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Horny Harry
03-19-17, 10:57
If the most of you stay in Amsterdam, they don't know what they miss. RLD in Amsterdam is really a tourist ripp off, but most first timers (and people from countries where this is illegal) love it, because they see tits and pussy for free and can even have (lousy) sex for 50 Euro.
All girls in the Amsterdam RLD are dressed in bikini's, micro dresses or lingerie. None of them sit naked in front of a window, same goes for Hamburg or any other European RLD.
So there are no true FKK (nudity) in the NRW area that is worth visiting? And if we go to NRW like GT or Yin Yang. Will it be a huge difference in the ladies if we go on a Monday? Thanks for the all the help, I will be making this trek by myself if nobody from the group wants to leave the Dam.
If we don't rent a vehicle is GT or Yin Yang convenient to travel to by train / taxi?
Thanks again, and Ill be sure to leave some reports on the Amsterdam and Germany sides of the trip. I know Germany will be worth the visit, so like I said. I'll be going by myself worst case scenario.You'll need to decide if its worth the money traveling vs staying in Amsterdam and paying the higher rates for better service. I would avoid Monday and Tuesday if possible, those are two of the worst days to visit. Wednesday thru Sunday will have better lineups, great time to visit FKK Sharks in Darmstadt. I wouldn't pick GT or YY as my first club visit nor a small club in Dusseldorf, go for one of the larger clubs with the best lineup in Sharks or Oase. If your going solo I'd just buy a roundtrip plane ticket from AMS to FRA vs the 5 hour ice train. If you talk the other guys into driving I'd still recommend driving down to Frankfurt.
It's possible that youngsters are seeing girls who work in non-FKK brothels or as escorts like those in Kaufmich.Would you (or anyone experienced) mind to explain more about Kaufmich and how it works? Is it kind of like an escort website? Is it legit? Do you have to speak / write German to contact any of of them? What about other regutable escort sites that you would recommend? Of course, I can easily google the escort websites. What I mean to ask is if you or anyone have personal experience by actually using those escort and Kaufmich websites regularly.
Hessen Bub
03-19-17, 18:58
Kaufmich is legit. Same thing like ladies. De with a slightly less professional touch to it. But many girls are found on both platforms. Just register for free and browse the ads.
Hb.
I just figured out I'm landing in Frankfurt for my very 1st adventure to the FKK's on May Day, May 1, a national holiday in Germany. Any of you guys know if holidays affect the big 5 clubs in Frankfurt. Will they be open, business as usual, or open with limited girls & hours, or closed?
I just figured out I'm landing in Frankfurt for my very 1st adventure to the FKK's on May Day, May 1, a national holiday in Germany. Any of you guys know if holidays affect the big 5 clubs in Frankfurt. Will they be open, business as usual, or open with limited girls & hours, or closed?All clubs are open on that day, line up usually quite good bc girls know more guys on this day in club.
Hey fellas,
Any recommendations on which Frankfurt FKK will have the best line up during the week of Orthodox Easter (April 16)? I'll be in town April 12 to 20, and I know my options will be limited due to all the Romanians flying home for the holiday weekend. Just wondering which club would be my best option.
Thanks in advance.
FunExplorer
03-23-17, 06:41
Hey fellas,
Any recommendations on which Frankfurt FKK will have the best line up during the week of Orthodox Easter (April 16)? I'll be in town April 12 to 20, and I know my options will be limited due to all the Romanians flying home for the holiday weekend. Just wondering which club would be my best option.
Thanks in advance.It can never be said with precision as to which club will have best line up. Take for instance my own visit a couple of weeks back. I found line up ordinary in Oase, Palace. And not extraordinary even in Sharks. So, it is impossible to predict but to go ahead with your selection with hope! I would still consider Sharks as best as it usually has a wider selection than other clubs, though Oase too has lots of choices many times.
Adding to Fun Explorer's tips, if it helps, I may stop off in Frankfurt for a day and am agonising over which club to pick. If so, will be a difficult choice to choose between my three favorite clubs Oase, Sharks and Palace. Did an exercise called "Honeyball" to help me decide. Ever since I added Palace to my list of clubs I visit in Sep 15, I've made 6 trips to each club. Rating each girl I've had on looks and services (and there are around 20 at each club so a fair sample) my average rating out of 10 for looks is Palace 8. 28, Oase 7. 70 and Sharks 7. 50. In terms of service, the differences are marginal but its Sharks 6. 92, Palace 6. 84 and Oase 6. 80 so Palace seems the favorite for me these days though of course it has a bad rep on this board.
ExpatLover
03-24-17, 15:28
Adding to Fun Explorer's tips, if it helps, I may stop off in Frankfurt for a day and am agonising over which club to pick. If so, will be a difficult choice to choose between my three favorite clubs Oase, Sharks and Palace. Did an exercise called "Honeyball" to help me decide. Ever since I added Palace to my list of clubs I visit in Sep 15, I've made 6 trips to each club. Rating each girl I've had on looks and services (and there are around 20 at each club so a fair sample) my average rating out of 10 for looks is Palace 8. 28, Oase 7. 70 and Sharks 7. 50. In terms of service, the differences are marginal but its Sharks 6. 92, Palace 6. 84 and Oase 6. 80 so Palace seems the favorite for me these days though of course it has a bad rep on this board.Is it useful to make this kind of boring comparisons, specially when the conclusion is to go to Palace which is for me at least a really so so place. I advice you just to go to one club to stay long and to enjoy the beautiful girls, that is all.
FunExplorer
03-25-17, 05:04
Is it useful to make this kind of boring comparisons, specially when the conclusion is to go to Palace which is for me at least a really so so place. I advice you just to go to one club to stay long and to enjoy the beautiful girls, that is all.I agree with you. Palace is a nice place to be in with excellent ambience and service. But the negative thing about that is high up selling by girls. Recently one girl told me she is not a Euro 50 girl and she would go to room only if it is Euro 100 upwards. As it turned out, that girl was free as long as I was there but such attitude is irking. Besides, as I wrote in my last report there, the lineup too was ordinary and did not make up for other things. Of course, situation varies and is dynamic, but I am commenting about my recent experience.
Probably not so what are the odds? 80:20, 75:25? And if one is not getting good service, is it OK to break of the engagement and pay 50 for 30 minutes and simply leave?
Also, if the odds are even worse, wouldn't Zurich make a better destination where good service is the norm in clubs like Globe and it's sister clubs?
Hey fellas,
Any recommendations on which Frankfurt FKK will have the best line up during the week of Orthodox Easter (April 16)? I'll be in town April 12 to 20, and I know my options will be limited due to all the Romanians flying home for the holiday weekend. Just wondering which club would be my best option.
Thanks in advance.As others have said, it is difficult to say which club will have the best line up, on any given day. But I only visit FKK-land once a year, and last year I visited the Hessen area clubs the week before and over the Easter period. In talking to the ladies, few planned on returning home for the short holiday. In the end, I had no difficulty finding enough, IMHO, good or better ladies to play with at most of the clubs.
I'm returning this year the same time as you. Easter is not a concern for me. Of more concern are the reports of falling service levels! My visits may be limited, but I know what I want.
Myr.
I'm seeing talk about London's business moving to Frankfurt. I like how quiet Frankfurt is -- if it goes the way of London, that will be a real shame.
I know some of the folks I've met in this hobby work in finance. What are your thoughts?
https://www.ft.com/content/fc39820c-05a2-11e7-ace0-1ce02ef0def9
FunExplorer
03-27-17, 05:12
Probably not so what are the odds? 80:20, 75:25? And if one is not getting good service, is it OK to break of the engagement and pay 50 for 30 minutes and simply leave?
Also, if the odds are even worse, wouldn't Zurich make a better destination where good service is the norm in clubs like Globe and it's sister clubs?To reduce such the probability of odds, there should be some chemistry between you and girl. May be spending some time in the bar or couch before taking the girl to the room.
Generally speaking most girls render good service if it is Euro 100 but one can never guarantee. Also it has to be specifically agreed with the girl what you want as 'good service' like DFK, anal etc. Because the expectations vary so vastly, it is difficult to generalise. It would normally mean suck and fuck with of course DFK and CIM. But there are exceptions. Some girls ask extra for CIM too.
It would be better always to be explicit about your expectations.
If you try to make a lesser payment than agreed, the girl will pick up argument with you and will take the matter to reception.
Though I have not experienced it myself, I have see others complaining and found that in general they support the girl and try to console the customer!
I'm seeing talk about London's business moving to Frankfurt. I like how quiet Frankfurt is -- if it goes the way of London, that will be a real shame.
I know some of the folks I've met in this hobby work in finance. What are your thoughts?
https://www.ft.com/content/fc39820c-05a2-11e7-ace0-1ce02ef0def9It won't matter too much, only a small number will be visiting the FKK's. The big problem is what changes in July when the new laws come into effect.
Citizen Kane
03-27-17, 17:04
It won't matter too much, only a small number will be visiting the FKK's. The big problem is what changes in July when the new laws come into effect.Probably better to invest in shares in London condoms.
Citizen Kane
03-27-17, 17:19
I'm seeing talk about London's business moving to Frankfurt. I like how quiet Frankfurt is -- if it goes the way of London, that will be a real shame.
I know some of the folks I've met in this hobby work in finance. What are your thoughts?
https://www.ft.com/content/fc39820c-05a2-11e7-ace0-1ce02ef0def9It's in the FT so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/the-ft-has-become-the-daily-mail-of-the-europhile-elite/
ExpatLover
03-27-17, 19:12
As others have said, it is difficult to say which club will have the best line up, on any given day. But I only visit FKK-land once a year, and last year I visited the Hessen area clubs the week before and over the Easter period. In talking to the ladies, few planned on returning home for the short holiday. In the end, I had no difficulty finding enough, IMHO, good or better ladies to play with at most of the clubs.
I'm returning this year the same time as you. Easter is not a concern for me. Of more concern are the reports of falling service levels! My visits may be limited, but I know what I want.
Myr.Service level is not going down, just be ready to spend a little bit more should not be big issue with the parity euro to USD.
Solo Traveler
03-27-17, 19:48
Probably not so what are the odds? 80:20, 75:25? And if one is not getting good service, is it OK to break of the engagement and pay 50 for 30 minutes and simply leave?
Also, if the odds are even worse, wouldn't Zurich make a better destination where good service is the norm in clubs like Globe and it's sister clubs?"Is it certain that one will get good service for 100 E?
For me, the answer to this question is a clear no.
Will the Big Mac burger in McDonald's taste differently if you order more than one of them at the same time?
No. The second, third, fourth, etc will always taste the same as the first one.
So, by the same token, if a working woman is not able to make you satisfied within "the first 30 minutes" (from 0 to 30), I am sure she will not improve much in "the second 30 minutes (from 31 to 60)".
If I really like a woman, I repeat her several times.
Seriously, 30 minutes was enough for a good sex.
I don't perform DATY, so a good sex means 10 minutes DFK and foreplay, then 15 minutes fucking with 2-3 positions, and then 5 minutes caressing and saying goodbye.
My personal record was taking Dominica (blonde Polish) in Sharks 3 times (with each time 30 minutes / 50 EUR) at the same day. Her performance in the 3 sessions was basically the same (which can be considered good by me).
"50 E is only suck and fuck, no good service. But for 100 E, you will have kissing, good service, and girlfriend experience. " is exactly the line I had heard from women in both Oase and Sharks.
Personally, I don't accept this.
So, I turn to other women or other clubs.
That's my response to the situation.
As many punters know FT has a totally different meaning in German FKK land. But ok, after 1st of July FT (=CIM) and OWO will be over or at least less easy (or more expensive) to get in Germany.
Solo Traveler
03-28-17, 04:11
I don't perform DATY, so a good sex means 10 minutes DFK and foreplay, then 15 minutes fucking with 2-3 positions, and then 5 minutes caressing and saying goodbye.Correction.
BBBJ was forgotten. It should be added in the first 25 minutes above.
Anyway, what I want to express is having DFK, BBBJ and sex with 2-3 positions, with a good attitude by a decent working women, is definitely possible within 30 minutes / 50 EUR.
And this was what I fly 12 hours+ from East Asia to Germany for.
If they raise this service up to 100 Euros, or decide not to provide DFK and good attitude within 50 Euros, then they lose me as a customer.
I was trying to get schedule and the cost from Frankfurt Airport to Friedrichsdolf (oase). I have noticed one strange thing. If I put in under From as Frankfurt airport and To as Friedrichsdolf or Frankfurt main train station (Hauptbahnhof), the cost is same. E4. 80. Does that mean I can buy a ticket at airport train station (machine) and pay only E4. 80,I will be ride the train all the way to Friedrichsdolf? Can I also stop at main train station (Hauptbahnhof) and get something to eat?
If I want to buy a ticket back from Friedrichsdolf to airport next day, can I get it from the store at the station when I come in?
1. How to get to World by train from Frankfurt? Giessen and then what? Cab? Google maps is not giving me any options.
2. Does Sharks allow multiple entries in a day on a single day pass? Thinking about staying in Maritim which would allow me to go back to the hotel if I want some peace during the day.
3. Do you have anything bad to say about Maritim hotel in Darmstadt?
TIA.
1. Use www.bahn.de. It has an English option. From Giesden you can get taxi, train, or bus, to Pohlheim Garbenteich (get off bus at Sportplatz or the stop before, used to be called Apotheke, not sure if still so) Ten minute walk. Put in Pohlheim Gruningerweg as your destination and you get all the options.
1. How to get to World by train from Frankfurt? Giessen and then what? Cab? Google maps is not giving me any options.
2. Does Sharks allow multiple entries in a day on a single day pass? Thinking about staying in Maritim which would allow me to go back to the hotel if I want some peace during the day.
3. Do you have anything bad to say about Maritim hotel in Darmstadt?
TIA.You can leave and return to Sharks on same day with your entry, if you say to desk.
Solo Traveler
03-29-17, 07:40
Does that mean I can buy a ticket at airport train station (machine) and pay only E4. 80,I will be ride the train all the way to Friedrichsdolf? Can I also stop at main train station (Hauptbahnhof) and get something to eat?
If I want to buy a ticket back from Friedrichsdolf to airport next day, can I get it from the store at the station when I come in?"Single tickets are valid for immediate travel only; they are not available to purchase in advance.
Valid for one person for a single journey. Not valid for round trips or return journeys or when you need to break your journey. "
The above is from the RMV website.
Regarding your first question, yes, the ticket allows you to travel from Airport Regionalbahnhof to Friedrichsdorf Bahnhof.
The rules say no breaking in the journey, but if you just go grab a quick meal in Frankfurt Hbf, and then continue your journey to Friedrichsdorf, I think the conductor (if you encounter one) won't be so harsh on it.
Regarding your second question, you can buy your return ticket at Friedrichsdorf Bahnhof. There is always at least one ticket machine in S-Bahn stations.
Do you mean the travel center under terminal 1 by "store"?
Well, you can also consult the staff members and buy your ticket there.
PussyLiccker
03-29-17, 09:52
I was trying to get schedule and the cost from Frankfurt Airport to Friedrichsdolf (oase). I have noticed one strange thing. If I put in under From as Frankfurt airport and To as Friedrichsdolf or Frankfurt main train station (Hauptbahnhof), the cost is same. E4. 80. Does that mean I can buy a ticket at airport train station (machine) and pay only E4. 80,I will be ride the train all the way to Friedrichsdolf? Can I also stop at main train station (Hauptbahnhof) and get something to eat?
If I want to buy a ticket back from Friedrichsdolf to airport next day, can I get it from the store at the station when I come in?No, you are paying by zones. If you don't pay the correct amount (they can tell by what is printed out on the ticket), you can get fined by the DB officer, just like not having a ticket. From the airport it's more than from hbf.
UltraHappy
03-29-17, 11:13
I was trying to get schedule and the cost from Frankfurt Airport to Friedrichsdolf (oase). I have noticed one strange thing. If I put in under From as Frankfurt airport and To as Friedrichsdolf or Frankfurt main train station (Hauptbahnhof), the cost is same. E4. 80. Does that mean I can buy a ticket at airport train station (machine) and pay only E4. 80,I will be ride the train all the way to Friedrichsdolf? Can I also stop at main train station (Hauptbahnhof) and get something to eat?
If I want to buy a ticket back from Friedrichsdolf to airport next day, can I get it from the store at the station when I come in?No, the price is definitely not the same for Airport to Hauptbahnhof versus Airport to Friedrichsdorf. The latter ticket costs more for sure. If the machine is telling you the same price, you are doing something wrong.
The fine for riding without the correct ticket is now 60 Euros (up from 40 Euros a couple years ago). You will not only receive a fine, but it is also technically a crime. So, if you are caught without a ticket, that will begin your criminal record in Germany.
The DB controllers inspect the trains with enough regularity that is not worth it to try to get away riding without a ticket. And don't think that there won't be any DB inspectors just because you are riding the train at 5 am or 1 am or whatever odd or crazy time you happen to be on the train. There is no rhyme or reason as to when they inspect the trains, so it is always best to have the correct ticket.
No, the price is definitely not the same for Airport to Hauptbahnhof versus Airport to Friedrichsdorf. The latter ticket costs more for sure. If the machine is telling you the same price, you are doing something wrong.
The fine for riding without the correct ticket is now 60 Euros (up from 40 Euros a couple years ago). You will not only receive a fine, but it is also technically a crime. So, if you are caught without a ticket, that will begin your criminal record in Germany.
The DB controllers inspect the trains with enough regularity that is not worth it to try to get away riding without a ticket. And don't think that there won't be any DB inspectors just because you are riding the train at 5 am or 1 am or whatever odd or crazy time you happen to be on the train. There is no rhyme or reason as to when they inspect the trains, so it is always best to have the correct ticket.I know it is not right for sure as I paid around E5 for airport to main train station along. Can I buy next day ticket today? I remembered that one time the machine at Friedrichsdorf broke, I had to go to the store at the station to get ticket. Since I will take 5 or 6 am train on Sunday morning, is it possible for me to purchase Sunday ticket when I come in on Saturday afternoon from the store?
Correction.
BBBJ was forgotten. It should be added in the first 25 minutes above.
Anyway, what I want to express is having DFK, BBBJ and sex with 2-3 positions, with a good attitude by a decent working women, is definitely possible within 30 minutes / 50 EUR.
And this was what I fly 12 hours+ from East Asia to Germany for.
If they raise this service up to 100 Euros, or decide not to provide DFK and good attitude within 50 Euros, then they lose me as a customer.I kissed some girls for 1 hour, just because I enjoyed their breathe. I DATY small Lora at Aca, ex Pearls, for 45 mn, because she said: you started, I want you finish me, so 1h30 with her becoming very hot, for 120 €. I had a more than 4 hours sex marathon for my first room with Katea. Ru. No rules for time for me, not kissing girls don't worth more than 30 mn, but dreamed girls worth to take time to enjoy them. Some girls worth 280 CHF / hour for me, escorts rate, but they could be top escort.
No, you are paying by zones. If you don't pay the correct amount (they can tell by what is printed out on the ticket), you can get fined by the DB officer, just like not having a ticket. From the airport it's more than from hbf.
No, the price is definitely not the same for Airport to Hauptbahnhof versus Airport to Friedrichsdorf. The latter ticket costs more for sure. If the machine is telling you the same price, you are doing something wrong.
The price is the same.
A ticket from Frankfurt Airport (5090) to anywhere in Frankfurt (5000) is at a higher rate than a normal Frankfurt ticket in order to tax / rip off visitors to Frankfurt; whereas if you are travelling to anywhere outside Frankfurt then you don't get shafted.
I was trying to get schedule and the cost from Frankfurt Airport to Friedrichsdolf (oase). I have noticed one strange thing. If I put in under From as Frankfurt airport and To as Friedrichsdolf or Frankfurt main train station (Hauptbahnhof), the cost is same. E4. 80. Does that mean I can buy a ticket at airport train station (machine) and pay only E4. 80,I will be ride the train all the way to Friedrichsdolf?That is correct, but the ticket must show Friedrichsdorf as the destination and not Frankfurt.
Can I also stop at main train station (Hauptbahnhof) and get something to eat?No, you must not break your journey, but allowing for the connection at the Hauptbahnhof you have some wiggle room but don't hang about.
If I want to buy a ticket back from Friedrichsdolf to airport next day, can I get it from the store at the station when I come in?There are ticket machines at Friedrichsdorf.
Solo Traveler
03-29-17, 21:52
I know it is not right for sure as I paid around E5 for airport to main train station along. Can I buy next day ticket today? I remembered that one time the machine at Friedrichsdorf broke, I had to go to the store at the station to get ticket. Since I will take 5 or 6 am train on Sunday morning, is it possible for me to purchase Sunday ticket when I come in on Saturday afternoon from the store?What I'm sure is that the RMV formula on their website is the same as the one installed in the RMV ticket machines.
The RMV website shows the same price from either "Frankfurt (Main) Flughafen Regionalbahnhof" or "Frankfurt (Main) Hauptbahnhof", to "Friedrichsdorf Bahnhof".
So, I think there is a special discount formula that gives you the same price when you travel a bit further.
It's not uncommon to see it in transportation price structures. A-be-see is sometimes the same or even cheaper than be-see.
You can also input "Ober-Erlenbacher-Straße 109", the Oase's address, the RMV website also tells you how to take a bus from Friedrichsdorf Bahnhof and then walk there.
DaWong, if I were you, I would buy two "Tageskarte"(Day ticket) for day 1 and day 2.
1. Tageskarte (Day ticket) means unlimited travel within the dates shown. So, you can take a break in Frankfurt to get some food and then head to Friedrichsdorf.
2. Tageskarte (Day ticket) can be bought beforehand at the ticket machine, while single tickets cannot. So, you can have two tickets purchased in Frankfurt airport terminal. Then, no worries anymore. As you said, the ticket machine in Friedrichsdorf happened to malfunction last time you were there (never happened to me though), the ticket machines in Frankfurt airport are numerous and are less likely to malfunction.
Can I buy next day ticket today? I remembered that one time the machine at Friedrichsdorf broke, I had to go to the store at the station to get ticket. Since I will take 5 or 6 am train on Sunday morning, is it possible for me to purchase Sunday ticket when I come in on Saturday afternoon from the store?Since they don't have ticket cancelling machines in the RMV area you probably won't be able to purchase a single ticket in advance. It may be possible to purchase a day ticket in advance using the ticket machine but I'm not in Frankfurt so I can't confirm this at the moment.
There are several ticket machines at Friedrichsdorf so at least one should work.
Can I buy next day ticket today? I remembered that one time the machine at Friedrichsdorf broke, I had to go to the store at the station to get ticket. Since I will take 5 or 6 am train on Sunday morning, is it possible for me to purchase Sunday ticket when I come in on Saturday afternoon from the store?2 day ticket:
https://www.rmv.de/de/Fahrkarten/Die_richtige_Fahrkarte/Fahrkarten_im_Ueberblick/Lokale_Fahrkartenangebote/32826/Frankfurt_Card.html
Some cities allow a ticket that can be used for four trips, but you have to remember to stamp in the machine before boarding. Not sure if Frankfurt offers this:
http://www.stadtwerke-muenster.de/blog/verkehr/kein-4er-ticket-mehr-im-bus/
2 day ticket:
https://www.rmv.de/de/Fahrkarten/Die_richtige_Fahrkarte/Fahrkarten_im_Ueberblick/Lokale_Fahrkartenangebote/32826/Frankfurt_Card.htmlNot valid outside Frankfurt i.e. Friedrichsdorf. These tourist aimed tickets are almost always a rip off, without a discount on FKK entrance most definitely not worth it.
Some cities allow a ticket that can be used for four trips, but you have to remember to stamp in the machine before boarding. Not sure if Frankfurt offers this:No stamping machines in RMV area so not available.
That is correct, but the ticket must show Friedrichsdorf as the destination and not Frankfurt.
No, you must not break your journey, but allowing for the connection at the Hauptbahnhof you have some wiggle room but don't hang about.
There are ticket machines at Friedrichsdorf.Ableyone,
So just to confirm that as long as my destination show Friedrichsdorf, I will be able to get this E4. 8 fare from airport? What a deal!
Also to confirm that as long as I use 10-20 min for connection at main train station, the ticket will be good?
As long as there are multiple ticket machine at Friedrichsdorf, it will be fine with me. Just like you said, one of them will work.
Thanks.
Dave.
Small point. Make sure you don't get an ICE from airport to HBF or indeed anywhere without buying the necessary supplement in your ticket.
UH. Is having no ticket something which creates a criminal record?. I can' t remember the details of German criminal law but is it not within the category which does not create a criminal record? Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree.
Any experts in German law around?
Optimist,
A couple of years ago I got fined 40€ for allegedly not having correct ticket. I found out that on second or maybe third fine you end up in front of a judge, because in Germany it is a criminal offense not to pay a ticket. I eventually won my case and got the money back but I don't know if my criminal record has been erased.
PussyLiccker
03-30-17, 02:37
No, the price is definitely not the same for Airport to Hauptbahnhof versus Airport to Friedrichsdorf. The latter ticket costs more for sure. If the machine is telling you the same price, you are doing something wrong.
The fine for riding without the correct ticket is now 60 Euros (up from 40 Euros a couple years ago). You will not only receive a fine, but it is also technically a crime. So, if you are caught without a ticket, that will begin your criminal record in Germany.
The DB controllers inspect the trains with enough regularity that is not worth it to try to get away riding without a ticket. And don't think that there won't be any DB inspectors just because you are riding the train at 5 am or 1 am or whatever odd or crazy time you happen to be on the train. There is no rhyme or reason as to when they inspect the trains, so it is always best to have the correct ticket.He looked it up online, not on the machine. I could swear it cost more. Anyway, been a while though.
Ablyone, did you buy the ticket from the airport station machine, and was in fact 4. 80 Euros? Or are you basing off the website. Which does says via Bad Hamburg, it's 4. 80. Hmmm.
But the tourist passes being limited to the city is indeed correct.
The issue he's pointing out is the ticket back in the morning, and I certainly understand the concern. I've had issues with ticket machines before or didn't take paper cash. In those instances gotten lucky with others around to help me out.
For the day pass, it expires 4am. 5am the first train?
He looked it up online, not on the machine. I could swear it cost more. Anyway, been a while though.
Ablyone, did you buy the ticket from the airport station machine, and was in fact 4. 80 Euros? Or are you basing off the website. Which does says via Bad Hamburg, it's 4. 80. Hmmm.
But the tourist passes being limited to the city is indeed correct.When people talk about Germany, most people will think it is well oiled machine with a lot of details. I found that for most part, it is true. But being a tourist, as first timer FKK lander seeker, I sure learned my lesson. Three years ago, when I first ventured myself to FKK clubs, Someone from Frankfurt welcome center at Frankfurt Airport told me that to make my life easy, I should buy 2-3 days Frankfurt Card which it would give me unlimited use of public transit throughout Frankfurt area. I did not know Oase and Shark are out of Frankfurt zone. The first day went well as I went to Palace. I went to Oase the next day and had blast. It was shock. I was in heaven till one of train conductor asked me to show my ticket on my way back. He looked at my Frankfurt card and said I was using wrong ticket, I could either pay E40 or go to jail. WTF! He kind of explained to me but I could not understand as train is approaching the station. I did paid E40 and got off the train. When I got back to InterContinental Hotel, I asked front desk why I was fined, She kindly explained that Frankfurt card is only for public transit in Frankfurt zone while Friedrichsdorf was not in that zone. Lesson learned. Ask detail!(but how can a jetlag foreign know that Friedrichsdorf is not within Frankfurt zone?
For us fly in mongers, extra E40 or extra E200 will not break our bank. I will just but the train ticket from airport to HB and get another ticket from HB to Friedrichsdorf when I got there.
Have fun.
Dave.
UltraHappy
03-30-17, 05:03
Ok, because the Airport (zone 5090) already lies outside the Frankfurt central zone (50), a single ticket from the airport to anywhere in central Frankfurt costs 4. 80.
As it so happens, the cost from the Airport (from zone 5090) to Friedrichsdorf (Zone 51) also costs 4. 80.
What I should have said below is that one cannot simply buy a one way ticket that is valid only in the Frankfurt central zone 50 and rely on that ticket to go all the way to Friedrichsdorf (or Bad Homburg).
If you select the destination in the airport ticket machine of anywhere in Zone 51 (for example, Bad Homburg or Friedrichsdorf), the airport machine will tell you the correct price of 4. 80 Euros. The critical thing you must check is that if you typed your destination in the ticket machine correctly, your ticket should say that it is valid for Zone 51 to get you all the way up to Friedrichsdorf (or Bad Homburg if you're getting off a couple stops earlier).
In any case, I'm sure most people don't care about this minutiae. The critical take-away is to just type in your destination correctly into the ticket machine to be on the safe side.
Helpful links:
Tariff zone map: https://goo.gl/rbtcP9.
Compute fare prices: https://goo.gl/ZvpeH9.
Frankfurt metro map showing extent of Frankfurt Zone 50: https://goo.gl/pEFjEZ (not the best metro map for readability purposes, but good for seeing the extent of Zone 50).
Price list based on price level: https://www.vgf-ffm.de/fileadmin/data_archive/tickets-tarife/traffiQ_A3_Tarif_2017_web.pdf (refer to the first link to the Tariff zone map for the Price levels or Preisstufe).
Sorry for bad advice about Frankfurt Card. Never took PT to Oase. Only Palace, Mainhattan or Sharks.
ExpatLover
03-30-17, 11:53
Ok, because the Airport (zone 5090) already lies outside the Frankfurt central zone (50), a single ticket from the airport to anywhere in central Frankfurt costs 4. 80.
As it so happens, the cost from the Airport (from zone 5090) to Friedrichsdorf (Zone 51) also costs 4. 80.
What I should have said below is that one cannot simply buy a one way ticket that is valid only in the Frankfurt central zone 50 and rely on that ticket to go all the way to Friedrichsdorf (or Bad Homburg).
If you select the destination in the airport ticket machine of anywhere in Zone 51 (for example, Bad Homburg or Friedrichsdorf), the airport machine will tell you the correct price of 4. 80 Euros. The critical thing you must check is that if you typed your destination in the ticket machine correctly, your ticket should say that it is valid for Zone 51 to get you all the way up to Friedrichsdorf (or Bad Homburg if you're getting off a couple stops earlier).
In any case, I'm sure most people don't care about this minutiae. The critical take-away is to just type in your destination correctly into the ticket machine to be on the safe side..So many reports for such a simply problem, just buy the right ticket and enjoy the FKK life.
Ableyone,
So just to confirm that as long as my destination show Friedrichsdorf, I will be able to get this E4. 8 fare from airport? What a deal!
Also to confirm that as long as I use 10-20 min for connection at main train station, the ticket will be good?
Yes and yes.
The destination maybe shown as a number, 5120 for Friedrichsdorf. If the number begins with 50** then that ticket is valid only in Frankfurt.
Ablyone, did you buy the ticket from the airport station machine, and was in fact 4. 80 Euros? Or are you basing off the website. Which does says via Bad Hamburg, it's 4. 80. Hmmm.I've done it many times, the RMV website is correct. When buying the ticket always select via Bad Homburg.
For the day pass, it expires 4am. 5am the first train?The day pass is valid until the close of operations including night buses.
UltraHappy
03-30-17, 21:22
And yes, if you are traveling on a one-way single ticket (Einzelfahrt), it is technically only valid for immediate onward travel without interruptions. You are not allowed to reverse direction or use it for a round-trip journey.
That being said, if you are traveling from the airport to Bad Homburg for example, it is not problem to stop at the Hauptbahnhof for 10-20 minutes and then continue your journey. I once asked the DB Controllers how long the Einzelfahrt ticket is good for, I believe I remember them saying that they recognize their validity for an hour or so. So, a brief stop at the Hauptbahnhof is definitely not a problem if you are just traveling from the airport to Bad Homburg.
So, if you just needed to briefly walk out of the Hauptbahnhof to pick up a SIM card on Münchener Straße for example before continuing your onweard journey, this won't cause a problem with the validity of your ticket.
Mr CrankyPants
03-30-17, 22:44
Having never visited an FKK before, I'm curious about the customs, and looking to avoid a faux pas. Once you've decided to session with a girl, and especially if she was smoking cigarettes and you're hoping for DFK. Can you ask her to go freshen up with some mouthwash before going to the room? Or scrub some of the cigarettes smell off of her hands?
Anyone have any tactful ways of making sure your hygiene comfort level is dealt with without making the girls angry or self-conscious?
Apologies if this is a stupid question for anyone who's been there before. Thanks.
MCP.
Having never visited an FKK before, I'm curious about the customs, and looking to avoid a faux pas. Once you've decided to session with a girl, and especially if she was smoking cigarettes and you're hoping for DFK. Can you ask her to go freshen up with some mouthwash before going to the room? Or scrub some of the cigarettes smell off of her hands?
Anyone have any tactful ways of making sure your hygiene comfort level is dealt with without making the girls angry or self-conscious?
Apologies if this is a stupid question for anyone who's been there before. Thanks.
MCP.Not stupid at all, because if you are not smoker, you will taste and smell it. I ask them to drink a bit after cigarette and give them a bonbon when we arrive in room. As a not smoker, girls don't ask to smoke in room. Not smoking girls have better breathe to kiss.
Jimmy Boy 99
03-31-17, 03:00
Having never visited an FKK before, I'm curious about the customs, and looking to avoid a faux pas. Once you've decided to session with a girl, and especially if she was smoking cigarettes and you're hoping for DFK. Can you ask her to go freshen up with some mouthwash before going to the room? Or scrub some of the cigarettes smell off of her hands?
Anyone have any tactful ways of making sure your hygiene comfort level is dealt with without making the girls angry or self-conscious?
Apologies if this is a stupid question for anyone who's been there before. Thanks.
MCP.I tell them that I don't smoke so please use mouthwash. Never had any issue with the request. Many girls offer mouthwash before starting the session. If they don't, I ask, as it makes DFK more pleasant.
Hessen Bub
03-31-17, 07:21
(but how can a jetlag foreign know that Friedrichsdorf is not within Frankfurt zone?.Because the name of the town is Friedrichsdorf and not Frankfurt?
HB.
Not stupid at all, because if you are not smoker, you will taste and smell it. I ask them to drink a bit after cigarette and give them a bonbon when we arrive in room. As a not smoker, girls don't ask to smoke in room. Not smoking girls have better breathe to kiss.By the way you speak or touch a girl, with your manners, she will accept nearly everything even when she doesn't agree about your words, or not.
Because the name of the town is Friedrichsdorf and not Frankfurt?
HB.We who land after an airtrip are often incapable of rational understanding of practicalities when our minds are befuddled by the urgent desire to get through the door of the nearest FKK. Please have empathy for us poor lost exiles from FKK :)
Member #4581
03-31-17, 11:59
I rented a car and it didn't have Friedrichsdorf in the list of towns. Nothing nada. Tried putting Bad Homburg in its GPS (was trying to go to some lunch place first and then Oase) and it took to me to the middle of some field.
I tried four systems (car GPS, my own garmin, my smartphone's safari maps, and then finally google maps on my phone) before I got properly get to Oase.
Friedrichsdorf seems to be a well hidden town from GPS, if it is indeed a full town and not a part of Bad homburg.
ExpatLover
03-31-17, 12:33
Having never visited an FKK before, I'm curious about the customs, and looking to avoid a faux pas. Once you've decided to session with a girl, and especially if she was smoking cigarettes and you're hoping for DFK. Can you ask her to go freshen up with some mouthwash before going to the room? Or scrub some of the cigarettes smell off of her hands?
Anyone have any tactful ways of making sure your hygiene comfort level is dealt with without making the girls angry or self-conscious?
Apologies if this is a stupid question for anyone who's been there before. Thanks.
MCP.Many girls are spending their time by smoking, not sure that to use mouthwash will completely erase the smell, yes you can negotiate everything thing but it is better to seduce a girl if you wish to get a GFE and also a great time with her. If she is feeling dirty etc. She will be very mechanically with you, I know some guys want to discuss everything before the room like a business contract just don t forget that you are dealing with young girls, sometimes immature, so for my point of view it is better to go to the room and step by step to discover what will happen.
I rented a car and it didn't have Friedrichsdorf in the list of towns. Nothing nada. Tried putting Bad Homburg in its GPS (was trying to go to some lunch place first and then Oase) and it took to me to the middle of some field. I tried four systems (car GPS, my own garmin, my smartphone's safari maps, and then finally google maps on my phone) before I got properly get to Oase.Me thinks I'll stick to trains and taxis when it comes to mongering in places I don't know.
ShawnIreland
03-31-17, 13:31
We who land after an airtrip are often incapable of rational understanding of practicalities when our minds are befuddled by the urgent desire to get through the door of the nearest FKK. Please have empathy for us poor lost exiles from FKK :)I have been to all of the FKK in Frankfurt and Berlin at some time over the last few years, and have always done a little homework beforehand on the rail and bus links etc. It's not rocket science. A little planning in advance using the transport sites is well worth the effort, IMHO. The transport system in Germany is second to none, the rail and tram system in Frankfurt is inexpensive and easy to navigate. I have little or no german, but have never had a problem.
We who land after an airtrip are often incapable of rational understanding of practicalities when our minds are befuddled by the urgent desire to get through the door of the nearest FKK. Please have empathy for us poor lost exiles from FKK :)Totally agree. After 12 or more hrs air travel, you are kind of disoriented, especially if you are in unfamiliar location.
PussyLiccker
03-31-17, 14:29
It does show, maybe it was your Navi. Even Friedrichsdorf shows. Mine is TomTom. I've tried car Navi as well, they recognize Oase address. Finding FKK World on the other hand...
Citizen Kane
03-31-17, 17:08
it took to me to the middle of some field.Yep, that's the place.
Hessen Bub
03-31-17, 18:12
I rented a car and it didn't have Friedrichsdorf in the list of towns. Nothing nada. Can't believe that. It's not such a small town. Maybe you misspelled it.
HB.
ShawnIreland. I think you missed the very slight levity and irony I tried to convey by using slightly over the top English. Just to put your mind at rest, I arrive at German airports with my destinations already in my satnav, and with all plans laid.Or if using public transport, I have network maps and know my routes, and, where possible, fares. As you say, preparation is not rocket science and definitely pays off
Mind you, mistakes still happen, like getting off at the wrong S bahn for Artemis due to a moment's inattention, or being disorientated leaving an S bahn to be confronted in the dark with multi lane crossroads, or finding myself without a ticket because the ticket automat is broken.
I was just trying to point out that arriving at a strange destination can lead to errors, even, if one is really tired and jet lagged, being bewildered by ticket machines (which are crystal clear to local people) however much preparation is done.
Often at Frankfurt ticket machines there are helpful local people hanging around offering to help newly landed confusees to buy the correct ticket.They seem to be aware of problems some tourists have.
Can't believe that. It's not such a small town. Maybe you misspelled it.
HB.Yes, satnavs cannot cope with even the tiniest misspelling. Especially when the address has the special German character meaning "ss" which is not available on non German keyboards.
Citizen Kane
03-31-17, 19:51
Yes, satnavs cannot cope with even the tiniest misspelling. Especially when the address has the special German character meaning "ss" which is not available on non German keyboards.I seem to get better results using the postcode rather than place names.
You might find that your destination is in the satnav, if not then maybe time for an upgrade. Google Maps will get you there.
Member #4581
03-31-17, 21:29
Can't believe that. It's not such a small town. Maybe you misspelled it.
HB.That would be my first thought as well. Tried it multiple times. Brought up the correct spelling on my phone and tried it letter for letter on the car GPS. Was not in their system.
Member #4581
03-31-17, 21:41
Totally agree. After 12 or more hrs air travel, you are kind of disoriented, especially if you are in unfamiliar location.I said I was jet lagged from a long flight to a girl on my first day and she says I don't believe you, you are not tired. I asked what's the longest flight you have ever taken or how many time zones did you ever fly across, and turns out it was a couple of hours.
And then on the fifth day, I said to another girl (who was pestering me) I am tired after five straight days of clubbing, and she says I don't believe you, you have no money, you shouldn't come to the cub if have no money. I said, fine I am broke; why are you wasting your time on a guy with no money?
So these girls would rather believe that we are liars and broke than believe that we can get tired after long flights or many many sessions.
I said I was jet lagged from a long flight to a girl on my first day and she says I don't believe you, you are not tired. I asked what's the longest flight you have ever taken or how many time zones did you ever fly across, and turns out it was a couple of hours.
And then on the fifth day, I said to another girl (who was pestering me) I am tired after five straight days of clubbing, and she says I don't believe you, you have no money, you shouldn't come to the cub if have no money. I said, fine I am broke; why are you wasting your time on a guy with no money?
So these girls would rather believe that we are liars and broke than believe that we can get tired after long flights or many many sessions.Isn't the second sales pitch just an extended version of the first?
Me: "Maybe later".
WG: "No now, why later? Later I go home!
Me: "I am tired now".
WG: "I don't believe you".
Me: (shrug my shoulders and look away).
WG: "Why you always come here if you have no money?
Only the less classy WGs will throw out that last reply. Occasionally, the last reply might be accusing you of being impotent. That final insult is a self-defense mechanism since you turned her down. I guess, in rare instances, there are customers who change their mind and take the WG to the room just to prove the WG's statements to be incorrect.
Only the less classy WGs will throw out that last reply. Occasionally, the last reply might be accusing you of being impotent. That final insult is a self-defense mechanism since you turned her down.Exactly. I had a tute call me a "queer" because I turned her down. That's some great salesmanship there. Sure, maybe later. I'm bound to change my mind after that LOL! I had another one tell me my watch was fake after I told her "no thanks". Little minds with short-term thinking only.
Solo Traveler
04-01-17, 10:15
Only the less classy WGs will throw out that last reply. Occasionally, the last reply might be accusing you of being impotent. That final insult is a self-defense mechanism since you turned her down. I guess, in rare instances, there are customers who change their mind and take the WG to the room just to prove the WG's statements to be incorrect.I've got a Romanian woman who was so upset that she got turned down by me that she left with her mouth cursing something in Romanian language.
Later, I asked anther girl who sat nearby what that upset girl just said, and she just replied, "Some really bad words. "
She's lucky that I didn't get to know what she said exactly, or I might report it to the front desk because I start to be less tolerant towards girls' behaviors as I become more and more familiar with German FKK Sauna clubs.
I was told by a Portuguese user that he can understand almost all Spanish, and sometimes other Latin languages to a certain degree, while English is of Germanic language but we English users understand literally nothing in German except for "Kindergarten", LOL.
PussyLiccker
04-01-17, 11:25
Ugh, that talk. Heard it too many times.
Citizen Kane
04-01-17, 12:53
Isn't the second sales pitch just an extended version of the first?
Me: "Maybe later".
WG: "No now, why later? Later I go home!
Me: "I am tired now".
WG: "I don't believe you".
Me: (shrug my shoulders and look away).
WG: "Why you always come here if you have no money?
Only the less classy WGs will throw out that last reply. Occasionally, the last reply might be accusing you of being impotent. That final insult is a self-defense mechanism since you turned her down. I guess, in rare instances, there are customers who change their mind and take the WG to the room just to prove the WG's statements to be incorrect.Last summer I tried this one;
Me: Sorry I ain't got no money I'm not trying to be funny but I left it all at home today. You can call me what you wanna I ain't giving you a dollar this time I ain't going to run away. You might knock me down, you might knock me down, but I'll get back up again. You can call it how you wanna I ain't giving you a dollar this time I ain't gonna run away.
WG: What?
Me: Ich mache Pause.
PussyLiccker
04-01-17, 13:09
Sorry I ain't got no money I'm not trying to be funny but I left it all at home today. You can call me what you wanna I ain't giving you a dollar this time I ain't going to run away. You might knock me down, you might knock me down, but I'll get back up again. You can call it how you wanna I ain't giving you a dollar this time I ain't gonna run away.
Ugh, I heard this too many times!
Mr CrankyPants
04-01-17, 17:17
Never been to an FKK, going soon, so just a few curiosities to get out of the way.
So, if I'm separated from all of my worldly possessions, wearing only a robe and / or a towel:
If I don't wear a watch, is there any way to keep them honest about the time? The rooms don't have clocks, do they? Do the girls bring heir phones into the rooms sometimes?
Is all swimming in the pools / soaking in the hot tubs skinny dipping? Even on dessous day? Do he girls even take the time out to swim in the pools, or since they're there to work, they won't take the time for such recreation?
I understand at the bigger clubs you get a wristband to track your expenditures at the bar, and you settle out at the end of the night. Does that include wellness massages as well? So the only reason to go to the money lockers would be to pay the WGs?
PussyLiccker
04-01-17, 20:37
Majority of the clubs, you have the option of Robe, you can keep what you can fit into the pocket (like a phone). You should keep tracking of time yourself, don't rely on the girl. Wrist watch is the best way to keep track of time. Some girls maybe up to getting into the water, you should discuss this with the girl. For the most part, they got their make-up and all that, and make-up getting ruined is one issue with getting in the water.
You pay the masseuse directly in cash.
BigBuddy69
04-01-17, 22:11
Never been to an FKK, going soon, so just a few curiosities to get out of the way.
So, if I'm separated from all of my worldly possessions, wearing only a robe and / or a towel:
If I don't wear a watch, is there any way to keep them honest about the time? The rooms don't have clocks, do they? Do the girls bring heir phones into the rooms sometimes?
Is all swimming in the pools / soaking in the hot tubs skinny dipping? Even on dessous day? Do he girls even take the time out to swim in the pools, or since they're there to work, they won't take the time for such recreation?I strongly advise you to wear a watch and be very cautious about the time, or ask the girl to tell you when the half hour is nearly over (and check if she's not lying).
For the swimming pool last summer there were some girls in the Sharks pool playing ball.
Tommyseville
04-01-17, 22:26
If I don't wear a watch, is there any way to keep them honest about the time? The rooms don't have clocks, do they? Do the girls bring heir phones into the rooms sometimes?
Is all swimming in the pools / soaking in the hot tubs skinny dipping? Even on dessous day? Do he girls even take the time out to swim in the pools, or since they're there to work, they won't take the time for such recreation?
I understand at the bigger clubs you get a wristband to track your expenditures at the bar, and you settle out at the end of the night. Does that include wellness massages as well? So the only reason to go to the money lockers would be to pay the WGs?I always wear a cheap divers watch with a rotating bezel; upon entering the room I turn it so I know when 30 min is approaching. Analog works better here than digital as you can tell with a glance how much more time you have. Casio makes good cheap ones for 20 bucks or so that hold up well in FKK showers and the like.
Girls always seem to have their phones in the room with them. Sometimes girls have a favorite playlist to fuck by. Other times we get onto Facebook in post-coital bliss and catch up on travels and the like. Years ago Maria at Oase would take calls on her iPhone 1st gen while I was doing her and I would fuck her harder so her breathing would be obvious to her caller. Heh.
Swimming and jacuzzi are skinny dipping for everyone; I haven't been during the summer in years but in times past you'd see girls playing in the pool at Oase and World.
At some clubs like Bernds you pay upon departing.
If I don't wear a watch, is there any way to keep them honest about the time? Wear a watch, bonus points for checking it during a session without the girl noticing, be aware of any mirrors in the room.
Don't ask her how long you've been since you know already as you're wearing a watch; just pay the correct amount and if she tries it on, confidently front it out.
I have found most girls honest and fair about the time so don't worry too much about it.
Member #4581
04-02-17, 00:51
Isn't the second sales pitch just an extended version of the first?
Only the less classy WGs will throw out that last reply. Occasionally, the last reply might be accusing you of being impotent. That final insult is a self-defense mechanism since you turned her down. I guess, in rare instances, there are customers who change their mind and take the WG to the room just to prove the WG's statements to be incorrect.Yes, it's strange isn't it?! They seem to think insulting you as either impotent or broke will somehow compel you to session with them by changing your mind. There must be some poor masochistic souls out there. Will it work the other way around as well? I call a girl a fat ugly scamming pig and she will give me a fantastic GFE session for free? LOL.
Trans Atlantic
04-02-17, 02:37
I rented a car and it didn't have Friedrichsdorf in the list of towns. Nothing nada. Tried putting Bad Homburg in its GPS (was trying to go to some lunch place first and then Oase) and it took to me to the middle of some field.
I tried four systems (car GPS, my own garmin, my smartphone's safari maps, and then finally google maps on my phone) before I got properly get to Oase.
Friedrichsdorf seems to be a well hidden town from GPS, if it is indeed a full town and not a part of Bad homburg.I suggest always using postal code. Don't even bother with typing the name of the town.
Solo Traveler
04-02-17, 03:59
Exactly. I had a tute call me a "queer" because I turned her down. That's some great salesmanship there. Sure, maybe later. I'm bound to change my mind after that LOL! I had another one tell me my watch was fake after I told her "no thanks". Little minds with short-term thinking only.Somehow, I can't help laughing imagine the girl got upset and yelled at the guest "Your watch is fake! Queer!
LOL.
I thought we're in a club, not a kindergarten, right? Why are the girls so immature like kindergarten kids?
Girl:"Have sex with me!
Guest:"No, maybe latter, thanks. ".
Girl:"No, you come with me now! Let's have sex!
Guest:"No, I don't want to. Leave me alone. ".
Girl got upset:"You're so fat and poor that you don't deserve my golden pussy!
LOL!
Or, maybe we should all act like one big guest in Sharks.
Girl:"Hello".
Big guest:"No".
Girl:"No what? I say Hello.
Big guest:"No".
Girl:"Why you keep saying No, I just said Hello, to you".
Big guest:"No".
Girl:"Relax. I was just trying to be nice".
Big guest:"No".
Girl left completely silently. LOL.
PussyLiccker
04-02-17, 16:43
Somehow, I can't help laughing imagine the girl got upset and yelled at the guest "Your watch is fake! Queer!
LOL.
I thought we're in a club, not a kindergarten, right? Why are the girls so immature like kindergarten kids?
Girl:"Have sex with me!
Guest:"No, maybe latter, thanks. ".
Girl:"No, you come with me now! Let's have sex!
Guest:"No, I don't want to. Leave me alone. ".
Girl got upset:"You're so fat and poor that you don't deserve my golden pussy!
LOL!
Or, maybe we should all act like one big guest in Sharks.
Girl:"Hello".
Big guest:"No".
Girl:"No what? I say Hello.
Big guest:"No".
Girl:"Why you keep saying No, I just said Hello, to you".
Big guest:"No".
Girl:"Relax. I was just trying to be nice".
Big guest:"No".
Girl left completely silently. LOL.This is money. 😂. Hilarious.
Or, maybe we should all act like one big guest in Sharks.
Girl:"Hello".
Big guest:"No".
Girl:"No what? I say Hello.
Big guest:"No".
Girl:"Why you keep saying No, I just said Hello, to you".
Big guest:"No".
Girl:"Relax. I was just trying to be nice".
Big guest:"No".
Girl left completely silently. LOL.I've used this one too with Spanish-speaking girls who I just want to go away (entire conversation in Spanish):
Girl: What is your name?
Me: I don't know.
Girl: What is your name?
Me: I don't know.
Girl: You don't know your name?
Me: No.
Girl: Complete silence.
LOLOLOL!
Citizen Kane
04-02-17, 17:09
Exactly. I had a tute call me a "queer" because I turned her down. That's some great salesmanship there. Sure, maybe later. I'm bound to change my mind after that LOL! I had another one tell me my watch was fake after I told her "no thanks". Little minds with short-term thinking only.I had a girl ask if I was gay once. I said, "I wish. It would be a damn sight cheaper than coming here!"
Exactly. I had a tute call me a "queer" because I turned her down. That's some great salesmanship there. Sure, maybe later. I'm bound to change my mind after that LOL! I had another one tell me my watch was fake after I told her "no thanks". Little minds with short-term thinking only.
Such self-defeating behavior is hard to explain. I surmise that unlike men, women have psychologically been ill-equipped by natural selection to deal with sexual rejection.
On the other hand, women can get away with anything in today's Society so they are not trained in self-restraint. Try calling a woman in the street names because she sent you packing and you land in jail.
I've often noticed girls stopped being rude to me once they'd seen me sessioning other girls. It must be the female-female pecking order kicking in. Once you have been kind to other girls, no girl dares being unkind to you any more. You've ceased to be a (useless) man, you have become another girl's livelihood and that gives you protection.
A couple of years ago I got fined 40 for allegedly not having correct ticket. I found out that on second or maybe third fine you end up in front of a judge, because in Germany it is a criminal offense not to pay a ticket. I eventually won my case and got the money back but I don't know if my criminal record has been erased.Germany has an arrangement with other European countries to share records on individuals who have criminal convictions as well as those who have been charged with a criminal offence, even if they do not end up being convicted. A large proportion of potential employers will check the criminal databases before offering anyone a job.
ExpatLover
04-05-17, 02:10
I've got a Romanian woman who was so upset that she got turned down by me that she left with her mouth cursing something in Romanian language.
Later, I asked anther girl who sat nearby what that upset girl just said, and she just replied, "Some really bad words. "
She's lucky that I didn't get to know what she said exactly, or I might report it to the front desk because I start to be less tolerant towards girls' behaviors as I become more and more familiar with German FKK Sauna clubs.
I was told by a Portuguese user that he can understand almost all Spanish, and sometimes other Latin languages to a certain degree, while English is of Germanic language but we English users understand literally nothing in German except for "Kindergarten", LOL.You are visiting the FKK to have great time and not to argue negatively with girls. In 15 years and hundred and hundred visits I never went 1 time to the front desk. Just ignore the girls who are not cool with you.
ExpatLover
04-05-17, 02:22
I said I was jet lagged from a long flight to a girl on my first day and she says I don't believe you, you are not tired. I asked what's the longest flight you have ever taken or how many time zones did you ever fly across, and turns out it was a couple of hours.
And then on the fifth day, I said to another girl (who was pestering me) I am tired after five straight days of clubbing, and she says I don't believe you, you have no money, you shouldn't come to the cub if have no money. I said, fine I am broke; why are you wasting your time on a guy with no money?
So these girls would rather believe that we are liars and broke than believe that we can get tired after long flights or many many sessions.You don't need to justify you with the girls, I never start a discussion with a girl if I don t intend to go to the room with her, just I answer politely no thanks. Never forget that in a FKK what we are telling the girls is most probably not true and what the girls are telling us is also not true. Only the girls that you know for many years with many sessions (not 50 euros) that you met may be outside the clubs, in that case you can start to get a part of the truth.
DonnieBoy12
04-06-17, 11:19
Hey,
I was originally planning to do a Frankfurt FKK tour of Sharks, Oase, Palace, and Manhattan. I've spent the first two days at sharks and oase and I don't see how they can be beat. Should I just stick to these two? Are Palace and Manhattan worth visiting?
Mr CrankyPants
04-06-17, 20:27
Hey,
I was originally planning to do a Frankfurt FKK tour of Sharks, Oase, Palace, and Manhattan. I've spent the first two days at sharks and oase and I don't see how they can be beat. Should I just stick to these two? Are Palace and Manhattan worth visiting?I'd be interested in hearing a comparison between the two clubs, since I only have a day to devote to FKK-land, and those are my top 2 choices. Lineup, facilities, or any other qualifiers you want.
Thanks!
MCP.
ExpatLover
04-07-17, 03:54
Hey,
I was originally planning to do a Frankfurt FKK tour of Sharks, Oase, Palace, and Manhattan. I've spent the first two days at sharks and oase and I don't see how they can be beat. Should I just stick to these two? Are Palace and Manhattan worth visiting?You can look at all my short reports, in Hessen those 2 clubs are the best, and if you are able to spend a full day you will always find a girl that fulfill your expectations. For me no need to visit other places, the LU will be smaller. I visited many FKK in Germany over the last 15 years and they are the best solutions to get a great time without taking any risk of loosing your time or money. Some guys are trying smaller clubs, this could be a good alternative but sometimes the LU consists just of 10 girls or even less early morning. Palace has no garden, and is quite dark inside, also I recommend not to visit during fair time in Frankfurt, Manhattan is a smaller club that I like also if I just have few hours.
FunExplorer
04-07-17, 07:04
Hey,
I was originally planning to do a Frankfurt FKK tour of Sharks, Oase, Palace, and Manhattan. I've spent the first two days at sharks and oase and I don't see how they can be beat. Should I just stick to these two? Are Palace and Manhattan worth visiting?I would be sticking to Sharks and Oase. There is lot of upselling at Palace and line up, in my opinion not great at Manhattan.
I'd be interested in hearing a comparison between the two clubs, since I only have a day to devote to FKK-land, and those are my top 2 choices. Lineup, facilities, or any other qualifiers you want.
Thanks!
MCP.I asked these questions to myself many times and got the answers with experience. I would definitely stick Oase and Sharks. Palace definitely doesn't worht a visit with their terrible service level and Mainhatten isn't that high class as Oase and Sharks. I have gone there once and I never think to go again. But for example Living Room. It is is still a small club and not a tier 1 club but I will definitely repeat it because has nice girls and nice service level. I really felt good there. IMHO.
FormulaOneFan
04-07-17, 15:55
IMHO. If you've enjoyed Sharks and / or Oase, I'd just return to one of them. I like Mainhattan for the change of pace and am not a big fan of Palace, but it does have some followers. If you want a change of pace from 90%+ romanians, then Palace is a good place to go.
I could do a 7 day trip and go to just Sharks and Oase. In fact I have on several occasions.
I've spent the first two days at sharks and oase and I don't see how they can be beat.What was so unbeatable about those two clubs?
Hey,
I was originally planning to do a Frankfurt FKK tour of Sharks, Oase, Palace, and Manhattan. I've spent the first two days at sharks and oase and I don't see how they can be beat. Should I just stick to these two? Are Palace and Manhattan worth visiting?If a visit each to Sharks and Oase has opened some doors for you, go back, man! There are two different approaches:
1) Go to a different club each day;.
2) Focus only on one or two clubs with large line-ups, where you develop a "to do" list and then work that list! (I've become fond of building a good session with specific choice girls over multiple repeat sessions over a couple of days. It really works for me!)
Both have advantages, but there is certainly wisdom in sticking with what works.
Hi all,
I'm currently planning to visit Aca and GT this Thursday and Good Friday, but I'm starting to feel this is a very bad idea as the eastern European girls will have gone home for the Easter break. Can anyone let me know if they agree or disagree it's a bad idea to go this week?
Thanks!
I have a 3 days trip. I plan on visiting both Sharks and Oase each 1 day. Which is Better? My last day I plan on going back to either Sharks or Oase. Which one is the better option?
Going this Friday, for a 10 day trip. This happens to be the Easter weekend. Do the full crew show up at all FKK or many take off this weekend? Any info will be really appreciated.
Bandy.
FunExplorer
04-10-17, 06:23
I have a 3 days trip. I plan on visiting both Sharks and Oase each 1 day. Which is Better? My last day I plan on going back to either Sharks or Oase. Which one is the better option?I would recommend two days at Sharks and one day at Oase.
ExpatLover
04-10-17, 09:36
Hi all,
I'm currently planning to visit Aca and GT this Thursday and Good Friday, but I'm starting to feel this is a very bad idea as the eastern European girls will have gone home for the Easter break. Can anyone let me know if they agree or disagree it's a bad idea to go this week?
Thanks!If you can it is better to postpone your trip for at least 2 weeks, if not if you have a car don't hesitate to travel from one club to another, if not try to arrive at opening hours and stay many hours at one moment or another you should find the girls you want to session.
IMHO. If you've enjoyed Sharks and / or Oase, I'd just return to one of them. I like Mainhattan for the change of pace and am not a big fan of Palace, but it does have some followers. If you want a change of pace from 90%+ romanians, then Palace is a good place to go.
I could do a 7 day trip and go to just Sharks and Oase. In fact I have on several occasions.Total agree. I have been to clubs in Zurich, Berlin and most recently been to GT, LR and ACA in NRW area. If you ask me where to go for FKK girls. I will still go to Oase / Shark.
I just want to thank you for everyone on this forum for helping me finish my virgin car driving in Germany.
I rented a mid size auto car from Hertz for only E28 per day (with my citi card as primary insurance). What a bargain! I had a lot of fun driving around. It is for sure the best way to get around to all those FKK.
To members asking which club, especially out of Oase and Sharks, is best, the answer is that it all depends what suits you and which girls you click with. The only answer is, go, see, then decide for yourself.
As for Easter. Lineups will be depleted so, if you have a choice, put off trips for a couple of weeks at least. However, even depleted lineups will be enough for any man lol
Hi all,
I'm currently planning to visit Aca and GT this Thursday and Good Friday, but I'm starting to feel this is a very bad idea as the eastern European girls will have gone home for the Easter break. Can anyone let me know if they agree or disagree it's a bad idea to go this week?
Thanks!To tell you the truth I never bothered about any Easter break. All the same, I don't remember being especially dissapointed at line-ups over Easter. Besides, isn't it better to hit the FKKs in the middle of an "Easter break" than in the middle of a major fair in Frankfurt or Duesseldorf?
Note that depleted line-ups may mean depleted male crowds due to married men staying in family jail.
Christmas and New Year are a different kettle of fish.
Right still enough girls in the clubs during easter. I would only avoid Good Friday in a club bc many romanian girls take this day off and celebrate together.
Lads,
A friend of mine is visiting Hamburg in May. He has been in Samya and absolutely loved it. He has asked me about the Hamburg Scene as is determined to at least walk around the Reeperbahn, mind you I have warned him it's somewhat of a tourist trap (yes I punted on Herbertstrasse) and basically it would be like a mechanical Amsterdam Window experience but of even less than the average quality found there!
He has also asked me about FKKs in Hamburg.
Can you please tell me which one if he can only visit one he should go to from Atmos and Babylon and Harmony, given the following.
He is relying on public transport and I presume that means he may have to use a combination of train and bus to reach any of them. Babylon and Atmos seem about the same distance from where he is staying, if I read things correctly. He will be based near the Hauptbahnhof.
Plus are they pure FKK with naked ladies in the bar?
Babylon seems more expensive but with more ladies? Extras certainly seem to mount up very quickly in them all here.
On the plus side the FKKs do not appear to full of RomBuls, with even a few German ladies on offer, he has expressed an interest in seeing an Oriental Lady, as he hasn't been with one in a while!
Any more tips on the scene in the city and perhaps anything else unmissable especially are there still sex shows such as Tabu and Safari, I was in a strip club called Suzis on The Reeperbahn and it was tame enough, years ago.
Knowing him he will probably end up in an Eros centre or two also!
Thanks in advance!
ExpatLover
04-11-17, 07:06
Lads,
A friend of mine is visiting Hamburg in May. He has been in Samya and absolutely loved it. He has asked me about the Hamburg Scene as is determined to at least walk around the Reeperbahn, mind you I have warned him it's somewhat of a tourist trap (yes I punted on Herbertstrasse) and basically it would be like a mechanical Amsterdam Window experience but of even less than the average quality found there!
He has also asked me about FKKs in Hamburg.
Can you please tell me which one if he can only visit one he should go to from Atmos and Babylon and Harmony, given the following.
He is relying on public transport and I presume that means he may have to use a combination of train and bus to reach any of them. Babylon and Atmos seem about the same distance from where he is staying, if I read things correctly. He will be based near the Hauptbahnhof.If I have the choice between a Romanian girl and German one most probably I will choose the Romanian one. Each time I session a German girl (I am perfectly fluent in German).
I am just disappointed by the way of speaking of most of the girls, it is often quite rude and also immediately you can feel that she was not long to school. Yes sometimes you can meet a German student but it is very very seldom, it is more a way to cheating. German students are doing escort.
Hi all,
It will be a stupid question, please bear with me.
I am a newbie to FKK clubs, I have been to one small club and found myself feel uneasy to talk to girls.
I am a shy guy (hence the need to go to FKK, maybe). As soon as I entered the club, I already felt a bit lost: where could I look (I avoided girl's' private parts eventually), what I can do other than just sitting there, even where I should put my hands. I was conscious about it.
Luckily the girls were not too pushy. Eventually a girl asked politely and sat next to me.
I asked her name, where she's from, how long she has been in Germany, her age. After 5 minutes, we were already out of topics.
Breaking the silence, she asked to go to the room. I could not reject her.
I do want to go to the room with her but I am also a bit mad at myself that I could not hold the conversation.
I wish I could talk with her nicely for at least 20 minutes (the girls look quite free that day), feel an emotional connection and even friendship (yes, I know it's just a fake feeling) before I have sex with her.
So here come the naive questions:
What do you guys usually talk about with the girls?
I saw guys chit chatting with the girls for a long time, but it's in German and I don't understand it.
How do I get the girls to talk more about their private life without appearing to be rude?
Do you have physical contacts with the girls (EG cuddle) before going to the room?
Thanks!
Banana Boi
04-17-17, 02:19
What do you guys usually talk about with the girls?Same things you would talk to a girl in real life who you met for the first time. It's no different.
UltraHappy
04-17-17, 03:43
Hi all,
What do you guys usually talk about with the girls?
How do I get the girls to talk more about their private life without appearing to be rude?
Do you have physical contacts with the girls (EG cuddle) before going to the room?
Thanks!Banana Boi's reply is spot on. Everyone has their own style. In my case, I usually keep my initial conversations fairly short. I merely ask a few questions like how are you doing, what's your name, what city are you from, how long have you been in Germany? This is mainly to get them talking for around 30-50 seconds (1) to assess their demeanor and attitude and (2) assess their English / German communication ability. But everyone does this a bit differently. Some guys ask many more questions than me.
You mentioned something about wanting a 20 minute pre-room conversation. At most of the big clubs, this will be considered excessive. A girl could have almost made a full room during that 20 minutes. If you can't make up your mind in 3-5 minutes, better to abort the conversation, retreat, and think it over if you are not ready to pull the trigger. Once you repeatedly spend some time with a girl in the room, she may be more willing to spend time hanging out with you outside the room, while she smokes her cigarette, etc.
Relax, smile and maybe give her a compliment too. If you are really struggling for conversation material, you should watch YouTube videos on how to hold a conversation. There's lots of good techniques on how to improve your conversation skills on YouTube. I happened to come across a few of these and some of them actually had some rather clever tips in them. I know it might sound silly to watch YouTube videos about something so seemingly obvious, but everyone can stand to improve on their soft skills and it never hurts to add a few tools every now and then to the old tool bag. I'm sure that some members of this forum will insist that they are experts on conducting conversations and don't need no stinking YouTube tips, so we'll just let them continue with their fantastic dazzling of the girls with their scintillating conversations.
It's probably not a good idea to try to delve too much in their private life upon first meeting them. This is perhaps better explored after getting to know her a bit, and then, only through indirect questions that allow her to reveal what she wants to reveal. You don't want her to feel like you are prying into her private life.
I usually save my cuddling for the room; rarely do I cuddle outside the room.
Everything in the clubs will be easier the more time you spend in the club. So, the most important thing is just go there more. Every time you go there, the easier it will be.
Member #4581
04-17-17, 04:02
As a somewhat introverted guy myself, I can relate to KY. I think it would help if you set smaller goals upfront. 20 minute talks, pre room flirting, etc. Are all lofty goals, and add to the pressure you are putting on yourself (and as UH said, in a FKK, girls rightfully think their time is money. It is not generally a good idea to try to have 20 minute chats with them, unless you plan to session several hours with that girls later on). I think you will benefit just having a few sessions with girls under your belt. No need to have any pre room chats, etc. Just pick a few girls, go to the room, have sex. I think the knowledge of having banged pretty young things does wonders for ego. Next time, you see a cute girl be it in the club or outside, you are less intimidated to hold a conversation, because you know you had someone just as good.
I agree with UH about pre session cuddling. I think any cuddling is part of sex. In my mind, the clock starts the min I touch the girl in a sexual way, inside or outside the room. I think girls hate it that guys touch them, feel them up, and then don't take any session. I think that is totally lame.
ExpatLover
04-17-17, 06:24
Banana Boi's reply is spot on. Everyone has their own style. In my case, I usually keep my initial conversations fairly short. I merely ask a few questions like how are you doing, what's your name, what city are you from, how long have you been in Germany? This is mainly to get them talking for around 30-50 seconds (1) to assess their demeanor and attitude and (2) assess their English / German communication ability. But everyone does this a bit differently. Some guys ask many more questions than me.
You mentioned something about wanting a 20 minute pre-room conversation. At most of the big clubs, this will be considered excessive. A girl could have almost made a full room during that 20 minutes. If you can't make up your mind in 3-5 minutes, better to abort the conversation, retreat, and think it over if you are not ready to pull the trigger. Once you repeatedly spend some time with a girl in the room, she may be more willing to spend time hanging out with you outside the room, while she smokes her cigarette, etc.
Relax, smile and maybe give her a compliment too. If you are really struggling for conversation material, you should watch YouTube videos on how to hold a conversation. There's lots of good techniques on how to improve your conversation skills on YouTube. I happened to come across a few of these and some of them actually had some rather clever tips in them. I know it might sound silly to watch YouTube videos about something so seemingly obvious, but everyone can stand to improve on their soft skills and it never hurts to add a few tools every now and then to the old tool bag. I'm sure that some members of this forum will insist that they are experts on conducting conversations and don't need no stinking YouTube tips, so we'll just let them continue with their fantastic dazzling of the girls with their scintillating conversations.
It's probably not a good idea to try to delve too much in their private life upon first meeting them. This is perhaps better explored after getting to know her a bit, and then, only through indirect questions that allow her to reveal what she wants to reveal. You don't want her to feel like you are prying into her private life.
I usually save my cuddling for the room; rarely do I cuddle outside the room.
Everything in the clubs will be easier the more time you spend in the club. So, the most important thing is just go there more. Every time you go there, the easier it will be.Agree with you, except you know a girl for a long long time with a lot of sessions and that she really trust you she will never take the risk to tell things that could be used against her. When you enter a club my be it is better to consider that most of the things are cheated the girls don t tell the truth and most probably the monger also.
Can you please tell me which one if he can only visit one he should go to from Atmos and Babylon and Harmony, given the following. He is relying on public transport and I presume that means he may have to use a combination of train and bus to reach any of them. Babylon and Atmos seem about the same distance from where he is staying, if I read things correctly. He will be based near the Hauptbahnhof.This is easy. The choice should be FKK Babylon, which is much, much closer to the Hauptbanhof than FKK Atmos is. I know, because I stayed near the Hauptbanhof and visited both clubs. In fact, I would not consider FKK Atmos to be "close" to the central train station at all. For details on these two clubs, please see the Reports of Distinction wherein PussyLiccker posted some links to my reports summarizing my experiences in Hamburg. Don't know why people just don't RTFF (shaking head)!
Hessen Bub
04-17-17, 08:43
I asked her name, where she's from, how long she has been in Germany, her age. After 5 minutes, we were already out of topics.
Breaking the silence, she asked to go to the room.Perfect. That's what the girls want, 5 min smalltalk and then off to the room.
HB.
You mentioned something about wanting a 20 minute pre-room conversation. At most of the big clubs, this will be considered excessive. A girl could have almost made a full room during that 20 minutes. If you can't make up your mind in 3-5 minutes, better to abort the conversation, retreat, and think it over if you are not ready to pull the trigger. Once you repeatedly spend some time with a girl in the room, she may be more willing to spend time hanging out with you outside the room, while she smokes her cigarette, etc.This is spot on. I spent 15 to 20 minutes talking to Lilia at Artemis one time, but I'd already done one hour long session with her. We spoke several more times throughout my 3-day visit at Artemis, and I sessioned with her for another for 1 1/2 hours bringing my total time with her in the room to 2 1/2 hours. Smart and sales-savvy girls will give you more time outside of the room as long as you are giving them more time inside of it! The good ones who know how to get and keep clients are happy to sit there and talk and be friendly while having a coffee or a smoke.
The key is not to over think it. You have a chat and at some point an inquiry will be made about going to a room. When this happens quickly it is up to you to agree or decline, or you can something like "already, I don't even know. " and fill in something about service, her background, age whatever.
Long presales normally just happen when it turns out you have stuff to talk about. Then it can take hours and normally you'll be the one to propose getting more active. GT, LR, Babylon, Mainhattan, World, Sharks, Samya, Paradise, etc. This happens everywhere (and in my case mostly with girls I meet for the first time). It just doesn't really work if you make it your goal up front.
PussyLiccker
04-17-17, 10:36
KY, keep in mind it's p6. Different from a real night club. Girls are there to make money.
Some guys buy out a girls time to keep her around. Others maybe regulars, or invested much on her monetarily. So, don't think much over this. You will realize after attending enough.
KY, keep in mind it's p6. Different from a real night club. Girls are there to make money.
Some guys buy out a girls time to keep her around. Others maybe regulars, or invested much on her monetarily. So, don't think much over this. You will realize after attending enough.You got some locals that like to talk for a long time, touching the girl all over and then tell her "maybe later" LOL.
Some gals like to talk if the biz is slow and they are bored. I always tell them just talking if I know I'm not going to take her to the zimmer.
Maybe its a strategy idk.
Same things you would talk to a girl in real life who you met for the first time. It's no different.A bit different for me because of paid sex in a brothel, but I agree for speaking to a woman behind the prostitute.
PussyLiccker
04-17-17, 11:32
Yeah when the business or slow or some girls are just good at Convo skills. Usually, it's girls that know me that I repeated a few times. Go eat or whatever, but this was when her business was slow and her friends were not around.
Another girl was new at a club, she didn't know anybody, and stuck around despite no session.
Various circumstances, especially for yolos that don't invest much in the girl. Also, some girls that is too nice as well.
But, finding a girl with very good English skills and talks about manly normal topics is always a pleasure, if she is attractive.
Some clubs, you'd readily get more couch time as it's more of a regular occurrance even without pre-investments of a girl.
I sessioned with Dora Sharks after talking to her for a while nice gal but didn't like her boobies LOL.
Also when there are few people left in the club I. E. Rly late girls won't mind talking.
I always tell gals to go hunting instead, LOL.
PussyLiccker
04-17-17, 12:06
I prefer pre-zimmer makeouts myself. LOL.
I recall talking to a German guy at Mainhattan. He was like, if the girl don't talk to you long time, she probably give bad service. And I was like, what if I'm not attracted to her and she talks to me long time? LOL.
Anyway, I try to avoid any hopes of taking her if not interested.
Always tell the gals just talking and maybe give her a nice shoulder rub 😊.
The rly attractive ones never stick around for a long time. Its hard finding someone that you feel a connection with and good convo skills. Not a talker myself but it depends on the girl.
PussyLiccker
04-17-17, 12:25
You are bad Turkish! Rubbing gals for free. 😮.
As BB says, it's like in real life. Sometimes it can flow, other times it doesn't work. It's just a way to see if you and the girl gel in some way or other. No formula: sometimes there can even be a bit of friction (not literally) but even that's ok. As Jnpr says, if you have a 20 minute chat with a new girl you are really ethically obliged to go with her.
Sometimes either the customer or the girl can have a bad day, so it doesn't always work out.
As for physical contact, let the girl make the running. It is rare nowadays. Of course, if you don't want to go with a girl don't let her DFK or suck you.The clock starts when you go to the room (unless you are having sex in public (very unusual now)
If you don't want to chat then no girl will object. As HB says, perfect one off customer.
If a girls a stunner I usually tell I'll give her 100 E straight off the bat.
50 E is for the average looking tutes ha ha.
ExpatLover
04-17-17, 19:22
If a girls a stunner I usually tell I'll give her 100 E straight off the bat.
50 E is for the average looking tutes ha ha.At least you know the girl very well if you are looking for a great experience I think it is really the right thing to do.
FormulaOneFan
04-18-17, 00:31
Hi all,
It will be a stupid question, please bear with me.
I am a newbie to FKK clubs, I have been to one small club and found myself feel uneasy to talk to girls.
I am a shy guy (hence the need to go to FKK, maybe).
....
Thanks!As others have chimed in I figured I'd add as well. I'm generally an introvert / shy guy as well and was intimidated at first with the interaction at FKKs. I agree that a long pre-room chat is unnecessary and a short chat to assess chemistry, attitude, and english skills is a good idea. Also, don't feel obliged to go to the room with a girl you chat with for a few minutes but don't have a good vibe with. Just be polite and say "it was nice chatting with you, see you around the club", or "have a nice evening, see you later" is always a good polite exit strategy that many girls will find fine and not get mad. If a girl gets pissy with you after a short convo and you decline a room, then that's probably a good choice on your part anyway. Nothing like a crap attitude to spoil a room.
If a girl approaches me and I'm not interested, I will chat with her politely if its slow but have no problem using an exit strategy to not do a room with her. If I approach a girl, its generally because she fits my spec and even if theres no chemistry, she's still on my 'hot to do' list and checks the box as others have said of having sex with a hot girl with no strings.
Only other word of advice is to be friendly as you walk around. Smile at the girls and say Hello, to girls that make eye contact, even if you're not ready for a room or aren't that interested in them. Girls watch how guys interact with other girls even if its not them. I know this from personal experience. I have been labelled as 'arrogant' and even rude before because as one girl said I "look through the girls, not at them" as I walk around. I'm not as seasoned as many others here but have several dozen FKK visits over the past few years under my belt and its gotten much easier. I generally spend many hours per day in clubs when I visit (upwards of 10-12 on some days) so being comfortable sitting alone, chatting with new and old favorite girls, etc is a critical skill.
As for small-talk, I hate it in general, and find it even more awkward with girls I just met. Only on rare occasions in my life have I really hit it off with a girl I just met such that I could hold a conversation solo with them for more than a few minutes. I'm not a boring person, I'm just not good at small talk nor do I really like it. I generally limit it to the usual. Where from, how long in <country , how do they like <country , and then throw in a few stock questions like what do you like to do when you're not working, what's your favorite color, etc. I may use compliments as well, but I always feel cheesy saying stupid things like that. If they really do have a unique or striking feature (eyes, face, etc) I may make a complimentary comment on that, but its rare.
Heck. I don't like small talk even in non-sexual situations like work. And I spend a lot of my time travelling the world talking to people about science. When things divert to small talk I usually find a way to off-ramp the conversation and do something else.
Member #4581
04-18-17, 03:49
If a girl comes up to me to say Hello, I do chat a little, that's just polite. Some girls are business minded, and get down to the sales pitch in less than 30 sec, and with those it is easy to say no thanks. Some girls are either more savvy, genuinely nice or know they are not knockouts and need a longer sales pitch, whatever. Some of these don't appear to be in a rush and start with a small talk. Of course, we all know their end goal is the same. It is a bit tricky with these girls. Greek Maria at Sharks was one of those. She is well traveled, has very good English skills, and is intelligent. It is quite easy to strike a conversation with her. The first time I met her, I got carried away and kept chatting for 15 min. Then I came to my senses, and told her I am not ready for a session yet. Truth be told, she was not my optical spec, and I knew I was never going to take her; but I am not tough enough to say it to her face, so I lied and told her I am not ready yet. She smiled, thanked and left after a couple of minutes, but it was not until another two days that she clearly realized I was never going to take her. I felt bad for her, a little mad at myself, but it's what it is.
So, with a girl I am not attracted to, my resolution is to cut short the conversation or politely the girl I am unlikely to take her at that time or perhaps even later. Wasting their time is not a good idea. If the girl stays even after I say so clearly, then that's her choice.
However, as UH and Cane said, if a girl is your regular, she might want to hang out with you and vice versa. That's fine and you know when that situation comes. With a regular I might do a couple of sessions, but if between the sessions we are sitting down and relaxing, it is just fair to encourage her to walk around and seek other clients if I am not intending to take her for another hour or two. Sometimes, she walks around, finds no takers and comes back to sit with me, but she is doing so on her own.
And I think groping and feeling them up and then refusing a session is just creepy. I have no idea how guys justify it to themselves but I see it all the time.
F1Fan - you sound like my alter ego! I could have written 80% of what you wrote, lol.
FormulaOneFan
04-18-17, 05:49
F1Fan - you sound like my alter ego! I could have written 80% of what you wrote, lol.LOL too funny.
I will also add that I have on occasion started chatting with a girl that wasn't in my spec during a slow time and built up a good rapport / chemistry and decided to go to the room with them. In one case it led to the first (of several) incredibly hot / intense sessions. There's something to be said for keeping an open mind and letting conversation and chemistry dictate, not just top spec girls.
LOL too funny.
I will also add that I have on occasion started chatting with a girl that wasn't in my spec during a slow time and built up a good rapport / chemistry and decided to go to the room with them. In one case it led to the first (of several) incredibly hot / intense sessions. There's something to be said for keeping an open mind and letting conversation and chemistry dictate, not just top spec girls.That's true. Sometimes, you just have to go with the flow. Some of my best experiences have been with girls who didn't "meet spec" hehe!
https://youtu.be/tr8IJ59POLc
https://youtu.be/ay3lGdqSjXc
And not just the women in p6. Also the men will be replaced. lol
Will be in Cologne and Dusseldorf late next week. I see there is an art fair going on. Does this count as a messe which will crowd the P6 venues? Or do art lovers not want to fuck?
I have 3 days, 2 nights, trying to make some choices. I love true FKK, naked women, also not too old or fat. I'd like to try Babylon, but can't get a sense whether it might be too MILF, or thick. Can I count on a few thin young girls there? Are there any other places aside from Bernds that maybe have a one night naked time a week?
Whats the best place for a Sunday afternoon? Maybe a BBQ and nice girls? Living Room?
Tempted to try Samya or Mondial, as I will be staying in town. Seems from posts that there are plenty of girls. Slim also? How much topless, nudity can I expect there?
Also tempted to start out at Teenyland, as my one visit was good, it seems an almost guaranteed GFE, with young pretty girls.
Any advice from the experts?
Banana Boi
04-19-17, 14:30
Frankfurt area 8-16 May.
Pussy of every colour, FKKs, RLD, sushi, pho, McDonalds, Fette Bulle, massage.Since I can't respond in the Travel Announcements thread, where is good Vietnamese pho in Hessen or NRW?
PussyLiccker
04-19-17, 15:11
How about something unique to Germany? People have some eateries that are must tries?
Pho sounds good, but usually the quality similar in most places. I wouldn't think Germany would be much different.
But, for sushi, there are Japanese run places in Fra probably more authentic than other places.
Not likely grandmaster Jiro level, but better than majority of fake sushi places I've been. I think German Chinese restraunts maybe more authentic as well. Or maybe a European thing. Chinese food does take different shapes around the world.
Solo Traveler
04-19-17, 20:36
I am a newbie to FKK clubs, I have been to one small club and found myself feel uneasy to talk to girls.I am a shy guy (hence the need to go to FKK, maybe).You must have mistaken FKK Sauna clubs for ordinary bars or nightclubs.
Yeah, in an ordinary nightclub, most men will be turned down by women.
However, in FKK Sauna clubs, it's the other way around, women are pestering men for sex, and men are ones who turn women down. This is exactly why FKK Sauna clubs are so fantastic and addictive!
Not sure whether you're like me or not.
I'm a physically and mentally normal guy, and I have no problem socializing with women.
But when it comes to sex or romance, I am so used to being turned down by women that now I just don't approach them actively.
I have lots of experiences of attending parties or nightclubs, where a few other men actually successfully pick up women and have one-night stands, but I ending up being alone by myself all night.
After I gave up the idea of being a pick-up artist, I discovered the Sauna clubs in Germany, especially the ones with parties and nightclubs atmosphere, I felt so good that I could pick up any woman and had sex with them right away. It's like a dream of being a pick-up artist come true.
In your case, if you do have a problem socializing with women, the Sauna clubs are great places to practice your social skills with women.
Introduce yourself to her, have some chit chats, and then discuss the service and price in the room, etc.
In fact, except for the discussion for service and price, other lines are similar to what you may say to a woman in real life.
If you reveal more details of yourself, maybe members here can give you more advice.
For example, if you are of East Asian descent (Japanese, Chinese, etc), you may face other troubles in the clubs.
Oki Chimpo
04-19-17, 21:47
This will be my first visit to Germany, let alone an FKK. Thankfully there's a lot of great info here. Thanks. Will be in Munich and Stuttgart. It appears generally the up charge for anal is between 50-100. My question is, what percentage of girls provide this service? Will I go down the line of 20 girls before I find one? Just wondering how common this request is and how difficult to get. Thanks in advance for any constructive replies.
ExpatLover
04-19-17, 22:15
You must have mistaken FKK Sauna clubs for ordinary bars or nightclubs.
Yeah, in an ordinary nightclub, most men will be turned down by women.
However, in FKK Sauna clubs, it's the other way around, women are pestering men for sex, and men are ones who turn women down. This is exactly why FKK Sauna clubs are so fantastic and addictive!
Not sure whether you're like me or not.
I'm a physically and mentally normal guy, and I have no problem socializing with women.
But when it comes to sex or romance, I am so used to being turned down by women that now I just don't approach them actively.
I have lots of experiences of attending parties or nightclubs, where a few other men actually successfully pick up women and have one-night stands, but I ending up being alone by myself all night.
After I gave up the idea of being a pick-up artist, I discovered the Sauna clubs in Germany, especially the ones with parties and nightclubs atmosphere, I felt so good that I could pick up any woman and had sex with them right away. It's like a dream of being a pick-up artist come true.
In your case, if you do have a problem socializing with women, the Sauna clubs are great places to practice your social skills with women.
Introduce yourself to her, have some chit chats, and then discuss the service and price in the room, etc.
In fact, except for the discussion for service and price, other lines are similar to what you may say to a woman in real life.
If you reveal more details of yourself, maybe members here can give you more advice.
For example, if you are of East Asian descent (Japanese, Chinese, etc), you may face other troubles in the clubs.Don t forget to mention that you were just able to pick up the girls because you are paying for it, the real life is quite different. Sessioning girls in any FKK is very easy just need to pay.
Trans Atlantic
04-20-17, 03:32
How about something unique to Germany? People have some eateries that are must tries?
Pho sounds good, but usually the quality similar in most places. I wouldn't think Germany would be much different.
But, for sushi, there are Japanese run places in Fra probably more authentic than other places.
Not likely grandmaster Jiro level, but better than majority of fake sushi places I've been. I think German Chinese restraunts maybe more authentic as well. Or maybe a European thing. Chinese food does take different shapes around the world.It's spargel season. Just had a pound of it. Now I need to find a girl offering CIM. LOL.
I have a couple of my go to places in NRW as I'm sick and tired of club food:
Essen - A 24 hour turkish place with good kanafeh on recommendation of FKK girl.
Dusseldorf - Sushi
Dusseldorf - Ramen
Dusseldorf - Pasta
Dusseldorf - Properly prepared weiner schnitzel. Pricey but the breading separates from the paper thin veal as it should be.
Japanese restaurants in Dusseldorf can hold it's own against those in other international cities outside of Japan.
PM for details.
FunExplorer
04-20-17, 08:02
Will be in Cologne and Dusseldorf late next week. I see there is an art fair going on. Does this count as a messe which will crowd the P6 venues? Or do art lovers not want to fuck?
I have 3 days, 2 nights, trying to make some choices. I love true FKK, naked women, also not too old or fat. I'd like to try Babylon, but can't get a sense whether it might be too MILF, or thick. Can I count on a few thin young girls there? Are there any other places aside from Bernds that maybe have a one night naked time a week?
Whats the best place for a Sunday afternoon? Maybe a BBQ and nice girls? Living Room?
Tempted to try Samya or Mondial, as I will be staying in town. Seems from posts that there are plenty of girls. Slim also? How much topless, nudity can I expect there?
Also tempted to start out at Teenyland, as my one visit was good, it seems an almost guaranteed GFE, with young pretty girls.
Any advice from the experts?Cannot predict the crowd at FKK clubs during fairs. For instance, I was once in Frankfurt during Book Fair, and yet there was virtually no crowd. What makes you think art lovers do not fuck?
All girls will be completely nude in FKK clubs barring dessous days. You can find that information posted by seniors. You find girls of all types and a lot of slim girls.
FunExplorer
04-20-17, 08:05
This will be my first visit to Germany, let alone an FKK. Thankfully there's a lot of great info here. Thanks. Will be in Munich and Stuttgart. It appears generally the up charge for anal is between 50-100. My question is, what percentage of girls provide this service? Will I go down the line of 20 girls before I find one? Just wondering how common this request is and how difficult to get. Thanks in advance for any constructive replies.Girls do ask between Euro 50 to 100 for anal, in addition to usual charges. It entirely depends on the girl. You need to ask. It may turn out that the first girl you approach may agree and it is not at all difficult to get.
This will be my first visit to Germany, let alone an FKK. Thankfully there's a lot of great info here. Thanks. Will be in Munich and Stuttgart. It appears generally the up charge for anal is between 50-100. My question is, what percentage of girls provide this service? Will I go down the line of 20 girls before I find one? Just wondering how common this request is and how difficult to get. Thanks in advance for any constructive replies.As the FKK scene's resident "analist", I shall endeavor to respond to this inquiry. What I have found over the years is that my typical Germany LAA (Lifetime Anal Average) is 40% of my sessions including anal. During my last trip earlier this year however, I achieved a stunning 60% of my tutes getting butt fucked! This nearly approached by Brazil LAA of 70%! Don't know what was going on, but far more girls seemed willing to give up the booty button! One of my best anal sessions of the entire trip was in Munich at FKK Sunshine with a Romanian girl going by "Hannah". She requested to "feel the pressure of my sperm in her butt hole" hahaha! So, find her. Then butt fuck her! And I mean good too!
1995594
In your case, if you do have a problem socializing with women, the Sauna clubs are great places to practice your social skills with women.
My FKK addiction has hurt my social skills. I am like a zoo animal in captivity now. Don't know how to hunt any more!
My FKK addiction has hurt my social skills. I am like a zoo animal in captivity now. Don't know how to hunt any more!Now you just say "lets go to the room" LOL.
Now you just say "lets go to the room" LOL.What is funny is in EE countries, WGs work at normal nightclubs intermixed with civilian girls. Then you're thinking to yourself "Hmmm this seems too easy. ".
ZimmerBaby
04-20-17, 11:01
Since I can't respond in the Travel Announcements thread, where is good Vietnamese pho in Hessen or NRW?My favorite Vietnamese in Frankfurt is Ong Tao, best Japanese Iwase.
Will be in Munich and Stuttgart. It appears generally the up charge for anal is between 50-100. My question is, what percentage of girls provide this service? Will I go down the line of 20 girls before I find one? Just wondering how common this request is and how difficult to get.At the FKK clubs Sakura, Paradiese (Stuttgart) and Sunshine (Munich) the percentage of anal providers I guess between 25% and 35 %. So in average every third or fourth girl will do this. Up charge for anal at these clubs usually 100 maybe even slightly higher.
My favorite Vietnamese in Frankfurt is Ong Tao, best Japanese Iwase.A Japanese girl in FKK? Where?
Banana Boi
04-20-17, 22:04
My favorite Vietnamese in Frankfurt is Ong Tao, Place and food look great but I don't see any Pho noodle soup. Do you know if they have Pho?
ExpatLover
04-20-17, 22:35
This will be my first visit to Germany, let alone an FKK. Thankfully there's a lot of great info here. Thanks. Will be in Munich and Stuttgart. It appears generally the up charge for anal is between 50-100. My question is, what percentage of girls provide this service? Will I go down the line of 20 girls before I find one? Just wondering how common this request is and how difficult to get. Thanks in advance for any constructive replies.In Munich I have no idea, in Stuttgart if you plan to visit Sakura or Paradise, I think that 50% of the girls will provide anal an the cost will be 100.
A Japanese girl in FKK? Where?On the menu. LOL.
A Japanese girl in FKK? Where?I was thinking about girls. I'm not at all into Asian foods.
Banana Boi
04-21-17, 00:50
I was thinking about girls. I'm not at all into Asian foods.Eating Asian food off a FKK girl rocks. I have done it at ACA in the all mirror room.
Solo Traveler
04-21-17, 02:18
Eating Asian food off a FKK girl rocks. I have done it at ACA in the all mirror room.Do you mean that the girl put sushi in her pussy and you performed DATY?
What does that mean?
Do you mean that the girl put sushi in her pussy and you performed DATY?
What does that mean?Means fishy smelling pussy. No good!
ZimmerBaby
04-21-17, 07:09
Place and food look great but I don't see any Pho noodle soup. Do you know if they have Pho?Number 17 on the menu. Tram from Hauptbahnhof, then 5 minutes walk. Don't remember the name of the station.
Lam Freres near Hauptbahnof is located in Weserstrasse 12, though always packed. Reservation needed.
Kims Pho in Kaiserstrasse if you need a massage / BBBJ immediately after the meal. (I do) : )
ZimmerBaby
04-21-17, 07:13
Eating Asian food off a FKK girl rocks. I have done it at ACA in the all mirror room.Avoid contact between the female tissue and wasabi. :). Vietnamese springroll more convenient.
RoyTheExplorer
04-21-17, 16:46
Hello friends,
Last time I was in any FKK club was in 2005 and it was Palace as far as I remember.
I'll be in Frankfurt for 24 hours, I need your expertise concerning which FKK club to visit in Frankfurt area?
Also if there are Moroccan / Egyptian / Syrian working girls in any of the clubs?
Smoke Light
04-21-17, 19:00
Hello friends,
Last time I was in any FKK club was in 2005 and it was Palace as far as I remember.
I'll be in Frankfurt for 24 hours, I need your expertise concerning which FKK club to visit in Frankfurt area?
Also if there are Moroccan / Egyptian / Syrian working girls in any of the clubs?You may encounter a few darker-skin gypsy girls from Romania, some appear similar to Egyptian. Also, a few Turkish girls. Try Oase and Sharks.
ExpatLover
04-21-17, 22:00
Hello friends,
Last time I was in any FKK club was in 2005 and it was Palace as far as I remember.
I'll be in Frankfurt for 24 hours, I need your expertise concerning which FKK club to visit in Frankfurt area?
Also if there are Moroccan / Egyptian / Syrian working girls in any of the clubs?Recommend you Shark, the best and largest LU in Hessen.
Polyamorist
04-21-17, 22:41
Just wondering how many of the FKKs are planning massive Fellatio Parties for June 29-30, before the new law takes effect?
I imagine it will be a pretty insane time with millions of guys crowding in from all over Europe to get their last authentic blowjobs in an eon. The FKKs also will want to make a huge profit before the long dry period when they can only offer lousy merkels (new slang for CBJs). There are going to be blowjob brochures on buses, in cafes, town halls, everywhere -- all competing to make the best promo package.
Last time I was in any FKK club was in 2005 and it was Palace as far as I remember.
I'll be in Frankfurt for 24 hours, I need your expertise concerning which FKK club to visit in Frankfurt area?
Also if there are Moroccan / Egyptian / Syrian working girls in any of the clubs?There usually aren't many girls from this countries in the Frankfurt clubs. At Oase works for many years a half Moroccan girl Louisa with good service and she is still at Oase. The Egyptian girls I've seen over the years weren't my spec and Syrian I think I've never seen one. Some years had at Oase / Mainhattan / Sharks great sex with fantastic ass girl Elektra from Morocco, unfourtunately she's disappeard.
Which club in Frankfurt? Depends what you prefer like crowded or relaxed atmosphere, smoke or non smoking. For wellness and food all Frankfurt big5 clubs meanwhile at least ok. For summer I avoid Palace bc no outside area but at the moment you still can't use it. Most girls you'll find at Sharks but it's sometimes crowded and full of smoke. Other good options are Oase or Mainhattan. World without car more difficult or more (taxi) expensive to get there.
Just wondering how many of the FKKs are planning massive Fellatio Parties for June 29-30, before the new law takes effect?
I imagine it will be a pretty insane time with millions of guys crowding in from all over Europe to get their last authentic blowjobs in an eon. The FKKs also will want to make a huge profit before the long dry period when they can only offer lousy merkels (new slang for CBJs). There are going to be blowjob brochures on buses, in cafes, town halls, everywhere -- all competing to make the best promo package.Yep I also believe that in June the German FKK clubs are full with guys, also locals. Even some girls I know makes her summer schedule around this and take in July already holiday.
Place and food look great but I don't see any Pho noodle soup. Do you know if they have Pho?Not many guys are skinny enough that they can afford to eat junk carbohydrates like Viet noodle soup. Avoid it!
Member #4460
04-22-17, 14:55
The FKKs also will want to make a huge profit before the long dry period when they can only offer lousy merkels (new slang for CBJs).I like that slang! I hope that slang "lousy Merkels" will stick long after she's in office as a reminder of how poorly she ruined Germany (with the mass refugee acceptance, the New Years mass sexual assault, and now condom laws)!
I can imagine in a few months saying, "I enjoyed this place for many years! Now, the best BJ I can get are lousy merkels! It takes an ugly bitter old lady to go ahead and ruin sex for everyone!"
ExpatLover
04-22-17, 20:05
I like that slang! I hope that slang "lousy Merkels" will stick long after she's in office as a reminder of how poorly she ruined Germany (with the mass refugee acceptance, the New Years mass sexual assault, and now condom laws)!
I can imagine in a few months saying, "I enjoyed this place for many years! Now, the best BJ I can get are lousy merkels! It takes an ugly bitter old lady to go ahead and ruin sex for everyone!"The new will have a very very small impact on the german economy, most of the girls are from Romania and they ship most of their earnings back to this country. On the other side, many German women are complaining that it is too easy for their husband to go and session young girls in all this FKK.
ExpatLover
04-22-17, 20:10
Just wondering how many of the FKKs are planning massive Fellatio Parties for June 29-30, before the new law takes effect?
I imagine it will be a pretty insane time with millions of guys crowding in from all over Europe to get their last authentic blowjobs in an eon. The FKKs also will want to make a huge profit before the long dry period when they can only offer lousy merkels (new slang for CBJs). There are going to be blowjob brochures on buses, in cafes, town halls, everywhere -- all competing to make the best promo package.I don't believe so, some of the girls are still leaving the clubs for Austria or Switzerland or to go for escort in Ireland, others are also considering to find a new normal job. In the last weeks in most of the clubs the business was low even during some big fair in Frankfurt. I think that the things are starting to be implemented, the most problem will be the registration of the girls which is creating a lot of stress for some of them.
I will be in Dusseldorf and I am keen on trying out FKK clubs. But issue is that I don't think I am yet ready to fuck girls there, all I am looking for is Deep french kiss, blowjob, body play and body massage. Can I get these services in FKK and avoid fucking.
I am an Asian and not sure if girls in FKK would agree to it.
Polyamorist
04-23-17, 17:22
I like that slang! I hope that slang "lousy Merkels" will stick long after she's in office as a reminder of how poorly she ruined Germany (with the mass refugee acceptance, the New Years mass sexual assault, and now condom laws)!I just wish I could get the Chancellor into a closed room and ask her exactly which parts of a girl's face I'm allowed to cum on, because that will surely be in the next pile of legislation floating down the river, and I'd like a heads up so I don't make any mistakes!
Meanwhile the FKKs will need to be giving massive discounts on entry fees in July so they aren't losing half their customer base.
ExpatLover
04-23-17, 17:27
I just wish I could get the Chancellor into a closed room and ask her exactly which parts of a girl's face I'm allowed to cum on, because that will surely be in the next pile of legislation floating down the river, and I'd like a heads up so I don't make any mistakes!
Meanwhile the FKKs will need to be giving massive discounts on entry fees in July so they aren't losing half their customer base.Many mongers are speaking to shift to Austria where the things remain the same and the costs seem to be equal with Germany.
Meanwhile the FKKs will need to be giving massive discounts on entry fees in July so they aren't losing half their customer base.Losing half their customer base AND half of their girls.
Horny Harry
04-23-17, 18:41
I just wish I could get the Chancellor into a closed room and ask her exactly which parts of a girl's face I'm allowed to cum on, because that will surely be in the next pile of legislation floating down the river, and I'd like a heads up so I don't make any mistakes!Just wait till Martin Schultz and his Green Khmer coalition buddies take over after the September elections.
If anyone wants a preview, book yourself a ticket to Sweden which is one of those left wing progressive Utopias that has been governed by socialists and neo-communists (Greens) for decades, and try to find an FKK club or brothel there.
ExpatLover
04-23-17, 18:42
Losing half their customer base AND half of their girls.May be many Romanian girls will leave and would be replaced by more German one.
Just wait till Martin Schultz and his Green Khmer coalition buddies take over after the September elections.
If anyone wants a preview, book yourself a ticket to Sweden which is one of those left wing progressive Utopias that has been governed by socialists and neo-comunists (Greens) for decades, and try to find an FKK club or brothel there. 🤢Unfortuanately the right wing in Sweden is just as bad. So there is no hope for a change!
T.
Member #4581
04-23-17, 19:07
Making prognostications about what will happen from July 1 in terms of prices, attendance, etc etc is a fool's errand. Let's wait and see. Things have a way of surprising all and sundry.
And what's with this left wing bashing? Do you guys seriously think right wing zealots and pols love FKKs, prostitution, etc? Unless left is right and right is left in your parlance, you are living in a twisted world. Visit South Carolina, or Utah, or Wyoming or other seriously red states, and see how much BBBJ and FKK living and loving you can obtain in those places.
Bashing Merkel is a ISG commenter pastime, it appears, especially from folks who were born and live a million miles away from Germany. That's your prerogative, but I have no idea why it belongs in ISG pages.
Hessen Bub
04-23-17, 19:44
Bashing Merkel is a ISG commenter pastime, it appears, especially from folks who were born and live a million miles away from Germany. That's your prerogative, but I have no idea why it belongs in ISG pages.+1. It gets boring also.
HB.
Member #4460
04-23-17, 20:30
Making prognostications about what will happen from July 1 in terms of prices, attendance, etc etc is a fool's errand. Let's wait and see. Things have a way of surprising all and sundry.You're right. Still hoping for the best but preparing for the worst!
And what's with this left wing bashing? Do you guys seriously think right wing zealots and pols love FKKs, prostitution, etc? Unless left is right and right is left in your parlance, you are living in a twisted world. Visit South Carolina, or Utah, or Wyoming or other seriously red states, and see how much BBBJ and FKK living and loving you can obtain in those places.Right, left, things have a way of changing. Look at Nevada, technically a Red State but went blue during this election because a lot of them wanted anyone but Trump (except a few porn stars like Jenna Jameson that supports Trump). Being red, they still allowed prostitution in some counties. I used to work with people in Elko, where there's BBBJ at the all Asian brothel there (I remember the owner said he was a Republican to me once).
Now let's look at the Blue State of New York! Prostitution is pretty much illegal and if you're at an Asian massage parlor, just hope it doesn't get closed down by some overzealous cop trying to make a name for himself! Sure, a woman is now allowed to be topless anywhere a man could, but as for the way people act, they sure act Conservative (for a Blue State)! As for street walkers, I haven't seen them around since the days of Rudy Giuliani! Maybe there might be a few but they're breaking the law and those underground brothels aren't run by law abiding citizens!
Red States like Florida (maybe not so red), the Carolinas, and Georgia actually have some of the East Coast porn stars living there! Just go to Exxxotica in the Fall and you'll see a few that work in the East!
Bashing Merkel is a ISG commenter pastime, it appears, especially from folks who were born and live a million miles away from Germany. That's your prerogative, but I have no idea why it belongs in ISG pages.The first thing the German men say to me when they find out I'm American is, "So how are things with Trump?" and the second thing they say is, "Merkel isn't much better. Look at how things are with those refugees!" and then we all end up sitting outside on the patio smoking, and talk politics while the girls wonder when we're coming in to have sex with them! I've actually ended up talking politics with some of the girls (or at least the Bulgarians) in some of these places!
I will be in Dusseldorf and I am keen on trying out FKK clubs. But issue is that I don't think I am yet ready to fuck girls there, all I am looking for is Deep french kiss, blowjob, body play and body massage. Can I get these services in FKK and avoid fucking.
I am an Asian and not sure if girls in FKK would agree to it.No problem, but check it in detail what a girl will do before you go to room. Most girls will be very happy not to fuck.
As much as I hate this new law in Germany or any crack down in any pussy land, I'm aghast at the ease with which men hailing from countries* where being a heterosexual male is enough to make you a criminal, let alone having anything to do with P4 P, will swear at foreign countries for backtracking on permissiveness.
* Canada, US, Sweden, UK, Australia, etc.
What about standing up for your men's rights in your home country so that you don't have to fly halfway round the world to have some sort of sexual life?
Here: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/320/826/584/legalize-prostitution-now/.
See? This petition has 18 signatures although it has been there at least for a week. If it had been a women-driven antiprostitution petition it would have gathered thousands of signatures in a single day.
Here: http://www.womenlobby.org/-news-about-the-brussels-call-?lang=en
And that's why men will have deserved what is coming, namely a blanket ban on prostitution the world over, country by country, with attendant confiscation of passports, jail sentences, prohibition of mixed marriages, ruthless nordic entrapment models, ...
Right and left are not the relevant dividing lines. The relevant one is individual rights and state control, or put differently libertarian or communitarian.
Trying to see it in terms of left: right leads to the confusion we have in this forum of anti prostitution attitudes being seen as synonymous with both left and right.
The pendulum is still swinging away from the 1960s eruption of individual rights and towards increasing state intervention in the private sphere
XXL. You are right It is worth fighting. In the UK a few years ago a proposal to, in effect, ban prostitution was defeated by an alliance of prostitutes and a well argued general campaign arguing that it infringed the rights of women. I supported this and helped get my MP and others to vote against it. We have to put our heads above the parapet.
One of the most outspoken supporters of prostitutes and prostitution is a gay actor. How come it takes a gay man to stand up for men? I guess because gay men have been on the receiving end of selfserving prejudice
Horny Harry
04-23-17, 21:15
Bashing Merkel is a ISG commenter pastime, it appears, especially from folks who were born and live a million miles away from Germany. That's your prerogative, but I have no idea why it belongs in ISG pages.Because perhaps it will have serious repercussions on the FKK clubs? 🙄.
Do you guys seriously think right wing zealots and pols love FKKs, prostitution, etc? Unless left is right and right is left in your parlance, you are living in a twisted world. Visit South Carolina, or Utah, or Wyoming or other seriously red states, and see how much BBBJ and FKK living and loving you can obtain in those places.And I repeat: visit your left wing socialist paradise Sweden and when you land in Arlanda (Stockholm) ask the taxi driver to take you to the nearest brothel or FKK club.
p.s. It's typical for someone conditioned by the left wing mainstream media to automatically assume that "right wing" = Bible Belt = religious nutcases = burning crosses etcetera.
The Green Parties in Germany and UK supports prostitution funny enough. And I agree with others that it's not Merkel's fault for the new law.
Member #4581
04-23-17, 21:36
Because perhaps it will have serious repercussions on the FKK clubs? 🙄.
And I repeat: visit your left wing socialist paradise Sweden and when you land in Arlanda (Stockholm) ask the taxi driver to take you to the nearest brothel or FKK club.
p.s. It's typical for someone conditioned by the left wing mainstream media to automatically assume that "right wing" = Bible Belt = religious nutcases = burning crosses etcetera.You have no clue what's my party, Harry. Your rant is typical of not a left wing or right wing, but really a foolish clueless wing that tries to stereotype people that you don't even know and understand even less.
Member #4581
04-23-17, 21:44
Wandering,
I agree with you. But that's my point as well. The correlation between left / right politics and support for prostitution is generally weak at best. Prostitution is usually a local issue, at least in the US. And what's right for an American may not mean the same for a Frenchman or a German, or a Turkish. And even in the same country, this definition keeps changing. As optimist said well, people here keep bashing left and right using the same pretext, which is the coming rule change in Germany. Shows that people can't even agree on the definition, and for these to make comments on the politics of a country they are only vaguely familiar with, and that too on ISG, which is absolutely not the right forum, makes no sense.
Polyamorist
04-23-17, 21:51
Making prognostications about what will happen from July 1 in terms of prices, attendance, etc etc is a fool's errand. Let's wait and see. Things have a way of surprising all and sundry.Indeed, Prohibition was an experiment in the 1920's that resulted in many surprising innovations. Perhaps in the same way we will see a boom in "under-the-counter" blowjobs later this year. Whatever that may mean.
It's strange, the last few BBBJs I have experienced recently in FKKs have been outstanding. It feels as if the girls just don't want to let go. After so many years of practicing their art and improving their tongue skills, I guess they don't want all that to be wasted.
Imagine telling a community of painters that from now on they will have to use a latex guard for their brushes! This could in fact encourage the spread of FKK culture to other countries, as both girls and their admirers seek to preserve the original flame.
Gentlemen we could be about to witness the Diaspora of the Blowjobbers.
Hessen Bub
04-23-17, 22:04
Recently talked to a Romanian girl. She was really upset that by law she can't do CIM anymore. Ok, it was more about the 50€. She was suggesting to do covered CIM from July for the same price. Or normal sex should get more expensive to cover for the CIM ban. We will see. Especially what effect the registration will have.
HB.
Member #4585
04-23-17, 23:14
I will be in Dusseldorf and I am keen on trying out FKK clubs. But issue is that I don't think I am yet ready to fuck girls there, all I am looking for is Deep french kiss, blowjob, body play and body massage. Can I get these services in FKK and avoid fucking.
I am an Asian and not sure if girls in FKK would agree to it.You will be fine. Do not sweat it.
Member #4585
04-23-17, 23:24
Recently talked to a Romanian girl. She was really upset that by law she can't do CIM anymore. Ok, it was more about the 50. She was suggesting to do covered CIM from July for the same price. Or normal sex should get more expensive to cover for the CIM ban.
We will see. Especially what effect the registration will have.For many girls with no other opportunities or forced into the business, the effect of registration appears to be minimal from what I have heard empirically from girls when asking them about the registration requirement. There are no other options.
Setting up shop in another country takes a lot of effort and money.
It also figures that a covered CIM finish will cost 100 euro now in the mindset of some girls. Also the proposal that standard sex becomes more expensive.
Member #4585
04-23-17, 23:30
Gentlemen we could be about to witness the Diaspora of the Blowjobbers.In my conversations with fellow mongers, the general consensus is that they expect no change post 1 July 2017 law change. They expect to continue to receive BBBJ and if called to account by anyone they will happily deny the act. They also expect to pay the same prices and will not accept a price rise by the girls.
Recently talked to a Romanian girl. She was really upset that by law she can't do CIM anymore. Ok, it was more about the 50. She was suggesting to do covered CIM from July for the same price. Or normal sex should get more expensive to cover for the CIM ban. We will see. Especially what effect the registration will have.
HB.Indeed, I have a feeling some of the girls who likes doing it will still do it if they know you. But to think the average joe will be happy with both increased prices and lower service at the same time, is a bit optimistic of her.
I am not too much into german politics, but where I live, the parties more 'green' and 'liberal' are those most in favor of prostitution. While those most communistic and religious are those most against. The conservatives and social democrats fall in between, and smaller changes can sway those larger parties easily. So lets not jump to any conclusions too soon on what the world will look like in 30 years. Except for the androids and VR stuff etc.
What strikes me however is how much of a dogma it is for politicians to even discuss this. But black swan events can always make this simpler. And then maybe the feminist group in Brussels will loose some ground... also, don't underestimate Amnesty International, the forces behind that 'pro prostitution' organization is worth considering... basically, prostitution is a way to lower population growth. And what exactly does the super elite want? Yes, exactly.
FunExplorer
04-24-17, 05:33
I will be in Dusseldorf and I am keen on trying out FKK clubs. But issue is that I don't think I am yet ready to fuck girls there, all I am looking for is Deep french kiss, blowjob, body play and body massage. Can I get these services in FKK and avoid fucking.
I am an Asian and not sure if girls in FKK would agree to it.Surely you will get it happily. Most girls do DFK but of late some girls are asking extra for it. Blow job is part of the deal and girls will be happy for your not fucking them!
In my conversations with fellow mongers, the general consensus is that they expect no change post 1 July 2017 law change. They expect to continue to receive BBBJ and if called to account by anyone they will happily deny the act. They also expect to pay the same prices and will not accept a price rise by the girls.They are delusional if they think so.
We don't know exactly what will happens but it's clear what the law says. So what's the mongers going to do when the tutes refuse to BBBJ without a tip? Complain at reception?
Member #4585
04-24-17, 07:03
They are delusional if they think so.
We don't know exactly what will happens but it's clear what the law says. So what's the mongers going to do when the tutes refuse to BBBJ without a tip? Complain at reception?Haha. This is what I say to them as well. I say how can they think that there will be no change?
I say what will they do when there is an inspection and they just say that they will lie to the police. This has been discussed before on ISG that one is advised to lie to the police until the bitter end.
There will be no complaints at Reception since the guys think that the girls will not change since they will lose the business. If the girl refuses then she is denied business and customers go find a girl that will. This will be easier in a larger club when there is less ability for girls to collectivise as the numbers needed to agree are much more than in smaller clubs where everyone can see each other.
As I have said before, if many girls have decided to continue working regardless of the rule to register officially as prostitutes with the police then these girls are professionals or more or less forced into the business so will need to do something to maintain business levels.
As we are all aware, the girls already complain that they do not get enough business so if the customer base shrinks due to the foreigners departing who per Hessen Bub subsidise his spending leaving mainly locals then the pool of money that the girls are competing for becomes smaller.
TankTank123
04-24-17, 07:04
Especially what effect the registration will have.There was one effect that a girl told me about last month that I do not recollect reading in this forum. It is that they now have to declare precisely how much taxes they pay to the club. The authorities can then compare how much taxes the club collected with what it actually transferred to the tax authorities. That would then be a problem for clubs that had been pocketing some of the taxes by not transferring the full collection to the authorities. Any truth in this?
Member #4585
04-24-17, 07:09
Indeed, I have a feeling some of the girls who likes doing it will still do it if they know you. But to think the average joe will be happy with both increased prices and lower service at the same time, is a bit optimistic of her.Lower services and higher prices has already been happening for years in the clubs.
Hessen Bub
04-24-17, 09:36
So what's the mongers going to do when the tutes refuse to BBBJ without a tip? Complain at reception?No. Just never book her again and book the girl who does BBBJ without extra money or for a small tip.
HB.
ExpatLover
04-24-17, 10:27
There was one effect that a girl told me about last month that I do not recollect reading in this forum. It is that they now have to declare precisely how much taxes they pay to the club. The authorities can then compare how much taxes the club collected with what it actually transferred to the tax authorities. That would then be a problem for clubs that had been pocketing some of the taxes by not transferring the full collection to the authorities. Any truth in this?What I understood is that today the girls pay a fixed amount every day to the club:25 euros, tomorrow they will have to be registered and they will no more pay the 25 euros to the clubs, so the FKK will just have to ask the girls their special ID (registered at a prostitute) and the entry fee and the girls will have to complain / deal will all the other issues.
There was one effect that a girl told me about last month that I do not recollect reading in this forum. It is that they now have to declare precisely how much taxes they pay to the club. The authorities can then compare how much taxes the club collected with what it actually transferred to the tax authorities. That would then be a problem for clubs that had been pocketing some of the taxes by not transferring the full collection to the authorities. Any truth in this?Can be only in Hessen, because in NRW, Romanian girls are not registered and don't pay taxes. Not included in their entry rate. I was at LR on a Friday evening when a registration team arrived. One stayed at each exit, girls were registered, team entered in rooms, when I was with my girl and we didn't respect at all future law. Girls were given a number, but said they don't want to pay taxes. LR put away ashtrays and girls had to go to smoke outside in February.
If Germany want to get taxes from WGs, better to include in girls entry, like in Hessen, because they will never pay in NRW.
Hi bros,
I am visiting Paris and while coming back to my country I have a stopover at Frankfurt for 19 hrs. I would like to use this time visiting the FKK club.
I will be holding the Schengen Visa.
Can you please suggest the good and nearest clubs to kill my time.
Your help will be more cost saving and planning to me.
RoyTheExplorer
04-24-17, 13:11
No. Just never book her again and book the girl who does BBBJ without extra money or for a small tip.
HB.Supply and demand will dictate the new unwritten rules, it will depend on which side will push harder.
"left wing socialist paradise Sweden"
"It's typical for someone conditioned by the left wing mainstream media"Well, I certainly see somebody conditioned by Fox news.
Surely you will get it happily. Most girls do DFK but of late some girls are asking extra for it. Blow job is part of the deal and girls will be happy for your not fucking them!Thanks a lot. Would you recommend any FKK clubs in Dusseldorf for first timer? I read some threads where people were not allowed in FKK, so want to avoid those.
ExpatLover
04-24-17, 20:15
In my conversations with fellow mongers, the general consensus is that they expect no change post 1 July 2017 law change. They expect to continue to receive BBBJ and if called to account by anyone they will happily deny the act. They also expect to pay the same prices and will not accept a price rise by the girls.May be but nothing is sure, especially how many girls will remain in the clubs just because some are refusing even today to start the process of being register, they will have to quit this job in Germany.
Banana Boi
04-24-17, 22:18
Thanks a lot. Would you recommend any FKK clubs in Dusseldorf for first timer? I read some threads where people were not allowed in FKK, so want to avoid those.What nationality are you? If you are dark skinned I'd recommend going to Cologne and trying Samya and Mondial. Otherwise heading northeast to Acapulco.
I have a stopover at Frankfurt for 19 hrs.
From what time til what time? I think Sharks is the consensus club at this time. If you have no car and want to stay near FRA you may want to try Mainhattan. There's also World, Palace, and Oase. Read the threads and decide according to the types of girls you prefer and your ability to keep girls from upselling.
I have 14 hours in Koln / Dusseldorf between 5 pm and 7 am on a Wednesday night. Which club should I check out? So much information here and none of it consistent.
Thinking of FKK Living Room, Dolce Vita, Oceans, Golden time, or Samya. Even thinking of Babylon but it closes early.
Highest priority is quality of women. I'm really into exotic; so black or Hispanic or Turkish women.
Don't care about size of the club but I prefer big (looking to relax). Don't care about smoking. And free beer is always a pro.
What do y'all think? I see oceans and golden time is slipping, Dolce Vita and living room have some good reviews but looks crowded. Thinking maybe go to largest so less chance of disappointment.
What nationality are you? If you are dark skinned I'd recommend going to Cologne and trying Samya and Mondial. Otherwise heading northeast to Acapulco.I am an Asian, brown skin from Bangladesh. Any suggestions for Dusseldorf?
I have 14 hours in Koln / Dusseldorf between 5 pm and 7 am on a Wednesday night. Which club should I check out? So much information here and none of it consistent.
Thinking of FKK Living Room, Dolce Vita, Oceans, Golden time, or Samya. Even thinking of Babylon but it closes early.
Highest priority is quality of women. I'm really into exotic; so black or Hispanic or Turkish women.
Don't care about size of the club but I prefer big (looking to relax). Don't care about smoking. And free beer is always a pro.
What do y'all think? I see oceans and golden time is slipping, Dolce Vita and living room have some good reviews but looks crowded. Thinking maybe go to largest so less chance of disappointment.GT close at 1 am on Wednesday, Samya at 3 am, LR at 4 am Aca at 3 am, Oceans I think at 5 am. Also Mondial in Koln.
Samya for Koln / Bonn, LR or Aca for Dusseldorf.
Wednesday is a low casting day.
Polyamorist
04-25-17, 11:11
As we are all aware, the girls already complain that they do not get enough business so if the customer base shrinks due to the foreigners departing who per Hessen Bub subsidise his spending leaving mainly locals then the pool of money that the girls are competing for becomes smaller.Good point. I was just kidding about the Blowjob Diaspora really. In fact I think all of this amounts to a lot of politicians huffing and puffing and nothing much will change in the long run.
Suppose on July 1, 90% of clubs tried to insist on this unworkable rule. They would be ghost towns and all the mongers would flock to the 10% of clubs that ignored it. One by one all the other FKKs would have to forget it too in order to stay in business.
How would they try to enforce it anyway? Laws that try to govern what consenting adults do in private are always unenforceable, as well as just being terrible ideas.
Most likely the clubs will realize all this from the beginning, and all will ignore it. So it will be left to the girls -- the worst ones -- to try to insist on it. But the worst girls will always try to insist on reduced services anyway and we know well enough to avoid them, so no change there.
What nationality are you? If you are dark skinned I'd recommend going to Cologne and trying Samya and Mondial. Otherwise heading northeast to Acapulco.
From what time til what time? I think Sharks is the consensus club at this time. If you have no car and want to stay near FRA you may want to try Mainhattan. There's also World, Palace, and Oase. Read the threads and decide according to the types of girls you prefer and your ability to keep girls from upselling.My landing at Frankfurt is at 4 pm and return flight next day 1 pm. I do not have car, I will be using public transport. I am looking for quality girls and pocket friendly clubs. I can speak only English. Please suggest bro.
Just wait till Martin Schultz and his Green Khmer coalition buddies take over after the September elections.
If anyone wants a preview, book yourself a ticket to Sweden which is one of those left wing progressive Utopias that has been governed by socialists and neo-communists (Greens) for decades, and try to find an FKK club or brothel there. 🤢Put politely, bullshit. It was primarily the Green Party which made prostitution more mainstream about 15 years ago, in coalition with the SPD, who also supported it. They haven't changed their policies. The SPD is now in coalition with the CDU, but is the junior partner, and it is the CDU pushing the current changes.
Yes, the situation in Scandinavia, especially Sweden, is different, but then the Left is different there. There are left-wing people who support prostitution as part of personal freedom etc, and those who oppose it because they think that it demeans women. On the right, there are people who support it based on personal freedom (but these are rare) and those who oppose it because they think that it is immoral.
Summary: prostitution has been legal in Germany for a long time, and it was the SPD / Green coalition which improved the status about 15 years ago. It is the conservative party, the CDU, now in power who has always wanted to restrict it more.
You are barking up the wrong tree.
Sweden is not comparable to Germany in this respect, nor in many other respects. One example: in Sweden, essentially all information is public, and this is supported by society, especially the Left, as good for transparency and honesty (which it is). In Germany, there is a huge emphasis on data protection, especially by the left.
The only chance to get the current trend result is a coalition of the SPD and the Greens! Believe me! I live here, I know what is going on.
The Greens for all their faults tend to strongly support adults rights to engage in consensual sex in private, that is certainly the case in Ireland and The UK! However, ironically, the only MP they have at Westminister, Caroline Lucas, who is also a co-leader, is a frothing at the mouth supporter of the insane Swedish Model!
The nay sayers in Scandinavia in the socialist and conservative parties are usually aged 50+. While the youth parties in general are much more open to prostitution. I think there could be change even in Scandinavia as time goes by and the populace get less religious.
It makes sense that CDU is the most restrictive in Germany too as that corresponds well to the idea of religious abstinence... christian democrats in Scandinavia are also by far the most against prostitution. But where the largely religious immigrants stand on this issue is up for concern.
GT close at 1 am on Wednesday, Samya at 3 am, LR at 4 am Aca at 3 am, Oceans I think at 5 am. Also Mondial in Koln.
Samya for Koln / Bonn, LR or Aca for Dusseldorf.
Wednesday is a low casting day.Hey,
Thanks for all of this. But isn't Living Room really small, so less choice? Is the small selection at living room really better than the variety at oceans? But again everyone is saying oceans is awful. I'm going thru the Samya girls and I dunno, is the selection more diverse and better than the website?
What?
I live here. Hardly anybody is religious except the Muslims. You do know that if someone is ethnic Swedish and religious other people will point out that the religious person is Christian (as opposed to the majority of Swedes who are atheist).
Furthermore almost all people are socially progressive. In fact, that may be exactly why some policies that are wildly unpopular with the MAGA crowd were implemented. When someone says they're against prostitution openly they're just posing and putting forward some crazy neo-liberal argument. They don't neither need nor want to see prostitution around. There's also no difference between ages. If anything the younger ones are even more crazy than the older ones.
And one more thing. If you, like me, like to attend these types of clubs, you take great care to keep quiet about it. The only times I've heard Swedish spoken in clubs (mostly Artemis) it's been by Arabs, Turks etc who live in Sweden.
The nay sayers in scandinavia in the socialist and conservative parties are usually aged 50+. While the youth parties in general are much more open to prostitution. I think there could be change even in scandinavia as time goes by and the populace get less religious.
It makes sense that CDU is the most restrictive in germany too as that corresponds well to the idea of religious abstinence... christian democrats in scandinavia are also by far the most against prostitution. But where the largely religious immigrants stand on this issue is up for concern.
Mr CrankyPants
04-25-17, 19:07
Hi all,
Looking forward to being in FKK land for the first time. In the last week of June. The end of an era, it would seem. Glad I'll be able to see what it was like for myself before the whole thing evolves.
I've got two days, making my way north from Frankfurt to Amsterdam, so I'm thinking of going to one mega-club like Sharks, and one tiny one (kicking it old school at Bernds, perhaps?) so I can get a sense of both ends of the spectrum. Good idea, you think?
Anyway, back to the point. My question is regarding etiquette. I know from reading the forum that when a girl has a towel wrapped around her waist, it's the equivalent of a taxi with the "Not in Service" light on. However, does this mean that she doesn't want to be approached or even talked to at all?
If I see a real looker, with a towel wrapped around her waist, is it bad form to approach her, say Hi, and something like, "I don't want to bother you, but please come find me when you're ready," or something non intrusive like that? Or would that be disrespecting the custom of leaving the girls alone when they're sporting a towel?
Thanks,
MCP.
My landing at Frankfurt is at 4 pm and return flight next day 1 pm. I do not have car, I will be using public transport. I am looking for quality girls and pocket friendly clubs. I can speak only English. Please suggest bro.Stay in Frankfurt area, I would go to Shark or Oase.
For Shark. Use Direct bus called Airliner on Bus stop 14 (13?) outside terminal 1. It cost you E8-9. It take you directly to Darmsdadt main train station where you can take cab (12-13 E) to Shark.
The bus run every 30 min or 1 HR if it is not rush hour.
For Oase. You need to take regional train S8 or S9 to Frankfurt main train station and change to S5 to Friedrichsdolf. From there, you take cab for 10 e to the club. It is about 1-2 HR journey.
Have Fun!
Ararat: I think you are confusing media sway with political ideology.
Banana Boi
04-25-17, 23:04
I know from reading the forum that when a girl has a towel wrapped around her waist, it's the equivalent of a taxi with the "Not in Service" light on. However, does this mean that she doesn't want to be approached or even talked to at all?Not what it means at all. Not sure where you read this. She's likely just cold or just doesn't want Pistons to see her pussy.
Mr CrankyPants
04-25-17, 23:13
Not what it means at all. Not sure where you read this. She's likely just cold or just doesn't want Pistons to see her pussy.Oh! Oh.
Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding.
Tough break, Pistons.
UltraHappy
04-25-17, 23:48
Living Room is a better choice than Oceans from a service standpoint. I would avoid Oceans if I were you -- you can ignore Pistons who appears to be trying to steer the tourists to Oceans.
Samya is a reasonable choice also. I personally prefer Living Room over Samya.
Just my opinion.
The best would be to visit all of them multiple times on multiple days over multiple times to see which ones you personally prefer.
Unfortunately, nobody here is going to be able to extend you a money-back guarantee or anything like that.
Hey,
Thanks for all of this. But isn't Living Room really small, so less choice? Is the small selection at living room really better than the variety at oceans? But again everyone is saying oceans is awful. I'm going thru the Samya girls and I dunno, is the selection more diverse and better than the website?
UltraHappy
04-25-17, 23:55
Hi all,
My question is regarding etiquette. I know from reading the forum that when a girl has a towel wrapped around her waist, it's the equivalent of a taxi with the "Not in Service" light on. However, does this mean that she doesn't want to be approached or even talked to at all?
If I see a real looker, with a towel wrapped around her waist, is it bad form to approach her, say Hi, and something like, "I don't want to bother you, but please come find me when you're ready," or something non intrusive like that? Or would that be disrespecting the custom of leaving the girls alone when they're sporting a towel?
Sometimes it means that, sometimes it just means she is cold or shy. If she is sitting around with a towel wrapped around her, then go talk with her if you feel like chatting with her.
If she is running through the club with a towel wrapped around her wearing slippers instead of her high heeled shoes, this likely means she is "out of service," making a quick trip from the room to restroom or something. In that case, it probably doesn't make sense to chase after her and tackle her as she is likely "out-of-service" so-to-speak. Usually, though not always, her wearing slippers means that she stole a guy's slippers from the room for a quick excursion out of the room before returning to the room (for example, to get more condoms, get something to drink, to wee-wee, get more lube, etc) -- much quicker and easier to run around in slippers than those giant high-heeled shoes.
Member #4585
04-25-17, 23:59
My question is regarding etiquette. I know from reading the forum that when a girl has a towel wrapped around her waist, it's the equivalent of a taxi with the "Not in Service" light on. However, does this mean that she doesn't want to be approached or even talked to at all?
If I see a real looker, with a towel wrapped around her waist, is it bad form to approach her, say Hi, and something like, "I don't want to bother you, but please come find me when you're ready," or something non intrusive like that? Or would that be disrespecting the custom of leaving the girls alone when they're sporting a towel?.Yes, that is how I see it. Girls with towels around themselves covering them are out of service.
If they want business then they are nude.
I don't approach towel covered girls at dinner either. That is their time.
Girls don't like the taste of dirty old man dick so some will use the law to avoid it.
Member #4460
04-26-17, 02:28
Girls don't like the taste of dirty old man dick so some will use the law to avoid it.The taste of rubber is kind of bad too. One girl I knew said she hated that taste!
However, I know of one girl who would probably welcome a condom! There was one man (not old but maybe in his 30's) from the UK who came in and didn't shower before going out to the main area (how do I know he didn't shower? While I was washing up, that man just looked at the showers and left the room without washing). When the girl was ready to blow him, she noticed this crusty stuff on his dick and said, "Ew! Smegma!" (which I turned to see what was going on). The poor chap went to the showers to wash the stuff off!
Member #4585
04-26-17, 02:39
The taste of rubber is kind of bad too. One girl I knew said she hated that taste!
However, I know of one girl who would probably welcome a condom! There was one man (not old but maybe in his 30's) from the UK who came in and didn't shower before going out to the main area (how do I know he didn't shower? While I was washing up, that man just looked at the showers and left the room without washing). When the girl was ready to blow him, she noticed this crusty stuff on his dick and said, "Ew! Smegma!" (which I turned to see what was going on). The poor chap went to the showers to wash the stuff off!How did you see the girl was going to blow him? Was this in a public sex area of a club like at FKK Dietzenbach?
Not what it means at all. Not sure where you read this. She's likely just cold or just doesn't want Pistons to see her pussy.True, Pistons can shoot from anywhere. LOL.
Member #4460
04-26-17, 04:07
How did you see the girl was going to blow him? Was this in a public sex area of a club like at FKK Dietzenbach?It was out in the open when she said, "Ew! Smegma!" Usually, couch action like BJ and then go to the room.
Hey,
Thanks for all of this. But isn't Living Room really small, so less choice? Is the small selection at living room really better than the variety at oceans? But again everyone is saying oceans is awful. I'm going thru the Samya girls and I dunno, is the selection more diverse and better than the website?Wednesday is a low casting day everywhere except Sharks with discount day. You may find about 30/40 girls at Samya after 5 pm, don t believe their planning, maybe 25 at LR at 6 pm, but quantity is not quality, LR is for me the highest in Germany for girls services, the only one to compete with Switzerland.
Living Room is a better choice than Oceans from a service standpoint. I would avoid Oceans if I were you -- you can ignore Pistons who appears to be trying to steer the tourists to Oceans.
Samya is a reasonable choice also. I personally prefer Living Room over Samya.
Just my opinion.I agree with you about LR, with higher services level for me than Oceans and Samya, even some pretty girls and high level Katea and Valentina at Samya. I was also the only one to write I enjoyed World every Saturday on Winter 2014/2015, maybe Pistons just found good girls for his tastes at Oceans. I didn't, but blond Emma. De at Oceans was the prettiest girl I saw in FKK since many months. Unfortunately, never saw her again.
Better to write just about what we really know.
Ararat: I think you are confusing media sway with political ideology.Again, I live here. I speak the language and am part of the culture.
You've read Breitbart or the German equivalent. On my last visit to Oase there was a guy who tried to tell me what the situation is in Sweden. Was that you?
On my last visit to Oase there was a guy who tried to tell me what the situation is in Sweden. Was that you?Not likely.
Everyone knows sweden situation is bad. Why are we talk about sweden?
Valentina too sad now. 2014 valentina was better.
Vito Corleone
04-26-17, 08:17
Better to write just about what we really know.That's a good one! People should use it to report real woman behavior / my favorite ignored 75 waiting men just to kiss & hug me.
ExpatLover
04-26-17, 08:39
The taste of rubber is kind of bad too. One girl I knew said she hated that taste!
However, I know of one girl who would probably welcome a condom! There was one man (not old but maybe in his 30's) from the UK who came in and didn't shower before going out to the main area (how do I know he didn't shower? While I was washing up, that man just looked at the showers and left the room without washing). When the girl was ready to blow him, she noticed this crusty stuff on his dick and said, "Ew! Smegma!" (which I turned to see what was going on). The poor chap went to the showers to wash the stuff off!Yes some guys just don't wash to put additional pressure to the girls, they like to be dirty and are happy to force the girls to suck him like this, fortunately many girls will refuse.
Member #4585
04-26-17, 08:41
Valentina too sad now. 2014 valentina was better.This is sad to know.
Valentina in 2014 was amazing. She did all the naughty things I liked.
Horny Harry
04-26-17, 13:19
Anyway, back to the point. My question is regarding etiquette. I know from reading the forum that when a girl has a towel wrapped around her waist, it's the equivalent of a taxi with the "Not in Service" light on. However, does this mean that she doesn't want to be approached or even talked to at all?
If I see a real looker, with a towel wrapped around her waist, is it bad form to approach her, say Hi, and something like, "I don't want to bother you, but please come find me when you're ready," or something non intrusive like that? Or would that be disrespecting the custom of leaving the girls alone when they're sporting a towel?
Thanks,
MCP.I've done that lots of times and it always resulted in a very good session.
Working Girls are just like any other woman: they really like compliments and attention, especially when (towel wrapped around them, wearing ugly men's flip-flops) they least expect it.
I always say something similar to what you suggested, like: "Hi, I know you're busy, but I think you're really beautiful and want to know your name and I hope we can meet up soon once you're free. " In 100% of all the cases, she returned my smile with a naughty sparkle in her eyes, and once she was free and I would run into her again, a great session followed. Dominika (PL) is a girl I once met like this, but unfortunately she's no longer works at Sharks.
I don't see anything wrong with it. Except for the 30-60 seconds it takes to quickly say "hello" and give her a compliment and say that you want to meet her once she is free, you're not interfering with the other guest / customer, you're not stealing the girl away from him, but at the same time you're honest and tell her you like her and that you really want to spend time with her when you see her again.
Girls are there to make money, so they also like having their next appointment lined up.
I don't approach towel covered girls at dinner either. That is their time.
Okay, I also don't approach them at dinner, but the dining area is nice for flirting (eye contact) if you're really interested in a popular girl that is hard to get.
The nay sayers in Scandinavia in the socialist and conservative parties are usually aged 50+. While the youth parties in general are much more open to prostitution.Unfortunately not true.
When someone says they're against prostitution openly they're just posing and putting forward some crazy neo-liberal argument. There's also no difference between ages. If anything the younger ones are even more crazy than the older ones.Unfortunately true.
T.
ExpatLover
04-26-17, 19:31
I've done that lots of times and it always resulted in a very good session.
Working Girls are just like any other woman: they really like complements and attention, especially when (towel warped around them, wearing ugly men's flip-flops) they least expect it. 😘
I always say something similar to what you suggested, like: "Hi, I know you're busy, but I think you're really beautiful and want to know your name and I hope we can meet up soon once you're free. " In 100% of all the cases, she returned my smile with a naughty sparkle in her eyes, and once she was free and I would run into her again, a great session followed. Dominika (PL) is a girl I once met like this, but unfortunately she's no longer works at Sharks..Fully agree with you except for the dinner part, I don t hesitate to go to a girl even she is eating saying Hello sorry to disturb if you want it would be a pleasure for me to go with you after you finish, always the girl is very happy and proud because she is showing her friends that she has success.
Polyamorist
04-27-17, 10:52
Put politely, bullshit. It was primarily the Green Party which made prostitution more mainstream about 15 years ago, in coalition with the SPD, who also supported it.The Green Party have long been active in protecting the Polar Bears. They don't want to see us go extinct!
Horny Harry
04-27-17, 21:57
The Green Party have long been active in protecting the Polar Bears. They don't want to see us go extinct!Hahaha! Good one!
P.S. Here's a very short video about a 'Green' politician (n. Be. The president of Austria!) for everybody who still can't recognise the neo communist wolf beneath the sheep's clothing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ260SnjsWY.
Quick translation for anyone who doesn't speak German: "...If things continue this way, and here I'm already jumping to the next question, that because of the increase in islamophobia, one day will come that we will ask ALL women to wear a headscarf, ALL! Out of solidarity with the women who wear a headscarf out of religious grounds. "
Pretty soon headscarves and burkas for the ladies in GT Vienna 'out of solidarity?'
What we can fear is feminists in brussels and elsewhere who are having a hard time keeping their husband from spending money on tutes. Basically women don't feel like the p6 industry is fair to them as there is nothing simillair for them (and there are more than one reason for that). And creative media sway where they mix up trafficing with p6. Which is two separate cases, but the feminists in power don't want to draw a line there (it is easy to get rid of trafficking) and allow one thing while avoiding the other. So it is allways mentionned in the same context.
Citizen Kane
04-27-17, 23:21
What I want to know is why aren't feminists supporting Le Pen? ;-)
ExpatLover
04-28-17, 04:43
What I want to know is why aren't feminists supporting Le Pen?LE Pen voters are coming from all the different categories of the french society including migrant and muslim and of course feminist. It is a melting pot of many people who desperate about the answers or acts from the traditional political leaders concerning the deep changes that occurs in the western society over the last decades.
I will be visiting NRW in a few weeks and I will have the opportunity to visit 2 clubs in the evenings. Although I have visited a few FKK's in a few years ago I'm expecting many things to have changed, so this is a call for a recommendation to help me make the best use of my time!
- DFK is *very* important, so any club where it's not common, I will struggle I think.
- I prefer large clubs where you can escape, use the facilities and just do your own thing for a while.
- A place which is open until the early hours and on the weekend (I will only be around on Friday and Saturday nights).
- I will be driving so location I'm not too bothered about, as long as it's less than maybe 70/80 mins from Dusseldorf airport.
What do you think?
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