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Kosher Kowboy
12-19-18, 02:47
So let's say the fastest way for you to cum is the holy trinity of (1) lying on your back, (2) using oil, and (3) using your dominant hand. Let's refer to these as the "perfect conditions".
we want to train ourselves to reliably and confidently orgasm even when conditions are imperfect (schwanz in her vagina with thick London condom).
To put it simply, the only times your hand comes into contact with your schwanz is when you are (1) using toilet, (2) cleaning / grooming yourself in the wash basin, and (3) scratching.Close but no cigar. The perfect conditions can usually (at least the first few times) be found in Dietzenbach, Secondly comes the 3 conditions you laid out.
The reason I am in the hunt for a condom only girl tonight is exactly as you say, wrap the Schwanz in a thick Amsterdam condom (I haven't been to London, the ones in Amsterdam were thicker than a Goodyear tire) ; weigh the bat down so when you show up at the plate maybe it is all a little easier.
As to my coming in contact with my schwanz usually I just unzip it so when I Codeword1 I really do not touch it and hopefully I will not be scratching it. So (1) and (3) are out for me.
However I have become a big fan of the (2) basin. A basin is defined as a bowl used for vashing, usually attached to a wall and connected to a water supply. I see nothing in the dictionary that a basin should be limited to vashing only our hands or brushing our teeth. In fact if I were in line to use the basin at Sharks I would actually prefer the guy in front of me to use the basin to vash his balls than to use the basin to brush his teeth than spit all kinds of crap and bacteria out of his mouth in to the basin perhaps leaving residue or as hundreds of guys do a day gargle that mouthwash and just spit like animals in the basin and not rinse.
I actually used the basin in the shower area of Dietzenbach last trip a few times. They have rain showers, you have to get wet and than I have to towel off, dry my hair etc. So I found it much easier to just vash them in the basin. In Mainhatten same thing, one of the restrooms has a lock on it and I figured before the session since we sometimes sit and sweat a tad why not vash them off for the girls and no need use tons of water running a full shower (I hear water in Germany is pricey) and I dried them off with paper towels right there so it is Eco friendly, no need to crowd the W / D up with all those towels.
Actually I will add (4) for when it is ok to touch ones Schwanz, that ironically being when grooming ones balls this time hopefully in the shower at home and not basins in Sharks. One has to actually hold their schwanz out of the way when using the razor!
Can't think of (5), but there is one way to cheat that system you talk about not getting off by not touching your schwanz for XX amount of days; a Fleshlight. Like Brandi Love? Remember her? She sends her best, even if she has been stored away for ages.
:D
ExpatLover
12-19-18, 12:07
KK, you are correct. I meant to write only oral and vaginal.
I am unsure why their recommended abstinence period 90-180 days, but I will offer a wild guess. I would liken achieving orgasm to falling asleep. At least three requirements need to be met to fall asleep (1) one has to be mentally free of stress, (2) one has to be in a somewhat "deprived" state, and (3) one's body must be in a position that is physically comfortable or natural to them. For the purposes of this rather far-fetched analogy, I will focus only on this third requirement..Sorry I don't understand this kind of challenge, keep your body fit, exercise, no overweight, no smoking, few alcohol and if you like the girl you will have no problem, if you don t like her just leave the room. To reduce the risk of Prostatitis cancer it is very important that we ejaculate at least every 2 days.
Sharks, Oase & Palace are all advertising New Years Eve parties, read it on fkk24 dot de. Chrome with Google Translate should be sufficient.Thanks for the link. I see now that Oase is charging $100 euros for the party with the usual Silvester party items. Same with Sharks, but I their entrance isn't posted. Anyway, thanks again.
The reason I am in the hunt for a condom only girl tonight is exactly as you say, wrap the Schwanz in a thick Amsterdam condom (I haven't been to London, the ones in Amsterdam were thicker than a Goodyear tire) ; weigh the bat down so when you show up at the plate maybe it is all a little easier.
:DLondon condom is a common brand of white thick condoms that many German FKKs hand over to the girls. Most likely McA referred to that, not something to do with condoms used in the city of London.
Kosher Kowboy
12-21-18, 00:18
London condom is a common brand of white thick condoms that many German FKKs hand over to the girls. Most likely McA referred to that, not something to do with condoms used in the city of London.Gotcha,
You are probably right he was referring to a brand, I though he was saying the London tutes use thick ones too. I guess he means those little rectangular silver packages that I hate the sight of. I wonder why all the ones I see in Europe are packaged in that rectangle shaped evil wrapper and ours in squares.
Like it matters, hate them all :D
Gotcha,
You are probably right he was referring to a brand, I though he was saying the London tutes use thick ones too. I guess he means those little rectangular silver packages that I hate the sight of. I wonder why all the ones I see in Europe are packaged in that rectangle shaped evil wrapper and ours in squares.
Like it matters, hate them all :DI also hate them all. Except for the best. The Invisible brand of condoms. 100% natural, zero artificial chemicals, zero chance of issues due to latex allergy, zero anxiety of breaking the condom while in use, matches every skin color, doesn't stop the flow of motion in the middle of a sensual session, helps the woman have pleasure along with the man, and above all supported by all religions. The way God intended.
Kosher Kowboy
12-21-18, 03:16
I also hate them all. Except for the best. The Invisible brand of condoms. 100% natural, zero artificial chemicals, zero chance of issues due to latex allergy, zero anxiety of breaking the condom while in use, matches every skin color, doesn't stop the flow of motion in the middle of a sensual session, helps the woman have pleasure along with the man, and above all supported by all religions. The way God intended.Speaking of condoms I just got home from testing the erectile system out with a fine lady visiting us from North Mexico City aka San Antonio. I needed Latina pussy. Big fat almost purplish lips to suck on, dark nipples, brown skin, natural dark (not jet black dye) hair, brown eyes and three fingers went right up her twat with tons of vast acreage of real estate to spare in all directions. Four and a thumb would have worked it's way in if I tried but it was just a QV so didn't try.
But the condom proved to be an evil foe (for popping not keeping it up) and couldn't finish so got sucked off and shot every drop in her mouth. Great service and attitude and when finished she vashed me off with a warm vashcloth in the basin :D
However I will not give up and will take on the condom again since she was fun, heading back to her hotel in an hour for round II, numero dos, otra vez and this time I am going to stick my fist up her kunt, the way God intended.
Smoke Light
12-21-18, 04:55
Gotcha,
You are probably right he was referring to a brand, I though he was saying the London tutes use thick ones too. I guess he means those little rectangular silver packages that I hate the sight of. I wonder why all the ones I see in Europe are packaged in that rectangle shaped evil wrapper and ours in squares.
Like it matters, hate them all.All sex shops in Germany sell London condoms. The markings on the packages are cryptic and visually look the same.
Not all London condoms are rectangle evil shaped. Attached is a picture of London Rot, also known as London Strawberry because they are strawberry scented. They are larger, softer, thinner, and feel a magnitude better than the evil shaped ones. The sex shops sell them in packs of 50 and 100, AKA prostitute packs. In October I paid 36 euro for the pack of 100. The Rots are primarily needed by the girls on periods (and me because of my somewhat grosser schwanz size LOL). Neutral skin-colored equivalents also exist, but the red ones are a safe bet. For unknown reasons the sales people in German sex shops are unable to speak English. Unless you are fluent in German expect zero help choosing the right size. Of course you can never return condoms back to the store, I believe it's against the law.
Since the tutes know London brand well, it's never a problem to use them in the room. I should look good wearing Rot at Samya Silvester party, right? .
Speaking of condoms I just got home from testing the erectile system out with a fine lady visiting us from North Mexico City aka San Antonio. I needed Latina pussy. Big fat almost purplish lips to suck on, dark nipples, brown skin, natural dark (not jet black dye) hair, brown eyes and three fingers went right up her twat with tons of vast acreage of real estate to spare in all directions. Four and a thumb would have worked it's way in if I tried but it was just a QV so didn't try.
But the condom proved to be an evil foe (for popping not keeping it up) and couldn't finish so got sucked off and shot every drop in her mouth. Great service and attitude and when finished she vashed me off with a warm vashcloth in the basin :D
However I will not give up and will take on the condom again since she was fun, heading back to her hotel in an hour for round II, numero dos, otra vez and this time I am going to stick my fist up her kunt, the way God intended.Talking about the evil foe to pop, have you tried the tutes in Austria yet? They are so much more practising Catholic down there.
Kosher Kowboy
12-21-18, 16:51
Talking about the evil foe to pop, have you tried the tutes in Austria yet? They are so much more practising Catholic down there.I haven't worked a trip to Vienna in yet but have all the links and yes, it appears the use of the Invisible Condom in those studios is widespread, my ' Sin Goma' buddy Triptogomont recently reviewed I think Studio Relaxe or La Chica and reported he doesn't think any of them use condoms. I have heard the same from a friend, same one who gave me the list to get started in the RLD.
I am assuming you are referring to the studio girls and indy girls on sites like ' Book Susi' where I see ' reinsprtizen' +20 often listed and not the FKK clubs there, I think there is one also called Golden Time in the city but I wasn't planning on hitting that place. Per Trip and another they tell me not to bother with Austria ' just for AO' as it is more per fuck, Vienna is pricier to eat, sleep travel etc. And I can find what I need in Frankfurt for eternity and I still have yet to explore all the options there. IMO for me commuting in, FFMain has everything I need for now. Only the Gypsies of South America in Colombia will be added anytime soon.
To follow up on last night I decided to pass for round two with the evil condom Latina sweetheart in the upscale 4 star hotel in the nicest part of town and instead drove to one of the shittiest neighborhoods in Austin on the ' wrong side of the tracks' to fuck the way God intended us too.
Not all London condoms are rectangle evil shaped. Attached is a picture of London Rot, also known as London Strawberry because they are strawberry scented. They are larger, softer, thinner, and feel a magnitude better than the evil shaped ones. I recognize those, the bowls of condoms in the zimmers at Day Care are all those evil shaped ones and I see them in Mainhatten girls purses too but in Mainhatten (where I can actually cum in condoms when not exhausted after several days) I see those red ones you posted a picture of. Your description of them is on the money, they feel better, they are roomier and do not choke me so if I use them to fuck or my own I bring in Mainhatten I can cum more often in them. I get the honor of being fitted with a red one, I will feel insulted and small now if they slap the rectangle on, and now I understand why they swap them in and out depending on the john, but I still prefer the ones I bring as they only grip the base of your cock to keep it on not the entire shaft is choked off. Some also have ' finger sized' ones that resemble finger covers I used to see working in the back of restaurants here in my past life in case you knifed or pricked your finger, burned it etc. Thank God they don't pull those out, I think I would feel insulted and truly inadequate
And it ( red condoms) also explains why the pussies in Mainhatten are so delicious and fruity tasting :D
Thanks for sharing.
ExpatLover
12-21-18, 18:36
Visited Golden Time Vienna last week, entry 90 euros crazy expensive, premises are good but not at Shark or Oase level, LU typical 90% Romanian, some top girls there but not really happy to work, sauna is good, food average. Seems the girls are making easy money with many guys from Russia spending 1000 of euros and more like 10 euros, never saw a club with so much alcohol even in early afternoon. Left without any session so can t say if up sell or not but I think for 50 euros you get very few things.
Kosher Kowboy
12-22-18, 17:41
Here we go again, another product on the market for our cocks. I actually just ordered a bottle of this stuff should be here next week to test out on someone (s). I am wondering if anyone here has used it. Several guys some who I personally know have used it and the ages of these guys runs the full spectrum from young guys to elderly guys and some claim it better than other ED drugs. I am hoping it might put away the need to keep loading up on Viagra products during the day since a pill taken at noon come several hours later will have worn off, if this stuff lasts all day might be worth a shot for the marathon days. It seems to provide by some that ' euphoric or high' feeling that the Phizer Viagra does that the generics do not and one reason I hate generics. This is a liquid compound, I am hoping it performs like my Viagra compound made here in the USA as opposed to my generics all from India and not always consistent in potency.
https://rasaresearch.com/tadalafil/
ExpatLover
12-22-18, 18:40
Here we go again, another product on the market for our cocks. I actually just ordered a bottle of this stuff should be here next week to test out on someone (s). I am wondering if anyone here has used it. Several guys some who I personally know have used it and the ages of these guys runs the full spectrum from young guys to elderly guys and some claim it better than other ED drugs. I am hoping it might put away the need to keep loading up on Viagra products during the day since a pill taken at noon come several hours later will have worn off, if this stuff lasts all day might be worth a shot for the marathon days. It seems to provide by some that ' euphoric or high' feeling that the Phizer Viagra does that the generics do not and one reason I hate generics. This is a liquid compound, I am hoping it performs like my Viagra compound made here in the USA as opposed to my generics all from India and not always consistent in potency.
https://rasaresearch.com/tadalafil/I will never understand the need to take Viagra to go fuck prostitutes if I can t better to do other things that to spend the hardly earned money with girls who just are willing to suck as much cash as possible from us.
Here we go again, another product on the market for our cocks. I actually just ordered a bottle of this stuff should be here next week to test out on someone (s). I am wondering if anyone here has used it. Several guys some who I personally know have used it and the ages of these guys runs the full spectrum from young guys to elderly guys and some claim it better than other ED drugs. I am hoping it might put away the need to keep loading up on Viagra products during the day since a pill taken at noon come several hours later will have worn off, if this stuff lasts all day might be worth a shot for the marathon days. It seems to provide by some that ' euphoric or high' feeling that the Phizer Viagra does that the generics do not and one reason I hate generics. This is a liquid compound, I am hoping it performs like my Viagra compound made here in the USA as opposed to my generics all from India and not always consistent in potency.
https://rasaresearch.com/tadalafil/KK,
Have you tried the tablet forms of Cialis or Tadalafil? I've found that a half tablet is good for day one, second half on day two and nothing required on day 3 and or 4. I know Takedown published instruction to get a prescription online about 6 weeks back.
Kosher Kowboy
12-23-18, 13:02
KK,
Have you tried the tablet forms of Cialis or Tadalafil? I've found that a half tablet is good for day one, second half on day two and nothing required on day 3 and or 4. I know Takedown published instruction to get a prescription online about 6 weeks back.I take 5 MG of the tablet daily, it is a generic but I also break off pieces of the 20 and 10 MG pills of the brand name Cialis my friends get Rx for and have used them to compare the 5 brand name to the 5 generic not much difference. Doesn't work for me. I have tried brand name Levitra and generic Levitra in the past (might try again) but did not work. Last time I tried it I bought the brand name in a pharmacy in San Jose CR and the crap was so ineffective I gave the balance away to a guy I met in the DR Hotel. Brand name Phizer works the best for me still, but for now I use the 3 forms of generic Viagra I have, actually two, as the compound (my 3rd type) is ' legit' and made in a TX pharmacy subject to FDA rules. They are the best deal out there of any, even better than Phizer at $3 per 60 MG (instant too) . I pay $90 for 30 of them! They start working in 15 minutes or less.
What we need is Phizer to come down and even though our Pharmacies (Walgreens, CVS, Wal-Mart) offer a generic that generic alone with coupons is still like $40+ a pill, if lucky you can get a ' minimum' amount of Phizer ones for that price but overall looking at $60+ for one pill!
Trump sure fixed our health care system, what a fucking bullshit artist!
On another note, I wonder how our brethren in Germany do getting Viagras, generics from India etc and / or how hard it is to get an Rx in Germany from a doctor to buy any of these products. In Spain it is OTC I am told and the Spanish generic works just as good as Phizer. I wonder if the Germans order this online stuff; my packages from India actually are shipped thru Germany for some reason have to clear customs there first than in Queens NY it goes straight to USPS distribution center and put on a truck. I have no clue why this customs is in Germany when it is headed to the USA. When two years ago I showed the compound to some Germans in Sharks and 1-2 of them tried it they and their friends bought the entire package I had off me, they loved the stuff.
All For Bb
12-23-18, 17:57
Sildenafil 20 MG order through blinkhelth.com cost $4. 69 for 50 pills. Very cheap and effective as Viagra.
I take 5 MG of the tablet daily, it is a generic but I also break off pieces of the 20 and 10 MG pills of the brand name Cialis my friends get Rx for and have used them to compare the 5 brand name to the 5 generic not much difference. Doesn't work for me. I have tried brand name Levitra and generic Levitra in the past (might try again) but did not work. Last time I tried it I bought the brand name in a pharmacy in San Jose CR and the crap was so ineffective I gave the balance away to a guy I met in the DR Hotel. Brand name Phizer works the best for me still, but for now I use the 3 forms of generic Viagra I have, actually two, as the compound (my 3rd type) is ' legit' and made in a TX pharmacy subject to FDA rules. They are the best deal out there of any, even better than Phizer at $3 per 60 MG (instant too) . I pay $90 for 30 of them! They start working in 15 minutes or less.
What we need is Phizer to come down and even though our Pharmacies (Walgreens, CVS, Wal-Mart) offer a generic that generic alone with coupons is still like $40+ a pill, if lucky you can get a ' minimum' amount of Phizer ones for that price but overall looking at $60+ for one pill!.
I take 5 MG of the tablet daily, it is a generic but I also break off pieces of the 20 and 10 MG pills of the brand name Cialis my friends get Rx for and have used them to compare the 5 brand name to the 5 generic not much difference. Doesn't work for me. I have tried brand name Levitra and generic Levitra in the past (might try again) but did not work. Last time I tried it I bought the brand name in a pharmacy in San Jose CR and the crap was so ineffective I gave the balance away to a guy I met in the DR Hotel. Brand name Phizer works the best for me still, but for now I use the 3 forms of generic Viagra I have, actually two, as the compound (my 3rd type) is ' legit' and made in a TX pharmacy subject to FDA rules. They are the best deal out there of any, even better than Phizer at $3 per 60 MG (instant too) . I pay $90 for 30 of them! They start working in 15 minutes or less.
What we need is Phizer to come down and even though our Pharmacies (Walgreens, CVS, Wal-Mart) offer a generic that generic alone with coupons is still like $40+ a pill, if lucky you can get a ' minimum' amount of Phizer ones for that price but overall looking at $60+ for one pill!.The 5 MG Cialas daily is what my Urologist is considering as treatment for enlarged prostate. I currently take the European equivalent to FlowMax, which has some benefits but more side effects. I have a Rx for Viagra and Cialis via the Eurologist. My GP wouldn't write it due to other health issues. A pack of 12 Tadalafil is something like €66 and my insurance pays me back about €59 so they are just over €. 50 each.
Some of my Belgian friends order Super Kamagra that they order out of India. They all love it.
ExpatLover
12-27-18, 14:32
The 21 of December the owner of FKK Paradise has been condemned for forcing women into prostitution, trafficking human. He was the guys who was during years promoting even on the TV clean working conditions in his clubs, the justice also stated clearly that the clubs were in fact controlled by the rocker bands like many of them in Germany, girls not working freely, club controlled it is another picture of the FKK scene, 90% of the girls are married or a pimp or a fix BF.
While talking recently to a lady I regularly see at Sharks about different men's sexual appetites she told me that some men like to pay double to the girl while another chap & her enjoy themselves as he watches / masterbates.
I argued she was totally making it up or it may have been a "one off" but she got a bit uptight with me and was adamant this occurred more than I thought.
In fact she said she would try to find a "watcher" for us next time just to prove she was correct. I still don't believe it!
Has anyone heard of this practice, it sounds utterly bizarre to me, one man having free fun while another pays for both, even accounting for the strange "goings on" at Clubs?
On another more common point for some reason unknown to me although I like being rimmed I've never asked for it despite numerous visits to Sharks and other Clubs.
I presume like most things some girls do & some don't but is this generally considered an "extra" like CIM & Anal or can it be negotiated in the normal fee?
I will be at Sharks next week just for a day for my first visit of the year so it could prove enlightening!
Kosher Kowboy
12-31-18, 23:37
The 5 MG Cialas daily is what my Urologist is considering as treatment for enlarged prostate.
Some of my Belgian friends order Super Kamagra that they order out of India. They all love it.
Sildenafil 20 MG order through blinkhelth.com cost $4. 69 for 50 pills. Very cheap and effective as Viagra.That is what I take the 5 MG. I order thru a company called PolarMeds in Canada as insurance here won't cover (system is broken!) and they require a US doctor Rx, comes from the Philippines for some reason made in India. I pay I think $160 for a three month supply. I could order the 10 and 20 ones on my own for cheaper but don't feel like breaking them up, uneven dosages etc.
I use the Kamagra pills from India, my Urologist actually gave me an Rx for Viagra thru the same PolarMeds from Ottawa but they themselves order Silagra or Kamagra from India so I told the doctor I can buy them myself and he said he was fine with it, same product.
I am not a fan of Cialis really, have tried it just doesn't do it for me but I might try the 20 MG next trip one day just see, give it another shot.
On another note I did sample this product, came last week.
https://rasaresearch.com/tadalafil/
Too hard to dose, too little or too much, when too much I thought it was so powerful it was made for horses to produce offspring to win the Triple Crown! It says' not for human consumption' on it too; I added all that up and tossed the bottle this morning. I tried three different dosages and consistency was not there; not going to fuck around with the shit.
Kosher Kowboy
12-31-18, 23:59
While talking recently to a lady I regularly see at Sharks about different men's sexual appetites she told me that some men like to pay double to the girl while another chap & her enjoy themselves as he watches / masterbates.
Has anyone heard of this practice, it sounds utterly bizarre to me, one man having free fun while another pays for both, even accounting for the strange "goings on" at Clubs?
This happened to me well similar at Mainhatten in the summer of 2017. One girl there hops back and forth between Palace (still does) and seems she only does longer appointments when I do see her the next thing I know she is gone for hours on end. She actually even before the new law was a 100 e a half hour (yes, half hour not a typo) so I never went with her despite her asking. Finally one day she told me she had a client on the way in and she told me he normally will pick out a guy in the club and she will go work him to see if he will fuck her in front of the guy even for a 30 minute and than she will just continue on with her extended appointment. She told me this time the guy wanted her to pick a guy she wanted to fuck and was turned on by so she chose me. However, I am not an idiot, that line was a bunch of bullshit to stroke my ego to get me to play along and I would have but that guy didn't offer to pay and no way I am paying 100 e for a half hour (back than) . She is now 150 e a HH minimum. I won't see her. However,
Watching their girl get fucked is not at all out of the ordinary nor is the reverse. Several girls here get hired by couples as the wife wants to watch her husband fuck another girl (or join in). Several men on swinger sites are very in to having guys come over, fuck their wives and kick them out. I was on those sites once and nonstop ads were posted for ' fuck my wife' but unfortunately 4 out of 5 times I was solicited I would get hired and fired sometimes within minutes sometimes when on the way only to see the next day they validated an African-American male; that was what most guys wanted to see and for that matter the women too. That being said if you are an African American male reading this and desire some free smoking hot pussy just join a swinger site, instead of paying for it you can pay $50 a month and fuck nonstop. AO as well. Swingers use condoms about as much as the RTC club girls do! If you are African American and have a huge cock consider yourself blessed and able to fuck 365/24/7 free of charge!
So what this Sharks girl is telling you is actually very common in real world relationships and in P6. At Day Care an old perverted man wanted to watch me do a now ' retired' Gypsy and as soon as I emptied my tank in her she sat on his face the guy didn't miss a drop. Likewise those swinger husbands did the same, guy cums in his wife they lick it out. On German boards guys ask quite often at least in the Dietz treads to meet up with other guys as they want to watch their Gypsy of choice get creampied before they stick it in.
I would almost guarantee this Shark (sounds adventurous, might be a Shark of interest she thinks outside the box a tad if you care to share a name) has had and heard of much kinkier requests than what she told you.
This happened to me well similar at Mainhatten in the summer of 2017. One girl there hops back and forth between Palace (still does) and seems she only does longer appointments when I do see her the next thing I know she is gone for hours on end. She actually even before the new law was a 100 e a half hour (yes, half hour not a typo) so I never went with her despite her asking. Finally one day she told me she had a client on the way in and she told me he normally will pick out a guy in the club and she will go work him to see if he will fuck her in front of the guy even for a 30 minute and than she will just continue on with her extended appointment. She told me this time the guy wanted her to pick a guy she wanted to fuck and was turned on by so she chose me. However, I am not an idiot, that line was a bunch of bullshit to stroke my ego to get me to play along and I would have but that guy didn't offer to pay and no way I am paying 100 e for a half hour (back than) . She is now 150 e a HH minimum..Thanks for the info, interesting, yes I know there's some crazy things that go on in these Clubs but I was very surprised to say the least about her story. I do tend to take most things said in these Clubs with "a pinch of salt".
Her comment that "we will look next time to get someone to do this" after I ridiculed her was followed by her with "why not?" when I said who the hell would want to see & pay for me to have sex?
(I'm just a regular normal European white guy with my only attribute being I have plenty of stamina even though I'm getting on LOL!
I will be at Sharks next Friday & she has already confirmed she will be there so it will be interesting to see what happens!
Bizarrely although we've met several times I'm not sure of her name as I've never seen her mentioned in any posts on any forums so I think I initially misunderstood her when she gave her name when we first met. She's obviously Romanian & often sits near the stairs to the jacuzzis.
This happened to me well similar at Mainhatten in the summer of 2017. One girl there hops back and forth between Palace (still does) and seems she only does longer appointments when I do see her the next thing I know she is gone for hours on end. She actually even before the new law was a 100 e a half hour (yes, half hour not a typo) so I never went with her despite her asking. Finally one day she told me she had a client on the way in and she told me he normally will pick out a guy in the club and she will go work him to see if he will fuck her in front of the guy even for a 30 minute and than she will just continue on with her extended appointment. She told me this time the guy wanted her to pick a guy she wanted to fuck and was turned on by so she chose me. However, I am not an idiot, that line was a bunch of bullshit to stroke my ego to get me to play along and I would have but that guy didn't offer to pay and no way I am paying 100 e for a half hour (back than) . She is now 150 e a HH minimum. I won't see her. However,
Watching their girl get fucked is not at all out of the ordinary nor is the reverse. Several girls here get hired by couples as the wife wants to watch her husband fuck another girl (or join in). Several men on swinger sites are very in to having guys come over, fuck their wives and kick them out. I was on those sites once and nonstop ads were posted for ' fuck my wife' but unfortunately 4 out of 5 times I was solicited I would get hired and fired sometimes within minutes sometimes when on the way only to see the next day they validated an African-American male; that was what most guys wanted to see and for that matter the women too. That being said if you are an African American male reading this and desire some free smoking hot pussy just join a swinger site, instead of paying for it you can pay $50 a month and fuck nonstop. AO as well. Swingers use condoms about as much as the RTC club girls do! If you are African American and have a huge cock consider yourself blessed and able to fuck 365/24/7 free of charge!Thanks for the info, interesting, yes I know there's some crazy things that go on in these Clubs but I was very surprised to say the least about her story. I do tend to take most things said in these Clubs with "a pinch of salt".
Her comment that "we will look next time to get someone to do this" after I ridiculed her was followed by her with "why not?" when I said who the hell would want to see & pay for me to have sex?
(I'm just a regular normal European white guy with my only attribute being I have plenty of stamina even though I'm getting on LOL!
I will be at Sharks next Friday & she has already confirmed she will be there so it will be interesting to see what happens!
Bizarrely although we've met several times I'm not sure of her name as I've never seen her mentioned in any posts on any forums so I think I initially misunderstood her when she gave her name when we first met. She's obviously Romanian & often sits near the stairs to the jacuzzis.
5 MG.My urologist says that the 5 MG can be an adequate treatment for assistance with urination in cases of enlarged prostate and can provide assistance with ED while giving me the benefit of spontaneity with sex, with minimal side effects like headaches and dizziness. The one caution is that the 5 MG daily can sometimes lose its effectiveness as an ED treatment after prolonged use. Perhaps try a 10 MG or half a 20 MG combined with your daily 5 MG for a total of 15 MG on your next trip.
What I like about Cialis or Tadalafil is that I don't get the ever present erection even when I'm not stimulated like I do with Viagra. It also has a longer period of be ed benefit, three to four days per 20 MG. This gives me 2-3 sessions per day but as a regular in the clubs I'm not trying to get 5-6 sessions per day in 5 days to last me three months.
Kosher Kowboy
01-02-19, 03:58
. Perhaps try a 10 MG or half a 20 MG combined with your daily 5 MG for a total of 15 MG on your next trip.
What I like about Cialis or Tadalafil is that I don't get the ever present erection even when I'm not stimulated like I do with Viagra. It also has a longer period of be ed benefit, three to four days per 20 MG. This gives me 2-3 sessions per day but as a regular in the clubs I'm not trying to get 5-6 sessions per day in 5 days to last me three months.I will toy with more Cialis next trip, the way I read your post one 20 MG will last you 2-3 sessions per day for up to 3 or 4 days? What is the benefit of taking 20 MG for four days as opposed to 10 MG every two days? I need to fuck 2-3 times a day but I am sort of at the point I may just do two a day (or any combo of 1,2,3 one day and alternate) as I have enough time booked there over the first 6 months and some trips 7-10 days and I spaced them out so I am never in the 50 Divided States of America for any more than 20 days maximum, 8 days minimum most gaps about 2 and a half weeks which is bearable so the pressure on me to cum 2-4 times a day is much less. In turn much less Viagra needed and I will give Cialis a try next time. If it doesn't work I pay the Gypsy her 50 e, take a Viagra and sit on a couch and grab a filthy but lovable Gypsy off her couch once ready. 50 e gamble.
Neurosynth
01-06-19, 23:48
Here is what WebMD says:
"Viagra and Levitra take about 30 minutes to work, and the effects last for about 4 hours after you take the pill.
You should take Cialis at least 2 hours before you plan to have sex. The effects may last for up to 36 hours after you take it. ".
The half-life of Viagra is only about 4 hours, but for Cialis it's 17.5 hours. The typical dosage for daily use Cialis is 5 MG. I've found taking 10 MG every other day works fine too. I get 20 MG pills and split them.
So if you take 20 MG and expect it to last 4 days, then at the end of the cycle it will have halved 5+ times, for an effective strength of less than 0.6 at the end.
If you take 10 MG and expect it to last 2 days, then at the endow the cycle it will halved less than 3 times, for an effective strength of more than 1.25 .
So if you take 10 MG every 2 days rather than 20 MG every 4 days, it will be stronger when it's time to dose again doing the former rather than the latter.
From that point of view the daily 5 mg dose might be the best as the "ripple" of the levels in your system will be minimized, with an effective strength of 2 mg or so at the weakest.
I will toy with more Cialis next trip, the way I read your post one 20 MG will last you 2-3 sessions per day for up to 3 or 4 days? What is the benefit of taking 20 MG for four days as opposed to 10 MG every two days? I need to fuck 2-3 times a day but I am sort of at the point I may just do two a day (or any combo of 1,2,3 one day and alternate) as I have enough time booked there over the first 6 months and some trips 7-10 days and I spaced them out so I am never in the 50 Divided States of America for any more than 20 days maximum, 8 days minimum most gaps about 2 and a half weeks which is bearable so the pressure on me to cum 2-4 times a day is much less. In turn much less Viagra needed and I will give Cialis a try next time. If it doesn't work I pay the Gypsy her 50 e, take a Viagra and sit on a couch and grab a filthy but lovable Gypsy off her couch once ready. 50 e gamble.I find that 10 MG is enough for me to manage the first day. With the right lady I can even manage a first or possibly second session without, but then I'm done for a couple days without a booster.
I take 10 MG on day one, which technically is still able to give me the required boost for a session the second day. I start day two with 10 MG. That helps me through 2-3 sessions, 4 if I keep them short, on day two. On day three there is enough residual I can manage 3 sessions. On a recent trip I had a spontaneous reaction to an attractive lady in the gas station. Unfortunately I had to return home without a final session, but I could have.
I feel that by splitting yo 2 x 10 MG I limit some of the side effects like headaches and dizziness. These are just my personal experiences and beliefs.
ExpatLover
01-07-19, 04:52
Here is what WebMD says:
"Viagra and Levitra take about 30 minutes to work, and the effects last for about 4 hours after you take the pill.
You should take Cialis at least 2 hours before you plan to have sex. The effects may last for up to 36 hours after you take it. ".
The half-life of Viagra is only about 4 hours, but for Cialis it's 17.5 hours. The typical dosage for daily use Cialis is 5 MG. I've found taking 10 MG every other day works fine too. I get 20 MG pills and split them.
So if you take 20 MG and expect it to last 4 days, then at the end of the cycle it will have halved 5+ times, for an effective strength of less than 0.6 at the end.
If you take 10 MG and expect it to last 2 days, then at the endow the cycle it will halved less than 3 times, for an effective strength of more than 1.25 .
So if you take 10 MG every 2 days rather than 20 MG every 4 days, it will be stronger when it's time to dose again doing the former rather than the latter.
From that point of view the daily 5 mg dose might be the best as the "ripple" of the levels in your system will be minimized, with an effective strength of 2 mg or so at the weakest.And what about taking nothing and doing other interesting things like biking, skiing. And the day your body will tell you that you are ready to go visit a club. Except you have some severe health issues better to wait that your libido makes the job sex is in the head.
Kosher Kowboy
01-07-19, 17:22
I find that 10 MG is enough for me to manage the first day. With the right lady I can even manage a first or possibly second session without, but then I'm done for a couple days without a booster.
I take 10 MG on day one, which technically is still able to give me the required boost for a session the second day. I start day two with 10 MG. That helps me through 2-3 sessions, 4 if I keep them short, on day two. On day three there is enough residual I can manage 3 sessions. On a recent trip I had a spontaneous reaction to an attractive lady in the gas station. Unfortunately I had to return home without a final session, but I could have.
I feel that by splitting yo 2 x 10 MG I limit some of the side effects like headaches and dizziness. These are just my personal experiences and beliefs.I just took (2) of my 5 MG ( sample run on 10 mg today) and ordered a bunch more at 40 percent the cost of the ones that come from Canada, same Indian manufacturer. Now I have too many Kamagara Viagra 100 MG but dumping them (16 pills at a time) on 3 regulars here who have clients (high rollers) who need Viagras so they fuck me for 25 of them, at 1. 20 a pill is costing me 30 US $ for a QV :D And they have no idea how much it costs and truth be told probably do not care as I am getting sex for 70 less than market but without them giving up the pussy cheap their $300-$600 guys will not be able to perform and won't see them; having to fuck me ( AO of course) is their insurance policy to get the high rolling guys
I think the post by Neurosynth from the webMD site and your formula are the way to go with each of us adjusting the dosages with 5, 10 and 20 MG pills (or breaking them) to time and manage the number of sessions in day or multiple days that works for us.
Also, I notice Viagras (Kamagras) are now available in chew form which means in to the bloodstream it goes so probably acts within 20-30 minutes not the 30-60 minutes thru the digestive tract likewise I see there is now Chewable and gel forms of Cialis which will give it too the fast acting effects which IMHO might be a good way to go if you can keep your baseline at 7-12 MG say and take a 5 MG chewable (instantly works) right when you close the deal on the floor (excuse yourself to vash up and use mouthvash maybe even vash your balls in the basin) by the time you than get to the room and actually get started (DATY will allow and extra 5-10 for it to kick in) than when the BJ and sex starts the 5 MG turbo boost shall be in full effect.
Trail and error but I think the need to overdose on Viagra might have been overcome as too much is not recommended yet a 20 MG Cialis is normal for many so keeping a baseline under that should stay within ' doctor orders' and work just great for marathons; I do not think Viagra is good for a marathon might suit a local German or guy living in Germany who just does 1 girl a day or even 2 spread out over a few hours.
So thanks to all the guys who contributed their experiences with the various drugs for ED and boosting our systems but I still think the biggest hurdle is mental and that is probably half the battle.
IMHO.
CoolManFever84
01-16-19, 03:45
What are you top 2 Top 2 FKK to visit in Cologne and Dusseldorf area? I heard Samya is popular but not true FKK since not all girls are nude. I wonder if any FKK clubs in Cologne and Dusseldorf area are better than FKK Oase and Shark? Thanks.
What are you top 2 Top 2 FKK to visit in Cologne and Dusseldorf area? I heard Samya is popular but not true FKK since not all girls are nude. I wonder if any FKK clubs in Cologne and Dusseldorf area are better than FKK Oase and Shark? Thanks.Living Room (looks and service, two shift club, good food, free beer, great reception) and Villa Venus (price, service quality, and if you are very lucky and like gypsy appearances, looks, in the one shift lineup of say 12, no food, no facilities apart from shower/toilets) at the moment. But the answer is really no help: every member will have a different answer for you and some will be horrified I mention VV. I would not repeat my visits to Acapulco, Dolce Vita, Oceans or Magnum, but that is just my personal reaction.
What are your criteria?. Facilities, size of lineup, looks of girls, service levels, price, what type of service do you want, do you want a party night club, or a quiet relax)? And so on.
Loads of clubs are not on this forum's radar. A visit to one of them might be a surprise, good or bad.
NRW clubs generally are not nude. Only the red carpet clubs like VV. Babylon south west of Koln, and Fincs, south east of Koln, are the nearest naked proper FKK
What are you top 2 Top 2 FKK to visit in Cologne and Dusseldorf area? I heard Samya is popular but not true FKK since not all girls are nude. I wonder if any FKK clubs in Cologne and Dusseldorf area are better than FKK Oase and Shark? Thanks.Except Bab Elsdorf and Bernds, other clubs in NRW are not FKK, girls are not full naked, but most are not anymore full naked at Sharks = towell or fishnet land, nor Oase.
For looks in Germany at the moment, Samya when casting will be full. For level in bed, on average GT. For club services: GT.
What are you top 2 Top 2 FKK to visit in Cologne and Dusseldorf area? I heard Samya is popular but not true FKK since not all girls are nude. I wonder if any FKK clubs in Cologne and Dusseldorf area are better than FKK Oase and Shark? Thanks.My recommendations are GT and Acapulco. They may or may not be to your liking as there are very different than Sharks and Oase and both are far from the city centers. I'll explain at the end after a brief digression.
If you take the advice that Samya has the best casting in Germany, you will sorely be disappointed. That assertion should make people question how seriously you can take the claim from similar posters that Globe is leaps and bounds greater than any German club. Goes to say, you're going to get many numerous subjective recommendations for the "best club. " Best approach is to be more specific about your question; what type of girls are your preference? What's most important to you in picking a club?
To say if NRW clubs are better than Sharks or Oceans, you would have to prioritize less stress in picking out a good service room but sacrifice number of hot girls to choose from. I think casual mongers making the transition from Sharks to NrW clubs will have a hard time just because the clubs have smaller line ups and therefore less top optics. Enough, but less nonetheless.
Samya will provide you with the most girls in all Cologne clubs. Optics is probably the best of the three clubs closest to Cologne center, others being Mondial and Babylon. Probably better service at Babylon and cheaper rates at Mondial.
Dusseldorf clubs are a little disappointing, each in their own way. Living Room optics are average but girls provide good service. Oceans is scammer city with a chance of finding some nice optics when girls are just trying out the club. Dolce Vita apparently lacks in both optical quality and number of girls.
You may find better luck at clubs over 30-45 minutes outside of city centers, but also all with their faults. Goldentime can nearly guarantee good service from girls and staff with some decent optics but if you are looking for 18-23 year old girls, your options are limited there. Cami, Laura, and Florentina are the 3 young hot girls that I would recommend. Kate is a couple years older but is also a good to great provider. Downside of GT is the early closing time, male to female ratios, and often long wait times for girls and rooms.
Acapulco gives you a wide range of optics with a wide range of services; but with some luck and good interviewing, you can find exactly what your looking for. I recommend Emily, Lily, Hannah, and Alicia for optics and service. Your style will determine which of those girls you enjoy depending if you prefer girlfriend experience or porn star experience. Downside of Acapulco is the poor facilities and stale atmosphere.
Living Room (looks and service, two shift club, good food, free beer, great reception) and Villa Venus (price, service quality, and if you are very lucky and like gypsy appearances, looks, in the one shift lineup of say 12, no food, no facilities apart from shower/toilets) at the moment. But the answer is really no help: every member will have a different answer for you and some will be horrified I mention VV. I would not repeat my visits to Acapulco, Dolce Vita, Oceans or Magnum, but that is just my personal reaction.
What are your criteria?. Facilities, size of lineup, looks of girls, service levels, price, what type of service do you want, do you want a party night club, or a quiet relax)? And so on.
Loads of clubs are not on this forum's radar. A visit to one of them might be a surprise, good or bad.
NRW clubs generally are not nude. Only the red carpet clubs like VV. Babylon south west of Koln, and Fincs, south east of Koln, are the nearest naked proper FKKI don't necessarily agree with your club choices, but overall, this the best answer of any that I've seen to the thousands of similar questions. The only thing I would add is, pick two or three clubs and hit them. You will most likely enjoy it enough to make a return trip. On the return trip, select different clubs to try. If you can send PMs, pick some senior members who seem wise and contact them directly for advice.
Living Room (looks and service, two shift club, good food, free beer, great reception) and Villa Venus (price, service quality, and if you are very lucky and like gypsy appearances, looks, in the one shift lineup of say 12, no food, no facilities apart from shower/toilets) at the moment. But the answer is really no help: every member will have a different answer for you and some will be horrified I mention VV. I would not repeat my visits to Acapulco, Dolce Vita, Oceans or Magnum, but that is just my personal reaction.
What are your criteria?. Facilities, size of lineup, looks of girls, service levels, price, what type of service do you want, do you want a party night club, or a quiet relax)? And so on.
Loads of clubs are not on this forum's radar. A visit to one of them might be a surprise, good or bad.
NRW clubs generally are not nude. Only the red carpet clubs like VV. Babylon south west of Koln, and Fincs, south east of Koln, are the nearest naked proper FKKYou mean Villa Venus, the small AO club? Then, not for looks level.
Dolce Vita apparently lacks in both optical quality and number of girls.Nothing wrong with the optics at DV. Higher average than at Sharks. On par with Oase, Aca, Oceans for average optics. But less girls as you say.
Nothing wrong with the optics at DV. Higher average than at Sharks. On par with Oase, Aca, Oceans for average optics. But less girls as you say.Doesn't seem to be the same assessment from people with tastes similar to mine. This time I've ever heard anything positive whatsoever about this place.
Nothing wrong with the optics at DV. Higher average than at Sharks. On par with Oase, Aca, Oceans for average optics. But less girls as you say.Well, I'll tell ya one thing wrong with DV optics. There are none as they are now closed per Optimist's reporting. One step closer to your dream of consolidating the clubs in Germany!
Or should it be Vitae.
Anyway, the one which is closed is DV Raubach, the tiny club.
Dolce Vita Dusseldorf remains open.
You mean Villa Venus, the small AO club? Then, not for looks level.I agree, although there are very often one or two good looking girls. But with small LU (maybe 10) it is very easy to hit a bad time LU wise.
CoolManFever asks a hard to answer question, gets answers, and no response from him. I guess maybe he is in Intensive Care: if so, get well soon.
As for club choice in Kln / Dusseldorf area. I would now say Finca and Babylon, (no longer LR and VV) both under an hour from Köln by car. As Sirioja says, true FKK. Ask me one question and get two different answers LOL.
CoolManFever asks a hard to answer question, gets answers, and no response from him. I guess maybe he is in Intensive Care: if so, get well soon.
As for club choice in Kln / Dusseldorf area. I would now say Finca and Babylon, (no longer LR and VV) both under an hour from Kln by car. As Sirioja says, true FKK. Ask me one question and get two different answers LOL.Regarding Babylon, are girls like Lucy and Claudia still there?
Regarding Babylon, are girls like Lucy and Claudia still there?I didn't see them, Claudia since a long time, never saw Lucifer.
At Bab, boss plays ski for me when I ask. Good foods. Few pretty girls. Small German team, Tamara. De for petite blonde, I don t know her level, never tried. Dolli. Ro is much clever than average WGs level. Amira ex Tatiana LR who doesn't forget the guy who goes only with 1 girl, she saw so often when she was at LR.
Any chance someone could sneak a spy camera disguised as a watch or a lighter into the FKK. My dream is to go an FKK and do some public action but worried about getting videotaped. Do they check watches and items for cameras, since these things are very easy to get nowadays.
CaneUppHosAss
02-05-19, 16:40
Any chance someone could sneak a spy camera disguised as a watch or a lighter into the FKK. My dream is to go an FKK and do some public action but worried about getting videotaped. Do they check watches and items for cameras, since these things are very easy to get nowadays.Hello Sir,
It is possible, anything is possible depending on your ingenuity and how expensive and small is your device. However, please be mindful that if you are caught in your act by a girl, or a male guest or a club worker then the club management is likely to react and not in a pleasant way to put it mildly.
Is it worth the loss of a limb to pursue it?
Hello Sir,
It is possible, anything is possible depending on your ingenuity and how expensive and small is your device. However, please be mindful that if you are caught in your act by a girl, or a male guest or a club worker then the club management is likely to react and not in a pleasant way to put it mildly.
Is it worth the loss of a limb to pursue it?I think he is worried about someone tapong him, not doing the taping himself.
Also I am a total noobie, but hopefully will be going to Germany soon for business and want to explore an FKK while I am there. Are Bernds and Babylon Eldorf the only places the guys can be fully nude as well? I am particularly wanting to be able to lounge etc in the nude without a towel.
I was in Frankfurt a couple weeks ago and went to Oase. First FKK experience. I loved it but had one question. The one thing that really bothered me was how pushy the girls were. I understand and even don't mind being approached and asked but what was really annoying was after saying no, they continued persistence. I had a Italian girl and a Spanish girl literally trying for 10-15 minutes hanging all over me after I told them repeatedly no I'm not ready. I don't know if I was just being too nice? How do you guys say no? I don't want to be rude but some of the girls I'm not interested in. What would be really nice is if you could see pictures beforehand and be able to schedule a time if that person is free to chat and then go to the room if you hit it off. I almost felt like I couldn't go into the bar area and just look. The one time I did I seriously had one girl after another coming up to me.
Thanks for the info!
ExpatLover
02-08-19, 22:21
I think he is worried about someone tapong him, not doing the taping himself.
Also I am a total noobie, but hopefully will be going to Germany soon for business and want to explore an FKK while I am there. Are Bernds and Babylon Eldorf the only places the guys can be fully nude as well? I am particularly wanting to be able to lounge etc in the nude without a towel.For some guys there is a long way to go.
Toosmallhands
02-09-19, 07:08
I was in Frankfurt a couple weeks ago and went to Oase.Any signs of shutdown? Did anyone notice Google Maps displays this location as 'permanently closed'.
Solid State
02-09-19, 13:46
I was in Frankfurt a couple weeks ago and went to Oase. First FKK experience. I loved it but had one question. The one thing that really bothered me was how pushy the girls were. I understand and even don't mind being approached and asked but what was really annoying was after saying no, they continued persistence. I had a Italian girl and a Spanish girl literally trying for 10-15 minutes hanging all over me after I told them repeatedly no I'm not ready. I don't know if I was just being too nice? How do you guys say no? I don't want to be rude but some of the girls I'm not interested in. What would be really nice is if you could see pictures beforehand and be able to schedule a time if that person is free to chat and then go to the room if you hit it off. I almost felt like I couldn't go into the bar area and just look. The one time I did I seriously had one girl after another coming up to me.
Thanks for the info!Tell them you want 30 minutes full service, everything included for 50 Euros and they soon disappear.
I was in Frankfurt a couple weeks ago and went to Oase. First FKK experience. I loved it but had one question. The one thing that really bothered me was how pushy the girls were. I understand and even don't mind being approached and asked but what was really annoying was after saying no, they continued persistence. I had a Italian girl and a Spanish girl literally trying for 10-15 minutes hanging all over me after I told them repeatedly no I'm not ready. I don't know if I was just being too nice? How do you guys say no? I don't want to be rude but some of the girls I'm not interested in. What would be really nice is if you could see pictures beforehand and be able to schedule a time if that person is free to chat and then go to the room if you hit it off. I almost felt like I couldn't go into the bar area and just look. The one time I did I seriously had one girl after another coming up to me.
Thanks for the info!Best answer: I have no more money.
Hudson. It really is just a case of saying no. Saying no is not rude. If a car salesman offers you a deal you don't want, you would say no, or discuss it further to change the deal. Same with girls. If you really are sure you will never want to go with a particular girl it is polite to make it very clear and to say no.
In fact, one of the better ways to assess a girl is to refuse to agree to go to a room immediately but to continue chatting for a few minutes. If the girl gets irritated then you did right to refuse. If she reacts nicely the chances are you will decide she is worth trying.
Some girls persist because they know it can work with guys who cannot say no firmly.
CoolManFever84
02-10-19, 16:06
CoolManFever asks a hard to answer question, gets answers, and no response from him. I guess maybe he is in Intensive Care: if so, get well soon.
As for club choice in Kln / Dusseldorf area. I would now say Finca and Babylon, (no longer LR and VV) both under an hour from Kln by car. As Sirioja says, true FKK. Ask me one question and get two different answers LOL.I am not in intensive care.
I will be visiting Germany in one month and give you guys report in a month. But this is my trip plan:
Day1 FKK oase.
Day2 FKK shark.
Day 3 FKK Living room sauna.
Day 4 FKK Samya.
Day 5 FKK Oase or shark depending on which one is best.
I am not in intensive care.
I will be visiting Germany in one month and give you guys report in a month. But this is my trip plan:
Day1 FKK oase.
Day2 FKK shark.
Day 3 FKK Living room sauna.
Day 4 FKK Samya.
Day 5 FKK Oase or shark depending on which one is best.Enjoy your trip.
Tell them you want 30 minutes full service, everything included for 50 Euros and they soon disappear.In some clubs of course this level of service is still normal, even without asking (but as you say, in many, such a question gets rid of girls quickly)
I have five smaller clubs or so I could put on this list. Does anybody else have clubs which could go on such a list?
BigBuddy69
02-13-19, 17:32
I have everything including ball licking in aca and Aca gold for 40 e /30 min with two German women.
I had a good service too for 40 euros in h7 (good kissing but without the tongue).
I have perfect service for 50 euros in LR.
Any signs of shutdown? Did anyone notice Google Maps displays this location as 'permanently closed'.Indeed we did notice. On one day, the search on google maps didn't even bring up the pin. So I had to move a new pin there myself to ease out the driving there (even if I kinda know the route from the highway now without the maps).
But thinking about it in retrospect now, maybe the reason for the permanently closed marker is tons of customers feeling scammed due to intense high upselling.
As it is now: Do not visit Oase!
Madness upsell! I felt it was bad early last year. Now it is twice as bad.
I did one day there and the lineup is really good in optics. But it is all on paper when you loose 5 minutes plus plus in every room due to constant upselling even if you have already agreed on everything before going to the room. Right now it feels like an eastern European strip club. All chaos and scam. It is sad, because there are some really good girls there too, but the good ones are a vast minority now when it comes to pricing. So unless you want to pay more than at Globe, go somewhere else.
Polyamorist
02-13-19, 20:33
Best answer: I have no more money."Sorry but I don't believe in sex outside of marriage. ".
If they're hassling you, Hudson, feel free to make fun of them. If you don't want to do that, listen to someone mature like Mr Optimist. His advice is basic but bears repeating every week or even every day.
The best sessions I've had are with those girls who didn't ask to go to a room at all, but just wanted to keep on talking, so I had to be the one to suggest we get more intimate. It is also a good idea for all involved to test compatibility with some smooching first. Unfortunately public DFK is getting rarer in FKKs -- one of the reasons I prefer Brazil these days.
Assalaamu Alaykum.
"Sorry but I don't believe in sex outside of marriage. ".
If they're hassling you, Hudson, feel free to make fun of them.In some clubs like LR, I'm known to go only with 1 girl, I remember my ex fav saying on end of October, now he will go only with X, and when I was having diner, some girls saying: he goes only with X, then no need to claim: no more money, only 1 really not attractive for me came to shake her big ass under my nose, making my eyes crying about vulgarity. How can we pay for this? Not even if she paid me 100 for 30 mn like at Oase.
Awesome. Thanks everyone for your responses! I'm naturally a nice guy so its always hard for me to say no, but I'm sure with experience it will get easier! I'll def keep all these in mind. Hopefully I can get over more and get some more practice!
Member #4636
02-13-19, 21:28
I was in Frankfurt a couple weeks ago and went to Oase. First FKK experience. I loved it but had one question. The one thing that really bothered me was how pushy the girls were. I understand and even don't mind being approached and asked but what was really annoying was after saying no, they continued persistence. I had a Italian girl and a Spanish girl literally trying for 10-15 minutes hanging all over me after I told them repeatedly no I'm not ready. I don't know if I was just being too nice? How do you guys say no? I don't want to be rude but some of the girls I'm not interested in. What would be really nice is if you could see pictures beforehand and be able to schedule a time if that person is free to chat and then go to the room if you hit it off. I almost felt like I couldn't go into the bar area and just look. The one time I did I seriously had one girl after another coming up to me.
Thanks for the info!I just tell them they are not my type. If I like a girl I prefer to approach her, old fashioned way.
Triptogamont
02-13-19, 23:44
"Sorry but I don't believe in sex outside of marriage. ".
If they're hassling you, Hudson, feel free to make fun of them. If you don't want to do that, listen to someone mature like Mr Optimist. His advice is basic but bears repeating every week or even every day.
The best sessions I've had are with those girls who didn't ask to go to a room at all, but just wanted to keep on talking, so I had to be the one to suggest we get more intimate. It is also a good idea for all involved to test compatibility with some smooching first. Unfortunately public DFK is getting rarer in FKKs -- one of the reasons I prefer Brazil these days.
Assalaamu Alaykum.There's a video out there somewhere where the guy says he's gay to get a girl to stop bothering him.
Polyamorist
02-14-19, 02:05
no more money, only 1 really not attractive for me came to shake her big ass under my nose, making my eyes crying about vulgarity. Ya lahwy, Sir Ioja, don't cry on her ass or she'll charge you for the extra.
Ya lahwy, Sir Ioja, don't cry on her ass or she'll charge you for the extra.No risk, when most of girls say I fuck more than 20's guys, but 0 drug, 0 smoking, 0 alcohol, only sports in high mountains to improve blood, but only a spaghetti when I see her. Vulgarity make me becoming a spaghetti when girls who motivate my desire usually say to feel inside, usually having to be careful not to hurt them.
No risk, when most of girls say I fuck more than 20's guys, but 0 drug, 0 smoking, 0 alcohol, only sports in high mountains to improve blood, but only a spaghetti when I see her. Vulgarity make me becoming a spaghetti when girls who motivate my desire usually say to feel inside, usually having to be careful not to hurt them.Even though your taste in girls seems a bit off to me sometimes, I have to agree with your routine on performing in bed. Up and down mountains is the best way to improve blood flow in the thighs. Walking / running stairs is probably even better than cycling though. And no smoke / alcohol too.
Just returned from a 2 week trip with 8 days in clubs. 11 club visits, 23 rooms, with 19 different girls. Sharks, GT, and Samya all earned repeat visits although Samya only because I arranged to meet my extra services girl. Went with 12 girls for the first time and 7 known commodities. 10 rooms were 50 euro rooms, 8 were 100 euro for 1 hour, one 200 euro threesome, one room was 100 e for 45 minutes, a 1. 5 HR room, and then 3 pancake sessions with my extra services girl.
A 3 day break in Portugal and another 2 day break in Dusseldorf / Netherlands helped to keep the batteries charged. Those breaks with some abstinence from the cannabis kept the manhood going so rooms were more successful than in past visits, only missed 2 pops in 23 rooms. I only got flashed for speeding once so lucky me, I did not have to do a Nelson Mendela impersonation in Swiss jail. Viva la resistance!
Oase had the best optics but the upselling has been well documented. With so many land mines but also so many hot girls, my apprehension to room with new girls leaves me with so many high optic girls there to try. Despite the prevalent upsell in the club, long time girls like Carla and Adele are worth repeat visits. They even remembered the name of my dog!
Sharks was close behind Oase in optics, perhaps even higher depending on individual taste. The upsell was tolerable although still very much prevalent. With so many missing girls this past visit, hopefully 2019 will be a good year as the familiar girls return.
GT was probably a distant third in optics but the lack of upsell, warm reception, and reliable service make up for some of that. I only took 2 rooms on each of my visits but all were high quality rooms. Kate was the best performer but new girl Elisa could give her a run for her money.
The line up at Yin Yang was a point below GT but 4-5 girls were good enough for me, although I only tried 2. I will say that my higher rating for GT might be because they are more dolled up there. Hopefully the pending closure of YY is blocked.
Finca, LR, and Acapulco shared similar optic levels but Aca's poor line up was mostly due to missing top optics on my visit. Perhaps LR suffered from the same random bad luck but I don't visit that club enough to know its max line up potential. As previously reported, Finca holds a place in my heart as it is a brothel stuck in time, a good time.
Even though your taste in girls seems a bit off to me sometimes, I have to agree with your routine on performing in bed. Up and down mountains is the best way to improve blood flow in the thighs. Walking / running stairs is probably even better than cycling though. And no smoke / alcohol too.In Zoncolan or Mortirolo, I put my heart in red zone for more than 1 hour, really intense effort.
No more link between la Grave la Meije and les 2 Alpes now so I may be one of the last who cross Glacier la Girose 3500 meters high for 1 hour to go and 1 hour to go back, no more lift, so have to push at such high altitude, before skiing down 2100 meters to la Grave, so would be easy to fuck a girl from the opening to the end but except my exceptional stamina German escort, I don t think another could resist. When she was exhausted, she closed her vagina, then had to open her with fingers, sometimes fucking for 3 hours, she was impressive stamina, second meeting was at YY on whatsapp appointment, we shared contact after first room, we knew.
Finca, LR, and Acapulco shared similar optic levels but Aca's poor line up was mostly due to missing top optics on my visit. Perhaps LR suffered from the same random bad luck but I don't visit that club enough to know its max line up potential. As previously reported, Finca holds a place in my heart as it is a brothel stuck in time, a good time.I will say that unfortunately you were at there about 14 hours too early. The next day there were nearly twice as many women with a similar level of optics. So if there were 2 you liked the day I believe you visited, there statistically should have been 4 the next day. For the moment, it seems that LR starts picking up Thursday and builds through Saturday, ten slips off for the next four days.
Just adding to what Takedown wrote: Comparing Oase lineup to Sharks feels so much like comparing pears to apples. One can compare one day to the next day easily and then Oase always would win with everyone there like last Friday. But at Oase it is much easier to know all the girls in the top lineup. At Sharks I feel like the lineup is far more floating, and it is impossible to find every sharks girl there at the same day. But throughout a week, surely Sharks can be comparable. We just don't get the same single day wow factor at Sharks. Maybe also due to the layout and size of the club at Sharks, and many girls staying around for fewer hours in average per night usually. (Not telling you this I guess since you know, but other readers).
At Oase one could see the top 10 girls probably within a matter of 30 minutes in the lounge. That never happens at Sharks. Too bad one reason for that is the increasing upselling at Oase, and the slightly higher time cheating observed there. So bring a watch, LOL Or this will get worse and worse and worse. Right now Oase might be fine for one night on a trip. But hardly 2 considering cost compared to other clubs.
WawaWetWet
02-18-19, 00:45
Hi all,
I am new to FKK and plan to visit soon and want to ask a few questions about FKK clubs:
1. I know many of you would spend half or the full day at the club, so how do you kill your time in between? As far as I know mobile is not allowed inside, sounds like entertainment is limited except with girls.
2. I prefer to use my own condom at all time, is it allow to bring in and use our own in FKK clubs?
3. What would be the best time to go in terms of no. Of girls? And if arrive by 1 or 2 pm, would there be so few girls to choose from? I know it might depends on clubs but just want to know the general principle.
4. It sounds like girls from Oase do a lot of upsell these days, are sharks, Mainhattan or palace do the same as well?
Sorry with so many questions from a newbie!
CaneUppHosAss
02-18-19, 16:30
Hello Sir,
Big clubs like those in Hessen have multiple channels of entertainment, fun, wellness and other things going on.
What can you do?
1. Fuck the girls. The main reason to be in the clubs. You have more than a hundred to choose from. Only limited by your wallet, stamina, and time.
2. Ogle the girls. It is identical to being in a strip club, seeing all that pussy, tits, and ass on nonstop display.
3. Eat, drink,. The bigger clubs do have decent spreads. Adult Drinks are a tad expensive but not outrageously so.
4. Talk to the girls and other male guests. Socializing with other like minded men and pretty naked girls. What can be better?!
5. Watch TV. They do have multiple big screen TVs and a lot of sport. Enjoy the music on the sound system. See the occasional pole dance by some girls. Perhaps join the dance yourself.
6. Relax. In the garden if they have one, in quiet areas inside the club. Summers are glorious. Can fuck outdoors if you want to, au natural.
7. Wellness — walk around; some clubs have one or two exercise machines. Do yoga by yourself if you wish.
8. Mobile and tablets — depending on the club, this is possible. Some clubs have own WiFi. Be discrete, and don't point at others, and do your surfing in an area away from others. Use common sense.
9. If none of these appeal to you, take a break, tell the front desk lady that you will be back and go into the town between sessions for whatever and come back to the club.
Hi all,
I am new to FKK and plan to visit soon and want to ask a few questions about FKK clubs:
1. I know many of you would spend half or the full day at the club, so how do you kill your time in between? As far as I know mobile is not allowed inside, sounds like entertainment is limited except with girls.
2. I prefer to use my own condom at all time, is it allow to bring in and use our own in FKK clubs?
3. What would be the best time to go in terms of no.
Also,
Sauna, Yaccuzzi, steam rooms, swimming pools, cinemas showing porn, patting the cats etc etc.
My 2 cents. Most girls are okay with bringing your own condoms, some will give you resistance. Best time at most Frankfurt clubs is after 4 pm. Getting there at 1 pm is fine, just find one girl to clear the pipes and watch without stress as the night shift comes in between 4-8 pm. Oase has more upsell than other places but if you can negotiate 1 hour for 100 euro, then you are in the right price range. That changes on busier nights when conventions are in town. As for things to do, it's hard for or a newbie as the girls don't know you. All conversations with them will be sales propositions. Best thing to do is don't be weird and find other mongers who are also not weird then speak like normal people.
I say read the threads and get a collective of information, not one man's opinion. Also, consider the source. For example know the poster's preferences. I am optics oriented but will stray. [Deleted by Admin].
Hi all,
I am new to FKK and plan to visit soon and want to ask a few questions about FKK clubs:
1. I know many of you would spend half or the full day at the club, so how do you kill your time in between? As far as I know mobile is not allowed inside, sounds like entertainment is limited except with girls.
2. I prefer to use my own condom at all time, is it allow to bring in and use our own in FKK clubs?
3. What would be the best time to go in terms of no. Of girls? And if arrive by 1 or 2 pm, would there be so few girls to choose from? I know it might depends on clubs but just want to know the general principle.
4. It sounds like girls from Oase do a lot of upsell these days, are sharks, Mainhattan or palace do the same as well?
Sorry with so many questions from a newbie!
ExpatLover
02-19-19, 20:15
Just go there without willing absolutely to session so you will keep the control of everything and even in the worst scénario leaving without having sex. It is a least what I am doing.
WawaWetWet
02-20-19, 10:39
Thanks for the info. Didn't realise we can bring in tablet or mobile. Will see if clubs in frankfurt would allow me to do so.
Also it is a very good suggestion to have a walk outside and then come back later.
As a geek of myself, I don't do socialise well so I might keep to myself and hang around the club instead.
Thank you mate.
Hello Sir,
Big clubs like those in Hessen have multiple channels of entertainment, fun, wellness and other things going on.
What can you do?
1. Fuck the girls. The main reason to be in the clubs. You have more than a hundred to choose from. Only limited by your wallet, stamina, and time.
2. Ogle the girls. It is identical to being in a strip club, seeing all that pussy, tits, and ass on nonstop display.
3. Eat, drink,. The bigger clubs do have decent spreads. Adult Drinks are a tad expensive but not outrageously so..
WawaWetWet
02-20-19, 10:48
Thanks a lot. This would be my first time to FKK and I am quite shy so thinking to go at the weekend in day time to avoid lots of customers, not sure if it is the right tactic.
Also I am not sure with what you are referring with the following quote:
For example know the poster's preferences. I am optics oriented but will stray.
It is quite search threads from here, but will try harder with it.
I am from overseas and recently I've tried to surf those FKK website (Sharks, Mainhatten etc.) but all cannot viewed. Is it happening the same from others?
Or just poor me?
Thank you.
Also I am not sure with what you are referring with the following quote:
For example know the poster's preferences. I am optics oriented but will stray..I meant that you will see information which is subjective by nature so it would be good to know your source. Some guys prefer optics, some service, some have other criteria. Any review from me will generally be regarding slim girls with pretty faces. You can bet that Optimist will give good service recommendations. Endorsement of a club from Sirioja would be because he found one girl he likes. Some other guys have preferences for specific clubs no one else does, like any recommendation for Oceans.
Wawawetwet,
Maybe half the forum here is Asian. And after awhile you realize that westerners and Asians have a slightly different take on beauty also. Many Asians preferring skinny or slim legs, while westerners care more about tits or shape of butt. Facial beauty preferences are also different for everyone here. And it changes as we age too. So take everything for a grain of salt that you read here regarding optics. And certain posters have personal vendettas against other posters or clubs. So better just scout yourself. For someone new to it, you cannot really go wrong anywhere. But if you do nrw, get a rental car in case you want to switch club and perhaps try to find out when a club has entry discounts (this goes for everywhere).
WawaWetWet
02-21-19, 00:38
I meant that you will see information which is subjective by nature so it would be good to know your source. Some guys prefer optics, some service, some have other criteria. Any review from me will generally be regarding slim girls with pretty faces. You can bet that Optimist will give good service recommendations. Endorsement of a club from Sirioja would be because he found one girl he likes. Some other guys have preferences for specific clubs no one else does, like any recommendation for Oceans.Got it, thank you.
Also would there be any theme for clubs in Frankfurt (Sharks, Mainhattan etc.) from Friday to Sunday? And any discount as well? Because I can't login to any of their website.
Pistons. You are right about cultural preferences. Now I understand why many of my favourites have been labelled as Asian Killers :)
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2. I prefer to use my own condom at all time, is it allow to bring in and use our own in FKK clubs?
...That is one positive aspect of FKKs as opposed to other venues, ie 90% of girls in FKKs will be ok with using your own condom.
WawaWetWet
02-21-19, 17:32
Wawawetwet,
Maybe half the forum here is Asian. And after awhile you realize that westerners and Asians have a slightly different take on beauty also. Many Asians preferring skinny or slim legs, while westerners care more about tits or shape of butt. Facial beauty preferences are also different for everyone here. And it changes as we age too. So take everything for a grain of salt that you read here regarding optics. And certain posters have personal vendettas against other posters or clubs. So better just scout yourself. For someone new to it, you cannot really go wrong anywhere. But if you do nrw, get a rental car in case you want to switch club and perhaps try to find out when a club has entry discounts (this goes for everywhere).Oh I prefer slim legs, nice tits and firm butts, I guess I count myself as multicultural. True that everyone has its own taste, I will keep that in mind.
I don't think I will rent a car as I don't have the license to drive in Germany. Will focus on one to two FKK.
Will see how things go but thanks very much for comments made here.
CaneUppHosAss
02-21-19, 21:58
If not renting a car and on a first visit, the best option is Hessen. Clubs are bigger and there are hundreds of girls and you can figure out what you want as you go along. Easy public transportation and nearby hotels.
Downside is that girls can be aggressive if you come across as a first timer but if you look and act cool, do your due diligence: prices etc you will be just fine.
Good luck.
Oh I prefer slim legs, nice tits and firm butts, I guess I count myself as multicultural. True that everyone has its own taste, I will keep that in mind.
I don't think I will rent a car as I don't have the license to drive in Germany. Will focus on one to two FKK.
Will see how things go but thanks very much for comments made here.
Oh I prefer slim legs, nice tits and firm butts, I guess I count myself as multicultural. True that everyone has its own taste, I will keep that in mind.
I don't think I will rent a car as I don't have the license to drive in Germany. Will focus on one to two FKK.
Will see how things go but thanks very much for comments made here.Maybe I am just not well informed here, but isn't a drivers lisence a global thing? At least mine can be used in every country in the world. I know there is now a distinction between automatic and manual car drivers lisences, but is there a country specific definition too?
Pistons. You are right about cultural preferences. Now I understand why many of my favourites have been labelled as Asian Killers.I hink there are more than one reason for that. But after a few trips to Asia in the past I also noticed Asians love for blonde hair as opposed to black. And there are certain different cranial types they prefer. But these also differ between for example Koreans and Japanese to some extent too. Two girls in Philippines once told me why I liked 'Korean type girls'. Both were in heavy makeup and had dyed their hair blonde'. They would both look good with black hair too, but they were the prettiest ones. The Korean owned clubs had just handpicked all the prettiest girls around in order for them to work in their clubs just like the Japanese have done in parts of Bangkok. And then they make the girls off limits to non Koreans (Angeles) and non Japanese (bkk).
WawaWetWet
02-22-19, 01:55
If not renting a car and on a first visit, the best option is Hessen. Clubs are bigger and there are hundreds of girls and you can figure out what you want as you go along. Easy public transportation and nearby hotels.
Downside is that girls can be aggressive if you come across as a first timer but if you look and act cool, do your due diligence: prices etc you will be just fine.
Good luck.Thank you. I really want to avoid aggressive type as walking in as the first timer would definitely makes me feel like a sheep walking towards a bunch of wolfs. But I will try to calm myself down and let my mind to do the judgement.
Are there any rules from the club to restrict auch aggressive approach? For example if it is normally 50 euro charge and find myself being asked for 100, can we ask the club for assistance?
Any clear definition of what kind of service included in the 50 dollar 30 minutes session?
Thank you.
CaneUppHosAss
02-22-19, 04:33
Thank you. I really want to avoid aggressive type as walking in as the first timer would definitely makes me feel like a sheep walking towards a bunch of wolfs. But I will try to calm myself down and let my mind to do the judgement.
Are there any rules from the club to restrict auch aggressive approach? For example if it is normally 50 euro charge and find myself being asked for 100, can we ask the club for assistance?
Any clear definition of what kind of service included in the 50 dollar 30 minutes session?
Thank you.Even if you are a first time in FKKs, as long as you are not totally new to mongering world you are probably OK.
I had mongered in many other countries before my first FKK visit. What is different in FKK is the sheer number of girls, the fact that they are all naked (or mostly naked), and they freely approach you (in some clubs, not all) and ask for a room.
So, as you said just calm down, take in the scenery but don't jump at the first girl. Take your time. If you feel like it, even lie and tell the girls you have been there many times before.
You will find that many girls themselves are somewhat new at these clubs, especially the big clubs. There is a good amount of churn in the girls LU. Most of them can't tell who is truly new to the club and who is not. If you look and act cool, they will think you are an old hand and will treat you as such. As in most places in the world, your own demeanor and confidence will decide what kinda service you will receive.
50 E entitles you to just CBJ and CFS these days. BBBJ, DFK, other services may or may not be included. Up to the girl. Ask her and make it clear you want them. If she refuses, move in to a different girl. Or if the girl is so hot and compelling that you must have her, then ask if she is willing to do 100€ for an hour, BBBJ and DFK included. Many or most girls will agree.
Unfortunately, there are no rules against aggressive approaches. Depends on what's your definition of aggressive. Asking you multiple times for a room may be aggressive but no rule against it. Just be firm and tell her to beat it.
Demanding 400€ from you for a room for an hour with no other extras. Well, that is not aggressive, that is a scam. I would take that girl to the front desk if someone pulled it on me.
Thank you. I really want to avoid aggressive type as walking in as the first timer would definitely makes me feel like a sheep walking towards a bunch of wolfs. But I will try to calm myself down and let my mind to do the judgement.
Are there any rules from the club to restrict auch aggressive approach? For example if it is normally 50 euro charge and find myself being asked for 100, can we ask the club for assistance?
Any clear definition of what kind of service included in the 50 dollar 30 minutes session?
Thank you.Go for 100 1 hour. For 50 to get good service you have to be lucky.
WawaWetWet
02-22-19, 13:59
Maybe I am just not well informed here, but isn't a drivers lisence a global thing? At least mine can be used in every country in the world. I know there is now a distinction between automatic and manual car drivers lisences, but is there a country specific definition too?It is necessary to apply for a special license in order to drive in other countries, which I don't have one with myself. So I will use public transportation instead. Therefore I need to do more research so I don't need to travel around.
WawaWetWet
02-22-19, 14:04
I hink there are more than one reason for that. But after a few trips to Asia in the past I also noticed Asians love for blonde hair as opposed to black. And there are certain different cranial types they prefer. But these also differ between for example Koreans and Japanese to some extent too. Two girls in Philippines once told me why I liked 'Korean type girls'. Both were in heavy makeup and had dyed their hair blonde'. They would both look good with black hair too, but they were the prettiest ones. The Korean owned clubs had just handpicked all the prettiest girls around in order for them to work in their clubs just like the Japanese have done in parts of Bangkok. And then they make the girls off limits to non Koreans (Angeles) and non Japanese (bkk).Different people have different taste, it is something which is very subjective so I didn't pay much attention. I would pay more attention to the hardware, pricing, timing which are more objective and these are something could be valuable for newbies like myself.
WawaWetWet
02-24-19, 09:53
Go for 100 1 hour. For 50 to get good service you have to be lucky.Is it that bad? I was thinking to go with 50 and can try different types. Otherwise can only try 1 to 2 if to go with 100 each time.
ExpatLover
02-27-19, 20:12
Is it that bad? I was thinking to go with 50 and can try different types. Otherwise can only try 1 to 2 if to go with 100 each time.More rooms doesn't means better sex.
I am one of those who esteem attitude above looks. I am happy with an average looker with a great attitude.If this is true, why do you insist on visiting Frankurt clubs when (many or even most of) the NRW clubs so clearly have girls with better attitudes (less upselling)? At least for 50 E.
I agree this is an interesting topic. While the concept of FKK has something unique that separates the scene from the standard brothel / night clubs in the rest of the world, every region and club in Germany often have something unique that separates them from other regions / clubs. Very generally speaking; I would think the Frankfurt Clubs upper hand would be bigger clubs, better facilities, better outdoors, greater selection of girls, overall betterlooking girls (I bet we are all anxiously awaiting Siriojas take on that, yawn), more nudity, and better logistics if landing in Frankfurt. BUT; more upselling is a clear disadvantage in Frankfurt compared to the NRW, while Frankfurt possibly still is better than Artemis in Berlin and the Hamburg clubs in this regard.
My take is that I want both good looks and good performance (at a standard rate). Good looks come first, but luckily I have broader taste than the really jaded around here. Therefore I can easily feel content among the Top 10 (sometimes even Top 20) best lookers at the bigger Frankfurt clubs. Then secondly comes seeking chemistry / checking attitude among the Top 10 (20) lookers. And then, and only then I take my chances. Goodlooking girls with good performance at standard rate is likely to be repeated, while girls with annoying upselling or only average performance will be avoided. Luckily I still find that most of the goodlooking girls have great performance at a standard rate (in a 1 h session) at the Frankfurt clubs (1h sessions being my preference).
Every guy is different. But there should be a FKK club (or clubs) out there for everyone. You just need to find the one that is right for you. Hopefully we get a good discussion out of this.
If this is true, why do you insist on visiting Frankurt clubs when (many or even most of) the NRW clubs so clearly have girls with better attitudes (less upselling)? At least for 50 E.
I agree this is an interesting topic. While the concept of FKK has something unique that separates the scene from the standard brothel / night clubs in the rest of the world, every region and club in Germany often have something unique that separates them from other regions / clubs. Very generally speaking; I would think the Frankfurt Clubs upper hand would be bigger clubs, better facilities, better outdoors, greater selection of girls, overall betterlooking girls (I bet we are all anxiously awaiting Siriojas take on that, yawn), more nudity, and better logistics if landing in Frankfurt. BUT; more upselling is a clear disadvantage in Frankfurt compared to the NRW, while Frankfurt possibly still is better than Artemis in Berlin and the Hamburg clubs in this regard.
My take is that I want both good looks and good performance (at a standard rate). Good looks come first, but luckily I have broader taste than the really jaded around here. Therefore I can easily feel content among the Top 10 (sometimes even Top 20) best lookers at the bigger Frankfurt clubs..Oase and Sharks are good for club services, to relax, but not anymore for girls look and level in bed, if You look for beauties who don t treat You like a grocer in Arabian market.
Luckily I still find that most of the goodlooking girls have great performance at a standard rate (in a 1 h session) at the Frankfurt clubs (1h sessions being my preference).
Every guy is different. But there should be a FKK club (or clubs) out there for everyone. You just need to find the one that is right for you. Hopefully we get a good discussion out of this.Ha ha. Now comes the important Caveat after talking about standard rates. I don't believe many of the top girls for looks and performance are that motivated by having to work hard for 30 minutes with extra time wasted for logistics and next customer pickup, for a 50. That was the okay Money 10 to 15 years ago. They can get better.
I know there are guys that gave up Frankfurt and go to the Living Room as example, because they are not keen to spend more than 50 that often.
Sure we can still get fabulous service from pretty girls when they are suitably motivated. A 50 just does not do that. To me 50 represents a crap session likely terminated after 10 to 15 minutes as being a complete waste of time and money, or a low class girl who is desperate for customers, at least in Frankfurt.
CaneUppHosAss
03-03-19, 20:11
This is such a well articulated comment. I want to say +1. Perhaps +2 if I could illegally vote twice.
The comparison of clubs, and FRA vs NRW is summed up very nicely in your comment sir. I agree with almost everything you said.
It is also true that if you look hard and wide, it is possible to find anything you could possibly want in one of the clubs. Just have to look and do your due diligence as you said.
To the points made by the other gentleman below Syzygies, I agree broadly speaking. 50€ is no longer a large amount and consequently will not fetch you a full half hour of great service with everything included from a pretty enough girl. Those days have passed. I manage to find a good girl once in a while who is pretty and gives good service but it is also because she can see from my talk and body language that I will extend the service beyond 30 M. The expectation of a lengthy and repeated sessions is already built in.
If you tell a pretty girl that you want just 30 M and will only give 50 E, the chance that she will give BBBJ plus DFK plus other nice things with a pleasant attitude, will take full pounding willingly and do it till the 30th minute is quite remote.
If this is true, why do you insist on visiting Frankurt clubs when (many or even most of) the NRW clubs so clearly have girls with better attitudes (less upselling)? At least for 50 E.
I agree this is an interesting topic. While the concept of FKK has something unique that separates the scene from the standard brothel / night clubs in the rest of the world, every region and club in Germany often have something unique that separates them from other regions / clubs. Very generally speaking; I would think the Frankfurt Clubs upper hand would be bigger clubs, better facilities, better outdoors, greater selection of girls, overall betterlooking girls (I bet we are all anxiously awaiting Siriojas take on that, yawn), more nudity, and better logistics if landing in Frankfurt..
Guys, in Germany for 3 weeks this June. What FKK clubs I absolutely have to visit and get a good experience. In 2015 I visited couple of them in Shtutgard and €50 for 30 minutes, which included kissing, uncovered BJ and sex was a norm with some rear exceptions. Few girls wanted €100 for half an hour. They considered themself top shelf. What change since then? Thanks in advance!
This is a topic that has repeated itself in here ad nauseum. But which marketing genious figured out that a sensible price increase from 30 minutes and 50, would be 60 minutes and 100 euro? I won't hand him, or her, any nobel price in economics. Thats for sure!
Guys, in Germany for 3 weeks this June. What FKK clubs I absolutely have to visit and get a good experience. In 2015 I visited couple of them in Shtutgard and 50 for 30 minutes, which included kissing, uncovered BJ and sex was a norm with some rear exceptions. Few girls wanted 100 for half an hour. They considered themself top shelf. What change since then? Thanks in advance!New unenforcable sex regulations such as mandatory CBJ.
- Normal suppressed pricing for 10 years has suddenly spiked the priced in some clubs from 50, all the way up to 100 for the same thing. Even is cpi would just assume a new pricing level at about 63 euro for the half hour.
- Greed, and higher expectations than before.
- Increase in number of tourists compared to locals in the largest clubs. Making petty scams easier to get away with for the girls.
Guys, in Germany for 3 weeks this June. What FKK clubs I absolutely have to visit and get a good experience. In 2015 I visited couple of them in Shtutgard and 50 for 30 minutes, which included kissing, uncovered BJ and sex was a norm with some rear exceptions. Few girls wanted 100 for half an hour. They considered themself top shelf. What change since then? Thanks in advance!GT, LR, Samya, Palace, Mainhattan, Sharks, Oase for garden, World for garden, Palace Stuttgart, Sakura for foods.
Palace is 50 before 5 pm, Oase is 50 before 4 pm, I think also early discount at Mainhattan and World. GT and LR are 95 on same day, ask ticket to desk before moving to other. Sharks have discount on Wednesday 50 , Sunday before 2 pm, Monday and Tuesday.
Globe Zurich is not so far from Stuttgart, and far higher level for girls.
Enjoy FKK land.
Is it that bad? I was thinking to go with 50 and can try different types. Otherwise can only try 1 to 2 if to go with 100 each time.With 50 you can try more girls the intent is to score more girls. With 50 if girl is ready to kiss you can expect good service from her.
ExpatLover
03-05-19, 20:08
Is it that bad? I was thinking to go with 50 and can try different types. Otherwise can only try 1 to 2 if to go with 100 each time.Pussy are always pussy, don't expect anything more than pure mechanical sex for 50, better to go for one girl but for longer and to get some better session, there is no reason to go for several girls the same day at least for me.
Will be in Frankfurt for two days only. Would appreciate answers to any of the questions below:
1. Which clubs do you recommend if attractiveness is #1?
2. Hoping to visit as many clubs as possible within the two days, what's a realistic itinerary?
3. Can you leave and return to a club with one admission for a day (I. E. Do they stamp your hand for re-entry?
4. As an American and first-timer to Germany, do most people speak English?
Thanks in advance.
CaneUppHosAss
03-06-19, 19:12
Will be in Frankfurt for two days only. Would appreciate answers to any of the questions below:
1. Which clubs do you recommend if attractiveness is #1?
2. Hoping to visit as many clubs as possible within the two days, what's a realistic itinerary?
3. Can you leave and return to a club with one admission for a day (I. E. Do they stamp your hand for re-entry?
4. As an American and first-timer to Germany, do most people speak English?
Thanks in advance.You can leave and come back if you tell the front desk lady. That said, club hopping is a waste of time in my view. The big clubs have a large enough number of girls and provide enough choices and diversity. With just 2 days, you are probably better off doing 2 clubs. World used to be my favorite but of late I have been spending more time in Sharks and Oase. Do watch out for girls trying to sell excessively priced deals.
English is perfectly fine.
Hi guys,
Just hoping to get some advice on which cities to hit in Germany. Will be there for about 10 days later in the year.
Was definitely planning on staying in Frankfurt for the FKK clubs, but other than that what is worth going to for the girls / places? Ideally places that also have decent food and sightseeing.
Is Berlin skippable? Staying west would logistically be easier.
Hi guys,
Just hoping to get some advice on which cities to hit in Germany. Will be there for about 10 days later in the year.
Was definitely planning on staying in Frankfurt for the FKK clubs, but other than that what is worth going to for the girls / places? Ideally places that also have decent food and sightseeing.
Is Berlin skippable? Staying west would logistically be easier.With 10 days, chances are you want at least a day or two outside of clubs. And so 4 days in Austria, and 6 in western Germany would make for a much better trip. Vienna is a good alternative to Berlin. And with a rental car, you can drive down to Villach area for the best Austrian club (s), and do some skiing at the same time.
Cologne and Dusseldorf are also OK cities. So you don't have to go to Berlin. Berlin is just the best party club if you are a bunsh of guys going together. But for mongering, western Germany, and even Austria is better right now.
Artemis can have its great days too. Just not as often as in the past it seems.
I haven't been to an FKK club yet, but on here I frequently read how most of you recommend paying for an hour to get good service. If the girls are as attractive as you say, I'd be lucky to last 10 minutes, if you know what I mean. Are you allowed to go for "seconds" in that hour?
ExpatLover
03-08-19, 03:46
Hi guys,
Just hoping to get some advice on which cities to hit in Germany. Will be there for about 10 days later in the year.
Was definitely planning on staying in Frankfurt for the FKK clubs, but other than that what is worth going to for the girls / places? Ideally places that also have decent food and sightseeing.
Is Berlin skippable? Staying west would logistically be easier.90% of the girls are from Romania so no need to travel too much around. Only one FKK in Berlin expensive and mostly veteran girls. Small advice forget Berlin. Stay several days in Frankfurt, Shark, Oase, World and Manhattan will be great for a first timer. Yo can also travel 2 days to Dusseldorf area to try Samya, GT or LR. Rent a car this is a must to enjoy.
CaneUppHosAss
03-08-19, 15:25
I haven't been to an FKK club yet, but on here I frequently read how most of you recommend paying for an hour to get good service. If the girls are as attractive as you say, I'd be lucky to last 10 minutes, if you know what I mean. Are you allowed to go for "seconds" in that hour?You can. Just have to negotiate with the girl.
As you know, everything has become more expensive in the clubs these days. So, some girls may agree and some may not.
One thing is for sure. If you don't bring this issue upfront and negotiate before you go into the room, you may get in an argument. For example, you agree to an hour, finish at the 25th minute and tell the girl you want to go again. If you had not pre-negotiated, the girl will say no and would want to pack up and leave the room. Then you may say it is only 25 minutes yet and she will say but you agreed to an hour. It will become an ugly and unproductive argument and have to go to front desk. Avoid such unpleasant situations and clarify this upfront before going in.
For me, this may be an issue in the first session on the first day. After multiple seasons in multiple days, I am not concerned about more than one finish per room.
I haven't been to an FKK club yet, but on here I frequently read how most of you recommend paying for an hour to get good service. If the girls are as attractive as you say, I'd be lucky to last 10 minutes, if you know what I mean. Are you allowed to go for "seconds" in that hour?Go to Mondial Koln or RTC for 30 € for 20 mn. If you are just a rabbit You will never get the best from girls, they give you back when you are able to give them.
Buzz Fuckard
03-08-19, 20:07
He didn"t ask you to patronize him, he asked if it was possible to have a second round in the hour.
I haven't been to an FKK club yet, but on here I frequently read how most of you recommend paying for an hour to get good service. If the girls are as attractive as you say, I'd be lucky to last 10 minutes, if you know what I mean. Are you allowed to go for "seconds" in that hour?I wish you luck on your upcoming first visit. Like CUHA said, talk with the lady up front. In one club I agreed to 30 minute session. I was really happy until I wanted to change positions and the lady got out the calculator to start adding extras. Techniqqqie in conversation before the room is key. Ask her what services she will provide, what she likes to do and then I e her an idea of what you might like to try. Like some posters say, it is Fantasy Land, so don't be afraid to ask. If you want to dabble with submissive or dominant behavior, it can be found, hard core PSE no problem, an innocent looking girl to play a virgin and call you daddy, spit on your body or I your mouth, Champaign and Caviar, you want to give her a cat bath licking every cm of her body and make animal noises. I even know a lady who will stick her foot in your ass ass long as it's been shaved or waxed to a Ho's standard recently.
All the above and more is possible but not from all ladies and the prices may vary dramatically.
Some of the above are considered long foreplay that builds a special relationship with the lady. If you do any of these things with a lady you will most likely find she will run to you the next time you come into the club.
Buzz Fuckard
03-12-19, 13:46
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I posted a few questions over the past couple weeks about FKK clubs. Thanks to those who provided advice. Did two days in Germany on the way to Prague. Went to Palace the first night, Sharks the second.
Amazing.
I've been to Amsterdam three times and have participated in other forums talking about how the 'Dam has gone downhill. Well, I think it's gone downhill because of the FKK clubs. Now, after my Germany trip, I don't expect to ever travel to Amsterdam for this reason again.
On top of it, I've arrived in Prague today (first time) and for months was thinking it was going to be great, maybe even better than Amsterdam after looking at some of the clubs. Went to Showpark Market tonight. It was pretty pathetic for a number of reasons, but mainly because the LU was pretty hideous.
I should note that the eastern European girls don't do much for me. I love a good blue-eyed blonde. Even in the FKK clubs they seem to be rare, though I found ONE in both Palace and another at Sharks. Gorgeous German blonde girls. Now I'm not sure if I should revisit Sharks for its amazing LU during my layover back going home or give Oase a try to see how it compares. It could be couple of years before I make it back to Germany. Any blue-eyed blonde beauties at Oase?
I posted a few questions over the past couple weeks about FKK clubs. Thanks to those who provided advice. Did two days in Germany on the way to Prague. Went to Palace the first night, Sharks the second.
Amazing.
I've been to Amsterdam three times and have participated in other forums talking about how the 'Dam has gone downhill. Well, I think it's gone downhill because of the FKK clubs. Now, after my Germany trip, I don't expect to ever travel to Amsterdam for this reason again.
On top of it, I've arrived in Prague today (first time) and for months was thinking it was going to be great, maybe even better than Amsterdam after looking at some of the clubs. Went to Showpark Market tonight. It was pretty pathetic for a number of reasons, but mainly because the LU was pretty hideous.
I should note that the eastern European girls don't do much for me. I love a good blue-eyed blonde. Even in the FKK clubs they seem to be rare, though I found ONE in both Palace and another at Sharks. Gorgeous German blonde girls. Now I'm not sure if I should revisit Sharks for its amazing LU during my layover back going home or give Oase a try to see how it compares. It could be couple of years before I make it back to Germany. Any blue-eyed blonde beauties at Oase?There was this Russian girl Anastasia with blue eyes but did not see last week when I was there at Oase.
Given you only can go to one club, I would rather stick with Sharks.
Look for Adele, the taller one. She looks like a young Cameron Diaz. She's the only natural one in your spec. There are a few other blonde ones but they're either older or have silicone.
I posted a few questions over the past couple weeks about FKK clubs. Thanks to those who provided advice. Did two days in Germany on the way to Prague. Went to Palace the first night, Sharks the second.
Amazing.
I've been to Amsterdam three times and have participated in other forums talking about how the 'Dam has gone downhill. Well, I think it's gone downhill because of the FKK clubs. Now, after my Germany trip, I don't expect to ever travel to Amsterdam for this reason again.
On top of it, I've arrived in Prague today (first time) and for months was thinking it was going to be great, maybe even better than Amsterdam after looking at some of the clubs. Went to Showpark Market tonight. It was pretty pathetic for a number of reasons, but mainly because the LU was pretty hideous.
Truckdriver
03-30-19, 21:05
I like having sex outdoors (under bare sky) and I have done it at Artemis, Golden Time, Oase and Sharks. Is it possible in any other FKK?
BigBuddy69
03-30-19, 21:20
Its possible in World, Finca Erotica and in Bab Elsdorf.
SomeMongerer
03-31-19, 22:00
Shark is the best from what I heard, who else could be comparable to it.
TaninoLulz
04-05-19, 16:09
Will April be a bad time for a FKK holiday because of the orthodox Easter? Or girls will be present anyway? Some of you have experience about this period?
PussyControl
04-08-19, 17:36
Look for Adele, the taller one. She looks like a young Cameron Diaz. She's the only natural one in your spec. There are a few other blonde ones but they're either older or have silicone.I know a tall blonde girl, she looks like Cameron Diaz. But her name is Adela. Not Adele (Adele is a small girl from Romania with big tits). But the Cameron Diaz one. Her name is Adela.
A few weeks ago I saw her. She had a Lesbo-Live-Show together with Carla (on the table-dance-stage). I was a great show. Carla fucked her with a strap-on on the stage.
But I was never in the room with Adela. So, I can say nothing about her service. In my eyes, she has a few pounds too much.
With Carla I had already 3 very good experiences. She was always giving BBBJ in 50 E 30 min session. And I would say she's a very kind person. I like the atmosphere with her. She is always fair and does not annoy me with extras and upsellings.
Rogozhin30
04-10-19, 15:05
Hey fellas,
Long time fan and lurker. Have tried to RTFF forum for an upcoming trip to Frankfurt. I also owe several mongering reports on Kenya, Nigeria, Ukraine, Indonesia, Vietnam. But for now have a couple questions. Based on recommendations of KK and others, looking forward to visits to Dietz and Mainhattan, possibly Sharks.
1) I'll be in Frankfurt for a week, including Labor Day / May Day. Will the FKKs be dead or even closed that day? How about the RLD?
2) Also I've seen some references to MSOG at FKKs. Of course it depends on the girl, but am wondering whether to expect this to be an upsell or included in the usual rate, say for an hour session.
Thanks for all the info. Looking forward to perhaps meeting one or two of you at the clubs.
1) I'll be in Frankfurt for a week, including Labor Day / May Day. Will the FKKs be dead or even closed that day? How about the RLD?
All the FKK's will be open, it's a normal day for them.
2) Also I've seen some references to MSOG at FKKs. Of course it depends on the girl, but am wondering whether to expect this to be an upsell or included in the usual rate, say for an hour session.
Will anyone know if you say MSOG? Even in English it's a puzzle of an acronym.
All the FKK's will be open, it's a normal day for them.
Will anyone know if you say MSOG? Even in English it's a puzzle of an acronym.MSOG = Multiple Shots On the Goal. 😁.
Most FKK girls allows MSOG within the time you booked her, some even likes it more than some crazy customer creating headaches by talking weird shit for the remaining time after the first shot. But then again there are many snarky girls who want to end the session right after the first shot, even though technically they are supposed to spend (and fuck) the full 30 minutes (or multiple of it) time that she agreed with you.
I personally never had any problem in doing MSOG with any FKK girls, and no WG ever tried to sell that as an extra to me, even in 50e / 30 minutes sessions.
Rogozhin30
04-10-19, 21:12
Perfect, thank you both. Haha, I agree, some small chat is fine, but otherwise not what I'll be there for. Make sense you pay for the time and not the shot. The posts don't generally say so seems to be understood. Right on. Looking forward to first trip to FKK land.
MSOG = Multiple Shots On the Goal. 😁.
Most FKK girls allows MSOG within the time you booked her, some even likes it more than some crazy customer creating headaches by talking weird shit for the remaining time after the first shot. But then again there are many snarky girls who want to end the session right after the first shot, even though technically they are supposed to spend (and fuck) the full 30 minutes (or multiple of it) time that she agreed with you.
I personally never had any problem in doing MSOG with any FKK girls, and no WG ever tried to sell that as an extra to me, even in 50e / 30 minutes sessions.
Flixbus now runs a train service. For instance, a search for Frankfurt to Berlin today (on Wednesday) reveals that the Saturday and Sunday tickets can be low as 20 EUR. In general, they seem to be cheaper than using DB. But if you plan farther in advance or use the loyalty saver programs, I believe you can find cheaper tickets using DB. Only used Flixtrain service once, but WiFi worked as advertised. Train was about IC speed, not modern and sleek inside but clean. Downside is that they do not have many trains running. I believe for Frankfurt to Berlin, there is an early morning and an early afternoon.
Flixbus now runs a train service. For instance, a search for Frankfurt to Berlin today (on Wednesday) reveals that the Saturday and Sunday tickets can be low as 20 EUR. In general, they seem to be cheaper than using DB. But if you plan farther in advance or use the loyalty saver programs, I believe you can find cheaper tickets using DB. Only used Flixtrain service once, but WiFi worked as advertised. Train was about IC speed, not modern and sleek inside but clean. Downside is that they do not have many trains running. I believe for Frankfurt to Berlin, there is an early morning and an early afternoon.Very useful. Thank you!
Fucker2019
04-18-19, 18:56
Well I'm white and like girls with some curves but also don't mind slim girls or full bodied ones. It all depends on the girl. Tough to generalize these things. Got to have chemistry and some attraction however.
Wawawetwet,
Maybe half the forum here is Asian. And after awhile you realize that westerners and Asians have a slightly different take on beauty also. Many Asians preferring skinny or slim legs, while westerners care more about tits or shape of butt. Facial beauty preferences are also different for everyone here. And it changes as we age too. So take everything for a grain of salt that you read here regarding optics. And certain posters have personal vendettas against other posters or clubs. So better just scout yourself. For someone new to it, you cannot really go wrong anywhere. But if you do nrw, get a rental car in case you want to switch club and perhaps try to find out when a club has entry discounts (this goes for everywhere).
ExpatLover
04-18-19, 20:57
Wawawetwet,
Maybe half the forum here is Asian. And after awhile you realize that westerners and Asians have a slightly different take on beauty also. Many Asians preferring skinny or slim legs, while westerners care more about tits or shape of butt. Facial beauty preferences are also different for everyone here. And it changes as we age too. So take everything for a grain of salt that you read here regarding optics. And certain posters have personal vendettas against other posters or clubs. So better just scout yourself. For someone new to it, you cannot really go wrong anywhere. But if you do nrw, get a rental car in case you want to switch club and perhaps try to find out when a club has entry discounts (this goes for everywhere).So many girls told me about the Asian guys, low demanding, high paying, very good for the girls.
Flixbus now runs a train service. For instance, a search for Frankfurt to Berlin today (on Wednesday) reveals that the Saturday and Sunday tickets can be low as 20 EUR. In general, they seem to be cheaper than using DB. But if you plan farther in advance or use the loyalty saver programs, I believe you can find cheaper tickets using DB. Only used Flixtrain service once, but WiFi worked as advertised. Train was about IC speed, not modern and sleek inside but clean. Downside is that they do not have many trains running. I believe for Frankfurt to Berlin, there is an early morning and an early afternoon.Take it from someone who has taken the flixbus from Berlin to Frankfurt 3 times some years ago, it sucks. Trains are better, but with trains, you need to book well in advance for the good prices. Flixbus you can get for 20 e the same day as departure. The bus is not really very comfortable though, and mid way everyone gets woken up and have to leave the bus for 30-40 minutes at some roadside McDonalds. I wonder if Flixbus has an agreement with McDonalds, LOL!
Rental cars are so superior to this! Only thing that blows if you get a rental car is the added price if you deliver at a new location. And this is a main reason for me to have skipped Berlin / Frankfurt combo recently. Although I did notice a Ryanair flight between Shonefeld and Cologne with prices as low as 10-11 euro. I took it once as a transit on my way to Cologne, so I would choose this transportation method myself going forward. At least if the time of day is suitable. And then get a rental car in Cologne. Don't get a rental car in Berlin, as parking everywhere sucks. So you want to travel with public transportation there.
Take it from someone who has taken the flixbus from Berlin to Frankfurt 3 times some years ago, it sucks. Trains are better, but with trains, you need to book well in advance for the good prices. Flixbus you can get for 20 e the same day as departure. The bus is not really very comfortable though, and mid way everyone gets woken up and have to leave the bus for 30-40 minutes at some roadside McDonalds. I wonder if Flixbus has an agreement with McDonalds, LOL!Flixbus runs a new service called Flixtrain. See for yourself. Clearly it is a train not a bus.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=flixtrain
At the moment at least, Flixtrain is cheaper than Flixbus, so this might be just promotional pricing to attract new customers and steal competition from DB. Today (Friday) I can book a Saturday afternoon train (on less than 24 hours notice) from Berlin to FFM for 39 EUR (4 h30 min journey) or I can book a FlixBus for 49 EUR (6 h30 min journey). That makes absolutely no sense to me at all why their train is cheaper than their bus connection. If I do that same search on DB website for Saturday afternoon, the tickets from Berlin to FFM seem to be between 100-150 EUR.
Rental cars are so superior to this!Depends on the mongers needs and what their schedule is. Some international mongers just do four days at the same club and like to drink alcohol. In such a scenario, they just need a walkable hotel and round trip transport from the airport to FKK club. Train service can also be useful for people who have a business meeting the next day. For instance, someone could stay at Artemis until closing, than take the morning FlixTrain from Berlin to FFM. This allows them to sleep for 4-5 hours and be refreshed for an afternoon meeting in FFM.
Banana Boi
04-19-19, 23:20
Thanks for the info on Flixtrain. 10 euro from Dusseldorf to Hamburg. Pretty sure that's cheaper than diesel.
I'm not a bus fan but some may be interested in the Interflix. 5 bus trip legs for 99 euro. Zurich, Amsterdam, Berlin, Prague, and Budapest for 99 euro. Can't beat that.
https://interflix.flixbus.com/
Hi,
I am from US and plan to visit Frankfurt-Cologne-Dusseldorf from 4-26 to 5-5, I will drive and expect to visit 1-2 FKK clubs per day. But I haven't figured out which ones I should go, there's a long to do list and I need your help to add or cut some:
Sharks Oase Palace World Mainhattan Oceans Samya Mondial LivingRoom GoldenTime Magnum.
I would be really appreciated if anyone could answer:
1. Which clubs are the best for youngest / prettiest model looking girls?
2. Which clubs have the most of Germany / Polish / Russian / Czech / Ukraine blonde girls? From reading this forum it seems Romanians are dominating.
3. Which clubs have less upselling?
4. Shall I expect to get LFK / DFK / DATY / BBBJ for the basic 50 euros /30 minutes? Is it generally I) available ii) need negotiation iii) hard to negotiate?
5. If the girl insist the above GFE must come with 100 euros minimum, shall I reject? For 100 euros, can I ask for 60 minutes, or CIM for 30 minutes? Do you usually get much better experience with 100 euros?
6. Do you usually tip? How much?
Thanks again for reading and answering my questions!
ExpatLover
04-20-19, 18:47
Hi,
I am from US and plan to visit Frankfurt-Cologne-Dusseldorf from 4-26 to 5-5, I will drive and expect to visit 1-2 FKK clubs per day. But I haven't figured out which ones I should go, there's a long to do list and I need your help to add or cut some:
Sharks Oase Palace World Mainhattan Oceans Samya Mondial LivingRoom GoldenTime Magnum.
I would be really appreciated if anyone could answer:
1. Which clubs are the best for youngest / prettiest model looking girls?
2. Which clubs have the most of Germany / Polish / Russian / Czech / Ukraine blonde girls? From reading this forum it seems Romanians are dominating.
3. Which clubs have less upselling?.No need to visit 2 FKK in one day, arrive early and enjoy a full day in one club is far better, reco to visit Shark, Oase, may be World but the LU is not at the same level as the previous 2 but service is better and less up selling.
Banana Boi
04-20-19, 19:43
2. Which clubs have the most of Germany / Polish / Russian / Czech / Ukraine blonde girls? From reading this forum it seems Romanians are dominating.
You're about 4-5 years too late for this.
ExpatLover
04-20-19, 20:05
Hi,
I am from US and plan to visit Frankfurt-Cologne-Dusseldorf from 4-26 to 5-5, I will drive and expect to visit 1-2 FKK clubs per day. But I haven't figured out which ones I should go, there's a long to do list and I need your help to add or cut some:
Sharks Oase Palace World Mainhattan Oceans Samya Mondial LivingRoom GoldenTime Magnum.
I would be really appreciated if anyone could answer:
1. Which clubs are the best for youngest / prettiest model looking girls?
2. Which clubs have the most of Germany / Polish / Russian / Czech / Ukraine blonde girls? From reading this forum it seems Romanians are dominating.
3. Which clubs have less upselling?
4. Shall I expect to get LFK / DFK / DATY / BBBJ for the basic 50 euros /30 minutes? Is it generally I) available ii) need negotiation iii) hard to negotiate?
5. If the girl insist the above GFE must come with 100 euros minimum, shall I reject? For 100 euros, can I ask for 60 minutes, or CIM for 30 minutes? Do you usually get much better experience with 100 euros?
6. Do you usually tip? How much?
Thanks again for reading and answering my questions!95% of the girls if not more are from Romanian, girls are not products but human beings, coming from the US are 50 euros so important for you, don t spend much time to negotiate but go to the room and see what will happen.
Hi,
I am from US and plan to visit Frankfurt-Cologne-Dusseldorf from 4-26 to 5-5, I will drive and expect to visit 1-2 FKK clubs per day. But I haven't figured out which ones I should go, there's a long to do list and I need your help to add or cut some:
Sharks Oase Palace World Mainhattan Oceans Samya Mondial LivingRoom GoldenTime Magnum.
I would be really appreciated if anyone could answer:
1. Which clubs are the best for youngest / prettiest model looking girls?
2. Which clubs have the most of Germany / Polish / Russian / Czech / Ukraine blonde girls? From reading this forum it seems Romanians are dominating.I would like a bump for this post. I am also planing to visit an FKK and would like to know this info. Thanks.
It's easy to be nervous when coming to an FKK the first time. My advice? Relax, it will all be good. Coming from the states, its hard to believe this can be legal. And easy. Most of your questions are the things that are discussed endlessly on this forum, so many regulars will be annoyed that you're asking the obvious questions, when you can find answers just by reading the FKK discussions.
I suggest you don't do more than one club per day. No point really. There should be enough choice in any of the big clubs. You'd be wasting time and entrance fees for no good reason.
There are young, slim, pretty girls at all the clubs. Your main decision is whether to go the true FKK clubs or the NRW Saunaclubs. The real FKK's are mostly around Frankfurt, and have the advantage of the girls being naked. Its a great experience, mind blowing really, and all of them really want to have sex with you. Many have Dessous (lingerie) day once a week so inform yourself.
Sharks seems to be OK now for all possibilities without up sale, though many will try. Huge choice so you can safely stick to 30 E for 30 minutes, Though 60 for an hour gets better service.
I always like Mainhattan, not smokey, good relax area where the girls don't bother you. Not as much choice, but enough. I like the way some girls fall in your lap as you're sitting on the couch. You can put your hands on their hips and waist, have a discussion and still say no.
Don't be pressured into quick choices, take your time, and if it feels right go for it. At 50 E you're not losing much even if you have an occasional bad session.
You'll mostly find Romanians everywhere. They are great, many have amazing bods, many are very sweet nice women. Who will give you a great natural blowjob while smiling laughing and making sure you have a good time.
PSY us back and write reports. I always like hearing about first timers reactions to the whole phenomenon.
Hi,
I am from US and plan to visit Frankfurt-Cologne-Dusseldorf from 4-26 to 5-5, I will drive and expect to visit 1-2 FKK clubs per day. But I haven't figured out which ones I should go, there's a long to do list and I need your help to add or cut some:
Sharks Oase Palace World Mainhattan Oceans Samya Mondial LivingRoom GoldenTime Magnum.
I would be really appreciated if anyone could answer:
1. Which clubs are the best for youngest / prettiest model looking girls?
2. Which clubs have the most of Germany / Polish / Russian / Czech / Ukraine blonde girls? From reading this forum it seems Romanians are dominating.
3. Which clubs have less upselling?
LaBambaBoy
05-12-19, 17:56
So, fellow mongers, for a variety of reasons, this past week was my last visit to Germany for quite a while. It marked my 3 week-long visit in the last year, which encompasses all my time in FKK land. I have some thoughts.
Thanks to all of the great content and advice I got here (especially Kosher, Optimist, Lanthano, among many others), I was pretty broad in my experience. I managed to experience Sharks, Oase, Dietz, Bahama, Mainhatten, and Finca over those visits. (Write ups in the right forums for those who are interested.) While Oase and Sharks got the most attention (and Sharks had the best food, consistently), they were all worthwhile experiences. I'm most wistful about not having more time at Finca -- it is a club here the girls were fun and friendly across the board, which is rarely the case elsewhere. One day was not enough.
I also had a pretty good time at the RLD. One of my visits included a stay right near there (and no car), and a walk, fuck and go home in under and hour for less than 50 E is always a fun event. Though you really do get a leg workout!
I learned that 50 E30 rarely gets the best session at the big clubs; 100 E60 is so much more satisfying for the girls. I learned that DATY is received differently each time, which is part of the charm. That some girls are lousy kissers, and some will make you toes curl in seconds. I learned that optics are great for looking at, but do not at all correlate with service levels. I learned that talking, and listening, to a young Romanian girl can be surprisingly emotional, and lead to really great sessions. I also learned that some girls just want to have fun, and that's great too. I learned that German girls generally are a really lusty bunch, great in the room.
I will never not see a headline about Romania without reading it; I'll always root for them to succeed. I'll root for their Olympic team, their football team, and I'll hope their education system allows their economy to blossom. I know lots of folks are tired of Romanian girls, or aren't wowed by their ethnic features. Cool. But for me. I came to love the Romanian girls, and I'll always treasure the memories. And thanks to KosherKowboy- I'll never hear the term "gypsy" without thinking of red couches and creamy pussies. I'll concede that some of the girls have a grating tone to their voice, but I am not so sure it's a Romanian thing, and it is certainly not a majority. I met so many beautiful Romanian sweethearts, I will always treasure Romania for what it gave me.
I weep for the smoking; most of the girls said they started really young, and if you sit and watch, it tears at you to think of the health problems coming down the line. I remember lovely Sharks Bea, who I missed sessioning with on Friday (bummer, though I got a big hug), telling me she was going through a pack a night without even noticing, just because she was bored. Even Sharks Jennifer, a soccer player recovering from a meniscus tear, with thighs like steel cables, told me she started smoking at 12, wished she could stop because it tears at her lungs on the pitch, but just can't, it's a cultural thing. Still, so sad.
I found I was happier with a rental car. It gives you a lot more freedom to discover, and to change plans on the fly. But I also learned that there is a big difference between a hotel with "parking" and one with "free parking". And while driving in Germany is really easy when you come from the States, as long as you stay to the right. The left lane will kill you. And you will pay a lot for parking if you need to park in the city. And if you get gas in the hinterlands, your USA credit card is often not going to be accepted, so carry that cash! (Lots of places in Germany are not enthused with credit cards the way we in the states are).
One thing I regret was that I never met up with any of you to chat while mongering. I had a couple of good conversations with fellow patrons here and there, but mainly I like to watch the world go around, and there is not much better people watching than at an FKK, especially a big one.
I'll always remember Mainhatten, because even though I never went back, it was my first FKK, and Kelly was wondrous. I'll remember all the girls at Finca, a club of uncompromising friendliness and comfort.
And perhaps most of all I will remember Ro Damina and German Lara at Sharks -- they will be special treasures to me forever.
Thanks to everyone here who gave advice along the way -- you all helped. And thanks to Germany, for having FKKs, the greatest places on earth.
Great summary by LaBamba below. It should be read by any firsttimer to the Germany FKK Club scene.
Here is another great summary / introduction by Pessimist: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3172-FKK-Mainhattan-Frankfurt&p=2323319&viewfull=1#post2323319 taken from the Mainhattan thread (you can read his discussions with KK and others in that thread).
In particular I liked his intro:
It is good advice to try out as many clubs as possible to figure out what suits you best. It is always a bad idea to listen to someone else's advice and exclusively rely on other men's reports to figure out where to do your mongering. Only you know your mind, heart and cock. You should figure out your most optimal mongering water holes by yourself, and the best way to do this is to sample as many as possible and settle down to your favorite ones.If I may add something:
Which club is REALLY the best? In addition to knowing your own priorities and preferences, to really know this you need to go and visit each club multiple times. The selection of girls is more volatile than reports on ISG are able to disclose. Don't judge (or praise) a place to harsh after only one visit. Any firsttimer to a club will find that there is change in lineup and ambience during the day (daytime / evening / night). Each gent must find his favourite time to visit. Obviously, there is also a huge difference in lineup and ambience from the hectic weekends (Friday / Saturday night) to the girls' off days (usually Monday and Tuesday). Some like the buzz and party mood of a weekend, others will prefer the relaxing weekdays.
By example from a club I know fairly well: It will have 40- 50 girls on a Monday, increasing to 60- 80 midweek, and 80- 100 on the weekends. But even if the numbers are basically the same for Friday and Saturday night, the LU is not exactly the same. Typically 20 of the girls will not work both those nights. There are also some girls that never work weekends. If visiting this club during a whole week, you will find that 120- 150 different girls visited the same week. The next week some will be starting a holiday period, while others will come back. Some new girl will be trying out the club for the very first time, while others will leave for another club. During a calendar year possibly 300 girls have visited the club. So, how much is a report reliable from one visit only? Things change.
Another tip: Your local German guy in the club is your best friend. Don't ever forget this. If you know your priorities / preferences, he will suggest good clubs and potential girls for you. If you see someone you like in the club but wonders about performance, your local guy will often know more than most reports on ISG.
But firstly; get your priorities / preferences sorted out. Learn to trust your instincts and to find chemistry with a girl. And finally; trust your own experiences.
No truth, all is subjective, as say girls: we are all different. Some look for trash sex, some like me try to feel same kind of sex I had with my real life girlfriends, why I need a woman image and behavior to be able to feel, and I m not interested by other kind of sex. Many guys think pretty girls won t be good, when I think I m on my best with princesses and not good with little GND. We all have our own subjective truth and things can change, a Romanian perfect beauty, 28 yo when we started, made me change for my tastes from Siberian looks. I m only a baby in FKK land since end of 2012, but nobody work harder than me and I saw many clubs changing, some down, some up like Oase at the moment for my subjective tastes. FKK land is a huge playfield with high quality at Globe and can sometimes find in Germany for less expensive.
Kosher Kowboy
05-19-19, 15:28
Here is another great summary / introduction by Pessimist: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3172-FKK-Mainhattan-Frankfurt&p=2323319&viewfull=1#post2323319 taken from the Mainhattan thread (you can read his discussions with KK and others in that thread).
During a calendar year possibly 300 girls have visited the club. So, how much is a report reliable from one visit only? Things change.
Another tip: Your local German guy in the club is your best friend. Don't ever forget this. If you know your priorities / preferences, he will suggest good clubs and potential girls for you. If you see someone you like in the club but wonders about performance, your local guy will often know more than most reports on ISG.
.Good points Shark16 and the Mainhatten discussion does have some good points in it. A report from one visit is always welcome but as you say how reliable is that report as things change not just day to day but sometimes during the day. The calendar year thing is very correct and I notice this as I build up my days. If you plant your tail in one club (and by no means am I saying do not visit many as Pessimist suggested) until you find one or two that stick enough girls will roll thru. I've sampled girls from so many different places just in Mainhatten (although girls lie about past clubs many I did recognize from Sharks visits or Palace etc) and a few Atlanta girls even rolled thru Mainhatten which gave me an idea what to expect there.
I will also add to your comment about the local German guys being your friend, add in the weekend warriors from Belgium, Austria and even Italy that come in. Their knowledge and experiences may not be as extensive as the Germans (in some cases they are, or more) but either way just backing up your point the Euro guys who commute in have much better pointers than many on ISG who simply play follow the leader, print out names other guys saw etc. I regret waiting too long to see the NRW RTC Clubs and the Hanau Clubs but I can also say if I didn't do it with the locals the services I got especially in the BC would have been less. Yes, Germans for 50 Euros get ' Wedding Nights + " ; and sometimes their guests do too.
At F39 there was one girl I really wanted and two American guys told me she sucked but I didn't care as I wanted her. She didn't speak any English (or Spanish) was older and looked like she had been thru the ringer and right up my alley. She was well aware of one of the guys I was with being a regular and I told him maybe I would ask about finishes she allows and this guy told me the exact opposite of what the ISG tells you which is never to ask on the couch as your odds of getting shot down and having to use a gummi actually increase especially if she is a YMMV / on the fence type but he did add he would ask her to seal the deal as she knows him and has solicited him many times. He tells me under no circumstances do you ask on the couch as if she doesn't AO to completion she may tell the other girls, you might spook her and it is best to simply go to the room and pay the 30 e and bail if not what you wanted. 30 e is chicken feed and only you and the girl will know what happened, no ' he asked me for CIP' etc. Turns out she is a 50 percent cover user but since she knew the guy I was with it was bombs away and she had one of the largest (must have been like 6 or 7 inches long counting the dangling labia below) and sloppiest pussies and I had the best time burying my face in her 100 K+ kilometer driven pussy until I filled it up happily. Once I reported back to my friend he actually went and blew in her himself, little help from the Amerikaner who he thanked for taking the gamble :D
The ISG (or any site) is really just a guide for us to share with each other the real guides are the boots on the ground and if you can find a few to help you it is perhaps the wisest move one can make at least in my case. And I can only speak from my experiences. Let the locals and for that matter the other girls you know do some of the work for you. My Gypsy dues I have paid since I started going also paid huge dividends in being told which girls to start with at each club up north and some were even contacted prior by either myself or Gypsies; had double support both from the girls at DayCare and the guys who know the Northern Gyspies. Might I also add sometimes if you are with a known guy girls that often serve light beers will make an exception and serve you a delicious full bodied brew.
We captain our own ships but sometimes it is best to let someone else navigate you until you know the waters yourself. They also know the best places to eat so if any of you guys want to have a great day in the NRW I would highly suggest stopping in at Grimberg and seeing Caty / Katy; top notch service than after finished before the hotel stop in to this place for one fine meal.
http://steakhouse-hauswitte.de/ ; and if in Dortmund after Verena this place is top notch too. https://dortmund.pfefferkorn-restaurants.de/ . I also learned much to my surprise that outside of probably Italy, NYC and Chicago that Germany has some of the best Italian food and pizza one can find.
One probably wonders who spends 50 E to fuck than 70 e+ on food but the reality is all comes down to quality and value. I did have to make one concession however to be mentored by these guys which was if they removed me from DayCare to indoctrinate me in the NRW that I was under no conditions allowed to tip like I do the Gypsies and one even says it was my fault the Gypsies added a few more kilos than usual over the winter :D
LaBambaBoy
05-19-19, 16:43
Great summary by LaBamba below. It should be read by any firsttimer to the Germany FKK Club scene.
Here is another great summary / introduction by Pessimist: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3172-FKK-Mainhattan-Frankfurt&p=2323319&viewfull=1#post2323319 taken from the Mainhattan thread (you can read his discussions with KK and others in that thread).
In particular I liked his intro:
If I may add something:
Which club is REALLY the best? In addition to knowing your own priorities and preferences, to really know this you need to go and visit each club multiple times. The selection of girls is more volatile than reports on ISG are able to disclose. Don't judge (or praise) a place to harsh after only one visit. Any firsttimer to a club will find that there is change in lineup and ambience during the day (daytime / evening / night). Each gent must find his favourite time to visit. Obviously, there is also a huge difference in lineup and ambience from the hectic weekends (Friday / Saturday night) to the girls' off days (usually Monday and Tuesday). Some like the buzz and party mood of a weekend, others will prefer the relaxing weekdays..Thanks for the kind words, and I totally agree with you. I had some good conversations here and there with local German dudes, full of info.
LaBambaBoy ,
Very eloquent summary. So wistful. You brought to life what we all feel after our return to our regular life after days or in your case weeks in the Disney land for adults. I mope and get depressed for weeks after my return, and waiting for my next trip. I hope you will get your own return trip soon, and faster than you expected.
I doubt that the local German monger will ever feel what we do. Even the French, Dutch, Belgian, Italian and even English flying mongers will not have this feeling that you so nicely articulated. Every visit to FKK land is to be cherished and none to be taken for granted.
Your comments about Romania are humorous but accurate. I too feel a connection with that country, that prior to my first FKK trip I had never felt before. I'm not quite sure if I will root for Romanian soccer team to beat USA in the World Cup although our standards have fallen so bad that it is a moot point. But nearly half the girls I have fucked in my life now have been Romies. That connection can be never be erased.
Tube,
I am moving your request here as I think it is FKK related and of general interest.
How is the FKK generally in Summer ? will many girls go on vacation ?Yes, all the girls go on vacation at some point and pickings will be slimmer. But some clubs are rarely affected at all. So it really depends on when you go and which clubs you plan visiting.
For instance:
- June and July are pretty much business as usual. August is THE vacation month.
- There is a risk that certain small clubs are emptied for girls in summer (2- 5 girls only if the norm is 10- 15). If you want a choice you better stick to larger clubs.
- Palace, which basically attracts a Messe crowd, will suffer severly in July and August (slim pickings), while other Mega Clubs with a garden like Sharks / Oase / World are not that much affected.
- Popular clubs like Sharks and Oase can be a sausage fest if good weather in the weekends (simply too many male visitors with horrible F / M ratios, in particular between 3 and 6 pm).
- The rooms at Sharks are not airconditioned properly and can be unbearable on warm summer days (I hope they get their act together).
The above is very generally speaking and from a Frankfurt perspective. I will leave for the NRW vets to fill in the gaps for their region.
p.s. The new cabanas at Oase look fun!
CzarNicholas
06-04-19, 23:37
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/angela-merkel-germany-anti-american-views/
Tonight: (Wednesday June 12).
Middle of the week, evening. SAMYA OR Golden time?
(Tomorrow during the day will definitely hit GT. Tonight, need some suggestions to decide. Thanks!)
LaBambaBoy
06-12-19, 15:10
LaBambaBoy ,
Very eloquent summary. So wistful. You brought to life what we all feel after our return to our regular life after days or in your case weeks in the Disney land for adults. I mope and get depressed for weeks after my return, and waiting for my next trip. I hope you will get your own return trip soon, and faster than you expected.
I doubt that the local German monger will ever feel what we do. Even the French, Dutch, Belgian, Italian and even English flying mongers will not have this feeling that you so nicely articulated. Every visit to FKK land is to be cherished and none to be taken for granted.
Your comments about Romania are humorous but accurate. I too feel a connection with that country, that prior to my first FKK trip I had never felt before. I'm not quite sure if I will root for Romanian soccer team to beat USA in the World Cup although our standards have fallen so bad that it is a moot point. But nearly half the girls I have fucked in my life now have been Romies. That connection can be never be erased.Yeah, I wouldn't root for Romania against the US head to head, probably, but if they won, I'd feel a little happy for them anyway. And like you I think that those of us stuck in the US of Gilead appreciate Germany and its FKKs a bit more, though that's just a personal opinion.
I'm only attracted to girls with blue or green eyes (fake colored contacts not included). Call me picky. It appears these types of girls don't come from Romania, which as we know mainly comprise FKKs.
I know they exist, but it's usually 1 or 2 choices even in the big clubs. This is only my second trip but I'm judging from trips to Sharks, Oase, and Palace.
What clubs provide the best odds to find a natural blue-eyed blonde?
Tonight: (Wednesday June 12).
Middle of the week, evening. SAMYA OR Golden time?
(Tomorrow during the day will definitely hit GT. Tonight, need some suggestions to decide. Thanks!)NVMD, checking out LR since it's late already and close to hotel. Hope it has recovered since last visit.
Great summary by LaBamba below. It should be read by any firsttimer to the Germany FKK Club scene.
Which club is REALLY the best? In addition to knowing your own priorities and preferences, to really know this you need to go and visit each club multiple times. The selection of girls is more volatile than reports on ISG are able to disclose.Some like the buzz and party mood of a weekend, others will prefer the relaxing weekdays.
But firstly; get your priorities / preferences sorted out. Learn to trust your instincts and to find chemistry with a girl. And finally; trust your own experiences.I second, third and / or fourth the LaBamba praise. I'm going to my first club this week. I expect a lot because I read all these reports, but at the same time, I know my "expectations" will probably not match the reality as reading these reports keeps building my hopes! HA. I am gonig on a Friday night (I want 90 girls and just 10 guys, the reverse might end up being closer to the truth). Still it isn't like any other situation so I go with the flow.
Everyone I have chatted with in recent months on this board has said one or two things that I take to heart. Go slow. Go in look around and just try and control yourself. Don't rush to run to the room. You have a few hours, enjoy the scenery and negotiate in advance if you want anything that's a bit more than kissing.
I'm only attracted to girls with blue or green eyes (fake colored contacts not included). Call me picky. It appears these types of girls don't come from Romania, which as we know mainly comprise FKKs.
I know they exist, but it's usually 1 or 2 choices even in the big clubs. This is only my second trip but I'm judging from trips to Sharks, Oase, and Palace.
What clubs provide the best odds to find a natural blue-eyed blonde?On contrary, quite a few Romanian girl have light eye. List below is not 100% Romanian however and not 100% blonde, but will be light eye.
Oase: Nelly, Melly, Laura & more.
Shark: Mila, Marina & more.
Palace: Nadia & more.
Mainhattan: Irina / Irena & more.
ExpatLover
06-13-19, 07:12
I second, third and / or fourth the LaBamba praise. I'm going to my first club this week. I expect a lot because I read all these reports, but at the same time, I know my "expectations" will probably not match the reality as reading these reports keeps building my hopes! HA. I am gonig on a Friday night (I want 90 girls and just 10 guys, the reverse might end up being closer to the truth). Still it isn't like any other situation so I go with the flow.
Everyone I have chatted with in recent months on this board has said one or two things that I take to heart. Go slow. Go in look around and just try and control yourself. Don't rush to run to the room. You have a few hours, enjoy the scenery and negotiate in advance if you want anything that's a bit more than kissing.I never negotiate something in advance, just beauty matters for me, is the risk is only to waste 50 euros.
I'm only attracted to girls with blue or green eyes (fake colored contacts not included). Call me picky. It appears these types of girls don't come from Romania, which as we know mainly comprise FKKs.
I know they exist, but it's usually 1 or 2 choices even in the big clubs. This is only my second trip but I'm judging from trips to Sharks, Oase, and Palace.
What clubs provide the best odds to find a natural blue-eyed blonde?Go to Globe Zurich for Megan who is on tour, model type, blue eyes, angel smile if she likes you, blond now. A natural beauty.
At Oase, some blond: Roxana, Miki, Diana, Stefani, Adela.
Everyone I have chatted with in recent months on this board has said one or two things that I take to heart. Go slow. Go in look around and just try and control yourself. Don't rush to run to the room. You have a few hours, enjoy the scenery and negotiate in advance if you want anything that's a bit more than kissing.That's sound advice. If you stick to it I am sure you will have a good time. At any club.
What I particularly liked about LaBamba was his willingness to try different type of clubs without any prejudice, I. E. both the typical Mega Clubs with a wide selection of girls (Oase, Sharks, Mainhattan) and the service clubs (Dietz, Finca, Bahama). He even managed a bit of RLD. By now he truly knows what the debate on ISG is about and can make up his own mind where to go next. Because he WILL return. Trust me on that one.
Where he failed a bit IMHO was giving in too early to the upsellers at the Mega Clubs. I know, it takes a bit of experience, but 100 E /60 sessions with good performance from good optic girls are not that hard to find (very easy actually). Just relax, look for a good time, be patient and let scene sink in, learn to say no to upsellers with a smile, and with a little trial and error you will eventually find the girls that are right for you.
I am confident you will have a good time.
Have fun!
Hi all,
I've had a search but can't find a comprehensive answer so thought I'd ask and try and make a full list -.
Which are the FKK and sauna clubs in Germany where the women in them will be walking around naked?
Thanks.
Hi all,
I've had a search but can't find a comprehensive answer so thought I'd ask and try and make a full list -.
Which are the FKK and sauna clubs in Germany where the women in them will be walking around naked?
Thanks.FKK should be with naked girls, sauna clubs are not with naked girls, even small cute Indira is full naked at Gold.
FKK should be with naked girls, sauna clubs are not with naked girls, even small cute Indira is full naked at Gold.Except for possible dress differently days like in bikini's or lingerie, in most if not all German FKK clubs are the vast majority of the women naked on any given day?
Except for possible dress differently days like in bikini's or lingerie, in most if not all German FKK clubs are the vast majority of the women naked on any given day?Only naked at Babylon Elsdorf, Bernds but not pretty, Finca, World, not all naked at Oase and Sharks. Naked days at Globe. Not naked in other clubs, but when I woke up and saw 3 girls in evening dress at 10 pm at Vanilla, I immediately felt I desired to see what under. Fortunately for me, the most attractive smiled and came to me, I felt I was at Aphrodisia bar Zurich city, but with a full natural Latvian dancer, unfortunately with dancer legs and feet, when I remember a good surprise with French manicure feet nails on our discovery. Mystery and discovery increase game of love.
Except for possible dress differently days like in bikini's or lingerie, in most if not all German FKK clubs are the vast majority of the women naked on any given day?Yes, they are.
Yes, they are.Great. Sounds ace.
As long as most of them are naked, its probably acceptable to most male visitors if a few are not quite naked.
Naked beauties walking around, wanting sex, reaching under mans towel or robe, that sounds like an awful lot of fun.
And you can stay in one of these venues all day.
I think the entry prices sound quite reasonable. Just compare it to what you get for the same price in a lap dancing club.
So right now on Friday night in some of the bigger FKK clubs there are over 100 naked beauties walking around?
Whats not to like. Even if the male visitor does nothing more than gets to see 100 naked beauties for his 40-70 euro entry fee.
I wish I was there right now. Would love to go but its a long way to travel.
In any of the none FKK German Sauna Clubs do some of the women walk around naked?
Yes, they are.Great.
As long as most of them are naked, its probably acceptable to most male visitors if a few are not quite naked.
Naked beauties walking around, wanting sex, reaching under mans towel or robe, that sounds like an awful lot of fun.
And you can stay in one of these venues all day.
I think the entry prices sound quite reasonable. Just compare it to what you get for the same price in a lap dancing club.
So right now on Friday night in some of the bigger FKK clubs there are over 100 naked beauties walking around?
Whats not to like. Even if the male visitor does nothing more than gets to see 100 naked beauties for his 40-70 euro entry fee.
I wish I was there right now. Would love to go but its a long way to travel.
In any of the none FKK German Sauna Clubs do some of the women walk around naked?
Checking my calendar as to when I might next be able to make a visit and it seems August is an option. My last visit fell over Orthodox Easter and I had often read in the past how depleted the line-ups were as many Romanian girls decided to go home. Sadly it was no exaggeration. I seem to recall reading August is similarly affected and I would expect reduced numbers but is it as bad as Orthodox Easter?
Thanks.
ExpatLover
07-18-19, 07:56
Checking my calendar as to when I might next be able to make a visit and it seems August is an option. My last visit fell over Orthodox Easter and I had often read in the past how depleted the line-ups were as many Romanian girls decided to go home. Sadly it was no exaggeration. I seem to recall reading August is similarly affected and I would expect reduced numbers but is it as bad as Orthodox Easter?
Thanks.August is worse than Ortodox Easter, if you can postpone it is always better, but in the big clubs there will always be many girls but the quality will be less.
GuyBrusg1957
07-19-19, 03:42
Is August that bad? I was planning a three day trip to Frankfurt around that time but if that's the case I might delay it. How much longer would I want to wait? I planned on Oase, Sharks, Mainhatten and Palace.
On the same subject, what up with escorts and agencies? I see there quite a bit of good information on FKKs but nearly no reviews, discussion, etc. On independents. Why is that? Am I just left gambling searching for online directories and hoping they're real and updated?
August is worse than Ortodox Easter, if you can postpone it is always better, but in the big clubs there will always be many girls but the quality will be less.Thanks. Though that's a shame to hear. It didn't really feel like summer in late April / early May when I came and haven't had a chance since then.
Re GB 1957's queries, if its your first time, I imagine even a depleted FKK line up would be a pleasure on the senses but if you can wait until the first or second week of Sept it should be good (I've visited then and is normal). Also, don't bother with escort agencies in Frankfurt. If you stick to your 4 clubs in 4 days plan and visit Wed-Sat you'll see at least 250 girls so imagine there will be more than enough girls that you take a shine to.
GuyBrusg1957
07-20-19, 07:03
Thanks. Though that's a shame to hear. It didn't really feel like summer in late April / early May when I came and haven't had a chance since then.
Re GB 1957's queries, if its your first time, I imagine even a depleted FKK line up would be a pleasure on the senses but if you can wait until the first or second week of Sept it should be good (I've visited then and is normal). Also, don't bother with escort agencies in Frankfurt. If you stick to your 4 clubs in 4 days plan and visit Wed-Sat you'll see at least 250 girls so imagine there will be more than enough girls that you take a shine to.I'd seen less clubs if I found an agency or indie but I'm curious why there are so many for say London but nothing for Frankfurt.
Only naked at Babylon Elsdorf, Bernds but not pretty, Finca, World, not all naked at Oase and Sharks. Naked days at Globe. Not naked in other clubs, but when I woke up and saw 3 girls in evening dress at 10 pm at Vanilla, I immediately felt I desired to see what under. Fortunately for me, the most attractive smiled and came to me, I felt I was at Aphrodisia bar Zurich city, but with a full natural Latvian dancer, unfortunately with dancer legs and feet, when I remember a good surprise with French manicure feet nails on our discovery. Mystery and discovery increase game of love."Quote Originally Posted by Karlo7.
Except for possible dress differently days like in bikini's or lingerie, in most if not all German FKK clubs are the vast majority of the women naked on any given day?
"Yes, they are. ".
So on a Friday and Saturday evening and night busiest times of the week in the bigger FKK clubs most of the women will be naked, and there tends to be something of a disco / party atmosphere, with girls dancing naked and lots of tourist men?
Just curious what level of physical contact do you see between men and women, which does not result in the man paying the woman for her services. For example, do the women come and pose such as bend over in front of men and show them a nice view, sit on men's knees and hug / cuddle / caress them, all while the woman is naked and the man is only wearing a towel?
What funny scenes have you seen unfold?
As I'm assuming some of the men and women have also being drinking alcohol on Friday and Saturday nights, so the situation might get quite relaxed and liberal or even wild!
Please help my imagination get a better impression of what these big FKK clubs are like on the busy nights. I enjoy reading such reports.
I'd seen less clubs if I found an agency or indie but I'm curious why there are so many for say London but nothing for Frankfurt.First, London is 10 or 15 times larger than Frankfurt. Second, brothels (more than three women at a time) are illegal in the UK, but not in Germany.
Second, brothels (more than three women at a time) are illegal in the UK, but not in Germany.Actually it's two or more that is illegal.
Ludacris775
07-21-19, 16:49
First, London is 10 or 15 times larger than Frankfurt. Second, brothels (more than three women at a time) are illegal in the UK, but not in Germany.In the Netherlands, brothels are legal. In spite of that, they still have a lot of escorts.
In the Netherlands, brothels are legal. In spite of that, they still have a lot of escorts.And a lot of windows in NL and Belgium. Big miss is YY, wish it will re open, as we said with Rachel. Cz at Vanilla, on next year, place for German part timer. 6 ens is not on same level for looks.
ArmnHammer69
07-21-19, 22:05
Looking for advice as to where to go to experience the FKK in Frankfurt on a Monday at end of July. Been to Artemis years ago and loved it. Should I visit in afternoon or wait until the evening?
I'd seen less clubs if I found an agency or indie but I'm curious why there are so many for say London but nothing for Frankfurt.Ok, here is another theory: The concept of FKK Clubs killed the escort scene. Who wants escorts when there are FKK Clubs in town? It's a Frankfurt thing.
At least this was the case back in late 90's and going forward until very recently. FKK Clubs are so much better. Let's see:
- The girls are all naked when meeting them.
- You meet the girls in person and not from a silly photoshopped picture, and you have all the time in the world to observe before making any decisions (ever heard of checking chemistry?). No bait and switch. It's the real deal.
- You choose between a selection of between 30 and up to 200 girls. The top optics are usually no less than those of an escort.
- You meet in quite luxurious spa-like surroundings.
- The prices for a session was initially half the price of an escort and services like DFK / BBBJ / DATY used to be standard (not extras or not available like with so many overpriced escorts).
My last point is obviously the weakest as things have sadly changed somewhat in the FKK scene over the last few years. Still; it does not need to be. Hint#1: Check out clubs like Finca and Bernd's. Hint#2: Try a 1 HR session (and pay 100 E) at any Frankfurt FKK Club (except maybe Palace and Mainhattan), and those services are still available with the vast majority of girls.
Why anyone wants to see an overpriced escort when in Frankfurt and having a whole world of exclusive opportunities right in front of you at the FKK Clubs is beyond me. Carpe diem.
ps. Escorts go on summer vacation too.
Ok, here is another theory: The concept of FKK Clubs killed the escort scene. Who wants escorts when there are FKK Clubs in town? It's a Frankfurt thing.There's plenty of escort sites around but with all the other options like the FKK's, club's and easily accessible brothels the demand in Germany is not like other countries.
ExpatLover
07-22-19, 18:58
Ok, here is another theory: The concept of FKK Clubs killed the escort scene. Who wants escorts when there are FKK Clubs in town? It's a Frankfurt thing.
At least this was the case back in late 90's and going forward until very recently. FKK Clubs are so much better. Let's see:
- The girls are all naked when meeting them.
- You meet the girls in person and not from a silly photoshopped picture, and you have all the time in the world to observe before making any decisions (ever heard of checking chemistry?). No bait and switch. It's the real deal.
- You choose between a selection of between 30 and up to 200 girls. The top optics are usually no less than those of an escort.
- You meet in quite luxurious spa-like surroundings.
- The prices for a session was initially half the price of an escort and services like DFK / BBBJ / DATY used to be standard (not extras or not available like with so many overpriced escorts)..It is absolutely not the same kind of girls, in the good escort agencies the girls have to speak fluently German, also they will not have 10+ clients everyday, if you are a regular customer of the agency.
They will understand your demand and also which kind of guy you are. I can easily meet my type of girl, fresh, natural beauty and not too pro what is more or less impossible in the FKK since 2017. After several meeting with the same girl she will give you her phone number and you will meet her without paying the agency fees, and the sex will be nothing comparable as the session in a FKK when you hear what is happening in the next room.
My best Romanians: EMA Prestige Neunkirchen, Madi World, my LR Eve and good surprise, Isabella, Katalina, were or are on my best Russian escorts level. Exceptional start with wow Romanian at Oase on April, but off since Orthodox Easter.
Why anyone wants to see an overpriced escort when in Frankfurt and having a whole world of exclusive opportunities right in front of you at the FKK Clubs is beyond me. Carpe diem.Some would prefer discretion. Does not have to be a celebrity per se. But If someone were married and worked at say a Siemens or Merck managing 1000 employees, I cannot imagine he would want to be at a FKK. Chances are he does not know the faces of everybody that works under him, but they will for sure know his face. Peoples careers can be flushed down the drain with a distasteful tweet nowadays.
GuyBrusg1957
07-28-19, 04:44
It is absolutely not the same kind of girls, in the good escort agencies the girls have to speak fluently German, also they will not have 10+ clients everyday, if you are a regular customer of the agency.
They will understand your demand and also which kind of guy you are. I can easily meet my type of girl, fresh, natural beauty and not too pro what is more or less impossible in the FKK since 2017. After several meeting with the same girl she will give you her phone number and you will meet her without paying the agency fees, and the sex will be nothing comparable as the session in a FKK when you hear what is happening in the next room.Expat any advice on agencies in Germany?
Also what is the longest anyone would plan for a FKK trip?
GringoItaliano
07-31-19, 02:07
I have been RTFF'ing in preparation for my upcoming Frankfurt-based FKK tour. It appears that visits to the main FKKs around Frankfurt will involve quite a bit of travel on the state / regional / commuter S-bahn train network (RMV, if my research is correct).
I understand that the various states and their regional / commuter train networks have passes for unlimited travel, and that Deutsche Bahn also has one for their Intercity / Intercity Express (IC / ICE) trains across Germany.
Does the Deutsche Bahn rail pass cover also travel on the regional / commuter S-bahn trains of the Frankfurt / Hesse area on RMV? I was thinking of getting the Deutsche Bahn pass, rather than the state / regional pass for Frankfurt / Hesse, because I do plan to visit other cites (e. G. Cologne), and I might also take the train / Deutsche Bahn express bus to Prague for a later leg of this longer trip.
Assuming that the Deutsche Bahn rail pass does cover the extensive travel on the Frankfurt / Hesse S-bahn trips that I will be taking to the outlying FKKs, would it be good value for the money, or would I be better off buying my tickets individually?
GringoItaliano - Re: DB Rail Pass. I'd recommend renting a car first. If not then hopefully someone familiar with the rail system can advise but I do suggest that you check some schedules and routes to the FKK's that you wish to visit as you will probably have to pay for bus fare / taxi as well. When you add that all up, a car is not much more expensive and you will save a lot of time. My apologies if a car rental is something that's not possible, it's usually the best suggestion.
I met a working girl who is really something out of the ordinary. As I have said before I go looking for gems in the most unusual places. I won't give details publicly at the moment as the details she gave me were personal.
A black girl who made the dangerous trip through the Sahara, Libya, and over the Mediterranean, and is now living in Germany. She is working as a prostitute temporarily as she wants money quickly to pay for a trip to see family in her country of origin. So, even in these days of ever stricter control on prostitution to say nothing of the pervasive establishment of Romanian mores (to generalise) a very different experience can be found.
The girl had a refreshing attitude. It is rare to hear a girl say she does not think she has done enough in a room to have earnt her money. Normally with girls it is more a question of restraining the teaching out for an extra 50 euro.
She was also one of the prettiest black girls I have come across. I extended my initial session and then repeated. Only stopped due to the absence of a Geldautomat.
My hope is that she will resume working as a prostitute when she returns. I have suggested a couple of clubs which might suit her.
I met a working girl who is really something out of the ordinary. As I have said before I go looking for gems in the most unusual places. I won't give details publicly at the moment as the details she gave me were personal.
A black girl who made the dangerous trip through the Sahara, Libya, and over the Mediterranean, and is now living in Germany. She is working as a prostitute temporarily as she wants money quickly to pay for a trip to see family in her country of origin. So, even in these days of ever stricter control on prostitution to say nothing of the pervasive establishment of Romanian mores (to generalise) a very different experience can be found.
The girl had a refreshing attitude. It is rare to hear a girl say she does not think she has done enough in a room to have earnt her money. Normally with girls it is more a question of restraining the teaching out for an extra 50 euro.
She was also one of the prettiest black girls I have come across. I extended my initial session and then repeated. Only stopped due to the absence of a Geldautomat.
My hope is that she will resume working as a prostitute when she returns. I have suggested a couple of clubs which might suit her.Thank you for sharing. W / o knowing any specifics, I would say that it is possible her current behavior and attitude and service levels are influenced by her recent difficult past, as you put it. Expectations could be ratcheted up higher after she gets used to a higher level of income. This is just a guess and I hope she stays the same for you though.
Romanian girls from tough backgrounds and modest income levels should also be providing good service for normal prices in the initial days of their new jobs but they seem to be corrupted by other Romi girls even prior to embarking on their new journies.
/ commuter S-bahn trains of the Frankfurt / Hesse area on RMV? I was thinking of getting the Deutsche Bahn pass, rather than the state / regional pass for Frankfurt / Hesse, because I do plan to visit other cites (e. G. Cologne), and I might also take the train / Deutsche Bahn express bus to Prague for a later leg of this longer trip.
Assuming that the Deutsche Bahn rail pass does cover the extensive travel on the Frankfurt / Hesse S-bahn trips that I will be taking to the outlying FKKs, would it be good value for the money, or would I be better off buying my tickets individually?This is all based on my experience so it could be I rode a train or two illegally, but. Here's what I remember researching.
If you're going to spend most of your time in Germany they make a 1 country pass. Pretty darn cheap and it covers S bahn. The multi country pass costs real dollars and if you're going to Prague later, maybe it's just as cheap to buy a separate ticket to and back? Eurail is meant for people doing a lot of travel, not just 1 country and done. The Germany ONLY ticket allows you to take a FREE bus from Munich to Prague and some other cities (but not the train). Weird, I know. But we are talking 250 to 300 euros for about a week to 10 days. Still it's all done and in your pocket. You can buy 7 days (separate) or 7 consecutive. Depends on your travel. Short train trips, 2nd class saves you money as well.
Here's the most important bottom line, if you're staying at a nice hotel, they will sell you day tickets to local transport that generally will get you multiple S, you, bus etc. Cheap hotels are unlikely to have a few of these in the drawer ready to offer to hotel guests. Then you have to go to the main train station and figure it all out.
If you are coming back late at night from a FKK and don't want to bother having change to pay in an automat, and figure out if you're ZONE 1, ZONE 2, etc and don't understand German, splurge and get a multiday, country pass?! If you are talking a couple of ubers, then think about the fact that one up-sell for DFK, is probably the same price as all your nights of cabs. For me the ease of asking the front desk to cal me a taxi to the train station was worth the extra euros.
GuyBrusg1957
08-02-19, 02:45
I have been RTFF'ing in preparation for my upcoming Frankfurt-based FKK tour. It appears that visits to the main FKKs around Frankfurt will involve quite a bit of travel on the state / regional / commuter S-bahn train network (RMV, if my research is correct).
I understand that the various states and their regional / commuter train networks have passes for unlimited travel, and that Deutsche Bahn also has one for their Intercity / Intercity Express (IC / ICE) trains across Germany.
Does the Deutsche Bahn rail pass cover also travel on the regional / commuter S-bahn trains of the Frankfurt / Hesse area on RMV? I was thinking of getting the Deutsche Bahn pass, rather than the state / regional pass for Frankfurt / Hesse, because I do plan to visit other cites (e. G. Cologne), and I might also take the train / Deutsche Bahn express bus to Prague for a later leg of this longer trip.
Assuming that the Deutsche Bahn rail pass does cover the extensive travel on the Frankfurt / Hesse S-bahn trips that I will be taking to the outlying FKKs, would it be good value for the money, or would I be better off buying my tickets individually?I may be wrong but most of the clubs are only half hour from Frankfurt. That's a 60 euro Uber or Cab at the most.
I may be wrong but most of the clubs are only half hour from Frankfurt. That's a 60 euro Uber or Cab at the most.Rent a car. If you are going to hop between clubs, car rental is cheaper for commuting and is convenient.
If you will spend multiple days at one club take a bus or train from the airport to get near to the club and rent a hotel nearby.
GringoItaliano
08-15-19, 15:28
Thank you to those of you that responded to my earlier inquiry regarding transportation for a Frankfurt-based FKK tour.
Another factor that I have been considering, as I continue to RTFF in preparation for my trip, is the wide range of nationalities among the FKK girls. I have seen many discussions of the degree to which some FKK girls may prefer certain nationalities, such as Asians or Turks, as their clients. Perhaps I missed it or I have not come across it in my RTFF thus far, but I have not seen as much discussion of which nationalities among the FKK girls the clients may prefer.
I was wondering if FKK vets / regulars have noticed any significant differences in the performances and other behaviors of the various nationalities among the girls in the clubs. In other words, in your experience, are there any nationalities that are more or less likely to give good service, or to engage in sharky / aggressive behavior, upselling, or scams?
Thank you to those of you that responded to my earlier inquiry regarding transportation for a Frankfurt-based FKK tour.
Another factor that I have been considering, as I continue to RTFF in preparation for my trip, is the wide range of nationalities among the FKK girls. I have seen many discussions of the degree to which some FKK girls may prefer certain nationalities, such as Asians or Turks, as their clients. Perhaps I missed it or I have not come across it in my RTFF thus far, but I have not seen as much discussion of which nationalities among the FKK girls the clients may prefer.
I was wondering if FKK vets / regulars have noticed any significant differences in the performances and other behaviors of the various nationalities among the girls in the clubs. In other words, in your experience, are there any nationalities that are more or less likely to give good service, or to engage in sharky / aggressive behavior, upselling, or scams?Hi,
I will give my views which you can safely disregard without injuring my feelings.
1. It is very difficult to generalize by nationality when it comes to sexual attraction, optics, service level, sharkiness, other behavioral traits relevant for this discussion.
2. In such matters, the only sensory and computing inputs that matter are your own eyes, ears and brain. What you read in these pages is of mild entertainment interest. Just make your own decisions based on what you see and hear from the girls.
3. A huge majority of girls are Romanian. Especially in the big clubs. It is Tough to avoid them completely, nor is it necessary nor wise to avoid them solely due to nationality.
Thank you to those of you that responded to my earlier inquiry regarding transportation for a Frankfurt-based FKK tour.
Another factor that I have been considering, as I continue to RTFF in preparation for my trip, is the wide range of nationalities among the FKK girls. I have seen many discussions of the degree to which some FKK girls may prefer certain nationalities, such as Asians or Turks, as their clients. Perhaps I missed it or I have not come across it in my RTFF thus far, but I have not seen as much discussion of which nationalities among the FKK girls the clients may prefer.
I was wondering if FKK vets / regulars have noticed any significant differences in the performances and other behaviors of the various nationalities among the girls in the clubs. In other words, in your experience, are there any nationalities that are more or less likely to give good service, or to engage in sharky / aggressive behavior, upselling, or scams?If you don't like Romanian girls, don't go to Oase, nor World. Few Germans at Sharks and Palace would be the best for non Romanians. FKK land, even at high level Globe or very expensive Aphrodisia Zurich city, 280 for 30 mn, is mostly Romania, and some are great GF in bed for me, more interesting in bed and for reactions than German girls for my tastes.
There is a very limited range of nationalities since the authorities started enforcing immigration rules. Basically all FKK workers are likely to be citizens of the EU (or on their way to getting citizenship).
Ethnicity is another matter. Some girls were born outside the EU and have secured a right to work, for example, by marrying a citizen or obtaining citizenship. So when you meet a "nigerian", "thai", "turk" and so on, chances are they are German nationals, and may even have been born in Germany.
My report about Sharks from the Sharks thread:
Rumours are renovations are completed within three weeks from start-up. So around 1st September? It for sure will be completed within start of the auto show (IAA Exhibition) which this year is from 12th till 22nd September. If not, it would be extreme mismanagement.Gents who are considering other clubs than Sharks due to renovation work should be aware there are also renovations taking place at World and Palace right now (should also be completed by the end of the month, but let's wait and see).
Personally I do not think gents should worry too much about renovations. If you are a big fan of a club and "must visit" now in August, then don't let renovation work destroy you plans.
Then again, if you are the worrying kind, then maybe it's time to be explorative and try something new? Renovations at Oase and Rom are completed this summer (Oase: Main room and garden furniture. Rom: Expansion of the garden.).
It's August, vacation period, with depleted line-ups as expected. Again, I would not worry to much. I have had great times at both Oase and Sharks within the last few weeks with at least 40- 60 girls in attendance any day of the week. That's more than enough for me. Palace is rumoured to have up to 30- 40 girls at peak times, but their lineup fluctuates a lot more. And; I cannot recommend an August visit to Palace prior to 8 pm. I have no up to date LU intel about Mainhattan and World unfortunelately. If you have, then please share.
In September everything changes. Summer is over. Fall and exhibition period is back. Renovations are hopefully completed. We should then also expect complete line-ups (back to normal).
I've been reading the discussion on Hessen clubs renovation. Let me chime in little bit. The quotes below are from the Sharks thread, but they can apply to any applicable club in general. It makes sense to discuss here.
I hope they improve air quality which is always bad (me as a smoker I think the air quality is bad! They got hatches and air circulation on the roof, but I guess nobody cares or they want to save some money (electricity).
And I also hope they put a self service soda pump outside the kitchen area so the customers can pull some soda-drinks themselves, just like in other clubs. The bar counter girls are so slow. The club would help themselves too if they would outsource the 0 Euro soda-drinker customers like me.Not only the soda pump outside, they should also add a self-serve coffee machine like the one in GT or the one in Manhattan dining area. I hate to wait in line asking for a cup of cappuccino every time I'm at Sharks or Oase. (I usually like to control the amount of milk I add to my cappuccino.) The coffee machines set up in GT or Manhattan are perfect.
They need to think about the food service. Whilst for me the food in Sharks is head and shoulders above most clubs (not Sukura Stuttgart), I arrived at the club today and there was nothing available at all from 3 pm to 5 pm when the fruit was put out. The main bbq took forever and didn't start till gone 5 pm. So 2 hours with no food in a club where entry fee includes food. Not great.
The smoke in the bar is also very heavy. I hope they install a smokers room like at Mainhattan so the rest of us who don't smoke can avoid the ingestion of cancer inducing smoke.
Since I visit, Sharks is the club which made biggest improvement with veranda for winter, beautiful garden with chalets with AC to enjoy girls in daylight in Summer. At a moment, were new rooms downstairs where massage now. They made new rooms upstairs, so never waited for long to get a free room ...
If they have any sense, in my opinion: They'll take that entire so-called "VIP Area" and re-construct the whole deck into a number of new rooms.While I agree with many of these suggestions, I'm surprised that no one even brought up the possibility of adding a sleeping room which is an integral part of daily mongering if you stay in the club for 8 hours or more. My goodness! No one seems to care about that? I have talked to many mongers who stayed in the club literally the whole freaking day. For those who stay in a club for 8+ hours, having that kind of room to sleep for few hours without any disruption is tremendously recuperating, especially if you want to do more than 3 shots a day. I have not even mentioned the benefit to the international mongers who travel half way around the world just to visit this type of clubs.
The two perfect references of sleeping rooms immediately come to my mind are the ones in Samya and in Oceans. Samya and Oceans sleeping rooms are excellent models for other clubs to imitate. Note that I don't consider the resting room in Oase a sleeping room, but I wouldn't mind a place to rest. You can rest in the Oase room, but you can not really technically sleep there because it's too bright and not noise insulated. Yes, I saw people sleeping there anyway (or at least trying to sleep), but the room ambiance is not designed for sleeping. Having said that, it's still better than nothing. You see. A sleeping room automatically is a resting room but not necessary the other way around. You see the difference there?
Is there a survey or customer suggesting box somewhere in Sharks or in any other club that we can provide some kind of feedback and suggestions of improvement? Is there someone we can bring this up to? I wish GT provides a sleeping room as well. Perhaps, I'm asking too much, but I digress. .
I have been wondering why none of the essen clubs have dedicated sleeping rooms. Even if the Oase room is some hybrid. In nrw you have several clubs with rooms dedicated to sleeping (samya, oceans, sixsense etc). The same has Wellcum in Austria.
I have been wondering why none of the essen clubs have dedicated sleeping rooms. Even if the Oase room is some hybrid. In nrw you have several clubs with rooms dedicated to sleeping (samya, oceans, sixsense etc). The same has Wellcum in Austria.Mainhattan in spa and Palace close to massage have quiet place to sleep. Sakura have relax room not allowed to girls. Andiamo behind inside swimming pool. Not so sure anymore for 6 ens NL when no free rooms.
Mainhattan in spa and Palace close to massage have quiet place to sleep. Sakura have relax room not allowed to girls. Andiamo behind inside swimming pool. Not so sure anymore for 6 ens NL when no free rooms.All your examples are just couches or chairs you can pull all the way back. Not dedicated sleeping rooms as I mentioned.
And 6 sense has one. But it is a little hard to find. I just stumbled upon it randomly. I don't think many people knows about it unless you are a local visiting the club a lot.
All your examples are just couches or chairs you can pull all the way back. Not dedicated sleeping rooms as I mentioned.
And 6 sense has one. But it is a little hard to find. I just stumbled upon it randomly. I don't think many people knows about it unless you are a local visiting the club a lot.At Mainhattan, I have my king size real bed to sleep in spa. No bed like this at Samya nor Oceans nor Wellcum, nor Sakura, nor Oase, nor 6 ens. I know the dark room in front of jacuzzi at 6 ens, I always visit whole place in clubs, to find the best place to stay, last time I was there, maybe because rooms were busy, but girls were on guys in this room.
Escape Artist
08-20-19, 13:56
All your examples are just couches or chairs you can pull all the way back. Not dedicated sleeping rooms as I mentioned.
And 6 sense has one. But it is a little hard to find. I just stumbled upon it randomly. I don't think many people knows about it unless you are a local visiting the club a lot.He's right about Sakura. It's probably actually the best sleep room of all the clubs that you guys mentioned.
He's right about Sakura. It's probably actually the best sleep room of all the clubs that you guys mentioned.Sakura's is a real sleeping room since it is dark and each couch is equipped with a pillow and a quilt.
He's right about Sakura. It's probably actually the best sleep room of all the clubs that you guys mentioned.OK, I've not been to Sakura, but its not in Hessen either, which was my initial point.
FkkNewbie1
08-20-19, 21:10
I was planning to go Oase, but looks like it's not that great anymore?
HungryStud101
08-20-19, 22:13
Thank you to those of you that responded to my earlier inquiry regarding transportation for a Frankfurt-based FKK tour.
Another factor that I have been considering, as I continue to RTFF in preparation for my trip, is the wide range of nationalities among the FKK girls. I have seen many discussions of the degree to which some FKK girls may prefer certain nationalities, such as Asians or Turks, as their clients. Perhaps I missed it or I have not come across it in my RTFF thus far, but I have not seen as much discussion of which nationalities among the FKK girls the clients may prefer.
I was wondering if FKK vets / regulars have noticed any significant differences in the performances and other behaviors of the various nationalities among the girls in the clubs. In other words, in your experience, are there any nationalities that are more or less likely to give good service, or to engage in sharky / aggressive behavior, upselling, or scams?I used to try to avoid Romanians. I no longer do. Funny thing is that I've found that some of the best girls I've been with are Romanians.
I still like to find the German girls and the Hungarians and I certainly like the Gacha and Colominiana at Sharks but if you are going to eliminate Romanians then maybe the German FKK scene is not for you? Try Brazil, Montreal, Colombia, or Thailand instead.
Also, in the days when I was avoiding Romanians, how many of the Italian girls were really Romanians that worked in Italy for a time? Probably one of the best two girls I met was an Italian at World back in the day.
Now a days I eliminate girls that won't kiss or give off a vibe that is too sharky or something like this. I'm willing to pay for a service like CIM or go for an hour date etc. I have my list ready of girls I'm looking for in a club upon touchdown. I also have had luck making friends with guys at the clubs and sharing experiences. They will tell you who to see and who to avoid. I also have my favorite clubs to which I have been a few times each in the last few years and I have a pretty good feeling. There are plenty of outstanding Romanian girls. The clubs would be empty without them.
The new guy always hits a road bump or two. Consider this an initiation. Learn a bit through the school of hard knocks. Pretty soon you will have an edge and they will not believe they can take advantage of you.
Kosher Kowboy wrote a report last year. I think it was about Oase or was it Palace? Never say this is your first time. There were some trigger words.
SW: "First time?
Hobbyist: "No. I've been coming here since 89. ".
SW: "It wasn't here in 89. It was built in 1995. ".
Hobbyist: "I meant 98. ".
SW: "You don't look familiar. ".
Hobbyist: "I've had a makeover. What do you think?
I don't no how true this is but if they sense that you just fell of the back of the turn-up truck they will take advantage of you. But that doesn't mean you can haggle with every girl either. I tried this and just pissed a few girls off (see my report on Gina at Sharks). There is a middle ground. I've found it and re-approached Gina at a later date and used a different strategy and it was heaven."
PS - I'm hearing good things about Sakura. Good to sleep and good food? That's all fine and good. How about the pussy? A friend of mine (that is a member of this forum) has invited me to join him there my next trip and I plan to explore. I'm looking forward to it. He likes Gina too so I'm going to explore with a friend which ought to help me avoid being the Gringo Cash Machine (that's what I call myself as a tourist in Brazil).
I was planning to go Oase, but looks like it's not that great anymore?There are still some great girls at Oase. A few won't like it if you only go for the minimum 50, but I can think of at least 5+ great girls there who also has very good looks. Maybe more if you haven't got any drama in your baggage from the place already. LOL. Last time I was pleasantly surprised by a slim brunette named Leyla. I didn't expect the world in service, but she killed it! It was a slow Monday though. And not many guys not girls around.
OK, I've not been to Sakura, but its not in Hessen either, which was my initial point.Best bed for sleeping for me is in Mainhattan spa.
Smoke Light
08-22-19, 01:03
Good points Pessimist. It is also common in FKK clubs that if girls learn that a client is Romanian, the knowledge spreads quickly and all Romanian girls would avoid him. Similar with Bulgarians. Generally, different nationalities are attracted to each nicely in clubs, aside from girls sharking Asian guys. Girls describe most Asian tourists as very shy and some take advantage of them.
HungryStud101
08-22-19, 02:36
There are still some great girls at Oase. A few won't like it if you only go for the minimum 50, but I can think of at least 5+ great girls there who also has very good looks. Maybe more if you haven't got any drama in your baggage from the place already. LOL. Last time I was pleasantly surprised by a slim brunette named Leyla. I didn't expect the world in service, but she killed it! It was a slow Monday though. And not many guys not girls around.Leyla, eh?
Las time I was there was 2017. It was my first time in FKK land after a 5-year hiatus. Oase was my favorite club and I had made 5-6 visits between 2010 and 2012. The service level dropped off significantly over 5-years. I was really disappointed.
I'm thinking about giving it another try this fall.
ExpatLover
08-22-19, 04:57
I used to try to avoid Romanians. I no longer do. Funny thing is that I've found that some of the best girls I've been with are Romanians.
I still like to find the German girls and the Hungarians and I certainly like the Gacha and Colominiana at Sharks but if you are going to eliminate Romanians then maybe the German FKK scene is not for you? Try Brazil, Montreal, Colombia, or Thailand instead.
Also, in the days when I was avoiding Romanians, how many of the Italian girls were really Romanians that worked in Italy for a time? Probably one of the best two girls I met was an Italian at World back in the day.
Now a days I eliminate girls that won't kiss or give off a vibe that is too sharky or something like this. I'm willing to pay for a service like CIM or go for an hour date etc. I have my list ready of girls I'm looking for in a club upon touchdown. I also have had luck making friends with guys at the clubs and sharing experiences. They will tell you who to see and who to avoid. I also have my favorite clubs to which I have been a few times each in the last few years and I have a pretty good feeling. There are plenty of outstanding Romanian girls. The clubs would be empty without them.Sakura? In 2 years, 5 visits 0 room, my last visit was this July, not one young and fresh girl there, had BBQ outside so easy to see the girls in the day light, for me not 1 girl pretty enough for a room. Premises are very modern and clean, food is one of the best but poor LU, maximum 25 girls.
I was planning to go Oase, but looks like it's not that great anymore?I was in Oase last Friday and Saturday both. I can tell you for sure its way down and I love that place so was very disappointed.
But was told on here that August is always bad I wish I'd had planned better but am coming back in October.
Ill be in Frankfurt again this Friday only before I fly out Where else should I try I don't care if there is a shortage of girls as I just want some really hot ones.
And love Romanians.
GringoItaliano
08-22-19, 18:46
I used to try to avoid Romanians. I no longer do. Funny thing is that I've found that some of the best girls I've been with are Romanians.
I still like to find the German girls and the Hungarians and I certainly like the Gacha and Colominiana at Sharks but if you are going to eliminate Romanians then maybe the German FKK scene is not for you? Try Brazil, Montreal, Colombia, or Thailand instead.
Also, in the days when I was avoiding Romanians, how many of the Italian girls were really Romanians that worked in Italy for a time? Probably one of the best two girls I met was an Italian at World back in the day.
What was it that led you to try to avoid Romanians? And what was it that led you to change your mind about them?
ExpatLover
08-22-19, 21:23
I was in Oase last Friday and Saturday both. I can tell you for sure its way down and I love that place so was very disappointed.
But was told on here that August is always bad I wish I'd had planned better but am coming back in October.
Ill be in Frankfurt again this Friday only before I fly out Where else should I try I don't care if there is a shortage of girls as I just want some really hot ones.
And love Romanians.Summer months are not good for large LU, nothing positive to expect on this front before the IAA and even 2015 and 2017 the LU were not great in September in all the big clubs. For me the best LU are always in the 1st semester.
What other European countries that have a similar structure to FKK. I usually travel to Frankfurt twice a year for 2-3 days spending 8-12 hours a day in FKKs averaging about 4 to 7 girls per day. Having access to showers, towels, lockers, and 50-70 girls makes my trip really easy and organized.
HungryStud101
08-23-19, 04:47
What was it that led you to try to avoid Romanians? And what was it that led you to change your mind about them?I started coming in 2010 and I heard the rumors about the Romanians. Back then it was possible to avoid them. I would preferentially seek out the Germans, Hungarians, and Latin American girls. I did see a few Romanians and Moldavians and honestly, they were OK, and as I said some of the Italians and Spanish girls were probably Romanians anyway. I started coming back again in 2017 and noticed that there were less and less Germans and Hungarians available so I spent less time trying to find a non-Romanian and more time just trying to interview girls and find the ones I liked. I've had a lot of great service from RO girls.
Incidentally, Has anyone ever seen Larry David's show on HBO called "CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM?" Larry David is the Co-Creator of the Seinfeld show. He also was the inspiration behind the character of George Costanza. Anyway, in Season 9 episode 7 Larry gets into it with a Romanian Uber driver and argues that Romanian women are ugly. I'v seen this episode more than once and every time I see it and Larry argues Romanian women are ugly I want to say "Fuck You Larry. " Romania keeps the FKKs Stocked with beautiful, fuckable women.
ExpatLover
08-23-19, 05:05
I started coming in 2010 and I heard the rumors about the Romanians. Back then it was possible to avoid them. I would preferentially seek out the Germans, Hungarians, and Latin American girls. I did see a few Romanians and Moldavians and honestly, they were OK, and as I said some of the Italians and Spanish girls were probably Romanians anyway. I started coming back again in 2017 and noticed that there were less and less Germans and Hungarians available so I spent less time trying to find a non-Romanian and more time just trying to interview girls and find the ones I liked. I've had a lot of great service from RO girls.
Incidentally, Has anyone ever seen Larry David's show on HBO called "CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM?" Larry David is the Co-Creator of the Seinfeld show. He also was the inspiration behind the character of George Costanza. Anyway, in Season 9 episode 7 Larry gets into it with a Romanian Uber driver and argues that Romanian women are ugly. I'v seen this episode more than once and every time I see it and Larry argues Romanian women are ugly I want to say "Fuck You Larry. " Romania keeps the FKKs Stocked with beautiful, fuckable women.Only guys who has no knowledge of European history can see a difference between Romanian, German, Spanish people, all belong to the same civilization the christian one which build what we name Occident including Australia, NZ. I don t care about the color of the skin, the origin, the religion I only care about what the people have inside their head, I only go with Romanian girl, I don t like the German one just because may be I am half German and I can too easily understand how stupidly most of the girls are speaking.
Ludacris775
08-23-19, 15:13
I started coming in 2010 and I heard the rumors about the Romanians. Back then it was possible to avoid them. I would preferentially seek out the Germans, Hungarians, and Latin American girls. I did see a few Romanians and Moldavians and honestly, they were OK, and as I said some of the Italians and Spanish girls were probably Romanians anyway. I started coming back again in 2017 and noticed that there were less and less Germans and Hungarians available so I spent less time trying to find a non-Romanian and more time just trying to interview girls and find the ones I liked. I've had a lot of great service from RO girls.
Incidentally, Has anyone ever seen Larry David's show on HBO called "CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM?" Larry David is the Co-Creator of the Seinfeld show. He also was the inspiration behind the character of George Costanza. Anyway, in Season 9 episode 7 Larry gets into it with a Romanian Uber driver and argues that Romanian women are ugly. I'v seen this episode more than once and every time I see it and Larry argues Romanian women are ugly I want to say "Fuck You Larry. " Romania keeps the FKKs Stocked with beautiful, fuckable women."He argues Romanian women are ugly" LOL, seriously where has he been? I've generally found the opposite to be true. I've seen a lot more hot Romanian girls than ugly ones.
BigBuddy69
08-23-19, 16:22
There are obvious differences between Romanian, Hungarian, German, Spanish, French people. Even physically speaking. It doesn't mean one nationality is better than the others.
HungryStud101
08-24-19, 01:40
"He argues Romanian women are ugly" LOL, seriously where has he been? I've generally found the opposite to be true. I've seen a lot more hot Romanian girls than ugly ones.LD is foolish. He has obviously not been to an FKK.
Don't worry Larry David gets his. The Romanian Uber driver gives Larry a 1 and no Uber driver will pick him up. It costs him sex with his lady friend because he cannot get to their rendezvous site.
"He argues Romanian women are ugly" LOL, seriously where has he been? I've generally found the opposite to be true. I've seen a lot more hot Romanian girls than ugly ones.He must have missed out indeed. LOL!
There are obvious differences between Romanian, Hungarian, German, Spanish, French people. Even physically speaking. It doesn't mean one nationality is better than the others.Agreed. If one looks at facial types alone, certain facial shapes and features tend to be found more in certain areas, even within countries, than others. Of course, with increasing travel this is becoming less so. But one can still often guess country of origin with some success. Everybody may be of equal worth but everybody is not the same.
Only guys who has no knowledge of European history can see a difference between Romanian, German, Spanish people, all belong to the same civilization the christian one which build what we name Occident including Australia, NZ. I don t care about the color of the skin, the origin, the religion I only care about what the people have inside their head, I only go with Romanian girl, I don t like the German one just because may be I am half German and I can too easily understand how stupidly most of the girls are speaking.From my experiences in FKK land, now when a beauty tells me she is Romanian, sounds like a quality for me, like if she told me: I will try to please You. Romanians are much more interesting for me as women than German girls in FKK who are really not high level for most. I like when Romanians tell me they are from Craiova or Timisoara or Brasov or even Cluj, not Constanza or Bucarest city bullshit. Some who lived or worked in Spain or Italy prefer to try to be different, when Romanians are higher level for me than Spanish or disappointing Italian girls in FKK land. Not same sensuality and sophisticated for Bulgarians, only Latvians who are sweet Russians, can compete for me, but usually, in FKK land, Latvians and Russians are not so pretty than Romanians. Olga. Ru at Wellcum is not pretty. For me, we are very lucky to have Romanian beauties, even beauties are rare for me, in FKK land.
I just read press release of a general action by authorities in a large town to enforce prostitution laws. Whilst all the women found had the appropriate papers, the authorities have said they will be taking further action against a business owner as the lack of condoms on the premises meant the owner was not taking necessary steps to ensure the 2017 law is complied with.
As has previously suggested, action against owners of premises is the only practicable way of ensuring widespread compliance with the condom requirements of the law. As far as I know this is the first major enforcement action.
I am not clear if the investigators searched the waste bins or not, but it sounds like it. I can't believe a premises had no unopened condoms lying around
https://www.koblenz.de/rathaus/verwaltung/pressemeldungen/sondereinsatz-prostitutionsbetriebe-und-sperrgebiet/
Link related to my post.
Prices have risen in Goldentime Vienna. Now Euro 70 for every 30 minutes (excluding extras) 2368597.
Polyamorist
09-12-19, 22:23
I am not clear if the investigators searched the waste bins or not, but it sounds like it. I can't believe a premises had no unopened condoms lying aroundPerhaps they will get condom-sniffing dogs. Call them Hot Dogs, or Koblenzers, or Gummi Schnauzers, or whatever. The only danger is that dogs might insist that type of work is too low for them and that the regular Polizei should handle it.
But if they really wanted to help, they would fly airplanes over FKKs and drop packages of condoms. As opposed to trying to catch people out, which seems to be the German way.
FictionalSpace
09-13-19, 00:06
FKK newbie questions. I've read the forum, but can't seem to sniff out this info.
I have a long layover in Frankfurt coming up on a Sunday. I've been debating hitting Sharks, Oase, or Palace. ***. Now, my questions:
1. I'the love to catch a nap during my layover. Would it be strange / unacceptable to doze off in the club for a while?
2. Is storing a carryon-size piece of luggage possible at any of these clubs? If not I can leave it at the airport. Just not sure what to expect.
3. I potentially have 6-8 hours of free time at a club. If I intend to have 1-2 sessions depending on the quality of the lineup, is it okay to hang around for that long? It sounds like an ideal place to kill that much time, but I don't want to be the freeloader.
Thanks for the assistance!
FKK newbie questions. I've read the forum, but can't seem to sniff out this info.
I have a long layover in Frankfurt coming up on a Sunday. I've been debating hitting Sharks, Oase, or Palace. ***. Now, my questions:
1. I'the love to catch a nap during my layover. Would it be strange / unacceptable to doze off in the club for a while?
2. Is storing a carryon-size piece of luggage possible at any of these clubs? If not I can leave it at the airport. Just not sure what to expect.
3. I potentially have 6-8 hours of free time at a club. If I intend to have 1-2 sessions depending on the quality of the lineup, is it okay to hang around for that long? It sounds like an ideal place to kill that much time, but I don't want to be the freeloader.
Thanks for the assistance!Hi,
You can sleep at the club as much as you want. Girls might disturb you rudely, but yes you can sleep. Also, you can store a carry-on. As for freeloading, no such thing. You can come in at club open and stay till close if you want. 6 to 8 hours is not a long time by any means, most flying tourists stay for much longer as many of us go to Frankfurt just for the clubs. Have fun.
I just read press release of a general action by authorities in a large town to enforce prostitution laws. Whilst all the women found had the appropriate papers, the authorities have said they will be taking further action against a business owner as the lack of condoms on the premises meant the owner was not taking necessary steps to ensure the 2017 law is complied with.
As has previously suggested, action against owners of premises is the only practicable way of ensuring widespread compliance with the condom requirements of the law. As far as I know this is the first major enforcement action.
I am not clear if the investigators searched the waste bins or not, but it sounds like it. I can't believe a premises had no unopened condoms lying aroundI think you are misinterpreting the report. It sounds like there was either the lack of signs requiring condoms and / or the fact that they did not have a supply of condoms readily available. If you look at the front desk of Sharks they have a bowl at the counter.
FuckedUpSwede
09-13-19, 11:20
FKK newbie questions. I've read the forum, but can't seem to sniff out this info.
I have a long layover in Frankfurt coming up on a Sunday. I've been debating hitting Sharks, Oase, or Palace. ***. Now, my questions:
1. I'the love to catch a nap during my layover. Would it be strange / unacceptable to doze off in the club for a while?
2. Is storing a carryon-size piece of luggage possible at any of these clubs? If not I can leave it at the airport. Just not sure what to expect.
3. I potentially have 6-8 hours of free time at a club. If I intend to have 1-2 sessions depending on the quality of the lineup, is it okay to hang around for that long? It sounds like an ideal place to kill that much time, but I don't want to be the freeloader.
Thanks for the assistance!1. Yes, it is in fact very common that mongers take a nap in the porn kino or relax area. I have heard about specially dedicated rooms for this in some FKK but never experienced it myself.
2. Probably, would maybe be a security / responsibility issue.
3. A FKK is primary a place for relax, that is what they are supposed to be selling you. The girls are a bonus. I have never experienced any staff in a FKK to rush me in any way. The girls however can put some comments if you have no sessions at all. 2 sessions in 8 hours is quite normal for me. I sometimes spend 12 hours with one session without anyone complaining. It may be a bit boring in small FKK: s if you do not find someone to chat with so remeber to bring a good book!
Leave your bag at the airport. Easy, no worries.
Mainhattan has a nice relax area where the girls don't bother you. If relax is your primary focus, this is a good choice. But its pricier these days and the lineup said not to be so good now.
Sharks is easy from the airport with bus to Darmstadt leaving every half hour. Taxi to Sharks 11 E.
FKK newbie questions. I've read the forum, but can't seem to sniff out this info.
I have a long layover in Frankfurt coming up on a Sunday. I've been debating hitting Sharks, Oase, or Palace. ***. Now, my questions:
1. I'the love to catch a nap during my layover. Would it be strange / unacceptable to doze off in the club for a while?
2. Is storing a carryon-size piece of luggage possible at any of these clubs? If not I can leave it at the airport. Just not sure what to expect.
3. I potentially have 6-8 hours of free time at a club. If I intend to have 1-2 sessions depending on the quality of the lineup, is it okay to hang around for that long? It sounds like an ideal place to kill that much time, but I don't want to be the freeloader.
Thanks for the assistance!
Prices have risen in Goldentime Vienna. Now Euro 70 for every 30 minutes (excluding extras) 2368597.Before it was 60 with upselling, maybe why GT Vienna is falling and girls leaving, some to Germany.
Perhaps they will get condom-sniffing dogs. Call them Hot Dogs, or Koblenzers, or Gummi Schnauzers, or whatever. The only danger is that dogs might insist that type of work is too low for them and that the regular Polizei should handle it.
But if they really wanted to help, they would fly airplanes over FKKs and drop packages of condoms. As opposed to trying to catch people out, which seems to be the German way.
:D
Another option would be for the authorities to train the dogs to sniff the pussies and mouths and point when they found one without a rubber smell. Maybe the dogs might even need to lick in order to be sure.
FKK newbie questions. I've read the forum, but can't seem to sniff out this info.
I have a long layover in Frankfurt coming up on a Sunday. I've been debating hitting Sharks, Oase, or Palace. ***. Now, my questions:
1. I'the love to catch a nap during my layover. Would it be strange / unacceptable to doze off in the club for a while?
2. Is storing a carryon-size piece of luggage possible at any of these clubs? If not I can leave it at the airport. Just not sure what to expect.
3. I potentially have 6-8 hours of free time at a club. If I intend to have 1-2 sessions depending on the quality of the lineup, is it okay to hang around for that long? It sounds like an ideal place to kill that much time, but I don't want to be the freeloader.
Thanks for the assistance!1. Nap as much as you want.
2. Easiest to leave luggage at the airport. It is efficient and not expensive.
3. You pay between 50 and 65 euros to enter. For that the world is your oyster. You have paid and in return get food, sauna, and relaxation. Using electronic devices is generally not allowed, so you may want to take printed material. You are definitely not required to go to a room with a girl. You are the potential buyer and have no obligation.
FictionalSpace
09-13-19, 18:41
1. Nap as much as you want.
2. Easiest to leave luggage at the airport. It is efficient and not expensive.
3. You pay between 50 and 65 euros to enter. For that the world is your oyster. You have paid and in return get food, sauna, and relaxation. Using electronic devices is generally not allowed, so you may want to take printed material. You are definitely not required to go to a room with a girl. You are the potential buyer and have no obligation.Fantastic. Thank you. Sounds like exactly what I was hoping for.
FKK newbie questions. I've read the forum, but can't seem to sniff out this info.
I have a long layover in Frankfurt coming up on a Sunday. I've been debating hitting Sharks, Oase, or Palace. ***. Now, my questions:
1. I'the love to catch a nap during my layover. Would it be strange / unacceptable to doze off in the club for a while?
2. Is storing a carryon-size piece of luggage possible at any of these clubs? If not I can leave it at the airport. Just not sure what to expect.
3. I potentially have 6-8 hours of free time at a club. If I intend to have 1-2 sessions depending on the quality of the lineup, is it okay to hang around for that long? It sounds like an ideal place to kill that much time, but I don't want to be the freeloader.
Thanks for the assistance!Thank you, Fiction, for your really good questions. You will get a variety of answers on some of your points, but I seriously believe you should seek the advise from some of the board's most well-informed, up-to-date posters. You should PM guys like Tintin, Expat Lover, LaBambaBoy , Fucked Up Swede and Gino. These guys possess a really good grasp of what's going on week to week at these clubs. I really rely on their reports to "keep me in the game" psychologically at least, whilst I am absent. If for some reason you don't have PM service to these gentlemen, just pay the modest subscription of this site and you get automatic PM services. I hope we get more posts about your fundamental, yet quite interesting questions.
With baited breathe.
O.
Der Auslander
09-14-19, 19:10
FKK newbie questions. I've read the forum, but can't seem to sniff out this info.
I have a long layover in Frankfurt coming up on a Sunday. I've been debating hitting Sharks, Oase, or Palace. ***. Now, my questions:
1. I'the love to catch a nap during my layover. Would it be strange / unacceptable to doze off in the club for a while?
2. Is storing a carryon-size piece of luggage possible at any of these clubs? If not I can leave it at the airport. Just not sure what to expect.
3. I potentially have 6-8 hours of free time at a club. If I intend to have 1-2 sessions depending on the quality of the lineup, is it okay to hang around for that long? It sounds like an ideal place to kill that much time, but I don't want to be the freeloader.
Thanks for the assistance!Thank you, Fictional, for your questions. Not so sure I can very easily sniff out some answers for you, but I would hazard to write the following:
1. Sure, you can nap in these clubs but easier to rest in Oase where they have a dedicated rest area.
2. Best place is possibly in a locker at the airport. Saves all that lugging around. Don't want to tire yourself out before all the rumpty pumpty in the clubs!
3. Once you pay your entry fee you are entitled to stay in these clubs until closing. Not to be sniffed at to coin a phrase!
Definitely worth purchasing a subscription to ISG and be in a position to send and receive messages with other members. It's really good value and only $25. Something else not to be sniffed at!
Some names have already been suggested to you as being top contacts with outstanding German FKK / Sauna Club knowledge. It's hard to argue with these super suggestions. One would have to be psycho to disagree that the suggested individual are not well-informed and up-to-date. However, in addition to these handles, I would definitely have to add to this most illustrious list, the names of Pessimist, Pksimar69, Memphis10, Ludacris775 and also must mention Pokerweisbaden and Omar Rap. Great guys, ever so helpful and a great crew. You should seek advice from any or all of the above. These guys have forgotten more about German FKK / Sauna Clubs than most of us could ever expect to know. Its thanks to the guys above and the guys mentioned in a previous post that this Board is in such great shape. Informative posts and great reports which you can absolutely rely on.
Thanks again for these straightforward questions. I hope you will repay us all by reporting back about your forthcoming super splendid adventure. I really look forward to reading ever so very much.
:D
Thank you, Fictional, for your questions. Not so sure I can very easily sniff out some answers for you, but I would hazard to write the following:
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Some names have already been suggested to you as being top contacts with outstanding German FKK / Sauna Club knowledge. It's hard to argue with these super suggestions. One would have to be psycho to disagree that the suggested individual are not well-informed and up-to-date. However, in addition to these handles, I would definitely have to add to this most illustrious list, the names of Pessimist, Pksimar69, Memphis10, Ludacris775 and also must mention Pokerweisbaden and Omar Rap. Great guys, ever so helpful and a great crew. You should seek advice from any or all of the above. These guys have forgotten more about German FKK / Sauna Clubs than most of us could ever expect to know. Its thanks to the guys above and the guys mentioned in a previous post that this Board is in such great shape. Informative posts and great reports which you can absolutely rely on.
Thanks again for these straightforward questions. I hope you will repay us all by reporting back about your forthcoming super splendid adventure. I really look forward to reading ever so very much.Thank you Mr. Aus Lander. You are too modest and kind. I am pretty sure that every monger who has been to these clubs knows that they should read the reviews of Aus Lander, KK, and Optimist before setting foot in any club. It is very well known to mongers (and punters) all over the world that you three gentlemen have written the FKK bible and most men would be clueless in the clubs if not for your invaluable advice, expressed in more than 10,000 comments over 10+ years. Gino, or PK or FUS or myself have been blessed with far fewer posts, and we are just following the footsteps of you three gentlemen. Well, I guess Gino is more experienced because he has been writing since 2004 per some recent discussion. I myself have been posting for just a few months but nevertheless appreciate your kindness in unwittingly putting my name next to more senior members like Gino and PK.
Thank you Mr. Aus Lander. You are too modest and kind. I am pretty sure that every monger who has been to these clubs knows that they should read the reviews of Aus Lander, KK, and Optimist before setting foot in any club. It is very well known to mongers (and punters) all over the world that you three gentlemen have written the FKK bible and most men would be clueless in the clubs if not for your invaluable advice, expressed in more than 10,000 comments over 10+ years. Gino, or PK or FUS or myself have been blessed with far fewer posts, and we are just following the footsteps of you three gentlemen. Well, I guess Gino is more experienced because he has been writing since 2004 per some recent discussion. I myself have been posting for just a few months but nevertheless appreciate your kindness in unwittingly putting my name next to more senior members like Gino and PK.As for number of posts: It a'int the size that counts, if you catch my drift.
Also, since you are singing the praises (deservedly so) of foundation posters like Auslander, KK, and Optimist, let's not forget other members of our Hall of Fame: Basketcase (my personal pick for G. O. A. T.) and Bitumen and others. And others. So many experts have shown us the light!
As for number of posts: It a'int the size that counts, if you catch my drift.
Also, since you are singing the praises (deservedly so) of foundation posters like Auslander, KK, and Optimist, let's not forget other members of our Hall of Fame: Basketcase (my personal pick for G. O. A. T.) and Bitumen and others. And others. So many experts have shown us the light!I think it is fair to say we are all catching lots of drifts and drafts.
The forum rules say it is not legal to explicitly discourage other users from posting. Any forum I have been a part of has become richer and more useful when the number of contributors increased over time and all members were encouraged to give their input. For some reason, *a few members* have chosen to take the opposite stance and been trying very hard to suppress the voices and expression of members with strange aspersions. I just hope that does not have any detrimental impact on the ISG forum as it is the best English language medium for information and discussion on paid sex.
I do not know Basketcase and Bitumen, probably contributors before my time. I have seen your own posts Mr. Ortos and I sincerely would say they are of very high quality, along with Mr Tank Tank and a few others.
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BigBuddy69
09-15-19, 08:01
The size doesn't count but the sum does.
Ortos. Yes, it is interesting that some members streak across the sky like comets. I remember London Basketcase and his posts, even though I never (knowingly) met him. The same with Yakob, and Bitumen. Members who suddenly appear, fill the skies and then are gone. Nick the G reported in this forum last November that London Basketcase had been re-incarnated under another name at Sharks so maybe I will be fortunate enough to meet these illustrious names someday
Some other posters, who I knew personally, have also left the forum. Dedalus, the greatest wit of all time, Vito, IrishPussyman. And of course, the kind Novize, who enabled my favourite worker of all time to enter World.
Maybe I should also recognise that the forum has moved on, and that my posts now have little in them to help new members. Every dog has its day. :D
Ortos. Yes, it is interesting that some members streak across the sky like comets.
Some other posters, who I knew personally, have also left the forum. Dedalus, the greatest wit of all time, Vito, IrishPussyman. And of course, the kind Novize, who enabled my favourite worker of all time to enter World.
Maybe I should also recognise that the forum has moved on, and that my posts now have little in them to help new members. Every dog has its day. :DYes, you certainly are an avid FKK-poster historian.
Novice: Hey, now there's a name we ain't heard in many moons. You remember correctly that he was a regular weekend guest, almost exclusively at World (in that club's best years, imo). Ironically, Novice lived in Darmstadt at the time, a time when Sharks was not yet even conceived as an idea, much less a reality.
Funny the passage of time. I did keep in touch with Dedalus, until, oh, about 4 years ago or so. I last saw him at Sharks in the summertime in the garden. I believe he moved on from these clubs entirely. But then you wonder: once you've been "a player" in FKK clubs, minor, medium or major player, can you ever really rule out going for another visit at some point in your future life? Well at least he was not like his mythological son, Ikaros, who with wings made of feathers and wax got too enthusiastic (the Gods thought he was arrogant) by flying close to the sun, which melted his wax and he fell to a watery death plunging into the Aegean. There's actually and island named after him: Ikaria. Kind of like a guy who does too many Zimmer sessions and his scrotum explodes. Something like that!
But thanks for the trip down memory (posters Hall of Fame) lane!
FuckedUpSwede
09-15-19, 21:17
Thank you, Fiction, for your really good questions. You will get a variety of answers on some of your points, but I seriously believe you should seek the advise from some of the board's most well-informed, up-to-date posters. You should PM guys like Tintin, Expat Lover, LaBambaBoy , Fucked Up Swede and Gino. These guys possess a really good grasp of what's going on week to week at these clubs. I really rely on their reports to "keep me in the game" psychologically at least, whilst I am absent. If for some reason you don't have PM service to these gentlemen, just pay the modest subscription of this site and you get automatic PM services. I hope we get more posts about your fundamental, yet quite interesting questions.
With baited breathe.
O.Thank you Ortos!
To be honest I mostly write because of selfishness and I have only been mongering for about 1 year so I have limited, but recent, experience. Writing is a way to keep my sanity. Who could I possibly share this madness with if not my fellow mongers? I feel a urge to talk about it and I have a clear view of what would happen if I brought the subject up during the coffe break at my office. The same would be true among most of my friends. I have brought a friend two times, and got him hooked, but he do not live the same life as me with constant travel so most of the time I am by myself.
Next week I will probably be in Hamburg again, because of a meeting, and I will probably try to combine this meeting with "sex, drugs and rock and roll" as always. I have only visited 2 FKK: s there so far and there are some interesting places on my bucket list. Hamburg is a bit of "best of two worlds" for me. Some interesting FKK: s and a lot of techno clubs. Happy mongering and stay classy!
GringoItaliano
09-24-19, 15:06
I make a point of sampling different mongering destinations to broaden my horizons and see if I like any new places as much as or more than ones that I already know. My overseas mongering up to this point had been mostly in Latin America, with a bit in Southeast Asia and one trip to Amsterdam. German FKKs remained a major gap in my experience that I decided to fill. I am glad that I did so, as this Frankfurt-based FKK tour was one of my best overseas mongering experiences thus far, despite significant downsides. I will be adding FKKs to my regular rotation for future trips. This post is an overview of my FKK tour; I will also be posting reviews of the FKKs that I visited.
Why I went there.
I had read mixed reviews about German FKKs and identified strong pros and cons. Selling points included: the Eastern European talent pool, for which Eastern Europeans in my native New York had whetted my appetite; the visual quality of the lineups; the female nudity; reports of strong oral skills; and the chance to monger in the safety and comfort of a highly developed country with more culture and sightseeing. The last point was key for me, as I prefer multifaceted travel experiences and need downtime to rest my dick and recharge my libido. I had visited Berlin and Munich before I discovered overseas mongering. I took more of a liking to Germany than other European countries, and I hoped to return someday to explore western parts of Germany, which fit very well with my FKK itinerary.
There are nonetheless significant downsides to German FKKs, which were almost enough to deter me. Jet lag is a non-trivial factor for North American mongers used to similar time zones in Latin America. Many FKKs are in remote locations (from the perspective of an urbanite like me) and can be time-consuming, inconvenient, or expensive to reach via public transportation. Total costs are higher than in Third World destinations (except maybe Brazil), and high FKK cover charges impose significant costs before one even pays for a session. More importantly, much of what I had read about the aggressive behavior of the girls, particularly unsolicited approaches and frequent upsell, led me to wonder if it was worth the cost and hassle. Germany's 2017 law requiring the use of condoms even for blowjobs had initially led me to rule out FKKs altogether, as CBJ is generally a deal breaker for me. I put FKKs back on my agenda when I learned that BBBJ is still widely available, as enforcement of the law is weak.
Planning.
I decided to do my first FKK tour from a hotel base in Frankfurt for both mongering and non-mongering reasons. Frankfurt is a major transportation hub internationally and within Germany. I found a reasonably priced overnight Delta flight from JFK into Frankfurt. I stayed at Hamburger Hof, one of a few reasonably priced hotels right across the street from the main Frankfurt train station. Frankfurt was in the middle of other places that I wanted to visit for non-mongering reasons (Heidelberg, Wurzburg, Cologne, and Worms) via train rides of an hour or so. I bought a Deutsche Bahn rail pass for non-Europeans, which was a great investment, as buying individual tickets would have cost a lot more.
The Frankfurt area FKKs seemed to be the most popular and highly regarded among foreigners. Sharks and Oase seemed to be the most highly regarded of those Frankfurt area FKKs and were thus top priorities. Palace and Mainhattan made it onto my list due to their greater accessibility within Frankfurt. I considered World but decided against it due to mixed reviews and its inconvenient location. I considered Rom and Atlanta but decided against them due to limited and lukewarm reporting. Dietzenbach had originally been on my agenda for its BBFS. I later decided against it once I was on the ground due to the combination of lower visual quality in its lineup and because the service in the other FKKs worked out so well for me that BBFS was no longer a priority (I will explain below). I also went to FKK Samya in Cologne because I visited that city for non-mongering reasons, and I wanted to try an FKK outside the heavier foreign influence in the Frankfurt area. Samya seemed to be the most highly regarded FKK in or around Cologne, rivaling the Frankfurt area FKKs in popularity among foreigners.
The Talent Pool.
The visual quality of the talent in these FKKs was among the highest that I have seen anywhere in my view, only Brazil and Colombia can compete with them. The female nudity is another advantage; it enables thorough inspection of the merchandise before deciding and provides visual stimulation between sessions. The talent pool was remarkable not only for the stunners but also for its overall average quality; mediocre girls were few in number. These FKKs clearly have good quality control.
With that said, the prevailing tastes among whoever is responsible for the lineups at these FKKs clearly differ from mine and run quite a bit skinnier than I would have liked. A good set of tits & ass was harder to come by, compared to my usual haunts in Latin America. I presume that this selection of body types reflects both the genetic heritage of the largely Eastern European lineups and the preferences of the largely European and East Asian clientele. The high quality of the lineups nonetheless made it easier to venture outside my comfort zone, and I adjusted to what appears to be the prevailing aesthetic.
What these FKKs lacked in diversity of body types they made up for in ethnic diversity, including facial features and skin, hair, and eye colors. Romanians were clearly the largest group. Most of them were on the darker end of the color spectrum, but I encountered a few lighter blondes too. One of my preferred nationalities turned out to be Hungarians, many of whom appeared to be lighter blondes, and Moldovans, who seemed to be a mix of the lighter and darker types. There were also more than a few Ukrainians and even a few Russians, which I did not expect to find; they were mostly on the lighter and more Nordic end of the spectrum. Curiously, I encountered only one Czech and one Bulgarian; I had expected them to be more common. Other outliers included a few Serbians, Greeks, and Africans, and even one Iranian. I did not encounter a single native / ethnic German girl. I had hoped for more of the lighter blonde types and fewer of the darker Romanians. I have had so many Latinas over the years and wanted a change from the darker types with more of the lighter blondes, of which I would have expected to find more in Germany, of all places. Also, some of the darker Romanians had almost South Asian-looking facial features, perhaps due to Gypsy genetic heritage, which I found rather unappealing.
The Service.
FKK girls can definitely be aggressive, but on average I did not find them more aggressive than their counterparts in Latin America, which was what I expected based on what I had read online. I would argue instead that their aggressiveness merely manifested itself in different ways. A greater proportion of the total aggressiveness seemed to be concentrated in a smaller number of girls. One lesson that I learned in my previous experience is to avoid the first girl (or a pair of girls, often proposing a threesome) that approaches me immediately after entering a mongering venue, especially when I am new to that venue. Such girls are usually sharks hungry for fresh meat and low-hanging fruit. In a typical Latin American venue, one or two such girls might approach immediately upon one's arrival, and others will approach intermittently over the course of an evening. In these FKKs, most of the girls that approached me at all over the course of the evening did so within the first half hour or hour of my arrival, often in quick succession, one right after the other. My record was 12 girls in the first 30 minutes (although some of them were in pairs). Most of those girls left me alone after I expressed my lack of interest, although one or two of the most aggressive circled back for another shot. Having thus filtered out the sharks, I could eventually focus my efforts on the remaining girls, whom I did not find to be aggressive at all. The levels of aggressiveness also varied considerably from one FKK to another.
The FKK girls were usually quick to deliver their pitches after they approached and generally kept the "getting to know you" verbal foreplay to a minimum, compared to the lengthier "interviews" that one can often do in many Third World venues. While some guys may interpret this directness as aggression, one should also remember that Germans and Eastern Europeans in general often have more direct and abrupt communication styles than many North Americans and Western Europeans. I would still shoot down any girl that cut to the chase too quickly. One such girl's first words to me, before greeting me, introducing herself, or any other pleasantries, were "do you want to have sex with me?
The use of English was pervasive at these FKKs and appeared to be the norm. Language barriers were rarely an issue, except at Sharks, which came as a surprise to me, as it appears to be the most popular and highly regarded among foreigners. I had a session there with a Hungarian who spoke no English; I managed to explain what I wanted with a few key phrases in German that I had memorized. Linguistic accessibility is a key advantage for those mongers that do not speak German or other relevant languages, such as myself. In other destinations, one can transcend language barriers with translation apps on smart phones, which would not be feasible in FKKs with policies against phone usage.
The pervasive upsell in the room that others described turned out to be far less of an issue than I expected. I had only one egregious case, in which a girl that I had taken to the room invited a second girl to join us in the room for a threesome without consulting me. I had to say "no" twice, raising my voice the second time, before they gave up. Aside from that incident, I encountered only a few mild instances of upsell in the room, which I deflected easily enough with a simple "no. " I may have preempted much of the upsell in the room by being clear in pre-session negotiations in the social areas about both what I did want (kissing, BBBJ, and the option for CIM) and what I did not want (threesomes and anal). Curiously, I received more unsolicited offers of anal than in Brazil, which I thought was the world capital of anal. Anal enthusiasts may want to add FKKs to their agenda.
I am comfortable paying more for higher levels of service, particularly for BBBJ, which is critical for me, and the option to CIM, which I value. I do, however, have a few critiques of the way that the FKK girls structure fees. The first is that they only negotiate in 50 euro increments, as if 5, 10, and 20 euro bills did not exist. This approach can double the cost of a session, from the basic 50 euros to 100 euros for whatever premium services one negotiates. I tried negotiating in increments smaller than 50 euros early on and got such hostile responses that I stopped. The second is that some of them seem to itemize excessively, such as the girl that suggested an extra 50 euros just to lick my balls (which I of course refused). I think that service should come in broad tiers (basic / minimal, GFE, and PSE / extreme), rather than charging an extra 50 euros (no smaller increments, of course) for each individual item, as some do. The third is that they seem to have a fixation with charging more for wherever or whenever one shoots one's load outside the condom, such as in their mouths or anywhere on their bodies, more so than with the service that actually gets one to the point of shooting one's load anywhere in the first place.
The aggressiveness and upsell are manifestations of another point that may also have advantages. The girls clearly demonstrated strong motivations and were definitely not lazy, which contrasts favorably with the weak work ethic and often poor performances and general flakiness of many girls in the Third World economies of Latin America and Southeast Asia. I imagine that Germans would have less tolerance for such behavior; perhaps the girls have absorbed some of the famous German work ethic.
Most remarkable for me was that, out of 16 sessions in five FKKs in seven days, all but one of my sessions were at least satisfactory, and that one dud of a session was probably attributable to a lapse in judgment on my part. I also had a record-high proportion of strong performers; out of 16 girls, a slight majority of them (nine) would have been worth a repeat if I had more time on the ground. Even in Rio de Janeiro and Medellin, I have never had such a high success rate and consistently good performance.
Blowjobs were the one area in which these FKK girls quite consistently distinguished themselves head and shoulders (pardon the pun) above the rest. No other destination or venues that I have visited anywhere else in the world has had so many girls with such consistently good head game. It was almost as if they went to the same cocksucking school and had to pass an oral exam (pardon the pun) to work at the FKKs. The girls with the best head game in Brazil or Colombia would be just average by FKK standards, and Colombians are notorious for their often half-assed or reluctant head game.
I am curious as to why the FKK girls in particular would have such exceptional oral skills. Perhaps there are cultural factors, as I have found some great Eastern European head game here in New York, but nothing that prepared me for what to expect in Germany. Ironically, I wonder if the 2017 condom law, which makes BBBJ illegal if the authorities ever enforce it, actually motivates the girls to excel at BBBJ by giving them an excuse for oral upsell, specifically for CIM. I sensed that a lot of girls wanted me to cum in their mouths so that they could justify the now-typical 50 euro CIM surcharge, which (from what I have read) seems to have proliferated in the wake of the 2017 law. I often had to tell the girls to stop sucking my cock so that I could put on a condom and proceed with CFS before I nutted.
This tendency was a welcome contrast to Colombians and other Latinas, some of whom give just a token blowjob before they decide that it is time to proceed to CFS, and they are often reluctant to provide a BBBJ finish if necessary, let alone CIM. I often have difficulty busting a nut via CFS by the end of a week-long Latin American mongering trip from fucking too much for so long, particularly if a girl's head game is weak or half-assed. I encountered no such issues in the FKKs, except for one dud that might have been a poor choice on my part. Aside from that one session at the very end of the week, the FKK girls' head game prepared me well for CFS, and I nutted in the condom each and every time. I had agreed during pre-session negotiations that I would pay the 50 euro CIM fee as a contingency if and when CIM happened, but it never happened, as I had enough discipline and self-control to switch to CFS when I was ready, and I never needed CIM for them to finish me off either. This achievement was unprecedented in my entire mongering experience. I had originally planned to go to Dietzenbach for BBFS toward the end of the week, as I had thought that I might have trouble finishing in a condom by that point. That concern did not come true, so I stuck to the FKKs with the more attractive girls.
Another factor that probably motivates strong performance in the FKKs is the standard practice of paying the girls after the session, not upfront. Paying up front is typical in the controlled environments of many strip clubs and brothels in Latin America where girls work for "the house" and robs the girls of much of their motivation to excel (if they have any at all). They have your money already, so why bother? Withholding payment until after the session is much more likely to yield satisfying results. In most FKKs, there are special lockers near the front desk to secure phones and wallets, separate from the lockers for clothes in the changing areas. Paying the girls in sight of the front desk is probably a good idea, so as to facilitate resolution in the event of any payment disputes (I did not have any). By the same token, the security at FKKs probably makes the girls more comfortable receiving payment after the session, as they know that guys are unlikely to get away with ripping them off and not paying them (which is a risk for independent girls in Latin America). I did appreciate this "circle of trust" that the FKKs can create, despite some inappropriate behavior here and there.
Some FKKs have signs prohibiting cell phones and photography. A benefit of this policy is that the girls will not have phones on them to distract them, which is a pervasive problem in many Third World venues. The downside is that this policy makes it harder to exchange contact information for further communication outside the FKK, which I imagine (correct me if I am wrong) that management would discourage and one should probably not do in sight of the front desk at the phone & wallet lockers. I suppose that one could discreetly write down phone numbers on paper and enter them into phones later, if one were sufficiently motivated. Aside from the opportunity to arrange often cheaper sessions outside the venue in which we originally met, I enjoy maintaining contact with girls that I particularly liked. If nothing else, such contact often enables them to send photos, which would be great in the case of the FKKs, given the typical policies against photography on-site. Taking photos of the girls that one just fucked are great souvenirs from Third World destinations and are a priceless addition to trip reports. This area is one in which FKKs fell short in comparison with Third World destinations.
More broadly, even if it were easier to maintain contact with the girls outside the FKKs, I sensed that they might be less open to it. They seemed to have more of a psychological and emotional barrier between their professional personas and their true selves, compared to their Third World counterparts, whom I believe put more of their genuine selves into their work. Some of these FKK girls delivered solid GFE for the time that we spent together in the rooms, but I think it would be much harder to develop deeper connections with them, as I have often done with girls in Latin America. Tellingly, I noticed that most of the FKK girls used artificial lube in their pussies in our sessions, which I have rarely encountered in Latin America or Southeast Asia; most of the girls lubricated themselves naturally there. I looked and acted the same as I have in those Third World destinations. Unless there is something about me that is uniquely unappealing to Eastern Europeans in particular, I would wager that many of the FKK girls do not, or do not allow themselves to, become genuinely aroused, whereas many of the Latinas do. This greater disconnect is probably the downside of their greater professionalism.
The Facilities.
The hefty FKK cover charges, as high as 75 euros, are a significant downside. They not only increase total costs but require spending a significant chunk of change on an "overhead" expense before even getting laid. Combined with the inconvenient locations of many FKKs, the "sunk costs" of FKK entry fees discourage one from moving from one FKK to another during the same day / evening if the talent pool is not working out, so one must choose one's FKKs carefully. In order to get the most out of FKK entry fees, one should do at least two sessions per visit; it would be hard to justify the high cost of entry for only one session. Three sessions would be ideal, if one's stamina is up to the challenge, but it is also important to pace oneself, especially on a longer trip. I think that the price structure of the Brazilian termas, which have a business model similar to that of the FKKs, is better, as more of one's total spending goes to the girls and less of it goes to "the house" in the form of cover charges.
Aside from access to the talent pool and session rooms and the female nudity, I did not find much else on the premises of the FKKs to justify the steep entry fees. The strongest selling point, aside from the above, is the all-you-can-eat food, but the quality of the food varied considerably from one FKK to another, from excellent to nearly inedible. Another problem is the pervasive cigarette smoke in the social areas of some FKKs, but not those with designated smoking areas (Samya and Mainhattan). The problem with both the food and the smoking is that many of the girls did not brush their teeth or otherwise freshen up after eating and / or smoking. I rejected more than a few girls for bad breath; I cannot recall having encountered this problem nearly as often in any Third World destinations. Some of the Brazilian termas provide toothbrushes, deodorant, and even disposable razors with their lower entry fees, but only Sharks provided just some spray-on deodorant. I brought my own hygiene supplies.
Comparisons of the FKKs.
Out of the four FKKs in the Frankfurt area that I visited, I would break them down into two pairs: Sharks and Oase on one hand and Palace and Mainhattan on the other hand. The obvious difference is geographic: Palace and Mainhattan are conveniently located within the city limits of Frankfurt, whereas Sharks and Oase are in distant exurbs / suburbs of the greater Frankfurt metropolitan area. There were nonetheless significant differences in the appearances and behaviors of the girls in these two pairs of FKKs that parallel the geographic division and may well have resulted from it. The conventional wisdom seems to hold that the FKKs in and around Frankfurt differ from those elsewhere in Germany because of their higher proportions of foreign visitors. If that difference is true, then it stands to reason that those differences would be even more true of Palace and Mainhattan than Sharks and Oase, as the former's locations within Frankfurt make them more easily accessible to foreign visitors.
In my opinion, the visual quality of the talent pool in Palace and Mainhattan was significantly higher than that of Sharks and Oase, which I had not expected based on what I had read online. I did try to factor out my personal tastes when making this judgment, but I cannot exclude the possibility that whoever was responsible for determining the lineups at both Palace and Mainhattan simply had tastes much closer to mine. Curiously, some Latin American destinations have similar divisions between markets for mostly North American foreign visitors and local Latino guys. The foreigners pay better, so their venues attract the hottest girls of any body type, and their taste in body types run thinner than those of local Latino guys, so they attract more of the thinner girls. In this case, however, Palace and Mainhattan had some slightly more voluptuous types that better suited my personal tastes.
By the same token, perhaps the more lucrative foreigner market can corrupt the girls' attitudes and behaviors, which may be why the girls at the more remote Sharks and Oase behaved differently and in more consistently good ways. Ironically, given its name, the girls at Sharks had the least aggressive behavior of these four FKKs and were the least likely to upsell. The girls at Oase were not aggressive but were more likely to engage in upsell than those at Sharks. The girls at Palace were the most aggressive of all and were also the most likely to engage in upsell. The girls at Mainhattan were not so much aggressive but proactive, and their attempts at upsell were usually mild and easy to deflect. The service was also more consistently good at Sharks and Oase than Palace and Mainhattan.
I assume that it is these behavioral differences that accounts for much of what appears to be the greater popularity of Sharks and Oase, from what I have read online. If that is the case, I cannot dispute the reasoning behind it, but I also could not justify going back to Sharks or Oase during this trip because the talent pool simply did not appeal to me as much as that of Palace or Mainhattan. I saw many more girls on my first visits to Palace and Mainhattan that I still wanted to fuck, which was why I returned to them for second visits during this trip. Between Palace and Mainhattan, the latter was clearly the better of the two. The girls at Mainhattan behaved better and provided my single best session on the trip, the hottest girl on the trip (and one of my Top 5 of all time), and a personal bucket list item. I also had my only dud of a session there, which I attribute to my overconfidence in the quality of experiences there, leading to a lapse in judgment. Lesson learned: never let your guard down, even in the best places.
My visit to Samya in Cologne got me out of the more heavily foreign-influenced FKKs in and around Frankfurt. The quality of the talent was lower, but also a closer fit for my personal tastes, e. G. They were not so skinny and had more tits & ass. I wonder if these voluptuous body types that I prefer are what Germans would consider lower-quality, or if this composition of the talent pool reflects the tastes of the heavily Turkish clientele there. The quality of the service was within the same range as that of the Frankfurt FKKs, as it yielded one of the better sessions of the trip and another that was just satisfactory.
For Further Discussion.
I have some questions, the answers to which may help me and others plan future trips.
Based on my above feedback, what if any other region (s) of Germany would you recommend for my future FKK tours, besides the obvious choice of North-Rhine Westphalia? Bavaria? Hamburg? Stuttgart? Saxony?
What if any differences in appearance, service, behavior, and facilities should I expect as I explore more FKKs further from the heavier foreign influence in and around Frankfurt?
How frequently (if at all) do you session with girls that approach you? Have you found that the results are any better or worse than the results with those that you choose yourself?
Have you found that the FKK girls have exceptionally strong oral skills, as I did? If so, do you have any ideas as to why that might be the case? Have you found any other destinations where the girls have equally good or better oral skills?
Have you maintained contact with any of the girls outside the FKKs, and what if any results did such contacts yield?
GuyBrusg1957
09-25-19, 02:40
GringoItaliano,
Are you saying that most of the girls were more so smaller spinner types? Would you say the experiences were GFE?
Also, if anyone's interested I've complied a list of FKKs, Agencies, Independents, etc. For Frankfurt specifically if anyone is interested in that data.
GringoItaliano
09-25-19, 18:12
GringoItaliano,
Are you saying that most of the girls were more so smaller spinner types? Would you say the experiences were GFE?
Also, if anyone's interested I've complied a list of FKKs, Agencies, Independents, etc. For Frankfurt specifically if anyone is interested in that data.I would say that a high proportion of the girls were on the thin / skinny / slender / scrawny side. But keep in mind that my frame of reference for female body types draws heavily on Latin America, where they tend to run a bit thicker, and local tastes also run a bit meatier than they do in North America or Europe.
I would not say that they were smaller spinner types, however, as many of them were quite tall. Mainhattan in particular seemed to have a lot of taller girls, for whatever reason. Also, keep in mind that some of the Ukrainian, Russian, or South Slav girls can also be quite tall.
I would say that some of the experiences were GFE and some were not; it varied from one girl to the next. Some girls had more of a PSE vibe, at least in terms of their style and atmospherics, if not specific sex acts.
This post is an overview of my FKK tour; I will also be posting reviews of the FKKs that I visited.Thank you GringoItaliano for the very detailed and memorable report. Truly superb and ever so reminiscent of some great reporting legends of the Germany FKK Clubs Board. Bitumen, Yakob and Basketcase spring to mind. Thanks again. I will avidly watch for more of your splendid reports.
..... that some of the experiences were GFE and some were not; it varied from one girl to the next. Some girls had more of a PSE vibe, at least in terms of their style and atmospherics, if not specific sex acts.I think we can all agree on that as a summary of our trips.
I am really looking forward to reading your eye witness reports. You have certainly put the keyboard time in so far with your report on general impressions. I think you have done a good job in compiling a summary of many of the things which have been discussed on the forum over time
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Many FKKs are in remote locations (from the perspective of an urbanite like me) and can be time-consuming, inconvenient, or expensive to reach via public transportation. T
The Frankfurt area FKKs seemed to be the most popular and highly regarded among foreigners. Sharks and Oase seemed to be the most highly regarded of those Frankfurt area FKKs and were thus top priorities. Palace and Mainhattan made it onto my list due to their greater accessibility within Frankfurt.
The visual quality of the talent in these FKKs was among the highest ......
mediocre girls were few in number.
Run quite a bit skinnier than I would have liked. A good set of tits & ass was harder to come by, compared to my usual haunts in Latin America. ..
The pervasive upsell in the room that others described turned out to be far less of an issue than I expected. I may have preempted much of the upsell in the room by being clear in pre-session negotiations in the social areas about both what I did want (kissing, BBBJ, and the option for CIM) and what I did not want (threesomes and anal). Curiously, I received more unsolicited offers of anal than in Brazil,
I am comfortable paying more for higher levels of service, particularly for BBBJ, which is critical for me, and the option to CIM, which I value. I do, however, have a few critiques of the way that the FKK girls structure fees. The first is that they only negotiate in 50 euro increments, as if 5, 10, and 20 euro bills did not exist.
Another factor that probably motivates strong performance in the FKKs is the standard practice of paying the girls after the session,
if it were easier to maintain contact with the girls outside the FKKs, I sensed that they might be less open to it. Amazing write up. Well done. My personal reaction to the FKK life and my trips to Latin America as follows.
First I agree, the girls tend to be slenderer than I've found in Paraguay, Ecuador, Brazil, even Mexico, BUT by USA Standards -- or at least my considerable hobbying, -- I would seldom use the term spinner or skinny. On the slender side, yes but not skinny. Agree that there is probably less "silicon" and implants than elsewhere, especially in US clubs. As to looks, I found plenty of girls I thought mediocre, but when I'm in Ecuador I think the exotic Latinas all seem extra hot, so maybe it's just perspective of what we are both used to. Lots of 5's and 6's in FKKs, less 8's and 9's for me. More candy I can't resist in Ecuador than in Germany.
Destination wise, another guess is that Frankfurt is so popular since so many conventions are held there. Outside of Hannover, not sure what other German centers have that many tourists who are on a business trip and might be without a "spouse". Convention centers of Germany! And so many FKKs in remote areas because they are for the locals, not just sex tourism like the RLD of frankfurt. If it were just tourists per square foot, there would be more FKKs in Berlin, I think it has to be the convention center business that helped proliferate them.
I've read a fair amount of reports that seem to suggest that some of the "upsell' goes away with 60 minutes of booking, vs 30 minutes. Not all, but some of the extras, and a few more when someone recognizes you as a repeat visitor. Long term posters say that the upsell on BBBJ is more recent. Possibly the newish law, possibly we have trained the girls to expect the money cause tourists are so happy to pay for it? CIM or on body seems as you mentioned almost always an extra. And I agree about them trying to get you to explode outside the vagina. My thought is that it is easier! Many men just come more quickly that way, so why work harder or longer than you need to? Am I cynical? YES. Finally, at least around Munich I didn't not find that many girls offering ANAL. So maybe Frankfurt? Or maybe the girls you talked to? Or maybe the night? I thought it would be more common on my last visit. On a really tangential point, if you go to Berlinintim.de you will see that most of the upsell is by 10's and 20's for kissing, BLS, etc etc. So maybe again, we've just trained the girls in the FKKs to ask for 50E.
Meeting girls outside of the candy store: I have been told by girls, when I asked, that they are occasionally on Kaufmich, or whichever online ad site is their choice, when they don't work in the FKK. Some dropped it casually, others when prompted, a few said 'never'. Granted I am NOT a frequent visitor that they would recognize me, so I guess we both don't know if this changes if you see them 3 or 4 times in a month. It is easy enough when you walk to the locker to pay them to write down their number if they wanted to offer it. It's certainly not the Latin Ameridan method of going to the payment window and just paying an "exit" fee to the house to take them back to your hotel?
One interesting side note, on the German language boards they talk abut a CE charge for the sex. In a nutshell the rate for sex equates to 1 unit of the cover charge. Again, not sure if that is because these guys are local, repeat visitors or talking often about the more remote clubs.
Finally, for what it's worth. I liked Coliseum in Augsburg, a bit of a train ride from Frankfurt. The girls are NUDE all the time, and they can not come up to you. You have to approach them! So less sharks circling the poor horny guys. I also heard dreadful things about Berlin so my next trip I will stick with Berlin Intim website.
The rest of your report kept me nodding my head, and thinking, wish I met you at the bar inside an FKK, we'd be laughing all night.
FuckedUpSwede
09-26-19, 00:29
Based on my above feedback, what if any other region (s) of Germany would you recommend for my future FKK tours, besides the obvious choice of North-Rhine Westphalia? Bavaria? Hamburg? Stuttgart? Saxony?
What if any differences in appearance, service, behavior, and facilities should I expect as I explore more FKKs further from the heavier foreign influence in and around Frankfurt?
Have you found that the FKK girls have exceptionally strong oral skills, as I did? If so, do you have any ideas as to why that might be the case? Have you found any other destinations where the girls have equally good or better oral skills?Hello Gringo and thanks for a really extensive report. I have sorted out the questions I have some experience in. I travel to Germany 1 time a month in average and it is mostly in business.
I would recommend Munich, I recognized a different behavior in the two clubs I tried there compared to Frankfurt and NRW clubs. I would not say Munich is "better" it is just a little different if that is what you are looking for?
Both Munich and Hamburg are more expensive than Frankfurt and NRW but they have more german girls as well.
I prefer to lurk around in smaller clubs since it gives me more of a thrill than the big ones and in general it is cheaper, dirtier (in all aspects) and has a more personal touch. You might think that the line-up should be insufficient in small, remote places but this is not always the case, there are more variables in play than plain market rules. Yes, in general it is worse if you only compare optics but the service level is almost always higher and often you stumble upon girls you cannot understand why they stay at such a small place with their optics.
I just love the oral skills of the girls, I normally prefer it instead of FS. I think they are good at it since they have a lot of training. Germans like to have their knob eaten, as simple as that.
GringoItaliano
09-26-19, 02:58
I would recommend Munich, I recognized a different behavior in the two clubs I tried there compared to Frankfurt and NRW clubs. I would not say Munich is "better" it is just a little different if that is what you are looking for?
Both Munich and Hamburg are more expensive than Frankfurt and NRW but they have more german girls as well.Everybody, thank you for the positive feedback on my trip report.
Also, thank you FuckedUpSwede and Tintin1 for your recommendations of Munich and of Coliseum in Augsburg. Both recommendations are in Bavaria, which is a region that I had already considered visiting again for non-mongering reasons, long before I discovered FKKs or any foreign mongering at all. I enjoyed my previous, non-mongering visit to Munich and hoped to explore Bavaria further someday. Perhaps the FKKs will give me more of a reason to do so.
I would ask FuckedUpSwede. In what specific ways are Munich-area FKKs different, aside from cost and more German girls?
Speaking of which, I noticed during my pre-trip research on these threads that the native German girls seemed to have more consistently positive reviews, or at least that there were fewer negative comments about them. I made a point of looking for native Germans during this trip but could not find a single one.
As for Coliseum, I had heard good things about it and considered it, but it was too far away to include in my itinerary for this trip. Is there anything else that distinguished Coliseum or made it better, in your opinion, other than the rule against girls approaching guys?
FuckedUpSwede
09-26-19, 17:12
I would ask FuckedUpSwede. In what specific ways are Munich-area FKKs different, aside from cost and more German girls?This is my theory, both Col and Hawaii (which I prefer by they way) are located to far from Mnich to attract much foreign mongers since you need a car to get there. Their prices are too high to attract locals with low income. They mainly attract local, middle class Germans. Because of this the girls rely mostly on repeat customers who require long coach times, high service level and diversity among girls. This sets the mood for those clubs, I felt that the girls where a bit distant at your first visit but loosened up quite much at my next visit and gave great GFE when they recognized me.
You can absolutely find this in specific clubs, if you hit the right day and time, in other areas but in those two clubs it is more obvious I think.
I did not try the FKK in the city of Munich but I do not think it would be like Col and Hawaii since I think it mostly attract foreign messe visitors = fire and forget for the girls.
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