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I more or less agree with the other poster who says that you sound a little too concerned with the disease aspect to really enjoy yourself.
AM
I would agree with posters who have responded to Asian Machine's question.
Recently, on PERB, which is an escort review board in Western Canada, the following article appeared. It was on the Health Nurse thread, a column written by a health care professional who works in one of the Vancouver free health clinics. Like anything you read on the Internet you should accept it at your own comfort level. For me, this is one thread that seems quite trustworthy.
Worried about HPV?
There have been a few recent posts in regard to the Human Papillomavirus (HPV). HPV can be difficult because there is still a lot we do not know about it and there appears to be many grey areas. HPV for the most part it is not a very serious medical condition.
I have noticed that there is a great deal of anxiety around HPV and I thought it would be worth while to talk about anxiety.
I chatted with one of our psychologists who has a lot of experience in sexual health. He was able to give me some insight from what he has seen in his clinical practice. Here is a summary of some of his comments.
Often when a person has a high degree of anxiety, about a lower risk sexual activity, it may be about their feelings of guilt and shame. The guilt/shame can cause people to worry about getting a “dreaded disease”. That worry may be out of proportion to the risk of getting an infection and the severity of that infection. People try to deal with this worry by searching for more information about the infection. The hope is that more information will make them feel better. If this is happening to you it may be more helpful to examine the guilt/shame.
Sometimes understanding what is causing anxiety is enough and you can deal with it on your own. But some people may find it beneficial to talk to a sex counsellor.
Here is a link to the actual thread: http://www.perb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?125916-Worried-about-HPV
I'm not downplaying the concern over HPV and STI's, nor am I'm saying that this is the case here, but it is just another thought.
Myr.
Asian Machine
03-11-10, 18:02
I would agree with posters who have responded to Asian Machine's question.Thanks to all of you for all the opinions and suggestions. Probably as Angus said I will have to determine my risk quotient and then take a call cause as someone said if i dont enjoy it then there's no point.
Will think it over and if I do make it to the FKK then will try and contribute by way of a report. BTW I have Oase on my mind.
Cheers !!
Will think it over and if I do make it to the FKK then will try and contribute by way of a report. BTW I have Oase on my mind.
Cheers !!
The whole point of these clubs, fom the male client perspective, is your enjoyment. The Ladies and the Club owners each have their own, very distinctive perspective. You should be going there for the fun. If you wish to make 'charitable contribitions' to these other two groups, just send the cash.
I too have Oase on my mind, which causes an involuntary reaction elsewhere!
I will be going to Oase, and elsewhere, during the latter half of April. If you decide to go, I would be pleased to help you with your visit.
Good Luck in what ever you decide. You must do what is right for You!
Mongering is a lonely hobby.
Myr. ;)
Mongering is a lonely hobby.
I find it to be quite the opposite - wherever I go there are plenty of charming ladies who wish to keep me company. But that may just be because of my looks and splendid personality. ;)
Unless, you stretch the condom beyond the balls to encase the whole body before going shopping.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YFC0O393DQ
Best Regards
Smuler
Candyman74
03-13-10, 07:35
Thanks again for the help.
just realized my mistake, meant to ask which clubs were more convenient for guests who spoke English only, or is sex the only true universal language.
CM
Hey CM,
Doubtful that there will be any problems regarding overt racism in any of the F'furt clubs.
Personally I'd recommend World or Oase for non-English speakers. Obviously non-English speakers can get by at Palace as well, but they tend to be bigger targets for the girls who scam and up-sell than the others.
Unless one speaks good Deutsch ;-))
Heavy guys do just as well as the non-heavy types provided their wallets are also heavy.
Just my two cents.
Cheers and have fun,
Dedalus
Next Wed their will be a big football match Barcelona vs FC Stuttgart,
Do you think we can watch the game in Living room or FKK World in particular.
Because this may affect which club I go on that day
Or is it better stay in hotel and go FKKs after the game?
Basketcase
03-14-10, 12:22
Some how I cannot make the connection between tossed Salads and Ass Mining. Is French dressing involved?
As someone previously posted, if someone is worried about an ear or throat infection, I would not suggest anus licking. Who know what else might be lurking down there? The Creature from the Brown Lagoon?
Suggest bringing some xtra Listerine. Or something stronger, perhaps rubbing alcohol or lighter fluid.
Personally, I will not be mining for Snickers. That's out of my league,
However, would hope to on the receiving end, with one of the fine gals starting at my perineum. And working downward.
My guess is that for a few extra euros. An all access backside pass can be awarded to the provider.
Will post my results in the Salad department.
Strato
Once past the early life conditioning that the anus is a dirty place, tossing salad and having one's salad tossed is a sublime and wondrous pleasure.
On the receiving end I am also an enthusiast. But this treat is a little more difficult to find. The girl has to be at least a little bit into you or just be conditioned to love to give pleasure. It is rare in P4P I find. Most girls will shy away from giving a proper ass licking and let's face it-who can blame them. Most of us hairy old dogs do not posses the smooth hairless variety of anus that is a pleasure to lick.
But...it is not unheard of. Trouble is that posting a list of girls that "do it" will probably be of little use. As I say, the girl has to be at least a little into you. It is very much a YMMV situation.
I myself have one Artemis girl who gets close when she is working on my cock. She will lick the perineum and feather the anus, not a full lick but enough to give great pleasure. But I would not divulge her identity to anyone but the most trusted pooner as I would not want to saddle her with mongers showing up and demanding the treatment.
AMI saw this thread and since I had some spare time I had a think of the girls that I have had this special rimming service from.
This is a list of the girls that I have come across or girls that I have researched on this forum that provides rimming service or “salad tossing”. I hope this helps some of the people including Strato, Angus Magee and even Basketcase!!
A lot of the girls seem to be located at Palace but then many girls have now moved on since the reports are so old.
*** Palace ***
1. Bianca from Romania 411624
2. Isabelle from Romania 680063
3. Laetitia 442491
4. Maria from Dominican Republic does a deep rim job 564341
5. Marina from Cuba 855279 and 852343
6. Natasha from Romania 847747 and 867709
7. Saskia from Russia 797824
8. Shayenne from Germany at Palace and Golden Time (last spotted 7 March 2010 at Golden Time). Charges extra.
9. Trip report with no names 649747
*** Oase ***
1. Dagmara from Poland would lick real close and flick the anus with due attention to the perineum
2.Daniela from Russia 336954 probably not around anymore
3. Hanna from Czech Republic at Oase
4. Ivana from Croatia 902038
5. Jamilla 876145
*** World ***
1. MILFy woman (?) I forget her name.
2. Ola from Bulgaria I have not seen Ola at World since the middle of 2009.
3. Xandra / Eva (?)671316
*** Golden Time ***
1. Antonia from Romania cost 25€ extra. She no longer works at Golden Time.
2. Shayenne from Germany at Palace and Golden Time (last spotted 7 March 2010 at Golden Time). Charges extra.
Weyfarere:
Thank you for providing this valuable information. I had been compiling my own list but you've including several that are new to my list.
I'm into the 6 week countdown before returning for a six night visit to the land of Good and Plenty. And have already started a daily regime of double doses of Vitamin E, spinach, multivitamins, bananas and of course, Mandrake Root so as to be fully prepared.
Thanks again.
Strato
I saw this thread and since I had some spare time I had a think of the girls that I have had this special rimming service from.
This is a list of the girls that I have come across or girls that I have researched on this forum that provides rimming service or “salad tossing”. I hope this helps some of the people including Strato, Angus Magee and even Basketcase!!
A lot of the girls seem to be located at Palace but then many girls have now moved on since the reports are so old.
*** Palace ***
1. Bianca from Romania 411624
2. Isabelle from Romania 680063
3. Laetitia 442491
4. Maria from Dominican Republic does a deep rim job 564341
5. Marina from Cuba 855279 and 852343
6. Natasha from Romania 847747 and 867709
7. Saskia from Russia 797824
8. Shayenne from Germany at Palace and Golden Time (last spotted 7 March 2010 at Golden Time). Charges extra.
9. Trip report with no names 649747
*** Oase ***
1. Dagmara from Poland would lick real close and flick the anus with due attention to the perineum
2.Daniela from Russia 336954 probably not around anymore
3. Hanna from Czech Republic at Oase
4. Ivana from Croatia 902038
5. Jamilla 876145
*** World ***
1. MILFy woman (?) I forget her name.
2. Ola from Bulgaria I have not seen Ola at World since the middle of 2009.
3. Xandra / Eva (?)671316
*** Golden Time ***
1. Antonia from Romania cost 25€ extra. She no longer works at Golden Time.
2. Shayenne from Germany at Palace and Golden Time (last spotted 7 March 2010 at Golden Time). Charges extra.
Vito Corleone
03-15-10, 07:03
Next Wed their will be a big football match Barcelona vs FC Stuttgart,
Do you think we can watch the game in Living room or FKK World in particular.
Because this may affect which club I go on that day
Or is it better stay in hotel and go FKKs after the game?
I do not remember if LR had a tv, but I know World will have the game on the huge flat screen located next to the bar downstairs.
I would bang a couple of babes first, then rest while watching the game.
Basketcase
03-15-10, 08:34
Weyfarere:
Thank you for providing this valuable information. I had been compiling my own list but you've including several that are new to my list.
I'm into the 6 week countdown before returning for a six night visit to the land of Good and Plenty. And have already started a daily regime of double doses of Vitamin E, spinach, multivitamins, bananas and of course, Mandrake Root so as to be fully prepared.Hey Strato,
Good work with the preparations for getting your ass licked like an ice cream cone melting under a hot sun while at the beach. I think the rimming service on men is not really talked about. I know Wan King and Plover 23 like licking girls' asses.
I am sure there are many other girls that do the rimming service but like many reports that are promised they are not written up. Then many men who do write may not even mention that this service is available. You do see this sex act more and more in porno movies. I first see it in Rocco Siffredi videos and now I see real pretty model type girls in Digital Playground and even Vivid movies do it too.
So you are going to live the fantasy in the FKKs and find a girl that you fancy that will do it or will you use the list?
It does seem that most of the girls reported on work at Palace.
I saw this thread and since I had some spare time I had a think of the girls that I have had this special rimming service from.
This is a list of the girls that I have come across or girls that I have researched on this forum that provides rimming service or “salad tossing”. I hope this helps some of the people including Strato, Angus Magee and even Basketcase!!
A lot of the girls seem to be located at Palace but then many girls have now moved on since the reports are so old.
*** Palace ***
1. Bianca from Romania 411624
2. Isabelle from Romania 680063
3. Laetitia 442491
4. Maria from Dominican Republic does a deep rim job 564341
5. Marina from Cuba 855279 and 852343
6. Natasha from Romania 847747 and 867709
7. Saskia from Russia 797824
8. Shayenne from Germany at Palace and Golden Time (last spotted 7 March 2010 at Golden Time). Charges extra.
9. Trip report with no names 649747
*** Oase ***
1. Dagmara from Poland would lick real close and flick the anus with due attention to the perineum
2.Daniela from Russia 336954 probably not around anymore
3. Hanna from Czech Republic at Oase
4. Ivana from Croatia 902038
5. Jamilla 876145
*** World ***
1. MILFy woman (?) I forget her name.
2. Ola from Bulgaria I have not seen Ola at World since the middle of 2009.
3. Xandra / Eva (?)671316
*** Golden Time ***
1. Antonia from Romania cost 25€ extra. She no longer works at Golden Time.
2. Shayenne from Germany at Palace and Golden Time (last spotted 7 March 2010 at Golden Time). Charges extra.
Excellent quality info. Many thanks. In return, here is a list that I recommend not to have DFK with:
*** Palace ***
1. Bianca from Romania 411624
2. Isabelle from Romania 680063
3. Laetitia 442491
4. Maria from Dominican Republic does a deep rim job 564341
5. Marina from Cuba 855279 and 852343
6. Natasha from Romania 847747 and 867709
7. Saskia from Russia 797824
8. Shayenne from Germany at Palace and Golden Time (last spotted 7 March 2010 at Golden Time). Charges extra.
9. Trip report with no names 649747
*** Oase ***
1. Dagmara from Poland would lick real close and flick the anus with due attention to the perineum
2.Daniela from Russia 336954 probably not around anymore
3. Hanna from Czech Republic at Oase
4. Ivana from Croatia 902038
5. Jamilla 876145
*** World ***
1. MILFy woman (?) I forget her name.
2. Ola from Bulgaria I have not seen Ola at World since the middle of 2009.
3. Xandra / Eva (?)671316
*** Golden Time ***
1. Antonia from Romania cost 25€ extra. She no longer works at Golden Time.
2. Shayenne from Germany at Palace and Golden Time (last spotted 7 March 2010 at Golden Time).
Excellent quality info. Many thanks. In return, here is a list that I recommend not to have DFK with<snip>
Squeemish eh? Remind me of telling you the story of Stinky next time we meet.
Angus Magee
03-15-10, 19:35
Excellent quality info. Many thanks. In return, here is a list that I recommend not to have DFK with:.
Yes good info to have Mike,but let us be clear-a rim job is quite different from having one's salad tossed. The rim job refers to when the lady flicks her tongue on & around the anus and perineum of her partner. Tossing the Salad refers to the actual insertion of the tongue up the anus of the tossee. And as I think I mentioned before (thus,at the time, ending the discussion) the entomology of the slang phrase "tossing salad" is as a practice between male inmates in the US prison system. This image(Bubba smiling his toothless smile and bending over as you enter the cell your first day...), I am sure, is enough to put any one of us here off their tossed salad for at least the immediate future;-))
AM
Squeemish eh? Remind me of telling you the story of Stinky next time we meet.
You told me already :\
Yes good info to have Mike,but let us be clear-a rim job is quite different from having one's salad tossed. The rim job refers to when the lady flicks her tongue on & around the anus and perineum of her partner. Tossing the Salad refers to the actual insertion of the tongue up the anus of the tossee. And as I think I mentioned before (thus,at the time, ending the discussion) the entomology of the slang phrase "tossing salad" is as a practice between male inmates in the US prison system. This image(Bubba smiling his toothless smile and bending over as you enter the cell your first day...), I am sure, is enough to put any one of us here off their tossed salad for at least the immediate future;-))
AM
And they worry about jumping in the pool after the sauna.
Squeemish eh? Remind me of telling you the story of Stinky next time we meet.
Ah! Those were the days! BTW, there are more stories than the one he told you, I'm sure. Hope you have an airsick-bag close by.
cheers,
Dedalus, who STILL remembers the smell of Nasty Nadine on Mikey's hand. Man, was THAT rugged!
Weyfarere:
Again, appreciate your info and also a thank you to Mike for updated info.
Maybe now BC can release his private list? (Smily face)
Perhaps there should be a new Sub-Forum on this topic.
Personally, I'm not an "A" Lick'er. But have enjoyed being. On the other end. (so to speak). A Lick'ee.
Howeve,. To each his own. Let the music play.!.
Yup, returning to the promised land. 5 weeks. The countdown phase is ticking. Have now started my special FKK fitness and vitamin program
(serious)
The week before liftoff, I 'll triple my vitamin intake. Just to be ready.
I have used much info from the list over a period of many years, re: lady selection, specialty info, insider tips, how to, public trans, hotel info, links. Etc. Etc.
Don't leave home without it. The Frommers' of FKK!
Why not? I. E. Utilize the tried, tested and proven!
However, most certainly I plan to try a Wild card or two. See which way the Wang Dang Doodle Meter points to. Then check to see which way the wind is blowing and then finally check my stock of Wampum.
Excuse me, being called for my next shot of Vitamin E.
See you there.
Strato
Hey Strato,
Good work with the preparations for getting your ass licked like an ice cream cone melting under a hot sun while at the beach. I think the rimming service on men is not really talked about. I know Wan King and Plover 23 like licking girls' asses.
I am sure there are many other girls that do the rimming service but like many reports that are promised they are not written up. Then many men who do write may not even mention that this service is available. You do see this sex act more and more in porno movies. I first see it in Rocco Siffredi videos and now I see real pretty model type girls in Digital Playground and even Vivid movies do it too.
So you are going to live the fantasy in the FKKs and find a girl that you fancy that will do it or will you use the list?
It does seem that most of the girls reported on work at Palace.
Basketcase
03-15-10, 20:52
Excellent quality info. Many thanks. In return, here is a list that I recommend not to have DFK withHey Mike De H,
LOL.
Ah! Those were the days! BTW, there are more stories than the one he told you, I'm sure. Hope you have an airsick-bag close by.
cheers,
Dedalus, who STILL remembers the smell of Nasty Nadine on Mikey's hand. Man, was THAT rugged!
Do you remember our friend Fusco going with the girl with the stalker? Then as he went into the room with the young lady, being asked by the stalker to come on her face, then he wanted to go into the room right afterwards and have her whilst her mouth was still jizzed up, and he would settle the bill?
As I remember, they told him to get lost, then Fusco said... "Wait, he's going to settle my Bil???"
Or the guy who wanted a girl to suck his cock whilst he fucked her, then his mouth started getting nearer and nearer..........
Do you remember our friend Fusco going with the girl with the stalker? Then as he went into the room with the young lady, being asked by the stalker to come on her face, then he wanted to go into the room right afterwards and have her whilst her mouth was still jizzed up, and he would settle the bill?
As I remember, they told him to get lost, then Fusco said... "Wait, he's going to settle my Bil???"
Or the guy who wanted a girl to suck his cock whilst he fucked her, then his mouth started getting nearer and nearer..........
Hey Mikey,
Trust me when I tell you that the stories are getting goofier and and more bent by the day. We've really gone round the bend on a few journeys.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Traveling Gent
03-16-10, 23:00
Thank you to all that have responded to my initial query. Your responses have been most helpful in guiding me towards preparation and planning. I have read many posts now from the FAQ, General Info, Reports of Distinction and a few specific FKK forums.
In my reading I'm drawn to Oase near Frankfurt and Golden Time in NWR, but there are others as well; it's hard to know which will more likely be a better experience.
I've noted that indoor tobacco smoke is mentioned as a problem in some posts and I would like to know which of the major FKK is better in terms of LESS indoor tobacco smoke. I don't mind a little tobacco smoke indoors but when it gets heavy this becomes a problem for me.
I know that several FKK have outdoor areas and I'll be visiting over a weekend in late April; what I don't know is if these outdoor areas will be warm enough to spend time outside or not or if the management will have these areas open for socializing.
Thanks again for continued guidance.
In my reading I'm drawn to Oase near Frankfurt and Golden Time in NWR, but there are others as well; it's hard to know which will more likely be a better experience.
The bad news for you is that it's really bad at Oase. I'm really only familiar with World and Oase. World has considerably more smoke free territory. In almost all the clubs, the main meeting room is a smoking area. World, however, has higher ceilings (certainly) and possibly a better smoke removal system than Oase. The main gathering hall at Oase can be pretty stifling.
I can also mention Bernd's, a small club with small rooms and low ceilings. The smoke there is pretty awful.
Another smaller club, Finca, limits smoking to one confined area.
The simple fact is that better than 90% of the girls smoke and a high percentage of them are chain smokers.
Travelerb69
03-17-10, 15:31
I've noted that indoor tobacco smoke is mentioned as a problem in some posts and I would like to know which of the major FKK is better in terms of LESS indoor tobacco smoke. I don't mind a little tobacco smoke indoors but when it gets heavy this becomes a problem for me.
I know that several FKK have outdoor areas and I'll be visiting over a weekend in late April; what I don't know is if these outdoor areas will be warm enough to spend time outside or not or if the management will have these areas open for socializing.
Thanks again for continued guidance.
During late April the weather should be fine, warm enough; clubs that have outdoor areas should have it open, so you would not have a problem with smoke. Clubs like Oase, World, Finca, PHG, LR, Acapulco and GT all have outdoor areas and will be ok. In the winter smoke can be a serious problem in GT and Oase. FKK World is so big that even on winter time smoke is never an issue. FKK 39 has no outdoor facilities but is big enough, no problem. Bernds on the other hand is so small that it does not really matter if you go there in summer or winter time. However most clubs like Oase, Bernds have areas in which smoking is not allowed. Samya does have a tobacco smoke problem as well, they have a small outdoor area but it is covered, so it works almost as an indoor one.
Summit: if that really bothers you, avoid Bernds and Samya anytime and GT and Oase during winter time, not the case late April.
Vito Corleone
03-18-10, 06:35
I've noted that indoor tobacco smoke is mentioned as a problem in some posts and I would like to know which of the major FKK is better in terms of LESS indoor tobacco smoke. I don't mind a little tobacco smoke indoors but when it gets heavy this becomes a problem for me.
Palace is the best choice. There are 2 smoking rooms & the main room is smoke free.
Eric Cartman
03-18-10, 07:26
Duesseldorf: GoldenTime: Probably best/most vast selection of young girls
Living Room: Easy to reach, again top selection of young girls
PHG: Challenge to reach, but great club with nice line-up
Does PHG have its own thread? I swear I looked in the Forum index and can't find it -- just offhand references to it like this, nothing more. Help?
Does PHG have its own thread? I swear I looked in the Forum index and can't find it -- just offhand references to it like this, nothing more. Help?It's there, in the FKK section of course: Sauna Club Planet Happy Garden - Oedt
Just returned from my 3rd, 2 week trip to FKK and Saunaland. Like the world we live in the times are a changing in Germany. Attendance by the men seemed to be down in all the clubs I attended except for GT. It seems the world wide recession has finally hit Europe hard, but as an Icebear friend pointed out there is also a number of new clubs.
This trip was the Best for me in almost every way from the tourist aspect to the service from the ladies. Had a number of Firsts. I had not one but 2 Routard type GFE experiences! One of them with the most beautiful girl I have seem in Germany. Had the most perfect blowjob ever experienced in my life. Sessioned with 1 provider 3 times in 2 days.
Also had some bad Firsts. Went to a club and stayed only 2 hours and did not have 1 session. Visited 2 new clubs and did not like them. I guess now that I am Experienced I am getting more picky.
The last nite went to an Icebear Birthday party and had the best time and made a few new friends.
Over all the Best trip ever to Germany. I will write about the individual clubs in their separate areas.
Eric Cartman
03-26-10, 06:41
Gents -
Thanks to the good advice and reports, Cartman and my colleague Churro Man have decided to spend our July week of vacation exploring some FKKs instead of returning to Brazil. Which means there's a Cartman Report (tm) in the future, for sure.
I am combing through threads here trying to find pertinent info. What occurs to me is that several of the FKKs have outdoor smoking areas and that, it being Germany and all, I might plonk down some Euros for Fidel's finest stogies.
Can anyone suggest some places to find non-crazy-priced Cuban stogies in / around Frankfurt, Cologne, Dusseldorf etc.?
Thanks!
-Cartman
Gents -
Thanks to the good advice and reports, Cartman and my colleague Churro Man have decided to spend our July week of vacation exploring some FKKs instead of returning to Brazil. Which means there's a Cartman Report (tm) in the future, for sure.
I am combing through threads here trying to find pertinent info. What occurs to me is that several of the FKKs have outdoor smoking areas and that, it being Germany and all, I might plonk down some Euros for Fidel's finest stogies.
Can anyone suggest some places to find non-crazy-priced Cuban stogies in / around Frankfurt, Cologne, Dusseldorf etc.?
Thanks!
-Cartman
Hey,
In general Cuban smokes aren't that expensive in D'land. Not dirt cheap by any mean, but certainly affordable. In Switzerland where tobacco taxes are less, cigars are a great deal.
Nearly all small tobacco shops will probably have some smokes and all three of those towns have some larger shops with humidors. The more upscale, usually the higher the price.
Weider Friedrich is a small shop close to the train station in Frankfurt. Not a great selection but he'll have some decent smokes.
Zigarrenhaus Günther on the Schleiermacherstraße is a good, down home place with a solid selection and decent prices.
Tabakhaus Büttner might be one of the better places in Frankfurt. Solid selection and a very nice humidor. Worth a visit.
I don't know D#dorf and Köln that well as far as the smoke scene, but you might check out this site:
http://www.zigarren-datenbank.de/include.php?path=content/content.php&contentid=42
Have fun and cheers,
Dedalus, ex stogie freak
Eric Cartman
03-28-10, 03:36
Hey,
In general Cuban smokes aren't that expensive in D'land. Not dirt cheap by any mean, but certainly affordable. In Switzerland where tobacco taxes are less, cigars are a great deal.
Nearly all small tobacco shops will probably have some smokes and all three of those towns have some larger shops with humidors. The more upscale, usually the higher the price.
Weider Friedrich is a small shop close to the train station in Frankfurt. Not a great selection but he'll have some decent smokes.
Zigarrenhaus Günther on the Schleiermacherstraße is a good, down home place with a solid selection and decent prices.
Tabakhaus Büttner might be one of the better places in Frankfurt. Solid selection and a very nice humidor. Worth a visit.
I don't know D#dorf and Köln that well as far as the smoke scene, but you might check out this site:
http://www.zigarren-datenbank.de/include.php?path=content/content.php&contentid=42
Have fun and cheers,
Dedalus, ex stogie freak
Thanks Dedalus!!
My client/friend is flying back into Frankfurt 3/30 for a one night stop over again and asked which clubs would have the best opportunity on a wednesday. In general,, I would guess that the following is true:
Palace -closer to center,,higher chances of a good line-up 30e taxi (rt) plus 20 min travel
Oase- Always steady but may be so-so wednesday, 70e (rt) taxi plus 2 hrs travel time
World -Hit and miss mid-week,,2-3 hrs taxi plus 100e taxi (rt)
Any current intel would be appreciated,,
Thanks in advance
Palace -closer to center,,higher chances of a good line-up 30e taxi (rt) plus 20 min travel
Oase- Always steady but may be so-so wednesday, 70e (rt) taxi plus 2 hrs travel time
World -Hit and miss mid-week,,2-3 hrs taxi plus 100e taxi (rt)
On the other hand:
Palace - Much greater likelihood of mediocre service.
Oase - You're overestimating the travel time by 100%. Figure 30 minutes each way. I don't know about the taxi fares, but if he's will to invest 2 hrs. round trip, he can use public transport.
World - Again, you're overestimating the travel time. Figure 45-50 minutes each way.
Palace - Much greater likelihood of mediocre service.
Rubbish! Likely mediocre service if YOU make mediocre choices. The same could happen in any club. Employ proper selection strategy and you will have great results at Palace...btw: probably the best-looking line-up on steady basis in FFM right now! The negative of Palace on a Weds: Dessous BS night, etc...but if he visits on a Tues night 3/30...
Oase - Tues nights at Oase could be great...or disappointing. Weds at Oase: I love Weds nights! Double six night to boot...
World - Tell him it's too much trouble to get there and back, without a hired car. Tues is Dessous there, but both Tues and Weds you can get reduced "3 enter 2 pay" entry deal. Generally, this place is best on Thurs - Sat nights...
O
I always overestimate the travel time due to "force majore"..forces of nature. Tuesday day/evening is the timeframe so I will recommend Oase or Palace. For something different,, I told him Oase,,Palace was his first Fkk experience last week and he really had fun,,3 sessions in 5 hrs. He is used to American women so even the Frankfurt RLD would impress him.
Thanks
I checked the Messe schedule ( http://frankfurt-interaktiv.de/frankfurt/veranstaltungen/messetermine_1.html ) and there is nothing for that period.
When I was there last year Oase had a 'deal' to Frankfurt if you used their 'cabs' of 44 €. Don't know if that still applies.
Travel time via pub. transit was about 30 - 45 min. If you take public transit, the last train to Frank. left Friedricksdorf at 8 minutes past midnight. I haven't checked the timetable yet for this year.
Taxi from Palace to Hauptbahnhof was about 16 €, last spring.
Ladies were somewhat more 'aggressive' at Oase, which I liked, as long as you are prepared to stand your ground.
Just IMHO.
Myr.
will there be a decent line up in the clubs in Easter weekend?
will there be a decent line up in the clubs in Easter weekend?
Probably the 3rd most FAQ on the board, I would estimate. A hot topic for sure. If you want to read volumes of answers, search this question using the built-in mechanism and you can read a variety of answers. But the truth:
Nobody really knows what the line-up and any given day will be like until it happens. It's like the weather: You can forcast it based on likely variables and factors, but in the end it might indeed rain on you "forcasted" sunny picnic day. Same with FKKs: Just make you plans and go and see: Maybe you will be excited. Probably there will be some negative impact, esp as this year Easter is the same day for Orthodox (lots of eastern European girls!) and other Christian flavours. But you never know: maybe this year, given the time of great economic needs, the line-ups will be better than expected? But, will there be hoards of local German men on this family-orientated holiday? Hmmm
Who the fuck knows, until it happens...?
O
P.S. Oh, almost forgot: A small piece of advice: In the future, I would strongly suggest you do NOT post the same question in every possible thread in this section. If you can't figure out why, I'd be happy to explain it to you...but it is obnoxiously redundant, not to mention completely unnecessary...wouldn't you agree?
Ortos,
I was trying to get people's experiences from last Easter holidays. I simply posted on all the clubs I ll visit when visiting Germany as I'm looking for experiences that could be different from one club to another. In my experiance, different provinces can have different Easter habbits. Some cities it will be business as usual while others, it will be a homely-family time and even basic shopping is closed.
Furthermore, the clock is ticking and very few tickets are available from where I'm living to Germany, so desperate for info.
Eric Cartman
04-04-10, 19:04
Gents --
Sorry to cross-post but my other posting appears to have fallen a bit off the face of the earth, so I thought I would try again.
Throwing myself one again on your tender mercies for information ... We are nearly done outlining our schedule for an early July week in FKK land. I have been searching various FKK club threads for hotel info, but it is slow going.
It looks like our trip will entail 1-2 days around Frankfurt (Oase, World), maybe 1-3 days around Koln / Bonn (Samya, Bernd's, maybe Finca), and 1-3 days around Dusseldorf (GT, PHG, LR).
We will rent a car / GPS for the duration. So I'm looking for tips on reasonably nice hotels (Mercure - level) that won't cost a ridiculous amount per person ($100-$125USD/night = 40-50 Euro?), and are reasonably located for the FKKs as well as potential mainstream tourism trips to the cities / sites. Free parking and internet would be great.
Car rental tips also graciously appreciated.
Looking online, it appears there are a number of Mercure/Novotels spread between FRA and DUS. My thoughts right now are to find one outside FRA city-center for 2 nights, then probably one near Bonn for 2-3 nights (to be "central" for Cologne/Samya, Bernd's, and Finca), and one outside on West of DUS for 2-3 nights (GT, PHG, LR). Rates look around $100USD/night in general. Doesn't look like free WiFi though. Not sure about parking.
Thanks in advance for any help.
-Cartman
We are nearly done outlining our schedule for an early July week in FKK land. I have been searching various FKK club threads for hotel info, but it is slow going.
. So I'm looking for tips on reasonably nice hotels (Mercure - level) that won't cost a ridiculous amount per person ($100-$125USD/night = 40-50 Euro?),
Hi Cartman,
Sounds like a well researched plan. You are pessimistic on exchange rate so you should have more session money. $100 = €75.
I wont make any detailed suggestions because you're close enough to a good plan that you are better off enjoying making you're own decisions.
Have fun,
PL
Car rental tips also graciously appreciated.
You don't say how many of you there are. If no more than two, sixti.de is certainly going to be your least expensive car rental option.
Also note that the Mercure hotels often offer a generous discount for pre-booked, pre-paid rooms.
Eric Cartman
04-05-10, 07:25
You don't say how many of you there are. If no more than two, sixti.de is certainly going to be your least expensive car rental option.
Also note that the Mercure hotels often offer a generous discount for pre-booked, pre-paid rooms.
Thanks. There will be 2 of us, each getting his own room.
Thanks for the tip on sixti.de, I will check it out.
I generally just get a 30 day pass from T-Mobile and sign up the first time I am in a Tank and Rast stop or someplace that is a T-mobile hotspot (most McDonald's for instance). For 30 euro, I don't have to worry about any more charges for the most part. Even if my stay is less than 30 days, this has proven to be the best deal for me.
The other choice is the 1 hour per day free at McDonalds. . . . but their filter prevents you from reading a posting like this, for instance!
Mark
I usually stay in Etap Hotels when in cruise with wheels in Germany. In all Etap Hotels, wireless internet is free of charge in the rooms.
My other tip is much more convenient. I have a pre-paid blau.de SIM card, bought in Germany, via a German resident relative of mine (but maybe, I could also buy it from Saturn or MediaMarkt). I rarely load 15 Euro of credit, which allows me to browse (with a smart phone) and make calls in Germany, for at least four or five trips.
I hope it helps
C2
Angus Magee
04-05-10, 10:34
This website can come in handy when on the road.
http://www.hotspot-locations.com/
Of course you have to find an available open network to use it or plan ahead.
I am heading home to the backwoods. Rural south. Everyone knows your name and your business. What is a not-dead-yet,too-young-to-be-a-widower to do? I have enjoyed my adventures in the few off hours I had during 18-hour workdays for more than a week. But now I am sitting in the Admiral's Club (unlike the US, all liquor and beer and food is free), wondering about the next trip, or what could have been on this one.
In the US we have nothing to compare to FKK or PT, but we do have escorts that want and expect per hour fees. Some are young and clean and wonderful, but they just don't get as much business as you would think. I have been able to find some wonderful girls who crosslist with strong hints on "casual encounters" on Craigslist who are willing to "do the math" and realize that spending a couple of days with me at a beach or mountain get-away rather than a meager succession of questionable mongers could be as profitable and more pleasurable.
Do anyone have any sense if some of the girls at the smaller FKK where there just isn't that much monger traffic would be willing to "do the math" and realize that instead of only 3 or 4 sessions per day and sitting around all day waiting, they could make as much or more by hooking up with a monger outside the club? I can easily see an extended 2 or 3 or 4 day holiday at say, 200 euro/day (about what I ended up spending) with a girl and having an extended GFE time of it?
I can think of several of the girls from Point or Nicole from N&D who complained about the lack of punters coming in, but I didn't think to offer the alternative.
Has anyone ever succeeded in arranging outside-the-club rendezvous? What were your experiences? Have any of you tried the "services" where they offer a day or several with the same girl? What did you think?
I wish I had more sense to at least try to get the contact info for some of the girls. Don't bother with just suggesting RTFF as I have searched and just not found the kind of experience (if you do suggest RTFF, please tell me the appropriate search term).
I am heading home to the backwoods. Rural south. Everyone knows your name and your business. What is a not-dead-yet,too-young-to-be-a-widower to do? I have enjoyed my adventures in the few off hours I had during 18-hour workdays for more than a week. But now I am sitting in the Admiral's Club (unlike the US, all liquor and beer and food is free), wondering about the next trip, or what could have been on this one.
In the US we have nothing to compare to FKK or PT, but we do have escorts that want and expect per hour fees. Some are young and clean and wonderful, but they just don't get as much business as you would think. I have been able to find some wonderful girls who crosslist with strong hints on "casual encounters" on Craigslist who are willing to "do the math" and realize that spending a couple of days with me at a beach or mountain get-away rather than a meager succession of questionable mongers could be as profitable and more pleasurable.
Do anyone have any sense if some of the girls at the smaller FKK where there just isn't that much monger traffic would be willing to "do the math" and realize that instead of only 3 or 4 sessions per day and sitting around all day waiting, they could make as much or more by hooking up with a monger outside the club? I can easily see an extended 2 or 3 or 4 day holiday at say, 200 euro/day (about what I ended up spending) with a girl and having an extended GFE time of it?
I can think of several of the girls from Point or Nicole from N&D who complained about the lack of punters coming in, but I didn't think to offer the alternative.
Has anyone ever succeeded in arranging outside-the-club rendezvous? What were your experiences? Have any of you tried the "services" where they offer a day or several with the same girl? What did you think?
I wish I had more sense to at least try to get the contact info for some of the girls. Don't bother with just suggesting RTFF as I have searched and just not found the kind of experience (if you do suggest RTFF, please tell me the appropriate search term).
Hey Mark,
There others who know firsthand much more about this than I do. But I can say that for the right price the right girl will take a leap with the right guy.
Logistics are the kerfuffle. Probably the ones who would come cheaper would be the Romanian/Bulgarian crowd and getting the Visa for them to travel to the US, while not impossible, will be somewhat involved. Again, there are others here who have more experience and can tell you more about this than I can.
Girls who have German passports make this option easier. I know several who have done this and I hope that you will forgive me, but I’m going to keep those names off the public boards. The principle reason being that they don’t want everyone to know this is an option and some clubs and girls frown heavily on girls who do this. Also, if you have a spark with a girl, then that will always be your best bet in this regard rather than looking for other monger’s “outcalls.” A good number of my regulars have made it clear to me that they do private escorting. This can be taken as a BIG hint for me, but not necessarily for others who they do not know so well.
Mark, if you have a fav who you have a good relationship with, then you might just come out and ask her. She’ll probably feel more comfy doing this with someone she “knows” rather than a first-time guest.
As to price, I could really only guess. I’ve heard all night possibilities that range from 500 to 2000 and up. Too wide a berth to give any accurate figures. I know one girl who went with a regular to a number of exotic vacation stops and cashed in pretty well for her company. I’m sure that the whole deal is negotiable, but obviously all expenses are would be on you.
Personally I’ve rarely met a girl in the clubs that I would want to spend so many hours outside the club with. That’s not necessarily a knock on the girl, but on me. I go to FKKs for the variety and for the immediate finiteness of these “relationships.” I get along with nearly all these girls, but I’ve met very few that I want to see the morning after. Others may have different needs or a different take. Fair enough.
Long way around to saying that, it is certainly doable and no strict standard conditions apply.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hey Mark,
There others who know firsthand much more about this than I do. But I can say that for the right price the right girl will take a leap with the right guy.
Logistics are the kerfuffle. Probably the ones who would come cheaper would be the Romanian/Bulgarian crowd and getting the Visa for them to travel to the US, while not impossible, will be somewhat involved. Again, there are others here who have more experience and can tell you more about this than I can.
Girls who have German passports make this option easier. I know several who have done this and I hope that you will forgive me, but I’m going to keep those names off the public boards. The principle reason being that they don’t want everyone to know this is an option and some clubs and girls frown heavily on girls who do this. Also, if you have a spark with a girl, then that will always be your best bet in this regard rather than looking for other monger’s “outcalls.” A good number of my regulars have made it clear to me that they do private escorting. This can be taken as a BIG hint for me, but not necessarily for others who they do not know so well.
Mark, if you have a fav who you have a good relationship with, then you might just come out and ask her. She’ll probably feel more comfy doing this with someone she “knows” rather than a first-time guest.
As to price, I could really only guess. I’ve heard all night possibilities that range from 500 to 2000 and up. Too wide a berth to give any accurate figures. I know one girl who went with a regular to a number of exotic vacation stops and cashed in pretty well for her company. I’m sure that the whole deal is negotiable, but obviously all expenses are would be on you.
Personally I’ve rarely met a girl in the clubs that I would want to spend so many hours outside the club with. That’s not necessarily a knock on the girl, but on me. I go to FKKs for the variety and for the immediate finiteness of these “relationships.” I get along with nearly all these girls, but I’ve met very few that I want to see the morning after. Others may have different needs or a different take. Fair enough.
Long way around to saying that, it is certainly doable and no strict standard conditions apply.
Cheers,
Dedalus
My idea would not to have the girl come to the US (way too expensive and that would be a very serious violation of federal law on many counts!!!) but to simply meet here here on one of my trips to Germany. She would be here "already" and would simply not work at the club the days she would be with me. . . . I have met some cuties I wouldn't mind spending more time with, that is, without it being a relationship. My only financial goal for them is that they would do better than just sitting around doing nothing and servicing no one at a small club. If a girl is getting 400-100 a day, it's out of my range. If a girl is barely making 100-200, maybe I am not such an unattractive alternative!
Maybe next time I'll see what I can do to get some contact info from the one or two I had in mind.
it may be months or a year before I get back. Not enough work for me anymore here to justify coming over, and not enough work to make enough money for me to come over on my own. . .alas.
Thanks for the info! I'll let you know if anything happens.
Has anyone ever succeeded in arranging outside-the-club rendezvous? What were your experiences? Have any of you tried the "services" where they offer a day or several with the same girl? What did you think?
I've done this several times and it has worked out quite well, though in each case my traveling companion was an English speaking escort from Montreal. (We traveled three times: San Francisco, Louisville (a business trip for me) and Vancouver Island.) There are a few rules of thumb that I'd suggest before even considering such a venture.
1. She must be someone you've spent enough time with and whose company you've enjoyed (and vice versa) beyond the sex. If you're going to spend several days with this young woman, you're both going to get quite bored if you don't enjoy each other's presence.
2. How much she's going to ask for the trip depends on how she views the trip. I know one Montreal woman who charged $10K for a week in Mexico with a client and reported that it wasn't worth it as she never left the bedroom. And I have a friend who traveled with a woman to the Caribbean and she charged nothing, knowing the client well enough to know she'd have a good time. Her expenses were all paid, of course, by my friend; she charged nothing because she simply viewed it as a vacation with a guy she liked.
The better you know your traveling companion and whether she views it as work or vacation will have a great bearing on how much she charges.
I'm currently in discussion with a girl from one of the FKKs about a few day jaunt on my next trip over. We haven't discussed her "rate," but my hope is that she'll view it as a vacation and will charge accordingly. I'm already looking at plane fare, hotel, meals, and surely some shopping, so how much, if anything, she'll want beyond that will dictate whether or not I go ahead with this trip. (If she wants €200 per day or less, she sees it as vacation and we're on. If she asks €500, well, it's work and I'll bail.) We've enjoyed many hours together in the club, both in and out of the Zimmer, and my hope is that she'll view it as a bit of a vacation.
On a trip of this sort, while there will be more than enough time testing out the bedsprings, 80% of your waking hours will be spent about the city, so you have to be prepared to engage in other activities.
One final note, on all of my trips, she led, I followed. She wanted to go for a bike ride in Golden Gate Park, and so we did. She wanted to go on a whale watching trip off the coast of Vancouver Island, as so we did. We fucked on her schedule, and there was certainly quite enough of that.
Hope this helps.
2. How much she's going to ask for the trip depends on how she views the trip. I know one Montreal woman who charged $10K for a week in Mexico with a client and reported that it wasn't worth it as she never left the bedroom. And I have a friend who traveled with a woman to the Caribbean and she charged nothing, knowing the client well enough to know she'd have a good time. Her expenses were all paid, of course, by my friend; she charged nothing because she simply viewed it as a vacation with a guy she liked.
I'm currently in discussion with a girl from one of the FKKs about a few day jaunt on my next trip over. We haven't discussed her "rate," but my hope is that she'll view it as a vacation and will charge accordingly. I'm already looking at plane fare, hotel, meals, and surely some shopping, so how much, if anything, she'll want beyond that will dictate whether or not I go ahead with this trip. (If she wants €200 per day or less, she sees it as vacation and we're on. If she asks €500, well, it's work and I'll bail.) We've enjoyed many hours together in the club, both in and out of the Zimmer, and my hope is that she'll view it as a bit of a vacation.
One final note, on all of my trips, she led, I followed. She wanted to go for a bike ride in Golden Gate Park, and so we did. She wanted to go on a whale watching trip off the coast of Vancouver Island, as so we did. We fucked on her schedule, and there was certainly quite enough of that.
Hope this helps.
Who was it who said, "Good girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere."?
Mae West, I think.
Have fun,
Dedalus
Thanks, Regnad, you have already given me some good ideas.
Mark
I've done this several times and it has worked out quite well, though in each case my traveling companion was an English speaking escort from Montreal. (We traveled three times: San Francisco, Louisville (a business trip for me) and Vancouver Island.) There are a few rules of thumb that I'd suggest before even considering such a venture.
1. She must be someone you've spent enough time with and whose company you've enjoyed (and vice versa) beyond the sex. If you're going to spend several days with this young woman, you're both going to get quite bored if you don't enjoy each other's presence.
2. How much she's going to ask for the trip depends on how she views the trip. I know one Montreal woman who charged $10K for a week in Mexico with a client and reported that it wasn't worth it as she never left the bedroom. And I have a friend who traveled with a woman to the Caribbean and she charged nothing, knowing the client well enough to know she'd have a good time. Her expenses were all paid, of course, by my friend; she charged nothing because she simply viewed it as a vacation with a guy she liked.
The better you know your traveling companion and whether she views it as work or vacation will have a great bearing on how much she charges.
I'm currently in discussion with a girl from one of the FKKs about a few day jaunt on my next trip over. We haven't discussed her "rate," but my hope is that she'll view it as a vacation and will charge accordingly. I'm already looking at plane fare, hotel, meals, and surely some shopping, so how much, if anything, she'll want beyond that will dictate whether or not I go ahead with this trip. (If she wants €200 per day or less, she sees it as vacation and we're on. If she asks €500, well, it's work and I'll bail.) We've enjoyed many hours together in the club, both in and out of the Zimmer, and my hope is that she'll view it as a bit of a vacation.
On a trip of this sort, while there will be more than enough time testing out the bedsprings, 80% of your waking hours will be spent about the city, so you have to be prepared to engage in other activities.
One final note, on all of my trips, she led, I followed. She wanted to go for a bike ride in Golden Gate Park, and so we did. She wanted to go on a whale watching trip off the coast of Vancouver Island, as so we did. We fucked on her schedule, and there was certainly quite enough of that.
Hope this helps.
If a girl likes being with you and wants to cultivate you as a regular, she'll agree to the vacation rate. An exotic location and the time of year will be a factor. Most girls expect to be paid well and 500E/day is typically the starting rate. Girls may earn less in the club, but they always think there is a possiblity of more. Plus, a girl has control over safety and time she spends with you. Outside the club, she is much more vulnerable. The downside to extended outcall is that it is very hard to control the expenses. You may end up going on a very expensive shopping spree just to satisfy your ego of having arm candy. With the club, you are more in control. You can't really refuse to pay is a girl gets moody just because you did not buy her the presents she wants. Plus, do not forget that time together is just an illusion. She is not and will not be your girlfriend. It is a relationship of convenience. That is why I don't favor the extended outcall. Paying for sex is one thing; paying for the illusion of affection is another.
An exotic location and the time of year will be a factor. Most girls expect to be paid well and 500E/day is typically the starting rate.
All things are variable. If it's strictly a work thing, you're probably right about the €500 and up. If she sees herself having fun and sees you as someone she will have fun with, it can be considerably less. I'm not suggesting that she sees you as a boyfriend, simply someone whose company she enjoys and is willing to pay for a vacation in an exotic location. I've known guys who have taken girls away for nothing more than expenses. In my case, I've done it 3 times, paying $250/€185 per day.
Girls may earn less in the club, but they always think there is a possiblity of more.
Yes, but she's still in the club, fucking whoever comes along. On vacation, she's with someone whose company she enjoys and in a vacation setting, be it San Francisco, Rome or Paris.
Plus, a girl has control over safety and time she spends with you. Outside the club, she is much more vulnerable.
Absolutely true. In my case, I've never traveled (and wouldn't) with a very young girl. One would like to think that a girl in her late 20s, as was the case with my past traveling companion as well as my intended one, would be experienced enough and know her companion well enough to exercise good judgment. In my case, I happen to know she'll be totally safe and treated regally.
The downside to extended outcall is that it is very hard to control the expenses. You may end up going on a very expensive shopping spree just to satisfy your ego of having arm candy. With the club, you are more in control. You can't really refuse to pay is a girl gets moody just because you did not buy her the presents she wants.
And I trust my judgment enough to know that this person with whom I hope to travel is doing it for the experience and the fun.
Plus, do not forget that time together is just an illusion. She is not and will not be your girlfriend.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. There's no illusion, any more than in the club. It's a vacation, it's fun, and when it's done, it's done and will be relegated to the vault of fine memories. It's only an illusion if you think it's more than that.
Angus Magee
04-06-10, 12:16
There are those that say that all of life is but an illusion and that upon dying we wake up to life’s illusion and realize that what we thought was real was but a dream sandwiched between the two momentous events we call birth & death. Having had no experience of actual death I can not (at least from where I now speak) say this to be true or false. But as regular readers will by now know, I harbor a certain love of illusion and thus appreciate the illusion that some FKK girls can provide.
As I see it, upon entering an FKK you enter a controlled environment where certain rules & strictures apply. The trouble often is that many of these rules are unspoken and a wee bit pliable. One of the unspoken big rules is, of course, do not fall for the girls. Conventional wisdom will tell you time and again that this would be foolishness and indeed the road to ruin. I am quite sure that the girls follow a similar rule from their side.
Trouble is that this rule goes well against the grain when you are playing with physical intimacy and, perhaps on the boundaries of emotional intimacy, as you do when you doff your robe and roll about naked in the room with a delightful young specimen of female form. That is at least a little part of you (or me anyway) dearly wants to fall in love and be lost in the endorphins and oxytocins thus evoked.
The skill that some of these girls bring to the table is the ability to make a man feel sexually, and maybe even a little emotionally, intimate while at the same time maintaining the boundary we have implicitly agreed upon when entering into the paid sex relationship. Of course different mongers will find this (if indeed they are looking for this-many are not) with different girls. Gabriella (Oase) is a beautiful example of a girl who, for me, managed to play this game to perfection. That is in the time I spent with her both at Oase, and when she was playing in the away venue, I certainly felt myself falling for her. Yet she also made it known to me, without having to rely on anything so crude as words, that the boundary was firmly, if a little porously, in place. She did what she did for the cash I provided her at the end of the hour and would soon be doing it with yet another monger who could ante up the price of admission. While I will admit to feeling a wee bit sad over this, another aspect of me, namely the more dispassionate watcher, felt a great deal of admiration for her ability, at such a tender age, to conjure and deal with what is ultimately a pretty complex relationship.
The cynics among you may well feel that Old Angus is a bit of a fool for having these thoughts and feelings. Paid sex is often just a physical thing, a release of pent up energy into a conveniently bought and paid for hole attached to a woman whose real name you do not even know but whose form is appealing. I will contend that in the environment of the FKK club this cynical view of things can be, if one wants, discarded and one can enter into that illusory pleasure dome and find a phantom lover that is at the very least as real as a well crafted film. And when I go to see a really good film you will not find me complaining, upon exiting the theater, that it was not real. I know it is not real when I buy the ticket. But I rely upon the director, actors et.al. to create a seamless journey into my own imagination using all the tricks of light & shadow they have at their disposal.
When I started writing this post I had in mind Mark User’s topic of FKK take out, specifically with regard to the possibility of inviting a girl on vacation. Considering M U seems to be exploring the smaller clubs I would say that his chances for finding such an arrangement are fair to good, but that the cash amount suggested (200E/day) may be a little low unless he is taking them to a particularly luxurious local and spending freely on the accommodation/food/entertainment end of things. At that point though he could run into some serious cost over runs and end up spending way more than planned. Either that or he ends up appearing cheap and the sex would probably suffer as a result. As another poster has mentioned, in the take out environment much more is out of your, apparent or otherwise, control.
On the other end of the spectrum is that M U’s lowballing of the cash payment suggests that he hopes to find a girl with whom he has a connection and who actually likes, perhaps even desires, him at least a little bit above and beyond the financial arrangements. And this is where I think things can get very tricky. In a way, once outside the FKK environ, I feel it is better to either have the arrangement be clearly about the cash, or not. That is the girl either accompanies you on an expense paid vacation (where you pay nothing for her time) or you pay a clearly agreed upon daily rate that is in line with what a normal escort would expect for such an arrangement. And a look at a few escort sites will tell you that this figure is significantly higher than 200E/day.
The reason I suggest this is that I have in fact had some experience with take out from an FKK. Of course being a monger with not terribly deep pockets I was, perhaps foolishly, rather relying upon the nice connection I had with the girl. Not that I was expecting anything for free, but I was expecting to pay below market value. The result was for me a demonstration of just how quickly these sorts of things, once outside the controlled FKK environment, can become shipwrecked upon the craggy shoals of faux romance, leaving one’s feelings bruised and the monger’s hopefully constructed vessel to less expensive, more enjoyable, nookie in ruins.
And with the wisdom of hindsight I would say that next time I would keep the financial arrangement more in line with the market rate thus, hopefully, keeping the FKK illusion of intimacy alive with its’ cash powered heartbeat.
So my advise for M U is to follow his own desires in this endeavor but to be aware that it can be tricky path to walk and one that is best attempted when one is well financially padded. These girls, and I do not mean this with any sort of cynical spin, are masters of getting us mongers to believe what they want us to believe. I truly think that much of the time they do it without ever really being aware that they are doing anything at all.
And of course we all expect a full and detailed report;)
AM
What got me thinking was seeing how few punters there were in the small clubs when the quality of the girls seemed good, and some of the girls, I am guessing, are not making 100 euro's net a day. Or if they are, they have to be on the floor for 18 hours.
I really wasn't suggesting being cheap and for that reason suggesting to pay low, but I was realizing that the amount I have been spending at times per day (250 euro) was quite a bit more than -I am assuming- the girl is now making in the club. I would not expect someone making 4-500 per day to accept 2-300 per day. But if she isn't making any money, and I am planning to spend all that anyway, then instead of me going with different girls, we could help each other and both double what she otherwise was making, and she gets to spend the time with a known quantity (me) and not have to hope the next guy who comes in the door isn't a jerk. I really wondered how some of the young and not-as-young beauties from the Point, for instance, were making any money. I was there for quite a few hours and at most that day there were 3 or 4 guys, and most did one session and left from my observation. I did more sessions than planned, and I know I was the only session those girls had during the whole time I was there.
I'm ponderin' all these inputs and maybe I'll act on it. And of course I'll report back here.
It will be months/years before I can try this out. First off, I have to get back to Germany and who knows when that will happen next.
My one intermediate thought was to try this take out "in house." That is, pick one girl, talk to her, and tell her I want to session with her 3 or 4 times over a 4 or 5 hour period, but not a 2-hour block. More like 3 or 4 1/2 hour blocks with couch time in between. See if she would basically be my designated hitter for an extended day.
Just for fun, I'd thought I'd repost here my report of a trip taken in March of 2006. A few things that don't appear in this report:
1. Celine was the operator of the agency for whom Gia worked.
2. Gia, 23 at the time of our trip, retired from the business about six months later. We're still friends and meet up quite often. In fact, we went for a bike trip around Montreal just last Friday. We have had no sexual relations since her retirement.
3. I paid her 1000$ CDN for the trip and spent another $500 USD on gifts. The entire adventure cost me with meals, airfare, hotel and all about $4000 USD. (The Canadian dollar was worth about $.75 US at the time.)
3:55 PM - We are airborne. (We will be airborne, so to speak, for much of the weekend.)
10:20 PM - We arrive in San Francisco, cab to hotel, check in, put Sam Cooke on the stereo, and throw ourselves wildly at each other before passing out somewhere around 2 am.
Gia lives by herself and is unaccustomed to sleeping with another. She creates some separation by sleeping between the sheet and the blanket. She says no to spooning. There is precious little contact through the night. In all cases throughout the weekend, and there were few, if Gia said that she was uncomfortable with something, I left it there and moved on.
There was also the difference in personal daily routines to compensate for. I'm rarely up as late as 2 am and usually awake by 5. I awake at 7 on Saturday, go down to get some coffee, and start my thread on the trip. Gia awakes about ten and, after about 20 minutes in the bathroom, emerges looking absolutely magnificent wearing nothing but a towel. She is at this moment the most radiantly sexy creature in the universe. She asks me to put on Sam Cooke. (Oh, boy! Oh, boy!)
Sex with Gia is not an emotional bonding by any stretch of the imagination. It is, however, both passionate and playful. Having some special needs myself, I've brought my own special, ultra-thin Japanese condoms and some silicone lubricant. Gia takes a little taste of it to see if it meets with her approval and it does. She douses a portion of my anatomy with it and then proceeds to do things to me with her mouth that are illegal in 37 states and all Canadian provinces west of Prince Edward Island. I do not object, but fear I might have to spend the rest of the weekend in intensive care.
We spend the afternoon hitting every boutique on Haight Street and bicycling in Golden Gate Park, me always in the rear so as not to miss the view. I ask Gia if she wants to head over to the Castro to get a drink and see if the boys are out groping in the street. This lights her up and we grab a cab to the Castro, winding up in a bar named Harvey's, named after Harvey Milk.
What I know of Gia from before, from our two two hour meetings, from the usual 15 minutes of pre-coital banter is that she's got a sharp edge to her playful wit. What I'm beginning to become aware of now almost 24 hours into our trip is the breadth of the amazing mind that beats inside Gia's head. Her quips are insightful and funny. They flow from her with regularity, poured out of the brightest winning smile in all of California. As the weekend moves on, I'm constantly amazed at her intelligence and her knowledge of things musical and cinematic.
And she's always smiling, her metabolism working at an astonishing pace throughout. After Harvey's, we head off to North Beach to go to City Lights Bookshop and dinner. One of the first things she mentioned when we hooked up on Friday was that City Lights was at the top of her things to do list. This was the first clue that I was in the presence of a person who is quite
aware of the world of culture. She bought herself a couple of pretty heavyweight books and I picked up a copy of Andre Breton's Anthology of Black Humor, which I presented to her when we got back out on the street and turned in the direction of Citizen Thai for dinner, which we both loved.
We went back to the room briefly, before Gia headed out alone to call a friend at home. And she's gone. Time passes and more time passes. She's gone over an hour. Just as I start to grow concerned, the phone rings. She's wandered back over to North Beach and found a brewpub with a jazz band. I should hurry on down. I do. We listen. We return to the room.
Gia goes into the bathroom to freshen up and whispers to me, "Would you put Sam Cooke on?" Out she comes, and spreads the little scented candles she purchased earlier in the day around the room. She sings along with Sam Cooke, "Cupid, draw back your bow-ow-ow..." We lunge at each other and go to town for the next hour or so, more gently and expressively than agressively and energetically, though we move back and forth. We've now had our way with each other 4-5 times overall since first meeting and are getting a pretty good sense of each other in bed. Our bodies move very well together in any number of positions. It doesn't take very long for an excitable girl to get excited when she's having fun and Gia pretty quickly goes over the top in quite an intense moment. (There were a lot of intense moments.) The look in her eyes blazing into mine as I drew her over the top is permanently etched in my mind. It, by itself, is worth every penny I spent this glorious weekend.
When we kissed each other good night Saturday evening, Gia impishly informed me that she was going to dine on me for breakfast in the morning, but, sadly, she awoke in the am with her stomach off-kilter and had to pass. Our plan for the early part of the day was to go off to Marin County, the other side of the Golden Gate Bridge to hike through the redwoods in the Muir Woods and Gia was quite excited about the prospect. As we crossed the bridge, it started to rain and we turned instead to Sausalito for brunch at what proved to be an unexciting fern bar. After that, we as it rained heavily, we decided against the Muir Woods and went back to San Francisco, the hotel and a little workout. As Gia went off to the bathroom to freshen up, she turned to me, asking me to get the candles ready and "Would you put on Sam Cooke?" We proceeded, yet again, to roll and tumble and, again, the look in her eyes blazing into mine as I brought her to completion was enough to make an old man weep.
The festivities completed, we headed off to the E and O Trading Company, a fabulous Asian fusion restaurant for an early dinner, as Gia wanted to get back to the hotel to watch the Oscar broadcast. We dine and return to the hotel, watching the show until we each tire of it around 8:30 pm. Gia leaves to phone a friend and wanting some time alone. I have no problem with this.
She's gone three hours, returning just after 11:30 and I'm quite annoyed and prepare to express my annoyance.
She returns to the room, positively aglow and flashes me a huge bright eyed smile and gives me a warm hello, my anger turning instantly to desire. I'm stunned and ask her, now gently, where she's been, I've been worried to death. She has no idea that she's been gone as long as she has. After making her phone calls, she'd gone back to City Lights to pick up a present for a friend, but found the store closed. What she did find there were two young women, photography students from Taiwan, one of whom is going to be in Montreal later this month for a couple of weeks. The girls went off to a bar, had a drink and talked, exchanging addresses, before Gia returned to the hotel.
Repeating the earlier scene, she kisses me passionately and asks me to ready the candles and "Would you put on Sam Cooke?" while she goes to the bathroom to freshen up. I frantically light the candles and cue the music for what would be our final go round. And what a go round it was, yes, the blazing eyes yet again, blah, blah, blah. We finish and I am utterly spent. I'm sure, again, that the things she does to me with her mouth are illegal.
I waken in the morning, as usual, before Gia and as she sleeps, I head off the the Starbucks downstairs to fetch the morning coffee. As you may be aware, Starbucks sells CDs, stocking a very limited collection, usually in a rack next to the cash register. I look down and see, staring me right in the face. "Portrait of a Legend: Sam Cooke 1951-1964," the very collection we've been listening to all weekend. Of course, I grab it and, when back upstairs, slip it into her purse. The dear girl awakens and heads off the the bathroom and I hear a little squeal of glee as she finds the disc.
We spend the early part of the day shopping for gifts for her friends. She wants to get thongs with San Francisco printed on them for Anabelle, Nadia, and Porcha, so we head back to the Haight, having struck out looking for them at Fisherman's Wharf the previous day. All the trash in the world there, but no thongs. We do find the thongs in the Haight and I also get Gia a jacket that she'd been admiring on Saturday. She also picks up up a tank top at the same store and puts in on. This particular garment is thinner than paper and they are no match whatsoever for Gia's fabulous nipples. I have trouble keeping from staring at her gorgeous breasts the rest of the day and make her promise to wear that tanktop the next time we meet in Montreal.
We're to meet my best friend at 3:30 at his gallery to spend the rest of the day with him before he is to take us to the airport for our 11:40 flight home. A little preface to this part of the day. Bill, like me is 57 and grew up in NYC. He has been living in San Francisco for the last 30 years and, like me, if I may be so brash, is an urbane, witty, sophisticated person. Bill is not a "hobbyist" and has no sense of who he's about to meet. He knows I'm traveling with a 24 year old escort, but Bill has no sense of the difference between an escort, prostitute, *****, streetwalker, etc. My best guess is that I'm with some young bimbo who is with me simply to satisfy my carnal pleasures.
We meet him in the foyer of his gallery and he fairly quickly garners, as she admires the work within, that she is not only charming and luscious, but culturally sophisticated lightyears beyond what one would expect from one so young and with little formal education to speak of. Astonishingly enough, Gia is shy at first, but breaks out quite quickly. We spend the next six hours between Bill's gallery, a bar overlooking the ocean next to the west end of Golden Gate Park, Bill's home, and a hole-in-the-wall sushi joint a block down from his house.
Bill is continuously amazed and charmed by Gia. He absolutely can't take his eyes off her, particularly her breasts which demand to be stared at through the paper thin tank top and her delightful derriere. The girl is totally at ease in the company of these two educated men twice her age. She has the two of us in stitches throughout the evening. I'm continually astonished at the precision of her wit and her degree of cultural sophistication. It was one of the most enjoyable evenings I've ever spent among friends.
Bill takes us to the airport and we fly home, speaking little, sleeping a lot. Gia is tired and introspective. She does tell me that she is an introspective person when alone, but through the weekend she has shared nothing of her inner life with me. My sense is that she's very guarded and protective, wanting to share none of her personal life with a client, even one with whom she's shared as much time as she has with me. I'm sorry for that, but never pushed her one iota to let me in; if she wanted to, she would, if she wants to in the future, she will. I'm just happy that I've been able to give her as much pleasure this weekend as I have.
We kissed lightly goodbye at the airport, she went for a cab, I went to my car. I headed off to meet Celine and debrief her on our travels. I met with Celine for about an hour and she tells me that she's already heard from Gia. The young woman was speaking so fast trying to recount how much fun she had that Celine could barely understand her. I'm real happy that I was able to do this for Gia and, God knows, for myself. I've enjoyed one of the best weekends of my life and one I can't imagine I'll ever forget.
Angus Magee
04-06-10, 13:34
I really wasn't suggesting being cheap and for that reason suggesting to pay low, but I was realizing that the amount I have been spending at times per day (250 euro) was quite a bit more than -I am assuming- the girl is now making in the club. I would not expect someone making 4-500 per day to accept 2-300 per day. But if she isn't making any money, and I am planning to spend all that anyway, then instead of me going with different girls, we could help each other and both double what she otherwise was making, and she gets to spend the time with a known quantity (me) and not have to hope the next guy who comes in the door isn't a jerk. I really wondered how some of the young and not-as-young beauties from the Point, for instance, were making any money. I was there for quite a few hours and at most that day there were 3 or 4 guys, and most did one session and left from my
I am not really suggesting that you were motivated by any desire to be cheap. But one has to realize that in saving cash on one end you end up paying for it on the other end, sometimes in currencies that are not cash.
What one needs to look at is what is it that really motivates these girls. For sure one can say it is the money. But on a deeper level I think some of the satisfaction they get, those that get satisfaction, is that someone is willing to spend reasonably large sums of cash just to be with them. It is a matter of self worth. This latter motive is for the most part not really in the fore front of awareness I think.
So while the lesser sums you suggest fit the male model of logic in these circumstances, in the female model (which may not even qualify as logic to us) what you are essentially saying is that they are worth less. You may be able to make up this short fall with gifts, entertainment and perhaps even a sort of friendship but I suggest that a hidden resentment may creep in.
This is something to keep in mind. I'm not saying it is not doable, just that you need to go into such an arrangement with eyes fully open. Or at least as open as they can be.
Edit After having read Regnad's excellent telling of such an adventure I have to say that IMO he has played it exactly right. Especially with regard to respecting the girl's boundaries. But then $4000 US, of which 1000 cash & 500 in gifts went directly to the girl, is not exactly inexpensive for a weekend even if it does sound like it more than met R's expectations.
What one needs to look at is what is it that really motivates these girls. For sure one can say it is the money. But on a deeper level I think some of the satisfaction they get, those that get satisfaction, is that someone is willing to spend reasonably large sums of cash just to be with them.
There's another motivator. Fun. Assuming, and this is important, that the young lady enjoys your company, what she's getting in addition to a little bit of cash and a bit of a shopping spree, is a free all expenses paid vacation in exchange for a few hours of recreational sex. In that alone, there's considerable value.
In the case of the trip I reported on below, the young lady was being taken to a city I know well and I was able to take her to places she might not have found on her own. In payback, our final trip was to a place she knew well, Vancouver Island. She got to take me to some of her favorite places. And everybody lived happily ever after.
If you consider only the time we spend in coitus delecti, probably 8-10 hours over four days, she was paid for that in excess of the hourly rate she'd have earned at home.
But...there's the original assumption. She has to be someone you've spent enough time with in the clubs for both of you to know that you'll enjoy each other's company for an extended period of time and, in her case, for her to feel that she'll be safe in your company. You cannot, let me rephrase, CANNOT even think of simply booking a trip like this with a girl you don't know simply because she looks good to you.
Gotta say that I'm with Angus on this one, insofar as "take out" from German FKKs (also Sauna Clubs, brothels etc) is not usually done inexpensively,
especially by guys who do not frequent the establishment on a very regular basis.
It's one thing to book a regular girl on a weekly (or more often) basis and then asking her to go away for a few nights, somewhere nice, and possibly reducing her rates to facilitate this.
She may or may not go along with this, depending on how good a customer you are, whether she likes you (or not) as a person/client.
However, it is much more difficult to get a reduced rate, if you have just met and paid the girl for sex on a handful of occasions.
She may prefer to take her chances earning more in the club and why do a favour for a guy who she hardly knows.
Or more importantly, why do a favour for a guy who has hardly paid her anything in the past and who wont be a big pay cheque for her in the future either!?
She may very well go away with you for a few days to somewhere nice, but getting a reduced rate will be more difficult.
Nothing in life is impossible, but difficult to get a reduced rate, if you are not already a good customer.
CD
Or more importantly, why do a favour for a guy who has hardly paid her anything in the past and who wont be a big pay cheque for her in the future either!?
If I may reiterate, I would only undertake such a trip if she is doing it primarily for fun. If she sees it as a paid vacation in the company of someone she knows well enough to know that she'll enjoy the trip, then I expect to pay accordingly.
In the case of the young lady I took to San Francisco, we'd only spent about 6 hours together beforehand.
As for the young woman I'm now discussing traveling with, I've seen her on my last two trips over, spending (between time spent in and out of the Zimmer) in the vicinity of 15 hours together over four days in the club.
Even paying her as little as €200 per day, a three day trip with plane fare, hotel, and food will still run between €1500-€2000. If you consider the amount of time spent in bed, that's quite an expensive hourly rate and, as Angus points out, quite an expensive weekend. It would certainly be much less expensive to see her in the club.
If I may reitterate and I'm not taking a shot at anyone here! Not you Regnad, or Mark User either!
Nothing in life is impossible, but difficult to get a reduced rate, if you are not already a good customer.
Simple as that!
You may have been successful in past endeavours over in North America and Mark User may very well be successful in future endeavours in Germany,
but I still believe it is difficult to get a reduced "take out" rate (~€200/day) from a club girl if she does not know her customer very well.
In your case, you are discussing an all expenses paid trip as a sweetener (possibly costing a few thousand euro), so you do not fit exactly into the reduced rate category.
Of course, I will be delighted to be proven incorrect in this matter. I sincerely hope that you and Mark User are successful in your endeavours. Time will tell.
If I may reiterate, I would only undertake such a trip if she is doing it primarily for fun. If she sees it as a paid vacation in the company of someone she knows well enough to know that she'll enjoy the trip, then I expect to pay accordingly.
In the case of the young lady I took to San Francisco, we'd only spent about 6 hours together beforehand.
As for the young woman I'm now discussing traveling with, I've seen her on my last two trips over, spending (between time spent in and out of the Zimmer) in the vicinity of 15 hours together over four days in the club.
Even paying her as little as €200 per day, a three day trip with plane fare, hotel, and food will still run between €1500-€2000. If you consider the amount of time spent in bed, that's quite an expensive hourly rate and, as Angus points out, quite an expensive weekend. It would certainly be much less expensive to see her in the club.
You may have been successful in past endeavours over in North America and Mark User may very well be successful in future endeavours in Germany, but I still believe it is difficult to get a reduced "take out" rate (~€200/day) from a club girl if she does not know her customer very well.
Actually, CD, I don't see where there is disagreement here. The key phrase from your post is "if she does not know her customer very well." What constitutes "very well" is subject to interpretation.
When I say "takeout" I certainly don't mean a romantic evening in Friedrichsdorf. I'd rather see her in the club.
And you do acknowledge that the expenses paid trip hardly qualifies as "reduced rate." A reduced rate is not the goal. Fun, as always, is the goal.
Angus Magee
04-06-10, 16:46
There's another motivator. Fun.
Like Cap'n Dan I also have to wonder about what I perceive as a slight defensive tone to Ragnad's post. I also am not saying that anything is impossible. You will find few mongers in whose heart hope springs more eternal than this old dog. I am, it has been said, a Fool for Love even if my own definition of love may be a wee bit more elastic, and less serious, than most. That is I can easily feel a wee bit o' love for a young lass I am paying 60 Euros per half hour to suck my dick.
As for fun being the motivator-no doubt it may well be the motivator behind a girl agreeing to accompany you on a weekend in SF. As you point out the success of such an adventure rests upon the young lady in question being open to such fun, as well as your own apparent maturity in dealing with such issues as her not doing exactly as expected (the three hour evening excursion) and the respect you had for her personal boundaries and privacy.
I guess what I was pointing towards was more the over all motivation behind why a girl choses in the first place to work in the sex trade. While I do not claim to know absolutely why the girls do what they do, I do know enough about motivation (through studying my own motivations) to know that often there are often motives beneath the ones I think are motivating me. And I assume it is the same for others.
What I am saying is that one needs to be sensitive to this fact when one moves away from the more or less well trodden path of the club environment. It is certainly of value to read a report such as you have offered to show what is possible.
I does sound to me that your trip to SF was motivated by fun from both sides and succeeded as your both had a degree of maturity about the arrangements. You were paying her well for her time and treated her professionally.
I guess what I was pointing towards was more the over all motivation behind why a girl choses in the first place to work in the sex trade.
I'm gonna hazard a guess here and list what I see as the top 10 motivators.
1. Euros
2. Dollars
3. Marks
4. Kroner
5. Lira
6. Shekels
7. Rubels
8. Drachma
9. Loonies
10. Simolians
Beyond that, if she can find a bit of fun in the work, all the better. And if she's lucky enough to charm some poor old dude to wine and dine her in some far off port, even more the better.
Actually, CD, I don't see where there is disagreement here.
You are correct Regnad, there is not much dissagreement here as such. I actually wish you well in your endeavour.
However, saying that I think you know that what you are trying to achieve in Germany is not commonly or easily done
i.e. bring an FKK girl away for an expensive holiday for a reduced "take out" rate.
I believe the normal "take out" rate (from an FKK) is something like €700 for 12 hours and €1000+ for 24 hours.
However, I am open to correction on this matter. It might be even more expensive.
Obviously the above rate is dependant on the girl, i.e. whether she is a stunner or not.
Even an ordinary looking FKK girl will expect €100 per hour up to a certain point.
Anyway, I see nothing wrong with what you want to do. I certainly am not accusing you of being cheap or anything like that.
I know that you will treat the girl well and spend thousands on accomodation and entertainment.
However, I believe you appear to be defensive on this issue (as Angus points out) because you have not yet agreed this trip and the payments (with the lady)
and you are also aware (deep down) that it is, as I have said, not something that is easily done
i.e. take a lady away for an expensive holiday at a reduced "take out" rate.
As I said, I do hope it works out for you. I myself have done something similar i.e. took a girl away for a 10 day beach holiday and stayed in a top class hotel.
But that was in Thailand, where the dynamics of the situation are different and the payments that the girls expect are significantly less.
There is nothing wrong with what you want to do. I have met you. I know you to be a descent guy. I wish you every success with your plans.
CD
No, Dan, I don't think I'm defensive. At least, not in my mind.
It's as simple as this: if she wants to do it at a price that I think it's worth, which won't be a whole lot beyond the considerable expenses, then we go. If she wants more than that, we don't.
If it doesn't work out, I certainly won't hold it against her and it certainly won't stop me from continuing to play a little push-me, pull-you in the club with her. I'll still enjoy her company and save a fair pile to boot.
Regnad, I think we've done this issue to death. I hope it works out for you.
Regnad, I think we've done this issue to death. I hope it works out for you.
And if it doesn't and you're in the neighborhood, perhaps we can do another tour. My next trip, late June, is a day longer and I'll likely be up for a day or two of testing out a new joint or two.
I think you fellows may be onto something here, with this FKK "Take-Out" idea. How about a slightly lighter spin: I will be there for almost 2 weeks. Although I hope to spend most of my time naked, I have located a laundry in Frankfurt, right next to Gobel-Franz Deli/Coffee Shop (WaschSalon) on Moselstrasse to freshen me up as necessary. Perhaps instead I should snuggle up to a FKK cutie & session with her several times. Then begin the baby-steps of moving out of the FKK by seeing if she will do my laundry! lol. Nothing is impossible... just difficult.
Myr. ;)
Some valid points made here, but I agree with AM's position the most. I think most of you are looking at it from the male perspective. Let me turn the situation on its head.
A girl will say: instead of giving me 200/day and spending 1500E for the weekend, she would rather have 500E and spend 5 hours in the club with you. That way she would "save" you money and you would get more sex. She values the extra cash more than the trip to the exotic location with YOU. Nothing wrong with the location, but she probably would rather spend the time with someone she really likes. So what you view as saving, she see as being cheap.
The bottom line is few of the girls would spend time with most of us if money were not involved. For those who like us enough that money is not the issue, the girl is like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. She want the whole package. Marriage, children, a nice home etc.
The extended takeout is merely an illusion that many practice thinking that the girl sees us as someone special instead of just another client. That is why some guys lavish tons of gifts and tips the girls. It's a belief that some how there is a special connection with the girls. Others have this fantasy of saving the girls from the business. Like I said, this is merely an illusion.
In fact, we went for a bike trip around Montreal just last Friday Can I ride with her F1 weekend?
Best Regards,
Smuler
Dr Clitorius
04-07-10, 06:23
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Basketcase
04-07-10, 06:33
Hi Akibono,
How are you doing? I missed you during your last trip.
A girl will say: instead of giving me 200/day and spending 1500E for the weekend, she would rather have 500E and spend 5 hours in the club with you. That way she would "save" you money and you would get more sex. She values the extra cash more than the trip to the exotic location with YOU. Nothing wrong with the location, but she probably would rather spend the time with someone she really likes.
I have had girls who have said this. They see an escort gig as very expensive for men and can gauge if you are a normal / average guy or a high roller. I am no high roller. The girl may say it better you see her in the club since it works out cheaper for you in terms of sex for your money. I appreciate the social time aspect of escort but as we all note it can be an illusion that we fool ourselves into thinking there may be more. A girl on an escort gig will not fuck you for 24 hours non stop but if there is one please let me know.
The bottom line is few of the girls would spend time with most of us if money were not involved. For those who like us enough that money is not the issue, the girl is like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. She want the whole package. Marriage, children, a nice home etc.
The extended takeout is merely an illusion that many practice thinking that the girl sees us as someone special instead of just another client. That is why some guys lavish tons of gifts and tips the girls. It's a belief that some how there is a special connection with the girls. Others have this fantasy of saving the girls from the business. Like I said, this is merely an illusion.
Many guys have asked girls to go on holidays or breaks with them on the understanding that her time will be for free and she may get some gifts or the holiday was real expensive and to somewhere where she really wants to go.
Remember that these girls do this job as a job or business. Would you provide a good or service for free? These girls have families/children to raise, houses to buy, their boyfriend's new car or their own next shopping spree on shoes to pay for. It is their security that she get paid. Going on a gig for a couple of days for no compensation is a big decision or she must be confident in her financial position. Okay there are loss leaders but we are talking about girls you have had a prior engagement with where the relationship is based on pay for play not friendship.
I agree there are few girls in the club that will spend time with us unless money was involved. Hessen Bub seems to do really well getting girls to date him outside the club for no money. I have done the same back home with pay for play girls going on dates for no money like meals, visits to my home, shows, walks, shopping (the girls were buying for herself and me for me), lapdance clubs (lapdance girl on my girl) since I think they enjoy my company. Some wanted gifts and some wanted nothing. You pay for it in the end somewhere whether monetary or emotionally.
These girls on these free gigs tell you all sorts of stuff, the things they have to do with their men that pay them; their family issues / problems; their boyfriends; there aspirations; their mortgages; their investments - asking for advice; their interests like any other person. Getting to know their personal lives is interesting but you have to wonder why. She is not your girlfriend. Do you ask her if she is single? Would you feel different if she was married or in a long term relationship or she is kept by a pimp? What are you going to do with that information? Why is she telling you about the sex acts she does to please other men? Did you show interest and she told you? Why were you interested? Should you care? Nick the G says no to knowing what she does for her work.
You have to be one special guy for her to go on vacation for little or no money is all I say.
You have to be one special guy for her to go on vacation for little or no money is all I say.
This is where I disagree. She doesn't have to think you are special; she simply has to think that she'll have a good time. She has to view the time she spends with you as a vacation. She doesn't have to love you or think you love her. As Jerry Greenfield (Ben's partner) once said, "If it's not fun, why do it?"
The thing you're all missing here is the value, for her, of being out of the club. She's getting paid, however little or much. She's going on a trip to an interesting place, eating in good restaurants, seeing the sights, etc. And she's out of the club.
These girls don't work 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year. They're not just being paid for the time they spend in the Zimmer with you; you're €65 also covers their entry fee, their down time, and the hours of languishing with their hooks in the water or grabbing guys balls in hope of dragging them downstairs.
Given the choice of making €200 per day this week, traipsing around Paris with a guy she likes or (possibly) making €400 in the club, I suspect many a girl will choose the former, knowing full well that the club will be there next week.
Can I ride with her F1 weekend?
Are you aware that the F1 trace is heavily used by cyclists the rest of the year?
Are you aware that the F1 trace is heavily used by cyclists the rest of the year?Yes I do, as I have ridden the circuit.
Best Regards,
Smuler
This is where I disagree. She doesn't have to think you are special; she simply has to think that she'll have a good time. She has to view the time she spends with you as a vacation. She doesn't have to love you or think you love her. As Jerry Greenfield (Ben's partner) once said, "If it's not fun, why do it?"
The thing you're all missing here is the value, for her, of being out of the club. She's getting paid, however little or much. She's going on a trip to an interesting place, eating in good restaurants, seeing the sights, etc. And she's out of the club.
These girls don't work 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year. They're not just being paid for the time they spend in the Zimmer with you; you're €65 also covers their entry fee, their down time, and the hours of languishing with their hooks in the water or grabbing guys balls in hope of dragging them downstairs.
Given the choice of making €200 per day this week, traipsing around Paris with a guy she likes or (possibly) making €400 in the club, I suspect many a girl will choose the former, knowing full well that the club will be there next week.
Hey Regnad,
Gotta side with BC on this one. You have to consider that a number of these girls are not just working for themselves, but for families back home or "boyfriends" in Germany. In the first case, the idea of a nice vacation might not hold the same interest for her without a good bit of bank to go along with it. If she ain't working, then the family ain't earning.
In the latter case, do you really think a "boyfriend" is going to allow his "girl" to accompany you or anyone on a vacation without some serious bank? He wants her in the club earning her keep.
Even the ones who are free of their "boyfriends" (i.e. "contracts" are paid up) are going to be inherently suspicious of traveling with a stranger. Often such offers from strangers is how they got lassoed into the "business" in the first place.
The girls that I know (mostly German) who have engaged in such a deal haven't done it on the cheap. (No, I'm not going to give out any names, so no one need bother asking.)
If you are going to talk a girl into this, at any price, you will probably have to invest in a number of club sessions with her over a period of time. More than likely the girl will have to be free of any pimp and probably need to have an EU passport. I also doubt that you will be able to do this with a girl who isn't in her late twenties or older.
Not trying to discourage you. You may have the game to make it happen. In that case, hats off to you. I do think that you are probably banking a bit too much on the "fun" aspect for the gals, but what do I know.
Good luck,
Dedalus
Gentleman Travel
04-07-10, 16:53
This is where I disagree. She doesn't have to think you are special; she simply has to think that she'll have a good time. She has to view the time she spends with you as a vacation. She doesn't have to love you or think you love her. As Jerry Greenfield (Ben's partner) once said, "If it's not fun, why do it?"
The thing you're all missing here is the value, for her, of being out of the club. She's getting paid, however little or much. She's going on a trip to an interesting place, eating in good restaurants, seeing the sights, etc. And she's out of the club.
These girls don't work 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year. They're not just being paid for the time they spend in the Zimmer with you; you're €65 also covers their entry fee, their down time, and the hours of languishing with their hooks in the water or grabbing guys balls in hope of dragging them downstairs.
Given the choice of making €200 per day this week, traipsing around Paris with a guy she likes or (possibly) making €400 in the club, I suspect many a girl will choose the former, knowing full well that the club will be there next week.
Getting a girl out of a FKK for a reasonable price may be tough, but there are many other prospects for eager companions for "free" vacations. Just trawl on Craigslist for a girl from your hometown to join you on a jaunt to the Caribbean or Paris or whatever. You won't get the professional service of an FKK girl, but more GFE and the possibility of on-going benefits. There are lots of girls out there who are not pros or even semi-pros, but will fuck you for some benefit, like a vacation.
Getting a girl out of a FKK for a reasonable price may be tough, but there are many other prospects for eager companions for "free" vacations. Just trawl on Craigslist for a girl from your hometown to join you on a jaunt to the Caribbean or Paris or whatever. You won't get the professional service of an FKK girl, but more GFE and the possibility of on-going benefits. There are lots of girls out there who are not pros or even semi-pros, but will fuck you for some benefit, like a vacation.
Thanks for the input. Without revealing too much, I've been in discussion with a certain woman, with whom I've spent considerable time, regarding this trip. Whether or not it comes to pass is entirely up to her. I've done this kind of thing before. If she wants to do it, viewing it as a vacation that she'll enjoy, knowing that the expense will be considerable, she'll quote a rate accordingly. If she doesn't want to do it and views it as work, she'll again quote a rate accordingly and it won't likely happen. In either case, I think we've done a good job of beating this issue to death.
I've been in discussion with a certain woman.....I've done this kind of thing before.
But not with a girl from an Fkk. You did this with an escort in Montreal and had other things going for you besides talking to the girl. You knew the agency owner, you had a longtime standing history on the review board...and the agency owner knew you personally (knowing the agency owner counts twice). Without the agency owner giving a good word for you since they knew of your support/status on the board it would have been much harder for you to convince someone to join you on a trip.
Im not saying it won't happen here...but all you have going for you is the money/time you've invested in the girl at said Fkk club. I hope it works out for you but I have the feeling your chances are a bit slimmer than on your home turf.
Australiasucks
04-08-10, 03:17
Honestly, its very unwise move to get personally involved with a sex worker. I have actually tried it and paid heavily. A girl did ask me to meet her outside of a club a few years ago and I passed, probably trying to scam me as she knew I was from a rich foreign country that she wanted to migrate to and I was probably a walking visa.
CopaBrasil1
04-08-10, 20:09
I'm currently on vacation in Europe and got called to a meeting in Berlin followed by a flight out of Frankfurt. Was wondering if someone on the board knew of a pharmacy that would sell me cialis. I'm in Madrid till Monday when I fly to Berlin. I did not anticipate the opportunity to venture off now I'm caught w/o my goods that make multiple sessions per night worth the money.
Thanks,
CB
Angus Magee
04-08-10, 21:50
I'm currently on vacation in Europe and got called to a meeting in Berlin followed by a flight out of Frankfurt. Was wondering if someone on the board knew of a pharmacy that would sell me cialis. I'm in Madrid till Monday when I fly to Berlin. I did not anticipate the opportunity to venture off now I'm caught w/o my goods that make multiple sessions per night worth the money.
Thanks,
CB
I am not sure where you are based or how the whole prescription thing works when you are away from home, but assuming you have the prescription and know how to get a German pharmacy to honor it, then any pharmacy will do.
If you think though that you can get cialis without a prescription in Germany you will be very disappointed. That will not happen.
But I can suggest a good oyster bar if you like;)
Last time I did outtake from FKK club, it was with a nice intelligent semi-pro that moonlights in the FKKs. Had known her for some time and we always had a great time in the club. Met her in Southern Germany since I was passing by there. Agreed on a pretty low rate for one day (think it was something like 400€). After two hours, two pops, I was thinking "Fuck, wish I had brought a book with me. Wander what is on TV". Agreed to pay her two hour normal FKK rate to get the hell out of there and go meet my buddies up in Frankfurt and hit Oase, World or something like that.
IMO there are other countries much more suitable than Germany for outtake/overnights.
After two hours, two pops, I was thinking "Fuck, wish I had brought a book with me.
I totally hear you. I was lucky with the Montreal girl that I took on a trip. And I strongly suspect that the FKK lady that I've suggested this to is one I'd have fun with for three days. I think a week would be pushing it.
IMO there are other countries much more suitable than Germany for outtake/overnights.
Again I hear you. I've been rethinking this. Why fly across the ocean to DE to the clubs only to not go to the clubs? Seems silly, actually.
Last time I did outtake from FKK club, it was with a nice intelligent semi-pro that moonlights in the FKKs.
Agreed to pay her two hour normal FKK rate to get the hell out of there and go meet my buddies up in Frankfurt and hit Oase, World or something like that.
Gotta wonder a little about the sanity of a dude who would rather spend time with nutjobs like me and a few others, rather than a pretty slammin' lady. Especially considering the way we've been known to fukc each other over whilst playing this hobby ;-))
In all seriousness you and I are in lock-step on that one. Pretty low percentage of these ladies that I can rap with about Proust or the NFL once the horizontal bop in over.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Australiasucks
04-09-10, 21:19
If she is really all that, give it a try just be careful. Given the nature of this business, you should always be wary if a girl gets too friendly. A girl asked for my home address and telephone number, you never know what they really want.
Basketcase
04-09-10, 23:12
I'm currently on vacation in Europe and got called to a meeting in Berlin followed by a flight out of Frankfurt. Was wondering if someone on the board knew of a pharmacy that would sell me cialis. I'm in Madrid till Monday when I fly to Berlin. I did not anticipate the opportunity to venture off now I'm caught w/o my goods that make multiple sessions per night worth the money.
Copabrasil1,
If you are in Spain, from my experiences, you can at least buy viagra over the counter from a pharmacy. You just tell them that you cannot get it up and they ask what dosage 25mg, 50 mg or 100 mg and then ask how many do you want? Like 4 pack, 8 pack or 12 pack? It was like buying aspirin.
I do not know if you can buy cialis in the Spanish pharmacies as I have never tried.
this report is designed for the sex tourist more than residents, so will emphasize choice to be made, travel issues, how to plan/spend days, and costs. i won't report on names of girls-i haven't found any of that information useful for the traveler who would start out sampling these clubs before repeating and actually trying to track down a "well reviewed" girl.
common themes—naked girl eye candy for a day, extras (50 cim, 100 anal, 50/girl lesbo), bbbj, sex—all in 30 min increments. all have free non-alcohol drinks.
major distinguishing points—costs, transportation, indoor facility, outdoor facility, food, contact rules, downtime activity, girl experience, alcohol.
artemis—it's more expensive at entry (80), and per 30 min (60). its really the only fkk in berlin area so go there if in the area, and easy to find on s-bahn. girl quality is high and many wear "adornments (i. e. chain belts, partial panties). they will approach in some areas for a session (esp kino), but you can get rest undisturbed around the pool area. food is higher quality, and overall indoor facility is top of the line, but limited outdoors (patio). you can spend a day here—for a second day you'll get a little sick of it but can come/go from the place between sessions and tour the city a bit. i've had 5 above average and 3 outstanding 30 min. sessions over 2 consecutive days.
colisem—avg price of 75 euro, and 50/half hour sessions. girls are totally naked and gorgeous. there is no outdoor area or food, and no alcohol. you can session with a girl in the hot tub prior to a 30 min room session which is a nice way to spend an hour. the girls will not contact you, so you can relax between sessions well. if anywhere in bavaria—this is a good place to go, but not sure you need to go out of your way to get here. don't worry about the bavaria/bbbj rules. its also a little more complicated to get there—either rent a car or a train trip to augsburg then cab. in a half day, i had one below average 30 min, 1 above average 30 min, and 1 absolutely fantastic never forget 1 hour session (30 min hot tub/30 min room).
oase—lower end of pricing (along with world) at 65 entry, 50/30min increments. fairly good girl quality. moderately high approach rate by girls, but will mostly leave alone outside and around sauna/steam baths. food is lesser quality—you go through a line and they serve you a plate from the bar rather than self service. indoor areas—somewhat smaller, but above average outdoors. a fairly good place to be outside. transport is moderate—long cab from frankfurt, or a train/short cab. car is easier for sure. in 1 full day, i had 1 outstanding 30min with cim, 1 above avg 60 min (there was no point in the 2nd 30 min session—we just talked and had coffee, so no reason to pay for that again), 1 above average maybe even higher) 30 min with a polish girl, and 1 <30 min "shark" encounter that was below average in attitude but as it was my 4th of the day at least i got to pump her good.
world—same pricing as oase. its much harder to get to—another 30 min by car, or elaborate train/cab, or one helluva expensive cab from frankfurt. the indoor area is top rate and bigger than oase—oddly the downstairs rooms do not have full walls so you can hear your neighbors for better or worse. upstairs is very good food and a loud club atmosphere. downstairs is a large spa/sauna/pool area that is quiet, plus kino. the outside areas are fantastic—big pool, decking, lots of grass space, and several cabins for sessions. one fairly muscular dude actually started a session on a lawnchair just a few chairs over from me, so some live outdoor sexshow—don't know if this is common. man, he pounded that girl good—like live porno. my only complaint-the girls will hound you relentlessly at any location indoors or outdoors. i wanted to read and practically had to stay in the changing room area. other than this its great. in a 10 hour stay, i had 2 outstanding 30 min sessions, and 1 unbelievable 1 hour plus cim at the end. again, in between these i had to fend off a lot of advances. there is great beauty there but there are also a lot of overweight, completely undoable girls there that i don't see how they get any sessions. because of the nice facilities—they get a lot of older local guys.
palace—75 entry, but 50/30min sessions. this is basically a club-only facility—nothing outdoors—just rooms, sauna/steam, and the club. they have some novel add-ons—internet, cigar lounge, pole dancing. the food is top notch. the girls hound you pretty good, especially when you first arrive, but tend to cool off. i was only there at night—did not seem like a relaxing place to spend the day, but could be wrong. main plus is convenient location—reachable from fra metro: any 5 or more hour layover to be worth it. the main negative is that the girls do not respect time—30 minutes is actually 10-15, and an hour session is really just a few minutes over 30. plenty of beauty—but they will suck/fuck and move on quickly. i spent 5 hours there and had one below average/terrible service 10 min session with a gorgeous colombian girl. after 2 hours of fending off advances—did a 1 hour (31 min actual) session with cif with a 7-8/10 russian—not happy about the time, but did get a lot of bbbj in kino, a fairly long ride in the room and then a fantastic pornstar type cif ending. it has its strengths, but this is my least favorite club of the 5 in terms of time with the girls and downtime activity.
fkk alternatives?
non-sexual: if near frankfurt, go to taunus thermas in bad homburg. it's a huge family oriented aquatic park with downstairs textile pools and upstairs fkk saunas, pools, steam baths, resting rooms, etc. the sauna areas has its own bar and the downstairs has a restaurant. you can bring your own food/drink in. if you have a day to kill and have had enough sex, it's a good break. you will see some "good" female nudity, but mostly guys and older women.
massage: city-relax in frankfurt—100euro for a solid 1 hour session, good conversation, cob ending. no bj or penetration. good for an actual massage/conversation with happy ending—maybe good for a quick activity if you don't have a full day for fkk. probably much safer than rld.
also—have done thai massage in berlin at longma massage—more of a therapeutic massage with happy ending.
apartments: only sampled in berlin. kamilla dee is nice but no bbbj. liberty—less expensive and a lot of extras available. van kampfen—my first sw spot—nice looking girls, standard cbj/sex, but very limited service beyond that. apartments' strengths are the privacy. not sure if any good ones in frankfurt area.
rld? read a lot about it—did not go, sounds a bit scary and/or frustrating.
regards and thanks to all contributers whose reports have guided the way for my happy travels.
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Well I usually make 2 trips a year to Pussyland, but due to the damn volcano I had to cancel my usual spring trip. So next chance is late October. Since I could not go I guess I will have 2x the fun on the next trip. I really want to research more on organized gang bangs with limited number of dudes. I do love the public sex (guess thats why Germany is my preferred choice for sex-vacations.) In the mean time I will bone up on research. At least Tijuana is a short 2 hour drive to tide me over.
Thanks for the input. Without revealing too much, I've been in discussion with a certain woman, with whom I've spent considerable time, regarding this trip. Whether or not it comes to pass is entirely up to her. I've done this kind of thing before. If she wants to do it, viewing it as a vacation that she'll enjoy, knowing that the expense will be considerable, she'll quote a rate accordingly. If she doesn't want to do it and views it as work, she'll again quote a rate accordingly and it won't likely happen. In either case, I think we've done a good job of beating this issue to death.As other has written you have to consider that at least 50 % of the girls in FKKs have some kind of "protection" or contract with person or familiy outside the club. Most of the clubs has also strict rules for girls to meet customers outside the club. I expect quite a few the independent girls would have doubt to risk their relationship with the club, for only a few days vacation.
I did this with escort from Germany, back when the country still had deutsche mark as currency (1 hour escort had the pris of 40 DM = 20 Euro!)...but I think you should leave FKK alone and enjoy it as a club.
Well I usually make 2 trips a year to Pussyland, but due to the damn volcano I had to cancel my usual spring trip. So next chance is late October. Since I could not go I guess I will have 2x the fun on the next trip. I really want to research more on organized gang bangs with limited number of dudes. I do love the public sex (guess thats why Germany is my preferred choice for sex-vacations.) In the mean time I will bone up on research. At least Tijuana is a short 2 hour drive to tide me over.I suggest you check this website : http://www.gang-bang-party.de/
Well I usually make 2 trips a year to Pussyland, but due to the damn volcano I had to cancel my usual spring trip. So next chance is late October. Since I could not go I guess I will have 2x the fun on the next trip. I really want to research more on organized gang bangs with limited number of dudes. I do love the public sex (guess thats why Germany is my preferred choice for sex-vacations.) In the mean time I will bone up on research. At least Tijuana is a short 2 hour drive to tide me over.
I'd recommend the Lady Marmalade Parties in London. They are really fun, with limited guy/girl ratios, and are great value for money, being only 140 GBP for 2 hours. There is a separate thread in the London forum:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2757
R.
It has been a while since I was active in these forums, but I am still traveling to Germany a couple of times per year.
I don't know if this is common knowledge (nothing came up in forum searches), but I read that a new FKK club will be opening soon in Bamberg. The article linked below says it will be "Franconia's Largest Sex-Club", though I am not sure what kind of claim to fame that is (does Franconia have many other sex-clubs?). Still, it will be interesting as Bamberg is a place I like to visit. Supposed to open in June, if I understand correctly.
http://www.infranken.de/nc/nachrichten/lokales/artikelansicht/article/bamberg-bekommt-frankens-groessten-sex-club-53356.html
Visited Mainhattans website hoping to find some updates and clicked on "gastebuch" and noticed this right off the bat...
Dear ladies and gentlemen, our guestbook has opened. We woud be glad to receive your feedback. Your team of "Das 5. Element"
thought this club was being opened by world? if so, does world have ties with das5?
Hessen Bub
04-29-10, 10:35
Visited Mainhattans website
thought this club was being opened by world? if so, does world have ties with das5?
Mainhattan is opened by World, I don't think 5E has any shares. And I might have to correct myself: There seems to be no connection between World and Sharks.
HB
Does anyone know whether FKK hookers are STD tested regularly? Is it required by law, or is it up to the club?
My concern is, after my visit to Palace (and other FKKs), where I saw men from virtually every corner of the planet, that there should be quite a high risk of STD transmission for orally transmitted diseases.
Imagine doing OWO with a hooker who has been with five customers previously (one from Asia, one from Africa, one from America, one from Australia, one from Europe). You are literally exposing yourself to diseases from all around the world.
Does anyone know whether FKK hookers are STD tested regularly? Is it required by law, or is it up to the club?
My concern is, after my visit to Palace (and other FKKs), where I saw men from virtually every corner of the planet, that there should be quite a high risk of STD transmission for orally transmitted diseases.
Imagine doing OWO with a hooker who has been with five customers previously (one from Asia, one from Africa, one from America, one from Australia, one from Europe). You are literally exposing yourself to diseases from all around the world.
Aolini: Not too awfully long ago Asian Machine posed a very similar query: 996828 on this thread. There are a lot of good replies there.
I might also point out my slightly different take on the question:
997173 Hope I got the links right. You need to determine your own Risk Tolerance Level. Good Luck.
Myr
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Who held the fucking gun to your head and "forced" you to go to the Palace?
Stay home and jack off, then you will be 100% safe.
Does anyone know whether FKK hookers are STD tested regularly? Is it required by law, or is it up to the club?
My concern is, after my visit to Palace (and other FKKs), where I saw men from virtually every corner of the planet, that there should be quite a high risk of STD transmission for orally transmitted diseases.
Imagine doing OWO with a hooker who has been with five customers previously (one from Asia, one from Africa, one from America, one from Australia, one from Europe). You are literally exposing yourself to diseases from all around the world.
Who held the fucking gun to your head and "forced" you to go to the Palace?Is this a multiple choice question? I'll take the 50/50.
Stay home and jack off, then you will be 100% safe.I do that all the time, but I don't think I'm 100% safe.
I do that all the time, but I don't think I'm 100% safe.
Actually, you are quite correct, according to reports that I have read that argue that over / under masterbation can lead to chemical imbalances in the body, (Think Zinc for 1). The prostate is affected by too much / too little sex action. How much is correct differs based on age, but as a 50+ individual I am supposed to "exercise" my equipment 2x / week. I plan on over indulging on my up cuming trip;)
I do that all the time, but I don't think I'm 100% safe.
Have you tried using your left hand?
I do that all the time, but I don't think I'm 100% safe.
If you don't mind a little hair growing on your palm, you are probably quite safe.
April 2010 tour.
My latest tour in NRW, last April, starts on Friday 23, a few days after resumption of flights. I arrive with a delay of nearly 1h. I take the car and start driving towards the Hotel in Dusseldorf. Highway after highway, I remember at once that I have to buy those things not allowed in the hand held luggage: shaving foam, collutorium, body cream, etc.. So I decide to exit the highway, to continue via normal roads, hoping of finding a store of this stuff along the road. This apparently shouldn’t be difficult, I usually was fortunate in other occasions. But this time no. I find no store, instead at a certain point, while I am entering yet another village, I notice a suspect car, parked in shadow, alone under a tree. “What the hack is that?” I thought, “could it be…?”, I put my foot on the brake, but… flash! It’s too late. I make an U turn to check out. I realize the car is full accessorized with telemetry, camera, computers, etc., and a guy is peacefully sat on the passenger seat letting the machines do the job. The window glasses are lowered, so I approach the guy and ask him about my passage a few minutes before. The guy turns his head, like awaking from a nap. I am impressed by a piece of dried snot pending from his nose! He speaks only German, but I understand that he says I was driving too fast. Of course. The limit is 50 and, if the light flashed, I was driving > 59 km/h. He cannot tell how much is the fine because everything is automatic, I will receive it at home. All right guys. Welcome to Germany!
Getting fined in Germany (or the Netherlands), being used to Italian standards, is a somewhat higher risk. In fact this is the 3rd fine that I get, since I am doing these tours. However fines are relatively low. In the past I paid something like 15-35€, expenses included, and this time I hope it won't be different.
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april 2010 tour.
my latest tour in nrw, last april, starts on friday 23, a few days after resumption of flights. i arrive with a delay of nearly 1h. i take the car and start driving towards the hotel in dusseldorf. highway after highway, i remember at once that i have to buy those things not allowed in the hand held luggage: shaving foam, collutorium, body cream, etc.. so i decide to exit the highway, to continue via normal roads, hoping of finding a store of this stuff along the road. this apparently shouldn’t be difficult, i usually was fortunate in other occasions. but this time no. i find no store, instead at a certain point, while i am entering yet another village, i notice a suspect car, parked in shadow, alone under a tree. “what the hack is that?” i thought, “could it be…?”, i put my foot on the brake, but… flash! it’s too late. i make an u turn to check out. i realize the car is full accessorized with telemetry, camera, computers, etc., and a guy is peacefully sat on the passenger seat letting the machines do the job. the window glasses are lowered, so i approach the guy and ask him about my passage a few minutes before. the guy turns his head, like awaking from a nap. i am impressed by a piece of dried snot pending from his nose! he speaks only german, but i understand that he says i was driving too fast. of course. the limit is 50 and, if the light flashed, i was driving > 59 km/h. he cannot tell how much is the fine because everything is automatic, i will receive it at home. all right guys. welcome to germany!
getting fined in germany (or the netherlands), being used to italian standards, is a somewhat higher risk. in fact this is the 3rd fine that i get, since i am doing these tours. however fines are relatively low. in the past i paid something like 15-35€, expenses included, and this time i hope it won't be different.
next: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1017883&postcount=41duralong, as usual, your reports re fantastic. they read more like short stories and less like tales of chasing tail. i know now, but i did not know what that flash was, the first time that happened to me and a friend. we were doing 210 km/hr on the autobahn (no exaggeration) and we did not realize that we entered a construction zone with speed limits. we were "flashed" twice within 30 minutes and my buddy whose name was on the contract got a cc bill for 300 euros. of course i split it with him.
Duralong, As usual, your reports re fantastic...Thanks Vitrea. It's difficult however to please everybody. Go to the Acapulco thread and you will understand. These guys made me upset.
Perhaps I have exaggerated in my final reply. Do I?
Dominos Dick
05-11-10, 08:07
Anyone here has any experience with Svenjas Escort Frankfurt? www.Svenjas-escort.de was thinking of a girl by the name of jenny there quoting 660 euros for 5 hrs which seems ok compared to some of the ridiculous prices I have seen being quotes by others these gals earn more than lawyers it seems. Any feedback or suggestions will be welcome for Frankfurt.
Thanks
Hi gents,
I am hoping that some of the regulars will respond to my requests.
The last time I visited an FKK was when Atlantis was still open :(
(been visiting the Rio Termas though).
Now, I will stay in FRA for 3 days and plan to visit Palace, and Oase, and may be World.
I'd appreciate it if someone could point me to a post with directions to these FKKs.
Do the girls in FKK let you take pictures? The picture gallery here is non-existent!
(I have taken bunch of pictures in Termas in Rio).
How common is it for the girls to do anal?
Appreciate any info
B.
I'd appreciate it if someone could point me to a post with directions to these FKKs.
I can't point you to a specific post with directions, but if you go to Google maps and type "fkk world" or "fkk oase" in the search bar, it will take you right there. At that point, you can get directions to the clubs from anywhere you'd like.
I can't point you to a specific post with directions, but if you go to Google maps and type "fkk world" or "fkk oase" in the search bar, it will take you right there. At that point, you can get directions to the clubs from anywhere you'd like.
Great. Thank you.
What's the story with picture taking at the FKKs?
Not allowed?
Vito Corleone
05-14-10, 04:33
Great. Thank you.
What's the story with picture taking at the FKKs?
Not allowed?
You can walk around the club & take photos as long as you ask for permission. The women love to pose for photos especially around the bar area where the lighting is much better.
Gfe Finder
05-14-10, 05:07
Great. Thank you.
What's the story with picture taking at the FKKs?
Not allowed?
Officially, yes. As a practical matter, yes. A quick search on the subject in this thread can net you some advice to get pictures if you want to ignore these warnings and bring a camera.
Just confirmed my booking to Frankfurt tomorrow.... Cannot believe the number of empty seats on the plane over....
How is the action at the outdoor clubs, ie Oase & World? I notice that the weather is less than ideal: continual chance of rain, cloudy & only mid-teens for temp. Here it is sunny, high 20s, but no naked ladies. Guess you can't have it all.
Just confirmed my booking to Frankfurt tomorrow.... Cannot believe the number of empty seats on the plane over....
It's called Habs fever, Myr. No one wants to miss the dismantling of the Flyers.
Have fun.
It's called Habs fever, Myr. No one wants to miss the dismantling of the Flyers.
Have fun.
Oh... and here I thought it was cuz Dancing With The Stars was still runnin'.
I am more dedicated to brining my finacial relief "package" over for the ladies.
;)
Just confirmed my booking to Frankfurt tomorrow.... Cannot believe the number of empty seats on the plane over....
If I remember correctly you were set for a trip you had been planning for about a year, when suddenly it was aborted because of volcanic ash clouds, yes?
I note that just today there are renewed warnings of continued interruptions in flights. Shit! I sincerely hope that you will get out okay! Do you have a back up bankroll to see you through extended stay just in case you make it into Frankfurt, but volcanic activity next week strands you in Germany? Wouldn't that be a shame...?
O
how is the action at the outdoor clubs, ie oase & world? i notice that the weather is less than ideal: continual chance of rain, cloudy & only mid-teens for temp. here it is sunny, high 20s, but no naked ladies. guess you can't have it all.
my trip is about a week away...forecast so far show's the sun starting to peek out and the weather warming up somewhat. but we all know how accurate extended forecasts can be... i'll do my own forecast since it has about as much of a chance at being correct as the professionals: rain from 5am till 10am, clearing and sunshine the rest of the day.
an option that's worked for me in the past...stay flexible with your hotel arrangements and if you have a car, drive to clubs with better weather. take next wednesday for example...frankfurt has rain in the forecast whereas dusseldorf is partly cloudy and slightly warmer. what's a few extra dollars in gas compared to enjoying a nice sunny day outside?
If I remember correctly you were set for a trip you had been planning for about a year, when suddenly it was aborted because of volcanic ash clouds, yes?
I note that just today there are renewed warnings of continued interruptions in flights. Shit! I sincerely hope that you will get out okay! Do you have a back up bankroll to see you through extended stay just in case you make it into Frankfurt, but volcanic activity next week strands you in Germany? Wouldn't that be a shame...?
O
I am here... and I am prepared. Now, off to Palace, since the sun is shy today. (And it´s suspenders and socks tag! Oase tomorrow...
Thanks for the encouragement etc.
Can use a little bit of assistance putting together itinerary for upcoming trip.
This will be my second time. First time, I went to the Hessen 3 (Palace,Oase and World).
I will be arriving in Frankfurt on a Thursday afternoon June 3 and leaving June 10. I have plenty of time to venture out. I will rent a car.
For me, I want the best lineup possible. Would like to travel north on this trip, but I can use some advice on clubs and lodgings.
So, this is what I am thinking.
Date Hotel Club
Thursday June 3- Friedrichsdorf Mercure Oase
Friday same World
Saturday same Oase
Sunday ?? Golden Time
Monday ?? ??
Tuesday ?? ??
Wednesday Fleming's Palace
OR I just realized I can fly directly into Dusseldorf and fly out of Frankfurt on same dates. Would it make sense to spend the first leg in NRW and then go down to Hessen?????
Appreciate your help.
RWaters
OR I just realized I can fly directly into Dusseldorf and fly out of Frankfurt on same dates. Would it make sense to spend the first leg in NRW and then go down to Hessen?????
I would say yes. While some might offer that you don't want to miss Oase and World on Friday and Saturday, I'd counter that those two clubs are mostly likely to have acceptable lineups Sunday and beyond. So...hit Golden Time, Planet Happy Garden and choose one of: Finca, Bernd's, or Samya Thursday, Friday and Saturday and then head down to World and Oase. You don't mention Palace, despite your staying at Fleming's, so I guess you know enough and don't need to be warned.
OR I just realized I can fly directly into Dusseldorf and fly out of Frankfurt on same dates. Would it make sense to spend the first leg in NRW and then go down to Hessen?????You could definitely travel from Dusseldorf area to Frankfurt area without much difficulty and visit clubs at all points in between!
If I were taking that approach, the following would be my itinerary.
Thurs (3rd): GoldenTime possibly head on to Livingroom for a reduced entry fee!
Fri (4th): Planet Happy Garden or possibly VillaVertigo
Sat (5th): World (Best day to visit World particularly if you like to stay in the club til very late)
Sun (6th): Das5element (for a more restful day, theraputic massage included in entry price) OR if you want a bigger hooker line-up Oase
Mon (7th): World
Tue (8th): Oase
Wed (9th): Palace (Personally I would probably not go to Palace but maybe you like the place)
I'm sure it will be a good trip, no matter what selection of clubs you choose :D
Cheers
CD
Captain Dan and Regnaud
I am thinking of following your advice....to start in Dusseldorf.
Will I need more than 2 days.....Thursday will be short as I fly in early afternoon.
I may want to go to Golden Time more than 1 day. Which club has the best lineups in NRW after Golden Time.
World is great. I was at the Faschings party. Is it a big step down to go to World on Sunday instead of Saturday.
Yeah, I can knock palace off the list.
Where do most people stay in NRW--at the ETAP???
THanks for the help.
Captain Dan and Regnaud
I am thinking of following your advice....to start in Dusseldorf.
Will I need more than 2 days.....Thursday will be short as I fly in early afternoon.
I may want to go to Golden Time more than 1 day. Which club has the best lineups in NRW after Golden Time.
World is great. I was at the Faschings party. Is it a big step down to go to World on Sunday instead of Saturday.
Yeah, I can knock palace off the list.
Where do most people stay in NRW--at the ETAP???
THanks for the help.
I've only been to NRW once. Stayed at an eTap just off the ring road on the west side of Koeln.
I generally like Sundays at both World and Oase. It's quiet and there's still enough of a talent pool to satisfy the smaller crowd. One of my best days ever was a Sunday at Oase a couple of years back. I'd met the legendary Michelle for the first time the previous Friday. When I returned on Sunday, she greeted me at the door with a huge smile and it was off to the races.
Around toward early evening the place was really quiet, the girls vastly outnumbering the boys. I was sitting by myself in the Death to Ye Who Dares Breathe the Air lounge, when Michelle came over and sat down. It wasn't long before her head was in my lap and I spent the better part of the next hour massaging and fondling her delectable body. I was finished playing for the day, or so I thought, but at one point Michelle started playing with herself. That was way too much for me to take and it wasn't long before we were looking for a room for one last go round.
Where do most people stay in NRW--at the ETAP???
THanks for the help.
I would recommend this Etap hotel because of its central position w.r.t. the different clubs.
Etap Hotel Duesseldorf West Willich (http://www.etaphotel.com/de/hotel-2622-etap-hotel-etap-hotel-duesseldorf-west-will/index.shtml)
B30
My last sunday at Oase was legendary. Yes legendary. Ending up in the whirlpool with 9 hot naked babes, all of whom are trying in some degree or another to entice me into a room for their last 50 euro's of the night. Made sure I was positioned right next to the button that controlled the side jets to hide their 'attempts' at seduction.
Never im my life have I had such fun with so many women free of charge.
So...the decision is whether or not to spend the weekend in NRW or Hessen.
Nice to have this choice. Need to decide today!
It's a good question, where would board members choose for a weekend Hessen (Palace and Oase) or NRW (Golden time, Living Room).
Rwaters
It's a good question, where would board members choose for a weekend Hessen (Palace and Oase) or NRW (Golden time, Living Room).
Rwaters
Regarding Palace, let me defer to my favorite lexicographer, Ambrose Bierce: once, adv. Enough.
The club with the strongest line-up in NRW is GoldenTime.
After that you are probably looking at Livingroom, Planet Happy Garden more or less at the same sort of level, and then VillaVertigo which is more plush.
Why not go to GoldenTime on Thursday and repeat on Friday if you want?
If GoldenTime gets too busy head to one of the other clubs!
The Etaps are always popular (up in NRW and Hessen) as are the Mercure Hotel chain (if you want a slightly more comfortable type of Hotel).
In NRW the Park Inn Dusseldorf Kaarst offers a good internet rate.
This is your trip and no harm in repeating clubs.
If the only clubs you visit are GoldenTime, World and Oase because you decided to repeat, what is wrong with that?
Go with the flow! BUT always have a backup plan!
CD
Captain Dan and Regnaud
I am thinking of following your advice....to start in Dusseldorf.
Will I need more than 2 days.....THanks for the help.
Just what probably is a dumb question: I'm traveling to Germany on Sunday night. I understand that Monday, May 24th, is a holiday in Germany. As a general rule, are FKKs and PTs open or closed on Monday holidays? Or, is it up to the individual establishment? I haven't been across the pond in quite a while and I plan on doing a lot of partying. I'd hate to lose a day because of a holiday!
Thanks,
Max
Hessen Bub
05-21-10, 07:24
Just what probably is a dumb question: I'm traveling to Germany on Sunday night. I understand that Monday, May 24th, is a holiday in Germany. As a general rule, are FKKs and PTs open or closed on Monday holidays? Or, is it up to the individual establishment? I haven't been across the pond in quite a while and I plan on doing a lot of partying. I'd hate to lose a day because of a holiday!
As a general rule they will all be open.
HB
As a general rule they will all be open.
HB
That is true but also a a general rule they will open not on the usal Monday Times but at the Sunday Times.
For most clubs this means they open at 13 hr and not 11hr.
B30
Captain Dan et al.
I have booked my flight to arrive in Dusseldorf and depart Frankfurt.
I am arriving late on a Thursday afternoon. I have read that GT is a mob scene on Thursdays so it may make sense to give another club a try. Not sure which club for a Thursday (Happy Garden, Living Room or Villa Vertigo-suggestions are welcome).
I will stay in NRW for 3 or 4 nights at the ETAP or Park Inn Kaarst. The Park Inn Kaarst looks better than ETAP and has a good online rate....but they charge 17 euros a day for wifi...WTF!!!
I will rent a car from Sixt. If I declare myself a German resident it saves me 20%. Cool.
Should I stay in NRW on Sunday or head to Hessen and be at Oase? Which clubs in NRW are well staffed on a Sunday???
Anybody around on weekend of June 4th?
Thanks for assistance.
Rwaters
The club with the strongest line-up in NRW is GoldenTime.
After that you are probably looking at Livingroom, Planet Happy Garden more or less at the same sort of level, and then VillaVertigo which is more plush.
Why not go to GoldenTime on Thursday and repeat on Friday if you want?
If GoldenTime gets too busy head to one of the other clubs!
The Etaps are always popular (up in NRW and Hessen) as are the Mercure Hotel chain (if you want a slightly more comfortable type of Hotel).
In NRW the Park Inn Dusseldorf Kaarst offers a good internet rate.
This is your trip and no harm in repeating clubs.
If the only clubs you visit are GoldenTime, World and Oase because you decided to repeat, what is wrong with that?
Go with the flow! BUT always have a backup plan!
CD
Friedberger
05-21-10, 20:09
If you are staying at the Park Inn Kaarst, you will be about a 5 minute walk from Living Room and the line up there are the moment is excellent.
Captain Dan et al.
I have booked my flight to arrive in Dusseldorf and depart Frankfurt.
I am arriving late on a Thursday afternoon. I have read that GT is a mob scene on Thursdays so it may make sense to give another club a try. Not sure which club for a Thursday (Happy Garden, Living Room or Villa Vertigo-suggestions are welcome).
I will stay in NRW for 3 or 4 nights at the ETAP or Park Inn Kaarst. The Park Inn Kaarst looks better than ETAP and has a good online rate....but they charge 17 euros a day for wifi...WTF!!!
I will rent a car from Sixt. If I declare myself a German resident it saves me 20%. Cool.
Should I stay in NRW on Sunday or head to Hessen and be at Oase? Which clubs in NRW are well staffed on a Sunday???
Anybody around on weekend of June 4th?
Thanks for assistance.
Rwaters
The answers to your questions are very subjective, as my particular preferences may not be yours but I'll give it a shot!
I am arriving late on a Thursday afternoon. I have read that GT is a mob scene on Thursdays so it may make sense to give another club a try. Not sure which club for a Thursday (Happy Garden, Living Room or Villa Vertigo-suggestions are welcome).You are correct GoldenTime can be busy on Thursdays, so pick any from Planet Happy Garden or VillaVertigo. Remember VillaVertigo is a plusher experience but as I have not been to either club for a while, I cannot advise on the better hooker line-up. Living Room is a smaller club and lacks the facilities which the other bigger clubs offer. It is a good place to go for just a few hours and you will get a reduced entry fee if you are travelling from GoldenTime. LivingRoom stays open later than the other clubs (until 3 a.m.). I prefer to stay in a club for most of the day (normally 8 to 10 hours) so I would normally only go to LivingRoom after coming from GoldenTime.
Should I stay in NRW on Sunday or head to Hessen and be at Oase? Which clubs in NRW are well staffed on a Sunday???GoldenTime is always well staffed, so perhaps a good bet for Sunday. Avoid VillaVertigo on Sunday as they have free entry for guys who have been to the club at least once the previous week. I believe that the joint can get very crowded.
Gfe Finder
05-22-10, 00:33
Just what probably is a dumb question: I'm traveling to Germany on Sunday night. I understand that Monday, May 24th, is a holiday in Germany. As a general rule, are FKKs and PTs open or closed on Monday holidays? Or, is it up to the individual establishment? I haven't been across the pond in quite a while and I plan on doing a lot of partying. I'd hate to lose a day because of a holiday!
Thanks,
Max
is that Bernds is closed (as they are on all German holidays) and World is open (3 guests for the price of 2 on Mondays.) I'm >99% sure that Palace and Oase are open as well. That is to say that I couldn't find any information on their respective website saying that they're closed and if what I remember is still correct, the Hessen 3 only close for Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve.
I will rent a car from Sixt. If I declare myself a German resident it saves me 20%. Cool.
They're going to ask to see your driver's license. Best of luck if it isn't German.
You might want to try sixti rather than sixt. If you don't mind a sub-compact or Smartcar, they might just save you a lot of mone.
They're going to ask to see your driver's license. Best of luck if it isn't German.
You might want to try sixti rather than sixt. If you don't mind a sub-compact or Smartcar, they might just save you a lot of mone.
Had no problem in February. Many members on the board have never had a problem by declaring themselves German residents. Have you ever tried it?
Sixti does not allow drop off to be at a different spot than pick up. Do not like the Smartcar. Last time I had a Cooper BMW....it was great.
They're going to ask to see your driver's license. Best of luck if it isn't German....
I have done this...let's see....about 100 times. The staff at the counters don't give a rat's ass what your drivers license says.
I have done this...let's see....about 100 times. The staff at the counters don't give a rat's ass what your drivers license says.
Absolutely spot on, Henio! Plus, having a driving license from another EU country is not unsual when you live (and rent cars) in another. You could have more than one business addresses and still have a driving license from any other EU (or even non-EU country). It is faulty logic to say Non-German Driving License = Not Resident in Germany.
O
Hessen Bub
05-22-10, 20:09
Depends on how long you live permanently here in Germany. You will have to acquire a German driving license one day. Don't know the exact time span.
HB
Depends on how long you live permanently here in Germany. You will have to acquire a German driving license one day. Don't know the exact time span.
HB
Nevertheless, the car hire companies don't ask if you are a permanent resident or a temporary resident. To simply say you are resident in Germany and present a non-German driving license is, for lack of a better phrase, totally kosher...
O
Just to add to the resident vs. non-resident and car hire prices:
When I first started renting as local many years ago, I checked out the EU rules on price discrimination and found out that as an EU national, you cannot be charged a higher price than local residents when buying products or services anywhere else in the EU, unless the price difference is justified (such as shipping costs or f.ex communal services subsidised by local tax). The european commission even makes the car hire thing an example of unlawful discrimination so if anyone at the counter ever makes a fuzz about it, tell them they are breaking the law.
If they persist, then take the next step here: http://ec.europa.eu/citizensrights/front_end/css_solvit_en.cfm. It is free for you but will be pain in the ass for the rental company
Again: Trust me, you will not have a problem with this, even if you are not resident of EU.
Depends on how long you live permanently here in Germany. You will have to acquire a German driving license one day. Don't know the exact time span.
HB
If you move to another country within EU, you can drive there with your current licence as long as it remains valid, but you can only have your licence renewed by the authorities of the country where you are registered as a resident.
Basketcase
05-23-10, 19:11
I have booked my flight to arrive in Dusseldorf and depart Frankfurt.
I am arriving late on a Thursday afternoon. I have read that GT is a mob scene on Thursdays so it may make sense to give another club a try. Not sure which club for a Thursday (Happy Garden, Living Room or Villa Vertigo-suggestions are welcome).
I will stay in NRW for 3 or 4 nights at the ETAP or Park Inn Kaarst. The Park Inn Kaarst looks better than ETAP and has a good online rate....but they charge 17 euros a day for wifi...WTF!!!
I will rent a car from Sixt. If I declare myself a German resident it saves me 20%. Cool.
Should I stay in NRW on Sunday or head to Hessen and be at Oase? Which clubs in NRW are well staffed on a Sunday???
Anybody around on weekend of June 4th?
Rwaters,
Good to see you coming back to Germany. It seems that you found a reason to come back from your last visit late last year. We have met so I know your mettle and your girl type. Sorry you missed out on that little dark haired Hungarian at World. I did not know she was going to spend 2.5 hours hanging out with me.
I like it since you have clearly have done your home work before posting your questions on the forum.
I have done the DUS to FRA run many times although by a margin of 3 to 1 I have done FRA to DUS instead since FRA is the main aerial gateway into Germany for many.
I am planning something similar as you since I have some time due me and it would invariably start on a Thursday. Also a crew and I are also conducting a NRW tour soon as well. Although we do not overlap on timing.
Golden Time is well attended on a Thursday but then Golden Time seems to be busy any day of the week but it just seems Thursdays is considered one of the busiest days.
You arrive 3 June in DUS if I understand correctly. If it were me I would go to GT for 3 June just for the fact that you are onto a sure fire winner at GT where there are good girls and they only charge 75 euro per hour. Entrance is 50 euro and if you are up for it go for a night cap at Living Room to 3 am leaving GT at say between 9-10pm to make sure you get a decent stint at Living Room.
Friday, 4 June is for Villa Vertigo where there is no set closing time. There is a DJ on and the party really gets going. The reason I pick Friday for VV is because on Saturday the club does not open untill 1pm due to the late closing on Friday instead of previously it was 11am opening on Saturday. Sunday is always 1pm opening as it is Sunday and it is NRW.
On Saturday, 5 June it is a tough choice. Maybe back to GT if there was a girl that took your heart at GT or maybe head over to Samya in Cologne since it is Saturday there is late closing to 2 or 3 am. Since this would be my third day I would be looking for a rest and maybe Park Sauna Residenz is in order for the lower line up in turns of quantity and quality so that you can concentrate on the wellness facilities and a la carte menu that is cooked fresh for you from a menu of 5-6 items. By the third day I am flagging and these marathon runs can take it out of you. I quite like my jaunts in and out for a couple of days. Three days is pushing it and four days mean I have to really pace myself and 5 days I am going stir crazy. But hey this is the guy that did 20 clubs in just over three weeks recently.
On Sunday, 6 June it may be worth a trip to Hessen and Sunday early morning runs from NRW to FFM can be less hectic since the traffic has not built up. There have been times on the A5 heading down to FFM from NRW on a Sunday that the traffic has been hell since it is a nice day and everyone is on the move. If I was staying in NRW for Sunday the best line up is GT so head there but one may not be able to resist the burgers on Sundays at Planet Happy Garden which is a lot different to pizza at Golden Time.
If you hit Monday in Hessen then to keep the travelling down go to World for a nice slow day but if you are after some more sex and line up then go to Oase. I say Monday for World since it is FKK naked day and the drive is less from NRW if you stay in Wetzlar or Linden or Giessen.
Tuesday, 8 June move south closer to FFM by going to Oase. Stay in the Bad Homburg Kreuz area or in Bad Homburg town or in Friedrichsdorf like you did last time you did our FKK tour and go to Oase.
Wednesday, 9 June is tricky since based on what I have been saying moving ever more South is what is left? Palace. It is dessous day on Wednesdays. If you do not like your girls dressed then head back to Oase or World or try a new club like Sharks in Darmstadt for the novelty. Maybe also think about Das 5 Element for the excellent facilities and relaxation with girls that do not hassle you. If you go to Sharks be prepared to leave head back to one of the bigger clubs. Palace is good any time and should remain a safe option on a Wednesday.
Thursday, 10 June. Go home? If not, go to World as Thursdays is dessous tag at Oase.
Rwaters, these are just my thoughts. You decide.
Gotta say Rwaters that the itinerary as set out by Basketcase is pretty damn good. I would definitely recommend BC's thinking on this to you.
CD
Rwaters, these are just my thoughts. You decide.
BC
Your itinerary is great. I will follow most of it.
You did not list hotels, restaurants, highway rest areas, petrol stations---just kidding.
Your comprehensive thought to detail is much appreciated.
Thanks
RW
I'll be up in NRW myself in a few weeks time. I think I will go with BC's itinerary myself!
CD
BC
Your itinerary is great. I will follow most of it.
Dear Fellow Mongerers,
Coming with my friend over the weekend to NRW, he likes Palace and Oase type of places a lot, I like Living room and Samya. Never been to Golden Time, Bernds or PHG for example. Should we drive to Oase or try one of these?
My report will follow.
Hi guys,
I'll be around in Dusseldorf from Thursday 24 to Sunday 27 of June.
I think I'm going to stay at Hotel Terminus in Am Wehrhahn 81, because I already liked last summer and there is a good restaurant at 100mt around, with salf made beer, and very good grilled meat plates!
For Friday and Saturday I think to visit the couple of partytreffs in Erkrath and Dormagen, but I wish visit the nightlife for Thursday night and I don't know where I can find free clubs like pubs or disco's.
My plane arrive at 16. 30 in Weeze, then I'll rent a car, so I think I can be in Dussi for 18. 00. Then a shower and some walk, at 20. 00 dinner. And I would look for some nightlife.
Can you suggest some clubs?
I really appreciate!
Danke shoen!
Tschuss
Vito Corleone
05-28-10, 01:10
Dear Fellow Mongerers,
Coming with my friend over the weekend to NRW, he likes Palace and Oase type of places a lot, I like Living room and Samya. Never been to Golden Time, Bernds or PHG for example. Should we drive to Oase or try one of these?
My report will follow.
Artemis is worth a visit!
Vito Corleone
05-28-10, 01:13
Hi guys,
I'll be around in Dusseldorf from Thursday 24 to Sunday 27 of June.
My plane arrive at 16. 30 in Weeze, then I'll rent a car, so I think I can be in Dussi for 18. 00. Then a shower and some walk, at 20. 00 dinner. And I would look for some nightlife.
Can you suggest some clubs?
I really appreciate!
Danke shoen!
Tschuss
Dolce Vita is a decent club located in Duss. You should try to arrive before 8pm as the entry price is lower & the price for sessions are also lower. They provide a BBQ dinner around 7pm or so.
Dolce Vita is a decent club located in Duss. You should try to arrive before 8pm as the entry price is lower & the price for sessions are also lower. They provide a BBQ dinner around 7pm or so.Thank you Vito,
But I was looking for a non pay-sex night for the first night, I mean night-life with discos not pay-sex clubs as fkks.
Eventually after a night spent to discover the nightlife, maybe I'll take a tour of the red-light district, but at the end of the night. I think red light will be in the HBF station zone I suppose.
Dolce Vita I think it's a normal fkk. I was looking for normal non pay-sex clubs for the first night.
Does Dusseldorf has a nightlife parallel to the sex-clubs?
Danke shoen, tschuss.
Artemis is worth a visit!Dear Vito,
I agree, we both like Artemis a lot, but it is in Berlin and we are going to be in NRW.
I'm traveling to the NWR-area in the end of June. So far I have discovered La Luna Club, Club Tabulos and Grimberg-Sauna.coming from Sweden this was a really nice experience and now I'm looking for some new ones.
Can anyone give me som suggestions of simular places, perhaps with prettier girls, women? I would really like to see some new places that provide the same types of services but I like to discover new places and look forward to new adventures.
I will have a hotelroom in Moers and a rental car which means that it will be possible for me to move around if I get some interesting suggestions of places to visit.
Thanks in advance and I wish everyone a pleasant summer!
Angus Magee
06-01-10, 08:23
....for brothels. I assume FKK fit this description.
See my post in German General Info thread.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1026954&postcount=317
AM
To those who have visited Artemis, did you guys usually fly directly to Berlin or to some other cities and then drive few hours to Artemis? I've never been to Berlin. I'm not into taking trains because it's not that convenient and doesn't give me the kind of freedom to go wherever/whenever I want.
Say if you have a week of mongering and renting a car, is it logistically practical to drive back and forth among, say, Frankfurt, Berlin, and NWR? Has anyone done that kind of multi cities thing? Is it too far to even consider doing this by car, or is it just too much time wasting driving on the road? I've driven between Frankfurt and NWR before, but that was only 2 hours drive. It's not the same as driving 5 to 6 hours each way between Frankfurt and Berlin or between NWR and Berlin. How would you go about doing this kind of tour logistically?
Any suggestion?
Australiasucks
06-07-10, 11:58
I am currently in Dusseldorf.
Does anyone know of any good FKK clubs in the area?
I am currently in Dusseldorf.
Does anyone know of any good FKK clubs in the area?There are none.
Australiasucks
06-09-10, 20:16
Most of the better FKK clubs seem to be around Koln and not Dusseldorf, I will probably center myself around there next time I am in Germany.
Basketcase
06-10-10, 00:23
to those who have visited artemis, did you guys usually fly directly to berlin or to some other cities and then drive few hours to artemis? i've never been to berlin. i'm not into taking trains because it's not that convenient and doesn't give me the kind of freedom to go wherever/whenever i want.
when i have been to artemis i got to berlin by aeroplane into tiegel or schonefeld or by train to berlin hbf from another entry city like frankfurt am main or fulda. i have not driven to berlin before but i know many girls that do from cologne, dusselfdorf and frankfurt to work. i know some guys that do club tours by car starting off in nrw moving to hesse and then up to berlin or maybe keep heading south to bayern and badem wurtemberg for the clubs there. few keep travelling further south to say switzerland i find. better to fly or take a train if going that far to the swiss clubs.
i found the trains to be quiet, fast, comfortable, but not overly cheap compared to flying unless purchased well in advance or if you have a die bahn discount card. i never get around to applying for a die bahn card since i prefer to drive.
say if you have a week of mongering and renting a car, is it logistically practical to drive back and forth among, say, frankfurt, berlin, and nwr? has anyone done that kind of multi cities thing? is it too far to even consider doing this by car, or is it just too much time wasting driving on the road? i've driven between frankfurt and nwr before, but that was only 2 hours drive. it's not the same as driving 5 to 6 hours each way between frankfurt and berlin or between nwr and berlin. how would you go about doing this kind of tour logistically?
any suggestion? yes, it is practical to drive from ffm to berlin and then to nrw in a circuit. i know of people that have done such a trip before. you just have to be prepared for the long drives (5-6 hours as you say) and the cost of benzin that is paid locally. the more usual tour that foreigners do on their fkk and sauna club tours is nrw to hesse or vice versa. one way between frankfurt am main and dusselfdorf is maybe 230 km so frankfurt am main to golden time in bruggen is around 270 km to give you an idea of distance - as you say it is about 2 hours driving. on the autobahns you can speed along at quite high speeds when there is no restrictions.
frankfurt am main to say stuttgart to visit fkk paradise is around 2 hours drive too. my friend can do it in 1 hour 20 minutes as his record. he has a thing for a girl at that club so when he and goes there he wants to be quick so he can ease the desire that hangs a heavy weight in his testicles.
Persian Fellow
06-10-10, 05:15
Hi All,
I have to go from Den Haag to Hannover by rail and unfortunately I don't have enough time.
What I want to know is :
Where is the best fkk place to stay for 2~3 hours without too much waste of time to get there in that journey?
Thanks in advance and money is not an issue.
Fellow
Angus Magee
06-10-10, 06:55
To those who have visited Artemis, did you guys usually fly directly to Berlin or to some other cities and then drive few hours to Artemis? I've never been to Berlin. I'm not into taking trains because it's not that convenient and doesn't give me the kind of freedom to go wherever/whenever I want.
Say if you have a week of mongering and renting a car, is it logistically practical to drive back and forth among, say, Frankfurt, Berlin, and NWR? Has anyone done that kind of multi cities thing? Is it too far to even consider doing this by car, or is it just too much time wasting driving on the road? I've driven between Frankfurt and NWR before, but that was only 2 hours drive. It's not the same as driving 5 to 6 hours each way between Frankfurt and Berlin or between NWR and Berlin. How would you go about doing this kind of tour logistically?
Any suggestion?
Hi SP,
Sorry this one seems to have been missed. The logistics of touring can be, and indeed have been, discussed endlessly in the various threads. I, being of a simple nature, just decide which clubs I want to visit and then visit them.Much as I love Artemis I am not sure it is so very different from what can be found else where that I would drive the extra 6 or so hours to visit. Unless you also have the desire to see Berlin's non P4P sights & sounds I would say stick to the area around Frankfurt & Duselldorf as there is a much higher concentration of FKK.
If you can, say, fly into Berlin, rent a car, drive to Dusseldorf then south to Frankfurt where you drop the car and fly out, then certainly the drive is quite manageable. It would take just a morning to get from Berlin to around Dusseldorf.
My suggestion is to come up with an itinerary/list of preferences, then post it here and see if anyone has input. Forum members are much more likely to help if you show forethought and preparation when asking for input.
Hope it all works out.
AM
Angus Magee
06-10-10, 12:46
Not really, technically speaking, FKK related but here are a selection of international beauties I'm sure many of us would not mind running into at an FKK to help celebrate.
http://funnycrave.com/sexy-world-cup-fans/14493/
AM
For those of you who rent cars from Hertz, you now must provide a German address as "proof" of residency to get the better rates. The low weekend rates also require you to give a flight number. You can provide a fake one, but you must fill in something on the form. If you change the residency to allow a foreign address, the system automatically switches you to the higher rates.
Hessen Bub
06-15-10, 12:07
That does include a hotel address?
HB
That does include a hotel address?
HB
I don't see why not. A residence can be temporary while a domacile is considered more permanent.
Basketcase
06-16-10, 07:21
For those of you who rent cars from Hertz, you now must provide a German address as "proof" of residency to get the better rates. The low weekend rates also require you to give a flight number. You can provide a fake one, but you must fill in something on the form. If you change the residency to allow a foreign address, the system automatically switches you to the higher rates.When I have put down my hotel address for booking the Hertz airport weekend special or any other specials. When I go to collect the rental car from Hertz in Frankfurt, the Hertz reception still ask for my home billing address. My home address is written on my drivers licence but they are asking in the context of "where is the best place to contact you". I still get the special car rental rate of 26€ though regardless. If I remember right there is a 250 Km limit per day on the airport weekend special.
I fly into Frankfurt anyway so I always have a flight number.
I drove a Hertz rental car this past weekend in Germany. It cost me 79.59€ for 2 days with unlimited mileage, airport levy and standard insurance. I booked it quite late though. My next Hertz rental in June costs me 79.81€ for 3 days with unlimited mileage, airport levy and standard insurance. The third Hertz rental I have booked in July is 451€ for 16 days with unlimited mileage, airport levy and standard insurance.The rental after that costs me 112.02€ for 4 days with unlimited mileage, airport levy and standard insurance.
I know when I use Avis Basic it usually only is 23€ a day even when I book 2 days before I am to go. When I priced 16 days rental car with Avis Basic the price was 368€ for a VW Polo.
Angus Magee
06-21-10, 17:17
Has anyone else noticed that the time given in which to edit a post has decreased considerably? I am sure that I used to be able to edit a post up to 24 hours after having made the post. Not it seems I have just a couple of hours.
Or is this the way it always has been and I just thought it longer?
AM
Gfe Finder
06-21-10, 18:24
Has anyone else noticed that the time given in which to edit a post has decreased considerably? I am sure that I used to be able to edit a post up to 24 hours after having made the post. Not it seems I have just a couple of hours.
Or is this the way it always has been and I just thought it longer?
AM
I've noticed this too and asked about it. I've not heard anything yet as to why this was changed.
Basketcase
06-22-10, 08:30
Has anyone else noticed that the time given in which to edit a post has decreased considerably? I am sure that I used to be able to edit a post up to 24 hours after having made the post. Not it seems I have just a couple of hours.
Or is this the way it always has been and I just thought it longer?
AM
Angus Magee,
Indeed the time to edit in my instances has been reduced to less than 8 hours. I have yet to sit in front of the computer screen to see exactly when the time cut off is but based on a recent session I found that within 8 hours (stunden) a post that I had sent was not able to be edited thereafter. I was trying to add more information to the post but since I cannot add more information to the post since I cannot edit I cannot add more information.
As I prepare to depart these shores for a week of fun and games in Hessen, I have a couple of questions.
1. I've never visited the clubs during the temperate months and expect to spend a great deal of time admiring the girls in the out of doors. I'm rather fair skinned and am predisposed toward burning. I also shudder at the thought of running off for a dalliance with a fair maiden while covered in sunscreen. How do others deal with this difficulty?
2. My days will probably being with waking around 6 am, watching the last few innings of the Red Sox game on my iPad, the Sox conveniently playing on the west coast this week, while enjoying a morning cup of joe. I'll dress around nine, go off in search of breakfast, and head off to hit the club between noon and one. Hence, I'll be attired no more than 4-5 hours each day. Is it really necessary to bring with me more than two changes of clothes?
3. Has anyone encountered any difficulty bringing an iPad or Kindle into a club? (One can only spend so many hours each day fucking and they DO charge for it.)
Thanks. See some of you soon.
Italy 1974
06-22-10, 15:18
Hello,
Here are my quick answers:
1. Before going to the room just take a shower: after the deed go for the sunscreen again.
2. If you are goung to stay a week I suggest to bring at least 3/4 changes of clothes.
3. No problem for ipad, as there is no camera embedded.
Italy 1974
As I prepare to depart these shores for a week of fun and games in Hessen, I have a couple of questions.
1. I've never visited the clubs during the temperate months and expect to spend a great deal of time admiring the girls in the out of doors. I'm rather fair skinned and am predisposed toward burning. I also shudder at the thought of running off for a dalliance with a fair maiden while covered in sunscreen. How do others deal with this difficulty?
2. My days will probably being with waking around 6 am, watching the last few innings of the Red Sox game on my iPad, the Sox conveniently playing on the west coast this week, while enjoying a morning cup of joe. I'll dress around nine, go off in search of breakfast, and head off to hit the club between noon and one. Hence, I'll be attired no more than 4-5 hours each day. Is it really necessary to bring with me more than two changes of clothes?
3. Has anyone encountered any difficulty bringing an iPad or Kindle into a club? (One can only spend so many hours each day fucking and they DO charge for it.)
Thanks. See some of you soon.
Hessen Bub
06-22-10, 16:24
1. Take a shower. It's free.
2. WTF???? You will be wearing a towel inside the club so where is the question?
3. I have seen a guy with a Kindle at Oase, no problems. I don't ink an iPad will cause any probs as mobile phones, PDAs, BBs or iPhones do not.
HB
I am driving a friend to Berlin and thereafter I have almost a week of spending in Germanys FKK´s. What would be the best clubs to visit? I know it can be subjective but try to see it in an objective way.
Thanks!
Basketcase
06-22-10, 21:40
I am doing a 4 day trip this weekend to the State of Nord Rhein Westfalen in Germany. Clubs on the list include but not exclusively limited to:
Golden Time and Living Room for the same day combo for 75 euro entrance fees so you can stay up to 3am at Living Room, Hessen Bub's opinion that Golden Time is full of MILFs has a ring of truth when the line up list on another forum is reviewed. I always find some really great looking girls at Golden Time and I expect the same of Living Room as well given recent reports on ISG. I do enjoy the 25 euro extra for FT finish and 50 euro for anal sex of Golden Time and Living Room;
Samya in Cologne was visited by one of my travelling companions last week and he says the line up was pedestrian, but it does not close until say 3 am on a Saturday;
Villa Vertigo since we have all been fooled by the hype and the great pictures on the website and the blog. There is the swimming pool and the open ended closing time on Fridays and Saturdays;
Yin Yang in NL since it is off the beaten path and it has been refurbished so the wellness facilities are top notch. I have many fond memories of dancing with the girls in this club and cooking my own food on the grill in the kitchen;
I was intrigued by some English speaking Dutch that say Park Sauna Residenz is well worth a look for the facilities and the food cooked fresh, even some English spoken as first language visitors say it has great facilities but he girl lie up is second tier;
We did think of Planet Happy Garden but maybe we leave that for Sunday so we can indulge in hamburgers instead of pizza late in the evening.
I was shouted down when I suggested to my travelling companions that we go to Bernds. I do not know why. The Bernds service is legendary but you say that service is not a big concern.
Oase was rather mediocre on my last 5 visits with the most recent being the past weekend. In the day time the place is full of MILFs. It is only at night does the beauties turn up but then again many are not that young. Oase is a darkly lit club so you must take that into account. It is very much of the same girls you see all the time and so many new ones that are quite average. The regular girls complain about the new girls and the new girls complain that there was no business. I mean you work for a 12-15 hour day in the club for two rooms earning 100 euro. She pays 65 euro as entrance fee to the club and 10 euro for your dorm bed so that is a base of 75 euro spent from your 100 euro earnings and then maybe you smoke the other 25 euro or have a cocktail at 5 euro or take a red bull or lose it on the poker machine.
I think Palace is a great club and the line up is superb. You have many great looking girls working at this club. There are also girls that are ex Oase, ex Golden Time, ex Artemis, ex Paradise, ex World working at Palace and the ones that say so say that they prefer Palace.
To conclude this post what we did do in the end was:
Day 1: Golden Time, Bruggen and Living Room, Kaarst
Reasons:
The GT and LR combo entry for 75 euro allows us to have clubbing to 3am closing at LR.
My little girl was working at LR.
Since it was mid week it would not be too busy like a weekend day. This was true of this visit and so we were not awash with Ice Bears.
The food is excellent. The main meal consisted of barbequed meats and salads.
Day 2: Villa Vertigo, Grerath
Reasons:
Open ended closing to 3 or 4 am.
The late open end closing allowed one of us to collect a companion arriving late into Germany and still have time to come back to the club and have time to enjoy themselves
The party atmosphere is like World where it feels the girls are there to party and not to work (fuck the men). You can come to this club and not fuck any girls since the girls do not approach and in my experience you have to chase the girls and directly ask for a session and even then you cannot be guaranteed a session since the girl can say no to you for various reasons including she is waiting for her regular customer wo does book her.
The food is very good here. We had barbeque meats, salads and chocolate mousse for sweet.
Coming to VV on any of Monday to Saturday allows one free entry on Sunday if you give your name at the front desk to the Thekefrau who takes your locker number.
The Thekefrau speaks perfect english and is really friendly giving you a smile whenever you walk past.
You see many staff members that used to work at Golden Time.
By chance the seniors from Ice Bears, the seniors from the French forum and we were in the club all at the same time swelling the party atmosphere and sharing knowledge on the line up and what other clubs offer.
Day 3: World, Polheim
Reasons:
Two of my companions rate World has their most favourite club in Germany. I did not rate it so one companion did the drive from NRW to World and back to NRW.
The party atmosphere in World is hard to beat. Even Nick the G says that World is the best disco in Giessen area. Men can come here and socialise with the girls and not fuck.
Day 4: Park Sauna Residenz, Lohmar
Reasons:
It was a new club for the crew
The facilities are purportedly fantastic
There are two kinos and one shows sports so we could watch the football
The food was cooked fresh a la carte and is likened to Das 5 Element's fabulous food.
A rest day before going home is nice
I have went through the same process of choosing car provider. Reading the terms and conditions Avis Basic insurance does not cover you if your car is stolen. You can opt for theft cover at extra euros each day or take the small risk and not pay.
Hertz insurance does include theft cover so is better.
I know when I use Avis Basic it usually only is 23€ a day even when I book 2 days before I am to go. When I priced 16 days rental car with Avis Basic the price was 368€ for a VW Polo.
I am driving a friend to Berlin and thereafter I have almost a week of spending in Germanys FKK´s. What would be the best clubs to visit? I know it can be subjective but try to see it in an objective way.
Thanks!
To answer this IS highly subjective. But to help you out I would suggest this little report by Ortos as a start, and then you need to start reading, reading, reading ...
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=920612&postcount=4058
I wish you a happy trip, and hope you take time to send us some words back on how it went.
Cheers,
S16
Basketcase
06-23-10, 20:41
I am driving a friend to Berlin and thereafter I have almost a week of spending in Germanys FKK´s. What would be the best clubs to visit? I know it can be subjective but try to see it in an objective way.
Thanks!
I am considering a lenghty Summer tour and this is my program:
If you are in Berlin then you should visit Artemis which is your originating destination. I would fly to Berlin and pick up a car there.
Move across Germany to around Osnabruck and maybe go to FKK Zeus.
Drive further south to NRW and then do Villa Vertigo, Golden Time, Living Room, Planet Happy Garden, Park Sauna Residenz and Yin Yang in NL. These clubs are in what I associate as the Dusseldorf area.
Keep moving south towards Cologne and then go to Park Sauna Residenz in Lohmar, Samya and if you like grandmothers you can go to Bernds, make a stop at Finca Erotica which is World's sister club before moving furher into:
Hessen for Das 5 Element and World in North Hessen. Move South to connect with Oase then move onto the renown and excellent Palace before taking a rest day at Atlantik in Hanau then onto Sharks in Darmstadt. If you have the time pop into FKK Figleaf in Worms.
Move across the State Border and visit Paradise in Stuttgart and look out for my favourite skinny Romanian then into Bayern for Collosseum in Augsburg and Hawaii in Ingolstadt.
Then keep going South to Switzerland or East to Austria.
I would pick Switzerland for the clubs like Globe, Dreams, Rouge, Bumsalp in Zurich and Palace in Luzern.
If going to Austria skip Babylon in Salzburg and keep on going to Golden Time in Vienna.
That trip should keep me happy.
Basketcase
06-23-10, 20:52
I have went through the same process of choosing car provider. Reading the terms and conditions Avis Basic insurance does not cover you if your car is stolen. You can opt for theft cover at extra euros each day or take the small risk and not pay.
Hertz insurance does include theft cover so is better.
Talbot,
You are not wrong.
I did gives up on using Avis Basic and now opt for the full price Hertz rentals for my road trips.
I did for my next trip be charged 81.24 euro for 3 days which is 27.08 euro per day for a economy car but if I pay 30 euro a day I get a BMW 3 series to drive. All these are unlimited kilometres, inclusive insurance like collission damage waiver, theft protection,registration fee, location service charge, tax and charges.
I could save just a little bit more by using the local German airport special offer from FRA where an economy car is 26 euro a day so for my 3 days it would cost 78 euro so a saving of 3.24 euro over 3 days. The features are the same as for the car hire from the open portal. I did see you do not need to give an address when booking this offer.
Aaksoraaksor
06-23-10, 21:30
I did gives up on using Avis Basic and now opt for the full price Hertz rentals for my road trips.
I did for my next trip be charged 81.24 euro for 3 days which is 27.08 euro per day for a economy car but if I pay 30 euro a day I get a BMW 3 series to drive. All these are unlimited kilometres, inclusive insurance like collission damage waiver, theft protection,registration fee, location service charge, tax and charges.Do you have a discount code etc. for Hertz / AVIS or are you using some promotion to get those rates? It seems that I'm paying way more for car rental than I should. If I try to book online from Hertz / AVIS, I get quoted 180-220 € for three days rental / economy.
Thank you for your advice.
Vito Corleone
06-24-10, 03:31
3. Has anyone encountered any difficulty bringing an iPad or Kindle into a club? (One can only spend so many hours each day fucking and they DO charge for it.)Just returned from a short trip & the clubs had no problems with my iPad. The only problem was some of the girls wanted to check it out play with it. I told them I have something better to play with, but that's another story.
DkFatBastard
06-24-10, 05:00
That sound like quite a trip :-)
I have often considered doing a smaller version of such a trip, but I would need to have too many days in between club visits to get enough energy for the club visits and to load up on zinc :-). So I would need quite a few months for such a trip :-)
Looking forward to read about it :-)
P.S. In Salzburg there's also this club: http://www.fkk-mystic.at/index_de.php
I haven't been there myself, but I've heard that a couple of former Artemis favorites are now in this club.
I am considering a lenghty Summer tour and this is my program:
If you are in Berlin then you should visit Artemis which is your originating destination. I would fly to Berlin and pick up a car there.
Move across Germany to around Osnabruck and maybe go to FKK Zeus.
Drive further south to NRW and then do Villa Vertigo, Golden Time, Living Room, Planet Happy Garden, Park Sauna Residenz and Yin Yang in NL. These clubs are in what I associate as the Dusseldorf area.
Keep moving south towards Cologne and then go to Park Sauna Residenz in Lohmar, Samya and if you like grandmothers you can go to Bernds, make a stop at Finca Erotica which is World's sister club before moving furher into:
Hessen for Das 5 Element and World in North Hessen. Move South to connect with Oase then move onto the renown and excellent Palace before taking a rest day at Atlantik in Hanau then onto Sharks in Darmstadt. If you have the time pop into FKK Figleaf in Worms.
Move across the State Border and visit Paradise in Stuttgart and look out for my favourite skinny Romanian then into Bayern for Collosseum in Augsburg and Hawaii in Ingolstadt.
Then keep going South to Switzerland or East to Austria.
I would pick Switzerland for the clubs like Globe, Dreams, Rouge, Bumsalp in Zurich and Palace in Luzern.
If going to Austria skip Babylon in Salzburg and keep on going to Golden Time in Vienna.
That trip should keep me happy.
Basketcase
06-24-10, 07:18
I am driving a friend to Berlin and thereafter I have almost a week of spending in Germanys FKK´s. What would be the best clubs to visit? I know it can be subjective but try to see it in an objective way.
Thanks!
Figge03,
Further thoughts:
Berlin
1. FKK Artemis
2. Brothel la Folie
3. Brothel Bel Ami
4. Brothel Van Kampen
Since you are so close pop across the border to Poland, much cheaper and stunning Polish girls. You can review the border towns for the local brothels catering to Germans doing the same thing.
Alternatively, pop across the border to Czech Republic. The highway between Berlin to Prague has a number of brothels that are cheap and offer many services.
This way you do not need to drive as far and get to see three countries and fuck your way through Polish, German and Czech women.
I have seen a guy with a Kindle at Oase, no problems. I don't ink an iPad will cause any probs as mobile phones, PDAs, BBs or iPhones do not.
HB
There were two iPads present at World yesterday. The only issue was that the girls were quite curious and were very busy poking when they themselves were supposed to be getting poked.
Basketcase
06-24-10, 07:48
That sound like quite a trip :-)
I have often considered doing a smaller version of such a trip, but I would need to have too many days in between club visits to get enough energy for the club visits and to load up on zinc :-). So I would need quite a few months for such a trip :-)
Looking forward to read about it :-)
P.S. In Salzburg there's also this club: http://www.fkk-mystic.at/index_de.php
DkFatBastard,
I haven't been there myself, but I've heard that a couple of former Artemis favorites are now in this club.
It should be a decent trip when I can go visit the clubs that I do not normally get a chance to go visit.
As for fucking until I drop: what I would do it prevent myself or restrict myself from fucking 3-4 girls a day to maybe 1-2 girls a day to stretch the budget and moreso prevent myself from getting sick or bored of fucking every day. You sometimes feel like you are a sperm producing factory and that is not a nice feeling.
If I get the time I may post the trip notes. There are like heaps of reports of visits I have made in the past that I do not post but have written up for my personal enjoyment and recollection including the club line up lists.
I also note warnings from several other senior members on what I write and also Sybarite2006's recent warning linked here for mentioning details with names: 1034865
FKK Mystic looks interesting
Quick notes:
65 euro entritt
If you prepay 500 euro you can get 10 entritt tickets and save 150 euro on the entry price
Barbeque from 16:00 on Tuesday, Thursdays and Saturdays. I guess the other days it is catered menu.
English translated website so English speakers must be welcome
A nice line up of girls from a quick look
Rooms and bar area look lavish
Roll double six dice on Sundays for free entrance
ATM available and no that is not Ass to Mouth for the perverts reading this.
Follow up:
I could not see what the price for sessions with the girls are. Is it pricing that we associate with Germany club or is it akin to Golden Time in Vienna / Artemis in Berlin since you say some Artemis girls work here?
Hessen Bub
06-24-10, 08:01
There were two iPads present at World yesterday. The only issue was that the girls were quite curious and were very busy poking when they themselves were supposed to be getting poked.
One of them was yours?
HB
Basketcase
06-24-10, 08:03
Do you have a discount code etc. for Hertz / AVIS or are you using some promotion to get those rates? It seems that I'm paying way more for car rental than I should. If I try to book online from Hertz / AVIS, I get quoted 180-220 € for three days rental / economy.
Thank you for your advice.
Aaksoraaksor,
I am at times booking a couple of days before I travel. It is hard organising car and hotel arrangements when arranging to meet up with others. The cardinal rule that I have learnt is that we spend a lot of money to be here visiting the clubs so suit yourself rather than try to accommodate other people. There are tends to be, but not always, some German fuckers that I know in the clubs so there is always someone to hang out with in between sessions or swap notes with. If not, there are usually Ice Bears or Youppies around too.
If you are travelling in a group then there has to be some discussion.
I use no discount codes for Hertz and Avis. I get a list of economy, compact and full size cars plus vans. The website automatically notes which country I am booking from (is it the cookies that do that?) charging me in euro and converting the language to one that I understand. Even using hertz.de I get a version with a language I know how to read. I usually stick with hertz.com and avoid the hertz USA site.
On my last trip of 4 days we got a car that cost 250 euro for 4 days hire but I did not book that one - a running mate did that. 250 euro a day for 4 days is like 62.50 euro a day when normally I do not pay more than 26 euro a day for car hire. The car we hired was a black VW Passat diesel and very comfortable whereas the car I drive on my own is a bit more modest.
So no discount code that I am using. I apply for a rental car like any other person putting in my arrival time and date and departure time and date and then my pick up and drop off point and then see what cars are returned as available for hire.
Do you or anyone one else reading this post know of a discount code at Hertz or Avis that we can use and williing to post it here?
I know some guys here use promotions or have special status with Hertz and Avis but I have none of those.
There were two iPads present at World yesterday. The only issue was that the girls were quite curious and were very busy poking when they themselves were supposed to be getting poked.Concentrate my friend.
You are on a mission.
Best Regards,
Smuler
(nursing a hip injury caused by 2 nights of Marie-Eve )
Unfortunately BC the Mystic girls take €65 each half hour. So a bit of an increase on NRW prices :eek:
CD
FKK Mystic looks interesting
Quick notes:
65 euro entritt
If you prepay 500 euro you can get 10 entritt tickets and save 150 euro on the entry price
Barbeque from 16:00 on Tuesday, Thursdays and Saturdays. I guess the other days it is catered menu.
English translated website so English speakers must be welcome
A nice line up of girls from a quick look
Rooms and bar area look lavish
Roll double six dice on Sundays for free entrance
ATM available and no that is not Ass to Mouth for the perverts reading this.
Follow up:
I could not see what the price for sessions with the girls are. Is it pricing that we associate with Germany club or is it akin to Golden Time in Vienna / Artemis in Berlin since you say some Artemis girls work here?
Basketcase
06-24-10, 19:59
Unfortunately BC the Mystic girls take €65 each half hour. So a bit of an increase on NRW prices :eek:
CD
Hi Captain Dan,
Shit! 65 euro for half a hour. That is like 130 euro for one hour then. Yes, NRW at 75 euro for one hour is like 55 euro per hour cheaper. That is a lot cheaper than Switzerland sauna clubs still at 190 euro per hour compared to NRW's 75 euro per hour. That is a difference in hourly rate of 115 euro!!
No wonder there is a migration of Artemis girls used to earning 60 euro per hour moving to FKK Mystic.
Question is whether there is the voloume of men. All very well earning the cash but if there is no men then you probably earn less.
Hessen Bub
06-24-10, 22:22
No wonder there is a migration of Artemis girls used to earning 60 euro per hour moving to FKK Mystic..
What? Artemis pricing is 60€/30min.
HB
Basketcase
06-24-10, 22:25
What? Artemis pricing is 60€/30min.
HB
Hessen Bub,
You are correct. That is what I am trying to say. If the Artemis girls migrating to FKK Mystic can earn 65 euro per half hour instead of 60 euro per half hour then it is an incentive to move club.
I just left "half" from half hour off when I wrote the post before and now I cannot edit it since the time to edit posts has been reduced to like maybe 1 or 2 hours after you make the original post. I could not change it.
Hi Captain Dan,
Shit! 65 euro for half a hour. That is like 130 euro for one hour then. Yes, NRW at 75 euro for one hour is like 55 euro per hour cheaper. That is a lot cheaper than Switzerland sauna clubs still at 190 euro per hour compared to NRW's 75 euro per hour. That is a difference in hourly rate of 115 euro!!
No wonder there is a migration of Artemis girls used to earning 60 euro per hour moving to FKK Mystic.
Question is whether there is the voloume of men. All very well earning the cash but if there is no men then you probably earn less.
Not sure BC that an extra €5 per half hour will bring a girl away from Artemis.
I suspect that some girls prefer not to work in the bigger fuck factories or at least prefer not to work in these bigger clubs all the time.
As you know some of the more select clubs can be very plush and luxurious. They treat the girls well and allow them to build up a regular client list.
Downside is there is not the same customer traffic and as a consequence possibly less opportunity for the women to make quick money.
The bigger clubs can often suit women who want to make money quickly or who have pimps who want them to make money quickly.
There is also a strong tendancy, specially in Southern Germany (Munich area) and Austria for clients to purchase champagne/sparkling wine and to spend time with the women prior to heading for the zimmer.
Some women may prefer this type of set-up.
CD
Basketcase
06-24-10, 23:33
Not sure BC that an extra €5 per half hour will bring a girl away from Artemis.
I suspect that some girls prefer not to work in the bigger fuck factories or at least prefer not to work in these bigger clubs all the time.
As you know some of the more select clubs can be very plush and luxurious. They treat the girls well and allow them to build up a regular client list.
The bigger clubs can often suit women who want to make money quickly or who have pimps who want them to make money quickly.
There is also a strong tendancy, specially in Southern Germany (Munich area) and Austria for clients to purchase champagne/sparkling wine and to spend time with the women prior to heading for the zimmer.
Some women may prefer this type of set-up.
CD
Hallo Captain Dan,
True, that an extra 5 euro per half hour is not going to be much if you do 2 or 3 rooms a day since that adds only 10 to 15 euro but some CDLs I know make 1000-1200 euro a day. I know of one CDL in a club that is south of Hesse that says she makes 2000 euro over a weekend. That may be say 10 to 15 guys a day so that can add a fair amount extra to your bottom line for the CDL's manager / Direction.
Yes, some CDLs do not want to work in the super clubs and prefer the quieter local clubs. Some CDLs like to do the approaching and some CDL prefer the clients to come to them and ask for a session.
There was a slim pretty blond at Park Sauna Residenz that we rated as an 8 and the best looking CDL in the club? She said she preferred to be approached and hated clubs where she had to interact with the customers to get work. so she was quite pleased when I stepped up and made an introduction asking in my best Deutsch whether she was free and could I sit with her.
She also did not like doing sex in public since she said "peverts" watching unnerved her especialy when they are standing like 2 metres away from her fucking her customer in the public lounge room. She only deep french kissed me in public before we went to the room and the pevert she pointed out was not in the lounge at the time. She said she preferred a club like Villa Vertigo over Golden Time and did note that Golden Time had an interesting entrance criteria at times. She also liked the Swiss clubs since the pay was so much more and lamented Germany where she fucked for so little money. She was a German CDL.
On my last trip I did look a bit harder at what I was doing and the CDLs that I was going with. Prior to that trip, my friend and I had been discussing the CDLs and those CDLs that had management. We also noted the identifying markings for CDLs with management, the targets and the abstangeld (bounties) that CDLs had to pay. It really does make you think about the hobby and what we do.
Hessen Bub reminded us all again when he posted his news articles about the Hungarian CDLs with management at the Friedrichsdorf - Burgholzhausen club.
Yes, you are right about the Southern clubs and Austrian clubs where CDLs who have worked there have mentioned that the men there like to talk before taking you and they only take you when they feel they are connected. This may or may not be very high income producing depending on the interpersonal skills of the CDLs.
Yes, some CDLs do not want to work in the super clubs and prefer the quieter local clubs. Some CDLs like to do the approaching and some CDL prefer the clients to come to them and ask for a session.
There was a slim pretty blond at Park Sauna Residenz that we rated as an 8 and the best looking CDL in the club? She said she preferred to be approached and hated clubs where she had to interact with the customers to get work. so she was quite pleased when I stepped up and made an introduction asking in my best Deutsch whether she was free and could I sit with her.
She also did not like doing sex in public since she said "peverts" watching unnerved her especialy when they are standing like 2 metres away from her fucking her customer in the public lounge room. She only deep french kissed me in public before we went to the room and the pevert she pointed out was not in the lounge at the time. She said she preferred a club like Villa Vertigo over Golden Time and did note that Golden Time had an interesting entrance criteria at times. She also liked the Swiss clubs since the pay was so much more and lamented Germany where she fucked for so little money. She was a German CDL.Ah yes BC, I am all too aware of how, on your most recent visit to Park Sauna Residence, you snagged the best looking babe in the joint.
I believe that there were envious eyes cast in your direction!
I hear that she was more than just an 8.
You were always a smooth talker BC, I did not realise that you also charmed the ladies by means of the German language! ;)
On my last trip I did look a bit harder at what I was doing and the CDLs that I was going with. Prior to that trip, my friend and I had been discussing the CDLs and those CDLs that had management. We also noted the identifying markings for CDLs with management, the targets and the abstangeld (bounties) that CDLs had to pay. It really does make you think about the hobby and what we do.
Hessen Bub reminded us all again when he posted his news articles about the Hungarian CDLs with management at the Friedrichsdorf - Burgholzhausen club.
Yup, its hard to quantify but a significant number of the girls (particularly those from Romania/Bulgaria) appear to have managment of some sort or another.
I would guess that the more tatooed the girl, the greater the liklihood that she has management (although this is not always the case).
In some extreme cases (but not uncommon) a girl will have a guy's name tatooed on her neck.
This marking is not always visable because it is covered by the girls hairline.
Of course this name could be that of a boyfriend, but I have been informed by those in the know that this is often a mark of ownership.
One of them was yours?
HB
Yes. Fun watching Daria trying to play Labyrinth. I couldn't convince her to hold the iPad parallel to the ground. Not nearly as much fun as rolling and tumbling with her though.
Concentrate my friend.
You are on a mission.
Best Regards,
Smuler
(nursing a hip injury caused by 2 nights of Marie-Eve )
True enough. One of the great blow jobs in recorded history yesterday, but that belongs in another thread. (three sessions with Heidi yesterday.)
Aaksoraaksor
06-27-10, 07:53
Aaksoraaksor,
So no discount code that I am using. I apply for a rental car like any other person putting in my arrival time and date and departure time and date and then my pick up and drop off point and then see what cars are returned as available for hire.
Do you or anyone one else reading this post know of a discount code at Hertz or Avis that we can use and williing to post it here?Thanks you very much for your help basket!
I am going to Germany this week and I decided to visit Artemis and Oase. Is that a boring choice or is it the best choice? Its the first time in FKK for me. I have some questions before I leave:
- I am going alone. Is it ok or do the most people go in group?
- What place is best on wednesdays and fridays of these two clubs? (Artemis/Oase)
- I am also looking for a pornstar girl in Berlin. Anyone knows?
Thanks!!
Do you or anyone one else reading this post know of a discount code at Hertz or Avis that we can use and williing to post it here?
I know some guys here use promotions or have special status with Hertz and Avis but I have none of those.
Hey,
With Hertz, try "GO FOR GOLD". You might actually need the Gold Member Status to get those rates but it's wortha try.
Also the cdp for AAA members is 157348. Not sure if it applies to EU rentals but it might. For ADAC members the cdp number is 611111 or 1274114. Neither will make any difference if you are logged in as a gold member but I think that AAA members are eligible for ADAC discounts. Usually the 611111 rate has CDW and theft protection included. Also a 2nd driver can usually be added without any extra fees.
Sometimes the go for gold combined with cdp number 706900 results in good deals.
I hardly ever use Avis, so I can't help you there.
Cheers,
Dedalus
You can try entering the Hertz web site through the Ryan Air wesite link, then put any Ryan air flight number in. Its a small saving only.
John Moore
07-02-10, 18:04
Found this in the Prague-section of this forum and just thought I should share it with you gentlemen and as I'm visiting Prague pretty soon I might just check this place out and make a comparison with the German scene.
http://www.saunaclub.cz
Night club Barbie (former Sexy gogo cabaret) is replaced by FKK Sexy Sauna Club
Bars, a lot of couches, a large sauna (with large windows), a whirlpool for 12 people, a porno kino, a non-stop buffet (breakfast/lunch/dinner), free internet and many girls.
FKK Sexy Sauna Club is open everyday from 11 am to 4 am.
Entrance fee : 2000 czk (all inclusive without time limit - including alcohol free drinks + beer). "Full service massage" at 1600 czk.
FKK Sexy Sauna Club
Ve Smeckach 19
Prague 1
Tel. : +420 775 377 616
E-mail : info@saunaclub.cz
Found this in the Prague-section of this forum and just thought I should share it with you gentlemen and as I'm visiting Prague pretty soon I might just check this place out and make a comparison with the German scene.
http://www.saunaclub.cz
The FKK idea was tried before in Prague, back in 2004. An Asian American guy named Joe I think, set up one about 15 miles south of Prague. I think it was called FKK Prague.
Now I had never been in a German FKK or Partytreff in 2004, so I thought the place was amazing, but looking back it was pretty shit compared to what Germany has to offer.
The women wouldn't take off their knickers but they did go around topless, some fine women he had too. Also some of the local guys wouldn't change out of their street clothes, and I remember feeling like a dickhead being the only one in a robe.
It only opened in the evening time but stayed open till 4 or 5 in the morning.
Anyway rumor has it that the local Mafia took it over about a year later, and converted it back to a regular Czech brothel or Niteclub as they are called over there. I also recall that it was discovered that Joe the owner, had various profiles on the good forum here, and used to post fake reports in the hope of drumming up some business.
Anyway I wish the new venture well and hope that they at least insist that that the clients all remove their street clothes when they visit.
PS I remember bare-backing two girls there and not posting it here, for fear of being Flamed!!! Lol!!
John Moore
07-03-10, 09:11
Yes I read something about that FKK being around and then going under. This looks quite similar to a German FKK if you look at their website which is one of the slowest webpages I have encountered and also only in Czech.
The price is also a bit steep. 2000 Czech Koruna is about 78 Euros for entrance.
I translated the text from their website with Google Chrome:
"We would like to invite you to the first naturist FKK Saunaclub in the Czech Republic. Our firm works on the FKK (Frei Körper Kultur - culture of the body). We are located right in the center, about 100 meters from Wenceslas Square. For our customers we have a place to park directly in the yard. (Mob: +420 775 377 616). In areas covering more than 500 m2 await our masseuses all nationalities. After paying a membership fee you can take full advantage of our offer all-inclusive service without any time limitation."They also only seem to offer massage when looking at the webpage but I guess "Fullservice Massage" is what you come for. The only massage that isn't price set.
Well I think it's nice to see the concept spreading and I hope it becomes a nice club and stays open.
The FKK idea was tried before in Prague, back in 2004. An Asian American guy named Joe I think, set up one about 15 miles south of Prague. I think it was called FKK Prague.
Now I had never been in a German FKK or Partytreff in 2004, so I thought the place was amazing, but looking back it was pretty shit compared to what Germany has to offer.
The women wouldn't take off their knickers but they did go around topless, some fine women he had too. Also some of the local guys wouldn't change out of their street clothes, and I remember feeling like a dickhead being the only one in a robe.
It only opened in the evening time but stayed open till 4 or 5 in the morning.
Anyway rumor has it that the local Mafia took it over about a year later, and converted it back to a regular Czech brothel or Niteclub as they are called over there. I also recall that it was discovered that Joe the owner, had various profiles on the good forum here, and used to post fake reports in the hope of drumming up some business.
Anyway I wish the new venture well and hope that they at least insist that that the clients all remove their street clothes when they visit.
PS I remember bare-backing two girls there and not posting it here, for fear of being Flamed!!! Lol!!
Eric Cartman
07-04-10, 20:14
Anyone heard of / been to FKK Manhattan? Saw posters for it in Frankfurt on Saturday. A girl at Finca Erotica today (Sunday) told me it had just opened a few days ago in FRA and was supposed to be first-class facilities.
Basketcase
07-04-10, 20:46
Anyone heard of / been to FKK Manhattan? Saw posters for it in Frankfurt on Saturday. A girl at Finca Erotica today (Sunday) told me it had just opened a few days ago in FRA and was supposed to be first-class facilities.
Dear Eric Cartman
FKK Mainhattan opened on 1 July during a big party day. The various forums other than this one have had reports of the opening day at Mainhattan posted on them already. Seems like an okay place but staffed with mainly dragoons from World and a few freelancers from elsewhere for the opening day. We will have to see what the regular crew will pan out to be like at Mainhattan.
There have been a number of posts on the Other FKKs thread that discuss FKK Mainhattan. I have attached a few of them here for your convenience.
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It may be worth a visit before the end of 8 July to take advantage of the 40 euro entrance fee for this downtown Frankfurt Main club. The entrance fee then increases to 65 euro from 9 July onwards.
Yours sincerely,
Bud Leeeeeeee
07-05-10, 00:30
Trip is with family and friends of family. THere is over 20 of us. I am traveling single(have own room in hotels) and will stay up late for some adventure. Once everyone or the majority goes to sleep I will have to get a taxi an make it happen. Want to get some FKK action!!!! 2 Lists from the family trip planner. Is there any MUST VISIT stops here? If I could get to GLobe in Zurich and some FKK in Heidelberg that would be just enough. I really want to get after it. Some sex every 3 days would be even better. WHats a good game plan? Willing to $300 with all included taxi, entrance, girl.
Here is the itenerary
Day 1: en route to Zurich - may get to hit Globe. Not enough details on length of time in Zurich at this point.
Days 2 -4: City Hotel Oberland, Interlaken - can't find much here.
Day 5: Schwarzwald Park Hotel, Koenigsfeld
Days 6-7: NH Hotel Heidelberg - should get off some good loads here.
Day 8: Arvena Reichsstadt Hotel, Bad Windsheim
Days:9-13: Hotel Alpin, Scheffau, Tyrol
Day 14: going home
We will use these or very similar hotels for this group.
Here is a rough itinerary for this group. You can follow our public itinerary and will see the differences implemented for this group:
Day 1: enroute to Zurich
Day 2: Zurich/Lucern/Bernese Oberland
Day 3: Bern/Emmental Valley
Day 4: Bemese Oberland
Day 5: Constance/Mainau
Day 6: Black ForestllHeidelberg
Day 7: Heidelberg
Day 8: Rothenburg/Franconia
Day 9: NurnberglTyrol
Day 10: Rattenbergllnnsbruck
Day 11: Salzburg
Day 12: Neuschwanstein Castle
Day 13: Berchtesgaden/Eagles Nest
Day 14: Departure
just a stab in the dark. I will ask the family planner questions about the amount of time in Zurich.
Would I be better off posting in Short Term Forum?
Basketcase
07-05-10, 22:04
I am considering a lenghty Summer tour and this is my program:
If you are in Berlin then you should visit Artemis which is your originating destination. I would fly to Berlin and pick up a car there.
Move across Germany to around Osnabruck and maybe go to FKK Zeus.
Drive further south to NRW and then do Villa Vertigo, Golden Time, Living Room, Planet Happy Garden, Park Sauna Residenz and Yin Yang in NL. These clubs are in what I associate as the Dusseldorf area.
Keep moving south towards Cologne and then go to Park Sauna Residenz in Lohmar, Samya and if you like grandmothers you can go to Bernds, make a stop at Finca Erotica which is World's sister club before moving furher into:
Hessen for Das 5 Element and World in North Hessen. Move South to connect with Oase then move onto the renown and excellent Palace before taking a rest day at Atlantik in Hanau then onto Sharks in Darmstadt. If you have the time pop into FKK Figleaf in Worms.
Move across the State Border and visit Paradise in Stuttgart and look out for my favourite skinny Romanian then into Bayern for Collosseum in Augsburg and Hawaii in Ingolstadt.
Then keep going South to Switzerland or East to Austria.
I would pick Switzerland for the clubs like Globe, Dreams, Rouge, Bumsalp in Zurich and Palace in Luzern.
If going to Austria skip Babylon in Salzburg and keep on going to Golden Time in Vienna.
That trip should keep me happy.
Dear DkFatBastard and Others,
I have now had some more thinking on what to do for a Summer tour of Germany. I am unsure if anyone cares but some people have asked about logistics from Berlin or coming up from Switzerland or even Austria. These are all feasible and have been done before so there is experience in doing this.
Ortos reminded me about doing Amsterdam ("AMS") and I note that AMS is 446 km from Frankfurt am Main ("FFM") or 4 hours and 13 minutes driving. So that was a further option than a interlude to the East to Austria or a forway into Switzerland to the south.
In the end I have discounted Berlin as a a site for the tour. I am sorry Angus Magee that I will not be looking you up in your beer garden this time around. The logistics is that Berlin to FFM is 555 Km or 5 hours and 6 minutes driving. I know that girls at Oase do the FFM to Berlin trip often but then they are in porsches, audis and BMWs being the rewards from all their fucking for money.
AMS is not ruled out but on writing the list of clubs to visit I realised that I did not have enough days for AMS as well. I needed probably 2 days for AMS to do it well allowing me an overnight there at least. I would leave the car outside of AMS and train into the Centraal station.
I then made a list of all the clubs that I like to do and I know and then created clusters of where they are. Once I had that list of clubs I then realised what the tour program would be. I then worked out how many days that I had to devote and then allocated a club a day to each of the days of my tour. I then made up a budget for car hire, hotel, entrance fee and expected number of women that I would fuck each day. This came back to a number for me to decide on whether I can afford it. Last year it was a 17 day tour.
Anyway the program goes something like this. Sorry if this is incredibly boring but you do not have to read it.
I guess I will record my trip for future reference. I will also give a short explanation of the reasons why I do each clubs. The thing I have not done yet is decide in what order I will do each club since the day you go can mean going on an off day and being bored shitless or going on a excellent line up and you moaning that you only have one schwanz and just three bullets in your testicle magazine to use. I will probably leave that to when I am on the ground and take into account the weather and where I know certain girls are working or not working for that matter.
Because of where it all ended up the entry point does not matter whether it is Netherlands, Frankfurt, Cologne or Dusseldorf. It just means a bit more driving depending on where you start or interchange the location order.
The number of clubs is determined by the number of days of the tour. The numbers given are for reference only and do not indicate the order of visitation.
*** Dusseldorf Area ***
1. Golden Time
2. Living Room
3. Villa Vertigo
4. Planet Happy Garden
5. Yin Yang, NL
A visit to NRW is not complete without a visit to the fuck factory that is Golden Time (GT). Good to visit any day of the week.
If you do Golden Time it is almost obligatory to take advantage of the reduced entry on the same day to visit Living Room to continue the party.
Villa Vertigo should be allocated only Friday and Saturday since this is the advice that Stephan the general manager gave as the days with the best party atmosphere and most extensive line up.
Planet Happy Garden is not a club for Sundays so maybe a Thursday here.
Yin Yang is decent on a Thursday through to Saturday so I have some flexibility here.
*** Cologne Area ***
6. Park Sauna Residenz (PSR)
7. Bernds
8. Finca Erotica
9. Samya
PSR makes the list since it has excellent wellness facilities and the food is good as its cooked to order. The hookers do not approach you so you can hang out all day to 01:00 closing and not fuck anyone like some ice bears do. There is usually one or two hookers that should tempt you here.
Bernds - it is about time I fucked an oma (grandmother). Novelty value and one of those things you have to do like fucking twins.
Finca Erotica - it is on the way between FFM and Cologne. It has reduced entry and you can find a nice ex World girl here with excellent service. Fingers crossed she is there.
Samya - I need to be in the right mood here. This can be a fun place but having no porno kino may mean I need to talk to the girls. One time I was here I made friends with some crazy auslanders (foreigners) and we did make merry in the club. I think Hilding was there too. The Turkish management always make me feel welcome. I must remember to learn up on hockey before coming here is the tip. I probably will run into the local FFM crews like I normally do when I come here since they do not fuck in their own backyard.
*** Frankfurt area ***
10. Palace
11. World
12. Mainhattan
13. Sharks
14. Das 5 Element
15. Oase
The Frankfurt clubs that were renown as the big three has for me been expanded to be about 6 clubs worth visiting. Sharks, Das 5 Element and Mainhattan join the ranks of Oase, Palace and World for different reasons.
Sharks gets onto the list to see how it is going and to enjoy the facilities and decent food.
Das 5 Element gets onto the list despite the distance being in Fulda due to its outdoor facilities, wellness facilities and excellent cooked to order food.
FKK Mainhattan makes the list since it is worth going to see what it is like post its opening and see if any changes have been made. Also to see if the line up matures or if its a desert in terms of hookers.
World and Palace are worth going to any day of the week so make the list as the filler clubs in between making sure the less attended clubs are visited on their better days to even out the visits so one does not go to a small club on its worse day leaving the best days for the super clubs like World and Palace.
*** Stuttgart Area ***
16. Paradise
Paradise made the list because of a skinny girl we know there and it is not too onerous being about 200-250 km from FFM.
I know that the Ice Bears suggest going further south to Bayern to visit Hawaii and Colosseum but the general feeling I get is that if you have done the Frankfurt super clubs and Paradise in Stuttgart you may be dissappointed in the smaller Hawaii and Collosseum.
It is sad that Berlin fell off the list but the distance by motor vehicle was going to add significantly to the cost. It would be cheaper to fly there and devote more days to it on another trip. Also if I did hit Berlin I would like to see more of the sights rather than miss the sights spending the entire time in Artemis.
Yours sincerely,
Basketcase
07-05-10, 22:33
Here is a rough itinerary for this group. You can follow our public itinerary and will see the differences implemented for this group:
Day 1: enroute to Zurich
Day 2: Zurich/Lucern/Bernese Oberland
Day 3: Bern/Emmental Valley
Day 4: Bemese Oberland
Day 5: Constance/Mainau
Day 6: Black ForestllHeidelberg
Day 7: Heidelberg
Day 8: Rothenburg/Franconia
Day 9: NurnberglTyrol
Day 10: Rattenbergllnnsbruck
Day 11: Salzburg
Day 12: Neuschwanstein Castle
Day 13: Berchtesgaden/Eagles Nest
Day 14: Departure
Bud Leeeeeeee Sir,
If you are in Zurich I would recommend Globe. It can be easily reached by train from the main train station in 12-15 minutes and a short walk of say 200-300 metres to the building over the railway bridge and around the green building in Schwerzenbach ZH station area. Excellent service from the girls here. Entrance is 90 CHF but they take 10 CHF as a deposit that is refunded when you leave so you need to stump up 100 CHF initially (about 75 euro). A hooker for half a hour full service is 140 CHF (about 105 euro). A lot of great looking girls. It is worth it just to come to see the eye candy in this place. Gorgeous Romanians, Poles, Germans, Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, maybe even the off Swiss hooker.
Other places worth going to is club Dreams, Rouge, Bumsalp (for the Kitsch Swiss style), Westside, Teeny Massage, etc... Man there is an enormous list of clubs and brothels in Zurich. The place is crawling with hookers to cater to the mass affluent and horny men of Zurich and all the auslanders (foreigners) staying there.
Although it is not really a Zurich dish you can pick up fondue as a meal. Try it out in the Neiderdof area which is a real happening part of town. There are also lots of stripclubs, porno kino and cabarets in the Neiderdorf area.
For streetwalkers and more nightclubs and cabarets that you can shake a stick at then head to Langstrasse. This area is crawling with sex for pay. Man, a kebab is like between 8 to 10 CHF. That is like 6 euro to 7.50 euro for meat and bread wrap with a bit of sauce and salad. The Swiss Turks do them well though.
If you are in Luzern then head to Palace. Great looking girls. Luzern is a pretty town. I like the wooden bridge and the cartoon drawings.
It may be a bit far but when in Constance the nearest club I can think of is Hawaii or Colosseum. You will need a car.
In Salzburg there is FKK Mystic that has been discussed on this thread before. Mystic girls are 65 euro per half a hour. If you want pure class and premium grade women then splash out at Babylon in Salzburg. The girls at Babylon costs a bit more. Check out the prices. Sky high come to mind.
Hope this helps. Please report back your findings here.
All the best.
Yours sincerely,
Making a trip to frankfurt from July 6 - 10. Which FKK clubs would be the best place to find Latina (Dominican/Brazilian) or African Ladies with big asses (like in the attached pics)?
Suggestions would be much appreciated?
Thanks,
Joe
Basketcase
07-06-10, 22:00
Making a trip to frankfurt from July 6 - 10. Which FKK clubs would be the best place to find Latina (Dominican/Brazilian) or African Ladies with big asses (like in the attached pics)?
Suggestions would be much appreciated?
There are Dominican and Brazilian hookers in maybe Palace but I would not class them as having big asses.
I think you may have better luck in the red light district near the Main Train Station in Frankfurt am Main for Brazilians and Dominican hookers with big asses.
Hey guys,
I have been here a couple of times, just decided to make an account and finally join the gang!
Anyway, I have been to Red Rose in Hanau, quite a nice place, with a reasonable price of around 80 euro for 45 minutes where you get everything you want.
At first the main woman "Cindy", took me in, sat me down, and told me before discussing the prices (I still did not know at the time), she will show me the girls, then she tells me the prices and I choose. There were 4 girls, including Cindy herself (a very old rotten thing.)
One of the girl was called Mina, I felt something when I saw her. I have to have that ass! Anyway, I was told about the price, tried to argue, but it took me no where. So I gave in, chose Mina and went to the room with her.
They actually offered me something to drink first, with a couple of chocolate treats. Which is a very nice idea indeed. Mina came afterwards, she told me that I have to pay her up front (which I don't usually do, but after reading the advice on doing so, it was done), and I paid her an extra 10 euro, and made it clear that it's for her, not for her boss. She was glad and gave me a french kiss right away. Quite friendly so far.
We started messing around, kissing, foreplay stuff. She gave me a great BJ, we 69ed, she tasted quite good which shocked me. We kept going at it, with Cowboy / Missionary with french kissing, licking each other, neck sucking. For almost 40 minutes, I looked at the time from behind her, and noticed that I should make myself finish ASAP. She looked as well, but she was actually so hot and taken by things, that she didn't mention a thing and just went on (not even a "oh you didn't finish yet? Are you sure? ")
Long story short, the whole thing laster over an hour, we kissed a bit afterwards and talked, I was getting dressed and her boss came in to ask her to leave already! (but not in a mean way towards me). I was asked how I felt about this experience, I answered with honesty that it was great!.
That was around 2 months ago.
Last month I went to Atlantik, had around 4 girls. None of them was Mina. I mean ok great we had the 69, the passion somehow. But it missed this special taste that Mina left behind.
I remember clearly Mina telling me she was going to stay for 5 more months with them (as per her contract), then leaving them to go somewhere else (why would she lie?), so I checked the website where I found her. No sign of her. I checked the website of Red Rose. They replaced her with a "Mara". Which does not look inviting at all.
I sent them an email, asking about Mina, they actually replied, telling me she doesn't work with them anymore. So I replied asking if I may find out where she is. And that I am willing to pay for this info, I got a "sorry, but that's all the info we can give".
I am going crazy googling and trying to find her. Did anyone here hear of her?
Any ideas of how I can find where she is working now?
The questions go in circle, but the idea is the same.
Oh and P. S: does anyone have any good place to in Hanau for a good price? (lower than what I paid or equal, but really good service?)
Yesterday, I had a quote from sixti. I had an offer for 60 Euro/day for a smart car in a weekday, for Frankfurt am airport.
Then, I had tried the same quote for weekend and the offer was 40 Euro/day.
It seems, they also follow the footprints of Hertz. Last year, I was paying 23 Euro/day at Frankfurt. 60 Euro for a smart car is way expensive...
I recently paid €20 per day for a Smartcar for a 5 day trip. Traveled in late June, booked in April. Funny thing is, I'd forgotten the reservation and went to the website in early June and got a €40 per day price.
My guess is that their website has a built in formula that adjusts their prices based on demand, much like the ability of airmiles flights.
I'm considering an early September trip, but won't have enough airmiles until my credit card statement closes later this week. I checked availability a few weeks back and found available flight shrinking rapidly. I checked again yesterday to find that I could find a direct flight from Montreal to Frankfurt almost any day I want. Go figure.
Yesterday, I had a quote from sixti. I had an offer for 60 Euro/day for a smart car in a weekday, for Frankfurt am airport.
Then, I had tried the same quote for weekend and the offer was 40 Euro/day.
It seems, they also follow the footprints of Hertz. Last year, I was paying 23 Euro/day at Frankfurt. 60 Euro for a smart car is way expensive...
Yesterday, I had a quote from sixti. I had an offer for 60 Euro/day for a smart car in a weekday, for Frankfurt am airport.
Then, I had tried the same quote for weekend and the offer was 40 Euro/day.
It seems, they also follow the footprints of Hertz. Last year, I was paying 23 Euro/day at Frankfurt. 60 Euro for a smart car is way expensive...
Yes, Sixti has raised their rates to about 40E/day with a reduced rate for the weekend. They have, however, raised the km limit to 200/day from 100. One thing I have notice is that sometimes a 3 day rental is cheaper than a 2 day rental. Go figure. All the rental car have raised their rates. Hertz only gives you the cheapest rates if you prepay, and have mileage limits on other rentals.
Yes, Sixti has raised their rates to about 40E/day with a reduced rate for the weekend. They have, however, raised the km limit to 200/day from 100. One thing I have notice is that sometimes a 3 day rental is cheaper than a 2 day rental. Go figure. All the rental car have raised their rates. Hertz only gives you the cheapest rates if you prepay, and have mileage limits on other rentals.
Using the sixte website for a trip in November, I was quoted 322 euro's for a 10 day trip. Using Orbitz i was quoted 272 euro's from sixte for an economy car on those same dates.
For a couple more euro's, I think you can just buy one of those smart cars...maybe pack on in your carry-on to save some money.
All the rental car have raised their rates. Hertz only gives you the cheapest rates if you prepay, and have mileage limits on other rentals.
Not necessarily so, Aki.
The CDP that I posted below will usually get you an unlimited mileage deal and a good daily, weekly or weekend rate.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Not necessarily so, Aki.
The CDP that I posted below will usually get you an unlimited mileage deal and a good daily, weekly or weekend rate.
Cheers,
Dedalus
thanks, I give them a try on my nest trip when the airfares are reasonable again.
Yes, Sixti has raised their rates to about 40E/day with a reduced rate for the weekend. They have, however, raised the km limit to 200/day from 100. One thing I have notice is that sometimes a 3 day rental is cheaper than a 2 day rental. Go figure. All the rental car have raised their rates. Hertz only gives you the cheapest rates if you prepay, and have mileage limits on other rentals.
I just got a quote on sixti.de from 2 Sept-6 Sept for €63,97, just under €16 per day, 100 km per. Are you perhaps looking at prices during a Messe? Prices can get pretty messy during those times, that's why they call 'em Messes.
(Note: option-shift-2 will get you the Euro symbol on a Mac. Don't know about PC, but it's probably there somewhere.)
I just got a quote on sixti.de from 2 Sept-6 Sept for €63,97, just under €16 per day, 100 km per. Are you perhaps looking at prices during a Messe? Prices can get pretty messy during those times, that's why they call 'em Messes.
(Note: option-shift-2 will get you the Euro symbol on a Mac. Don't know about PC, but it's probably there somewhere.)
What you got was the special weekend rate. If you book outside of the period, the rates are over 65E/day with 200km/day included. They used to only charge 20-30E with 100 km. When I rent on the weekends, I prefer Hertz because they have unlimited mileage and better cars (although the rates are higher). 400Km is ok if you intend to hang around Frankfurt. It's not enough if you intend to explore the surrounding areas.
Basketcase
07-10-10, 02:59
(Note: option-shift-2 will get you the Euro symbol on a Mac. Don't know about PC, but it's probably there somewhere.)
On PC it is press ALT GR and $ to create a € symbol
What you got was the special weekend rate. If you book outside of the period, the rates are over 65E/day with 200km/day included. They used to only charge 20-30E with 100 km. When I rent on the weekends, I prefer Hertz because they have unlimited mileage and better cars (although the rates are higher). 400Km is ok if you intend to hang around Frankfurt. It's not enough if you intend to explore the surrounding areas.
Are you saying, then, that if you book Thursday-Monday, they'll give you the weekend rate for the entire period?
Are you saying, then, that if you book Thursday-Monday, they'll give you the weekend rate for the entire period?
Hertz weekend rate begins on Thursday (anytime).
Sixt (not Sixty) weekend rate begins Thursday evening (after 4 p.m. I think).
CD
Hertz weekend rate begins on Thursday (anytime).
CD
Not so with the weekend rate that I usually take at Hertz. It starts at 17:00 on Thursday and is valid for any three days between 17:00 Thursday until 17:00 Monday. It used to be vaild until 09:00 Tuesday, but they changed it. The deal I am talking about gets you a three day rental for about 80€ (local offer on the german Hertz site, rate code ASP4DE, 750 km included)
Are you saying, then, that if you book Thursday-Monday, they'll give you the weekend rate for the entire period?
Any three days during that period
Not so with the weekend rate that I usually take at Hertz. It starts at 17:00 on Thursday and is valid for any three days between 17:00 Thursday until 17:00 Monday. It used to be vaild until 09:00 Tuesday, but they changed it. The deal I am talking about gets you a three day rental for about 80€ (local offer on the german Hertz site, rate code ASP4DE, 750 km included)
Any three days during that periodOk Henio you are indeed correct, different Hertz websites (for different countries) will mean different prices and offer periods. Those using the international Hertz website (Hertz.com) should be able to avail of a weekend rate from Hertz which begins Thursday morning and finishes on Monday (prior to your arrival time). I know that I have taken advantage of these rates on my recent travels (in June) to Germany. These rates appear to be currently on offer.
On PC it is press ALT GR and $ to create a € symbolActually Shift + 2 gave me a £ (pound) ... not sure if this applies to everyone or not.
For what it's worth I never found out how to make the euro sign with my keyboard.
Ok Henio you are indeed correct, different Hertz websites (for different countries) will mean different prices and offer periods. Those using the international Hertz website (Hertz.com) should be able to avail of a weekend rate from Hertz which begins Thursday morning and finishes on Monday (prior to your arrival time). I know that I have taken advantage of these rates on my recent travels (in June) to Germany. These rates appear to be currently on offer.
Where do you find local offers for Germany on the .com site? Just wandering since I have never found anything on the .com site that comes close to the .de local offer from Hertz. When I go to the .com site, there are some offers here and there for Europe, but without consistency and I gave up using the .com site long ago since I never could get a decent deal there compared to other options, but perhaps I need to reevaluate.
The weekend deal as a local offer on the .de site has been there forever (or at least it seems forever :-)
Where do you find local offers for Germany on the .com site? Just wandering since I have never found anything on the .com site that comes close to the .de local offer from Hertz. When I go to the .com site, there are some offers here and there for Europe, but without consistency and I gave up using the .com site long ago since I never could get a decent deal there compared to other options, but perhaps I need to reevaluate.
The weekend deal as a local offer on the .de site has been there forever (or at least it seems forever :-)Henio, we seem to be writing at cross-purposes. The local rate (from Hertz.de) is better than the International rate but is applicable for a shorter period of time.
CD
What you got was the special weekend rate. If you book outside of the period, the rates are over 65E/day with 200km/day included. They used to only charge 20-30E with 100 km. When I rent on the weekends, I prefer Hertz because they have unlimited mileage and better cars (although the rates are higher). 400Km is ok if you intend to hang around Frankfurt. It's not enough if you intend to explore the surrounding areas.
Not quite. Actually not even close. Here's the rather convoluted breakdown of the bill from my recent trip. I had the car for 5 days, Wednesday morning through Monday morning.
1 day at €21.87
2 days at €8.42
2 days at €15.99
Location surcharge (Standortzuschlag) €14.13
Tax €16.12
Total for 5 days €100.94, with an allowance of 500 km for the period.
Henio, we seem to be writing at cross-purposes. The local rate (from Hertz.de) is better than the International rate but is applicable for a shorter period of time.
CD no, I am actually interested in how to find a weekend deal that can start early Thursday since I often find myself in a situation where I need to start a rental in Germany early Thursday and I dont want to wait until 5pm to pick up the .de deal. Do you just put in the date/time on the regular booking page, or is there a special weekend deal on the .com site? (I looked around and could not find it).
What I have done couple of times when I arrive earlier than Thursday 5pm is to rent sixti or avis basic for one day and then return it and pick up a hertz.de deal, but it is kind of an overhead to do so.
no, I am actually interested in how to find a weekend deal that can start early Thursday since I often find myself in a situation where I need to start a rental in Germany early Thursday and I dont want to wait until 5pm to pick up the .de deal. Do you just put in the date/time on the regular booking page, or is there a special weekend deal on the .com site? (I looked around and could not find it).
What I have done couple of times when I arrive earlier than Thursday 5pm is to rent sixti or avis basic for one day and then return it and pick up a hertz.de deal, but it is kind of an overhead to do so.
Depends what you consider to be a good deal Henio. Last month (with Hertz) I paid approx Euro 170 (excluding supercover) for a VW Passat 2 Litre diesel (Thurs 08:30 until Monday 08:30). This is a reasonably large size car and I thought this to be excellent value. What I particularly liked was the rate ran from Thursday to Monday. However, I am sure many would consider this expensive when compared with the rental of a Smart car. Another point to note is that I normally book ahead by at least 4 to 8 weeks. Also (after a re-check) I appear to be using the UK/Eire version of the Hertz website.
CD
Depends what you consider to be a good deal Henio. Last month (with Hertz) I paid approx Euro 170 (excluding supercover) for a VW Passat 2 Litre diesel (Thurs 08:30 until Monday 08:30). This is a reasonably large size car and I thought this to be excellent value. What I particularly liked was the rate ran from Thursday to Monday. However, I am sure many would consider this expensive when compared with the rental of a Smart car. Another point to note is that I normally book ahead by at least 4 to 8 weeks. Also (after a re-check) I appear to be using the UK/Eire version of the Hertz website.
CD Hey CD, the prices on the UK site are indeed good, even better than the local offers on the .de site if one books ahead of time (I tried pricing a 09:00 Thursday to 09:00 Monday using the deal "Book in advance and SAVE!" offer code 708727) and was quoted 80 euros for the cheapest and next two classes also at a good price (Focus station for less than 100€).
Thanks for the info, the UK site indeed seems to price according to weekend rates starting anytime Thursday and allows you to book 4 days for similar price you get 3 days on the local .de weekend offer.
Don't know why I have not tried the UK Hertz site before, but from now on it has a honorary placement on my rent-a-car links :-)
A few weeks ago someone posted the name of a reasonably good hotel near Living Room in Kaarst. I searched that forum and a couple more and can't seem to find the recommendation. I am trying not to have to rent a car for a two day visit to the area, which means I will be using trains to get around. The good news is there is access to a few clubs, the bad news is I won't be able to visit Villa Vertigo, one of my favorites.
Any info along these lines would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
Sky
A few weeks ago someone posted the name of a reasonably good hotel near Living Room in Kaarst. I searched that forum and a couple more and can't seem to find the recommendation. I am trying not to have to rent a car for a two day visit to the area, which means I will be using trains to get around. The good news is there is access to a few clubs, the bad news is I won't be able to visit Villa Vertigo, one of my favorites.
Any info along these lines would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
Sky
Etap Hotel in Willich?
Etap Hotel in Willich?
That's the one, THANKS!!
That's the one, THANKS!!
No problem! Stayed there last month. A basic hotel but comfortable enough and very clean. Just like all the Etaps. Very handy for LivingRoom
CD
That's the one, THANKS!!
Not really practical for LR since the hotel is nowhere near. I think it is about 25km away. So, a taxi is ok. There are hotels nearer. There is an ibis is Neuss and I thinks a sports hotel within walking distance.
No... The Etap in Willich is about 12km away. So a short taxi journey.
The Etap Willich (will cost in the region of Euro 30 - 40, depending on whether you book in advance (internet rate) or not.
http://www.accorhotels.com/gb/hotel-2622-etap-hotel-etap-hotel-duesseldorf-west-will/index.shtml
The Park Inn in Kaarst is about 1km (walking distance) from Living Room.
Cost in the region of Euro 50 at weekends (advance internet rate).
http://www.park-inn-duesseldorf-kaarst.de/
CD
Not really practical for LR since the hotel is nowhere near. I think it is about 25km away. So, a taxi is ok. There are hotels nearer. There is an ibis is Neuss and I thinks a sports hotel within walking distance.
That's the one, THANKS!!
Best option if you dont have a car is the ISA. about 100 meters from LivingRoom. Price 40€ weekends, 49€ weekdays. Ok hotel, have stayed there several times. You will save on taxi so it will end up being cheaper than Etap
http://www.internationalsportarena.de/hotel.htm
You can book direct or (021 31 / 76 47 00) or use a agent f.ex. hrs.de. Usually same price
IMO the Park-Inn sucks. The corridors and rooms smell like someone threw up all over the place and if it gets very hot outside, their AC gives up and shuts down from overload. Had that happen to me last summer, not a pleasant night sleep. I would pick the ISA if only visiting LR and Etap if visiting other clubs in the area.
That's the one, THANKS!!
So there you go Sky Ryder, thanks to Henio and myself you now have three hotels to choose from. Should you choose to rent an auto and visit VillaVertigo, I would go with the Etap and save some money on the accomodation.
CD
Spoke to one of the ladies at Living Room yesterday and she stays at the ISA hotel.
If ISA is booked you could try hotel Garni in Buttgen. It is 3.8 km from LR. I scouted it out yesterday morning as I wanted to find somewhere closer than Heide Camp for my next expedition.
Z
Best option if you dont have a car is the ISA. about 100 meters from LivingRoom. Price 40€ weekends, 49€ weekdays. Ok hotel, have stayed there several times. You will save on taxi so it will end up being cheaper than Etap
http://www.internationalsportarena.de/hotel.htm
You can book direct or (021 31 / 76 47 00) or use a agent f.ex. hrs.de. Usually same price
IMO the Park-Inn sucks. The corridors and rooms smell like someone threw up all over the place and if it gets very hot outside, their AC gives up and shuts down from overload. Had that happen to me last summer, not a pleasant night sleep. I would pick the ISA if only visiting LR and Etap if visiting other clubs in the area.
I second with Park-Inn. It sucks. I stay there two years ago. It was in the same smelly conditions. So, no renovation since then. The big parking area is always full when you get the hotel late. The only pro was the marvelous breakfast.
Andypandara
07-12-10, 05:35
Hey CD, the prices on the UK site are indeed good, even better than the local offers on the .de site if one books ahead of time (I tried pricing a 09:00 Thursday to 09:00 Monday using the deal "Book in advance and SAVE!" offer code 708727) and was quoted 80 euros for the cheapest and next two classes also at a good price (Focus station for less than 100€).
Thanks for the info, the UK site indeed seems to price according to weekend rates starting anytime Thursday and allows you to book 4 days for similar price you get 3 days on the local .de weekend offer.
Don't know why I have not tried the UK Hertz site before, but from now on it has a honorary placement on my rent-a-car links :-)I did a booking on hertz. De and one on hertz. Co. Uk and yes, the UK rate is cheaper, but I am seeing a 600km limit, whereas the hertz. De rate, although higher is unlimited mileage. By my calculations, if I drove over 750km over the four day (thurs. Mon) I would have the car, it would be much prefereable to just accept the higher rate from hertze. De.
I am thinking with the spread between the places I want to visit over the four days in October, I might be better off with the higher initial rate.
Bacon Sandwich
07-12-10, 19:56
I'm sure this has been asked before, but have not found it after a cursory search. I'm heading to fkk land this coming Sunday and Monday, and just wondered which clubs are looking good in terms of service/looks on those two days, which are notoriously slow at a lot of clubs, I know. Any advice appreciated!
I stayed at the Park Inn in April at the recommendation of a good Icebear friend who knows I don't like budget motels. I liked the hotel so much I extended my stay to 5 nites. I noticed no bad smells in any area I went. My room was large by German standards. It had a couch and coffee table besides desk and bed. Plus the breakfast was great. For around 50eur I thought this hotel was the best bargin I have found in Europe.
The only downside is you really need a car to stay here.
Andypandara
07-14-10, 17:18
When it comes to the girlies, I love them all but I have a special propensity for a nice, firm C/D cup girl and all natural, no implants.
Unfortunately, I live in sunny California, the home of more than one silicon valley. Theres nothing worse to my sense of aesthetics than girls with perfectly round, hard orbs attached to their chests! What I really like is a girl with tits (and overall shape) like this lovely creature, with a nice natural droop.
So here is my question, how predominant is the use of implants in the larger busted SW population in these clubs? Are the German and EE girls in this club more "naturally gifted"? I sure hope so!!
I know this might be kind of a silly question, but I think my perspective might be warped from "living in LA".
Andypandara
07-14-10, 17:26
Hey, I am using Google Translate pretty heavily and I keep seeing the term "Body Insemination" returned as one of the services provided by many girls. Certainly this does not mean the same as AO, which would be more my literal interpretation of the English translation.
Does this just mean vaginal penetration and climax, with condom?
I looking for a recommendation for a FKK Club. I have been to eight partytreffs in the area in two previous trips but never to a FK&K.
Golden Time seems to have excellent facilities by the looks of their website. I am interested in a place where you could have sessions outside to take advantage of the summer weather. I see they have chaise lounges outside as well as some cabins/ huts. I'll be there the night of August 26th, a Thursday and I will be arriving about 19:00 to 19:30. I assume the place is somewhat lit up at night. Do they have a swimming pool, I didn't see one, I saw they have a jacuzzi.
Is there any other place nearby that has some type of unique atmosphere, etc. to heighten the experience?
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