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MarquisdeSade1
08-01-17, 20:25
Bitumen. Two excellent summaries written with panache from you.
Only thing I've never been asked is to help a girl who claims she's pregnant.Been asked to pay for home Internet (so she can video call), cigarettes, food, taking parents on holiday, cancer care for mother, operation for blibd brother, skin cancer removal and so on. All the time the girl has some expensive clothes, unlike mine :)
It entertains me to see how long it is before a girl I get close to mistakes my inoffensiveness for being an idiot. Sometimes if the girl is really skilled in playing the long game I play along: at the end I then congratulate her on her abilities.
Of course most girls don't do this, just the ones I let think I am nice but with no sense.This reminds me of the comment at the pool whilst I was trying to swim, it was in regards to the WG that needed the emergency "organ transplant" and I said I would have to let her die!
Polyamorist
08-01-17, 21:06
Polyamorist. I have much the same feelings about Sharks and GT, so am wondering which clubs you like best and why.
Cheers.As-salaam alaikum, Optimist! On principle I cannot state a preference for any German FKK as I am boycotting them all since July 1. Inshallah nothing I say suggests I am ungrateful for all the leering, groping, and general hanky-panky I got in at places like LR during their golden autumnal years.
Since the bad laws started to bite, I am situated in a faraway land where polygamy is legal, there are no tattoos, feminism is like a bad dream from a future dystopia, and condoms are as rare as goats in a mosque -- just never forget to reince your priebus after unprotected sex!
When girls like you a bit more than only for money, they don t speak about money when you go to room, they just take what you give them, without even checking in front of you. My more than 40 rooms girls: Kate Aca, Madi World, Megan, my ex LR girl, never asked me any money when sending me messages. At least I can't say they are not honest, even when we are over time, that s why they deserve to be my regulars.
Guys give money and some don't give money. It depends on the girl. I have yet to see any payback on any of the "help" given but sometimes you get small gifts (around 60-70 in value) back in return so the girl does think of you. Then the girls let you take movies or pictures of you fucking or together so there is that is well.60-70 gift after how many thousands of EUR spent in room time and gifts?
Essential, what you are saying is a man who wants to get all the benefits (barebacking, videos, and connection) must at least play along. So he cannot refuse her requests for long sessions and Western Union money, not initially anyway. Otherwise the door is shut on the rewards that may follow.
The WGs wouldn't run these types of long games on men they perceive to be poor or cheap. Or men who they know cannot frequently attend. The strategy on these types of customers, is not to play the long game, but rather attempt to monetize on-the-spot by harassing them at the money locker.
Aca gold: allowed only in the lockers.Is that something new because everyone was using their phones outside in the smoking areas the last time I was there.
Member #4585
08-01-17, 22:17
As-salaam alaikum, Optimist! On principle I cannot state a preference for any German FKK as I am boycotting them all since July 1.Boycotting the German FKKs since 1 July 2017 is a very good idea. I know many guys who have done the same.
The girls as usual are complaining that business is down since 1 July. It is probably more because the Germans are on holiday with their families so cannot be fucking at FKKs rather than any other alternative reason.
You are either:
1.) Lucky or
2) the girl realizes that you have no sympathy or
3) the girl realizes you have no money or.
4) you have not gotten "close" enough to the girl to form a trusting bond which she can exploitI get both types though. A handful of girls on my whatsapp never ask for anything. And 2 has even invited me on instagram. But about same number as the trusty girls, there are the type you talk about. Only 2 FKK girls has asked for money. But another few has had the phone lie or facebook account block / new account. It does work as a lie detector for me, so it tells me who to trust after one year.
Member #4581
08-01-17, 23:21
As-salaam alaikum, Optimist! On principle I cannot state a preference for any German FKK as I am boycotting them all since July 1. Inshallah nothing I say suggests I am ungrateful for all the leering, groping, and general hanky-panky I got in at places like LR during their golden autumnal years.
Since the bad laws started to bite, I am situated in a faraway land where polygamy is legal, there are no tattoos, feminism is like a bad dream from a future dystopia, and condoms are as rare as goats in a mosque -- just never forget to reince your priebus after unprotected sex!Haha. Funny lines 🙂 Almost had me fooled that you wrote this from Saudi Arabia, LOL.
TankTank123
08-01-17, 23:23
I get girls asking for money for sick mother, sick brother, sick dog, sick daughter, sick father, their hospital bills for all sorts of ailments. Man, Romania must have the sickest people in the world with the amount of sick people needing money for help.
Then there is money for flights since they spent all their money at home on partying and need to extend their holidays or money for getting pregnant since you have been bare backing the girl and she claim you are the father and she need to take a test or go see a doctor to make sure she is not pregnant.Another category is housing. I have had one who asked me for money for the advance payment of rental for her apartment in Germany, and another for a large sum for an instalment payment for a house she was constructing in Romania.
Member #4581
08-01-17, 23:27
The trick is to show that you like them and appreciate the good sex and reward with small tips and multiple sessions as appropriate, but never show them that you are head over heels for them in any way. Affection will be read as weakness by the girls.
Bad Boy Billy
08-01-17, 23:41
Guys I am heading to Frankfurt for annual 3 day FKK visit. Last couple years have done 1 day Sharks / 2 days Oase. What are views on current line ups at both please? Can readily do 2 days Sharks if quantity and quality of line up is superior to Oase. But I do like Oase outdoor area compared to Sharks. Appreciate all advice.
BigBuddy69
08-02-17, 01:58
Is that something new because everyone was using their phones outside in the smoking areas the last time I was there.You're right, I forgot the outside area.
ExpatLover
08-02-17, 04:27
Guys I am heading to Frankfurt for annual 3 day FKK visit. Last couple years have done 1 day Sharks / 2 days Oase. What are views on current line ups at both please? Can readily do 2 days Sharks if quantity and quality of line up is superior to Oase. But I do like Oase outdoor area compared to Sharks. Appreciate all advice.When are you coming? LU are strongly down at World and Shark (I was there Monday) due to holiday time. Largest LU will be Shark even quality wise it is still a open question.
KC Questor
08-02-17, 04:57
Is that something new because everyone was using their phones outside in the smoking areas the last time I was there.
You're right, I forgot the outside area.I don't care so much about phone, but I'd like to use my laptop. I'll even cover the webcam if that's what they are worried about. Of course, without wifi it's not really an issue.
I found a list of clubs that have wifi, so presumably computers are allowed there:
Clubs that offer Wifi (http://fkktours.com/support/wifi-internet-access/):
Bernds
Park Sauna Residence
Living Room
GoldenTime
Acapulco
Dolce Vita
I've also found reports saying Oase (http://rockitreports.com/review-fkk-oase-frankfurt-germany/) has wifi. There was a post here from 2012 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1258952&viewfull=1#post1258952) saying that Artemis had free wifi until "someone uploaded a virus" and it was taken down.
Edit: Mainhattan website (http://www.fkk-mainhattan.de/Info-englisch) says they have free wifi and computers allowed in certain areas.
Oase and Oceans both has WiFi.
I thought they had discounted public housing in Germany that any EU citizen could rent? Also they get free medical care also so if they ask for health care expenses that would not add up.
Another category is housing. I have had one who asked me for money for the advance payment of rental for her apartment in Germany, and another for a large sum for an instalment payment for a house she was constructing in Romania.
ExpatLover
08-02-17, 09:07
I don't care so much about phone, but I'd like to use my laptop. I'll even cover the webcam if that's what they are worried about. Of course, without wifi it's not really an issue.
I found a list of clubs that have wifi, so presumably computers are allowed there:
I've also found reports saying Oase (http://rockitreports.com/review-fkk-oase-frankfurt-germany/) has wifi. There was a post here from 2012 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1258952&viewfull=1#post1258952) saying that Artemis had free wifi until "someone uploaded a virus" and it was taken down.
Edit: Mainhattan website (http://www.fkk-mainhattan.de/Info-englisch) says they have free WiFi and computers allowed in certain areas.The only club I know in which you can use a phone or a tablet is Oase, they provide you on request a password, all the others are not phone friendly, never saw at Oase a guy using is laptop.
Edit: Mainhattan website (http://www.fkk-mainhattan.de/Info-englisch) says they have free wifi and computers allowed in certain areas.The entrance porch area.
... I'd like to use my laptop. I'll even cover the webcam if that's what they are worried about. Of course, without wifi it's not really an issue.Yes it is. One could record off the webcam to the local drive, covering only the webcam activity light, not the webcam itself, and disseminate the material much later. Even without uploading, such a recording is not something I would like anyone to have.
Unfortunately, there is no telling what the clubs themselves record, store, and perhaps distribute. For example, last time I checked, there was a surveillance camera in the downstairs men's shower at Oase.
Guys I am heading to Frankfurt for annual 3 day FKK visit. Last couple years have done 1 day Sharks / 2 days Oase. What are views on current line ups at both please? Can readily do 2 days Sharks if quantity and quality of line up is superior to Oase. But I do like Oase outdoor area compared to Sharks. Appreciate all advice.Lineup today was great at Sharks though I haven't been to Oase and will be going back tomorrow to sharks. I'll do Oase Friday.
KC Questor
08-03-17, 05:26
Yes it is. One could record off the webcam to the local drive, covering only the webcam activity light, not the webcam itself, and disseminate the material much later. Sorry, I was unclear. Without wifi it isn't an issue because I won't be using my computer at all.
ExpatLover
08-03-17, 05:51
Yes it is. One could record off the webcam to the local drive, covering only the webcam activity light, not the webcam itself, and disseminate the material much later. Even without uploading, such a recording is not something I would like anyone to have.
Unfortunately, there is no telling what the clubs themselves record, store, and perhaps distribute. For example, last time I checked, there was a surveillance camera in the downstairs men's shower at Oase.Shark also has a lot of camera in the man changing room, the purpose is to control not to publish the records let us be serious a little bit.
Bitumen. It would be fun to meet up and exchange war stories.
As JNPR guesses, I do let my favourite girls know I have a major fondness for them, and that's why they try to exploit me. It's my own game: to see how quickly they will tell me lies, and to see how trusting of me they become. I am really impressed by those girls who don't try such tricks. In recent times the only girl with the wit to eventually understand what I was doing was Oana at World and she then treated me with a lot of admiration and free time, as a fellow player.
Marquis. Yes, I remember the chat. I think I said (hypothetical scenario) I wouldn't give my regular at Sharks even 100 towards a life saving treatment. I never believe any such stories, and I don't like being taken for a fool.
Oana World asked me on April 2014, in room, for very big money for her very sick brother and then she would leave World and go with me, when for our 6 rooms, I never asked her for anything else than playful sex, because she was playful for fucking in downstairs toilets for Bunny party, quite difficult and sporty. I just wish her, her brother if she has one, is very fine and it was, of course, our last room, becoming deaf to her Mon. Chéri after that. If I was really looking for bareback sex, I could have for free with prettier and classier girls, and still now. Will never pay 30000 extra with a GND, when I can have a Russian model for 2 months for this rate.
ExpatLover
08-03-17, 18:54
Oana World asked me on April 2014, in room, for very big money for her very sick brother and then she would leave World and go with me, when for our 6 rooms, I never asked her for anything else than playful sex, because she was playful for fucking in downstairs toilets for Bunny party, quite difficult and sporty. I just wish her, her brother if she has one, is very fine and it was, of course, our last room, becoming deaf to her Mon. Chri after that. If I was really looking for bareback sex, I could have for free with prettier and classier girls, and still now. Will never pay 30000 extra with a GND, when I can have a Russian model for 2 months for this rate.But this girl has mental problems and it is not a joke, her behavior is very unstable.
CopaBrasil1
08-06-17, 05:57
Now that condoms are required for oral sex with prostitutes by law, my time visiting sauna clubs and FKK clubs here just came to an end. Sure, maybe if I am here for business I may pop in but I won't be connecting through Germany on purpose or scheduling any mongering trips here. Zurich, Spain and Austria just got a lot more of my business.
Hopefully, this development does not have a negative effect on the business throughout the continent. A prime example of a group-think, liberal regulation destroying business opportunities.
Hopefully this will cause the law to be repealed. Less rental cars, less hotel rooms, less tax revenue due to hobbyists avoiding from now on.
Now that condoms are required for oral sex with prostitutes by law, my time visiting sauna clubs and FKK clubs here just came to an end. Sure, maybe if I am here for business I may pop in but I won't be connecting through Germany on purpose or scheduling any mongering trips here. Zurich, Spain and Austria just got a lot more of my business.
Hopefully, this development does not have a negative effect on the business throughout the continent. A prime example of a group-think, liberal regulation destroying business opportunities.
Rogue Nation
08-07-17, 21:55
Hopefully this will cause the law to be repealed. Less rental cars, less hotel rooms, less tax revenue due to hobbyists avoiding from now on.Keep on dreaming. The effect is minuscule.
Member #4585
08-07-17, 22:03
Hopefully this will cause the law to be repealed. Less rental cars, less hotel rooms, less tax revenue due to hobbyists avoiding from now on.Doubtful as the mischief that the new law is trying to remedy is protection of women and not generating wealth in the economy. Other measures like allowing expats into the country are to stimulate growth as well as fulfil humanitarian objectives for people seeking sanctury from Brexit.
Alas I know many guys now who refuse to come anymore to Germany since the new law came in. I guess this makes the locals happier.
Horny Harry
08-08-17, 11:47
Hopefully this will cause the law to be repealed. Less rental cars, less hotel rooms, less tax revenue due to hobbyists avoiding from now on.You don't understand the socialist workers paradise Europe.
Europe is not about business but about collecting taxes and spending subsidies, and for as far as collecting taxes are concerned the new law is probably very successful.
For example, GT has been raided a few times already since the new law came into effect, and the current line up is pathetic. Of course lot's of stunners are on vacation, but I wound not be surprised if many of the hot & smart & independent girls don't feel like paying 30-40-50% of their hard-earned cash to their new pimp: Angela Merkel.
The truly independent girls don't accept any pimp and simply move to another country or try the escort business, whereas the pimped girls now get squeezed between two pimps: Angela Merkel and their 'boyfriend.'
Politicians don't care thought, unless the situation gets really really bad and the media will start writing about it. They just want a quick feel-good headline about "fighting women traffickers" and they want to collect more taxes to pay for the multicultural social engineering drama, subsidies for their buddies, or bank bailouts.
Additionally, as Rogue Nation said: the effects are minimal. A few hundred less rental cars/hotel rooms per year is peanuts for a large industrial country like Germany, and the money that people spend on prostitution previous to this new law didn't stay in Germany anyways. The money went straight back to Poland, Romania, Hungary, Moldavia, Estonia etc.
From a government standpoint, this new law is a win-win scenario: extra taxes + 'rescuing poor girls from their pimps' by (on paper) taking the pimp's place. 🤔 Oh, and since the Greens (B90-Die Gruenen) and Socialists (SPD) like taxes even more than any other political party, don't count on any changes should they win in the election in September.
ExpatLover
08-08-17, 11:50
Doubtful as the mischief that the new law is trying to remedy is protection of women and not generating wealth in the economy. Other measures like allowing expats into the country are to stimulate growth as well as fulfil humanitarian objectives for people seeking sanctury from Brexit.
Alas I know many guys now who refuse to come anymore to Germany since the new law came in. I guess this makes the locals happier.What is the weight of prostitution in the global economy, marginally low I guess, also a lot of the money is more or less escaping from Germany, Romanian girls are transferring the money to Romanian, also some guys will move to escort girls who are mostly German in conclusion for me 0 negative impact may be some positive, the mongers will spend more money in other things. We should also not forget that many visitors for the big fairs in Germany are not on this forum and will still go to the clubs even they are not aware about the new law.
HornyHarry. While I as you know disagree with your macro political points :D (Europe is not socialist, and I would argue, on balance, that the social democratic model should not be rubbished) on the detail and reality of the new law I agree totally.
(BTW. I don't mean to start a political discussion, I just wanted to register my different viewpoint. This is not the place for political discussion, so I will say that I fully recognise the force of laissez-faire and libertarian arguments :)).
The new law will lead to very little loss in GDP, and will lead probably to continued increasing tax take by the State from prostitution. As you say, the new law is a win win for the State.
It is an example of the dangers inherent in the social-democratic model: the creeping state control, increasing taxation, and erosion of civil liberties. Germany is beginning to move down that road. The State is very nervous about what it can't control, and, especially after the recent surge of immigration, is trying to make sure it controls all unruly elements. Conform or leave.
The State will constrain, and benefit from, prostitutes as much as many "friends" of prostitutes do now. It will, with the registration requirements, push girls even more into the hands of "agents.
And I suspect that all means even tighter restrictions if these ones don't bite very very hard.
SpermBirds
08-08-17, 14:23
Well, those which think that the new law since 1/7 has changed a lot must be tripping! Those which visit clubs regularly will most probably have noticed that in fact not a whole lot has changed, but off course that cannot be written. I do not understand that people are ignorant. The main changes occur in the "clubs" which were without any morals like the AO-clubs and the flat-rate-clubs, they have to adapt and funnily enough only those clubs seem to have to deal with a large number of clients not showing up anymore. In all visited clubs in July and August, I noticed zero change from female behaviour in the room, none whatsoever! In fact, things are probably getting better service wise! Those which cannot understand cannot be helped and can happily go to Switzerland / Austria were they have to deal with the natural upselling which are simply house-prices if you think about it.
After 1/1 2018 it will be impossible for girls to work in "decent" clubs without being registered, simple as that. A club will be forced to refuse girls which are not registered because the club in in severe risk of being closed or shut down if the controlling officers still find girls which are not registered! That will be the change, not the condom-thing orally. In fact, it will be a step forward for the clubs and the women and the clients as well probably because there will be less girls which are being forced by their "drivers / buddies / companies / loverboys", pick any combination, to work in a club (that they probably don't want to). The amount of service-less girls will be lower than nowadays for sure. The clubs won't have to deal with groups of girls which travel from here to there for a few weeks, offer lousy service and after a few weeks of fucking'up in club A, they are transferred to club B and so on. The girls have to register in the "kreis or area" of the particular club they are working. Again a step forward for club and clients. For the girls which have been registered since a while it is a step forward as well, at last the tax-evading girls will be paying taxes too, so a sort of little justification. For the girls which have not been registered it will be a change, a good one in that perspective that at least they will be able to have things like health-insurance, councelling from the "government" and so on. A negative change in that perspective that they will be paying some sort of taxes, but off course not 50% of their revenues.
Yes, there will be probably weak month January and / or February in the clubs in Germany because some girls will "believe" that the grass is more green in Switzerland / Austria / Spain or wherever but things will settle down rapidly and a large amount of girls will be back sooner as most people which try to create upsetting novelties can imagine. The remarks about the raids in for example GT are complete bollocks. Standard procedure after a long period of non-raids over there (more than 6 months since the last one). Yes, there were 2 raids and during raid 1, a few girls were found lacking the needed paperwork (they had to pay a fine off course), during raid 2 last week, nothing special and after a few hours of standard control the club and the girls and the clients moved on. At least the girls working in GT know by now they will have to make sure that they get the proper paperwork organised. They were handed out contact papers to get in touch with the official parties which will deal with the registration and so on. People which are talking about pathetic line-ups due to the new law must be tripping', they couldn't be more wrong!!
By the way, a lot of Germans or regular visitors from clubs which stay in Germany several months pro year won't mind a decrease of "tourists" and drop-by-visitors which are quite often easy pushover clients which have no idea what decent or top service is, and often pay too much anyway. That affects the general service level more in their opinion than the new law since a month and a bit. Just for the record! Pretty difficult to disagree with.
ExpatLover
08-08-17, 15:06
You don't understand the socialist workers paradise Europe.
Europe is not about business but about collecting taxes and spending subsidies, and for as far as collecting taxes are concerned the new law is probably very successful.
For example, GT has been raided a few times already since the new law came into effect, and the current line up is pathetic. Of course lot's of stunners are on vacation, but I wound not be surprised if many of the hot & smart & independent girls don't feel like paying 30-40-50% of their hard-earned cash to their new pimp: Angela Merkel.
The truly independent girls don't accept any pimp and simply move to another country or try the escort business, whereas the pimped girls now get squeezed between two pimps: Angela Merkel and their 'boyfriend.'
Politicians don't care thought, unless the situation gets really really bad and the media will start writing about it. They just want a quick feel-good headline about "fighting women traffickers" and they want to collect more taxes to pay for the multicultural social engineering drama, subsidies for their buddies, or bank bailouts.
Additionally, as Rogue Nation said: the effects are minimal. A few hundred less rental cars/hotel rooms per year is peanuts for a large industrial country like Germany, and the money that people spend on prostitution previous to this new law didn't stay in Germany anyways. The money went straight back to Poland, Romania, Hungary, Moldavia, Estonia etc.
From a government standpoint, this new law is a win-win scenario: extra taxes + 'rescuing poor girls from their pimps' by (on paper) taking the pimp's place. 🤔 Oh, and since the Greens (B90-Die Gruenen) and Socialists (SPD) like taxes even more than any other political party, don't count on any changes should they win in the election in September.The escorts will also have to register, even on KM some girls get already controlled in the last weeks.
Spermbirds. Curious here. Why do you say that it cannot be written that there has been no effect from the new law on line up when you are writing that exact thing?
I cannot believe anyone thinks there would be a significant change to line up so soon. Only time will tell.
There have been many changes in other ways. For example, BBBJ is more common than previously.
Your predictions of such and such "will" happen, may or may not happen. They are logical possibilities. I am not sure, from my experience in clubs, they fully reflect the realities about the way the industry works or the way individuals behave. Just offering an alternative idea. Only time will tell.
I can just advice to those who have problems about new German law, registration controls at GT or LR, polizei raids, scared to finish visit in jail, to go to Spain where the sea is warmer, to more expensive Switzerland and Austria, to Russia, Latvia or Estonia for the prettiest women in the world, to south America for fake moaning Latinas, to Thailand, so many other places for paid sex.
As a foreigner, for me this new law is a good thing: No more standard BBBJ or AO sex, now guys can't make pressure on girls or complain about this at desk, girls are now free to decide to who they want to provide or not, like for kissing. I don't need to behave like a beggar in room, I try to get the best from what girls are able to give, and then I decide to stay longer, to repeat, or not, but so many nice girls to enjoy. As certainly one of the most faithful, weekly repeating specialist, with more than 200 rooms with only 5 girls, I even discovered when I don't like my regular girl behavior, better to change because I will find new ones very happy to get my business, to enjoy. Like in nature, one die, many are born, for my pleasure, easy.
ExpatLover
08-08-17, 21:19
Well, those which think that the new law since 1/7 has changed a lot must be tripping! Those which visit clubs regularly will most probably have noticed that in fact not a whole lot has changed, but off course that cannot be written. I do not understand that people are ignorant. The main changes occur in the "clubs" which were without any morals like the AO-clubs and the flat-rate-clubs, they have to adapt and funnily enough only those clubs seem to have to deal with a large number of clients not showing up anymore. In all visited clubs in July and August, I noticed zero change from female behaviour in the room, none whatsoever! In fact, things are probably getting better service wise! Those which cannot understand cannot be helped and can happily go to Switzerland / Austria were they have to deal with the natural upselling which are simply house-prices if you think about it.
After 1/1 2018 it will be impossible for girls to work in "decent" clubs without being registered, simple as that. A club will be forced to refuse girls which are not registered because the club in in severe risk of being closed or shut down if the controlling officers still find girls which are not registered! That will be the change, not the condom-thing orally. In fact, it will be a step forward for the clubs and the women and the clients as well probably because there will be less girls which are being forced by their "drivers / buddies / companies / loverboys", pick any combination, to work in a club (that they probably don't want to). The amount of service-less girls will be lower than nowadays for sure. The clubs won't have to deal with groups of girls which travel from here to there for a few weeks, offer lousy service and after a few weeks of fucking'up in club A, they are transferred to club B and so on. The girls have to register in the "kreis or area" of the particular club they are working. Again a step forward for club and clients. For the girls which have been registered since a while it is a step forward as well, at last the tax-evading girls will be paying taxes too, so a sort of little justification. For the girls which have not been registered it will be a change, a good one in that perspective that at least they will be able to have things like health-insurance, councelling from the "government" and so on. A negative change in that perspective that they will be paying some sort of taxes, but off course not 50% of their revenues..Obviously we all know that the kind of respectful mongers are still getting the same service as before even better because the girls do it less often, all the girls will not move to Switzerland (awful working conditions) or Austria which remains to be a small country compare to Germany. Is it a problem that some girls will leave no it is far better for them to build a new life, just one simply question: will we accept that our own daughter will work in a FKK and get reported by some respectfulness mongers who still have children? If our answer is no shouldn t we consider strongly about our own behavior?
Are they doing raids on independent girls working in apartments? I was checking on some independent girls for appointments but their phone seems to be dead and does not ring nor go to voicemail. What is the legal status of girls who just post an ad and rent an apartment outside the FKK industry? I have good luck with some of them in the past but now it seems not able to reach them on the phone.
Well for people having to fly thousands of miles to get there having to gamble on a BBBJ is not acceptable.
I can just advice to those who have problems about new German law, registration controls at GT or LR, polizei raids, scared to finish visit in jail, to go to Spain where the sea is warmer, to more expensive Switzerland and Austria, to Russia, Latvia or Estonia for the prettiest women in the world, to south America for fake moaning Latinas, to Thailand, so many other places for paid sex.
As a foreigner, for me this new law is a good thing: No more standard BBBJ or AO sex, now guys can't make pressure on girls or complain about this at desk, girls are now free to decide to who they want to provide or not, like for kissing. I don't need to behave like a beggar in room, I try to get the best from what girls are able to give, and then I decide to stay longer, to repeat, or not, but so many nice girls to enjoy. As certainly one of the most faithful, weekly repeating specialist, with more than 200 rooms with only 5 girls, I even discovered when I don't like my regular girl behavior, better to change because I will find new ones very happy to get my business, to enjoy. Like in nature, one die, many are born, for my pleasure, easy.
I still have some clubs to visit now in August, but to me it seems the NRW clubs are holding up quite strong while the Hessen clubs are tanking with slim lineups.
At Oase about 15 of my top 20 former girls were gone. Sure there were about 5 good new ones, so the lineup was decent even on a slow Monday.
Palace is not worth 10 euro entry fee. First time I left a club without a single session ever.
Sharks had Mandy, Cami and Sidona. And Sonia and perhaps one more is a cutie. But it really tanks 2nd from the bottom this trip so far.
Samya is holding up well. A few girls just returned from vacation same time a few went on vacation. Lineup about equal to Oase in total. Slightly below June lineup in numbers of hot girls. But worth a visit.
Aca is at around same level as in June. But jumps up some spots since other clubs are down a bit. And equal to Oase and Samya now. Excels in Romanians with black hair.
Oceans has made a return now with strongest lineup of the year and is back where it was on top last year. I only missed Alina. But about everyone else is around among the top 10 girls. And smoking hot new blonde bulgarian Emmanuela is worth a look. So it tops the list of these 6 clubs. (Andra, Eleny, Malina, Antonia, Meggie, Tina etc etc).
Can somebody recommend best FKK in Germany for the first visiting?
I plan to be a single, and I'm a little worry.
I would be happy to get:
- attractive girls.
- clean environment.
- good attitude.
Now I can choose first city, Berlin or Frankfurt.
Thanks.
Horny Harry
08-10-17, 16:30
I still have some clubs to visit now in August, but to me it seems the NRW clubs are holding up quite strong while the Hessen clubs are tanking with slim lineups.I haven't been to Sharks in a while, but IMHO the line up at GT was not much to write home about either when I visited a few weeks ago.
According to the calendar 🙄 it's summer (the weather is crap though) and many girls are spending their time in sunnier places.
Fluctuating line ups are unfortunately typical for this time of the year, and IMHO you need a bit of luck to find a few nice girls in any FKK at this time of the year but things should improve by the end of the summer drought.
Lineup sexy look points table August with a slight bonus to service based on top 10 girls. One top girl can maximum give 2 points to a club, and decimals are given, but total club score is rounded:
Oceans: 11.
Acapulco: 9.
Samya: 8.
Oase: 7. 5 (on a Monday, so on a better day I am assuming it would get an 8. 5 or even a 9).
Sharks: 6.
Palace: 2.
Compared to June where it was:
Oase: 11.5.
Samya: 9.5.
Sharks: 8.5.
Oceans: 8.
Acapulco: 7.5.
Golden Time: 7.
Go to Zurich instead to avoid the BBBJ law.
Can somebody recommend best FKK in Germany for the first visiting?
I plan to be a single, and I'm a little worry.
I would be happy to get:
- attractive girls.
- clean environment.
- good attitude.
Now I can choose first city, Berlin or Frankfurt.
Thanks.
BigBuddy69
08-10-17, 19:35
Not exactly the same price. . .
Member #4581
08-11-17, 02:47
Sharks had Mandy, Cami and Sidona. And Sonia and perhaps one more is a cutie. But it really tanks 2nd from the bottom this trip so far..Is Sidona the same as Sidonia? And Sonia is the plump blonde who hangs out with Sidonia? If so, and if she is one of the top lookers now then (a) the LU is indeed down the chute or (b) our tastes don't overlap much.
Is Sidona the same as Sidonia? And Sonia is the plump blonde who hangs out with Sidonia? If so, and if she is one of the top lookers now then (a) the LU is indeed down the chute or (b) our tastes don't overlap much.Sidona / Sidonia is quite the looker nowadays I would say. Sonia not as much, but she is a little cute. Perhaps we disagree a bit, but to me at least lineup is very very dire. I was lucky catching Mandy. But she is barely there. Tucked away in a room pretty much until leaving. It is really dire at Sharks. I may skip Sharks next time unless reports really picks up. We'll see.
Horny Harry
08-11-17, 09:37
Go to Zurich instead to avoid the BBBJ law.Yes, because BBBJ's are all that matters. 🤔.
Can somebody recommend best FKK in Germany for the first visiting?
I plan to be a single, and I'm a little worry.
I would be happy to get:
- attractive girls.
- clean environment.
- good attitude.
Now I can choose first city, Berlin or Frankfurt.
Thanks.Sharks around Frankfurt, for Sandra. De or Mandy. De or Violeta. Ro or Erika. Ro or Sade. Hu or Marina. Lat, with also some other really nice girls. 1 I can't name.
Around Dusseldorf, LR for exceptional Jeni. Ro or Daria. Ro or Tatiana. Ro.
Or Babylon Elsdorf around Koln for Flori. Ro, or Violeta. Ro.
Relax, have good manners and enjoy what these girls can give. 50/30 mn.
Well for people having to fly thousands of miles to get there having to gamble on a BBBJ is not acceptable.With good manners, don't worry about new law. You just have to be able to understand girls do this bad job because they were born poor, no money in Romania, so they want your business. If you have good behavior, they want you repeat again and again.
KC Questor
08-12-17, 05:58
On the advice on another ISG fellow, I went back through the posts from the time of previous auto shows in Frankfurt. The 2016 show was for commercial vehicles, which is much less well attended. I found very few mentions of the show in 2016, so I focused on 2015. According to a press release, the show was the largest attended since 2007 with 931,000 visitors at an average age of 34 years (down from 37 years old the previous show). The show ran from September 16-27,2015. I read every post from Sept 10 through October 25 (four weeks past the end of the show) in the following forums: General Info (this forum), Oase, World, Palace, Sharks, Mainhatten, and Dietzenbach, as well as the Frankfurt forum in the Germany board.
What I found is almost nothing. In more than a hundred pages of threads from that time period, the auto show was mentioned around ten times. The majority of those posts were guys wondering if there would be a lot more girls there -- apparently some guys were anxious for the show because they expected more girls to be working. Almost no one mentioned that it was crowded with customers..
These posts are from the this forum:
Not so many new girls at Sharks, Mainhattan, Oase for IAA?
Now today IAA ends. Effect of this year IAA was on lowest level since I visit FKK clubs. My expectation on quantity of girls come true. At least at Oase, Mainhattan and Palace were around 30 % more girls on peak days like Friday and Saturday and almost 50% more girls on weak days like Monday or Tuesday as on an average period without fair trade. Almost all regular top acts in the clubs were working and a lot of new girls. But from the part of new girls I haven't seen any new "Wow girl". All my rooms during IAA were with regular girls.
But the big disappointment was for the girls. In Oase, Mainhattan and Palace there were on almost every day only few additional IAA guests. At none day it was really crowded in these clubs. Max. Room waiting time 20 minutes, Most of day always some free rooms. Due to expected crowds even more worse bc a lot of locals avoid clubbing during IAA. So in general business for the girls during IAA was better than before but it wasn't the expected bonanza for the girls.
I've realized that Automech or IAA doesn't really draw new girls as I previously thought at Oase(probably not at other places either).I found three personal reports of specific clubs in their respective forums.
Oase
From 5 to about 9 pm or so I swear there was about a 5:1 ratio of girls to guys. Like they ramped up the roster for IAA but all the automechanika attendees were out drinking with colleagues and prospects or something. You could tell that the girls were disappointed with the turnout--lots of doubles teams trying to stir up business, a sense of desparation as they went through their scripts.
Sharks
There were already alot of people there when I arrived at 1:30 pm obviously many people from auto show.
Mainhatten
I was expecting many guys but there werentNo posts in World or Palace mentioned the auto show. There was one post in the General board where one guy asked if it was a good time to visit Frankfurt, and someone responded "that is the last week of the big IAA trade fair. All Frankfurt FKK clubs have a good line up but in the evening still crowded. Cheers and enjoy."
And that's it. One report from Sharks that said it was busy in the afternoon one day. One guy warning that the clubs can get busy. Two guys saying Oase and Manhatten were not crowded, and four posts talking about the number and quality of the girls.
I'm going to stop worrying about the effect of the IAA on my time in Frankfurt and just going to enjoy my trip.
I'm going to stop worrying about the effect of the IAA on my time in Frankfurt and just going to enjoy my trip.Good work going through the old posts. I think your conclusion is quite right and make sense. There is too much speculation about the how the car exhibiton impact the clubs it sometimes gets too funny. It probably comes from a time more than 10 years ago when the clubs in Frankfurt were smaller and fewer. Also, the effect varies from club to club, from day to day and from one year to another. Nobody can really predict what kind of impact IAA will have on a specific club on a specific day. And; there is always a surprise along the way. Be prepared.
I have been at the Hessen clubs during the car exhibitions almost every year since 2004 (last time in 2014) and always had a good time. The reason is obvious: The line-up's swell 10- 20% at certain clubs as the girls are hopeful the guys will show up. Great opportunities!
The downside is: Risk of crowds. But the risk is less than in the past and usually limited to late at night at some clubs on some days.
The solution is very simple: Arrive early, leave early! Leave when it becomes unbearable. The crowds usually arrive after dinner (I. E. After 8 pm?), but sometimes earlier, and sometimes not at all. Avoid late night visits if you can (the risk is higher). Also; remember that "unbearable" is a personal feeling. What is "unbearable" to one person is not necessarily "unbearable" to you, and vice versa.
Days with higher risks: The last Friday / Saturday of the exhibition when "all" the messe visitors wants a FKK visit after dinner, but even on those days there can be good opportunities prior to 8 pm (there may be other days, maybe somebody else can fill in the gaps?).
Days with less risks: The last Sunday (the messe visitors have gone home, but the girls are still there). Also the days prior to the exhibition can be exceptional (more girls than usual).
Clubs with higher risks: Palace, Mainhattan and Oase (and in that order), but don't let that scare you away (just remember to arrive early / leave early). Sharks less affected by IAA. World not at all affected.
UltraHappy
08-12-17, 12:07
I can speak to impact of Messe on Oase a bit. In the past few years, most Messe have had a much lesser than expected effect on the number of visitors to Oase.
Mauro posts info about the Messe on a bulletin board inside the girl area of the club to let the girls know about potential upcoming big crowds. The girls get all excited, then when the big day comes, business is nothing special on that day. This has happened enough times now that the girls aren't much phased by most Messe anymore.
The days of yesteryear (2012/2013) are now long past. I personally haven't attended during IAA in recent past years, so can't comment on that specifically, but during other big Messe where the girls thought more customers would come, I would get scared by the expectations of the girls, thinking that the club would get too crowded, but every time, it was like nothing happened when the big day arrived, and I happily enjoyed myself as if that day were any other day.
The biggest impact to the club is that the girls who go on holiday in August usually plan their return shortly before the start of the September Messe. So, you might see a *few* more girls in early September and maybe a few more customers but probably not many more.
Business just isn't what it used to be like in days past. For whatever reasons.
Horny Harry
08-12-17, 13:08
I can speak to impact of Messe on Oase a bit. In the past few years, most Messe have had a much lesser than expected effect on the number of visitors to Oase.
I personally haven't attended during IAA in recent past years, so can't comment on that specifically, We're talking specifically about the IAA here.
I personally haven't attended during IAA in recent past years, so can't comment on that specifically, but during other big Messe where the girls thought more customers would come, I would get scared by the expectations of the girls, thinking that the club would get too crowded, but every time, it was like nothing happened when the big day arrived, and I happily enjoyed myself as if that day were any other day.
Well, one Messe is not like the next Messe. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a Messe about cars attracts a completely different audience than say a Messe about household appliances or books.
Apparently come on face is still legal? One can be getting the BJ and then take off the condom to come on face but what if some gets into her mouth accidentally? Would that trigger the fine?
Rogue Nation
08-12-17, 13:31
IAA and automechnica had the biggest impact on the clubs in past years. Still there are less visitors going to the clubs, companies seem to have cut their expense budgets a lot and many visitors are doing one day trips to save hotel cost. 10 years ago Palace had guys lined up outside the club waiting to get in, at Oase it was so packed you hardly saw any girls. Times long gone. If you are planning on visiting during IAA you will find that Oase, Mainhattan, Palace or Sharks are not a lot busier before 9 or 10 pm than on a non-messe Friday.
We're talking specifically about the IAA here.
Well, one Messe is not like the next Messe. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a Messe about cars attracts a completely different audience than say a Messe about household appliances or books.A taxi driver in Frankfurt who sounded knowledgeable in these matters told me the book fair attracted people who were not into FKKs (women, bookworms etc.).
ExpatLover
08-12-17, 18:01
A taxi driver in Frankfurt who sounded knowledgeable in these matters told me the book fair attracted people who were not into FKKs (women, bookworms etc.).We should ma be stop all those hypothetical discussions, each fair is attracting a lot of 1 time customers, what is sure bigger the fair is more customers will visit the FKK, and IAA is one of the biggest in Germany. AS always if we are able to visit the clubs early in the day less we will get impacted by the fair.
Hey all,
Really new to FKK scene. I will have 1 more day available for a visit on Monday before I fly back to Australia. I have worked out my preference is for sweet GFE time with good French kissing. I've been to Oase and my last encounter I found this and it was amazing. I would like to know if Sharks has better opportunities for this will less "sharks" predator type women as that was a downside for my experience at Oase. I'd be happy to go back to Oase as I have a better handle on the situation after a few days out to reflect on how it all went down. Just not sure if Sharks would be a better option. Note though I really do want to spend another session with the Romanian who blew my mind and I also have my eye on another sweet Romanian girl I didn't get time with in Oase, but happy to hear if Sharks will have better chance for what I enjoy.
Thanks.
UltraHappy
08-13-17, 16:53
Hey all,
Really new to FKK scene. I will have 1 more day available for a visit on Monday before I fly back to Australia. I have worked out my preference is for sweet GFE time with good French kissing. I've been to Oase and my last encounter I found this and it was amazing. I would like to know if Sharks has better opportunities for this will less "sharks" predator type women as that was a downside for my experience at Oase. I'd be happy to go back to Oase as I have a better handle on the situation after a few days out to reflect on how it all went down. Just not sure if Sharks would be a better option. Note though I really do want to spend another session with the Romanian who blew my mind and I also have my eye on another sweet Romanian girl I didn't get time with in Oase, but happy to hear if Sharks will have better chance for what I enjoy.
Thanks.These two clubs are quite comparable. Many guys prefer Sharks. Many guys prefer Oase. I enjoy both, but my personal preference is Oase, but that is more probably due to the fact that I spend a lot more time there and so am much more familiar with the line-up. Both clubs have bad apples and both clubs have wonderful girls.
You should visit both a lot and then decide for yourself. The problem here is that you are asking this question about two quite comparable clubs. If you had asked about Sharks vs. World or Palace vs. Oase, then my answer would have been much different. But Oase vs. Sharks, this will depend on your personal preference.
Horny Harry
08-13-17, 21:12
Hey all,
Really new to FKK scene. I will have 1 more day available for a visit on Monday before I fly back to Australia. I have worked out my preference is for sweet GFE time with good French kissing. I've been to Oase and my last encounter I found this and it was amazing. I would like to know if Sharks has better opportunities for this will less "sharks" predator type women as that was a downside for my experience at Oase. I'd be happy to go back to Oase as I have a better handle on the situation after a few days out to reflect on how it all went down. Just not sure if Sharks would be a better option. Note though I really do want to spend another session with the Romanian who blew my mind and I also have my eye on another sweet Romanian girl I didn't get time with in Oase, but happy to hear if Sharks will have better chance for what I enjoy.
Thanks.As I've said in this post, for someone who is supposedly very new to all of this, you seem to have caught on to all the abbreviations pretty quickly. 🙄 http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3225-FKK-Sharks-Darmstadt&p=2071914&viewfull=1#post2071914
Life (or P6)) is what you make of it, and if you act like some silly love-sick puppy willing to splash with cash then you'll get sharked no matter where you go. Read this: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1096-FKK-Oase-Burgholzhausen&p=2071554&viewfull=1#post2071554
DBoyMac. Sounds like you are falling starry eyed for one or two girls, and that could make you shark food. Remember any good worker is selling you an illusion.
That's ok, but only if you know it is an illusion you are buying. I've done that several times. (Of course sometimes it is no illusion, but that is rare).
You've only got one day? Stop agonising, pick a club and commit. If you like some girls at Oase why change when you only have one day?
You are the one in charge, not the girls.
Good luck.
DBoyMac. Sounds like you are falling starry eyed for one or two girls, and that could make you shark food. Remember any good worker is selling you an illusion.
That's ok, but only if you know it is an illusion you are buying. I've done that several times. (Of course sometimes it is no illusion, but that is rare).
You've only got one day? Stop agonising, pick a club and commit. If you like some girls at Oase why change when you only have one day?
You are the one in charge, not the girls.
Good luck.Hahaha yeah I think you're on the money Optimist. Can't get that one Romanian girl out of my head. I also think the fact she didn't upset anything or ask for a tip helped. But fully aware it's an illusion. But figure it's a nice one to life for another day before I head back to Oz and the shitty reality. Figure I'll take you me advice I head back to Oase the. Thanks for the advice. Appreciate it.
As I've said in this post, for someone who is supposedly very new to all of this, you seem to have caught on to all the abbreviations pretty quickly. 🙄 http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3225-FKK-Sharks-Darmstadt&p=2071914&viewfull=1#post2071914
Life (or P6)) is what you make of it, and if you act like some silly love-sick puppy willing to splash with cash then you'll get sharked no matter where you go. Read this: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1096-FKK-Oase-Burgholzhausen&p=2071554&viewfull=1#post2071554Thanks for the advice HH. Just so you know I didn't act like a love sick puppy. There was one Romanian who gave the great illusion to that and she was my last one. The girls who sharked me could see I was nervous and had no idea what I was entitled to and basically used that to their advantage. The Romanian girl at the end didn't try to upsell anything and didn't even ask for a tip. She just treated me as respectful as one would expect. I think I'm a fair bit more aware of everything now I've had a few days to process how the girls who took advantage of my inexperience and pushed me to just accepting what was happening. Also the reason behind the bulk reading I've been doing on these forums the last 2 days. Appreciate you words and advice.
Hi,
I am monger with roots in Asia. But have never set foot inside an FKK bar ever. All that will change on 25th July. I have a layover of roughly 10 hours in Frankfurt and need your guidance on the following:
- Are there any FKK clubs that I should avoid as a non-Caucasian? Any clubs where girls are known to prefer a white clientele? Nothing personal here and will not be upset. It is merely a practical question to make my € go farther.
- Which club has the highest ratio of blondes?
- Has anyone recently experienced a good DFK included in the base price of 50€/30 min? I am a sucker for DFK as you can see.
- Sharks vs Oase? (note my DFK and Blonde requirement).
- Lastly, has anyone recently taken a taxi to Sharks or Oase from Frankfurt airport? How much was the cost?
Thanks.
Banana Boi
08-14-17, 05:31
I plan on staying in Germany for 2+ months soon and would like some advice on which reputable car rental companies have the best rates for monthly car rentals.
Non-sudlandisch Asians are usually welcomed with open arms in Germany. The girls sometimes consider them easy customers due to not complaining.
Hi,
I am monger with roots in Asia. But have never set foot inside an FKK bar ever. All that will change on 25th July. I have a layover of roughly 10 hours in Frankfurt and need your guidance on the following:
- Are there any FKK clubs that I should avoid as a non-Caucasian? Any clubs where girls are known to prefer a white clientele? Nothing personal here and will not be upset. It is merely a practical question to make my go farther.
- Which club has the highest ratio of blondes?
- Has anyone recently experienced a good DFK included in the base price of 50/30 min? I am a sucker for DFK as you can see.
- Sharks vs Oase? (note my DFK and Blonde requirement).
- Lastly, has anyone recently taken a taxi to Sharks or Oase from Frankfurt airport? How much was the cost?
Thanks.
FunExplorer
08-14-17, 06:47
A taxi driver in Frankfurt who sounded knowledgeable in these matters told me the book fair attracted people who were not into FKKs (women, bookworms etc.).That is quite true. I was in Frankfurt in October last year during the Book Fair and saw fewer men even on week ends. So, really cannot predict which fairs attract more men to FKKs.
Neurosynth
08-14-17, 09:17
Apparently come on face is still legal? One can be getting the BJ and then take off the condom to come on face but what if some gets into her mouth accidentally? Would that trigger the fine?Nothing will trigger a fine. The operators and working girls have a negative incentive to report you. And there is no other way for the cops to know anything happened let alone have proof. It's an unenforceable law, and the politicians who passed it know that.
The new law is as I expected is not the final step.
The Berlin Greens are now proposing a citywide ban on street prostitution. In Berlin this is partly driven by the intolerant views of narrow minded immigrants who have moved into areas where street prostitution already existed. More significantly it is a reflection of a wave of desire to reassert the country's tradition of conformity in the face of large immigration.
This carries on the general sanitisation of the country, but it is sad to see Berlin, the great centre of post 1989 diversity, following the bourgeois mania for conformity. No wonder one of the most common words to describe Germany is "boring".
So, I see no reason to expect the trend of registration, taxing, inspections, and ever increasing rules for FKKS to stop.
Nothing will trigger a fine. The operators and working girls have a negative incentive to report you. And there is no other way for the cops to know anything happened let alone have proof. It's an unenforceable law, and the politicians who passed it know that. Probably correct. The politicians are aiming to change the country not so much by prosecutions but by creating a climate of control and conformity.
Veejay.
https://www.taxifarefinder.com/main.php?city=Frankfurt-Germany&lang=en
No problem in Frankfurt being Indian.
DFK. You'll have to find the Holy Grail yourself. Even if you get a long list of recommendations I am sure that once you get to a club the girls will be off, or busy, or you can't find them, or you don't like them.
Good luck. Please report.
Hopefully this will cause the law to be repealed. Less rental cars, less hotel rooms, less tax revenue due to hobbyists avoiding from now on.Mongers make a negligible contribution to the economy, and most of what they pay doesn't stay in Germany anyway.
Horny Harry
08-14-17, 14:21
The new law is as I expected is not the final step.
The Berlin Greens are now proposing a citywide ban on street prostitution. In Berlin this is partly driven by the intolerant views of narrow minded immigrants who have moved into areas where street prostitution already existed. More significantly it is a reflection of a wave of desire to reassert the country's tradition of conformity in the face of large immigration.
This carries on the general sanitisation of the country, but it is sad to see Berlin, the great centre of post 1989 diversity, following the bourgeois mania for conformity. No wonder one of the most common words to describe Germany is "boring".
So, I see no reason to expect the trend of registration, taxing, inspections, and ever increasing rules for FKKS to stop.Hear hear, someone has seen the light ay? 🙂.
Who would have thought that the Greens (or SPD) are not as liberal, social and openminded as people think they are? 😉 Sweden here we come, the thin end of the wedge has been inserted!
p.s. here is what I posted about 1 month ago:
Spot on!
I recently had to travel by train and I was shocked at what I saw at the train stations of Koeln and Duesseldorf. It's more like a 3rd world country than anything else.
You see, all this hysteria about "climate change" is all about money, taxes and power. The taxes (CO2 tax, Eco tax, KfZ tax, fuel tax, toll for trucks etc.) help pay for the Socialist Dreams, like the multicultural disaster that is unfolding, or the bank bailouts, or wars in the Middle East to "spread freedom and democracy." It's just like the medieval ages and feudal societies back then, when the Catholic church would permanently run fear into the people's lives with scaremongering about "the devil," nowadays they also scare people with things you can not see like CO2 and "global warming. ".
With 90% of the US mainstream media owned by about 6 big corporations and in Europe where you have state owned propaganda TV / radio, it's easy to brainwash the general public with 'statistics' and 'experts.'
In the mean time, the Greens are just as much part of "The Establishment" as Merkel's CDU or the SPD, so forget about them changing anything regarding these stupid prostitution laws. Perhaps in the 1970's and 1980's they were all about 'freedom, sex and love,' but nowadays they are the servants of the extremely conservative immigrants. That's where the populist and politically correct votes are, that's how the Greens can continue their neo-communist agenda: by directly importing poverty and increasingly change Europe into a police state.
You want to see the future for Germany, then look at Sweden and their immigration problems and prostitution laws!
HornyHarry. No, my opinions remain unchanged :) But glad we have some substantial common ground
I wouldn't say that any social democratic party is intrinsically liberal and open minded (I write as a committed social democrat). All governments and political parties, and not just the ones you call socialist, tend to amass power and control to themselves.
The issue in society is the strength of the countervailing voices. In Germany they have grown weak, as in many other countries, and tolerance is reduced.As you rightly point out the Greens have long been part of the establishment and now have their own orthodoxy they expect others to live by.
You highlight my comments about conservative intolerant immigrants but not my point that even more important is a creeping complacent conservatism amongst traditional Germans: they want the country of their myths back: it's almost like the establishment wants a modern version of the Prussian Empire, the world of Buddenbrooks, and high culture (Beethoven, Bach, Wagner).
Where are the dissenting libertarian voices in Germany. Gone.
Maybe it's time no longer to be an optimist
Cheers.
ExpatLover
08-14-17, 16:03
Mongers make a negligible contribution to the economy, and most of what they pay doesn't stay in Germany anyway.Fully on line with you, prostitution has a extremely limited impact on the global German economy. Probably close to 0.
Horny Harry
08-14-17, 17:04
As I've said before: for the future of FKK clubs look at Sweden, a country that has been ruled for decades by left wing social democrats and neo-communist greens. What a woman decides to do with her body is something extremely libertarian and (in case of prostitution) extremely capitalistic, so why do you think it does not mix well with left wing parties?
Where are the dissenting libertarian voices in Germany. Gone.
They were labeled "unpersons" by the left wing social democrates for being "racist," "sexist" and "xenophobe. " 😃.
Let's look the definition of libertarianism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism.
Libertarians seek to maximize political freedom and autonomy, emphasizing freedom of choice, voluntary association, individual judgment, and self-ownership.
Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power. These are principles that are 180 degrees opposite to the social democrat's (SPD) principles of the typical post WW2 European welfare state.
The Greens are nothing but neo-communists who after the Berlin Wall came down in 1989, quickly reinvented themselves as 'environmentalists' to avoid any association with the horrors of communism. This is a pattern you see with almost every 'green' party in Europe: they are almost all founded after 1990 after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the bloody revolution in Romania against communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu, yet many core members and politicians date from the various European communist parties. Question: why do you think the German Greens are called B90-Die Gruene? What do you think the "90" is referring to? 😉
Both social democrats (SPD) and neo-communists (Greens, Die Linke) have one big thing in common and that is that they believe in a strong and big government, planning the life of their citizens from cradle to grave. For example with strict prostitution laws?
The CDU and FDP are definitely not purely libertarian, but they sure are much more libertarian in nature than the SPD / Greens / Die Linke, however Angela Merkel is not your typical CDU politician. As I previously said, there is quite a bit of controversy about Merkel's role in the CDU. Have a look at this video if you speak German: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFY1BIi0lfw
I'm definitely not surprised about this new prostitution law coming from Angela Merkel and I would doubt that the Greens or the SPD will reverse this if they come to power in 2018. This law has the 'Greens signature' all over it: deeply intruding into people's personal lives supposedly for 'humanitarian' or 'social' reasons.
There is still a lot of mystery about Angela Merkel's DDR past and how she was intertwined with the DDR communist system. According to the author interviewed in the YouTube video I posted below, many friends were quite surprised when she advanced her political career with the CDU, as they would have guessed she would be better at home with the Greens. (from 3:00 onwards)
Furthermore, there are lingering questions about the integrity of the "Christiche Friedenskonferenz" (rumoured to be a StaSi front) in which her father was involved, her role during her student years in the FDJ (communist youth organisation in the DDR), and her role in the left wing ("Oekologisch und Sozial") party "Demokratischer Aufbruch."
Here's a short video (in German) about the book "Merkels Maske" (Merkel's Mask): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFY1BIi0lfw.
Again: libertarianism is dead in Europe, killed by a a left wing, authoritative, and highly intolerant generation of the 1968 flower power movement that are now occupying key positions in the (state owned!) media, the legal system and politics, and this snowflake generation is now continuing to build the socialist paradise that was inconveniently interrupted by reality in the DDR and the USSR. There is no need for any Rote Armee Fraction anymore, because they have won.
Anyway, you don't live in Germany/Europe so you can romantically dream about social engineering, just like the hippies and (self-proclaimed) intellectuals from the 1968's flower power generation visited the the Soviet Union to marvel at it's socialist beauty for only a few weeks, but almost none of them chose to live there and after a few weeks/months they quickly returned back to the comforts of that evil western capitalist system. When they visited the USSR they probably never had to stand in line for a loaf of bread, just like you don't have to live in the multicultural ghettos that are popping up all over Europe.
HH. Again, pretty much agree with what you say.
But you damn me for not living in multicultural ghettos nor living in Europe.
Wrong. I have had the good fortune to spend several long periods of my life in such areas (the longest period being 20 years).
Wrong: I do live in Europe.
If you want to label me try "social democratic libertarian" : that's a paradox nowadays.There have been libertarian strands strong in many social democrat parties, but as far as I know, they have all disappeared, defeated by the statist Social control so called Democrats.
As a committed person of the European left I agree totally with you about the appalling lack of tolerance in social democratic parties in recent decades.
Cheers
Polyamorist
08-14-17, 23:45
Marhaba, Optimist. Any party that calls itself left-wing should be supporting the FKKs as an efficient way of redistributing capital from people who have too much money to people who have too little, for example from American mongers to poor Romanian girls and their families. (Me I am neither left-wing nor right-wing; or rather, I can't fly with one wing only!
Member #4581
08-14-17, 23:56
Marhaba, Optimist. Any party that calls itself left-wing should be supporting the FKKs as an efficient way of redistributing capital from people who have too much money to people who have too littleAccording to some commentators here, these girls are quite well off -- at least the more popular ones who have been around for a while. And some guys claim they are barely afloat, sleeping in public parks and their cars. So, perhaps in the interest of equality, we should let money flow from girls to the guys now?
Hey all,
I will be in Frankfurt late August for 2 days, Thurs and Friday. I'm 24 years old so I'm hoping if some of the experts can recommend 2 or 3 FKKs with the most WG's.
Thanks in advance!
Nympholepsy
08-15-17, 04:18
Hi,
I am monger with roots in Asia. But have never set foot inside an FKK bar ever. All that will change on 25th July. I have a layover of roughly 10 hours in Frankfurt and need your guidance on the following:
- Which club has the highest ratio of blondes?
- Are there any FKK clubs that I should avoid as a non-Caucasian? Any clubs where girls are known to prefer a white clientele? Nothing personal here and will not be upset. It is merely a practical question to make my go farther.
- Has anyone recently experienced a good DFK included in the base price of 50/30 min? I am a sucker for DFK as you can see.
- Sharks vs Oase? (note my DFK and Blonde requirement).
- Lastly, has anyone recently taken a taxi to Sharks or Oase from Frankfurt airport? How much was the cost?
Thanks.25 July has long past. I guess you mean 25 August. Wanting DFK for base price may be a bit optimistic with many girls. Some may give it. I hope you won't arrive Frankfurt too early like 6 AM. Not best time.
If you want to spend base price, then you don't want to spend a lot on Taxi from the Airport to Sharks or Oase. I would not do that. The "AIR" bus from airport to Darmstadt (for Sharks) has been reported on recently. Can get from Airport to Friedrichsdorf by train (for Oase). Mainhatten maybe best option as closer to Airport (taxi cheaper).
I am sure there are plenty of bottle blondes. Many of us don't care about hair colour.
Me I am neither left-wing nor right-wing; or rather, I can't fly with one wing only!Ah, a very wise man.
Cheers
Hey all,
I will be in Frankfurt late August for 2 days, Thurs and Friday. I'm 24 years old so I'm hoping if some of the experts can recommend 2 or 3 FKKs with the most WG's.
Thanks in advance!Oase and Sharks around FRA.
Speak with girls before going to room.
Enjoy.
ExpatLover
08-15-17, 10:48
According to some commenters here, these girls are quite well off -- at least the more popular ones who have been around for a while. And some guys claim they are barely afloat, sleeping in public parks and their cars. So, perhaps in the interest of equality, we should let money flow from girls to the guys now?Money is already flowing from girls to pimps or boy friends / husbands knowing that that probably more than 70% of the girls have this kind of relationship.
The new law has not influenced my take on German FKKs as much as I feared. It might be worse for those going for other parts of the german market instead of FKK's though. There are minor club differences, but all in all my visits in August were positive for me, so I am going back.
Trying Austria too now. P.S.: GT Vienna blows. Wellcum is fine. Reminds me of the Artemis lineup 5 years ago.
Polyamorist
08-15-17, 11:20
According to some commenters here, these girls are quite well off -- at least the more popular ones who have been around for a while. And some guys claim they are barely afloat, sleeping in public parks and their cars. So, perhaps in the interest of equality, we should let money flow frrom girls to the guys now?Hawwāmtī mumtil'ah bi'anqalaysūand, Jnpr! Ok, well I'll offer to be punched in the eye for 50 euros, or take a CBJ for 50 euros, or both (special combo deal) for 75 euros. Inshallah that will get the ball rolling.
For those who think new German law is a problem they can't manage with their manners and behavior with girls who usually give you back from what you are with them. Usually, when you give them good things, after they say: now your turn, I take care of you. At the locker, they say: see you when kissing you, when they see you they come to you. Win-win business for money and pleasure.
But for standard, free BBBJ:
In NL, YY close to GT with happy hour 50 before 2 pm, 6 ens close to Aachen and not far from Koln, with happy hour for 40 I think.
Expensive Switzerland of course, even can have high GFE level, 30 mn rooms at Swiss Dietikon around Zurich, for 89 CHF = 83 € , even a bit longer time, nearly 40 mn if the girl really likes you, with DFK and free BBBJ of course, after sweet social time before room. In Switzerland and also Germany, can sometimes get extra services for free. Entry is 65 at Swiss.
Austria, with great Wellcum for me on this Summer, spending 4 days from Thursday to Sunday, to recover and try to climb Monte Zoncolan, had to drive 200 kms every day to go and back, leaving the club and coming back. Casting was a real pleasure for my eyes, with Maia. Hu, Adela. Ro, Natali. Hu, a small blond, a beautiful brunette but with not fresh enough eyes like Dina at Sharks. Many very beautiful bodies. Tara. Ro and Daria. Ro with red hair were really lovely. Better casting for me than Globe and than Germany of course. In a club for Italians, with Italians expectations for services level, many girls saying not kissing, but BBBJ with CIM is very Ok. Italians are great business at Wellcum and quite easy clients, lovers but not asking for kissing, compare to a french alien. On end of first night, after Tara to warm up and Elsa who was my mistake because not pretty enough even lovely, I found a new so sweet GF. On second day, when girls looked at us, they all understood, on third and fourth days, some guys were also looking at us during our very sweet social time and going to room fingers in fingers. In a not standard kissing club, I found a real sweet, hot, 25 yo Romanian beauty, for 6 1 hour rooms in 4 days, only her on third and fourth day. Unfortunately, but fortunately for me, she gave me the reason not to return to Wellcum when I left Frioul Venezia, 2500 kms to go and back from Parns, poor car, but I can only say Wellcum was really great for me, with her. Great services for club, entry 85 can be paid with credit card without charge. 70/30 mn with girls with standard free BBBJ, and most important for me, real passionate DFK and sex. Better to look now for new GF and wait for GF to be back from holidays.
GF are only in clubs for me, even sending messages for appointments or to thank them for pleasure, I'm not interested out of clubs or in Romania.
ExpatLover
08-15-17, 15:15
Hi,
I am monger with roots in Asia. But have never set foot inside an FKK bar ever. All that will change on 25th July. I have a layover of roughly 10 hours in Frankfurt and need your guidance on the following:
- Are there any FKK clubs that I should avoid as a non-Caucasian? Any clubs where girls are known to prefer a white clientele? Nothing personal here and will not be upset. It is merely a practical question to make my go farther.
- Which club has the highest ratio of blondes?
- Has anyone recently experienced a good DFK included in the base price of 50/30 min? I am a sucker for DFK as you can see.
- Sharks vs Oase? (note my DFK and Blonde requirement).
- Lastly, has anyone recently taken a taxi to Sharks or Oase from Frankfurt airport? How much was the cost?
Thanks.Veejay most probably your roots are in India, are you Hindu? If you are very dark skinned like people from Chennai (Tamil) it will be a bit more challenging to find the top blond girls to go with you, they prefer Japanese, Korean or Chinese guys.
All For Bb
08-15-17, 15:19
If condom comes off (or slips off into the pussy) during the sex and no one notice before finishing, is that against the new law?
ExpatLover
08-15-17, 15:23
If condom comes off (or slips off into the pussy) during the sex and no one notice before finishing, is that against the new law?Of course it is against, that is why the girls are always checking (doggy) if the condom is still on place, now if you are a regular of the girl and she trust in you she will just take the condom out and continue to please you.
The new law has not influenced my take on German FKKs as much as I feared. It might be worse for those going for other parts of the german market instead of FKK's though. There are minor club differences, but all in all my visits in August were positive for me, so I am going back.
Trying Austria too now. P.S.: GT Vienna blows. Wellcum is fine. Reminds me of the Artemis lineup 5 years ago.Hi,
Because of the new law. Just thinking about GT Vienna + Welcum (and Maria club which is great and near by) or Oase+Sharks.
What do you think is better? Where is the best line up? Do you still get BBBJ in Frankfurt?
If condom comes off (or slips off into the pussy) during the sex and no one notice before finishing, is that against the new law?If Polizei is hidden under the bed, You will be prosecuted, You have to take care of the condom for BJ and sex, to respect the new law, since 1st July.
Hi,
Because of the new law. Just thinking about GT Vienna + Welcum (and Maria club which is great and near by) or Oase+Sharks.
What do you think is better? Where is the best line up? Do you still get BBBJ in Frankfurt?You mean Marina club in Slovenia? I thought about, but no reason for me to go elsewhere than Wellcum with my GF. No Andiamo this year, even I enjoyed on last Summer.
Free and standard BBBJ in Wellcum. Illegal in Germany.
Banana Boi
08-15-17, 16:52
Wellcum is fine. Reminds me of the Artemis lineup 5 years ago.Are you implying mainly German girls?
If Polizei is hidden under the bed, You will be prosecuted, You have to take care of the condom for BJ and sex, to respect the new law, since 1st July.They would have to require an additional law to install cameras in all FKK rooms, then hire new government workers to watch multiple screens of the FKK rooms and report everyone who doesn't use a condom for französisch. Video stills would be printed out and downloaded by local polizei who would respond to the club address. Ideally within 30 minutes or less to avoid the perpetrators absconding.
Are you implying mainly German girls?1 black, few Hungarians, few Italian girls, 1 from Messine Sicilia, most from Romania but many pretty and 1 more top Romanian GF for my pleasure. Romanians can really be tender and passionate.
The new law has not influenced my take on German FKKs as much as I feared. It might be worse for those going for other parts of the german market instead of FKK's though. There are minor club differences, but all in all my visits in August were positive for me, so I am going back.
Trying Austria too now. P.S.: GT Vienna blows. Wellcum is fine. Reminds me of the Artemis lineup 5 years ago.GT Vienna casting was higher than Wellcum bodies? With also some pretty face. Roxana was only average for me at Wellcum. Beatrice ex LR was cute topless or full naked.
At Wellcum, some girls have lingerie, some are topless, some have ass naked, some are full naked.
Polyamorist
08-15-17, 19:45
If Polizei is hidden under the bed, You will be prosecuted.I hate to get legalistic, but strictly speaking there would need to be no mattress so the Polizei could peer through the slats in order for this to be accepted as credible eyewitness testimony.
So I wouldn't worry about it that much.
"If thou pronounce the word aloud, (it is no matter): for verily. He knoweth what is secret and what is yet more hidden. " (Surah Ta Ha, 7).
Hi,
Because of the new law. Just thinking about GT Vienna + Welcum (and Maria club which is great and near by) or Oase+Sharks.
What do you think is better? Where is the best line up?Wellcum is fine. A bit expensive, but more impressive lineup than all german clubs. Not more 9's than the top german clubs. So maybe around 3. But maybe 30 8's (And different people may have different ideas. I am considering Marina too. Not sure. They say it can be up to 60 girls there. Up to 90 at Wellcum. But Marina is slightly cheaper. Andiamo is waste of time now.
I would only do 1 or max 2 trips to Austria / Italy border a year. Rest to Germany. Germany is more convenient and prices are more affordable. Also more 9's if you consider there are tons in clubs in one location.
GT Vienna is an upsell hell. Worse than Palace.
Are you implying mainly German girls?Not a single German that I've met. But tons of Hungarians and Bulgarians. And a top both Moldavian 9 for example. Romanian percentage is over 50%, but not much.
If condom comes off (or slips off into the pussy) during the sex and no one notice before finishing, is that against the new law?This is a funny question, it is sex without condom so its againt the law, but if you prove for the judge that it slips off and no one notice and the judge believes you then you will get Innocence.
Banana Boi
08-16-17, 01:19
This is a funny question, it is sex without condom so its againt the law, but if you prove for the judge that it slips off and no one notice and the judge believes you then you will get Innocence.But the problem is not whether or not you would have to pay a fine the issue is you would have to go to court. Imagine a 1 day trip to Germany and you are stuck there for how long waiting for your court date. Likely isn't going to fly too well for many employers and wives waiting for your return.
Tourism decreasing in Germany already. Airberlin just filed for bankruptcy probably due to less hobbyists flying to Germany from now on.
Wellcum is fine. A bit expensive, but more impressive lineup than all german clubs. Not more 9's than the top german clubs. So maybe around 3. But maybe 30 8's (And different people may have different ideas. I am considering Marina too. Not sure. They say it can be up to 60 girls there. Up to 90 at Wellcum. But Marina is slightly cheaper. Andiamo is waste of time now.
I would only do 1 or max 2 trips to Austria / Italy border a year. Rest to Germany. Germany is more convenient and prices are more affordable. Also more 9's if you consider there are tons in clubs in one location.
GT Vienna is an upsell hell. Worse than Palace.Until Ferragosto party on Saturday 12 August, with a few girls missing on Sunday, no German girls, only a few Italians and claimed Hungarians but speaking Romanian, 1 curvy, very hot Spanish from Valencia, mostly Romanian girls, but Wellcum is best casting for me seen since Sharks on 2015 and Globe on Summer 2016, but Sharks and Globe can t compete now for my eyes. Entry 85 really worth for me for good foods, drinks, 2 beer included, and pleasure for my eyes with many beauties and Carinthian mountains to contemplate. Only bad point is too long to wait at the bar, Sharks bar is faster maybe because they know me better. Rooms are with shower, but not so good light, compare to Sharks or LR. I need better light to enjoy skin quality.
Anyway, if Wellcum was not at more than 1200 kms from Paris, I would visit every week end, but too far, and maybe better like this. No upselling for me in room at Wellcum, honest and some really sweet girls like Daria red hair, Tara, my GF of course, also playful Adela who didn't want to kiss when I asked her on first night, but seeing me every day, she said OK for extra money, but not very fresh breathe and I don t pay extra for kissing, because the way girls kiss me make me feel how they like me, more intimate for girls than BBBJ / CIM / even swallowing or fingers in vagina or ass, so I enjoy when they kiss me in natural fluent way, not like robot, or in passionate way like my GF at Wellcum, then real illusion, even bigger business is always more attractive for these girls. At least she gave me a good reason not to think about returning soon.
FlagRunner7
08-16-17, 22:03
I've been looking through various FKK house threads and a few people have mentioned that BBBJ is now no longer the norm (in fact it is now illegal in all houses). Is this true? This will seriously limit my visits to Germany if this is the case!
Tourism decreasing in Germany already. Airberlin just filed for bankruptcy probably due to less hobbyists flying to Germany from now on.Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe. If sex tourism stopped overnight, people would still fly to Germany to conduct business.
Air Berlin has had financial troubles for a long time.
Attacks in London, Berlin, Paris and Nice have affected tourism across Europe--not just Germany.
In the past week, I was in city center of Munich. City was still flooded with tourists. Doubt they were FKKers since many were with their wives and children on holiday. People come for the art, opera, architecture, shopping, cars, beer, skiing.
ExpatLover
08-17-17, 02:34
I've been looking through various FKK house threads and a few people have mentioned that BBBJ is now no longer the norm (in fact it is now illegal in all houses). Is this true? This will seriously limit my visits to Germany if this is the case!Since the 1st July it is illegal like CIM, if you are caught you will be fined but the risk is very low, on contrary many girls are refusing to do BBBJ or CIM except they know you.
KC Questor
08-17-17, 03:21
Tourism decreasing in Germany already. Airberlin just filed for bankruptcy probably due to less hobbyists flying to Germany from now on.Unsubstantiated hyperbole. The amount of business that Airberlin gets from dedicated hobbyists is minor. Even if every single foreign hobbyist quit flying to Germany, which clearly isn't happening, it would have a minuscule effect on their business.
As already said by McAdonis Air Berlin has long long been in trouble.
Eurowings which has some of the routes AB operates may be facing strikes arising from ABs problems. The Lufthansa group has, after years of crippling strikes, had 10 months without strikes so I guess the EW staff are possibly happy to start again.
So, if flying, avoid Eurowings for the moment,. (Unfortunately it is the only airline available for me).
Polyamorist
08-17-17, 10:53
As already said by McAdonis Air Berlin has long long been in trouble.
It's looking grim. At this stage I can see only one way out of bankruptcy for them and it's a long shot but you learn a lot from porn movies. Air Berlin should enter the profitable business of sex and rebrand themselves as the Mile High FKK.
A cheer would go up from the passengers whenever they announced: "We are flying out of German airspace. The BBBJ light has been activated. ".
Riḥlah saʿdah!
Take out all the economy seating and replace with their lie flat business seats all throughout the plane. Then take off from Dusseldorf and fly in a holding pattern just outside the Netherlands border.
It's looking grim. At this stage I can see only one way out of bankruptcy for them and it's a long shot but you learn a lot from porn movies. Air Berlin should enter the profitable business of sex and rebrand themselves as the Mile High FKK.
A cheer would go up from the passengers whenever they announced: "We are flying out of German airspace. The BBBJ light has been activated. ".
Riḥlah saʿdah!
Horny Harry
08-17-17, 16:28
As already said by McAdonis Air Berlin has long long been in trouble.
Good riddance, they treated their employees like shit and still managed to lose money non-stop.
Hermann666
08-17-17, 16:35
Does anyone know exactly how the condom requirement is written in the law? For example, would it be possible to cut off the tip of the condom?
Does anyone know exactly how the condom requirement is written in the law? For example, would it be possible to cut off the tip of the condom?How is the seatbelt requirement written in the highway code? Would it be possible to pretend to wear a severed seat belt or pretend it got unstuck in order to avert a fine?
FlagRunner7
08-17-17, 20:29
Which places strictly enforce the CBJ law in NRW? From reading through this thread, the only one I've seen mentioned is Aca in Velbert (sadly, this used to be my favourite place).
Also, stupid question, but is BBBJ still the norm in YY as it is not in Germany?
Thanks.
UltraHappy
08-18-17, 01:14
For example, would it be possible to cut off the tip of the condom?It is indeed *possible* to cut off the tip of the condom, but this would not remove one from the purview of the law. Sorry. Please try again.
Neurosynth
08-18-17, 02:58
It is indeed *possible* to cut off the tip of the condom, but this would not remove one from the purview of the law. Sorry. Please try again.All of this pedantic legal "analysis" is a waste of space. The law has been in place for 6 weeks now. Has anyone heard of a single man being fined under the new law? Has anyone seen any kind of police presence for enforcement?
No. Because this is an unenforcible law, and most of the politicians probably didn't expect it to be enforced. It's a public posture for politicians, and the only people who will know first hand it's bogus will be the guys who want it to be bogus so they can enjoy BB services.
Which places strictly enforce the CBJ law in NRW? From reading through this thread, the only one I've seen mentioned is Aca in Velbert (sadly, this used to be my favourite place).
Also, stupid question, but is BBBJ still the norm in YY as it is not in Germany?
Thanks.New German law is not for NL nor Austria or Switzerland. YY is still BBBJ, like most of clubs in Germany.
But the problem is not whether or not you would have to pay a fine the issue is you would have to go to court. Imagine a 1 day trip to Germany and you are stuck there for how long waiting for your court date. Likely isn't going to fly too well for many employers and wives waiting for your return.It's real tough. After the court date, you head out to the FKK and get another BBBJ.
Tourism decreasing in Germany already. Airberlin just filed for bankruptcy probably due to less hobbyists flying to Germany from now on.If this is a joke, it is not funny. If it is not, it is pathetic.
Does anyone know exactly how the condom requirement is written in the law? For example, would it be possible to cut off the tip of the condom?If this is a joke, it is not funny; if it is not, it is pathetic.
How is the seatbelt requirement written in the highway code? Would it be possible to pretend to wear a severed seat belt or pretend it got unstuck in order to avert a fine?Good comparison. Obviously, in both cases, one is guilty.
Polyamorist
08-18-17, 13:14
How is the seatbelt requirement written in the highway code? Would it be possible to pretend to wear a severed seat belt or pretend it got unstuck in order to avert a fine?Assalam XXL. A lot of guys fantasize about doing 200 mph down the Autobahn while sniffing coke and being sucked off at the same time, but not many ladies will do that without being paid -- which now means having to wear a condom to avoid the risk factor.
But what if you "forget" the rubber, and then the seatbelt snaps off at the moment of orgasm, and a police car pulls you over? God forbid that ever happens to anybody on the forum, but it seems like an easy trap to fall into, so it would be nice to know how best to defend yourself in that situation: (a) accept a seatbelt fine, however unfair, or (b) say you WERE wearing a seatbelt and explain about the BBBJ, in which case you get zinged with *that* fine, or (c) always keep a soiled condom in your glove compartment that you can claim just slipped off you if questioned, or (d) ??
Member #4581
08-18-17, 13:46
All of this pedantic legal "analysis" is a waste of space. The law has been in place for 6 weeks now. Has anyone heard of a single man being fined under the new law? Has anyone seen any kind of police presence for enforcement?.I have not, but then again my only source for this kind of news is this board. How and where do we expect to hear about any fines, violations? You would not expect it to splash on headline news on global TV when a guy gets booked, do we? It is bound to be low key news, and unknown to most people and known only to the guy booked if that ever happens -- unless it happens in front of other audience in a big club and then reported in a forum like this.
Neurosynth
08-18-17, 16:31
I have not, but then again my only source for this kind of news is this board. How and where do we expect to hear about any fines, violations? You would not expect it to splash on headnline news on global TV when a guy gets booked, do we? It is bound to be low key news, and unknown to most people and known only to the guy booked if that ever happens -- unless it happens in front of other audience in a big club and then reported in a forum like this.OK, so we can file BBBJ fines along with Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster as things that nobody actually has proof of, but which may exist because you just never know.
ExpatLover
08-18-17, 17:18
I have not, but then again my only source for this kind of news is this board. How and where do we expect to hear about any fines, violations? You would not expect it to splash on headnline news on global TV when a guy gets booked, do we? It is bound to be low key news, and unknown to most people and known only to the guy booked if that ever happens -- unless it happens in front of other audience in a big club and then reported in a forum like this.If a monger get catch he will never do any advertising on it, like all my very clever friends who are explaining to me for years that mongering in France, Italy, roumania etc. Is very safe but they will just tell you several months later after some beers that they were in a risky / challenging situation with a prostitute in those country and to escape they have to pay 1000 or even more euros to the pimps.
Member #4581
08-18-17, 20:31
OK, so we can file BBBJ fines along with Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster as things that nobody actually has proof of, but which may exist because you just never know.Thanks. It always helps to give a snippy condescending answer when having no fucking clue how to answer it...
I've been trying to check German news sites and forums specialising in certain never to be named activities to see if there's any info on raids, fines and so on. So far nothing. Of course it's very very early days. It will be a long time before we know how the authorities handle enforcement.
Unlike Big foot and Loch Ness monster it is possible that BBBJ fines don't exist now but may exist in future LOL. Or may not.
Hopefully Germany won't follow Florida's lead and hold press conferences each time they bust someone with everyone's pics on a huge billboard.
OK, so we can file BBBJ fines along with Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster as things that nobody actually has proof of, but which may exist because you just never know.
Hopefully Germany won't follow Florida's lead and hold press conferences each time they bust someone with everyone's pics on a huge billboard.That will never happen. Unlike the mistaken belief in the USA, the Germans have Constitutional rights too. One is a right to dignity. So, public shaming would be specifically excluded. Those who chant USA USA USA need to visit other countries and see better systems.
Which places strictly enforce the CBJ law in NRW? From reading through this thread, the only one I've seen mentioned is Aca in Velbert (sadly, this used to be my favourite place).My visit to Samya was pretty shit.
Polyamorist
08-20-17, 12:31
My visit to Samya was pretty shit.Salaam Ableyone! As I predicted before July 1, this law is doing a great job of separating the wheat from the chaff. I gave up on Samya long ago, and it is no surprise the girls there should take this attitude. As a wise sufi once said:
"To my friends, the BBBJ; to my enemies, the law. ".
Banana Boi
08-20-17, 14:11
Salaam Ableyone! As I predicted before July 1, this law is doing a great job of separating the wheat from the chaff. Which clubs did you predict BBBJ would still be available in and have you been correct in all your predictions?
ExpatLover
08-20-17, 15:35
My visit to Samya was pretty shit.Something new, sorry but no, just read my reports about Samya.
The Hamburg section on here reported that different areas of Germany are not starting the CBJ law until 2018. So Hamburg is exempt until next year?
Polyamorist
08-20-17, 18:05
Which clubs did you predict BBBJ would still be available in and have you been correct in all your predictions?Salaam BB and may you always be BB! If only I were that good at predicting blowjobs, I could sell my knowledge to the Polizei for a million euros so that the Franzoezischeinsatzkommando (Blowjob SWAT team) might arrive at an FKK early -- the same way the precogs in "Minority Report" are able to stop High Crimes before they are even committed.
One thing I can reveal without infringing on 20th Century Fox copyright is that BBBJ remains available in wide swathes of Expatistan, including the city where I am currently lodged. Indeed, many a fair Arab maiden's mouth is pregnant with the dirty things I have done to her.
"Eza kan*habeebak*assal matakloush kollo. " ("If your lover is honey, don't lick it all. ".
The Hamburg section on here reported that different areas of Germany are not starting the CBJ law until 2018. So Hamburg is exempt until next year?Hamburg Harburg HH, Atmos may be out of the new law? Before it was written on rooms doors 50/30 mn and BBBJ +20.
As a foreigner I think this new law is good to try to protect girls and also good for me who never beg for services with girls or at the desk, but prefer to get girls will to please me, much more enjoyable game.
Are Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuweit, Qatar, offering same freedom for sex: DFK, BJ, DATY, sex?
DiscoverLink
08-22-17, 17:39
Sorry to be asking for help before posting on this forum but I plan to post a good share soon.
In general, are guests of the club asked to leave if they end up napping between sessions with the girls? I will be visiting many clubs on my 2 week holiday in September and I've become concerned that the jet lag from the US will have me so tired I might fall asleep on a lounge chair. Driving back and forth to my hotel to get a nap if I'm tired seems impractical and dangerous.
If any of the following are closed and / or Ripoffs, input would be appreciated. I've done my research and I'm planning visits to (not in any order) LR, Babylon, Treff188, Dolce Vita Sauna Club, Xantener or Dolce Vita Partytreff (for the experience), Golden Time, Oase Frankfurt, FKK First, and FKK Stuttgart.
And a maybe for Japan Miss, FKK Mainhattan, and the Aachen RLD.
Many Thanks in advance as most of my research was done right here.
DL.
ExpatLover
08-22-17, 19:44
Salaam BB and may you always be BB! If only I were that good at predicting blowjobs, I could sell my knowledge to the Polizei for a million euros so that the Franzoezischeinsatzkommando (Blowjob SWAT team) might arrive at an FKK early -- the same way the precogs in "Minority Report" are able to stop High Crimes before they are even committed.
One thing I can reveal without infringing on 20th Century Fox copyright is that BBBJ remains available in wide swathes of Expatistan, including the city where I am currently lodged. Indeed, many a fair Arab maiden's mouth is pregnant with the dirty things I have done to her.
"Eza kan*habeebak*assal matakloush kollo. " ("If your lover is honey, don't lick it all. ".Where did you learn English or wish kind of medicine are you taking but it seems very strong?
How do a lot of you guys remember the names of the girls. As much as I tried I could not remember names. Even once we entered a room I was blank. Only one girl I remember but that's because she accidentally told me her real name on our second session which was different to the original name I was given. (She got caught up telling a story and then she realized and was shocked for a moment).
BadinSweet
08-23-17, 02:25
DL, sleeping in the club is normal. You won't be the only one doing it. Just don't be like "someone" I know, who travelled across the pond, just to go back to his hotel when he had the jetlag. Then he couldn't sleep as night / morning in Germany is daytime in US and was spending time writing on ISG. He even changed his flight to come back to US early!
Member #4581
08-23-17, 02:48
DL, sleeping in the club is normal. You won't be the only one doing it. Just don't be like "someone" I know, who travelled across the pond, just to go back to his hotel when he had the jetlag. Then he couldn't sleep as night / morning in Germany is daytime in US and was spending time writing on ISG. He even changed his flight to come back to US early!Jesus, your friend sounds like a dude who needs an energy pill. I can't imagine how anyone can claim jet lag when surrounded by a bevy of naked beauties. But then I understand not everyone is a horny hedgehog like myself, LOL.
Banana Boi
08-23-17, 02:52
are guests of the club asked to leave if they end up napping between sessions with the girls? I know some guys who sleep in FKK clubs more than they're awake.
If any of the following are closed and / or Ripoffs, input would be appreciated. I've done my research and I'm planning visits to (not in any order) LR, Babylon, Treff188, Dolce Vita Sauna Club, Xantener or Dolce Vita Partytreff (for the experience), Golden Time, Oase Frankfurt, FKK First, and FKK Stuttgart.
And a maybe for Japan Miss, FKK Mainhattan, and the Aachen RLD.
Not sure if this is still the case but DV girls used to push for lady drinks at 25(?) euro a pop. Even without this not sure why you put DV over other clubs like Samya or Acapulco.
If you're going to Aachen RLD you may as well go to Sixsens. 40 euro entry before 2 pm, better on a Friday or Saturday. I've never actually been to Aachen RLD but I've guessing Laufhaus in Cologne near Mondial and the brothels in Duisburg would be better.
How do a lot of you guys remember the names of the girls. We write the names on our hands.
I guess it depends on how good a memory and listening skills you have.
KC Questor
08-23-17, 04:28
How do a lot of you guys remember the names of the girls.
We write the names on our hands. When I'm at a strip club I enter the girls' names in my phone. I'm actually hoping to use the downtime between ladies to write trip reports into my tablet -- some of the places even have wifi. So I plan to have detailed notes.
Member #4581
08-24-17, 03:23
We write the names on our hands. .Ha, good one. Don't these girls have their pimps' names tattooed on their forehands? Can match them -- usually girls have just one pimp, but we can have a hundred pimpettes (or whatever is the female equivalent of pimp is).
How do a lot of you guys remember the names of the girls. As much as I tried I could not remember names. Even once we entered a room I was blank. Only one girl I remember but that's because she accidentally told me her real name on our second session which was different to the original name I was given. (She got caught up telling a story and then she realized and was shocked for a moment).Even in a brothel, even with a Bulgarian or Romanian prostitute, its just impossible for me to have sex with a girl, just like a piece of meat, without putting a name on her, even only job name, but usually girls give me also real name. I also need to ask where they come from, if they have brothers and sisters, if they were student or working, even I don't care if they are Romanian or Italian or Russian, tattoos are always brothers or father name, never pimp and all Russian escorts study economy, about how to make business.
Maybe because I was instructed for this, but I don't forget names or other points, for girls I met, not even always having room with them.
Sometimes, some girls say: You don't remember we were in room, like long blond hair, white skin, a bit saggy tits, not pretty face, sitting at the bar on entry side, close to Brenda / Lea big tits, Selena at Sharks, I was able to answer we only talked but no room, this with more than 100 days in FKK per year and more than 1000 rooms, most with same girls, more than 200 rooms with only 5 girls. Can't have sex with no name flesh, I can't go with a girl just saying: Zimmer, we go.
Are girls doing BBBJ or is it all CBJ?
LukasFlirt
08-24-17, 15:12
Are girls doing BBBJ or is it all CBJ?They're doing it, some at least, just for a little more than the standard service and with a little convincing.
HectorSanchez
08-24-17, 19:20
Are there any indians in FKK clubs?
Are they welcome?
Any observations on them? Your comments won't be taken personally.
I monger in latin american mostly but wondering about any particular things that I need to know of before making a big trip.
Any suggestions are welcome.
Are there any indians in FKK clubs?
Are they welcome?
Any observations on them? Your comments won't be taken personally.
I monger in latin american mostly but wondering about any particular things that I need to know of before making a big trip.
Any suggestions are welcome.Risky at GT Bruggen and LR Kaarst, but in most of clubs all money with good manners are welcome in this business.
Kosher Kowboy
08-25-17, 16:23
crap, have to rewrite this, just zapped it when editing, to be continued
jetlag
I'll finish later, apologies, but in a nutshell go to Sharks! By far my favorite
ExpatLover
08-25-17, 18:46
Are there any indians in FKK clubs?
Are they welcome?
Any observations on them? Your comments won't be taken personally.
I monger in latin american mostly but wondering about any particular things that I need to know of before making a big trip.
Any suggestions are welcome.It depends on your behavior, and sorry if you are sme. Or not, if you are clean and behave like a gentleman you will be welcome but you have to know that some girls will not go with you probably the most beautiful and blondine one, but they will also not go with other guys if they are under 35 years old. The tops girls are not hungry that have always some sugar daddy to sponsor them, good luck.
FunExplorer
08-26-17, 08:35
Are there any indians in FKK clubs?
Are they welcome?
Any observations on them? Your comments won't be taken personally.
I monger in latin american mostly but wondering about any particular things that I need to know of before making a big trip.
Any suggestions are welcome.All nationals are welcome in FKKs. After all the girls are there for money.
Does anybody have any experience with this FKK in the Hamburg area? Getting reports on Babylon Hamburg, Atmos, and Harmony but nothing on this one. Curious to know if it's any good. If so, it could be a fourth FKK to add to one's Hamburg rotation.
http://www.fkk-hh.de/
The day before your flight do not sleep if possible. Then you will sleep on the redeye flight over. Try to sleep most if not all of the flight over the Atlantic if possible. Then wake up and get to a club around 11 am.
Sorry to be asking for help before posting on this forum but I plan to post a good share soon.
In general, are guests of the club asked to leave if they end up napping between sessions with the girls? I will be visiting many clubs on my 2 week holiday in September and I've become concerned that the jet lag from the US will have me so tired I might fall asleep on a lounge chair. Driving back and forth to my hotel to get a nap if I'm tired seems impractical and dangerous.
If any of the following are closed and / or Ripoffs, input would be appreciated. I've done my research and I'm planning visits to (not in any order) LR, Babylon, Treff188, Dolce Vita Sauna Club, Xantener or Dolce Vita Partytreff (for the experience), Golden Time, Oase Frankfurt, FKK First, and FKK Stuttgart.
And a maybe for Japan Miss, FKK Mainhattan, and the Aachen RLD.
Many Thanks in advance as most of my research was done right here.
DL.
Bad Boy Billy
08-30-17, 16:05
Any intel on this club? Anybody actually been there and report ambience, pricing, girl quality and performance?
ExpatLover
08-30-17, 18:05
Any intel on this club? Anybody actually been there and report ambience, pricing, girl quality and performance?Forget this kind of clubs even on the German forums the mongers are now concentrating on the big clubs or ROM, due to the decrease in prices in those clubs in the last 12 months.
Hi,
In which FKK club in NRW are the girls totally naked? Like for example in FKK Artemis in Berlin?
Thank you.
Hi,
In which of FKK in NRW are the grils fully naked?? Like for example in FKK Artemis, Berlin??
Thank you.
The day before your flight do not sleep if possible. Then you will sleep on the redeye flight over. Try to sleep most if not all of the flight over the Atlantic if possible. Then wake up and get to a club around 11 am.That sometime works for me, sometime not. The best way to avoid jet lag is having a redeye flight with business class on flat bed so you pretty much sleep over the Atlantic.
Hi,
In which of FKK in NRW are the grils fully naked?? Like for example in FKK Artemis, Berlin??
Thank you.Babylon Elsdorf, Bernds, not the best castings for beauties.
Vito Corleone
08-31-17, 08:55
Hi,
In which of FKK in NRW are the grils fully naked?? Like for example in FKK Artemis, Berlin??
Thank you.Villa Marisol & magnum.
Vito Corleone
08-31-17, 08:57
Any intel on this club? Anybody actually been there and report ambience, pricing, girl quality and performance?Nice looking girls who provide great service!
BigBuddy69
08-31-17, 15:24
Villa Marisol & magnum.Last time I checked, they were dressed in both clubs.
Last time I checked, they were dressed in both clubs.Yes both are fully dressed, and Villa Marisol has closed its doors since last Monday (no plans on reopening).
For FKK: LuderLounge, Babylon, Bernds and the RTCs.
Hi everyone,
I'll traveling to Koln for the first time next month for a night, and I have a few questions.
I would like to visit FKK Samya from the Koln central station.
Is it safe to take the train to get to Samya after 9 pm? I'll have to walk around 10 minutes from the nearest station to get to Samya.
And after I'm done at around 1-2 pm, is it easy to find taxis back to the central station? What is a reliable taxi company in Koln?
Does anyone know how much the taxis charge?
How many girls are there usually on a Monday night at Samya?
DeanoBrisbane
09-01-17, 15:51
Hi everyone,
I have just booked a holiday to Europe from Christmas day till the 11th of January. Ideally I want to spend between 7 - 10 days in FKKs during this period.
I read in an old post that most girls go back home for the Christmas holidays. Is this still the case? If so how bad is the lineup?
If I schedule my FKK days after new year (say 3rd onwards), would the line-up be better?
Thanks.
Warsteiner
09-01-17, 17:05
Hi everyone,
I'll traveling to Koln for the first time next month for a night, and I have a few questions.
I would like to visit FKK Samya from the Koln central station.
Is it safe to take the train to get to Samya after 9 pm? I'll have to walk around 10 minutes from the nearest station to get to Samya.
And after I'm done at around 1-2 pm, is it easy to find taxis back to the central station? What is a reliable taxi company in Koln?
Does anyone know how much the taxis charge?
How many girls are there usually on a Monday night at Samya?I answered this in the Samya forum as well but:
Is it safe to take the train to get to Samya after 9 pm?
Yes, this is fine. Cologne is a safe city so you needn't worry. Just take the 16 from the Hbf to Michaelshoven and then a few minutes walk.
And after I'm done at around 1-2 pm, is it easy to find taxis back to the central station?
I assume you mean 1-2 AM rather than PM? In either case you won't find any taxis near Samya as it is a industrial area so there are only offices there. You can either ask the Reception to call you a taxi or use Taxi Ruf (http://www.taxiruf.de/en/startpage/) as are reliable. You can book online or call them on 0221 2882.
Does anyone know how much the taxis charge?
After midnight you are probably talking close to 30 euros from Samya to the central train station but the taxis in Germany won't rip you off so the meter will be running.
I can't answer the question about the amount of women on a Monday as I haven't been to the club for a while but someone else should be able to jump in.
Hello,
This will be my 1st time at a FKK. I am reaching Frankfurt Sunday night. I plan on visiting a FKK on Monday. Which one would you recommend for a newbie? And the best way to get to those from Frankfurt central?
Rogue Nation
09-01-17, 22:51
Hi everyone,
I have just booked a holiday to Europe from Christmas day till the 11th of January. Ideally I want to spend between 7 - 10 days in FKKs during this period.
I read in an old post that most girls go back home for the Christmas holidays. Is this still the case? If so how bad is the lineup?
If I schedule my FKK days after new year (say 3rd onwards), would the line-up be better?
Thanks.Except for New Year's eve at Sharks (sausage feast) probably the worst time of year to visit. Especially January 1st to 15th.
Hello,
This will be my 1st time at a FKK. I am reaching Frankfurt Sunday night. I plan on visiting a FKK on Monday. Which one would you recommend for a newbie? And the best way to get to those from Frankfurt central?Sharks Darmstadt is not so bad on Monday. Opening 11 am.
From Airport, I think.
MarquisdeSade1
09-02-17, 03:12
I've read comments that, made me think, WOW only a WG could have written that?
Are there any long time members that can confirm that I'm not the only reader that gets this impression?
FunExplorer
09-02-17, 06:23
Hello,
This will be my 1st time at a FKK. I am reaching Frankfurt Sunday night. I plan on visiting a FKK on Monday. Which one would you recommend for a newbie? And the best way to get to those from Frankfurt central?I would recommend Sharks. You can conveniently reach from Frankfurt Central by train to Darmstadt North. Club is only 2 kms from there by a taxi. The last train from Darmstadt Central Station, I think leaves at 10 PM. You can check on bahn.com.
ExpatLover
09-02-17, 06:53
Hi everyone,
I have just booked a holiday to Europe from Christmas day till the 11th of January. Ideally I want to spend between 7 - 10 days in FKKs during this period.
I read in an old post that most girls go back home for the Christmas holidays. Is this still the case? If so how bad is the lineup?
If I schedule my FKK days after new year (say 3rd onwards), would the line-up be better?
Thanks.Worst time to visit FKK, many girls who are explaining their families that they work in a restaurant or bar will return Romania, but always enough girls to get good time, if you are lucky some german one who just working during this time.
Rogue Nation
09-02-17, 07:25
I've read comments that, made me think, WOW only a WG could have written that?
Are there any long time members that can confirm that I'm not the only reader that gets this impression?Which comments?
Except for New Year's eve at Sharks (sausage feast) probably the worst time of year to visit. Especially January 1st to 15th.Indeed, in general avoid clubs between December 20 and January 15, gay club all over (in Germany at least).
Indeed, in general avoid clubs between December 20 and January 15, gay club all over (in Germany at least).Gay clubs for Sylvester party, but on other days around Christmas or new year, I had very good times. Had to fight with some of my very regulars to make them not work for Christmas, same like for their birthday. What a Christmas or birthday, to be fucked all along.
Sometimes other members write in the FKK threads suggesting I don't fully understand the industry from the workers' experience.
Well, one experience of prostitutes is to be murder victims of insane men. One sadly has just been murdered in Regensburg. As others have pointed out recently, some of us customers are lacking in respect, social skills, and empathy and are frankly weird, and sometimes even dangerous.
RIP unknown (to me) victim.
DeanoBrisbane. The Orthodox Christmas is around the 7th January so bad timing. Many girls will be either and romnia or taking the day off.
BUT if it is your first trip to FKK you should find plenty of girls still there and have a good time.As Maxime says there may be peaks of men at certain times.
ExpatLover
09-02-17, 20:18
Sometimes other members write in the FKK threads suggesting I don't fully understand the industry from the workers' experience.
Well, one experience of prostitutes is to be murder victims of insane men. One sadly has just been murdered in Regensburg. As others have pointed out recently, some of us customers are lacking in respect, social skills, and empathy and are frankly weird, and sometimes even dangerous.
RIP unknown (to me) victim.I don't really understand the purpose of your report, just because the words are a bit confusing. Yes in the clubs it is like in the real life there must be a common agreement between two adults after that everything inside that agreement is possible. Why this girl was killed I have no idea, but for sure the things were not clear. In the clubs or outside the clubs I never but never have any problems just because the things are clear, the girls knows where we will meet, name of the hotel time etc. If you give comfort to the people you will be pay back 100 times.
ExpatLover
09-02-17, 20:35
Gay clubs for Sylvester party, but on other days around Christmas or new year, I had very good times. Had to fight with some of my very regulars to make them not work for Christmas, same like for their birthday. What a Christmas or birthday, to be fucked all along.Why are you trying to change the world, let the people do what they want.
Polyamorist
09-04-17, 02:47
Hello,
It is 2017, people are buying online positive reviews for their own products, hotels, whatever. Just trust your own impressions. If I were a WG or a Club Manager I would definitely write something or I would let it do.
It is 2017, Kim Jong is threatening to nuke the world. Just trust your -- wait, what? Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Oh yeah. A bad thing.
Personally I wouldn't have a big problem with WG's writing here on ISG (Greetings, I love you). It is an alternative possibility to get in some subtle interaction between customer and provider.No way, once WGs come on a forum, the guys start flattering them like crazy. There are so many posts I have read (on various forums) that are clearly "aspirational". Nobody can trust anything they read any more.
I have been pondering why not more WG's write here actually. Why am I the only one for instance? (Of course I am joking. Or am I? LOL!
UltraHappy
09-04-17, 23:41
It is 2017, Kim Jong is threatening to nuke the world. Just trust your -- wait, what? Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Oh yeah. A bad thing.
Maybe this is one reason the South Koreans are throwing away so much money in the clubs like there's no tomorrow. Because for them, there's a real possibility of no tomorrow in the near future!
Polyamorist
09-06-17, 10:13
Maybe this is one reason the South Koreans are throwing away so much money in the clubs like there's no tomorrow. Because for them, there's a real possibility of no tomorrow in the near future!Salaam UltraHappy. If the North Koreans were allowed to go to FKKs, they would see little upside to nuclear war.
Now if the FKK system is strangled off in Germany, I predict that the German guys will get super stressed out, and easily led into war. At the moment they are real peaceful. Sex is good for a society.
Will visit Germany next November, FKK top of the list, more than 1 if possible. Direct flights from my country are either to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf. Which of the mentioned cities offers the chance logistically to visit more than 1 FKK? Frankfurt looks like a better option considering there's Oase, Palace and Manhattan. I am into no driving, taxi or let's say 30 min. Train trip will do.
once WGs come on a forum, the guys start flattering them like crazy. There are so many posts I have read (on various forums) that are clearly "aspirational". Nobody can trust anything they read any more.There was a WG who wrote, openly as a WG, on the forum for several years. It worked out fine all round. But the forum was different then.
Sometimes other members write in the FKK threads suggesting I don't fully understand the industry from the workers' experience. Well, one experience of prostitutes is to be murder victims of insane men. One sadly has just been murdered in Regensburg. As others have pointed out recently, some of us customers are lacking in respect, social skills, and empathy and are frankly weird, and sometimes even dangerous. RIP unknown (to me) victim.This is why I am confident there will always, always, always be a place for the club scene as long as it remains legal. All the girls are not going to go indie! For a variety of reasons. Including that the clubs can offer a comfortable, clean, and safe environment for both the girls and us mongers to enjoy each other. I personally much prefer it over dealing with independent escorts. And so will a lot of girls over going indie.
There was a WG who wrote, openly as a WG, on the forum for several years. It worked out fine all round. But the forum was different then.Yeah, I remember her: She was great! I think she worked at World, if I am not mistaken. Yes, times, fora, flora and fauna were different then.
ExpatLover
09-06-17, 20:11
Will visit Germany next November, FKK top of the list, more than 1 if possible. Direct flights from my country are either to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf. Which of the mentioned cities offers the chance logistically to visit more than 1 FKK? Frankfurt looks like a better option considering there's Oase, Palace and Manhattan. I am into no driving, taxi or let's say 30 min. Train trip will do.Recommend you to fly to Frankfurt and to visit Shark as a number 1 priority, after Oase. Palace you can forget, Manhattan not bad but smaller club and the same owner as World and many RLD Frankfurt brothels.
Rogue Nation
09-07-17, 07:21
Including that the clubs can offer a comfortable, clean, and safe environment for both the girls and us mongers to enjoy each other. I personally much prefer it over dealing with independent escorts. And so will a lot of girls over going indie.Plus a place to live for a big portion of the girls.
Plus a place to live for a big portion of the girls.I read something somewhere about the girls eventually not being able to live on premises. If that's true, then it's just more evidence to me of an attempt to make it harder for the girls to work versus "protecting" them. Again, the ones passing these laws never asked the tutes a damn thing about what they want or need.
Polyamorist
09-07-17, 21:38
This is why I am confident there will always, always, always be a place for the club scene as long as it remains legal. All the girls are not going to go indie! For a variety of reasons. Including that the clubs can offer a comfortable, clean, and safe environment for both the girls and us mongers to enjoy each other. I personally much prefer it over dealing with independent escorts. And so will a lot of girls over going indie.
كي دايرة؟, TheCane!
Agreed. Question: what percentage of girls can both (a) provide good sex, and (b) operate effectively as independent businesswomen: keeping appointments, negotiating bureaucracy, hopping from place to place, etc? Maybe 10-20%. Not enough to meet demand. There needs to be a place for the much larger number of girls who can do (a) but not (b). FKKs work for that, even if the German government does everything to make them fail. " نقول طور يقولو احلبوه " Translation: "We say its a bull, they say milk it."
Will visit Germany next November, FKK top of the list, more than 1 if possible. Direct flights from my country are either to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf. Which of the mentioned cities offers the chance logistically to visit more than 1 FKK? Frankfurt looks like a better option considering there's Oase, Palace and Manhattan. I am into no driving, taxi or let's say 30 min. Train trip will do.Oase is not possible to reach via public transit. Will need taxi to get there. The other 2 are able to reach via public transit. I personally did so with Manhattan. Dietzenbach is another one you can hit without taxi or car. Really, you should just use google maps and select the public transit option and it will show you the trains / buses to take and times.
Rogue Nation
09-08-17, 07:22
I read something somewhere about the girls eventually not being able to live on premises. If that's true, then it's just more evidence to me of an attempt to make it harder for the girls to work versus "protecting" them. Again, the ones passing these laws never asked the tutes a damn thing about what they want or need.They are not allowed to sleep in the working rooms. A slight difference. Most clubs do provide separate rooms.
ExpatLover
09-09-17, 09:12
Oase is not possible to reach via public transit. Will need taxi to get there. The other 2 are able to reach via public transit. I personally did so with Manhattan. Dietzenbach is another one you can hit without taxi or car. Really, you should just use google maps and select the public transit option and it will show you the trains / buses to take and times.Of course it is possible I have done it many times just need to walk 45 minutes that is all.
DeanoBrisbane
09-10-17, 06:56
Shit. I should have researched better. I have a forced shutdown at work over Christmas for 2 weeks, so thought might as well. My first time though. So, hopefully it should still be a decent experience. Planning on going to Vienna as well.
Indeed, in general avoid clubs between December 20 and January 15, gay club all over (in Germany at least).
PussyLiccker
09-10-17, 09:34
Anybody try out O2 sim card? I saw it in a shell gas station. The label states LTE, and wondering if it is LTE speed. It was priced for about 10 Euros for 1 GB (plenty for a trip).
I haven't had a chance to try it out as I already had a paid Lebara sim (which had bad coverage and at max HSPA+).
Curious if the O2 sim has better coverage with real LTE.
They are not allowed to sleep in the working rooms. A slight difference. Most clubs do provide separate rooms.Not sure all clubs respect this point of new law, unfortunately. I'm surprised girls don't seem to have problems to sleep all nights where they are fucked. Not fresh smell to sleep, even most smoke.
Anybody try out O2 sim card? I saw it in a shell gas station. The label states LTE, and wondering if it is LTE speed. It was priced for about 10 Euros for 1 GB (plenty for a trip).
I haven't had a chance to try it out as I already had a paid Lebara sim (which had bad coverage and at max HSPA+).
Curious if the O2 sim has better coverage with real LTE.O2 has been crappy for many years in terms of weak coverage. Deutsch Telecom (T-Mobile) and Vodaphone were only decent companies if you want good coverage.
ExpatLover
09-10-17, 15:14
O2 has been crappy for many years in terms of weak coverage. Deutsch Telecom (T-Mobile) and Vodaphone were only decent companies if you want good coverage.T-mobile is even significantly better than Vodafone.
Horny Harry
09-10-17, 17:27
O2 has been crappy for many years in terms of weak coverage. Deutsch Telecom (T-Mobile) and Vodaphone were only decent companies if you want good coverage.Agreed. O2 (I think nowadays it's owned by Telefonica) is shit, avoid!
Kingwenslas
09-10-17, 23:07
Hi Guys. Advice needed please to an experienced mongerer, except I haven't posted here now for several years. This Wednesday 13th I'm planning on going to Acapulco in order to see one of my favourites, but then I need advice on where to go next. It's got to be the NRW area, so I'm thinking Samja, GT, PHG, VV etc. Can someone please just save me loads of time and tell me which club is currently THE place to be? I like tall girls, doubles, and I'm not so keen on Romanians, although there are good ones.
While I'm here, could someone tell me about "The New Law"? Will it be against the law for working girls to give a blowjob without a condom?
Sorry for asking obvious questions, I just don't have the time to read all the info here.
Also, if anyone would like to meet me this Wednesday 13th September in Aca, please pm me. Likewise, if you will be around in NRW the following day (Thurs) please tell me which club and I'll come to you.
Thanks in advance, fellow punters.
MarquisdeSade1
09-10-17, 23:12
There was a WG who wrote, openly as a WG, on the forum for several years. It worked out fine all round. But the forum was different then.Writing as faux monger.
Hi Guys. Advice needed please to an experienced mongerer, except I haven't posted here now for several years. This Wednesday 13th I'm planning on going to Acapulco in order to see one of my favourites, but then I need advice on where to go next. It's got to be the NRW area, so I'm thinking Samja, GT, PHG, VV etc. Can someone please just save me loads of time and tell me which club is currently THE place to be? I like tall girls, doubles, and I'm not so keen on Romanians, although there are good ones.
While I'm here, could someone tell me about "The New Law"? Will it be against the law for working girls to give a blowjob without a condom?
Sorry for asking obvious questions, I just don't have the time to read all the info here.
Also, if anyone would like to meet me this Wednesday 13th September in Aca, please pm me. Likewise, if you will be around in NRW the following day (Thurs) please tell me which club and I'll come to you.
Thanks in advance, fellow punters.If you don't like Romanian girls, don't go to Aca, nor PHG, nor LR, nor Samya, go to GT.
My salute to Mr Bernds to introduce the concept of nudism and nature.
Thanks to ISG forum for getting fruitful information.
Thanks to couple of friends in the forum forgiving me advice via PMs.
Hi guys,
It was my first visit to Germany exclusively for exploring FKKs. From September 3rd to 9th. My home work was to visit at least 4 clubs around Frankfurt and one club in NRW area, As I am a solo traveler my plan was to stay in in different hotels which is near to the saunas. As I am not familiar with left hand drive and my confidence is not sufficient enough to drive in German roads I preferred public transport. So I think my report will be useful to those like me.
First day.
My first two day plan is to explore Sharks. I booked my accommodation in Hotel Contor Darmstadt. I get into the bus from bus stop 14 in terminal 1. I paid 8.5 euro to the driver of the double decker airliner bus to take me to Darmstadt Hbf. I picked a taxi from there to reach hotel for 9 euro. Hotel Contor was just average but big rooms. As I was too late I planned to take rest.
Second day.
11.30 I walked to Sharks using Google map. It is only 5 minutes walk. I am little bit tensed as it is my first Sauna. But the reception at the front desk was very warm and they gave me a brief introduction about everything. Thanks ISG, I am aware of all those descriptions before. The first feeling when I entered into the club was simply AWESOME. Ambiance excellent. Line up was heavy and for me it seems to be a buyers market. New out door area beautiful. Indoor area lovely. They served draft beer of different brands that I didn't experience in any other club I visited. Food breakfast spread was good. Lunch and dinner excellent with dishes changing frequently.
I enjoyed two sessions one early and other later. If you can touch the heart the girl you will get the GFE.
Third day.
I shifted to a hotel near Frankfurt am Main. I went to Oase on my third day. I travelled to Friedrichsdorf via RB train 4.5 euro. Train is available every 20 minutes. Took a taxi to Oase 10 euro. Big club. Lots of rooms. Oase got a big lawn. Line up was moderate. Food okay. Lot of flies in the dining area. Sauna and Jacuzzi is good. Theater is good. Can spent some time in the theatre area where you will get privacy. No draft beer. This place is worth for a visit. Two sessions enjoyed.
Fourth Day.
Visited World.
Took a day pass ticket to Giesen area. 17 euro. You can travel up and down including local transport in Giesen. Step down in Giesen and move to platform 12,130 r 14. From there you get a train to Garbenteich. Which is in Pohlheim. You will enjoy the walk from train station in Garbenteich to Gruinger Weg street through apple trees. You will reach the sauna in 15 minutes walk.
Excellent club. Good line up. Huge outdoor area. Indoor and out door pool. Awesome food. Don't miss this club. I visited this club again in my 6th day.
Fifth day.
I tried Bahama club in Maintal. Small club. Just okay.
7th Day.
Visited Mainhatten. Sister concern of World. Moderate one but the positive part is that it os in offenback. Girls seems to be little pushy. May be because it is in the city.
My plan was to Visit Sauna Babylon and Bernds. I didn't get time.
Kingwenslas
09-11-17, 11:00
Hi Sirioja and thanks for your comment. To be clearer, good Romanians are good, and bad Romanians are bad. It's just that as a generalisation, there are more bad than good, and since I'm only going as one-off I need to de-risk.
Do you know Dorina at Aca, and also Roxana? They are my favourites, but I haven't been there now for the best part of a year, and things change. Do you have any tips for GT? I prefer taller girls.
Any comments / tips gratefully received.
Kingwenslas.
Kingwenslas
09-11-17, 11:01
Oh, and do you have any tips for Aca, in case I'm stranded?
PussyLiccker
09-11-17, 11:05
At the NRW, GT, LR, Aca, Samya. GT has some tall girls. Aca was pretty dead on my visit and smaller clubs seems slow at the begining of Sept after vacation times. Less men attending clubs after vactions likely, and next pay day, probably pickup for the local clientel based clubs. Depends on when you go to Aca, dunno if it will pick it soon.
Rose, De at GT fits your requirement.
Hi Sirioja and thanks for your comment. To be clearer, good Romanians are good, and bad Romanians are bad. It's just that as a generalisation, there are more bad than good, and since I'm only going as one-off I need to de-risk.
Do you know Dorina at Aca, and also Roxana? They are my favourites, but I haven't been there now for the best part of a year, and things change. Do you have any tips for GT? I prefer taller girls.
Any comments / tips gratefully received.
Kingwenslas.I'm a Romanian girls lover, they are my best GF, most are very honest with me, without upselling nor tip asked. I'm a weekly Romanian girls regulars specialist.
I can just say Aca is not on top since Ramadan and new law. Superstar Kate left for GT. I don t know your 2 favs but you can call Aca, they answer about girls working on day.
For non Romanians, GT should be the best. Rose. De is tall model look, more than 1.90 with heels, a real beauty but no more real DFK. Lola, Kiara are also model look.
ExpatLover
09-11-17, 19:01
I'm a Romanian girls lover, they are my best GF, most are very honest with me, without upselling nor tip asked. I'm a weekly Romanian girls regulars specialist.
I can just say Aca is not on top since Ramadan and new law. Superstar Kate left for GT. I don t know your 2 favs but you can call Aca, they answer about girls working on day.
For non Romanians, GT should be the best. Rose. De is tall model look, more than 1.90 with heels, a real beauty but no more real DFK. Lola, Kiara are also model look.80% of the girls in the clubs are Romanian and it is quite good like this, I never would like to come back in 2005/06/07/08 when many german girls were in the clubs and it was just a disaster.
Kingwenslas
09-11-17, 22:48
Hi Sirioja again, could you explain please about this new law? Thanks in advance.
Hi Sirioja again, could you explain please about this new law? Thanks in advance.Since 1 July 2017, in Germany, illegal and prosecuted to ask for BBBJ or AO sex. Aca seem to be quite strict about new law. GT sell condoms to girls for 5 € per day, and say to girls they are free for their way to business.
Girls will have to be registered before 1 January 2018.
Germany stay very enjoyable with my GF, mine are all Romanians.
Hello Gentlemen,
Well if finally happened. After years on the little blue pill, I finally forgot them. I began my trip to Germany and left my Viagra back at the hotel here in the States. I'll be boarding a plane soon, so returning to the hotel or other US options are off the table.
Is Viagra available over the counter in Germany, or do I need a prescription?
I arrive in Frankfurt on the 13th and plan to hit one of the big clubs that afternoon. I have a rental car, so getting around isn't a problem.
If anybody has any ideas, I'd certainly appreciate it. Appreciate it meaning your first girl is on me. I'll be checking my DMs frequently.
And regarding my bona fides, I'm a friend of Jackson and a longtime friend of the board and a former resident of The AP Mansion in Buenos Aires.
Many many thanks in advance!!
Chezz.
UltraHappy
09-12-17, 04:12
Hello Gentlemen,
Well if finally happened. After years on the little blue pill, I finally forgot them. I began my trip to Germany and left my Viagra back at the hotel here in the States. I'll be boarding a plane soon, so returning to the hotel or other US options are off the table.
Is Viagra available over the counter in Germany, or do I need a prescription?
You need a scrip. Make an appointment with a doctor, then go to a pharmacy.
Or hope that one of the members here presently in Germany will take pity on you and help you out. Maybe if you say which club you are going to be at and when, someone here could meet up with you? Otherwise, you'll need to arrange a meeting with a German doctor, followed by a visit to an Apotheke.
FunExplorer
09-12-17, 07:41
Hello Gentlemen,
Well if finally happened. After years on the little blue pill, I finally forgot them. I began my trip to Germany and left my Viagra back at the hotel here in the States. I'll be boarding a plane soon, so returning to the hotel or other US options are off the table.
Is Viagra available over the counter in Germany, or do I need a prescription?
I arrive in Frankfurt on the 13th and plan to hit one of the big clubs that afternoon. I have a rental car, so getting around isn't a problem.
If anybody has any ideas, I'd certainly appreciate it. Appreciate it meaning your first girl is on me. I'll be checking my DMs frequently.
And regarding my bona fides, I'm a friend of Jackson and a longtime friend of the board and a former resident of The AP Mansion in Buenos Aires.
Many many thanks in advance!!
Chezz.You can check Forum: Viagra & other Performance Enhancers for help.
ExpatLover
09-12-17, 07:55
Hello Gentlemen,
Well if finally happened. After years on the little blue pill, I finally forgot them. I began my trip to Germany and left my Viagra back at the hotel here in the States. I'll be boarding a plane soon, so returning to the hotel or other US options are off the table.
Is Viagra available over the counter in Germany, or do I need a prescription?
I arrive in Frankfurt on the 13th and plan to hit one of the big clubs that afternoon. I have a rental car, so getting around isn't a problem.
If anybody has any ideas, I'd certainly appreciate it. Appreciate it meaning your first girl is on me. I'll be checking my DMs frequently.
And regarding my bona fides, I'm a friend of Jackson and a longtime friend of the board and a former resident of The AP Mansion in Buenos Aires.
Many many thanks in advance!!
Chezz.Need to visit a doctor and will be quite expensive, the blue pill is not a solution it is better to understand why you need it, low libido, high BP, etc. Too many man are taking it as a regular basis which is a clear non sense.
Neurosynth
09-13-17, 18:51
Since 1 July 2017, in Germany, illegal and prosecuted to ask for BBBJ or AO sex. Aca seem to be quite strict about new law. GT sell condoms to girls for 5 per day, and say to girls they are free for their way to business.
Girls will have to be registered before 1 January 2018.
Germany stay very enjoyable with my GF, mine are all Romanians.BBBJ and AO sex is banned by law, I'm not sure that *asking* for it is.
But the letter of the law is less important than the facts on the ground. For the most part services available in the past are still available now. You just won't find them in public areas nearly as much. But behind closed doors many places are the same as ever.
Besides, this law is virtually unenforcible. The law only applies to the man, and the girl can't be fined, so she has no incentive to serve as a witness. Quite the opposite actually, because the club owners don't want problems or complications. And if the girl isn't a witness how in the world will the police even know what is happening let alone have what it takes to prove guilt?
Member #4674
09-13-17, 23:50
Want to know if it is possible to buy cialis without prescription in pharmacy in Germany? I think the possibility is very low in such strict country.
ElephantBeer
09-14-17, 00:58
Love the FKK, laying by the pool and checking out the girls. This trip (mostly business) will have my BI girlfriend (Thai) in tow.
Just wondered if any of the FKK allow a GF to come in and lay around the pool as well? Or if it's guys only. Will she play? Not sure. Sometimes does. More. Just something novel for her to see.
If not, no probs. She can sit in hotel with Facebook while I 'work'.
UltraHappy
09-14-17, 04:51
Love the FKK, laying by the pool and checking out the girls. This trip (mostly business) will have my BI girlfriend (Thai) in tow.
Just wondered if any of the FKK allow a GF to come in and lay around the pool as well? Or if it's guys only. Will she play? Not sure. Sometimes does. More. Just something novel for her to see.
If not, no probs. She can sit in hotel with Facebook while I 'work'.Sharks no longer allows female guests.
Oase and Mainhattan still allow female guests.
World allowed me to bring a female guest a long time ago, but I haven't checked their current policy on this in some time. Better you call them to verify current rules if you are considering.
Many clubs in NRW do not allow female guests.
FKK-Rom will allow female guests as long as your guest is not a "known-working girl" (that is, recognized by others in the club as a working girl). But, be warned this club is rather small and probably not worth your time.
If you are considering bringing a female guest somewhere in Hessen, I would recommend Oase above all. You can even go to the room with just your female guest without needing to bring an Oase girl to accompany you. Sometimes the personnel handing out keys doesn't understand this. If that happens, a quick educational enlightenment from Reception rectifies this.
UltraHappy
09-14-17, 04:51
Want to know if it is possible to buy cialis without prescription in pharmacy in Germany? I think the possibility is very low in such strict country.No, not possible. Need scrip.
ExpatLover
09-14-17, 06:48
Love the FKK, laying by the pool and checking out the girls. This trip (mostly business) will have my BI girlfriend (Thai) in tow.
Just wondered if any of the FKK allow a GF to come in and lay around the pool as well? Or if it's guys only. Will she play? Not sure. Sometimes does. More. Just something novel for her to see.
If not, no probs. She can sit in hotel with Facebook while I 'work'.All the clubs have to accept woman it is a legal point, very easy in Shark, World, Oase.
Success. I had a senior member of the board reach out to me and now I have enough to last me through the weekend. I'll then be traveling to a country that sells it OTC.
Thanks again to my new friend, whom, I'm sure, wishes to stay anonymous.
Cheers!
You need a scrip. Make an appointment with a doctor, then go to a pharmacy.
Or hope that one of the members here presently in Germany will take pity on you and help you out. Maybe if you say which club you are going to be at and when, someone here could meet up with you? Otherwise, you'll need to arrange a meeting with a German doctor, followed by a visit to an Apotheke.
Love the FKK, laying by the pool and checking out the girls. This trip (mostly business) will have my BI girlfriend (Thai) in tow.
Just wondered if any of the FKK allow a GF to come in and lay around the pool as well? Or if it's guys only. Will she play? Not sure. Sometimes does. More. Just something novel for her to see.
If not, no probs. She can sit in hotel with Facebook while I 'work'.World on North Frankfurt allow GF. Outside and inside swimming pool. One of the most beautiful club, with Harmony Seevetal. Good place to relax, entry 47 before 1 pm. Unfortunately, casting is not on top anymore. You can fuck your GF in closed shower downstairs.
BigBuddy69
09-14-17, 12:19
In summer 2016 I saw a real couple in World.
TankTank123
09-14-17, 13:05
In summer 2016 I saw a real couple in World.Last summer, at the reception counter at World, a couple asked me to join them so as to get the 3 for 2 offer, right in front of the receptionist who did not object! So, if you are going there with your GF, try to grab hold of a single guy on your way in, but maybe at the driveway out of sight of the receptionist in case it is a different one who might be more strict on duty.
I saw a couple there earlier this year too, so I believe it is still allowed.
I will in Hamburg next Wednesday to Friday and hope to visit Babylon, Harmony and Atmos. I have never been to those clubs so I have no idea how lineups in each of them are during certain day of the week. Those who visited those clubs have any suggestions to visit which club on which day of the week?
PussyLiccker
09-14-17, 16:58
I visited during the weekend so can't provide regarding LU differences. I will say though visit Harmony earlier on and Bab gets going at night.
Harmony was pretty dead when I visited late night even on a weekend.
By 8pm at Bab should get the LU going, but do not know the transition of LU at Atmos.
I assume Harmony would be the best option for service, and then Atmos, with Bab being most costly per offerings by girls for fuller services. Assuming least upsells at Harmony.
Semi upsells at Atmos with Bab full.
Bab has the most diversity of LU with Atmos more Ro, and Harmony would probably be mainly Ro.
Not only Romanians at Harmony Seevetal. Russians, Kazakh, Polish, German so pretty face Bambi.
Superstar is Nicole. Ro.
Entry 50 , can pay with credit card. 60/30 mn with girls, only cash.
Beautiful quiet small club above little river.
Want to know if it is possible to buy cialis without prescription in pharmacy in Germany? I think the possibility is very low in such strict country.Go to run 15 kms in 1 hour, I already did when I was only 13 yo, then 15 mn in hot jacuzzi to relax muscles and you will be a sex terminator without pills. Kenyans and Ethiopians are able to run faster than 20 kms per hour when running marathon, they are just real supermen, like when bicycle climbing Zoncolan with more than 25% climbing parts, Andliru or Mortirolo.
ExpatLover
09-14-17, 19:39
I will in Hamburg next Wednesday to Friday and hope to visit Babylon, Harmony and Atmos. I have never been to those clubs so I have no idea how lineups in each of them are during certain day of the week. Those who visited those clubs have any suggestions to visit which club on which day of the week?If I listen to the German forums be ready to be disappointed.
What's the BBBJ situation?
What's the BBBJ situation?Still illegal since law. Close the room door with your girl.
UltraHappy
09-15-17, 02:09
What's the BBBJ situation?It's too bad that there's no FAQ that we can refer people to for these frequently asked questions. Oh wait, there is.
Here it is: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2601-FKK-FAQ (although you could probably refer to several other threads as well as this topic has been endlessly and frequently discussed in these forums).
like when bicycle climbing Zoncolan with more than 25% climbing parts, Andliru or Mortirolo.I see it is good unless doing drugs like Pantani. You know I asked some otalians anout Zoncolan, and Pantani was the first thing they could think of. Not sure if that is a good or bad thing. I want my mojo free of drugs when I am in the zone.
I visited during the weekend so can't provide regarding LU differences. I will say though visit Harmony earlier on and Bab gets going at night.
Harmony was pretty dead when I visited late night even on a weekend.
By 8pm at Bab should get the LU going, but do not know the transition of LU at Atmos.
I assume Harmony would be the best option for service, and then Atmos, with Bab being most costly per offerings by girls for fuller services. Assuming least upsells at Harmony.
Semi upsells at Atmos with Bab full.
Bab has the most diversity of LU with Atmos more Ro, and Harmony would probably be mainly Ro.
Not only Romanians at Harmony Seevetal. Russians, Kazakh, Polish, German so pretty face Bambi.
Superstar is Nicole. Ro.
Entry 50 , can pay with credit card. 60/30 mn with girls, only cash.
Beautiful quiet small club above little river.Thanks for your quick response PL & Sirioja.
PL, You have hit lot of points I would have liked to know before visiting those clubs. It is good to know Harmony is a daytime club and Barb is night time. I can hit Barb at night if Harmony's lineup is disappointing.
It is going to be interesting experience to negotiate prices for services that were part of standard session in many of the clubs in other parts of Germany and Swiss.
Go to run 15 kms in 1 hour, I already did when I was only 13 yo, then 15 mn in hot jacuzzi to relax muscles and you will be a sex terminator without pills..
Well that's just not true. Lol.
PussyLiccker
09-15-17, 10:32
For a 13 yr old horny French teenager, probably true. :D
PussyLiccker
09-15-17, 11:02
Lalabo, if you go to a tourist club with mangement that tells you straight up what is their standard and extras are, you are pretty much guaranteed to run into a different standard of pricing. If you are looking for package deals involving big sums of cash, there's rooms for negotiations, but I bet the extras girls charge in general are pretty consistant(in the case of Bab and Atmos). If you read their threads on the service pricing, there shouldn't be surprises in their standards.
Globe maybe high consistancy, but if you compare just numbers of pricing of what are included with extras tacked, not really better at Globe(ruling out optics of the girls though, how you see if pricing is worth it is based on your taste). Maybe more assuring of expectations in what is included for the higher pricing. I will say with Globe's standards there's the less liklihood of less than their standard though, but that comes at a higher cost. There's more of a leeway for girls(and chances of running into those types greater of course) not doing the extra services with their standards at Bab for example.
It's too bad that there's no FAQ that we can refer people to for these frequently asked questions. Oh wait, there is.
Here it is: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2601-FKK-FAQ (although you could probably refer to several other threads as well as this topic has been endlessly and frequently discussed in these forums).Grumpy old man! Go tell at a cloud!!
Wife and I just got back from NRW where we stopped by Oceans and Goldentime. Quick impressions of both places from a foreigner with bi wife's perspective.
Oceans. Friday 8 P-12 A. Special offers not valid for non-Germans, so stuck paying full admission with food, cash only. The largest size of their comfy robe doesn't fit that great for a 195 cm tall guy. Relatively quiet all night, plenty of gals though, the layout makes it easy to find space. We didn't get a chance to try one of the Brazilian ladies and a few didn't do couples, but there were plenty that would. None would perform oral on my wife, and the CBJ rule was being followed as well.
Ada. Blonde Croatian. Wife was into finding a Scandinavian looking lady and Ada fit the bill. Went back for an enjoyable threesome (100 E).
Bianca and Georgia. Blonde and Brunette Romanian. I was smitten with Georgia (tall, athletic) and my wife with Bianca (short, busty) since we walked in but had some trouble negotiating. They wanted 400 E total for a 1 hour foursome which was excessive for what would have been our first session of a very full weekend. Once we had Ada and about 45 minutes left till we needed to leave we agreed on a 150 E total session where I would play with Georgia and wife would play with Bianca. Had an amazing time, they were really amused by how much fun my wife was having and we spent the last 10 minutes just chatting.
GoldenTime. Saturday 1 PM-10 PM. Really nice reception, getting us comfortable and having a lady show us around. Absolutely jam packed bar even at one, that was probably our main complaint. Talent seemed comparable to Oceans which I thought was odd. Definitely seemed like more of a theme park than a club. CBJ rule was not being followed or even mentioned.
Larissa. Redhead Romanian. Really cute pale skinned gal helping us round out finding girls with different hair. A good time.
Janet. French Cameroonian. While laying in the kino with the wife Janet walks around and hops on my wife. Wife had been talking about grabbing one of the African girls all day and reciprocated the affection. Janet jumped up laughing when she didn't find a dick (It was dark, wife has short hair). She was down to play when offered and they ended up giving a nice show on the beds in the back. I wasn't involved until then end where I got called over to finish the wife off.
Jenny. Brunette German. Shortly after Janet I was on the prowl to have a session while the wife watched, found Jenny. Minimal English, and a bit confused about the request. Should have pulled the plug there, but went back anyways. Overall uncomfortable session, she wasn't really into it. Ended up having the wife join in and helping.
Vanessa. Blonde Lithuanian. Snagged Vanessa before we left, great decision. Fun girl for a finale threesome, tanned skin covered in that lovely blonde peach fuzz.
Overall I see good and bad things about each place, can't even say which I would go to if I only had one visit. Probably Oceans at night if it were just a few hours, Goldentime if we had all day because the facilities are better.
Tnttwo: you could alternatively learn a few German phrases, and get in on the Oceans offers. Also, I all the girls you met were romanian, LOL. And thirdly, YMMV with some of what you said.
I see it is good unless doing drugs like Pantani. You know I asked some otalians anout Zoncolan, and Pantani was the first thing they could think of. Not sure if that is a good or bad thing. I want my mojo free of drugs when I am in the zone.Marco Pantani was a idol for Italians, but not sure he ever climbed Monte Zoncolan on Ovaro side in Giro of Italia. Now racers ask for no more Zoncolan in Giro, Mortirolo from Mazzo is difficult enough. Most difficult climbings don t make anymore big time differences between racers because it s too difficult for them.
As we say in this sport, only who don t take products are those who are not caught. Lance Armstrong was the perfect example for years.
On August, I was in same hotel on top of Passo Stelvio than a Italian professional racer who finished with Cannondale to go to Bora with Peter Sagan, he finished 10th on last Giro, he never climbed Zoncolan, only Mortirolo, he was said by hotel boss, there was a Zoncolan "specialist" in hotel. A professional racer came to ask me about mythic Zoncolan, if I use 34/32, no I climb with 34/36 when more than 25% climbing. He asked me my climbing time and also to climb Mortirolo. Of course they are faster, but I explained him I can compete with electric bicycles in Zoncolan because they have to save battery. Funny, how he looked at me. As said a football specialist journalist, super climbings like Zoncolan or Andliru are not for humans. For racers, it s their job, for me it s passion, like when jumping for free riding between rocks or iceholes, sometimes without knowing what may happen, but ready for passion.
I would not drive to Wellcum or Andiamo, but as long I will be able to climb it, most often nobody else climbing, only motos who understand what it is, because if they stop to climb, they fall, I will go to play with this wonderful hell. Hell is for devils.
Recent Frankfurt tour.
(Reposting it in this forum for the benefit of all, as someone suggested in Frankfurt Forum, where I had posted the FR originally, that it gets lesser attention and I should post it on FKK forum too.).
Had a recent Frankfurt trip, Before I forget, I thought of penning down the things before it gets faded from the brain.
It was a 5 night,6 day trip to Frankfurt. Did lot of research online ans RTFF this forum. Thanks to the forum and senior colleagues for lot of helpful information.
1st Night: Reached FRA Airport at 7 pm, went to the train station Airport and got the ticket from the ticketing machine to FRA main bahnofsviertel and got the train to FRA hbf. Checked in the nearby hotel, whicj I had booked online (Easy Hotel). It was a nice hotel with all good basic facilities, neat and clean. Had a shower changed and the plan tonight was OASE. Again catched the train to Friedrichsdorf Bahnof, from there got a cab to OASE. The taxi drivers are super friendly when destination is OASE, as I think they get some commission for bringing customers here, as I saw him queuing up in the club. Anyway the entrance was impressive, after paying 7 E entry got the towel, bathrobe, went to locker room, had shower and went inside. My first FKK experience. Was amazed at the things, the beautiful naked women all around. Had few drinks, some snacks from the restaurant, and lied in the lounge. Had two nice sessions there one with an Italian lady (do not remember name was ok in the room, wanted to complete in the room quickly and leave) and one with a Romanian lady (was better). Food was good, Rooms were good (mirrored). Left at 4:30 am. Taxi from Oase to Friedrichsdorf Bahnof. And catched the train to FRA main Bahnof. (Starts at 5 am) (Note travelling by train the RMV app was immensely helpful in planning, and ticket information).
2nd Day / Night: Woke up at 12 Noon and went off exploring at 1 pm had an Indian lunch at a nearby Indian Restaurant-Indigo, then had a round of the famous RLD, to feel the experience. Went up and down all the floors of those 4-5 buildings, was quite excited, but did not venture in as I was planned for Sharks today. So got the train from FRA (main) Hbf to Darmstadt Nord, and after getting down (at 5 pm) , switched on the google maps and went for a small walk, within 10-15 minutes walk Sharks was there. Entered, same formalities here. Ambience was good. There was warm water Jacuzzi on the 1st floor after climbing few steps. Had again 2 good sessions there (One from Italy and one from Spain). All 50 E,as I don't know what do do for 1 hour and they give you only 1 shot as a rule so 50 E seems Value for money. Although few girls try to upsell to 100 E for the same or little betters ervice but as a rule BJ and FS all positions are included in 30 minutes. 50 E sessions. Left the place at 9:30 pm, walked down again to the train station and a train back to FRA hbf.
After coming back went to RLD, visited few places and selected a sweet Polish Girl named "Natalia"in Haus 43 1st floor. Had a nice good session for 20 minutes. In 25 E (gave her 5 E tip for her real sweet nature and good service) Totally value for money-I think there are gems and the RLD is underrated, while FKKs overrated. Visited the surroundings-Dr Mueller shop. Also visited the Table dance venue-Pure Platinum: It was a unique experience in itself. Some some 10 E entry (exactly don't remember the figure), inside had two drinks 40 E, gone for a private lap dance 35 E,in a private room. Girls were cooperative. Good sexy beautiful Romanian girls, get completely naked in the room and one can touch them while they do the erotic lap dance. Had to have the experience, one won't get in either RLD hauses or the FKKs.
3rd Evening: Went in the day timefor a Hop off hop in Bus tour Frankfurt city to have some pics to show back home What I did in Frankfurt travelling more than 6 k kms away! Evening dedicated to World-FKK. Got a train from FRA main to Giessen and a connecting train to Garbenteich. From there again Google map and a short walk. Ambience was good. Food was good, Girls were ok. The spider web concept in the interiors. Had 2 good sessions again one with a Romanian girl "Gabriela" and the other Romanian too don't remember the name. Nothing so special- the standard suck and fuck for 50 E /30 minutes till you last, which ever is earlier. Had a massage to in the basement massage area 30 E /30 minutes. Left the place walk-train (Garbenteich to Giessen) Train Giessen to FRA Main Hbf.
4th Day / Night: Woke up at 12 noon, after getting ready, got the train to Dietzenbach for the Aldi FKK. Wanted to experience that too. Again a direct train from FRA main to Dietzenbach. Google maps and a small walk. Liked the place and its is affordable. Large lounge with multiple TVs playing porn, dim lit, basic snacks and soft drinks. Entry only 40 E, and sessions 30 min /30 E. Had a nice session with a Bulgarian 20 why cutie. Girls were less in numbers may be around 10-12. Left early as went there to have an experience. Options of girls are less, food is basic. But I could see public action only at this place and not in any of the FKKs. They start BJ there itself on the sofa and I saw two full Fuck sessions there in the public. It was a nice and different experience. For me too the girl started BJ there only then we moved to the room. Walked back to Bahnof and train to FRA.
Night: Palace FKK: Train from FRA main (change at Bor. Warte) -Ubahn-to industriehof --Nice place good food, Girls and customers both were less although. Few upscaling girls. One said to me "I am not a 50 E girl"Name: Salma. Another one tried to upsell me saying lip to lip kiss will also cost me 50 E extra. I dumped all these and went with 2 Romanian beautiesLori and Anya, 2 std. Sessions. Both were performing good.
5th Day / Night: Day time: Went to Paushalclub Treff 188 at Eschborn. Train to Eschborn Sud from Fra Main, then a small walk. Took the 5 hours ticket 95 E entry. It was a small place not airconditioned. 2 heaters were there. Place was quite cold. Food was average. Girls were below average. About 6 girls were there, 2 young, 3 middle aged and 2-3 old ones. Customers were around 15. Anyway had to take a dip. Took 2 of the young ones one by one (1 Romanian and 1 from Dominicana), standard service-suck and fuck. Those looking for quantity over quality should go for this venue. If you can fuck 6 girls with a single entry without considering the quality it is the place for you, otherwise not recommended..Hi there,
You mentioned you learnt to enjoy sex with many girls without ejaculating.
Can you share the details how do you do that?
I cannot stay longer than 5 to 10 minutes.
Thanks.
Hi there,
You mentioned you learnt to enjoy sex with many girls without ejaculating.
Can you share the details how do you do that?
I cannot stay longer than 5 to 10 minutes.
Thanks.Control your brain and muscles belly if you have. It s your brain which send information to make You cum. If You know your mind and body well, then You should be able to control, not to cum like a rabbit. I can be BBBJ for 1 hour, without cumming, if I don t want to pay extra for CIM, so when You are nearly to cum, so good to have your dick full of blood, then You block your belly and You can enjoy girl working on You all night, staying nearly to cum but not finishing. Same for fucking, controlling belly to stay hard for hours, unfortunately most of girls can t resist to rhythm and size for more than 20/30 mn, they are exhausted with red skin on face and crying make up.
Most difficult is when you fuck a girl and she kisses you, looking you in the eyes, like did Alice / Katalina / Kate for our first room, so I didn't have time to control my mind, and had to ask her to extend for a second round when I performed better, meaning for longer time.
Pills like viagra also block rabbit fuckings, but not good for heart.
MythoVirus
09-22-17, 07:28
I'm going to Amsterdam tomorrow with a friend, I think it will never please me in regard to sex brothels, and I hate the RLD, so I'm planning to have one day off to Germany by train.
I have the whole day for one FKK club, I'll probably stay for 10 hours++.
My location will be either Dusseldorf or Cologne.
Can anyone recommend the best FKK in either of regions, it preferably should be a big FKK (anything like Oase / World / Sharks / palace is cool) with 50+ girls as I will have a long stay, also Pre-July basic service is a must.
Also is Goldentime still ethnic exclusive? If I had the choice I would go to GL but if they don't accept all ethnicity then they will not permit me for sure.
Having a Shisha is a great plus but not a deal breaker otherwise.
Full nude is preferred over non-nude FKK.
Sex in public is a plus.
Any information is highly appreciated.
NelsonWells
09-22-17, 08:39
Want to know if it is possible to buy cialis without prescription in pharmacy in Germany? I think the possibility is very low in such strict country.Hi dude,
I was living in Germany for a few months due to work and I couldn't get cialis at any pharmacy without a prescription. Apparently, it is mandatory there, though you can always inquire at the clubs, just in case they know about a place where it is sold.
Shivaswamy
09-22-17, 17:29
Anal Sex has been on my bucket list for a very long time. I want to desperately check it off. I have been to Bernd's, Samya and Living Room but never popped the question. It would be great if you gentlemen can recommend me the best FKKs in NRW for an anal sex beginner. It would be very kind of you gentlemen to give me a couple of tips as to how to ask a girl for anal while negotiating the deed. Any anal experiences are most welcome.
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