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The limit for most of the rest of Europe to travel to FKK's is at around the price level of Wellcum: entry 85 and 70 for half an hour. And at that level lineup needs to be heavy strong with lots of good options, fantastic food, great management and absolutely no upselling. Those are the limits I have calculated. Although a smarter price would be 70/30 min and 120/1 HR. Otherwise nobody will go for the 1 HR rooms unless stupid. Or 70 e entry, and they could up it to 75/30 min and 130/1 HR. Anything less, or with higher prices, and other hobbies / destinations becomes superior in a heartbeat for any European not living within a 1.30 HR driving range.Pistons,
You've been around the scene for some time and seem quite in tune with local trends. I would like to bump a theory from myself and some local friends that we believe has resulted in lower attendance by locals in clubs as well as a reduction in the amount of sessions per visit. I'm willing to hear from any others regarding the theory as well.
Our theory is that there is less untraced money in the hands of local men due to increased effort of local nations to capture black market spending. Many nations have started demanding all purchases above certain prices to be conducted via bank transfers. This results in the government tax authority to be able to trace the money. A secondary effect is that wives now see this money on the husbands books, making it harder for the man to hide spending cash in clubs.
Somehow I think I'm the only one who read McA's report and understand it the way I do. My understanding is that the foreign Bears from the US and Asia will continue to fly in until the price in FKK / Sauna Clubs in Germany hits the 250 mark. If that time arrives it's more economical to search elsewhere and less tourists will be found.Yes, this is what I intended to convey. Each nation has a paid sex scene that varies based on price / quality / availability. Also each nation has different travel costs, travel times, and sometimes exchange rates that need to be taken into consideration when visiting German FKK. So they would each have different price points where it makes sense for them to (a) cut back on FKK, (b) monger closer to home or (c) switch to alternative countries or mediums (escort, RLD).
I would like to bump a theory from myself and some local friends that we believe has resulted in lower attendance by locals in clubs as well as a reduction in the amount of sessions per visit. I'm willing to hear from any others regarding the theory as well.
Our theory is that there is less untraced money in the hands of local men due to increased effort of local nations to capture black market spending. Many nations have started demanding all purchases above certain prices to be conducted via bank transfers. This results in the government tax authority to be able to trace the money. A secondary effect is that wives now see this money on the husbands books, making it harder for the man to hide spending cash in clubs.
Hadn't considered increased scrutiny of cash transactions and taxes as a cause for decreased FKK attendance. This theory makes sense for Germans and Italians who have been slow to go cashless, but have been inching toward it the last five years. Germany would be the biggest category of mongers. However, some of the main nationalities represented at FKKs have been quite cashless for a while: https://gomedici.com/which-countries-are-close-to-a-cashless-world/
But I can throw in another technology-related observation: smartphones and 4G networks. Nowadays if the wife or GF is away on business or visiting her parents, she might expect you to video chat. She may want to see your face. What if you are supposed to be at home, but she cannot see the walls of your living room in the background? Level of impact may be different depending on age demographic. This technology may have not penetrated the 50-70 age monger demographic. But the tech-savvy younger mongers, or mongers with younger significant others will see greater impact.
Pistons,
You've been around the scene for some time and seem quite in tune with local trends. I would like to bump a theory from myself and some local friends that we believe has resulted in lower attendance by locals in clubs as well as a reduction in the amount of sessions per visit. I'm willing to hear from any others regarding the theory as well.
Our theory is that there is less untraced money in the hands of local men due to increased effort of local nations to capture black market spending. Many nations have started demanding all purchases above certain prices to be conducted via bank transfers. This results in the government tax authority to be able to trace the money. A secondary effect is that wives now see this money on the husbands books, making it harder for the man to hide spending cash in clubs.I don't know. Can't they all just use ATM's like before? A second banking account and in some cases transfer through Paypal or something to a secret account to hide from wife? You pay with cash anyway. And what purchase can be traced above a certain amount then?
Unless you have interviewed a local who has this problem, it still seems like a far fetched theory to me.
If you have wives who oogle that much on your finances, you might as well break up due to lack of trust? I have read stories claiming 60% of men and women in relationships hide away money from their partners anyway. And just as much the women as men.
Smoke Light
07-18-18, 23:37
But I can throw in another technology-related observation: smartphones and 4G networks. Nowadays if the wife or GF is away on business or visiting her parents, she might expect you to video chat. She may want to see your face. What if you are supposed to be at home, but she cannot see the walls of your living room in the background?That's simple: decorate your living room like FKK Living Room, don't forget James Bond picture like the one behind the reception desk.
Actually, tourist mongers have the same problem: wives calling and wanting to video chat in the evening when your are likely to be just going to your second zimmer of the evening. I tell wife I was reading a book and fell asleep, and left the phone in the car LOL.
Polyamorist
07-19-18, 00:10
Yes indeed, I may be a jaded curmudgeon. But I don't live in dreamland or is that the USA where you dream about sex in other peoples countries because you have wrecked your own! In fact the US is so pussy whipped that websites such as this cannot even be hosted in the country and have to be based in Europe. Yesterday I was introduced to a new term for baby kisses: "American kissing". As in, "When I said I liked kissing I meant American kissing, not French kissing".
I cancelled the session and was not charged. But I still felt depressed. I kept thinking, "Maybe I shouldn't have spoken to her in English. If I'd stayed talking French or German, she wouldn't have treated me that way".
I thought English was supposed to be the smart language, the international language. How did it become the you-must-be-a-dumbass language? I even see this in the Arab world. You need to speak French to be taken seriously.
In the FKKs what is happening is that the girls are evolving different routines for locals and non-locals. I consider this a form of discriminatory racism, and I blame the FKK managements for allowing it. For now what I find I must do to get good service is act as much as possible like a local. But still, sometimes I will arrive at a room with a girl and get the stupid upselling routines and realize I have been conflated with the dumb tourists.
Der Auslander
07-19-18, 00:24
I thought English was supposed to be the smart language, the international language. How did it become the you-must-be-a-dumbass language? I used to think it was a smart language too but lately I have been reading some of the more recent posts on this Board and now I'm not so sure! ;)
Hadn't considered increased scrutiny of cash transactions and taxes as a cause for decreased FKK attendance. This theory makes sense for Germans and Italians who have been slow to go cashless, but have been inching toward it the last five years. Germany would be the biggest category of mongers. However, some of the main nationalities represented at FKKs have been quite cashless for a while: https://gomedici.com/which-countries-are-close-to-a-cashless-world/
But I can throw in another technology-related observation: smartphones and 4G networks. Nowadays if the wife or GF is away on business or visiting her parents, she might expect you to video chat. She may want to see your face. What if you are supposed to be at home, but she cannot see the walls of your living room in the background? Level of impact may be different depending on age demographic. This technology may have not penetrated the 50-70 age monger demographic. But the tech-savvy younger mongers, or mongers with younger significant others will see greater impact.Cash is still popular in Germany IIRC. I don't think governments care much about cash transactions unless it's somewhere in thousands. As for video chats on smartphones a person can always make an excuse for not answering such as phone being turn off. Nothing new really.
HeyyyyyyPaul
07-19-18, 09:17
Ok so I have my itinerary planned, what do you guys think? I have a car so no problems getting around.
Thursday: Babylon.
Friday: Acapulco (or dolce vita?
Saturday: World (or Sharks?
Sunday: Goldentime and maybe Living Room.
Monday: Samya.
I did Sharks before and loved it, I'm thinking of giving world a try! Or is it really bad?
Is there anywhere better in that area on a Friday?
Thanks for all the advice! What is YY and PHG? Will samya be good enough on a Monday?
FYI I had the midnight pizza at LR before, it's just cold hard crisp pizza they leave lying around. But when there is a cook it's very good food.The best thing about a place like samya is the club atmosphere on a weekend. I suggest you go there on a Saturday night.
Pistons,
You've been around the scene for some time and seem quite in tune with local trends. I would like to bump a theory from myself and some local friends that we believe has resulted in lower attendance by locals in clubs as well as a reduction in the amount of sessions per visit. I'm willing to hear from any others regarding the theory as well.
Our theory is that there is less untraced money in the hands of local men due to increased effort of local nations to capture black market spending. Many nations have started demanding all purchases above certain prices to be conducted via bank transfers. This results in the government tax authority to be able to trace the money. A secondary effect is that wives now see this money on the husbands books, making it harder for the man to hide spending cash in clubs.So Germans and some kind of locals would use FKKs as washing machine for money? Not only World for Hells?
My theory is very different, even I don't like to speak with guys in clubs except a very few, I only drive for beauties, but unfortunately for me I'm too known, so what I'm told is castings are down, I respect you enjoy and try to support a club, and I would really prefer to still write what I wrote 1 year ago because it would mean I have a top girl in this club, 1 is enough and the best for me, then no jealousy problems, but this club is more and more empty, even alcohol back, because of casting going down since end of 2017, if you look for beauties with real GFE behavior, it has been but not the good place at the moment if you don't want GND land. Even GT which is number 1 in NRW is average casting on 2018. Oase is also so average for looks, I don t even try anymore World where I had so pretty girls and the most perfect for look care in my whole life, I tasted her everywhere for our many rooms, sometimes 3 rooms on same Saturday, for 1 year, and she gave me my dream when she returned from her Easter 2015 . The only wow girl seen in whole Germany on 2018 , except my exceptional German escort, was at Sharks on mid June, but didn't want to stay in FKK land. A pretty girl also met at Mainhattan on beginning of June, great in bed but so complicated with her. 2 attractive girls met at YY, Fabienne and Geisha. This, working hard every week ends, not being stuck to only 1 club. Only good casting seen was at Sharks on mid June and I was surprised how business was slow for most of girls, even sexy Elen seen waiting for long time, sitting at the bar, even she is a Asians specialist.
I don't know about washing money, my money from working hard doesn't need, I know what worth my money and my behavior with women, so I don't want to pay for girls who are not pretty enough to be my GF in real life, or are not respectful.
For sure, I know Germans use brothels as bar / restaurant to meet other guys, to make saunas, to be massaged, to take sun, to watch football. Many dont give business to girls, like in your favorite club, when I give business when I succeed to find a beauty, and then I work to make her become enjoyable, to repeat with her. I drive for this.
Only my subjective theory of course, from a very different guy who only wants beauties.
Polyamorist. I share your heartfelt despair. The hardest thing as a native English speaker is to establish that I should get some respect from the girls. When I initiate contact in English as opposed to (bad) German or Romanian, the reaction is generally worse as it marks me down a a possible rich tourist used to paying inflated prices.
In fact I think I might get better service from a sex robot than from some of these girls who behave without humanity LOL.
ExpatLover
07-20-18, 09:06
Pistons,
You've been around the scene for some time and seem quite in tune with local trends. I would like to bump a theory from myself and some local friends that we believe has resulted in lower attendance by locals in clubs as well as a reduction in the amount of sessions per visit. I'm willing to hear from any others regarding the theory as well.
Our theory is that there is less untraced money in the hands of local men due to increased effort of local nations to capture black market spending. Many nations have started demanding all purchases above certain prices to be conducted via bank transfers. This results in the government tax authority to be able to trace the money. A secondary effect is that wives now see this money on the husbands books, making it harder for the man to hide spending cash in clubs.The situation is very complex and there is not only one reason. Less cash probably not the main reason just have a look at what is happening is Phuket, half of the bars are closed and still a lot of cash everywhere. For me we should not forget that most of the German mongers were looking for extreme sex like pooping, fisting, pissing. This was very easy to get from the German girls in the clubs, today very few German girls, also all the clubs are controlled by the Roumania mafia girls who are providing far lower service than the German one. Romanian girls are giving the less from all the nationalities in the clubs. Also like for Thailand a generation of mongers are now getting too old, or married or. To still be as active as 10 years back and the younger man are less prostitute oriented and use more often Tinder. Fucking bitches is okay for a while but not forever it is at least my opinion, I will just session exceptional beauties, 10 years back I was fucking more or less all kind of girls.
So Germans and some kind of locals would use FKKs as washing machine for money?For sure a majority of clubs are used for washing money, by the owners, not the clients. You missed my point slightly. These days there is not as much illegally earned untaxed cash in the hands of average citizens to spend in clubs. For sure the Dutch and German men found 4+ days per week in the same club have not all suddenly lost their appetites for sex. It's easy to tell a significant other that you are going to play golf with your friends and spend €110 for the golf, food and drinks. Excuses like that start failing when you return home less a couple hundred € every weekend and your significant other starts asking for explanations.
Polyamorist
07-20-18, 11:45
Polyamorist. I share your heartfelt despair. The hardest thing as a native English speaker is to establish that I should get some respect from the girls. When I initiate contact in English as opposed to (bad) German or Romanian, the reaction is generally worse as it marks me down a a possible rich tourist used to paying inflated prices.Na uzo billah, Optimist. To me it seems a bit crazy for Romanians to discriminate against non-locals because they themselves are very non-local and usually know little of the local culture- less than you or me.
Maybe the thing to do is speak English in a zany French accent. After all, Sir Ioja seems to have a good time. I'm thinking more Peter Sellers than Steve Martin.
Polyamorist. My German, french, and Romanian with English accent makes them laugh and sows confusion. They even have asked me what part of Romania I come from.
Mind you my English has become a bit syntax strange.A girl pointed out to me yesterday that I was speaking English with a German or Romanian (I forget which)sentence structure :D
I don't think they discriminate. It is just trying to profile which guests are high earners. Any US visitor is laden with money they think, simply because he has to pay the airfares. When I tell them my airfares are 100 return I can see them recalculating their profile of me a bit.
'Everything was better in the past'. We've all heard this statement a million times before. Sure the BBBJ rule has something to it, but aside from that, it is mostly in our heads.
Why the past allways seems happier than the present:
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/987726
- The FKK scene has peaked. Until 2 years ago you saw new FKK's popping up every 6 months. Big FKK's, and there was a boom in the market. Now the market is saturated, and there are perhaps one or two clubs too many to spread the girls around at. Leaving the impression that the clubs are having problems. The real story might just be market normalization after a boom period. Adding girls from all the FKK's together, the overall options haven't fallen at all. It is quite stable.
- Obesity is going up, and the average man don't exercise enough. Especially cardio. Before my latest venture into FKK land for me, I did some more cardio than I have done for some years. It resulted in me averaging 4 sessions a day for the first 4 days. And I had no issues finishing every time. On previous visits with less cardio, I have fallen down to 2/3 finishers.
Polyamorist
07-20-18, 17:43
The FKK scene has peaked. Until 2 years ago you saw new FKK's popping up every 6 months. Big FKK's, and there was a boom in the market. Now the market is saturated.Sayyid Pistons: it's not because the market is saturated that there are no new FKKs. It's because in 2017, the German government sent a big signal that it is hostile to FKKs. It increased raids, restricted immigration, imposed registration, etc. No sane moneymaker would want to start an FKK in this adverse legal climate.
Time for mongers to get the message and move on. Evolution is about adaptation and migration.
ExpatLover
07-20-18, 17:58
Sayyid Pistons: it's not because the market is saturated that there are no new FKKs. It's because in 2017, the German government sent a big signal that it is hostile to FKKs. It increased raids, restricted immigration, imposed registration, etc. No sane moneymaker would want to start an FKK in this adverse legal climate.
Time for mongers to get the message and move on. Evolution is about adaptation and migration.Right the message is not only against FKK but the prostitution in general, they are willing to strongly reducing the offer what is already taking place, so many girls are complaining about their incomes for about 2 years and are trying to do something else or to move to other countries.
Pistons. Yes the tendency is to romanticise a mythical past (in politics this takes a very dangerous turn). Personally I think some things are better now than they used to be (whatever the timescale), but on certain objective measures I am sure that FKK is now a caricature of its glory days.
Just my way of seeing.
Sayyid Pistons: it's not because the market is saturated that there are no new FKKs. It's because in 2017, the German government sent a big signal that it is hostile to FKKs. It increased raids, restricted immigration, imposed registration, etc. No sane moneymaker would want to start an FKK in this adverse legal climate.
Time for mongers to get the message and move on. Evolution is about adaptation and migration.I understand your statement about the German government sending a big signal that it is hostile toward FKKs, but I can also see things slightly from the governments viewpoint. Since their inception, FKK / Sauna Clubs have operated largely outside the realm of legal businesses. No regular industry; bar, restaurant, construction, etc. Would have been allowed to so openly operate outside the law for numerous years. The entire BBBJ section of the law is different. I know as an immigrant worker in Europe, I was required to register with the city, region and country. I also had to register with a professional guild. The company I helped establis and worked for had to register and undergo compliance reviews. I think the only reason the clubs were allowed such a long free run was they were not so numerous and many government officials were among the clients. I feel the rapid expansion of the clubs and heavy involvement of criminal elements in ownership and control of clubs forced government officials to take steps to bring about compliance on an equal level with other legit businesses.
One part of it may be that management has been told not to intervene with the girls as much as before too. So the girls aren't getting proper training at customer retention.
I do however know that many girls read this forum, so perhaps they might want to read this article too:
https://www.quicktapsurvey.com/blog/3-customer-service-tips-to-turn-return-customers-into-repeat-customers/
And the last problem I see is that at our point in time, 50 really is too cheap and 100 really is too high given inflation, spending power and market competition. But girls don't want to settle in the middle at 60 or 70 (because small notes are worthless? And nothing is worse than hustling about money if you want a repeat customer. So prices should be static and guys should know before entering and never have to discuss it with the girls. As soon as money is brought up in the conversation, alarm bells are ringing in the heads of every guy there, and negative impulses arise.
As an ex sales person myself with several years of experiences in it, I know that every negative impulse you give takes three times as long to fix. You need 3 positive impulses to fix any negative impulse. And every impulse is a price driving force. So as soon as you mention 'money', or word 'extra' from the girl (the guy should know about 'extra' policies when entering, and never discuss it with the girl) the willingness to pay falls, and the chances of having a return or repeat customer falls even lower. Right before a sale is locked, it is the worst time in the world to come with a negative impulse. So why in the world is this happening? Why is money brought up? Lack or experience among the girls, or poor training and knowledge is my only guess.
Lastly, the prices for 'extras' sounds out of touch. Who would pay 50 or even 30 extra for fingering? Who would pay 50 or even 30 extra for kissing and then see that only the bad kissers are the ones not including it for free. Or anal or BBBJ or whatever they try. An extra is never +100% or even +60% of the base price. An extra is normally +20% for single items, or maximum +40% for full extra bundles of 3-4 added items. This is plain micro economics to add maximum income. And if the girls really are there for maximising the income (as some openly suggest), then why don't they follow these simple rules?
- Obesity is going up, and the average man don't exercise enough. Especially cardio. Before my latest venture into FKK land for me, I did some more cardio than I have done for some years. It resulted in me averaging 4 sessions a day for the first 4 days. And I had no issues finishing every time. On previous visits with less cardio, I have fallen down to 2/3 finishers.How much cardio are you doing? I think you are spot on. My refractory period is terrible. I know every single trick in the book but I am not able to solve it. I think it's part genetic, part fitness condition.
Rogue Nation
07-22-18, 07:47
One part of it may be that management has been told not to intervene with the girls as much as before too. So the girls aren't getting proper training at customer retention.There's never been any customer retention training" for the girls. Girls are brought into the club, dumped there to make money. That's the only guideline. Make as much money as possible. Then they develop a strategy to achieve that. One way is good service at the standard rate to get repeat business. Another one is to make guys fall for you and milk them as good as you can. Or just try to rip guys (preferably tourists) off and take as much money as possible in a session with lousy service knowing the guy will never repeat and move on to the next victim.
Some clubs have set clear rules, others haven't. The effect of the new law is not as strong as members here might think.
Polyamorist
07-22-18, 10:39
Lastly, the prices for 'extras' sounds out of touch. Who would pay 50 or even 30 extra for fingering? Who would pay 50 or even 30 extra for kissing and then see that only the bad kissers are the ones not including it for free. Or anal or BBBJ or whatever they try. An extra is never +100% or even +60% of the base price. An extra is normally +20% for single items, or maximum +40% for full extra bundles of 3-4 added items. This is plain micro economics to add maximum income. And if the girls really are there for maximising the income (as some openly suggest), then why don't they follow these simple rules?Salaam Pistons, I totally agree. The girls do not act in their own economic self-interest at all.
In fact I would go further and abolish the concept of "extras" entirely. There is just too much cheating and ill will around the concept. Customers don't come back when upselling occurs, so there is a huge loss of income for the girls. It's a hidden loss, so that's why it continues. The short-term gains of upselling are more visible and give a rush of pleasure like winning the lottery on those rare occasions they are successful, so girls can get hooked on it. But those gains are erased ten times over by the loss in repeat business.
Maybe there are a couple of things that could legitimately be called extras like watersp0 rts and BDSM, but it would be safer to have these in a different type of session entirely.
How much cardio are you doing? I think you are spot on. My refractory period is terrible. I know every single trick in the book but I am not able to solve it. I think it's part genetic, part fitness condition.To recover faster, no smoke, nor alcohol, but sport and being fit. If club have a swimming pool, swimming is good because relaxing, playing football at Oase or LR is also good.
Salaam Pistons, I totally agree. The girls do not act in their own economic self-interest at all.
.....Customers don't come back when upselling occurs, so there is a huge loss of income for the girls. It's a hidden loss, so that's why it continues. The short-term gains of upselling are more visible and give a rush of pleasure like winning the lottery on those rare occasions they are successful, so girls can get hooked on it. But those gains are erased ten times over by the loss in repeat business.
Perfectly put. I know that by upselling you mean charging for extras which should be part of a basic service, and not offering to sell services which were never any part of basic service (as you suggest, [CodeWord117] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117), fisting, SM and so on).
Unfortunately in some clubs clients have allowed the girls to succeed to a large degree. And in these places the hidden loss probably become much less. Maybe I am a weirdo, but I know that in my case the hidden loss to the girls can be quantified as being about 4000 euros this year so far
Pistons, as far as I can make out Oase management is encouraging girls to offer only suck and fuck for 50, so I doubt they will intervene, especially as the club seems to be on a high
ExpatLover
07-22-18, 13:04
Salaam Pistons, I totally agree. The girls do not act in their own economic self-interest at all.
In fact I would go further and abolish the concept of "extras" entirely. There is just too much cheating and ill will around the concept. Customers don't come back when upselling occurs, so there is a huge loss of income for the girls. It's a hidden loss, so that's why it continues. The short-term gains of upselling are more visible and give a rush of pleasure like winning the lottery on those rare occasions they are successful, so girls can get hooked on it. But those gains are erased ten times over by the loss in repeat business.
Maybe there are a couple of things that could legitimately be called extras like watersp0 rts and BDSM, but it would be safer to have these in a different type of session entirely.Most of the girls are not the queen of strategic marketing, they just follow their basic instinct sometimes under negative influence of alcohol, drug, pimp. But by visiting prostitutes are we not also following our basic instincts.
Most of the girls have low education, usually one of the parents is dead, or they are divorced, some of them are pretty but don t expect too much from them. If the girls were clever they will never work in a club or a brothel, may be we should never forget this point, advice some of you to meet real German escorts, personally more than 100, to really feel the difference of level and ask those escorts if they will work in a FKK club.
How much cardio are you doing? I think you are spot on. My refractory period is terrible. I know every single trick in the book but I am not able to solve it. I think it's part genetic, part fitness condition.Well, I never do hard cardio more than 20 minutes at a time (max length of most sex sessions), but try to do some gym 5 times a week with varying amounts of cardio. But my 20 minute runs is what I added these past months that I feel did the trick. Stair climbs in particular, but I hear spinning can give good results too. Not sure how running works as you don't lift your knees high enough. The thighs are important for sex after all.
Member #4581
07-22-18, 21:24
One part of it may be that management has been told not to intervene with the girls as much as before too. So the girls aren't getting proper training at customer retention.
I do however know that many girls read this forum, so perhaps they might want to read this article too:
https://www.quicktapsurvey.com/blog/3-customer-service-tips-to-turn-return-customers-into-repeat-customers/
And the last problem I see is that at our point in time, 50 really is too cheap and 100 really is too high given inflation, spending power and market competition. But girls don't want to settle in the middle at 60 or 70 (because small notes are worthless? And nothing is worse than hustling about money if you want a repeat customer. So prices should be static and guys should know before entering and never have to discuss it with the girls. As soon as money is brought up in the conversation, alarm bells are ringing in the heads of every guy there, and negative impulses arise.
As an ex sales person myself with several years of experiences in it, I know that every negative impulse you give takes three times as long to fix. You need 3 positive impulses to fix any negative impulse. And every impulse is a price driving force. So as soon as you mention 'money', or word 'extra' from the girl (the guy should know about 'extra' policies when entering, and never discuss it with the girl) the willingness to pay falls, and the chances of having a return or repeat customer falls even lower. Right before a sale is locked, it is the worst time in the world to come with a negative impulse. So why in the world is this happening? Why is money brought up? Lack or experience among the girls, or poor training and knowledge is my only guess.
Lastly, the prices for 'extras' sounds out of touch. Who would pay 50 or even 30 extra for fingering? Who would pay 50 or even 30 extra for kissing and then see that only the bad kissers are the ones not including it for free. Or anal or BBBJ or whatever they try. An extra is never +100% or even +60% of the base price. An extra is normally +20% for single items, or maximum +40% for full extra bundles of 3-4 added items. This is plain micro economics to add maximum income. And if the girls really are there for maximising the income (as some openly suggest), then why don't they follow these simple rules?Good points! Well articulated.
I think one explanation, as RN mentioned, is that these girls are not well trained sales people looking out for maximization of long term earnings, but looking to take as much as possible in the immediate future from many punters. And they don't have any mentors to tell them differently. If anything, they learn from other girls who were there before and behave the same exact way.
Kosher Kowboy
07-22-18, 22:05
Well, I never do hard cardio more than 20 minutes at a time (max length of most sex sessions), but try to do some gym 5 times a week with varying amounts of cardio. But my 20 minute runs is what I added these past months that I feel did the trick. Stair climbs in particular, but I hear spinning can give good results too. Not sure how running works as you don't lift your knees high enough. The thighs are important for sex after all.I have for the last three weeks in preparation for Man vs Condom II been using the elliptical machine 5 times a week for 60 min and doing laps in the pool for 30-60 minutes as well too cool off (95-100 every fucking day here!) I dropped 5 pounds and the other night put things to a test and paid 80 bucks for a covered blow job / covered sex girl (prepare for the worst hope for the best, kind of like a batter in the on deck circle weighing his bat down before stepping up to the plate) and the system seems to be working better than before. Temperatures in Frankfurt the next two weeks look brutal and Day Care's AirCon is opening the front and back door hoping for wind so I may end up in Air Conditioned clubs as it is no fun sitting in sweat and showering in puddles of fungi.
Optimist, the on deck circle is where a batter stands and waits as he will be the next guy to bat and they take practice swings while he waits his turn. I hope you can understand that without needing a translation in to cricket if not the guy on deck is kind of like the guy standing in line for a girl getting fucked in a gangbang ready to shove it in when the guy in front of him finishes up. I am pretty sure that one makes sense. The guy behind the guy on deck is said to be ' in the hole. '. That being said I am sure you have been in all those situations either at bat or second or third in line!
:D
There's never been any customer retention training" for the girls. Girls are brought into the club, dumped there to make money. That's the only guideline. Make as much money as possible. Then they develop a strategy to achieve that. One way is good service at the standard rate to get repeat business. Another one is to make guys fall for you and milk them as good as you can. Or just try to rip guys (preferably tourists) off and take as much money as possible in a session with lousy service knowing the guy will never repeat and move on to the next victim.Well, some call it club rules, others may call it customer retention training. The purpose is the same for the clubs: making more money on return customer. Some clubs did nore of it in the past, but less so now (Artemis) perhaps due to bad framing with a vile purpose on what was being done. Other clubs followed more or less. Some not at all.
The last part of the quote I made here is just an assumption. Nobody can know that a 'tourist' will never return. Travel is now so cheap that no matter where he comes from, he can return and repeat 20 times. Not to mention word of mouth, Japanese blogs or 20 internet forums which affect a potential amount of repeat sessions up to ten times larger. (This is mentioned in the blog post I linked also by the way). So the idea of scamming a tourist might have worked 20 years ago, but not in 2018. Today it is like biting your own tail.
I also do the elliptical machine, but I feel it is useless at slow pace. But you can go max 1 km on it, then 90 sec rest and another 1 km maybe 3 times. And push yourself to the max. I can average at over 22 km / h in one kilometer on it. 60 minutes on it just makes you into a marathon runner, and I don't know how good that is for sex. Your dick will be hurting after two sessions that long even if your heart will take it. But the stair climbs or spinning affects sex much better. Blood comes from the thighs, and so you want to lift your knees as high as possible during exercise.
ExpatLover
07-23-18, 00:20
How much cardio are you doing? I think you are spot on. My refractory period is terrible. I know every single trick in the book but I am not able to solve it. I think it's part genetic, part fitness condition.For me the best thing to be fit is to control our weight, for example if you are 180 high you should never be over 80 kilos, 175 and 75 kilos, second eat as less meat as possible, never drink cola, or other sweet drinks, eating as less sugar as possible, no cake, no ice cream, very few alcohol, sleeping at least 8 hours obviously no smoking. Exercise every week at least 3 times but not less than 45 minutes each time. I am 60 yo for many people I look 50, can still have 3 times sex a day without any blue pill.
Good points! Well articulated.
I think one explanation, as RN mentioned, is that these girls are not well trained sales people looking out for maximization of long term earnings, but looking to take as much as possible in the immediate future from many punters. And they don't have any mentors to tell them differently. If anything, they learn from other girls who were there before and behave the same exact way.To me it would be an interesting statistic to see the relationship between the entry price the club charges the woman compared to the amount of upselling by the women working in the club.
I was speaking to a woman who was an aggressive upseller, her asking would cost me minimum €200 per hour. I told her at her asking rates I was better off driving back to my regular area to hobby, eating €150 in petrol and a second club entry price, where I get €50/30 min sessions with all her extras included. She countered and told me that with her entry and nightly charge for a place to eat she would need five €50/30 min sessions before she made her first €15 of the day. When she had raised this to the club management she was told, many women working there are making money providing normarl services after one hour, she just needed a better approach. After a week of working there she had become an upselling queen. Another complaint she had about this club was the hands on approach by the male management and security team, taking liberties with frequent free touches and making comments that if she didn't like it they could send her on a vacation.
Some other clubs I attend with lower entry costs for both men and women, have lower rates per full 30 min sessions with DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS all included for €50 or less. Some clubs have a €30/20 min quicky for CBJ and CFS. I was speaking with a woman at one of these clubs and she said she was €10 in the positive after 2 x €40/30 min sessions, in a club where men rarely stay in the room after they finish even when the woman offers, so most sessions are 20 min or less. She did say a couple women complained about how much time she spent talking with me outside the room. I asked her about the hands on approach and she said, the male staff never touches any of the women. She included that they also made it clear that male clients should not me groping and touching outside of the paid session and she has been told on multiple occasions to notify them if a client or other staff member gets out of control. She told me she had worked at a club with nicer facilities, where two of the male managers, their friends and employees who worked in capacities outside the clubs all felt entitled to free access. She said she never expected she would like working at what appeared to be a much lesser club but that she was much happier feeling more respecting.
Kosher. If the girl is the batsperson, I like to be at Silly Mid-On, waiting either to catch the prize or get smashed in the face. Life is not something to be taken as a tepid bath.
Often I have been in the baseball hole, waiting hours for my favourites, or in the case of Raissa at World the other day, waiting in the hope that the batter might eventually release her and remove the blindfold from my face. Unfortunately I never left the hole.
Piston and KK. I used to run imagining that it was a way of keeping ahead of the Grim Reaper. Now I think more that every fewer millimetre round my belly will at least make me less offensive to working girls. Although a better way would be to paste euros round my abdomen.
... scamming a tourist might have worked 20 years ago, but not in 2018. Today it is like biting your own tail.Logically you are correct. But I have failed completely to convince any girl who scams tourists of the logic. As someone (Polyamorist) said, the girls create a longer term hidden loss for themselves for the buzz of a short term high / profit.
Personally I think there are many many more girls fleecing tourist than there were 16 years ago.
Cheers.
Rogue Nation
07-23-18, 16:39
So the idea of scamming a tourist might have worked 20 years ago, but not in 2018. Today it is like biting your own tail.It does work for many girls as they have been around day by day in whatever club and so they seem to make enough money. Same for those clubs as they do not intervene.
MarquisdeSade1
07-23-18, 16:41
Sayyid Pistons: it's not because the market is saturated that there are no new FKKs. It's because in 2017, the German government sent a big signal that it is hostile to FKKs. It increased raids, restricted immigration, imposed registration, etc. No sane moneymaker would want to start an FKK in this adverse legal climate.
Time for mongers to get the message and move on. Evolution is about adaptation and migration.Touche.
When I go in to Sharks on a cold rainy Tuesday and its packed but I'm the only non Asian or Muslim in the place LOL.
I would say its time to move on to greener pastures.
I have failed completely to convince any girl who scams tourists of the logic. As someone (Polyamorist) said, the girls create a longer term hidden loss for themselves for the buzz of a short term high / profit.I hate scam artists. I try not to patronize any club where management does not hold the WGs accountable or take customer complaints seriously.
At the same time, I am not surprised that your attempts to convince them were an utter failure. Optimist, I know you are diplomatic and have the common sense to exercise tact, but people don't like being told that they are not doing their job correctly, especially young, headstrong people who already think they know everything. I am surprised the WGs didn't take offense to the notion that you know more about their jobs than they do.
I too used to believe, "these scam artist WGs are so stupid and short-sighted. Don't they see that they are damaging their brand and long term earning potential". But it has become so prevalent, that I question those beliefs now. Surely the younger WGs are watching, observing, and mimicking those WGs that came before them. They see which WGs are making money and which ones aren't. Therefore they must have come to the conclusion that the scam artist approach produces results. Am I giving the WGs too much credit for having the intelligence to learn by observation?
Reviews matter for restaurants and hotels, but maybe not so much for WGs. Monger characteristics are slightly different:
1. Many mongers don't repeat even if they have a thoroughly good session. There was no "spark". Or the monger just has insatiable need to try new WGs.
2. Many mongers don't write on forums or talk to other mongers while in the club, so they don't actually enhance a WG's brand via word-of-mouth.
3. Many mongers don't have encyclopedic knowledge of the service reputation for each WG. From speaking to others, I have found that most mongers who attend regularly indeed read the forums, but many just skim reports and really only know the "service reputation" of the most-mentioned WGs.
4. Many mongers use recommendations only as a "guide" and sometimes ignore them altogether. For instance, I know one group of about five guys who monger regularly together. For some of the higher optic WGs, there will be cases where each guy has sessioned the same WG, despite the fact that all of them considered her "Mediocre no repeat. Too much upsell". What lesson did this WG take away from this experience? Well, I say it was reinforcement of bad behavior: "I gave mediocre service to all friends in this group, yet over the last six months each of them still decided to take me to the room. Negative reviews must not matter".
McAdonis. Well argued persuasive points.
The girls did not take offence but argued their cases forcefully with me. I did not lecture them ((I have only discussed this with such girls in maybe half a dozen cases) but dealt with it more as a suggestion and discussion. In reply they made points similar to you plus referred to examples of guys who paid huge sums for short periods in rooms saying, for example, that they could afford to lose 10 50 euro rooms in order to get the chance of one room for 500 an hour (when a known big payer was in the club)
I fear, as you fear and for the reasons you suggest, that in tourist clubs at least, the balance continues to shift so that short term overcharging is in fact also the most lucrative long term option for a girl.
In clubs where tourists do not dominate I think your points are not so persuasive since there are repeat local customers who read the excellent local forums we high give clear girl by girl assessments and often the guys know each other. Here we have an informed clientele. In such clubs one can often see a beautiful gazelle sitting unemployed for hours whilst plain girls are busy: a reflection of their respective service reputations.
Of course, some girls agree with me, but these are the ones who are already doing what I think is good practice: good service for repeat custom. I was in these cases just reinforcing their views
MarquisdeSade1
07-23-18, 21:47
I hate scam artists. I try not to patronize any club where management does not hold the WGs accountable or take customer complaints seriously.
At the same time, I am not surprised that your attempts to convince them were an utter failure. Optimist, I know you are diplomatic and have the common sense to exercise tact, but people don't like being told that they are not doing their job correctly, especially young, headstrong people who already think they know everything. I am surprised the WGs didn't take offense to the notion that you know more about their jobs than they do.
I too used to believe, "these scam artist WGs are so stupid and short-sighted. Don't they see that they are damaging their brand and long term earning potential". But it has become so prevalent, that I question those beliefs now. Surely the younger WGs are watching, observing, and mimicking those WGs that came before them. They see which WGs are making money and which ones aren't. Therefore they must have come to the conclusion that the scam artist approach produces results. Am I giving the WGs too much credit for having the intelligence to learn by observation?.For instance, I know one group of about five guys who monger regularly together. For some of the higher optic WGs.
Are these 5 Asian tourists?
ExpatLover
07-23-18, 22:09
I hate scam artists. I try not to patronize any club where management does not hold the WGs accountable or take customer complaints seriously.
At the same time, I am not surprised that your attempts to convince them were an utter failure. Optimist, I know you are diplomatic and have the common sense to exercise tact, but people don't like being told that they are not doing their job correctly, especially young, headstrong people who already think they know everything. I am surprised the WGs didn't take offense to the notion that you know more about their jobs than they do..Correct I will never report about a girl just because I think it is useless, chemistry between people is the key for nice sessions, the girls are not a product they have the right to do things with one monger but not with the other, some girls will never go with Turkish guys or with black one, or with Indian or with old guys like me. The non selective girls are usually not my type at all.
Any discussion needs profound criticisms, and I feel McAdonis listed most of them.
But I also don't feel his arguments cover 100% of the clientelle. Maybe it covers 50 or even 70% of the clientelle. In either cases that means a drop off at 30% or 50%. Or maybe just 10%. But a 10% loss, is still a loss.
But as soon as these absolute numbers fall to 90,70% or even 50%, the new mongers may turn more hardcore and read up on stuff. Thus entering the market Optimist talks about, and the drop of may increase another 10 or 20%.
What saves some girls with poor service or high upsells is thus the constant influx of new mongers in the first category. And as time goes by, over half of them get funneled out, and the repeats are lost.
If upselling and reduced interactions in the room passes the threshold where the drop of is higher than the influx of new mongers, the total market shrinks. And as far as I can tell, that is where we are at the moment.
You mention yourself as someone not liking clubs with bad customer service reviews, so yourself is one example of this theory holding up as well.
Polyamorist
07-24-18, 01:17
In clubs where tourists do not dominate I think your points are not so persuasive since there are repeat local customers who read the excellent local forums we high give clear girl by girl assessments and often the guys know each other. Here we have an informed clientele. In such clubs one can often see a beautiful gazelle sitting unemployed for hours whilst plain girls are busy: a reflection of their respective service reputations.So true, Optimus Prime. I was in a club with a good local clientele recently and I talked to a girl and asked her how business was, and she said, "Not good, I only make about 3000-4000 CHF a month. " I was stunned, because she was the most beautiful girl in the club. A waitress would make more than that here!
She was trying to be friendly with me. She was a stunner and I wanted to go with her, but there was something about her many negative comments which made me feel she could turn bad in the room.
Later on, I was talking to a confident Bulgarian girl. She had been in the club a long time and was making a lot of money, even though she was a bit less attractive, what I would call a 7. I happened to mention the other girl's plight to her, and she smiled slyly and said, "It's not always about looks".
Anyway, if someone wants to make the argument, "Scam artists are absolutely right to try to scam people because in tourist clubs they could make a lot of money," there's a very simple conclusion to be drawn: "Don't go to tourist clubs".
BigBuddy69
07-24-18, 08:45
4000 CHF is equal to 3400 €, I'd like to be a waiter in this country.
4000 CHF is equal to 3400 , I'd like to be a waiter in this country.Average salary in Switzerland is more than 4000 CHF.
TimePassPune
07-25-18, 09:52
Dear all,
I am an occasional monger from India having travelled to most of the south east Asian countries. Some business opportunities bring me to the FKKland. Having heard so much and read so much, want to ensure that do not miss the opportunity for the same. Have done some RTTF over the forums and there seems to be so much information. I shall be based for a couple of days in Frankfurt.
Would really appreciate if fellow mongers could share some light on following:
- Discrimination against Indians. From what I understand most of the FKKs near Frankfurt there should not be any issues. Also without any German knowledge, will there be any challenges?
- Best FKK to visit near Frankfurt which is both convenient considering I am not driving and shall use a public transport and also which shall give the best experience in terms of quality as well as service?
- Generally which club has more couch action. I understand Oase is the one to go for the same?
- Which should be the best day and time to visit the club?
Am sure all of these questions have been asked multiple times but guess if you guys could share in 1 report would surely appreciate the same.
Cheers and happy mongering.
Tp.
FunExplorer
07-25-18, 17:43
Dear all,
I am an occasional monger from India having travelled to most of the south east Asian countries. Some business opportunities bring me to the FKKland. Having heard so much and read so much, want to ensure that do not miss the opportunity for the same. Have done some RTTF over the forums and there seems to be so much information. I shall be based for a couple of days in Frankfurt.
Would really appreciate if fellow mongers could share some light on following:
- Discrimination against Indians. From what I understand most of the FKKs near Frankfurt there should not be any issues. Also without any German knowledge, will there be any challenges?
- Best FKK to visit near Frankfurt which is both convenient considering I am not driving and shall use a public transport and also which shall give the best experience in terms of quality as well as service?.1. Usually there is no discrimination. After all girls are interested in money and your ethnicity does not matter.
2. Most girls speak English and therefore your not knowing German does not matter much.
3. I would rate Share as the place to go in Frankfurt.
4. There is wealth of information if you care to go through 50 pages back!
Have fun.
FunExplorer
07-28-18, 11:51
1. Usually there is no discrimination. After all girls are interested in money and your ethnicity does not matter.
2. Most girls speak English and therefore your not knowing German does not matter much.
3. I would rate Share as the place to go in Frankfurt.
4. There is wealth of information if you care to go through 50 pages back!
Have fun.I would rate Shark as the best place to go in Frankfurt and not Share!
TimePassPune
07-29-18, 11:29
I would rate Shark as the best place to go in Frankfurt and not Share!Thanks for the feedback and I think shall proceed with Shark.
Just a quick further question. Am planning to travel direct from FRA Airport and shall be carrying luggage with me. Is it possible for me to keep the same in a locker or somewhere in the premises?
Cheers,
Tp.
ExpatLover
07-29-18, 17:30
Thanks for the feedback and I think shall proceed with Shark.
Just a quick further question. Am planning to travel direct from FRA Airport and shall be carrying luggage with me. Is it possible for me to keep the same in a locker or somewhere in the premises?
Cheers,
Tp.It depends of the mood of the receptionist, sometimes she will accept but sometimes she told me that today there is not enough space.
Rogue Nation
07-29-18, 17:35
4000 CHF is equal to 3400 , I'd like to be a waiter in this country.Go. And check the prices in the major cities. Here's an example for a restaurant in Geneva. https://www.brasserie-lipp.com/menu/ A vegetable couscous as a main course: 38 SFR.
Or a 250 g steak in Zürich for 58 SFR.
FunExplorer
07-30-18, 06:12
Thanks for the feedback and I think shall proceed with Shark.
Just a quick further question. Am planning to travel direct from FRA Airport and shall be carrying luggage with me. Is it possible for me to keep the same in a locker or somewhere in the premises?
Cheers,
Tp.Yes you can. Check at the reception. Valuables you can keep in a locker which is provided but not suitcases.
TeaInTheSun
07-31-18, 09:57
Thanks for the feedback and I think shall proceed with Shark.
Just a quick further question. Am planning to travel direct from FRA Airport and shall be carrying luggage with me. Is it possible for me to keep the same in a locker or somewhere in the premises?
Cheers,
Tp.Hey,
You can find easily locker rooms at the airport or central station. Depending size of luggage you pay between €6 and €8. You can leave your stuff there. Normally, I do that and I just carry my backpack with a rain jacket, own sandals, perfumes or smaller things that I will need!
Kosher Kowboy
08-02-18, 03:18
Any of you guys use or know of international health coverage plans that are actually worth it and reputable? Our health care plans (at least mine) affords me no coverage internationally. I notice when I buy my airline tickets (at least on the Delta site) at the very end an option is given for insurance polices that cover trip insurance plus medical coverage while abroad. Looks like some company Allianz is who Delta uses as the underwriter.
https://www.delta.com/merch/searchTripInsuranceAction.action ; covers both trip insurance as well as emergency medical, dental etc. I don't really care to pay some policy to insure my luggage etc. I can go buy what I need if lost. I also am not worried about having a minor issue like a few stitches or a broken finger more so only major medical. I can pay cash if I had to for the minor things. I am not really worried about paying for any unwanted gifts from Day Care Centers either, a doctors visit and a pill is about all that would be. Cash. However, I think I am ok with that as I do not do the std 70 hours and I do not go anywhere near the hazardous M&M's. I found out they are all micro chipped and anyone who eats them and doesn't partake of a Gypsy is susceptible to a timed release strand of whatever was put in them and triggered to inflict major penile pain that matches the time it takes to drive from Voltastrasse to Sharks or Oase.
I did not give this much thought until a family member mentioned it to me today when I told them 2019 starts off with 16 days in Spain and yes, the ' Sin goma' search is on and going well, the Spaniards seem to love AO as much as anyone. I actually found a German guy I think who likes it more than I. Some Gypsy had a client who wanted a second guy to join in so I was a sport and played along. I just let her do her thing as I speak no German but it was obvious what he really wanted was a DNA donation in his Gypsy's twat as the minute I blew in her she wasted no time jumping up off me and sitting on his face and he seemed to thoroughly enjoy his red, white and blue DNA thirst quenching treatment. As to the rest of that session will just say:
' What happens at Dietzenbach will stay between Optimist and I '.
Although WhatsApp has or will have a record of my culpability in the Trans-Atlantic communication. I actually think this Gypsy enjoyed the session the most. In 30 years and thousands of tutes I have never seen one enjoy a session as much as this. Laughed and talked filthy German non stop and was proud of not Vashing until 30 minutes had passed and she had been paid. Spain seems full of girls like this, some of their ads are pure filth and smut nearly begging for their pussies to be used as cum dumpsters. I am already testing the waters and had positive replies from a few Iberian Gypsies so far. (Not sure what to call them yet, putas is too bland and boring). Hopefully I will make it out of Spain unscathed without a trip to any doctors or hospitals.
But in the event something happens, anywhere I may travel for that matter;.
Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with these international plans that all pop up online? Are they even worth it? I guess they can't be any worse than our own policies that we can't even use. Seems deductibles are about $2 K-$4 K which is fine as the only things I am really worried about are major medical, medical transport back to the states or ambulances / helicopter evacuations in case a taxi runs off the road and smashes in to a tree on the way to Day Care. I estimate between the rest of 2018 and 2019 there will be about 65-90 days abroad, not sure, somewhere in that range. Either way I probably should have some coverage.
Any of you guys use or know of international health coverage plans that are actually worth it and reputable? Our health care plans (at least mine) affords me no coverage internationally. I notice when I buy my airline tickets (at least on the Delta site) at the very end an option is given for insurance polices that cover trip insurance plus medical coverage while abroad. Looks like some company Allianz is who Delta uses as the underwriter.
https://www.delta.com/merch/searchTripInsuranceAction.action ; covers both trip insurance as well as emergency medical, dental etc. I don't really care to pay some policy to insure my luggage etc. I can go buy what I need if lost. I also am not worried about having a minor issue like a few stitches or a broken finger more so only major medical. I can pay cash if I had to for the minor things. I am not really worried about paying for any unwanted gifts from Day Care Centers either, a doctors visit and a pill is about all that would be. Cash. However, I think I am ok with that as I do not do the std 70 hours and I do not go anywhere near the hazardous M&M's. I found out they are all micro chipped and anyone who eats them and doesn't partake of a Gypsy is susceptible to a timed release strand of whatever was put in them and triggered to inflict major penile pain that matches the time it takes to drive from Voltastrasse to Sharks or Oase..I was curious about the insurance offered by Delta. I found the following review.
https://www.aardvarkcompare.com/blog/deltas-travel-insurance-worth-buying-video/
According to this review there are better options available if you shop around.
Is saunaclub Babylon (near koln) better on a Thursday or a Friday? What about Samya? Thinking of then doing sharks on Saturday, Goldentime+living room Sunday after this. Anything worth doing on Monday or should I just call someone over. Any good agencies or just talk to girls I liked over the weekend?
Is saunaclub Babylon (near koln) better on a Thursday or a Friday? What about Samya? Thinking of then doing sharks on Saturday, Goldentime+living room Sunday after this. Anything worth doing on Monday or should I just call someone over. Any good agencies or just talk to girls I liked over the weekend?Samya is at its best on Friday and Saturday, after 6 pm.
Usually, quite large casting at Bab on Thursday, but holidays time now.
You go to LR for pizzas on a Sunday evening?
Better to take appointment for Monday. I would go only to Sharks on a Monday.
Maybe I would visit GT on Friday, maybe LR on evening, Samya on Saturday, Sharks on Sunday with entry 50 before 2 pm, and on Monday.
Is saunaclub Babylon (near koln) better on a Thursday or a Friday? What about Samya? Thinking of then doing sharks on Saturday, Goldentime+living room Sunday after this. Anything worth doing on Monday or should I just call someone over. Any good agencies or just talk to girls I liked over the weekend?LR will be slow on Sundays. I still find nice women but was to make sure you aren't expecting 45 ladies and 70 bears. Bab and Samya are party clubs on Friday night. It can be quite nice if you're looking for that environment.
HeyyyyyyPaul
08-16-18, 19:07
General report of recent trip.
_Sharks_.
Lineup level 8. 5/10.
As usual, large quantity and quality. Just about any type of girl that you want will be here.
Saw a dude buy his "girlfriend" (shorter blonde chick with short hair and tattoo in the middle of her chest) mcdonalds despite the tasty bbq. Guess that's the same meat everyday and they all get tired of it.
Surprisingly not very busy for a Wednesday as the massage people kept going around looking for customers.
_Luder_.
Lineup level 7/10.
This place still has the "Globe" name and branding all over it.
Easily the best lineup of the rtc clubs that I've been to. Most were fuckable.
Went with blonde Sara Ro. 10 years ago would be one of the prettier girls at sharks.
Very good action on the couch (DFK, nipple licking, etc) portends to a solid session in the room w / o complaints.
Lacking passion, but solid session nonetheless.
_Oceans_.
Lineup level 8/10.
What a underrated place. Of course with the entree to order, this place had the best food. Pretty damn good deal at the 25 e entry point.
Nicer facilities than sharks or oase and has the look and feel of a higher end vegas strip club. Very classy place and the women here acted like it.
Was there on a Friday and about 30 girls. Was dead when I left at around 9. Sad and you have to wonder why this place isn't more crowded.
_VV_.
Lineup level 6/10.
The usual lineup. The thing about this place is the disciplined approach to sex that I love. It begs the question "What if we could have white girl looks with asian girl submissiveness. ".
Took the girl that was by the door. The most diligent with the amount of work she was doing and probably not the prettiest, was attractive in those regards. Submissive and enjoyable fuck. Very satisfying.
_Babylon_.
Lineup level 7. 5/10.
Jam packed on a Thursday at noon. The pool area was full with girls playing in the pool and bears sitting alongside watching.
Looks like the remodeling awhile ago has paid off.
Mostly a GND lineup. Took this newer girl there that looked like a shorter aubrey plaza. Average session for this place but she did like to kiss and suckle.
_Bahamas_.
Lineup level 6/10.
One of these local clubs in the frankfurt area. A bit more easy going than Dietz but was packed on a Wednesday.
There were literally no girls available by 9 pm. That wasn't a big deal since this place had a lineup that was on par with VV.
_Samya_.
Lineup level 7/10.
Same old same old. Lineup doesn't look to have changed at all from a few months ago.
Still worth going on a weekend and second best food as the turks really know how to push out tasty food here.
Thanks for your extensive write up.
_Oceans_.
Lineup level 8/10.
What a underrated place. Of course with the entree to order, this place had the best food. Pretty damn good deal at the 25 e entry point.
Nicer facilities than sharks or oase and has the look and feel of a higher end vegas strip club. Very classy place and the women here acted like it.
Was there on a Friday and about 30 girls. Was dead when I left at around 9. Sad and you have to wonder why this place isn't more crowded.
Depends of course on your taste, but most local (German, NL, be, EU) mongers value a club not (only) on its hardware / infra, but mostly on service level of the girls, and that MUST include DFK and BBBJ at least (as was the norm a few years ago, before many tourists from abroad compared the larger FKKs with high-end strip joints).
In Oceans you can of course find a gem (as in any club) but most girls are known for lack of intimate, passionate service.
ExpatLover
08-17-18, 12:49
Thanks for your extensive write up.
Depends of course on your taste, but most local (German, NL, be, EU) mongers value a club not (only) on its hardware / infra, but mostly on service level of the girls, and that MUST include DFK and BBBJ at least (as was the norm a few years ago, before many tourists from abroad compared the larger FKKs with high-end strip joints).
In Oceans you can of course find a gem (as in any club) but most girls are known for lack of intimate, passionate service.It is a Turkish club, and those guys are mostly married so they don't want to kiss or lick the pussy, just fuck fuck with condom.
Kosher Kowboy
08-17-18, 17:04
This was sent to me by a friend on business in Germany now, is this club open still, using another name, closed down etc? Sort of looks like an in and out quick cheap Charlie club. If it still exists.
https://www.fkk-caribic.de/Home
It also has a second link, https://www.fkk24.de/fkk-caribic.
Rogue Nation
08-17-18, 17:28
This was sent to me by a friend on business in Germany now, is this club open still, using another name, closed down etc? Sort of looks like an in and out quick cheap Charlie club. If it still exists.
https://www.fkk-caribic.de/Home
It also has a second link, https://www.fkk24.de/fkk-caribic.Small run down club with about 4-8 girls in Wiesbaden (Mainz-Kastel). Clients can choose whether to change into FKK dress or stay in clothes.
Thanks for your extensive write up.
Depends of course on your taste, but most local (German, NL, be, EU) mongers value a club not (only) on its hardware / infra, but mostly on service level of the girls, and that MUST include DFK and BBBJ at least (as was the norm a few years ago, before many tourists from abroad compared the larger FKKs with high-end strip joints).
In Oceans you can of course find a gem (as in any club) but most girls are known for lack of intimate, passionate service.My first criteria for value in any club is beauties. If I find some beauties, I'm motivated to work on girls to make them improve for me, what I did with most of my weekly regulars, but I'm not interested for sex with GND.
Several have asked about places that offer day or week passes. Perhaps this might be helpful: https://www.fitfox.de/en/gyms/Frankfurt%20am%20Main/.
Many places have nice pools. There is a place in Cologne with trendy Crossfit equipment that costs 30 EUR per week.
FunExplorer
08-18-18, 16:26
Small run down club with about 4-8 girls in Wiesbaden (Mainz-Kastel). Clients can choose whether to change into FKK dress or stay in clothes.Is it worth a visit? Are girls nude?
One part of it may be that management has been told not to intervene with the girls as much as before too. So the girls aren't getting proper training at customer retention.
I do however know that many girls read this forum, so perhaps they might want to read this article too:
https://www.quicktapsurvey.com/blog/3-customer-service-tips-to-turn-return-customers-into-repeat-customers/
And the last problem I see is that at our point in time, 50 really is too cheap and 100 really is too high given inflation, spending power and market competition. But girls don't want to settle in the middle at 60 or 70 (because small notes are worthless? And nothing is worse than hustling about money if you want a repeat customer. So prices should be static and guys should know before entering and never have to discuss it with the girls. As soon as money is brought up in the conversation, alarm bells are ringing in the heads of every guy there, and negative impulses arise.I agree with the above, but isn't the idea to exceed the customer experience and this way induce repeat business? I read this blog that I think has some points: https://tabsurvey.com/how-to-exceed-expectations-in-the-customer-experience/ That being said, the exchange of services taking place, does preclude certain general observations regarding customer loyalty and repeat business.
ExpatLover
08-28-18, 19:46
I agree with the above, but isn't the idea to exceed the customer experience and this way induce repeat business? I read this blog that I think has some points: https://tabsurvey.com/how-to-exceed-expectations-in-the-customer-experience/ That being said, the exchange of services taking place, does preclude certain general observations regarding customer loyalty and repeat business.Let us be simple and clear, the implementation of the new law just make it impossible from the management to interfere in the price structure of the girls.
I agree with the above, but isn't the idea to exceed the customer experience and this way induce repeat business? I read this blog that I think has some points: https://tabsurvey.com/how-to-exceed-expectations-in-the-customer-experience/ That being said, the exchange of services taking place, does preclude certain general observations regarding customer loyalty and repeat business.Good blog post, and yes one can extrapolate a few things from that into FKK's also. Many girls get repeat customers by handing out their whatsapp contact etc, or doing more in the room than the bare minimum (suck and fuck). Some even give extra time to guys if they have spent money in the past. Like notice how the blog post mentions he was active at the gym in the past.
It is like that Australian escort who had fucked 12000 guys wrote in her book: most guys are looking for passion. She basically had found out that among her customers, giving them passion was the little extra she could give which rendered her customers into repeat customers. However, not all customers are the same. Some are soft and want passion, some wants to talk, some wants a blowjob and don't mind fucking, while some wants to mainly fuck. Most girls work like robots and are the same with every guy, so they get their niche customer base. Like one girl at Wellcum who I was with a few weeks ago. Very soft kisses, and keeps eye contact. That was her 'extreme', or x-factor. Some soft guys are looking for that. Another girl at a different club was grinding her clit so hard to get an orgasm herself, that the experience seemed far more genuine and two-sided. So that was her x-factor. Another girl at a German club ate tingling drops in her mouth before the BBBJ, adding extra sensation. Her x-factor. One girl talks very dirty during sex. Her x-factor. Another girl starts the session with tit fucking ASAP you get into the room. One girl kisses so much you have a hard time breathing. Etc etc.
From the blog you can also extrapolate that new girls might be jumping into this job before they are ready for all of it. From different types of sex, to the psychological sides of sales. Especially the negative impulses girls in FKK's gets so often when they get turned down. Personally I think that last part differs greatly from club to club and from atmosphere to atmosphere. With both fellow girls, management and clients having different assumptions and expectations.
Hello experienced FFK frequenters,
I'm curious if anyone knows what the line up is like at different clubs. My preferences are:
1. 18-20 ideally.
2. Slavic look (slender).
3. Not a completely awful an attitude.
Are there trends in type of club or clubs known for having more women like this?
Many thanks.
Can anyone recommend a place or FKK where I can find relatively heavier / voluptuous women. Might sound weird but I am kinda into them ex. Karen Fisher. I will be visiting Dusseldorf in 2 weeks, and I would appreciate any help for places around there.
Thank you.
Member #4581
09-01-18, 17:08
Good points, Pistons. Quickly assessing what each individual monger wants and tailoring her demeanor, services, acting, and overall session requires a very high level of skill sets from the girl. Empathy, psychology, understanding, familiarity with different cultures. It's almost like she has to be great at customer service, have a full suite of sexual skills, be able to read body language and minds of various men, and be patient and adjust her room persona and services accordingly.
If a girl can do that and also has the looks that go with it, she will be a massive superstar. I see very few girls like that anywhere.
Good blog post, and yes one can extrapolate a few things from that into FKK's also. Many girls get repeat customers by handing out their whatsapp contact etc, or doing more in the room than the bare minimum (suck and fuck). Some even give extra time to guys if they have spent money in the past. Like notice how the blog post mentions he was active at the gym in the past.
It is like that Australian escort who had fucked 12000 guys wrote in her book: most guys are looking for passion. She basically had found out that among her customers, giving them passion was the little extra she could give which rendered her customers into repeat customers. However, not all customers are the same. Some are soft and want passion, some wants to talk, some wants a blowjob and don't mind fucking, while some wants to mainly fuck. Most girls work like robots and are the same with every guy, so they get their niche customer base. Like one girl at Wellcum who I was with a few weeks ago. Very soft kisses, and keeps eye contact. That was her 'extreme', or x-factor. Some soft guys are looking for that. Another girl at a different club was grinding her clit so hard to get an orgasm herself, that the experience seemed far more genuine and two-sided. So that was her x-factor. Another girl at a German club ate tingling drops in her mouth before the BBBJ, adding extra sensation. Her x-factor. One girl talks very dirty during sex. Her x-factor. Another girl starts the session with tit fucking ASAP you get into the room. One girl kisses so much you have a hard time breathing. Etc etc.
From the blog you can also extrapolate that new girls might be jumping into this job before they are ready for all of it. From different types of sex, to the psychological sides of sales. Especially the negative impulses girls in FKK's gets so often when they get turned down. Personally I think that last part differs greatly from club to club and from atmosphere to atmosphere. With both fellow girls, management and clients having different assumptions and expectations.
Hello experienced FFK frequenters,
I'm curious if anyone knows what the line up is like at different clubs. My preferences are:
1. 18-20 ideally.
2. Slavic look (slender).
3. Not a completely awful an attitude.
Are there trends in type of club or clubs known for having more women like this?
Many thanks.No clubs have girls with awful attitudes. Single girls may not have the best attitude, but there is no generalization.
Several NRW clubs have girls like you mention. And also Oase / Sharks. But it can be random how many 18-20 year olds you will find. They are rare, and maybe more so after the new regulations. If you extend it to 18-25 you have a much better shot though. But avoid clubs like Goldetime Bruggen, Palace, Artemis etc. Oceans (many girls age 19-24 here), Samya (also many 19-24 girls), Aca (has a few 19-24 girls) and Oase (Ina and Estephania is below 20 I think) is where you have the highest chance of finding girls like this.
Hi folks,
It was stated in The Germany Section a while ago that The German Constitutional Court was going to examine the new sex worker law in August.
Is there any word on whether this has taken place yet and the subsequent decision of the court?
Hi folks,
It was stated in The Germany Section a while ago that The German Constitutional Court was going to examine the new sex worker law in August.
Is there any word on whether this has taken place yet and the subsequent decision of the court?Yep, the court has (on August 14) decided that the appeal has nog ground, so the new law is still (valid. The registration part is the main reason many good German / Polish / Russian / . Girls stopped working (officially!) in Germany, so the percentage of ROMBUL girls in German clubs has increased even more!
Neurosynth
09-03-18, 23:24
Yep, the court has (on August 14) decided that the appeal has nog ground, so the new law is still (valid. The registration part is the main reason many good German / Polish / Russian / . Girls stopped working (officially!) in Germany, so the percentage of ROMBUL girls in German clubs has increased even more!Because German / Polish / Russian girls are not in great supply to begin with, I wonder what "many" means here. How many actually quit because of the "new" law? 10%? 50%? 90%?
Yep, the court has (on August 14) decided that the appeal has nog ground, so the new law is still (valid. The registration part is the main reason many good German / Polish / Russian / . Girls stopped working (officially!) in Germany, so the percentage of ROMBUL girls in German clubs has increased even more!Registration is a problem for some German girls, but some also don t want to work for German rate 50 , but some pretty are happy for business at Globe, like busy Johana, or very fresh Skylar, or pretty Finnja, or Lana. Mio also tour at Globe because of registration.
Russians tour in Paris where they get for themselves about 130/ h, but no Russians at Globe where 130€/30 mn.
Kosher Kowboy
09-05-18, 12:49
I am slowly collecting phone numbers of some indies and a few RLD girls so I can contact directly for visits and also find out which door they are at that day or night if they moved. A fellow American living over there has been hitting home runs left and right and is passing on the numbers as he knocks them out one by one. However, I have run in to the same issue he did at first which is them not answering the WhatsApps but the minute he got a German number with a +49 he got immediate replies and appts. Here in the states I use a toss away add as you go TRACPhone to write to prostitutes or my own number if known them a long time. We also have apps here that will allow us to use our smartphones yet have a dummy number set up to text with so the recipient sees a phone number other than our real one although we are using our real phones.
Anyone know if an app can be downloaded on smartphones with a country of your choice as your masked phone number or if not where to buy disposable add as you go German phones with the ability to add on WhatsApp? 10-20 Euro phones with 20 E-30 E rechargeable cards for minutes and texts?
Some of these RLD girls are far from ugly, many former FKK girls and several also advertise on indy sites and have their own apartments as well and will do outcalls to hotel (two blocks) if know you already. The stairs won't be an issue as been getting in great shape and now I have specific addresses to go to not random walk ups to tire me out :D
ExpatLover
09-06-18, 14:26
I am slowly collecting phone numbers of some indies and a few RLD girls so I can contact directly for visits and also find out which door they are at that day or night if they moved. A fellow American living over there has been hitting home runs left and right and is passing on the numbers as he knocks them out one by one. However, I have run in to the same issue he did at first which is them not answering the WhatsApps but the minute he got a German number with a +49 he got immediate replies and appts. Here in the states I use a toss away add as you go TRACPhone to write to prostitutes or my own number if known them a long time. We also have apps here that will allow us to use our smartphones yet have a dummy number set up to text with so the recipient sees a phone number other than our real one although we are using our real phones.
Anyone know if an app can be downloaded on smartphones with a country of your choice as your masked phone number or if not where to buy disposable add as you go German phones with the ability to add on WhatsApp? 10-20 Euro phones with 20 E-30 E rechargeable cards for minutes and texts?
Some of these RLD girls are far from ugly, many former FKK girls and several also advertise on indy sites and have their own apartments as well and will do outcalls to hotel (two blocks) if know you already. The stairs won't be an issue as been getting in great shape and now I have specific addresses to go to not random walk ups to tire me out :DIt is so easy to go in any phone shop in Frankfurt RLD and to buy a German sim card already registered without your own passport and to put it in a old phone just dedicated to contact the girls when you are in Germany, safe, cheap.
Rogue Nation
09-07-18, 18:50
What's the difference within WhatsApp between a 0049 or 001 number? There's no cost to it. Spell your number correctly or let them give your their number and text them. Connection done, and then nobody cares about the number anymore anyway.
KK. I also have wondered about the effect of having a non German number for WhatsApp calls. When I had a German number I used to get a very high response rate, but using a non German number the response rate is lower but the difference does not seem to be substantial. Money is money for the workers wherever it comes from. I guess a few girls don't answer as they are afraid the caller can't speak German. So, for me, it is no problem to use my home country number.
I have found that often I do need to preface the calls with 00 49 to get a valid call. Although weirdly not always
Stairs. I like to sprint to the top. Macho. Lol
ExpatLover
09-08-18, 16:20
KK. I also have wondered about the effect of having a non German number for WhatsApp calls. When I had a German number I used to get a very high response rate, but using a non German number the response rate is lower but the difference does not seem to be substantial. Money is money for the workers wherever it comes from. I guess a few girls don't answer as they are afraid the caller can't speak German. So, for me, it is no problem to use my home country number.
I have found that often I do need to preface the calls with 00 49 to get a valid call. Although weirdly not always
Stairs. I like to sprint to the top. Macho. LolMost of the girls can t also speak German.
OK, I've never ventured outside of the US let alone travel alone within the states. A friend just told me how cheap air tickets are to Germany-500 round trip during the Thanksgiving weekend- and I want to knock FKK clubs off my bucket list. I want to be in Frankfurt and visit a few clubs but I don't have the logistics down. I want to stay 3-4 nights in Frankfurt and travel without a car.
Two main questions:
I pulled up hotels on Goggle maps and there's about 100+ listed. What's a good and safe area to stay in? Preferably an area with easy access to food and transportation. Stay in a hotel or hostel? Is there anyone particular place you like or would recommend?
I'm not familiar with the public transit system. What's a good way to get from hotel to clubs, especially if I want to stay up to the closing hours of the clubs (Sharks and Oase)?
OK, I've never ventured outside of the US let alone travel alone within the states. A friend just told me how cheap air tickets are to Germany-500 round trip during the Thanksgiving weekend- and I want to knock FKK clubs off my bucket list. I want to be in Frankfurt and visit a few clubs but I don't have the logistics down. I want to stay 3-4 nights in Frankfurt and travel without a car.
Two main questions:
I pulled up hotels on Goggle maps and there's about 100+ listed. What's a good and safe area to stay in? Preferably an area with easy access to food and transportation. Stay in a hotel or hostel? Is there anyone particular place you like or would recommend?
I'm not familiar with the public transit system. What's a good way to get from hotel to clubs, especially if I want to stay up to the closing hours of the clubs (Sharks and Oase)?Feels like you are "me about 12 years ago", except that I had already had many domestic and international business trips but not in Germany. Overall Germany is very safe, most places are much much safer than most places in USA, so you should not have any problem unless you venture into places close to shady area in a downtown and / or where too many immigrants live (I am not being negative about immigrants in general, I myself am an immigrant half-Asian, but it's just the fact that those areas in Germany can be sketchier than areas where local Germans live). I would suggest use Expedia (best in IMHO) or some other online site (e. g. Booking.com etc.) to get a bundle deal for Flight, Hotel and Car. Your US Driver's License is just fine to rent a car, but make sure to buy full insurance (I would advise otherwise using insurance provided by most of your credit cards, but this is your first time in driving on Autobahn, so better be extra careful about the liability of the car as well as if you are at fault and hurt someone). I see you want to travel without a car, but having the car will make you so much more easily mobile from FKK to FKK or to restaurants / shopping as you want; Taxis are way too expensive there, buses and trains are time consuming and you have to know some German language to read directions and notices (though good service), and no official Uber or Lyft type service. But please avoid even one drink (or any drug) many hours before you drive, cops in Germany are very strict about both of these besides risking your and others' safety. You should try to stay close to an FKK that you like, so Contel Hotel in Darmstadt could be a good choice, 5 minutes simple and safe walk to Sharks. You can even drink some in Sharks (besides having your fun with the girls), and simply crawl (or 5 e taxi) back to Contel hotel when Sharks closes, and if you are super lucky, maybe one of your girls will come to your hotel free for fun as she liked you so much LOL. The two Maritim Hotels are nice too but not walking distance to Sharks. Generally speaking any hotel in Darmstadt would be safe and ok, but try to find a hotel that has good parking spots; many hotels in Germany has parking spots that are too narrow / small, many US drivers seem to scratch the cars. But if you bought full insurance on the rental car, your will be just fine. Hotel Atlanta in Darmstadt is about 15 minutes simple walk (10 e taxi), but personally I prefer Contel though it is a bit old school. There are few hotels within 10-15 minutes walk to Oase, but I never liked them. Don't forget to receive miles (points) for your spending in hotels, car rental, flights thru your airline Credit Cards as they will add up to give you cheaper / free flights with some Airline status in the future. I ignored the miles / points first 10 years of my travel life, and missed on the benefits a lot. Take cash from ATMs outside the clubs as most clubs charge too much service fees on ATM transactions. German ATMs are much better rates (and no surcharge) than bring US Dollars and converting them at currency sharks (exchanges) at any airports. Before you leave USA, make sure to have enough daily ATM withdrawal limit on your Debit Card(s) and inform your bank(s) that you will be using the ATMs in Germany. Hope this helps, though you may already know many of these tips, but I wrote here just in case. Don't forget the "standard rates" for the girls (look for my previous posts in Sharks thread if you need). Enjoy the Thanksgiving!
Neurosynth
09-22-18, 00:34
... Anyone know if an app can be downloaded on smartphones with a country of your choice as your masked phone number or if not where to buy disposable add as you go German phones with the ability to add on WhatsApp? 10-20 Euro phones with 20 E-30 E rechargeable cards for minutes and texts? ... Not sure if this would help you, but my understanding is that the new iPhones can have 2 SIMs active at the same time. Perhaps you could then use your daily American phone, but also have a temporary German T-Mobil number you can buy over the counter. Not sure about the formats though. (nano-SIM and eSIM).
ExpatLover
09-22-18, 03:42
Not sure if this would help you, but my understanding is that the new iPhones can have 2 SIMs active at the same time. Perhaps you could then use your daily American phone, but also have a temporary German T-Mobil number you can buy over the counter. Not sure about the formats though. (nano-SIM and eSIM).For so many years many phones propose 2 SIM cards. Yes you can buy a sim card from Ortel or Lycamobile already register in the RLD of Frankfurt.
TeaInTheSun
09-23-18, 00:49
OK, I've never ventured outside of the US let alone travel alone within the states. A friend just told me how cheap air tickets are to Germany-500 round trip during the Thanksgiving weekend- and I want to knock FKK clubs off my bucket list. I want to be in Frankfurt and visit a few clubs but I don't have the logistics down. I want to stay 3-4 nights in Frankfurt and travel without a car.
Two main questions:
I pulled up hotels on Goggle maps and there's about 100+ listed. What's a good and safe area to stay in? Preferably an area with easy access to food and transportation. Stay in a hotel or hostel? Is there anyone particular place you like or would recommend?
I'm not familiar with the public transit system. What's a good way to get from hotel to clubs, especially if I want to stay up to the closing hours of the clubs (Sharks and Oase)?If you don't want to spend too much money, EasyHotel is a good option for location, just across main station HBF. In same way, best option for hostels, is Five Elements in RLD. Just 5 minutes walking from same station. You will be available to go everywhere from there. Check several videos on YouTube that explains how to get by train / metro / bus to the saunas made by Asian guy. Enjoy your days there!
I'm not familiar with the public transit system. What's a good way to get from hotel to clubs, especially if I want to stay up to the closing hours of the clubs (Sharks and Oase)?An alternative: Travel light, stay locally at a hotel close to the clubs, and take a max 10 E /5 mnts cab back to the hotel at 5 am. Have a good night's sleep and move on the the next club / local hotel by cheap public transport the next day. Big mistake to stay in central Frankfurt if your plan is to stay at Oase / Sharks till closing time (unless you are fine with an exhausting 50 E cab late at night).
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3443-Travel-information-for-FKKs-and-sauna-clubs&p=2140081&viewfull=1#post2140081
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3443-Travel-information-for-FKKs-and-sauna-clubs&p=2140275&viewfull=1#post2140275
Tippe. www.bahn.de will answer all questions about public transport. There is an English language option. It will tell you a door to door route, with timings, usually prices, and an option to buy cheap tickets in advance for main line routes.
Safety. Germany is a very safe country, even in drug addict areas. But of course take precautions, like making sure you don't look like a scared tourist or victim, carry a spare wallet with a little cash and non working cards to hand over if mugged, hide valuables. Avoid any place with touts outside
Good luck.
ExpatLover
09-23-18, 19:39
Tippe. www.bahn.de will answer all questions about public transport. There is an English language option. It will tell you a door to door route, with timings, usually prices, and an option to buy cheap tickets in advance for main line routes.
Safety. Germany is a very safe country, even in drug addict areas. But of course take precautions, like making sure you don't look like a scared tourist or victim, carry a spare wallet with a little cash and non working cards to hand over if mugged, hide valuables. Avoid any place with touts outside
Good luck.Obviously so much safer than the US which are thinking they are number one in the world but in fact so many safety problems there.
Kosher Kowboy
09-29-18, 19:40
1) Having discussed the recent raid at Oase with a friend, if the police pull a couple out of the room regardless if the session is started or in the middle or wrapping up (as in finished) do they allow the guy to still pay the girl or is it immediate separation? In my case I would certainly pay the girl later (what's fair is fair) but I assume they probably escort the two to allow payment than send them to the areas they are ' holding' them in.
2) I noticed last week at Mainhatten a couple come in and the lovely ex tute up front explaining to her she had to wear a robe and no males were allowed to have contact with her beyond a ' Hello, or short conversation' if the male half of her was present too. Question is (YMMV of course) how do the girls generally charge a couples session if the female just watches and / or participates.
Vito Corleone
09-30-18, 06:33
1) Having discussed the recent raid at Oase with a friend, if the police pull a couple out of the room regardless if the session is started or in the middle or wrapping up (as in finished) do they allow the guy to still pay the girl or is it immediate separation? In my case I would certainly pay the girl later (what's fair is fair) but I assume they probably escort the two to allow payment than send them to the areas they are ' holding' them in.
2) I noticed last week at Mainhatten a couple come in and the lovely ex tute up front explaining to her she had to wear a robe and no males were allowed to have contact with her beyond a ' Hello, or short conversation' if the male half of her was present too. Question is (YMMV of course) how do the girls generally charge a couples session if the female just watches and / or participates.#1.
It depends. I've been through a mini raid where the police officer knocked on the door & I had to stop right in he middle of action. Another when they just let me do my thing & after busting a nice one, the girl showed her papers & that was it.
Another time a police inspector entered, walked right up to the couch where I was sitting with a hot babe I was about to bang. Cock blocked me for 3 hrs! Took her away for whatever reason. He showed me & the girl his badge & mentioned he was going to take her to the police station. I'm like, can't you go to lunch & return after I bang this hot chick?
Other times when large groups like 50 well armed police show up with assault rifles, Kevlar & etc. The men & working girls are separated. You have a choice to leave or hang out in a designated area.
Best police check was when in a very small club, I just hung around with another guy in our towels waiting till the police were done with their individual interviews. They didn't care about us clients, just no access to the rooms where the girls were interviewed.
This was all before the ridiculous new law.
Vito Corleone
09-30-18, 06:36
1) Having discussed the recent raid at Oase with a friend, if the police pull a couple out of the room regardless if the session is started or in the middle or wrapping up (as in finished) do they allow the guy to still pay the girl or is it immediate separation? In my case I would certainly pay the girl later (what's fair is fair) but I assume they probably escort the two to allow payment than send them to the areas they are ' holding' them in.
2) I noticed last week at Mainhatten a couple come in and the lovely ex tute up front explaining to her she had to wear a robe and no males were allowed to have contact with her beyond a ' Hello, or short conversation' if the male half of her was present too. Question is (YMMV of course) how do the girls generally charge a couples session if the female just watches and / or participates.The assault rifle situation there's no chance to pay unless you wait till after the girl is done with interrogation. It could take hours depending how many girls are working. I guess you can just leave the club & there's nothing the girl can do except you might get black listed from the girls during next visit.
Some Sharks girls tour in FRA, for better business.
Sade at Mainhattan since a while.
Real GFE Edina. Ro, Mirela ex Oase, one for my German friend, at Palace. Not anymore so good business at Sharks, and it was Summer with the garden, when last night was 5 degrees in FRA, versus 25 degrees in Ovaro. It close Marina Slovenia yesterday morning.
Kosher Kowboy
09-30-18, 23:16
Some Sharks girls tour in FRA, for better business.
Sade at Mainhattan since a while.
Real GFE Edina. Ro, Mirela ex Oase, one for my German friend, at Palace. Not anymore so good business at Sharks, and it was Summer with the garden, when last night was 5 degrees in FRA, versus 25 degrees in Ovaro. It close Marina Slovenia yesterday morning.Only know the one from Mainhatten been there since May I think. The others may be touring but this one has no plans to return to Sharks and her reason for splitting Sharks was more than just money. That is at least what she says, time is the truth serum. She seems to be raking it in now (she sells some guys down the river too) and sev of her regulars from elsewhere I've met sitting on that back porch. I talked to her several times for quite some time at Sharks prior but never roomed with her as I went with her sidekick Domenica instead but this girl seems ten times happier in her new home, I think she will stick around a while.
Several Sharks in fact I have seen all year long since January, a common trend seems to be girls unhappy with the clientele being cheap (in their words), management they seem upset with, backstabbing girls beyond the normal cutthroat one would expect in this business and two (not Sade / Sasha) even mentioned too many Sharks are behaving like Gypsies and the financial compensation much lower than what I would expect.
If one couples the above with reports here from guys saying they got STDs from blowjobs in Sharks I can't entirely discount the words of some of these girls when backed up with reports here and for each guy here who reported such one would be an idiot not to think more were infected beyond those reporting who are not writers here or even on the board. The flip side of this coin is I am sure Sharks is not the only club with this potentially going on perhaps just the one documented here by guys and ' confirmed' by some stories from some girls.
Except for the fact I think this Sade is a great girl doing well the rest of the above post is simply me repeating something and shouldn't be taken as opinion nor as fact and the word confirmed above is in quotes for that very reason.
ExpatLover
09-30-18, 23:51
Only know the one from Mainhatten been there since May I think. The others may be touring but this one has no plans to return to Sharks and her reason for splitting Sharks was more than just money. That is at least what she says, time is the truth serum. She seems to be raking it in now (she sells some guys down the river too) and sev of her regulars from elsewhere I've met sitting on that back porch. I talked to her several times for quite some time at Sharks prior but never roomed with her as I went with her sidekick Domenica instead but this girl seems ten times happier in her new home, I think she will stick around a while.
Several Sharks in fact I have seen all year long since January, a common trend seems to be girls unhappy with the clientele being cheap (in their words), management they seem upset with, backstabbing girls beyond the normal cutthroat one would expect in this business and two (not Sade / Sasha) even mentioned too many Sharks are behaving like Gypsies and the financial compensation much lower than what I would expect.
If one couples the above with reports here from guys saying they got STDs from blowjobs in Sharks I can't entirely discount the words of some of these girls when backed up with reports here and for each guy here who reported such one would be an idiot not to think more were infected beyond those reporting who are not writers here or even on the board. The flip side of this coin is I am sure Sharks is not the only club with this potentially going on perhaps just the one documented here by guys and ' confirmed' by some stories from some girls.
Except for the fact I think this Sade is a great girl doing well the rest of the above post is simply me repeating something and shouldn't be taken as opinion nor as fact and the word confirmed above is in quotes for that very reason.Like in all the clubs the trend is more and more 50 euro rooms and the girls need to be ready to get fucked hard by guys not eating pork and that 10 or more times per day.
KK. Answering your question. As Vito says, once the Police and associates come you will normally be parted from the girl. And have no chance to pay until the authorities leave, which can easily be 3 to 6 hours. Normally the clients are allowed to leave very quickly, often after the I. D. has been checked. And the club will often give a free entry voucher. So a Police raid could suit a client with no money LOL.
You mention STDs, which is a subject rarely raised. The truth of any occurrence can rarely be verified, any names and so on are rarely useful as the girls concerned will probably have been treated. I and others have been with a girl reported as being infected and the information has been false. Yet the same girl another time picked up a nasty STD and it was never reported (she had the decency to take a few weeks off work). Women very often have no symptoms, so we cannot rely on them to be infection free. A significant minority of men are also symptom free. So if one has any respect for fellow ISG members and the girls we need to get tested regularly: thank you for reminding me.
I also remind myself that there are some customers I have come across over the years who continue to fuck even when they know they have an STD. And even a tiny tiny number of criminals who are HIV+ and get a kick out of barebacking girls.
Only know the one from Mainhatten been there since May I think. The others may be touring but this one has no plans to return to Sharks and her reason for splitting Sharks was more than just money. That is at least what she says, time is the truth serum. She seems to be raking it in now (she sells some guys down the river too) and sev of her regulars from elsewhere I've met sitting on that back porch. I talked to her several times for quite some time at Sharks prior but never roomed with her as I went with her sidekick Domenica instead but this girl seems ten times happier in her new home, I think she will stick around a while.
Several Sharks in fact I have seen all year long since January, a common trend seems to be girls unhappy with the clientele being cheap (in their words), management they seem upset with, backstabbing girls beyond the normal cutthroat one would expect in this business and two (not Sade / Sasha) even mentioned too many Sharks are behaving like Gypsies and the financial compensation much lower than what I would expect.
If one couples the above with reports here from guys saying they got STDs from blowjobs in Sharks I can't entirely discount the words of some of these girls when backed up with reports here and for each guy here who reported such one would be an idiot not to think more were infected beyond those reporting who are not writers here or even on the board..Yes, girls are telling about cheap, everything for only 50 , business at Sharks, even pretty or good level girls.
At Mainhattan, many girls run to fuck Asian tourists.
Palace is the most interesting casting in Hessen for me at the moment, but have to work hard with beauties, but motivating to see model Leana, Julia, Joana, also a angel face seen on messe Friday, also funny Kylie.
You can find these girls all over:
Oceans, YY, LR, - and as others said: Sharks too. GT tends to be older.
I saw some very young ones at the large RLDs, e. G. Duisburg.
Hello experienced FFK frequenters,
I'm curious if anyone knows what the line up is like at different clubs. My preferences are:
1. 18-20 ideally.
2. Slavic look (slender).
3. Not a completely awful an attitude.
Are there trends in type of club or clubs known for having more women like this?
Many thanks.
ExpatLover
10-01-18, 21:36
Yes, girls are telling about cheap, everything for only 50 , business at Sharks, even pretty or good level girls.
At Mainhattan, many girls run to fuck Asian tourists.
Palace is the most interesting casting in Hessen for me at the moment, but have to work hard with beauties, but motivating to see model Leana, Julia, Joana, also a angel face seen on messe Friday, also funny Kylie.Today Shark was full of Asian guys and the girls were hunting them like crazy.
Kosher Kowboy
10-02-18, 00:31
I have started my research in to Vienna (looks very promising and exciting) and this is just one of tons of studios throughout the city, dirt cheap too. These places look great right in the heart of ' the upper end of sleaze' :D and it appears Catholicism is widely practiced, found this place on: https://booksusi.com/service/ohneschutz.
https://studiorelaxe-lounge.at/index.php?p=1_129_Lavinia-Preise-Service
Natural service with reinspritzen. 20 or ' Naturservice mit reinspritzen'.
I see the word ' mit ' in front of it sometime which means 'with' I think but the reins part can't figure out. Some of the girls on this site with google translate says ' Natural Service with spray only' (assume that is pull out or AO Light) but the pre-translated part sometimes reads the same as the ones above that say with rheinspritzen.
Excuse my German, sorry, it sucks I quit after two classes. Is this reinspritzen AO or AO Light? Or neither
Not many 18-20 girls around. Maybe you can find one or two at a few clubs. But most of the clubs discussed here has plenty of girls in their lower 20's. After awhile you start seeing age as less of a concern though. I have met upper 30-year old who were exceptional too. But 40 feels like the upper limit for 99%, and at least for 50% of the girls, their limits are more like 30 give or take two years.
BigBuddy69
10-02-18, 06:08
Reinspritzen means that you come inside.
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I see the word ' mit ' in front of it sometime which means 'with' I think but the reins part can't figure out. Some of the girls on this site with google translate says ' Natural Service with spray only' (assume that is pull out or AO Light) but the pre-translated part sometimes reads the same as the ones above that say with rheinspritzen.
Excuse my German, sorry, it sucks I quit after two classes. Is this reinspritzen AO or AO Light? Or neitherNaturservice mit Reinspritzen = CIP.
In German "herein" means inside, usually implying movement. I think. "Komm herein= come in when someone knocks on a door
"Mit" is confusing. "Ich mache alles mit" does not mean everything with, but simply "I do everything" (the verb here is mitmachen") BUT "mit" as a preposition does mean "with". So mit Milch = with milk
(By the way "reins" is the french for kidneys (I always think of this when I hear reinspritzen))
If I am wrong a native German speaker will advise
ExpatLover
10-02-18, 09:18
I have started my research in to Vienna (looks very promising and exciting) and this is just one of tons of studios throughout the city, dirt cheap too. These places look great right in the heart of ' the upper end of sleaze' :D and it appears Catholicism is widely practiced, found this place on: https://booksusi.com/service/ohneschutz.
https://studiorelaxe-lounge.at/index.php?p=1_129_Lavinia-Preise-Service
Natural service with reinspritzen. 20 or ' Naturservice mit reinspritzen'.
I see the word ' mit ' in front of it sometime which means 'with' I think but the reins part can't figure out. Some of the girls on this site with google translate says ' Natural Service with spray only' (assume that is pull out or AO Light) but the pre-translated part sometimes reads the same as the ones above that say with rheinspritzen.
Excuse my German, sorry, it sucks I quit after two classes. Is this reinspritzen AO or AO Light? Or neitherIt just means without condom and you can come inside, as simple as that.
Alles ist gut -.
Naturservice mit Reinspritzen = CIP.
In German "herein" means inside, usually implying movement. I think. "Komm herein= come in when someone knocks on a door
"Mit" is confusing. "Ich mache alles mit" does not mean everything with, but simply "I do everything" (the verb here is mitmachen") BUT "mit" as a preposition does mean "with". So mit Milch = with milk
(By the way "reins" is the french for kidneys (I always think of this when I hear reinspritzen))
If I am wrong a native German speaker will advise
The older the "girl" - the more likely the rip-off. Esp if the "girl" is german. I try to avoid german oldies as much as the devil tries to avoid the holy water (german proverb).
Not many 18-20 girls around. Maybe you can find one or two at a few clubs. But most of the clubs discussed here has plenty of girls in their lower 20's. After awhile you start seeing age as less of a concern though. I have met upper 30-year old who were exceptional too. But 40 feels like the upper limit for 99%, and at least for 50% of the girls, their limits are more like 30 give or take two years.
Kosher Kowboy
10-02-18, 13:11
Naturservice mit Reinspritzen = CIP.
:D
Than this one might fit the bill perfectly simply because someone I know did her, prob is on this site seems they list if they are Catholic or not but not if Reinspritzen is a yay or a nay. I guess just need to ask them when you walk in or WhatsApp these numbers that probably go to a studio or pimp.
https://booksusi.com/hostessen/wien/karina-fur-fragen-um-ihre-serv.html
I am also noticing on these profiles girls just like this one who may or may not speak English but seem to speak German and one of more romance languages which to me is potentially a cover up for a Romanian which is not a bad thing but it looks like ' Romanian in disguise' advertising is well alive in Austria as it is in Germany and I remember some girls in Madrid who were Romanian being passed off as Russians.
The older the "girl" - the more likely the rip-off. Esp if the "girl" is german. I try to avoid german oldies as much as the devil tries to avoid the holy water (german proverb).True, older Germans are not the best. But I only ever went with one over the age of 30 anyway as many Germans don't age that well past that age. She used to be at Artemis, but I think I saw her at GT last time. She was fine though.
But Bul / Rom etc at age 30-35 ain't the worst upsellers. A few might try once to upsell you, but simple bargaining techniques will remove that easily. The young new lot you see in some clubs now are more strict with their upselling.
I've spent several hours browsing these pages as they are by far the best resource I've found, thanks you to the contributors.
40 yo White American Guy (TN) heading to EUR for the first time at the end of October. Have 2 nights in Frankfurt (arriving Sat AM, Departing Mon AM for Work meetings. I'm looking to dabble in Mongering while I'm there. I'm considering FKK and RLD and understand the basics on both. I'll likely allocate afternoon and / or evening to this and let's throw out a budget of 300-400€ all in.
I'm staying downtown just north of the Main, and am unfamiliar without the rail system so I'm looking to stay relatively "close to home". I understand Mainhattan is the closest FKK ( 20€ cab). I've read about their upselling to push $100/30 min for basics and am under the impression I should push back for $50/30 min or $100/60 min (if I like after test drive). I also understand RLD to be 30-50€/20 m with a need to clearly outline what I'm getting. Also the stairs can be much more hit or miss and more rushed than FKKs, generally. Feel free to correct any bad assumptions here, please.
Now a few questions:
1) Assuming I'm wanting to stay fairly close with minimal transfers, is Mainhattan my only / best FKK option?
2) Would Saturday or Sunday afternoon / early evening be better LU wise? What about evenings?
3) I saw premium liquor costing more, but is "endless" basic beer or cocktails included?
4) Are showers mandatory upon arrival (if I've showered before coming?
5) Process wise, I know I'm issued a clothing locker and wallet locker. Am I allowed to keep my phone on me (for reading, I assume photos are a No No)?
6) When I select a girl, I read that I go to the locker to get my Euro. Some suggest paying in the room (esp if negotiating BBBJ for $50). Will the girl be okay with my suggesting room payment?
7) China Japan in BLD intrigues me. What is the pricing there? I've not seen that posted? What is the protocol there outside of mamasan presenting a lineup and my picking someone?
This is a good start for now. I very much appreciate any feedback. If there is a better forum for this post please advise.
Cheers.
:D
Than this one might fit the bill perfectly simply because someone I know did her, prob is on this site seems they list if they are Catholic or not but not if Reinspritzen is a yay or a nay. I guess just need to ask them when you walk in or WhatsApp these numbers that probably go to a studio or pimp.
https://booksusi.com/hostessen/wien/karina-fur-fragen-um-ihre-serv.html
I am also noticing on these profiles girls just like this one who may or may not speak English but seem to speak German and one of more romance languages which to me is potentially a cover up for a Romanian which is not a bad thing but it looks like ' Romanian in disguise' advertising is well alive in Austria as it is in Germany and I remember some girls in Madrid who were Romanian being passed off as Russians.Good luck KK. You might find few new queens there.
FYI another similar good site (you probably already know it) is https://www.hostessen.com/sedcards/search?vorlieben=sexohnekondom.
Kosher Kowboy
10-02-18, 18:19
Good luck KK. You might find few new queens there.
FYI another similar good site (you probably already know it) is https://www.hostessen.com/sedcards/search?vorlieben=sexohnekondom.Thanks for that link, even better. I see more studios and addresses now and I see skanks and hotties and sticks and fatties and ladies from 18-55 that rheinspritzen and everything in between. Can easily go house to house. This link helped a lot thanks for sharing as I did not have it and it is much easier to find the studios on this site and filter the searches too. The inside red and purple and blue light ambiance is something I have always liked and seem to perform better in brothels lit like that, must be something mental. No surprise outside of the dimly lit red light cabins at Day Care is that my favorite room in Germany so far is the Red Room at Sharks, no room comes close for me in comparison.
I've spent several hours browsing these pages as they are by far the best resource I've found, thanks you to the contributors.
40 yo White American Guy (TN) heading to EUR for the first time at the end of October. Have 2 nights in Frankfurt (arriving Sat AM, Departing Mon AM for Work meetings. I'm looking to dabble in Mongering while I'm there. I'm considering FKK and RLD and understand the basics on both. I'll likely allocate afternoon and / or evening to this and let's throw out a budget of 300-400 all in.
I'm staying downtown just north of the Main, and am unfamiliar without the rail system so I'm looking to stay relatively "close to home". I understand Mainhattan is the closest FKK ( 20 cab). I've read about their upselling to push $100/30 min for basics and am under the impression I should push back for $50/30 min or $100/60 min (if I like after test drive). I also understand RLD to be 30-50/20 m with a need to clearly outline what I'm getting. Also the stairs can be much more hit or miss and more rushed than FKKs, generally. Feel free to correct any bad assumptions here, please.
Now a few questions:.1. Yes Mainhattan is your best choice among the FKKs in case you don't want to travel far.
2. Saturday evening should be the best time.
3. No alcoholic drinks are included in the entry fee to the FKKs.
4. No you don't have to shower if you don't want to.
5. No, you should leave your phone in the locker room. If you need to use it, use it in the locker room.
6. You pay the girls after the session. Shouldn't be a problem paying her in the room.
1. Yes Mainhattan is your best choice among the FKKs in case you don't want to travel far.
2. Saturday evening should be the best time.
3. No alcoholic drinks are included in the entry fee to the FKKs.
4. No you don't have to shower if you don't want to.
5. No, you should leave your phone in the locker room. If you need to use it, use it in the locker room.
6. You pay the girls after the session. Shouldn't be a problem paying her in the room.Great quick answers, Thanks!
Lack of phone while lounging / watching sports, and lack of beer included takes a bit of shine out of the lounging component for me. Damn.
What is the € price for a beer, generally? Strip clubs in the US charge roughly double what normal bars do. Curious about Mainhattan.
Thank you again for the answers! Still curious about pricing for China brothel in RLD as well if anyone knows.
I've spent several hours browsing these pages as they are by far the best resource I've found, thanks you to the contributors.
40 yo White American Guy (TN) heading to EUR for the first time at the end of October. Have 2 nights in Frankfurt (arriving Sat AM, Departing Mon AM for Work meetings. I'm looking to dabble in Mongering while I'm there. I'm considering FKK and RLD and understand the basics on both. I'll likely allocate afternoon and / or evening to this and let's throw out a budget of 300-400 all in.
I'm staying downtown just north of the Main, and am unfamiliar without the rail system so I'm looking to stay relatively "close to home". I understand Mainhattan is the closest FKK ( 20 cab). I've read about their upselling to push $100/30 min for basics and am under the impression I should push back for $50/30 min or $100/60 min (if I like after test drive). I also understand RLD to be 30-50/20 m with a need to clearly outline what I'm getting. Also the stairs can be much more hit or miss and more rushed than FKKs, generally. Feel free to correct any bad assumptions here, please.
Now a few questions:1) Assuming I'm wanting to stay fairly close with minimal transfers, is Mainhattan my only / best FKK option?
No no no! Skip Mainhattan and RLD. Best girls and FKK experience are to be had at Sharks and Oase, trusting me please. Distance is not issue thanks to Regionalbahn and S-Bahn trains from Frankfurt Hbf to reach Sharks or Oase. Find schedules at website rmv. De and plan ahead since sometimes construction etc. There are always taxi waiting at station for short ride to FKK since the FKK pay the drivers "spiff" for bring customer like you.
2) Would Saturday or Sunday afternoon / early evening be better LU wise? What about evenings?
LU tend to best on Thurs, Fri, Sat, Sun or during Messe. Many girls' prefer not work Mon / Tues and instead taking those days off.
When you visit FKK, typical plan on staying from 1400 h to past midnight.
Go Sharks Saturday early afternoon. Best combo of great girl, decent food, good alcohol in my opinion October 2018. Take cheap direct RB train from Frankfurt Hbf to Darmstadt Nord, then quick walk to Sharks via Google map. Enjoy the beauty, amenities, drink and relatively decent lunch and dinner and late night super at Shark. Stay as long as you liking since trains run late Saturday. When time to finally go home, yellow taxi 10 euro to Darmstadt Hbf (NOT Nord), then take the next RB or S-Bahn from Darmstadt Hbf back to Frankfurt Hbf.
Go Oase Sunday early afternoon. 50 euro entry before 1600 h I believe. Easy S5 train from Frankfurt Hbf to Friedrichsdorf under 5 euro, then 10 euro taxi to Oase. Enjoy the beauty, amenity, drink at Oase. Food not so good as Shark or Palace, but girl selection is worth trip. Custom Oase pizza is also nice. Also, Oase has better climate control than Shark (critical in hot summer, less so in autumn). I notice Oase had shit ton of flies this week, disgusting and cafeteria all over the uncovered foods, in locker room. They need to pest control but maybe it hard since they are basically in farmland. This is why I said Sharks first.
Now, if short on time and cannot visit Oase or Shark, Palace is actually very close and decent. Anytime, there is quick 15 minute you-Bahn ride from Frankfurt Hbf for under 3 euro, then 1 minute walk to Palace. It much smaller place compare to Oase or Shark, but girls are actually quite pretty and nice at Palace despite smaller roster. My opinion is food at Palace is much better and much much cleaner (no flies) than Oase, Shark, Mainhattan. Take you-Bahn back for under 3 euro, or easy 20 euro taxi back to Frankfurt Central.
Just remember, all FKK above is 50 euro for 30 minute. Only bring cash, don't use your credit. Ask front desk for price of extra or weird services. Only pay girl at your small locker by front bar after session. Don't sucker for upsell girl. Wishing luck to you American.
ExpatLover
10-03-18, 05:29
I've spent several hours browsing these pages as they are by far the best resource I've found, thanks you to the contributors.
40 yo White American Guy (TN) heading to EUR for the first time at the end of October. Have 2 nights in Frankfurt (arriving Sat AM, Departing Mon AM for Work meetings. I'm looking to dabble in Mongering while I'm there. I'm considering FKK and RLD and understand the basics on both. I'll likely allocate afternoon and / or evening to this and let's throw out a budget of 300-400 all in.
I'm staying downtown just north of the Main, and am unfamiliar without the rail system so I'm looking to stay relatively "close to home". I understand Mainhattan is the closest FKK ( 20 cab). I've read about their upselling to push $100/30 min for basics and am under the impression I should push back for $50/30 min or $100/60 min (if I like after test drive). I also understand RLD to be 30-50/20 m with a need to clearly outline what I'm getting. Also the stairs can be much more hit or miss and more rushed than FKKs, generally. Feel free to correct any bad assumptions here, please..One reco better you stop thinking so much, take it easy. Take the tram number 11 to Manhattan, don t go to the RLD it is just very cheap sex mostly migrants there. What a strange idea not willing to shower, better you go to sauna, after you shower, to make you fresh, you will be more relax and than you can try to find your girl, wait at least 2 hours in the club before going to the room to better understand how it works.
Kosher Kowboy
10-03-18, 09:16
at the end of October. Have 2 nights in Frankfurt (arriving Sat AM, Departing Mon AM for Work meetings. I'm looking to dabble in Mongering while I'm there. I'm considering FKK and RLD and understand the basics on both. I'll likely allocate afternoon and / or evening to this and let's throw out a budget of 300-400 all in.
I understand Mainhattan is the closest FKK ( 20 cab). I've read about their upselling to push $100/30 min for basics and am under the impression I should push back for $50/30 min or $100/60 min (if I like after test drive). I also understand RLD to be 30-50/20 m with a need to clearly outline what I'm getting. Also the stairs can be much more hit or miss and more rushed than FKKs, generally. Feel free to correct any bad assumptions here, please.
Now a few questions:
1) Assuming I'm wanting to stay fairly close with minimal transfers, is Mainhattan my only / best FKK option?
2) Would Saturday or Sunday afternoon / early evening be better LU wise? What about evenings?
3) I saw premium liquor costing more, but is "endless" basic beer or cocktails included?
4) Are showers mandatory upon arrival (if I've showered before coming?
5) Process wise, I know I'm issued a clothing locker and wallet locker. Am I allowed to keep my phone on me (for reading, I assume photos are a No No)?
6) When I select a girl, I read that I go to the locker to get my Euro. Some suggest paying in the room (esp if negotiating BBBJ for $50). Will the girl be okay with my suggesting room payment?
7) China Japan in BLD intrigues me. What is the pricing there? I've not seen that posted? What is the protocol there outside of mamasan presenting a lineup and my picking someone?
This is a good start for now. I very much appreciate any feedback. If there is a better forum for this post please advise.
Cheers.China-Japan place know nothing of. I suggest paying at your locker, I was one who stashed money quite some time ago to work deals in the rooms out of the public eye but now I just pay my 'fixed rate' for my services when I go to the rooms to try the vaginas of Mainhatten. Can leave your valuables in the locker or the pay boxes by the desk. At mainhatten I stick (3) 100's in my pay box and all my other shit in the locker. That is my 3 sessions. It was suggested by a local to leave all valuables in the pay boxes as if someone really wanted to go locker to locker with their keys they would work eventually on one not theirs so in his opinion he leaves all of value up front. I never had an issue either way. Pay the girl post room. Booze can't help you with, I drink still water and 7-ups. Showers not mandatory but certainly helpful. I shower upon arrival, after each session and sometimes before and always before I leave the club.
Based on the fact you only have two days and your times, this is my suggestion which is to bail the RLD not that it isn't worth it but to maximize what IMO you will enjoy best within your budget that also matches up with your flights.
Day one land early as you are and go for early check in or put you bag in a day locker at the FRA station. Catch the RB68 not the long commute SBahn to Darmstadt and get to Sharks at 11 or 12. It is a 19 minute express train from FRA to DAR with one stop in between for 8. 5 Euros. Ask the cabbie for a 10 Euro fixed rate to Sharks if he won't will be 12. Returning from Sharks they will just about always fix price it at 10. The RB68 Express leaves Darmstadt on the:30 of every hour but after 00:30 or so the trains switch but usually an express can be found. Enjoy Sharks for the day. It is Saturday. There will be plenty of women for you and vaginas to try out. Plenty of food. Head home and sleep.
Day two get on the Tram 11 (2. 75) no later than 12:15 PM but not before 10:30 AM to time your arrival at Mainhatten to get the early 20 e discount off the full 65 e price offered between 11-1. If you cab it is 20 e-22 e but washes out the discount. There will be few girls upon arrival but it is Mainhatten, anything can happen can be full by 2 or dead. Expect a slow day but a relaxing one. Night and day from Sharks. The LU are much different, pricing structures differ, food services tad different tons of differences but give both a shot. If you want sub out Oase for Sharks but I recommend Sharks and that express train and I personally am not a fan of Oase and really hate the layout. Other guys feel differently. Sharks is much easier w the train being an express to get to and from. I will be at one of them next trip unless we switch to Palace or elsewhere as I am meeting a group of 5-7 guys and we haven't made a choice yet.
Both of the club visits can be followed by a RLD visit or on day two you can always go to the RLD in the early AM prior to Mainhatten plenty of girls working. I need to do that myself as my RLD List of rooms to attend Catholic mass in are day girls only.
Since you have an early flight out Monday, Mainhatten is great for Day two as you can cab it back to the hotel for 22 Euros or so, eat in the AM and head to the airport of if adventurous hit the RLD at 6-7 AM and you will be surprised how much pussy potentially could be out for one final round. many vaginas to try out in the early morning hours.
Enjoy two well known clubs and back to TN. You can also bail Mainhatten and do Oase or Sharks but I suggest you do Mainhatten and Sharks and give yourself a taste of small city club and a mega brothel as well.
Pricing will be different, if you want your dick sucked bare and it is a must it will cost more at Mainhatten. However, your budget affords you whatever you desire. Plenty of info in both threads to pretty much answer any more questions you may have.
And please, take a shower!! :D
Feel free to PM me with any specifics if you have any
Just a quick note: If you are discussing fast or "Express" trains from Frankfurt Hbf to Sharks:
The very fastest (and easiest plus least expensive) journey TO Sharks is via (no pun intended) the VIA train from Frankfurt Hbf to Darmstadt Nord station, which is only 10 minute easy walk from Sharks. This train leaves from Gleis 12 (normally) at .25 minutes every other hour (on odd hours, I beleive). It takes 18 minutes to Darmstadt Nord, which is the first stop. It is therefore faster and cheaper (no taxi needed) than the RB train that stops first in Langen and then Darmstadt Hbf, from where you either: pay 10 e taxi; or take the "R" Bus; or walk (assuming you have no bicycle or donkey.).
BTW: the existence of this Gleis 12 option was first discovered and published on this forum a few years ago by the illustrious (though slightly narcoleptic) poster: Syzigies.
Kosher Kowboy
10-03-18, 10:02
Just a quick note: If you are discussing fast or "Express" trains from Frankfurt Hbf to Sharks:
The very fastest (and easiest plus least expensive) journey TO Sharks is via (no pun intended) the VIA train from Frankfurt Hbf to Darmstadt Nord station, which is only 10 minute easy walk from Sharks. This train leaves from Gleis 12 (normally) at .25 minutes every other hour (on odd hours, I beleive). It takes 18 minutes to Darmstadt Nord, which is the first stop. It is therefore faster and cheaper (no taxi needed) than the RB train that stops first in Langen and then Darmstadt Hbf, from where you either: pay 10 e taxi; or take the "R" Bus; or walk (assuming you have no bicycle or donkey.).
BTW: the existence of this Gleis 12 option was first discovered and published on this forum a few years ago by the illustrious (though slightly narcoleptic) poster: Syzigies.Good advise, for me I passed on the above option as the time difference is splitting hairs but it comes down to a 10 e taxi vs a 10 min walk. Weather aside if raining I happen to be lazy and would rather take a 10 e taxi door to door. :D I also do not know the safety of the route (for all I know it is a beautiful trail in a fancy tree lined park) and usually carry a large amount of cash on me. You mentioned it was the best way TO Sharks is the above option not available on the return? I could do that walk on the return maybe as my cash will have been depleted from trying vaginas all day than again if I see Mandy and/or Luci it would have been revisiting vaginas I have have already tried both and highly recommend.
Is this the route (The Syzigies one) also the way to start the journey to FKK ROM? A bus takes you from here to ROM? Or taxi?
TankTank123
10-03-18, 12:03
I also do not know the safety of the route (for all I know it is a beautiful trail in a fancy tree lined park) and usually carry a large amount of cash on me. You mentioned it was the best way TO Sharks is the above option not available on the return? I could do that walk on the return maybe as my cash will have been depleted from trying vaginas all day than again if I see Mandy and/or Luci it would have been revisiting vaginas I have have already tried both and highly recommend. It is also available for the return journey, but on the even (rather than the odd) hours. The walk is along paved sidewalks beside major roads and Otto Rohm Strasse. No beautiful trail or park; but you can cut through a car park to shave off about 30 seconds.
If you think you can shave more time off by going through a small path beside some factories, then too bad, more time will be wasted as you will run into fencing beside the railway track. (Trust me, I have made this stupid attempt before!) To shave off 20 seconds in crossing and recrossing Carl Schenk Ring, you can walk on a dirt track (muddy when wet!) on the north side of that road instead of the proper sidewalk on the south side.
Route is safe during the day. The Darmstadt North stop (I would not call it a station) is dark and deserted late at night; and once I waited terrified for the train as there were drunken Gothic shaven-head punks there.
Kosher Kowboy
10-03-18, 13:35
It is also available for the return journey, but on the even (rather than the odd) hours. The walk is along paved sidewalks beside major roads and Otto Rohm Strasse. No beautiful trail or park; but you can cut through a car park to shave off about 30 seconds.
If you think you can shave more time off by going through a small path beside some factories, then too bad, more time will be wasted as you will run into fencing beside the railway track. (Trust me, I have made this stupid attempt before!) To shave off 20 seconds in crossing and recrossing Carl Schenk Ring, you can walk on a dirt track (muddy when wet!) on the north side of that road instead of the proper sidewalk on the south side.
Route is safe during the day. The Darmstadt North stop (I would not call it a station) is dark and deserted late at night; and once I waited terrified for the train as there were drunken Gothic shaven-head punks there.Thanks TT, no excuses now for those looking for quick trains to get to Sharks or getting stuck in short cuts, they have been warned
Can you now please go ID the girl at Mainhatten who came from World as part of your voluntary duties to the ISG and being of great help privately and at times simply your dedication to public service :D
There is another girl there I am curious about and after getting back I tracked her down on some site to World. She is taller, wears glasses, huge tits, heavy on the red / pink lipstick, and has blond hair and specifically the ends are curled probably the bottom 6" to be exact. Very pretty and flirtatious, perhaps TankTank would know best.
You might be able to ID her without a picture in this case if I described her well enough
TankTank123
10-03-18, 14:11
Can you now please go ID the girl at Mainhatten who came from World. She is taller, wears glasses, huge tits, heavy on the red / pink lipstick, and has blond hair and specifically the ends are curled probably the bottom 6" to be exact. Very pretty and flirtatious, perhaps TankTank would know best.None that I know of fits as very few girls at World wear spectacles. 2 possibilities:
1 Christina. But no glasses and not that tall. Left World for Mainhatten early this year. Tits large but not huge. Blonde curly hair and red lipsticks. Pretty and flirtatious.
2 Eva. Wears glasses. Very very tall and slim. Huge silicone tits. Blonde hair but it was straight. Very pretty, but shy and reserved, not flirtatious. She was still at World in August.
Other girls with glasses are short.
There is also a huge whale with very thick lips (like a monkey), normally pink or bright red, curls at end of blonde hair, but no glasses. Certainly flirtatious, goes after me now and then, so I run away from her and never asked her name. Last seen in July, missing in August.
Kosher Kowboy
10-03-18, 14:15
None that I know of fits as very few girls at World wear spectacles. 2 possibilities:
1 Christina. But no glasses and not that tall. Left World for Mainhatten early this year. Tits large but not huge. Blonde curly hair and red lipsticks. Pretty and flirtatious.
2 Eva. Wears glasses. Very very tall and slim. Huge silicone tits. Blonde hair but it was straight. Very pretty, but shy and reserved, not flirtatious. She was still at World in August.
Other girls with glasses are short.
There is also a huge whale with very thick lips (like a monkey), normally pink or bright red, curls at end of blonde hair, but no glasses. Certainly flirtatious, goes after me now and then, so I run away from her and never asked her name. Last seen in July, missing in August.Would match Eva the closest. Let me try to find her info now again, too many notes to dig thru will try.
Except this girl was far from shy especially since she approached a few times asking for her vagina to be tried.
TankTank123
10-03-18, 14:49
Would match Eva the closest. Let me try to find her info now again, too many notes to dig thru will try. Except this girl was far from shy especially since she approached a few times asking for her vagina to be tried.Eva told me she is 1.8 m, tallest girl in World.
Have you identified Amber yet (Ella in World)? If you have, was she still at Mainhatten when you were last there? I would venture again to Mainhatten just for her. Thanks.
I also do not know the safety of the route (for all I know it is a beautiful trail in a fancy tree lined park) and usually carry a large amount of cash on me. You mentioned it was the best way TO Sharks is the above option not available on the return? Safety? Are you joking? In my experience: Perfectly safe. Quantum leaps of safety above that of walking around, for example, the RLD of Frankfurt, or almost anywhere in an urban environment. This route is used by lots of people going by foot from Darmstadt Nord to the big Fitness Centre, which you pass a hundred+ metres before you reach Sharks.
The last train back to Frankfurt from Darmstardt Nord is 22.12. So it's good for round trips if you are leaving the club by say 21.50. After that, you have to revert to public transport options from Darmstadt Hbf until 00.30 ish.
Don't know much about Rom, so can't help you there.
Kosher Kowboy
10-03-18, 14:56
Safety? Are you joking? In my experience: Perfectly safe.
The last train back to Frankfurt from Darmstardt Nord is 22.12. So it's good for round trips if you are leaving the club by say 21.50. After that, you have to revert to public transport options from Darmstadt Hbf until 00.30 ish.
Sounds safe, I trust your experience, I had just never seen or walked the route so was clueless. It is a 20-25 Euros savings round trip to go this way you have presented and I tend to be an early riser so get to clubs at opening times usually so often I am out the doors by the time 21.50 rolls around if not can just go main station, still saves 10-12 Euros.
Kosher Kowboy
10-03-18, 15:08
Eva told me she is 1.8 m, tallest girl in World.
Have you identified Amber yet (Ella in World)? If you have, was she still at Mainhatten when you were last there? I would venture again to Mainhatten just for her. Thanks.Looking at her pic there is on her left hand just under her wrist on the bottom side of the wrist is a tattoo. On her right shoulder is another tattoo. Both are mainly green in color. Her hair in the pic I see is blond, has brown roots can see and in the pic unlike when I saw her in Mainhatten her hair is clearly straight with a natural wave in it (as opposed to using a hair item to curl or wave it).
I've spent several hours browsing these pages as they are by far the best resource I've found, thanks you to the contributors.
40 yo White American Guy (TN) heading to EUR for the first time at the end of October. Have 2 nights in Frankfurt (arriving Sat AM, Departing Mon AM for Work meetings. I'm looking to dabble in Mongering while I'm there. I'm considering FKK and RLD and understand the basics on both. I'll likely allocate afternoon and / or evening to this and let's throw out a budget of 300-400 all in.
I'm staying downtown just north of the Main, and am unfamiliar without the rail system so I'm looking to stay relatively "close to home". I understand Mainhattan is the closest FKK ( 20 cab). I've read about their upselling to push $100/30 min for basics and am under the impression I should push back for $50/30 min or $100/60 min (if I like after test drive). I also understand RLD to be 30-50/20 m with a need to clearly outline what I'm getting. Also the stairs can be much more hit or miss and more rushed than FKKs, generally. Feel free to correct any bad assumptions here, please.
Now a few questions:
1) Assuming I'm wanting to stay fairly close with minimal transfers, is Mainhattan my only / best FKK option?
2) Would Saturday or Sunday afternoon / early evening be better LU wise? What about evenings?
3) I saw premium liquor costing more, but is "endless" basic beer or cocktails included?
4) Are showers mandatory upon arrival (if I've showered before coming?
5) Process wise, I know I'm issued a clothing locker and wallet locker. Am I allowed to keep my phone on me (for reading, I assume photos are a No No)?
6) When I select a girl, I read that I go to the locker to get my Euro. Some suggest paying in the room (esp if negotiating BBBJ for $50). Will the girl be okay with my suggesting room payment?
7) China Japan in BLD intrigues me. What is the pricing there? I've not seen that posted? What is the protocol there outside of mamasan presenting a lineup and my picking someone?
This is a good start for now. I very much appreciate any feedback. If there is a better forum for this post please advise.
Cheers.Let me first of all suggest you check my username for reports, or the reports of distinction for my precise directions and info on all of the major clubs in Frankfurt, this should clear up 80% of your questions.
Neverthless.
1) Assuming I'm wanting to stay fairly close with minimal transfers, is Mainhattan my only / best FKK option?
Definitely not your best I would think. A trip to Sharks is a must at least imo. Palace and Mainhattan are the closest to the city centre relatively, but they are from the best options, perhaps the worst.
2) Would Saturday or Sunday afternoon / early evening be better LU wise? What about evenings?
I've noticed that Friday and Saturday nights the LUs are at their best, but there also many more customers, leaving you open to upselling potentially. Sunday nights have been recommended for Sharks.
But honestly even during the week you'll find something. Just go whenever.
3) I saw premium liquor costing more, but is "endless" basic beer or cocktails included?
Beer is included in FKK Mainhattan and in FKK World in Giessen. Cocktails are offered on special days in most of the clubs.
4) Are showers mandatory upon arrival (if I've showered before coming?
Not much of an issue. No, they're not but still I suggest using them.
5) Process wise, I know I'm issued a clothing locker and wallet locker. Am I allowed to keep my phone on me (for reading, I assume photos are a No No)?
No phones are not allowed, except in Oase which also has wifi.
6) When I select a girl, I read that I go to the locker to get my Euro. Some suggest paying in the room (esp if negotiating BBBJ for $50). Will the girl be okay with my suggesting room payment?
All the girls expect the walk of shame to the locker afterwards. I personally prefer to have it on me to just finish off and get a drink after.
7) China Japan in BLD intrigues me. What is the pricing there? I've not seen that posted? What is the protocol there outside of mamasan presenting a lineup and my picking someone?
Expensive. It's near Bockenheim and its 80 for 30 minutes. Not competitive, not a good deal imo.
Thank you to Lanthano & Kosher Kowboy for the very thorough answers. With that info I'll do a bit more digging on these excellent forums.
Sharks was a no go due to distance and lack of familiarity with the train system, however it sounds somewhat simple. I might well consider it. Despite the suggestion I might plan a Sat afternoon / Evening visit to Mainhattan to "get my feet wet" in the new environment. Then if comfortable perhaps take the express train down to Sharks on Sunday afternoon or evening.
For the record, I am not averse you showers. I just take one right before going out. So showering again 30 minutes later seems redundant. However I completely understand showering between sesssions and before leaving. That seems like a necessity I just didn't know if it was a requirement before hitting the floor.
Very glad to hear beer is included with entry. I enjoy my beer and that would be a big part of my relaxation. I think I read that early entry discount at Mainhattan does not include beer.
Again, I greatly appreciate the candid advice and welcome. You guys have a great community here. Cheers.
ExpatLover
10-03-18, 19:15
Eva told me she is 1.8 m, tallest girl in World.
Have you identified Amber yet (Ella in World)? If you have, was she still at Mainhatten when you were last there? I would venture again to Mainhatten just for her. Thanks.Sorry but what is the interest to know who is the tallest or the most stupid?
Kosher Kowboy
10-03-18, 22:33
Despite the suggestion I might plan a Sat afternoon / Evening visit to Mainhattan to "get my feet wet" in the new environment. Then if comfortable perhaps take the express train down to Sharks on Sunday afternoon or evening.
For the record, I am not averse you showers. I just take one right before going out. So showering again 30 minutes later seems redundant. However I completely understand showering between sesssions and before leaving. That seems like a necessity I just didn't know if it was a requirement before hitting the floor.
I think I read that early entry discount at Mainhattan does not include beer.
Have to start somewhere, try it out see what you think. Still consider Sharks as both of us suggested, in a way it is just as easy as Mainhatten to get to.
As long as you are clean I am sure the ladies won't deny you if they didn't notice you showered but always good to shower anyway. ' Curb appeal' is noticed. At minimum make sure you vash between sessions, the girls do notice that!
I was on the couch with a Gypsy last visit and she said something to some not so fresh looking guy. He than replied and she said something in Romanian to the other girls. She than told the guy something in German.
She than translated to me and told me she told him to shower, that he replied he showered at home but she had a little pow wow with the other girls and told the guy none of the girls would go to the room with him if he didn't shower.
Ten minutes later he came out of the shower.
TankTank123
10-04-18, 03:23
As long as you are clean I am sure the ladies won't deny you if they didn't notice you showered but always good to shower anyway.I know of one very sweet girl who told me that she obliges having sessions with some of her regulars who not only do not bath, but are smelly from stale sweat. And after the session, they only wash their tool. She said that these are those who drop in for a very short while just to have a session with her before going home, and wanted to make sure that they still stink when their wives greet them at home, so as not to raise suspicions!
Anyone know of any good Halloween parties on Wednesday Oct 31st?
Felipa ex GT, ex Bab, is now at YY NL. Also ex Manuela Samya. Gloria. Hu still at YY with some other ex LR girls like Ariana.
Ex Valeria Samya now at GT. Also ex Katarina LR and ex Palace. Finnja is back. Some LR girls at GT: Luana, Lisa, tattooed Sara, Melika, Celin, Sonja, Morena.
Mirela ex Sharks, ex Oase, now at Palace. Also Edina ex Sharks.
Some Sharks and Oase girls at Mainhattan, like ex Sade, ex NRW.
Antonella ex LR, now at Samya, after YY.
ManchesterCat
10-09-18, 12:50
Hi all,
Have some time off during period around new years and contemplating a visit. As it's my first trip, thinking about joining a tour. Conscious that the holidays period will be one of the quieter periods. But wanted top get an idea of how quiet it will be. Is it still worth visiting, or will it be really dead?
Also, without wanting to start anything controversial. Thoughts on FKK tours? Especially for a first timer such as myself during the holiday period (for which I imagine experience would be more valuable?
Open to any other advice you may have.
Thanks in advance.
Anyone know of any good Halloween parties on Wednesday Oct 31st?Sources tell me GT and possibly Samya. Anyone seen any flyers advertising for Halloween?
Kosher Kowboy
10-09-18, 18:54
Hi all,
Have some time off during period around new years and contemplating a visit. As it's my first trip, thinking about joining a tour. Conscious that the holidays period will be one of the quieter periods. But wanted top get an idea of how quiet it will be. Is it still worth visiting, or will it be really dead?
Thoughts on FKK tours?
.They start splitting in early December by mid-month many are gone but always some around up until a few days before Christmas, middle / end January they start returning in masses. There is still action to be had over the holidays as well. Is it worth visiting?
Based on where I live and the fact I am locked up in prison in the USA I certainly would be thrilled to be there anytime even if only 5-10 percent of the usual were there. FWIW I have been there as late as 20 December before and LUs were depleted and I have been there as early as January 4 or 5 and LUs were still much less. However, I found plenty I liked and enjoyed my trips and even with the options of girls in the clubs less or my favorites missing I found plenty of vaginas to try. Keep in mind I am coming from a real shithole called Texas, USA.
A German or European who lives there or commutes there from Belgium, Sweden, Italy etc. Might give you a different reply.
My first trip to everywhere I have ventured including Germany was with a tour guide. The tour guide was me, myself and I. I did my research, sent PMs, reached out to others asked questions no matter how stupid others might feel they were. Google is your friend, youtube videos are out there too such as ' How to get to World by train', like a WikiGuide. Post a ' travel announcement' and perhaps another monger will reach out to you to meet and you will gain some pointers.
And of course reading the forums here are probably your best guide of all. On another note I know a few guys on this board who did start out with a tour and I know guys who have done so in Colombia, they learned how to fish on their own and also made some monger friends.
IMHO I think you can do this on your own, as we say here ' Research is your friend'.
Good luck and happy travels.
ExpatLover
10-09-18, 19:29
Hi all,
Have some time off during period around new years and contemplating a visit. As it's my first trip, thinking about joining a tour. Conscious that the holidays period will be one of the quieter periods. But wanted top get an idea of how quiet it will be. Is it still worth visiting, or will it be really dead?
Also, without wanting to start anything controversial. Thoughts on FKK tours? Especially for a first timer such as myself during the holiday period (for which I imagine experience would be more valuable?
Open to any other advice you may have.
Thanks in advance.Germany is a well develop country I am travelling around the World without joing any tour or group. There will be always enough girls to fuck that for sure.
Hi all,
Have some time off during period around new years and contemplating a visit. As it's my first trip, thinking about joining a tour. Conscious that the holidays period will be one of the quieter periods. But wanted top get an idea of how quiet it will be. Is it still worth visiting, or will it be really dead?...Totally dead between Chritsmas and New Year, at least 80% of the girls on holiday, FKKs would do better to close outright. The week right before Christmas less bad than the week right after New Year.
Totally dead between Chritsmas and New Year, at least 80% of the girls on holiday, FKKs would do better to close outright. The week right before Christmas less bad than the week right after New Year.I had a blast in Globe Zurich last NYE, albeit expensive. You can see my report in Zurich forum for details. Girls have to either work in Christmas or New Year in Globe, can't take both off, it's the club rule.
Read that Sharks was a sausage fest with very few girls in last NYE, even though club gave 1000 e bonus to girls who worked the holidays. Will they give bonus this year too?
Yes, some clubs maybe dead. But some are not: GoldenTime is not dead at all. Also Duisburg RLD does have some good business.
Totally dead between Chritsmas and New Year, at least 80% of the girls on holiday, FKKs would do better to close outright. The week right before Christmas less bad than the week right after New Year.
MarquisdeSade1
10-14-18, 19:16
https://www.thelocal.de/20181004/party-goers
https://www.thelocal.de/20181004/party-goers.On this Sunday, I was with a real Siberian from Krasnoïarsk, natural beauty, lovely, sweet, super sensitive for sex, but not on my woman types Romanians level, to make love in bed. Have to work to build them for our tastes, but can make some girls becoming great, and Romanians are my best GF for love in bed, honest and good hygiene. I would say Romanians have better hygiene than Germans, I mean for WGs.
ExpatLover
10-15-18, 21:14
On this Sunday, I was with a real Siberian from Krasnoarsk, natural beauty, lovely, sweet, super sensitive for sex, but not on my woman types Romanians level, to make love in bed. Have to work to build them for our tastes, but can make some girls becoming great, and Romanians are my best GF for love in bed, honest and good hygiene. I would say Romanians have better hygiene than Germans, I mean for WGs.Yes of course so much hygiene that you smell nothing.
MarquisdeSade1
10-18-18, 03:38
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018/10/29/a-joker-on-downing-street/
HerrPuppetMaster
10-20-18, 13:57
Hi all,
After spending way too many hours roaming this site, I made up my mind and decided to add a Frankfurt touch-and-go (fuck-and-go?) on my way to my final destination. I've been staying close to the airport just to make sure I don't risk missing my next flight, and I'm considering a visit to Sharks!
Even though I've read a huge number of posts, I haven't been able to find answers to certain questions. I intend, as I've been brought up, to behave like a decent guy, but do not want to be that noob, the guy who's spotted within 4 seconds of his entrance. So maybe some of you good people will be able to help me out! .
1. Where does the negotiation take place? I've read that it's in the room, but then it seems too late to say no if we can't agree upon the extras.
2. I read a lot about CIM-extra, but no CIF. Am I really the only one enjoying it or am I missing something?
3. I've understood that a good startup point is 50 E for 30 mins, 100 E for 60 mins. Not interested in BBBJ or DATY, but what would a typical DT, CIF (or CIM, see question 2), Anal or dildo play add to the bill?
I'm probably forgetting some questions, but I'll appreciate any help! .
Hi all,
After spending way too many hours roaming this site, I made up my mind and decided to add a Frankfurt touch-and-go (fuck-and-go?) on my way to my final destination. I've been staying close to the airport just to make sure I don't risk missing my next flight, and I'm considering a visit to Sharks!
Even though I've read a huge number of posts, I haven't been able to find answers to certain questions. I intend, as I've been brought up, to behave like a decent guy, but do not want to be that noob, the guy who's spotted within 4 seconds of his entrance. So maybe some of you good people will be able to help me out! .
1. Where does the negotiation take place? I've read that it's in the room, but then it seems too late to say no if we can't agree upon the extras.
2. I read a lot about CIM-extra, but no CIF. Am I really the only one enjoying it or am I missing something?
3. I've understood that a good startup point is 50 E for 30 mins, 100 E for 60 mins. Not interested in BBBJ or DATY, but what would a typical DT, CIF (or CIM, see question 2), Anal or dildo play add to the bill?
I'm probably forgetting some questions, but I'll appreciate any help! .Better to speak with girls about your tastes before going to room. Better to say it s not your first visit. If You treat girls like prostitutes, they will behave so, it s the easiest for them and You will be only fast money.
Most difficult because much more intimate than CIM, are kisser lovers who make them love in bed, who give them orgasmus, but most say thank You, no upselling, and they return to repeat. Also funny, when they feel their pleasure is coming, then most can t stop and help You to finish them, many like orgasmus, like women in real life.
Hi all,
After spending way too many hours roaming this site, I made up my mind and decided to add a Frankfurt touch-and-go (fuck-and-go?) on my way to my final destination. I've been staying close to the airport just to make sure I don't risk missing my next flight, and I'm considering a visit to Sharks!
Even though I've read a huge number of posts, I haven't been able to find answers to certain questions. I intend, as I've been brought up, to behave like a decent guy, but do not want to be that noob, the guy who's spotted within 4 seconds of his entrance. So maybe some of you good people will be able to help me out! .
1. Where does the negotiation take place? I've read that it's in the room, but then it seems too late to say no if we can't agree upon the extras..1. Negotiate services before going to the room and don't mention to any girls that this your first time. Just say that you are visiting after a while.
2. I think girls may not agree CIF (extra clean up after the session) and even if they agree then it will be extra (same or more than CIM). Disclaimer: never asked for this myself so I would suggest just ask the girl).
3. CIM is extra 50 E and anal is extra 100 E. These are standard club prices. The remaining services you mentioned will be extra too. Just negotiate with the girls.
I would recommend staying in Darmstatd instead of airport. There is a direct bus from airport to Darmstatd. Its 20-30 minutes ride. Just check Airliner bus's schedule and see if that fits with your timing. Frankfurt central is also easy 10-15 min train ride from the airport but getting to sharks will be another 30 mins. Where as from Darmstatd HBF it's easy 5 minutes taxi ride for 10-14 E, any time of the day or night.
ExpatLover
10-22-18, 04:06
Hi all,
After spending way too many hours roaming this site, I made up my mind and decided to add a Frankfurt touch-and-go (fuck-and-go?) on my way to my final destination. I've been staying close to the airport just to make sure I don't risk missing my next flight, and I'm considering a visit to Sharks!
Even though I've read a huge number of posts, I haven't been able to find answers to certain questions. I intend, as I've been brought up, to behave like a decent guy, but do not want to be that noob, the guy who's spotted within 4 seconds of his entrance. So maybe some of you good people will be able to help me out! .
1. Where does the negotiation take place? I've read that it's in the room, but then it seems too late to say no if we can't agree upon the extras.
2. I read a lot about CIM-extra, but no CIF. Am I really the only one enjoying it or am I missing something?
3. I've understood that a good startup point is 50 E for 30 mins, 100 E for 60 mins. Not interested in BBBJ or DATY, but what would a typical DT, CIF (or CIM, see question 2), Anal or dildo play add to the bill?
I'm probably forgetting some questions, but I'll appreciate any help! .Just take it easy, follow your own feelings, take your time, no rush, take shower and sauna, relax and don t drink alcohol.
HerrPuppetMaster
10-22-18, 04:33
1. Negotiate services before going to the room and don't mention to any girls that this your first time. Just say that you are visiting after a while.
2. I think girls may not agree CIF (extra clean up after the session) and even if they agree then it will be extra (same or more than CIM). Disclaimer: never asked for this myself so I would suggest just ask the girl).
3. CIM is extra 50 E and anal is extra 100 E. These are standard club prices. The remaining services you mentioned will be extra too. Just negotiate with the girls.
I would recommend staying in Darmstatd instead of airport. There is a direct bus from airport to Darmstatd. Its 20-30 minutes ride. Just check Airliner bus's schedule and see if that fits with your timing. Frankfurt central is also easy 10-15 min train ride from the airport but getting to sharks will be another 30 mins. Where as from Darmstatd HBF it's easy 5 minutes taxi ride for 10-14 E, any time of the day or night.Excellent, thanks Austin & Sirioja! I'll be sure to write a report after visiting!
HerrPuppetMaster
10-28-18, 22:08
Probably a newbie question, but. Do you guys wear your wedding ring when visiting an FKK or is it a big no-no?
Probably a newbie question, but. Do you guys wear your wedding ring when visiting an FKK or is it a big no-no?I cannot see what the problem would be. Wear your wedding band. Wear it with pride that you have been bagged and tagged by a honest woman.
Are you expecting to date a girl at the club?
Probably a newbie question, but. Do you guys wear your wedding ring when visiting an FKK or is it a big no-no?Are you going there to find some marriage-eligible ladies? A future MrsPuppetMaster perhaps?
Doesn't matter in the slightest. They want your money - they are not interested in marrying you.
They are happy to take money from both married men and unmarried men.
In short, they are quite happy to take money from men, period.
PussyLiccker
10-31-18, 01:39
Anybody know of a temporary Sim that works in other countries as well as Germany? I sometimes travel to Austria or Netherlands, and using a particular sim I use for Germany right now, I don't get services when I go across the boarder to NL or go to Austria.
Anything that I can put into use temporarily like the pay as you go cards you find at German gas stations. Difference is, I want something that work outside of Germany in Europe as well. And cheap (or most economical) please.
I use Lebara sim, and I top-up the sim for 1. 5 or 2 gigs of data on their website before I travel to Germany. Unfortunately, this sim is limited to Germany only.
Probably a newbie question, but. Do you guys wear your wedding ring when visiting an FKK or is it a big no-no?Like others have said. Doesn't matter. Even if you don't you can still get the question "are you married" or "do you have children". You can give any answer "yes", "no" or "why you care".
ExpatLover
10-31-18, 05:31
Anybody know of a temporary Sim that works in other countries as well as Germany? I sometimes travel to Austria or Netherlands, and using a particular sim I use for Germany right now, I don't get services when I go across the boarder to NL or go to Austria.
Anything that I can put into use temporarily like the pay as you go cards you find at German gas stations. Difference is, I want something that work outside of Germany in Europe as well. And cheap (or most economical) please.
I use Lebara sim, and I top-up the sim for 1. 5 or 2 gigs of data on their website before I travel to Germany. Unfortunately, this sim is limited to Germany only.If you don't have a monthly contract the price to use the sim card you bought in Germany in Austria will be very high.
ExpatLover
10-31-18, 05:48
Probably a newbie question, but. Do you guys wear your wedding ring when visiting an FKK or is it a big no-no?Nobody cares about your ring or not but if you are married I advice you to better stay with your wife nothing positive to get for you with a prostitute.
FunExplorer
10-31-18, 16:36
Anybody know of a temporary Sim that works in other countries as well as Germany? I sometimes travel to Austria or Netherlands, and using a particular sim I use for Germany right now, I don't get services when I go across the boarder to NL or go to Austria.
Anything that I can put into use temporarily like the pay as you go cards you find at German gas stations. Difference is, I want something that work outside of Germany in Europe as well. And cheap (or most economical) please.
I use Lebara sim, and I top-up the sim for 1. 5 or 2 gigs of data on their website before I travel to Germany. Unfortunately, this sim is limited to Germany only.Try Lyca. It's quite economical and meets your requirements. I have used it.
PL, Scroll to bottom to see countries:
https://mobile.lebara.com/de/en/sim-only
Since your SIM has a German based number, you should receive a SMS any time you leave you Germany. When entering NL or AT, you should have received a SMS informing you that there is no additional cost for calls, SMS, and data. You simply must ensuring roaming is enabled. Now if you take your SIM card to Ukraine or some of the Balkan countries, you will receive an additional SMS telling you the respective rates for calls, SMS, and data. In this case, you want to ensure that your roaming is not enabled.
No roaming within EU started June 2017:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_STATEMENT-17-1590_en.htm
PussyLiccker
10-31-18, 22:31
PL, Scroll to bottom to see countries:
https://mobile.lebara.com/de/en/sim-only
Since your SIM has a German based number, you should receive a SMS any time you leave you Germany. When entering NL or AT, you should have received a SMS informing you that there is no additional cost for calls, SMS, and data. You simply must ensuring roaming is enabled. Now if you take your SIM card to Ukraine or some of the Balkan countries, you will receive an additional SMS telling you the respective rates for calls, SMS, and data. In this case, you want to ensure that your roaming is not enabled.
No roaming within EU started June 2017:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_STATEMENT-17-1590_en.htmActually, I did find out roaming worked in NL on a recently trip, but for some reason, my data ran out quickly when I got back to Germany. Is it possble while roaming, data runs out at a greater rate?
Is it possble while roaming, data runs out at a greater rate?No. It shouldn't My phone allows me to check data usage over this month and last month. I can even see how much a particular app used. For instance, Waze used almost 175 MB last month. Perhaps you just have some data-hungry apps running in background. Were you watching YouTube videos, thinking you were on WiFi when you were actually using mobile data?
PussyLiccker
11-01-18, 04:24
No. It shouldn't My phone allows me to check data usage over this month and last month. I can even see how much a particular app used. For instance, Waze used almost 175 MB last month. Perhaps you just have some data-hungry apps running in background. Were you watching YouTube videos, thinking you were on WiFi when you were actually using mobile data?So, when I went down to NL, I noticed on my phone that roaming was on and I was getting data. Because in the past, I wasn't getting data when I crossed.
I know better than to use youtube or anything else that uses quite of a bit bandwidth that would eat up the data quickly. When I got back to Germany, I was throttled to intolerable speed (which happens when when I have used up all my data). So, I figured somehow the roaming (there was the 'are' on my signal icon) quickly depleted my data.
So, when I went down to NL, I noticed on my phone that roaming was on and I was getting data. Because in the past, I wasn't getting data when I crossed.
I know better than to use youtube or anything else that uses quite of a bit bandwidth that would eat up the data quickly. When I got back to Germany, I was throttled to intolerable speed (which happens when when I have used up all my data). So, I figured somehow the roaming (there was the 'are' on my signal icon) quickly depleted my data.Not sure what carrier you use but with the major carriers, you can purchase high speed plans and connect seamlessly. Once in the country I get a text, click the link an am connected within minutes. For sprint, it is $25 per week per country for unlimited data. When crossing over borders then I pay an extra $5 for a day's use. If you're worried about data usage, this freed me up greatly not having to worry if my YouTube is running or if music is playing. It's worth a call to check what services your carrier offers.
Like others have said. Doesn't matter. Even if you don't you can still get the question "are you married" or "do you have children". You can give any answer "yes", "no" or "why you care".So many married guys in brothels, even in AO clubs, fucking AO before returning home.
IF this hasn't been mentioned noted the discussion of SIM cards, limits etc.
I plan on using a mobile hotspot which will run about $US10/ day and connect at 4 G speeds in all or Europe etc. For example Tep Wireless 4 G – Pocket Sized Travel Wi-Fi Hotspot. There is no usage limit as I recall.
I used to use another brand on my many trips to Toronto before my cell carrier T-mobile offered Canada for a nominal price.
I usually got faster speeds than using the hotel wi-fi.
I will probably use the Tep on my Frankfurt 9 day trip. A disadvantage over a SIM is you can't use as a phone since just Wi-Fi. However, I have a VOIP phone on my smartphone so that isn't an issue.
PussyLiccker
11-02-18, 04:39
PL, Scroll to bottom to see countries:
https://mobile.lebara.com/de/en/sim-only
Since your SIM has a German based number, you should receive a SMS any time you leave you Germany. When entering NL or AT, you should have received a SMS informing you that there is no additional cost for calls, SMS, and data. You simply must ensuring roaming is enabled. Now if you take your SIM card to Ukraine or some of the Balkan countries, you will receive an additional SMS telling you the respective rates for calls, SMS, and data. In this case, you want to ensure that your roaming is not enabled.
No roaming within EU started June 2017:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_STATEMENT-17-1590_en.htmOne thing I should point out is that I use a Prepaid (which is what I need as I need data only for a short duration), it's not a contracted monthly plan.
On the link you provided lists the countries, but also states,"Countries included in all of our Lebara Abo plans".
So, what is Abo plan? Under FAQ it states:
What is the difference between Lebara Abo and prepaid?
Our Lebara Abo (monthly contract) is currently only available online and have a term of 30 days. At the end of the term, your contact automatically renews for another 30 days, unlike prepaid.
ExpatLover
11-02-18, 05:51
One thing I should point out is that I use a Prepaid (which is what I need as I need data only for a short duration), it's not a contracted monthly plan.
On the link you provided lists the countries, but also states,"Countries included in all of our Lebara Abo plans".
So, what is Abo plan? Under FAQ it states:
What is the difference between Lebara Abo and prepaid?
Our Lebara Abo (monthly contract) is currently only available online and have a term of 30 days. At the end of the term, your contact automatically renews for another 30 days, unlike prepaid.Yes you can you the sim card in many countries but the cost for data is very high without a monthly plan at least for my German lycamobile sim.
Anyone know of any clubs / brothels around the NRW area that has Asian girls?
Anyone know of any clubs / brothels around the NRW area that has Asian girls?Try this place in NRW:
http://www.asia-sexhaus.de
Seems to have what you want.
ExpatLover
11-02-18, 20:51
Anyone know of any clubs / brothels around the NRW area that has Asian girls?I am living for 15 years in China, in the FKK there are very few Asian girls, 1 old Chinese in World and some that around in other clubs, but nothing to be really excited about at least for me.
One thing I should point out is that I use a Prepaid (which is what I need as I need data only for a short duration), it's not a contracted monthly plan.
Our Lebara Abo (monthly contract) is currently only available online and have a term of 30 days. At the end of the term, your contact automatically renews for another 30 days, unlike prepaid.I believe the renewing is more of a convenience for the customer. At the end of the 30 day term, your phone will try to automatically renew. But if you do not have sufficient balance, you will receive a SMS informing you that your contract has been cancelled. At which point, you have to top up, and then send another SMS to re-initiate a new contract.
Alternatively, if you have an Android device, some Americans have told me that they prefer Google's Project FI rather than a traditional American mobile operator. The unused data transfers over each month. And you can travel to most countries in the world and never have to swap out SIM card. https://fi.google.com/about/.
Steve 9696
11-03-18, 02:35
Probably a newbie question, but. Do you guys wear your wedding ring when visiting an FKK or is it a big no-no?I ALWAYS wear my wedding ring when I am with P4 P girls. Whether German FKK, USA, Russia, Thailand, wherever. At first I did it just to make sure I didn't misplace it. Then it became sort of an ironic badge of honor. I rather like wearing it while fucking a hot young gal. Never been a problem in any venue worldwide.
ExpatLover
11-03-18, 06:01
I ALWAYS wear my wedding ring when I am with P4 P girls. Whether German FKK, USA, Russia, Thailand, wherever. At first I did it just to make sure I didn't misplace it. Then it became sort of an ironic badge of honor. I rather like wearing it while fucking a hot young gal. Never been a problem in any venue worldwide.I will never understand why married guys are going with prostitutes or they are not happy with their spouses and they have to divorce, just to buy poor mechanical sex. I can understand why some guys try to seduce other woman to see if they are still able to do it but a prostitute there is no trophy to win just you pay and she will open her holes.
HerrPuppetMaster
11-03-18, 07:24
I ALWAYS wear my wedding ring when I am with P4 P girls. Whether German FKK, USA, Russia, Thailand, wherever. At first I did it just to make sure I didn't misplace it. Then it became sort of an ironic badge of honor. I rather like wearing it while fucking a hot young gal. Never been a problem in any venue worldwide.Haha, I like the way you're thinking! I'll keep mine on then.
ThienHoangb4
11-04-18, 23:50
I will be going to Oase Nov 13 and just want to ask if there is a space to keep hand baggage there (about 6 kg). I can keep my backpack in the locker area, just want to know about the hand baggage.
Thanks!
Member #4585
11-05-18, 01:56
I will be going to Oase Nov 13 and just want to ask if there is a space to keep hand baggage there (about 6 kg). I can keep my backpack in the locker area, just want to know about the hand baggage.
Thanks!I wrote an answer to your probe in the appropriate Oase thread. Answering in the Oase thread is commonsense.
ExpatLover
11-05-18, 02:38
I will be going to Oase Nov 13 and just want to ask if there is a space to keep hand baggage there (about 6 kg). I can keep my backpack in the locker area, just want to know about the hand baggage.
Thanks!Probably you will be able to put it your locker or let it at the reception.
Citizen Kane
11-11-18, 20:11
Is there any way to get the 'hide banners' option to stay switched on rather than having to click it every time you come back to the site after you've been away for an hour or so? It used to be on permanently once selected which was more convenient.
Thanks.
I have few questions regarding to changing money to larger bills. At the end of my hobbying trip, I usually ended up with few hundred Euros. I remember one time I had one thousand Euros left consisting of mostly 20 and 50 Euros which I wanted to exchange to five 200 Euros bills to bring home with. Instinctively, I went to a bank asking to exchange for larger bills. The bank refused because I was not an account holder there. The clubs wouldn't exchange either, especially they don't even have 200 Euro bills. I don't think the place at the airport would do it (for free) because this is not about exchanging from one currency to another. Where would you recommend to change small Euro bills to larger bills without paying any commission or fee? Is there such a place at all?
ExpatLover
11-12-18, 03:05
I have few questions regarding to changing money to larger bills. At the end of my hobbying trip, I usually ended up with few hundred Euros. I remember one time I had one thousand Euros left consisting of mostly 20 and 50 Euros which I wanted to exchange to five 200 Euros bills to bring home with. Instinctively, I went to a bank asking to exchange for larger bills. The bank refused because I was not an account holder there. The clubs wouldn't exchange either, especially they don't even have 200 Euro bills. I don't think the place at the airport would do it (for free) because this is not about exchanging from one currency to another. Where would you recommend to change small Euro bills to larger bills without paying any commission or fee? Is there such a place at all?Impossible to find, you have to pay for it usually 5 euro per bigger note.
How much is the cab ride to Sharks and Oase from Frankfurt Airport? Is this metered or agreed on the spot?
TIA.
I'm looking at a Sharks visit next year and have some basic sex tourist questions. I apologize if these have been asked before.
1. Is it safe to assume the men in Sharks are mostly from Europe?
2. I've read Asians frequent this place and get a lot of attention from the WG's. Any reason for this?
3. Any Middle Eastern, India, or African customers?
I'm trying to see how international the FKK is or if it caters manly to Europeans. No judgments. Just seeking to information.
Thank you.
How much is the cab ride to Sharks and Oase from Frankfurt Airport? Is this metered or agreed on the spot?
TIA.I believe you can get an estimate on MyTaxi app. But both are easily accessible by public transportation. Catch the Airliner bus from Frankfurt airport (Google it or look up on bahn.com or DB app) to Darmstatd HBF and then 10 E taxi ride to Sharks. For Oase, train S8/ S9 to Frankfurt HBF (every 15 minutes and it's a 10 min ride) and from there take train S5 to Bad Homburg or Friedischdorf. 20 E taxi ride from Bad Homburg or 10 E taxi ride from Friedrischdorf.
Good luck!
Warsteiner
11-12-18, 14:41
How much is the cab ride to Sharks and Oase from Frankfurt Airport? Is this metered or agreed on the spot?
TIA.You can check the prices at https://www.taxi-rechner.de/taxikosten-frankfurt-main/85 but you are talking about 50 euros to Sharks and 60 to Oase. The taxis are always metered in Germany so you just pay whatever the meter shows when you get to your destination.
I'm looking at a Sharks visit next year and have some basic sex tourist questions. I apologize if these have been asked before.
1. Is it safe to assume the men in Sharks are mostly from Europe?
2. I've read Asians frequent this place and get a lot of attention from the WG's. Any reason for this?
3. Any Middle Eastern, India, or African customers?
I'm trying to see how international the FKK is or if it caters manly to Europeans. No judgments. Just seeking to information.
Thank you.Everybody is welcome for business at Sharks, I'm the white wolf there, but girls who really know me love me to repeat, as long you don't make problems to girls. Don't care about other guys. Many Turkish, Albanians, some Afghans. Many tourists, many Asians. Sharks, Oase, Mainhattan, became touristic clubs, so on tourists level.
ExpatLover
11-12-18, 18:27
You can check the prices at https://www.taxi-rechner.de/taxikosten-frankfurt-main/85 but you are talking about 50 euros to Sharks and 60 to Oase. The taxis are always metered in Germany so you just pay whatever the meter shows when you get to your destination.Sorry you are wrong you can get a fix price from most of the taxi in Germany even some of them have a printed price list.
Member #4585
11-12-18, 22:12
Hi Jim,
The answers to your questions is given in the quotes below:
I'm looking at a Sharks visit next year and have some basic sex tourist questions. I apologize if these have been asked before.
1. Is it safe to assume the men in Sharks are mostly from Europe?
2. I've read Asians frequent this place and get a lot of attention from the WG's. Any reason for this?
3. Any Middle Eastern, India, or African customers?Answer for questions 1 and 3:
I am praising the turkish men. They are only 5% of german male population, but constitute 60% of the club visitors. Without them, most of the clubs would simply shut down.If it was not for the vast majority of customers were Turkish men then the clubs would close.
Answer for question 2.
The Asian food served next to the kitchen was very nice. It was much nicer than the buffet choices. .The Asian guys like the Asian food since it better than local buffet fare.
Hi Jim,
The answers to your questions is given in the quotes below:
Answer for questions 1 and 3:
If it was not for the vast majority of customers were Turkish men then the clubs would close.
Answer for question 2.
The Asian guys like the Asian food since it better than local buffet fare.LOL, I guess I curse myself by choosing a word from an Asian language as my forum name. If not for this, I could write here and sneak quietly through the clubs without anyone guessing my online identity. Occasionally someone will put it together and have a good laugh.
Asian men enjoying the Asian food near the kitchen is not the reason why some women are known to target Asian men. I have however noticed that several of the women working in the club also appreciate a little flavor in their food as well as in the room. Living to my name, I tell the truth. Many women view Asian men as easy clients. Not just easy sexually, but kind, polite and generous with handing out Euro notes.
Answering question 1, there is a good mix of men from around the world. Some men don't appreciate others who aren't near carbon copies of their own genetic composition, but most are tolerant and won't bother you unless you cross certain social boundaries. We are there to enjoy women, food, sauna, jacuzzi, etc. And we are happy when everyone leaves happy.
To answer 3, yes men from around the world visit this club.
As I'm about to visit FKK land again in two weeks albeit for a short visit I find my mind thinking more and more about my next exciting adventure as the trip gets closer.
What I've often wondered about is how truly independent are the girls, are many "controlled" by boyfriends and I'm not just thinking of the ROM's but the local, well established German ladies too, like at Sharks where I'm next heading.
It's something I've always thought about but never asked?
As I'm about to visit FKK land again in two weeks albeit for a short visit I find my mind thinking more and more about my next exciting adventure as the trip gets closer.
What I've often wondered about is how truly independent are the girls, are many "controlled" by boyfriends and I'm not just thinking of the ROM's but the local, well established German ladies too, like at Sharks where I'm next heading.
It's something I've always thought about but never asked?Nobody will probably ever have a full overview on this topic, but from my knowledge it differs a lot. It takes a well trained eye to notice certain traits on the girls telling you how independent they are though.
As I'm about to visit FKK land again in two weeks albeit for a short visit I find my mind thinking more and more about my next exciting adventure as the trip gets closer.
What I've often wondered about is how truly independent are the girls, are many "controlled" by boyfriends and I'm not just thinking of the ROM's but the local, well established German ladies too, like at Sharks where I'm next heading.
It's something I've always thought about but never asked?Nobody will probably ever have a full overview on this topic, but from my knowledge it differs a lot. It takes a well trained eye to notice certain traits on the girls telling you how independent they are though.
But take note that in Romania, girls are far more liberal towards this work than in many other countries. And like in many other countries too, people need money to save up for something, sustain themselves, pay for children, maybe help parents, and many also have boyfriends. Not all have boyfriends in Germany though. Some are back in Romania too. Working out in the gym, and sending pictures of themselves on the cellphones to show off to the girls in order for the girls to stick with them in their relationship. Haha.
TankTank123
11-15-18, 03:25
Working out in the gym, and sending pictures of themselves on the cellphones to show off to the girls in order for the girls to stick with them in their relationship.... so that the silly girl will continue to send much of her money back to him to spend on other girls in Romania without her knowledge. I have seen a few of such pictures over the years. They invariably have bad endings.
Mongerer88
11-15-18, 03:34
As I'm about to visit FKK land again in two weeks albeit for a short visit I find my mind thinking more and more about my next exciting adventure as the trip gets closer.
What I've often wondered about is how truly independent are the girls, are many "controlled" by boyfriends and I'm not just thinking of the ROM's but the local, well established German ladies too, like at Sharks where I'm next heading.
It's something I've always thought about but never asked?I think you have to be really careful of that way of thinking and ask yourself if you would feel that way if sex work was not involved.
When Illinois did it's first draft (most of which was not enacted, fortunately) of its End Demand legislation, it tried to criminalize ordinary activities performed by persons associated with "known prostitutes". The reactions of escorts in opposing this proposed legislation was that they could not have boyfriends or husbands if this law were passed (without causing those guys to become criminals). As I said, fortunately most of it did not pass, but it made me realize how derogatorily people look at sex workers.
With respect to Germany's FKK system, a lot of the workers come from other countries or poorer areas of Germany and live where they work for a period of time. In order to have a life, these workers need to build a support system in their hometowns and native countries. Someone needs to look after kids, pets, elderly relatives, and take care of some day-to-day activities. Why should that be free? Nothing else is.
In China there are a tremendous number of workers who go from rural villages to work and live for weeks or months at factories a long distance from the rural villages. There are studies of the long-term effects of the children of those workers largely being raised by grandparents in the rural villages. But I don't believe I have ever heard of anyone saying a Chinese factory worker is somehow controlled by someone back in the rural village, even if the factory worker sends some earnings back there.
So I am genuinely curious as to why the situation with a sex worker traveling from a poorer country to work in a more wealthy country for a stretch of time would be different from a "control" perspective?
So I am genuinely curious as to why the situation with a sex worker traveling from a poorer country to work in a more wealthy country for a stretch of time would be different from a "control" perspective?I hadn't actually thought of it in those terms however I was particularly thinking of girls from Germany, a country most consider more affluent than say your typical Eastern European Country.
As I'm about to visit FKK land again in two weeks albeit for a short visit I find my mind thinking more and more about my next exciting adventure as the trip gets closer.
What I've often wondered about is how truly independent are the girls, are many "controlled" by boyfriends and I'm not just thinking of the ROM's but the local, well established German ladies too, like at Sharks where I'm next heading.
It's something I've always thought about but never asked?Not only Romanian nor Bulgarian, but many German girls are Turkish or Albanian pimped, You can read on body name of brother: Mezut, Arkan, just because they are afraid not to remember brother name.
ExpatLover
11-16-18, 02:55
As I'm about to visit FKK land again in two weeks albeit for a short visit I find my mind thinking more and more about my next exciting adventure as the trip gets closer.
What I've often wondered about is how truly independent are the girls, are many "controlled" by boyfriends and I'm not just thinking of the ROM's but the local, well established German ladies too, like at Sharks where I'm next heading.
It's something I've always thought about but never asked?Very few real German ladies in the clubs, and those who are there have some problems no German women need to work in a club to get fucked many times every day by each kind of guy, so many other options possible in Germany. 90% of the girls have a BF, pimp or are married.
I'm planning on being in Frankfurt on New Years Eve and New Years Day. Are the FKK clubs in operation during these times?
Thanks in advance!
Banana Boi
11-22-18, 02:10
Which clubs still have entry specials or frequent customer entries?
Some I recall having specials before.
Sharks.
Oase.
World.
Samya.
Sixsens.
ACA.
H7.
DV
GT / LR combo.
VV / Magnum combo.
Any more?
Does Oceans still accept those old free entry cards? I still have about 10 of them.
Which clubs still have entry specials or frequent customer entries?
Some I recall having specials before.
Sharks.
Oase.
World.
Samya.
Sixsens.
ACA.
H7.
DV
GT / LR combo.
VV / Magnum combo.
Any more?
Does Oceans still accept those old free entry cards? I still have about 10 of them.Artemis has 12 for 10 cards as always.
Iirc Paradise Stuttgart had something too.
The Oceans cards have expiry dates on them.
Anybody know of a temporary Sim that works in other countries as well as Germany? I sometimes travel to Austria or Netherlands, and using a particular sim I use for Germany right now, I don't get services when I go across the boarder to NL or go to Austria.
Anything that I can put into use temporarily like the pay as you go cards you find at German gas stations. Difference is, I want something that work outside of Germany in Europe as well. And cheap (or most economical) please.
I use Lebara sim, and I top-up the sim for 1. 5 or 2 gigs of data on their website before I travel to Germany. Unfortunately, this sim is limited to Germany only.I am using Orange Holiday SIM card during current European trip. It is a French company and you get France number and have to register if you plan to use beyond 30 days. After 6 days of use in 4 countries I think it is very good. There is no hassle of switching SIM cards per country. I have used the service in France, Holland, Italy and Germany. I had 4 G network in every you try and never had any issues with browsing. I haven't tried to use high bandwidth content like videos.
Initial cost is $50 for which you get SIM card and some gigs of data and calling time. Top up options seems reasonable, you get 5 gb data for 20 E to be used in 2 weeks. There is a 30 E top up option that lasts for a month.
I plan to use this service during my future trips until I find something better.
PussyLiccker
11-23-18, 03:52
I am using Orange Holiday SIM card during current European trip. It is a French company and you get France number and have to register if you plan to use beyond 30 days. After 6 days of use in 4 countries I think it is very good. There is no hassle of switching SIM cards per country. I have used the service in France, Holland, Italy and Germany. I had 4 G network in every you try and never had any issues with browsing. I haven't tried to use high bandwidth content like videos.
Initial cost is $50 for which you get SIM card and some gigs of data and calling time. Top up options seems reasonable, you get 5 gb data for 20 E to be used in 2 weeks. There is a 30 E top up option that lasts for a month.
I plan to use this service during my future trips until I find something better.5 gig of 4G sounds great if the coverage is good. I need to look into this. With the EU roaming law taking effect that McA mentioned, sim from any EU country with the fastest speed and coverage with lowest data rate would be the ideal.
I tested Lebara prepaid this trip roaming outside DE and I'm getting the same amount of total data I paid for roaming or not. I'm ok with 3G as it's fast enough for my needs, but coverage isn't that good since it goes down to Edge in certain areas.
I'm not interested in Google Project Fi because it requires minimum 20 dollars a month for calls and text to keep the accoubt alivr. I only need data service for a short duration of the trip.
PussyLiccker
11-23-18, 11:51
Which clubs still have entry specials or frequent customer entries?
Some I recall having specials before.
Sharks.
Oase.
World.
Samya.
Sixsens.
ACA.
H7.
DV
GT / LR combo.
VV / Magnum combo.
Any more?
Does Oceans still accept those old free entry cards? I still have about 10 of them.Yo, Banana. I just looked at DV Duss website and before 8 pm entry is 35 Euros! If you come in cab 65 Euros like Oceans. LOL. Oceans and DV provides huge incentives for cab drivers? And it's coming out of the cab rider's pockets. Interesting that DV follows the same model as Oceans. They even got that free airport shuttle service. As long as I recall it was a Messe club like Palace in Fra. Oceans is closest to the Messe, no? I guess this is the tourist clubs models. LOL.
I wonder if the managememt of the same, or curious why their system so particular and identical?
Member #4585
11-24-18, 14:05
I have been sent several personal messages that what has been discussed with regard to a bareback sex club audience may actually have some relevance to the some people in general. I am not expecting very many but I will do this as a public service.
The words are:
If you are a US citizen with a US passport traveling to the Schengen countries for tourism or business, you will not need a visa as long as you spend 90 days or less in these countries. Under this agreement, you can enter the Schengen area as long as your stay does not exceed 90 days within a 6 month period. ".
Link.
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/us-citizens/
Please note that starting January 1, 2021, US citizens will have to apply for an ETIAS prior to their travel towards Europe, in order to be allowed to enter the territory of EU. You still have more 2 years away for this to happen.
Its not important given how few guys this impacts as most attendance in the clubs is from the Union. Guys will be coming in their droves still. The pre-approved check requirement coming in on 1 Jan 2022 is just completing a form and paying a fee which lasts around 3 years. The application form is completed online and the EU have an service level agreement to turn around an approval or denial fairly quick given the circumstances. Just more paper trail for some overt agency to track people down if someone needs to find you.
I'm going to be in Cologne from 24th to 27th 2019 where I intend to sample Samya and Pascha. Then my plan was to take the high-speed train to Berlin. But now I'm wondering about taking a mini-tour of FKKs and taking maybe two or three days to get to Berlin. Are there any FKKs particularly worth visiting inbetween and not too difficult to get to?
Which clubs still have entry specials or frequent customer entries?
Some I recall having specials before.
Sharks.
Oase.
World.
Samya.
Sixsens.
ACA.
H7.
DV
GT / LR combo.
VV / Magnum combo.
Any more?
Does Oceans still accept those old free entry cards? I still have about 10 of them.YY has an Early Bird 11 am - 2 pm.
- Magnum has an Early Bird 11 am - 3 PM.
- Aca Gold has Early Bird and Night Owl 10 am - 2 pm and 9 pm - 1 am.
Finca Erotica for 35 before 2 pm and after 9 pm.
Samya is free fifth entry.
Kosher Kowboy
11-29-18, 18:14
https://www.peakhealthadvocate.com/441/fenugreek-improves-sexual-performance-in-men/
Saw this elsewhere, anyone try it to boost sexual performance, increase libido. One guy reports makes it easier to cum.
Anyone actually ever try this out and have experiences to share?
I do not think it is the same as ginseng, some links indicate it is others indicate similar. Ginseng did nothing for me.
https://www.peakhealthadvocate.com/441/fenugreek-improves-sexual-performance-in-men/
Saw this elsewhere, anyone try it to boost sexual performance, increase libido. One guy reports makes it easier to cum.
Anyone actually ever try this out and have experiences to share?
I do not think it is the same as ginseng, some links indicate it is others indicate similar. Ginseng did nothing for me.I wonder if the zinc helped. That's what my doc recommended. Said zinc is why eating oysters is associated with great sex. Fenugreek may help. I know women having lactation issues are recommended to take it. Maybe it helps produce for both sexes. But again I'm curious the results without the zinc.
I wonder if the zinc helped. That's what my doc recommended. Said zinc is why eating oysters is associated with great sex. Fenugreek may help. I know women having lactation issues are recommended to take it. Maybe it helps produce for both sexes. But again I'm curious the results without the zinc.It all comes down to testosterone. Everyone over 30 should have it checked. No one ingredient short of anabolic steroids or Human Growth Hormone will greatly increase your Testosterone levels. Zinc, magnesium, arginine, carnitine, ginseng, fish oil, yada yada yada homeopathic remedy; none of it will help that much unless you are pathologically deficient, but if that were the case, you would notice other problems before low labido. Those items are building blocks in testosterone synthesis but none are stimuli for synthesis. That stimulus is gained via hormonal regulation, not by providing secondary substrates. Yes, substrate supplementation has been shown to increase Testosterone levels by ranges of 5-15 percent but if low labido is your issue, you really need upwards of 75-100% increase which can only be gained by changing your hormonal cues.
Best thing to do short of direct hormone supplementation is to lower hormones that inhibit testosterone synthesis, estrogen and cortisol. Easiest way to lower estrogen is to loose body fat. Best way to lower cortisol is to decrease stress. Your only better option is Hormone replacement therapy.
Polyamorist
11-30-18, 04:24
Instead of chemical supplements, try bananas. No don't eat them. When you are in your white robe at the FKK, keep a banana in the pocket at all times. If your favorite beauty comes along, and says, "Are you up to it, old man?" that's when you place her hand against your pocket. The evidence of passion will surely excite her, just like a redness in a woman's cheeks excites us -- even if we suspect it is fake makeup.
Works for me.
Polyamorist
11-30-18, 04:45
As I'm about to visit FKK land again in two weeks albeit for a short visit I find my mind thinking more and more about my next exciting adventure as the trip gets closer.
What I've often wondered about is how truly independent are the girls, are many "controlled" by boyfriends and I'm not just thinking of the ROM's but the local, well established German ladies too, like at Sharks where I'm next heading.
It's something I've always thought about but never asked?As-salāmu ʿalaykum, Canary! This should be asked more, as we are the ones funding the system. For a good discussion, see these posts from a couple of years back:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3309-German-FKK-Clubs-Lounge-and-chat-area&p=1407079#post1407079
I have often expressed my preference for independents: they have more zing! Unfortunately they are rare. The 2017 laws made things worse, establishing higher entry barriers (including registration). Entry barriers tend to favor established players, in other words megapimps. The superbugs survive the "cleaning" while the probiotutes die out. This is why I avoid Germany these days.
Also if Mongerer88 recommends some escorts to you, these girls are probably not independent either. Often there will be a girl with quite ordinary looks selling an hour of her time to locals for 50 euros: then an agency will find her and hawk her to naive tourists at 150/ HR.
It all comes down to testosterone. Everyone over 30 should have it checked. No one ingredient short of anabolic steroids or Human Growth Hormone will greatly increase your Testosterone levelsAccording to this low testosterone means lower sex drive and lower semen volume. https://www.healthline.com/health/low-testosterone/warning-signs.
"Experts note that low testosterone levels, which affect about 5 million American men, can also result in the release of less semen during ejaculation. Although it doesn't affect your ability to have an orgasm, some men may find a decrease in the volume of ejaculate troubling. " https://www.everydayhealth.com/mens-health/can-less-semen-mean-low-testosterone.aspx.
A lot of sex tourists have told me they can orgasm 3-6 times a day watching porn. At the clubs, some of these guys pop zero per day. Or manage like five per the whole week. So I suspect KK is confident that he can physically achieve more orgasms. He is simply disappointed in the number of orgasms he has inside FKK rooms, relative to the number he can achieve watching porn. I could be wrong. He can correct me if that is the case. I have heard that some porn watchers just "edge", which if I understand correctly is to masturbate but never orgasm.
It all comes down to testosterone. Everyone over 30 should have it checked. No one ingredient short of anabolic steroids or Human Growth Hormone will greatly increase your Testosterone levels. Zinc, magnesium, arginine, carnitine, ginseng, fish oil, yada yada yada homeopathic remedy; none of it will help that much unless you are pathologically deficient, but if that were the case, you would notice other problems before low labido. Those items are building blocks in testosterone synthesis but none are stimuli for synthesis. That stimulus is gained via hormonal regulation, not by providing secondary substrates. Yes, substrate supplementation has been shown to increase Testosterone levels by ranges of 5-15 percent but if low labido is your issue, you really need upwards of 75-100% increase which can only be gained by changing your hormonal cues.
Best thing to do short of direct hormone supplementation is to lower hormones that inhibit testosterone synthesis, estrogen and cortisol. Easiest way to lower estrogen is to loose body fat. Best way to lower cortisol is to decrease stress. Your only better option is Hormone replacement therapy.Takedown,
These are all very interesting points. There are also a few health issues that if controlled can help avoid ED. Since a near fatal cardiac incident, certain issues have stacked against me. Cardiac and respiratory health, blood pressure, Type 2 Diabetes, BPH and some others. Controlling these health issues can improve impacts on ED but many medications prescribed to help control them can lead to even more severe ED. My point, do what you can to reduce these health issues naturally before you have a major health event and this will reduce your chances of ED. If you've had a major health event and take prescription meds, read the labels about possible side effects. So many list impact to male sexual functions. The other thing I believe is that the meds seem to tip the balance in the body somehow. In three and a half years I've gone from no daily medications to 11 with a couple as required. I believe once the artificial balance is altered for one condition there is a tendency for the balance is your body to upset, leading is subsequent health issues.
"Experts note that low testosterone levels, which affect about 5 million American men, can also result in the release of less semen during ejaculation. Although it doesn't affect your ability to have an orgasm, some men may find a decrease in the volume of ejaculate troubling. " https://www.everydayhealth.com/mens-health/can-less-semen-mean-low-testosterone.aspx.
A lot of sex tourists have told me they can orgasm 3-6 times a day watching porn. At the clubs, some of these guys pop zero per day. Or manage like five per the whole week. Health websites that are not peer reviewed are not to be trusted. Here are articles from the same websites that contradict yours.
"The fuel for the process leading to orgasm is testosterone.
"if he has clinically low testosterone or is suffering from depression his body may not respond to sexual stimuli and he may not be able to experience orgasm".
Surgeries or trauma may also cause DE. (Delayed Ejaculation). The physical causes of DE may include:
Low testosterone.
https://www.everydayhealth.com/sexual-health/the-male-orgasm.aspx
https://www.healthline.com/health/delayed-ejaculation#diagnosis.
All that being said, I must add to my earlier claim that made Testosterone to sound like the end all be all. Obviously there are other factors that are biochemical in nature that affects orgasm, specifically serotonin and dopamine and the medications or drugs that alter their levels.
From what I remember, KK says that his main issue was popping with a condom.
Mongerer88
11-30-18, 14:11
As-salāmu ʿalaykum, Canary! This should be asked more, as we are the ones funding the system. For a good discussion, see these posts from a couple of years back:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3309-German-FKK-Clubs-Lounge-and-chat-area&p=1407079#post1407079
Also if Mongerer88 recommends some escorts to you, these girls are probably not independent either. Often there will be a girl with quite ordinary looks selling an hour of her time to locals for 50 euros: then an agency will find her and hawk her to naive tourists at 150/ HR.It was good that you finally revealed your Northern African heritage to everyone.
I went to Morocco once and was appalled at how women can't go to a customer's hotel room, and the incall places can basically only be found by consulting a tout.
I don't think you know how the independent scene works in far Western Europe and North America where women are free to post ads, communicate freely and move around unobstructed.
The review system works and is best if there are a lot of reviews. When you have posted reviews you tend to stereotype an entire scene based on your experiences with one escort, and sometimes you did not even name the one you did not like.
Women are, fortunately, not all the same. And no two experiences will ever be exactly the same. A lady might like one guy better than the next guy, largely based on whether she liked him. The key to the review system is to find posters a guy has a lot in common with and read his posts for recommendations. They are relatively more likely to find escorts they both enjoy.
You and I have nothing in common, so reading each other's posts is futile, and we are unlikely to enjoy the same sex workers. I only responded because you brought my handle up for some reason.
Heh, if cumming is a problem, then why not quit smoking?
And eat aphrodisiacs such as tomatoes erc. I know I shouldn't say that in here because the FKK clubs tend to run out of tomatoes withing a few minutes after they put them up. LOL.
The diet is very important, and doing some weightlifting too. Especially when you go beyond 30 years old.
Kosher Kowboy
11-30-18, 17:15
According to this low testosterone means lower sex drive and lower semen volume. https://www.healthline.com/health/low-testosterone/warning-signs.
"Experts note that low testosterone levels, which affect about 5 million American men, can also result in the release of less semen during ejaculation. Although it doesn't affect your ability to have an orgasm, some men may find a decrease in the volume of ejaculate troubling. " https://www.everydayhealth.com/mens-health/can-less-semen-mean-low-testosterone.aspx.
A lot of sex tourists have told me they can orgasm 3-6 times a day watching porn. At the clubs, some of these guys pop zero per day. Or manage like five per the whole week. So I suspect KK is confident that he can physically achieve more orgasms. He is simply disappointed in the number of orgasms he has inside FKK rooms, relative to the number he can achieve watching porn. I could be wrong. He can correct me if that is the case. I have heard that some porn watchers just "edge", which if I understand correctly is to masturbate but never orgasm.I actually thought recently due to shit performances that I had low-T went to the doctor and tests came back quite the opposite. It was mental and combo of poor diet, not enough exercise the usual suspects (insomnia too) . In 2016 on one of my trips I managed at Mainhatten / Oase in 7 days to cum 21 times (3 times per day) all in rubber bags but now in the same time frame including playing naughty Gypsy style bedroom games finishing 21 times in 7 days isn't even in the cards. This is due to overall health I think and bad sleep. My doctor even told me going to Germany once a month or every five weeks than coming back to the USA jetlagged for days and never getting back in to my routine going to the gym than eating like shit and sleeping bad all take a toll over the months than next thing I know it is time to pack my bags again in fact I have yet in close to two years per my housekeeper / friend to even fully unpack my items! The only organized thing in my house is my passport, charge cards, European two pronged adapters and Euros are all in order the rest of my house looks like an apartment 5 Gypsies might share in Greater Dietzenbach! I (well he) thinks the nonstop journeys are taxing on the body; which is why I have been reading the Medellin boards in great detail to locate a destination to combine Germany with in my own backyard and that place is fucking cheap! Combine the two I could with great fortune never be in Texas for more than two weeks (three max) consecutively as the constant ' coming and going' no pun intended is taking a toll physically and in turn I think with my performances. From the time I land to the time I come home I always seem fatigued there (and here); seems I am always on the run.
As to Porn I really do not watch much at all anymore, should I? I have read much about ' the death grip' if one jerks off too much to porn or no porn that your cock might get adjusted to different ' grips' than when in some girls mouth or pussy (rubber bag or not) the grip can feel different and non-performance can be an issue. As a result I don't even jerk off much at all anymore nor do I see Austin hookers; save it all for my journeys.
I also think (or I need to research) that high dosages of Viagra exceeding the 100 MG ' by miles' per day over a course of 5-10 days might have some impact but I didn't want to tell the doctor this as not to have my Rx reduced.
And since this forum now includes Psychology 101 I will add my shrink told me to stop Ambien for a week and replace it with 10 MG Melatonin and the last few nights I haven't slept so good since September 2016 when I discovered what a Gypsy was and went to bed exhausted, elated and excited for what my future held. Perhaps the in-house medical staff can evaluate ' Does one really need ED Drugs or is it mental' and ' The effects of too much ED Drugs'.
And eat aphrodisiacs such as tomatoes erc. I know I shouldn't say that in here because the FKK clubs tend to run out of tomatoes withing a few minutes after they put them up. LOL.
That's not going to do crap. If you have sexual dysfunction, eating tomatoes, oysters, yada yada won't do anything. Urban legend like drinking orange juice when you're sick.
And since this forum now includes Psychology 101 I will add my shrink told me to stop Ambien for a week and replace it with 10 MG Melatonin and the last few nights I haven't slept so good since September 2016 when I discovered what a Gypsy was and went to bed exhausted, elated and excited for what my future held. Perhaps the in-house medical staff can evaluate ' Does one really need ED Drugs or is it mental' and ' The effects of too much ED Drugs'.All psych / mental root causes eventually manifests in a measurable molecular culprit, sleep included. Other hormones to measure would be cortisol levels, a heavily psych influenced hormone that would lead to sexual dysfunction. As far as Testosterone levels, what is important is Free testosterone, make sure your doctor clarified what level was high, free or total. For me my free was significantly in a lower percentile than my total.
Cardiovascular health is obviously important as if you have plenty of supply, it doesn't matter unless you have highways to deliver them.
ExpatLover
11-30-18, 23:07
I actually thought recently due to shit performances that I had low-T went to the doctor and tests came back quite the opposite. It was mental and combo of poor diet, not enough exercise the usual suspects (insomnia too) . In 2016 on one of my trips I managed at Mainhatten / Oase in 7 days to cum 21 times (3 times per day) all in rubber bags but now in the same time frame including playing naughty Gypsy style bedroom games finishing 21 times in 7 days isn't even in the cards. This is due to overall health I think and bad sleep. My doctor even told me going to Germany once a month or every five weeks than coming back to the USA jetlagged for days and never getting back in to my routine going to the gym than eating like shit and sleeping bad all take a toll over the months than next thing I know it is time to pack my bags again in fact I have yet in close to two years per my housekeeper / friend to even fully unpack my items! The only organized thing in my house is my passport, charge cards, European two pronged adapters and Euros are all in order the rest of my house looks like an apartment 5 Gypsies might share in Greater Dietzenbach! I (well he) thinks the nonstop journeys are taxing on the body; which is why I have been reading the Medellin boards in great detail to locate a destination to combine Germany with in my own backyard and that place is fucking cheap! Combine the two I could with great fortune never be in Texas for more than two weeks (three max) consecutively as the constant ' coming and going' no pun intended is taking a toll physically and in turn I think with my performances. From the time I land to the time I come home I always seem fatigued there (and here); seems I am always on the run..Sex is in the head, no need to take any blue pill that will only disturb the libido more. Keep fit, few alcohol, no drug good sleeping and everything will be fine, I prefer 1 nice room per day than 3 or 4 rooms without coming just to spend money with prostitutes.
"if he has clinically low testosterone or is suffering from depression his body may not respond to sexual stimuli and he may not be able to experience orgasm".
Here is the full, verbatim quote from the EverydayHealth article you cited:
"This sexual desire, or libido, is key in kicking off the process that will lead to orgasm. If a man has no sex drive for example, if he has clinically low testosterone or is suffering from depression his body may not respond to sexual stimuli and he may not be able to experience orgasm. ".
The fragment "if he has clinically low testosterone or is suffering from depression" is a subordinate clause in the above quote, so it modifies the statement immediately preceding it ("if a man has no sex drive" In other words, people with clinically low testosterone or depression will have no sex drive. KK's sex drive appears healthy. I don't think he is chatting and playing cards with his gypsies inside the zimmer.
If testosterone is slightly below average or average, then likely it would be other factors that are in play. In fact further down the page on the EverydayHealth article, it lists some:
"Some men can have problems reaching orgasm. These most often stem from psychological factors; for example, they are still affected by a traumatic event or a restrictive upbringing, or they have fallen into masturbation patterns that could have conditioned the body to take longer to orgasm. However, the problem also can be caused by certain medications or by a neurological or cardiovascular disease, or by having surgery where nerves are cut".
NHS article cites psychological causes especially when DE is situational (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/ejaculation-problems/):
"Delayed ejaculation can suddenly start to happen after previously having no problems, or (less commonly) the man may have always experienced it. It can occur in all sexual situations, or only in certain situations. For example, you may be able to ejaculate normally when masturbating, but not during sex. When ejaculation only occurs in certain situations, there's usually a psychological cause. ".
WebMD's lists medications, nerve endings and masturbation technique as possible culprits (https://www.webmd.com/men/features/overcoming-ejaculation-problems):
"There are lots of different reasons for delayed ejaculation. Some medicines -- like antidepressants -- are common culprits. For many men, it's age. As we grow older, the nerve endings in the penis become less sensitive. 'When the reflexes slow down, it takes longer,' Keesling says. 'Another thing that happens with age is that your erection ability goes down too, so it becomes more difficult to ejaculate without a full erection. " You may also have a hand in your delayed ejaculation problem. By adopting a masturbation technique that involves intense pressure, friction and speed, some men train themselves to respond to a level of stimulation no partner could duplicate -- at least not without coaching, which the man usually is reluctant to provide. ".
Some men have DE not situationally. In fact one monger told me that due to his health problems, even by his own hand, it will still take him 30 minutes to orgasm.
To your point about peer-reviewed medical articles, I think I found a good one. There are some snippets that cities studies that testosterone which support your point, but also masturbation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5002008/.
"Perelman and Rowland identified three factors that disproportionately characterized patients with DE: (I) high frequency masturbation (age-dependent, with a mean of greater than 3/ week); (II) idiosyncratic masturbatory style; (III) disparity between the reality of sex with a partner and preferred sexual fantasy during masturbation. They defined an idiosyncratic masturbatory style as a technique not easily duplicated by the partner's hand, mouth, vagina, or anus. Furthermore, those authors noted that many men with DE engaged in a pattern of self-stimulation that was notable for its speed, pressure, intensity, duration, and specificity of focus on a particular 'spot' of sensitivity in order to produce orgasm / ejaculation. In this way, they preconditioned themselves to possible difficulty in attaining orgasm with a partner and, as a result, experienced 'acquired' DE".
As a result I don't even jerk off much at all anymore nor do I see Austin hookers; save it all for my journeys.You are probably correct about overall health and bad sleep being the problem. But a multi-pronged approach to fixing the problem cannot hurt.
When you say "not much at all anymore", it's not clear what your longest periods of abstinence have been.
For what it's worth, those guys on those porn addiction forums advocate minimum of 90 days "reboot" period. This means abstinence (no porn, no masturbation, no orgasm). https://www.nofap.com/rebooting/.
Perhaps a less extreme, modified version of reboot would be better. Just quit porn. Just quit jacking off. And try to hold it until your next sex trip. If you experience withdrawal, than see one of your Austin hookers.
Here is the full, verbatim quote from the EverydayHealth article you cited:
Fair enough, and with your final points, it can be concluded that impotence regarding ejaculation from a grand view can be multifactorial. Adminttingly, I ommited the role of cardiovascular and nervous system health (in which medication plays a direct role) in my initial post but believe that to be common knowledge. However, at the molecular level, the level that is most directly manipulated, the picture is more clear.
First, the points regarding mechanical training goes without saying. One can be trained to respond better by sensitizing and desensitizing; that is just a matter of neurons adjusting to higher and lower action potential thresholds from repeated stimulation. Much like pain thresholds can be altered, pleasure thresholds can also be altered.
The points attributing impotence to mere "psychological causes" do seem incomplete. It's not fair to just say, "it's psychological. " This does not really identify a root cause of the issue, namely imbalances in molecules directly involved in ejaculation such as dopamine and serotonin.
Here's an article that tries to explain, as completely as possible, the physiology of ejaculation and orgasm to the anatomical and molecular minutiae:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5002008/
While science has yet to explain all of the intricacies of ejaculation physiology, on a molecular level what keeps popping up is the positive role of testosterone, dopamine, and norepinephrine and the negative role of serotonin and high dopamine thresholds.
What's most important here is that the final stage of ejaculation, the payoff if you will, is that ejaculation is directly modulated by norepinephrine (explained above) which in turn is modulated by testosterone (supported below):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20492973/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22282243/
McA,
https://www.peakhealthadvocate.com/441/fenugreek-improves-sexual-performance-in-men/
Saw this elsewhere, anyone try it to boost sexual performance, increase libido. One guy reports makes it easier to cum.
Anyone actually ever try this out and have experiences to share?
I wonder if the zinc helped. That's what my doc recommended. Said zinc is why eating oysters is associated with great sex. Fenugreek may help. I know women having lactation issues are recommended to take it. Maybe it helps produce for both sexes. But again I'm curious the results without the zinc.
It all comes down to testosterone. Everyone over 30 should have it checked. No one ingredient short of anabolic steroids or Human Growth Hormone will greatly increase your Testosterone levels. Zinc, magnesium, arginine, carnitine, ginseng, fish oil, yada yada yada homeopathic remedy; none of it will help that much.But let's reign this back to the pertinent inquiry and relating it to the situation of the original poster. KK was looking for feedback regarding libido enhancers, in this case, a product that essentially advertises itself as a testosterone booster. I suggested that direct androgen hormone replacement was really the only way to appreciably boost testosterone.
Pertinent to our tangent is that KK himself has professed that he is not a chronic porn abuser or engages in much masturbation. He has also professed in the past that his issue was not finishing entirely but mostly finishing with a condom. Taking his word for it, I don't see a reason to propose a nofap, no porn solution as this doesn't seem to be applicable to his case.
The point is one that I have contested with you many times in the past; that is, there are many facts involved in impotence and that each person has a unique profile. Masturbating and porn addiction is not the root cause of all impotence; and from the history, it seems to be of very little pertinence in this case. What is more likely here are factors associated with aging, medications, cardiovascular health, and others that fall under the lifestyle-psycho-somatic umbrella.
But let's reign this back to the pertinent inquiry and relating it to the situation of the original poster.It seemed what piqued KK's interest in the product was the testimonial of another monger reporting that the product made it easier to cum. I don't think we diverged too far from that topic as we discussed delayed ejaculation / anorgasmia.
Pertinent to our tangent is that KK himself has professed that he is not a chronic porn abuser or engages in much masturbation. He has also professed in the past that his issue was not finishing entirely but mostly finishing with a condom. Taking his word for it, I don't see a reason to propose a nofap, no porn solution as this doesn't seem to be applicable to his case.According to the "bro science" on the noFap boards, they mention minimum of 90 days abstinence. But if one has been watching porn for decades or is into extreme porn, then they propose a much longer abstinence period. KK described his current masturbation habit as "not much at all". If KK had quantified his frequency (I. E. "I masturbated only 3 times in the past year and once had a streak of 200 consecutive days without masturbating") then I might have not, proposed a period of abstinence.
Masturbating and porn addiction is not the root cause of all impotence; and from the history, it seems to be of very little pertinence in this case. What is more likely here are factors associated with aging, medications, cardiovascular health, and others that fall under the lifestyle-psycho-somatic umbrella.I don't think I've ever said that masturbating and porn addiction is the root cause of all sexual dysfunction. However, idiosyncratic masturbation was the primary cause for me. At age 21, I was able to masturbate three times in an 8 hour period at home no problem. But then I would fuck my GF 6-8 times a week without a condom and only manage to finish maybe twice and always in missionary position. Generally what happened was that I would fuck her for 20-30 minutes non-stop, then go soft before I could orgasm (no access to Viagra at that time). I cured myself at age 23 and steadily increased my ability to cum. At age 29, I was able to do CIM for the first time (only female hand and mouth). Doing three 30 minute rooms in five hour period and being able to finish inside a London condom in all three sessions was another milestone I had to work towards. And since I quit porn three years ago, I reached other first-time milestones, such as being able to cum while fucking in standing position and being able to do CIM (only her mouth, handsfree). These did not happen overnight. We are talking months and years here. Also, I suspect on all measures of physical health, I have steadily been on a downward trend since age 21 (lower testosterone, higher blood pressure, lower cardiovascular health, higher stress, higher depression, more trouble sleeping, higher bodyfat, etc).
I understand that my case was unique and my DE, at least initially, was several orders of magnitude more extreme than what is generally described here. But the common denominator amongst every fly-in sex-tourist I have spoken to regarding this subject is that they do not have access to cheap, legal, convenient, and frequent vagina while in their home country, so porn and masturbation becomes a necessary and disproportionate part of their routine, as was the case for me. One mutual monger acquaintance of ours, a fly-in monger from continental Europe in his mid-40's, told me that he masturbates 3-6 times a day. He is absolutely certain that even as a teenager, he was never able to masturbate six times a day. Most certainly, he is not physically as healthy as he was in his teenage years. Has his libido increased with age? Or is it that the convenience of streaming, on-demand, and limitless porn has made masturbation that much more tempting for him so that he just does it almost out of habit or boredom?
As I said, I agreed that KK should address his fatigue and insomnia issues first and foremost. But let's say a "reboot" (I. E. quitting porn and masturbation) only increases his number of pops per trip by one or two, I still think it is worth the effort. A reboot takes only discipline and willpower. Starting an exercise regimen or following a healthier diet are obviously worthwhile efforts as well, but those lifestyle changes place additional demands on time, maybe as much 60-75 minutes per day. If guys here were anything like me when I had my porn addiction, I constantly needed new content, and it had to be the right kind of content, otherwise I would not get turned on. So quitting porn has given me back 30-60 minutes per day, that I would have otherwise spent on a porn engine search interface, previewing videos, and closing popup windows.
Once again, I understand masturbation is not the root cause or sole cause of all cases of sexual dysfunction. Here is an excerpt from another peer-reviewed medical article by a NYC urologist explaining all the things he checks when encountering a case of DE (he uses DO as abbreviation for delayed orgasm):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4816679/
Management should begin with a good medical/psychosexual history, social/religious history, medication list, and physical exam. Focusing on the major etiologic factors (as listed above) is a useful starting point. Medication history should focus on SSRI agents and other psychotropic agents, and define the onset of the use of the medication as it pertains to the timing of onset of DO. Asking about penile sensitivity is a useful question, especially in men at risk for penile sensation loss such as diabetics. Symptoms and signs of endocrinopathies such as testosterone deficiency, hypothyroidism and hyperprolactinemia should be sought. Masturbatory style is another useful line of inquiry as frequent masturbation or idiosyncratic masturbatory styles may lead to DO. Defining relationship status, satisfaction and the role external stressors may be playing in the DO genesis is also important.
Furthermore, identifying the onset of the DO is critical, whether lifelong or acquired. Next, understanding whether the condition is generalized or situational is also critical to understanding the pathophysiology. Asking patients to describe a typical sexual encounter is often a useful ploy to unearth potential contributing factors. Defining the consistency of the problem, that is: does it happen all the time or only some of the time? with sexual intercourse and sexual outercourse with a partner? and how this differs between partner-based relations and masturbation? For example, men who achieve orgasm with masturbation but have difficulty with partner-based relations often have one of two factors as causes loss of penile sensitivity (overcome by vigorous masturbation) or psychological issues (interpersonal conflict, fear, anxiety, or hostility). Inquiring about how long a man attempts relations before stopping may also provide valuable insight into the problem. Some older men, due to inadequate exercise reserve of upper body strength, cease sexual relations sooner than they did when they were younger and thus interpret this as DO. Finally, asking about strategies or medications that have been tried previously for this problem will aid in plotting a course of treatment.
It seemed what piqued KK's interest in the product was the testimonial of another monger reporting that the product made it easier to cum.Can't disagree with that last post.
In summary, the recommendations from the boards to the OP:
I say if you're looking for supplementation, direct hormone replacement is the only sure fire way to boost testosterone to levels needed to improve sexual performance. OTC Test boosters do not increase testosterone levels enough to stimulate a noticeable improvement in sexual performance, if at all.
McA suggests a no fap, no porn lifestyle change.
Both recognize the importance of improving physical fitness and considering adverse effects of other medication.
One poster suggested Zinc supplementation.
Hi pals,
I plan to go to Germany in one month, and I want to visit the FKK Mainhattan (I won't have a car to move outside Frankfurt). I would like to know if girls are clean in this kind of clubs, and if someone know some girls good at DT in this FKK.
ExpatLover
12-06-18, 21:50
Hi pals,
I plan to go to Germany in one month, and I want to visit the FKK Mainhattan (I won't have a car to move outside Frankfurt). I would like to know if girls are clean in this kind of clubs, and if someone know some girls good at DT in this FKK.No the girls are very dirty and if you are married or have a GF it will be better you go to the church.
I say if you're looking for supplementation, direct hormone replacement is the only sure fire way to boost testosterone to levels needed to improve sexual performance.According to these sources, TRT really only improves sexual function in those with abnormally low T, or hypgonadism. And even those with hypogonadism only experienced a "mild positive effect". There are also risks associated with TRT (stroke, heart attack, sperm count may not bounce back).
Use of testosterone replacement therapy may increase your sexual function but only if you truly have abnormally low T and your sex drive is low as well. In a German study, the authors noted that men with hypogonadism who took supplemental testosterone experienced a mild positive effect on sexual functioning from taking the hormone. However, in men with normal T levels, supplementation does not appear to have much of an impact on sexual function.
For example, a review appearing in the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society article reported that based on their findings, testosterone supplementation cannot be recommended at this time for older men with normal or low-normal testosterone levels and no clinical manifestations of hypogonadism. One reason for this response may be that when the body is given testosterone, it transforms some of it to estrogen, and higher levels of this hormone may cause a reduction in sex drive, which is opposite of the desired result.
Although evidence indicates that testosterone therapy doesnt cause prostate cancer, there is some research showing it may speed up the growth of an existing prostate cancer or make it worse.
In addition to the challenges already noted, the side effect list includes development of acne, sleep apnea, heart failure, hair loss, liver problems, breast growth, increased risk of heart disease, worsening of urinary tract symptoms, and blood clots. Approximately 40 percent of men who take testosterone replacement develop polycythemia, a condition in which the blood cell count rises and thickens the blood. This in turn can raise your risk of stroke, blood clots, and heart attack.
Basically, at least for the time being, use of supplemental testosterone can be beneficial for men who have been diagnosed with clinical hypogonadism (low T levels and symptoms), but for other men its a huge mistake.
https://prostate.net/articles/testosterone-replacement-therapy-does-it-work
Dr. Welliver cautions men with an untreated heart problem, sleep apnea or a history of elevated red blood cell counts to not take TRT, as testosterone could worsen these conditions. Men with prostate or breast cancer should carefully use TRT for the same reason, he said. "Men planning on having children should avoid TRT, because it can decrease sperm count and fertility," said Dr. Welliver.
Do not take TRT for non-medical reasons, such as body building, preventing aging changes or performance enhancement. Men who have normal testosterone levels will not be helped by TRT. "Some men buy testosterone-boosting products at the gym or online, and that can be dangerous," he warned. "You don't know what's in those products as they are not regulated by any governing body."
https://www.urologyhealth.org/patient-magazine/magazine-archives/2017/summer-2017/testosterone-replacement-therapy-is-it-right-for-you
Also googled "TRT" and "orgasm". Looks like bodybuilder forums, and guys complaining of impaired sexual function while TRT. Not sure what one can make of their outcomes. It seems to be anecdotal evidence that supports above two sources. However, I am making assumptions here i.e. bodybuilders are younger guys, so they probably have T levels in the normal range. Also they are obviously not supervised medically and probably using black market drugs.
I dont know if this is everyones experience or just mine. Before TRT I used to masturbate daily, now its every three days or more. It feels like my testes produce such a low volume of ejaculate that theyre in conservation mode constantly. During sex it takes forever to cum, and when I do cum both balls retreat into my body so its like it requires the use of the secondary tank. And my orgasms are a hell of a lot less satisfying which I believe is due to having a low volume of ejaculate.
Sorry for being graphic, it just seems like a curse to feel more attractive and have a high sex drive, firmer erections, and interested sex partners, but not be able to enjoy it that much.
https://forums.t-nation.com/t/trt-causing-sex-issues/219519
According to these sources, TRT really only improves sexual function in those with abnormally low T, or hypgonadism. And even those with hypogonadism only experienced a "mild positive effect". There are also risks associated with TRT (stroke, heart attack, sperm count may not bounce back).
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Also googled "TRT" and "orgasm". Looks like bodybuilder forums, and guys complaining of impaired sexual function while TRT. Not sure what one can make of their outcomes. It seems to be anecdotal evidence that supports above two sources. However, I am making assumptions here i.e. bodybuilders are younger guys, so they probably have T levels in the normal range. Also they are obviously not supervised medically and probably using black market drugs.Hah! Are we arguing the value of testosterone replacement therapy now? What game can you possibly playing at? Maybe there are some "I nofapped and I still can't pop" stories out there too.
Seems to me that you are still pushing this no fap bro science pretty hard.
Obviously one should manage TRT with a doctor as there are tons of possible adverse side effects, long term and short term.
Years ago I got on some juice for 10 weeks and admittingly abused it without checking my levels. I was fucking harder, more often, and erections were stronger. I was still chubby as fuck and not cardiovascularly fit but banging out four girls in a day for four solid hours was no problem at all.
According to these sources, TRT really only improves sexual function in those with abnormally low T, or hypgonadism. And even those with hypogonadism only experienced a "mild positive effect". There are also risks associated with TRT (stroke, heart attack, sperm count may not bounce back)..Make sport, be fit, don't smoke nor drink to have a full power heart, then, even over 50 you can fuck with very hard dick for few hours. As say girls: You fuck more than 20's guys. But I need beautiful woman types, to feel desire.
Porn is not good for sexuality, just because porn is not sex, just a fake show.
Good point is can still find in Germany or even NL, some clubs where management really try their best to please You, even You are not a regular nor a local nor a friend. On this week end, I could watch my passion: ski Worldcup in Val Gardena. It on Friday and Saturday noon, in 2 different clubs where I m not a regular, one for entry only 40 €, with great breakfast, good foods and drinks. Really quiet place and on this visit, discovered a sexy, attractive woman type and I think I made her become passionate after her so wet pleasure, then hot for sex and really fresh behavior, even not new in business, but what I call a real woman. Good holidays to her, and maybe in January for our appointment.
On Thursday and Friday nights, also discovered on Thursday a sophisticated look woman type, with a asking for pleasure body, coming to kiss on Friday, guys and girls were looking at us when sitting together, repeating for pleasure on Friday evening, but have to work hard to give her, more than 30 mn DATYing her to make her very noisy with lot of liquid, cum, but after, a passionate woman doing everything to please You.
I don t want to pay for 30 mn fast sex rooms, waste of money for me because low quality for sex, I prefer to select woman types and do the job to make them will to behave as women for me. With these 2 discovery, 2 1 hour rooms and 1 for 1h30, because after so long DATY and BJ, she needed to go to toilets to feel better for hot sex, so I let her for my tip 5 mn to go and she came back with pizzas in less than 5 mn, then we ate pizzas in bed, and how do You think she behave after, so passionate, kissing all along. She even came to me at closing time, when she was coming back from room with a client. So smiling, always hugging and kissing. She has a BF in Hungary, but when she feels good, she says she prefers to take pleasure for sex, for sure I prefer to spend on these 2 kind of woman types with not the faintest upselling, just women for look and in bed. Much more enjoyable quality for me, than fast cheap fuckings.
Christmas party on 25 December at Sixsens. NL, if nothing better to do. I recovered fast for sex, I wish to be ready for ski for my Christmas present.
Kosher Kowboy
12-17-18, 00:20
Pertinent to our tangent is that KK himself has professed that he is not a chronic porn abuser or engages in much masturbation. He has also professed in the past that his issue was not finishing entirely but mostly finishing with a condom. I do not engage much in pleasuring myself, I usually just go online and find some $100/15 min quickie girl locally (I REFUSE) to pay any more, unless it is a $140 HH. Last trip last week I reached an all time low in performance to the point that come day 2 of 6 I was needing handjobs to either get me over the finish line or to the point I could fuck. Even at Day Care I encountered issues to the point I would get my BJ and Catholic sex but still couldn't finish so various Gypsies simply used oil and jerked me off than a minute before would climb aboard and ride me anywhere from 30 seconds to two minutes until I vashed them. The first three sessions on day one went perfect as did the first one on day two but after that many were like the above with the exception of two or three others, one when I tried out a new girl and the other with my newest Queen which shocked all the Gypsies as for the first time I did a whole hour. Part of this failure to perform is mental. At Mainhatten it was usually always blowjob, than blowjob / HJ together until close, on went the condom and I had a 100 percent finish rate inside the condom. The one Red Toweled Gypsy who let me AO her I had zero issues with, slammed her like I was 20 something again and fired a load when I pulled out of her doggie that nearly hit her neck. Other than that I was a loser, including most sessions at E44/ T32 as well.
As I said, I agreed that KK should address his fatigue and insomnia issues first and foremost. But let's say a "reboot" (I. E. quitting porn and masturbation) only increases his number of pops per trip by one or two, I still think it is worth the effort. A reboot takes only discipline and willpower. Starting an exercise regimen or following a healthier diet are obviously worthwhile efforts as well, but those lifestyle changes place additional demands on time, maybe as much 60-75 minutes per day.
Make sport, be fit, don't smoke nor drink to have a full power heart, then, even over 50 you can fuck with very hard dick for few hours. As say girls: You fuck more than 20's guys. First and foremost the fatigue and insomnia issue were addressed. Per the advice of medical staff I started taking Melatonin, sold OTC here although I hear in the UK maybe elsewhere an Rx is needed. They say take 5 MG at a time and 10 MG is the max but I take 20 MG (2 pills) and they are fast acting and like a candy dissolve / melt instantly, faster than the fake M&Ms that Siri loves to eat at Dietzenbach on his secret rendez-vous's he has with Gypsies on his clandestine trips. Actually I do not know if Siri attends Day Care, I am simply trying to figure out why the Gypsies collectively have the loosest pussies ever since I started going (although Selena still has a vice grip) . Some godzilla is banging them. The Melatonin has changed everything, I sleep like a baby now and can not even remember if I wake up or not to CODEWORD1 and I pop out of bed refreshed each morning at 5:30-6:30 AM sharp well rested ready for the day. I have not slept this good in years. I love this stuff! I even have lots of dreams and remember many of them.
No ' reboot' needed, porn and jerking off not issue but the rest of what MacA and Siri suggest have been addressed. No smoking at all, this is probably an issue on my past trip (s) as I like to join the prozzies in sucking on cancer sticks. I don't drink anyway. I have tried googling information on smoking and erections / sex / cumming and all I can find is the usual ' smoking cigarettes can harden your arteries etc. ' and kill your dick.
What I am trying to figure out is can one cigarette cause an issue? Does one need to smoke several to have an impact? Even if just one I can only assume joining the hooker on the couch or smoking lounge for a smoke right before the session might have been one of the causes to my CODEWORD1 poor performance.
Since I returned 6 nights ago I have been the the gym and done cardio and weights 5 consecutive days, all of the contents of my fridge and cupboard were given to a friend and replaced with nothing but health foods. I exercise as MacA and Siri suggest to the tune of 2-3 hours per day now including push ups and sit ups morning and evening, I have dropped over 5 pounds. I once again can proudly look down at my feet in the shower and see my feet again, not a protruding gut. I wake up daily with morning wood again. I drink (4)+ 16 oz bottles of water a day and cut out all junk sugar (Snicker bars, Sour gummi bears, ice cream etc) as well as high sodium which painfully means giving up Chinese Food for now. I decided yesterday that things were going so well I would go test the system out on some Austin girls.
At noon I went to see a black lady (I like a black woman now and than) who lives a mile from me for a 15 min quickie and she let me go over was close to 25 minutes of pure pounding until the end. I spent the day at the gym, had a healthy dinner and around 9 PM went to see some good old Texas White Trash and once again the system worked just fine this time was a 30 min appointment but I couldn't finish as was taking too long and to save time to finish up I blew in her mouth (she swallowed too, all included).
Long story short, the Melatonin has reversed all sleep issues and no more fatigue especially during the day. The exercise program and diet and proper hydration along with no smoking seems to have improved things on the home front now I just need to see if can continue until the next trip and see how I perform. The problem with being a ' fly in' as opposed to being a local German / Turk or a lucky EU citizen who can visit for 2-3 days anytime we coming from the USA / Canada and The Far East have to cram sometimes 20+ sessions in to a 6-10 day time frame.
I also think time pressure and knowing the girls want to turn the rooms fast play in to the mental aspect that can lead to failure to perform and / or finish which may be one reason at home I do much better as it is the opposite, book 15/30 min and if they already know you free time always is included, the opposite of a ' 30 min room at Artemis should be no more than 8' attitude many have in the FKKs. ' Rush and greed' in the girls head be it real or imagined IMO can also play a role in the guy's performance.
That being said I decided to test out an hour session this past trip 2 X as opposed to my usual quickies, once with the Gypsy Queen and once with the Precious Princess / Mafia Boss also known as Leah up at Mainhatten. Both of those sessions were two of the best of the trip, as well as the Mainhatten AO session and the first few Dietz sessions.
We will see what next month brings, hopefully new results in the new year. I will make sure to take my bottle of Meletonin to Germany along with my American Express Card, ' Don't leave home without them' :D
Does anybody know about New Years Eve parties at Frankfurt area clubs? The only thing I've seen so far is something at Sharks, but couldn't read it as it's in German and it's a pic, not text, so not translatable.
Any info would be appreciated. Will report back. Thanks!
Some days I mainly go for a certain type of girl, while other days I go for a different type of girl. Especially below the 10/10 who allways work for me, the 8's and 9's are based on daily instincts, and these instincts can even pull the 8's and 9's up to level 10. It is as if I am able to switch entirely from one day to the next, and the main hurdle I need to cross is just 5 hours of non stop sleep. A 2 hour nap is never enough, and this leads me to think it is based on dream sleep.
Carl Yung wrote:
"Dreams are impartial, spontaneous products of the unconscious psyche, outside the control of the will. They are pure nature; they show us the unvarnished, natural truth, and are therefore fitted, as nothing else is, to give us back an attitude that accords with our basic human nature when our consciousness has strayed too far from its foundations and run into an impasse."
So by the idea that I sometimes switch preferences after sleep, this leads me to think that one of either two ideas hold true. 1. I am naturally polygamous, and I believe any person having the same experiences are the same. This is on an individual basis where I just want a different experience from one day to the next. 2. I want my polygamous spread of interactions (probably gene related) to vary as much as possible from one day to the next. However, since I may be on the same spree of days with the same attraction variables, it usually never lasts longer than 3 days maximum before the poles change.
In a way I tend to think theory 2 is the most fitting. My unconscious are very pro native diversity of the genepool, and wants an ala'carte. So within a club, smart girls should therefore have as many different hairstyles as possible. The hair is such a big part of ones look that it has a much bigger effect than smaller attributes. Green, blue, purple, blonde, black, white, striped, pink, brown etc etc. At some clubs when I see a girl with an unusual hair color, I usually jump at the chance to try it out. Alexia at Sharks was smart that way with her green stripes on blonde hair that ran out after each day. And the red haired girls at Wellcum are onto something. But this also comes down to lingerie options. Corsettes, leg warmers, different colors, boots, high heels, slippers, plateau boots, collars, arm warmers, jewlery, white lipstick, black lipstick etc etc. And if you have tried one girl with one look, her changing the looks from one day to the next, or from one month to the next can revitalize a lot. This way we can fool our dreams. Psychologists call this same thing 'spicing up ones sex life'. While in reality it is just an affirmation of our very own polygamous unconscious psyche shown to us through our dreams.
Girls who wants to make money should take notice of this, and be creative.
I plan to go to Germany in one month, and I want to visit the Frankfurt or NRW area clubs. I would like to know what are considered the best FKK at the moment?
Vito Corleone
12-17-18, 20:09
I plan to go to Germany in one month, and I want to visit the Frankfurt or NRW area clubs. I would like to know what are considered the best FKK at the moment?Salome in herne was earth shattering!
ExpatLover
12-17-18, 20:54
Does anybody know about New Years Eve parties at Frankfurt area clubs? The only thing I've seen so far is something at Sharks, but couldn't read it as it's in German and it's a pic, not text, so not translatable.
Any info would be appreciated. Will report back. Thanks!Not a good idea to spend your NYE in a club, last year at Oase for example the 30 minutes was 150 euros, I will never visit on a 31 of December, so many more nice things to do that to spend the last evening of the year with prostitutes.
ExpatLover
12-17-18, 20:56
I plan to go to Germany in one month, and I want to visit the Frankfurt or NRW area clubs. I would like to know what are considered the best FKK at the moment?If you are a first time monger in FKK, give a try to Shark the largest LU in Germany, after Oase, World and may be Samya even the last reports are not good.
Jimmy Boy 99
12-17-18, 23:45
I plan to go to Germany in one month, and I want to visit the Frankfurt or NRW area clubs. I would like to know what are considered the best FKK at the moment?If you read the German FKK forum you would know where to go and whether to take Vitos' advice.
Smoke Light
12-18-18, 00:40
I plan to go to Germany in one month, and I want to visit the Frankfurt or NRW area clubs. I would like to know what are considered the best FKK at the moment?SF49U,
It is going to be a sausage fest everywhere. I plan to be in Samya on Silvester December 31st simply because my regular girl will be there. She likes to groupfuck on holiday parties. If interested, PM me. Best of luck, enjoy.
I do not engage much in pleasuring myself, I usually just go online and find some $100/15 min quickie girl locally Do you know approximately the longest streak you have gone without masturbating? "Experts" on those anti-fap testimonials recommend minimums of 90-180 days to train yourself to orgasm without the use of your own hand. Their stance is it needs to be 90-180 consecutive days so you can unlearn, break habits.
An idea might be to even eliminate manual stimulation that the WG gives you too. In other words, only manual or vaginal stimulation. If you can't orgasm, you can carry that orgasm into your session next week. At some point, just from sheer deprivation, you will explode. I admit these thoughts are unconventional, but they worked for me. I noticed that when I was younger, I had to be in a "comfort zone" to be able to orgasm. This made cumming difficult, because everything had to be perfect. But since then I've tried to expand my comfort zone. The idea is that if I can cum in more challenging positions, then cumming in my go-to-positions would be easier.
The problem with being a ' fly in' as opposed to being a local German / Turk or a lucky EU citizen who can visit for 2-3 days anytime we coming from the USA / Canada and The Far East have to cram sometimes 20+ sessions in to a 6-10 day time frame. You are absolutely correct. Most locals and EU mongers have never pushed themselves for 20+ session in a 6-10 day time frame. But some international guys like you have reported extreme difficulty orgasming as early as day two. And many of the local EU mongers have done 2-4 day trips before, although I suspect their pace is not as urgent, maybe 10-12 sessions in a 4 day period.
I also think time pressure and knowing the girls want to turn the rooms fast play in to the mental aspect that can lead to failure to perform and / or finish which may be one reason at home I do much better as it is the opposite, book 15/30 min and if they already know you free time always is included, the opposite of a ' 30 min room at Artemis should be no more than 8' attitude many have in the FKKs. ' Rush and greed' in the girls head be it real or imagined IMO can also play a role in the guy's performance.I think Chongmal called this anti-viagra in another thread (rush and greed).
Kosher Kowboy
12-18-18, 01:31
Do you know approximately the longest streak you have gone without masturbating? "Experts" on those anti-fap testimonials recommend minimums of 90-180 days to train yourself to orgasm without the use of your own hand. Their stance is it needs to be 90-180 consecutive days so you can unlearn, break habits.
An idea might be to even eliminate manual stimulation that the WG gives you too. In other words, only manual or vaginal stimulation. If you can't orgasm, you can carry that orgasm into your session next week. At some point, just from sheer deprivation, you will explode. I admit these thoughts are unconventional, but they worked for me.
You are absolutely correct. Most locals and EU mongers have never pushed themselves for 20+ session in a 6-10 day time frame. But some international guys like you have reported extreme difficulty orgasming as early as day two. And many of the local EU mongers have done 2-4 day trips before, although I suspect their pace is not as urgent, maybe 10-12 sessions in a 4 day period.
I think Chongmal called this anti-viagra in another thread (rush and greed).Chongmal is correct, anything that disrupts the chemistry in sessions such as rush and greed can be the anti Viagra, fully agree with him.
I think maybe 2 to 3 weeks might be the longest manual abstinence maybe more but with trips every 4-5 weeks I try to just hold off or see one here. I noticed one of my Cajun Cum Dumpsters from the great State of Louisiana has just arrived in town, might go dump one in her and see how it goes. Keep the pipes working with no manual stimulation as you suggest.
I think in your above comment to avoid manual stimulation from the WG you meant only oral and vaginal in the next line? I think you're maybe right, in having them jerk me with oil or lube I am probably making the ' job' more difficult in the long run.
When in good health I usually hit my brick wall on day 4, sometimes 5. I really need to find an off day activity to recharge on my 6-10 day trips. Or cut down my daily sessions to 2 not 3 or just do as some guys do and not cum, fuck as many as can until you simply pop as you say. And keep rolling.
I am researching Medellin now and if I like it will start spacing Germany out in 6-8 week intervals and take 2-4 day runs down to Colombia so I can never be in Texas more than two consecutive weeks; Medellin can replace masturbation and in 3-4 days I shouldn't burn out and pussy costs pennies down there :D
Ggekko2009
12-18-18, 15:34
I am researching Medellin now and if I like it will start spacing Germany out in 6-8 week intervals and take 2-4 day runs down to Colombia so I can never be in Texas more than two consecutive weeks; Medellin can replace masturbation and in 3-4 days I shouldn't burn out and pussy costs pennies down there :DYou might want to check out Cartagena too, especially if you have never been to Colombia and do not speak Spanish.
Chongmal is correct, anything that disrupts the chemistry in sessions such as rush and greed can be the anti Viagra, fully agree with him.
DBest of luck KK. We've kind of discussed this ad nauseum so thank you for serving as our case study.
The only thing I will add further is that perhaps we are manifesting a problem when there really isn't one. Maybe a lot of guy don't actually have a problem when compared to the normal population. If someone can't finish at all, okay that's one thing. However, it's another if we're talking about guys over 35 years old trying to go 4, 5, 6 or 10 days orgasming 3,4, or 5 times a day. I'm not certain that it would be normal to be able to do that. The guys who can cum 12-16 times in 4 days, that's the abnormal population, not the guys finishing twice a day. Most of us are not 25 anymore.
Heck, I can't even masturbate 6 times in 2 days anymore flipping through hundreds of porn hub videos.
Kosher Kowboy
12-18-18, 17:12
You might want to check out Cartagena too, especially if you have never been to Colombia and do not speak Spanish.Spanish is no problem, I am solid intermediate but I may do two weeks there as there is a Spanish school there well known too and might try to push myself up to the advanced C1 level or upper end B2 and study by day and fuck cheap at night. Cartagena no urge, too hot and humid and muggy (much like PTY) and Bogota simply not as nice as Medellin. Not that I will not try them, flying in to Cartagena and Bogota is a tad easier especially Bogota so if I like Medellin I might just fly in to Bogota and fly Copa to / from Medellin. Is less than $100 RT I think. Flights leave all the time. Medellin is much more advanced and is also a possible retirement option with many Americans there. The weather and elevation of Medellin is great for very nice evenings and daytime temps not bad at all either.
But if we enter a bear market in 2019-20 you might just find me roaming around the clock tower in Cartagena or slumming it in Bogota's Santa Fe neighborhood or Codeword1'ing the Bogota regulars by paying top Peso in the barrio Zona Rosa :D
after June of course, already bought my airline tickets for the first half of 2019 to Germany
Does anybody know about New Years Eve parties at Frankfurt area clubs? The only thing I've seen so far is something at Sharks, but couldn't read it as it's in German and it's a pic, not text, so not translatable.
Any info would be appreciated. Will report back. Thanks!Sharks, Oase & Palace are all advertising New Years Eve parties, read it on fkk24 dot de. Chrome with Google Translate should be sufficient.
Best of luck KK. We've kind of discussed this ad nauseum so thank you for serving as our case study.Yes, KK. Thanks for sharing. I think most would not feel comfortable discussing such private matters. Perhaps our discussion might help someone who has been following along. Off the record, probably close to ten international mongers have shared with me that they rarely orgasm in the zimmer--even when engaging in multi-hour rooms. I generally let them elaborate if they choose. So for some, it could be due to health or medication reasons. But what I found is that most will (after an awkward pause) say something along the lines, "I don't think it is physical because I can go back to the hotel and masturbate three times a day. No problem".
The only thing I will add further is that perhaps we are manifesting a problem when there really isn't one. Maybe a lot of guy don't actually have a problem when compared to the normal population. If someone can't finish at all, okay that's one thing. However, it's another if we're talking about guys over 35 years old trying to go 4, 5, 6 or 10 days orgasming 3,4, or 5 times a day. I'm not certain that it would be normal to be able to do that. The guys who can cum 12-16 times in 4 days, that's the abnormal population, not the guys finishing twice a day. Most of us are not 25 anymore.Good points. What is important is that each individual is striving to break through personal plateaus. For instance, if my desire is to improve my 100 meter sprint time, I should not be comparing my personal best time (PB) against that of Usain Bolt's. And I shouldn't be comparing my current PB time against the one I had as a teenager. With that in mind, I think KK is level-setting his expectations appropriately. KK's PB of 21 pops in 7 days was from two mongering seasons ago. So using that as a baseline, and factoring in that he is two years older, I think a target goal of 18 pops in 7 days would be reasonable. KK usually is reasonable, so I suspect he is expressing concern only because his drop-off in output was rather precipitous.
KK, some context around your PB trip from two years ago might be in order. Was it your first FKK trip ever? Most mongers have sensory overload their first trip. Visual and mental stimuli elevate their output to levels they never thought possible. Engaging in new mongering experiences for the first time might also have a performance boosting effect. For instance, if that trip was the first time in your mongering career that you AO'ed five WGs in the same day, then perhaps that fueled your PB performance? Discovery of an all-time favorite WG on that trip might have also had a similar effect. If that trip was somehow exceptional in nature, then maybe a goal of 15-16 pops in 7 days is more realistic for you.
Kosher Kowboy
12-19-18, 00:59
Yes, KK. Thanks for sharing. I think most would not feel comfortable discussing such private matters. Perhaps our discussion might help someone who has been following along. For instance, if my desire is to improve my 100 meter sprint time, I should not be comparing my personal best time (PB) against that of Usain Bolt's. And I shouldn't be comparing my current PB time against the one I had as a teenager. With that in mind, I think KK is level-setting his expectations appropriately. KK's PB of 21 pops in 7 days was from two mongering seasons ago. So using that as a baseline, and factoring in that he is two years older, I think a target goal of 18 pops in 7 days would be reasonable. KK usually is reasonable, so I suspect he is expressing concern only because his drop-off in output was rather precipitous.
KK, some context around your PB trip from two years ago might be in order. Was it your first FKK trip ever? I do not mind discussing such private matters, they really aren't all that private. This is a like a locker room here. Who cares and yes, for everyone of us guys posting there are thousands more reading and I am sure some can relate. I think the comparison to the sprint time vs that of Bolt's is a good one fully in play here, I may be being unrealistic. I walk in to Sharks or Oase and see tons of guys now younger than I when those guys used to be me. I have friends now that monger close to half my age or just over and I think that is part of the issue now, I am trying to perform like them, ' the Usain Bolt's' when I am not.
I think much of my trying to perform like a ' kid' is making me put pressure on myself to do what is not natural, I am going thru my monger midlife crisis I guess.
FYI I did go see that Cajun trash last night and did perform quite well. Seems if I bang one hooker a day no issues, two was no issue three days ago but I had two days in between. In that time I hit the gym, slept great, ate well and so on. This is exactly what the home team Germans and EU folks can do, go be animals for 2-4 days which is exactly why I need to add in Medellin so I can have within my own neighborhood a place to go for short marathons that is cheap like EU guys get with Germany, overhead is a hotel and 100 Euros on AirEuropa etc. Actually I am quite excited to complement Germany with Latinas as prior to Germany the previous 16 years were spent travelling the Latina world and tons of ' misbehaved Latina Gypsies' as well are out there. The Colombian girls in Panama (many I was told worked the Medellin clubs) and the ones sent up to San Jose to work in CR were a breeze dealing with compared to Romanian girls it was literally going from hardball to softball underhand pitches :D
This 21 for 21 trip was I am guessing was trip number 5 or 6, my passport indicates many trips to Germany since early 2016 but only 4 trips in 2016 and this was a 7 day trip and the only stamps that match up to that are in early 2017 so close to two years ago. I am going to guess February. It was right after my CO ski trip when I was 15 pounds lighter. That being said physical shape is perhaps the answer followed by mental strength and I think the last year has been bad with weight gain and as I approached 50 (was in the back of my head since I turned 49) I think seeing all the young mongers (and memories of my great years) did me in; add in friends who are younger and trying to keep up with the Jones's a recipe for a steep decline was there as you mention the drop was quick. I also think as much as I love the RLD it fucks up the next day as I am adding a load shot to the total as opposed to keeping the number of pops steady and reducing what is blown at Day Care or Mainhatten, Sharks etc.
I shall now go look for a condom only 15 min quickie now, batting practice time. January will tell.
you meant only oral and vaginal in the next line?KK, you are correct. I meant to write only oral and vaginal.
I think maybe 2 to 3 weeks might be the longest manual abstinence.I am unsure why their recommended abstinence period 90-180 days, but I will offer a wild guess. I would liken achieving orgasm to falling asleep. At least three requirements need to be met to fall asleep (1) one has to be mentally free of stress, (2) one has to be in a somewhat "deprived" state, and (3) one's body must be in a position that is physically comfortable or natural to them. For the purposes of this rather far-fetched analogy, I will focus only on this third requirement.
AFAIK, most people have a position that is easiest for them to fall asleep in. For instance, when I lie on my stomach, I am asleep within 15 minutes, when lying on my side about 20 minutes, but when lying on my back, it is almost impossible. Similarly, most men have a manner in which it is easiest for them to achieve orgasm. For instance, using one's own hand might take three minutes, missionary 7 minutes, and cowgirl might be "impossible". But while extremely difficult, training yourself to sleep in positions you previously felt uncomfortable are entirely possible, but it takes time. For instance, a pregnant woman who is a stomach sleeper will be forced to sleep on her side during the latter months of her pregnancy. But after giving birth, that same woman will likely revert to sleeping on her stomach. So even after two months of side-sleeping, she does not fully break her habit of stomach-sleeping. Similarly, even after two weeks of abstinence from manual stimulation, one does not unlearn. In other words, one's go to position for achieving orgasm will continue to be manual stimulation, and that is not what we want.
So let's say the fastest way for you to cum is the holy trinity of (1) lying on your back, (2) using oil, and (3) using your dominant hand. Let's refer to these as the "perfect conditions". But when does life present you with perfect conditions? By masturbating as described above (or whatever happens to be your go-to-method), you are training yourself to orgasm only when conditions are perfect and easy. It would be like a MLB player who only took batting practice with underhand softball pitches. Instead, we want to train ourselves to reliably and confidently orgasm even when conditions are imperfect (schwanz in her vagina with thick London condom).
One last thing about abstinence from manual stimulation. Those reboot guys can be quite strict. So if you are on Day 8, and you can't fall asleep, using your hand and giving yourself an erection is strictly forbidden, even if you deliberately stop before you orgasm. Watching porn is forbidden even if you do not touch yourself during that process. To put it simply, the only times your hand comes into contact with your schwanz is when you are (1) using toilet, (2) cleaning / grooming yourself in the wash basin, and (3) scratching.
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