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On the effect of the new laws. Stories about strangers turning up to certain clubs and asking the girls details about their services, and then leaving without going to a room. Stories that clubs are trying to ensure that any new client is given services which scrupulously meet all legal requirement. Stories that clients who are known to post details on the internet are not welcomed by certain girls and some clients asked not to post certain things in case of repercussions, possibly closure, on the relevant clubs. Added to the disappearance of public sex, all these amount to a chilling effect, and a chronic low level fear.
This fear instilled by the bureaucratic system has a significant effect.
HH. Your post reminds me of the saying that the most dangerous person is the one who, with a utopia in his / her eyes insists on doing good to you.
Don't agree with all you say, but there is a lot of fair points.
Cheers.
Member #4581
01-20-18, 22:32
Lots of rumors. How much is real? I suppose in the age of fake news, rumors and news are all the same.
Re: public sex, there hasn't been too much of it even prior to Jan 1 or Jul 1. Old timer members have been saying for a long time that public sex has been continuously declining, partly due to shy girls and just as much due to shy guys. In any case, one can still have public CBJ — perfectly legal. In my first few visits, I used to be quite risk averse and always demanded CBJs but that never stopped me from having it in a public location.
Some girls being bitchy when their name is bandied about on ISG — also not new. That never bothered me, and I always wrote what I had to write candidly and with full names. Perhaps it helps that I am not a very frequent visitor like you lucky guys. Nevertheless, if members write honestly and respectfully then club managements will appreciate and not retaliate, in my personal view.
My prediction of the effect and purpose of the new law has not changed, but things will not change overnight because that will cause a major shock and wake up the sheeple. What typically happens is something called the "Salami Tactic," where every time they slice away a little bit more of your freedom.
Calling these girls in Romania on their telephones is nothing short of mobbing because in a normal free and transparent society everything should be done in writing. If the police or any other authority have any official questions, they should write these girls and invite them to a police station or government bureau where they can answer questions in the presence of their lawyer, but what were you expecting? Let's face it: 'Germans are going to german. ' and history has shown that Germans always gravitate towards totalitarianism, oppression and a police state. They even have a saying and a National Motto for it: "Vertrauen ist gut, Kontrolle ist besser" and "Befehl ist Befehl. " (translation: "Trust is good, to check is better" and "orders are orders".
The real problem, and the reason why things always spin out of control in Germany, is: who will check (I. E. Kontrolieren) the government?.For me, compare to my country, France, or Sweden, Germany is really land of freedom for paid sex. German WGs keep on working at GT, some German part time girls who don t want to be registered will work as escorts, my model was with a escort friend when I met her on this Friday evening, but she said it was to test my reaction, but she doesn't want I go with her friend who is also a beauty and not so tall for me, but height is not a problem when we are on bed. If You are able to find, can really enjoy good sex in some clubs, and sometimes You are lucky to find a jewel, if You are able to make her become a jewel for You.
So when they call Romania do they speak in Romanian over the phone or German?Many girls have work number and private number. How can You imagine all WGs in Germany being called?
Registration is a number given to WGs to identify with a address in Germany, and control them, to get taxes. No more WGs, no more taxes. Fortunately, these girls, their pimp for many, will always want our money.
2018 start in really enjoyable level.
Rogue Nation
01-21-18, 08:51
and I always wrote what I had to write candidly and with full names. Perhaps it helps that I am not a very frequent visitor like you lucky guys. Nevertheless, if members write honestly and respectfully then club managements will appreciate and not retaliate, in my personal view.That was perfectly OK prior to July 2017. Now there's a different aspect to be considered, Optimist has stated it: rent are not welcomed by certain girls and some clients asked not to post certain things in case of repercussions, possibly closure, on the relevant clubs."
ExpatLover
01-21-18, 09:52
Many girls have work number and private number. How can You imagine all WGs in Germany being called?
Registration is a number given to WGs to identify with a address in Germany, and control them, to get taxes. No more WGs, no more taxes. Fortunately, these girls, their pimp for many, will always want our money.
2018 start in really enjoyable level.Right but it is a bit more complex, yes the LU are good but you have noticed that it is not due to fresh and young girls but more due to veteran with several years in the business who are coming back, from where I don t know, also for example in Shark if you get a appointment for registration you can enter the club, I guess that some of those girls get a appointment for March and in the meantime they are working but probably they will not go the appointment. Yesterday at Oase the LU was great the ratio man to woman very favorable for us but not 1 new girl, all girls I know for years and years. I will never session them just because I don't like girls who were fucked 20000 or even more times.
Just had a text conversation with a well-known Sharks girl. She is in Romania and plans to be back in mid-February making here vacation 2 months long. She has not been called by anyone and have an appointment to fix here registration the morning after she returns to Germany. No huge problem for her.
Please everybody, do not think that just because I am told something it is true. I just pass on some of the more innocuous stories I am told as they indicate how people are thinking. For example, the story about calls to Romania may or may not be true, but it indicates one minor thing some girls have concerns about. No more, no less.
ExpatLover
01-21-18, 13:41
Just had a text conversation with a well-known Sharks girl. She is in Romania and plans to be back in mid-February making here vacation 2 months long. She has not been called by anyone and have an appointment to fix here registration the morning after she returns to Germany. No huge problem for her.Obviously no German policeman will never call a Romanian phone number, may be a pimp or a guy trying to cheat the girl, don t believe this kind of buzz. The registration process is very smooth for most of the girls, they are telling me that the people are there to support them not to put them pressure. Nice girls, sex, money is always creating a lot of phantasms for many perverse guys. What seems to be more accurate is that the average age of the girls will slightly increase and that I think more veteran of the P6 scene are in the clubs except that everything is like before.
ExpatLover
01-21-18, 13:44
Please everybody, do not think that just because I am told something it is true. I just pass on some of the more innocuous stories I am told as they indicate how people are thinking. For example, the story about calls to Romania may or may not be true, but it indicates one minor thing some girls have concerns about. No more, no less.Of course it is not true, but you are right a lot of girls especially the younger one with their address in Romanian at the parents house are stressed a lot by the registration also the yearly tax income declaration is putting a lot of pressure to the girls having pimp or BF just because those guys are not willing to pay taxes.
Horny Harry
01-21-18, 14:38
More anecdotes. I have seen my first hurenpass. An innocuous piece of paper, which in its flimsy cheap production has, for me chilling echoes, speaking of a low value assigned to the holders. Subjective.
More obviously to the point, I was told that the authorities had called girls who were absent from a club. That is, calling their telephone numbers while they were in Romania. If true, this is really unpleasant for the girls if they are home with family.(Emphasis mine.).
Just had a text conversation with a well-known Sharks girl. She is in Romania and plans to be back in mid-February making here vacation 2 months long. She has not been called by anyone and have an appointment to fix here registration the morning after she returns to Germany. No huge problem for her.Optimist is talking about a club, not specifically Sharks.
My prediction of the effect and purpose of the new law has not changed, but things will not change overnight because that will cause a major shock and wake up the sheeple. What typically happens is something called the "Salami Tactic," where every time they slice away a little bit more of your freedom.
Calling these girls in Romania on their telephones is nothing short of mobbing because in a normal free and transparent society everything should be done in writing. If the police or any other authority have any official questions, they should write these girls and invite them to a police station or government bureau where they can answer questions in the presence of their lawyer, but what were you expecting? Let's face it: 'Germans are going to german. ' and history has shown that Germans always gravitate towards totalitarianism, oppression and a police state. They even have a saying and a National Motto for it: "Vertrauen ist gut, Kontrolle ist besser" and "Befehl ist Befehl. " (translation: "Trust is good, to check is better" and "orders are orders".
The real problem, and the reason why things always spin out of control in Germany, is: who will check (I. E. Kontrolieren) the government?.With all do respect do you ever post anything positive about Germany? You remind me of those expats who end up disappointing that their new home country is not meeting up to their standards and start bashing everything. You post examples of Germany being authoritarian when you ignore other countries that are far more authoritarian or they becoming one. As for people not challenging the government, I guess you ignored the protests and opposition to government policies in the past and in recent years (the last election showed the CDU and SDP losing votes while parties like FDP and AFD gained enough votes to win seats). It's no different than other countries in that regard.
MarquisdeSade1
01-22-18, 01:44
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/01/21/tory-government-to-set-up-rapid-response-fake-news-unit/
Neurosynth
01-22-18, 03:48
Whenever you see an article or video from RT you should ask yourself "Why would Putin want me to see this? How does it benefit him?" Because that's what RT is. It's Putin's personal disinformation vehicle. This doesn't mean everything they publish is a lie. But they are always to benefit Putin.
So is this so-called "radical feminist" a product of the far left? I don't think so. She's the product of a kind of over-the-edge oppressive feminism that sees anything male-oriented as being intrinsically repressive, and as part of that she seeks to essentially end heterosexuality. Look her up. She's encouraged women to give up on men and become lesbians. She has put down bisexuals and transsexuals.
This is not feminism. This is not left wing politics. Plenty of left wing feminists love men, love heterosexual sex, and during the 90's swung towards seeing free expression of their sexuality as liberation and not kowtowing to male expectations.
And Putin is not a leftist either. He has abandoned Marxism. He favors a form of capitalism where private ownership of the means of production is allowed and encouraged, BUT everyone must bend to the will of the dictator at his demand.
That's not leftist or Marxist. That's fascism.
So why does an article or video like this please Putin? Because he's not looking for any particular outcome or backing any particular side. He just wants to sow chaos and discontent. And in this so-called radical feminist he's found a useful idiot who will do just that.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/01/21/tory-government-to-set-up-rapid-response-fake-news-unit/Well, they call it 'fake news' as a guise to implement censorship. So the world is moving towards fascism all around us. And like Neurosynth say so well, it is not about Marxism. However, the main goal is population control.
Horny Harry
01-22-18, 11:19
Whenever you see an article or video from RT you should ask yourself "Why would Putin want me to see this? How does it benefit him?" Because that's what RT is. It's Putin's personal disinformation vehicle. This doesn't mean everything they publish is a lie. But they are always to benefit Putin.I agree with you that I take RT with a large pinch of salt, but I also take the rest of the MSM (mainstream media) with an equally large pinch of salt. Perhaps you should too?
If you don't like RT, then here is an excellent interview with Jordan Peterson on Channel 4 where he wipes the floor with the feminist bullshit that the propagandist-journalist (desperately trying to twist his words, that's pure propaganda in my eyes) throws at him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54.
I don't want to drag this thread further away from club matters, but I have to agree with HH, Pistons, and, from what I have seen quoted, Neurosynth. The drift is towards increasing control of populations, imposition of new orthodoxies, and the use of media, including alternative non main stream media, to increase intolerance and enable new laws and orthodoxies to arise. (As N. suggests, the question always is to be asked "why does X or Y want me to see this? Or not see). These all combine, from left, right, and populist wings, to weaken the institutions which underpin democracy.
(Of course, democracy itself is an imposed orthodoxy, but I would suggest the latitude for nonconformity tends to be higher in democracies during freethinking times than under the current trends fostered by left, right, and populist).
Just a few thoughts.
Let's face it: 'Germans are going to german. ' and history has shown that Germans always gravitate towards totalitarianism, oppression and a police state. They even have a saying and a National Motto for it: "Vertrauen ist gut, Kontrolle ist besser" and "Befehl ist Befehl. " (translation: "Trust is good, to check is better" and "orders are orders".You mean the Russian proverb popularized by Ronald Reagan?
Trust, but verify (Russian: Доверяй, но проверяй, Doveryai, no proveryai) is a Russian proverb. The phrase became well known in English when used by President Ronald Reagan
Citizen Kane
01-23-18, 17:58
MSM in general;.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/?icid=hjx004
Smoke Light
01-28-18, 18:07
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/?icid=hjx004Your post doesn't link to any specific article. Could you please clarify what's the commotion is all about?
The link doesn't work anymore but I'll say this anyway: You can have as much cash on your person as long as you declare it. It's also interesting to note that if someone is American and is worried about this then should know that CBP also inspects travellers, even those leaving.
ExpatLover
01-28-18, 21:18
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/?icid=hjx004You are allowed to carry 10000 euros with you, and months after months the authorities are intensifying the controls this is linked with the new law about prostitution. Also there is a stricter control of the money transfer from Germany to Romania.
The link doesn't work anymore but I'll say this anyway: You can have as much cash on your person as long as you declare it. It's also interesting to note that if someone is American and is worried about this then should know that CBP also inspects travellers, even those leaving.For EU citizens the rule is as follows: up to 10 k euros you are only required to provide information if challenged to do so. Higher than 10 k you have to fill in forms at the airport before flying out. I assume this also applies to non EU people who carry cash out of the EU. It may be a good idea to have the bank statements handy.
Jimmy Boy 99
01-29-18, 00:57
Your post doesn't link to any specific article. Could you please clarify what's the commotion is all about?https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/framed-arrested-and-robbed-by-the-police-in-frankfurt_us_5a58f270e4b01ccdd48b5bbf
Smoke Light
01-29-18, 02:17
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/framed-arrested-and-robbed-by-the-police-in-frankfurt_us_5a58f270e4b01ccdd48b5bbfThanks for clarification. Great example of how not to behave at the airport. Also never talk to the police. Ever. Want to file a complaint? Do it quietly, hire a lawyer. LOL.
The link doesn't work anymore but I'll say this anyway: You can have as much cash on your person as long as you declare it. It's also interesting to note that if someone is American and is worried about this then should know that CBP also inspects travellers, even those leaving.She had only $260 usd on her. They robbed her of it due to no First Amendment protection in Frankfurt. Better to have $0 euros or usd while in transit.
Citizen Kane
01-29-18, 18:10
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/framed-arrested-and-robbed-by-the-police-in-frankfurt_us_5a58f270e4b01ccdd48b5bbfSo, long story short; woman tries to take liquids undisclosed through security (despite being a 'frequent flyer'), gets caught, has an argument over what constituents a liquid, makes a comment about another passenger's 'Nazi' haircut, gets arrested.
ExpatLover
01-29-18, 19:49
She had only $260 usd on her. They robbed her of it due to no First Amendment protection in Frankfurt. Better to have $0 euros or usd while in transit.This story can t be true, never a german policeman will robbe money, they are cameras everywhere, for sure they are controlling more and more to reduce the cash exit, last time they controlled me but I was just carrying 9500 euros so they things went very smoothly.
So, long story short; woman tries to take liquids undisclosed through security (despite being a 'frequent flyer'), gets caught, has an argument over what constituents a liquid, makes a comment about another passenger's 'Nazi' haircut, gets arrested.Lock her up and throw away the key.
I got stuck in a queue at Heathrow behind a whole bunch of these dimwits when my bag of liquids was randomly selected for screening; the guy at the head of the queue was arguing with the supervisor about how long it was all taking, in reply the supervisor told him he would ask his staff to work even slower. I could have decked the guy when they finally checked his bag and pulled out a box of aftershave.
Three strikes like this and they should be barred from flying for a year.
Horny Harry
02-01-18, 11:38
Formula One bans grid girls: http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/42890261.
On a positive note, since these 'poor and exploited women' will now be unemployed thanks to frustrated radical feminists, perhaps they will make a career move into the escort or FKK business in order to be able to pay the bills?
Horny Harry
02-01-18, 17:08
On a positive note, since these 'poor and exploited women' will now be unemployed thanks to frustrated radical feminists, perhaps they will make a career move into the escort or FKK business in order to be able to pay the bills?I meant this comment sarcastically (hence the "sarc" at the ending).
Citizen Kane
02-01-18, 17:50
Formula One bans grid girls: http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/42890261.
On a positive note, since these 'poor and exploited women' will now be unemployed thanks to frustrated radical feminists, perhaps they will make a career move into the escort or FKK business in order to be able to pay the bills?It's almost as if unattractive women dislike attractive women...
It's almost as if unattractive women dislike attractive women...Of course they do. When you see your friend gets all the perks (attention, better jobs, status) just because of looks when you work twice as hard, you too will feel that it is unfair. The ugly ones hang around hoping for the scraps.
Sort of not related to whoring but still relevant —.
I'm not as young as I used to be, and spending a week consecutively in an FKK will leave me bored and unappreciative. Even a starving man can't sit at a buffet table for days on end.
I know one guy who saves up his vacation, flies into Frankfurt from California for a month, but hops on a flights across Europe to visit museums in other cities and to take photos.
I don't have a month's vacation, but I'm thinking of flying into Frankfurt for 10 days — spending 3 days in FKKs, 4 days doing something else, and 3 more days fucking.
I'm not a fan of museums of photography though. I like outdoors things, anyone done any hiking or cycling around Frankfurt, elsewhere in Germany or elsewhere in Europe? Any tips or advice?
Or I was considering going to one of the Baltics and partying with regular girls and semi-pros in an environment where my money goes further. Any ideas welcome.
I've done some train touring to see the castles along the Rhine up to Koln. And once in awhile I'll slip off to Berlin for street art and running along the Spree River and hanging out the Badeschiff.
Rogue Nation
02-02-18, 08:23
I like outdoors things, anyone done any hiking or cycling around Frankfurt, elsewhere in Germany or elsewhere in Europe? Any tips or advice?What time of year are you visiting?
ExpatLover
02-02-18, 08:55
Sort of not related to whoring but still relevant .
I'm not as young as I used to be, and spending a week consecutively in an FKK will leave me bored and unappreciative. Even a starving man can't sit at a buffet table for days on end.
I know one guy who saves up his vacation, flies into Frankfurt from California for a month, but hops on a flights across Europe to visit museums in other cities and to take photos.
I don't have a month's vacation, but I'm thinking of flying into Frankfurt for 10 days spending 3 days in FKKs, 4 days doing something else, and 3 more days fucking.
I'm not a fan of museums of photography though. I like outdoors things, anyone done any hiking or cycling around Frankfurt, elsewhere in Germany or elsewhere in Europe? Any tips or advice?
Or I was considering going to one of the Baltics and partying with regular girls and semi-pros in an environment where my money goes further. Any ideas welcome.
I've done some train touring to see the castles along the Rhine up to Koln. And once in awhile I'll slip off to Berlin for street art and running along the Spree River and hanging out the Badeschiff.Many possibilities with bikes around frankfurt, usually I rent one and bike to oase, shark and ROM, so you can mix sport and pleasure.
I know one guy who saves up his vacation, flies into Frankfurt from California for a month, but hops on a flights across Europe to visit museums in other cities and to take photos.With photoshop, that can also be you.
Kosher Kowboy
02-02-18, 12:02
Sort of not related to whoring but still relevant .
I'm not as young as I used to be, and spending a week consecutively in an FKK will leave me bored and unappreciative. Even a starving man can't sit at a buffet table for days on end.
I know one guy who saves up his vacation, flies into Frankfurt from California for a month, but hops on a flights across Europe to visit museums in other cities and to take photos.
I don't have a month's vacation, but I'm thinking of flying into Frankfurt for 10 days spending 3 days in FKKs, 4 days doing something else, and 3 more days fucking.
I'm not a fan of museums of photography though. I like outdoors things, anyone done any hiking or cycling around Frankfurt, elsewhere in Germany or elsewhere in Europe? Any tips or advice?
.Man,
This post is exactly what goes thru my head daily, an excellent one. I too am no longer the 20 year old (330 days shy of 50) who could bust 3 nuts a day for 2 weeks in a row in Amsterdam or Costa Rica or wherever I journeyed in those days. Now after 3 days I start getting worn out at age 49. My family knows my game and I just (and often) got a mouthful from back home ' Why do you not do other things in Europe, do you plan to spend the rest of your life in sex clubs with prostitutes who fuck hundreds of men a week besides you?
I get bored in museums. Photos bore me. I get bored touring old Churches and Synagogues. My first FKK journeys would be fly to FRA, do FKK for 3 days than venture to a non-German western European Capital City for sightseeing aka Madrid or Rome for 3 days and back to FKK to end the trip very in line with what you propose. However I grew bored in the mid sections between the FKK book ends so just stopped that and stayed in GER the whole time.
You are not alone in your debate. I too hike and white water raft often ski when not as focused on sex trips. I have spent the last two weeks researching hiking trails in Spain and Germany as well as where the mountain runoff water flows this spring to give us the rapids. Germany does not seem to have many powerful Colorado rapids am guessing France and maybe Austria or Switzerland get the runoff the most maybe and Spain.
Your 3-4-3 proposal is excellent and I wish I could so the same as it is exactly how my European journeys first started. I spent all day the other day planning 3 weeks in Madrid and Spain to hike and see the area but after looking at activities and costs and hotels etc by the time the day was over I was on the Delta site looking at flights to Europe thru ATL and on the Condor Airline sites looking only at tickets to Germany direct from Austin and will go to GER for 2-3 weeks instead.
However, I do plan to find some hiking in GER to take days off. Hiking is free and beneficial to health. There is ' an all trails' app you can purchase and there are a ton of trails (and hiking stores) that litter the area from the NRW down to the Frankfurt area. It looks like the Germans even have their own version of ' The Appalachian Trail' with 2-50 km plus hikes some even organized with group leaders for water and gear transport. I am very much in your boat. I can not spend all my time in the FKK's nor do I want to stare at artwork and as to seeing places like The Great Wall of China or the Amazon or Safari or the Outback etc. I have decided that is what YouTube is for. I can not visit an FKK Club or spend a day at Alice's on YouTube very well but I can travel and see the rest of the world virtually.
But hiking and biking I need to discover in GER to kill the days in between sex clubs so now am looking at a 3 week trip to GER and trying to chart Germany's hiking trails than match them up to the FKK's nearby. There seems to be much of it. I do see trails from Frankfurt that would allow one to bike from FRA city to both Sharks and Alice's or even hike the 6 KM walk to Mainhatten.
Good luck in your hunt, I am hunting in the same woods. Not sure where you come from but myself coming from America I want to get the most bang for my buck (no pun intended) but I can not bang for 7-10 days anymore this last trip well last two (8 and 10 days) found me hitting brick walls, 5 or 6 is max. Like you I need activities too.
All suggestions welcome as well.
KenzoTange
02-02-18, 19:09
But hiking and biking I need to discover in GER to kill the days in between sex clubs so now am looking at a 3 week trip to GER and trying to chart Germany's hiking trails than match them up to the FKK's nearby. There seems to be much of it. I do see trails from Frankfurt that would allow one to bike from FRA city to both Sharks and Alice's or even hike the 6 KM walk to Mainhatten.I can see the next trip report: Kosher Kowboy's FKK Walking Pilgrimage.
What time of year are you visiting?I've made trips all times of the year, but the two times I've been debating are May and July.
I like to go in the spring when the winter chill has ended and my hormones are starting to flow again.
But I also like to be outside, and even May can be chilly, so July would be an option.
Smoke Light
02-03-18, 03:53
I sleep at home 10 PM to 5 AM EST. In the past I tried adjusting to a different time zone in Germany, but not anymore. I keep same sleep schedule 5 AM to 11 AM local time. Works best for late night clubs like LR and Samya.
I need a break after 2-3 FKK days. Extra sleep is my main priority. Wake up, eat, force myself back to bed, wrapping a pillow around my head to block the hotel noises. To people making hotel noise: Fuck you.
Back to my point. On my day off I am out of bed by 17:00 or 18:00 local time. No museums, biking or hiking. Eating! Hop on a tram and ride to the city, Koeln or Dusseldorf in my case. Get cash for next day, stop someplace for a bite and a beer, keep walking the city streets another 2-3 hours. Back in the hotel by midnight or earlier.
I also buy beer, snacks, and make sandwiches for one more meal at night. Good time to call home, tell wife how boring life is in Europe, and watch some TV in bed.
Each day like this comes the temptation to jump in the car and drive to the nearest FKK. Must resist at all costs- big reward in zimmer next day. LOL.
Vito Corleone
02-03-18, 13:18
Man,
This post is exactly what goes thru my head daily, an excellent one. I too am no longer the 20 year old (330 days shy of 50) who could bust 3 nuts a day for 2 weeks in a row in Amsterdam or Costa Rica or wherever I journeyed in those days. Now after 3 days I start getting worn out at age 49. My family knows my game and I just (and often) got a mouthful from back home ' Why do you not do other things in Europe, do you plan to spend the rest of your life in sex clubs with prostitutes who fuck hundreds of men a week besides you?
I get bored in museums. Photos bore me. I get bored touring old Churches and Synagogues. My first FKK journeys would be fly to FRA, do FKK for 3 days than venture to a non-German western European Capital City for sightseeing aka Madrid or Rome for 3 days and back to FKK to end the trip very in line with what you propose. However I grew bored in the mid sections between the FKK book ends so just stopped that and stayed in GER the whole time.
You are not alone in your debate. I too hike and white water raft often ski when not as focused on sex trips. I have spent the last two weeks researching hiking trails in Spain and Germany as well as where the mountain runoff water flows this spring to give us the rapids. Germany does not seem to have many powerful Colorado rapids am guessing France and maybe Austria or Switzerland get the runoff the most maybe and Spain.
Your 3-4-3 proposal is excellent and I wish I could so the same as it is exactly how my European journeys first started. I spent all day the other day planning 3 weeks in Madrid and Spain to hike and see the area but after looking at activities and costs and hotels etc by the time the day was over I was on the Delta site looking at flights to Europe thru ATL and on the Condor Airline sites looking only at tickets to Germany direct from Austin and will go to GER for 2-3 weeks instead..If you need to stay in shape, try the RLD. Plenty of hiking up & down those stairs. It takes patience & perseverance, but I've always found a gem. A young hottie that can be talked into AO.
Kosher Kowboy
02-03-18, 17:36
If you need to stay in shape, try the RLD. Plenty of hiking up & down those stairs. It takes patience & perseverance, but I've always found a gem. A young hottie that can be talked into AO.Those stairs are a killer and a great way to stay in shape but after 2-3 landings in two houses I am tired. I was told T26 was the best to always take a peak at before moving around other places if nothing to ones liking is found. One of these days I will partake there. It is just too hot going up and down when warm outside so I guess if you know which places to strike quick in the RLD can make it easier to get in and out.
A brutal most vertical hike with slope, elevation and pitch for sure but women in lingerie sure beats birds and squirrels.
ExpatLover
02-03-18, 23:04
Those stairs are a killer and a great way to stay in shape but after 2-3 landings in two houses I am tired. I was told T26 was the best to always take a peak at before moving around other places if nothing to ones liking is found. One of these days I will partake there. It is just too hot going up and down when warm outside so I guess if you know which places to strike quick in the RLD can make it easier to get in and out.
A brutal most vertical hike with slope, elevation and pitch for sure but women in lingerie sure beats birds and squirrels.More and more I am considering that KK in a girl from the a club.
Like Vito I usually score well in the RLD. Just takes time, energy, instinct, and confidence. Be prepared for the brutal stairs: think walking sauna. The fewer clothes you wear the better. For some reason I do the hike to the top floor non stop, then very slowly work down, trying to recover my breath.
Take your time to find a girl who gives you a good feeling. There are good sessions to be had if you can avoid being seen as a clueless and and out tourist.
I love the way it is all right next to the ECB, and the glitzy high rise business Mainhatten.
Like Vito I usually score well in the RLD. Just takes time, energy, instinct, and confidence. Be prepared for the brutal stairs: think walking sauna. The fewer clothes you wear the better. For some reason I do the hike to the top floor non stop, then very slowly work down, trying to recover my breath.
Take your time to find a girl who gives you a good feeling. There are good sessions to be had if you can avoid being seen as a clueless and and out tourist.
I love the way it is all right next to the ECB, and the glitzy high rise business Mainhatten.Bankers need a lot of sex.
ExpatLover
02-05-18, 07:58
Like Vito I usually score well in the RLD. Just takes time, energy, instinct, and confidence. Be prepared for the brutal stairs: think walking sauna. The fewer clothes you wear the better. For some reason I do the hike to the top floor non stop, then very slowly work down, trying to recover my breath.
Take your time to find a girl who gives you a good feeling. There are good sessions to be had if you can avoid being seen as a clueless and and out tourist.
I love the way it is all right next to the ECB, and the glitzy high rise business Mainhatten.In the last days some senior German mongers told me the same, that it is better to visit RLD to find nice and fresh girls, service looks often better than in the big clubs in which we all know what is happening in the recent months. I will give a try even it will be my first time.
Bankers need a lot of sex.And they love to share their money with the disadvantaged workers in the rld :)
Man,
This post is exactly what goes thru my head daily, an excellent one. I too am no longer the 20 year old (330 days shy of 50) who could bust 3 nuts a day for 2 weeks in a row in Amsterdam or Costa Rica or wherever I journeyed in those days. Now after 3 days I start getting worn out at age 49. My family knows my game and I just (and often) got a mouthful from back home ' Why do you not do other things in Europe, do you plan to spend the rest of your life in sex clubs with prostitutes who fuck hundreds of men a week besides you?
I get bored in museums. Photos bore me. I get bored touring old Churches and Synagogues. My first FKK journeys would be fly to FRA, do FKK for 3 days than venture to a non-German western European Capital City for sightseeing aka Madrid or Rome for 3 days and back to FKK to end the trip very in line with what you propose. However I grew bored in the mid sections between the FKK book ends so just stopped that and stayed in GER the whole time.
You are not alone in your debate. I too hike and white water raft often ski when not as focused on sex trips. I have spent the last two weeks researching hiking trails in Spain and Germany as well as where the mountain runoff water flows this spring to give us the rapids. Germany does not seem to have many powerful Colorado rapids am guessing France and maybe Austria or Switzerland get the runoff the most maybe and Spain.
Your 3-4-3 proposal is excellent and I wish I could so the same as it is exactly how my European journeys first started. I spent all day the other day planning 3 weeks in Madrid and Spain to hike and see the area but after looking at activities and costs and hotels etc by the time the day was over I was on the Delta site looking at flights to Europe thru ATL and on the Condor Airline sites looking only at tickets to Germany direct from Austin and will go to GER for 2-3 weeks instead.
However, I do plan to find some hiking in GER to take days off. Hiking is free and beneficial to health. There is ' an all trails' app you can purchase and there are a ton of trails (and hiking stores) that litter the area from the NRW down to the Frankfurt area. It looks like the Germans even have their own version of ' The Appalachian Trail' with 2-50 km plus hikes some even organized with group leaders for water and gear transport. I am very much in your boat. I can not spend all my time in the FKK's nor do I want to stare at artwork and as to seeing places like The Great Wall of China or the Amazon or Safari or the Outback etc. I have decided that is what YouTube is for. I can not visit an FKK Club or spend a day at Alice's on YouTube very well but I can travel and see the rest of the world virtually.
But hiking and biking I need to discover in GER to kill the days in between sex clubs so now am looking at a 3 week trip to GER and trying to chart Germany's hiking trails than match them up to the FKK's nearby. There seems to be much of it. I do see trails from Frankfurt that would allow one to bike from FRA city to both Sharks and Alice's or even hike the 6 KM walk to Mainhatten.
Good luck in your hunt, I am hunting in the same woods. Not sure where you come from but myself coming from America I want to get the most bang for my buck (no pun intended) but I can not bang for 7-10 days anymore this last trip well last two (8 and 10 days) found me hitting brick walls, 5 or 6 is max. Like you I need activities too.
All suggestions welcome as well.No need to stay in Germany. Transcontinental flights in Europe are super cheap. Booking in advance, you can literally fly from Germany to Eastern Europe for less than 20 euros. A few weeks prior, you can still find tickets for 50 or so on WizzAir, RyanAir, EasyJet, Eurowings, etc. The tickets are literally cheaper than a taxi ride from Frankfurt airport to Sharks. I've gone to Bucharest, Budapest, Vienna with fellow mongers in between FKK weekends. It makes for a great holiday. Just don't look to get cheap prices out of Frankfurt. Cheap airlines don't fly out of there. Cologne, Frankfurt Hahn, and Dortmund are the cheap airline options.
Sort of not related to whoring but still relevant .
I'm not as young as I used to be, and spending a week consecutively in an FKK will leave me bored and unappreciative. Even a starving man can't sit at a buffet table for days on end.
Or I was considering going to one of the Baltics and partying with regular girls and semi-pros in an environment where my money goes further. Any ideas welcome.
I've done some train touring to see the castles along the Rhine up to Koln. And once in awhile I'll slip off to Berlin for street art and running along the Spree River and hanging out the Badeschiff.I also asked these questions to myself in that past so I will also share my experiences so maybe someone benefits. Of course everyone has their own opinion. I made maybe 10 trips to Germany for FKK and every time I change my mind. Cologne is better or FRA is. On my last time I decided Cologne is better. But I just can't stop myself visiting Oase if I am in Germany so probably I will do arrival FRA and depart from Cologne or the reverse and that increases flight costs. Two years ago I was in Cologne and since I still had some days off I decided to take a close destination from Germany. In my opinion and I am %100 sure on that Germany isn't a good choice to spend a normal holiday days. So I decided to take train to Amsterdam. I rented a shit hole hotel room for 150 euro per night. It was easter time so the city was full. It was again a boring time for me. I am already 38 years old. Didn't have much chance in the night clubs. Couldn't compete with 20's in there. But still was better than being in Germany. And another note; after your second FKK visit you will have the feeling what sh I am doing here. Let me go but it is being too early to leave so people who lives in Germany can visit a FKK once a weeek and they are really lucky. What do I do now? Thanks god I have the dancing hobby. I invested this for years. So I go for dance festivals in Ukraine or Russia. Spending time without any organisation or group of friends in a foreing country is always make you feel depressed and bored after a while. So if you have a hobby, check for some events and you can get socialise easily. My next destinations in Europe will be Belgrad and Crotia. And Crotia is better in summer. I visited many of European countries and most of them are if you are alone, boring.
Cities like Berlin or Barcelona can be fun even when solo travelling. And it is easy to meet new people there. London is fun too if you like soccer.
In eastern Europe I found Prague to be mediocre fun. Its OK. I am guessing Budapest is slightly better even though I only drove through and picked up two guys there. I've tried Riga, Split and Odessa too. All of which were a bit boring. Maybe Kiev and Bucharest is nicer. Or St. P if you want to do the hassle with Russian visa. For Poland Krakow and perhaps Sopot may be best. Otherwise there is the Bulgarian and Romanian coastal cities for summertime: Mamaia beach and Sunny beach. Good for partying I hear and easy to meet girls back home for vacation in their home countries. Maybe possible for some simple fun too.
Smoke Light
02-06-18, 01:06
I visited many of European countries and most of them are if you are alone, boring.One possibility is to have a day of activity with one of your "regular" girls. I am currently in planning stages of taking my special sweetheart to one day in Holland. However, it is important to discuss with her you budget limit for shopping and meals together.
Another kind of activity that girls seem to like is traditional German spa and wellnes places, for example.
https://theculturetrip.com/europe/germany/articles/the-best-spa-and-wellness-centres-in-cologne/
The link is for Koeln. The funny thing is most saunas and pools are textile-free, so you bath and swim with your favorite girl naked. Not very expensive, either.
What strikes me as odd is how not a single top club has good management in this business. Some of the best girls seems to always get pushed away by other girls in a club due to jealousy. And where there are less jealousy, the majority of girls are less than pretty. Finding that one club without the drama has so far remained futile. I have hopes for one club right now, but I may be wrong there also.
Cities like Berlin or Barcelona can be fun even when solo travelling. And it is easy to meet new people there. London is fun too if you like soccer.
In eastern Europe I found Prague to be mediocre fun. Its OK. I am guessing Budapest is slightly better even though I only drove through and picked up two guys there. I've tried Riga, Split and Odessa too. All of which were a bit boring. Maybe Kiev and Bucharest is nicer. Or St. P if you want to do the hassle with Russian visa. For Poland Krakow and perhaps Sopot may be best. Otherwise there is the Bulgarian and Romanian coastal cities for summertime: Mamaia beach and Sunny beach. Good for partying I hear and easy to meet girls back home for vacation in their home countries. Maybe possible for some simple fun too.Barcelona, Gaudi city, and Figueres on North Gerona, for Dali museum, are fantastic, but don t lose time and money in La Junquera which is not what it used to be, until 2011. No more Loretta. Ro at Dallas, nor Mihaela. Ro at Madams, nor dancer superstar Lara. Ru at Moonight, but Lara was for more than 800 for the night. Rates are 60/70 per 30 mn, and even You are able to charm a girl to get 1 hour for 100, I really regret my 100 with Cassandra. Ro, even quite pretty blond, but low level: CBJ and baby kisses, compare to Germany, where I have even a German, 1,77 model, escort, for 100/ h, without any extra asked. Maybe, she would ask extra for deep anal, but not for fingers, she enjoyed my fingers. I think she likes me very much, to lose money with me, compare to her escort rates.
I wish to return to Saint Petersburg which is a real museum city, even more beautiful than Paris, my city, for me. I don t forget my night with Olga for 400 USD, I should have kept her with me on next day, as she asked, not even asking money, to enjoy her again on next night. I was not good for my choice on that day. Also Peterhof to visit on West Saint Petersburg.
Even complicated job for me, but I found Praha beautiful, just when the wall fell, and the World changed so fast in Eastern Europe. Some became very fast, very rich or powerful, on 1990.
I've spent 3000 euros over the last couple of weeks at FKKs. How much do you guys typically spend?
After a 3 month hiatus, I'm finishing up a 2 week trip to FKK land so I'd thought I'd write a quick State of the Union report. 15 club visits in 11 days with a 3 day break in Amsterdam. 3 visits to Sharks, 2 to Oase, 5 to cheap and dirty Acapulco, 2 to Goldentime, and one visit each to Living Room, YinYang, and Oceans.
Straight to the point, about Hessen. It appears that Sharks has in fact become tainted with the upsell flu. I've never had so many offers for CIM at this club. What kondompflicht? I say this because it's used as an extortion tactic to get the 100 euro half hours. Want a half hour with BBBJ with a girl you've never been with? You're probably going to have to pay that extra 50, so you might as well CIM. Anal was also offerred more frequently. Good 1 hour rooms for 100 euro is still possible but I had to speak about the pricing outside of the room, not my favorite thing to do. I'm usually a 1 hour guy but even the 1 hour good session received some push back, with the girls fishing for 150 euro 1 hour rooms. I went on Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday so perhaps it's not as bad on non-peak days. Overall, casting was down in regards to optics but Sharks always has plenty of girls who look stunning from far away as well as the hoard of teenie girls next door, as Sirioja would say. Anyway, my regulars seemed to have given me the polite blackball for various reasons so I ended up trying what I call the class of 2017: Helen, Athena, Lily, and Estephania. Helen seems to be leading the pack in service but she talks way to much about herself. Athena and Estephania are quite small so are limited in longer rooms but both have potential, especially if Estephania stops with the hard upselling. I had issues with Lily providing cold service, but that is nothing unknown on this board. She at least temporarily improved her service after I laid into her about being not cut out for this job.
In contrast to peak days at Sharks, I visited Oase on Monday and Tuesday so the line up was quite thin but adequate. 30 girls on a Monday and 50-60 on a Tuesday and the optics was on par with Sharks, perhaps a little bit better on this Tuesday than Sharks' Sunday. I didn't see the Barbie type stunners that are often here on peak days but also did not see any 5's like at Sharks; so on average the two clubs provided similar optics. I made sure to mentioned to all girls that I don't like the upsell but am generally a 1 hour guy. As a result, I haven't gotten any push back on that and no upsell to 150 euro hours so I'll take it as a win. This was not the case last summer when many girls wanted the 150 euro good service room. 4 rooms, 2 were my first time with them, all of them great rooms. Blond Anna and Brunnette, tatted Claudia were perfect 1 hour rooms. Other 2 rooms were with reliable regulars and those turned out great.
As far as NRW clubs, not much has changed. Optical quality was a little down but it's always less impressive than Hessen clubs.
The only club where upsell was prevalent was Oceans. It had the feel of a Hessen upsell club with below Hessen optics. I managed to pull a good room from the jaws of defeat. The girl wanted a 50 euro upcharge for BBBJ so I said I'd just take a 30 minute handjob. By the end of the 30 mins, she became more relaxed and we extended to a 1 hour, BBBJ, 100 euro room.
GT was GT. It still has the older and more diverse lineup but with enough high quality girls to session with. The problem there for me is not the age or optics of the girls, it's always the ratio and long wait for rooms. The stunners never have a down moment so you have to hunt and stalk to get your target. Visited 2 days, had one room because I didn't have the desire to chase more than the 3 hours I waited for one girl.
Acapulco doesn't change. Cheap club, same girls, very few new talent and less who stay. But I have five or so girls there that I session with and upsell is never an option.
I also paid a session to YinYang where I did not session for the second time. Some decent quality girls there compared to my visit in October but it was my fourth day and no one motivated me enough to risk wasting a pop or euros. 4 beers, a couple of free energy drinks, the best FKK food of all the clubs in the region, and a bowl of ice cream later, I decided to go to Acapulco for a sure bet with one of my regulars.
Living Room was by far the worst visit of the trip. All of the girls looked tired and skinny-fat. Perhaps the lineup is still suffering from when the club had to shut down for a few days earlier in the year. It was my first day in the clubs so I wanted to do at least one girl. Issa was recommened for service so I went with her for a quick 30 minute room just to break my cherry.
In summary, casting is expectedly down all over and upsell is trending up at Sharks. One hour rooms are no longer a guaranteed good time there so negotiating outside the room has become a necessity, which I hate. Oase suprisingly provided my best rooms of the trip but remember, my reviews are based on 1 hour rooms. I do fear that the 50 euro full service rooms are on life support at the moment. So if you've got 50 euro regulars, hang on to them!
BadinSweet
02-06-18, 19:46
Thank you for a great summary Takedown! I agree that optics are not what it used to be but I still can't complain. I always take 1+ hrs room so service was never an issue to me. It had been a while since I did 30 minutes room, by choice. I think my last 30 mins room was with Janine.
Your Anna, at Oase, is it a short Romanian, with be? She used to have a long black hair. Or possibly a different girl.
After a 3 month hiatus, I'm finishing up a 2 week trip to FKK land so I'd thought I'd write a quick State of the Union report. 15 club visits in 11 days with a 3 day break in Amsterdam. 3 visits to Sharks, 2 to Oase, 5 to cheap and dirty Acapulco, 2 to Goldentime, and one visit each to Living Room, YinYang, and Oceans.
Straight to the point, about Hessen. It appears that Sharks has in fact become tainted with the upsell flu. I've never had so many offers for CIM at this club. What kondompflicht? I say this because it's used as an extortion tactic to get the 100 euro half hours. Want a half hour with BBBJ with a girl you've never been with? You're probably going to have to pay that extra 50, so you might as well CIM. Anal was also offerred more frequently. Good 1 hour rooms for 100 euro is still possible but I had to speak about the pricing outside of the room, not my favorite thing to do. I'm usually a 1 hour guy but even the 1 hour good session received some push back, with the girls fishing for 150 euro 1 hour rooms. I went on Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday so perhaps it's not as bad on non-peak days. Overall, casting was down in regards to optics but Sharks always has plenty of girls who look stunning from far away as well as the hoard of teenie girls next door, as Sirioja would say. Anyway, my regulars seemed to have given me the polite blackball for various reasons so I ended up trying what I call the class of 2017: Helen, Athena, Lily, and Estephania. Helen seems to be leading the pack in service but she talks way to much about herself. Athena and Estephania are quite small so are limited in longer rooms but both have potential, especially if Estephania stops with the hard upselling. I had issues with Lily providing cold service, but that is nothing unknown on this board. She at least temporarily improved her service after I laid into her about being not cut out for this job.Sorry for Issa, among this so low casting. LR casting is a bit improving now.
I think you enjoyed your room at GT, even I didn't go with her.
Nice to meet you. For me, Aca is not dirty, I had so many great rooms there, some for only 40, and I like their kebab.
Your Anna, at Oase, is it a short Romanian, with be? She used to have a long black hair. Or possibly a different girl.She is about 165 cm. I've always seen her as a blond, at least since last August. Large wing tatooes on her back and looks a bit like a slightly heavier version of the former Sharks Cosmina 2015-2017. Absolutely sweet girl in and out of the room.
BadinSweet
02-06-18, 20:23
Thanks Takedown. Different Anna then. The one I like has no tattoo. I don't remember seeing anyone with that description but will definitely look for one. Thanks.
Different tastes here. I agree 100% on Takedown's Sharks and Aca assessments.
But about Oceans I felt the Romanian lot had lower average than normal while the small Bulgarian contingent were going strong. As Takedown has mentioned before, the club would have gained more from more german customers. As it is right now it feel as even though it manages to recruit loads of top optics through a year, it has a hard time holding onto most of them as competition for the market is high and the clientelle is cheaper than say for example at sharks. When it comes to recruitment throughout the year it is easily on par with sharks though. But it looses most also. I do find many none upsellers. But I also am known to the girls. I think Takedown would have gained from using the tactic of girls coming to him for better business positioning. The same goes for all FKK's.
When it comes to YY I was there on a Saturday, had 2 sessions. Both were absolute top with zero upselling. And I do like some of the girls there for optics too. I would have done a 3rd room had it not been for this girl only doing 3 some at the time I asked. So I saved some energy for Oceans and a final room that day.
I didn't try LR even though I really wanted to. But the bad reviews won over me. I called about 3 girls. None were there. I understand one is back at 6 sense.
Didn't try Oase either. Probably a misstake.
I really dislike GT even more for each visit. The ambience is not helping either, and I find optics to be very poor. Lowest optics by far for me except one thai girl who upsells.
I actually did try PHG for the first time. On a Saturday. And last. Abort, abort! End!
Overall YY with its food, wellness and interesting lineup which to me is fairly new after just 2 visits, was the most interesting. Dutch people are also very open and friendly to chat with, so going solo there was not too bad. In German clubs it is better to have someone to hang with on downtime.
ExpatLover
02-06-18, 20:53
After a 3 month hiatus, I'm finishing up a 2 week trip to FKK land so I'd thought I'd write a quick State of the Union report. 15 club visits in 11 days with a 3 day break in Amsterdam. 3 visits to Sharks, 2 to Oase, 5 to cheap and dirty Acapulco, 2 to Goldentime, and one visit each to Living Room, YinYang, and Oceans.
Straight to the point, about Hessen. It appears that Sharks has in fact become tainted with the upsell flu. I've never had so many offers for CIM at this club. What kondompflicht? I say this because it's used as an extortion tactic to get the 100 euro half hours. Want a half hour with BBBJ with a girl you've never been with? You're probably going to have to pay that extra 50, so you might as well CIM. Anal was also offerred more frequently. Good 1 hour rooms for 100 euro is still possible but I had to speak about the pricing outside of the room, not my favorite thing to do.I fully agree with all your comments, difficult to get good service for 50 euro in all the clubs you mentioned fortunately there are other clubs were is still possible to get great service for a reasonable price. Oase and Shark are no more controlling the prices of the girls may be coming from the implementation of the new law, I don t care both clubs are no more interesting for me from the LU point of view but also from the nature of the customers especially after 7 PM. For me visiting a club must be a great moment with plenty of erotic and not a stress because of the girls trying always to cheat or guys unable to shower fully naked or full of uncontrolled testosterone.
I forgot Artemis. Same old, same old. And my favourite seemed to be gone. Or the new receptionist hadn't even heard her name at least. Did one good (Michaela) and one bad pick (forgot name) So it was mediocre. I should have done Bella on 2nd pick since I know her from before. Mistake! Then again I have done half the lineup already. Not a single new 7+ girl that I haven't seen before and its 8 months since my last visit. Recruitment has pretty much stopped and everyone is another year older. Then again so am I.
I've spent 3000 euros over the last couple of weeks at FKKs. How much do you guys typically spend?Phew! What did you spend it on? My trips with room and transport usually run around $2000.
I'll go for an average of five days, and spend maybe on average 200-300 E per day, including entry.
Some clubs I won't session at all, other clubs I'll find a special one and either yield to the upsell of a duo or bid for more time; rarely will I do multiple 50 Es -- if only I still had that ability!
Polyamorist
02-06-18, 23:38
As far as NRW clubs, not much has changed. Optical quality was a little down but it's always less impressive than Hessen clubs.
Hamdulillah Takedown! But there is a critical threshold of quality, and if clubs go below it, guys have nothing to do but munch cheap spaghetti and twiddle their dicks for hours and hours and maybe go home without any session at all. Some NRW clubs like Living Room have been skating dangerously close to this threshold for years, so even a small dip in quality can have disproportionate effects -- wide cracks beneath the feet of the polar bears!
But about Oceans
I think Takedown would have gained from using the tactic of girls coming to him for better business positioning. The same goes for all FKK's.
To clarify to other readers, I didn't approach the girls there except one that I didn't go with. As you know, the girl I went with was actually on your recommendation. And she approached us 2 or 3 times before I went with her.
Hamdulillah Takedown!
Some NRW clubs like Living Room have been skating dangerously close to this threshold for years, so even a small dip in quality can have disproportionate effects -- wide cracks beneath the feet of the polar bears!Praise be to God.
Yes, I feel the same way. LR has been surviving off of local clients and a few superstars for a bit now. When the few superstars are on holiday, LR visits become a catastrophe.
It's the only club that I actually call to see if specific girls are working.
To clarify to other readers, I didn't approach the girls there except one that I didn't go with. As you know, the girl I went with was actually on your recommendation. And she approached us 2 or 3 times before I went with her.Yes, but I am wondering if we sometimes just have to go with the girls while they approach us instead of returning to them 20 minutes later. Just a theory that must be practised more. She didn't upsell to me in the past though. But then again it was the type of upsell that was not around before recently. Too bad really, but your counter worked at least. I couldn't do it on the 30 min session I did with her this time. So she is a nut to crack for sure.
Vito Corleone
02-07-18, 12:03
I've spent 3000 euros over the last couple of weeks at FKKs. How much do you guys typically spend?I'm a cheap Charlie! I spend the entry & one 30 min room. I sleep in my car to save on hotel.
I'm a cheap Charlie! I spend the entry & one 30 min room. I sleep in my car to save on hotel.Full entry? You don't go for the discounts?
ExpatLover
02-07-18, 20:53
Yes, but I am wondering if we sometimes just have to go with the girls while they approach us instead of returning to them 20 minutes later. Just a theory that must be practised more. She didn't upsell to me in the past though. But then again it was the type of upsell that was not around before recently. Too bad really, but your counter worked at least. I couldn't do it on the 30 min session I did with her this time. So she is a nut to crack for sure.We should not forget that we are in the club for fun now if we consider that it is like in a business meeting why not but probably not the best option to get great time and we should never forget that to negotiate we need to be two and also to be a bit sophisticated what is not the case for most of the girls, some of them are reacting very negatively and immediately speaking with their friends.
Cities like Berlin or Barcelona can be fun even when solo travelling. And it is easy to meet new people there. London is fun too if you like soccer.
In eastern Europe I found Prague to be mediocre fun. Its OK. I am guessing Budapest is slightly better even though I only drove through and picked up two guys there. I've tried Riga, Split and Odessa too. All of which were a bit boring. Maybe Kiev and Bucharest is nicer. Or St. P if you want to do the hassle with Russian visa. For Poland Krakow and perhaps Sopot may be best. Otherwise there is the Bulgarian and Romanian coastal cities for summertime: Mamaia beach and Sunny beach. Good for partying I hear and easy to meet girls back home for vacation in their home countries. Maybe possible for some simple fun too.I have been in Constanza Mammaia this summer and decided not to visit again. Odessa is ten times better in summer.
ExpatLover
02-07-18, 22:52
I have been in Constanza Mammaia this summer and decided not to visit again. Odessa is ten times better in summer.Fully agree with you no point of interest to visit Constanza, better to visit the Cote the azur, also a lot of cities to visit in Germany, Berlin worth at least 5 days, hamburg, München, bayreuth.
Straight to the point, about Hessen. It appears that Sharks has in fact become tainted with the upsell flu. I've never had so many offers for CIM at this club. What kondompflicht? I say this because it's used as an extortion tactic to get the 100 euro half hours. Want a half hour with BBBJ with a girl you've never been with? You're probably going to have to pay that extra 50, so you might as well CIM. Anal was also offerred more frequently. Good 1 hour rooms for 100 euro is still possible but I had to speak about the pricing outside of the room, not my favorite thing to do. I'm usually a 1 hour guy but even the 1 hour good session received some push back, with the girls fishing for 150 euro 1 hour rooms. I went on Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday so perhaps it's not as bad on non-peak days. Overall, casting was down in regards to optics but Sharks always has plenty of girls who look stunning from far away as well as the hoard of teenie girls next door, as Sirioja would say. Anyway, my regulars seemed to have given me the polite blackball for various reasons so I ended up trying what I call the class of 2017: Helen, Athena, Lily, and Estephania.I went on a non-peak day, and it was a similar experience. I wrote about it in the Sharks thread.
Speaking about anal, how are so many ladies willing to offer it as upsell at a whim when they need to be prepped beforehand? It is hard to believe they've all cleaned themselves properly there but I have not heard or read of any accidents either.
I think all FKK clubs management teams should be very cautious to this trend. If Using social media Apps to pre-book girls become a mainstream, FKK clubs would become escort in-call room. It will fundamentally ruin FKK business due to the obvious fact that FKK clubs will lose huge amount of money.
Every FKK club, especially Sharks or Oase, spends huge money to maintain their hardwares and softwares each year. However, these investments will become worthless, if the club's function is just equivalent to a cheap and shabby escort-in-call rooms.
Pre-booking would make Lineup deteriorate soon. As mentioned by horny Harry: "as a result the LU there is extremely unreliable as lots of high quality girls either meet customers outside the club or these girls make arrangements to meet a customer inside the club at specific times and thus are no longer are a part of the visible LU."
Not only would it hurt interests of clubs and most mongers, but did hurt most WGs.
All clubs should discourage pre-booking behavior, and enforce first-come-first-serve policy. Yes, girls still have right to reject mongers due to monger's inappropriate behaviors.
Many clubs frown upon girls meeting customers outside of the club, because of the simple reason that clubs want to cash the 65 Euro entrance fees......
GT would probably be the only exception, but as a result the LU there is extremely unreliable as lots of high quality girls either meet customers outside the club or these girls make arrangements to meet a customer inside the club at specific times and thus are no longer are a part of the visible LU. ....
Smoke Light
02-11-18, 03:05
UncleOx,
In my past visits pre-booking proved extremely unreliable in FKK environment. There were times when pre-booked girl never showed up. This was in LR in 2016 and 2017. Other time my Sharks girl was pre-booked by me but was nowhere around at the designated time. I waited close to an hour and went to a room with a different lady. 45 min later I see the pre-booked girl. Both of us say where were you? And both answered "in the room"! She wanted to go but I said I need a time off. We laughed but kept going back to rooms with someone else all night long, occasionally waiving to one another at the breaks. I actually managed to session with her the next day, no appointment LOL. I no longer book in advance except "will you be in the club tomorrow?
I am sure the situation you describing is different, since now there are girls trying to make pre-booking their business model. Maybe you could you share your experiences?
Der Auslander
02-11-18, 13:24
I think all FKK clubs management teams should be very cautious to this trend. If Using social media Apps to pre-book girls become a mainstream, FKK clubs would become escort in-call room. It will fundamentally ruin FKK business due to the obvious fact that FKK clubs will lose huge amount of money.Hey there UncleOx. Chill!
Pre-booking has been happening since the invention of the text message. This phenomenon has been going on for many many years!
Works like this. Pre-book Guy gets his jollies. WG gets her cash. Club gets paid both entry fees. No-book Guy just waits his turn or (in time) turns into another Pre-Book Guy.
Happens a lot in the bigger clubs and with the more sought after WGs (sometimes I wonder). Happens more and more with guys travelling long distance and who want to make sure the "girl of their dreams" is moist and waiting for them with open legs (and open purse)! Sure sure pre-booking can be done now via WhatsApp, FaceBook etc. Etc. And not just by text message or dare I say, the old fashioned way by telephone call. Truth be told pre-booking always happened at a local level. Just more tourists are aware of the possibility now.
ExpatLover
02-11-18, 19:20
UncleOx,
In my past visits pre-booking proved extremely unreliable in FKK environment. There were times when pre-booked girl never showed up. This was in LR in 2016 and 2017. Other time my Sharks girl was pre-booked by me but was nowhere around at the designated time. I waited close to an hour and went to a room with a different lady. 45 min later I see the pre-booked girl. Both of us say where were you? And both answered "in the room"! She wanted to go but I said I need a time off. We laughed but kept going back to rooms with someone else all night long, occasionally waiving to one another at the breaks. I actually managed to session with her the next day, no appointment LOL. I no longer book in advance except "will you be in the club tomorrow?
I am sure the situation you describing is different, since now there are girls trying to make pre-booking their business model. Maybe you could you share your experiences?I think that pre-booking can only work if you know very well the girl and there is trustful relationship, most of the girls have low education and are not really able to manage their agenda or even to know what they will do the coming days, how many times a girl that a sessioned in a club told me I want to see you tomorrow we made a appointment for the next day for several hours session but she never came working, for multiple reasons, sick, period, can wake up, the mother is sick. At the end of the end I stopped making any appointment just go to the club and see who is there.
Hi Smoke light,
I am against pre-booking behaviors in FKK, in order to preserve the unique characters in this field. Otherwise, FKK clubs would be downgraded to escort in-call rooms.
There are large numbers escorts service in Germany. Those mongers prefer pre-booking, then please go ahead to use escorts. I just don't understand why these mongers would like to make FKK clubs become escort in-call rooms.
Pre-booking would potentially cause unnecessary hostilities, while First-come-first-serve would not.
My personal experience. Girl S (GS) was one of the most popular girls in Sharks. She did give me her contact, but I never use it, Because she always give me priority whenever she was at club. On October 22,2016, Saturday, I entered Sharks around 11:40, I saw GS sitting at Bar area. She told me She was waiting for a custom, a half-hour pre-booking appt at 12:00. I said OK I would go with her after that.
When I wandered around dinner area, Suddenly someone hugged me from the back. It was GS. I looked at watch, it was just 12:10. I was surprised she ended so soon. She told me it was a no-show. Then we went to room.
We stayed together for almost 4 hours. It was 4 pm (16:00) when we went downstairs. Just the time I opened small locker to get wallet, I happened to see a guy, sitting opposite to Janine' sofa, stared at us unfriendly. He walked toward GS immediately after I paid her. I overheard he said something loudly when I entered man's shower place. I tried to avoid any trouble and stayed in lockers room for 20 minuets.
Later on I saw GS again at 5 pm. She had put on her coat and was ready to leave. I went towards hugging her and asked why she left so early. She said she felt headache. I asked if the guy yelled at her. She just said he was just the guy made appointment but no-show. He claimed he had waited for 4 hours. Thus made GS very nervous and she decided to leave early, much earlier than her regular schedule.
I left too. Again, I don't fear anyone, but I did try to avoid any trouble. I always remember the guy's hostility.
What happened in GT these days, are examples that pre-booking cause unnecessary bothersome. As mentioned in Horny Harry posts:
Go try out GT, it's upsell and pre-booking paradise! (of course no pre-booking is possible without an upsell of minimum 1 hour in the room + tip, otherwise you'll get the 'sorry baby, I don't have time you you this weekend' WhatsApp message).
UncleOx,
In my past visits pre-booking proved extremely unreliable in FKK environment. There were times when pre-booked girl never showed up. This was in LR in 2016 and 2017. Other time my Sharks girl was pre-booked by me but was nowhere around at the designated time. I waited close to an hour and went to a room with a different lady. 45 min later I see the pre-booked girl. Both of us say where were you? And both answered "in the room"! She wanted to go but I said I need a time off. We laughed but kept going back to rooms with someone else all night long, occasionally waiving to one another at the breaks. I actually managed to session with her the next day, no appointment LOL.
Are the clubs open on Easter Sunday?
Are the clubs open on Easter Sunday?Which Club?
Vito Corleone
02-14-18, 01:33
Are the clubs open on Easter Sunday?Yes. Some smaller clubs will be closed but the big clubs will be open.
ExpatLover
02-14-18, 03:54
Are the clubs open on Easter Sunday?Yes of course but reduced LU many girls will go back to Roumania to celebrate Eastern.
I keep asking for whatsapp ID's in case I want to prearrange something ahead of next trip. But when I get there I usually feel more like hitting that roulette wheel instead of ordering the same old menu. There is a reason why gambling and this thing we do usually goes hand in hand.
Nice to have those contacts just in case though. There could be that odd moment all I want is green M&M.
Rogue Nation
02-14-18, 14:20
What's all the fuss about pre-booking? There's not club in Germany I know of where you can officially pre book a girl. It's offered at Globe in Zürich.
Pre booking has been around forever.
Infamousss
02-14-18, 17:05
OK been reading post after post.
I'm thinking arrive at FRA airport and taking the train to central station (Rld) and stay at a hotel over there.
Was wondering at the airport can I purchase an unlimited train pass to ride all day so I can visit the FKK Oase and taxi from there.
Are the clubs open on Easter Sunday?Yes unless they normally close on a Sunday.
ExpatLover
02-14-18, 21:02
Yes unless they normally close on a Sunday.Sorry there is no club closed on Sunday.
What's all the fuss about pre-booking? There's not club in Germany I know of where you can officially pre book a girl. It's offered at Globe in Zrich.
Pre booking has been around forever.You are so old school.
Vito Corleone
02-15-18, 07:27
What's all the fuss about pre-booking? There's not club in Germany I know of where you can officially pre book a girl. It's offered at Globe in Zrich.
Pre booking has been around forever.Really? Geez, I didn't know that!
Which Club?I guess I should of given more info, I am planing a trip to Stuttgart I can either go 4/1 & 4/2 or 4/21 & 4/22. The earlier dates are better for me, but I realized it is Easter. I am thinking of going to Sakura. I do not want to fly from LOS Angeles and find that the clubs are all closed on 1 of the 2 days I have available. FYI it would be my first trip to an FKK. Thanks.
ExpatLover
02-15-18, 21:14
I guess I should of given more info, I am planing a trip to Stuttgart I can either go 4/1 & 4/2 or 4/21 & 4/22. The earlier dates are better for me, but I realized it is Easter. I am thinking of going to Sakura. I do not want to fly from LOS Angeles and find that the clubs are all closed on 1 of the 2 days I have available. FYI it would be my first trip to an FKK. Thanks.If you fly from LA better you stop in Frankfurt, LU will be better for Eastern than in Stuttgart for sure.
Planning a 4 days trip to Frankfurt during spring break. Would it be better to be there on weekdays or weekends if I want to mainly visit Oase and Sharks.
Are the clubs open on Easter Sunday?Most are opened but not the best casting for Easter, but should be far higher than fat, silicon, Botox, collagen, American girls.
Nika. De with fake upturned nose, tattoes on 2 arms and back, seen at YY NL. Some weight on ass. Not so busy.
Lisa. De ex GT, still at YY.
Hey fellas,
A few questions as I'll be heading over for a first trip and doing preliminary reconnaissance. I've never been to Germany and will be heading over for a trip and exploring the FKK world and exploring some tourist avenues as well.
I have an event in Wiesbaden one night at Bowling Green, besides that, can stay anywhere in the Frankfurt area and want to explore the FKK's as the primary target to check that off the list. Or continue to return if it's all that I've read.
1) How may days you think is a good trip to enjoy the Frankfurt area FKK's and enjoy oneself? (I was planning about 6 or 7 nights for the trip which would give me 5 full days to do as I wish).
2) Any recommendations for hotel (s) to stay in based on that information? - [I may partake in an outcall or two if need, depends I guess how things go] I just need to make it to Bowling Green one night other than that I will have my day and evenings to enjoy the clubs and ladies. -- (Although from my reading clubs are open late so could head there after my event).
3) I do like to have some beers and mixed drinks and won't be driving a rental at all. I'm assuming I'll be there late and have to rely on taxi / Uber (if they do that) or train system on my way back to my hotel since it will be after the trains stop running I'm sure early morning.
4) I have tons of other questions but will roll those out on the FAQ thread since still couldn't find the basic protocol how these work and will read some more here.
Thank you for any help.
Planning a 4 days trip to Frankfurt during spring break. Would it be better to be there on weekdays or weekends if I want to mainly visit Oase and Sharks.I've avoided Sharks on Saturdays when it has tended to be a sausage fest (due I think to the discounted cover charge on Saturday afternoon). I've stuck to Palace and the RLD on Saturdays.
I've avoided Sharks on Saturdays when it has tended to be a sausage fest (due I think to the discounted cover charge on Saturday afternoon). I've stuck to Palace and the RLD on Saturdays.The discounted cover charge is Sunday. http://www.fkk-sharks.de/en/feierabend-tarif/.
ExpatLover
02-18-18, 10:48
All depend on your sexual power, if you are able to come several times a day 5 days in a raw it is fine, personally I am 60 don t take any viagra and for me 5 days in a raw in too much.
To enjoy. I prefer go 1 day the following days doing some sport or sightseeing and after a another day in a club. Drinking alcohol in a club is not a good idea at all better you keep the full control of the things also alcohol is not good for your erection, not having a car is also not a good idea, you will spend time in public transportation and taxi, better and cheaper you rent a car. I usually go in be&be hotels cheap and very good internet. A must do for a first timer is Shark and Oase if you have a car you can give a try to World, also in Cologne Samya is a very good place after 9 PM, great parties there.
Vito Corleone
02-18-18, 11:00
Hey fellas,
A few questions as I'll be heading over for a first trip and doing preliminary reconnaissance. I've never been to Germany and will be heading over for a trip and exploring the FKK world and exploring some tourist avenues as well.
I have an event in Wiesbaden one night at Bowling Green, besides that, can stay anywhere in the Frankfurt area and want to explore the FKK's as the primary target to check that off the list. Or continue to return if it's all that I've read.
1) How may days you think is a good trip to enjoy the Frankfurt area FKK's and enjoy oneself? (I was planning about 6 or 7 nights for the trip which would give me 5 full days to do as I wish)..I stay at the Hilton. Über & lyft are very popular in Germany!
Der Auslander
02-18-18, 12:49
A few questions as I'll be heading over for a first trip and doing preliminary reconnaissance. I've never been to Germany and will be heading over for a trip and exploring the FKK world and exploring some tourist avenues as well.Hey Kooper man, reasonable enough request and good luck with your plan to explore the world of FKK / Sauna clubs. Methinks once you have visited your first FKK Club the plans for ordinary tourist activity may go out the window!
1)I was planning about 6 or 7 nights for the trip which would give me 5 full days to do as I wish.Sounds like a nice chunk of time (bring a loaded wallet)! A normal trip for me now is three or four days (no sightseeing), but I guess I am more local than some and my return costs are also probably less. Six / seven nights will pass by quickly for someone new to the experience but it does allow for a rest day or two should that be necessary.
2) Any recommendations for hotel (s) to stay in based on that information? My advice here is to stay in hotels which are not too distant from the clubs you are visiting I. E. No more than a euro 20 taxi ride (or less!) from the club you are visiting. If I were you I would have FKK Sharks and FKK Oase as must visit clubs and probably give each venue at least two days of your time.
3) I do like to have some beers and mixed drinks and won't be driving a rental at all. I'm assuming I'll be there late and have to rely on taxi or train system on my way back to my hotel. I like a drink or two myself when in the clubs (some serious Olympic professionals frown on alcohol as it can affect performance!) and handy not to have too far to travel by taxi at the end of the evening! You don't need to stay in very expensive hotels as you probably will just be sleeping there for a few hours. There are plenty of nice mid-range hotels (which are modern, clean and with nice facilities) to choose from. PM me when you know what clubs you're interested in visiting and I will give you a few hotel recommendations.
4) I have tons of other questions but will roll those out on the FAQ thread since still couldn't find the basic protocol how these work and will read some more here. See what response you get here to these questions and maybe a few old hands will give you advice by PM rather than asking massive amounts of questions on the board. Good luck and I know you will have fun!
Hey Kooper man, reasonable enough request and good luck with your plan to explore the world of FKK / Sauna clubs. Methinks once you have visited your first FKK Club the plans for ordinary tourist activity may go out the window!
Sounds like a nice chunk of time (bring a loaded wallet)! A normal trip for me now is three or four days (no sightseeing), but I guess I am more local than some and my return costs are also probably less. Six / seven nights will pass by quickly for someone new to the experience but it does allow for a rest day or two should that be necessary.
My advice here is to stay in hotels which are not too distant from the clubs you are visiting I. E. No more than a euro 20 taxi ride (or less!) from the club you are visiting. If I were you I would have FKK Sharks and FKK Oase as must visit clubs and probably give each venue at least two days of your time.
I like a drink or two myself when in the clubs (some serious Olympic professionals frown on alcohol as it can affect performance!) and handy not to have too far to travel by taxi at the end of the evening! You don't need to stay in very expensive hotels as you probably will just be sleeping there for a few hours. There are plenty of nice mid-range hotels (which are modern, clean and with nice facilities) to choose from. PM me when you know what clubs you're interested in visiting and I will give you a few hotel recommendations.
See what response you get here to these questions and maybe a few old hands will give you advice by PM rather than asking massive amounts of questions on the board. Good luck and I know you will have fun!Yeah, you can cross off two of those days since my flight time will be 10 hours if everything goes well and I'll be on eastern US hours! I'm sure I'll be pretty washed up the first day which will make for a nice relaxing day at the FKK perfect between some good sleep in a nice hotel room. The money thing was part of my consideration for the longer stay and that's what I was trying to gauge, I might shorten it up but I have plenty of time to consider how long after doing more reading. Good to hear about 3 days is "enough" and maybe 4 tops.
I'll give you a shout definitely once closer to the time. It's a ways away from now and that's what I was thinking closer Sharks or Oase in some form or at least one of them.
You're so right, I usually won't do much "touristy" stuff and feel once walking in the FKK will change my mind quickly. I usually like to save those things for separate trips down the road anyway, I feel the only touristy thing I may do is the event and not much else!
Thanks for the help and I'll be PMing I'm sure a couple guys on here to get more detail closer to my dates.
In continuing effort to get the most out of my FKK trip to Stuttgart I am seeking answers to the following questions: 1) How much should I expect to pay for a 1/2 hour session that is GFE, including DFK, CBJ, DATY, ending in 1 pop full service. I am seeing the base charge of 50 Euros for 30 minutes but then I am seeing people are saying the ladies want extra for certain acts. I do not need anal sex or CIM. In scenario 2) everything the same except for a 1 hour session and multiple pops. Also I am into MILF's (age 30 to 40) with larger breasts. I see a few that interest me on the Sakura website, but in reviewing other clubs in the area, the websites do not have pictures of the ladies or they all seem to be 18-25. Can anyone point me in the right direction in the Stuttgart area or is there somewhere in a 2 or 3 hour rental car drive that meets this requirement?
In my experience the lineup during the fall has been superior to the spring lineup. But this makes zero sense from a business perspective. Just like the well known saying goes; As the sun goes up, the cock rises.
Men tend to get hornier after a winter break when it starts getting warmer outside, so there should potentially be more rooms during spring than during fall. At least from March and onwards. There are big potentials here.
ExpatLover
02-19-18, 19:39
In continuing effort to get the most out of my FKK trip to Stuttgart I am seeking answers to the following questions: 1) How much should I expect to pay for a 1/2 hour session that is GFE, including DFK, CBJ, DATY, ending in 1 pop full service. I am seeing the base charge of 50 Euros for 30 minutes but then I am seeing people are saying the ladies want extra for certain acts. I do not need anal sex or CIM. In scenario 2) everything the same except for a 1 hour session and multiple pops. Also I am into MILF's (age 30 to 40) with larger breasts. I see a few that interest me on the Sakura website, but in reviewing other clubs in the area, the websites do not have pictures of the ladies or they all seem to be 18-25. Can anyone point me in the right direction in the Stuttgart area or is there somewhere in a 2 or 3 hour rental car drive that meets this requirement?Why are you into MILF? Is it the dream to have sex with your m. ? The reverse of oedipe from Freud, you should speak about it with your psychiatric, I am 60 years old but never can imagine having sex with a prostitute older than 25/28, I am paying to fuck young and sexy girls not for old woman, since the world is world the things are working like this, only in the recent years there is a kind of trend young guys willing to fuck old woman which makes no sense, physically at least.
ExpatLover
02-19-18, 20:08
In continuing effort to get the most out of my FKK trip to Stuttgart I am seeking answers to the following questions: 1) How much should I expect to pay for a 1/2 hour session that is GFE, including DFK, CBJ, DATY, ending in 1 pop full service. I am seeing the base charge of 50 Euros for 30 minutes but then I am seeing people are saying the ladies want extra for certain acts. I do not need anal sex or CIM. In scenario 2) everything the same except for a 1 hour session and multiple pops. Also I am into MILF's (age 30 to 40) with larger breasts. I see a few that interest me on the Sakura website, but in reviewing other clubs in the area, the websites do not have pictures of the ladies or they all seem to be 18-25. Can anyone point me in the right direction in the Stuttgart area or is there somewhere in a 2 or 3 hour rental car drive that meets this requirement?As a newcomer don t expect GFE for 50 euro need to spend at least 100. All / most the girls will not accept multiple pops need to be clarify before.
Pennywiseb
02-20-18, 10:56
Planning to visit Frankfurt next month, but also free for neighboring cities. Will be grateful if someone advises the FKK, where there is a chance to meet asian girls.
As well as, what day of the week the ration girls / guys is most favorable? (girls more than guys).
Thanks!
ExpatLover
02-20-18, 20:13
Planning to visit Frankfurt next month, but also free for neighboring cities. Will be grateful if someone advises the FKK, where there is a chance to meet asian girls.
As well as, what day of the week the ration girls / guys is most favorable? (girls more than guys).
Thanks!Forget Asian girls in Germany, except some Thai veteran and Chinese nothing is available, nobody can predict the ratio man to woman for example this Sunday at Shark there were very few man and a lot of girls which is very uncommon.
Vito Corleone
02-21-18, 07:39
Planning to visit Frankfurt next month, but also free for neighboring cities. Will be grateful if someone advises the FKK, where there is a chance to meet asian girls.
As well as, what day of the week the ration girls / guys is most favorable? (girls more than guys).
Thanks!World has some hot looking Asian chicks!
I don't know if this is the right forum to post this question.
I've been traveling to Germany with numerous FKK visits for the past 10 years; now I'm looking to try some other parts of the world!
My question is if any of you guys who have also been to Colombia, how would you compare your experience to FKK? In terms of looks (most important for me), service (DFK is a must + plain action, I don't care much about anything else like even BBBJ, yet alone CIM etc), cost and safety?
I entertained the idea of going to Colombia last year, but after searching the forums for a few days I got a sense that the scene there is not as exciting, or at least that was my impression. So, I decided to stick to Germany; but I'm tempted again to give it a try this year; I have to mention I speak zero Spanish which is a key factor.
I know this question may need a forum of its own and can't be summarized in a few lines, but I'd really like to hear any summarized idea if you guys have been there. Any comparative information is really appreciated!
All For Bb
02-22-18, 03:35
I don't know if this is the right forum to post this question.
I've been traveling to Germany with numerous FKK visits for the past 10 years; now I'm looking to try some other parts of the world!
My question is if any of you guys who have also been to Colombia, how would you compare your experience to FKK? In terms of looks (most important for me), service (DFK is a must + plain action, I don't care much about anything else like even BBBJ, yet alone CIM etc), cost and safety?
I entertained the idea of going to Colombia last year, but after searching the forums for a few days I got a sense that the scene there is not as exciting, or at least that was my impression. So, I decided to stick to Germany; but I'm tempted again to give it a try this year; I have to mention I speak zero Spanish which is a key factor.
I know this question may need a forum of its own and can't be summarized in a few lines, but I'd really like to hear any summarized idea if you guys have been there. Any comparative information is really appreciated!You may go to Brazil, Thailand, and East Asia (Japan, S. Korea and China) to taste diversity of pussies. Not only Caucasian species. No idea for Colombia.
ExpatLover
02-22-18, 06:17
World has some hot looking Asian chicks!Can you give the name, sorry but there was a old Chinese woman but no more there, except her there is 0 Asia girl at World.
I don't know if this is the right forum to post this question.
I've been traveling to Germany with numerous FKK visits for the past 10 years; now I'm looking to try some other parts of the world!
My question is if any of you guys who have also been to Colombia, how would you compare your experience to FKK? In terms of looks (most important for me), service (DFK is a must + plain action, I don't care much about anything else like even BBBJ, yet alone CIM etc), cost and safety?
You should definitely visit Medellin and skipa Bogot. The girls are hot and you're spoiled for choice. Price is 80€ for 40 min which includes CBJ and sex in multiple positions. I never ask for DFK but some do offer it (my friend who I went with confirmed this). All "fkks" are strip clubs with rooms in the back. Very few guys go to these places to fuck girls so you don't have to worry about girls beeing booked / worked all night. In terms of safety just take a cab everywhere and don't flash cash or anything of value and you'll be alright.
You may go to Brazil, Thailand, and East Asia (Japan, S. Korea and China) to taste diversity of pussies. Not only Caucasian species. No idea for Colombia.Rio de janeiro has nice FKK's and they're definitely worthy of a visit. The service is excellent but not speaking portuguese is a bit of a hassle.
ExpatLover
02-22-18, 09:11
You may go to Brazil, Thailand, and East Asia (Japan, S. Korea and China) to taste diversity of pussies. Not only Caucasian species. No idea for Colombia.Despite what many are thinking the best country for girls is from far China, really cheap and impossible to find better GFE, also incredible diversity from white skin And big boobs to dark skin small boobs. But P6 is illegal there and you need to be careful or you can fall in bad hands. But so many non pro girls willing to please and also eager about western dicks.
I don't know if this is the right forum to post this question.
I've been traveling to Germany with numerous FKK visits for the past 10 years; now I'm looking to try some other parts of the world!
My question is if any of you guys who have also been to Colombia, how would you compare your experience to FKK? In terms of looks (most important for me), service (DFK is a must + plain action, I don't care much about anything else like even BBBJ, yet alone CIM etc), cost and safety?
I entertained the idea of going to Colombia last year, but after searching the forums for a few days I got a sense that the scene there is not as exciting, or at least that was my impression. So, I decided to stick to Germany; but I'm tempted again to give it a try this year; I have to mention I speak zero Spanish which is a key factor.
I know this question may need a forum of its own and can't be summarized in a few lines, but I'd really like to hear any summarized idea if you guys have been there. Any comparative information is really appreciated!I visited Medellin last year and it was my first. It's quite different there, and I felt if I can speak Spanish well it will be more fun. My Spanish is only a few words. Quality wise I think Europe had more pretty girls than mde, but mde too has pretty ones, you just got to find. Since I could not communicate much and got to gtranslate I did not felt a chemistry. On the other hand I would love to visit said Paolo this year, but I don't want to go alone. Have not been to Brazil before.
MarquisdeSade1
02-22-18, 19:07
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You may go to Brazil, Thailand, and East Asia (Japan, S. Korea and China) to taste diversity of pussies. Not only Caucasian species. No idea for Colombia.Thank you for recommendation; Brazil sounds exciting too; and shorter flight compared to far east asia for me. I'll keep that on the list.
You should definitely visit Medellin and skipa Bogot. .Thank you DasBooty; nice information.
I visited Medellin last year and it was my first. It's quite different there, and I felt if I can speak Spanish well it will be more fun. Nuupter, thanks for sharing your experience. That was also my impression after digging into the forum that not speaking Spanish can be potentially a hassle and kill the fun.
BadinSweet
02-23-18, 08:10
Nuupter, I went to Sao Paulo a few times. Though I enjoyed it, but to be honest, nothing beat FKK setup. Til this day, I still have not found any Colombian better looking than Martha at Palace.
Hi all,
Recently, I had my first FKK experience and really enjoyed it. Thanks to all the great posts and advises that I found here on ISG. I visited FKK Sharks in Darmstatd and really enjoyed my experience in terms of the facilities, food and the girls. Experience that I am going to remember for a long time. During the same visit, I also visited FKK Dietzenbach. It was a different experience (no complains) but given the limited time I had, I could have avoided it and gone to Sharks or Oase. Now I have two days in early March and looking for a FKK recommendation. I will be flying from London (Thursday afternoon / evening) and have to be back in London by Saturday night. Which means that I have Thursday evening, Friday (full day) and Saturday till evening / afternoon. Based on the flight options, here is what I have 1) Fly to Dusseldorf and visit FKK clubs there (GoldenTime and / or Occeans) 2) Fly to Hamburg and visit FKK Harmony and / or Atmos 3) Fly to Frankfurt and visit Oase or Sharks.
Based on the late night flight option from Hamburg (10 PM) I am opting for Hamburg. What do you guys think? The latest flight I have from Dusseldorf is at 7 PM (so will hardly have 4 hours). I believe flights from Frankfurt may also be the same I. E. In late afternoon or early evening). So here are the questions I have.
1) How are FKKs in Hamburg and Dusseldorf when compared to Sharks (mainly looking for good facilities, and beautiful (Optics) girls)? Any recommendations?
2) Shall I just enjoy the FKK outing on Friday and take it easy on Thursday and Saturday and try something else. The other options are to enjoy something in London (may be a visit to the Phoenix club on Thursday and leave to Germany on Friday morning or leave to Germany on Thursday and get back early on Saturday and go to Phoenix club). Any good Brothel recommendation in Hamburg or Dusseldorf for Saturday (instead of FKK)?
Guys, I can really use some help and advice here. Thanks in advance for the help.
Austin.
Delta Indigo
02-23-18, 10:46
Nuupter, I went to Sao Paulo a few times. Though I enjoyed it, but to be honest, nothing beat FKK setup. Til this day, I still have not found any Colombian better looking than Martha at Palace.The Brazilians I have been with in Fkks and elsewhere do seem to be very good service oriented providers, I have never been to Brazil though. I agree that they do not look as pretty as East Europeans on the face, but sometimes their bodies are in great shape.
I take it you are not an enormous lover of ass and anal? I don't go to Brazil because it is way out there and I live in Europe, but if you were a lover of the female rear then isn't Brazil hard to beat?
How did you find the quality in Sao Paolo service and looks wise compared to an FKK heavan? It is hard for me to believe the lineup is optically anywhere near as good, but as for the service, I have had some amazing experiences with Brazilians at the standard FKK rate, this was in Samya.
I take it you are not an enormous lover of ass and anal? I don't go to Brazil because it is way out there and I live in Europe, but if you were a lover of the female rear then isn't Brazil hard to beat?
I love big butts and Brazil really delivers. I especially remember one session where anal was included in the basic price and a girl went from giving me a bbj to anal without any preparation (that I could see). Now that's first class service! Colombia comes in second when it comes to big butts and the Dominican Republic in third.
The Termas in Rio are the equivalent of FKK's in Europe.
BadinSweet
02-23-18, 20:39
I was also in Rio but didn't visit any termas. Yes, if you like butt and anal, Brazil is the place to be. It's just not my thing. I have never seen so many girls with HUGE butt! Service wise, if you have been to Globe, it is at that level and more. Though I don't speak any Portuguese, I would say 75%+ of the girls I sessioned with gave me their number and were willing to come meet me at my hotel, for a bare minimum, or even for free.
BadinSweet
02-23-18, 20:48
Austin28, since you enjoyed your Sharks visit, I would just stick to FRA. GT will be a zoo during weekend and LR lineup, from what people says, are not what it used to be. The only facility in DUS area that can match Sharks is Ocean but I find the lineup there so-so (only visited once, so take that with a grain of salt). If you get bored with Sharks, you can always go to Oase which have comparable lineup. Have fun!
Austin28, since you enjoyed your Sharks visit, I would just stick to FRA. GT will be a zoo during weekend and LR lineup, from what people says, are not what it used to be. The only facility in DUS area that can match Sharks is Ocean but I find the lineup there so-so (only visited once, so take that with a grain of salt). If you get bored with Sharks, you can always go to Oase which have comparable lineup. Have fun!Thanks for the response. So GT and LR are off the table which leaves Oceans in Dus. Now this will help me to rethink about Dus. Now I am thinking of spending quality day on Friday at a German FKK (get there by early morning flight and back on Saturday morning. Given this, which one would you recommend 1) Berlin 2) Frankfurt 3) Cologne or any other (Vienna?
Thanks again.
Delta Indigo
02-24-18, 01:18
I was also in Rio but didn't visit any termas. Yes, if you like butt and anal, Brazil is the place to be. It's just not my thing. I have never seen so many girls with HUGE butt! Service wise, if you have been to Globe, it is at that level and more. Though I don't speak any Portuguese, I would say 75%+ of the girls I sessioned with gave me their number and were willing to come meet me at my hotel, for a bare minimum, or even for free.Your hotel at a minimum or for free, well that is better than the Globe, isn't it? I think Brazil does have a lot of potential, please elaborate about the for free.
Thanks for the response. So GT and LR are off the table which leaves Oceans in Dus. Now this will help me to rethink about Dus. Now I am thinking of spending quality day on Friday at a German FKK (get there by early morning flight and back on Saturday morning. Given this, which one would you recommend 1) Berlin 2) Frankfurt 3) Cologne or any other (Vienna?
Thanks again.
I second what BadinSweet said. LR was my favorite in 2016/17, but since 4-5 months ago the line up has gone downhill. I would stick to Frankfurt. World in Frankfurt can sometimes be really good too, at least in my experience in 2017. I was in Berlin (Artemis) in September; it is more expensive, more limited service and lots of upsell, the only advantage is you get more variety of girls from around the globe, although still majority are Romanians. I would not return to Berlin; and Cologne / Dusseldorf are off my list for now until the lineup improves again at LR (hopefully). I personally did not have a good experience at Ocean. If I happen to go to Cologne/Dus area, I would go to Babylon, smaller club but overall is much better than LR now. Recently, I had a nice time at Paradise in Saarbrucken (I wrote a paragraph about it in that forum) if you have/rent a car, it less than 2 hours drive from Frankfurt, but number of girls are also much less.
I have not been to Vienna, so I don't know.
I second what BadinSweet said. LR was my favorite in 2016/17, but since 4-5 months ago the line up has gone downhill. I would stick to Frankfurt. World in Frankfurt can sometimes be really good too, at least in my experience in 2017. I was in Berlin (Artemis) in September; it is more expensive, more limited service and lots of upsell, the only advantage is you get more variety of girls from around the globe, although still majority are Romanians. I would not return to Berlin; and Cologne / Dusseldorf are off my list for now until the lineup improves again at LR (hopefully). I personally did not have a good experience at Ocean. If I happen to go to Cologne/Dus area, I would go to Babylon, smaller club but overall is much better than LR now. Recently, I had a nice time at Paradise in Saarbrucken (I wrote a paragraph about it in that forum) if you have/rent a car, it less than 2 hours drive from Frankfurt, but number of girls are also much less.
I have not been to Vienna, so I don't know.Thanks TB for the detailed response. How about FKK Samya in Cologne? I have been reading about it and saw some positive reports. Which one do you recommend between Oase and Samya? Is FKK Oase easily accessible from Frankfurt airport?. Can use some tips on where to stay and transportation if decide on Oase.
Thanks TB for the detailed response. How about FKK Samya in Cologne? I have been reading about it and saw some positive reports. Which one do you recommend between Oase and Samya? Is FKK Oase easily accessible from Frankfurt airport?. Can use some tips on where to stay and transportation if decide on Oase.You're welcome. The one and only time I was in Samya was 4-5 years ago; it was ok, line up was not too bad but not great either; I think I scored only one girl there and then got bored and headed out to another club. It does not have a large lounge to chill out, like Sharks, World or Oase do, Or does not have the warm coziness that LR has (in my opinion) for smaller clubs. I'm planning to maybe give it another visit in my next trip, but I still recommend Oase or Sharks if you are planning to stay in the club for extended hours of the day. But again this recommendation is from only 1 visit to Samya a few years ago. The outdoor areas of Oase, World and Sharks are really nice in later spring and summer. Also, last time I was in Oase was maybe 2 years ago; the line up used to be usually good; the only reason I stopped going there was upsell of DFK for 50 E (which is a must for me). But now Sharks is also moving in that direction of upsell without much doable new talent; all I see these days at Sharks are the same faces that I have been seeing for the past 5 years, and most of them I'm not attracted to, or are new faces but again not my type. I will definitely pay Oase another visit in my next trip especially that I'm reading good reports in the forums these days. As for transportation to Oase from airport, I'm not quite sure; it is a bit off the main roads, so not readily accessible by subway or bus I guess, but maybe a combination of subway and cab. But you can find several posts about public transportation to Oase if you search that forum. I usually rent a car as I find it overall to be cheaper than public transportation if I want to visit multiple clubs or cities. When I used to go to Oase more frequently, I used to stay at Mercure hotel in Bad Homburg, basic but very clean and comfortable hotel, not too expensive and is about 10 minutes drive from Oase; I usually stick to the chain hotels where I can accumulate points, and again I rent a car; so there might be local hotels that are closer and / or better.
WhiteEnvelopes
02-25-18, 07:22
Hey guys!
Thanks for all the insight and info you have shared. This is an impressive forum!
I've done Costa Rica a few times, but have a serious FKK curiosity. I have booked a week long trip to AMS for 3 days, Berlin for 4 around Halloween. I've been reading about Artemis, and it seems disappointing of late.
For a first timer, what would you say about visiting Artemis twice in a 4 day span? I'm really splitting the trip in sight seeing and sex, so Berlin seems like a reasonable spot.
Thanks in advance!
Euroknight
02-25-18, 08:23
Hey fellas,
A few questions as I'll be heading over for a first trip and doing preliminary reconnaissance.
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3) I do like to have some beers and mixed drinks and won't be driving a rental at all. I'm assuming I'll be there late and have to rely on taxi / Uber (if they do that) or train system on my way back to my hotel since it will be after the trains stop running I'm sure early morning.
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.For my next visit to Oase I have to catch a plane very early in the morning from FKF, and I was concerned about claims that trains stop completely after 1 am. I checked the german rails website in English (https://www.bahn.com/en), path from Fredrichsdorf (Taunus) to FKF Airport, and here is what I have found. Apparently there are trains every hour to FK Main Station and from there to FKF, also during weekends. Maybe somebody here can confirm?
For my next visit to Oase I have to catch a plane very early in the morning from FKF, and I was concerned about claims that trains stop completely after 1 am. I checked the german rails website in English (https://www.bahn.com/en), path from Fredrichsdorf (Taunus) to FKF Airport, and here is what I have found. Apparently there are trains every hour to FK Main Station and from there to FKF, also during weekends. Maybe somebody here can confirm?Never done it myself, but I believe the S5 night train is only working on the weekends (starting Saturday at 1. 08 am and ending early Sunday morning). Your enclosure is a bit misleading, I believe. Check www.bahn.de more thoroughly.
During the week last train from F-dorf is 00:38 am. First train is 4:08. The train ride is 49 mnts including the change of train fom S5 to S8 at Frankfurt Central station (Frankfurt Haupbahnhof). From you enclosure it seems the train ride on the night train in the weekends is double that.
Rogue Nation
02-25-18, 10:58
Take a cab. Faster. Safer regarding availability.
Citizen Kane
02-25-18, 13:08
The DB Navigator app is also very good.
Euroknight
02-25-18, 13:51
Never done it myself, but I believe the S5 night train is only working on the weekends (starting Saturday at 1. 08 am and ending early Sunday morning).You are correct, and indeed I planned to visit during the weekend.
WorldWanderer
02-25-18, 13:55
Dear all,
I am planning to visit a club with more diversity than just rom. I am particularly looking for Turk and other middle eastern nationality or Afro girls. Can you please advise me which club will be a better bet?
Cheers.
Austin28, since you enjoyed your Sharks visit, I would just stick to FRA. GT will be a zoo during weekend and LR lineup, from what people says, are not what it used to be. The only facility in DUS area that can match Sharks is Ocean but I find the lineup there so-so (only visited once, so take that with a grain of salt). If you get bored with Sharks, you can always go to Oase which have comparable lineup. Have fun!Not only Kate for pretty girls, if You like woman types, at GT. Diana, Ivana, Lori, Valentina, Maria / Maya, Flore, look like real women. LR is not on top since before Christmas.
Oase worth on Friday and Saturday, with few pretty girls.
Time for me to return to Hamburg, can always have great discoveries at Atmos, and to see how my passionate little mum will welcome me at Harmony.
You're welcome. The one and only time I was in Samya was 4-5 years ago; it was ok, line up was not too bad but not great either; I think I scored only one girl there and then got bored and headed out to another club. It does not have a large lounge to chill out, like Sharks, World or Oase do, Or does not have the warm coziness that LR has (in my opinion) for smaller clubs. I'm planning to maybe give it another visit in my next trip, but I still recommend Oase or Sharks if you are planning to stay in the club for extended hours of the day. But again this recommendation is from only 1 visit to Samya a few years ago. The outdoor areas of Oase, World and Sharks are really nice in later spring and summer. Also, last time I was in Oase was maybe 2 years ago; the line up used to be usually good; the only reason I stopped going there was upsell of DFK for 50 E (which is a must for me). But now Sharks is also moving in that direction of upsell without much doable new talent; all I see these days at Sharks are the same faces that I have been seeing for the past 5 years, and most of them I'm not attracted to, or are new faces but again not my type. I will definitely pay Oase another visit in my next trip especially that I'm reading good reports in the forums these days. As for transportation to Oase from airport, I'm not quite sure; it is a bit off the main roads, so not readily accessible by subway or bus I guess, but maybe a combination of subway and cab. But you can find several posts about public transportation to Oase if you search that forum. I usually rent a car as I find it overall to be cheaper than public transportation if I want to visit multiple clubs or cities. When I used to go to Oase more frequently, I used to stay at Mercure hotel in Bad Homburg, basic but very clean and comfortable hotel, not too expensive and is about 10 minutes drive from Oase; I usually stick to the chain hotels where I can accumulate points, and again I rent a car; so there might be local hotels that are closer and / or better.Sad for Sharks casting which was high level from 2014 to Summer 2016, and I'm pretty sure could compete with Globe on 2015. Sharks became what Oase became before, places to fuck tourists, easy even for GND, schoolgirls or little girls looks, girls there don t even need to have impressive look or aura, because clients are not demanding, they just look for a girl. Nevertheless, Oase is improving, with few pretty girls, I enjoy my new girl behavior after our first room.
At Samya, can find new pretty girls, like at Aca Velbert seen last night.
Dear all,
I am planning to visit a club with more diversity than just rom. I am particularly looking for Turk and other middle eastern nationality or Afro girls. Can you please advise me which club will be a better bet?
Cheers.Skarks and Oase have a few good-looking blackies who will provide good service. It's hit and miss whether they'll be on duty the day you visit. Turkish for me has been synonymous with upselling and unreasonable demands. If a girl tells me anything about her being some sort of Turk I give her a wide birth. I was keen on a small-titted Maroccan girl at Oase but she bloody-mindedly rejected my Sagami condom visit after visit although she knew I was a regular customer and girls around had no problems with my using such a condom.
Some races just seem to have a pretentious antagonistic mindset and that may be why they're underrepresented in the LUs. Long live the Rumanian people!
ExpatLover
02-25-18, 19:29
Dear all,
I am planning to visit a club with more diversity than just rom. I am particularly looking for Turk and other middle eastern nationality or Afro girls. Can you please advise me which club will be a better bet?
Cheers.Very few real turkish girls in the clubs, 95% of the girls are from roumania. You will find some afro in Shark but probably more from Cuba, dominican republic, I saw one in Oase but the girl had a smelling pussy so don t give her a new try.
ExpatLover
02-25-18, 20:00
Hey guys!
Thanks for all the insight and info you have shared. This is an impressive forum!
I've done Costa Rica a few times, but have a serious FKK curiosity. I have booked a week long trip to AMS for 3 days, Berlin for 4 around Halloween. I've been reading about Artemis, and it seems disappointing of late.
For a first timer, what would you say about visiting Artemis twice in a 4 day span? I'm really splitting the trip in sight seeing and sex, so Berlin seems like a reasonable spot.
Thanks in advance!Berlin is not a good city for P6, if you are not a German guy. Only 1 big club Artemis which is a bad club, the girls are mostly veteran one in relation with HA the motorgang. Now it is always the same story you can visit Artemis meet a great girl for you and have great fun. Good luck, may be you can also try some escort there.
Vito Corleone
02-26-18, 06:26
Dear all,
I am planning to visit a club with more diversity than just rom. I am particularly looking for Turk and other middle eastern nationality or Afro girls. Can you please advise me which club will be a better bet?
Cheers.Magnum has a good amount of black Turkish type girls.
BigBuddy69
02-26-18, 19:54
The ones with a mustache and chest hair are actually men.
I stay at the Hilton. Uber & lyft are very popular in Germany!Sarcasm or just bsing?
ExpatLover
02-26-18, 20:47
Magnum has a good amount of black Turkish type girls.Sorry but I really doubt about this, may be 1 or 2 real Turkish girls, all the others from Roumania or Albania.
So how's the new registration system going for working girls? Haven't read any updates.
Vito Corleone
02-27-18, 10:03
Sarcasm or just bsing?Sometimes I stay at the Marriott.
ExpatLover
02-27-18, 21:04
So how's the new registration system going for working girls? Haven't read any updates.It depends city by city or land by land, in World without papers you can enter, globally all the girls have the papers or at least a fix appointment with the authorities or it is difficult for them to work in the big clubs.
Sarcasm or just bsing?If you follow his last few posts it's clear he's trolling.
HungryStud101
02-28-18, 03:07
Hello all.
I arrive next Thursday in Frankfurt. I plan to get off the plane and hit Sharks. I have never been there but people have been raving about it for the last 6 years. I was an Oase man but I was seriously disappointed with the service last year. If there is no difference between Sharks and Oase than I will head up to NRW and try Samya, LR and return to GTs. I had been to GTs twice last year and I liked it. I really liked GT's Joanna the Dutch girl and her friend Bella the little German spinner. There was another German girl Rose that I didn't get to.
Another option is to head down to Stuttgart. I have a friend from another board I may meet up at Paradise.
The next week I have about 4 days of business in Brussels and then I will head back to NRW and the Living Room or maybe GTs again. I have to leave again from Brussels Monday morning.
I have rented a car the last three times in Germany but last year at this time I was flashed and two damn tickets ended up in my work mail. I haven't paid them. But I am an outlaw like that. I once ripped off one of those "Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law" labels off a mattress.
Anyway, I was thinking about maybe using the EuroRail to explore a bit and heading over to Berlin or Hamburg. Penny for your thoughts. I can still extend my stay since I jut bought the tickets today.
MarquisdeSade1
02-28-18, 03:51
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/it-will-be-merkel-s-fault-if-the-eu-falls-apart-9gsljn9lx#.
Hello all.
I arrive next Thursday in Frankfurt. I plan to get off the plane and hit Sharks. I have never been there but people have been raving about it for the last 6 years. I was an Oase man but I was seriously disappointed with the service last year. If there is no difference between Sharks and Oase than I will head up to NRW and try Samya, LR and return to GTs. I had been to GTs twice last year and I liked it. I really liked GT's Joanna the Dutch girl and her friend Bella the little German spinner. There was another German girl Rose that I didn't get to.
Another option is to head down to Stuttgart. I have a friend from another board I may meet up at Paradise.
The next week I have about 4 days of business in Brussels and then I will head back to NRW and the Living Room or maybe GTs again. I have to leave again from Brussels Monday morning.
I have rented a car the last three times in Germany but last year at this time I was flashed and two damn tickets ended up in my work mail. I haven't paid them. But I am an outlaw like that. I once ripped off one of those "Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law" labels off a mattress.
Anyway, I was thinking about maybe using the EuroRail to explore a bit and heading over to Berlin or Hamburg. Penny for your thoughts. I can still extend my stay since I jut bought the tickets today.I guess all clubs have their ups and downs over the years; none of them have remained the same with a consistent good or bad line up or attitude. LR line up has deteriorated since fall of 2017 but before that was really solid for about 2 years. I would not recommend Paradise in Stuttgart. Sakura in Stuttgart maybe worth a visit but only if your stay is long enough to sample other clubs too. If is a short trip I'd stick to Oase, Sharks and maybe World. I liked Paradise in Saarbrucken too. I did not like Hamburg or Berlin either, mediocre lineup and service and more expensive; last time was in September.
I was flashed in my past trip too (first time in the past 5 years), and got the news / administrative charge from the car rental, but no actual ticket yet in the mail.
ExpatLover
02-28-18, 07:04
Hello all.
I arrive next Thursday in Frankfurt. I plan to get off the plane and hit Sharks. I have never been there but people have been raving about it for the last 6 years. I was an Oase man but I was seriously disappointed with the service last year. If there is no difference between Sharks and Oase than I will head up to NRW and try Samya, LR and return to GTs. I had been to GTs twice last year and I liked it. I really liked GT's Joanna the Dutch girl and her friend Bella the little German spinner. There was another German girl Rose that I didn't get to.
Another option is to head down to Stuttgart. I have a friend from another board I may meet up at Paradise.
The next week I have about 4 days of business in Brussels and then I will head back to NRW and the Living Room or maybe GTs again. I have to leave again from Brussels Monday morning.
I have rented a car the last three times in Germany but last year at this time I was flashed and two damn tickets ended up in my work mail. I haven't paid them. But I am an outlaw like that. I once ripped off one of those "Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law" labels off a mattress.
Anyway, I was thinking about maybe using the EuroRail to explore a bit and heading over to Berlin or Hamburg. Penny for your thoughts. I can still extend my stay since I jut bought the tickets today.You can forget GT and LR, better to stick on Samya and Babylon. It seems that paradise Stuttgart has more than 100 girls.
MarquisdeSade1
03-03-18, 08:31
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Great news for the mongers. This year the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany, which is equivalent to the Supreme Court of the USA in the US. , wants to decide on the Prostitute Protection Act. See the point 28 of the following link (use translation tool because the texts in the links are in German). This means that some provisions of the law could be ruled unconstitutional (meaning illegal) by the Court this year.
http://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/DE/Verfahren/Jahresvorausschau/vs_2018/vorausschau_2018_node.html
The Prostitute Protection Act link:
http://www.6profis.de/lp/prostschg/faq.php
From what I understood from the discussion on German forum (see the following link starting from the post posted by Marleen2010 on Feb. 22nd), the judge in charge of this case is at least not bad for this case from mongers' point of view. Some of the ISG members with more knowledge of German legal system probably could elaborate this further.
http://www.rheinforum.com/threads/neues-prostitutionsgesetz-kommt-kein-ao-sex-mehr-und-eine-neuer-hurenpass.116418/page-135
A request to the senior members of the forum: I need some guidance / suggestions for a trip in 2 weeks time.
I've been away from FKK clubs for about 6 months. Over the past 4 years I've reported on them fairly frequently and have posted reports on Artemis, Sharks / Oase / Mainhattan / World / Palace / Oceans / LR / Samya / Paradise / Sakura / Dresden / Atmos / Harmony / Sunshine. So most of the bigger clubs in the main cities.
I appear to prefer the bigger clubs over the smaller intimate ones. LR smoking lounge is a killer for me. Hated it.
So. I've got three nights only in two weeks. A Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
Flights mean I'm thinking of Oceans. Then one of the FRA clubs and then Paradise. I've not enjoyed my last 3 visits to Sharks but it's always sort of irresistible! I loved my one trip to World but several years ago and its miles from anywhere and I use public transport. I normally find Palace better than it gets reported on. I like Artemis!
But what is the current thinking on LU in the clubs? I have no problem in getting trains in between cities on these three days. I don't want to spend 3 days in Frankfurt. I need to fly home from either Berlin / Stuttgart / Munich / Hamburg or Dusseldorf. So is Oceans / Sharks / Paradise the best plan? Or would you (on current LU do Artemis / Atmos / Harmony? Or Oceans / Oase / Sukura? I love Munich but Sunshine is the only decent club and its quite a way to get to it.
Sirioja. What are your thoughts please? You normally have a good finger on the pulse of best clubs.
I can only promise a full report in the relevant forums in exchange for your thoughts guys. Would really appreciate some guidance. Thanks.
BrianKaneman
03-06-18, 04:43
The cologne section is very weak thought I would ask here.
I am going to be in cologne for a tradeshow in a couple of weeks for 4 nights. I am looking for any private houses near old town. I also would be interested to find infomation on escorts who can come visit me at my hotel.
I am also planning on going to sayma, and posha, can't wait to see what trouble we can find there.
ExpatLover
03-06-18, 05:58
A request to the senior members of the forum: I need some guidance / suggestions for a trip in 2 weeks time.
I've been away from FKK clubs for about 6 months. Over the past 4 years I've reported on them fairly frequently and have posted reports on Artemis, Sharks / Oase / Mainhattan / World / Palace / Oceans / LR / Samya / Paradise / Sakura / Dresden / Atmos / Harmony / Sunshine. So most of the bigger clubs in the main cities.
I appear to prefer the bigger clubs over the smaller intimate ones. LR smoking lounge is a killer for me. Hated it.
So. I've got three nights only in two weeks. A Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
Flights mean I'm thinking of Oceans. Then one of the FRA clubs and then Paradise. I've not enjoyed my last 3 visits to Sharks but it's always sort of irresistible! I loved my one trip to World but several years ago and its miles from anywhere and I use public transport. I normally find Palace better than it gets reported on. I like Artemis!
But what is the current thinking on LU in the clubs? I have no problem in getting trains in between cities on these three days. I don't want to spend 3 days in Frankfurt. I need to fly home from either Berlin / Stuttgart / Munich / Hamburg or Dusseldorf. So is Oceans / Sharks / Paradise the best plan? Or would you (on current LU do Artemis / Atmos / Harmony? Or Oceans / Oase / Sukura? I love Munich but Sunshine is the only decent club and its quite a way to get to it.
Sirioja. What are your thoughts please? You normally have a good finger on the pulse of best clubs.
I can only promise a full report in the relevant forums in exchange for your thoughts guys. Would really appreciate some guidance. Thanks.If I was you I will probably stick in the Frankfurt area, shark, oase, will be far enough for 3 nights no need to travel to Stuttgart the pussy are the same everywhere and 90% if not more of the girls in the clubs are from Roumania, you can also give a try to Samya or Babylon for cheap sex but the girls are young and really willing to please.
A request to the senior members of the forum: I need some guidance / suggestions for a trip in 2 weeks time.
I've been away from FKK clubs for about 6 months. Over the past 4 years I've reported on them fairly frequently and have posted reports on Artemis, Sharks / Oase / Mainhattan / World / Palace / Oceans / LR / Samya / Paradise / Sakura / Dresden / Atmos / Harmony / Sunshine. So most of the bigger clubs in the main cities.
I appear to prefer the bigger clubs over the smaller intimate ones. LR smoking lounge is a killer for me. Hated it.
So. I've got three nights only in two weeks. A Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
Flights mean I'm thinking of Oceans. Then one of the FRA clubs and then Paradise. I've not enjoyed my last 3 visits to Sharks but it's always sort of irresistible! I loved my one trip to World but several years ago and its miles from anywhere and I use public transport. I normally find Palace better than it gets reported on. I like Artemis!.You know better than me your tastes, but if you run only for pretty girls like me, I would advice Oase rather than Sharks at the moment. Some pretty girls at Oase, really not many seen at Sharks on my 2017 visits. Most elegant, Florentina doesn't return, I don't know for upselling Madi2.
You know Hamburg is different with different types of girls. Better to visit on Friday, Harmony early and Atmos at night. Elena. NL Atmos becomes a passionate GF in bed. I will return for a new try at Atmos.
Wednesday is a slow day in Dusseldorf, except at GT. Large casting on Wednesday at Sharks.
You know better than me for Paradise Stuttgart and Artemis.
Enjoy your visit.
If the Thursday is your Frankfurt day, I would think Oase would be superior to Sharks at least.
The cologne section is very weak thought I would ask here.
I am going to be in cologne for a tradeshow in a couple of weeks for 4 nights. I am looking for any private houses near old town. I also would be interested to find infomation on escorts who can come visit me at my hotel.
I am also planning on going to sayma, and posha, can't wait to see what trouble we can find there.Samya for club.
Nylon cafe for private.
Kaufmich. De for escorts.
Enjoy.
The cologne section is very weak thought I would ask here.
I am going to be in cologne for a tradeshow in a couple of weeks for 4 nights. I am looking for any private houses near old town. I also would be interested to find infomation on escorts who can come visit me at my hotel.
I am also planning on going to sayma, and posha, can't wait to see what trouble we can find there.In Koln, Samya for club.
Nylon cafe for private.
Kaufmich. De for escorts.
Enjoy.
You know better than me your tastes, but if you run only for pretty girls like me, I would advice Oase rather than Sharks at the moment. Some pretty girls at Oase, really not many seen at Sharks on my 2017 visits. Most elegant, Florentina doesn't return, I don't know for upselling Madi2.
You know Hamburg is different with different types of girls. Better to visit on Friday, Harmony early and Atmos at night. Elena. NL Atmos becomes a passionate GF in bed. I will return for a new try at Atmos.
Wednesday is a slow day in Dusseldorf, except at GT. Large casting on Wednesday at Sharks.
You know better than me for Paradise Stuttgart and Artemis.
Enjoy your visit.Many thanks for the help Siri and Pistons. The information on Oase is useful. Though I understand my old favourite there (Elizabeth Hung.) is now much larger. Haven't been back to Oase for 18 months so will give it a try. Never been to GT so might try that instead. Have always considered it a bit of hike by taxi. Is YY worth consideration? Will try to avoid Stuttgart if possible. Wasn't blown away by Paradise and is forum is not reporting good LU and neither is Sakura though I liked that club.
Many thanks for the help Siri and Pistons. The information on Oase is useful. Though I understand my old favourite there (Elizabeth Hung.) is now much larger. Haven't been back to Oase for 18 months so will give it a try. Never been to GT so might try that instead. Have always considered it a bit of hike by taxi. Is YY worth consideration? Will try to avoid Stuttgart if possible. Wasn't blown away by Paradise and is forum is not reporting good LU and neither is Sakura though I liked that club.Oase worth to visit for eyes pleasure. Elisabet. Hu worked on Thursday 22 February, maybe she ate a bit too much of good Hungarian foods cooked by mum, but she is not 200 kgs yet. Entry 50 before 4 pm, very slow before night team.
Hamburg also worth for different types girls, on Friday.
On Wednesday, I would advice Sharks or GT. I heard there is a train not so far from GT, but I'm not a specialist. Also cheap hotels in Bruggen close to GT.
I plan to exploit a business trip in Frankfurt to try an FKK club, but unfortunately the only option for me is Sunday. It seems that it's not the best day, and I even hear rumors that Sharks LU is not that good on Sundays due to the discount. Is it really the case? How much worse could it be? If I have to choose one from Sharks and Oase for a Sunday visit, which one would you recommend? I can arrive very early, around lunch time, but I have to leave also quite early, no later than 9 pm. Thanks!
I plan to exploit a business trip in Frankfurt to try an FKK club, but unfortunately the only option for me is Sunday. It seems that it's not the best day, and I even hear rumors that Sharks LU is not that good on Sundays due to the discount. Is it really the case? How much worse could it be? If I have to choose one from Sharks and Oase for a Sunday visit, which one would you recommend? I can arrive very early, around lunch time, but I have to leave also quite early, no later than 9 pm. Thanks!With your timeframe and if you plan on doing multiple rooms, Sharks is a definite go on Sunday. Girls get there earlier due to the discount; so by 3 pm, the club has a nice buzz. It also empties out earlier compared to Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. Girls begin to leave around 10pm which syncs nicely with your schedule.
Oase's lineup is night heavy every day of the week. You will find a couple of nice girls before 4 pm but the real talent shows up around dinner time. If you leave by 9pm, you only have a few hours to pick 2 or 3 girls from the full line up. Too much stress.
But remember that Sunday hardly ever matches Friday and Saturday anywhere unless there is a Monday holiday.
With your timeframe and if you plan on doing multiple rooms, Sharks is a definite go on Sunday. Girls get there earlier due to the discount; so by 3 pm, the club has a nice buzz. It also empties out earlier compared to Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. Girls begin to leave around 10pm which syncs nicely with your schedule.
Oase's lineup is night heavy every day of the week. You will find a couple of nice girls before 4 pm but the real talent shows up around dinner time. If you leave by 9pm, you only have a few hours to pick 2 or 3 girls from the full line up. Too much stress.
But remember that Sunday hardly ever matches Friday and Saturday anywhere unless there is a Monday holiday.Many thanks! Then I go for Sharks! Hopefully I will have another chance soon not on Sunday.
ExpatLover
03-08-18, 22:59
With your timeframe and if you plan on doing multiple rooms, Sharks is a definite go on Sunday. Girls get there earlier due to the discount; so by 3 pm, the club has a nice buzz. It also empties out earlier compared to Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. Girls begin to leave around 10pm which syncs nicely with your schedule.
Oase's lineup is night heavy every day of the week. You will find a couple of nice girls before 4 pm but the real talent shows up around dinner time. If you leave by 9pm, you only have a few hours to pick 2 or 3 girls from the full line up. Too much stress.
But remember that Sunday hardly ever matches Friday and Saturday anywhere unless there is a Monday holiday.Many nice girls are working day shift just because they don t drink and want to have a normal life.
So following the helpful advice from Pistons and Sirioja, I'm destined for Oceans next Thursday and Oase on Friday or Saturday.
I have one night to fill. Options are Samya (en route), Sharks, Mainhattan, Palace or even World on the Friday or Saturday night.
Easy option is Sharks but I've not been impressed last 3 visits. Would welcome thoughts or suggestions please.
So following the helpful advice from Pistons and Sirioja, I'm destined for Oceans next Thursday and Oase on Friday or Saturday.
I have one night to fill. Options are Samya (en route), Sharks, Mainhattan, Palace or even World on the Friday or Saturday night.
Easy option is Sharks but I've not been impressed last 3 visits. Would welcome thoughts or suggestions please.I thought it was Oceans on wed and Oase on Thursday?
Suggestions for your Friday would be either Sharks or YinYang if as it seems you have the same taste in girls as me. Not too up to date on Palace though. It could be worth it too I guess. Heard ups and downs regarding Samya lately too, hence I skipped it on my last trip. World and Mainhatten has rather mediocre reports lately.
So following the helpful advice from Pistons and Sirioja, I'm destined for Oceans next Thursday and Oase on Friday or Saturday.
I have one night to fill. Options are Samya (en route), Sharks, Mainhattan, Palace or even World on the Friday or Saturday night.
Easy option is Sharks but I've not been impressed last 3 visits. Would welcome thoughts or suggestions please.No Elizabet. Hu on this Thursday night at Oase. She was there 2 weeks ago.
I can't advice you Oceans, land of no kissing and free rates with most of time very average casting, around Düsseldorf. On a Thursday, GT or Samya.
For FRA, Sharks on Friday and Oase on Saturday.
I will try to return to Hamburg on next week end.
No Elizabet. Hu on this Thursday night at Oase. She was there 2 weeks ago.
I can't advice you Oceans, land of no kissing and free rates with most of time very average casting, around Dsseldorf. On a Thursday, GT or Samya.
For FRA, Sharks on Friday and Oase on Saturday.
I will try to return to Hamburg on next week end.Many thanks Sirioja. Much appreciated. That resolves it for me. Enjoy Hamburg. I was tempted to go there actually but I'm not a big Amos fan. Loved Harmony. But have booked flights now. Cheers.
I can't advice you Oceans, land of no kissing and free rates with most of time very average casting, around Dsseldorf.YMMV. I get kissing from over 50% at Oceans.
YMMV. I get kissing from over 50% at Oceans.I don't go with girls when they say not kissing, Andra, Sofia, Simona, Emma. De, all the prettiest for my eyes at Oceans.
Passionate kisser beauties make me dream, I drive for them.
BigBuddy69
03-11-18, 06:53
YMMV. I get kissing from over 50% at Oceans.For me that's a weak rate.
For me that's a weak rate.Sadly I think that is average for better looking girls at Hessen clubs, especially for 50 euro. Oh well, that just makes it easier to select a girl. But yes, that rate seems accurate in my experience at Oceans, even for 1 hour rooms with a girl for the first time.
For me that's a weak rate.It's more than not getting it. And I mainly pay 50 also. Plus I only pick top lookers. If I had gone with everyone I am sure the ratio would be higher. And over 50% can mean all the way up to 100% just in case you didn't know.
Sadly I think that is average for better looking girls at Hessen clubs, especially for 50 euro. Oh well, that just makes it easier to select a girl. But yes, that rate seems accurate in my experience at Oceans, even for 1 hour rooms with a girl for the first time.I don't mind to pay more than 100 for more than 1 hour on first room with a pretty girl who worth for her look and behavior. Usually I feel after less than 5 minutes in room how will be our game. More than 4 hours with top level Katea. Ru on our first room, and I really didn't manage well for money, paying 350 for nearly 4 h 15 of really sporty sex. On that day, like with some other girls, I let the time run, because it was a rare room. Only 1 room finishing after midnight, I prefer rather than many average rooms.
Beauties have not same rate for me than little girls or GND. GND meaning for me you see many prettier in streets. Waiting for your Sharks elegant beauties to run there. Even if snow or icy roads, I will be the fastest on slick tires.
I don't mind to pay more than 100 for more than 1 hour on first room with a pretty girl who worth for her look and behavior. Usually I feel after less than 5 minutes in room how will be our game. More than 4 hours with top level Katea. Ru on our first room, and I really didn't manage well for money, paying 350 for nearly 4 h 15 of really sporty sex. On that day, like with some other girls, I let the time run, because it was a rare room. Only 1 room finishing after midnight, I prefer rather than many average rooms.
Beauties have not same rate for me than little girls or GND. GND meaning for me you see many prettier in streets. Waiting for your Sharks elegant beauties to run there. Even if snow or icy roads, I will be the fastest on slick tires.I'm sure you rocked her world. Katea told every one EXACTLY how much she loved you 🤫
I will be in Frankfurt on Sunday March 25 and I plan on spending most of the day at one of the FKKs starting around 1:00 pm. Which one would be my best bet on a Sunday afternoon? Should I stay away from Sharks due to the discounted rate? I don't want a sausage fest. It would also be nice if there was a hotel nearby within walking distance.
Pistons, Takedown, and BB69, thanks for the info on your experience with real kissing (not the waving of tongue version) rates. I had been thinking my declining success was down to my advancing age. Three years ago I was at 90% on 30 minute sessions with new girls, but now, with new girls, I am down to below 50% (I don't ask beforehand, but will do in future). With repeat girls the rate is about 90% (a few girls have enough to get me to repeat even with no kissing).
My experience over the last three years is limited to Sharks, Dietzenbach, La Luna, Villa Venus, Living Room, Acapulco Gold, Acapulco and World, so by no means authoritative.
FunExplorer
03-12-18, 16:59
I will be in Frankfurt on Sunday March 25 and I plan on spending most of the day at one of the FKKs starting around 1:00 pm. Which one would be my best bet on a Sunday afternoon? Should I stay away from Sharks due to the discounted rate? I don't want a sausage fest. It would also be nice if there was a hotel nearby within walking distance.Your best bet is Sharks. Comtel Hotel is just three minutes away from Sharks.
The kissing ratio is higher in some clubs for sure. And with younger girls especially, the chances of kissing on room #1 is rather mediocre. While on room #2 or 3 or 4, they usually open up to more kissing. Women even at FKKs seems to obide by the rule that they want to know you first. While us men seems to favor not knowing them. LOL.
At YY so far my ratio is 100%. Samya is 80-85%. GT is 30-40% on the lower end. Other clubs fall in between.
VetMILFHunter
03-12-18, 18:12
I will be in Frankfurt on Sunday March 25 and I plan on spending most of the day at one of the FKKs starting around 1:00 pm. Which one would be my best bet on a Sunday afternoon? Should I stay away from Sharks due to the discounted rate? I don't want a sausage fest. It would also be nice if there was a hotel nearby within walking distance.I am also arriving that day. Going to Oase though and staying at Mercure hotel. 10 euro taxi ride to the club from there is what everyone told me. Will you be traveling from Frankfurt airport to the hotel and club? I am as well possibly meet up in airport and cut taxi cost down!
HeyyyyyyPaul
03-12-18, 19:28
Pistons, Takedown, and BB69, thanks for the info on your experience with real kissing (not the waving of tongue version) rates. I had been thinking my declining success was down to my advancing age. Three years ago I was at 90% on 30 minute sessions with new girls, but now, with new girls, I am down to below 50% (I don't ask beforehand, but will do in future). With repeat girls the rate is about 90% (a few girls have enough to get me to repeat even with no kissing).
My experience over the last three years is limited to Sharks, Dietzenbach, La Luna, Villa Venus, Living Room, Acapulco Gold, Acapulco and World, so by no means authoritative.Hi optimist,
Is there much interesting about la luna other than that its so close to Duisburg?
Looking to visit some clubs less talked about on my next trip.
I will be in Frankfurt on Sunday March 25 and I plan on spending most of the day at one of the FKKs starting around 1:00 pm. Which one would be my best bet on a Sunday afternoon? Should I stay away from Sharks due to the discounted rate? I don't want a sausage fest. It would also be nice if there was a hotel nearby within walking distance.Sharks hasnt been a sausage fest for me on my last few Sunday visits. You probably already know about the 60-80 euro Hotel Contel at the end of the block.
Palace has Hotel Fleming right next to it.
There's a hotel on the main road next to Mainhattan about 20 minute walk away.
Nothing near Oase.
ExpatLover
03-12-18, 21:38
I will be in Frankfurt on Sunday March 25 and I plan on spending most of the day at one of the FKKs starting around 1:00 pm. Which one would be my best bet on a Sunday afternoon? Should I stay away from Sharks due to the discounted rate? I don't want a sausage fest. It would also be nice if there was a hotel nearby within walking distance.The risk is high to get a bad ratio woman to man on Sunday, but if you just Sunday free you have no choice, probably I think Oase or Shark could be the best options, Manhattan is cheating club so forget it.
Hi optimist,
Is there much interesting about la luna other than that its so close to Duisburg?
Looking to visit some clubs less talked about on my next trip.Tiny and poor lineup overall, but I go for the amazing Kathi who can DFK all night and come repeatedly. Sometimes she can be overworked, overbooked and tired. Vanessa is great fun if in a good mood.
If you are passing by it might be worth a gamble.
ExpatLover
03-12-18, 21:56
Tiny and poor lineup overall, but I go for the amazing Kathi who can DFK all night and come repeatedly. Sometimes she can be overworked, overbooked and tired. Vanessa is great fun if in a good mood.
If you are passing by it might be worth a gamble.Visiting a club just for 1 or 2 potential girls, sorry not for me.
Nothing near Oase.There is a Mercure in Friedrichsdorf. I stayed there on my first Oase visit. Quite ok place. Not very expensive, but it is best to get a taxi. I recall I did the cheap charlie walk back then. 50 minutes or so, although I did jog also in about 20 minutes too. Weather was great. Was like gym exercise.
I am also arriving that day. Going to Oase though and staying at Mercure hotel. 10 euro taxi ride to the club from there is what everyone told me. Will you be traveling from Frankfurt airport to the hotel and club? I am as well possibly meet up in airport and cut taxi cost down!I stayed at Mercure several times. One advantage, even with no phone, the hotel can call taxi and you can, of course, return from Oase to hotel and do not have to worry about train connections. Sometimes there was one or no taxi at Friedrichdorf bhf.
Dick Travel
03-13-18, 10:47
Tuesday late pm / evening.
- which will be best lineup GT, YY, 6 sens?
I know not the best night to go!
Banana Boi
03-13-18, 11:00
Tiny and poor lineup overall, but I go for the amazing Kathi who can DFK all night and come repeatedly. Sometimes she can be overworked, overbooked and tired. Vanessa is great fun if in a good mood.
If you are passing by it might be worth a gamble.Kathi is definitely a good looking girl. She's a bit crazy in a fun way. Definitely no longer 21! She was much thinner when I saw her. These photos are not recent. http://fkk-club.com/nrw-girls/duisburg-girls/kathi-21-jahre.
There is a big Messe this coming week and I was wondering if anyone has experience if Living Room, and Acapulco Gold are particularly badly affected. I will be using public transport so can't choose GT as an alternative.
Is Heaven 7 in Willich on an up or downswing at the moment? I figure it will not be affected by the Messe.
Thanks for any input.
BigBuddy69
03-13-18, 12:00
I advise you to forget about H7. Is it a really big Messe? If you come early in LR and in Aca gold you should be fine, tourists come late. Maybe LR could be crowded on Saturday. If you're into public transportation, Acapulco velbert could be an option. Honestly the trip is not really longer than the trip to Ratingen.
There is a big Messe this coming week and I was wondering if anyone has experience if Living Room, and Acapulco Gold are particularly badly affected. I will be using public transport so can't choose GT as an alternative.
Is Heaven 7 in Willich on an up or downswing at the moment? I figure it will not be affected by the Messe.
Thanks for any input.GT is only around 10 taxi drive from Kaldenkirchen train station.
Polyamorist
03-13-18, 12:11
Al-salaam Optimist.
Pistons, Takedown, and BB69, thanks for the info on your experience with real kissing (not the waving of tongue version) rates. I had been thinking my declining success was down to my advancing age. Three years ago I was at 90% on 30 minute sessions with new girls, but now, with new girls, I am down to below 50% (I don't ask beforehand, but will do in future). With repeat girls the rate is about 90% (a few girls have enough to get me to repeat even with no kissing).
My experience over the last three years is limited to Sharks, Dietzenbach, La Luna, Villa Venus, Living Room, Acapulco Gold, Acapulco and World, so by no means authoritative.Man you didn't get old, the scene did. I've had the same experience, even in NRW. The kissing rate is a good thermometer for the amount of good will in an environment: basically, whether the girls like their work and their customer base. 90% to under 50% is saying that the real action has moved elsewhere. The kissing is like an Early Warning System for anyone paying attention.
BB69. Thanks for the advice. I will put Acapulco on my list: I ought to give it another chance.
Polyamorist. Yes, I think there is plenty of evidence of moving elsewhere. My problem is I am not sure I can follow.
GT is only around 10 taxi drive from Kaldenkirchen train station.Yes I know. Maybe I will consider it again. I have never visited since my Queen left GT. Thanks
Polyamorist
03-13-18, 16:17
Polyamorist. Yes, I think there is plenty of evidence of moving elsewhere. My problem is I am not sure I can follow.Na-uzo-billah! So where do you think all the best girls have gone?
The kissing is like an Early Warning System for anyone paying attention.I hope that doesn't mean Sharks is done for. For the first time, I had a hard time with real kissing on my last trip. Even for 1 HR rooms.
BigBuddy69
03-13-18, 18:47
I hope that doesn't mean Sharks is done for. For the first time, I had a hard time with real kissing on my last trip. Even for 1 HR rooms.Easy solution, boycott.
Easy solution, boycott.Boycotting specific girls, sure. But boycotting a club entirely? It may work eventually, but it's hardly easy. If boycotting, you better be in it for the long haul. Oase is just now improving after 2+ years of boycotting by the locals. As a fly in monger, is it really worth it for me to get behind such efforts?
With over 100 girls, its easier for me to just go to one that provides the services that I want at the price I want. Its just annoying to not be able to have the toy I wanted in the first place.
BigBuddy69
03-13-18, 19:41
At least you're not wasting your money. There are a lot of places where the girls deserve more your money and are more respectful than in Sharks.
As long as the customers will agree to every conditions set by the girls (tip, commit to one hour session, pay imaginary extras, pay 100 euros for 30 minutes) there will be no improvement.
At least you're not wasting your money. There are a lot of places where the girls deserve more your money and are more respectful than in Sharks.
As long as the customers will agree to every conditions set by the girls (tip, commit to one hour session, pay imaginary extras, pay 100 euros for 30 minutes) there will be no improvement.I'll admit to the 1 hour commitment but 1 hour is my style anyway. I can only go with opti-fucks for 30 mins. If the service is good, I almost always want 1 hour, enjoying a longer BJ and some heavy petting time.
Na-uzo-billah! So where do you think all the best girls have gone?That is what I am wondering. I wander in search of them. Some workers have shifted to Austria and Spain but that could be normal turnover. It is more a question of club and girl business culture than a few "top" girls. Some ((very few?) however have definitely retired rather than register. As long as I have a few old regulars then that is a start, then I just need a few who kiss and come and all is well.
My most recent kiss and come girls were astonishingly at Dietzenbach but one of them has stopped working and it is too far for me in her absence. I have been invited to visit her at home in Romania but that gets too complicated for me: or maybe I just lack the adventurous spirit (and euros)
Cheers.
BB69. I have boycotted Sharks for the reasons you suggest. I am expecting the club to fold any day now LOL.
Other clubs have given me the service I want more easily than I found at Sharks.
Cheers.
BigBuddy69
03-13-18, 21:13
You should try bahama one day. And I'm sure you'll find an honest girl to your tastes in LR.
ExpatLover
03-13-18, 21:15
BB69. I have boycotted Sharks for the reasons you suggest. I am expecting the club to fold any day now LOL.
Other clubs have given me the service I want more easily than I found at Sharks.
Cheers.Fully online with you personally I have also stopped to visit this club, good for tourist ready to pay high prices but not for local mongers anymore but so many other places available with great girls, and far better service. In Shark to find a girls ready to be fingered without condom with no extra is more or less impossible but possible in other places and the girls even are happy for it. The management lost completely the control of the girls but nobody will care about it as long the business is good but look what happen to World or is starting to happen to Oase or Palace.
ExpatLover
03-13-18, 21:18
At least you're not wasting your money. There are a lot of places where the girls deserve more your money and are more respectful than in Sharks.
As long as the customers will agree to every conditions set by the girls (tip, commit to one hour session, pay imaginary extras, pay 100 euros for 30 minutes) there will be no improvement.We all just have to boycott this club it is already what I am doing, if many are doing this believe me the things will change.
Polyamorist.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?788-Madrid&p=2151124&viewfull=1#post2151124 is a great report from ex FKK regular Cane, who seems to have a taste of the promised land in Madrid.
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At least you're not wasting your money. There are a lot of places where the girls deserve more your money and are more respectful than in Sharks.
As long as the customers will agree to every conditions set by the girls (tip, commit to one hour session, pay imaginary extras, pay 100 euros for 30 minutes) there will be no improvement.For my 2017 visits, lack of beauties for me at Sharks, but Lora. Hu, Corina. Hu, Florentina, Aylin, were honest. Only Madi2 did upsell, but she didn't force me to go with her, only her charm attracted me.
Hello everyone,
I plan on visiting to the promise Land once again! I will be partaking three days in Frankfurt area and the rest in NRW. If anyone had advice on the days in NRW please let me know. I've looked up weather and it's not summer yet but I am hoping some clubs like GT will have more girls. Based on everything in this form I know kibeups will vary but generally some days are better than others. I am not sure how Monday and Tuesdays are in the NRW.
Saturday Sharks.
Sunday. Palace if Roxanna is available or Sharks if the lineup was high caliber or Oase.
Monday. Golden Time.
Tuesday. YinYang.
Wednesday. Golden Time / LR.
Thursday Living Room / GT.
Friday Aca Velbret.
Saturday Sharks.
Tuesday late pm / evening.
- which will be best lineup GT, YY, 6 sens?
I know not the best night to go!GT for casting. Closed at 1 am.
Same close for 2 others.
Polyamorist
03-14-18, 12:44
I hope that doesn't mean Sharks is done for. For the first time, I had a hard time with real kissing on my last trip. Even for 1 HR rooms.
Boycotting specific girls, sure. But boycotting a club entirely? It may work eventually, but it's hardly easy. If boycotting, you better be in it for the long haul. Oase is just now improving after 2+ years of boycotting by the locals. As a fly in monger, is it really worth it for me to get behind such efforts?
As a fly-in monger you have a lot more choice than the locals. "Soar like an eagle beyond skies of heavens reach! As wings of dreams dance with winds of reality. " -- Shah Rizvi.
For any guys who are not lucky enough to live in a hidden Arab kingdom where virgins are as numerous as palms in the jannah, I was wondering: why aren't you in Switzerland? It sounds like the Hessen bears end up paying 100 EUR anyway, so not much price difference. (Optimist, I've already tried Spain and have no respect for that scene.).
BigBuddy69
03-14-18, 12:59
Finca Erotica is one hour drive from Hessen, Bahama is maybe 20 minutes from Frankfurt and bears still gather in Sharks / Oase / Upsell-land, go figure.
Switzerland is WAY TOO expensive for me, I'm not going to save my money and eat vegetables during one month to have only one afternoon of fun. And I'm pretty sure you get the same experience than in Germany but for three times the price. The customers are responsible for the downfall of the Hessen scene, normally when you get fucked in the ass everytime you go to a place, you stop coming unless you like it deep.
Finca Erotica is one hour drive from Hessen, Bahama is maybe 20 minutes from Frankfurt and bears still gather in Sharks / Oase / Upsell-land, go figure.
Switzerland is WAY TOO expensive for me, I'm not going to save my money and eat vegetables during one month to have only one afternoon of fun. And I'm pretty sure you get the same experience than in Germany but for three times the price. The customers are responsible for the downfall of the Hessen scene, normally when you get fucked in the ass everytime you go to a place, you stop coming unless you like it deep.You can find club rate girls at Sharks and even Oase at the moment, and at least you can have few pretty girls at Oase, compare to LR with so average casting since Christmas. I don t see a Lora. Hu at LR, always smiling when You have enthusiastic sex with her for 30 full minutes for only 50 €. Oase is improving for girls, unfortunately not LR who becomes GND land.
Entry can be 50 at Oase or Sharks, with better foods than LR for 60. Better to know the reality. But LR worth for free beer in bottle and friendly staff. Many beer brands.
Switzerland is not always much more expensive, can have high level sex at Swiss Dietikon for 89 CHF = 83 € , where I had nearly 40 mn, high GFE rooms.
Always better to open eyes and mind, to be able to look around.
Indeed, so everybody STOP paying 100 euro in sharks / oase! No excuses! I am leaning towards more Austria this year and less Germany due to this recent upsell uptick in Germany and hessen especially. If the girls go silly, I will speak with my wallet and close it far more often!
NRW is slightly better although facilities there are not as good. Maybe except YY and Oceans facilities to some degree.
BigBuddy69
03-14-18, 20:12
You're totally right, facilities have nothing in common. The thing is: I don't give a fuck about the garden, the sauna and whatever. I come there to have good sex, if I want to swim there's a swimming pool 10 km from my place. The only thing that matters to me is the food, but it's not enough to make me avoid a club or go in another. I even eat the food at velbert!
HeyyyyyyPaul
03-15-18, 01:24
Polyamorist.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?788-Madrid&p=2151124&viewfull=1#post2151124 is a great report from ex FKK regular Cane, who seems to have a taste of the promised land in Madrid.
Report 3069Speaking of Russian / Belarus girls. Why arent there any in FKKs?
Is it visa issues. And if so, how are there so many working russians in madrid.
Speaking of Russian / Belarus girls. Why arent there any in FKKs?
Is it visa issues. And if so, how are there so many working russians in madrid.Few Russians or Latvians in Germany, but top Russian beauties are escorting for more expensive. 2 real beauties at the moment in Paris for me. With ski Worldcup finals in R. Sw on this week end, it should be a Russian week end, maybe no FKK since long time.
Even at Globe Zurich for 280 CHF / h, not many Russian girls.
Speaking of Russian / Belarus girls. Why arent there any in FKKs?
Is it visa issues. And if so, how are there so many working russians in madrid.It is tax issues. But I also wonder how we still have some African girls and the rare Latino girl. It should be the same issues for them.
Indeed, so everybody STOP paying 100 euro in sharks / oase! No excuses! I am leaning towards more Austria this year and less Germany due to this recent upsell uptick in Germany and hessen especially. If the girls go silly, I will speak with my wallet and close it far more often!
NRW is slightly better although facilities there are not as good. Maybe except YY and Oceans facilities to some degree.Am I allowed to pay 100 Euro / hour?
Finca Erotica is one hour drive from Hessen, Bahama is maybe 20 minutes from Frankfurt and bears still gather in Sharks / Oase / Upsell-land, go figure.
.Because I can always go to Oase and Sharks and still find 3 good rooms. I cannot say that I would always find 3 girls that I would want at Finca. Never been to Bahama. Some guys start with Service level first and optics second. I say find the good optics then weed out the bad service or upsellers. If I wanted to fuck 7's, I could get there for free at home.
BigBuddy69
03-15-18, 07:09
If you know enough girls in those clubs who will give you a good service without trying to fuck you with the price that's good for you. But for me the optics (at least in Sharks and World) are not so spectacular and the constant upselling or bitching about the price is WAY TOO annoying. As you said, the main advantage of Sharks is the big number of girls so it means that if you're really looking for one or two optic types you have more chance to find it in Sharks, the problem is what come after you found the girl.
For me the ratio (attractive girls for me)/(total number of girls) is quite the same in every club (ok maybe not in PSR and Aca Gold) but I like to be sure that when I find an attractive girl, the probabilities are good that she will give a good service without trying to fuck me or extort me more money.
As you said, the main advantage of Sharks is the big number of girls so it means that if you're really looking for one or two optic types you have more chance to find it in Sharks, the problem is what come after you found the girl.
I used to be shy / polite and not want to ask how the girls are in the room. Now I just say straight to them, "I don't like it when the girl just lays there like a doll. I don't like it when the girl does not want to kiss me. " If they ask for more money, then I just don't go. With that speech, I've only had one truly bad room, Lily at Sharks.
Am I allowed to pay 100 Euro / hour?Only allowed if you extend after 27 minutes if you still got your cock inside her after 20 minutes and feel in good shape. It happens, occasionally, just not too often. Agreements beforehand should not be allowed.
Pennywiseb
03-15-18, 13:55
Hi guys,
Need some advise for timings in Sharks and Oase. I have Friday, 4:00 pm - 8:00 pm and Saturday, 11:00 am - 03:00 pm. And I'm trying to decide which club can I put to the Friday and which to the Saturday if I want to get acceptable ratio and at the same time with possibility to relax. I mean don't meet large crowds or loud music everywhere.
It will be my first experience in these clubs, so, thanks for any advice.
Hi guys,
Need some advise for timings in Sharks and Oase. I have Friday, 4:00 pm - 8:00 pm and Saturday, 11:00 am - 03:00 pm. And I'm trying to decide which club can I put to the Friday and which to the Saturday if I want to get acceptable ratio and at the same time with possibility to relax. I mean don't meet large crowds or loud music everywhere.
It will be my first experience in these clubs, so, thanks for any advice.Oase Friday and Sharks Saturday. Oase is not too busy between 4 pm and 8 pm on Friday. On Saturday morning, and most other mornings, Oase does not have enough girls. Sharks has a few more in the morning time.
Only allowed if you extend after 27 minutes if you still got your cock inside her after 20 minutes and feel in good shape. It happens, occasionally, just not too often. Agreements beforehand should not be allowed.Meh, I'll let you guys fight the half hour fight. I'll just fight the club rate fight.
For me, I'll go with the full hour test drive with a new girl. On subsequent rooms, my regulars do not resist too much if I elect for a half hour room.
For first time girls, I'll commit to the hour, no extras, and bail at the half hour if the service sucks. They might get angry but I have no problem telling someone whose 1 hour service sucks that I no longer want the hour because I am not having a good time. No problem going back on my word if they promise good service and do not deliver. I did that with Lily at Sharks on our first room and Athena on our second room. I raised hell with Lily but Athena completely understood when I explained to her why I no longer wanted the full hour.
ExpatLover
03-15-18, 22:11
Speaking of Russian / Belarus girls. Why arent there any in FKKs?
Is it visa issues. And if so, how are there so many working russians in madrid.Working in a FKK is not so easy, it is more relax to be escort or to work in apartment, also many girls don t want to be fucked 10 or 20 times per day. Only few girls accept that conditions and 95% are from Romania, 10 years back many girls from Poland, Hungary but today they don t need any more to be in a FKK.
UltraHappy
03-16-18, 01:33
I used to be shy / polite and not want to ask how the girls are in the room. Now I just say straight to them, "I don't like it when the girl just lays there like a doll. I don't like it when the girl does not want to kiss me. " If they ask for more money, then I just don't go. With that speech, I've only had one truly bad room, Lily at Sharks.Sometimes better to specify what you like, rather than what you don't like.
Positive approach versus negative approach.
Just another approach to consider.
Sometimes better to specify what you like, rather than what you don't like.
Positive approach versus negative approach.
Just another approach to consider.You're right but you can't take ALL of the fun out of it😀
You have to give the girl a little room to work the creative process or else all rooms will be the same.
Rogue Nation
03-16-18, 08:14
It is tax issues. But I also wonder how we still have some African girls and the rare Latino girl. It should be the same issues for them.It is not tax issues why non EU girls are not working in Germany. It is visa issues.
ExpatLover
03-16-18, 23:21
It is not tax issues why non EU girls are not working in Germany. It is visa issues.Yes but not only many are doing escort.
It is not tax issues why non EU girls are not working in Germany. It is visa issues.
Speaking of Russian / Belarus girls. Why arent there any in FKKs?
Is it visa issues. And if so, how are there so many working russians in madrid.
It is tax issues. But I also wonder how we still have some African girls and the rare Latino girl. It should be the same issues for them.Probably Visa and money.
First, I think the cost of living is Russia is higher than in Romania, West African countries, and many Latin countries. Traveling to a foreign country for 50euro/ half hour probably does not sound as attractive.
Second, from what I understand, lots of Russians work in Dubai where they get Visas on arrival and command a 200+ euro / HR rate.
Is it easier to illegally immigrate and stay in Spain? Then do some make their way to Germany via Spain?
If illegal immigration does happen more often through Spain, perhaps that is why you also see more Africans and Latinas. They go through Spain because of proximity to Africa and having the same language as Latin countries.
Pure speculation on my part.
Probably Visa and money. From what I understand, lots of Russians work in Dubai where they get Visas on arrival and command a 300 euro / HR rate.Some top Russian escorts back in Paris. Since long time, except for my holidays, no German but Russian week end. Today, I had Elena from stroll.xxx , really looking like Maria Sharapova, and what a sensitive GF, Russian fire.
It is not tax issues why non EU girls are not working in Germany. It is visa issues.Latvian Ina worked for years for tours in Germany, maybe with touristic visa?
Also Russians Dasha and Tatiana / Ilona who work since years.
But if Ina worked for 25€ for half hour, after first half hour for 50, when she was at GT, pretty Russian girls don't work in brothels.
Real beauties work in Paris for 250/ h, or Dubai for 300 USD / h, but 50% for agency, so only 125/ h for the girl. If You book Elena Maria Sharapova for 3 hours, you will pay 550 , with only 300 for the girl, same rate than in brothels, even less than Hamburg or Artemis or Austria or Switzerland, but not same level of job, escort in hotel or apartment, versus brothels.
ExpatLover
03-17-18, 21:55
Latvian Ina worked for years for tours in Germany, maybe with touristic visa?
Also Russians Dasha and Tatiana / Ilona who work since years.
But if Ina worked for 25 for half hour, after first half hour for 50, when she was at GT, pretty Russian girls don't work in brothels.
Real beauties work in Paris for 250/ h, or Dubai for 300 USD / h, but 50% for agency, so only 125/ h for the girl. If You book Elena Maria Sharapova for 3 hours, you will pay 550 , with only 300 for the girl, same rate than in brothels, even less than Hamburg or Artemis or Austria or Switzerland, but not same level of job, escort in hotel or apartment, versus brothels.Sorry but Latia belongs to Schengen area so no need of visa.
Directions to Wellcum indicate: "At the exit, turn right towards Arnoldstein.
After 800 meters you will pass the restaurant Wanker."
Should satisfy all British wankers.
Vito Corleone
03-21-18, 07:41
Directions to Wellcum indicate: "At the exit, turn right towards Arnoldstein.
After 800 meters you will pass the restaurant Wanker."
Should satisfy all British wankers.Wanking should receive a free meal! Not sure about the house special sauce!
Directions to Wellcum indicate: "At the exit, turn right towards Arnoldstein.
After 800 meters you will pass the restaurant Wanker."
Should satisfy all British wankers.Is it just a restaurant? It says Rasthaus Wanker on the sign. I thought they also had rooms for rent then, but perhaps I am wrong. As if the wankers stay here, while the fuckers go all the way inside the narrow sideway. LOL.
Latvian Ina worked for years for tours in Germany, maybe with touristic visa?
Also Russians Dasha and Tatiana / Ilona who work since years.
Latvian Ina is EU citizen if she's from Latvia.
Others probably have EU passports if they say they're Russian or so. Don't confuse ethnicity of someone with what passports they have.
Latvian Ina is EU citizen if she's from Latvia.
Others probably have EU passports if they say they're Russian or so. Don't confuse ethnicity of someone with what passports they have.So you are saying Tatiana for example made up all the stories about trips back to Moscow? So all the ethnic Russians are German citizens? Plausible, but just barely.
How about the Africans or the Latino's? Same story there? I do know some of the Asian girls we find in FKK's have German passports or some local guy. At least except one. Doesn't student visa allow them to work also? It was probably discussed before.
All I'm saying is that they are EU citizens (or at the very least have work permit in Germany meaning they are married to a local). I don't do any predictions as to what that means in terms of travelling to other locations or their birthplaces etc.
So you are saying Tatiana for example made up all the stories about trips back to Moscow? So all the ethnic Russians are German citizens? Plausible, but just barely.
How about the Africans or the Latino's? Same story there? I do know some of the Asian girls we find in FKK's have German passports or some local guy. At least except one. Doesn't student visa allow them to work also? It was probably discussed before.
How about the Africans or the Latino's? Same story there? I do know some of the Asian girls we find in FKK's have German passports or some local guy. At least except one. Doesn't student visa allow them to work also?No it doesn't, at least not in prostitution. I'm not even sure that being married to a local guy without having acquired EU citizenship is enough. I remember a girl from Brazil who had just been married to a German guy. On her passport or work permit I remember seeing a stamp that said "self-employment not allowed" ("Selbstaendigkeit nicht gestattet"). Why would working under contract for an employer be ok while being self-employed was prohibited? I speculated this might be to prevent work in prostitution. This was in Bavaria and I'm not sure the same restriction was imposed in other States.
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