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You can use cash or credit at the three big clubs. Oase, Atlantis, and World. They take all major credit cards but charge a 30% fee.
Do you mean a 3% fee?
Tantrik,
I don't think Oase or Atlantis are easily reached by public transportation. In Frankfurt you can get to FKK 35 by streetcar and a little walking, and you can get to FKK Dietzenbach by bus (see the appropriate forums for directions).
V.
LOL, Badass....3%... :-D .... when I was there last year it was 10%. Prices usually go up.
NB
Tantrik,
Oase is fairly accessible via train from FRA and then taxi. See previous post a couple of months back in the appropriate place. Atl and World are less accessible...The more local clubs such as Dietzenbach and FKK 35 are easily reachable. I would still recommend a car - get a good rental deal and even with the astronomical gasoline prices it's much easier to get around and definitely more time efficient and convenient.
the big clubs have saunas, hot tubs, masseuses, TV with live sports, bars and people to talk to. I usually spend 8-10 hours at a club, and don't remember being "bored". You're in every man's fantasy when you're there, and amongst the select few in the world who are lucky enough to be able to enjoy this fantasy. So bored doesn't enter into the equation.
enjoy
Tantrik
If you're going to use public transport get times and fares from the bahn.de website (there is an English option). It's detailed, accurate and even gives maps if you have to walk the last five minutes. In terms of ease to get to by public transport I think it's Oase, World. and then Atlantis.
Taking a car is by far the best option - then you can visit more than one club if one turns out to be not to your liking. A twoday car hire from Alamo can be as little as 80Euro. Some other rental companies appear to have similar prices but have add-ons (e.g. AAvis ccharges over 20E a day for CDW excess reduction - Alamo only charges 4E!) This compares well to the cost of two trips by train and then taxi to any of the clubs - and it's a lot quicker.
I'm sorry, it's 10% as Nastyboy states. Normally, I charge 300 euros on my credit card and give them 30 euros.
Thanks guys!
Really appreciate the info. Wondering if I'll choose Amsterdam instead though - ticket prices there are only 100 euro compared to 350 to Frankfurt, and Amsterdam seems to be a more fun place to be in between the action...
Tantrik
Be warned Amsterdam is the most overrated sex destination (possibly worldwide)
Yes if you are intrested in have a good time and are looking to get high in the coffee shops or more then its worth going just for that reason only.
But if its goood sex you are looking for and value for money then nothing beats Germany in the whole of western Europe "Period"
If you are sex starved ? and dont know anything better then Amsterdam might meet your needs and you will come home happy and content.
I personally recommend that you spend the extra money on the airfair and enjoy the best in Europe = GERMANY
BTW you could always fly to Amstedam and rent a car (get a good winter price deal ) drive two and a half hours on the great highways and you are in the Dusseldorf/ Klon region of FKK clubs another 2 hours and your in Frankfurt (Atlantis World and Oases are a bit closer.)
I dont know where you are coming from but Klon Dusseldorff on some of the cheaper cut rate airline like Berlin-air have some great prices on the net
I'm definately going because of the girls, no question about it. However, I wouldn't mind having something to do in between the sessions, and that's why Amsterdam seems better. Since I don't have a drivers license, it seems like the time spent travelling from the FKKs to the nearest city whenever I become bored with the girls will make it a bit impractical.
The average going rate for sex appears to be 50 euro for half an hour in the FKKs, and 100 in Amsterdam. However, you can get hourly rates at around 100 euro in Amsterdam too, if you visit a Privehuis. As for the quality of the girls, I use the Ignatzmice device, which contains reviews of and directions to some great girls. I wish something like that were implemented here, it's a search angine containing info on rating, looks etc., REALLY practical. Ignatzmice is a cityguide for Amsterdam, btw.
I want to spend around 1500 euro total on 4 days. I'll spend 200 on a hostal, and 200 for transport and food and stuff. The plane ticket to Frankfurt is 350, and it's 100 to Amsterdam. That means I can spend 750 euro on mongering in FKKs, or 1000 in Amsterdam. Using the prices I mentioned earlier, I might get a couple of more lays in the FKKs, however, the difference isn't big. Also, Amsterdam is a fun city, and FKKs are basically for screwing and nothing else. Fun for a couple of hours or six, but not the best place to stay all day for four days straight probably.
It appears to me that Amsterdam is a bad place to go if you're an average tourist and just want to try your luck at the kamers. However, I'll have work schedules and adresses to 20-30 top class girls if I go there, so I won't be relying on luck to get good company.
Do I make sense here wizard? Anyone else with an opinion?
You can also get a fast intercity train from Amsterdam to Klon Dusseldorf and Frankfurt from the central station they run very regulary. And take about the same time as a car trip.
That is if you find that the sex in Amsterdam is not up to the standard that you were expecting.
If you are not mobile then you can stick to the smaller FKK clubs in or closer to the main citys.
Or maybe if you are inquistive to at least try out one of the BIG clubs (Oases is the easiest to get to by public transport)
With this in mind you will have all the options available to you.
Should you find that Amsterdam is dissapointing for sex after giving it a try for a day or so.
Wiz, Tantrik,
I've been following your dialogue amd have my own 2 sense.
Tantrik - Go to Amsterdam for fun - great city, sights, people, beer, smokes, do the tourist thing, RLD, museums - I agree it's a can't miss city for an American abroad. Stay 2 days.
But the Wiz is right - you will never get your money's worth of sex there. Take the train to D-dorf or Frankfurt. Follow the thread here and find a nice inexpensive place to stay near one of the big clubs and fck your brains out for 15 hours a day for the other 2 days. This way you'll maximize your investment, see the sights of A-dam and have an otherworldly experience draining yourself into many beautiful women - Can't lose man....
Michaels12
02-05-04, 03:29
What are the health requirements for the girls in the RLD and Fkk clubs? Do the girls at the Fkk club's get the same testing, ie. health checks as the RLD girl's. Does anybody know the frequency of testing and if so, do the Fkk club's enforce the public health codes. Really important from a public safety point of view.
Thanks
There are no health checks in RLD'S. None whatsoever. There used to be such a thing, but they figured out that it didn't provide any real form of safety and was just an administrative nightmare and got rid of it a bunch of years ago.
Also there are no checks in FKK's either. Some girls claim to get checked on a regular basis, but I think most prefer to remain blissfully ignorant.
I surf the german boards a lot and rarely read about guys complaining about STD's in FKK's. BBBJ's are the norm. I have to say that I once got a case of Gonnorhea from an FKK, but Cypro took care of that. I read of one other Gonnorhea case on the german boards, but otherwise haven't heard many complaints.
Sex is never completely safe, and prostitution isn'T either. If you want sterile perfectly safe sex stick with a monagomous relationship.
Peter
I had read that German workers were required for health checks, is this no longer true? Or was it "just on the books" and never implemented? Also, are FKK clubs officially legal or just allowed?
Main Man,
No Law, no checks. There used to be a so-called "Randy License" (Bock-Schein) which prostitutes in Eros Centres had to have to work. That was an idea from the 60's and since the nature of prostitution and disease have changed these regulations have changed. If you are paranoid, don't monger!
Prostitution is not Illegal in German, but promoting prostitution or living off the avails of prostitution are. That is why this area is always a grey-zone. Some cities try to make sure that an FKK can't open, but they are dealing mainly with zoning regulations.
The way that FKK's conform to the law is the following:
Men pay an entrance fee
Women pay an entrance fee
what happens when they meet is all their business.
The clubs cannot take a cut of the women's earnings, otherwise they would be in strange legal territory.
Most of these clubs get raided by the police on average every second year. They are looking for illegal immigrrants and people working without proper papers, sometimes for drugs, they don't bother the customers. I have been involved in 2 raids and never had to do more than show my ID.
On a recent trip to Atlantis there was a police road block on the road there and they stopped a lot of cars and searched mine. They were looking for people trafficking drugs and people.
I have also been followed by a cop leaving Wildenrath who pulleed me over to see whether I was driving drunk. He saw me leave the parking lot and probably just wanted to annoy me.
In any serious FKK (all the ones mentioned here), you don't have to worry about the legal situation.
Peter
Peter,
My confusion was in regards to a late 80s Bavarian program that was (apparantly) never implemented.
Don't be suprised if my ideas are outdated. After all, I'm from America where our President is seeking to implement 13th centrury ideals. I wouldn't be suprised if we end up using the Gregorian chant as the Nat'l anthem. LOL. As for me, I don't think I personally want to be around the condomless sex with or without disease testing. I envy you guys who get to do it with no guilt though! If it weren't for my gf maybe I could too.
Hello Friends,
I am interested in finding Turkish women in Germany. Any ideas on where I can find the maximum amount of Turkish women in an FKK Club? Any links?
Thanks
CBGBConnisur
02-16-04, 03:19
Zeybek most of the major FKK clubs will have at least a few Turkish women. Your best chances of finding them will be at Frankfurt area clubs like Atlantis, Oase, and FKK World.
Lover Boy #2
02-16-04, 05:02
What does DATY stand for in English? It would be used in a sentence like "she enjoyed DATY"?
Hi,
I see this question in the Forum ocassionally, so I have to ask: In your browser, can you see the link labeled "Terms and Abbreviations" in the black menu bar at the top of this page? Apparently there must be some problem with the visibility of this link in some browsers, so any feedback you could give me would help me identify the specific problem.
jackson@wsgforum.com
Thanks,
Jackson
Sage advice, to be sure, is given just below. A further note, however: I remember a club in Essen, I believe, Club Penelope that was supposed to be run by Turks and it is said they have all Turkish women there. I cannot verify as I've never been myself, but it might be worth investigating esp if you are in that part of Germany.
CBGBConnisur
02-16-04, 19:35
Penelope in Essen is owned by Turks but there are all sorts of women there. Its pretty much a mix that similar to most FKK clubs in the area with Eastern European, Turkish, Morroccan, and a few German women. Babylon has had some good looking Turkish women, in fact the manager of club when I went there was Turkish.
Lover Boy #2
02-17-04, 10:04
Jackson, thanks for the direction to the terms and abbreviations area. It does appear in my browser and I was able to find the information. Looking quickly, I thought it was like terms of using the site and I thought I had previously looked at it when I signed on. Thanks for pointing out my error. Also, English is a third language for me and I sometimes miss things.
As to the Turkish question; Penelope in Essen does have the average number of Turkish girls working there, but the attraction is that the clientele is Turkish and all Turkish men are given admittance. This is not the case at all FKK clubs in Germany and this is caused by many Germans believing that there are too many Turks in Germany. They believe that Berlin has become the second largest Turkish populated city in the world and many Germans are upset by this. I am not personally upset by this, and there are two sides to every story.
I am not sure that Penolope is "Turkish owned". I believe it is managed by a Turkish woman and the clientele over the years has been moved to the Turkish community to fill a Nord Rhein vacuum. There will be a tremendous amount of smoking in this club, so be aware of that. Also, it is sad to say, but these gentlemen do not get the best service from the girls. So, this house is not the best place to go because the girls are used to treating the Turkish men (not 100%).
Believe me, you are better off at PHG. There are at least 4 Turkish girls working most of the time and you are almost guaranteed a great time.
Hi Lover Boy,
I'm impressed. Your English is better than most Americans.
Thanks,
Jackson
Looks like Penelope and PHG are places to go to get some ethnic girls (Turkish, Moroccan). I had been to Atlantis and Oase and had nice sessions with a Turkish and a Moroccan.
Where can I find Perian, East Inidans (and Pakistani too)?
Trip to Hannover coming up - anyone have any recent experiences at FKK Villa? I was there before the summer and it was pretty slow then...any updates or infor from other sources?
Lover Boy #2
02-18-04, 11:28
There was a Persian girl (Iranian) working at the Cocoon in Wuppertal. She had some good reports from my friends. If you ask at the front desk area, they should know who she is. There was a Syrian girl at the Atlantis. She also got a good report, but below the Iranian. There was an East Indian girl working at Bochum (39 Freud. Str.). I have never come across a Pakistani worker in over 30 years in this hobby (in German brothel). I do not go to the windows, and this possibly is the best place to find a worker from Pakistan. As you realize, the girls move around a lot and it is difficult to pin them down. The Iranian at Cocoon was there for a while though.
Loverboy,
There is a half pakistani girl named Sara, about 22 Y/O working in Babylon, at least she has been for about a year and a half. She used to work in Atlantis, that was the first time I booked her. she is quite cute, with a nice body. when I booked her in Atlantis about 2-3 years ago together with Patricia it was a bad sesssion. Sara had a foul smell down south. Although I find her look quite good I haven't booked her again because I keep thinking of that poor smell that time.
Peter
CBGBConnisur
02-19-04, 03:41
East Indian women are very rare in Germany, however in terms of appearance many Turkish and Persian women are very similar in appearance. In fact everytime I think I see a pretty East Indian girl, she is either Greek, Turkish, or Persian. You might find some East Indian women in the UK, they as they have a large South Asian population.
There are several Turkish girls I have reported on at Dietzenbach.
Mark
Peter,
I've been with Sara on a number of occasions going DATY on her for long periods of time and I don't recall any funky smell or taste. And yes, she is very pretty IMO... tight little petite body you can play spinner with. Ironically what bugs me about her is that her teeth are quite crooked lol.
Anyhoo, if I walk into Babylon and see Laura, the teen beauty queen from Cologne, I can't concentrate on anybody else.
There's a Tunisian gal there, I think her name is Leila, big fun natural D cups... olive skin, very pretty, got those mysterious middle-eastern eyes, she might fit the bill?
CBGBConnisur
02-20-04, 01:13
FKK Lover, you referring to Laila, the really tall half Tunisian half German chic? She is hot, though my personal best experience was with a woman named Chanel, who is part Turkish part German. I might be mixing Leila up with Celina who bears a similar description. She has a friend that walks around with her a lot.
Zeybek,
During my last visit to FKK 35 in Frankfurt (Nov. 2003), I spent time with a Turkish woman named Assya (Assia??). She was the only woman of Turkish descent that I saw there.
You will find my report in the FKK F35 Frankfurt forum dated Dec. 15, 2003.
V.
CBGB, no I wouldn't call Laila tall. I'm guessing about 5'4" without the heels. Voluptious, though not plump, big non-saggy boobies and a nice big shapely rear to match. Black straight short hair. A little quiet, but smiles alot and is very friendly.
Lover Boy #2
02-20-04, 07:29
Peter,
I am like you. Once that situation occurs, I can never go back to that again. I am very lucky in that I have had this happen extremely few times. I wish it would never happen, but some people don't know how to treat business equipment in any enterprise.
By the way, Mark is right about Dietzenbach, but this is a lower tier club. It might be good for a local patron, but if you are coming from a long distance, the selection is few and the quality cannot be compared with the better clubs.
CBG,
Yes, it is a conservative culture. I am part Turkish actually. It's easy to get Turkish girls in Turkey but it is a CONSIDERABLE time investment. They won't put out fast, and I am not talking about paid service. Bud I do like Turkish babes too, so I am planning an FKK Trip and checking out the Turkish scene.
Oddly enough, from what I have read here, because of the rude and obnoxious behaviour of my half-brethren, some Turks are not allowed in FKK Clubs? I am not sure about this, I hope not. I don't look anything like your typical Turk but I do have a Turkish name.
Zeybek,
The only club that I know that has an official policy of not letting Turks in is one in dortmund, that I am not even sure if it even still exists.
Some clubs like PHG might tell groups of turks that it is too full, but normal looking well behaved single turks get in all the time. It is the large groups that get turned away or guys who look like they might cause problems. The group thing also applies to other nationalities.
They don't ask for your name until after they let you in, then it is too late to turn you away.
Keep the gold chains and polyester shirts at home and noone will notice you're turkish.
Peter
CBGBConnisur
02-28-04, 00:14
Zeybek, German women are probably the least racist women you will meet on the planet. In fact German men are also the least prejudiced European males I have encountered. It is not uncommon in most cosmopolitan Western German cities to see mixed couples. There are nearly ten million non-German residents in this country so being a foreigner is not neccesarily a bad thing. In fact the first time I visited Germany, I found that Germans were extremely tolerant and friendly, and that a lot of the stories and warnings that said the majority of Germans were xenophobic and bigoted were not true. To be realistic, there are people like that in Germany but then again you will meet people like that everywhere. There are regions in Eastern Germany particularly in remote areas where there is a lot of xenophobia but in the Western half of the country or in big cities like Berlin and Dresden this won't be a problem. Many Germans have an eye for all things exotic so being exotic looking or non-European is not a bad thing at all in Germany, in fact, I know a few friends there who say it might even be an advantage. I remember there was this one swinger club near the Dutch German border where a group of black men entered and you should have seen the reaction of the German women in the club. The women chased this group like fans chasing a boy band. The German ladies were literally fighting each other to get a chance with the group of black men. I also remember a German bank commercial that featured a German woman and a black man in a romantic embrace. I still have yet to see such progressive advertising by such a large financial institution in North America.
Iceberg Slim
02-28-04, 07:59
I visited the Reepbahn in Hamburg few times , on my own and with business colleagues. As I passed the SW near the police station in front of the Burger King, the girls sollicited aggressively anybody who is caucasian looking, no matter what age. I happen to be sort of more Mediterranean looking. I noticed the girls ignored me and anybody who is not caucasian looking. Does anybody has had such experience to share. I read threads that that these girls are to be avoided anyway.
I am no expert but i would say that in germany the girls tend to not like the turks. not all say this and i never ask but i hear it so this could be why.
CBGBConnisur
02-29-04, 01:44
The Reeperbahn in Hamburg is a ripoff. As for the attitude that some German prostitutes have towards Turkish males, that can get complicated. There have been some incidents where Turkish customers have beaten up or threatened a prostitute so thaty might make them more defensive. However, German women can actually be quite fond of foreign men because there was a survey saying that most German women found that most German men couldn't satisfy them. (I.e. if you're African American you will get a lot of pussy in Germany, there was even a book written about the German female infatuation with black men written by some big American researcher) So foreigners can indeed do very well with the local German women. If you go to FKK clubs in the southern regions of Germany most of the women are not even German and in fact many Turkish women work in these clubs. FKK clubs mostly hire quality talent not the trash you see in Hamburg's Reeperbahn. If you see German prostitutes biased against Turkish customers the vice versa scenario plays it self out with Turkish female prostitutes. Turkish women will give preferential treatment to Turkish men or other Eastern looking guys. So the favortism thing turns tables in clubs with many Turkish women. Turkish women prefer Eastern guys and treat them better than white men because they are generally more comfortable with them. In general, the Turkish women at FKK clubs will give a good session and treat all clients well but as far as getting extras( like their phone number or meeting them for date outside the club ) only Turkish guys or other Eastern guy will get those. A lot of the Turkish girls will reveal more personal information with me that they would never share with German guys. IMHO, Turkish women in Germany are far more beautiful than German women. I've gotten the phone numbers of the Turkish working ladies, went on dates with some of them, one even asked me if I was married because she was looking for a husband and thought I was a good candidate. Turkish women in Germany are very Western yet they don't date Western guys very often and tend to stick with their own or with other Easterners. You will often hear about Turkish males married to German women but German men married to Turkish women is far less frequent. I've gotten very friendly with a lot of the Turkish ladies and they gotten a lot more personal with me than with white customers. In fact I asked a German friend about finding out about a particular girl who is Turkish who used to work at club I frequented. I wanted to know where she currently worked and this guy couldn't get the information from her friend who is also Turkish. I went to the place myself and the this lady gave me the information that she refused to give to my German friend. So the door swings both ways, and anyway its no big loss if some German hookers are bitches because you can find plenty of regular German women(every female coworker of mine in Frankfurt wanted to fuck me and I got sexually harassed all the time by these German ladies), and the Turkish women in Germany are far more fun, as well as the Eastern European ladies. So its no big loss if some street hookers in Hamburg ignored you because there are better things elsewhere.
CBGB
Thanks for that Great Post:
Actually I was never refused, as a matter of fact I have never been to Germany. I am planning to goal, and one of the things that I prefer to check out is the "Turkish" women in Germany. I have met a lot of Turkish girls in Turkey who were visiting from Germany and they were really uninhibited, and willing to party like crazy. But I know they do usually stick to the Turks. German women are great and all but just doesn't do it for me.
I had remembered reading from earlier posts (see I do read before I post) where it was mentioned you might have problems if you are a Turk. But now I am pretty confident that will not be an issue.
I have seen hundreds of German women, drop dead gorgeous 10s come to Turkey in their summer vacations to hook up with these bus driver/waiter/student Turkish guys who are butt ugly. I wondered to myself what these girls were thinking...but I guess the German guys don't cut it anymore :) Go to Turkey one summer, places like Bodrum, or Alanya and check it out for yourself. I'ts amazing.
But thanks for all the tips. I will have lotsa funn in the Fkks :)
My experience with Turkish dudes in the clubs is that they are rather loud, rude, and obnoxious even in the locker where just men are changing and getting ready to go party.
When they are not present, the atmosphere is more dignified and more upperclass in manner where everyone is respectful of everyone elses space and more polite with each other.
I can understand why they may not be allowed in certain clubs. I seem to see a lot of them at the train station, red light places like the Bandhahm in D-dorf.
As far as the girls preference, I would think they prefer those little metal things that go jingle, jangle, jingle. In other words, coins. I saw a guy in Atlantis wearing a prosthesis for his leg, below the knee. Now I would never do a girl with an artificial leg, but I know the girls will take care of him as long as he can cover the charges.
Just my 2 cents.
NB
CBGBConnisur
03-01-04, 19:40
NB, you are right to a point, money talks and everything walks in the FKK clubs. However, it is often hard to tell if a person is Turkish by how they look like. I used to have a neighbor back in New York who had Blonde hair and green Irish eyes and looked like he was an Irish guy straight out of Dorchester Boston. But guess what? He was Turkish. Some Turks are light skinned and white looking and others are darker in appearance. Most people assume a Turk has brown or olive skin and dark hair but there are many who could easily pass for a European. I one time told a friend that when I was visiting Holland, the local blondes were really friendly, he told me that there was a good chance that those blondes were probably white Turks. So in essence many Turkish people have different looks.
Zeybek, that is some funny shit that those Turkish guys hooked up with German 10s. I am wondering, are they darker skinned Turks that hooked up with these German chics? I knew an Indian guy who went to Germany who hooked up with a lot of German women because they thought he was black. I know that a lot of German women dig darker looking guys because they're exotic in the eyes of German women.
CBGBConnisur
03-02-04, 03:54
Zeybek, your observation about regular Turkish guys hooking up with some hot German women exposes a difference in attitude between North American and European ladies that I have noticed. Those female German tourists overlook the fact that those Turkish guys are just regular average joes in average jobs. I can parallel this behavior with that of American women in a resort area in Mexico. In many ways this analogy holds true, many Mexicans migrate to the US and many Turks migrate to Germany. Both locations are respectively popular vacation spots. One time, when I was on vacation in Mexico near the hotel pool I happened to listen to a conversation between a group of American females. They were in a very spirited discussion about the local Mexican males and the tone of the conversation was very negative. Their attitude was one that was extremely condescending towards the local males. They kept complaining about how annoying the Mexican guys were and how they were annoyed that the local guys kept trying to hook up with them and get friendly. One lady said, "These guys don't speak English and have lame jobs like waitering and cleaning the rooms." This is the attitude that many American woman have is that they value the dollar and the other superficial aspects of a man. This is a sharp contrast compared to German females in Turkey who are eager to meet local guys regardless of their socioeconomic status. Even the insinuation that you say these guys are "butt ugly" might not be valid in the eyes of these German female tourists. Well maybe to these German women the look of the local guys are exotic to them. And the fact that they are hooking up with these guys whether they are bus drivers or waiters, shows they aren't so obsessed with money. I am currently in Australia and the attitude of the local Australian women is comparable to that of German ladies being that they are very open minded and unpretentious in comparison to North American women.
Hi Friends:
Actually when I said my "butt-ugly" bretheren were making like bandits with some fiiine german ass, I wasn't being condescending to them. I am a Turk myself (half/half), but I am white. These guys were DARK. It's clear to me that you will have better chance with the Nordic women if you are DARK. Actually, it's funny, one of the guys I met at a resort in Bodrum was a hotel photographer. This guy would take your picture for like $5 or something. I was chatting with him about the European Ass. Now mind you, this guy was from the village, and he was decent looking.
So he whips out his private album and shows me some of the poses.....Wow!!! And these poses were him and the ladies, and let me tell you, I had respect for this guy. He told me how places like SIDE in southern Turkey (close to Antalya) where German women come by BUSLOADS to hook up with sex crazed Turkish guys. You have to understand, your typical Turkish guy is sexually depraved in Turkey. So when a foreign woman comes along she is like Gold. Turkish girls put out too, but you really really have to work it. Even if you are a Turk. So most Turks will go for the best bang for the buck. No pun intended. And like I said, these guys are simple, often times poor, dark Turkish guys who really screw these girls senseless. I made a joke to one of the waiters in the resort in Bodrum and his response was "It's not our fault if all the German guys are gay or can't get it up?" (Actually more like German men are probably not as depraved sexually as Turkish men). go figure.
I agree about the German or European women's attitude versus American women: I find American women to be the most pampered, most shallow, and most unintelligent example of the female species...(oooh, a little bitterness perhaps ha ?) European women are very good to hook up with.
You also have to realize, when all these northern european women descend on these Aegean or Meditarrenean countries like Turkey, Greece, Italy, they are looking to get some major ass. That's another difference: European women are far more advanced with their sexuality than American women. Even the *****s are hideous in America. You should see what some of these paid ladies are charging: The way they look, they should be paying the guys. But that's my 2 cents.
If you guys want some major places to hit in Turkey to have fun, let me know.
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The Turkish people are soooooooooooo superior.
CBGBConnisur
03-03-04, 21:03
NB, ??????
Mr Bluenose
03-05-04, 15:34
I'm off to either the PHG or Wildenrath tomorrow night and my question is this. I'm looking for a couple of 1 hour, 75 Euro sessions just for something different. What's the score with these sessions? If you pop within 20 minutes is that it? Or if you can manage it 3 times in an hour is that ok? Or does it just vary from place to place and girl to girl? I'll post up my results in any case. I would have been at PHG last week but I got caught in a snowstorm, got hopelessly lost and ended up going home for a wank!
CBGBConnisur
03-05-04, 17:28
If you pay for an hour at PHG you will get an hour, anyhow these girls aren't into rushing you like the American *****s so you won't have problems. These FKK clubs are very customer service oriented, so if a girl gives you any attitude you should complain to the management, they take this stuff very SERIOUSLY, and I have heard of girls being fined by the club or even fired if they have a habit of being bitchy with customers. The German clubs are nothing like the Nevada brothels where they treat customers like dirt even after all the money they spend. This problem however is rare in the FKK clubs located in the Ruhr which depend upon regular customers for their revenue. If you go to the bigger clubs in Frankfurt customer service will be a hit and miss.
Mr Blue....
I recommend negotiating with each girl before going upstairs. Some have told me that even if I pay for an hour as soon as I pop the party is over. It is good to know beforehand. However, I recall a post by Peter, (not to steal his thunder), where he told his honey in advance he wanted an hour and she threw in the anal at half price. I, however, more often not, get a lot of free extra time for the 30 minute price.
I don't recommend this in Nevada, though. They will make you eat shit with chocolate sprinkles on top.
NB
NB,
I never had a girl throw in Anal at half price. Anal does cost 50€ extra if te girl offers it at Wildenrath and PHG. I have had girls ask for it for free, but those are these strange brazilians that are sometimes into it.
At both PHG and Wildenrath the girls will stay in the room with you for the full hour if you book the full hour. However, if you leave the room with the girl under 30 minutes then she will only charge you for 30 minutes. You also don't have to tell the girl how long you plan to book her for ahead of time. If you get the feeling that she is in more of a rushthan you are looking for you can say, let's stay for half an hour.
If xyou are first timer they often ask you if you know the price structure. Use that as an opportunity to say you would like to take an hour session for 75€, and maybe extend that, because you want to take some time to get to know her and really enjoy yourself. They only react poorly to the 25€ session.
That's my thunder!
Peter
Sorry Peter, my mistake.
I was referring to this from your May 26 post:
"When I agressively went back around to rim her again she asked me if I were up for Anal. I asked how much? she said add 50€ and said, "that's a good price for anal!" Just a side note, after checking on e-bay 50€ really does seem to be a good price for anal. this girl is all about value for money."
I always thought anal was 100. Maybe that's Atlantis. More incentive to visit Wildenrath.
NB
Hello,
Last time I was in Frankfurt (Oct 03), I visited Atlantis, but wasn't impressed by the selection. Probably about 15 girls on a Friday from 12-3, and none were stunners. I will be in Frankfurt again at the end of April and was wondering if bros can recommend another club at that time of year. Or is Atlantis the best there is?
I am only in my late 20's, so looking for fairly young, slim women at these clubs.
Thanks for you help. I'll let you know how the trip goes!
I am going to be in Germany this summer: Munich for 2 days, Frankfurt for 2 days, Dusseldorf for 1 day.
I am from England and would like to experience my first visit to a FKK club. But as I will be using public transport and have no car and do not want to pay expensive taxis, I will be limited to clubs which are located in the city, easily accessible by S-bahn or U-bahn or bus.
From my research it seems that the only FKK club which is based in town is the Palace (formerly Paradise?) in Frankfurt. Price is 60 entry + 60, which seems expensive but will be OK as my first try of a FKK club.
Any comments or suggestions for a newbie?
Thankyou.
AP
CBGBConnisur
03-19-04, 19:05
Alfonso, avoid clubs in Munich like the bubonic plague, and focus on FKK clubs near the NRW(Koln-Dusseldorf-Bonn) and Frankfurt.
The list of must see FKK Clubs near Frankfurt are:
Oase, Atlantis, and Chantal Chevalier. In Dusseldorf there are many fine places in that region: Planet Happy Garden and Babylon are my two favorites but they are outside of Dusseldorf, Babylon is closer to Koln.
>Alfonso, avoid clubs in Munich like the bubonic plague,<
I will concentrate on beer drinking while I am in Munich. I believe there is a RLD at Augsburg if I feel horny.
>and focus on FKK clubs near the NRW(Koln-Dusseldorf-Bonn) and Frankfurt.
The list of must see FKK Clubs near Frankfurt are:
Oase, Atlantis, and Chantal Chevalier. In Dusseldorf there are many fine places in that region: Planet Happy Garden and Babylon are my two favorites but they are outside of Dusseldorf, Babylon is closer to Koln.<
Thanks for the list. But it seems that I need a car to get to these places. Or an expensive taxi fare!
AP
Alfonso,
FKK 35 in Frankfurt is easily reached by S-bahn public transportation. Club Dietzenbach is also easily reached by bus in Frankfurt. Search the forums for more information.
V.
Alfonso:
You might want to skip Chantal Chevalier. It's closed.
Forget F35 and Sudfass in Frankfurt. Best possibilities are Palace, Oase, Atlantis or with train to Giessen´s FKK-World. Taxi costs from Train station around 10 Euros. Munich: Sudfass is great but too expensive. Augsburg: Never was there till yet, but heard 80% good comments about it.
"Oase, Atlantis, and Chantal Chevalier. In Dusseldorf there are many fine places in that region: Planet Happy Garden and Babylon are my two favorites but they are outside of Dusseldorf, Babylon is closer to Koln.<
Thanks for the list. But it seems that I need a car to get to these places. Or an expensive taxi fare!"
The keen mongerer (and one who does his research by reading past posts on this board!) will find a way to circumvent the expenses. For example, FKK Oase, which is a club you should put near the top of your "to-try" list, is, in fact, reachable from central Frankfurt via s-bahn to Friedricksdorf, and then an 8Euro taxi! Hardly expensive. You've already stated you were prepared to go to Augsburg from Munich. How much will that round trip cost you? I bet more than the expenses of S-bahn/taxi to Oase!
One can also get similarly close to PHG with train, thus enabling access with a short taxi ride.
See, were there is a will, and research, there is a way.
Thanks to all who replied to my request for easily-accessible FKK Clubs from city centres.
Before my first visit to a FKK club (probably Club Oase) and have some newbie questions:
* Payment -- when/who do you pay? Do you pay the girl after a session with her, or before the session? If so, where do you keep the cash if you are only wearing a towel?! Does the girl tell you when 30 mins. has passed, so you do not get "stung" for an extra 30 minutes?
* Language difficulties -- do the reception staff at Oase understand English? They must get a lot of American and English people there. I will need to order a taxi when I leave. I presume the reception staff know local taxi people.
* Services -- I understand BBBJ is provided "as standard" by most FKK providers. Is "coming on the girls breasts" charged extra? If so, what phrases might I need to know to negotiate this?
* Big tit queens -- I'm looking for large breasted babes, like the porn stars Lisa Lipps, Minka etc. Any silicone babes at Club Oase?
Thankyou
AP.
CBGBConnisur
03-22-04, 02:55
Language won't be a problem mate, say the magic word "Babylon club" and the driver will know where to take you. As far as the language issues I spoke virtually no German when I visited and had an excellent time, I even made friends with a girl(who now lives with me in Sydney) who spoke very little English, body language and smiling are universal. I have to get back to an "English" lesson with my lovely. I might be biased but Babylon is my favorite club, its like a fine bottle of champagne. Bernd's, Babylon, and PHG are my 3 favorite clubs in the Ruhr. Atlantis and Oase are also must see establishments.
Alfonso:
Answers to your questions:
PAYMENT:
You keep your wallet in a separate locker across from the bar. The locker number matches that of your clothes locker downstairs in the locker room.
After your session, the lady you were with follows you to your wallet locker. You pay her right there. Fifty Euros per half-hour session, for standard sex.
LANGUAGE:
Oase has English speakers on staff. Some of the ladies speak English, too. Ask the woman behind the front desk to introduce you to one, if you want.
When you need a taxi, go back to the front desk and ask the lady to reserve one for you. She'll be glad to do it.
SERVICE:
Yes, BBBJ is standard. But, finishing in the mouth costs 50E extra. I think most ladies also charge 50E extra for the privilege of finishing on their breasts, as well.
"Darf ich auf deine Brüste kommen?" ("May I come on your breasts?") is a polite way to ask for what you want.
Breast finishes are not my thing, so maybe some of the other vets out there can tell you what customers might actually say when they ask for this, and whether or not it's an automatic 50E extra.
BIG TIT QUEENS:
Breast implants are not as common in Germany. Most ladies prefer to remain natural. Those who do opt for implants tend to select more moderate sizes. So, you aren't going to see too many women walking around with massive silicone boulders in their chests.
Hope this helps.
gentlemen,
when i was in germany last time, i used the public transportation. i've been planning to rent a car this time, but i have never driven in germany before. as usual, i've reviewed the board here for information. since i couldn't find the direct or specific answers to the questions lingering on my mind, i decided to post them here hoping many of you can give me some advises or guidance.
1) i know it's a good idea to reserve a rental car in advance, but i wonder if a foreign visitor can just walk up to the car rental counter at the airport and rent it right there (without reservation) after getting off the plane? would you recommend to reserve online or over the phone? will down payment or some kind of deposit be required for reservation? can anyone provide the websites of the popular germany car rental agencies listed in english?
2) similar to question #1 but regarding to hotels, can any tourist just stop by a local hotel and get a room without reservation? has anyone done that?
3) i read different prices of renting a car ranging from 22euro/day to 60euro/day (although the 22euro is highly questionable). are we talking about the total price which includes insurance and taxes? (in the u.s., whenever a car rental agency quotes a rental rate, it doesn't include the insurance and other hidden charges. by the time it adds the insurance and other charges, it'll be freaking $20 to $30 more.)
4) do all the car rental agencies in frankfurt airport offer unlimited mileage which no one seemed to mention? is unlimited mileage automatically assumed? can anyone recommend which rental agency is generally better or cheaper than the other? (for example, in the u.s., avis always offers unlimited mileage while hertz doesn't.)
5) some of you rented cars with gps while other used direction sites like maqquest and map24. can i assume that renting a car with gps is more expensive than the one without? i have never used a gps. the nav system can give voice direction in english, right? i read that nav can sometimes lead you to the wrong direction. if you have never driven in germany, would you solely rely on the nav system that you wouldn't need to bring any (paper) map with you whatsoever? otherwise, i would need to buy many different local maps which i couldn't find in the u.s.
6) i plan to visit 3 frankfurt clubs (atlantis, oase, fkkw) in 2 days. many of you kept saying that it's cheaper to rent a car than to use the trains and/or taxis, which i probably agree, but you didn't seem to mention the cost of filling up the gas tank. can anyone give me an approximation of what the total gas cost would be to drive round trips between each club and a hotel within frankfurt? i know that the gasoline is more expensive in europe than here in the u.s. i guess i try to budget my total traveling expense in advance.
7) are the gas stations pump connected to atm/credit card machines (like those in the u.s.) so that people can use credit card to pay to fill up their cars without speaking to the cashier? if so, does the credit card reader displays english instruction? (this kind of self-service is useful for people who don't speak or speak little german and hence don't have to deal with the language problem.)
8) does a tourist need an international driver license to drive in germany? i can get an international driver license for $10 from aaa motor club of which i'm a member. is that necessary? if a foreign driver ever gets stopped by a police, what kind of identification would s/he need to show? a passport?
9) many of you kindly mentioned radar and speed camera placing on the intersection. what would happen if one gets caught on speeding? how would that scenario work out? would a traffic police chase to stop him (like that in the u.s.) and give him a ticket? would a tourist driver have to pay fine in cash right on the spot if s/he were caught speeding? if a speed camera takes a picture of a car that was speeding, then what? where would that picture and ticket be sent to if that car is a rental car driven by someone who doesn't live in germany?
10) let say i'm driving on a highway and realize that i'm going on the wrong direction, is it ok to turn on the emergency signal and stop on the highway shoulder (if there is one) so that i can look at the map?
i guess i'm generally a "plan for the worst, hope for the best" kind of guy and want to make sure that my trip can go smoothly. pardon me if i may have missed any post that already had the answers to my questions.
Arnie,
While you are correct that many German (European) girls like to remain "natural when it comes to breast size, I haver noticed more and more workers in the FKK scene that have obvious "getunte Titten". Nearly every club has a few breast implant Princesses who work the rooms.
Seek and ye shall find.
Dedalus
singlepro,
here is my reply:
1) i know it's a good idea to reserve a rental car in advance, but i wonder if a foreign visitor can just walk up to the car rental counter at the airport and rent it right there (without reservation) after getting off the plane?
*yes you can. all you need is a drivers license and a credit card. availability is not always guaranteed, you are also not likely to get a better deal than on the internet or booking ahead.
would you recommend to reserve online or over the phone?
*online is probably the best move. try expedia first to get a feeling then go to the individual home pages.
will down payment or some kind of deposit be required for reservation?
*you usually don’t have to have any deposit, you have to give your credit card info, but usually it is just a reservation with no deposit.
can anyone provide the websites of the popular germany car rental agencies listed in english?
*the main agencies in germany are sixt, europcar, hertz, avis, budget. all of the home pages are easy to find.
2) similar to question #1 but regarding to hotels, can any tourist just stop by a local hotel and get a room without reservation? has anyone done that?
*again, theoretically it is no problem. could always end up that it is fully booked when you get there. in the forum there are a number of decnt simple hotels listed near the fkk’s, why don’t you just book ahead, it will save you time and hassles. there are also chain motels like ibis and accor and such where you can just walk up and pretty much always get a room. there are even some that work exclusively through credit card (no personell). but these are not as widespread as in the states. sometimes you can drive 100 miles without seeing any.
3) i read different prices of renting a car ranging from 22euro/day to 60euro/day (although the 22euro is highly questionable). are we talking about the total price which includes insurance and taxes? (in the u.s., whenever a car rental agency quotes a rental rate, it doesn't include the insurance and other hidden charges. by the time it adds the insurance and other charges, it'll be freaking $20 to $30 more.)
*on all the german sites they will quote you a price including all taxes. they have weekend rates which are very cheap and weekday rates. they have to be quite upfront about prices according to german advertising laws. i think budget claims 38€ a day at the moment with unlimited miles.
4) do all the car rental agencies in frankfurt airport offer unlimited mileage which no one seemed to mention? is unlimited mileage automatically assumed? can anyone recommend which rental agency is generally better or cheaper than the other? (for example, in the u.s., avis always offers unlimited mileage while hertz doesn't.)
*it is not assumed, but stated very clearly. check out the home pages. if you are only coming for a few days the internet is the best way. if you are booking for a full week often it is cheaper to go to a us travel agent and buy a voucher, which covers all costs.
5) some of you rented cars with gps while other used direction sites like maqquest and map24. can i assume that renting a car with gps is more expensive than the one without? i have never used a gps. the nav system can give voice direction in english, right? i read that nav can sometimes lead you to the wrong direction. if you have never driven in germany, would you solely rely on the nav system that you wouldn't need to bring any (paper) map with you whatsoever? otherwise, i would need to buy many different local maps which i couldn't find in the u.s.
*or you can buy an authoritative german atlas. these are 200 page books and should be available at a good travel store in the states. i would not rely solely on gps, there are a lot of towns with similar names and if you pick the wrong one you might end up far from where you want to be. rent a car agencies are future used car sales companies, so they put things on they think those customers will want and pay a premium for. most mercedes and bmw’s and upmarket vehicles have gps, most cheap ones don’t. at sixt all mercedes have gps, even the relatively low rental price a class. you can reprogram it to speak and work in english. you might want to have someone from the rental car agency help you make this switch at the airport. if you are just going to the big 3 around frankfurt, then print up some good maps from the internet on how to get from the airport to club 1, 2 and 3 and the hotel. and keep that on you. germany has excellent highways and the most signage in europe. they don’t give north east directions on the highway but the next town is always shown.
6) i plan to visit 3 frankfurt clubs (atlantis, oase, fkkw) in 2 days. many of you kept saying that it's cheaper to rent a car than to use the trains and/or taxis, which i probably agree, but you didn't seem to mention the cost of filling up the gas tank. can anyone give me an approximation of what the total gas cost would be to drive round trips between each club and a hotel within frankfurt? i know that the gasoline is more expensive in europe than here in the u.s. i guess i try to budget my total traveling expense in advance.
*gas is expensive in europe, about $4 a gallon. but if you hit the big 3 and stay at a well located hotel then you shouldn’t exceed 250 km which will be about 25-30€ in gas. make sure you fill up before you get close to the airport, as there is only one gas station at the airport and it is tough to find and quite expensive. when you rent they will also ask you whether you want to buy the tank of gas at a lower rate. this is usually not a good deal as it only pays off if you turn in the car really empty.
7) are the gas stations pump connected to atm/credit card machines (like those in the u.s.) so that people can use credit card to pay to fill up their cars without speaking to the cashier? if so, does the credit card reader displays english instruction? (this kind of self-service is useful for people who don't speak or speak little german and hence don't have to deal with the language problem.)
*pay at the pump is very rare in germany. language skills necessary to pay for gas are very limited. just remember the number of the pump, go in and show that number of fingers and give them your credit card. i think i could handle this language skill level in inner mongolia or tajikistan or somewhere else where i have no idea what language they speak.
8) does a tourist need an international driver license to drive in germany? i can get an international driver license for $10 from aaa motor club of which i'm a member. is that necessary? if a foreign driver ever gets stopped by a police, what kind of identification would s/he need to show? a passport?
*international drivers license is not necessary. you should carry your passport or a copy on you at all times. i got stopped in a police check once near atlantis, they seem to be checking every once in a while.
9) many of you kindly mentioned radar and speed camera placing on the intersection. what would happen if one gets caught on speeding? how would that scenario work out? would a traffic police chase to stop him (like that in the u.s.) and give him a ticket? would a tourist driver have to pay fine in cash right on the spot if s/he were caught speeding? if a speed camera takes a picture of a car that was speeding, then what? where would that picture and ticket be sent to if that car is a rental car driven by someone who doesn't live in germany?
*they do not chase you and give you tickets, that is not what police are used for in germany. only if you are driving dangerously will they pull you over. they use the cameras to deal with speeding. if there is a picture of you then they will send it to the car rental agency who will send it to you for you to reply. if you don’t they will book the cost of the ticket against your creit card. if you respond to it you will probably be found guilty anyway. pictures are pretty much impossible to challenge in germany, unless you can prove someone else was driving, and there are pretty accurate face shots.
10) let say i'm driving on a highway and realize that i'm going on the wrong direction, is it ok to turn on the emergency signal and stop on the highway shoulder (if there is one) so that i can look at the map?
* i assume you don’t mean if you are travelling against the traffic. no you cannot stop on the shoulder of the highway unless your car has broken down. however there is an exit every 2 miles at most, so you can pull off the highway. there are also a lot of rest stops and gas stations on the highway, give those a shot.
i guess i'm generally a "plan for the worst, hope for the best" kind of guy and want to make sure that my trip can go smoothly. pardon me if i may have missed any post that already had the answers to my questions.
*driving in germany is really not that complicated. anyway if atlantis stays closed for a longer period of time maybe your trip will just be world and oase, in which case you might want to put sauna world in gorgeshausen into the plan.
on the way to altenstadt from frankfurt, watch out for speed cameras. i think they are located at the village before altenstadt. anyway, atlantis was raided saturday midnight at 00:00 hrs, other posts report the establishment is still closed. any further information here please?
editor's note: this report was edited by admin to add standard capitalization throughout the text. in the future, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no capital lettering. thanks!
Singlepro
I only have two additions to add to Peters excellent and detailed reply.
The only possible hidden cost of car rental can be the extra airport pick up charge (very often they don't bother to tell you about it especially when booking in advance from abroad)
It quite a bit (I think 15% of the total rental charge ) this can be quite a lot if you are renting a expensive car for a long time.
If you are anyway thinking of visiting the nearest city then you can save this charge by picking up your car in town. There is no extra charge to drop your car off at the airport.
Even though all the cars are fully insured there is a high collision waiver / car theft optional extra. Depending on the value of the car you otherwise will have to pay the first ???Euro of any accident even if you were to blame or not. (I don't pay the collision waver and take the risk)
Just take into consideration that Germany hosts a lot of big trade fairs though out the year. Its good to check ahead and see that your trip doesn't co-inside with one of them, as you will find it practically impossible to find a vacant hotel room within a 100km radius of the fair.Also during fair times the prices of hotel rooms jump 150-250% extra (I'm not exaggerating)
Don't worry car rental and driving in Germany is great fun and its not at all difficult.
I am sure you will agree with us. Its really the best way to enjoy our hobby and save time together with convenience
One small further point. If you have any damage to the car you must call the Police to get a report otherwise the Collision Damage Waiver is not operative. I foolishly thought my tiny encounter with a small bollard did not count as an accident. Wrong - so I've got a hefty bill (probably 600E plus)
However car hire is still, to my mind, preferable (cheaper and more flexible) to taxis unless you are staying next to one club (or you fail to report accidents like mine!)
If you book from holiday autos (www.holidayautos.co.uk) everything is included. No hiden extra's. So if you do have an accident of some sort and have to pay excess holidayautos will refund when you get back.
Also they have a price match policy.
RH
For the real budget minded and people who don't care what they look like in their car on the way to the FKK, there are some budget rental agencies. I just checked out www.sixti.de and you can get some really great deals there. You can only choose from a Smart and a Ford Focus Wagen, but it is transportation. If you are picking up and dropping on the same day you can get some days at 10€ that I saw from Frankfurt Airport. You pay calender day not 24 hours. check it out as a possibility. Here there are also tight mileage restrictions.
I also checked a same day pick up and drop off at Niederrhein (Ryan Air calls it Düsseldorf) and you can get a smart for 16€, that is less than a Taxi from the real Duesseldorf airport to downtown. If you add a Loss Damage Waiver limiting Liability to 250€ you add 6,50 a day.
Chekc it out seems like a good deal.
Peter
i rented a ford fiesta from sixt at the d-dorf airport on a walk up basis. it was 50e for the sled, and 21e for insurance with a 550e deductible. i always like to buy their insurance in case anything does happen, problems should be resolved quicker in-house. total bill for one day rental was 99.60e, balance of which was taxes, taxes, and then more taxes. everybody wants a piece of the pie.
the car was small, and i don't recommend it for long distance travel around the country. i headed down to altenstadt, and the terrain is rather hilly. this poor car didn't have the umph to make it up the hills, and the only time it could hit 160km p/h was on the down hill with a strong tail wind. the funny thing was that whenever speed restrictions were removed on the autobahn, it was always at the bottom of the hill.
but the little car did serve it's purpose and it was only 60e to fill up the tank.
i had fun.
nb
NB,
The high price you paid for the car, almost Euro100/day, is because you took the car for only one day and did it on a walk-up basis. I know that you had no choice this trip, but just so you know for future reference, if you rent the car on a weekly basis via some of the internet sites, you are likely to get a much, much better deal. Also, if possible, it is often advisable to get the car from a non-airport location as it is cheaper. I often try to get a diesal-powered car since the fuel is somewhat less expensive than petrol.
You're right, Ortos. I just wanted to tell the story about driving that little car up those big hills. As in all things, you want to play, you gotta pay.
NB
Hi guys,
Thank you for all your enthusiastic responses. One thing I forgot to mention in my previous post is that I can only drive automatic transmission cars. As Peter suggested, I checked out expedia.com and travelocity.com to get a feel of what I was going to get. What puzzled me was that they all quoted me cars with manual transmission which is not what I want. I then checked www.sixti.de which listed either the Smart or Ford Focus option, but it didn't say whether either of those 2 has automatic or manual transmission. I emailed Siti about these cars, and they emailed me back saying that the Smart car is equipped with tiptronic transmission. Can anyone tell me what tiptronic transmission is? Is it automatic? Next, I checked Alamo and Budget which also quoted me mostly with manual transmission, accept those at the higher ends. I also tried carbookers.com as suggested my someone else on this board. It gave me a reasonable rate, but then again, it's all manual transmissions. I'm totally surprised with all these manual transmission stuffs. If all the good deals or low budget packages only apply to cars with manual transmission, I'm out of luck.
I checked out www.holidayautos.co.uk as suggested by Red Hawk. Again, the cheap ones are all manual transmissions. The auto transmission one that I was quoted totaled to be around $295 for 3 days or $100/day which is not cheap at all. (I converted GBP to dollars.) It claims that their prices are all inclusive, but its insurance detail description says "you will be required to leave a deposit to the value of the insurance excess. If the car is damaged during the rental you may be charged an excess of EUR 600 which will be debited from your deposit." What deposit are they talking about? Didn't they say that the rental price already includes the insurance? I guess I'm not understanding something.
I had made some interesting observation. I went to Alamo.com and Budget.com websites and checked out the availability of their rental cars both in the U.S. and in Europe. I then made a comparison. What surprised me was that all the available cars listed under the U.S. categories were mostly automatic transmission while the same things listed under the European categories were mostly manual transmission (accept the higher-end cars). What's going on? Does it mean that it's more popular to drive manual transmission cars in Europe? Does it mean European drivers don't like driving automatic transmission cars? (In the U.S., if you rent a car, you'll almost always be given an automatic transmission car, without question. Maybe I've taken that for granted.) It seems you can only get automatic transmission at higher end rental cars in Europe. If so, renting an automatic transmission car for one person may not really be that cheap afterall, unless you can share it with at least another person and split the cost.
Shiatsu,
You said "If you have any damage to the car you must call the Police to get a report otherwise the Collision Damage Waiver is not operative." I would have big problem doing that because I can not speak fluent German to engage in that kind of conversation. (I think I can speak barely passable German to order a meal or rent a hotel room but not good enough to get involved in any serious conversation.) Further more, if that scenario ever happens to me on the highway, where can I reach a paid phone? Where would I get the police number? On the yellow page phone book? If I ever encounter that kind of situation, I'd be in deep shit. I just pray that I won't get into that situation.
Wizard,
You mentioned the extra hidden airport pick up charge. When I got an online quote where it stated that all fees are included, I assume "all fees" implies that it has already included the airport pickup charge. Right? When I looked at the break down of the fees, it didn't seem to specifically mention "airport pickup charge". I wondered about that.
Trojan_tds
03-29-04, 17:15
SinglePro
A Tiptronic transmission is like a combination of a manual and an automatic. You shift gears manually using a lever but it does not have a manual clutch. My wife also can not drive a manual transmission car but she has no problem driving a friends SMART car with a tiptronic.
You will have a very hard time finding a automatic transmission car in Germany. For some reason the Germans just don't like them. I'm not sure if it has to do with the better gas mileage on a manual or what, but most cars sold in Germany are manual transmission with the exeption of the very high end Mercedes and BMWs.
-Trojan
SinglePro,
If you can't drive standard and are looking for pussy...take a look in the mirror.
What sort of man cannot drive Standard?
In Germany, and most of Europe Standard is the absolute standard.
Germans are the best drivers in the world, hands down by a long shot. Getting a drivers license here is difficult and requires 30+ hours at Driving School, not just having your parents teach you. It is structured with a certain number of nightttime and highway hours etc. About 95% of these schools teach manual. If you do your Drivers License Test on manual then you can drive Manual and Automatic cars, but if you take the test on Auto then you can only drive Manual cars.
Since people have to invest so much time, effort and money (about 1200€) into getting a License, they all opt for getting the full license, which means manual.
I would say about 90% of cars sold here are manual. They are cheaper and less likely to have transmission problems.
If they do have tiptronic then that is basically automatic, where you can manually choose the gears, but without a clutch. You should be able to drive this no problem. Ask again if the transmission is without a clutch (Kuplung in German).
Learn to drive stick.
Peter
CBGBConnisur
03-29-04, 20:49
Hardly anyone used automatic transmissions in Europe, the reason is that gas is too expensive and the fuel economy for AT vehicles is not as good as that for Manual.
Single pro
I would ask for a confimation in writing that the airport pick up charge is included in your quote.
I had a nasty hassel with Europcar over that once I paid via a voucher and when I came to return the car the demanded and extra fee as they claimed that it was not specified in my voucher.
I paid under protest and had a tough fight to get re imbursted when I got home.
Just learn from my experince.
While most of the rental cars are stick shift in Germany. But even so the rental companies have to deal with a lot of tourists who demand automatic transmission .I know that its only the larger cars (group C and up) that have this fitted but its clearly stipulated in the brochures and advertizing.
When you book you just have to ask what automatic cars are available and then you can choose which one fits your budget.
There are automatic cars available its not an impossible task to find them.
All cars have standard insurance BUT still have a large excess 600eu for a small car going up to 2000 or more for big cars (Mercs & BMW) if you want insurance agains this excess its available at extra cost option .Even if you opt for this insurance they will still hold your credit card deposit for the equivelent sum to cover any traffic/parking fines or in case you dont report a incident to the police (at a police station) and you will still be responcible for the excess.
Another tip even if I need a car for one or two days its ofen cheaper to take the 3 day rate and give the car back early.
Only problem with that is if you opt for the extra insurance coverage they will charge you for all the 3 days even if you give the car back earlier.
Peter,
Your right about the long and expensive driving Ausbildung that Germans undertake. I have had to do this training also. But I must say that these people are NOT the best drivers in the world. (M. Schumacher, maybe...) I will admit that the Germans got the Italians and the French beat. Drivers in the Skandinavian countries are much more courteous and safe. So are alot of drivers in the US. (Mom and Dad sometimes teach pretty well).
If you want to see a German loose his or her patience, then put them behing the wheel of a car: automatic or manual, makes no difference. Some of the nicest German people I have met can turn into Herman Goering when they start to drive.
Yield to the right and pass on the left.
Dedalus
dedalus,
not to get into a driving argument on this board, but germans are definitely the best drivers in the world. safe and courteous is not really a good measure of quality of driving. germans follow the rules of driving meticulously while being pragmatic enough to know when speed limits are unneccesary for safety. they build the best cars and they drive them the best.
also never pass on the right or you will probably die. passing on the right is illegal in germany, no matter how many lanes and every german driver holds themselves to this. no one expects a car to come up on the right, so don't do it. if you got passed on the right then you were not meant to be in the left lane. the left lane is exclusively for passing, when you are not passing you should drive in the extreme right lane, if you are driving at the top of the speed limit you can drive in the middle lane, but the left lane is for passing and passing only, and you should always look in the rear view to see if a faster car is coming up behind you who you should make way for. it is the most respectful manner of driving anywhere. the germans are also religious about the right of way rules, much more so than the us.
in the states i have driven in over 40 states and nowhere have i seen as competent drivers as in germany.
i feel safer in germany doing 220 km/h on the autobahn than i do driving 75 mph (about 120 km/h) in the states. only because of the quality and reliability of the other drivers are these sorts of speed safe. also the quality of cars on the road is better than in other countries, and that is due to the strict tüv tests that cars have to pass every 2 years.
peter
peter,
i read your fkk reports with great pleasure adn i think you are da' man and one who's recommendations are to be trusted without question.
i do know the driving rules other here (deutschland) and i agree that they are good, sensible and safer. rember, i had to attend fahrschule to get a license. i think that yield to the right and pass on the left are sound rules. germans do not always follows these rules. i see german drivers passing on the right, not yielding to the right, breaking the speed limit (yes there is one on many stretches of autobahn), not stopping a zebrastreifen, etc. etc, on a daily basis. also in the area of germany that i live in there is a 10 kilometer stretch of landstrasse that, at the momnent has 6 memorial crosses on along the roadside, and they are not monuments to jesus.
it has been a while since i looked through a world almanac or a weltalmanach in quite some time, but i seem to remember the statstics a few years back showing that germany had the highest rate of traffic fatalities per capita in developed nations.
you are 100 % correct that germany makes the best performing cars and the safety standards that a car must pass to be road- worthy are a good thing. (even though i personally dread the tüv visit every other year.)
we will just have to agree to disagree about the safety and reliability of the german driver. my experpiences and obseravtions have led to another opinion.
peace,
dedalus
Gentlemen,
Please advise where I should go if I have two days free in Germany. I'm interested in quality and was spoilt by FKK Atlantis. Please advise where one can find this raunchiness as well as variaty. Location is not important.
Thanks
I am planning my first FKK visit, either World or Oase in Frankfurt.
I know the FKK clubs have many hot young girls, but do they also have older ladies?
I am over 40 and lately have been admiring mature big tit porn stars such as Candy Samples and Lotta Topp, who are, shall we say, voluptuous and sexy but with a few miles on the clock.
AP
Alfonso,
Yes they do...although not my style, I've seen plenty of older women and some heavy mammas that have their clientele.
NB
Boofer,
World seems the place to be now.
NB
I'll be in Basel, Switzerland next month for business but will only have one day to screw around. I'm thinking of going over the border to Deutschland for some FKKing. Could anyone recommend a FKK close to Basel?
Trojan_tds
04-30-04, 16:38
Woof Woof,
The closest I know of is flamingo Island which is near Karlsruhe, about 170 km. from Basel. Check out their website at:
http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de
As long as you are in Switzerland you may want to think about some of the clubs in Zurich which is only about 70 km. from Basel. The prices are more expensive but the woman are all very attractive. Check out:
http://www.melodys.ch
http://www.club-lustkick.ch
http://www.studio-happylife.ch
http://www.zeus.ch
http://www.sakura-fantasyland.ch
Hope this helps.
Trojan
http://www.club-globe.ch
Here is another club. More like a FKK club in Switzerland. Never tried it but it looks good
Regards
Trojan,
Thanks for the recommendations. I checked out all the websites and it appears that Zeus and Sakura have the most selections. If you have personal experience at either place, I'd appreciate your advice on getting the most bang for the buck! PM me if you wish.
Thanks again,
Woof Woof
Dear all,
I would like to ask for some advice. I will be in Lingen, Germany for business. Lingen is located in Northwest Germany, close to Dutch border. I was wondering where is the nearest FKK close to Lingen.
I have been to F35 in Frankfurt. And found a club close to Lingen(52 km)
FKK-Club Osnabrück
Otto-Lilienthal-Straße
49134 Wallenhorst
Does anyone know anything about this?
Rgds
Linzh998
Heard so/so things about it, but the reporting on clubs in that region is very scarce, even on the german boards. Maybe Heavensgate in dorsten might be close enough. Very nice club, but wasn't blown away by the talent.
Check out Kaleu's site, and go based on the PLZ's (Like Zip Codes) those let you know what is near.
Kaleu's site is easy to find, GOOGLE Kaleu and FKK and it should show up right away.
Peter
More about Osnabrück,
Just read the FAQ on a German site.
It looks like the entrance price is 99€ on certain days and 111€ on other days. This is an all-you-can-fu** rate. One price and everything is included. However there are only 3-5 girls on hand at any one time, and whether they are your taste is not a given. It is also not clear what level of service is included in that price.
The club is also supposed to be easy to find.
Hope that helps.
Peter
Member #1980
05-05-04, 00:53
I will be in Frankfurt for 4 days this weekend. Plan to go Palace, World, Oase and rent a car with GPS. Where is most convenient mid point hotel to stay (30Euro to 60Euro range)? Is that too far to drive to PHG also (how long to drive from Frankfurt am Main airport to PHG)? Please advise. I heard from Atlantis board that Atlantis will re-open on May 6. Is that true?
Member #1980
05-05-04, 01:06
I will be in Franfurt for 4 days this weekend. Plan to go Palace, World, Oase and rent a car with GPS. Where is most convenient mid point hotel to stay (30Euro to 60Euro range)? Is that too far to drive to PHG also (how long to drive from Frankfurt am Main airport to PHG)? Please advise. I heard from Atlantis board that Atlantis will re-open on May 6. Is that true?
Do people here take Viagra when they go to the German FKK clubs?
I am over 40, fairly fit and have just bought some cidenefil, a Viagra clone. I broke a 100mg tablet into a quarter and it seemed to have some effect (I think!)
How much/how often will I need for a multi-babe session at a FKK club?
AP
Alfonso,
I am much younger but I pop a blue or yellow (Cialis) pill every once in a while when I go to an FKK. I have no clinical Erectile Dysfunction, I use it as a recreational drug.
I have 50mg Viagra's which I split in half, and I think the Cialis are 20mg and I split those too.
If the 25mg dosage of V works for you then it should help keep you able to recover quickly for about 4-6 hours. Cialis keeps you going for a couple of days, they say 36 Hours, it is more like 50 for me.
these pills are great. It gets me rock hard, I feel like my dick is an alien lifeform given to me to tame. You really feel like it is someone elses dick. It also makes me last significantly longer, which can be hell on the girls.
I also use it privately recreationally every once in a while. There I know the down time pretty accurately, and I would say within 15 minutes after one session I am good to go again.
If I pop one before a FKK trip then I gor for 3-5 sessions to get my moneys worth.
I am a huge fan of these pills. I personally think Cialis has a more natural feeling than viagra, but viagra gives me more "Popeye's Dick on Spinach" confidence.
Peter
CBGBConnisur
05-07-04, 21:05
How do you get these while in Germany? I have heard that it is difficult to get a prescription from a German physician. Anyhow are the prices for these medications expensive in Germany?
CBGB,
Ask your doctor for a prescription.
You can say, " I am having a little bit of a problem in the Libido Department"
The doctor will give you a caring look and say, "All men have problems every now and then" and then write you a prescription.
The cost is pretty much the same as in the states.
I also have a good friend who is a Drug Rep and he gives me freebies all the time.
If you have not experimented with ED drugs - DO SO! It is amazing!
Peter
Does anyone have a personal recommendation for a hotel (30-70 euros per night) that is within walking distance of the Palace?
Thanks in advance.
Woof Woof
There is an Ibis Hotel within 5-minute walking distance to Palace. Look for Ibis Hotel in Hausen. It is visible when one drives down Schlosstrasse, if memory serves.
All,
As much as I hate to fill the board with questions. I would like to know where I should go. I will have time to go to frankfurt area from the Kassel area for sure on the 16 of may. and maybe also the 18 and 19th. I am a hard core fan of atlantis. Must admit i am sad to see it go. My fav areas are the wurrl pool and the outdoor areas respectivly. I would like to know which club i should go to to fullfil my atlantis type disires. Not that I have not been to any othere FFM club. only once to a FKK in dresden.
thanks in advance
RD
Given your location in Kassel, a city adjacent to the A5 autobahn, it seems logical that you should head down the A5 direction Frankfurt and go to FKK World, located just outside Giessen. While somewhat different than your beloved Atlantis, of which I was also a staunch fan, World will fullfill your apetite for hot, young EE girls and nice outside area. Go and try it. A few ex-Atlantis girls have relocated there too. If you don't like then you are aprox. 30min from FKK Oase or Palace to the south.
Anyway, as far as I know World is the closest big FKK club to Kassel.
Woof,
You can taxi from the many hotels close to the Main Hbf for about 10E, the Inntercity has a 49 E weekend deal that is very good.
This post is prompted by snowman under the Atlantis section (which seems to be turning into a general enquiries post)
Sorry but I'm not from LA (or even USA), But snowman's post made me think how much use this forum was when I was first getting up the nerve to go to an FKK. So I thought maybe a little (subjective) guide for novices might be useful - my way of saying thanks to all those posters who helped me
Don't worry about doing it right in FKK. I started very nervous but have never had any difficulty. It is one of the most relaxed safe environments
Basic rules
1. treat the workers with respect and interest - sometimes this is not repaid but sometimes you get a lot back
2. don't behave like a jerk (no shouting, drunkeness, abuse, forget to have a shower or clean your teeth)
3. you can say no as many times as you want if you are approached.
4. you can approach any girl you want - she will usually say yes. If she is not ageeable then that's ok. In a FKK you are (if things go well) getting a time-limited commitment so if you don't suit them it's better that they say no (or prevaricate)
5 be relaxed - sometimes you can spend ages on a couch talking to the girl if you want (especially if you are a repeat visitor to her). If you like a club it pays to go there again rather than trying lots of new clubs (hard advice to follow!!)
6. if you let the girl do French on you while on the couch it is bad manners not to go to a room
7. be clear with the girl about how long you are going to the room for - and check your watch (sometimes the girls forget to check and will over-run, sometimes they will want to end after 15minutes) If you want to extend then that's ok usually. Chack the charge structure of the club before you go into a room
8 If a girl gives you short time then don't get into an argument. maybe point it out to her but no more. Don't use her again. You can watch the girls to see how long they spend in rooms - but even this may not be a god guide as it can depend on whether you click with them
9 You are unlikely to be ripped off in an FKK but if you suddenly find you are being asked for ludicrous extras outside the normal charging structure then don't pay - and you may even consider complaining (very politely but clearly) to the desk
10 don't tip - if you like the service just book for longer and talk, massage etc (I have tipped sometimes and the girls are usually very reluctant to take extra). Tipping will only push up expectations of money from non-Germans
11. English is widely spoken
12 It doesn't matter what colour or age you are (sure, some girls, like in all groups of people are racist or ageist but they'll be a minority you probably will never notice)
CBGBConnisur
05-12-04, 14:34
Shiatsu, from what I know about rule number 6, if one of the women gives you a blowjob you are required to have a session with her. Some places even will bill you for that.
CBGB - yes you're right. Certainly at the very least you would be disrespecting the worker and she would have every right to expect you to go to a room. I was just trying to give some thoughts for any newcomers - I think your comment is helpful
CBGBConnisur
05-12-04, 19:51
With the average price at most FKKs ranging from 25-80 Euros and the stellar service of most of the women, its an excellent value. The voyeuristic atmosphere and open nudity of the clubs is a lot of fun.
This is a very important point, almost a nuance of FKK ettiqute. Generally speaking it is true one should/must have at least a 50E session with a girl if you enjoy bbbj from her on the couch. However, there are cetain scenarios in which this might not the case: for example, if an esp. aggressive girl starts bbbj on you suddenly and/or without your consent and you stop her after a few seconds, then it is perhaps proper to detatch from the girl without going to the room. Or do I have it wrong?
Member #1980
05-13-04, 01:22
I had a bad experience in Oase last Saturday. I spent about 28 minutes with a Russian girl (I checked my watch), but was asked by that girl to pay 100E and stated I used her 40 minutes. I complained to the manager. The manager ( a lady) asked me to pay 100E, otherwise, I had to leave the club. I think the manager in Oase protected girl and not the customer. Two days later at palace, a German girl spent only 5 minutes in a very rush way and left room and asked me to pay her 50 Euro. I complained to the manager (a man). After listening my complain, he asked that girl to his office to talk. I never see this girl again later in next 6 hours. I am sure she was asked to leave. What a difference!
CBGBConnisur
05-13-04, 05:13
Another way is to keep it covered so the lady doesn't blow you. I noticed though that Germanic women love sucking cock.
Do you ever see couples in the FKK clubs?
Just curious
CBGB,
Different guys, different experiences.
I find German women suck cock much less than US girls. But that might just be my experience. I have also found that german girls are not as into getting eaten out either. That is based on my having privately slept with more than 15 German Women and about the same number of US. Working girls don't count.
Peter
I have used different mapping websites to locate Oase and other FKK clubs. What I found confusing was that, in Kaleux website, he listed Oase under the address
Ober-Erlenbacher-Str. 109
61352 Obererlenbach
However, in Oase own website, Oase's address is listed as
Ober-Erlenbacher-Str. 109
61381 Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen
One can clearly see that the 2 addresses with 2 different zip code. When I used the viamichelin.com mapping website to locate these addresses, it returned 2 different locations for Oase. Then I tried maporama.com which couldn't even locate "109" in the address. Using the address listed on Oase website, ViaMichelin returns a location for Oase in a little town "Nadelmuhle" which is between Burgholzhausen and Obererlenbach. Is this correct? Can anyone confirm that? I assume the address listed on Oase website is the correct one.
I guess I'm really curious about the reason why the 2 town names are placed in a German address. Using Oase as an example, is Oase located in Friedrichsdorf? or is it in Burgholzhausen? or is it even in Obererlenbach? It can not be in both town together, or can it? or are they pretty much the same?
Similarly, regarding to the address of
FKK World
Grüninger Weg
35415 Pohlheim-Garbenteich
Is FKK World located in Pohlheim, or in Garbenteich or in both? What really confused the hec out of me was that 2 different mapping websites returned the same location but with 2 different town names. When I used viamichelin.com map site, it shows FKKW in the town of Garbenteich. Pohlheim is clearly shown in the town West of Garbenteich. On the other hand, when I used Microsoft mappoint.com website, it clearly labels "Pohlheim" in the same location where ViaMichelin labels as "Garbenteich". Which is which? Are they interchangeable? Am I missing something? Feel free to try it, and you'll see what I meant.
I can go on with another example such as FKK Palace which is listed in the area of "Rodelheim-Hausen". Again, is Palace geographically located in Rodelheim, or in Hausen, or in both? By looking at the map, it should be in Hausen. If so, why is "Rodelheim" even be in the address? The addressing label is not consistent either. For example, FKK Atlantis address is clearly stated in the town of Altenstadt without another town name adjacent to it, which I find that to be very clear and unambiguous. (I know Atlantis is now closed.)
I hope someone can help me clarifying this confusion. Otherwise, when I get there later this summer, this kind of ambiguity can potentially misinterpreted by the GPS system which can lead me to nowhere closed to the intended address.
Also, regarding to the highway labels, I have no problem understanding the autobahn names such as A5, A45, … which are referred to by most posters here when talking about directions to different clubs. What I couldn't figure out when looking at the map were those E--- labels placing before/after the "A5", "A45", and so on. For example, in autobahn A5, it is labeled as "A5/E451" (or "E451-A5"). Autobahn A45 is labeled as "A45/E41 (or "E41-A45"). A3 is labeled as "A3/E42" (or "E42-A3"). I wonder what these E--- numbers referring to. How about the U-- number as in "U32/A648"? Are they important to pay attention to? Should I even care about what they mean at all? I'd really appreciate if someone can explain to me these autobahn naming convention.
Oase is located between Obererlenbach and Burgholzhausen. It seems to me that it's a bit closer to Burgholzhausen and should be listed as that city.
FKK World was a ***** for me to find the first time. When I was driving around the area, there were several areas called Polhiem-xxxx. When I finally found the Pohlheim-Garbenteich area, World was easy to find.
I think I was able to find Palace by entering Hausen as the street area (or whatever my GPS was asking for), not the city name. Frankfurt Am Main is still the city.
I've never paid much attention to the E--- and U--- signs the whole 5+ years that I've been through Germany. (Not even sure what they're for exactly.) It may have something to do with European routes. Someone else might be able to clear this up better. I typical just follow the A-- signs before I get to my destination.
Single Pro,
The address for Oase is correctly posted on their website and you should go by that one.
I think that the reason why some adresses are given with 2 names is to denote that the place is in the vicinity of both. Oase is actually in the middle of some fields on the way to Burgholzhausen. Atlantis was smack in the middle of Altenstadt. Therein the difference.
The E highway designation denotes the european community marking for the highway as part of the European wide highway system. All major "interstates" in europe now have them in addition to their normal national designation. So A45/E41 denotes German autobahn 45 which is also designated as E41 by the European community.
enjoy!
Member #1980
05-24-04, 01:44
Let me ask a question about the strategy. I used to fuck 8-10 girls in one visit (the best use of 65e entry fee, isn't it?). I use Vigra or Cialis (similar result). The other tactic I used was holding the ejaculation till the last girl I plan to fuck that day (depend on selection in the club and energy I had I feel). That mean I ejaculate only once in fucking about 10 girls (my record is 11) in one visit. If I came earlier, it will take more time for me to get hard again. So use this stratigy, I can fuck more girls (10 girls in about 10-12 hours stay in one visit). Could you comment on if it is right thing to do (use Vigra, and holding back the ejaculation)?
Three more questions:
1. I love to eat pussy. Do you think it is safe to taste pussy juice?
2. I think German FFKs are the best in the world, better than Therma in Brazil (girls are not nude in clubs) and Thailand. What do you think?
3. The best anal sex is in Brazil though. Most girls in Therma will do anal without additional charge.
Please comment.
Thanks!
#1980
Single Pro,
Garbenteich is a small village that is part of Pohlheim. The city of Pohlheim is made of several of these small villages. And you map service has to designate one single point as the center of Pohlheim. So Pohlheim-Garbenteich is absolutely correct. And Garbenteich alone will get you there. Pohlheim alone, on the other hand, is not enough.
Similar story with Rodelheim-Hausen, Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen, and practically all other double names.
Autobahn names: everything with "A" is relevant. "A" stands for Autobahn. Look for it on blue signs. "E" stands for Europastrasse and is absolutely irrelevant. (If you look hard, you will find little green signs with the E designation). "U" is for Umleitung (= detour). You can safely ignore the U designation as well ... untless there is a Stau (= traffic jam) somewhere and the radio directs you to follow the U-soandso. By the way, if you have GPS in the car, that system also knows about traffic jams and will ask you if you want to follow the detour. You should accept this, if suggested.
I hope that this clears up some of the German naming and traffic mysteries.
Have fun,
Euro
Hessen Bub
05-25-04, 08:13
It is in German, but the results are great. Try the FAZ route-planning-tool:
http://ri.falk.de/ri.fcg?SET=route&TSET=faz
Hessen Bub
Lover Boy #2
05-26-04, 06:59
Member #1980,
I would like to "weigh in" with my opinions to your questions;
1. Probably not. However, we all take chances in life and if that is your thing, enjoy. There is probably nothing anyone can say that will make you stop!
2. I think the FKK (and variations) are a close second to the termas of Brazil. Almost anything can be better than Thailand. I think if you take the best place in Germany and the best place in Rio, there will be more high numbers and better sexual attitude in Rio. That is not to say that on any given day you will not find a better pick in an FKK than a terma. Thailand is a real crapshoot to get any kind of real quality.
3. You cannot beat the anal in Brazil. That is not debateable!
As far as your strategy is concerned (and you asked for the opinion), I think it is a waste of money no matter where you are playing. You must be very wealthy to go through that many choices in one day and only orgasmo once. You must have some reason for doing this that you are not fully explaining (getting the most bang from the 65 entrance doesn't make sense at that level). Why not just enjoy yourself with 2 or 3 good ejaculations (or experiences) and call it a day? It should be more cost effective and possibly more fun.
Member #1980
05-27-04, 03:57
Love Boy #2
Thanks for your opinion!
I prefer FFK than Termas in Brazil because I personally like European girl (light skin) than South American girl (darker skin) and I am a feet lover. I think that feet of European white girls are much more beautiful than that of Brazilian girls.
Personally, I would like to fuck more girls (if they are pretty) in my life. The more the better. Right now, the number of girl I fucked reaches 1100. One ejaculation per day is good enough for me (I am 50). Although I am not ejaculate each time, I still almost reach orgasm (just before the point of no return). Money is not a problem at all for me although I mentioned that the best use of 65E fee.
I love kissing feet and eating pussies, the latter is a little worrysome. STD and HIV, who know. If not safe, probably not worth to do it. My understanding is if use comdom, and if comdom do not break, entercourse is safe. I am really not sure about eating pussies. That's why I asked. Anyway, life is most important. Keep eating pussies as a dream when we sure that is safe.
Thanks for your opinion again!
Member,
Eating Pussy is a relatively low risk activity. Ass Licking is a little more worrisome because of hepatitis but I do it anyway. If you like going down (And I sure as hell do), check the girl in good light to make sure there is no visible genital herpes. Also make sure you do not have open cuts in your mouth. After finishing rinse well with listerine or another antibacterial moutwash and you should be quite safe.
Take more care in Brazil as the prevalence of bad stuff is higher, and some of the Termas girls supposedly barebacked anal with Darren James (The HIV Porn Guy). I read a discussion in another forum. Also Genital Warts and herpes are more prevalent there.
Gonnorhea is also possile to get by DATY, but quite rare. All in all it is a quite safe form of sex.
The only problem with your session without ejaculating method is that you might hurt the feelings of some girls. The girls don't feel like they are attractive or good in bed if hey don'T get you to finish.
I am youngerbut with Viagra or Cialis I can manage 5 sessions with shooting on a decent night. More than 5 and I just run out of energy in other body parts.
I have never been to Rio but I think the sheer variety of races is a big advantage in FKK's.
Peter
CBGBConnisur
05-27-04, 12:46
HIV is a lot more prevalent in Brazil and other developing countries than it is in Germany. So you definitely should use condoms.
Another two pence worth.
Peter is right that the biggest problem with not coming each time is that the girl will feel she has failed you. If I am not going to come I tell the girl at the beginning in the room and this avoids misunderstanding - I usually explain why (that I am on holiday and cannot come ten time in one day). Sometimes this acts as a challenge to a girl and she will move heaven and earth and pussy muscles to make me come.
As for HIV - although it has low infection rates, central Europe's rates have been increasing astronomically recently. The percentage increase is currenntly the highest in the world (albeit from very very low numbers). So beware. Bareback is not uncommon in Germany so don't be lulled into a false sense of security.
Member #1980
05-28-04, 00:35
Thanx for all your opinions!
Many times I pretended that I came to avoid hurting girls feeling. They usually do not check if there is any sperms in comdoms. And I thanx them each session each girl for giving me good time and helping them puting shoes back, and kiss their feet to show my appreciations.
One risk for eating pussy is usually the light is dark in most FKK rooms that you cannot check carefully the pussy is clean or not.
Other risk is some girls still work when they start having period. In a dark room, there is a risk to eat real bleeding pussy.
Eating, kissing, licking feet is safe!
Hi,
I am just wondering if any one at this forum can help me, I am looking for lactating women in Germany ready to nurse (preferably not pregnant but women after giving birth), I know you would think I am pervert and it is weird to think like this but I always had this fantasy to breast feed on lactating and nursing women (I have tried that in Amsterdam but to no avail)
I will appreciate any and all help
Hi,
Is there any website (with English version) for Germany and its FKK as http://www.ignatzmice.com is for The Netherlands with details of places and individuals al as well as place information?
Hope to hear from you soon.
I still await any reply or help with regards to my earlier two mails.
S Feb,
For FKK Info (hours, directions, prices, links to fkk web sites,etc.) check out:
http://www.kaleus-clubindex.de/kaleu/english/quicklist-en.php
This is a good source of info. on lots of clubs from 1 web page.
S Feb
My help is limited
I know of no website with English version about FKKs. The best starting point is www.kaleus-clubindex.
There are some German sites www.lusthaus.com where you need to register for a minimal fee, roemerforum and reheinforum where you need to join an agecheck (which unless you have a German id will cost you)
As for your search for lactating women - the FKK section is definitely not going to help. I have seen ads for women but they have been in German language contact sites and possibly German Sm/Bizaar. I don't have any webaddresses - I can remember the names of the websites - but as they are all in German they're no use to you
How about finding some yahoo club etc - you;re more likely to find leads there
Or you could try www.sexrelax.de I am English speaking so I sometimes use a webpage translator such as www.freetranslation.com to help.
Drifter45
Trojan_tds
06-17-04, 16:52
Shiatsu/S Feb,
You can join UBER18 for free with a US Passport to get access to the Roemerforum.
Trojan
Hey fellas. I am not a regular hobbyist, but I went to FKK Atlantis last summer on a whim, and HAD A BLAST! I would really like to visit some other clubs like World and Oasis-B, but the plane ticket prices from CA are prohibitively expensive for a poor chap like me - between 900-1000 dollars thru a travel agency/middleman that supposedly *guarantees* the lowest fares. Either they're full of shyt, or the summer really isn't the best time to buy airline tickets as it is the peak travel season (it's exacerbated this summer by the 2004 Greece Olympics, apparently).
Can anyone please give me some leads into more affordable plane tickets to Frankfurt anytime in July? I would appreciate it very much.
trojan
Thanks
Yes - so it claims but I've tried with my UK passport many times and it fails to do the trick. Free it may be but not for me!
So I joined x-check using credit card fro verification for 20 dollars a year which gives me access.
To the US citizens/residents going to Europe:
Also, how do you feel about this site/agency? Anyone use this before? I e-mailed them once, but haven't gotten a response. They are based in New York State, but handle flights departing from cities all around the US.
http://www.cheapestdiscountairlinetickets.com/
This is NOT MY SITE, so it is not a plug. I am just frantically searching for information as of this moment. I would greatly appreciate any tips for getting the cheapest airfare possible.
Regards,
Bruce Ley
Bruce Ley:
See if you like this airline, http://www.ltu.com, they fly out of Los Angeles. The planes are modern and on the flight to Germany the counter help is good, but coming back from Germany they give you a lot of shit about carry on luggage. I travel light so I don't have to wait for them to unload the plane, but on this last visit they made me check a bag, and it was full of Mumm champagne. Pissed me off but luckily nothing broke.
They will fly you into Dusseldorf and Frankfurt. Whenever I am fortunate enough to get back again, I will head to FKK World so I will fly to Frankfurt.
NB
CBGBConnisur
07-06-04, 03:58
I'm going to ask a really funny question, but where do they find the women that work at the FKK clubs? I know there are a lot of German women and German citizens(Turks, Yugoslavs, etc.) that work at these clubs. A friend of mine who is an attractive British-Australian with dual British citizenship wants to move to Germany, and needs to make some spending cash. She's been employed as an escort and has worked at a very upscale brothel in Sydney. She was also a bikini model and has no problem with nudity, she was sunbathing in my backyard last week in the buff. She is a stunningly attractive, tall and blonde, 5'10", beautiful hardbody in her 20's. Would she be able to get a job at one of these FKK clubswhile she stays in Germany? Does anyone know anything about the hiring process at these clubs? Also what is the typical compensation at these clubs? Do most of these FKK women have previous experience in the sex industry as strippers, escorts, nude models, bar brothel maids, rld window girls, porno stars, partytreff staff, etc.? What would she need to get hired, since she is already a British citizen, and since the UK is an EU member the work permit issue is already taken care of. Also what are the managers and owners of these clubs like? Are they straight businessmen or shady characters like Tony Soprano? I know that in Sydney the brothel business is very "clean"(Australian brothels trade on the stock exchange) but is it clean in Germany too? Or will her boss be a Hells Angel biker dude or Tony Soprano? She wants to visit Europe and for her this might be the best way to pay for her expenses.
By the way a friend of mine says most of the FKK women are borderline retards. Another friend of mine says they are mostly University students trying to pay their bills and trying to go on to better things. Which one is closer to the truth?
CBGBC,
Your friend does not have to sign a contract at the FKK of her choice. She can simply walk in, pay her euro 65, and she is working there. The girls are guests, just like the mongers. They keep all the tips that they get for going with a guy "to a room". Pretty straightforward business deal.
euro
p.s: Would be nice if you let us know where your friend ends up working. Perhaps a few of us can then "support" her.
CBGBConnisur,
During my last visit to an FKK in Frankfurt, I met an American woman working there. She told me that she had come to Frankfurt to go to school (some sort of medical technician, I think), and that she saw ads in the newspapers looking for women to work at the club. This young woman had already worked as an escort in Las Vegas, and so thought that the FKK scene would be a good way to make some money while in Germany.
So, it sounds pretty easy to get a job there, but I don't know what sort of legal issues are involved (or whether anyone even cares).
By the way, several of the women I have met at FKK have claimed to be students.
V.
CBGB,
If your friend wants to try working in an FKK maybe this will help her see if it is something for her.
I's a little essay called....
So you want to work at an FKK?
Some observations, opinions and pointers.
I know a lot of girls that work at FKK’s quite well. They are not retards and they are not rocket scientists. If one has an IQ of 50 and the other of 120 then these girls are at around 85 on average. They are normal girls of normal intelligence, and some of them have ended up in a difficult situation and some are just lazy and find this easier than a real job. It all depends.
The following Statistics are based upon about 50 girls whose story I know well.
Very few girls are actual students. I know only one girl who is a full time student at a German institute of higher learning. I know one Bulgarian who has taken a semester off to get together enough money to finance 4 years of university (5000€). I haven’t seen her in a month so I hope she has gotten the money together. Otherwise I have to say that I have not even heard a lot of girls claim to be students. It is not really that typical a story here like in America at Strip Clubs.
I know 4 girls who used to be, or still are Nurses. Funny thing is one was my nurse when I was in the hospital a couple of years ago, then I see her working in a club. We recognized each other, it was strange, but I still booked her, and had her do all the things I would have liked to do to her during her nightshift when I was in the electric bed ;°). These girls say that as a fpart time nurse (the type of job that is most readily available they were earning between 850 and 1000€ a month, that is about 650€ after taxes. They do much better in FKK’s. The strange thing is all of these girls offer full service including CIM (one even swallows). They must know the risks, but they are up for a lot, so the risks must be reasonable.
The professions where the most girls come from is equally divided between hairdresser and cosmetician. I am not kidding. I know about 10 girls who have learned (apprenticeship) each of these. My first Provider was a hairdresser, and between that and Cosmetician it probably accounts for 40-50% of all providers. I know girls who have worked in these jobs for a while before coming to FKK’s, some who still work in them and some who just started the apprenticeship and switched to this job.
The other category where lot’s of girls come from is without an other wok experience or secondary education whatsoever. I would say that 14 girls fall into this category. Many started an apprenticeship and quit before it was over, some were just lazy and bored and never tried to get a real job. Some just hung out, some wrked at a restaurant or two, some worked as go-go dancers in clubs. These are the sort of girls that get into the job because it seems like lots of money for little work. Most of these girls stay in the job well beyond their prime because they cannot get anything else. Sometimes these are girls who have left their country for Germany and have not been able to get any other sort of job.
The rest fall into the miscellaneous category. I know an ex-secretary, some retail sales girls, one who learned to work at a supermarket in Poland, and a couple who had children at a young age and got caught up in life.
These girls are not dumb, but there are not a lot of Phd. Candidates doing the job either.
If your friend is very intelligent and looking for good deep conversation with the other girls between sessions she will probably be disappointed. Some of the girls are nice, some are world class bitches to the other girls. But most of the talk is about how they are doing today, whether there are any weird guests in the club and normal small talk, including where to buy cool stuff, and make-up tips and such.
What she can expect to earn…
Most decent looking girls have an average net income of between 200 and 300€ per day of working. If you hustle and offer a wide range of services you might be able to beat that, if you are very laid back it might be less, but most girls I know that work regularly pull this sort of cash. Being pretty much Tax Free it is not bad money, but you are not going to get rich off of it.
Remember one of the reasons we men like FKK’s so much is because it is really a great deal for us. We get fair and excellent service at a reasonable price. There are many settings and parts of the world where the sex is much more expensive, and where the girls even earn much more per session. Many of these girls do not earn as much total due to lack of traffic. That is one of the key things this girl needs to answer for herself. Does she want to offer a fair and decent service at a relatively low price and have quite a few (4-8) customers a day, or is she into working less often for more money per session.
If the girl legitimately likes sex and working as a sex provider and wants to offer customers DFK and BBBJ as standard, then she should go for it. People used to providing in other situations have trouble adjusting to this some times.
Where to work…..
The clubs advertise in the “Bild” and other tabloid type newspapers looking for girls. It is usually in the same section where they advertise for us men, in the bottom corner there is usually a “Hostesses Wanted” section. Here the top clubs have a small ad with a phone number. The numbers are the same telephone numbers listed on Kaleu’s Site though.
All the girls need is a legal status in Germany. If she has a UK passport she will be gladly accepted at any club. If hse is really moving to Germany for longer she might want to take another legitimate part time job to get her social insurance and health care covered. A simple job with 30 hours a month can cover this in most cases.
Now on to some explanations of the top clubs.
FKK World
This club is actually owned and run by the Hell’s Angels, but that is more of a positive than a negative. I have never heard either a customer nor a girl complain about any negative aspect of this. The girls are not seen as property, they are workers. I have never heard of any having to give freebies to people or the like. They are working super clean in this endeavour. The problems they had getting talent at the beginning shows that they are not involved in any [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) or other such stuff in this club. They rely on the legal ways in this club, and it led to a lack of women for at least the first two months. Everyone who has dealt with the club professionally has been impressed. The advertise heavily in the German Forums, and have hosted their partys which have been excellently organized. FKK’s are so successful because most of the negative aspects of prostitution are not apparent, and they are happy to follow this at World.
The girls pay the same entrance fee as the guys, 65€ a day, plus 15€ if they are sleeping there (if she lives further away and works multiple days). They keep 100% of the money they earn. The session includes BBBJ, DFK and Cum on Body is standard and costs 50€ for 30 minutes. Couch action is expected as well as sex in the movie theatre, in the whirlpool or on the lawn. If the girl has a problem with semi-public sex this is not a good club for her. Upcharge for CIM is 50€, anal is up to the girl, but upcharges range from 100-150€. A 2 Girl session is the same price, just per girl. Lesbian show is an additional 50€/girl. Each additional half hour is 50€, but the upcharges for extras are one time only. They also have champagne sales at this club, where the girl gets half the price of the bottle.
Good points: Excellent facilities, and a decent amount of daily traffic. The price structure is on the higher side, and if you sell the extras well you can make some good money. There also are not that many other working girls there for the size of the club, so there is not as much competition.
Bad Points: It is more a Giessen crowd than a Frankfurt crowd (more foreigners, less money). Traffic can be spotty. If the weather is good and on weekends it is full, some days it is slow. The daily rate is high and forces the girls to get more rooms to start earning money.
FKK Oase
The managers name is Michael or something else with M. I have met him and he is a nice guy, I just forgot the name. Lot’s of girls who have been working there for years, and seem happy with the setup. Know girls who have gone down to work for a couple of days and left again, but no complaints about the management.
Price structure is exactly the same as World. As is what is expected as a normal standard of service.
Good and bad points are the same too, other than that Oase gets more of the bigger money Frankfurt crowd, but also more American servicemen, who are into sport-fucking.
Schieferhof in Lichtenberg
This is the grand daddy of FKK’s. The owner is a nice old guy, and the management are women. Here the service level that is expected is high, and 2 customer complaints leads to dismissal. Recently a girl who had been working there for 4 months was asked to leave based on some internet complaints.
The girls pay 18€ a day and 13€ for sleeping over. The club is only open Monday to Friday. Now they have changed the cost structure and raised the entrance fee, but lowered the per session fee. Now the girls keep 100% of what they earn. Most of the girls who work here stay here. They do well. The crowd is older and very loyal. The girls have a lot of regulars and never complain about a lack of traffic. It gets full early and the girls have plenty to do, but you better like old guys.
Standard service includes DFK, BBBJ and CIM. You are expected to warm him up with kissing and a BJ on the couch, that doesn’t count to the time. A session costs 50€ and the time is basically as long as it takes. That means anything under 50 minutes counts as a half hour session. The girls are not paid after each session, rather when the guy leaves. The girls write down the session upstairs afterwards. If you are not into a high service level then this is not the club for you.
Planet Happy Garden
Don’t know the new manager, knew the old one (Tome) well (He is currently at Goldentime). But the people running this place are nice normal guys.
They have raised the WEEKLY price to 100€ a week, no matter how many days you work. Sleeping Over is included in the price. This means if you work 5 days a week you are averaging 20€ a day. Again this is much cheaper than the Frankfurt clubs, so it is at least one room less necessary.
Here there is not really a club standard, it is up to the girls, but a lack of service could lead to dismissal or lack of booking when it speaks itself around. Some girls don’t offer DFK. Virtually all do BBBJ. The weekly cost for the girls is lower and the cost for the men is less too.
Half hour sessions start at 25€. This is for a covered BJ with sex. Hardly any of the girls like this and most try and steer customers away from this option. BBBJ and sex is 50€ and this is seen as the standard session. Each additional half hour is 25€ extra. This leads more people to book longer, which I think is more pleasant for the girls (less sessions a day at higher value per session). Upcharges are cheaper too. CIM is 25€ and anal is 50€. Two girls is also just double the price, lesbo show 25€ extra each, more intense lesbo is 50€ each extra. It is up to the girl to decide what she offers and what not.
There is very good traffic in this club, with lots of regulars, especially from Holland and Belgium in addition to all the Germans. There are also a lot of girls, usually averaging 50 girls a night. Like all clubs they have some rules on the times you work. You have to show up by a certain time, and if you stay beyond a certain time you have to stay till closing and such. But in general in all clubs you are free to come and go as you please. They need the rules to ensure that there are enough girls when the customers are there.
On the negative side I sometimes see guys who hang out but do not session, but often enough all 24 rooms and huts are full so there must be some fucking going on. Girls here do just as well as in the Frankfurt clubs, they just have less pressure per day. Also in these clubs it is absolutely not allowed for the women to solicit the men, which is normal in Frankfurt Area.
Parksauna Wildenrath
Here the managers name is Felix. The other managers are Frank and someone whose name I just forgot. They are all about 35-40 and very normal down to earth guys. Here the pricing is the same as Happy Garden, except the weekly fee is still 75€. Here the general atmosphere is a little more laid back. The girls are not as aggressive in trying to make money as at the other clubs. Some girls do very well here with regulars who book them for hours (Sylvia is often booked for 3-5 hours in a block).
This place has less visitors than Happy Garden, but also much less women. Most girls who have worked both say they earn the same in both, but like the atmosphere for the girls better in wildenrath.
FKK Goldentime
Owners used to own Relax in Limburg and the manager is Tom who used to be at PHG for years. Generally a good atmosphere. Same service level as Happy Garden and Wildenrath, except they do not have the 25€ session. BBBJ is standard. Extra time is 25€ per half hour. Otherwise everything is similar to the two clubs above.
Here the girls pay 15€ a day including sleeping. If she only wants to work 3 days a week that means she only pays 45€. So the daily rate is basically nothing. First room and you are already in the black. That is what makes the Düsseldorf Area clubs a good deal.
There are a lot of other clubs, but I am running out of time and energy, so I will end it up.
If she has any more specific questions PM me and I can answer most of them. The other clubs I know the structure of are Cocoon, Tropicana, most of the Red Carpet clubs and a couple of others.
Hope this helps.
Peter
Peter,
I found you detailed report on "So You Want To Be A Hooker?" a great read. It was very interesting to read the economics of this business and how the girls fit into all this. How did you accumulate all this info?
I myself started out visiting Atlantis last year and am at PHG once a month which suits me fine. I have got to know a couple of the ladies at PHG and their reasons for doing this work were purely to save enough money and go back to their home countries.
I can certainly appreciate and fully respect any woman that wants to do this kind of work for whatever reason as one girl said to me "This is not a normal job" and had to lie to her mother about what her job was in Germany.
All I want to say is treat the ladies right but don't fall in love with them as you open up a can of worms for yourself...
Tony,
I know my way around the industry relatively well.
Most of the girls have to lie to their mothers.
The non-local girls are often more goal oriented than the locals. some girls spend all the money they earn as they earn it, some have "boyfriends" who do a good job of spending the money, but there are some girls, especially eastern Europeans who do a good job of saving money.
I know one girl at PHG (Latvian with a drop dead ass) who has bought her family a 1500 sq. ft. appartment and now bought herself a 600 sq. ft. appartment in the downtown of her home town. She tells her parents she works as a waitress in Germany, they believe her because they want it to be true. She lives a relatively meager existence in Germany, but she supports her parents and Brother and sister well. She does not love the job, but she provides an excellent experience. she was just on a 3 month vacation, where she went home and to Portugal.
She is also a girl that falls into the miscellaneous category.
Each of these girls has an interesting story, treat them well and maybe you can learn more about them. I guarantee with that sort of approach you will get a level of service you have never dreamed of. I consider GFE's lower than what I can sometimes get. If I want a GFE I will fuck my Girlfriend, I want more!
Peter
Peter,
Thanks again for you insight into this industry and I look forward to reading more of your essays!
Peter,
Thanks a lot for sharing you knowledget with us. Obviously you know a LOT about the business. But I was not aware that the prices was €25 for each additinal half hour at the 3 clubs: Parksauna, PHG&Goldentime. I remember from my time that Parksauna that I paid €125 for 90 minutes. Are you really sure about the price structure?
Ronnie
Peter
Excellent information. Such dedication to getting information about each club
From my more limited experience I can only confirm everything you say. One of the delights of FKK is that you get the privilege to share a small part of the life story of each girl if that's what you want (and I usually do). This is where to my mind FKKs score over anything in the UK
Every girl has a story - whether they are there only one night a week,(after working all week in Woolworths) to pay for clothes shopping on Saturday, or whether they are sending money back to a sick grandmother in Rumania. Unlike a lot of prostitutes the girls in FKK seem to have a clear idea of why they are doing it and because of this the service tends to be less twisted up with bad emotional baggage. (Although they may have lots of emotional issues which come up).
Please help. I will be in Dusseldorf next week. Which FKK Club is the closest to the city?
Thank you
Frekin' heck Peter! Where do you get info like that? You ust be a long-time regular of these clubs. I have nearly got that level of trust at Park Schloss Dali in Brendaler. But hte club is nowhere near as good as World.
I'm off to Prague this weekend. Going to use Desssert Escorts (see picture on the girl I'm going with). I'll give you guys a report on my return.
Any recommendations?
@Rayboy,
I have always been interested in Prague, especially based on the escort.cz web page. But I have heard from too many guys who say the pictures are bait and switch. Please post your experience, and especially if the girl in teh picture is the actual girl you got. In my limited escort experience that is my biggest worry, not getting the sort of girl I wanted. That is why I like the FKK's better, where you see a bunch of girls and can approach anyone once you have evaluated them.
Also PSD is one of the nicest clubs I have ever been to. If it was not such a long drive to Marsberg I would go there more often. Can you report about some of the top talent and whether any of the girls on the website are regularly there. Thanks.
@Pupsnu,
In downton Düsseldorf is Tropicana at Cornelius Str. 76. this whole building is sex associated, with a studio, FKK and Outcall all in the same building. This is right downtown, about 4 blocks from the Kaufhof Galleria on the corner of the Graf Adolf and Berliner Allee.
In the in town public transit system are also Dolce Vita, in Reisholz, and Blue Note in Rath.
I have only had positive experience in Tropicana, where I can recommend Anna, Steffi or Stella.
If you can get out of town, Happy Garden, Golden Time and Wildenrath, which have more of the FKK atmosphere. although I have to say the facilities at Dolce Vita are quite good. Dolce Vita also has a lot of advertising in town. there is usually a big poster wagon on the A52 into town and they have been putting flyers on the cars recently.
Peter
PSD is good but has gone downhill this year. The only girl of note there is Lola who is gorgeous. Also, the quaity of girls is nowhere near as many as World. Normally, on a SAturday there are between 10-15 girls.
However, the service these girls offer is pretty poor. For €55/30 min you get BBBJ but no CIM. Very few if any offer anal. Compare this with World where I havehad some of the best Deep-throat BBBJ/CM ever!
Also, you pay €65 for entrance.
The good thing about PSD is the club in nice and relaxed and well laid-out.
I'll let you know my experience (14th time!) of Praha. I'm also going to check out FKK Prague which open two days ago.
Have you got any other recommendation in NRW Germany? The ones I still have to check out are:
Goldentime
Oase
PHG
Ronnie,
The general pricing structure is as follows:
Club: Parksauna Wildenrath
Entrance: 50 €
30 min: 25 €
60 min: 50 €
Extras: 25 € BBBJ, 25 € CIM
So, 90 min. without an extras would cost 75,- €. But if you add extras, it might get more expensive.
I.e. 90 min with BBBJ-foreplay and CIM at the end would be exactly the 125,- € you paid. Of course I don´t know what you and the girl did togehther. So it´s up to you to calculate...
The pricing structure at PHG is exactly the same as at Parksauna Wildenrath.
The pricing structure at Goldentime seems to be a little bit different:
Club: Golden Time, Brüggen
Entrance: 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 €
Extras: 25 € CIM
In contrast to PHG and Parksauna, the first 30 min. ar 50,- €. But you have to see, that BBBJ is not charged as an extra.
Pupsnu:
If you speak Deutsch I would recommend FKK Dolce Vita. Facilities were upscale and the last time I was there, there were lots of girls. But, I don't speak Deutsch and got ticked with the matron running check-in/check-out, so I know I won't be going back.
I had some good times at FKK Blue Note, but the facilities are on the low end. I did like a couple of the girls. There was a 22 year old Romanian girl that spoke excellent English that I spent most of my time with, and there was a 20 year old Morrocon girl that gave excellent blow jobs even though she didn't speak a word of English. She was memorable, fun, young, and attractive.
NB
CBGBConnisur
07-09-04, 20:45
FKK clubs aren't getting any cheaper, entrance averages 50-65 €,
one half hour session averages 50€, so for one hour including entrance fees, you are looking at spending 150-165€ also you have to add on transportation costs of about 40-50€, and you are looking at a grand total of 190-215€ or about $230-265US, that is no bargain.
Thanks Novize. I guess I overpay then, but at least I leared tilll next time.
Ron
@CBGB,
They sure as hell ain't getting more expensive either.
The entrance fee you are talking about is for the top tier clubs though. a lot of the second tier clubs have entrance fee's ranging from 0-35€ (some lowered during the happy hours). The sessions prices in some clubs can be lower too.
Example Tropicana:
No entrance fee, but if you leave without sessioning you pay 25€.
One 20 min session including BBBJ & Sex will mean you leave the club with a total of 69€ bill. Add a second 20 minute session and you are at 99€, make it a third and your total for all 3 will be 129€. That is pretty cheap in anyones book, but you have to be into 20 minute sessions without any extras.
Example Freudenbergstrasse 39 in Bochum.
Entrance during their happy hours 25€
20 minute session including BBBJ & Sex 20€, CIM 20€ extra, Anal add 40€. That means if you come in during the happy hour and have two normal 20 minute sessions you will pay a total of 65€. 4 Sessions and you will barely pass 100€.
there are all sorts of different price categories. FKK's are by no means expensive. You have to know what you are looking for and what you lay value on, you can find the right sort of price.
I find it cheaper than most other countirs I have mongered in, many with a lower standard of living (But I have yet to go to South America).
Peter
CBGBConnisur
07-12-04, 01:54
South America is cheaper than Germany BUT you have the issue of health as well as safety. Especially in a place like Rio, there is shitload of violent crime and robberies. At least in Germany there is plenty of law and order and most of the FKK women get health checks.
Peter,
I had my first "racial" experience when trying to visit Freudenbergstrasse 39. Now, I'm young(ish), relatively good-lokking and dressed pretty smart that night. However, I am ethnic in my origins. Can you believe my surprise when the girl told me "germans only"!
Pissed-off? You're damn right!
I dunno, RayBoy. Think about it from a girl's perspective.
I'm not playing apologist for her, but a woman should be able to fuck (or not fuck) whomever she pleases. I mean.... let's not trivialise this - to let a strange man fuck you is a very physically intrusive and emotionally sensitive occupation. So if she's not comfortable fucking a non-German man, then so be it. It could be that she is indeed prejudiced, or that she had a bad experience with your ethnic group, or whatever. It's just her loss now - the bad press will lose her some clients. Be the big man just move on - that's how I deal with racists (unless they REALLY deserve a beat down!).
Bruce, good comment.
I know it's their loss. However, we are living in the 21st centuary!
The way I read RayBoy's post, he was refused entry to the club to start with, not rejected by a particular girl he propositioned. If they won't let you into the club to start with, then I can understand why RayBoy is a bit upset. What can you say: There are racist assholes all over the world. No county, no culture can claim to be entirely clean in this regard. As far as the FKK clubs go, they can refuse entry to whoever they wish. It is indeed not fair when they single out a certain enthicity or two and bar people from entering on that basis, but what can you do? Just boycott the place and go elsewhere. It's like pubs in Britain, where landlords can refuse to serve a particular customer if they wish. That is just the way life is...
Dear RayBoy,
Very sorry to hear about your refusal entry into the club. I am an oriental and was in the club for the first time last weekend. I had no problems with entry into the club. When I was buzzed inside, a lady asked if I have been here before and I said now, the I ws kindly shown around. I was there for six hours with no problems for the ladies or the management.
It must have been an off day for the receptionist......
I'm sorry that this happens in my homecountry. Freudenbergstraße 39 is one of the clubs that is normally opened to german and dutch (male) guests only - or, let´s say, guests of western-european look. They advertise with this on their homepage (http://www/fkk40.de). The Freudenbergstraße is part of a group of clubs, that behave similar. They all can be found on this homepage.
I avoid to visit these clubs, because I´m not willing to support this policy.
From time to time, this issue is discussed in the german forums. Many guests - and women - feel irritated because of the "maladjusted" behaviour of some people from oriental or eastern-european countries.
I don´t tend to generalize bad behaviour of certain people as characteristic for all guys of the same origin. Others do. Germany is a FKK-Paradise, but it´s not a perfect country.
Rayboy,
sorry to hear about it but Freudenberg is a club that is very open about their racial policy. It says so on their home page, it says so in the newspaper, they are quite clear about it. It says German Run and for Germans only, but our friends from holland are welcome as well. On their home page guestbook a swede asks what about swedes, and they say people from northern climes are welcome, it is targeted mainly at southerners.
This club is one of the Red Carpet Clubs. About 11 clubs which all belong to the same guy. He has one club specially for people of Southern descent, called Salome. They have some clubs which have no racial bias, and some clubs which are German only. Some of the girls are making their decision of which club to work in based on that too.
The people who run Coccon and Tropicana are a little particular on letting in some nationalities (particularly turkish). In Those clubs they will definitely refuse groups of that descent entry and send them to Club ali Baba, which is also owned by the same people and set up for that clientelle.
Happy Garden also turns Turks away every now and then, usually when they come in groups or are too young.
It might not be fair, but it is the way it is. At Freudenberg 39 they are very open about it. I thought I mentioned that in the forum somewhere.
They really aren't into Political Correctness or affirmative action or any of that in Germany in General. Immigrant integration is seen as an assymilate or suffer proposal, and multi-culturalism isn't really a major thing in Germany. There are lots of immigrants, but most are Economic fledgling's from crappy countires and with little skills. It is very different from Anglo Saxen parts of the world where many of the immigrants are top tier (well educated, with decent jobs and such). The situation is similar for immigrants in France and Italy too.
If they were maybe your case would be an inteesting one to plead in front of the anti-discrimination court. fight for equality among mongers. I'll let you go to the front of the line and get all the headline coverage.
Peter
Thanks for all your comments guys. Racism does not really affect me but I feel sorry that in the 21st centuary, people are still judged on skin color rather a case-by-case basis.
Anyway, if you read my other reports, I went and had a cool time in Prague and FKK World.
Next weekend I'm looking at going to the new "golden triangle" i.e. PHG, Goldentime. Will I have the same problem Peter?
CBGBConnisur
07-16-04, 21:24
Sorry that happened to you but don't feel that Germany is really like that, because it is not.
If you read my report about a club I visited on the Dutch-German border, the German women at this club treated the black men who visited on one night like movie stars. Its called Kasteel Waterloo and they often hire a lot of young dark skinned guys, usually African and hung, to entertain their clients. In fact out of all the guys who can get laid in Germany with absolutely no money or social skills is a young, handsome black male, Arabs and Indians if they are good looking can get a lot of pussy just because they are exotic. Even Turks do well with a lot of women. Visit Bodrum, Turkey, and you will see busloads of German women hooking up with Turkish men, the weird thing is that many of these German women looking for nice young dark Turks, are the same women who usually dislike the Turks in their own country.
From my extensive experience with European women, exoticism works really well with a lot of them, they're more likely to sleep with a guy of color than a white woman from the USA. First of all Europe is not very multicultural, so an attractive guy who is non-white can do well simply for the fact that he is different from the average local guy. There was this one African American guy who made a lot of adult films in Germany, he has his own German website and its kind of funny. There was also another guy who I believe is Arab or Turkish and shows up in a lot of German porno movies. In fact I find German porno films very fascinating to watch because of the different nationalities of people in them, one particular film I remember I saw in Dolce Vita FKK in Duesseldorf, the porno featured a very dark South Asian looking guy with a beard and a lot of body hair, in very good shape porking a blonde(or was it redhead) German hardbody(but the woman was clearly a white European and the man was clearly not European). I was staring at it in amazement because American porno films are so conservative in comparison.
I've never had a problem in Prague. In fact I've bee lucky enough to go to clubs run by "not nice blokes" and are for locals only but I've somehow been allowed in.
My recent experience in Germany is a one-off. Germany is still an awesome place for the hobby.
However, see my last comment on FKK World.
CBGBConnisur
07-17-04, 19:24
German women do dig dark skinned guys, right now at this very moment a German female is probably in a resort town in Turkey getting boinked by one of the local guys. Not all German women are like this but there are a lot of adventurous ones.
Speaking of how you get treated at the door, Germans and Europeans if they don't like foreigners will let their feelings be known up front, in some ways its better than the PC charade of the US and Canada, where they play pretend, but their true feelings are hidden deep down. Trust me there is a lot more bias towards skin color in the US than in Western Europe, most of the public's views towards people and cultures are influenced heavily by the news media, just take a look at the American news media and the way people from countries that are racially different from the white majority in the US are portrayed and then watch the international news coverage on BBC or Deutsche Welle, you will see a world of difference. There was segment of Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine that focused on how the US media demonizes black males.
Iceberg Slim
07-18-04, 07:27
I had an interesting experience in Hamburg Reeperbahn, Admittedly not the best place for the hobby. I was with business colleagues on a night out.
We were all dressed like business people. I am more ethnic looking than my colleagues. I noticed the girls approached only those that were caucasian looking.
They never approached me. I know I am decent looking. I noticed they approached everybody who is "white" regardless of age or looks.
The girls were young and some quite attractive. My limited hobby experience tells me Germany is still living in the past.
Chorfa,
Almopst all the street girls in Hamburg are from Eastern Europe. If anyone is living in the past then it is them.
I am sick of ethnic minorities claiming that Germany is a big bad racist country, especially for mongers. I have seen every ethnic minority imaginable as customers at clubs and in other pay sex venues in Germany. Eros centers are frequented by approximately 70% minorities. That girls have sexual preferences and experiences on which they base who they approach is understandeable. You should see how many men react to blag girls or asians in clubs. If you here them you would think they are referring to animals not people, and that is more from non-germans than from germans. Each of us has sexual preferences.
I travel to virtually every part of the world (Except South America, sadly), and Germans are in no way Racially motivated compared to most other countries in the world.
In Eastern Europe visible minorities are considered completely worthless (same thing in Italy). Germany has never had a problem with Bananas being thrown and monkey noises being made when black players are playing soccer (This IS a problem in Britain, France, Belgium, Turkey!!!, and all of eastern Europe).
Hobbying in Hong Kong or Macau is about as racist as it gets. You get a menu listing country and cost. They basically say it is worth less to sleep with a Malay or Thai, followed by Mainland Chinese, then is Hong Kong National and at the top of the ladder (and almost twice as much) are White women. There South Asians (Indians) are considered so lowly that they are not even on offer. They work the streets and can be had for about half the price of the Thai's.
Go to Japan and try and get professionally laid as anything other than a Japanese Guy and you have 0% chance. Non-Pro is about the easiest thing in the world for a white guy.
Go to the Indian Sub Continent and you really think you are in another century. Were it not for the presence of airplanes and the cars you would think it was 1732. And before yome people blow up at me, I spend about 12 weeks a year on the sub continent. But South Asians are among the most racist people I have met. Try intermarriage. I have never met another cultural group with less intermarriage.
It is true that sex workers might have racial preferences and prejudices, but considering that most of these girls have slept professionally with thousands of men, and probably hundreds from each nationality, their preferences and prejudices might actually be based on personal experience. Some clubs have policies prohibiting some guests, but it is not a broad symbol of racism in Germany.
Peter
Peter,
"I am sick of ethnic minorities claiming that Germany is a big bad racist country, especially for mongers"
Me too, Peter ;). My full support to you here. I'm Asian, over 50, not decent looking and have been to numerous FKK clubs in Germany for years. I never had a problem with a girl 99% of the time, and I always recommend German FKKs as a mongering destination for foreigners.
I sometimes also speak with the local German customers, and the vast majority has no hesitation in talking to me, recommending me some girls and give me a big tap on the shoulders with their thumb up when I go to the room with a stunner half (or one third :D) my age.
PS : I however disagree with you about attitude in Eastern Europe thought. I travel extensively there. Just back from Belarus and never had a problem. In Prague, Asians are "VIP" customers in many places, like K5 (more than half of the customers are Asian on some nights, and this is considered the best club in Prague). But we're getting off topic here. :D
Chorfa1,
"My limited hobby experience tells me Germany is still living in the past"
Well, maybe you should expand your experience a little bit then and contribute something new, rather than reposting the same irrelevant comment you already made back in February :(. Just a few remarks too, if I may :
1. This forum is about "Germany FKK Clubs". There is another forum about "Germany". Do you know what a FKK club is ? Please let's talk only about German FKKs here and don't pollute the forum unecessarily.
2. Peter already said it, but most girls working in Germany are not German. They will have the same attitude or ethnic preference wherever they work. Don't see how that can say anything about Germany.
BTW, I had the best laugh in months, re-reading your posts "Can anybody suggest ladies working from home in the South Bay area. I prefer white women. Appreciate any information, please PM me and will report my findings on the board." Are you saying you can have ethnic preferences, but not the girls ?
3. If a girl don't approach you, why don't you just approach her if you like her, or are you so shy ? I personally would be in heaven if girls don't approach me, and I can take my time to choose the ones I want to talk to (and do something else with) without being harrassed constantly. :)
Please note that, in some FKKs, girls are not allowed to approach you, so select the clubs carefully if you like being approached.
Jim
Germany racist?
I am Asian, yes I am smart clean have no attitude treat a lady like a lady, respect whatever country I go to and NEVER have any problems.
Now if I was Asian, not very smart, smelly and had a attitude, I guess the lady in question may not be to keen to let me swap body fluids with her, if you get my drift.
We all have choices and if a girl decides not to sleep with a man because of race then thats her choice but I would guess its more due to a previous bad experience than racism.
I found Germany a great place, people were very friendly the U.K and the rest of the world should take a lesson from these people and I for one cannot wait to go back.
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Whoops! I might have started a "racist" debate. GandJim, you're right, Germany is not a racist place. But there are some, a minority who live in the past.
Germany is a great place for "hobbying"!
just to weigh in on this, i spent 18 months in germany recently due to being called up for active military duty. i fell in love with the place. i am african american and i felt completely at home in germany. overall, the germans treated me better than most of the white americans i had to interact with over there. i also saw more interracial couples (german women & african american soldiers) than i have seen anywhere else. i never visited a fkk club but i did visit a few euro centers. i got rejected by a few girls but there were many more girls who were more interested in my money than the color of my skin. in short, the germans just don't have that many hang ups whether it be speed limits, drinking, smoking, nudity, pornography or sex. that's why germany is such a great place (especially in the summertime; germans girls and bicycles-you can't beat that type of scenery!). if you're a man on the prowl, germany is the closest thing to paradise.
Peter
"Germany has never had a problem with Bananas being thrown and monkey noises being made". Completely untrue. Ask Ollie Kahn ;-)
CBGBConnisur
07-20-04, 04:46
Closest thing to Paradise, try Australia its even closer to paradise than Germany(beautiful women+excellent mongering+gorgeous beaches+women in bikinis+300 days of sunshine=Paradise). Its bloody cold in Germany during the winter, I remember a couple of years ago people literally stopped their cars during a storm and slept until it ended. Tripod, I have to agree with you about how Germans having fewer hangups than Americans on so many different things.
How many of you live in Germany, and specifically Frankfurt? If you do, how do you keep from getting caught, or spotted on route to an FKK? Do you fib your way around, and is it tricky to do so? Have any of you run into people you know personally at an FKK? I've been to an FKK, but I live in the US, so it's not that big of a deal. I was just wondering how you German members or residents deal with this.
Bruce
Bruce Ley,
I live in the Rhein.Main-Area. All I can say is, that I just don't care.
Being a regular visitor in FKK-Clubs for more than two years, I never met anyone I didn´t expect to visit clubs.
But if it would happen, I wouldn´t mind.
It's not forbidden to visit clubs. So, where's the problem?
i can only say first Germany is much different than USA. Second if you saw someone you know at a FKK what could happen. If he is from where you are then he would have as much of a problem as you. If you are married them it is maybe best to not shit where you sleep. But i doubt you will meet your wifes friends there.
CBGBConnisur
07-21-04, 15:36
I have a German friend who found his daughter working in a club, and that definitely did not make him happy, neither was she.
As an unmarried guy living in Deutschland I must say that it I don't really worry about who I meet or who sees me at the FKKs that I visit. What's more, I am not sure that it is a big issue with many of the married men that I see at FKKs. First, the FKKs here are generally very discreet. Both in the way that they are set up and how one is treated.
I have heard the occasional story of a guy (or worker) meeting an ex, a relative, or a colleague from work at FKKs. Interesting stories, I must say.
Bruce Ley,
It's a good question. Many of the German girls fear exactly the kind of thing that happened to CBGBC's friend's daughter, i.e. that someone they know comes into the club. That's why a lot of them commute to the clubs that are quite a bit away from their home.
But what could happen to a monger, if seen inside a club? You will only be seen and recognized by another monger. Big deal! The other guy has then some potentially damaging info on you, but it's the same that you have on him. Often, people really like to meet someone they know. Sharing information on girls and other aspects of the hobby is a lot of fun. (This is also why this site is so popular, and why quite a few memebers arrange to meet each other in the clubs.)
Problem, of course, is when you are the other guy's boss. That could be real difficult. It's also a problem if you are famous. The comedian Bill Murray once said that if you think you want to be rich and famous, try being just rich first, and see if this does the trick. Everytime I visit an FKK I appreciate this wisdom.
I often see guys come in pairs to the FKKs. If you have a friend who shares the hobby, then cover is very easy of course. You can provide a great alibi for each other. A couple of guys I met at Oase once where laughing about their wives wondering why they loved eating grilled chicken so much. Apparently thy were telling their wives that there was this far away chicken restaurant that they liked to frequent together.
Soccer matches are another great cover. One Wednesday evening I was in the Sudfass in Frankfurt and astonished that there were at least three times as many girls as usual. I asked what was so special. They told me that the Eintracht had a home game. That generates increased business after the game. Lots of guys just tell their wifes they had traffic problems. (The German speakers of you will appreciate the double meaning of "Verkehr"). But many just pretend they buy tickets and go straight to the clubs. Gives them at least 4 hours of hobbying, plus the price of the ticket and beers to spend on the hobby, if the wives are checking the money aspect. All they have to do then is to find out the score before they go home. I suspect that's why many clubs show the games on TV.
Having someone see your car parked outside a club is a potential danger. Advice: park somewhere not too far away and take a taxi. This is very easy in Frankfurt. And the added 10 to 20 euro may be well worth it.
Many guys also leave work an hour early and make a quick pit stop at the club. That's why many clubs are busy from 5 to 7 pm.
Does this give you a sense of how it's done?
euro
P.S.: All trick fail, however, if you happen to have a heart attck during sex at the club. This once happened to a member of the German Bundestag in a *****house in Bonn. Big scandal! In particular, because it turned out that the *****house had been run by the Chech spies.
Sure Schottt
07-22-04, 04:54
I have just a few sentences to share for you english speaking fkk enthusiasts who have recently married a german woman (who may already be gaining a few extra pounds), and are interested in learning the wonderful german language.
Remember that english is a germanic language, so german pronunciation is not as difficult as most people think.
Here's what you say to your wife after the football (or soccer) match and the fkk experience:
"Nach dem Fussballspiel bin Ich schnell zum Auto gekommen. Gleich bin Ich losgefahren. Leider gab es aber unheimlich viel Verkehr. Deswegen bin Ich so spät zu Dir gekommen, Schatz!"
I hope this is a life-saver for you proud newlyweds.
Hi Fellow Mongerers
This will be my first trip to Frankfurt (Int'l Book Fair) in October. And my second trip to Europe (London, way back in 1993). However, I am a regular on the Thai board. After reading extensively the German FKK and Franfurt boards, I have a few questions I hope some of you can answer.
1. What would be the best place for a first time visitor.
2. Being of South Asian descent, would there be any problem, i.e. picking up a girl, denied entry etc..
3. Does physique count at these FKK. I am rather large with a beer belly. Never had a problem in Thailand.
4. What hours do these FKK remain open. I would rather go in daylight so I can get a bearing about the area. What would be the best time to go.
5. How safe is it travelling by taxi, train and what hours are the best if there are unsafe hours.
6. Any other advice for a newbie would be appreciated.
Thanks and have fun
Duni
Lance has Sheryl Crow as his outlet. I imagine that he is doing just fine without having to visit FKKs. In any case, considering the vile abuse heaped on him during Wednesday's Etappe by all of those drunken Jan Ulrich fans, he may not care to visit Germany for awhile.
Duniawala
1. I would go for World for a first time, simply because there is more space, a larger selection and no pressure - but it is all a matter of taste and luck
2. I've seen all nationalities in the Frankfurt clubs and there never seems to be a problem. trhe only problems arise if you are obnoxious (drunk, or dirty)
3. As for physique - well I've seen amputees, very thin and very large clients all get service. Maybe a 20 year old stud might get better service, but you sound as if you'll fit in well withing the normal parameters
4. They tend to open from around 10 or 11 until 4 or 5 in the morning. The best time if you want to do daytime woud be to arrive around 2 or 3 in the afternonn and then stay until the new girls come on around 5 or 6. That way you get time to oruentate yourself and get to look around before the clubs get busy
5 Public transport is very safe in Frankfurt area. If you're going by public transport make sure you check the return times as it tends to stop quite early. This is particularly an issue if you go to World as it is too far to go by taxi. Palace of course is in the city itself
6 Advice - just relax and you'll enjoy yopurself. The chances of getting ripped off are very very low. Just treat the girls well
Thanks for the replies. Now I'm well informed and ready to go. Will post FRs after my trip.
Another question.
Can you spit mild verbal abuse at the girls as you fuck? I mean, maybe if you discussed it beforehand ("I'm into calling women names as I fuck them. Do you think you could do that with me?"), I suppose that would be okay. Things like, "That's right, you filthy *****... take that dick." LOL. All that cheesy porno-talk it turns me on sometimes.
I didn't dare bring that up the last time I went to an FKK, but in retrospect I would like to try that on my next visit. Do you think the girls will take offense, if you discussed it beforehand before heading to a room?
Depends on the girl. Celine (former Atl. now at Oase) will say and do anything and let you say and do anything. Not sure that I would try something like that with Eva (Oase). Just a hunch though.
I am guessing that you may find more girls at Oase who will give you more of a "Porno-style" session.
Remember, the FKK experience is a chance to realize our fantasies. If you what it, then it is there for the having.
Cheers,
Dedalus
"There's a saying goes, says that love is blind.
Still we're often told "Seek and ye shall find."
Bruce,
That is not a problem for the girls.
Some of them do the dirty talk as you would like to. ;-)
Traveling Male
07-26-04, 21:26
Bruce Ley,
How about picking up a girl that doesn't speak English well, then you can call her all kind of names while you're having sex, she wouldn't know what you are talking about... lol ;) But seriously, many girls are very accommodating, but if you wind up with someone who speaks good English, just explain to her before you go to the room about your fantasy, and make sure she understands it is just fantasy, no personal harm is intended.
Also, given how tiny and thin the walls can be in the World, you might want to pick a zimmer with more privacy, or even better, why not ask the girl to do it outdoors, in a private spot. In Oase they have cabins outside with a good deal of privacy, so if things get loud, you won't get noticed much ;)
My advise is to get your fantasies out in these clubs, it is just here where I realized how my own fantasies quadrupled the intensity of my orgasms.
Happy hunting.
Traveling Male
07-27-04, 00:24
Hi all,
Can anyone recommend a good electronics store in Frankfurt where they sell GPS handhelds? someplace like CompUSA or BestBuy in the U.S.? I want to buy a GPS from Germany so I can get the German maps already downloaded, If you buy a U.S. GPS here you get North America Maps, and to download German maps it would cost extra. I figure I get more lost in Germany than I do in U.S., so I'd rather get the German version.
Any help is appreciated,
Thanks,
Two places in Frankfurt:
One is an outdoor shop on the Hanauer Landstrasse called Globetrotter.
http://www.globetrotter.de/de/wir/frankfurt.php?GTID=d0984582eb9193df714cf46af7186b2f
The have a lot of Garmin products and extra software.
Another would be a shop called Expansys. I have only bought from them online but they are in Frankfurt on the Steinweg 7
Again they have a complete selection of Garmin and other products.
http://www.expansys.de/other.asp?cat=GPSACC
There is a chain in Germany called Saturn put I doubt that they carry these "Handgeräte".
Also you might check ebay.de and do a search (Suche) under "GPS", "Handgeräte", and maybe "Garmin".
I am no expert, but I would think that it would be less expensive to download the software for Germany before you go. Am I wrong? Please enlighten me.
Thanks and cheers,
Dedalus
P.S. A few months ago, the discount market Aldi was advertising a PDA with GPS for a rather inexpensive price. Maybe this is still going on.
I tried to buy at Expansys directly one time: they have no real shop. They only deliver via postal service. So you have to buy online or via phone.
Another off-topic question.
When I hire a car I know that I cannot access emergency numbers and free hire car numbers using my UK mobile (altho I can make normal calls).
Is there any way as an occasional visitor I can get a mobile cheaply in Germany which will access 0800 type free numbers? Any ideas welcome
Shiatsu,
just buy a XTra-Card, available at every Telekom-Shop. You can buy just the Card and put it in your mobile or you buy a package of card and mobile. The card costs 40 € and has a 15 € debit. Packages with a mobile range from 70 € to 200 €, depending on the type. You can recharge the card at every T-Shop or Post-Office.
Traveling Male
07-28-04, 23:32
Dedalus,
Thanks for the info and the web sites, I will stop at these stores first thing after I land in Frankfurt on my next trip.
I checked Garmin web site, and they charge $345 just for the street maps software lock code which you need to download the German maps onto any U.S. purchased Garmin GPS, like the iQue3600, so it adds it up when you account for the price of the GPS unit, plus I really don't care too much for the U.S. maps, it is so easy to find my way around in the U.S.
Not sure how Navman or TomTom guide work in regards to european maps.
Thanks once again for the info,
Traveling Man
Lover Boy #2
08-01-04, 05:20
Dedalus,
I definitely agree with the comment on Celine (once of Atlantis). The funny thing is, with all the positive attitude and willingness to play, she is pretty good looking and a great screw also! Just my opinion. Some positive press for a great porno style girl.
Hey Luv.
Yeah, I have always liked her. I have read a few reports that say she is a clock watcher who tries to pile on the extras. But we have always had good times and she is always a blast. I like the way she shouts and moans encouraging words.
Nothing wrong with trying to tame a wild child now and then.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Mainlander
08-01-04, 22:02
Travelling Male,
I found the prices of GPS systems in Germany fairly expensive compared to what you can buy them for discounted in Canada and the US.
Rather than pay $345 for maps of Europe to download or buy a new GPS in Germany, if you're renting a car check out whether the rental company offers portable GPS' for the car.
I went to Germany last fall and told my travel agent I wanted a car that had GPS. She told me she checked with the car rental agencies and said that the GPS was not available except in the high-end luxury cars and/or through Hertz (although not all Hertz cars were guaranteed to have them). I ended up booking a car from Avis for 8 days because the price was the lowest. I asked her to call Avis to see if they had GPS available. She called and was told it was not available. She must not have called the Avis at the airport location, however.
When I got to Frankfurt airport, I discovered that Avis and some others (I think Hertz and Budget) also rent portable GPS' that you can use with their cars, but you have to reserve them in advance (they run out quickly!). Fortunately, they had two available (one in German, one in English). These were made by Navman (ICN 630 I think).
The price was about 10 euros per day, which makes it a bargain if you're only there for a few days. It was portable, plugged into the cigarette lighter and mounted to a suction cup on the windshield. Having used the Hertz "never lost" system in Canada and the US, I found the Navman far superior with much better screens, much better resolution and much better voice commands. Only thing is - when using the English language version - there are two keyboards for entry of letters - one has the normal English letters and you have to select something on the screen to toggle to get the other keyboard (for the German and French characters such as umlauts, graves, acutes, etc..). Once I figured that out, it was a breeze to use.
This is the first time I used a GPS in Europe and it was great. Punch in the address of any FKK club you want and simply follow the instructions and it will get you there in no time! Trying to find FKKs in the past without GPS, I'm now sold on GPS! Takes away all the frustration and stress of driving in Germany. Also, when you're leaving at 3 a.m and exhausted, you simply call up your hotel address from your previous destinations and it takes you back - no wasted time, effort or stress.
Given my poor experience with a travel agent, I would recommend getting the best deal on a car you can and before booking them call their airport location at Frankfurt (or wherever you'll land) to ask if they have portable GPS' for rent. If they say yes, then book and get the agent to reserve a portable GPS for you (or call them at the airport after you've booked to get the portable GPS added on).
Mainlander, Travelling Male,
Sixt has GPS free of charges on their entry level compact models. I've rented Mercedes Class A and Renault (Megane or Scenic, can't remember). I've found the Renault system better than the Mercedes one.
Jim
Mainlander
08-02-04, 17:24
GrandJim,
Thanks for the information. I booked with Sixt several years ago and wanted to book with them again but Avis offered an intermediate at a lower price than Sixt did for the time I was there. Even after paying the 10 euro per day extra for the GPS I think the price at Avis that I got was only marginally more than Sixt at the time. Plus, i got the free upgrade and ended up with a Mercedes C class (diesel).
I guess the lesson I learned is call the rental agency directly at the airport you are flying to and find out what cars they have and whether GPS is available as part of the car or as an extra and what you have to do to reserve exactly what you want. Then go to expedia, travelocity and the car rental websites and search for the lowest price.
I'll look into booking with Sixt next time, especially if they provide the GPS without additional charge as that could make them cheaper than others where you have to pay the "add-on" charge for GPS.
Lover Boy #2
08-03-04, 04:25
Sixt is a great rental car company that got it's start in pre-war Germany. I like to use this company because of their efficiency and availability of vehicles. BUT, make sure that you keep careful records of your rental and make sure that when you return the vehicle that it is checked in (as far as damage goes) and that the rental in finalized. After finalization ask for a receipt showing the final rental amount inc. all charges. Two years ago many people at my company had big problems with Sixt when it came to the final charges on the comapny credit card (which did not match the agreed upon rental amounts). This was all straightened out after a few hours on the phone for each of them, so just beware and get final receipts from them. The problem might have been caused by the fact that Dollar Rent a Car actually controlls rentals from the U.S. and their computer systems(Dollar and Sixt) are not totally compatable. At least that's the excuse they gave me when I had my own problem with them.
Can someone recomend an FKK in Berlin and Munich?
Thanks!
Jaas
Jaas,
I don't know if I am just in a mood to be an ass to new posters in this section or whether it is a day where people are asking questions that can easily be answered using the Search function.
Pay sex is a bad idea in Munich, but the two clubs out there are Eden and Sudfass. Neither is reall to be recommended, and much higher price structure.
In Berlin La Folie is the only one that can be recommended, wlthough there is a lot of sex for sale in Berlin. I want to try out sex kinos on my next trip.
The real FKK's are in either the Frankfrut or Cologne/Düsse3ldorf areas.
Peter
CBGBConnisur
08-07-04, 01:10
People have told me that Berlin's nightlife is XXX, could anyone care to go into more detail? I honestly thought Berlin was a solid PG-13. Even the hottest FKK clubs are rated R compared to what I experienced in Brazil last month.
pete_cocks
08-09-04, 16:07
Hi All,
I will be traveling to Heidelberg Next week for 7 days. Looking through the reports I do not find any listings for FKK/Sauna/Party Treff club listings for Heidelberg. I am not very knowlegeable about German City Geography. Can anyone advise me on the closest FKK clubs to Heidelberg. Due to the awesome posts on this board I am very excited to expore all Germany has to offer.
Thanks for any assistance.
Pete
Pete,
Frankfurt is not that far from Heidelberg (Palace, Oase, World).
Also Flamingo Island (Karlsruhe/Ettlingen) is also pretty close.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hessen Bub
08-10-04, 07:35
Heidelberg to Flamingo Island: 39 minutes by car.
Heidelberg to Palace: 50 minutes by car.
Heidelberg to Oase: 1 hour 6 minutes by car.
Heidelberg to FKK World: 1 hour 18 minutes by car.
I would prefer the last 3 clubs, if the weather is fine the last two.
Hessen Bub
@CBGB,
Berlin really does have some off the wall pay sex. More the sort of bizarre stuff. There is pay sex available in different variations in all parts of town. I swear I saw at least 50 different places with red hearts in some variation or other.
As I said, La Folie is the closest to an FKK. The service level is not as high, like CBJ is standard. There are also Sex Kinos (Cinemas). I tried one near Leopoldplatz. Would not recommend. You pay 6€ entrance. There are two sall rooms with pornos running. there were about 10 girls hanging around, (range 1-4 on a scale of 1-10). I mean there were 50+ year old ladies. CBJ in the theatre is 20€, 15 minutes in a room in an adjacent building is 30€. Place was relatively clean, but the calibre of girls was the worst I have ever seen.
There are also a lot of swinger clubs and even live sex shows in the town. None that I would recommend, but if you are more into the kinky sort of stuff, or if you are gay, then this town is XXX.
Peter
Hi Guys,
Been away for a while.
Been to atlantis a few times but i understand its now closed.
Whats the next best place of simular standard?
Hessen Bub
08-11-04, 16:53
Three alternatives to choose from:
www.the-palace.de (no outdoor facilities)
www.fkk-oase.de
www.fkk-world.de
They all got their own section here, so enjoy reading.
Hessen Bub
CBGBConnisur
08-11-04, 16:59
A friend of mine told me to go to either Costa Del Sol, Spain or Bodrum Turkey during summer, because both places are filled with randy young German women.
@CBGB,
I don't mean to jump all over you, but did you use to or do you still smoke a lot of pot?
I mean your posts are often off the wall, with absolutely no reference point to other things in the thread. Either you rant about how horrible the women in america are, or how great Australia is or how German girls jump on every black man or Turk within 100 miles.
Regarding Costa Del sol or Bodrum. If you are into 18 year old high school girls then you might find some randy germans. Costa del Sol is filled with 16-18 year old German guys and girls who cannot afford an airplane ticket and book a weeklong bus holiday that costs 159€ including lodging and breakfast. They are there to drink and puke, and potentially have sex with some men they may or may not remember in the morning, and they may or may not have been able to consent to. In Bodrum, you are about 1000% more likely to find Randy Swedish or British girls. They are really out there to fuck. The Germans are quite conservative in comparison.
Peter
This is not to be a generalisation but the exchange below brings to mind a recent conversation I had with a colleague of mine who's married to a German lady. Quite well-educated English guy, quite reserved but when he's had a few drinks he's quite funny. We're talking about his visits to Germany and all of a sudden he goes, "What is it with German women and black guys? What's up with that?" It was so unexpected, coming from such a "proper" guy I burst into laughter while he continued, "No, no, seriously we have a few German friends here in London and the ones who are married are all married to black guys!"
Peter, I agree with CBGB, I think its actually a good indication that Germans are fairly liberal, unprejudiced people. In fact, for all the jokes you hear about Germans in the UK, I actually cannot recall one German person I have ever met that I have ever actively disliked.
I think the contrast between Germans and, say, the Spanish is quite amazing. Germans seem so conservative when you meet them but they're actually quite liberal and adventurous, whereas in my experience, for all their "fiesta" characteristics, the Spanish are actually quite conservative people.
These are only general impressions so don't all jump on me, by the way.
CBGBConnisur
08-12-04, 15:02
Is there a problem???
Not Really a problem. I just find that your posts are often out of context with the thread.
What exactly do Holiday destinations in Spain and Turkey have to do with General info on FKK's or anything in this thread. Most things in a thread are either a report on an experience, or a question or an answer to a question. Your posts often fall into the Miscellaneous category. They are not any of the three above. they are like observations about things out of the blue. Nothing wrong with that, just a little tough to follow.
Rminds me a little of Nibu Raphael in the South America sections, just with less reports.
You have posted about 5 times how Germany and a certain swinger club in holland are "black man's Paradise".
You have posted about twenty times how much German girls crave Turkish cock, at least on vacation in Turkey.
In the old days you posted about 30 times how money grubbing American girls are, especially the ones in New York.
You have been raving about Australian Women a lot lately, and you often mention that nothing can compare with what you experienced in Rio.
You also post a lot about what friends of yours have told you about certain places or people.
I remember at some time when a certain FKK girl was moving in with you to spend the rest of your lives together or something like that.
Nothing wrong with any of the posts, just that they come out of left fioeld and sometimes seem like short term obsessions of yours.
I don't want to get into a big fight about this, I just wanted to comment on it once, because it has been on my mind for a long time.
Peter
CBGBConnisur
08-13-04, 05:23
I only brought up the story about Spain and Turkey because one of the girls at Babylon in Elsdorf was telling me about it and she and her friends like going to those places in to party.
I guess my question would be, why talk about Australian women or Bazilian women, in a German forum? Shouldn't that be done in an Aussie or Brazilian forum? We all know you love these women and that you are in Oz now.
Fellow Mongers-Can someone help me out and list the clubs (good ones) in Dusseldorf. I will be there next week. Maybe, list only the good ones!
Ciao
CBGBConnisur
08-15-04, 02:33
Try Dolce Vita in Deusseldorf Reisholz, its near an old Henkel factory. There is also Blue Note in Dusseldorf. If you like Asian women there is also the Pegasus Partytreff. If you enjoy group sex, try the Beverly Partytreff in Solingen. You can also try Babylon and Wiago which are near Cologne, you can take a train from Dusseldorf to Cologne and then to Bergheim, from there take a cab to Babylon, it should cost a total of 25 Euros each way to Babylon. The three advantages of Germany are the cost of clubs, the safety(its not like Eastern Europe or South America), and selection of women(I think you can find women from every part of the globe). The psychological effect of seeing groups of young women cavort around completely nude and the fact that you can have sex with any one of them is something that cannot be underestimated. I think this is the reason why they do so well.
Would anyone like to join me for my first visit to a fkk during the next days? I live about 90 minutes from world and oase. Post me a message if interested.
Tropicana on CorneliusStrasse 76 right downtown is pretty good too. All of these in town clubs have a pricing strategy that favours fewer sessions and shorter sessions. I am not going to explain them hee and now.
Near Düsseldorf are the golden triangleof Planet Happy Garden, Goldentime and Wildenrath. With a car they are all within half an hour of Ddf, and about 20 minutesfrom one to the next.
Peter
Are FKK girls tested for STD? Or does it depend on the club.
Nice Guy 99
08-18-04, 20:12
Gentlemen
I will be in München in the August 27-30 time frame for a business meeting. I am looking for your recommendations on where to find a good FKK Club. I've read back about a month and see one mention of Eden and Sudfass that was not too complementary but seemed to indicate that they were close to München.
I'm willing to travel a bit by train or perhaps even rent a car but I need to maintain a München base for business purposes. I speak a little German, which gets better with bier, but I'm really not conversational any more. I'll do more searching but would really value anyone who wants to make my life a bit easier with some recommendations. Oh, and I promise a full FR on my return!
Nice Guy,
I recommend FKK-Colosseum in Augsburg, about 80 km west of Munich. I haven´t been there yet, but I heard very good critics. Prices and services are similar to FKK-World, Oase or Palace. That´s quit cheap for the Munich Area...
The Munich Clubs charge 75 €/30 min. instead of 50 €, and the service is poorer (no FK, BBBJ etc.)
Nice Guy,
I would love to help you, but Munich remains a great place for business and beer but horrible for hobbying. The price level is signiicantly higer than other parts of Germany and the service level is significantly lower. CBJ are the norm in Bavaria, whereas in other areas BBBJ is the norm, some clubs CIM is the norm (means contained in the basic rate)
Actually I just remembered that a new club has opened up in the region, it is called Colloseum and is located in Augsburg http://www.colosseum-club.de/ , which is about 45 minutes from Munich by car. It has been getting pretty good press. I would look for some reports on the German Forum (www.roemerforum.de), their search function works great (the club is referred to as ColA). If you can get onto that (use the Über18 ID Check, it is free and I know you can input US passports into it - littletip for psycho anonymity freaks - it doesn't have to be yours, just someon over 18)
For those of you wondering why I am answering him and not telling him to RTFF, it is because the search function is completely disabled. That isa problem that I hope Jackson takes care of soon.
Peter,
In which clubs are CIM included in the basic rate? I have a facial/cum fetish, and I would love to know which clubs do this - it will be very cost-effective for me. I remember last year at Atlantis I had to pay 50 extra to cum on a girl's face/tits, and I only did it once (out of 5 sessions) because it was too costly.
Bruce
A brief financial analysis of the effect of an entrance fee and per girl charges
This chart summarizes costs for Dietzenbach, Sauna world (Gorgeshausen), and Palace (Frankfurt). You can get the idea by looking at the CPG (Cost Per Girl) ratio as the number of girls increases. All prices in euros.
Dietz. Sauna World Palace
Ent. Fee, .5 hr: 50,30 30,50 65,50
Total CPG Total CPG Total CPG
Girl 1 80 80 80 80 115 115
Girl 2 110 55 130 65 165 83
Girl 3 140 47 180 60 215 72
Girl 4 170 43 230 58 265 66
Man, the 50% swing in the dollar is starting to hurt. Less than 2 years ago, it was 1 euro per $0.80 now it is $1.27 dollars per euro.
All of the places I have been have SOMEBODY worth spending time with. I am seeing worse and worse attitude and needing to do way too much work with some girls at most places. As always, YMMV, DSFDF.
Mark
Stinky Pete
08-23-04, 05:14
Hi Bruce,
I, too, enjoy shooting off on a woman's face. I used to be shy about asking to come on a woman's face, but I have gotten into it quite a bit in the past year, both at Atlantis, before it closed, and now at FKK World. My favorite position lately is to have the woman lie down with me straddling her rib cage so I can fuck her cleavage.
I usually pick the bustier ones for this, although it seems to work okay even with smaller boobs (say, C-cup). I like nothing better than to wrap her boobs around my cock as I thrust forward and feel her tongue flicking out or feel her lips catch my knob. Pretty soon she's got ribbons of white come on her cheeks and chin and dripping down her neck.
My experience at FKK World in the past year makes me recommend some of the Polish women there. Every one I've been with has let me shoot off on her face. They include Nina, a 19 year old natural D-cup blonde; Nicole, a 23 year old natual DD-cup (or E-cup) who currently has red hair; Ustina, in her early 20's who has short light brown hair with a face that looks younger; and Eva, a 30 year old with brown hair that goes down just below her shoulders (she doesn't look young, but she gives great head).
They are all from Poland, I have done mouth-to-mouth kissing with them all and have come on each of their faces. They often sit together on the vinyl-upholstered sofas just outside the dining area at FKK World.
(A black Brazilian woman going by the name of Viagra will also allow facials. You can usually spot her because she's got fake double D's, perfect for tit fucking).
I do the following when I fuck cleavage as described above with the intention of coming on the woman's face: I have an extra towel and put it just beyond the woman's head. If it's my first time with her, I try to explain that I will come on her mouth and cheeks and chin, but that I'll cover her eye's just before I start to come. Even with a language barrier, this can all be conveyed with hand gestures.
I came up with this after a woman at Atlantis claimed one of her co-workers had a swollen red eye for several hours after getting a guy's semen in her eye. I don't know if that was true, but I assume it puts the women more at ease if you have the towel there and really do cover their eyes as you start to come.
As for the cost, if you come on her face, she will naturally get some come on her lips (even if she keeps her lips together and mouth closed) and since I always get some come in her mouth, that's 50 Euro extra. So, for a 30 minute session (50 Euro) with a come facial, that comes to a total of 100 Euro for half an hour. A couple summers ago at Atlantis, I shot my load in a woman's cleavage and the semen went no where else (only on her breasts and in between) and she did not charge me extra. It was 30 minutes and only 50 Euro.
But it does seem to have become more common for the women to expect the extra 50 even if you come only on her boobs and get none of the semen even near her lips. I have not been in this situation recently so I don't know if it is considered standard to pay 50 extra for coming only on her boobs.
I'd appreciate hearing from anyone else about this: If you spend 30 minutes with a woman and come only on her boobs do you pay her 50 or 100 Euro?
Thanks
Bruce Ley,
The only club I know is Bernd´s Saunaclub (Schieferhof). Everything a girl offers is included in the price.
In the Rhein-Main-Area, CIM/COF is ALWAYS an extra. COB is a matter of negotiation. Regarding to latest news COB is included in the Club-Standard at Oase. But it´s better to ask at the reception.
I plan to be visiting the Koeln (Clogne) area in September. I will arrive on a Wednesday evening and leave Thursday evening. I would like recommendations from my fellow pooners for Best FKK in the area (say within 1 hr driving and easy to find). Which one would be best to visit say Wed night and another one or two for Thursday afternoon. TIA
A quick question for a few of you regulars. How do I find out if there is a messe going on during one of my upcoming trips ? Is there a English Website that has dates of the major Conventions in the Frankfurt area ? Looks like the second week of September has some problems getting reasonably priced Hotels in the
Main Hbf area. The Intercity is sold out, prices are high !
Thanks in advance,
Carnal1
Carnal,
Here is a good website for your needs: www.messefrankfurt.com
It lists the dates of all Messe events and has a hotel reservation search function...but I think you will have better results at one of the more conventional hotel searches, like Orbitz or expedia, etc.
One note: I have not checked, but mid-late Sept may well be the start of the Messe season in Frankfurt. It does suck when trying to secure a centrally located hotel room at a cheap price. Sometimes, however, hotels block out rooms in anticipation of selling out for the Messe. Then a few days before the event, the rooms still unsold, the hotel will suddenly release those rooms for quick sale. Maybe you'll have to do like Beffen and head to Giessen for accommodation.
But take solace in the fact that, whatever the difficulties with finding a room during Messe dates, you will probably be amply compensated by the above-average girl selection in the area's FKKs...
Ortos
Bruce Ley,
Sorry for the delay.
Bernds (Schieferhof) does include Cum on Face /CIM in the price (Which has been lowered to 50€ per session with an 80€ entrance fee)
Babylon and Wiago which are both between Cologne and Düsseldorf offer the service in the price as well.
Peter
Dank u Ortos,
More girls, better quality, whats next,,good weather?
al "feta" zene
Carnal1
Carnal,
I have found Rates to Go very handy for booking Frankfurt- prices are higher on this website until 2 weeks of your date, then they suddenly drop, probably as they put those blocks of rooms they reserved up for sale, right Ortos? Check it frequently.
http://www.ratestogo.com/SearchResults.asp?ShowAll=1&cityid=302
beffen1
Peter,
How do Bernd's, babylon, and Wiago rate with Palce, World, Oase interms of quality and service? As i will be visiting Cologne, I am limited to only the former.
TIA
An Exceprt from my report in Palace board:
Here is a recent very bad experience: my question up front: what is YOUR understanding of the rules?
A Bad Exerience at Palace with Nora: Here is the pattern: As soon as you start with this type of girl, on the couch or in the Kino, they put their hand on your penis, and then give you a quick lick or short suck. THAT STARTS THE CLOCK as far as they are concerned. I have NEVER had a girl 'count' the warm up time as part of the 30 mins. Maybe I have just been lucky in all my visits to all the clubs, but this was a first *for me*.
After that first lick, we chatted a bit, caressed, she gave me an occasionaly rub or lick more, and then when a room opened up, we went. Once we moved to the room, we kissed for a minute or two, I did oral on her (at her suggestion) for maybe 5 minutes, and then she says, "we only have 1 minute left, do you want to do 1 stunde (hour)?!?!?" WHOA!!! I immediately said, "No, we're done," and got up and started to wrap in my towel. She looked like she had no idea what I meant. She protested that this was just her job, and when she did "suckee suckee in kino" that was starting the 30 minutes, and that for sex I would have to pay 1 hour now. I said, no I wouldn't, "BECAUSE WE'RE DONE." And I got my things, I paid her, and she continued to complain.
As I said, this has never been my personal experience, or the 'rule' applied to any of the sessions, at any of the clubs, although maybe implicitly the girls who wanted to rush may have been doing this. She said, "it's my job, and if I do suckee it is 30 minutes for 50 euros." I replied "my job is to tell my colleagues on the net to stay away from you." So here goes: Nora is a thin bleach blonde (probably) with slightly crooked front teeth/overbite. Speaks wonderful English. She is one of the ones who will go up to guys somewhat aggressively to initiate something; now I know why. STAY AWAY.
Have I just been incredibly lucky for 4 years? What is other guys experience in this area?
'nuf said.
Mark
Mark User,
You will find some girls like Nora in every club. If you didn´t get in to "really action", don´t pay. Complain at the reception.
Officially, the clock starts to run as soon as you begin with the action, no matter, where you start. But sucking a little bit and then making a break and letting the clock run is not the behaviour that shall be forced by this rule. The rule is just a consequence of the fact that you are not limited to the rooms for sexual action. Personnally, I wouldn´t even give here the 50 € withaout discussing this issue at the reception before. Of course you will have to pay the besich 50 €, but this is the only way the club gets information on the behaviour of the girls. The better clubs - and Palace should be one of them - sont´t want to the ripp-offs to work in their house. The more complaints about a certain women, the earlier she has to leave...
But it´s necessary to complain immediately.
Mark User,
Thanks for the Heads up! I shall make a point of avoiding her when I get there next week. I guess it tells you to keep you wits about you when some girls starts sucking on your dick. Hard to think with both heads at the same time but you gotta do it !
I have heard similar stories regarding this issue, once she starts the BJ so does the clock.
Caveat Punter !
Carnal1
Footloose,
Sorry, I missed your post.
Purely in terms of service the 3 clubs you named in the Cologne Area are wll above the standard service level in Frankfurt area clubs. There are not as many girls, and in some of the clubs I am not blown away by the look of the girls, but there is no way you can complain about the service.
Babylon and Wiago, I have not been to Babylon for over a year, and it has been at least 18 months since I have been in Wiago. I don't really like their price structure with 30€ entrance 80€ for the first session and 65€ for each additional session. At all 3 clubs CIM is included in the base price, and sessions that last up to 45 minutes all count as half hour sessions and some decent couch action including kissing and BBBJ are standard.
From what it used to be Babylon had the best looking girls, a tad on the younger side (18-21) considering that the men tended to be older (50+). Wiago is a little lower class, but since both are owned by the same people maybe you can try Wiago first, and if you really don't like any of the girls you might talk them into letting you go to Babylon without paying entrance again, but that is no promise!
Bernd's is the granddaddy of all clubs, and has the highest service level. I find there to be a lot of older and chubbier girls, but generally it is good. The pricing now is 70€ entrance and each session is 50€. But take avantage of the CIM here to make it a good deal. They also have one of the best buffet's around. But they are closed on the weekends!
These clubs (especially Babylon and Bernd's) are not reachable with public transit, so you better rent a car. I would recommend Bernd's as top of those 3, then Babylon.
Peter
Peter,
Thanks for your recommendations. Yes, I am planning to rent a car. BTW, what about PHG. I hear it may be difficult to find. Is it worth the hassle?
Also, what do you recommend for overnight stay in Cologne area?
Hessen Bub
09-03-04, 07:06
I've also posted this as an answer to your report in the Palace-section.
It is not uncommon for girls to hit the clock when starting a blow job even outside the room. I have not yet made this experience but some girls do it on a regular basis, no matter if you are speaking German, English or Turkish.
Hessen Bub
CBGBConnisur
09-03-04, 12:22
Actually you can take a train to Bergheim and then take a cab to Babylon, it should cost about 20-25 EU each way.
Halo Boys,
I will be spending some days and nights (9/16-9/21) in Frankfurt/Oedt/Giessen to hit PHG, Goldentime, World, Palace, etc.
Anyone in town those days and want to meet just let me know.
Looking forward to visiting in some "temperate" weather conditions. 110 in Phoenix for the last 90 days has me a tad
"burnt".
Regards,
Carnal1
Hello all. Hope your hobbying has been keeping you busy the past few weeks. *smile*
I will be in Frankfurt from the 8th until the 12th of October, and I am planning to visit (all or at least two of) the following FKK clubs:
1) FKK Palace Frankfurt
2) FKK Oase Burgholzhausen
3) FKK World
I would rather not deal with the hassle of searching endlessly for the obscure locations of these FKKs as a first-time driver in Germany, so I want to take taxis to go to these clubs. FKK Palace Frankfurt shouldn't be a problem as it is a 10 minute cab ride away, but I was wondering how far FKK Oase and FKK World was from the HauptBahnhof in Frankfurt, how long the cab ride is, and how much it will cost (Hopefully, no rip-offs! Would asking the hotel to call a cab be a good idea? I will be staying in one of those cheap motels in the RLD district, right behind the Hauptbahnhof.). I hope these 'newbie' style questions do not irritate you too much.
Warm regards,
Bruce
Okay, I must apologize for not doing a more thorough search of these boards. The prospect of sifting through 20+ pages of post is a bit daunting, and I fully blame myself.
Anyway I've now found a way to get to FKK World using the Bahn, per shiatsu's advice on page 18 of this thread. The only problem is, in the case of getting to and from FKK World the last train leaves Pohlheim at around 7-8 PM - but naturally, I want to stick around late into the night, when the action will get hot. What is a horny toad like me to do?
Are there any alternative and CHEAP motels/pensions that I can stay in for one night at Pohlheim (I will be based in Frankfurt for the larger duration of my trip...)? If there are, does anyone have addresses/contact info/prices? I would be much indebted to you.
Thank you,
Bruce.
Traveling Male
09-05-04, 12:26
Hello all,
Mongering in groups is always more fun than alone, I´m here in Frankfurt until the 12th of September, any one wants to hook up for a drink followed by some holy quest? PM me.
TM
Stinky Pete
09-05-04, 16:22
Bruce,
There is no need to take the taxi all the way to Oase or World. A taxi all the way to World from Frankfurt makes not sense as it would simply cost too much. It seems to me you have yet lots of time to make plans, so consider the options below. If you have further questions, I'm glad to try to answer them.
Looks like you will be arriving the 8th and departing the 12th. That's not much time to check out three FKK's by taxi or train plus taxi, but it's doable.
I recommend taking the time to figure out how to use the local and regional trains if you don't already know. It's not hard at all. Much of what I write about below will fall into place for you if you stand in the Frankfurt main station and look around at the signage, the ticket machines and the posted schedules.
Oase: From Frankfurt main station, take the train (S6 I think, or it could be S5) all the way to Friedrichsdorf. There you can get a taxi the rest of the way to Oase. Check the time table at the train station at Friedrichsdorf to see when the last train back to Frankfurt is. I don't think it runs past 10 pm so if you intend to stay later than that at Oase then, yes, you'd need a taxi to get back to Frankfurt. One option that may be easier for you is to stay in a hotel in the Friedrichsdorf area so you'd just need a taxi from Oase to your local hotel, no matter how late you stay at Oase. Here's one I have stayed at: Pension Wall (or Haus Wall), which is 23-36 Euro per person per night. Phone number +49(0)6007/1285. The person answering may not speak English, but will likely hand you off to someone who does. You can find a listing for this hotel and other hotels in the area of Friedrichsdorf on the internet.
World: There is a regional express train that leaves for Giessen from the Frankfurt main station, I think every hour during the day. To get the ticket for the regional express trains you have to go into the (DB) train station office in the main station. Cost is about 14 Euro. Or you could take the self-service ticket machines to get ticketed for a train to Friedberg (train S5 or S6), change trains to get to Giessen. (The ticket machines can give English language instructions at the push of a button. You just have to get the code for Giessen to type in, and the codes are listed on a chart on the machine). At the Giessen station you can catch a taxi to World (I've been charged anywhere from 17-19 Euro, one way). I recommend a hotel in the Giessen area as well. I have stayed at the Parkhotel (35 Euro per night) which is just across the tracks (over a bridge) once you exit the station at Giessen. In the vicinity you will be near taxis and internet access.
One possibility is to have your hotel in Frankfurt only on the evenings you plan to go to Palace. Even the night before a plane departure from Frankfurt, it's easy to catch a train into Frankfurt from either Friedrichsdorf or Giessen with plenty of time to get ticketed, get through security, etc. (It's easier if your plane departs late-morning. If it departs early morning, then a hotel in Frankfurt the night before is the way to go).
If I were to drive from from the train station to Oase, it would take about about 20-30 minutes (depends on traffic). From the train station to World it would take much longer. Maybe 40-50 minutes. Both these really depend on the time of the day as traffic can really back up on the A5 around 5pm.
There is always a huge line of taxi's in front of the train station at all hours. No need to ask your hotel. Just walk to the front entrance and you can't miss them.
I'm sorry that I don't know the exact price of the taxi's. It might be a little around 50 euros to Oase. And 80 euros to World.
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