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HB.This Saturday evening at LR.
Hi guys,
As indicated in subject of this post, which clubs offers free entrance for your birthday (or what kind of gift do they give) in the North West Renania NRW, please?
Thanks in advance for every answer!Living Room, free entry.
Anyone had any trouble getting vitamin v into Germany in their luggage?
Anyone had any trouble getting vitamin v into Germany in their luggage?Really unlikely to be a problem. Even if found there will be no problem (unless you are carrying 100's of tablets).
Banana Boi
10-31-16, 18:50
Anyone had any trouble getting vitamin v into Germany in their luggage?No issue but if you're worried carry your prescription with you.
Hessen Bub
10-31-16, 22:15
I would suggest Sharks if you can navigate transit.I recommend Mainhattan.
HB.
Member #4581
10-31-16, 23:35
I recommend Mainhattan.
HB.Think I died and gone to heaven, LOL.
Now, Craiova can come forward and recommend Sharks, PL recommend Hessen clubs broadly, and we can all sing Kumbaya. LOL.
Have I missed something? Everything okay? Is Maria back?
Or in Swabia they have the saying "you get wisdom at the age of 40". Maybe it takes some years more in Hesse.
This Saturday evening at LR.Could happen in any other club.
Living Room, free entry.If you are known, GT is free entry for birthday. Globe is free. Maybe Samya also.
Hello all,
I have had some great experiences in German, Swiss and Austrian fkks. I will be in Amsterdam in end Nov early Dec and may have option to visit FKK on a Wednesday eve until sat eve. I would like your collective wisdom on how to chart this trip with minimal travel (access to public transportation only).
Would it make sense to go to Duisburg / theüsseldorf or Cologne or Frankfurt. ? Would like to minimise travel hence all of them not an option.
Generally I am after good looks with above avg service levels especially DFK. I am East Indian origin so if this has any role to play.
Appreciate advice. Thanks a ton.
Vik.
Hessen Bub
11-01-16, 10:09
Have I missed something? Everything okay? Is Maria back?
Or in Swabia they have the saying "you get wisdom at the age of 40". Maybe it takes some years more in Hesse.Too many tourists ruining sharks. Diverting them to Mainhattan.
HB.
Too many tourists ruining sharks. Diverting them to Mainhattan.
HB.
:D
Cheers.
ExpatLover
11-01-16, 16:49
Hello all,
I have had some great experiences in German, Swiss and Austrian fkks. I will be in Amsterdam in end Nov early Dec and may have option to visit FKK on a Wednesday eve until sat eve. I would like your collective wisdom on how to chart this trip with minimal travel (access to public transportation only).
Would it make sense to go to Duisburg / thesseldorf or Cologne or Frankfurt. ? Would like to minimise travel hence all of them not an option.
Generally I am after good looks with above avg service levels especially DFK. I am East Indian origin so if this has any role to play.
Appreciate advice. Thanks a ton.
Vik.Advice you to go to Frankfurt, the biggest clubs are there, the girls are nude with is mostly not the case in the other regions, the girls are looking after your money as long you pay they don t care about the rest. Average earning for a good girl in a big FKK 10000 to 15000 euros per month imagine how many mongers they will have to satisfy to reach that income not sure they can select.
ExpatLover
11-01-16, 16:57
Last time we discussed a lot about the possible income of the girls and we were not agreeing, I just spent several days in Oase and World and had the possibility to ask some of my favorites about their incomes, my conclusions is that the nice girls, active (not spending the time seating on the sofa) are earning from 7000 euros to 18000 euros per month. Also asked the really stunners why they don t go for escort and they answered because it is impossible to earn 20000 euros like in the FKK.
Too many tourists ruining sharks. Diverting them to Mainhattan.
HB.You do know that counter messages like this creates a double effect, so that now even more tourists will go to Sharks right? So when bullshitting, keep bullshitting. The Hillary way.
I had a great time at Magnum last. Biggest club in Europe according to my Sharks taxi-driver! (he actually did tell me this)
The sport is only for stamina. For a man of 31 years, this has nothing to do. You all take Viagra when you have problems, but if you take when you were young, you will have the continued hard erection all day and it gives in bed an effect never known.
Yeah, so probably not doing sports like Siri points out.
Sport is also to keep up the testosterone production. If you do more sports / fitness / gym, you can do more sessions per day.
The sport is only for stamina. For a man of 31 years, this has nothing to do. You all take Viagra when you have problems, but if you take when you were young, you will have the continued hard erection all day and it gives in bed an effect never known.I saw emergency cars when I arrived at 9 pm, a downstairs part was not allowed to go, I was just said by guys and girls. The girl was asked to leave the club. I was just meaning sports are more efficient for strength and stamina than Viagra or cyalis not given by doctor, to die from heart attack, wish he was not married, to have to say to his wife he died with a prostitute in a brothel.
Yes, you're right. Sport is effective to maintain or increase the level of testosterone of people whose testosterone level begins to decrease, that is to say, people who are no longer young. For a guy of 31 years who died in a particular situation, I rather think of a reason like "Ingestion of artifacts" that can be either Viagra or some prohibited things easily found in FKK.
Sport is also to keep up the testosterone production. If you do more sports / fitness / gym, you can do more sessions per day...
Last time we discussed a lot about the possible income of the girls and we were not agreeing, I just spent several days in Oase and World and had the possibility to ask some of my favorites about their incomes, my conclusions is that the nice girls, active (not spending the time seating on the sofa) are earning from 7000 euros to 18000 euros per month. Also asked the really stunners why they don t go for escort and they answered because it is impossible to earn 20000 euros like in the FKK.Costs can easily be 5000 a month (entry, tax, taxi and other things). And on top of this girls sometimes prioritise sending money to families, hair extensions and new breasts etc. further eating significantly into their profits.
I see some girls who are good earners travelling to and from Romania by the 24 to 30 hour coach journey because they consider the airfare too expensive.
Yes, you're right. Sport is effective to maintain or increase the level of testosterone of people whose testosterone level begins to decrease, that is to say, people who are no longer young. For a guy of 31 years who died in a particular situation, I rather think of a reason like "Ingestion of artifacts" that can be either Viagra or some prohibited things easily found in FKK.If you are really sporty with stamina sports and fit body, then you should not need Viagra. Not the same for muscled taking products, this is not sport. Hard dick and breathe is more from good heart and blood, than testosterone. Testosterone is just for the will, never made work well the body.
Citizen Kane
11-02-16, 18:03
wish he was not married, to have to say to his wife he died with a prostitute in a brothel.Many years back I heard that an old guy had died at Oase and his wife washed and returned the towel he had been wearing.
Yes, you're right. Sport is effective to maintain or increase the level of testosterone of people whose testosterone level begins to decrease, that is to say, people who are no longer young. For a guy of 31 years who died in a particular situation, I rather think of a reason like "Ingestion of artifacts" that can be either Viagra or some prohibited things easily found in FKK.It starts falling when you turn 30 actually.
Many years back I heard that an old guy had died at Oase and his wife washed and returned the towel he had been wearing.How sad. Thanks for the story.
Many years back I heard that an old guy had died at Oase and his wife washed and returned the towel he had been wearing.That's in that way, women are exceptional, they can forgive so much.
From LR, some say guy died, some say he survived in hospital. I wish him to survive with good health.
I'll be in Frankfurt for two days, on Thursday and Friday. From what I've read on this forum, FKK Sharks is the place to be on Friday night. I've already booked a Hotel close to Sharks. But I am not able to make up my mind for Thu night. Should I stick with FKK Sharks or try one of these three Oase, Mainhatten, FKK World on Thu. As far I know, Thu is Lingerine night at Oase. Not sure if that is good thing or a bad thing. Read mixed reviews on Mainhatten. Oase. Read that food is bad and girls are inconsistent, but few of you have had seen great LU recently and great experience. Read about Mainhatten that it is not clean and food is slightly better than Oase, few models are really good. I am into tall model types and plan to stay all day Thu and all day Fri in FKKs. Please advise. I need to book my hotel for Thursday night. Thanks much.
GlobalPunter
11-04-16, 21:21
Folks hows FKK end of January. I'm planning a trip, hopefully the girls will be back from holidays " December Break ".
Read about Mainhatten that it is not clean and food is slightly better than Oase,Different than optic and average service level on cleanness and quality of food fun is over for me. Food at Oase is crap, except breakfast. Mainhattan has the best food of the Hessen big5 clubs much better than Sharks. And cleaness? Mainhattan is on cleanness at least at same level than Oase, Sharks or World. I've never seen at Mainhattan such filthy toilets as I saw during September / October this year at the outside toilets at Sharks.
GlobalPunter
11-05-16, 02:58
Different than optic and average service level on cleanness and quality of food fun is over for me. Food at Oase is crap, except breakfast. Mainhattan has the best food of the Hessen big5 clubs much better than Sharks. And cleaness? Mainhattan is on cleanness at least at same level than Oase, Sharks or World. I've never seen at Mainhattan such filthy toilets as I saw during September / October this year at the outside toilets at Sharks.Agreed the food at Mainhattan is good & definitely better than Oase. As regards to cleanness I've always found it clean.
The girls I will describe as the next door types, but not a better line -up than Sharks.
Hessen Bub
11-05-16, 08:47
Mainhattan is on cleanness at least at same level than Oase, Sharks or World. I've never seen at Mainhattan such filthy toilets as I saw during September / October this year at the outside toilets at Sharks.+1. Mainhattan is a clean club. Same as Oase or Sharks or World. Only Palace I would rate a little better, especially the rooms.
HB.
RabbitFarm
11-05-16, 13:25
Folks hows FKK end of January. I'm planning a trip, hopefully the girls will be back from holidays " December Break ".As long as you come after January 7th (which is Christian Orthodox Christmas) then you should be fine. Lots of girls leave around new year's until Jan 7.
GlobalPunter
11-05-16, 14:17
Folks,
Please what's the update on this issue. I heard during my last visit that OWO will be banned in FKK clubs from January 1st 2017. What's your thoughts?
Folks,
Please what's the update on this issue. I heard during my last visit that OWO will be banned in FKK clubs from January 1st 2017. What's your thoughts?BBBJ ban comes July, 1st 2017.
GlobalPunter
11-06-16, 18:14
BBBJ ban comes July, 1st 2017.Many thanks Craiova for the clarification.
+1. Mainhattan is a clean club. Same as Oase or Sharks or World. Only Palace I would rate a little better, especially the rooms.
HB.World and Sharks become not so clean, for toilets and rooms at World, for beds and rooms at Sharks. At GT and LR, they clean the room between 2 rooms.
ExpatLover
11-07-16, 07:03
World and Sharks become not so clean, for toilets and rooms at World, for beds and rooms at Sharks. At GT and LR, they clean the room between 2 rooms.Fully agree with you visited World and Oase several times over the last weeks and I also noticed the same, last week in Oase the covers of the beds were full of gel or may be even other fluids with is not boosting at all my libido.
UltraHappy
11-09-16, 03:08
I called both FKK Colosseum in Ausburg and FKK Hawaii in Ingolstadt (both just outside of Munich) to inquire with Reception whether I could bring a female guest with me in the club. Both clubs gave me a resolute "no" and clearly stated that no female guests are permitted in their clubs. In Frankfurt, female guests in the clubs are no problem, but it sounds like Bavaria observes different rules on this point.
WTF.
I'm going to be doing some touristy things with my girl in Munich for sure but I wanted to spend some time visiting both FKKs down there as well, but now it's looking like that won't be possible. Sure, we can spend naughty time in the hotel, but that gets boring pretty quick compared to spending time together in an FKK club.
I don't know of any other naughty places down there in Munich to take my girl to. With all the touristy stuff we have planned, I think we'll only have about 3-4 hours per day left over for naughty time.
Thoughts? Ideas? Would it be worth it for me to show up at each club with my girl in tow and politely plead my case in person? Or would that just be a waste of time?
Any other naughty places worth checking out while I'm down in Munich that will allow a female guest?
Hessen Bub
11-09-16, 13:55
Thoughts? Ideas? Would it be worth it for me to show up at each club with my girl in tow and politely plead my case in person? Or would that just be a waste of time?AFAIK regulations for WG are different (stricter, they need a registration with the authorities) in Bavaria. That's probably the reason why they don't want to risk any female in the club without valid papers. So. I wouldn't risk it.
HB.
To our seniors member on this board:
I will rent a car on my next FKK land trip early next year. There are 3-4 clubs I would like to visit (I have only been to Frankfurt 4 big ones), like Livingroom, Ocean, Goldentime Samya ect.
Can some one recommend some decent hotels (clean, not fancy) which can be used as anchor hotels for visiting those clubs? I like to stay at least 2 nights before I move on to a different location.
Thanks a lot.
Dave.
PussyLiccker
11-11-16, 04:30
Here are some tips. Look up all the club locations on the map (G-maps). Now, you should be aware of their locations. Go to Kayak.com, and you will see an option to view all the hotels on a map. Think about what location will make your drive to various clubs back and forth the shortest, and consumes the least amount of fuel. That and of course, another constraint is your hotel budget. There are combination of things to consider when looking for the right hotel. Based on your constraints, choose the most reasonable option.
Since you are driving, parking will be one of the most important factors, and will be another constraint in picking the right hotel.
You're better off booking the same hotel for the period you are there.
To our seniors member on this board:
I will rent a car on my next FKK land trip early next year. There are 3-4 clubs I would like to visit (I have only been to Frankfurt 4 big ones), like Livingroom, Ocean, Goldentime Samya ect.
Can some one recommend some decent hotels (clean, not fancy) which can be used as anchor hotels for visiting those clubs? I like to stay at least 2 nights before I move on to a different location.
What I do in such cases is look for hotels in booking.com, then check the distance from the Club in Google maps. Things to look for in a hotel are not only parking, but also check-in and check-out time. At what time are you going to visit the club? Do you want to ckeck in before visiting the club or are you happy with ckecking in later (in that case beware of hotels with "check in until 20:00"). If club Nr 2 on your list is not too far from club Nr 1 you should choose hotel Nr 1 with a late check-out so that you can stay late in bed instead of having to get going as early as 10:00 with hours to while away before the next club opens.
For Living Room I stayed at Classis Hotel Kaarst but parking was not as advertised. I had to park in one of the side-streets. I wouldn't book that hotel again.
For Acapulco I stayed at Best Western Plus Parkhotel Velbert (very easy parking, room not so good value for money though). Hotel Carpe Diem was better value for money but it was unmanned at late hours.
For Samya and Babylon I recommend Hotel Europarc, Siemens Str. 19,50170 Kerpen (very cheap, no parking problem).
For Sixsens I recommend Bilderberg Kasteel Vaalsbroek (easy parking, very good value for money, very picturesque surroundings).
For Golden Times I remember Akzent Hotel Bruggener Klimp Haupts as OK.
For Finca Erotika I have a fond memory of Hotel Zugbrucke Grenzau (a wellness hotel in a forested area, 18km from the FKK). Driving there during the snowy season might be problematic though.
I don't know of any other naughty places down there in Munich to take my girl to. With all the touristy stuff we have planned, I think we'll only have about 3-4 hours per day left over for naughty time.
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http://www.burg-ibiza.de/en/
Please and XXL.
Thanks a lot Bro. That really help.
Here are some tips. Look up all the club locations on the map (G-maps). Now, you should be aware of their locations. Go to Kayak.com, and you will see an option to view all the hotels on a map. Think about what location will make your drive to various clubs back and forth the shortest, and consumes the least amount of fuel. That and of course, another constraint is your hotel budget. There are combination of things to consider when looking for the right hotel. Based on your constraints, choose the most reasonable option.
Since you are driving, parking will be one of the most important factors, and will be another constraint in picking the right hotel.
You're better off booking the same hotel for the period you are there.Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.One thing to watch out for is that the hotel you chose also has 24 hour reception. I once stayed in a nice two star but they locked up at midnight.
PussyLiccker
11-13-16, 22:50
Yeah, I recall my first visit to GT long ago on PT. I reserved the hotel near the trainstop, but hastily made my way to the club. I was used to hotels around Fra central station at the time thinking there would be a receptionist around 24/7.
When I arrived on cab after the club closed, there were no reception working late hrs!
Luckily for me there were a few guys playing cards let me in.
It was cool of reception to leave my room key on the desk as well. Man, I've run into some close calls over the years. Parking situations, etc. Getting towed. If the hotel is in the city, town, likely they will charge separate parking on the garage or say street parking available, etc. On the more remote locations, parking will likely be available. Read the ammenities. Even what is stated you will not know precisely what to expect. Less densely populated areas are safer bets when parking is mentioned.
So yes, read what hrs the staff is working. Some 24 hrs, others limit availability.
Be&be chain I've been in has credit card check in system from the outside. It would be nice if other places do this.
Also, if you flying in and out if Ratingen, that could be an anchor area as it's nearby the airport.
Also, speed cameras around bridges to cologne and certain spots that have them.
Under overpasses. Whatch out for speed limit to decrease down to 50 around Cologne areas. They will usually have a sign stating radar before the speed camera comes up. You will get a flash of light when you got hit with the camera.
X'mas parties of the Frankfurt big5 FKK clubs 2016:
Mainhattan 26.11.
Oase 03.12.
Palace 03.12.
World 10.12.
Sharks?. ?.
For New Year's party only Oase anounced so far one on 31.12. But very likely Sharks will do one as in last years.
X'mas parties of the Frankfurt big5 FKK clubs 2016:
Mainhattan 26.11.
Oase 03.12.
Palace 03.12.
World 10.12.
Sharks?. ?.
For New Year's party only Oase anounced so far one on 31.12. But very likely Sharks will do one as in last years.Has anyone been to these Christmas parties before? And what did you think of them? I see that Oase claim they only do extraordinary things at these special events. Is that just marketing perhaps? Artemis usually have this wheel you spin when entering with different prices like1, 2 or 3 free drinks, free champaigne, free entry, free 30 min sex etc. Palace had the usual costumes although their octoberfest also had free beer from a large keg and lots of sausages and meats. The palace costumes are at least far better than what I have seen at Artemis. But I have never been to a Christmas party anywhere. Is it worth it? Currently I am undecided if I will go that weekend or the weekend after.
I was never a fan of FKK club parties. Usually it's too crowed, nowadays it isn't anymore so crowded there but still much more guys than usual. In general food is special and better at parties. Most parties include some (for me totally boring) sex shows with (for me old and ugly) so called porno stars. Worst thing at parties is when a free gangbang is included, this has for me nothing to do with good sex it's only embarrassing. And quite often on parties is a raffle.
Only one thing I like at parties when girls wear special, nice and sexy lingerie. So I like on October fest parties bavarian dirnd or at X'mas parties red Santa Claus bunny lingerie at some clubs. But usually I avoid parties. I prefer the day before the party bc usually very good line up and only maximum one third of guys number than on the party day.
I was never a fan of FKK club parties. Usually it's too crowed, nowadays it isn't anymore so crowded there but still much more guys than usual. In general food is special and better at parties. Most parties include some (for me totally boring) sex shows with (for me old and ugly) so called porno stars. Worst thing at parties is when a free gangbang is included, this has for me nothing to do with good sex it's only embarrassing. And quite ofter on parties is a raffle.
Shouldve been a free 30 min session on the house incl at these parties, hehe.
Idk maybe its still ok to get a free show before going to the room, LOL.
Has anyone been to these Christmas parties before? And what did you think of them? I see that Oase claim they only do extraordinary things at these special events. Is that just marketing perhaps? Artemis usually have this wheel you spin when entering with different prices like1, 2 or 3 free drinks, free champaigne, free entry, free 30 min sex etc. Palace had the usual costumes although their octoberfest also had free beer from a large keg and lots of sausages and meats. The palace costumes are at least far better than what I have seen at Artemis. But I have never been to a Christmas party anywhere. Is it worth it? Currently I am undecided if I will go that weekend or the weekend after.Sylvester party are expensive entry, gay party with second choice girls, because good business girls return home. Christmas party 2014 at World was exceptional for me, with a classy lady in red. 4 1 hour rooms with her on this week end.
Oase was not used to have Christmas party, but good way to attract clients, even competition with Mainhattan. Usually good foods, better to know the girls on party days.
Sylvester party are expensive entry, gay party with second choice girls, because good business girls return home.For sylvester party at a FKK club I can only recommend to make appointment with your preferred girl otherwise you'll have serious difficulties to get a girl at this night, you have at this night a terrible ratio girls to guys and the good girls already booked in advance for long time sessions. Some years ago at first Oase Sylvester party I've heard about more than 300 guys sharing around 25 girls. And only second class girls, no for instance one of these 25 girls at Oase first sylvester party was the ISG celebrity Lavinia (ex World Anna) and at least one ISG user wouldn't call her second class.
Member #4581
11-15-16, 22:06
For sylvester party at a FKK club I can only recommend to make appointment with your preferred girl otherwise you'll have serious difficulties to get a girl at this night, you have at this night a terrible ratio girls to guys and the good girls already booked in advance for long time sessions. Some years ago at first Oase Sylvester party I've heard about more than 300 guys sharing around 25 girls. And only second class girls, no for instance one of these 25 girls at Oase first sylvester party was the ISG celebrity Lavinia (ex World Anna) and at least one ISG user wouldn't call her second class.Interesting that market dynamics don't seem to work very efficiently at these clubs. If the ratio is so lopsided for that party night, eventually more girls and more first class girls should show up on that night because the demand is so good, and by the same token, men should drop out because supply is so limited. For whatever reason, apparently that is not (yet) the case.
Sylvester party are expensive entry, gay party with second choice girls, because good business girls return home. Oh yes, I wouldn't think about the Sylvester parties. But these parties here are on the 26th Nov. And 3rd /10th of Dec.
Oh yes, I wouldn't think about the Sylvester parties. But these parties here are on the 26th Nov. And 3rd /10th of Dec.I enjoyed very much Christmas 2014 World party, less Christmas 2015 , because World casting was not on same level on end of 2015, but still good foods and no problem about upselling at World. Entry 59.
No Christmas party at Oase on 2014 and 2015 , but I remember for Sylvester 2014 , a girl I didn't know said to me: today, 100 for 30 mn, so I only fucked the lips toilets.
I think should not be happy hour for party at Oase, so should be 70 . Same at Mainhattan 60 and World 59 . Usually party are not the best days if You don t know a girl, because girls try to make as much business as they can, compare to slow business days.
Fair enough, but are the costumes any good? I have been at Artemis twice for their easter (bunny) parties. And the costumes were rather cheap with those ears and bunny tails. Not much silk or high quality corsettes and leggings / nylon at Artemis. Palace had much higher quality outfits for their octoberfests. So where does Oase and World compare?
Personally I never had any problems reaching for the girls I was looking for... so that has not been an issue for me. Not more than at random saturdays if some lame guy book my girl for the whole night, lol
World Christmas 2014 party was ladies in red and my regular was top class beauty with red dessous and her expensive bad red shoes, we laughed a lot about this. I think it was the real beginning for our 2 or 3 weekly rooms for more than 4 months, until 2 May 2015 , even we had many rooms before, but only once per night.
Nothing special for costumes on 2015 . No Christmas party at Oase or Sharks.
World made Christmas party, Oase and Sharks made Sylvester gay party.
I know GT and Lr are sister club. I am thinking to visit in my next trip. However due to my schedule, I may only have one day over there for those two clubs.
I am thinking driving to GT in early afternoon and then visit LR after 7-8 pm after I check in some hotel near it. I can also do it the other way around. All I want to do is to go to the club with best LU time in each club. Any advise?
Thank in advance,
Dave
ExpatLover
11-17-16, 00:14
Interesting that market dynamics don't seem to work very efficiently at these clubs. If the ratio is so lopsided for that party night, eventually more girls and more first class girls should show up on that night because the demand is so good, and by the same token, men should drop out because supply is so limited. For whatever reason, apparently that is not (yet) the case.Most of the girls in the clubs are from Romania, they have to be with their families for Christmas and New year this is part of their culture. For their families they are working in bars or restaurants in Germany.
Trans Atlantic
11-17-16, 01:05
RTFF I have found two things, that we need to keep a watch of the time all time, while in the room This is overblown. I've found that most girls are actually honest. The key is the "interview" you have with them before going to the zimmer.
Sounds like she's having a bad day with many maybe laters. Probably had enough of it and exploded. They're only human.
Typically, I will be interested in fraction of the girls in the club depending on the scale, and if the club has approachers, most often they'd be outside the that small fraction. I prefer non-approach. Saves me and them the hassle.
If I'm not interested, I just say I'm waiting on somebody.
Senario I dislike is when I approach a girl and don't find her attractive up close (light is dim, etc.). I hate those scenarios. LOL. I think of some lame excuses.I also just them them I'm waiting for somebody.
Pistons, Banans Boi and Optimist.
Guys, Thank you so much for your quick response. That is why I love this board. Everyone is ready to share and help. It make our mongers life so much easier. One more question if I may ask:
I normally rent car from Hertz or Avis in US and Canada. If I use their GPS, are they only in German. I am thinking to buy myself a Tomtom GPS this Christmas. Any good recommendation for brand and models?
Thanks again.All the built-in GPS in rental cars can be switched to English. Need to look for a menu with the word sprache.
The problem for us -fly in guys is that we normally only have limited data plan on our German sim card, so GPS is only thing we got.If you have an unlocked phone, you can get a local SIM for 10 which comes with 1 GB or more. More than enough for GPS.
As for hotel around DUS, depends on your budget. €50 gets you into a B&B hotel (that is the name of a budget chain hotel). €60 gets you into Motel One which is a little bit nicer. Innside is also a good option as well. Definitely check the messe Dusseldorf schedule and avoid conventions. Hotels rates will triple during those times.
I know GT and Lr are sister club. I am thinking to visit in my next trip. However due to my schedule, I may only have one day over there for those two clubs.
I am thinking driving to GT in early afternoon and then visit LR after 7-8 pm after I check in some hotel near it. I can also do it the other way around. All I want to do is to go to the club with best LU time in each club. Any advise?
Thank in advance,
DaveBreakfast at GT or LR until 2 pm. GT close at 1 or 2 am, LR close at 4 am. 2 very pretty brunettes only work until 7/8 pm at LR. If you visit both on same day, ask ticket when you leave first one for discount ticket 25 € for second one, so 95 for both. Pizzas at midnight at LR. Hotel / casino ISA 50 €, 100 meters close to LR.
Excellent casting and services for me at LR, some high level girls at GT.
I know GT and Lr are sister club. I am thinking to visit in my next trip. However due to my schedule, I may only have one day over there for those two clubs.
I am thinking driving to GT in early afternoon and then visit LR after 7-8 pm after I check in some hotel near it. I can also do it the other way around. All I want to do is to go to the club with best LU time in each club. Any advise?
Yep start with GT bc this is more a daytime club. Than check out at early evening and don't forget at GT to ask for the 25 euro voucher for same day entry at LR. Than go to LR and this is more a night club.
Hermann666
11-17-16, 11:26
This is overblown. I've found that most girls are actually honest. The key is the "interview" you have with them before going to the zimmer.
I also just them them I'm waiting for somebody.
All the built-in GPS in rental cars can be switched to English. Need to look for a menu with the word sprache.
If you have an unlocked phone, you can get a local SIM for 10 which comes with 1 GB or more. More than enough for GPS.
.Or use your smartphone as the GPS. You can download off-line maps for any area and use in Google Maps. There are very handy magnetic phone holders for the air vents in the car that you can easily bring along on your trip.
Recent Frankfurt tour.
(Reposting it in this forum for the benefit of all, as someone suggested in Frankfurt Forum, where I had posted the FR originally, that it gets lesser attention and I should post it on FKK forum too.).
Had a recent Frankfurt trip, Before I forget, I thought of penning down the things before it gets faded from the brain.
It was a 5 night,6 day trip to Frankfurt. Did lot of research online ans RTFF this forum. Thanks to the forum and senior colleagues for lot of helpful information.
1st Night: Reached FRA Airport at 7 pm, went to the train station Airport and got the ticket from the ticketing machine to FRA main bahnofsviertel and got the train to FRA hbf. Checked in the nearby hotel, whicj I had booked online (Easy Hotel). It was a nice hotel with all good basic facilities, neat and clean. Had a shower changed and the plan tonight was OASE. Again catched the train to Friedrichsdorf Bahnof, from there got a cab to OASE. The taxi drivers are super friendly when destination is OASE, as I think they get some commission for bringing customers here, as I saw him queuing up in the club. Anyway the entrance was impressive, after paying 7 E entry got the towel, bathrobe, went to locker room, had shower and went inside. My first FKK experience. Was amazed at the things, the beautiful naked women all around. Had few drinks, some snacks from the restaurant, and lied in the lounge. Had two nice sessions there one with an Italian lady (do not remember name was ok in the room, wanted to complete in the room quickly and leave) and one with a Romanian lady (was better). Food was good, Rooms were good (mirrored). Left at 4:30 am. Taxi from Oase to Friedrichsdorf Bahnof. And catched the train to FRA main Bahnof. (Starts at 5 am) (Note travelling by train the RMV app was immensely helpful in planning, and ticket information).
2nd Day / Night: Woke up at 12 Noon and went off exploring at 1 pm had an Indian lunch at a nearby Indian Restaurant-Indigo, then had a round of the famous RLD, to feel the experience. Went up and down all the floors of those 4-5 buildings, was quite excited, but did not venture in as I was planned for Sharks today. So got the train from FRA (main) Hbf to Darmstadt Nord, and after getting down (at 5 pm) , switched on the google maps and went for a small walk, within 10-15 minutes walk Sharks was there. Entered, same formalities here. Ambience was good. There was warm water Jacuzzi on the 1st floor after climbing few steps. Had again 2 good sessions there (One from Italy and one from Spain). All 50 E,as I don't know what do do for 1 hour and they give you only 1 shot as a rule so 50 E seems Value for money. Although few girls try to upsell to 100 E for the same or little betters ervice but as a rule BJ and FS all positions are included in 30 minutes. 50 E sessions. Left the place at 9:30 pm, walked down again to the train station and a train back to FRA hbf.
After coming back went to RLD, visited few places and selected a sweet Polish Girl named "Natalia"in Haus 43 1st floor. Had a nice good session for 20 minutes. In 25 E (gave her 5 E tip for her real sweet nature and good service) Totally value for money-I think there are gems and the RLD is underrated, while FKKs overrated. Visited the surroundings-Dr Mueller shop. Also visited the Table dance venue-Pure Platinum: It was a unique experience in itself. Some some 10 E entry (exactly don't remember the figure), inside had two drinks 40 E, gone for a private lap dance 35 E,in a private room. Girls were cooperative. Good sexy beautiful Romanian girls, get completely naked in the room and one can touch them while they do the erotic lap dance. Had to have the experience, one won't get in either RLD hauses or the FKKs.
3rd Evening: Went in the day timefor a Hop off hop in Bus tour Frankfurt city to have some pics to show back home What I did in Frankfurt travelling more than 6 k kms away! Evening dedicated to World-FKK. Got a train from FRA main to Giessen and a connecting train to Garbenteich. From there again Google map and a short walk. Ambience was good. Food was good, Girls were ok. The spider web concept in the interiors. Had 2 good sessions again one with a Romanian girl "Gabriela" and the other Romanian too don't remember the name. Nothing so special- the standard suck and fuck for 50 E /30 minutes till you last, which ever is earlier. Had a massage to in the basement massage area 30 E /30 minutes. Left the place walk-train (Garbenteich to Giessen) Train Giessen to FRA Main Hbf.
4th Day / Night: Woke up at 12 noon, after getting ready, got the train to Dietzenbach for the Aldi FKK. Wanted to experience that too. Again a direct train from FRA main to Dietzenbach. Google maps and a small walk. Liked the place and its is affordable. Large lounge with multiple TVs playing porn, dim lit, basic snacks and soft drinks. Entry only 40 E, and sessions 30 min /30 E. Had a nice session with a Bulgarian 20 why cutie. Girls were less in numbers may be around 10-12. Left early as went there to have an experience. Options of girls are less, food is basic. But I could see public action only at this place and not in any of the FKKs. They start BJ there itself on the sofa and I saw two full Fuck sessions there in the public. It was a nice and different experience. For me too the girl started BJ there only then we moved to the room. Walked back to Bahnof and train to FRA.
Night: Palace FKK: Train from FRA main (change at Bor. Warte) -Ubahn-to industriehof --Nice place good food, Girls and customers both were less although. Few upscaling girls. One said to me "I am not a 50 E girl"Name: Salma. Another one tried to upsell me saying lip to lip kiss will also cost me 50 E extra. I dumped all these and went with 2 Romanian beautiesLori and Anya, 2 std. Sessions. Both were performing good.
5th Day / Night: Day time: Went to Paushalclub Treff 188 at Eschborn. Train to Eschborn Sud from Fra Main, then a small walk. Took the 5 hours ticket 95 E entry. It was a small place not airconditioned. 2 heaters were there. Place was quite cold. Food was average. Girls were below average. About 6 girls were there, 2 young, 3 middle aged and 2-3 old ones. Customers were around 15. Anyway had to take a dip. Took 2 of the young ones one by one (1 Romanian and 1 from Dominicana), standard service-suck and fuck. Those looking for quantity over quality should go for this venue. If you can fuck 6 girls with a single entry without considering the quality it is the place for you, otherwise not recommended.
Night: Mainhatten FKK-took the tram 11 from Fra main till Daimlerstrasse. A short walk. Place: Ambience is good. Good Number of girls. Quality of girls good. Small place when compared to Oase. Food quality is good. 65 Eentry + 5 E (bathrobe). Had 2 good sessios one with a Girl name Brianca from Spain, and another called Dorris from Romania. Both, service level was good, 50 E /30 minutes.
6th Day: Last day, again ventured to Palace the nearest so that I can catch my flight in the evening. Checked out of my hotel put the luggage in the hotel locker room and went to Palace. Again the experience was good 2 good sessions Romanians (Karina and Alisha). Dodn't find any stunner although. Entered by 11 am and left at 5 pm. Had to catch by flight back.
Like all good things comes to an end the last day I had to leave. Lessons learnt: 1) Since I cannot ejaculate more than once a day, I learned the new technique of having sex without ejaculating, multiple times and ejaculate on the last session of the day. This way I could manage completing my count of 15 girls in 6 days. Erection is never a problem since I am on Tadalafil from day 2. Overall a very nice experience. Will try to come again in future, don't know when. 2) Travelling on Trains and walk / small taxi ride covers nearly all the venues and saves a lot and also the trains are very good and save time too. Just download the RMV app and you can get all realtime information.
Really long FR but had to summarize a lot in one post. Thank you.
Cheers.
Citizen Kane
11-21-16, 17:58
One said to me "I am not a 50 E girl"I hope you responded with, "Well unfortunately, I'm a 50 euro guy. Ciao!"
I took the risk at Flamingo Island last year, never again. The club had had several girls come over from another minor FKK (FKK Montecarlo). In spite of that the girls / guys ratio was pitiful. It felt more like going out anywhere in town than being at an FKK. The feeling of being in a buyer's market was gone. I left early and spent New Year's Eve alone in my hotel room.
Recent Frankfurt tour.
(Reposting it in this forum for the benefit of all, as someone suggested in Frankfurt Forum, where I had posted the FR originally, that it gets lesser attention and I should post it on FKK forum too.).
Had a recent Frankfurt trip, Before I forget, I thought of penning down the things before it gets faded from the brain.
It was a 5 night,6 day trip to Frankfurt. Did lot of research online ans RTFF this forum. Thanks to the forum and senior colleagues for lot of helpful information.
Really long FR but had to summarize a lot in one post. Thank you.
Cheers.Nice report. Thanks for sharing your experience. Do you really think Mainhatten or Aldi is comparable to Sharks or Oase?
Nice report. Thanks for sharing your experience. Do you really think Mainhatten or Aldi is comparable to Sharks or Oase?Mainhattan yes, Aldi definitely not.
Hi all,
I will be in Freiburg area for a few months. I cannot travel too far, so I would prefer to stay around Karlsruhe / offenburg / Baden-Baden / Villingen-Schwenningen.
I think I am also a bit picky about girls, so I would like to visit a larger club with 30 or more young girls to choose from.
It is hard to tell from their websites the size of the FKK clubs. Would you guys recommend me which clubs may have more girls?
Thanks so much!
P.S. I am 28 years old, new to FKK clubs.
Mainhattan yes, Aldi definitely not.Saw this hot girl at Aldi a few months back. As I was a bit nervous, I just asked her where the baking soda, the icing sugar and the essential oils were to be found.
Summary: There were no fondling, asl questions nor upsells involved. Stictly business. Prices were cheap. I got what I asked for.
Saw this hot girl at Aldi a few months back. As I was a bit nervous, I just asked her where the baking soda, the icing sugar and the essential oils were to be found.
Summary: There were no fondling, asl questions nor upsells involved. Prices were cheap. I got what I asked for.There aren't any "hot girls" at Aldi. Best exception maybe a 8's, few 7's and most 6's or lower. Total number of girls around 15. Club is old and clean looks different to me. Food? Would even prefer McD or BK than Aldi. Average service level of the Aldi girls higher than at other Hessen clubs and ofc cheaper every session only 30 euro and CIM and AO uncovered sex with CIP already in this 30 euro included. Sure "hot girls" like all this for 30 euro. LOL.
The attraction of this club is only the cheapness and the BBFS but in no case the beauty of the girls.
Food? Would even prefer McD or BK than Aldi.
The attraction of this club is only the cheapness and the BBFS but in no case the beauty of the girls.Damnit, I knew I should have gone Lidl. 😕.
Damnit, I knew I should have gone Lidl. 😕.Nope better meat you get at tegut.
Mainhattan yes, Aldi definitely not.I don't agree with you. Mainhatten isn't in the same class with Oase or Sharks. Tier 2 club.
I don't agree with you. Mainhatten isn't in the same class with Oase or Sharks. Tier 2 club.I have complete different opinion. Sharks is a loud, smoky, uninviting, over crowded fuck factory and totally over hyped. And at Oase music is terrible, food now better there. Mainhattan has the best relaxed atmosphere. Average optic and service level more or less same at these three clubs.
Sharks is only leading on quantity of girls but the for me very important ratio guys to girls is at Sharks the worst.
And this opinion is based on around 300 attendance at Oase and same quantity at Mainhattan and around 150 attendance at Sharks.
UShobbyist
11-22-16, 21:56
Hi all,
I think I am also a bit picky about girls, so I would like to visit a larger club with 30 or more young girls to choose from.
P.S. I am 28 years old, new to FKK clubs.All the Hessen big five meet your requirement.
UShobbyist
11-22-16, 22:03
I don't agree with you. Mainhatten isn't in the same class with Oase or Sharks. Tier 2 club.IMHO, if you are a 50/30 guy, all the mainstream FKK clubs are the same. If you are not, it will depend on whether or not you are a regular of that club.
Hessen Bub
11-23-16, 02:05
IMHO, if you are a 50/30 guy, all the mainstream FKK clubs are the same. If you are not, it will depend on whether or not you are a regular of that club.If you are a 500€/3 h guy all the clubs are the same.
HB.
All the Hessen big five meet your requirement.Any information about Karlsruhe area?
Like FKK pirate, point, flamingo island.
How do they compare with each other, how many girls are there on a weekend.
Hi all,
I will be in Freiburg area for a few months. I cannot travel too far, so I would prefer to stay around Karlsruhe / offenburg / Baden-Baden / Villingen-Schwenningen.
I think I am also a bit picky about girls, so I would like to visit a larger club with 30 or more young girls to choose from.
It is hard to tell from their websites the size of the FKK clubs. Would you guys recommend me which clubs may have more girls?
Thanks so much!
P.S. I am 28 years old, new to FKK clubs.History in Liestal / Basel. Ch, 80 kms from Freiburg, when Karsruhe is 120 avec Darmstadt 220.
UShobbyist
11-23-16, 21:23
Any information about Karlsruhe area?
Like FKK pirate, point, flamingo island.
How do they compare with each other, how many girls are there on a weekend.The FKK clubs which you mentioned above are not as good as Hessen big five. NOT EVEN CLOSE!
Any information about Karlsruhe area?
Like FKK pirate, point, flamingo island.
How do they compare with each other, how many girls are there on a weekend.I used to be a big fan of Flamingo but my two last visits were disappointing.
If you want to diversify your FKK track record I recommend giving Paradise Saarbruecken a try. I have not been disappointed a single time by it. I must've been there 15 times over the past two and a half years. When I'm headed for it I'm as confident of a good time as when I'm head for Oase even though both FKKs have different pros and cons.
History in Liestal / Basel. Ch, 80 kms from Freiburg, when Karsruhe is 120 avec Darmstadt 220.But Basel is not exactly famous for FKK, or am I right?
I used to be a big fan of Flamingo but my two last visits were disappointing.
If you want to diversify your FKK track record I recommend giving Paradise Saarbruecken a try. I have not been disappointed a single time by it. I must've been there 15 times over the past two and a half years. When I'm headed for it I'm as confident of a good time as when I'm head for Oase even though both FKKs have different pros and cons.Thanks!
Paradise does have quite some positive reviews. I hope I can go there in the future.
Now I am limited to Karlsruhe Freiburg area.
Do you think pirate park will be as disappointing as flamingo island? Or even worse?
It is a 53 min drive from Karlsruhe to FKK Paradise Leinfelden near Stuttgart airport.
55 min to FKK Sakura
1h 17min to fkk Sharks
(1h 53 min to fkk paradise saarbrucken, so I don't see the relevance there)
Hessen Bub
11-24-16, 06:05
Thanks!
Paradise does have quite some positive reviews. I hope I can go there in the future.
Now I am limited to Karlsruhe Freiburg area.
Do you think pirate park will be as disappointing as flamingo island? Or even worse?Freiburg doesn't get great reports. Same for Paradise Stuttgart. Forget Safari in Pforzheim. Sakura can be ok, not exactly in Karlsruhe. Flamingo Island can be hit and miss, didn't hear anything great from there. I'd give Pirates Park or Point in Bruchsal a go. Not too far, two small clubs next to each other. If you don't like one of them, change to the next one.
HB.
But Basel is not exactly famous for FKK, or am I right?FKK history should be the best FKK, I think same group than famous Globe Zurich, close to Freiburg, 80 kms, 45 mn driving, crossing to south Basel.
I don t advice You Paradise Stuttgart upselling land, I never had a room at Sakura after 4 visits in 2014 , but good diner and good design for the place.
Sharks fuck factory is nearly 250 kms from Freiburg, works in Karlsruhe and Bruchsal are nightmares.
Point and Pirates are small clubs, 10/20 girls, close to Bruchsal, about 120 kms from Freiburg.
Also First close to Hockenheim ring, 30 girls, Atlanta Hanau brother, but with foods.
Hermann666
11-25-16, 23:14
But Basel is not exactly famous for FKK, or am I right?History in a Liestal was good when I visited a couple of times. Looks on par with Artemis and service NRW style.
First: I found Aldi (Dietzenbach) Value for money and second: I could see public action only in this place. They start blowing you there itself and can finish there itself in public view if you don't want to go to room. Although it is a very small place, Food is almost nonexistent, and very few options as far as girls are concerned. Also those into AO, I think is possible here (although never advisable and I never do that).
However Mainhatten was comparable to Oase and Sharks as far as the quality of ambiance, quality and No. Of girls. Although I like Oase more than Sharks. Mainhatten is bit smaller. Oase and Sharks are bigger place.
Although I admit I am no expert as I visited them only once. It is just the first impression.
Nice report. Thanks for sharing your experience. Do you really think Mainhatten or Aldi is comparable to Sharks or Oase?
Mainhatten is bit smaller. Oase and Sharks are bigger place.
.Even more so if, like I've done, you visit Manhattan on a Sunday afternoon. Then Manhattan really looks like avery small place (no more than 10 girls).
and Sharks are bigger place.But Sharks thinks they aren't big enough therefore Sharks will extend their space with more rooms and more girls in future after they took over space from the car dealer SEAT.
But Sharks thinks they aren't big enough therefore Sharks will extend their space with more rooms and more girls in future after they took over space from the car dealer SEAT...Becoming a real fuck factory like Paradise La Junquera. Girls entry are a good business.
Becoming a real fuck factory like Paradise La Junquera.I've never been there. How is this club? How many girls? Service levels? Prices? Atmosphere?
I've never been there. How is this club? How many girls? Service levels? Prices? Atmosphere?Entry 15 with 1 soft drink, no free foods and drink. Can have 200 girls, 60/30 mn, don't worth compare to Danny level, but Sharks seem to fall down to Spain border, for French Arabs, level, same behavior than Turkish.
Neurosynth
11-27-16, 07:38
First: I found Aldi (Dietzenbach) Value for money and second: I could see public action only in this place. ... Also those into AO, I think is possible here (although never advisable and I never do that).
"Also" you "think" AO is available? AO for most fans is the main reason to go to Dietzenbach!
Member #4585
11-27-16, 08:41
I've never been there. How is this club? How many girls? Service levels? Prices? Atmosphere?I think this is the one being referenced. There is sections in languages in French, Spanish and English.
http://clubparadisejonquera.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Paradise-club-La-Jonquera-/183185888386700
There is a video of the club in the website. It implies there is a dining area with foods like Spanish hams, doner kebab, and definitely a night club feel to this erotic club with pole dancing.
Gentlemen,
I will be in Cologne between 30 November to 04 December. I am planning to go Samya on Wednesday.
Do you know a convenient hotel in the city? The last one I stayed was horrable. Couldn't sleep at all.
Also anyone in the city at that time send me a message so we can grab a beer.
Cheers.
Member #4585
11-27-16, 20:44
I will be in Cologne between 30 November to 04 December. I am planning to go Samya on Wednesday.
Do you know a convenient hotel in the city? The last one I stayed was horrable. Couldn't sleep at all.Mariott chain do a nice hotel and it is convenient for the city.
https://www.marriott.co.uk/hotels/travel/cgnmc-cologne-marriott-hotel/
Excelsior is also centrally located as well for the city and convenient.
https://www.excelsiorhotelernst.com/en/5-star-luxury-hotel-in-cologne.html#at-a-glance.
Have fun.
Mariott chain do a nice hotel and it is convenient for the city.
https://www.marriott.co.uk/hotels/travel/cgnmc-cologne-marriott-hotel/
Excelsior is also centrally located as well for the city and convenient.
https://www.excelsiorhotelernst.com/en/5-star-luxury-hotel-in-cologne.html#at-a-glance.
Have fun.Bitumen thanks but looks quite high to me. I am looking for a hotel 50-100 € per night.
I checked from booking and there is %85 reservation. What is it with the city? Why so popular at these dates?
I checked from booking and there is %85 reservation. What is it with the city? Why so popular at these dates?It could be the Christmas markets, from November 21st to December 23rd. Cologne's "Weinachtsmarkt" is popular beyond Germany's borders. Here: http://www.cologne.de/events/christmas-markets
I personally remember not finding any suitable hotel close to Samya at any time of the year. I've opted for staying in Kerpen (Hotel Europarc), over 30 km from Samya, actually closer to Babylon. When downtown hotels have high prices having your own car is a real advantage.
Member #4585
11-27-16, 21:24
Bitumen thanks but looks quite high to me. I am looking for a hotel 50-100 per night.Sorry, I thought convenient and in the city was what you were after.
There is always the backpackers.
It could be the Christmas markets, from November 21st to December 23rd. Cologne's "Weinachtsmarkt" is popular beyond Germany's borders. Here: http://www.cologne.de/events/christmas-markets
I personally remember not finding any suitable hotel close to Samya at any time of the year. I've opted for staying in Kerpen (Hotel Europarc), over 30 km from Samya, actually closer to Babylon. When downtown hotels have high prices having your own car is a real advantage.I have booked holiday inn mulheim.
90 euro average per night.
This travels are always has a high cost but anyway.
I see all of the discussion about one hour sessions vs half hour sessions. Maybe it is my age, or perhaps my brain injury, but for the life of me, I wouldn't know what to do for an hour. Once I get hard, I have to stay focused on the goal, or I will lose it. And I can only focus for so long or I become tired and bored.
So do you one hour guys just have more energy, and pound them for an hour? Or are there other activities you do to use the time.
I am trying to remember what it was like when I could do five in a few hours, but that ended about at about 45. Now a days, five in a week is about my limit.
My age is 61, but I did have a TBI and two brain surgeries a couple of years ago. I noticed after that, that I could only finish once per visit, whereas before I could do two or three. So maybe the brain injury also hurts staying power.
Katinka. You can do everythong in a room you do in normal life, play chess, discuss politics, play silly, chat, argue, sleep, and so on. The question is simply what is worth 50 euros per half hour to you.
I see all of the discussion about one hour sessions vs half hour sessions. Maybe it is my age, or perhaps my brain injury, but for the life of me, I wouldn't know what to do for an hour. Once I get hard, I have to stay focused on the goal, or I will lose it. And I can only focus for so long or I become tired and bored.
So do you one hour guys just have more energy, and pound them for an hour? Or are there other activities you do to use the time.
I am trying to remember what it was like when I could do five in a few hours, but that ended about at about 45. Now a days, five in a week is about my limit.
My age is 61, but I did have a TBI and two brain surgeries a couple of years ago. I noticed after that, that I could only finish once per visit, whereas before I could do two or three. So maybe the brain injury also hurts staying power.Is sex just about pounding a hole until you come? If that is the goal, save your money and use a blow up doll. Hard to believe someone who does not know what to do with 1 HR in a room with a girl at 61.
Stay 30, pay for an hour and you will get no complaints from the girl.
I see all of the discussion about one hour sessions vs half hour sessions. Maybe it is my age, or perhaps my brain injury, but for the life of me, I wouldn't know what to do for an hour. Once I get hard, I have to stay focused on the goal, or I will lose it. And I can only focus for so long or I become tired and bored.
So do you one hour guys just have more energy, and pound them for an hour? Or are there other activities you do to use the time.
I am trying to remember what it was like when I could do five in a few hours, but that ended about at about 45. Now a days, five in a week is about my limit.
My age is 61, but I did have a TBI and two brain surgeries a couple of years ago. I noticed after that, that I could only finish once per visit, whereas before I could do two or three. So maybe the brain injury also hurts staying power.My GF prefers 30 min sex. She is very sensitive and can get it off very quickly and multiple times. She can cum from DATY in 2 or 3 minutes, where most girls take much longer. After 30 minutes my GF has had enough, with several orgasms, where I struggle to really get done in that time, assuming DATY, BBBJ, Mish, On the side, Doggy, etc. We usually go about 40 minutes which is a compromise between her wanting 25 to 30 minutes and me wanting an hour.
I am near enough to your age but I have always been this way. My sex stamina has improved after losing 12 kilos. In the modern day there is Viagra to help guys keep it up for much longer duration. So cumming becomes not so urgent. Viagra is far less needed for a quick fuck and guys that have not had a fuck for a few days. I never use with the GF, and not likely to with super girls, but am likely to for a girl I don't know, when I don't know how easy she will make it, or after just too many fucks. It is very powerful stuff (don't overdose LOL).
Bear in mind that a cum lasts just a few seconds if that. Did you enjoy the rest of the 30 minutes? If so there is no reason why could not enjoy somewhat longer. Cumming is not so urgent or even mandatory.
I have been known on a rare occasion to waste 20+ minutes on giving the girl DATY, as it was fun for both of us. The Tongue is never tired, nor sucking ability, only the jaw, and sometimes the air supply is a bit limited. If I was not taking an hour, then that would not be at all practical. Some girls take a long time to build up to a peak. Others are much quicker.
Other guys argue that they are paying the money, and no need to waste time doing DATY, however I like to since it maybe one of the few things I am good at, sexually.
Hell even just kissing could use up 10 minutes for me. I do take a short rest of 5 minutes before recommencing fucking sometimes. This is beneficial to improve sensitivity. If I am all done in, in 50 minutes, we can chit chat for 10 minutes on occasions, but I am using the vast majority of a session for sex play of some type.
Yacking with girls is overrated unless the girl is a really funny amusing type. Best to listen to her. I know some guys are paying girls to listen to the guy yack for a long time, possibly without understanding more than 50% of the guy's ramble. I remember seeing Czech Elizabeth (Oase) listen to some guy yack non stop for a very long time and she was very polite about it. I felt sure she did not understand very well though. Her English is good but not that good and he had a strong accent too.
I don't really understand why some guys are trying to get large chunks of a girl's time in the lounge, when she should be working more. You can tell I am an anti-social type and like talking to only a few select persons, whether girls or guys. I need compatible personalities to make it work. The ideal girl for sex does not have to be a conversation expert for me. Her mouth should be otherwise busy, and most prefer to close eyes and not talk during DATY as well.
Once myself and a girl, have had wonderful sex and will no doubt repeat often in the future, we have more feeling to make some chit chat, but I don't ask her personal questions. Usually just joke around.
For girls that are really giving me an absolutely fabulous time in the room, it becomes harder to part with them, and going over 60 minutes is not uncommon for me, especially if the girl could disappear with another customer in a big hurry and hardly be sighted again. I have taken girls for 2 hours a few times. I am not a 6 hour booking type guy. I would rather book the same girl twice with a 2 hour rest gap in between.
Each to their own way, when it comes to time desiring to play with a girl on the bed. One of my main girls that meets me privately, has told me she likes to fuck nearly every day, and on occasions we should make sex for nearly the whole day. My god! Where will I get the stamina from? LOL.
She has also suggested a threesome where I can bring another girl along, preferably with good tits. First girl does not want to lick pussy, receive okay, so I don't really understand what is the interest. LOL. These ideas are not an attempt to make money. She genuinely wants these things. Unusual case for sure.
Lingerie night at FKK Palace and FKK Manhatten are Wednesday night, any one know the Lingerie night at FKK Oases?
Thank you.
Lingerie night at FKK Palace and FKK Manhatten are Wednesday night, any one know the Lingerie night at FKK Oases?
Thank you.Thursday (all day and all of the night).
How is the LU in late February? Planning to come for 10 day from February 18th to February 28th. Are the girls back from their New Years break by then?
Thanks for the update!
How is the LU in late February? Planning to come for 10 day from February 18th to February 28th. Are the girls back from their New Years break by then?
Thanks for the update!Most of girls will be back before end of January to make again money they spent. Not sure for Luana at LR.
Most of girls will be back before end of January to make again money they spent. Not sure for Luana at LR.Thanks for the info. I think she told me she'll be back in April? Not sure, but if most girls are back then I should be occupied LOL!
Last time when i was in GT brugge I was with a blonde from Estonia and I don't recall her name. She is tall and looks naturally blonde. She told me had a beauty salon in london before and a daughter. As a side note I figured out many girls working in clubs are single moms. But anyway. Since it was my secınd day and 8th sex in 48 hours I was a bit in talking mode instead of having sex. At the beginning she made BBBJ and put a condom on my dick and then put a piece of lubricant cream on my dick. When a girl do it I am really a little bit uppset but usually since am in a horny mode I give up and go on but this time I asked her why you use this you are not get wet with me? She said I should do something to make her wet. And how can I expect that she get wet normally? It takes a few daya to turn into a normal mode when she returne home and then she can get wet.
Same thing is about closing eyes is it always means that your partner doesn't find you attractive or not enjoying having sex with you? Or I am too sensitive? I mean for both not getting wet and closing eyes?
Member #4581
12-13-16, 00:12
Frankly,
It's irrational to expect girls to get wet from being horny when she is fucking the tenth customer for the day and 50th for the week. I think that's arrogant to even think that way. To her it's a job. Do you get horny when you have a meeting with a customer, or talk to your boss?
I think almost all the girls use some sort of cream, and if they don't, good for them, but my self esteem doesn't depend on if the girl uses cream or closes the eyes. Most also close eyes to focus. Looking distracts them.
I go to the club and fuck the girls for MY pleasure. I assume the only pleasure that the girls get is the euros I give them.
Thanks for the info. I think she told me she'll be back in April? Not sure, but if most girls are back then I should be occupied LOL!I confirm for Luana information, but if not busy enough at LR, things can change for this beauty.
Enjoy sweet Alexandra. Hu. At LR, You have top performer, really friendly Jeni. Ro.
Banana Boi
12-13-16, 05:26
Last time when i was in GT brugge I was with a blonde from Estonia and I don't recall her name. She is tall and looks naturally blonde. Trinity. . .
Frankly,
It's irrational to expect girls to get wet from being horny when she is fucking the tenth customer for the day and 50th for the week. I think that's arrogant to even think that way. To her it's a job. Do you get horny when you have a meeting with a customer, or talk to your boss?
I think almost all the girls use some sort of cream, and if they don't, good for them, but my self esteem doesn't depend on if the girl uses cream or closes the eyes. Most also close eyes to focus. Looking distracts them.
I go to the club and fuck the girls for MY pleasure. I assume the only pleasure that the girls get is the euros I give them.I really don't understand why it is being arrogant to be curious about something and discussing with people here. I think contrary it is very arrogant to write people here in an aggressive and insulting way for answering some thoughts. Of course I don't get horny when I am in a meeting with a customer and I also don't wear some sexy lingerie in my job. Here many times emphasized the chemistry between man and woman even the money paid exists or not. Of course I am not expecting to be her boyfriend. Really sad for you because you can only give pleasure by paying. I remember many times I gave pleasure in many different ways even it is a paid interaction.
Hessen Bub
12-13-16, 08:27
She said I should do something to make her wet. And how can I expect that she get wet normally?
Same thing is about closing eyes is it always means that your partner doesn't find you attractive or not enjoying having sex with you? Or I am too sensitive? I mean for both not getting wet and closing eyes?Why or how should she get wet? By looking at you? Or sucking your dick? Come on, it's paid sex, she's acting and pretending she likes you and how you fuck her. Some girls that are wet without you seeing them put on lubricant have applied it before the session so the client can't see.
Closing her eyes: That's when she is imagining Sirioja fucking her respectfully.
HB.
PussyLiccker
12-13-16, 08:36
Hey Iceberg, some working girls tend to get naturally wet over others(you've probably already encountered them). Even in paid sex so it's not totally unusual. One funny encounter was a girl that hasn't had sex in months according to her. When she told me this I was like whoa? Which was questionable. Perhaps working in clubs she get's plenty of sex, so forgoing sex for prolonged duration isn't such a big deal.
Interestingly, she was dripping wet, no lube used. Service isn't anything that great, nothing passionate, and I doubt she was turned on by me. Like she said, it's been awhile since she had sex.
There are girls that are obviously in horny mood, and do get wet. Wants heavy fingering, etc. No, it's not from my DATY skills or whatnot, but it occurs due to her mood. Not all that common for me of course, but I have encountered it.
It is much more fun if it's that obvious that she is in the high mood, which does push high motivations on my side during the session.
Frankly,
It's irrational to expect girls to get wet from being horny when she is fucking the tenth customer for the day and 50th for the week. I think that's arrogant to even think that way. To her it's a job. Do you get horny when you have a meeting with a customer, or talk to your boss?
I think almost all the girls use some sort of cream, and if they don't, good for them, but my self esteem doesn't depend on if the girl uses cream or closes the eyes. Most also close eyes to focus. Looking distracts them.
I go to the club and fuck the girls for MY pleasure. I assume the only pleasure that the girls get is the euros I give them.Others maybe having a completely different experience to you ( I am). It is very rare for girls to be already pre lubed (or wet) when I start DATY on them. By the end of DATY, many will be juiced up even if was only saliva (and it isn't just that). Many girls after DATY will want to mob up the excess juice with a wipe or paper towel.
Then of course apply a good quality lube is important to counter the excessive rubbing friction from a latex condom. Yes we cannot expect girls to be totally self lubricated.
There is the odd girl that claim they are very wet and do not need lube (and their juice does not taste like lube and is too watery), and seem to be partially correct, however long duration sex with condoms always requires lube, in my experience. Any natural juice is not going to last that long with working girls.
Why or how should she get wet? By looking at you? Or sucking your dick? Come on, it's paid sex, she's acting and pretending she likes you and how you fuck her. Some girls that are wet without you seeing them put on lubricant have applied it before the session so the client can't see.
Closing her eyes: That's when she is imagining Sirioja fucking her respectfully.
HB.Iceberg, your girl is blond Estonian Trinity always wearing short dress to hide her belly. Not new in business.
HB, You never met so wet girls even in brothels? So, You miss Sandra or Amira World. Some also give You to drink for DATY, or make noisy vagina "floc floc" while fucking, without using gel.
Even paid sex in brothels, why not behaving respectfully? I remember superstar Kate coming straight to me when she recognized me before I did because she changed her hair darker compare to Sharks, saying me she remembered how I treated her in room at Sharks and she didn't seem to like much her Sharks April experience, even she was busy. Also when I read Sandra or Megan were busy, when I went with them, they were never busy for me and went to me as soon they saw me. Also, no girl never took me to desk, after about 400 days in brothels, not so bad for a so bad guy.
Hey Iceberg, some working girls tend to get naturally wet over others(you've probably already encountered them). Even in paid sex so it's not totally unusual. One funny encounter was a girl that hasn't had sex in months according to her. When she told me this I was like whoa? Which was questionable. Perhaps working in clubs she get's plenty of sex, so forgoing sex for prolonged duration isn't such a big deal.
Interestingly, she was dripping wet, no lube used. Service isn't anything that great, nothing passionate, and I doubt she was turned on by me. Like she said, it's been awhile since she had sex.
There are girls that are obviously in horny mood, and do get wet. Wants heavy fingering, etc. No, it's not from my DATY skills or whatnot, but it occurs due to her mood. Not all that common for me of course, but I have encountered it.
It is much more fun if it's that obvious that she is in the high mood, which does push high motivations on my side during the session.Hey PL,
All I want to do ignite a discussion about this being wet related with how much she wants to have sex with you or not or is it irrelevant. Maybe it is possible that she get wet and actually hate doing it with you or very dry but really want to do that at the moment with you But another discussion is about that they like you or not? I don't agree with people that this is a paid interaction and never a chemistry exists and girls are always pretending that she likes you. I just don't agree with that. This is just my opinion and everyone can have their own of course. I believe about working girls; Yes definitely need money and doing that for money but I also think that they are a little bit sex obsessed persons like people here so they have found a nice way to saty their needs. Also all we know there are some semi-pro girls comes to FKK clubs only on weekends for the pleasure. I remember some posts about them in somewhere. Of course major percentage of them are there for money. In vast majority of the sessions they are playing. I wrote before that they are mostly single moms. But you cannot ignore sometimes even it is a paid interaction it is possible boht sides can enjoy these moments.
I forgot to add something. Trinity told me that she had orgasm two times with a customer who gives her a DATY and he was 69 years old. And I told her "Yea that is normal because he is licking pussies for maybe 40 years so this is a long experience. LOL. " Also another guy gave her a nice massage and that was again a very good session for her. That guy know how to make a girl happy. She had decided to meet him outside but when she saw how bad was his clothes in lockers area she lost all interest in him. Just two interesting stories that I share with you.
Hessen Bub
12-13-16, 12:27
By the end of DATY, many will be juiced up even if was only saliva (and it isn't just that).That's another scenario, having DATY. He was like "I didn't touch her and she wasn't wet from seeing me".
HB.
PussyLiccker
12-13-16, 12:30
I've been with girls totally dry. Wet starting out, and then dry. Wetter throughout the session. There is a difference from lube and natural juice.
Of course we all know the amount of money we pay them cannot secrete her natural juices. Maybe for some Hehe.
There are girls that don't use lube, but not always from naturally wet.
Believe me, there are ones that will get naturally wet.
Chances are low to find the wedding nigh sessions. Circumstances probably creates it. Her mood. A wedding night session and then the next one was just so different. I was hoping she is like that always, but just happen to session in the right mood that I think about it. Those sessions I consider my absolute tops, but also my top sessions weren't really those type sessions, but highly service oriented girls that is in a mode to please.
Although it's paid, there are odd encounters unexpected ran into. Made this hobby more interesting. I'm hopeful I run into those again, but don't expect it.
Like Syz says, friction and lots of sessions, so lube is expected.
That's another scenario, having DATY. He was like "I didn't touch her and she wasn't wet from seeing me".
HB.I never said somehing like that.
Hessen Bub
12-13-16, 17:03
I was a bit in talking mode instead of having sex. At the beginning she made BBBJ and put a condom on my dick and then put a piece of lubricant cream on my dick. ....I asked her why you use this you are not get wet with me? This kind of sounded like it.
HB.
This kind of sounded like it.
HB.That was at least after 15-20 minutes foreplay and blowjob.
PussyLiccker
12-13-16, 17:21
He just asked her a question. He said he was into talking mood. So they had a talk to kill his curiosity. That's the way I read it. Nothing about demand to get wet. Nobody has control over that.
FlagRunner7
12-13-16, 18:30
Hi all,
I discovered the FKK scene earlier this year after years of Nevada brothel-hopping. I've been to Germany twice since then (most recently two weeks ago) and had a great time at Goldentime, Living Room and Acapulco (Velbert). I'm still relatively new to the scene and the only comparison I have is Nevada. I'm visiting again this weekend for one night only and I really want to make the most out of this. Please forgive the newbie questions, but any advice would be appreciated.
I'd like to know what you can and can't do in an hour (EUR 100) as standard. In my past visits I've done BBBJ, DFK and GFE for no extra and I understand these are standard but things such as anal / DATY / CIM are extra. How about something like FIA? Last couple of times I went for this and my hand was pushed away although neither girl said anything about it being possible for extra money.
Secondly, I'm travelling to Goldentime and Living Room again and I only have one day. Can anyone recommend a girl for the best GFE? That's really what I'm looking for.
Finally, just for a bit of fun, if you had one hour with a girl at Goldentime / Living Room, what would you do, and how much would you expect to pay? I understand this is personal and YMMV but I'm not very imaginative and just looking for ideas about things I might want to try that are tried and tested with the girls (I. E. They won't totally freak out at the suggestion!
Again, apologies for the newbie questions!
Thanks.
Wolvenvacht
12-13-16, 20:32
Frankly,
It's irrational to expect girls to get wet from being horny when she is fucking the tenth customer for the day and 50th for the week. I think that's arrogant to even think that way. To her it's a job. Do you get horny when you have a meeting with a customer, or talk to your boss?Well, there is no certain link between getting horny and getting wet.
I remember having read in a legal journal many years ago that in a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) case, the defendant argued that he did not [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) the girl and that although she repeatedly said "no" (which was confirmed by independent witnesses), this was just a "game" because she was already wet when he entered her and hence her body expressed her willingness to have sex.
This defence failed however upon the expert evidence of an MD who explained that women get wet in the expectation of an imminent penetration, whether or not the penetration is forced or with her consent. It is simply a defence mechanism of the female body to avoid damage to her tender parts. Of course this all has its limits and if you are the x-th customer in a row her juices may simply have reached the end of the line or when you fuck for a long time (especially with a condom) her juices cannot keep up the pace.
Member #4581
12-13-16, 22:48
Iceberg,
First you said:
At the beginning she made BBBJ and put a condom on my dick and then put a piece of lubricant cream on my dick. When a girl do it I am really a little bit uppset but usually since am in a horny mode I give up and go on but this time I asked her why you use this you are not get wet with me? She said I should do something to make her wet. And how can I expect that she get wet normally? Then you said:
I really don't understand why it is being arrogant to be curious about something If all you said was if you are curious about girls getting wet on their own, I would not have used the world "arrogant".
But you said, explicitly, that you get upset when such a thing happens. That is not mere curiosity.
Member #4581
12-13-16, 23:02
Others maybe having a completely different experience to you ( I am). It is very rare for girls to be already pre lubed (or wet) when I start DATY on them. By the end of DATY, many will be juiced up even if was only saliva (and it isn't just that). Many girls after DATY will want to mob up the excess juice with a wipe or paper towel.
Then of course apply a good quality lube is important to counter the excessive rubbing friction from a latex condom. Yes we cannot expect girls to be totally self lubricated.
There is the odd girl that claim they are very wet and do not need lube (and their juice does not taste like lube and is too watery), and seem to be partially correct, however long duration sex with condoms always requires lube, in my experience. Any natural juice is not going to last that long with working girls.Well, I don't do DATY in the clubs, but perhaps that (DATY) is the answer to Iceberg's question. Anyway, I actually did not write anything about my experience. I just said it is arrogant to expect a girl will be naturally wet after fucking dozens of customers in a weak, and getting upset if they are not naturally wet and having to apply any jelly. To me, if they are naturally wet, that's a bonus. Its bad enough that we expect them to provide GFE, but to demand their bodies also get synchronized and their pussies to become naturally lubricated is a lofty demand.
And my point about Euros. May be because I don't expect girls to ever finish with me, they tell a different story but almost all of them say that they rarely have a finish in the club, that it is just a job for them, and when they do finish it is on their own, or occasionally with a lot of DATY, but it is not predictable or repeatable process (I. E. They don't finish off just because a guy is good looking, or don't finish with the same guy consistently; it just happens occasionally). Getting them to finish is not a even an aspiration for me, ever. What they say is they like guys who pay well, not too hard on them and their pussies, treat them respectfully and well, and smell nice and have a clean breath. Well, anyway, that's the story they tell me.
PussyLiccker
12-14-16, 04:30
Iceberg has been around the scene, so I'm sure he ran into good share of girls that use lube and therefore don't expect wet horny girls every time. LOL. Probably didn't express his ideas all that well as his English is lacking.
Member #4581
12-14-16, 04:59
Fair enough. No disrespect meant, just merely pointed out what can come across as arrogant. I make a thousand mistakes in my own reports myself, and am in no position to point out grammar and other English language errors in the reports of other punters. I thoroughly enjoyed his recent GT, LR and other NRW trip reports and was actually tempted to visit those clubs on my next visit, based partly on his writings, as until now I always limit myself to Sharks and Oase.
Hi all,
I discovered the FKK scene earlier this year after years of Nevada brothel-hopping. I've been to Germany twice since then (most recently two weeks ago) and had a great time at Goldentime, Living Room and Acapulco (Velbert). I'm still relatively new to the scene and the only comparison I have is Nevada. I'm visiting again this weekend for one night only and I really want to make the most out of this. Please forgive the newbie questions, but any advice would be appreciated.
I'd like to know what you can and can't do in an hour (EUR 100) as standard. In my past visits I've done BBBJ, DFK and GFE for no extra and I understand these are standard but things such as anal / DATY / CIM are extra. How about something like FIA? Last couple of times I went for this and my hand was pushed away although neither girl said anything about it being possible for extra money.
Secondly, I'm travelling to Goldentime and Living Room again and I only have one day. Can anyone recommend a girl for the best GFE? That's really what I'm looking for.
Finally, just for a bit of fun, if you had one hour with a girl at Goldentime / Living Room, what would you do, and how much would you expect to pay? I understand this is personal and YMMV but I'm not very imaginative and just looking for ideas about things I might want to try that are tried and tested with the girls (I. E. They won't totally freak out at the suggestion!
Again, apologies for the newbie questions!
Thanks.If they work, I can advice you blond Serbian Dounia at GT, sitting in front of the bar. If you go after at LR, ask for discount 25 when you leave GT, so You will pay 95 for both. At LR, blond Jeni. Ro or brunette curly hair Lily. Ru or small Claudia. Ro dancing at the pole or blond Nora. Ru with tattoo on belly, for high sexual level.
For 1 hour, you can foreplay kissing, DATY, BBBJ without any extra and sex with 1 or 2 rounds if you are fast, for 100, a smile and kiss from the girl at locker. Enjoy.
Fair enough. No disrespect meant, just merely pointed out what can come across as arrogant. I make a thousand mistakes in my own reports myself, and am in no position to point out grammar and other English language errors in the reports of other punters. I thoroughly enjoyed his recent GT, LR and other NRW trip reports and was actually tempted to visit those clubs on my next visit, based partly on his writings, as until now I always limit myself to Sharks and Oase.Jnpr,
It is really nice to hear some people benefiting my reports. Thanks.
Iceberg, your girl is blond Estonian Trinity always wearing short dress to hide her belly. Not new in business.
Sirioja,
Yea that is definitely her. She has nice long legs and was wearing a mini dress.
Iceberg,
First you said:
Then you said:If all you said was if you are curious about girls getting wet on their own, I would not have used the world "arrogant".
CVu
But you said, explicitly, that you get upset when such a thing happens. That is not mere curiosity.I think it is normal being a little bit uppset. Of course I didn't start to cry or go to the desk to claim her. LOL. Maybe I used the wrong word. Not uppset. Just made me think and needed to ask her. Curiosity was about the relation of being wet and sexual attraction to your partner.
PL,
Thanks for your support. I was only curious about this issue. My last GF was older than me and everytime we come home for sex she was jumping on me saying very passionate words. Taking of my shirt. Sucking me like crazy. She was behaving like she is dying to have sex with me. And when we came to penetration always asking for a lubricant gel. I had bought many types of them and have it in my car and bedroom. She was telling it is because the anti-depressants she is using. She was claiming these drugs making dryness in pussy. I broke up with her because I didn't have even half of her passion to have sex with her. But just was suspicious these theatre only for keeping me in hand. I don't know. Not really important now.
MythoVirus
12-14-16, 19:02
Planning to visit Frankfurt 5 big FKK clubs, the issue is because of the holidays, I'm not sure which day I should go to Germany.
So I have a choice of either 21st this month or 11th of Jan, which date you think I can enjoy the best LU?
I have 2 other questions.
Should I expect snow when I reach Frankfurt and around the 5 big FKK clubs?
And I'm from a never snowy country, so I dunno does the car need to have a special tires for the snow?
Thanks for any info.
Ggekko2009
12-14-16, 19:14
If they work, I can advice you blond Serbian Dounia at GT, sitting in front of the bar. If you go after at LR, ask for discount 25 when you leave GT, so You will pay 95 for both. At LR, blond Jeni. Ro or brunette curly hair Lily. Ru or small Claudia. Ro dancing at the pole or blond Nora. Ru with tattoo on belly, for high sexual level.
For 1 hour, you can foreplay kissing, DATY, BBBJ without any extra and sex with 1 or 2 rounds if you are fast, for 100, a smile and kiss from the girl at locker. Enjoy.As I was told by the girls in GT, the rate is 50 Euro per half hour or per shot whichever comes first. Is that true?
Banana Boi
12-14-16, 22:15
So I have a choice of either 21st this month or 11th of Jan, which date you think I can enjoy the best LU?
Should I expect snow when I reach Frankfurt and around the 5 big FKK clubs?No brainer January 11. SixT rental cars will have snow tires. There may be snow.
As I was told by the girls in GT, the rate is 50 Euro per half hour or per shot whichever comes first. Is that true?Rate at GT, LR, Samya, Hessen, is 50/30 mn, so if you finish very fast, you can leave or stay with the girl until 30 mn. I like to stay inside some girls after finishing, keeping on kissing and caressing them.
PussyLiccker
12-15-16, 03:02
As I was told by the girls in GT, the rate is 50 Euro per half hour or per shot whichever comes first. Is that true?In all my sessions at GT, pretty rare to walk out before time is up. None of the 15-20 min or 45 min walk out crap. The girls I've been with provides the time I pay for. Similarly LR. If I get done early than the time, twnd to chill until time is up. I've gotten pretty used to this because of the clubs I've attended. See, what you get used to becomes a new standard and if you go back to worse or go to worse, you really feel the difference.
Ggekko2009
12-15-16, 04:06
In all my sessions at GT, pretty rare to walk out before time is up. None of the 15-20 min or 45 min walk out crap. The girls I've been with provides the time I pay for. Similarly LR. If I get done early than the time, twnd to chill until time is up. I've gotten pretty used to this because of the clubs I've attended. See, what you get used to becomes a new standard and if you go back to worse or go to worse, you really feel the difference.Good to know. I think some of these girls do pull a stunt like these on some newbies, especially those from Asia. Luckily, I have not experienced this kind of crap. However, there was this black hair Bulgarian girl in GT, Katherine, who tried to pull a different stunt asking me for Christmas bonus in the locker room after our session, and I had to politely say no. Guess I am just following the rule of the game, LOL.
No brainer January 11. SixT rental cars will have snow tires. There may be snow.Even with winter tires, Germans are funny on snowy autobahns, for sure they are not Finnish. I wish for a big snow Winter with ultra soft tires and to enjoy great free ride, starting for Christmas present.
Hessen Bub
12-15-16, 11:47
As I was told by the girls in GT, the rate is 50 Euro per half hour or per shot whichever comes first. Is that true?You are paying for the time, so you can stay the full 30 min. On the other hand within 30 min you are usually limited to one shot. Very few girls will allow you two shots in 30 min.
HB.
GagLord0730
12-15-16, 23:08
Hello friends,
I've heard that its not really worth it going during the holiday season, I was planning on going around the 26th this month but I am real discouraged, should I wait until after new years?
Hello friends,
I've heard that its not really worth it going during the holiday season, I was planning on going around the 26th this month but I am real discouraged, should I wait until after new years?About 20 January when most will return.
Hi gents,
Can anyone please kindly advise the best place to exchange US $ (cash) to Euro, in Frankfurt? Do I get a better rate to buy Euros in the US at the airport? Any recommendation for a specific place at Frankfurt airport or city?
Thanks!
Member #4581
12-16-16, 04:54
Don't exchange at the airport. Or at the hotel. Both are total, absolute, gigantic rip offs. Blood sucking setups really.
ATM card is the best way to go. I have preferred status at a couple of my banks, and they don't charge the extra 3% or whatever they normally charge. One of them even reimburses me the $4 or whatever it costs for using at out of network ATMs. So, on that one, I pretty much obtain a rate that is almost the same as the quoted rate. So, for today, that could be almost 1. 04 dollars for one euro.
A few years ago, before I had these preferred cards with me, I would buy Euros ahead of my trip. Now, this required planning. But whether it is Citi, Bank of A, Chase, whatever, if you contact your bank ahead and tell them you need a thousand euro, they will order and give them to you. They used to charge me 2% or so for this. Still way better than the ripoff 6% or higher charged at the airport. The disadvantage is that you have to plan ahead and carry a large amount of cash with you, it at least you are not paying a huge commission.
If you are a punter that stays around for 5,6 nights and sessions with 4,5 girls each night, you will end up spending a couple of thousand euros if not more. 5% service fee would be a hundred, but I remember the airport suckers charge even more than 5%. Why not save it and spend it on the girls?
PussyLiccker
12-16-16, 05:24
Just get a Charles Schwab or Capital One 360 debit card with no foreign transaction fees, and pull money out of the ATM. Simpler that way. There's ATMs at the airport.
I'm considering a visit from Frankfurt from January 12 to the 18. Will it be a waste of time? Will the girls still be on vacation then?
I'll probably be at Palace, Oase and Sharks. World is too far and Mainhattan has been hit or miss for me. Thanks.
Just get a Charles Schwab or Capital One 360 debit card with no foreign transaction fees, and pull money out of the ATM. Simpler that way. There's ATMs at the airport.Thanks for your response and suggestion. I always use ATMs at the airport like you suggested but there is a daily limit of $400 for me and I already got $1200 cash at hand. Any suggestion for a place (strategy) to exchange with less rip-off rate / margin?
What will be the best day to visit Sharks and oase.
Ggekko2009
12-16-16, 15:09
Just get a Charles Schwab or Capital One 360 debit card with no foreign transaction fees, and pull money out of the ATM. Simpler that way. There's ATMs at the airport...Capital One 360 is a good idea. However, will you still be charged for ATM fee, assuming that cash withdrawal is done on any bank's ATM. If not, I might just carry it with me in the future instead of Bank of A, since it has a hefty 3% transaction fee.
Another option is to load a prepay currency card before you leave home. Some have very good rates and allow big cash withdrawals, say, 1000 euro with only a 1.50 euro transaction fee
For purchases in shops and filling stations then a credit card with no commission and the full market exchange rate are unbeatable.
PussyLiccker
12-16-16, 18:46
Thanks for your response and suggestion. I always use ATMs at the airport like you suggested but there is a daily limit of $400 for me and I already got $1200 cash at hand. Any suggestion for a place (strategy) to exchange with less rip-off rate / margin?Call the bank and raise the withdrawl limit. My banks allows it. I have a 1500 daily withdrawl limit.
The banks has a security feature if there are suspecious withrawl activity. Like significan funds being drawn at another country's ATM. So, they advise you to let them know of future travels and daily max expecteed to withdrawl. They will lock you from withdrawing if they are not alerted.
Like Jnpr stated, banks have ATM fee reimbursement. Check with your bank. Charles Schwab does. As far as all technicalities of reimbursements I'm not sure.
Also, I believe Volks bank has ATMs you can dictate what type of notes to come out instead of 100's which haplens in some ATMs.
Hessen Bub
12-16-16, 18:51
Also, I believe Volks bank has ATMs you can dictate what type of notes to come out instead of 100's which haplens in some ATMs.Not only Volksbank. Many ATM allow you to choose the bills. 100€ bills are less common, usually it's mostly 50€ and then a few lower denominations.
HB.
daily limit of $400 Per card. And what's stopping you from getting another debit card (or more)? Schwab lets you link multiple debit cards and they don't charge a yearly fee, open several debit card accounts and link them together and transfer money between them as needed.
Planning to visit Frankfurt 5 big FKK clubs, the issue is because of the holidays, I'm not sure which day I should go to Germany.
So I have a choice of either 21st this month or 11th of Jan, which date you think I can enjoy the best LU?
I have 2 other questions.
Should I expect snow when I reach Frankfurt and around the 5 big FKK clubs?
And I'm from a never snowy country, so I dunno does the car need to have a special tires for the snow?
Thanks for any info.Take care when driving in Germany during the winter, while its now law that all cars must have winter tires most are just M&S not really full blown snow tires. If you don't have experience driving in the snow you're in for a surprise. Black ice can cause huge accidents. One year they closed down the entire A3 due to snow diverting all the traffic to small roadways. Drive slow and don't jam your brakes. Thus I prefer to go with others who have more experience.
Naturally they'll be less women during the holiday season Dec-Jan but usually you can make due. This also means less guests to compete with. Take care, any day at an FKK is a good day.
Carpe Viam
12-17-16, 07:51
My daily withdraw limit is 2000. But I never could take 2000 from ATM in one time (I mean I have to do two operations for 1000 for getting 2000 with same ATM).
All German ATM has 1000 limits or I just don't have luck?
Call the bank and raise the withdrawl limit. My banks allows it. I have a 1500 daily withdrawl limit.
PussyLiccker
12-17-16, 16:28
I have only taken out max 1k on a single withdraw, but never tried such an amount. I have ran into Autobahn rest-stop ATMs that limit to 300. So, I just pull money multiple times.
What are some of the banks other than VolksBank that provides ATM that you are allowed to select number and types of notes?
HB, 50 Euros is most common, but I have ran into ATMs that spit out 100's. Deutch Bank was one that I ran into this for large sum.
Horny Harry
12-17-16, 16:28
Take care when driving in Germany during the winter, while its now law that all cars must have winter tires most are just M&S not really full blown snow tires. Really? To the best of my knowledge, M&S tires are winter tires and are good enough. Spikes (studded tires) are not allowed in Germany on public roads AFAIK.
PussyLiccker
12-17-16, 16:50
Some info on sim cards I've used in De for those interesed.
I recently tried Lebara recommended by a friend, but my expections didn't meet what I was told. I expected to find 5 Gig sim for 20 Euros somewhere, but had no idea where. I did find a 15 Euros Lebara sim at Real with 2 Gigs. Lebara is uk based so you can call the number(the number they provide works on the non-activated sim, which was helpful) and there is an English language assistant option during the call. You given them any De address and they will register the sim. Hotel, etc. Disappointed to find out that I was getting hspa connection at max and get edge at some places as well. What I liked is that the sim activates shortly after the call. So, no better than lidl or Aldi cards in regards to speed. The best sim for LTE is Deutsch Telecom, T-mobile with the best coverage, but limited high speed data.
You can get sim kits at Shell or Aral gas stations. Anyway, lidl, aldi type cards are good enough, but the coverage isn't.
Hi gents,
Can anyone please kindly advise the best place to exchange US $ (cash) to Euro, in Frankfurt? Do I get a better rate to buy Euros in the US at the airport? Any recommendation for a specific place at Frankfurt airport or city?
Thanks!Almost always, direct withdrawal from any major bank ATM gives you the cheapest rates. You'd probably pay a per transaction fee but that is minimal for most large US banks. For example, I get market rates from Wells Fargo with a $5 fee per transaction.
Really? To the best of my knowledge, M&S tires are winter tires and are good enough. Spikes (studded tires) are not allowed in Germany on public roads AFAIK.Right.
More precisely, the law says that one has to have tyres appropriate to the weather. So, if it is winter but 15 degrees, summer tyres are fine. If it is -10 in the summer, they are not.
The rule of thumb is "Oktober bis Ostern", that is, October to Easter, though this is just a rule of thumb.
In practice, you won't be fined for having the wrong tyres, except perhaps if your are stopped for some other reason. However, if you are involved in an accident, at least if you are at fault, then inappropriate tyres (whether or not an actual cause of the accident) wil certainly make your situation worse.
Presumably, any rental car would have the appropriate tyres.
At FKK clubs in Frankfurt, is ID required to enter the club all the time? I am not from Europe. Should I be carrying my passport with me to the club or my California drivers license be an acceptable ID if asked?
Thanks.
For a new guy going to Cologne which club would you head to first I'll probably go for a weekend in Feb or at least a day trip as I live close by?
Carpe Viam
12-18-16, 01:09
I use few ATM of bank at Rheinstrass (Darmstadt). I can choice types of notes, but 1000 limits on a single withdraw (commission every time).
I have only taken out max 1k on a single withdraw, but never tried such an amount. I have ran into Autobahn rest-stop ATMs that limit to 300. So, I just pull money multiple times.
What are some of the banks other than VolksBank that provides ATM that you are allowed to select number and types of notes?
HB, 50 Euros is most common, but I have ran into ATMs that spit out 100's. Deutch Bank was one that I ran into this for large sum.
PussyLiccker
12-18-16, 05:43
By commission, you mean foreign transaction fee or ATM fee(or both)? Foreign transaction fee is a fixed percentage so it won't matter how many times you draw money. ATM fees(if applies) are per usage.
My Schwab card has no fees for either. So, it's an ideal card for travels. Are you able to get a Schwab card? If not, perhaps there is a card that waves fees where you are from.
Hessen Bub
12-18-16, 10:01
HB, 50 Euros is most common, but I have ran into ATMs that spit out 100's. Deutch Bank was one that I ran into this for large sum.You can still change into 50€ bills at the bank counter if open or at the club directly.
HB.
Citizen Kane
12-18-16, 10:20
At FKK clubs in Frankfurt, is ID required to enter the club all the time? I am not from Europe. Should I be carrying my passport with me to the club or my California drivers license be an acceptable ID if asked?
Thanks.You won't need ID to enter a club unless you could be mistaken for being under 18 but I believe in Germany it's a requirement that you carry some form of photo ID with you at all times to show the Police if required. I'm not certain if a photo drivers license is suitable for this. I have heard tells of Police raids (Razzia) on clubs where guys have been escorted back to their hotels to get suitable ID if they didn't have any with them. I do have a VERY vague recollection of a guy from the US (Tommy Seville maybe...) posting that he had used his driving license for just this purpose and it had worked, but I mean seriously vague.
Personally I always carry my passport with me but, as it's the only form of photo ID I have, I don't have much choice.
Almost always, direct withdrawal from any major bank ATM gives you the cheapest rates. You'd probably pay a per transaction fee but that is minimal for most large US banks. For example, I get market rates from Wells Fargo with a $5 fee per transaction.Yeah, but he has to be careful of all these scam ATM's like Euronet, Cardzone, Moneybox, Travelex etc. Worst rates and are sometimes located next to the big banks outlets. Or in fkk's
Hessen Bub
12-18-16, 10:37
Police might insist on a passport or ID and not accept a driving license with photo. So having proper ID on you will help avoiding a hassle.
HB.
Banana Boi
12-18-16, 10:47
For a new guy going to Cologne which club would you head to first I'll probably go for a weekend in Feb or at least a day trip as I live close by?There are only 2 main clubs in Cologne, Samya and Mondial. Weekend nights can get crazy after 10 pm especially in Mondial. Personally Mondial is my favorite club but I avoid Friday and Saturday nights there. Read both club threads and decide. Please write up a review on either or both as they are definitely needed and appreciated.
Ggekko2009
12-18-16, 14:26
Police might insist on a passport or ID and not accept a driving license with photo. So having proper ID on you will help avoiding a hassle.
HB.I was pulled over once for speeding in the city, of all places in Germany but that is another story, and he only asked for my driver's license and car registration. They knew I was not local since I only spoke English with them. When I asked if they need to see my passport, they said no.
By the way, police do set up checkpoints around Darmstadt to check for drunk driving at night. I was stopped not long after leaving Sharks the last time, and when I mentioned that I just left the place and was heading to the airport, they just let me through.
There are only 2 main clubs in Cologne, Samya and Mondial. Weekend nights can get crazy after 10 pm especially in Mondial. Personally Mondial is my favorite club but I avoid Friday and Saturday nights there. Read both club threads and decide. Please write up a review on either or both as they are definitely needed and appreciated.Thanks for the info.
After visiting Artemis last month I have no intention of staying late was looking for an afternoon early evening visit say getting there at 2-3 and leaving about 9 ish.
Which club would be better for an afternoon visit I'd be with my car.
Should I also consider VL since it's closer to Belgium where I live?
PussyLiccker
12-18-16, 19:30
Yeah I visited Mondial on a Mon this time, and the ratio was much better. Mondial propbably isn't that significant of a difference to Fri or Sat when it comes of attendance of girls.
Banana Boi
12-18-16, 22:08
getting there at 2-3 and leaving about 9 ish.
Which club would be better for an afternoon visit I'd be with my car.Both clubs are going to suck at 2-3 pm. Mondial and Samya girls generally arrive at 5-6 pm and later. Mondial always has more girls than Samya. Mondial is the cheaper club with 30 euro vs. 50 euro entry. Short sessions cheaper at Mondial but a 1 hour session is more at Mondial. There are better day time club options but nothing close to Cologne.
PussyLiccker
12-18-16, 22:23
1 HR session is still cheaper at Mondial. Samya went up to 50 every half. Draw is the low entry and being able to increment in 20 min (30 Euros), and number of girls. Decent food for what you pay.
MythoVirus
12-18-16, 23:17
Take care when driving in Germany during the winter, while its now law that all cars must have winter tires most are just M&S not really full blown snow tires. If you don't have experience driving in the snow you're in for a surprise. Black ice can cause huge accidents. One year they closed down the entire A3 due to snow diverting all the traffic to small roadways. Drive slow and don't jam your brakes. Thus I prefer to go with others who have more experience.
Naturally they'll be less women during the holiday season Dec-Jan but usually you can make due. This also means less guests to compete with. Take care, any day at an FKK is a good day.Oh I guess I will not risk it, I don't want to ruin my travel with a road traffic accident, even if no accidents occurs I'm confident I will drive with anxiety which will turn my vacation into nothing less than stress. I appreciate your input mate, and I will not rent a car, fuck it.
Vito Corleone
12-19-16, 03:15
Oh I guess I will not risk it, I don't want to ruin my travel with a road traffic accident, even if no accidents occurs I'm confident I will drive with anxiety which will turn my vacation into nothing less than stress. I appreciate your input mate, and I will not rent a car, fuck it.It's really not that bad. You can't fly on the autobahn at 250 km. Just use common sense & drive with more caution. The small local roads are the most dangerous. Can be icy & you might experience some sliding around but as long as you are driving slow it's never been an issue. Driving 250+ on the autobahn during non icy conditions is quite a thrill & I can feel the blood rushing to my balls but have had some close calls with dumbs cutting in front last second.
Oh I guess I will not risk it, I don't want to ruin my travel with a road traffic accident, even if no accidents occurs I'm confident I will drive with anxiety which will turn my vacation into nothing less than stress. I appreciate your input mate, and I will not rent a car, fuck it.I was also very indecisive to rent or not but believe me it is always better to rent a car. It will be much more comfortable. And I am sure every rental company have snow tires. They have to adapt their cars to the country they operate and they know the regulations there better than you. I tried it it in both way and tested. IF you are not so timid on budget you should definitely rent a car. If you go to some popular third party websites like expedia you can see some cheaper offers. Last time I rented without insurance and basic car. I have learned that without insurance means you will pay the damages until 950 €. More than this you are still under coverage. I saved 55 usd for this for 4 days. The only dangerous moment was when I forget the pull the handbrake in airport autopark and take the idle speed. The black polo started to move frontward on the 5th floor of the building. I reacted fast and saved the car. I am just telling to make you laugh. Believe me in this freezing weather you don't want to wait trains in station or wait for the taxis. When you are left alone in German countryside waiting for a taxi then you will understand it is safer being in car even on snowy and icy roads.
Regards.
Solo Traveler
12-19-16, 15:58
I have a question regarding the EU immigration.
I will stay in the UK for one month.
However, during that month, I want to fly to Germany and spend my weekends in FKK clubs.
By doing that, it means I will enter / leave the UK / Germany for 3-4 times within one month.
I think this is going to draw the attention of the immigration officers.
What to tell the immigration officers on both sides?
Just tell them "Because there is no proper FKK Sauna Clubs in the UK, I have to go to Germany for FKK Sauna clubs to relax"?
Both clubs are going to suck at 2-3 pm. Mondial and Samya girls generally arrive at 5-6 pm and later. Mondial always has more girls than Samya. Mondial is the cheaper club with 30 euro vs. 50 euro entry. Short sessions cheaper at Mondial but a 1 hour session is more at Mondial. There are better day time club options but nothing close to Cologne.Oh this may change things then I want to get home again at a decent hour I'm 2 hours drive from there so planned to leave at 9. There have to be some company on in the afternoon? Otherwise why open?
I was hoping to get a sauna and watch some football?
Thanks for all the posts though it helps me decide.
P.S. I got my winter tires so no problem there.
Believe me in this freezing weather you don't want to wait trains in station or wait for the taxis. When you are left alone in German countryside waiting for a taxi then you will understand it is safer being in car even on snowy and icy roads.
Regards.Plus, in the winter a front-wheel drive is probably better. Mercedes and BMW are back-wheel drive if I'm not mistaken. They tend to be the bigger and more expensive cars anyway. There haven't been really bad road conditions in Germany these last few years. If you're offered a cheaper French car instead of a more expensive German one, go for the French. It will be just as good as the same German car for a identical engine size and it will come with more extra electronics and be harder to scratch (stronger bodywork paint).
There's a special insurance called "VERKEHRSRECHTSSCHUTZ". It covers all the legal costs of car accidents. In case of an accident you call the number and they send you a lawyer. I don't know whether such an insurance is included in a rent package or if it can be had for a short period.
Note that if you drive in Germany the riskier part is parking. I've scracthed my car four times over the last 8 years and I did it each time while parking or leaving a parking spot. But since you will drive from between hotels and FKKs parking should not be a big problem.
Horny Harry
12-19-16, 18:00
Oh I guess I will not risk it, I don't want to ruin my travel with a road traffic accident, even if no accidents occurs I'm confident I will drive with anxiety which will turn my vacation into nothing less than stress. I appreciate your input mate, and I will not rent a car, fuck it.
I was also very indecisive to rent or not but believe me it is always better to rent a car. It will be much more comfortable. And I am sure every rental company have snow tires. They have to adapt their cars to the country they operate and they know the regulations there better than you.Could we please stop all the bullshit about "snow tires?" There is no such thing as "snow tires." There are winter tires and those are not just for slush and snow (Matsch & Schnee => M&S), but they also have a softer rubber component that is more flexible at lower temperatures (below 7 degrees Celsius) when compared to summer tires. Thus they provide more (i.e. equally good as summer tires) grip during low temperatures, even on a dry road. Most rental companies (all as far as I know) have equipped their cars with M&S tires as they can be driven all year round and they don't require them to change tires twice per year during the change of seasons.
As someone else already mentioned, technically speaking winter tires are not even mandatory during winter, but the German law prescribes that "adequate tires for the weather circumstances" are required. Since spikes / studded tires are not allowed in Europe (except perhaps Scandinavia), the best you can do are regular winter tires with the M&S logo on them.
Just rent a car, drive slowly and conservatively and most people should be fine. Driving in winter is not rocket science, although visitors from warmer climates might not be used to driving under wintery conditions. Should there be some light to moderate snowfall, just follow the slower cars and let the 'fast boys' act like a hero. Heavy snowfall I would definitely avoid if someone is not used to wintery roads, but the days with heavy snowfall are very rare. Generally it only happens a few times per year.
Remember, roads can also be very slippery and treacherous (bad visibility) during summer after a long period of high temperatures after a nice cooling thunderstorm and there is no such thing as 100% safety. Nevertheless, by always using your brain when driving (no alcohol when driving, looking ahead + in mirrors, using common sense and taking your time) you decrease the odds of having an accident by quite a large percentage. 😉 And if it's really bad weather or you still feel very insecure: fuck it and pay for a taxi!
Citizen Kane
12-19-16, 18:15
Before hiring in winter it is probably best if you master the Scandinavian flick first.
Here's a video of a 'boyfriend' driving his girl to World last winter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ZauQdvlqo
Plus, in the winter a front-wheel drive is probably better. Mercedes and BMW are back-wheel drive if I'm not mistaken. They tend to be the bigger and more expensive cars anyway. There haven't been really bad road conditions in Germany these last few years. If you're offered a cheaper French car instead of a more expensive German one, go for the French. It will be just as good as the same German car for a identical engine size and it will come with more extra electronics and be harder to scratch (stronger bodywork paint).
There's a special insurance called "VERKEHRSRECHTSSCHUTZ". It covers all the legal costs of car accidents. In case of an accident you call the number and they send you a lawyer. I don't know whether such an insurance is included in a rent package or if it can be had for a short period.
Note that if you drive in Germany the riskier part is parking. I've scracthed my car four times over the last 8 years and I did it each time while parking or leaving a parking spot. But since you will drive from between hotels and FKKs parking should not be a big problem.XXL,
You are lucky that you found a parking place. I hope they didn't charge you for the scratches.
Could we please stop all the bullshit about "snow tires?" !Yes I will be more than happy if we can stop all the technical explanation and discussion about tires because as far as I know this is a sex travel website. And as I have said before you don't have to think about it. You only rent this car so the owner of the car have to worry about obeying laws.
Mythovirus,
I am sure all these discussions make you more cautious about hiring a car but believe me driving a car in Germany is a pleasure. Not that hard. I think everyone must experience once in a lifetime IMHO.
When you show up in autobahn all these nice cars passing near you and you are heading somewhere with full of nice ladies ready to suck your dick without a condom and nice foods unlimited. Nice drinks unlimited. You are feeling like "The World is Yours". LOL. So I repeat; it is better than sitting in a train and waiting your turn to show your ticket to the collector. LOL.
I have been to frankfurt thrice now and have visited sharks, oase palace.
Personally I liked sharks the best, with its jacuzzi and fantatic line up it felt awesome. Oase had a very dingy feel to it, with sections divided very poorly. But then that's my opinion.
I shalll be visiting Germany in last week of January again and was wondering if I should visit some other cities. Its a purely sex vacation and am waiting to experience some exception moments in FKK's. Someone help if I should move out of hessen region?? If yes, then where?
Solo Traveler
12-23-16, 17:10
Someone help if I should move out of hessen region?? If yes, then where?We are in the same shoes.
Just like you, my previous FKK clubs experience was within Hessen.
For my next step to explore outside of Hessen, the wisest choice seems to be Cologne and Dusseldorf.
There are ICE trains that connect Frankfurt and Cologne within 1 hour.
Kirk Lazarus
12-24-16, 06:13
With Christmas coming up, I assume that a lot of the girls will go back to their home countries for the holidays. From your experience, when in January will the rosters be back to full strength with girls returning from the holiday season?
Banana Boi
12-26-16, 08:20
Friday, January 13, 2017 at 7:01 pm.
We are in the same shoes.
Just like you, my previous FKK clubs experience was within Hessen.
For my next step to explore outside of Hessen, the wisest choice seems to be Cologne and Dusseldorf.
There are ICE trains that connect Frankfurt and Cologne within 1 hour.In Cologne and dusseldorf. What places one should visit?
ExpatLover
12-26-16, 14:01
With Christmas coming up, I assume that a lot of the girls will go back to their home countries for the holidays. From your experience, when in January will the rosters be back to full strength with girls returning from the holiday season?With the orthodox calendar you can't expect full LU before at least mid of January but there will be always enough girls for your taste if you visit the big FKK.
Not sure if this posted since my page expired when I pressed post.
Made a trip to Frankfurt over a month ago and visited 4 major clubs there. Here are my impressions. Let me preface this by saying that I have very little experience. Visited only Sharks, Globe and Acapulco on few other occasions and I wanted to gain full assessment during this trip by visiting everything that's there in Frankfurt. Let me also mention that I generally have girlfriends and is used to GFE, and was visiting more for novelty, experience and choice of 20 year olds. My expectations were low. I know its a hit or miss adventure with every single choice. Before the trip I made up my mind that I will mostly go for hour long session and all picks will be mine irrespective how aggressive their approaches are.
Anyway, flew with wow air. Not a bad experience at all. The problem though is that every time I fly, especially overseas, I get borderline sick. I didn't expect it to be this bad but it was. I generally do know how to fight it off but it was not enough. That essentially set the tone for the entire trip and it convinced me even more that's going to be novelty trip more than anything else. The reason being is that generally I have strong erections but this made them weak and out of my full control.
First visited Mainhattan since it's right in the city. About 30+ girls, not impressive looking at all, but seeing all the girls naked after arriving from a desert called USA was very impressive. Walked around and picked a green eyed blond from Moldavia that was standing out. Good choice. Girl was good looking, new her craft and was smart and playful throughout. After a session, I just observed other girls. Not much business on a Thursday night which surprised me. Lot of girls looked desperate for business. Anyway, average club with average food.
Friday went to sharks. I was there before and knew what to expect. 100+ girls, great food. Just the sheer number of girls and food sets the tone for a good experience. Picked up a tall strong busty brunette that's 29 and only 1 month in business. BTW, they are all Romanian so I am not going to even mention that part. Anyway, it did look like she was new to the business since everything was tight. Good session again. After the session, I just sat in the corner of the club and observed. Noticed again lot of girls just sitting idle for hours. It's was surprising to see such on a Friday. I know their business goes in waves but it seems to me it can be quite frustrating and stressful for an average girl. That got me thinking about something. If a girl pays the same price to get in as men, and she is struggling to get business, and you show up hinting an hour long session, she should most likely give you a good session since it will put her in the black for that day. Don't know if that's always the case but I think it might make some difference.
Saturday went to Oase. Was surprised how busy it was. Lots of men and it seems a favorite destination for visitors. Don't know why when Sharks seems much better. Perhaps because it's further away. But it's really not since you will be doing a train and a walk vs train and taxi. Anyway, picked up small girl with perky tits and that was a miss. Vibe was off from the get go but I continued just for looks. No big deal. The second session I picked up a young blond big boob girl that was a bit on a chubby side. She was built for speed and that was a good choice. Nice girl, playful and talkative. 4 months in, no lube was needed. Food was decent. Oase really looks like fast food place. I arrived around 6 pm and was getting looks from every single girl. By the time 10 pm rolled around, everyone had so much sex that nobody was paying attention to anybody. I can only imagine how disinterested the women are later on in the night. One other thing surprised me in Oase. And that is men piling into the hot tub. Don't you guys know that hot water is not good for your testosterone and sperm count? And it's not as if these men were bursting with testosterone to begin with. Just the opposite.
Monday went to Palace. Was not impressed at all. Women were used up and average. Every other one had silicone. Picked up a girl that was not worth mentioning. Food was below average. Locker room was dark and old. Overall very old and dated place but it did have clean rooms.
Final impressions. Sharks stands out by far. If someone told me that I can eat very good food and watch tons of women naked for 65 bucks, I'd probably do it for that reason alone. Oase is next but probably on a less busier day. The other two are probably not worth your visit unless you are in town and don't have time for first two. As far as women, it really comes down to a choice no matter where you are. You make a good choice and experience is worth while. You make a bad one and it's just a small step up from masturbating alone and even that is debatable. And certainly not worth the trip, money and the potential risk.
Anyway, just an experience from someone relatively new to this. I am sure most of you here know all this very well.
Member #4581
12-26-16, 19:57
You won't need ID to enter a club unless you could be mistaken for being under 18 but I believe in Germany it's a requirement that you carry some form of photo ID with you at all times to show the Police if required. I'm not certain if a photo drivers license is suitable for this. I have heard tells of Police raids (Razzia) on clubs where guys have been escorted back to their hotels to get suitable ID if they didn't have any with them. I do have a VERY vague recollection of a guy from the US (Tommy Seville maybe...) posting that he had used his driving license for just this purpose and it had worked, but I mean seriously vague.
Personally I always carry my passport with me but, as it's the only form of photo ID I have, I don't have much choice.I hate carrying my passport to the clubs, as I will be in serious trouble if I lose passport when traveling abroad. I usually lock up my passport safely in my hotel. I do have a passport card, which is also an official US official ID, and is enough to travel to Canada I think. Of course, I carry my drivers license with me as well. No idea if these are enough in case of a razzia, and I hope I will never need to find out, fingers crossed.
Kirk Lazarus
12-26-16, 22:28
With the orthodox calendar you can't expect full LU before at least mid of January but there will be always enough girls for your taste if you visit the big FKK.Thanks Expat. I'll likely schedule my trip for late January / early February.
Trans Atlantic
12-27-16, 05:06
Thanks for your response and suggestion. I always use ATMs at the airport like you suggested but there is a daily limit of $400 for me and I already got $1200 cash at hand. Any suggestion for a place (strategy) to exchange with less rip-off rate / margin?If you are US-based, just take PussyLicker's advice and get both Schwab and Capital One 360 and take euros out of ATM. Beware that some ATMs (EuroNet comes to mind) may ask if you want to be debited in USD instead of EUR. If using a card without fx transaction fee, always pick EUR.
Capital One 360 is a good idea. However, will you still be charged for ATM fee, assuming that cash withdrawal is done on any bank's ATM. If not, I might just carry it with me in the future instead of Bank of A, since it has a hefty 3% transaction fee.I have not came across a German ATM charging an ATM fee so the point is moot. I have came across ATMs in US and Canada charging ATM fees which would make Schwab superior than Capital One 360.
Yeah, but he has to be careful of all these scam ATM's like Euronet, Cardzone, Moneybox, Travelex etc. Worst rates and are sometimes located next to the big banks outlets. Or in fkk'sFx rate is generally determine by the network (VISA / MasterCard etc) but ATMs like Euronet will offer you an option between debiting in home currency (USD) which would be a bad rate or in EUR. Select EUR and you will get the rate offered by VISA or MasterCard. There's no reason to avoid Euronet if the concern is inferior fx rate as you will get the network rate by choosing to debit in EUR instead of USD. Industry term for ATM offering you to debit in EUR or home currency is known as Dynamic Currency Conversion (DCC).
Trans Atlantic
12-27-16, 05:16
It's really not that bad. You can't fly on the autobahn at 250 km. Just use common sense & drive with more caution. The small local roads are the most dangerous. Can be icy & you might experience some sliding around but as long as you are driving slow it's never been an issue. Driving 250+ on the autobahn during non icy conditions is quite a thrill & I can feel the blood rushing to my balls but have had some close calls with dumbs cutting in front last second.Exactly. It's a thrill to drive fast but you soon realize when you are hitting the vehicle electronically limited top speed, your ability to drive is not going to get you killed, it is the dumb fucks cutting in front you minute that will be your demise.
I have a question regarding the EU immigration.
I will stay in the UK for one month.
However, during that month, I want to fly to Germany and spend my weekends in FKK clubs.
By doing that, it means I will enter / leave the UK / Germany for 3-4 times within one month.
I think this is going to draw the attention of the immigration officers.
What to tell the immigration officers on both sides?
Just tell them "Because there is no proper FKK Sauna Clubs in the UK, I have to go to Germany for FKK Sauna clubs to relax"?You could tell them that.
Unless you are from a high-risk country, no one cares especially on the German side. Just say you are vacationing or love German food and be prepare to name some local attractions if they probe further (which has never happened to me).
First visited Mainhattan. . . . . club with average food.
Friday went to sharks. . . . . .great food.
Saturday went to Oase. . . . . .Food was decent. Oase really looks like fast food place.
Monday went to Palace. Food was below average. Locker room was dark and old. Overall very old and dated place but it did have clean rooms.
Anyway, just an experience from someone relatively new to this. I am sure most of you here know all this very well.Hmm I'm one of them here who don't know this very well, no on the contrary I have different experience for sure on the food evaluation. Best Frankfurt FKK clubs for food for many years are Palace and Mainhattan. Oase and Sharks are always far behind Palace and Mainhattan with food quality. And to call the Palace looker room dark and old and call Palace overall as old, sorry I have completely different experience. So far only about food and hardware.
Hmm I'm one of them here who don't know this very well, no on the contrary I have different experience for sure on the food evaluation. Best Frankfurt FKK clubs for food for many years are Palace and Mainhattan. Oase and Sharks are always far behind Palace and Mainhattan with food quality. And to call the Palace looker room dark and old and call Palace overall as old, sorry I have completely different experience. So far only about food and hardware.Interesting to hear this. Now you got me thinking. I get it that I didn't fully appreciate Palace since it just happened to be the last club to visit and by that time the novelty wore off. But the locker room was really dark. I wondered at the time. Lockers had a safe which was a nice feature but the entire lock mechanism came out of the door when I tried to use it. Also maybe Monday made the club really subdued and contributed to my entire impression.
Hessen Bub
12-28-16, 09:53
I never use the safe at Palace. They have the small lockers for your phone and valuables. Totally sufficient. Palace has the best rooms. Best showers. Good food. Nice sauna with daily "Aufguss" every hour. Good coffee and real glasses for drinks. Nice staff. Downside are "just" the girls with their "varying service levels and pricing" plus low turnover and many older girls with silicone and tattoos.
HB.
Member #4581
12-28-16, 14:28
I never use the safe at Palace. They have the small lockers for your phone and valuables. Totally sufficient. Palace has the best rooms. Best showers. Good food. Nice sauna with daily "Aufguss" every hour. Good coffee and real glasses for drinks. Nice staff. Downside are "just" the girls with their "varying service levels and pricing" plus low turnover and many older girls with silicone and tattoos.
HB.Interesting analysis. I wonder why the management of Palace would invest enough in their club to provide "best of class" facilities, but not care enough to make sure girls' quality is commensurately good enough. Are they not aware of their reputation or realize that they are potentially losing out on business due to the "poor quality girls" moniker they have been tagged with?
Is there a reason why good girls are averse to working at Palace? If you (not you personally, HB; more of a generic "you") were the management of Palace and were mandated to improve the quality of girls and service to be at least on par with Sharks and other Hessen clubs, what would you do?
I have always liked FKK especially Oase, for their decor, its much more cozy, Palace is small, but I rarely get upsells there for some reason. Sharks for me is so warehouse like and I don't quite like it. I have been to these places a few times, and I would not have much chance to visit Frankfurt again in near terms, how I wish I can get a job close to Germany, LOL, and not in this overpriced place called USA. Since I already made plans for Medellin in May, I don't think I have any holidays to go Germany, how I envy Europeans right now. This is my first trip to Medellin, so I hope the quality of girls in Medellin is on par or even prettier than the one in the FKK, hope they don't disappoint.
I can only visit Frankfurt again in the 11-14th of January 2018, and those dates, the lineup should improve. Righting?
Hessen Bub
12-29-16, 08:48
Interesting analysis. I wonder why the management of Palace would invest enough in their club to provide "best of class" facilities, but not care enough to make sure girls' quality is commensurately good enough. Are they not aware of their reputation or realize that they are potentially losing out on business due to the "poor quality girls" moniker they have been tagged with?They must be aware, they are also reading English or German boards. They don't seem to care or they do not think that it does have an effect on the number of clients visiting. If they do not see it in the revenue they are making, why change? Although I can hardly believe that, Palace was a good club years ago, quite busy all through the year, now it's busy during Messe with international clients.
HB.
My buddy monger really likes this one girl and repeated her many times and even took her out on "dates" a few times. She never asked for any extra and was always generous with free couch time. He thinks he can trust her. So, when she told him about her fathers' operation, he volunteered to help her out by sending a few thousand euros. He is happy about it but I think he is played. A semi-long con. I fear it will escalate. She invited him to visit Romania too.
Any similar story you can share to warn him that it's an old trick? How can he gracefully back out without further damage or possible blackmailing? Any advice?
Banana Boi
12-30-16, 11:32
She must have seen your friend coming a mile away.
Hessen Bub
12-30-16, 11:43
Any similar story you can share to warn him that it's an old trick? How can he gracefully back out without further damage or possible blackmailing? Any advice?Thousands. Just write if off and learn from it. Stop any contact. Done.
HB.
EnderW. This is a well established ploy. A clever girl knows how to play a long game.
I occasionally play a reverse game and appear vulnerable and soft for the girl: in 95% of cases the requests for money start surprisingly quickly. Tell your friend to test this for himself and he will have a queue of special girls who love him and have sick relatives and so on
The question for your friend is whether the money he is losing is well spent. After all, many men support their wives financially. HB is right in principle, but maybe it is worth it for your friend, provided he can ride a tiger.
These kind of stories are sometimes even true, although if one believes them all, then a big minority of the population of Romania seems to need an operation or chemotherapy every year
Backing out is easy: he just needs to tell her (and via the girl her "manager/agent/boyfriend) that he has lost his job and income.Unless he has given her access to his private life via facebook etc: unwise)
Me, I'd take up the invite to Romania if I were single :): I like life with a bit of bite!
Caution, caution, caution
Any similar story you can share to warn him that it's an old trick? How can he gracefully back out without further damage or possible blackmailing? Any advice?The sick-relative scam is the classic long-con. Happens in FKK as well as online dating sites. Just google.
https://romancescams.wordpress.com/
Typically they target men that are sweet, generous, innocent, and naive. They look for emotional vulnerability or someone that is desperately seeking "true love". Lonely, older men, recently divorced or recovering from an illness are common targets.
One extremely experienced, monger told me about a FKK girl that attempted to blackmail him. He was the last person I thought that would have fell for it, but it happens. He had spent thousands on her. This was a girl that was reputed for "good service". She didn't make the direct blackmail threat, suggesting it was not her idea, but that of her male accomplice. Other stories I've heard, are buying a house in Romania and starting a life together.
I suppose FKK offers some minimal deterrent, because the club maintains a copy of their passport on file. The potential score has to be big enough, because essentially the WG would disappear without a trace.
Hessen Bub
12-30-16, 13:11
HB is right in principle, but maybe it is worth it for your friend, provided he can ride a tiger.
From what I read he's not in the driver's seat and would be eaten by the tiger. So better do what O suggested: Tell her you got fired and are broke.
HB.
The sick-relative scam is the classic long-con. Happens in FKK as well as online dating sites. Just google.
https://romancescams.wordpress.com/Wow- people actually get killed. Now I picture him kept against his will in Romania and forced to empty his bank account then killed.
Optimism- I don't think he is a tiger rider. He will die from a first bite, a nibble.
BB- yeah, I told him that. He is in denial and thinks he can read people. He thinks he is a hero not a victim.
HB. That's what I have been telling him. I will force him to look at this forum. He has refused so far somehow thinking he is not a monger like me. Yeah, he is smart but naive.
The girl in question is reputed here to be GFE and sweet. While he thinks she really is personally into him. That makes her a very skilled GFE provider and makes him a total dork. She did send him a pic of her Romanian ID card when he wired her money and he thinks that is a sign of real trust. Also he told me she refused his last offer to help her and told me that's an evidence that he is not scammed. To me that seems like a clever long con player.
I will convince him to stay away from Romania. I don't want to read about him in a news article.
Citizen Kane
12-30-16, 13:39
I occasionally play a reverse game and appear vulnerable and soft for the girl: in 95% of cases the requests for money start surprisingly quickly. That's not the reverse game Optimist; that's the originally game speeded up. (but I understand what you're saying; trying to induce a bite).
The reverse game would be, "My dad needs an operation. How about a freebie?"
Member #4581
12-30-16, 14:11
Personally speaking, I would be more skeptical about visiting Romania. As in most third world countries, law and order is functional only on paper, and I heard that a foreigner that doesn't speak the local tongue could be easily cornered and robbed. Perhaps I am wrong, but I would not feel secure.
Speaking of blackmailing, British media was full of stories about this multimillionaire who got convicted of killing his escort GF. Apparently he was paying 10 grand a week / month, but got jealous when he tapped her phone and heard her telling a friend that she planned to leave to leave him and also blackmail him for a large sum. What a sad story, I heard he was worth 20 mil. Now, locked up for life. He could have bought Sharks and Oase for that amount and have his own personal harem every night, if only he did not obsess about one single hooker.
That's not the reverse game Optimist; that's the originally game speeded up. (but I understand what you're saying; trying to induce a bite).
The reverse game would be, "My dad needs an operation. How about a freebie?"The real reverse game would be "hey babe, my father needs a surgery and I need to send him money. Can you wire me some money? I will pay you back with long rooms next time I see you."
Personally speaking, I would be more skeptical about visiting Romania. As in most third world countries, law and order is functional only on paper, and I heard that a foreigner that doesn't speak the local tongue could be easily cornered and robbed. Perhaps I am wrong, but I would not feel secure.Hmm Romania third world country? Romania is part of the European Community. Ofc there is a high percentage of corruption in Romania but some corruption you find in every country even in Germany. As a tourist with some caution you shouldn't get problems. No reason to avoid Romania, only for P6 I wouldn't recommend Romania.
Member #4581
12-30-16, 17:53
True. As I said, mine is not first hand knowledge. But the wiki travel page on Bucharest has multiple paragraphs related to safety and security, and is worth a read. Even taking a cab from the airport to the city center doesn't seem to be fully safe.
Didn't imply any insult to our Romanian friends and club girls with my third world adjective, but I was using it in a economic rather than political sense. Romania is listed around 70 in terms of national per capita income, not far from Mexico, Surinam, etc.
Of course, third world cities could be perfectly safe, and as Siri says many times, US inner cities are a lot more scary than many third world places on the basis of violent crime, but I based my comment on safety on wiki travel referred above. Again, I have zero first hand knowledge however.
En. M. wikipedia. Org / wiki / List_of_countries_by_GDP_ (nominal) _per_capita.
CK and Ender, yes, I guess what I do is not the reverse game, but I meant I reverse the roles of which of the two players is leading the manipulation.
I can't believe the rich guy who took it so seriously. I would have congratulated the girl on a game well played.
Ender, your friend really sounds like he needs to read the forum. Even if the girl loves him she probably needs a lot of money to secure her future and that of her extended family, so he needs to expect to be a longterm financial supporter unless he cuts his losses, or he will be destroyed emotionally and financially, as he is not a tiger rider
I don't deny the girl may genuinely like him, but that only makes it easier for her to get money from him.
Craiova: agreed, no need to avoid Romania. I feel safer there than in Paris (for example). I've been wandering in all sorts of areas in romanian towns and always met kindness
Hessen Bub
12-30-16, 18:47
The girl in question is reputed here to be GFE and sweet. Who's the girl? You can pm me if you like.
HB.
EnderW. HB has a good suggestion. Certain girls who are known to be sweet and GFE are also known to be good at getting "gifts". The sweeter the girl the more chance she has to be successful.
Ender. The romanian girls have almost a mythology about making the big catch. Several girls have told me which girl in which club hit the big time, even if they never met the girls concerned. They themselves were also looking to get a man to fall in love and give them lots of money: they quite honestly tell me so. Your friend needs to know this or he will be skinned alive.
I don't criticise the girls for this.
My buddy monger really likes this one girl and repeated her many times and even took her out on "dates" a few times. She never asked for any extra and was always generous with free couch time. He thinks he can trust her. So, when she told him about her fathers' operation, he volunteered to help her out by sending a few thousand euros. He is happy about it but I think he is played. A semi-long con. I fear it will escalate. She invited him to visit Romania too.
Any similar story you can share to warn him that it's an old trick? How can he gracefully back out without further damage or possible blackmailing? Any advice?I'll be honest, I've been played also. The details of these stories are very familiar. Like previous posters have said, they are all the same stories. You can substitute sick parents, with childcare, paying for school, just needing money to go home for the holidays. Whatever. They throw tons of stories out there.
Thank God I didn't lose several thousands or tens of thousands of dollars / Euro. The amount of money lost was justified as we had a six month fling with no major expensive gifts bought and no prior money given. Heck she even bought me gifts! The girl even met my family and we spent weeks together at a time where I took her to and from work with days off spent exploring the town. I only paid for sex if I was in the club. At my house and hotels, no money was exchanged. Nightly phone calls, Facetime, drunken calls when we were apart. It was a real relationship; but in the end, even regular relationships fail more often than not. But with many WGs, if they see the relationship coming to an end, the thirst for money will win out and they may try to extract money so they have something to show for the relationship. Same result: girl hustles guy for money.
I hope your friend realizes that even if she truly likes him, chances are that it will still end poorly. From abusive parents / boyfriends, parents / boyfriends who sold them, to pimps, scam artists, and even pure killers, these girls are exposed to more evil underbellies than you will ever see so their ability to be heartless will show itself in the end.
For me, the loss of money was not what bothered me, it really wasn't much money lost. When something like that happens, it hurts your pride. For your friend, it sounds like it will also hurt his heart and maybe his physical health.
If you or he PMs me, I'd be more than happy to share my story. He may not get his money back but he can get even if this turns out poorly.
I will convince him to stay away from Romania. I don't want to read about him in a news article.Definitely its a big risk to go to Romania. Why your friend want to go there?
BadinSweet
12-30-16, 23:07
Who's the girl? You can pm me if you like.
HB.EnderW, I am also curious too. Please PM. It's more for me to realize and protect myself. If I know this person well, and if she can do what you said, I will be more guarded with other girls. She could be honest and really like your friend. We all have fallen for someone and sometimes emotion takes over logic.
EnderW, I am also curious too. Please PM. It's more for me to realize and protect myself. If I know this person well, and if she can do what you said, I will be more guarded with other girls. She could be honest and really like your friend. We all have fallen for someone and sometimes emotion takes over logic.HB. My earlier response crossed your post. Since I will forcibly have him look at this thread, I need to go on record and declare that I have not and will not compromise my buddy's or his girl's identity here.
Now, from what you guys all have said, and I really appreciate all the insights from veteran hobbyists, the most valuable lesson I took away is that even the sweetest WG can do this to you and you won't even see it coming because it's possible that she is not playing a mean game but she is just living her life the only way she knows how and she could be really genuine with the same bad ending to a story regardless. This realization makes me more guarded in the future and think first about my protection while at the clubs. It's a sad but necessary realization (a boner killer for a GFE type for me in the future) that my buddy should have had before he got blinded with his passion for this girl. So HB, regardless of whether you know this girl or not, it is likely that you need to protect yourself with any of your girls anyway?
I am a bit jealous of my buddy to have any girl (WG or not) makes him feel the way he is feeling even knowing it could possibly be a well run con. If a price of entry is not too dear, I want to see how it's like. And hence another reason he is not listening to me. He thinks I am just jealous of him.
Hessen Bub
12-31-16, 00:38
Definitely its a big risk to go to Romania. Why your friend want to go there?What's the big risk? Any background on that?
HB.
I'll be honest, I've been played also.
Thank God I didn't lose several thousands or tens of thousands of dollars / Euro. The amount of money lost was justified as we had a six month fling with no major expensive gifts bought and no prior money given. Heck she even bought me gifts! The girl even met my family and we spent weeks together at a time where I took her to and from work with days off spent exploring the town. I only paid for sex if I was in the club. At my house and hotels, no money was exchanged. Nightly phone calls, Facetime, drunken calls when we were apart. It was a real relationship; but in the end, even regular relationships fail more often than not. But with many WGs, if they see the relationship coming to an end, the thirst for money will win out and they may try to extract money so they have something to show for the relationship. Same result: girl hustles guy for money.
Sounds like a normal relationship rather than being "played" as such. Plenty of people get into situations where they need money. Anyway you got a lot of freebies. Girls are looking for someone who cares.
You better look for only rich girlfriends in the future.
I once had a very similar relationship with an FKK girl. No money request ever came. Quite the opposite. She wanted to trust me to carry a large amount of her cash to another country, so her official BF (poor relationship) would not know about it, but I thought the plan was too risky. I would have been O.K. with it going via my Bank Account, rather than carrying big cash. The relationship ended, and she retired from FKK. We remain good friends and she suggested we might meet next month.
My buddy monger really likes this one girl and repeated her many times and even took her out on "dates" a few times. She never asked for any extra and was always generous with free couch time. He thinks he can trust her. So, when she told him about her fathers' operation, he volunteered to help her out by sending a few thousand euros. He is happy about it but I think he is played. A semi-long con. I fear it will escalate. She invited him to visit Romania too.
Any similar story you can share to warn him that it's an old trick? How can he gracefully back out without further damage or possible blackmailing? Any advice?So many times said: Why don't you come to visit me in Romania? It s a beautiful country, showing me photos. I remember same road in Romania than legendary Prato Stelvio Dolomiti. Also said: You can come to ski in Romania, maybe I could find more snow really lacking in Western Europe. I would like You teach me to ski, because I m afraid to try on my own, but I would like to try with You, meaning I would like You pay me holidays and maybe more, this from very regular girls who never asked the faintest tip or extra, who just took money I gave, sometimes 100 for 1 h10 or 1 h15.
I always answer I'm sure Romania is a beautiful country for them because it s their country and they have to be proud to be beautiful Romanian women, but I have my own spots to enjoy, even becoming very dangerous with now more rocks than snow.
Who didn't hear about father or mother or little brother being sick, or older brother in jail? Some even took bank credit to help to buy flat or house and as soon they sent money, girl changed phone number and other club girls said to the guy: You did believe her? You were so crazy in love for her to believe such lies. On our fifth or sixth weekly room, a girl asked me if I could give her 30 000 € because her brother was sick and she made me a promise if I did, when I never asked her for more than sex in room. It was our last room even I saw her again many times in same club for about 2 years, saying to me: Mon. Chéri, for months. A real model asked me if I could send 1400 € when she was in Romania, to go to a doctor in Italy. Please baby, I love You. I answered: I really wish you to be fine, can't you find a good doctor in Bucharest? Because she said to live in Bucharest city. Answer: I thought you loved me. Last whatsapp.
In this business, we can find very attractive look girls, very sweet GF behavior, some are even passionate for sex, of course sometimes we can feel a little spark, I like this illusion, but what to expect from a girl who is able to go with every guy for money? Only money business. Even the same for my Isabella who refused to go with so many guys at Sharks or World, even my ego is happy she says: because I like you, your face, I can t go with some guys, I don't want to kiss them, I don t like they touch me, but I guess she prefers my money even she often kisses my pretty face.
Just look at your brothel prostitute GF going with the next one after You, to suck him, is it how we think about a girlfriend?
Hmm Romania third world country? Romania is part of the European Community. Ofc there is a high percentage of corruption in Romania but some corruption you find in every country even in Germany. As a tourist with some caution you shouldn't get problems. No reason to avoid Romania, only for P6 I wouldn't recommend Romania.What is the definition of a third-world country? Yes, Romania is part of the EU, but that doesn't mean that it has the same standards as Belgium or Germany. (If that were the case, few Romanian women would work at FKKs in Germany, or many Germany women would work at FKKs in Romania.) It is one of the poorest, if not the poorest, country in the EU. Corruption is widespread, and at all levels. It is definitely not safe. It's probably comparable to Mexico (except the really dangerous drug-lord places in Mexico, which are more dangerous).
Hessen Bub
12-31-16, 13:15
http://romania.usembassy.gov/acs/crime.html
http://romania.usembassy.gov/acs/traffic.html
https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/DE/Laenderinformationen/00-SiHi/RumaenienSicherheit.html
Doesn't sound too bad. I know quite a few guys who visited Romania (bigger cities, rural areas on a bike tour) and none of them had any issues.
HB.
I'll be honest, I've been played also. The details of these stories are very familiar. Like previous posters have said, they are all the same stories. You can substitute sick parents, with childcare, paying for school, just needing money to go home for the holidays. Whatever. They throw tons of stories out there.
Thank God I didn't lose several thousands or tens of thousands of dollars / Euro.I don't know how common they are. Yes, there are online-dating scams, and FKK-club scams. But there have always been similar scams, even before the internet. In some countries, most couples now meet via the internet, so it is logical that scammers are there as well.
I've heard of punters who have met the love of their life in a brothel, and lived happily ever after. So it does happen.
Just because money is involved doesn't mean that there is dishonesty involved. The girls are poorer than you, at least in most cases, which is why you are paying and they are working. So even in a genuine romance, she might not be able to pay her own travel etc.
I was very probably scammed once, but it was less than 100 Euros, allegedly for a visa application. I had suspected this, but decided to give it a chance. When the girl soon after sent email much less frequently and said that she was ill, then I broke off contact. Maybe it was true, but I doubt it. Why didn't she play me for more? Probably easy to get EUR 100 each off of 100 men, than 10,000 off of one. Also, no-one is going to take action if EUR 100 were lost, but might if EUR 10,000 were lost. Anyone who can pay that kind of money can afford to hire a hit man.
On the other hand, I've been happily married (figure like Kim Kardashian, only more so; swallows; 10 years younger than I; intellectually my equal) for almost 20 years to an Eastern European woman. At the beginning, I did send her money, but she really did buy a plane ticket and visit me.
If you meet a girl in a brothel, and are willing and able to spend a lot of money on her, if she is really interested in you she would stop working and take up with you. Of course, you might not want that. However, you can call her bluff. Instead of giving her money, suggest a holiday together.
It's probably comparable to Mexico (except the really dangerous drug-lord places in Mexico, which are more dangerous).What's with the Romania bashing? A beautiful country with friendly people, and as with Germany most visits there are trouble free according to the FCO.
I know of one case in a Swiss club where a local punter lost his head over a girl, one who'd enjoyed a good reputation as a service provider in German FKKs for several years. He got himself tattooed with her names. She retired and he provided a home 'loan'.
Several months later he was out of pocket to the tune of 6 figures and stuck with a lof of unwanted ink.
Is lying to you! They have universal medical care funded by their government. Look it up, guys. They can go to any hospital and take care any medical issues including surgeries.
Sounds like a normal relationship rather than being "played" as such. Plenty of people get into situations where they need money. Anyway you got a lot of freebies. Girls are looking for someone who cares.The detail that I didn't mention was that there was a boy with a vague relationship in Romania. While yes, the relationship may have been "real" in Germany, it was not her "reality" when she went back home to Romania. Many of these girls have situations that they will not tell you about which could cause them to do morally questionable things. In my case, there was the boy, a baby at home, and an estranged mother. She later claimed to be pregnant with my baby even though the timing of the period / menstruation did not fit the story. In the end, the situation at home manifested itself and the many lies began to unravel.
So for Ender and his friend, I emphasize that even a working girl, l who may authentically like you, may have situations at home that put them in bad spots. Combine that with the fact that they see people do so many questionable things on a daily basis, that undoubtedly influences their decision making. If you fall into the trap of thinking that these girls will make decisions like you or I, or even a "normal" girl, you will be making decisions based on incorrect assumptions.
Is lying to you! They have universal medical care funded by their government. Look it up, guys. They can go to any hospital and take care any medical issues including surgeries.Wiki: "The concept of universal healthcare has been implemented in name only in Greater Romania. However, the patients were still required to pay some medical costs, and in some cases, the fees were too high. In consequence, health care was virtually only available to the middle class and upwards. The working class were in the position of having to use free clinics or hospitals run by charities."
"Another issue is the high level of out-of-pocket spending. Due to the bribing that is "traditionally" practiced ever since the communist era, a sizable amount of patients have reported that they had to bribe the doctors and nurses in order to receive good treatment."
Most club girls are from poor families and probably need extra cash to get good health care? It's a sad situation and this does not make all these girls liars?
Hessen Bub
12-31-16, 16:45
Is lying to you! They have universal medical care funded by their government. Look it up, guys. They can go to any hospital and take care any medical issues including surgeries.Yeah sure. Officially maybe. Reality is different.
Still be careful with Romanian (or Thai or Hungarian etc.) WG's asking for big amounts of money for whatever emergency.
HB.
Every medical student in RO has their sight set on western Europe as soon as they graduate. RO doctors take gifts. It is considered acceptable, so everybody bribes unless they want to stay on perpetual wait list:
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/6/romania-considers-legalized-bribery-to-keep-doctor/
PussyLiccker
12-31-16, 18:15
The article states Ro doctors make less than avg salary? That would be a reason to look for higher pastures, and with decrease in healthcare professionals with such a salarly no wonder bribery goes on especially something of a necessity as healthcare.
I guess bribery is legalized as the government cannot fund them enough. But still, professionals will be seeking the better pay given there is such a high disparity in compensation between countries(another EU outcome situation).
The article states German accepting Ro doctors due to demand and in the EU, workers will freely move to where the pay meets their expectations.
Last time I heard Greece was in similar predicament due to low government funds. What happens when gov funds are dry and not privatised.
Sounds like a normal relationship rather than being "played" as such. Plenty of people get into situations where they need money. Anyway you got a lot of freebies. Girls are looking for someone who cares.
You better look for only rich girlfriends in the future.I don't think this is a question of rich girl / poor girl. I will add that normal relationships, even with poor girls, they generally don't steal money or ask for money under false pretenses. I make it a point to state this in order to differentiate the mentality of a normal girl who is poor with a working girl. The working girl always has her mind on money while a normal girl may not. With the latter, you just have to worry about normal crazy. With working girls, you should literally sleep with one eye open. Some are not above taking your credit card and sending money to someone via Western Union.
If it happened to me after hundreds of hours spent outside the club without payment. I don't think anyone should feel safe for at least as long as the working girl remains a working girl.
Is lying to you! They have universal medical care funded by their government. Look it up, guys. They can go to any hospital and take care any medical issues including surgeries.The treatments which are available are very limited. Not all Romanians can get decent medical coverage. And this is without factoring in the bribes required by doctors.
Unfortunately the Romanian electorate has recently given a landslide victory to the pro corruption party, in return for electoral bribes. Don't expect the girls to be shining examples of pure morality when their country is not.
I emphasize that even a working girl, who may authentically like you, may have situations at home that put them in bad spots. Combine that with the fact that they see people do so many questionable things on a daily basis, that undoubtedly influences their decision making. If you fall into the trap of thinking that these girls will make decisions like you or I, or even a "normal" girl, you will be making decisions based on incorrect assumptions.
Well said.
Well said.
BTW. I have given money more than once but I assumed in each case from the beginning that they were scams and figured the small amounts of money were fair payment for the telephone and Skype calls, photos, and proferred affection.I believe Optimist's approach is the healthiest way to deal with the WGs. Anything I give them is a charity with absolutely no expectation for a return. No romance, no relationship, nothing. Not even a tax deduction. The money given is money lost. Then I would never feel scammed. My buddy is expecting a trusting relationship or a lasting friendship if not a serious romance. Shame on him if he gets nothing in return for a few thousand euros he gave the girl and feel scammed. As long as he does not get drugged and a kidney taken out, he should be content with nothing from her but a smile.
Romania is fine to visit. It's not Darien Gap. Don't walk around areas like Ferentari at night, don't flash with a lot of money and don't do drugs. So what I am saying is use common sense. Lovely country with lovely girls.
UltraHappy
12-31-16, 22:44
I've personally visited quite a number of cities in Romania, all positive experiences. I found everyone to be quite friendly. Food is cheap there, even at nice restaurants. I was surprised at how low my food bills were, even when ordering lots of food.
After flying into Bucharest, I recommend driving out to Constanta, by the Black Sea. The neighboring resort town, Mamaia, is worth a visit if beach vacations are your thing. Another good option I would recommend is a visit to the mountains, especially in the winter. For example, from Bucharest, it is an easy drive to Brasov, where you can visit Dracula's castle (that is, the Bran castle, among other castles). Also good for snow skiing or snowboarding if that is your thing. The saunas there are also nice (at least the ones outside the city; the one in the center of the city can be full of kids, which can be annoying). And no, I am not talking about sauna clubs like in NRW, just regular saunas with nice swimming pools and regular massage (sorry, not the naughty kind). Anyways, lots to see and do there. In Bucharest, I recommend visiting the old town, especially in the evening -- so many nicely dressed young ladies bustling about!
Getting around Romania is easy. I would recommend renting a car for convenience, although just be aware that renting a car is unusually expensive in Romania (when factoring in the car rental insurance that all guidebooks recommend taking when in Romania for various reasons).
Of course, visiting Romania is even nicer if you take one of your little Romanian sweethearts with you as a local guide, highly recommended!
So for Ender and his friend, I emphasize that even a working girl, l who may authentically like you, may have situations at home that put them in bad spots. Combine that with the fact that they see people do so many questionable things on a daily basis, that undoubtedly influences their decision making. If you fall into the trap of thinking that these girls will make decisions like you or I, or even a "normal" girl, you will be making decisions based on incorrect assumptions.Yeah, you are right. We make assumptions based on our own biases, where and how we were raised etc, and what normal to us probably does not apply to these girls more often than not. I don't even get "normal girls" so there is no danger there even if I think WGs are normal girls. On the other hand, my buddy believes in a universal language of love. A hopelessly romantic moron.
From abusive parents / boyfriends, parents / boyfriends who sold them, to pimps, scam artists, and even pure killers, these girls are exposed to more evil underbellies than you will ever see so their ability to be heartless will show itself in the end. Well put. I struggle to remind myself of this. It is the reality that I'm trying to get away from when I'm in the fantasy of the club.
Well put. I struggle to remind myself of this. It is the reality that I'm trying to get away from when I'm in the fantasy of the club.Not to get too off-topic (apologies in advance), but I'm reminded of this woman from the states. Pretty, good background, CEO father, left her Seeking Arrangement client, a father of 5, to die of a heroin overdose that she injected. Yeah, it's a dangerous world out there.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3088278/Prostitute-pleads-guilty-overdose-death-Google-exec.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2689370/Hell-Love-Inside-toxic-world-CEO-daughter-turned-call-girl-killer-Alix-Tichelman.html
The amount of money lost was justified as we had a six month fling with no major expensive gifts bought and no prior money given. Heck she even bought me gifts!.Sounds like what you had was at least for a temporary time "real", but just responding here as a warning to others. You mention the duration of the relationship ("six months") and the fact that she gave you gifts. Neither of these two things can definitively prove that a WG did not have intentions to scam from the very start.
"The fraudsters have shown that they are willing to develop the relationship over an extended period of time. This increases the trust level between the victim and the fraudster which results in the potential victim usually losing more money. ".
"The fraudster will gain the trust of the victim through displays of affection. In some cases will send gifts, flowers and tokens to prove that their feelings are genuine. ".
http://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/fraud-escroquerie/romance-rencontre-eng.htm
I am a bit jealous of my buddy to have any girl (WG or not) makes him feel the way he is feeling even knowing it could possibly be a well run con. If a price of entry is not too dear, I want to see how it's like. And hence another reason he is not listening to me. He thinks I am just jealous of him.Life is about risks. If you truly think there is something there between you and a WG, then you should pursue it. There is an off-chance that the WG could be the one that ultimately retires you from your mongering career. Just know when to cut your losses.
Doesn't surprise me that your friend would not listen. Emotions always cloud judgement. All scammers (and good salesman) know this. They want the victim to be completely emotionally invested (thereby disengaging the logical part of the brain). Scams ultimately operate on the victim's greed or lust. If the victim desperately wants to believe something, then they will believe it and ignore all red flags. Your friend's greed here is that he wants more than just the monger-WG relationship.
Life is about risks. If you truly think there is something there between you and a WG, then you should pursue it. There is an off-chance that the WG could be the one that ultimately retires you from your mongering career. Just know when to cut your losses.
Doesn't surprise me that your friend would not listen. Emotions always cloud judgement. All scammers (and good salesman) know this. They want the victim to be completely emotionally invested (thereby disengaging the logical part of the brain). Scams ultimately operate on the victim's greed or lust. If the victim desperately wants to believe something, then they will believe it and ignore all red flags. Your friend's greed here is that he wants more than just the monger-WG relationship.Yeah, I think it comes down to me thinking this is a wrong place to look for real love and he believes finding a true love in a place like this makes it more special- a some kind of destiny. I believe he is destined to be screwed in more ways than he bargained for but he thinks that's the risk he is willing to take for something "precious".
Sounds like what you had was at least for a temporary time "real", but just responding here as a warning to others. You mention the duration of the relationship ("six months") and the fact that she gave you gifts. Neither of these two things can definitively prove that a WG did not have intentions to scam from the very start.
"The fraudsters have shown that they are willing to develop the relationship over an extended period of time. This increases the trust level between the victim and the fraudster which results in the potential victim usually losing more money. ".
"The fraudster will gain the trust of the victim through displays of affection. In some cases will send gifts, flowers and tokens to prove that their feelings are genuine. ".
http://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/fraud-escroquerie/romance-rencontre-eng.htmWell, when my wife of 20+ years, then girlfriend, got pregnant when we were dating, I did not think I was scammed but if you look at it with a club context, you can say that I got scammed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars with a well planned long con that is still ongoing with increasingly diminishing return for me. Am I not a victim of a crime only because it happened in a socially accepted context of the "real" world?
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