General Info

[Big30]

Do they have a swimming pool, I didn't see one, I saw they have a jacuzzi.

Is there any other place nearby that has some type of unique atmosphere, etc. to heighten the experience?

No GT does not have and will not have a swimming pool. For outside sessions in NRW, yes GT is the place to be.

Swimming pool in NRW you can find in: PHG, VV, Acapulco, Dv, PSR, VM. Every club has its own unique atmosphere.

Currently I think in NRW only 4 Clubs are worth visiting for a first time visitor: GT, PHG, LR and VV.

Actually all those Clubs are not FKK's but saunaclubs.

[Angus Magee]

Hey, I am using Google Translate pretty heavily and I keep seeing the term "Body Insemination" returned as one of the services provided by many girls. Certainly this does not mean the same as AO, which would be more my literal interpretation of the English translation.

Does this just mean vaginal penetration and climax, with condom?


Body Insemination is what is translated from Körperbesamung and means (as far as I know) cum on body. This usually means that you cum somewhere, often the breasts, on the body. But I think it can mean anywhere on the body (except of course directly on the pussy) subject to the approval of the girl.

AO is quite a different thing. It means "Alles Ohne" and refers to BBFS-Bare Back Full Service.

[Bacon Sandwich]

Swimming pool in NRW you can find in: PHG, VV, Acapulco, Dv, PSR, VM. Every club has its own unique atmosphere.

Currently I think in NRW only 4 Clubs are worth visiting for a first time visitor: GT, PHG, LR and VV.



Actually, I think you have to add Yin Yang to this list. I realize it is outside of NRW, although just barely (While in fact it is in Holland, it is only 20 minutes drive from Goldentime). IMHO, its facilities are the best of any of the clubs in the area, with a huge outdoor pool, a small indoor pool, two saunas, and massive grounds. The level of girls is probably one notch below GT, however in my experience the level of service is one notch higher. In fact, I have seen quite a few GT girls there lately. I have a hunch many of them rotate among the clubs, just like we do.

Plus everyone speaks English well, in case this is a concern.

[Travelerb69]

When it comes to the girlies, I love them all but I have a special propensity for a nice, firm C/D cup girl and all natural, no implants.

Unfortunately, I live in sunny California, the home of more than one silicon valley. Theres nothing worse to my sense of aesthetics than girls with perfectly round, hard orbs attached to their chests! What I really like is a girl with tits (and overall shape) like this lovely creature, with a nice natural droop.

So here is my question, how predominant is the use of implants in the larger busted SW population in these clubs? Are the German and EE girls in this club more "naturally gifted"? I sure hope so!!

I know this might be kind of a silly question, but I think my perspective might be warped from "living in LA".


You will find plenty of girls with natural big boobs, as well as silicone ones. Hard to say the proportion of each group, depends on day and club. I doubt you will not be satisfied at the german clubs regarding this fetiche, european women tend to suit more this profile than southamerican or asian, for instance.As you probably know, at the real FKKS girls are fully naked, so chances of being deceived by bras are slimmer.

[Persian Fellow]

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me which one is better?
Zeus or De Javu
www.fkk-zeus.de or www.saunaclub-dejavu.de

Thanks in advance,
Fellow

[Andypandara]

As you probably know, at the real FKKS girls are fully naked, so chances of being deceived by bras are slimmer.Well, I haven't yet seen it myself, but I am looking forward to it and to making my own careful statistical analysis, at least in my head. Not to mention testing the waters.

Which do you consider the "real FKKS"?

[Travelerb69]

Well, I haven't yet seen it myself, but I am looking forward to it and to making my own careful statistical analysis, at least in my head. Not to mention testing the waters.

Which do you consider the "real FKKS"?

The ones which dressing code is naked for girls and towel for men, like Oase, World, Bernds. Others like Golden Time, VV, Living Room, PHG are Sauna Clubs-dressing code is lingerie for girls, robe for guys.

[Andypandara]

The ones which dressing code is naked for girls and towel for men, like Oase, World, Bernds. Others like Golden Time, VV, Living Room, PHG are Sauna Clubs-dressing code is lingerie for girls, robe for guys.Thanks! That helps to narrow the field a bit. I really appreciate you, and Angus as well, for your responses to my queries.

[Frank Bama]

Do any of the clubs have wireless available, and allow the use of a smartphone?

I might like to do some research during recovery.

[Peterpack]

Hi guys,

I know there is a lot of great info on this forum.

My question is simply, what are the Top 5 cities in Germany for FKKs?

I then plan on stucturing my itinerary around this.

Thanks

[Travelerb69]

Do any of the clubs have wireless available, and allow the use of a smartphone?

I might like to do some research during recovery.

Golden Time, Living Room and Vila Vertigo have wifi signal. You can use note books or smartphones freely. Acapulco advertizes at their website as having one, but during all my visits there they said it was not available at that particular time.

[Henio]

Hi guys,

I know there is a lot of great info on this forum.

My question is simply, what are the Top 5 cities in Germany for FKKs?

I then plan on stucturing my itinerary around this.

Thanks
I would say Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Cologne, Monchengladbach and maybe Stuttgart (instead of adding another NRW city in there) so you get some variety into your travel.

[Richie 22]

I have been reading the reports and have only visited Palace in the past.

I am visiting Frankfurt on business shortly any recommendations. Palace, Oase or Mainhatten.

I am tempted with Oase but have been reading the negative opions on cleanliness. Anyone visited Mainhattten yet

[Iseeu]

I would say Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Cologne, Monchengladbach and maybe Stuttgart (instead of adding another NRW city in there) so you get some variety into your travel.
For FKK's? Maybe for partytreffs. Unless you consider PHG, GT, LR and VV all MG area clubs in which case you should take DUS off the list.

@PeterPack- IMO, only FRA, DUS, and CGN are really destination cities to consider when planning an FKK trip with Stuttgart on a lower tier. Many of the most reported clubs are off of the A3 corridor that runs between them with some others off of the A5 in the FRA area, or in the area between DUS and the border with Holland.

Offerings and options in places like Berlin, Munich and Hamburg pale by comparison to the big 3.

[Capt Dan]

You'll be safe enuf in Oase. ;)

The place is not so bad that you cannot visit, just not as spotlessly clean as some other joints.
All clubs have bad points. Palace has more sharks, World is further from Frankfurt and Oase could be cleaner.

Oase often has the best collection of hookers :)



I have been reading the reports and have only visited Palace in the past.

I am visiting Frankfurt on business shortly any recommendations. Palace, Oase or Mainhatten.

I am tempted with Oase but have been reading the negative opions on cleanliness. Anyone visited Mainhattten yet

[Henio]

For FKK's? Maybe for partytreffs. Unless you consider PHG, GT, LR and VV all MG area clubs in which case you should take DUS off the list.

@PeterPack- IMO, only FRA, DUS, and CGN are really destination cities to consider when planning an FKK trip with Stuttgart on a lower tier. Many of the most reported clubs are off of the A3 corridor that runs between them with some others off of the A5 in the FRA area, or in the area between DUS and the border with Holland.

Offerings and options in places like Berlin, Munich and Hamburg pale by comparison to the big 3.
I figured he wanted to visit 5 cities since he asked for that so I gave him 5 cities. MG for the golden triangle + YY and DUS for the number of smaller FKKs around that area + LR, but you are correct, they are kind of in the one and same area. Stuttgart area does have a good number of nice clubs such as Sakura and Paradise and Flamingo Island is not far away so I think as a 5th city for someone keen on visiting 5 cities it would be a good filler, at least better than most other options.

[Jake Randall]

Oase or World. Which would you recommend?

Travel is not a problem just want a quality experience.

JR

[Basketcase]

Oase or World. Which would you recommend?

Travel is not a problem just want a quality experience.

JR
Jake Randall,

You have broken your FKK cherry with at least FKK Oase and FKK Palace notched up successfully. You need to tick off FKK World to have done the Hessen big three clubs. There is of course closer to home for you FKK Mainhattan near the Main river, FKK Sharks in Darmstadt or Das 5 Element.

Since you are working the normal work week fo Monday to Friday and going the weekend then this is an opportune time to take the day to World. For me World has the best party atmosphere of all the Hessen clubs. DJ Andy cranks the tunes from 20:00 and then you feel you are in a UK night club or Netherlands dance party with naked girls dancing on podiums or on the bar floor and with you. Maybe some guys will be dancing around too with each other.

The food is way good - at least a barbeque since the weather is nice and that is the World set up. There is an indoor pool and a great outdoor pool to sunbath by on nice loungers.

World is a really big club, internal space over two levels is much bigger than Oase or Palace I understand. It is much quieter since it is in the countryside.

Mainhattan may be worth a look since it is new and worth checking out for the talent that may be dragooned to work there. From my experience it is mainly girls from World that have been seconded there with odd ring ins from clubs in Stuttgart area or the odd lost soul from the Nord Rhein Westfalen area.

Sharks is lavish and huge club as well but the reports of its line up is patchy. Once again girls are dragoons from other clubs (not Hessen) or new to the industry. The sheer arsenal of wellness facilities still makes it a good day visit. Food is cooked well and comparable to Palace.

Das 5 Element in Fulda seems from my experiences to be filled with ring ins from FKK World, the odd lost girl from NRW (e.g PHG) and Badem Wurtemberg area and clubs from the north of Hessen since Fulda is in north Hesse. The wellness facilities here are first class and the food cooked to order by an Italian chef as you watch is stupdenous. For my rump steak I got to choose the thickness of the cut and exactly how it was grilled. I had a choice of fries, wedges or boiled new potatoes and side salad made fresh from leaves and a lovely vinegrette dressing. For my squid the cook would prepare a fresh squid tube removing the cartilage and then asking if I wanted rings or slices before he grilled them to perfection. Pizzas are made fresh from dough that is spun when ordered and then you choose your toppings before it goes into the pizza oven. Nice.

There is an excellent outdoor pool with wooden decking all around and nice covered lounges to relax in out of the sun. There is also a heated indoor pool, jacuzzis, dry sauna and wet sauna. The place is fabulous.

There are also some good girls at Das 5 Element and the girls are patient with you too wanting your repeat custom.

So there you go: All quality experiences that can surpass Oase and Palace.

[Wassab]

There are also some good girls at Das 5 Element and the girls are patient with you too wanting your repeat custom.Basket,

Thank you for a synopsis of Das 5.

My FKK tour slowly coming to fruition and your positive feedback of Das 5 is on one hand intriguing but on the other hand add a predicament to my original plan.

I will be arriving in Frankfurt on August 26 and was planning to visit OASE after I checked in my hotel. The next day I was planning to take a train to Gieben and check out World, already booked my lodging for the night after World. After World, I will be flying to Croatia for 4 days normal holidays (LOL) on the beach then back to Frankfurt. On my return to Frankfurt part Deux, I was thinking visiting OASE again and for my last day in FRA to check out the Palace before heading back over the pond. But with intriguing Das 5, I might have to replace the 2nd round of OASE with Das 5. If I live through it then I can proudly say I been to the big 3 and Das 5.

Your thought? And would you be able to share tip on how to get to Das 5 via public transport ie Dbahn.

TIA

[Basketcase]

Basketcase,

Thank you for a synopsis of Das 5.

My FKK tour slowly coming to fruition and your positive feedback of Das 5 is on one hand intriguing but on the other hand add a predicament to my original plan.

I will be arriving in Frankfurt on August 26 and was planning to visit OASE after I checked in my hotel. The next day I was planning to take a train to Gieben and check out World, already booked my lodging for the night after World. After World, I will be flying to Croatia for 4 days normal holidays (LOL) on the beach then back to Frankfurt. On my return to Frankfurt part Deux, I was thinking visiting OASE again and for my last day in FRA to check out the Palace before heading back over the pond. But with intriguing Das 5, I might have to replace the 2nd round of OASE with Das 5. If I live through it then I can proudly say I been to the big 3 and Das 5.

Your thought? And would you be able to share tip on how to get to Das 5 via public transport ie Dbahn.

TIA
Wassab,

There is no predicament. I guess that this trip may be a one off or a trip that is going to be few and far between for you. If this is the case then you want to be going hard and trying as much as possible to get a spread of clubs so you get a feel for what you like and what each club brings to a FKK tour experience. Oase is not what it is always hyped up to be.

I have found what I like now and I am comfortable where I am. Do not let my prejudices sway you. I provide alternatives and let you decide. I try to recommend as best I can and point out that other clubs have much to offer.

Usually travellers from across the Ocean sea or from across the land mass of Asia go to Palace when they are off the plane at FRA airport since Palace is the closest club in town.

Now since 1 July 2010 there is another FKK alternative in FKK Mainhattan that is in Frankfurt city that is run by those efficient people from FKK World. So that is another one you can try that is convenient to get to without needing to train from Frankfurt 65 Km to Giessen or train over 100 Km to Eichenzell, Fulda in north east Hesse.

If you research the Other FKKs thread you will find details on how to get to Das 5 Element or actually look at its website that gives details on where it is and how to get there. Just take a look.

Or try putting in the travel details into the die bahn website and it will give you the train times.

Croatia is lovely. The women are beautiful. Hopefully they will be scantily clad and willing to take up with a visitor from across the pond. The beaches are idyllic.

TIA? Tits in Ass back at you too. So there.

[Vitrea]

I have two days in FRA. I have been to Palace, Oase, World, GT and Artemis before (and reported). I would like to try Mainhattan and based on Basketcase and Creature's reports; I would like to try Das 5 Element. Hessen Bub recently reported that Mondays at 5E are 2 for 1. I am by myself so I probably won't get the discount. Given that savings are not possible, should I go there on Sunday and expect the place to have better male to female ratio? Or is Monday still a better day to go there because more quality girls are working because of the special?

I know it is quite new so there may not be enough information but can anyone think of a reason I should go to Mainhattan on Sunday vs Monday?

Any thoughts are appreciated.

[Wassab]

Croatia is lovely. The women are beautiful. Hopefully they will be scantily clad and willing to take up with a visitor from across the pond. The beaches are idyllic.

TIA? Tits in Ass back at you too. So there.Bc,

Yes, I am one of those NAs that envy the EU members for having the luxury to hop a train or take of the discount flyers to indulge in one of my favourites hobby.

Since I am not familiar with the German's road or driving style I decided to take the risk of driving out of the equation and opt for train and hotel to facilitate my FKK tour. Already booked my lodging for Gieben and Frankfurt so everything is a go.

Croatia is lovely indeed and that is why I keep finding myself returning to the Adriatic coast every Summer.

I would like to contribute to the board and wondering if at any of these FKKs will there any Wifi availability? Can I use my Blackberry to take note and update the board live?

TIA thanks in Advance but I like Tits in Ass as well.

[Hessen Bub]

Go to 5E on Monday. Wait for a friend outside, somebody will show up. And the girls told me Monday is a good day due to the special, more girls, more men.

HB

[Angeleyes]

I'm going to be in Frankfurt this Wed/Thur for the first time and at the moment I'm torn between Palace or Oase for the loss of my FKK "cherry" as it were. Which of these clubs is preferable this time of year? The most important factor to me is an impressive lineup of beautiful young women.

[Angeleyes]

Also, I've been reading that this time of year is especially bad to visit FKKs in Germany- is it so bad that I shouldn't bother? Or just bad relative to other times of the year and still a worthwhile experience for someone who's never been?

[Breadman]

Go to 5E on Monday. Wait for a friend outside, somebody will show up. And the girls told me Monday is a good day due to the special, more girls, more men.

HB

So what's the rate on monday then? Ive read reports of 40 euro's being offered to some guys, is it 20 euro's each or half their normal entry?

[Angus Magee]

The August candidate for Mongers I Admire is the one and only Basketcase. You can read about him (no personal details please) here:

http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=181

Thanks BC

[Jake Randall]

Jake Randall,

You have broken your FKK cherry with at least FKK Oase and FKK Palace notched up successfully. You need to tick off FKK World to have done the Hessen big three clubs. There is of course closer to home for you FKK Mainhattan near the Main river, FKK Sharks in Darmstadt or Das 5 Element.

Since you are working the normal work week fo Monday to Friday and going the weekend then this is an opportune time to take the day to World. For me World has the best party atmosphere of all the Hessen clubs. DJ Andy cranks the tunes from 20:00 and then you feel you are in a UK night club or Netherlands dance party with naked girls dancing on podiums or on the bar floor and with you. Maybe some guys will be dancing around too with each other.

The food is way good - at least a barbeque since the weather is nice and that is the World set up. There is an indoor pool and a great outdoor pool to sunbath by on nice loungers.

World is a really big club, internal space over two levels is much bigger than Oase or Palace I understand. It is much quieter since it is in the countryside.

Mainhattan may be worth a look since it is new and worth checking out for the talent that may be dragooned to work there. From my experience it is mainly girls from World that have been seconded there with odd ring ins from clubs in Stuttgart area or the odd lost soul from the Nord Rhein Westfalen area.

Sharks is lavish and huge club as well but the reports of its line up is patchy. Once again girls are dragoons from other clubs (not Hessen) or new to the industry. The sheer arsenal of wellness facilities still makes it a good day visit. Food is cooked well and comparable to Palace.

Das 5 Element in Fulda seems from my experiences to be filled with ring ins from FKK World, the odd lost girl from NRW (e.g PHG) and Badem Wurtemberg area and clubs from the north of Hessen since Fulda is in north Hesse. The wellness facilities here are first class and the food cooked to order by an Italian chef as you watch is stupdenous. For my rump steak I got to choose the thickness of the cut and exactly how it was grilled. I had a choice of fries, wedges or boiled new potatoes and side salad made fresh from leaves and a lovely vinegrette dressing. For my squid the cook would prepare a fresh squid tube removing the cartilage and then asking if I wanted rings or slices before he grilled them to perfection. Pizzas are made fresh from dough that is spun when ordered and then you choose your toppings before it goes into the pizza oven. Nice.

There is an excellent outdoor pool with wooden decking all around and nice covered lounges to relax in out of the sun. There is also a heated indoor pool, jacuzzis, dry sauna and wet sauna. The place is fabulous.

There are also some good girls at Das 5 Element and the girls are patient with you too wanting your repeat custom.

So there you go: All quality experiences that can surpass Oase and Palace.Well BC I'm glad I took your advice and went to World because it was the best of the 3. I will definitely be going back either the next weekend or the weekend after(would have definitely gone next weekend but since you recommend Das 5 Element I will go there next Saturday and check it out).

I will put in a full report later this week but in the meantime I wanted to know if any of the posters here have session-ed with a girl named Jasmine and one named Maria.

Jasmine is a about 5'6 wearing heels, from Romania but has been living in England for the past 5 years, started working at World about 7 months ago, petite, has brown hair, nice big natural breasts with very nice nipples, wears a pair of black rimmed glasses sometimes, speaks only English and Romanian and hangs around with Isabelle and Maria a lot.

Maria said that she's been at World only for a week and will be going back to England this Monday. She's very tall, from Romania but lives in England (She told me that Jasmine and her worked together in the same strip club in England(Birmingham) which is why they are such good friends), has the perfect set of natural tits, long black hair, great curvy figure and seems very picky as to who she sessions with.

I am extremely curious as too how your sessions with these two girls were. I doubt many posters on here may have been with Maria because she's been there only for a week but Jasmine has been working there for 7 months yet I could not find any reports on her in the World thread. I'm guessing she decided to change her name, so if some of the regulars could let me know if they have been with a girl that matches her description but used to go by a different name and how the session with her was I'd be extremely grateful.

Thanks,

JR

[Hessen Bub]

So what's the rate on monday then? Ive read reports of 40 euro's being offered to some guys, is it 20 euro's each or half their normal entry?

30 EUR each, half the normal entry - 60 EUR for two.

HB

[Basketcase]

The August candidate for Mongers I Admire is the one and only Basketcase. You can read about him (no personal details please) here:

http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=181

Thanks BC
Hi Angus Magee,

I am very touch by you thinking of me and writing me up in your "Mongers I Admire" section. What an accolade!

I am grateful that all my hard work in contributing to this forum is welcomed and used by people. That is what it is for and I encourage others to do the same.

I do feel a bit guilty being behind in my reports. I have a huge backlog of them to publish. Scores and scores of them filed away. Please excuse me not posting them. There have been causes of late as you can appreciate that stopped me.

The crib notes are all there reminding me what I saw and did and who was there. Memories for my future when I can no longer do this hobby. An aid for living the illicit life when I cannot sneak off to Germany whenever I please.

It does makes me a bit worried sometimes when I am in a FKK locker room and I see guys with my trip reports printed out being consulted for tips and girls to watch out for. I just slip away and hide with the Romanian girls or book a favourite for the room for a couple of hours. Before you ask, yes it is a costly hiding place but I can think of no better place to be than being in between the creamy thighs of one of my best girls with my erect penis in her enjoying her pleasure.

I do take your point from your write up about me that my reports are generally a factual narrative with listings and less about my inner feelings and thoughts. In the end it is these feelings that make us come back and not the I did this and I did that or I saw such and such. True. Thank you for the feed back.

Once again, thank you for selecting me as the "Monger I Admire". It has been a tough year so far.

[Basketcase]

Well BC I'm glad I took your advice and went to World because it was the best of the 3. I will definitely be going back either the next weekend or the weekend after(would have definitely gone next weekend but since you recommend Das 5 Element I will go there next Saturday and check it out).

I will put in a full report later this week but in the meantime I wanted to know if any of the posters here have session-ed with a girl named Jasmine and one named Maria.
Jake Randall,

I am glad that my advice has steered you in the right direction. My experience gathered from a lot of tough club campaigning and dedication to the hobby must at times hit the nail on the head. I also took into account your reports and the girls that you were going for.

World girls can be a lot of fun. There has been many a time where I have spent hours with the Romanian and Bulgarian girls just hanging out with them enjoying each others company.

Then there are the German "fuckers" who think it hilarious that they see me wherever they go too. We just nod our heads in acknowledgment of a fellow fucker and share a few words on the line up and move on.

Das 5 Element is a good relaxation club more than a fuck club so take that theme with you when you go. If you can find one or two good girls to your liking there then it is the best club in the world I think. Same with Park Sauna Residenz.

I believe I met your coterie of girls at World during my recent tour of duty. Friendly bunch and I think we connected. I was in dog house at the time and in self exile.

[Angus Magee]

....clear out some message in your in box. I tried to send a PM and was told that you can not receive until some are cleared.

Angus

[Nille Copenhagen]

Hi Angus Magee,

I am very touch by you thinking of me and writing me up in your "Mongers I Admire" section. What an accolade!

I am grateful that all my hard work in contributing to this forum is welcomed and used by people. That is what it is for and I encourage others to do the same.

I do feel a bit guilty being behind in my reports. I have a huge backlog of them to publish. Scores and scores of them filed away. Please excuse me not posting them. There have been causes of late as you can appreciate that stopped me.

The crib notes are all there reminding me what I saw and did and who was there. Memories for my future when I can no longer do this hobby. An aid for living the illicit life when I cannot sneak off to Germany whenever I please.

It does makes me a bit worried sometimes when I am in a FKK locker room and I see guys with my trip reports printed out being consulted for tips and girls to watch out for. I just slip away and hide with the Romanian girls or book a favourite for the room for a couple of hours. Before you ask, yes it is a costly hiding place but I can think of no better place to be than being in between the creamy thighs of one of my best girls with my erect penis in her enjoying her pleasure.

I do take your point from your write up about me that my reports are generally a factual narrative with listings and less about my inner feelings and thoughts. In the end it is these feelings that make us come back and not the I did this and I did that or I saw such and such. True. Thank you for the feed back.

Once again, thank you for selecting me as the "Monger I Admire". It has been a tough year so far.Dear Angus Magee and Basketcase,

You are the Mongers that I admire most. You both have contributed a lot to my FKK knowledge and enchanced my FKK experience. I haven't been much at the Berlin scene, I've normally have more focus on NRW and Hessen area.

I'm also very impressed by the long line-up listed by Basketcase.

How do you remember all the girls name and their stories?

Now I'm trying to note down the names and pref. of the girls I been with in an Excel sheet when I get back to my hotel. But still some girls name slip away once and a while :) It so embarrassing to walk up to a girl you just had sex with the day before and the next day asking her name again.

Nille

[Jake Randall]

Jake Randall,

Das 5 Element is a good relaxation club more than a fuck club so take that theme with you when you go. If you can find one or two good girls to your liking there then it is the best club in the world I think. Same with Park Sauna Residenz.

I believe I met your coterie of girls at World during my recent tour of duty. Friendly bunch and I think we connected. I was in dog house at the time and in self exile.I'll keep that in mind when I go there. Which girls would you recommend? Also, will you be visiting World or 5E in the upcoming weeks? It would be nice to meet an experienced campaigner like yourself to gain more of an insight into the FKK life.

Finally can you give me some more detail on your sessions with the girls. I had a really good time interacting with them when we were on the couches. Remember spending all my time between sessions chatting with the two of them and it was really pleasant company but when I went and session-ed with Jasmine I was pretty disappointed because she wasn't as good as I though she would be. I wanted to know if this was just a classic case of YMMV or if shes not that good. I mean its not like she was bad in the room but more the fact that she barely made any noise.

[Jake Randall]

Now that I have been to all the 'big three' I though I'd do a report comparing the various important features of each club.

*Travel: Palace is the easiest to get too amongst the three because its located in the city. A cab from Frankfurt Main (Hbf) costs about 12-14 euros. Oase and World are a little harder to get too. You can get to Oase by both cab(40-44 euros from the HBF station. One way) or take a train-cab combo(about 20 euros total each way). If you do take this route it would be wise to take the numbers of some taxi services in the area with you because there are no taxis anywhere near the station(I found out the hard way). World can only be reached by the train- taxi combo. It costs about 18 euro to get to World from the main station at Giessen and the train from Frankfurt costs around 13-15 euros.

1) Palace 2) Oase 3) World

*Reception and Lockers: Palace and World both have very good locker rooms. Palace even has a safe inside there lockers for all the cautious people out there. The locker room at Oase are very bad. The fact that its in the basement and not very clean doesn't help. The lady that works at the reception at Palace and the one that works at World are very nice and explain everything clearly in good English. I found the one at Oase to be pretty bad and not very helpful. Palace charges an entry fee of 75 euros while the other two charge 65.

1) Palace & World 3) Oase

*Cleanliness and Hygiene: Palace tops Oase and World by a mile when it comes to cleanliness. The rack to fresh towels is easily accessible and the showers and toilets are extremely clean. World comes in at second. The showers at World are very good too but the problem here is that the rooms are very dirty and there are loads of flies all over the main bar area. Oase comes in at third only because the showers and the lockers rooms are extremely dirty and I don't think they do a very good job cleaning the sandals.

1) Palace 2) Oase 3) World

*Rooms: Palace wins this about again. The rooms at Palace are nice, spacious and clean. They use a new sheet for every customer(have a whole stack of sheets in the corner which they put over the main sheet). The original sheet also appears to be very clean and almost every room is surrounded by mirrors on the inside. Oase comes in second this time. Most of the rooms are smaller than the ones at Palace and it can get very hot in there during summer. The part I didn't like here was the need to spread the towel on the bed for each session. This doesn't give you much freedom to move around as the towels are pretty small and most of the sheets on the beds don't look to inviting. World comes in last here because the rooms are extremely crappy(barring the room next to the Moulin Rouge room). Towels are used here once again as a barrier and the original sheets have all sorts of stains on them. The nice part here though is the fact that they have fans in every room which really helps during the hot days or during that extra steamy session.

1) Palace 2) Oase 3) World

*Food: As per my experience on the weekends I would have to say the food at World is the best. They keep bringing out new warm dishes till late in the night. The outdoor barbecue is very nice too. With nothing much to choose between the two I would say Palace just about edges into second with Oase finishing last.

1) World 2) Palace 3) Oase

*Wellness: All the three clubs offer you the basic jacuzzi, sauna, massage parlors, solarium's and kino's. Oase has an outdoor swimming pool, World has two, an outdoor as well as an indoor pool and Palace has none(located in the city so that's understandable). The whirlpool at Oase was the best amongst the three. Palace comes in at second with World at the end. The Jacuzzi at World in fact was dismal. It was very small and had a very bad smell to it. The sauna at Palace was the best. World had a pretty good one too. I didn't use it when I was in Oase so not going to comment on it. The kino's at Palace and World are meant for fucking(full of beds) but the one at Oase(couches with two beds upfront) is usually just used to get the guy going and then you head to the room. Not that I think anyone really cares but in the little time I spent in there I found the quality of porn was really bad at all three.

1) Oase 2) World & Palace

*Main area and Entertainment: I would have to say World is the best when it comes to the main area. Its circular and most of the girls hang out there so its not hard to spot the one you want and approach her. The music at World is the best too and its a party atmosphere. Palace has a very good atmosphere too and the Saturday night I was there they had some Belly dancers come and give a performance(now I don't know if this is a weekly occurrence or just a one off). Oase has the worst atmosphere amongst the three mainly because most of the people hang out by the pool or in the kino or at the whirlpool.

1) World 2) Palace 3) Oase

*Bar: Palace has the best service with Oase in at second and World last. But World has free beer so I'll leave it at that. I don't like the cheap plastic glasses they use at World though but maybe I'm too picky.

1) World(free beer!) 2) Oase 3) Palace

*Girls: Ahh finally, the most important criteria. Some of the best looking girls can be found at Palace. Oase from what I've gathered used to have a stunning lineup up lately it hasn't been that good. World has many quality girl's too. Even though the girls at Palace were extremely good looking I would prefer the girls to Oase and World any day of the year. At Oase most of the girls are very nice and give a good GFE with loads of DFK, DATY etc. At World too most of the girls are very nice and give a good GFE, the fact that many of them look spectacular also helps. At Palace they are the worst. All the girls try to upsell or say you took more than 30 min(even if its only been 20) and are always in a rush.

1) World 2) Oase and a distant 3) Palace.

In conclusion taking all the things I find important in a club I would rate them as follows 1) World 2) Oase and 3) Palace. Oase and World are very close but World edges it because of the atmosphere and the quality of the girls.

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[Angeleyes]

Forgive me if this is a stupid question that's been answered ad nauseum elsewhere, but I was wondering if there was a general rule around at what point a session officially begins in terms of time and in terms of the point beyond which she can ask you for money. Is it after the first kiss? First touch? Or not until you both officially agree that there will be a session and/or head to a room? I'd hate to go in there and engage in what I perceive innocent touching/flirting and find that I had inadvertently committed to something.

Cheers, and thanks for all your patience LOL

[Vito Corleone]

I'm going to be in Frankfurt this Wed/Thur for the first time and at the moment I'm torn between Palace or Oase for the loss of my FKK "cherry" as it were. Which of these clubs is preferable this time of year? The most important factor to me is an impressive lineup of beautiful young women.Palace had much more pretty young ladies compared to Oase last week. Oase was pretty dead. Take your time & try not to let the sharks take advantage of you @ Palace. If they ask you if this is your first time, tell them NO!

[Jake Randall]

Palace had much more pretty young ladies compared to Oase last week. Oase was pretty dead. Take your time & try not to let the sharks take advantage of you @ Palace. If they ask you if this is your first time, tell them NO!Haha yeah never mention that it's your first time there. They will try to eat you alive if you do. Also try to give the impression that you will be staying in Frankfurt for a long time and then the girls will try harder to please you because they would want to to keep coming back to them.

[Angeleyes]

This is turning out to be a harder decision than I thought. At first it seemed like Oase was the clear winner however I've read a few reports lately that tout World as the dark horse winner of the big 3 lately. Unfortunately I am only in Frankfurt for 2 days and as such will have to limit my visits to at most 2 of Palace, Oase and World. Right now I'm leaning towards checking out either World or Palace tomorrow and then another the day after that. LOL hmmm. Perhaps due to some sort of character flaw (LOL) the only thing that REALLY matters to me for this brief visit is quality of the lineup and from what I gather World and Palace seem to be winning that particular contest lately. If anyone could refute or suppor this deduction of mine I'd love to hear about it.

[Satiated]

Hi,

This is my first post here since I am considering a trip to NRW this autumn. I've been planning to arrive on Friday and go to an FKK in the evening, then probably try a Pauschalclub on Saturday. Can anyone advise me if these days are as good as a weekday for quality of service?

I'm thinking of Villa Vertigo (which I hear is good on a Fri/Sat) and Pauschalclub Bochum by the way.

[Jake Randall]

This is turning out to be a harder decision than I thought. At first it seemed like Oase was the clear winner however I've read a few reports lately that tout World as the dark horse winner of the big 3 lately. Unfortunately I am only in Frankfurt for 2 days and as such will have to limit my visits to at most 2 of Palace, Oase and World. Right now I'm leaning towards checking out either World or Palace tomorrow and then another the day after that. LOL hmmm. Perhaps due to some sort of character flaw (LOL) the only thing that REALLY matters to me for this brief visit is quality of the lineup and from what I gather World and Palace seem to be winning that particular contest lately. If anyone could refute or suppor this deduction of mine I'd love to hear about it.Among the three you definitely have to visit World. For the other one I would recommend Oase.

If good looking girls are extremely important to you though then go to Palace but I must add that almost all the girls there are sharks and lots of the sessions I had there were a big disappointment.

[Regnad]

This is turning out to be a harder decision than I thought. At first it seemed like Oase was the clear winner however I've read a few reports lately that tout World as the dark horse winner of the big 3 lately. Unfortunately I am only in Frankfurt for 2 days and as such will have to limit my visits to at most 2 of Palace, Oase and World. Right now I'm leaning towards checking out either World or Palace tomorrow and then another the day after that. LOL hmmm. Perhaps due to some sort of character flaw (LOL) the only thing that REALLY matters to me for this brief visit is quality of the lineup and from what I gather World and Palace seem to be winning that particular contest lately. If anyone could refute or suppor this deduction of mine I'd love to hear about it.
This question comes up over and over and, frankly, there is no answer. The quality of the lineups vary vastly according to taste and from day to day and week to week. I've been to both World and Oase numerous times and have never had the slightest bit of trouble finding companions with whom to have fun and lots of it.

The only thing that seems to be almost universally agreed on is that it can be quite difficult to get quality service at Palace. I've been there but once and Ambrose Bierce's definition applies: once, adv., enough.

[Breadman]

Right now I'm leaning towards checking out either World or Palace tomorrow and then another the day after that. LOL hmmm.

I've been lurking around here for a while to get some info and figure out where the best place would be for me to spend time.

So your travel days are wednesday and thursday...

Don't know what's worse...traveling all the way to Frankfurt and passing up Oase completely. Or flying all the way to Frankfurt, doing Palace on wednesday (dessous day)...and then realizing you should do Oase and the only day left on your schedule is Thursday (their dessous day). Oh, do you know what I mean by 'dessous'?

Now if I had a wednesday~thursday trip id HAVE to do Oase on wednesday and World on Thursday to soak in the hot chicks walking around but naked AND to avoid the sharks at Palace completely. Irony is Palace holding a costume party and all the girls showing up with a large fin attached to their back. Fitting.

So you've been lurking for awhile and decide days before your trip to ask questions? Your timing needs some work.

[Angeleyes]

So you've been lurking for awhile and decide days before your trip to ask questions? Your timing needs some work.Perhaps, however I seem to be getting good answers at the right time

So here I am in Frankfurt on the first of my two evenings here. I wasn't able to sleep on the plane over so essentially by the time I got to my hotel at 3pm I hadn't slept in over 24 hours. In order to avoid jet lag on the remainder of my trip once I leave Frankfurt I decided to just stay up and make a day of it. That being said, in the mindset I was in in the afternoon, given this is my first time here, that I don't speak German, that my tired brain was having difficulty working out the train schedules, I decided to just go with the place that was easiest to get to- so I went to Palace.

I got there about 5 pm with the only hitch being that I got on the wrong train at the airport (in spite of the fact that 3 people assured me it was the right one LOL) and wound up wasting about 1/2 an hour backtracking. Once I got to the Frankfurt Central station finding a cab was easy and not too expensive at about 10 Euros. I paid the fee and went in and got changed. My initial reaction was that I was somewhat overwhelmed with the whole thing- the place is somewhat dark and there were beautiful semi-clothed/naked women everywhere. Talk about paradise. I had promised myself upon entering that I would try not to let on that this was my first experience with such places and that I wouldn't bang the first hot girl that propositioned me. I succeeded somewhat on the former but failed utterly on the latter. I hadn't sat down for more than a minute when a young Egyptian sweety named Georgina (I think) sat down beside me and basically did everything she could to get me, erm, excited. On the flipside I there was an immediate chemistry and I wanted her badly after about a minute. Before we headed to the room I asked "how much" and she told me that it was 50E for BBBJ and sex but GFE and other stuff was extra. I opted for $50 hour GFE with a cim finish. At first she tried to upsell me to a 300E 1 hour extravaganza but I told her no. She got a little persistent and I eventually just insisted that I wasn't going to change my mind. After that she dropped and our mutual chemistry made for a very enjoyable session- lots of dfk, DATY, curling and cuddling. Now, I know some of the regulars here don't like how the girls there tend to ignore the house policy and insist on 100E as the base rate for a GFE. As for me, given that I'm new at this FKK business, and given that 1/2 an hour with a girl that hot with a cim finish isn't that out of touch with the rest of the world, I didn't let it get to me that much.

Following my session with Georgina, my jet lag started to kick in a bit and I enjoyed the sauna, steam room and later the couches for a bit of a nap. I was approached by a few women in this time, and pretty much all the others made eye contact with me at least once, but I was dead to the world and waiting for 7:30 supper to recharge. At about 7 this hot young blonde from Bulgaria (I don't even think I got her name LOL) sat next to me and basically overcame my defenses and talked me into killing the last half hour before supper with some sweaty sexy fun with her. She accepted the 50E half hour for GFE but when I tried to go down on her she told me it was 50E extra. Since our chemistry also was quite good, and since I really really really wanted to I gave in. So shoot me LOL.

At about 7:30 I went into the buffet room and was stoked at how good the food was. Like, it was really really good. I was told by one of the girls that the food at Oase was like "prison food" I ruminated at how unfortunate that was because, though I wouldn't have suspected as much going in, I was surprised at how much the quality of the food added to my overall enjoyment of the day. Eating dinner was fun too- everyone was in the buffet room, and since the lighting is a lot better in there it gave me a good chance to get a better view of some of the women. The fact that a lot of them were topless made the whole process more enjoyable.

After dinner I decided that I would have a brief rest to let my food digest a bit and select another companion. Shortly after I was approached by a couple girls, neither of whom I was that interested in and I politely told them that I wasn't interested at the moment. This provoked my only real negative experience of the day- the girls wouldn't let up. I said no and they wanted to know why and got somewhat pushy and it took a while for them to get the hint. I didn't really like that as it made me a little uncomfortable. Anyway, shortly after that, Georgina, who had been following me around a little since our encounter sat next to me and insisted that we have sex again- I tried to resist but ultimately couldn't as we have a definite chemistry and it was all I could to not to take here right there in front of the electric slot machines. We ended up in a room only this time she gave me 1 hour GFE with cim finish for 150E, which I think is more in line with how things are supposed to go. She also asked me to marry her LOL.

On a whole I really enjoyed my time there, the establishment was clean and very well laid out, the women were beautiful and friendly and truth be told there were about 6 or 7 of them that I desperately wanted to pounce on. That said given that I'm only here for a couple days I simply have to check out another of the clubs and I think it's going to be World.

[Dr Clitorius]

A question to the master´s FKK Forum (BH, BC, AM)... It seems to be an interesting little club... (polish girls, parties with 10 porn stars actresses, etc)

Thanks!

DC

[Hessen Bub]

Mambo - same owner and concept as Royal. Reports are mostly negative.

HB

[Dr Clitorius]

Mambo - same owner and concept as Royal. Reports are mostly negative.

HBOk HB! I always listen the masters, I´ll only be visiting the 3 big (may be Meinhattan too). I´ll try to write some reports as a newbie.

Thanks!

[Ladiesfan]

I'm visiting NRW region again in the middle of August. I have been in Golden Time, Team Tabulos, Bernds Schieferhof, La Luna and Sauna Grimberg before but now I'm looking for new places to visit. I will be having a rental car offcourse so it's no problem for me to make a wider destination. Which places would you suggest me to visit next trip. (I like BB action as well but I didn't find the lineup in La Luna that tempting to be honest). Team Tabulos was fun to visit but there were to few women there to choose from and I really don't like to see a bunch of men banging my potential dates bareback infront of my eyes hahaha.

Golden Time was nice but perhaps a little too big club for my taste. Very pretty girls however but the atmosphere-feeling was like I was sitting in my robe at an airportlounge.

Bernd's was really nice. I liked it a lot! Cosy, intimite atmosphere with very charming and sensual women working there. But I couldn't find the courage to ask anyone there if the BB-extra was possible. Pardon my insolence. Is it considered rude to ask the girls about it? I thought so at the time so I didn't.

Please feel free to give me some advice and suggestions about places you think I would might like to visit my next trip in middle of August.

Best regards,

Ladiesfan

[Ibn Buttita]

Hi,
I’m planning a late August mini NRW Saunaclub-FKK-Partytreff tour, with all transport by train or taxi, and was wondering if anyone had comments on this itinerary that I put together based on recent reports:

Day 1, Wednesday: Arrive Amsterdam 0800 – Train to Koln then Leverkusen – Afternoon at Globe – Evening to Hennef then Schieferhof, check into Hotel Reuter, night at Bernd’s – Overnight at Hotel Reuter

Day 2, Thursday: Schieferhof/Hennef to Koln to Dusseldorf – Hotel check in – Late morning-early afternoon: need to choose among FKK Dolce Vita, FKK Alcapulco, Pauschalclub Harem Erkrath, or Pauschalclub Bochum – Late afternoon to evening: Living Room Kaarst – Overnight at hotel in Dusseldorf

Day 3, Friday: Late morning-early afternoon: one of the clubs mentioned for Thursday – Afternoon train to to Kempen for Villa Vertigo – Afternoon, evening, and overnight at Villa Vertigo

Day 4, Saturday: Wake up at Villa Vertigo – Taxi to Goldentime, afternoon there – Late afternoon train from Kaldenkirchen to Amsterdam Schipol airport and flight

I also have a few other questions:

Any advice on choosing among FKK Dolce Vita Dusseldorf, FKK Alcapulco Velbert (both good price FKK’s), and Pauschalclub Harem Erkrath and Pauschalclub Bochum (higher end Partytreffs)? Are the lineups of all these really comparable, or better at the first two? And facilities (for example, it sounds like Harem can hold its own with any)?

Can someone confirm that Kempen would be the best station for Villa Vertigo, over Viersen or Krefeld? Is the public transport from Dusseldorf ok or is it too cumbersome to make it worth the trip?

Am I giving Goldentime enough time/energy? How would a Saturday mid-to-early afternoon be there in terms of lineup and crowds of guests?

Finally, which place (except Bernd’s of course) has the highest amount of nudity by the girls? This could be a deciding factor in choosing among the lower-cost FKKs and partytreffs.

Thanks!

[Breadman]

Late afternoon to evening: Living Room Kaarst – Overnight at hotel in Dusseldorf

Day 4, Saturday: Wake up at Villa Vertigo – Taxi to Goldentime, afternoon there – Late afternoon train from Kaldenkirchen to Amsterdam Schipol airport and flight


Seems like most of your time will be jumping from club to club in order to see everything in a short time. If this is your first trip, id suggest you focus on a certain area and then branch out to more clubs on your next trip.

Getting a hotel within walking distance of LR will let you enjoy the club longer and if you need to take a break you can always go out and come back in an hour or two.

Goldentime on saturday isn't the best day to see the club, do it on wednesday or thursday if possible...and again, try to spend the entire day by getting a hotel nearby.

[Australiasucks]

Hi,

I’m planning a late August mini NRW Saunaclub-FKK-Partytreff tour, with all transport by train or taxi, and was wondering if anyone had comments on this itinerary that I put together based on recent reports:

Day 1, Wednesday: Arrive Amsterdam 0800 – Train to Koln then Leverkusen – Afternoon at Globe – Evening to Hennef then Schieferhof, check into Hotel Reuter, night at Bernd’s – Overnight at Hotel Reuter

Day 2, Thursday: Schieferhof/Hennef to Koln to Dusseldorf – Hotel check in – Late morning-early afternoon: need to choose among FKK Dolce Vita, FKK Alcapulco, Pauschalclub Harem Erkrath, or Pauschalclub Bochum – Late afternoon to evening: Living Room Kaarst – Overnight at hotel in Dusseldorf

Day 3, Friday: Late morning-early afternoon: one of the clubs mentioned for Thursday – Afternoon train to to Kempen for Villa Vertigo – Afternoon, evening, and overnight at Villa Vertigo

Day 4, Saturday: Wake up at Villa Vertigo – Taxi to Goldentime, afternoon there – Late afternoon train from Kaldenkirchen to Amsterdam Schipol airport and flight

I also have a few other questions:

Any advice on choosing among FKK Dolce Vita Dusseldorf, FKK Alcapulco Velbert (both good price FKK’s), and Pauschalclub Harem Erkrath and Pauschalclub Bochum (higher end Partytreffs)? Are the lineups of all these really comparable, or better at the first two? And facilities (for example, it sounds like Harem can hold its own with any)?

Can someone confirm that Kempen would be the best station for Villa Vertigo, over Viersen or Krefeld? Is the public transport from Dusseldorf ok or is it too cumbersome to make it worth the trip?

Am I giving Goldentime enough time/energy? How would a Saturday mid-to-early afternoon be there in terms of lineup and crowds of guests?

Finally, which place (except Bernd’s of course) has the highest amount of nudity by the girls? This could be a deciding factor in choosing among the lower-cost FKKs and partytreffs.

Thanks!Honestly I would skip Dolce Vita, bbbj is now extra there, and the service level has dropped, its not like a true German FKK club and more like a Dutch brothel where the girls try to squeeze you for money, some girls will even pressure you to buy them drinks. You would be better off going to Living Room, LR is also a lot easier to get to from the city center than DV which is also in a sketchy part of town. If Cocoon was still open I would have recommended that club but its not RIP Cocoon.

Definitely go to Globe its an excellent club. I honestly cannot recommend Harem in Erkrath, just did not like it at all.

Some poster mentioned that he spotted Chanel at Babylon if you want an amazing experience, check her out, the poster said she is working at Babylon, this was a woman who eluded me for years.

[Ortos]

Seems like most of your time will be jumping from club to club in order to see everything in a short time. If this is your first trip, id suggest you focus on a certain area and then branch out to more clubs on your next trip.

Getting a hotel within walking distance of LR will let you enjoy the club longer and if you need to take a break you can always go out and come back in an hour or two.




This is very good advice. In fact there is a pretty decent hotel about 100m away from LR. I stayed there one night in June; I think I paid something around 50E/night. Some kind of Sport Hotel...

O

[Nille Copenhagen]

This is very good advice. In fact there is a pretty decent hotel about 100m away from LR. I stayed there one night in June; I think I paid something around 50E/night. Some kind of Sport Hotel...

OYes is called ISA Sport hotel kaarst, I've just stayed there this weekend paid 40€/night

http://www.internationalsportarena.de/

Walking distance til LR, but I took my car as I didn't want to waste my energy on walking for- and backwards with my bag. I wasted my fluid and energy on the girls instead, LOL

LR is too small to hang out the whole day, I usually stay there from 9pm-3am

Nille

[Big30]

This is very good advice. In fact there is a pretty decent hotel about 100m away from LR. I stayed there one night in June; I think I paid something around 50E/night. Some kind of Sport Hotel...

O

http://www.internationalsportarena.de/hotel.htm

But no airco, so I was told by a ISG member that I met last Wednesday in LR! Was good meeting you there after such a long time!

[Ibn Buttita]

Thanks for the tips; I realize my itinerary involves a god bit of travel (though the distances/times aren't too bad given the good DEBahn system). I like the idea of staying near the club, thanks for the suggestions (though for LR central Dusseldorf is still pretty close, I think). That's one reason I want to stay at Villa Vertigo at least one night.

My thinking in trying to fit so much in my itinerary was:
1) To include the Koln area for a couple of reasons:
- I definitely want to try a Partytreff for the first time on this trip, and Globe seems like it got the best reports, and
- Despite the radically varying reports on Bernd's, I really need an oasis of nude female bodies in the NRW sea of saunaclub modesty. And it seems like a place I need to experience at least once in my FKK career.
2) To try some clubs besides the major ones, for example to check out an Alcapulco as well as a GT, for the sake of variety.
3) Try to get to multiple PTs (like Bochum and Erkrath) as well as Globe, since there seems to be NO consensus about which is best.

Essentially, am I overrating the partytreffs/pauschalclubs/lower cost saunaclubs (like Alcapulco)? Does it boil down to them just serving as a more budget-oriented option with the commensurate lower quality of girls (looks/service), or do they have something substantial to offer? So would a PHG visit, though pricier, really be more worthwhile for the reduced transportation hassle (in conjunction with a GT-VV trip) and a (theoretically) better lineup than say PT Bochum?

Thanks in advance for humoring my maddening indecisiveness!

[Mambomike]

- Despite the radically varying reports on Bernd's, I really need an oasis of nude female bodies in the NRW sea of saunaclub modesty. And it seems like a place I need to experience at least once in my FKK career. !

Then avoid Bernds on dessoustag, aka Thursdays.

[Mambomike]

Some poster mentioned that he spotted Chanel at Babylon if you want an amazing experience, check her out, the poster said she is working at Babylon, this was a woman who eluded me for years.

The itinary seems overly ambitious with the train connections and potential cab rides. You will need a cab to/from Hennef to Bernds/Hotel Reuter. I can recommend Hotel Jomel, an easy walk from Hennef Hbn if that part of your plan doesn't work as planned.

I was the one that met Chanel at Babylon, apparently a different girl. This one is an Optifuck based on her stated menu.

[Gfe Finder]

Then avoid Bernds on dessoustag, aka Thursdays.

Dessoustag Thursday has been canceled for a while now.

[Pitingoul]

Could Anybody Inform The Distant From Frankfurt Am Main To Darmstadt, and How Many Mins Is The Trip By Taxi

Would Like To Visit The New Fkk Sharks And Stay In Frankfurt

Thanks

[Gfe Finder]

Could Anybody Inform The Distant From Frankfurt Am Main To Darmstadt, and How Many Mins Is The Trip By Taxi

Would Like To Visit The New Fkk Sharks And Stay In Frankfurt

Thanks

According to Google Maps, it's about 28 minutes and 36 km from the center of Frankfurt to FKK Sharks.

On a completely unrelated subject, was this the best they could do for a name? Does "sharks" have the same connotation for SPs in German as in English? As I've never been there, I hope the name is misleading.

[Nille Copenhagen]

On a completely unrelated subject, was this the best they could do for a name? Does "sharks" have the same connotation for SPs in German as in English? As I've never been there, I hope the name is misleading.Yes,
Shark = Hai in German, which mean the ladies are wild as a Shark (predator)
going for your dick and money !

But I don't think the ladies at Sharks FKK are more sharky (if you can say that) than in other FKKs.

The most sharks concentration are at Palace FKK and least sharks are at Bernds.

I don't have any problems at Palace FKK though, you just have to play the sharks games well. Palace FKK has the best line-up IMO.

[Eros74]

...On a completely unrelated subject, was this the best they could do for a name?...

I totally agree, if they lack so much in imagination, so ...even Fkk Pussy could be much better :D

[Hessen Bub]

No, in German there's no such connotation. But as I heard they will never have sharks in the aquarium and they are discussing a relaunch under a different name. Let's wait and see.

HB

[Gooroox]

The most sharks concentration are at Palace FKK and least sharks are at Bernds.Girls at Acapulco and Freude are not particularly sharky either, mainly due to the fact they may not initiate. The only places in both clubs where girls take more initiatives in talking to guests are located near the Kino (upstairs at Aca, at the back of the building at F39)

[Smith Joe]

Hey guys don't know if this is the right forum to ask but I will be going to amsterdam/rotterdam area during the last week of August/first week of September. I have never gone to europe so I do have a few questions.

Had a few questions if you guys don't mind.

1) What fkk clubs would you recommend that are a reasonable train ride from the netherlands.

2) If train is not the easiest way what is the easiest mode of transportation.

Thanks a lot guys and apologies if this is not the right place to ask these questions.

[Vito Corleone]

Hey guys don't know if this is the right forum to ask but I will be going to amsterdam/rotterdam area during the last week of August/first week of September. I have never gone to europe so I do have a few questions.

Had a few questions if you guys don't mind.

1) What fkk clubs would you recommend that are a reasonable train ride from the netherlands.

2) If train is not the easiest way what is the easiest mode of transportation.

Thanks a lot guys and apologies if this is not the right place to ask these questions.From Venlo, you can take a cab to Goldentime or Villa Vertigo. I think Living Room in Kaarst is the only club within walking distance from a train station.

[Angus Magee]

....concerning Angus' blog

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1053950&postcount=2365

AM

[ButtLover]

Hi
I thought the whole idea with FKK clubs was that you could have public sex in front of other people, as at swingers clubs, but I have learned that it is not working properly so.

Ok, you can have sex in the dark TV room, most of the girls agree with that, but sex in the Bar-area, on the sofas, etc is almost impossible to have.

I have had sex one time at the sofa in the bar at FKK-palace, but it belongs to the exceptions.

Last Saturday at FKK-Artemis, all the girls refused me sex in the round beds in the bar whithout the curtains blocking,

If you want a blowjob in the bar, you must go to Bangkok

If not public sex is possible, I think FKK clubs are just big brothels.

BL

[Angus Magee]

Hi
I thought the whole idea with FKK clubs was that you could have public sex in front of other people, as at swingers clubs, but I have learned that it is not working properly so.

Ok, you can have sex in the dark TV room, most of the girls agree with that, but sex in the Bar-area, on the sofas, etc is almost impossible to have.

I have had sex one time at the sofa in the bar at FKK-palace, but it belongs to the exceptions.

Last Saturday at FKK-Artemis, all the girls refused me sex in the round beds in the bar whithout the curtains blocking,

If you want a blowjob in the bar, you must go to Bangkok

If not public sex is possible, I think FKK clubs are just big brothels.

BL

I do not believe that the whole point to FKK is public sex. Nudity in the club yes but not public sex. And even the nudity seems to be on the decline at clubs like Artemis which are, in my opinion, more of a big brothel with a club like atmosphere.

Public sex at Artemis does happen. I have seen a full on FFM, fucking, sucking, lesbian, the works, threesome take place on one of the sofas on the raised section of the bar. I have seen a MMF threesome on one of the round beds with curtains open and the girl being rotisseried by the men. `She was very enthusiastic and vocal. I myself have had an more or less open curtain session on the same beds. But at Artemis these things tend to happen on the busier wild nights. I doubt seriously you would find any takers during quieter times. Many of the girls are actually sort of embarrassed by public displays. If you do go again see if you can not find Shiva a thirty something Czech girl with big man-mades. While not certain, I am pretty sure she would do a public session pretty much anytime. I could b wrong but I know she likes public displays. There is also a Ukrainian girl, Vika, who would probably do it on a couch if requested. I have not seen her around for a while though so maybe she has moved on.

Really though if public sex is such a thing for you I wonder why not stick to Partytreff? or clubs like Bernds? Actually, as I remember, in Berlin La Folie was a place for public sex. It is a small bar and several times I saw full on sex in the bar. It seems to have been an option there. This may have changed though as I have not been there for some time.

AM

[Hessen Bub]

8 or 9 years ago public sex in FKKs was standard. You'd see couples or groups suck and fuck everywhere. But now it has becomr a mainstream business with different guestsband girls. I remember sessions at sunken Atlantis ...

HB

[Angus Magee]

8 or 9 years ago public sex in FKKs was standard. You'd see couples or groups suck and fuck everywhere. But now it has becomr a mainstream business with different guestsband girls. I remember sessions at sunken Atlantis ...

HB

Fair enough. I am a relative newbie to the scene despite my sometime propensity for appearing an expert ;)

I am actually pretty interested in the history of the FKK clubs, how they came to be, what they were like, how they have changed. I have always wondered, for instance, about the FKK name. As I understand it FKK was a sort of nudist movement and had little, if anything, to do with sex, let alone prostitution. How did the first clubs come to name themselves after this nudist movement? I have come across a book (in German and I did not get too much of the text) about FKK the movement in the DDR. The pictures alone in the book were great, depicting comrades engaged in sport, work and social activities all in the buff.

AM

[Love Palace]

Fair enough. I am a relative newbie to the scene despite my sometime propensity for appearing an expert ;)

I am actually pretty interested in the history of the FKK clubs, how they came to be, what they were like, how they have changed. I have always wondered, for instance, about the FKK name. As I understand it FKK was a sort of nudist movement and had little, if anything, to do with sex, let alone prostitution. How did the first clubs come to name themselves after this nudist movement? I have come across a book (in German and I did not get too much of the text) about FKK the movement in the DDR. The pictures alone in the book were great, depicting comrades engaged in sport, work and social activities all in the buff.

AMFKK= FreiKoerperKultur see FKK-Online.de also info in english.

It is a naturist movement with camps, meeitngs etc.Bernds has been called the mother of FKK clubs with prostitution.

Perhaps starts your research there?

Can we expect a book?

Invite HB to join the team!

[Toscana]

I am actually pretty interested in the history of the FKK clubs, how they came to be, what they were like, how they have changed. I have always wondered, for instance, about the FKK name. As I understand it FKK was a sort of nudist movement and had little, if anything, to do with sex, let alone prostitution. How did the first clubs come to name themselves after this nudist movement? I have come across a book (in German and I did not get too much of the text) about FKK the movement in the DDR. The pictures alone in the book were great, depicting comrades engaged in sport, work and social activities all in the buff.I don't claim to be an expert historian here, but I do know that the FKK concept has been around much, much longer than our beloved clubs. And it still flourishes in this "open-air" form so far as I know.

However, it sometimes seems to be an almost puritannical society, occupied with itself, and open sexuality is usually "tabu", as Basketcase recently reported. And the large majority of the women, even if they were available, do not belong - how shall we put it? - to the category that would instantly cause a shift in Toscana's towel arrangement.

I suspect the clubs that we know today assumed the FKK brand for legal reasons, including as a way of keeping the nudity on the right side of the law. And let us indeed offer thanks to those brilliant, brave pioneers of ten, twelve, fifteen years ago.

[Gfe Finder]

I suspect the clubs that we know today assumed the FKK brand for legal reasons, including as a way of keeping the nudity on the right side of the law. And let us indeed offer thanks to those brilliant, brave pioneers of ten, twelve, fifteen years ago.

Bernds, the "Mutter aller Clubs," c. 1982-3 took advantage of an already existing concept in Germany to skirt the law. "Furthering prostitution," i.e. running a brothel wouldn't be legal for another 20 years or so.

Hence their now deceased founder offered a place where men and women could come together, be naked, have fun, and whatever they did in the rooms on-site was their business, not the club's. ;) If the women wanted to charge for their company, that's their concern. ;) And to minimize the chance of trouble and perhaps due to only a small interest level then it was only open weekends and only in the basement.

[More on the club's history is here: http://web.archive.org/web/20060118113945/http://www.bernds-sauna-club.de/. Click on "Der Hof" to read their story (in German.)]


Over the years, various parts of this model were altered and I presume the "we don't know or care what the women do" part was dropped in 2002 when it was no longer legally necessary.

My source for most of this is one of the regulars there although I've neither checked on nor heard much of this corroborated anywhere else by anyone else. So, it's entirely possible that I could be wrong.

[Big30]

The name FKK (Frei Körper Kultur) was more or less borrowed from a well known and established movement in Germany with a long tradition.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freik%C3%B6rperkultur

For many Germans FKK is a way off living. They visit during summer FKK Campings in Germany or the Mediterane. The only link with FKK clubs is nudity.

These are as far as I am aware of the history, the first 3 FKK-Sauna Clubs in Germany.
The real boom came indeed after 2002 when Prostitution became legal. Now we tend to discriminate between real FKK's and Saunaclubs but that is not based on a formerly agreed definition!


Club No. 1: Schieferhof (http://www.bernds-sauna-club.de), Hennef (1988)
Club No. 2: Grimberg Sauna (http://www.grimberg-fkk.de), Gelsenkirchen (1993)
Club No. 3: Planet Happy Garden (http://www.planet-happygarden.de), Tönisvorst (1993)


B30

(Info came from some well respected German members of the Icebearforum who visited those clubs already in the 80s/90s. See Topic there about the origin of FKK-saunaclubs if you want more info)

[Excess]

and I am sure that many of us will find the move to the Big FKK in the Sky smoothed by blessed Bernd as he hands out the locker key and towels, and shares a beer with us with some tips for our first celestial session.

In the mean time......

E.



Bernds, the "Mutter aller Clubs," c. 1982-3 took advantage of an already existing concept in Germany to skirt the law. "Furthering prostitution," i.e. running a brothel wouldn't be legal for another 20 years or so.

Hence their now deceased founder offered a place where men and women could come together, be naked, have fun, and whatever they did in the rooms on-site was their business, not the club's. ;) If the women wanted to charge for their company, that's their concern. ;) And to minimize the chance of trouble and perhaps due to only a small interest level then it was only open weekends and only in the basement.

[Iseeu]

The reason that these are called FKK sauna clubs is because of the borrowed concept. All across Germany (and Austria, the Germanic portion of Switzerland, the Baltic counries) there are nudist saunas, which are often part of a larger swimming /wellness center. The sauna area in those centers are defined as "FKK areas", so everyone knows that clothing is optional in there.

Indeed since these are family oriented venues (entry to the sauna area may be age restricted in the evenings) overt sexuality is forbidden and results in expulsion. I don't believe that this is meant in any way as puritannical as was posted below, rather as child protection. Germans and indeed most Europeans are decidedly un-puritannical when it comes to the human body and sexuality, especially when compared to the great sex penitentiary I call home.

Bernd originally opened a sauna club in his basement (he still lived upstairs with his family) with a small sauna and pool (the pool was where the basement zimmers are today). That's why it's still called "Bernd's Sauna Club". From my information (gleaned through the years in conversations with people associated with the club), it opened in 1982, only on weekends, and was a private club during its first years. I believe and this is only my own conjecture, that it was originally intended as a club for local swingers, but Bernd understood the potential, and everyone is naked anyway, so why not add some rooms and charge admission.

Other early clubs circa 80's- early 90's were Sankt Agustine in Meinsdorf, and Babylon in Elsdorf.

Until 10 years ago, everyone was naked in these clubs. This has fallen off over the years, and now we make distinctions between "sauna clubs" in which the women are not naked and "Fkk" clubs in which the women are. But, in Bernd's Sauna Club the women are always all naked (except for an unsuccessful attempt recently at Dessoustag Thursdays).

[Excess]

I have been in Bernd`s on several occasions when one or more of the girl`s kept wrapped up in their towel too long following a post session shower, usually while standing at or near the upstairs bar.

Edith or Connie called out loudly enough for all to hear on the floor to the girl, " Remove your towel, X, this is a FKK". Even Mara was caught out wearing the towel once to my knowledge not that any of girls have any inhibitions in being nude at the `Hof.

E.



The reason that these are called FKK sauna clubs is because of the borrowed concept. All across Germany (and Austria, the Germanic portion of Switzerland, the Baltic counries) there are nudist saunas, which are often part of a larger swimming /wellness center. The sauna area in those centers are defined as "FKK areas", so everyone knows that clothing is optional in there.

Indeed since these are family oriented venues (entry to the sauna area may be age restricted in the evenings) overt sexuality is forbidden and results in expulsion. I don't believe that this is meant in any way as puritannical as was posted below, rather as child protection. Germans and indeed most Europeans are decidedly un-puritannical when it comes to the human body and sexuality, especially when compared to the great sex penitentiary I call home.

Bernd originally opened a sauna club in his basement (he still lived upstairs with his family) with a small sauna and pool (the pool was where the basement zimmers are today). That's why it's still called "Bernd's Sauna Club". From my information (gleaned through the years in conversations with people associated with the club), it opened in 1982, only on weekends, and was a private club during its first years. I believe and this is only my own conjecture, that it was originally intended as a club for local swingers, but Bernd understood the potential, and everyone is naked anyway, so why not add some rooms and charge admission.

Other early clubs circa 80's- early 90's were Sankt Agustine in Meinsdorf, and Babylon in Elsdorf.

Until 10 years ago, everyone was naked in these clubs. This has fallen off over the years, and now we make distinctions between "sauna clubs" in which the women are not naked and "Fkk" clubs in which the women are. But, in Bernd's Sauna Club the women are always all naked (except for an unsuccessful attempt recently at Dessoustag Thursdays).

[Andypandara]

except for an unsuccessful attempt recently at Dessoustag Thursdays.So does this mean that Dessous Tag Thursdays at Bernd's are a thing of the past? They still advertise that on the event schedule, and I was actually trying to plan my itinerary around it (avoid) on my "Andy's Great London and Germany LMP / PT / FKK Circle Tour" planned for late October.

[Big30]

The reason that these are called FKK sauna clubs is because of the borrowed concept. All across Germany (and Austria, the Germanic portion of Switzerland, the Baltic counries) there are nudist saunas, which are often part of a larger swimming /wellness center. The sauna area in those centers are defined as "FKK areas", so everyone knows that clothing is optional in there.


No :)! FKK is a way of living, a life style. It is most certainly not related to Saunaclubs, actually in Germany allmost all Saunas are nudist saunas.

I like FKK campings and visited a lot of them, but believe me, in most FKK campings I never found a Sauna area that was designated as a "FKK area" :).

Bernds was the first Sauna club and as you can read on their homepage they are the oldest Sauna Club in the business already for 23 years.

B30

[Iseeu]

No :)! FKK is a way of living, a life style. It is most certainly not related to Saunaclubs, actually in Germany allmost all Saunas are nudist saunas.

I like FKK campings and visited a lot of them, but believe me, in most FKK campings I never found a Sauna area that was designated as a "FKK area" :).

I agree with you that the original term "FKK" refers to the naturist lifestyle and that in Germany all saunas are nudist saunas. I've gone to many in Germany and in other countries in which saunas can only be enjoyed in the nude.

Obviously, in an FKK campground, in which the entire facility is FKK, there would be no need to designate the sauna area as an FKK area. In many of the public wellness centers (hallenbads) in which there is a regular swimming area, water slides and other facilities designed for family use, the sauna area is designated as a nudist FKK area to differntiate it from the rest of the facility in which swimsuits are worn.

The discussion here on the thread to which I responded, asked for the origin of the use of "FKK" and "sauna club" when referring to the clubs that we visit for paid sex even though, as you know, any public display of sexuality at true FKK facilities are forbidden. That was the gist of my earlier post.

[Iseeu]

So does this mean that Dessous Tag Thursdays at Bernd's are a thing of the past? They still advertise that on the event schedule, and I was actually trying to plan my itinerary around it (avoid) on my "Andy's Great London and Germany LMP / PT / FKK Circle Tour" planned for late October.
Yes, it has been discontinued by popular demand.

[Angus Magee]

Thanks guys for all the input and views here on this historical curiosity of mine. Now let us not get into a dick swinging match about the origins of FKK. and who knows the correct version of history. I am not one who cares much for historical accuracy in any sort of absolute sense. I like to look at all the different versions offered and find a sort of middle path as that is about the best we can do with the past. Memory is very selective.

But you have offered me some insight and also given me avenues to explore further. For this I thank you.

AM

[Big30]

Other early clubs circa 80's- early 90's were Sankt Agustine in Meinsdorf, and Babylon in Elsdorf.



Thxs for your info Iseeu. I am not sure but thought Babylon opened at 1998, so is also one of the founders of the concept. Sankt Augustine to tell the thruth never heard of.

I agree with AM. I share the same historical curiosity about Sauna-FKK clubs and yes absolute historical accuracy is difficult to achieve but so what!

B30

[Eros74]

Hi guys,

I stayed at Etap sued west linden, perfect for me for the cheap price and cause it is enough close to both World and Oase.

But we are now planning to go and we are in 3, we want to have 3 single rooms, so just in case Etap linden will not have 3 rooms for all the days we will stay there, where can be an other possibility ?

I found:

A ) Mercure Hotel Kongress Wetzlar, far 10 km, but 20 euro per day more than Etap linden

B ) ETAP HOTEL Frankfurt Sued Offenbach, only 10 euro more than Etap linden, but far about 60km from it.

So far as it is much easier if we will accomodate close each other, any other hotel in linden ?

Thanks in advance :)

[Hessen Bub]

So far as it is much easier if we will accomodate close each other, any other hotel in linden ?

Never been there, but quite a lot of people were talking about and staying at this hotel:

http://www.hotel-ami.de/h-41856-D/bilder/gasthaus-gruener-baum-hotel-restaurant-biergarten-in-pohlheim-ot-watzenborn-steinberg-b.-giessen.htm

HB

[Wassab]

Never been there, but quite a lot of people were talking about and staying at this hotel:

http://www.hotel-ami.de/h-41856-D/bilder/gasthaus-gruener-baum-hotel-restaurant-biergarten-in-pohlheim-ot-watzenborn-steinberg-b.-giessen.htm

HBI have made arrangement to stay at this place on August 27, trying to see if they will accommodate me for an extra day on Aug 26. They told me to call back on Aug 20 to see if the room is available for me to rent 2 nights at 25 per night. Not bad for a place to crash after World. Definitely save on cab, rental and gas fares. With 25 euro I can't expect comfort but just a place to crash.

[Member #3453]

I went to FKK Stuttgart (Phoenix Club) several years ago. There were about 35 girls there, and probably about 10 guys when I visited. The selection seemed just a slight notch above a medium to upper level massage parlor, with an occassional hotty, but mostly they were also slightly older. Is it still open, or has the name changed. I will be in Germany in a few weeks again, and just wondered if it's still around or in the same location under a different name. I did not see it mentioned in the threads lately.

[Hessen Bub]

Phoenix is still opend, but it's very quiet regarding reports on that club, here and on German boards. Think they did some renovation, but I have never been there. Why you wanna go there? IMHO Paradise is a much better choice, hard- and software-wise.

Homepage still is http://www.fkk-stuttgart.de

HB

[Chukar]

Sorry for the dumb question.

Is the Wfi service in Germany/Europe the same as in the USA?

In other words if I bring my laptop or probably Ipad when I come back to Germany will it work just like at any hotel or Starbucks here in the USA?

[Member #3453]

At that time I couldn't travel too far from the hotel to look for better places. I remember that they had the locker room, the showers, the sauna, the jaccuzi, the lounge areas, etc.

FKK Stuttgart had relatively cramped quarters. I remember it had four floors of rooms, with the bottom level being the locker room and lounge area, the second level having rooms and a communal shower. The third and fourth floors were all private rooms. There was no orgy room that I saw, just private rooms with mattresses thrown on the floors. Plus, I did not see them changing the linens on the beds between sessions, probably filthy. When I went to the room with my girl, she through a big towel over the center of the bed to give us a cleaner environment to lie down on.

I did also get a chance to visit FKK-Haus. I was having to sneak out at night, and be back relatively early the next morning for meetings. I enjoyed it, but it was relatively crowded with patrons, and the girls were choosing their best prospects, which I was not.

Thank you for the information, and I'll check out my other options this time. I should have a little more freedom this trip.


Phoenix is still opend, but it's very quiet regarding reports on that club, here and on German boards. Think they did some renovation, but I have never been there. Why you wanna go there? IMHO Paradise is a much better choice, hard- and software-wise.

Homepage still is http://www.fkk-stuttgart.de

HB

[Regnad]

In other words if I bring my laptop or probably Ipad when I come back to Germany will it work just like at any hotel or Starbucks here in the USA?
Yes. I used my iPad with no problem.

[Andypandara]

Sorry for the dumb question.

Is the Wfi service in Germany/Europe the same as in the USA?Not a dumb question at all. It is sometimes difficult to understand these types of technical issues, particularly if you are not a techie. The IEEE 802.11x wireless protocol that is the basis for WIFI hotspots and wireless networking is an international standard that is mostly compatible worldwide. Some countries disallow use of certain channels, but for the most part, you should have no difficulties whether it is an IPad or a Laptop enabled for WIFI networking.

[Rigoleto]

Hey guys,

I have a couple of questions:

1) How is usually weather first week of September in Dusseldorf area?

2) Clubs with pool outside like VV and YY have it open in first week of September?

Thanks

[Hessen Bub]

1) Forecast is around 27 Celsius.

2) Pool should be open in September.

HB

[Nille Copenhagen]

1) Forecast is around 27 Celsius.

2) Pool should be open in September.

HBWow that's nice, I want to go to VV in Sept.

[Angus Magee]

The counting is done and the September Monger I Admire has been chose.

Check out who is the Monger I Admire on the blog.

http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=322

AM

[Eros74]

Never been there, but quite a lot of people were talking about and staying at this hotel:

http://www.hotel-ami.de/h-41856-D/bilder/gasthaus-gruener-baum-hotel-restaurant-biergarten-in-pohlheim-ot-watzenborn-steinberg-b.-giessen.htm

HB

Hessen Bub,

I hope till last moment I could use Etap or the one you linked me, but as you probably read in the other threads we could not come to Frankfurt, but thanks anyway man.

[Blourghus]

Does anybody know of any lady in FKK clubs who has tooth braces (orthodontic)? I know it is a bit of a rarity, but searching for "braces" in this forum yields a few results of some ladies who have had them, I would greatly appreciate any possible lead on any lady who currently does have braces.

[Angus Magee]

Does anybody know of any lady in FKK clubs who has tooth braces (orthodontic)? I know it is a bit of a rarity, but searching for "braces" in this forum yields a few results of some ladies who have had them, I would greatly appreciate any possible lead on any lady who currently does have braces.

There was a girl at Artemis who wore braces but I have no idea if she still works there and if she does, are the braces still on? I also come up short on her name. If I do remember I will post or send a pm if you are able to receive.

Do you have a braces fetish? I have had a bj with braces and it is not an experience I would repeat soon.

AM

[Hessen Bub]

Years ago there was beautiful (small) Diana from Lithuania at Palace.

Alice (DomRep) at Palace does still wear her's.

HB

[Eros74]

I think it is better to post here.


I've been mongering all over the world too, so which country of origin do you prefer?

That's can be a really interesting topic if others will tell their opinion too.

1 ) FSU girls for sure, no doubt about this. It's me, cause I have the advantage I speak russian, most do not do, so it immediately helps a lot to build a good feelings, for example speaking about their home town, discos, restaurant I was and that she surely knows, if I was there. At top Russia, sometimes less beautiful than Ukraine girls, but much more friendly. Baltic countries a bit less, as they feel european.

2 ) Czech and Slovak girls, cause again as above, I speak their language and I travelled there from 1998, so I know very well almost every cities. Yes they are european but very friendly for me.

3 ) Polish girls, I was there too and for me they have very good attitude too.

I try to avoid as much as I can romanian too.... I'd prefer bulgarian instead of romanian, I know they are the biggest number in FKK, that's why I always search one of the first 3 types.

Hungarian girls a bit better than romanian and bulgarian, but I go with one madarsky girl only if I did not find one of mine top three list.

What yours top three list ?

P.S. brazilians girls, I speak the language too, are not bad, but so far as I like thin girls, they often aren't.

[Hessen Bub]

My ATFs are from Romania. Don't know why, but I still do find a lot of beautiful Romanian girls providing outstanding service. More than money can buy, but that's not for the board ... ;)

OK, there's that one Lithuanian girl - ask Dedalus bout her .. :D

HB

[Nille Copenhagen]

My top 3 for GF and SP are:

1. Danish/Scandinavian girls. You never find them in FKKs.

2. Polish girls. I had a Polish GF.

3. Czech, Russian, Ukrainian, Baltic, Turkmenistan, Romanian, Spanish, German, Latin Am, Thai girls.

For me the third place is difficult to nominate as there are so many good country of origin.

Nille

[Ortos]

OK, there's that one Lithuanian girl - ask Dedalus bout her .. :D

HB


Dedalus used to complain non-stop about "some German jerk" who would disappear into the Zimmer with Marina for hours on end. All the time, poor Dedalus would be waiting for her with increasing expectations at every half hour mark....Don't tell me you were that German guy!!! LOL

[Blourghus]

There was a girl at Artemis who wore braces but I have no idea if she still works there and if she does, are the braces still on? I also come up short on her name. If I do remember I will post or send a pm if you are able to receive.

Do you have a braces fetish? I have had a bj with braces and it is not an experience I would repeat soon.

AM
Thanks for info, Artemis is definitely on my list and one of my favorites. I will look for her, please let me know if you think of any more info.
Yes braces is my fetish but strangely (?) I am not much of BJ guy, mainly just into kissing. I love the set up of the FKK's, it would really be my fantasy to have a lady with braces in the FKK set up.



Years ago there was beautiful (small) Diana from Lithuania at Palace.

Alice (DomRep) at Palace does still wear her's.

HB


Many Thanks; this is golden info, and I will definitely look for Alice from DR (any other details on her such as skin color, body type to help me find her?). Palace is on my list for sure.

Any other suggestions for other ladies with braces?? ANy suggestions deeply appreciated.

[Hessen Bub]

Dedalus used to complain non-stop about "some German jerk" who would disappear into the Zimmer with Marina for hours on end. All the time, poor Dedalus would be waiting for her with increasing expectations at every half hour mark....Don't tell me you were that German guy!!! LOL

She was with me once or twice for a moment or two when Ded tried to book her. But the guy blocking her for entire days was Fritz, I hated him. ;)

HB

[Angus Magee]

Thanks for info, Artemis is definitely on my list and one of my favorites. I will look for her, please let me know if you think of any more info.Yes braces is my fetish but strangely (?) I am not much of BJ guy, mainly just into kissing. I love the set up of the FKK's, it would really be my fantasy to have a lady with braces in the FKK set up.
.

Still no name comes to me. But if there she should not be that hard to find. Just look for the girl with the guys coming downstairs to the cash locker with pained looks on their faces ;)

Come to think of it, while girls with braces are not thick as flies, I have met plenty of girls who should be wearing them. One girl at Artemis I remember thinking as I fondled her man made DDs-she should have invested the cash in braces instead of these. But then the prospect of a titty fuck would have been out of the question and with the braces...the bj....nope.

Mongering can be a hobby where one must set priorities clearly.

AM

[Hessen Bub]

Many Thanks; this is golden info, and I will definitely look for Alice from DR (any other details on her such as skin color, body type to help me find her?). Palace is on my list for sure.

Her picture (1,50 by 1,10m) is up the wall inside Palace next to the cinema entrance. She's 25 to 27 years old, white teeth, natural C/D-Cups, long black hair, dark skin. And - a bracelet. :D

She's works some weeks then goes back home - you'll need some luck zo meet her.

HB

[Angus Magee]

I am not much one for top threes,fives or tens but:

For some reason I click with Bulgarian girls. All from Arte. Nicoletta, Conny, Rosie (syas she is Greek but...) Oase, Rebecca, Janey (rose Little A from the dead late one night) MonRouge, Nikki, Crissy.

Brazilian: Leoni,saw her as Sina at Oase during her stay. Brazil wins on the strength of her alone

Venezuela: Likewise Gabriella Oase. Saw her here and twice at Artemis last winter. One of my best sessions ever I have to say. (Thanks Gfe Finder for the correction on G's nationality-it was a while back and she did sort of put the whammy on old Angus)

But I can not really stand behind the ordering to strongly. Bulgaria is on top by virtue of their being so many. Leoni second as I saw her but once and the session stands in my memory as an icon of what p4p can be like. Gabrielle I saw a few time and as I say, one of the best.

AM

Romanians? I can see why guys have a problem there. Buy again, for some reason i like them. They can be very predatory, even sort of dishonest, but they are generally so obvious about it that it really does not bother me too much.I even find it a wee bit cute. I would way rather go with a hottie who is upfront about her motives than a girl who pretends to be something she isn't. A very hot haughty princess, whose icy facade cracks a bit under the Old Angus charm is infinitely more attractive to me than a basically honest German (or any other nationality) girl who pretends to be something she is not.

[Gfe Finder]

Credit where credit is due, Angus! :) ;)

I am not much one for top threes,fives or tens but:

For some reason I click with Bulgarian girls. All from Arte. Nicoletta, Conny, Rosie (syas she is Greek but...) Oase, Rebecca, Janey (rose Little A from the dead late one night) MonRouge, Nikki, Crissy.

Brazilian: Leoni,saw her as Sina at Oase during her stay. Brazil wins on the strength of her alone

Argentinian: Likewise Gabriella Oase. Saw her here and twice at Artemis last winter. One of my best sessions ever I have to say.

She is from Venezuela, not Argentina.


But I can not really stand behind the ordering to strongly.

Agreed. Once upon a time I thought that it might be a helpful shortcut and to a limited extent it is. In some cases (non-pros, e.g.) individual idiosyncrasies render such lists useless.

With that said, I've had a lot of positive experiences from Latina, Polish, and German women (or at least women living in Germany!)

[Hessen Bub]

Argentinian: Likewise Gabriella Oase. Saw her here and twice at Artemis last winter. One of my best sessions ever I have to say.

Venezuela is her story, right? Probably she's from DR.

HB

[Angus Magee]

Venezuela is her story, right? Probably she's from DR.

HB


Makes no matter if she comes from the Antarctic. She is a hottie & a total sweetie in my eyes. As I always say, tell me anything as long as I do not look too stupid for believing it;)

AM

[Toscana]

1) Slavs in Former Soviet countries, whether freebies or P4P. Beautiful, sex skills, uncomplicated love of sex, all-rounders. Agree with Lukasek: I'll always risk it with a Russian, Ukrainians stunning but can be spoilt, Belarussians unspoilt and top notch in my experience.

2) Colombians: often simply amazingly beautiful women.

3) Poles: on average v. good sex skills, Slavic looks, usually with a fine attitude in paysex.

Brazilians get very high marks too, but mainly for joie de vivre, sexskills, PSE. Looks not always in my highest league.

Never had much joy with Africans, Caribbeans or East Asians, with honourable exceptions. Most Thais are simply too short-arsed for me.

[Ibn Buttita]

Great topic! Without giving a numerical ranking, how about:

Black Girls: Ok, not a "nationality" so I may be politically incorrect here, but hear me out. My all-time best sex was in 2007 with Crystal (Dominican Republic) who worked Palace Frankfurt some weekends. She represented my first and to this point only experience with a girl who could contract her pussy wall muscles at will, which resulted in what I consider my most intense and near-to-heaven sensation to date. Bonnie at Artemis Berlin the same year was a tall, gorgeous Cuban-Angolan. I'll report soon on my recent romps with a few island girls - cute Nelly from St. Maarten at Living Room Kaarst, energetic Paloma at Globe Leverkusen, and my Malagasy Lassie Linda at Planet Happy Garden Oedt. In short, it came down to incredibly fun-loving attitudes with ALL of these girls that make them my fav's.

Romanian Girls; Bulgarian Girls: I have had some excellent sessions, and mostly avoided the pitfalls sometimes reported. Kami (Bulgaria) at Artemis in 2007 was the tightest, most precious teenie ever. I clicked well with ex-gymnast Bulgarian Lucy at World in Hesse in 2007; after a threesome with her and her busty blonde compatriot Stella Lucy got emotionally weird, which allowed us to have great make-up sex afterward! Bulgarian Dilek at Globe Leverkusen in two lengthy sessions (by flatrate standards) made me cum harder than I ever had, and kissed like a champ. Sure, I did have some Romanian processors (but with spirit) recently at Living Room, Golden Time Bruggen and Globe Leverkusen, and my all-time worst p4p experience was with girly Sofia (Bulgaria) at LaFolie in Berlin in '07 (she acted all sweet to get me to take her to the room, then complained about multiple positions and told me "It's your fault, not mine" when her poor attitude caused my junior to lose his vigor during our session). But those underwhelming episodes were blown out of the water by Vienna's Golden Time in June this year, the venue for a nice Bulgarian teenie experience as well as two incredible threesomes with four lovely Romanians.

I'm lumping the Romanians and Bulgarians together for a reason, though. The diversity in appearance available from the girls from those countries never ceases to amaze me. They can resemble dusky Latinas, or fair-skinned northern-European types, fulfill your Middle Eastern/Arabian Nights fantasy, pass as Spaniards or Italians, or even a Central Asian oriental girl every now and then. Brunettes or blondes as you prefer, and plenty of different body-types as well. I just love it - give me a bunch of Romanians or Bulgarians and I've got a round-the-world sex tour without leaving the room!

[Nille Copenhagen]

Hey you can find them here at the Brends thread.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1094

Nille

[Woof Woof]

For whatever reason, my best experience has consistently been with either German or Polish girls.

[Boddle]

Sorta related to the last few posts, but my favorite has always been MILFs. Something about being with older women has always been a turn-on to me.

Speaking of which, would anyone happen to know of any places (agencies, clubs, etc.) in Berlin that either specialize in them, or just has many of them?

I had asked in the Artemis thread by mistake, and I was also asked to "define" what I mean by MILFs. To me, MILF means a woman in her 30s to 50s, and preferably on the busty side. To me, that's pretty much heaven. Hopefully I can find one here!

[Angus Magee]

I had asked in the Artemis thread by mistake, and I was also asked to "define" what I mean by MILFs. To me, MILF means a woman in her 30s to 50s, and preferably on the busty side. To me, that's pretty much heaven. Hopefully I can find one here!

Okay, thanks, that is clearer. I think you will certainly find a few MILFish ladies at Artemis. As I myself tend to go for teeny girls, that is the 20-25 set who look a wee bit younger and play that up, I can not be too specific, like give you names. If Charlie 123 happens to see this he may just be able to help with some tips as i think that is also one of his preferences. One of them.

This age group is also well represented in some of Berlin's bordellos. Herz comes to mind in South Berlin.

http://www.herzberlin.de/bordell-berlin/girls.html

Keep in mind that the bordellos will often shave a few tears off the actual age of a model. So if it says 27, chances are she is in her early '30s.

As so many guys seem to like this age group I wonder why some enterprising soul does not open a bordello called the MILF Longe. I would do it myself but have neither the deep appreciation of MILFs nor the financial resources for such an enterprise.

AM

[Toscana]

Speaking of which, would anyone happen to know of any places (agencies, clubs, etc.) in Berlin that either specialize in them, or just has many of them?It's not normally my speciality at all, but I had a top session with Irina, Russia, in Artemis last Autumn. I've no idea if she is still there. Maybe someone else knows.

[The Cane]

1. brazilian - no nationality of girl delivers the porn star experience as good as the brazilian girl does. it's simply no contest. and when it comes to giving up the [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) chute, they cannot be touched! also, brazilian comes in all shades from dark chocolate to white as rice, and everything in between. so if the pse with plenty of booty hole action is your thing, like it is mine, then brazil (rio de janeiro anyway) is the place for you my friend!

2. polish - we're talkin' slavic good looks with fun, great attitudes and damn talented in the sack! i've had some very good experiences with polish babes who know how to enjoy having sex and aim to please the man they're with. it also doesn't hurt that so many of them have that innocent "girl next door look" that hides how very nasty they can be. although i've had good times with many other european flavors, particularly slovak, czech, and hungarian, pound for pound and inch for inch, the polish girls (i especially like the blondes) are the european girls that seem to consistently deliver good service.

3. colombian - beautiful faces, tight and toned bodies, long jet black hair, smooth and creamy caramel complected, sun-kissed skin, and passionate lovers. this is but a short blurb of how i would describe the colombiana. i could go on and on. suffice it to say that it was the colombiana who changed my opinion that a bj was only good for a prelim to something that could be the main event! we're talking a lifestyle change here folks! lol! like the pole, the colombiana tends to bring a good attitude and is out to please her man. if i have any complaints about the colombiana, it would be that she does not take to cim or cornholing as quickly and the brazilian or the pole does. but nevertheless, i first fell in love with the latina because of the one and only colombiana.

[The Cane]

1. brazilian - no nationality of girl delivers the porn star experience as good as the brazilian girl does. it's simply no contest. and when it comes to giving up the [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) chute, they cannot be touched! also, brazilian comes in all shades from dark chocolate to white as rice, and everything in between. so if the pse with plenty of booty hole action is your thing, like it is mine, then brazil (rio de janeiro anyway) is the place for you my friend!

2. polish - we're talkin' slavic good looks with fun, great attitudes and damn talented in the sack! i've had some very good experiences with polish babes who know how to enjoy having sex and aim to please the man they're with. it also doesn't hurt that so many of them have that innocent "girl next door look" that hides how very nasty they can be. although i've had good times with many other european flavors, particularly slovak, czech, and hungarian, pound for pound and inch for inch, the polish girls (i especially like the blondes) are the european girls that seem to consistently deliver good service.

3. colombian - beautiful faces, tight and toned bodies, long jet black hair, smooth and creamy caramel complected, sun-kissed skin, and passionate lovers. this is but a short blurb of how i would describe the colombiana. i could go on and on. suffice it to say that it was the colombiana who changed my opinion that a bj was only good for a prelim to something that could be the main event! we're talking a lifestyle change here folks! lol! like the pole, the colombiana tends to bring a good attitude and is out to please her man. if i have any complaints about the colombiana, it would be that she does not take to cim or cornholing as quickly and the brazilian or the pole does. but nevertheless, i first fell in love with the latina because of the one and only colombiana.

meant to say that the colombiana does not take to cim or cornholing as quickly as the brazilian or the polish girls do.

[Eros74]

Meant to say that the Colombiana does not take to CIM or cornholing as quickly as the Brazilian or the Polish girls do.

I read a lot about Colombia here, before then, to decide to go 3 months to Brazil, where the girls look like less beautiful than colombians but are much more passionate.

Everybody who went to colombia and to other countries in the south of america, can agree that colombians are so nice as so cold and selfish, never get one, even if I spoke with many, cause they none convinced me she could give me a GFE....imho.

[The Cane]

I read a lot about Colombia here, before then, to decide to go 3 months to Brazil, where the girls look like less beautiful than colombians but are much more passionate.

Everybody who went to colombia and to other countries in the south of america, can agree that colombians are so nice as so cold and selfish, never get one, even if I spoke with many, cause they none convinced me she could give me a GFE....imho.

Too bad it never worked out for you with the Colombianas. And everybody you say? For lots of guys the Colombianas are it! Just read the threads on the internet! Sure, they have their detractors, but lots of guys have lots of good things to say about the Colombiana, so I don't know where you get "everybody" from.

I personally have had some very nice experiences with them with lots of GFEs. Although, the ones with limited international exposure are far better to deal with. I do agree that the Brazilians are the superior providers. I rank them as easily being numero uno, and the gap between 1 and 3 is wide.

Polish is better than Colombian too, but the gap between 2 and 3 is not as wide as between 1 and 3. I'm always exploring for new talent, so the Colombianas could be displaced as number three on my list someday. I don't think anybody is ever going to bump off the number 1 Brazilians though. Not on this planet!

[Eros74]

...For lots of guys the Colombianas are it! Just read the threads on the internet! Sure, they have their detractors, but lots of guys have lots of good things to say about the Colombiana, so I don't know where you get "everybody" from....

Sorry, I had to write everybody I spoke with....

Btw lot of guys who love colombians never went to Brazil....that's another thing I understood reading the forum here....

Think the guy who showed me all the main termas of Rio, was used to go to medellin, much cheaper girls, more nice, but very cold attitude were his words....

Really, before to choose where to go, I read a lot colombia thread and I posted also the question if they are better colombians or brazilians, most answered brazilians. I was not happy to read that, cause I found colombians have much better cute face. ( I spent really hours to check the photo gallery of both countries, cause I was planning a holiday of 3 months and not of 3 weeks... )

And when I was in Brazil too, I still had the idea I wanted to go to check it out with my eyes and even there, the mongers who were in both countries told me stay here.

I got really the feeling in colombia many girls are nice, but it is hard to find one really passionate and not cold in bed. Instead in Brazil almost every girl gives GFE, so it is only "the problem" to find one enough nice for you. And after 80 days and something, I really had a very high % of GFE, the only problem, ruined for life from russian girls, was to find a brazilian girl with cute, nice face and without an ass big as a washing machine....

Next time I will meet a colombian girl, I will try her so I can speak with first hand experience, but so far I do not regret I went to Brazil instead to Colombia.

Btw and to not go too much OT, we are in German FKK thread after all, are there colombians in FKK ? Where exactly ??

[Gfe Finder]

Btw and to not go too much OT, we are in German FKK thread after all, are there colombians in FKK ? Where exactly ??

There are a few at Oase near Frankfurt. I can recommend Stephanie from experience: early 30s, dyed blonde but naturally brown hair. Arguably her most notable features are her large, luscious breasts and ass. I can still remember how I spotted them all the way from across the pool the first time I saw her.

Also reported recently: Lenny, a tall, full-bodied black girl.

And also from Shark16:


In addition to Lennie there have been two other Colombianas regularly at Oase this summer: Leticia/Laetitia* and Valeria (x-Palace girl under a different name).

Valeria is a great girl and fantastic kisser (when she wants to). Highly recommended. The other two I do not know, but appear "muy simpatica".

Cheers,
S16
Who freely admits to be a MILF and latina lover, too ... ;-)

*In case someone should ask: No, it's not the Spanish/Moroccoan girl that used to be at Oase a couple of years back.

[Blourghus]

I'm wondering what FKK's have highest levels of female nudity, I mean complete true nudity from above the ankles (no belts, waist chains, stockings, jean shorts, etc.. - nothing but shoes and I guess carrying a towel). Based on no other criteria besides nudity how would the FKK's rank? I have experience with Oase, World, Palace, & Artemis but probably only about 1/3'rd of the ladies are actually completely naked at those places.

Are there any places which have more nudity than those ones?

[Boomer10]

I'm wondering what FKK's have highest levels of female nudity, I mean complete true nudity from above the ankles (no belts, waist chains, stockings, jean shorts, etc.. - nothing but shoes and I guess carrying a towel). Based on no other criteria besides nudity how would the FKK's rank? I have experience with Oase, World, Palace, & Artemis but probably only about 1/3'rd of the ladies are actually completely naked at those places.

Are there any places which have more nudity than those ones?

I haven't been to Artemis, but compared to the others, at Bernds the girls are all nude. I few months ago, I would have said "all nude, all the time", but they tried a lingerie day for a few weeks (that has ended) and now, about once a month, they have a theme day. Another club that's been all nude is Babylon.

[Ibn Buttita]

I'm wondering what FKK's have highest levels of female nudity, I mean complete true nudity from above the ankles (no belts, waist chains, stockings, jean shorts, etc.. - nothing but shoes and I guess carrying a towel). Based on no other criteria besides nudity how would the FKK's rank? I have experience with Oase, World, Palace, & Artemis but probably only about 1/3'rd of the ladies are actually completely naked at those places.

Are there any places which have more nudity than those ones?

My jaw dropped when I first visited Coliseum in Augsburg near Munich in 2007 and saw all of the women completely nude, lounging on on the round couches and platforms in all their naked glory. This distinguished it from previous FKKs I had visited, and others since. (The girls were exceptionally good looking too.)
I made a couple of follow-up visits to Coliseum in 2007, one unintentionally on the once-weekly dessous-tag (I don't know which day of the week). As I was sitting on one of the couches in the main room with Vivian (my return had been made specifically to see her again, she's still an all time favorite), she started stripping because she said she hated those lingerie days since she had to wear something.

[Hessen Bub]

At World ALL girls are nude. All days except Tuesday. They are quite strict about it. Mainhattan the same.

HB

[Gfe Finder]

I haven't been to Artemis, but compared to the others, at Bernds the girls are all nude. I few months ago, I would have said "all nude, all the time", but they tried a lingerie day for a few weeks (that has ended) and now, about once a month, they have a theme day. Another club that's been all nude is Babylon.

During my last visit to Bernds, I noticed that Erika had decided to wear a black belt one day in addition to her heels. Otherwise Bernds has been pretty good about enforcing nudity for the girls.


At World ALL girls are nude. All days except Tuesday. They are quite strict about it. Mainhattan the same.

Was this a recent policy change? I remember going there a couple of years ago when an apparently now departed blonde, Eva from Bulgaria, approached me wearing stockings and heels-- not technically nude, nor were a few of her (similarly-dressed) colleagues.



My jaw dropped when I first visited Coliseum in Augsburg near Munich in 2007 and saw all of the women completely nude, lounging on on the round couches and platforms in all their naked glory. This distinguished it from previous FKKs I had visited, and others since. (The girls were exceptionally good looking too.)

Please correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the management there fine girls if they are not naked? (Hint, hint to any FKK owners who happen to read this!) ;)

[Breadman]

At World ALL girls are nude. All days except Tuesday. They are quite strict about it. Mainhattan the same.

HB

World is by far the strictest i've seen when it comes to telling the girls they must be nude. Last visit I saw one girl point out to another that she had to get rid of the towel around her waist. I've also seen workers on occasion make it known to a girl who came from a shower that she had to disrobe in the main room. Only exception is when they are going to eat (outside or inside), a towel is allowed but I have seen women eat in the buff.

Oase on the other hand, there was two girls working there who wouldn't take off their towels...had everything covered up the entire time outside the room. Some of the oase girls have on occasion taken to wearing 'wraps' around their waist like girls might have on a beach. They are nude under the wrap. Issue is those wraps cover up their backside, makes it hard to see if your going to get a good ass in doggy or not.

[The Cane]

At World ALL girls are nude. All days except Tuesday. They are quite strict about it. Mainhattan the same.

HB

Visited Mainhattan on a Wednesday and didn't see much nudity. Most of the girls were wearing bikinis, short skirts, stockings and garters, etc. Maybe it was one of those exception nights or something.

Whatever they were wearing, it was usually skimpy enough that you could inspect the goods. Picked a petite Hungarian girl who reminded me of a cheerleader I was familiar with in college who used to gimme a boner upon sight.

She spoke only Hungarian and German, so we had some difficulty communicating. I couldn't quite catch her name either due to the accent. But, I managed to negotiate the deal and got just what I wanted for what I wanted to pay.

She looked like only 18 to 20 with some freckles and was the tightest I've had in a long, long time. Had a monger pure tee hollerin' up in the room she was so tight! We even had to struggle to get me inside her, which only added to my excitement. Only thing that woulda made it better was if she had braces too! LOL!

Hungarian has been good to me. One named something like "Timaya" swallowed my seedlings at Artemis after I unloaded in her mouth from one of the best BBBJs ever. Then that tight Hungarian pussy at Mainhattan! I would definitely repeat with both. Whew!

[Blourghus]

World is by far the strictest i've seen when it comes to telling the girls they must be nude. Last visit I saw one girl point out to another that she had to get rid of the towel around her waist. I've also seen workers on occasion make it known to a girl who came from a shower that she had to disrobe in the main room. Only exception is when they are going to eat (outside or inside), a towel is allowed but I have seen women eat in the buff.


But do they still wear things like belts or waist chains, stockings (in some case knee-high)? I really love World and I agree it had the most nudity but on my last trip about 6 months back while there weren't any bikini bottoms or anything, a lot where wearing some accessory. I really like a purely naked woman and the belt sort of ruins the overall aura for me (and doesn't really cover anything anyways). I made it a point on my last trip to only patronize the purely naked ones.


Thanks Boomer10 & Ibn Buttitia for the suggestions on Bernds & Colosseum.
Looks like Bernds also even has a lady with tooth braces (Magda) - what are the chances of this? I'll probably get struck by lightning on my way there.

[Hessen Bub]

Visited Mainhattan on a Wednesday and didn't see much nudity. Most of the girls were wearing bikinis, short skirts, stockings and garters, etc. Maybe it was one of those exception nights or something.!

That was Dessous Tag, Lingerie Day. ;)

HB

[The Cane]

1. Oase - this place simply produced the best line-up with the most number of girls willing to give the GFE/PSE/anal service (and various other "dirty tricks"). I can see why this FKK is number one for so many. My best session was with a cute, blonde, girl-next-door type from Slovakia (said she lives in Austria) going by the name of "Belinda". She was simply outstanding, and I give her a five-star rating. She comes off as shy as first, but that "shy" went right out the window when we got to the room! Belinda was a 100% GFE and loves it in that butthole of hers.

That said, Oase is not perfect, and there were some things about the place I didn't like. For one, the main gathering area feels kind of small and can get pretty crowded. Also, sometimes it got just too hot in there. I actually took a couple of showers just to cool down from the heat. There seem to be too many stairs up and down to get to places. The food was decent actually, but I don't like the fact that you don't get to serve yourself, but have to line up at the bar. If you go, don't let the women at the reception desk give you locker #30! It's right at the entrance to the locker room and too many people are constantly passing by. I actually didn't mind the train rides out there. It's only 9.35 euros roundtrip and takes only about 20 minutes.

2. Artemis - now why do number 1 and number 2 have to be in different cities??? Figures! Well, I wouldn't say that Artemis was either the best or the worst in terms of facilities, but I did like a number of the girls there who were quite friendly and good performers. Although, on average, the girls at Artemis did not perform as well as the ones at Oase who were, for me anyway, without exception GFE and/or PSE providers. But, I did like Artemis well enough that I would return. Found some real gems in there [really drilled it to a blonde, Polish girl (Shauna) in the butt and a Hungarian girl (Timaya) swallowed my baby batter].

3. The Palace - now, this place is rightly called a palace since I found that it had the nicest, most lavish facilities overall. Some of the rooms were just exceptional, and the facilities are quite spacious and comfortable and open I found. Here again, one cannot serve oneself at meal times, but at least Palace has a nice cafeteria set-up, as opposed to Oase where you have to stand at the damn bar to get served! The one area where there was a bit of a let down was with the overall quality of the girls. The line-up just was not as good as at Oase or Artemis. That said, there were still some stunners to be found. A gorgeous, gorgeous blonde babe from the Czech Republic made me sperm in her mouth. Then she sat there just looking at me . . . my spunk in her mouth and on her perfect teeth. Only thing woulda made it better is if she had swished that stuff around before spitting it into that hand towel!

4. Mainhattan - this is a relatively new place that has some potential. The main thing they need is just a better and stronger line-up of girls. The talent pool here was far, far weaker than what I found at Palace even. A lot of Bulgarians and Romanians. I have had very good luck with Romanians, but have always been on guard with Bulgarians because they seem to have the worst reputations in Europe for promising the moon, and then underperforming or trying to rip you off. Unfortunately, that has been my one and only experience with a Bulgarian too. I saw a chick at Mainhattan who looked kinda cute. Think she went by "Stella". She was gonna try to charge me 200 euros for 30 minutes of sex with a BBBJ, a massage, and anal! Told her no fuckin' way was I paying that for 30 minutes of work! I mean, how good could it have all been anyway in just 30 friggin' minutes?! Guys, make sure you know what the going rates are! Needless to say, Stella did nothing to make me feel comfortable with dealing with a Bulgarian. I settled on a cute little Hungarian instead. Already wrote about her, so won't do it again here.

I know that a lot of guys swear by World, but I didn't get to make it out there. But hey I will be back! And when I come back, doing a tour of World will be an absolute must! The FKKs of Germany are great!

[The Cane]

There are a few at Oase near Frankfurt. I can recommend Stephanie from experience: early 30s, dyed blonde but naturally brown hair. Arguably her most notable features are her large, luscious breasts and ass. I can still remember how I spotted them all the way from across the pool the first time I saw her.

I am able to confirm that there are a handful of Colombianas at Oase. Spoke with both "Meleria" (sounds like the disease!) and Stephanie. Yeah, that Stephanie has one nice onion booty and a potty mouth! I got along quite well with her (being able to speak her language helped) and decided to go for a session when she told me how much she likes it in the ass. Wasn't gonna pass up a rare chance to stick it to a Colombiana in the butt!

I told Stephanie I wanted her to talk dirty to me . . . to tell me in English that she wanted me to fuck her asshole . . . she kept sayin,' "Fuck my aschhoe! Fuck my aschoe! Fuck me in aschoe!" I love the way the latinas mispronounce "asshole" and she had me hard as a rock. After some voracious BBBJ Stephanie got on all fours and I pushed into her . . . eeerrr . . . "aschoe" doggy style. That Colombiana cornhole was nice and tight and a good fit. Gave us both joy as I went deep, deep, deeeeeep up in there! LOL!

Decided to pull out and go for missionary anal, and that's where things went a little downhill. You see, when I pulled out there was a strong smell of doody in the air! Yuck! I got into her anal cavity missionary-style, but the stench was killing the mood. So, Stephanie gets a handtowel and takes the condom off and starts slobberin' on my dick again! Then another condom on, and she takes a reverse cowgirl buttfuck with me beatin' up on that "culo gordo" (phat ass) with my hands. I mean she was just rammin' it up in there! Hoppin' up and down and shit! Whack, whack, WHACK!!!

The smell dissipated mostly, and I was able to get fully back into it what was going down. Or rather, up and down! Only, didn't seem like I was gonna cum in Stephanie's A-hole, so I told her I wanted some pussy. She took my dick out of her asshole and removed the condom and started sucking again like a flood victim ain't had no food in days! Another condom goes on and I banged the daylights out of her till I finally creamed. All the while nothin' but dirty talk in English and Spanish coming from the mouths of both of us.

Now, I was prepared to give this girl a thumbs up all the way until I smelled her poo. I guess I would still recommend her for a being a hot fuck. Just don't plan on "shanking" her asshole cuz if it happened to me, good chance it will happen to you too! I mean, I always say that when you fuck as many girls in the ass as I do, then you're bound to have to take a little shit every once in a while. It's a part of the cost of doing business. At the same time, when something like that happens to me with a girl, although I might bone her proper again, I will never, ever cornhole her again ever! I mean damn! If you're gonna hang up an open for business sign on your butthole girl, then at least take the time to make sure you've flushed out your trap door first!

[Milktrayman]

I am considering a visit to this FKK and am thinking of flying in on a Tuesday and getting to the Club at around opening time, staying through to closing before returning to the airport.

Excuse my ignorance but are there any problems that experienced punters have found with this approach? Can I expect to eat reasonably well at the Club from 1100 - 0400 ?

Can anyone tell me how much a taxi is each way from Frankfurt Airport to the Palace and then back?

I thought that for such a quick visit I would not bother with a Hotel room that I would not use for more than a few hours.

[Breadman]

Can anyone tell me how much a taxi is each way from Frankfurt Airport to the Palace and then back?


I think you'd be much better off grabbing the train at the airport to the main train station downtown...then grabbing a taxi from there. If im not mistaken, there's only one train departing from the airport...and it only goes to the main train station.

[WiseGuy97]

Excuse my ignorance but are there any problems that experienced punters have found with this approach? Can I expect to eat reasonably well at the Club from 1100. 0400?

Can anyone tell me how much a taxi is each way from Frankfurt Airport to the Palace and then back?

I thought that for such a quick visit I would not bother with a Hotel room that I would not use for more than a few hours.[/QUOTE]Food: Yes. You should be OK when comes to food.

Taxi: about EUR30 each way.

Have fun.

[Woof Woof]

If im not mistaken, there's only one train departing from the airport...and it only goes to the main train station.

Not true. There are 4-5 trains going from the airport that pass through FFM Hbf (central railway station) on their way to different destinations. There's the ICE but also the S-bahn lines S8, S9 and another RE line whose number I forgot. I've ridden them all over the years.

[Vitrea]

FKK experts: How is the girl availability during the last week of the year? I am especially interested in FKK situation. Are the places busier during holidays or do the girls leave and go home for the holidays? I am considering going to either FRA or VIE for a couple of days during the week after Christams. Please advice.

Thank you all

[Junky11]

Why do the FKK clubs insists that customers be naked? OASE's website says you have to go naked. Are they all like this?

[Angus Magee]

fkk experts: how is the girl availability during the last week of the year? i am especially interested in fkk situation. are the places busier during holidays or do the girls leave and go home for the holidays? i am considering going to either fra or vie for a couple of days during the week after christams. please advice.

thank you all

you know that perhaps you have been an isg member too long when the first "how are the fkks over christmas" question becomes a harbinger of the changing seasons as sure as the first robin spotted, the first crocus peeking its' head above the earth or the first frost. as i said this week at the supermarket upon spottong a distinctly christmasy pile of cookies and candies-it's fucking september, can't we do halloween first!!!

but i know, some need to plan well in advance. if you go to any fkk thread, the bigger ones, and go back to say, late november or december and have a short scroll trough, endless discussion & questions on this matter dissecting the pros and cons of the post xmas pre nye visit.

briefly-not the best time to go for stellar line ups. can be okay if you want a laid back session with a girl hanging around for the season. some say the girls try harder due to lack of business. there are many differing opinions.

am

[Tiradentes]

Why do the FKK clubs insists that customers be naked? OASE's website says you have to go naked. Are they all like this?


The girls must be naked, not the guys. Guys are handed bathrobes or towels in the cheaper spots.

Although last saturday at FKK Oasis, there was an old crazy guy walking naked. Grossed out everybody. That wasn't you by any chance?

[Basketcase]

FKK experts: How is the girl availability during the last week of the year? I am especially interested in FKK situation. Are the places busier during holidays or do the girls leave and go home for the holidays? I am considering going to either FRA or VIE for a couple of days during the week after Christams. Please advice.

Thank you all
Vitrea,

Some clubs are open on Christmas Day too!!!

But not Christmas Eve or Silvester. So sad.

Some of my good friends insist that going in between Christmas and New Years is a great time to go and so this year I am going finally with them. I did book my leave and my arrangements too.

My colleagues have been doing in between Christmas and New Years for years. Yes, the line ups are not like it is during the Automechanika messe in FRA but there is still decent number of girls since many girls even if they are Hungarian, Romanian or Polish do live locally and so working after Christmas is just like you go to the office or factory for you.

So what you will find is that it is mainly German girls and the "Germanised" in the club and also the desperate girls that could not make enough money to go home and have to keep working. I know one or two girls that fly in especially during this period since it is their down time and they may as well make money in that down time.

The guys who I know that go after Christmas all insist it is a relaxing time and the line ups have enough selection to keep one happy. I mean how many hookers do you need to fuck? I only need maybe 3-4 selection of my favourites to get me through the day.

On the other hand some senior members say that they would not go to the clubs after Christmas even if someone paid them to go since it is depressing to see the hookers feeling like they are forced to work (by their control or manager?) since they cannot go home. Then also note that many other senior members say do not give damn what other senior members think and do what you think you want to do. As such not be put off what you plan just because a senior member said it was not a good idea.

[SvenFKK]

Some clubs are open on Christmas Day too!!!

But not Christmas Eve or Silvester. So sad.None?

I hang out mainly in the Partytreff. Some Partytreffs are definitely open Christmas Eve. In fact, Christmas Eve 2008 I visited a Partytreff. Things are slower, and there are fewer girls to compensate, but the girl-to-punter ratio is probably better. (This is probably more important at a Partytreff, especially if one wants more than one girl at a time.)

Certainly SOME FKK clubs are open on Christmas Eve or Silvester (New Year's Eve).

[Vitrea]

Vitrea,

Some clubs are open on Christmas Day too!!!

But not Christmas Eve or Silvester. So sad.



Thank you Basketcase and AM as well. You guys helped me make my decision. FKK it is. My plan is to go during the weekdays between Christmas and NYE so I am not worried about closures. I might try Vienna though....

Yes AM, I plan waay ahead. I am booking my tickets this weekend :-)

[Big30]

Certainly SOME FKK clubs are open on Christmas Eve or Silvester (New Year's Eve).

Which FKK-Clubs are open you think on Christmas Eve or Silvester?

[Junky11]

The girls must be naked, not the guys. Guys are handed bathrobes or towels in the cheaper spots.

Although last saturday at FKK Oasis, there was an old crazy guy walking naked. Grossed out everybody. That wasn't you by any chance?

No not me. I saw this on the FKK Oasis website FAQ:

I am embarrassed to walk around naked inside the club. Can I keep my clothes on?

Sorry, but that’s not possible. But nobody must be embarrassed. Everyone is here to relax and nobody will be looked upon condescendingly.

[Big30]

No not me. I saw this on the FKK Oasis website FAQ:



Yes that is indeed written on the Oase (not Oasis :)) website. It is not true.
Actually a lot of things that are written are not true!

The dress code in a real FKK is a towel not a bathrobe. This is also called a Hessen Dress.

B30

[Journeyfree]

Why do the FKK clubs insists that customers be naked? OASE's website says you have to go naked. Are they all like this?The way my German girlfriend explains it, FKK is a naturalist lifestyle...ie nudists. This may explain the nudist tendencies. Also, she is unaware that it is in any way related to p4p which seems to agree with wikipedia description. But then again, she's been living abroad for almost a decade since finishing her college education.

Here's the wikipedia link for FKK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?search=Fkk

"Freikörperkultur (FKK) is a German movement whose name translates to Free Body Culture. It endorses a naturistic approach to sports and community living. Behind that is the joy of the experience of nature or also on being nude itself, without direct relationship to sexuality. The followers of this culture are called traditional naturists, FKK'ler, or nudists."

Jf

[Slimmest Shady]

Is there a list of which clubs have dessous on which days?

Naked is great but sometimes having the lingerie adds a little bit more to the fun.

Will be there for a week and would like to mix it up a little with some dessous.

[Hessen Bub]

OK, here we go again. Dessous days:

Palace: Wednesday
Oase:Thursday
World: Tuesday
Paradise: Wednesday
Mainhattan: Wednesday

On Dec 24 last year Paradise was open. 20 girls, 80 desperate men. All Hessen clubs are closed on 24 and 31.

HB

[Ratta]

I know that the girls in the large clubs (World, Oase, Freude 39) are (required to be) nude at all times. Are there any smaller and cheaper clubs in the NRW/Hessen area with nude girls? Or at least topless? Lingerie Must Die!

[Basketcase]

On Dec 24 last year Paradise was open. 20 girls, 80 desperate men. All Hessen clubs are closed on 24 and 31.
Damn, I did not know Paradise was open on Christmas Eve. I booked to come on 26 December. If I knew Paradise was open on 24 December then I could have come 24 December and gone to a club on 25 December too. I now miss two days of FKK. So sad.

[Eros74]

...gone to a club on 25 December too...

But you can this year too or am I wrong ? Last year I went to World on 25 december at 15:00 and at Oase on 26 december.

I did not find 80 girls, but so far as I try to go to one hour 2x, 30-35 girls are more than enough for me.

If I will get couple of days of holiday, with hope there will not much snow in the autobahn, I plan to do the same even this Xmas, I just cannot wait to have such a different-special-sexy Xmas :D

[Basketcase]

But you can this year too or am I wrong ? Last year I went to World on 25 december at 15:00 and at Oase on 26 december.

I did not find 80 girls, but so far as I try to go to one hour 2x, 30-35 girls are more than enough for me.

If I will get couple of days of holiday, with hope there will not much snow in the autobahn, I plan to do the same even this Xmas, I just cannot wait to have such a different-special-sexy Xmas :D
Lukasek,

I already did book my arrangements for arrival on 26 December and not for arrival on 24 December. I did have the choice of 24 or 26 December but thought coming on 24 December when no clubs were open and also spending Christmas Eve in a hotel and then Midnight Mass in a local church is not the best for me spiritually. Now I find that Paradise may be open on 24 December so I could spend Christmas Eve at Paradise before moving to Hessen or Nord Rhein Westfalen for the clubs that do open Christmas day. On 26 December I think all the clubs are pretty much open so you have better choice that day.

I did one year spend Midnight Mass in Salzburg in Austria but when I was there I did not know about club Babylon.

I only expect maybe 30-50 girls in the club during that period of Christmas and just after Christmas. This year the days after Christmas day is Sunday, Monday and Tuesday so not only is it the festive period but it is the beginning of the week and so there will be even less girls around.

Yes, it is likely that there is snow on the ground and that we will need snow tyres for the rental car.

Yes, I hope for a sexy Christmas too for me.

[Eros74]

Basketcase,

sorry it was my fault, I did not understand well or read too quickly your post.

Yes, snow tyres are a must from november to january, cause even if there is no snow, they are much better than the normal tyres when temperature go down +6C.

The good side ot the week after Xmas is that there are not many customers, so as happened to me last year, I had the feeling there was a private party at World and Oase and it was easy to have access at all the facilities. On 26 december for almost all the day the jacuzzi at Oase was free with nobody inside, the same to get normal massage, not much time to wait for.

P.S. please delete some PM ;)

[Basketcase]

Basketcase,

sorry it was my fault, I did not understand well or read too quickly your post.

Yes, snow tyres are a must from november to january, cause even if there is no snow, they are much better than the normal tyres when temperature go down +6C.

The good side ot the week after Xmas is that there are not many customers, so as happened to me last year, I had the feeling there was a private party at World and Oase and it was easy to have access at all the facilities. On 26 december for almost all the day the jacuzzi at Oase was free with nobody inside, the same to get normal massage, not much time to wait for.
Lukasek,

Okay, I book my rental car with snow tyres for my sojourn in Germany at Christmas time. Snow tyres do cost more euro.

I remember last year at the Christmas party at World which was pre-Christmas that at 00:30 it did snow real hard and the Youppies and I just decided to stay put until closing to see if the snow cleared up. Luckily I did not have far to drive for my sleeping berth.

I like the clubs when they are quiet for mens. You can use the swimming pool, the saunas the whirl pool and so forth without needing to concern for other naked mens in there making you feel gay or like homo. It is like your very own club personal for your own use since there is no one there. Couple that with some of your favourite girls that are not busy so they are on tap for when you want to go with them then you have a winning combination:

1. Quiet club for mens so you can enjoy the facilities with impunity; and

2. a selection of beautiful favourite hookers that you do not need to fight tooth and nail with other mens to book for the public sex in the cinema or the room.

I think when the club is quiet I do more public sex than when it is evening and the club is busier. I do most of my public sex in the morning or early afternoon.

Although at the Oase summer christmas party I did have public sex in the evening in the cinema at the front mattresses and the German Fuckers did see me get sucked and fuck a hooker for over half a hour there for foreplay. When I came out to go to the room to finish up in a room the German fuckers had gathered at the bar and they did give me high fives from each one of them as I walked pass with my booked hooker. It was funny. They all had been watching me getting my schwanz sucked by this girl on her knees. They could see it all since I was in plain view of everyone since I was up high on the mattress.

[Basketcase]

Yes AM, I plan waay ahead. I am booking my tickets this weekend :-)
Vitrea and Angus Magee,

I did already book my tickets on 6 September so I also planning "waay ahead" too. I did think it be nice to be in the clubs.

[Slimmest Shady]

OK, here we go again. Dessous days:

Palace: Wednesday
Oase:Thursday
World: Tuesday
Paradise: Wednesday
Mainhattan: Wednesday

On Dec 24 last year Paradise was open. 20 girls, 80 desperate men. All Hessen clubs are closed on 24 and 31.

HB


Thanks so much. Getting in on a Sunday evening. Any Sunday favourites? Or should I wait for Monday? I have the whole week.

[Hessen Bub]

A girl at Mainhattan told me that its quite busy on Sundays.

HB

[Hessen Bub]

Any other suggestions for other ladies with braces?? ANy suggestions deeply appreciated.

At Mainhattan on Friday there was a very beautiful young slim girl with short dark hair and big brown eyes. She wore braces. Could not even talk to her as some old guy bought her drinks and blocked her for ages.

HB

[Blourghus]

At Mainhattan on Friday there was a very beautiful young slim girl with short dark hair and big brown eyes. She wore braces. Could not even talk to her as some old guy bought her drinks and blocked her for ages.

HB

Hey HB I was actually at Mainhattan on Saturday!! I did look at all of the girls teeth. But couldn't find one with braces. Now I'm curious who this one one. I wonder if it was one I missed or maybe one who just wasn't there on Friday. I did get with a petite dark-skinned lady named Samantha. No braces (no need) but she said she was from Hungary although really dark skinned and looked African or maybe half. She didn't speak much English so I couldn't get the story on her background. Curious if anybody knows. Really cutie pie and sweetie.

Also curious about the comment "bought her drinks and blocked her for ages" - didn't know you could do this!!! I can never get the ladies to sit with me more than a few minutes before they drag me to the room. What's the secret?

I did find the photo of Alice @ Palace (on Friday). I asked another lady who was in the photo and she confirmed it was Alice but that she was away on holiday. Bad timing I guess.

I did find the legendary Magda @ Bernd's - really really world class lady - total dream come true. One of the best sessions of all time.
Thanks everybody for all the info - really appreciate it. I will look for these others ones on my next visit.

[Angus Magee]

Hi Guys,

A new feature just added o Angus' blog-Ask Angus. The chance to ask questions of me and receive answers. More details on the blog.

http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=429

AM

[DuffyDuck]

I will be in Stuttgart tomorrow and I would be very happy if anyone can provide some info on which is the best club in Stuttgart.

Thanks a lot!

[Nille Copenhagen]

I will be in Stuttgart tomorrow and I would be very happy if anyone can provide some info on which is the best club in Stuttgart.

Thanks a lot!Looking for girls or boys ? LOL

http://www.vivasauna.de/

http://www.the-paradise.de/

A bit far from Stuttgart in Augsburg

http://www.fkk-colosseum.de/

[Hessen Bub]

I will be in Stuttgart tomorrow and I would be very happy if anyone can provide some info on which is the best club in Stuttgart.

Paradise, no question. It's slower than the Hessen clubs. But still good. Look for Mavi, Romanian blonde with enhanced C-cup-tits, long blonde hair and great service.

HB

[Hessen Bub]

Hey HB I was actually at Mainhattan on Saturday!! I did look at all of the girls teeth. But couldn't find one with braces. Now I'm curious who this one one. I wonder if it was one I missed or maybe one who just wasn't there on Friday. I did get with a petite dark-skinned lady named Samantha. No braces (no need) but she said she was from Hungary although really dark skinned and looked African or maybe half. She didn't speak much English so I couldn't get the story on her background. Curious if anybody knows. Really cutie pie and sweetie.

Samantha from Hungary was working Atlantik in Hanau before. She's a real outperformer in the room, did lose some weight when doing her for ages. She's only 150cm small, but try her, you will not be disappointed.

HB

[Nille Copenhagen]

Hi,

I've just found a video-reportage from RTL, about a travel company that arranges sex travel to Oase, Palace and Paradise.
The tour guide, she looks hot!

The video shows the Club Paradise from the inside and some of the girls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvKQCW4c3ZE&feature=player_embedded#!

IMO, the travel offer is not expensive if you are a newbie to the German FKK scene. Everything is taken care of for you, you just show up and fuck.

I have never seen the sex-token/coins you get from tour guide, I'll ask some of the girls from Oase/Palace next time, if they knew about the token/coins.

PS: I'm not getting any money for saying this.

Cheers,

Nille

[Euro100]

I will be in Stuttgart tomorrow and I would be very happy if anyone can provide some info on which is the best club in Stuttgart.

Thanks a lot!

FKK Paradise. Here is what you can expect: http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1058825

enjoy ... and then POST
euro

[Jerboa]

Hi,

I've just found a video-reportage from RTL, about a travel company that arranges sex travel to Oase, Palace and Paradise.
The tour guide, she looks hot!

The video shows the Club Paradise from the inside and some of the girls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvKQCW4c3ZE&feature=player_embedded#!

IMO, the travel offer is not expensive if you are a newbie to the German FKK scene. Everything is taken care of for you, you just show up and fuck.

I have never seen the sex-token/coins you get from tour guide, I'll ask some of the girls from Oase/Palace next time, if they knew about the token/coins.

PS: I'm not getting any money for saying this.

Cheers,

Nille

It's about guided tours of fkk clubs, some guys have no hope lol, cost €1690 for 2 day trip!

[Nille Copenhagen]

It's about guided tours of fkk clubs, some guys have no hope lol, cost €1690 for 2 day trip!Including 10xfuck, hotel, transports and flight.

Personally I would never go on a guided tour, but for newbies is a good deal, if you don't dare to go by your own and be eaten alive by sharks at the FKK Palace.

[Angus Magee]

Thought I would speak up on this one. I do so in the general info thread as it is more a general topic.

For me the naming of girls and list making is of limited use. I say limited, not completely useless. Of course it is always good to have a bit of intel harvested from the various forums. To rely totally on this intel seems fool hardy and ignores the fact that the map is not the territory. This forum has some very good list makers. I am glad they are there. I am also glad that not every post contains lists. It would be then too much information.

I am also of the opinion that forums, the forums I like and where I stick around, are mostly self policing. The mods are there, they keep watch but are pretty much invisible. Some threads on this board need more moderation & attention. Some threads need constant policing. Maybe it has to do with the the areas of the world spoken about in those threads. They are the wild west of threads and the sherif must keep a high profile.

Here in the German threads we are pretty good with the self policing. Posters are pretty responsible and aside from the occasional flame out we are civilized. I like it this way. I would not be happy if we started introducing more rules. The society I want to encourage has less rules, more self responsibility. I do not expect it to be so over night, as long as it moves in that direction I am happy. If I am not happy, that is my problem and I will not suggest rules to make me happier.

Why take care of the reports you write? It gives you a better reputation, some “cred”. Other members see this. Sometimes members who are not prolific posters yet visit the clubs and have valuable tips to share. These gents may well contact you if you announce a visit. The info you get from them can make for a stellar evening at one of the clubs. Simply put, you reap what you sow.
So I for one am not in favor of making the whole posting process more complicated by making all these separate threads, some with names, some with more general info. We have that already and it works well as far as I can see. I am an intelligent human being. I read what interests me and pass by the rest. I have my own filters. In the end though I do try to read as much as possible. It is often in throw away posts that I notice some little tidbit that helps me somehow. I don’t read them all, but I try. Even in life I find this to be so and listen, as much as I am able, to everyone. Important information can use the unlikeliest of messengers to reach me. Some of my best teachers have been complete idiots. If I ignore them, often, an even bigger idiot shows up to try to get me to listen.

As for my reports-they are likely to get a wee less personal giving less specific details of which girls I see. I do not say that the names will disappear entirely, but way less. Why? Just because that is the direction in which I am going. Of course I can still be contacted privately. If we meet in a club I appreciate any tips you have and will certainly give any I have. But I want to concentrate on writing information that has a wider application, not just which girl does what well. This has become boring for me.

AM

[Jerboa]

Including 10xfuck, hotel, transports and flight.

Personally I would never go on a guided tour, but for newbies is a good deal, if you don't dare to go by your own and be eaten alive by sharks at the FKK Palace.

And Included In that fee does one of the guides guide their dick Into the pussy? lol, honestly If they can't get laid In a brothel on their own then they have problems.

[Ortos]

Thought I would speak up on this one. I do so in the general info thread as it is more a general topic.

For me the naming of girls and list making is of limited use... AM


It's nice to get this discussion in the General section, instead of cluttering up some club's thread with this important, yet general topic.

Personally, I love the lists and find them of great importance. For me they are like a newpaper that day/week of who was there and I can make my own individual assessment of the line-up that week. It helps me keep in touch and balance my woefull feeling of not being at the club.

Some of us, although we have been to, say, Oase dozens of times and have accumulated a list of "girlfriends" (i.e. girls with whom we think we click and have had what we think of as "gfe" sessions) that runs long, still don't get to the club very often...maybe making three to four trips a year maximum. So these lists help us see whether our favourite love-for-an-hour girls are still there.

Now imagine this: Suppose you were to take one of BC's lists, like the one he just posted about the Automechnica Messe in FFM on the Oase thread:


FKK OASE
LINE UP LIST DURING THE AUTOMECHANIKA MESSE 2010

1. Adelina (ro) friendly and always smiley
2. Adriana / Linda (cz)
3. Agnes (pl) black haired, full body
4. Agnieszka (pl) tall, slim, small breasted
5. Aida (ro) blond from FKK World
6. Aida (ro) small bust Blond the original one
7. Alex (hu) Blond
8. Alexandra (ro) Blond
9. Alexandra (ro) black
10. Alexandra (bg) black with blue livery and hygiene issues
11. Alicia (pl) fun to talk to, appreciates the little things now I know her better
12. Alina (ro)
13. Amanda (ro) tiny
14. Ambra / Rafaella (ro) recalling an affectionate moment at the bar with sweet hugs and kisses after some light touches. It was 01:00, so it was late. She may have been exhausted. It got emotional. Ambra excused herself and dashed off.
15. Rebecca Ramona (ro) B
16. Angie (ro) so cute, always in a denim skirt
17. Annabelle (de)
18. Anya (pl) tall bust Blond
19. Anya (ro) black hair
20. Barbie (hu)
21. Bianca (ro) little B NEW cute
22. Bianca (ro) tiny light brown
23. Cassandra (ro) slim, black hair, friendly now, spent ages with her
24. Claudia (Bg) blue cloth slim dark
25. Claudia (br) blond tanned, big breasted
26. Claudia (ro) Helen Bonham Carter look, relaxed
27. Crystal (ro) light brown friend slim gorgeously pretty NEW and new to the job. Friends with Sheila (ro)
28. Desi (mk) affectionate
29. Diana (?) Black
30. Emmanuelle (Guadeloupe)
31. Francesca (ro) blond, nice body, wears denim skirt, you must be firm with her when booking her
32. Gabriella (vz)
33. Guita (hu) black hair
34. Hanna (cz) blond...



Imagine if you were to print that on a separate thread as a template and any member here could add comments to each entry. We could all flesh out the descriptions and attach details each one of us knows. Not just things like: "she gives a great bbbj" or "her bbbj is toothy," but also things like "watch out for this one: she tries to rip you off with the clock...", etc. Then these lists could take on a life of their own, and become very, very dynamic. A sort of encyclopedia of Oase at the moment...

On the other hand, maybe this is not such a good idea: The lists would become to inflated with information, and some guys would call a given girl a "true goddess of sex and erotiscm" whilst others would say "she is a complete opti-fuck..." Oh well...


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[Basketcase]

Here in the German threads we are pretty good with the self policing. Posters are pretty responsible and aside from the occasional flame out we are civilized. I like it this way. I would not be happy if we started introducing more rules. The society I want to encourage has less rules, more self responsibility. I do not expect it to be so over night, as long as it moves in that direction I am happy. If I am not happy, that is my problem and I will not suggest rules to make me happier.
Agreed. Keep it civilised and the reports responsibly done. Constructive comments is welcome.


Sometimes members who are not prolific posters yet visit the clubs and have valuable tips to share. These gents may well contact you if you announce a visit. The info you get from them can make for a stellar evening at one of the clubs. Simply put, you reap what you sow.
I agree here. The ocassional poster and report writers bring fresh insight and intel overlooked by others. This is great stuff and keeps the threads vibrant.

Too much criticising and jibes makes these writers not post at all and we lose a piece of this forum. John Moore on the Oase thread said he was not posting any of his long reports since he was put off by all the discussion on what can go into a report and what must not be in a report. Now he says with the support of some of us here that he will report now regardless of the critics.

I am glad he said that since we must be reminded that the criticism stops people writing lest they think their report is not good enough when actually it is perfectly fine.


It is often in throw away posts that I notice some little tidbit that helps me somehow. I don’t read them all, but I try. Even in life I find this to be so and listen, as much as I am able, to everyone. Important information can use the unlikeliest of messengers to reach me. Some of my best teachers have been complete idiots. If I ignore them, often, an even bigger idiot shows up to try to get me to listen.
You are quite right about the throwaway comment in posts or reports. There is something in just about any post. As Ortos says in the Oase thread, the people that criticise other people's posts still read the criticised reports anyway since they are afraid that maybe there is some tidbit of information that they may miss.

It feels like they still end up criticising so it is indifferent if you do or you do not. It goes that we must take the good with the bad.


As for my reports-they are likely to get a wee less personal giving less specific details of which girls I see. I do not say that the names will disappear entirely, but way less. Why? Just because that is the direction in which I am going. Of course I can still be contacted privately. If we meet in a club I appreciate any tips you have and will certainly give any I have. But I want to concentrate on writing information that has a wider application, not just which girl does what well. This has become boring for me.
Angus Magee, I think I am going the same way myself in my reports with regard to names in reports now that you mention your rationale although the reasons for me are more to do with being pushed to it by recent incidents rather than personally pulled factors. I am glad that you said this.

As you say, our intel is still there but we will use it more selectively. Like you, I am always happy to share my information when with other guests in the club.

[Hessen Bub]

I do still vote for a new structure. A forum for each club and a thread for each girl. Including a thread for each club with information about the club, directions, hotels etc.

Like ALL German boards are structured. I f****** hate the one-thread-per-club-structure.

HB

[Capt Dan]

I do still vote for a new structure. A forum for each club and a thread for each girl. Including a thread for each club with information about the club, directions, hotels etc.

Like ALL German boards are structured. I f****** hate the one-thread-per-club-structure.

HB
I agree with you on this one HB. The structure of the German and Dutch forums is in my oppinion for superior to what is happening on ISG.

Of course the difference is that these German/Dutch Forums are dedicated to the FKK and Sauna Clubs scene, with many many members who regularly travel/visit and who report with up-to-date information from many clubs.

This Germany FKK Clubs Forum is but a small section within ISG, with only some members regularly visiting some of the clubs and reporting back with up-to-date information.

Despite the above issues, I still think that some improvements could be made here.

CD

[Breadman]

I do still vote for a new structure. A forum for each club and a thread for each girl. Including a thread for each club with information about the club, directions, hotels etc.

Like ALL German boards are structured. I f****** hate the one-thread-per-club-structure.

HB

Not sure you can do that with this format. Its possible but would Jackson make a change in just one of the forums?

[Big30]

Not sure you can do that with this format. Its possible but would Jackson make a change in just one of the forums?

Changing the structure of the Germany - FKK Clubs sub-forum to the desired structure is a task that can be performed in less than one minute.
Even with the very outdated version of v-bulletin that this forum is using, 3.0.6.

Most Fora are using versions 3.8.x or higher, some already 4.0.x.

Changing the forum structure for me is more a "nice to have", not a must. But adding some basic functionality as is standard on almost all other bulletin boards is something that I see as a must.
Why not use the standard text-editor with icons for bold, italics, insert picture etc.?

Big30

[Capt Dan]

Continued from the FKK Oase section...


I don't know what Captain Dan would say, but I for one advocate: Go with your first instinct. If you feel (or ever felt) like writing a report after a special FKK visit, but then have second thoughts because some "fellow members of the board" might not like it, you know what: Fuck them, and go with your first instict. Write the sucker the way you want; tell it from the heart, or even go further south...I totally agree with the above sentiments as expressed by Ortos, all posters should feel that their contribution is welcome on this forum.

I do feel that ideally the poster of a report should be thick skinned enough to cope with a certain level of constructive criticism or even good humoured (bad humoured even!) joshing. I do try and refrain from criticising the submissions of newbie members, unless their level of ignorance is absolutely flabbergasting! And particularly if they are seeking information which they could easily find for themselves simply by searching for and reading the information. Ideally, in my oppinion, a good forum would contain a section where "newbie" members can post free from criticism... or in certain circumstances a place where stupid questions can be ignored and not clutter up a forum.



But I also feel strongly: A report without specific names and descriptions is like Blood that ain't Red...At least tell us her Name, Hair Colour, General Physical Attributes, and correct nationality, for God's sake.

Sorry this is just my opinion. As an academic I lean towards precise data flow: If you're gonna write and post a report, at least be proud of your effort, and adhere to a sense of high standard. Give the reader the essential, basic data and allow the reader to get the full amount from your report. If you're gonna squeeze a lemon, get all the juice out of the fruit, at least....right?I see where you are coming from on the above points, and I would certainly agree that some of the best reports tend to supply an interesting level of detail which often will provide a description of the hookers available in any particular club.

However, I would concur with both Angus Magee and Basketcase in their oppinion that it is not absolutely necessary to include hooker details in a report. Good and interesting writing is worth reading, even without precise hooker details. I for one will continue to read AM's writings with or without these details. Likewise with BC, who provides a lot of detailed and useful information in his reports. I would miss BC's line-up lists though should he ever cease to post them!:(

In my oppinion anyone who wants to post a report whatever the content (or lack of content!) should go ahead and post.
The main thing is... don't be silent!

CD

[Mambomike]

If you will allow me to chime in, with perhaps a different, former newbie/rookie opinion on this issue, I offer a dissenting opinion.

As a newbie with a propective trip to FFM and NRW, I found the club discussion format to be most helpful, since I wasn't following or looking for a particular girl. The RODs with a running description of club entry, getting settled, girls sampled, and overall cost was very useful and would be lost on discussions of individual girls. I especially benefitted from the Top 10 of 2009 discussions, when I made a February visit. And when one of the Oase girls introduced herself as Michelle, I didn't think twice to let her break my FKK cherry.

Looking back, after six months, I pine to make a return visit and I again like the discussion dialogue in the RODs. I like hearing about someone else's experience with a girl I have known (18 different in five days) and their overall experience at a club, including the environment I enjoyed, perhaps from a differing perspective.

I think all this would be lost on a girl by girl thread re-organization.

Thanks for allowing my $0.02.



I do still vote for a new structure. A forum for each club and a thread for each girl. Including a thread for each club with information about the club, directions, hotels etc.

Like ALL German boards are structured. I f****** hate the one-thread-per-club-structure.

HB

[Hessen Bub]

The RODs with a running description of club entry, getting settled, girls sampled, and overall cost was very useful and would be lost on discussions of individual girls.

No, misunderstood. There wood be one three or four threads in EACH FKK forum for information about the club:

- website, pricing, location, opening hours
- description of the club
- line-up thread
- hotels, rental cars and directions

This will ADD structure to the board.

Have a look here:

All the forums on FKK clubs in Germany:
http://www.lustscout.to/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=7

FKK Palace

Website and General information:
http://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=44569

Club description:
http://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=47120

Line-Up:
http://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=24994

Reports (example):
http://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=23364

HB

[Capt Dan]

No, misunderstood. There wood be one three or four threads in EACH FKK forum for information about the club:

- website, pricing, location, opening hours
- description of the club
- line-up thread
- hotels, rental cars and directions

This will ADD structure to the board.I am in complete agreement with HB, this is a much better structure!

Also check out www.ijsberenforum.com (Dutch FKK Forum)

F*ck sake there are some clubs listed on ISG that have not been reported on since 2005 and have been closed for years! :eek:

[Hessen Bub]

It would also eliminate the same questions being asked over and over, sometimes every 10 posts you find sombody asking for:

- dessous day
- hotels
- directions
- pricing
- rental cars
- public transportation

Clear up the WORLD thread from these questions and 30% of the post will be gone.

HB

[Angus Magee]

i don't know, answering questions about the possibility of getting ass raped by gypsies in the westkreuz sbahn parking lot on the way to artemis kinda keeps me alert.

;)

am

for the record-i kind of like the current format. the format you suggest could work for me but i think it would need way more moderation which as far as i can tell jackson will not do. let's face it, it is a world sex guide and the german fkk & berlin threads are a small part of it. but hey, the discussion keeps things alive so everybody sign in with an opinion.

[Capt Dan]

For the record-I kind of like the current format. The format you suggest could work for me but I think it would need way more moderation which as far as I can tell Jackson will not do. Let's face it, it is a world sex guide and the German FKk & Berlin threads are a small part of it. But hey, the discussion keeps things alive so everybody sign in with an opinion.Angus, surely you can see that there is definite room for improvement in the Germany - FKK Clubs ISG sub-section. Even if it is done in such a way as to make moderation easy for Jackson. Even if the non-existant clubs were removed. They are listed as if they still exist like FKK Artemis, FKK World and FKK Oase, when in fact some of these clubs have been closed for years! Cleaning up this section would at least be a start! Keeping this part of the ISG Site in order can only be in Jackson's best interest.

[Toscana]

I thought Mambomike made some interesting points I hadn't considered before.

But I agree with Hessen Bub that the Lustscout structure would accommodate these concerns too.

I personally think the Lustscout structure is very good. Perfection would be close if Lustscout could assume the sensitivity and humour of Youppie's mods. Some of Lustscout's - with the honourable exception of the Bub of course - can unfortunately be hitleresque. For this reason I think carefully about writing on that forum any more, which is a bit stupid.

But when you consider that it took Iseeu (maybe others) months of coaxing Jackson to get ANY changes to the FKK threads about a year and a half ago, I suspect that all this structure discussion might be like pissing in the wind.

[Capt Dan]

But when you consider that it took Iseeu (maybe others) months of coaxing Jackson to get ANY changes to the FKK threads about a year and a half ago, I suspect that all this structure discussion might be like pissing in the wind.
Unfortunately, Toscana's words ring very true!

[Angus Magee]

Angus, surely you can see that there is definite room for improvement in the Germany - FKK Clubs ISG sub-section. Even if it is done in such a way as to make moderation easy for Jackson. Even if the non-existant clubs were removed. They are listed as if they still exist like FKK Artemis, FKK World and FKK Oase, when in fact some of these clubs have been closed for years! Cleaning up this section would at least be a start! Keeping this part of the ISG Site in order can only be in Jackson's best interest.

Well I guess there is room for improvement. I just not sure that more forums, more detail on specific girls is it though. Maybe it is. I just have seen this sort of thing before in other areas of life where people think that changing the form will improve the experience. And this just is not so IME.

I would rather work on being able to drop into any club, with no intel, and still finding the best girl for me. This just seems more interesting than endlessly giving our opinions. What I like about a report like Toscana's recent Artemis three day opus id it gives the details you want plus it helps me to see how Toscana operates with the ladies. I can pick up tips from this that are not specific to certain ladies, rather it helps me in a larger sense.

When gathering intel it helps more to have ears on the ground than eyes in the sky, though having both is nice.

Truth be told I think we talk a bit at cross purposes. The role p4p plays/has played in my life is simply different for most and continues to be so, even more. For me it does have a recreational aspect but that is only one aspect. I also view a larger picture through the lens of p4p and FKK and see it as a fairly important part of my life. That is I am not there just to find out who gives the best bbbj or GFE. I also wish to learn something about Angus, who he is in relation to these women. You may well accuse me of taking the whole thing too seriously, people often have. But I have always done things this way, 100% until it is finished. That way, lying on my death bed, I will not (I hope, there is stuff I may have left unfinished) be thinking, what if....if only....

Hopefully I will be wondering, what next? Then again there are things I have walked away from unfinished, & things I never started. Maybe I pick some of them up again, or start something new. For now though this is it, my totality, my life, through & through.

Maybe we need a philosophy thread? Probably not.

AM

[Capt Dan]

Well I guess there is room for improvement. I just not sure that more forums, more detail on specific girls is it though. Maybe it is. I just have seen this sort of thing before in other areas of life where people think that changing the form will improve the experience. And this just is not so IME.

I would rather work on being able to drop into any club, with no intel, and still finding the best girl for me. This just seems more interesting than endlessly giving our opinions. What I like about a report like Toscana's recent Artemis three day opus id it gives the details you want plus it helps me to see how Toscana operates with the ladies. I can pick up tips from this that are not specific to certain ladies, rather it helps me in a larger sense.I do agree AM with your assertion that too much change will not necessarily improve the experience. I would not want to see any change to the standard forum (above the black line) threads i.e.

- General Info
- Travel Announcements Only
- Links to Reports of Distinction
- FKK FAQ
- Suggestions for FKKs to add to the Forum
- Photo Gallery
- Classified Ads

All of the above would remain the same.

I would see advantage in dividing the major FKK/Sauna Clubs (World, Oase, Palace, Artemis, GoldenTime & LivingRoom) into the following structure as originally suggested by member Hesen Bub.
If nothing else newbie members would be able to easily find basic information about the club. This would also have the advantage of cutting out very basic information requests which are repeatedly and irritatingly requested by newer members.

- website, pricing, location, opening hours
- description of the club
- line-up thread
- hotels, rental cars and directions

For the larger clubs (as mentioned above), I would sub-divide the line-up thread, into threads dedicated to a few of the more popular girls who give good service and who regularly attract a lot of positive comments.

I would also have a General Chat thread where any type of topic related to the particular club in question could be debated and discussed.

There are currently 40 threads devoted to particular FKK and Sauna Clubs. Of these 40 clubs, I would estimate that 20 are no longer in existance or are now never reported on. I would therefore only have 15 to 20 clubs listed as the main FKK/Sauna Clubs in Germany. I would list all other clubs which are occasionally visited and reported on by ISG members under the Other FKK Clubs thread.

The above might sound like a lot of change but in reality it is just a major tidy up excercise which in my humble oppinion is well due. Standard information about the clubs would be easy to find (for the newbies) and the senior members would in reality continue to use the forum in much the same manner as before.



Truth be told I think we talk a bit at cross purposes. The role p4p plays/has played in my life is simply different for most and continues to be so, even more. For me it does have a recreational aspect but that is only one aspect. I also view a larger picture through the lens of p4p and FKK and see it as a fairly important part of my life. That is I am not there just to find out who gives the best bbbj or GFE. I also wish to learn something about Angus, who he is in relation to these women. You may well accuse me of taking the whole thing too seriously, people often have. But I have always done things this way, 100% until it is finished. That way, lying on my death bed, I will not (I hope, there is stuff I may have left unfinished) be thinking, what if....if only....

Hopefully I will be wondering, what next? Then again there are things I have walked away from unfinished, & things I never started. Maybe I pick some of them up again, or start something new. For now though this is it, my totality, my life, through & through.

Maybe we need a philosophy thread? Probably not.I would humbly suggest that you are not alone insofar as p4p plays a major role in the lives of many of the senior members who number their visits to FKK and Sauna Clubs in the hundreds if not thousands. Yes indeed there is a recreational aspect to many of these visits, but for those who have actively persued this hobby for many years (myself included) it has in reality become a way of life. One wonders when (as you describe above) you (or I) lie on our deathbed; after all the time and money that we have spent in the persuit of our hobby (way of life), who will be with us to see us on our way and who will care that we have gone?

Perhaps this is of little consequence.

CD

[Angus Magee]

One wonders when (as you describe above) you (or I) lie on our deathbed; after all the time and money that we have spent in the persuit of our hobby (way of life), who will be with us to see us on our way and who will care that we have gone?

Perhaps this is of little consequence.



Well I could do worse in this scenario than a couple of my Artemis faves. One wonders though that they may want payment in advance.

;)

AM

[Nille Copenhagen]

Well I could do worse in this scenario than a couple of my Artemis faves. One wonders though that they may want payment in advance.

AMIs that why you pay first in bordellos, they risk you could die in their bed

Hehe, I often tell my faves, that when I die, I want to lie between her perfect boobs and die with a big smile on my face. LOL

I think the girls will get traumas if every monger dies the theirs arms.

Nille

[Breadman]

I did a little searching on the ISG (there are lots of sections to browse)...other europe destinations, south america, canada etc. What I found was the price in germany really is hard to beat (except for asia). My one and only (so far) run to the RDL set me back 25 euro's for a cbj and fuck...not a highlight, but an eye opener of what else is to be explored. My home turf is Canada, montreal and toronto as the two main destinations...but I haven't been back with the rates 3 to 4 times that of Germany.

[Ibn Buttita]

I see plenty of valid points about the Germany FKK structure, but I wonder if adjusting the way the FKK landscape is presented geographically could be a way to go (I recall reading posts from a very long time ago along these lines, and I second the push a while back by one member - was it Big30? - for getting more accurate with location names). My basic rationale for orienting the thread by geography: as a traveler, I’d like to know where the clubs in a certain region are; if I will be visiting a city, I’d like to know what clubs are available. This could be realized by organizing clubs by region (Land or combination of several where there are fewer clubs). Here’s an idea of what this kind of structure might look like:

NRW – Duesseldorf & vicinity – Living Room (Kaarst)
NRW – Duesseldorf & vicinity – Alcapulco (Velbert)
NRW – Cologne & vicinity – Samya (Koln)
NRW – Dutch Border – Goldentime (Bruggen)
NRW – Dutch Border – Villa Vertigo (Grefrath)
NRW – Dutch Border – Planet Happy Garden (Oedt)
Hessen – Frankfurt & vicinity – Palace (Frankfurt)
Hessen – Frankfurt & vicinity – Oase (Pohlheim)
Baden-Wuerttemburg – Paradise (Stuttgart)
Baden-Wuerttemburg – Flamingo Island (Ettlingen near Karlsruhe)

Other thoughts:

-- Instead of just one FKK Other Clubs thread, there could be one for each (major) geographical region, which would be more convenient for someone planning a trip to a particular area. So Hessen could have an Other Clubs thread where posts for places like FKK Shark and Mainhattan would reside, and so there would be less likelihood of postings for clubs in less FKK-heavy areas getting lost in the mix of NRW and Hessen clubs. Once some threshold is reached (maybe a certain number of posts about a club, say 15), a club could “graduate” to its own thread.

-- With the boundaries of FKKs, flatrate/Pauschalclubs, and partytreffs becoming so blurred (at least to my eyes), why not end the separation among them and fold them all under the appropriate geographical umbrellas – so a NRW section could include a Globe Leverkusen as well as Dolce Vita Duesseldorf? (I suspect that most visitors to one kind of club would be interested in at least trying the other kinds). Or the PT thread could mirror the geographic structure shown above.

-- Why not include some links to FKKs and similar clubs in the Teutonic world – like Vienna with Goldentime and Funpalast, Zurich with Globe and Dream, Dutch Roermond with Yin Yang (while on the topic, cities like Vienna and Zurich ought to have a separate FKK thread apart from the general one for their host city). This would expand the vision of the options out there for someone planning travel in Europe.

Just some musings of a traveler who likes to monger (or is it a mongerer who likes to travel) . . .

[Mambomike]

Well I guess there is room for improvement. I just not sure that more forums, more detail on specific girls is it though. Maybe it is. I just have seen this sort of thing before in other areas of life where people think that changing the form will improve the experience. And this just is not so IME.

I would rather work on being able to drop into any club, with no intel, and still finding the best girl for me. This just seems more interesting than endlessly giving our opinions. What I like about a report like Toscana's recent Artemis three day opus id it gives the details you want plus it helps me to see how Toscana operates with the ladies. I can pick up tips from this that are not specific to certain ladies, rather it helps me in a larger sense.


This is EXACTLY the aspect of a report that I was talking about. With a threaded review for each girl at a club, the report would miss what happens in between girls, how the reporter felt, why he made the choices he did, etc. etc.

For example, if I had made separate reports for Judith, Claudia, and Heidi at Oase, my report would have missed the why and how I chose who I did and some of the feelings I had as a result. I benefited from the same insights that others reported before me, whom I identified with their perspective.

As for the basic information about a club, this could easily be handled with sticky posts or threads on those subjects, although getting from FFM Airport to Oase is about as varied as there are sexual positions available once you get there.

I still prefer a beginning to end dialogue of a visit to be the most helpful to a newbie, although individual threads on particular girls would be most helpful for those with frequent fucker mileage (is that what FFM stands for?).

[Capt Dan]

This is EXACTLY the aspect of a report that I was talking about. With a threaded review for each girl at a club, the report would miss what happens in between girls, how the reporter felt, why he made the choices he did, etc. etc.
I would gladly do away with the idea of seperate threads for some of the better loved hookers in the larger FKK/Sauna Clubs,
if it meant that we could get some minor improvements around here! :mad:

Although lets face it there are copious raving reports each week about individual hookers and how great she is etc etc.
Also having seperate threads for particular prostitute praising would not mean that you cannot have a joined up report about a complete club visit.
Check out the Dutch and German boards (previously mentioned) to get an idea how this works.
Anyway, I am talking about improvements which will never happen.

What really irks me are the large number of clubs listed in the main Germany FKK section which either no longer exist or which are hardly ever reported on.
But I guess this is fine and dandy for some.
I guess most of the guys that read this forum at best will only get to FKK-Land a few times a year, perhaps only just a few times in their lifetime.
The organisation of this board is therefore not a major concern. :(

Anyway as Toscana said:
I suspect that all this structure discussion might be like pissing in the wind.

[Angus Magee]

October's Monger I admire is posted. Check who it is on the blog.

http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=465


AM

[Bukudala]

So, if one were to spend a "New Year's" at an FKK, where would your top five picks be? This year, New Year's fall on a Friday, that is New Year's Eve. Bernd's, or any of the fuck factories?

[Angus Magee]

So, if one were to spend a "New Year's" at an FKK, where would your top five picks be? This year, New Year's fall on a Friday, that is New Year's Eve. Bernd's, or any of the fuck factories?

Umm...I doubt that any would be open. You would have better luck on Christmas finding any paid sex venue open. The Germans take Silvester very seriously and nothing at all is open.

AM

[Starchild2012]

I would gladly do away with the idea of seperate threads for some of the better loved hookers in the larger FKK/Sauna Clubs,
if it meant that we could get some minor improvements around here! :mad:



Dan, Forget about it. I'm quite active on Philippines forum and we are facing the same issue. There are useless threads with last post around 2006 and has been reported countless times to remove the old threads and make new threads on PH forum as things have changed.

I don't think Jackson cares about it any more. He does not even reply or if group discussion is going on like this one..atleast come and drop by to say why he can't do it.

I guess he gets his yearly subscription fees and ads revenue and enjoys it in Argentina. No time for maintaining his site. good for him. He could just put a moderator for every country forum and let him handle that if he is too busy.

The best alternative would be to move to www.angusmagee.com. Angus loves what he does, is very active. I would gladly pay 20 USD or more to get the info from people who really cares about what they do. I really hope very soon angusmagee would have different sections of FKK and what we all desires and slowly expand it to other countries as well.

All this FKK thread has 10 or so members who contribute heavily and wants change. If they move on. This thread would be dead in few months. In this internet day and age...I don't think we need to put up with anything.

[Angus Magee]

This will go no where. I promise you that. Its time for an alternative.

Oh dear, not sure if I see Angus Magee as an alternative. It is a blog where I share my own personal experience & philosophy. Thus my energy & enthusiasm for it is, at the moment, pretty high. I certainly do not wish to take away anything from the forum as I feel it is of value. That you find it useful I am pleased & grateful. But please do not see it as an alternative for ISG.

I do sort of wonder what all the fuss is about. This forum, aside from a few possible tweaks, seems to work pretty well. If one wants to delve deeper there are the German forums. These are easily used even for the non German speaker with the help of a translator. Some it is even possible to share in English.

All I can say is whether or not Jackson cares or does not care I find his website to be one of the best self regulated (at least the Berlin & German FKK threads) on line communities in which I have participated. I would certainly be willing to contribute more if I could see where it was needed.

AM

[Ortos]

The best alternative would be to move to www.angusmagee.com. Angus loves what he does, is very active. I would gladly pay 20 USD or more to get the info from people who really cares about what they do. I really hope very soon angusmagee would have different sections of FKK and what we all desires and slowly expand it to other countries as well.




I really thing the ol' angusmagee is a great brand. I think he ought to market his own unique brand of condoms and massage oils. Hey, does anybody know where I can buy and AngusMagee T-shirt?

O

[Capt Dan]

OK Starchild2012 nice to get cross over input from another ISG member, who does not normally post in the Germany FKK Clubs forum.


I'm quite active on Philippines forum and we are facing the same issue. There are useless threads with last post around 2006 and has been reported countless times to remove the old threads and make new threads on PH forum as things have changed.Sorry to hear of your similar difficulties which I sense you find as annoying as I do. :mad: My biggest issue with the current situation is that it creates confusion, particularly amongst newer ISG members. Only the other day I noticed a post from a "newbie" who was confusing FKK Parksana Wildenrath (closed in 2009) with Park Sauna Residence in Bonn. This confusion is unneccessary and should be easily fixed by simply moving/removing threads which are now outdated.

I would rather work with the situation as it exists on ISG, as in fairness to this site, I'm not sure if I would have even heard of the German FKK/Sauna Club scene if it were not for ISG. I have travelled and explored in countries as far apart as the Czech Republic to Thailand and have used this site to my benefit. For that reason I would like to see it continually improve. I wish Jackson and this site well, but I have to agree that he should consider appointing a handful of moderators, who could actively advise on better ways to organise the forums.


The best alternative would be to move to www.angusmagee.com. Angus loves what he does, is very active. I would gladly pay 20 USD or more to get the info from people who really cares about what they do. I really hope very soon angusmagee would have different sections of FKK and what we all desires and slowly expand it to other countries as well.

All this FKK thread has 10 or so members who contribute heavily and wants change. If they move on. This thread would be dead in few months. In this internet day and age...I don't think we need to put up with anything.I definitely agree that Angus Magee is enthusiastic about our hobby (way of life!) BUT I don't believe that Angus is actively setting himself up in competition with ISG. Perhaps Angus is having a shot at becoming the German Sex Scene equivalent of what the Great Stickman is to Bangkok. Whatever he is trying to do with his blog, I wish him every success in this endeavour.

But lets be honest, the German FKK/Sauna Club scene is pretty much little known in the English Speaking World. The entire sex scene in Germany is not particularly well known outside of that country itself (with perhaps the exception of its immediate neighbours). Amsterdam and to a lesser extent Prague remain the supposed sex capitals of Europe. One can only hope that a blog about the Berlin/German sex scene will prosper in the English speaking world.

This is why we need ISG. It draws people from all parts of the World and provides all the ISG German Forums including the Germany FKK Clubs Forum with constant input from new members, some of whom will hopefully contribute as much as Angus Magee and others.



Oh dear, not sure if I see Angus Magee as an alternative. It is a blog where I share my own personal experience & philosophy. Thus my energy & enthusiasm for it is, at the moment, pretty high. I certainly do not wish to take away anything from the forum as I feel it is of value. That you find it useful I am pleased & grateful. But please do not see it as an alternative for ISG.We hear you Angus and wish you well. :cool:


I do sort of wonder what all the fuss is about. This forum, aside from a few possible tweaks, seems to work pretty well. If one wants to delve deeper there are the German forums. These are easily used even for the non German speaker with the help of a translator. Some it is even possible to share in English.BUT your comments dissappoint me. :( Surely this forum should be as good as it can possibly be? This ISG Germany FKK Clubs forum should endeavour to rival the best of the German/Dutch Forums. It should not be necessary for members to go elsewhere and use translators etc. At some point in the future competition will arrive. If you stand still in business, competitors will eventually pass you by. Jackson is not doing a bad job, but with the greatest of respect, he does need to mind the store.

I am not the first ISG member in the Germany FKK Clubs section to voice my oppinions on this subject. Many members have done this before. Senior members such as Iseeu, Toscana, Basketcase, Hessen Bub and perhaps Ortos who have been on this board for years and who have a complete knowledge of the main FKK and Sauna clubs in Germany (particulalry NRW and Hesse) would be ideal candidates to advise. Our esteemed proprietor Jackson is not without friends, who would be willing to contribute in any capacity, if called upon, yourself and myself included. My comments on this subject are at all times intended as constructive.

CD

[Starchild2012]

Oh dear, not sure if I see Angus Magee as an alternative. It is a blog where I share my own personal experience & philosophy. Thus my energy & enthusiasm for it is, at the moment, pretty high. I certainly do not wish to take away anything from the forum as I feel it is of value. That you find it useful I am pleased & grateful. But please do not see it as an alternative for ISG.

I do sort of wonder what all the fuss is about. This forum, aside from a few possible tweaks, seems to work pretty well. If one wants to delve deeper there are the German forums. These are easily used even for the non German speaker with the help of a translator. Some it is even possible to share in English.

All I can say is whether or not Jackson cares or does not care I find his website to be one of the best self regulated (at least the Berlin & German FKK threads) on line communities in which I have participated. I would certainly be willing to contribute more if I could see where it was needed.

AM

I wish you well Angus..I hope to read great reports in your blogs as usual with more videos hehehe





Sorry to hear of your similar difficulties which I sense you find as annoying as I do. My biggest issue with the current situation is that it creates confusion, particularly amongst newer ISG members. Only the other day I noticed a post from a "newbie" who was confusing FKK Parksana Wildenrath (closed in 2009) with Park Sauna Residence in Bonn. This confusion is unneccessary and should be easily fixed by simply moving/removing threads which are now outdated.

I would rather work with the situation as it exists on ISG, as in fairness to this site, I'm not sure if I would have even heard of the German FKK/Sauna Club scene if it were not for ISG. I have travelled and explored in countries as far apart as the Czech Republic to Thailand and have used this site to my benefit. For that reason I would like to see it continually improve. I wish Jackson and this site well, but I have to agree that he should consider appointing a handful of moderators, who could actively advise on better ways to organise the forums.

Yeah...I agree Dan...I also got really great info from ISG which made my travel easier to Thailand, Macau, Ph etc...I was thinking in a positive way that every forums needs to evolve with changing times....as you mentioned its all constructive ..we would all love to see ISG grow. thanks


I really thing the ol' angusmagee is a great brand. I think he ought to market his own unique brand of condoms and massage oils. Hey, does anybody know where I can buy and AngusMagee T-shirt?

May be at Artemis :)

[Angus Magee]

BUT your comments dissappoint me. :( Surely this forum should be as good as it can possibly be? This ISG Germany FKK Clubs forum should endeavour to rival the best of the German/Dutch Forums. It should not be necessary for members to go elsewhere and use translators etc. At some point in the future competition will arrive. If you stand still in business, competitors will eventually pass you by. Jackson is not doing a bad job, but with the greatest of respect, he does need to mind the store.

I am not the first ISG member in the Germany FKK Clubs section to voice my oppinions on this subject. Many members have done this before. Senior members such as Iseeu, Toscana, Basketcase, Hessen Bub and perhaps Ortos who have been on this board for years and who have a complete knowledge of the main FKK and Sauna clubs in Germany (particulalry NRW and Hesse) would be ideal candidates to advise. Our esteemed proprietor Jackson is not without friends, who would be willing to contribute in any capacity, if called upon, yourself and myself included. My comments on this subject are at all times intended as constructive.

CD

Hi CD,

I do hear you on this one. I like the ISG to be a place to share information. I even see it as a part of my own community. I am all for improvements. But philosophically I also like the self organizing aspect of these types of communities. Self organization is by its' nature imperfect. Similar on-line communities that have way more input from a central organizing manager (owner/operator) leave me cold.

The thing I like about ISG is that Jackson leaves it alone. In this respect (and I do get a wee fanciful here) he is very much like God, well.... the God of perhaps a century or so back and who does not apparently require quite so much genuflection as the Big Man folks normally shoulder with that label. How so? We are pretty sure, but not certain, he is there, in charge and twiddling the knobs that ultimately control our destiny here. We talk to him, pms, yet he seems not to hear us. Then every once in a while he delivers a message, moderates a post (or one of his representatives does, we are not sure) and then moves the whole damn creation to another server.

Do not please assume that I in anyway believe in God as the creator of the Universe. I do however see, it is blinding obvious to me, that the material plane has a certain way, sometimes referred to as The Way, the Hidden Harmony or even for the religiously inclined, God's Will. As I see it, in the big picture of life, as well as our smaller endeavors (which are simply metaphors of the big picture) one can work real hard trying to bend the flow of things to their will. Or, one can sit, watch, meditate then try to act in a way that follows the flow as one sees it. Nothing is ever certain for in a sense your will is The Way, but in a sense it isn't. That is,we often go off on tangents, needing eventually to correct things and get with the program. In the end is death, which deposits us with no great ceremony, back into the flow.

So what does all of this have to do with the current discussion. Simply that while I agree that we need to approach, even petition Jackson/God for the changes we wish to see, we are also responsible for working with the system, as imperfect as we see it, as it is. If for no other reason than it is this way.

Where does old Angus fit in? I am not a mover & shaker. I am more like, rather in my more maniacal moments see myself as, God's favored angel and much misunderstood harbinger, Lucifer, bringer of light. I want to know God as God knows God and thus feel the need to splinter off, creating my own universe full of worlds and beings. I see it as my roll here, if I still have one, God could decide, at any moment, to cast me out, as a monger who illuminates the way. My opinions are often wrong, disappointing or off the mark. I do try though, with my more thoughtful posts, to point out The Way, just as I see it for that is all I can do. Each of us has our own ideas and ways we think it should go, I simply try to bring it to the moment, this one, and call it as I see it.

In case any of you worry about Angus' mental condition (comparing himself to Lucifer-sheeesh) my Crocs are firmly planted in "reality". I have been to way more far out spaces than the one I currently inhabit. If we ever get together for a drink I will tell you about the times I summoned energies that could curdle your breakfast milk. Now I have some pretty real people in my life who offer council and keep me from spinning out of control.

Thanks to all of them.

AM

[Capt Dan]

AM, many thanks for your thoughtful message regarding your vision of Heaven, Hell and how these concepts can be best applied to how ISG is currently moderated. This post, although interesting, argues more or less for a go with the flow, leave things alone (status quo) approach.
Some points are well made and I find myself in some agreement with the notion that light moderation (as currently exercised by Jackson) can sometimes be a good thing.

However, I think the previous poster is more or less happy with the current situation and good luck to him if this is the case.
I would like to see change and I would be interested in hearing the oppinions of others (particulary other Senior Members with major contribution to this site).

I would like to see some minor changes/improvements made to the Germany FKK Clubs Forum.
I would like to keep these changes simple so that a vast majority of ISG Germany FKK Clubs Forum members will be content.
These changes would be:

1. A simplification of the number of clubs mentioned on the main page of the Germany FKK Clubs Forum.
Only the larger regularly reported on clubs to be mentioned on the main page and if possible for these clubs to be organised into some sort of geographical context. Clubs which no longer exist should be removed and clubs which receive little or no reports, should be moved to the Other Clubs thread for a particular German Geographical Region.

2. Information relating to each club to be pinned to the Club thread.
This information would include website address, physical address, phone numbers, map and directions etc.

The above improvements are simple, straightforward and are more or less a tidying up exercise.
One could argue for greater changes than the above, but perhaps best to keep things simple and members consequently united.
If enough of us are in agreement, perhaps we could write to Jackson with our proposals.
I am not sure if this will do any good, but hey at least we tried.
Anyway, you can follow on in this General Info thread and let me know your views. You can also PM me.

CD

[Angus Magee]

This post, although interesting, argues more or less for a go with the flow, leave things alone (status quo) approach.

Actually I think you misunderstand what I say. Go with the flow is not leaving things alone. Going with the flow means shaking things up if that is the flow as you see it. I would not object to these changes, in fact some sound like very good ideas. I simply say that I personally do not feel strongly one way or the other and enjoy the over all lack of overt moderation. I also feel a wee bit more input from Jackson could give a more life to the forum.

Mostly I say, from my own POV, my contentment with the forum has less to do with how the forum behaves, more to do with how I contribute. I encourage everyone to contribute in the way that fits for them.

AM

[Capt Dan]

I simply say that I personally do not feel strongly one way or the other and enjoy the over all lack of overt moderation. I also feel a wee bit more input from Jackson could give a more life to the forum.
OK AM... going with the flow to me means (in this circumstance) that if a majority of ISG members want to see the changes (as outlined below), you do not mind... and also if a majority of ISG members do not want to see change, you do not mind this either. If the status quo is maintained that is ok. In fairness that would be the most common interpretation of the term "go with the flow", at least in British English. It generally means that like a leaf in a stream, you are prepared to be taken by the current in whichever direction it takes you or indeed not take you.

As you say yourself, you do not feel strongly one way or the other.

I believe that I understand where you are coming from... I think :)

Lets see if there are any strong oppinions out there on this topic... either for change or against!

I definitely would like to see some minor changes.

CD

[Breadman]

Not sure if the Fkk section has enough traffic to warrant all that much change that's being brought up. This is just one of the sub forums of the ISG. Usage at 8:20pm in Germany for the entire ISG is 543 (218 members and 325 guests). In comparison, a Toronto Canada board that just covers toronto has 1250 users online( 528 members and 722 guests).

If it ain't broke, don't fix it is my motto. You might find Jackson willing to delete threads to clubs that have closed, but its doubtful he's going to take the time and move posts from threads to other threads...

[Gfe Finder]

The above improvements are simple, straightforward and are more or less a tidying up exercise.
One could argue for greater changes than the above, but perhaps best to keep things simple and members consequently united.
If enough of us are in agreement, perhaps we could write to Jackson with our proposals.
I am not sure if this will do any good, but hey at least we tried.
Anyway, you can follow on in this General Info thread and let me know your views. You can also PM me.

CD

Let's be more specific and actionable-- if it is truly (and hopefully) a simple exercise for Jackson, why not just urge people to use the "contact us" link at the bottom of this and every page and make your feelings known to him, copying CD's post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1073487&postcount=5963) as a suggestion. (I'll do that now myself.) The squeaky wheel always gets the grease, if I may quote a trite saw.

[Capt Dan]

Let's be more specific and actionable-- if it is truly (and hopefully) a simple exercise for Jackson, why not just urge people to use the "contact us" link at the bottom of this and every page and make your feelings known The squeaky wheel always gets the grease, if I may quote a trite saw.Gfe Finder many thanks for your support and you (and others) are welcome to use the ideas as I have outlined in my previous post.

However, I was hoping to get some involvement from other ISG Members (hopefully some Senior Members) and perhaps come up with an agreed template for Jackson i.e. which clubs should be deleted, which clubs in what Geographical area etc. Perhaps somebody has already figured this out? In other words rather than just complain, it would be good to provide a concrete example of what is required. I would very much like to be constructive about this matter and would prefer to bring others on board, provided there is sufficient oppinion supporting such improvements. However, if you feel strongly enough you are entitled to contact Jackson directly. I do respect your drive and spirit. The only way to get things done is to make a start.


Not sure if the Fkk section has enough traffic to warrant all that much change that's being brought up. Breadman, many thanks for voicing your oppinion. I do not agree with what you say. But your oppinion on this matter is as valid as mine.

[Iseeu]

Gfe Finder many thanks for your support and you (and others) are welcome to use the ideas as I have outlined in my previous post.

However, I was hoping to get some involvement from other ISG Members (hopefully some Senior Members) and perhaps come up with an agreed template for Jackson i.e. which clubs should be deleted, which clubs in what Geographical area etc. Perhaps somebody has already figured this out? In other words rather than just complain, it would be good to provide a concrete example of what is required. I would very much like to be constructive about this matter and would prefer to bring others on board, provided there is sufficient oppinion supporting such improvements. However, if you feel strongly enough you are entitled to contact Jackson directly. I do respect your drive and spirit. The only way to get things done is to make a start.

Breadman, many thanks for voicing your oppinion. I do not agree with what you say. But your oppinion on this matter is as valid as mine.
Personally, I have no issue with the current forum setup. Yes, it could be streamlined and using a newer version of the SW would make it easier to post colorful posts. Actually, I like having to search through multiple posts and redundant questions since it gives me a chance to revisit the threads that I'm searching through, though I can understand the desire to restructure the listings to make it easier to locate a particular morsel of information. BTW, grouping clubs via German geographic areas makes sense in a German or European forum, but I'm not sure that it would be helpful to new visitors here, many of whom live far away from the continent and have limited knowledge of German geography.

But even in its current state, it serves its primary purpose which is to enable the free exchange of information about the P4P options in different geographies. We've all managed to use it, some of us even in its earlier configurations, and to find the info that we were looking for. It has certainly served me well and helped to widen my horizons beyond even my own very active imagination.

I've had dealings with Jackson on this issue in the past, and I periodically correspond with him, asking him to delete extinct clubs and add in new ones. Sometimes, he makes the necessary changes, sometimes he doesn't, and sometimes he only makes some of them. Apparently, this thread is not a major priority for him, and I doubt that he will invest alot of time or add bandwidth in restructuring it as has been suggested here.

In any case, I doubt that we will reach a consensus amongst the members here about the most desired method to reorganize this thread, and until we do it wouldn't make sense to ping Jackson with this request. I will ping him soon (again) to add Mainhattan, Das5, PSR and Sharks, and to remove clubs like Cocoon, Atlantis, Wiago and PSW.

If it's any consolation, due to the volatile nature of the low cost P4P business, the partytreff thread is in much worse shape and in need of drastic editing and restructuring.

[Capt Dan]

Thanks for the reponse Iseeu, I offer a reply to your comments below.


Personally, I have no issue with the current forum setup. Yes, it could be streamlined and using a newer version of the SW would make it easier to post colorful posts. Actually, I like having to search through multiple posts and redundant questions since it gives me a chance to revisit the threads that I'm searching through, though I can understand the desire to restructure the listings to make it easier to locate a particular morsel of information. I do have issues with the current setup of this forum. It is far too cumbersome and unclear for all members, old and new. We have clubs like FKK Mondial which I believe is now defunct represented as if it is alive and kicking and at the same level as FKK Oase, FKK Palace and FKK World. Even the idea that a small club like FKK Lancelot, which I believe at least is still in existance, should be represented at the same level as the big clubs is frankly crazy. Surely it would be possible to at least get agreement amongst members to remove clubs which are now defunct.



BTW, grouping clubs via German geographic areas makes sense in a German or European forum, but I'm not sure that it would be helpful to new visitors here, many of whom live far away from the continent and have limited knowledge of German geography. Again I disagree. You are arguing that the forum should be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator or the lowest level of intelligence. If German geographic regions are unacceptable, why even bother dividing Europe into seperate countries? Lets take your point one step further. To help the seriously dumb and stupid... why not draw a line from the French Atlantic coast eastward through Switzerland, Austria, Hungary and Romania to the Black Sea and simply have two areas in Europe... North Europe and South Europe. Some North Americans (I believe) would have difficulty pointing to Denmark on a map. If we take this new approach they would only have to know that the place called Denmark was somewhere in North Europe! :) To me it seems sensible to group clubs by geographical region in order to suggest what establishments can be visited on a trip to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf or Hamburg etc. It does make sense to know that Sauna Club GoldenTime, Sauna Club LivingRoom, Sauna Club Planet Happy Garden and FKK Villa Vertigo are located in the same approximate area and can be visited as a group over the course of a few days.


I've had dealings with Jackson on this issue in the past, and I periodically correspond with him, asking him to delete extinct clubs and add in new ones. Sometimes, he makes the necessary changes, sometimes he doesn't, and sometimes he only makes some of them. Apparently, this thread is not a major priority for him, and I doubt that he will invest alot of time or add bandwidth in restructuring it as has been suggested here.

In any case, I doubt that we will reach a consensus amongst the members here about the most desired method to reorganize this thread, and until we do it wouldn't make sense to ping Jackson with this request. I will ping him soon (again) to add Mainhattan, Das5, PSR and Sharks, and to remove clubs like Cocoon, Atlantis, Wiago and PSW.Thank you for your endeavours in getting Jackson to make updates to the Germany - FKK Clubs Forum BUT I gotta tell you that this piece meal approach to making changes is far from perfect. I would argue that rather than reach a complete consensus amongst every ISG member who has posted in the Germany - FKK Clubs Forum, a group of Senior Members which need not necessarily include myself, should get in touch with Jackson and request a minimum set of sensible changes, some of which have been already suggested. With every respect intended, surely Jackson understands that constant improvement to any service or product is always desirable. There is a lot of out of date information and not only in this Forum alone. Surely it is wise to put this right? Another concern I have with regard to this matter, is that it is self evident to many members that some changes to the Germany - FKK Clubs Forum would be desirable. It would be easy for me to continue to argue this case (very easy) BUT this would become boring and unless further comments arouse my interest, I intend to let this matter drop. But do heed my words... Change happens and must be responsed to. Not making sufficient improvements to this forum and all forums in ISG is not a good idea. As usual all comments and criticisms are intended to be constructive.

[Angus Magee]

Hi Lads,

You might notice I have a new look (theme) on the blog today. I am not 100% happy with it but it is moving in the right direction. The whole thing seems crowded to the left, sort of cramped up against the left hand border. I am tinkering with it, trying to determine if it is a problem with settings or if it just how the theme is designed. I have been spending hours yesterday looking at and trying out various themes-there are literally 100s available.

But I like this one for various reasons so I hope I can make it work a bit better.

Let me know what you think.

AM

Note: After making my post I realized it might just be as simple as how I have my own browser set. That is I need new glasses so I tend to zoom in on pages with my browser. When I went out one click the blog looked better. But still, tell me what you think.

[El Greco]

To me it seems sensible to group clubs by geographical region in order to suggest what establishments can be visited on a trip to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf or Hamburg etc. It does make sense to know that Sauna Club GoldenTime, Sauna Club LivingRoom, Sauna Club Planet Happy Garden and FKK Villa Vertigo are located in the same approximate area and can be visited as a group over the course of a few days.
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I'll definitely second that.

Furthermore Jackson could open, for a period of time, a sub forum for sugestions on changes from FKK experts.Then he can choose the ones he thinks most appropriate.

Thanks

[Uncle Volodya]

I have had the pleasure of about a dozen or so trips to FKKs over the years, my first time being 2007. All in all I've been to 4 of them: Amya, Artemis, Berend's and the other one in Berlin (I forget the name).

I liked Samya and Artemis the best and visited them multiple times. I have gone to Smaya the most times as I find myself in Koln when I am in transit (sometimes by design LOL) from the US to Southern Europe.

Back when I started going there seemed to be a lot more German and Czech girls working. Some of the Germans were even part timers, students who were just doing this over the weekend. I had some amazing sessions with these girls that included long heavy petting and DFK down in the lounge before going upstairs.

My last few trips to Samya this spring it seemed like the scene was completely dominated by Romanian girls. I haven't seen any Germans and not many Czech girls either. I have nothing against the Romanians. They are very sexy. But I found them a little cold and professional in the sack and not real GFEs. Fun, but not the mind blowing experience I was having before.

Has the Zeitigeist changes in favor of the more hard core pro type? Or have I just had a little run of bad luck?
Or maybe Samaya itself has just changed and I should try my luck elsewhere and start routing my flights through Frankfurt.

I'd appreciate any comments form more experienced and seasoned visitors of the FKK scene.

Many thanks!

Stay horny my friends....
Uncle-V

[Angus Magee]

Has the Zeitigeist changes in favor of the more hard core pro type? Or have I just had a little run of bad luck?
Or maybe Samaya itself has just changed and I should try my luck elsewhere and start routing my flights through Frankfurt.

I'd appreciate any comments form more experienced and seasoned visitors of the FKK scene.

I think you hit it on the head Uncle. The scene has changed. Not that I myself had a whole lot of experience way back when. But on my first visit, some 9 years back, to La Folie (Berlin's other FKK though not really an FKK) I had sessions with what I thought were true part timers. And they were as you described. Now I think the part timer is a rarity though they probably still exist. You do have to look long and hard for them. Most of the girls at the big FKK are pros through and trough. The trick is finding the ones who can make you believe otherwise, if only for a little while.

[Tjohoo]

My last few trips to Samya this spring it seemed like the scene was completely dominated by Romanian girls. I haven't seen any Germans.

I have nothing against the Romanians. They are very sexy. But I found them a little cold and professional in the sack and not real GFEs.

Hello!

I am far far from beeing an "experet". But I have visited Samya many times the last year and I must say that you have been unlucky. There are I guess at least 10 german girls working in Samya at the moment, Ranja, Saskia, Amelie, Yara, Nila, the Mareen, Amira, Nia, Priya and two of my favorit girls Lila and Zenzi.

If you want to meet a nice and really sweet GFE-girl from Romania you should book a session with Golda in Samya. She is a romanian top provider in my opinion.

T

[Toscana]

I think you hit it on the head Uncle. Well with all respect to our esteemed forum colleague, I think someone hit Uncle on the head. :-) Not only did he visit Samya, but also Amya, Smaya and Samaya. Now, even if Jackson were listening, which he isn't, he'd be mighty confused by now.

Stay horny Uncle-V.

[Uncle Volodya]

Stay horny Uncle-V.

This is probably the root of my spelling problem. LOL

I am glad to hear that this may just be a run of bad luck on my part vis a vis Samya. I have grown fond of the club and very friendly with Ali, the manager, who is a very good guy and always takes tome to welcome me and hang out.

Thanks again to everyone for the recommendations.

Stay horny friends!
Uncle V

[Toscana]

Even the idea that a small club like FKK Lancelot, which I believe at least is still in existance, should be represented at the same level as the big clubs is frankly crazy. Jackson put Lancelot on at someone's active suggestion a while back, probably because many French guys cross the border to visit it regularly.

It doesn't get the reports here (où sont les EV's, messieurs?), that's true, but is very much active and reported on elsewhere. No harm in having the thread, I think there should be more dedicated threads, not fewer, to clean up the Other FKK Clubs heap.

What should be deleted are the threads on defunct operations.

P.S. New FKK in Kaiserlautern:
http://www.fkk-kl.de/
Too early for any reports yet.

[Jerboa]

I have had the pleasure of about a dozen or so trips to FKKs over the years, my first time being 2007. All in all I've been to 4 of them: Amya, Artemis, Berend's and the other one in Berlin (I forget the name).

I liked Samya and Artemis the best and visited them multiple times. I have gone to Smaya the most times as I find myself in Koln when I am in transit (sometimes by design LOL) from the US to Southern Europe.

Back when I started going there seemed to be a lot more German and Czech girls working. Some of the Germans were even part timers, students who were just doing this over the weekend. I had some amazing sessions with these girls that included long heavy petting and DFK down in the lounge before going upstairs.

My last few trips to Samya this spring it seemed like the scene was completely dominated by Romanian girls. I haven't seen any Germans and not many Czech girls either. I have nothing against the Romanians. They are very sexy. But I found them a little cold and professional in the sack and not real GFEs. Fun, but not the mind blowing experience I was having before.

Has the Zeitigeist changes in favor of the more hard core pro type? Or have I just had a little run of bad luck?
Or maybe Samaya itself has just changed and I should try my luck elsewhere and start routing my flights through Frankfurt.

I'd appreciate any comments form more experienced and seasoned visitors of the FKK scene.

Many thanks!

Stay horny my friends....
Uncle-V

I felt like that too In June at Samya, seemed to be a lot of Romanian girls, who all looked similar, I like varaity, so would prefer to see more Poles, Czechs, Germans, Latinas as well as Balkan girls, I was back at Samya Friday night, still many Romanians, but also some German girls too.

[Uncle Volodya]

I felt like that too In June at Samya, seemed to be a lot of Romanian girls, who all looked similar, I like varaity, so would prefer to see more Poles, Czechs, Germans, Latinas as well as Balkan girls, I was back at Samya Friday night, still many Romanians, but also some German girls too.

Thanks for the update, Jerboa.

Back in 2007, when I first visited Samya the variety was just great. My first girl there was Buffy, a hot 19 year old blond. I couldn't believe my luck! I also shagged this Czech girl with the most amazing body same visit. Ended up making out with her like a real GF as I waited for my Taxi to take me home. Next trip to Cologne I hooked up with a tall Blond German girl. Genuine law students, well traveled and just marvelous in the sack.

Where are these types of girls today?

Maybe I was just spoiled my first few trips. I admit I am in Germany only 2 to 3 times a year at best and don't really have a representative sample.

Stay horny my friends (I know I am just thinking about these ladies)............

Uncle V

[Iseeu]

You are arguing that the forum should be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator or the lowest level of intelligence. If German geographic regions are unacceptable, why even bother dividing Europe into seperate countries? Lets take your point one step further. To help the seriously dumb and stupid... why not draw a line from the French Atlantic coast eastward through Switzerland, Austria, Hungary and Romania to the Black Sea and simply have two areas in Europe... North Europe and South Europe. Some North Americans (I believe) would have difficulty pointing to Denmark on a map. If we take this new approach they would only have to know that the place called Denmark was somewhere in North Europe! :) To me it seems sensible to group clubs by geographical region in order to suggest what establishments can be visited on a trip to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf or Hamburg etc. It does make sense to know that Sauna Club GoldenTime, Sauna Club LivingRoom, Sauna Club Planet Happy Garden and FKK Villa Vertigo are located in the same approximate area and can be visited as a group over the course of a few days.
I didn't intend to get into an argument on this, just expressing my own non-authoritative opinion. If given an address in Denmark, I think that most people would know that it's a country even if they couldn't find it on a map. For me it makes sense to group clubs via geographic areas since, after many years of mongering in Germany and innumerable trips, I get it. Just not sure that it would be helpful to others with out the same initial knowledge and experience.
Thank you for your endeavours in getting Jackson to make updates. BUT I gotta tell you that this piece meal approach to making changes is far from perfect.
No need for thanks. Like you, I want this to be an effective tool for all to use, and I have tried to help clean it up from time to time. I agree this is not a good system, but it's up to Jackson to decide how he wants to update the various threads.


With every respect intended, surely Jackson understands that constant improvement to any service or product is always desirable. There is a lot of out of date information and not only in this Forum alone. Surely it is wise to put this right?

But do heed my words... Change happens and must be responsed to. Not making sufficient improvements to this forum and all forums in ISG is not a good idea.
I'm sure that he understands that some improvements could be made to make this forum a more effective tool for those who use it, just not sure that he understands the need since he doesn't pursue the hobby in Germany. I don't represent him, don't "have his ear", am not a partner in his business ventures, and certainly can't speak for him, so I can heed your words, but what good would that do?

[Capt Dan]

Ok Im starting to feel like I may as well be pissing in the wind as endeavour to get some sorta consensus with regard to changes needed in this Forum.
I did not intend writing much more on this subject as it is probably becoming boring for other ISG Members (and also for the good ol Captain too!) :(
BUT in response to Iseeu...


You are arguing that the forum should be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator or the lowest level of intelligence. If German geographic regions are unacceptable, why even bother dividing Europe into seperate countries? Lets take your point one step further. To help the seriously dumb and stupid... why not draw a line from the French Atlantic coast eastward through Switzerland, Austria, Hungary and Romania to the Black Sea and simply have two areas in Europe... North Europe and South Europe. Some North Americans (I believe) would have difficulty pointing to Denmark on a map. If we take this new approach they would only have to know that the place called Denmark was somewhere in North Europe! To me it seems sensible to group clubs by geographical region in order to suggest what establishments can be visited on a trip to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf or Hamburg etc. It does make sense to know that Sauna Club GoldenTime, Sauna Club LivingRoom, Sauna Club Planet Happy Garden and FKK Villa Vertigo are located in the same approximate area and can be visited as a group over the course of a few days.
I didn't intend to get into an argument on this, just expressing my own non-authoritative opinion. If given an address in Denmark, I think that most people would know that it's a country even if they couldn't find it on a map. For me it makes sense to group clubs via geographic areas since, after many years of mongering in Germany and innumerable trips, I get it. Just not sure that it would be helpful to others with out the same initial knowledge and experience. No argument. :confused: You are entitled to your oppinion, as is the Captain :) and I do not agree that dumbing down this forum further is the correct way to go!



Thank you for your endeavours in getting Jackson to make updates. BUT I gotta tell you that this piece meal approach to making changes is far from perfect.
No need for thanks. Like you, I want this to be an effective tool for all to use, and I have tried to help clean it up from time to time. I agree this is not a good system, but it's up to Jackson to decide how he wants to update the various threads.The Captain is polite (sometimes ;) ) and it was in this spirit that I offered you thanks. We both agree that this is not a good system and yes it is up to Jackson to decide BUT we differ insofar that I believe that a group of Senior Members should request changes from Jackson rather than doing this on an individual by individual basis.



With every respect intended, surely Jackson understands that constant improvement to any service or product is always desirable. There is a lot of out of date information and not only in this Forum alone. Surely it is wise to put this right?
But do heed my words... Change happens and must be responsed to. Not making sufficient improvements to this forum and all forums in ISG is not a good idea.

I'm sure that he understands that some improvements could be made to make this forum a more effective tool for those who use it, just not sure that he understands the need since he doesn't pursue the hobby in Germany. I don't represent him, don't "have his ear", am not a partner in his business ventures, and certainly can't speak for him, so I can heed your words, but what good would that do?Then Jackson should appoint moderators who do understand the hobby in Germany and who can recommend the necessary changes. I used the term "heed my words" more to appeal to the general membership reading our discussion, as sooner or later, if improvements do not happen, ISG will eventually become outdated, which none of us wish to see happen. This forum already forfeits most native Dutch, German and French speakers, who also speak English because the forums in their own native languages are more up to date and effective. Anyway I see no point in continuing this debate as I dispair that there is no possability of gaining consensus. :(

[All For Bb]

Where to find report about Yingyang in Netherland? Since it is very close to GT, PHG, is the price structure similar (50 enter, 50 for first 30 min, 25 for addtional 30 min)? The open time? How is the lineup lately? Please advise. Thanks.

[Smuler]

Where to find report about Yingyang in Netherland? Since it is very close to GT, PHG, is the price structure similar (50 enter, 50 for first 30 min, 25 for addtional 30 min)? The open time? How is the lineup lately? Please advise. Thanks.The Netherlands tab in the Europe section.

Best Regards

Smuler

[Gfe Finder]

Where to find report about Yingyang in Netherland? Since it is very close to GT, PHG, is the price structure similar (50 enter, 50 for first 30 min, 25 for addtional 30 min)? The open time? How is the lineup lately? Please advise. Thanks.

Try a search in the "Other FKK Clubs" thread or the "German Border" thread of the Netherlands section for lineup and pricing information.

The opening times can be confirmed at their website www.yinyang.nl, as can the entry of 50 euros (after 2PM)

Opening times:

Mondays to Fridays from 11:00 - 01:00

Saturdays and Sundays from 13:00 - 01:00

[Gfe Finder]

P.S. New FKK in Kaiserlautern:
http://www.fkk-kl.de/
Too early for any reports yet.

Shouldn't this be in the "Suggestions for FKKs to add to the Forum" thread? Or did you just mean that we should wait and see how things pan out there before suggesting a new thread specifically for them?

[Mike De H]

Since this one is not about any specific club, I thought I would post this "You Tube link" about "The Perfect Poster".

Once again, all in good fun and no specific insult to any persons living or brain dead intended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaAW5tEe2Ko

[Angus Magee]

Angus, never one to turn down a ride on someone's coat tails, has posted all the videos on the blog. Category-The Laughing Monger.

http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=539

Thanks for the coat tail ride Mike & for you effort. You pegged philosophical Angus perfectly, not even having met me;)

AM

[Mike De H]

here it is.... i wish the speech synthesiser could say "girlfriend" not jerl frinde

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xypn2a6biew


and channel is: http://www.youtube.com/user/fkkperson?feature=mhum

[Angus Magee]

Hi Gents,

A new post just up on Angus' blog. Please have a look.

http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=560

AM

[Toscana]

Shouldn't this be in the "Suggestions for FKKs to add to the Forum" thread? Or did you just mean that we should wait and see how things pan out there before suggesting a new thread specifically for them?Simply that it had literally just opened its doors and that we would have to wait for early reports (mainly on the German forums) before getting an idea whether it is worth visiting.

Certainly way too early to contemplate a dedicated thread here, even if we could attract our absentee landlord's interest.

I've been away for a while, maybe there are a few reports by now. I'll have a look. Kaiserslautern is a pretty small place for two FKKs...........

[Basketcase]

It's been more than a year (or two?) since I took a taxi in FFM to Palace, but I remember it being closer to 10E...maybe the prices have risen a bit more than I realised. All this makes me feel a bit vindicated by sticking to hired cars for my transport to/from FKKs whilst in Germany...

O
Hi Ortos,

Each trip that I take there is a war raging inside me whether to book a rental car or to take public transport. For the last 12 months I have been taking rental cars to go the clubs. When in NRW, I always take a rental car. In Hesse is where I have the choice of taking the train and taxi combinations.

I keep looking at the rental car and I do the minimum calculation on what it would cost via taxi and train and it does work out cheaper but then you lose the flexibility and the ability to go elsewhere or do that small bit of scouting or double club in one day's visit.

The price of trains have gone up each year but not by much. A one way train from the FRA airport to down town has gone from 3.60€ to 3.80€ in 2 years for example. Petrol prices have gone up faster than that proportionately I believe.

Public transport can be priced modestly versus rental cars. You just lose on the instant access that is all.

[Mike De H]

Hi All,

Just another shout for my YouTube channel of comedy Vids about FKK. Part 4 of the "Goldenslime" series is up and running.

http://www.youtube.com/user/FKKperson

Hilary Clinton is the receptionist and Obama is being refused in the Queue (Who knows why?)

The restaurant scene (in my opinion) looks a touch like the canteen at World.

[Ortos]

Hi,

In a recent post on the Oase thread, I asserted that ‘Taking all factors into consideration, Artemis remains the premier large FKK club in the nation’

I wonder to what extent that viewpoint is shared by experienced FKK attendees on this board? – I suspect that I am in the minority.

Today in the Berlin thread poster Fkknomad gave the following rating in various categories for Artemis based on what I understand to have been his first visit to the club earlier this week: -

My overall FKK Artemis Rating.
• Girls (looks, youth, slim) - 5/10
• Selection (Quantity and variety of non Romanian) - 6/10
• Service - 4/10
• Food - 5/10
• Facilities - 6/10
• Cleanliness - 6/10
= 32/60

I have taken the liberty of deciding to undertake a survey of contributors to these pages, in order to ascertain the most popular/best FKK club in Germany.

Whilst I broadly agree with Fkknomad on the selection of categories, I don’t reckon that they are all equally important and I do not feel that they should all carry equal weighting. I do not believe, for instance, that ‘Girls’ and ‘Food’ are equivalent considerations in assessing the merit of an FKK club. So, I have devised a slightly different scoring system to reflect the priorities as I envisage them: -

1. GIRLS (appearance) – maximum 25 points
2. SELECTION (variety, in terms of looks, nationality, ethnicity, age/experience etc) – maximum 15 points
3. SERVICE (from the girls) – maximum 25 points
4. FOOD – maximum 8 points
5. FACILITIES (other than food) – maximum 10 points
6. CLEANLINESS – maximum 8 points
7. STAFF (friendliness, helpfulness etc – also website usefulness) – maximum 5 points
8. ACCESSIBILITY (transport-wise) – maximum 4 points

Total maximum points = 100

This scoring system affords 65% of the weighting to the ladies and 35% to extraneous aspects of the establishment, which feels about right to me. No doubt others will have their own ideas as to how these categories ought to be weighted, but I didn’t want to undertake a survey as to how I should structure the survey……..

I invite all experienced mongers to rate the various FKK’s that they have visited, and I will collate the evidence at the end of November and post the collective view of this board during the first week of December.

I hope that I am not breaking any forum rules with this exercise – I just thought it would be interesting to see what the consensus view is about the relative merits of the various clubs that we attend

Best……

Charlie


Hi Charlie,

Great idea! And I wish your venture luck and hope it produces some reasonable results.

Just wanted to ask you if you (or anybody else?) might think of adding a category or two: Something like:

-- Prevalence of Nudity (amongst the girls!)
-- Prevalence of Couch Action/Public Foreplay Sex

Just a thought.

Btw: It's a shame (for me) that I will be making my next visits to FKKs during the latter half of November and then again in middle-late January 2011. Thus I will not be able to benefit from the chance of winning the prize, right? :(
O

[Tiradentes]

Sure, I will play. My comments are shown in ( ).

FKK Palace:

1. GIRLS appearance – 20 points (can't get any better than white european females)

2. SELECTION – 8 points (due to the fact that half are romanian, and 1/3 is greek)

3. SERVICE (from the girls) – 18 points (something to be desired)

4. FOOD – 5 points (not a great fan of german food, but what they offer is fresh and abundant. Breakfast was vey good, though)

5. FACILITIES [other than food] – 8 points (state of the art, loved the kino, comfortable seats, wished the whirpool was larger.)

6. CLEANLINESS – 7 points (very clean, although saw once a used condom on the floor. It was collected within few minutes)

7. STAFF (friendliness, helpfulness etc – also website usefulness) – 3 points (who cares!)

8. ACCESSIBILITY (transport-wise) – 4 points (5 minutes from downtown Frankfurt - any closer and you will be in the river)

Total : 71/100 (if my math is right)

p.s.: I visited the palace over 5 times this year.

[Duralong]

“Yes I had also experiences with women, but when I think of sex… I think of a MAN!” Says the guy who sat next to me in the plane, to whom I am offering a passage to Dusseldorf. Well… the world is beautiful because it’s varied! He won’t certainly be a competitor in the places which I plan to visit this week :)
It starts this way my last tour in NRW which I am going to recount you. The tour was worse than the others, because I wasn't in great shape and in terms of opportunities offered, but there were some lights in the dark. I fucked a few girls, but fortunately they were all good sessions (a part an exception, as you will know), so I was able at least to preserve quality if not quantity.
It's a fact that I am getting older, and that my performances decrease perhaps quicker than I could imagine, but such a decrement is not explainable simply this way, considering that just 2-3 years ago I was able to fuck in just a single day (and without chemical help!) the same amount of girls I fucked this time in a week!
Perhaps I wasn’t in great physical and mental state, I arrived there somewhat stressed and a bit depressed. Perhaps I also became overly selective, but I suffered a lack of talent, i.e. I had difficulty in finding girls/women satisfying my taste, that female type capable of giving me an almost immediate hard-on, like it happened at the beginning and until latest times. I like girls with curves, you know, a proportionate body and pretty feminine faces, if they are tall and blondes it's a plus. Well, either this type of girl (the typical pin-up of the fifties) is much rarer than in the past (girls are either too thin or too much overweight or with too much belly, etc..), victim of changes in food, style of life and pollution (you know some pollutants interact with sexual hormones, the effect is that males get more feminine and females more masculine!). Also the few ones of this type that are around don't sell themselves for a few tens of € in clubs, or are bad providers (I discussed these points already in an older report ).
But the main point, perhaps (or should I say “for sure”?), is that I am getting tired of the game. Picking up girls in clubs doesn't give me anymore a thrill.
Moreover I discovered that to get excited I need also to perceive interest, appreciation and desire (if not “love”) from the girl/woman, something which clearly can, a part exceptions, only be faked, and often not even faked, by pros.

Next: [URL=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1087068&postcount=427 (]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=868394&postcount=3814[/URL)

[Duralong]

Prev:

This time I am gonna go home with a quite lean balance, and I couldn't get enough satisfaction. Was it worth all the effort and the money? Can this to be explained in terms of simple statistical variations? So may be that next time could be better? Perhaps like 2-3 years ago? Or is this very much unlikely? Is it that, as I told you in the introduction, I am tired of the game? Is it that I finally need the real thing, and not this surrogate? Can I go along indefinitely with this, avoiding the problem of establishing again a real and fulfilling relation with a woman?

I will have time to answer to these questions, but, in order to do this, it's perhaps time to make a balance of my... vacation in Germany.
Since Feb. 2007 I made 9 trips to Germany. I also made the tourist and some work, but the main purpose was to go to these places for available girls.
For the statistics I fucked 69 girls, for a total of almost 69 hs of sessions (curious coincidence :) , this reflects my tendency to repeat with good girls. I spent 5705€ with the girls (much more considering all the expenses), for an average of nearly 83€/h.
But, most important, I compiled a simple Excel file, which is quite explicative. It shows that in my early tours I spent always more that 100' a day in sessions, but after my 5th tour, when I made a record of almost 2hs a day sessioning (in average), I had a constant decline, which stepped further down in this latest tour. My first tours where also shorter, or I took pauses to do something else, thus extending the duration of the tours to one week and going every day to clubs, has certainly contributed to deteriorate my performances, but the idea of spending a day around doing the tourist was fun at the beginning but it's stressing now. In some of my early tours I also had the advantage of being with a friend, something which contributes a lot in maintaining good humor, being almost all the time alone is tough.

So, in conclusion, I think I need a change. I am not sure yet, but maybe that this is my last report, of at least my last report from FKK land.

In any case it was an amazing experience, which I am glad of having had occasion to live. It came in a difficult period of my life (which it's not over yet... although I am positive), when it would have been hard for me to have otherwise a sexual life at all!
Instead I gained a tremendous sexual experience!
I have been with girls of whom I could only dream of in my normal life.
I am now much more confident on my body and my sexual potential than I was before.
I had some bad experiences yes, but all in all the good ones prevailed. Sometimes the illusion was so fine that I had the impression of living the real thing. Often I established friendly relationship with the girls. All this is much more difficult to experience going with loft girls in my country, which also cost nearly double!
And I have some wonderful memories to recall. Impossible to forget my 1st time at Palace (which I hadn't reported here, I am sorry, I hadn't discovered this site yet) and my 1st session with an FKK girl (like the first love you won't never forget your 1st FKK girl). Also because she was a real stunner the well known (at that time) Linda from Prague.
Then how to forget Katja at Berdns, who I made several times. She also drove me into one of my wildest performaces, I am still amused when I read this report [URL=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=642568&postcount=618 (]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1087071&postcount=262[/URL).

Or how to forget Mariela, who regrettably I met only once, Sandra, Ramona, Justine, Natalie, Christine, Lara and lately Megan?

Even If I won't met them anymore, they are part of my life, and I am glad of having met them.

Is it time to turn the page now?

[Mike De H]

Prev: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1087071&postcount=262
Was it worth all the effort and the money? I am tired of the game? Is it that I finally need the real thing, and not this surrogate?

Not often I find something worth replying to. Yes, I think you are tired of the game. You need a break from it, you need a real girlfriend who does it because she wants to, when she wants to, not on the clock, hangs around doing fun stuff other than sex and does not fry your brain with GF or Prostitute shit.

Basically, you have "hit the wall". Did you think it would last forever? Nothing is forever, not for anybody.

There are two reasons men go to FKK, I often think. There are those that have disatisfaction with women in their personal lives and need a surrogate, and those who just love pussy. Pussy never gets old to them amd thier testosterone levels are through the roof. Even the latter sort tail off eventually.

It will be like giving up smoking though. You will never want to think you can't sneak out for a crafty cigarette every now and then.

Don't panic, just rejoice in the fact these places let you get one back on the bitches who ground you down in the first place and sorted your brain out so you can re-enter the normal world.

(This may not be your situation but it was certainly mine).

[Dedalus]

Did you think it would last forever? Nothing is forever, not for anybody.

... and those who just love pussy. Pussy never gets old to them and their testosterone levels are through the roof. Even the latter sort tail off eventually.



Bite your tongue, Mikey ;-))

Cheers,

Dedalus, who now and then runs low on bait, but is never too drunk to fish

[Dedalus]

Roxanna at World. She's right up your wheelhouse. Girl won't disappear when turning sideways, and she'll start a bonfire in bed. Gives a good GFE illusion as well, if that's your kick.

Cheers,

Dedalus, ever on the lookout for Mikey-types

[Stikirob]

Does anyone know if it's possible to take a female partner along to an FKK?

The idea has intrigued me as I've had a couple of girlfriends who I'm sure would be up for the experience but I'm not sure how the logistics would work:

Would we be able to use a room with or without another girl?

Would we be allowed to use the Kino, whirlpool etc.

Changing rooms / shower facilities for her?

Of course the whole point is having a threesome or more with my partner and the girls - would the girls be up for it or take offense that 'i'm bringing my own food to the restaurant'?

The idea is a huge turn on for me, but I think it will always remain a fantasy.

Does anyone know of instances of this or experienced it themselves?

S.

[Mike De H]

Roxanna at World. She's right up your wheelhouse. Girl won't disappear when turning sideways, and she'll start a bonfire in bed. Gives a good GFE illusion as well, if that's your kick.

Cheers,

Dedalus, ever on the lookout for Mikey-types

Done her :)

[Iseeu]

Hi Charlie,

Great idea! And I wish your venture luck and hope it produces some reasonable results.

Just wanted to ask you if you (or anybody else?) might think of adding a category or two: Something like:

-- Prevalence of Nudity (amongst the girls!)
-- Prevalence of Couch Action/Public Foreplay Sex

Agree with O- Thanks for the initiative and will be good to see other's ratings. I also agree that these 2 additional parameters should be added since frankly they are 2 of the primary concerns when choosing a club, while I would lower the value of food/ refreshments, staff and cleanliness since they are generally of little concern (at least to me) when choosing a club to go to, unless of course the place is stinking dirty. (yet, we still go to Oase, lol)
I just ranked 12 of the clubs- could rank some other smaller ones like Blue Note and Babylon but doubt that they would have value here. While doing this, I noticed that IMHO the "content " related parameters of a club, i.e appearance, nudity, service, selection, kinkiness, really make up at least 75% of the reasons for preferring one club over the other while the other non-essential parameters such as facilities, refereshments, accessibility, staff and cleanliness account for less.

I would therefore restructure the ratings criteria as follows:

Content parameters= 76 points
Women's Appearances: 25 points
Service: 25 points
Selection Variety: 10 points
Nudity Level: 8 points
Kinkiness/ Open Sex: 8 points

Environment parameters
Facility: 8 points
Food/Refreshments: 4 points
Cleanliness: 4 points
Staff: 4 points
Accessibility: 4 points

Thoughts? Attacks?

[Iseeu]

I've posted my ratings according to the Charlie index for each club in the appropriate thread (PSR in the Other FKK Clubs thread). Here then the summary of my rankings:
1. Oase- 75 points
2. Bernd's- 72 points
3. Samya- 69 points
4. Artemis- 69 points
5. Golden Time- 67 points
6.World- 66 points
7. Living Room- 65 points
8. Park Sauna Residenz- 65 points
9. Palace- 63 points
10. Villa Vertigo- 62 points
11. Colosseum- 61 points
12. F39- 61 points

Looking at this points to the irregularity in the results skewed by non- essentials such as facility, food and staff. For example I'd sooner visit F39 than Palace because of a higher service level, and of course I visit Bernd's more than I visit Oase for the same reason, but I think that it still shows a pretty fair picture of my preferred clubs.