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I will be in Frankfurt on Sunday March 25 and I plan on spending most of the day at one of the FKKs starting around 1:00 pm. Which one would be my best bet on a Sunday afternoon? Should I stay away from Sharks due to the discounted rate? I don't want a sausage fest. It would also be nice if there was a hotel nearby within walking distance.I will be also in sharks on Sunday March 25th. At 5 pm to 9 pm. Want to meet and have a drink? I will be the one in the grey robe short hair. Chubby. Glasses. German- not sure how we can ping each other?
ExpatLover
03-24-18, 21:11
So you are saying Tatiana for example made up all the stories about trips back to Moscow? So all the ethnic Russians are German citizens? Plausible, but just barely.
How about the Africans or the Latino's? Same story there? I do know some of the Asian girls we find in FKK's have German passports or some local guy. At least except one. Doesn't student visa allow them to work also? It was probably discussed before.Very few Asian girls in all the FKK and all of them are old, I am living since 15 in Asia so getting some experiences and I never a young and fresh Asia girl in a FKK.
Clubs in NRW are Sauna Clubs without the FKK label. Technically, only FKKs require girls to be nude. That's why you see the big difference.Babylon is an FKK club. All the girls are naked, with only foot wear.
This will be my first time to an FKK but I have 3 days to enjoy them. I will be staying at the Savoy in Frankfurt and plan to spend full days at the clubs I choose. I come in around 11:00 on a Thurs night and leave around 8:00 PM on Sunday. I am going to head to Palace right after check in at my hotel for some late night fun. I am very much into the GFE experience, without it I can have a hard time cumming. Are there any FKK's that specialize in GFE or is it just hit and miss depending on the girls? I see these as the main clubs near Frankfurt:
Palace.
Oase.
Mainhatten.
Sharks.
Are there others I should be thinking about?
Should I give any of these a miss. I'm reading some negative stuff about Sharks.
I know there are a lot of smaller clubs around, are these better for GFE?
Instead of spending the entire day at one club, is it better to hit 1 club early then go to another for the second half of the day for more variety.
Looking for tips from you more experienced FKK regulars.
Thanks!
Babylon is an FKK club. All the girls are naked, with only foot wear.He's right. This is one of the few true FKKs in NRW. I'm still waiting to see if someone could report a recent review of this place. They've remodeled since my last visit in October 2017. I wonder if there are some decent looking women and if the new Wellness building makes it worth re-visiting.
No it doesn't, at least not in prostitution. I'm not even sure that being married to a local guy without having acquired EU citizenship is enough. I remember a girl from Brazil who had just been married to a German guy. On her passport or work permit I remember seeing a stamp that said "self-employment not allowed" ("Selbstaendigkeit nicht gestattet"). Why would working under contract for an employer be ok while being self-employed was prohibited? I speculated this might be to prevent work in prostitution. This was in Bavaria and I'm not sure the same restriction was imposed in other States.Being an immigrant worker myself, I'm confident that the restriction on self employment has to do with compliance to income and social tax compliance. The laws are quite complex as a foreigner first starting out. Even with a company fronting for me I have been entangled with the tax authorities for various reasons. An additional consequence is the impact on prostitution. I'm sure in the forethought to the laes and visas there was serious thought concerning the impact on certain professions. This forethought is evident in the new registration laws. The ladies are required to have an address. Most landlords require the lessee to have a contracted employment for a fixed period of time. This is not possible for women in this business without violating other laws. I feel it's more complicated now than ever and I appreciate all the women who are taking the necessary steps to work in the business.
Babylon is an FKK club. All the girls are naked, with only foot wear.Also Bernds in NRW, even average looks.
Vito Corleone
03-25-18, 22:40
This will be my first time to an FKK but I have 3 days to enjoy them. I will be staying at the Savoy in Frankfurt and plan to spend full days at the clubs I choose. I come in around 11:00 on a Thurs night and leave around 8:00 PM on Sunday. I am going to head to Palace right after check in at my hotel for some late night fun. I am very much into the GFE experience, without it I can have a hard time cumming. Are there any FKK's that specialize in GFE or is it just hit and miss depending on the girls? I see these as the main clubs near Frankfurt:
Palace.
Oase.
Mainhatten.
Sharks.Good luck trying to find GFE at Palace without grossly over paying!
Good luck trying to find GFE at Palace without grossly over paying!It is possible. Overheard a girl there once who said she was tired of the job and was looking for one guy. Almost sounded like she was contemplating dating one of the visitors there. And I know one girl who has been there for years who is quite the GFE. Plus 3 others who since have left.
Good luck trying to find GFE at Palace without grossly over paying!Is GFE better at the others? If not, are there other FKK's that are better for GFE?
I read several pages back about a lawsuit against the new sex law that entered the courts recently. Do you think they will succeed?
Is GFE better at the others? If not, are there other FKK's that are better for GFE?In my experience GFE includes bad moods, tantrums, tears, and all the things which along with more positive things, are part of a relationship with a girlfriend. As such, GFE depends very much on personal chemistry and can be found in any club. Being single, a repeat visitor, doing repeat sessions, and being reasonably presentable will help.
If you just mean DFK then there is no magic club. Palace, Oase, and now Sharks, are said by many to be hard for DFK, but many members have no problem at the latter two clubs.
I read several pages back about a lawsuit against the new sex law that entered the courts recently. Do you think they will succeed?I keep looking for information but can find no informed opinion in German forums. The whole issue of the new law currently has a very low profile in German media, thankfully. I guess we just have to wait.
In my experience GFE includes bad moods, tantrums, tears, and all the things which along with more positive things, are part of a relationship with a girlfriend. As such, GFE depends very much on personal chemistry and can be found in any club. Being single, a repeat visitor, doing repeat sessions, and being reasonably presentable will help.
If you just mean DFK then there is no magic club. Palace, Oase, and now Sharks, are said by many to be hard for DFK, but many members have no problem at the latter two clubs.Yeah, DFK and just not so mechanical. I can't stand a girl who feels like she is just going through the motions.
Hopefully I will find some good ones. If not, I will just go for hot LOL.
I haven't been in the area for a while, was wondering the best club with MILFS. They always find them very interesting. Any suggestions?
ElephantBeer
03-30-18, 16:52
Is GFE better at the others? If not, are there other FKK's that are better for GFE?I live in asia where GFE is still (somewhat) easy to come by. To me it means they play the part of you're girlfriend. Maybe you have sex, watch a movie, make some dinner and in the morning you swim in the pool, more sex and she's in no hurry to go. Years ago it often meant you'd wake up and she would have cleaned your room, folded your clothes etc (this is vanishing fast).
Not sure how GFE relates to FKK, I've done several hundred FKK girls in the past few years and while some are nicer to me than others, it's not really GFE as we're limited to half hour or hour. I DO remember the really kind ones, is that what you mean? Most of them are a bit mechanical, like being dropped into a porn movie. Not a bad thing. A very few are just downright scammers or seething with hate under their skin, not much you can do except escape as quickly as possible.
The few times I've repeated with a single girl (several times over several visits) and they start to open up. It's a horror show. How they hate this kind of man, or that kind of man, or all men. Crying with stories of bad lives or impossible situations. False arrogance putting themselves above the punters, stories about how they laugh at this man for his small dick or that one for his bad smell etc. The last girl I did this with in NWR I didn't even get to fuck her. She droned on for 30 min and I just lost all my appetite for her as she was so full of vitriol. I've learned to just keep things pleasant, offer a little humor but not try to get into the GF / BF zone. YMMV.
ElephantBeer
03-30-18, 16:59
Think I posted on this last year in another board, but got limited (ER. No) response.
Heading back to Germany in two weeks for a 3 month jaunt and still my bucket-list has 'glory hole' unchecked (so sad). Ha.
From what I gather some FKK might have a glory-hole-room you can take the girls to? Or some of the kino may have holes in some of the cubical. I haven't seen this first hand anyplace. I don't think places like Dr. Muller (FRA) has them (not that I've seen any girls around there when I go anyway).
I've tried a few smaller brothels in Baden-Baden and NWR that advertise glory holes on their site. But when I arrive, there are none or the site is out-dated.
Sure, I can do the cinema thing in the FKK, but again. A small fetish I want to try while still on planet earth. Anyone know of any GH in Germany, EU?
Thanks!
Vito Corleone
03-31-18, 03:47
Think I posted on this last year in another board, but got limited (ER. No) response.
Heading back to Germany in two weeks for a 3 month jaunt and still my bucket-list has 'glory hole' unchecked (so sad). Ha.
From what I gather some FKK might have a glory-hole-room you can take the girls to? Or some of the kino may have holes in some of the cubical. I haven't seen this first hand anyplace. I don't think places like Dr. Muller (FRA) has them (not that I've seen any girls around there when I go anyway).
I've tried a few smaller brothels in Baden-Baden and NWR that advertise glory holes on their site. But when I arrive, there are none or the site is out-dated.
Sure, I can do the cinema thing in the FKK, but again. A small fetish I want to try while still on planet earth. Anyone know of any GH in Germany, EU?
Thanks!Couple years ago a local I met in a small club mentioned there's a place in Koblenz that has a glory hole.
I live in asia where GFE is still (somewhat) easy to come by. To me it means they play the part of you're girlfriend. Maybe you have sex, watch a movie, make some dinner and in the morning you swim in the pool, more sex and she's in no hurry to go. Years ago it often meant you'd wake up and she would have cleaned your room, folded your clothes etc (this is vanishing fast).
Not sure how GFE relates to FKKI don't think GFE in a FKK can be compared to what you experienced in Asia. Even in Asia the stories of meeting a woman in a bar or shop who then helps you find a place to stay, acts as tour guide, translator, cook, maid and bed warmer are less common than 20 years ago.
For me, a GFE is when the lady can make you forget about the fact this is a business transaction. The service is more sensual and less mechanical. Maybe she gets to know some of your ticks and can really crank up your desires. For me, risks associated with GFE are the experiences become routine and she wants to tell stories about clients or that the gas company will only connect gas at her house once a year and she needs €3000 to pay them.
MarquisdeSade1
03-31-18, 20:29
Does anyone know of a place that gives nude massages, I was just in Mexico and had some awesome massages she did the ass cheeks, balls, taint, butthole and ass crack every part of the body with oil, sans the cock.
Wanted to know if there are any places in Frankfurt, Dusseldorf Koln or Hamburg?
Danke schon!
MarquisdeSade1
03-31-18, 20:34
Glamour Erotic Massage (Friedensstraße walking distance from Frankfurt HBF).
Velvet Erotic Massage (Bleidenstraße right at Hauptwach).
Nang Nuan Massage (on Hohenstrasse).
Kaskade.
Secret Service.
City Relax (near Central Station).
Pam's Massage.
My Bliss Massage.
Sabaidee Thai Massage.
Chiang Mai.
Glamour Erotic Massage (Friedensstrae walking distance from Frankfurt HBF).
Velvet Erotic Massage (Bleidenstrae right at Hauptwach).
Nang Nuan Massage (on Hohenstrasse).
Kaskade.
Secret Service.
City Relax (near Central Station).
Pam's Massage.
My Bliss Massage.
Sabaidee Thai Massage.
Chiang Mai.Try: 6 m-massagen. De 2 location in Koln. If you want to pass on a particular service, just let the masseuse know before you start.
MarquisdeSade1
04-02-18, 07:12
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/04/01/watch-50-armed-migrants-go-rampage-german-city/
TankTank123
04-02-18, 07:40
Marquis de Sade,
Velvet, Kaskade, Pam's, Secret Service and City Relax are all good. I have not tried the rest.
As for the Thai ones, I do not think Sabaidee or Chiang Mai provide nude massages. For nude Thai massage, go to Orchidee at Carl Benz Strasse, not far from Mainhatten.
The next time you are in Oase, try the MILF Thai Kim. She does this professionally in a shop when she is not in Oase, so she is very good. For a good optifuck when being oil-massaged, try the Romanian Kim (Claudia/Aida) - but she will try to upsell for this. (Thai Kim does not upsell, included in stahdard price).
HeyyyyyyPaul
04-02-18, 21:57
Wanted to post my recent roundup of reviews for this previous trip.
Sharks.
I've been to sharks the most out of all the clubs and I find that it is no longer a place for the best fuck, but a place to play the game with the professional sellers at this place. Sharks is essentially like going to a american strip club these days. But the eye candy factor is fantastic. Definitely better than even some of the tampa joints I've been to full of 19 and 22 year olds as Sharks girls are just way more feminine. More importantly, out of 80+ girls, the ugly factor is incredibly low. Enjoy the optics, but I will fuck elsewhere.
Looks like entrance for girls are now 110 e on wednesdays. I have to wonder out of the 80 or so girls there everyday, how many don't even make their entry fee back most days.
Male clientele looked to be 1/3 Asian on different days that I was there. Mostly completely different people.
Also some math for the curious: Let's assume 80 girls paying 110 e, and 350 mongers on a Wednesday at 50 e. Roughly 8800+17500.26,000 e in revenue (plus any alcohol sales). Not bad for a warehouse in darmstadt.
Anyway, a total of 7 came over for the sale. 6 tit squeezes. 4 rub outside of pussy. 2 full finger insertions. 3 tongue kisses.
No sessions.
Oh, the massage from the male masseuse was pretty good, better than the thai woman.
Overall lineup optics: 9/10.
Dietz.
This place was the busiest of all the places I went. All girls had multiple sessions Even ones I would not get paid to do had multiple rooms. Ended up going with nico as she kept smiling at me while she was making out with various guys at her spot. Decent connection with alot of DFK and playfulness but reluctant CIM. Condoms readily available in rooms, FYI. The lineup overall was way too gypsy looking for me.
The thing about Dietz is the busiest girls getting creampied, then immediately going with the next dude in line with nothing more than a cursory wipe down there. Does anyone DATY at Dietz?
I am sure all the AO club girls are like this, but there isn't even the illusion that they go to get 'cleaned up' in the toilet like they do at VV and grimberg.
Was pretty funny seeing several guys getting shot down by the prettiest girl (and probably youngest) there when they went up to her asking for a session while she was doing her hair with her hair straightener.
Overall lineup optics: 6/10.
Babylon.
Still my favorite club. All the times I've been here, it has been all local Germans all the time. New renovation looks solid and very nice and new. Lineup has over 20 girls even on a routine Tuesday.
No real young ones but outside the room performances still happen. Saw a dude getting sucked off in the sauna area before going to the room.
Never received anything less than sustained DFK with all the girls I've tried here. Well trained and decent lineup turnover.
The short owner guy with glasses even made some comment to a girl that was trying to tie a robe that it is "too hot for robes". Good management.
Overall lineup optics: 7. 5/10.
LR.
So first off, my theory about LR is that there is a certain "class" about the woman here. 90% of them carry themselves a certain way. "real woman behavior", if you will. At most other clubs, maybe 30% of the women will act this way, whereas nearly everyone at LR carries themselves like this.
Anyway, so I have not been to LR since my very first trip to FKKs a few years back. I stayed there 2 hours then seeing nothing interesting and left.
This time, I spent most of the day there trying to see what I was missing out on. Lineup was pretty ordinary (mix of 8+s, some 7's, etc) but then I observed how many of these women carried themselves. Most walked / strutted very well in their heels; even the younger ones. Very mature place, for the most part. That maturity also contributes to making most of them seem older than they probably are. But very courteous group of women and generally was not negative when I turned down a session.
Sort of like the $3 k a night escort that you take out, only these cost 100 e an hour. This place provides an excellent illusion that one is fucking a classy lady. Just short of being stuck up, in my opinion, and that's obviously a good thing.
A unique place and atmosphere, no doubt, but seeing as I like much less serious places like babylon or more playful like sharks, probably won't be coming back to LR anytime soon.
Surprised to see they let black guys in there as well as indians. Thought they had the same no colored policy like in GT.
Overall lineup optics: 8/10 The platinum blonde Romanian girl (Luana?) that leaves early was definitely the best face I saw at any of the clubs, even sharks.
VV.
Do not get this place confused with FKK Venus that is also in the area.
Solid, solid place. Goes into my top 5 clubs.
The prettiest girl (a legit 8 face) was probably the one sitting in front directly across from the cashier. Got to respect the discipline for her to make out like lost lovers with really old guys and young (er) ones alike. For the hottest girl at that place to do that requires sucking it up and it looked like the most enthusiastic DFK out of all the girls as well.
Lines formed for the most popular girl, dark skinned, long haired girl that greeted each customer with a huge smile like they were her very first customer.
I went with the small andrea chick. Gypsy face and not much enthusiasm but like all girls at this place, solid preview DFK and no problems with soft tongue fighting throughout the session. Mechanical sex but took directions well and a lovable submissive attitude.
This place doesn't even pretend about condoms like dietzenbach which had condoms in every room. When I asked for condom, she took 3 minutes to go get one. Will bring my own sagamis the next time I come here.
Overall lineup optics: 6. 5/10.
Samya.
I come here for the nightclub atmosphere and it doesn't disappoint. Strong Bulgarian contingent here makes for a much more interesting lineup than those with all gypsy faces. The best club food to me out of all of them. Tasty doner meat and those guys actually know how to flavor things.
Overall lineup optics: 7/10.
Grimberg.
This place is grim as fuck. Horrible lighting originally made the girls here look pretty good, but upon closer inspection. Ugh.
Compared to the girls at VV, they were pretty undisciplined here but I still did not see any rejections in over 20 rooms.
Lineup looks on par with Dietz.
Overall lineup optics: 5. 5/10.
Missed World this time based on how bad last summer's trip there was. Will try again on next trip and hope it gets better.
Updated My favorite club rankings:
1. Babylon. Despite it being a 'local' place, the most comfortable FKK for me and management keeps everyone in line.
2. Sharks. Really relaxing place for me.
3. Samya. Not a great place to fuck, but have to be here on Saturday nights.
4. VV. About the only place I see where it's not the girls calling the shots, but management.
5. World. Used to be #1.
6. Mondial. Loved the atmosphere on Friday nights.
7. Oase. As much flak as this place gets, still a very relaxing club.
8. Living Room. Intimate place, liked the food to order at lunch time as well.
9. GT.
10. Acapulco Gold.
11. Palace.
12. SixSens.
13. Mainhatten
14. Dietz
15. Grimberg
ElephantBeer
04-03-18, 04:42
Sharks.
... but I will fuck elsewhere.Agree, love to sit by the pool and watch the flesh, but the action has always been mechanical. Still like to go, but it's just a mental-warm up.
Dietz.
This place was the busiest of all the places I went.Busy, really? Last few times I've been just a bunch of couch-potatoes, but the LU was really horrible. So. Looking forward to my visit in a few weeks! I still love this club, as it was my first in Germany.
The girls do shower between customers, at least they should. They normally disappear upstairs for a bit and come down. I've eaten pussy here sometimes, I just tend to stick to the clit.
Babylon.
No real young ones but outside the room performances still happen.I've not been here yet, is this an AO club, or is the action 100% covered?
VV.
Do not get this place confused with FKK Venus that is also in the area.
Solid, solid place. Goes into my top 5 clubs.Your talking Villa Venus. Yeah? The AO place? Hrm, surprised you like this more then Grimberg. Normally if limited time. I've been hitting Grim. Girls are average but friendly (girl next door). Always had mixed luck at Venus. Will give it another go on your recommendation.
If I have to use a rubber I use the Sagami as well. Expensive but can get them on ebay. The 001's are great (but they don't make a large size. Their regular size about strangles my junk. The Sagami original (002 I think) fit better. But again, if I have to use a condom the battle is already lost. Take Prep!
Grimberg.
This place is grim as fuck. Horrible lighting originally made the girls here look pretty good, but upon closer inspection. Ugh.I like this little house, as you say. The girls don't refuse customers. It's never that crowded, the girls aren't great lookers but overall good performers. No rush, no pressure. When the back deck is open I enjoy taking a nap between sessions. Always 2nd on my list after Dietz.
7. Oase. As much flak as this place gets, still a very relaxing club.Love to sit outside and watch the pool action and get drinks. Have been 7+ times and think I've only sessioned 4 or 5 girls. I still keep coming back, no idea why. Always mercenary and clockwork mechanical performances (and covered).
13. MainhattenTerrible time here, I made mistake of asking a few gals for bareback, they about chased me out of the club with a broom. LOL.
Awesome report. You really got around!
Rogue Nation
04-03-18, 07:48
Sharks.
I've been to sharks the most out of all the clubs and I find that it is no longer a place for the best fuck, but a place to play the game with the professional sellers at this place. Sharks is essentially like going to a american strip club these days. That is what I said. Not any better service level than Oase if you are not a newbie.
At EB: Babylon is not an AO club. AO is illegal BTW.
The report about VV is Villa Vertigo, not Villa Venus.
MarquisdeSade1
04-03-18, 10:08
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/04/germany-1-dead-and-17-injured-after-syrian-refugee-sets-building-alight-and-blocks-the-exit/
HeyyyyPaul.
Thanks for the update on your visits.
You are my hero for how you got the best out of Sharks :) Although I am astonished you did finger insertions and didn't have to do a session
Gypsy looks at Dietzenbach: you are right. Each to his taste. Suits me fine LOL. I like life amongst the wheeler dealer outsiders and chancers. Definitely not the same class as at LR. DATY at Dietzenbach? Every time. As you say condoms are laid out profusely.
Yes, general consensus is that Villa Venus is on a roll at the moment.Signs at Venus do clearly say that condom use by clients is legally required. The girls carry condoms with them: I guess your girl forgot. Andrea is the smallest girl I ever met, and as you say, rather uninspired. And the toothiest blow job I have ever had. At this club I also found the loosest pussy ever in Alexia: maybe I need a bigger dick.The busy girl (Erika) has had customers in line for weeks and still as you say welcomes each enthusiastically. She must have done nearly 400 sessions in the last month: a real trooper. The club benefits from Barbara on reception as you say.
Thanks again.
Cheers
Rogue Nation
04-03-18, 16:51
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/04/germany-1-dead-and-17-injured-after-syrian-refugee-sets-building-alight-and-blocks-the-exit/Well I know of a FKK there. FKK Leipzig. Google it.
Yeah, you seem to be terrified of the Germans. There are others who wonder about the violence in your homecountry. Isn't it funny?
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/04/germany-1-dead-and-17-injured-after-syrian-refugee-sets-building-alight-and-blocks-the-exit/
HeyyyyyyPaul
04-04-18, 03:13
That is what I said. Not any better service level than Oase if you are not a newbie.
At EB: Babylon is not an AO club. AO is illegal BTW.
The report about VV is Villa Vertigo, not Villa Venus.No. I went to Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 17 the industrial area. It was Villa Venus.
HeyyyyyyPaul
04-04-18, 03:17
HeyyyyPaul.
Thanks for the update on your visits.
You are my hero for how you got the best out of Sharks :) Although I am astonished you did finger insertions and didn't have to do a session
Gypsy looks at Dietzenbach: you are right. Each to his taste. Suits me fine LOL. I like life amongst the wheeler dealer outsiders and chancers. Definitely not the same class as at LR. DATY at Dietzenbach? Every time. As you say condoms are laid out profusely.
Yes, general consensus is that Villa Venus is on a roll at the moment.Signs at Venus do clearly say that condom use by clients is legally required. The girls carry condoms with them: I guess your girl forgot. Andrea is the smallest girl I ever met, and as you say, rather uninspired. And the toothiest blow job I have ever had. At this club I also found the loosest pussy ever in Alexia: maybe I need a bigger dick.The busy girl (Erika) has had customers in line for weeks and still as you say welcomes each enthusiastically. She must have done nearly 400 sessions in the last month: a real trooper. The club benefits from Barbara on reception as you say.
Thanks again.
CheersThanks, to clarify, this was all upstairs on the side where there were places to rest. And of course, none of the ones that came up and allowed this stuff were any of the hotter girls.
HeyyyyyyPaul
04-04-18, 03:25
Agree, love to sit by the pool and watch the flesh, but the action has always been mechanical. Still like to go, but it's just a mental-warm up.
Busy, really? Last few times I've been just a bunch of couch-potatoes, but the LU was really horrible. So. Looking forward to my visit in a few weeks! I still love this club, as it was my first in Germany.
The girls do shower between customers, at least they should. They normally disappear upstairs for a bit and come down. I've eaten pussy here sometimes, I just tend to stick to the clit.Thanks, Babylon isn't a AO club, it's really just a local NRW club. And busy as in the sense that EVERY SINGLE girl there fucked multiple times in the 3 hours I was there in Dietz.
MarquisdeSade1
04-04-18, 05:21
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/far-views-going-mainstream-much-central-europe-131601911.html
Meanwhile in Bulgaria, which holds the EU's rotating presidency, the government includes a far-right alliance, the United Patriots, whose members have given Nazi salutes and slurred minorities. Deputy Prime Minister Valeri Simeonov has called the country's Roma minority "ferocious humanoids" whose women "have the instincts of street dogs."
Something tells me this guy has spent time in Sharks?
MarquisdeSade1
04-04-18, 08:43
Well I know of a FKK there. FKK Leipzig. Google it.https://www.fkk-leipzig.com/
Has anyone been here lately?
Furlaubing
04-04-18, 10:34
I've compiled this collection of information and tips for those interested in going to FKK clubs with their girlfriend or wife. I'm by no means an expert but have shared a number of experiences with my girlfriend (GF) over the past few years including a trip just recently. I plan on posting the recent reports, as well as our experiences in Amsterdam, in their respective threads but wanted first to present this overview. It isn't common for me to see couples at FKK's nor have I found much information on the topic, but it is mostly permitted and can be a great experience. I'm grateful to all the forum members who's reports informed me of both the existence of (special) FKK's and the possibilities of mongering as a couple. I hope this post further clarifies things for couples and individuals alike.
Which FKK's Allow Couples:
FKK sauna clubs are private clubs and each can have their own policy regarding female guests (FG). Calling in advance is helpful but it depends on who picks up the phone and if they understand the question. I find it best to ask "Can I bring my wife to the club? Last year I called many clubs and asked "Can I bring a female guest? I didn't realize that the translation for the girls working at the club is often; "female guest" so of course they said no. Using the term "girlfriend" can also be misleading as German has only slight differences between a girl that's a friend and a girlfriend, and unless you speak fluent German, it may be misinterpreted. The main rule in all the clubs is that the woman guest is not allowed to be in a room with any other male besides yourself.
While I believe most clubs allow (FG), our experience is that we don't know for sure until we've been there. Following is a list of FKK's that I have been to with my (GF). I have placed them in order of ones that we liked the best, clubs where we felt welcomed and ones that had a good selection of girls that were interested in a threesome. Of course this is often dependent upon timing and which or how many girls are there and available.
Mainhatten. Tourist crowd, friendly staff, lots of girls, always have fun, can be up-sells, food so-so.
Sakura. Quiet and relaxing, good service from most girls, apartment room with shower, food good.
World. Nice facilities, some great girls, some afraid of couples, some sharky, food average.
Oase. Big club, lots of girls, expect up-sells, mixed experiences, food varies.
Golden Time. Large local crowd, many girls occupied or not into couples, good service, food good.
Oceans. Dead when we went, few girls not too friendly, large bar area, didn't stay to eat.
These clubs refused entry:
Living Room.
Imperia (Konstanz).
This is a small portion of the total clubs and perhaps other members can add to the lists from their own experience. Policies can change often from club to club so, again, I recommend calling in advance.
Tips For Couples:
Know Yourselves: The FKK experience can be both intimidating and exciting. Make sure you and your partner are clear on which actions are acceptable to one and other and which aren't. I've heard stories from girls where the man starts kissing her and his partner freaks out, or the partner is only there to watch and becomes distressed during the session. It's important to communicate before during and after the session to fine tune the whole experience. Have a safe word or an agreement that either person can pause the session at anytime if it becomes uncomfortable. The girls are typically very sensitive to not causing hurt feelings so make them aware of any boundaries. If anything goes, tell them this also, otherwise they may be hesitant to kiss or even have intercourse usually for fear of upsetting the female partner. The best sessions are the ones where everyone is happy and fulfilled.
Clothing: Women will be offered a bathrobe and sandals just like the men but are also allowed to bring their own. Wearing the club robe can illicit more stares as men do a double take not expecting to see a woman polar bear (wearing a white bathrobe). I suggest your partner bring her own robe that she's comfortable in, with some sexy lingerie underneath, as well as her own slippers or sandals. Ask for lockers next to each other or at least in the same area. Be careful not to look too sexy out in the club areas and don't flirt or engage much with the other male guests as some girls may get jealous and complain.
Choosing Girls: I've learned to have my girlfriend choose the girls because when the girls have a connection, the chances of having a really good time are highest. A friendly smile and mutual eye contact between the women opens the door for an introduction. If girls don't make eye contact with you or your partner, it's not because they are shy, they just aren't interested in a threesome. Don't take it personally it's how they politely decline. This is a big difference from being there alone when it seems all the girls have their eyes on you. On the other hand, when girls like your partner and her energy, they will try to connect with her. Your partner will know it and if she feels any attraction (like clit tingling, I'm told) it's a key indicator of a potential great session. Initially, we like to walk around the club, make introductions and re-approach favorites if they aren't already attached to us. I try not to get distracted by girls I may think are hotter. Our best sessions come from the girls being turned on and uninhibited to giving and receiving pleasure, which makes everyone happy. After some playful flirtation and before deciding on going to a room, I initiate a discussion of services and prices. We almost always turn down propositions to take more than one girl at a time, it is rarely a benefit and double, the double money. When there are abundant choices I may say to them: "After we go with her, we take you, and then you" because we like to plan on multiple sessions. We usually pass on ones that don't speak good english because it's so important that the women can form a strong connection. My German is fair but just leaves my GF feeling left out if I need to translate.
Rates And Negotiation: The standard rate for a half hour in a room is 50. For two it doubles to 100. Don't expect to go to a room with a girl for less than that, although I'm sure there are exceptions if you can drive a hard bargain, discreetly. You can expect to be up sold for any extras such as kissing, toys, female to female oral, and now of course, BBBJ or anything else they decide is extra. This also can depend on the club and whether any other girls are within earshot. I usually clarify what is included for 50 each (100 total) for 30 minutes and if reasonable only commit to that. Once in the room we discuss what costs extra, such as the use of toys on the girl, and I use extending the session as a bargaining point. I'm happy if we can agree on 1 hour for 200 including everything (except anal or CIM which is always extra). If a girl is determined to overcharge, a mention of canceling the session can often urge her to offer a reasonable rate. A couple can be seen as a golden egg, a girl can make double the normal rate for the same or even less the amount of effort. Also, a couple conveys the suggestion of wealth, so don't be surprised at initial quotes of 250 per half hour. Keep in mind that many girls talk amongst themselves and others may know how much you've paid. Once you pay 150 or more for 30 minutes you may find it hard to get a better deal that day. Because the rates for a couple can be so varied, it's crucial to have a clear agreement on what you're paying for and for how long. It may seem tedious and impolite to have a long detailed negotiation but it's worse to have your session ruined with up sells and misunderstandings or to be taken advantage of. For us, I'm more experienced with FKK negotiations and it's important that my GF remains quietly united so a slick talking shark can't drive a wedge between us and seduce a higher rate. When reaching a fair price, assurances of keeping it to ourselves is often mentioned by both sides.
In The Room: Have a couple of scenarios worked out with your partner ahead of time so you can direct the session and not waste time figuring out what to do. Tell the girl what your plan is, at least to start with, and ask her to assume her part in it. The girls will rarely have an agenda for a couple and generally appreciate specific direction from both of you. We usually start with me lying on my back on the bed because that presents many opportunities for engagement and seems to put the girl at ease. It's a good idea to have a watch and keep your partner aware of the time frame. Be wary of the 20 minute half hour and confirm with the girl that the clock starts when she's in the room and ready to start. When the session ends, instead of being rushed out the door, you and your partner can stay in the room and tell the girl you'll leave it clean. This depends on the club but can be a more relaxing way to collect your things and not have your session cut short. We prefer to have a full hour which gives us each time for a break but not necessarily at the same time. I'll often go take a quick shower or bring back some drinks just to come back to the room and find the girls really ready for me to rejoin them. A couple can usually get a room just for themselves to play or relax with a bit of privacy.
Supplies: We like to bring along a selection of toys, lube, condoms and wet wipes. The girls are always delighted when they see our toys, which we always cover with fresh condoms when changing users. We bring our own lube (Astroglide does not seem to be available in Germany) since many girls either don't have lube or use some low quality gel very sparingly. We use the wipes to keep everything clean and go through lots of condoms. Once the girls see that we are careful about hygiene they are more open and relaxed.
We also want to give a big shout out to all of the beautiful, hardworking girls of the FKKs and beyond: It's these sweet, sexy girls that keep us coming back and back again. Thank you so much ladies, Love to all of you!
Have fun!
I've seen the odd couple in FKKs. One time was in Sakura. The women were in bathrobe and slippers and looking uncomfortable like feeling out of place. If I had a girlfriend with any looks I would never inflict upon her the humiliation of thus appearing her worst in the midst of sexyly attired sex workers. Maybe a different matter if she was a pig.
I did a couple of times this years ago, no problems, and what you say Urlaubing is a pretty good guide.
I just want to add a little story to back up one of your points. I was at World, single, and saw a couple of girls using the lockers to change, as often happened. They made eye contact and I made some vague general comment that they were nice, and attractive, better looking than the men one mostly sees at the lockers. Immediately from round the corner a pair f large men emerged, glowering at me and looking for trouble. They were the companions for these women. These men spoke no English, German, French, or Romanian, and used threatening hand gestures. I expected a fight. Fortunately my own hand gestures made them realise I was not going to steal their girlfriends. A nasty experience.
It backs up what you say. If one goes to an FKK as a couple, the woman needs to make sure she is not looking or acting like a worker, and the men need to know that they can handle the situation. These two couples did not have a clue.
XXL. I agree. Seeing visiting women in the clubs dressed in unflattering garments makes me wonder what it does for their self image. My partner dealt with it by wearing a towel round her waist, the universal signal that she was not working. (Of course this is less clear cut now since so many workers think it appropriate to wear a towel while they are seeking custom)
Polyamorist
04-04-18, 15:42
I've compiled this collection of information and tips for those interested in going to FKK clubs with their girlfriend or wife.Salaam, Furlaubing, that's a nice overview on a specialist topic. I think it would be cool to bring along a girlfriend to an FKK and get her to pick out the prettiest girls for me. At a certain age you get too lazy to do all the leering and groping personally and you want to delegate the negotiations and even some of the foreplay so you can save your energy for the main act. Inshallah I am not at that age, but still.
The only thing I have to watch out for is bringing a girlfriend to the FKK on the same day Optimist is there as I just got a fright and realized she would probably run away with that guy.
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A fun thing to do when observing a couple at an FKK is to join them in the jaccuuzi. They always hang out there. And sit a bit away from them starting wank. LOL!
Furlaubing
04-04-18, 23:53
If I had a girlfriend with any looks I would never inflict upon her the humiliation of thus appearing her worst in the midst of sexyly attired sex workers. Maybe a different matter if she was a pig.Yes, no doubt it can be intimidating and uncomfortable for a woman, especially the first few times in an FKK. Most women can adjust pretty easily once they become mesmerized by the naked girls and realize no body really cares anyway. It may be harder if she were ugly, but that's just a guess.
I think it would be cool to bring along a girlfriend to an FKK and get her to pick out the prettiest girls for me.That can be a big advantage, although instead of the prettiest girls, my girlfriend tends to pick the funnest and best providers. I usually get blinded by the hottest looking ones and can't see beyond that.
HungryStud101
04-05-18, 04:17
FKK sounds like "F-Ka-ka" if written in English, is this correct? This is the German nudist movement?
For such things there are "swinger's clubs". That's what swinger's clubs are for.
I was a regular in swinging clubs in the nineties. Often not only other girls and couples, but even my girl was problematic, not quite going along with what I had in mind etc. Frustration often ensued on both sides.
Fast forward to FKKs: no such strictures. No girl in tow to stand between me and the other girls. It's my money and I do what I want with it. No feeling of others to consider. Freedom.
Hey all,
How strict are the clubs with STD testing?
Having only BBBJ then CFS is getting slightly boring, and I feel like its making them have difficulty performing well in the session. Normally, I would be willing to go down on them. But know that they had at least 1000 costumer makes it hard not to get paranoid. And from reading your posts, it looks like most of you are eating peaches.
Also.
My next trip will be to Frankfurt. I have been to Oase, Sharks, and World. Any recommendation to (other) FKK / brothels?
Thanks in advance.
Member #4585
04-06-18, 00:46
How strict are the clubs with STD testing?
Thanks in advance.Some clubs are less strict that you have taken your STD tests. Some clubs blatantly do not require you to bring your STD test results at all.
I think most girls will be pleased you bring your STD results to show them.
I hear at some gangbangs and specialist clubs that they provide on the spot HIV tests to ensure you are fine for participating. There may be a small charge involved for that test.
Rogue Nation
04-06-18, 07:26
Hey all,
How strict are the clubs with STD testing?Not strict at all. Most clubs do not require any STD testing from the girls. It is also not required by law.
MythoVirus
04-06-18, 15:41
Some clubs are less strict that you have taken your STD tests. Some clubs blatantly do not require you to bring your STD test results at all.
I think most girls will be pleased you bring your STD results to show them.
I hear at some gangbangs and specialist clubs that they provide on the spot HIV tests to ensure you are fine for participating. There may be a small charge involved for that test.I think what he meant is how strictly are the WG doing STI screen for themselves. He is concerned about the risks of him getting an STI from a WG rather than the reverse.
Some clubs are less strict that you have taken your STD tests. Some clubs blatantly do not require you to bring your STD test results at all.
I think most girls will be pleased you bring your STD results to show them.
I hear at some gangbangs and specialist clubs that they provide on the spot HIV tests to ensure you are fine for participating. There may be a small charge involved for that test.Do FKK's require any test results? It will be my first time visiting in a couple weeks, do I need to get some kind of testing done before I go or is this just around the swinger / specialist clubs?
Rogue Nation
04-06-18, 20:14
Do FKK's require any test results? It will be my first time visiting in a couple weeks, do I need to get some kind of testing done before I go or is this just around the swinger / specialist clubs?FKK / Sauna clubs don't require any STD testing from the clients.
Der Auslander
04-06-18, 23:39
Do FKK's require any test results? It will be my first time visiting in a couple weeks, do I need to get some kind of testing done before I go or is this just around the swinger / specialist clubs?FKK / Sauna clubs do not require patrons / customers to be tested for STIs.
This non-rule also applies to any ladies who visit these same clubs I. E. The ladies are self-employed and are NOT employed directly by the clubs. Therefore the clubs cannot demand that the ladies are tested for STIs, no more than they will demand that you or any other male customers are tested.
FKK / Sauna clubs do not require patrons / customers to be tested for STIs.
This non-rule also applies to any ladies who visit these same clubs I. E. The ladies are self-employed and are NOT employed directly by the clubs. Therefore the clubs cannot demand that the ladies are tested for STIs, no more than they will demand that you or any other male customers are tested.Der Auslander is right but some clubs do require the girls to be tested once they started working there. Definitely at Artemis in Berlin.
Not strict at all. Most clubs do not require any STD testing from the girls. It is also not required by law.One of my lady friends goes to a clinic at least quarterly. It's frww to her and specializes in testing doe STI's.
What are the best FKK clubs currently for seeing German girls? I asked this before, but it was over a year ago.
I think what he meant is how strictly are the WG doing STI screen for themselves. He is concerned about the risks of him getting an STI from a WG rather than the reverse.Yeah that's what I meant. I think I will refrain from giving oral / DFK.
Member #4585
04-08-18, 09:30
Yeah that's what I meant. I think I will refrain from giving oral / DFK.Yeah. Sorry. I thought you meant your own Compulsory STD results.
STI testing for girls is very loose indeed and in many cases is at the discretion of the girl.
Der Auslander is right but some clubs do require the girls to be tested once they started working there. Definitely at Artemis in Berlin.But Artemis also had that razzia where the outcome was that the club was not allowed to pose rules on the girls. So either that practise has stopped, or if you know if still goes on, it might be wise to not talk about it. As far as I understand things, the receptionists there are scared of telling the girls anything nowadays.
ExpatLover
04-08-18, 20:35
Yeah. Sorry. I thought you meant your own Compulsory STD results.
STI testing for girls is very loose indeed and in many cases is at the discretion of the girl.In fact here is no tests for the girls but after 15 years of club I never get any disease.
MythoVirus
04-08-18, 22:12
Yeah that's what I meant. I think I will refrain from giving oral / DFK.You do your thing, the safer it is, the better. But that aside do your research about which act can transmit what STI, and you judge if it was worth the risk or not.
I myself don't do bareback vaginal nor anal, but I don't mind DFK / BBBJ / DATY as the risk of transmitting HIV / Hepatitis be / see for those acts is to me too low to be considered a significant risk.
What are the best FKK clubs currently for seeing German girls? I asked this before, but it was over a year ago.GT Bruggen, Hamburg and YY NL. Can also try Sharks but quite average looks.
MythoVirus
04-09-18, 18:35
GT Bruggen, Hamburg and YY NL. Can also try Sharks but quite average looks.Like 3-4 WG per club, or more like 50% of the WG?
Trans Atlantic
04-11-18, 05:14
Hey all,
How strict are the clubs with STD testing?
Having only BBBJ then CFS is getting slightly boring, and I feel like its making them have difficulty performing well in the session. Normally, I would be willing to go down on them. But know that they had at least 1000 costumer makes it hard not to get paranoid. And from reading your posts, it looks like most of you are eating peaches.
Also.
My next trip will be to Frankfurt. I have been to Oase, Sharks, and World. Any recommendation to (other) FKK / brothels?
Thanks in advance.
Girls having STD testing is only useful for her and is completely useless to you due to the delay in time between when STDs can be transmitted and when it can be detected by a test.
Google seroconversion testing window for more details.
Like 3-4 WG per club, or more like 50% of the WG?You will not find 50% anywhere. 10% German would be a miracle in itself. Perhaps at a club that has a line up of 20 and 2 being German would you even find a 10% German club.
TransAtlantic is right in that a std test for a working girl only shows that she did not have a detectable disease at that point: she could have a disease and be infectious even with a negative test.
Clubs cannot formally require girls to be tested as this could be seen as evidence that the girls are not working of their own free will.
I would never take STD results to a girl. It could raise the issue in some girls' minds that I only took a test because I thought I had a disease, since, as far as I know, clients never take STD tests to show girls.
I won't enter the statistical discussion on population wide risk assessments but my experience is that if one uses a condom for sex then contracting an std is unlikely. A working girl can (not will) as a matter of fact have a thousand or more sessions in this way and contract no STD.
No way to estimate personal risk (depends on luck, personal immune system, choice of partners, and so on). General population risk assessments may under or over play personal risk.
Artemis has sometimes had over 15 Germans. Back in the days when Liz and her sister worked there, there were sometimes 3 different German groups. Plus randoms. Nadja and all the nearly 10 hamburg girls, plus Jayda from Cologne etc. Not too sure how many there are right now. I think less. But 5 at least in weekends, so it has more than the Hessen and NRW clubs. But I haven't been there as much lately as I used to, so I am not 100% sure. I cannot recall a NRW or Hessen club with more than 4 Germans, except palace, which can have / had 5-7. But maybe a few of these girls have also left now. But to me it doesn't matter as the palace Germans were a bit cold hearted I felt. Except one local Frankfurt blondie perhaps. Today YY/ Aca / gt etc all have 4 Germans each I believe. Sharks have 4 too now?
Like 3-4 WG per club, or more like 50% of the WG?If you want German girls, stick with escort services. Most Germans do not want to be seen in a club.
PuntTheWorld2
04-23-18, 16:21
Been reading a lot or reports in prep for a trip through Frankfurt in July. This forum has provided me invaluable knowledge, in which I will be sure to return the favor afterwards.
I have to ask though. Being an asian american guy in my 30's, I've read quite a few reports speaking about girls targeting asian guys as easy targets, etc. Should I expect different treatment (negative or positive) on the whole, less options on the menu, etc? Be blunt as you want, I don't mind.
Thanks fellas!
Hermann666
04-23-18, 19:42
Been reading a lot or reports in prep for a trip through Frankfurt in July. This forum has provided me invaluable knowledge, in which I will be sure to return the favor afterwards.
I have to ask though. Being an asian american guy in my 30's, I've read quite a few reports speaking about girls targeting asian guys as easy targets, etc. Should I expect different treatment (negative or positive) on the whole, less options on the menu, etc? Be blunt as you want, I don't mind.
Thanks fellas!Asian guys, especially Japanese, are seen as easy targets by the girls. They whorship blond girls and pop in a matter of seconds so it's easy money without a lot of work. I think the girls will only have to speak to you for a few seconds before they will place you in the opposite category. Loud American. So don't worry. They know you will expect a more sofisticated performance.
Been reading a lot or reports in prep for a trip through Frankfurt in July. This forum has provided me invaluable knowledge, in which I will be sure to return the favor afterwards.
I have to ask though. Being an asian american guy in my 30's, I've read quite a few reports speaking about girls targeting asian guys as easy targets, etc. Should I expect different treatment (negative or positive) on the whole, less options on the menu, etc? Be blunt as you want, I don't mind.
Thanks fellas!Being Asian American is generally a good thing in the brothel as long as you show discipline with your wallet and pick the girls rather than letting them pick you. I think it helps to convey that you are Asian American rather than Far East Asian as some girls will recognize the difference in western social aptitude and respond accordingly. If they mention anything about any affinity towards Asian guys and Asian culture, I see that as a potential warning sign. At that point, I am forthcoming and tell girls that I am not a five minute Asian. That in itself puts off the lesser providers. The bad ones generally start upselling right away and the good ones will tell you "no problem."
Been reading a lot or reports in prep for a trip through Frankfurt in July. This forum has provided me invaluable knowledge, in which I will be sure to return the favor afterwards.
I have to ask though. Being an asian american guy in my 30's, I've read quite a few reports speaking about girls targeting asian guys as easy targets, etc. Should I expect different treatment (negative or positive) on the whole, less options on the menu, etc? Be blunt as you want, I don't mind.
Thanks fellas!Don't be surprised if the call out to you as China. They also like to imitate simple words from Asian languages they've heard.
My guesses are: based on this year sampling.
Sharks: 3-6 - been there 3 times this year.
GT: 5-10 - been there about 5 times this year. So this is still the best club. By far- for spotting germans.
YY: 5-7 - been there only once.
LR (Livingroom) - 3-4 girls. Been once this year.
Aca Velbert: 0 (zero, nada). Been there once.
Palace: 2-3. But way too much upselling. And agreed. The folks were cold-hearted. Been there once this year.
Salome: 2-5 - been there 3 times. But the germans are not pretty. One girl, Stella was. But she was a one-hit wonder. Never seen again.
Let me know if you find german girls anywhere. I book them very frequently because of my verbal fetish.
Artemis has sometimes had over 15 Germans. Back in the days when Liz and her sister worked there, there were sometimes 3 different German groups. Plus randoms. Nadja and all the nearly 10 hamburg girls, plus Jayda from Cologne etc. Not too sure how many there are right now. I think less. But 5 at least in weekends, so it has more than the Hessen and NRW clubs. But I haven't been there as much lately as I used to, so I am not 100% sure. I cannot recall a NRW or Hessen club with more than 4 Germans, except palace, which can have / had 5-7. But maybe a few of these girls have also left now. But to me it doesn't matter as the palace Germans were a bit cold hearted I felt. Except one local Frankfurt blondie perhaps. Today YY/ Aca / gt etc all have 4 Germans each I believe. Sharks have 4 too now?
My guesses are: based on this year sampling.
Sharks: 3-6 - been there 3 times this year.
GT: 5-10 - been there about 5 times this year. So this is still the best club. By far- for spotting germans.
YY: 5-7 - been there only once.
LR (Livingroom) - 3-4 girls. Been once this year.
Aca Velbert: 0 (zero, nada). Been there once.
Palace: 2-3. But way too much upselling. And agreed. The folks were cold-hearted. Been there once this year.
Salome: 2-5 - been there 3 times. But the germans are not pretty. One girl, Stella was. But she was a one-hit wonder. Never seen again.
Let me know if you find german girls anywhere. I book them very frequently because of my verbal fetish.I can add that Aca has a few. Jana and Lucy are two good looking ones. There is a chubby blonde one that sits in the back corner near the money lockers. Perhaps some others I don't know.
Most other clubs generally have at least 1 but I think you've hit the major ones.
BigBuddy69
04-23-18, 21:46
At least 2 German girls during my last visit to Aca: Mina and Alexandra. But they are in their late 20's-early 30's. Mina has been in the club for a while.
CzarNicholas
05-03-18, 20:01
Does anyone know the nearest FKK?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-police/german-police-raid-migrant-shelter-after-clashes-idUSKBN1I40NY
I can add that Aca has a few. Jana and Lucy are two good looking ones. There is a chubby blonde one that sits in the back corner near the money lockers. Perhaps some others I don't know.
Most other clubs generally have at least 1 but I think you've hit the major ones.Aca has 3 or 4 German regulars. I only know Lucy and Jana too, but I was told there were one or two more, and I think one of these is a bit older MILFy type. But I forgot the name.
At least 2 German girls during my last visit to Aca: Mina and Alexandra. But they are in their late 20's-early 30's. Mina has been in the club for a while.Mina might be one of the other Germans, but Alexandra is as Romanian as it gets. I know her, LOL. Interesting girl who likes a laugh by the way.
BrahmaPoutre
05-05-18, 08:33
If you want German girls, stick with escort services. Most Germans do not want to be seen in a club.I agree with you, FKK is now only for cheap businesses with Romanian mostly, beautiful girls will certainly not remain in FKK at 50 euros, but new law might change that.
I often use Kaufmich sometimes and half of the girls (if it is not more) on this website is german!
The only drawbacks are that sometimes you do not see her faces on their profiles and it happened to me that some of them do not speak English (fortunately I am able to have simple conversation with them with my basic german and it is often enough to get an appointment with them, often on WhatsApp).
And prices are often higher than FKK ones.
Another point is that sometimes they do not have any places for encounters, so they have to come to your hotel or sometimes even offer Autodate!
But there could be good surprise but also. Bad ones, it is the risk!
BigBuddy69
05-05-18, 09:27
Mina might be one of the other Germans, but Alexandra is as Romanian as it gets. I know her, LOL. Interesting girl who likes a laugh by the way.Sorry I made a mistake: it's Magdalena (tall and busty), not Alexandra. I don't know who is Alexandra.
Can still find few good German girls in FKK land and not only in Hamburg. Had 5 since November, 2 are model type + really pretty Linda in Hamburg and so hot Gianina at Globe. Also some German born, Turkish, Iranian.
But I still love my Romanian GF.
Rogue Nation
05-05-18, 22:54
I agree with you, FKK is now only for cheap businesses with Romanian mostly, beautiful girls will certainly not remain in FKK at 50 euros, but new law might change that.
I often use Kaufmich sometimes and half of the girls (if it is not more) on this website is german!
The only drawbacks are that sometimes you do not see her faces on their profiles and it happened to me that some of them do not speak English (fortunately I am able to have simple conversation with them with my basic german and it is often enough to get an appointment with them, often on WhatsApp).
And prices are often higher than FKK ones.
Another point is that sometimes they do not have any places for encounters, so they have to come to your hotel or sometimes even offer Autodate!
But there could be good surprise but also. Bad ones, it is the risk!Kaufmich is not a very good platform for P6. Risk of getting bad service for a high price is big. Comparing apartments to escorts is difficult, it's two very different experiences.
BrahmaPoutre
05-06-18, 21:13
Kaufmich is not a very good platform for P6. Risk of getting bad service for a high price is big. Comparing apartments to escorts is difficult, it's two very different experiences.I confirm, I had some terrible expensive experiences sometimes.
I try to check reports on Rheinforum before contacting the girls, they often report about services with the girls on KM even if it is not always guaranteed.
For the german girls fans, in 6 sens on Friday, there were a few german girls:
Tina and Tamara for the MILF fans, Laura ex LR, 2 young new girls from Aachen (they worked in a club in Austria, I forgot the name, sorry) and 3 other young ones always together in the club, among them I sessionned Jessy, German blond girl who also tour in Switzerland sometimes and also used to working in YY, it was her first day in 6 sens, she looks like physically Jana in Aca, thin with nice boobs but her service was far below average, more handjob rather than blowjob and no kisses, cunni was good but short, so I was on Turkish mood and I fucked her like a wild beast, her on top then I come quickly in missionary, I was very much excited by her body and despite her nice ass, I did not have time to try doggy! My only regret! But I did not see them on Saturday, this is the problem in 6 sens, German girls often come and see this club but do not stay very long before going somewhere else.
ExpatLover
05-08-18, 05:34
Kaufmich is not a very good platform for P6. Risk of getting bad service for a high price is big. Comparing apartments to escorts is difficult, it's two very different experiences.I am perfectly fluent in German, KF is a great platform but you have to select only German girls who are only doing 1 hour and more, and coming to your hotel, chances are high to get great experience with a none pro girl, never go with a girl doing in cars or receiving, they are pro and you will not get good things, better to visit FKK in that case.
Read many references to new FKK club rules in Germany introduced last year, but did not find any concrete information what exactly has changed. Please provide details and how it really impacted FKK clubs scene. I am interested in regular clubs, not AO.
Read many references to new FKK club rules in Germany introduced last year, but did not find any concrete information what exactly has changed. Please provide details and how it really impacted FKK clubs scene. I am interested in regular clubs, not AO.The psychology talk is a joke. Girls have told me they laugh at the psychologists who think they know something.
- LR has been raided a few times for no reason other than it sounds like the police doesn't like the club even if it is probably one of the most law abiding clubs out there. Other clubs have had no problems from what I know.
- Some girls in some clubs have gotten one more reason to upsell. The hygenic part is laughed at by most since they are willing to do it for money. Money talks more than laws. So the law is a joke in this regard too.
- The rest is just speculations.
Read many references to new FKK club rules in Germany introduced last year, but did not find any concrete information what exactly has changed. Please provide details and how it really impacted FKK clubs scene. I am interested in regular clubs, not AO.The LR raids have me thinking German police is highly corrupt since they have let certain other clubs pass. And the laws is asking to more corruption among the police. Like laying an easter egg on their front door.
CoolManFever84
05-13-18, 21:08
Hello all,
I have been Oase in Frankfurt and Artemis in Berlin. Planning another bro trip with friends to Europe. We get money this time and want to visit the best FKK club in Europe. Looking for best FKK with hottest line up of girls in Europe. What do you guys recommend?
Rogue Nation
05-14-18, 01:59
The LR raids have me thinking German police is highly corrupt since they have let certain other clubs pass. And the laws is asking to more corruption among the police. Like laying an easter egg on their front door.That is bullshit. You have no knowledge whatsoever why LR was checked by the police so your accusation is pure speculation and nonsense.
Vito Corleone
05-14-18, 03:30
The LR raids have me thinking German police is highly corrupt since they have let certain other clubs pass. And the laws is asking to more corruption among the police. Like laying an easter egg on their front door.I do not think the German police are corrupted. A knee jerk reaction to the current problems at LR.
That is bullshit. You have no knowledge whatsoever why LR was checked by the police so your accusation is pure speculation and nonsense.I have stated this on the LR forum as well and feel confident with my comments. Most, if not all, clubs experienced controls prior to the new year. When certain things were found to be out of order, the club was informed follow up controls were conducted to verify reaction from the clubs management and compliance with regulations. In the case of LR, the follow up control showed the club still not compliant, which invited a more complete review and follow up controls. At this time the club is reacting to the more recent controls and working their way back from the negative opinions. It's also possible that a neighbor, private or business, is upset with the traffic the club generates, and has complained to the authorities or the authorities tracked negative statistical trends such as drink driving, hit and run accidents, vandalism, etc. I know I haven't been stopped by the police and controlled when leaving the club since February and I've seen less police presence near the club when leaving at 2 am.
In my experiences of personal and club control I think the police are doing their jobs. I haven't been drunk, my car and personal papers are in order so I continue on my way. The LR paperwork was found deficient so they are struggling with the repercussions. The club is still good unless you need alcohol but I think their is more it's management could do to coax back the weekday and early weekend customers. I've personally been told by them that the issues will be resolved eventually and the customers will return. I've also been told by many women they like dealing better with the customers they see in the club now but they just wish there were more of them.
The LR raids have me thinking German police is highly corrupt since they have let certain other clubs pass. And the laws is asking to more corruption among the police. Like laying an easter egg on their front door.My question was more about substance of new official regulations published in July 2017. I've heard that they effected public nudity, coach BJ and sex in public areas like kino in FKK clubs. Can somebody provide more specifics about these regulations.
Hermann666
05-14-18, 21:02
My question was more about substance of new official regulations published in July 2017. I've heard that they effected public nudity, coach BJ and sex in public areas like kino in FKK clubs. Can somebody provide more specifics about these regulations.The condom law which makes it illegal to have sex with a prostitute without using a condom is the major part of the new regulation that affects customers. Other parts of the regulation affects brothel owners and the prostitutes. For example, all sex workers need to be registered to be allowed to work in Germany since January 1st.
There is no regulation against nudity or public sex in the clubs that I am aware of.
You also asked about the impact of the new laws. Well, reading this forum it is evident that the impact is a bit mixed. You can still get a blowjob without a condom in most clubs. Sometimes you need to pay extra, sometimes not. The registration requirement has scared some girls away from the business.
That is bullshit. You have no knowledge whatsoever why LR was checked by the police so your accusation is pure speculation and nonsense.When I start my post with 'thinking', don't you feel it is obvious that I am speculating. But I am still holding onto my speculation even if you disagree.
I do not think the German police are corrupted. A knee jerk reaction to the current problems at LR.Police everywhere are probably much more corrupt than you think. You see it with drug trafficking all the time. All over Europe. I see no logic in prostitution being different. Heck I know it isn't. Like I told a local police investigator I met once: I could have single handedly nailed the entire local drug industry where I live (500 000 people area). No problem. But police has been told not to spend resources on it, and it is happening all over Europe and probably USA too. Aside from fining random drug addicts smaller silly fines.
Until proven wrong, it is human nature to speculate. Perhaps German cops (as well as cops everywhere) should consider more transparency if they don't like speculations.
ExpatLover
05-15-18, 04:37
Police everywhere are probably much more corrupt than you think. You see it with drug trafficking all the time. All over Europe. I see no logic in prostitution being different. Heck I know it isn't. Like I told a local police investigator I met once: I could have single handedly nailed the entire local drug industry where I live (500 000 people area). No problem. But police has been told not to spend resources on it, and it is happening all over Europe and probably USA too. Aside from fining random drug addicts smaller silly fines.Probably you could also consider that the political authorities are not willing to stop drug trafficking just because they are sure that the drug dealers will never find a normal job and to make their income they will increase the attacks on people. Which will lead to a increase of social instability.
The condom law which makes it illegal to have sex with a prostitute without using a condom is the major part of the new regulation that affects customers. Other parts of the regulation affects brothel owners and the prostitutes. For example, all sex workers need to be registered to be allowed to work in Germany since January 1st.
There is no regulation against nudity or public sex in the clubs that I am aware of.
You also asked about the impact of the new laws. Well, reading this forum it is evident that the impact is a bit mixed. You can still get a blowjob without a condom in most clubs. Sometimes you need to pay extra, sometimes not. The registration requirement has scared some girls away from the business.Thanks Hermann666, very helpful.
In the Austria General Info thread I wrote up a list of FKKs and saunaclubs that I was able to find. I'd love to hear comments, additions or revisions.
Rogue Nation
05-15-18, 22:22
When I start my post with 'thinking', don't you feel it is obvious that I am speculating. But I am still holding onto my speculation even if you disagree.
Police everywhere are probably much more corrupt than you think. You see it with drug trafficking all the time. All over Europe. I see no logic in prostitution being different. Heck I know it isn't. Like I told a local police investigator I met once: I could have single handedly nailed the entire local drug industry where I live (500 000 people area). No problem. But police has been told not to spend resources on it, and it is happening all over Europe and probably USA too. Aside from fining random drug addicts smaller silly fines.Speculating? Sounded more like you're an expert on the European police and corruption. Or maybe you are confusing Romanian Nd Bulgarian police with Western European police. Just speculating.
When I start my post with 'thinking', don't you feel it is obvious that I am speculating. But I am still holding onto my speculation even if you disagree.If we speculate, I'm going with the theory that every weekend there is a police officer in a club sitting on the sofa with his favorite WG. When she takes him to the room and asks BJ with or without, he always opts for the option without.
Smoke Light
05-16-18, 19:34
If we speculate, I'm going with the theory that every weekend there is a police officer in a club sitting on the sofa with his favorite WG. When she takes him to the room and asks BJ with or without, he always opts for the option without.If we continue to speculate, I think LE and other government officials favor much more smaller brothels and apartments rather than big clubs to be discrete. However, no doubt BBBJ mode is preferred by them just like by most of us here.
MarquisdeSade1
05-17-18, 08:30
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-05-16/something-is-rotten-at-the-heart-of-the-euro
Polyamorist
05-19-18, 00:27
If we speculate, I'm going with the theory that every weekend there is a police officer in a club sitting on the sofa with his favorite WG. When she takes him to the room and asks BJ with or without, he always opts for the option without.Salaam, Mr Chongmal. If I were back in school and considering my career options it wouldn't be Ice Cream Taster any more. In this modern age "BBBJ Compliance Officer" seems like a far more attractive path.
In the Austria General Info thread I wrote up a list of FKKs and saunaclubs that I was able to find. I'd love to hear comments, additions or revisions.Read it and loved it. It is a nice introduction to the Austrian FKK scene. Maybe add links to homepages? Or make an Austrian FKK Google Map? Just an idea.
Speculating? Sounded more like you're an expert on the European police and corruption. Or maybe you are confusing Romanian Nd Bulgarian police with Western European police. Just speculating.I feel like I have only read speculations from your part ever since I started reading the board. Both Rogue Nation and your old nick. 100%.
Chongmal: Good for you, but is that really a speculation, or is it a fantasy?
Citizen Kane
05-20-18, 17:30
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-05-16/something-is-rotten-at-the-heart-of-the-euroThat isn't going to happen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVcspJhjjN4
The other poster is just reposting stuff from Breitbart or Daily Express or similar. It's much more likely he'll have to use Euros in the Shires than paying with Marks in Germany.
That isn't going to happen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVcspJhjjN4
MarquisdeSade1
05-22-18, 07:57
That isn't going to happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVcspJhjjN4https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/21/italys-new-populist-government-really-might-blow-up-the-euro/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a06c4d0b4705
Kosher Kowboy
05-27-18, 14:25
https://sbahnbaustelle.de/
https://www.rmv.de/c/de/start/
Both translate to English but not perfectly. Way it looks the tunnels for the SBahn trains under the city is closed this week or on some days (or is it nights?).
The S5 too Sharks looks like you can simply take the RB68 and mute point.
Was going to try to go to some clubs in Hanau but that line appears to be screwed up and the train to Gypsy-Land also looks to be screwed up. Seems for destinations needing to go underground they are telling folks to take the UBahn or Trams to other stations than connect. 1-3 connections for routes normally with no stops.
I do not think this has any change to the train to Oase, I ' think' that train does not go in the underground ' S-bahn tunnels' they refer too
Or are these nighttime closures only?
Specifically looking to translate the info related to uses of the S2 and the S9 more so the S2.
TankTank123
05-28-18, 02:06
This has been happening 1-2 times a year for the last 2-3 years. You were lucky, I had experienced this a few times already. Closures lasted 1-3 weeks, and it is closed whole day and night.
S5 to Oase was not affected, except that the train from Oase ended at the main platform and also started from the main platform instead of underground.
S3 to Darmstadt was affected, but not the RBs. You will have to take trams or U-bahn to connect to the first overground S-bahn station. I think to get to places in the east, you will need to take Tram 16 to Muhlberg and take your usual S-bahn rom there.
But surely there is an RB to Hanau? I took one some years ago, much faster than the S-bahn.
https://sbahnbaustelle.de/
https://www.rmv.de/c/de/start/
Both translate to English but not perfectly. Way it looks the tunnels for the SBahn trains under the city is closed this week or on some days (or is it nights?).
The S5 too Sharks looks like you can simply take the RB68 and mute point.
Was going to try to go to some clubs in Hanau but that line appears to be screwed up and the train to Gypsy-Land also looks to be screwed up. Seems for destinations needing to go underground they are telling folks to take the UBahn or Trams to other stations than connect. 1-3 connections for routes normally with no stops.
I do not think this has any change to the train to Oase, I ' think' that train does not go in the underground ' S-bahn tunnels' they refer too
Or are these nighttime closures only?
Specifically looking to translate the info related to uses of the S2 and the S9 more so the S2.Yes, the tunnel will be closed day and night from May 31st to June 4th in the morning. However, the S2 will continue to operate from Frankfurt Muhlberg to Dietzenbach. They will be running a replacement bus every 30 min from Frankfurt airport to Offenbach Ost train station, and you can transfer to the S2 there.
Kosher Kowboy
05-30-18, 00:01
Yes, the tunnel will be closed day and night from May 31st to June 4th in the morning. However, the S2 will continue to operate from Frankfurt Muhlberg to Dietzenbach. They will be running a replacement bus every 30 min from Frankfurt airport to Offenbach Ost train station, and you can transfer to the S2 there.Thank you and TankTank as well. That is how I just got back. The Creampie Express stopped at Muelberg than hopped the S9 in to town. Pretty easy. Seems for the 31 May -4 June the routes to and from the Gypsies routes you through Muhlberg as you say and also it looks like Offenbach Main and Offenbach Bieber, 10 minute transfer waits at each stop.
All For Bb
05-31-18, 03:13
I plan to visit FKK in summer. I understand FKK girls will go away and come back in mid of September.
What time the FKK girls will leave for summer vacation in general? Mid July? Please advise. Thanks.
Vito Corleone
05-31-18, 03:42
I plan to visit FKK in summer. I understand FKK girls will go away and come back in mid of September.
What time the FKK girls will leave for summer vacation in general? Mid July? Please advise. Thanks.Great question! I would like to know as well. Not sure if the moderators will allow me to ask this question 80 times!
ExpatLover
05-31-18, 06:03
I plan to visit FKK in summer. I understand FKK girls will go away and come back in mid of September.
What time the FKK girls will leave for summer vacation in general? Mid July? Please advise. Thanks.There is no issue at all about summer holidays, most of them will not take or just 1 or 2 weeks.
Member #4636
05-31-18, 19:08
I plan to visit FKK in summer. I understand FKK girls will go away and come back in mid of September.
What time the FKK girls will leave for summer vacation in general? Mid July? Please advise. Thanks.If all girls left for summer vacation then the clubs would close as well. There will always be girls coming and going maybe less in the clubs without a garden. I don't have personal experience from summer TBH but I believe they will still be busy.
MarquisdeSade1
06-01-18, 07:39
That isn't going to happen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVcspJhjjN4https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/05/eurozone-single-currency-eu-austerity-italy-argentina
Rogue Nation
06-01-18, 09:10
I plan to visit FKK in summer. I understand FKK girls will go away and come back in mid of September.
What time the FKK girls will leave for summer vacation in general? Mid July? Please advise. Thanks.Girls will leave on July 14 and return on September 14. That is the annual leave they are allowed.
Girls will leave on July 14 and return on September 14. That is the annual leave they are allowed.Pardon my ignorance, but is this sarcasm?
Member #4636
06-01-18, 20:43
Girls will leave on July 14 and return on September 14. That is the annual leave they are allowed.Allowed from you I reckon? LOL.
Citizen Kane
06-02-18, 17:28
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/05/eurozone-single-currency-eu-austerity-italy-argentinaHey man. Hope you're keeping well.
My point regarding the Euro is this; it was never an economic idea; it was always purely political. It's the 'crowning achievement' of the European Project and the largest step taken so far towards turning Europe into a federation. As such the European elite will defend it to the death.
The other reason the DM is unlikely to return is that Germany has done very well out of the Euro. It's an export lead economy which has benefited massively by having an artificially lower exchange rate that it has in effect borrowed from poorer members of the Eurozone. But, unlike in a regular nation where wealthier areas subsidise poorer ones, this loop isn't closed in the EZ so Germany gets the benefit without the cost.
Poorer nations did however benefit from artificially lower borrowing rates which resulted in them taking on far more debt than they would have been able to otherwise. The IMF has recently been talking about writing off some of Greece's debts which would be closing this aforementioned loop. Unsurprisingly Germany isn't particularly keen on this proposal.
MarquisdeSade1
06-04-18, 08:09
Hey man. Hope you're keeping well.
My point regarding the Euro is this; it was never an economic idea; it was always purely political. It's the 'crowning achievement' of the European Project and the largest step taken so far towards turning Europe into a federation. As such the European elite will defend it to the death.
The other reason the DM is unlikely to return is that Germany has done very well out of the Euro. It's an export lead economy which has benefited massively by having an artificially lower exchange rate that it has in effect borrowed from poorer members of the Eurozone. But, unlike in a regular nation where wealthier areas subsidise poorer ones, this loop isn't closed in the EZ so Germany gets the benefit without the cost.
Poorer nations did however benefit from artificially lower borrowing rates which resulted in them taking on far more debt than they would have been able to otherwise. The IMF has recently been talking about writing off some of Greece's debts which would be closing this aforementioned loop. Unsurprisingly Germany isn't particularly keen on this proposal.I've been emulating Caligula for the last 28 days in Mexico, I wonder if Magaluf can be any crazier than here? LMAO.
I've had other posts I submitted but for some reason?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/06/03/prostitutes-and-british-tourists-in-violent-clashes-at-notorious-party-resort-in-spain.html
Hope to see you again, I'm debating where to go for my next trip in July, FKK land? Pattaya? Angeles city? Sao Paulo? Medellin? Moscow?
MarquisdeSade1
06-08-18, 03:12
I've been emulating Caligula for the last 28 days in Mexico, I wonder if Magaluf can be any crazier than here? LMAO.
I've had other posts I submitted but for some reason?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/06/03/prostitutes-and-british-tourists-in-violent-clashes-at-notorious-party-resort-in-spain.html
Hope to see you again, I'm debating where to go for my next trip in July, FKK land? Pattaya? Angeles city? Sao Paulo? Medellin? Moscow?https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Iraqi-migrant-suspected-in-rape-and-murder-of-German-Jewish-girl-559425
Poorer nations did however benefit from artificially lower borrowing rates which resulted in them taking on far more debt than they would have been able to otherwise. The IMF has recently been talking about writing off some of Greece's debts which would be closing this aforementioned loop. Unsurprisingly Germany isn't particularly keen on this proposal.And with Romania joining the eurozone in the future, we'll have one more poor country which will loose jobs from this economic construct. But Germany will continue to supply jobs to Romanian women willing to travel for work.
Hello,
I am planning my first trip ever to Germany and would like to spend a lot of time in FKK clubs. What would be the best area to rent an airbnb to get the most out of my trip? I'll probably rent a car unless public transport is sufficient. My only goal is to sleep with as many sexy girls as possible. I know that Sharks and Oase are popular, so I'd like to visit those. I know Globe is out of the way in Switzerland but maybe I can take the train and stay a few days. That place sounds amazing.
The only issue is that I'm going to need to report on my trip with a few people and it's going to sound funny if I fly all the way to Germany and stay in places where there's nothing to do. I'll probably have to stay a few days in Berlin or Munich for cover.
I know I can map everything out on Google, but I figured plenty of guys here can give me a quick answer to help me out.
Thanks.
I'll be in Frankfurt for an 22 hour layover Monday am-Tuesday am. Hotels are ridiculously expensive, so may as well put that money towards an FKK.
Being that it's Monday. I have done my research here and it seems sharks is at its prime. I've also been there a few years ago on a Friday and had a great time.
But I'd like to mix it up. How is Oase? World? Worth it? Or stick to old reliable sharks?
I remember reading somewhere here recently a spirited debate over whether lineup or facilities / catering is truly the most important. LOL. Yes lineup really matters but honestly I'm down for sleep, chill, eat, steam / sauna, drink, and then maybe FKK LOL. I like exotic ladies, black women and new ones, so especially for the latter Monday will not be best, but this is the hand that I have been dealt.
Hello,
I am planning my first trip ever to Germany and would like to spend a lot of time in FKK clubs. What would be the best area to rent an airbnb to get the most out of my trip? I'll probably rent a car unless public transport is sufficient. My only goal is to sleep with as many sexy girls as possible. I know that Sharks and Oase are popular, so I'd like to visit those. I know Globe is out of the way in Switzerland but maybe I can take the train and stay a few days. That place sounds amazing.
The only issue is that I'm going to need to report on my trip with a few people and it's going to sound funny if I fly all the way to Germany and stay in places where there's nothing to do. I'll probably have to stay a few days in Berlin or Munich for cover.
I know I can map everything out on Google, but I figured plenty of guys here can give me a quick answer to help me out.
Thanks.The Munich area in September is difficult to find accommodations, they have a little party there and things tend to be sold out well in advance or the price will be through the roof. Maybe consider a wine and beer exploration along the Rhein River Valley. This can take you along Bonn (the Capital of former West Germany), The Lorelei area with many nice villages, Koblenz, Cologne, Dusseldorf and even further if you still have energy. Take a detour off the river and jump over to Trier, along the Mosel River, one of the furthest north Holy Roman Empire settlements and home of the Holy Robe and Black Gate. Travel north from Dusseldorf to Hanover and Bremen (in my opinion one of the most beautiful German cities at night) and enjoy some horse races in Hamburg. If I was going to design a pilgrimage it would start in Berlin, over to Prague, Austria, Switzerland, Stuttgart, Frankfurt and then follow the route I highlighted above. There are enough 30 minute detours for photo ops and hundreds if not thousands of places for a man to relax. If the larger tour was not possible then the route from Frankfurt to Hamburg. If you search, you can find a FKK Sauna Club overlay for Google Maps. The last one I have is not 100% up to date but still pretty accurate. You will see the route from the Rhein to Hamburg is full of opportunities to visit legit tourist sites and clubs. Others may argue that it would be better to start in Hamburg and work your way back to Frankfurt.
Hello,
I am planning my first trip ever to Germany and would like to spend a lot of time in FKK clubs.I would have my base in Frankfurt if I were you. Many clubs to choose from. I go to Germany for work but I choose football and Bundesliga as my excuse to extend my trips. Might want to look into that. There are possible daytrips to some nice tourist destinations from Frankfurt if you have a car.
Koblenz, Cochem and the Mosel valley is very nice.
Rothenburg ob der Tauber is also nice. I'm sure posters here can add a lot of suggestions.
Triptogamont
06-09-18, 15:09
Hello,
I am planning my first trip ever to Germany and would like to spend a lot of time in FKK clubs. What would be the best area to rent an airbnb to get the most out of my trip? I'll probably rent a car unless public transport is sufficient. My only goal is to sleep with as many sexy girls as possible. I know that Sharks and Oase are popular, so I'd like to visit those. I know Globe is out of the way in Switzerland but maybe I can take the train and stay a few days. That place sounds amazing.
The only issue is that I'm going to need to report on my trip with a few people and it's going to sound funny if I fly all the way to Germany and stay in places where there's nothing to do. I'll probably have to stay a few days in Berlin or Munich for cover.
I know I can map everything out on Google, but I figured plenty of guys here can give me a quick answer to help me out.
Thanks.I did exactly this a couple of times last year. I agree with McGrath in that I would stay in Frankfurt. From there you can do a lot of sightseeing for a couple of hours during the day. From Frankfurt, it's very easy to see places like Mainz, Wiesbaden, Aschaffenburg, etc, very quickly. Take a ton of pictures. Tell people all about it. Then spend the rest of your days and nights fucking beautiful girls at Oase, Sharks, etc.
Charlie Harper
06-14-18, 00:36
Hi guys,
Will be driving through NRW and Hessen this summer and not sure which clubs to go for, to many of them, and RTFF it turns into a blur. Will be following the World Cup, so only clubs covering the games are on the agenda. Wellness and garden facilities are important. Good LU essential. CBJ is a big no no.
Any clubs on my list to be avoided? Clubs to be added? Trip starts 22 June, that's when I arrive Hamburg. Rental car. No fixed return, will fly out only when properly done.
Proposed itinerary:
Day 1 Harmony Hamburg.
2 rest and travel.
3 YY.
4 not decided. GT? LR?
5 not decided. Babylon? ACA Velbert? DV?
6 Samya.
7 rest.
8 Finca E.
9-10 World, mostly to enjoy garden. Seems LU not great and only CBJ. But it's a must as I've always wanted too see the club.
11 Pams or Kaskade massage Frankfurt.
12 Dietzenbach.
13 rest.
14-16 Sharks.
17-18 possibly Sakura?
19 return to Hamburg with rental.
Thanks for your input!
Charlie.
ExpatLover
06-14-18, 20:37
Hi guys,
Will be driving through NRW and Hessen this summer and not sure which clubs to go for, to many of them, and RTFF it turns into a blur. Will be following the World Cup, so only clubs covering the games are on the agenda. Wellness and garden facilities are important. Good LU essential. CBJ is a big no no.
Any clubs on my list to be avoided? Clubs to be added? Trip starts 22 June, that's when I arrive Hamburg. Rental car. No fixed return, will fly out only when properly done.
Proposed itinerary:
Day 1 Harmony Hamburg.
2 rest and travel.
3 YY.
4 not decided. GT? LR?
5 not decided. Babylon? ACA Velbert? DV?.Better to do several visits in the same club the LU is changing day by day. My reco Samya, World, Oase, Shark and may be give a try to Flamingo for sure BBBJ, and perhaps Prestige or paradise Stuttgart.
MarquisdeSade1
06-14-18, 20:45
You mean the avg WG demographic can be even higher than 98% Romanian?
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/06/14/hungarian-pm-population-replacement-underway-europe-speculators-soros-profit/
MarquisdeSade1
06-15-18, 01:53
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/german-migration-drama-merkel-end_us_5b2291d7e4b0adfb8271eb13
Available hotels and tourist population may be affected by Frankfurt events. Here is a link to what's happening there in 2018:
https://www.messefrankfurt.com/content/dam/messefrankfurt-redaktion/corporate/downloads/MF-Kal_A4_FFM_2018_E.pdf
Charlie: I don't know if Samya is showing the world cup. Never seen sports on their TV's. Oceans on the other hand always show sports.
Hi guys,
Will be driving through NRW and Hessen this summer and not sure which clubs to go for, to many of them, and RTFF it turns into a blur. Will be following the World Cup, so only clubs covering the games are on the agenda. Wellness and garden facilities are important. Good LU essential. CBJ is a big no no.
Any clubs on my list to be avoided? Clubs to be added? Trip starts 22 June, that's when I arrive Hamburg. Rental car. No fixed return, will fly out only when properly done.
Proposed itinerary:
Day 1 Harmony Hamburg.
2 rest and travel.
3 YY.
4 not decided. GT? LR?
5 not decided. Babylon? ACA Velbert? DV?
6 Samya.I know that LR is known as a Football viewing club, showing games on the TV in the tent outside. Some Bears even complain because football is about all they show. Yesterday there was an overflow viewing area set up in a second tent on the lower patio. They just resumed serving alcohol today, the kinos are said to be reopening and I expect some ladies will return now that business should start picking up again.
Charlie: I don't know if Samya is showing the world cup. Never seen sports on their TV's. Oceans on the other hand always show sports.Samya plays Bundesliga games in the cinema on the top floor. They play every FC Koln game so I'm sure World Cup will also be shown.
Samya plays Bundesliga games in the cinema on the top floor. They play every FC Koln game so I'm sure World Cup will also be shown.Of course. Only time I ever was in that cinema was looking for where you were sleeping.
MarquisdeSade1
06-16-18, 07:53
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-terror-attack-sex-club-thwarted-police-say-swingers-club-bomb-plot/
Samya plays Bundesliga games in the cinema on the top floor. They play every FC Koln game so I'm sure World Cup will also be shown.For sure, World cup will be played at Samya and in most of clubs. I have to worry about France Formula 1 race.
Hi guys,
Will be driving through NRW and Hessen this summer and not sure which clubs to go for, to many of them, and RTFF it turns into a blur. Will be following the World Cup, so only clubs covering the games are on the agenda. Wellness and garden facilities are important. Good LU essential. CBJ is a big no no.
Any clubs on my list to be avoided? Clubs to be added? Trip starts 22 June, that's when I arrive Hamburg. Rental car. No fixed return, will fly out only when properly done..I advised You also Atmos Hamburg on a Friday or Saturday. Same for Harmony Seevetal.
Bab Elsdorf worth a visit for Lulu, Mary, Jeni and other fresh beauties.
Sharks is the best casting at the moment with standard BBBJ and DFK, usually better to start DFK and BJ after, but can also be enjoyable to keep on kissing after. No upselling for my experiences.
Unfortunately, GT, LR and YY castings are quite average at the moment. Some beauties at Samya, but real DFK and BBBJ are not so standard. Can often find fresh beauties at Aca Velbert.
Enjoy Worldcup and beauties.
Citizen Kane
06-16-18, 22:46
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Now that you say it. In that case it's possibly related to the message above.
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Citizen Kane
06-17-18, 12:22
Now that you say it. In that case it's possibly related to the message above.And it's back again...
Hey guys,
I will be in Frankfurt next week. Visiting Sharks, Oase, and an escort who is flexible with her schedule. Which days would be ideal to visit Sharks and Oase.
I will have from Sunday night until Tuesday midnight to visit these places.
TankTank123
06-20-18, 06:48
Bab Elsdorf worth a visit for Lulu, Mary, Jeni and other fresh beauties.How was your session with Lulu? I have not tried her, but according to the numerous reports about her in the Babylon website, most of them are very negative, stating that she was a chronic upseller and overcharger. If you say she is good, I will try her next week.
In the Sharks thread, you mentioned Ruby of World has moved there. Ruby I have tried. Also an upseller, minimal starfish service, and she was together with friends who were time-cheaters. She did not get a chance to cheat me on time, as I had already abandoned the room early due to the boring time and upselling. Did you have a good time with Ruby? Or with Flavia?
For fans, very slim Ruby ex World is also back. With Paloma ex World and sophisticated look Flavia
How was your session with Lulu? I have not tried her, but according to the numerous reports about her in the Babylon website, most of them are very negative, stating that she was a chronic upseller and overcharger. If you say she is good, I will try her next week.
In the Sharks thread, you mentioned Ruby of World has moved there. Ruby I have tried. Also an upseller, minimal starfish service, and she was together with friends who were time-cheaters. She did not get a chance to cheat me on time, as I had already abandoned the room early due to the boring time and upselling. Did you have a good time with Ruby? Or with Flavia?First, Lulu, Albanian German born, attracted me with her cute smile, not a top beauty, nor top class girl, but cute face body. No upselling with me, real will to please me after she apologized for her liquid in my face, but of course it was only my fault, I could taste. 100 for 1 h and big smile. She is more cute for me than Mary who can become crazy in bed.
If you like their look, both worth a try, nothing exceptional, but lovely girls.
At Sharks, A German I know, told me he enjoyed with Ruby, she is not my type, I don't even remember her from World. I advised Paloma to a French guy after he was disappointed with Flavia, he is attracted by very slim girls, I prefer round ass and pretty face. I never tried Paloma, but he enjoyed with her. Flavia is more attractive because more sophisticated for me, but she couldn't compete for look and class with who I should have only had rooms on last week end. I wish she will wait as she said.
Hey guys,
I will be in Frankfurt next week. Visiting Sharks, Oase, and an escort who is flexible with her schedule. Which days would be ideal to visit Sharks and Oase.
I will have from Sunday night until Tuesday midnight to visit these places.Sharks Sunday for the largest Sunday line up in Hessen.
On Monday, at Oase if sunny and hot to enjoy the outdoor scene and perhaps a poolside BJ. Both clubs will be weak on Monday but I think Sharks has a slightly better Monday line up due a larger number of girls working. Perhaps that would be a good escort meeting day?
I think Tuesday is an awful day at Sharks. It's the "lingerie" day and it seems that all the fat girls always work on that day. Oase will be light during the day shift but some of the higher optic girls arrive around 4-5 pm. It's a buyer's market on Tuesday nights for sure.
Sharks Sunday for the largest Sunday line up in Hessen.
On Monday, at Oase if sunny and hot to enjoy the outdoor scene and perhaps a poolside BJ. Both clubs will be weak on Monday but I think Sharks has a slightly better Monday line up due a larger number of girls working. Perhaps that would be a good escort meeting day?
I think Tuesday is an awful day at Sharks. It's the "lingerie" day and it seems that all the fat girls always work on that day. Oase will be light during the day shift but some of the higher optic girls arrive around 4-5 pm. It's a buyer's market on Tuesday nights for sure.Thanks!
Will follow your advice.
TankTank123
06-22-18, 03:57
First, Lulu, Albanian German born, attracted me with her cute smile, not a top beauty, nor top class girl, but cute face body. No upselling with me, real will to please me after she apologized for her liquid in my face, but of course it was only my fault, I could taste. 100 for 1 h and big smile. She is more cute for me than Mary who can become crazy in bed. If you like their look, both worth a try, nothing exceptional, but lovely girls.
At Sharks, A German I know, told me he enjoyed with Ruby, she is not my type, I don't even remember her from World. I advised Paloma to a French guy after he was disappointed with Flavia, he is attracted by very slim girls, I prefer round ass and pretty face. I never tried Paloma, but he enjoyed with her.Thank you for the reply. I will try to get Lulu next week then, and also avoid Flavia although I find her face and body very attractive!
I have already tried to get Mary during my last visit to Babylon in April when Mary was new; but Mary was fully booked and I went with her sister Georgina instead.
Last year was the first time I saw Ruby in World, so if you have really not been to World in the last 2 years (as you wrote in one of your recent posts) then you would not have seen Ruby there.
Paloma gives very very good service. She was 'skinny' Karina at World where I first sessioned with her before she moved to Sharks.
Thank you for the reply. I will try to get Lulu next week then, and also avoid Flavia although I find her face and body very attractive!
I have already tried to get Mary during my last visit to Babylon in April when Mary was new; but Mary was fully booked and I went with her sister Georgina instead.
Last year was the first time I saw Ruby in World, so if you have really not been to World in the last 2 years (as you wrote in one of your recent posts) then you would not have seen Ruby there.
Paloma gives very very good service. She was 'skinny' Karina at World where I first sessioned with her before she moved to Sharks.French guy to who I advised Paloma, even I never experienced her because not my look type but always heard good things about her, so I told him I never tried her, but she is said to be good and she is his type like Flavia and Nea back. He is a regular of Flavia, he was with her and enjoyed her on Friday, he was just disappointed on Saturday and again when she went again and he repeated, I think he was frustrated not so enjoyable than on Friday, why I advised him to have a better time for last room and he enjoyed Paloma, but I don't say Flavia is not good, I never tried her, he enjoyed her on Friday, repeated twice on Saturday and was frustrated twice, his experiences, not mine, and it s always subjective.
When I m attracted by a girl, I don t care about what is said about her, I just go, even when she doesn't speak English, because I like when only eyes, smiles, hands and caresses, speak. Then no lies. Girls can be different with different guys, I think we have to make the girl being good for us, willing to please us, to thank us from our behavior with her.
I was said by a local and a Hessen regular that very slim, curly blond hair Ruby was at World years ago, before her 2 years break, why I told never noticed her at World, also not my type, I preferred my perfect round ass. I also never noticed Paloma / Karina at World. Flavia is more sophisticated and attractive look for me, and can t say about her behavior, just other guy experience.
I think my last visit at World was on end of 2016 , for Amira, Anjelina and a tall, white skin with long chestnut hair and beautiful green eyes who was new and top GFE. I promised her I would come back, but when I was not allowed to drive in Germany, impossible for me to go to World, at the end of the world, without car. Then, when I was allowed again, I found at LR my best FKK girl until now.
When I was at Bab on a Saturday, arriving at 7 pm, I thought Mary would be very busy so I missed Canada Formula 1 tries to go with her, but despite her many smiles, I could take all my time, and get her after. She was not full busy.
Slim Bella with short blond, pink hair was also there, but no Claudia nor ex Tatiana LR. Lulu and her blond friend were there.
I'm posting this here as nobody seems to check the thread Germany. Other areas, where I first posted it.
I've been to the area of Essen, Duisburg, Bochum etc many times but am now bored with the area and the mongering scene there, which seems to have gone downhill, especially regarding the quantity / quality of ladies in the Laufhausen!
I was thinking of checking out the Saarland area, as it appears from my research that for a small area there are a lot of good looking working ladies and many clubs. Probably because it's near to Luxembourg / France? So I was thinking of visiting Trier, Trierwiler, Saaerlouis and Saarbrucken for example. Does anyone have experience of this area? I'm don't just mean FKK clubs, as I prefer a more informal club / private apartment if possible. And am more interested in curvy types, especially Latinas if possible. Also, are there any good Laufhausen in the area worth visiting? Thanks for any advice you can give!
Monger Longer
06-23-18, 01:27
So, I'll be in Frankfurt in a few weeks on a Tuesday and I want to visit an FKK. My first was Samya in Cologne last December and clearly I enjoyed it. I was set on Sharks, but have read multiple reviews that it's lingerie night and it brings out the fatties. With that said, what is my best option of what's left for a Tuesday afternoon to night? I think Oase is too far with no train even though it looks great. Maybe another trip. Palace or Manhattan? My gut says Palace or take my chances with Sharks. What do you think?
UltraHappy
06-23-18, 03:13
So, I'll be in Frankfurt in a few weeks on a Tuesday and I want to visit an FKK. My first was Samya in Cologne last December and clearly I enjoyed it. I was set on Sharks, but have read multiple reviews that it's lingerie night and it brings out the fatties. With that said, what is my best option of what's left for a Tuesday afternoon to night? I think Oase is too far with no train even though it looks great. Maybe another trip. Palace or Manhattan? My gut says Palace or take my chances with Sharks. What do you think?I would refer you to this post: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3225-FKK-Sharks-Darmstadt&p=2195073&viewfull=1#post2195073.
Hi guys, need some help. In Hessen, for natural girls 23 years with no silicone I go to Sharks. Where would I go in NRW to find the same?
Thanks!
So, I'll be in Frankfurt in a few weeks on a Tuesday and I want to visit an FKK. My first was Samya in Cologne last December and clearly I enjoyed it. I was set on Sharks, but have read multiple reviews that it's lingerie night and it brings out the fatties. With that said, what is my best option of what's left for a Tuesday afternoon to night? I think Oase is too far with no train even though it looks great. Maybe another trip. Palace or Manhattan? My gut says Palace or take my chances with Sharks. What do you think?Even on a slow Tuesday, slowest day of the week, you should find a few pretty girls at Sharks, due to casting quality at the moment. August can be slower.
Monger Longer
06-28-18, 15:20
Even on a slow Tuesday, slowest day of the week, you should find a few pretty girls at Sharks, due to casting quality at the moment. August can be slower.Good to hear! Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Sharks Sunday for the largest Sunday line up in Hessen.
On Monday, at Oase if sunny and hot to enjoy the outdoor scene and perhaps a poolside BJ. Both clubs will be weak on Monday but I think Sharks has a slightly better Monday line up due a larger number of girls working. Perhaps that would be a good escort meeting day?
I think Tuesday is an awful day at Sharks. It's the "lingerie" day and it seems that all the fat girls always work on that day. Oase will be light during the day shift but some of the higher optic girls arrive around 4-5 pm. It's a buyer's market on Tuesday nights for sure.Update:
Just finished my trip.
Sunday- Sharks: not the best casting but I would considered it highly acceptable. However, found a rare gem that day. Her looks 7-8, but her "techniques" by far the best I have had. 3 shots in 90 min (personal record xD).
Monday-Escort: my first session with a porn star (I think former). Surprisingly, she looked way better than her videos. Probably lost 10-15 kg.
Tuesday- Oase: total shit show, 10-20 guys and 30-40 girls. Girls were very aggressive, took it way too personally when declined. Average looks 2-4.
CorporateMalaya
07-02-18, 17:09
Are there any reports of racisim, with asian customers been turned away. I am planning for my FKK pilgrimage and am an Indian Monger (brown skinned) who sticks close to his turf Dubai, Thailand and Macao. Would be a disaster, if that would happen.
Experienced ISG's kindly reply or PM me, Would be very grateful.
I'll be in Frankfurt for some days in July and I was wondering if you can suggest some club (I will already be going to the top clubs like Oase, Sharks, World) in the Hessen area where CIM is not extra, not necessarily a pauschalclub type (I only know treff188 around Frankfurt and from what I've read it's pretty terrible) but also something like Dietzenbach. Thank you very much.
FunExplorer
07-05-18, 10:39
Are there any reports of racisim, with asian customers been turned away. I am planning for my FKK pilgrimage and am an Indian Monger (brown skinned) who sticks close to his turf Dubai, Thailand and Macao. Would be a disaster, if that would happen.
Experienced ISG's kindly reply or PM me, Would be very grateful.There is no racism as you fear. After all girls are interested in money. In fact, you find lot of Asians and there is nothing to bother about your origin.
ExpatLover
07-05-18, 21:00
I'll be in Frankfurt for some days in July and I was wondering if you can suggest some club (I will already be going to the top clubs like Oase, Sharks, World) in the Hessen area where CIM is not extra, not necessarily a pauschalclub type (I only know treff188 around Frankfurt and from what I've read it's pretty terrible) but also something like Dietzenbach. Thank you very much.CIM is a extra in each club or brothel.
Are there any reports of racisim, with asian customers been turned away. I am planning for my FKK pilgrimage and am an Indian Monger (brown skinned) who sticks close to his turf Dubai, Thailand and Macao. Would be a disaster, if that would happen.
Experienced ISG's kindly reply or PM me, Would be very grateful.If you have dark skin India look, you may have problem at GT or some Dus area clubs. But for Frankfurt area, there is no problem at all.
Are there any reports of racisim, with asian customers been turned away. I am planning for my FKK pilgrimage and am an Indian Monger (brown skinned) who sticks close to his turf Dubai, Thailand and Macao. Would be a disaster, if that would happen.
Experienced ISG's kindly reply or PM me, Would be very grateful.Chances are, if you have been to Macau (or China), you have experienced far more racism than at the worst German FKK on the matter.
MarquisdeSade1
07-06-18, 09:07
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/opinion/angela-merkel-germany-immigration-european-union.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
MarquisdeSade1
07-07-18, 08:19
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/06/world/europe/europe-borders-nationalism-identity.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Hi,
Will be making my 1st trip for a week in the end of July. Visiting Frankfurt and Duss.
Plan is to visit Mainhattan, Palace, Oase, Sharks, World, Oceans, Acapulco Gold, Living Room, Golden Time.
Does the above list look OK or would you recommend to stay away from some of the above clubs and try different ones?
Will be renting a car. Can you guys tell me if the clubs have parking on site or does one need to find parking away from the clubs.
What would you guys recommend is the best time to get to the club so as to get the girls both the afternoon and the evening shift.
Also had a question on the extra charge for anal. Reading thru the forums its seems like it either an extra 50 or 100. Whats the normal rate or it all depends on the girl?
Also reading thru the forums it usually recommended not to tip the girls. Coming from the usa I am used to tipping. So what's the normal practice tip or no tipping?
Thanks.
Why go to all the tourist traps where girls will upsell you to the bone for anything more than CBJ? (so avoid Palace, Mainhatten, Sharks, Aca Gold, Oceans, etc).
If it is your first time to the German FKK / Sauna scene, you probably will think all is beter than a lousy lapdance, but please, be critical of what you get.
Of course you must visit a few larger clubs, to get in the mood, then go to Oase and / or Golden Time. Then go to more intimate clubs like Sakura, Finca Erotica and / or Living Room (and see the service and attitude of the girls increase). And finally visit a few of the smaller service clubs like Babylon, Saunaclub Venus, Bernds and / or Luder Lounge, and you have a complete picture of the landscape and are better prepared for next time.
Parking normally is not a problem at the clubs mentioned. Best time frame to visit depends per club, see respective threads in this forum.
In NRW CIM / CIF is +25 en A-level is +50. In Hessen and further south it is double (so +50 resp +100).
Enjoy and report back please!
BigBuddy69
07-08-18, 13:16
I don't get why you say Aca gold is a tourist trap. Only one girl tried to upsell me 10 euros for Catholic stuff, I politely said that I've been paying 40 euros for 5 years here and I don't intend to change, and she agreed on the normal price.
Kosher Kowboy
07-08-18, 13:22
Hi,
Will be making my 1st trip for a week in the end of July.
Plan is to visit Mainhattan, Palace, Oase, Sharks, World, Oceans, Acapulco Gold, Living Room, Golden Time.
Also reading thru the forums it usually recommended not to tip the girls. Coming from the usa I am used to tipping. So what's the normal practice tip or no tipping?
Good itinerary and varied. However Maxime makes some good points about avoiding some tourist traps especially your first time there. It might be best for you to go to less pressure clubs based on the fact you tip in the USA?
Why? Because they ask? Tipping is NOT normal in the United States. Fucking hookers in the USA does not require tipping and I don't care what they put on their websites such as ' tips appreciated' or ' tips not required but appreciated' or ' in lieu of tips I accept gift cards to Macy's' and so on.
The best tip you can give a hooker in the USA is a repeat visit. Seriously, if they ask for a tip they are quite nice if you say ' I do not tip rather I show my appreciation by returning' and the guys who do that also get better service in the long run.
Well I hope you love Germany and make it your new home to monger as I have one of the reasons being the USA sucks, the girls ask too much and guys tip them!
I find getting to the clubs early is best as there is always a LU to my liking and if you come from the same sex prison country as I you too will be more than pleased with any LU whenever you enter. Between 4-7 at most clubs you will see the night shifts rolling in, I like to get to a club around 12 or 1 and split usually 10 PM -1 AM; gives me plenty of time for all options and I am not one to stay out late anymore.
As to tipping in Germany others can chime in, I just respectfully hope you cut that out here. They are not servers or bartenders, they are hookers who already ask too much.
Respectully
KK
I have no idea why the poster below me would call Sharks less of a tourist trap than Oase. But both clubs can be worth a visit just for the sake of having seen the two most hyped clubs. But be wise with your wallet so you can return with a happy mind later on.
Having Aca Gold on the list is probably not a good idea. Acapulco in Velbert on the other hand is ten times better. It is a run down place though, but great and cheap.
Mainhatten is rumored to be the biggest tourist trap in the frankfurt area after the new regulations, so perhaps a good idea to skip that one.
Palace is not as bad in terms of service allways as the reputation states. At least if you know who the mines are. But I wouldn't go there during the hottest summer months. Better check it out between Oct. -Apr.
GoldenTime is not a place for me. But I guess it depends on what type of girls you like. It has the oldest average age on girls out of all the German FKK's I've been to. And girls are in average taller than anywhere else also. LivingRoom may be better out of the two. Only go to GoldenTime if you want to watch sports in the couch outside.
Oceans I like ofcourse, but also there as at Sharks and Oase, be wise and don't allways go for the first and best, and don't say it is your first time there. But seeing it for the size and shows can be fun.
If you have a few days in addition to the bigger clubs, and don't want to go to the great two clubs samya / yy which is semi big, and clubs that fall in between, do as the poster below says and check out some service oriented clubs like babylon / sixsense / finca erotica (no idea about venus or bernds).
This is what you need to be happy from an Acapulco Gold visit:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acapulco_Gold
Why go to all the tourist traps where girls will upsell you to the bone for anything more than CBJ? (so avoid Palace, Mainhatten, Sharks, Aca Gold, Oceans, etc).
If it is your first time to the German FKK / Sauna scene, you probably will think all is beter than a lousy lapdance, but please, be critical of what you get.
Of course you must visit a few larger clubs, to get in the mood, then go to Oase and / or Golden Time. Then go to more intimate clubs like Sakura, Finca Erotica and / or Living Room (and see the service and attitude of the girls increase). And finally visit a few of the smaller service clubs like Babylon, Saunaclub Venus, Bernds and / or Luder Lounge, and you have a complete picture of the landscape and are better prepared for next time.
Parking normally is not a problem at the clubs mentioned. Best time frame to visit depends per club, see respective threads in this forum.
In NRW CIM / CIF is +25 en A-level is +50. In Hessen and further south it is double (so +50 resp +100).
Enjoy and report back please!DFK and BBBJ were still standard for my end of 2017 and 2018 visits at Sharks, with no upselling, when some new girls at LR are now on average level = baby kiss and CBJ, with average looks. Times changed.
Venus and Bernds are clubs for AO with ugly girls.
BigBuddy69
07-08-18, 14:52
I totally agree with my friend from Texas, I don't want to tip someone who makes more money than me. Sometimes I bring them little gifts but never a tip.
Hi,
I'll have a long weekend in Düsseldorf, I am a young guy, don't mind spending full days chilling, and I'm more into exotic (Latin and African) ladies.
I've already done sharks and living room and had a good time at both.
What do you guys think of the following itinerary?
Thursday: Acapulco.
Friday: samya, or oase?
Saturday: golden time.
Sunday: Babylon.
Monday: nothing as lu seems to suck everywhere.
What do you guys think? Is golden time still any good? Is Oase any good still or has it truly slipped? How is the scene at Babylon? What small, Livingroom-esque clubs would you guys suggest? Thank you.
BigBuddy69
07-08-18, 20:10
You can forget African or Latin ladies at Acapulco. There may be one Asian in the club.
Kosher Kowboy
07-08-18, 20:24
I totally agree with my friend from Texas, I don't want to tip someone who makes more money than me. Sometimes I bring them little gifts but never a tip.I got bit in the butt with the gifts, my staff of appreciative Gypsies now expects and some even ask for gifts. At least the gifts are little as you say and nothing large. But it makes them happy so I bring them, they cost me nothing.
Also reading thru the forums it usually recommended not to tip the girls. Coming from the usa I am used to tipping. So what's the normal practice tip or no tipping?
Thanks.I feel kind of bad now. Perhaps you see a segment of the market here where tipping is part of the game and I am casting the rules of playing in the gutter on you. You ask a legit question and I see this is your first post so I should be welcoming you and behaving like a southern gentleman. I personally never leave a tip in the USA.
I think what you read in the forums as you state above is probably accurate. Usually not normal but I guess exceptions exist. My first session ever was a double and I got hustled for a 20 e tip, for each of them. A 100 e session cost me 140 e. That was it for getting hosed though. I have been guilty of leaving a tip on my own though. I've caved in and tipped Mandy each time I see her she is the only one I have tipped without getting hosed or for providing an additional service or done me a favor. I have tipped a girl who gave me AO before who didn't charge for such. I have also tipped a girl who wears a red towel and sucks me bareback for the base rate of 50 e, usually I give her 10 e, but IMO it is a small reward for risking and getting the wrath of the Mafia she has to lie to as is the arrangement we have where she gets a 20 e note for every girl she brings me that blows me bareback for the base rate of 50 e. Kind of a finders fee. And a few times I have tipped one of the Gypsies simply because I only had a 50 in my locker and I felt horrible she had to make change to give me a measly 10 e after getting all the works for 40 e. Jewish guilt I'll call it, inherited from my maternal grandmother!
Welcome aboard and enjoy your trip. I will actually be there end of July as well (itinerary decided day to day) and as a general rule of thumb if you see any Texas Mongers in the club it is ok to tip them, they happily accept whatever handouts come their way, we learned that from the Gypsies.
Polyamorist
07-09-18, 00:01
I totally agree with my friend from Texas, I don't want to tip someone who makes more money than me. Sometimes I bring them little gifts but never a tip.Salaam, Sayyid Buddy. True. A gift is more personal. A girl will remember you better if you leave a 5 E gift than a 20 E tip. A guy who tips is not buying love, he is just driving up prices.
It is the same in travelling through poor countries where tipping is non-standard. If you leave a big tip, they don't necessarily feel gratitude, they may even feel envy. "If that is what the gringo can afford to pay, well, the next gringo will pay the same!
Thanks for all the feedback guys. Really appreciate it.
As to tipping in Germany others can chime in, I just respectfully hope you cut that out here. They are not servers or bartenders, they are hookers who already ask too much.Point taken no tips given on my trip.
Then go to more intimate clubs like Sakura, Finca Erotica and / or Living Room (and see the service and attitude of the girls increase). And finally visit a few of the smaller service clubs like Babylon, Saunaclub Venus, Bernds and / or Luder Lounge, and you have a complete picture of the landscape and are better prepared for next time.
GoldenTime is not a place for me. But I guess it depends on what type of girls you like. It has the oldest average age on girls out of all the German FKK's I've been to. And girls are in average taller than anywhere else also.
If you have a few days in addition to the bigger clubs, and don't want to go to the great two clubs samya / yy which is semi big, and clubs that fall in between, do as the poster below says and check out some service oriented clubs like babylon / sixsense / finca erotica (no idea about venus or bernds).Will put Babylon and Samya on my list.
As for the others places you guys mentioned went thru the forums and couldn't find any recent posts about them. So I guess like you mentioned these must be non-touristy places and so not much feedback.
How is the LU at these places?
My type would be slim and in the 20's with good optics.
Considering my type which FKKs would you guys recommend where a good majority of the girls fit the above criteria.
Thanks.
Thanks for all the feedback guys. Really appreciate it.
Point taken no tips given on my trip.
Will put Babylon and Samya on my list.
As for the others places you guys mentioned went thru the forums and couldn't find any recent posts about them. So I guess like you mentioned these must be non-touristy places and so not much feedback.
How is the LU at these places?
My type would be slim and in the 20's with good optics.
Considering my type which FKKs would you guys recommend where a good majority of the girls fit the above criteria.
Thanks.This forum has just a few recurrent posters. Don't think for a second it is a good indicator. Apart from sharks / Oase at least.
And as for your question regarding girls: most clubs. At least those mentioned here. But lesser optics perhaps in the higher service clubs in general. Like Siri mentions. But it is not a rule without exceptions thankfully.
You can forget African or Latin ladies at Acapulco. There may be one Asian in the club.My last visit to Aca I saw two larger African ladies and a couple older ladies who speak Spanish with each other. I'm sure you can ask many of the younger ladies if they are Italian or Spanish and you will find some who say yes. Some have even taken a vow to never speak Romanian in a club again and moved to a new club so they can continue the Italian Job.
Hi,
I'll have a long weekend in Dsseldorf, I am a young guy, don't mind spending full days chilling, and I'm more into exotic (Latin and African) ladies.
I've already done sharks and living room and had a good time at both.
What do you guys think of the following itinerary?
Thursday: Acapulco..My advice: best casting days at Bab Elsdorf are Thursday and Friday.
Best casting day at GT Bruggen is Friday.
Saturday is good for Samya after 6 pm, or Aca.
Oase casting is average for me.
For black girls, few at Bab and used to have some at PHG.
KrossHair. The information from other posters has been excellent.
As for specific lineups and good optics, you will have to take your chances as it depends on day of week, time of day, your taste, and so on. Given your preference for good optics you might be best off sticking to the main Hesse clubs as they have largest lineup, plus maybe Samya or Mondial in the Koln area. If you are willing to take a chance on the lineup I would suggest Finca as you could call in on the way between Hesse and NRW. Babylon is slightly more of a risk lineup wise and is more of a detour. Bernds is unlikely to suit you, GT (and even Living Room) have a higher average age as Pistons says.
Maxime makes the excellent point that the less touristy clubs offer a higher possibility of better service. I personally always prefer this option. It does however require a bit more risk on optics as lineups tend to be smaller.
I would also suggest you read Kosher Kowboy's excellent report in the Mainhatten thread on how to get the best out of a club. Basically, establish yourself as an experienced practitioner, take your time, find a decent girl and repeat,. This approach works best if you severely restrict the number of clubs you visit, maybe to just a couple.
If you are interested in optics remember that most NRW (north of Babylon a nd Finca) clubs are not naked, but sauna clubs.
Everybody will have different views of what suits them.
Tipping: really not appropriate in Germany generally. Tipping girls just indicates you are a soft option and have more money, as Polyamorist says. Having said that I do make a gift of money several times a year, but only where a girl gives me superb service, "free" time, and I know her well.
Have a good trip
What they say here on tipping is not true. Tipping in Germany is being done by perhaps a third. It is not as widespread as in USA, and the amount is lower. But if you feel service was excellent, an extra 5 doesn't hurt. It also supports honest girls who does their best in competition with the mediocre ones who don't care. And won't get a tip. But don't give 20's.
I also don't agree with Optimist on the optics side between Hessen and NRW. You can find just as many hot optics girls at the NRW clubs as in Hessen. But maybe not in the clubs Optimist visits. And they are a bit more spread out between the larger number of clubs. And lineups are in general smaller.
HeyyyyyyPaul
07-09-18, 17:33
Venus and Bernds are clubs for AO with ugly girls.This is just putting down the RTC clubs for no good reason. The last time I was there, the top 2 or 3 at Venus was equivalent to an above average girl at Sharks in terms of face.
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Venus and Bernds are clubs for AO with ugly girls.For Bernds I agree, for Venus: I ment Saunaclub Venus in Hamminkeln (small but excellent lineup!) NOT Villa Venus, the RTC / AO joint in Duisburg!
Pistons. I agree that the optics are as good overall between NRW and Hessen. I do not want to re-ignite the sterile debate about NRW Vs Hessen.
I think you missed the preface to my comments, saying that given Krosshair's requirements, particularly interested in the younger age range, the large Hessen clubs would give him more options. As you say yourself, GT has an average age much older than Hessen clubs: doesn't mean the optics aren't as good, it just depends on one's criteria. I have found some of the most beautiful women I have seen to be in GT. but they were older than Krosshair is aiming for.
You make my point for me when you say in NRW the lineups are generally smaller and the top optics need a little more finding. This is exactly what I said. If one is after girls in their 20s with good optics, there is more chance of finding them in a single Hessen club than in a single one of the (usually) smaller NRW clubs with slightly older girls.
I am not sure why you think we disagree. It seems to me we are saying exactly the same thing. Which would be nice
Given the clubs I frequent, actually the optics are better in NRW lol. But that is irrelevant to Krosshair's request
Clubs like Oceans, Acapulco and even Samya has a younger average age than Oase has at times. Or they are about at the same level age wise. YY and DV has about the same age at Oase too. Maybe plus one year.
While some of the mentioned 'service clubs' in NRW has a higher average age. Plus GT which is neighter service nor young optics.
Member #4581
07-09-18, 23:12
What they say here on tipping is not true. Tipping in Germany is being done by perhaps a third. It is not as widespread as in USA, and the amount is lower. But if you feel service was excellent, an extra 5 doesn't hurt. It also supports honest girls who does their best in competition with the mediocre ones who don't care. And won't get a tip. But don't give 20's.
.While I love my home country, tipping is definitely an area where I think the practice in the US is degenerative.
First, the employers in some industries don't pay the true market rate to their employees. Then somehow it evolved into "you should tip because that's how they get paid, you cheapo". Then popular culture latches onto this idea - stand up comics, movies, TV shows, you name it. If you are a bad tipper (meaning at least 18% to 20%) you are worse than a porn addict, a prostitute or a ped0phile. In today's sensitive culture, it might be taboo to make fun of disabled people, fat people, cross dressing people, uneducated people, what have you — but it is never verboten to ridicule a bad tipper.
So, these days most people tip because of fear of being ridiculed. I saw a study which said almost hundred percent of people tip more when they are with someone than when they eat alone, and tip more in places where they are likely to be known faces.
All of this means the true cost of employment was passed onto the customer in an indirect manner. Price is optically lower, employer pays employee less, but customer has to make up employeee salary, and the true price paid by customer is more than stated on the rate card.
When tipping is mandatory and has to be given regardless of service level and customer happiness about service, tipping has lost its meaning.
For Bernds I agree, for Venus: I ment Saunaclub Venus in Hamminkeln (small but excellent lineup!) NOT Villa Venus, the RTC / AO joint in Duisburg!Sorry for my mistake, never heard before about FKK Venus. Where is Hamminkeln?
This is just putting down the RTC clubs for no good reason. The last time I was there, the top 2 or 3 at Venus was equivalent to an above average girl at Sharks in terms of face.At Venus I don't know, or at very small Villa Venus?
I do not want to re-ignite the sterile debate about NRW Vs Hessen.
I'm pretty confident in saying that the top 10,25,50, amd 100 girls in all NRW clubs can compete with the top 10/25/50/100 girls in the Hessen Big 5 clubs.
I'm pretty confident in saying that the top 10,25,50, amd 100 girls in all NRW clubs can compete with the top 10/25/50/100 girls in the Hessen Big 5 clubs.Yep. Dead right. They are just spread out over a few more clubs in NRW.
Clubs like Oceans, Acapulco and even Samya has a younger average age than Oase has at times. Or they are about at the same level age wise. YY and DV has about the same age at Oase too. Maybe plus one year.
While some of the mentioned 'service clubs' in NRW has a higher average age. Plus GT which is neighter service nor young optics.Agreed. I am sure we have totally confused Krosshair :)
Rogue Nation
07-10-18, 12:55
While I love my home country, tipping is definitely an area where I think the practice in the US is degenerative.
First, the employers in some industries don't pay the true market rate to their employees. Then somehow it evolved into "you should tip because that's how they get paid, you cheapo". Totally agree. It is sick to pay a waiter 2, 3 or 4 $ per hour and tell the guest to make up for the difference to minimum wage by tipping. I'the rather see the all in price on a menu including all taxes and service as I do in most European countries. Then I can decide to tip in a 5-10% range. Without having to.
Girls in clubs get a tip of 10€ in a 30 min session or maybe 20€ in a 60 min session if service was extraordinary and no extras taken or upsold.
Sorry for my mistake, never heard before about FKK Venus. Where is Hamminkeln?Close to the Dutch border: https://goo.gl/maps/VsxQRq1DDS12.
Banana Boi
07-11-18, 05:16
Sorry for my mistake, never heard before about FKK Venus. Where is Hamminkeln?https://www.facebook.com/pg/SaunaClubHamminkeln/photos/?ref=page_internal
My advice: best casting days at Bab Elsdorf are Thursday and Friday.
Best casting day at GT Bruggen is Friday.
Saturday is good for Samya after 6 pm, or Aca.
Oase casting is average for me.
For black girls, few at Bab and used to have some at PHG.Hey,
Thanks for this advice!
Babylon seems to be a bit different in that they go for whatever wherever however and I also heard it's much older clientele. But I'd like to mix up the FKK experience a bit. How is the lineup at Babylon?
Where is the best place on a Sunday?
And which FKK has the outdoor pool? I lost track of it. Thank you again.
Hey,
Thanks for this advice!
Babylon seems to be a bit different in that they go for whatever wherever however and I also heard it's much older clientele. But I'd like to mix up the FKK experience a bit. How is the lineup at Babylon?
Where is the best place on a Sunday?
And which FKK has the outdoor pool? I lost track of it. Thank you again.On Sunday, I would advice GT or Sharks. After GT, you can move to LR for only 35 € more, for midnight pizza, asking on GT desk a discount ticket for LR, when you leave.
For outdoor swimming pool, YY NL, or PHG with black girls, or Bab Elsdorf, or Dolce Vita, or Sharks, or Oase, or World, or Finca, or Mainhattan.
For woman types, GT or YY. Same for highest average level in bed.
For fresh beauties, Samya or Aca.
FKK land is still a enjoyable playfield, BBBJ is still quite standard, 1 year after the end of FKK world. Girls and pimps will always need our money.
When tipping is mandatory and has to be given regardless of service level and customer happiness about service, tipping has lost its meaning.FKK customers who declare they want to pay "50 EUR for 30 minute room" are forced to pay regardless of service level. This was not always the case. You hear examples of WGs deliberately sabotaging the session and cutting time at 15 minutes. Rather than punishing the WG or mongers collectively labeling the WG as a bad apple, many ISGers demonize their fellow mongers as "cheapos". Or sympathize with the WG, "Its inflation. Rates haven't gone up in 15 years". But I'd just like to point out that the rate card still officially says "30 minutes".
The other new norm is customers are forced to commit to minimum 100 EUR /60 min with WGs they are sessioning for the first time. What happened to trial run first 20 minutes, then let the customer decide if he wishes to extend beyond 30 minutes?
Both seem like a degenerative processes to me.
I'the rather see the all in price on a menu including all taxes and service as I do in most European countries. Then I can decide to tip in a 5-10% range. Without having to.I also like the system where I can see the price breakdown. And prefer seeing the real price on the menu with taxes included for each item.
Totally agree. It is sick to pay a waiter 2, 3 or 4 $ per hour and tell the guest to make up for the difference to minimum wage by tipping.The argument in favor of the the tipping system goes something like this: If they were to eliminate the tipping system, every item on the menu would go up by 20 percent, in order for restaurant owners to pay their waiters a decent wage. Then the waiter has no incentive to provide good service. So a $15 burger would become an $18 burger on the menu. Then the customer would be stuck paying the full $18, even if the service was bad. This American style tipping system supposedly puts the customer first. It is supposed to give the customer the flexibility to pay $15 for the burger, but instead leave only a $1 as the tip, if the service is poor.
Member #4581
07-11-18, 23:47
McA sorry, your comments are normally sensible but here you are conflating two different things. You are mixing up prices going up in FKKs (which they have been, effectively) with the bad practice of forced tipping in the US.
In US, you could very well have price inflation *and* you still need to tip. Tipping did not happen here because prices were kept artificially low. Since tipping is a percent of the sale, the more inflation in the sale prices tip also increases accordingly.
Tipping became the norm because employers did not pay the correct market wage to their employees and offloaded a portion of the wage onto customers in a very sneaky way. Tipping now induces guilt ("got to tip them because they don't get paid" shame ("tip them Cheapo!) and fear (of being branded a bad tipper). One should feel pleasure when tipping (good service received, and happiness that you rewarded someone for a job well done), but instead it induces negative emotions.
Tennis player Agassi wrote a book in which he tried to shame Pete Sampras (Sampras kicked Agassi's butt too many times on the court) by claiming that Sampras is a bad tipper. Such is the fate of bad tippers.
The phenomenon in FKK is entirely different. To the extent full service effectively costs x and official rate is 50, mongers who want the full service pay the difference of x-50 as the tip. If one pays just 50, only partial service is received. That is just economic reality, and not a degenerative tipping practice.
HeyyyyyyPaul
07-12-18, 09:37
At Venus I don't know, or at very small Villa Venus?Villa venus.
Greetings all,
I will possibly be visiting soon to the Rietheim-Weilheim area. I do not know the landscape of the area and am wondering if there is a club within a reasonable distance to this region that someone could recommend?
Close to the Dutch border: https://goo.gl/maps/VsxQRq1DDS12.https://www.saunaclub-venus.com/index.php/home-1498.html
McA sorry, your comments are normally sensible but here you are conflating two different things. You are mixing up prices going up in FKKs (which they have been, effectively) with the bad practice of forced tipping in the US.
In US, you could very well have price inflation *and* you still need to tip. Tipping did not happen here because prices were kept artificially low. Since tipping is a percent of the sale, the more inflation in the sale prices tip also increases accordingly.
Tipping became the norm because employers did not pay the correct market wage to their employees and offloaded a portion of the wage onto customers in a very sneaky way. Tipping now induces guilt ("got to tip them because they don't get paid" shame ("tip them Cheapo!) and fear (of being branded a bad tipper). One should feel pleasure when tipping (good service received, and happiness that you rewarded someone for a job well done), but instead it induces negative emotions..Just a couple years back the ladies received a 25% per hour increase on a one hour session. Women who upsell for things such as kissing are also making 25% per hour more. Those two things alone equal a 50% increase above where they were say 5 years ago.
Banana Boi
07-12-18, 13:19
Tipping became the norm because employers did not pay the correct market wage to their employees and offloaded a portion of the wage onto customers in a very sneaky way. Tipping now induces guilt ("got to tip them because they don't get paid" shame ("tip them Cheapo!) and fear (of being branded a bad tipper). One should feel pleasure when tipping (good service received, and happiness that you rewarded someone for a job well done), but instead it induces negative emotions.I do not tip even in the US if service is bad. I don't feel guilt since imo that is the owners responsibility to pay their staff well or staff will leave. I don't worry about being branded a bad tipper since I likely would not return to that restaurant if I received poor service. Same applies to FKK clubs. Bad service means no tip. If I girl talks bad about me to another girl so be it. If her friend is so petty that she rejects good customers who keeps girls he likes for multiple hours then she likely wasn't the girl for me to begin with. Tipping is not an expectation where I live in Thailand and the most anyone ever tips here is 40 baht (1. 20 euro). However, I find I almost always tip in Thailand and usually much more than the general public since service is good at restaurants and anyone who has been to Thailand know Thai girls pour their hearts out for you.
Christian G
07-12-18, 17:37
However, I find I almost always tip in Thailand and usually much more than the general public since service is good at restaurants and anyone who has been to Thailand know Thai girls pour their hearts out for you.Jeez man, you became chai dee mak mak (a very good heart) since you live in Thailand. LOL.
BigBuddy69
07-12-18, 22:14
Just a couple years back the ladies received a 25% per hour increase on a one hour session. Women who upsell for things such as kissing are also making 25% per hour more. Those two things alone equal a 50% increase above where they were say 5 years ago.Actually it was more 33% for a one hour session and 50% for a 1h30. Yet at Acapulco prices stayed the same and girls are happy about that since the entrance is really cheaper.
McA sorry, your comments are normally sensible but here you are conflating two different things.
The phenomenon in FKK is entirely different. To the extent full service effectively costs x and official rate is 50, mongers who want the full service pay the difference of x-50 as the tip. If one pays just 50, only partial service is received. That is just economic reality, and not a degenerative tipping practice.The tone of your original post, as I interpreted, seemed to indicate that there is something disingenuous (maybe even unscrupulous) about the American tipping system I. E. "more than what's indicated on the rate card". The use of the word "degenerative" also carries a negative connotation. So I will amend my previous post to be more clear. Rather than trying to compare two different things, I will simply say both of these two different things can be characterized as follows: "degenerative" and "more than what's indicated on the rate card".
Inflation happens at restaurants, yes. BUT they change their menu prices to reflect that. The fact that prices have increased is completely transparent to the customer! Essentially what certain WGs do at certain clubs, would be analogous to restaurant advertising a 400 g steak for 20 EUR, but bringing you out a 200 g steak for 20 EUR, then asking for a tip.
I have no issues with letting free market dictate. I would have absolutely no problem if a WG were to deny me service for the following reasons: (1) "My friend told me you are a 50 EUR guy" or (2) "Last time you only gave me 50 EUR". Those are all acceptable. Whats inexcusable to me is when the WGs lure men into the room, force a customer to pick a price tier, then deliberately give shitty service if the customer picks the lowest tier. If that is their intention, then the WG should just say "If you only want to pay 50 then I will only give you 15 minutes, do you still want to stay?
With regards to your statement that dishes in America are not kept artificially low, one CNBC author seems to disagree:
"So what if more American restaurants followed suit (Tokyo) and started to pay waiters and waitresses a salary? First, the obvious: Menu prices would be higher. Without tipping, restaurants would be forced to raise the price of dishes. " https://www.cnbc.com/id/100978743.
UltraHappy
07-13-18, 01:05
If that is their intention, then the WG should just say "If you only want to pay 50 then I will only give you 15 minutes, do you still want to stay?
Just one caveat, some clubs have "club rules" that prohibit a girl from doing just that. Therefore, in the mind of the girl, she has no alternative other than to play the games she plays, because she cannot quote non-standard prices or times for standard services.
Rather, she can only charge extra for non-standard services and vary her service levels. Obviously, depends on the club she is in. In some clubs, it is not a rule per se imposed on the girl, but the so-called "rule" can nevertheless manifest itself in disputes at Reception where Reception will side with the customer regarding non-standard pricing / times for standard services.
UltraHappy
07-13-18, 01:11
Interesting that the millennials tip the lowest of all age groups according to recent surveys. Millennials disdain for tipping may account for the trend of opening up more counter-style service restaurants at the hip new places, like Shake Shack, etc.
https://www.nbcnews.com/better/business/dollars-sense-why-are-millennials-tipping-less-older-generations-ncna886966
Member #4581
07-13-18, 04:00
With regards to your statement that dishes in America are not kept artificially low, one CNBC author seems to disagree:
.That is not what I said. You should read again.
I said tipping is independent of restaurant prices.
I quite agree with the CNBC link, and in any case it is obvious. Yes, prices would be higher if tipping is removed, sure. My point is indeed that actual price is being obscured by tipping, and it would far more optimal to have a transparent pricing, inclusive of all service charges (at this point, tipping is nothing more than a service charge and many restaurants directly charge 18% or higher if there are 4+ people in a party — and then sneakily leave a line on the credit card bill for a tip..at least a few times, I did not pay attention and paid a tip AFTER already paying a service charge).
As for branding as degenerative both US tipping practice and girls' providing less for 50 it is your prerogative ofc, but I would slightly disagree. If the effective price has moved up over time due to inflation but is artificially kept down by the club, the girl would feel justified in providing less. Yes, it aggravates me too, but I can understand it. If we were forced to work in jobs which had zero raise in 20 years, over time we will also cut corners and provide less.
Actually it was more 33% for a one hour session and 50% for a 1h30. Yet at Acapulco prices stayed the same and girls are happy about that since the entrance is really cheaper.[Deleted by Admin] Concerning the inflation, service levels, fair market economy, etc. , I would like point out a couple things. If a WG at a club and is suffering slow business, the other WGs in that club will prevent her from running "Black Friday" specials, also known as discounts to move financials from the negative to the positive side of the balance line. They will allow them to run gimmicks such as "multiple orgasms" even accompanied with "squirting", but they will all talk negative about the increased interest in such an ingeneous WG. Realistically, there is a WG "mafia" controlled by them and their managers. The only way to counter this is by the mongers vetoing the requested prices by withholding money from the WGs and the clubs. Unfortunately, the market price in FKK / Sauna Clubs is now being driven by tourists in many clubs, similar to land prices in lower economic zones such as Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania and Greece. At some point the prices increase beyond affordability of the the locals and the economic model becomes purely tourist based, the resolve to battle to support pro prostitution legislation decreases and the system as we know it declines. I can honestly say that I've witnessed much of this since starting to visit Sauna Clubs in 2008. I was one of a few tourists in the clubs. At that time if the locals mongers found out a tourist was over paying they would complain to reception who wouldn't let him back in. This balance has shifted to where now, in many clubs the tourist mongers outnumber the local mongers so the clubs tolerate the touristic behaviors. A few clubs, like Aca Velbert, are still heavily dominated by local mongers. Here you see much less price / quality manipulation by the ladies. It does fall apart occasionally when a tourist does visit and convinces their favorite girl in all of FKK land to transfer to their favorite club where she can make so much more money.
Just one caveat, some clubs have "club rules" that prohibit a girl from doing just that. Therefore, in the mind of the girl, she has no alternative other than to play the games she plays, because she cannot quote non-standard prices or times for standard services.
Rather, she can only charge extra for non-standard services and vary her service levels. Obviously, depends on the club she is in. In some clubs, it is not a rule per se imposed on the girl, but the so-called "rule" can nevertheless manifest itself in disputes at Reception where Reception will side with the customer regarding non-standard pricing / times for standard services.This is the capitalism vs socialism argument. With uniform pricing, it generates more business for everyone. However, the better girls who could charge more are disadvantaged. The laws say the club cannot set prices. So, each girl can quote their own. But girls that do not adhere to standard pricing will be shunned by some punters and will ruin a clubs reputation. A club should let girls quote different prices in advance, but if the customer complains, they should be kicked out. If you charge more, you better be worth it.
McA sorry, your comments are normally sensible but here you are conflating two different things. You are mixing up prices going up in FKKs (which they have been, effectively) with the bad practice of forced tipping in the US.
In US, you could very well have price inflation *and* you still need to tip. Tipping did not happen here because prices were kept artificially low. Since tipping is a percent of the sale, the more inflation in the sale prices tip also increases accordingly.
Tipping became the norm because employers did not pay the correct market wage to their employees and offloaded a portion of the wage onto customers in a very sneaky way. Tipping now induces guilt ("got to tip them because they don't get paid" shame ("tip them Cheapo!) and fear (of being branded a bad tipper). One should feel pleasure when tipping (good service received, and happiness that you rewarded someone for a job well done), but instead it induces negative emotions..Only partially correct. Tipping is cultural. We tip because we are expected to and feel we will be shunned if we do not. Society sets the level and the situation. There are many service industries where we do not tip. We do not tip professionals even if their pay is low. Right now, hotel maids who were not tipped are transitioning to a tipping culture. There are many jobs where tipping is expected but not so culturally strong. So, people get away without tipping. For example, valet parking.
MarquisdeSade1
07-13-18, 05:21
http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/12/trump-immigration-changed-fabric-europe/
Polyamorist
07-13-18, 11:03
Realistically, there is a WG "mafia" controlled by them and their managers. Salaam Chongmal. Yes, hard to escape this conclusion if you notice girls using exactly the same tactics inside the rooms. If you see it too often, it makes you feel you are not dealing with an individual but an army. Who wants to have sex with an army?
But I would like to point out this situation is not inevitable, even with the tourist invasion. It would not necessarily be the case if FKKs had been careful to keep ethnically diverse lineups. And still, to escape the mafia it helps to choose "outsider" WGs.
Member #4581
07-13-18, 19:00
Only partially correct. Tipping is cultural. We tip because we are expected to and feel we will be shunned if we do not. Society sets the level and the situation. There are many service industries where we do not tip. We do not tip professionals even if their pay is low. Right now, hotel maids who were not tipped are transitioning to a tipping culture. There are many jobs where tipping is expected but not so culturally strong. So, people get away without tipping. For example, valet parking.Sure, I did not say tipping is not cultural. But the culture developed over time. Google search pulls up a bunch of articles which show that tipping was actually brought to US from Europe about a hundred years ago. Over time, the practice got entrenched. Yes, that creates inertia or culture if you will, and it will take just as much time to get rid of it as it took for this practice to get entrenched. But as UH provided links, there are some regions and demographics where tipping may be losing its allure and we will see if we can evolve into a system where tipping is genuinely a reward system for outstanding service and every employee is paid fair wages by the employer regardless of tipping.
"We do not tip professionals even if their pay is low".
It is not about low pay, but paying below minimum federal wage. That's the big difference when it comes to tipping dominated industries.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/18/i-dare-you-to-read-this-and-still-feel-ok-about-tipping-in-the-united-states/
Besides Babylon, any other decent clubs has the FKK rule for the ladies?
As for branding as degenerative both US tipping practice and girls' providing less for 50 it is your prerogative ofc, but I would slightly disagree. If the effective price has moved up over time due to inflation but is artificially kept down by the club, the girl would feel justified in providing less. Yes, it aggravates me too, but I can understand it. If we were forced to work in jobs which had zero raise in 20 years, over time we will also cut corners and provide less.Majority of ISGers make decent money because they are lucky enough to be in high-demand professions where there is a shortage of workers. So perhaps some of you think, "Prices of goods and services have went up in the 20-30 years since I entered working age, and my salary has increased faster than the prices of goods and services in my country". But you guys are top ten percent earners in the rich nations where you live. This is not the case for majority of workers.
"Wage stagnation is a problem for broad swathes of the USA Population, not just those workers without a post-secondary education. The EPI found that in 2013, young college graduates' real hourly wages were lower than they were in the 1990's. For comparison, the average real hourly wage of a young college graduate (regardless of gender) was $18.00 in 1998, while in 2013 it was $16.99. However, manufacturing and production workers have been the worst affected group of American workers. Blue-collar manufacturing workers have seen their wages dropping by 4. 4% from 2003 to 2013, a rate of decline three times that of the average USA Worker. " https://globalriskinsights.com/2018/01/us-economy-workers-dilemma-declining-wages/.
"In America, median wages have been stagnant for more than 40 years. In Japan and Germany, it's been 20 years without a pay rise. " https://www.bbc.com/news/business-35709058.
The FKK clubs do not keep prices artificially low. The entirety of the German paid sex scene keeps prices low. FKK clubs are priced to compete with alternatives. If FKK girls don't like the 50 EUR /30 min rates that the club imposes on them, they are free to try their luck elsewhere as a 200 EUR per hour escort. My guess is they know they would get extremely low volume of customers. Because paid sex is so cheap in Germany. They'd truly have to stand out, perhaps Victoria Secret level to succeed in high price escort pool
Member #4581
07-14-18, 03:47
OK, it is not like we are all billionaires here and detached from the reality of working folks. We are all bourgeoise here if not the proletariat.
The numbers you point out in your examples and links McA are are "real wages". Which means they are adjusting for inflation. In FKK, the 50 E has been constant, and that is a nominal amount. Not real.
https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/inflation-cpi
German CPI has been low but barring a couple of short periods, is still positive inflation.
https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/wage-growth
As are the German wages. And notice, the link shows real wages.
And these are countrynwide numbers, not some cherry picked sectors.
As for the argument that girls better like the 50 E or else they can take a hike and go work in the red light district well, they are not doing that. They stayed in the clubs, and have increased their effective wages and still getting enough business. I am not advocating for a price increase for the FKK girls, I am merely pointing out that they do have enough pricing power and have been able to increase their true effective prices already (by cutting back on services, time, etc and still paid 50 E).
Member #4581
07-14-18, 04:04
The FKK clubs do not keep prices artificially low. The entirety of the German paid sex scene keeps prices low. FKK clubs are priced to compete with alternatives. If FKK girls don't like the 50 EUR /30 min rates that the club imposes on them, they are free to try their luck elsewhere as a 200 EUR per hour escort. My guess is they know they would get extremely low volume of customers. Because paid sex is so cheap in Germany. They'd truly have to stand out, perhaps Victoria Secret level to succeed in high price escort poolA month or two ago, we had extensive discussions and I thought we generally agreed that effective prices in FKK clubs have appreciated for the years. Do you no longer think that is true? Or are you saying effective prices went up only in FKK clubs but have stayed stable at a lower level outside the clubs (in RLD, street corner,.)?
If prices are lower outside the FKK clubs and high inside, then FKKs would be losing market share and customers. If that is not happening, then it means FKK prices even after they have gone up effectively are not that high because they offer a superior product which their customers value.
Besides Babylon, any other decent clubs has the FKK rule for the ladies?Also legendary Bernds, and very beautiful, small, saunaclub Venus where You can also have public sex in lounge upstairs or in kino downstairs, but couldn't find any girl to make me dream. You can see girls dancing at Venus.
Same at Freudenhaus Dortmund, not a FKK, but a very beautiful club. Girls and even staff couldn't understand I didn't go to room, but I enjoyed a good diner with excellent beans, like in UK or Dubaï for breakfast, then hot chocolate watching Wimbledon. No girl to make me dream, no beauty like Alina found at Bahama Maintal, when difficult for me to find at big Sharks or Samya, so when I find one, I m so happy and repeat with her as long it works, I marry for the best and leave for the worst. FKK life.
Also legendary Bernds, and very beautiful, small, saunaclub Venus where You can also have public sex in lounge upstairs or in kino downstairs, but couldn't find any girl to make me dream. You can see girls dancing at Venus.
Same at Freudenhaus Dortmund, not a FKK, but a very beautiful club. Girls and even staff couldn't understand I didn't go to room, but I enjoyed a good diner with excellent beans, like in UK or Duba for breakfast, then hot chocolate watching Wimbledon. No girl to make me dream, no beauty like Alina found at Bahama Maintal, when difficult for me to find at big Sharks or Samya, so when I find one, I m so happy and repeat with her as long it works, I marry for the best and leave for the worst. FKK life.Thanks! It looks like only few options. And Babylon maybe the largest in that area. Others LU is very limited.
Freudenhaus does have a good interior. LU just doesn't match it.
Thanks! It looks like only few options. And Babylon maybe the largest in that area. Others LU is very limited.
Freudenhaus does have a good interior. LU just doesn't match it.Yes, Bab Elsdorf is the only big real FKK in NRW, can have public sex there. Outside swimming pool. Only few quite pretty girls. Kity started at Bab, her friend Barbi worked at Bab on end of 2014, before GT.
Also legendary Bernds, and very beautiful, small, saunaclub Venus where You can also have public sex in lounge upstairs or in kino downstairs, but couldn't find any girl to make me dream. You can see girls dancing at Venus.Few days ago you never heard of Venus, and now you know all about it?
Few days ago you never heard of Venus, and now you know all about it?Looking for my new Eve, free bird goes everywhere, as say Mady ex History. Ch now at Oase: This guy goes everywhere. I discovered on this Friday, I didn't find any dreamed girl, even they were smiling, so I moved to discover Freudenhaus. Despite Ines and Anni, no room on this Friday, I preferred to watch great matches in Wimbledon, cheap 90 € day. But 2 beautiful and relaxing clubs with friendly staff.
5 clubs on 3 days, for only 2 rooms, but a good discovery to repeat, even she doesn't have potential to become my new Eve. I really regret my Sharks Eve was not made for this business, she had the perfect behavior out of room for me, and her beauty worth I worked on her. Have to find a new one.
Ok so I have my itinerary planned, what do you guys think? I have a car so no problems getting around.
Thursday: Babylon.
Friday: Acapulco (or dolce vita?
Saturday: World (or Sharks?
Sunday: Goldentime and maybe Living Room.
Monday: Samya.
I did Sharks before and loved it, I'm thinking of giving world a try! Or is it really bad?
Is there anywhere better in that area on a Friday?
On Sunday, I would advice GT or Sharks. After GT, you can move to LR for only 35 more, for midnight pizza, asking on GT desk a discount ticket for LR, when you leave.
For outdoor swimming pool, YY NL, or PHG with black girls, or Bab Elsdorf, or Dolce Vita, or Sharks, or Oase, or World, or Finca, or Mainhattan.
For woman types, GT or YY. Same for highest average level in bed.
For fresh beauties, Samya or Aca.
Thanks for all the advice! What is YY and PHG? Will samya be good enough on a Monday?
FYI I had the midnight pizza at LR before, it's just cold hard crisp pizza they leave lying around. But when there is a cook it's very good food.
Ok so I have my itinerary planned, what do you guys think? I have a car so no problems getting around.
Thursday: Babylon.
Friday: Acapulco (or dolce vita?
Saturday: World (or Sharks?
Sunday: Goldentime and maybe Living Room.
Monday: Samya.On Monday, I would only advice Sharks.
Samya where pretty girls, on Friday or Saturday.
Sharks on Friday, Saturday or Sunday for 50 before 2 pm. I don't go anymore at World, even entry 47 before 1 pm.
GT on Friday or Sunday.
PHG is Planet Happy Garden, dead in the afternoon, but discotheque at night. Some black girls.
YY is Yng Yang Roermond NL, on Friday or Saturday.
Ok so I have my itinerary planned, what do you guys think? I have a car so no problems getting around.
Thursday: Babylon.
Friday: Acapulco (or dolce vita?
Saturday: World (or Sharks?
Sunday: Goldentime and maybe Living Room.
Monday: Samya.
I did Sharks before and loved it, I'm thinking of giving world a try! Or is it really bad?
Is there anywhere better in that area on a Friday?
Thanks for all the advice! What is YY and PHG? Will samya be good enough on a Monday?
FYI I had the midnight pizza at LR before, it's just cold hard crisp pizza they leave lying around. But when there is a cook it's very good food.YY is Ying Yang.
PHG Planet Happy Garden.
Haven't heard many good reports out of World. GT on a Sunday would be a busy mess.
Samya will be pretty dead on a Monday if no convention is in town, especially during the day time. Most clubs will be slow but Sharks, Oase, or GT on Mondays would be the only places that I would consider. Oase had about 3-4 nice looking girl during the day and 2-3 more showed up after 6 pm. Sharks would probably have similar numbers. GT's management will make sure to have something decent on Mondays and the club will been less busy.
Had a bad visit at PHG a few months ago, but at Oceans this weekend I met a great girl who is returning to PHG after a few days at Oceans. Guess she is more known by locals at PHG. Perhaps PHG is not too bad. But the indoor area was a bit dull, so make sure it is sunny and warm if you decide to try it out. The same can be said about DV. The outside area is nice. DV's problem is upselling and lack of girls. 20 feels a bit low, but if you get in for 35 (non messe day before 20.00), it can be fine I guess. Met 2-3 doable girls there. VV (Villa Vertigo) falls into the same group of clubs. Outside area can be nice, and some of the same type of girls can be found there. YY since it is in NL is 100% safe when it comes to BBBJ though. A big selling point for some.
A month or two ago, we had extensive discussions and I thought we generally agreed that effective prices in FKK clubs have appreciated for the years. Do you no longer think that is true? Or are you saying effective prices went up only in FKK clubs but have stayed stable at a lower level outside the clubs (in RLD, street corner,.)?The paid sex scene outside of FKK clubs is too big, so the range of services, optics, and prices is too wide. One person can only sample so much, but yes I do believe it has remained stable outside the clubs. Also at FKKs, I am meeting many regulars who share information, so I feel it is easier to obtain a more complete snapshot that encompasses more than just my own experiences.
I am not a big spender, but when I perceive value, I tend to go on more of a shopping spree. So while effective prices increased (price demands increased, attitudes worsened), my per visit spending Sharks is about half what it used to be. Same thing happened my last ten visits at Oase, before I just stopped attending completely. Not sure how many others fit my profile.
If prices are lower outside the FKK clubs and high inside, then FKKs would be losing market share and customers. If that is not happening, then it means FKK prices even after they have gone up effectively are not that high because they offer a superior product which their customers value.I do believe FKKs are losing customers. Certainly none of the clubs are consistently as busy as they once were. Oase was the busiest Hessen club in 2013. Multiple mongers have told me that attendance has decreased or stayed flat the last few years, even with Oase introducing entry discount promotions and improved food offerings. World is reportedly a ghost town compared to years past. The emergence of Sharks in 2014-2016, we all know caused both Hessen incumbents to lose customers. But in my opinion Sharks in 2018 is not as busy as 2014-2016 either. I will admit though, that of the three, Sharks' attendance levels would be the hardest to gauge. Simply because Sharks added rooms, lockers, and parking spaces in the last two years. So is it a case of male attendance decreasing at Sharks or did their infrastructure improvements just make it feel less congested?
Attendance is down at just about every NRW club. GT might be the lone exception. Chongmal, BB69, Siri have been vocal about LR's attendance issues. Acapulco attendance drop-off was dramatic the second-half of 2017, there has been a rebound, but still not at pre-2017 levels. Recently, RN remarked that Stuttgart Paradise dropped its price from 79 EUR to 69 EUR, and suggested "business must be slow". As far as I know, there hasn't been a new FKK venue opening in Stuttgart area in over a decade, so can't see why they'd be losing business, unless customers just lost interest in paid sex or chose paid sex alternatives.
As are the German wages. And notice, the link shows real wages.
And these are countrynwide numbers, not some cherry picked sectors.
Just because average worker sees increase in real wages, does that mean that everyone in all sectors, should automatically get an increase?
As for the argument that girls better like the 50 E or else they can take a hike and go work in the red light district well, they are not doing that. They stayed in the clubs, and have increased their effective wages and still getting enough business. I am not advocating for a price increase for the FKK girls, I am merely pointing out that they do have enough pricing power and have been able to increase their true effective prices already (by cutting back on services, time, etc and still paid 50 E).Going to RLD would mean lower rates. I suggested they try their luck with a paid sex option that earns them 200+ EUR per hour.
Some are getting enough business. Some aren't. Isn't pole dance crew among the most popular? I see them approaching men all the time, men who were actively engaged in conversation with each other, men that did not even initiate eye contact with them. They are considered top optics. And 50 is such a "bargain". On these days when there is a 3-to-1 male-female ratio, should they not be in demand the entire time? Yet they are hunting.
I suspect most WGs exaggerate how much their whales spend on them. Why exaggerate? A salesman is always going to give the appearance of being financially secure and not desperate for the sale. It doesn't matter if it's the end of the month, and the salesman is far from his quota. They don't let the prospect smell fear, and gain an upper hand in negotiations. Also there is an element of "social proof". Imagine a fly-in tourist who has just completed his trip. He is riding in his taxi to the airport, when he realizes he just dropped 2000 EUR on his favorite WG, which is way over his budget. He initially feels some remorse, but is then comforted when he recalls that she has all these whales that spend significantly more than he does. That validates to him that he didn't overpay. If all these rich men see value in her, than she must be a prize and worth every penny that he spent. What he doesn't suspect is that he is one of her top whales.
I will admit though, that of the three, Sharks' attendance levels would be the hardest to gauge. Simply because Sharks added rooms, lockers, and parking spaces in the last two years. So is it a case of male attendance decreasing at Sharks or did their infrastructure improvements just make it feel less congested?
Too bad they didn't add air conditioning in the many new rooms they introduced.
But you make many interesting points. Unfortunately more often than not discussions on comparing the two largest / most successful Hessen clubs Sharks vs Oase degenerate into emotional arguments similar to kids backing their favourite football club. But your comments are objective and seem devoid of any emotional bias towards one club or the other, so thanks for that. I agree that in general FKK attendance is on the decline, probably from a multitude of reasons, but I have to say that between Sharks and Oase, I believe (from my own observations over the past couple of years visiting both clubs) that Sharks definitely has (or at least used to have until quite recently) the stronger momentum between the two clubs; and at Sharks on "Cheap Charlie Weds 50 e Entry Tag" I've often seen lines of guys waiting to pay their discounted fee to get into the club, snaking out from reception desk right into the parking area, which is something one sees on a less frequent basis these days at Oase.
Der Auslander
07-17-18, 11:22
Attendance is down at just about every NRW club. GT might be the lone exception. Chongmal, BB69, Siri have been vocal about LR's attendance issues. Acapulco attendance drop-off was dramatic the second-half of 2017, there has been a rebound, but still not at pre-2017 levels. Recently, RN remarked that Stuttgart Paradise dropped its price from 79 EUR to 69 EUR, and suggested "business must be slow". As far as I know, there hasn't been a new FKK venue opening in Stuttgart area in over a decade, so can't see why they'd be losing business, unless customers just lost interest in paid sex or chose paid sex alternatives.Agree with just about everything which you have written but I would add emphasis on the reality that FKK Clubs in or around the Frankfurt area (particularly the Frankfurt Mega Clubs) are simply not as much fun as they used to be. The casting at most clubs in Frankfurt and throughout Germany is now heavily reliant on almost exclusively Romanian ladies with perhaps a sprinkling of other nationalities. In fairness to these Romanian girls, they have provided sufficient casting to keep these clubs open and for a long time they have come to Germany in such numbers that they have helped keep the cost of pussy at an even keel. This has been the case for many years but has begun to gradually change as the girls (and possibly their managers) seek more financial return from each session. Up-selling is much more prevalent now (particularly in the Frankfurt Mega Club) than it ever was. There was a time when Euro 50 per half hour was sufficient payment. Requests for CIM and other optional extras were once infrequent, now they have become more or less the norm and consequently tend to ruin the mood in the room when conversation moves away from imaginary romance or fun and games back to financial matters yet again. You can still just about get reasonable service for Euro 100 per hour but the Euro 50 thirty minute session can very often leave the male club visitor less than satisfied.
The majority of mongers reading this Board, particularly those residing outside Deutschland, will visit FKK clubs only within the Frankfurt area and consequently clubs like Sharks and Oase will have a higher portion of non-national visitors. Irregular visitors or tourists, coming from East Asia or North America or even from other EU Countries, visit the clubs less often and as a consequence tend to spend more on their club visit. This tourist phenomenon so prevalent in FKK Sharks and FKK Oase (but also in some NRW clubs) has made these clubs much less attractive venues for lower spending locals. The girls are more accustomed to these higher spending non German nationals. You now even have the phenomenon of some girls specializing in the extraction of cash from East Asian wallets. Of course if you are an experienced monger or if you are prepared to hand over bundles of cash to a preferred favorite girl, you can still have a great time but for the less experienced or average monger it can be a more difficult task (particularly in Frankfurt) than it once was.
You do notice the more sharky nature of the Frankfurt clubs when you move away from the Hessen area (and to some extent when you also move away from Dusseldorf NRW) and visit second tier FKK and Sauna Clubs where you won't necessarily have the same quality level of casting but where your euros will probably go further and where demands for optional extras are less frequent. There can be more fun to be had and more bang for your buck or euro away from Frankfurt but overall throughout FKK Land the price of pussy has increased whilst at the same time the amount of fun to be had is less. I think this is a reason why the numbers visiting FKK and Sauna clubs are generally down.
But that said, I am also in agreement with what you have written.
Looking for my new Eve, free bird goes everywhere, as say Mady ex History. Ch now at Oase: This guy goes everywhere. I discovered on this Friday, I didn't find any dreamed girl, even they were smiling, so I moved to discover Freudenhaus. Despite Ines and Anni, no room on this Friday, I preferred to watch great matches in Wimbledon, cheap 90 day. But 2 beautiful and relaxing clubs with friendly staff.
5 clubs on 3 days, for only 2 rooms, but a good discovery to repeat, even she doesn't have potential to become my new Eve. I really regret my Sharks Eve was not made for this business, she had the perfect behavior out of room for me, and her beauty worth I worked on her. Have to find a new one.You must travel a lot of kilometers. Hope you will find your new Eve (before New Year's Eve).
I was in Frankfurt the week of July 4th and visited Oase, Sharks, and Mainhattan. I was disappointed by the LU in all of them, compared to prior once-a-year visits. Sharks was relatively the best, followed by Oase, then Mainhattan. I visited Sharks the most (3 times) and also did quite a few 3-somes there.
Thinking about it, I was wondering whether the World Cup had something to do with it. Someone made the comment that many of the top girls probably went to work in Russia during the sport event. Unfortunately, I like eye candy and that was sorely missing on this trip.
Well optically sharks was a bit below average for me, white Oase was above average in optics. However, upsells were slightly down at sharks compared to this last winter, while it was slightly up at Oase.
You do notice the more sharky nature of the Frankfurt clubs when you move away from the Hessen area (and to some extent when you also move away from Dusseldorf NRW) and visit second tier FKK and Sauna Clubs where you won't necessarily have the same quality level of casting but where your euros will probably go further and where demands for optional extras are less frequent. There can be more fun to be had and more bang for your buck or euro away from Frankfurt but overall throughout FKK Land the price of pussy has increased whilst at the same time the amount of fun to be had is less. I think this is a reason why the numbers visiting FKK and Sauna clubs are generally down.You might get dismissed by some as a jaded, curmudgeon who was spoiled by the "good old days". You are stuck living in the past!
Some fly-in mongers, particularly the more inexperienced ones, are obsessed with optics. So moving away from Hessen to smaller clubs might result in disappointing visits for them.
If "effective pricing" in FKK clubs continues to increase as Jnpr predicts:
1. Americans and Asians will still fly into DE. The price for comparable white WGs in their home countries is minimum five times the price. So I don't think these mongers will taper off unless rates in FKK clubs reach 250 EUR per hour.
2. Belgian, French, British, Italian, and Dutch may have already tapered off slightly. They can get decent sessions from white WGs in their home country for much less than the Americans, so I believe customers from the aforementioned countries would just stay in their home countries to monger (assuming the price/quality for pay sex in their home country has remained stable).
3. Spanish will continue to NOT come. Their pay sex has always offered comparable price / quality to Deutschland, and that is probably why I have never met a Spanish monger in the FKK.
4. Germans will continue to attend because FKKs are local to them. But perhaps only to the point that their basic sexual needs are met. They may not motivated to spend more than they have to if they are not getting bargains. Also, they are likely exploring other forms of paid sex available in Germany.
You must travel a lot of kilometers. Hope you will find your new Eve (before New Year's Eve).I m pretty sure nobody works like me, to find and build Eves. I would be happy to find the sophisticated, natural beauty with good manners and GFE behavior, new one, to go only for her. Seems more real like this, in my mind.
Not found at Venus, nor Freudenhaus, but I keep on working hard.
Kosher Kowboy
07-17-18, 23:46
3. Spanish will continue to NOT come. Their pay sex has always offered comparable price / quality to Deutschland, and that is probably why I have never met a Spanish monger in the FKK.
.Very good impressive observation as I have mentioned the same to many folks. I have never met one either although I am sure ' one or more' have ventured over the years but I have to agree, unless they want the club atmosphere they have no reason to come. Spain has everything from an active street scene to seedy and upscale brothels and agency girls and indies to fancy clubs and a slew of personal ads on top of some great message boards; Barcelona's being the one of the best in the world that I have come across. It even has a ' cheap charlie' forum within the format for those who only want to pay less than 100 euro an hour and great 50-60 e options. Slum it or live it up or anything in between. Ukrainian, Russian, E European, many Romanians, Mexicans, Central Americans and South Americans are all there as are plenty of Asians and Arabians and any type of woman, age, size, beauty etc. They also have AO forums and a huge percentage of the girls bareback as well. Spain is my escape hatch should prices in Germany dictate a move over there.
But they don't have the Gypsies or an adequate day care center to my liking so Germany and you guys are stuck with me for now!!
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Der Auslander
07-18-18, 00:44
1. Americans and Asians will still fly into DE. The price for comparable white WGs in their home countries is minimum five times the price. So I don't think these mongers will taper off unless rates in FKK clubs reach 250 EUR per hour.Not sure that fly in North American or Asian business alone will keep a single one of these FKKs open. Its only the very hard up who would pay Euro 150 or Euro 200 per hour. Did you seriously mention Euro 250 per hour! You were joking right? Certainly no locals or Europeans in any sort of number will pay these prices and remember the Canadians have been smart enough not to completely wreck their sex industry. So they wont be coming for those prices! FKK and Sauna Clubs will consequently close.
2. Belgian, French, British, Italian, and Dutch may have already tapered off slightly. They can get decent sessions from white WGs in their home country for much less than the Americans, so I believe customers from the aforementioned countries would just stay in their home countries to monger (assuming the price/quality for pay sex in their home country has remained stable).Agreed. They will all stay at home and the locals will also not come. Just ask them if they would be prepared to pay Euro 150 or Euro 200 per hour! Locals will look at you as if you have two heads! FKK and Sauna clubs will consequently close.
3. Spanish will continue to NOT come. Their pay sex has always offered comparable price / quality to Deutschland, and that is probably why I have never met a Spanish monger in the FKK.I have occasionally met some Spanish FKK customers. I agree that they are not as common as Belgian, Dutch, British or Italian. Probably more common than Irish though! Along with North Americans, East Asians and Irish, the Spanish won't keep the FKKs open and certainly not come for Euro 150 or Euro 200 per hour. Did you also mention Euro 250 per hour! You were kidding right!? Just you North American guys prepared to hand over the mulah and pay for trans Atlantic flights! Oh yes and some East Asian guys as well who have a thing for Caucasian ladies!
4. Germans will continue to attend because FKKs are local to them. But perhaps only to the point that their basic sexual needs are met. They may not motivated to spend more than they have to if they are not getting bargains. Also, they are likely exploring other forms of paid sex available in Germany.The locals won't be visiting FKK and Sauna Clubs in any number if prices rise to Euro 150 or Euro 200 per hour. FKK and Sauna clubs will consequently close. Ask any German and he will tell you! Should be easy to find one they are more common than Spanish! Its no wonder so many locals despise foreign sex tourists! Why not log onto a German FKK Forum and ask them will they pay Euro 150 or Euro 200 per hour and you will get your answer. Did you also mention Euro 250 per hour! Jeez you guys are a Romanian pimps wet dream!
Yes indeed, I may be a jaded curmudgeon. But I don't live in dreamland or is that the USA where you dream about sex in other peoples countries because you have wrecked your own! In fact the US is so pussy whipped that websites such as this cannot even be hosted in the country and have to be based in Europe. As we say in the old country "Sorry for your troubles". But dont do a Donald Trump and take out your problems on us poor Europeans :)
Agree with DerAuslander on the pricing. Absolutely no European from outside of Germany would visit FKK's if prices for 30 minutes standard session reaches 100 euro like some girls even have started asking for. Just adding in transport cost and club entries would make the calculations not worth it. Where I live I can get the same rate (100-110 e for 30 min) and with zero nothing in entry cost, and optics at the same level. Just a bit less options available at any one time.
The limit for most of the rest of Europe to travel to FKK's is at around the price level of Wellcum: entry 85 and 70 for half an hour. And at that level lineup needs to be heavy strong with lots of good options, fantastic food, great management and absolutely no upselling. Those are the limits I have calculated. Although a smarter price would be 70/30 min and 120/1 HR. Otherwise nobody will go for the 1 HR rooms unless stupid. Or 70 e entry, and they could up it to 75/30 min and 130/1 HR. Anything less, or with higher prices, and other hobbies / destinations becomes superior in a heartbeat for any European not living within a 1.30 HR driving range.
Kosher Kowboy
07-18-18, 01:22
Certainly no locals or Europeans in any sort of number will pay these prices. FKK and Sauna Clubs will consequently close.
I have occasionally met some Spanish FKK customers. Probably more common than Irish though! certainly not come for Euro 150 or Euro 200 per hour. Just you North American guys!
Yes indeed, I may be a jaded curmudgeon. But I don't live in dreamland or is that the USA where you dream about sex in other peoples countries because you have wrecked your own! :)I will hopefully see some of these Spanish putaeros one day and get some good inside tips for Spain 2019. I have met plenty of Irish in my few years, or perhaps having lived in Chicago so long I confuse any inebriated gentleman to be an Irishman. (Great tippers, at least at the bars).
Sex in the USA since the good ole days of the old west or even middle 1900's is garbage. We have no choice but to travel. However I sense you are a little frustrated or upset with North Americans and it might not be fair to toss the Canadians in with us. It is not their fault we are disliked. I think the real issue you have is our President. He is an idiot. American mongers are not.
Our President's disrespect for the EU and it's leaders is uncalled for and unwarranted and he has insulted all of Europe calling them the enemy. So I understand the anti- American sentiment all too well. We are not all like our President in fact most of us did not vote for him. I think you are confusing politics and mongering but the real culprits are the Basket of Deplorables that put this schmuck in office.
However I think many idiots go and overpay and am in agreement, but I think idiots come from America, Asia and other parts of Europe as well and occasionally one from the Lone Star State may show up. I am sure there are a few German idiots too, albeit a tiny percentage that would be close to negligible.
I met a guy at Mainhatten last trip. He paid 200 for an hour with BBBJ. Got clipped for the 50 upsell X 2. He was not from Asia nor America. He was an Italian. And his breath stunk.
I feel bad for Italian hookers.
One point we haven't looked at in our equations is the currently far too overvalued american dollar. Looking at the US trade imbalance and salary levels, taking away their reserve currency status (could happen with the trade war), and the currently far too high us interest rate, the US dollar could fall by 20-30% to the euro and a euro would be at around 1.5 usd. Thus lowering the american tourist spending power while in Europe.
(The reserve currency status will probably hold, so a 1.40 is more normalized).
(Credit card loans and small credit loans in order to get mortgages in USA along with unpayable student loans will soon enough cause a new interest rate drop in america, normalising the usd). The yen is also at massive pressure due to ageing in Japan and a shrinking workforce and slowing down on new patents / inventions).
Member #4581
07-18-18, 03:38
I think prices increased within clubs. If you could be a fly on the wall, and witnessed a few thousand sessions say 8 years ago and now, in a base 50 E ticket I think you would see fewer number of dfks and datys, pre couch sessions, sessions lasting the full 30 m, perhaps even fewer bbbjs, fewer goodies likes BLS / rim job / etc and more bulk discounts (goodies in one hour but not half HR). To compute price, you have to average over all those sessions and all those goodies. Numerator stays the same because price is ostensibly the same 50 E, but denominator has declined. Just as you have to compute RevPar or Rev per passenger mile to answer what happened to hotel prices or airfares over time, one has to average over a large sessions to understand what happened to FKK prices and to me the trajectory appears upwards, gradually and constantly.
I have no clue about non FKK scene. I will take your word for it. But over there too, it is important to make comparisons on a like for like basis. Is the quality of the girl, session, other parameters consistently the same along with price? In my opinion, it is tough to make an accurate assessment of price stability outside clubs because it is not organized, not in a small setting, unobservable except of one's own usage patterns, and the range of girls and services is too vast.
Even if there is price stability outside the clubs, it s clear that these two markets are effectively segregated. If they were not, then the price disparity could not have widened over time like this.
You did not say if the cause and result of your fewer sessions in FKKs is more sessions outside the clubs. If so, then that would indicate somewhat of a substitute for you. But for others, RLD and streets may not be a substitute regardless of continued price hikes in the clubs. In those instances, price hikes could just lead to fewer sessions within clubs (as you indicated has been happening in Hessen and NRW clubs). For me and some other fly in tourists, streets and even RLD are never options. We have street h00 kers even in my own city, why bother?
The paid sex scene outside of FKK clubs is too big, so the range of services, optics, and prices is too wide. One person can only sample so much, but yes I do believe it has remained stable outside the clubs. Also at FKKs, I am meeting many regulars who share information, so I feel it is easier to obtain a more complete snapshot that encompasses more than just my own experiences.
I am not a big spender, but when I perceive value, I tend to go on more of a shopping spree. So while effective prices increased (price demands increased, attitudes worsened), my per visit spending Sharks is about half what it used to be. Same thing happened my last ten visits at Oase, before I just stopped attending completely. Not sure how many others fit my profile.
I do believe FKKs are losing customers. Certainly none of the clubs are consistently as busy as they once were. Oase was the busiest Hessen club in 2013. Multiple mongers have told me that attendance has decreased or stayed flat the last few years, even with Oase introducing entry discount promotions and improved food offerings. World is reportedly a ghost town compared to years past. The emergence of Sharks in 2014-2016, we all know caused both Hessen incumbents to lose customers. But in my opinion Sharks in 2018 is not as busy as 2014-2016 either. I will admit though, that of the three, Sharks' attendance levels would be the hardest to gauge. Simply because Sharks added rooms, lockers, and parking spaces in the last two years. So is it a case of male attendance decreasing at Sharks or did their infrastructure improvements just make it feel less congested?
Attendance is down at just about every NRW club. GT might be the lone exception. Chongmal, BB69, Siri have been vocal about LR's attendance issues. Acapulco attendance drop-off was dramatic the second-half of 2017, there has been a rebound, but still not at pre-2017 levels. Recently, RN remarked that Stuttgart Paradise dropped its price from 79 EUR to 69 EUR, and suggested "business must be slow". As far as I know, there hasn't been a new FKK venue opening in Stuttgart area in over a decade, so can't see why they'd be losing business, unless customers just lost interest in paid sex or chose paid sex alternatives.
Member #4581
07-18-18, 03:49
Just because average worker sees increase in real wages, does that mean that everyone in all sectors, should automatically get an increase?
.Average may not be perfect but is more reflective of the whole population than any selective anecdotal info. One could also ask, what is the relevance of manufacturing wages being stagnant when it comes to FKK girls. The point is, the German working population as a whole has experienced some "real" wage growth, where as FKK girls have seen flat prices even in nominal terms, let alone real terms.
As for the pole dance crew vs others and who is getting business and who is not -- no doubt there are always disparities between girls in terms of # of sessions, # extras etc. But as in the post below, it is more about the effective prices having increased.
When the club mandated a flat nominal price in the face of non zero inflation in the broader society and real wages appreciating for the nation's working population, it was inevitable that girls would raise prices effectively. And they have.
Member #4581
07-18-18, 04:10
There is a big difference between 150/ HR and 250/ HR. The former is already here -- well almost; at least some Oase girls will not even agree to DFK etc in a 100 E60 M and I wrote up my own mea culpa about how I contributed to price destruction in my session with Adele. Granted 150/ HR is not common yet, but with some guys tipping the effective price with all goodies included is definitely more than 100 an HR.
250/ HR is something else. I don't have any hard numbers to back me up but I would think that would stop a lot of fly in tourists from US (and perhaps Asia). Those who are still passing through DE might take a few hours off and get in a quick fuck or two. But one characteristic that marks a lot of fly in sex tourists is that in a few days they take several sessions. 20 sessions in 5 days at 250 an hour could be a minimum of 2500 E if all of them half HR, and 5000 or more with extras. Of course the fly in tourist can cut down his sessions to just 10 in 5 days, but then he would feel like the fixed costs of airfare and hotel etc were not fully amortized.
However, I don't think the price rises to 250/ HR anytime soon. To me, the prices (averaged over sufficient number of sessions) seem to be rising somewhat gradually and not at several orders of magnitude faster than local inflation. I will leave to the experts if that is true or not.
There is a big difference between 150/ HR and 250/ HR. The former is already here -- well almost; at least some Oase girls will not even agree to DFK etc in a 100 E60 M and I wrote up my own mea culpa about how I contributed to price destruction in my session with Adele. Granted 150/ HR is not common yet, but with some guys tipping the effective price with all goodies included is definitely more than 100 an HR.
250/ HR is something else. I don't have any hard numbers to back me up but I would think that would stop a lot of fly in tourists from US (and perhaps Asia). Those who are still passing through DE might take a few hours off and get in a quick fuck or two. But one characteristic that marks a lot of fly in sex tourists is that in a few days they take several sessions. 20 sessions in 5 days at 250 an hour could be a minimum of 2500 E if all of them half HR, and 5000 or more with extras. Of course the fly in tourist can cut down his sessions to just 10 in 5 days, but then he would feel like the fixed costs of airfare and hotel etc were not fully amortized.
However, I don't think the price rises to 250/ HR anytime soon. To me, the prices (averaged over sufficient number of sessions) seem to be rising somewhat gradually and not at several orders of magnitude faster than local inflation. I will leave to the experts if that is true or not.Somehow I think I'm the only one who read McA's report and understand it the way I do. My understanding is that the foreign Bears from the US and Asia will continue to fly in until the price in FKK / Sauna Clubs in Germany hits the €250 mark. If that time arrives it's more economical to search elsewhere and less tourists will be found.
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