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More often arrested for speed, in Kaiserlautern, Mainz, close to Stuttgart, by BMW Polizei. Good thing in Germany is if you don't have alcohol, even much over speed, they don't treat you like a criminal like in France, but they prefer to arrest foreigners than Germans.I meant, only on autobahns, often with speed limit, 130 around Kaiserlautern, 100 through Mainz but it was a bad day, weather became bad in Zermatt so too dangerous, couldn't see ice holes, so decided to go to Bunny World Party on 8 April 2014, so a few kilometers when you leave Taesch / Zermatt at 4 pm, so 205 controlled through Mainz, 210 € and they give me a bill. In the night I had Oana for sporty sex in the downstairs bathroom. It was first day for Madi but I didn't notice her. 120 limited around Stuttgart. With works everywhere and many speed limits, I'm faster in France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy and maybe also Switzerland, and more and more crashes in Germany now.
Banana Boi
09-16-16, 14:31
Do you know that the center pedal on your car is for braking?There is no such thing as braking on a Porsche.
There is no such thing as braking on a Porsche.The most powerful brakes, but 911 is made to push the engine, a race car which like to breathe.
Citizen Kane
09-16-16, 17:25
There is no such thing as braking on a Porsche.Just ask James Dean, Ryan Dunn, Paul Walker...
Everyone always talks about 4-6 black girls at Babylon. I'd like to point out that I've seen at least 5 black girls in one day at GT, 4 at PHG and the other NRW clubs will have the odd one too.
I'm looking for a pleasant opportunity in FKK clubs to get my friend + balls treated well while may a second is operating my back end.
To all experienced club visitors, is there any recommendation for me, in which club I find tendentiously this service?
Any information is welcome!
Everyone always talks about 4-6 black girls at Babylon. I'd like to point out that I've seen at least 5 black girls in one day at GT, 4 at PHG and the other NRW clubs will have the odd one too.Two at Sharks yesterday. Usually two or three at Artemis.
There are usually 2-3 black girls in every single club I visit. Usually I am not into them. The best looking one ATM is perhaps the one claiming to be dominican at Oase. A 7 or an 8 maybe. First one I've had on my shortlist in 2 years probably. I feel average standard on black girls are too low and especially at fkk's. Did session with Eva (ken) at Oase a few years ago. And a SA girl at Artemis (who is still around). Eva was pretty good, but I got the feeling they were both a bit racist... A bit too much fat or even too much muscle on most...
Two at Sharks yesterday. Usually two or three at Artemis.3 black girls at GT and 2 at PHG today.
Hessen Bub
09-17-16, 06:44
3 black girls at GT and 2 at PHG today.There were at least 6 or 7 black girls at GT on Wednesday. Palace had 4 this week during Automechanica.
HB.
There were at least 6 or 7 black girls at GT on Wednesday.
HB.Hey not bad for a racist club! Yes there are on average 3-5 coloured girls in GT, including mulattos (Cuba, domrep ecc.).
Citizen Kane
09-17-16, 09:50
Hey not bad for a racist club! Yes there are on average 3-5 coloured girls in GT, including mulattos (Cuba, domrep ecc.).The PC phrase is 'hookers of colour'.
The PC phrase is 'hookers of colour'.As opposed to the unfortunately very frequently encountered 'colourless' hooker.
I'm looking for a pleasant opportunity in FKK clubs to get my friend + balls treated well while may a second is operating my back end.
To all experienced club visitors, is there any recommendation for me, in which club I find tendentiously this service?
Any information is welcome!You will find it difficult to get at an FKK, it would involved asking each girl if they do it and even then it may not meet with your expectations. Try looking for erotic massages instead. I think it's easily available in the Berlin, Dusseldorf & Cologne massage studios.
As opposed to the unfortunately very frequently encountered 'colourless' hooker.Would that make blacks the 'hookerless color'? : p
I think it is supply and demand also
3 black girls at GT and 2 at PHG today.They are as boring as Sylvana. They don't understand when we don't want.
German politicians approve new law making it illegal to have sex with prostitutes without a condom.
German politicians approve new law making it illegal to have sex with prostitutes without a condom.Here's as English report:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-prostitution-law-condoms-sex-workers-bundesrat-vote-approved-date-comes-in-brothels-illegal-a7326056.html
As of July 1 every prostitute will be required to register with local authorities, attend a health advice session at least once per year and required to use a condom.
I can't see many prostitutes being willing to register as such so where are they going to get the girls? And even BBBJ will be illegal.
The Independent has an article surrounding this topic as well today, and it ends by stating this:
' Some states have subsequently brought in their own regulations, including mandatory condom use already in place in Bavaria and Saarland. '.
So I have to ask, how is the owo policy at Finca Erotica (a Saarland FKK) or the other Saarland clubs?
The Independent has an article surrounding this topic as well today, and it ends by stating this:
' Some states have subsequently brought in their own regulations, including mandatory condom use already in place in Bavaria and Saarland. '.
So I have to ask, how is the owo policy at Finca Erotica (a Saarland FKK)?At Finca, BBBJ and DFK for 50/30 mn, no upsell from fresh Romanian beauties.
The Independent has an article surrounding this topic as well today, and it ends by stating this:
' Some states have subsequently brought in their own regulations, including mandatory condom use already in place in Bavaria and Saarland. '.
So I have to ask, how is the owo policy at Finca Erotica (a Saarland FKK) or the other Saarland clubs?The condom part is basically unenforceable unless you are going to have someone watching every time someone has sex. But the girls would probably charge extra because it's forbidden.
The real issue is going to be the fact that now the working girls will have to register and attend health advice sessions. How many will want to have a record of being a prostitute?
So I have to ask, how is the owo policy at Finca Erotica (a Saarland FKK) or the other Saarland clubs?You are such a FKK club expert, Finca Erotica is in Rheinland Pfalz.
And the new law with fine up to 50.000 euro only for guys has other level than Bavaria and Saarland Hygieneverordnung, no one took this really serious so far. New law will change this.
Hessen Bub
09-23-16, 21:40
You are such a FKK club expert, Finca Erotica is in Rheinland Pfalz.Yep, Herr Kolben is our specialist on German clubs: Geography. Line ups. Service levels. Legislation.
BBBJ is standard in Bavarian and Saarland FKK. CIM will be difficult with the new national law banning BBBJ. You can come in the condom in her mouth. Saves you 50€. So clubbing will get a lot cheaper for many guys.
HB.
You are such a FKK club expert, Finca Erotica is in Rheinland Pfalz.LOL, ok. Make that Paradise Saarbrucken then. Should be in Saarland at least. And good thing Saarland is so small then. Too bad it isnt even smaller with those kind of regulations, lol...
Funny how you and HB takes this thing personal. Never said I was an expert, deffinately not on legislations, and I suck with names. Feels like the two of you feel you are experts though...
But I wonder how many guys will even risk bbbj if they can get fined 10 000e for cim... just a tiny bit of precum and she can bust you...
The real issue is going to be the fact that now the working girls will have to register and attend health advice sessions. How many will want to have a record of being a prostitute?I think they need to do this when working at gogo's in thailand, saunas in macau etc etc. Doesn't seem to hurt the line ups over there. But could be different in europe. Maybe less part time german girls?
Hessen Bub
09-23-16, 22:13
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But I wonder how many guys will even risk bbbj if they can get fined 10 000e for cim... just a tiny bit of precum and she can bust you...You can get fined 50.000 EUR for BBBJ. Theoretically. Don't think it will ever happen.
HB.
You can get fined 50.000 EUR for BBBJ. Theoretically. Don't think it will ever happen.
HB.Yeah, if they impose the same rates for all types of misconduct. Maybe it is a good time for the FKK's to install a new set of locks at the room doors. But then that could harm the safety of the girls too. Or a new trick with using a torn condom during BBBJ. Wonder how the police would act on that excuse. Good days might be over in Germany... Austria next?
UltraHappy
09-23-16, 23:10
Or a new trick with using a torn condom during BBBJ. Wonder how the police would act on that excuse. Brilliant! Haha.
Ok, I am having some difficulties reading the first two parts here, but the 3rd one only talks about chance of pregnancy (which should leave out BBBJ's):
H) 32 Absatz 3 Nummer 1 und 2 wird durch die folgenden Nummern 1 bis 3 ersetzt:
1. Unter Hinweis auf die Gelegenheit zum Geschlechtsverkehr ohne Kon-.
Dom, auch wenn der Hinweis in mittelbarer oder sprachlich verdeckter.
Form erfolgt, 2. In einer Weise, die nach Art der Darstellung, nach Inhalt oder Umfang.
Oder nach Art des Trgermediums und seiner Verbreitung geeignet ist.
Schutzbedrftige Rechtsganother site der Allgemeinheit, insbesondere den Ju-.
Gendschutz, konkret zu beeintrchtigen oder.
3. unter Hinweis auf die Gelegenheit zum Geschlechtsverkehr mit Schwan-.
Geren, auch wenn der Hinweis in mittelbarer oder sprachlich verdeckter.
Form erfolgt. ".
So if anyone native to Germany wants to translate this, it would be great:).
http://www.bundesrat.de/SharedDocs/drucksachen/2016/0401-0500/457-16.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=1
Found the link in that Independent article.
You can get fined 50.000 EUR for BBBJ. Theoretically. Don't think it will ever happen.
HB.If anybody here (or anywhere) intends to disobey the no BBBJ law, then it probably would not be a good idea to talk about it too much openly here. That might only invite or challenge LE to try to get "tough" and attempt to make some arrests and examples of some select poor mongers. If there shall be disobedience, then let it be done underground and silently acknowledged behind the scenes.
You can get fined 50.000 EUR for BBBJ. Theoretically. Don't think it will ever happen.
HB.LOL! Yes! Much cheaper! As in $0 !
So this doesn't come into force until July 2017 ? Time to plan a trip!
Mat the Rat
09-24-16, 01:17
Ok, I am having some difficulties reading the first two parts here, but the 3rd one only talks about chance of pregnancy (which should leave out BBBJ's): The 1st rule prohibits any advertising of sex without condom in any way including any covert terms, like "special French", "French total" or using asterix like "be*BJ".
The 2nd rule I don't understand completely. It states that your advertisement must not endanger any object that is in special need of protection by law, EG. Youths. But it can actually mean anything like decent code of conduct, moral etc. In the end they can disallow anything the public finds offensive or scandalous.
The 3rd rule does not deal with the risk of getting pregnant. It actually prohibits advertising sex with pregnant women.
Google translate attempt:
H) 32 paragraph 3, point 1 and 2 is replaced by the following paragraphs 1 to 3:
"1. Having regard to the opportunity to have sexual intercourse without con-.
Dom, even if the reference in indirect or covert language.
Form occurs; 2. In a way that the type of representation, by content or scope.
Or is suitable to the type of carrier medium and its distribution.
Vulnerable legal interests of the public, especially the young people.
Quietly protection, specifically affecting or.
3. Recalling the opportunity to have sexual intercourse with pregnancy.
Geren, even if the reference in indirect or covert language.
Mold. ".
Google got to hate how these legal texts are written. It is clear that condoms will be required to protect against pregnancy. But does it state that it should be on at all interactions? Even if oral is defined as sex in Germany, does this paragraph really define this condom requirement around 'sex'? All black and white?
Google got to hate how these legal texts are written. It is clear that condoms will be required to protect against pregnancy. But does it state that it should be on at all interactions? Even if oral is defined as sex in Germany, does this paragraph really define this condom requirement around 'sex'? All black and white?In my opinion. Yes, with certainty, condoms for BJ will be required. The aim of these laws is not to protect girls. The aim of the laws is to attack the sex industry. Knowing that BBBJ is such a big part of what makes Germany an international sex tourism location, they will certainly ban it. This will also be a popular change with the girls I'd imagine, unless their business drops off.
The few girls I have talked to about this hates it. Especially those who offer CIM. And their income will deffinately fall... one girl even said, 'who cares? we can still do owo and cim'
But ofcourse you are right regarding the aim of the law, the moral facists (feminists) doesnt like liberty... then again, are you fluent in german, or just talking on behalf of what you think?
Price for BBBJ will go up then, maybe less guys then at german FKK. Whole P6 scene in Germany can change registeration for street and apartement hookers most likely more problem than for club girls. So maybe less offer at apartements and on streets similar maybe for escort sector.
For fine I don't see police or other organsations as a real threat. I'm more concerned about the temptation for the girls for blackmail the guys.
I haven't read the latest version in total of this around 120 pages law. Does anyone know if there is still the new rule included for separation of working and sleeping room. Is this still the case than large parts of RLD and apartement P6 will disappear bc can't afford rent for two rooms.
At Finca, BBBJ and DFK for 50/30 mn, no upsell from fresh Romanian beauties.Also BBBJ and DFK for standard services, at Prestige Neunkirchen close to Sarrebrucken, and many girls ex Prestige, work at Paradise Sarrebrucken.
Hessen Bub
09-24-16, 08:36
For fine I don't see police or other organsations as a real threat. I'm more concerned about the temptation for the girls for blackmail the guys.
I haven't read the latest version in total of this around 120 pages law. Does anyone know if there is still the new rule included for separation of working and sleeping room. Is this still the case than large parts of RLD and apartement P6 will disappear bc can't afford rent for two rooms.Blackmail then could happen even if you didn't do BBBJ. It's her word against yours. I doubt it. But we will see. Many clubs already have locks for the doors. And there will be no police or undercover agents visiting the clubs and opening doors while you are in a session.
AFAIK the separation of working and sleeping rooms is off the table.
HB.
For foreign visitors from outside Schengen the consequence of an offence could be denial of entry to Germany ( and even all Schengen countries) when passport is scanned. I don't know the intricacies of Police border control and what sort of offence will be shown on the Police screen. This like everything else will only become apparent well after the law is implemented.
With the rise of populist politics such things could well happen
PussyLiccker
09-24-16, 12:56
Blackmail then could happen even if you didn't do BBBJ. It's her word against yours.In order to convince anybody, evidence is needed. How will blackmailing fly if there is no evidence?
It's all a question of how this will be enforced. How will law enforcement obtain evidance? How will they be able to bust anybody without evading anybody's privacy? How the law dictates what kind of investigation is allowed or not.
One way I can think of is under cover as patrons or service providers.
A question I have is will the service providers or club management be liable?
In order to convince anybody, evidence is needed. How will blackmailing fly if there is no evidence?
It's all a question of how this will be enforced. How will law enforcement obtain evidance? How will they be able to bust anybody without evading anybody's privacy? How the law dictates what kind of investigation is allowed or not.
One way I can think of is under cover as patrons or service providers.
A question I have is will the service providers or club management be liable?Female cops as service providers? LOL.
They will have provide BBBJ and film it in order to obtain evidence so I rly doubt this wud work.
Service providers will not be liable hence I doubt the club will be as well. Only our fellow force users will be punished for this stupid law by the evil empire.
Hessen Bub
09-24-16, 13:21
In order to convince anybody, evidence is needed. How will blackmailing fly if there is no evidence?
It's all a question of how this will be enforced. How will law enforcement obtain evidance? How will they be able to bust anybody without evading anybody's privacy? How the law dictates what kind of investigation is allowed or not.
One way I can think of is under cover as patrons or service providers.
A question I have is will the service providers or club management be liable?Blackmail will fly if you're married and the girl threatens to call the police and you get mail home.
There will be no female undercover agents. Clubs and girls are not liable. There will be signs stating that sex without condom (that includes BJ) is illegal. That's all the club has to do in that regard, plus no advertising with BBBJ, BBFS or "tabulos" and other expressions hinting towards that kind of service.
HB.
Citizen Kane
09-24-16, 13:30
How does the wording of this legislation differ from that of the laws in place in Bavaria?
Hessen Bub
09-24-16, 13:39
How does the wording of this legislation differ from that of the laws in place in Bavaria?Wording: don't know. But: Bavaria and Saarland have a "Hygieneverordnung" = regulation in place. The national regulations will be a law. There's a difference in the penalties derived from that.
Can somebody give me the definitive answer please on whether or not clubs such as Caligula, Airport Girls with all you fuck buffets at a set price will be finished under the new law and also gangbang clubs such as Mustapha's Erlebeniswohnung club?
Re FKKs and the new laws, I think it will force the price per each session up a good bit and BBBJ will probably cost an additional extra on top of this with a supplement probably close to the CIM extra charge now!
BTW, technically there doesn't have to be direct contact between a cock and a service provider's mouth to achieve CIM as you can cum in the lady's mouth from a distance or she can lick your cum of her body!
The law relating to a mandatory condom for oral sex is completely daft outpaced in its daftness only by the €50 K fine for it!
TBH if you were fined for committing a serious assault, it probably with be nothing like €50 K!
My trip next year will be done a month before all this goes in effect, didn't want July to be approaching and have girls distracted or worse packing their bags. Something to consider.
Wonder if the clubs will help the girls get their papers straight? Will there be a local official who might travel to the clubs to complete the paperwork? Have to wait and see what this does to already thin lineups at the clubs.
Member #4581
09-24-16, 16:53
Unfortunately, the one consequence of this that seems certain is that there will be no more BBBJ in kino. That is one of my favorite things to do in life, bar none. That truly sucks (because there are no more sucks).
Hessen Bub
09-24-16, 18:28
Can somebody give me the definitive answer please on whether or not clubs such as Caligula, Airport Girls with all you fuck buffets at a set price will be finished under the new law and also gangbang clubs such as Mustapha's Erlebeniswohnung club?
According to the new law Flatrate clubs or events will be illegal. No more Mustapha, Caligula, Airport girls.
HB.
After approval through German Bundestag on July 7th, 2016 get yesterday on September 23rd, 2016 the new prostitution law the approval also from the German Bundesrat. So that's final for me then. New law will be in force on July 1st, 2017.
Citizen Kane
09-24-16, 18:50
Wording: don't know. But: Bavaria and Saarland have a "Hygieneverordnung" = regulation in place. The national regulations will be a law. There's a difference in the penalties derived from that.To the best of your knowledge, has anyone ever been fined in Barvaria or Saarland under the current regulation?
Re FKKs and the new laws, I think it will force the price per each session up a good bit and BBBJ will probably cost an additional extra on top of this with a supplement probably close to the CIM extra charge now!Don't know about those clubs you mention, but the AO scene will stop to exist within the minute the clock passes midnight. Also, the red light districts will suffer. Either prices there will go up or they will die off. In either case I think alot more girls who have worked in other areas of the german sex industry will lean more towards FKK's where they even get separate rooms to sleep in. That added pressure on applicants, and maybe also added pressure from previous AO and RLD mongers and girls into the FKK's will put a downward pressure on the pricing, keeping the rates at the same height as before. Only difference for us will as far as I can tell be the CBJ. And perhaps more police work to bring down pimp networks. Which can lower the rate of new romanians. Although with internet and the word of mouth in romania I could be very wrong too. And pimps outsmart regulations in 99 out of 100 cases anyway. So laws are useless.
I can even see additional fkk's being built from this, and competition between the clubs can get to even higher levels... but time will tell what will happen to the service. Will girls consider themselves sales persons working together in sales teams (on a club per club basis?), or will they try to act like they sometimes do today and make unions where some hold back services like kissing etc? The first option could make fkk's survive as a mongering destination. The 2nd choice would at least for me strangle it more and more...
To the best of your knowledge, has anyone ever been fined in Barvaria or Saarland under the current regulation?Per year were in Munich around 10 cases of P6 without condom known at local authorities. Max. Fine was up to 1. 500 Euro. No joke local authorities used fake test clients but only ask for no condem sex, no real sex that's what the local authorities explained.
AFAIK fine was only for the girls. With the new law fine up to 50 k euro is now only for the guys.
Per year were in Munich around 10 cases of P6 without condom known at local authorities. Max. Fine was up to 1. 500 Euro. No joke local authorities used fake test clients but only ask for no condem sex, no real sex that's what the local authorities explained.
AFAIK fine was only for the girls. With the new law fine up to 50 k euro is now only for the guys.So we can expect german police women working the clubs? Fantastic, I will try a few. But if they leave after we have enterred the room, and after my condom is strapped on ready to enter her mouth, I am going to complain and demand a refund. So she must pay me. :)
So we can expect german police women working the clubs? Fantastic, I will try a few. But if they leave after we have enterred the room, and after my condom is strapped on ready to enter her mouth, I am going to complain and demand a refund. So she must pay me. :)Not likely they might recruit service providers to provide intel though. Hopefully they will not care too much about BBBJ and focus their energy to catch ao lovers.
Makes me wonder if they will open a new department (increase employment) bc I hope the police force have for urgent matters to take care of like terrorism, rapefugess etc rather catching guys getting BBBJ, LOL.
Hessen Bub
09-24-16, 19:46
Don't know about those clubs you mention, but the AO scene will stop to exist within the minute the clock passes midnight. Also, the red light districts will suffer. Either prices there will go up or they will die off. In either case I think alot more girls who have worked in other areas of the german sex industry will lean more towards FKK's where they even get separate rooms to sleep in. That added pressure on applicants, and maybe also added pressure from previous AO and RLD mongers and girls into the FKK's will put a downward pressure on the pricing, keeping the rates at the same height as before. Only difference for us will as far as I can tell be the CBJ. And perhaps more police work to bring down pimp networks. Which can lower the rate of new romanians. Although with internet and the word of mouth in romania I could be very wrong too. And pimps outsmart regulations in 99 out of 100 cases anyway. So laws are useless.
I can even see additional fkk's being built from this, and competition between the clubs can get to even higher levels... but time will tell what will happen to the service. Will girls consider themselves sales persons working together in sales teams (on a club per club basis?), or will they try to act like they sometimes do today and make unions where some hold back services like kissing etc? The first option could make fkk's survive as a mongering destination. The 2nd choice would at least for me strangle it more and more...Wow. Can't remember when I read a post here containing that much BS. Or did you try to be ironic? Please tell me that's the case.
HB.
UltraHappy
09-24-16, 20:47
AFAIK the separation of working and sleeping rooms is off the table.
HB.I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying that the part of the law that requires separation of working and sleeping rooms is now removed from the law? Or did you mean something else?
Hessen Bub
09-24-16, 21:12
I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying that the part of the law that requires separation of working and sleeping rooms is now removed from the law? Or did you mean something else?That's what I meant to say. Not a 100% sure but I read something that this is not required anymore.
HB.
Wow. Can't remember when I read a post here containing that much BS. Or did you try to be ironic? Please tell me that's the case.
HB.When information enters a blob, it turns unreadable. Letters turn into scrambles, and words go up in smoke (or farts).
Ok that sleeping room/working room separation removal does change a thing or two in that post... but then that should keep downward pressure on the pricing too at least...
UltraHappy
09-24-16, 23:48
That's what I meant to say. Not a 100% sure but I read something that this is not required anymore.
HB.Ah, thanks for clarifying. Good to hear.
It seems the new law will really happen next year. Any chance that a new government will replace it again in 2017/18, or is that not common in Germany? (in several countries politcal parties make these kind of laws just before election, then get votes, and after the reverse the law back to as it was).
If BBBJ will really be forbidden and fined, many punters from Holland will not make the trip to Germany anymore. DFK and BBBJ as a kind of standard is the main attraction for many Dutch mongers to make the trip. CBJ and sex is widely available (and legal) in Holland, but at the moment way below the German service level (and at a higher price).
Happily we can still visit Austria and Switzerland for decent sex, but let's hope this BBBJ thing will not be the main focus of the people who have to maintain the law!
Almost no chance. The law has been long in gestation and reflects very deeply held views. It is not an electoral ploy.
Polyamorist
09-25-16, 11:37
"Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be be getting a blowjob."
Citizen Kane
09-25-16, 12:22
"Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be be getting a blowjob."...without a condom.
Pussy Scouter
09-25-16, 12:32
Did some one checked the facts? Is it really 50 K?
Its seems no one here read the Law yet.
This is not logical, or maybe the women lesbo politicians totally lost there mind?
What next? Death punishment for preforming anal sex on a women?
Almost no chance. The law has been long in gestation and reflects very deeply held views. It is not an electoral ploy.I agree it is not an electoral ploy. Fortunately, other issues decide elections.
However, this law of the Grand Coalition changes one of the Red-Green coalition. If the next government is Red-Red-Green, which looks probable, I can see it getting revised again.
Note that Amnesty International not only recently decided to support the legalization of prostitution, but they are also opposed to this law.
Sven, you may be correct, especially if the Greens do very well, but I am working on the assumption that the SPD has probably the most extreme feminist ministers, even wanting to ban any use of gender in adverts where not essential (for example a pretty girl or cute boy in adverts for yoghurt etc). As always, it's wait and see. My grasp of German politics is a bit limited.
The anti prostitution lobby is very strong. In the UK it recently secured the dismissal of the Chair of the Select Committee which was supporting the full legalisation of prostitution.
Member #4581
09-25-16, 15:46
So, assuming that this upholds, how many are willing to risk a big potential fine, not to mention the risk of being booked by cops, and take BBBJ? Especially visitors from abroad?
unless their business drops off.I can't imagine that their business won't drop off. I won't go to German FKKs anymore. Nothing there that I can't buy from a window girl in Amsterdam. But I also can't imagine that sex tourism is that critical to the economy.
Personally I will probably still go to Germany in the beginning to see how it turns out and how mu favourite girls act on this. But I will be much much more picky when choosing girls. And when service is lower in Germany compared to Austria, prices cannot go up either. Otherwise I think alot more clients also will go to Austria and leave Germany behind.
To the best of your knowledge, has anyone ever been fined in Barvaria or Saarland under the current regulation?It's not the "same" regulation as this federal new law. The law in Bavaria is a State Law and it doesn't set such a high ceiling on the fine nor (and this is the main point) does it provide for the man to be the sole guilty party. I've spoken with one FKK girl who was fined in Bavaria. Otherwise people get fined on a regular basis according to German sites like Lusthaus, that's why this site have a warning about self-incrimination and incriminating girls who break the law (if you mention it in a post be sufficiently vague etc.). Police rely on testimonies and also send police acting as customers. A girl who worked in the massage with happy end sector in Munich explained to me she was always suspicious when two customers arrived at the same time because undercover policemen never work alone (probably lest they should let themselves be corrupted, maybe because two people not far from one another are needed for the wiring arrangements, I don't know).
Not likely they might recruit service providers to provide intel though. Hopefully they will not care too much about BBBJ and focus their energy to catch ao lovers.
Makes me wonder if they will open a new department (increase employment) bc I hope the police force have for urgent matters to take care of like terrorism, rapefugess etc rather catching guys getting BBBJ, LOL.
I've heard that feuding between girls could lead to girls spilling the beans on other girls. As for staffing, alas, Germany is preparing to recruit thousands of police because of the refugee crisis. The good thing about prostitution in Germany is that it was completely safe in terms of both crime and the law. Now one may have to be willing to break the law to get full service.
Neurosynth
09-25-16, 22:38
So I'm at a (former?) RTC on a couch with a girl. I whisper in her ear that I want AO. She whispers in mine that she's quite willing. We go to the room. We have AO sex. We leave the room and I pay her.
How in the world are the legal authorities going to be able to arrest and prosecute me, or even know it happened? And if this law is so unenforcible, can there be any doubt that the marketplace competition will result in availability?
My prediction is maybe a 20% drop in availability and a 20% increase in cost.
So I'm at a (former?) RTC on a couch with a girl. I whisper in her ear that I want AO. She whispers in mine that she's quite willing. We go to the room. We have AO sex. We leave the room and I pay her.
Very good and after the sex she whispers in your ear "oh darling it was so great and therefore you give me instead of the normal 50 euro now 500 euro otherwise I report you to police and as proof I have your cum in my pussy. And don't worry if you haven't enough cash, there's an ATM. " Triple LOL.
Member #4581
09-25-16, 23:18
So I'm at a (former?) RTC on a couch with a girl. I whisper in her ear that I want AO. She whispers in mine that she's quite willing. We go to the room. We have AO sex. We leave the room and I pay her.
How in the world are the legal authorities going to be able to arrest and prosecute me, or even know it happened? And if this law is so unenforcible, can there be any doubt that the marketplace competition will result in availability?
My prediction is maybe a 20% drop in availability and a 20% increase in cost.I don't know all the ways they plan to prosecute and provide evidence in courts, although we can all guess. But the question is, how many are even willing to risk it?
Prostitution is illegal in the US. Does it happen. Yes, obviously. But if it was legal, would there be a lot more of it? I can't prove it, but I think yes. A lot of men are definitely self selecting not to partake due to the risk of committing an illegal act.
I think they set the $50 grand penalty and other things precisely to deter people. And for many men, more than the money, it is the potential risk of being caught, outed, prosecuted, which is much much worse. Until now, it was legal and in a year it will not be. That makes all the difference. My guess is, I will still go to Germany because the rest of it is still intact (legal prostitution, safety of the business, dozens of naked girls and all the rest of FKK which we all love) but will probably eschew the BBBJ portion. In my first couple of visits, I used to request CBJ and I will simply revert back to those days.
Personally I will probably still go to Germany in the beginning to see how it turns out and how mu favourite girls act on this. But I will be much much more picky when choosing girls. And when service is lower in Germany compared to Austria, prices cannot go up either. Otherwise I think alot more clients also will go to Austria and leave Germany behind.Yin Yang may be a lot busier. Another option is for the girl to put on a condom and somehow it slipped off. LOL!
What does the law say in regards to DATY?
From my understanding from reading these posts, the law prohibits paid sex without condoms and that BJs are considered sex; but is DATY considered sex?
So, assuming that this upholds, how many are willing to risk a big potential fine, not to mention the risk of being booked by cops, and take BBBJ? Especially visitors from abroad?Not afraid at all about BBBJ, who can know? If the girl agree. Do You think Oase girls will change to fuck many guys in 15 mn without fucking? It will just become more expensive to have fantasy to put milk in mouth. Of course, for Nobel awards who like to write: I finished in her mouth after 5 mn and then fuck her in all holes in 30 mn, better to change writings.
I m happy if AO clubs will be forbidden to protect these poor Bulgarian girls and also wives.
Also, be happy if girls could not sleep anymore in rooms where they are fucked, just a shame to treat these girls like this. Even I really like this club, shame on Aca.
These prostitutes are women.
Personally I will probably still go to Germany in the beginning to see how it turns out and how mu favourite girls act on this. But I will be much much more picky when choosing girls. And when service is lower in Germany compared to Austria, prices cannot go up either. Otherwise I think alot more clients also will go to Austria and leave Germany behind.YY and 6 ens NL, Wellcum and Andiamo. At for me on Summer, Globe. Ch, Bumsalp, Aphrodisia, history in Basel Liestal. Private south Denmark close to border, where Sofia. Ro Mainhattan came from.
After experienced Roberta. Ro at Sharks, ex Relax around Zurich, Madeleine and Marta. Pol at GT, ex Switzerland, the new improved GF level for Isabella at Globe, Switzerland GFE quality worth trip and rate. Quality versus quantity.
Very good and after the sex she whispers in your ear "oh darling it was so great and therefore you give me instead of the normal 50 euro now 500 euro otherwise I report you to police and as proof I have your cum in my pussy. And don't worry if you haven't enough cash, there's an ATM. " Triple LOL.You shouldn't show girls how to blackmail yr fellow force users, LOL.
Girls blackmailing are digging their own "grave" as rumors travel fast.
Just take the girl to hotel and voila BBBJ, hehe.
Hessen Bub
09-26-16, 11:28
Very good and after the sex she whispers in your ear "oh darling it was so great and therefore you give me instead of the normal 50 euro now 500 euro otherwise I report you to police and as proof I have your cum in my pussy. And don't worry if you haven't enough cash, there's an ATM. " Triple LOL.Make her swallow your cum and evidence is gone.
HB.
Very good and after the sex she whispers in your ear "oh darling it was so great and therefore you give me instead of the normal 50 euro now 500 euro otherwise I report you to police and as proof I have your cum in my pussy. And don't worry if you haven't enough cash, there's an ATM. " Triple LOL.I really wish no more AO for these Bulgarian or Romanian girls health, but do you really think a Romanian or Bulgarian prostitute, working in a brothel, most of time pimped by BF / taxi / Mercedes pilot like Lewis Hamilton, will call the police and make them come in the brothel? Staff will like a lot if she does. Do girls call the police when they have problem with a client at the moment? They don't even dare to complain at the staff to make the guy fired, they should but they prefer to cry.
What does the law say in regards to DATY?
From my understanding from reading these posts, the law prohibits paid sex without condoms and that BJs are considered sex; but is DATY considered sex?AFAIK the sex definition of the new law includes dick either in pussy or ass or mouth. As at DATY or DFK no dick is in contact with pussy, ass or mouth this should be still allowed. Also a hand job should also be allowed without condom. Same for rim job or ball licking. Question is what happend if girls tongue licks during BL / RJ the guys dick without taking the dick in mouth is this allowed or not without condom? And furthermore one more question: the girl licks your dick not only with her tongue but also with her lips without taking your dick in her mouth, maybe even between her lips but without taking the dick in mouth.
I really wish no more AO for these Bulgarian or Romanian girls health, but do you really think a Romanian or Bulgarian prostitute, working in a brothel, most of time pimped by BF / taxi / Mercedes pilot like Lewis Hamilton, will call the police and make them come in the brothel? Staff will like a lot if she does. Do girls call the police when they have problem with a client at the moment? They don't even dare to complain at the staff to make the guy fired, they should but they prefer to cry.The point is that it isn't necessary to call the police, for many clients it is enough only to threaten with this.
And yes I know some cases that girl together with club management called police bc client doesn't want to pay for correct service according the known rules.
Hi all.
Does anyone one know if any of FFM area clubs has girls from India. I want to try Indian beauty.
Thanks.
Does anyone one know if any of FFM area clubs has girls from India. I want to try Indian beauty.
You want Indian girls? Go to India.
You want girls from Romania? Go to Germany FKKs.
Simple.
Hi all.
Does anyone one know if any of FFM area clubs has girls from India. I want to try Indian beauty.
Thanks.The closest you will get to Indian girls in German FKK is to seek out the dark skinned Roma girls from Romania and Bulgaria. The Roma originally migrated from Indian and many of my Roma FKK girls look quite Indian. Thin dark Christina at FKK World is a prime example.
Indeed are YY en Sixxens FKK clubs in NL, so not affected by this law. Some might consider these good alternatives, but if you got used to the (better) German clubs, you might not. CH is a better, but much more expensive option.
For me I think I prefer going one time a month to CH and have perfect service with beautiful girls, than few times a month to a German club with CBJ service, but each to his own.
BTW, the Euro 50 K is the maximum, focussed on the club / middle men / pimps, for customers it will probably be closer to Euro 1K, especially first timers, but as written by others, the fact it is illegal and the dramatic downside of getting caught would be enough to avoid!
AFAIK the sex definition of the new law includes dick either in pussy or ass or mouth. As at DATY or DFK no dick is in contact with pussy, ass or mouth this should be still allowed.The law actually doesn't forbid any practice, just states that the males must use a condoms in sexual acts, and sexual acts are either vaginal, oral or anal. So it cannot forbid nor DATY nor DFK.
Also a hand job should also be allowed without condomI guess so, as only vagina, mouth and ass are mentioned.
Here is a google translation of the part of the law explaining the condom duty:
For the sake of prevention of sexually transmitted diseases and introduced thereby protecting both by prostitutes and by their clients or customers and indirectly affected persons and the public is by paragraph 1 an obligation of prostitutes and their customers and clients to use condoms during pecuniary intercourse. Under intercourse fall next to the vaginal also oral and anal intercourse.
The concept of the condom implies the use of the man's body and is aimed primarily at responsible behavior of the man from; male customers and male prostitutes are thus always obliged during intercourse as part of the customer relationship, to use a condom. Female prostitutes and customers are also addressees of the norm; they are obliged to ensure that during intercourse a condom on the body of the male prostitutes or clients is used. Therefore, they are listed as obligor of condom bid.
From the perspective of prostitutes, the provision constitutes a profession generally, but - is to protect the legal interests specified justified - as already existing clusters in two Lnder regional legislation.
The provision is mainly prostitutes to clients, operators and persons of their environment are encouraged to exist for its own protection on the use of infection-protective sexual practices and to oppose otherwise customized, by referring to the ban. The provision thus builds for its implementation in their own interest in the prostitute. Violations of the condom requirement are therefore not punishable by a fine for prostitutes under this Act, but for clients and customers. For some quarters expressed fear that condom requirement should be enforced through the use of "mock suitors" against prostitutes with filing systems, so there is no room.
This is the orignal text:
Im Interesse der Prvention sexuell bertragbarer Erkrankungen und damit zum Schutz sowohl von Prostituierten als auch von deren Kunden oder Kundinnen sowie mittelbar betroffener Personen und der Allgemeinheit wird durch Absatz 1 eine Verpflichtung von Prostituierten und deren Kunden und Kundinnen zur Verwendung von Kondomen beim entgeltlichen Geschlechtsverkehr eingefhrt. Unter Geschlechtsverkehr fallen neben dem vaginalen auch oraler und analer Geschlechtsverkehr.
Der Begriff des Kondoms impliziert die Anwendung am Krper des Mannes und zielt in erster Linie auf ein verantwortungsbewusstes Verhalten des Mannes ab; mnnliche Kunden und mnnliche Prostituierte sind folglich beim Geschlechtsverkehr im Rahmen der Kundenbeziehung stets verpflichtet, ein Kondom zu verwenden. Weibliche Prostituierte und Kundinnen sind ebenfalls Adressatinnen der Norm; sie sind verpflichtet, dafr Sorge zu tragen, dass beim Geschlechtsverkehr ein Kondom am Krper des mnnlichen Prostituierten oder Kunden zum Einsatz kommt. Daher sind auch sie als Verpflichtete des Kondomgebots aufgefhrt.
Aus Sicht von Prostituierten bildet die Vorschrift eine Berufsausbungsregel, die jedoch wie auch schon die bereits in zwei Bundeslndern bestehenden landesrechtlichen Vorschriften zum Schutz der genannten Rechtsgter gerechtfertigt ist.
Mit der Vorschrift werden vor allem Prostituierte gegenber Kunden, Betreibern und Personen ihres Umfeldes darin bestrkt, zum eigenen Schutz auf der Verwendung infektionsschtzender Sexualpraktiken zu bestehen und sich anderslautenden Kundenwnschen zu widersetzen, indem sie auf das Verbot verweisen. Die Vorschrift knpft damit fr ihre Implementierung am eigenen Schutzinteresse der Prostituierten an. Verste gegen die Kondompflicht sind daher fr Prostituierte nach diesem Gesetz nicht bugeldbewehrt, jedoch fr Kunden und Kundinnen. Fr die von mancher Seite geuerte Befrchtung, die Kondompflicht solle durch Einsatz von Scheinfreiern gegenber Prostituierten mit Ordnungsmitteln durchgesetzt werden, ist damit kein Raum.
The law actually doesn't forbid any practice, just states that the males must use a condoms in sexual acts, and sexual acts are either vaginal, oral or anal.
during intercourse a condom on the body of the male prostitutes or clients is used.
What if I have a condom wrapped around my little finger? Maybe the under cover german police woman I take to the room will say it is ok?
Does it state that the condom must cover the tip of the penis too?Hahaha! My God you guys are killing me LOL! What are you going to do? Cut a hole out on the tip LOLOLOL! Me? I'm just going to take my ass to Austria! I sure will!
Polyamorist
09-27-16, 12:05
Can the balls still touch a girl's nose? Asking for a friend.
The law doesn't prevent Ball Licking and tea bagging, licking the shaft could still be legit and also a lady could take your cum directly from a condom into her mouth by licking it out!
So it's a completely insane fooling law!
Also nobody has given me an authoritative response yet on whether this finishes Flat Rates like Caligula and Airport Girls as we know them and also gang bang clubs such as Erlebeniswohnung!
Can the balls still touch a girl's nose? Asking for a friend.Does he target hair or the roof?
Hahaha! My God you guys are killing me LOL! What are you going to do? Cut a hole out on the tip LOLOLOL! Me? I'm just going to take my ass to Austria! I sure will!Think it would be risky of me? lol. Can allways do Austria yes, but Germany has better logistics and more clubs. So would be a shame....
Then again I kind of have a feeling this could push some top girls into moving to austria too. So selection at those clubs could go up...
Also nobody has given me an authoritative response yet on whether this finishes Flat Rates like Caligula and Airport Girls as we know them and also gang bang clubs such as Erlebeniswohnung!Probably yes. Here is the authoritative text a response should be based upon (google translate):
One of the basic conditions for the legal recognition of prostitution as a legal transaction, which is directed to sexual services, is hedged in Prostitution Act at any time of retrieval of the willingness to perform sexual acts. Is a commercial prostitution organized so that this reversibility is factually not guaranteed, so it is not compatible with the performance of sexual self-determination; such an operating concept must therefore be denied legal recognition.
Not permissible via therefore - regardless of whether individual participants would possibly engage in such conditions -. For example, commercial offers as so-called "(R a p e -) Gang-Bang" - events where a large number of so-called free against an entrance fee in parallel or in close time sequence, the opportunity to have sex with a prostitute or a prostitute is given while r a p e to be adjusted; because this can lead to a situation in which the person who allowed paid sexual intercourse, loses the ability to be able to influence the choice of customers who practices employed in general, any further exercise of sexual acts controlling.
The refusal of the authorization does not yet include this ban a particular sexual practice per se, so it's not about a ban private sex parties. The provision merely acts as a prohibition to organize such practices as a chargeable offers commercially.
Even if the operation of the prostitution industry of exploitation of prostitutes recognizable making feed, the authorization shall be refused.
This should regularly called. Flat-rate brothels (also known as "flat-rate" club, "All Inclusive Formula" o. . Named) be the case where it is brought at least to the outside of the appearances and advertised that prostitutes present in a prostitution site to a payable to the operator package price are accessible to all customers indiscriminately at any time. It constitutes a breach of the Prostitution Act if prostitutes for a pre-set fee to a third party - are committed to undertake an indefinite number of sexual acts - here the operator. To assess whether an exploitation abetted, besides, also the design of the internal contractual relationship between prostitutes and operators is crucial in addition to the application of the tender to the outside. excluded also after point 1 of the license conditions are business models that bring prostitutes z. B. by usury-like or non-transparent conditions in a situation of debt owed to the operator, as well as prostitution industry that build conceptually on employment of prostitutes as pseudo-self.
Original text:
Eine der Grundbedingungen fr die rechtliche Anerkennung der Prostitution als ein Rechtsgeschft, das auf sexuelle Dienstleistungen gerichtet ist, ist die im Prostitutionsgesetz abgesicherte jederzeitige Rckholbarkeit der Bereitschaft zu sexuellen Handlungen. Ist ein Prostitutionsgewerbe so organisiert, dass diese Rckholbarkeit faktisch nicht gewhrleistet ist, so ist es mit der Wahrnehmung der sexuellen Selbstbestimmung nicht vereinbar; einem solchen Betriebskonzept muss daher die rechtliche Anerkennung verwehrt bleiben.
Nicht erlaubnisfhig sind daher unabhngig davon, ob einzelne Beteiligte sich ggf. auf solche Bedingungen einlassen wrden beispielsweise kommerzielle Angebote wie sog. (R a p e -)Gang-Bang- Veranstaltungen, bei denen einer Vielzahl sogenannter Freier gegen ein Eintrittsgeld parallel oder in enger zeitlicher Folge die Gelegenheit zum Geschlechtsverkehr mit einer Prostituierten oder einem Prostituierten eingerumt wird und dabei Vergewaltigungen nachgestellt werden; denn dies kann zu einer Situation fhren, in der die Person, die gegen Entgelt den Geschlechtsverkehr gestattet, die Mglichkeit verliert, auf die Auswahl der Kunden, die eingesetzten Praktiken oder generell die weitere Ausbung sexueller Handlungen steuernd Einfluss nehmen zu knnen.
Die Versagung der Erlaubnis beinhaltet dabei nicht zugleich ein Verbot einer bestimmten sexuellen Praxis an sich, es geht also nicht etwa um ein Verbot privater Sexparties. Die Vorschrift wirkt lediglich als Verbot, solche Praktiken als entgeltliche Angebote kommerziell zu organisieren.
Auch dann, wenn der Betrieb des Prostitutionsgewerbes der Ausbeutung von Prostituierten erkennbar Vorschub leistet, ist die Erlaubnis zu versagen.
Dies drfte regelmig bei sog. Flat-Rate-Bordellen (auch als Pauschal-Club, All-Inclusive-Angebot o. . benannt) der Fall sein, wo zumindest nach auen der Anschein erweckt und damit geworben wird, dass die in einer Prostitutionssttte anwesenden Prostituierten unterschiedslos zu einem an den Betreiber zu entrichtenden Pauschalpreis jederzeit fr jeden Kunden verfgbar sind. Dabei bildet es einen Versto gegen das Prostitutionsgesetz, wenn Prostituierte sich fr ein vorher festgesetztes Entgelt gegenber einem Dritten hier dem Betreiber zur Vornahme einer unbestimmten Zahl sexueller Akte verpflichten. Fr die Beurteilung, ob einer Ausbeutung Vorschub geleistet wird, ist dabei neben der Bewerbung des Angebots nach auen auch die Gestaltung des vertraglichen Binnenverhltnisses zwischen Prostituierten und Betreiber mageblich. Ebenfalls nach Nummer 1 von der Erteilung einer Erlaubnis ausgeschlossen sind Geschftsmodelle, die Prostituierte z. B. durch wucherartige oder intransparente Vertragsbedingungen in eine Situation der Verschuldung gegenber dem Betreiber bringen, sowie Prostitutionsgewerbe, die konzeptionell auf einer Beschftigung von Prostituierten als Scheinselbstndige aufbauen.
Probably yes. Here is the authoritative text a response should be based upon (google translate):]Thanks but is this already the final version after approval of German Bundesrat from September 23rd, 2016! If yes could you please give a link to this.
And I'm interested about the rule of seperation of working and sleeping room. Is this in the final version included or not. Have found different opinios about that. Thanks.
Neurosynth
09-27-16, 20:46
Very good and after the sex she whispers in your ear "oh darling it was so great and therefore you give me instead of the normal 50 euro now 500 euro otherwise I report you to police and as proof I have your cum in my pussy. And don't worry if you haven't enough cash, there's an ATM. " Triple LOL.Nonsense. First of all, that's not enforcement of the law, that's extortion. My question was how is this new law enforceable. It basically isn't.
As for extortion, I'd tell her I'm paying the 50 and if you make accusations I'll report your extortion. If she executes her threat (1) she still won't get her 500, and (2) it's a he-said-she-said (3) the cops arriving will scare off customers and create bad word of mouth and (4) she'll be banned from the FKK by management for causing same.
Thanks but is this already the final version after approval of German Bundesrat from September 23rd, 2016! If yes could you please give a link to this.Sorry, can't. I quoted from the original proposal:
http://dip21.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/18/085/1808556.pdf
I think that the only minor differences in the final approved version are listed in this document:
http://www.bundesrat.de/SharedDocs/drucksachen/2016/0401-0500/457-16.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=1
And I'm interested about the rule of seperation of working and sleeping room. Is this in the final version included or not. Have found different opinios about that. Thanks.I don't think that the original proposal has been modified as far as separation for sleeping and working room is concerned.
Individual exceptions to the separation rule can be granted when the enforcement would require an excessive effort for brothel in apartments (see Section 1, 18, (3); see Besonderer Teil, Zu Artikel 1, Zu 18, Zu Absatz 2) and for any kind of brothel which already existed before the announcement of the new law (see Section 1, 37, (5); see Besonderer Teil, Zu Artikel 1, Zu 37, Zu Absatz 5).
Also, prostitutes that have just arrived in Germany and haven't found yet an accomodation, can be allowed to sleep for one or two days in the working rooms, as long this is limited to special cases (see Besonderer Teil, Zu Artikel 1, Zu 18, Zu Absatz 2, Zu Nummer 7).
Are the German forums getting this much into the passing of the new law?
So I'm at a (former?) RTC on a couch with a girl. I whisper in her ear that I want AO. She whispers in mine that she's quite willing. We go to the room. We have AO sex. We leave the room and I pay her.
How in the world are the legal authorities going to be able to arrest and prosecute me, or even know it happened?If you are not shy, you could also get around the prescriptions of the law if you pretend to be a performer acting for the sole purpose of offering a good show, provided you have an audience, and that you don't allow this audience to partake in your activities:
See Besonderer Teil, Zu Artikel 1, Zu 2, Zu Absatz 1):
Vorfhrungen sexuell konnotierter oder pornografischer Art mit rein darstellerischem Charakter, die von einer oder mehreren Personen vor anderen anwesenden Personen ausgefhrt werden, fallen ebenfalls nicht in den Anwendungsbereich dieses Gesetzes, wenn mit Ausnahme der Darstellerinnen oder Darsteller keine weiteren anwesenden Personen sexuell aktiv einbezogen sind.
Google translation:
Demonstrations sexually connoted or pornographic nature with purely darstellerischem character, performed by one or more persons persons present before others, also fall outside the scope of this Act, if other than the actresses or actors, no further persons present are sexually active included
I think that Swingerlover had already suggested this trick long time before the approval of the law.
If you are not shy, you could also get around the prescriptions of the law if you pretend to be a performer acting for the sole purpose of offering a good show, provided you have an audience, and that you don't allow this audience to partake in your activities:
Google translation:
Demonstrations sexually connoted or pornographic nature with purely darstellerischem character, performed by one or more persons persons present before others, also fall outside the scope of this Act, if other than the actresses or actors, no further persons present are sexually active included
I think that Swingerlover had already suggested this trick long time before the approval of the law.So the trick around this law is to pay a girl to be the audience or just ask a random guy / friend at the club to be the audience and he will get a free show, haha.
Think it would be risky of me? lol. Can always do Austria yes, but Germany has better logistics and more clubs. So would be a shame....I've RTFF and done the required research, and between Vienna and Salzburg I've sourced 13 different establishments to try out. Don't know about you, but that's more than enough to keep me busy!
UltraHappy
09-28-16, 02:02
If you are not shy, you could also get around the prescriptions of the law if you pretend to be a performer acting for the sole purpose of offering a good show, provided you have an audience, and that you don't allow this audience to partake in your activities:
See Besonderer Teil, Zu Artikel 1, Zu 2, Zu Absatz 1):
Vorfhrungen sexuell konnotierter oder pornografischer Art mit rein darstellerischem Charakter, die von einer oder mehreren Personen vor anderen anwesenden Personen ausgefhrt werden, fallen ebenfalls nicht in den Anwendungsbereich dieses Gesetzes, wenn mit Ausnahme der Darstellerinnen oder Darsteller keine weiteren anwesenden Personen sexuell aktiv einbezogen sind.
Google translation:
Demonstrations sexually connoted or pornographic nature with purely darstellerischem character, performed by one or more persons persons present before others, also fall outside the scope of this Act, if other than the actresses or actors, no further persons present are sexually active included
I think that Swingerlover had already suggested this trick long time before the approval of the law.So, wouldn't my time with my girl in the Kino count as a performance then if I am getting a public BBBJ?
I've RTFF and done the required research, and between Vienna and Salzburg I've sourced 13 different establishments to try out. Don't know about you, but that's more than enough to keep me busy!Only time will tell. There are probably more than that too with car other places in Austria like Graz, Klagenfurt, Villach and on the slovenian side of the border. But less than in Germany, and getting there can be slightly trickier too. I prefer my Germany flights on both price and frequency over Austria:
Member #4581
09-28-16, 03:16
So, wouldn't my time with my girl in the Kino count as a performance then if I am getting a public BBBJ?I hope the law takes this benign view. I would be happy doing my entire deed in the kino, LOL. Perhaps they can pay me too, for entertaining other guests!
Wolvenvacht
09-28-16, 07:00
So, wouldn't my time with my girl in the Kino count as a performance then if I am getting a public BBBJ?Knowing this is Germany, they probably have a law that requires you to be registered as a licensed porn-actor under a written contract with the movie-producer or theater owner and of course as an actor you and the girl have both to be paid for your performance (on which income you will pay tax and social security dues).
Wolvenvacht
09-28-16, 07:34
According to the new law Flatrate clubs or events will be illegal. No more Mustapha, Caligula, Airport girls.
HB.That's not true, or at least not necessarily so.
"Brothels" (in the very general meaning of the word) will need a license under the new law. Such license can be refused (or revoked) if it appears that the women working in such brothel are not free to decide themselves whether or not to have sex with a customer. That is a requiement under the previous Prostitution-law already. All kind of coercion to force someone to have sex is forbidden. Flat-rate clubs at least give the impression that the girls are not free in their choice and hence a flatrate club will need a system that makes it very clear none of the ladies is under any form of coercion to fulfill her quota of customers beforeshe gets her payment from the club.
It does not take a rocket-scientist (just a good lawyer) to draw up a contract between the prostitute and the club that either gives her the right to refuse sex at any time without risking a cut-back on her wages or that gives her a fixed (reasosnable) sum for every "room" she makes with a customer. In both cases the decision remains hers and the club is not coercing her.
The club should also clearly announce that the flat-rate performers are allowed at any time to refuse to have sex and that no sexual services are guaranteed at all. An advertisement as "all the sex you can have for xxx EUR" would be banned.
The club should also clearly announce that the flat-rate performers are allowed at any time to refuse to have sex and that no sexual services are guaranteed at all. An advertisement as "all the sex you can have for xxx EUR" would be banned.So basically, it won't work with the new regulations. Doors closed, the end.
I am more interrested in how many brothel licenses they will hand out. Will they hand out to almost every club? Or will they restrict the amount of clubs to a short few? Say 30% less than today... That could cut down on supply if they did, or perhaps increase the number of girls per club.
Hessen Bub
09-28-16, 18:05
That's not true, or at least not necessarily so.We will see. Flatrate sex as it used to be will be history under the new law. There maybe some workarounds, but let's see.
HB.
Hey everyone,
I know answers are but going to Frankfurt in a few weeks and want to know the best FKK clubs to visit. I have time to visit 2.
The list I have from the research I've been doing is (in no order):
FKK World.
FKK Palace.
FKK Sharks.
FKK Oase.
FKK Mainhattan.
Any advice would be much appreciated!
So when does this dumbass law take effect? Ie from when will BBBJ be banned?
Does renting a car makes sense? Does it alleviate the travel to these clubs and does it save time / money? Plan on being there 4 to 6 days.
TIA.
UltraHappy
09-29-16, 04:38
So when does this dumbass law take effect? Ie from when will BBBJ be banned?July 1, 2016 is the earliest that the law could go into effect. There has been talk about a slight possible delay.
Does renting a car makes sense? Does it alleviate the travel to these clubs and does it save time / money? Plan on being there 4 to 6 days.
TIA.Yes. Yes. And Yes.
Hey everyone,
I know answers are but going to Frankfurt in a few weeks and want to know the best FKK clubs to visit. I have time to visit 2.
The list I have from the research I've been doing is (in no order):
FKK World.
FKK Palace.
FKK Sharks.
FKK Oase.
FKK Mainhattan.
Any advice would be much appreciated!If you like silicon, tattooed, Palace. For beauties, Sharks.
Citizen Kane
09-29-16, 06:47
Does renting a car makes sense? Does it alleviate the travel to these clubs and does it save time / money? Plan on being there 4 to 6 days.
TIA.Of course. Hire cars are the hookers of the automotive world.
Does renting a car makes sense? Does it alleviate the travel to these clubs and does it save time / money? Plan on being there 4 to 6 days.
TIA.I was also indecisive about it on my last visit and check what happened in Oase on my last day.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3309-German-FKK-Clubs-Lounge-and-chat-area&p=1860720&viewfull=1#post1860720.
LOL.
Mit der Vorschrift werden vor allem Prostituierte gegenber Kunden, Betreibern und Personen ihres Umfeldes darin bestrkt, zum eigenen Schutz auf der Verwendung infektionsschtzender Sexualpraktiken zu bestehen und sich anderslautenden Kundenwnschen zu widersetzen, indem sie auf das Verbot verweisen. Die Vorschrift knpft damit fr ihre Implementierung am eigenen Schutzinteresse der Prostituierten an. Verste gegen die Kondompflicht sind daher fr Prostituierte nach diesem Gesetz nicht bugeldbewehrt, jedoch fr Kunden und Kundinnen. Fr die von mancher Seite geuerte Befrchtung, die Kondompflicht solle durch Einsatz von Scheinfreiern gegenber Prostituierten mit Ordnungsmitteln durchgesetzt werden, ist damit kein Raum.Umlauts are missing, but it's probably not worth putting them in.
Interesting here is that, while the requirement applies to both parties, only customers are liable to fines, not sex providers.
Does renting a car makes sense? Does it alleviate the travel to these clubs and does it save time / money? Plan on being there 4 to 6 days.TIA.How many clubs do you plan visiting? Which clubs will you visit? Do you drink? Are you a daytime visitor or would you like to stay all night? Do you stay at a hotel near the clubs you visit, or are you staying at one place risking long distance to the clubs? Are you planning on being a full time FKK clubber, or do you also have other plans (business/tourist stuff)? Do you have plenty of time and enjoy travelling by public transport? Do you care about added taxi costs or is that irrelevant? Are you travelling alone or with buddies who are willing to share costs?
Sven, you may be correct, especially if the Greens do very well, but I am working on the assumption that the SPD has probably the most extreme feminist ministers, even wanting to ban any use of gender in adverts where not essential (for example a pretty girl or cute boy in adverts for yoghurt etc). As always, it's wait and see. My grasp of German politics is a bit limited.
Your assumption is wrong. The SPD was mainly responsible for the law of 2002 or whatever, and the current change is driven by the CDU / CSU.
Also, keep in mind that there are both extreme left-wing and extreme right-wing politicians who are anti-prostitution, though perhaps for different reasons. The SPD is pretty much in the middle.
In many other countries, left-of-centre, and perhaps even other, parties agree on banning prositution, but that's not the case in Germany.
What will happen? As soon as the CDU / CSU has less power, the law will revert back to something like it was before, with the justification that the new one caused more problems than it solved.
The law doesn't prevent Ball Licking and tea bagging, licking the shaft could still be legit and also a lady could take your cum directly from a condom into her mouth by licking it out!
So it's a completely insane fooling law!
Wrong. First of all, most guys want to feel coming in her mouth, not seeing her suck it out of a condom. Second, the intention of the law is clear. Back when some US states passed laws requiring motorcycle helmets to be worn, some bozos strapped them to their knees. Didn't work.
Also nobody has given me an authoritative response yet on whether this finishes Flat Rates like Caligula and Airport Girls as we know them and also gang bang clubs such as Erlebeniswohnung!Certainly the law will prevent them from advertising themselves as such.
Probably yes. Here is the authoritative text a response should be based upon (google translate):
One of the basic conditions for the legal recognition of prostitution as a legal transaction, which is directed to sexual services, is hedged in Prostitution Act at any time of retrieval of the willingness to perform sexual acts. Is a commercial prostitution organized so that this reversibility is factually not guaranteed, so it is not compatible with the performance of sexual self-determination; such an operating concept must therefore be denied legal recognition.
Not permissible via therefore - regardless of whether individual participants would possibly engage in such conditions -. For example, commercial offers as so-called "(R a p e -) Gang-Bang" - events where a large number of so-called free against an entrance fee in parallel or in close time sequence, the opportunity to have sex with a prostitute or a prostitute is given while r a p e to be adjusted; because this can lead to a situation in which the person who allowed paid sexual intercourse, loses the ability to be able to influence the choice of customers who practices employed in general, any further exercise of sexual acts controlling.
The refusal of the authorization does not yet include this ban a particular sexual practice per se, so it's not about a ban private sex parties. The provision merely acts as a prohibition to organize such practices as a chargeable offers commercially.
Even if the operation of the prostitution industry of exploitation of prostitutes recognizable making feed, the authorization shall be refused.
This should regularly called. Flat-rate brothels (also known as "flat-rate" club, "All Inclusive Formula" o. . Named) be the case where it is brought at least to the outside of the appearances and advertised that prostitutes present in a prostitution site to a payable to the operator package price are accessible to all customers indiscriminately at any time. It constitutes a breach of the Prostitution Act if prostitutes for a pre-set fee to a third party - are committed to undertake an indefinite number of sexual acts - here the operator. To assess whether an exploitation abetted, besides, also the design of the internal contractual relationship between prostitutes and operators is crucial in addition to the application of the tender to the outside. excluded also after point 1 of the license conditions are business models that bring prostitutes z. B. by usury-like or non-transparent conditions in a situation of debt owed to the operator, as well as prostitution industry that build conceptually on employment of prostitutes as pseudo-self.
Original text:
Eine der Grundbedingungen fr die rechtliche Anerkennung der Prostitution als ein Rechtsgeschft, das auf sexuelle Dienstleistungen gerichtet ist, ist die im Prostitutionsgesetz abgesicherte jederzeitige Rckholbarkeit der Bereitschaft zu sexuellen Handlungen. Ist ein Prostitutionsgewerbe so organisiert, dass diese Rckholbarkeit faktisch nicht gewhrleistet ist, so ist es mit der Wahrnehmung der sexuellen Selbstbestimmung nicht vereinbar; einem solchen Betriebskonzept muss daher die rechtliche Anerkennung verwehrt bleiben.
Nicht erlaubnisfhig sind daher unabhngig davon, ob einzelne Beteiligte sich ggf. auf solche Bedingungen einlassen wrden beispielsweise kommerzielle Angebote wie sog. (R a p e -)Gang-Bang- Veranstaltungen, bei denen einer Vielzahl sogenannter Freier gegen ein Eintrittsgeld parallel oder in enger zeitlicher Folge die Gelegenheit zum Geschlechtsverkehr mit einer Prostituierten oder einem Prostituierten eingerumt wird und dabei Vergewaltigungen nachgestellt werden; denn dies kann zu einer Situation fhren, in der die Person, die gegen Entgelt den Geschlechtsverkehr gestattet, die Mglichkeit verliert, auf die Auswahl der Kunden, die eingesetzten Praktiken oder generell die weitere Ausbung sexueller Handlungen steuernd Einfluss nehmen zu knnen.
Die Versagung der Erlaubnis beinhaltet dabei nicht zugleich ein Verbot einer bestimmten sexuellen Praxis an sich, es geht also nicht etwa um ein Verbot privater Sexparties. Die Vorschrift wirkt lediglich als Verbot, solche Praktiken als entgeltliche Angebote kommerziell zu organisieren.
Auch dann, wenn der Betrieb des Prostitutionsgewerbes der Ausbeutung von Prostituierten erkennbar Vorschub leistet, ist die Erlaubnis zu versagen.
Dies drfte regelmig bei sog. Flat-Rate-Bordellen (auch als Pauschal-Club, All-Inclusive-Angebot o. . benannt) der Fall sein, wo zumindest nach auen der Anschein erweckt und damit geworben wird, dass die in einer Prostitutionssttte anwesenden Prostituierten unterschiedslos zu einem an den Betreiber zu entrichtenden Pauschalpreis jederzeit fr jeden Kunden verfgbar sind. Dabei bildet es einen Versto gegen das Prostitutionsgesetz, wenn Prostituierte sich fr ein vorher festgesetztes Entgelt gegenber einem Dritten hier dem Betreiber zur Vornahme einer unbestimmten Zahl sexueller Akte verpflichten. Fr die Beurteilung, ob einer Ausbeutung Vorschub geleistet wird, ist dabei neben der Bewerbung des Angebots nach auen auch die Gestaltung des vertraglichen Binnenverhltnisses zwischen Prostituierten und Betreiber mageblich. Ebenfalls nach Nummer 1 von der Erteilung einer Erlaubnis ausgeschlossen sind Geschftsmodelle, die Prostituierte z. B. durch wucherartige oder intransparente Vertragsbedingungen in eine Situation der Verschuldung gegenber dem Betreiber bringen, sowie Prostitutionsgewerbe, die konzeptionell auf einer Beschftigung von Prostituierten als Scheinselbstndige aufbauen.First, this explicitly forbids gang-bang and flatrate clubs, even if the girls agree to the conditions in the case of gang-bang clubs. With respect to flate-rate clubs, it seems to be that there has to be at least the impression that a girl can refuse a certain customer. That's already the case. So, flat-rate clubs could continue to exist and advertise themselves as such, provided they don't claim that you can have as much sex as you want, but you can have it with whomever you want. So, I don't see a problem here. With gang-bang clubs, advertising as such would be a problem, but, as has happened elsewhere in the past, there is nothing to prevent a "spontaneous" gang-bang--like session.
It also makes it clear that private sex parties are not affected. However, it is also clear that a club can't just claim to be hosting a private party, even if the girls pay entrance fees as well.
Nonsense. First of all, that's not enforcement of the law, that's extortion. My question was how is this new law enforceable. It basically isn't.
As for extortion, I'd tell her I'm paying the 50 and if you make accusations I'll report your extortion. If she executes her threat (1) she still won't get her 500, and (2) it's a he-said-she-said (3) the cops arriving will scare off customers and create bad word of mouth and (4) she'll be banned from the FKK by management for causing same.First, your plan would involve you carrying out the extortion. Second, it is not extortion to report a crime, or to threaten to report one. (Whether this should be a crime is a separate question.).
And, yes, it is enforceable.
If you are not shy, you could also get around the prescriptions of the law if you pretend to be a performer acting for the sole purpose of offering a good show, provided you have an audience, and that you don't allow this audience to partake in your activities:
See Besonderer Teil, Zu Artikel 1, Zu 2, Zu Absatz 1):
Vorfhrungen sexuell konnotierter oder pornografischer Art mit rein darstellerischem Charakter, die von einer oder mehreren Personen vor anderen anwesenden Personen ausgefhrt werden, fallen ebenfalls nicht in den Anwendungsbereich dieses Gesetzes, wenn mit Ausnahme der Darstellerinnen oder Darsteller keine weiteren anwesenden Personen sexuell aktiv einbezogen sind.
Google translation:
Demonstrations sexually connoted or pornographic nature with purely darstellerischem character, performed by one or more persons persons present before others, also fall outside the scope of this Act, if other than the actresses or actors, no further persons present are sexually active included
I think that Swingerlover had already suggested this trick long time before the approval of the law.No, that won't work. It is talking about professional porn actors, registered as such.
So, wouldn't my time with my girl in the Kino count as a performance then if I am getting a public BBBJ?No. Whatever you think of the law, it doesn't have such obvious loopholes.
Knowing this is Germany, they probably have a law that requires you to be registered as a licensed porn-actor under a written contract with the movie-producer or theater owner and of course as an actor you and the girl have both to be paid for your performance (on which income you will pay tax and social security dues).Correct. Simple loopholes won't work.
That's not true, or at least not necessarily so.
"Brothels" (in the very general meaning of the word) will need a license under the new law. Such license can be refused (or revoked) if it appears that the women working in such brothel are not free to decide themselves whether or not to have sex with a customer. That is a requiement under the previous Prostitution-law already. All kind of coercion to force someone to have sex is forbidden. Flat-rate clubs at least give the impression that the girls are not free in their choice and hence a flatrate club will need a system that makes it very clear none of the ladies is under any form of coercion to fulfill her quota of customers beforeshe gets her payment from the club.
It does not take a rocket-scientist (just a good lawyer) to draw up a contract between the prostitute and the club that either gives her the right to refuse sex at any time without risking a cut-back on her wages or that gives her a fixed (reasosnable) sum for every "room" she makes with a customer. In both cases the decision remains hers and the club is not coercing her.
The club should also clearly announce that the flat-rate performers are allowed at any time to refuse to have sex and that no sexual services are guaranteed at all. An advertisement as "all the sex you can have for xxx EUR" would be banned.As long as the club neither requires workers to accept any and all clients, and as long as this impression is not created, no problem.
So is the party over as at July 2017 ?
So is the party over as at July 2017 ?As has been written so many times: wait and see.
We can debate till we are blue in the face but noone knows what will happen until it happens.
For sure there will be unintended consequences, but whether they will be good or bad I don't know.
Depends also on how you define "party". If you want bareback gangbangs, almost certainly yes. Everything else is debatable, but not yet known.
Is the Frankfurt book trade fair all that popular? I'm seeing some really high hotel prices and I'm assuming its because of that event.
http://www.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en/messe/publications/messekalender.html?nc
Hessen Bub
09-30-16, 19:09
Very popular, one of the biggest fairs in Frankfurt. But almost no influence on the Frankfurt clubs as the bookworms are more interested in reading.
HB.
Member #4585
09-30-16, 19:14
Very popular, one of the biggest fairs in Frankfurt. But almost no influence on the Frankfurt clubs as the bookworms are more interested in reading.
HB.Yup. Very true. I have been in the Oase and Sharks club during Book Fair in middle of October and the ckubs are empty. The book buyers like to stay home or in their hotels to read their buys than fuck.
Automechanika and IAA are different stories.
How's the talent at the Frankfurt clubs? What's the ranking from best lineup to worst for Sharks, Oase, World and Mainhattan? And for those who've ventured up towards Dusseldorf how would Aca, Samya, GT, LR and Oceans fit into the mix?
Neurosynth
09-30-16, 20:55
So I'm at a (former?) RTC on a couch with a girl. I whisper in her ear that I want AO. She whispers in mine that she's quite willing. We go to the room. We have AO sex. We leave the room and I pay her.
How in the world are the legal authorities going to be able to arrest and prosecute me, or even know it happened? And if this law is so unenforcible, can there be any doubt that the marketplace competition will result in availability?
My prediction is maybe a 20% drop in availability and a 20% increase in cost.
Very good and after the sex she whispers in your ear "oh darling it was so great and therefore you give me instead of the normal 50 euro now 500 euro otherwise I report you to police and as proof I have your cum in my pussy. And don't worry if you haven't enough cash, there's an ATM. " Triple LOL.
Nonsense. First of all, that's not enforcement of the law, that's extortion. My question was how is this new law enforceable. It basically isn't.
WRONG. First, your plan would involve you carrying out the extortion. Second, it is not extortion to report a crime, or to threaten to report one. (Whether this should be a crime is a separate question.).
And, yes, it is enforceable.Sorry for the multiple quotes, but this conversation has gotten confused.
What I'm saying is that in the scenario I outlined, a more or less typical FKK encounter between 2 wiling people, I don't see how the law can be enforced. If someone can take the scenario I started with at the top, and then add a few lines to the narrative describing how I end up being arrested, I'll be most happy to read same.
My point to Craiova was that he wasn't showing how the law itself could be enforced, he was showing how the law might lead to opportunities for extortion.
My reply was, essentially, that the threat of extortion wouldn't have to be taken seriously because if the girl carried through on her threat, it would significantly hurt her too. She might, for example, lose her job.
Hessen Bub
09-30-16, 21:05
The law is for all varieties of PaySex and not only clubs.
HB.
My point to Craiova was that he wasn't showing how the law itself could be enforced, he was showing how the law might lead to opportunities for extortion.
My reply was, essentially, that the threat of extortion wouldn't have to be taken seriously because if the girl carried through on her threat, it would significantly hurt her too. She might, for example, lose her job.
It also includes all parties involved from the article I read, if a prostitute breaks the law she's also guilty.
Member #4581
09-30-16, 22:00
Very popular, one of the biggest fairs in Frankfurt. But almost no influence on the Frankfurt clubs as the bookworms are more interested in reading.
HB.Interesting. I think of myself as a nerd, but a horny nerd I guess, LOL.
A side topic but who even buys books anymore? It has been ages since I bought a hard copy, since Kindle, iPad etc. Almost 100% of my reading is on some sort of screen now.
Very popular, one of the biggest fairs in Frankfurt. But almost no influence on the Frankfurt clubs as the bookworms are more interested in reading.
HB.Is this another one of your 'expert' analyses? LOL.
Palace is holding their Octoberfest on this bookfair weekend for one purpose, that being all the horny book lovers out there. Each time I have been to that octoberfest event some 80% of the clients came from the book messe.
If you like sexy beermaid outfits, I'd put Palace on my list for the 19th this year though. Easily the sexiest themed event I have been to also... from their website it looks like they have extended it to the 2nd and 3rd of oct as well now. At least the poster has costumes of beermaids as well. A winning formula for sure...
ExpatLover
10-01-16, 01:28
First, this explicitly forbids gang-bang and flatrate clubs, even if the girls agree to the conditions in the case of gang-bang clubs. With respect to flate-rate clubs, it seems to be that there has to be at least the impression that a girl can refuse a certain customer. That's already the case. So, flat-rate clubs could continue to exist and advertise themselves as such, provided they don't claim that you can have as much sex as you want, but you can have it with whomever you want. So, I don't see a problem here. With gang-bang clubs, advertising as such would be a problem, but, as has happened elsewhere in the past, there is nothing to prevent a "spontaneous" gang-bang--like session.
It also makes it clear that private sex parties are not affected. However, it is also clear that a club can't just claim to be hosting a private party, even if the girls pay entrance fees as well.For me the law will touch all the prostitution business in Germany, and I see mainly 2 consequences the first less Romanian girls, more german girls in the FKK as in the past and secondly a increase of the prices. The police will use this law to reinforce all kind of control to be really sure that the girls are completely free to travel and act like they wish.
I am a newbie to FKK, so a question.
- Can the customers bring a smartphone into the club?
I am a newbie to FKK, so a question.
- Can the customers bring a smartphone into the club?It depends on how you plan to use it. To film: probably not in most of the clubs. To browse internet and stuff: some of the NRW clubs do allow it.
I never had success using my smartphone in any of the popular Hessian FKK clubs, partly because of wifi unavailability.
I was able to use it in some of the NRW clubs. GT, LR, ACA and Oceans had wifi and I used my smartphone inside the club for browsing .
Jimmy Boy 99
10-01-16, 03:50
It depends on how you plan to use it. To film: probably not in most of the clubs. To browse internet and stuff: some of the NRW clubs do allow it.
I never had success using my smartphone in any of the popular Hessian FKK clubs, partly because of wifi unavailability.
I was able to use it in some of the NRW clubs. GT, LR, ACA and Oceans had wifi and I used my smartphone inside the club for browsing .Oase has good Wi-Fi (at least in the restaurant / jacuzzi / upstairs lounge area). Mainhattan has it at the entrance to the club. Sharks and World do not have Wi-Fi. Don't know about Palace.
As has been written so many times: wait and see.
You misunderstand. I was curious when the law starts. God damned women and their liberation. Why can't they let me be a dirty old man in peace?
Each time I have been to that octoberfest event some 80% of the clients came from the book messe.No idea where you celebrate Oktoberfest but for sure with this statement never ever at a FKK club.
Hessen Bub
10-01-16, 08:38
No idea where you celebrate Oktoberfest but for sure with this statement never ever at a FKK club.Palace did have some kind of Octoberfest motto parties. But still Buchmesse doesn't have much influence on the clubs. Pistons: Yes, this was one of my expert advice, free for you and all others.
HB.
For me the law will touch all the prostitution business in Germany, and I see mainly 2 consequences the first less Romanian girls, more german girls in the FKK as in the past and secondly a increase of the prices. The police will use this law to reinforce all kind of control to be really sure that the girls are completely free to travel and act like they wish.Why? You think German girls have no pimp? OK they don't make taxi, they play ghost, going to make tattoos.
No idea where you celebrate Oktoberfest but for sure with this statement never ever at a FKK club.Two and three years ago at Palace. I can even tell you which girls were there and the color of their costumes. A few at least.
HB, my point being that perhaps the bookmesse drew more guys to the nearer clubs like Palace/Mainhatten in the past. But who knows now with the recent Automech draw towards Sharks how far the crowds will move...
Still it was not as crowded as during the automech. But still it was about 80% of the palace crowd and the reason why palace is putting their octoberfest party so late and at that date (19th this year, so I will miss it it seems. Though it seems they are having a party tomorrow and on monday also)
Is it practical to ride a bicycle to a club? Would they have somewhere for you to park it?
Is it practical to ride a bicycle to a club? Would they have somewhere for you to park it?Not a problem. Seen it done. But you will humiliated by women driving away in Mercedes.
Is it practical to ride a bicycle to a club? Would they have somewhere for you to park it?At the moment, VIP service is to arrive to FKK on a twin bike driven by a Romanian or Bulgarian or Turkish pimp, to offer him the opportunity to work once in his life. While You fuck his GF, he cleans the bike to drive you back home.
Not a problem. Seen it done. But you will humiliated by women driving away in Mercedes.Not all women. Hottest girl at Artemis (Carrie) drives a small electric car. Perhaps she is into green energy types. And nothing is more green than a bicycle:).
UltraHappy
10-04-16, 00:54
Is it practical to ride a bicycle to a club? Would they have somewhere for you to park it?I would be reluctant to ride a bicycle leaving the club at dark during the night due to low visibility from cars and such. Inclement weather could also be a problem, especially in the winter. If you're just talking about bicycling in nice weather when the sun is out, then I'd say no problem.
If you are Dutch from Amsterdam, then you can ride in all German weather no problem.
Member #4581
10-04-16, 01:53
Not a problem. Seen it done. But you will humiliated by women driving away in Mercedes.Not if you had already fucked her in the ass.
At the moment, VIP service is to arrive to FKK on a twin bike driven by a Romanian or Bulgarian or Turkish pimp, to offer him the opportunity to work once in his life. While You fuck his GF, he cleans the bike to drive you back home.Pimp decline yr generous offer bc why work when he doesn't have to?
Best way to explore the vast FKK land is to take the Sir Sirioja express, LOL.
I hate driving in Germany.
I hate taxi drivers in Germany.
I love public transport in Germany.
I love cycling.
I love FKK clubs.
I hate driving in Germany.
I hate taxi drivers in Germany.
I love public transport in Germany.
I love cycling.
I love FKK clubs.Before, I really loved to drive as fast as grip for tires, sometimes even over, even when was with Xdrive, in Germany, but now works everywhere stress and exhaust me, and also more and more crashes.
I also love my bike, my best summer friend, just finished my season, wait for next summer in my beloved mountains with my new belly.
FKK are my week end relaxing hotels, but better sports to do for holidays.
Pimp decline yr generous offer bc why work when he doesn't have to?...For sure, easier to ask girls to make money being fucked, and to live from this money.
I realize Blue Note is now closed, but was told it had a true disco / night club like feel. Is that true? Are there any other clubs like that? Anyplace where we can meet (and possibly take someone back to hotel)?
Thanks in advance.
BigBuddy69
10-04-16, 21:51
There was no disco feeling at all, it was very quiet.
What is the best way to get Kamagra in Germany?
Member #4585
10-08-16, 02:55
What is the best way to get Kamagra in Germany?Find another customer who has a stash. When friends ask I always give them some of mine. Always good to have some on hand.
Hello fellow FKK lovers,
I will be in Frankfurt on the 25th and 26th of Oct and need your help in deciding which clubs to go to. I was there last in 2013 for three days in which I was able to go to Palace, World and Oase (pre-renovation). My experience with Palace was horrible and a total waste of time. The next day, World was great as far as company and environment is concerned (met a few cool guys) but the girls seemed like they wanted to hang out and drink and chat instead of fuck! Oase was a great experience and met some nice GFE girls although there were a few pushy ones.
Since this time, I will have only two nights, I was thinking going back to Oase and maybe Sharks (since I haven't been there). I will have a car so I can drive to whatever.
Your help would certainly be appreciated and if you happen to be free and join me, that would be awesome.
Thanks,
FLBJLover
It seems to me you already have a good plan and I suggest you stick to it. Revisit the best from the past is always a good idea (Oase, in your own experience) and explore something new to keep the excitement (Sharks). That's exactly how I would have played it.
I can't say service standards at Palace has improved over the last three years, so you do right by skipping it. I still enjoy my World visits and love the place, but the consensus is that quality (optics) has dropped somewhat since your visit in 2013. If your last experience is a bit mixed about the place, then no urgent need for you to pay a revisit right now. In particular midweek.
I am no midweek expert on Sharks, but you may want to consider that Tuesdays are "lingerie day" at Sharks (you will miss the beauty of nudity), and Wednesdays can be crowded with too many men (late at night) because of cheap entry. Your choice. It's still worth a visit.
Mainhattan or a revisit to World are your obvious alternatives (if Sharks or Oase let you down).
Have fun!
And please file a report of your findings.
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I can't say service standards at Palace has improved over the last three years, so you do right by skipping it.S16 I agree with your whole post but one remark. We shouldn't expect improved service standards at Palace, the trend in the last three years was more that Oase, Mainhattan and Sharks also move slowly in the reduced or cost extra service standards. At the moment they are still on a better service level but even at the best average service big5 club World I hear more often for DFK or BL cost extra. The trend isn't our friend.
Wolvenvacht
10-10-16, 19:23
What is the best way to get Kamagra in Germany?Depends on what you mean by "best".
If you mean "best = legal" then you must convince a doctor to give you a prescription and go to a local pharmacy. Perhaps you can convince him you need it to fight jet-lag ("Sildenafil accelerates reentrainment of circadian rhythms after advancing light schedules" in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America http://www.pnas.org/content/104/23/9834.abstract).
However, I'm not sure whether Kamagra is even legaly sold in Germany, even though Pfizer's patent for Viagra expired more than 3 years ago. There may be other generic versions other than Kamagra available though (but equally only available with a proper prescription).
What is the best way to get Kamagra in Germany?From what I understand trying to get any over the counter drugs sold in the states is impossible to get from the local store in Germany, why would erectile drugs be any easier?
What is the best way to get Kamagra in Germany?Forget about Kamagra. There's over half a dozen Sildenafil generics in Germany. German doctors are not at all reluctant to prescribe sildenafil. To make a visit to a doctor worthwhile financially copy this image and ask him / her to prescribe this:
https://www.dred.com/images/meds/2015images/sildenafil-hexal-100mg.jpg
24 x 100 MG that's the maximum that can be prescribed on one prescription. Sildehexal tablets have saccharine in them so in a spot you can chew them without wanting to throw up.
If you're middle aged or older you will get the prescription no questions asked except the doc may ask you if you have any heart condition. You may tell him / her about FKKs and how you travel all the way from the US to visit FKKs. He / her will find it funny or intriguing. Tell him / her that in the US you get arrested with your mug in the paper if you're caught seeking prostitutes. He / She will sympathize if anything and be proud to show you how easy going Germans are compared to the US, no mug in the paper + sildenafil prescription, how better can it get?
If you don't know of any doctor go to a pharmacy and ask them to indicate a doctor who can prescribe sildenafil, they will point you to one so that you can reemerge half an hour later with a prescription for them to sell you the goods. Business is business as long as it's legal.
Forget about Kamagra. There's over half a dozen Sildenafil generics in Germany. German doctors are not at all reluctant to prescribe sildenafil. To make a visit to a doctor worthwhile financially copy this image and ask him / her to prescribe this:
https://www.dred.com/images/meds/2015images/sildenafil-hexal-100mg.jpg
24 x 100 MG that's the maximum that can be prescribed on one prescription. Sildehexal tablets have saccharine in them so in a spot you can chew them without wanting to throw up.
If you're middle aged or older you will get the prescription no questions asked except the doc may ask you if you have any heart condition. You may tell him / her about FKKs and how you travel all the way from the US to visit FKKs. He / her will find it funny or intriguing. Tell him / her that in the US you get arrested with your mug in the paper if you're caught seeking prostitutes. He / She will sympathize if anything and be proud to show you how easy going Germans are compared to the US, no mug in the paper + sildenafil prescription, how better can it get?
If you don't know of any doctor go to a pharmacy and ask them to indicate a doctor who can prescribe sildenafil, they will point you to one so that you can reemerge half an hour later with a prescription for them to sell you the goods. Business is business as long as it's legal.Aren't Germans mostly ultra left wing pussies who think all prostitutes are slaves or something? I would have thought admitting to going to an FKK would get you lynched by a mob of European hipsters.
Jokes aside. I have low testosterone. So I need drugs.
Aren't Germans mostly ultra left wing pussies who think all prostitutes are slaves or something? I would have thought admitting to going to an FKK would get you lynched by a mob of European hipsters.
Jokes aside. Joke noted, but still not applicable. If this were the case, Germany wouldn't have the most liberal prostitution laws in the entire world. There really is a silent majority.
Anyone have recommendations for the best line ups for Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays? I would normally go to Sharks on Wednesday but am trying to add some more variety this week and just wanted to get some input from you all.
Thanks!
Anyone have recommendations for the best line ups for Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays? I would normally go to Sharks on Wednesday but am trying to add some more variety this week and just wanted to get some input from you all.
Thanks!LR is my best at the moment, after 6 pm. GFE land.
World seem to improve for casting.
Aca don't worth yet.
RTFF I have found two things, that we need to keep a watch of the time all time, while in the room or a 30 min 50 E session will end up in a 100 E session if one crosses 30 minutes to 35 minutes. So, are there wall clocks in the rooms, or we are suppose to wear a watch.
I have seen some FKKs advertising Free Wifi inside. Are we allowed to keep our mobile phone with us in the FKKs? If yes are there charging points and small lockers inside also so that we can keep it there temporarily if we go in to the pool, or bath, or just for charging, etc (Similar to ones in Macau saunas).
Can the expats enlighten me a bit and oblige. I am shortly on a 5 day FKK visit to Frankfurt. I have planned to visit all 5 big FKKs, in and around Frankfurt. Will be staying at Frankfurt Main (Bahnofsverteil), namely, Sharks, Oase, Mainhatten, Palace and if possible World. Would like to experience the Flatrate party treff 188 (Eschborn) too if time permits. Will try to experience the Table dance / Strip tease at Pure Platinum, or Solid Gold, wanted to explore Dr Muller Kino, Biete Gasse / Eros (RLD) and so on. Don't know how much I will be able to cover in 5 days. Any expert suggestion is welcome.
Thanks in anticipation.
RTFF I have found two things, that we need to keep a watch of the time all time, while in the room or a 30 min 50 E session will end up in a 100 E session if one crosses 30 minutes to 35 minutes. So, are there wall clocks in the rooms, or we are suppose to wear a watch.
I have seen some FKKs advertising Free Wifi inside. Are we allowed to keep our mobile phone with us in the FKKs? If yes are there charging points and small lockers inside also so that we can keep it there temporarily if we go in to the pool, or bath, or just for charging, etc (Similar to ones in Macau saunas).
Can the expats enlighten me a bit and oblige. I am shortly on a 5 day FKK visit to Frankfurt. I have planned to visit all 5 big FKKs, in and around Frankfurt. Will be staying at Frankfurt Main (Bahnofsverteil), namely, Sharks, Oase, Mainhatten, Palace and if possible World. Would like to experience the Flatrate party treff 188 (Eschborn) too if time permits. Will try to experience the Table dance / Strip tease at Pure Platinum, or Solid Gold, wanted to explore Dr Muller Kino, Biete Gasse / Eros (RLD) and so on. Don't know how much I will be able to cover in 5 days. Any expert suggestion is welcome.
Thanks in anticipation.Buy cheap wristwatch. You will discover that girls are far less inclined to cheat you (I even experienced a guy in Berlin using a non-working watch to great effect). That being said if you spend 30+ minutes in the room (chatting or having sex) even if by couple of minutes, expect the girl to charge you full hour (because she has experienced many cheapskates trying to prolong their "30 minutes" session into a 40-min session at 30-min price). That being said, girl that knows you will not be bothered if you stayed couple of minutes extra.
As to you 5-days plan, I would not bother to visit all the places you want but rather focus on things that interests me most (striptease is waste of money IMHO. Go to FKK and watch the naked girls if you so desire. And then pound them.). But go after whatever interests you, I am merely advising you not to try to do everything in a five day period.
RTFF I have found two things, that we need to keep a watch of the time all time, while in the room or a 30 min 50 E session will end up in a 100 E session if one crosses 30 minutes to 35 minutes. So, are there wall clocks in the rooms, or we are suppose to wear a watch.
I have seen some FKKs advertising Free Wifi inside. Are we allowed to keep our mobile phone with us in the FKKs? If yes are there charging points and small lockers inside also so that we can keep it there temporarily if we go in to the pool, or bath, or just for charging, etc (Similar to ones in Macau saunas).
Can the expats enlighten me a bit and oblige. I am shortly on a 5 day FKK visit to Frankfurt. I have planned to visit all 5 big FKKs, in and around Frankfurt. Will be staying at Frankfurt Main (Bahnofsverteil), namely, Sharks, Oase, Mainhatten, Palace and if possible World. Would like to experience the Flatrate party treff 188 (Eschborn) too if time permits. Will try to experience the Table dance / Strip tease at Pure Platinum, or Solid Gold, wanted to explore Dr Muller Kino, Biete Gasse / Eros (RLD) and so on. Don't know how much I will be able to cover in 5 days. Any expert suggestion is welcome.
Thanks in anticipation.1. Wear a watch and keep an eye on the time.
2. If the FKK says free wifi, expect that you can use your phone / tablet in the main areas. Photos are forbidden! There will not be anywhere to charge your phone.
Hessen Bub
10-17-16, 20:53
2. If the FKK says free wifi, expect that you can use your phone / tablet in the main areas. Photos are forbidden! There will not be anywhere to charge your phone.Depends on the club. Palace has free WiFi but phones are only allowed next to the reception.
HB.
So how does one go about telling a girl NO? You don't want to upset the girl and tell her flat out that she's not your type. I usually go with "I'm not ready yet" or "maybe later". I don't want to rule out a girl, never know if your opinion changes. I'll also mimic sleeping by laying my head on my hand then pointing at my dick and saying "he's tired".
Today I had the girl who took exception to the maybe later comment. I had dropped one of those free airline earphones and noticed a girl I know across the way looking at them, got her attention and she threw them at me. It was then a girl next to me said I should thank the girl by taking her to the room. I then gave my token "I will later" and the girl started going off on me. Said how would you like it if every girl told you maybe later. Almost laughed in her face, thought about how much money I'd be saving.
PussyLiccker
10-17-16, 23:55
Sounds like she's having a bad day with many maybe laters. Probably had enough of it and exploded. They're only human.
Typically, I will be interested in fraction of the girls in the club depending on the scale, and if the club has approachers, most often they'd be outside the that small fraction. I prefer non-approach. Saves me and them the hassle.
If I'm not interested, I just say I'm waiting on somebody.
Senario I dislike is when I approach a girl and don't find her attractive up close (light is dim, etc.). I hate those scenarios. LOL. I think of some lame excuses.
Horny Harry
10-18-16, 07:07
Sounds like she's having a bad day with many maybe laters. Probably had enough of it and exploded. They're only human.
Typically, I will be interested in fraction of the girls in the club depending on the scale, and if the club has approachers, most often they'd be outside the that small fraction. I prefer non-approach. Saves me and them the hassle.True, I agree but a lot of girls simply continue approaching even if there is no chemistry or eye contact from the man's side. I've posted this funny link from The Onion before, and it seems a lot of girls are determined to keep on running into a brick wall just like the guy in the story Courageous Man Overcomes Womans Body Language To Continue Hitting On Her: http://www.theonion.com/article/courageous-man-overcomes-womans-body-language-to-c-38152.
Don't they always say that women are much more observant than men to little details, and that women are much smarter when it comes to assessing emotional matters like a man's body language when he is sexually attracted, or is this yet another one of those politically correct feminist lies? 😎
It seems that when the tables are turned, women do not perform any better than men in the so-called "pick-up game" IMHO, with the same lame pick-up lines: "Hi, how are you, what's your name, is this your first time here (the female version of "do you come here often?" 😂 ), where are you from?"
Senario I dislike is when I approach a girl and don't find her attractive up close (light is dim, etc.). I hate those scenarios. LOL. I think of some lame excuses.Yeah that's a lousy scenario, this happened to me a little while ago at Sharks. I forgot her name but I spotted a cute Romanian girl a few times from a distance (great body, nice breasts, long dark hair, little tattoo on the left side of her belly button) but when I said "hello," I noticed pretty bad facial skin and expressionless eyes, and I was suddenly completely turned off. In such a scenario I usually say that I'm not ready yet, but I that I just wanted to say a quick "hello," before she disappears upstairs with a customer.
PussyLiccker
10-18-16, 07:36
All I need is a warm welcoming smile, and I'm good to go. LOL. I understand some are desperately out to make a buck.
Ha. We're talkin about WGs here. They don't seem to be all that observant when I just come out of the room and proposes to get me peter right back up. Or massage time or whatever. Observations don't really matter when it comes to who is ready or not. We all are ready as far as they see it. If anything, they have 7th sense of dollar signs.
So, when I'm not intersted or ready, I'm always waitin for someone. LOL.
Or am I the only one on here who's tried it? Started out with a girl who had a tounge piercing stick the tip of the piercing down the dick [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) hole. It then progressed to girls with small pinky fingers (no long nails) sticking the tip of their finger in. Mind you that you have to have a huge one.
Have to say the combination of a BJ and then getting a little finger or piercing fuck is extremely intense. You'll then have girls sticking the tip of their tounge into the hole.
And a P.S. To the ao guys, managed ao with a smoking hot chick at one of the major FKK's by repeating with her. All it took was some intense wet BJ then having her climb up and rub her pussy on the tip for things to happen. She wanted ten euros extra, I gave her fifty. I do love the no condom feeling but really hate those drab little ao clubs. The ten was quoted for the bare pussy rubbing, no price was discussed for the bareback, that just worked itself out.
ExpatLover
10-18-16, 23:30
RTFF I have found two things, that we need to keep a watch of the time all time, while in the room or a 30 min 50 E session will end up in a 100 E session if one crosses 30 minutes to 35 minutes. So, are there wall clocks in the rooms, or we are suppose to wear a watch.
I have seen some FKKs advertising Free Wifi inside. Are we allowed to keep our mobile phone with us in the FKKs? If yes are there charging points and small lockers inside also so that we can keep it there temporarily if we go in to the pool, or bath, or just for charging, etc (Similar to ones in Macau saunas).
Can the expats enlighten me a bit and oblige. I am shortly on a 5 day FKK visit to Frankfurt. I have planned to visit all 5 big FKKs, in and around Frankfurt. Will be staying at Frankfurt Main (Bahnofsverteil), namely, Sharks, Oase, Mainhatten, Palace and if possible World. Would like to experience the Flatrate party treff 188 (Eschborn) too if time permits. Will try to experience the Table dance / Strip tease at Pure Platinum, or Solid Gold, wanted to explore Dr Muller Kino, Biete Gasse / Eros (RLD) and so on. Don't know how much I will be able to cover in 5 days. Any expert suggestion is welcome.
Thanks in anticipation.Except Oase no use of phone will be allowed inside the FKK except reception areas and changing rooms. I will not recommend you to visit party treff 188, table dance and all the RLD they are not playing in the same category that the big FKK you mentioned, waste of time and money for me. The LU are changing day by day don t hesitate to go back to the same FKK at different times (2 shifts), and try to visit World it is worth it. Good luck.
So how does one go about telling a girl NO? You don't want to upset the girl and tell her flat out that she's not your type. I usually go with "I'm not ready yet" or "maybe later". I don't want to rule out a girl, never know if your opinion changes. I'll also mimic sleeping by laying my head on my hand then pointing at my dick and saying "he's tired".
Today I had the girl who took exception to the maybe later comment. I had dropped one of those free airline earphones and noticed a girl I know across the way looking at them, got her attention and she threw them at me. It was then a girl next to me said I should thank the girl by taking her to the room. I then gave my token "I will later" and the girl started going off on me. Said how would you like it if every girl told you maybe later. Almost laughed in her face,thought about how much money I'd be saving.Everyone knows "maybe later" is just a bullshit way of saying "No Thanks"I would rather be straight and say no thanks, if girl is clearly no possibility.
"I have no money left" is a good option if you are not doing any more sessions.
Everyone knows "maybe later" is just a bullshit way of saying "No Thanks"I would rather be straight and say no thanks, if girl is clearly no possibility.The problem arises when you really mean 'maybe later'. What then if she gets angry at you, thinking you turned her down for good?
Now, I've come to realise there are several ways of saying 'maybe later'... but body language is important, and you might need to add a comment after the 'maybe later' if you really mean later, lol
Except Oase no use of phone will be allowed inside the FKK except reception areas and changing rooms .On this Sunday with slow business at World and empty after midnight, I often saw girls using their phone downstairs because they were bored and tired to wait. As I m not a fat belly German with a little skirt, I didn't run to the desk to cry they were making videos of me, I was just happy for them they could relax.
I saw many times guys having their phone controlled by staff, at GT. When German fat belly specialist with little skirt went to desk to cry I was using my phone, nobody asked me to control my phone, at Sharks.
PussyLiccker
10-19-16, 05:06
Now, I've come to realise there are several ways of saying 'maybe later'... but body language is important, Yeah, I have turned away with a big boner in the past.
PussyLiccker
10-19-16, 05:17
"I have no money left" is a good option if you are not doing any more sessions.I ask if they offer 6 for 4 option. 2 for 1, me and a buddy together for a single rate. Or happy HR specials.
The problem arises when you really mean 'maybe later'. What then if she gets angry at you, thinking you turned her down for good?
Now, I've come to realise there are several ways of saying 'maybe later'... but body language is important, and you might need to add a comment after the 'maybe later' if you really mean later, lolWhen you are known by girls at Sharks, World or Oase where they remember, I just say I have an appointment. Only new girls will dare to ask: with who? And then answer: You know who I am? Then they don't insist.
Citizen Kane
10-19-16, 07:05
"I have no money left" is a good option.That works on all women not just one's in clubs.
Neurosynth
10-19-16, 07:25
That works on all women not just one's in clubs.Ha! Good one!
That works on all women not just one's in clubs.The only difference is, in FKK's the girls know what you spent them on? Haha.
If you had to choose on a Wednesday. Living Room or Samya? Or any other recommendations besides Sharks for Wednesdays?
Or am I the only one on here who's tried it? Started out with a girl who had a tounge piercing stick the tip of the piercing down the dick hole. It then progressed to girls with small pinky fingers (no long nails) sticking the tip of their finger in. Mind you that you have to have a huge one.
Have to say the combination of a BJ and then getting a little finger or piercing fuck is extremely intense. You'll then have girls sticking the tip of their tounge into the hole.
I don't think that that would turn me on. On the other hand, I really like being rimmed, with a tongue deep up my arse. Fingers, less so. I also like to rim. Apparently most girls don't get it often and really enjoy it when they do.
Somewhere on the web (maybe at Eroprofile) there is a video of an urethra fuck. So, it is a girl getting it in the hole, and not with a finger but with a big cock.
I will be traveling through Frankfurt on my way to Dubai the week before Christmas, from Dec 13-22. I can make my flight arrangements to spend a few days in Frankfurt to experience the nearby FKKs, but before I did so, can anyone let me know if things slow down during that time frame and so it may not be a good time to experience the FKKs?
(I'll RTFF on the specific FKKs if I plan to attend any during that time frame).
Bijou Yes, the lineup will be depleted, but, unless you are going for a particular girl who is absent, there will be more than enough girls working.
Hessen Bub
10-19-16, 16:40
Except Oase no use of phone will be allowed inside the FKK except reception areas and changing rooms. That is true for Hessen. In most NRW clubs phones are allowed everywhere.
HB.
I don't think that that would turn me on. On the other hand, I really like being rimmed, with a tongue deep up my arse. Fingers, less so. I also like to rim. Apparently most girls don't get it often and really enjoy it when they do.
Somewhere on the web (maybe at Eroprofile) there is a video of an urethra fuck. So, it is a girl getting it in the hole, and not with a finger but with a big cock.Most girls tell you that licking their asshole is extra, that's why they don't get it often. If you've never paid them for licking their hole I'd be shocked.
For those who might want to schedule a trip and avoid Frankfurt trade fairs (Messe).
https://www.messefrankfurt.com/content/dam/corporate/messe/publikationen/Kal_A4_FFM_2017_E_web_final.pdf
Bijou Yes, the lineup will be depleted, but, unless you are going for a particular girl who is absent, there will be more than enough girls working.And how about the week between Christmas and new year day? Will LU be good enough? Let's say 7/8 of 10? Thanks.
Hessen Bub
10-19-16, 23:04
Most girls tell you that licking their asshole is extra, that's why they don't get it often. If you've never paid them for licking their hole I'd be shocked.That's not an extra. Her licking your hole, yes. But vice versa I've never paid and have not been asked to.
HB.
ExpatLover
10-20-16, 00:12
I will be traveling through Frankfurt on my way to Dubai the week before Christmas, from Dec 13-22. I can make my flight arrangements to spend a few days in Frankfurt to experience the nearby FKKs, but before I did so, can anyone let me know if things slow down during that time frame and so it may not be a good time to experience the FKKs?
(I'll RTFF on the specific FKKs if I plan to attend any during that time frame).There will be some slow down may be after the 20 or 22 but always enough girls. Mid of December there will be a lot of girls trying to earn some money before returning home for Christmas. Most of the girls are from Romania and they don't need many day to return home just 2 hours plane. Don t worry and enjoy.
Member #4581
10-20-16, 01:36
Most girls tell you that licking their asshole is extra, that's why they don't get it often. If you've never paid them for licking their hole I'd be shocked.I would not lick if they paid me a grand. LOL.
I did pay someone to get rimmed a couple of times. Itch scratched. Moved on.
PussyLiccker
10-20-16, 03:17
If you had to choose on a Wednesday. Living Room or Samya? Or any other recommendations besides Sharks for Wednesdays?LR.
It's best to avoid LR on a busy weekend night (Fri or Sat). Wednesday should be fine.
I would not lick if they paid me a grand. LOL.Ok, I won't pay you a grand, but what if I pay you a grandmother? (You know who) :p
Most girls tell you that licking their asshole is extra, that's why they don't get it often. If you've never paid them for licking their hole I'd be shocked.I don t pay for DATY. When good hygiene, DATY can be from above clit to inside vagina and inside ass, also with fingers. Some girls ask you to put fingers and rub clit on your tongue. Some have ass opening while DATY.
No extra asked and I never tip.
There will be some slow down may be after the 20 or 22 but always enough girls. Mid of December there will be a lot of girls trying to earn some money before returning home for Christmas. Most of the girls are from Romania and they don't need many day to return home just 2 hours plane. Don t worry and enjoy.
Bijou Yes, the lineup will be depleted, but, unless you are going for a particular girl who is absent, there will be more than enough girls working.Thanks for the responses. I will plan to stay a few days in Frankfurt to experience the FKKs on my way to Dubai which will be around Dec 13-14. I'll start RTFF on the Frankfurt FKKs.
If any of you FKK vets would be open to taking a newbie around, please PM me.
Member #4581
10-20-16, 15:21
Ok, I won't pay you a grand, but what if I pay you a grandmother? (You know who) :pLikewise. If I walked into the club and the only ones I see are a hundred clones of good old Sylvie, I would drink my cup of cappuccino and calmly walk out and tick off that club from my list forever.
Perhaps one needs to be a strapping young hunk to find the attraction in Sylvana. Perhaps those guys have the game to pick young beauties in grocery stores at the snap of a finger and need to come to the clubs to shag Sylvana. LOL.
Likewise. If I walked into the club and the only ones I see are a hundred clones of good old Sylvie, I would drink my cup of cappuccino and calmly walk out and tick off that club from my list forever.
Perhaps one needs to be a strapping young hunk to find the attraction in Sylvana. Perhaps those guys have the game to pick young beauties in grocery stores at the snap of a finger and need to come to the clubs to shag Sylvana. LOL.So you are saying you wouldn't eat Sylvie's A if I paid for it to happen? I heard her juices taste like cappuccino.
No issues at all in Shark and Manhattan.
Was planning a Germany trip for the famous FKK experience in last week October and 1st week November. Was curious how racial these clubs are? Do they allow everyone to enter or discriminate against some. RTFF found some reports, that doorkeepers deny entry to some, or some people are overcharged. Me being an Indian, need to clarify these things in advance so that I may not select a wrong mongering destination. I had enough of fun in Bangkok, Pattaya, Macau. Wanted to try the famous German FKK scene.
Was planning to take a flight to Frankfurt, as it is in the centre, for a 5 day trip. Would like to cover Dusseldorf, Cologne, and if possible Stuttgart. Is it possible to self explore on public transports and taxis? I have heard that if anyone arrive by taxi to these clubs there is a 30 Euro surcharge? Have heard about the FKKtours etc but those seem to be too expensive only for transportation and lodging.
Can the experienced ones be kind enough to throw some light and guide? One can PM me too.
Thanks,
Raju.
Member #4581
10-21-16, 15:30
So you are saying you wouldn't eat Sylvie's A if I paid for it to happen? I heard her juices taste like cappuccino.I don't think what I wrote is difficult to understand for anyone that understands English *reasonably well*. If you are so enamored with eating her ass, go ahead; sounds like you have some firsthand knowledge there.
BiBich1970
10-21-16, 23:18
That lady is awesome! I absolutely loathe the increasingly common trend of women shaving themselves. I just love a naturally hairy Bush on a woman, and this lady is perfect! I'd just love to bury my face between those thighs!
RGThanks a lot man.
Member #4585
10-22-16, 03:14
perhaps one needs to be a strapping young hunk to find the attraction in Sylvana. Perhaps those guys have the game to pick young beauties in grocery stores at the snap of a finger and need to come to the clubs to shag Sylvana. LOL.Then you would be a grand mother fucker and not a mother fucker.
Silvana is from the Veneto region of Italy which may explain her approach to hunting men. She has only been doing this job since 2011.
This is question for those who drive to the FKK land either around Frankfurt or NRW area.
Ever since I found FKK 2 years ago, I got hooked. I am die hard believer on public transit and walk if there is sun out. However, I found that I was missing that mobility car gave to me if I really wanted to go check multiple club a day. I normally booked my hotel close to whatever club I was visiting that day and would enjoyed that club. One problem which happened twice for me was sometime, I could not find any girl in that club that I would want to have room. I am thinking on next trip in early April, I would like to get car so I could move around. I drive everyday at my home town in Nor California. So one to two HR a day is no big deal for me. I would like to know from your guys: Where is best place for anchor hotel near Frankfurt or NRW area if I would like to stay and explore that area for 2-3 days before I move to other area. I don't want to move to different hotel every day but I sure don't want to drive more then 2 hrs a day. Any suggestions or advises?
Thanks,
Da
DaWong. For the Frankfurt area I used to use the Mercure (24 hour front desk) at Friedichsdorf if I could get a good price. 25 minutes to World, 20 to Oase, 40 minutes Sharks. Parking normally good, but occasionally I had to park on the street a couple of hundred metres away. Note that the A5 out of Frankfurt going north is almost always jammed in he evening rush hour.
Depends really on what club you want to use as your base.
NRW is more difficult to recommend as the clubs are spread out and at certain time of day on certain autobahns traffic is horrendous. If you decide what clubs you want to go to then try Airbnb. Hotel Mettmann in Mettmann is excellent value and very friendly.
Banana Boi
10-25-16, 10:04
Anything near the A5 from Eschborn to Niederrad is good. Within 30 minutes from all clubs. Palace and Mainhattan very close. Offenbach works as well.
In NRW, I move around but if you want to stay in one anchor hotel you're better off finding a place near a highway in Dusseldorf itself. Letting us know which clubs you prefer in NRW would really help.
Just use google maps for driving directions and it tells you the time it takes. With traffic jams included. (Mercure friedsrichsdorf to Oase tells me 11 min. And to world it is 39 min right now with 6 min traffic jams included). 38 min to sharks. But in reality you go much faster on the A5 than what google tells you if you avoid rush... but with a car you can stay anywhere. So it doesn't matter. Just search.
Pistons, Banans Boi and Optimist.
Guys, Thank you so much for your quick response. That is why I love this board. Everyone is ready to share and help. It make our mongers life so much easier. One more question if I may ask:
I normally rent car from Hertz or Avis in US and Canada. If I use their GPS, are they only in German. I am thinking to buy myself a Tomtom GPS this Christmas. Any good recommendation for brand and models?
Thanks again.
Citizen Kane
10-25-16, 17:28
Parking normally good, but occasionally I had to park on the street a couple of hundred metres away.Just park in the very large Rewe car park next door. At least that's what the hotel staff told me to do. It has been a couple of years since I stayed there though.
ExpatLover
10-25-16, 19:04
This is question for those who drive to the FKK land either around Frankfurt or NRW area.
Ever since I found FKK 2 years ago, I got hooked. I am die hard believer on public transit and walk if there is sun out. However, I found that I was missing that mobility car gave to me if I really wanted to go check multiple club a day. I normally booked my hotel close to whatever club I was visiting that day and would enjoyed that club. One problem which happened twice for me was sometime, I could not find any girl in that club that I would want to have room. I am thinking on next trip in early April, I would like to get car so I could move around. I drive everyday at my home town in Nor California. So one to two HR a day is no big deal for me. I would like to know from your guys: Where is best place for anchor hotel near Frankfurt or NRW area if I would like to stay and explore that area for 2-3 days before I move to other area. I don't want to move to different hotel every day but I sure don't want to drive more then 2 hrs a day. Any suggestions or advises?
Thanks,
DaDepends on your budget and if clubbing is the only activity for you, Frankfurt railway station area will offer you a vast choice of hotel with competitive prices with easy access to palace, Manhattan (with taxi or S bahn) 30 to 45 minutes drive to Shark or World. Also very convenient to visit Frankfurt by walking, many different kind of restaurants around far less boring for me than staying outside Frankfurt.
Banana Boi
10-26-16, 01:13
Mercure friedsrichsdorf to oase tells me 11 min. Isn't it closer to 5 minutes than 11 or do I drive too fast?
For parking at Mercure Friedrichsdorf, hotel staff told me to park in the auto dealership across the street (info may be outdated). I can't really recommend Mercure hotels to anyone, Rooms are tiny and very basic. I did use to make this hotel my main base when Oase used to be a daily visit in Hessen.
Jimmy Boy 99
10-26-16, 01:25
Just park in the very large Rewe car park next door. At least that's what the hotel staff told me to do. It has been a couple of years since I stayed there though.I was there this July and the advice was the same but to park in the parking spaces next to the hotel in the Rewe parking lot.
UltraHappy
10-26-16, 02:19
I was there this July and the advice was the same but to park in the parking spaces next to the hotel in the Rewe parking lot.Mercure has a special deal with Rewe next door. You can use the last row of Rewe parking spaces that are just adjacent to the hotel for hotel parking. There is one day a year when Rewe has a special flea market thing in their parking lot and they don't allow any hotel parking in their grocery store parking lot on this day. But the hotel will put up signs in the lobby and in the elevators so you will have plenty of notice when you can't park in the Rewe parking lot. Sometimes Rewe puts down their draw-arms down when they are closed on Sunday during the night. But this is no problem. It is easy to drive around these traffic arms.
Also, during the weekend, the auto repair shop across the street is closed. It is no problem to park there in their parking lot during the weekend if there are any open parking spaces left there as long as you are sure to move your car by first thing Monday morning before they open.
Isn't it closer to 5 minutes than 11 or do I drive too fast?
For parking at Mercure Friedrichsdorf, hotel staff told me to park in the auto dealership across the street (info may be outdated). I can't really recommend Mercure hotels to anyone, Rooms are tiny and very basic. I did use to make this hotel my main base when Oase used to be a daily visit in Hessen.I agree. I stayed there once on my first trip to Oase a few years ago after mentions here on the forum. Never again. Later I've only stayed downtown Frankfurt as also mentioned here below.
11 min sounds like a lot, but I think the speed limit is quite low as well. As for GPS, nothing beats having a smartphone with Google Maps. These other GPS devices are crap in comparison.
Invaluable is any device which gives live traffic updates.
Invaluable is any device which gives live traffic updates.All smart phones do this, you don't need to buy an expensive GPS which may or may not update traffic conditions fast enough.
Does a day trip to Brussels out of Frankfurt make sense? Just for sight seeing. Is Brussels worth it? Although I think if I take ICE train, I'll get 5 or 6 hrs only in the city.
TIA.
All smart phones do this, you don't need to buy an expensive GPS which may or may not update traffic conditions fast enough.The problem for us -fly in guys is that we normally only have limited data plan on our German sim card, so GPS is only thing we got.
Hi guys,
I'll be in amsterdam for a few days next month and want to make a daytrip to an FKK (which must be easily doable using mostly trains).
Looks like there are 3 main options: YinYang, Goldentime, or Livingroom, with yinyang being the shortest journey and Livingroom being longest. Which of these do you guys think would be the best option? Priority for me is quality of line-up on a Tuesday or Wednesday and I'd have to leave early enough to get a train back to amsterdam on the same day.
Banana Boi
10-27-16, 06:20
Looks like there are 3 main options: YinYang, Goldentime, or Livingroom, with yinyang being the shortest journey and Livingroom being longest. I'm thinking your answer is going to be the fact that the only place accessible by train will be LR. I'm not a public transportation guy but almost certain Bruggen (GT) is inaccessible by train and Roermond (YY) may have a train to the Outlet Mall but not near the club.
if you're in Amsterdam for a few days why not spend more than just a day trip for the sauna clubs?
Does a day trip to Brussels out of Frankfurt make sense? Just for sight seeing. Is Brussels worth it? Although I think if I take ICE train, I'll get 5 or 6 hrs only in the city.
TIA.Unless you want to retrace the footsteps of Jacques Brel, I would say definitely no. If you want sightseeing there are loads of places near Frankfurt
DarkSmurf. If you check via www.bahn.de you will see that GT is in practice undoable on a day trip. LR is little better. The problem is that the train routes across the border are limited and infrequent. As BB says, much better to do at least do an overnight in NRW.
If you really only have one day, hire a car
Horny Harry
10-27-16, 12:02
The problem for us -fly in guys is that we normally only have limited data plan on our German sim card, so GPS is only thing we got.Get Citymaps2 go. You can download complete countries, provinces, states and large metropolitan areas for offline navigation. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/citymaps2go-plan-trips-travel/id408866084?mt=8.
Personally I would avoid the offline Google Maps. If I understand it correctly, it requires you to have a Google account and sign in and I guess that then they could theoretically track your movements. Fuck that NSA shit!
I'm thinking your answer is going to be the fact that the only place accessible by train will be LR. I'm not a public transportation guy but almost certain Bruggen (GT) is inaccessible by train and Roermond (YY) may have a train to the Outlet Mall but not near the club.
if you're in Amsterdam for a few days why not spend more than just a day trip for the sauna clubs?When I went to GT I came by train / taxi. Just dropped of at Breyell. Taxi was something between 14 and 17 euro from the station to GT. Cannot remember exactly. Seemed quite accessible to me, but trains only go once an hour between there iirc, so checking scheduels may be a good idea for sure...
The problem for us -fly in guys is that we normally only have limited data plan on our German sim card, so GPS is only thing we got.For Android, get Navmii as it is offline navigation. You can download the country maps before you leave. I use it all the time in Germany. Also Google Maps now has offline maps that you can set up before you go and keep for 30 days, then you can use data for the navigation and avoiding road closures or heavy traffic.
The problem for us -fly in guys is that we normally only have limited data plan on our German sim card, so GPS is only thing we got.I'm a fly in guy from the states and my cell provider gives me free texts and unlimited data free of charge in almost every country I feel like visiting.
Guys, thanks for your feedback, I think that GT is doable if I take a train as far as venlo and a taxi from there? Similar story for YinYang I think. But in terms of comparing the lineup between GT, YY and LR how would the 3 compare? I might consider overnight hotel nearby if I'm desperate but first I need to make up my mind as to which of these are most worth going to, as I understand it the GT lineup has declined somewhat while LR has been improving. But which is th better option on say, a Wednesday?
DarkSmurf. If you check via www.bahn.de you will see that GT is in practice undoable on a day trip. LR is little better. The problem is that the train routes across the border are limited and infrequent. As BB says, much better to do at least do an overnight in NRW.
If you really only have one day, hire a car
I'm thinking your answer is going to be the fact that the only place accessible by train will be LR. I'm not a public transportation guy but almost certain Bruggen (GT) is inaccessible by train and Roermond (YY) may have a train to the Outlet Mall but not near the club.
if you're in Amsterdam for a few days why not spend more than just a day trip for the sauna clubs?
When I went to GT I came by train / taxi. Just dropped of at Breyell. Taxi was something between 14 and 17 euro from the station to GT. Cannot remember exactly. Seemed quite accessible to me, but trains only go once an hour between there iirc, so checking scheduels may be a good idea for sure...
Banana Boi
10-29-16, 01:38
I think that GT is doable if I take a train as far as venlo and a taxi from there? Similar story for YinYang I think. But in terms of comparing the lineup between GT, YY and LR how would the 3 compare? I might consider overnight hotel nearby if I'm desperate but first I need to make up my mind as to which of these are most worth going to, as I understand it the GT lineup has declined somewhat while LR has been improving. But which is th better option on say, a Wednesday?I'm just guessing but a taxi from Venlo to Bruggen would be 40-50 euro each way.
When guys on here say GT lineup has been declining it's because GT had set their lineup bar so high pre-2013 that anything less is declining. It's all relative. Only once have I been to LR where I would say the LR lineup was better than GT for a FIRST TIME visitor.
Wednesday night is a prime night to hit GT, LR, and YY so it is a non-factor. A bigger factor is your arrival time to the club. For a daytime club GT blows away any NRW club for lineup.
PussyLiccker
10-29-16, 04:20
GT will be time consuming via train-taxi or bus. Several connections along the way (that will eat up time), etc. And as BB mentioned that taxi would be so expensive on top of train costs. It will be time consuming or very expensive. Might as well rent a car if that is the case.
Either YY or LR are more reasonable.
YY, you can take the train to Roermond, and the distance to the club is reasonable for a short cab ride.
For LR, you hit Duss, and from there you go to the Ikea stop. No need for cab.
Here is a website that gives you all the info on transportation and routes. https://www.rome2rio.com/.
Or just take the Venlo-Dusseldorf train like I mentionned and get of at Breyell? Don't really see how hard it can be. Train ride was not too bad either.
But ofcourse a car rental is allways more convenient...
PussyLiccker
10-29-16, 05:05
Actually, YY is the quickest option. 2 hrs. The other two, you add an extra HR.
PussyLiccker
10-29-16, 05:36
I'm just guessing but a taxi from Venlo to Bruggen would be 40-50 euro each way.
When guys on here say GT lineup has been declining it's because GT had set their lineup bar so high pre-2013 that anything less is declining. It's all relative. Only once have I been to LR where I would say the LR lineup was better than GT for a FIRST TIME visitor.
Wednesday night is a prime night to hit GT, LR, and YY so it is a non-factor. A bigger factor is your arrival time to the club. For a daytime club GT blows away any NRW club for lineup.LR is recommended by me. I've met some great girls this year compared to the past. The service will generally be a safe bet there for a newbie. Not saying I haven't met some great girls at GT this year either. YY is another club that has my interest up as I've been running into good service providers as well. Looking at purely in number of good service providers ran into out of the 3, it would have to be GT or LR. LR would be a safer bet for services for a newbie. For a Weds visit, I would recommend LR. GT is better toward the weekend, particularly Sun has been generally the better day to visit.
So, I would say LR on Wednesday. Also, with the train ride being longer to get to LR, it's up to DarkSmurf's choice whether he want's to save time and just head to YY. I've provided my info.
Death of a 31 yo guy last night in a sex room, I don't know if he was fat, had heart problems, was in love with the Romanian girl, but he was only 31 and took viagra, too young to die. Sport is better than viagra for stamina, so move your ass.
Emergency cars were there, but didn't change anything.
Hessen Bub
10-30-16, 15:40
Death of a 31 yo guy last night in a sex room, I don't know if he was fat, had heart problems, was in love with the Romanian girl, but he was only 31 and took viagra, too young to die. Sport is better than viagra for stamina, so move your ass.
Emergency cars were there, but didn't change anything.Where did that happen?
HB.
It happens from time to time: a part of life. I wear an emergency contact wristband. This usually entertains the girls when I say it has my wife's telephone number in it. Occasionally they make fantasies about it.
31 and taking Viagra? Wow.
31 and taking Viagra? Wow.Yeah, so probably not doing sports like Siri points out.
Hi guys,
As indicated in subject of this post, which clubs offers free entrance for your birthday (or what kind of gift do they give) in the North West Renania NRW, please?
Thanks in advance for every answer!
Greetings fellow mongers,
My buddy and I were in Frankfurt two weeks ago and we only had one day so we went to Manhattan. It was my second time there and my buddies first and it was a great time. We are coming back at the end of November and we have two days in Frankfurt: Saturday and Sunday. So our question is what FKK clubs should we hit? We're limited to trains and uber and are staying in downtown Frankfurt, but are seeking a little more variety than Manhattan. Don't get me wrong, it was very nice, but not much variety in women, mainly all beautiful eastern European. Not a bad thing, but would like to see some Asian, maybe African american or Latin. Any suggestions?
Thanks brothers.
FormulaOneFan
10-31-16, 04:11
Greetings fellow mongers,
My buddy and I were in Frankfurt two weeks ago and we only had one day so we went to Manhattan. It was my second time there and my buddies first and it was a great time. We are coming back at the end of November and we have two days in Frankfurt: Saturday and Sunday. So our question is what FKK clubs should we hit? We're limited to trains and uber and are staying in downtown Frankfurt, but are seeking a little more variety than Manhattan. Don't get me wrong, it was very nice, but not much variety in women, mainly all beautiful eastern European. Not a bad thing, but would like to see some Asian, maybe African american or Latin. Any suggestions?
Thanks brothers.I would suggest Sharks if you can navigate transit / cabs to get there (there is info in the Sharks thread on getting there via train / cab). You will still have a majority of eastern European girls, but a smattering of asian / black girls; some of the black girls are from latin america (Cuba, dominican republic), but I wouldn't necessarily consider them latinas.
Other option for variety, but less so on service, is Palace. Not my cup of tea since it's a shark infested club, but it does have a bit more variety of origins for the girls.
FormulaOneFan
10-31-16, 04:15
Seeking advice. I'm in the FRA area (just got back from Sharks) and will be hitting a club tomorrow evening. Any clubs I should purposely avoid or should definitely check out due to the potential holiday festivities? It might be fun if they do a themed night, but I'd like to avoid a complete cluster-fuck of way too many guys and not enough girls. I've been to Sharks 3 times since Wednesday (with a quick detour to GoldenTime / LivingRoom Saturday) and wouldn't mind some variety, but I've heard that Oase has gone downhill a bit and for some reason I've never had that great of a time at World.
Open to suggestions and advice.
Thanks!
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