View Full Version : General Info
Vito Corleone
09-23-17, 03:37
Anal Sex has been on my bucket list for a very long time. I want to desperately check it off. I have been to Bernd's, Samya and Living Room but never popped the question. It would be great if you gentlemen can recommend me the best FKKs in NRW for an anal sex beginner. It would be very kind of you gentlemen to give me a couple of tips as to how to ask a girl for anal while negotiating the deed. Any anal experiences are most welcome.At LR, Manuela & Emily are great anal providers!
Has any of Bundesland (federal states of Germany) started enforcing the new law? From reading here some of FKK clubs are enforcing it, but it seems hit and miss.
I'm going to Amsterdam tomorrow with a friend, I think it will never please me in regard to sex brothels, and I hate the RLD, so I'm planning to have one day off to Germany by train.
I have the whole day for one FKK club, I'll probably stay for 10 hours++.
My location will be either Dusseldorf or Cologne.
Can anyone recommend the best FKK in either of regions, it preferably should be a big FKK (anything like Oase / World / Sharks / palace is cool) with 50+ girls as I will have a long stay, also Pre-July basic service is a must.
Also is Goldentime still ethnic exclusive? If I had the choice I would go to GL but if they don't accept all ethnicity then they will not permit me for sure.
Having a Shisha is a great plus but not a deal breaker otherwise.
Full nude is preferred over non-nude FKK.
Sex in public is a plus.
Any information is highly appreciated.Not full naked, full naked are only small Bab and Bernds, but YY on border at Roermond NL don t work with the law. Public sex in kino downstairs.
At GT, always full naked Anabele sometimes performs public sex on couch.
Smoke Light
09-23-17, 14:47
At LR, Manuela & Emily are great anal providers!Also Amira LR.
ExpatLover
09-23-17, 17:57
Anal Sex has been on my bucket list for a very long time. I want to desperately check it off. I have been to Bernd's, Samya and Living Room but never popped the question. It would be great if you gentlemen can recommend me the best FKKs in NRW for an anal sex beginner. It would be very kind of you gentlemen to give me a couple of tips as to how to ask a girl for anal while negotiating the deed. Any anal experiences are most welcome.Strange question, many girls are providing anal, you don't need to ask they will propose to you just to earn more except you are too big or they don t feel well with you because of your behavior, aggressivity, etc. Be also prepare that it will probably not be like in the porn movie you could face some smell, or even worse, good luck.
Anal Sex has been on my bucket list for a very long time. I want to desperately check it off. I have been to Bernd's, Samya and Living Room but never popped the question. It would be great if you gentlemen can recommend me the best FKKs in NRW for an anal sex beginner. It would be very kind of you gentlemen to give me a couple of tips as to how to ask a girl for anal while negotiating the deed. Any anal experiences are most welcome.You can try Babylon, service on par with Bernds (so much higher than in Samya and LR) and many offer A-level there. See here: https://www.saunaclub-babylon.com/sa...e/analverkehr/..
Yesterday 12 of these girls were present, so enough choice. Cost +50 euro (so Euro 100 in total for half hour of 150 euro for one hour).
Rogue Nation
09-24-17, 10:11
but YY on border at Roermond NL don t work with the law. Public sex in kino downstairs.The law is German. YY is in NL. So BBBJ is not illegal.
Anal Sex has been on my bucket list for a very long time. I want to desperately check it off. I have been to Bernd's, Samya and Living Room but never popped the question. It would be great if you gentlemen can recommend me the best FKKs in NRW for an anal sex beginner. It would be very kind of you gentlemen to give me a couple of tips as to how to ask a girl for anal while negotiating the deed. Any anal experiences are most welcome.I enjoyed anal at Golden Time quite some time ago. All you have to do is start by letting the girl know that you like anal. If she doesn't do it, then at that point she will probably tell you so. If she doesn't immediately object, then after you've told her that you like anal, just ask her if she provides that service. If she says yes, then "you're in" so to speak LOL! Believe it or not, there are some girls who actually like anal. And if she says no, then it comes down to how much you want anal. If you really need to have it, then time to move on. But, if you still want to session with her anyway, then go ahead.
One thing to look out for as a newbie is those girls who play the "maybe" game. They'll say "maybe" just to get you to commit to a session, with no intention on their part of carrying through. Then when you get into the room, they come up with all kinds of excuses for why the "maybe" has become "no". Get the girl to commit before you go to the room. And if she reneges, then you get up and walk out. Pay her for whatever services she provided, but be sure not to pay anything extra, including absolutely no tipping for anything else she may have done. Do not reward bad tute behavior!
You can try Babylon, service on par with Bernds (so much higher than in Samya and LR) and many offer A-level there. See here: https://www.saunaclub-babylon.com/sa...e/analverkehr/..
Yesterday 12 of these girls were present, so enough choice. Cost +50 euro (so Euro 100 in total for half hour of 150 euro for one hour).How can Bernds and Bab Elsdorf be higher level for girls? With girls who are less pretty than girls You see at each corner in the streets, except for a very few fuckable at Bab, so, of course they have to propose extended services like CIM, anal, AO, to get business, when really top girls, 1 Romanian at LR, don t need to provide for extra, to make 1000 a day with less than 5 clients.
At Samya, at least You can have pretty Russian Katea who is ready for anything, pretty sure for anal, for the love of money.
Not sure for Amira. Ro at LR, but pretty sure Daria. Ro would be able for anal.
Anybody try out O2 sim card? I saw it in a shell gas station. The label states LTE, and wondering if it is LTE speed. It was priced for about 10 Euros for 1 GB (plenty for a trip).
I haven't had a chance to try it out as I already had a paid Lebara sim (which had bad coverage and at max HSPA+).
Curious if the O2 sim has better coverage with real LTE.I have tried Vodafone SIM in the past but didn't have much success. This time I tried Lebara (includes 3 GB data. They claim it is supposed to be high speed) in Hamburg, Monchengladbach and at GT without issues. Decent Speed, ok for normal email, browsing king of things. For me it is much better than trying to use unreliable WIFI in clubs.
I too would like to know if anyone used other SIMs providing higher speed.
PussyLiccker
09-24-17, 15:51
Deutsche Telekom(T-mobile) is the best one (never tried Vodapfone), but data is pricy. You want cheap data or good data? It's your pick. I've tried Lebara in a lot of places around Hessen and NRW. It works fine in congested areas, but coverage is lousy in many places. Cheap data though.
PussyLiccker
09-24-17, 17:39
I have tried Vodafone SIM in the past but didn't have much success. This time I tried Lebara (includes 3 GB data. They claim it is supposed to be high speed) in Hamburg, Monchengladbach and at GT without issues. Decent Speed, ok for normal email, browsing king of things. For me it is much better than trying to use unreliable WIFI in clubs.
I too would like to know if anyone used other SIMs providing higher speed.What I like about Lebara is that you can top-up on the German website (translated in English). No need to look for a shop to get a top-up card. The credit expires within a month, but can be re-upped with additional data (like 3 GB for 15 Euros) later on, and from the website.
I've tried Lidle sim as well, and the coverage with these discount sims is pretty much the same I think. Limited.
I always have issue with Lebara at middle of nowhere GT. Speed barely usable. When the weather is overcast, forget about it.
GT recently had terrible wifi(#3 used to work fine, but that wasn't the case), Aca(outside works, but has been terrible for me), LR(very good, they have contracted a local company), Oase(good by the restraunt area), YY(this club actually has great resting area upstairs that the wifi works really well as in the locker room and plays F1 on the screen), SixSens(the sunroom type area).
Banana Boi
09-24-17, 18:36
Where do I pick up the Lebara SIM card? I see on the site they can mail one to me but that is not an option for me.
The law is German. YY is in NL. So BBBJ is not illegal.That's why I advice YY to those who can't have sex without BBBJ, or who think they are not able to get girls willing to please them, without even needing to ask.
Where do I pick up the Lebara SIM card? I see on the site they can mail one to me but that is not an option for me.I picked the it up at one of the REWE stores. SIM activation requires your identity verification which can be done online by creating some kind of WebId. I didn't want to setup any WebId, so instead I went to nearby Lebara authorized agent (they charged 3 Euro) showed my passport and got the SIM activated.
I have used Ortel (o2?) and worked pretty well for me in Frankfurt area. Around GT is very spotty. Aca and Lr area is fine for that. Do you guys know where I can top up Ortel or buy a new sim near Dusseldorf HBF or airport?
ExpatLover
09-24-17, 19:35
Where do I pick up the Lebara SIM card? I see on the site they can mail one to me but that is not an option for me.Sorry but how many report you have already done, and you still need to learn how to activate a SIM card in Germany. Answer: in any german cities close to the railway station you will find numerous of shops that will sell you already registered SIM cards.
PussyLiccker
09-24-17, 20:25
The airport, Real, and Shell gas stations as well.
It's quite easy to activate even if you don't speak German, there is a phone number provided in the kit that works without the sim activated with the sim inserted in the phone. Option to connect with an English speaking representative to activate the sim. You can also re-up on certain gas stations if you pay the cashier, you get a code to add funds on the phone.
MarquisdeSade1
09-24-17, 23:27
AFD keeps hope alive for the future of Deutschland and the German people! I will buy drinks to celebrate at Sharks Friday night!
KC Questor
09-24-17, 23:27
I recently returned from a week-long visit to Germany. I considered writing reports in the various different forums, but this trip was all about variety and I went to so many different places that I decided it would be easier to just write up one report and post it here.
Monday - Arrived at Tegel from Copenhagen and got to my hotel around 3:00. By 4:00 I was at Artemis for my first visit to an FKK. As expected I was blown away by the number of women as well as the amenities. Lots of the ladies were sporting big fake tits, as I was warned. However there were so many that there was no problem finding plenty with nice, natural tits. The variety was phenomenal, although there is a standard "type" that is not really my favorite. Tall, thin brunettes are really common. I was looking for short, chubby (not fat, but curvy -- I can't stand seeing a woman's ribs or hip bones) blondes. When I found one, I made my first noob mistake. I chatted her up and she told me all of the nice things that she was willing to do. I thought we had a good rapport, so headed to the room. As soon as we got there she asked for 150 for 30 minutes. Huh? She explained that all of those things I wanted were extras. Dammit, I knew that I was supposed to negotiate a price before committing. I was mad at myself, so I said no, I just wanted the standard 50 service. I got a lackluster covered BJ and boring sex. Paid her and decided that I was going to be smarter in the future. Ended up going with two other girls while there -- both of them agreed to BBBJ included in the base rate. Headed back to the hotel around 11:00.
Tuesday - Spent the morning sightseeing and headed to Anni Porsche around 2:00. Paid my 88 entry, got my towel and took a shower and headed into the main room. Found a small arab girl fucking a guy on a huge platform with two queen-sized mattresses. Another guy was laying on the mattress on the other side of the platform. As it is a "gangbang club" I was expecting more action with multiple people, but in all my time there I only ever saw girls with one guy at a time. Occasionally a guy would be running her pussy or tits while the girl was blowing a guy, but there was no DP or other MFM action at all. There were two girls there when I arrived, and about six guys. The procedure seemed to be that a guy would lay down in an open spot on the bed, and a girl would eventually start servicing him. Once done she'd either move to another guy or take a break and grab a shower. Hopefully another girl would then start working. There weren't many times when both girls were working. Besides the small arab girl, the other one was a tall, dark-haired girl with some curves -- she reminded me quite a bit of gal Godot from the new Wonder Woman movie. Definitely my type, and I managed to get her attention and get a BBBJ and CFS from her. She told me that some guys ask for condoms for BJ, but most of it is BBBJ. FS is all covered. Eventually a third girl did arrive. I left for a while but returned around 8:00. There was an older German woman with big fake tits and lots of tattoos. She came up to me while I was sitting in the dining area and started blowing me in my chair. Then she led me to a massage table where she continued the BJ before slipping on a condom and having me fuck her standing from behind. Good time.
Wednesday - More sightseeing. My plan was to go to Calugula or King George. At Anni Porsche on Tuesday I met an English monger who said that the girls there were ugly and awful, and the service was what you'd expect at an all-inclusive place. I still wanted to try one of them, but while I was near Anni Porsche I found a kino named Club 44, so decided to go there first. Paid the 5 entry and bought a 3 bottle of water and settled in to watch a movie. The seats were like church pews, very hard and uncomfortable. So much for my fantasy of being in a nice chair watching porn while a German beauty sucked me off. The women there were not attractive, but eventually I agreed to a BJ from a fat chick with nice big tits. The price was 20+10 for BBBJ / CIM. When I came she just let it all run out all over my dick but she had a handful of paper towels to catch. Still, I was a bit messy and decided to head back to the hotel. Cleaned up and then headed out to King George. When I got there they asked for 100. I asked about the 50 on the Web site and they said that was for one girl. At this point I was a little pissed off and decided to skip it. Seems silly now -- if there was a place here where I could fuck a girl for US$60 I'd visit all the time. But at the time it felt like a ripoff and I decided to just bail and save my energy for Frankfurt.
Thursday - ICE train to Frankfurt, arrived at 4:00 and picked up my rental car. Headed to my hotel to drop off luggage and then went directly to Oase, arriving around 6:00. It wasn't as fancy as Artemis, but still nice enough to justify the entry fee. The girls actually seemed more "sharky" than at Artemis, and I had to constantly tell girls that I wasn't interested. I started chatting with a Spanish girl. Her English was pretty good, but I was enjoying practicing my Spanish, which she seemed to enjoy. I thought we had a really good rapport going, so invited her to the room without firmly negotiating prices and service -- serious mistake, again. Really guys, no matter how much she seems to like you, no matter how much it "spoils the mood", ALWAYS ask her exactly how much it will cost for her to do what you want. Otherwise you risk paying her for time you won't enjoy. When we got to the room, immediately started with a hand job and put a condom on and started blowing me before she even asked how much time I wanted or what I wanted to do. Smart girl -- now that she started, it would be hard to tell her no. After a few seconds of blowing me, she started in with the business. I asked for BBBJ and she claimed that BBBJ was against the law and would not even consider BJ without the condom. She kept citing the law and how much of a fine there was. She started pushing for an hour and all kinds of extras. When she asked for 50 for CIM I asked her why that wasn't against the law and she got all defensive. I said no to everything, just basic service, and she got all pissed and started a shitty blowjob. It was a bad mood in the room, and after a few minutes I just decided to admit defeat and call it off. I should have complained to management, but in the end I just said "fuck it" and gave her the 50. She walked off without a word. Luckily I did manage to salvage the night, with two other very nice girls. Both of them confirmed BBBJ with no extra charges and the sex was great.
Friday - Drove to Cologne for sightseeing. Ended up going to Pascha just to see it. Was really disappointed. Seven floors of prostitutes, largest brothel in Europe? On each floor I saw maybe 3-4 girls. I thought that at 5:00 on a Friday it would be busier, with guys getting off work and stopping in for a quickie before heading home. Chatted up one girl and asked her if BBBJ was available. She said she couldn't discuss it in the hall because of "cameras and microphones" and that I should come in. Once inside the room she tried to get me undressed and committed, but I stood firm and asked about the BBBJ. She said it was an upcharge, so I left. Went to a different floor and found a nice chubby german girl who happily sucked me off without a condom, followed by CFS for 50. Left Pascha around 7:00 and decided I'd rather go out for a nice dinner than spend more time at an FKK. So despite plans to visit Samya or Bernd's or Finca, none of them were in the cards.
Saturday - Sightseeing in Frankfurt during the day, including a trip through the RLD, then headed to Dietzenbach. This place was the holy grail. Easily my favorite place for sex in the whole trip. There were no amenities to be had, and the "food" was pitiful. The place is a single big room with 10-12 couches. The girls each sit on a couch, and the guys have to approach them. I never saw a girl approach a guy. This is awesome, as I hate saying no to a girl. However it does mean that if you DO approach a girl, it is awkward to then turn her down, as you then have to go sit down on a couch a few feet away. LOL. Almost none of the girls I met spoke much English, but that's OK. This isn't a place to relax and chat up the girls. I ended up taking three girls to the rooms. Half hour each time, so 40, although one time I did give the last girl 50 after she was very patient and managed to coax out my third pop. All three offered BBBJ. The first one asked if I wanted a condom for sex; the other two didn't even bother asking. I was there for 5 hours. Spent 30 entry, 130 for three pops. If there was a place where I could fuck three hot girls bareback for under US $200, I'd be there every week. It was still early when I left, so walked through the RLD to see it at night. Pretty impressive number of brothels and nightclubs -- had to fight off some of the touts, who were really aggressive. Didn't visit any.
Sunday - As much as I wanted to go back to Dietz, I decided that I had to see Sharks before I left. Although it was discount day, I didn't make it there in time and paid full price. It was a great property and the food was the best of all three big FKKs (Artemis, Oase, Sharks). The girls were probably the most beautiful of all of the clubs as well, although it's hard to make that kind of comparison. They weren't as aggressive as at Oase. I ended up going with a blonde Polish girl who said no problem to my request for BBBJ at the base 30-minute rate. She was very nice and I enjoyed my time with her. While there I ran into another ISG poster, who I also knew from some local US sites. I was telling him about Dietzenbach, and we talked each other into bailing on Sharks and driving to Dietz. Got there after 8:00 so paid only 15. We both had a great time there. While most of the girls were very passive, just sitting and waiting for a guy to approach, one girl was up in the lobby area dancing to the music. She was a raven-haired beauty with big natural tits and a nice big ass. She also spoke good English and we hit it off right away. Took her to the room and had a great time. BBBJ, BBFS no questions asked. Dropped a load in her pussy with a huge grin on my face. Went out to recharge a bit. About an hour later decided that no one else there was going to do it for me, so took her for another session. I don't normally recover that fast, and after a week of mongering I was pretty much dry at this point. She worked really hard with her mouth and pussy doing all they could to get me off. She even licked my balls and played with my ass but it wasn't going to happen. I still enjoyed the time and she was super sweet and attentive, so no complaints from me. Left before they closed and ropped my ISG buddy off at his hotel before heading back to mine and packing for the trip home.
All in all, I didn't get a chance to do everything that I wanted to. I didn't try an "all-inclusive" party-treff like King George, Caligula, or Airport Girls in Berlin. I didn't try any of the NRW clubs. I took far fewer girls than I planned -- I need to realize that I'm not as young as I used to be. Ten years ago I'd have spent double what I did on this trip, LOL!
I was really worried about the new condom law, but it was inconsequential. There were a few girls who cited the law as a way to negotiate higher prices, but it was really easy to find girls who had no problem doing away with the condom for oral. I was also worried that the messe would cause problems in the Frankfurt clubs. Neither Oase nor Sharks were very crowded, and there were way more women than men at both places. Sharks did start to get crowded by 8:00 pm on Sunday, but that's when I headed to Dietzenbach so no harm done. All three of the FKKs had robes and towels large enough to fit my big frame. Even the smaller places like Anni Porsche and Dietzenbach had larger towels that fit me.
I don't foresee a chance to return to Germany any time soon, although I really do hope I can make it happen. If so, my plan will definitely be to stick to the NRW area. If the other RTC clubs are anything like Dietzenbach, I'll be very happy there.
Has any of Bundesland (federal states of Germany) started enforcing the new law? From reading here some of FKK clubs are enforcing it, but it seems hit and miss.Have we not had enough of "the law" questions already? And what do you mean by "enforcing" it exactly? Do you expect club manager or the police come into your room, and examine if your dick is wrapped while being sucked on? These questions are just getting absurd.
ExpatLover
09-25-17, 08:33
I recently returned from a week-long visit to Germany. I considered writing reports in the various different forums, but this trip was all about variety and I went to so many different places that I decided it would be easier to just write up one report and post it here.
Monday - Arrived at Tegel from Copenhagen and got to my hotel around 3:00. By 4:00 I was at Artemis for my first visit to an FKK. As expected I was blown away by the number of women as well as the amenities. Lots of the ladies were sporting big fake tits, as I was warned. However there were so many that there was no problem finding plenty with nice, natural tits. The variety was phenomenal, although there is a standard "type" that is not really my favorite. Tall, thin brunettes are really common. I was looking for short, chubby (not fat, but curvy -- I can't stand seeing a woman's ribs or hip bones) blondes. When I found one, I made my first noob mistake. I chatted her up and she told me all of the nice things that she was willing to do. I thought we had a good rapport, so headed to the room. As soon as we got there she asked for 150 for 30 minutes. Huh? She explained that all of those things I wanted were extras. Dammit, I knew that I was supposed to negotiate a price before committing. I was mad at myself, so I said no, I just wanted the standard 50 service. I got a lackluster covered BJ and boring sex. Paid her and decided that I was going to be smarter in the future. Ended up going with two other girls while there -- both of them agreed to BBBJ included in the base rate. Headed back to the hotel around 11:00.
Tuesday - Spent the morning sightseeing and headed to Anni Porsche around 2:00. Paid my 88 entry, got my towel and took a shower and headed into the main room..My approach is opposite I am negotiating nothing before the room, just because chemistry is the key for a nice session, I am always very successful with my way to handle the things and I am getting great service. Yesterday I met a new girl, we started for 30 minutes but ended for several hours everything included just had to pay 100 euro per hour.
Kosher Kowboy
09-26-17, 01:20
While there I ran into another ISG poster, who I also knew from some local US sites. I was telling him about Dietzenbach, and we talked each other into bailing on Sharks and driving to Dietz. Got there after 8:00 so paid only 15. We both had a great time there.
one girl was up in the lobby area dancing to the music. She was a raven-haired beauty with big natural tits and a nice big ass. She also spoke good English and we hit it off right away. Took her to the room and had a great time. BBBJ, BBFS no questions asked. Dropped a load in her pussy with a huge grin on my face. That's odd, a similar thing happened to me, I ran in to another American at Sharks and we discussed Dietzenbach and ended up driving there.
I know the lady you speak of, she was dancing in the lobby the next day when I arrived shortly after lunch and was asking for you. At about 10 PM that night I too gave her a good cervix blasting in your absence but she was a one timer only as I went thru the lineup (not all the way). I think she actually had a pretty busy night as she wasn't up there dancing and her pussy felt a few degrees warmer than the prior short little blond girl wearing pig tails I banged was who had been sitting alone for a good two hours before taking me to the room. It was the 2nd from left at the bottom of the stairs as you face them. That blonde always fucks in that room.
KC Questor
09-26-17, 03:57
I know the lady you speak of, she was dancing in the lobby the next day when I arrived shortly after lunch and was asking for you. At about 10 PM that night I too gave her a good cervix blasting in your absenceDude, I know you didn't creampie my girl. She was sweet and innocent and it was her first time and when I didn't come back she was so devastated she promptly retired. Must have been someone else.
FunExplorer
09-26-17, 13:37
I have not read anything recently about Bahama Club in Maintal. Can punters please update and let me know if this is worth going. I have never been there.
ExpatLover
09-26-17, 19:01
I have not read anything recently about Bahama Club in Maintal. Can punters please update and let me know if this is worth going. I have never been there.Forget and make a big turn around.
I have not read anything recently about Bahama Club in Maintal. Can punters please update and let me know if this is worth going. I have never been there.Small club for locals on day. Mostly Turkish on evening.
Free foods and drinks when I visited, with cheap entry.
Blond Alina. Ro was a real natural beauty on August 2015 , one of my prettiest in FKK. She would be the prettiest at Oase or Sharks.
There was an older German woman with big fake tits and lots of tattoos. She came up to me while I was sitting in the dining area and started blowing me in my chair. Then she led me to a massage table where she continued the BJ before slipping on a condom and having me fuck her standing from behind. Good time.Nice report my man, any ballpark figure for the age?
Anyways sound just like my type, any Annie Porsche regulars can comment on her? Name, regularity showing up, reviews?
KC Questor
09-28-17, 05:28
Nice report my man, any ballpark figure for the age?
Anyways sound just like my type, any Annie Porsche regulars can comment on her? Name, regularity showing up, reviews?Kind of hard to tell, but I'd guess 45 or even pushing 50. If she was younger, she must have lived a hard life. Still she was really fun. The English guy that I mentioned was just leaving when she showed up, and apparently they knew each other well. They hugged and flirted a bit and he introduced us. I'm guessing that's why she went after me rather than waiting for me to go lie down on the mattress. She should be fairly easy to track down. Her English was good -- she said she lived in the US for a number of years. She was very thin, with big bolt-on tits. Totally not my type. But her attitude made up for it. She was kind of dominating, and if that's your fetish she could totally be a German dom fantasy.
Does anyone know if which clubs to free entry on your birthday? I know of Samya and I think GT / LR.
Planning to Visit Frankfurt October 25 - 28.
Hotels prices are hight. Is there a Messe. Will it be super crowd FKK week?
Planning to Visit Frankfurt October 25 - 28.
Hotels prices are hight. Is there a Messe. Will it be super crowd FKK week?I will be there around same time. Hotel price is high. I am sure there are some exhibitions going on. You may want to stay close to whatever FKK if you don't drive. Let me know if you like to meet.
http://www.tofairs.com/fairs2.php?cnt=1048&cty=2237
Lists all trade fairs.
You are there during a pharmaceutical one.
Does anyone know if which clubs to free entry on your birthday? I know of Samya and I think GT / LR.Finca Erotica. I bought all the girls chocolate.
BigBuddy69
09-29-17, 10:32
That's why they're becoming so plump!
Does anyone know if which clubs to free entry on your birthday? I know of Samya and I think GT / LR.GT, LR, Globe. I think also PHG.
Planning to Visit Frankfurt October 25 - 28.
Hotels prices are hight. Is there a Messe. Will it be super crowd FKK week?You're for business in Frankfurt and therefore you need a hotel downtown. Or do you want to visit primarily FKK like Sharks? When I recommend to look for a room in Darmstadt (on trivago.de). Palace and Mainhattan both are not worth wasting time and spending money. A fair doesn't necessarily imply more crowded clubs. For example the book fair is known for lower interest of these people compared to the ones coming for motor show, air condition & heating or butchers.
PussyLiccker
09-29-17, 11:36
A fair doesn't necessarily imply more crowded clubs. For example the book fair is known for lower interest of these people compared to the ones coming for motor show, air condition & heating or butchers.You mean like Automotive Messe that brings in bus loads of Asians? :D
I recall one visit to Mainhattan during Messe that wasn't so busy as I was expecting. There were many girls in attendance, and actually a group of them clumped together as well, but the number punters I saw was much lower scale than what I saw of Oase that year. So, it's not necessary that a city club would draw in the business dwellers during the Automotive messe in a great scale.
Planning to Visit Frankfurt October 25 - 28.
Hotels prices are hight. Is there a Messe. Will it be super crowd FKK week?Never have such kind of problems with hotels. Last night I slept with my best friend, my bicycle, in my driver seat, and today driving from GT to Globe, with traffic as always in Germany, for Katalina. Germany is the lowest average speed, even Switzerland is faster for average speed, even pushing much over 200 as often as possible, but Germany is world champion for works on autobahns.
That's why they're becoming so plump!One very slim girl recently whatsapped me that she hadn't eaten for three days. I had a moral dilemma but decided not to give her money to eat: keep the girls thin :)
Tuber, during fairs, consider moving a 15 minutes drive or S Bahn outside of Frankfurt and possibly using airbnb. You can save 100's of euros.
ExpatLover
09-29-17, 20:10
One very slim girl recently whatsapped me that she hadn't eaten for three days. I had a moral dilemma but decided not to give her money to eat: keep the girls thin :)If the girl is working in a big club, she is probably cheating, always risky to give his whatsap to FKK girls.
One very slim girl recently whatsapped me that she hadn't eaten for three days. I had a moral dilemma but decided not to give her money to eat: keep the girls thin :)Fasting up to 72 hours is very good for the cells in the whole body as they go into regeneration madness the longer you go without food. That is why you need to fast before a surgery. But preferably you need to have a few extra kg before you start, and eat up again afterwards.
BigDaddyStr
09-30-17, 14:05
Hey,
Next week (Wednesday) I am in the Frankfurt area, so I decided to make a stop at one if the clubs before I head back to Stuttgart.
Still unsure which Club I should go to. Sharsk. Oase. Palace. Mainhatten?
So far I was only at Sharks. Few weeks ago. LU was good. All around a nice club.
What I like, blonde, young, big boobs (silicon perfect, if made good), BBBJ and kissing.
I actually wanted to try something new, but after the last the reports I don't knoe if Oase is thr place to go.
Right now my plan would be. Arrive at noon at Oase. Check it out. 2 HR ticket. 30 e. If its OK I stay. If not I would drive to sharks. But I don't need to drive.
But maybe someone has an advice for me?
Maybe even one if the other clubs?
Thanks.
PussyLiccker
09-30-17, 18:09
Fasting up to 72 hours is very good for the cells in the whole body as they go into regeneration madness the longer you go without food. That is why you need to fast before a surgery. But preferably you need to have a few extra kg before you start, and eat up again afterwards.https://www.verywell.com/why-cant-i-eat-or-drink-before-surgery-3157000
Horny Harry
09-30-17, 18:42
Fasting up to 72 hours is very good for the cells in the whole body as they go into regeneration madness the longer you go without food. That is why you need to fast before a surgery.When fasting your cells go into some kind of self-defence mode which allows the bad / old / unhealthy cells to die off quicker, and as PL pointed out, you're completely wrong about the reason to fast before surgery.
Here's an interesting German documentary about the benefits of fasting before chemotherapy, basically the healthy cells are not affected by chemotherapy (self-defence mode) while the cancerous cells get the full force of the chemo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epMRBGKtllY.
ExpatLover
09-30-17, 20:36
When fasting your cells go into some kind of self-defence mode which allows the bad / old / unhealthy cells to die off quicker, and as PL pointed out, you're completely wrong about the reason to fast before surgery.
Here's an interesting German documentary about the benefits of fasting before chemotherapy, basically the healthy cells are not affected by chemotherapy (self-defence mode) while the cancerous cells get the full force of the chemo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epMRBGKtllY.May be but never forget that human are animals (Darwin), and just one simply question, are the animals fasting?
Take it for what it is: https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regeneration-of-damaged-old-immune-system/.
There are the old reasons in the link PL gave as well, but to me, this immune system / regeneration is the main thing.
MythoVirus
10-01-17, 22:36
Which FKK is considered, the club of the sexiest WG, I'm talking about pure external beauty, not service or prices. Yeah it's subjective, and seasonal, but there is got to be a majority opinion in that regards.
Based on this website, what I gathered is between Globe (Zurich), Wellcum (Austria), Sharks (Germany), or is it other clubs?
I'm planning my next trip, and I would love to check what's considered top of the top FKK tier.
Which FKK is considered, the club of the sexiest WG, I'm talking about pure external beauty, not service or prices. Yeah it's subjective, and seasonal, but there is got to be a majority opinion in that regards.
Based on this website, what I gathered is between Globe (Zurich), Wellcum (Austria), Sharks (Germany), or is it other clubs?.The general idea is that Wellcum is ahead of Globe now. I have not been to Globe myself, but by listening to those who have. And so I don't know if its a top 3 even. Placing sharks on 3rd is also questionable. When talking pure external beauty there is no way sharks is 3rd, but sharks gains slightly from higher than average service. But it also depends if you look at top 3, top 7, top 10, top 15, top 20 etc. Or just average of all girls. Behind wellcum talking top 7 for example, that 2nd or 3rd place could be 10 different clubs. By external beauty. But then some clubs have more the tall girls, some has more blondes, some has more brunettes, some has more petite, some has younger girls, some has a more stable top 7, and some clubs have more fly by night girls. And most guys are hardwired so that our taste in girls change from day to day also. We are genetically and hormonal polygamous all of us men. So you see the question gets almost impossible to answer.
Which FKK is considered, the club of the sexiest WG, I'm talking about pure external beauty, not service or prices. Yeah it's subjective, and seasonal, but there is got to be a majority opinion in that regards.
Based on this website, what I gathered is between Globe (Zurich), Wellcum (Austria), Sharks (Germany), or is it other clubs?
I'm planning my next trip, and I would love to check what's considered top of the top FKK tier.Castings can change fast. Wellcum was high level on August, Globe was nothing exceptionnal on Friday, but Isabella and Megan were not working. Sharks, even 100 girls, is very average for pretty woman types for me, becoming schoolgirls land.
Usually Samya have some pretty and fresh girls.
Besides, girls are not hired by the clubs. So most changes clubs also. Many girls have worked in 20+ clubs. And it is not just seasonal. It can be weekly changes. But visually now in October (good month in probably all clubs) I don't think you can go wrong any well mentioned club on this forum. Sharks, Artemis, Oase, Oceans, Samya, Acapulco, gt (even if I'm not a big fan), LR, marina (Slovenia), palace (should be back from a dead summer) etc etc. The 3 Hamburg clubs maybe too.
Right now my plan would be. Arrive at noon at Oase. Check it out. 2 HR ticket. 30 e. If its OK I stay. If not I would drive to sharks. But I don't need to drive.
But maybe someone has an advice for me
Thanks.If your decision to extend your 2 HR ticket at Oase is based on the lineup between 1200 and 1400, you will surely decide to leave. Oase's line up is much better at night. It might be best just to go with the 50 euro ticket they offer for arriving before 1600. Night shift girls arrive starting at 1600 and all girls will be in the locker room by 1800 and on the floor within the hour after that.
As for the reason for pre-surgical fasting, in practice it is purely to prevent aspiration. In practice, Immune boosting is achieved by pre and post surgery antibiotics. Hematopoietic stem cell maturation takes, at best, days to occur so it has no effect on patient outcomes in the acute period after surgery.
Which FKK is considered, the club of the sexiest WG, I'm talking about pure external beauty, not service or prices. Yeah it's subjective, and seasonal, but there is got to be a majority opinion in that regards.
Based on this website, what I gathered is between Globe (Zurich), Wellcum (Austria), Sharks (Germany), or is it other clubs?
I'm planning my next trip, and I would love to check what's considered top of the top FKK tier.Wellcum is probably the best for pure optic quality and "woman behavior" as Sirioja would say. The girls there seem more relaxed, especially when rejected. I've only been to Globe once (on a Wednesday), but Wellcum on a Monday was clearly better optically than Globe on a Wednesday.
However, to me Wellcum is not necessarily worth it because it is so isolated and the price point (85E entry and 70E half hour sessions) is significantly higher than at the German scene. The ability to easily go to multiple clubs makes the Oase-Sharks combo a better option than Wellcum alone.
That being said, a three day trip to Wellcum with some ski/snowboard time is on my to-do list.
That being said, a three day trip to Wellcum with some ski/snowboard time is on my to-do list.Kranjska Gora (spelling is probably wrong) just across the Slovenian border 10 min drive away is also a discount good ski resort with fis competitions.
Never have such kind of problems with hotels. Last night I slept with my best friend, my bicycle, in my driver seat, and today driving from GT to Globe, with traffic as always in Germany, for Katalina. Germany is the lowest average speed, even Switzerland is faster for average speed, even pushing much over 200 as often as possible, but Germany is world champion for works on autobahns.Lowest average speed? Plenty of countries have lower average speed than Germany. How can you do 200 km / h with all the speed cameras and strict punishments in Switzerland anyways? Germany is big enough to find stretches of Autobahn with low traffic.
BigDaddyStr
10-02-17, 09:17
Thanks so far.
So Oase is not so good early on.
What about sharks?. Usually I only arrived there at 4 and it was good.
Tough. Didn't want to drive back home too late that day.
===========================================
EDITOR's NOTE: This report was written with UNNECESSARY HARD RETURNS at the end of every line of text, resulting in the text being incorrectly broken up into separate, incomplete sentences.
There is NO NEED for any report to be written with UNNECESSARY HARD RETURNS at the end of every line of text.
If you are adding these hard returns at the end of every line by using the ENTER key, then please stop. Instead, when typing simply allow the text to "wrap" automatically at the end of each line. The ENTER key is only needed to separate the paragraphs.
However, if the unnecessary hard returns were the result of you having pasted the text into the forum from another source (such as a news website), then your option is to either edit out the unnecessary hard returns or don't post the text.
Please do not post text with unnecessary hard returns in the Forum. Thanks!
Foreman371
10-02-17, 10:08
From personal experience I have noticed that most working girls in Germany, Austria and Switzerland are Romanian, in some FKK clubs I estimate about 80%. Even in Barcelona and Greece, most eastern European girls come from Romania.
A question for FKK lovers, why is the overwhelming majority of girls Romanian? Don't get me wrong I have nothing against Romanians I'm just curious what is so special about Romania that makes so many of their women travel all over Europe to work, as opposed to girls from any other poor eastern European country like Bulgaria, Serbia, Ukraine, Moldova, Bosnia, Macedonia and so on? It is highly doubtful that Romanian women enjoy this kind of work so much more than women from other countries.
Probably because of cheap labor and Romania is a poor country even by CEE standards. You can find plenty of nationalities including Germans and other Western Europeans in the sex industry.
as opposed to girls from any other poor eastern European country like Bulgaria, Serbia, Ukraine, Moldova, Bosnia, Macedonia and so on?It almost sounds like you are implying something more here. But if taking you literally, then only Bulgaria is part of EU out of the countries you mention. And so the other ones you mention are not legally allowed to work in Germany etc. There are also tons of Bulgarian girls working in Germany, but it is a smaller country than Romania. I recall walking around in frankfurt rld once and I felt there were more Bulgarians than Romanians there actually.
A very large portion of the Romanians are also roma (gypsies) people, and not ethnic Romanian. I don't know the percentages as some try to hide it, but I would guess over 50% of the 'Romanians' are.
Rogue Nation
10-02-17, 18:15
It's obvious. Romania and Bulgaria are the poorest countries within the EU. And Romanians seem to have less problems with selling their bodies than Bulgarians, so there's 80% Romanian, 5% Bulgarian and 15% other in the industry.
ExpatLover
10-02-17, 18:55
From personal experience I have noticed that most working girls in Germany, Austria and Switzerland are Romanian, in some FKK clubs I estimate about 80%. Even in Barcelona and Greece, most eastern European girls come from Romania.
A question for FKK lovers, why is the overwhelming majority of girls Romanian? Don't get me wrong I have nothing against Romanians I'm just curious what is so special about Romania that makes so many of their women travel all over Europe to work, as opposed to girls from any other poor eastern European country like Bulgaria, Serbia, Ukraine, Moldova, Bosnia, Macedonia and so on? It is highly doubtful that Romanian women enjoy this kind of work so much more than women from other countries.Romania is one of the poorest country with high young population, they don t need a visa, several years back the were girls from Hungary, polen, Germany, France etc. But they all find another way to live without needing to fuck 20 or 30 guys every day.
Kranjska Gora (spelling is probably wrong) just across the Slovenian border 10 min drive away is also a discount good ski resort with fis competitions.For skiing around Wellcum, I would advice around Klagenfurt. At, Tarvisio. It very close to the border, and the really exceptionnal Cortina the Ampezzo in wonderful Dolomiti. Carinthians around Wellcum are only baby Dolomiti.
Only short tracks in small Slovenian mountains. Only slalom and giant in FIS, for Maribor, Zagreb and Granjka Gora.
I will be there around same time. Hotel price is high. I am sure there are some exhibitions going on. You may want to stay close to whatever FKK if you don't drive. Let me know if you like to meet.I figured car rental is the best choice even if I choose to stay in hotel in Darmstadt ,
my plan is to visit sharks , so if you will be there ill see you there, i sent a msg to you ,check your Inbox.
From personal experience I have noticed that most working girls in Germany, Austria and Switzerland are Romanian, in some FKK clubs I estimate about 80%. Even in Barcelona and Greece, most eastern European girls come from Romania.
A question for FKK lovers, why is the overwhelming majority of girls Romanian? Don't get me wrong I have nothing against Romanians I'm just curious what is so special about Romania that makes so many of their women travel all over Europe to work, as opposed to girls from any other poor eastern European country like Bulgaria, Serbia, Ukraine, Moldova, Bosnia, Macedonia and so on? It is highly doubtful that Romanian women enjoy this kind of work so much more than women from other countries.Of the alternative countries you list, only Bulgaria is also a member of the EU. Bulgarians are the second biggest group in the clubs, because Bulgaria is smaller than Romania. These are by far the poorest EU countries.
From personal experience I have noticed that most working girls in Germany, Austria and Switzerland are Romanian, in some FKK clubs I estimate about 80%. Even in Barcelona and Greece, most eastern European girls come from Romania.
A question for FKK lovers, why is the overwhelming majority of girls Romanian? Don't get me wrong I have nothing against Romanians I'm just curious what is so special about Romania that makes so many of their women travel all over Europe to work, as opposed to girls from any other poor eastern European country like Bulgaria, Serbia, Ukraine, Moldova, Bosnia, Macedonia and so on? It is highly doubtful that Romanian women enjoy this kind of work so much more than women from other countries.Simple: It is the poorest country in the EU (with the possible exception of Bulgaria, which is farther away). Bulgarian is a Slavic language, and the Slavic languages are rather similar, sometimes mutually understandable, so Bulgarians might be more inclined to work in Russia. (This last part is speculation.) Before Romania was in the EU, its role was played by Poland, but not to the same extent. The influence of the church is probably less than in Bulgaria and certainly less than in Poland, which might make prostitution somewhat more tempting.
UltraHappy
10-03-17, 01:50
From personal experience I have noticed that most working girls in Germany, Austria and Switzerland are Romanian, in some FKK clubs I estimate about 80%. Even in Barcelona and Greece, most eastern European girls come from Romania.
A question for FKK lovers, why is the overwhelming majority of girls Romanian? Your estimate of 80% is quite low. The actual percentage is much higher. 80% may be reflective of polling / survey evidence that includes Romanians who claim to be from other countries. Once you speak some Romanian and watch which girls are talking Romanian with other girls, it becomes clear that almost all of the girls are Romanian. Yes, there are non-Romanians in the clubs, but very few.
95% Romanian would be a better estimate if based on their actual origin as opposed to claimed origins. I personally absolutely LOVE the Romanians, so I am happy that they are so many in Germany.
As to the why of it all, yes, this is a good question. Many speculate that Romania has a better recruiting / marketing / assistance network to help the young ladies navigate the complicate path to big Euros. Also, keep in mind that many of the girls find out about the job from their friends. So, if 95% of the girls in the clubs are Romanians, word of mouth "advertising" will continue to perpetuate the dominance of Romanians. I personally know a number of sisters who recruited their sisters into the biz.
Interestingly, the Romanian education system ensures that all young Romanian girls are informed about sex work at some point in high school. In an effort to combat the so-called "human trafikking" problem, the schools have educational seminars for the young girls to warn them about the dangers of the "lover boys" who may try to recruit them so as to be wary of them and not be tricked by them into the biz. So, all Romanian girls oddly learn of the big Euros to be made directly from their school. I sometimes wonder how effective these educational seminars are in dissuading the young girls from going into this business versus planting money-making ideas in their heads.
If someone could get around to recruiting / advertising in Greece, Bulgaria, Latvia, Estonia, etc, the rest of us would really appreciate it. K, thanks.
Polyamorist
10-03-17, 09:13
However, to me Wellcum is not necessarily worth it because it is so isolated and the price point (85E entry and 70E half hour sessions) is significantly higher than at the German scene.One thing I noticed on my travels is that the Austrian FKKs situate themselves in out-of-the-way places as much as possible. Consequently they don't have many customers from local labouring immigrant populations: no, it's all Austrians and Italians and a few well-off tourists.
Wellcum is very isolated indeed but has a better atmosphere than most Austrian FKKs including Andiamo and GT Vienna.
Member #4581
10-03-17, 12:31
Most of these girls claim their families don't know what they are doing and how they are making all that money. Which seems incredulous to me. By any measure, they seem to be making money significantly above the local standard of living; many of them are building houses, buying nice cars etc after a couple of years working in Germany, and their parents know what their skill sets and education levels were relative to how much they seem to be making now. Girls themselves say "yeah, I saw my cousin and asked her how she has this much money and she told me secretly. I wanted the same and that's how I came here". How is it possible that 20 year old cousin could figure out but not the parents, brothers, boyfriends and so on? Do jealous neighbors, relatives, others not gossip in a cruel and insulting way when they see a girl suddenly flaunt some newly acquired riches? Clearly, there seems to be a lot of turning a blind eye to what's going on, and "don't ask, don't tell, don't want to know" attitude in that region. I also wonder if the media writes about these things in Romania given how dominant are their numbers all over Europe, does media not highlight this phenomenon in that country?
Not that I am complaining.
ResidentOfMars
10-03-17, 14:45
Most of these girls claim their families don't know what they are doing and how they are making all that money. Which seems incredulous to me. By any measure, they seem to be making money significantly above the local standard of living; many of them are building houses, buying nice cars etc after a couple of years working in Germany, and their parents know what their skill sets and education levels were relative to how much they seem to be making now. Girls themselves say "yeah, I saw my cousin and asked her how she has this much money and she told me secretly. I wanted the same and that's how I came here". How is it possible that 20 year old cousin could figure out but not the parents, brothers, boyfriends and so on? Do jealous neighbors, relatives, others not gossip in a cruel and insulting way when they see a girl suddenly flaunt some newly acquired riches? Clearly, there seems to be a lot of turning a blind eye to what's going on, and "don't ask, don't tell, don't want to know" attitude in that region. I also wonder if the media writes about these things in Romania given how dominant are their numbers all over Europe, does media not highlight this phenomenon in that country?
Not that I am complaining.How much do these girls make in a year (after tax)?
I'm also curious about the business model of the FKKs- Do the girls pay a flat 65 euro entrance fee to get into the building, or do they have to pay extra whenever they take someone to a private room?
Horny Harry
10-03-17, 15:56
Most of these girls claim their families don't know what they are doing and how they are making all that money. Which seems incredulous to me. By any measure, they seem to be making money significantly above the local standard of living; many of them are building houses, buying nice cars etc after a couple of years working in Germany, and their parents know what their skill sets and education levels were relative to how much they seem to be making now. Girls themselves say "yeah, I saw my cousin and asked her how she has this much money and she told me secretly. I wanted the same and that's how I came here". How is it possible that 20 year old cousin could figure out but not the parents, brothers, boyfriends and so on? Do jealous neighbors, relatives, others not gossip in a cruel and insulting way when they see a girl suddenly flaunt some newly acquired riches? Clearly, there seems to be a lot of turning a blind eye to what's going on, and "don't ask, don't tell, don't want to know" attitude in that region. I also wonder if the media writes about these things in Romania given how dominant are their numbers all over Europe, does media not highlight this phenomenon in that country?
Not that I am complaining.Exactly, it shouldn't be hard to figure out, but as you said I also think there is a huge double standard out there.
Mostly because of the left wing fake news media and all the feminist SJW's out there, we are constantly fed the politically correct narrative that everybody who is not western European / North American is 'innocent and noble,' whereas white, heterosexual, Western males are the root of all evil, and are selfish, racists, colonialists, sexists, and obsessed with money.
So when people from the 2nd or 3rd world are caught lying (they are always 'noble and innocent' remember?), the story is again spun in a way to fit the extreme left Robin Hood narrative: 'they have to this in order to survive and pay the bills.'
So how do all the millions of other people survive and pay the bills you might ask? I guess it's a very basic life (like millions of western Europeans and North Americans also life by the way), and its relatively simple; they live within their meagre means, they are not obsessed by money or designer handbags, they don't have 'boyfriends' who drive expensive German cars, and they don't pay cash for houses that the average person needs to work more than 20 years for.
Most of the friends, family and parents of these hookers all happily turn a blind eye (pretending to believe the bullshit story that their daughter pays for everything by "working as a waitress in Germany" or "has met a rich boyfriend") in order to ride the gravy train as long as possible. When the lie is exposed and the truth comes out, they shamelessly turn 180 degrees and blame 'western sexism and capitalism' or cry in front of a western TV crew about "hum@n traff!cking"or "f0rced pro$titution" in order to cover up their own greed, hypocrisy and obsession with money.
I know one girl who takes her mother and grandmother on lavish holidays to Bali and Dubai, owns an apartment and is building a house in her native country and she explains her expensive lifestyle to her parents by pretending to live with a rich boyfriend in the UK who supposedly pays for those holidays and real estate. In reality there is no boyfriend, and she's just a prostitute in a German FKK club with the occasional escort job. Oddly enough this supposed boyfriend, despite all the money he makes, never visits her parents in her home country to say hello to the in-laws and never invites them over to the UK, yet he happily pays for holidays to faraway places like Asia and the Middle East. Holidays that he never joins, because he is "too busy" running his business.
And her parents don't become suspicious? And after all these 'happy together' years there are no pictures from him? And they've never spoken to this boyfriend on the phone? And they are supposedly together for years and yet she never introduced her boyfriend to her parents? 😂🙄 Come on, who the fuck is she kidding?!
Never forget: prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, and most girls in this business are natural born, first class liars and manipulators. Whom did they learn this lying and manipulating from? Most probably their parents. 😉
Foreman371
10-03-17, 17:05
A very large portion of the Romanians are also roma (gypsies) people, and not ethnic Romanian. I don't know the percentages as some try to hide it, but I would guess over 50% of the 'Romanians' are.Interesting, how does one tell the difference between gypsies and Romanians? Asking them would obviously be useless.
Exactly, it shouldn't be hard to figure out, but as you said I also think there is a huge double standard out there.
Mostly because of the left wing fake news media and all the feminist SJW's out there, we are constantly fed the politically correct narrative that everybody who is not western European / North American is 'innocent and noble,' whereas white, heterosexual, Western males are the root of all evil, and are selfish, racists, colonialists, sexists, and obsessed with money.
So when people from the 2nd or 3rd world are caught lying (they are always 'noble and innocent' remember?), the story is again spun in a way to fit the extreme left Robin Hood narrative: 'they have to this in order to survive and pay the bills.'
So how do all the millions of other people survive and pay the bills you might ask? I guess it's a very basic life (like millions of western Europeans and North Americans also life by the way), and its relatively simple; they live within their meagre means, they are not obsessed by money or designer handbags, they don't have 'boyfriends' who drive expensive German cars, and they don't pay cash for houses that the average person needs to work more than 20 years for.
Most of the friends, family and parents of these hookers all happily turn a blind eye (pretending to believe the bullshit story that their daughter pays for everything by "working as a waitress in Germany" or "has met a rich boyfriend") in order to ride the gravy train as long as possible. When the lie is exposed and the truth comes out, they shamelessly turn 180 degrees and blame 'western sexism and capitalism' or cry in front of a western TV crew about "hum@n traff!cking"or "f0rced pro$titution" in order to cover up their own greed, hypocrisy and obsession with money.
I know one girl who takes her mother and grandmother on lavish holidays to Bali and Dubai, owns an apartment and is building a house in her native country and she explains her expensive lifestyle to her parents by pretending to live with a rich boyfriend in the UK who supposedly pays for those holidays and real estate. In reality there is no boyfriend, and she's just a prostitute in a German FKK club with the occasional escort job. Oddly enough this supposed boyfriend, despite all the money he makes, never visits her parents in her home country to say hello to the in-laws and never invites them over to the UK, yet he happily pays for holidays to faraway places like Asia and the Middle East. Holidays that he never joins, because he is "too busy" running his business.
And her parents don't become suspicious? And after all these 'happy together' years there are no pictures from him? And they've never spoken to this boyfriend on the phone? And they are supposedly together for years and yet she never introduced her boyfriend to her parents? 😂🙄 Come on, who the fuck is she kidding?!
Never forget: prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, and most girls in this business are natural born, first class liars and manipulators. Whom did they learn this lying and manipulating from? Most probably their parents. 😉1. You sound triggerred as hell. I've learned that conservative white men are just as susceptible to being directed by the sensational media as outraged minorities. Seems like I'm right on judging by the tone of your post.
2. Judging a 3rd world nation's population based on what you know about the lives and mindsets of prostitutes seems like am easy way to come to poorly justified conclusions.
Of the alternative countries you list, only Bulgaria is also a member of the EU. Bulgarians are the second biggest group in the clubs, because Bulgaria is smaller than Romania. These are by far the poorest EU countries.Bulgaria just barely edges Romania as the poorest country in the EU.
According to Google, Bulgaria has a population of 7 million, Romania has a population of 19 million. In other words, Romania is about three times bigger.
If population size and poverty were the sole push factors for prostitution, one would expect that there would be three Romanian WGs for every one Bulgarian WG. That is clearly not the case. In reality, there are probably 10 Romanian WGs for every one Bulgarian WG.
If population size and poverty were the sole push factors for prostitution, one would expect that there would be three Romanian WGs for every one Bulgarian WG. That is clearly not the case. In reality, there are probably 10 Romanian WGs for every one Bulgarian WG.True, but perhaps it evens more out if you rule out the roma people?
UltraHappy
10-04-17, 02:00
I'm also curious about the business model of the FKKs- Do the girls pay a flat 65 euro entrance fee to get into the building, or do they have to pay extra whenever they take someone to a private room?It's generally a flat entrance fee, usually similar to the man's entry plus some extra if they are staying overnight in the club. Clubs in Germany do not generally take a cut of girl's income from each room as that is considered illegal pimping (that is, living off the earnings of a prostitute).
In some cases (not the usual case), a few small, isolated clubs will charge a small rent for use of the club rooms which will in effect result in the same outcome, that is, the club taking a portion of the girl's income, but given the formality of the transaction, the charge going to the club isn't a portion of the girl's income, but instead a room rent. This type of setup is however not the usual case in Germany.
Smoke Light
10-04-17, 03:12
Interesting, how does one tell the difference between gypsies and Romanians? Asking them would obviously be useless.A gypsy girl may have a natural darker skin, no tan lines Her face has a "kleopatra" look, dark hair, dark eyes, dark brows, even when she dyes her hair blond. She comes from the town of Roman in Romania and tells you her parents are very poor, and mother is sick and everybody in the family must work 24 hrs to buy her medications. She has a sister who is also in business, often same club or same apartment where they live. Sometimes she lives with her other close telatives, like a brother or mother. Very typical for their background. But she can also be a loner with a strong character.
One really big clue. She dances very well, she is not shy of it, she prides herself in her dancing skills, she dances professionally when she hears manele or Arabic music. She is a pole dancer, too.
Sometimes her leg skin feels a little barbed, so she has to shave the legs more often.
She looks at the palm of your hand and proceeds to tell your fortune or type of person you are, and fluently explains compatibility with other types of people, including herself.
A combination of more than one of the above makes it a stronger assumption.
If she has a natural blond hair or if she is a natural dirty blond, she is probably not your roma girl, but YMMV.
Last but not least, her pussy is tight and she is a wondeful prostitute. I love gypsy girls.
From personal experience I have noticed that most working girls in Germany, Austria and Switzerland are Romanian, in some FKK clubs I estimate about 80%. Even in Barcelona and Greece, most eastern European girls come from Romania.
A question for FKK lovers, why is the overwhelming majority of girls Romanian? Don't get me wrong I have nothing against Romanians I'm just curious what is so special about Romania that makes so many of their women travel all over Europe to work, as opposed to girls from any other poor eastern European country like Bulgaria, Serbia, Ukraine, Moldova, Bosnia, Macedonia and so on? It is highly doubtful that Romanian women enjoy this kind of work so much more than women from other countries.Even at Globe for 280/ h or Aphrodisia Zurich city for 280/30 mn or 500/ h + extra for cocaοne party, most of girls and stars are Romanian.
FKK land is Romania, except a few Bulgarians, Hungarians, Polish, Latvians and Germans. Many Bulgarians in AO sex. Romanian BF are the best to find brothels address, to drive their beloved GF to be fucked, to buy a Mercedes.
Thanks to Romanian girls coming from a poor country with salary around 200/300 , we can get pretty girls, with some really lovely, some even surprisingly passionate for sex, for 50 , to enjoy for 30 mn.
Prostitution and pimping are real business in Romania. Some families are involved, some families play blind. With internet informations, impossible they don t know where come from so big money, some girls make 20000 or more per month. Money can buy silence.
Anyway, I love my Romanian GF who are honest about money, and not very interested by Romanian stories, nor visiting them in Romania.
I ask and gypsies aways tell me. I do not ask until they know I am happy with gypsies.
Liking manele music is not a good guide as many non Roma like it as well.
Some gypsies, particularly with Hungarian, Serbian or Moldavian ancestry have light skin, but many are as Smoke Light suggests
ResidentOfMars
10-04-17, 12:22
I have been to Artemis and Paradise in Saarbrucken. I hate the lighting in the private rooms, it is very dark and the light is red-ish. Are there FKK clubs in Frankfurt-Mannheim-Saarbrucken area in which rooms have brighter, more color neutral lighting?
Also, in any of them, are there rooms with showers? Shower sex is a fantasy of mine.
I have been to Artemis and Paradise in Saarbrucken. I hate the lighting in the private rooms, it is very dark and the light is red-ish. Are there FKK clubs in Frankfurt-Mannheim-Saarbrucken area in which rooms have brighter, more color neutral lighting?
Also, in any of them, are there rooms with showers? Shower sex is a fantasy of mine.At Sharks, upstairs, at the end of right corridor, few rooms with good light and shower.
At Prestige Neunkirchen, few rooms with jacuzzi and good light.
How much do these girls make in a year (after tax)?
I'm also curious about the business model of the FKKs- Do the girls pay a flat 65 euro entrance fee to get into the building, or do they have to pay extra whenever they take someone to a private room?Some Romanian stars make more than 20.000 per month in Germany, a Romanian star at Globe make nearly 30 000 , when salary at home is 200/300. Girls pay club entry which can be more expensive than for us, girls also pay for room at Globe.
Lowest average speed? Plenty of countries have lower average speed than Germany. How can you do 200 km / h with all the speed cameras and strict punishments in Switzerland anyways? Germany is big enough to find stretches of Autobahn with low traffic.I drive more than 40 000 kms per year in Germany, between Aachen, Dusseldorf, Koln, Frankfurt, Basel and sometimes to Hamburg and Singen to go to Globe. With so many works zones everywhere, German autobahns are a real nightmare on day traffic and dangerous when You are much over 200 and arrive in works zones where Germans are stopped at 60 km / h. So many crashes now in Germany, when I didn't see any a few years ago. Even pushing over 200 as often as possible, very difficult to have 120 km / h average speed on day, being stopped so often, when no problem to have 120 km / h average speed and even faster in Switzerland, between Basel, Zurich and Geneva. Easy to be faster than 120 for average speed in France, Belgium, Italy. In NL, when You are very fast around Maastricht close to Belgium and Germany, some can think You are a go fast car and try to follow You for their business. From Dusseldorf to Hamburg, difficult to be faster than 3 h30 on day, when can be only 2 h30 at night. On last Friday, more than 6 hours to drive only 600 kms from Mφnchengladbach to Singen, on day. Not same autobahns world on day or at night, same like in brothels. On German autobahns, having to brake very hard on very high speed very often, brake pads but also discs are destroyed after only 90 000 kms, for best braking German car, after Porsche. My brand car garage which make services on my car don t understand how I can destroy my brakes so fast, when they usually work for more than 120 000 kms and discs can work longer time. At least, German autobahns are good to improve for braking technique.
Horny Harry
10-05-17, 09:11
At Sharks, upstairs, at the end of right corridor, few rooms with good light and shower.
Do those showers finally work?
Rogue Nation
10-05-17, 09:12
Do those showers finally work?They are working for two years.
A gypsy girl may have a natural darker skin, no tan lines Her face has a "kleopatra" look, dark hair, dark eyes, dark brows ..... She dances very well, she is not shy of it, she prides herself in her dancing skills, she dances professionally when she hears manele or Arabic music .... Sometimes her leg skin feels a little barbed, so she has to shave the legs more often ... A combination of more than one of the above makes it a stronger assumption .... her pussy is tight and .....Sounds like Maya in Saunaclub Bahama in Maintal.
Do those showers finally work?I never tried, I take shower and brush my teeth only once per year, as I said to Stella at Palace. Maybe somebody tried showers in upstairs rooms at Sharks?
ResidentOfMars
10-05-17, 11:52
At Sharks, upstairs, at the end of right corridor, few rooms with good light and shower.
At Prestige Neunkirchen, few rooms with jacuzzi and good light.Thanks. Are there extra charges to use these rooms?
ExpatLover
10-05-17, 19:18
I drive more than 40 000 kms per year in Germany, between Aachen, Dusseldorf, Koln, Frankfurt, Basel and sometimes to Hamburg and Singen to go to Globe. With so many works zones everywhere, German autobahns are a real nightmare on day traffic and dangerous when You are much over 200 and arrive in works zones where Germans are stopped at 60 km / h. So many crashes now in Germany, when I didn't see any a few years ago. Even pushing over 200 as often as possible, very difficult to have 120 km / h average speed on day, being stopped so often, when no problem to have 120 km / h average speed and even faster in Switzerland, between Basel, Zurich and Geneva. Easy to be faster than 120 for average speed in France, Belgium, Italy. In NL, when You are very fast around Maastricht close to Belgium and Germany, some can think You are a go fast car and try to follow You for their business. From Dusseldorf to Hamburg, difficult to be faster than 3 h30 on day, when can be only 2 h30 at night. On last Friday, more than 6 hours to drive only 600 kms from Mnchengladbach to Singen, on day. Not same autobahns world on day or at night, same like in brothels. On German autobahns, having to brake very hard on very high speed very often, brake pads but also discs are destroyed after only 90 000 kms, for best braking German car, after Porsche. My brand car garage which make services on my car don t understand how I can destroy my brakes so fast, when they usually work for more than 120 000 kms and discs can work longer time. At least, German autobahns are good to improve for braking technique.90000 km with the same disk brake is a great performance specially for a Porsche. So many very heavy accidents just because some guys believe they can drive fast, if yes why not driving at Nurburgring where you can show your talent, the only race on open road is to keep alive.
Hi,
I would like to pick the brains of the senior experts on these threads and any other members with experience on how LUs usually compare on Sundays (and Mondays?) compared to those usually on offer during the middle of the week? I'm trying plan for visits to NRW in December, and would appreciate any views before making travel commitments.
Thanks in advance.
ResidentOfMars
10-06-17, 06:07
Do any of the FKK clubs in the Frankfurt-Mannheim-Saarbrucken area have pale (natural) redheads?
ExpatLover
10-06-17, 14:02
Do any of the FKK clubs in the Frankfurt-Mannheim-Saarbrucken area have pale (natural) redheads?Shark has at least one.
Neurosynth
10-06-17, 19:53
Some Romanian stars make more than 20.000 per month in Germany, a Romanian star at Globe make nearly 30 000 , when salary at home is 200/300. Girls pay club entry which can be more expensive than for us, girls also pay for room at Globe.This sounds high to me. Leaving out girls expenses, 20,000 per month if working 30 days would be 667 per day. Even at 100 per hour, that's more than 6. 5 hours per day in the room. And they don't work 30 days a month.
ExpatLover
10-06-17, 21:36
This sounds high to me. Leaving out girls expenses, 20,000 per month if working 30 days would be 667 per day. Even at 100 per hour, that's more than 6. 5 hours per day in the room. And they don't work 30 days a month.This topic was discussed many times, the top girls are working 12 to 15 hours per day, with extra, I know girls at Shark who are earning 1500 euros per day at least average income for the girls in the top clubs is 600 euros per day.
This sounds high to me. Leaving out girls expenses, 20,000 per month if working 30 days would be 667 per day. Even at 100 per hour, that's more than 6. 5 hours per day in the room. And they don't work 30 days a month.Katalina. Ro at Globe, for 140/30 mn, is busier than Evita or Mandy at Sharks in the afternoon. She has many multiple hours rooms.
My very regular in Germany, also Romanian, charge some clients who want to spend time on couch, over charge a monster because she said: if he wants me, he has to pay 250/ h, sometimes she makes 500 for 1 hour for social time and 2 hours in room and even I didn't want to repeat with her after him, after talking together and caressing, she was very fresh and sensitive vagina after him. She is funny when she is on the edge, then she press on my head to finish her. Small pussy was built to become a real woman, wet, wide opened vagina. She works at least 6 days per week, she is a star at LR. She never asked me for more than what I give her. She knows she lost many rooms with me and no other would be able to drive so many hours, so many kilometers, every week end when it works good between us, no other devil to take care of her. No problem for 20 000 for her per month, with clients who worth 2000 per month, when she made 200/400 close to Bucharest.
All clients are not asked for same rates.
Louie De Palma
10-07-17, 19:12
Sharks, even 100 girls, is very average for pretty woman types for me, becoming schoolgirls land.Is Sharks becoming schoolgirls land?
Thanks. Are there extra charges to use these rooms?No extra at Sharks if showers in upstairs rooms work.
50 for jacuzzi room at Prestige Neunkirchen.
Also jacuzzi rooms at Samya.
Is Sharks becoming schoolgirls land?Many new girls, schoolgirls look, not finished yet to become real women, when women like Agnes, Milana. Srb, Karin, Katalina now at Globe, left. Only a few pretty, woman looks now, like Jeje. De but average level. Aylin. At tries GT with Liz.
I prefer GT or LR or even small Harmony, with real woman looks. For my experiences, women don t ask for extra for kissing, for DATY, about new law, they are happy when You take time with them. 1 hour and 100 is a good standard with DFK, foreplay.
Trans Atlantic
10-09-17, 04:15
Is Sharks becoming schoolgirls land?
Many new girls, schoolgirls look, not finished yet to become real women, when women like Agnes, Milana. Srb, Karin, Katalina now at Globe, left. Only a few pretty, woman looks now, like Jeje. De but average level. Aylin. At tries GT with Liz.
I prefer GT or LR or even small Harmony, with real woman looks. For my experiences, women don t ask for extra for kissing, for DATY, about new law, they are happy when You take time with them. 1 hour and 100 is a good standard with DFK, foreplay.Schoolgirls look sounds like 18 year old to me. Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me. LOL
Schoolgirls look sounds like 18 year old to me. Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me. LOLMany new girls look, and average faces. Not my dream. I find women more sexy and usually they don't upsell for kissing or DATY or BJ.
ResidentOfMars
10-09-17, 11:47
I was at Paradise Saarbrucken on a Saturday (LU pretty much all Romanian). A lot of punters come in around 8 pm. Is it better to go in on a weekday for a more favorable Male-Female ratio?
Horny Harry
10-22-17, 12:29
In GT:
What a disappointing casting on this Saturday.
I fully agree with you. As most people here know, I was a big long time fan of GT in the past, but the combination of a very mediocre line up on one hand, and a complete sausage fest on the other hand, has led me to avoid this place now.At LR:
Sirioja, I wished you visited and posted earlier. The LU was a disappointment yesterday.
New life at LR, but very average casting. Very slow afternoon and Turkish night. Not same LR.At Oase:
Sunday was also very very slow, but ended up having a decent time overall with one dud.
I visited Oase on Saturday night and let me say I was disappointed in the talent there but than again I have been with all the stunners over the last couple of years so I seen a limited selection in my eyes but it is what it is.
Agreed on the lineup Saturday being weak and the food sucking.My own experience at Sharks about 2 weeks ago:
I was at Sharks a few days ago. I'd say that overall it wasn't very busy, many girls sitting around talking to each other and the 2 massage guys and the Thai massage lady were also roaming around the main room looking for customers.
For as far as optics are concerned, the Line-Up was a bit under the standard for Sharks. I spotted some of the usual suspects like Catalina and Steffi, as well as many other regular faces that I've never been with.
After about one hour looking and waiting I was finally so bloody horny that I settled for Cheyenne (RO). To be honest, my FKK experiences in September and October have been very mediocre, and I can't remember things (not just in GT but even my all time favourite Sharks) to be so mediocre as far as line-up is concerned. I don't know what the reasons might be, but it seems that both line up and also attendance does not seem to have recovered much since the summer vacation.
My guesses; new German CBJ law, economic reasons (people have less money to spend, and-or are saving more), and last but not least, the new German tax laws forcing girls to have an additional pimp (Angela Merkel) and will take a HUGE portion of a girl's earnings from Jan 1st 2018 onwards.
Long live socialism and the EUSSR! Viva la revolution!
ResidentOfMars
10-22-17, 14:07
the new German tax laws forcing girls to have an additional pimp (Angela Merkel) and will take a HUGE portion of a girl's earnings from Jan 1st 2018 onwards.What are the new tax laws?
How much will the girls have to pay from next year?
I felt Sharks lineup was the best I have seen in about a year.
To be honest, my FKK experiences in September and October have been very mediocre, and I can't remember things (not just in GT but even my all time favourite Sharks) to be so mediocre as far as line-up is concerned. I don't know what the reasons might be, but it seems that both line up and also attendance does not seem to have recovered much since the summer vacation.
My guesses; new German CBJ law, economic reasons (people have less money to spend, and-or are saving more), and last but not least, the new German tax laws forcing girls to have an additional pimp (Angela Merkel) and will take a HUGE portion of a girl's earnings from Jan 1st 2018 onwards.And don't forget the requirement to register from January 1st, 2018 on. Austria and Switzerland here me come! The tutes will be waiting for us with open arms (and legs)!
Rogue Nation
10-22-17, 16:41
What are the new tax laws?
How much will the girls have to pay from next year?There are no new tax laws.
Horny Harry
10-22-17, 17:18
What are the new tax laws?
How much will the girls have to pay from next year?Girls will have to be registered with the German Finanzamt (tax office). Failure to do so (when for example being discovered by a police raid), will lead to serious fines and even prison terms for the girls. The Ponzi scheme of ever higher taxes has to continue of course, no matter what.
As for the height of German taxes, do a little bit of research.
Germany is just plusminus 10 years behind The Netherlands, where the socialists have seriously limited prostitution in cities Amsterdam and Utrecht by closing down designated areas (like in Utrecht), closing down 'massage' parlours, or by buy buying up Red Light houses (with tax money of course!) in Amsterdam. Compared to 20 years ago, the Amsterdam RLD is nowadays just a heavily regulated tourist attraction.
Ask yourself: why do you think places like GT or LR are so full of Dutch people? Why do the Dutch have to escape their 'liberal' leftwing country in order to go to a nice FKK club? Why aren't there (with the exception of YY) a multitude of nice and legal FKK clubs in The Netherlands? Surely there must be a market for a nice club near heavily populated areas like Amsterdam or Rotterdam?
Germany is slowly catching up because the socialists and 'Greens' (incl. Crypto-socialists like de CDU) have realised that they will always need more and more money to pay for all those social and economic engineering projects like 'refugees,' bank bailouts, Euro bailouts, funding the expansion of the European Union, building windmills, subsidising 'green' E-cars etcetera. Nearly all Germans with small businesses that I know are complaining about the tax office, of how much harder they suddenly are leaning on them for more money. In the small sleepy German city where I used to live, the city has bought 2 mobile speed cameras and have employed a small army of 'Ordnungsamt' nitwits handing out parking tickets. The city is racking in millions with speed cameras on a lonely deserted road in the middle of the night, all under the guise of "protecting the environment" and "road safety."
Prostitution is a multi-billion Euro industry and the German government desperately needs more money. They want a BIG piece of that action. As the saying goes: desperate times, desperate measures. So much for all this "Kostenneutrale bullshit" and of 'how Greek bailouts and rapefugees pay for themselves,' right? 🙄
And don't forget the requirement to register from January 1st, 2018 on. Austria and Switzerland here me come! The tutes will be waiting for us with open arms (and legs)!That's what I meant with the new tax law: girls will have to register with the Finanzamt.
You're probably right about Switzerland and Austria, and I guess some of the successful (smart, good looking, good service) girls have figured this out also.
What if after the 2017 summer vacation, the smart girls have started to abandon the German ship and head for the exit doors before the real stampede starts? What if that new condom law which came into effect in July 2017 was the wake-up cal that they needed to realise that the good times were over and that they would have to get moving on?
By the time the remaining girls will have figured out how much of their hard earned money they will lose in taxes in order to finance Merkel's socialist 'wir-schaffen-das' Utopia, the girls who have left since the 2017 summer will have already established a nice little customer base in Austria, Switzerland or working for some escort agency from their home country which offers them a with a lot of 'flexibility' to escape taxes.
Will it be the early bird that catches the worm? Time will tel, but I'm guessing that a lot of of those successful girls are not stupid and that they can spot a pimp (Angela Merkel) and a declining market from miles away.
In GT:
At LR:
At Oase:
My own experience at Sharks about 2 weeks ago:
To be honest, my FKK experiences in September and October have been very mediocre, and I can't remember things (not just in GT but even my all time favourite Sharks) to be so mediocre as far as line-up is concerned. I don't know what the reasons might be, but it seems that both line up and also attendance does not seem to have recovered much since the summer vacation.
My guesses; new German CBJ law, economic reasons (people have less money to spend, and-or are saving more), and last but not least, the new German tax laws forcing girls to have an additional pimp (Angela Merkel) and will take a HUGE portion of a girl's earnings from Jan 1st 2018 onwards.
Long live socialism and the EUSSR! Viva la revolution!Don't panic.
At LR, it was my decision and my fault, not to go with my regular when she came to kiss me as always, and I refused. If only I was able to be blind and just fuck her like a prostitute, then I would have had her without problem, like before. And she is my best of all my girls all over FKK land, but I need a good image to desire.
At GT, police control on Friday afternoon, so Saturday was not the best day to visit. No Kate, no Klara, no Vanessa, no Madeleine, just a bad day.
Not on this week end when I really managed very badly, but I still find good girls in Germany, without problems about new law. Also Wellcum for Summer sports and Switzerland when ski time.
KingOfBongo
10-22-17, 18:44
My guesses; new German CBJ law, economic reasons (people have less money to spend, and-or are saving more), and last but not least, the new German tax laws forcing girls to have an additional pimp (Angela Merkel) and will take a HUGE portion of a girl's earnings from Jan 1st 2018 onwards.
- new German CBJ law: job is 'easier' for girls.
- economic reasons: it was overcrowded yesterday at LR. I am always surprised to see dudes coming at 11 pm. Plus Germany has a strong economy with one of the lowest unemployment rate.
- tax + registration: yes, that might be the reason. Some girls won't come back.
But, we're in October, shouldn't girls profit of the last months without tax and registration obligation? And make plenty of money before Christmas and new year?
BigBuddy69
10-22-17, 18:53
There is clearly a loss of customers since the 1st of July. Maybe the club was overcrowded yesterday but one month ago it was not the case.
PussyLiccker
10-22-17, 19:20
What I notice was the Sept was slow in clubs around the NRW. Aca seems to have dipped as of late, but not sure how it gets on weekend nights though. This is probably due to less money after vacations(for clubs that locals are the main attenders), and also clubs not as much Ro presence during those times (at least early Sept), unless there is a Messe going on. Before the winter holidays, the Ro presence should keep increasing I think.
IMO, there's too many club options, and countries that girls can work as well.
GT and LR attracts a lot of customers on weekends, and that has been the case. Weekend night should be the nights guys walk in at 11pm at night.
Horny Harry
10-22-17, 19:23
- new German CBJ law: job is 'easier' for girls.
It takes 2 to tango. Without a customer, the working girls won't have to give any CBJ's at all. She'll be sitting on a pile of unused condoms.
But, we're in October, shouldn't girls profit of the last months without tax and registration obligation? And make plenty of money before Christmas and new year?Maybe, but maybe it's better for girls to bite the bullet and set up shop elsewhere as I suggested? Why wait until the last moment and quit on the 1st of January? To do you a favour? That's just naive and wishful thinking dude. 😂
When girls start to realise that getting registered at the tax office means 'sharing' 20-40% (it's not just income tax but also paying high social premiums) of their income with Puff Mutti Merkel, many girls will either want to leave or go underground. The smart ones are the ones that realise that now, and want to leave early in order to beat the crowd rushing for the exit.
Suppose that by July 2018 things turn out to be not as bad as expected with the taxes, then a successful girl can (if she wishes) always easily come back since she had a regular client base and word will quickly spread (through ISG and other forums) that she has returned to Germany. On the other hand, if things turn out to be disastrous for the remaining girls, then the girls who have left got themselves a 6-12 month head start before the competition finally wakes up and also wants to leave Germany and move to Austria, Switzerland or god knows where. The 'early adopters' will have established a new customer base and the 'not-so-smart' girls who stayed behind in Germany will have to fight an uphill battle to get some of that market share in Austria or Switzerland.
For successful and good-looking girls it makes a lot of business sense to try something new before the 1st of January 2018. They are smart and realistic, as the new requirement to get registered at the tax office (and thus pay German taxes + social premiums) will not magically disappear. The socialist Utopia will always need more and more and more money, that's a fact.
https://pics.me.me/socialism-illustrated-surel-spare-change-liberals-judge-socialism-by-intent-20014659.png
GT and LR attracts a lot of customers on weekends, and that has been the case. Weekend night should be the nights guys walk in at 11pm at night.Yes, but IMHO the line-up, especially compared to 1-2 years ago, is pretty crap at GT during the weekends. Most of the good-looking girls are taken and-or reserved via WhatsApp, Instagram or Facebook and spend hours in the rooms, the only time you see some of them is when they go (wearing the customer's flip-flops and a towel wrapped around their body) to get new drinks and some food. What remains of the line-up is mediocre at best, with a few exceptions who immediately get swarmed by guys as soon as they set foot in the main lounge.
What I notice was the Sept was slow in clubs around the NRW. Aca seems to have dipped as of late, Aca was fine again in October. Many girls just took vacation in Sept.
PussyLiccker
10-22-17, 20:19
Harry, the decline in club LUs has been going on for awhile before the new law, so I think you are just looking for reasons for whatever few posts you are reading on here (you should really base your opinions based on first hand experiences). When I compare what I see in clubs before the new law and after, there's not much of a difference, but if I compared to further back, yes.
Some of the clubs in the NRW has management changed like PHG and VV, and has not ever recovered. I wouldn't say Aca is the same as 2-3 years go either.
Just overall the scene is not the same as years ago. There were several clubs that if I compared to my visit to Austria years ago, I would have preferred De, but the times have changed.
Based on my experiences outside De when weighing things, I still do prefer De due to the economy of the sessions compared to other countries.
Girls will have to be registered with the German Finanzamt (tax office). Failure to do so (when for example being discovered by a police raid), will lead to serious fines and even prison terms for the girls. The Ponzi scheme of ever higher taxes has to continue of course, no matter what.
As for the height of German taxes, do a little bit of research.
Germany is just plusminus 10 years behind The Netherlands, where the socialists have seriously limited prostitution Hard to write more wrong things in one post than in this example. First, the political positions of the German and Dutch governments in recent years is comparable; if anything, the Netherlands are farther to the right than Germany, not to the left, and the Green Party has never played as strong a role there as in Germany. Second, the fact is that most earnings from prostitution were not taxed at all; being mainly a cash business, it is easier to avoid paying taxes. This has to do with fairness, not increasing revenue. Third, even if it results in more taxes, this is not the primary reason. ((First, it is not a multi-billion dollar industry; it's not that big. Second, the people pushing for more registration etc would be happy to shut it down completely if they could (which would mean no tax revenue at all from it), so this is certainly not their motivation.) Fourth, it was the Greens who made prostitution more legal back in the day, and a non-Green government is responsible for the new law. Dude, you have some serious problems interpreting reality. You seem to think that left-wing parties are evil by definition, and blame everything on them. In fact, of course, most opposition to prostitution comes from the religious right.
Harry, the decline in club LUs has been going on for awhile before the new law, so I think you are just looking for reasons for whatever few posts you are reading on here (you should really base your opinions based on first hand experiences). When I compare what I see in clubs before the new law and after, there's not much of a difference, but if I compared to further back, yes.
Some of the clubs in the NRW has management changed like PHG and VV, and has not ever recovered. I wouldn't say Aca is the same as 2-3 years go either.
Just overall the scene is not the same as years ago. There were several clubs that if I compared to my visit to Austria years ago, I would have preferred De, but the times have changed.
Based on my experiences outside De when weighing things, I still do prefer De due to the economy of the sessions compared to other countries.Agree with this. There have been a decline in the overall lineups at almost every club and it has been going on for a while before 1st of July, That is why I actually hope that some clubs will go bust so that the surviving clubs then will have better overall lineups and more people. My last visit was in Frankfurt and Mainhattan and it wasn't much of a party even tough it was a Friday night.
Rogue Nation
10-22-17, 21:31
Second, the fact is that most earnings from prostitution were not taxed at all; being mainly a cash business, it is easier to avoid paying taxes. And that doesn't change even if the girls have to register.
Every since I have been reading these forums. People always complain about some "decline". Be it in LU, the service, the "scene". And not just Germany FKK, but all other forums as well.
Things are just never as good as they "used to be". What it has to do is not with the actual "decline" but a human nature to remember things better than the actually were. And demand more.
So I take all these "decline" reports with a huge grain of salt.
Member #4581
10-22-17, 23:15
Am I the only one who thinks these threads are about German FKKs and not about some incoherent lunatic political theories? If I need to read inarticulate rants about evils of leftists, I will go to Brietbart. ISG is about sex.
Is there a reason why we need to listen to this nonsense on a continual basis?
Really have no idea how this is passing moderation. Forum rules say no trolling (defined as creating a thread with the sole purpose of starting a dispute) and no proselytizing (espousing own political beliefs).
Truth be told, I would rather listen to Siri's monologues about his Eve. At least they are about sex, and are entertaining in their own way.
Banana Boi
10-23-17, 03:28
Every since I have been reading these forums. People always complain about some "decline". Be it in LU, the service, the "scene". And not just Germany FKK, but all other forums as well.
Try reading the Thailand forums where guys whine that things aren't as good as they were 20 years ago! 20 years! Imo if things aren't as good in a country then stop going. There are many other monger destination options.
Try reading the Thailand forums where guys whine that things aren't as good as they were 20 years ago! 20 years! Imo if things aren't as good in a country then stop going. There are many other monger destination options.But chances are the decline is not in the lineups, but in their own pants.
Horny Harry
10-23-17, 09:50
Agree with this. There have been a decline in the overall lineups at almost every club and it has been going on for a while before 1st of July, That is why I actually hope that some clubs will go bust so that the surviving clubs then will have better overall lineups and more people. My last visit was in Frankfurt and Mainhattan and it wasn't much of a party even tough it was a Friday night.I think a consolidation of clubs might happen, but also don't forget that many of those establishments are used as money laundering facilities.
Should some clubs close their doors, be prepared to pay higher entry fees and higher overal prices. Wellcum charges E85 entry fee (that's roughly 30% more than the standard German FKK club entry fee of E60-65), and the prices for a girl at Globe are much higher than in Germany at the moment.
Horny Harry
10-23-17, 10:05
Am I the only one who thinks these threads are about German FKKs and not about some incoherent lunatic political theories? If I need to read inarticulate rants about evils of leftists, I will go to Brietbart. ISG is about sex.
Is there a reason why we need to listen to this nonsense on a continual basis?
Really have no idea how this is passing moderation. Forum rules say no trolling (defined as creating a thread with the sole purpose of starting a dispute) and no proselytizing (espousing own political beliefs).
Truth be told, I would rather listen to Siri's monologues about his Eve. At least they are about sex, and are entertaining in their own way.AFAIK, this site is not just about sex, it's about prostitution and I posted it under General Info in order to not 'pollute' any other threads. If you want sex on the internet, go to a porn website, jerk off, and then come back when you feel better again.
Not everything you disagree with is "trolling" (or "fake news)," I stick to the topic of prostitution and try to make sense of the changing political landscape in Europe and it's effect on prostitution, in particular the future of German FKK clubs.
If you don't like my posts, or if thinking about the future is too difficult or uncomfortable for you, then you're more than free to ignore me. That's what living in a free world is all about: there is very little need for censorship. There is an ignore button (*) next to my username, that way there is no need for the moderators to censor my posts, and your poor delicate snowflake eyes won't have to read any of my "nonsense" posts and be confronted with a thought provoking opinion that you don't agree with. That way you can continue to live in your little safe space 'Friede-Freude-Eierkuche' bubble.
(*) Click on my username in any of my posts, select "View Profile" and then select "Add To Ignore List." Simple as that!
Harry.
I for one do not intend to take up your suggestion to ignore you. That would be a mark of intolerance by me.
I know from our previous discussions that you can make a good reasoned snd interesting case for your political views.
But like Jnpr30, I am bemused as to why you throw out random political slogans with no backup arguments. Are you simply trying to wind up people you regard as snowflakes? Or maybe you don't realise how those slogans sound to some other people?
Anyway, still hope to have a discussion in person someday. I am sure we will reach a consensus (well, sort of, maybe).
An anti snowflake optimist lol
Every since I have been reading these forums. People always complain about some "decline". Be it in LU, the service, the "scene". And not just Germany FKK, but all other forums as well.
Things are just never as good as they "used to be". What it has to do is not with the actual "decline" but a human nature to remember things better than the actually were. And demand more.
So I take all these "decline" reports with a huge grain of salt.FKKs overall have for my tastes changed for the worse substantially. But Germany still has plenty to offer me. My response is to change which places I go to and how I operate. As in the past, fortune favours the brave and there are experiences to be found as good as any ever were.
There has been an actual decline by my criteria (sharky behaviour, availability of DFK) and that is not looking at the past with rosetinted, as I think many things in life have improved.
But you are right not to worry about reports of things being worse. What counts is what you can find now for yourself.
Good luck.
Horny Harry
10-23-17, 12:05
But like Jnpr30, I am bemused as to why you throw out random political slogans with no backup arguments. Are you simply trying to wind up people you regard as snowflakes? Or maybe you don't realise how those slogans sound to some other people? Then please answer these facts and arguments:
Germany is just plusminus 10 years behind The Netherlands, where the socialists have seriously limited prostitution in cities Amsterdam and Utrecht by closing down designated areas (like in Utrecht), closing down 'massage' parlours, or by buy buying up Red Light houses (with tax money of course!) in Amsterdam. Compared to 20 years ago, the Amsterdam RLD is nowadays just a heavily regulated tourist attraction.
Ask yourself: why do you think places like GT or LR are so full of Dutch people? Why do the Dutch have to escape their 'liberal' leftwing country in order to go to a nice FKK club? Why aren't there (with the exception of YY) a multitude of nice and legal FKK clubs in The Netherlands? Surely there must be a market for a nice club near heavily populated areas like Amsterdam or Rotterdam?
Here are some links about what has been happening to the Amsterdam RLD;.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/dec/07/amsterdam-crackdown-prostitution-drugs-crime (an article from 2008).
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/jan/15/amsterdam-sex-workers-unlikely-victims-gentrification-red-light-district
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_Netherlands#21st_century:_reducing_the_size_of_the_red_light_district
More recently, officials have noticed an increase in violence centered on this irregular industry, and have blamed this increase on the illegal immigration of individuals into Amsterdam to participate in the sex industry: "The guys from Eastern Europe bring in young and frightened women; they threaten them and beat them", said a resident of De Wallen.[6] Prostitution has remained connected to criminal activities, which has led the authorities to take several measures, including detailed plans to help the prostitutes quit the sex trade and find other professions.
In 2005 Amma Asante and Karina Schaapman, two councilors for the Labour Party (Netherlands), wrote a report, "Het onzichtbare zichtbaar gemaakt" (Making the Invisible Visible). Schaapman had once been a prostitute and was getting information about the influx of organized crime and violence into the business. Other reports came out around the same time. They concluded that a large number of prostitutes in Amsterdam were being forced to work and were being abused by pimps and criminal gangs, and that the goals of legalization were failing.[14][15]
In response to the problems associated with the involvement of organized crime into the sex trade, the Dutch government has decided to close numerous prostitution businesses. Concerned about organized crime, money laundering and [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), Amsterdam officials under Mayor Cohen denied the license renewals of about 30 brothels in the Amsterdam red light district De Wallen in 2006; the brothel owners appealed. To counter negative news reports, the district organized an open house day in 2007 and a statue to an unknown sex worker was unveiled, "intended to honor those employed in the industry world-wide."[16] In September 2007 it was announced that the city of Amsterdam was buying several buildings in the red light district from Charles Geerts in order to close about a third of the windows.[17]
And here is a list of al recent (since 1983) mayors of Amsterdam;.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_van_Thijn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schelto_Patijn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_Cohen (see quote above)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodewijk_Asscher
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberhard_van_der_Laan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kajsa_Ollongren
Hint: all of them, except for interim mayor Ollongren, are member of the Dutch Labour Party, the PvdA. Maybe the socialist and leftwing parties allowed prostitution to flourish during the 1970's and 1980's, but this is what the leftwing ideology is like in 2017.
You might be a tourist, but I have lived in Germany for close to 20 years and still have plenty of German friends who all confirm the following:
Nearly all Germans with small businesses that I know are complaining about the tax office, of how much harder they suddenly are leaning on them for more money.The key word is "suddenly" because the tax declaration (filled out by tax consultants) for the small businesses of my friends have been accepted for years, but "suddenly" the tax office doesn't accept them anymore. Since some people here know better, please share with us how much taxes a prostitute will have to pay in Germany. Do you and Jnpr30 have any experience paying taxes in Germany?
And last but not least, I still don't have an answer about why a high tax leftwing Utopia like Sweden has banned all prostitution. How many FKK clubs are there in Stockholm? Where is the nearest RLD in Stockholm?
Wake up dan smell the coffee folks, the good old days of leftwing tolerance for prostitution are over.
Member #4581
10-23-17, 12:49
Prostitution touches travel, food, economy, healthcare, communications, religion, yadda yadda in addition to politics if you stretch the definition. That doesn't mean the most inane rants touching prostitution in a very tangential way at best but focused on entirely different matters belong in the section about German FKK. Especially when they are repeated ad nauseum with little variance.
And no, I do not object to your writings because I disagree with your politics. I object because this is not the right forum. You seem to think you have uniquely brilliant insights on subjects unrelated to this thread and we should all listen to them, and I can assure you neither is true. If anything, your rants are incoherent, insulting, devoid of substance, repetitive, and most importantly BORING. I am sure most people posting here have their own political view but they have the good sense to keep it to themselves, or articulate those views in the proper forums.
If I want to read other people's political views, I will go to a political site. I don't go to Brietbart or HuffPost or whatever is the European equivalent, and discuss prostitution on those threads. Apparently, time and place have no relevance to you.
Thanks for the blazingly obvious suggestion about ignore button. That button is an addition to moderation. The definition of trolling and proselytizing I provided come straight from the forum rules section, and your posts fit them to a T.
PussyLiccker
10-23-17, 13:07
These types of discussions are better done in person with beer.
Agree with this. There have been a decline in the overall lineups at almost every club and it has been going on for a while before 1st of July, That is why I actually hope that some clubs will go bust so that the surviving clubs then will have better overall lineups and more people. My last visit was in Frankfurt and Mainhattan and it wasn't much of a party even tough it was a Friday night.First one went bust a month ago I believe. Villa Marisol. (Or was it another 'villa' club?
New big FKK's just the past 3-4 years: Oceans, Marina, Wellcum, Paradise Saarbrucken. And tons of older clubs have also increased room numbers. There have probably never been more FKK girls around than there are today. Which goes to show hardly anyone has a very good overview especially when it comes to service. As you pretty much must go to the room with over half the girls in a club. Optics is much easier to check up on. And in my opinion that has improved during the past few years (maybe except at Artemis and Palace) as a total over all the clubs. Some more clubs have girls trying to hold back services in groups. But those things are almost always rules to be broken even at the most notorious clubs. Part of the fun with FKK's is not just to go to the right club, but to find new gems. And then you cannot listen to wachos on the internet who's got a completely different tease than you and as self suggested experts just because they have visited a club a few times. The real good service is always something you don't see coming. And it is always something non-mechanical where you get it and the sucker next to you don't.
HH. I totally agree with your last paragraph. The days of positive correlation between European leftish movements and sexual tolerance are long gone.
I m not going to answer your points in details as basically you are pretty much right, in my opinion. And also I don't want to hijack the thread into a political discussion.
Your last post makes your points well. Thank you for taking the time to re-articulate in a different way the rather sweeping original statements.
I know you lived long in Germany. But if you are talking about European politics and social and economic history, I am no tourist: I have lived here (Europe) all my life.
As PL says, best discussed over a beer.
Cheers.
Citizen Kane
10-23-17, 17:28
The days of positive correlation between European leftish movements and sexual tolerance are long gone.That's the problem O. That correlation is now negative.
Neurosynth
10-23-17, 20:38
Becoming jaded is part of the reason that it always seems like people are reporting it used to be better.
For most guys the first time they go to an FKK they can hardly believe it. A nightclub full of young naked women who will have sex with you at the drop of a 50 Euro note? What's not to like?
Then, after a while, that initial response begins to diminish, and guys become more discriminating in terms of looks, service, cost, and so on. But even though they perceive things more clearly now, the *memory* of early visits is dominated by their overwhelmed and frankly overly positive response at the time.
So when you have a forum of guys who have cooled a bit over time, and they are all saying "it used to be better," that begins to sound like an undeniable consensus. But it's not, it's just the common experience of becoming a bit jaded.
Horny Harry
10-23-17, 21:58
Becoming jaded is part of the reason that it always seems like people are reporting it used to be better.
For most guys the first time they go to an FKK they can hardly believe it. A nightclub full of young naked women who will have sex with you at the drop of a 50 Euro note? What's not to like?
Then, after a while, that initial response begins to diminish, and guys become more discriminating in terms of looks, service, cost, and so on. But even though they perceive things more clearly now, the *memory* of early visits is dominated by their overwhelmed and frankly overly positive response at the time.
So when you have a forum of guys who have cooled a bit over time, and they are all saying "it used to be better," that begins to sound like an undeniable consensus. But it's not, it's just the common experience of becoming a bit jaded.Yeah you have a great point there and I fully agree that after a while we become spoilt and take certain things like a nightclub full of naked ladies for granted.
Nevertheless, I'm still quite intrigued why I noticed such a big drop in the last 12-18 months. but especially since the summer, as very little has changed in my personal life or my taste in women. It's not that the girls that I previously thought were attractive, have suddenly become less attractive in my eyes. It's that those attractive girls are simply no longer there, I can't find them anymore. I don't need new glasses, and I'm not imagining things, the line-up simply has dropped, to a much lesser extent at Sharks, but at GT this has become very noticeable. As I've stated many times, I'm quite terrible with names but I'm very good remembering faces, and I notice that I spend more and more time in FKK clubs looking for those familiar faces of girls that I liked but they're just not there anymore. I always had a couple of faces in back of my mind of pretty girls that were on my wish-list, and in the past it was never a problem to spot them the next time I visited. Nowadays I just don't see them anymore.
Of course I make a political connection, because lets face it: politics has an enormous influence on our lives. It's politics that enabled this huge expansion in FKK places and brothels in Germany in the first place by legalising prostitution in 2002 and at the same time turning a bit of a blind eye on the missed out tax revenues, and now it's again politics that seems to be reversing course. Why does the government suddenly need so much extra money? Well, unless you've been living underneath a stone for the last 10 years you might have heard of a couple of very expensive political projects; the European Union, the Euro, a financial crisis with resulting bailouts, and a big immigration crisis. Anyone who has read a newspaper in the last year also must be aware that it's white heterosexual men that are constantly portrayed as pigs in the mainstream media. Just look at the whole #metoo hype (happily picked up by most leftwing feminists) at the moment around this guy Harvey Weinstein.
Add the two together (taxes + "all-men-are-pigs") then it's not hard to see where the political momentum comes from to cap prostitution in Germany.
Horny Harry: how many clubs are you visiting?
To me this is how I've felt the lineups have been changing in some clubs throughout the year:
Sharks: started bad, continued bad, best now in October.
Oase: started good, continued good until mid summer, has dipped a bit since mid summer and is at a 2 year low. But reading lists of lineups I may have missed out on a few girls a few days as of late, so it doesn't have to be bad there every day.
Palace: really been bad all year. Last fall was great I felt. Was terrible this summer. But it always is. Reports increased since the vacation ended. I haven't checked it out since then.
Artemis: much the same as 2016 or a slight increase considering the dip it had related to the raid back then. 2013-2014 was better however.
Oceans: year started slow. Slower than last fall. Been slow until Aug. Oct was best this year.
Samya: much the same all year since I started going there. A few girls gained a few kg. Somewhat the same as at Oceans, but not more than a few of them. Can be lost in 2 days. Nothing spectacular left, nothing spectacular arrived. All tops still there.
Aca: as a total unchanged throughout the year with only slight almost miniscule changes from visit to visit. At least for me. Maybe others disagree.
And I was also impressed by Wellcum in Aug., and I spotted hot girls at various other clubs too who were new to me. (YY, Marina, SS, GT). So why not broaden your horizon if one clubs lineuo is a bit down for tou? Other clubs may be going up. For your taste at least.
ExpatLover
10-24-17, 06:17
Yeah you have a great point there and I fully agree that after a while we become spoilt and take certain things like a nightclub full of naked ladies for granted.
Nevertheless, I'm still quite intrigued why I noticed such a big drop in the last 12-18 months. but especially since the summer, as very little has changed in my personal life or my taste in women. It's not that the girls that I previously thought were attractive, have suddenly become less attractive in my eyes. It's that those attractive girls are simply no longer there, I can't find them anymore. I don't need new glasses, and I'm not imagining things, the line-up simply has dropped, to a much lesser extent at Sharks, but at GT this has become very noticeable. As I've stated many times, I'm quite terrible with names but I'm very good remembering faces, and I notice that I spend more and more time in FKK clubs looking for those familiar faces of girls that I liked but they're just not there anymore. I always had a couple of faces in back of my mind of pretty girls that were on my wish-list, and in the past it was never a problem to spot them the next time I visited. Nowadays I just don't see them anymore. .I agree that the LU are deteriorating over the last 18 months, a lot of veteran girls moving from one club to another or staying for years in the same FKK like for Artemis, Oase, or World so many girls there for too many years. Also the impact of the new law is progressively taking effect, girls are leaving every week and the new comers are far from being top one. 90% of the girls are Romanian, there are less and less Hungarian, polish etc. And most of the German have problems there or there or in such a rich country like Germany with a lot of job opportunities they will not work in a FKK to make her living.
Yeah you have a great point there and I fully agree that after a while we become spoilt and take certain things like a nightclub full of naked ladies for granted.
Nevertheless, I'm still quite intrigued why I noticed such a big drop in the last 12-18 months. but especially since the summer, as very little has changed in my personal life or my taste in women. It's not that the girls that I previously thought were attractive, have suddenly become less attractive in my eyes. It's that those attractive girls are simply no longer there, I can't find them anymore. I don't need new glasses, and I'm not imagining things, the line-up simply has dropped, to a much lesser extent at Sharks, but at GT this has become very noticeable. As I've stated many times, I'm quite terrible with names but I'm very good remembering faces, and I notice that I spend more and more time in FKK clubs looking for those familiar faces of girls that I liked but they're just not there anymore. I always had a couple of faces in back of my mind of pretty girls that were on my wish-list, and in the past it was never a problem to spot them the next time I visited. Nowadays I just don't see them anymore. .HW is not white technically. The whole 30 year scandal only erupted due to the media suddenly turning against him for some as yet undetermined reason.
Also they could just get rid of the registration requirements and just ratchet up the tax rates on the clubs, then the clubs would collect more entrance charges from the girls to make up for the taxes and the girls would still be able to remain anonymous.
Also I read that Germany is now chartering planes (since they can't send them on commercial flights anymore due to disruptions) to take refugees back to Afghanistan and just telling them to live in the city areas where they will be safe from the Taliban. So probably within a few years the refugee situation will be solved hopefully. Then probably Syrians could get sent back also if they can just help the Syrian president get control again and not fight against him.
Of course I make a political connection, because lets face it: politics has an enormous influence on our lives. It's politics that enabled this huge expansion in FKK places and brothels in Germany in the first place by legalising prostitution in 2002 and at the same time turning a bit of a blind eye on the missed out tax revenues, and now it's again politics that seems to be reversing course. Why does the government suddenly need so much extra money?As I've said before, if you think that taxing prostitution more heavily would seriously increase the government's income, you need to demonstrate it with maths. What fraction of the budget are we talking about?
Also, as I've said before, the same people responsible for the recent changes in the law manged to get them through, but not their demands to outlaw prostitution entirely, which is what they really want. Needless to say, outlawing it would mean 0 tax revenue from it.
Well, unless you've been living underneath a stone for the last 10 years you might have heard of a couple of very expensive political projects; the European Union, the Euro, a financial crisis with resulting bailouts, and a big immigration crisis.Actually, the financial situation in Germany now is better than it has been in the last several years. Tax revenues are high, unemployment is low. You are out of touch with reality.
Also, if taxing prostitution means more money, why don't we see states with real financial problems introducing incentives to increase prostitution and thus solve their financial problems via taxes on prostitution?
Anyone who has read a newspaper in the last year also must be aware that it's white heterosexual men that are constantly portrayed as pigs in the mainstream media. Just look at the whole #metoo hype (happily picked up by most leftwing feminists) at the moment around this guy Harvey Weinstein. It is not hype. Defending Weinstein is beyond the pale. Yes, is he's a white dude. So what? The last high-profile person in such a scandal was Bill Cosby, who is not white. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour, no matter the colour of the perpetrator. Cosby was extensively covered by the media.
[Deleted by Admin]
As for your ideas about the left wing being against prostitution, yes, some are, and some aren't. Right-wing or conservative people are even more often against prostitution, though usually for other reasons. There are some questions which have a simple reflection in right-left politics, but this is not one of them.
As for Amsterdam and its mayors, are they responsible for changes in prostitution laws or the national government?
Horny Harry
10-26-17, 08:59
SvenFKK, your post is [Deleted by Admin] so completely blown out of context, and so completely out of touch with both reality and FACTS, that I would not even know where to begin where to counter it. I seriously doubt that you're able to read and grasp all the facts, but it's actually more for other readers who might be interested and I also don't want idiots to put words into my mouth that I neither said nor agree with.
As I've said before, if you think that taxing prostitution more heavily would seriously increase the governmen't income, you need to demonstrate it with maths. What fraction of the budget are we talking about?Well, as expected, you have no idea what you're talking about, and the only thing you can do is yell, insult and pull things completely out of context.
Prostitution, in Germany alone, is a MULTI-BILLION Euro industry. As a matter of FACT, it's a 14,5 BILLION Euro industry (see Spiegel link below) and you're so incredibly dumb and naive that you think that the German government doesn't want any piece (say 20,30, 40%) of that action?
You might 'argue' that 3-4 billion is tax revenue is relatively little for the total German tax revenue, but with that kind of 'logic' I might also 'argue' that I "only" paid E20k in income taxes last year, and what's E20k on the big budget? Right? 🙄 As the German saying goes: "Kleinvieh macht auch Mist." A billion here, a billion there, things eventually add up, so why would the German government exempt the sex industry from taxes? Because you're horny and can't think straight? I guess only this kind of 'logic' only works in your twisted little world.
http://www.spiegel.de/video/mit-prostitution-werden-in-deutschland-14-5-milliarden-euro-umgesetzt-video-1286781.html
Actually, the financial situation in Germany now is better than it has been in the last several years. Tax revenues are high, unemployment is low. You are out of touch with reality.
Germany is on the hook ( liability) for roughly 640 BILLION in so called Target 2 payments which are there to provide life-support for the Greek, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian economies and is currently the glue that is keeping the Euro-zone together.
http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/euro-krise-die-target-2-forderungen/6724982-2.html
Deutschland hat dagegen Forderungen gegenber der EZB in Hhe von mehr als 640 Milliarden Euro. Sollten einzelne Target-2-Verbindlichkeiten platzen, wrde der Schaden auf die Notenbanken des Euro-Raums verteilt. Sollte sich die Euro-Zone aber komplett auflsen, msste die Bundesbank ihre Forderungen wohl abschreiben.http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/wirtschaftspolitik/der-finanzielle-abstieg-von-nordrhein-westfalen-15003387.html
Furthermore, the German State (that is, the government in Berlin) might be 'rich' and meet the 3% norm on paper, but that is only because they have transferred most of the debts and liabilities to the more local level of Laender and Kommunen.
Many Bundeslaender (states) and Kommunen (municipalities) are pleite (bankrupt);
http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article156387203/Darum-wuerde-vielen-Bundeslaendern-eine-Pleite-guttun.html
http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/viele-kommunen-pleite-studie-das-sind-die-groessten-pleite-staedte-deutschlands_id_3470427.html
Tax collection is done regionally in Germany and many many municipalities and states are in DESPERATE need of cash.
Where do you think the potholes and the "marode Bruecken" (Google Schiersteiner Bruecke) come from?
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/eisenbahnbruecken-hier-zerbroeselt-deutschlands-infrastruktur-a-1165451.html
and,
https://www.welt.de/regionales/nrw/article164108816/Vernachlaessigung-der-Strassen-raecht-sich-nun-vollends.html
Actually, the financial situation in Germany now is better than it has been in the last several years. Tax revenues are high, unemployment is low. You are out of touch with reality.
These tax revenues are obviously not high enough.
It is not hype. Defending Weinstein is beyond the pale. Yes, is he's a white dude. So what? The last high-profile person in such a scandal was Bill Cosby, who is not white. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour, no matter the colour of the perpetrator. Cosby was extensively covered by the media.I'm absolutely not defending Weinstein, please quote me where I'm supposedly defending Weinstein! All I said was that I'm not so stupid and naive to believe everyone of those radical feminist #metoo lunatics who are jumping on the 'let's crucify all men' bandwagon.
Above are cold hard FACTS that I have provided and come from the mainstream media like Spiegel, Handelsblatt, FAZ, Focus, and Welt. There is no conspiracy theory about this, these facts are right in the open. The only thing you have to do is open your fucking eyes and look beyond the 'all-is-well' propaganda in order to see the big picture.
I could provide you with plenty of more facts, but I don't spend much time in arguing with idiots who can't read, have no intellectual basis or capacity and pull everything completely out of context.
"The same people responsible for the recent changes in the law manged to get them through, but not their demands to outlaw prostitution entirely, which is what they really want. Needless to say, outlawing it would mean 0 tax revenue from it. "
This debunks your entire thesis. Interestingly, you didn't even try to rebut it.
HH: Although I agree more with you than Sven, there are things to be pointed out here:
- Economy is a zero sum game. This means that among other things, that the more money they pimp away from the girls, the less money will the girls bring with them back to Romania. The higher the chances of Romania falling into the same pit as Greece, Portugal etc etc. The more 2-hand liability will the German state have to secure. And also, the more costly the prostitution for the German men, the less will these German men have left to spend on other services and items in the society. The less taxes will the states receive. And lastly, the higher the cost for sex, the less foreigners will arrive in Germany for sex.
- It will be as easy for the officials to check tax payments from the girls as it is for them to check for conom usage.
Prostitution, in Germany alone, is a MULTI-BILLION Euro industry. As a matter of FACT, it's a 14,5 BILLION Euro industry (see Spiegel link below) and you're so incredibly dumb and naive that you think that the German government doesn't want any piece (say 20,30, 40%) of that action?!
Prostitution is a cash business, receipt-less and generally not centralized, meaning customers pay the WG directly, rather than the brothel operator. The government will collect more than they used to but I doubt the government will come close to collecting even 10% of the action. To get 40% of the action is unrealistic. That level of enforcement would be too expensive in terms of manpower.
If German government really wanted to crack down on tax avoidance and underreported income, they would move to a cashless society like the Nordic countries. Moving to a cashless society would not only allow the German government to collect more tax money, but would probably result in cost savings. Fewer tax authorities, customs agents, police, military need to be hired.
http://www.ibtimes.com/cashless-global-economy-might-reduce-organized-crime-terrorism-lipow-251501
If German government really wanted to crack down on tax avoidance and underreported income, they would move to a cashless society like the Nordic countries. Moving to a cashless society would not only allow the German government to collect more tax money, but would probably result in cost savings. Fewer tax authorities, customs agents, police, military need to be hired.
http://www.ibtimes.com/cashless-global-economy-might-reduce-organized-crime-terrorism-lipow-251501Good point and link. And at the same time, the one currently winning argument against prostitution would fall flat on its head. As all transfers from the girls onwards to the pimps would get tracked, the naysayers would loose their main argument against this. However, smaller issues with this, especially privacy, would be fixed if there was a move over to blockchain currencies.
Neurosynth
10-27-17, 08:25
HH: Although I agree more with you than Sven, there are things to be pointed out here:
- Economy is a zero sum game. Disagree. If it was we would still be living in caves.
Horny Harry
10-27-17, 09:22
HH: Although I agree more with you than Sven, there are things to be pointed out here:
- Economy is a zero sum game.
Disagree. If it was we would still be living in caves.Thanks Pistons, but I have to agree with Neurosynth on this one, the economy is anything but a zero-sum game. IMO it's an exponential game of ever increasing debt (just Google a chart for total world debt) that has to inflate the money supply (money = debt) which again in turn has to drive economic growth. The problem is that on a European and global level, it hasn't really worked very well over the last 10 years.
What you're referring to with a zero-sum-game is probably the options-futures market, where there is a 'long' (call) for every 'short' (put) and at the options expiration date, everything is tallied up and the winners have to pay the losers.
Prostitution is a cash business, receipt-less and generally not centralized, meaning customers pay the WG directly, rather than the brothel operator. The government will collect more than they used to but I doubt the government will come close to collecting even 10% of the action. To get 40% of the action is unrealistic. That level of enforcement would be too expensive in terms of manpower.
If German government really wanted to crack down on tax avoidance and underreported income, they would move to a cashless society like the Nordic countries. Moving to a cashless society would not only allow the German government to collect more tax money, but would probably result in cost savings. Fewer tax authorities, customs agents, police, military need to be hired.
http://www.ibtimes.com/cashless-global-economy-might-reduce-organized-crime-terrorism-lipow-251501I agree with you that it's very difficult for the German tax office to make an accurate assessment of the income of a prostitute. What happens in such cases is that the tax office will probably make an estimate of a girl's income. Even if that estimate is at the low end, say 4-5 k gross, then after taxes and social premiums and deductibles like connie, lube, transport etc, in a social democracy like Germany, you'd only have perhaps a little bit more than half of it left over.
I also agree that going cashless will be a solution, but I sincerely hope that it will not come to that. A cashless society where the government can track ANY payment you make or receive, is a totalitarian's wet dream come true.
Disagree. If it was we would still be living in caves.OK, I should have been more detail oriented here. Fiat economy is a zero sum game.
And to answer your statement: Innovation is not based on economy.
Thanks Pistons, but I have to agree with Neurosynth on this one, the economy is anything but a zero-sum game. IMO it's an exponential game of ever increasing debt (just Google a chart for total world debt) that has to inflate the money supply (money = debt) which again in turn has to drive economic growth. The problem is that on a European and global level, it hasn't really worked very well over the last 10 years.
What you're referring to with a zero-sum-game is probably the options-futures market, where there is a 'long' (call) for every 'short' (put) and at the options expiration date, everything is tallied up and the winners have to pay the losers You are totally confused about the difference between fictional incentives compared to growth in prosperity. Growth in prosperity is all about the total amount of wealth, and is all about technology and innovation. While fictional incentives is all about a ponzi scheme known as fractional reserve banking and uses fiat currency as a weapon of delusional growth. And yes of course, it doesn't 'really work' when its all a ponzi scheme. The options future market is just one of these newfound casino games you can play on the stock market. Like warrants, derivatives etc etc. And they are all results and only made possible out of the very idea that we are all just playing monopoly with game money.
- There will be absolutely no track record of how many days the girls will have worked in Germany throughout a year. I am assuming (without knowing the german tax laws too well) that you can get a free tax card where you can make a small amount of money every year without having to pay any taxes at all. Say 3-4000 euro. And since the clubs have absolutely nothing to do with when the girls are 'working', and are legally not allowed to hold charts or logs on this (since that would be pimping), there will be no way for the german tax officials to know if the girls have made more than that minimum amount. In case there are no such thing in Germany as a free tax card for very low wages (part time), the minimum tax amount probably starts at something like 8%, and I would assume lets you earn maybe 5-8000 a year before going up.
- It will be as easy for the officials to check tax payments from the girls as it is for them to check for conom usage.Condom usage requires watching people in action, which is rather difficult in practice. In the future, all prostitutes (including girls doing erotic massage who don't even offer sex, etc) will have to be registered. So, it is easier. As with all cash business, it is easy to hide earnings, but at least a minimum can be taxed.
If German government really wanted to crack down on tax avoidance and underreported income, they would move to a cashless society like the Nordic countries. Moving to a cashless society would not only allow the German government to collect more tax money, but would probably result in cost savings. Fewer tax authorities, customs agents, police, military need to be hired.There are two problems with this: privacy and negative interest. Privacy is not a problem in the Nordic countries, where some things are required to be public there which would be illegal to make public elsewhere. This would certainly hurt prostitution and all other cash businesses which are cash not just due to convenience but due to privacy.
The ECB has had zero or even negative interest for a while now. While this doesn't necessarily result in negative interest for end customers, it could, and has in rare cases. As long as there is cash, people will withdraw their savings if the interest is negative. While this sounds logical, it doesn't really make sense, since the cash will also lose value if there is inflation. Back when interest was 5 per cent, inflation was 6 per cent or 8 per cent or whatever, so in practice there was more "negative interest" in a checking account then than there is now. However, most people react more strongly to their balance decreasing even if they don't withdraw anything than to an increase in balance though much less than the rate of inflation, even though the latter is arguably worse.
Of course, conspiracy theorists see a cashless society as helping government control.
Good point and link. And at the same time, the one currently winning argument against prostitution would fall flat on its head. As all transfers from the girls onwards to the pimps would get tracked, the naysayers would loose their main argument against this. However, smaller issues with this, especially privacy, would be fixed if there was a move over to blockchain currencies.Any advantages would be way offset by the fact that without cash, many wouldn't pay for prostitution at all. As to blockchain currencies etc, they can be and have been hacked. Also, most people probably distrust them.
Any advantages would be way offset by the fact that without cash, many wouldn't pay for prostitution at all. As to blockchain currencies etc, they can be and have been hacked. Also, most people probably distrust them.Your point of view is easy to see in today's paradigm. But then you have to look at factors which can usher in paradigm changes. A cashless society is one such thing that was change the take on prostitutes as it would make it hard or impossible for pimps or traffickers. Other factors that can usher in a paradigm change relates to polygamy, robot-sex (technology), basic income, religion, etc.
Prostitution is a cash business, receipt-less and generally not centralized, meaning customers pay the WG directly, rather than the brothel operator. The government will collect more than they used to but I doubt the government will come close to collecting even 10% of the action. To get 40% of the action is unrealistic. That level of enforcement would be too expensive in terms of manpower. The
If German government really wanted to crack down on tax avoidance and underreported income, they would move to a cashless society like the Nordic countries. Moving to a cashless society would not only allow the German government to collect more tax money, but would probably result in cost savings. Fewer tax authorities, customs agents, police, military need to be hired.
http://www.ibtimes.com/cashless-global-economy-might-reduce-organized-crime-terrorism-lipow-251501Exactly. Name me one country where tip earners pay tax on their cash tips. And that tipping culture has been the major source of income for hundreds of millions of people for decades.
TorrentChief
10-27-17, 19:57
Exactly. Name me one country where tip earners pay tax on their cash tips. And that tipping culture has been the major source of income for hundreds of millions of people for decades.In the USA, where there's a heavy tipping culture, there's an assumption in that tips in restaurants may be in cash and not on the credit card. Tips in restaurants can average 10-20% per meal price or more depending on the restaurant and server. Because cash obviously can't be tracked, the IRS requires that the server claims a minimum of 10% of their gross sales as taxable income for tax purposes. It's in indirect way of taxing cash tips. Servers highly prefer cash tips because then they only have to claim 10% of their gross receipts, credit card tips are claimed in the full amount of the tip. The worst night for a server in the USA Is a long night of higher than average credit card tips.
This would certainly hurt prostitution and all other cash businesses which are cash not just due to convenience but due to privacy.I could imagine mongers going to REWE and using their credit card to purchase a stack of 50 EUR Amazon gift cards. Then proceed to FKK and use that to pay the WGs.
The ECB has had zero or even negative interest for a while now. While this doesn't necessarily result in negative interest for end customers, it could, and has in rare cases. As long as there is cash, people will withdraw their savings if the interest is negative. Like you said, the negative interest rate has not impacted normal consumers yet. But even if it did, the country with the lowest rates is Switzerland, and they are at negative 0. 75 percent. So keeping 10000 CHF parked in the bank for a year would only cost 75 CHF. Negative interest rates won't be permanent, only until deflation corrects itself.
If they were to move to a cashless society, it would probably be gradual. They would phase out the 500 EUR note first. Then the 100 EUR note. Then the 50 EUR note.
Good point and link. As all transfers from the girls onwards to the pimps would get tracked, the naysayers would loose their main argument against this.Pimps are transferring that money up the organized crime chain. And that money gets re-invested into their drugs and weapons trafiking businesses. People involved in illicit activity prefer the anonymity of cash because they they don't want to be tracked. The 500 EUR note just makes transferring and storing cash that much more efficient and easier for them. As the article explains, the the 500 EUR note is nicknamed the "Bin Laden" due its popularity with terrorists and criminals.
Pimps are transferring that money up the organized crime chain. And that money gets re-invested into their drugs and weapons trafiking businesses. People involved in illicit activity prefer the anonymity of cash because they they don't want to be tracked. The 500 EUR note just makes transferring and storing cash that much more efficient and easier for them. As the article explains, the the 500 EUR note is nicknamed the "Bin Laden" due its popularity with terrorists and criminals.Except its not money. Its currency.
Horny Harry
10-28-17, 10:00
If they were to move to a cashless society, it would probably be gradual. They would phase out the 500 EUR note first. Then the 100 EUR note. Then the 50 EUR note.You think so? I'm not so sure if they have enough time left for that.
My guess is that when the next serious crisis comes (1998 LTCM, 2008 Lehman's) the central banks won't be big enough to bail out 'the system' anymore. In 1998 LTCM was bailed out by the banks, in 2008 the banks were bailed out by the central banks. When the next crisis hit, who is going to bail out the central banks? Perhaps the IMF with digital SDR's based on some sort of blockchain? I think what will happen then is a Big Freeze (similar to Cyprus) where all banks are closed, while the authorities are working feverish behind the scenes to wipe the slate clean and will have to start something completely new like going cashless, perhaps even in combination with things like a basic income etc.
Many people can, correctly IMHO, see the totalitarian writing on the wall (see my comment below) in a cashless society, so I think the people will have to be 'shocked' or 'scared' into the digital slaughterhouse. As the saying goes: "never let a crisis go to waste."
I could imagine mongers going to REWE and using their credit card to purchase a stack of 50 EUR Amazon gift cards. Then proceed to FKK and use that to pay the WGs.Well, I agree with you that women love to shop, but I seriously doubt that a girl can spend all her income in Amazon. 😂 Think about it, are they in turn also going to pay their rent or mortgage payments with AMZN gift cards? Or car payments? Or the grocery bills? Or insurance?
Gift cards are usually not refundable for cash (neither digital nor physical cash), and even if someone would be able to 'launder' stacks of gift cards back into digital cash, sooner or later the taxman would start to wonder about why someone always deposits E5 k worth of gift cards on her checking account. Remember, when everything is digital or cashless, the taxman is also digitally informed about all deposit, and 'cash' deposits of thousands of Euros in the form of gift cards will be highly suspicious. Everything will be interlinked.
In a digital- or cashless society there is no more privacy anymore, that's what makes it so bloody dangerous.
p.s. how will you explain to your wife or partner when she sees that you buy hundreds of Euros worth of gift cards every month (especially close to an overseas trip) and yet she never gets a fucking gift card from you? 😂 Again, just remember that everything is digital, so all she has to do is look at the checking account to see where the money goes. Your wife will have roughly the same powers as the taxman: every transaction will have to be accounted for. There is no more cash, not even cash to buy a pack of chewing gum.
You're not going to be able to siphon off E50 cash here and E50 cash there in order to have a nice handful of cash to pay for your hobby anymore.
Many people can, correctly IMHO, see the totalitarian writing on the wall (see my comment below) about a cashless society, so I think the people will have to be 'shocked' into a digital slaughtering pen. As the saying goes: "never let a crisis go to waste. ".
Korea and Nordic countries already conduct 80% of their transactions cashless. Most developed countries (except Germany) are at 60%. Last year, India took the largest rupee notes out of circulation. Overnight 85% of the currency became void and people had to exchange their large notes for smaller notes. Will it take a crisis to get these societies to abolish cash completely? Maybe.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/cashless-countries-belgium-denmark-uk-france-kenya-black-money/1/812384.html
Gift cards are usually not refundable for cash (digital of physical cash), and even if someone would be able to 'launder' stacks of gift cards back into digital cash, sooner or later the taxman would start to wonder about why someone always deposits E5 k worth of gift cards on her checking account. Remember, when everything is digital, the taxman is also digitally informed about all deposit, and 'cash' deposits of thousands of Euros in the form of gift cards will be highly suspicious. Everything will be interlinked.
Some proponents of cash argue that going cashless will only deter criminals and terrorists in the short-term, meaning they will adapt their methods. Instead of robbing banks, they will just hack into them.
"And given how international terrorist networks have become, they use the banking system in a large part of their operations, not cash, which is too risky, visible and slow to transport over long distances. So depriving these networks of cash will have little or no effect on peace and law enforcement. If it did, they would simply resort to online currencies, such as bitcoins, over which governments have no control. ".
http://www.dailycsr.com/cashless-economy-crime-terrorism-fraud-freedom/
In a digital- or cashless society there is no more privacy anymore, that's what makes it so bloody dangerous.
You're not going to be able to siphon off E50 cash here and E50 cash there in order to have a nice handful of cash to pay for your hobby anymore. 😮Even if cash is never abolished completely, there is definitely a push to be "mostly cashless", which means anyone who prefers paper money in the future, will automatically arouse suspicion. It will be assumed that they are either purchasing drugs or prostitutes. For sure, going cashless or "mostly cashless" will make being anonymous harder, but hopefully not impossible. Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer system and based on cryptography, so big government will have difficulty shutting it down. The only way a Bitcoiner can be detected is if the government goes to the online merchant and requests the payer's shipping address and email.
Polyamorist
10-28-17, 12:40
Korea and Nordic countries already conduct 80% of their transactions cashless. Most developed countries (except Germany) are at 60%. Sabaah an-nuur, McAdonis. A cashless society means greater governmental control, which means a big decline in prostitution. For this reason, I am at a loss to understand why anyone on this board would support the attack on cash, unless they can back it up with a really solid blockchain argument.
Could it be that Germany's success with FKKs owes a lot to its slowness in moving over to the cashless society? In Sweden you've got the opposite situation, so anyone who loves cashless should go and monger there.
Sabaah an-nuur, McAdonis. A cashless society means greater governmental control, which means a big decline in prostitution. For this reason, I am at a loss to understand why anyone on this board would support the attack on cash, unless they can back it up with a really solid blockchain argument.
I am not in favor of going to cashless society. But it could be imposed on us. If certain societies are already accepting cashless, then it's possible it can be implemented elsewhere. As mongers, we have to accept that we are in the minority. We may not have a say in this matter. Some believe that cashless would allow governments to collect more tax-money and simultaneously reduce spending. The writing may already be on the wall.
Horny Harry
10-28-17, 13:33
Sabaah an-nuur, McAdonis. A cashless society means greater governmental control, which means a big decline in prostitution. For this reason, I am at a loss to understand why anyone on this board would support the attack on cash, unless they can back it up with a really solid blockchain argument.I completely agree. Anyone on this forum who even remotely thinks that a cashless economy is a good thing is like a turkey voting for Thanksgiving.
Could it be that Germany's success with FKKs owes a lot to its slowness in moving over to the cashless society? In Sweden you've got the opposite situation, so anyone who loves cashless should go and monger there.Na, it's just that Sweden is an incredibly politically correct country where, and I'm truly sorry to start about this again (😉 ), the left has been in power for decades. Monger in Sweden? Where? Or were you being sarcastic?
Radical left wing feminists with a severe frustration and hatred against men have moved up the chain of power in areas like in journalism and politics, and have been able to push the public opinion that every man that visits a prostitute is a rapi!$t. So as a result and in order to 'protect' women, Sweden has outlawed prostitution many years ago. You can thank the left for that one, similarly like the left is restricting prostitution in The Netherlands as I previously reported.
It's a myth that 'the left' is in favour of prostitution, it has existed for many centuries in Europe, long before the whole concept of "left" and "right" was conceived, and prostitution has mostly been tolerated in Europe even during times when the society as a whole was a lot more conservative.
What's not a myth however is that 'the left' believes in social engineering, controlling and collectivising a society in every detail, like financial transactions and taxation, and that many ideas of 'the left' are usually 180 degrees opposite to libertarians who believe in personal responsibility, low taxes, low government meddling and a lot of privacy.
Is anyone therefore surprised that Sweden is already mostly cashless and has outlawed prostitution? &
I am not in favor of going to cashless society. But it could be imposed on us.That's why it's very important to raise people's awareness about this. It's also more than just prostitution, it's also being able to buy some cigarettes, fuel for your car etc, because when all payments must be done digitally it's also a child's play to track somebody's location.
Everybody (incl. someone's wife) can easily find out that you fuelled your car at 15:45:51 on the 1st of October at fuel station XYZ in Frankfurt, and then bought a pack of cigarettes, mouthwash and chewing gum in Darmstadt at 16:31:25 at a DM located at ABC street, and then bought E300 Euro worth of gift cards at 17:02:56 at a REWE at DEF street in Darmstadt.
Can you already imagine the questions when a suspicious and-or controlling spouse is looking through the bank statements: "what were you doing in Darmstadt honey, I thought you were in Cologne for business? And why did you buy me all those gift cards? " Oops!
To echo HH. If one objects to a society where every move is traced, one is told "You don't need to worry if you abide by the law". If every movement is traced or all the power is in the hands of the state and anything, even if legal, can appear to be suspicious and evidence of being the wrong kind of person: merely being in certain areas at certain times can be evidence of intent to do wrong.
Why do the Police in any follow up of accusations seize mobile phones as their first option. There may be no evidence so they search location, financial transactions, and web history in the hope of finding something, however unrelated to the accusations, which can be made to stick. Who of us can be sure we haven't broken some law, however arcane it may be.
One's wife will be really happy to know that on one evening one made half a dozen 50 euro purchases.
p.s. how will you explain to your wife or partner when she sees that you buy hundreds of Euros worth of gift cards every month (especially close to an overseas trip) and yet she never gets a fucking gift card from you? 😂 Again, just remember that everything is digital, so all she has to do is look at the checking account to see where the money goes. Your wife will have roughly the same powers as the taxman: every transaction will have to be accounted for. There is no more cash, not even cash to buy a pack of chewing gum. If I had a wife as obnoxious as that, I'd divorce her. And block-chains can be made in many ways.
"Na, it's just that Sweden is an incredibly politically correct country where, and I'm truly sorry to start about this again (128521;), the left has been in power for decades. "
Was true, but not anymore. For the last few decades, left and right have been swapping back and forth like most places.
Note that there is a consensus on this among political parties in Sweden. When the right parties came to power, there was not a word about making prostitution more legal. It is not a right-left thing in Sweden.
Member #4581
10-28-17, 20:45
I am not in favor of going to cashless society. But it could be imposed on us. If certain societies are already accepting cashless, then it's possible it can be implemented elsewhere.
.No one is imposing cashless. Some societies may be more cashless than others, but it is not accurate to say it was imposed on them by the governments. Those societies may be naturally predisposed to such trends. And there is no place which is rejecting cash in any purchase or transaction, unless it is an ecommerce transaction. In China in the last decade, use of Alibaba and Tencent payment systems has exploded up but that is not a government imposition, it happened because consumers preferred these ecommerce and mobile commerce transactions for a variety of reasons some of that naturally happened because ecommerce itself increased very fast in China and the increase of cashless was a consequence.
Yes, on the whole governments may prefer cashless as an easier way to conduct their business but so far none of them outlawed cash. This cash to cashless trend is for the most part being driven by consumers themselves.
I too prefer cash (especially for this aspect of my life, for obvious reasons) but broadly speaking, the move from cash to cashless is an inexorable trend. Been going on for a while. First it was using credit and debit and other cards, then mobile payments, and the likes of PayPal, Venmo and other payment mechanisms. Perhaps even Bitcoin in the future, to make Pistons happy 😃
Horny Harry
10-28-17, 22:53
Was true, but not anymore. For the last few decades, left and right have been swapping back and forth like most places.
Note that there is a consensus on this among political parties in Sweden. When the right parties came to power, there was not a word about making prostitution more legal. It is not a right-left thing in Sweden.I don't know if you noticed, but the differences between 'left' and 'right' have considerably blurred over the last 2 decades. It's basically one big Harikrishna happy family now. Why do you think so many voters are so frustrated? It doesn't matter which traditional party you vote for.
Joschka Fischer (Greens) goes to the US to fill his pockets, Gerhard Schroeder goes to Russia to fill his pockets, Angela Merkel wants to outdo the Greens with her social engineering plans, the Conservative Party in the UK is just as socialist as Labour, and the US has become a bigger police state under Obama who has persecuted more whistle blowers than all presidents before him. The 'liberal' Guy Verhofstad (EU parliament) is pleading for a European army, and the 'liberal' Mark Rutte in the Netherlands is pushing through more and more dragnet surveillance than the DDR communists could have ever wished for.
It doesn't matter who's in power, the direction of the society has only gone in one direction: more government control, more taxes, more social engineering, more migration, more economic engineering, more debt, more money printing, less liberal, less libertarian, less personal freedoms. Traditional political parties are all the same dude, same shit different name. Why do you think The Establishment gets so nervous when an outsider (Trump, Italy's 5 star movement, Podemos in Spain, Wilders in Holland, Nigel Farage in the UK, Front National in France) threatens to disturb their total control of the political spectrum? To me it's clear that Western society has been drifting more and more more towards things that are traditionally leftwing: government planning and total control from cradle to grave. Fascism (collectivism, everything controlled by the state) is not something that is exclusively reserved for right wing regimes. The communist USSR was fascist in every sense of the word.
Do you honestly think that the public opinion for prostitution is favourable for either the women or the customers involved in this day and age of mass hysteria about BLM, #metoo, and 'refugees?' Our little hobby is under severe threat, be it from cashless economics or the public opinion that 'all men are sexists and are at rap!st$, and I think that the thin end of the wedge has been firmly inserted already.
Here are three shockingly fascist quotes from an alcoholic Luxembourgish 'Christian Democrat' who is currently the president of the EU Commission:
"We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back."
"If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue'."
and,
"Monetary policy is a serious issue. We should discuss this in secret, in the Eurogroup [...] I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious [...] I am for secret, dark debates."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Juncker
Citizen Kane
10-28-17, 23:23
Here are three shockingly fascist quotes from an alcoholic Luxembourgish 'Christian Democrat' who is currently the president of the EU Commission
And who can forget;.
"When it becomes serious, you have to lie. ".
No one is imposing cashless. Some societies may be more cashless than others, but it is not accurate to say it was imposed on them by the governments. Those societies may be naturally predisposed to such trends. And there is no place which is rejecting cash in any purchase or transactionIn Sweden, many restaurant, bars, and cafes do not accept cash.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/10/imagining-a-cashless-world
Member #4581
10-29-17, 04:03
In Sweden, many restaurant, bars, and cafes do not accept cash.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/10/imagining-a-cashless-worldYes, there are also many places in Shanghai etc where only Alipay or Tenpay are getting accepted and not cash. So, there are a few exceptions but by and large cash is the most accepted payment. Outside the developed markets and China, if you step away from the big cities, it is more or less cash for the most part.
In any case, the point is that it is not imposed by any government. In the Shanghai or Beijing restaurants and shops where only mobile wallet is accepted, that's because almost all customers have Alipay or Tenpay and hence the merchant has switched to that payment exclusively. It is not because Xi Jin Ping dictated to those merchants.
But the New Yorker article is on the mark. I think this trend to cashless is an inexorable trend, and will not be derailed. May be prostitution will be one of the few areas where cash still finds usage. The article mentions marijuana but forgot to say anything prostitution.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/16/business/china-cash-smartphone-payments.html
Too much noise in this thread now I feel. What matters is not the way they do it, but what they want to achieve. The PR apparatus does the rest, and the fools will waste their time discussing 'noise'. This can be said about everything in society. And sex is definitely one such thing. The most important topic discussed behind closed doors is population numbers. Probably 90% of every decision made revolves around that issue if you track it.
In any case, the point is that it is not imposed by any government. In the Shanghai or Beijing restaurants and shops where only mobile wallet is accepted, that's because almost all customers have Alipay or Tenpay and hence the merchant has switched to that payment exclusively. It is not because Xi Jin Ping dictated to those merchants.
Scandinavia is much further along:
The Chamber of Commerce of Denmark has also proposed to allow most retailers (except for essential services like hospitals, post offices, etc.) to make all money transactions electronically and ban cash. Moreover, the Danish government has "set a 2030 deadline to completely do away with paper money. ".
There are other articles about senior citizens in rural areas needing to drive 120 km to find a bank that will accept a cash deposit. Places that continue to accept cash will be the exception. But yes if you want to split hairs, you are right, the government has thus far not imposed.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/cash-electronic-money-scandinavia
May be prostitution will be one of the few areas where cash still finds usage. The article mentions marijuana but forgot to say anything prostitution.
If other countries reached even the current Swedish level of adoption, the question that needs to be asked is: will cash be stigmatized? Will young WGs want the scarlet letter that comes with cash in their purses?
Member #4581
10-29-17, 14:23
WGs would most likely prefer cash. Anonymity, tax evasion, etc.
As for most countries moving in the cashless direction again, it is something that's been going on for a long time. If I look at the amount I spend per month, cashless has been greater than 90%for a long time. The big ones likes mortgage, car payments are automated bank payments for most people. So much purchasing has moved towards Amazon and other ecommerce over the years. In store, it has been card. Where do I use cash? Even for a lunch at the deli, it has been card or mobile for the last several years, taxi is uber now, etc. I still see some old people writing checks at the store, and even fewer people taking out a 50 to pay, but that's a rare sight. This is a natural trend, and yet cash has not been "banned". People here like to peddle conspiracy theories, but my shift from cash to cashless happened because I went in that direction myself and no one pushed me, and I think that's true for most consumers in developed countries.
In the Indian example you gave, they banned some notes, but also began circulating an even bigger note. Certainly no government has stopped printing paper money yet. Don't think they will it is one of the few things most governments can do with reasonable competency.
Even if societies eventually move to 100% cashless, it would be a while before German FKK girls stop taking cash. Not in my mongering lifetime. I would not fret it.
Apart from FKK world and Mainhatten and Dolce vita and Samya, can anyone list the other places with a VIP room preferably with a jaccuzi?
BigBuddy69
10-29-17, 18:28
Sixsens, maybe Finca erotica.
ExpatLover
10-29-17, 19:09
Sixsens, maybe Finca erotica.Shark also.
Rogue Nation
10-29-17, 19:41
Apart from FKK world and mainhatten and dolce vita and Samya, can anyone list the other places with a VIP room preferably with a jaccouzi?Oase. Sharks.
Apart from FKK world and mainhatten and dolce vita and Samya, can anyone list the other places with a VIP room preferably with a jaccouzi?Acapulco Gold has some rooms with Jacuzzis.
Citizen Kane
10-29-17, 21:56
Apart from FKK world and mainhatten and dolce vita and Samya, can anyone list the other places with a VIP room preferably with a jaccouzi?Sharks and Oase do.
Sharks and Oase do.What about Artemis?
Plus is there an extra charge?
I'm particularly interested because I'm doing my first Ever visit to an FKK at Artemis next Tuesday.
Apart from FKK world and mainhatten and dolce vita and Samya, can anyone list the other places with a VIP room preferably with a jaccouzi?Oceans and Wellcum too in addition to those mentioned both has rooms with jaccuzis. The Wellcum VIP room has an especially large jaccuzi.
Citizen Kane
10-30-17, 18:19
What about Artemis?
Plus is there an extra charge?
I'm particularly interested because I'm doing my first Ever visit to an FKK at Artemis next Tuesday.Of the 27 (I think) clubs I've visited over the years, Artemis isn't one of them. Probably never will unless 1) I have another reason to visit Berlin or 2) some more decent size clubs open up in that area. It's like 4+ hours from the other FKK hubs and IMO one club doesn't justify that amount of transit time.
Of the 27 (I think) clubs I've visited over the years, Artemis isn't one of them. Probably never will unless 1) I have another reason to visit Berlin or 2) some more decent size clubs open up in that area. It's like 4+ hours from the other FKK hubs and IMO one club doesn't justify that amount of transit time.Or 3) when you start to like silicon porn babes or 4) when you want to visit a tourist trap where girls try to upsell to tourists ;)
Citizen Kane
10-30-17, 18:52
Or 3) when you start to like silicon porn babes or 4) when you want to visit a tourist trap where girls try to upsell to tourists ;-)As I've never been there I can't really slag the place off, but from what I've heard, it's not my kind of club. That said, if I happened to be in Berlin for some reason I would check it out so I could form my own, reasoned opinion... before storming out, ungepopped, in a pissy mood.
Of the 27 (I think) clubs I've visited over the years, Artemis isn't one of them. Probably never will unless 1) I have another reason to visit Berlin or 2) some more decent size clubs open up in that area. It's like 4+ hours from the other FKK hubs and IMO one club doesn't justify that amount of transit time.I flew to Artemis special to see one girl. Just before I arrived she retired from the business after ten years at the top. Disaster. My previous visit I drove ten hour round trip from Dusseldorf to see her, just for a chat on a sofa. One girl might be worth a trip, but no club is worth even an hour detour if there is no top quality girl.Especially Artemis
Rogue Nation
10-30-17, 22:25
I got to see her again at Artemis. Wasn't the same girl she used to be at World, so maybe better not to see her again and to keep the memories.
I flew to Artemis special to see one girl. Just before I arrived she retired from the business after ten years at the top. Disaster. My previous visit I drove ten hour round trip from Dusseldorf to see her, just for a chat on a sofa. One girl might be worth a trip, but no club is worth even an hour detour if there is no top quality girl. Especially ArtemisI would return to Artemis just to have sex with Lilia if I knew for certain that she was going to be there when I arrived. No question that one girl can make it worth the trip to any particular club if she does it for you. Even at Artemis!
ExpatLover
10-31-17, 08:17
I flew to Artemis special to see one girl. Just before I arrived she retired from the business after ten years at the top. Disaster. My previous visit I drove ten hour round trip from Dusseldorf to see her, just for a chat on a sofa. One girl might be worth a trip, but no club is worth even an hour detour if there is no top quality girl.Especially ArtemisSorry for you, for sure Artemis is not worth to drive even 1 kilometer, you could have give a try to FKK Leipzig, I was there this summer and it was a disaster but on a German forum they are saying the club is improving a lot.
I got to see her again at Artemis. Wasn't the same girl she used to be at World, so maybe better not to see her again and to keep the memories.You were around at World as long ago as me then?
Rogue Nation
10-31-17, 11:51
You were around at World as long ago as me then?Guess so. My first visit was on their opening day.
Polyamorist
10-31-17, 12:41
The most important topic discussed behind closed doors is population numbers. Probably 90% of every decision made revolves around that issue if you track it.Alaykum assalam Pistons! Global contraceptives:
1. Condom distribution, esp. To poor countries.
2. Plummeting sperm counts.
3. Feminism / puritanism.
4. The obesity epidemic.
5. Diversions like porn and our hobby.
What else?
As I've never been there I can't really slag the place off, but from what I've heard, it's not my kind of club. That said, if I happened to be in Berlin for some reason I would check it out so I could form my own, reasoned opinion... before storming out, ungepopped, in a pissy mood.It's a big club where you can find anything on a busy day. Average number of girls are higher than at Sharks (although peaks are lower). So even if its got a bad reputation, you won't run out of options. Too bad the food there is about as bad as it gets, the lounge is way too smoky, and if you don't know the atmosphere, it can be some mines to hit. Still, the club has just as many top girls as any other German club.
Alaykum assalam Pistons! Global contraceptives:
1. Condom distribution, esp. To poor countries.
2. Plummeting sperm counts.
3. Feminism / puritanism.
4. The obesity epidemic.
5. Diversions like porn and our hobby.
What else?2. Its really about environmental toxins. Especially in the home, such as washing powder on your clothes, soap on plates, knives and forks etc. Anti-fungi chemicals in paint and in the air we breathe kills our own useful microfungi as well.
6. Vaccines (more side effects than real effects. Pluss you get heavy metals like aluminium and quicksilver in your brain causibn a bloated brain and messing up your immune system, forcing it into overdrive. And allergies to peanuts and later other types of foods).
7. Technology (especially computer / mobile screens omit dangerous radiation which also messes up your hormone levels, especially on the eye, causing sleep deprivation).
8. Chloride and pesticides in water and food kills of the good fungi in your bowel, causing candida overgrowth and a leaky bowel.
9. Toothpaste has many harmful toxins. Aluminium among others which also gets stuck on the brain. Much the same as the effects in 6. In addition parkinson and other neurological diseases can be attributed to these metals too.
10. Gay and lesbian rights.
11. Urbanisation. Fertility rates are allways lower the more densly populated city you live in.
12. TV and technology distribution. Takes away our attention from fucking and raising children.
13. #MeToo is all about scaring people away from flirting. Making them afraid of being rejected.
14. Religions are all about increasing the population count in order to win wars. (It is and allways was the only reason). The fight against religion, and especially the most extreme one of them (islam) is thus an effort to stop this mentality. The idea is that we need to take in muslim immigrants in the west in order to have them infused with liberal ideas they themselves then can export back to muslim countries. Simply because wars are futile and was never ment to be won. They were only ment to cause immigrant numbers to rise.
15. Drugs, sugars and alcohol all messes up your dopamine levels.
Etc etc. (I deffinately forgot some).
And interestingly enough I think the powers that be, might also want prostitution. So they are not against brothels at all. Thus we have nothing to worry about. Just take one of their instruments such as Amnesty International as an example. They are fighting to legalize prostitution everywhere. And they will win. It doesn't matter how many old / fat women are against it because in this respect, it does indeed bring about divorces and a lower fertility rate. The feminists thought they had a backing, but this is purely a case by case situation, and they are getting fucked in the cornhole in this regard. Sucks to be them!
But the by far biggest instrument to lower population growth is the banking system. Everything else pales in comparison.
Horny Harry
11-01-17, 11:19
When girls start to realise that getting registered at the tax office means 'sharing' 20-40% (it's not just income tax but also paying high social premiums) of their income with Puff Mutti Merkel, many girls will either want to leave or go underground. The smart ones are the ones that realise that now, and want to leave early in order to beat the crowd rushing for the exit.
Suppose that by July 2018 things turn out to be not as bad as expected with the taxes, then a successful girl can (if she wishes) always easily come back since she had a regular client base and word will quickly spread (through ISG and other forums) that she has returned to Germany. On the other hand, if things turn out to be disastrous for the remaining girls, then the girls who have left got themselves a 6-12 month head start before the competition finally wakes up and also wants to leave Germany and move to Austria, Switzerland or god knows where. The 'early adopters' will have established a new customer base and the 'not-so-smart' girls who stayed behind in Germany will have to fight an uphill battle to get some of that market share in Austria or Switzerland.
For successful and good-looking girls it makes a lot of business sense to try something new before the 1st of January 2018. They are smart and realistic, as the new requirement to get registered at the tax office (and thus pay German taxes + social premiums) will not magically disappear. The socialist Utopia will always need more and more and more money, that's a fact. Rumour has it that Trinity (Estonia) has left GT and is relocating to Switzerland. Does trinity read ISG, or is Trinity perhaps a smart girl with a good service who doesn't like to wait like a deer caught in the headlights for the German tax Office to run her over?
Keep on closing your eyes that this world is rapidly changing (look up "Normalcy Bias" keep on ignoring the facts, keep on shooting the messenger, and keep op reporting me to the moderators.
Last one out, please turn of the light of your FKK club.
Polyamorist
11-01-17, 13:43
But the by far biggest instrument to lower population growth is the banking system. Everything else pales in comparison.Na Uzo Billah, sad day! How so?
Na Uzo Billah, sad day! How so?Because of how money (or at least official currency) is created through debt, and how there are always more debt in existence than there are money (or official currency). This makes sure that some people will always fail and go bankrupt. It is thus built into the system that the economy is a system of musical chairs where one chair is removed at each song.
Polyamorist
11-02-17, 23:06
Because of how money (or at least official currency) is created through debt, and how there are always more debt in existence than there are money (or official currency). This makes sure that some people will always fail and go bankrupt. It is thus built into the system that the economy is a system of musical chairs where one chair is removed at each song.Well, if the banking system is impoverishing us then it is encouraging population growth not curbing it. There is a negative correlation between income and fertility.
"And if ye are in doubt. Then produce a surah of the like thereof. " (Quran 2:23).
Well, if the banking system is impoverishing us then it is encouraging population growth not curbing it. There is a negative correlation between income and fertility.
"And if ye are in doubt. Then produce a surah of the like thereof. " (Quran 2:23).I am not sure the negative correlation has to be purely about wealth. I know that is the general idea these days, but it could be that it is more about knowledge. Then you also have the middle income trap. And we know security such as health and state benefits also helps (France). The negative correlation might only be where they either don't know better (how to manage wealth, and how to not have kids), or where the child is basically used as an economic safety net once you get older, because the society allows them to make enough money to care for their parents. But that is when they are so poor that they basically don't spend money on anything other than food. Once they get told to buy other stuff, they end up in the middle income trap, and that's where the fertility rate is the lowest.
Concerning the fear that bjs have changed these days and that BBBJ is no longer the norm: well, I have found, to my delight, things to be unchanged and everything is as it has always been. BBBJ still seems to be the default mode, at least this is my experience at Sharks and Oase during recent visits.
For example, over the past 3 days, I've had six 1-hour sessions with different girls: 4 at Sharks (3 with known regulars of mine and one with a new girl) add 2 at Oase (both with new girls, including one with a very hot 19-year old Brand new to the business). In each case, without any prior discussion or negotiation, the girls self-initiated BBBJ as normal.
Why were there weeks and weeks of speculatory (bullshit) doom and gloom posts about the disappearance of this beloved service?
BigBuddy69
11-04-17, 12:42
In my last Phg visit, one girl tried to sell it to me as an extra. I heard that in samya covered in the norm so we have to stay firm if we want to keep the BBBJ standard.
Why were there weeks and weeks of speculatory (bullshit) doom and gloom posts about the disappearance of this beloved service?Two clubs isn't a huge sample size. And it's still too early to declare victory I'd say.
If WGs realize that they can maintain their income levels without providing this beloved service (or only provide this beloved service to their best paying customers), than that it is exactly what they will do.
ResidentOfMars
11-04-17, 14:51
When girls start to realise that getting registered at the tax office means 'sharing' 20-40% (it's not just income tax but also paying high social premiums) of their income with Puff Mutti Merkel, many girls will either want to leave or go underground. How are the girls avoiding paying taxes now? What do they do with the cash? How do they deposit this cash into bank accounts without raising flags?
Member #4581
11-04-17, 15:51
Concerning the fear that bjs have changed these days and that BBBJ is no longer the norm: well, I have found, to my delight, things to be unchanged and everything is as it has always been. BBBJ still seems to be the default mode, at least this is my experience at Sharks and Oase during recent visits.
For example, over the past 3 days, I've had six 1-hour sessions with different girls: 4 at Sharks (3 with known regulars of mine and one with a new girl) add 2 at Oase (both with new girls, including one with a very hot 19-year old Brand new to the business). In each case, without any prior discussion or negotiation, the girls self-initiated BBBJ as normal.
Why were there weeks and weeks of speculatory (bullshit) doom and gloom posts about the disappearance of this beloved service?Agree completely. Well, this was true for me at Sharks where with the exception of one single girl every session contained a BBBJ. Some with regulars, some with new girls to me, some with girls new at any FKK.
In July, we went through endless series of discussions and arguments to the effect that even an oblique reference to BBBJ in these threads on ISG could do irreversible damage to BBBJ forever. People who dared to argue against such blanket bans on free speech were called idiots, renegades and traitors to the rights of male species.
Now I see guys openly writing reports about obtaining BBBJ in clubs, naming names. When I wrote a report, I actually respected the opinion of those self appointed regulators and cut out reference to BBBJ and merely said blow job; but other men are writing very clearly "xyz girl gave me BBBJ or even (in the Dietz thread) fucked me bareback. And as far as we can tell no repercussions occurred, whatsoever. In some clubs some girls are not giving BBBJ and in some other clubs many girls do give BBBJ, but after 4 months *no link* has been established between the writings here on ISG and happenings in the clubs.
I will be soon be visiting Berlin and plan to visit FKK clubs.
I have heard that in some of them Asians are not welcome. Can you please advise the ones which I should target.
Neurosynth
11-04-17, 23:34
Why were there weeks and weeks of speculatory (bullshit) doom and gloom posts about the disappearance of this beloved service?Because they ignored my posts to the contrary.
The lack of BBBJs is a red herring compared to the risk of girls no coming back next year.
Rogue Nation
11-05-17, 13:32
Why were there weeks and weeks of speculatory (bullshit) doom and gloom posts about the disappearance of this beloved service?Because in some clubs CBJ only is the norm now. Or BBBJ just for regulars as the clubs are kicking girls out if they do BBBJ.
ExpatLover
11-05-17, 20:03
Because in some clubs CBJ only is the norm now. Or BBBJ just for regulars as the clubs are kicking girls out if they do BBBJ.I don't believe this is true, the competition between the clubs is extreme the management is quite happy if the girls provide BBBJ to keep or attract customers but officially they will say only CBJ.
Neurosynth
11-05-17, 20:58
Because in some clubs CBJ only is the norm now. Or BBBJ just for regulars as the clubs are kicking girls out if they do BBBJ.Can you cite specific incidents you have personal knowledge of? Because I've not heard of girls actually getting kicked out for BBBJ behind closed doors. Or otherwise for that matter. If there really are clubs doing this to their workers it would be good to name and shame them. Then let an informed marketplace take care of it.
Everything was speculation.
From reports I have read on this forum and from PMs it is clear that the law has been a trigger for changes to the availability of BBBJ. Any comment that it has disappeared completely or alternatively has been unaffected by the new law would be flying in the face of such evidence as there is.
Member #4581
11-06-17, 00:48
The argument from the net. Regulators was mainly that posting here on ISG would lead to bad things, and hence we should stop referring to BBBJ and other activities pronto. It was not that the law would change the status quo or not. Not by me.
So these statements are just revisionist history. We can see what was said by just scrolling back a few pages.
I will be soon be visiting Berlin and plan to visit FKK clubs.
I have heard that in some of them Asians are not welcome. Can you please advise the ones which I should target.Never heard of that. I thought Asian are always welcomed.
The argument from the net. Regulators was mainly that posting here on ISG would lead to bad things, and hence we should stop referring to BBBJ and other activities pronto. It was not that the law would change the status quo or not. Not by me.
So these statements are just revisionist history. We can see what was said by just scrolling back a few pages.And by reading the posts here on ISG so far, we definitely don't have any results ready from this little experiment. What may be more important than manager decisions (and after all, the managers have nothing to do about the girls as they don't work for the clubs) is how the girls react. I wouldn't want to be a girl who gets told by her friends to hold back services, only to still do it in order to gain repeats. But then that somebody goes online and writes about it.
Member #4585
11-06-17, 08:32
The argument from the net. Regulators was mainly that posting here on ISG would lead to bad things, and hence we should stop referring to BBBJ and other activities pronto. It was not that the law would change the status quo or not. Not by me.
So these statements are just revisionist history. We can see what was said by just scrolling back a few pages.Agreed. You are right. You are right.
BadinSweet
11-06-17, 08:59
The lack of BBBJs is a red herring compared to the risk of girls no coming back next year.I second this. More girls I talked to are having a second thought about coming back to Germany next year with the registration. Two of my favorites already quit and one more probably won't come back after the new year (depending on the registration process).
Because in some clubs CBJ only is the norm now. Or BBBJ just for regulars as the clubs are kicking girls out if they do BBBJ.This one club, I won't name names, the boss even told the girls to only preform BBBJ! The boss is afraid that they will lose customer traffic and told the girls that they should / need to do BBBJ. If there is a complaint and they find out that the girl provide CBJ, the girl will be fired.
Badin (nice piece of info, thanks), Bitumen, XXL
To speculate a bit more, I agree that registration next year could lead to bigger changes, but we will have to wait and see. My back up position could be to encourage favourite girls to work in my country :D
Jnpr.
As for what to report post July 1, I still think it is inadvisable to report on activity which is illegal, so I still hold the opinions I previously posted should anyone scrolll back. I was in my recent post just noting the current situation in reality, not seeking to resurrect this issue of what to report: this subject was done to death, and we all here are entitled to our own views. Me= no regulator:) just a guy with his 2 cents
Cheers all.
How are the girls avoiding paying taxes now? What do they do with the cash? How do they deposit this cash into bank accounts without raising flags?Safety deposit box could be one option.
How are the girls avoiding paying taxes now? What do they do with the cash? How do they deposit this cash into bank accounts without raising flags?In Germany banks do not report that much compared to other EU country. Besides, there's western union (small sums sent by different people to dozens of different "cousins and uncles"). Last but not least, driving back with cash.
This one club, I won't name names, the boss even told the girls to only preform BBBJ! The boss is afraid that they will lose customer traffic and told the girls that they should / need to do BBBJ. If there is a complaint and they find out that the girl provide CBJ, the girl will be fired.A club manager can only fire one girl who is also an employee of that club, and in that case, he would have to pay social security taxes for that girl. Is he doing this? Girls who pay admission, can't be employees. A club manager is not allowed to tell the girls how to work. What does the girl do if the client prefers CBJ? Does she say to the customer, "No, that's not possible because the manager said I should violate laws!" I think that's very thin ice.
Member #4581
11-06-17, 13:30
Since one half of BadIn's favorite duo happens to be my fav as well, I am not thrilled with the turn of events. That said, general attendance reports still suggest numbers are holding up. Locals and experts who attend frequently can verify or contradict this.
Bitumen. I think you were concerned that real changes in attendance and quality of service might happen from Jan 1. I hope I didn't misrepresent your view?
Member #4585
11-06-17, 20:26
Since one half of BadIn's favorite duo happens to be my fav as well, I am not thrilled with the turn of events. That said, general attendance reports still suggest numbers are holding up. Locals and experts who attend frequently can verify or contradict this.
Bitumen. I think you were concerned that real changes in attendance and quality of service might happen from Jan 1. I hope I didn't misrepresent your view?From what I can see the quantum of girls is still holding up. This is a good thing.
Yes, one concern I do have is when the registration does really become mandatory where girls may not enjoy being registered as a working girl on a German record for the police or other authorities to see. We possibly may see a drop in girls waiting to see how far the registration goes.
There is also the possibility that with less girls that the services may become more restricted as there is less girls. Meaning a buyers market becomes a seller's market. Still speculation at this point but I think these new rules, particularly registration, have a long way to run before the full effect becomes apparent.
Member #4585
11-06-17, 20:28
In Germany banks do not report that much compared to other EU country. Besides, there's western union (small sums sent by different people to dozens of different "cousins and uncles"). Last but not least, driving back with cash.Driving back to Romania is the most logical way and most common way I have heard from girls for moving piles of cash across the border.
It would be how I would do it as well. Back in Romania you can keep it in cash.
Citizen Kane
11-06-17, 20:41
Safety deposit box could be one option.A girl I know at World got caught sending too much money home digitally. She was investigated and wound up with a 17 K tax bill. From now on she says she's storing the lot in a safety deposit box.
Citizen Kane
11-06-17, 20:48
The argument from the net. Regulators was mainly that posting here on ISG would lead to bad things, and hence we should stop referring to BBBJ and other activities pronto. It was not that the law would change the status quo or not. Not by me.
So these statements are just revisionist history. We can see what was said by just scrolling back a few pages.I think the board has more or less regulated itself. There have been few posts where BBBJ etc has been directly linked to an individual girl.
ExpatLover
11-06-17, 21:10
A girl I know at World got caught sending too much money home digitally. She was investigated and wound up with a 17 K tax bill. From now on she says she's storing the lot in a safety deposit box.This is nothing new, and with the new law the girls will have to pay far more income taxes, today just 25 euros per day. Every year several girls are getting controlled and fine at the airports because they have more than 10000 euros in cash.
Member #4581
11-07-17, 00:18
A club manager can only fire one girl who is also an employee of that club, and in that case, he would have to pay social security taxes for that girl. Is he doing this? Girls who pay admission, can't be employees. A club manager is not allowed to tell the girls how to work. What does the girl do if the client prefers CBJ? Does she say to the customer, "No, that's not possible because the manager said I should violate laws!" I think that's very thin ice.Why does the club manager need to give any reason to fire a girl? "You are fired". No reason provided. Does he have a manager above him who is checking his hiring and firing decisions and the reasons for such decisions?
I don't know about the employee thing. He can definitely deny permission to a girl from plying her trade. He is the manager, he decides who gets to work in the club and who doesn't no matter if it is an employee or contractor.
Why does the club manager need to give any reason to fire a girl? "You are fired". No reason provided. Does he have a manager above him who is checking his hiring and firing decisions and the reasons for such decisions?
I don't know about the employee thing. He can definitely deny permission to a girl from plying her trade. He is the manager, he decides who gets to work in the club and who doesn't no matter if it is an employee or contractor.He can probably ban girls from entering the club, but he cannot fire them. Since they never were employees or contracted legally with the club in the first place.
ResidentOfMars
11-07-17, 00:55
Driving back to Romania is the most logical way and most common way I have heard from girls for moving piles of cash across the border.
It would be how I would do it as well. Back in Romania you can keep it in cash.But don't they eventually have to spend it on some big ticket items? Like buying a house. Won't the authorities check where the money came from?
Or investments. Cash is fine for a few years, but the girls plan on keeping it in cash for retirement years?
Why does the club manager need to give any reason to fire a girl? "You are fired". No reason provided. Does he have a manager above him who is checking his hiring and firing decisions and the reasons for such decisions?
I don't know about the employee thing. He can definitely deny permission to a girl from plying her trade. He is the manager, he decides who gets to work in the club and who doesn't no matter if it is an employee or contractor.Hello jnpr3 o, unfortunately English is not my native language, but I try to answer you as well as possible. I agree with you in many things. I mainly referred to this part of the post of "BadinSweet".
The boss is afraid that they will lose customer traffic and told the girls that they should / need to do BBBJ. If there is a complaint and they find out that the girl provide CBJ, the girl will be fired.To dismiss a WG or deny entry, on the grounds that she had refused BBBJ, whereupon there were complaints, I find difficult.
Imagine what she could do.
This is something like a police officer being fired because he is not corrupt.
It is also no longer possible to complain as a customer at the reception, because a girl only wants to blow with rubber. I would not do that.
The law says BBBJ banned and not banned CBJ.
I do not want to question the decision-making power of management. But I would not fire a WG because it lives up to the law. Another reason should already be there, I agree with you.
Above all, a manager has to take care of his operating permit in order to be able to receive customers at all.
I think a lot of people here want to have fun in these clubs in the future as well. This is how I am.
BadinSweet
11-07-17, 04:43
A club manager can only fire one girl who is also an employee of that club, and in that case, he would have to pay social security taxes for that girl. Is he doing this? Girls who pay admission, can't be employees. A club manager is not allowed to tell the girls how to work. ...I wish this is the case but I think we all know that in reality it is not. Let's forget about this "meeting" that this manager had with the girls for a moment (and this was coming from three separate girls who are not friends with each other and they told me the exact same thing). For example, we know that most of the club required the girls to stay specific hours, til specific time like at closing, etc. Or how they cannot arrive in front of the club with their boyfriend, fish (pimp), or whoever giving them a ride. The girls pay admission don't they? But yet, they are required to do certain things.
Also, like Jnpr30 said, "fired" might not be the term they use but they will "deny" the girl to come back to the club.
BigBuddy69
11-07-17, 07:01
I think I know the club you're talking about and my friend heard the same thing from the boss himself.
And in another famous club of NRW, the boss told clearly to the girls that he didn't like the new law because the CBJ would make them lose customers.
Citizen Kane
11-07-17, 07:50
Why does the club manager need to give any reason to fire a girl? "You are fired". No reason provided. Does he have a manager above him who is checking his hiring and firing decisions and the reasons for such decisions?
I don't know about the employee thing. He can definitely deny permission to a girl from plying her trade. He is the manager, he decides who gets to work in the club and who doesn't no matter if it is an employee or contractor.The manager can refuse entry to anyone, male or female.
Rogue Nation
11-07-17, 11:05
There is a club with a penalty for the girls if they do BBBJ. How to find out? I don't know. If a girl is caught repeatedly she'll be fired. That's what management is telling the girls making it harder to get BBBJ. At least for non regulars. Doesn't affect me.
Why does the club manager need to give any reason to fire a girl? "You are fired". No reason provided. Does he have a manager above him who is checking his hiring and firing decisions and the reasons for such decisions?
I don't know about the employee thing. He can definitely deny permission to a girl from plying her trade. He is the manager, he decides who gets to work in the club and who doesn't no matter if it is an employee or contractor.Hello Jnpr30,
Unfortunately English is not my native language, but I try to answer you as well as possible. Basically, I agree with you. But mainly I referred to this part of the "BadinSweet" post:
The boss is afraid that they will lose customer traffic and told the girls that they should / need to do BBBJ. If there is a complaint and they find out that the girl provide CBJ, the girl will be fired.To dismiss a WG or deny entry, on the grounds that she had refused BBBJ, whereupon there were complaints, I find rather difficult. Imagine what she could do. This is something like a police officer being fired because he is not corrupt. It is also no longer possible to complain as a customer at the reception, because of a girl refused to give BBBJ. I would not do that.
The law says BBBJ is banned and not CBJ is banned.
I do not want to question the decision-making power of management. But I would not fire a WG because it lives up to the law. Another reason should already be found, I agree with you. Above all, a manager has to take care of his operating permit in order to be able to receive customers at all. I think a lot of people here want to have fun in these clubs in the future as well. At least, this is how I am.
I do not know the club which you are talking about, the competition in NRW must be very very high. I would not judge at all that the realities regarding the entry of the girls are likely to be different than they are outwardly portrayed by some clubs. Illegal employment is also a much bigger thorn in the eye of the legislature than a few customers who insist on blowing without a condom. Among other things, the new law, the obligation to register, is intended to prevent such things.
The girls should be free in their decisions and they are allowed to know that.
Please message me the BBBJ club, thanks.
I wish this is the case but I think we all know that in reality it is not. Let's forget about this "meeting" that this manager had with the girls for a moment (and this was coming from three separate girls who are not friends with each other and they told me the exact same thing). For example, we know that most of the club required the girls to stay specific hours, til specific time like at closing, etc. Or how they cannot arrive in front of the club with their boyfriend, fish (pimp), or whoever giving them a ride. The girls pay admission don't they? But yet, they are required to do certain things.
Also, like Jnpr30 said, "fired" might not be the term they use but they will "deny" the girl to come back to the club.
What is going on the week of Nov 14th? Impossible to find a hotel in Dόsseldorf!
BigBuddy69
11-07-17, 18:28
What is going on the week of Nov 14th? Impossible to find a hotel in Dsseldorf!There is a messe, I had to come the 17th November.
Hello Jnpr30,
Unfortunately English is not my native language, but I try to answer you as well as possible. Basically, I agree with you. But mainly I referred to this part of the "BadinSweet" post:
To dismiss a WG or deny entry, on the grounds that she had refused BBBJ, whereupon there were complaints, I find rather difficult. Imagine what she could do. This is something like a police officer being fired because he is not corrupt. It is also no longer possible to complain as a customer at the reception, because of a girl refused to give BBBJ. I would not do that.
The law says BBBJ is banned and not CBJ is banned.
I do not want to question the decision-making power of management. But I would not fire a WG because it lives up to the law. Another reason should already be found, I agree with you. Above all, a manager has to take care of his operating permit in order to be able to receive customers at all. I think a lot of people here want to have fun in these clubs in the future as well. At least, this is how I am..2 NRW clubs just say to their girls they don't want complaints from clients, not more. Girls also want to get business to get money. Win win deal between clubs and girls, but girls can of course provide CBJ to who ask for. In these clubs, no upselling for BJ.
Banana Boi
11-07-17, 18:40
The NRW hotel prices start to get out of whack on Nov. 11. I postponed my trip due to the inflated pricing that week.
BigBuddy69
11-07-17, 19:35
Medica: https://www.messe-duesseldorf.com/.
ExpatLover
11-07-17, 19:54
The NRW hotel prices start to get out of whack on Nov. 11. I postponed my trip due to the inflated pricing that week.Move to Hessen.
The registration requirements are mandatory from January, but are voluntary before then. I have been told that girls who have registered have been visited at their place of residence by the authorities, checking on whether the girls are having to pay money over to pimps. That is the way it was put to me. Registration didn't seem to be any worry for the girls concerned.
Member #4581
11-08-17, 00:35
There is a club with a penalty for the girls if they do BBBJ. How to find out? I don't know. If a girl is caught repeatedly she'll be fired. That's what management is telling the girls making it harder to get BBBJ. At least for non regulars. Doesn't affect me.Is management telling girls to provide BBBJ to regulars but not to the non-regulars? Or is it the girls who are taking it upon themselves to flout management instructions when it comes to regulars but following the same instructions when they go with non-regulars? How is the girl getting caught repeatedly, or even caught occasionally?
PDP - your English is fine. As for the points you raise: ofc the manager doesnt need to provide the real reason for letting a girl go. Or may be he does but with no witnesses, in which case its his word against the girls.
It'd be interesting to see what other clubs do in response to the club BadIn referred to. They can copy the said clubs policy in an effort to retain their market share, or they can comply with the new law and risk losing some market share; or they can rat on the said club to the police if they think it will do them some good.
BadinSweet
11-08-17, 07:25
Optimist, as you stated, the registration is voluntary now. So, of course the girls you talked to do not worry or concerned about the consequence. The one that have not registered, some of them are afraid of the repercussion of when they get a normal job later on in life. I don't think it's really explained to them, or even us, how the data will be used, which countries and whom will have access to this data. My favorites told me that they are afraid, for example, when they get pulled over by a cop, custom, etc. With their family with them, and then the authority ask about what they do / did etc.
PumDiPum, I hear what you are saying and I wish it is the norm. For the record, I don't even care much about BBBJ so, this rule doesn't even affect me. I was just surprised to hear that this "big" club had such meeting with the girls. I guess when it is the bottom line profit they are dealing with they don't care about the girls.
DrPoon, you have no PM capability. But if you look at clubs I visit, you can probably guess it.
ExpatLover
11-08-17, 08:05
The registration requirements are mandatory from January, but are voluntary before then. I have been told that girls who have registered have been visited at their place of residence by the authorities, checking on whether the girls are having to pay money over to pimps. That is the way it was put to me. Registration didn't seem to be any worry for the girls concerned.It seems that in some lander it is already compulsory if you want to change club for example in Bayern or NRW.
BadinSweet. Yes, the girls who are really worried are likely to put it off, exactly for the reasons you say. My main interest was to hear that the authorities were doing home visits.
Cheers.
The registration requirements are mandatory from January, but are voluntary before then. I have been told that girls who have registered have been visited at their place of residence by the authorities, checking on whether the girls are having to pay money over to pimps. ...Bad news indeed. I take it the visitors themselves do not believe in the pimp charade. They might as well say they've come to check whether girls are not growing magic mushrooms under their kitchen sink. The purpose of those visits was most likely to ascertain that these addresses were not fictional, ie that girls really "lived" there, really paid a rent etc. Such checks are already in place in Germany regardless of prostitution. These rents the girls now have to pay will have to be compensated one way or another. Authorities also want to make sure the number of people registered at a given address is commensurate with that address's housing capacity. I doubt 10 girls registering as tenants of the same room would wash.
I told one of my regulars in Munich I wouldn't mind her registering at my downtown rented flat in Munich for free if it were not for the fact that when I left the country she would be entitled to stay there and if she defaulted on the rent I would have to pay as the rental agreement is on me. The girl said "anyway it wouldn't be good for you because they would say you're a pimp". I hadn't thought of that one but she must have been right. If I don't require the girl to pay me any rent she is a cohabitant, ie I'm her boyfriend/pimp. And if we are both adamant we sleep in separate beds and I'm no getting any money from her they infer I'm still getting paid in sex so I may be in for a charge of sexual abuse. If I have her pay a rent, I'm infringing the rental agreement (no "sub-renting"). These catch 22 situations surely restrict girls' options when it comes to find a cheap way of complying with registration. On the whole Germany is not a country where you can easily find workarounds for legal requirements unless the law has a gaping loophole.
Rogue Nation
11-08-17, 10:47
Is management telling girls to provide BBBJ to regulars but not to the non-regulars? Or is it the girls who are taking it upon themselves to flout management instructions when it comes to regulars but following the same instructions when they go with non-regulars? How is the girl getting caught repeatedly, or even caught occasionally?The girls are taking the risk with a well known customer as they probably trust them more to keep quiet about the illegal practice. A non-regular might spread the news within the club by talking loudly to friends with other girls hearing it or telling girls that he got BBBJ from one girl so he wants from her also. That could lead to getting caught. I am with you, otherwise it will be difficult to be caught.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.4 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.