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Biggee
All these questions have been covered in recent months. Apart from the rates in US dollars, Now, if you can't cope with euros and do the conversion then I'm not sure how you will fare. Check out the rate and then get used to working in euros and mentally converting as you go along. Basic charge in Fra clubs is 65E entry, 50 per half hour with a girl, then 50 for come in mouth, or on body, then anything up to 150 for anal (don't pay more than 50). If you need more infor about when the clock starts running and etiquette then read back over the posts for the last six months. A bit of research will help
An escort in Fra can easily cost 200E an hour, and a visit to a brothel can cost almost as much. The redlight district can appear very cheap but you will probably get poor service and charged extras
FKK girls will occasionally do overnighters. But remember they may have been working all day and there is little in it for them (apart from danger and the chance you will not turn up and they lose earning time at the FKK) You may strike lucky - all depends on the money (and in some cases if they like you) Rate is negitiable - but don't pay US rates. I would think 1000 euros too much for an overnighter. If you are lucky it could be a lot lot less
If you do a websearch you will find lots of contacts. A good starting point is ladies.de. But an FKK will take all the searching out - unless you have very specialised tastes (SM, TS, etc and other things beyond this forum's scope)
CBGBConnisur
09-21-05, 14:09
FKK clubs are your best bet if you want to party in Germany, escorts and bars are a waste of time and you will get ripped off. FKK clubs average about $65US dollars per pop, usually this includes a half hour with the woman, bbbj and kissing, daty.
Greetings,
I've been "lurking" for quite a while now and have found some extremely valuable information along the way. I do plan on posting a few reports but they are more along the lines of general information and opinions of various locations (many of which I would have never located without the help of this forum). But my lazy ass has yet to set fingers to keyboard to do so.
I would like a suggestion from other members as to how I should post the reports. Whether to make one long ass post and cross post to each discussed locale OR to make small individual post to each locale OR to break down into various topics and write 3-4 reports and cross-post? They deal with quite a few different areas, with only a little information about most.
I have data primarily concerning SW and Strip Clubs, from San Fran, Kansas City, Memphis, Nashville, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Sliddell, Biloxi, Gulfport, Ocean Springs (MS), Mobile, Pensacola, Tampa, Orlando, Atlanta, 2 very nice AMS RLD experiences and the ULTIMATE Adventure 2 German FKK's. Which the FKK is the real point of my post/question/recommendation request. If you have any questions on the areas listed feel free to pm me until I get a chance to formulate a report or three.
My question is if you could go to any FKK which one would it be ?? Now the tricky part my criteria. My first FKK was PHG and I had the most wonderfully overwhelming monger experience of my lifetime. My 2nd FKK was Palace it was also fantastic. 5 Girls each time, thank god for Vit-V. I prefered the facilities and the Warstiener at PHG much more than the Palace. I prefer the decor, "approachability" of the girls and accessibility of the Palace.
Things to consider in choosing the right FKK:
* I will have recently visited the Palace (for about 3-4 hours on a Monday Nov 7 in the early afternoon)
* I will be visiting either Oase or World on Sat Nov 12
* I need a recommendation for Friday Nov 11, 2005 from about 5pm til ...
* Picking car ( with NAV ) up in Duisburg but anywhere NE of Munich is fine ( 1st time on autobahn and with a bmw 525 no less i.e. driving will be NO problem)
* I would like beer to be available
* I am giving VERY serious consideration to a 1st time 3sum ( 2 SW taking turns, giving head doesn't count) which leads itself to the much preferable 1 hour pricing at PHG, Park Sauna or Goldentime ( side question: why is there no thread for GT? I see it mentioned quite often as part of the golden triangle, I have rtff but I may be missing it )
* I do not speak German ( some Spanish, but only polite phrases in German) I did ok at PHG, but felt awkward. Palace was much better as far as language barrier, but conversation is below beer in priorities.
* I believe I would feel too uncomfortable in a partytreff environment, but not really sure.
* Extras (anal, CIM, etc ) are not a concern
* I prefer 18 - 25
* I'm not really into "hard bodies." While I certainly wouldn't throw them out of bed, I do tend to prefer 120-140 ( pounds not Kilos ), nice C-cup or so, eyes and smile are the clincher.
* GFE w/ DFK is very important, so the better likelihood of couch action is preferable.
Thanks to any and all with suggestions, either via the forum or pm.
Thanks man , I have been reading and doing searches but i really didnt find any direct answers to my questions, I will continue to read and study and ask questions as I finally make my decisions and as usuall all info on hotels, cars and even contact info for girls ( 18 to 21 ) would be really appreciated from any members willing to share the info.. I'll figure the ero out, its pretty much one to one with the dollar.
Biggee
All these questions have been covered in recent months. Apart from the rates in US dollars, Now, if you can't cope with euros and do the conversion then I'm not sure how you will fare. Check out the rate and then get used to working in euros and mentally converting as you go along. Basic charge in Fra clubs is 65E entry, 50 per half hour with a girl, then 50 for come in mouth, or on body, then anything up to 150 for anal (don't pay more than 50). If you need more infor about when the clock starts running and etiquette then read back over the posts for the last six months. A bit of research will help
An escort in Fra can easily cost 200E an hour, and a visit to a brothel can cost almost as much. The redlight district can appear very cheap but you will probably get poor service and charged extras
FKK girls will occasionally do overnighters. But remember they may have been working all day and there is little in it for them (apart from danger and the chance you will not turn up and they lose earning time at the FKK) You may strike lucky - all depends on the money (and in some cases if they like you) Rate is negitiable - but don't pay US rates. I would think 1000 euros too much for an overnighter. If you are lucky it could be a lot lot less
If you do a websearch you will find lots of contacts. A good starting point is ladies.de. But an FKK will take all the searching out - unless you have very specialised tastes (SM, TS, etc and other things beyond this forum's scope)
Thanks man!! any hotel suggestions?
Can I assume that FKK world is located in Frankfurt?
FKK clubs are your best bet if you want to party in Germany, escorts and bars are a waste of time and you will get ripped off. FKK clubs average about $65US dollars per pop, usually this includes a half hour with the woman, bbbj and kissing, daty.
Biggee - World is near Giessen. For hotels look up hrs.de There is an English version. If you have a car the Etap near Giessen is a cheap option (37E), the Steinsgarten Beat Western (70 to 100E) in Giessen is a more comfortable option. the Grune Baum (under 20E on some nights) in Pohlheim is very cheap and walkable from World. Some members have stayed at the Altes Eishaus and liked it - mid-price, If you choose to stay in Frankfurt then there are too many options to begin to list.
If you are FKKing and want to visit all three larger FKKs the best option is to stay somewhere a bit north of Frankfurt (Frankfurt Bonames, Bad Nauheim, Friedrichsdorf) then you are within 25 minutes of all three.
If you haven't got a car then choose your target FKK for each night and stay near to it
Faust - each FKK is always changing, almost day to day, Nobody can ever tell you which of the three near Frankfurt will suit you. The only way is to try them all! As for your girl preferences - remember that being under 25 is no guarantee of good service and that some of these just rely on their looks to keep getting new clients. I think you are right to be wary of a partytreff - if you are interested try out Beverly first.
As for posting - please please divide yur post up into the relevant bits for each thread
Have a good time
Faust,
Of the big three (World, Palace, Oase), World is the only one that serves alcoholic drinks (downstairs bar), and you have to pay for them. There is some kind of beer served upstairs but never tried it (think it is light beer or something like that..anyone?)
One thing you can do at all the clubs is leave and come back without paying the entrance fee again, just be sure you mention this when you leave and you will get a stamped ticket (at least at Palace) you will show on your return. I have done that a few times at Palace, that is leave for some nice dinner and a few glasses of drink and then come back. Just be aware that if you are obviously drunk, they might not let you in. I prefer my experience to be a sober one, although a little buzz from couple of glasses of wine is ok.
Note that decent grooming, smell and behaviour are the best way to have a good experience. You might not get the best GFE if you smell like a brewery although you still might have some great fun.
As to your question: "if you could go to any FKK which one would it be?", my answear is Oase. Last spring my answear was World and last fall it was Palace and last summer it was Oase. This November my preferences will probably change once more and it will keep on changing and changing....
Chivaz
Faust,
One thing you can do at all the clubs is leave and come back without paying the entrance fee again, just be sure you mention this when you leave and you will get a stamped ticket (at least at Palace) you will show on your return.
Chivaz
The World people would not let me do this last summer. Not sure why (I am a good customer!) but they said that I would need to be back in 30 minutes.
Cheers,
Dedalus
hello everyone
I will have yet another chance to hang around int middle of germany. I was thinking FKK before I am back of to the east of germany for a long cold winter. I was thinking to check out palace as I have never been there and the ramona rumors have peaked my interest for sure:). I was curious if any of you guys might be out and about this sunday or even saturday. I have to close some things in my old home monday. Let me know! It is always great to have some tips and dicussions on the talent.
reddog
Hello again,
I must apologize if I came off sounding like a lush. My intentions are at most 2 beers before 1st session, then possibly one in-between each. Just enough to relax and enjoy my surroundings, but not enough to dull my senses. Trust me, I not not want my memories of my journey to mecca to be a blur. Not to mention, I'll be driving in Germany for the first time and I have no desire to learn the German equivalent for a DUI.
As to hygiene and manners, I've never had any issues with either, rather the occasional compliment. I have read all the negative posts about drunken British soldiers and I strongly doubt I would ever be confused with them. I'm a fairly young, not unattractive southern gentleman, at least I pretend to be.
Chivas, I really appreciate your suggestion and will definitely put Oase on my "To Do" list. I will most likely go there on Sat, as I have to be in FRA airport Sun morning. As for Friday, I'm still leaning towards one of the Golden Trio. Anyone have a recommendation of which has better couch action and larger percentage of girls able to speak, at least, minimal English.
Thanks again for all the help.
Hi Ded,
I have actually never tried it at World so I stand corrected. I have left and come back later the same day at Palace few times and I have seen it done as well at Oase, so I assumed it was ok as well at World.
Chivaz
Dear FKK specialists,
This time I have also a question to ask.
One girl asked me to take her to FKK. She has a good experience in swing clubs, but she is looking for something else. She is bi, and apart from having sex with men (which is easy to find for her), she is looking for a place where she can have also sex with women.
Is this possible in FKK? Forgive me if this question might be out op the scope of this forum, but it sounds to me a funny idea to go with her to FKK, as she happens to be also a beautiful and attractive girl.
Routard
From my observations at World there are occasional couples. Normally the couple do stay together, and sometimes go to a room with a girl. The big question is how do you know which of the girls will do a genuine bi session. Most will secretly consider this perverted, many will do a pretence in view of the money, and some will embrace the opportunity enthusiastically. I only know of one or two who are genuinely bi - but I'm sure there are many more
Your girl will find it an unthreatening atrmosphere - unless she tries to pick up any men! If you have any questionnns let me know - this is how Cordelia started out
An FKK will allow a more personal interaction than at a swingerclub.
Dear FKK specialists,
but it sounds to me a funny idea to go with her to FKK, as she happens to be also a beautiful and attractive girl.
I'm a beautiful and attractive bloke, but I still go to FKK ;-)
So you see it is not about if you can get sex by other means, but totally different thing, and each has his/her reasons such as noncommital sex, sex within a group that is having sex, sex without going through the regular pickup routine just to name a few, and I would guess that same goes for a lot of girls. In very few cases I think it is about not being able to get sex by other means.
As to the possibility for a girl entering a club, I would guess that Shiatsu is the most qualified to answer your question
Chivaz
There seems to be some inconsistency. I have recently left World a couple of times for several hours and even kept the wristband on for my return
Dear FKK specialists,
This time I have also a question to ask.
One girl asked me to take her to FKK. She has a good experience in swing clubs, but she is looking for something else. She is bi, and apart from having sex with men (which is easy to find for her), she is looking for a place where she can have also sex with women.
Is this possible in FKK? Forgive me if this question might be out op the scope of this forum, but it sounds to me a funny idea to go with her to FKK, as she happens to be also a beautiful and attractive girl.
I am sure that there are others who have more information about this topic than I do. I can tell you that I have seen couples at Flamingo Island and at Palace. I thought that this was a "no go" at Oase, but someone has recently posted otherwise.
Were I in your shoes, then I would do a "scouting trip". Head to Palace for an evening and ask around. Do the same at World and at Oase. You are sure to find a few daring Damen who will be up for such an adventure.
Good luck,
Dedalus
There seems to be some inconsistency. I have recently left World a couple of times for several hours and even kept the wristband on for my return
Shiatsu,
It must be those winning ways of yours.
For whatever reason, they did not want to let me go on that day. 'Bout the time of our last meeting.
Cheers,
Dedalus
I'm a beautiful and attractive bloke, but I still go to FKK ;-)
Chivaz
That is why Daniela and Andrea were so taken with you. ;-)
Cheers,
Dedalus
Dedalus, et. al.,
I have to agree with Shiatsu, as I have over the past year or two always requested a re-entry pass at World, and have always been met with a courteous and prompt response: "Kein Problem!" They then asked me if I wanted the wrist band removed, to which I always replied "yes." They cut it off and saved it for me. When I reentered the club, often 4 hours or more later, they then clipped the original wrist band around my new key-wristband. I got the strong impression, leaving and coming back was standard procedure, esp. amongst Staamgaeste.
So you must have either had a major misunderstanding or hit a night when some new, inexeprienced receptionist...Don't give up though. Next time try it again...
Ortos
The world in general - Just to say I plan to be at Oase and World next Wednesday and Thursday, so if anybody is there at the same time it would be nice to say hi
Dedalus - that's why most of the girls run away when they see me coming. Maybe I'm more popular with reception staff than with the girls. After all I might want to have sex with the girls and that really throws them. I always used to think I was passable - but now with Andrea gone, only Viagra will touch me.
Routard - to add to my earlier note. As for women coming in at World - there is definitely no need to worry. Never seen a couple at Oase (but I've not been there as often). There are other options but they are riskier - for example joining in at a Motto night at something like Candy or Spritzenhaus where the girls are paid and the men just pay the entrance fee. Not a swingerclub as such. I think a sympathetic FKK is a better way to test the waters
I comfirm I left Oase and came back on exactly the same way Ortos described. A girl noticed the original wrist band clipped on my key wrist band and could tell me that I left and came back. It's a normal procedure.
That is why Daniela and Andrea were so taken with you. ;-)
Cheers,
Dedalus
Ahhh, I wish. I think it was the stack of fiftees I had in my locker :-) Daniella did'nt even remember the next time I met her, but then again she is pretty confused at times.
On the subject of couples: I remember seeing an older couple when I visited Flamingo Island the summer of 2004.
Chivaz
Monkey1717
09-29-05, 10:15
Hello,
I'm going to Cologne in the new few weeks and was wondering if anyone had any FKK Clubs nearby that city that anyone would recommand? thanks:)
I tried to create a FKK FAQ on the new thread (Reports of distinction), as well as a redirection list of general FKK description.
It's not that easy, as not there are still a lot of clubs without general description (including location, opening time, pricing, facilities description, number of girls...). I could'nt find even one for Oase, so I wrote quickly one in the Oase thread. May be some of you can write also a general description
for the missing clubs in the list.
Sorry if I mentionned also my own reports, it's not that they are the best, they are simply easier to find for me.
I'm waiting forward your reaction either by PM or on this thread (General Info), as I have 2 weeks to modify. May be it is worth writing a complete FAQ again like Kaleu did a few years ago.
When did the 3 big Frankfurt clubs open? (palace,world, oase)
Routard,
I shouldn't get mad at you, because your links make me look like a genius, but my FAQ on wildenrath is more complete than yours.
Guys, I can tell you writing complete FAQ's is a tonne of Work. I am impressed enough with Routard and all the work he did finding those links.
To answer Freddy M's Questions to the best of my recollection:
I think World opened in 2002. i know I was at the opening, but I don't really remember what time of year it was. The opening was horrible, they had free entry, and a bunch of looky-loos came. the girls there were awful as well.
Oase has been around for a long long time, I think it opened in 1996 or something like that.
Palace has been around for a long time to, just not as an FKK and not under the name Palace. but the owners have had a brothel there for ages. I think they changed it to the current concept about he time that Atlantis was closing down the first time, so about 2003.
But I am open for correction by someone who wants to bother looking it up.
Guys, don't get mad if I didn't chose some of your reports. The links are not to the best reports, just to the reports that have the usefull information for a FAQ.
Peter,
I didn't really took care about the authors when I tried to find all those links to create a FAQ, but at the end, I realized that a lot of them where from you.
Your knowledge of the FKK's world is really impressive, as well as your writing style. I try to be helpfull on this board, sharing all the info I have, but I'm aware I don't have the knowledge and writing skills other members have.
Regarding Parksauna, I know there was that excellent FAQ, similar to your Happy Garden report, but I just couldn't find it. Both FAQ (Wildenrath and Happy Garden) are exeptionnal FAQ, and I found them translated in several languages on several other boards. A similar has been created also for Goldentime, but as far as I know it has not been translated in English, at least not on this board.
By the way, I remember quiet well your Wildenrath FAQ, even if I didn't remember it was yours, as it was that report that made me go to my first FKK!
I think World opened in 2002. i know I was at the opening, but I don't really remember what time of year it was.
28. May 2003.
Chivaz
Peter:
The first time I went to that particular building address in Frankfurt some years ago the place was called Paradise, and it was operating as an FKK. It was a fairly dumpy place and did not occupy nearly as much square footage as the present Palace does today. There was a smallish horseshoe bar where you could get free peanuts and soft drinks, and the main lounge area was a rectangular room next to that bar, with a bunch of ordinary red sofas for the girls to lounge on and a smallish dance floor that nobody ever danced on (at least not any of the times I was there). Porno played on a few small TV sets around the lounge and, of course, in the zimmers. It did have a little jacuzzi room in back next to the girls' dressing room with a jacuzzi that you had to climb up to get to, and I think a small boxlike sauna also. At night there was a short fat dude there who was the house masseur, and he spoke near-perfect English. He was the guy who first told me about the existence of Atlantis, and how to get there.
Comparing the Palace of today to that forerunner is like comparing a full-sized WalMart to an old rundown corner drugstore.
The women were just as hot, though.
Hello,
I'm going to Cologne in the new few weeks and was wondering if anyone had any FKK Clubs nearby that city that anyone would recommand? thanks:)FKK SAMYA : www.samya.de On this website you can see pics of the girls working there !
Enjoy your trip
I will overnight at the Frankfurt airport -- what is the nearest FKK? And if it's not very good what s the closest FKK that is good?
Thanks
Dick Rambone
10-04-05, 22:28
I will be going to Germany in May of 2006. The question is there are so may FKK's that I am not sure If I should go to Frankfurt area (Oase, FKK World, Palace) or should I go to Cologne area (Bernds-Sauna, PHG, Goldentime, Samya, etc....) It will be my first time in a FKK in Germany. I have been to the Goldetime in Vienna which I had a good time a year ago. If I go to Frankfurt I can hop on the Bahn to Baden-Baden which I really like and do some hiking and other non monger activities. Please advise.
I will overnight at the Frankfurt airport -- what is the nearest FKK? And if it's not very good what s the closest FKK that is good?
Thanks
The closest that is good is Palace (fkk-palace.de), about 10-15 minutes cab ride. Oase (www.fkk-oase.de) is about 20 minutes cab ride away. If you drive, just rent a car with navigation system for a day and visit both, then you don't have to choose which one to go to ;-)
Chivaz
Dick,
Both the Frankfurt and NWR areas have their pluses and minuses. One advantage of Frankfurt over NWR area is that in Frankfurt it is perhaps easier to navigate between one club and another. The distances are not that great and, if you know your way, the travel is easier. There is a huge gap between PHG and Bernd's, for example in the NWR. On the other hand, NWR does have a better pricing situation with the entrance fees at 50E vs 65E in Frankfurt, and the hour sessions only cost 75E vs 100E.
However, I am admittedly biased towards the Frankfurt clubs since they stay open later and generally have a vaster girl line-up. I also think clubs like World, Oase and Palace have their own unique individual vibes. Certainly, if you wanted to head down to Baden-Baden, then Frankfurt would offer a closer location...
Ortos
Dick,
This choice is more up to what you like. The clubs in Frankfurt are large factories. They have loads of girls, plenty of rooms and lots of customers. The problem can be getting someone that you want. Often as soon as she comes back on the scene someone else snatches her up and you have another 30-45 minutes to wait. Also, you are thrown into a large milling crowd of people that are sort of aware of each other and sort of withdrawn. The selection is larger but not necessarily better. The smaller clubs in NWR are more intimate and may only have 5-10 girls to choose from. Most of the time this is really not much of a problem. Bernd's is an excellent place with exceptional girls and a comfortable atmosphere. The girls are not competing against each other and actually appear to be friends. Heavens Gate is another smaller place with a good selection for a much reduced price. Either place that you go you will not leave disappointed. You should try both if you can.
Bob
I will be going to Germany in May of 2006. The question is there are so may FKK's that I am not sure If I should go to Frankfurt area (Oase, FKK World, Palace) or should I go to Cologne area (Bernds-Sauna, PHG, Goldentime, Samya, etc....) It will be my first time in a FKK in Germany. I have been to the Goldetime in Vienna which I had a good time a year ago. If I go to Frankfurt I can hop on the Bahn to Baden-Baden which I really like and do some hiking and other non monger activities. Please advise.
CBGBConnisur
10-07-05, 02:14
You can never go wrong at an FKK in Germany, I used to live in the US, and compared to North America, Germany is Nirvana for p4p, pretty much any civilized country outside of NA is nirvana. I have told most of my friends back in the US about German clubs, none of them believe me and many think its too good to be true, basically I get the same reaction of disbelief I get from Iseeu who calls me Can't Believe This Guy's Bullshit.
Frankurt is good, so is NRW. You got the argument for Frankfurt, here's the one for NRW.
You have already heard that the pricing is better, especially extra time and extra service. The number of 5-10 girls is completely inaccurate.
PHG & Goldentime generally have 30-50 girls working on any given day, and that is more than are currently working at World. Clubs like Samya, Schieferhof, and Wildenrath have 15-20 on most days.
The distance between clubs argument is not all that great either. It is a good half hour from Palace to Oase, and getting lost is easier than finding the way. Then it is another 25 minutes or so and a couple of complicated turns to get to World.
If you take PHG, Goldentime, Wildenrath, and Ying Yang, as 4 clubs. They are each less than 20km away from each other pretty much on the same street the B221. Wildenrath is open until 4 am on every day except sunday, so the longer opening hours aren't that accurate either.
Schieferhof offers a higher service level than any other club in Germany, but is not open on weekends.
IF you like hiking in Baden Baden, then you are closer, but with the ICE train it is only a 90 minute train ride from Cologne to Frankfurt, so the longer distance down south is not extreme.
Both have their positive and negatives. In May the weather might be nice and the outdoor facilities of Oase and World might be a good argument, although the garden at Goldetime is also very nice, and I am told Wildenrath will have a pool open in he Garden by next summer.
I would rank Oase as the single greatest club AT THE MOMENT, but things change quickly in the FKK game.
In the NRW area it is a necessity to rent a car. At Sixt right now you can guarantee reserve a car with navigation for €3,57 a day extra, in almost every class.
CBGBConnisur
10-09-05, 16:03
In Hessen, the main clubs are Oase, Palace, and World. In the NRW there are lots of smaller clubs. I am personally biased towards the NRW area. As far as weather is concerned Germany is not famous for its sunny climate, a few girls were green with envy when I told them I lived on a really nice beach in Sydney, Australia which is gorgeous 300+ days a year and resembles a gentler and cleaner version of Los Angeles.
Peter,
I agree with you about NWR being a good place. The clubs are smaller for the most part but quality is there for sure. I personally like Bernd's in Schieferhof for excellent service.
It may make a difference in what transportation you have. A rental car for NWR would be nice. I have done it in the past with the trains but sometimes that makes it more complicated to get from one place to another. It can be done in NWR but not as easy as in the FRA area.
Thank you for your advice.
Bob
Frankurt is good, so is NRW. You got the argument for Frankfurt, here's the one for NRW.
You have already heard that the pricing is better, especially extra time and extra service. The number of 5-10 girls is completely inaccurate.
PHG & Goldentime generally have 30-50 girls working on any given day, and that is more than are currently working at World. Clubs like Samya, Schieferhof, and Wildenrath have 15-20 on most days.
The distance between clubs argument is not all that great either. It is a good half hour from Palace to Oase, and getting lost is easier than finding the way. Then it is another 25 minutes or so and a couple of complicated turns to get to World.
If you take PHG, Goldentime, Wildenrath, and Ying Yang, as 4 clubs. They are each less than 20km away from each other pretty much on the same street the B221. Wildenrath is open until 4 am on every day except sunday, so the longer opening hours aren't that accurate either.
Schieferhof offers a higher service level than any other club in Germany, but is not open on weekends.
IF you like hiking in Baden Baden, then you are closer, but with the ICE train it is only a 90 minute train ride from Cologne to Frankfurt, so the longer distance down south is not extreme.
Both have their positive and negatives. In May the weather might be nice and the outdoor facilities of Oase and World might be a good argument, although the garden at Goldetime is also very nice, and I am told Wildenrath will have a pool open in he Garden by next summer.
I would rank Oase as the single greatest club AT THE MOMENT, but things change quickly in the FKK game.
In the NRW area it is a necessity to rent a car. At Sixt right now you can guarantee reserve a car with navigation for €3,57 a day extra, in almost every class.
Dick Rambone
10-10-05, 00:59
Ortos,Fly Bob,CBGB,Peter,
Thanks for the advice. I think I will land in Frankfurt and visit the Palace and Oase and then head for Baden-Baden where I will visit:
http://www.salon-maria.de/
http://www.lustscout.net/bellemaison/index.htm
Later will get the Bahn to Cologne and visit Bernd's Sauna.
That should get me thru one week of fun. I think the world cup is in June right? So I should not find any problems with lodging.
CBGBConnisur
10-10-05, 15:08
Dick its easier to take the Bahn to Bonn, and then the S-Bahn 66 direction Siegberg to get to Bernd's, take the stop all the way at Siegberg and get a cab from there. Its also possible to take the S-Bahn from Cologne to Siegberg.
Hi guys,
since we are at the topic of comparisons: I am in Brazil right now, and was asked which were the better places, Rio's termas or Frankfurt's FKKs. Here is my answer:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=396941&postcount=1233
Let the discussion begin!
By the way, for those of you who were always wondering what a terma is all about but never had the chance to go inside, I put a pretty long post about what it is like inside a terma here (for your reading pleasure, my friends :) )
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=396321&postcount=1217
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=396588&postcount=1221
keep it up
euro
Euro,
These are the links to your excellent reports about your horizontal samba lessons in Rio, but you forgot to mention the link to your report about your Brazilian Kung Fu lessons:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=396822&postcount=1224
Anyway, nice to have you back safe and well on our favorite thread. This is at least one thing in favor of German FKK against Rio's Thermas: Germany is a safe and developped country.
But I'm looking forward to read any comments from members having experienced both and ready to compare, as Brazil will be my next trip.
CBGBConnisur
10-11-05, 17:57
Comparing Brazil's sex scene to Germany's is like comparing a Saleen S7 Twin Turbo to a Honda Accord, the Honda gets you to point B, but the Saleen is the ultimate ride if you get my drift. The south of Brazil and Sao Paulo are the best places for pussy in Brazil over Rio. Termas in my opinion aren't the premier venues to meet women in Brazil, its the nightclubs and beaches that are key.
Okay maybe a Saleen to a Honda comparison is a bit over the top, its more like comparing a Saleen to a BMW 5 Series, the Saleen is the most amazing ride on the planet while the BMW is one of the best.
GabrielPontello
10-12-05, 08:27
Comparing Brazil's sex scene to Germany's is like comparing a Saleen S7 Twin Turbo to a Honda Accord, the Honda gets you to point B, but the Saleen is the ultimate ride if you get my drift. The south of Brazil and Sao Paulo are the best places for pussy in Brazil over Rio. Termas in my opinion aren't the premier venues to meet women in Brazil, its the nightclubs and beaches that are key.
Okay maybe a Saleen to a Honda comparison is a bit over the top, its more like comparing a Saleen to a BMW 5 Series, the Saleen is the most amazing ride on the planet while the BMW is one of the best.
tough a great fan of the FKK scene, Brazil and Fkk's are different
IMHO FKK's girls are usually more beautiful than their brazilian collegues but the attitude is far away from the brazilian one
if you a collectionist of female beauties, head to a FKK
in one night you may have many "pieces" to collect
if you like to have fun, f**k wildly and spend a longer time trying also to establish some human relationship, Brazil is your place
CBGB, GP,
I'm a true latina lover, and I only can agree 100% with your opinion about comparing Brazilian girls to FKK girls (=read Eastern European girls). When in FKK, I spend my time mostly with the latina group of girls, having fun with them.
However, anyone can have different opinion about it. Victoria, the Brazilian girl in Goldentime is for me a 9+. But when I told her that she is the most beautiful girl by far of Goldentime, she replied that it is not the opinion of most customers who prefer blonde babes, and that she just can not compete with most of Eastern Europen girls of Goldentime.
In fact, what matters most is DIVERSITY, so that anyone can find what he is looking for.
But the question is not about comparing girls, but about comparing FKK with Thermas. In fact, we try to find out here the winner of "World brothel of the year award". So please, no general opinions, just objective indications about any club in the world that could be better than the Frankfurt Top FKK.
For example, I was very impressed about the line-up of Riviera near Barcelona: more than 100 girls, with an excellent mix of Latina's and Eastern European girls. No German FKK has such a line-up, but still, Riviera can not compete with the upscale, relax, safe, clean and service-minded FKK Clubs.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=368191&postcount=366
Another example is Fazendinha near Sao Paolo. Just look at their website:
www.fazendinha.com
But I can not compare it to FKK, as I have never been there. Same for Therma's in Rio.
Once again, who can give us here the name and location of any club in the World better than the three Frankfurt FKK (and of course within the same price range)?
CBGB, GP,
Once again, who can give us here the name and location of any club in the World better than the three Frankfurt FKK (and of course within the same price range)?
Not better but close and on a good day as good: Flowers Park outside of Madrid as well as some other clubs in that area such as Club Avion. I posted trip report about those places last year where I concluded with some remarks about the comparison to FKK clubs. See http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=212101&postcount=360
What I really liked about those clubs was the illusion of picking the girls up at the bar and getting to go through the motion of undressing them etc. Same quality of girls, got GFE from most of them, and able to negotiate extras without extra cost. Price range 60e to 100e per 30 minutes, usually better deal to be had for 60 minutes. No cover charge for entry at FP, but have to pay for drinks. For those who like extras such as anal and cim, you will end up spending less at these places than FKKs, otherwise, it is pretty even at the end of the night. The Madrid places seem to be a little more relaxed than club Riviera from what I hear (have yet to visit Riviera). Rooms are better at these places than FKK (large hotel rooms with bath and shower) but lack the saunas and steambaths at FKKs. On the downside, these clubs to not open until late afternoon/early night.
Conclusion: I frequent the FKKs rather than the Spanish club scene as it is more convenient for me. If I were to choose with these clubs side by side to FKKs, it would depend on my mood at the time, but I think I would go to FKKs 70% of the time.
Never been to Brazil so can't comment on the Termas.
Chivaz
CBGBConnisur
10-13-05, 02:05
FKK girls are good but Brazil is a pussy paradise, Brazil is a multiracial country and there is a good variety of women. Places in the South of the country like Curitiba and Porto Alegre have a lot of blondes, and there are stunning blondes in Sao Paulo, Giselle Bundchen happens to be from Sao Paulo(SP happens to have a large Japanese expatriate population hence there are quite a few Asian women in the middle of Latin America!!). Argentina is even better, the real advantage of these two places is that brothels aren't the only game, if you really look at the non prostitute women in Germany they aren't so hot. FKK girls make up the top five percent of women in Germany in beauty terms. EE is a goldmine for casually meeting women. The main issue tipping the scales in Germany's favor is that its a safe and sort of politically stable country(not like the US and Britain though), your chances of returning home safe are very good. Language is an issue in Brazil, you will at least have to have some elementary command of Portuguese.
For me a big advantage of a FKK is that a large number of girls speak english. Since my spanish is limited, Argentina would be less fun. And since I know no Portuguese, Brazil would be a challenge. Plus, the crime is a real problem. Some one posted an experience where they were robbed by a bunch of thugs. This is enough to deter a visit. I think alot can be said for the Prague scene. Not quite as good as a FKK, but still very good.
The biggest advantage of a FKK is that it is safe, no planning is required and you don't have to worry about getting ripped off.
CBGBConnisur
10-13-05, 17:38
FKKs are good but outside of them I find that Germany is above average for meeting women, better than the USA but I haven't found a good dating town here like I have in SA. Get a copy of Wild Orchid with Mickey Rourke and Carre Otis, a good film about Brazil's sex scene. I wonder if the recent regime change is going to change the FKK hobby. I have even heard that the EU is trying to crack down on prostitution, ie in Sweden prostitution has been criminalized for quite some time and in Bavaria while it a has a few clubs, its extremely difficult to open such an establishment.
Gentlemen,
let me please weigh in one more time. I was the guy who got robbed at knifepoint in Rio just a couple of days ago, and I posted it. Routard gave the link just a few posts below. But that has nothing to do with a terma. You can wander around the Frankfurt redlight district as well and get into a shitload of danger, by the way.
I can take a taxi from my hotel (Luxor Continental, I recommend it highly) to terma L'uomo for only 7R to 10R (about 3 euro) anytime, and there is no danger. Inside a terma, you are at least as well protected as in an FKK. And it is also just as clean, with people running around and fixing the beds between session.
I have just posted my day 5 of my Rio stint, and I give quite a bit more details on what it is like inside L'uomo. L'uomo is the only terma I know; I am new to the terma business, but have been to Brazil many times, picking up girls at discos, boites, and the beach. There is a continuum between amateur and pro in Rio, which is hard to explain unless you have been to Rio a few times. It's not just black and white.
There are much bigger thermas in Rio than L'uomo. L'uomo has only about 20 to 30 girls working there; they are under fixed contracts and wear a bikini uniform while on duty. So the terma filters for you, only hires really good-looking girls that have their head on straight. (As opposed to a place like the famous RIo disco Help, for example, where I have brought back a couple of real fine looking pussies that turned out to be head cases in the end.) But there is enough diversity there for this monger. Any skin shade from cream through latte through capucino to espresso. Yes, the mostly only speak Portuguese, and I don't. But we try to make conversation and have a great time.
With a one-time exception, I only go to the terma with the idea of having one pop an evening. The 50 dollars or so that the girl gets for it buys her a hell of a lot more in Rio than it would in Frankfurt, maybe by a factor of 5. So she really needs to do only one pop per day to be way ahead in the game. Therefore the girls can stick around for the whole evening with a guy they like. This has become incredibly important to me, I must admit. Plus, if you are really lucky, you can get takeout service. There is a rule that the girls cannot give out contact info to the men in the terma, nor can they meet with them off duty. But a couple of time I still managed to hook up for all-nighters. (Not really part of the terma, I know, but still it counts heavily in favor of the terma vote in my book).
If you have read my posts, you have all read me gushing over FKKs. I still stand by this. And for multiple pops with multiple providers on the same day in a safe and dependable environment, I still cannot see how to beat FKKW, ColA, or Oase. But I have to admit that I also like to socialize with the girls. And there is the biggest difference. At an FKK most mongers keep the girls at a distance, because of the fear to have to commit to a pop right away. At a terma, you can grope and smooch, even DFK, flirt, make deep eye contact across the room, dance with the girls, and they will samba-wiggle their asses over your dick like you cannot believe it. And still you are not committed. Buy them a drink (real cheap, too), and they spend time with you. Remember the girls get a small salary from the terma for the purpose of socializing with me. Most Brazilian guys go only to the terma for that purpose. Us few foreigners who have the money to pop are king.
Most important at an FKK, after the pop, we all long to have the girl stick around for hours and spend time with us. But this doesn't happen, because the girls need to do at least two guys just to avoid making a fianancial loss for the day. At the terma the girl has made her money after one pop and then can afford to spend all evenign with you, letting you bask in the glory. That is what makes the biggest difference with me.
If you want to, here is the link to my report of day 5 in Rio. It also contains back links to my earlier posts.
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=397985&postcount=1262
happy mongering
euro
CBGBConnisur
10-13-05, 22:27
Germany is generally safer to monger than Brazil, I can definitely vouch for this having been to both places. There was a time I considered moving to Brazil but seeing the favelas and the dark side of the country, hell no!!! The worst thing that can happen in Australia is a pissed off koala bear might jump on you and slash you(I took an FKK girl to hold a koala in Oz and the thing went beserk on her, it was kind of funny she didn't get hurt), or you might get eaten by a great white shark. Still its quite amazing to meet the women of Brazil, gorgeous beauties practically grow on trees. As far as looks, there are lots of blondes in the South of Brazil. If you just want to meet women, Brazil, SA and Eastern Europe will be much better than any Western country.
€100,
You might yearn for the girls to hang around with you after a session. I don't!
I like the room to be the room, and I don't want to build up too much illusion. In the room I have enjoyed the latina passion once or twice, and I remember this cuban girl Anna who went the full Latina distance. But I cannot stand when it goes out of the room, and all the jealousy issues come up.
I want to be able to fuck 4 or 5 girls on a visit to a club, and not have any of them care about the other girls I fuck.
If you like the over illusion, then South America is probably good for you.
CBGB,
There is no one in germany making a push against prostitution, and it won't be on te agenda. The swedish law is due to some feminist freaks in the government and a couple of bad publicity human smuggling stories that got all the people riled up.
Germany has had some prostitution scandals in the last two years. One with a prominent Jewish TV Talk show host getting cought with some barely legal russian and polish girls in Berlin, and one with a prominent artist getting caught in a hotel room with 8 prostitutes (3 were no shows, 11 were ordered) and a bunch of cocaine. People were not outraged.
There is no popular support against prostitution in Germany. There might be people who try to shut down or prevent a brothel in their neighbourhood, but everyone thinks it should be available.
Here is a question that I couldn't find an answer for. Can anyone break down the ages of the girls at these clubs?
18-21?
22-25?
25 & up?
Actually you can post for all teh clubs that might help me nail down my places to go.
Thanks
Euro100--
Thanks so much for these fantastic series of reports. I don't know what's up with a guy like Peter who might read your long writings, which clearly took much time and effort to compile and post for our benefit, but then can find nothing better to say than critical remarks about not wanting to hang with the girls after the session...Beat's me!
I really enjoyed reading these long, detailed posts of yours and you really opened my/our eyes to the differences between the Rio Therma scene and our beloved German FKKs.
I was amazed though that during that complete 5-day (or whatever the number) stay, you were only tempted to try one small Therma instead of maybe branch out and try another, maybe slightly larger one? I mean imagine having these great nights at FKK Palace, but never going to try Oase?
On the other hand, if a place works for you, why fix it, right?
So thanks again for all that writing, details, information and impressions. They are, for me at least, esp. valuable because you look at the scene through the same background and eyes as many of us, i.e. regular World/Palace/Oase visitors. Your observations are keen and will hugely benefit any of us who might have the chance (read "wisdom") to travel across the Atlantic to Rio...
Ortos
Biggee,
It might not be in the forum, because it is a stupid question.
The lineups vary from day to day week to week at clubs.
Generally I would say that 40% of the working girls in most clubs are under 25 and 60% are over.
There are not really clubs with older and younger line ups all the time. There was a while where World was worryingly young (all over 18, but I don't like it if the club is full of 18-21 year olds), and on my only trip, Palace was pretty long in the tooth. But there is no one someone can accurately say what age group will be at a club on a given day.
Ortos,
I am not criticizing €100's report. Right now there is a general comparison of Termas to FKK's going on. The only paragraph which does not in any way represent my idea of mongering is:
"Most important at an FKK, after the pop, we all long to have the girl stick around for hours and spend time with us. But this doesn't happen, because the girls need to do at least two guys just to avoid making a fianancial loss for the day. At the terma the girl has made her money after one pop and then can afford to spend all evenign with you, letting you bask in the glory. That is what makes the biggest difference with me."
That is why I would like to state that I don't think it is a universal feeling.
It also isn't true that girls at all FKK's need 2 pops to make their entrance back. Goldentime is charging 15€ a day entrance fee, that is it (Might have raised it to 20€), PHG charges 100€ a week including sleepover, Wildenrath is at 75€ for the week, and Schieferhof is at 18€ a day. So all of these clubs you are at break even after your first pop, just like in the Termas. Frankfurt area is more expensive, but in the meantime, if you dance, Oase is only 55€, so you are pretty much break even after the first room.
ortos,
thanks for your compliment on my rio reports and the comparisons. i am trying to write detailed reports for two reasons: 1. i really like reading those when other members post them, and i learned so much from some of them; so i want to give baack to the forum. 2. writing the posts lets me releive the experience and record it also for my own benefit, allowing me to sort through my thinking and feelings, plus allowing me to come back to them later and remind me of the good (and sometimes bad) times i had.
peter,
i have not taken any offense to your remarks. you have made many informative posts in this forum, and you certainly are a senior member in the best sense of the term. you are entitled to your own opinion, i am even happy in a way that it is not the same as mine.
yes, i agree that i should not have said that "we all" like to have the girls hanging around after the pop. a few months ago i even would have agreed that making 5 pops in a single day was the greatest. and i have done exactly this kind of thing on occasions at fkkw, oase, cola (and posted about it, too). but still, looking back and reading my own posts, i can see that i was missing the connection. i have it here in rio and will extend my stay a bit. right now i am exclusively concentrating on one girls, sqt, and i am having the greatest time. it's early early morning in rio. a couple of hours ago we came back to my hotel from a wild night of dancing in a club, and then made love (as opposed to having sex) for a long time. she dozed off a half hour ago, and i cannot sleep yet. see, writing in this forum is therapeutical after all.
why did i only one terma? i don't know, but what better setup could i find. i am recognized there as one of the regulars, the girls are all pre-selected and extremely good looking, they have fun, i am having fun. sqt has claimed me, and righ tnow this is fine with me. but still, there are several other girls that i tried, and they were all excellent. if the sqt thing doe snot work out in the end, i will return to the exact same terma and try my luck again.
cheers
euro
I used to post the longer type detailed reports as well for exactly the same reasons. I like to go back through them every now and again and relive some good times. Especially when some of my all time favourites leave the game.
I am loving your BR posts at the moment, and it really is on my to do list. But I haven't liked experiences that have extended beyond the clubs. I have a real life girlfriend, who is under 30, with a 26 jeans size who is a nympho. I am not kiddig. But she doesn't live in the same ton as me, so that gives me lots of mongering chances. If she asks what the girls can do that she can't, the only answer is be somebody else.
I like the longer connection only because then you feel more comfortable with the girl and you trust yourself to get a little more uninhibited. If i want to make love I'll sleep with my ex-girlfriend, who is the only person I have really loved in quite a while. I fuck my GF with a lot of emotional attachment, and she really loves me. The girls in the club I don't want to fall in love with, or have them hanging around so I have all the baggage of dumping them.
I can't even dump a real life GF even when I don't like them anymore, how can I do that with some girl who really dotes on me in a poor country. It would really fuck my head up.
But I love that you are having such a good time.
CBGBConnisur
10-14-05, 17:19
From what I have seen, in Germany, the best fucking experiences are found in FKKs, outside of that there isn't much to find in Deutschland womanwise, I thought most of the women who were German on the street were average to above average, almost every knockout I saw was EE or from the South. Eastern Europe is a completely different story, German women as a whole don't tend to warm up quickly but the EE types are on fire. They are consistently the best women in the clubs.
Termas aren't the best scene in Brazil, Sao Paulo's nightclubs are, if any of you get a chance, check out Cafe Foto.
[QUOTE=Peter]Biggee,
It might not be in the forum, because it is a stupid question.
OUCH! Man if you don't mean to hurt someones feeling with statements like that then you need some schooling. "The only DUMB questions are the ones that you don't know the answer too". All you needed to say was: It varies from week to week, there is no way to truly judge it. That would have been the proper way to have worded it.
Vitoriabitter
10-15-05, 15:21
Hi,
I'm going to visit Dusselldorf and surrounds over there weekend 3/4 December.
I will have a car etc, so if anyone has any special advice, or wants to team up - pls feel free to PM me.
B regards,
VB
There are a number of places close by. It depends on your availability of transportation. Since you will have a car it is easy to get to Park Suana Wildenwrath, Golden Time and Planet Happy Garden. There are a number of lesser clubs in and around Dusseldorf. Check out postings for these clubs and see if one fits your desire better than another. Be sure to have a GPS to avoid a lot of wrong turns.
Enjoy yourself.
Bob
Hi,
I'm going to visit Dusselldorf and surrounds over there weekend 3/4 December.
I will have a car etc, so if anyone has any special advice, or wants to team up - pls feel free to PM me.
B regards,
VB
Hi. I have gone to OASE and WORLD several times but always on Thursday, Friday, never on Sunday. I'd like to know if Sunday is really very slow: How much girl less? Do the "stars" work on this day?
Thanks for your answers.
Peter,
Interesting thoughts and, given the FKK World situation and the events that led up to it, timely ones as well. I enjoy that company and service that these girls provide and many of these ladies I genuinely like, but I am also acutely aware of the illusion that exists and I wonder about some guys who try to see their relationship with an FKK girl (or any other working girl for that matter) as more than it actually is: sex for hire, love for sale, etc.
Those who read German and have been following the threads on the German boards have seen the trouble that this can cause. I sometimes scratch my head in wonderment as to how clueless some people can be.
BTW, I miss those long reports that you use to post on the roemerforum. Many of those were hilarious and worthy modern cable sit-com. Hey, how is that for an idea; a sit-com set in an FKK?
Cheers,
Dedalus
I used to post the longer type detailed reports as well for exactly the same reasons. I like to go back through them every now and again and relive some good times. Especially when some of my all time favourites leave the game.
I am loving your BR posts at the moment, and it really is on my to do list. But I haven't liked experiences that have extended beyond the clubs. I have a real life girlfriend, who is under 30, with a 26 jeans size who is a nympho. I am not kiddig. But she doesn't live in the same ton as me, so that gives me lots of mongering chances. If she asks what the girls can do that she can't, the only answer is be somebody else.
I like the longer connection only because then you feel more comfortable with the girl and you trust yourself to get a little more uninhibited. If i want to make love I'll sleep with my ex-girlfriend, who is the only person I have really loved in quite a while. I fuck my GF with a lot of emotional attachment, and she really loves me. The girls in the club I don't want to fall in love with, or have them hanging around so I have all the baggage of dumping them.
I can't even dump a real life GF even when I don't like them anymore, how can I do that with some girl who really dotes on me in a poor country. It would really fuck my head up.
But I love that you are having such a good time.
Sundays are fine. You have less girls and less men, I would say that the ratio can even be better on Sunday nights. The atmosphere is a bit more relaxed on Sundays, and changes are your sessions will be less hurried and a bit more intimate. Many of the top acts work on Sundays.
Chivaz
Hi. I have gone to OASE and WORLD several times but always on Thursday, Friday, never on Sunday. I'd like to know if Sunday is really very slow: How much girl less? Do the "stars" work on this day?
Thanks for your answers.
As has been said, Sundays are fine. But go with lowered expectations for sheer numbers, and given the lower numbers there might not be as many stunners.
Deda,
If I can get that "Dragon Speak" program working, I might end up with the longer posts again.
Deda,
If I can get that "Dragon Speak" program working, I might end up with the longer posts again.
Hey,
Is that multilingual?
Dedalus
Hi. I have gone to OASE and WORLD several times but always on Thursday, Friday, never on Sunday. I'd like to know if Sunday is really very slow: How much girl less? Do the "stars" work on this day?
Thanks for your answers.
World is a great place to spend a Sunday. The atmosphere and facilities make it a good "chill-out" club. The line up is usually not at all bad either.
Oase probably has the best line-up (IMHO) on a Sunday and summer and spring are Sundays are pretty relaxing and enjoyable.
I always tried to avoid Palace on Sundays as the line-up seemed pretty depleted, but my experience there last week may have changed my outlook. They had a great Sunday line-up and while many of their superstars were not around, there was enough fine talent in attendance to keep a man happy.
Have fun,
Dedalus
If I can get that "Dragon Speak" program working, I might end up with the longer posts again.
Peter,
you might want to try some free translation tools on the web. They do the job, at least approximately. Try this website:
http://translate.google.com/translate_t.
It is not perfect, but does the job. I am using it to translate into Portuguese language when I write to the girl that I met in Rio.
cheers
Euro
Here is how this website translates my message into German:
Sie konnten einige freie Übersetzungshilfsmittel auf dem Netz versuchen wünschen. Sie erledigen die Arbeit, mindestens ungefähr. Versuchen Sie dieses website: http://translate.google.com/translate_t. Es ist nicht vollkommen, aber erledigt die Arbeit. Ich verwende es, um in portugiesische Sprache zu übersetzen, wenn ich dem Mädchen schreibe, daß ich in Rio traf.
Not all that bad! But one has to use short sentences. Obviously, there is a lot to be desired, though.
[QUOTE=Euro100]Peter,
you might want to try some free translation tools on the web. They do the job, at least approximately.
QUOTE]
Euro,
You might better suggest a typing program. Peter's Deutsch is pretty darn good. I bet that he would not say no to a sexy secretary with an open mind willing to type his posts though ;-)
Cheers,
Dedalus
I am a writer at hookers.nl but i thought you might want to check out this club http://www.crazy-life.info/ small club new, but i got the best blowjob of my life, maria and selina a threesome these girls are the best, selina is 20 and very cute, small as, and nice tits, a good pussy to lick and maria is begin 30 i think but she sucks like a machine WOW sorry operator to post it here but i could'nt start a new thread.
Oh, I should have paid attention to what this program does. Now I looked it op on the web and found that it is a dictation program. I have used ViaVoice Gold form IBM, a competing product. And I never really got it to work for me.
Sorry about putting unnecessary static into the discussion. I was so busy with my newfound translation tools that my wires got crossed.
euro
It is a dictation program, and it seems to work pretty well judging by some of the reports I have seen written by it on a competing site by a guy called Jaguar. I have noticed that I am getting worse and worse at typing. It might be that I am increasingly using smaller laptops and my fingers don't like it.
My german is pretty passable, aside from a couple of capitalisation errors and a grammar problem here or there it is almost native speaker. If I were similar in Portugese I would have been in Brazil by now.
I really am not into posting on the German sites anymore, because they have gotten pretty boring. I am spending most of my time and energy on this board, and not missing too much.
I have now been on 2 FKK trips, and I have made the same mistake on both trips, that is having too much sex on the first day. Both times on the first day, I had sex 5 times, and then over the following days just didnt feel horny enough.
Id say if you are a guy over 30, and you are planning a 3 day trip, just try and do 2 or 3 girls on the first day and then you should still feel good and horny over the other days you spend there.
On my next trip i really am going to try and pace myself, in order to stretch out my complete pleasure.
Fuck it, maybe Im just getting old.
Oh and remember to stop jerking off about 3 days before your trip, so your sack is totally pumped when you set foot in heaven.
It is a dictation program, and it seems to work pretty well judging by some of the reports I have seen written by it on a competing site by a guy called Jaguar. I have noticed that I am getting worse and worse at typing. It might be that I am increasingly using smaller laptops and my fingers don't like it.
Pretty expensive software though. Will it take dictation in both English and Deutsch?
Cheers,
Dedalus
US airways has some incredible deals to Germany right now. Perfect time to plan for that FKK trip later in the year.
Does anyone have any experience renting a smart car from Sixti? How do they perform on the autobahn?
I did one of my FKK tour with an automatic AC Smart. Driving on highway was OK, the main problem was the lack of space to hide my luggage in the back of the car.
Does anyone have any experience renting a smart car from Sixti? How do they perform on the autobahn?I have used a Smart Fourtwo from Sixti once. Since I'm 2 m tall, I was slightly afraid not to fit in the car, but it was absolutely no problem. But don't bring more than a couple of small bags.
The car is OK on the autobahn. You won't maybe drive to Italy in it, but it's a real bargin to rent it at the airport and then use it to visit the different FKKs in the Frankfurt area.
Remember to book 14 day's in advance, else it won't be the 5 Euro/day fee. And you likely take the extra 5 Euro/day to have an insurance as well. Still it's nothing for a couple of day's. Sixti also demands that you clean the car internally before you return it. At least take away all garbage, else they will charge heavily.
I rent these little Smart cars all the time. Weekend rate is often 5 euro per day. It goes up to 25 euro on some days, so you have to check their website. sixti.de I have mentioned this website repeatedly.
Keep in mind that they only give you a free 100 km per day!!! And each km extra sets you back 15 cents. On several occasions I rented an extra day just for the extra km that it would give me. You gotta do the math, and you definitely don't want to drive to Italy with one of them, just for that reason.
I also rented the Volvo from sixti. Much nicer, of course. It was 350 euro for two weeks, with unlimited km. Quite a steal.
euro
Sergeant Major
10-26-05, 10:54
Hi guys,
Which FKK club is the closest to Darmstadt?
All the best.
Darmstadt is just south of Franfurt, so the closest decent club that is easy to get to is Palace.
There might technically be a closer club in Worms or something, but not one worth going to.
If you have a car head to the Frankfurt Area clubs. If you don't have a car, just ttake the train to Frankfurt and a street car to palace, which is also a frankfurt area club, but I think not as good as Oase.
Hey Guys,
I have a 18 hour layover in Frankfurt so I planned on hitting the Palace till it closes at 4am. My plane leaves at 1150 so does anyone know of a gym that would be somewhere between the airport and the Palace? Something that has lots of free weights. It would have to open by at least 6am.
Cheers
RM
Sergeant Major
10-27-05, 18:42
Darmstadt is just south of Franfurt, so the closest decent club that is easy to get to is Palace.
There might technically be a closer club in Worms or something, but not one worth going to.
If you have a car head to the Frankfurt Area clubs. If you don't have a car, just ttake the train to Frankfurt and a street car to palace, which is also a frankfurt area club, but I think not as good as Oase.Thanks for infomation. We will have a car in Germany. Actually we will rent one luckly we also have GPS to find our way out.
I think we need to visit both Oase and Palace :)
I'm going to be in DE for a couple of days and want to try the Smart Car. The problem is I have 2 huge bags plus carryons. I can try to cram them in the passenger seat. The trunk sounds like it is a glove compartment. I'll get a hotel right near the airport, so I'll only have to drive for maybe about 5 minutes with all that stuff in the car. Do you think it can be managed?
I wouldn't mind making more than 1 trip, but I don't see how I could do that since I will be by myself. Or maybe there is a left luggage area that is not too expensive?
don't worry smart is not so SMALL, i use it every single day, i live in Italy and this is the first market for smart in the world !!!!
You can put your bags, behind you, or if you need a lot of space you can also close the passeger seat
Matteo
I have arrived at the Hotel Excelsior and will be ready for some sightseeing and hopefully a visit to Palace Thursday night. World Friday and then maybe Oase on Sat. Any other mongers in town let me know, rm120 ring me and lets have some fun.
Hidden Dragon
11-03-05, 21:16
I know nothing about where things are in Frankfurt and looking at a map without any ability to read German is fruitless.
That being said; I will be in Frankfurt for an overnight layover and might be located in a downtown hotel. Where are the FKK's in relation to the downtown area and which would be the closest good one to there?
Thx,
HD
I know nothing about where things are in Frankfurt and looking at a map without any ability to read German is fruitless.
That being said; I will be in Frankfurt for an overnight layover and might be located in a downtown hotel. Where are the FKK's in relation to the downtown area and which would be the closest good one to there?
We have covered this many times, but here goes: just hop into a taxi and tell the driver to take you to FKK Palace. It's the only one of the big ones that's close to downtown, and the driver will know where to take you.
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Red Stripe
11-08-05, 08:20
I rent these little Smart cars all the time. Weekend rate is often 5 euro per day. It goes up to 25 euro on some days, so you have to check their website. sixti.de I have mentioned this website repeatedly.
Keep in mind that they only give you a free 100 km per day!!! And each km extra sets you back 15 cents. On several occasions I rented an extra day just for the extra km that it would give me. You gotta do the math, and you definitely don't want to drive to Italy with one of them, just for that reason.
I also rented the Volvo from sixti. Much nicer, of course. It was 350 euro for two weeks, with unlimited km. Quite a steal.
euroThey let you drive these things on the autobahns?
If you are going on a weekend Enterprise Rental Cars has just opened in germany and they have deals like 29,90 for the weekend in a ford Ka which is quite a bit bigger and faster than a Smart. They also let you tick off that you want automatic, but I don't think they have automatic ka's.
They let you drive these things on the autobahns?
Yes, they do. YOu can only go about 120 to maybe 140 kmh, put this is plenty fast. Most of the time on the autobahn nobody can go faster. German autobahns are always congested.
euro
Last Mohican
11-09-05, 18:57
A lot of reports on this forum report that there are minor or very little risks of STD through BBBJ. After enjoying some very nice BBBJ in FKK, I was a bit concerned and I have done some research on the internet:
The risk of contracting STD through BBBJ is not just theoretical but real !
Even if a lot of the most common STDs can be easily dealt with when identified, you should consider that if apart from the FKK you are in sexual contact on a private basis with a girlfriend or wife (who don’t expect you to have an STD) this can have disastrous effects on your private life.
Do the research yourselves it is quite easy but shocking !
Does anyone have an experience of the reaction in an FKK when you ask for covered BJ ?
Guys,
Could you please post the GPS coordinates of the FKK places you visited? I am planning on going to Germany for 2 weeks but I don't know any German. I do have a little $80 pocket gps unit that just shows coordinates and direction to the next waypoint.
Thank you,
Drjoker.
Thanks for infomation. We will have a car in Germany. Actually we will rent one luckly we also have GPS to find our way out.
I think we need to visit both Oase and Palace :)
I just ran through this link while on the net, it's list of Germany's most famous FKK's.
Check it out.
http://travelsexguide.tv/germansexguide/fkk.htm
T.
A lot of reports on this forum report that there are minor or very little risks of STD through BBBJ.
I don't recall seeing reports that claim there is little or only theoretical risk of STDs via BBBJ (but maybe I missed them). There is however only little or theoretical risk of HIV via BBBJ. I have done my studies of the subject and did post the results at: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=360011#post360011
The girls will in general be quite pleased with you asking for CBJ instead of BBBJ.
Chivaz
Here GPS coordinates of the top three FKK in Frankfurt as well as the top three FKK in Dusseldorf.
Oase N50 14 454 E8 40 659
World N50 31 712 E8 44 931
Palace N50 07 683 E8 37 557
Goldentime N51 15 803 E6 11 259
Happy Garden N51 20 080 E6 23 961
Parksauna N51 07 595 E6 11 516
What is the GPS Coordinate of Colosseum in Augsburg?
Thanks.
Here GPS coordinates of the top three FKK in Frankfurt as well as the top three FKK in Dusseldorf.
Oase N50 14 454 E8 40 659
World N50 31 712 E8 44 931
Palace N50 07 683 E8 37 557
Goldentime N51 15 803 E6 11 259
Happy Garden N51 20 080 E6 23 961
Parksauna N51 07 595 E6 11 516
I will be spending Dec. 5 to 13 in Germany pursuing FKK interests this year and have reserved a 4-door something-or-other from Sixti (fourth door could be in the roof for all I know) to get around in. A couple of those days I may be able to haul other WSG members around to FKK destinations. Definitely not Dec. 9-13 as I will be with friends then. You can PM me in the next week or so after I have coordinated things better and if the times and days work, I'd be glad to act as chauffeur - no charge. I plan on visiting FKK World, Oase, Palace, and possibly one wild night at X-Treff in Altenstadt.
whitey2
If anyone has read Whitey's post - can we just say he was the best company ever when we met him last year. (Hope we are allowed to review other isg members?)
Shiatsu and Cordelia
Upon request, although I have not visited them, and can only rely on info from my navigator software:
Colosseum N48 23300 E10 51778
Samya N50 52344 E6 59704
I have managed to sneak a very limited stop in Frankfurt on my home from Europe. I will be landing in Frankfurt around 2030. I have a hotel along the A5 in the northwestern part of the city. I figure on hitting either Oases, World, or Palace sometime around 11 and staying until 3 or 4 before heading back to the hotel for a couple of hours of sleep before my flight out.
My question is any guidance on which place is most likely to be best that time of night. I have been to both Oases and World many times, but never Palace. I know any given night is different in any of these places, but I would appreciate any tactical advice especially relative to this Thursday night, the 17th.
"...and possibly one wild night at X-Treff in Altenstadt."
I believe they have moved from Altenstadt:
Xtreff Studio
Am Schulzehnten 7
63546 Hammersbach (Langen-Bergheim)
http://www.xtreff.com
Hi guys,
In the past there have been a lot of questions about etiquette in FKKs such as what to wear, if to negotiate, how to act etc. and most of them have been promptly answered.
I want to bring up the subject of eye contact. I have, like many others (I think), been “guilty” of looking away when my eyes meet a girl that I have no intention of going with. I have rationalized this to myself as not leading the girls on and taking up their time. It is almost like a natural reaction, that is ignoring the girl. I had not given much thought about how this looks from the other end until I had a long talk about this with one of the girls.
She encouraged me not to look away, but to instead really get an eye contact and smile. It should usually not bring any extra pressure, but it would make the girl feel less, how to put it, “undesired”, and it actually was the right polite thing to do. In a FKK club you are in a social situation, perhaps a bit unorthodox one, but still you should apply your social manners in this situation just as you would in another (ok, I know this might not apply to New Yorkers ;-)
So, after this little talk, I decided to put this into practice in the place that usually has the most aggressive girls, Oase. I had so much better time, yes, some of the girls approached me as they thought I was asking them over by my eye contact and smile, but none of them did show any dislike when I explained I just liked looking at them and smile. I had some very nice encounters as a result of this.
So the moral of the story is: Don’t look away like they have a disease or something, it is not polite, actually borderline rude, and it does not do you any good. Eye contact and a smile will get you some nice surprises.
Then again, I might be the only one who has acted this way in the past, and perhaps I am "overgeneralising" (is that a word?) about this....
Chivaz
Hey Chivaz,
Very interesting. The only club where I employ the "look-away" trick is Oase. At World, Palace or PHG I am all smiles. Back in the early Oase days I was also Mr. Smiles but the girls really got aggressive over the years and it became a sort of defense mechanism. And I have to say that it has worked. There are a number of girls at Oase who are border-line scammers and who treat guests rather rudely when you turn them down. (The management could do something about this but they don't seem to care.) All of the girls at Oase who I want to avoid me do, and I don't have to go through those nasty comments that many of them make when you say "no". Rude or not, I think that "ignoring" these bad apples is the lesser of the two evils.
With very few exceptions, I can smile, flirt, laugh, joke, and even occasionally touch girls who I will not session with at Palace or World. The management at these two clubs seems to have made it clear to their female guests that crass rudeness won't be tolerated.
Your point is a very good one and I probably should try to be more "großzügig" with the happy faces at Oase. It's a hard gig and the girls are under pressure to bring home the bacon. But honestly, this is another time when I fault the management. The boss could easily set down some guidelines and rules of deportment. Most of the girls there are cool but too many have really lousy attitudes, and for no other reason than they know that they can get away with it.
Despite this rant, I will try your experiment the next time I visit Oase just to see how it plays. I will practice grinning like an idiot on Maria and Lizzy and see where it gets me ;-))
Good Topic.
Cheers,
Dedalus
I also have only recently learnt that it makes a huge difference to smile and be friendly to the girls even if you have no intention of going with them. I am going to do a further report on my recent experiences at FKKW - most of what I will talk about is partly the result of opening up conversations with the girls
One thing I have seen is girls' reactions to men who ignore them. I have seen girls pull faces behind the backs of men who are arrogant and snooty. Of course not all girls care, but I think it makes a much better atmosphere at a club if some of the men are at least friendly to the girls. And it will make the man who treats the workers as real people stand out from the milling crowd of be-towelled 50 euro notes. Of course there are some girls who will not react positively - but most will. A smile and a compliment cost nothing.
I recently posted under the World thread about my great encounters with Liza from Latvia. I can’t ever expect to experience nicer times with a paid worker in a room. But as I spent over 30 hours at FKKW there were many other things happening which crossed my mind so I want to make some comments, some of which might be of interest to someone. I put th ereport under this thread as I think it is more general in nature
As I got to be part of the furniture At FKKW I gradually got to know some of the girls a bit better – even if only to make the passing remark and smile.
Simply by being there for so long I began to see the girls as real people and the men as an anonymous mass.. Simple observation shows that the girls consider their fellow workers to be their sources of support and comradeship and that the girls value those clients who come back and those who treat them like real people.
The girls are well aware that some men come to the clubs and talk about them as if they were objects – sizing up their tits or asses etc. In the many hours I spent between sessions I saw some men swaggering about as if their ownership of 50 euros made them somehow intelligent or gave them the right to make condemnatory judgements of girls. On one or two occasions I began to feel ashamed of being a man. However this did not get out of hand because it is also obvious that many men customers treat the girls with respect and are liked by their girls. I guess what I am saying is that 50 euros may buy a body but only being a decent human being will stand you any chance of being treated with respect. This is where Chivaz’s point on the general thread about being friendly to the girls is relevant
I don’t want to give the impression that the girls are saints. As I have often said – some girls are out to get as much money as possible with as little effort as possible – putting on a melty face or giggle just so long as it takes to get a man into a room
I spent time with one worker who was having a difficult time and who will not go with me but who is happy to talk to me. I appreciated being trusted as someone to talk to.A point I made to her which resonated was that just because a girl is willing to have sex for 50 euros does not mean that she is to be treated with disrespect.
Whilst I think most, (or nearly all?) isg members treat girls with respect there are many many men who don’t. The stories are typical – men trying to take the condom off while doing doggy style, asking to have sex with no condom (this happens many days to many girls), throwing the girl around the room, trying to refuse to pay, or negotiate low rates, and even non-consensual sex. If the girls get jaundiced about the job I guess this is part of the reason why. What it does mean is that if you come across a nice girl then she will appreciate you enormously if you are kindly. I often ask the girls I go with about the job and what they usually say is that the job is good when the man is nice.
One reason I like FKKW is that I get the feeling that the management do not accept overly boorish behaviour from men or unacceptable behaviour from girls. Anybody who steps over the limits has to leave. This gives some feeling of safety and security. I am not saying that everything is squeaky clean – there is more to heaven and earth than I am aware of (or wish to be aware of)
The weather was sunny and quite warm. Sufficient for some open air melancholia amongst the falling leaves and clichéd reflections on the nature of World as a microcosm of reality. Chance encounters imbued with as much or as little meaning as real life and as much or as little as we wish to give them
And the food continues to be impossible. But that is part of the experience of being vegetarian in Germany. But I know I am not alone – I often hear girls saying how the food is appalling
Shiatsu,
I think you really have hit the nail on the head. In all of my experiences with working girls of any sort, I find the best experience is when I work at trying to please them. And even though it is a business arrangement I try to create the illusion I am seducing them. All that really means is talking to them on a true person to person basis and doing things to get them to like you. The results are generally much better that way.
And even in a FKK club, that little bit can go a long way. I have had some long conversations at World with girls I never even took to a room. I think we all like to talk a bit about our work at times. The girls there are no exception.
Despite this rant, I will try your experiment the next time I visit Oase just to see how it plays. I will practice grinning like an idiot on Maria and Lizzy and see where it gets me ;-))
Hey Ded,
Maybe we have come up with an ISG identification. A kind of retard look, smiling all the time. "Hey, there is an ISG member. You can spot them miles away by their stupid grin". I guess things could be lot worse than that.
Chivaz
Thank you Chivaz and Shiatsu for you excellent reports about how to behave in FKK. Hope it will help on educating mongerers.
Yes, I usually smile also to each girl, and if one come to me, I will always have a nice talk with her, no matter if she fancy me or not. Still, I have to add that I feel guilty taking "free" time from a girl who is in the Club for working and not for pleasure like me. I usually make it clear very soon if I don't want to go for a session. I'm embarrased for example when a girl comes to me and asks "want some company?". If I answer "yes", it's nearly if I close the deal. I admit having been for several times on session, not because I wanted sex, but because I wanted to be able to go on the conversation and learn to know better the girl. But then again, when mental chemistry is good, sex is better.
I flirt away with the women, while feeling their boobs and bottoms. I have never had any complaints for doing that in an FKK club.
Last time in Oase a month ago, I easily groped half the women there, and DFKed 3 girls and even fingered one girl who I didnt got to the room with, and none complained.
I think its important to be flirty and jokey if you are going to touch the women and then dont go to the room with them.
Oase seems to be better than Palace for free touching, cos the women are more forward. As for World i cant say cos I have never been.
Infact I feel like a school boy again when Im in an FKK club. When I was a teenager I went to a mixed school, and I used to feel plenty of girl's bottoms. God bless the 80's when you didnt get sued for behaviour like that.
I can't say i have ever groped a woman. Personally I would never feel up a woman if I was not going with her. And I've seen plenty of girls object to being DFKd etc by men who clearly weren't planning to go to a room - they did not object to the man but made it quite clear to other girls what they think of the man. I'm not saying this applies to Wan King as I have never been there with him - it could be you have such style and panache that there is no problem, but for most ordinary mortals like me....
Routard - As for taking up her time talking - I will only do that if she asks and makes it clear she wants a bit of a break from the job - otherwise I keep it short and sweet - a couple of minutes maximum. No worker wants to be followed round by men asking inane questions or sharing confidences - it stops them working. And yes - sex is better when there is some kind of affinity, when things click. Sex with someone on a different wavelength is impossible except as a mechanical exercise
Chivaz - dead right. No harm in grinning like an idiot. My dog does that whenever he sees a girl dog (he also has his tongue hanging out and his eyes rolling - I have seen some men do this as well!! - However I think I will stick at the sheepish grin which seems to come over me) At FKKW there is one man who always smiles and he is called the Smiling Man - Cordelia says he is liked by most girls
CBGBConnisur
11-15-05, 20:34
You can touch the ladies but if she puts Mr Wiggy in her mouth, you're obligated to go into the room with her. 50EUR is nothing in my experience, a good hooker where I come from can easily charge a $1000 if she is FKK level. One thing I have noticed in Germany vs. Nederland, in the latter the women are paranoid about bbbj that you will never get it. Its similar in Australia, where the women give you a penis exam before the session(the health authorities down under are anal ).
I'm not saying this applies to Wan King as I have never been there with him - it could be you have such style and panache that there is no problem, but for most ordinary mortals like me....
Ha Ha, I wish !!!
But there is a technique to a successfull grope : First put your arm around the girls waist, and wait to see if she leans into to you abit. if she doesnt or if she pulls back, move away.
But if she moves in, well i then let my hands roam around. Also if she grabs your cock, you can be assured that she wont mind you groping.
As for the kissing, 2 of the girls actually planted their lips on me after maybe a minute of groping and cock handling. What can i say..
Also if you are tempted by some free groping, start off small with some bottom rubbing. Rubbing a bottom would be considered a far lesser offence than touching a breast or a pussy. Of course you can always ask the girl before hand, most will say yes.
As I said before Oase is much better for this than Palace because the women are more forward. No doubt i will be caught out some day and some angry girl will stick her nail in my testicle or eyeball or something!!!
Wan King - ah - that sounds more like something I can do. I was envisaging you making a cold assault (so to speak). If the girl gives the green signal then you're right to go!! Sounds good
Thanks to all posters below for their comments on this ultra interesting topic: FKK Etiquitte.
Routard, thanks for your honest and open comments below about the specific question of Do-you-want-company? etiquitte in the FKKs. You write:
"I'm embarrased for example when a girl comes to me and asks "want some company?". If I answer "yes", it's nearly if I close the deal."
Where on earth did you get this from? No way does having a conversation with a girl (or two girls or three or whatever) on the couch close the deal. Niet War! As we all know, technically you are not committed to a session until the girl performs bbbj on you...and if you don't want to go have a session with a girl, you have no business allowing her to get to the bbbj stage. But just talking with her or even enjoying a few moments of intamacy on the couch does NOT in my opinion committ one to a session.
Sure we must all act in good faith and not attempt to decieve a girl or take advantage. But this whole FKK scene is one giant flirtation game, and if you and the girl both know the rules and abide by them, then nobody should be offended by a guy not going for the session after a "Do you want company" pitch is accepted. Conversely no male guests should feel pressured to go for a session if he has not behaved outside the rules. I have often taken the game beyond the first stage (i.e. the "Do you want some company?" stage) and played on just to see where it would go, and then later bailed out or even aborted the session before I crossed the zimmer (or bbbj) threshold. After all, we graduated from the Windows just so we can take advantage of getting to know the girls better before we select and being able to develop chemistry. (That's why I pay the 65E entrance fee, to be able to do this!)
Now sometimes it is a bit awkward to bail out whislt you are walking past the bar, or whatever, and you have to come up with some good excuses...but sometimes you just have to look her in the eyes and say: "I changed my mind." With a few specific exceptions, there is no contract really until the bbbj stage or until you cross the through into the room. I think if you are honest about it, it is better. For me, one of the worst mistakes I used to make was to go through with a session even though I knew the chemistry or something else between us was not right. Then I have a really shitty time, feel like you feel when you loose at poker or roullete, and this affects my mindset and ability to enjoy myself and reach good sessions later on that day/night or sometimes beyond.
Here's an example of a recent episode:
Just three nights ago I was in Oase. I was laying down on one of the couches in the big lounge room leading on to the kino, watching the girls parade in/out of kino in a horizontal position. From across the room an attractive fairly slim girl about mid-twenties with dirty blonde hair down to shoulders started to approach in my direction. I decided to lock eyes with her whilst she was still some distance away and keep the optical connection all the way through her walk towards me. She came over to me, smiled and asked "Moechtest du gesaelshaft?" (Sorry, no umlauts!)
I really did want to get to know her, because I had actually let her stroke me a bit in the kino three days earlier (she did not recognise me or remember I had met her before; no wonder: Imagine how many guys these girls chat to quickly over the course of a long weekend, esp. the Thurs so-called Frei Eintritt Tag!), and I was a bit turned on to her. She gave off vibes of possibly delivering a really strong GFE session, but I was not sure about her, indeed not even sure I was ready to make a decision to committ to a session with any girl at that point as I was still checking out the offerings on the menu that day. So I answered her: "Wie du willest," (Suit yourself) and as I said this I smiled and looked into her eyes more deeply and made room for her on the couch by sliding over a bit.
This manouevre had the advantage of getting her to sit with me, but not giving her the feeling that I was definitely interested to session. Just to talk a bit...and it gave her incentive to show me her intimate side, ja?
Over the course of the next few minutes, I played the game, speaking with her, telling her how nice she was, but how I was not sure I was ready, "I'm a little kaput, you know? Not finished for the night, but maybe I need a little more time, maybe not" --a bald lie! I had just walked in the door less than half and hour earlier! So I let her start to fondle me a bit, and accepted her light kisses and brushes of her lips against mine. I got bold for a second and let my tounge out a bit to see if she would DFK, whe started to meet the tounge but I quickly retracted my tounge and did not initiate a full kiss. (I had my answer, I thought.)
The girl's name is Sandra, btw. A good German-speaker from Poland.
Somehow, I let her talk me down from a trip to the kino: I had suggested it, but she said: "Much, much better in a more quiet place like a room." (That was a bit of suspicious information about her, and I started to get mixed feelings.) Nevertheless, I let her think I was warming to the idea of going straight to the room --whilst privately I was mulling over my encounter with her and reviewing the vibes she had/was giving off. Then she asked me how long I would like in the room: "30 minutes is much too short, an hour is much, much better, blah, blah..."
Hey, in that moment, it all crystalised for me and I knew she was not right! So from that point onwards I changed my entire posture and let her kn ow I was not interested. She looked a bit baffled for a minute and perhaps a bit hurt, but a few seconds passed and a look of comprhension came over her: She suddenly understood the mistake she had made with me, that is: To give me that session up-grade sales pitch, even before we were in the room!
Not that it would even matter if, for example, I had said on the couch: "Let's do 1 hour" but decided in the room to terminate the session, or end it naturally, with only 29 minutes on the play (room) clock. I don't think you have to pay for a full hour if you if you make a verbal declaration about going for a full hour, but in reality finish your business after only 30 minutes!
This is just one example of how you can play the game, still get that company, without committing to a session. Be honest, smile, act a little naive if you must, and let the girl decide to act like an aggressive asshole if she gets upset that you ain't parting with your money just after a chat. I mean, do you think every chat with a girl at the bar ties you down to a session? No way...
Questions for the experts:
Does DATY seal the contract where you have to pay the €50??
Or is only BBBJ??
Example: Could you sit a girl down, kiss her, suck her tits,eat her pussy etc for 20 mins and then change your mind and walk away and NOT pay any money??
What are the limits of free activity??
Can the girl complain to the management if you do this??
Does the girl have rights in this area??
I often felt I could have made my free activity last abit longer.
These may be questions for PETER, thee FKK knowledge man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But please let anyone else answer either.
cheers
Fred
Fred,
The answers to your questions are pretty obvious if you think about it. Oral sex seals the deal despite which direction it goes. Yes the girl could/should complain to the management if a male guest abuses the situation by doing what you describe.
... always works. In any interpersonal situation, I smile often. Because I like to be friendly, and because people like to be nice to friendly people.
In my rookie days at Atlantis, I tried to avoid smiling in order to prevent myself from leading girls on. So I always showed a stern look. Here is what this buys you: isolation! But that's no at all what I come to the clubs for. I want personal contact.
I forgot who it was at Atlantis, but this one girl I went to the room with really opened my eyes. After we were done, she said to me: "Dude, you are such a friendly and fun person in the room, why do you act so cold and unapproachable downstairs?" That opened my eyes to my strategic errors.
Since then I always smiled and looked with appreciation at (well, almost) all of the girls. At the FKKs this strategy has worked great for me. And the results really blew me away in the Rio termas!
There are some really really gorgeous girls walking around completely naked in the FKKs. No harm in showing them how beautiful you think they are. Yes, some of them (most of them) come over as a result. But that's good, not bad. Many times it leads to great conversations, and sometimes to sessions with girls who just win me over in the process. That's good, too, and reminds me to avoid judging the book by the cover - i fyou know what I mean.
If you really don't want to session, and if your dick has not touched their lips yet, you are still not committed. There is always the old standby: "I just got back from the room; sorry, maybe later". And the girls realize that we have only limited capacity in terms of the numbers of sessions.
euro
Ortos: Excellent report on the Gasaellshaft. I think you have it nailed.
Fred / Wan: There are no explicit rules about this, but for sure I would say that oral sex will seal the deal. There have been some encounters in the past where the guy has changed his mind after some bbbj in the main room. I remember reported instances of the girls taking the issue up at the counter and the guest having to pay. I also remember some instance of half pay for this. Anyways, IMHO you have committed to the session at that point.
There are no actual time limits of free activity. I would say it depends on what your intentions are. If you are purposefully pushing it over say 5-10 minutes without going to room, you will not be popular by the girls. You may get away with it for the first few times, but be aware that the girls talk amongst them self and you might be "labeled". As you are taking girls to room in between, this might not be a problem though if they feel they have a fair chance. There are guys coming to the clubs, just paying entrance and then never take any of the girls to room. The girls tend to learn pretty fast who those are if they are repetitive customers.
quote: "I often felt I could have made my free activity last abit longer."
Again this kind of depends on if you intend to go to room with the girl. If you are sure you will go to room, I think it is ok to stretch it a bit, specially if you are to do a longer session or some extras (guess it is kind of proportional), but if you have no intentions of going to room, I think you have to be fair. The girls have also paid entrance fees and are there to make return on that.
And then just maybe we should not analyse this do death and keep it a bit spontanious ;-)
Chivaz
You asked: "Could you sit a girl down, kiss her, suck her tits,eat her pussy etc for 20 mins and then change your mind and walk away and NOT pay any money??"
If you put it the way you do, your question sounds pretty insane! Do you really think that DATY with a girl would be OK, and you should not have to pay for it? And why would you want to do this in the first place? You don't really want to be so cheap and take advantage of a girl in this way, do you?
Here is the general rule of thumb: If the girl grabs any part of your body, you are still not committed. Light kissing is OK, even if you do not want to go to a room later. Extended DFK is not. Also, you shouldn't really initiate it either, if you do not intend at all to follow through. Tit-sucking is definitely not OK. DATY is so far out of bounds that it made me laugh when I read it.
... but perhaps that was the intent of the question ... LOL
Now, don't get me wrong. You can do all of these things, if you are prepared to follow through and go to a room with this girl later. In that case all of the above is considered regular no-charge foreplay.
But if you are seriously trying to do the things you asked, and if you are not willing to follow them up with a for-pay session, then you are ruining it for all of us. 'cause if a girl gets scammed a few times by guys like you, then she will not be as willing any more to engage in free foreplay and insist to go to a room right away. And if all girls go this way, then the FKK experience is kaputt.
euro
Friends (Chivaz, dedalus, Shiatsu, Routard, Ortos, Euro et al),
This discussion on this thread is one of the reasons why this forum is great, and before I pitch in with my 2 cents, I just want to say thanks to all of you for your frank, enlightening, lucid, entertaining and very intelligent comments.(except for Chivaz's comment about New Yorkers – we're not that bad!)
I always look into the eyes, and have opined this from the very beginning of my posts here. It's what I do outside of FKK's in my interpersonal relations with clients, colleagues, employees, family members, government bureaucrats, taxi drivers, waiters, etc. It shows an interest in the people I meet, and telegraphs a desire to understand where they are coming from and what they would like to receive in return from me. When people avert their eyes, they send a clear message that they either are not interested in communicating with me, that they have something to hide, are self-conscious about something, or fear that basic level of intimacy with me.
When I avert my eyes, I am sending the same message back, and immediately put some distance between me and them. So, if I want to bring them into my "circle of trust" (my apologies to the Robert DeNiro and the Fockers) I communicate this by looking them straight on. Try this outside an FKK environment and see the results.
When I'm at an FKK, I want to guage the level of intimacy that can be achieved with the person sharing my couch. Along the way, I make sure to compliment her on her beautiful eyes. I look for the smile in there, the mirror to the soul, that little bit of mirth, to see if she enjoys what she's doing, and what we're about to share. That's my litmus test, and other than one instance at Villa in Hannover, it's never failed me.
It’s not so much the smile on the mouth (which can be put on and taken off like makeup) as the smile in the eyes which can never lie. It shows respect for the person I'm with, an interest in their true person, not the image that their body transmits. Bodies change with time, go flabby or go south but the person inside remains true.
Now I admit that this may sound like so much psycho analytic new age hogwash. But it's difficult for me to commit for a session with an sp, without first establishing, like my learned colleague Shiatsu, a level of emotional intimacy that is the foreplay before the foreplay, and may I add, the afterplay as well. Of course if I'm occasionally in the mood for a "Wham bang, thank you mam", that's okay too and then the litmus test becomes more on the level of physical attraction than emotional magnetism.
This respect issue basically removes "cold" groping as an option, but if I am sitting with a woman and talking and we begin feeling the skin, there's nothing wrong with that for a few enjoyable minutes. I've used that "Wie du willest," line myself, and if the woman decides to sit with me without a commitment from my side, she's passed over the the first line of intimacy on her own volition and made her first step into the circle of trust.
It's all in the eyes guys. All of these women have breasts and other sundry body parts, but not all of them have voluptuous insides.
Again, thanks to chivaz for starting this, and all of the learned brethren who pitched in.
Hi Isseu,
Glad you joined in. During my first few visits to the FKKs not so many years ago, I was armed with some advice from the boards, some I forgot as soon as I entered the club dumbstruck by the sights and sounds of the place, but some stuck with me. One of those advice that stuck was actually your "it's all in the eyes" as a indication for a level of intimacy.
One of the things that keeps drawing me to girls like Gabriela at Oase is that the smile actually reaches her eyes and by that you can see it is a genuine one. The difference between a fake and real smile is all in the eyes.
I know you New Yorkers are not that bad ;-)
Chivaz
When I first went to the clubs, I headed straight for the eye candy. After being "processed" for a few times and given short sessions, I found an emotional encounter was just as important.
When you have sessioned with a girls, and she finds that you are interesting and kind, you get a much different session. She then tries to please you instead of process you. However, I understand Shiatsu when he says he sometimes wants to hide from the girls. Some expect you to session with them every time or expect you to spend 100E if that is what you spent the last time. This can be a bit uncomfortable.
Iseeu - can I feebly echo your words? "eyes. I look for the smile in there, the mirror to the soul, that little bit of mirth, to see if she enjoys what she's doing" you say
I think you are dead right about the skills needed at an FKK and those in "real" life. It's all about relationships(even if only a cash one) and integrity. My main concern after my initial FKK visits was to make sure I was not ripped off, and of course as time goes on one's expectations rise. There are of course the techniques of watching how the girls behave with clients - that way I can eliminate probably 30% of the girls. This leaves the other 70% who probably give decent service. Out of that percentage I am looking for the perhaps 5% who give exceptional sevice - and if I don't find her I won't go with anyone normally.
Like you I have found that the only way is an almost instinctive understanding from watching their body language and primarily their eyes. It is like, as I put it in posts well over a year ago, the eyes are the window to the soul, and as Chivaz says the smile only counts if it reaches the eyes. Only if I see honesty and tenderness there will I go with a girl in any expectation of a good session. If the girl has that, it is obvious like a flash of lightning - one time I saw a girl entering the FKK as I was dressed and leaving, and I turned right round and went back in, changed and had the first of many sessions with her, another time I saw a different girl who was not my "type" and I would normally refuse totally but who only had to open her eyes to say she was loving trhe job, the next time was also with a rather spotty podgy girl who also had the eyes, and lastly one very recently who I caught the eyes at a tangent and saw that she would be a good provider.
I have recently never made a mistake in assessing the quality. I guess maybe I am fortunate as part of my job is about assessing how people are, what they need and what they have to offer. FKKing is a marvellous opportunity to practice understanding people skills. Just to test myself I will occasionally go with someone who I think is only a good (not outstanding) provider (using my eye assessment and body language reaction) and have always found that to be accurate. Nobody can fake eyes or even body language - faked body language is clearly fake - what is in the soul is expressed in the body and eyes however much technique is layered over the top. Large breasts, fluttery eyes, false smiles, screams of ecstasy, can all be faked - but someone who enjoys the job and gives a little bit of themselves cannot. What counts is what is on the inside - regardelss of age, shape, ethnicity and so on
One of my favourite workers used to say to me that men only liked her body and would ignore her when she was old. Trite maybe, but true - this person would be the same person whatever age she was, and in the 20 months she was at FKK, the lines began on her face, and the muscles began to move their slow descent, but to my mind she was growing as a person and the inside was better than ever. To my mind, if I were only to go with 18 year olds then that would mean I was only the consumer of an empty body not a temporary partner with a person (the fact that it is a commercial transaction does not mean the person does not exist)
Of course the extreme logic of what I am saying is that the physical sex is only a way to get somewhere else. Now that's a paradox of a proposition to put in a discussion about how to get the best sex - best sessions comes when it's not about the physical alone. In fact I would even ask myself if in some ways the best sessions I've had have been in those every rare sessions when the closest we got was touching hands. This intense sex depends not on mechanical programmes to make a man come but on what the shared 30 minutes (or longer) experience is.
As they say never mind the width, take some time to discover the quality, which may be subtle or obvious, young or old, black or white, but always unique
Ortos and Chivaz - i won't add to what you have said in recent posts except to say that I have the same views and experiences and think you have said it exactly correctly
Kingwenslas
11-16-05, 17:32
On 15th November, Ortos wrote a section entitled “Reflecting on: Moechtest Du Gesaellshaft? ("Would you like some company?")”
He described his encounter with Sandra, the blond from Poland who is mid 20s. This thread about assessing the girls before a session is oh so very interesting, but I was particularly interested in what he said about Sandra, as I myself was there on Saturday and spent some time talking to her.
Interestingly I too did not have a session with her as our chat started very well, but there was something which didn’t add up, so I pulled out. It could have been the sob story she gave me about being divorced, it could have been how she didn’t like the management at Oase or it could have been her pessimism about other fkk clubs. But the point is that my initial enthusiasm for her ebbed away after talking to her for 5 or 10 minutes.
For those who think that I should not have taken up her time for that long, well, we were having dinner together and the first thing I said to her when she sat down was that I was waiting for someone else, but obviously I had her in mind as a possibility.
Then, when she had finished eating, she asked me in plain German “Do you want sex”, I said “Nein” and with that she went off in a huff. I later discussed her with Julie, my favourite, tall Polish girl. Julie said that she was not Polish, but Ukrainian. It certainly explained why she spoke Russian, but if a girl is going to lie about things like that, what is she going to be like in the sack? Sandra also told me that she was 32, but now I don’t even know that.
Ortos, I think I can remember seeing someone lying down on one of those sofas last Saturday. I just wish that us forum members could have some kind of way of recognising each other so that we can meet up and compare notes. Maybe other members have some ideas about how to do this?
King Wenslas
King Wenslas:
What a small world, eh? Well, I agree entirely with the last sentence of your post. But what can one do? You are not the first board member here to overlap with me at an FKK and we didn't know it, either of us. In fact it happened twice, on two separate occassions, when both Shiatsu and I were at FFKW on the same day/night, once last year and just recently last week.
I'd love to hear more about your tall Polish friend, Julie. I saw one or two tall blonde girls that I was interested in, but never got around to pursuing in a proper manner.
Interesting in the extreme to compare your experience with Sandra and mine. Personally, I would not be too upset by Sandra's (or any other girl's) attempt to mislead me about her origin. For whatever reason, she decided it was better to not reveal her true country of origin. I do the same thing, often. Fair enough, given the superficial nature of initial encounters on a couch or dining stool at an FKK. Let's not forget there had just been a raid in which they seemed to have targeted mainly girls from non-EC countries. Ukraine is a dodgy country to be from as far as immigration issues go in Germany...So how the hell does she know you are not an undercover whatever...
Anyway, very interesting that we both got some dodgy vibes from her and aborted our intention to go session with her. Just shows that we are getting more refined and educated in our selection skills...
Ortos
I just wish that us forum members could have some kind of way of recognising each other so that we can meet up and compare notes. Maybe other members have some ideas about how to do this?
King Wenslas
I've thought about this and the best I have come up with is wearing the towel backwards ;-)
Not much to go by though. Remember one time meeting up a member at Palace. Only thing we had going as of identification was the general look of our watches and brand of cigarettes. These are small things and I think I was starting to look like some kind of stalker, checking out guys watches and smokes. It worked though.
Chivaz
...she was not Polish, but Ukrainian. It certainly explained why she spoke Russian, but if a girl is going to lie about things like that, what is she going to be like in the sack?
King,
I agree with most of what you said. But why the heck would you think that everything these girls are telling you is the truth? I EXPECT them to lie, about small things and big things. Do you tell them that you are married and have three kids (just an example :)), where you live, and how old you are? Or even what you real name is? Of course not!
The girls want to guard their privacy just as much, maybe even more, than we do.
So I don't give a shit what lies they tell me. And I don't think that it has anything to do how they are "in the sack".
... of course if they tell me that I have the hardest, longest, best-looking dick that they have ever tasted, and how I made them come at least ten times, and that the session we just had was the best sex ever for them, then I know that they are telling the truth. ;)
euro
Originally Posted by Kingwenslas
I just wish that us forum members could have some kind of way of recognising each other so that we can meet up and compare notes. Maybe other members have some ideas about how to do this?
King Wenslas
I'm thinkin' maybe pink bunny slippers.
What? No?
I'll be there in FKK land in a couple of weeks. I've got a 50 euro session donation for the first ISG member I see walking around in pink bunny slippers.
whitey2
I've got a 50 euro session donation for the first ISG member I see walking around in pink bunny slippers.
whitey2
I have a standing offer of 100e to the guy that climbs the wall at Oase and tears down the fucking strobe light (or whatever it is called). Think I made the offer on another board, but will extend it to this one as I am hoping to hear news of someone climbing walls at Oase wearing nothing but pink bunny slippers and ripping that damn thing off the wall, earning 150e total. That would be a sight worth every penny.
On a different subject: Reports from the Artemis club in Berlin are not exactly pouring in. Any of you have recent info?
Chivaz
Hi all you mongerers,
Interesting thread here. Heck, when I'm in an FKK, I find it very difficult NOT to smile. I smile at everyone, and I make eye contact too. Sometimes I feel goofy doing so. I have been known to avert my gaze from girls who have made a pest of themselves to me in the past or are persistent, but usually I keep smiling at everyone and I keep moving when I'm not interested in a girl while on the prowl. It's fun to flirt, those hallway hugs and kissses and come-ons can be fun. But on the couch, sometimes I'm a softy and sometimes end up sessioning with a girl when I really don't want to and that I need to work on. Right Ortos?
But all this "eyes are the window to the soul" stuff is getting a bit analytical for my taste. I'm there to have fun and most of that is finding a girl who for me is a hottie and then seeing if I can turn her from a SW to a fuck buddie. First I see the physical appearance and I take it from there. Get close to her, chat a bit, caresses lead to kisses, That's when I see the twinkle in her eyes, when we realize we are comfortable together, can spend a good portion of a session in relaxed tender pillow talk, share small portions of our lives and personalities. I'm always honest with a girl I like and it feels good.
beffen
Beffen - Just a question of keeping a range of views and approaches into the forum. Any one post is only a small part of the possible ways of looking at things. I appreciate it may not be everybody's style, and that what I write may be a very minority approach - however as other people had already mentioned it I thought I would follow it up
I thought it was all a bit over-romantic rather than analytical. Analytical is dissecting a SP by the size of tits etc
Not all posts will be to everybody's tastes - personally there are some kinds of posts which are not in keeping with how I look at things but I would not want to comment. I like to keep discretion. For example, I do not post what SPs have said about isg members - when the SP says the isg member was horrible but the member has posted the SP liked him (and I am NOT talking about Cordelia who keeps total confidence about her clients and never tells me anything, quite rightly).
I think you have slightly misunderstood the posts - what I and others wrote about is how to get the best fun. And how to get the best connection - which is of course exactly what you are saying as well at the end of your second paragraph (I think)
So - here's something to discuss next time we meet! Look forward to saying hi again at some stage. In the meantime I promise no more "souls" for the time being!
Ortos - ok - we are set up for out third attempt. It's easier to get a girl to a room than meet a fellow isg member. When I first tried to find Beffen I approached several men wrongly and started getting worried that they thought I was trying somehting weird - after all, try this on a stranger "Are you Beffen?" (especially as I now know it's Dutch meaning)
Hi Shiatsu,
Didn't mean to demean or otherwise negate anyones approach, as you know I am also looking for that connection with a nice girl. And you know how I feel about you and your approach and sensibilities regarding the FKK game, utmost respect. Obviously your "romantic" method is just as much fun. And I too have had sessions lasting 1 hour with maybe 20 minutes of sex and 40 minutes of relax and "getting to know you" time.
Looking forward to the next meeting- are you around Dec 7,8,9,10?
beffen
Kingwenslas
11-17-05, 11:45
To Euro, Ortos, Whitey2
Thanks for your stimulating replies. OK, now I accept that it’s alright for a girl to lie to about a few things. This forum is fantastic for clarifying these issues.
And yep, we really need to work out some code or something to help identify other forum members when we are “out in the field”. How about wearing a baseball cap? I’ll keep thinking about it.
Hi Beffen - it looks like that weekend is going to be an unofficial isg party,. I will be at FKK World from 9th to the 12th inclusive and I know two other members who are planning to be there.
I'll be at the normal hotel most of the time - will you also be there? Although from experience our hours seem to be very different. I never got used to sleeping past 8.00am
So I guess it's an open invitation to anybody else to join us. I'm hoping this time to spot the very elusive Ortos
Look forward to seeing you. In the meantime I'm eating well to prepare for my four days of FKK World soup kitchen rations!
I just wish that us forum members could have some kind of way of recognising each other so that we can meet up and compare notes. Maybe other members have some ideas about how to do this?
King Wenslas
This is an interesting topic. I often wonder in FKK if other ISG members are also in the Club. It becomes an important topic, as we are 8 ISG members to meet us at FKK World on December 1st. It's an open invitation, so may be others will join us. Some have met each other allready, some not. But if one member is missing that is supposed to point others out, it could become an issue to find us.
The recognising sign must be discrete. Of course nobody wants to wear a button with:"Hi, I'm an ISG member", or a ridiculous colorfull item.
In FKK, we are supposed to have only sandals, a towel, the locker key and the wrist band. Some have personal items like watch, jewels and cigaretttes or cigars. Cigarettes or cigars are not convenient to keep, as the towels have no pockets. Hard to chose a specific type of watch or jewel that everybody should wear. Hard to wear on a specific way the towel, the sandals or even the watch or jewels.
What if we wear the locker key on a specific way: instead of around the wrist, we could attach it through the the wrist band or watch (and not the wrist itself) in a way that wristband (or watch) and locker key band make an 8. It is also a more convenient way to open the locker as there is no need to untigh the locker key from the arm to use it. I don't know if what I'm trying to explain is clear for everybody.
It's an easy sign, as we don't need to bring specific item with us, it is discrete and convenient, unusual enough to be a recognising sign but still anyone can always deny it is a ISG recognizing sign if he needs to. I'm looking forward your reaction or any other suggestion.
What if we wear the locker key on a specific way: instead of around the wrist, we could attach it through the the wrist band or watch (and not the wrist itself) in a way that wristband (or watch) and locker key band make an 8.
I like it! Will do it.
See you on Dec. 1 at FKKW
euro
Hope this helps - as the day you are all there is likely to be a quiet day it is likely that you will find each other easily enough - just keep an ear out for men using English. Even if they are not isg members they are likley to be interested.
One thing I sometimes do is e-mail a photo of myself beforehand. This may not be an option for most people but could help
Sorry that I will be missing the party, will be arriving next week and will be roaming the NRW and FRA areas all by myself :-(...LOL ! Actually have quite an itinerary of fun,, starting in Palace on the 23rd and heading north to Amsterdam for some "relaxation" before driving south to Bruggen for some "Goldentimes" with 3 Ignatzmice fellows.. Then will be off in search of more fun around PHG, possibly Samya,, and then on to World and Palace for the weekend of 25th-28th. Anyone in town that weekend feel free to PM me
so we can arrange our hairstyles, necklaces, or wristbands to help us locate each other. Generally speaking, when I hear someone speaking english its a pretty good chance that they are a ISG member. I often wonder if the girls
characterize us as a group of "Sportfuckers" instead of regular customers? Kind of the same theory as a bunch of guys meeting in some tropical destination all wearing Sportfishing or Golf attire,, doing the weekend warrior act! I think from previos experiences that some of the girls work harder to please us knowing that their stock will rise after good reports.. I vividly recall Shiatsu and Isseu introducing me to Andrea (CZ) during my first trip to World a few years back. At the time, I was not a big fan of taking seconds but she grabbed my hand,led me into the Kino,,,the rest is history!... Ah,, how I would love to rekindle that moment again!!
Hope to post some similar experiences next week while chillin out at the Internet station at the Monopol.
Gutten tag herr ISG'rs
Kingwenslas
11-17-05, 18:38
Routard,
Thanks I love your idea and Euro has endorsed it, so from now on I will do the same unless someone else comes up with a better idea.
Kingwenlas
Carnel1,
That was a good night a few years ago. I remember everyone smoking cigars (in the eating area) while watching that one girl fondle her pussy. And that cleaning lady yelling at us for smoking in the no smoking section. That round-robin on Andrea was amazing. She would come back sweaty from one session and grab the hand of the next guy at the table and off they went.
World would never be the same for me after this night.
A bit of history: The next day after we met, Atlantis closed. What was once four large clubs in the Frankfurt area, now became three.
Guys,
Firstly, the discussion about what and what not to do in a FKK is very illuminating. I have been living in Germany for 3 years and done the rounds, World, Palace, Goldentime and BHG.
When World first opened it was awesome, heaven on earth! But after a 6 month lay-off of not going to an FKK, I returned to World to find the place full of Romanians and not good-looking or cute.
Goldentime has always been my favorite, stylish, welcoming by the management and generally good-girls.
Sadly, I am leaving these shores and this weekend want to revisit the FKK scene after being absent for a year (getting married in Jan 06).
What would you guys recommend? I thinking about doing Oase (Fri), maybe World too and then Goldentime. Comments?
Foxx1, Carnal,
Yes it was a night to remember, and as the last standing member ( wow that's a doube entendre) that night, I look forward to retaining my title and outlasting all comers ( another one!) on December 1.
Too bad you can't join us that night..
Watches and keystraps in a figure 8? I bet you, I'll find you guys without that...Heh, heh
Go to Palace and then to Oase.
Guys,
Firstly, the discussion about what and what not to do in a FKK is very illuminating. I have been living in Germany for 3 years and done the rounds, World, Palace, Goldentime and BHG.
When World first opened it was awesome, heaven on earth! But after a 6 month lay-off of not going to an FKK, I returned to World to find the place full of Romanians and not good-looking or cute.
Goldentime has always been my favorite, stylish, welcoming by the management and generally good-girls.
Sadly, I am leaving these shores and this weekend want to revisit the FKK scene after being absent for a year (getting married in Jan 06).
What would you guys recommend? I thinking about doing Oase (Fri), maybe World too and then Goldentime. Comments?
Yes it was a night to remember, and as the last standing member ( wow that's a doube entendre) that night, I look forward to retaining my title and outlasting all comers ( another one!) on December 1.
Competion? I like that! I'm your challenger.
I had planned to try the V I bought in Brasil last month, but doping is unfair. I will instead come with the Cohibas I bought in Cuba, as some of you seem to enjoy cigars. Ever tried it like Bill Clinton? I'm looking forward our meeting!
Iseeu, Euro, Cachorro, Mat the Rat have confirmed on the public board, others did it through PM. Once again, this is an open invitation to all ISG members, if anybody wants to join us...don't forget the 8 keyband recognising sign...and the ISG smile!
After the Netherlands, there is now also a FKK club in BELGIUM : the RITZ, about 60 km north of Brussels.
Website : www.ritzclubbing.be
I was there on thursday, and I must say it was a very good experience.
Of course there are for the moment not so many girls than in Oase or Palace.
But these 12 girls in RITZ are friendly and most of them are GFE type.
I had a very good session with LIA who probably gave me the best BBBJ of my whole life (and I am about 50) !
If you can read french, there are several posts about the Ritz on this forum : http://groups.msn.com/FKKGUIDE.
You know, there is a separate Belgium section in this forum ...
euro
You know, there is a separate Belgium section in this forum ...
euroOf course, I know. But I am sure that FKK fans wil never look in the belgian forum. Thus I think that this information about a new FKK in Belgium is usefull here. Belgium and the RITZ club are close to the german border.
Stano,
how much did the girl charge you??
Stano,
how much did the girl charge you??The prices are the same than in the german clubs (of the Dusseldorf area) : 50 € for the first 1/2 hour, 25 € for the next 1/2 hours (BBBJ included).
RITZ applies the same concept than the german FKK's. But the girls are not nude : its the same dress code than in the Golden Time or Planet Happy Garden.
Thank you very much for your useful link.
Vitoriabitter
11-22-05, 23:17
Hi,
Will be visiting on 3/4 of December...anybody wanna share some christmas cheer?
Spending the weekend in Dusseldorf/Koln.
Send a PM.
Look fwd to hearing from u.
Cheers,
VB
Just back from 2 great days in the Palace, and more about that later in the Palace section.
Was asking one lady what services she provided for the 50 euro, she listed her services and then said "But when will this 50 euro price go up, everyday the cost of living rises in Germany, food, petrol, rent , etc ,etc??"
I then asked her when the price last went up and she told me that it has been 50 euro since the euro came in 2002. Is this correct guys ??
She also says it didnt go up much with the change over from DM to Euro.
Anyone know about history of FKk pricing ??
I wonder what it will go to if/when it does eventually go up ?? hopefully 51 euro, ha ha !!!
50 euro has been the standard ever since the introduction of the euro. And before then it had been 100 DM for quite a while. So there really seems to be 0 inflation in this business.
euro
I then asked her when the price last went up and she told me that it has been 50 euro since the euro came in 2002. Is this correct guys ??
She also says it didnt go up much with the change over from DM to Euro.
The price actually went down with the change from the DM as 50 Euros is 97.79DM. The standard price in DM was 100.
FKK's must be like electronics because they tend to be deflationary. Clubs like Schieferhof used to be70€ per session, now they are at 50 as well. The idea of a 50€ not being the given price will stay that way for a long time to come. And when girls say the cost of living is going up in Germany she is sort of fuill of shit. The inflation rate here since 2002 has been under 1.5% a year and in a tonne of areas deflationary. At least if you want to live frugally. The only things that have really exploded in price are Gas & energy (like everywhere), restaurants and cafe's (But most have been punished due ot less business with the higher prices) and designer clothes. Almost everything else has been deflationary in this country, hence the sad state of the national economy for all things other than export industry.
Most forms of prostiution in Germany with prices over this 50€ number are not doing well at all.
what has gone up is the entrance fee in the Frankfurt area. Atlantis used to be 100dm, then 110dm when it switched to € they went up to 60€ and now it has creeped into the 65€ area. I think there is price resistance at that level and it will be a while before they hit 70 or 75.
Clubs like the Red Carpet ones always try out new pricing schemes, moving prices and service levels up and down all the time. Now they are at the 50€ level too. I doubt people will accept it from that club.
what has gone up is the entrance fee in the Frankfurt area. Atlantis used to be 100dm, then 110dm when it switched to € they went up to 60€ and now it has creeped into the 65€ area. I think there is price resistance at that level and it will be a while before they hit 70 or 75.
Malibu is 50 euro entrace, and has a happy hour rate of 35. Which is one reason why I am going to try it out on Saturday morning.
"what has gone up is the entrance fee in the Frankfurt area. Atlantis used to be 100dm, then 110dm when it switched to € they went up to 60€ and now it has creeped into the 65€ area. I think there is price resistance at that level and it will be a while before they hit 70 or 75."
When you factor in the food that is now provided at most places, there really is not a big increase in prices. In my observation, the economy has affected the business. The sessions seem to be shorter and fewer than in the past. I also see fewer expensive autos at the clubs. I remember at Atlantis I used to see some incredible cars at the club and lots of playboy type men. These days I see more old locals and a larger percentage of the customers are foreigners. I remember some girls talking about multiple hour sessions where the customers would spend hundreds of Euros. These days I see mainly 30 minute sessions. It is the foreigners who are the bigger spenders these days. Plus, the opening of more clubs has spread the customers around. The fact that Oase is offering discounts and World has a loyalty program strongly suggests that the competition is strong.
If the girls do not make enough money, eventually the quality will decrease. The customers will not return and the clubs will close. I think part of the problem is the girls expectation of making alot of money quickly. When the sauna club concept first started, it was a way for a girl to work a few days a month to supplement their income. Most had other jobs. They expected to do 3-4 sessions a day. Now many expect to make a killing.
Also the increased standard of living in eastern europe is making it less attractive for girls to come over. The german P4P scene was horrible for the customer in the 80's from what i have heard. There were mainly RLD's, the girls would rip the guys off and the prices were astronomically high. Then the flood of girls from the east came. At home they could earn 50€ a month in a crappy factory job, there it was a god send.
Now there are enough people in the Czech Republic and such who either earn 500€ a month in a semi decent job, or can get a boyfriend at home who has some serious cash.
that makes the treck to the west less attractive. The countries that are still dirt poor are ones where you don't always want the girls from.
which one of these clubs :Samya, Planet Happy garden, goldentime or wildenrath is nearest to Dusseldorf airport?
And how far from the airport would it be??
thanks
Fred
which one of these clubs :Samya, Planet Happy garden, goldentime or wildenrath is nearest to Dusseldorf airport?
And how far from the airport would it be??
thanks
Fred
There are others on the board who know the NRW area better than I do, but I am going to guess and say that Samya is where you want to go if proximity to Düsseldorf is important. Take a cab from Samya to the Köln Hauptbahnhof and from there take the train to the Düsseldorf Flughafen. Major traffic jams in that part of Germany are a way of life and the best way to avoid that is by using the Deutsche Bahn. Köln-D'dorf Flug. is 30 to 40 minutes depending on which connection you get.
If you want to do PHG, then you can take a Taxi to Krefeld Hauptbahnhof and get a connection to the airport over Duisburg or Dü-Hauptbahnhof. The connections take between 40-50 minutes.
Good luck,
Dedalus
Deda,
Don't want to fall in your back (been in Germany too long using a phrase like that in english) but Samya is the club furthest away from the Düsseldorf Airport.
The A44 goes right by the airport across the rhine and then the exit to PHG is something like the 3rd exit. It might be an expensive cab ride, but with a rental car PHG is about 20 minutes from the airport. And the A44 doesn't have many traffic jams.
I am currently having sex with a "not very attractive" girlfriend at home. Because of my FKK trips, I am having great sex with this girl, because I now block her out of my mind and pretend that I am back fucking some of the hotties in Palace or Oase.
Also I am having the most amazing wanks of my life at the moment. I love to close my eyes and relive my FKK sessions, and also fantasize about all the girls I did not get around to fucking. Infact since I seriously got into the FKK way of life, I have also lost nearly all interest in Porn. I much prefer my memories to on screen images now.
So while the FKK trips maybe a bit expensive, they really are worth for it because of the improvements to masturbation and serious improvements to an otherwise dull sex life.
Deda,
Don't want to fall in your back (been in Germany too long using a phrase like that in english) but Samya is the club furthest away from the Düsseldorf Airport.
The A44 goes right by the airport across the rhine and then the exit to PHG is something like the 3rd exit. It might be an expensive cab ride, but with a rental car PHG is about 20 minutes from the airport. And the A44 doesn't have many traffic jams.
No problem. Bin nicht beleidigt. Like I said, it was more a guess on my part (aside from the train connections).
Danke fürs Aufklären,
Dedalus
Are there any FKK's in or around the Heidelberg area? On my way there and would like to try something other than World or Palace.
Thanks
It needs quiet some efforts and technical skills, and it takes time to prepare everything for a successful FKK tour or any other international mongering trip. Here a few advices based on personal experience.
Information
Since I discovered ISG, this is not an issue anymore. Still, it takes always some time to collect the necessary information and contacting other members for a meeting. And there are a few basic computer security rules not to forget:
-always use a separate Email account for mongering purpose only
-never give any information on the public board that can lead to identification
-never forget before leaving the Internet Browser to delete history, cookies and other temporary files.
-I discovered another one not so long ago: never forget to delete the data that is in the cut/paste function of your text editor.
Money
1000€ cash expenses within a few days are not easy to hide to the partner of life, especially if it happens several times a year, everytime when travelling abroad. It needs therefore a private bank account for mongering purposes only. The key rule is to work all year round to put money on it. And believe me, there are plenty of opportunities for it, as long as you keep always in mind to work for it.
Credit Card and other records
Not only P4P are to be paid by cash. During the Touring, keep always in mind never to use your Credit Card as long as you are not supposed to be somewhere or are at a specific time or day. Same rules for any ticket or other piece of paper: destroy it before you will forget it in a pocket.
Travel
It takes always some time create a business travel opportunity to Europe. Keep in mind always to leave some time in the professional schedule for the mongering activities.
Passport
Passport stamps are an issue for most mongering trips like Brazil or Thailand. Only few countries like Cuba will not put the damn stamp on your passport. Luckily, Germany is in Shengen zone, and you will have no stamp if coming from another Shengen country. So no problem if you are supposed to be for business in another Shengen country.
GPS
Experience shows that most FKK are not easy to find. My advice is to use a GPS. Enter all the locations to visit as waypoints before to leave. But don’t forget to delete them at the end of your travel, as well as the automatic track recording of your GPS!
GSM
Better not to be used for mongering purpose. Keep in mind to delete any suspicious call from the history logger. Oh, and by the way, don't forget to call everyday at home, especially during the suspicious periods of time!
Language
I'm currently learning German. Unbelievable how mongering improved my language skills!
Everything is now ready for my next FKK tour. I’m looking forward, as I really need my periodical anti-stress therapy. Yes, I’m leaving today and I will not have any more Internet communication before I come back. See you on 1st of December for our ISG FKK World meeting!
Everything is now ready for my next FKK tour. I’m looking forward, as I really need my periodical anti-stress therapy. Yes, I’m leaving today and I will not have any more Internet communication before I come back. See you on 1st of December for our ISG FKK World meeting!
Not really necessary to break completely away from the world-wide-web while in Deutschland. Book a room at the Excelsior near the Frankfurt main station. They have some of the best and cheapest (read: free) internet facilities in the area. It is a good way to keep contact and keep abreast (pun intended) of the current World/Palace/Oase status.
Have a blast,
Dedalus
Daniariete
11-28-05, 17:42
Hi ,
I never have been in a FKK and I'm not so expert in the pros scene.
I've an airplane ticket from the 7 to the 9 of december to Frankfourt
I'd like to try a FKK but I don't know how to start.
Lot of people suggested me the Oase , expecially becouse in that days (wednsday and thursday) there are the "2 X 1" day and the "lingerie day" (I love women with lingerie more than naked..).
What do you suggest me ?
I'd like 2 very relaxed days with music , dinner , erotic massages and sex.
Thanks
Dan
Thanks for the info Dedalus,
But I just can't imagine spending time in a hotelroom on Internet while I'm that close to the FKK paradise. It's like looking a documentary at the hotel's TV about elephants and lions while in Kenia. I prefer reality to virtuality and I could consider it only if Internet was available inside FKK. I want to enjoy every single minute of my well desearved FKK Tour!
Sorry we could not meet us this time. We keep in touch through the...virtual Internet.
Routard
Dan: Pick any of the three big Frankfurt clubs and you will do just fine. How to start? Jump into a cab and tell him to take you to FKK Palace. He will know where the place is. Only if you have own transportation or like to wander around using public transportation should you go to Oase or World. Cab to Oase will cost you 50e. Read the board, it is all there. Pay special attention to the "reports of distinction" thread.
Routard: To add to your list I would suggest that if you are living with someone you care not to know of your visits, you should give fake address when you rent a car as well as when you check into a hotel. Rental companies and Hotels will often send the final invoice to your address which might be hard to explain.
Dedalus: On my last visit I discovered that the Holiday Inn Fra City South has a free internet facility on the second floor. It is behind locked doors and accessable via your key card to the room. It is pretty privat and you will notice anyone entering the room with enough notice if you do not care to share your interests in web sites. btw: They are still offering the 30e weekend rates if you book with two weeks notice, sometimes it is upped to 40e within two weeks, but sometimes it stays at 30e. Best weekend deal in Frankfurt IMHO. Add to that a very good chance of getting free parking right outside the hotel.
Chivaz
Dan
If you prefer lingerie more than naked, I suggest that you go to the Dessous party in FKK Palace on the Wednesday, and then go to the Dessous party in FKK Oase on the Thursaday.
Dessous party is the lingerie day.
Are there any FKK's in or around the Heidelberg area? On my way there and would like to try something other than World or Palace.
Thanks
The closest I know of is FKK Flamingo Island, about 50 km south of Heidelberg. Check out http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de. It has pretty good facilities and actually I think World is the only one I've been to that had better facilities. The girl selection is so and so (at least when I was there over a year ago).
Chivaz
Dan,
Rent a car via sixti like Euro100 did in advance and then head to oase, i find the owmen there better than palace.
hi peter,
in the past couple of years i have also found oase beeing more consistently good in the girl selection, but after the raid, it has been so and so, and palace had a great selection and vibe last time i was there (3 weeks ago).
vicky at palace is something that might be up your alley. she is almost beyond [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901), but the things she does are almost beyond a working girl as well. one of the greatest for me this year.
chivaz
I was wondering if anybody had any idea if clubs like Oase, World, etc, would be quiet during this time.
Thanks
I might just be down on Palace because I had such a horrible time there, and even a worse time in Artemis in Berlin, which is owned by the same people and has that similar Arabian Harem decor. Somehow i just don't really like the vibe i get from these places, don't know why. i guess i is sort of like i didn't like Atlantis for the last 2 years of its existence, or the way that i don't like world.
If you say that Palace is better post raid then i advise Dan to take your advice, as I am not really an expert on the frankfurt scene anymore.
My best session of the year was with one of the behind the counter girls at a club this year. She needed money and i talked her into meeting me outside of a club for some serioulsy over FKK pricing P4P. She really has never been a pro, and damnit you could tell. She got into it like nobodies business, and i have never had a session like that.
Last time I was in the club she worked in, she was so damn friendly to me and now wants to go on a trip with me. amazing for a German.
PS. She is 38, which is normally way out of my age range, but it really was amazing.
I'm thinking of dropping in a few spots in cologne or frankfurt during christmas. We liked palace when I visited over the summer. In cologne we went to a place called sammy's or something like that, first time was decent but teh second time the quality of girls were really poor. I guess there's always pascha, but we'd probably like to spend some good evenings in a FKK. Just concerned that the scene will be dead due to the holidays. Any suggestions?
Peter,
I have to second Chivaz's thought about Vicky. She might really be someone that you would dig, given your particular proclivities. Small breasts (read: None) but the rest is damn hot! Also she is a great session.
I think that Palace is hot right now, but I like that trashy Baywatch-look. Oase is pretty far from a sure thing these days but there are still quite a few good ones to be found there. You just have to wade through a sea a mediocre Gretels to find the good acts. Chivaz's Gabriella might suit you pretty well. Not sure if you know Maria from Bulgaria but she is working there again. Have not seen Lucy "the dead fish" in ages.
Cheers,
Dedalus
For those who are interested, I have put a report from my visit this Monday to the, in this forum, earlier mentioned FKK club Ritz in Belgium. I have put it in the "other areas" since it's really not in either of the big towns. On the other hand, in Belgium it's never far to any place.
Crazy Travel
12-02-05, 14:36
Dear friends,
I'm italian and read a lot about FKK in germany and I'm thinking about to take a trip to live this experience. Thank you!
I'd like your kind advise (for everywhere in germany you think is worthy....):
1. About FKK in which girls are totally naked (wow....) and not in bikini or lingerie or ect.
2. If you can advise me also about the average prices.
Really thank you all
Teddy Johnwa
12-02-05, 15:51
Dear friends,
I'm italian and read a lot about FKK in germany and I'm thinking about to take a trip to live this experience. Thank you!
I'd like your kind advise (for everywhere in germany you think is worthy....):
1. About FKK in which girls are totally naked (wow....) and not in bikini or lingerie or ect.
2. If you can advise me also about the average prices.
Really thank you all
I've been only in The Palace in Frankfurt, the girl are topless, but not naked, prices were 65 euro at entrance and 50 euro per session. If you go in frankfurt the palace is great.
Scan through this forum and you will find all the information you need.
TJ
I've been only in The Palace in Frankfurt, the girl are topless, but not naked, prices were 65 euro at entrance and 50 euro per session. If you go in frankfurt the palace is great.
Scan through this forum and you will find all the information you need.
TJ
Not quite true unless you visit on a club's lingerie night. Some girls will wear a slinky, tiny waist wrap or belt, but must of them are walking around in only heels and their skin.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Crazy Travel
Naked is the norm -except on dessous day
Here is summary of prices (I have based heavily on a list from elsewhere), I have not personally been to most of the clubs but it is right for the ones I know. I have excluded ones around Hannover and Hamburg. I have put square brackets round ones which I think have not been reported on. I have included as many web addresses as I had time to find - some clubs do not have web addresses
A useful source is http://www.strichportal.de. There are lots of links saunaclubs, FKKs , listed by towns in alphabetical order. Kaleu's index does not seem to be functioning anymore
FT = come in mouth (Franzosisch Total)
FO = oral without. FO is included in almost every club - unless otherwise stated
The prices for anal can very often be negotiated down to 50E - if you are quoted 150E, do not pay.
There is a question "What if I do FT, or indeed any other extra, or even just come, twice in one session - do I pay the price once or twice?". Novize advises that the official policy is that you pay twice (whether for an extra or for the basic sex). All I can say is that personally I have never - in probably about 50 sessions where I have had an extra twice - been asked to pay twice. It is difficult to get an "official" statement by a club on session prices as the girls are not employees,
If anyone sees the inevitable mistakes, PM me and I'll change this post (and credit you). Be aware that the infor here is likely to get gradually out of date
Non alcoholic drinks are free unless otherwise mentioned. Alcoholic drinks cost unless otherwise mentioned
Artemis, Berlin
Eintritt: 70 €
30 min: 60 €
60 min: 100 €
FT 50€
Anal 100€
http://www.fkk-artemis.de/
Babylon, Elsdorf (20 miles west of Koln)
Eintritt: 30 €
20 min: 45 €
40 min: 90 €
http://www.babylon-wiago.de/
Bernds Sauna Club (Hennef - Lichtenberg) (near Siegen, 20 miles south east Cologne, near A3)
Eintritt:70E
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
http://www.bernds-sauna-club.de/
Beverly Swingerclub (Not an FKK but included in reports under Partytreffs) Solingen - between Leverkusen and Wuppertal. You pay your entrance and a large buffet, wine, women etc all included
Eintritt - single man between 50E and 150E (depending on day of week)
http://www.beverly2000.net/
Blue Note, Düsseldorf
Eintritt: 55 €
30 min: 30 €
60 min: 60 €
Extras: 30 € FT
Cocoon, Wuppertal
Eintritt: 50 €
20 min: 25 €
40 min: 50 €
Extras: 10 € FO, 25 € FT
http://www.fkk-cocoon.de/
Colosseum, Augsburg
Eintritt: 60 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €
http://www.fkk-colosseum.de/
Dietzenbach (der "ALDI") (near frankfurt)
Eintritt: 10 € (+ 30 €if you don't go with a girl)
50 € for a session - it seems to charge by the orgasm, not time?!
Extras: Anal und FT 50 €
http://www.fkk-40.de/index2.html
Dolce Vita, Düsseldorf
Eintritt: 0 € (25 € if you don't go with girl)
20-25 min: 70 €
40-45 min: 95 €
60-70 min: 120 €
Drinks: 3 €
Reduced:11-14 Uhr 50 € for session
http://www.fkk-dolcevita.com/
Flamingo Island, Karlsruhe-Ettlingen
Eintritt: 55 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €
http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de/
F 35, Beach (Frankfurt)
Eintritt: 60 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: 50 € FT;
http://www.f35-fkkbeach.de/
[FKK-Burg, Bonn
Eintritt: 30 €
20 min: 40 €
40 min: 80 €
60 min: 120 €
Drinks: first 2 free
Extras: FT 20 €]
http://www.fkk-burg.de/
[FKK Calygula, Hennef-Michelshohn (10miles south of Cologne near A3)
Eintritt: 25 €
30 min: 75 €
60 min: 140 €
Drinks:2E]
http://www.fkk-club-calygula.de/
[FKK-Cassandra, Dormagen
Eintritt: 30 €
30 min: 40 €
60 min: 80 € ]
[FKK Dream, Stuttgart
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 55 € inkl. FO (if offered)
60 min: 110 €
Extras: 25 € FT]
[FKK-Haus, Fellbach (Stuttgart)
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 55 €
60 min: 110 €
Extras: 25 FT, 50 Anal]
[FKK 214, Saarbrücken
Eintritt: 55 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100€
FO 25€]
Freude, Freudenberg strasse 39, Bochum
Eintritt 39E from 12 to 21 - before and after 19E
http://www.freude39.de
I think the pricing is 35E for 20mins,
Extras:?
Golden Time, Brüggen
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 €
Drinks: free, includes beer
25 € FT, 50 € Anal
http://212.96.132.70/goldentime/index.asp
[Haus 408, Gütersloh (near Bielefeld, near Dortmund)
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 € incl. FT]
Heavensgate, Dorsten (bout 40miles north of Dusseldorf)
Eintritt: 35 €
20 min: 25 €
60 min: 75 €
10 € for oral without, 25 € FT
http://www.fkk-heavensgate.de/
La Folie, Berlin
Eintritt: 13 €, inkl. 1 drink
30 min: 70 €
60 min: 140 €
[Lug ins Land, Brachbach near Siegen
Eintritt: 55 €
30 min: 30 €
60 min: 60 €
30 € FT, 30 € Anal]
Malibu, Nidderau-Heldenbergen (near Frankfurt)
Eintritt: 50 € (35 euro if you enter between 10am and 1pm or between 8pm and 9pm.
Beer seems to be free as well. Free cocktails on Friday and Saturday evenings - info courtesy Euro100)
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
FT 50 €
http://www.fkk-malibu.de
Oase, Burgholzhausen, just outside Frankfurt
Eintritt: 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
FT 50 €; Anal 100€
http://www.fkk-oase.de/
Palace, Frankfurt
Eintritt: 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
FT 50 €
http://www.the-palace.de/
[Paradies Pascha, Villingen-Schwenningen
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 60 €
60 min: 120 €]
[Paradiso, München
Eintritt: 30 €
30 min: 100 €
60 min: 200 €]
[Point, Bruchsal
Eintritt: 35 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €]
[Park Schloss Dali
Eintritt: 55 €
30 min: 35 €
60 min: 70 €
FO 15 € special room: 5 € Whirlpool: 130 € an hour]
Parksauna Wildenrath (about 30 miles west of Dusseldorf)
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 25 €
60 min: 50 €
25€ FO, 25 € FT
http://www.parksauna.info
PHG Planet Happy Garden, Oedt (about 30+ miles west of Dusseldorf)
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 25 €
60 min: 50 €
Drinks - includes beer
25 € FO, 25 € FT, 50 € Anal
http://www.planet-happy-garden.info/
[Phoenix, Stuttgart
Eintritt: 55 €
30 min: 55 € inkl. FO (if offered)
60 min: 110 €
25 € FT, 25 € Anal]
[Relax, Senden
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 35€ / Frz. ohne 50€
60 min: 70€ / Frz. ohne 100€]
Samya, Köln (Rodenkirchen)
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 €
Drinks include beer
25 € FT
http://www.samya.de/
Sauna-World, Görgeshausen (over 50 miles north west of Frankfurt on A3)
Eintritt: 50 € (11.00-14.00, 20.00 -22.00, 30E)
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
FT 50 € Come on body 25 €
http://www.sauna-world.info/cms/index.php
[Sudbad, Köln
Eintritt: 50 €
30 Min: 50 €
60 Min: 100 €
http://www.sudbad.de/]
Sudfass, Oskar-von-Miller Str.10, Frankfurt
Eintritt: bis 18.00 Uhr 15 €, ab 18.00 Uhr 30 €
20 min: 50 €
30 min: 75 €
60 min: 150 €
Sudfass, München (Pasing)
Eintritt: 55 €
30 min: 75 €
60 min: 125 €
75 € FO, FT
http://www.fkk-sudfass.de/
Sylt, Nürnberg
Eintritt: 60 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
FT 50 €
Tempel, Wurzburg
Eintritt:55 Euro
30 min:55E
http://www.fkk-tempel.com/
Tropicana, Erkrath-Unterfeldhaus (Dusseldorf)
Eintritt: 25 € (if you don't go with a girl))
20-25 min: 59 € (49E 10,00 -14.00)
40-45 min (or 2 sessions): 99 €
60-70 min (or 2 sessions); €129
Drinks: 3 € Non-Alk,
http://www.saunaclub-tropicana.de/
Wiago, leverkusen
Eintritt: 30 €
20 min: 45 €
40 min: 90 €
http://www.babylon-wiago.de/
World, Pohlheim
Eintritt: 65 € Mo to We - pay 2 for 3. Advance payment e.g.5 visits for price of 4
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
FT 50 € Anal 150E
http://www.fkk-world.de/
[World II, Pforzheim (between Stuttgart and Karlsruhe)
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
FT 50 €]
X-Treff (not an FKK but sometimes included in reports - you pay entrance and then all is free
Hammersbach (on A45 between Hanau (Frankfurt) and Giessen
Eintritt - betwen 99E and 150E
http://www.xtreff.com/
Ying Yang, NL-Roermond
Eintritt: 50 €
20 min: 50 €
40 min: 75 €
Extras: FT 25 €, AV 50 €
Hi Shitsu,
Your report is an encyclopedia, great job.
"Hi Shitsu,"
Ah, I think his name is ShiAtsu... The "A" makes all the difference...
Hello,
When there is an extra charge for Franzosisch Total (FT), is this per session or each time I come?
For example,
Oase, Burgholzhausen, just outside Frankfurt
Eintritt: 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
FT 50 €; Anal 100€
If I get a girl for 60 minutes, have sex and come in her mouth (FT) twice, what is the cost, 150 euros or 200 euros?
Thanks
Hello,
When there is an extra charge for Franzosisch Total (FT), is this per session or each time I come?
For example:
Oase, Burgholzhausen, just outside Frankfurt
Eintritt: 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
FT 50 €; Anal 100€
If I get a girl for 60 minutes, have sex with her twice, each time coming in her mouth, what is the cost, 150 euros or 200 euros?
Thanks
Burnmax- There is always some room for dispute here. Personally I have always found that if there is more than one FT or anal episode in a session this is covered by the single supplement (50E in the case of FT at the Rhein clubs). So an hour with FTx2 would in my experience be 150E. The ethos of FKK is that you pay for time not for number of "Entspannung" which seems to be a euphemism for orgasms.
But I know there have been disagreements about this - I think a member reported being charged double at Oase.
"Officially" all "extras" like FT and anal are charged "by case". So, 1 hour including 2*FT would be 200 €.
Anything else is a matter of sympathy or competition or whatever.
Talk about this issue before the session,
and then
Have fun,
Novize
Crazy Travel
12-05-05, 07:35
Great forum,
Thanx all!
Sure, I'll tell as soon as I will be able to do my "pleasure" trip in germany.. :-)
Daniariete
12-05-05, 15:33
A simple question :
How can you permit to a girl to touch you (I mean your penis)and make you a BBJ by knowing that 5 minutes before she has touched or made a BBJ to an other man?
Sorry for this simple question but tomorrow I'm going to Oase for my first time and I'm a little bit worried about this.
Thanks
Dan
A simple question :
How can you permit to a girl to touch you (I mean your penis)and make you a BBJ by knowing that 5 minutes before she has touched or made a BBJ to an other man?
Sorry for this simple question but tomorrow I'm going to Oase for my first time and I'm a little bit worried about this.
Thanks
DanYou are rolling the dice in a FKK. Not only has she probably done at least one guy before you, she might have done a dozen. If you even ask this kind of question, why bother going? You are obviously worried about catching something. The risks are low, but lets be honest, sometimes shit happens and you might catch something unpleasant there. Most likely it would never be anything that a good dose of antibiotics won't cure.
Most of us know the risks and live accordingly, but if you haven't thought it out, do yourself and the girls a favor and don't go. If you can't get your head on straight, you won't enjoy what has to be among the greatest of fantasies available on this earth. Do you want to be worrying how that [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) is going to feel for a week or two afterwards, dreading any itch or burning sensation? If you can't put all of that out of your mind, don't go.
Hidden Dragon
12-06-05, 03:43
A simple question :
How can you permit to a girl to touch you (I mean your penis)and make you a BBJ by knowing that 5 minutes before she has touched or made a BBJ to an other man?
Sorry for this simple question but tomorrow I'm going to Oase for my first time and I'm a little bit worried about this.If it bothers you that much, I'm sure she'll slap a condom on you before going down on you.
A simple question :
How can you permit to a girl to touch you (I mean your penis)and make you a BBJ by knowing that 5 minutes before she has touched or made a BBJ to an other man?
Sorry for this simple question but tomorrow I'm going to Oase for my first time and I'm a little bit worried about this.
Thanks
DanWell, just ask her to give you a covered BJ. I can only admit I'm too cautious to do anything else. No one has ever refused or given any bad comment on that. On the contrary, you learn which girls that manage the skill of putting the cover on with their mouth.
How it feels is of course very personal. I don't care at all by the difference between covered or not. I do hate the fact that I don't even eat any pussy, but I can just not afford to get an infection, alltough it would be most certainly easy to cure. On the other hand, I can promisse that you can have fun anyway for an hour or two if you find the right girl. Just focus on the personal contact, and the fucking of course.
Polar
A simple question :
How can you permit to a girl to touch you (I mean your penis)and make you a BBJ by knowing that 5 minutes before she has touched or made a BBJ to an other man?
Sorry for this simple question but tomorrow I'm going to Oase for my first time and I'm a little bit worried about this.
Thanks
Dan
Hi Dan,
I just also answered your PM, but since this may be of a bit more general interest than just yours, here is the answer I gave you for everybody to read:
You can have a coverd BJ. Just tell them "mit condom". As for the aggressive girls: you should go into the fkk and simply sit on the side for a while, observing other customers and how the girls interact with the men.
Kissing: other mens' penises have been in each mouth of each girl every day. If you have a problem with this, tell them "kein Kuss". You should pronounce this more like "kine kouss".
If you just want to hang out for a day, use the sauna, the pool, eat, drink, and then decide to not have sex, that is fine, too.
Go to Palace; it is a bit cleaner that Oase. World is even cleaner, but a bit further away.
But now that I think of it, go to Oase Sudfass in Frankfurt. Located at Oskar-von-Miller-Straße 10, next to the Main river. All taxi drivers will know the address, and it is a very short ride from city center / Hauptbahnhof. Oase is not an FKK, but the girls are also semi-naked. There is no couch action, only covered blowjobs and only in the room, usually no kissing in the main room. Many girls do not DFK, even in the room. So this may be the way better option for you ... and anybody else who would like to get their feet wet in the scene without worries of exchanging bacteria with the rest of us ;). Oase used to be my favorite before I discovered the FKK scene.
If you go with this option, then make sure you go to the Oase Sudfass, not the Laufhaus (a conventional eros center), or the strip bar (a conventional rip-off place) that are on the same premises.
euro
P.S.: We expect a detailed report from you once you have lost your "virginity" :) Now go and enjoy!
Daniariete
12-06-05, 14:17
Thanks a lot for your answer.
I will try it, but I'd like not to have fear to permit the girls to touch me outside the rooms. This would limit my fun too much.
How can you say that touching the penis of a lot of men outside the rooms is a safe and clean practice?
Thanks a lot
Dan
Thanks a lot for your answer.
I will try it, but I'd like not to have fear to permit the girls to touch me outside the rooms. This would limit my fun too much.
How can you say that touching the penis of a lot of men outside the rooms is a safe and clean practice?
Thanks a lot
Dan
The penis is no more a carrier of infection or disease than other parts of your body. You have more chance of transfering disease by shaking hands than shaking penises :-). The fluids are another story though. STDs do not transfer by touching skin (except maybe for herpes, but it would not transfer by dick->hand->dick).
Read up on the literature of STDs and stuff like that. That is what I did before starting enjoying the perks of FKKs. I am making my own risk calculations and I am cool with it, but I would never be afraid of catching something by touching.
As I told you in PM (I am repeating for the benefits of others): Most girls will be ok to take a shower with you before the session.
Chivaz
The penis is no more a carrier of infection or disease than other parts of your body. You have more chance of transfering disease by shaking hands than shaking penises :-).
Exactly! Nobody uses their dick to pick their nose. (Come to think of it, that'd be amazing!) So you are almost guaranteed not to get snot on your hands when shaking somebody's penis. :)
None other than Madonna informed us that urin is sterile. So using the schlong for pissing doesn't contaminate it either. As Bill Murray used to say: "So I got that going for me".
Here is the plan: Ask the girl to wash her hands before handling your stick. With soap! And I am serious, try the Oase Sudfass first!!! It's FKK lite, exactly what you need to get started.
<WISECRACK>And if you bring one of these disposable surgical masks and ask the girl to wear it, she may do it and think it's kinda kinky fun. 'Cause kissing is the number one bad thing you can do as far as desease transfer is concerned, and her wearing the mask would get rid of that risk. :( Sorry, scratch this advice, bad idea. Even a covered BJ would be impossible then. Latex gloves? OK, OK, I'm stopping, I'm stopping.</WISECRACK>
But be warned, once you see how much fun this whole thing is, you'll be doing DATY and ass-rimming in no time. :) Or you'll be like that Italian guy in FKKW on Thursday, who had the girls lick ketchup off his sausage.
I'm actually thinking it's good for your immune system to challenge it with pussy-bacteria from around the world ;). Well, if it's not exactly good, then at least it's fun.
euro
How can you say that touching the penis of a lot of men outside the rooms is a safe and clean practice?
WAIT A SECOND! This is NOT a safe and clean practice for you! Only the GIRLS are allowed to touch my dick. You stay away!
OK, OK, now I am over it. Back to our regularly scheduled programming. ... terribly sorry, but I just couldn't resist.
Euro,
From what you say, are girls in a placve like SUDFASS more risk averse than an FKK provider? Will a girl working for SUDFASS never work in an FKK environment?
If you go by that logic are the girls in SUDFASS better quality than an average FKK provider? I am sure there are several 9-10s in FKK, but I am thinking of average (judging quality with price).
Very curious.
Many thanks for your inputs.
Euro,
From what you say, are girls in a placve like SUDFASS more risk averse than an FKK provider? Will a girl working for SUDFASS never work in an FKK environment?
If you go by that logic are the girls in SUDFASS better quality than an average FKK provider? I am sure there are several 9-10s in FKK, but I am thinking of average (judging quality with price).
Very curious.
Many thanks for your inputs.
I am not sure. I have seen some very fine girls at Sudfass, but that is also true at the main FKKs. There are also some not so fine girls in both venues, and in my opinion the average quality in terms of looks is about the same.
Yes, the girls in Sudfass are definitely more risk averse, and the majority of them woul dnever work in an FKK. On average, and that is just my subjective impression, they seem to be newer to the job, too.
On a couple of occasions I had the opportunity to do girls on their first day as a hooker at Sudfass. With one, you would have never known this, and I only learned it later. She was already acting like a pro.
But the other was very interesting. Downstairs in the bar she was the only one with a bra on, sitting away from everybody in a corner. She looked really fine, and so I sat down with her and chatted with her. First she acted really hesistant, but then sensed that I wanted to be nce to her. So we talked for over an hour. She told me that that day was her first attempt at hooking, and that she had not yet done a trick. Medical student at Uni frankfurt, needed a bit of extra spending money. OK, I didn't believe it. But when I got up to get a drink from the machine (the charge low entrance fee, but then you have to buy each drink), one of the regular girls that I knew came over to me and asked me if I had enough of chatting with the virgin and if I was ready for her. So I went back to the "virgin". Had a nice gentle one-hour session with her to break her in, so to say. Yummy!
euro
CBGBConnisur
12-11-05, 22:35
Artemis was built for 5 million EUR, I am wondering if its going to recoup its investment. There's an article about it and Atlantis on Wikipedia with nice article about prostitution in Germany.
50 euro has been the standard ever since the introduction of the euro. And before then it had been 100 DM for quite a while. So there really seems to be 0 inflation in this business.
euro
What about the World Cup? Think the prices will go up 'cause of the tourist traffic, and stay there?
Arnie,
In general I doubt it.
I think tourist towns like Berlin and Hamburg will definitely try to jack up prices, but i doubt the other clubs will. some of the cheapo clubs like Freudenbergstr 39 in Bochum, who change theire prices all the time anyway, will probably try to, but i don't see the general level going up.
If the clubs are smart they will just take the increased traffic for a one time boost in business, but raising the prices isn't going to work at the moment. Remember that clubs like Schieferhof have also dramatically dropped their prices since the euro (was 150dm a session and 70DM entrance). In the meantime they have raised the entrance fee to 70€, but dropped the room price to 50€. so pretty much a visit with one room costs the same as before, but it has lead to a lot more multi-session visits by the customers, which makes the girls happier.
50€ is also such a round number with a bill available and stuff, i cannot see the prices going up to something you always need change for.
Most of the world Championship people will probably end up making the tourist mistake of heading into RLD's. I guess the clubs have to figure out methods of marketing. I see World having one of those fancy busses waiting outside of the Waldstadion in frankfurt, waiting to pick up fans directly from the game. I can't wait to see the Ads in the "Hallo" section of the Bild Newspaper, that will be a real study in marketing.
CBGBConnisur
12-14-05, 18:25
German FKKs are often pretty difficult to spot, they are in the most unassuming of places, one club I know in Bonn is located behind a garage another one is located across a fruit market in an old and run down building. One club I went to, a couple of ladies asked how I was able to find it, I used the Gelbe Seiten and the internet map service. Its kind of an indirect way of saying they cater to locals but most good clubs don't mind visitors except for a few red carpet establishments. Artemis is going to have to earn 5 million EUR to recoup its costs, a very risky gamble, the lineup is nowhere near as good as NRW and Hessen area clubs(with all the EE women in the NRW clubs I'm sure they got connections to the Russian or other EE mafia). Clubs of its size usually get about 1000 a visitors a week or roughly 50,000EUR to 60,000EUR in revenue from entrance fees, a good
chunk of that will go to overhead, probably about half left over. Artemis is going to have to average 200 guests a day to recoup its costs. Unlike touristy locales like Amsterdam which specifically attract tourists interested in sexual services, most German clubs rely upon repeat business from locals, and these customers don't part with their money easily.
Nicki, who works at Wildenrath has just been diagnosed with cancer. i visited her in the hospital today, and the news doesn't sound great. she remains in good spirits, but i am worried about her. She was never my dream girl, actually way out of my normal profile, but one of the nicest girls to talk to I know.
I would request that anyone here who is religious (I actually am, believe it or not) to please pray for her in the next few days.
http://www.6-relax.de/nici/nici/b.htm
Nicki, who works at Wildenrath has just been diagnosed with cancer. i visited her in the hospital today, and the news doesn't sound great. she remains in good spirits, but i am worried about her. She was never my dream girl, actually way out of my normal profile, but one of the nicest girls to talk to I know.
I would request that anyone here who is religious (I actually am, believe it or not) to please pray for her in the next few days.
http://www.6-relax.de/nici/nici/b.htm
She certainly would make my dream-girl list. I remember seeing some shots of her on PSW's site. Sad news indeed.
Thanks for letting us know.
Dedalus
Forced Hand
12-17-05, 15:42
I've been reading these pages for some time now and felt that I should offer something in return for the valuable information I've received. Last Monday (12th Dec.) myself and a friend visited Heaven's Gate FKK in Dorsten. The reason we chose this is because of favourable reports given on this site recently. We were not to be dissappointed. This place is a bot out of the way but well worth the effort. We hired a car and drove up form Dusseldorf, there's not much point in me telling you how to get there you can enter the address into www.map24.com and print out directions from wherever you are coming from. The entry fee was €25 and it was €35 for 20mins which included BBBJ. I think it cost €25 for a session with a covered BJ, my friend got one of these because he wanted to see what the difference was, having being spoilt on previous visits to FKK clubs and never experiencing a covered BJ! All the girls asked first what you preferred and it did not seem to matter to them either way. All the prices are clearly marked on signs in the club.
After paying you head down to the locker room and shower area which is a bit pokey but serves the purpose I suppose. The girls also use these showers so you could have some pleasant company if your timing is right. After showering we headed upstairs and I was keen to fire my first shot for the day. There were a couple of girls sitting in a dark room that is between the reception area and the main lounge and it was difficult to get a look at them. We proceeded to the main lounge and there were 4-5 girls hanging about. I approached a good loooking blonde who had been gyrating on the couch. I like bubbly expressive girls as they usually make the whole experience better (she had lovely tits too!). Anyhow she was finished fooling about and was talking to her friend (a not so lovely brunette). As there were very few clients in the place it can be a long walk (psychology) across the floor to sit beside the girl. When I sat down I asked her did she speak english, she said no and immediatly turned to continue talking to her friend. I was thinking that I made a bad move, because bad manners like this does nothing for me. However her friend said that she spoke english and asked was I interested in taking the two of them to a room (there is no couch action in this place). The idea of taking two girls to a room appealed to me but not on my first session and not with this brunnett, so I declined saying that I wanted to take the blonde to a room. The blonde stood up and bekoned me to follow her which I dutifully did and we went upstairs. As soon as we went into the room she warmed to the task in hand and gave me a wonderful BBBJ, I had to keep stopping her because I was on the brink but wanted the session to last. I finished up going at it doggie fashion and thought the session was worth every cent of the €35. I went with five girls over the day with only one dissappointment (a thin ukrainian girl). I had one spectacular double session with a girl called Angie who is one reason for me to go back there.
The standard of girls in this place is second to none and there are plenty of them. It's a pity there is no couch action in HG I first experienced that in Oase and it certainly did it for me. I would highly recommend HG for a visit, it's well worth the trip.
Sventra Tope
12-23-05, 15:26
Dear friends,
As suggestions of this forum permitted me to spend an unforgettable nite in FKK Palace when I recently had to go to Frankfurt, and as I am due to go to Strasbourg now, I was wondering whether any of you has suggestions on FKKs reasonably close to the French city which might be worth a visit.
Thanks in advance.
Dear friends,
As suggestions of this forum permitted me to spend an unforgettable nite in FKK Palace when I recently had to go to Frankfurt, and as I am due to go to Strasbourg now, I was wondering whether any of you has suggestions on FKKs reasonably close to the French city which might be worth a visit.
Thanks in advance.
Try Famingo Island.
Dedalus
Flamingo Island in Ettlingen at 80 km is probably the closest FKK from Strasbourg. I have never been there, but check the FAQ for more info.
Else there are two FKK close to the french border, one is in Saarbrucken ( about 120km from Strasbourg), the other in Neunkirchen (about 150km). They have the same pricing and opening time as well as similar facilities. Dressing code is naked for the girls and towels for men. There is a bit couch action, but not very much. Girls are not supposed to come to you, but you can easily discuss with the girls without to be pressured to go for a session. I would recommended rather the one in Saarbrucken, you are more likely to find more girls here. Both clubs are rather small clubs, they are not to be compared to the Frankfurt top Clubs.
However, I have been in FKK 214 about 2-3 years ago, there were a dozen girls, aged 20-30, rated 7-9, with a good ethnical mix (One African two Thai, one Moroccan, the others were German and Eastern European). Management is very welcoming to first timers, girls are extremely friendly in this intimate club. Facilities are not big but nice and clean, especially the rooms.
I had three sessions, and this is fairly unusual, not only one, but all three sessions were extremely GFE. THe first one gave me a free massage after the 30 min session. When I asked if she would charge me for that, she smiled and answered: "No, relax, you are in paradise!". The second one stayed also with me for free after the 30min session, for nearly half an hour naked in bed, side by side, discussing about the men/women issue. I finished also with the third one nicely discussing for an hour once back on the couch,as we had something personal in common. I met her again in Goldentime two years later. She told me that FKK-214 was doing quiete well, a lot of French mongerers had discovered that FKK paradise was not very far from France. According to her you can expect now about 20 girls.
FKK-Club 214 Saarbrücken
Luisenthaler Str. 214 66115 SAARBRÜCKEN
Phone: 0681-776420 or 776430
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-2am and Sun 6pm-2am
Homepage : http ://www.fkk-saarbruecken.com
Entrance : 55€
Prices: starting from 50€/Girl, BBBJ +25€
Misc.: Swimmingpool, Sauna, Solarium, non-alcoholic drink
FKK-Club Neunkirchen
Betzenhölle 20 66538 NEUNKIRCHEN
Phone: 06821-865606
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-2am and Sun 6pm-2am
Homepage: http://www.fkk-neunkirchen.com
Entrance: 55€
Prices: 50€/Girl, French without condom +25€
Misc.: Whirlpool, Sauna, Biosauna, Solarium, Garden
Sventra Tope
12-26-05, 14:01
Routard,
Your posts are always very useful and clear. Ever thought about publishing a "lonely planet guide"? I would bet it might become a best-seller!
Thanks again
Routard's useful report below on i.a. the Saar clubs didn't quite get the prices right for Neunkirchen.
For the past year the entrance has been EUR 50 and EUR 50 gets you BBBJ now as standard.
Was there last Thursday. An OK day in terms of numbers (10-12 girls), but not so great on the quality under the Xmas tree. Pick of the girls was a dark-haired Hungarian called Adriana, who formerly worked for a while in FKK World and FI in Ettlingen.
thanks for the update, Toscana.
Your posts are always very useful and clear. Ever thought about publishing a "lonely planet guide"? I would bet it might become a best-seller!
Yes, I am working on it, but the exact name will be "Horny Planet Guide". But I'm still looking for a publisher. Just PM me if somebody knows one!
I'm not joking, although it has nothing to do about my ISG reports which are based on personal experience, and my humble mongering experience is based only on 20 countries, which is 10% of the planet.
It all started a few years ago when I was afraid that *************archives could disappear from the net, I copied everything on my PC. Later, I started to make a cut/paste with only the releavant info. I continued this for years with the other forums, and of course ISG. Believe me, some ISG threads like Thailand or USA are boring, 99% of waste! I now have a 600 page document covering 200 countries and 100% info. It is designed for personal use only, and I have it on my PDA when travelling.
I'm now rewriting everything with my own words, which makes it more confortable to read. I wonder if it could be published, as there might be some legal issues. And of course I want to stay anonymous.
Rasta,
i hate to tell a senior member to RTFF! but since the advent of the reports of Distinction section and the link to two reports that answer the question "What are the best FKK's" there really is no excuse for this sort of question.
there is no answer, the lineups vary from week to week month to month.
Perhaps Grimberg Sauna. They generally have 4-6 women working 2 of which are stunning, so i think on the days when both of them are working and only two others are working then maybe the ratio of 50% would be pretty high. Otherwise a real shithole, but that wasn't your question.
www.sexydates.tv is not an fkk and has horrible service, but the pictures are truly stunning.
I am trying to think up a couple of more stupid answers, but don't think it is worth the effort.
CBGBConnisur
12-28-05, 00:00
Rastaman, a few years ago I would say Babylon, I recently visited last summer and the quality dropped. You find a mixture at all the clubs, my current guess would be Golden Time or World.
Does Snow affect the FKK clubs much. Im sure if there is heavy snow many guys and some girls would stay away.
I doubt they would close though?? Any thoughts??
Heavy snow is not good for business, virtually any business. Most customers need an alibi to go to a club, and that often has a time limit. So people who are at home thinking of heading to a club often decide not to because of snow.
It doesn't affect as many girls, unless it comes suddenly. There are more girls who sleep at the club, so they usually still show up, unless it is difficult to get there.
Some customers who are stuck on the highway far away from home sometimes will head to an FKK to pass the time until the highway crews get the streets cleaned.
Some customers who are stuck on the highway far away from home sometimes will head to an FKK to pass the time until the highway crews get the streets cleaned.
Been there, done that. Actually it is a great chance to hook up with many of the top-acts who are usually "dauergebucht".
Cheers,
Dedalus
Sergeant Major
12-30-05, 10:49
Hi guys,
We will be in frankfurt on 9th.
How is the weather in there?
I love to have some snow :)
Hi,
If you are looking for snow, Frnakfurt is the wrong place. It hardly ever snows there. Here is the weather link:
http://de.weather.com/weather/local/GMXX0040
Enjoy
euro
Ok guys, let's get 2006 started:
From what I read on this board a taxi from Oase to World would cost me E70- 100. Can anyone confirm? Or maybe give a more accurate estimate?
I am pretty sure you all would recommend a rental car for this exercise, but I would rather avoid the time and hustle to pick up a car. And yes, I have checked www.bahn.de , and once again time is not on our side: It will take approx. two hours including two taxis (Giessen/Bad Homburg to/from the clubs). And it probably would not work at night.
My next trip is mid or late January. The FRA hotels are full (at least IBIS is)which should indicate a messe is taking place. Which again should indicate a crowded Palace, no?
Girlswise, it seems this board favors Palace and Oase over World these days, no?
Also, while all three clubs usually rock at night, I wonder which is best on a cold winter day midweek. Anyone wish to recommend?
Any input on this would be appreciated and favors returned.
It seems that there are a hell of a lot more raids in the past 3 months. I have been lucky enough not to be in any, but i have heard aboput them in almost every club. I have heard a couple of the girls talking for months that it is not just about illegal immigration or working without papers anymore, it is more and more the Internal Revenue (Finanzamt) that is tagging along trying to make sure they get their share.
I know from club managers that for years the tax people have thought the girls earn a hell of a lot more than they actually do. I know of one girl who was stupid enough to get in an argument with one of the cops and when he asked, "how much do you earn?" answered, "More than you!" and thenkept getting deeper and deeper into it. She has a tax bill of 50,000€ now. stupid girl!
But now i know that the first club told me that they got mail from the tax man saying they have to register each girl working there with 25€ a day to cover their taxes. Well in the Frankfurt clubs where the girls are paying a cover charge of 55 or 65€ a day that might be possible. In the düsseldorf area clubs the girlss are paying more like 15€ a day, and business isn't booming in any sort of way where the girls could afford that.
Clubs will find a way to deal with it, sort of like that I don't pay my TV fees here in Germany, but i do pay the radio ones. If they ever check and catch me i can just claim i bought them used two days earlier and i only have to pay from that day. I figure most clubs will claim that only 10 or so girls are working daily, and then if they raid and there are 40 girls, "well, they just showed up today!"
CBGBConnisur
01-04-06, 05:07
It seems that there are a hell of a lot more raids in the past 3 months. I have been lucky enough not to be in any, but i have heard aboput them in almost every club. I have heard a couple of the girls talking for months that it is not just about illegal immigration or working without papers anymore, it is more and more the Internal Revenue (Finanzamt) that is tagging along trying to make sure they get their share.
I know from club managers that for years the tax people have thought the girls earn a hell of a lot more than they actually do. I know of one girl who was stupid enough to get in an argument with one of the cops and when he asked, "how much do you earn?" answered, "More than you!" and thenkept getting deeper and deeper into it. She has a tax bill of 50,000€ now. stupid girl!
But now i know that the first club told me that they got mail from the tax man saying they have to register each girl working there with 25€ a day to cover their taxes. Well in the Frankfurt clubs where the girls are paying a cover charge of 55 or 65€ a day that might be possible. In the düsseldorf area clubs the girlss are paying more like 15€ a day, and business isn't booming in any sort of way where the girls could afford that.
Clubs will find a way to deal with it, sort of like that I don't pay my TV fees here in Germany, but i do pay the radio ones. If they ever check and catch me i can just claim i bought them used two days earlier and i only have to pay from that day. I figure most clubs will claim that only 10 or so girls are working daily, and then if they raid and there are 40 girls, "well, they just showed up today!"
The tax authorties in the Netherlands are almost as bad, that's why I decided not to get involved in opening an establishment in Amsterdam. Too much risk doing business in a non-Anglo country. No one's making me pay a tax for my Notebook PC or my Plasma HDTV, decided to enjoy life in the 51st US State aka Australia. John Howard and George W Bush, what a team!!
A reliable contact works for a regional tax authority (he's up north near Bremen), and I understand that every tax department has people whose job it is to discover "Schlüpflöcher". Can only translate that as "holes where you can slip through". In other words they are constantly on the lookout for new people or new groups of people slipping through the tax net, and of course freelancers with no issue of receipts or little income evidence are prime targets. Being Germans, they do this thoroughly, and typically they probably spend more money chasing than they actually round up. Imagine the cost of a helicopter raid on Oase.......
And, yes, in certain areas, apparently, the tax guys are zooming in harder on nightlife "earners" as an ever-growing Schlupfloch at times when the states need every euro they can get. So, this could explain the higher frequency of FKK raids at the moment, although it will by no means be limited to FKKs.
I can understand all this. When I raid an FKK my first preoccupation is to find holes I can slip into as well.
What is interesting from Peter's contribution is the implication that the tax authorities are calling the clubs to book not only for their own income, but also by extension for the tax obligations of the girls (registration for EUR 25 a day). This is exactly the sort of "employment relationship" which clubs are loath to imply, let alone practise, so it is indeed a delicate grey area.
I can understand all this. When I raid an FKK my first preoccupation is to find holes I can slip into as well.
:D I love your writing style!
Toscana,
It translates exactly into "Loophole". Both with exactly the same etymological root being the loop when you make a knot that you can slip through.
Also, the 25€ thing is not so much a employee relationship. it fits in with the free contractor thing, but just has a deposit thing. If the girl is filing her own taxes she can state her name and be free of the 25€ fee.
It is more similar to the way that german insurance companies withhold 15% of the value of insurances anonymously for taxes if you transfer it out of country. Or when you sell stocks through a german bank they withhold the capital gains taxes right away. If you can prove that they are tax exempt you can get the money back, otherwise they anonymously go into the tax fund.
Hey,
Anyone else hear this on NPR?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5080430
Cheers,
Dedalus
The Tag Line sounds like the same tired old shit.
Berlin has a very different sex scene than the FKK areas. There is a major FKK there for aboput 3 months now, but it ain't doing well from what i can tell. they had a 40€ entrance deal all December.
Is it all about the plan to have drive in fuck booths?
remember only the finals and very few games are in Berlin, so there will be more games in the NRW region with Dortmund, Gelsenkirchen and Cologne all hosting games.
I really wish there would some day be an article that takes a different bent. seeing how every journalist rehashes the same shit over and over again has really made me lose respect for journalists.
Did you hear the way the translator always intonated, "prostitution"
I am not going into that Cafe Psssst! The women working there seem to have been working in this job way too long. there should be forced prostituion retirement at age 40!
Nycdude8823
01-05-06, 07:16
Am I correct in saying that the ballpark average price for a session with a girl is roughly 50EUR? Is that for 20 mins max usually? or 1 hour? And if you pop once, is that it? Or do you have as many pops in your time? Thanks.
Some of you may have noticed it too, but Kaleu Club Index is not available anymore on the Web. Please find hereafter the complete FKK list back again on ISG (please PM me for any updating, additional info or mistake):
Club 69
Am Rinnerborn 69 35418 ALTEN-BUSEK
FKK Dreamland
Arnsberger Str. 20 59759 ARNSBERG
Phone: 02932-38737
Homepage: http://www.fkk-dreamland.de
Entrance: 0€
Prices: 1x65€, 2x120€, 3x160€
FKK Artemis
Halenseestraße 32-36 10711 BERLIN
Phone: 0890-44410
Homepage: www.fkk-artemis.de
Entrance: 70€
Price: 60€/30min
Open: Daily 11am-5am
La Folie
Kaiser-Friedrich-Str. 63 10627 BERLIN/CHARLOTTENBURG
Phone: 030-3275969
Open: Mon-Sat 6pm to 6am depending on visitors
Homepage : http ://www.la-folie.de
Entrance : 13€
Prices: 70€/Girl, beer 3€
FKK Birkenau
Am chlosspark 65 69488 BIRKENAU
Phone: 06201-34453
FKK-Club Freudenbergstr. 39
Freudenbergstr. 39 44809 BOCHUM-HAMME
Phone: 0234-9580115
Open: Mon-Sat 10am-12pm
Homepage: http://www.freude39.de
Entrance: 30€
Prices: 25€/Girl
Misc.: Sauna with relax area. Club changes prices often. You’ll find up to date prices and specials on their webpage.
FKK-Club Arabella
Lohrheidestr. 63 44866 BOCHUM-WATTENSCHEID
Phone: 02327-33394, 02327-322627 (answering machine)
Open: daily 10am-12pm
Homepage: http://www.fkk-arabella.de/
Entrance : 35€
Prices : 25€/20 min., french total +25€
Misc.: sauna, solarium, hotpool, garden, suitable for wheelchair. Club changes prices often. You’ll find up to date prices and specials on their webpage.
FKK-Club Böblingen
Otto Lilienthalstr. 32 71034 BÖBLINGEN
Entrance : 55€
Prices : 55€/Girl
Life 2000
Bonnerstr. 8 53173 BONN
Phone: 0228-354774
Open: Mon-Sat 9pm-5am
Club 111
Bonner Talweg 111 53113 BONN
Phone: 0228-224943
Open: Mon-Fri 8pm-5am, Sat ?
Entrance: 20 €
Prices: 90€/Girl, drink 3€, alk. Drinks 6€
Sauna Club Palm Beach
Pützchens Chausee 19853229 BONN-BEUEL
Phone: 0228-480108
Open: daily 20-5
FKK Burg
Was Sundowner
Im Burgacker 45 53123 BONN-DUISDORF
Phone : 0228-9095655
Open : Mon-Fri 11am-12pm
Homepage : http ://www.fkk-burg.de/
Entrance : 10€
Prices: 69€, additional session 40€ (20 minutes each)
Sauna Penelope
Essenerstr. 60 46236 BOTTROP
Phone: 02041-63254
Open: daily 3pm-5am, 9pm-5am Sauna-Nightclub
Homepage : http ://www.club-penelope.de
Prices : 1x50€, 2x97€
Misc.: Sauna, Indoor- and Outdoor pool, all Credit-Cards & Escort-Service
FKK-Club Bremen
Fritz-Thiele Str. 5a 28279 BREMEN
Phone: 0431-8398112, answering machine 0421-8398111
Open: daily 10am-12pm
Entrance : 50€
Prices : 50€/Girl
Misc.: Sauna, no swimmingpool
FKK-Point
Industriestraße 22 76646 BRUCHSAL
Phone : 07251-934141
Open : Mon-Sun 12am-4am
Homepage : http ://www.fkk-point-bruchsal.de
Entrance : 35€
Prices : 50€/sessionSauna Club
Goldentime
Heidweg 1 41379 BRUGGEN
Phone : 02163 8894760
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-1am Sun 3pm-1am
Homepage: www.goldentime.de:
Entrance 50€
Price: 50€/30min 75€/60min
FKK Amnesia
Westring 233A 44579 CASTROP-RAUXEL
Open: Daily 10am-3am Sat-Sun 12am-3am
Phone: 02305-14223
Homepage: www.fkk-amnesia.de
Entrance : 50€
FKK-Pazifik
Industrie Str. 6 64807 DIEBURG
Phone: 0162-6292848
Open: daily 11am-4am
Homepage : :http ://www.fkkpazifik.de:
Entrance : 60€
Prices: 50€/Girl
FKK-Club Dietzenbach
Voltastr. 4 63128 DIETZENBACH
Phone: 06074-47360
Open: daily 10am-12pm
Homepage : :http ://www.fkk-40.de:
Entrance : 40€
Prices : 1x30€, 2x60€, non-alcoholic drinks 3€
Misc.: Club changes prices often. You’ll find up to date prices and specials on their webpage.
FKK-Pur Dormagen
Rostockerstr. 13 41540 DORMAGEN
Phone: 02133-10808 (answering machine 02133-10805)
Open: Mo-So 11am-1am (also on Sun and Bank Holidays)
Homepage: http://www.intimes-revier.de/fkk_pur.html
Entrance: 26€
Prices: 46€/Girl
Misc. : Sauna, garden
Inge´s Sauna Club
Zollstr. 11 41541 DORMAGEN/ZONS
Phone : 02133-41838
Open: Mon-Fri 10am-10pm, Sat 10am-8pm
Entrance: 150€ (incl. Drinks, food and one girl)
Prices: additional girl 100€ each
Misc.: credit cards, bar, open fireplace, winter garden
FKK-Club Heavensgate
Swebenring 36 46286 DORSTEN
Phone: 02369-206182, answering machine 02369-206099
Open: Sunn-Thu 10am-1am (also on bank holydays, Fri+Sat 11am-2am
Homepage: http://www.fkk-heavensgate.de
Entrance: 35€, Happy-Hour 10-13 and 20-23 25€
Prices : 20 Min 25€, 40 Min 50€, 60 Min 75€
Partytreff Tatort
Körner Hellweg 81 44135 DORTMUND
Phone : 0231-591112
Open : Mon-Fri 11am-5pm, Mon-Sun 5pm-12pm
Homepage: http://www.partykreis-dortmund.de
Entrance: see price
Prices: 117€ (after 21 97€), ´Test-Drive´ from 12-13 for 66€
FKK Party Club 370
Wittbraeucker Str. 370 44267 DORTMUND
Phone: 0231-4960285
Open: Mon-Fri 1pm-12pm, Sat + Sun 3pm-12pm
Homepage: http://www.fkk-deutschland.com
Entrance: 0€
Prices: 66€/Girl
Misc.: Swimmingpool, Sauna, free Snacks and drink
FKK-Club Aplerbeck
Aplerbecker Bahnhofstr. 5 44287 DORTMUND/APLERBECK
Phone: 0231-4461113, 0231-4461111 (answering mach.)
Open: daily 10am-12pm
Homepage: http://www.fkk-aplerbeck.de
Entrance : 35€
Prices : 25€/girl
Misc.: Sauna. Club changes prices often. You’ll find up to date prices and specials on their webpage.
Club Belami
Kressenweg 6 44379 DORTMUND/DORSTFELD
Phone: 0231/6185478 (answering machine)
Open: 12am-12pm
Homepage: http://www.fkk-belamie.de/index2.html
Entrance: 35€, from 6pm 25€
Prices: 25€/girl
Misc.: Club changes prices often. You’ll find up to date prices and specials on their webpage.
Club 111
Westerfilderstr. 108 44357 DORTMUND/WESTERFILDE
Phone: 0231-374625
Open: daily 7pm-5am
Ballamann 66
Auf dem Damm 31 47137 DUISBURG
Phone: 0203-4508866
Open: Mon, Wed, Fri 11am-5pm and 5pm-12pm
Homepage : :http ://www.ballamann66.de:
Prices: All inclusive!
Misc. : sauna, solarium
FKK-Club Residenz
Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 17 47167 DUISBURG
Phone: 0203-5007667 answering machine
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-12pm
Homepage: http://www.fkkresidenz.de
Entrance: 0€
Prices: 1x50€, 2x90€, 3x125€, 11-14 and 18-21 happy hour 1x40€, drinks 3€
Misc. : Sauna
Sauna Exclusiv
Weseler Str. 104 48249 DÜLMEN-BULDERN
Phone: 02590-943170
Open: 12am-12pm
FKK Blue Note
Rather Broich 9 40472 DÜSSELDORF
Phone : 0211-9653730
Open : Mon-Sat 11am-01am, Sun 12am-1am
Homepage :
Entrance : 55€
Prices: 25€/Girl
Misc.: Sauna, drinks, Snack and Soup free 5 to 6 girls good quality
FKK-Club Dolce Vita
Briedestr. 44 40599 DÜSSELDORF
Phone: 0211-7489046 (answering mach.: 0211-7489090)
Open: Sun-Thu 11am-12pm, Fri and Sat 11am-03am
Homepage : http://www.fkkdolcevita.de
Entrance : 0€
Prices : 1x70€, 2x95€, 3x120€ (11-14 50€ for one session), drink 3€
Misc. : Sauna, Garden, 7 to 10 girls above 6 nice building
Partytreff Pegasus
Bankstr. 69 40476 DÜSSELDORF
Phone : 0211-5144930
Open: Mon-Fri 10am-3pm, Mon-Sat from 7pm-?
Homepage: http://www.pegasus-duesseldorf.de
Entrance: 120€
Prices: All inclusive.
Trauminsel
Dreherstr. 212 40625 DÜSSELDORF
Phone: 0211-232420
Tropicana
Corneliusstrasse 76 40215 DÜSSELDORF
Phone: 0211-9944715
Open: 10am-3am
Entrance: 0€ (if you leave club without having sex 25€)
Prices : 1x65€, 2x99€, 3x125€, drinks 3€
Misc : 8 girls rating 7 to 9
FKK-Club Babylon
Oststr. 12 50189 ELSDORF
Phone: 02274-905588
Open: Mon-Thu & Sat 12am-11pm, Fri 12am-1am
Homepage: http://www.babylon-wiago.de
Entrance: 30€
Prices: 1x80€, additional session 65€ each, anal +50€, drinks free
Misc.: biosauna, sauna, masseur, suitable for wheelchair no longer a must place: overpriced and quality decreased
Swing2You
Heinrich-Hertz-Str. 24 a 40699 ERKRATH
Phone: 0211-5203374, 0163-4739756
Open: Mon-Fri 10am-4pm + 4pm-12pm, Sat 5pm-1am, Sun 4pm-10pm
Homepage: http://www.swing2you.com/
Entrance: 100€, 110€ at night (Ladies free, couples 30€)
Prices: see entrance fee (all inclusive)
FKK-Club Penelope
Hundebrinkstr. 8 45326 ESSEN
Phone: 0201-313514 (answering mach. 0201-325187)
Open: Sun-Thu 10am-12pm , Fri and Sat 10am-4am
Homepage: http://www.fkk-penelope.de
Entrance: 30€
Prices: 25€/Girl
Misc.: Sauna, Swimmingpool. Club changes prices often. You’ll find up to date prices and specials on their webpage.
Sauna Club Happy House
Schmemannstr. 2 45326 ESSEN
Phone: 0201-327114
Open : Mon-Sat 9pm-5am
Schloß 145
(Not a sauna club)
Schloßstr. 145 45359 ESSEN/BORBECK
Phone: 0201-674027 (answering machine)
Open: Mon-Fri 10am-10pm, Sat 10am-5pm
Homepage: http://www.club-schloss145.de/
Entrance: 0€
Prices: 79€ 1/2h, 104€ 1h
Misc.: Not a sauna club, but added to the club-index anyways
FKK Flamingo Island
Ferdinand-Porsche-Str. 6 76275 ETTLINGEN
Phone: 07243-52 44 52
Entrance: 60€
Homepage: www.fkk-flamingo-island.de
FKK-Palace
Königsbergerstr. 23 60487 FRANKFURT
Phone: 069-70791716
Open: daily 11am-5am
Homepage : http://www.fkk-paradies.de
Entrance : 65€
Prices: 50€/30min
Misc.: Sauna, Whirlpool, Tue lingerie day, Thu Spanish Night
F35 Frankfurt
Franziusstr. 35 60314 FRANKFURT
Phone: 069-498794
Open: 11am-4am daily
Homepage : http://www.f35.de
Entrance : 50€
Prices: 50€/Girl, anal&French total +50€
Misc: 7 10 girls range 6 to 9 one of the better FKK
Club T16
Tucholskystr. 16 60598 FRANKFURT
Phone: 069-60504580
Open: Mon-Fri 3pm-11pm
Homepage: http://www.clubt16.com
FKK Club Napoleon
Hanauer Landstr. 587 60386 FRANKFURT
Phone: 069-40894648
Open: daily 6pm-4am
Homepage : http://www.club-napoleon.de/
Entrance : 40€
Prices: 70€/Girl
Feelings Sauna Club
Elisabethstr. 14 50226 FRECHEN
Open: Mon-Sat 10am-11pm
Entrance: 30€, from 7 pm 15€
Prices: 80€/Girl, drinks free
Misc.: Swimmingpool, credit cards accepted
Party-Treff Unlimited
Schmiedestr. 11 45359 GELSENKIRCHEN
Phone: 0209-4095600
Open: Mo-Fr breakfast party 10-16, night party 16-24
Homepage: http://www.happynight.de/fkk-party-gelsenkirchen/
Entrance: 105€
Prices: All inclusive
FKK-Club Grimbergstr
Grimbergstr. 12 45889 GELSENKIRCHEN
Phone: 0209-878891, 0209-879089
Open: daily 10am-12pm
Homepage: http://www.fkk-grimberg.de
Entrance: 0 €
Prices: 1x55€, 2x85€, 3x99€, 10-12 and 21-24 45€
Misc.: Club changes prices often. You’ll find up to date prices and specials on their webpage.
Saunaclub Filou
Hohbacke Str. 65 45899 GELSENKIRCHEN
Phone: 0209-1798736
Open: daily 11am-3am
Entrance : 0€
Prices : 1x35€, 2x70€, 3x105€
Misc. : sauna, Turkish bath, swimmingpool
FKK-Club Fantasy Land
Brunnenstr. 15 56412 GÖRGESHAUSEN
Phone: 06485-180517, 06485-180518 (answering mach.)
Open: daily 11am-4am
Homepage: http://www.fkk-fantasyland.de
Entrance: 50€
Prices: 55€/Girl, French total +50€
Misc.: 5000 qm Garden, Swimmingpool, Whirlpool, Sauna
FKK-Party-Club-Thueringen
Marktplatz 8 98704 GRÄFINAU-ANGSTEDT
Phone: 03678-550799, 0162-4557508
Homepage: http://www.fkk-thueringen.de/
Entrance: 50€
Prices: 1st session 50€, each additional session 40€
Partytreff Hagen
Bergstrasse 123 58095 HAGEN
Phone: 02331-182624 (answering machine), 0171-646-8997
Open: Mon+Tue, Thu-Sat from 5pm
Homepage: http://www.partytreff.women-at-web.de
Entrance: all inclusive
Prices: Mon 120€, other days 89€, couples 25€, women free
FKK-125 Hamburg
Saseler Chaussee 125 22393 HAMBURG
Phone: 040-60096260
Open: daily 12am-1am
Homepage : http://http://www.fkk125.de/
Entrance : 50€
Prices: 50€/Girl, drinks and snacks free
Misc.: Sauna, swimmingpool
Sauna Club Cleopatra
Im Ried 44 59063 HAMM
FKK Club Hamm Waterloostr
Waterloostr. 21 59067 HAMM
Phone: 02381-417896
Prices: 1x50€, 2x75€, 3x105€
Sauna Exclusiv
Hülskamp 11 59073 HAMM/HEESSEN
Phone: 02381-32561
Open: Mon-Sat from 8pm
Homepage: http://www.sauna-exclusiv.de
Misc.: SwimmingpoolRivieraRoscherstr. 4 30161 HANNOVERPhone: 0511-3482239
FKK Atlantik
Oderstr.10 Industriegebiet Nord 63452 HANAU
Phone: 06181 180 78 78
Homepage : www.atlantik-fkk.de
Open : Daily 11am-3am Fri-Sat 11am-5am
Entrance: 55€
FKK Villa
Am Tönnisberg 1 30453 HANNOVER
Phone: 0511-2626868 (Info), 0511-43833415
Open: daily 11am-3am
Homepage: http:// www.fkk-villa.de
Entrance: 60€
Prices: 50€ (BJ with condom+IC), 75€ (BBBJ+IC)
Misc.: Sex cinema
Party Haßlinghausen (Tina + Ralf)
Zum Strandbad 32 45549 HAßLINGHAUSEN
Phone: 02339-138450
Open: Mon-Fri 10am-3pm and 5pm-12pm, Sat from 12am, Sun from 5pm (Sat+Sun open End)
Homepage: http://www.partytreff-hasslinghausen.de/
FKK-Club Calygula
53773 HENNEF
Phone: 02242-81042
Open: Mon-Thu 2pm-2am, Fri+Sat 2pm-3am
Homepage : http://www.fkk-club-calygula.de/
Entrance : 35€
Prices: 75€/30 minutes, additional half an hour 65€
Bernd´s Saunaclub (Schieferhof)
Schieferhof 28 53773 HENNEF/LICHTENBERG
Phone : 02248-1529
Open : Mon-Fri 2pm-1am
Homepage : http://www.bernds-sauna-club.de
Entrance : 70€
Prices: 50€/Girl
Misc.: Swimmingpools, sauna, garden
Haus 18
(Not a FKK club, but added anyway)
Ackerstr. 18 32051 HERFORD
Phone: 02221-109146
Open: daily 1pm-11pm
Homepage: http://www.owl-intim.de/haus18.htm
Entrance: 0€
Prices: starting 50€/girl, 150€/hour, BBBJ and kissing incl., French total + 25€
Moonlight Nightclub
Luebbecker Str. 172 32051 HERFORD/LAAR
Phone: 05221-3590
Hobbyhuren-Party
Hernerstrasse 41 44651 HERNE
Phone: 02325-586181
Open: 3pm-8pm daily?
Homepage: http://www.hobbyhuren-party.de
Entrance: 150€ all inclusive, couples and single women 25€
FKK-Club Werderstr.
Werderstr. 76 44628 HERNE/HORSTHAUSEN
Phone: 02323-80357 (answering machine), 02323-81950
Open: daily 10am-12pm
Homepage: http://www.spassbad-herne.de
Entrance : 25€
Prices : 20€/Girl
Misc.: Sauna, swimmingpool. Club changes prices often. You’ll find up to date prices and specials on their webpage.
FKK-Club Hilchenbach
Vormwalder Str. 1 57271 HILCHENBACH
Phone: 02733-129313
Open: daily 11am-1am
Entrance : 26€
Prices : 20 min 50€, 30 min 80€, 1h 130€
FKK-Pur 14a
Zur Alten Kolonie 14a 59439 HOLZWICKEDE
Phone: 02301-4454
Open: daily 10am-12pm
Entrance : 55€
Prices : 25€/girl
Misc. : Sauna
Haus Chaussee
Chausseestr. 142 59439 HOLZWICKEDE
Phone: 02301-12124
Open: daily 9pm-5am
FKK-Club Iserlohn
Dröscheder-Berg 4 58638 ISERLOHN
Phone: 02374-973691 (answering machine)
Open: daily 10am-12pm
Homepage : :http ://www.fkk-iserlohn.de/:
Entrance : 30€
Prices: 25€/Girl
Misc.: Club changes prices often. You’ll find up to date prices and specials on their webpage.
Club Michelle
Victoriastr. 10 58636 ISERLOHN
Phone: 02371-437452
Open: Mon-Thu 9pm-4am, Fri-Sat 9pm-5am
Homepage: http://www.sauna-exclusiv.de
FKK-Club La Rose
Raiffeisenstr. 1 58638 ISERLOHN
Phone: 02371/157192
Open: Mon-Sat 12am-12pm
Homepage: http://www.fkk-la-rose.de
Entrance: 35 €
Prices: starting from 20€, extras need to be discussed with the girls
Misc.: Club changes prices often. You’ll find up to date prices and specials on their webpage.
Château am Schwanensee
Ziegeleiweg 24 30916 ISERNHAGEN
Phone: 05139-8067550
Open: from 10am
Homepage: http://www.chateau.de
Sauna-Club Tutti Frutti
Buettgenerstr. 2 41564 KAARST
Phone: 02131-62636
Moonlight Club
August-Thyssenstr. 4 41564 KAARST-HOLZBÜTTGEN
Phone: 02131-67777
Open: daily 11am-5am
Entrance : 80€
Misc.: Whirlpool, sauna, credit cards
Schlaraffenland
Bruchweg 134 41564 KAARST-HOLZBÜTTGEN
Phone: 02131-67711
Open: daily 11am-5am (also Sun and Bank Holidays)
Prices: daytime 60€/Girl, 120€/h, night 80€/160€, BBBJ + 50€
If-Club FKK Party
Unnaer Str. 40 59174 KAMEN
Phone: 02307-72907 (answering machine 02307-79847)
Open: Mon-Fri 1pm-4am, Sat 8pm-4am
Homepage: http://www.if-club.de
Entrance : 0€
Club Matinee
Friedrichstr. 2 47475 KAMP-LINTFORT
Phone: 02842-929045
Homepage : http://www.club-matinee.de/
Entrance : 0€
Prices : 70€ 30min, 120€ 1h
Privat-Club
Dennhäuser Str. 71 34134 KASSEL
Phone : 0561-43991
Sauna Club Kassel
Leipziger Strasse 377 34123 KASSEL
Phone : 0561-8168439
Entrance : 25€
Prices : 25€/20 Min., BBBJ +10€
Acapulco Club Sauna
Merowingerstr. 67 50677 KÖLN
Phone: 0221-311645
Open: daily 9pm-4am
Homepage: http://www.acapulco-koeln.de/index.htm
Entrance: 50€
Prices: 100€/Girl, 200€/hour
Misc.: Smal pool, sauna
Club Caesar
Stolberger Str. 196c 50933 KÖLN
Phone : 0221-4992200
Open : Mon-Fri 11am-11pm
Misc.: Video, solarium, sauna, theme-parties, garden
Club Royal
Niehler Str. 66 50733 KÖLN
Phone : 0221-729579
Open : Mon-Fri from 1pm
Misc.: Sauna, Video, Hot-Whirl-Pool
Schwitzbad 18
Heinsbergstr. 18 50674 KÖLN
Phone: 0221-237079
Open: Mon-Sat from 12am, Sun from 6pm
FKK Sudbad
Mattias-Bruggen Str 12 50827 KÖLN
Phone: 0221-595 35 04
Homepage: www.sudbad.de
Open : Daily 1pm- 1am Fri-Sat 1pm-3am
Entrance : 50€
Price : 50€/30min
Rosy´s FKK-Sauna
Thürmchenswall 66a 50668 KÖLN
Phone : 0221-1392655
Open : Mon-Fri 1pm-1am
Sauna-Club Angelique
Große Brinkgasse 12 50672 KÖLN
Phone: 0221-256862
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-9pm
Club Neptunplatz
Neptunplatz 7 50823 KÖLN
Phone: 0221-522985
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-1am
Kings Club
Neusser-Str. 695 50737 KÖLN
Phone: 0221-742558
Open : Mon-Fri 10am-3am
Club Ibiza
Blumenstr. 77a 50670 KÖLN
Phone: 0221-728990
Open : Mon-Sat 12am-1am
Sauna Club Römerbad
Piusstr. 48 50823 KÖLN
Phone: 0221-511031
Open: daily from 8pm
Homepage : :http ://www.roemerbad-cologne.de/:
Entrance : 50€
Prices : 100€/30 minutes, Coke 6€, beer 8€
Misc.: Sundays and Mondays 50% discount, all credit cards, sauna, pool, hotpool
FKK-Sauna-Club Cubana
Alteburger Str. 287 50968 KÖLN/BAYENTHAL
Phone: 0221-388597
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-1am
Homepage: http://www.6relax.de/fkk-cubana
Entrance: no entrance from 11-21
Misc.: Sauna, swimmingpool
FKK-Club Mondial
Hugo-Junkers-Str. 10 50739 KÖLN/LONGERICH
Phone: 0221-5896402
Open: Mon-Fri 10am-3am, Sat+Sun 12am-3am, Happy Hour 10am-2pm
Homepage : :http ://www.fkk-mondial.de/:
Entrance : 50€
Prices: 30€ per girl
Misc: 10 girls 3 to 6 range
Sauna Club Samya
Kirschbaumweg 26a 50996 KÖLN-ROENKIRCHEN
Phone: 02236/969636
Open: Mon-Sat 11-1, Sun 15-1
Homepage: http://www.samya.de/
Entrance: 50€
Price: 50€/30min inc. BBBJ
Waldsauna
Rather Mauspfad 11 51107 KÖLN
Phone: 0221-865916
Misc.: Garden, swimmingpool
Mit Fick Zentrale
Uerdingerstr. 64 47799 KREFELD
Phone: 02151-602299
Open: Mon-Fri 10am-3pm, Mon-Sun 4pm-12pm
Entrance: 130€ (all inclusive), Sun 120€
Prices: All inclusive!
Misc.: Sauna, Buffet
Sun Club
Hafelsstr. 237 47809 KREFELD-OPPUM
Phone: 02151-547209
Open: 7pm-5am, from 12am-10pm Party Total
Entrance: 0€
Prices: Partytime: 50€ (all inclusive), after 22 100€/Session
FKK & Saunaclub Europa
Essener Str. 27a 04129 LEIPZIG
Phone: 0341-2251751
Open: daily 12am-2am
Homepage: http://www.fkk-europa.de
Entrance : 45€
Prices : 50€/Girl, BBBJ + 50€
Chalet Club
Im Schmeltebruch 93 33818 LEOPOLDSHÖHE
Phone: 05208-1410
FKK-Sauna-Club Wiago
Julius-Doms-Str. 12 51373 LEVERKUSEN/KÜPPERSTEG
Phone: 0214-8606124
Open: Mon-Sat 2pm-1am
Homepage: http://www.babylon-wiago.de
Entrance: 30€ (14-17 no entrance fee)
Prices: 1x80€, additional girl 65€ each, anal +50€, drinks free
Misc.: Sauna, Biosauna, Swimmingpool, solarium
Club Klein Paris
Hans-Böckler-Str. 48 59348 LÜDINGHAUSEN
Phone: 02591-940516, 02591-940517
Open : Mon-Fri 2pm-2am, Sat 2pm-5am, Sun 12am-8pm
Homepage : http ://www.club-kleinparis.de
Entrance : 0€
Prices: 1x50€, 2x80, 3x110€ (each 20 min.)
La Bouche
Parkstr. 16 44532 LÜNEN
Phone : 02306-24711
Open : Mon-Fri 12am-11pm
Homepage : http ://www.fkk-la-bouche.de
Entrance : 0€
Prices : 1x37€, 2x75€, 3x95€
Misc. : Sauna, buffet
Business Club Sauna 2000
Dümmer Weg 228b 45772 MARL/DREWER
Phone: 02365-61929
Open: Mon-Sun 6pm-3am
Homepage: http://www.bcs2000.de/
Prices: starting from 50€
Flamingo Bar
Korbacher Str. 34431 MARSBERG
Parkschloß Dali
Madfelderstr. 2 34431 MARSBERG/BREDELAR
Phone: 02991-78156
Open: daily 2pm-5am
Homepage: http://www.parkschlossdali.de
Entrance: 55€
Prices: 35€/Girl, BJ without condom + 15€
Misc.: Sauna, whirlpool, massage
Club Cherie
Bruchgasse 10 53894 MECHERNICH/EIFEL
Phone: 02443-2939
Open: Mon-Fri 8pm-5am, Sat and Sun from 9pm
Cherie Club
Borgholzhausener Str. 9 49324 MELLE-ALTENMELLE
Phone : 05422-42750
FKK LuLu 139 Menden
Froendenbergstr. 139 58706 MENDEN
Phone: 02373-389770
Open: daily 11am-10pm, Night-Club 10pm-5am
Partytreff Westerwald
Kapellenweg 1 57629 MERKELBACH BEI HACHENBURG
Phone : 02662-944780
Open : Mon-Fri 11am-5pm, Mon-Sat 5pm-11pm, Sat +Sun 2pm-11pm
Homepage: http://www.partytreff-westerwald.de
Entrance: 125€ all inclusive
Prices: see above
Misc.: Massage included in entrance fee!
Partytreff Mettmann
Industriestr. 14 40822 METTMANN
Phone: 02104-170128 or 0173-9411273
Open: Mon-Fri 10am-4pm and 5pm-12pm, Sat 10am-1am, Sun 4pm-10pm
Homepage: http://www.partytreff-mettmann.de
Entrance: 130€ (all inclusive)
Prices: All inclusive!
Club 119
Essenberger Str. 119 47443 MOERS
Phone: 02841-954600
Open: daily 5pm-3am
Entrance : 0€
Club La-Luna
Kautzstr. 9 47441 MOERS
Phone: 02841-144395
Open: daily 10-23, 23-5 Night Club
Entrance : 25€
Prices: 30€/Girl
Club Bar
Lindenstr. 128 41063 MÖNCHENGLADBACH
Phone: 02161-89482
Open: daily 11am-5am
Sauna-Club-2000
Erzbergerstr. 137 41065 MÖNCHENGLADBACH
Phone: 02161-407293
Open: Mon-Sat 1pm-2am, Sun 2pm-10pm
Homepage: http://www.6jetzt.de/sauna-club-2000/index.htm
Entrance: ? €
Prices: 60€/Girl, massage, drinks and buffet included
Insider Privat Club
Waldhausener Str. 219a 41061 MÖNCHENGLADBACH
Phone: 02161-833933
Open: Mon-Thu from 12am, Fri-Sun from 1pm
Homepage: http://www.6jetzt.de/Insider
Tag und Nacht Cafe
Sittard 31 41179 MÖNCHENGLADBACH-RHEINDAHLEN
Phone : 02161-821550
Open : Mon-Thu 5pm-3am, Fri+Sat 5pm-4am, Sun 5pm-1am
Homepage : http ://www.tag-nacht-cafe.de
Entrance : 40€
Prices : 70€
Partytreff Münster
Warendorfer Str. 215 48145 MÜNSTER
Phone: 0251-9730839
Open: Mon-Fri 10am-11pm
Prices: All inclusive
Misc.: Pool, solarium, whirlpool
FKK-Oase Sudfaß
Peter Anders Str. 4 81245 MÜNCHEN-PASING
Phone: 089-884520
Homepage: http://www.fkk-sudfass.de/
Entrance: 55€
Prices: 75€/Girl, French without condom + 50€, drinks included, alcohol. Drinks 6€
FKK-Club Neunkirchen
Betzenhölle 20 66538 NEUNKIRCHEN
Phone: 06821-865606
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-2am and Sun 6pm-2am
Homepage: http://www.fkk-neunkirchen.com
Entrance: 50€
Prices: 50€/30min
Misc.: Whirlpool, Sauna, Biosauna, Solarium, Garden 6 girls poor quality
Club-Bar Paradise
Auf der Heide 20 41462 NEUSS
Phone: 02131-545747
FKK-Club Sylt Nürnberg
Lichtenfelser Str. 2 90427 NÜRNBERG
Phone: 0911-306130 (answering mach.), 0911-306116
Open: daily 12am-4am
Homepage: http://www.fkk-sylt.de
Entrance: 60€
Prices: 50€/Girl, French without condom + 50€, non-alcoholic drinks free, alcohol. Drinks 5€
Misc.: Sex-movies downstairs, garden 10 girls
FKK-Oase Burgholzhausen
Ober-Erlenbacher-Str. 109 61352 OBERERLENBACH
Phone: 06007-7930551 (answering mach.), 06007-930643
Open: daily 10am-4am
Homepage: http://www.fkk-oase.de
Entrance: 65€
Prices: 50€ Girl, French total +50€, non-alcoholic drinks free
Misc.: Pool, Turkish bath, graden, Thursday is lingerie day
FKK-World
Grüninger Weg 35415 POHLHEIM-GARBENTEICH
Phone: 06404-659388
Open: daily 10am-4am
Homepage : :http ://www.fkk-world.de/:
Entrance : 65€
Prices: 50€/Girl, French total +50€
SG-Club
An der Pforte 1 32457 PORTA WESTFALICA
Phone: 0571-76815
Club-Sauna Paradiso
Industriestr. 10a 50259 PULHEIM
Phone: 02238-50000
Open: Mon-Thu 8pm-4am, Fri and Sat 8pm-5am, Sun 9pm-4am
Entrance: 25€
Prices: 80€/Girl, non-alcohol. Drinks free, beer 2,50€
FKK-Colonia
Horchstr. 2 50259 PULHEIM-BRAUWEILER
Phone: 02234-200592
Open: Sun-Thu 3pm-2am, Fri+Sat 3pm-5am
Entrance: 15-20 free entrance, after 25€
Prices: 25€/Girl, non alcoholic drinks 2€
Orchidee Club
Essener Str. 35 40885 RATINGEN
Phone: 02054-8989, answering machine 02054-970416
Open: daily 11am-10pm Sauna Club (10pm-7am Night Club)
Homepage: http://www.orchideen-club.de
Prices: 1x65€,2x95€,3x120€ (Happy Hour 11-13 1x50€)
Misc.: Sauna, whirlpool
Dolce-Vita Westerwald
Harschbacher Str. 43 56316 RAUBACH
Phone: 02684-4880, answering machine 02684-4141
Open: Mon-Sat 12am-3am, Sun 12am-1am
Homepage: http://www.dolce-vita-raubach.de
Misc.: Swimmingpool, sauna, solarium, massage 10girls , 5 good looking, upscale building
FKK-Sauna Villa Romantika
Blitzkuhlenstr. 109 45659 RECKLINGHAUSEN
Phone: 02361-183910 (answering machine), 02361-15283
Open: daily 10am-12pm, 10am-12am and 9pm-12pm happy hour
Homepage : :http ://www.fkk-romantica.de:
Entrance : 25€
Prices: 25€ 1/2 hour
Misc.: Club changes prices often. You’ll find up to date prices and specials on their webpage.
FKK-Sauna Nahestrasse
Nahestr. 5 45663 RECKLINGHAUSEN
Phone: 02361-996203, 02361-996230
Open : Mon-Fri 12am-10pm
Misc.: Sauna, swimmingpool, solarium
FKK Blaue Lagune
Siemensstr. 12 61191 ROSBACH
Phone: 06003-810429, 06003-810988
Open: daily 12am-2am
Homepage : :http ://www.fkk-blaue-lagune.de/:
Entrance : 60€
FKK Waldhaus
Ausserhalb 4 65428 RÜSSELSHEIM
Phone: 06142-175517
Open: daily 10am-4am
Homepage: http://www.fkkwaldhaus.de/
Entrance : 25€
Prices : 75€/session
FKK-Club 214 Saarbrücken
Luisenthaler Str. 214 66115 SAARBRÜCKEN
Phone: 0681-776420 or 776430
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-2am and Sun 6pm-2am
Homepage : :http ://www.fkk-saarbruecken.com:
Entrance : 50€
Prices: 50€/30min
Misc.: Swimmingpool, Sauna, Solarium, non-alcoholic drink
FKK-Erotikburg
Ludwigstr. 53 53721 SIEGBURG
Phone: 0177-5855361
Entrance: 40€
FKK-Club Venus
Wormser Strasse 31 67346 SPEYER
Phone: 06232-980092
Open: daily ?? 11am-12pm
Entrance: 30€
Prices: 60€/session
Tina und Ralf (Partytreff Solingen)
Zum Strandbad 32 45549 SPROCKHÖVEL/HAßLINGHAUSEN
Phone: 02339-138450, Mobile 0171-1040586
Open: Mon-Fri 10am-3pm, Mon-Fri, Sun 5pm-12pm, Sa open end
Homepage: http://www.partytreff-sprockhoevel.de
Entrance: 110€ (all inclusive)
Prices: All inclusive!
Misc.: Sauna, buffet
FKK Münsterland
Auf dem Esch 9 48565 STEINFURT
Phone: 02551-834058
Open: daily 10am-5am
Misc.: Whirlpool, sauna, solarium
FKK-Stuttgart
Formerly FKK Phoenix
Marienstr. 38b 70178 STUTTGART
Phone: 0711-6159770
Open: daily 10am-4am
Homepage: http://www.fkk-stuttgart.de/
Entrance: 55€, incl. drinks
Prices: 55€/Girl
Casablanca
Wangenerstr. 31 70188 STUTTGART
Homepage: http://www.fkk-casablanca.de
Entrance: 40€
Prices: 55€/Girl, Extras +25€ (French kisses, French without condom), non-alc. drinks incl.
Misc.: Sauna, Swimmingpool
FKK Dream
Filderstr. 61 70180 STUTTGART
Phone: 0711-6499466, 0711-6499477
Open: daily 12am-4am
Homepage: http://www.fkk-dream.de/
Entrance: 50€
Prices: 55€, french total +25€
Planet Happy Garden
Butzenstr. 41 47918 TÖNISVORST/OEDT
Phone: 02152-519103
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-1am, Sun 3pm-1am
Homepage: http://www.planet-happy-garden.info/
Entrance: 50€
Prices: 50 € (intercourse w. condom/BJ wo. condom), 75€/hour
Misc.: Solarium, Sauna, Buffet:
Club Einsteinstraße
Einsteinstr. 5 53842 TROISDORF
Phone: 02241-404111
Open: daily 8pm-4am
FKK-Sauna Troisdorf
Otto-Hahn-Str. 10 53842 TROISDORF
Phone: 02241-395434
Open: daily 2pm-1am
Partytreff-Velbert
Harkortstr. 3 42551 VELBERT
Entrance: 88€
Prices: see entrance, all inclusive
Misc.: swimmingpool, sauna
Jenny´s Saunaclub
Ringstr.10 42553 VELBERT/NEVIGES
Phone: 02053-7466 or 5408
Open : Mon-Thu 11am-11pm, Fri 11am-3am, Sat 11am-5am
Entrance : 0€
Prices: 1x70€, 2x100€, 3x130€, 2x times incl. Whirlpool 180€
Diana Bar
Rahser Feld 1 41748 VIERSEN
Phone: 02162-21666
Club Schneewittchen
Gladbacherstr. 513 41748 VIERSEN
Phone: 02162-23445
Open: daily FKK from 11am-8pm, daily 8pm-3am Night Club
Homepage: http://www.schneewittchen-club.de/
Entrance: 25€ (during daytime)
Prices: FKK 45€, Night Club 60€ (1/2 hour), 115 €/hour
Misc.: bar, table dance, 2 whirlpools, 500 square meters
Steinegge
Detmolder Str. 90 32602 VLOTHO/EXTER
FKK Paradies Pascha
Im Dickenhardt 8 à 78054 VS-SCHWENNINGEN
Phone : 07720-811092
Homepage: www.clubpascha.de
Entrance : 50€
Price : 60€/30min
FKK-Club Osnabrück
Otto-Lilienthalstr. 3 49134 WALLENHORST
Phone: 05407-39111
Open: 10am-12pm
Entrance : 0 EUR
Prices : 1x70€, 2x110€, 3x160€, drinks 3€ (no alcohol)
Misc. : sauna
Parksauna Wildenrath
Heinsberger Str. 35 41844 WEGBERG/WILDENRATH
Phone: 02432-908535
Open: Mon-Thu 11am-2am, Fri 11am-4am, Sat 5pm-4am, Sun 5pm-12pm
Homepage : :http ://www.parksauna-wildenrath.de:
Entrance : 50€
Prices : 50€ (intercourse w. condom/BJ wo. Condom), 75€/hour
Saunaclub Sunshine
Blumenkamper Weg 6 46485 WESEL
Phone : 0281-66888
Open : Mon-Fri 11am-10pm
Prices: from 50€
FKK Club Garten Eden
Randersackerer Str. 70 97072 WÜRZBURG
Phone: 0931-87902, answering machine 0931-870241
Open: 11am-9pm FKK, 9pm-4am Nightclub
Homepage : :http ://www.fkk-garten-eden.de/:
Entrance : 30€
Prices : 80€/Girl
Sauna-Club Cocoon
Mollenkotten 243 42279 WUPPERTAL
Phone : 0202-2548289, 0178-7291147
Open : Mon-Sat 10am-3am, Sun 12am-3am
Homepage : :http ://www.fkk-cocoon.de:
Entrance : 50€
Prices : 25€/20 Min, 50€/40 Min, 75€/h, BBBJ +10€, French total +35€
Misc.: Happy Hour from 10-14 and 20-23 entrance 35€, sauna, swimmingpool
FKK Club Aphrodite
Friedrich-Engels-Allee 311 42283 WUPPERTAL
Phone: 0202-6981047
Open: from 11am
Entrance: 30€
Prices: 1x25€, 2x50€, 3x75€
FKK-Tempel Würzburg
Gattinger Straße 29 7076 WÜRZBURG
Phone: 0931/2994081, 0931/2994 (answering mach.)
Open: daily 10am-3am
Homepage: http://www.fkk-tempel.com/
Entrance: 55€
Vitoriabitter
01-05-06, 21:46
Hi,
Checked out Artemis yesterday. can concur on the reports the place is overpriced.
Pricing is back to €75 for visit (was €45 for December) - I requested a tour before I bought in but was declined.
Reception suggested that girls are €60 for 30 mins, & €120 for 60mins.
Receptionists were trying to sell that its a health and wellness centre and the entry is a grand value proposition.
I only had a few hours to kill and balked at the entry fee and didnt enter. As for wellness I was staying in 5* hotel and had plenty of pool and sauna (although the girls in the hotel sauna were 65 year +).
Somebody needs to chat to the manager and get the staff a bit more adept at negotiation. It was 15.00 in the afternoon - empty car park and they are asking almost double what they charged in december.
As opposed, Salon Prestige is literally around the corner & girls are 7+/10 and €40 for 20 mins, €60 for 30mins etc....pure economic sense I guess. And all i can say is the Romp there was 12/10...I'm still dizzy ;)
I wouldve entered Artemis for a reasonable fee, but I didnt want to drop €300+ for a few tumbles in a few hours.
if I had 6+ hours I wouldve thrown down the gauntlet.
It is tougher to find becasue there is a problem with the server, but here is a direct link.
http://193.239.6.136/
I have to thank the german Rheinforum who has it on their server.
CBGBConnisur
01-06-06, 04:51
Artemis's owner is a Turkish businessman, look it up on Wikipedia. He put in about 5 million EUR in the club. Not to sound racist, but he should have opened up a whole bunch of doner kebab shops, I have heard the average kebab shop grosses over 300KEUR a year, they are even giving American fast food companies are hard time in Deutschland. I actually think the Turkish style doner is better than the Greek gyro(my Greek girlfriend in high school would slap me in the face for that). I counted a half a dozen of them around the Bonn hbf. I would buy one and have Turks work there and make me money.
Peter,
You are amazing! I was indeed expecting a report or PM from you, with at least a dozen mistakes to correct in the list. But no, you did better, you found back the original list in the Web jungle!
Hi guys,
Been kind of quiet around here for a while (of course excluding Catalysts great series of reports), so I have decided to post here a somewhat shortened (and rewritten) review I did on another board:
Looking back, 2005 was a very good FKK year for me. No was I only able to get more visits than previous years, but this was also the year I decided to meet up with some fellow punters from this as well as other boards and had a great time at all times.
I have compiled a list of my experiences this year. How did the girls rack up in general? There are two who I will not classify with others as the sessions were somewhat extraordinary. Those are Jill (Palace) and Cordelia (World). I cannot put them in a class with others as my session with Cordelia was a group session (MMMF) and great as such, but very different from anything else I did. The session with Jill was very different from anything else (I had to stretch my cardiovascular abilities to the limit to please her, but in a very strange way it was very satisfactory).
I understand that this kind of ranking is very arbitrary, and it is more for fun than anything else. As always YMMW and the best advice that I have read on the board is that you should find your own top acts instead of always treading known waters. Of my top 5, I think only 2 had been reported on any of the boards before I met them (Andrea and Vicky).
Other than that, this year in terms of girls was as follows (in somewhat order of preference):
The great providors (for various reasons):
Gabriela - Venezuela (Oase)
Andrea - Czech (World)
Lizzy – Moldavia (Oase)
Vicky – Czech (Palace)
Beatrice – Poland (Oase)
The good providors:
Daniela – Romania (World)
Natascha – Romania (World)
Selina - Lithuania (Oase)
Natalie – Czech (Palace)
Linda – Jamaica (World)
Simone – Czech (Palace)
Blond perky Julia – Romania (World)
Katrin – Russia (Oase)
Larissa – Romania (World)
Isabel – Romania (Palace)
Tia – Turkey (Palace)
Jennifer – Dominican Rep (Oase)
Julia – Domincan Rep (Oase)
Olga – Russia (World)
Nicole – Serbia (World)
Tina – Croatia (World)
The ok providors:
Maria – Romania (World)
Juliana – Croatia (Oase)
Claudia – Romania/Spain (World)
Dark haired Julia – Romania (World)
Aida – Romania (World)
Racula – Romania (World)
Alina – Russia (Oase)
Angelique – Russia (Palace)
Linda – Greece (Oase)
Linda – Czech (Palace)
Marina - Russia (Oase)
Victoria – Poland (Oase)
Letithia – Morocco/Spain (Oase),
Laura – Jamaica (World)
Marcella - Brazil (Palace)
Jemariene - Guadalupe (World)
Lousia – Morocco / Spain (Oase)
Sasha – Ukraine (Palace)
The “not so good” ones:
Kitty - Estonia (Oase)
Anna – Lithuania (Palace)
Rebecca – Romania (World)
Vanessa – Romania (World)
Well, Vanessa was the only one I would say was really bad, but I think it was due to her inexperience at the time. Anna had really bad teeth and her breast implants were probably done by a hack. Rebecca had some reddish thing going on with her pussy that made me worry and Kitty defines the term “mechanical sex”
6 girls were so lucky to have multiple sessions with yours truly: Gabriela, Andrea, Lizzy, Daniela, Alina, Beatrice, and Natalie. Would repeat with all of them. Probably spent most time last year with Gabriela and Andrea.
Most memorable sessions:
4some (MMMF) with Cordelia in November
Session with Vicky at Palace in November
Session with newbie Maria from Romania at World in June (she was shellshocked after her first 5 days on the job)
Sessions with Andrea at World
My second session with Daniela at World
Sessions with Gabriela at Oase
Session with Jill at Palace (because of how hard it was)
Sessions with Beatrice at Oase
Best BBBJ:
Andrea at World for her DT ability
Russian Alina at Oase for her ball licking techinique
Vicky at Palace for her DT
Selina at Oase gets an honorable mention for trying DT but failing
Best tits:
Marina – Russia. Her breasts had me wandering if Newton was wrong
Selina – Lithuania. A perfect specimen of synergy
Beatrice – Poland. Everything on her body is almost perfect
Linda – Czech. Humongous mugs. I am not that fond of huge mugs, but can’t leave her out of this category
Natascha – Romania. Ohhh so soft, but still so firm. What a paradox!
Best overall body:
Beatrice – Poland
Marina – Russia
Larissa – Romania
Linda – Jamaica
Best tasting pussy (ok, I really only remember two great):
Natascha – Romania. This girl defines good hygenie
Andrea – Czech. Always made sure she smelled and tasted good
Best rim job:
Gabriela – Venezuela
Vicky - Czech
Most memorable moments:
Vicky going for an armpit lick
Gabriela showing her finger up my ass (my first time, and I did not like it that much, but memorable it is for sure)
Gabriela giving me massage and all of a sudden showing her tounge up my ass
Jennifer at Oase trying to take weeks load of cum in her mouth but giving up half way through and instead taking the second half all over her face. What a trooper not bailing out completely!
Doggy with Marina from Russia, her ass, waistline and tits…yummie. The vision is imprinted in my brain
Most memorable quotes:
“You guys have been watching too much porn”: Cordelia said jokingly when we were trying to do a DP standing up on the bed during a MMMF foursome at World
“Is it ok if I go now, I really have to take a shit”: Juliana at Oase 55 minutes into an hour session where the second pop was anal with some undesired effects when I pulled out
“I know what men want”: Vicky at Palace when I asked her how she came up with the idea of licking my armpits
And the award goes to......well in the end, it was all good.
Happy new year,
Chivaz
CBGBConnisur
01-08-06, 15:01
A polizei check in an FKK doesn't bother me a bit, a police check in an NYC brothel would mean time behind bars, as well as your photo on cable TV broadcasting to the world that "so and so has sex with prostitutes". The Nazis aren't in Germany these days.
Doctor_Skank
01-08-06, 15:12
Do you think there will be a rise in prices during the world cup this summer?
Or more importantly, do you think that if there is a rise in prices that they'll stick?
I'm hoping that the FKK owners and the girls working there are smart enough to know that there are limits to what people will pay at FKKs (or maybe thee isnt a limit?), but I fear that just like the price increase when the Euro was introduced, there will be a general price increase as all the tourists come to Germany and that this price level will be maintained after the finals are over.
Somehow related to the post of Doc,
I am stationed in Hannover, and saw some funny article in a news paper, stating how much beer, food, hotel rooms etc. would be needed for the World Cup, and it was also mentioned that police estimated that 40,000 extra prostitues were excepted to come as well (based on experience from similar big sport events in other countries in the EU). It was mentioned that as no visa is required for girls from the new EU-countries as well as Romania, Bulgaria etc., a lot of EE-girls would see if they van score something.
Warsteiner
01-08-06, 16:34
I'm pretty sure there will be a rise in prices during the World Cup but I don't think it will stick.
A couple of years ago I was thinking about going to CeBit and staying in Hannover and looking on some of the forums the local clubs pratically doubled their prices during the time CeBit was on and I'm sure it'll be the same with the World Cup.
I think the clubs will also be packed and the girls will be trying to get as many sessions as possible and because the men will probably never be going back to the clubs the girls will know that they do not have to perform particularly well in order to make a lot of money.
Definately a time to steer clear of Germany. I'll be going in April/May and then probably in October once everything has quietened down.
Which FKK clubs can you use credit cards for all services?
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Which FKK clubs can you use credit cards for all services?
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Which FKK clubs can you use credit cards for all services?
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None that I know. You pay the girls in cash and cash only. There might be some that accept credit cards for entry.
World has an ATM at the entrance.
Chivaz
re:creit cards
i do know that the frankfurt clubs used to accept credit cards for a 10% surcharge for all services
re: world cup pricing
first of all dr. skank, most clubs dropped the prices with the coming of the €. 50€ is less than 100dm. the only thing that went up anywhere was the entrance fee at world, palace and oase, all otherclubs dropped prices marginally, some like schieferhof dropped them a lot.
i have not heard of any club raising prices for the world cup. the games are rep001tered all across the country so it is not necessarily a sustained boom for a specific region, so not that many directly in the path of a stadium. i think more will offer some sort of entry deal with a ticket sub or something.
Doctor_Skank
01-12-06, 19:19
Peter:
I assume you are right that any short term price increase will be temporary. Actually most of the prostitution boom will probably take place with low end prostitution, such as the various red light districts in major cities, the drive-in sex booths, street prostitution, bordellos near train stations etc.
In any case, we'll know more in about 6 months.
All For Bb
01-14-06, 02:52
Hi, I plan to visit FKK from Feb 1 to Feb 5. Is that a period of the big fair at Messe? When will be the period of Messe? What is Messe all about? Please advise.
I am a fan of DATY (eat pussy), but still unsure about the safetyness of this activity. I heard DATY is pretty safe (much safer than fuck without using a condom, or nearly as safe as fuck using condom). Any comments?
Thanks a lot.
All For Bb
01-14-06, 04:35
I think the club riviera in Barcelona has the best line-up of girls (quality and quantity) in Europe-even better line-up than German FKKs. May be one of the best line up in the world. Price is similar to FKK.
Other good line-up: Thailand and Brazil. But I like white young pussy than dark skin pussy. Also, Europe girls usually have very pretty feet while Brazilian and Thailand girls' feet are not that attractive. Any commets?
CBGBConnisur
01-14-06, 18:51
The last time I recalled Club Riveria's prices were a bit higher than an FKK. Still Spain is a fine country for pussy.
BB,
If you can book a hotel room using HRS or some other internet company for that time and i seems like any sort of acceptable price then there is no major Trade Fair (which is what Messe is). The trade fairs in the Frankfurt and Düsseldorf Trade Fair sites are huge and can attract over half a million visitors, which really fills up the hotel rooms. In Düsseldorf the hotels charge a little more than double, and in frankfurt it is usually 70% more than non fair times.
Regarding the lineups in Spain. I know that in both Madrid and Barcelona there are far fewer clubs than in Germany, and competition is not necessarily good for this business. There are only a certain number of girls looking to work in this field, and splitting them up between more clubs just means less quality in each individual club. As far as I know Madrid hastwo main clubs and barcelona just the Riviera. When Oase was the only game in the Frankfurt area the lineup was amazing too, same for Babylon back in the old days before there were over 50 clubs within a one hour drive of Cologne.
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