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UltraHappy
02-14-14, 01:20
Is the "source" a good hunting ground? I would have thought you would meet mainly the prim and proper alter egos of the girls.No, not good hunting ground. In short, in the P4P arena, the German FKKs has Romania beat by a long shot.

A couple of my Romanians have taken me home with them from time to time. Basically, Romania has the escort scene and the "massage" place scene. Checking out these places isn't worth a trip there. It's only marginally worth checking out if you happen to be there awhile. The ISG Romania thread has more info but if you glance over there, you'll see the scene there is nothing special compared to Germany.

MooseNibbler
02-14-14, 14:12
I was following a thread in the partytreff section (

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2846-General-Info

) and one thing expressed by SvenFKK and Dark Vader caught my attention-

Dark Vader said,"As for tipping. You almost made me choke on my cornflakes! There is no need to tip any girl at a Partytreff or at at an FKK for that matter. You're not in Kansas anymore."

And Sven replied,"And please don't start doing it. One of the main advantages of Partytreffs and FKK clubs in Germany is that the costs are clear."

Which makes me wonder- I thought that tipping for a good session was customary, and I usually bring a few extra euros for just that reason. Do you guys agree with Sven? Am I cheating myself out of money by tipping, or is it considered good customer manners? What say you all?

Trans Atlantic
02-15-14, 03:32
I was following a thread in the partytreff section (

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2846-General-Info

) and one thing expressed by SvenFKK and Dark Vader caught my attention-

Dark Vader said,"As for tipping. You almost made me choke on my cornflakes! There is no need to tip any girl at a Partytreff or at at an FKK for that matter. You're not in Kansas anymore."

And Sven replied,"And please don't start doing it. One of the main advantages of Partytreffs and FKK clubs in Germany is that the costs are clear."

Which makes me wonder- I thought that tipping for a good session was customary, and I usually bring a few extra euros for just that reason. Do you guys agree with Sven? Am I cheating myself out of money by tipping, or is it considered good customer manners? What say you all?Are you ever going to see her again? If no, then no. If maybe, then no. If she's your ATF, maybe.

Henio
02-15-14, 05:38
.Which makes me wonder- I thought that tipping for a good session was customary, and I usually bring a few extra euros for just that reason. Do you guys agree with Sven? Am I cheating myself out of money by tipping, or is it considered good customer manners? What say you all?There are guys who tip in FKK. There are also guys who buy bottles of Champaigne at Palace. Both are waisting their money IMO. It is not customary to tip in FKK. I don't and most guys I know don't. Personally I think it is a bit silly. You are not dealing with a waitress on minimum salary. IMO, tipping someone that is being paid 50€ per half hour (or less) of service is as appropriate as tipping your accountant or attorney. I never go to partytreffs so can't comment on that.

Akibono
02-15-14, 07:14
There are guys who tip in FKK. There are also guys who buy bottles of Champaigne at Palace. Both are waisting their money IMO. It is not customary to tip in FKK. I don't and most guys I know don't. Personally I think it is a bit silly. You are not dealing with a waitress on minimum salary. IMO, tipping someone that is being paid 50€ per half hour (or less) of service is as appropriate as tipping your accountant or attorney. I never go to partytreffs so can't comment on that.You are spot on. I remember seeing a girl drive away from a club in an expensive Mercedes. Meanwhile, a guy rode away at the end of the night on a bike. Who needed the tip? Tipping is for people who have to buy a girl's affection because they cannot get it any other way.

Hessen Bub
02-15-14, 09:48
I tip if I want to. Not 50€ for a 50€ session, but maybe 10€. Happens twice a month max.

HB

Free Dude
02-15-14, 10:20
As a rule I never tip in Hessen (or other 50/50) clubs, with just a few exceptions if there were long and active presales (think in hours rather than minutes). In NRW I usally tip a bit, but that's because I don't bother with 5 euro notes, so I pay 80 for an hour. In ACA or Panthera I just pay the going rate, unless there have been very long active presales (happens more often in Panthera). If I go for multiple hours with a 50-25-25 girl, I might tip a bit as well (I rarely pay just 175 for 3 hours). In any case, a tip is usually no more than 10 euros).

Syzygies
02-15-14, 13:39
I tip if I want to. Not 50€ for a 50€ session, but maybe 10€. Happens twice a month max.

HBI tip occasionally, like if the girl allowed me to go 5 mins overtime with no extra charge for example, or if she had to work particularly hard to get the pop out of me (when its due to my tiredness) , beyond the normal call of duty. Girls like me because I am always treating them very fairly. It puts a girl in a nice relaxed mood for future bookings. Some girls are getting stressed out by guys being very demanding and trying to get free overtime, all for just a 50.

Girls are usually going to get more than a 50 from me, unless they perform poorly or just fail to give me a good time. This puts girls in a good mood and does affect their performance in a positive way for future bookings.

I would be very unlikely to tip a girl if I don't think its likely I would ever repeat with her.

Once tipped one of my regular girls a small amount, via her friend, when she supposedly had no money left, to buy some meds when she was sick and not able to work. Sometimes girls find it difficult to borrow from other girls.

OfficeMatt
02-16-14, 01:33
I tip from time to time. When I get extraordinary service, I will tip. When I don't, I don't tip. It irks me when from time to time a girl will ask for a tip. I just say "no tip!" and walk away.

I guess it all comes down to where you are from and how tipping is done. It is customary to not tip in many places in Europe, but in North America, it is almost an expectation. Too much of an expectation I. E. Restaurant servers will almost demand a tip even for lousy service. Tips are earned!

Ortos
02-16-14, 08:40
I tip from time to time. When I get extraordinary service, I will tip. When I don't, I don't tip. It irks me when from time to time a girl will ask for a tip. I just say "no tip!" and walk away.I think Henio's comments below are a fine summary of my thinking as well.

For me, if extra-ordinary service (or some other factor) brings the concept of a "tip" to mind, I quickly convert that thought to "extended session time." I really think this is the best form of "tip" in the FKK context: why give a girl an extra 10-er, when, if you really dig this girl, you can extend the session another 30 mins (or more) and show her your extreme satisfaction whilst, at the same time, increase / extend the enjoyment of the whole experience yourself? It's a double-edged tip, because both of you get something extra. From the girl's perspective it is probably preferrable to spend more time with a guy who shows his appreciation this way. There are multiple benefits with this method of tipping, because other girls (either within or outside the clique) see that you are do serious session time with girls who offer no-nonsense performance.

Actually, the only time I remember tipping at Oase was most recently during one of my last days there this past January. I tipped 10 euros, but NOT to the girl, but rather the great guy behind the bar, Phillipe (DR?) , who did me some solid favours involving getting me a preferred room key a couple of times during peak periods. When I look back into the not too distant past at Oase, I don't think I would ever offer even 10-cents to any of the Oase Theke or bar staff. Now it's often a great improvement.

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Luv Fake
02-17-14, 17:22
Hi everyone,

I haven't been on here for a while but I will be in Koln on 2/28 and 3/1 visiting Finca and PSR and ACA on 3/2. Was wondering if Finca or PSR has any babes with silicone tits. I know some of you are not a fan of plastic but I truly admire big tit silicones, not naturals. If any of you can recommend which FKK in the Koln / Duss area has the highest percentage of silicone girls, I appreciate it. If there are any independents out there with fake tits, I appreciate that too. I have been looking on the sexrelax website but I can't get any recommendations.

Thank You

Banana Boi
02-17-14, 18:53
Not a fan of silicone myself but out of the NRW clubs I think GT has the most. Off the top of my head the hottest silicone girls I have been with are Czech Heidi at GT, German Fiona at DV, German Cora at PSR, and German Saskia at ACA. All top session girls and imo top FKK girls even though one of them gets bashed on another board. Classic YMMV.

PussyLiccker
02-18-14, 01:10
Not a fan of silicone myself but out of the NRW clubs I think GT has the most. Off the top of my head the hottest silicone girls I have been with are Czech Heidi at GT, German Fiona at DV, German Cora at PSR, and German Saskia at ACA. All top session girls and imo top FKK girls even though one of them gets bashed on another board. Classic YMMV.I am not either, but I prefer silicon over flat chested or small tits. If the tits are nicely done I don't mind much. I look at the bottom area more, hips and ass. If they have nice ass, but flat chested that's a no-no, but if they have implants I will try them out. To me, implants has no bearing on if the girl will be top session or not as I don't focus on the tits very much.

PussyLiccker
02-18-14, 01:12
I agree. Platinum comes with a 35% discount.How do you get 35% with platinum? I've read the criteria, and it says 15% off if you rent 10 times a year.

CimSeeker
02-21-14, 12:52
On BBC's Newsnight show on 20/02/2014 there was a item on prostitution and thoughts on changes in the law in the UK. It featured a visit to Paradise in Stuttgart and an interview with a WG there.

They show work on a Paradise in Saarbrucken which is opening to exploit more cross border customers with the changes in French laws.

A short version of the visit is on the BBC news website at:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26261223

The full program is at the link below but it will only be up for a week and probably only viewable in the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03w7wd2/Newsnight_20_02_2014/

Trans Atlantic
02-21-14, 21:54
How do you get 35% with platinum? I've read the criteria, and it says 15% off if you rent 10 times a year.Qualified several years ago. Maybe I'm grandfathered in.

PussyLiccker
02-24-14, 05:02
I've read a lot in this forum but reading too much can also confuse you more and more. I have the chance to come up to Düsseldorf in a couple of weeks and trying to check one of the FKK or Saunaclubs around. I guess the following 3 clubs will be reachable by me without big problems: Dolce Vita, Haus Panthera and Living Room.

Considering the follwoing points which one should I visit:

- Lineup of the girls (mixed nations inkl. Asian, beauty, number of girls avaiable or to choose)

- Approach of the girls (I like it more that the girls approach me as the first step than I have to do the first step. I like to "speak" with the eyes.

- Kissing: A bit DFK before the room to "convience" me to join her in the room.

Any help is welcome!

JJI cannot give you a straight recommendation, since all three do not include all of your criterias.

First I haven't been to Panthera, so I cannot help you there.

In terms of likely chances of good service and DFK, I would head to LR. Couch action can be had here if you are into that. Lately line-up has been reported to be good so it's highly recommended. The thing is I don't see mix nationalities here, I found mostly Romanians. You will see public kissing here, and you are likely to get kissing outside the room, but typically kissing mean committing to a room. If you refuse to go to a room after she kisses you, a girl is not going to take that kindly.

DV has qualities that LR may not have such as more diversity on the girl's mix. I've seen some chocolates and Asians on my visits, and not mainly filled with Romanians. Then again, my recent visit it's being fill with Romanians more. I've seen a few Germans there as well. There are couches here, and couch action can be had depending on the girl I suppose. DFK is to be less likely here than LR. This place can be hit or miss. Check out the website to see what you should expect for the line-up. I haven't seem public kissing happen here very much, I've seen once instance with a polish girl in the couch section with an Asian man.

http://www.dolce-vita.com/girls

Both these clubs has girls either approach or show sign of interest, so you should have no problems there. As for Panthera, it's listed by FreeDude as being one of the service oriented clubs so I would think it's up there in terms of pre-room time with a girls and DFK more so than the other two. As far as the line-up, I cannot comment how comparable it is or what types of girls are there. As far as approach here, not sure if non-approach is strictly enforced here like more service oriented clubs usually does. I would think DFK before room would be most common here given that it's often mentioned as a service oriented club.

FreeDude and Maxime are the go to punters for service oriented club info. Hopefully they can chime in on this.

IndiMann
02-24-14, 13:24
Hi seniors,

Please guide about pricing policy for first 30 mins and next 30 mins and next 30 mins, in general and the following clubs in particular.

Acapulco.

Haus panthera.

Golden time.

Dolce vita.

Oase.

Sharks.

World.

Which clubs are 50/50/50 and which ones are 50/25/25?

Thanks for the help.

PussyLiccker
02-25-14, 03:21
Hi seniors,

Please guide about pricing policy for first 30 mins and next 30 mins and next 30 mins, in general and the following clubs in particular.

Acapulco.

Haus panthera.

Golden time.

Dolce vita.

Oase.

Sharks.

World.

Which clubs are 50/50/50 and which ones are 50/25/25?

Thanks for the help.I know Acapulco is 40/40.

Dolce vita should be 75/h, but not sure if girls try to do 100/h as I've never had a session I wanted to prolong there.

Goldentime is typically 50/25/50/25. Or 75 / h, but some girls will demand 100 / h I've heard of a new girl doing 50/25/25 there, but it's rare.

You did not list Living Room, but I've read girls do 50/25/25 there.

Hessen clubs are all the same. 50 constant.

NicMan
02-25-14, 03:55
I know Acapulco is 40/40.

Dolce vita should be 75 / h, but not sure if girls try to do 100 / h as I've never had a session I wanted to prolong there.

Goldentime is typically 50/25/50/25. Or 75 / h, but some girls will demand 100 / h I've heard of a new girl doing 50/25/25 there, but it's rare.

You did not list Living Room, but I've read girls do 50/25/25 there.

Hessen clubs are all the same. 50 constant.DV is 50/50/50. There was a 35/15min option before 8pm, but not any more. They recently installed the new rooms (more than 20) , so the room waiting will not happen any more. During the big Messe, the entrance fee is up 65E after 8pm. Better to check the web site before visiting the club.

In case of LR, many times the girls demand 100 / h.

Dufey
02-25-14, 08:50
Goldentime is typically 50/25/50/25. Or 75 / h, but some girls will demand 100 / h I've heard of a new girl doing 50/25/25 there, but it's rare.

You did not list Living Room, but I've read girls do 50/25/25 there.Official rate at Golden Time and Living Room is 50+25+25+25+25. So 90 minutes is 100€. Of course as you imply not many girls may allow it and will try for the 100 per hour tariff. Of course you can also refuse this offer of 100 per hour. You have to look for the girl that will offer 50+25+25+25+25, but it mainly offered by girls to regular guests or guests that they may like and at times to newbies.

Samya does indeed have the 50+25+50+25+50+25 tariff structure.

Maxime
02-26-14, 21:38
I've read a lot in this forum but reading too much can also confuse you more and more. I have the chance to come up to Düsseldorf in a couple of weeks and trying to check one of the FKK or Saunaclubs around. I guess the following 3 clubs will be reachable by me without big problems: Dolce Vita, Haus Panthera and Living Room.

Considering the follwoing points which one should I visit:

- Lineup of the girls (mixed nations inkl. Asian, beauty, number of girls avaiable or to choose)

- Approach of the girls (I like it more that the girls approach me as the first step than I have to do the first step. I like to "speak" with the eyes.

- Kissing: A bit DFK before the room to "convience" me to join her in the room.

Any help is welcome!

JJ
FreeDude and Maxime are the go to punters for service oriented club info. Hopefully they can chime in on this.Ok then. Giving the criteria you mention, I think Panthera will indeed be the best choice. Close to Dusseldorf Airport, relax atmosphere, ALL girls offer DFK, and most of them on the couch (or even BBBJ on the couch). They do not animate, but are not completely silent / expression-less like the fashion dolls in Acapulco and it is normal to chat a little, and then either go the room, or not. No Zimmer-stress. Between 15 and 25 girls present (see website for examples) , of course many Rumanian (but with good service!) , some very good Bulgarian, also few Polish, one African, one German, sometimes some from south America.

In LR there are more girls, and they tend to me a but more beautiful, but you have to get lucky on the service front.

Dolce Vita you can avoid, optic is ok (but not top-level) but don't expect any foreplay or DFK or anything (and you can be lucky with one or two good girls).

Enjoy!

Breadman
02-26-14, 22:14
I have the chance to come up to Düsseldorf in a couple of weeks

JJFlying into what city? Almost sounds like your flying into Frankfurt and you want to head "up" to Dusseldorf.

JayJay28
02-26-14, 22:18
Ok then. Giving the criteria you mention, I think Panthera will indeed be the best choice. Enjoy!Thanks for the information. Sounds as a good advice. I guess I'll have to try it.

Trans Atlantic
02-27-14, 04:43
I agree with Maxime, Panthera girls don't look that great but more couch time. DV not much couch time. Food at all three places are similar.

Food at Acapulco is best left alone.

PussyLiccker
02-28-14, 13:59
Yes, if service is weighed more than optics, perhaps Panthera is better. I don't like the number of girls. 15-25 is not a lot compared to other clubs. I personally recommend LR over Panthera because of the number of girls available since it would provide wide range of choices when it comes of looks and you'll find girls to provide couch action also, and I've experienced kissing with majority of the girls there. I've experienced kissing on the couch, and I've seen punters making out with girls on the couch. I see lots of couch action during the evening. Some girls provide that, and others that don't hang out in the bar area. Food is often very good, and they serve extended period there, and there are varieties of beer that is included to the entry fee.

I would agree DV is on the bottom of the list when it comes to service.

Only service oriented club I've been to is F39, and I didn't think the service was better than what I got from other clubs. Why go there if I can get good service with better looking girls, large number of girls, better atmosphere (it's rather dull at F39) to choose from? I go there to check if there is a gem in there from time to time, which is always possible, and it's good to have a day club on the list since most clubs doesn't get going til the evening. I believe F39 is 50 constant, I wish it was 25 after first half, then it would be more worthwhile.

Are all service oriented clubs like F39, quiet, girls sitting on the couch, not much else going on?

Chasing
02-28-14, 21:50
Thanks for all the good info on this forum about the different clubs. Can somebody please tell me which fkk / sauna clubs provide free beer or liquor with your paid entry fees in the NRW. Which one do you guys think has the best of free alcohol and best line up ladies as well. Thanks in advance. Also what do you guys think of the club Yin Yang.

Beffen1
03-01-14, 03:40
Thanks for all the good info on this forum about the different clubs. Can somebody please tell me which fkk / sauna clubs provide free beer or liquor with your paid entry fees in the NRW. Which one do you guys think has the best of free alcohol and best line up ladies as well. Thanks in advance. Also what do you guys think of the club Yin Yang.Living Room and Golden Time both have extensive array of free beers both bottled and on tap. I don't recall if they have liquor, but if they do it is for purchase.

Surprizingly, Oase gives free booze- grappa or Sambuca with espresso only. Beers are 10 euro.

Hessen Bub
03-01-14, 10:51
Best alcohol offer and worst line-up: Bernd's = Schieferhof. All the booze you want is free.

HB

Jimmy Boy 99
03-01-14, 16:16
Thanks for all the good info on this forum about the different clubs. Can somebody please tell me which fkk / sauna clubs provide free beer or liquor with your paid entry fees in the NRW. Which one do you guys think has the best of free alcohol and best line up ladies as well. Thanks in advance. Also what do you guys think of the club Yin Yang.PHG also has a wide selection of self-serve beers, including the Czech beer Pilsner Urquell. Also, they used to have one day a week (I think it was Wednesday) when you could get 4 selected cocktail drinks for free or a 20 Euro reduction on the entrance price (check out their website to see if they still do it). VV has two kinds of beer on tap for free. Samya has free self-serve beer, including 3 kinds of beer (kolsh) that is drunk primarily in the Cologne area.

PussyLiccker
03-01-14, 20:34
I posted this way back on the lounge.


I don't recommend too much alcohol in the clubs as it reduces your likelyhood of finishing a session with a happy face. Or some girls say makes it difficult to get a drunk man hard. Alcohol does bring the mood up in the club though.

Here are a list of clubs that serves free beer.

GT and Living Room-free and many varieties in the fridge for taking in addition to wheat beer. I've seen wine and mixed drink served later at night.

PHG-Just like GT beer is free including wheat beer, and many varieties for the taking in the fridge. Never tried spirits there, and not sure if its free or cheap. Lots of alcohol drinkers here at this club. I believe girls are freely allowed to drink here. Many girls drink mixed drinks and dances, it's a party atmosphere at night.

Dolce Vita (Dusseldorf).free also, but only tap beer no varieties to choose from.

Maintattan-free, but same as Dolce Vita.

World-Same as bothWhat about Samya or Sharks?

Hessen Bub
03-01-14, 23:13
Samya. Free self serve fridges for beer.

Sharks. Beer is 5 or 6€.

HB

Timberline
03-02-14, 00:19
I'm planning a return trip in the latter part of June and have a couple of questions specifically about Oase, Mainhatten and Sharks. I know that there are outdoor areas and just wondered if the ladies seem to hang out more outside or inside the club as I'm not keen on sitting around outside getting sun burnt. Also are the clubs really hot inside or do they control the temp so its not so hot inside. One more if I may, just wondering how the World Cup games will effect the amount of people at the clubs.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

PussyLiccker
03-02-14, 02:28
I'm planning a return trip in the latter part of June and have a couple of questions specifically about Oase, Mainhatten and Sharks. I know that there are outdoor areas and just wondered if the ladies seem to hang out more outside or inside the club as I'm not keen on sitting around outside getting sun burnt. Also are the clubs really hot inside or do they control the temp so its not so hot inside. One more if I may, just wondering how the World Cup games will effect the amount of people at the clubs.

Thanks in advance for any replies.I recall Oase being very hot inside without proper cooling during the summer, and often seen couples go outside to have sex at night since it's much cooler. I believe recently a new ventilation system was installed at Oase? So, hopefully, it would keep the inside cool on the hot days. I quite enjoyed Oase outdoor area when the weather was warm. Mainhattain has an outdoor area, but the club doesn't have many girls during the day. I recall more girls showing up during the days when the weather is nice for punters to relax outside at Oase. It's also nice since you can really makeout girl's appearances in daylight since it's dark inside.

That leads me to the question if Oase attracts more girls during the summer because of the outdoor area? Also World has outdoor area which is quite large, and I didn't frequent Sharks in the summer so don't have much memories of the Sharks outdoor area. I prefer Oase outdoor out of them all. Hopefully, this summer Oase attracts lots of nice new girls.

Beffen1
03-02-14, 03:11
I'm planning a return trip in the latter part of June and have a couple of questions specifically about Oase, Mainhatten and Sharks. I know that there are outdoor areas and just wondered if the ladies seem to hang out more outside or inside the club as I'm not keen on sitting around outside getting sun burnt. Also are the clubs really hot inside or do they control the temp so its not so hot inside. One more if I may, just wondering how the World Cup games will effect the amount of people at the clubs.

Thanks in advance for any replies.Oase has the best outdoor poolside scene during summer. If its nice out, most girl will hang outside by the pool. World pool scene is very sedate, rarely some girls will frolick in or by the pool but not very much. As for airconditioning, the newer small rooms by the jacuzzi at Oase used to be sweat boxes and you could pass out in summer if you tried to session in there, but now they are among the coolest with newly installed airconditioning. The main rooms ventilation is also improved, if Mauro has deigned to turn on the AC. Sharks rooms can be quite warm if it is hot outside but the upstairs ones have windows you can open. World downstairs rooms can be quite warm during hot summer weather, but the cabins are nice and the upstairs bigger rooms have windows you can open so its OK.I've never been to Mainhattan in summer to view the pool scene.

At Oase, there are some large umbrellas you can park under to avoid sunburn and still watch the girls rubbing oil on themselves and trying to seduce all the fat walrusess basking in the sun.

TankTank123
03-02-14, 04:33
in addition, oase has those oversized couches with individual retractable sunshades rep001tered along the boundary in the pool area and at the ends of the field. they are excellent for 'couch' action in the open.

i spent many glorious afternoons on them last summer with my favorites, and cannot wait for this summer to come again. the only one irritating experience i had was when the tina turner sisters (i think) occupied a neighbouring couch almost the whole afternoon, and kept giggling looking at what we were doing.

the new airconditioning system was turned on in all the days i was there last summer, so it was pleasantly cool throughout. i even almost caught a chill one of those days in one of the small rooms beside the jacuzzi, as the room was really cold despite the heat outside.

AugustYa
03-03-14, 05:29
Hi guys,

Finally see my Frankfurt Coming through. And I am terribly sexcited yay! Since I want to save most of money for some good sessions with those gorgeous babes that I have till now just heard about from people here. Finally it is time to experience it and so I don't want to spend too much on Accommodation / Hotel. Can you guys please suggest a not so expensive, cheap Hotel in Frankfurt which is like, at a very close distance from 'The Palace' and most of the other FKK Clubs nearby like Oase, Shark, Mainhattn. Even If it is like a 10-15 Minutes walking or public Transport do not mind. But has to be at such a location from where all the Major FKK Clubs in Frankfurt are accessible like Palace, Mainhattan etc.

I am looking out for something in the range of like. 50 Euros to 60 Euros Per Night. Yes that is what I am looking out for. Don't think Hostel would work because also have a Friend along and I don't think we would want to hang out at a Hostel.

Any suggestions guys. Need to do the Booking Real quick in some time!

Capt Dan
03-05-14, 00:43
I don't want to spend too much on Accommodation / Hotel. Can you guys please suggest a not so expensive, cheap Hotel in Frankfurt which is like, at a very close distance from 'The Palace' and most of the other FKK Clubs nearby like Oase, Shark, Mainhattn. Even If it is like a 10-15 Minutes walking or public Transport do not mind. But has to be at such a location from where all the Major FKK Clubs in Frankfurt are accessible like Palace, Mainhattan etc.No one hotel is close to all the clubs which you mention above (FKK Oase, FKK Sharks, FKK Mainhattan and FKK Palace) unless you have rented an automobile. I suggest that you check out the following hotel chains (Accor Hotels, B&B Hotels and perhaps Fleming Hotels. There is a Fleming Hotel nest door to FKK Palace and each of these hotel chains have several hotels in the Frankfurt area) and compare the location of each hotel with the above mentioned FKK clubs (using Google maps). You should be able to find a hotel to meet your budget from any of the above hotel chains, provided there is no trade fair in town coinciding with your visit. If there is a significant trade fair at the time of your visit, room rates are likely to be at least double.

CD

PussyLiccker
03-05-14, 05:30
Hi guys,

Finally see my Frankfurt Coming through. And I am terribly sexcited yay! Since I want to save most of money for some good sessions with those gorgeous babes that I have till now just heard about from people here. Finally it is time to experience it and so I don't want to spend too much on Accommodation / Hotel. Can you guys please suggest a not so expensive, cheap Hotel in Frankfurt which is like, at a very close distance from 'The Palace' and most of the other FKK Clubs nearby like Oase, Shark, Mainhattn. Even If it is like a 10-15 Minutes walking or public Transport do not mind. But has to be at such a location from where all the Major FKK Clubs in Frankfurt are accessible like Palace, Mainhattan etc.

I am looking out for something in the range of like. 50 Euros to 60 Euros Per Night. Yes that is what I am looking out for. Don't think Hostel would work because also have a Friend along and I don't think we would want to hang out at a Hostel.

Any suggestions guys. Need to do the Booking Real quick in some time!I can picture you as soon as you walk in the club. I should not recommend Palace for you since you may go all nuts there and get sharked to hell there with tons of extras. Well, hopefully you can contain yourself.

50-60 is really doable, given that there is no major Messe that raises the hotel prices, but interestingly hotels near the hauptbahnhof (main train station where it's connected to all the lines) are low priced, don't know if it's because the Red Light District is there. LOL. Matter a fact, my first hotel was right at the RLD. LOL. When I wasn't at the club, I would explore the RLD, walking up the stairs floor after floor building after building. Found some nice girls during the day. Noticed the young, good looking ones work during the day.

Ok, back to hotels. I recommend two search engines. Kayak and bookings. They both have a map mode so you can see all the hotels locations on a map with prices labeled on them, it's very convenient. For newbies I recommend getting a hotel near main train station(hauptbahnhof) since all the trains connect there, and all clubs are easily accessible from there. Especially you if you plan to hit several different clubs. Easiest are Mainhattan and Palace. World the toughest. You need to either google or search on their respective threads on how to precisely get there via transportation. You should be able to figure out Mainhattan, Palace, and Sharks from Google Maps transportation over-lay and schedules on RMV website. Oase, you get off at Friedrichesdorf (less likely cabs at night) or Bad Hamburg and ask the cab outside to drive you to Oase. Look in the map, they both show. Sharks, I forgot, you take a train to Darmstadt stop, and you walk, but look under Sharks thread for precise info. World. I don't know.

Good luck, and remember know the prices, and read on what should be extras and what shouldn't be, and you should be a better noob. LOL.

Lastly, please give us your a reports of your experience in the club. I'm really looking forward to your adventures. lol. If you have bad memory like me, you can write the names of girls down soon as after you talk to them on your mobile, and make a small note. I know, I shouldn't be the one to talk, but I advise it.

Diet Coke
03-05-14, 16:08
I have stayed at Monopol and Excelsior hotels on the river side of HBF. Modest prices not during Messe. Great breakfast and free minibar. Last time I was there this site was blocked though. Less than a block outside HBF.

Jazzy001
03-06-14, 01:09
I have visit FKk before. Yes I love FKK's Clubs. Now I want to try Partytreff Clubs. Any advice are recommendation?

Sportsman
03-06-14, 02:37
I have visit FKk before. Yes I love FKK's Clubs. Now I want to try Partytreff Clubs. Any advice are recommendation?I suggest you read the Partytreff section first and then ask the question there.

PussyLiccker
03-06-14, 05:23
I have a dilemma, and hopefully somebody here can help me figure out a solution. I have plans to fly out to NRW later this year, and it makes sense for me to land in Amsterdam as the trip is shorter and price is cheaper. I will then rent a car from Amsterdam, but the cheapest way from me to fly out to Vienna is from Dusseldorf. So I will be in Europe 10 days, base of operations around NRW, and will be moving out to other places through Dusseldorf, such as Vienna, Zurich, and Berlin. Yeah, this is going to be the most comprehensive trip ever!

I will rent a car from Amsterdam since I will land there, and will need to get the NRW. I will rent out the car from Amsterdam for the 9 days, and will be flying out to other countries every now and then.

Where around Dusseldorf can I have my rental car parked for free while I'm out and about on the other countries and not get the car towed? This is the big problem when you plan to fly to other countries and back and keep a rental at the NRW.

I know, I could rent the car at Dusseldorf, but I land in Amsterdam, and it's most economical option for me to rent it for the whole duration even though I will be out to Zurich or Vienna, or Berlin half the time.

UltraHappy
03-06-14, 05:37
I have a dilemma, and hopefully somebody here can help me figure out a solution. I have plans to fly out to NRW later this year, and it makes sense for me to land in Amsterdam as the trip is shorter and price is cheaper. I will then rent a car from Amsterdam, but the cheapest way from me to fly out to Vienna is from Dusseldorf. So I will be in Europe 10 days, base of operations around NRW, and will be moving out to other places through Dusseldorf, such as Vienna, Zurich, and Berlin. Yeah, this is going to be the most comprehensive trip ever!

I will rent a car from Amsterdam since I will land there, and will need to get the NRW. I will rent out the car from Amsterdam for the 9 days, and will be flying out to other countries every now and then. Where can I have my rental car parked for free while I'm out and about on the other countries? This is the big problem when you plan to fly to other countries and back and keep a rental at the NRW.

I know, I could rent the car at Dusseldorf, but I land in Amsterdam, and it's most economical option for me to rent it for the whole duration even though I will be out to Zurich or Vienna, or Berlin half the time.I've parked my car at some of the outlying metro stations before without problem. For example, I've left my rental car at Friedrichsdorf bahnhof parking most of the day every day because my hotel didn't have any good parking. I just walked back and forth from my hotel to the Friedrichsdorf bahnhof. It was extra cold, but I managed. I don't know what the rules are about leaving your car there for several days but I didn't see any parking signs that gave any guidance one way or the other there. I imagine you could park at one of the outlying NRW bahnhofs for an extended period as well.

If you go far enough out of the city, you can find free street parking. Many outlying hotels also have free parking as well. Booking. Com indicates whether a hotel's parking is free or not.

You are smart to return the rental car back to Amsterdam. The one-way fees for renting from Amsterdam one-way to Germany are an absolute killer!

PussyLiccker
03-06-14, 05:44
If you go far enough out of the city, you can find free street parking. Many outlying hotels also have free parking as well. Booking. Com indicates whether a hotel's parking is free or not.That's the thing. I'm not booking any hotels in Germany during the times I'm out of the country, and need the car parked somewhere and I don't want to pay the high airport parking fees. I don't think they will let me park there if I'm not staying at the hotel. Street parking is an option, but they may have signs and need to be accessible to transportation to the airport.


You are smart to return the rental car back to Amsterdam. The one-way fees for renting from Amsterdam one-way to Germany are an absolute killer!Yeah, I have checked that option and it was way expensive.

BadinSweet
03-06-14, 08:15
There are park and ride around DUS. I did something similar on my last trip when I left Germany to London for a football game. Map of DUS:

http://www.rheinbahn.de/fahrplan/Liniennetzplne/Liniennetzplan

%20Duesseldorf. Pdf

Syzygies
03-06-14, 08:40
There are park and ride around DUS. I did something similar on my last trip when I left Germany to London for a football game. Map of DUS:

http://www.rheinbahn.de/fahrplan/Liniennetzplne/Liniennetzplan

%20Duesseldorf. PdfYou need to edit your post to make sure the link has no blanks in it and is completely between the URL tag and the backslash close URL tag. Otherwise it won't work.

Always test clicking on the URL link to see if it actually works.

Trans Atlantic
03-06-14, 09:35
I have a dilemma, and hopefully somebody here can help me figure out a solution. I have plans to fly out to NRW later this year, and it makes sense for me to land in Amsterdam as the trip is shorter and price is cheaper. I will then rent a car from Amsterdam, but the cheapest way from me to fly out to Vienna is from Dusseldorf. So I will be in Europe 10 days, base of operations around NRW, and will be moving out to other places through Dusseldorf, such as Vienna, Zurich, and Berlin. Yeah, this is going to be the most comprehensive trip ever!

I will rent a car from Amsterdam since I will land there, and will need to get the NRW. I will rent out the car from Amsterdam for the 9 days, and will be flying out to other countries every now and then.

Where around Dusseldorf can I have my rental car parked for free while I'm out and about on the other countries and not get the car towed? This is the big problem when you plan to fly to other countries and back and keep a rental at the NRW.

I know, I could rent the car at Dusseldorf, but I land in Amsterdam, and it's most economical option for me to rent it for the whole duration even though I will be out to Zurich or Vienna, or Berlin half the time.Have you consider taking train from AMS to DUS, do your thing in NRW and return the car before going to the other places and if possible fly back from Vienna / Berlin etc?

PussyLiccker
03-06-14, 09:40
Have you consider taking train from AMS to DUS, do your thing in NRW and return the car before going to the other places and if possible fly back from Vienna / Berlin etc?I did and also FRA. FRA makes more sense to take the train although I don't have the freedom I would need, but I would be better off than NRW without a car. Believe me, I tried all combinations. I found out good pricing when moving from Duss to Zurich, and also Duss to Vien, and Duss to Berlin. Found a nice multi-destination combination at really low cost, where I can move from city to city. I've looked into trains for all these places, the best for me is flying.

For NRW, I prefer not to do train. I need a car.

BadinSweet
03-06-14, 19:34
You need to edit your post to make sure the link has no blanks in it and is completely between the URL tag and the backslash close URL tag. Otherwise it won't work.

Always test clicking on the URL link to see if it actually works.Yeah, I saw it came out like that but I figure someone can just copy the URL or link (right click, and copy link location) then add the rest of the text to the URL.

Anyhow, here's another attempt:

DUS Map with Park and Ride:

www.rheinbahn.de/fahrplan/Liniennetzplne/Liniennetzplan Duesseldorf.pdf

Cologne list:

http://www.kvb-koeln.de/german/fahrplan/parkandride.html#k%C3%B6ln

PussyLiccker
03-06-14, 19:58
Thanks BS, I assume overnight will not get towed.

McAdonis
03-06-14, 20:08
Just look on Google Maps for S-bahn stops on the outskirts of the city inside a residential area. I've done this more times than I can count at the Munich airport. The flat my company pays for in Germany is only 300 meters from an S-bahn stop. The area where I live is like gingerbread houses-not high rises. So anybody can park without a permit, because there is an abundance of street parking. People in Germany don't have as many cars per capita as the USA. I've left my car for weeks without moving it!

McAdonis
03-06-14, 20:15
You could also look into Ryanair budget airline for your intra-European travel. Between the major hubs and in advance it is much cheaper. Frankfurt to Milan is like 35 EUR round trip with Ryanair. That same ticket on the other "budget" airlines like Germanwings or EasyJet is like 250 EUR. So paying 8 EUR a day for parking is usually not that bad, when you are saving 200 EUR on the plane ticket.

Ryanair tries to make its money being strict on things like exceeding carry-on baggage weight. Or forgetting to print your ticket before arriving the airport.

OfficeMatt
03-07-14, 05:47
Not sure if I am missing something, but why not take the train from Amsterdam to Dusseldorf, rent the car as required in Dusseldorf and then hand it back once done. Why incur needless rental fees? I did this a couple of years ago and it went swimmingly. Was able to drive out to GT and LV, enjoy the Altbier and take in some of the sites.

OfficeMatt
03-07-14, 05:52
I have stayed at Monopol and Excelsior hotels on the river side of HBF. Modest prices not during Messe. Great breakfast and free minibar. Last time I was there this site was blocked though. Less than a block outside HBF.I stayed at Excelsior back in 2010 and got great value. It was in July, during World Cup. Was quite pleased, but found Frankfurt dull. Palace was eye opening at the time.

Treble Machine
03-07-14, 08:23
You could also look into Ryanair budget airline for your intra-European travel. Between the major hubs and in advance it is much cheaper. Frankfurt to Milan is like 35 EUR round trip with Ryanair. That same ticket on the other "budget" airlines like Germanwings or EasyJet is like 250 EUR. So paying 8 EUR a day for parking is usually not that bad, when you are saving 200 EUR on the plane ticket.While I quite agree with this I still think it has to be taken with precautions: yes, for instance Frankfurt to Milan can be quite cheap but you're leaving from Hahn airport which is 120 km and a good hour drive from Frankfurt city center and you will be landing in Bergamo which is not too incovenient but still over 45 minutes away from downtown Milan.

I almost always fly with low cost companies to reach fkk clubs (Ryanair, Easyjet, Transavia and so on) but sometimes (SOMETIMES) depending on where you're going it could be cheaper / easier with bigger airlines (Luthansa, Airfrance, Alitalia.).

However if in doubt Skyscanner is your friend.

Hessen Bub
03-07-14, 17:23
Hahn airport which is 120 km and a good hour drive from Frankfurt city centerYes. They actually do advertise "Frankfurt-Hahn" which is about as true as to advertise Newark Airport as a part of Philadelphia. At least there's a shuttle bus from Hahn to Frankfurt airport or main train station for around 20 EUR.

HB

McAdonis
03-07-14, 20:27
Esteemed mongers,

In regards to your advice about Franfurt Hahn being 120km, I actually agree with every last one of you! I tailored my post to PussyLicker because I know he doesn't mind travelling. PussyLicker uses Amsterdam as his port of entry into Europe presumably because he can save 200-400 EUR. If he flew into Dusseldorf directly, that would knock 4 hours off his round trip. This is also the same PussyLicker that logs 150-200km per day on his rental car while in NRW. I know this because I bumped into PussyLicker once at GT, and he told me had been at GT three of the previous four days-despite his hotel being on the opposite side of the Rhein in Wuppertal. PussyLicker also does three clubs a day during his 4-5 day marathons. So GT, Acapulco, Mondial in the same day is not uncommon for him!

I recommend Ryanair if the flights leave early in the morning or on the weekend. The last thing you want is for your shuttle bus / car to get stuck in traffic and cause you to miss your flight. I've parked my car at Hahn least five times, but never took the shuttle. Each time I left the FKK parking lot at 0330 and arrived Hahn by about 0500. The drive is quite relaxing when there are no cars on the road. But it does suck that Hahn is about about 70 minutes from city center. Bergamo about 45 mins. Riga and Gran Canaria were the only Ryanair airports I've been at where I was only 20 minutes from city center. But those places are so small that they only have one regional airport, LOL.

The only Ryanair airport I've been at that has metro / rail links is London Stansted. So I will usually take the slow shuttle when flying into Stansted, but take the Heathrow Express when flying out of Stansted. It costs 18 pounds one way, but definitely worth it if the departure is around rush hour!!

BadinSweet
03-07-14, 23:43
Thanks BS, I assume overnight will not get towed.Not sure about DUS but I assume it should be OK as long as you don't leave the car for more than a couple days. Numerous people on Tripadvisor said they left the car at Park & Ride (in Cologne) overnight and it was fine.

Dufey
03-12-14, 08:09
Welcome to Paradise newspaper article.

http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/projects/welcome-to-paradise/index.html

I am not sure if this article has been seen before, so please excuse me if it has been posted before. The article is extensive as it covers the FKK clubs like Paradise in Stuttgart and Paradise Saarbrucken to the mega brothel Pascha in Cologne, to ordering your sex worker off the internet, to the streetwalkers working out of caravans parked on the street and driven in car park boxes in some German towns. There are pictures and videos of these locations.

The article seeks views from the perspective of the club owners, to the customers who buy sex to the working girls (invariably Romanian). It says in 2002 that there were 400, 000 prostitutes in Germany that services 1. 2 million men a day compared to a total German population of 83, 251, 851 (July 2002 estimate). It is now meant to be a 18 Billion euros industry in Germany. The implication is that with the proliferation of clubs and other sex industry that the number of sex workers is much higher today fuelled by girls coming from the newer accession countries of the European Union.

It is interesting the references to girls calling their boyfriends their "man" as opposed to something like pimp. Then there is the bit about the police saying it is a stupid pimp who drops their working girls at the gate where they work.

There is also the current discussion between criminalisation and legalisation of prostitution in Germany and the European Union in general.

The last paragraph is telling when the owner of Paradise is asked whether he would be okay with any of his privately educated daughters working as prostitutes and the owner of Paradise saying that his daughters having better professional opportunities than the prostitutes that work in his FKK clubs.

This article is a good primer.

Kaisar
03-15-14, 02:22
Welcome to Paradise newspaper article.

http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/projects/welcome-to-paradise/index.htmlThank you Dufey for this link. Very interesting and informative.

Panhead
03-21-14, 20:52
Hey guys,

I will be in Germany the first week of April and looking at Hotels for three nights. I see a place in Benrath close to the A59 would this be a good location? I will have a rental car and the hotel gives a free public trans ticket for the time of stay. I have done trips to Frankfurt but this one will be all NRW. I have been to Palace, Oase, Sharks my fav of the big clubs. I have also been to Diezenbach 3 times good place for my cheap side. Help a brother out.

Thanks,

Panhead

DavidBkr
03-24-14, 14:01
Hi guys,

I have had a bit of a browse about the page. Lots of info here just my head is a bit thick. LOL.

Thinking of planning a quick trip from UK to Nurburgring for a quick lap around the track in the ring taxi and then fly back to the UK first thing in the morning. I wonder if there is enough time to get some FKK action?

Never been to club like this and never been to Germany. I am expecting too much given the language barrier or will someone be at the club that can speak english? Sorry if dumb questions but I have no idea.

It will probably be like landing on a new planet for me.

Seems as if Cologne is the closest airport for Nurburg so something between there and the airport will be good. Any suggestions?

Banana Boi
03-24-14, 18:21
Seems as if Cologne is the closest airport for Nurburg so something between there and the airport will be good. Any suggestions?In Cologne the main sauna clubs are Samya, Mondial, and Parksauna Residenz, each with their own threads. There is also an incall (ie. Not a FKK) setting named Teenyland as well as the world's largest laufhaus if your time is very limited. The Cologne Bonn airport is about 15 minutes to Samya and PSR.

Frankfurt airport isn't much further than Cologne airport so you can consider a bigger true FKK in FRA like World, Oase, Mainhattan. Sharks would be a bit out of the way. Do not recommend Palace to newbies.

AugustYa
03-24-14, 18:37
Never been to club like this and never been to Germany. I am expecting too much given the language barrier or will someone be at the club that can speak english? Sorry if dumb questions but I have no idea.Before going to Germany I was under the impression Gemans are the second best community to speak English after the actual English people. And I have met some German people working at some pretty responsible jobs and positions so they do speak english pretty well. But a common German man or a woman on the streets of Frankfurt is a different thing. Yes not everyone speaks fluent English but it is not hard to communicate absolutely not, I used to always communicate in English and would get almost immediate response yes with a occasional snub with people saying sorry no English. As far as the clubs go it is absolutely no problem. It is supposed to be a tourist spot with people arriving from different parts of the world so they have to be speaking some English!

Hessen Bub
03-24-14, 19:35
It is supposed to be a tourist spot with people arriving from different parts of the world so they have to be speaking some English!Nobody in Germany HAS to speak English. Why? Most people do, some better, some worse. Just learn some German.

HB

Syzygies
03-24-14, 19:48
Never been to club like this and never been to Germany. I am expecting too much given the language barrier or will someone be at the club that can speak english? Sorry if dumb questions but I have no idea.When I first started at Fkk, I knew very little German. No problem. Many of staff and girls speak good English. Some Romanian girls understand basic English but are not used to speaking it much. Just choose girls you can understand well.

On the other hand I have had fantastic sex sessions with girls that had no English at all and I had no Spanish, e. G. Cuban girl. Intellectual conversation is not necessary. Language barrier can be fun. I also remember fantastic time with a German-Greek girl with very little English. She was stunning and wonderful. Just don't worry about it, and pick up some basic words.

AugustYa
03-24-14, 20:17
On the other hand I have had fantastic sex sessions with girls that had no English at all and I had no Spanish, e. G. Cuban girl. Intellectual conversation is not necessary. Language barrier can be fun. I also remember fantastic time with a German-Greek girl with very little English. She was stunning and wonderful. Just don't worry about it, and pick up some basic words.I agree. Same experience with me my last day, last session with a girl again a Romanian very limited English she also admitted that. And at times she had to use the sign language to express what she wanted to say but was amazing experience Very sweet girl unfortunately this same girl the incident of the condom left inside her happen with me :) That kind of traumatised me. Taking away a bit of fun :(

AugustYa
03-24-14, 20:19
Nobody in Germany HAS to speak English. Why? Most people do, some better, some worse. Just learn some German.

HBYou a German? :)

Breadman
03-24-14, 20:57
I find it odd that a rookie poster knows how to get a smiley face and a frown to show up on a forum that doesn't offer such options.

Banana Boi
03-24-14, 21:02
I have a good idea of who he is. :)

DavidBkr
03-25-14, 00:06
Before going to Germany I was under the impression Gemans are the second best community to speak English after the actual English people. And I have met some German people working at some pretty responsible jobs and positions so they do speak english pretty well. But a common German man or a woman on the streets of Frankfurt is a different thing. Yes not everyone speaks fluent English but it is not hard to communicate absolutely not, I used to always communicate in English and would get almost immediate response yes with a occasional snub with people saying sorry no English. As far as the clubs go it is absolutely no problem. It is supposed to be a tourist spot with people arriving from different parts of the world so they have to be speaking some English!Thank you for the information.

Someone mentioned learning some German. I would love to, but I live in outback Australia and only have the opportunity this one time to day trip to Germany so I think the effort involved for a few hours is a bit of false economics. LOL

Syzygies
03-25-14, 01:34
I find it odd that a rookie poster knows how to get a smiley face and a frown to show up on a forum that doesn't offer such options.Really? Just reply to someone who used a smiley. It sort of jumps out at you. And everyone has to edit to correct auto corrupted posts. ;)

Ortos
03-25-14, 06:06
You a troll? .

HB+++1 LOL! That's a great response. :)

AugustYa
03-25-14, 06:45
+++1 LOL! That's a great response. :)Did that delight you? Just like it delights me :) when I take a dig against you :) Expect coming more from me! :) You start it you will get it twice back young boy! :)

BonePony
03-25-14, 08:09
Gentlemen: I'm planning another trip in May and need some expert advice. I will be in the Frankfurt area on the weekends, but will go to Budapest mid week. I will have the opportunity to check out one or two other clubs when traveling between the cities. Which of the following options would be worth a visit?

1) Golden Time, Vienna.

2) Globe, Zurich.

3) Collosseum, Augsburg.

4) Babylon, Bratislava (minimal information on this option)

Thanks for tour input!

BP

Dufey
03-25-14, 08:42
Gentlemen: I'm planning another trip in May and need some expert advice. I will be in the Frankfurt area on the weekends, but will go to Budapest mid week. I will have the opportunity to check out one or two other clubs when traveling between the cities. Which of the following options would be worth a visit?

1) Golden Time, Vienna.

2) Globe, Zurich.

3) Collosseum, Augsburg.

4) Babylon, Bratislava (minimal information on this option)

Thanks for tour input!

BPIf it is on the way, do stop by Golden Time in Vienna and Coliseum in Augsburg. Coliseum I would not make a special trip just to visit that club. Just like I do not make special visits to just go to a club in NRW when there are clubs closer.

ShoesAndSocks
03-25-14, 10:19
Someone mentioned learning some German. I would love to, but I live in outback Australia and only have the opportunity this one time to day trip to Germany so I think the effort involved for a few hours is a bit of false economics. LOLDon't worry, mate. You'll be fine. People you'll deal with during your travels (customs / police, hotels, airlines) pretty much all speak English at least to the extent required to deal with you. And, at all the FKKs I've been to, staff and high percentage of ladies can converse in English. You can skip the few who don't and still be very spoiled for choice.

If you really get stuck and need to find an English speaker, target the 15-30 age group. I've yet to meet anyone in GER / AUT / SWI in this group who doesn't speak English.

Can't really help you with clubs near Cologne as I've yet to experience the NRW myself. I'd certainly try to make it to one, even if it costs a bit, as this FKK stuff is something not to be missed.

GettingTang
03-26-14, 15:10
This might sound like a stupid question, although I've always told everyone, the only stupid question is one that is not asked. Since the clubs all only take cash, and while at the clubs you wear only a towel or robe, what do you do with your cash? Leave it in the locker and go back each time to pay the girl? Do you leave it with some sort of accountant and start a "tab?"

Also, can you bring in your own footwear? Slippers? Sandals, or what?

Thanks!

AugustYa
03-26-14, 15:30
This might sound like a stupid question, although I've always told everyone, the only stupid question is one that is not asked. Since the clubs all only take cash, and while at the clubs you wear only a towel or robe, what do you do with your cash? Leave it in the locker and go back each time to pay the girl? Do you leave it with some sort of accountant and start a "tab?"

Also, can you bring in your own footwear? Slippers? Sandals, or what?

Thanks!There is a locker provided to keep your wallet, mobile phone etc you are given one key that opens your locker and your changing room locker you can keep your wallet in the small locker. No need to bring your own footwear. You are given a pair of slippers along with towel / robe! Absolutely nothing to worry about!

Banana Boi
03-26-14, 15:55
There is a locker provided to keep your wallet, mobile phone etc you are given one key that opens your locker and your changing room locker you can keep your wallet in the small locker. No need to bring your own footwear. You are given a pair of slippers along with towel / robe! Absolutely nothing to worry about!Not all clubs have a separate money locker. Not all clubs provide robes. Yes, you can bring your own sandals / flip flops.

AugustYa
03-26-14, 16:02
Not all clubs have a separate money locker. Not all clubs provide robes. Yes, you can bring your own sandals / flip flops.OASE, sharks, Mainhattan, Palace! All have it !! What you talking about?

One can bring whatever he wants to, point is, is it required ??

Hessen Bub
03-26-14, 17:01
OASE, sharks, Mainhattan, Palace! All have it !! What you talking about?Why don't you just keep quiet when grown ups are talking? Golden time, Living Room, Paradise, Royal, Samya. No separate lockers. And there are more.

If you feel more comfortable with your own flip flops or even towel or robe. Sure you can bring it, same for shower gel.

HB

Ortos
03-26-14, 17:25
Why don't you just keep quiet when grown ups are talking?Are we going to keep feeding the TROLL? We all know that one rotten apple can spoil the whole barrell, so there seems to be a rather obvious solution to the obnoxious / useless / non-constructive / nothing-but-a-space-filler problem we all have, yes?

HB: Wie heisst "ignore and pray it goes away" auf Deutsch? It's like when the Village Idiot knocks on your door, just don't answer it.

Beffen1
03-26-14, 18:17
Just like an idiot like you who has been lurking here for years with some fake post counts and pretending to be serving the entire FKK community!Dude ya, you are a moron. Ortos is a frequent and experienced traveller in FKKs, he was my in person guide when I started and has been a friend of many here on line and in the clubs for many years. You, on the other hand, pester senior members with four page PM's asking endless obsessive rambling silly questions and are an annoyance and useless troll. So STFU will you.

AugustYa
03-26-14, 18:22
Dude ya, you are a moron. Ortos is a frequent and experienced traveller in FKKs, he was my in person guide when I started and has been a friend of many here on line and in the clubs for many years. You, on the other hand, pester senior members with four page PM's asking endless obsessive rambling silly questions and are an annoyance and useless troll. So STFU will you.Ok You aren't telling me to shut up yeah ? Because I am not shutting up yet !

Senior Member is not some Knighthood given to anyone that he is considered a Demi God! The very fact that some guys cannot see any new person here coming and talking, asking, posting questions and occassionaly post reports is shoving up many of the guy's backside! Do you also want to incude your name in that. Don't do that! You were nice when I PM you! Now You are changing my opinion about you!

Chezz
03-26-14, 18:52
AugustYa, this would be a good time for you to take your foot off the gas. Hessen Bub and Ortos (among others) have provided loads of useful info and your insults towards them are not helping your cause. Ease up a bit. Your time here will be much more enjoyable.


FO! If you can read it and understand it FO! Get it!

And you dumbo idiot did the earlier guy told you any names of any FKK's he was just asking in general so I told him what is the case in and around Frankfurt!

Grown up's also have some common sense! Where is yours?

AugustYa
03-26-14, 18:56
AugustYa, this would be a good time for you to take your foot off the gas. Hessen Bub and Ortos (among others) have provided loads of useful info and your insults towards them are not helping your cause. Ease up a bit. Your time here will be much more enjoyable.But where have I denied that ? I am just reacting to what they post against me. I can be twice nice to someone who is nice to me, BUt please dont bullshit me with harping the same song ! I am senior...I am senior !! I didn't intend to sound or start any harsh and Rude communication! In fact I have got some good information here. But they are the one's who are always trying to prove how is their Dick made up of Gold and How is others Rotten! I did not start it they started it. Initially with Ortos then followed by his Gang! If they stop using their fake / false ego to make others feel as if they are the biggest favor to mankind and they are Gods only gift to Mankind! I am not the one who is starting it!

Chezz
03-26-14, 19:45
The difference is your reactions are way over the top. And yes, some members are treated differently. And the reason why is because they've earned it. They've spent years here dispensing good, EXTREMELY ACCURATE, information. And that information has saved me -- and mongers like me -- endless amounts of time and money. Ortos doesn't have a gang. But what he DOES have are people who respect his opinion. Same with HB and a group of others. I hate to tell you, but your information about secondary lockers, robes, flip-flops, etc, was inaccurate. And when people call you out on this, you tell them to fuck off. This won't win you many friends, not to mention get you off-line advice.

Again, just back off a bit and have fun. This is the best advice you'll get all day.


But where have I denied that ? I am just reacting to what they post against me. I can be twice nice to someone who is nice to me, BUt please dont bullshit me with harping the same song ! I am senior.I am senior !! I didn't intend to sound or start any harsh and Rude communication! Infact I have got some good information here. But they are the one's who are always trying to prove how is their Dick made up of Gold and How is others Rotten! I did not start it they started it. Initially with Ortos then followed by his Gang! If they stop using their fake / false ego to make others feel as if they are the biggest favor to mankind and they are Gods only gift to Mankind! I am not the one who is starting it!

AugustYa
03-26-14, 19:52
I hate to tell you, but your information about secondary lockers, robes, flip-flops, etc, was inaccurate.I have just retruned a week back from Frankfurt not even 10 days complete and I visited OASE, SHARKS, MAIN HATTAN and Last PALACE and I was given 1 Key that would open the very small safe like Locker and the same key would also open the Locker downstairs in OASE and other places where you change your clothes. I don't know about other places but I can tell you about all these places. Now are you telling what I saw and expreince just a week back. Mind you just a week back, was that a illusion. I can bet on it! Do you want to bet on it! Cmon lets bet 1000 USD!

Chezz
03-26-14, 20:01
This is what I'm talking about. Your answer was wrong, and here is the quote from you:


There is a locker provided to keep your wallet, mobile phone etc you are given one key that opens your locker and your changing room locker you can keep your wallet in the small locker. No need to bring your own footwear. You are given a pair of slippers along with towel / robe! Absolutely nothing to worry about!You didn't specify which clubs you were talking about, so your information was incorrect.


Now are you telling what I saw and expreince just a week back. Mind you just a week back, was that a illusion. I can bet on it! Do you want to bet on it! Cmon lets bet 1000 USD!I don't want your money. And for sure, this will be the last time I'll engage you on this topic. Time to look in the mirror brother and relax a bit. Really, the world isn't against you.

Hessen Bub
03-26-14, 20:01
I am senior.I am senior !!I don't care if a member is senior or junior. I just don't like stupid idiots / trolls using up bandwidth. That's why this is my last post before I put you on ignore. I reported you as a troll to the admin, I hope Jackson's going to take some action soon.

HB

AugustYa
03-26-14, 20:10
I don't care if a member is senior or junior. I just don't like stupid idiots / trolls using up bandwidth. That's why this is my last post before I put you on ignore. I reported you as a troll to the admin, I hope Jackson's going to take some action soon.

HBIs this site your personally owned property that you don't look like someone personally and so you call him troll and you don't want him here! FO! [Deleted by Admin] That guy was asking what the case is in general about bringing personal stuff like slippers etc...you did not read it correctly and just started puking out your crap ! [Deleted by Admin]

And fine good ! You realize that ! If you stop it ! I also stop it !

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AugustYa
03-26-14, 20:14
You didn't specify which clubs you were talking about, so your information was incorrect.But my Friend even when that poster asked it, he was not asking in specific about any club so if he asks general question, he will get general answer isn't it?

Ortos
03-26-14, 20:37
I don't care if a member is senior or junior. I just don't like stupid idiots / trolls using up bandwidth. That's why this is my last post before I put you on ignore. I reported you as a troll to the admin, I hope Jackson's going to take some action soon.

HBI don't hope, I pray Jackson will remove the disturbing filth from our midst. Until then, I think the best way to flush the troll back to the septic tank he crawled out of is: Just simply ignore the TROLL! Let him rant and hurl insults where and as often as he will. Like a raving mad Capt Queeg, he will just show his craziness all the more.

Clearly we are dealing with a raving Lunatic. Please don't respond to his posts. Dufey: don't you recongise a basket case when you see one? As you correctly pointed out in the Oase thread: even on the rare occassions when he does do names, he gets it completly wrong, LOL! Let's all try to contain his rants to this General thread, at least he won't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) into the other pools.

Just don't give this guy any more time or attention. And, based on his behavioral profile, one has to wonder if he is even old enough to be let into an FKK club. Every time he rants and insults, he just digs his hole deeper.

I feel the big flush coming real soon now.

Citizen Kane
03-26-14, 21:38
don't you recongise a basket case when you see one?Only if he's from London.

Banana Boi
03-26-14, 22:52
Isn't there a rule about calling members names, like moron?From the board's general rules.

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Trans Atlantic
03-27-14, 03:04
Thank you for the information.

Someone mentioned learning some German. I would love to, but I live in outback Australia and only have the opportunity this one time to day trip to Germany so I think the effort involved for a few hours is a bit of false economics. LOLIf you stick to the clubs with regular thread traffic in this forum, you will be fine without any knowledge of German. Out of the dozen clubs I've been to, I've only encounter 2-3 girls who couldn't convese in basic English.

Akibono
03-27-14, 04:32
Is this site your personally owned property that you don't look like someone personally and so you call him troll and you don't want him here! FO! Call yourself the Biggest IDIOT here who does not even read lines properly! That guy was asking what the case is in general about bringing personal stuff like slippers etc. You did not read it correctly and just started puking out your crap! Dumb Creature!

And fine good! You realise that! If you stop it! I also stop it!I think Sinatra got it right. Newbie, newbie, newwwwwwww.

AugustYa
03-27-14, 05:18
I don't hope, I pray Jackson will remove the disturbing filth from our midst. Until then, I think the best way to flush the troll back to the septic tank he crawled out of is: Just simply ignore the TROLL! Let him rant and hurl insults where and as often as he will. Like a raving mad Capt Queeg, he will just show his craziness all the more.

Clearly we are dealing with a raving Lunatic. Please don't respond to his posts. Dufey: don't you recongise a basket case when you see one? As you correctly pointed out in the Oase thread: even on the rare occassions when he does do names, he gets it completly wrong, LOL! Let's all try to contain his rants to this General thread, at least he won't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) into the other pools. .

Just don't give this guy any more time or attention. And, based on his behavioral profile, one has to wonder if he is even old enough to be let into an FKK club. Every time he rants and insults, he just digs his hole deeper.

I feel the big flush coming real soon now.And I hope Jackson also reads who started all this, and how and when did I start reacting to it! By the way as far as flushing is concerned just go back and read all my posts to you and if you have some brains you will understand who has flushed whom so far, well I get it, you won't be able to understand it because you don't have it in the first place. Never mind please ask someone to explain it for you! Lol ! :) and also my behavioural profile is all case to case basis like in your case since you want it that way ! You get it that way ! So don't bother about my behaviour profile !

Howie
03-27-14, 06:18
Yes, everything that HB and Optimist says is correct. For a tourist visa, first, you guys fill out the online DS-160 (you can help her fill it out). It used to be a paper form but now it is all online. Here is an example of one filled out:

http://www.immihelp.com/visas/sample-ds-160-form-us-visa-application.pdf

In the box that asks about dates of travel, you can give approximate dates if you aren't sure the exact travel dates. Don't buy your travel tickets until AFTER the visa is approved.Hey Ultrahappy et al,

I'm going to be seeing my honey bunny again soon and will discuss with her about her plans on visiting the US. As I was looking through the example DS-160 form, I noticed that there is a loaded question there that I would be grateful for some feedback as to how it should be answered.

In the Security and Background Information section, the question goes like this.

'Are you coming to the United States to engage in.
Prostitution or unlawful commercialized vice or.
Have you been engaged in prostitution or.
Procuring prostitutes within the past 10 years? '

If this was to be answered as 'Yes' presumably that would be a deal breaker. However if this was to be answered 'No', will there be any background checks and if so what form will that take? Any risk that questions about this being raised at the interview? Actually to expand on that, what type of questions will be asked at the interview?

Howie

ThomasNorway
03-27-14, 07:59
Hey Ultrahappy et al,

I'm going to be seeing my honey bunny again soon and will discuss with her about her plans on visiting the US. As I was looking through the example DS-160 form, I noticed that there is a loaded question there that I would be grateful for some feedback as to how it should be answered.

In the Security and Background Information section, the question goes like this.

'Are you coming to the United States to engage in.

Prostitution or unlawful commercialized vice or.

Have you been engaged in prostitution or.

Procuring prostitutes within the past 10 years? '

If this was to be answered as 'Yes' presumably that would be a deal breaker. However if this was to be answered 'No', will there be any background checks and if so what form will that take? Any risk that questions about this being raised at the interview? Actually to expand on that, what type of questions will be asked at the interview?

HowieWhile I have no actual experience from law enforcement, I highly doubt anyone would run a background check on you unless you stand out for some reason. The sheer volume of people crossing the border makes checking everyone completely impossible. Furthermore, unless you have something on your record, there's nothing to find. It's not like the authorities are trying to keep tabs on the comings and goings of regular customers in brothels around the world. This question on the form is, in all likelyhood, a trap for people doing [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). If they are already under scrutiny before they enter the US, they would further incriminate themselves by lying on the form. So in short. Unless you're trying to traffick prostitutes in / out of the US, I wouldn't be worried.

Chezz
03-27-14, 08:24
AugustYa,

Against my better judgement, I'm going to wade back into this. Please take my advice and just stop. Your posts aren't making your case, and in fact are making it worse for you once Jackson (or xxxxx) decides to weed through all of this and take action. A large group of multi-year members are starting to put you on ignore; that will be all the evidence he needs. You'll start to rack up violations and then you'll get banned. That is a fact. At this moment you are detracting from the value of the board, not adding to it. When it's 99 to 1, you need to start looking in the mirror. Give it a rest. Trust me on this.


And I hope Jackson also reads who started all this, and how and when did I start reacting to it! By the way as far as flushing is concerned just go back and read all my posts to you and if you have some brains you will understand who has flushed whom so far, well I get it, you won't be able to understand it because you don't have it in the first place. Never mind please ask someone to explain it for you! Lol ! :) and also my behavioural profile is all case to case basis like in your case since you want it that way ! You get it that way ! So don't bother about my behaviour profile !

AugustYa
03-27-14, 09:12
At this moment you are detracting from the value of the board, not adding to it.Isn't it strange that someone who is as old as me or as new as me and has as many contributions here as me, is trying to tell me my contribution to the board is nothing. My friend please don't try to be judgemental here! Please don't try to provoke or instigate the situation when not required.

Hessen Bub
03-27-14, 09:19
'Are you coming to the United States to engage in.

Prostitution or unlawful commercialized vice or.

Have you been engaged in prostitution or.

Procuring prostitutes within the past 10 years? 'I guess a "YES" would be a deal breaker. A "NO" should be a common answer and shouldn't raise any additional questions. In an interview I guess she will be asked what and where she has been working the last years, so she should have a story around that. Can't imagine the US authorities doing a background check. If she doesn't show up in a burka. LOL.

HB

Chezz
03-27-14, 09:38
I'm not being judgmental, nor am I your friend (though I am trying to give you some friendly advice). I am amazed how every one in a while I run into someone who clearly doesn't get it.

Apropos of nothing, though my post level is low, I've been a member for 10+ years and most of my contributions have been mainly behind the scenes. Try to read between the lines...

Enjoy the rest of your stay.

Isn't it strange that someone who is as old as me or as new as me and has as many contributions here as me, is trying to tell me my contribution to the board is nothing. My friend please don't try to be judgemental here! :) Please don't try to provoke or instigate the situation when not required.

AugustYa
03-27-14, 11:09
I'm not being judgmental, nor am I your friend (though I am trying to give you some friendly advice). I am amazed how every one in a while I run into someone who clearly doesn't get it.

Apropos of nothing, though my post level is low, I've been a member for 10+ years and most of my contributions have been mainly behind the scenes. Try to read between the lines.

Enjoy the rest of your stay.My contributions have been mainly behind the scenes!

Optimist
03-28-14, 18:42
Augustya. I have very little time to read forums and find it hard when they are blocked with stuff such as you are contributing and provoking. It is years if ever since anyone has offended Beffen, Ortos and HB all together. I think maybe that tells us something. Genuine questions and info please

AugustYa
03-28-14, 19:11
Augustya. I have very little time to read forums and find it hard when they are blocked with stuff such as you are contributing and provoking. It is years if ever since anyone has offended Beffen, Ortos and HB all together. I think maybe that tells us something. Genuine questions and info pleaseOk I am not commenting further more on this, Looks like an entire gang here one after, another you guys come here and start it all over again. Why. When. What for? I will try and contribute my FR whatever and wherever I can but I get pissed off when someone tries to degrade others! By saying he did such a heinous crime by not doing this and not doing that! Anyone who plans to dig this out later...Do it now ! lets get over it again...Cant comment one after another to indiviuals digging this out.

Howie
03-29-14, 13:48
I guess a "YES" would be a deal breaker. A "NO" should be a common answer and shouldn't raise any additional questions. In an interview I guess she will be asked what and where she has been working the last years, so she should have a story around that.

HBHey HB,

She tells me that she is a university student and she is still studying. She is very articulate and her English is impeccable. Hopefully that should be enough to cover the interview questions and her ability to answer them. She has a wish list of things to do and places to visit with a particularly keen interest to visit Los Angeles and Las Vegas. Its been a while since I was last there since I am based on the East coast but its long overdue a revisit to LaLa land. I had great times with some really hot US porn stars the last time I hung out there (Angelina Valentine, Eden Adams, Victoria Sin, Chayse Evans, Sea J Raw) :)

Lets see how it goes....

Howie

Trans Atlantic
03-30-14, 02:29
I guess a "YES" would be a deal breaker. A "NO" should be a common answer and shouldn't raise any additional questions. In an interview I guess she will be asked what and where she has been working the last years, so she should have a story around that. Can't imagine the US authorities doing a background check. If she doesn't show up in a burka. LOL.

HBCaution there.

It would be reasonable for US to see some documentation on employment history, tax returns etc. Not sure if German "pussy tax" I've been reading on this board would provide enough of a paper trail for them to reject visa application for false answer.

BruickLaddie
03-31-14, 21:05
Hi all,

Have just joined the forum. I have been to the Palace before and will be back in Frankfurt after Easter. Do any of you know which club in the FRA area has the most (any) dark skinned or black girls?

Thanks

Iceberg27
04-02-14, 22:58
Hi all,

I am again facing with a big crisis.

I have booked my flight hotel and rental car for NRW (05.04.2014) and after making hours of RTFF I understand that there is no much options in NRW on a Saturday night.

I understand that for example Sharks is a very good choice for a Saturday evening but I must pay hundreds of Euro's to change my flight, rental car booking and drive back to Cologne after being exhausted in FRA in the morning.

I dropped of GT because of gay time for Saturday night.

Where you advice me to go on a Saturday night in NRW area which is better or as much as good of Sharks?

Anyone think that I must change all this flight rental car for FRA?

Banana Boi
04-02-14, 23:47
after making hours of RTFF I understand that there is no much options in NRW on a Saturday night.No good clubs in NRW on a Saturday night? LR, DV, ACA, Samya, PHG just to name a few.

Don't overthink. Just go and have fun. It will be good anywhere, especially on a Friday or Saturday night.

Breadman
04-02-14, 23:50
Hi all,

I am again facing with a big crisis.

I have booked my flight hotel and rental car for NRW (05. 04. 2014) and after making hours of RTFF I understand that there is no much options in NRW on a Saturday night.

I understand that for example Sharks is a very good choice for a Saturday evening but I must pay hundreds of Euro's to change my flight, rental car booking and drive back to Cologne after being exhausted in FRA in the morning.

I dropped of GT because of gay time for Saturday night.

Where you advice me to go on a Saturday night in NRW area which is better or as much as good of Sharks?

Anyone think that I must change all this flight rental car for FRA?Can you restate this a bit more clearer? What's your main problem? Changing flights, rental cars, fra in the morning. It all makes no sense. Are you just looking for a club recommendation in NRW for a saturday? Acapulco is where I'd go but Magnum and Villa Vertigo would suffice.

Ableyone
04-03-14, 00:33
From recent experience I would avoid LR on a Saturday night; I have never experienced waiting times that long there before.

Neutron Flux
04-03-14, 00:38
YinYang is also ok Saturday night, I've been twice last year. In fact its probably the best time at that club. You may have some room wait times.

Trans Atlantic
04-03-14, 04:57
Hi all,

I am again facing with a big crisis.

I have booked my flight hotel and rental car for NRW (05. 04. 2014) and after making hours of RTFF I understand that there is no much options in NRW on a Saturday night.

I understand that for example Sharks is a very good choice for a Saturday evening but I must pay hundreds of Euro's to change my flight, rental car booking and drive back to Cologne after being exhausted in FRA in the morning.

I dropped of GT because of gay time for Saturday night.

Where you advice me to go on a Saturday night in NRW area which is better or as much as good of Sharks?

Anyone think that I must change all this flight rental car for FRA?As BananaBoi said, you are over thinking this. Saturday night a good night in many NRW clubs. I personally avoid Hessen completely Saturday and any other day of the week.

Iceberg27
04-03-14, 08:55
Can you restate this a bit more clearer? What's your main problem? Changing flights, rental cars, fra in the morning. It all makes no sense. Are you just looking for a club recommendation in NRW for a saturday? Acapulco is where I'd go but Magnum and Villa Vertigo would suffice.To clarify;

I am curious about; Is it better to be in FRA clubs like Sharks or World or Mainhattan on weekends especially on Saturday because they are bigger and have more girls compared to NRW clubs?

If this is the case. I would have to change my flight to FRA instead of Cologne, and since my hotel is reserved in Cologne I would have to come back to Cologne in Sunday morning.

Or I will keep my flight to Cologne and drive to FRA Sharks which is about 190 km's and it takes at least 2 hours I guess.

Breadman
04-03-14, 19:55
To clarify;

I am curious about; Is it better to be in FRA clubs like Sharks or World or Mainhattan on weekends especially on Saturday because they are bigger and have more girls compared to NRW clubs?

If this is the case. I would have to change my flight to FRA instead of Cologne, and since my hotel is reserved in Cologne I would have to come back to Cologne in Sunday morning.

Or I will keep my flight to Cologne and drive to FRA Sharks which is about 190 km's and it takes at least 2 hours I guess.No club is worth spending 4 hours in a car and the extra gas it would take to get there.

Iceberg27
04-03-14, 19:58
No club is worth spending 4 hours in a car and the extra gas it would take to get there.Ok then which one do yo suggest in NRW area for a Saturday night?

I dropped GT because of gay time and Samya because of Renovation and room problems and LV must be avoided w.r.t Ableyone.

I want to be somewhere as possible as big and with large number of girls and a good lineup.

BR

Trans Atlantic
04-03-14, 20:04
Ok then which one do yo suggest in NRW area for a Saturday night?

I dropped GT because of gay time and Samya because of Renovation and room problems and LV must be avoided w. Are. T Ableyone.

I want to be somewhere as possible as big and with large number of girls and a good lineup.

BRIf you want big clubs, you generally should stick to Hessen; not NRW. Having said that, Acapulco and Magnum would be your best bet if you want to stay in NRW.

Capt Dan
04-03-14, 22:06
To clarify;

I am curious about; Is it better to be in FRA clubs like Sharks or World or Mainhattan on weekends especially on Saturday because they are bigger and have more girls compared to NRW clubs?

If this is the case. I would have to change my flight to FRA instead of Cologne, and since my hotel is reserved in Cologne I would have to come back to Cologne in Sunday morning.

Or I will keep my flight to Cologne and drive to FRA Sharks which is about 190 km's and it takes at least 2 hours I guess.Keep your flight to Cologne and travel to World or Sharks. Stay in a hotel close to World or Sharks. PM me if you want exact hotel recommendations but you should check out both B&B and Accor Hotel Groups.

CD

Kirk Lazarus
04-06-14, 08:20
Hi gents,

I'm heading back to FRA next week and was wondering what your thoughts are about my planned schedule. Any comments from your recent experiences are appreciated. My schedule is based on the research I've done on this board about recent experiences.

Friday from 16:00 to close. World. Reason: I've read that the selection of girls plenty of Fridays, but is less busy with patrons than Saturday so l'll have an easier time tracking down the popular girls.

Saturday from 16:00 to close. Sharks. Reason: I visited Sharks on a Sunday last December. The selection of girls was limited, but I liked the club. I figure this time, I go on a Saturday to get the full experience.

Thursday from 16:00 to close. Oase. Reason: Since I will be at World on Friday and Sharks on Saturday, Oase on a Thursday was a default selection.

Monday from noon to about 18:00 as my flight departs at 22:00. I don't know what to do here. Should I go back to Oase as I hear that Oase has the biggest selection of girls on Monday. I was at Oase on my last trip for a full Monday and it wasn't bad. Is any other FKK worth visiting at this not-so-prime day and time period?

Any insights would be appreciated.

Citizen Kane
04-06-14, 10:44
Thursday from 16:00 to close. Oase. Reason: Since I will be at World on Friday and Sharks on Saturday, Oase on a Thursday was a default selectionThursday is Dessous Tag at Oase, if that bothers you at all.

Syzygies
04-06-14, 11:54
Thursday from 16:00 to close. Oase. Reason: Since I will be at World on Friday and Sharks on Saturday, Oase on a Thursday was a default selection.If dessous (underwear) day bothers you at Oase on Thursday, you could easily switch Oase with Sharks, and do Sharks on Thursday. Sharks will not be massively busy in terms of men on Thursday, but I had a good time on a Thursday, no problem. Might seem a bit quiet to some people, but I don't need a party atmosphere. World is definitely less busy for customers on Friday over Saturday. What happened to Sunday LOL? Rest day? I cant comment on Mondays, however my buddies that fly out after Sharks, do not leave 4 hours before flight. If driving a rental car, leaving 3 hours before would normally be plenty, I would have tought. Perhaps extra needed flying to USA, I don't know.

Breadman
04-06-14, 13:43
Monday from noon to about 18:00 as my flight departs at 22:00. I don't know what to do here. Should I go back to Oase as I hear that Oase has the biggest selection of girls on Monday. I was at Oase on my last trip for a full Monday and it wasn't bad. Is any other FKK worth visiting at this not-so-prime day and time period?I visited Oase on a Tuesday my last trip and had to wait till evening to find a girl worth doing, can't see Monday being any better daytime. I'd suggest Mainhattan since they have a 40 euro happy hour compared to 70 for Oase.

Kirk Lazarus
04-06-14, 20:29
I visited Oase on a Tuesday my last trip and had to wait till evening to find a girl worth doing, can't see Monday being any better daytime. I'd suggest Mainhattan since they have a 40 euro happy hour compared to 70 for Oase.That's a great idea. I'll check out Mainhattan as I have never been there before. I consider Monday to be a spare day for me, so might as well check out a new FKK and relax before heading to the airport. Can't lose with that plan. 40 euros to chill the whole day and if I see an attractive girl to spend time with, that's a bonus.


If dessous (underwear) day bothers you at Oase on Thursday, you could easily switch Oase with Sharks, and do Sharks on Thursday. Sharks will not be massively busy in terms of men on Thursday, but I had a good time on a Thursday, no problem. Might seem a bit quiet to some people, but I don't need a party atmosphere. World is definitely less busy for customers on Friday over Saturday. What happened to Sunday LOL? Rest day? I cant comment on Mondays, however my buddies that fly out after Sharks, do not leave 4 hours before flight. If driving a rental car, leaving 3 hours before would normally be plenty, I would have tought. Perhaps extra needed flying to USA, I don't know.
Thursday is Dessous Tag at Oase, if that bothers you at all.I knew asking for your comments would be worthwhile. I forgot that its dessous at Oase on Thursday. I picked Oase as a default for Thursday, but I could easily hit up Sharks on Thursday as I don't really care for a party atmosphere (just a good selection of girls) , go to World on Friday and make an audible call on Saturday between Sharks, World or Oase. And yes, Sunday is a rest day...LOL.

Oase just isn't at the top of my list since they made changes to their admission pricing structure. I don't go to FKKs for food, but their one meal limit does play a factor in my decision when I'm spending the whole day there.

StarletVoyager
04-10-14, 02:46
I have been inundated with work the last couple of months. As you all might know I will be touring vienna FKK GT and frankfurt clubs by train end of may into June. I haven't had time to rtff so with specific reference to oase and sharks is it still food, value and service qualty at oase and at sharks which is the best day vs lineup debate? Basically I'm trying to find out if there have been any major new developments at these two clubs especially regarding lineup as I don't have the time right now to rtff. I will post my travel plans soon. Many thanks to all SV.

Kirk Lazarus
04-12-14, 02:08
I sent to Sharks and Mainhatten on Thursday, then went to World and Oase on Friday. Out of all the clubs, Mainhatten was the smallest place but had the best line-up.

I'm not sure where to go on Saturday. Should I take my experience the last couple of days and go back to Mainhatten or give Sharks another try? Decisions, decisions!

Breadman
04-12-14, 21:05
I have been inundated with work the last couple of months. As you all might know I will be touring vienna FKK GT and frankfurt clubs by train end of may into June. I haven't had time to rtff so with specific reference to oase and sharks is it still food, value and service qualty at oase and at sharks which is the best day vs lineup debate? Basically I'm trying to find out if there have been any major new developments at these two clubs especially regarding lineup as I don't have the time right now to rtff. I will post my travel plans soon. Many thanks to all SV.Here you go, found these in under 3 minutes. That will be 20 euro's.


I was in attendance at World tonight too. From 7pm until 11pm. I was disappointed in the line-up as well.
Tonight at World was fairly quiet. Line up a bit down.
Oase = poor line-up + inflated admission fee + one food item = fail. I won't be going her until I hear better reports of girls. Without a good line-up, Oase has nothing else to offer.
There a very good line-up tonight, and it was a pity I had to leave to catch the last fast train back to Frankfurt.
I went to Sharks on last night at about 6pm and stayed until 10pm. The last time that I was at Sharks was during December on a Sunday. I was impressed with the line-up and lively atmosphere on the Sunday, so expect the same if not better on Thursday. Unfortunately, the line-up was the same if not inferior to my last visit. I did find 3 girls that I went to the rooms with.

GettingTang
04-14-14, 08:29
Since I'm on mobile this will be brief report, longer more detailed versions to follow.

Decided since it was Sunday to try out treff188. Taxi 25e each way from HBF area. Driver could not find had to call club while meter ran up addition 8e, but whatever I'm there. Thus club is very basic, but VERY relaxed. There was 9 girls there. 4 average 4 ugly and one above aberage about FKK average quality. The girls are relaxed, patrons relaxed, and it's easy. I liked that about this place. Paid 99e for all sex I want. Got in three sessions in three hours. All sessions started with very good BBBJ and moved to fucking in multiple positions. Basic service but for price was a bargain. Girls are friendly and laid back, there is absolutely no mention of up selling, some will allow CIM anal, etc, but you need to ask before going to room. Beers cost 3e extra, other non alcohol drinks free. Food was so-so. Manager was on site and very friendly lady. Checks to make sure you are happy etc.

First girl I took was small petite, playful type. 5.5-6 looks, gave great oral and enjoyed sex, but kinda kept me from going in deep. Second girl was 4 in looks, plumper body, blonde, but she has a face and mouth that screamed BBBJ to me. So when she sat with me on couch and completed my erection and said she likes giving head, I was sold. She proved right. Could not finish as only 15 minutes had passed since first session, but I was still pleased and considered it a teaser for final session. Relaxed for about 90 minutes, then another petite Romanian that I swear looked Hispanic. Went to room and she too gave great BBBJ as long as I wanted and then we fucked two positions. Her puddly was TIGHT and she got me done.

All in all not bad for 150e total with taxis. I probably will go back again. Friendly easy going, simple straight forward place, but you will NOT find model types here. Average women.

Optimist
04-14-14, 08:37
Starlet Voyager. World was heaving last Saturday night. Queues for rooms but still plenty of workers free. Line up at its best despite nearing Easter

Florida Sun
04-14-14, 21:38
This report is few weeks late on my visit late in March to the Frankfurt FKK collection. I managed to visit all of them although it was my first visit to Germany and to experience the FKK adventure.

As a newbie myself, here is what worked well for me, I read the reports, went to the websites, researched transportation options and best of all had the privilege of receiving a ride and introduction to the hardest 2 clubs to reach from Frankfurt Worlds and Oase from a fellow member.

My routine to any club went like this, tell the receptionist it was my first time so she can point me in the right direction to changing room, lockers and any info they felt was worth mentioning. Once I changed and joined the crowed I denied my newbieness to the girls and just said I changed glasses or stopped wearing contact lenses or had a new hair cut whatever came to my mind.

Since I new what the prices are and what included any reference by the girls to money was met by "I know the prices and if I partake in extras I will take care of them".

The confidant representation eliminated any sharkyness for the most part except for couple of incidents that I will mention later. Also I acted in charge if I want a girl I asked her, if offered services by a girl I do not want I was blunt and truthful by saying thank you but I am waiting for a girl who is getting ready they never bothered me with that answer and if they pushed I just say I want to meet more girls first. Do not get intimidated and frustrated or stop being in charge.

It was very important to enjoy the amenities, although beings surrounded by this many women willing and able to offer things not normally within my reach, if you follow my example you will get more pleasure by spacing your mongering with in time for sauna, hot tub, massage, food, naps, and if your lucky like me hang out with other guys who are more conversation capable than most of the girls. So make sure you decide what to do with your time and not get garbed by the girls the minuet you walk into a room if you let them they will make sure you do not have a chance to even see what else is on offer or experience it for that matter.

I do not thinks their is a best club, best day, best time or even best girl YMWV, your milage will vary mostly by your attitude and confidence to chose what you want and what you want to pass on. If you get a bad apple take your time picking the very next one and if you are not pleased with selection take a break or even leave if you feel like it.

Eventually if you are relaxed, social, fed and hydrated you will attract the better girls who by experience are not pushy. One final tool see how do girls interact with regulars and if they act social and friendly go meet them when they are available most likely they will hit the spot.

My final is my rating not of the girls as that will be a long report but of the clubs in order of likeness.

1) Sharks, line up, access from Frankfurt, attitude of girls, and openness of space as I found few relaxing spots the give me full view of the entire club. They had my least favorite massage.

2) Worlds great line up with positive attitude but it was to spread out over 2 floors, it might be more fun in the summer when more activities take place downstairs.

3) Palace great customer service and easily reachable.

4) Manhattan great place to drink and party ok line up.

5) Oase the worst customer service, girls attitude, pricing and enjoyment.

CauzJust
04-16-14, 02:13
Hi,

I just wanted to know which FKK club has bath robes instead of towels?

I need this info as I want to feel more comfortable.

In Frankfurt area please

UltraHappy
04-16-14, 03:24
Hi,

I just wanted to know which FKK club has bath robes instead of towels?

I need this info as I want to feel more comfortable.

In Frankfurt area pleaseAll the big clubs in Frankfurt have bathrobes and towels (Oase, Sharks, World, Mainhattan, and that other awful place I decline to mention here as it is best avoided). Each guest decides which to wear according to their individual preference.

Only a few of the smaller clubs lack the bathrobe option but you will not find these clubs on your first trip to Frankfurt unless you really stray off the beaten path.

Other posters will follow up with why you shouldn't worry about such things as bathrobes versus towels, but until you have a few visits under your belt, you should just go with whichever you are more comfortable with until you get more accustomed to your new surroundings.

After you have accumulated a good amount of mileage on the 'ole FKK odometer, you will look back at this question and find it curious that you ever worried about such things. But until then, you will do just fine in your bathrobe.

In the NRW area (around Dusseldorf and Köln) , bathrobes are more standard and you will find fewer men opting to wear simply a towel, although many of us insist on being the outlier in NRW and sticking to our towels except perhaps when it is too cold.

Breadman
04-16-14, 04:34
"All the big clubs in Frankfurt have bathrobes and towels (Oase, Sharks, World, Mainhattan, and that other awful place I decline to mention here as it is best avoided). Each guest decides which to wear according to their individual preference."

If I'm not mistaken, only Oase and Sharks provide bathrobes free of charge. World and Mainhattan charge you for their rental or purchase.

P. S. Anyone else having issue's quoting someone else's text? I quoted banana boi's post 3 minutes ago without a problem and then this quote above doesn't show up.

Ortos
04-16-14, 04:55
If I'm not mistaken, only Oase and Sharks provide bathrobes free of charge. World and Mainhattan charge you for their rental or purchase.

P. S. Anyone else having issue's quoting someone else's text? I quoted banana boi's post 3 minutes ago without a problem and then this quote above doesn't show up.Strike World from the list. Unless they've changed very recently, World is the one club where they do not provide robes, either for free or rental. You have to PURCHASE a robe (nein danke)! You can, of course, bring your own.

O

TyePenn
04-16-14, 07:12
I understood that Oase has the biggest line-up (around 60-70 at the evening shift).

How is the line-up at World and Shark?

If you have to chose one of them, thinking of line-up and service which would you prefer?

(I prefer skinny girls and I hate fake boobs.)

Thanks

CauzJust
04-16-14, 16:30
Thank you Ultrahappy, Breadman & Ortos.

As for getting comfortable and loosening a little, the thing is that I have a burn mark on my trunk and arms and it makes me feel uncomfortable!

I tried to ignore it in the past but still I am aware inside about it.

So I guess it is safe to assume that I can bring a bathrobe with me to any of these clubs? More practical.

And once services are agreed upon I can move to a more private area of the club.

Thanks

Chezz
04-16-14, 17:44
World recently started renting robes for €5, choice of either white or black.


Strike World from the list. Unless they've changed very recently, World is the one club where they do not provide robes, either for free or rental. You have to PURCHASE a robe (nein danke)! You can, of course, bring your own.

O

Syzygies
04-16-14, 18:17
P. S. Anyone else having issue's quoting someone else's text? I quoted banana boi's post 3 minutes ago without a problem and then this quote above doesn't show up.Sure. Quoting certain posts doesn't seem to work. No idea why.

Ortos
04-16-14, 18:21
Thanks, Chezz, for updating me on this. I last visited about 2. 5 months ago, and I did not see that going then. When did they start this (copy of Mainhattan's) robe rental policy?

Yes the Quote mechanism is malfunctioning, apparently allow selective quotes, but not others. Hmmm.

Hessen Bub
04-16-14, 20:30
Is it a 5€ rental or just deposit which you get back when you return the robe? I have no idea as I never have been wearing a robe in a Hessen club.

HB

Katinka
04-16-14, 22:04
Logic suggests that the economy in Europe, and in Eastern Europe in particular, might be raising the overall quality of FKK clubs. It just seems like more girls would join the profession in tough times. That means 8s. 9s, and 10s squeeze out the 6s and 7s. And good performers squeeze out poorer performers.

Am I just engaged in wishful thinking or have regulars noticed any overall quality improvements over the past couple of years. And maybe in this year in particular?

Chezz
04-17-14, 00:32
Based on what the girl at the front desk told me a few hours ago (as well as personal experience) , they've recently started charging a non-refundable €5 fee for a robe rental for those that want robes. Robes are free to use for first time visitors, after that you pay. And, of course, they do have robes for sale.

On my last trip, they always just gave me a robe to use if I asked for one, and since I'm one of those guys who prefers robes, I go for it. At the beginning of this trip (the first phase 2 weeks ago) they gave me robes to use for free. Maybe because I'm a semi-regular. Who knows? Anyway, the policy is in effect now, so I paid.

Today was actually a pleasant sunny afternoon. I was met in the driveway by a monger getting together a group of 3 to split the entry fee (3 for the price of 2). I stopped and chatted with him for a while (super nice guy) and within a few minutes our third person walked by, so we made our way to the entry where we each paid €44. Not bad!

I found the early line-up quite satisfactory for my needs. I only did one girl, Isabelle, and found her to be as good in bed as she was beautiful. Nice sweet face and perfect see cups, very enthusiastic with a kooky / up-beat personality. I'd repeat for sure. Next I sat down and chatted with Claudia, whom I've taken on previous trips. She's not for everyone as she's super skinny and flat as a board, though her face is quite beautiful. She's such a sweetheart and is amazing in the room. Full-on GFE, though YMMV. To be clear, I didn't take her this trip as I was only in the mood for one session. Plus I wanted to get back to Frankfurt to watch Barca vs RMD. But she's on my list when I return.

In the dressing room as I was getting ready to leave, I spotted a few really beautiful girls who will definitely get my attention when I return in a day or two (particularly Inna). I'm still very happy with the quality of World.

OfficeMatt
04-17-14, 04:19
Logic suggests that the economy in Europe, and in Eastern Europe in particular, might be raising the overall quality of FKK clubs. It just seems like more girls would join the profession in tough times. That means 8s. 9s, and 10s squeeze out the 6s and 7s. And good performers squeeze out poorer performers.

Am I just engaged in wishful thinking or have regulars noticed any overall quality improvements over the past couple of years. And maybe in this year in particular?I enjoyed my first FKK experience in 2009 and since the economy has improved vastly over that time, I have not noted any real change in quality. I have seen more Romanian girls on this past trip (now) , particularly at Living Room where all I could find were Romanian girls. Saying that, I have noticed that Romanian girls have vastly improved their services since my first visits.

Not sure if you are implying that the economy is good or bad and thus would imply what type of girl would be found in quantity, however. I haven't seen many Russian girls for some time, however.

Hessen Bub
04-17-14, 17:19
I agree on Claudia being flat. But skinny? Slim, but not skinny.

HB

Chezz
04-17-14, 19:00
I stand corrected. At first I thought slim and skinny were pretty much used interchangeably. Then I Googled the phrase "skinny vs slim" and found a an entire page dedicated to the discussion.

http://www.italki.com/question/61791

So, in 5 minutes I went from self-righteous indignation to "Hessen Bub is right again". Damn :-)


I agree on Claudia being flat. But skinny? Slim, but not skinny.

HB

Optimist
04-17-14, 19:07
Skinny vs slim is not a matter of opinion. Skinny means underweight. Slim means no excess fat and of a relatively slight build

Hessen Bub
04-17-14, 21:05
Skinny is when I get the urge to go and feed the girl. LOL. Carina at World is (was? I think she's tending towards slim in the last weeks, looking great except for her haircut) skinny, Bianca is, Vivien at Sharks was.

HB

Neutron Flux
04-17-14, 21:25
Skinny vs slim is not a matter of opinion. Skinny means underweight. Slim means no excess fat and of a relatively slight buildIt's very much a matter of opinion since these are everyday terms that everyone uses pretty much as he likes. Same is for "fat" and a lot of other words.

Banana Boi
04-18-14, 14:32
Other than the big 5 Hessen clubs, what's the best FKK to go to on a Saturday and Sunday afternoon from noon to 6 pm?

Banana Boi
04-19-14, 05:50
Out of World, Mainhattan, Sharks, and Oase, which club has the best girl:guy ratio on a Saturday night? Would prefer avoiding Sausage fests.

FKKForLife
04-19-14, 16:42
Making my first trip to try FKK. Can only take vacation once a year, so I want to accomplish and exp as much in 8 days as possible.

Decided (from reading all your wonderful reports) the 4 clubs I want to visit for 2 days each are 1. Oase. 2. World. 3. Manhatten, and 4. Sharks.

I believe I can't go wrong with those clubs, and they are all in Frankfurt.

Here is the thing. I rather use all my money on the girls at the clubs, than spending for a hotel which I am hardly going to use.

If the clubs have food and are open 18-19 hours a day can't I just use the 4-5 hours in between to go to the next club?

Can anyone with experience getting around in Frankfurt suggest a route I can take? Preferably public transit, but I can take a taxi if that is only option.

For example once I get off the plane from airport. Head directly to Club A (I know Oase will pick you up for 100euro) , then B, C, D, then back to A, B, C, D. Total 8 days. All spent in clubs, will save me 800euros in hotel costs which I much rather spend on the ladies.

If anyone would like to suggest the day of the week I spend at each club that would be great too. Remember. 4 clubs, two full days each.

Thanks so much for your help.

Citizen Kane
04-19-14, 17:54
Making my first trip to try FKK. Can only take vacation once a year, so I want to accomplish and exp as much in 8 days as possible.

Decided (from reading all your wonderful reports) the 4 clubs I want to visit for 2 days each are 1. Oase. 2. World. 3. Manhatten, and 4. Sharks.

I believe I can't go wrong with those clubs, and they are all in Frankfurt.

Here is the thing. I rather use all my money on the girls at the clubs, than spending for a hotel which I am hardly going to use.

If the clubs have food and are open 18-19 hours a day can't I just use the 4-5 hours in between to go to the next club?

Can anyone with experience getting around in Frankfurt suggest a route I can take? Preferably public transit, but I can take a taxi if that is only option.

For example once I get off the plane from airport. Head directly to Club A (I know Oase will pick you up for 100euro) , then B, C, D, then back to A, B, C, D. Total 8 days. All spent in clubs, will save me 800euros in hotel costs which I much rather spend on the ladies.

If anyone would like to suggest the day of the week I spend at each club that would be great too. Remember. 4 clubs, two full days each.

Thanks so much for your help.You're going to need quite a lot of methamphetamine for that plan.

Free Dude
04-19-14, 18:30
You're far better of getting some cheap hotel near the central station. Assuming there is no big fair at the time, there are plenty of places that charge 30-40 euros a night; if you stay a week I'm sure you can get better deals than that. The IBIS or mercure hotels often have 3 for 2 arrangements and the like.

From all these clubs you can get to Frankfurt Hauptbahhof and then move to the next one. Maybe it is slightly faster to go travel directly between Giessen and Friedrichsdorf (World and Oase).

Check out bahn. De for the first trains (which you'll need if you stay till closing) ; the closest stops for World and Oase are Garbenteich and Burgholzhausen respectively, but they require a bit of planning. For Sharks and Mainhattan, you can use local trams and busses from the central stations (Darmstadt or Frankfurt). But really, get an hotel; you'll tire of constantly being in the clubs.

FKKForLife
04-19-14, 18:55
You're far better of getting some cheap hotel near the central station. Assuming there is no big fair at the time, there are plenty of places that charge 30-40 euros a night; if you stay a week I'm sure you can get better deals than that. The IBIS or mercure hotels often have 3 for 2 arrangements and the like.

From all these clubs you can get to Frankfurt Hauptbahhof and then move to the next one. Maybe it is slightly faster to go travel directly between Giessen and Friedrichsdorf (World and Oase).

Check out bahn. De for the first trains (which you'll need if you stay till closing) ; the closest stops for World and Oase are Garbenteich and Burgholzhausen respectively, but they require a bit of planning. For Sharks and Mainhattan, you can use local trams and busses from the central stations (Darmstadt or Frankfurt). But really, get an hotel; you'll tire of constantly being in the clubs.Haha. I was thinking I can just sleep in the clubs, but your right. Maybe getting a low cost hotel near the central station is more practical.

Breadman
04-19-14, 20:29
There are plenty of guys who do just that, skip the hotel. See them from time to time in the parking lots of the clubs when I'm leaving. But they are in cars, minivans (and on occasion an Italian party bus). Not on foot. Oase won't let you string a hammock between their Greek statues. And sleeping in the back of a taxi will cost you an arm and a leg. Only way to avoid hotels is by renting a car. The clubs close at 4am, what did you plan to do? Walk around until the next club opens at 11am? And even with a rental car you'll be spending more than what you would at a hotel. Your cheapest option would be to stay at a hostel in downtown Frankfurt (136 euro's for an 8 day stay). There's risks in that idea if your bringing alot of money along with you. You might also search for rentals from private individuals since your staying just over a week. You also mentioned 'food' which brings into play Oase's lack thereof.

If you truely want to save all your money for the girls, you'll have to avoid any use of taxi's (get busy walking). A ride too and from the train station will run you 20 euro's minimum plus whatever you paid for train and bus fare. Now it would be an interesting read if you posted you brought along a pup tent and slept in the woods. If you reply that you can't rent a car then your options are limited.

Banana Boi
04-19-14, 20:47
http://www.dasparkhotel.net/rooms/

I know this is in NRW and you're asking about FRA but I found this interesting place on the net in an article about some of the most interesting places you can stay in the world. There is no set price to stay here rather a donation (ie. If you want to be cheap you can technically pay 1 euro). I considered staying here for a night or 2 for the experience.

Unfortunately it's quite far north but would be good if you were going to places like Pauschalclub in Bochum / Dortmund / Munster or to Club Penelope. The closest major sauna club would be Acapulco 25 km away.

Another option would be to take overnight / early morning trains from one city to another and you can sleep on the train. Won't save much but at least you can go to different FKK's in Berlin, Vienna, Zurich, FRA, NRW, etc.


Total 8 days. All spent in clubs, will save me 800euros in hotel costs which I much rather spend on the ladies.


unless there's a Messe hotels in FRA and DUSS are cheap for what you get. For example, you can get Mercure Friedrichsdorf minutes away from Oase for less than 50 euros a night when there is no Messe. Instead of a taxi, just stand in the lobby and ask guys coming off the elevator if they're heading to Oase. Chances are the answer will be 'yes'.

Too bad Germany doesn't have those capsule hotels like in Japan.

Beffen1
04-19-14, 21:27
Strike World from the list. Unless they've changed very recently, World is the one club where they do not provide robes, either for free or rental. You have to PURCHASE a robe (nein danke)! You can, of course, bring your own.

OI've borrowed a robe for free at FKK World every time I've been there for the last year, the last time in late March. I just tell them I left mine home and they give me an XXXL to wear.

Solo Traveler
04-19-14, 21:46
Hi,

I hope this question won't be to weird in this forum.

Are there any Gyms (weight lifting) for tourists in Frankfurt / Rhein-Main?

I will be staying in Frankfurt for 2 weeks in July.

I am trying to find a traditional gym, which means a no-frills gym with dumbbells and barbells there to do bench press, squat, and other weight lifting exercises. (You know, to maintain my manhood. HA!)

If they really don't have any dumbbells and barbells there, the bench press machine and the squat machine will be okay for me as well.

I will only go there for 3-4 times at most during my 2-week stay.

After that, I don't know when I will come back to Frankfurt again (Maybe 1 year later).

So, I need a gym which allows foreign tourists to use the gym and pay a fixed price per time.

If the gym requires the customers to pay a large amount of money to join some kind of membership first, it will not fit me.

I've done my research on google, but I only found some "Fitness club club" or "Health club" which provide an environment for treadmills, yoga, and sauna.

They are not for weight lifting exercises.

Therefore, I really need some local experts to help me out.

Thanks!

FKKForLife
04-19-14, 22:30
Thanks for the input guys!

After reading Free Dude's suggestion, I think getting a hotel would be most practical. I had originally thought I could just get all the sleep I need at the clubs, but I'm starting to think that might be wishful thinking. So I will do either one of two things.

1. Get a hotel at IBIS as suggested and make use of the Bahn as much as I can. Or

2. I think cause its my first time maybe no need to hit up 4 clubs. I'll go to two clubs exclusively Oase and World. There is two hotels on OASE's website which is very close to them and pretty cheap.

I also thought about just going to Artemis in Berlin, its big, convenient, and seems like it is a very safe choice as far as the experience. But there is something very alluring about OASE and World that keeps beckons me to go there.

FKKForLife
04-19-14, 23:53
Do you think the clubs will allow me to carry a small, simple plastic penis pump?

If so, do you think it will look awkward to the ladies?

Thanks

Kirk Lazarus
04-20-14, 00:15
Hi,

I hope this question won't be to weird in this forum.

Are there any Gyms (weight lifting) for tourists in Frankfurt / Rhein-Main?

I will be staying in Frankfurt for 2 weeks in July.

I am trying to find a traditional gym, which means a no-frills gym with dumbbells and barbells there to do bench press, squat, and other weight lifting exercises. (You know, to maintain my manhood. HA!)

If they really don't have any dumbbells and barbells there, the bench press machine and the squat machine will be okay for me as well.

I will only go there for 3-4 times at most during my 2-week stay.

After that, I don't know when I will come back to Frankfurt again (Maybe 1 year later).

So, I need a gym which allows foreign tourists to use the gym and pay a fixed price per time.

If the gym requires the customers to pay a large amount of money to join some kind of membership first, it will not fit me.

I've done my research on google, but I only found some "Fitness club club" or "Health club" which provide an environment for treadmills, yoga, and sauna.

They are not for weight lifting exercises.

Therefore, I really need some local experts to help me out.

Thanks!Why don't you pick a hotel with a gym? The Hilton in Frankfurt am Main has a gym with weights and cardio machines.

Neutron Flux
04-20-14, 01:13
Why don't you pick a hotel with a gym? The Hilton in Frankfurt am Main has a gym with weights and cardio machines.ST type in fitnessstudio frankfurt and you will have many more hits and a map. As you know the places will usually want you to sign up for a longer deal, but if you e-mail or walk up in person to them and explain your situation most of them will offer you a deal. If you don't like the deal ask somewhere else.

Hotels are one option but you have to stay in an expensive hotel and in my experience hotels are very unreliable in that, even if they have a gym often its very small and often essential stuff is missing or not working and noone cares. This happens even in top hotels. Alternatively you could go to FKK Artemis who have a built-in gym that is sparingly used, haha.

Neutron Flux
04-20-14, 01:21
Do you think the clubs will allow me to carry a small, simple plastic penis pump?

If so, do you think it will look awkward to the ladies?

ThanksUm, not quite sure what that is but if it involves some public pumping of your thingy, it won't hurt your popularity if you stick to Viagra / Cialis instead.

FKKForLife
04-20-14, 01:35
Um, not quite sure what that is but if it involves some public pumping of your thingy, it won't hurt your popularity if you stick to Viagra / Cialis instead.I would pump it when its just the girl and I in the private rooms, just enough so till the condom goes on and I go in. Sometimes a condom really deflates my erection. Viagra and Cialis. It doesn't agree with my body too well.

Solo Traveler
04-20-14, 07:41

Hessen Bub
04-20-14, 08:48
At FKK4L: Why should Artemis be safer than World or Oase or any other major club?

HB

FKKForLife
04-20-14, 15:37
At FKK4L: Why should Artemis be safer than World or Oase or any other major club?

HBI meant safer choice entertainment wise not as in personal safety. Because its my first time in FKK and in Germany as well. If I didn't want the stress of trying to travel around Frankfurt between the 4 clubs I can just go to Berlin and go to Artemis for an entire week.

But as Artemis has a very clean and professional look, I really want to go to Oase and World. Everything about those two clubs with their posh style and design just makes my imagination run wild. Palace is alluring as well, but all the paying extra for GFE can really scare a newbie away.

Beffen1
04-20-14, 16:15
I meant safer choice entertainment wise not as in personal safety. Because its my first time in FKK and in Germany as well. If I didn't want the stress of trying to travel around Frankfurt between the 4 clubs I can just go to Berlin and go to Artemis for an entire week.

But as Artemis has a very clean and professional look, I really want to go to Oase and World. Everything about those two clubs with their posh style and design just makes my imagination run wild. Palace is alluring as well, but all the paying extra for GFE can really scare a newbie away.I think you will be bored in Artemis for four nights. Go to Frankfurt, stay near the hauptbahnhof (Hotel excelsior or Monopol give great value for money, and take the trains which are across the street to Oase, Sharks, Mainhattan, and maybe even World. They are not hard to get to. DB website is your friend. Live a little, be adventurous.

Breadman
04-20-14, 16:25
Do you think the clubs will allow me to carry a small, simple plastic penis pump?

If so, do you think it will look awkward to the ladies?

ThanksSure, that's where Beffen keeps his side salad.

Hessen Bub
04-20-14, 16:55
IMHO Artemis is not the best choice for a first time visit to a FKK Club. Try World or Sharks first, then work your way through Oase and Artemis to Palace. That is if you don't want to go to NRW.

HB

FKKForLife
04-20-14, 20:19
I think I'll stick to Manhatten twice, Sharks twice, Oase twice, and Palace twice. Get a low cost hotel near the central station as many of you suggested. Forget World this time, its so damn far North. I'll pay for the damn GFE experience at Palace, what the heck I'm on vacation.

Vitrea
04-20-14, 23:59
I hear reports that one of my Fav clubs Golden time in NRW is now over 21 only! I am going to be in Germany for 5 days. My question is this: What is the best FKK or Sauna club for the most number of under 21 girls? Thank you.

Banana Boi
04-21-14, 00:24
I hear reports that one of my Fav clubs Golden time in NRW is now over 21 only! What is the best FKK or Sauna club for the most number of under 21 girls?

Looking back at the girls I have gone with at GT there really aren't many who are 21 and under. German Leonie when I first met her was. Some may look 21 and under but when you get to know them they will admit they are not. The only hot ones that comes to mind now is German Sam and Bulgarian Gabriella (is she under 21?).

In comparison, when you walk in to clubs like Mondial and to some extent Samya, LR, and PHG (last year) you will notice there are groups of girls who look and act 18-19. Keep in mind the overall talent at these clubs are not like GT but the top girls at each can be GT level.

Someone posted that the German girls are exempt from the 21 and under rule.


I'll pay for the damn GFE experience at Palace, what the heck I'm on vacation.

Instead of paying 50 euro for a GFE experience at Palace why not spend 50 euro to rent a car and drive to World and not pay a surcharge for a GFE experience?

Vitrea
04-21-14, 04:47
Looking back at the girls I have gone with at GT there really aren't many who are 21 and under. German Leonie. The only hot ones that comes to mind now is German Sam and Bulgarian Gabriella (is she under 21?).

In comparison, when you walk in to clubs like Mondial and to some extent Samya, LR, and PHG (last year) you will notice there are groups of girls who look and act 18-19. Keep in mind the overall talent at these clubs are not like GT but the top girls at each can be GT level.Thank you Banana Boi. Are you saying that Mondial, Samya, PHG and LR are the best for a younger selection? That was not my experience of Samya but things may have changed.

Banana Boi
04-21-14, 05:05
Hmm, I've clicked through some of the girls I thought were under 21 at Samya and Mondial and they're actually 22 and 23 so they don't meet your criteria. Sorry for the misinformation. Maybe you can try Teenyland. http://www.teenyland-koeln.de/html/?q=teenys I know some of the young Samya girls started here.

FKKForLife
04-21-14, 15:37
What is it about Goldentime that its so popular?

Free Dude
04-21-14, 20:11
What is it about Goldentime that its so popular?It is close to the Dutch, Belgian and apparantly also French border.

Ortos
04-21-14, 20:31
It is close to the Dutch, Belgian and apparantly also French border.Is GT the only club near these borders? Or are there other clubs more or less equally located?

Hessen Bub
04-21-14, 20:38
Is GT the only club near these borders? Or are there other clubs more or less equally located?You know there's YY, PHG and VV just nearby. Still GT seems to be the club with the most visitors in that area. Good line up and somehow our neighbours seem to favor GT.

HB

Free Dude
04-21-14, 22:21
You know there's YY, PHG and VV just nearby. Still GT seems to be the club with the most visitors in that area. Good line up and somehow our neighbours seem to favor GT.

HBTell me about it. But honestly, the driving distances play a big role. Also, every time I'm in GT I hear or speak to numerous guys that are having their first saunaclub experience. It is noticable, for some reason it is the first name people hear (and off course, GT has the biggest line up in the area). YY always has problems setting any standards because of the difference in rules between NL and Germany. PHG and VV are a bit farther into Germany and have had their line up / service issues. Especially during the week they can be terrible (a few weeks ago 20 girls in VV). Everything else is already an issue what distance is concerned.

Banana Boi
04-21-14, 22:42
When I was solely a FRA guy GT was the first NRW club that I heard things about. It was also the club that motivated me to stray from FRA. Still remember my first visit to GT before I even paid the entry fee I already saw multiple girls who I wanted to try and this was a Tuesday afternoon. That first day at GT in 2012 was the best FKK lineup I have seen to date.

FKKForLife
04-22-14, 03:51
When I was solely a FRA guy GT was the first NRW club that I heard things about. It was also the club that motivated me to stray from FRA. Still remember my first visit to GT before I even paid the entry fee I already saw multiple girls who I wanted to try and this was a Tuesday afternoon. That first day at GT in 2012 was the best FKK lineup I have seen to date.Maybe I should just stay a week at GT, forget the other places in FRA.

Banana Boi
04-22-14, 04:43
Maybe I should just stay a week at GT, forget the other places in FRA.No. I'm referring to a visit in 2012.

Both NRW and FRA clubs have different things to offer which is why you will notice some guys are pro-FRA and others are pro-NRW. It's always best to try both areas so you get a feel of what each has to offer and decide for yourself.

Optimist
04-22-14, 14:27
Both NRW and FRA clubs have different things to offer which is why you will notice some guys are pro-FRA and others are pro-NRW. It's always best to try both areas so you get a feel of what each has to offer and decide for yourself.Exactly so. If you choose your drive time to avoid jams around Koln then it's only 2 hours drive between FRA and NRW clubs. The only way you'll be able to decide which you prefer is by trying and seeing which suits you. In addition a club may be useless for you one day but superb the next, depending on who you meet, so you can get all the advice in the world and still be no further forward.

Kim2R
04-23-14, 11:42
I think you will be bored in Artemis for four nights. Go to Frankfurt, stay near the hauptbahnhof (Hotel excelsior or Monopol give great value for money, and take the trains which are across the street to Oase, Sharks, Mainhattan, and maybe even World. They are not hard to get to. DB website is your friend. Live a little, be adventurous.You mention "Sharks, Mainhattan," I have not heard of them, do they compare with Palas. Why have the top Clubs in the area of Bonn / Koeln not been mentioned?

I would rank Koeln offering great monger's varieties. Nes pas?

Hessen Bub
04-23-14, 16:27
I would rank Koeln offering great monger's varieties. Nes pas?In terms of clubs? Cologne? I don't see too many options around Cologne. Around Düsseldorf. Yes.

HB

Banana Boi
04-23-14, 18:35
Why have the top Clubs in the area of Bonn / Koeln not been mentioned? Tommyseville just post an amazing review of Mondial last night. Samya and PSR would be the other clubs near Koln. Finca would be in Bonn but I don't hear good things about it.

If you have reviews of the Bonn / Koln clubs I would be very interested in reading them.

Free Dude
04-23-14, 18:54
The neighbourhood of Koln has quite some clubs: Mondial, Member, Samya, PSR, Bernds, Majetsic, Babylon, Planet Eden, Finca, Pascha club. Wouldn't say it is better than Dusseldorf or Frankfurt, but still some options.

Hessen Bub
04-23-14, 18:57
The neighbourhood of Koln has quite some clubs: Mondial, Member, Samya, PSR, Bernds, Majetsic, Babylon, Planet Eden, Finca, Pascha club. Wouldn't say it is better than Dusseldorf or Frankfurt, but still some options.Okay okay. LOL. IMHO PSR, Bernds, Babylon are NOT worth visiting. Finca is in Dierdorf, that's closer to Koblenz or Limburg than Cologne. Don't know if Pascha is a recommendation. I personally don't like Samya. Never been to Mondial, Member, Majestic or Planet Eden.

HB

Breadman
04-23-14, 20:22
I personally don't like Samya.

HBWhat don't you like about Samya?

Hessen Bub
04-23-14, 21:15
Too loud, too small, too cramped, no place to relax except for the dark and old wellness area downstairs. No place to sit and eat, sometimes no place to stand. Don't like the rooms, don't like the atmosphere.

Had a great time there years ago when Tik (Thailand) was still working.

HB

GettingTang
04-23-14, 21:20
So the mayor was supported by the courts. He won approval to have all marihuana removed from Amsterdam's coffee houses and vowed to remove the RLD next. Is Germany facing the same fate? We already hear bits of complaints among the German politicians proclaiming they desire to slow, or shut down the sex industry there.

I really think these "moral" politicians are under estimating the pull on tourism and such these venues create. I for one, do not, nor never have smoked pot and do not generally care for the hippie crowd, but they also do not bother me and certainly serve a purpose of sorts. So why the sudden attacks on these industries?

Free Dude
04-23-14, 21:37
I would say the clubs in NRW (Cologne, Dusseldorf or the pott) are a bit more 'specialized' than then big clubs in Hessen. You'll find few clubs with a similar size and similar amounts of girls, but if you're looking for something specific: NRW beats anything Hessen has to offer.

What service is concerned, there is no club in Hessen that can approach the average service level of Babylon, Panthera, Luderlounge, Neby, Bernds and a few others. The only place that comes close is Dietzenbach (and not for the AO) , but that place has other downsides. Of the big clubs, it is widely recognised that World gives you the best chance of good service. But even here you have chicks like Diana and Simona, that prefer smiling over DFK-ing. Public DFK and BBBJ is common only in Dietzenbach.

If you want a party there is no place that comes close to Samya. Sometimes a good Saturday in World can compete with tuesdays or mondays in Samya, but that is about it. Of course this is of no use if you don't feel like partying and dancing with the girls.

Regardless of the facilities in Sharks and World, there is no place for relaxing like PSR. It bores me to tears, but if that's what you're after: go to PSR.

Best food and drink: made to order in Babylon, Magnum, Panthera, Planet Eden and PSR. Great options in Livingroom and Goldentime as well, beats anyhing you can find in the big Hessen clubs. For beer, PHG, GT, LR, Panthera, PSR all have many free option (even with thekes who know how to pour a Weissen) and in babylon you can even enjoy some of the special Belgian beers. All included in the price.

If you want to go cheap: Mondial, Heaven7, Freude Herne, Luderlounge, Neby, Angelique (and all the RTCs) provide 30 E options; and penelope is even cheaper. Then there is the 40E clubs (Panthera and Acapulco) and in most cases the hourly rate is 75 or 80 (in contrast to the 100 in Hessen). Again, only Dietzenbach can compete.

Don't get me wrong, I like Hessen clubs for the "all day surrounded with naked chicks" feeling; but if you are looking for something specific, NRW will always have a better option. The best parties I've had were in Samya, the best sex in HP / Babylon / Lulo, best food in HP, best beer in babylon, best value for money in LR.

FKKForLife
04-23-14, 22:17
What service is concerned, there is no club in Hessen that can approach the average service level of Babylon, Panthera, Luderlounge, Neby, Bernds and a few others.But I was set to go to Frankfurt, I thought the megaclubs of Oase and World are homeruns. Now I feel I must go to Goldentime, to Babylon, to PSR. I like to eat, party and relax too!

What do you mean by service exactly?

FKKForLife
04-23-14, 22:33
I look at alot of the clubs in NRW like Samya or Bernd, they seem to be rated very highly, but their website doesn't have English. This makes me nervous that foriegners I. E. Americans, aren't exactly welcome. Goldentime has English and looks very inviting and Oase and a lot of the Hessen clubs all have English.

What do you guys think? A first timer American like myself, should I stick to places which advertises itself more as welcoming to foreigners?

Neutron Flux
04-24-14, 00:07
So the mayor was supported by the courts. He won approval to have all marihuana removed from Amsterdam's coffee houses and vowed to remove the RLD next. Is Germany facing the same fate? We already hear bits of complaints among the German politicians proclaiming they desire to slow, or shut down the sex industry there.

I really think these "moral" politicians are under estimating the pull on tourism and such these venues create. I for one, do not, nor never have smoked pot and do not generally care for the hippie crowd, but they also do not bother me and certainly serve a purpose of sorts. So why the sudden attacks on these industries?Probably not the right thread but this has been going on for many years, it's not like a sudden attack. As a P4P destination Amsterdam is quite dead for years anyway, the RLD is mainly a tourist spot. As for the pot they tried restricting it even more but I read they faced staunch opposition from local businesses, night clubs and so on.

Why? Despite of what you may have heard the average Amsterdam and Dutch Joe is actually somewhat conservative and does not particularly like these things going on in his home town, especially when it involves a young, and not exactly well-behaved crowd. I have to say it, sorry about that, particularly from the UK. If you ever witnessed a couple of summer nights in Amsterdam city center you know what I mean.

Breadman
04-24-14, 01:02
The best parties I've had were in Samya, the best sex in HP / Babylon / Lulo, best food in HP, best beer in babylon, best value for money in LR.Every club has something a little different on the menu. I've found most of the girls 'prices' work out to about the same 50 euro's for me. I do like Samya when the girls get up to dance but feel that its a bit forced, I like seeing girls getting up and dancing because they feel like dancing. I've had great sex in all the clubs as well as bad sex, has nothing to do with the club location. In the end I go to where the lineup is the best to my liking and the facilities are big enough where one can stretch one's legs from time to time. To say one area is better than another is utter nonsense.


He won approval to have all marihuana removed from Amsterdam's coffee houses and vowed to remove the RLD next.Thought I read that only the locals were allowed to sample the green stuff, you had to show I'd showing you weren't a tourist. And if the RLD closes down, many will move over to the clubs in Germany.

Neutron Flux
04-24-14, 01:11
Thought I read that only the locals were allowed to sample the green stuff, you had to show I'd showing you weren't a tourist. And if the RLD closes down, many will move over to the clubs in Germany.Nah, I think theoretically its in the law and it had been enforced in some Dutch provinces, but in Amsterdam and many other popular areas, in practice everyone gets it, and has been for many many years, even if you don't know any Dutch. I have a friend, haha, who can attest that.

As I said forget about the RLD, vastly inferior to FKKs and other offerings in Germany, and every Dutch who has a clue knows that, why do you think are all the border area FKKs flooded with the Dutch?

Boomer10
04-24-14, 01:38
I look at alot of the clubs in NRW like Samya or Bernd, they seem to be rated very highly, but their website doesn't have English. This makes me nervous that foriegners I. E. Americans, aren't exactly welcome. Goldentime has English and looks very inviting and Oase and a lot of the Hessen clubs all have English.

What do you guys think? A first timer American like myself, should I stick to places which advertises itself more as welcoming to foreigners?English speakers are welcome at Samya and Bernds. I speak no German and have had no problems at either club.

Bernds is a small club with a small but consistent line up. When it's busy it can be cramped and if you're alone there's not a lot to do between sessions. They just announced in their newsletter a "Gentleman's Only Lounge" that will be playing Sky Sports on a wide screen. I believe it's in the old whirlpool room. For the folks that remember that room, it's probably big enough for a small number to relax in. The big plus for Bernds from my point of view is the uniformly high quality of service. If the facility is important to you, that will probably disappoint you but the service from the girls won't.

Samya is a larger club with more places to hang out. I think the food is pretty good in general. The line up is larger and younger than Bernds. My experience is the service is pretty good but not up to Bernds level. The facility is much nicer than Bernds.

I would not be concerned about not being welcome, you'll be treated well at either club.

Fats
04-24-14, 02:26
I look at alot of the clubs in NRW like Samya or Bernd, they seem to be rated very highly, but their website doesn't have English. This makes me nervous that foriegners I. E. Americans, aren't exactly welcome. Goldentime has English and looks very inviting and Oase and a lot of the Hessen clubs all have English.

What do you guys think? A first timer American like myself, should I stick to places which advertises itself more as welcoming to foreigners?The Bernd's website has what they call "Factsheet US" which is in English and most likely geared towards foreigners.

http://schieferhof.istmein.de/facts.pdf?cls=res

OfficeMatt
04-24-14, 03:44
Probably not the right thread but this has been going on for many years, it's not like a sudden attack. As a P4P destination Amsterdam is quite dead for years anyway, the RLD is mainly a tourist spot. As for the pot they tried restricting it even more but I read they faced staunch opposition from local businesses, night clubs and so on.

Why? Despite of what you may have heard the average Amsterdam and Dutch Joe is actually somewhat conservative and does not particularly like these things going on in his home town, especially when it involves a young, and not exactly well-behaved crowd. I have to say it, sorry about that, particularly from the UK. If you ever witnessed a couple of summer nights in Amsterdam city center you know what I mean.Dutch Joe isn't really conservative, but rather he is tolerant. And since I was in the RLD on Friday night, I honestly haven't seen much of a difference since I started going back after my initial hiatus that ended in 2009. Fantastic place. No pressure, no fear. Just fun. If you get the chance, go.

As a P4P destination, it is quite alive and has been for some years. Toned down, yes, but dead? NO!

FKKForLife
04-24-14, 15:49
So once your walking around in only a robe or a towel do you just carry cash around with you wherever you are in a club? Or a wallet in your hands at all times?

Also. What is keno?

Banana Boi
04-24-14, 17:12
Some clubs have small money lockers in the club so you can keep your money there. Otherwise you keep your money in your locker. Walking around with money or your wallet is not recommended. If you wear a robe then I guess putting 50 euro in a pocket isn't a bad idea. Not the worst thing if you lose it in the club or you forget it in your robe before you leave.

Kino is a room where they show porn. You take the girls in there for some fun before the room and that time may or may not be included in your room time. Remember if you get a BJ or DFK a girl unwritten rule is you are committed to a session.

As for the Amsterdam RLD, I personally love it. I don't go there for good sex rather a lot of fun talking to the window girls. I will try a couple of girls just for fun but expect nothing. I found a Serbian gem there last Spring who I repeat every visit. I always thought that if you were to put all the top Amsterdam RLD girls together they could compete lookswise with any top FKK. Of course service and value are other issues.

Banana Boi
04-24-14, 19:21
there is no club in Hessen that can approach the average service level of Babylon, Panthera, Luderlounge, Neby, Bernds and a few others.Every trip I set out to do a couple of different things. This trip I plan on hitting a "service" club to see if the service is indeed better than the top GFE girls I have had at "non-service" clubs. Out of the "service" clubs which ones have the best looking girls under 27 or so.

The other thing I will be doing this trip is hitting paschalclub laufhaus and das bordello in Cologne and possibly the RLD in Duisburg.

Iceberg27
04-24-14, 21:58
Since I had to postponed my trip for 2 weeks I had long enough time to make RTFF. Thanks to all guys here especially Banana. Boi for their help and info provided. Really worked for me. I have to admit that despite I have made such a large research. (I wouldn't make the cliche Ph. D joke.) I have made some major mistakes because it's not easy to find the answers for questions. When you ask a question here to the forum you sense that it will sound stupid because it has been asked thousand times here and replied ten thousand times. For example, NRW or FRA, To rent a car or not, Top lists in FRA or NRW. Entering prices, session prices, destinations etc. Etc. Yes all the information all there and this Germany FKK thread is one of the largest part of the Forum but. Also I must add that it's the reason why it's not easy to find here because there is too much information. I think members like me looking for something different. Not just plain information. I need more comparisons and impressions so I will try to give my impressions briefly and I will try to answer to the common questions from my perspective since they are asked thousand times, there are still many guys reading this to find out answers to this questions;

FRA or NRW or Berlin.

I have made my first visit to Artemis two years ago and I have no regrets to do that after my 6th FKK-Bordello visit. (Oase, Samya, GT, Artemis, Magnum, Pascha). Artemis is a great place for a first timer. Yes there are sharks but also gems enough. And a place full of beatiful women never big enough. Don't worry you wouldn't get lost. You will for more and more space.

This size thing was one of my mostly considered issue because I really like to get lost in big FKK's. When you check the metersquares on their websites you will see that Magnum is bigger than Samya but actually this is deceptive. In my opinion you will have more space in Samya. The important point here is size of Main bar-club area and it's bigger and comfortable in Samya than in Magnum's main bar area. (Why they put the big speakers just behind your ass on seats?) Magnum has got some rooms and maybe upper floors but most of them are just empty and useless. Magnum don't have the aura of Samya. Oase is big enough but it's again not giving you the freshness and comfort of Artemis. I think architecturally a FKK must be born as a FKK. I had ten times more space in Artemis than I had inOase. One of the bad thing is you always have to climb stairs to go to lockers and to eat something and even for toilets also. It's simply tiresome. I don't even mention about the terrible and expensive food. I have made my choice for NRW because of cost issues but that was a mistake because for weekend FRA clubs much much better. I had great time in Oase on Saturday and it wasnt too much crowded. One superiority of Artemis to Oase is Kino action. Kino is a separated area so you can enjoy the real erotism there. You will have the feeling that you take your GF and take her to a dark room. This is not the case in Oase. It's just in the middle of everything and open for everyone's eyes. The good thing with Oase is the Cum in Mouth thing. It's a big Oase tradition and nearly all girls will ask you for this. They like you to cumm in their mouths. You are being informed about cost of it even in reception so when you enter you have the feeling of you will come in a lot of mouths! For weekdays NRW clubs can be preferable? I don't know because NRW side takes most of it's power from GT and it was in a weak time when I was there. That's maybe the reason that I like FRA much. Of course I can't make a real comparison after visiting only one club in FRA but I want to share my feelings. Samya is also a big power for NRW andalso Magnum is if you are only looking for good value for your money. Magnum offers you 9 and 10. S.

To rent a car or not.

Guys. Please do it. Yes I am also fan of the public transport system in European Countries and it's extra good in Germany but I highly recommend you to taste the feeling of Driving freely on German Autobahns and feel the excitement of finding women for fuck. I say from the heart maybe the time that you spend on way, beneath this little villages better than the time spend in FKK's.

Note:If you take the car in Airport you will have to pay %22 Airport fee and it's totally unnecesary. Just a few euro to go city center by train.

Top Clubs in Cities.

Don't try to visit all. I was suspicious about my policy giving one day off. I usually make one day visit and the other day get rest so I make one visit per 2 days. Now I think this is definitely a true practice. By this way you will have enough time to enjoy normal touristic places and enough material to cover your trip. So if we assume an average visit is 5 days. 3 FKK clubs will be enough. Don't waste your time to visit all. I have regrets not to go to a Partryreff or smt different than another FKK visit in Cologne. By the way Cologne is a nice city. Don't forget to buy some after shave from the hundred years Cologne shop 4711 °. At the end yes it's million times nicer than FRA in means of sightseeing but it's still a boring city especially in weekdays like all german cities.

Just for your information my list would be as follows;

NRW.

Samya.

Magnum.

Mondial.

FRA.

Oase.

Sharks.

World.

I have written this for the people who don't enough time and patience to make the RTFF.

Regards.

Breadman
04-24-14, 22:30
What service is concerned, there is no club in Hessen that can approach the average service level of Babylon, Panthera, Luderlounge, Neby, Bernds and a few others. The only place that comes close is Dietzenbach (and not for the AO) , but that place has other downsides. Of the big clubs, it is widely recognised that World gives you the best chance of good service. But even here you have chicks like Diana and Simona, that prefer smiling over DFK-ing. Public DFK and BBBJ is common only in Dietzenbach.Several years back there was this smoking hot chick at GT that just did it for me, unfortunately her service was average in the room. Few months go by and I'm on another trip, this time at Oase on a Saturday night and the club is PACKED with talent and who do I see? The girl from GT. She see's me and runs over and gives me a huge hug, then gives me tons of free couch time. Took her in the room twice that trip at Oase and she rocked my world.

So was it the club that opened up her service? Or the fact I was probably the only familiar face at the club?

Breadman
04-24-14, 22:40
Quote: If you take the car in Airport you will have to pay %22 Airport fee and it's totally unnecesary. Just a few euro to go city center by train.

I'm assuming you rented a car for the week and traveled to the city to pick up the car? What rate did you pay and what type of car did you rent (economy etc)? How many car rental websites did you check out before booking?

I ask these questions because I've gotten some very, very good rates and always pick up the car at the airport. My last two rentals were both two week rentals picked up at the FRA airport. Both were just over 200 euro's for 14 days each. I payed around 15 euro's per day and both times it was a decent size economy car (a 5 door ford fiesta one time).

Forcharles
04-25-14, 02:42
Breadman, I'd be interested in what rental company you used for the 15EU per day price at the FRA airport. I've rented from Sixti for a small economy car, but never got that great of a price.

FKKForLife
04-25-14, 04:26
Thanks Iceberg27, yea I think my eyes might be getting ahead of my penis.

I should stick to visiting 2-3 clubs than trying to go to 4 or 5.

Beffen1
04-26-14, 14:49
Several years back there was this smoking hot chick at GT that just did it for me, unfortunately her service was average in the room. Few months go by and I'm on another trip, this time at Oase on a Saturday night and the club is PACKED with talent and who do I see? The girl from GT. She see's me and runs over and gives me a huge hug, then gives me tons of free couch time. Took her in the room twice that trip at Oase and she rocked my world.

So was it the club that opened up her service? Or the fact I was probably the only familiar face at the club?Neither Breadman- hate to burst your bubble but it was the famous Oase side salad- gives you extra energy and makes you horny. Plus, you don't need a penis pump- that helped. Anyway, you were the benefactor so it doesn't matter why.

Regards, beffen

Creature2
04-26-14, 18:49
I'm back to NRW after a 6 months interval and check my options. I am searching for clubs for some quality service, warranted DFK and not that pricey.

Haus Panthera is one of the options.

What about ACA and Mondial, nowadays?

I am not sure about the service level at Heaven 7 of Willich but still 1 Euro per minute deal, intrigues me.

Some RTC (Grimberg, maybe Romantika) are on the menu and also Penelope, as well.

Any idea or recomendations might be handy.

Iceberg27
04-26-14, 19:43
Quote: If you take the car in Airport you will have to pay %22 Airport fee and it's totally unnecesary. Just a few euro to go city center by train.

I'm assuming you rented a car for the week and traveled to the city to pick up the car? What rate did you pay and what type of car did you rent (economy etc)? How many car rental websites did you check out before booking?

I ask these questions because I've gotten some very, very good rates and always pick up the car at the airport. My last two rentals were both two week rentals picked up at the FRA airport. Both were just over 200 euro's for 14 days each. I payed around 15 euro's per day and both times it was a decent size economy car (a 5 door ford fiesta one time).Breadman,

I had a Renault Clio SW 2009 model and it was like brand new. I really liked the car. I have paid for 5 days 175 USD and since I didn't know the Airport fee, I check out in airport and check in City center also I had to pay 7€ per day for navigation so totally a 75€ invoice when I deliver the car. It makes around 200€ for 5 days. I have used rentalcarscom website but keep in mind that they don't show such extra costs. At that time when I check from Europcar's website the price was higher so I preferred to work with a third party. I recommend you to bring your own navigation unit if you have the Europe map package because 35€ is nearly half price of a Navigation unit for buying. Really too expensive.

FKKForLife,

I hope you enjoy your visit.

Breadman
04-26-14, 22:33
Breadman, I'd be interested in what rental company you used for the 15EU per day price at the FRA airport. I've rented from Sixti for a small economy car, but never got that great of a price.First thing you need to do is start searching months ahead of your trip. You also need to rent for the entire week to get the best 'per day' rate. Also might have helped that I was booking and prepaying in the dead of winter for two trips in the summer. I found that rate by going thru United's website. You know right after you book your ticket and up pop's the 'do you need a car' option. I think they changed it, but when I clicked on the link I noticed a 'code' in the application right before I was forwarded to the quote's. I then copied that quote and used it for another trip (but flying American) and was given the same price. Both times I was rewarded United miles for the rental car. Other times its plain old Orbitz that has the best rate, kayak also gives some good options. But my goto website is kemwel (thanks to Jackyo for giving me that website) , they show you who you will be renting from and in most case's their quote is less than you'd find elsewhere. Another trick is to watch the exchange rate and try to prepay your cars when there's a drop in the euro.

Henio
04-27-14, 07:57
First thing you need to do is start searching months ahead of your trip. You also need to rent for the entire week to get the best 'per day' rate. Also might have helped that I was booking and prepaying in the dead of winter for two trips in the summer. I found that rate by going thru United's website. You know right after you book your ticket and up pop's the 'do you need a car' option. I think they changed it, but when I clicked on the link I noticed a 'code' in the application right before I was forwarded to the quote's. I then copied that quote and used it for another trip (but flying American) and was given the same price. Both times I was rewarded United miles for the rental car. Other times its plain old Orbitz that has the best rate, kayak also gives some good options. But my goto website is kemwel (thanks to Jackyo for giving me that website) , they show you who you will be renting from and in most case's their quote is less than you'd find elsewhere. Another trick is to watch the exchange rate and try to prepay your cars when there's a drop in the euro.Use the flyertalk forum to find rental discount codes. Also try autoeurope. Com as they are usually amongst the lowest.

Trans Atlantic
04-28-14, 03:11
For car rentals always recheck your rate. Sixt is notorious for dropping their rates 7 to 2 days prior to pickup depending on demand.

As for navi, if you have a unlocked smartphone, just buy a German SIM with data (€9 for 1GB or more). That's a lot if data for Google maps or Waze. Much cheaper than navi rental or buying / carrying a separate nav unit.

For DUS, Sixt pickup at Maritim has no location fee; this is located near the Rewe side of the airport. Hertz Hbf location has no location fee but will cost you €2. 50 to get there from airport.

MontyG
04-28-14, 07:16
Reaching FRA airport in the morning of May 5th. Have about 8 hours layover. Trying to decide between Sharks and Oase. Which would you recommend for a first time FKK experience? Not sure if I can get a good service, looks and variety on Monday during daytime. Would appreciate any guidance from senior members.

FKKForLife
04-28-14, 15:48
Reaching FRA airport in the morning of May 5th. Have about 8 hours layover. Trying to decide between Sharks and Oase. Which would you recommend for a first time FKK experience? Not sure if I can get a good service, looks and variety on Monday during daytime. Would appreciate any guidance from senior members.Oh my bad. I was thinking about Palace or Manhattan. No, I don't suppose Sharks is closer to airport. Oase can pick you up from the airport. I reckon if I had less than 8 hours I'll have them pick me up and then drop me back off.

Travel69
04-29-14, 23:29
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/europes-east/eu-defies-russia-granting-visa-free-travel-moldovans-301783

FiddyCent
04-30-14, 02:16
Reaching FRA airport in the morning of May 5th. Have about 8 hours layover. Trying to decide between Sharks and Oase. Which would you recommend for a first time FKK experience? Not sure if I can get a good service, looks and variety on Monday during daytime. Would appreciate any guidance from senior members.Hello MontyG.

According to Google, you are 1 minute closer to Sharks than you are to Oase, from FRA. Decide by a coin flip. The other two city clubs, Palace and Mainhatten are closer. Mainhatten has a cheaper entry in the morning. The service you get at Mainhatten is pretty good, however you only get to choose from a group of brunettes with a sprinkling of blondes. At Palace, you may get more blondes. It also depends on how you prefer to spend your layover. Do you want a relaxed environment or one where you are hounded and sharked?

Good luck with your decision.

FiddyCent

UltraHappy
04-30-14, 03:02
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/europes-east/eu-defies-russia-granting-visa-free-travel-moldovans-301783Nice article. Thanks for posting it. Following the links in this article, it looks like this decision relates only to tourist visas. It appears that these "short-stay" visas unfortunately won't afford the Moldovians the right to work in the EU.

Sxyman
04-30-14, 13:30
Does anyone have any experience with a site which claims to pick you up at the airport and take you to fkk clubs, and back, for a fee? Is it reliable?

Thanks in advance.

Optimist
04-30-14, 14:38
Does anyone have any experience with a site which claims to pick you up at the airport and take you to fkk clubs, and back, for a fee? Is it reliable?

Thanks in advance.I know some people who have done this and were happy with the service, but I can see no reason why you should do it really. Going to an FKK is simple in the extreme and without problems, even if you speak no German. If you are a first timer in the Frankfurt area, maybe avoid Palace as the girls will be more experienced at charging you than you will be at saying no LOL

Sxyman
04-30-14, 14:42
I know some people who have done this and were happy with the service, but I can see no reason why you should do it really. Going to an FKK is simple in the extreme and without problems, even if you speak no German. If you are a first timer in the Frankfurt area, maybe avoid Palace as the girls will be more experienced at charging you than you will be at saying no LOLThanks! I appreciate your reply.

Simex
04-30-14, 15:52
There are many, most are freelancers driving around in beige cream coloured Mercedes Benz. Most speak English, German and exceptional Turkish. Their machines are regularly monitored and services extremely reliable.


Does anyone have any experience with a site which claims to pick you up at the airport and take you to fkk clubs, and back, for a fee? Is it reliable?

Thanks in advance.

Banana Boi
04-30-14, 16:25
Any major roadwork causing delays?

Most interested in the A3 between FRA and DUSS but reports of other areas would be helpful for others as well.

Breadman
04-30-14, 16:38
There are many, most are freelancers driving around in beige cream coloured Mercedes Benz. Most speak English, German and exceptional Turkish. Their machines are regularly monitored and services extremely reliable.And remember, these aren't regulated business's but an individual looking for extra income. You [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) them off while on the tour there's a possibility of being stranded on the side of the road. I know this for a fact, met a guy on a tour and he was threatened with just the same thing. There will be others on the tour with you, if you don't get along with someone 'somebody' might be kicked out of the group (without a refund).

Sxyman
04-30-14, 22:45
And remember, these aren't regulated business's but an individual looking for extra income. You [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) them off while on the tour there's a possibility of being stranded on the side of the road. I know this for a fact, met a guy on a tour and he was threatened with just the same thing. There will be others on the tour with you, if you don't get along with someone 'somebody' might be kicked out of the group (without a refund).A good thing to know or be aware of.

Member #4581
05-01-14, 03:02
When I visit Germany, fkk visits seem to cost me nearly 1500 euro in 3 days. That is probably about average. Since I don't live there, I get greedy and try to sample too many girls, and with one or two extras, you are quickly running up the tab.

For an occasional visitor like me, that is not a problem, but if I lived there in Germany, with multiple clubs in driving distance, I can imagine that I will be quickly draining my bank account. It might not be a stretch to think I could be spending north of 15 to 20 thousand euros a year, if I go to a club every week, may be more than once a week?

StarletVoyager
05-01-14, 05:07
If anyone is around on my visit to frankfurt and vienna this May-June it would be good to meet up and exchange detailed intel on the hotties in heels! Check travel section for exact times. Thanks SV.

McGrath
05-02-14, 14:45
Next time I'm coming to Hessen is in June when it is the World Cup. Never been during the World Cup before. How does the clubs treat this event? Matches showed in the kino? Any of the clubs doesn't show at all? You can tell me for Palace, World, Sharks, Oase and Mainhattan so I can make definite travel plans that would be much appreciated.

Trans Atlantic
05-02-14, 15:27
There are many, most are freelancers driving around in beige cream coloured Mercedes Benz. Most speak English, German and exceptional Turkish. Their machines are regularly monitored and services extremely reliable.LOL. And you don't need to book in advance. They just hover around around airports and train stations all days waiting to take people to FKKs.

Sxyman
05-02-14, 22:43
Hello I am still learning about FKK's in case I decide to try one some day. I'm tempted.

Anyway I googled a Lagune FKK and Saunaclub but it seems the website (and even on google maps) now refers to a Schatzi Bar. It seems that it is still the same, but I would love your opinion, is it worth trying if one is close to it? Can one manage if one doesn't speak German? Sorry for the questions.

Vitrea
05-03-14, 02:15
Does anyone have any experience with a site which claims to pick you up at the airport and take you to fkk clubs, and back, for a fee? Is it reliable?

Thanks in advance.Seriously, No able bodied man should need to use this service. Use it only if you have a physical handicap where you need assistance to get in (I am not joking or being sarcastic). It is easier to go to an FKK than to a fancy restaurant, where you might need reservations.

Dave991
05-03-14, 22:03
Hi there,

Anyone knows which FKK is frequented by younger pros? Someone posted in the Golden Time thread that under-21 are no longer welcome there. I know Samya and Living Room are good, but other tips are welcome.

Thanks!

Dave

Forcharles
05-06-14, 18:34
Frankfurt:

http://www.messefrankfurt.com/content/dam/corporate/messe/publikationen/MF-Kal_web_FFM_2014_english.pdf

Outside Frankfurt:

http://www.messefrankfurt.com/content/dam/corporate/messe/publikationen/MF-Kal_web_international_2014_english.pdf

Brochure:

http://user-71021585986.publ.com/tradefairs-congresses-events-01-2014

Solo Traveler
05-07-14, 23:11
There are many, most are freelancers driving around in beige cream coloured Mercedes Benz. Most speak English, German and exceptional Turkish. Their machines are regularly monitored and services extremely reliable.Based on what you're saying, it sounds like they are some kind of Turkish taxi drivers who want to get more income by taking clients to clubs and get some club commission?

StarletVoyager
05-10-14, 23:32
Falls on 8/6-9/6 as far as I understand whitsunday / Monday. Does anyone know if public transport and shops etc are running as normal. The reason is that I fly home on 8/6. As far as I can tell some shops closed trains Sunday service. Anyone has more info on this public holiday.

Trans Atlantic
05-11-14, 06:08
Based on what you're saying, it sounds like they are some kind of Turkish taxi drivers who want to get more income by taking clients to clubs and get some club commission?Simex is replying to Sxyman there is no need to book the service that takes you to FKKs when any taxi will provide the same service regardless of the ethnicity of the driver.

Hessen Bub
05-11-14, 08:49
Falls on 8/6-9/6 as far as I understand whitsunday / Monday. Does anyone know if public transport and shops etc are running as normal. The reason is that I fly home on 8/6. As far as I can tell some shops closed trains Sunday service. Anyone has more info on this public holiday.It's a public holiday and shops will be closed (Monday). Trains will run on Sunday schedules. Saturday is a normal Saturday.

HB

Optimist
05-11-14, 12:20
Any major roadwork causing delays?

Most interested in the A3 between FRA and DUSS but reports of other areas would be helpful for others as well.Sorry for late reply. Apart from a live traffic satnav which I find invaluable, there are several German websites with info on roadworks and jams, for example http://www.verkehrsinfo.de/. This will at least give info on any major roadworks scheduled. FRA to DUS canoccasionally be a nightmare, especially due to the traffic round Koln. Depending on your final destination / starting point it is a good bet to take the A4 westwards just south of Koln. Also of course try to avoid the rush hours around Koln

Banana Boi
05-11-14, 13:57
Sorry for late reply. Apart from a live traffic satnav which I find invaluable, there are several German websites with info on roadworks and jams, for example.

http://www.verkehrsinfo.de/

This will at least give info on any major roadworks scheduled. FRA to DUS canoccasionally be a nightmare, especially due to the traffic round Koln. Depending on your final destination / starting point it is a good bet to take the A4 westwards just south of Koln. Also of course try to avoid the rush hours around KolnThanks for the link, Optimist. Will check it out.

Sxyman
05-11-14, 21:58
Simex is replying to Sxyman there is no need to book the service that takes you to FKKs when any taxi will provide the same service regardless of the ethnicity of the driver.Yes in fact it makes more sense to me to just get a standard taxi.

Citizen Kane
05-14-14, 18:16
What follows might possibly be the dullest question in the entire history of this forum;.

I am in the final planning stages of my very first assault on NRW. Apart from being from England and having to drive on the other side of the road, my main concern is the parking and safety of my 'Renault Twingo or similar'.

Using Bing and Google maps, and what I can glean from the forum (can't believe there isn't a car parking thread!) I have come up with the following;.

GT: Small car park by club, big car park across the road (I think).

VV: No problem.

Acapulco: No problem.

Dolce Vita: Car park through a larger car park behind the club?

Magnum: looks to be parking directly outside, job to say.

Living room: very small car park by the club for about 3 cars?

Any additional information would be gratefully received.

Thanks for staying awake.

Banana Boi
05-14-14, 23:11
GT: Small car park by club, big car park across the road (I think).

VV: No problem.

Acapulco: No problem.

Dolce Vita: Car park through a larger car park behind the club?

Magnum: looks to be parking directly outside, job to say.

Living room: very small car park by the club for about 3 cars?

Dull but may be useful for newbies.

GT parking lot fills up soon after the club opens. The parking guy will direct you where to park. Next area is the long street beside the club, then down the road and you will be driven back to the club. A lot of the girls park in the store beside the club. I've never had to but I'm guessing it's ok to park there as well.

ACA - Parking lot gets full at night. You will need to park on ground level and walk up.

Dolce Vita / Magnum / LR. Park on the street just watch out for taxi signs.

Samya. Tiny parking lot. Otherwise park on the street.

Mondial. Large parking lot up the ramp that hardly anyone uses. Everyone parks on the street.

PHG / YY / Sixsens - very large parking lots.

The only one that I have seen broken window glass is Magnum. There are no/few lights on Heinrich-Hertz-Strae.

Trans Atlantic
05-15-14, 04:05
BananaBoi sums it up pretty well.

GT. I've parked at the lot on the other side of Heidweg after business hours of the store that it is connected to; it is fair game since there is a closed gate isolating that lot from the business. Never tried to parked there when that business / gate is open.

DV. There is a lot behind the club but I usually can find a spot on Briedestraße.

LR lot is tiny - count on having to park on street.

Magnum has a small lot - I usually park on street

Atmos (Hamburg) - small lot - park on street

Harmony (Hamburg) - large lot.

Mainhattan - small lot - park on street

Citizen Kane
05-15-14, 06:54
Many thanks Banana Boi and Trans Atlantic for the help.

CK.