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[Hessen Bub]

For me, the premium price at Globe (30 min. CHF 140 v. EU 70 at FKK) is worth it because you almost never see fatties, plain-janes, or rude / surly behavior. 50€ is the price for 30 min in Germany.

HB.

[PussyLiccker]

I've met some girls worked at Globe recently. Common complaint is the rules. Didn't ask in details, but anybody why they complain about that? Are the rules that they must do minimum of certain things, public sex, or not be rude or be themselves? I much prefer it if rude girls are rude. Makes it easy to weed them out. I don't need girls to be doing things because they must, but they are free to do what. I guess it could be good for punters as service clubs do that already.

Lets consider this. A LU at a DE club is 80-110 girls on peak night. A small club like Globe or whatnot with partial older types would have all stunners? I did one visit, and if the club is worth the pricing shouldn't every visit have high percentage of great lookers? Not my impression.

Germany has lots of clubs so it's not an easy generalization. Lots of clubs keeps things competitive, and prices low, but at the same time, Germany has a different standard in pricing. Pricing is generally low in DE compared to Swiss, and that includes sessions. Cost of living etc. You can go to a service club, club full of sharks, mixed club, discount club, flat rate, or party treff and get different LU and experiences. Various options in DE. Just lots to choose from to pick a club that fits best.

[UShobbyist]

So. I have read thru the recent posts on Oases, Sharks, World, Etc threads and almost all report limited line-ups or poor quality and other FKKs (Mainhatten, GT, Alcapulco seem to get more airtime?

This seems like a big change from last summer when Sharks and World were getting rave reviews for huge line-up, space, etc.

Not trying to start a war but do any mongers re-visit the Zurich market for Club Globe?

The entrance at Globe at 90 v. 70 Euros at FKKs doesn't seem like big difference; and it seems like all German FKKs you have to pay a 20 min taxi OR spend 1. 5 hours on public trains v. Like 7 CHF for a 10 min Train ride in Zurich?

Further, paying 140 CHF for Globe Girl where looks / service on average seem better v. Paying 70 EU for a FKK where fatties, plain-faces, and shark-service seem more common?

Again, Globe has its bad weeks as well; but it seems counter productive to spend ones time, which has value, and complain about recent FKKs results v. Trying other options.

Two bad hamburgers are not better than a good steak. Even if same price?The major difference between FKK Globe and German FKKs is that there are few sharks in FKK Globe. If the customers complain about the Globe girls' bad services, the managers of FKK Globe will pay attention to those complains. The average services of the girls of FKK Globe are better than the average services of the girls of German FKK clubs. However, the top level services of German FKK girls are better based on my personal experience because I have my regulars in German FKK clubs.

[Hessen Bub]

I've met some girls worked at Globe recently. Common complaint is the rules. Didn't ask in details, but anybody why they complain about that? Are the rules that they must do minimum of certain things, public sex, or not be rude or be themselves?At Globe 30 min are 30 min. Girls HAVE TO kiss, service levels are defined. 3 complaints from 3 different customers and the girl is out. Results into good but somehow standardized service.

Girls are being checked by management more or less every day: Make up, nails, shaved, hair, weight, no additional tattoos or silicone as long as they work there.

HB.

[Syzygies]

My take is if a club has many plain / average women, then it has a depressing / grim impact on the atmosphere. Almost, like you have been invited to a "bad party" v. A posh party with upper class babes.

I absolutely feel Zurich's premium pricing is absolutely worth the premium; and FKKs savings are being penny wise, pound foolish.Unless you have attended both a number of times, we have to take your opinions as being biased. I am also biased as have not yet attended Globe.

Those of us attending FKK many times, have got very well used to the club having plenty of fatties and plain Janes. We just ignore them. There are still plenty of girls with great naked bodies worth looking at. We just ignore anything else. There is no compulsion to perve at every girl. We even get blasé about naked girls.

It is only depressing when the girls we look for are not present and cannot find anything stunning at all. When we have collected 6 to 12 favourite girls, the chances that they are all missing gets very small indeed.

I would go to Globe, if I am stationed to work in Zurich. As I have mainly been stationed in Frankfurt, I am simply happy to go to FKK in that location.

For those of us that like long sessions of an hour or more, Globe prices could become a significant factor. Globe price is more than double the FKK price per time period. Given we like repeating favourite girls that have both the looks and adequate performance to super performance, can the Globe girls be really more than twice as good, or so good that we would be happy with half the amount of time or less? Very doubtful. I am sure Globe will make an interesting change, but it won't suddenly convert us all away from German FKK.

I can't afford to FKK every day. In Globe I would be much more limited with my sessions. In another cheap country, I can monger more often.

If you are so rich, the prices don't matter, sure go for whatever is best. I have a Swiss buddy that spends most of his time in German FKKs, less in Globe. I wonder why. Probably just wants the variety of going to several different clubs (on different days).

I definitely feel that I could not afford very many 1 hour sessions in Globe, per visit. Budget would get blown very quickly.

Most punters want hot girls at budget prices.

[Trans Atlantic]

I absolutely feel Zurich's premium pricing is absolutely worth the premium; and FKKs savings are being penny wise, pound foolish.If I recall, you didn't like Globe and was raving about Club Aphrodisia. What changed?

[PayForIt]

This post seeks answers to questions about mongering mainly in FKK clubs from those people who post a lot. There are some people who very helpfully post many times in a week / month / year. I've personally benefitted from their words, experiences, etc in very much the way the forum no doubt was created to assist. So thanks for that help.

If you are a frequent senior member who posts a lot please feel free to tell me to mind my own business, or ignore this post completely. I am just very intrigued to ask some questions that I think a lot of guys who read the forums ask in their heads but maybe don't ask for fear of causing upset or appearing to be too personal. When I have met some ISG members in clubs they have asked me some of the questions below about those who post a lot and I've not known the answers but I've wondered myself. So here goes with the questions! It's purely intrigue and also to get a feel for how others deal with mongering / it's effects / and particularly those who use FKK clubs. I'm not writing a book on the subject or doing research. It's just interesting!

So, I've seen the likes of Sirioja, Hessen Bub, Syzygies, PussyLickker, Banana Boi and many others post in so many of the German forums and also even in the Swiss forums. In some weeks you guys appear to have visited an FKK club nearly every single day or occasionally even more than one FKK club in a day. This is entirely your choice of course and indeed many men would envy you. But how are you guys able to do this? Here is a list of questions. I'd be fascinated to read your answers if you are willing, and if not, no fear. I totally understand! The questions are written as if asked personally to one person rather than in the third person or plural. Please feel free to answer all, some or none of the questions. Believe me. You'd be doing many people a favour as I know these are the types of questions other (less experienced) mongers would love to know answers to:

1. Do you have a job or are retired?

2. In an average week how often do you visit an FKK club?

3. Do you get bored with this at all? Seeing beautiful young naked girls is always nice but I find that if I've had 3 or more days in succession in any type of brothel / bordello / FKK / Spanish puticlubs etc I've had enough and want to get back to "real" life. When do you start to feel you want a break from it?

4. Do you take breaks from mongering? If so, how often?

5. How much money do you spend on average in a visit to an FKK club?

6. How much cash do you think you spend annually in FKK clubs?

7. How many times do you pop in an FKK club? I ask this as I now appreciate as I've got older (I'm 51) that two in any 5 or 6 hours is the max for me and often I'm done after one. Result is long sessions as I don't want my trips into FKKs to be over inside 90 minutes of arriving!

8. What do you mainly do in between sessions? (Sleep / work / watch the fun / talk to girls / talk to guys?

9. Do you think there is an advantage with the girls of being known in the club (other than not being hounded / sharked / asked if it's your first time here!

10. If yes to (9) what are the advantages?

11. What disadvantages (if any) are there in being a regular at a club?

12. Do you have a routine when you go to an FKK or do you just take it as it comes each day?

13. Do you have sex with non-sex workers outside of FKK clubs.

14. Are you married or in a relationship?

15. Does your partner know you attend these clubs? If not, are you "cheating" but have decided you'll risk it?!

16. What is the most humorous thing you've ever seen in an FKK club / in the lounge / outside areas / or zimmer?

17. What was your most memorable experience in an FKK club and why?

18. Do you sit in one place in the club for most of your visit or do you wander around looking at the girls?

19. Other than the food, do you use the other facilities in the clubs. E. g. Outside pool, massage facility, gym (artemis) games machines, table football (Oase).

20. What is the best club you've been to for food?

21. What is the best club for facilities?

22. If you had to rank the best clubs on LU / quality of service by the girls in the last 3 years (rather then just recently) which are your top three (location not relevant here I. E. Not the best in Hessen, NRW etc. Just your top three overall).

23. What feature of FKK is most irritating to you and why?

24. Do you think the prices in the FKK clubs are too high or low (for time with the girls).

25. How to you rate FKK clubs against other options (AO clubs, Swinging clubs, Brothels, Massage Parlours) for overall experience?

26. Do you take your own condoms to FKK clubs?

27. What percentage of girls will DFK with you if you take a 1 hour session?

28. Do you prefer or avoid dessous days?

29. If you ran an FKK club which thing would you do differently from the clubs you currently attend?

30. If FKK clubs were legal in other countries would you travel to go to them from where you live?

31. How many girls do you think you have sessioned with in FKK clubs since you started?

32. Who is your favourite girl of all time in an FKK club, at which club was it and is she still working. And why is she your favourite?

33. At what age do you think you might say you've had enough and stop doing this?

34. Do you consider yourself to be a sex addict?

That's more than enough.

Some of you will think that it would have been quicker to go to a zimmer and enjoy a session that answer that lot! Apologies.

As stated at the outset. This is only a list of questions that it would be really interesting to me, and I think to others, to have answers to from some experienced forum members. Your answers would make very intriguing reading for many of us so I hope you'll consider it worthy of 10 minutes to answer.

Thanks in anticipation!

[Faceless78]

Sounds really fun, but what's your definition of frequent senior member? Above 1000 posts? How do these people answer you? Via PM? And where and when you are going to present the result?

I'm looking forward to your big research.

[Member #4581]

Wow Pfi, quite an exhaustive list; I am glad you were not my professor during grad school, or else I would have flunked spectacularly, lol

[Hessen Bub]

34. Do you consider yourself to be a sex addict?
Definitly YES.

HB.

[PussyLiccker]

I'm not a regular or local, and take trips to DE. I do multiple clubs and see for myself. I have something to say about several clubs since I've been to a lot of them. I don't plan my visits on what I read here. I will try new clubs from time to time. Repeated visits to a club is based on my past experiences. Past visits tell me what to expect although there is unpredictability since girls change especially if you visit in spurts. I roll the dice. A good club visit is one in which I find a good looker that provides great services. 1 or 2 of them would do as long as they look very hot or beautiful. 5 of them would be an awesome visit.

My advice. Check out the clubs and make you own opinion.

[Nille Copenhagen]

This post seeks answers to questions about mongering mainly in FKK clubs from those people who post a lot.
Thanks in anticipation!You have some relevant questions and lots of private questions. For sure no one will answer you the private stuff.

I've spend lot of money in the clubs as I like longer sessions up to 4-5 hours. I like a mix of regulars / favorites and new girls.

I meet / date normal girls as well going to private sexparty, swingerclubs and FKKs. I just love girls!

I've been together with 1000 plus girls both civilians and pros. I've stopped counting long time ago, LOL Does it matters? The experience is great and excited every time.

[PayForIt]

Sounds really fun, but what's your definition of frequent senior member? Above 1000 posts? How do these people answer you? Via PM? And where and when you are going to present the result?

I'm looking forward to your big research.I definitely don't want PMs! I don't define frequent senior members by number of posts at all. Some people post like chat (nothing wrong with that but can boost post numbers without the author actually citing any experience). I'm talking about guys who week in week out or at least monthly go to FKK clubs. The answers are not intended to be just for my benefit. The questions are those I've heard others ask or that I have wondered about and I think lots of people in the FKK forums would like to know some of the answers and it would be beneficial to receive them. Hence PM is of no value to anyone but me. So answers in forum would be great.

So congratulations to HB and thanks for being the first person to answer at least one of my 34 questions! Maybe my list was too long. I did say that I hoped people felt free to answer even just some of the questions. And I hope we get some experienced FKK guys being willing to give answers for the benefit of all of us.

Cheers.

[PayForIt]

Wow Pfi, quite an exhaustive list; I am glad you were not my professor during grad school, or else I would have flunked spectacularly, lolLOL. But hey. This is what's great. You are likely to be just one of those guys who I had hoped would answer the questions. And you cannot flunk. You cannot be right or wrong. It's just your opinions or experiences. Come on. Don't be shy. Have a go at the answers. Please. That's not just to you. But to all other frequent FKK visitors too. Thanks. In hope!

[Sirioja]

This post seeks answers to questions about mongering mainly in FKK clubs from those people who post a lot. There are some people who very helpfully post many times in a week / month / year. I've personally benefitted from their words, experiences, etc in very much the way the forum no doubt was created to assist. So thanks for that help.

If you are a frequent senior member who posts a lot please feel free to tell me to mind my own business

So, I've seen the likes of Sirioja post in so many of the German forums and also even in the Swiss forums. In some weeks you guys appear to have visited an FKK club nearly every single day or occasionally even more than one FKK club in a day. This is entirely your choice of course and indeed many men would envy you. But how are you guys able to do this? Here is a list of questions. I'd be fascinated to read your answers if you are willing

to know answers to:

1. Do you have a job or are retired?

4. Do you take breaks from mongering? If so, how often?

8. What do you mainly do in between sessions? (Sleep / work / watch the fun / talk to girls / talk to guys?

9. Do you think there is an advantage with the girls of being known in the club (other than not being hounded / sharked / asked if it's your first time here!

10. If yes to (9) what are the advantages?

11. What disadvantages (if any) are there in being a regular at a club?.Why to be so interested by other men, maybe I'm stupid, but only interested by women, I don't care about what others do, out of my friend I try to advice because he lives too far to come often, so I give him information about my girls. I only said to Aylice at Sharks, one of her clients will be happy to meet her soon.

Live your own life, no need to be jealous, I'm not an example for life.

1 , better to earn money to go to FKK or escorts.

4 , I don't spend my holidays in FKK, I prefer bike climbing or skiing, FKK are for my 1300 kilometers driving week-end to relax from job, my friend often say me I prefer to drive on autobahn than FKK.

8 , between rooms, I eat, rest and look for new target or look at my girls behavior.

9 , 10, 11 , being regular and known may be an advantage because girls know me and my tastes, but being know as writing on forum is not an advantage with girls for me.

14, 5 years ago I didn't need escorts and I didn't know FKK.

18 , like in my past jobs, I always look for the strategic place everywhere I go.

19, I miss kicking the garden holes at Oase, but no girls for me there.

20, best for foods is Sakura for me.

21, best swimming pool is PSR, best atmosphere for my tastes is World, even I have often problems with men there.

22, best casting for me was World during 11th birthday on beginning of June 2014 , with 3 favs on same time in same club: 1 Anna. Pol, 2 blond Isabella, 3 Madi. 2nd was Oase, I discovered on end of June 2014 with Maria platinium, Ina. Lat, Emanuela. At the moment best castings for me are Sharks and Aca, even I have an angel at Mainhattan.

27, I stay 1 hour with girls who really kiss. No DFK, only 30 minutes and no repeat.

28 , I prefer when girls are full naked to see all body, some girls have beautiful face, others beautiful tits, others belly, others ass, others legs, others feet.

32 , I was lucky to meet many very pretty, very friendly, GFE girls, at GT, LR, PSR, Samya, Prestige NEUNKIRCHEN, World, Oase, Mainhattan, Sharks. 1 was different for me.

33, as soon I will be able to find a new GF, no problem to stop.

34, not interested by piece of meat to fuck, but only to dream with sparkle girls.

My advice, in French we say: do what I say, not what I do, live your own life, go to your own attractive girls, others tastes are not yours, but better to find a GF, rather to go to prostitutes, take care of your GF, communicate with her, make her feel safe, surprise her, make her laugh, make her dream and she will ask you often to make love to her. This is real life, not illusion and lies.

Think by yourself, don't be followers.

[Member #4581]

I am a frequent poster, not a frequent visitor. Lot, of bark, not enough bite, I am afraid.


LOL. But hey. This is what's great. You are likely to be just one of those guys who I had hoped would answer the questions. And you cannot flunk. You cannot be right or wrong. It's just your opinions or experiences. Come on. Don't be shy. Have a go at the answers. Please. That's not just to you. But to all other frequent FKK visitors too. Thanks. In hope!

[Bfsie]

... better to find a GF, rather to go to prostitutes, take care of your GF, communicate with her, make her feel safe, surprise her, make her laugh, make her dream and she will ask you often to make love to her. This is real life, not illusion and lies.I thought I was on a religious forum, LOL.


...live your own life, go to your own attractive girls, others tastes are not yours,...

Think by yourself, don't be followers.Absolutely agree.

[Nille Copenhagen]

LOL. But hey. This is what's great. You are likely to be just one of those guys who I had hoped would answer the questions. And you cannot flunk. You cannot be right or wrong. It's just your opinions or experiences. Come on. Don't be shy. Have a go at the answers. Please. That's not just to you. But to all other frequent FKK visitors too. Thanks. In hope!PayForIt,

Why don't you start answering your questions here in the open forum, so we can read your experiences and private status.

[Optimist]

Answers.I don't go so often, maybe five times a year for five days, but have been going for probably 14 years.I was even almost young then.

3. Never bored with FKK. Bored with standard service providers but never bored with top performers or with talking to nice girls.

5. 50 if there is no chemistry. Seven hours in a room if there is some chemistry. Anything in between.

14. Married.

15 She knows I visit FKK.

32. Over the years five or six tops. I notice that they are always girls who have loads of customers queuing for them. The best girls are widely agreed.

33 When I am too old to get on an airplane the Germany.So maybe 80.

34. Sex addict. No. Woman addict Yes.

[Nille Copenhagen]

33 When I am too old to get on an airplane the Germany.So maybe 80.
Then fly the girls over. LOL.

[UShobbyist]

13. Do you have sex with non-sex workers outside of FKK clubs.

Of course. Why do you ask such a childish question?

[UShobbyist]

14. Are you married or in a relationship?

In the western world, you don't need to be married or in a relationship to have sex with non-sex workers. In the past 6 years, I had sex with 6 different women right after the new year's eve party. Those women were not prostitutes.

[KaveMan]

This post seeks answers to questions about mongering mainly in FKK clubsI guess the obvious response is you should answer your own questions first; you have been mongering since 2011, and provide insightful / detailed reviews as well.

Your answers will surely get the discussion rolling.

[KaveMan]

13. Do you have sex with non-sex workers outside of FKK clubs.

Of course. Why do you ask such a childish question?With skinny, hot gals in 20's or 40-60's?

I think that's what he's asking.

[Nille Copenhagen]

14. Are you married or in a relationship?

In the western world, you don't need to be married or in a relationship to have sex with non-sex workers. In the past 6 years, I had sex with 6 different women right after the new year's eve party. Those women were not prostitutes.What he is trying to ask is are you cheating!

[PayForIt]

Why to be so interested by other men, maybe I'm stupid, but only interested by women, I don't care about what others do, out of my friend I try to advice because he lives too far to come often, so I give him information about my girls. I only said to Aylice at Sharks, one of her clients will be happy to meet her soon.

Live your own life, no need to be jealous, I'm not an example for life.

1 , better to earn money to go to FKK or escorts.

4 , I don't spend my holidays in FKK, I prefer bike climbing or skiing, FKK are for my 1300 kilometers driving week-end to relax from job, my friend often say me I prefer to drive on autobahn than FKK.

8 , between rooms, I eat, rest and look for new target or look at my girls behavior.

9 , 10, 11 , being regular and known may be an advantage because girls know me and my tastes, but being know as writing on forum is not an advantage with girls for me.

14, 5 years ago I didn't need escorts and I didn't know FKK.

18 , like in my past jobs, I always look for the strategic place everywhere I go.

19, I miss kicking the garden holes at Oase, but no girls for me there.

20, best for foods is Sakura for me.

21, best swimming pool is PSR, best atmosphere for my tastes is World, even I have often problems with men there.

22, best casting for me was World during 11th birthday on beginning of June 2014 , with 3 favs on same time in same club: 1 Anna. Pol, 2 blond Isabella, 3 Madi. 2nd was Oase, I discovered on end of June 2014 with Maria platinium, Ina. Lat, Emanuela. At the moment best castings for me are Sharks and Aca, even I have an angel at Mainhattan.

27, I stay 1 hour with girls who really kiss. No DFK, only 30 minutes and no repeat.

28 , I prefer when girls are full naked to see all body, some girls have beautiful face, others beautiful tits, others belly, others ass, others legs, others feet.

32 , I was lucky to meet many very pretty, very friendly, GFE girls, at GT, LR, PSR, Samya, Prestige NEUNKIRCHEN, World, Oase, Mainhattan, Sharks. 1 was different for me.

33, as soon I will be able to find a new GF, no problem to stop.

34, not interested by piece of meat to fuck, but only to dream with sparkle girls.

My advice, in French we say: do what I say, not what I do, live your own life, go to your own attractive girls, others tastes are not yours, but better to find a GF, rather to go to prostitutes, take care of your GF, communicate with her, make her feel safe, surprise her, make her laugh, make her dream and she will ask you often to make love to her. This is real life, not illusion and lies.

Think by yourself, don't be followers.Interesting. Many thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts / answers and experiences. It will benefit others and it's all of interest.

[PayForIt]

13. Do you have sex with non-sex workers outside of FKK clubs.

Of course. Why do you ask such a childish question?I don't think it is a "childish" question. Children, I would hope at least, would neither know what sex-workers or FKK clubs are. So the question is not childish. I think you might have meant something else. Maybe obvious? It's not obvious either. Some guys seem to spend so much time in FKK clubs that I rather doubt they have the time or inclination to see non-working girls outside.

[Nille Copenhagen]

Interesting. Many thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts / answers and experiences. It will benefit others and it's all of interest.Think by yourself, don't be followers.

[PayForIt]

I guess the obvious response is you should answer your own questions first; you have been mongering since 2011, and provide insightful / detailed reviews as well.

Your answers will surely get the discussion rolling.Hi Kaveman. An excellent bit of reverse psychology! I hadn't even thought of that before I wrote the list. I see that several brave guys have attempted the list so far. Or rather parts of it. I am finding it very interesting that (a) a lot of guys are not answering (b) those who do don't want to answer all of the questions. Which is fine but those they don't answer are as interesting as those they choose to answer. Lest I be accused of wanting others to take part in something I'm not prepared to answer myself, here goes. I think it's easier to cut and paste the questions and answer them below each to avoid a reader having to read back to the original post / list:

1. Do you have a job or are retired? I have a job.

2. In an average week how often do you visit an FKK club? Not per week. I don't live in Germany. I manage to get there maybe 3 or 4 times a year and will go every day when I'm there. So many 12-15 days a year (but wish it was more!

3. Do you get bored with this at all? Seeing beautiful young naked girls is always nice but I find that if I've had 3 or more days in succession in any type of brothel / bordello / FKK / Spanish puticlubs etc I've had enough and want to get back to "real" life. When do you start to feel you want a break from it? I've already answered this from a personal perspective in the question. Yes - I get bored. After a few days I want to go to a club in Spain where the girls are fully dressed. Vive in Madrid has more 9/10 girls than any of the FKK clubs I've ever been to. But then it's 220 euros for an hour.

4. Do you take breaks from mongering? If so, how often? Yes I do. About 2 out of every 5 weeks.

5. How much money do you spend on average in a visit to an FKK club? 400-500 euros.

6. How much cash do you think you spend annually in FKK clubs? Maybe 5000 euros.

7. How many times do you pop in an FKK club? I ask this as I now appreciate as I've got older (I'm 51) that two in any 5 or 6 hours is the max for me and often I'm done after one. Result is long sessions as I don't want my trips into FKKs to be over inside 90 minutes of arriving! I've answered in the question.

8. What do you mainly do in between sessions? (Sleep / work / watch the fun / talk to girls / talk to guys? I cannot sleep between sessions and I'm jealous of the guys who can. I will take a massage, have a sauna, food, shower, gym (at Artemis) pool, table football at Oase, watch sport on the TV, work on iPad, talk to other guys and some of the girls. I get bored in between sessions and waiting until I think I can pop again.

9. Do you think there is an advantage with the girls of being known in the club (other than not being hounded / sharked / asked if it's your first time here! I think there is an advantage. If you are a long session guy / spend decent money, you get better service. I notice if I visit the same club for 3 days running that I get better quality attention and not just the immediate request to go to the room if they've seen me take girls for 2 or more hours on previous days.

10. If yes to (9) what are the advantages? Answered above.

11. What disadvantages (if any) are there in being a regular at a club? I don't know as I'm not regular enough but I would image one disadvantage might be the LU feeling stale.

12. Do you have a routine when you go to an FKK or do you just take it as it comes each day? I won't go to a room inside the first hour. I like to take time, do several tours of the club to get a feel for who is in, mentally draw up a list of possible target girls. Get a sauna / massage / shower, no food before first session, couple of beers, then start the hunt.

13. Do you have sex with non-sex workers outside of FKK clubs. Yes.

14. Are you married or in a relationship? Married.

15. Does your partner know you attend these clubs? If not, are you "cheating" but have decided you'll risk it?! No she doesn't and yes its cheating.

16. What is the most humorous thing you've ever seen in an FKK club / in the lounge / outside areas / or zimmer? Saw a guy lose a game of cards by the pool on a hot day. Game with 3 girls. He had agreed to get whipped if they won. They tied him to the sunbed and gave him a hard thrashing. He was squealing like a pig. They were not gentle. The more other guys and the girls laughed the more they did it and he had a very red ass when they'd finished. He was furious. It was hilarious. Funniest thing I saw in a zimmer was a bit gross: as you will know some girls will disguise having a period by placing a sponge inside. After fucking a pretty hungarian in Oase I pulled out only to find half a very red sponge ring around my cock / the condom. Didn't look pretty. She looked horrified. I burst out laughing and we both then fell about in laughter as it looked so stupid!

17. What was your most memorable experience in an FKK club and why? First time in Artemis. It was busy. I couldn't believe being surrounded by so many naked women. I had a hard on for 30 minutes in the bar which was very obvious as I wear towels not robes. Got a lot of leg pulling by the girls "baby your'e ready for me! Decided I needed a session just to get rid of it!

18. Do you sit in one place in the club for most of your visit or do you wander around looking at the girls? I wander around constantly and the girls often ask me what I'm looking for!

19. Other than the food, do you use the other facilities in the clubs. E. g. Outside pool, massage facility, gym (artemis) games machines, table football (Oase). As above. I use all the facilities.

20. What is the best club you've been to for food? Sharks.

21. What is the best club for facilities? Artemis by a mile. I love using the gym between sessions.

22. If you had to rank the best clubs on LU / quality of service by the girls in the last 3 years (rather then just recently) which are your top three (location not relevant here I. E. Not the best in Hessen, NRW etc. Just your top three overall). I'm not really qualified to answer this as I don't go enough, but from my little experience I'd put Artemis first (I know a lot wouldn't but it's my view based on my experience. Best sessions I've had and never struggle for choice), then Sharks, Oase, World, Living Room, Palace and for me last would be Mainhattan.

23. What feature of FKK is most irritating to you and why? The clubs where you get drink token like Artemis. I much prefer the FOB system at Sharks / Palace.

24. Do you think the prices in the FKK clubs are too high or low (for time with the girls). I initially thought quite low. 50 for 30 minutes is not much. But then if I go to a good club in Spain or UAE where it might cost 200 euros per hour (or equivalent in UAE Dirhams) you don't pay anything for extras. So if you want an hour in say Artemis with CIM that's 180 euros. So in fact the prices are not that much cheaper in FKKs and of course the entry fees also add to the cost. So I think the clubs get a good deal but I think the fees for the girls are low.

25. How to you rate FKK clubs against other options (AO clubs, Swinging clubs, Brothels, Massage Parlours) for overall experience? I've never tried AO clubs. I wouldn't do bareback anywhere as I'm ver cautious about catching STDs. I actually prefer a really good tantric massage or nuru to the other options but I love the experience of being surrounded by so many naked women walking around and in summer to sunbathe with two really pretty girls naked either side of you is unbeatable.

26. Do you take your own condoms to FKK clubs? Yes Sagami. They are ultra thin and some girls don't like them as they think they are not safe. In fact they are extremely safe but I understand the worry so I don't make a big deal out of it if the girl says no. Not worth spoiling the chemistry over which condom!

27. What percentage of girls will DFK with you if you take a 1 hour session? Nearly 100% if its an hour or more and you make that clear at the outset.

28. Do you prefer or avoid dessous days? I like a mix. I love the nakedness but if I've done a couple of days of it I like the lingerie.

29. If you ran an FKK club which thing would you do differently from the clubs you currently attend? Change to the FOB system if I didn't have it for drinks. I'd make better websites than they all make as they are so often out of date (girls). I would have non public massage rooms (like Oase and instead of by the pool at Artemis). I'd ensure themed rooms (like at Sharks) and I'd be adamant about proper air con in all rooms to avoid the sauna like feeling sometimes in World, Sharks and Oase.

30. If FKK clubs were legal in other countries would you travel to go to them from where you live? Pretty much anywhere northern hemisphere but Europe / US best for me.

31. How many girls do you think you have sessioned with in FKK clubs since you started?

32. Who is your favourite girl of all time in an FKK club, at which club was it and is she still working. And why is she your favourite?

33. At what age do you think you might say you've had enough and stop doing this? I agree with the 80 suggestion by another punter. So long as I'm capable of getting it up I'll always want to enjoy this pastime.

34. Do you consider yourself to be a sex addict? Sadly yes. I mean sadly. If I could stop I would. For anyone who says they can stop easily. Hmmm. Stop for an entire year and I'd believe you. Anyone writing on this forum must be pretty close to being addicted!

There you go. I've answered my own questions at Kaveman's suggestion and I hope he, and others will have a go at answering these questions. Or even better. Adding new questions.

Cheers.

[Nille Copenhagen]

24. Do you think the prices in the FKK clubs are too high or low (for time with the girls).
I initially thought quite low. 50 for 30 minutes is not much. But then if I go to a good club in Spain or UAE where it might cost 200 euros per hour (or equivalent in UAE Dirhams)
you don't pay anything for extras. So if you want an hour in say Artemis with CIM that's 180 euros.
So in fact the prices are not that much cheaper in FKKs and of course the entry fees also add to the cost. So I think the clubs get a good deal but I think the fees for the girls are low.

Cheers.Correction.

Artemis 1 H with CIM that's 170€.

Why are you comparing German price with UAE it doesn't make sense. You can go to Polen or Thailand the prices are cheaper than Germany.

[Faceless78]

As I said, it's fun to think about those questions, give me really a good chance to look through my short FKK career. I don't consider myself as a senior in this world, nearly 3 year in total, but definitely monthly if that's the minimum line. Help it could add up to the database.

1. Do you have a job or are retired? Alright, different with most of people here, I haven't worked for almost one year (before of course), but will restart in few months, so, good time is near the end.

2. In an average week how often do you visit an FKK club? Before during work, 3-5 days per 1-2 months; this year, 2-4 days per 2-3 weeks.

3. Do you get bored with this at all? 99% of the time no, only when I have some really bad experience, then I'll stop for a while.

5. How much money do you spend on average in a visit to an FKK club? Average per day 200-300 on girls; meet favorites 400-800; boring day I'd rather go hotel and jerk off.

6. How much cash do you think you spend annually in FKK clubs? First 2 year I didn't spend too much, this first half year probably more 15000 E.

7. How many times do you pop in an FKK club? Average 2, 99% below 4 times. I come for relax, don't want to fuck like my last day on earth.

8. What do you mainly do in between sessions? Sleep, otherwise chat with random people I meet, and girls if it's my regular club.

9. Do you think there is an advantage with the girls of being known in the club? Yes I believe so, I don't like too many approaches and it helps to reduce the chance of being sharked.

11. What disadvantages (if any) are there in being a regular at a club? People talk, especially girls, and especially girls in clubs. Anything you do or say, good or bad, in few hours, all the girls know.

12. Do you have a routine when you go to an FKK or do you just take it as it comes each day? Shower. Drink & eat- check around & say Hi. Relax / sleep. Go to fuck. Repeat.

13. Do you have sex with non-sex workers outside of FKK clubs. Sure, but not too many comparing what I have in fkks.

14. Are you married or in a relationship? For this year, nop.

15. Does your partner know you attend these clubs? If not, are you "cheating" but have decided you'll risk it?! When I had one, I nearly didn't visit and she didn't know.

16. What is the most humorous thing you've ever seen in an FKK club / in the lounge / outside areas / or zimmer? One girl put a drunk man's penis into his own asshole.

17. What was your most memorable experience in an FKK club and why? Probably my first time. Boring answer but yes I can still remember how my body was trembling when I saw those beautiful naked girls!

18. Do you sit in one place in the club for most of your visit or do you wander around looking at the girls? Not really, but in certain areas yes.

19. Other than the food, do you use the other facilities in the clubs. E. g. Outside pool, massage facility, gym (artemis) games machines, table football (Oase). Swimming pool sometimes, and I like the gardens.

20. What is the best club you've been to for food? LR, Sharks.

21. What is the best club for facilities? Oase.

22. If you had to rank the best clubs on LU / quality of service by the girls in the last 3 years. Oase, sharks, samya.

23. What feature of FKK is most irritating to you and why? I need to pay! Ok it's when I need to wait for a certain girl, it's really really annoying.

24. Do you think the prices in the FKK clubs are too high or low (for time with the girls). It's cheap, but I won't pay 50 for DFK or 100 for anal.

25. How to you rate FKK clubs against other options (AO clubs, Swinging clubs, Brothels, Massage Parlours) for overall experience? I do escorts when I don't visit fkks, higher rate and better service in general, and some real angles if I'm lucky. But FKK wins overall.

26. Do you take your own condoms to FKK clubs? No.

27. What percentage of girls will DFK with you if you take a 1 hour session? 80%? Not sure. I do take girls without DFK for other pleasures, but my regular girls must kiss good.

28. Do you prefer or avoid dessous days? Oh no, I'll intentionally visit a dessous day! I enjoy more if girls have something on during sessions LOL.

And.

29. If you ran an FKK club which thing would you do differently from the clubs you currently attend? As a boss, I'll personally 'check' every new girl, and "double check" if it's necessary LOL.

30. If FKK clubs were legal in other countries would you travel to go to them from where you live? Depends on the distance, but I think so.

31. How many girls do you think you have sessioned with in FKK clubs since you started? Not too much, I repeat same girls heavily.

32. Who is your favourite girl of all time in an FKK club, at which club was it and is she still working. And why is she your favourite? I'd rather not to mention here, but glad to share in private.

33. At what age do you think you might say you've had enough and stop doing this? So far so good, never thought about this question.

34. Do you consider yourself to be a sex addict? Man really no need to ask this one, I mean, really.

[Faceless78]

Probably one more question:

35. Where did you learn about FKKs for the first time? I accidentally read someone talking about his experience of LR on one big mixed forum. Then in 5 minutes I brought the earliest train ticket for Dusseldorf in that weekends.

I deeply thank this unknown hero, and may his penis never goes down!

[Banana Boi]

4. Do you take breaks from mongering? Never. No matter where I am I hobby.

8. What do you mainly do in between sessions? Always on the prowl for my next girl or driving to my next club.

9. Do you think there is an advantage with the girls of being known in the club. Only if you have a good reputation.

17. What was your most memorable experience in an FKK club and why? My virgin visit to Oase. I couldn't believe all the beautiful women you could have for 50 euro.

19. Other than the food, do you use the other facilities in the clubs. Nope.

20. What is the best club you've been to for food? PSR, Magnum, Sixsens.

22. If you had to rank the best clubs on LU / quality of service by the girls in the last 3 years (rather then just recently). GT entire year of 2012. Oase end 2011 and early 2012. World end 2011. PHG in March, 2012.

24. Do you think the prices in the FKK clubs are too high or low (for time with the girls). Best bargain in any Westernized nation by a landslide.

27. What percentage of girls will DFK with you if you take a 1 hour session? Depends on the club but I would say 3/4 of my sessions have included DFK. 30 min vs. 1 HR makes no difference in NRW. The 1 hour scam seems to be a FRA phenomena.

29. If you ran an FKK club which thing would you do differently from the clubs you currently attend? Hot girls with good service work for free, based on customer feedback forms. Food all day. Skip the facade that guys are there for Wellness. Not new but definitely staggered entry fees and VIP discount cards for frequent guests. Would also be surfing the board and offering free entry fees to ISG members.

30. If FKK clubs were legal in other countries would you travel to go to them from where you live? Depends where but, more importantly, how hot the girls are.

32. Who is your favourite girl of all time in an FKK club, at which club was it and is she still working. I'll answer this a bit differently. The girl who made my jaw drop the most when I first saw her was German Leonie at GT.

35. Where did you learn about FKKs for the first time? My friends started going in 2007 and kept insisting I go. Stupid me didn't listen soon enough.

[FiddyCent]

1. Do you have a job or are retired? A: Job

2. In an average week how often do you visit an FKK club? A: 0.13%

3. Do you get bored with this at all? Seeing beautiful young naked girls is always nice but I find that if I've had 3 or more days in succession in any type of brothel / bordello / FKK / Spanish puticlubs etc I've had enough and want to get back to "real" life. When do you start to feel you want a break from it? A: Never

4. Do you take breaks from mongering? If so, how often? A: Never

5. How much money do you spend on average in a visit to an FKK club? A: I don't keep track

6. How much cash do you think you spend annually in FKK clubs? A: I don't keep track

7. How many times do you pop in an FKK club? I ask this as I now appreciate as I've got older (I'm 51) that two in any 5 or 6 hours is the max for me and often I'm done after one. Result is long sessions as I don't want my trips into FKKs to be over inside 90 minutes of arriving! A: 4 times max per day.

8. What do you mainly do in between sessions? (Sleep / work / watch the fun / talk to girls / talk to guys? A: sleep, watch the fun, talk to girls, and you forgot to add eat and drink.

9. Do you think there is an advantage with the girls of being known in the club (other than not being hounded / sharked / asked if it's your first time here! A: Huh?

10. If yes to (9) what are the advantages? A: Huh?

11. What disadvantages (if any) are there in being a regular at a club? A: I dunno.

12. Do you have a routine when you go to an FKK or do you just take it as it comes each day? A: I usually scope out the field first, then grab a quiet spot while I enjoy a drink.

13. Do you have sex with non-sex workers outside of FKK clubs. A: Yes.

14. Are you married or in a relationship? A: No and no.

15. Does your partner know you attend these clubs? If not, are you "cheating" but have decided you'll risk it?! A: N/A.

16. What is the most humorous thing you've ever seen in an FKK club / in the lounge / outside areas / or zimmer? A: Guy dancing naked with a couple of girls beside the pool.

17. What was your most memorable experience in an FKK club and why? A: Threesome with lots of dirty talk.

18. Do you sit in one place in the club for most of your visit or do you wander around looking at the girls? A: Both.

19. Other than the food, do you use the other facilities in the clubs. E. g. Outside pool, massage facility, gym (artemis) games machines, table football (Oase). A: Hot tub, gym (Artemis), sauna.

20. What is the best club you've been to for food? A: FKK Palace

21. What is the best club for facilities? A: FKK Sharks

22. If you had to rank the best clubs on LU / quality of service by the girls in the last 3 years (rather then just recently) which are your top three (location not relevant here I. E. Not the best in Hessen, NRW etc. Just your top three overall). A: Mainhatten, Sharks, Oase.

23. What feature of FKK is most irritating to you and why? A: Lousy, repetitive music.

24. Do you think the prices in the FKK clubs are too high or low (for time with the girls). A: No.

25. How to you rate FKK clubs against other options (AO clubs, Swinging clubs, Brothels, Massage Parlours) for overall experience? A: You cannot compare apples and oranges.

26. Do you take your own condoms to FKK clubs? A: No.

27. What percentage of girls will DFK with you if you take a 1 hour session? A: 100%, and with girls that do half hour sessions, 95%.

28. Do you prefer or avoid dessous days? A: Indifferent. I will see her naked soon enough, if she is the right girl.

29. If you ran an FKK club which thing would you do differently from the clubs you currently attend? A: Build an orgy room. Flat rate entry rate for 1 hour, with unlimited fucking!

30. If FKK clubs were legal in other countries would you travel to go to them from where you live? A: There are FKKs in other countries already. The answer is yes.

31. How many girls do you think you have sessioned with in FKK clubs since you started? A : Lost count.

32. Who is your favourite girl of all time in an FKK club, at which club was it and is she still working. And why is she your favourite? A: Nina, Artemis. Good service, of course. Sorry, she recently retired.

33. At what age do you think you might say you've had enough and stop doing this? A: 102.

34. Do you consider yourself to be a sex addict? A: No

That's more than enough.

Some of you will think that it would have been quicker to go to a zimmer and enjoy a session that answer that lot! Apologies.

As stated at the outset. This is only a list of questions that it would be really interesting to me, and I think to others, to have answers to from some experienced forum members. Your answers would make very intriguing reading for many of us so I hope you'll consider it worthy of 10 minutes to answer.

Thanks in anticipation!Hi PFI, I hope this answers some of your questions.

FiddyCent.

[Frozty]

1. Do you have a job or are retired? I work two or three days a week.

2. In an average week how often do you visit an FKK club? 8 to 10 trips a year. 1 to 3 days at a time.

5. How much money do you spend on average in a visit to an FKK club? Approx. €500 per day.

8. What do you mainly do in between sessions? (Sleep / work / watch the fun / talk to girls / talk to guys? Read.

9, 10 and 11. I find it helpful to be recognised. I don't get mucked around by the girls at Artemis, where I have visited most often.

15. Does your partner know you attend these clubs? If not, are you "cheating" but have decided you'll risk it?! No. My conscience is clear.

20. What is the best club you've been to for food? Sakura.

21. What is the best club for facilities? Sharks garden in the summer. Sakura has excellent facilities.

22. If you had to rank the best clubs on LU / quality of service by the girls in the last 3 years (rather then just recently) which are your top three (location not relevant here I. E. Not the best in Hessen, NRW etc. Just your top three overall). Sharks, Artemis and Paradise Stuttgart are my favourite, in no particular order.

23. What feature of FKK is most irritating to you and why? When a girl gives poor service.

24. Do you think the prices in the FKK clubs are too high or low (for time with the girls). It's good value.

25. How to you rate FKK clubs against other options (AO clubs, Swinging clubs, Brothels, Massage Parlours) for overall experience? I prefer FKK. My only other experience is with escorts and Amsterdam RLD, but I no longer use them. I have no interest in the others.

28. Do you prefer or avoid dessous days? Avoid.

32. Who is your favourite girl of all time in an FKK club, at which club was it and is she still working. And why is she your favourite? Nina at Artemis. Now retired.

33. At what age do you think you might say you've had enough and stop doing this? When I'm dead.

34. Do you consider yourself to be a sex addict? No.

[Optimist]

32. Frozty and PayforIt. Of course Nina really was one of the all time best workers I came across, mainly in her long pre Artemis career. She had the talk, the passion, and the looks for me. Only two workers could beat her for me, but I suspect on overall scores for most customers she would be the top.

[UShobbyist]

What he is trying to ask is are you cheating!Thank you for explain. I guess that the cheaters won't post anything on this review board. LOL.

[Hessen Bub]

32. Frozty and PayforIt. Of course Nina really was one of the all time best workers I came across, mainly in her long pre Artemis career. She had the talk, the passion, and the looks for me. Only two workers could beat her for me, but I suspect on overall scores for most customers she would be the top.Ex World Andrea from Cz? Yeah, she was cute at World and okay at Finca and Artemis.

HB.

[Member #4581]

If you can look into the eyes of your spouse and lie, how difficult is to type a sentence anonymously on a board where no one knows you?!


Thank you for explain. I guess that the cheaters won't post anything on this review board. LOL.

[UShobbyist]

Some guys seem to spend so much time in FKK clubs that I rather doubt they have the time or inclination to see non-working girls outside.That is probably true for some German locals but definitely not true for those punters who live in other countries where prostitution is illegal.

[UShobbyist]

If you can look into the eyes of your spouse and lie, how difficult is to type a sentence anonymously on a board where no one knows you?!When the cheater types in anything on the laptop, his wife might sneak in and look over his shoulders. LOL.

[Member #4581]

If I owned an FKK - and I say this w / o knowing any details of their financials so I could be totally wrong - I would not charge the girls an entry fee to come in. I would sell them Their meals, because I Am not obligated to provide free food. I would charge them 5 bucks each time they go to the room for use of the facilities, including blankets, towels, wash room, etc.

For the busy girls, the total economics may be the same or perhaps even worse, but I see a bunch of girls who barely make enough in a day to cover their entry fee, which is terrible I think. For the club, margins may decline, I don't know, but I am assuming they will attract more girls they are not at the moment because the entry fee is off putting, and in the long run their total unit volumes may increase which makes up for lost revenue from not charging entry fee to the girls.

Also I would introduce volume discounts for men as someone suggested to encourage loyalty, and also change the hourly rate for the 2nd hour to 40 per half, and beyond 2 hours to 35 per half. I realize the nrw clubs have similar discounts for longer sessions and I think that makes sense. I also think CIM should be 25. These suggestions are for the larger Hessen clubs only.

Finally, I would introduce unisex shower rooms. It would be fun to take a shower with your favorite girl, get started there and go to the room together.

[Sirioja]

If I owned an FKK - and I say this w / o knowing any details of their financials so I could be totally wrong - I would not charge the girls an entry fee to come in. I would sell them Their meals, because I Am not obligated to provide free food. I would charge them 5 bucks each time they go to the room for use of the facilities, including blankets, towels, wash room, etc.

For the busy girls, the total economics may be the same or perhaps even worse, but I see a bunch of girls who barely make enough in a day to cover their entry fee, which is terrible I think. For the club, margins may decline, I don't know, but I am assuming they will attract more girls they are not at the moment because the entry fee is off putting, and in the long run their total unit volumes may increase which makes up for lost revenue from not charging entry fee to the girls.

Also I would introduce volume discounts for men as someone suggested to encourage loyalty, and also change the hourly rate for the 2nd hour to 40 per half, and beyond 2 hours to 35 per half. I realize the nrw clubs have similar discounts for longer sessions and I think that makes sense. I also think CIM should be 25. These suggestions are for the larger Hessen clubs only.

Finally, I would introduce unisex shower rooms. It would be fun to take a shower with your favorite girl, get started there and go to the room together.Go to FKK Atlanta to have girls taking shower with you. Also before at Haus Pantera, I don't know if still now at Aca Gold?

Before at GT Bruggen and LR, 1st 30 minutes were 50 and after 25 for each 30 minutes, but finished, now 50 each 30 minutes, only Samya have 2nd 30 minutes for 25 . At Sharks, GT, YY, some rooms with shower, so you can play under shower with your girl, some rooms have also jacuzzi at Samya, Prestige Neunkirchen.

[KaveMan]

If you can look into the eyes of your spouse and lie, how difficult is to type a sentence anonymously on a board where no one knows you?!The fact that mongers remain married is absurd bordering on bizarre.

Most of the debates here rage about prices, hours, travel costs, etc. All these would be irrelevant if you were not supporting another adult woman, no?

Seems like all could enjoy threesomes with all extras all the time without cost of a wife?

Only reason I can see is if you would lose all your assets or your wife (or her family) supports you, your job or your home, etc.

Still seems crazy.

Life is too short; make changes and enjoy!

[PayForIt]

Correction.

Artemis 1 H with CIM that's 170.

Why are you comparing German price with UAE it doesn't make sense. You can go to Polen or Thailand the prices are cheaper than Germany.Thanks Nille see. You are quite right. It's 50 for the extra rather than the 60 for the 30 minutes. I don't quite understand why that is but it is. I compared prices with other places you can go for this reason: a session with girls in FKK on the face of it looks very cheap -nowhere near as cheap as Thailand (as you rightly say) but the point I was making is that by the time you add on entrance and money for extra services the time in the room for say 1 hour is actually no cheaper in an FKK than in most other type so clubs in other countries.

[Frozty]

Thanks Nille see. You are quite right. It's 50 for the extra rather than the 60 for the 30 minutes. I don't quite understand why that is but it is. I compared prices with other places you can go for this reason: a session with girls in FKK on the face of it looks very cheap -nowhere near as cheap as Thailand (as you rightly say) but the point I was making is that by the time you add on entrance and money for extra services the time in the room for say 1 hour is actually no cheaper in an FKK than in most other type so clubs in other countries.I compare the cost to other professional services that I buy. Compared with my lawyer (€1,050 / HR) and my accountant (€700 / HR) the girls are a bargain! Sadly, I seem to spend more time with my lawyer.

[PayForIt]

Just a quick note of thanks to all you guys who took time out to answer lots of the questions. I'm glad some found it fun and I hope it didn't irritate others.

I personally found the information interesting. Just seeing how different guys approach things is of interest. Sounds like Nina was a bit of a star.

Noticeable that most guys in the answers are single / don't have partners.

Several guys have contacted me confidentially (so no names) to say privately they would give this up tomorrow if they found a partner they liked.

Interesting that a lot of guys do NOT think they are addicted and could give this up easily.

Finally, if owners of any of the FKK clubs ever view these forums. And if you ran such a business you would crazy not to. Some of the answers on what guys would change should be taken note of. Free entry for girls / work for free, an orgy room / themed rooms and better food.

On the best clubs. Sakura comes out well. Never been so given that it's been mentioned several times. Will give it shot.

Many thanks guys.

Feel free to keep the answers coming if you feel so inclined or if you haven't done so previously.

[Member #4581]

In my view, it is absurd to think that we could generalize any of these issues. If you take ten people here, they could each have a different situation. It would be presumptuous to tell them what to do.

And I don't think most of the debates here are about prices, costs, etc. People discuss for the most part which girls provide the best services, who are the attractive ones, etc. Anyway, that's my impression.

I was just responding some one's suggestion that a person cheating on his spouse would not admit to such a thing here.


The fact that mongers remain married is absurd bordering on bizarre.

Most of the debates here rage about prices, hours, travel costs, etc. All these would be irrelevant if you were not supporting another adult woman, no?

[Craiova]

Go to FKK Atlanta to have girls taking shower with you.

At Sharks, GT, YY, some rooms with shower, so you can play under shower with your girl, some rooms have also jacuzzi at Samya, Prestige Neunkirchen.Yep FKK Atlanta has many rooms with shower. Untill spring 2012 I used the room showers quite often there. Sometimes I used it alone and sometimes together with my girls. Also some favs of me used the room showers cleaning themselves after our session. Unfortunately Atlanta hasn't anymore the right girls for haveing fun. And this is same with FKK Rom 20 km east of Darmstadt. Before becomming a FKK club in 2008 it used to be a hotel. Therefore every room at FKK Rom has its own additional bathroom. Nice hardware but same like Atlanta no top class girls anymore.

Have I missed something at carp pond? I know only the VIP rooms with shower. I don't know any regular room at Sharks with shower.

Yep and the rooms with jacuzzi at Samya are a very good idea.

[Banana Boi]

Have had fun with girls in showers in rooms at PSR, Sixsens, and GT. Have also had fun with girls in public showers at Mondial and Samya.

[Sirioja]

Yep FKK Atlanta has many rooms with shower. Untill spring 2012 I used the room showers quite often there. Sometimes I used it alone and sometimes together with my girls. Also some favs of me used the room showers cleaning themselves after our session. Unfortunately Atlanta hasn't anymore the right girls for haveing fun. And this is same with FKK Rom 20 km east of Darmstadt. Before becomming a FKK club in 2008 it used to be a hotel. Therefore every room at FKK Rom has its own additional bathroom. Nice hardware but same like Atlanta no top class girls anymore.

Have I missed something at carp pond? I know only the VIP rooms with shower. I don't know any regular room at Sharks with shower.

Yep and the rooms with jacuzzi at Samya are a very good idea.At Atlanta, some girls take shower at same place than men, same at GT.

At Sharks, Vip room with bathroom and Jacuzzi, at Samya, 2 rooms with jacuzzi, to foreplay like fish.

[Sirioja]

Sakura is the best restaurant for me, but not for casting, 3 visits in 2 years, 0 girl. 1st time, I went after to Paradise to finish my Saturday night and finally found, after nearly 4 hours turning around, blond tattooed Anna. De for a high level room, really nice girl.

[PussyLiccker]

Yep FKK Atlanta has many rooms with shower. Untill spring 2012 I used the room showers quite often there. Sometimes I used it alone and sometimes together with my girls. Also some favs of me used the room showers cleaning themselves after our session. Unfortunately Atlanta hasn't anymore the right girls for haveing fun. And this is same with FKK Rom 20 km east of Darmstadt. Before becomming a FKK club in 2008 it used to be a hotel. Therefore every room at FKK Rom has its own additional bathroom. Nice hardware but same like Atlanta no top class girls anymore.

Have I missed something at carp pond? I know only the VIP rooms with shower. I don't know any regular room at Sharks with shower.

Yep and the rooms with jacuzzi at Samya are a very good idea.I've read that Carolina Pol who did a short stint at Sharks came from Atlanta. She did 2 months there. Curious what other's maybe in the smaller clubs in Hessen. NRW small clubs are 20-30 Euros so not bad to check several clubs to see how they are like. Curious if there will some hidden gems in the small Hessen clubs.

[PussyLiccker]

I was talking to a girl that was pretty tired in the night. She told me she lives in the club, and since club starts up at certain time, she has to get up at the opening time, and stick around until closing. Reason why this is because she sleeps in the room where people have sessions, and when club opens, it cannot be occupied. Kind of unfortunate. When I saw her in the club, I thought about her being their all day...

I commonly hear from Ro girls that they need to take leave after 3 months. That they will go crazy if they stick around. Understandable since they work most of their days, and don't do much of anything else.

Not easy work.

[Frozty]

On the best clubs. Sakura comes out well. Never been so given that it's been mentioned several times. Will give it shot.I would caution you on your conclusion about Sakura. The food and facilities are really good (maybe that is what you are referring to) but the lineup is well below average.

[Frozty]

The fact that mongers remain married is absurd bordering on bizarre.

Most of the debates here rage about prices, hours, travel costs, etc. All these would be irrelevant if you were not supporting another adult woman, no?

Seems like all could enjoy threesomes with all extras all the time without cost of a wife?

Only reason I can see is if you would lose all your assets or your wife (or her family) supports you, your job or your home, etc.

Still seems crazy.

Life is too short; make changes and enjoy!I'm not sure I understand you, but I very much like being married. Particularly to my wife! Why should I make changes? I realise that I am being dishonest with her, and risking the relationship, but I know the reasons I do this hobby. If I had to choose, I would choose my wife with no hesitation.

I don't spend enough on the hobby for the money to be very relevant, and I have no wish to increase the amount of time that I hobby.

As PayForIt says, people have different reasons and different situations. In no particular order, I enjoy the travel, the naked girls, the time for myself. The sex is not the most important thing for me in the clubs, although I appreciate that my hobby satisfies my wish for different sexual experiences, without any risk of creating commitments with other women. My family is 95% of my life; my hobby is 5%.

You signed off by saying "make changes". I don't want to!

[Member #4581]

I did nt mean to say I wanted rooms with showers. That would be useful too and I have used them in Spain. However, fitting each room with a shower would require massive modification and a huge investment to an existing club. I just made the suggestion that a club owner could just let an existing club to make all public shower facilities unisex. Does not require a lot of investment or modification. And still fun. Also, we can see how much the girls really clean up after each session.

[Faceless78]

I was talking to a girl that was pretty tired in the night. She told me she lives in the club, and since club starts up at certain time, she has to get up at the opening time, and stick around until closing. Reason why this is because she sleeps in the room where people have sessions, and when club opens, it cannot be occupied. Kind of unfortunate. When I saw her in the club, I thought about her being their all day...

I commonly hear from Ro girls that they need to take leave after 3 months. That they will go crazy if they stick around. Understandable since they work most of their days, and don't do much of anything else.

Not easy work.I've heard many of these who live in clubs. They have to go to hotel and stay alone for several day in 2-3 weeks, because "there are always lots of people around", which could drive her crazy. And usually these girls look really tired or even sick, and beg for sex all day long. I feel sorry for them but I just have no interests. So when I heard some girls decided to spend several hundreds more and move out, I'm really happy for them.

In samya, some girls have to sleep on the sauna chairs underground, usually the new comers. You can see them "fight" for the place in the room at the end of the day.

And also since someone talked about the 2 rooms with jacuzzi in samya, my suggestion is better not to use the bigger one, many girls reported to have skin issue after shower in that one. I usually take th smaller one I if want to have some play in water.

[Shark16]

The humidity in the rooms at Atlanta / Atlantik was awful (if not unbearable) once someone used the showers. Cannot recommend. If showers / Jacuzzi is placed in a private room, you need to have a big room with good ventilation, or keep the showers / Jacuzzi in a separate bathroom (like in a hotel) like you have in many of the clubs / brothels in Spain. A shower cabinet is not adequate.

Public shower with a girl is a different thing. I have done this many times at the Frankfurt Clubs (Oase/World/Palace). It can be lots of fun.

[Delta Indigo]

The fact that mongers remain married is absurd bordering on bizarre.

Most of the debates here rage about prices, hours, travel costs, etc. All these would be irrelevant if you were not supporting another adult woman, no?

Seems like all could enjoy threesomes with all extras all the time without cost of a wife?

Only reason I can see is if you would lose all your assets or your wife (or her family) supports you, your job or your home, etc.

Still seems crazy.

Life is too short; make changes and enjoy!Do you mean ethically or practically. When I started mongering I was married for 7 years. I got along very well with my wife and she was very much in love with me. I hadn't been with many girls before her and I was not sexually satisfied with her. She was very attractive but was very Catholic and conservative. So I started straying, the first time was an accident I walked into what I thought was a strip club in Prague but it was a brothel. I also used to fantasize about other girls because my wife was not giving me what I needed. We grew apart and got divorced but she never found out.

Practically I used to live in London so I could get away on weekends to European destinations. I had a very high city income and she also worked so I could monger as much as I do now being single.

Ethically, I probably should not have married her so young. If I hadn't she would have been de ported and I felt sorry for her. I would not do it again. But marriage is an artificial construct that has evolved in tribal societies for socio-political reasons. Today society pressures you to fit in and confirm.

I don't want the big house and two cars and to work like mad for a woman who won't satisfy me sexually. I don't think monogamy is natural for males and marriage is a meaningless concept.

Ask yourself why women are eager to get married, let me give you a hint it is not love, they want security and they have the power to blackmail you for life. So marriage is such a farce that son men, including me once, were silly enough to be duped into.

A wife is just a very expensive working girl. Mine wasn't so bad, she let me go at no cost.

So why would you blame anyone for cheating?

[The Cane]

I don't want the big house and two cars and to work like mad for a woman who won't satisfy me sexually. I don't think monogamy is natural for males. Ask yourself why women are eager to get married. Let me give you a hint it is not love. They want security and they have the power to blackmail you for life. So marriage is such a farce that some men were silly enough to be duped into it. A wife is just a very expensive working girl.Hallelujah amen! I could not have said it better myself! If not marrying is a societal "wrong", then I don't want to be right! And I'm glad I've found many like-minded souls right here who see it as I do. Yes, the power of the pussy casts spells over us too, but we strive to maintain self-control and not allow the impact of that to be to our detriment.

[PussyLiccker]

I've heard many of these who live in clubs. They have to go to hotel and stay alone for several day in 2-3 weeks, because "there are always lots of people around", which could drive her crazy. And usually these girls look really tired or even sick, and beg for sex all day long. I feel sorry for them but I just have no interests. So when I heard some girls decided to spend several hundreds more and move out, I'm really happy for them.

In samya, some girls have to sleep on the sauna chairs underground, usually the new comers. You can see them "fight" for the place in the room at the end of the day.

And also since someone talked about the 2 rooms with jacuzzi in samya, my suggestion is better not to use the bigger one, many girls reported to have skin issue after shower in that one. I usually take th smaller one I if want to have some play in water.My example was a particular club, not with all clubs. I recall somebody said same about GT, but dunno the details to that. I've met girls that tell me they stay in hotels nearby. This is for girls that like to do partial month and take the rest off so apartment is not an option. Germans that tell me they live in hotels. Makes sense since they usually do part time and prefer to work distance to their local town. I've met a German girl at two different clubs in my tour, and she was from Hamburg. She told me not much business there is the reason she works away, but I've also heard others say they don't want to run into locals. As far as other clubs, I believe the rule is if they live at the club, they will have to work certain hours, and work a shift, particularly a long one I presume. This is if there is a separate dormitory for girls. For those girls that show up later on the evening, they probably live outside the club. Of course this depends on the girl's financial situation. They can get an apartment with other girls. I've met Ro girls that has an apartment, and heard say that another club they tried out was too far from their apartment and wasn't worth the trip cost to continue working their. I guess not enough additonal money made at the other club to justify the cost of continuous work there. I presume fresh off the boat girls will have to start off living in the club.

It's more likely girls will get sick if they don't get enough rest as they are nude or close to it with the temperature getting low enough since lots of girls are slim to thin with not much insulation.

[LRPunter]

I'm getting ready to go on my trip through the country and have spent a lot of time reading up on your reviews. I've found a number of places I want to try and will post reports when I get back. Before I go, though, I have two huge questions:

How often do you get OWO (BBBJ)? I was amazed at how many places offer it, especially with CIM. I never thought about it before (for safety reasons), and now I really want to try it. The thing is, I need to know:

Have you ever had a problem with STDs from BBBJs? I've done a lot of research, and it seems like the chances of catching something incurable from a BBBJ is pretty low, but I wanted to get some testimonies to back that up. Searches across the boards have shown a mix. One guy claiming to have gone 10 years and thousands of blowjobs without any problem and another catching something after three months. I know there's always a risk, but I'm trying to weigh my options. If these places are as wild as they claim (and you all report), it might be worth it.

In case you're interested, here are two great links I found:

http://www.stdriskcalculator.com/index.php/calculator

https://herpesopportunity.com/downlo...re-handout.pdf

Thanks in advance. I know it's hard to talk about, but I'd like to be able to make a good decision here.

[Eszpresszo]

The fact that mongers remain married is absurd bordering on bizarre.

Most of the debates here rage about prices, hours, travel costs, etc. All these would be irrelevant if you were not supporting another adult woman, no?

Seems like all could enjoy threesomes with all extras all the time without cost of a wife?

Only reason I can see is if you would lose all your assets or your wife (or her family) supports you, your job or your home, etc.

Still seems crazy.

Life is too short; make changes and enjoy!What if you don't want to make changes? What if you are still happily married? You find the idea "absurd bordering on bizarre" because you probably have never been happily married. Its over your head. No, not all men live to pay working girls for sex. They don't work 40 hours a week just to make money for threesomes.

But, yes you can value your family life and still want to get some fresh, strange pussy on the side. Mongering is the best way to do that as it requires no commitment and it is well facilitated for the customer. Mistresses and casual affairs require time, attention and there are risks of discovery. Prostitutes end their relationship with you when the time you paid for is up. Believe me, plenty of married men in Europe do it. While you wondering why mongers stayed married did you ever wonder why there is so much prostitution in Europe? It isn't because ordinary European girls don't put out. A single guy should be able to get laid in Europe easily without resorting to mongering. Prostitution very much caters to married men everywhere. Its been that way since Ancient Rome, when marriages were about status, influence and economics, not about sex. And today, its a reality of European married life. I've even had French women admit to me that French men routinely fuck around on their wives, but as one said "What can you do? Get a divorce. We don't like it, but we accept it". And you can believe that the majority of the men you meet in European brothels are married. Didn't you notice how often "discretion" is brought up in reference to brothels? Guys are doing this on the sly and brothels in Germany, at least, try to facilitate your privacy, for that reason.

[Hessen Bub]

In most clubs "sleeping in the club" doesn't mean sleeping in the working rooms. This may be the case in a few clubs, but not at Oase, World, Mainhattan, Palace or Sharks. At Sharks this happens if there's no free beds in the regular sleeping area.

Still living in the club is tough, too many girls in a room working different shifts and not caring about others.

HB.

[UShobbyist]

If I owned an FKK - and I say this w / o knowing any details of their financials so I could be totally wrong - I would not charge the girls an entry fee to come in. I would sell them Their meals, because I Am not obligated to provide free food. I would charge them 5 bucks each time they go to the room for use of the facilities, including blankets, towels, wash room, etc.

For the busy girls, the total economics may be the same or perhaps even worse, but I see a bunch of girls who barely make enough in a day to cover their entry fee, which is terrible I think. For the club, margins may decline, I don't know, but I am assuming they will attract more girls they are not at the moment because the entry fee is off putting, and in the long run their total unit volumes may increase which makes up for lost revenue from not charging entry fee to the girls.

Also I would introduce volume discounts for men as someone suggested to encourage loyalty, and also change the hourly rate for the 2nd hour to 40 per half, and beyond 2 hours to 35 per half. I realize the nrw clubs have similar discounts for longer sessions and I think that makes sense. I also think CIM should be 25. These suggestions are for the larger Hessen clubs only.

Finally, I would introduce unisex shower rooms. It would be fun to take a shower with your favorite girl, get started there and go to the room together.(1) I guess that the managers of FKK clubs tried the no entry fee for the girls policy before. When they found out that they could make more money if they charged the entry fee for the girls; they decided to do so.

(2) In the spring of this year, I also recommended that the CIM should be 25 in FKK World in order to pull FKK World out of recession. At that time, the new law was still up in the air. After December 31st 2015, this type of services will become unicorns in all the FKK clubs. There is no point to make any changes now.

(3) I also think that the unisex shower room is a good idea. However, I have the impression that many girls in FKK Oase might quit their jobs because of this. The girls of FKK Oase are different from the girls of other clubs. They just want to use the towels to cover their bodies whenever they have a chance. LOL.

[Faceless78]

In most clubs "sleeping in the club" doesn't mean sleeping in the working rooms. This may be the case in a few clubs, but not at Oase, World, Mainhattan, Palace or Sharks. At Sharks this happens if there's no free beds in the regular sleeping area.

Still living in the club is tough, too many girls in a room working different shifts and not caring about others.

HB.I'm pretty sure PL was talking about "sleeping in working rooms". Girls need to get up early in the morning (in some cases girls have to pay for getting up late) and sleep late since they have to wait for the rooms to be learned. During weekends, they may only sleep for 3-5 hours and then stay up for 12-15 hours' tough work. But yes it's more common in small clubs where there's usually one shift.

If "sleeping in the rooms" means sleeping in dormitories like in Oase, actually it's not that bad. Once a girl showed me the pic, I found it's similar to college rooms.

[Hessen Bub]

So in which clubs do the girls sleep in the working rooms?

I've seen a few pics of different dormatories, Oase's are not the best.

HB.

[UShobbyist]

If "sleeping in the rooms" means sleeping in dormitories like in Oase, actually it's not that bad. Once a girl showed me the pic, I found it's similar to college rooms.Which college are you talking about? LOL.

[Faceless78]

So in which clubs do the girls sleep in the working rooms?

I've seen a few pics of different dormatories, Oase's are not the best.

HB.I can name you samya and aca, as far as I know now.

Yes oase is probably not the best but it's the only one I've seen. And the rooms are ok for me. So I'm happy to know there are some better ones.

[Faceless78]

Which college are you talking about? LOL.Hah, big college of Oase. probably more like the cheap hostel? I can sleep in that kind of rooms, no problem for me, if all the girls are there too LOL.

[Delta Indigo]

Hallelujah amen! I could not have said it better myself! If not marrying is a societal "wrong", then I don't want to be right! And I'm glad I've found many like-minded souls right here who see it as I do. Yes, the power of the pussy casts spells over us too, but we strive to maintain self-control and not allow the impact of that to be to our detriment.My ex did not give me a hard time but got a lot out of me and sucked in sex. But we totally are in agreement about marriage and I am also an anal lover, something my ex did not want to do. I have actually learned a lot by reading your posts about women. In your posts about American women, you mentioned that if you have to wait and hope for a girl to deliver he goodies she never will, she will just demand the highest price possible until she gives you a little. I totally agree.

[Frozty]

My ex did not give me a hard time but got a lot out of me and sucked in sex. But we totally are in agreement about marriage and I am also an anal lover, something my ex did not want to do. I have actually learned a lot by reading your posts about women. In your posts about American women, you mentioned that if you have to wait and hope for a girl to deliver he goodies she never will, she will just demand the highest price possible until she gives you a little. I totally agree.I don't get this assumption that there is only one right option for all. Or that all women are the same (or men for that matter). Perhaps that is not what you and Delta Indigo are saying. Maybe I have been very fortunate, but there are good girls around, and marriage can be a great lifestyle choice. I fully accept that it is not for everyone, but I don't think it is right to be so cynical about it. I'm sure a bad marriage can make it difficult not to be, as it's a shitty situation.

Men and women both have selfish motives for marriage, as well as the unselfish aspects. I am sure that my wife enjoys the financial security (when we started out it was not certain that I would be the main income provider), but I enjoy being looked after. For many other things we are a team.

Marriage and sex are separate things for me. Marriage contributes to my sexual satisfaction, but that is not it's main purpose. The German FKK scene tops up the sex, including activities that my wife would not want to do, and perhaps things that I would not want her to do!

I guess my point is that you can't be so certain about marriage being a bad idea. Same as I can't say for certain that it is a good plan. Each to their own.

We seem to agree that FKK is a good thing, so we at least have that in common!

[Nille Copenhagen]

Just a quick note of thanks to all you guys who took time out to answer lots of the questions. I'm glad some found it fun and I hope it didn't irritate others.

I personally found the information interesting. Just seeing how different guys approach things is of interest. Sounds like Nina was a bit of a star.

Noticeable that most guys in the answers are single / don't have partners.

Several guys have contacted me confidentially (so no names) to say privately they would give this up tomorrow if they found a partner they liked.

Interesting that a lot of guys do NOT think they are addicted and could give this up easily.

Finally, if owners of any of the FKK clubs ever view these forums. And if you ran such a business you would crazy not to. Some of the answers on what guys would change should be taken note of. Free entry for girls / work for free, an orgy room / themed rooms and better food.

On the best clubs. Sakura comes out well. Never been so given that it's been mentioned several times. Will give it shot.

Many thanks guys.

Feel free to keep the answers coming if you feel so inclined or if you haven't done so previously.Believe me the clubs are also reading this forum and other forums.

[PayForIt]

I don't get this assumption that there is only one right option for all. Or that all women are the same (or men for that matter). Perhaps that is not what you and Delta Indigo are saying. Maybe I have been very fortunate, but there are good girls around, and marriage can be a great lifestyle choice. I fully accept that it is not for everyone, but I don't think it is right to be so cynical about it. I'm sure a bad marriage can make it difficult not to be, as it's a shitty situation.

Men and women both have selfish motives for marriage, as well as the unselfish aspects. I am sure that my wife enjoys the financial security (when we started out it was not certain that I would be the main income provider), but I enjoy being looked after. For many other things we are a team.

Marriage and sex are separate things for me. Marriage contributes to my sexual satisfaction, but that is not it's main purpose. The German FKK scene tops up the sex, including activities that my wife would not want to do, and perhaps things that I would not want her to do!

I guess my point is that you can't be so certain about marriage being a bad idea. Same as I can't say for certain that it is a good plan. Each to their own.

We seem to agree that FKK is a good thing, so we at least have that in common!I've read the various comments with a lot of interest. I'm very much in Frotzy's and Eszpresso's camp but this all goes to show that the old phrase YMMV even applies to marriage! Like Frotzy, FKK for me is about more than sex. I like planning the trip, travelling, some time on my own to be selfish about what I want to do for me, the naked ladies, and the fresh sex with someone new. I guess if you have been unhappily married, with a bad sex life it can seem like some women want to extract from men. But are we really that different? I'm happily married to a wife I truly love. We have a good sex life. It was great but after 20+ years it isn't new anymore. I also love the feeling of a young early 20's female tight body and the sight of many more! The options to get this are either to have an affair. Which I don't want to do and don't have time for, or to completely abstain (which would be morally right but I'm in the "you only live once" camp) or picking up girls in bars. Would be harder than when I was younger but its still possible. But it comes with so many unnecessary complications. I too like the idea that once I've had my sexual needs catered for by a prostitute (or several!) that's the end of the deal. No need for awkward conversations about whether you are going to call the girl again etc. No hiding phone numbers. It's a simple transaction where the guy gets what he wants and the girl the same (the cash). Many marriages would fall apart without facilities like FKK clubs. So its not great for wives. But not for us guys either. We have to carry the guilt around and it's not nice but is preferable to abstention.

[Nille Copenhagen]

I can name you samya and aca, as far as I know now.

Yes oase is probably not the best but it's the only one I've seen. And the rooms are ok for me. So I'm happy to know there are some better ones.VillaVertigo too, many NRW clubs are available for sleeping in-club, Artemis has the 3rd floor for girls.

I had several times session with girls in "their" own rooms, they showed me their stuff, and we pulled out her blanket and sleep a little before or after sex.

[Nille Copenhagen]

I get married for love not for sex, I can get sex anywhere!

[Vitrea]

I can name you samya and aca, as far as I know now.

Yes oase is probably not the best but it's the only one I've seen. And the rooms are ok for me. So I'm happy to know there are some better ones.Girls at LR can stay there as well. They have limited rooms and girls who choose to sleep overnight have to inform them early.

[Vitrea]

I've read the various comments with a lot of interest. I'm very much in Frotzy's and Eszpresso's camp but this all goes to show that the old phrase YMMV even applies to marriage! Like Frotzy, FKK for me is about more than sex. I like planning the trip, travelling, some time on my own to be selfish about what I want to do for me, the naked ladies, and the fresh sex with someone new. I guess if you have been unhappily married, with a bad sex life it can seem like some women want to extract from men. But are we really that different? I'm happily married to a wife I truly love. We have a good sex life. It was great but after 20+ years it isn't new anymore. I also love the feeling of a young early 20's female tight body and the sight of many more! The options to get this are either to have an affair. Which I don't want to do and don't have time for, or to completely abstain (which would be morally right but I'm in the "you only live once" camp) or picking up girls in bars. Would be harder than when I was younger but its still possible. But it comes with so many unnecessary complications. I too like the idea that once I've had my sexual needs catered for by a prostitute (or several!) that's the end of the deal. No need for awkward conversations about whether you are going to call the girl again etc. No hiding phone numbers. It's a simple transaction where the guy gets what he wants and the girl the same (the cash). Many marriages would fall apart without facilities like FKK clubs. So its not great for wives. But not for us guys either. We have to carry the guilt around and it's not nice but is preferable to abstention.I could have written this myself.

[Faceless78]

Girls at LR can stay there as well. They have limited rooms and girls who choose to sleep overnight have to inform them early.Oh yes LR as well. There's also a hotel nearby, owned by the same boss. Girls can get a 50% off in that hotel, not bad at all.

[Hessen Bub]

Most clubs offer rooms for the girls to sleep in. Question was not which clubs do but in which clubs do the girls have to sleep in the rooms they work in vs other rooms / dormitories just for sleeping and living in. Palace has rooms in the building around the corner, Paradise on the 3 re floor, World in the building opposite the entrance etc.

HB.

[The Cane]

We have to carry the guilt around and it's not nice but is preferable to abstention.And that's one of the pluses about being single and engaging in the "hobby". No need to make that choice between abstention versus carrying around the guilt of cheating on your wife. We can bang as many girls as we like without being concerned about being found out by a significant other and hurting them. Who may in turn hurt us in divorce court! I bet a lot of you married guys would like to have the arrangement that a friend of mine has. Many years ago his wife lost the desire to have sex. She's just not interested in sex anymore. And yet, she realizes that her husband has needs. So, she gave him express permission to see the tutes! She said just don't ever bring one to her house, and don't spend too much money on them. Now that my friends is "love" LOLOLOL! How many women, and especially Western women, do you think have it within themselves to be so "understanding" hehehe! Oh, and they are still very much together as a married couple. For over a couple of decades already.

[NF4591]

Gents. I am thinking of visiting FKK clubs (probably in the Frankfurt area) around New Years. End of December to early January. I know the girls go back home for Christmas. Will the clubs be empty around New Years Eve, or will many girls be back?

[Sirioja]

For Sylvester 2014 , because no snow, so ski was too dangerous, foods were very good at Oase, with salmon, but girls asked 100 for 30 minutes, so no room for me and some girls blacklisted, so I don t advice Oase. I don t know for Sharks.

[PayForIt]

And that's one of the pluses about being single and engaging in the "hobby". No need to make that choice between abstention versus carrying around the guilt of cheating on your wife. We can bang as many girls as we like without being concerned about being found out by a significant other and hurting them. Who may in turn hurt us in divorce court! I bet a lot of you married guys would like to have the arrangement that a friend of mine has. Many years ago his wife lost the desire to have sex. She's just not interested in sex anymore. And yet, she realizes that her husband has needs. So, she gave him express permission to see the tutes! She said just don't ever bring one to her house, and don't spend too much money on them. Now that my friends is "love" LOLOLOL! How many women, and especially Western women, do you think have it within themselves to be so "understanding" hehehe! Oh, and they are still very much together as a married couple. For over a couple of decades already.Your pal has utopia! It would be perfect to have the best of both worlds. I do get that being single has these advantages, but then it also has many disadvantages I can see if you are happy with the woman you are with other than being greedy for fresh pussy! So your friend is a lucky guy. However, I wonder if what his wife has agreed to verbally is what many other women agree to without actually saying it. My wife once told me that she suspected that as I have a much higher sex drive than hers (or so she tells me!) that she thought I must satisfy that other than alone. But to make sure she never found out. I think she thinks that if confronted with the truth her pride might cause her to say no deal -but she would rather not have to face the truth. It's almost tacit rather than actual consent. Almost a "don't let me catch you" approach. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.

[SaratogaX]

I think she thinks that if confronted with the truth her pride might cause her to say no deal -but she would rather not have to face the truth.I found this to be the case with number of women. Some will pretend, some will be explicit about it and some will simply let you cheat and ultimately get over it. I have simply concluded that most women do not want to be confronted with the truth and in that case have their pride exposed.

[Hessen Bub]

For Sylvester 2014 , because no snow, so ski was too dangerous, foods were very good at Oase, with salmon, but girls asked 100 for 30 minutes, It was a seller's market at Oase last year, less than 50 girls and 250 plus guys. So the girls were going around asking who is willing to pay the highest price.

HB.

[Exodus8]

It was a seller's market at Oase last year, less than 50 girls and 250 plus guys. So the girls were going around asking who is willing to pay the highest price.

HB.And if 2 or more people bid the same price then the girls can go with whom they find more attractive, LOL.

I wouldn't participate in the bidding but will watch the action and return next day to normal price.

[BruickLaddie]

I will be in the Frankfurt area for a couple of days at the end of the month. I know it will be slim pickings, but which Frankfurt area club is the liveliest during the day on a Sunday? Oase, Mainhatten, Palace, Sharks? (I've been to Sharks several times on a Sunday; hoping there is someplace better).

Thanks in advance,

BL

[UShobbyist]

For Sylvester 2014 , because no snow, so ski was too dangerous, foods were very good at Oase, with salmon, but girls asked 100 for 30 minutes, so no room for me and some girls blacklisted, so I don t advice Oase. I don t know for Sharks.Many Oase girls upsell CIM. That's why they want 100 for 30 minutes.

[Hessen Bub]

Not on December 31st 2014, they just took advantage of the situation and demanded more.

HB.

[Sirioja]

Many Oase girls upsell CIM. That's why they want 100 for 30 minutes.No, 50 for 30 minutes + 50 for CIM, is just club rate in each Hessen club, even some are asked for 100 for CIM by their girl? But on Sylvester 2014 , most of Oase girls asked for 100 for each 30 minutes, out of extra, and with Oase services level which is not the best. Some paid 200 for a short hour.

Fortunately, foods were very good for diner, for belly pleasure and anaconda was sleeping early to rest to be strong for 2015 .

If I can't ski this year, I won't be at Oase for Sylvester 2015 , I don't like to be fucked by girls.

[Member #4581]

That sylvester event sounds not that different from other distress times like floods, other natural or man made calamities, etc when merchants hike up pricing for simple staples in a very predatory manner. Ought to be illegal, but still happens, every time.

Have any guys ever tried to turn the tables and demanded extra goodies, extra time, discounted fares when there are few men and very large number of women for a whole day or whole week? I wonder what the rate of success would be?!

[Craiova]

That sylvester event sounds not that different from other distress times like floods, other natural or man made calamities, etc when merchants hike up pricing for simple staples in a very predatory manner. Ought to be illegal, but still happens, every time.

Have any guys ever tried to turn the tables and demanded extra goodies, extra time, discounted fares when there are few men and very large number of women for a whole day or whole week? I wonder what the rate of success would be?!Why should this be illegal? A girl can make on every day a price she wants she must only mention it before the session. Therefore you find in many clubs signs that the girls work for her own resbonsibility and they are independent entrepreneur. But to make the system easier the club girls agreed together a common price system like 50 euro for 30 minutes or 50 euro extra for CIM.

And the other way happens quite often especially in the smaller clubs. Even from Sharks girls I hear enough complains about guys with 30 euro offers.

[Sirioja]

From my little experience about my few weekly visits, but as a foreigner of course, my best look castings clubs at the moment are Sharks and Acapulco. Best time is Sunday early for happy hours rate, take time to breakfast, warm up anaconda to wait for girls arrival at 3/4 pm and then formula 1 start. If you are lucky to stay on Sunday evening, you can have many free girls only for you, so they learn to smile to attract you. At Sharks, you can also get top girls early, if you can t wait and control anaconda. Take your pills for heart for Aca amazing curvy firm bodies with round ass.

[BruickLaddie]

From my little experience about my few weekly visits, but as a foreigner of course, my best look castings clubs at the moment are Sharks and Acapulco. Best time is Sunday early for happy hours rate, take time to breakfast, warm up anaconda to wait for girls arrival at 3/4 pm and then formula 1 start. If you are lucky to stay on Sunday evening, you can have many free girls only for you, so they learn to smile to attract you. At Sharks, you can also get top girls early, if you can t wait and control anaconda. Take your pills for heart for Aca amazing curvy firm bodies with round ass.Thanks Sirioja. I'm tempted to try Acapulco, but I'm afraid it's a little far afield for an evening departure from FRA. Does Mainhatten have a good brunch buffet?

[GirlCrazy1]

Hi all!

I am a middle aged man from USA with a few free weekends in Europe next month. I am excited to experience the FKK clubs! I expect to by a little shy at first but hopefully warm up quickly. I hope to visit both Frankfurt and Vienna for a long weekend. Which do you recommend is best for a first timer?

Thanks in advance!

[PussyLiccker]

From my little experience about my few weekly visits, but as a foreigner of course, my best look castings clubs at the moment are Sharks and Acapulco. Best time is Sunday early for happy hours rate, take time to breakfast, warm up anaconda to wait for girls arrival at 3/4 pm and then formula 1 start. If you are lucky to stay on Sunday evening, you can have many free girls only for you, so they learn to smile to attract you. At Sharks, you can also get top girls early, if you can t wait and control anaconda. Take your pills for heart for Aca amazing curvy firm bodies with round ass.There's reasons why I have repeatedly came back to Aca. I've had some of my top sessions there. I wouldn't call this place a tourist destination like a Hessen club with bus loads of Asians (not easily reachable), and you won't find business oriented girls there. It's the best of optics, and no business like attitude. There is none of that barrier on the way, so the outcome rides on the interaction with the girl as girls are fresh.

My first visits there was the most memorable experiences there. On a visit, after walking around the lounge full of girls, I finally spotted a girl in a corner sitting nonchalant. She was sitting at the bad spot to be noticed easily. Came up close, and she was just one of the best looker I've ever seen! She was a young blond Ro, blue eyes, really pretty. No English, impossible for me to get a chat in. She looked great I took her anyway. In the room was surreal. We started out with great kissing. When I looked into her eyes, she had that sleepy eyed horny look on her. Soon after she would point at my peter, and point at her pussy. Pussy sliding! Hah. What a session. This is one of those instances, no English necessary. She communicated quite well without words. That left an impression to come back to see if I run into girls like that again. Positive reinforcement.

[Sirioja]

Not the best GFE services found yet, but top casting at the moment.

[UltraHappy]

Hi all!

I am a middle aged man from USA with a few free weekends in Europe next month. I am excited to experience the FKK clubs! I expect to by a little shy at first but hopefully warm up quickly. I hope to visit both Frankfurt and Vienna for a long weekend. Which do you recommend is best for a first timer?

Thanks in advance!Frankfurt beats Vienna in terms of FKKs (on both quality of service and price). Frankfurt beats Vienna hands down, no contest (ok, not in terms of tourism necessarily -- but I assume that is not your priority as you are posting on ISG).

In Frankfurt, start with both Oase and Sharks. If you hit at least both of those clubs in Frankfurt, you've done very well for your first short trip.

Enjoy and try to soak up and remember as much as possible -- you will never again experience your first time in an FKK after this first visit!

[Member #4581]

The illegal part referred to the predatory pricing of merchants during natural calamities. I do think that it is infact illegal but I am not a lawyer.

And even in the clubs, how is that ethical, or legal? When you walk in, the club manager tells you the price is 50 for 30. So that is an agreed upon price, almost a contract. If the price was variable and potentially much higher, the club ought to mention that. In any case, if I walk in paying my entry fee after hearing from the manager about 50/30, it is definitely a ripoff and in my view a contractual violation to see a different price.

Sure, girls can charge whatever they want, if they were selling their wares on their own outside the club. But in a club, they agreed to the common pricing system, in exchange for obtaining customers more easily.


Why should this be illegal? A girl can make on every day a price she wants she must only mention it before the session. Therefore you find in many clubs signs that the girls work for her own resbonsibility and they are independent entrepreneur. But to make the system easier the club girls agreed together a common price system like 50 euro for 30 minutes or 50 euro extra for CIM.

And the other way happens quite often especially in the smaller clubs. Even from Sharks girls I hear enough complains about guys with 30 euro offers.

[PussyLiccker]

Jnpr, I see the analogy. Both are taking advantage of the situation. And the law is an ethical one that protects the consumer which is fair in perspective. The difference is what is paid for. One is a commodity, whereas other is a service provided by a girl. Human services like prostitution is not equatable to a commodity nor should it be. She is selling her body so I think she should be free to upmarket whenever opportunity presents itself. It's bad enough that she has to comply to whatever club pricing she agreed to. 30-50 Euros. Besides, when you have 300 horny punters with wallet full of 50's, there bound to be those that will negotiate to pay more since the girls are scarce. Hard to control this as people pay at the locker and people can easily slip in more money like tips or what have you. We pay the girl directly (not the club), and I believe that's what is meant when club says girls are independent worker. We deal with the girl directly for service-monetary transactions.

But still it's a market nonetheless. One of the attraction is the pricing. I think a lot of us want the most bang for the buck.

[Sirioja]

Thanks Sirioja. I'm tempted to try Acapulco, but I'm afraid it's a little far afield for an evening departure from FRA. Does Mainhatten have a good brunch buffet?Mainhattan or Sharks have good foods all day. Aca is 250 kilometers north to Frankfurt, 2 hours driving, diner until 9 pm, happy hours after 9 pm, out of Friday and Saturday.

For look casting, Sharks is higher in number, but a few attractive look girls at Mainhattan: Marina, Suzi, Isabel ex World, Adel, Sarah.

[Sirioja]

Hi all!

I am a middle aged man from USA with a few free weekends in Europe next month. I am excited to experience the FKK clubs! I expect to by a little shy at first but hopefully warm up quickly. I hope to visit both Frankfurt and Vienna for a long weekend. Which do you recommend is best for a first timer?

Thanks in advance!Frankfurt and Vienna are quite far, so you should choose one each week-end. Can t say about Vienna FKK never visited, but cultural town you should visit. About Frankfurt, to begin, if shy, avoid Palace and Oase, my advice: go to Sharks to blond Sandra. De, dark blond Ester. Ro, dark blond Madalina. Ro, teeny blond Aurelia. Ro, blond Patricia. Mold, brunettes Helli. Ro, Jellis. Ro, Aylice. Bu. All friendly pretty girls. Maybe you will find a WG GF, you will to repeat, like many of us, some have 50 rooms with same girl for 1 year, some 9 hours in 3 days with an amazing little angel. Just my advice of course, but where you visit, always speak with girls about services, expectations and to feel girl behavior, before going to room, avoid tip, not to be considered as a tourist to fuck, don t say your 1st time in FKK, relax and enjoy beauties, most at Sharks are friendly and honest.

[Delta Indigo]

Frankfurt beats Vienna in terms of FKKs (on both quality of service and price). Frankfurt beats Vienna hands down, no contest (ok, not in terms of tourism necessarily -- but I assume that is not your priority as you are posting on ISG).

In Frankfurt, start with both Oase and Sharks. If you hit at least both of those clubs in Frankfurt, you've done very well for your first short trip.

Enjoy and try to soak up and remember as much as possible -- you will never again experience your first time in an FKK after this first visit!Vienna has two Large Fkks and is a far more attractive city. Frankfurt has a much wider array of FKK choices, but how is the city better than Vienna besides the better high income job prospects?

[Delta Indigo]

The illegal part referred to the predatory pricing of merchants during natural calamities. I do think that it is infact illegal but I am not a lawyer.

And even in the clubs, how is that ethical, or legal? When you walk in, the club manager tells you the price is 50 for 30. So that is an agreed upon price, almost a contract. If the price was variable and potentially much higher, the club ought to mention that. In any case, if I walk in paying my entry fee after hearing from the manager about 50/30, it is definitely a ripoff and in my view a contractual violation to see a different price.

Sure, girls can charge whatever they want, if they were selling their wares on their own outside the club. But in a club, they agreed to the common pricing system, in exchange for obtaining customers more easily.It is not illegal and to avoid the wrath of anti trafficking laws the websites say that the women are independent contractors, in reality this is not true, however they also state that the girls have mutually agreed to this pricing structure. This girl prefers to be in the nice luxurious club where she also has protection instead of being a street walker and so on. She agrees to pay the entrance fee and agrees to the terms. So I think this is disingenuous. Furthermore Jnpr30 has a point, do the girls drop their prices when there are few men around.

If they don't like the price, they can go elsewhere or make their way to Switzerland or high end brothels with a different pricing structure. They agree to the price levels and these price levels are optimized to yield the most customers. Then when they dispense with these rules, some people say it is okay, remember they don't have to work in these brothels, no one is forcing them to at least not any client who pays.

Secondly I am tired of hearing what victims these girls are. They are there because they have calculated things, they will make more money for less effort, especially given most of their education levels, then elsewhere. Due to a lack of language skills some of these girls could not get a job in McDonalds. They know what they are doing and doing it for relatively fast money. Yes sometimes they don't make enough, but they have calculated that they beat McDonalds, where incidentally if you have a lot of customers. They don't raise the prices.

Lastly this might be hard work with some customers, but many consider themselves to be in good shape and good looking but too lazy to go hunting outside, they are getting a massive bargain when they have sex with me in my opinion.

This is why I am actually worried about the new prostitution law, I don't think BBBJ will disappear, but I think the clubs won't be able to explicitly make it part of their pricing structure, but most likely nothing will change.

[Exodus8]

It is not illegal and to avoid the wrath of anti trafficking laws the websites say that the women are independent contractors, in reality this is not true, however they also state that the girls have mutually agreed to this pricing structure. This girl prefers to be in the nice luxurious club where she also has protection instead of being a street walker and so on. She agrees to pay the entrance fee and agrees to the terms. So I think this is disingenuous. Furthermore Jnpr30 has a point, do the girls drop their prices when there are few men around.

If they don't like the price, they can go elsewhere or make their way to Switzerland or high end brothels with a different pricing structure. They agree to the price levels and these price levels are optimized to yield the most customers. Then when they dispense with these rules, some people say it is okay, remember they don't have to work in these brothels, no one is forcing them to at least not any client who pays.

Secondly I am tired of hearing what victims these girls are. They are there because they have calculated things, they will make more money for less effort, especially given most of their education levels, then elsewhere. Due to a lack of language skills some of these girls could not get a job in McDonalds. They know what they are doing and doing it for relatively fast money. Yes sometimes they don't make enough, but they have calculated that they beat McDonalds, where incidentally if you have a lot of customers. They don't raise the prices.

Lastly this might be hard work with some customers, but many consider themselves to be in good shape and good looking but too lazy to go hunting outside, they are getting a massive bargain when they have sex with me in my opinion.

This is why I am actually worried about the new prostitution law, I don't think BBBJ will disappear, but I think the clubs won't be able to explicitly make it part of their pricing structure, but most likely nothing will change.Agree with yr analysis and I also consider myself a massive bargain as well, haha.

[Hessen Bub]

The illegal part referred to the predatory pricing of merchants during natural calamities. I do think that it is infact illegal but I am not a lawyer.It is not illegal. It might be against the club's rules. The clubs have to be very sensitive about rules for the girls, otherwise they will run into problems with the authorities.

HB.

[Nille Copenhagen]

It is not illegal. It might be against the club's rules. The clubs have to be very sensitive about rules for the girls, otherwise they will run into problems with the authorities.

HB.Paradise was accused to support pimping and some of the staff members went to jail.

Most club are cheating in tax, I've never got any receipt for paying the entrance or for buying drinks. Palace or World might give you a receipt if you ask them.

[Vitrea]

From my little experience about my few weekly visits, but as a foreigner of course, my best look castings clubs at the moment are Sharks and Acapulco. Best time is Sunday early for happy hours rate, take time to breakfast, warm up anaconda to wait for girls arrival at 3/4 pm and then formula 1 start. If you are lucky to stay on Sunday evening, you can have many free girls only for you, so they learn to smile to attract you. At Sharks, you can also get top girls early, if you can t wait and control anaconda. Take your pills for heart for Aca amazing curvy firm bodies with round ass.Not to challenge one of the kings of the forum but last week ACA's LU sucked. Let me say that it is not worth 2 HR drive.

[Sirioja]

Not to challenge one of the kings of the forum but last week ACA's LU sucked. Let me say that it is not worth 2 HR drive.No truth, no king, just tastes, you are not attracted, best casting for look at the moment for me and I will return for 3rd week end this Saturday for Kate and 2 blond to discover, not Anna, and there is for me a brunette with amazing curvy body. Just not the best GFE level, but can't resist to beauty.

[UShobbyist]

Vienna has two Large Fkks and is a far more attractive city. Frankfurt has a much wider array of FKK choices, but how is the city better than Vienna besides the better high income job prospects?For the same star rating of the hotels. The hotels of Frankfurt are about 20% cheaper than those of Vienna. LOL.

[Craiova]

Most club are cheating in tax, I've never got any receipt for paying the entrance or for buying drinks. Palace or World might give you a receipt if you ask them.How do you know that "most clubs" are cheating in tax? For instance Sharks even record the drinks in the computer system. And I'm sure this kind of bookkeeping has approval of German tax authorities. This is Germany and not Greece. And in almost every Club you get a strap on your arm in different colours according how much you pay for entrance. These straps are bookkeeping vouchers or you think you get this only for fun?

[Member #4581]

Ok, thanks to PL, DI, and HB for clarifying about the anti trafficking angle as related to this issue. I am definitely not an expert on that side and frankly had not even considered that angle when I wrote my earlier comment. The one thing I would say though, the club manager is still telling you before or at the time you pay your entry fee, that fuck and suck is 50 for 30, etc, and if that price structure is no longer valid after you paid up and walked in, I feel that the club manager misled you whether intentionally or not. If the club never had any intention of enforcing a specific price because it might infringe on anti trafficking legalese, then they should just say "50 is the typical price but some girls might not agree to it".

[Eszpresszo]

For the same star rating of the hotels. The hotels of Frankfurt are about 20% cheaper than those of Vienna. LOL.They are cheaper for a reason. Frankfurt is the Dallas of Europe. Vienna is a beautiful old city with numerous cultural attractions, and its short distance from Budapest, which has even more carnal attractions.

[PussyLiccker]

How do you know that "most clubs" are cheating in tax? For instance Sharks even record the drinks in the computer system. And I'm sure this kind of bookkeeping has approval of German tax authorities. This is Germany and not Greece. And in almost every Club you get a strap on your arm in different colours according how much you pay for entrance. These straps are bookkeeping vouchers or you think you get this only for fun?I've heard about the straps. NRW clubs there are no straps. When I used to stay at Oase til closing I recall seeing the bartender looking at the alcohol bottles and jotting down the amount. What about the discounted entries like 6 for 4? How do they account for that?

[SvenFKK]

For the same star rating of the hotels. The hotels of Frankfurt are about 20% cheaper than those of Vienna. LOL.Note that there is no standard system of star ratings; it varies from country to country. Also, it is not about quality but about facilities provided, though in general quality tends to be higher if there are lots of facilities. This makes sense. In Norway, even a five-star hotel doesn't need air-conditioning, but in Greece even a two-star one would.

[SvenFKK]

Vienna has two Large Fkks and is a far more attractive city. Frankfurt has a much wider array of FKK choices, but how is the city better than Vienna besides the better high income job prospects?Vienna is a capital city of a country; Frankfurt isn't even the capital of a state (the capital of Hesse is Wiesbaden). Vienna is about 7 times the population of Frankfurt. Vienna has been more important historically. Much of Frankfurt was destroyed in WWII. As a result, much of the architecture is modern (skyscrapers etc), but even some of the old-looking stuff is actually rebuilt. Much of Frankfurt is concerned with the financial world, and there are many people who moved there from somewhere else, partially for this reason. Then there are the differences between Germany and Austria.

[SvenFKK]

My ex did not give me a hard time but got a lot out of me and sucked in sex.I think you should have used a different metaphor here to get your point across. .

"With regard to sex, my wife really sucks. She sucks long and hard. " That's positive, not negative!

[Hessen Bub]

Vienna is a capital city of a country; Frankfurt isn't even the capital of a state (the capital of Hesse is Wiesbaden). Vienna is about 7 times the population of Frankfurt. Vienna has been more important historically.
FFM: 700,000.

Vienna: about 2,000,000.

So Vienna is maybe 3 x the population of Frankfurt.

And yes, Frankfurt is not Hessen's or Germany's capital, but I'd say it's greatly underrated when it comes to attractiveness. Bankfurt is not only banks and highrises. There's quite a few interesting museums, the areömer, the Dom, Sachsenhausen, the old city, the opera etc. Also it is just 20-30 minutes to Wiesbaden, Darmstadt and the Rheingau.

HB.

[GirlCrazy1]

Frankfurt beats Vienna in terms of FKKs (on both quality of service and price). Frankfurt beats Vienna hands down, no contest (ok, not in terms of tourism necessarily -- but I assume that is not your priority as you are posting on ISG).

In Frankfurt, start with both Oase and Sharks. If you hit at least both of those clubs in Frankfurt, you've done very well for your first short trip.

Enjoy and try to soak up and remember as much as possible -- you will never again experience your first time in an FKK after this first visit!Thanks Sirioja (and all others who answered).

Did not mean to start a shit storm over city / national pride! I'm just trying to find the most fun place to get laid (probably more often than not a BJ considering my age!

I have decided on Frankfurt my first destination and expect to have four nights there. As the "Shy" guy should I spend all my time at Sharks or sample the wares at some other places nearby? I like brothels also if they have a central bar area for mingling, meeting the girls, drinking beer with fellow hobbyists, etc.

Basically, other than street prostitutes I'd like to enjoy the finest sex experience that Frankfurt has to offer!

[Jymondor]

Rent at SIXT (Frankfurt Airport): 156 Euro.

Rent at SIXT (Darmstadt Hbf): 83 Euro (same class, same rental period).

Airliner from Fraport to Darmstadt Hbf - 8.50 Euro (free wi-fi, comfortable seats)

I am an idiot because I always rented at Fraport. Don't make Mistakes like that anymore.

[Nille Copenhagen]

Rent at SIXT (Frankfurt Airport): 156 Euro.

Rent at SIXT (Darmstadt Hbf): 83 Euro (same class, same rental period).

Airliner from Fraport to Darmstadt Hbf - 8.50 Euro (free wi-fi, comfortable seats)

I am an idiot because I always rented at Fraport. Don't make Mistakes like that anymore.I don't care about the extra cost (airport rental fee) I rather not waste my time to get to the club is a flash. The cost is so little in the big FKK-budget.

[Carpe Viam]

Rent at SIXT (Frankfurt Airport): 156 Euro.

Rent at SIXT (Darmstadt Hbf): 83 Euro (same class, same rental period).

Airliner from Fraport to Darmstadt Hbf - 8.50 Euro (free wi-fi, comfortable seats)

I am an idiot because I always rented at Fraport. Don't make Mistakes like that anymore.I do not find any difference in price between that of the airport and the town. But if there is a messe, the airport's cars are well taken and the price could rise.

When I buy an airplane ticket, I am offered to rent a car at airport, or I look for in rentalcar.com. The price is always correct.

[Breadman]

Rent at SIXT (Frankfurt Airport): 156 Euro.

Rent at SIXT (Darmstadt Hbf): 83 Euro (same class, same rental period).

Airliner from Fraport to Darmstadt Hbf - 8.50 Euro (free wi-fi, comfortable seats)

I am an idiot because I always rented at Fraport. Don't make Mistakes like that anymore.My ten day rental comes to roughly 230 euro's, adding in the 21 euro fee for picking up the car at the frankfurt airport and dropping it off at the dusseldorf airport and also adding on the airport fee. I then searched the same dates using the rail station pick up option and I'm seeing $340 for the same dates (plus the train tickets). Sorry, I'll continue to rent at the airports as long as the price is reasonable, the convenience is worth 100 euro's in my opinion.

[Banana Boi]

Some great info TA has posted before is that in Dusseldorf you can rent from SixT and pick up at the Maritim hotel location which is steps from the airport (Gate C side), avoiding the airport terminal surcharge. Worth the 5 minute walk. Only drawback is they are only open 700-1830 M-F, 800-1200 Sa, and they are closed Sunday so book your arrival flight accordingly. Drop off can be at any time.

Unfortunately, FRA doesn't have a convenient SixT location close to the airport which is why I usually fly in to Dusseldorf. I guess one of the closer SixT rental places I can easily get to from the airport would be Niederrad. The Dorint and NH are nice hotels in that area as well.

Bottom line, if you're staying 3 days just eat the airport surcharge. If you stay 3 weeks like I have done, make the effort to look into renting off site.

[UltraHappy]

FFM: 700,000.

Vienna: about 2,000,000.

So Vienna is maybe 3 x the population of Frankfurt.

And yes, Frankfurt is not Hessen's or Germany's capital, but I'd say it's greatly underrated when it comes to attractiveness. Bankfurt is not only banks and highrises. There's quite a few interesting museums, the aremer, the Dom, Sachsenhausen, the old city, the opera etc. Also it is just 20-30 minutes to Wiesbaden, Darmstadt and the Rheingau.

HB.Sorry, I have real trouble hearing anything about stuff in Frankfurt now that I know there are FKKs there. If you told me that Frankfurt had really cool beaches, my brain would still be stuck on FKKs.

[UShobbyist]

My ten day rental comes to roughly 230 euro's, adding in the 21 euro fee for picking up the car at the frankfurt airport and dropping it off at the dusseldorf airport and also adding on the airport fee. I then searched the same dates using the rail station pick up option and I'm seeing $340 for the same dates (plus the train tickets). Sorry, I'll continue to rent at the airports as long as the price is reasonable, the convenience is worth 100 euro's in my opinion.Does your auto insurance cover the rental car?

[Sirioja]

Thanks Sirioja (and all others who answered).

Did not mean to start a shit storm over city / national pride! I'm just trying to find the most fun place to get laid (probably more often than not a BJ considering my age!

I have decided on Frankfurt my first destination and expect to have four nights there. As the "Shy" guy should I spend all my time at Sharks or sample the wares at some other places nearby? I like brothels also if they have a central bar area for mingling, meeting the girls, drinking beer with fellow hobbyists, etc.

Basically, other than street prostitutes I'd like to enjoy the finest sex experience that Frankfurt has to offer!Sharks is a good choice on Wednesday 50 , Friday, Sunday 45 before 2 pm, you can have these happy hours rate. Speak with girls who attract you before going upstairs. You can also try Mainhattan, with blond Suzi. Cz, ultra slim Dana. Ro, pretty top model long black hair Sarah. Ro, in Frankfurt on Saturday, 45 before 1 pm.

If you get bored and have time, Vienna and Berlin, cultural towns, worth to visit. Enjoy Germany and Austria, 2 wonderful and safe countries.

[Sirioja]

Rent at SIXT (Frankfurt Airport): 156 Euro.

Rent at SIXT (Darmstadt Hbf): 83 Euro (same class, same rental period).

Airliner from Fraport to Darmstadt Hbf - 8.50 Euro (free wi-fi, comfortable seats)

I am an idiot because I always rented at Fraport. Don't make Mistakes like that anymore.How long time renting? Which car?

[Outlaw555]

I'm visiting Frankfurt next Wednesday for one day transit flight, which FKK clubs do you recommend for me? With the hottest girls.

[Jymondor]

How long time renting? Which car?Ford Focus Class From 3:00 PM Friday till 10:00 AM Monday.

Insuraunce with deductible 850 Euros included. I always buy this type of insurance.

There is of course coverage with my credit card. But this is not the same if you buy insurance from rental company. Much more hassle if something happens.

There is no significant waste of time renting at Darmstadt Hbf Sharks is your first destination.

There is long walk to the car location in FRA. Airliner is right by the entrance.

Airliner goes to the Darmstadt with the same speed as I drive.

No line at Darmstadt SIXT. In FRA you maigh wait up to half of hour.

[Breadman]

My auto insurance doesn't work outside of the states on a car rental, would be nice if it did. I use the credit card's auto coverage. I do have a question about the airport 'surcharge', exactly when does it get tacked on and why would a 3 day surcharge be any less than a 3 week surcharge? I book and prepay my car using a third party company and they get discounts since they are getting the rental agency's more business. I never see a 'surcharge' tacked on after my rental, its possible its added to the final quote from my third party website.

[Breadman]

Sharks is a good choice on Wednesday 50 , Friday, Sunday 45 before 2 pm, you can have these happy hours rate. Are we sure about Friday's rate being 50?

[EscortSandra]

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[Frozty]

Insuraunce with deductible 850 Euros included. I always buy this type of insurance.If you rent a lot, you can buy an annual policy to cover the deductible on any hire. Approx 40 per annum. It covers any number of hires, as long as they are no more than 90 days at one time.

I'd never thought about renting in Darmstadt. Good idea.

[UShobbyist]

Sharks is a good choice on Wednesday 50 , Friday, Sunday 45 before 2 pm, you can have these happy hours rate.
This Friday special is NOT on Sharks's website. Are you sure that this is not a one time promotion?

[Hessen Bub]

There's no permanent Friday special at Sharks.

HB.

[PussyLiccker]

Are Hessen clubs generally slower on Thursdays? I've heard World is slow on Thursdays(of course I've witnessed this too). I've noticed that with Sharks as well. Of course Sharks is offering Wednesday special so it should draw more attenders. Oase being Dessous Tag would deter some punters. Overall, would attendance of girls for Thursdays be generally low in Hessen? Wednesdays, generally a higher turn-out?

For World, the reason is that some girls take that day off before the weekend. Could this be the case for other clubs as well? Or is this more of a World thing? What do all yalls think?

[SevenIron]

I was just wondering if someone could give me some general input on the girls in the clubs. I did an FKK tour in June, hitting many clubs. If I were to go back in the clubs tomorrow would the line ups in general look the same with the same girls and a few new or different ones scattered about? Maybe then say I went one year from my last date in June, would each club look vastly different with a completely new line up. I understand it may be tough to answer but I am looking for any general input on the scene. Thanks.

[SaratogaX]

Is it better to drive or take the train and then maybe rent a car once I get there?

Appreciate your thoughts on this.

[Faceless78]

I was just wondering if someone could give me some general input on the girls in the clubs. I was did an FKK tour in June, hitting many clubs. If I were to go back in the clubs tomorrow would the line ups in general look the same with the same girls and a few new or different ones scattered about? Maybe then say I went one year from my last date in June, would each club look vastly different with a completely new line up. I understand it may be tough to answer but I am looking for any general input on the scene. Thanks.Even if your last trip was in June last year, at least more than half he LU is the same; so if it's this June, probably 80%. Of course there will be some new faces, but don't expect too much.

[PussyLiccker]

Even if your last trip was in June last year, at least more than half he LU is the same; so if it's this June, probably 80%. Of course there will be some new faces, but don't expect too much.I've realized that Automech or IAA doesn't really draw new girls as I previously thought at Oase(probably not at other places either). The girls I went with exception of 2 started in the late spring to summer and others came from neighboring clubs. I think when I visited on a night during Automech, it just happens that all the attractive ones were attending that day. This year, there really wasn't noticeable change in standout girls to say there was a significant percentage difference with the LU during the IAA compared to last year. Which I believe should not be expected. I believe some girls just move clubs during IAA as I've witnessed it this year and been with girls last year that have. I believe new girls join at various times gradually over time. 2014 throughout the year was probably the most noticeable changes at Oase I've noticed.

[Sirioja]

Are we sure about Friday's rate being 50?Discount entry are Wednesday whole day 50 and Sunday before 2 pm 45 , so locals come, girls know it, so they work on these days, so good casting days. Also, often good casting on Friday. Some girls prefer not to work on Saturday. In September, I was surprised with a good casting on Monday, with about 40/50 girls.

[Sirioja]

I've realized that Automech or IAA doesn't really draw new girls as I previously thought at Oase(probably not at other places either). The girls I went with exception of 2 started in the late spring to summer and others came from neighboring clubs. I think when I visited on a night during Automech, it just happens that all the attractive ones were attending that day. This year, there really wasn't noticeable change in standout girls to say there was a significant percentage difference with the LU during the IAA compared to last year. Which I believe should not be expected. I believe some girls just move clubs during IAA as I've witnessed it this year and been with girls last year that have. I believe new girls join at various times gradually over time. 2014 throughout the year was probably the most noticeable changes at Oase I've noticed.Some girls moved to other club, from Palace or Oase to Mainhattan. Many girls at Mainhattan and Sharks said me they worked less for IAA than before? What happened this year?

[Curious39]

Here's a PDF calendar of the Trade Fairs in Frankfurt for 2016.

Good information for planning your next trip.

https://www.messefrankfurt.com/content/dam/corporate/messe/publikationen/Kal_A4_FFM_2016_e_web_final.pdf

[Sirioja]

If most of Romanian girls have BF / taxi driver / pimp, many German girls have also Turkish pimp. FKK business make money for those who do not want to work.

[Sirioja]

If most of Romanian girls have BF / taxi driver / pimp, many German girls have also Turkish pimp. FKK business make money for those who do not want to work.Some Polish girls have pimp also, unfortunately for all these girls who don't have money they make being fucked.

[Marmite34]

Have a convenient 14 hour layover in FRA next month and was wondering where I should spend the day? I've been to Artemis in Berlin a couple of times, a really special place and hoping to.

Find something similar in Frankfurt. Sharks seems to get good reviews, but was considering Oase too.

What place would you say has the best selection on a Friday during the daytime hours as I arrive early in the morning at 8 am and will be flying back out at 915 pm. I will probably head to the FKK.

Shortly after it opens to get the most bang for my buck.

I'm partial to the girl next door look and rooms that hopefully have mirrors beside the bed.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

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[Tuber19]

Hello guys,

I'm planning to Visit Dusseldorf and Frankfurt in January, what week to expect the girls return from their Holiday! I know 1st week is full of Holidays so girls are expected to go home! Right?

So should I plan my visit on 2nd or 3rd week on January?

Thanks

[Sirioja]

Hello guys,

I'm planning to Visit Dusseldorf and Frankfurt in January, what week to expect the girls return from their Holiday! I know 1st week is full of Holidays so girls are expected to go home! Right?

So should I plan my visit on 2nd or 3rd week on January?

ThanksAs late as possible in January, because girls stay a while with family, even they need money, but they are right to enjoy at home, even cold Winter in Eastern Europe.

[PayForIt]

Guys I have a three night trip (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) coming up to Germany in the next few weeks and am trying to plan it best. Would appreciate some help.

I've done Artemis to death and though I really like it and have a good time there. It is miles to get to any other club and I don't want to do 3 consecutive nights in one club. I will go to Sharks for sure on one if not two of the nights. Maybe the other night in Mainhattan given recent reports.

My issue is the first night. I need to fly into Dusseldorf (won't bore you with why). Do I just hop on a train to FRA to start the fun (1 hour journey midday) or do I have a night in Dusseldorf and travel on the Saturday? I've been to Living Room once. Was a nice night, small club, free beers, great GFE, DFK with no upsell but overall LU was not great. I like the big clubs and thought of Oceans but reports on LU are poor. Sirioja has given very strong reviews on ACA but I am using public transport and that is quite some way out of Dusseldorf. So I need some help please from guys who are regulars in and around the NRW clubs. If you only had one night in Dusseldorf (as I do) which club would you go to at the moment and why? Also, would appreciate any help on hotel accommodation. Better to stay in town (I stayed at Nikko last time) or get a train out of town close to a club and head back in next morning? Any recommendations welcome as I don't know the area at all.

If anyone thinks I should abandon Dusseldorf altogether and just land, get the train to Frankfurt and have a few nights around Sharks / Mainhattan / World (I'm not a Palace or Oase fan) please let me know.

Cheers.

[SvenFKK]

Do I just hop on a train to FRA to start the fun (1 hour journey midday)
Cheers.Theüsseldorf--Frankfurt is more or like two hours or more.

[Sirioja]

Guys I have a three night trip (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) coming up to Germany in the next few weeks and am trying to plan it best. Would appreciate some help.

I've done Artemis to death and though I really like it and have a good time there. It is miles to get to any other club and I don't want to do 3 consecutive nights in one club. I will go to Sharks for sure on one if not two of the nights. Maybe the other night in Mainhattan given recent reports.

My issue is the first night. I need to fly into Dusseldorf (won't bore you with why). Do I just hop on a train to FRA to start the fun (1 hour journey midday) or do I have a night in Dusseldorf and travel on the Saturday? I've been to Living Room once. Was a nice night, small club, free beers, great GFE, DFK with no upsell but overall LU was not great. I like the big clubs and thought of Oceans but reports on LU are poor. Sirioja has given very strong reviews on ACA but I am using public transport and that is quite some way out of Dusseldorf. So I need some help please from guys who are regulars in and around the NRW clubs. If you only had one night in Dusseldorf (as I do) which club would you go to at the moment and why? Also, would appreciate any help on hotel accommodation. Better to stay in town (I stayed at Nikko last time) or get a train out of town close to a club and head back in next morning? Any recommendations welcome as I don't know the area at all.

If anyone thinks I should abandon Dusseldorf altogether and just land, get the train to Frankfurt and have a few nights around Sharks / Mainhattan / World (I'm not a Palace or Oase fan) please let me know.

Cheers.Why not renting a car?

My advice: Aca on Friday, not far from Airport and can sleep there until 5 am, LR or Mainhattan on Saturday, Sharks on Sunday before 2 pm for entry 45 .

For Friday daytime, also asked, Sharks opening at 11 am with early working star girls: Dina, Agnes, Kelli, Sandra.

[Hessen Bub]

The fastest ICE connection from the'dorf main station to Frankfurt main station is about 90 min.

HB.

[PChew]

Guys I have a three night trip (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) coming up to Germany in the next few weeks and am trying to plan it best. Would appreciate some help.

I've done Artemis to death and though I really like it and have a good time there. It is miles to get to any other club and I don't want to do 3 consecutive nights in one club. I will go to Sharks for sure on one if not two of the nights. Maybe the other night in Mainhattan given recent reports.

My issue is the first night. I need to fly into Dusseldorf (won't bore you with why). Do I just hop on a train to FRA to start the fun (1 hour journey midday) or do I have a night in Dusseldorf and travel on the Saturday? I've been to Living Room once. Was a nice night, small club, free beers, great GFE, DFK with no upsell but overall LU was not great. I like the big clubs and thought of Oceans but reports on LU are poor. Sirioja has given very strong reviews on ACA but I am using public transport and that is quite some way out of Dusseldorf. So I need some help please from guys who are regulars in and around the NRW clubs. If you only had one night in Dusseldorf (as I do) which club would you go to at the moment and why? Also, would appreciate any help on hotel accommodation. Better to stay in town (I stayed at Nikko last time) or get a train out of town close to a club and head back in next morning? Any recommendations welcome as I don't know the area at all.

If anyone thinks I should abandon Dusseldorf altogether and just land, get the train to Frankfurt and have a few nights around Sharks / Mainhattan / World (I'm not a Palace or Oase fan) please let me know.

Cheers.I would have gone straight to Frankfurt because a) you arrive at noon so there is plenty of time, b) you have already been to living room and you are not impressed. Things may have changed but is it worth the risk when Sharks seem to have lots of girls at present?, c) less hassle in checking in / out hotel in Dusseldorf and perhaps you can stay in one hotel in Frankfurt, d) you have enough clubs to try in Frankfurt, though I am not sure about how World's lineup is like.

I like Aca and Samya but it is not easy with public transport, especially Aca, and Samya is a small club. Goldentime is in the wrong direction.

Choice is yours ultimately.

[Banana Boi]

I like Aca and Samya but it is not easy with public transport, especially Aca, and Samya is a small club. Goldentime is in the wrong direction.
My understanding is Samya is very easy to reach by transit and a short taxi ride but I've never done it myself. If so, Samya should be considered.

Per Google maps, you can bahn from DUSS airport to Koln airport, then 15 minute taxi ride to Samya. I assume there are hotels near Koln airport. Then the next morning bahn to FRA.


have a few nights around Sharks / Mainhattan / World (I'm not a Palace or Oase fan) please let me know.Make the effort to rent a car or take transit / taxi to GT or ACA. If it's about trying to save a few bucks on car rental, don't cheap out. You won't regret it. Can't see World or Mainhattan be better than either GT or ACA talent wise. If you want to stay downtown DUSS and it's a Friday or Saturday night, Magnum is an option but a far inferior one than hitting ACA or GT.

How do you get to World without a car? World to FRA is further than GT to DUSS.

[PChew]

My understanding is Samya is very easy to reach by transit and a short taxi ride but I've never done it myself. If so, Samya should be considered.

Per Google maps, you can bahn from DUSS airport to Koln airport, then 15 minute taxi ride to Samya. I assume there are hotels near Koln airport. Then the next morning bahn to FRA.

Make the effort to rent a car or take transit / taxi to GT or ACA. If it's about trying to save a few bucks on car rental, don't cheap out. You won't regret it. Can't see World or Mainhattan be better than either GT or ACA talent wise. If you want to stay downtown DUSS and it's a Friday or Saturday night, Magnum is an option but a far inferior one than hitting ACA or GT.

How do you get to World without a car? World to FRA is further than GT to DUSS.That's true. I always drive to clubs so I don't know how to get there via public transport. Driving gives a lot of flexibility. The only thing is the long journey from Dusseldolf to Frankfurt. I think it is over 250 km and it drains some energy out.

Or if you drive from Dusseldolf to World it will be closer.

[Sirioja]

Have a convenient 14 hour layover in FRA next month and was wondering where I should spend the day? I've been to Artemis in Berlin a couple of times, a really special place and hoping to.

Find something similar in Frankfurt. Sharks seems to get good reviews, but was considering Oase too.

What place would you say has the best selection on a Friday during the daytime hours as I arrive early in the morning at 8 am and will be flying back out at 915 pm. I will probably head to the FKK.

Shortly after it opens to get the most bang for my buck.

I'm partial to the girl next door look and rooms that hopefully have mirrors beside the bed.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance!Sharks opening at 11 am, with Sandra, Dina, Agnes, Kelli, early working. Many girls arrive around 2/3 pm, best casting in Frankfurt at the moment. At Oase, most of girls arrive around 5 pm.

[Nille Copenhagen]

That's true. I always drive to clubs so I don't know how to get there via public transport. Driving gives a lot of flexibility. The only thing is the long journey from Dusseldolf to Frankfurt. I think it is over 250 km and it drains some energy out.

Or if you drive from Dusseldolf to World it will be closer.Drain the energy? Rent a decent car and drive with full speed 200 plus Km / h that's really fun, I drove many time from Aca to World, Oase and Sharks. It took about 2 H if there is not Stau.

[PayForIt]

My understanding is Samya is very easy to reach by transit and a short taxi ride but I've never done it myself. If so, Samya should be considered.

Per Google maps, you can bahn from DUSS airport to Koln airport, then 15 minute taxi ride to Samya. I assume there are hotels near Koln airport. Then the next morning bahn to FRA.

Make the effort to rent a car or take transit / taxi to GT or ACA. If it's about trying to save a few bucks on car rental, don't cheap out. You won't regret it. Can't see World or Mainhattan be better than either GT or ACA talent wise. If you want to stay downtown DUSS and it's a Friday or Saturday night, Magnum is an option but a far inferior one than hitting ACA or GT.

How do you get to World without a car? World to FRA is further than GT to DUSS.Guys. Thanks to all of you who responded. I should have made clear that I don't rent cars to go to FKK clubs. I like to have a few beers. That doesn't mean getting drunk. Far from it. Nothing worse in an FKK than drunken guys and obviously it affects performance but given the choice of driving and having to have no alcohol at all, or being able to enjoy a sociable drink with other guys and of course the girls, I'd much prefer the latter. I usually get the bahn to a club and then don't mind paying for a taxi return. When in Frankfurt getting to Oase (not on my list this time), Sharks and even World, are easy enough by S bahn then shortish cab ride. I actually found that the cab from World last time to Frankfurt was only marginally worse (65 euros) than from Oase. As an overseas visitor to FKKs its not sensible to be worried so much about costs of getting to and from an FKK, or cost of entry. The experiences are worth it though obviously I don't really want to go mad about it! I hadn't considered Koln / Samya. I'd like to visit Cologne as a city. Never been, and to be frank, I didn't think much of my one trip to Dusseldorf. I know I'm not there for the sights. Or at least outside FKKs I'm not (LOL) but it is nice to get to see a city as well. I love Berlin but I've done Artemis 3 times already this year and fancy a change. Sharks is a certainty given the strong LU reports. I'm quite liking the idea of flight to Duss / bahn to Koln, Samya Friday, Bahn to Frankfurt Airport, Sharks Saturday (wouldn't have the determination to wait until the sausage fest on Sunday despite cheaper entry), final club (Mainhattan?) Sunday and then flight from Fra airport Monday.

I do like the sound of ACA though not sure about the no-approach style of the club. Never considered GT. But ACA by public transport sounds tricky and wrong direction if I'm going to FRA next day.

Bahn from Cologne to Fra airport (I'll probably stay in a hotel there for convenience) journey time is only 48 minutes on fastest train.

Have never looked at the Samya forum so will do so before trip.

Quick city tour early morning in Cologne then train to Frankfurt / sharks Saturday and probably Mainhattan Sunday. No club is great on sundays but if Sharks is that amazing on the Saturday I'll head back there on Sunday.

Thanks for all the help and will of course report with my usual tendency / preference for listing clubs according to LU and facilities.

[Spock666]

I've finally got my vacation days down and approved! I'm plan on visiting Frankfurt between Dec 26 and Dec 31, which clubs are best one to visit during that time of year? I'm looking at visiting:

Atlantic Club.

Sharks.

Mainhattan.

World.

Royal Inn.

The Palace.

Oase.

Bahana Club.

I only visited Sharks this past summer (so I know the FKK experience) but would like to know which ones would be better to visit in last December.

Thank you for everyone's feedback in advance.

[Sirioja]

Mainhattan is quite dead until 5 pm on Sunday, same for World. On Sunday afternoon, Sharks or GT or Aca.

[Banana Boi]

You will have a blast at Samya on a Friday night. Most of the girls are usually there by 5-6 pm and the chaos starts after 9 pm. Try getting some sessions in before it gets busy. Remember Samya is technically no approach too.... but it isn't. Cologne is a nice city.

You're not a newbie to FKK's so the no approach at ACA should not be a concern for you. I'm sure taxi to ACA from DUSS airport would be less than FRA to World.

[Fkknomad]

How do you get to World without a car?Easy take S8 & RE or ICE from Main HBF to Giessen. Then short 10 euro taxi ride to World.

[TankTank123]

PFI, if you like a smoky and very noisy party, then certainly go to Samya in the evening. If you prefer a more peaceful FKK with totally nude girls, especially hot francophone black girls, then you might want to consider Babylon. Take a train to Bergheim and a taxi from there. Or if you want to save money, then take S12 to Konigsdorf and a bus almost to the doorstep of Babylon, but the bus journey takes about 40 minutes.

[TankTank123]

Easy take S8 & RE or ICE from Main HBF to Giessen. Then short 10 euro taxi ride to World.There are also many direct RE or HLB to Giessen. You will have to change trains if you take S8. I do not recall seeing any ICE trains ever on the schedule. If they are, they must be very rare.

It is hard to get 10 euro fare now unless you have a phone contact. Metered taxis now cost around 23 euros. Minicar is cheaper.

[PayForIt]

There are also many direct RE or HLB to Giessen. You will have to change trains if you take S8.

It is hard to get 10 euro fare now unless you have a phone contact. Metered taxis now cost around 23 euros. Minicar is cheaper.Having done this trip only a couple of months ago I can confirm TankTanks information. I took the S8 and thought I was in for a short cab ride at low cost when I got off at Giessen. Far from it. Just got into a metered cab and ended up giving him 25 euros with a tip. So not a cheap place to get to by public transport. That said, end of night cab back to Frankfurt (stayed at Hilton in centre) was only 65 euros after some bartering.

[Fkknomad]

It is hard to get 10 euro fare now unless you have a phone contact.Yes Minicar.

[PayForIt]

PFI, if you like a smoky and very noisy party, then certainly go to Samya in the evening. If you prefer a more peaceful FKK with totally nude girls, especially hot francophone black girls, then you might want to consider Babylon. Take a train to Bergheim and a taxi from there. Or if you want to save money, then take S12 to Konigsdorf and a bus almost to the doorstep of Babylon, but the bus journey takes about 40 minutes.Not loving the sound of Babylon to be honest and I'm not into very noisy parties (too old for that now). ACA might be the right call after all! I'd have preferred to see Cologne rather than Dusseldorf though. Too many choices. You guys based in Germany don't know how lucky you are!

At this rate I will be going straight to bloody Frankfurt!

[Banana Boi]

At this rate I will be going straight to bloody Frankfurt!Mistake, but ultimately your choice.

Babylon is a very acquired taste (ie. service way over looks). I listened to the hype, visited, and ran. I'm a pure optificker. Must say the girls were super friendly even though I didn't session.

[FormulaOneFan]

Hello guys,

I'm planning to Visit Dusseldorf and Frankfurt in January, what week to expect the girls return from their Holiday! I know 1st week is full of Holidays so girls are expected to go home! Right?

So should I plan my visit on 2nd or 3rd week on January?

ThanksI'll be in country (FRA + DUS area) the 15th - 20th of January. Probably not "ideal" timing, but how it worked out. If your trip overlaps and want to monger together shoot me a PM.

[Vito Corleone]

Drain the energy? Rent a decent car and drive with full speed 200 plus Km / h that's really fun, I drove many time from Aca to World, Oase and Sharks. It took about 2 H if there is not Stau.I agree. Drain energy? Nothing like driving 230-240 km flying on the autobahn. What a rush! OK, the stay can be a major pain just try to avoid rush hour.

[Breadman]

Must needed for a trip is one of those 20000 mah battery packs, makes charging stuff in your locker much safer than plugging something into an outlet. Also using my T-Mobile's free data and texting in over 120 countrys, phone calls are cheap at only 20 cents per min.

[PChew]

I agree. Drain energy? Nothing like driving 230-240 km flying on the autobahn. What a rush! OK, the stay can be a major pain just try to avoid rush hour.Long drive is a drain for me. I usually stay in NRW in a club and sleep in hotel and then check out next morning. Waking up early to check out has already given me a headache, let alone driving for 2 hours. I am not able to fuck if my head is banging.

Driving from Samya to Oase is just under 1. 5 hours so it is manageable and I did this a lot for this year till my favorite girl left Samya earlier. From Aca to Sharks does take a long time, especially I always hit traffic jam near Leverkusen. Haven't done too many times of this long commute but whenever I did, jam took place.

[UltraHappy]

Must needed for a trip is one of those 20000 mah battery packs, makes charging stuff in your locker much safer than plugging something into an outlet. Also using my T-Mobile's free data and texting in over 120 countrys, phone calls are cheap at only 20 cents per min.For better portability, I would recommend a 10,000 mah external battery. I use something like this one for all my trips: http://goo.gl/W8YVox. Anker is a good brand too.

Also very useful for long international plane trips with no power while traveling in peasant class. I find 10,000 mah to be plenty big enough for my needs.

[Nille Copenhagen]

Long drive is a drain for me. I usually stay in NRW in a club and sleep in hotel and then check out next morning. Waking up early to check out has already given me a headache, let alone driving for 2 hours. I am not able to fuck if my head is banging.

Driving from Samya to Oase is just under 1.5 hours so it is manageable and I did this a lot for this year till my favorite girl left Samya earlier. From Aca to Sharks does take a long time, especially I always hit traffic jam near Leverkusen. Haven't done too many times of this long commute but whenever I did, jam took place.You can sleep when you get old. LOL.

Who is your favorite Samya girl that left?

[Banana Boi]

Driving from Samya to Oase is just under 1. 5 hours so it is manageable and I did this a lot for this year till my favorite girl left Samya earlier. From Aca to Sharks does take a long time, especially I always hit traffic jam near Leverkusen. Haven't done too many times of this long commute but whenever I did, jam took place.If you're doing Samya at night and heading to FRA the next day, stay somewhere like Troisdorf. I've done this staying at Holiday Inn Express Cologne Troisdorf. A basic hotel but clean and cheap. Makes your morning drive to FRA a breeze.

Leverkusen traffic sucks. I made the mistake of trying to drive through it at 6 pm one night. Never again. On the positive, I thought it was interesting seeing the Bayer Cross.

[PChew]

If you're doing Samya at night and heading to FRA the next day, stay somewhere like Troisdorf. I've done this staying at Holiday Inn Express Cologne Troisdorf. A basic hotel but clean and cheap. Makes your morning drive to FRA a breeze.

Leverkusen traffic sucks. I made the mistake of trying to drive through it at 6 pm one night. Never again. On the positive, I thought it was interesting seeing the Bayer Cross.Just checked the google. Sounds like a decent place to stay. Thanks a lot for the tips.

I usually stay at Novum Hotel Silence Garden which is on the eastern side of Koln. I then follow the highway towards Gissen for World, Oase and then Sharks from the north.

[Tuber19]

I'll be in country (FRA + DUS area) the 15th - 20th of January. Probably not "ideal" timing, but how it worked out. If your trip overlaps and want to monger together shoot me a PM.I don't know how to send PM, though the dates looks good, my planes is to visit from 15 -22 January. I will go to Aca+Sharks+Oase.

[Marmite34]

Sharks opening at 11 am, with Sandra, Dina, Agnes, Kelli, early working. Many girls arrive around 2/3 pm, best casting in Frankfurt at the moment. At Oase, most of girls arrive around 5 pm.Thank you Sirioja.

Do you know if the rooms in Sharks have mirrors? I am a big fan! Who would you recommend out of those ladies?

[FormulaOneFan]

I don't know how to send PM, though the dates looks good, my planes is to visit from 15 -22 January. I will go to Aca+Sharks+Oase.Ah. I think you have to be a senior member or subscriber to send PMs. We'll figure something out. I'll post more solid schedule when I get closer.

[Banana Boi]

I don't know how to send PMYou have to have a paid subscription to PM.

[Sirioja]

Thank you Sirioja.

Do you know if the rooms in Sharks have mirrors? I am a big fan! Who would you recommend out of those ladies?Mirror room on right side under fishes, in front of kamasutra and SM rooms, at Sharks. Room with red stars on left under fishes.

[Hessen Bub]

Do you know if the rooms in Sharks have mirrors? I am a big fan! Who would you recommend out of those ladies?Most of the rooms have at least one mirror. There's a small room with mirrors all over below the aquarium and there's a new room upstairs with mirrors on all walls.

HB.

[Sirioja]

Because of many MP, I met many exceptionnal girls in FKK, mostly romanian, not more than 8 german top girls, not more than 5 latvian top girls, a few polish, czech, bulgarian, moldovian, italian. Most never tried to upsell, to ask for tip and even don't look for money I gave her after room. But girls do this hard job to make fast money and they know who are easy clients. They may not behave in same way with each client, they don't only sell sex, but also illusion and lies to get the more money they can from each client. With some, they would try to get them as very regular, with some press like a lemon, mainly at the moment, when less and less clients, when summer is over and outside swimming pool too cold now for holidays at FKK.

From my experience, I will never say Raïssa. Cz and Madi. Ro were not honest without any upsell or tip asked, with me.

When Oase became land of upselling, I was surprised prettier girls at Aca don't ask any upsell or tip and can give full very good 30 minutes for only 40 . Last week, Deria. Tu gave me exceptionnal 30 minutes, reminds me somebody 1 year and half ago, and I look forward having her for longer time tomorrow if she comes as I asked her.

For me, the only rules are respect and club rate, and then, just have to find attractive girls which give me more pleasure, after autobahns and not only Kraftwerk song, rather than speaking about other men. Maybe, some prefer men? To speak so much about? Rather than enjoying playing with pretty girls.

[Hessen Bub]

What is this post for? You're posting on a public board, not your personal diary. And you keep repeating yourself over and over again.

HB.

[StarletVoyager]

Assuming I have prepaid my hotel room say as an eg for 7 nights for 300 euros when you check in the hotel requires your credit card for an authorisation just to cover incidental costs such as food and drinks. They block an amount on your account. Does anyone know what this roughly might be on a booking such as above and how the procedure actually works in detail?

[UltraHappy]

Assuming I have prepaid my hotel room say as an eg for 7 nights for 300 euros when you check in the hotel requires your credit card for an authorisation just to cover incidental costs such as food and drinks. They block an amount on your account. Does anyone know what this roughly might be on a booking such as above and how the procedure actually works in detail?http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0002122.html

http://www.in.gov/dfi/blocking.pdf

http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0217-when-company-blocks-your-credit-or-debit-card

http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/card-payment-blocking-by-merchants-1267.php

http://enlightenme.com/hotel-credit-card-blocking/

P.S. why mohab no ask 30 fkk questions in each thread before every trip anymore?

[StarletVoyager]

But I wanted to know what would happen if the room was prepaid for in advance of arrival. Would the block just be on food and drinks then. I always prepay my rooms online and have never had any issues withdrawing all that was available on the very same card during my stay. I have another backup card. Hope that makes sense.

[Sanuk327]

But I wanted to know what would happen if the room was prepaid for in advance of arrival. Would the block just be on food and drinks then. I always prepay my rooms online and have never had any issues withdrawing all that was available on the very same card during my stay. I have another backup card. Hope that makes sense.Each hotel has different policy.

[XXL]

Thank you Sirioja.

Do you know if the rooms in Sharks have mirrors? I am a big fan! For mirrors I recommend FKK Palace. I remember big mirrors spanning the width of the bed and looking like two-way mirrors.

Most FKKs will have at least some rooms with mirrors. Oase also has many rooms with mirrors, Sharks not so many if my memory serves me right.

[Hermann666]

But I wanted to know what would happen if the room was prepaid for in advance of arrival. Would the block just be on food and drinks then. I always prepay my rooms online and have never had any issues withdrawing all that was available on the very same card during my stay. I have another backup card. Hope that makes sense.What's the point of prepaying the hotel? You can always make a reservation in advance and pay at check out without paying anything in advance. If you book early enough the price would be the same. As for your question about the reservation on the credit card for extras. Most of the time the hotel just requires your card details. They don't usually reserve an amount of money on your card.

[UltraHappy]

But I wanted to know what would happen if the room was prepaid for in advance of arrival. Would the block just be on food and drinks then. I always prepay my rooms online and have never had any issues withdrawing all that was available on the very same card during my stay. I have another backup card. Hope that makes sense.If you are concerned about these blocking practices, then you must do what those articles recommend. You must ASK the hotel in question what their practice is, and how much, if any, they will be blocking on your card. This is the ONLY way to know the answer to your question.

Obviously, the ISG forum readers will not know the specific credit card blocking of a particular, unnamed hotel at some unnamed location.

It is odd that your credit card limits are so low that you would have to worry about this.

[Puttex]

I have only been to Artemis an di think the lineup was pretty good and I like young skinna girls the most.

But you guys who have been to many different FKKs whould you say any other FKK have beter looking lineup?

I know its in the eyes of the beholder but if I like young girls lets say in the younger 20's you have any other place you recomend to me?

[Sirioja]

I have only been to Artemis an di think the lineup was pretty good and I like young skinna girls the most.

But you guys who have been to many different FKKs whould you say any other FKK have beter looking lineup?

I know its in the eyes of the beholder but if I like young girls lets say in the younger 20's you have any other place you recomend to me?For natural, slim beauties, Sharks and Acapulco, at the moment.

For silicon, GT and Palace Frankfurt.

[PussyLiccker]

If you read the terms and conditions of it will say certain percentage of the total rental cost or the price agreed upon online. For example, it will say additional 20% of the total rental cost for airport or railstation fee for rental to be located in those places. It may say minimum 50 or 65 Euros if 20% is less. So, you'd have to read the terms and conditions to see what is charged in addition to the rate you are getting. So, lower priced rental rate may just be lower than others because the location fee is not not included in the rate. Perhaps places like Darmstadt hbf doesn't have the location fee in the terms, and central station would. So, you'd have to read the terms for additional charges.

[Frozty]

If you read the terms and conditions of it will say certain percentage of the total rental cost or the price agreed upon online. For example, it will say additional 20% of the total rental cost for airport or railstation fee for rental to be located in those places. It may say minimum 50 or 65 Euros if 20% is less. So, you'd have to read the terms and conditions to see what is charged in addition to the rate you are getting. So, lower priced rental rate may just be lower than others because the location fee is not not included in the rate. Perhaps places like Darmstadt hbf doesn't have the location fee in the terms, and central station would. So, you'd have to read the terms for additional charges.I am constantly disappointed by car hire in Germany. For the last three rentals I have had to contact the company to get them to remove charges. Last time I was charged the excess insurance even though I declined. I have also been charged a refueling fee when returning the car with a full tank.

I don't have these problems in France or Spain, where car hire is also cheaper anyway.

[Carpe Viam]

I am constantly disappointed by car hire in Germany. For the last three rentals I have had to contact the company to get them to remove charges.Is it possible de mention the names here (I've no intention of obstruction of business) ?

In Germany, I had same problem with Enterprise at airport of Frankfurt (two times). With Avis and Hertz I've no problem.

[Citizen Kane]

I am constantly disappointed by car hire in Germany. For the last three rentals I have had to contact the company to get them to remove charges. Last time I was charged the excess insurance even though I declined. I have also been charged a refueling fee when returning the car with a full tank.

I don't have these problems in France or Spain, where car hire is also cheaper anyway.Which company / companies?

[Breadman]

Which company / companies?If you Google dollar and thrifty you'll read about this all the time. Try going to kemwel and booking from hertz.

[Frozty]

Which company / companies?Each time was Avis. I have kept using them as it is the BA partner and usually results in a discount for my flight. I have signed up for their loyalty program to see if that helps to improve things.

On a recent visit, the women at the desk tried to charge me an extra €4 per day because I had a diesel car. Apparently because it was more efficient on fuel! She also said that my booking voucher was only a contribution towards the cost of the hire. I refused both charges.

[PussyLiccker]

The issue with Dollar Thrifty is that on their terms it say you are required to purchase their insurance unless they freeze a huge sum on your credit card. They will do this if you don't have proof from the card issuing bank that your credit card covers insurance. And then, they will offer much higher rental rate. After they check my car out, I make sure I get a receipt and check the charges. If there are any charges that is not kosher in the statement, one option would be take it up with the credit card company.

[Citizen Kane]

If you Google dollar and thrifty you'll read about this all the time. Try going to kemwel and booking from hertz.In the past I've only booked with Budget and Enterprise via Autoeurope. Budget I've never had a problem with. With Enterprise there was a misunderstanding (I asked and paid for a diesel and got a petrol). After getting home I phoned them and within 3 days was refunded the diesel surcharge.

[Banana Boi]

In Germany I've used SixT, Enterprise, and Avis. Enterprise was a pain since you have to shuttle to the other terminal. If I remember correctly they threw on an 800 euro charge on my card like PL mentioned, even though I'm VIP with them in America. Was not pleased after 2 times so tried Avis. Got a shitbox Hyundai J30 (?) and never returned. Rented solely from SixT after that and will never look elsewhere. Best thing about SixT is they never have the car class you request so they start offering you cars like M3's for no additional charge. I always hope for my Dacia but sometimes I just have to putt around Germany without it.

[PussyLiccker]

AutoEurope used to be great. I could rely on whatever rate is contracted. That was until they switched up their business model like other sites. Sixt is great. I did rent from Dollar again, but from Schipol in NL instead of DE, and no issues like in DE with the freeze. Matter a fact, I don't think they even charged the Airpot fees. At Schipol, they were with Hertz.

[PussyLiccker]

Best thing about SixT is they never have the car class you request so they start offering you cars like M3's for no additional charge. I always hope for my Dacia but sometimes I just have to putt around Germany without it.M3? That would so fun. Best I got was bigger sedan with Diesel which is efficient fuel economy. I don't mind a Polo, more power than the dang Corza. I do cheap out with rentals though.

[Citizen Kane]

Each time was Avis. I have kept using them as it is the BA partner and usually results in a discount for my flight. I have signed up for their loyalty program to see if that helps to improve things.

On a recent visit, the women at the desk tried to charge me an extra 4 per day because I had a diesel car. Apparently because it was more efficient on fuel! She also said that my booking voucher was only a contribution towards the cost of the hire. I refused both charges.Which airport? Budget and Avis are the same company / desk (only a lot cheaper) so I'm quite surprised.

I fly BA all the time. How much of a discount are you getting on the flights by booking Avis? I know normally Avis are pretty expensive so unless you're getting really good deal on flights it could be a bit of a false economy. Try http://www.auto-europe.co.uk/ for a comparison.

Regarding diesel, if you ask for one I think most companies charge extra. If they give you one because that's all they have left there should be no charge and the line about your voucher only being part of your contribution is total BS. If you ask at the desk for something that it says on your voucher is extra, obviously you'll get charged extra. If it says it included, you're being ripped off.

[Citizen Kane]

AutoEurope used to be great. I could rely on whatever rate is contracted. That was until they switched up their business model like other sites. Sixt is great. I did rent from Dollar again, but from Schipol in NL instead of DE, and no issues like in DE with the freeze. Matter a fact, I don't think they even charged the Airpot fees. At Schipol, they were with Hertz.I've just looked at Sixt for my next trip (pick up Stuttgart airport, drop off Frankfurt airport, 7 days). Sixt £204.87. Global Drive £92 plus 20 euro at the airport for the one way surcharge (roughly £106 total). Sixt is from their website. Do you have a cheaper alternative site for them?

[PussyLiccker]

I've just looked at Sixt for my next trip (pick up Stuttgart airport, drop off Frankfurt airport, 7 days). Sixt 204.87. Global Drive 92 plus 20 euro at the airport for the one way surcharge (roughly 106 total). Sixt is from their website. Do you have a cheaper alternative site for them?I think this depends on the dates, and really even time. You will notice a change in price on the time you put in. I just use sites like Kayak or Rentals, and look at the terms. Sixt can be higher, but if you have some sort of membership like a platinum card, you get a percentage off in rent. In order to get this, you'd have to rent so much in a year span I believe. For a low rate, it's not the best option as it could be high at times, but more reliable.

[Frozty]

Which airport? Budget and Avis are the same company / desk (only a lot cheaper) so I'm quite surprised.

I fly BA all the time. How much of a discount are you getting on the flights by booking Avis? I know normally Avis are pretty expensive so unless you're getting really good deal on flights it could be a bit of a false economy. Try http://www.auto-europe.co.uk/ for a comparison.

Regarding diesel, if you ask for one I think most companies charge extra. If they give you one because that's all they have left there should be no charge and the line about your voucher only being part of your contribution is total BS. If you ask at the desk for something that it says on your voucher is extra, obviously you'll get charged extra. If it says it included, you're being ripped off.Frankfurt. Everywhere else in Germany I fly easyjet. When booking through BA, sometimes the cost of the flight plus car is less than flight only. I never specify fuel type so don't expect to pay extra. This was the only time that I've ever been charged.

I am using auto-europe for a trip to Spain this week. €31 for the week for a vw golf. It's that much for a day in Germany.

For Germany, I try for Easyjet + autoeurope + Ibis. Usually the cheapest options.

[Optimist]

Which company / companies?I always rent and have had occasional problems, but it is only Dollar and Thrifty who seem to have various organised scams and with whom I have had serious problems.

I avoid the cheapest companies like Buchbinder, simply as I assume they make up for their low prices in other less desirable ways.

[Breadman]

I landed in frankfurt, grab the car and away I go. Hop on the ramp to take me to the autobahn and this idiot tourist is trying to do a uturn. Bet the wife was screaming "it's one way " .

[Banana Boi]

Which are the earliest opening clubs in NRW? My flight lands at 8 am and I doubt my hotel will have a room available at that time. I know there's GT at 11 am but was wondering if there are earlier options.

[PussyLiccker]

Which are the earliest opening clubs in NRW? My flight lands at 8 am and I doubt my hotel will have a room available at that time. I know there's GT at 11 am but was wondering if there are earlier options.Both Aca opens at 10. Gold has 20 Euros entry. Looks like girls show up early at Gold since the entry is like 15 Euros for them. Probably worth a visit since close to airport, cheap entry, and girls showing up early.


Stopped by to try my luck and see if Denisa was still there. And luck I did have, saw her almost as soon as I was changed and walking towards the shower. Took her for an hour and found out she prefers the new Aca setup over the Panthers setup. She said the food is better, 3 buffets compared to one meal. And for the girls they charge 15 for 10 am entry as opposed to 35 for noon and later so its an incentive for them to show up early. She also mentioned that she usually works Tuesday to Saturday and occasionally takes the Tuesday off. Needless to say, had a great time qith Denisa.

[Sirioja]

Which are the earliest opening clubs in NRW? My flight lands at 8 am and I doubt my hotel will have a room available at that time. I know there's GT at 11 am but was wondering if there are earlier options.Aca with early entry 30 , can have breakfast to wait for really pretty girls around 2 pm.

Also Freude 39 at 10 am.

[Free Dude]

Which are the earliest opening clubs in NRW? My flight lands at 8 am and I doubt my hotel will have a room available at that time. I know there's GT at 11 am but was wondering if there are earlier options.The earliest clubs open is 10. You'll find that clubs like Luderlounge, Neby and Freude will be in full working mode within an hour. Maybe Babylon as well, for the bigger clubs GT is probably the only real choice. Aca gold will have a decent number of girls as well of course, while Aca itself typically stays dead till at least early afternoon.

[Downandup]

I avoid the cheapest companies like Buchbinder, simply as I assume they make up for their low prices in other less desirable ways.I ended up with them through a booking with Auto Europe, the rate was cheap for the smallest car type and I ended up with an Opel Astra. There were no problems at all. I guess I might have paid extra if I wanted supplemental insurance at €10 per day, wanted a GPS or I wanted to drive outside Germany.

[UltraHappy]

Don't use Amex for rentals greater than 15 days (or for back-to-back rental). For Mastercard and Discover, you better read the fine print if you are considering rentals greater than 15 days.

http://www.smartertravel.com/travel-advice/will-credit-card-insurance-cover-back-to-back-car-rentals.html?id=26102459

With VISA, back-to-back rentals are no problem apparently.

[Trans Atlantic]

Don't use Amex for rentals greater than 15 days (or for back-to-back rental). For Mastercard and Discover, you better read the fine print if you are considering rentals greater than 15 days.

http://www.smartertravel.com/travel-advice/will-credit-card-insurance-cover-back-to-back-car-rentals.html?id=26102459

With VISA, back-to-back rentals are no problem apparently.Where does the 15 days fit in? AMEX US policy is 30 days.

[UltraHappy]

Where does the 15 days fit in? AMEX US policy is 30 days.Ok, you got me. I can't read real good!

The key to keep in mind with Amex is that consecutive rentals within a certain time period count towards the 30 day limit even if the consecutive rentals aren't back-to-back. Can be very tricky.

[Trans Atlantic]

Ok, you got me. I can't read real good!

The key to keep in mind with Amex is that consecutive rentals within a certain time period count towards the 30 day limit even if the consecutive rentals aren't back-to-back. Can be very tricky.Thanks. There is clause to prevent coverage after the 30 days are up under certain conditions. Just rent for exactly 30 days at a time.

I personally forgo using AMEX to rent despite it being my primary card and use Citi Mastercard (Prestige or Premier) to rent. Citi's T&Cs are shorter and no disclaimer that you should call to verify if certain models of vehicles are covered. They cover all makes/models as long as their max payout is $100K USD.

Length of Coverage
Car Rental Loss and Damage Insurance covers eligible Rental Autos when rented under a written rental agreement from a Rental Company for no more than 30 consecutive days.

Note: In no event shall coverage be provided when the Cardmember rents a Rental Auto beyond 30 consecutive days from the same Rental Company, regardless of whether the original agreement is extended, or a new written agreement is entered into, or a new vehicle is rented.

Additionally, no coverage will be provided when the Primary Renter rents a Rental Auto for more than 30 consecutive days out of a 45 day period within the same geographic market/location (75 mile radius).

[PussyLiccker]

Note: In no event shall coverage be provided when the Cardmember rents a Rental Auto beyond 30 consecutive days from the same Rental Company, regardless of whether the original agreement is extended, or a new written agreement is entered into, or a new vehicle is rented.

Additionally, no coverage will be provided when the Primary Renter rents a Rental Auto for more than 30 consecutive days out of a 45 day period within the same geographic market/location (75 mile radius).Would this mean 29 consecutive, and iterate no problem or sum of consecutives cannot exceed 30 days in a span of 45 days? What is written clearly says 30 consecutive days.

[Breadman]

Would this mean 29 consecutive, and iterate no problem or sum of consecutives cannot exceed 30 days in a span of 45 days? What is written clearly says 30 consecutive days.I had a credit card that would only cover a car rental 15 days or under, so read what each card will cover.

[Silikon]

Hi,

I am looking for bimbos / silicone-titted girls offering AO.

I don't care about AO clubs as there are no bimbos in these clubs.

Anybody experienced AO with silicone girls in big NRW or Hessen clubs like Golden Time, Oceans, Sharks, Palace. ?

Only PM please. I have a few names to share too.

[UltraHappy]

I had a credit card that would only cover a car rental 15 days or under, so read what each card will cover.VISA is typically 15 days for domestic but 30 days for International.

[UltraHappy]

Would this mean 29 consecutive, and iterate no problem or sum of consecutives cannot exceed 30 days in a span of 45 days? What is written clearly says 30 consecutive days.When you read all the Amex provisions together, it means:

You can't do a consecutive rental for more than 30 days and still be covered by the card's rental insurance. So, renting for 31 days means no insurance coverage.

You can't rent a car for 26 days and then 3 days later, rent another car from a rental agency only 7 miles away for a rental period of 8 days (because 8+26 is 34, which is more than 30 days accumulated within the maximum 45 day window -- indeed, in this example, the 34 rental days were accumulated over a 37 day period).

[PussyLiccker]

Question for you flight experts out there.

I'm looking to fly to Madrid, Spain and looking for good deals on the short flight in Europe. What are some good websites / airlines to look into? Anything that has comprehensive search specific to discount airlines would be ideal.

Thanks!

PL.

[Shark16]

Easy Jet. Ryanair. German Wings. Air Berlin. But there are more. Not all go to Madrid.

http://www.cheapflightnow.com

[Citizen Kane]

http://www.skyscanner.net/

[Member #4581]

Vueling has pretty cheap flights to Spain. I don't remember if I flew to Madrid on Vueling, I definitely remember going to BCN from Frankfurt, I think the flight was something like 29 euro. Ridiculous, the cab to the airport cost more.


Question for you flight experts out there.

I'm looking to fly to Madrid, Spain and looking for good deals on the short flight in Europe. What are some good websites / airlines to look into? Anything that has comprehensive search specific to discount airlines would be ideal.

Thanks!

PL.

[The Cane]

Vueling has pretty cheap flights to Spain. I don't remember if I flew to Madrid on Vueling, I definitely remember going to BCN from Frankfurt, I think the flight was something like 29 euro. Ridiculous, the cab to the airport cost more.I can vouch for Vueling. They're a solid little airline that can get you easily all around Spain both quickly and safely.

[Hessen Bub]

Low cost carriers like Ryanair usually fly to Girona, 90 km from BCN, so check the details.

HB.

[Frozty]

Low cost carriers like Ryanair usually fly to Girona, 90 km from BCN, so check the details.

HB.Ryanair have really cut back on flights to Girona, particular outside of the summer season. It used to be a major hub for them, but it's a problem to get a flight this time of year. Nice town though.

[PussyLiccker]

http://www.skyscanner.net/The award for the cheapest ticket found goes to CK. Congratulations, you won a visit to the Palace. :D

[Citizen Kane]

The award for the cheapest ticket found goes to CK. Congratulations, you won a visit to the Palace. :DBlack Hawk down!

[PussyLiccker]

Some bits of info I collected.

A good explaination I got as to why Oase might be down from the past is that there are a lot more clubs with clientel distibuted over more clubs than in the past. So, more clubs, and less clientel to those clubs that had more in the past.

Last visit to Finca, I've noticed girls looking the types from World. I've heard Finca is same management as world.

What I've heard is YinYang is more Turks and that gave a negative connotation from a punter as a downside. With GT door policy, the Turkish in the region has to go somewhere.

[Sirioja]

Less clients at Oase, at World and at GT, and more at Sharks, just because of quality. Some go where beer is free, but most go where girls are good for look and services. At the moment, Oase is improving for girls.

[PussyLiccker]

Sudlander is German and is referring to Turkish by WGs. Not used positively by girls.

One girl said told me German and Dutch are, I forget how she described. Straight up? But, she had run into a Turkish does everything and not pay the extra. Hence, her stereotype, and likely experienced girls have run into those types that happens to be Turkish.

Girls prefer clients based on experiences.

[PussyLiccker]

I don't know how true this is, but a WG that left World told me she preferred another club because the clientel. She would have to session with a Hell at world.

[Hessen Bub]

Don't believe everything the girls tell you. "Südländer" doesn't refer to Turkish only, but as they are the biggest "foreign population" in Germany most girls set Turkish ="Südländer".

There's a surplus of clubs in Germany. Years ago there was no Mainhattan, Sharks, Rom, Royal, and&the, Feigenblatt, Club69. So there were more clients in the existing clubs (Oase, World, Palace). Now the number of clubs and girls has increased, but the number of clients hasn't increased linearly. And clients don't spend money as they did years ago, they don't visit as often or if they do they session less or spend less money per session.

HB.

[Sirioja]

I don't know how true this is, but a WG that left World told me she preferred another club because the clientel. She would have to session with a Hell at world.Hells guests problem for some girls is not only at World, but also at Sharks. Some girls are afraid of them, because they are muscle men and girls know they can't complain to the staff about them. Last Winter, I went to the staff who know me very well, to ask them: no hells guests for my girl, because she said me she was afraid of them. I know she had no problem about them at this moment, but as I was so often said to harass her for this and also about drunk Russian or french, so now, I can only wish her to never have problems with them, but can't do anything for her now. But I m sure her other regulars take care of her like me, being so courageous.

[Craiova]

There's a surplus of clubs in Germany. Years ago there was no Mainhattan, Sharks, Rom, Royal, and&the, Feigenblatt, Club69. So there were more clients in the existing clubs (Oase, World, Palace). Now the number of clubs and girls has increased, but the number of clients hasn't increased linearly. And clients don't spend money as they did years ago, they don't visit as often or if they do they session less or spend less money per session.So far I agree with all here. But one point I see different. Over the last years we have every year an increase of International guests at clubs for instance many Asians, Americans and from many European countries. Ten years ago at Oase I saw around 80% locals and only 20% international guests. Nowadays is completly opposite only max. 20% locals and around 80% international guests. And this is now same at Oase, Palace and Mainhattan and almost same conditions at Sharks. World comes close to this. Germany with it's FKK clubs is now a top destination for P6 worldwide. Many international business guys enjoy the evening in German clubs. Asian guys comes in group with more than 10 guys and a guide! Sometimes in the evening in the clubs. I know many Americans, Scandinavians or Italiens comming for some days to Germany only for FKK clubs, some guys spend even whole annual vacation at German FKK clubs. Without all this new international guests from the Frankfurt big5 clubs would maybe only survive two! Yep Germans spend less money at clubs but international compensate this. And unfortunately many of this international guests reduce the average service level in the clubs.

[Member #4581]

If US or China were geographically contiguous to Germany, these clubs would be inundated with Americans and Chinese. Especially with where euro is these days. Even in my limited experience, I see the international component growing. A couple of years ago, I saw a smaller number of foreigner types at Sharks; on a recent visit, that number was clearly much higher. As awareness of these clubs grows, I bet the international attendance graph will only head to the top right corner.

In a free market, prices should adjust. Artificial price controls only lead to distortions. I understand, from a local point of view it can appear that services got degraded, but the reality is that with the new supply / demand, that service from a few years ago is no longer available at that price. Since price was kept artificially flat, service degraded. If the European economy had been stronger, my view is that prices might have gone up by now. On the other hand, as Craiova astutely observed, supply could well have been cut in terms of number of clubs, if not for the international demand.

[Craiova]

I understand, from a local point of view it can appear that services got degraded, but the reality is that with the new supply / demand, that service from a few years ago is no longer available at that priceYep you are right I should make it clearer and say average service level is now lower concerning a standard 50 euro session. I still get same top class sex like before but quite often only if I spend more.

[Optimist]

My impressions.

When it was only Atlantis, World, Oase I seemed to come across many more US visitors than nowadays. Now I find a higher proportion of German residents than years ago. But then I don't go to the clubs where the tour groups Craiova talks about go

The numbers of men attending each club has collapsed generally as so many new clubs opened, as HB says.

I don't think low service level is a reflection of low charges. I think that paradoxically the fewer men in a club the lower the service. Maybe the low number of customers tends to destroy the girls motivations. However there is top rate service to be found especially if one finds the popular girls. Because they are sweeping up all the customers they are motivated, enjoy their work, and give good service just like in the mythical good old days.

I still always go for 50 euro sessions on a first meeting and rarely find poor service. When I do I think it is maybe partly a reflection of my increasing age

[Sirioja]

Many of this international guests reduce the average service level in the clubs.Just have to see how many girls notice and run to these easy clients, for easy job: Asian, Italian, american expected for tips, Turkish for fast rabbit sex. So few WG have stamina to work for sex for 1 hour.

[Hessen Bub]

There are other foreigners now than 10 years ago. Atlantis was full of foreigners from the US and other countries, the parking lot full of non German license plates. There are far more first time visitors and one time visitors. These are the clients who tend to pay too much. They don't know the price and they are avoiding confrontations with the girls. So they overpay. But they don't care, they are only here once. Or twice a year. And even if paying double the price they are getting far better service than in their home countries for still low cost. I'm okay with the overpaying, it subsides my sessions with the girls. I don't like the fact that this behavior (overpaying an accepting sub standard service) may affect overall service levels and prices for regulars.

I still find excellent service for 50€/30 min or 100€/60 min. And even at Atlantis there were good and bad service providers. I remember a German board dividing Atlantis girls into tops and flops, and the flop list wasn't that short.

HB.

[Akibono]

Don't believe everything the girls tell you. "Sdlnder" doesn't refer to Turkish only, but as they are the biggest "foreign population" in Germany most girls set Turkish ="Sdlnder".

There's a surplus of clubs in Germany. Years ago there was no Mainhattan, Sharks, Rom, Royal, and&the, Feigenblatt, Club69. So there were more clients in the existing clubs (Oase, World, Palace). Now the number of clubs and girls has increased, but the number of clients hasn't increased linearly. And clients don't spend money as they did years ago, they don't visit as often or if they do they session less or spend less money per session.

HB.Do you think the new laws in January are going to affect the number of girls at the clubs? I heard a few German girls are working elsewhere so they do not have to register their names.

[KaveMan]

RE: Foreigners from USA.

Once you factor is cost of Airfare / Hotel / Food for 3-5 days. Its costs exactly the same per Hour in USA as FKK.

Only benefit is legal liability and confidentiality.

In NYC / LA you can have 1 HR in your own home for $350-500 from Eros or any major escort service for same quality Gal as FKK.

Being in FKK club and seeing all nude 25-100 Gals is only novelty.