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She is close to a 10 to me, not quite but damn close.
https://www.tube8.com/teen/blond-teen-fucked-what%27s-her-name/212181/Great idea to get a reference point because as they say, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
Based on my limited FKK / Suana club experience (I only have 6 years FKK experience) I can say you would find lots of 10's in most poplars clubs in Hessian, NRW, Artimis of Germany, GT of Vienna and Globe of Zurich.
She is close to a 10 to me, not quite but damn close.
https://www.tube8.com/teen/blond-teen-fucked-what%27s-her-name/212181/Great idea to get a reference point because as they say, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
Based on my limited FKK / Suana club experience (I only have 6 years FKK experience) I can say you would find lots of 10's in most popular clubs in Hessian, NRW, Berlin (Artemis) of Germany, GT of Vienna andrGlobe of Zurich. Just remember LUs are very dynamic and change day to day. Its like the luck of the draw. We tourists have to prepare for occasional disappointment based on the time of our visits.
MarquisdeSade1
06-06-17, 05:52
Great idea to get a reference point because as they say, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
Based on my limited FKK / Suana club experience (I only have 6 years FKK experience) I can say you would find lots of 10's in most popular clubs in Hessian, NRW, Berlin (Artemis) of Germany, GT of Vienna andrGlobe of Zurich. Just remember LUs are very dynamic and change day to day. Its like the luck of the draw. We tourists have to prepare for occasional disappointment based on the time of our visits."Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get".
Remember this when mongering.
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Great idea to get a reference point because as they say, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
Based on my limited FKK / Suana club experience (I only have 6 years FKK experience) I can say you would find lots of 10's in most popular clubs in Hessian, NRW, Berlin (Artemis) of Germany, GT of Vienna andrGlobe of Zurich. Just remember LUs are very dynamic and change day to day. Its like the luck of the draw. We tourists have to prepare for occasional disappointment based on the time of our visits.I find only a few really pretty girls in FKK. On a Saturday on end of July 2014, I visited World, then Oase, then Sharks and didn't find, among maybe 150 girls, any attractive enough girl to pay for sex with her. I often left GT, or Sharks, or World, or Oase, without any girl done. I'm not interested by only sex, I need attraction.
What is a pretty girl for me:
When you get a one of the girls for an hour, do you have a full hour? Do you get as many shots within the hour or is it up after your first shot?
When you get a one of the girls for an hour, do you have a full hour? Do you get as many shots within the hour or is it up after your first shot?At an one hour session are usually two shots included and an hour should be an hour.
Are you saying that Sabina ScarJo is back in FKK business? Or were you listing her as an all time fave? I thought she had long since retired / moved on.Sabina / Ramona / SJ retiered around two years ago.
What is a pretty girl for me:From upline left to downline right.
1 = 8,75.
2 = 9,0.
3 = 8,0 (I don't like her face).
4 = 9,0
5 = 9,5.
Girls like this you have chance to find at least one at every larger FKK club in Germany. For me Finca Irina beats your number 1 - 4 girls and is at same optic level like your number 5 girl.
I can say you would find lots of 10's in most popular clubs in Hessian, NRW, Berlin (Artemis) of Germany, GT of Vienna andrGlobe of Zurich.Lots of 10's ?
I find in none of these clubs. Yep lots of 8's. At larger clubs with a good line up in best case 3 or 4 9's but 10's. I think I found in total no more than twenty girls I rate a 10 in now 12 years FKKing with more than 1000 club visits.
And many of these maybe twenty 10s I've seen were a total service disaster. For instance in winter 2012 Cynthia a 10 at Oase was a total service disaster, her room performance was zero. Same with Mainhattan/Oase Casey in 2013/14 also optic a 10 and zero service.
10s with same service level are the rare exception like at Atlanta German Laura in 2009/10 or Romanian Misha in 2012 or at Oase German Cassandra in summer 2012.
AzureDrake
06-08-17, 07:29
I'm planning a short 2 night stay on my way back from the holiday, and am interested in the FKK scene.
What city would you recommend for me to start the FKKing if I come in August? How is Frankfurt? I would be the easiest stop-over since I plan to travel by plane.
ExpatLover
06-08-17, 07:42
Lots of 10's ?
I find in none of these clubs. Yep lots of 8's. At larger clubs with a good line up in best case 3 or 4 9's but 10's. I think I found in total no more than twenty girls I rate a 10 in now 12 years FKKing with more than 1000 club visits.
And many of these maybe twenty 10s I've seen were a total service disaster. For instance in winter 2012 Cynthia a 10 at Oase was a total service disaster, her room performance was zero. Same with Mainhattan/Oase Casey in 2013/14 also optic a 10 and zero service.
10s with same service level are the rare exception like at Atlanta German Laura in 2009/10 or Romanian Misha in 2012 or at Oase German Cassandra in summer 2012.Sorry it is changing what 8, 9 6, for me the girl must be clean (most important criteria) , with a nice skin, with the body I like, be sweet, listen to what I like it is far enough I don't want to marry her.
From upline left to downline right.
1 = 8,75.
2 = 9,0.
3 = 8,0 (I don't like her face).
4 = 9,0
5 = 9,5.
Girls like this you have chance to find at least one at every larger FKK club in Germany. For me Finca Irina beats your number 1 - 4 girls and is at same optic level like your number 5 girl.I know, except for Dani. Ro who is not a top beauty for me, we don t have same tastes for beauty and kind of sex, but can You give me names at Mainhattan, Oase and Sharks at the moment, who can compete for beauty with these Russian escorts? Sabina, Megan, Madi World could compete for my tastes, Marina Mainhattan also but average level so no repeat. I have to make a pit stop at Finca to give a look at Irina. Evelyn was really pretty last Summer, for me.
What city would you recommend for me to start the FKKing if I come in August? How is Frankfurt? I would be the easiest stop-over since I plan to travel by plane.Frankfurt is together with Duesseldorf the best option for FKKing.
Banana Boi
06-08-17, 14:14
I can say you would find lots of 10's 10's that I can think of off the top of my head:
Karin at Sharks (2015).
Erica (Russian) at GT (2012).
Ella at Sixsens (2014).
Adrianna at World (2011).
I don't even think I saw a single 9 on my last trip. Best one imo would be my Mondial girl. I'd give her a 8. 5 but 10+ in attitude.
10's that I can think of off the top of my head:
Karin at Sharks (2015).
Erica (Russian) at GT (2012).
Ella at Sixsens (2014).
Adrianna at World (2011).
I don't even think I saw a single 9 on my last trip. Best one imo would be my Mondial girl. I'd give her a 8. 5 but 10+ in attitude.Tastes are an individual thing. Erica and Ella I don't know but I know Karin and Adrianna, both are for me no 10, both in best case a 9.
How would you rate GT / ACA Kate?
Lots of 10's ?
I find in none of these clubs. Yep lots of 8's. At larger clubs with a good line up in best case 3 or 4 9's but 10's. I think I found in total no more than twenty girls I rate a 10 in now 12 years FKKing with more than 1000 club visits.
And many of these maybe twenty 10s I've seen were a total service disaster. For instance in winter 2012 Cynthia a 10 at Oase was a total service disaster, her room performance was zero. Same with Mainhattan/Oase Casey in 2013/14 also optic a 10 and zero service.
10s with same service level are the rare exception like at Atlanta German Laura in 2009/10 or Romanian Misha in 2012 or at Oase German Cassandra in summer 2012.LOL. I didn't mean that statement to be a blanket statement. It definitely would appear that way if taken out of context. I was answering MarquisdeSade1's question on availability of 10's in FKKs by giving Miriama Kunkelova as his baseline 10 (or close to it). So I replied that he would find lot of girls like that who happens to be close to 10 for him.
I tend to avoid making blanket statement like that because as we all know we all have our tastes and preferences. I don't / can't rate girl's beauty using a number. I know when I see one. Sometimes I may see same girl's beauty differently based on my mood. Who said only women have mood swings?
MarquisdeSade1
06-09-17, 02:45
I arrived at Sharks today around 2 p and was really quite disappointed in what I found, that being said I'm going to be here for awhile so I just walked around and did some more research speaking w / the girls etc.
Finally I ran across Bianca ID call her face maybe an 8 one of the prettiest working which isn't saying much, I told her I've been there many times, and was just stopping by. She said 100 if I wanted kissing and / or DATY, for 60 mins minimum, I said I'll have to pass and she got angry and got nothing but dirty looks for the next 8 hrs from her (I never her seen her smile in 8 hrs), and she did say very angrily, only suk and fuk is included in price if you don't believe me go ask the desk so I did, and she (Diana) got a bit agitated and said there is nothing as a minimum its against the law to tell they girls what they must do, so I go back inside to hunt I must say at least 90% of the bodies I see are really awesome, the faces? Not so much, I don't drink but I would have to be drunk to kiss or fuk 90% of them only 1-2 fat girls (so 90% awesome bodies 90% shitty faces) not many 8's, no 9's, no 10's.
Not many men maybe 10-15 not may girls maybe 20? So as time goes by more trickle in (men and women) then I run across an older blonde? Age? 30 ish? At the bar Sandi? Sandra? (solid 8 face, service maybe a 9) she says 100, there's a new law, I say yeah I know about the new law it doesn't start until July 1, she then gets quiet then after a bit says OK 50 as I was just walking away, she provides nice service but I think she was a bit resentful that I didn't bite at the 100. Good service but a bit business like for my tastes I should not complain considering what my options were, I'm just laying out everything, I don't know if I would repeat but if I couldn't find anything else I might out of necessity, as the day moves on more people roll in including a super nice guy from ISG, I won't mention who it was because I don't know if he wants me posting his whereabouts on the internet w / o his permission BTW I don't really appreciate the name of the place? Sharks? Is that an attempt to minimize the tactics of most of these girls? By pointing it out to be funny? Hahaha.
Its a pretty nice place, very big, very nice yard, food was pretty lame I didn't eat much all day after flying across several time zones, I will need to make up for it today, there were many things I like about the place, unlike USA you don't have huge bouncers walking around watching every move you make, the place never got crowded which is insane if this was the USA the club would be packed 7 days a week, many shitty clubs are even packed after 9 pm Sun-Thurs, I wonder if its because that 65 entry? In USA its $10 Sun-Thurs and they stuff them in (no free food or drinks of course / a glass bottle of voss is $15) I love the fact that they keep the music low, in the USA they crank the music to about 90% when they open and about 110% after about 8 pm to closing, its as loud as many rock concerts, overall I had one good session at 5 pm and wanted another 1-2?
And searched hard for another 5 hrs and didn't find anything, I spoke w / a few that I would try in my next visits, but they want 100 min? I'm a frugal monger because I don't believe in overpaying, if a girl must have 100 she's prob a ***** so I'm probably better off keeping my money for some sweetheart that isn't so greedy, I hear many many complaints from the German locals (all pretty cool guys) about all the romies, I don't have any issues with any color pussy, all I ask is you be pretty / sweet / and not be greedy hahaha for example I met a girl from Kenya and she did the 100 nonsense and I said good bye, while I didn't fly to Germany to do girls from Kenya if she was smart she could have some of my money I believe I must hold the line on prices even if other mongers don't? If all guys give into 100 today tomorrow they will shift their gears to asking for min 150 and so on and so, WARNING that pool is super cold, I stuck my foot in, so out pure boredom I decided to jump in for a shock a few times, overall a good time.
Hope today is better because I will be back there until I head to my next club.
Any questions feel free to I'm.
And again many thanks to you guys that answered my questions and share what you find on here!!
Can't wait to see what other clubs have, I will be hitting Oase gt lr soon and maybe Aamya / Aca?
I hope the weekend will produce some stunners? In the USA many of the stunners only work FRI / SAT.
10's that I can think of off the top of my head:
Karin at Sharks (2015).I was a big fan of Karin. Great eye candy.
Tastes are an individual thing. Erica and Ella I don't know but I know Karin and Adrianna, both are for me no 10, both in best case a 9.
How would you rate GT / ACA Kate?Karin who was at Sharks until Easter 2016, 8.5 for me.
Megan 9 for her Russian face, model body and skin quality.
Kate, 8 for face, 9 for curvy body.
Madi World, 9 for classy sophisticated look and curvy body.
Dina. Hu, 8.
Janine. De Sharks, 7 for face, 8,5 for body.
Beatrice ex Oase, 7 for face, 9 for body.
Among my 5 Russian escorts, prettiest for real was Vava number 4, a real natural dark blond hair, when she felt asleep after sex at 3 or 4 am, I looked at her full naked for a few minutes, before leaving.
If you had 2 days to go to any FKK club in Frankfurt, for Wednesday and Thursday, which ones would you go to? I'm going to Frankfurt next month and need some advice.
UltraHappy
06-09-17, 23:56
And searched hard for another 5 hrs and didn't find anything, I spoke w / a few that I would try in my next visits, but they want 100 min? I'm a frugal monger because I don't believe in overpaying, if a girl must have 100 she's prob a ***** so I'm probably better off keeping my money for some sweetheart that isn't so greedy,
I met a girl from Kenya and she did the 100 nonsense and I said good bye, while I didn't fly to Germany to do girls from Kenya if she was smart she could have some of my money I believe I must hold the line on prices even if other mongers don't? If all guys give into 100 today tomorrow they will shift their gears to asking for min 150 and so on and so,
Good job holding the line! Way to go!
I would totally walk away from the sharky girls doing that minimum 1 hour for this and that nonsense.
It's too bad that there's so many guys out there who give in to these tactics. Much better to simply starve the sharky girls.
ExpatLover
06-10-17, 12:49
Good job holding the line! Way to go!
I would totally walk away from the sharky girls doing that minimum 1 hour for this and that nonsense.
It's too bad that there's so many guys out there who give in to these tactics. Much better to simply starve the sharky girls.Yes of course, but you are all very good in this, but when I want to get great GFE, with one of the best looking girl in a big FKK, or I pay 50 for 30 minutes and get just mechanical sex and if I book a girl for many long sessions after several weeks I just get a very nice GFE with a girl without stress. Sorry but I have no interest in mechanical / animal sex. The pretty girls are aware of their value don t believe they are stupid.
Price system of Pearls has almost more extras than a Mercedes price list. For instance you pay extra for BBBJ and many more things.I thought it was interesting reading that BBBJ is 25 E extra at the brothel "Club Pearls". And another 25 E for DFK. But also that there is no extra charge if the session is 1 h. And this is a high end brothel?
It just shows that there is no logic when some FKK girls are asking 50 E extra for such services.
http://www.club-pearls.de/en/prices
YamaYama0519
06-11-17, 21:52
I found this notice at FKK ROM today.
Neurosynth
06-12-17, 01:41
I found this notice at FKK ROM today.It looks to me to be not predictive of BBBJ or even BBFS going away. It's more like indemnification for the FKK owner. Translation follows:
* * *.
CONDOM DUTY.
Dear guests,
We have to point out that from 01.07. 2017 in our house a concession exists.
Please keep this agreement. If this is not the case, you can count on a penalty of up to € 50,000.
Note.
As before, prostitutes offer their services in their own name and for their own account, and reckon their own names and do not act on behalf of the holder of the prostitute act!
The provision of sexual services is agreed exclusively between the prostitutes and their clients or customers and is not part of the entry fee.
YamaYama0519
06-12-17, 05:31
It looks to me to be not predictive of BBBJ or even BBFS going away. It's more like indemnification for the FKK owner. Translation follows...Thank you for translation.
It looks to me to be not predictive of BBBJ or even BBFS going away. It's more like indemnification for the FKK owner. Translation follows:
* * *.
CONDOM DUTY.
Dear guests,
We have to point out that from 01.07. 2017 in our house a concession exists.
Please keep this agreement. If this is not the case, you can count on a penalty of up to 50,000.
Note.
As before, prostitutes offer their services in their own name and for their own account, and reckon their own names and do not act on behalf of the holder of the prostitute act!
The provision of sexual services is agreed exclusively between the prostitutes and their clients or customers and is not part of the entry fee.So, clubs just have to give information about new law and prosecution, but what happen in room is only private agreement between the independent WGs and the client ready to pay for services. Just have to be careful to keep on enjoying future.
ExpatLover
06-12-17, 08:33
It looks to me to be not predictive of BBBJ or even BBFS going away. It's more like indemnification for the FKK owner. Translation follows:
* * *.
CONDOM DUTY.
Dear guests,
We have to point out that from 01.07. 2017 in our house a concession exists.
Please keep this agreement. If this is not the case, you can count on a penalty of up to 50,000.
Note.
As before, prostitutes offer their services in their own name and for their own account, and reckon their own names and do not act on behalf of the holder of the prostitute act!
The provision of sexual services is agreed exclusively between the prostitutes and their clients or customers and is not part of the entry fee.In the big FKK, meetings already took place and it was clearly stated that if a girl is doing BJ without condom she will be immediately fired, the management will also listing carefully about the complains from the other girls and also what mongers are sharing together about girls (bar area, sauna and even forums). The big clubs want a fair competition and will not accept to loose customers because some girls or mongers are not following the new laws, it seems they will strictly apply the new law.
So, clubs just have to give information about new law and prosecution, but what happen in room is only private agreement between the independent WGs and the client ready to pay for services. Just have to be careful to keep on enjoying future.I live in Sweden and it has been unlawful to buy sex since 1999 - street prostitution has almost vanished, but otherwise the trade is flourishing and it is rather easy to find a girl. In recent years the number of Thai. Massages have exploded and most of them are in reality brothels. You pay for the massage and behind closed doors you negotiate "extras" with the girl. Still it has turned out to be difficult to convict the owners of the massages for procuration since the prosecutor has to present solid evidence in the court that the owner is aware of what is going on in the rooms. Unless the girls are willing to witness it is almost impossible for the prosecutor.
The problem is that you can not know beforehand which thai-massages are brothels or which girls in a given massage are willing to provide sex or not. Sometimes it is first after a second or a third visit it is possible to get sex.
My guess is that will be something similar in German. If I read the notice between the lines I see it as a kind of waiver. The brothel has done its duty, but actually also explicitly tells that the girls are independent and they take no responsibility for what is agreed on in the room. I. E. BBBJ and maybe even BBFS is allowed in the room as long as the owner "do not know" and nobody sees it. Hence, my guess is that BBBJ and even BBFS will be available behind closed doors and with independent girls. The problem will be, as in Sweden with Thai-massages, that it will be more difficult to know beforehand which services are provided.
I live in Sweden and it has been unlawful to buy sex since 1999 - street prostitution has almost vanished, but otherwise the trade is flourishing and it is rather easy to find a girl. In recent years the number of Thai. Massages have exploded and most of them are in reality brothels. You pay for the massage and behind closed doors you negotiate "extras" with the girl. Still it has turned out to be difficult to convict the owners of the massages for procuration since the prosecutor has to present solid evidence in the court that the owner is aware of what is going on in the rooms. Unless the girls are willing to witness it is almost impossible for the prosecutor.
The problem is that you can not know beforehand which thai-massages are brothels or which girls in a given massage are willing to provide sex or not. Sometimes it is first after a second or a third visit it is possible to get sex.
My guess is that will be something similar in German. If I read the notice between the lines I see it as a kind of waiver. The brothel has done its duty, but actually also explicitly tells that the girls are independent and they take no responsibility for what is agreed on in the room. I. E. BBBJ and maybe even BBFS is allowed in the room as long as the owner "do not know" and nobody sees it. Hence, my guess is that BBBJ and even BBFS will be available behind closed doors and with independent girls. The problem will be, as in Sweden with Thai-massages, that it will be more difficult to know beforehand which services are provided.In France, clients caught with a prostitute can be prosecuted, but if I go to meet a beautiful Russian woman in hotel or in apartment and because we are attracted, we have sex between adults, and when I leave, I forget 250 on the table, where is the law?
In Germany, in brothels, when I'm in room with my independant WG and we agree about kind of sex we want to have together, I will just check door is quite close and I will enjoy like before 1st July. Private between 2 adults.
Mongerer88
06-14-17, 03:46
In France, clients caught with a prostitute can be prosecuted, but if I go to meet a beautiful Russian woman in hotel or in apartment and because we are attracted, we have sex between adults, and when I leave, I forget 250 on the table, where is the law?
In Germany, in brothels, when I'm in room with my independant WG and we agree about kind of sex we want to have together, I will just check door is quite close and I will enjoy like before 1st July. Private between 2 adults.I am kind of amazed at how rarely the guys who post on the FKK threads attempt to understand how things work in the rest of the world and draw reasonable predictions. I notice that most FKK posters only post in the FKK threads and when they travel they are only interested in the largest line-up style brothel.
When Canada adopted the Nordic model, there were predictions on the three major Canadian review board that it would end the strong escort system. Women, who were doing nothing illegal, would routinely blackmail the customers at the end of the sessions. Hotels would call the police when they see women entering hotel rooms registered to men and the police would be outside the hotel room to interview the women and go in to search the room for condoms. Incall would go way entirely. Neighbors would report the places and the police would use battering rams to knock down the doors. Cell phones of escort agencies would be tapped and monitored. Well guess what, none of that fucking happened. There have been no arrests under the new law, most police departments announced that the enforcement priorities would remain protecting underaged, exploited, and physically abused escorts. None of the agencies folded, reviews didn't decline, and services remained the same. Lesson: changes in laws don't always have as large of an effect as a lot of people think.
If you look at countries near Germany with no FKKs, BBBJ is either standard or easily obtained. No two countries or even localities are the same of course. In Spain, the independents simply advertise whether BBBJ and / or BBBJTC is available. Upsells for this are rare among independents, but their prices are usually a bit more than at the brothels, especially since they often require a one hour minimum. At a number of smaller Madrid and Barcelona appointment-style brothels, every lady simply does BBBJ. No specific upsells. There are a couple of brothels in Madrid where all of the ladies do BBBJ and some do BBBJTC and the upsell is published and standard for each lady. The best comparison to FKKs are the clubs and large line-up brothels where some of the ladies only do CBJs and some do BBBJ and some do BBBJTC. The majority of ladies who do BBBJ and BBBJTC at these places do in fact upsell it. Ironically, most of the smaller appointment-type brothels that don't upsell BBBJ or BBBJTC in Barcelona are less expensive, but you don't get a line-up. Lessons: When you put a lot of ladies in the same place and service offerings vary from lady to lady, there is a higher probability of upcharges from the ladies offering the most services. Also, you can often avoid all the negotiating hassles by sacrificing line-ups, researching advertisements, and trusting reviews from your fellow johns with multiple reviews and/or reviews in different places. An amazing number of guys on FKK boards accuse those of us taking time to do reviews of being pimps. Which is pretty fucking incredible given that many of those guys think that no group of sex workers are more exploited than the Romanians at FKKs.
As I said, no two countries are the same. Portugal has no culture of upselling. The biggest well-reviewed escort service in Lisbon and Porto charges the same whether or not the escort does CIM or even anal. They detail the service offerings on the website so the customer has an idea what to expect. There are no upcharges reported for the ladies. Same at the line-up style brothels. They either do CBJ, BBBJ, or BBBJTC. Same price, no upsells. I don't think there are in lessons here. The FKKs already have enough culture of existing upselling, so I don't think they will become like Portugal.
When you examine the ads in France and the Czech Republic, you see that more often than not, BBBJTC is listed as a surcharge, especially for agencies. Or like Spain if you see it as part of the "regular" price, it is offered by an independent escort who has a relatively higher per hour price than escorts who either don't offer it or levy a surcharge. The lesson is that this higher-level service is rarely free.
Obviously, the FKKs will need to protect themselves. They can't maintain records indicating that money was booked as upcharges for BBBJs. But that seems easy to fix by just changing to unspecified tips, if it needs to be recorded at all. If they don't see the need to adapt, they need look no further than the Nevada, USA legal brothels. Many of these went out of business since the Internet began flourishing. It is widely reported that the value of these legal licenses has drastically declined in value over the years. They have state law restrictions requiring CBJs and prohibiting anal sex that are generally followed. Once ladies could easily advertise on the Internet and use cell phones and email, most gradually left to work as independents in Vegas and throughout the country. There was once an entire review board dedicated to these places, but it was actually purchased by the legal brothels because it had too much information as to how to get better services, almost always BBBJ, from independent escorts in the USA or in Canada (if someone was obsessed with never technically breaking a law or wants to pay less for the same services). You simply can't find a review any more of legal brothel ladies. No one seems to go to them any more, with good reason. The services are clinical compared to independents reviewed on USA Escort review boards. The FKKs are going to learn this lesson and adapt to avoid being like the Nevada legal brothels.
Bottom line is that my prediction is that BBBJ and BBBJTC will continue to be available at FKKs. Based on nearby countries, it will probably have an upsell, and the clubs and the customers will have to disguise this charge and possibly learn to shut the fuck up about it, including an explicit discussion on message boards. We will probably see terms from experienced reviewers known to prefer BBBJs such as she will make you very happy, but remember to give her a good general tip upfront. The FKK system is unique and it should be interesting to see what happens.
ExpatLover
06-14-17, 11:16
I am kind of amazed at how rarely the guys who post on the FKK threads attempt to understand how things work in the rest of the world and draw reasonable predictions. I notice that most FKK posters only post in the FKK threads and when they travel they are only interested in the largest line-up style brothel.
When Canada adopted the Nordic model, there were predictions on the three major Canadian review board that it would end the strong escort system. Women, who were doing nothing illegal, would routinely blackmail the customers at the end of the sessions. Hotels would call the police when they see women entering hotel rooms registered to men and the police would be outside the hotel room to interview the women and go in to search the room for condoms. Incall would go way entirely. Neighbors would report the places and the police would use battering rams to knock down the doors. Cell phones of escort agencies would be tapped and monitored. Well guess what, none of that fucking happened. There have been no arrests under the new law, most police departments announced that the enforcement priorities would remain protecting underaged, exploited, and physically abused escorts. None of the agencies folded, reviews didn't decline, and services remained the same. Lesson: changes in laws don't always have as large of an effect as a lot of people think.
If you look at countries near Germany with no FKKs, BBBJ is either standard or easily obtained. No two countries or even localities are the same of course. In Spain, the independents simply advertise whether BBBJ and / or BBBJTC is available. Upsells for this are rare among independents, but their prices are usually a bit more than at the brothels, especially since they often require a one hour minimum. At a number of smaller Madrid and Barcelona appointment-style brothels, every lady simply does BBBJ. No specific upsells. There are a couple of brothels in Madrid where all of the ladies do BBBJ and some do BBBJTC and the upsell is published and standard for each lady..For me the main problem is the conformity to the law, I will never go mongering in a country where it is not legal even everything is available. The number of girls offering BBBJ after 1st of July will be limited, just because the beautiful one want to protect their health, even some are starting to apply it today. Obviously if the girl knows you for many years she is free to do what she wants.
Mongerer. Interesting points. I think you make just one error: FKK clubs in Germany do not keep a record of the charges a girl makes. The girls are legally self employed and their income is their own business. Clubs which do anything to infringe this principle risk severe attention by the authorities.
There are many reasons why many of us in this thread go only or mainly to Germany. It is not always due to lack of enterprise.
By the way, you say an amazing number of guys think that you are a pimp because you do reviews. I don't think I recall a host of accusations against you in the FKK threads.
Mongerer88
06-14-17, 18:10
Mongerer. Interesting points. I think you make just one error: FKK clubs in Germany do not keep a record of the charges a girl makes. The girls are legally self employed and their income is their own business. Clubs which do anything to infringe this principle risk severe attention by the authorities.
There are many reasons why many of us in this thread go only or mainly to Germany. It is not always due to lack of enterprise.
By the way, you say an amazing number of guys think that you are a pimp because you do reviews. I don't think I recall a host of accusations against you in the FKK threads.He was probably just joking, but I think Pistons or someone said the three or four of us guys discussing Spain versus the FKKs in a Spanish ISG forum were probably pimps. I know you guys banter around a lot, and not all comments should be taken seriously. And there was another comment by someone stating that they feel most reviews for non-FKK venues are written by the girls or by pimps. I disagree with that and think the FKK guys should venture into some of the other forums to see what is out there. You can usually spot fake reviews because they are written by someone only doing reviews of only one place with a few random general comments in various forums to get post counts up. And the reviews are usually written the way English is taught to good students in the subcontinent of India, with an introductory paragraph starting with something like Hello Friends and a detailed explanation of why they were in the city, rather than how a John would begin a conversation with other johns.
I was just conveying that the new law will probably not be a real issue. It is good that no separate tracking exists for specific upcharges by service. And unlike the Nevada legal brothels where the culture was CBJs during that pre-Internet period of time in the 1980's where people mistakenly believed that oral sex was a significant HIV transmission risk, the current FKK culture seems to be oriented to BBBJs. It is difficult to get a group of ladies, even at a place like Kamilla Dee's (I forget the exact name) who usually do CBJs to switch to BBBJs, but you rarely see ladies who start out doing BBBJs switch to CBJs. Especially when more money is available for BBBJs and plenty of BBBJ alternatives exist for independents and agency ladies in Germany and throughout southern Europe.
Laws just don't mean that much, especially when the "illegal" transaction takes place in private. I suspect the services will be the same at FKKs but the prices will effectively go up a bit and the sharing of information will be more discrete. That is how if works throughout the rest of the world, even in countries where just about everything related to sex is illegal. I hope so. I realize a lot of guys like FKKs, and I also know the services most guys want, including BBBJs us widely available in nearby countries. The FKK guys like to eat food provided by the FKKs after sex, and I am less than thrilled about them spreading throughout Europe like the Barbarian tribes of old days, offering 50 euros for a half hour BBBJ session with independents or at small brothels, and requesting that the provider fix them a free sandwich after the half hour session has finished.
Mongerer, nice reply, well put.
Reinforcing your point, a US member recently gave me graphic descriptions of how sex is sold in those many parts of the USA where it is illegal
Yes, some of us do read the German language forums "to see what is out there". Your posts on Spain make me wish I could try it, as does a youtube video on streetwalkers in La Jonquera: the girls looked hotter than 98% of those in FKK :D ("was furs auge in la jonquera")
Yes, I think it is Kamilla Dee: it used to be bbbj.
As most of the FKK customers are German I think you'll be safe, even if some of the FKK foreign visitors switch to neighbouring countries :)
Cheers.
https://youtu.be/4gSD1XU_UyQ
Had to put link here as forum can't cope with links in an edited report.
Hi guys,
I need some help please.
I am new to this scene and I am thinking about visiting one of the FKK clubs next week. Since I started reading the posts I noticed that there is a ton of options with a lot of variety that is confusing for someone who wants to decide which club to go for the first time.
I would really appreciate it if you guys could point me in the right direction or send me useful information / reviews / links, etc. In order to find the best option what should I do? Read all the threads and try to extract the useful parts or there is a place that I can find summarized information / ratings / reviews?
Let me know what your suggestions are for a first time visit. If you could throw in your own ranking based on your experience it would be great (based on facilities, size, line up, price, etc.).
Regards.
Mongerer, nice reply, well put.
Reinforcing your point, a US member recently gave me graphic descriptions of how sex is sold in those many parts of the USA it is illegal
Yes, some of us do read the German language forums "to see what is out there". Your posts on Spain make me wish I could try it, as does a youtube video on streetwalkers in La Jonquera: the girls looked hotter than 98% of those in FKK :D
Yes, I think it is Kamilla Dee: it used to be bbbj.
As most of the FKK customers are German I think you'll be safe, even if some of the FKK foreign visitors switch to neighbouring countries :)
Cheers.First club in la Jonquera is fuck factory Paradise with sometimes nearly 200 girls. Gran Madams which was great and Lady Dallas which was number 1 10 years ago, are dying. Even at Vip Paradise for 250/ h or Moonight Figueres, services level and beauty level are below girls I meet at LR, or GT, or even some at Aca.
Rate at Paradise is 60/30 mn, DFK and BBBJ are not really standard, more suck and fucks. Not my level, only Ampuriabrava or Rosas beaches worth, but I prefer climbing both sides of Tourmalet.
Polyamorist
06-14-17, 20:31
Looking at the blogs of FKKs, I am not seeing any major End-of-the-World parties scheduled for the end of June yet. Even if the FKKs want to distance themselves from the new laws as much as possible, I hope they don't miss out on this huge marketing opportunity. I would be expecting some incredible blowjob orgies on June 30, maybe even blowjob contests. After all those years practising, what a shame not to honor it with a grand farewell. (Not that it has to be a real farewell, but let's celebrate it all the same. In summer, it's any excuse for a party, right?).
ExpatLover
06-14-17, 23:46
He was probably just joking, but I think Pistons or someone said the three or four of us guys discussing Spain versus the FKKs in a Spanish ISG forum were probably pimps. I know you guys banter around a lot, and not all comments should be taken seriously. And there was another comment by someone stating that they feel most reviews for non-FKK venues are written by the girls or by pimps. I disagree with that and think the FKK guys should venture into some of the other forums to see what is out there. You can usually spot fake reviews because they are written by someone only doing reviews of only one place with a few random general comments in various forums to get post counts up. And the reviews are usually written the way English is taught to good students in the subcontinent of India, with an introductory paragraph starting with something like Hello Friends and a detailed explanation of why they were in the city, rather than how a John would begin a conversation with other johns.
I was just conveying that the new law will probably not be a real issue. It is good that no separate tracking exists for specific upcharges by service. And unlike the Nevada legal brothels where the culture was CBJs during that pre-Internet period of time in the 1980's where people mistakenly believed that oral sex was a significant HIV transmission risk, the current FKK culture seems to be oriented to BBBJs. It is difficult to get a group of ladies, even at a place like Kamilla Dee's (I forget the exact name) who usually do CBJs to switch to BBBJs, but you rarely see ladies who start out doing BBBJs switch to CBJs. Especially when more money is available for BBBJs and plenty of BBBJ alternatives exist for independents and agency ladies in Germany and throughout southern Europe..I don't believe the service will be the same, sex without condom will be far more difficult to find but not impossible. Big clubs will be very careful to follow strictly the new law by firing all the girls or mongers who are not respecting it.
Hi guys,
I need some help please.
I am new to this scene and I am thinking about visiting one of the FKK clubs next week. Since I started reading the posts I noticed that there is a ton of options with a lot of variety that is confusing for someone who wants to decide which club to go for the first time.
I would really appreciate it if you guys could point me in the right direction or send me useful information / reviews / links, etc. In order to find the best option what should I do? Read all the threads and try to extract the useful parts or there is a place that I can find summarized information / ratings / reviews?
Let me know what your suggestions are for a first time visit. If you could throw in your own ranking based on your experience it would be great (based on facilities, size, line up, price, etc.).
Regards.Around Dusseldorf, if you are not dark skin and have a car, Golden Time Bruggen or Living Room Kaarst.
Around Frankfurt, Finca Erotica Dierdorf between Frankfurt and Koln, or Sharks 30 kms south, in Darmstadt.
Speak with girls before going to room. Rate for sex is 50/30 mn. Ask about what you like.
Entry includes free foods and drinks.
AlexKrom. I'm afraid you ask the impossible as it depends on your preferences and your timings.
Remember girls are naked only in Hessen.
I would suggest that if you want to sample a range of clubs you try, not in any order.
1. World or Finca: generally good service. World has amongst the best facilities.
2. Sharks for size of lineup. Be prepared for sharky behaviour and poor management attitude. Gets very busy at weekends.
3. Living Room for a more intimate facility and good management attitude.
4. Samya at night for the party atmosphere.
Others will suggest different of course so this is just something to get you started with ideas.
Remember, in the end it's about which girls you meet. Your super girl could be in any club.
And also that lineup size rises and falls according to day of he week.
There is no place where rankings are set out. Given that there are thousands of girls even if you read all the forums, English and German, you will be unable to use the info in practice. If you pick out a few stars from forums the chances are those girls will be busy!
Cheers
Good choices for starters Optimist. But if you give him everything with a teaspoon, he may fail to find gems at other clubs too. Better just to sample 15 clubs and 50 girls in my opinnion 😉 And in case he is more looking for optics, your list of clubs may just not hold up. It seems like more a service oriented list. And some might want both. After 49 sessions, you may just want a looker that gets your fluids running by optics too. After all, visuals are one of the senses too.
and I am less than thrilled about them spreading throughout Europe like the Barbarian tribes of old days, offering 50 euros for a half hour BBBJ session with independents or at small brothels, and requesting that the provider fix them a free sandwich after the half hour session has finished.Well the barbarian monogamous chimps live in a belt surrounding the civilized polygamous bonobo's who practice creampie gangbangs for straight up sperm based darwinism in central parts of africa. The only barbarious thing about sex and relationships in this world is restrictive laws and cultural norms. So let people choose what form they want to practise. And let the girls choose where they want to work. However, market forces may just move us wherever the demand lies.
MarquisdeSade1
06-15-17, 12:43
Looking at the blogs of FKKs, I am not seeing any major End-of-the-World parties scheduled for the end of June yet. Even if the FKKs want to distance themselves from the new laws as much as possible, I hope they don't miss out on this huge marketing opportunity. I would be expecting some incredible blowjob orgies on June 30, maybe even blowjob contests. After all those years practising, what a shame not to honor it with a grand farewell. (Not that it has to be a real farewell, but let's celebrate it all the same. In summer, it's any excuse for a party, right?).I'm guessing they want it to be as, an uneventful transition as possible, I seriously doubt they would ever even consider advertising a downgrade in their already inferior service levels!
UltraHappy
06-15-17, 15:26
Well the barbarian monogamous chimps live in a belt surrounding the civilized polygamous bonobo's who practice creampie gangbangs for straight up sperm based darwinism in central parts of africa. The only barbarious thing about sex and relationships in this world is restrictive laws and cultural norms. So let people choose what form they want to practise. And let the girls choose where they want to work. However, market forces may just move us wherever the demand lies.Someone should consider passing a law, requiring the male bonobos to wear condoms during oral sex to protect the poor female victim bonobos. Those poor female bonobos are being exploited!
Hello guys,
I will be travelling to Lindau or Ulm in Germany on a business trip, Please any one ping me with details of FKK clubs, generally I am looking for erotic fun, even independent contacts are fine, especially on weekends,
Thanks in advance.
Someone should consider passing a law, requiring the male bonobos to wear condoms during oral sex to protect the poor female victim bonobos. Those poor female bonobos are being exploited!Except there are no jealousy among the bonobo. And no fighting between males and females. The homo sapien race however has billions of jealous specimens, especially these types called 'feminist politicians', because they cannot get the sex they want in a monogamous civilization. And because the females eat more food than they need. Reason seems to be that the females try to better protect themselves from the males in male/female fighting. This happens when the male get bored of sex with only one female specimen throughout many years in this cultural obligation called 'marrige'. The male female fighting occurs in close to 80% of all relationships in the homo sapien race, but gets massively underreported. However one can look at 'fatty indexes' to see how far this reaches. The bonobos are all slim apes. While the chimps are broader and fattier because they need to fight in their monogamous climate.
AlexKrom. I'm afraid you ask the impossible as it depends on your preferences and your timings.
Remember girls are naked only in Hessen.
I would suggest that if you want to sample a range of clubs you try, not in any order.
1. World or Finca: generally good service. World has amongst the best facilities.
2. Sharks for size of lineup. Be prepared for sharky behaviour and poor management attitude. Gets very busy at weekends.
3. Living Room for a more intimate facility and good management attitude.
4. Samya at night for the party atmosphere.
Others will suggest different of course so this is just something to get you started with ideas.
Remember, in the end it's about which girls you meet. Your super girl could be in any club.
And also that lineup size rises and falls according to day of he week.
There is no place where rankings are set out. Given that there are thousands of girls even if you read all the forums, English and German, you will be unable to use the info in practice. If you pick out a few stars from forums the chances are those girls will be busy!
Cheers
Good choices for starters Optimist. But if you give him everything with a teaspoon, he may fail to find gems at other clubs too. Better just to sample 15 clubs and 50 girls in my opinnion 😉 And in case he is more looking for optics, your list of clubs may just not hold up. It seems like more a service oriented list. And some might want both. After 49 sessions, you may just want a looker that gets your fluids running by optics too. After all, visuals are one of the senses too.
You mean a non-service oriented list? World, Sharks, Samya and LR excel in optics of the girls, but really do NOT excel in services of the girls (meaning 2-3 out of 10 might be offering decent DFK, BBBJ, etc for normal, non-touristic, half hour rates). Finca kind of differentiates a little bit, but Sakura (Stuttgart) and smaller clubs like Babylon, Luder Lounge, etc really excel in service of the girls (meaning 7-8 out of 10 offer decent DKF, BBBJ, etc for nprmal, non-touristic, half hour rates). These clubs also have FKK (so naked girls) so not only in Hessen, also in NRW and BW this can be found.
BigBuddy69
06-15-17, 18:19
I always had better service in LR than in Babylon.
You mean a non-service oriented list? World, Sharks, Samya and LR excel in optics of the girls, but really do NOT excel in services of the girls (meaning 2-3 out of 10 might be offering decent DFK, BBBJ, etc for normal, non-touristic, half hour rates).Interesting how mileages vary. To me LR was poor in optics (no better than Sixsens) but OK in service. Samya was only a notch higher in optics but very high on the service scale. I'm only familiar with days shifts and the first arrivals of night shifts in these FKKs.
I always had better service in LR than in Babylon.Well, then you are the exception. I like LR at the moment and you can find some good girls there, but there are also some duds (often from Acapulco or samya). At the top of my head: Antonia, Elli, Haicha and Sofia (former Emma) as girls that don't DFK. And with girls like Linda, Luana and in my opinion also Amira, you can hardly call it real DFK. The kissing on the couch in Babylon is normally better than what these do in the room.
Occasionally a girls with similar service will pop up in Babylon, but they normally are gone within a week. Although Anna has been there for a while know.
Triptogamont
06-15-17, 20:32
Hi guys,
I need some help please.
I am new to this scene and I am thinking about visiting one of the FKK clubs next week. Since I started reading the posts I noticed that there is a ton of options with a lot of variety that is confusing for someone who wants to decide which club to go for the first time.
I would really appreciate it if you guys could point me in the right direction or send me useful information / reviews / links, etc. In order to find the best option what should I do? Read all the threads and try to extract the useful parts or there is a place that I can find summarized information / ratings / reviews?
Let me know what your suggestions are for a first time visit. If you could throw in your own ranking based on your experience it would be great (based on facilities, size, line up, price, etc.).
Regards.I was in your shoes a couple of weeks ago. I read dozens of pages of each forum for every club I was even remotely going to be near. I sent PMs to senior members asking for advice. There is so much information here, that it eventually led me to analysis paralysis. Eventually, I chose GT because:
1) I would be relatively close on a day when I would have several hours to burn.
2) It does not have a reputation for upselling.
3) The ladies have a wide variety of ethnicity.
My review is here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2589-Sauna-Club-Golden-Time-Bruggen&p=2048211&viewfull=1#post2048211.
I recommend you just pick a club, read up on it here so you know what to expect, and go. Any club you pick will most likely have some dead fish and some superstars. Relax. Enjoy yourself. Even if your first session is average, you'll still most likely have fun. Maybe you'll get lucky and have a fantastic session. Both happened to me.
Good luck!
MarquisdeSade1
06-15-17, 21:30
Not even close to top end FKK calibre. If she's your dream girl you better bring a lot of Euro with you to FKK land.
I've been thinking about this post 24/7 since you made it, can you tell me where the top FKK calibre is? I've been at sharks everyday for 8 days straight about 10 hrs a day.
And nothing even comes close to this girl, I would love to know where these girls you were pumping up are at?
PussyLiccker
06-15-17, 21:59
I always had better service in LR than in Babylon.I don't have much experience at Bab, but latest at LR my picks weren't so good(not on the level of last year which was great).
Last year was great no doubt, which got me hyped. Of course this depeds on your taste and who you take, and the outcomes. Samya was the better visit for me this time around. But, this may not mean much since Rose was ex-GT at Samya.
Hard to say what my service odds between Aca and Samya this time as I ran into the best provider at Aca, but definately my visit to LR was lower than the 3 this time around, at least not match last year's.
Not even close to top end FKK calibre. If she's your dream girl you better bring a lot of Euro with you to FKK land.
I've been thinking about this post 24/7 since you made it, can you tell me where the top FKK calibre is? I've been at sharks everyday for 8 days straight about 10 hrs a day.
And nothing even comes close to this girl, I would love to know where these girls you were pumping up are at?A quote, or name of the poster you are referring to, or a name of the girl (s) you are talking about might help. I am confused.
Like I've said before, one should probably sample 10 girls before rating a club on their average girls... so perhaps Optimists mentionned finca and world sucks. I just pay too much trust in some posters... perhaps Optimist is some sort of pimp king? Lol
Triptogamont: I thought you were gonna visit more than just 1 club?
Banana Boi
06-16-17, 12:22
Not even close to top end FKK calibre. If she's your dream girl you better bring a lot of Euro with you to FKK land.
I've been thinking about this post 24/7 since you made it, can you tell me where the top FKK calibre is? I've been at sharks everyday for 8 days straight about 10 hrs a day.
And nothing even comes close to this girl, I would love to know where these girls you were pumping up are at?I made a club ranking post that was labelled by Takedown as NRW propaganda on May 30. You will see in that post that Sharks ranked #5 on my visit, albeit a Sunday visit. I won't offend the Hessen fans again but imo there was nothing special at Sharks on my single visit. Your mistake is you went to Sharks 8 days in a row instead of going to the 10-15 main clubs in Hessen and NRW. Not sure why someone would do this? Even without a car you had many days to get around by train.
That was my post Pistons responding to a photo of his dream girl he posted on this thread on May 30.
ExpatLover
06-16-17, 15:23
I made a club ranking post that was labelled by Takedown as NRW propaganda on May 30. You will see in that post that Sharks ranked #5 on my visit, albeit a Sunday visit. I won't offend the Hessen fans again but imo there was nothing special at Sharks on my single visit. Your mistake is you went to Sharks 8 days in a row instead of going to the 10-15 main clubs in Hessen and NRW. Not sure why someone would do this? Even without a car you had many days to get around by train.
That was my post Pistons responding to a photo of his dream girl he posted on this thread on May 30.Sorry there are not 10 or 15 main clubs in Hessen, top clubs are Shark, Oase, World all the others are not at the same level of premises, LU etc. This is not saying that the other clubs are not worth a visit just not at the same level.
Ok, who is your Harley Quinn girl at Samya? I hardly saw anyone resembling Harley Quinn there on my 2 visits (friday and sunday). But there were 2 girls with hair up in one ponytail instead of 2 (blonde francesca and ex-oceans girl Irene (or Ingrid?) With brown hair)
Ok, who is your Harley Quinn girl at Samya? I hardly saw anyone resembling Harley Quinn there on my 2 visits (friday and sunday). But there were 2 girls with hair up in one ponytail instead of 2 (blonde francesca and ex-oceans girl Irene (or Ingrid?) With brown hair)Why, it's my big booty baroness Leya Falcon all "dolled" up!
Banana Boi
06-16-17, 18:44
If PL or I had a name we wouldn't be calling her Harley Quinn. She has almost silver-white hair with pink tips and tied in 2 small ponytails. She is purposely trying to look like Harley Quinn. She is around 19, 165 cm without shoes, skinny, very perky small be cups but look great on her body. I did see her with her hair down one night. Definitely not Francesca.
PussyLiccker
06-16-17, 19:48
Ok, who is your Harley Quinn girl at Samya? I hardly saw anyone resembling Harley Quinn there on my 2 visits (friday and sunday). But there were 2 girls with hair up in one ponytail instead of 2 (blonde francesca and ex-oceans girl Irene (or Ingrid?) With brown hair)Maybe she wan't there on your visit. Medium height, light skinned with platinum blonde pigtails. We call her Harley Quin due to her hair style.
She stood out very noticibly because she was very active, dancing, moving around alot, on stage dancing as well. Hard to miss.
Pistons, PL, BB:
I believe FreeDude told everyone what Harley Quinn's club name is and rated her service level.
Pistons, so much for the "Internet information age"? It appears three of the most active ISGers missed it. Online reviews have minimal effect on the reputation of most FKK WGs, especially at the Turkish dominant clubs. Private escorts are different, since reviewers tend to be much braver.
Evita (Sharks) are probably the only ones that have an established online brand. People also tend to remember Sirioja's favorites because he mentions them a lot. For the other 95% of FKK WGs, I believe word-of-mouth still has the most effect on a WG's brand. This entails attending the clubs, and speaking with other mongers (preferably regulars). So old-fashioned networking. I can walk up to a regular, point at the WG and ask him what he knows. When he doesn't know, he walks over to one of the other regulars and asks for me.
And one might have read on the internet either admitting it or not. Many guys, myself included hides it sometimes. Lol. And again, name is not that important when we have descriptions...
PL: I was there 2 nights. I also got me a free entry ticket. Now guess how I managed that... lol
Seems FreeDude was guessing it was this Kim girl. Then again the Kim name brings only bad memories now. I asked for Kim (I know its a different club) at Oase to see who she was and all the fuzz lately, believing in descriptions from here and elsewhere only to find out the receptionist at Oase only knew 1 Kim there. An african girl. Lol! I am guessing the Oase romanian blonde Kim may be a name faker... or are the receptionists playing jokes on us?
lol! could she be the same girl as my new Ina? So many questions... lol
And again, name is not that important when we have descriptions...
Seems FreeDude was guessing it was this Kim girl.Descriptions by themselves aren't always useful. Depends on size of the club. And distinguishable features of the WG. Slim 165 cm, dark hair, RO doesn't help anybody. There still exists the small possibility that FD, BB, PL are not talking about same WG. There could have been more than one dancing, pig-tailed Harley Quinn look alike. Sharing photos among the three eye witnesses would probably eliminate all confusion.
With regards to Lily ACA, you mentioned that she may have improved her service because she realized her negative online brand as "Barbara" affected her business. This would be valid argument only if there were many negative online reviews of "Barbara" floating around. But here's what I found: zero reports on Dutch board, zero reports on French board, two reports on German board two years ago but they were both positive.
In the end it doesn't matter what you and I think. The WGs have to believe that their online reputation has a real effect on their business, for them to change their behavior. Diana at Sharks seems to be for most upper 90th percentile optics, she's well known and reported, and generally those reports are negative. If what you believe is true, she should have changed her behavior by now. If she notices that her customer interaction start off super positive, but then a customer's body language immediately goes cold as soon as she reveals her name is "Diana", trust me she will change her behavior. But this is probably not happening regularly, so Diana hasn't changed. Maybe she will improve her offerings in the future, but WGs tend to do that once their looks fade with age.
BigBuddy69
06-17-17, 16:00
Well, then you are the exception. I like LR at the moment and you can find some good girls there, but there are also some duds (often from Acapulco or samya). At the top of my head: Antonia, Elli, Haicha and Sofia (former Emma) as girls that don't DFK. And with girls like Linda, Luana and in my opinion also Amira, you can hardly call it real DFK. The kissing on the couch in Babylon is normally better than what these do in the room.
.Thanks for the list. I've only been with one girl in your list, Amira, and it was above average but nothing special. I know the reputation of some of the other girls (Linda, Luana, Haicha / Haifa?) and you're certainly right.
I never had any problems with DFK in Babylon but even with some "stars" of the club, Kitty and Maya, there was nothing spectacular. On the opposite side, most of my sessions in LR have been better than the sessions with those two.
Hello,
Looks like I'll have the opportunity to drive over from Holland on June 30th. I can be at GT by 5:30 pm or at LR by 6:00 pm. I've read here that GT is more of a daytime club, and I did enjoy LR at night a couple months back. Which would you pick at that time of day on Friday the 30th?
Thank you.
McA: there are many factors comming into play. Not just forums. The way we speak after the internet is also changing slowly. Like Syz claiming I write in twitter speak. After more and more people start using the web in new ways, the word by mouth conversations also change. This is not that straight forward. But the idea is that with the information society we will demand more and more transparenty. This is just one part of it (and I don't see any proints you have made that counters mine. The optics factor goes beyond this conversation though, but still Diana has less business than Mandy). The traction has started and will just be more and more important going forward. Your slim rom dark haired girl at 165 has in some clubs narrowed down he list of potentials dramatically. So perhaps there are other cueues also.
Thanks for the list. I've only been with one girl in your list, Amira, and it was above average but nothing special. I know the reputation of some of the other girls (Linda, Luana, Haicha / Haifa?) and you're certainly right.
I never had any problems with DFK in Babylon but even with some "stars" of the club, Kitty and Maya, there was nothing spectacular. On the opposite side, most of my sessions in LR have been better than the sessions with those two.Ha, Maya is so professional and experienced that it's mostly a girl for the guys that look at German language skills first (although technically fairly good). I was bored to tears when I went with her a few years ago. Kitty also dropped off significantly over the years. It is just that her limited availability made her very busy.
Like I said, it is mostly that you can be sure of some minimal service level in Babylon. I very rarely have absolute top favorites there (indeed, much more often in Samya), but without much trouble plenty of decent sessions.
McA: there are many factors comming into play. Not just forums.Besides forums, what other public sources are available for exchange of information on FKK WGs?
You have a history of praising Oceans and developing a liking for certain WGs at that club. Are you saying that the "information society" influenced your decision to test drive this club, and try those WGs? Because looking at the forums, Oceans threads have very little activity.
Quite possible that a customer just likes Mandy's look, decided to try her, was impressed by her service and extended their session. In other words, not due to anything they learned about Mandy via the "information society".
PussyLiccker
06-17-17, 19:45
Pistons, it's not just about pure optics. Service matters.
I doubt that ISG has much effect on girl's business. Diana's or Evita's or any other forum superstars. There are lurkers I'm sure, but I doubt there there are many keeps names on check when they go to clubs, especially the newbies.
Oceans business has to do with where the locals tend to attend rather than the forums, and it's the same for other clubs around with the locals. There are significant presense of Turks on weekend, but doubt that much of them report. There arn't much activity on Oceans across the boards. The hardcore mongers that post tend to visit clubs based on experiences, and doesn't correlate to activity levels on boards.
Girls business can also depend on percentage of local regulars to tourists. What percentage of regulars talks among each other to be significant enough? Depends on the club, and a club can be more tourists, although you can have group of tourists discuss among each other.
Besides forums, what other public sources are available for exchange of information on FKK WGs?
You have a history of praising Oceans and developing a liking for certain WGs at that club. Are you saying that the "information society" influenced your decision to test drive this club, and try those WGs? Because looking at the forums, Oceans threads have very little activity.
Quite possible that a customer just likes Mandy's look, decided to try her, was impressed by her service and extended their session. In other words, not due to anything they learned about Mandy via the "information society".Maybe I should have picked other words as I feel I kinda answerred those before. But the information society is all around us these days and it changes our way of thinking. You use the word information society a bit wrong there. It is something that creeps up on you to use Takedowns words... That sums it up without going too deep into the details.
As for Oceans, I saw possibilities, and early last fall the lineup was impressive to say the least. I also saw why many people avoid it. Some of which reasons were rediculous to me having travelled in asia (taxi price for one). Even though some of the criticism had and still has merits... I dont favor Oceans over other clubs. But to me it is more equal. I do respect BBs choice to avoid it for the reason of protest. But that is as far as it goes...
PL: there is allways a mix of optics and service. I havent tried Diana (sharks) yet... but you are right that there is no 100% truth in anything. And ymmv. Evita preferring to hunt asians is one ymmv factor...
First time I went to an fkk. Artemis I e mailed reception asking for a list of 5 or 6 gals I had seen on their website and if they were working. Most of them I never met as the pictures were not much updated. I think only the girl who is now Liz at Sharks and Carrie. But that was pure optics. Forums may also be something that creeps up on some. While others may take other approaches. But more and more people especially tourists like to arrange their vacations beforehand. So they are used to Tripadvisor etc... Loney Planet etc etc... they book everything in micro management as opposed to charters and travel bureos 15 years ago before the internet.
The turks don't matter. They spend maybe 50 on a girl in a night. Some of them enter the clubs only to brag to the girls about never having to pay for sex. Like this one douche at Oceans (an ethnic german). Who apparently is dating one of the wg's there. The wg's seems to have really low standards. That same girl flirts with me all the time too. So perhaps she just wants someone. Tourists spend a zillion more money. Divided on several days ofcourse, or a higher amount on fewer days. But to the girls, a tourist can be more valuable than a local that comes by once a week even if the tourist only visits 3 times a year. I have met tourists who has spent 2000e in a night... while I spent 2000e on 6 days last week (everything included). that equals to 40 visits by a local turk regular. Or 7-9 months of fkk'ing... so really the turks are mostly just decor.
PussyLiccker
06-17-17, 20:02
The forum represent a sampling of customers, doesn't represent as awhole.
The forum represent a sampling of customers, doesn't represent as awhole.True, but the forum has opinnion leaders. Google it. And it starts conversations. People talk to people that talks to people, and in the end nobody knows where the conversation started. This is whats called 'the daily agenda'. 'Whats on the daily agenda?'
First thank you for friends who helped me with my inquiries before I traveled. I put most of the learning to use. Now time to contribute.
I have been to Oase and Sharks at least 5-7 times in the past year. But never to the NRW / DUS area. This time, I had to fly into London and also fly out of London with a weekend to kill. So Friday evening, I flew out of London to DUS area. Flight was late, rented a car and all made some delays. I decided to go to ACA. After a nice drive, landed there around 8:30 pm. Was a poor experience. I will update in the ACA area. Left at 1 am, and stopped by Oceans as my night hotel was 3 minutes from this place. Looked very happening at 2 am. Some where I read it is cheaper entrance after a certain point in the night. (Friday night June 9th). I saw 2 stunners going for a session at the front desk, lot of smoke inside, and tons and tons of Turkish men pouring in. $65 entrance. I had the energy only for 1 session and I wanted to leave in 1 hour to catch sleep. Upon checking they said 65 E. So I left without wasting the money as I had 2 sessions already at ACA.
On Saturday 10th June, I left my hotel at 12 noon, drove 40 minutes or so to arrive at GT. I am not white or black but brown not Turkish either. I heard some racial stuff though. So fingers crossed. Rang the buzzer and yes, that older front desk lady came "Breata" came to check on me, and asked me if I was there before and I just answered "yes last year". Which was not the case. She looked up and down and went in and send a second lady to check me out. Then half-heartedly they led me in. That kind of took my confidence lower. Then April the red / pink / purple headed silicone Romanian girl was supposed to explain and show me around. I just told to myself "lucky you. Got inside". Then self-encouraged myself.
I have to say, this is one of my top clubs from an appearance, cleanliness, quality of food (I don't eat beef or pork). And ambiance. Oase my preferred place for ambiance, but food was so average there. So I am going to rate GT as my top 1 for facilities - (Entrance was 60 E) after comparing with Oase, Sharks, ACA and Oceans.
LU: excellent LU on Saturday last week. I like to see at least 4-5 stunners. That is 8's and 9's. I like eye-candies. And a lot of them were there.
Initially other than April, I found no one was friendly (due my non-Caucasian looks, I guess) . Had my breakfast, sat in the bar area, and 1 Italian guy started to talk to me. He pointed out Kate and said, just ensure you get a session with her. She is very popular etc. , for some weird reasons I didn't make my move. Instead, I liked this pale white, curly blonde Romanian Natasaha. So I went to the middle of the bar and sat next to her and had my small talk. Oh boy. She rejected me. And she was sitting alone for the next 4 hours. Another dent in my confidence.
Then walked around. And saw the next pale, white, blonde tall. Trinity from Estonia. Stood next her and she was almost not caring for me. On a white tight dress. I just went ahead and started to talk and simply said, do you want to go to the room. She spoke excellent English. She was very nice in the room. Half lip kissed, but good oral. Was my first session of the day, so quickly finished. Expected her tits to be bigger, but they are well used and smaller. She told me she used to date an Indian guy in UK for 8 years and she knew the north Indian culture very well. Overall inside the room she was nice. (another interesting fact was in the afternoon from around 3 pm to mid-night she was simply hanging out with a old fat dude. Almost all girls knew him. No sessions or nothing. Just hanging out with him.) she also told me that as a escort she will be visiting US / las Vegas next month for some poker tournament with some guys. She said she generally goes only with regulars.
After 1 session, I regained my confidence. Now I made friends with 3 guys from the US. They were my age and lot of fun.
Decided to call on April. And I liked her friend Eveta (curly black hair, slightly thicker, but solid body). Decided in the last minute to do a double. They told me 50 E for extra for BI show. Which was not anything good. 1 or 2 kiss on each others boobs. I had a good time with the 2 eye candies, both worked hard on my dick, Eveta was a good kisser. April wasn't kissing that much but OK. I did both of them back to back. Two on doggie style. When I was in doggie with April, Eveta sat on her ass facing me. Was overall good but not crazy good. Room 15 was great. These 2 girls said, they like any color dick, but this club was a big big big racial filtering club on customers.
Then lied around the garden, I had the eye on this Ivanka trump looking girl MAYA. And one more arm Candie blonde big silicon boobs 5.3 or so. Very slim Barbie. She didn't even speak to me for me to know her name. Maya was sitting next to my pool chair and 2 other Romanian girls were there already. One with strong stretch marks on her boobs, slightly darker but fantastic English, good talker, and a great girl. Her face was pretty but I like silicon boobs. So didn't session with her, next time I will. Eventually went out with Maya. My friends warned that these blonde bimbos are extremely poor in the room. She was a 9 for me. But I just wanted to do this bimbo. It was so ordinary and nothing special. Put her in front of the mirror, took her long blond hair in my had and did violent doggie. I could have simply masturbated. But fine. Something achieved.
I met this Indian girl Samira, dark, lots of tattoo. From Germany. I wanted to take her, but she got busy when she came back I was drained. Was very interested in her, but didn't go with her.
Late night had some pizza and then left around 1 am directly to the airport.
Overall, with the ambiance, quality, no upsell, good food, good quality girls I will go there. Free drinks. All of that makes this place special. Except for the racial profiling. I made friends with the "Beatral" and Maria in the front desk. So hopefully I will go in next time. Also some girl told me that YY is even better than this place. (has anyone driven from DUS airport. I am American, so border crossing should not be a problem right?
PussyLiccker
06-17-17, 20:58
I think is more of a significan't effect on their business is type of clientel. Depends on the percentage of regulars in the clubs, and what level of spending generally goes on in clubs.
Those factors should have an effect on upsell levels and expectations of girls.
I think McA said Ro has has natural tendency for distrusts is a reason for 1hr proposals in a club(it's not so 2 dimentional), and this shouldn't be particularly true for any nationality? Why would there be clubs with girls that will include more in a standard session than another with Ro WGs in both clubs? Should we allude that there are most distrustful clients in that particular club? Why should I find more Germans of better standard of service in one club, and more upseller in another club? It's club dependent based on clientel and management in a broader sense.
I doubt that ISG has much effect on girl's business. Diana's or Evita's or any other forum superstars. There are lurkers I'm sure, but I doubt there there are many keeps names on check when they go to clubs, especially the newbies.
Agree with everything said above except I think Evita is a special case, because her name is mentioned enough that it is burned into even the occasional reader's memory, so I can imagine when she tells a customer, "My name is Evita", they customer might think "so this is the Evita I keep reading about. " She has brand recognition. But we are talking about one of the most mentioned WGs at the most heavily reported FKK.
Pistons:
I was there that day when you made your virgin visit to ACA. You picked Lily before I arrived, so without any feedback from me. While we were there, I pointed out WG's that I either had sessioned or WG's that I had heard about from other mongers. You pointed out Alexandra and asked if I knew anything. I said no. You took her anyway. So online reputations and "opinion leaders" had little to do with both WGs, you picked that visit.
I've taken WGs who I knew had negative reviews (must be extremely high on optiks scale of course). Only time reviews matter is when there are 3-4 girls at the same optic level, and I can't decide which one to take.
Evita the luxury wg 😂.
Idk imo she's way overrated.
Member #4581
06-17-17, 22:32
The two girls I ever took based on reviews were Roxana and Ramona at Sharks, both after reading Syzy. Roxana was a popular girl here already but Syzy was a big fan back then and was writing regularly about her; and I was very new in the club and when I ran into this really skinny, pretty and innocent looking girl who said her name was Roxana, I immediately took her. Her optics were so much in sync with my spec at that time that I probably would have taken her anyway sooner or later, but knowing her reputation helped in grabbing her immediately, (which was important because in those days Roxana was quite popular in the club and if I didn't act decisively, someone would have taken her and I probably might have missed her entirely).
Ramona was very new in the club and in this profession when I met her. Syzy had made just one mention of her the week prior, and no one else wrote about her yet. Again, I liked her optics, and I half suspected it was Ramona as soon as I saw her, and she confirmed her name and that was that.
Otherwise, most girls I take are always dependent on optics and the vibe. Vibe is less important because if I like optics I will take a session anyway, and if the vibe matches, the sessions last longer and become repeats.
I suspect this is probably true for many guys here on ISG by and large. Does anyone like a girl's optics and the initial chemistry and chat is good, but she tells you her name, you remember the reviews you read here and reject her solely due to the reviews? Does that happen? Conversely, did you ever not like a girl's optics, the interview didn't go well but you still picked her because the review was good?
And the infrequent guests probably depend on themselves to pick girls to even greater extent, as they are not actively following various girls and ratings. My guess is, majority of guests in the clubs fall into this category.
PussyLiccker
06-17-17, 22:50
A punter can look up names on the boards after he finds interest in a girl (if they use the search function, but this depends on how much info there are about the gal, how many guys agrees on her service to be consistent). There are so many girls that there isn't enough info (or at least current enough to be a full database of info, and currency of info do count). No idea how significant it is, but I doubt is much. Much easier if they know somebody that is reliable in telling the service levels of the girls. But, by large, I assume most guys pursue girls that they have interest in, and feels out the vibes like Jnpr says.
Guys recommend girls, but the service is not 100% replicateable for all guys and situations really. There can be the YMMV element unless the girl is very consistent across the board like Mandy for instance.
All these are opinions based on personal experiences. There's lots of variables to know if one's opinions would have the same truth for another.
Hello,
Looks like I'll have the opportunity to drive over from Holland on June 30th. I can be at GT by 5:30 pm or at LR by 6:00 pm. I've read here that GT is more of a daytime club, and I did enjoy LR at night a couple months back. Which would you pick at that time of day on Friday the 30th?
Thank you.At the moment, GT for casting. Some very honest and GFE at GT.
YamaYama0519
06-18-17, 05:52
Hello LSHler.
On 1 July, the last amendment of the "Act regulating the legal situation of the prostitutes" comes into effect. It includes, among other things, a concession for free (oral, vaginal and anal intercourse) and conditions for operators including an aptitude test for the concession.
We will therefore react to the changed legal situation as follows:
• Descriptions / reports on service without rubber of any kind in Germany are no longer permitted.
• Questions / reports / passages containing references to FO, AO or AVO are edited or deleted without comment.
• An explicit demand for the service with or without protection is not permitted according to forum guidelines and will be blocked at the latest when repetitively with an exclusion from the forum.
• There are no definitions or synonyms for traffic (oral, vaginal, anal) without protection.
We do not want to prevent users, operators or girls from reporting problems in the LSH. A proven breach of the Kondompflicht has resulted in high penalties for the suitors, for which women are confronted with problems in the form that they might endanger the concession of the operator and get ban on the house.
It is not necessary to refer explicitly to the usage of a condom, since this is a duty.
As of 1 July 2017, it is therefore out of the question with the mention of FO, AO or AVO here in the Forum.
Here is the link to the law: ProstGesetz.
The area abroad is not affected.
Pistons:
I was there that day when you made your virgin visit to ACA. You picked Lily before I arrived, so without any feedback from me. While we were there, I pointed out WG's that I either had sessioned or WG's that I had heard about from other mongers. You pointed out Alexandra and asked if I knew anything. I said no. You took her anyway. So online reputations and "opinion leaders" had little to do with both WGs, you picked that visit.Takedown actually found something on Alexandra before I went with her. On some message board. But you are right it is not something I (or I guess we) normally would google while there.
Just because it doesnt happen in 75% of the cases doesnt mean the remaining 25% doesnt have any effect... in the past it was 100-0
What exactly is the ProstGesetz mean to me? I don't understand how it's going to effect business going forward. Could someone please give me the basics?
Here is my list of clubs going with optics top 5. Almost like BB's list. As if you are strong enough a top 3 won't be enough for you! A service club list is harder for me to make considering lack of samplings in a few nrw clubs.
1. Oase (Ina, Keicy, Sarah, small Adelle, Cheyenne. It is also top because the top 5 is harder to make and I could include Brianna, Laura and others who would have been just as hot).
2. Samya (Madalina, Kiara, Alisa, Irene (or Ingrid?) Unnamed brunette with fringy brown hair and nice tan who loves to dance).
2. Oceans (Eleny, Alina, Ruby, Meggi, Raja).
2. Sharks (Marlyn, Estefania, Aksena, Alexia, Mandy) (added Mandy because I know she is around even if I didn't spot her).
5. Acapulco (Lily, Sasha, Alexandra, Hannah, Cami).
5. GT (Samia, April, Cami, Amelia, Simona)
Note: on a top 10 Oceans would have fallen down to aca / gt level. Oceans problem right now seems to be weight gain on several of the girls due to having the best food in all the clubs (too bad it is a la carte). Samya's problem seems to lie in the other end. Maybe a bit skinny girls. And sharks maybe alone at 2nd, although Sharks main problem is its unregularity of showing for some of its top girls. Perhaps that also goes for GT and to lesser extent the other clubs too...
All the clubs top 5 are hot, so basically you cannot go wrong anywhere... june lineups were strong as a whole...
Service is another matter.
Pistons and BB.
Thanks for your lists. Having your opinions is helpful.
If you were to do a list based on a mix of service and optics, what would be your views? I know it is subjective and based on tiny samples but it would still be interesting to hear the views of two members such as you who visit different clubs but have no axes to grind
Pistons, PL, BB:
People also tend to remember Sirioja's favorites because he mentions them a lot.
If I tried to help Madi World, naming her when at the beginning I only wrote classy girl, because I didn't experience she tried to go to extended time with me, and after because of lack of business at World on Winter 2014/2015, but now I don't name anymore my real top girls. Megan and Kate being bullshit are enough for me and I m very happy Megan did trust me for Globe, far from Sharks bullshits. So many guys want to know who are my girls and try them, often experiencing only average sex when I repeat many times weekly, but they are not me and girls behave from who you are, from your manners, from what you do to them, some let you do all what you enjoy, trusting you, you can ask they close eyes.
My advice: rather than running after others girls, open your eyes and brain, choose your own girls, play your own game listening to how girl reacts, just like in normal life with normal women, even paid sex, and then surprising what girls will let do, and never heard about extra or tip.
Thanks for some who know because they see me with my girls, to respect my way to protect them, they don't need to be said bullshits about me, nor to receive messages when they are sleeping at 3 am on a Saturday night being on holidays in Romania, to be said I returned with my sweet medusa. Thank to you to say to my LR girl I was arrived on a Thursday evening.
Land of jealousy, not only among WGs, and bullshits.
It would be a bit too hard to make such a list. Also it would be very complicated seeing it changes from day to day of the week. Unfortunately although Oase has the highest amount of lookers, the upsell level is also the highest at Oase out of all the clubs. Personally to me GT and Oase (unless at least 1 h rooms) are lowest on service. Hard to say which club is on top seeing I need more samples. And 1 girl affects the score too much... which is worthless for a list like this when all clubs have over 50 girls.
We really don t experience the same, maybe because we don t look for same behaviour. Many high level girls met at GT since last Summer, last one on this week end is Globe level, before, in room, after for shower together and diner, only for 100 for 3 enjoyable hours together. Maybe she was happy, after discovering her on Saturday evening, I returned on Sunday, and she said many times: See You next week end. Why would I go elsewhere? Except LR where I also got 3 Globe level, top girls.
Oase is low average sexual level for me, and about Hessen at the moment, I don t want to pay for upselling GND.
From my visits I'd rate GT on the bottom on a combined list. But I guess if Kate was my cup of tea optically it might have been better. Or if I managed to get PL's lucrative Samia service for 50. Then again there are good providers there too like Cami, Liz, Kate and ex Oase Tatiana (forgot new name). So ymmv, and so might be your optical picks. But even so, the stress factor comming from so many guys snapping the top girls in 5 seconds after returning pulls it down again...
Rating top club is more difficult. For relaxation it might be Sharks for their spa facilities. But like mentionned the lineup is very changing there with top girls staying more away than actually being around. And fridays being by far the best day at sharks. Better still to change clubs every day... my most fun visits this year was at Palace. Like their parties. But there the lineup is not so good now, and usually only 1-3 girls I would pick there... with average service low, so you gotta be smart about it and lucky to hit a new girl... there is no club more like a casino than checking out palace... ironically they had a roulette table there on their anniversary party.
Hello mongers!
I will possibly have a 12 hour lay over on two flights in Frankfurt and Munich.
Frankfurt will be 10 am to 10 pm (on a Sunday or a Monday), and Munich will be 6 pm to 7 am (Saturday evening to Sunday morning).
What are my options near Frankfurt airport? Anything by train or close enough by taxi? Both are international flights, so I would need to get to the airport at least 2 hours prior to take off.
Also, anyone know how much a taxi would be from Colosseum to MUC at 3 am? I rather not do any of the ones in Munich.
Hello mongers!
I will possibly have a 12 hour lay over on two flights in Frankfurt and Munich.
Frankfurt will be 10 am to 10 pm (on a Sunday or a Monday), and Munich will be 6 pm to 7 am (Saturday evening to Sunday morning).
What are my options near Frankfurt airport? Anything by train or close enough by taxi? Both are international flights, so I would need to get to the airport at least 2 hours prior to take off.
Also, anyone know how much a taxi would be from Colosseum to MUC at 3 am? I rather not do any of the ones in Munich.Sharks South Frankfurt for Sunday and Monday.
Pistons. Thanks for your impressions of Oase and GT. As you say, a list is so hard to compile as many of the variables change quickly. Despite this your impressions from your experience are useful.
Takedown actually found something on Alexandra before I went with her. On some message board.0To be accurate, I think the intel that I gave you came from a combination of word of mouth from a French punter that took her right before you and also something I read on this or the French board.
My buddy monger really likes this one girl and repeated her many times and even took her out on "dates" a few times. She never asked for any extra and was always generous with free couch time. He thinks he can trust her. So, when she told him about her fathers' operation, he volunteered to help her out by sending a few thousand euros. He is happy about it but I think he is played. A semi-long con. I fear it will escalate. She invited him to visit Romania too.
Any similar story you can share to warn him that it's an old trick? How can he gracefully back out without further damage or possible blackmailing? Any advice?6 months after posting my original post, and after scammed out of 5 figures to "help her out", my friend finally realized that he was scammed all this time.
It started out with her father's operation mentioned above then a crisis after crisis that he lent her money to help her get out of escalating slowly but surely. He even helped her get out of the club and was going to support her to go back to college. He did go to Romania, met her friends and made some friends too. One of her friends told him about her "real" boyfriend who apparently pimped her to my friend and her drug use that he had suspected but she kept denying.
He was disgusted by himself for believing all her lies (E. G. She kept having dental problems. Possibly partially true due to her drug abuse. That he paid thousands of Euros on her behalf) and her attempt at blackmailing him when confronted with evidences of betrayal. He told me that her truly ugly thug personality came out then and really shocked him as he did not see that part of her before at all. I was rather shocked when he told me all about this as the WG in question was reputated to be a really nice girl here and I did like her when I had a few rooms with her. I did not believe my friend at all until he showed me texts and pics.
My friend wanted me to post this here to remind everyone to maintain a professional relationship with WGs within a confine of the club. Like Sirioja says all the time, it's all illusions (lies) however real it may feel, and sadly, the WGs come from a world where deceit, abuse, and betrayal are the way of life, not trust, dignity, respect or honor. And the Romanian WGs seem to really love those abusive pimp boyfriends. Whoever named the Sharks is a genius. It's a reminder what we are really dealing with when we swim in the FKK world.
My advice. Don't be an idiot like my friend trying to save a girl who needs no saving. Treat Romanian WGs with a respect but know that they are professional illusionists with their only moral compas being money. They love you and care about you as much as they do an ATM. Play the game but don't become a game.
He told me that her truly ugly thug personality came out then and really shocked him as he did not see that part of her before at all. I was rather shocked when he told me all about this as the WG in question was reputated to be a really nice girl here and I did like her when I had a few rooms with her. I did not believe my friend at all until he showed me texts and pics.
Thanks for sharing.
I am never surprised by these supposed "innocent" WGs. RO expats are the second highest population in EU prisons, usually for fraud, so they can exchange knowledge and quickly reach expert level. Scammers use the same tactics and psychology as salespeople. These WGs might not know the theory, but many can apply it practically. I encourage you all to read about it: FITD compliance, DITF compliance, sunk cost fallacy, reciprocity, social proof, anchoring. These are all present in just about every scam, salesperson-customer interaction, WG-monger interaction, e-commerce website.
WGs come from a world where deceit, abuse, and betrayal are the way of life, not trust, dignity, respect or honor.Basically scamming each other is normal in many places. The way they see it: if you are stupid enough to fall for it, then you deserved it.
Member #4585
06-28-17, 03:20
6 months after posting my original post, and after scammed out of 5 figures to "help her out", my friend finally realized that he was scammed all this time.
It started out with her father's operation mentioned above then a crisis after crisis that he lent her money to help her get out of escalating slowly but surely. He even helped her get out of the club and was going to support her to go back to college. He did go to Romania, met her friends and made some friends too. One of her friends told him about her "real" boyfriend who apparently pimped her to my friend and her drug use that he had suspected but she kept denying.
He was disgusted by himself for believing all her lies (E. G. She kept having dental problems. Possibly partially true due to her drug abuse. That he paid thousands of Euros on her behalf) and her attempt at blackmailing him when confronted with evidences of betrayal. He told me that her truly ugly thug personality came out then and really shocked him as he did not see that part of her before at all. I was rather shocked when he told me all about this as the WG in question was reputated to be a really nice girl here and I did like her when I had a few rooms with her. I did not believe my friend at all until he showed me texts and pics.
My friend wanted me to post this here to remind everyone to maintain a professional relationship with WGs within a confine of the club. Like Sirioja says all the time, it's all illusions (lies) however real it may feel, and sadly, the WGs come from a world where deceit, abuse, and betrayal are the way of life, not trust, dignity, respect or honor. And the Romanian WGs seem to really love those abusive pimp boyfriends. Whoever named the Sharks is a genius. It's a reminder what we are really dealing with when we swim in the FKK world.
My advice. Don't be an idiot like my friend trying to save a girl who needs no saving. Treat Romanian WGs with a respect but know that they are professional illusionists with their only moral compas being money. They love you and care about you as much as they do an ATM. Play the game but don't become a game.EnderW,
Thank you for sharing your friend's story. It must have been devastating for him.
I suspect the girl is still working in the club. So he may not be the only one that has been caught out in this way by her.
These girls are just taking advantage and have no remorse.
Not only Romanian girls are pimped, also most of Bulgarians, and many German girls are pimped. You can read name tattoos even they always say name of brother.
For my experiences, illusion of GF is so much more enjoyable than just filling a piece of meat hole to empty balls, but only in the club, not more. Sometimes, I even really wonder why some girls give me so much, really trusting me, kissing so much, sometimes really passionate, how they want to please me, sometimes even on first room, but when I see them after, returning to their business, even they can be lovely, only sex business.
For my private life experiences, girls who really love you don't ask you for money, don t go to be fucked by other guys, because they want You have a good image of them.
FKK are land of illusion at best, lies for worst, but they are not real life to fall in love, a little spark is just enough. Just get all what You enjoy, with respect for girls You will get, but don t be fuckable.
Thanks for sharing.
I am never surprised by these supposed "innocent" WGs. RO expats are the second highest population in EU prisons, usually for fraud, so they can exchange knowledge and quickly reach expert level. Scammers use the same tactics and psychology as salespeople. These WGs might not know the theory, but many can apply it practically. I encourage you all to read about it: FITD compliance, DITF compliance, sunk cost fallacy, reciprocity, social proof, anchoring. These are all present in just about every scam, salesperson-customer interaction, WG-monger interaction, e-commerce website.
Basically scamming each other is normal in many places. The way they see it: if you are stupid enough to fall for it, then you deserved it.Well said.
In Thailand there is a Scam Bible. I actually saw it once as a friend of mines Thai wife showed it to me. And most girls there have read it. 99% of these scams are recurring all the time. Nothing original at all. Although thai women normally doesnt have pimps like the Romanians do. Some some parts are different from country to country. You basically just got to read their body language and wording. Intuition is your friend.
ExpatLover
06-28-17, 08:34
Thanks for sharing.
I am never surprised by these supposed "innocent" WGs. RO expats are the second highest population in EU prisons, usually for fraud, so they can exchange knowledge and quickly reach expert level. Scammers use the same tactics and psychology as salespeople. These WGs might not know the theory, but many can apply it practically. I encourage you all to read about it: FITD compliance, DITF compliance, sunk cost fallacy, reciprocity, social proof, anchoring. These are all present in just about every scam, salesperson-customer interaction, WG-monger interaction, e-commerce website.
Basically scamming each other is normal in many places. The way they see it: if you are stupid enough to fall for it, then you deserved it.It is better not to generalize, I am not sure about your figures but I can share this one, in France, Italy, Belgium 85% of the people in jail are from immigration background mostly Muslim and / or Africa. It is not because they have more criminal aspirations, it is just because they are the less educated and they below to the lower levels of the society.
Thanks for sharing.
I am never surprised by these supposed "innocent" WGs. RO expats are the second highest population in EU prisons, usually for fraud, so they can exchange knowledge and quickly reach expert level. Scammers use the same tactics and psychology as salespeople. These WGs might not know the theory, but many can apply it practically. I encourage you all to read about it: FITD compliance, DITF compliance, sunk cost fallacy, reciprocity, social proof, anchoring. These are all present in just about every scam, salesperson-customer interaction, WG-monger interaction, e-commerce website.
Basically scamming each other is normal in many places. The way they see it: if you are stupid enough to fall for it, then you deserved it.Exactly.
One minor point: Romanian expats are the second highest expat population in EU prisons (after Moroccan citizens). I know that is what you meant but others might misunderstand.
11,000 romanian expats are in EU prisons: that is about 0. 275% of expat romanians. For comparison, UK citizens in UK jails is about half this. If one were to strip out the effects of gender imbalance and age between the two samples then I suspect this difference would be much smaller.
As for the general points: as the Romanian ruling party has just toppled its own Prime Minister for not proceeding quickly enough with measures to drastically reduce the scope and scale of anti-corruption work (the party's favoured person to be prime minister cannot stand until the anti-corruption measures are emasculated) it is not surprising that scamming by romanians (especially amongst the gypsy community which has had to live by its wits in the face of centuries of oppression) is a well-honed skill.
As you say, scammers think that if we fall for it, we deserved it
Pistons. I always think the same as you about intuition. The problem is that some girls are intuitive masters as scamming. In such cases one needs to look for the small discrepancies in their stories (there are always mistakes): they will easily tell you you are wrong, or come up with a specious excuse, but one will at least know they are lying.
Ender. I love the comment about not trying to save a girl who doesn't need saving. Quite a few of us treat the girls as if they need saving!! Sometimes it is a little more complex: the girls do sometimes have feelings for clients and this can make it much easier for them to scam the client as there is less pretence (of course such feelings are circumscribed by the desire to get money). And of course sometimes there are feelings which are significant enough to preclude scamming. Dangerous waters.
ExpatLover
06-28-17, 09:59
It seems that the business is / was quite slow in the last month, even it is the last chance to get BBBJ at least if you want to respect the law. Many girls told me that they have already the registration documents. For me, except no BBBJ, in 2 days there will be very small chances in the FKK world.
A small discrepancy is a negative impulse and sways your intuition.
TankTank123
06-28-17, 10:17
In such cases one needs to look for the small discrepancies in their stories (there are always mistakes): they will easily tell you you are wrong, or come up with a specious excuse, but one will at least know they are lying.
Such discrepancies are easy to spot when forewarned. And for this I must thank Optimist again who alerted me last year about a girl in World just before a day when she started her telling her story to me.
Sometimes it is a little more complex: the girls do sometimes have feelings for clients and this can make it much easier for them to scam the client as there is less pretence (of course such feelings are circumscribed by the desire to get money). And of course sometimes there are feelings which are significant enough to preclude scamming. Dangerous waters.Shouldn't it be easier for gals to scam clients that they have no feelings for whatsoever? Just look at them like a walking ATM, LOL.
Just look at them like a walking ATM, LOL.I look in same way on the girls, see them as walking ATM providers. LOL.
I look in same way on the girls, see them as walking ATM providers. LOL.I look at them as sweet 😇 LOL.
You mean putting a 50 e bill into the vending machine and then you can fuck the doll for 30 min 😂.
Polyamorist
06-28-17, 12:32
Shouldn't it be easier for gals to scam clients that they have no feelings for whatsoever? What I have always observed is that the emotions of girls tend to work in tandem with their goals. By contrast, with guys our emotions usually get in the way of our practical advantage.
Hessen Bub
06-28-17, 12:48
I look at them as sweet 😇 LOL.
You mean putting a 50 e bill into the vending machine and then you can fuck the doll for 30 min 😂.Nope. Ass To Mouth. ATM.
HB.
Nope. Ass To Mouth. ATM.
HB.I see a different ATM 😆.
Pistons. I always think the same as you about intuition. The problem is that some girls are intuitive masters as scamming. In such cases one needs to look for the small discrepancies in their stories (there are always mistakes): they will easily tell you you are wrong, or come up with a specious excuse, but one will at least know they are lying.
Ender. I love the comment about not trying to save a girl who doesn't need saving. Quite a few of us treat the girls as if they need saving!! Sometimes it is a little more complex: the girls do sometimes have feelings for clients and this can make it much easier for them to scam the client as there is less pretence (of course such feelings are circumscribed by the desire to get money). And of course sometimes there are feelings which are significant enough to preclude scamming. Dangerous waters.Thank you all fellow punters for understanding and insights. My friend was ready to receive "you idiot! And "We told you so" comments but I guess we all came close to a danger zone at some point? My friend has a very giving and trusting personality and I kept warning him. But he is not stupid (well.) and the girl was an expert. He has been doing postmortem, so to speak, and he told me that he was convinced now that she displayed strong signs of someone with a narcissistic disorder. He sent me an article that he said shows what he went through with her: "People who meet the criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder or those who have traits of Ant*ial Personality Disorder can operate in extremely manipulative ways within the context of intimate relationships due to their deceitfulness, lack of empathy, and their tendency to be interpersonally exploitative. " http://thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-arabi/2014/08/5-sneaky-things-narcissists-do-to-take-advantage-of-you/.
Also, he is convinced that his financial support enabled and worsened her drug usage which in return strengthened the narcissistic personality / traits. So he is hating himself for having manipulated into supporting her drug habit. A really sad thing is that he really loved her and he still feels that she did love her at one point. I have to tell you, I saw them together once and I was convinced that she was in love with him! If she really has the narcissistic disorder, the love I saw was her love for herself when she looked at him. I don't know if the drug made her a sociopath or she was always a sociopath but any expert will tell you to stay away from one.
One thing he shared with me what she did tell him should have been a strong hint to him - "there isn't a single WG who does not hate this job and who does not hate all their customers. It's all fake. " We all punters shouldn't forget this. You all know the story of a frog giving a scorpion a ride across a river, right? Let's try to survive scorpions to live another day in a punter-land.
Not only Romanian girls are pimped, also most of Bulgarians, and many German girls are pimped. You can read name tattoos even they always say name of brother.
For my experiences, illusion of GF is so much more enjoyable than just filling a piece of meat hole to empty balls, but only in the club, not more. Sometimes, I even really wonder why some girls give me so much, really trusting me, kissing so much, sometimes really passionate, how they want to please me, sometimes even on first room, but when I see them after, returning to their business, even they can be lovely, only sex business.
For my private life experiences, girls who really love you don't ask you for money, don t go to be fucked by other guys, because they want You have a good image of them.
FKK are land of illusion at best, lies for worst, but they are not real life to fall in love, a little spark is just enough. Just get all what You enjoy, with respect for girls You will get, but don t be fuckable.Some girls don't want you go with other girls, when they don't care if other guys go.
Some girls also fast notice easily fuckable guys, when they will not even ask a tip to some other guys. We get from our behavior and what we are.
The more money you give to a girl, the most she may expect from you. Fortunately, most of Romanian girls who make FKK business, are very honest.
EnderW: are you your friend?
Also, girls take this job extremely different. Not every girl is the same, and not every girls situation is the same. But the hate among some girls doesn't come from the customers. It comes from the situation their pimps have put them in. And those girls (not all) extrapolate that into fighting a war on men in general.
What most Romanian girls hate just as much as this job is their own lack of education, lack of job prospects outside of prostitution, and lack of belief in the rest of the world.
Don't forget that even if this girl actually wanted to move with 'your friend', she might still be on a leash with this other 'ugly boyfriend' (pimp who probably have bought her), and he will still know where the family of this girl is to be found so what do you suggest? Take her whole family with you? The problem is deeper than your initial post implies.
I don't know if the drug made her a sociopath or she was always a sociopath but any expert will tell you to stay away from one.
One thing he shared with me what she did tell him should have been a strong hint to him - "there isn't a single WG who does not hate this job and who does not hate all their customers. It's all fake. " We all punters shouldn't forget this. You all know the story of a frog giving a scorpion a ride across a river, right? Let's try to survive scorpions to live another day in a punter-land.With narcissistic personality disorder, the most telling trait would be delusions of their own grandeur. Always wanting to be the center of attention. Always convinced people are jealous and trying to sabotage them.
Not all the women that scam have NPD. What you said in the second paragraph, alludes to some of the truth. The WGs have some contempt for the men. Most of the men were born into money or by virtue of being raised in rich countries had access to opportunities that they didn't, so these men don't deserve their money, and as such it as okay for them to "take it" from us.
There is also a "us against them" mentality. Probably more than just a single "pimp / BF".
Yes, like McA says, it is probably not just one pimp at a time. Especially the travellers normally work only as groups.
The rest of this whole thing sums up racism and capitalism in a nutshell. So who do you really blame? The entire world is all about game theory in todays system. And that is why we have prostitution in the first place. Because we are taught to be monogamous. While in reality we are not. (And from there on starts the egoism butterfly effect. Which ironically is all a narcissistic illusion that starts the moment you understand the concept of 'I' when looking in the mirror for the first time)
Or like one very powerful guy once told me not long ago: "if you have a hammer, everything around you starts looking like nails. ".
The worlds first job that started capitalism was prostitution. And the reason for the prostitution was monogamy and who teaches you about monogamy? Religions do religions started in order to win wars against opposing tribes and nations (racism) in order for our own Y-chromosome to live on. All from the image of 'us', and 'them'.
EnderW: the drug use by some girls is very worrying indeed. It is almost like I consider putting the drug using girls on a blacklist myself too. I know some 10 ish girls that definitely take strong stuff. And I know there are way more as some non drug using girls tells me about it. And in some clubs it is so bad that the girls feel they must leave the clubs to get away from the drug pressure. Phg and paradise has been mentioned but I know sharks has problems too, and to less degrees most clubs and I'm not talking about mild weed.
ExpatLover
06-29-17, 07:11
EnderW: the drug use by some girls is very worrying indeed. It is almost like I consider putting the drug using girls on a blacklist myself too. I know some 10 ish girls that deffinately take strong stuff. And I know there are way more as some non drug using girls tells me about it. And in some clubs it is so bad that the girls feel they must leave the clubs to get away from the drug pressure. Phg and paradise has been mentionned... but I know sharks has problems too, and to less degrees most clubs... and I'm not talking about mild weed...Yes, you are right, this is becoming a real problem, also high consumption of alcohol is a issue. Some girls told me that in Globe many girls are taking drugs.
Member #4585
06-29-17, 08:07
EnderW: the drug use by some girls is very worrying indeed. It is almost like I consider putting the drug using girls on a blacklist myself too. I know some 10 ish girls that deffinately take strong stuff. And I know there are way more as some non drug using girls tells me about it. And in some clubs it is so bad that the girls feel they must leave the clubs to get away from the drug pressure. Phg and paradise has been mentionned... but I know sharks has problems too, and to less degrees most clubs... and I'm not talking about mild weed...The drugged up girls are sure more lively than the non drugged up girls. Makes for a more interesting visit than seeing a bunch of girls sat on couches bored out of their skulls being non interactive. Be careful for what you wish for.
EnderW: are you your friend?
Also, girls take this job extremely different. Not every girl is the same, and not every girls situation is the same. But the hate among some girls doesn't come from the customers. It comes from the situation their pimps have put them in. And those girls (not all) extrapolate that into fighting a war on men in general.
What most romanian girls hate just as much as this job is their own lack of education, lack of job prospects outside of prostitution, and lack of belief in the rest of the world.
Don't forget that even if this girl actually wanted to move with 'your friend', she might still be on a leash with this other 'ugly boyfriend' (pimp who probably have bought her), and he will still know where the family of this girl is to be found... so what do you suggest? Take her whole family with you? The problem is deeper than your initial post implies...Hehe I was wondering about the same thing.
Very complex indeed sometimes its hard to control yr feellings towards a gal that you feel a connection with. Guess there are some happy endings as well but the odds not very good, LOL.
Guys. We cannot change the world. Just forget about things you can't control. I highly doubt any of these girls are being forced. They are in multi million dollar complexes in plain sight in Germany. There is simply no way a crime that big could be concealed.
Member #4581
06-29-17, 11:23
Sorry to sound harsh, but in the situation described, he volunteered into the scam if you will. Yes, it is painful, sad even, but she did not rob him at gun point or anything; he gave her all that money knowingly and intentionally. He was duped perhaps, but her biggest crime is that she told lies and sold a sob story and he bought it and gave her money. Caveat emptor.
I would be a lot more sympathetic if the girl robbed the guy w / o his knowledge. Example: Guy takes the girl to his hotel. She slips him something in his drink when he is not looking, which knocks him out. She, on her own, or with her pimp's help, cleans him out -- his passport, his cash, watch, phone, his clothes even. He wakes up to find the only thing he still has to wear is the used condom on his dick. Yes, he can register a police case, but he has to go through a ton of hassle.
Sorry to sound harsh, but in the situation described, he volunteered into the scam if you will. Yes, it is painful, sad even, but she did not rob him at gun point or anything; he gave her all that money knowingly and intentionally. He was duped perhaps, but her biggest crime is that she told lies and sold a sob story and he bought it and gave her money. Caveat emptor.
I would be a lot more sympathetic if the girl robbed the guy w / o his knowledge. Example. Guy takes the girl to his hotel. She slips him something in his drink when he is not looking, which knocks him out. She, on her own, or with her pimp's help, cleans him out -- his passport, his cash, watch, phone, his clothes even. He wakes up to find the only thing he still has to wear is the used condom on his dick. Yes, he can register a police case, but he has to go through a ton of hassle.Don't give the gals any ideas 😂.
Now I have to think twice before considering bringing a gal to my hotel LOL.
Some guys take bank credit to send 30000/50000 / 100000 to buy a house or a shop and as soon she gets money, she lose phone number and guys will never even see a photo of the house.
Only a business: sex for money. Try to enjoy the game but don t be fuckable.
ExpatLover
06-29-17, 12:03
Sorry to sound harsh, but in the situation described, he volunteered into the scam if you will. Yes, it is painful, sad even, but she did not rob him at gun point or anything; he gave her all that money knowingly and intentionally. He was duped perhaps, but her biggest crime is that she told lies and sold a sob story and he bought it and gave her money. Caveat emptor.
I would be a lot more sympathetic if the girl robbed the guy w / o his knowledge. Example: Guy takes the girl to his hotel. She slips him something in his drink when he is not looking, which knocks him out. She, on her own, or with her pimp's help, cleans him out -- his passport, his cash, watch, phone, his clothes even. He wakes up to find the only thing he still has to wear is the used condom on his dick. Yes, he can register a police case, but he has to go through a ton of hassle.This case will most probably not happen in Germany, everything is legal, of course it is very easy to go to the police station without any shame, also the club has a copy of the ID card of the girl, so she will not do this kind of things, too too risky for her.
Member #4581
06-29-17, 12:29
Hehe I was wondering about the same thing.
Very complex indeed sometimes its hard to control yr feellings towards a gal that you feel a connection with. Guess there are some happy endings as well but the odds not very good, LOL.It's natural that you develop some feelings for a girl who is so beautiful, gives you so much pleasure, and acts like she loves you. The best cure, if you think that feeling is turning into something stronger, is to go find another equally good looking girl that also gives very good service. They are out there for sure. And then you will realize you are not so loyal after all, and snap out of that dream.
It's kinda funny, but many guys already are married or have a steady relationship outside, come to the clubs for extra play and then fall for another relationship in the club. Not logical, but happens. Anything is possible when it comes to human relationships and feelings.
The drugged up girls are sure more lively than the non drugged up girls. Makes for a more interesting visit than seeing a bunch of girls sat on couches bored out of their skulls being non interactive. Be careful for what you wish for.Why would I be careful about that? Seeing into a girls eyes and realizing she is wasted is a huge turnoff for me. I think with my cock, so anything that turns me off is not good. Lol! Most of my favourite girls are not on drugs. So they definitely don't have to be.
BigBuddy69
06-29-17, 16:18
Some girls don't want you go with other girls, when they don't care if other guys go.Because they take you for a cash cow. You're the one who is paying, you're the one to decide what to do with your money.
ExpatLover
06-29-17, 21:42
Because they take you for a cash cow. You're the one who is paying, you're the one to decide what to do with your money.Right, in P6 there should be no moral or love, that is all.
Polyamorist
06-30-17, 23:01
Today marks the start of a period of reflection and self-restraint for German FKK-goers. Some will lock themselves in their homes, others will take to the streets in prayer, many will travel to Zrich the new Mecca of BBBJ, a few of the bravest souls will venture into German FKKs to bear witness.
I personally have already fled and will be watching the unfolding scenes through a telescope. The first to report their scary merkel-BJ here wins a free condom.
Don't look for much reporting from the mainstream media. On June 30 the Chancellor called a snap vote on gay marriage in Germany. Many were baffled that she did that right now after opposing it staunchly for decades. But it seems the resulting flood of celebrations is drowning any news of the full frontal assault that the German government is making on heterosexuality at this time, the laws that concern us.
Nevertheless some of us can still celebrate. Expect a lot of cheering, flag-waving, and eager uninhibited cocksucking over the border in Sixsens and Yinyang today!
LiveBoarding
07-01-17, 00:02
This seems to be such a common way of some of the WGs. Over the last year gotten quite a lot of session with this WG and exchanged instant messaging account so we can communicate. A way to make reservation when I'll be in Germany the next time.
Interestingly the first week of exchange was all innocent and cute. Then came the demand of money. "I need xxx thousands euros for xxx reason. " Wow. I might be well off financially but this definitely triggered a bell in my head. Now reading stories like this, I am happy that I didn't fall in this trap. Great share of experience and definitely a trap all of us can learn from. Like the saying say: What happens in FKK stays in FKK. No need for it to spill over.
Thank you all fellow punters for understanding and insights. My friend was ready to receive "you idiot! And "We told you so" comments but I guess we all came close to a danger zone at some point? My friend has a very giving and trusting personality and I kept warning him. But he is not stupid (well.) and the girl was an expert. He has been doing postmortem, so to speak, and he told me that he was convinced now that she displayed strong signs of someone with a narcissistic disorder. He sent me an article that he said shows what he went through with her: "People who meet the criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder or those who have traits of Ant*ial Personality Disorder can operate in extremely manipulative ways within the context of intimate relationships due to their deceitfulness, lack of empathy, and their tendency to be interpersonally exploitative. " http://thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-arabi/2014/08/5-sneaky-things-narcissists-do-to-take-advantage-of-you/.
Also, he is convinced that his financial support enabled and worsened her drug usage which in return strengthened the narcissistic personality / traits. So he is hating himself for having manipulated into supporting her drug habit. A really sad thing is that he really loved her and he still feels that she did love her at one point. I have to tell you, I saw them together once and I was convinced that she was in love with him! If she really has the narcissistic disorder, the love I saw was her love for herself when she looked at him. I don't know if the drug made her a sociopath or she was always a sociopath but any expert will tell you to stay away from one.
One thing he shared with me what she did tell him should have been a strong hint to him - "there isn't a single WG who does not hate this job and who does not hate all their customers. It's all fake. " We all punters shouldn't forget this. You all know the story of a frog giving a scorpion a ride across a river, right? Let's try to survive scorpions to live another day in a punter-land.
LiveBoarding
07-01-17, 00:10
I was at sharks recently when couple of girls I sessioned with are asking me if I would like to "snif" some with them. That is odd considering it is so not my style and they were so open to ask if I wanted to join the fun. Is there a selling scheme going on with WGs? Have you guys encountered these "offers"?
EnderW: the drug use by some girls is very worrying indeed. It is almost like I consider putting the drug using girls on a blacklist myself too. I know some 10 ish girls that deffinately take strong stuff. And I know there are way more as some non drug using girls tells me about it. And in some clubs it is so bad that the girls feel they must leave the clubs to get away from the drug pressure. Phg and paradise has been mentionned... but I know sharks has problems too, and to less degrees most clubs... and I'm not talking about mild weed...
LiveBoarding
07-01-17, 00:13
What a timely manner post! It says today 00:01 hour. Almost exactly the midnight bell of the new law.
I'm heading to Germany tomorrow and would love to hear all the experience so far related to the impact of this new regulation. Of course, I'll try to share some of my own experience as I'll be in Germany for the week.
Today marks the start of a period of reflection and self-restraint for German FKK-goers. Some will lock themselves in their homes, others will take to the streets in prayer, many will travel to Zrich the new Mecca of BBBJ, a few of the bravest souls will venture into German FKKs to bear witness.
I personally have already fled and will be watching the unfolding scenes through a telescope. The first to report their scary merkel-BJ here wins a free condom.
Don't look for much reporting from the mainstream media. On June 30 the Chancellor called a snap vote on gay marriage in Germany. Many were baffled that she did that right now after opposing it staunchly for decades. But it seems the resulting flood of celebrations is drowning any news of the full frontal assault that the German government is making on heterosexuality at this time, the laws that concern us.
Nevertheless some of us can still celebrate. Expect a lot of cheering, flag-waving, and eager uninhibited cocksucking over the border in Sixsens and Yinyang today!
I was at sharks recently when couple of girls I sessioned with are asking me if I would like to "snif" some with them. That is odd considering it is so not my style and they were so open to ask if I wanted to join the fun. Is there a selling scheme going on with WGs? Have you guys encountered these "offers"?It could go like this. They give you some then you get high with them and prolong the session, then they ask you some money to get and get some more and you provide it and time goes on, your sense of time has become blurry and the girl looks at her watch every 20 minutes instead of every 30 and all the time you talk more than you fuck and the upshot is a long and easy session for the girl where you pay, say, 7 hours for the price of 4 without too much noticing. That's the business model. If you go along with this be aware that you're risking more than by just breaking the "New Law".
LiveBoarding
07-01-17, 06:33
Got your point. I was just saying that there is a rise of offers, I would have never said no to this type of offer. I just thought it was strange that I've been offered few times and perhaps these places are now a new "selling" spot for these.
It could go like this. They give you some then you get high with them and prolong the session, then they ask you some money to get and get some more and you provide it and time goes on, your sense of time has become blurry and the girl looks at her watch every 20 minutes instead of every 30 and all the time you talk more than you fuck and the upshot is a long and easy session for the girl where you pay, say, 7 hours for the price of 4 without too much noticing. That's the business model. If you go along with this be aware that you're risking more than by just breaking the "New Law".
Today marks the start of a period of reflection and self-restraint for German FKK-goers. Some will lock themselves in their homes, others will take to the streets in prayer, many will travel to Zrich the new Mecca of BBBJ, a few of the bravest souls will venture into German FKKs to bear witness.
I personally have already fled and will be watching the unfolding scenes through a telescope. The first to report their scary merkel-BJ here wins a free condom.
Don't look for much reporting from the mainstream media. On June 30 the Chancellor called a snap vote on gay marriage in Germany. Many were baffled that she did that right now after opposing it staunchly for decades. But it seems the resulting flood of celebrations is drowning any news of the full frontal assault that the German government is making on heterosexuality at this time, the laws that concern us.
Nevertheless some of us can still celebrate. Expect a lot of cheering, flag-waving, and eager uninhibited cocksucking over the border in Sixsens and Yinyang today!I wonder if eventually western European girls will be fleeing the hell hole of west Europe to work as cock suckers in eastern Europe and Asia. West Europe and Asia seems to be a on a self destruct path while the east goes from strength to strength.
Citizen Kane
07-01-17, 13:45
I hope everyone made it through last night OK. Rumour has it the staff at Sharks started removing the belts from the robes to prevent any suicide attempts.
Hessen Bub
07-01-17, 15:58
I can report that public BBBJ does still exist in Hessen clubs. Just witnessed a girl sucking a guys bare dick passionately. Will not tell which club or girl. Happy sucking!
HB.
MythoVirus
07-01-17, 16:39
I can report that public BBBJ does still exist in Hessen clubs. Just witnessed a girl sucking a guys bare dick passionately. Will not tell which club or girl. Happy sucking!
HB.Thanks a lot.
Any information in this critical phase is highly appreciated in regard to public or private BBBJ, as some of us are continents away from FKK clubs. Again thanks.
I can report that public BBBJ does still exist in Hessen clubs. Just witnessed a girl sucking a guys bare dick passionately. Will not tell which club or girl. Happy sucking!
HB.Thanks for the info Master HB!
Good news indeed that means that FKK land is safe, LOL.
I can report that public BBBJ does still exist in Hessen clubs. Just witnessed a girl sucking a guys bare dick passionately. Will not tell which club or girl. Happy sucking!
HB.This is most encouraging news. Flying to Hessen in a couple of hours.
Hessen Bub
07-01-17, 17:35
I won't say that I said let's just wait and see. But I did. ;) But it's day one and we shouldn't be too euphoric about it.
HB.
Citizen Kane
07-01-17, 17:55
And it only cost him 500 euros extra...
Hessen Bub
07-01-17, 18:28
The situation is like it was last month. Nothing changed. Yet. No extra charges, nothing.
HB.
SpeedySteel44
07-01-17, 20:11
The situation is like it was last month. Nothing changed. Yet. No extra charges, nothing.
HB.Agreed. Had 2 sessions today. Same as before. No changes, no extra costs. People on this forum blew it out of proportion. I don't think the girls even know of the rule. There's no sign at the front desk or anything. Business as usual.
http://m.bild.de/politik/inland/prostitutionsgesetz/neue-regeln-im-puff-52395980.bildMobile.html
Sounds like some of the authorities are less than evangelical about enforcement and will be fairly relaxed so long as there is no advertising or screaming for attention, so far as the condom elements of the new law are concerned.
I love the sardonic (?) comments from Koln and Stuttgart.
http://m.bild.de/politik/inland/prostitutionsgesetz/neue-regeln-im-puff-52395980.bildMobile.html
Sounds like some of the authorities are less than evangelical about enforcement and will be fairly relaxed so long as there is no advertising or screaming for attention, so far as the condom elements of the new law are concerned.
I love the sardonic (?) comments from Koln and Stuttgart.Very strange ratio of the Frankfurt female to male prostitutes at this article. 2000 to 800 means 2,5 to 1,0. Never ever, maybe 10 to 1. That says everything about the quality of this article.
Citizen Kane
07-01-17, 21:22
http://m.bild.de/politik/inland/prostitutionsgesetz/neue-regeln-im-puff-52395980.bildMobile.html
Sounds like some of the authorities are less than evangelical about enforcement and will be fairly relaxed so long as there is no advertising or screaming for attention, so far as the condom elements of the new law are concerned.
I love the sardonic (?) comments from Koln and Stuttgart.So it sounds like a lot of the authorities have come to the same conclusion as a lot of the members here. The law at the 'end user' level is basically unenforceable.
My worry is that the conclusion the government / authorties draw from this is, 'the law is unenforceable therefore the only way to gain the desired result is a total ban on prostitution'.
Hessen Bub
07-01-17, 22:22
So it sounds like a lot of the authorities have come to the same conclusion as a lot of the members here. The law at the 'end user' level is basically unenforceable.
My worry is that the conclusion the government / authorties draw from this is, 'the law is unenforceable therefore the only way to gain the desired result is a total ban on prostitution'.Keep calm. The BBBJ part is what is not enforceable. It's just a minor part of the law, all other points are enforceable. So nobody will come to the conclusion to ban prostitution. They could have done that now.
HB.
Banana Boi
07-01-17, 22:23
Where are all the girls sleeping tonight? If I were living in Germany I'd invite the ones I like over and save them hotel and taxi cost.
Polyamorist
07-01-17, 23:35
Apart from the New Law and gay marriage, the big news right now in Germany is the funeral of Helmut Kohl.
Those of us old enough to remember the fall of Soviet Union will remember that Chancellor Kohl took advantage of the momentum to reunify West and East Germany. It so happened that in East Germany there was a woman called Angela who had previously taken no interest in politics but now became fascinated by the prospects of the new Germany and the ever-growing EU. She spent the 90's cozying up to Chancellor Kohl and became known as "Kohl's girl". Flattered by her interest, he smoothed her path to the highest echelons of power. In 1998 she suddenly turned on him. Kohl was ousted, and Merkel was named party leader and later Chancellor.
Poor Kohl never recovered from the betrayal. A broken man with a broken family, he spent his last years raving about how Merkel was ruining his Europe by increasing austerity and encouraging refugees. His last wishes were that his funeral take place as far away as possible from the cesspit of politics in Berlin and that Angela Merkel should not be allowed to give the big speech at the funeral as is customary. (It is just as well, as today due to great rains Berlin was as flooded as Venice and the coffin would have just been floating about everywhere.).
Anyway, the point is that if there had been a strong male force like Kohl in power in Germany for the past fifteen years, we probably would not have seen the FKKs degenerate (in so many cases) into sharkiness, and we certainly wouldn't see the current campaign against them of which July 1 is just the start.
Where are all the girls sleeping tonight? If I were living in Germany I'd invite the ones I like over and save them hotel and taxi cost.At Aca, Samya, LR, even VIP GT, WGs shouldn't sleep anymore in rooms where they are fucked, since last night, but not so sure.
Very strange ratio of the Frankfurt female to male prostitutes at this article. 2000 to 800 means 2,5 to 1,0. Never ever, maybe 10 to 1. That says everything about the quality of this article.I always tell them I am a prostitute going to Germany for work when at the airport. So they might have included me several times over.
Apart from the New Law and gay marriage, the big news right now in Germany is the funeral of Helmut Kohl.
It so happened that in East Germany there was a woman called Angela who had previously taken no interest in politics but now became fascinated by the prospects of the new Germany and the ever-growing EU. She spent the 90's cozying up to Chancellor Kohl and became known as "Kohl's girl". Flattered by her interest, he smoothed her path to the highest echelons of power. In 1998 she suddenly turned on him. Kohl was ousted, and Merkel was named party leader and later Chancellor.
Kohl could have gone down in history as the Chancellor of Unification. OK, he was in the right place at the right time and it wouldn't have happened without Gorbatschov, but he did seize the opportunity when probably no-one else could have or would have. His foreign policy was OK. His internal policy was not as good.
His star started to fade when he placed himself above the law by refusing to name an anonymous campaign donor, even though he was required to by law. He could have been jailed for this. He should have been jailed.
Anyone who places his own opinion above the law deserves all the disrespect he gets.
Poor Kohl never recovered from the betrayal.
Anyway, the point is that if there had been a strong male force like Kohl in power in Germany for the past fifteen years, we probably would not have seen the FKKs degenerate (in so many cases) into sharkiness, and we certainly wouldn't see the current campaign against them of which July 1 is just the start.By far the biggest load of bullshit I have heard this year. Kohl used to talk about his plans for a spiritual-moral turning point. Had he and his party stayed in power, prostitution might be illegal in Germany today.
Hessen Bub
07-02-17, 11:13
Poor Kohl never recovered from the betrayal. A broken man with a broken family, he spent his last years raving about how Merkel was ruining his Europe by increasing austerity and encouraging refugees. His last wishes were that his funeral take place as far away as possible from the cesspit of politics in Berlin and that Angela Merkel should not be allowed to give the big speech at the funeral as is customary. (It is just as well, as today due to great rains Berlin was as flooded as Venice and the coffin would have just been floating about everywhere.).
Anyway, the point is that if there had been a strong male force like Kohl in power in Germany for the past fifteen years, we probably would not have seen the FKKs degenerate (in so many cases) into sharkiness, and we certainly wouldn't see the current campaign against them of which July 1 is just the start.Wow, which conspiracy page did you copy that from?
HB.
Keep calm. The BBBJ part is what is not enforceable. It's just a minor part of the law, all other points are enforceable. So nobody will come to the conclusion to ban prostitution. They could have done that now.
HB.Agreed. BBBJ is a very minor part of the law. The main part of the law may turn out to be the registration requirements. It will take probably up to a year to see how this will affect the industry.
The main part of the law may turn out to be the registration requirements.That was my concern as it may steer the girls to other countries.
Hessen Bub
07-02-17, 13:51
That was my concern as it may steer the girls to other countries.Not to Austria or Switzerland. They have similar procedures for registration. Don't know about Spain or NL.
HB.
Yesterday 1st July Atmos in Hamburg, for me, nothing changed. Its all same same from a customer perspective. Like some said, I think it's mostly about the registration of workers and protecting them.
Any status from other clubs about the new law?
Louie De Palma
07-02-17, 16:00
Not to Austria or Switzerland. They have similar procedures for registration. Don't know about Spain or NL.
HB.Well, maybe we'll get more nice girls to Denmark, then. There are no clubs here, but a thriving market of girls in private / discreet apartments and escorts. We are in no need for young guys from Middle East or Africa, they come in the 1000's, but this kind of invasion would be welcome!
EnderW: the drug use by some girls is very worrying indeed. It is almost like I consider putting the drug using girls on a blacklist myself too. I know some 10 ish girls that definitely take strong stuff. And I know there are way more as some non drug using girls tells me about it. And in some clubs it is so bad that the girls feel they must leave the clubs to get away from the drug pressure. Phg and paradise has been mentioned but I know sharks has problems too, and to less degrees most clubs and I'm not talking about mild weed.My buddy told me that the WG in question has been doing crystal meth. Like I mentioned before, I had a few rooms with her and I would never have suspected her of doing it. She even told me she hated drug takers and pointed out a few girls as addicts. Do they get hooked on drugs at the clubs or do they become prostitutes to support their drug habits? It's a chicken and an egg question, isn't it?
Ender. I love the comment about not trying to save a girl who doesn't need saving. Quite a few of us treat the girls as if they need saving!! Sometimes it is a little more complex: the girls do sometimes have feelings for clients and this can make it much easier for them to scam the client as there is less pretence (of course such feelings are circumscribed by the desire to get money). And of course sometimes there are feelings which are significant enough to preclude scamming. Dangerous waters.A girl may really love a guy but if she is hooked on drugs, her craving for drugs makes everything a mean to get hold of the drugs. Even the ones she loves can be easily traded cheaply for a next hit. It's tragic. With a lot of WGs taking drugs, and god knows what kind of drugs, it's best to treat everything they tell us as lies to protect ourselves. My friend unfortunately developed strong feelings for her and he eagerly wanted to believe any lies she served. It's a rip tide that pulls you in.
EnderW,
Thank you for sharing your friend's story. It must have been devastating for him.
I suspect the girl is still working in the club. So he may not be the only one that has been caught out in this way by her.
These girls are just taking advantage and have no remorse.My friend told me that she is back in Bucharest now living with her pimp / drug-dealing boyfriend. She might have become a pimp herself, from what my friend told me. BUT, he knew she kept contact with customers via WhatsApp so who knows, she may be scamming other customers too. Apparently, she was chatting up with her "friend" from California. A possible next victim?
Checking between Samya and Acapulco.
Which one should I go to for franze ohne guaranteed? Would rather just chill until flight back home unless I get a real BJ. The covered BJ is a fake product probably also a communist plot.
Not only Romanian girls are pimped, also most of Bulgarians, and many German girls are pimped. You can read name tattoos even they always say name of brother.
For my experiences, illusion of GF is so much more enjoyable than just filling a piece of meat hole to empty balls, but only in the club, not more. Sometimes, I even really wonder why some girls give me so much, really trusting me, kissing so much, sometimes really passionate, how they want to please me, sometimes even on first room, but when I see them after, returning to their business, even they can be lovely, only sex business.
For my private life experiences, girls who really love you don't ask you for money, don t go to be fucked by other guys, because they want You have a good image of them.
FKK are land of illusion at best, lies for worst, but they are not real life to fall in love, a little spark is just enough. Just get all what You enjoy, with respect for girls You will get, but don t be fuckable.You are so right Siri. Words to live by in the FKK world. And we'd better learn from mistakes of fellow punters so we won't become a next victim. I always appreciate your insights.
Called this haus up for Steffi but she is not there today for the weekend anyway. Asked about BBBJ and they said no girl in the haus does BBBJ.
She said if you find a place that does it then go there, LOL!
Called this haus up for Steffi but she is not there today for the weekend anyway. Asked about BBBJ and they said no girl in the haus does BBBJ.
She said if you find a place that does it then go there, LOL!
http://www.6relax.de/club_girls_detail/name/institut_f%fcr_wellness/girl/teeny_steffi2/from_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_a/girl_205956
I found an 18 year old Lithuanian lady advertising on 6 relax who agreed to the BBBJ over the phone at least. She gave me the wrong address in English. Dd not appear on the GPS map so I had her repeat it in German. Luckily I studied German numbers a few months ago. I would put a speaker by my ear while sleeping with continuous German language instruction videos playing. The number she spoke in German do add up to an actual address so well I am on my way to her right now shortly.
Agreed. BBBJ is a very minor part of the law. The main part of the law may turn out to be the registration requirements. It will take probably up to a year to see how this will affect the industry.Why? They already should be paying tax, and so it should always have been possible to get the data out. But it can restrict more foreigners to inflate the market. Like the Ukrainians, Russians, Africans etc, given they are not smart. The law is so full of holes and useless stuff I am almost out of words. But more Ukrainians and Russians will probably go to benelux, France and Scandinavia now... so it could mean less people from those countries going to Germany.
ExpatLover
07-02-17, 21:36
Yesterday 1st July Atmos in Hamburg, for me, nothing changed. Its all same same from a customer perspective. Like some said, I think it's mostly about the registration of workers and protecting them.
Any status from other clubs about the new law?It is different club to club, yesterday at World already with condom, today Shark and Oase no changes everything has usual, but should come in the coming days it is at least what the girls told me.
Hessen Bub
07-02-17, 22:08
Again: Ukrainians will not work anywhere in the EU.
HB.
Again: Ukrainians will not work anywhere in the EU.
HB.Why do you say this? Many Russian or Ukrainian escorts touring in Paris, Milano, Torino, Brussels, with tourist visa. Also some real Russian or Latvian girls working in FKK with touristic visa and without family in Germany. 1 was superstar and the most honest girl at Oase. I wish we will have real Russians or Latvians or even Ukrainians in Germany, even I love my Romanians, and now also 1 Hungarian since Jana at Sharks, and a few Germans, too many girls to love in NRW, before returning to Globe, as I promised, but never enough beauties for my eyes and brain pleasure. I love slavian type beauties, round face and white skin.
Yesterday 1st July Atmos in Hamburg, for me, nothing changed. Its all same same from a customer perspective. Like some said, I think it's mostly about the registration of workers and protecting them.
Any status from other clubs about the new law?In FKK World there is an announcement at the reception: 'KONDOMPFLICHT'.
I found an 18 year old Lithuanian lady advertising on 6 relax who agreed to the BBBJ over the phone at least.BBBJ over the phone? Must be strange experience.
Why do you say this? Many Russian or Ukrainian escorts touring in Paris, Milano, Torino, Brussels, with tourist visa. Also some real Russian or Latvian girls working in FKK with touristic visa and without family in Germany. 1 was superstar and the most honest girl at Oase. I wish we will have real Russians or Latvians or even Ukrainians in Germany, even I love my Romanians, and now also 1 Hungarian since Jana at Sharks, and a few Germans, too many girls to love in NRW, before returning to Globe, as I promised, but never enough beauties for my eyes and brain pleasure. I love slavian type beauties, round face and white skin.Also some African girls or south Americans like Selena at World, in FKK, not born in Germany, so why not Russians or Ukrainians? Before there were many Russians in clubs.
Why do you say this? Many Russian or Ukrainian escorts touring in Paris, Milano, Torino, Brussels, with tourist visa. Also some real Russian or Latvian girls working in FKK with touristic visa and without family in Germany. 1 was superstar and the most honest girl at Oase. I wish we will have real Russians or Latvians or even Ukrainians in Germany, even I love my Romanians, and now also 1 Hungarian since Jana at Sharks, and a few Germans, too many girls to love in NRW, before returning to Globe, as I promised, but never enough beauties for my eyes and brain pleasure. I love slavian type beauties, round face and white skin.Well latvians and hungarians are eu citizens. Nevertheless I guess you know, but your wording made it confusing. I believe HB is living in an bubble somewhere with too much faith in regulations full of loopholes. Times have changed since the russia/ukraine war, and more and more russians and ukrainians are entering the ranks... perhaps not in german fkk's, but they are easily found elsewhere. And most people only want a quickie, so to a large extent it is one overlapping market... most of them know about german fkk's very well, but they claim the 50e price is a bit too low. At least the very hot ones do... but that is what brings most of us to german fkk's also. The lower price, and the facilities. I think german fkk's probably have to lower their entry price going forward so girls can raise their prices by 10-20e... that could bring in more top girls. Many top romanians also avoid fkk's these days. I guess they haven't really considered the possibility of being a top fish in a pond... so the ones in German fkk's these days should actually be glad the competition is as low as it is.
ExpatLover
07-03-17, 07:58
Why do you say this? Many Russian or Ukrainian escorts touring in Paris, Milano, Torino, Brussels, with tourist visa. Also some real Russian or Latvian girls working in FKK with touristic visa and without family in Germany. 1 was superstar and the most honest girl at Oase. I wish we will have real Russians or Latvians or even Ukrainians in Germany, even I love my Romanians, and now also 1 Hungarian since Jana at Sharks, and a few Germans, too many girls to love in NRW, before returning to Globe, as I promised, but never enough beauties for my eyes and brain pleasure. I love slavian type beauties, round face and white skin.From now on, if you are new in the P6 scene you need to be register, is it possible to do it with a tourist visa, really I am not sure at all.
BBBJ over the phone? Must be strange experience.Speakers of German will appreciate the twist on an old chestnut: keine Nummer unter diesem Anschluss.
Hessen Bub
07-03-17, 08:39
I believe HB is living in an bubble How many Ukrainians have you met in German FKK clubs lately?
HB.
Well latvians and hungarians are eu citizens. Nevertheless I guess you know, but your wording made it confusing. I believe HB is living in an bubble somewhere with too much faith in regulations full of loopholes. Times have changed since the russia/ukraine war, and more and more russians and ukrainians are entering the ranks... perhaps not in german fkk's, but they are easily found elsewhere. And most people only want a quickie, so to a large extent it is one overlapping market... most of them know about german fkk's very well, but they claim the 50e price is a bit too low. At least the very hot ones do... but that is what brings most of us to german fkk's also. The lower price, and the facilities. I think german fkk's probably have to lower their entry price going forward so girls can raise their prices by 10-20e... that could bring in more top girls. Many top romanians also avoid fkk's these days. I guess they havent really considerred the possibility of being a top fish in a pond... so the ones in german fkk's these days should actually be glad the competition is as low as it is...Many Russians or Ukrainians are prostitutes all over EU, using touristic visa. Also many Africans or Brazilians. At least in France, Belgium and Italy.
I met some real Russians in FKK, living in Russia, even many are not, like Anya Oase or Luana GT.
Top girls in FKK can make nearly 20000 per month, for superstars 30000 at Globe, pretty same than escorts of Agency who work for 250/ h, but share 50% with Agency, so only 125 for the girl. At GT or LR, entry is 50 for girls, not 100 with tax which disappear.
I think main problem for girls to work in FKK is less and less good clients, and new law could increase this. There will always be good girls who get good business like Sandra or Mandy at Sharks, but average girls will have to leave because they won t get enough business. Even at Sharks, best girls left and many GND arrived. I don t think girls want to lose their CIM business which save their vagina, many guys just want to be sucked and finish in mouth, and at Oase, some girls are specialists for 15 mn, 100 € CIM rooms without fucking.
Good point is easier and easier for me, girls seem happy to have 1 hour room for 100 with me, and no upselling, so I can have a good day for 250/260 , eating all day, drinking all day, watching Formula 1 or moto GP or tennis or tour de France or Bundesliga and having 2 enjoyable rooms when I m ready.
No worry for me, my only problem is how to manage 12 girls to meet in NRW and 4 in Switzerland, with maybe also Ina at Wellcum on August. Too many girls for me. I would prefer to find the perfect classy, elegant, GFE natural beauty and meet only her, I thought I found her, but she is not anymore for me and I really regret because she was my best ever in clubs for woman sensuality.
How many Ukrainians have you met in German FKK clubs lately?
HB.What is the difference between Ukrainians and Russians or Africans or South Americans to work in FKK? Many Africans in clubs, a few Russians, some at GT, not Jane who is German born even she speaks Russian at home.
You are so right Siri. Words to live by in the FKK world. And we'd better learn from mistakes of fellow punters so we won't become a next victim. I always appreciate your insights..Unfortunately, we think we are better than others and don't care enough about what can happen to others, so we better learn from our own experience.
This is money business, so pay for sex you enjoy, if you want A level, pay 50 in NRW or 100 in Hessen or 200 in Switzerland, but pay only for sex, we don't have to pay for love, a girl in love doesn't make you pay, a girl who ask you money doesn't love you, she just fuck your mind. My advice. Brothels and prostitutes are not the best for love. There are many girls waiting for big love in real life.
ACA has Kondompflicht signs at front desk, inside each locker, and various other places. Told my regular to fetch a key, but she said "wait I have to tell you something". Then she explains the new law that forbids BBBJ. I thought she was joking at first. I tried to reassure her that nobody would know, but was unsuccessful. She smiled and apologized profusely, but she just kind of gave me the look "I need to follow orders".
A second WG that was new to me. We spoke at least 7 times, each time short 2-3 minute conversations. Final conversation, I decided to confirm that she will do BBBJ. She says "No only with". Spent about a minute or so convincing her, but again was unsuccessful.
So zero sessions. Zero upsell attempts. Men seemed to be still going to the rooms, so maybe I was just picking the wrong WGs, or BBBJ isn't that important for them. Not a huge sample size so maybe not conclusive findings, but I don't have any plans to return any time soon. My plan is to speak to other mongers I know in the coming months and hopefully get updates on the situation. I doubt it will come from the forums since ACA isn't that well reported in English, Dutch, German, or French.
. I thought she was joking at first. I tried to reassure her that nobody would know, but was unsuccessful. She smiled and apologized profusely, but she just kind of gave me the look "I need to follow orders".
A second WG that was new to me. We spoke at least 7 times, each time short 2-3 minute conversations. Final conversation, I decided to confirm that she will do BBBJ. She says "No only with". Spent about a minute or so convincing her, but again was unsuccessful.
Think that's BS they prolly wanted you to pay extra for BBBJ, LOL.
Think that's BS they prolly wanted you to pay extra for BBBJ, LOL.They had opportunity to re-engage me. I stayed there for a bit before exiting conversation. And they saw me multiple times later throughout night. They just smiled.
They had opportunity to re-engage me. I stayed there for a bit before exiting conversation. And they saw me multiple times later throughout night. They just smiled.Maybe they knew you wudnt pay extra.
You shouldve tried this "10 e extra ok" LOL.
ACA has Kondompflicht signs at front desk, inside each locker, and various other places. Told my regular to fetch a key, but she said "wait I have to tell you something". Then she explains the new law that forbids BBBJ. I thought she was joking at first. I tried to reassure her that nobody would know, but was unsuccessful. She smiled and apologized profusely, but she just kind of gave me the look "I need to follow orders".
A second WG that was new to me. We spoke at least 7 times, each time short 2-3 minute conversations. Final conversation, I decided to confirm that she will do BBBJ. She says "No only with". Spent about a minute or so convincing her, but again was unsuccessful.
So zero sessions. Zero upsell attempts. Men seemed to be still going to the rooms, so maybe I was just picking the wrong WGs, or BBBJ isn't that important for them. Not a huge sample size so maybe not conclusive findings, but I don't have any plans to return any time soon. My plan is to speak to other mongers I know in the coming months and hopefully get updates on the situation. I doubt it will come from the forums since ACA isn't that well reported in English, Dutch, German, or French.WGs were informed by clubs about new law, at Aca, LR, GT. At Samya, staff made police come to explain law to girls and my new girl of week end seemed scared to be prosecuted about BBBJ. Not sure they were well explained the true law. I had to explain her only clients would be prosecuted, not her. Law consider WGs as victims about sex. She could be prosecuted only if not registering before 1st January. Because she is a little mum and I like her, because she told me what she understood about new law when coming to me again after midnight to ask me if I wanted to return to room with her, I explained her before going to room, I took 5 mn when we arrived in room to explain her again and make sure she understood she will never have to pay 50000 as she understood, then she was more comfortable, ask me for same pleasure than previous night and just wanted to please me back.
Like in real life, speaking with girls to make sure all is understood help for sex. When girls trust you, they want to please you. For my last room with her, my LR girl really wanted I finish, it seemed important for her, but it was not important for me, only bad images in my eyes and brain were important, making the beginning of the end.
a girl who ask you money doesn't love you, she just fuck your mind. My advice. Brothels and prostitutes are not the best for love. There are many girls waiting for big love in real life.You are rite French 👹.
At least she should give you CIM for free if she rly likes you, LOL.
Polyamorist
07-03-17, 15:02
ACA has Kondompflicht signs at front desk, inside each locker, and various other places.Signs of the apocalypse. Sounds like the Writing is on the Wall for the FKK system. Be warned though, if I see any of those signs I will squirt all over them. Then they will also have to cover the signs in kondoms -- just in case somebody accidentally touches one and catches, like, trafficking or something.
http://m.bild.de/politik/inland/prostitutionsgesetz/neue-regeln-im-puff-52395980.bildMobile.html
Sounds like some of the authorities are less than evangelical about enforcement and will be fairly relaxed so long as there is no advertising or screaming for attention, so far as the condom elements of the new law are concerned.There's an upper bound on the plans of the Evil Empress, and that's how many Stormtroopers can be persuaded to enforce the new laws. Let's face it, it can't be the most glamorous gig for Frankfurt's Finest: crouching outside a Zimmer, peeking through the keyhole from time to time, snorting indignantly at critical points in the proceedings. "Don't make me come in there!
So apparently Acapulco is the first FKK to fall.
Went there once for the 40 euro sessions. But never again.
Someone reported Samya was still OK on another topic.
ACA has Kondompflicht signs at front desk, inside each locker, and various other places. Told my regular to fetch a key, but she said "wait I have to tell you something". Then she explains the new law that forbids BBBJ. I thought she was joking at first. I tried to reassure her that nobody would know, but was unsuccessful. She smiled and apologized profusely, but she just kind of gave me the look "I need to follow orders".
A second WG that was new to me. We spoke at least 7 times, each time short 2-3 minute conversations. Final conversation, I decided to confirm that she will do BBBJ. She says "No only with". Spent about a minute or so convincing her, but again was unsuccessful.
So zero sessions. Zero upsell attempts. Men seemed to be still going to the rooms, so maybe I was just picking the wrong WGs, or BBBJ isn't that important for them. Not a huge sample size so maybe not conclusive findings, but I don't have any plans to return any time soon. My plan is to speak to other mongers I know in the coming months and hopefully get updates on the situation. I doubt it will come from the forums since ACA isn't that well reported in English, Dutch, German, or French.
Citizen Kane
07-03-17, 16:52
ACA has Kondompflicht signs at front desk, inside each locker, and various other places.Fortunately, I don't understand German.
Fortunately, I don't understand German.I guess your post was sarcasm but for real I think it means condom duty but hasn't it been always like this. Now you need to wear condom also when the girl suck you? How about licking the girl's pussy?
MythoVirus
07-03-17, 18:18
I guess your post was sarcasm but for real I think it means condom duty but hasn't it been always like this. Now you need to wear condom also when the girl suck you? How about licking the girl's pussy?It shows how fragile the rules are, in regard to DATY it should be covered as it is the equivalent to BBBJ, what about rimming passively or actively, it's all BS. I truley totally understand banning unprotected vaginal and anal sex, which makes sense, but adding BBBJ alone to the ban is beyond my reasoning other than it's easier for the government to ban everything rather than specify with good solid reasoning.
Member #4585
07-03-17, 19:27
ACA has Kondompflicht signs at front desk, inside each locker, and various other places. Told my regular to fetch a key, but she said "wait I have to tell you something". Then she explains the new law that forbids BBBJ. I thought she was joking at first. I tried to reassure her that nobody would know, but was unsuccessful. She smiled and apologized profusely, but she just kind of gave me the look "I need to follow orders".
A second WG that was new to me. We spoke at least 7 times, each time short 2-3 minute conversations. Final conversation, I decided to confirm that she will do BBBJ. She says "No only with". Spent about a minute or so convincing her, but again was unsuccessful.
So zero sessions. Zero upsell attempts. Men seemed to be still going to the rooms, so maybe I was just picking the wrong WGs, or BBBJ isn't that important for them. Not a huge sample size so maybe not conclusive findings, but I don't have any plans to return any time soon. My plan is to speak to other mongers I know in the coming months and hopefully get updates on the situation. I doubt it will come from the forums since ACA isn't that well reported in English, Dutch, German, or French.Speaking to some regulars at various clubs the feedback is that if they know you then BBBJ is available and if they do not know you so well or not at all then BJ is with condom as required by the law. I guess this is at the discretionary decision of the girl as the intention of the law is that the girls are at a disadvantage so need to be given some control over what they do.
So I guess that this is a test of your regular status with girls.
It is good to have asked prior to the law change where you stood as many guys have done prior to the law change.
Good that there was zero up-selling.
ExpatLover
07-03-17, 20:32
Speaking to some regulars at various clubs the feedback is that if they know you then BBBJ is available and if they do not know you so well or not at all then BJ is with condom as required by the law. I guess this is at the discretionary decision of the girl as the intention of the law is that the girls are at a disadvantage so need to be given some control over what they do.
So I guess that this is a test of your regular status with girls.
It is good to have asked prior to the law change where you stood as many guys have done prior to the law change.
Good that there was zero up-selling.As already forecasted, in 6 months BBBJ will be at 98% not available in Germany like in many other countries except you know well the girl or she is really desperate to earn some money.
How many Ukrainians have you met in German FKK clubs lately?
HB.I've never checked their passports. Nontheless, I didn't talk about german FKK's now.
, if you want A level, pay 50 in NRW or 100 in Hessen or 200 in Switzerland,
I've had a level on Hessen for 50 most of the time you must be picking the wrong girls. (Or 55ish since I give a small tip normally).
How many Ukrainians have you met in German FKK clubs lately?
HB.For about 12 years of busy FKK history I've seen two Ukrainian girls and many that pretended to be Ukrainian. I speak both Ukrainian and Russian and I can easily find out whether girls is Ukrainian or not. Both real Ukrainian girls were German citizens after marrying and then divorcing German guys. They weren't young. Same story applies to most of Russian girls as well.
If someone wants Ukrainian girl go to Kiev. Plenty of options for any budget.
So I guess that this is a test of your regular status with girls.
I have a sneaking suspicion that ACA management may be discouraging BBBJ, in the way some Hessen clubs discourage WGs from meeting clients outside the club. Of course for "preferred status customers", WGs will risk being banned from the club.
Even if they can't be prosecuted, I assume neither the club nor the WG want the extra "heat" from authorities. I can't see how having authorities on-premise is good for business. So my hope is all parties are just being extra cautious, and things will change.
Of course, my interaction was just an isolated case. It could be that this WG does not like me, so the new law provides a convenient way for her to discourage me from approaching her again. WG's have banned me before, but this didn't feel like the previous occasions, hence the sneaking suspicion.
My report may not have any relevance outside of ACA. Hessen big-5 has different clientele, different scale, much bigger spenders, etc.
Fortunately, I don't understand German.You are probably just joking, but the signs are little everywhere. ACA really went overboard. It is actually animated cartoon drawing (condom with a a face), and believe the verbiage was both German and English. I guess the local Turks can claim to not know either language.
For about 12 years of busy FKK history I've seen two Ukrainian girls and many that pretended to be Ukrainian. Where were the pretenders from? Other Russian-speaking countries? Or Romania?
Both real Ukrainian girls were German citizens after marrying and then divorcing German guys. They weren't young. Same story applies to most of Russian girls as well.Germany would have allowed these women to bring any non-adult children over.
I've had a level on hessen for 50 most of the time... you must be picking the wrong girls. (Or 55ish since I give a small tip normally)Anaconda is too big for little girls ass, but always heard usual Hessen A level rate is 100 , versus 50 in NRW with some real woman ass.
Like usual Hessen rate for CIM is 50, versus 25 in NRW, except for Oceans as say girls there. Many girls should lose money for CIM business with new law. When less and less clients, maybe crowd fall will be increasing with new law, they may also lose money about services, when some were 100 € for 15 mn specialists without fucking. Lower money for business and little girls will have to grow their vagina.
Hessen Bub
07-04-17, 10:04
It shows how fragile the rules are, in regard to DATY it should be covered as it is the equivalent to BBBJ.Should or shouldn't, who cares. The law is what it is. BBBJ is illegal, DATY or rimming is not.
HB.
Why hasn't anyone filed a stay request or injunction against this law in a German court? It would appear to violate equal protection if it allows DATY uncovered.
Should or shouldn't, who cares. The law is what it is. BBBJ is illegal, DATY or rimming is not.
HB.
Citizen Kane
07-04-17, 17:23
It shows how fragile the rules are, in regard to DATY it should be covered as it is the equivalent to BBBJ, what about rimming passively or actively, it's all BS. I truley totally understand banning unprotected vaginal and anal sex, which makes sense, but adding BBBJ alone to the ban is beyond my reasoning other than it's easier for the government to ban everything rather than specify with good solid reasoning.It does seem that BBBJ was added just for completeness.
Merkel: "I asked Schäuble where else men like to poke it. He said he couldn't remember... "
Hessen Bub
07-04-17, 18:52
Why hasn't anyone filed a stay request or injunction against this law in a German court? It would appear to violate equal protection if it allows DATY uncovered.Go and give it a try.
HB.
Anaconda is too big for little girls ass, but always heard usual Hessen A level rate is 100 , versus 50 in NRW with some real woman ass.
Like usual Hessen rate for CIM is 50, versus 25 in NRW, except for Oceans as say girls there. Many girls should lose money for CIM business with new law. When less and less clients, maybe crowd fall will be increasing with new law, they may also lose money about services, when some were 100 for 15 mn specialists without fucking. Lower money for business and little girls will have to grow their vagina.Some Oase girls who are not even able to get you deep in their ass, even try to charge 200 for A level.
ExpatLover
07-04-17, 20:29
Anaconda is too big for little girls ass, but always heard usual Hessen A level rate is 100 , versus 50 in NRW with some real woman ass.
Like usual Hessen rate for CIM is 50, versus 25 in NRW, except for Oceans as say girls there. Many girls should lose money for CIM business with new law. When less and less clients, maybe crowd fall will be increasing with new law, they may also lose money about services, when some were 100 for 15 mn specialists without fucking. Lower money for business and little girls will have to grow their vagina.For the moment it seems the new law has negatively impacted the business, at least for World and Shark, Oase seems to be good this Sunday for the girls. The other clubs I don't know.
For about 12 years of busy FKK history I've seen two Ukrainian girls and many that pretended to be Ukrainian. I speak both Ukrainian and Russian and I can easily find out whether girls is Ukrainian or not. Both real Ukrainian girls were German citizens after marrying and then divorcing German guys. They weren't young. Same story applies to most of Russian girls as well.
If someone wants Ukrainian girl go to Kiev. Plenty of options for any budget.I've met at least 2 at Oase and 1 at Artemis. Then again, they could allways be lying.
Anaconda is too big for little girls ass, but always heard usual Hessen A level rate is 100 , versus 50 in NRW with some real woman ass.OK, my bad. Thats what you ment with A-level...
Why hasn't anyone filed a stay request or injunction against this law in a German court? It would appear to violate equal protection if it allows DATY uncovered.There were petitions against the Law, did you sign them or try to find out about them? You're expecting "someone" to stand up for your rights but like all men, you have decided to do nothing.
There are pro-prostitution lobbies out there, plus quite a number of sex-positive MRAs, have you ever considered donating them 20 or 50 euros?
Here's the result of men never standing up for their rights, it's all over the place:
https://redeeminggod.com/rescue-girls-from-forced-prostitution/
http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/society/article/why-frances-decision-to-ban-prostitution-is-great-news.html
Etc.
Etc.
Polyamorist
07-05-17, 01:29
Why hasn't anyone filed a stay request or injunction against this law in a German court? It would appear to violate equal protection if it allows DATY uncovered.Most likely, the new laws were written by people who never saw the inside of an FKK, or even the inside of a pussy. These laws would be a lot smarter if they were written by those of us with "skin in the game". That is why I proposed the Eisbaren-Schutzgesetz over on the FKK Lounge and Chat thread.
MythoVirus
07-05-17, 03:20
It does seem that BBBJ was added just for completeness.
Merkel: "I asked Schuble where else men like to poke it. He said he couldn't remember... "Would love to see mandatory covered handjobs tho, for the sake of completeness ofc.
MythoVirus
07-05-17, 03:36
Kindly can someone update us on Frankfurt big 5 FKK BBBJ status?
The only 2 reports I read was on.
Oase day 1, BBBJ was as normal as it always was, and a girl did a BBBJ in public (kino).
Mainhatten, BBBJ was offered with 1 hour but not half hour sessions.
So does Oase / Mainhatten hold still as described above?
And what about World / Sharks / Palace.
If BBBJ is offered is it same price, with extra, and is it in private rooms only or public also.
Thanks in advance.
I've met at least 2 at Oase and 1 at Artemis. Then again, they could allways be lying.
Ok, my bad. Thats what you ment with A-level...Many Ukrainian escorts met in EU, no Ukrainian met in FKK, very pretty Andrea at Sharks was Bulgarian, not Ukrainian, but some real Russian girls met and making tours in FKK, with returning at home.
A level is anal sex for escorts services.
If it becomes very difficult for escorts to work in Paris, maybe a few could work at GT or Globe where they can make about same money, 1000 per day.
ExpatLover
07-05-17, 11:56
Most likely, the new laws were written by people who never saw the inside of an FKK, or even the inside of a pussy. These laws would be a lot smarter if they were written by those of us with "skin in the game". That is why I proposed the Eisbaren-Schutzgesetz over on the FKK Lounge and Chat thread.Don't be so critical, most probably the hidden target of the new law is to reduce the offer by increased controls, age restrictions etc. Some clubs will probably close their doors in the coming months. Less clubs less girls less mongers as a consequence husband and boyfriend staying at home for the full benefits of the spouses.
Many Ukrainian escorts met in EU, no Ukrainian met in FKK, very pretty Andrea at Sharks was Bulgarian, not Ukrainian, but some real Russian girls met and making tours in FKK, with returning at home.
A level is anal sex for escorts services.
If it becomes very difficult for escorts to work in Paris, maybe a few could work at GT or Globe where they can make about same money, 1000 per day.I believe both blonde Natasha 2014 and Mira last summer at Oase claimed to be Ukrainian. And both looked like they could be.
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Polyamorist
07-06-17, 10:38
Better if nobody report on this any more.BBBJ is the new Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name.
Many countries that we are discussing here Prostitution is illegal entirely. Should we also stop reporting about any of this anymore?
Check the other thread someone posted that CBJ was starting at GT! The end of an era.
The only reason to go to FKK's was that it was clear and organized and convenient. All providers located in the same place with food and showers and a good place to relax and some supervision by the door frau if a problem occurred. Now it seems that independents are the way to go in order to ensure high service levels. And for that matter many tourists will not need to come to Deutschland anymore due to the poon experience being more extensive and not reliable. So might as well stay home instead.
MythoVirus
07-06-17, 15:55
I seriously doubt this forum can have any impact in Germany about the new law, nevertheless it seems many dedicated members share your believe so I respect that.
Check the other thread someone posted that CBJ was starting at GT! The end of an era.
The only reason to go to FKK's was that it was clear and organized and convenient. All providers located in the same place with food and showers and a good place to relax and some supervision by the door frau if a problem occurred. Now it seems that independents are the way to go in order to ensure high service levels. And for that matter many tourists will not need to come to Deutschland anymore due to the poon experience being more extensive and not reliable. So might as well stay home instead.If you want free BBBJ, go to YY or 6 ens NL, or Austria or Switzerland, if You are not able to play your own private game in Germany. We get from our behavior with girls, most of girls want to please us.
ExpatLover
07-06-17, 18:39
Check the other thread someone posted that CBJ was starting at GT! The end of an era.
The only reason to go to FKK's was that it was clear and organized and convenient. All providers located in the same place with food and showers and a good place to relax and some supervision by the door frau if a problem occurred. Now it seems that independents are the way to go in order to ensure high service levels. And for that matter many tourists will not need to come to Deutschland anymore due to the poon experience being more extensive and not reliable. So might as well stay home instead.Except condom every remains unchanged, for me still great to go there, it is legal, safe, affordable.
Member #4585
07-06-17, 19:30
Many countries that we are discussing here Prostitution is illegal entirely. Should we also stop reporting about any of this anymore?The Admin of the forum says no. Continue to report and discuss with open and sharing attitude.
Hessen Bub
07-06-17, 19:56
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Reporting on BBBJ is one way to reduce its availability. In the same way as girls who did bareback in the past were thrown out of clubs on the flimsiest of evidence, including forum reports, girls who do BBBJ will be thrown out by the mainstream clubs.
The environment has changed and anyone who wants bareback (oral, vaginal, or anal) will, in my view, need to be careful not to cause problems for their providers.
Reporting on BBBJ is one way to reduce its availability. In the same way as girls who did bareback in the past were thrown out of clubs on the flimsiest of evidence, including forum reports, girls who do BBBJ will be thrown out by the mainstream clubs.
The environment has changed and anyone who wants bareback (oral, vaginal, or anal) will, in my view, need to be careful not to cause problems for their providers.Yes, law is to protect WGs and our and family health, but independant WGs are free to provide kind of sex they want to have with us, they can provide different services with different guys. BBBJ and BB sex in AO clubs are not standard services anymore, but illegal and prosecuted for clients, WGs are free about this. Just ask and choose before going to room, like about kissing.
If a girl provides, better to be clever enough about her, to keep private, she may not want to provide with anybody.
New game to play to get what we want, with our manners. New sex World in Germany. Still enjoyable because playful.
Hessen Bub
07-06-17, 22:26
Reporting on BBBJ is one way to reduce its availability. In the same way as girls who did bareback in the past were thrown out of clubs on the flimsiest of evidence, including forum reports, girls who do BBBJ will be thrown out by the mainstream clubs.Can't agree more. I know of a girl who was thrown out of a club a few days ago because she did BBBJ. The guy also had to leave.
HB.
Member #4581
07-06-17, 23:16
Can't agree more. I know of a girl who was thrown out of a club a few days ago because she did BBBJ. The guy also had to leave.
HB.But HB, even you reported a day or two ago that you witnessed public BBBJ in some club after June 30. It was quite appreciated by many of us, in fact.
NOw you say, a girl and guy are kicked out for the same occurrence. I guess clubs are still trying to figure out this situation? At least in Oase thread, many have reported things haven't changed much.
In any case, we don't know that there is any link between this (girl and guy kicked out) and reporting on ISG. That's what we are debating here: Does our discussion in this little corner impact anything in the clubs at large?
And whether the moderator might care or not, many of us do care about bbbj sustainability in the German FKKs - just as much as the locals do.
Did they at least give the guy a refund? Was it a NRW club? This is terrible.
This is going to kill the tourism industry. I think everyone should boycott until the change the law back. If enough complaints occur then they will change it back. I would offer to file a legal challenge to it but I would need an apartment in Dusseldorf, the use of a car, a parking garage, money for expenses and food, a translator preferably a blonde German college girl age 18-19, plus a copy of the German constitution to study before outlining my arguments.
But HB, even you reported a day or two ago that you witnessed public BBBJ in some club after June 30. It was quite appreciated by many of us, in fact.
NOw you say, a girl and guy are kicked out for the same occurrence. I guess clubs are still trying to figure out this situation? At least in Oase thread, many have reported things haven't changed much.
In any case, we don't know that there is any link between this (girl and guy kicked out) and reporting on ISG. That's what we are debating here: Does our discussion in this little corner impact anything in the clubs at large?
And whether the moderator might care or not, many of us do care about bbbj sustainability in the German FKKs - just as much as the locals do.
KC Questor
07-07-17, 01:19
So this board is a wealth of information, and I am trying to read it all, but I do have one question for you experienced FKK visitors. I'll be spending a few days in Berlin, and then heading to the NWR & Hessen area. My flight is out of Frankfurt and I'm sure I could spend my whole time there. But I know I want to visit Koln and the NWR places as well. I'll have about 5 days and will probably have a car. I'd love some advice. This will be my first time at FKKs, although I am an experienced traveler.
Is it better to stay a couple days in NWR and then a couple of days in Frankfurt? Or should I stick to one home base and just take day trips? It looks like Koblenz is centrally located. Would that be a good place to stay? I looked all over this site for hotel recommendations bat am not finding anything. Does anyone have suggestions for a good cheap centrally-located hotel that is convenient for visiting FKKs (and maybe some regular sight-seeing)? PMs are welcome as well.
KC: Just get a large rental car and sleep in that. Perfect mobility. So easy to move fast between clubs also and get there at opening. And then you can also do sightseeing and switch clubs if the lineup is poor too... You said you were an experienced traveller didn't you?
TankTank123
07-07-17, 06:49
KC: Just get a large rental car and sleep in that. 😛.But watch out! Sleeping in igloo cars also attract the polizei, even if you have no alcohol but only cyprine in your mouth! 😁See below.
from 7.30 am to 10 am, I had 3 polizei cars only for me, on a parking, not even driving, and we had to call Strasburg in France police and I called a friend lawyer. 0 alcohol controlled.
Hessen Bub
07-07-17, 08:36
But HB, even you reported a day or two ago that you witnessed public BBBJ in some club after June 30. It was quite appreciated by many of us, in fact.
In any case, we don't know that there is any link between this (girl and guy kicked out) and reporting on ISG. That's what we are debating here: Does our discussion in this little corner impact anything in the clubs at large?
And whether the moderator might care or not, many of us do care about bbbj sustainability in the German FKKs - just as much as the locals do.I didn't specifiy the club. The reason was to protect the club and the girls and not to ruin BBBJ. I have no idea if reporting about BBBJ on ISG will have an impact, if authorities are reading here. Or if the clubs are. And if they react because it was openly reported that within the club the law is being violated which could lead to problems for the club. And because we all do not know my advice is NOT to report. That's all. I thought it is common sense, but apparently it is not.
My comment about the admin's attitude towards postings about BB practices in Germany got deleted. One comment on that: Admin does allow reports about BBBJ or BBFS in Germany. But that doesn't mean users HAVE to report about it.
HB.
KC.
Koblenz is a bad choice. It means you will be driving backwards and forwards to the Frankfurt and Koln clubs: I've done it and I ended up feeling like a commuter, three hours driving or more every day which could be spent in clubs. Better to start with the Frankfurt area and if you don't like it then move on.
Hotels. It all depends where you are and what you want.
SpeedySteel44
07-07-17, 10:10
So this board is a wealth of information, and I am trying to read it all, but I do have one question for you experienced FKK visitors. I'll be spending a few days in Berlin, and then heading to the NWR & Hessen area. My flight is out of Frankfurt and I'm sure I could spend my whole time there. But I know I want to visit Koln and the NWR places as well. I'll have about 5 days and will probably have a car. I'd love some advice. This will be my first time at FKKs, although I am an experienced traveler.
Is it better to stay a couple days in NWR and then a couple of days in Frankfurt? Or should I stick to one home base and just take day trips? It looks like Koblenz is centrally located. Would that be a good place to stay? I looked all over this site for hotel recommendations bat am not finding anything. Does anyone have suggestions for a good cheap centrally-located hotel that is convenient for visiting FKKs (and maybe some regular sight-seeing)? PMs are welcome as well.AirBnb is the best and cheapest option. I always get AirBnb. Cheaper than hotel, better location than hotel, more choices than hotels, and you get a kitchen and more space.
I feeling some people here both senior and new guys making a Big fuss out of the new law, speculating clubs and law coming here to follow our posts. It can be true and it Can be bullsh.
Ill say it as it is after visiting several clubs in Hamburg and Berlin, a week after the new law. Inside the room nothing has changed! Every forums got dramaqueens LOL.
I drive 180 km / h in the 120 km / h zone. But there's more. When the photo radar ticket comes in the mail weeks or months later, I ignore it. Then when the rental car company charges my credit card on file for giving out info to the radar people, I dispute the charge. I have even gotten to the point of putting duct tape over the plate on occasion.
LOL yeah you just enjoy your legit BJ and follow the law, ill continue get my BBBJ at my clubs, and hell no the girls I've been with are scared! Maybe cause I'm a regular or not. Ill post as the law is in this forum, and ill report BBBJ as I want as it is allowed and usefull to my fellow mongors. And defently not listening to some self appointed policeman in here lmao! Peace out.
What is more important? To recive a BBBJ, och to write about a BBBJ?
T.Did you read My post? Already told the reason Why I write it LOL but I'm not wasting anymore of My time on this discussion. I Will as I said continue with BBBJ reports and I Will answer fellow mongors, about the clubs and doubts about BBBJ. Again peace out, stop worrying and speculating too much, instead plan your next visit to the lovely girls!
But watch out! Sleeping in igloo cars also attract the polizei, even if you have no alcohol but only cyprine in your mouth! 😁See below.Only in Germany, LOL.
AznNick. Sorry you didn't engage with the points others made.
Pistons. I had not guessed as much as 50%. Is that from your own chats with girls?. Cheers.
I feeling some people here both senior and new guys making a Big fuss out of the new law, speculating clubs and law coming here to follow our posts. It can be true and it Can be bullsh.
Ill say it as it is after visiting several clubs in Hamburg and Berlin, a week after the new law. Inside the room nothing has changed! Every forums got dramaqueens LOL.I guess not everyone is as reckless as you.
I have used the search engine to try find post about this, and found there has been an incident with a guy walking to the westkreuz station at 3 am. I will be at Artemis from 10 Oct. (next weekend) and will have a Berlin welcome card for the holidays and attractions.
But I'm not sure if its worth the risk walking to the station.
Do you guys leaving in the middle of the night, take a taxi or the walk? Is it very dark, or are there lights all the way? The cost of taxi to the hotel is properly around 20-25 euros and for 4-5 nights that will be 100 euros vs free with welcome card.
I'm a small Asian, so not that big, but I can run very fast LOL! If any of you will be there, lets walk to the station together LOL.
AznNick. Sorry you didn't engage with the points others made.
Pistons. I had not guessed as much as 50%. Is that from your own chats with girls?. Cheers.Yes, get to know them better and eventually it allmost allways gets brought up. Directly or indirectly. Even if they admit it or not.
ExpatLover
07-07-17, 21:52
LOL yeah you just enjoy your legit BJ and follow the law, ill continue get my BBBJ at my clubs, and hell no the girls I've been with are scared! Maybe cause I'm a regular or not. Ill post as the law is in this forum, and ill report BBBJ as I want as it is allowed and usefull to my fellow mongors. And defently not listening to some self appointed policeman in here lmao! Peace out.Obviously you are too optimistic BBBJ is over.
KC Questor
07-08-17, 01:06
KC: Just get a large rental car and sleep in that. Perfect mobility. So easy to move fast between clubs also and get there at opening. And then you can also do sightseeing and switch clubs if the lineup is poor too... You said you were an experienced traveller didn't you? 😛.Hah, that doesn't sound attractive at all. I'm an experienced traveler, but I like a real bed.
Koblenz is a bad choice. It means you will be driving backwards and forwards to the Frankfurt and Koln clubs: I've done it and I ended up feeling like a commuter, three hours driving or more every day which could be spent in clubs. Better to start with the Frankfurt area and if you don't like it then move on.Thanks. Google Maps says it is just 1 hour from Koblenz to Cologne by car, and I do that commute pretty much every day. But maybe that is optimistic of Google. I also thought the hotel prices might be lower in a smaller town.
AirBnb is the best and cheapest option. I always get AirBnb. Cheaper than hotel, better location than hotel, more choices than hotels, and you get a kitchen and more space.I've heard good things, but have trouble with the thought of staying in someone else's house. I'll take another look. I have no problem just finding a basic hotel that looks centrally located. In Colombia and Brazil and Costa Rica there are hotels that are favored by guys in the hobby, but since I'll mostly be traveling to the FKKs I guess it doesn't matter. Anyway, if anyone has a favorite hotel that is cheap, clean, and convenient feel free to PM me. I won't clutter the board with a million questions. Appreciate the feedback.
TankTank123
07-08-17, 02:32
Say the distance between Frankfurt and NRW is y km, and Koblenz is halfway between them.
If one stays at Koblenz, distance travelled per day to visit either Frankfurt or NRW = 2 X 1/2y = y km. Distance travelled in 5 days = 5y km.
If one stays in Frankfurt for a few days, goes to NRW and stays there for a few days, and then returns to Frankfurt, distance travelled in 5 days = 2 X y = 2y km.
So by staying at Koblenz, one has to expend 2 1/2X in petrol and travelling time spent.
By the way, I did not find Koblenz very interesting. It was heavily bombed during the war, so there are not many old buildings left. Useful only if you are starting a Rhine cruise from there, which I did once.
I feeling some people here both senior and new guys making a Big fuss out of the new law, speculating clubs and law coming here to follow our posts. It can be true and it Can be bullsh.
Ill say it as it is after visiting several clubs in Hamburg and Berlin, a week after the new law. Inside the room nothing has changed! Every forums got dramaqueens LOL.Facts are there is a new law working in Germany since 1st July and it's illegal with prosecution risks for clients asking for BBBJ or bareback sex. I wonder if Atmos still write +20 for BBBJ on all rooms doors? Like was written before, for extra about 50 € 30 mn CBJ / fuck.
Yesterday I returned to Globe Zurich for Megan. No problem for long time BBBJ there and I discovered Megan new friend, so fresh, what a natural beauty and sensitive, Misha. Ro.
At least, for those who want to write, try not to make problems to your girls.
Still many places where free BBBJ: NL, Belgium, Spain, Austria, Switzerland, Russia in privates, France even prostitutes clients can be prosecuted but no law about BBBJ.
Citizen Kane
07-08-17, 08:02
But maybe that is optimistic of Google.I find Google maps times to nearly always be optimistic.
Between NRW and FRA, Dierdorf on autobahn. Arrive at Finca at 10 pm, entry 35, can have diner and sleep until 4 am in the garden under the moon. Day at 5 am now. Maybe can find also a enjoyable girl.
Neurosynth
07-08-17, 09:52
If BB action is kept in the room there is no way to prosecute the man, the woman, or the club. The only way this law can be effective is through psychological intimidation. Fear mongers are ultimately helping that to happen.
Keep posting reports. It will make others more comfortable asking for such service and prove how unenforceable it is.
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