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https://www.yahoo.com/news/american-travelers-may-denied-admission-090106193.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/american-travelers-may-denied-admission-090106193.htmlYahoo article you posted reports on WSJ article from previous day:
The newspaper said some countries may still decide to allow U.S. visitors with proof of vaccination.
Citing two diplomats, the Journal said the EU has been pondering for about a month removing the U.S. from the list of countries whose citizens are allowed to visit for non-essential reasons. The impetus for such a decision has grown as U.S. admission continues to be denied to Europeans.There remains a sliver of hope for USA-based mongers. I could see a tourist-dependent country like Greece not banning all USA Visitors. So that could be the port of entry for the mongers truly desperate enough to visit FKK land.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/american-travelers-may-denied-admission-090106193.htmlThat is confirmed now.
Tvataham274
08-30-21, 21:11
Does anyone know what is up with one of the banner ads that I've seen here advertising Ukranian girls, oh my girls?
Not sure if it is allowed, but the banner ad links to https://ohmygirls.agency.
Anyone use this, know anything about it?
That is confirmed now.What has been confirmed? American are all banned to enter EU or only those not vaccinated?
Smoke Light
08-31-21, 02:42
What has been confirmed? American are all banned to enter EU or only those not vaccinated?You can still go if you are fully vaccinated. Otherwise quarantine for five to ten days.
Source: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/blog-coronavirus-102.html.
Google translate:
EU recommends restrictions for travelers from the US.
The EU recommends stricter entry rules for people from countries like the USA and Israel. A total of six countries were removed from the list of countries today for which corona restrictions are no longer to apply, as the EU Council announced.
The main reason for this is the high incidence rate. Affected are northern Macedonia, Montenegro, Kosovo and the Lebanon affected.
The changes have no consequences for people who want to travel to Germany from the USA and Israel and the aforementioned Balkan states. The Federal Republic of Germany has been classifying the federal states as high-risk areas for some time. Entrants who have not been vaccinated or have recovered therefore currently have to be in quarantine for five to ten days.
What has been confirmed? American are all banned to enter EU or only those not vaccinated?Also can people just fly into a non vaccine country such as Greece or Switzerland and take a flight or train in to Germany without a vaccine?
Most clubs will (re-) open as of today.
Most wil start with 3 G=GGG rules, but only PCR Test not antigeen test allowed anymore. Some clubs (like FKK Prime) already introduced 2 G, so only vaccinated or cured is valid to enter the club. Because PCR test is too expensive and complicated (last 24-49 hours to get result, etc). Expect 2 G to be the norm in a week or so for other clubs also.GGG has another meaning as well. .
Tvataham274
08-31-21, 11:59
GGG has another meaning as well. .What's the other one?
Smoke Light
08-31-21, 18:20
Also can people just fly into a non vaccine country such as Greece or Switzerland and take a flight or train in to Germany without a vaccine?It maybe ok as a workaround for a routine tourist visit. But as a monger, you will be in clubs which are environments vulnerable to polizei razzia. I would recommend getting up to date on possible consequences and fines if they figure out your way of entry was kinda odd.
What's the other one?Google on GGG Germany and you know 😎.
You can still go if you are fully vaccinated. Otherwise quarantine for five to ten days.
Source: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/blog-coronavirus-102.html.
Google translate:
EU recommends restrictions for travelers from the US.
The EU recommends stricter entry rules for people from countries like the USA and Israel. A total of six countries were removed from the list of countries today for which corona restrictions are no longer to apply, as the EU Council announced.
The main reason for this is the high incidence rate. Affected are northern Macedonia, Montenegro, Kosovo and the Lebanon affected.
The changes have no consequences for people who want to travel to Germany from the USA and Israel and the aforementioned Balkan states. The Federal Republic of Germany has been classifying the federal states as high-risk areas for some time. Entrants who have not been vaccinated or have recovered therefore currently have to be in quarantine for five to ten days.Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany. As before, I just simply answer as tourist.
ExpatLover
09-01-21, 18:49
Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany. As before, I just simply answer as tourist.Impossible to have a global answer it depends on the people who control. In the last 2 weeks a got 0 control by crossing boarders in Europe, this morning they check everything very deeply and even called the hospital to be sure that my proof of vaccines is not a fake.
Smoke Light
09-01-21, 18:56
Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany. As before, I just simply answer as tourist.My standard answer at the border is always "I am on holiday". I consider it to be a uniformly accepted reason to enter EU.
I also monitor a couple websites on a daily basis before my departure later this month. First one is used by the airlines to inform passengers about current COVID rules in both departure and destination countries:
https://apply.joinsherpa.com/
Secondly, a website for German Consulates in US. Scroll down to "news" and click "COVID-19". It gives you an up-to-date set of rules to enter Germany:
https://www.germany.info/
Hope this helps.
Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany. As before, I just simply answer as tourist.I always say I'm on holiday and I want to visit shops (which is also true) , the board police -Sometimes- check my return ticket and hotel reservation.
Once my friend told them he want to visit FKK, and they let him in without any further questions.
Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany.....No need to sweat that, Germany is not Thailand or Colombia.
Impossible to have a global answer it depends on the people who control. In the last 2 weeks a got 0 control by crossing boarders in Europe, this morning they check everything very deeply and even called the hospital to be sure that my proof of vaccines is not a fake.I have entered either Zurich, Amsterdam, and Dusseldorf airports and never was questioned whatsoever. Just asked once how long I was staying. But never the purpose or reason for the trip.
Once I was stopped (which if rare) leaving the USA and bag searched and was interrogated but I stated I was just going to Germany to hang out.
GringoItaliano
09-24-21, 16:12
This trip was my second tour of the Frankfurt area FKKs and Samya in neighboring Cologne; read my September 2019 trip report for background on my first German FKK tour. This week-long tour was a worthwhile change of scenery from the Latin American destinations to which I have been limited for the past year and a half. Nonetheless, as one might expect, this trip delivered a significantly less satisfying experience than my first FKK tour due to: smaller lineups; an even greater decrease in performance; the restrictions and general atmosphere in Germany; and the loss of novelty from my first trip. Aside from pandemic-related factors, I have also come to recognize, for future reference, that the Frankfurt area FKKs may be better for long layovers or long weekends than the longer trips of a week or more that I usually take to most other mongering destinations. I also hope in the future to visit local FKKs outside the Frankfurt area hub during broader explorations of other parts of Germany that interest me for non-mongering reasons, after Germany and its FKKs have had more time to recover.
This week-long FKK tour was the first leg of a two-week trip. My original reason for traveling to Europe was to visit Dubrovnik, Croatia, the remarkably well-preserved old city where HBO shot much of Game of Thrones, and a country that has been relatively lax with travel and other restrictions. In order to justify the cost, jet lag, and other hassles of a European trip, I wanted a two-week itinerary, but I did not want to spend a whole two weeks in Croatia. My research into flight options for Croatia from my point of origin (Miami) identified Frankfurt (FRA) as a possible connection airport, which immediately reminded me of my previous FKK tour. I checked ISG and read that German FKKs, including the main FKKs in and around Frankfurt, had reopened and achieved enough volume (albeit at reduced levels) to justify a trip there. I also read elsewhere that the EU would be tightening travel restrictions for USA Citizens, so I wanted to seize this window of opportunity while it remained open.
I booked an itinerary with Lufthansa, the airline with the only direct flights between Miami (MIA) and FRA at the time, as well as the direct flights between FRA and Dubrovnik (DBV) that I wanted. The airfare was higher than I would have expected, given the circumstances, perhaps due to my multi-city itinerary and the last-minute booking, but it was the most convenient option and also enabled a long, overnight layover in FRA on the way back to MIA from DBV. I found a cheap hotel near the Frankfurt train station for less than $40 USD per night; hotel prices seemed lower than I remembered from my 2019 trip, perhaps due to low levels of business travel. I bought a Deutsche Bahn rail pass to facilitate access to the FKKs outside Frankfurt's city limits and for visits to towns within day trip distance of Frankfurt that interested me for non-mongering reasons (Aachen, Mainz, Speyer, and Stuttgart).
To enter Germany, I needed my paper CDC vaccination card and an immigration form to be filled out online before departure. I also had to show my vaccination card: to enter the FKKs; to check into my hotel; to eat at restaurants; to smoke a cigar at a cigar lounge; and to enter museums and other tourist attractions. No one questioned the legitimacy of my paper CDC card, but some scrutinized it more thoroughly than others. Germany requires medical-grade masks; cloth masks will not do. The mask mandate applies to FKKs, but enforcement varied greatly from one to another. Palace, Mainhattan, and Oase generally disregarded it; indeed, Palace did not even check my vaccination card but just took my word for it. Samya gently reminded girls and customers to wear it while moving around the club, but not while seated or while consuming food or drink. Sharks enforced it so arbitrarily and inconsistently that it was not clear to me when they did or did not expect people to wear masks.
I had seven nights to spend at FKKs that first week, plus another night during my long layover on the way home from DBV. I first went to each of the four main FKKs in and around Frankfurt (Mainhattan, Palace, Sharks, and Oase) and also to Samya in Cologne after a day trip to neighboring Aachen. I reserved the last two nights that week for my favorite two out of those five which, as on my last trip, turned out to be Palace and Mainhattan again, but Samya might have been a contender if it were closer. I understand that my preference for Mainhattan and Palace is at odds with what seems to be the prevailing preference for Sharks and Oase; this discrepancy is probably a matter of personal taste. Out of those two FKKs within the city limits of Frankfurt, I preferred Mainhattan over Palace on my last trip, but on this trip I ended up rating them almost the same and chose to spend my long layover night at Palace, as I had already exhausted the lineup at Mainhattan on my two previous visits that first week.
The number of girls at the FKKs was noticeably lower than what I remembered from my previous trip. The difference was not enormous, but it was significant enough to impact the quality of my experiences, albeit not to the point that I regretted going. It was only at Oase, which originally had a smaller lineup in pre-pandemic times, that the reduced number of girls was so low that it might have been a mistake to go to that FKK at all. The reduction in the number of girls was most pronounced on slower nights (E. G. Monday) and least noticeable on busier nights (e. G. Weekends). I understood from ISG and the girls themselves that the reduced numbers of girls were due to a combination of: the authorities' requirements for vaccination, testing, or documented recovery in order to enter FKKs; and a reduction in customers stemming from the decrease in business travel and long-haul flight layovers.
Despite the reduced numbers, there was a high proportion of familiar faces from my last trip, including girls with whom I had sessions. Remarkably, more than a few girls recognized me from last time, regardless of whether or not I had sessions with them. Perhaps the disruption and recent resumption of the business has not given the FKKs enough time to refresh their talent pool and find more new girls. I also noticed that the predominance of Romanians seemed to be even greater than it was on my last trip; there were fewer girls from the other countries, such as Hungary, Bulgaria, Moldova, or Ukraine.
More troubling to me than the reduction in the number of girls was the even greater decrease in the average quality of the service that I received, compared to my previous trip. This observation comes with the caveats that: a) the novelty of my first trip may have given me an unduly flattering impression of the quality of service that I received the first time around; and b) I am probably pickier about service than most of you. Nonetheless, the higher proportion of duds and mediocre or lukewarm performers on this trip was in marked contrast to my first trip, when all but one of my sessions were satisfactory. I have no doubt that the disruption and recent resumption of the FKK business was responsible for this major decrease in the quality of service, but I am not sure exactly how or why. Are they out of practice and rusty? Did they forget how to suck a dick properly during lockdown? Are they overworked and burned out due to the reduced numbers of FKK girls? Have they lost their motivation to work hard and become disgruntled after the government robbed them of their livelihood on such dubious grounds?
Pricing remained largely consistent with my previous trip, albeit with some upward pressure and a bit more upsell than before. The historic 50 euros for half an hour with BBBJ and GFE was an endangered species when I was last there, and it has now become all but extinct; only the above-mentioned slender Romanian at Samya was willing to provide that level of service at that price. 100 euros for that premium level of service has clearly entrenched itself as a nearly universal standard, and some girls tried to push the envelope even further to 150. More troubling to me than the price inflation was that the quality of service even at that premium price point has clearly declined. The GFE was often half-assed, and the once strong BBBJ skills that astonished me on my last trip have atrophied in many cases. As for the infamous FKK upsell, a surprisingly high proportion of girls sought a 50 euro surcharge just for titfucking, even if I did not bust a nut on their tits. I can understand the upsell for things like CIM or anal, but such a large surcharge just for titfucking seems excessive to me. Oddly, I also received several unsolicited offers for prostate massages, which I did not encounter at all during my previous trip.
My first FKK visit, a Saturday afternoon and night at Mainhattan, was excellent. I did four sessions with three Romanians and a Croatian. Look for the tall, slender Romanian with large fake breasts resembling a cross between Anna Kendrick and Kate Beckinsale; she delivered excellent service. A dark-skinned Croatian with big natural tits demonstrated solid oral skills on par with what I remembered from my last trip. There was a very tall, thick, and dark Romanian with huge natural tits and ass that I might recommend to those of you that share my tastes, but her performance was just satisfactory. Another highlight was a slender, light-skinned Romanian blonde with an endearing GFE.
I went to Palace Sunday night, where I did two rooms with two Romanians. One had an athletic build with an amazing ass that she clearly exercises and jet black hair but light skin and blue eyes. She delivered great service both physically and in GFE terms. More disappointing in the service department was a very tall, thick, and dark Romanian with huge natural tits and ass whom I remembered seeing there on my last trip. While she did fit my physical tastes closely, in retrospect I should have recognized as a red flag that most of the local regular customers seemed to be avoiding her. There were few other choices on a slow Sunday night however, so I took the plunge. Palace nevertheless redeemed itself that night with a raven-haired, light-skinned petite Romanian who delivered a solid GFE.
I went to Sharks Monday night, in the hopes that its much larger lineup would offset the typically lower numbers on what I expected to be a slow night. The numbers were definitely there, but the lineup simply did not suit my taste, as I found on my last trip. I did, however, appreciate the more positive attitudes and less aggressive pricing that I found at Sharks on my previous trip, but those advantages seem to have disappeared since then. One smoking hot Serbian blonde with big tits and ass, one of the few at Sharks that suited my tastes, had the nerve to ask me why I had not brought her champagne when I approached her. I did manage to find a very tall and even slenderer Romanian with disproportionately large but natural tits and ass and very pale skin; she excelled in the purely physical sense but was lukewarm in attitude. In the absence of other desirable candidates for my second room, I settled for a petite, light-skinned Romanian blonde who was friendly but lacked sexual skills. Combined with their arbitrary and occasionally aggressive enforcement of the mask mandate and my similarly lukewarm response to the Sharks talent pool on my last trip, I have concluded that this place is simply not my cup of tea. It remains difficult for me to understand the widespread preference for Sharks, beyond the greater size of its lineup but quantity does not necessarily yield quality.
Pre-pandemic Oase, as I found on my last trip, illustrated the point that quality trumps quantity. I had found the relatively small but high-quality talent pool at Oase quite impressive, even though it was not a close fit for my personal taste. Unfortunately, it would appear that the disruption and recent resumption of its operations has had a more severe impact on its lower-quantity but high-quality business model. Oase on a Tuesday night yielded the worst FKK visit of this trip. The lineup was small and the male-female ratio was unfavorable; guys were waiting around for girls to come out of their sessions and grab them immediately before another guy grabbed them. I suspect that this dynamic may have been responsible for the mediocre service here. My first pull, a petite, slender, and dark Romanian with large fake tits, was a total dud, who was both in a rush and seemed to lack sexual skills. Somewhat better but not great was a tall, thick Romanian with large natural tits and ass who provided my second session and allowed titfucking at no extra cost. She did not speak English, and I do not speak German, but she did speak Spanish, perhaps because she lived there before or because of its similarity to Romanian. I wonder if Spanish or French would be of any use with other Romanians that do not speak English that I might find in other, less international FKKs in other parts of Germany on future trips. I hoped the third time would be a charm, but I also struck out with a weak performance from a very polished Iranian girl with short hair and a you. K. Accent who talked a good game but did not deliver well.
The situation improved with my Wednesday afternoon / evening visit to Samya in Cologne. As on my last trip, the lineup here was a better fit for my taste than much of the Frankfurt area lineups, with more tits and ass, perhaps due to the tastes of the heavily Turkish customer base there. My first room was with a raven-haired but very light-skinned tall Romanian with a slender build but an amazing ass who delivered quality service both physically and in her GFE attitude. Also fulfilling in purely physical terms, but less endearing with her mercenary attitude, was an extremely busty Romanian with excellent head game who grudgingly agreed to include titfucking in the session at no extra cost.
I returned to Palace on Thursday night to give it a second chance to provide a bigger lineup, and it did not disappoint. My sessions included an impressive performance by a voluptuous light-skinned blonde Romanian and a repeat session with a tall, thick Ukrainian with big natural tits and ass with whom I had a session on my last trip. I spent Friday afternoon and evening at Mainhattan again, but the lineup was notably smaller and less impressive than it had been the previous Saturday. My satisfying sessions there included two Romanians, one of which was a petite fake blonde with a deep tan, a surprisingly nice ass, and strong oral skills. Having exhausted the Mainhattan lineup, I choose to spend my long layover night (a Saturday) on the way back from DBV at Palace, where my sessions were with: the above-mentioned Ukrainian again; a voluptuous Romanian MILF with strong oral skills who agreed to titfucking at no extra cost; and a petite Bulgarian who was just average in appearance but had a strong seductive demeanor and delivered accordingly in the room.
I will return to German FKKs in the future, but with a different itinerary. I have come to the realization that a week in and around Frankfurt is too long of a trip, especially now that: a) I have confirmed my initial preference for Palace and Mainhattan over the more popular Sharks and Oase, which I will probably skip in the future; and b) I have exhausted the list of non-mongering things that I want to see and do in and around Frankfurt between FKK visits. Frankfurt would probably be better for: a long weekend, if that were a feasible option for a Miami resident (9 hours is a long flight for a long weekend); or for long layovers on the way to or from other destinations in Germany, Europe, or elsewhere in the Old World, as I did on the way back from DBV. I also hope to explore other parts of Germany, such as Hamburg and Bavaria, for non-mongering reasons, and would like to visit their local FKKs as well. After my first trip, I had hoped to explore the different FKK scene of North Rhine-Westphalia beyond Samya on a future trip, in the interest of broadening my horizons beyond the usual focus on the Frankfurt area. I decided not to pursue that option this time, as I figured that the smaller FKKs there would need more time to recover from the disruption of their business. In retrospect, I think that the FKKs in general, including those in and around Frankfurt, need more time to recover before I invest the time, effort, and money in returning there all the way from Miami.
Better to choose good days to have good experience in clubs. Sharks on Monday now and Oase on Tuesday is mistake, with small casting when girls have to pay entry but almost no business. Not same business than before covid, just have to be able to adapt.
GringoItaliano
09-25-21, 00:49
Better to choose good days to have good experience in clubs. Sharks on Monday now and Oase on Tuesday is mistake, with small casting when girls have to pay entry but almost no business. Not same business than before covid, just have to be able to adapt.What other FKKs should I have chosen for a Monday or Tuesday night? Would Palace or Mainhattan have been any better? World? Atlanta? Rom?
There was no shortage of customers at Oase that Tuesday night; indeed, that might have been the real problem, rather than the small lineup. There were too many guys, so perhaps the small lineup of girls was overworked. The small but good-looking lineup did not limit my choices so much; there were at least three that I found attractive enough for rooms, and perhaps I could have tried more if I had not concluded that I was not going to get good service at that sausage party.
There was no shortage of girls at Sharks that Monday night either; it is just that whoever does the casting at Sharks is a bad fit for my personal taste. That was true in 2019 and it was true again in 2021. Many of those that did suit my taste, however, had bad attitudes, like the busty blonde Serbian that took offense because I did not offer her champagne.
What other FKKs should I have chosen for a Monday or Tuesday night? Would Palace or Mainhattan have been any better? World? Atlanta? Rom?
There was no shortage of customers at Oase that Tuesday night; indeed, that might have been the real problem, rather than the small lineup. There were too many guys, so perhaps the small lineup of girls was overworked. The small but good-looking lineup did not limit my choices so much; there were at least three that I found attractive enough for rooms, and perhaps I could have tried more if I had not concluded that I was not going to get good service at that sausage party.
There was no shortage of girls at Sharks that Monday night either; it is just that whoever does the casting at Sharks is a bad fit for my personal taste. That was true in 2019 and it was true again in 2021. Many of those that did suit my taste, however, had bad attitudes, like the busty blonde Serbian that took offense because I did not offer her champagne.We may not have same tastes, I run away from silicon and fat ass, I couldn't find a girl at Mainhattan on Saturday 18 September from noon to 8.30 pm. But best days at Sharks are now from Friday to sometimes Sunday, others are only average casting. At Oase, from Thursday to Saturday. Good if You enjoyed at Palace, I like Palace high level. From the day You choose, You can experience very different. Not much to expect on Monday and Tuesday if You don t know girls You want are working. Was your Croatian with red boots sitting on German table? Vulgarity from Bruggen, really not needed at Sharks. Also Kaira also with silicon and usually kind of black one piece to hide belly.
Hey guys do you think a left of center government will have any impact on our hobby?
Hey guys do you think a left of center government will have any impact on our hobby?It is a very romantic question. I like posters who still believe in good old democracy.
From my perspective, and nowadays I am more like a old left hippie punk, non of the 4 parties who could be part of an upcoming German government are politically "left of center."
CDU, FDP and SPD are definitely on the right side of the center. Their politically game and aim is always the same still I can think: Make the rich richer and make the poor become more. CDU and FDP are bit more open, clear and honest about it, SPD is trying to hide this politic a bit more from the voters. Even the Green and their "we will rescue our planet" politic are fully aware of, that they votes are mainly coming from people who don't have to worry about money at the end of the month.
These 4 parties are lobbyists of rich capitalist, not really "left of center."
Three options are still in the race. A Coalition of SPD, Green and FDP (highest chance, I guess) SPD and CDU (second best chance) and CDU, Green and FDP (lowest possibility) The political poker show is still going on, boring.
Impact on our hobby?
I am very bad when it comes to looking into the future. I prefer to look back, there I can see more. Just look at Corona BS and what the current government (CDU and SPD) did. German prostitution system is close to collapse, because I can't be a legal customer anymore. How should some of the hookers survive now?
SPD is very strict when it comes to Corona rules. It is the partie of the old people, old people are still in big danger (even if they are vaccinated), the old people need extra protection. SPD prefers the 2 G rule (vaxxed or recovered) for (example) restaurants, bars and clubs. 2 G means less customers than 3 G. I doubt that sex clubs are happy with less customers.
The Greens are wearing helmet while driving e-bikes. But not because the bikes are too fast, no, because usually they don't have driving license and don't know some basic traffic rules and people who don't know some basic traffic rules are usually what, when they don't "stay at home" ? Right, they are in very big danger. If you are in Germany and you see someone with a FFP2 mask while driving bicycle all by himself, then it is 9 out of 10 times a cop or a cop who is voting for the Greens.
The Greens don't like unvaxxed people, because the Unvaxxed don't show enough hipster solidarity with the pharmaceutical mafia. Agenda sh*t. How should the clubs open when Germany is having a climate Lockdown? You know how much energy clubs like Samya, Sharks or big Artemis are needing? If you ask the Green they would give you the answer, "way to much." I guess the clubs need to become more "green" to stay "relevant" for the moving system.
FDP is selling vaccine, but they are also playing the smooth corona deniers, some opposition. While the other parties are talking about how dangerous little Virus is, FDP is talking about the importance of human basic rights. Maybe it helps, but the Agenda is obviously too powerful.
All in all I would say, the impact from the upcoming government on your hobby won't be that big. Higher prices, lower service, maybe a bit cold and dark in winter, higher prices and you only meet very nice vaccinated people or people with a vaccine ID made in Romania.
Everybody I know is still hating. Make rough love to the local German government!
I tried to go to the Partytreff forum just to read what's been going on, or, even if there are any PTs left. The link was dead. Is it just me or has it been taken down? Thanks!
Christian G
10-23-21, 19:26
I tried to go to the Partytreff forum just to read what's been going on, or, even if there are any PTs left. The link was dead. Is it just me or has it been taken down? Thanks!Works fine for me.
Funny reading from a long time claimed specialist telling about Sharks example, some girls don t give same to all of us and for same rate. I could add not only at Sharks and quite normal girls behave from what we are. Remind me about fat old uglies going to cry on Bruggen desk about girls who couldn't get in their throat ugly guys tongue tasting beer. Money paid buy time and if we chose extras, but then we have to deserve to receive. I'm even 99% sure girls don t behave same with all of us even in rules clubs like Globe, when was also not at GT or LR.
It is a very romantic question. I like posters who still believe in good old democracy.
From my perspective, and nowadays I am more like a old left hippie punk, non of the 4 parties who could be part of an upcoming German government are politically "left of center."
CDU, FDP and SPD are definitely on the right side of the center. Their politically game and aim is always the same still I can think: Make the rich richer and make the poor become more. CDU and FDP are bit more open, clear and honest about it, SPD is trying to hide this politic a bit more from the voters. Even the Green and their "we will rescue our planet" politic are fully aware of, that they votes are mainly coming from people who don't have to worry about money at the end of the month.
These 4 parties are lobbyists of rich capitalist, not really "left of center."
Three options are still in the race. A Coalition of SPD, Green and FDP (highest chance, I guess) SPD and CDU (second best chance) and CDU, Green and FDP (lowest possibility) The political poker show is still going on, boring.
Impact on our hobby?
I am very bad when it comes to looking into the future. I prefer to look back, there I can see more. Just look at Corona BS and what the current government (CDU and SPD) did. German prostitution system is close to collapse, because I can't be a legal customer anymore. How should some of the hookers survive now?
SPD is very strict when it comes to Corona rules. It is the partie of the old people, old people are still in big danger (even if they are vaccinated), the old people need extra protection. SPD prefers the 2 G rule (vaxxed or recovered) for (example) restaurants, bars and clubs. 2 G means less customers than 3 G. I doubt that sex clubs are happy with less customers.
The Greens are wearing helmet while driving e-bikes. But not because the bikes are too fast, no, because usually they don't have driving license and don't know some basic traffic rules and people who don't know some basic traffic rules are usually what, when they don't "stay at home" ? Right, they are in very big danger. If you are in Germany and you see someone with a FFP2 mask while driving bicycle all by himself, then it is 9 out of 10 times a cop or a cop who is voting for the Greens.
The Greens don't like unvaxxed people, because the Unvaxxed don't show enough hipster solidarity with the pharmaceutical mafia. Agenda sh*t. How should the clubs open when Germany is having a climate Lockdown? You know how much energy clubs like Samya, Sharks or big Artemis are needing? If you ask the Green they would give you the answer, "way to much." I guess the clubs need to become more "green" to stay "relevant" for the moving system.
FDP is selling vaccine, but they are also playing the smooth corona deniers, some opposition. While the other parties are talking about how dangerous little Virus is, FDP is talking about the importance of human basic rights. Maybe it helps, but the Agenda is obviously too powerful.
All in all I would say, the impact from the upcoming government on your hobby won't be that big. Higher prices, lower service, maybe a bit cold and dark in winter, higher prices and you only meet very nice vaccinated people or people with a vaccine ID made in Romania.
Everybody I know is still hating. Make rough love to the local German government!What a load of BS!
Hey guys do you think a left of center government will have any impact on our hobby?It's hard to say. It is now almost clear that the new government will be SPD (social democrats), Greens, and FDP (libertarian, I. E. Financially / economically on the right in US terms but socially on the left). It was the SPD / Green government which made prostitution more legal than it was, and the SPD / CDU (Christian Democrats) government which introduced the "new law". 10 years ago, I would have been sure that the new government would liberalize prostitution even more. But it's hard to say. While not anything near as much as in the States, left-of-centre parties (which they all are, though one could argue that the FDP is right of centre economically / financially) have been affected by wokism recently. So it's hard to say. But I'm pretty sure that it won't get worse. Maybe it will get better.
It's hard to say. It is now almost clear that the new government will be SPD (social democrats), Greens, and FDP (libertarian, I. E. Financially / economically on the right in US terms but socially on the left). It was the SPD / Green government which made prostitution more legal than it was, and the SPD / CDU (Christian Democrats) government which introduced the "new law". 10 years ago, I would have been sure that the new government would liberalize prostitution even more. But it's hard to say. While not anything near as much as in the States, left-of-centre parties (which they all are, though one could argue that the FDP is right of centre economically / financially) have been affected by wokism recently. So it's hard to say. But I'm pretty sure that it won't get worse. Maybe it will get better.Good point is prostitution is very cultural in Germany, same like in NL or Spain, when tight ass politics in France and land of hypocrisy in porn valley US. But really exploding cases and some hospitals are a bit worrying, when I experienced first minus zero real Winter night in south Darmstadt, when Hamburg, Berlin and ex DDR are colder. Already 2 G in some parts.
After Saxe, Bavaria and Saarland, NRW may close soon? What about Hessen? For other sport, Bundesliga, empty stadiums. Look like 1 year ago, despite vaccine since beginning of the year. May have to return to Switzerland.
6 sens nearly in Aachen is now closed under new NL lockdown until at least 14 January. Some Bruggen girls worked there, not the most attractive at 6 for me. Even midnight when normal is too early for me, but a good club with nice staff and my friend cooker from Bruggen. When I most often left full heavy balls before covid, but had 3 really good visits with 4 100/60 rooms on best of Globe level for GFE and little sweet mum, or elegant are prettier than at Globe. When I don't think I will ever see YY reopening, but 6 staff make really good job and even not many attractive looks for me, but they are really good GFE level. I wish good luck to 6 staff, I know they are used to closing / reopening. Same like for Sharks, improvement compare to my visits before covid.
What about Hessen? ... Look like 1 year ago, despite vaccine since beginning of the year....I heard ordinary dance clubs (disco) are closed, expect they are offering food, then they could still be open. But dancing is illegal! Love clubs should be next on the list.
You are right, same shitty show like last year. Time to bring it to the streets.
Don't be scared.
BigBuddy69
12-20-21, 18:27
I heard ordinary dance clubs (disco) are closed, expect they are offering food, then they could still be open. But dancing is illegal! Love clubs should be next on the list.
You are right, same shitty show like last year. Time to bring it to the streets.
Don't be scared.Good idea. Go protest because the fuck clubs are closed. I'm sure that the governments will really care.
I heard ordinary dance clubs (disco) are closed, expect they are offering food, then they could still be open. But dancing is illegal! Love clubs should be next on the list.
You are right, same shitty show like last year. Time to bring it to the streets.
Don't be scared.At the moment, brothels remain open in NRW and Hessen, under 2 G+. Maybe also in Saarland. But not best moment for good casting until end of January.
According to this website: https://www.exberliner.com/features/politics/2g-in-berlin-what-to-know/.
December 16 update: 2 G+ tests no longer required after booster shot.
In the latest effort to incentivise top-up vaccinations, people who have received their Covid-19 booster shots are no longer obliged to present a negative test when entering 2 G+ venues. The test requirement will be dropped 15 days after the booster was administered. One exception remains: those entering care homes, hospitals and other medical facilities must show a negative test, boostered or not.
Anyone cares to confirm that?
FilthyBeaver
12-23-21, 15:15
No issue anywhere with CDC paper card stapled into my passport.
According to this website: https://www.exberliner.com/features/politics/2g-in-berlin-what-to-know/.
December 16 update: 2 G+ tests no longer required after booster shot.
In the latest effort to incentivize top-up vaccinations, people who have received their Covid-19 booster shots are no longer obliged to present a negative test when entering 2 G+ venues. The test requirement will be dropped 15 days after the booster was administered. One exception remains: those entering care homes, hospitals and other medical facilities must show a negative test, boostered or not.
Anyone cares to confirm that?
No issue anywhere with CDC paper card stapled into my passport.It appears this was Pfizers plan all along as the CDC card coincidentally has a spot for a third dose. Even before a third dose was required!
When Iasie is in Moldavian part of Romania and many Romanians claim to be Moldavian, but then they should know at least about Chisinau, Rischnau. Blond Ivana ex GT Bruggen is not Moldavian, nor Russian she claimed to be when she started at GT coming from Stuttgart, but Romanian I was told by theke who asked me about her when she just arrived. I answered she couldn t speak Russian and never repeated even she was friendly but not GFE. Never saw any real Russian or even Ukrainian not speaking Russian. I remember blond half German half Russian Linda at GT, no wow in bed but we spoke good in Russian, or super sweet GFE very pretty blond half German half Ukrainian Fabienne at YY also speaking Russian. Maybe because Republic of Moldavia can compete with Bulgaria and Ukraine under Putin, for more poor than Romania, but when real Russians and Ukrainians can t work in Germany, but Moldavians can and are less expensive than some less pretty Romanians at Sharks, 100/60 for my experiences, for highest GFE level there with natural beauties, when I would choose one among Globe casting when no elegance like her there.
Neurosynth
01-12-22, 07:47
It appears this was Pfizers plan all along as the CDC card coincidentally has a spot for a third dose. Even before a third dose was required!Given that COVID-19 is a work in progress, and given that boosters are not at all surprising when dealing with antiviral vaccines, it would have been stupid to not have included space for further shots based on new developments.
But conspiracy nuts will see conspiracies wherever they look. Sorry to be harsh, but the virus is still real, people are still dying in huge numbers, and it's still the unvaccinated doing most of the dying.
Given that COVID-19 is a work in progress, and given that boosters are not at all surprising when dealing with antiviral vaccines, it would have been stupid to not have included space for further shots based on new developments.
But conspiracy nuts will see conspiracies wherever they look. Sorry to be harsh, but the virus is still real, people are still dying in huge numbers, and it's still the unvaccinated doing most of the dying.Half Europeans should catch covid in 2 next months. Peak for highest cases rate is not yet when around 500000 new cases yesterday in France with 339 deaths. 379 deaths yesterday in UK with crazy Johnson caught partying twice. 2650 known deaths in US. Omicron is now more than 80% new cases and third dose after only 3 months and vaccine for more than 6 yo, under Omicron spreading.
6 sens NL Aachen. De is reopening, but unfortunately closing too early for me.
6 sens NL Aachen. De is reopening, but unfortunately closing too early for me.Now opening until 10 pm and HH is back. When some will be back, I wish for same level than on 2021 with some more attractive than at Globe. 100/60 on 2021, now 60/30 or 110/60, same than Bab Elsdorf.
If you have pass with booster working in EU, you don't need test for most NRW clubs at the moment. Most interesting for me at the moment is Gold with entry 25 and had a GFE Globe level room for 80/60 with a more elegant than at Globe and no silicon. Hessen and even World still closed at the moment. Switzerland is open. Also 6 sens NL but not A team yet when lockdown is now finished in NL.
UssbTravel
02-01-22, 03:48
Do you mind to share her name?
If you have pass with booster working in EU, you don't need test for most NRW clubs at the moment. Most interesting for me at the moment is Gold with entry 25 and had a GFE Globe level room for 80/60 with a more elegant than at Globe and no silicon. Hessen and even World still closed at the moment. Switzerland is open. Also 6 sens NL but not A team yet when lockdown is now finished in NL.
Do you mind to share her name?I wrote I had at Gold Ratingen, my fifth NRW club on my week end, a girl, I should say a woman when she is 40, more elegant, with prettier face and on top of GFE level compare to Globe, for 80 € for 1 hour. My first ever 40 yo woman when my girlfriend couldn't reach, but it just confirmed me women are more interesting than little girls or prostitute image or behavior. When I never noticed her before but except on Summer 2019, I was not a very regular, but I would be happy to repeat when she is much more difficult to make cum than younger. My best on my 5 NRW clubs tour when I didn't find any attractive in 4 first clubs. Far higher level than very pretty model type Eli. Ro also at Gold.
I have been reading tons about how Germany is no longer considering the J&J vaccine a full vaccine fully vaccinated.
I have had the Jessen *J&J* as well as a booter. (2 total shots). What do I need to do to visit there in April? Do I need to start another round with another vaccine?
I have been reading tons about how Germany is no longer considering the J&J vaccine a full vaccine fully vaccinated.
I have had the Jessen *J&J* as well as a booter. (2 total shots). What do I need to do to visit there in April? Do I need to start another round with another vaccine?You are like me, You are the best for whole NRW if You have ARN booster. Third dose would kill me, no more, it was just for my freedom. Now I wait to see on intense violent effort for hours under high heat, to know if they killed me.
I have been reading tons about how Germany is no longer considering the J&J vaccine a full vaccine fully vaccinated.
I have had the Jessen *J&J* as well as a booter. (2 total shots). What do I need to do to visit there in April? Do I need to start another round with another vaccine?Did you get a J&J boost after your first J&J then? I would prefer not to get a J&J boost because I had wicked Tinnitus from the first J&J. Novavax just submitted their app to the CDC yesterday, so I'm waiting to see what happens with that. Pretty sure DE will accept Novavax booster because Novavax is already approved in DE. Looking forward to recuperating from the booster in FKK LOL.
Did you get a J&J boost after your first J&J then? I would prefer not to get a J&J boost because I had wicked Tinnitus from the first J&J. Novavax just submitted their app to the CDC yesterday, so I'm waiting to see what happens with that. Pretty sure DE will accept Novavax booster because Novavax is already approved in DE. Looking forward to recuperating from the booster in FKK LOL.I actually got the Moderna Booster. The plan is to go back and try to get shots 1 and 2 of Moderna as well before April if possible.
Did you get a J&J boost after your first J&J then? I would prefer not to get a J&J boost because I had wicked Tinnitus from the first J&J. Novavax just submitted their app to the CDC yesterday, so I'm waiting to see what happens with that. Pretty sure DE will accept Novavax booster because Novavax is already approved in DE. Looking forward to recuperating from the booster in FKK LOL.At the moment, booster have to be ARN. 1 JJ + 1 ARN make EU valid pass. Until next dose when high spreading, still many deaths. Kitten Omicron from US or Japan, but US which are down under with so many deaths, again more than 3500 known yesterday, think now to vaccine 6 months old babies. Is it just to make Pfizer business or because Omicron kill too many US? When just arithmetic's and probability high spreading kill many. More than 1100 deaths yesterday in UK. Usually around 200 daily in Germany. More than 300 in France. At least our medical still think Omicron is very dangerous and killer.
I actually got the Moderna Booster. The plan is to go back and try to get shots 1 and 2 of Moderna as well before April if possible.1 JJ and 1 Moderna booster which made me sick is Ok. I enter everywhere in NRW without test, even if I m positive, when I won t test daily like some in France. Only 6 sens NL on border take your temperature.
Escape Artist
02-19-22, 12:26
I have been reading tons about how Germany is no longer considering the J&J vaccine a full vaccine fully vaccinated.
I have had the Jessen *J&J* as well as a booter. (2 total shots). What do I need to do to visit there in April? Do I need to start another round with another vaccine?Sounds like by April, you're good to go regardless of vax status.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-plans-end-of-covid-restrictions/a-60800111
Jeffrey E. 's friend in France, Jean Luc. Be. Recently allegedly committed suicide and also Prince A. Paid what is estimated by the Times to be 12 million pounds to settle his civil case.
Supposedly the money comes from selling his Verbier property and some chipped in by Queen E who is basically a super rich landlord as she is the owner of the Duchy of Lancaster which collected 20 million pounds from rental properties per year.
Sounds like by April, you're good to go regardless of vax status.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-plans-end-of-covid-restrictions/a-60800111The only thing that stops transmission is masks and distancing and capacity controls so the vaccine is really useless anyway.
Escape Artist
02-20-22, 17:25
The only thing that stops transmission is masks and distancing and capacity controls so the vaccine is really useless anyway.So you're saying abstinence is the best policy? Hah.
Neurosynth
02-23-22, 05:00
The only thing that stops transmission is masks and distancing and capacity controls so the vaccine is really useless anyway.Stop passing false information that kills. The unvaccinated are doing 90%+ of the dying. The vaccinated are rarely hospitalized, and almost never die.
Of course the vaccine is useful.
(In addition, the vaccine prevents transmission by preventing people from becoming infected in the first place.).
Stop passing false information that kills. The unvaccinated are doing 90%+ of the dying. The vaccinated are rarely hospitalized, and almost never die.
Of course the vaccine is useful.
(In addition, the vaccine prevents transmission by preventing people from becoming infected in the first place.).How about taking the endless debates about Covid and vaccines to Coronavirus forum? These debates have become very tiresome after nearly two years, and the very last place to seek info about those topics is the monger forum.
Neurosynth
02-24-22, 06:36
How about taking the endless debates about Covid and vaccines to Coronavirus forum? These debates have become very tiresome after nearly two years, and the very last place to seek info about those topics is the monger forum.I didn't initiate this, and I agree it doesn't belong here, but deadly lies cannot be left unchallenged.
My neighbour, over 60 yo, 1, 2, 3 jabs, boostered had covid with quite heavy symptoms lately.
He is so happy to still be alive, the booster made him survive.
My neighbour, over 60 yo, 1, 2, 3 jabs, boostered had covid with quite heavy symptoms lately.
He is so happy to still be alive, the booster made him survive.Yes vaccine saved millions lives, but didn't stop spreading, Omicron still killing too many on 2022. Putin should shoot Omicron rather than poor Ukrainians.
Yes vaccine saved millions lives, but didn't stop spreading, Omicron still killing too many on 2022. Putin should shoot Omicron rather than poor Ukrainians.The UN estimates 5 million people will try to flee.
I predict an quick end once the spetznatz team kills President Z.
Bad Boy Billy
02-26-22, 01:29
OK if I ask for advice on FKKs and not Covid? .
Travelling from OZ to Germany for a trade show in Dortmund early April. Advice please on best location to enjoy 1 day and couple afts / nts in FKK and travel to / fro Dortmund on train.
Would Duisburg, Dusseldorf or Cologne offer best access to best FKK Clubs in close proximity? I seriously have no idea on that area.
Will be heading to Sharks and Oase after show before dep Frankfurt. Thanks in advance for advice?
Germany is reported to give 1,000 anti tank and 500 surface to air missles, delivered by UK to Ukraine.
Instagram is reportedly under attack by Russia and Ukrainian girls have not been posting pics and not earning any ad revenue.
Instagram is reportedly under attack by Russia and Ukrainian girls have not been posting pics and not earning any ad revenue.Hmm, what are you trying to say? LOL.
OK if I ask for advice on FKKs and not Covid? .
Travelling from OZ to Germany for a trade show in Dortmund early April. Advice please on best location to enjoy 1 day and couple afts / nts in FKK and travel to / fro Dortmund on train.
Would Duisburg, Dusseldorf or Cologne offer best access to best FKK Clubs in close proximity? I seriously have no idea on that area.
Will be heading to Sharks and Oase after show before dep Frankfurt. Thanks in advance for advice?I would advice Aca Gold and Penelope around Dusseldorf.
Yesterday, when was told my 40 yo great woman was not working, changed direction from theüsseldorf to Frankfurt. Just entering Sharks, a girl told me: why do you write on me I m degraded, when I never used these words about her. Interesting, when girls read us, at least me, at Sharks, Globe, before at GT and LR, how they project their self image problems, even changing meaning of our words. Remind me Kate just arrived at Bruggen on 2017, when I joked: now you are 25, you are too old. Bad joke making her mad, I never saw her like this since 2 years we met. Like if my words deeply touch some girls, when they should better not read us if they have self image problems. Even she really didn't need, but I remember Kate needing to change on her body.
Germany is reported to give 1,000 anti tank and 500 surface to air missles, delivered by UK to Ukraine.....If that is so they will end up in Russian hands.
Escape Artist
02-27-22, 17:05
OK if I ask for advice on FKKs and not Covid? .
Travelling from OZ to Germany for a trade show in Dortmund early April. Advice please on best location to enjoy 1 day and couple afts / nts in FKK and travel to / fro Dortmund on train.
Would Duisburg, Dusseldorf or Cologne offer best access to best FKK Clubs in close proximity? I seriously have no idea on that area.
Will be heading to Sharks and Oase after show before dep Frankfurt. Thanks in advance for advice?Cologne and Dusseldorf to Dortmund will both take you an hour to travel by car if there's little traffic. Well over an hour by train and likely closer to 2 hours with wait times and walk time. Duisburg is a little closer but will still result in 1 hour commute times each way and likely even longer.
Staying in those areas and commuting to Dortmund will take 3 hours out of your day, likely even longer.
Penelope is a cheap club located much closer to Dortmund. It's not Sharks or Oase but it's the biggest club near Dortmund offering 15-20 girls on the slow times and 40-50 girls on busy weekend nights. No frills club with basic food, amenities, and cheap construction. Average girl is a probably a six. Top 2-3 girls could / would be popular at Sharks. Most girls are not GFE providers but you can find a few. Club rate is 40 e per half but some girls will try to charge 50 e or more for anything other than 15 minute CBJ fuckhole service. Prime hours are 3 pm to 9 pm, later on weekends.
Acapulco Gold in Ratingen outside of Dusseldorf is the next closest club worth visiting. Basically the same situation / style as Penelope. Cheap club, acceptable line up.
A little further into Dusseldorf is Oceans where you can find good optics late at night. Venue is comparable to Sharks but you will likely be charged a heavy room rate.
Considering your need to be in Dortmund, I don't see visiting Cologne clubs being worth the time and effort since you will be headed to Frankfurt anyway.
SuperStuder
02-27-22, 18:31
I've only ever been to Goldentime Vienna around 2016! And now I'm ready to go again. What clubs are good right now. I heard Covid changed a lot! Lineup and options is everything to me! What clubs anywhere is actually good right now!
Thank you so much from a newbie!
If that is so they will end up in Russian hands.Ukraine is now advertising for foreigners to join its army. Besides giving free instructions to make Molotov cocktails, your local Ukrainian Embassy will fly you in to Poland and arrange a pick up to join.
Like for me, far is the distance from my pelvis to my cockhead.
Most girls also do love far.
But I am aware of some posters here on the board that are scared of far.
They will get many foreign men including posters on this board if they offer free Ukrainian stunners to keep you company at nights.Not this foreign man. Not about to get my nuts blown off over some pussy.
I've only ever been to Goldentime Vienna around 2016! And now I'm ready to go again. What clubs are good right now. I heard Covid changed a lot! Lineup and options is everything to me! What clubs anywhere is actually good right now!
Thank you so much from a newbie!Sixsens NL close to Aachen, Acapulco Gold close to Dusseldorf airport.
PlateauPunter
03-01-22, 01:39
Hello,
I am planning to split time between Munster (NRW), Dusseldorf, and Cologne. I spend some time on my last visit, in December '21, at Oceans. I will be staying close to the Hauptbahnoff's during my stay in these cities. Any recommendations? I am seeing positive comments on Aca Gold. Thanks much!
Baloney Pony
03-01-22, 08:08
OK if I ask for advice on FKKs and not Covid? .
Travelling from OZ to Germany for a trade show in Dortmund early April. Advice please on best location to enjoy 1 day and couple afts / nts in FKK and travel to / fro Dortmund on train.
Would Duisburg, Dusseldorf or Cologne offer best access to best FKK Clubs in close proximity? I seriously have no idea on that area.
Will be heading to Sharks and Oase after show before dep Frankfurt. Thanks in advance for advice?Might want to do a search for "freudenhaus" on this site, and elsewhere. They have a location in Dortmund. Never been; just been doing research, and it was listed. Good luck, and wherever you go. Please post a review!
Bad Boy Billy
03-01-22, 23:13
Might want to do a search for "freudenhaus" on this site, and elsewhere. They have a location in Dortmund. Never been; just been doing research, and it was listed. Good luck, and wherever you go. Please post a review!Thanks BP. Have settled on Dusseldorf and train to Dortmund. Only 2 day trade show so I can live with train travel. Have basically 1 full day on arr so Oceans may get the nod. Then 2 nts so up in the air where to attack then. After Dusseldorf 1 full day in Sharks and then 1 full day in Oase then backk to OZ. YES I will post info on ALL clubs as I find them. Thanks to all for your valuable input.
For occasional visitors like myself who travel from other side of the world it is so important to get accurate up to date info on clubs rather than be continually re-reading anecdotal historical reports. The good ol' days are way gone but we still got to make hay if the sun is shining.
Hello,
I am planning to split time between Munster (NRW), Dusseldorf, and Cologne. I spend some time on my last visit, in December '21, at Oceans. I will be staying close to the Hauptbahnoff's during my stay in these cities. Any recommendations? I am seeing positive comments on Aca Gold. Thanks much!At Oceans you find stunners. At Aca Gold you find more leftovers. It's pure accidental luck if you find a hottie there.
At least pre pandemic.
At Oceans you find stunners. At Aca Gold you find more leftovers. It's pure accidental luck if you find a hottie there.
At least pre pandemic.Things changed under covid. Gold and Penelope may be higher level now than Prime. I think GT Oceans casting is now lower than Oceans before. Palace and Oase fell under no business there as say girls leaving. Even Sharks is not at best since reopening on 2022. Best looks are at 6 for me.
GuyBrusg1957
03-09-22, 05:29
If cost doesn't matter, what's the best GFE club? I keep seeing Sharks and Six Sens? Anything else?
Beagleface
03-09-22, 07:13
Thanks BP. Have settled on Dusseldorf and train to Dortmund. Only 2 day trade show so I can live with train travel. Have basically 1 full day on arr so Oceans may get the nod. Then 2 nts so up in the air where to attack then. After Dusseldorf 1 full day in Sharks and then 1 full day in Oase then backk to OZ. YES I will post info on ALL clubs as I find them. Thanks to all for your valuable input.
For occasional visitors like myself who travel from other side of the world it is so important to get accurate up to date info on clubs rather than be continually re-reading anecdotal historical reports. The good ol' days are way gone but we still got to make hay if the sun is shining.I'm probably heading to Frankfurt and probably Dusseldorf in May so I'll be looking for your reports Billy. I'll be traveling from USA. I had many good times at Oase especially but maybe those days are gone?
I'm probably heading to Frankfurt and probably Dusseldorf in May so I'll be looking for your reports Billy. I'll be traveling from USA. I had many good times at Oase especially but maybe those days are gone?So I see a lot of us asking the same question (s) over and over. Which club. As Covid is now just starting to ease up and the girls are also just starting to return, I don't think we'll have any accurate info for the next month. I've read a few reports on other German language boards of guys saying their favorites have switched clubs but girls seem to be coming back. Remember also we are coming up on Easter when traditioinally a lot of the Romanian girls head home (maybe they will maybe they won't as they haven't had any income in 2 years).
I noticed on a couple of the well known escort sites that 50-70% of the ladies have not posted new hours since 2019 and have "not reachable" on their pages. Every day one or two seem to be back. So. Stay tuned. Ha ha.
I was just watching the news here in the USA about the refugee center set up in Bucharest. There will never be more beautiful Romanian women than the volunteers in the shelter.
I was just watching the news here in the USA about the refugee center set up in Bucharest. There will never be more beautiful Romanian women than the volunteers in the shelter.The USA should absolutely send a fleet of 747's to Romania and Poland and pick up the Ukrainian women ASAP.
Since covid, girls speak more German and less English.
I've come across a young lady on Reddit in the sex worker subreddit who posted that she moved to the Netherlands and is getting into sex work now that she had gotten her NL identity card. I offered to take a conversation off-line into chat I didn't want to come across as a stalker or other type of strange guy, so I didn't ask questions about her nationality, age, looks or what kind of sex work she was doing or wanted to do. I assumed she was living in Amsterdam, but didn't ask her that question either. She hasn't asked for money, which would cause me to break off the conversation. I did ask her if she had an EU work permit which would significantly increase her work choices. I mentioned FKKs in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and sex work in Spain.
I left it with her this morning that I really didn't know pros & cons for the girls in terms of the different work options and that I would try to find out. If anyone has any suggestions for sex worker websites for Europe, I know she would be appreciative. Thanks!
I've come across a young lady on Reddit in the sex worker subreddit who posted that she moved to the Netherlands and is getting into sex work now that she had gotten her NL identity card. I offered to take a conversation off-line into chat I didn't want to come across as a stalker or other type of strange guy, so I didn't ask questions about her nationality, age, looks or what kind of sex work she was doing or wanted to do. I assumed she was living in Amsterdam, but didn't ask her that question either. She hasn't asked for money, which would cause me to break off the conversation. I did ask her if she had an EU work permit which would significantly increase her work choices. I mentioned FKKs in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and sex work in Spain.
I left it with her this morning that I really didn't know pros & cons for the girls in terms of the different work options and that I would try to find out. If anyone has any suggestions for sex worker websites for Europe, I know she would be appreciative. Thanks!I would advice her to find a normal job when NL look for and try to attract some kind of employees. I would not advice any woman to go to be fucked for job or not even webcam.
No more pass asked in NRW despite still spreading. Only money say desk.
Trans Atlantic
04-04-22, 06:32
Last time I was in Germany pre COVID. Appreciate a summary as to what has changed.
Judging by some of the threads I take it GT Bruggen is closed. Did it reopen as Oceans? If so there is Oceans in Bruggen and one in theüsseldorf?.
Living Room permanently closed?
Is Aca by Ratigen open?
What about Aca Velbert? It was being rebranded?
Dolce Vita?
Thanks.
Last time I was in Germany pre COVID. Appreciate a summary as to what has changed.
Judging by some of the threads I take it GT Bruggen is closed. Did it reopen as Oceans? If so there is Oceans in Bruggen and one in thesseldorf?.
Living Room permanently closed?
Is Aca by Ratigen open?
What about Aca Velbert? It was being rebranded?Golden Time is now at Oceans building from 11 am to 11 pm, HH 35 until 1 pm. LR is closed. Gold is open. Velbert is Prime.
Last time I was in Germany pre COVID. Appreciate a summary as to what has changed.
Judging by some of the threads I take it GT Bruggen is closed. Did it reopen as Oceans? If so there is Oceans in Bruggen and one in thesseldorf?.
Living Room permanently closed?
Is Aca by Ratigen open?
What about Aca Velbert? It was being rebranded?
Dolce Vita?
Thanks.RTFF.
Judging by some of the threads I take it GT Bruggen is closed. Did it reopen as Oceans? If so there is Oceans in Bruggen and one in thesseldorf?. Goldentime Brüggen was destroyed in a fire during the final stages of refurbishment. It had been bought by the operators of Oceans, who then brought over the staff from Brüggen hoping to make it a day club as Goldentime.
Living Room permanently closed? Yes.
Is Aca by Ratigen open? Acapulco Gold is still open.
What about Aca Velbert? It was being rebranded? Yes, there are new operators and the place is called Prime..
Dolce Vita? Closed.
RTFF.
Judging by some of the threads I take it GT Bruggen is closed. Did it reopen as Oceans? If so there is Oceans in Bruggen and one in thesseldorf?. Goldentime Brggen was destroyed in a fire during the final stages of refurbishment. It had been bought by the operators of Oceans, who then brought over the staff from Brggen hoping to make it a day club as Goldentime.
Living Room permanently closed? Yes.
Is Aca by Ratigen open? Acapulco Gold is still open.
What about Aca Velbert? It was being rebranded? Yes, there are new operators and the place is called Prime..
Dolce Vita? Closed.Only 1 GT theke on desk at Oceans. How do You know they were finishing works in Bruggen?
Hi,
I have Been to many places for many years, specially LR Dusseldorf. Sad to hear its no longer operating.
I am going to Hamburg soon and my favorite place there is Babylon, does anybody have info about the place these days? Cheers.
I want to go to Frankfurt soon. What is the FKK club with the most amount of girls in it? And on what day and hour?
I want to go to Frankfurt soon. What is the FKK club with the most amount of girls in it? And on what day and hour?For most numerous girls, Sharks on Friday or Saturday after 5 pm, but quantity is not always quality. Sharks 2022 is not yet on 2021 level.
Hello guys,
Does anybody have a collected decision about the best clubs in Germany these days? With the whole package: girls, service, value, food, interior.
Cheers.
Hello guys,
Does anybody have a collected decision about the best clubs in Germany these days? With the whole package: girls, service, value, food, interior.
Cheers.For me at the moment, my best are my new Rhur even not best for foods and Gold for my 40 yo woman. When should be bad weather on Saturday for free ride, so I will try to make both before driving 1000 kms at night to free ride 3 Valleys when I wish for sunny Sunday, to make my lines in peuf.
UssbTravel
04-06-22, 20:06
Does anybody have a collected decision about the best clubs in Germany these days? With the whole package: girls, service, value, food, interior.
Upselling, lower quality service, hard to find real beauties. I overpaid now and got worse experiences than before unfortunately. Demand is high but supply is low. Girls will treat you like shit even if you overpay them.
Does anybody have a collected decision about the best clubs in Germany these days? With the whole package: girls, service, value, food, interior.
Upselling, lower quality service, hard to find real beauties. I overpaid now and got worse experiences than before unfortunately. Demand is high but supply is low. Girls will treat you like shit even if you overpay them.What places are you Talking about mate?
For most numerous girls, Sharks on Friday or Saturday after 5 pm, but quantity is not always quality. Sharks 2022 is not yet on 2021 level.If you need to pick up a quality FKK club, what will you pick?
Does anybody have a collected decision about the best clubs in Germany these days? With the whole package: girls, service, value, food, interior.
Upselling, lower quality service, hard to find real beauties. I overpaid now and got worse experiences than before unfortunately. Demand is high but supply is low. Girls will treat you like shit even if you overpay them.Not at all my weekly on 2022 experiences when I discovered 2 wow level for me on this year. A German is always full busy but after our discovery, she always makes free for me among her appointments, to have love as she says, and to shower me in bed. Very good start for this year for me. The other one is for 80/60 for deep GFE.
If you need to pick up a quality FKK club, what will you pick?I don't think at the moment any club has high quality casting, best might be 6 NL on Friday, but I don't care about clubs, I run only for good girls when I love excellence and hate to waste for average, and found 2 really excellent, 26 yo DE without silicon and 40 yo Hu of course without silicon but kind of elegance I look for. Girls are more important for me than clubs. Was told about Atlantis for high quality according to Germans, I wish, for 80/30. Might speed to discover after ski tour which should go to 1 May when snow is falling now. Breuil. It up to Klein Matterhorn to avoid Switzerland, even I wish for Verbier for Easter, wish fresh snow will be solid enough.
I don't think at the moment any club has high quality casting, best might be 6 NL on Friday, but I don't care about clubs, I run only for good girls when I love excellence and hate to waste for average, and found 2 really excellent, 26 yo DE without silicon and 40 yo Hu of course without silicon but kind of elegance I look for. Girls are more important for me than clubs. Was told about Atlantis for high quality according to Germans, I wish, for 80/30. Might speed to discover after ski tour which should go to 1 May when snow is falling now. Breuil. It up to Klein Matterhorn to avoid Switzerland, even I wish for Verbier for Easter, wish fresh snow will be solid enough.I asked about the women's quality and not club-quality.
For me at the moment, my best are my new Rhur even not best for foods and Gold for my 40 yo woman. When should be bad weather on Saturday for free ride, so I will try to make both before driving 1000 kms at night to free ride 3 Valleys when I wish for sunny Sunday, to make my lines in peuf.Witch clubs would you say are the best considering girls, value, service, interior in Germany right now?
In Hamburg?
In Frankfurt?
In theüsseldorf?
Cheers mate.
I asked about the women's quality and not club-quality.Many girls at Sharks but not best quality on 2022, below 2021, when Oase may improve a bit.
Witch clubs would you say are the best considering girls, value, service, interior in Germany right now?
In Hamburg?
In Frankfurt?
In thesseldorf?
Cheers mate.I didn't visit Hamburg since covid. When you really know a bit about cars, not only reading or watching on TV, then you know you can't work to improve on RS5 as you can on S5 but of course you need to engineer to make almost on same powerful level than RS, with competition sparks, improved electronics and powered bioethanol to speed ecological and pay less than half rate for gas. Finding healthy engine to prepare, then a elegant beauty powered with exceptional atmospheric V8 engine, no turbo, manual gear box when stronic can't get so much increased power and then improved with my own mind engineered preparation as I did on 4 previous cars, even last was a failure, and then long straight lines to Hamburg will be a real pleasure to push 300 , after switching off speed limit on electronics and may follow my rhythm for hundreds thousands kilometers when RS engine will never follow for 1 million kilometers. When we are all different, when I m so different, if you want to play porn, then go to Globe, but when I look for love in bed, not more than in bed, Hessen is not at best for me on beginning of this year but 6 NL and around Dusseldorf are good playfields. Bab Elsdorf may also if you are not too demanding for looks. For GFE I look for, Magnum and Prime which are mostly Balkanian business are not best places. I find my girls by myself and then work to make them play love with me. I drive and pay for this.
No more pass asked in NRW despite still spreading. Only money say desk.Seem also no more now in Hessen.
UssbTravel
04-08-22, 17:47
Entry fee is 95 euros which is significant more expensive than German counterparts. I wonder if someone can compared them based on personal experiences.
Entry fee is 95 euros which is significant more expensive than German counterparts. I wonder if someone can compared them based on personal experiences.No! Comparisons between this club (and others in Austria) and the German FKK scene always come up. I have experienced both, and Germany is better. Better quality overall, better service, and all for less money. I think it was just last week or so how I hearkened back to another monger who advised that Austria is no substitute for Germany. The latter offers the best deal in Europe in terms of overall price, quantity, quality, and service. Oh sure, you can go to other places, but you will pay more or have a smaller selection or not get the same level of service, and so on. How many times does this have to be said about Germany versus Austria though? It was just discussed! Please folks RTFF.
Entry fee is 95 euros which is significant more expensive than German counterparts. I wonder if someone can compared them based on personal experiences.GT Vienna casting won't improve with small Maya ex LR.
YellowFin Tuna
04-09-22, 13:07
Judging by older posts, it seems Easter is a terrible time for visiting FKKs. Apparently Romanian girls go home over the holidays. With Easter holidays coming up next week, it would be great to get opinions and up-to-date info from frequent FKKers. I am considering a trip to Hessen, but reading older reports made me think I should postpone my visit.
Are all FKKs affected equally, or are there non-Romanian dominated establishments where one can enjoy a reasonable experience?
Approximately when does FKK-land recover after the holidays?
Thanks.
Judging by older posts, it seems Easter is a terrible time for visiting FKKs. Apparently Romanian girls go home over the holidays. With Easter holidays coming up next week, it would be great to get opinions and up-to-date info from frequent FKKers. I am considering a trip to Hessen, but reading older reports made me think I should postpone my visit.
Are all FKKs affected equally, or are there non-Romanian dominated establishments where one can enjoy a reasonable experience?
Approximately when does FKK-land recover after the holidays?
Thanks.Judging by "older posts". At the risk of speaking out of my ass. And pretending I know it all, I'm going to say that there are so many factors this year that it's a crapshoot. I'm going to go anyway. First I have to be there- so I'd rather be "in the club" than reading about the club. Second, the industry has been shut down for so long that some of the girls will need money. Further, if enough of the regulars don't go and Yellow Fin and I are the only two guys there, I think we'll have some good times. Supply, demand etc. OK Yellow Fin, if it's only you and me then I suggest we talk outside set the prices and have a great time.
And pretending I know it all, I'm going to say that there are so many factors this year that it's a crapshoot. I'm going to go anyway.Same here, I'm driving over arriving next Friday and I will be checking it out for the next seven days. I'm thinking about stopping by Acapulco Gold, Finca, Venus Hamminkelm and Samya, Prime may not be on my list as the last time it was dead during the day. Bernd's may be on my list for my last full day. Each day will start with a visit to an RTC and I'll be checking Grimberg, Arabella and Luderland, maybe Verena too. As a backup, I have a bunch of contacts from Sexdo who say on the site that they offer the service that I want.
Judging by older posts, it seems Easter is a terrible time for visiting FKKs. Apparently Romanian girls go home over the holidays. With Easter holidays coming up next week, it would be great to get opinions and up-to-date info from frequent FKKers. I am considering a trip to Hessen, but reading older reports made me think I should postpone my visit.
Are all FKKs affected equally, or are there non-Romanian dominated establishments where one can enjoy a reasonable experience?
Approximately when does FKK-land recover after the holidays?.For Romanians, orthodox Easter which is on 24. Those who can afford will return to family for one of their most important day of the year. After covid, maybe they will stay at home for less long than before.
Romania celebrates Orthodox Easter, which in 2022 falls on Sunday 24th April. That is one week behind Western Easter (Sunday 17th April).
Orthodox Easter is one of the most major holidays in Romania, and that is when girls with family in Romania used to go back for a few days (or maybe a week). Western Easter (which falls one or two weeks earlier) was normally used to work hard to bring something nice home.
Then again, Tintin and Downandup are so right: There are so many other factors this year. I will not speculate. Keep expectations low and enjoy.
When gas heavily increased in Germany and Luxemburg, now less expensive in France and we have best cheapest gas, bioethanol, when already not many faster than 200 before, but now Germans are really slow on autobahns, competing with Swiss snails, when I drove on last Saturday from Rhur to Basel speeding with 600000 kms on next week end old lady with original, improved engine, manual gearbox and clutch, and I was even faster between Base and Zurich than Germans on autobahns. With our bioethanol, can spped to 300 when legal, saving planet and no need to count how many drunk gas liters.
The conditions have not been finalized yet. But it seems, at minimum this will allow one to ride all local buses and trains everywhere in Germany. Meaning the same ticket that you use in the Frankfurt city network could also be used in the Dusseldorf city network for the entire month. The ICE train between the two cities, however, would cost extra.
There is also discussion about the 9 EUR ticket applying to all regional trains (RB, IRE, RE) nationwide. In theory, one could travel from Frankfurt to Dusseldorf using only regional trains. You can search for this on the Deutsche Bahn website by checking the box "Nur Nahverkehr". Using regional trains, one can get from FFM to DUS in 3 h35 min with one transfer in Koblenz. For context, the RE 60 (4661) train from Frankfurt main station to Darmstadt main station is currently 9 EUR one-way.
Even for those who rent a car, 9 EUR is not a bad investment, if one makes a trip to city center to eat or shop. So one could leave their rental car parked in the outskirts and take a train to the city center, avoiding both traffic and parking fees.
https://www.tonight.de/duesseldorf/9-euro-ticket-in-duesseldorf-ab-wann-gilt-es-wo-bekommt-man-es_181162.html
https://news.in-25.com/news/167943.html
Hello fellow spirits,
I am going to Hamburg next weekend, has anybody Been there recent? In that case, How is the FKK clubs at the moment?
Best place?
Most girls?
Etc.
Cheers.
When gas heavily increased in Germany and Luxemburg, now less expensive in France and we have best cheapest gas, bioethanol, when already not many faster than 200 before, but now Germans are really slow on autobahns, competing with Swiss snails, when I drove on last Saturday from Rhur to Basel speeding with 600000 kms on next week end old lady with original, improved engine, manual gearbox and clutch, and I was even faster between Base and Zurich than Germans on autobahns. With our bioethanol, can spped to 300 when legal, saving planet and no need to count how many drunk gas liters.Bad snow for ski, no attractive girl found at Globe on last week end, only one found at Cleo, but after a bit princess type who became furious for sex while DATY even she was not fast and I needed to work hard finishing with 4 fingers deep inside her wide open squirting, at Swiss Dietikon, then I offered old lady for her 600 000 kms birthday to push original improved engine for more than 200 km / h on my way back home through small part of Germany, entering in Rheinfelden. Original engine, manual gear box and clutch speeding for 600 000 kms. Because You drive like this, say Audi. What could be with elegant look with noble engine V8 32 S5 with manual gear box of course to feel better working the mechanic, to improve powerful and powered with our ecological bioethanol gas.
Hello fellow spirits,
I am going to Hamburg next weekend, has anybody Been there recent? In that case, How is the FKK clubs at the moment?
Best place?
Most girls?
Etc.
Cheers.Harmony is the best club in this area.
Harmony is the best club in this area.Atmos can worth on Friday or Saturday evening.
DJ FourMoney
04-29-22, 00:12
I am coming back to the Old World I hope before summer price hikes start.
I have been to Oase and Palace before but that was back in 2007.
While discussing this with some others in a private Telegram group I mentioned the racial makeup of the majority of the various places.
At that time, I found it was mostly Eastern Europeans, mainly Romanian, Polish and Bulgarian with a dash of local Germans. Pursing some of the reports of distinction didn't turn up much in recent information.
So to settle this discussion I wanted to know what is the current racial makeup of the women in FKK's, etc, etc?
Thanks.
I am coming back to the Old World I hope before summer price hikes start.
I have been to Oase and Palace before but that was back in 2007.
While discussing this with some others in a private Telegram group I mentioned the racial makeup of the majority of the various places.
At that time, I found it was mostly Eastern Europeans, mainly Romanian, Polish and Bulgarian with a dash of local Germans. Pursing some of the reports of distinction didn't turn up much in recent information.
So to settle this discussion I wanted to know what is the current racial makeup of the women in FKK's, etc, etc?.Mostly Caucasians and few Black girls, few pretty.
DJ FourMoney
04-29-22, 19:32
Mostly Caucasians and few Black girls, few pretty.Still the majority Polish and Hungarian? (White).
Romanians and Bulgarians still present?
Like I said I ask to inform some people. I visited Oase and Palace myself back in 2007 as I stated, looking to confirm what I saw and if it's changed.
Still the majority Polish and Hungarian? (White).
Romanians and Bulgarians still present?
Like I said I ask to inform some people. I visited Oase and Palace myself back in 2007 as I stated, looking to confirm what I saw and if it's changed.The last time you visited was about the time that Romanians started to become the predominant group. About 80+% Romanian in most clubs these days and a few Bulgarians and Germans.
It's quite rare to find girls from Poland and Hungary in FKK clubs anymore. The lineups featured more nationalities 15 years ago.
The last time you visited was about the time that Romanians started to become the predominant group. About 80+% Romanian in most clubs these days and a few Bulgarians and Germans.
It's quite rare to find girls from Poland and Hungary in FKK clubs anymore. The lineups featured more nationalities 15 years ago.Can still find Hungarians. Polish are now more rare, even Kinga and Amalia ex Bruggen seen at Sharks but not pretty enough for 100/30 even she seems friendly.
Can still find Hungarians. Polish are now more rare, even Kinga and Amalia ex Bruggen seen at Sharks but not pretty enough for 100/30 even she seems friendly.After 2 Globe girls today, new Roxana who is the most fresh and half Russian half German from Hamburg Klara with who the best was to chat a bit in Russian, and when I'm very lucky with my deep Rhur German, but my number 1 on 2022 is my 40 yo Hungarian for how she is woman, her elegance and charm, full GFE for 80/60, when I paid today twice 225 when we were over 45 mn, but much lower level in bed and for charm at Globe.
DJ FourMoney
05-02-22, 22:17
The last time you visited was about the time that Romanians started to become the predominant group. About 80+% Romanian in most clubs these days and a few Bulgarians and Germans.
It's quite rare to find girls from Poland and Hungary in FKK clubs anymore. The lineups featured more nationalities 15 years ago.Great, thanks!
GuyBrusg1957
05-09-22, 23:22
Why isn't there a FKK world thread?
Why isn't there a FKK world thread?What good is it to tell people to RTFF when they can't even FTFT (find the fucking threads)? Geez!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1464-FKK-World-Giessen
Lucky Nuts
05-09-22, 23:46
Why isn't there a FKK world thread?http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1464-FKK-World-Giessen
Any recommendation on where to get this rapid test on Saturday for my USA return flight on Sunday? I can go to Frankfurt HB or Darmsdadt HB area.
Thanks.
https://15minutentest.de/de/en
Any recommendation on where to get this rapid test on Saturday for my USA return flight on Sunday? I can go to Frankfurt HB or Darmsdadt HB area.
Thanks.
Any recommendation on where to get this rapid test on Saturday for my USA return flight on Sunday? I can go to Frankfurt HB or Darmsdadt HB area.
Thanks.It is better to wait until you catch covid in the USA then get a PCR for free in the USA and then a letter from doctor which will allow free re-entry for 90 days pursuant to the CDC guidelines.
Wry Cooter
05-15-22, 19:59
I'm heading there soon, and I'm not from the EU. Taking a molecular PCR test at airport the day before, for outbound. Bringing some proctored, rapid antigen, approved for travel Covid tests from binaxnow (emed) for return home. I am looking for info on digitizing my vaccine documentation. My research has turned up his article which seems to spell it all out. It's not for NRW / Ruhr but I'll assume it's similar unless told otherwise. Hopefully I can find a pharmacy and an English speaking pharmacist who can make this as painless as possible, and will do it for me as soon as my first day there!
https://www.stuttgartcitizen.com/news/local-pharmacies-offer-transcription-of-cdc-vaccine-cards-into-eu-digital-standard/
Are they even checking for Covid certs on phone or paper vaccine cards right now? Does it differ between the big clubs and the smaller RTC clubs?
I'm heading there soon, and I'm not from the EU. Taking a molecular PCR test at airport the day before, for outbound. Bringing some proctored, rapid antigen, approved for travel Covid tests from binaxnow (emed) for return home. I am looking for info on digitizing my vaccine documentation. My research has turned up his article which seems to spell it all out. It's not for NRW / Ruhr but I'll assume it's similar unless told otherwise. Hopefully I can find a pharmacy and an English speaking pharmacist who can make this as painless as possible, and will do it for me as soon as my first day there!
https://www.stuttgartcitizen.com/news/local-pharmacies-offer-transcription-of-cdc-vaccine-cards-into-eu-digital-standard/
Are they even checking for Covid certs on phone or paper vaccine cards right now? Does it differ between the big clubs and the smaller RTC clubs?All brothels forgot covid.
Time for this American to get back to Frankfurt after almost 3 years! Planning to stay in near the hauptbahnhof and do trips out to Sharks / Darmstadt. Is buying one-way train tickets the most cost effective? Are there full day or weekly passes tickets that might save me some money? The cost adds up.
Also, I've never once been asked to show my ticket in the past -- tempting, but I assume it's not worth the risk?
Also, I've never once been asked to show my ticket in the past -- tempting, but I assume it's not worth the risk?All I know is that in all of my trips to Germany, the one time I have ever been asked to show my train ticket was on a trip to Sharks. Some thin, old, ugly hag in a uniform was going around asking people to show their tickets. Everyone in my car had one. So, spot checks can happen, but indeed they are rare. Best to do the right thing.
Time for this American to get back to Frankfurt after almost 3 years! Planning to stay in near the hauptbahnhof and do trips out to Sharks / Darmstadt. Is buying one-way train tickets the most cost effective? Are there full day or weekly passes tickets that might save me some money? The cost adds up.
Also, I've never once been asked to show my ticket in the past -- tempting, but I assume it's not worth the risk?When are you going? If it's between 01 June and 31 August, search for "9 euro Germany ticket" and just buy that.
BigBuddy69
05-18-22, 19:38
I've been asked a few times to show my ticket around Düsseldorf.
All I know is that in all of my trips to Germany, the one time I have ever been asked to show my train ticket was on a trip to Sharks. Some thin, old, ugly hag in a uniform was going around asking people to show their tickets. Everyone in my car had one. So, spot checks can happen, but indeed they are rare. Best to do the right thing.I've occasionally seen pairs of plain-clothes inspectors on the S-Bahn.
Time for this American to get back to Frankfurt after almost 3 years! Planning to stay in near the hauptbahnhof and do trips out to Sharks / Darmstadt. Is buying one-way train tickets the most cost effective? Are there full day or weekly passes tickets that might save me some money? The cost adds up.
Also, I've never once been asked to show my ticket in the past -- tempting, but I assume it's not worth the risk?I always stay near Hauptbahnhof and take public transportation to the various clubs. One time, I bought my one way ticket back from the machine. We were coming back from Oase. We were inside the train at the station when this young and relatively attractive female controller came in and wanted to check our tickets. I could not find mine but found the outgoing ticket. My wingman had his. After a few minutes, I gave up and was ready to pay a fine. The young lady simply said something in German, seemingly cursing me, and left.
I don't know if Goldengate really opened, but I hear more and more about YY NL reopening, would be great news for me who like high level, with rooms with shower, when 6 is falling more and more Balkanians / Arabs. But between Zurich for new wow Swiss, Dortmund for outstanding lovely German and Roermond, when A3 south Koln was closed on Saturday, I will have to accelerate to create elegant beauty rocket on 4 wheels, when also plan to go to discover FKK Kitzbühel. At on next week end, even driving like on ice with very tired, swinging rear on old lady but engine is still so healthy, just a fight sweating all along. Have to get agreement very fast, because I will have to be much faster than cleaning left line since years.
I don't know if Goldengate really opened, but I hear more and more about YY NL reopening, would be great news for me who like high level, with rooms with shower, when 6 is falling more and more Balkanians / Arabs. But between Zurich for new wow Swiss, Dortmund for outstanding lovely German and Roermond, when A3 south Koln was closed on Saturday, I will have to accelerate to create elegant beauty rocket on 4 wheels, when also plan to go to discover FKK Kitzbhel. At on next week end, even driving like on ice with very tired, swinging rear on old lady but engine is still so healthy, just a fight sweating all along. Have to get agreement very fast, because I will have to be much faster than cleaning left line since years.Confirmed. YY can reopen. Great news. Wish they are higher level for selection than Globe? The place for German part timer. FKK land have good future.
FrenchKiss75
05-23-22, 12:49
A very interesting offer this summer: you can travel one month for only 9 euros on all local trains in Germany!
Not valid on IC or ICE, but you can cross the country with RE trains.
Details here: https://www.bahn.com/en/offers/regional/9-euro-ticket-en.
Anti Silicone
05-25-22, 03:39
A very interesting offer this summer: you can travel one month for only 9 euros on all local trains in Germany!
Not valid on IC or ICE, but you can cross the country with RE trains.
Details here: https://www.bahn.com/en/offers/regional/9-euro-ticket-en.What a good campaign! Only 9 euro for 1 month! I definitely take it.
When I go to Germany, I always use the public transportation.
Keep up the good work in helping Romania. See where your money is going guys?
Keep up the good work in helping Romania. See where your money is going guys?I know that one of my favorites working in Madrid had a house. She showed me pics, as well as of her nice furniture and expensive handbags.
Keep up the good work in helping Romania. See where your money is going guys?The rich Romani are reported to have 55 kilograms of gold in their home!
https://youtu.be/5Ns_G7gKbZ4?t=158
I tried to go to the Partytreff forum just to read what's been going on, or, even if there are any PTs left. The link was dead. Is it just me or has it been taken down? Thanks!Folks. To make a long story short, I discovered that the link for the partytreff forum found in the FKK forum still has the ". Info" domain rather than the newer ". NL" domain. Once I fixed it in my address bar, everything was fine. I asked the mods if they would mind fixing the link.
When 6 ens is not so good than on end of 2021 , really wish YY reopening on 1 July.
GuyBrusg1957
06-23-22, 02:49
I am landing in Amsterdam next week. How difficult would it be to hit up Sharks, Oase, Manhattan, Acapulco Gold, Samya, 6 Sense if I don't have a car? How difficult is it to get to these places?
I planned a huge summer trip for a week but now I am worried the talent level might be terrible from recent reports. Or possibly going to Zurich or Vienna if it isn't good but is that even reasonable?
I am landing in Amsterdam next week. How difficult would it be to hit up Sharks, Oase, Manhattan, Acapulco Gold, Samya, 6 Sense if I don't have a car? How difficult is it to get to these places?
I planned a huge summer trip for a week but now I am worried the talent level might be terrible from recent reports. Or possibly going to Zurich or Vienna if it isn't good but is that even reasonable?You could take the train from AMS starting of with Sixens and then Samya and then the others. You will not have time to sleep or check into a hotel likely if you plan on visiting all of them in only seven days.
I am landing in Amsterdam next week. How difficult would it be to hit up Sharks, Oase, Manhattan, Acapulco Gold, Samya, 6 Sense if I don't have a car? How difficult is it to get to these places?
I planned a huge summer trip for a week but now I am worried the talent level might be terrible from recent reports. Or possibly going to Zurich or Vienna if it isn't good but is that even reasonable?I can only speak about the Frankfurt clubs. I've always used public transport Ie trains from Frankfurt HBF (the main station) and then a short cab ride. For sharks It's a 20 min train to Darmstadt and then a E10 cab ride (but getting a cab back to Frankfurt after the trains have stopped running is very expensive) so more often than not stayed at a hotel near to Darmstadt for Sharks visits. Again for Oase a 20 min train to Burgolhosen (sure I've spelt it wrong) and a E10 cab from there (usually stay at the Mercure in Burgolhosen to avoid the expensive cab ride back to Frankfurt. For Mainhatten and Palace they're on the tram network and a cab from central Frankfurt won't cost much anyway.
For my last trip rather than moving hotels for each club (I normally limit myself to sharks, Palace and Oase) I stayed in one hotel by Frankfurt HBF and not constantly checking in an out made it a much more relaxing experience. Oase were running a minibus for E5 from the station otherwise I used public transport to get to the clubs and so it only left one expensive ride from sharks.
Mercure hotel in bad homburg is closed and no more oase shuttle bus.
If you stay in sharks until closing in the weekend you can catch the first morning train to Frankfurt a little after 5 am.
I can only speak about the Frankfurt clubs. I've always used public transport Ie trains from Frankfurt HBF (the main station) and then a short cab ride. For sharks It's a 20 min train to Darmstadt and then a E10 cab ride (but getting a cab back to Frankfurt after the trains have stopped running is very expensive) so more often than not stayed at a hotel near to Darmstadt for Sharks visits. Again for Oase a 20 min train to Burgolhosen (sure I've spelt it wrong) and a E10 cab from there (usually stay at the Mercure in Burgolhosen to avoid the expensive cab ride back to Frankfurt. For Mainhatten and Palace they're on the tram network and a cab from central Frankfurt won't cost much anyway.
For my last trip rather than moving hotels for each club (I normally limit myself to sharks, Palace and Oase) I stayed in one hotel by Frankfurt HBF and not constantly checking in an out made it a much more relaxing experience. Oase were running a minibus for E5 from the station otherwise I used public transport to get to the clubs and so it only left one expensive ride from sharks.
Vienna is no better than Frankfurt with average line up and constant up sell. I'm sure you will have better service in Zurich but it's expensive.
I am landing in Amsterdam next week. How difficult would it be to hit up Sharks, Oase, Manhattan, Acapulco Gold, Samya, 6 Sense if I don't have a car? How difficult is it to get to these places?
I planned a huge summer trip for a week but now I am worried the talent level might be terrible from recent reports. Or possibly going to Zurich or Vienna if it isn't good but is that even reasonable?.
I think other than 6 sense, all can be reached out by public transportation rather easily. Plus for months June-August you pay 9 euros only for all local bus / train for the entire month. There are some Japanese youtube videos telling you how to get to the clubs without car.
I am landing in Amsterdam next week. How difficult would it be to hit up Sharks, Oase, Manhattan, Acapulco Gold, Samya, 6 Sense if I don't have a car? How difficult is it to get to these places?
I planned a huge summer trip for a week but now I am worried the talent level might be terrible from recent reports. Or possibly going to Zurich or Vienna if it isn't good but is that even reasonable?
Vienna is no better than Frankfurt with average line up and constant up sell. I'm sure you will have better service in Zurich but it's expensive.
.Globe is not anymore wow, with average looks and not even high level for sex. Too expensive for quality. Only if you want porn.
Mercure hotel in bad homburg is closed and no more oase shuttle bus.
If you stay in sharks until closing in the weekend you can catch the first morning train to Frankfurt a little after 5 am.On the weekend you have at least one train per hour throughout the night / early morning from Darmstadt HBF. Same for Oase, there are now S Bahns throughout the night from Friedrichsdorf during the weekend.
GuyBrusg1957
06-25-22, 04:26
Vienna is no better than Frankfurt with average line up and constant up sell. I'm sure you will have better service in Zurich but it's expensive.
.Noted, I guess maybe I'll hit up Zurich or Wellcum. Barcelona? Or Madrid?
Mercure hotel in bad homburg is closed and no more oase shuttle bus.
If you stay in sharks until closing in the weekend you can catch the first morning train to Frankfurt a little after 5 am.That's a shame on both fronts. I was hoping the shuttle would still be in operation though the only time I got it (in both directions) I was the only passenger at E5 each way.
Noted, I guess maybe I'll hit up Zurich or Wellcum. Barcelona? Or Madrid?Barcelona and Madrid both have great scenes especially Madrid but I wouldn't go there specifically for whoring. Only for general holiday and then made sure I enjoyed myself with the girls on offer. If it's your first time on a European sex tour then Frankfurt should be your first port of call.
GuyBrusg1957
06-26-22, 00:18
Barcelona and Madrid both have great scenes especially Madrid but I wouldn't go there specifically for whoring. Only for general holiday and then made sure I enjoyed myself with the girls on offer. If it's your first time on a European sex tour then Frankfurt should be your first port of call.Thanks for the feedback. My plan is to hit up Sharks and Oase at least I just hope things have recovered from the pandemic, talent is good. I'm a little nervous with recent reports and I hope I didn't ruin a summer trip.
Thanks for the feedback. My plan is to hit up Sharks and Oase at least I just hope things have recovered from the pandemic, talent is good. I'm a little nervous with recent reports and I hope I didn't ruin a summer trip.If it's your first time then I'm sure you'll still be wowed by FKKs. And if you're going for a full week, I'the maybe add a couple of days in Zurich otherwise there are five main clubs in the Frankfurt area. Oase, Sharks, Palace, World, and Mainhatten. My favourite three are Oase, Palace and Sharks. World has a great outlay with huge grounds (as does Oase) but the quantity and quality of the line up rarely justifies making the long trek there. It is near Giessen which is quite far out. Mainhatten I never liked as I went once and most of the girls were rip off merchants (3 of the 5 girls I went with were trying to get more money out of me than their services entitled). All but Palace have outdoor areas so if the weather is nice I'the spend 2 days at Oase and Sharks and 1 at Palace. If you have 7 days, I'the also visit World and Mainhatten but only if the weather was nice and on a day where I needed a recharge knowing I'the only manage one or two sessions and would spend the rest of the day relaxing outside and ideally on a Monday and Tuesday when all the clubs are quieter.
And another one you might want to try is FKK Village which is near FKK World and brand new https://fkk-village.com/ and visiting 2 clubs in Giessen may justify the longer journey from Frankfurt. From memory it takes about 40 minutes by train. Basically if you've a week there's more than enough FKK clubs to keep you occupied in Frankfurt.
Nice club to relax in, but a somewhat weak lineup. Best for summer visits.
* Facilities.
Inside the club there is a bar area, a kino and a dining area. You can also eat your meals outside on a nice patio.
All the wellness facilities are outside, so the club is best suited for summer visits. There is a heated swimming pool, a sauna and a whirlpool. The whirlpool was out of order.
The club has a very nice garden. Unfortunately, there is very little shade there, so unless you plan on sunbathing, the garden is unusable large portions of the day.
I'm guessing that the club is only a couple of years old, as there is very little wear and tear on the interior. The interior design is modern but a bit dark form my taste. The club was nice and clean.
* Staff.
Friendly staff. Passable English skills.
* Food.
The food was simple, but quite good.
The same buffet was served all day. Salad, fresh bread, cheese, ham, sausages, meat balls, schnitzels and a couple of deserts. The staff kept the hot food hot, and the other food fresh.
Cake was available at the bar. They do not serve beer.
* Girls.
My visit was on a Saturday. I arrived 11:00 and stayed until 21:30.
The entire lineup was present at opening time, 12 girls in total. About half needed to loose some weight. Two girls had to much silicone everywhere. One stunner and three good looking girls. Unfortunately, two of the good looking girls were a bit tall for me.
Spoke to 4 of the girls. Very basic English skills. One of the girls only spoke German. None of the girls I spoke to could carry a conversation.
I had two 30 minute rooms with two different girls. Both had the "hurry up and cum" attitude. One suggested finish with hand when there was still 10-15 minutes left. Add to that mediocre English skills. Needless to say. I did not extend any of the sessions.
From 21:00 to 21:30 I was walking around the club looking for someone to go to the room with. Only 2-3 girls were available, and none of them to my liking, so gave up and left.
* Prices.
The girls charged 40 euro / 30 minutes and 70 euro / 60 minutes. Basic service, covered blowjob.
Don't remember exactly how much I paid for entry. Think it was 50 euro. All inclusive. They do not serve beer.
* Other.
Please note that Kindle and other e-readers are only allowed in the dining area, the wardrobe and in the garden. Also note that most of the inside areas of the club, except the dining area, is too dark for reading paper books.
Also note that while the club provides mouthwash, there are no small cups to drink from, so unless you plan to share the "milk carton" with 50 other men, bring your own mouthwash.
GuyBrusg1957
06-26-22, 23:50
If it's your first time then I'm sure you'll still be wowed by FKKs. And if you're going for a full week, I'the maybe add a couple of days in Zurich otherwise there are five main clubs in the Frankfurt area. Oase, Sharks, Palace, World, and Mainhatten. My favourite three are Oase, Palace and Sharks. World has a great outlay with huge grounds (as does Oase) but the quantity and quality of the line up rarely justifies making the long trek there. It is near Giessen which is quite far out. Mainhatten I never liked as I went once and most of the girls were rip off merchants (3 of the 5 girls I went with were trying to get more money out of me than their services entitled). All but Palace have outdoor areas so if the weather is nice I'the spend 2 days at Oase and Sharks and 1 at Palace. If you have 7 days, I'the also visit World and Mainhatten but only if the weather was nice and on a day where I needed a recharge knowing I'the only manage one or two sessions and would spend the rest of the day relaxing outside and ideally on a Monday and Tuesday when all the clubs are quieter.Which days should I go for the best experience? I land in Amsterdam on Thursday. I'm thinking a combination of Sharks and Oase during the weekend but should I leave for Zurich on Sunday?
According to the website this one offers "self liberation with hand."
https://www.freudenhaus.de/dortmund/profil/434/janina
Nice club to relax in, but a somewhat weak lineup. Best for summer visits.
* Facilities.
Inside the club there is a bar area, a kino and a dining area. You can also eat your meals outside on a nice patio.
All the wellness facilities are outside, so the club is best suited for summer visits. There is a heated swimming pool, a sauna and a whirlpool. The whirlpool was out of order.
The club has a very nice garden. Unfortunately, there is very little shade there, so unless you plan on sunbathing, the garden is unusable large portions of the day.
I'm guessing that the club is only a couple of years old, as there is very little wear and tear on the interior. The interior design is modern but a bit dark form my taste. The club was nice and clean.
* Staff.
Friendly staff. Passable English skills.
* Food..
ShinyCrazy
07-05-22, 02:53
I found this lengthy post in one of the local German forums. It is translated into English. It's a great explanation of the history of pricing in FKK clubs from someone who manages one. For those of us who are still frustrated that girls are trying to charge ridiculous prices, and are rethinking the viability of the FKK model, here are some thoughts to consider.
Statement by an operator on pricing policy in clubs, brothels, etc.
Hello everyone,
I am an operator in the middle of BW. I'm writing to you today because I'm just tired of reading your comments about prices over and over again and also making you mad about food and cleanliness and what you still have. I write to you anonymously to simply spare me certain discussions with other operators and prostitutes, but I think I will speak from the soul of one or the other operator or prostitute here. I have been traveling in the red light milleu since I was 17 years old and am now almost 50 years old, so I know what I am talking about. Of course, there will be one or the other angle lawyer or know-it-all here again who tears this report apart or tries to shine with any google links, but I'll say it right away: "DON'T MAKE AN EFFORT I WON'T ANSWER IT. ".
I'll just try to give you an insight, even if I know that it won't help and the discussions here will continue for years to come. Maybe I'm lucky and only one understands it and won't write anything about it anymore.
So let's get started.
I'll go a little further and take a jump back into the 90's.
Almost every one of you still knows the Atlantis in Altenstadt. According to my memory, they have always paid 100 DM for 30 min. This included French without, tongue kisses and traffic so-called girlfriend sex. Extras were required for body insemination, mouth squirting and anal etc.
At that time, with some exceptions, no Romanian and Bulgarian prostitutes were traveling in the.
In 2002, the euro was introduced and from 30 min = 100 DM.
50 were made for 30 minutes.
The profession of prostitute was also officially recognized in 2002.
In 2004, eastward enlargement began with Czech Republic, Poland, Slovenia and Hungary, etc. Some will remember that all the clubs and houses were full of these nationalities. The ladies from these countries came from poor countries (by our means) at that time. These ladies have adopted this pricing policy and everything else that goes with it 1:1.
These ladies also paid great attention to your appearance and learned our language in the fastest possible time so that we could also talk to you in our native language and also tell you what preferences you have.
These ladies definitely did not want to get back into their means, that's why they learned and participated so quickly and made an effort because in these countries a construction worker or warehouse worker earned 3-400 a month and one of these ladies suddenly earned up to 1000 + a day, which was of course utopian at that time when you considered earning almost 3 monthly salaries like in.
In 2004, the state also gradually found out that you can earn from prostitution because all clubs and houses were full. Before that, everyone knew it only behind closed doors about it and acted.
The thesseldorf procedure was first introduced in the 60's as far as I know. In thesseldorf, therefore, thesseldorfers also proceed. But I don't want to go any further into this topic, otherwise we'll still be there tomorrow.
In 2007, Romania and Bulgaria were also admitted to the EU and part of eastward enlargement.
Here, too, the ladies came from poor backgrounds (some cases even poorer ones as those described above), just as the ladies already came in 2004. These ladies also took over the business model 30 min= 50 almost 1:1.
Except that the extras were screwed and the ladies didn't do everything like the ladies from 2004.
Supply and demand was the reason why the ladies moved from 2004 to Austria and Switzerland.
Suddenly there were all pretty 18-year-old Black Sea Romanians and Bulgarians and everyone wanted to try something new and only booked these ladies. The ladies from 2004 were expelled to neighboring countries to earn money at all, because you knew you were getting older and don't have time to earn money forever. The ladies from 2004 took the business model with them to Austria and Switzerland when it comes to acquisition on the customer. The next generation has also no longer come to Germany, but directly to Switzerland and Austria. The price has of course been adjusted.
Since from 2009, about 70% of the working ladies were only Romanian and Bulgarian and the remaining 30% were still mixed with exotics such as Cubans, Asians and German ladies, only 1% exotics are now on the way.
2010 to 2016, and the tariff for 30 min is usually still 50 for 30 minutes on average with tongue kisses and French without and licking etc. Etc. Without various extras.
In 2017, the new Prostitution Act was passed.
The new law contains many changes, not only for customers and prostitutes, but also for operators to protect the working ladies more, which also makes sense.
Among other things, the new law allows the working ladies to regularly go to the order and health office in order to register and to inform themselves about their rights as (in quotation marks) independent service providers.
Instead of getting upset about price discussions and venting bad food and cleanliness and your displeasure here, you should perhaps ask the ladies what happens at the public order office and health office appointment when they are there.
Probably few people know about you. That's why I'm doing some clarification on the customer.
The public order office and health office informs the ladies that only protection may be used.
That the ladies are independent service providers and may determine your working hours and prices themselves and not the company where you work.
That's why sometimes only a handful of ladies are already there at noon or just after work.
That you can set your work clothes yourself and don't have to walk naked if you don't want to.
That if you don't want to, you don't have to drink champagne or cocktails because it harms your health, etc.
And so I can give you 20 other examples.
Or why do you think there is no more proseccotag or lingerie day or no more attendance lists in some clubs or only dangerous information on the homepage regarding ladies?
Of course, every operator would like to show on the Internet what they have and what there is. He would also be stupid if he didn't do it, he attracts customers ashore, but legally this is no longer quite easy because you immediately slip into an employment relationship with the ladies and then have to pay social security contributions for it as an operator, even though they are independent service providers. So everything is a bit more complicated and too long to do here.
The health office now comes to us in the houses every 3-4 weeks, the public order office also comes to the house every 3-4 weeks in the same rhythm for control and the church Caritas is also there every 6 weeks to talk to the ladies what it looks like and how you are. In this day and age, not a single operator will lean out of the window and thus jeopardize its professional existence.
I just found that while cleaning up my office.
That you can see that they are not fairy tales what I tell you what the operator blooms in case of non-compliance.
Friday March 13th, 2020.
Corona lockdown. Public order office and police come in the evening at 8 pm And put the disposal for immediate closure on the table until April 19.
Everything has to close. Everyone knows what happened, I don't need to go into it.
30 min still at 50.
Almost everywhere in BW.
But what hardly anyone knew. After the first lockdown, the ladies were unfortunately not allowed to pursue prostitution in brothels, because they were closed. Therefore, these ladies moved to any pension rooms or private apartments or on the street. Probably 80% of the working ladies are back to their home countries during Corona, and stayed there for the time being. The other 20% that have remained here have of course seized the favor of the hour and adjusted the prices conditionally for Corona. As already written above, supply and demand.
Of course, these ladies have earned good money and after 16 months of forced closure, they have maintained the prices, and the advanced ladies have of course taken over 1:1 again.
The ladies working until then did not receive a single cent of corona help except for a few individual ones who worked with a tax number or anything else from the German state, although these ladies paid 25 to the tax office every day. The ladies where they received emergency aid had to pay back 95% of it. Of course, they want to somehow bring the 16 months back in now.
What I'm trying to explain to you is:
The operator cannot set prices for the ladies because they are allowed to set their own prices according to the 2017 law.
The operator has the house right and can say that with me the 30 min costs 50 and if the lady does not comply with it, she has to leave the house.
But what does the lady do where the house leaves?
She goes to another house and does the same where the operator is not interested in what you asks for 30 minutes, but who is only interested in paying your rent or entrance fee. There are many women, there are also many men. Very simple principle. Both in the Laufhaus and in the club. That's why every operator goes along and looks away at what happens in the current pricing policy, because no one sends their money away and leaves anyone to others.
And no operator now introduces 50 again for 30 minutes and takes a risk and thus loses 90% of the ladies to hope that 5 guests come a day where they are happy that it costs only 50 here.
Review it.
We started with 100 DM in the 90's, so 50 this has generally lasted until 2020. That's approx. +/- 25 years.
What did a bread or gasoline or rent cost or or 25 years ago?
In my opinion, no price was as stable as the Dirnenlohn in the last 3 decades.
Of course, 2 or 300 are too much for 30 minutes, but if there are people who pay for it, why should the ladies go down with their prices? They prefer to wait the whole day for a customer where 300 pays like they go to the room 6 times for 50. And if they didn't have a customer today for 300 then tomorrow or the day after tomorrow there will be 2 or 3 customers where 500 pay for it. Also some reports here about operators that they should not comment and say something.
Every time I laugh at death about it when I read something like that. The only thing that interests me here and probably also the other operators is when someone writes about how many ladies are in our houses and how the food was and the location, because that is free advertising for us as operators and brings new reading customers, but the rest? Whether the coffee tasted good or there was enough carbon dioxide in the cola or the shower gel is empty, no one here itches from the operator's point of view.
I didn't really want to write that much. Nevertheless, thank you for those who read it until the end. I also didn't want to attack anyone personally, but just wanted to disclose the operator's view of general pricing policy where they have been around here in the forum for months. I will also not answer anything in the comments but quietly read along again and probably have a delicious time again. As a little insider tip from me at the end:
Don't let everything be done with you and go to the security office or the housekeeper or reception and tell us what happened. Sooner or later, every operator notices what's going on. No one will tear your head down for your complaint. I can't promise you whether there will be money back, but a start has already been made with the complaint.
Don't let the fun spoil you.
On 2021, you could get pretties like Cena, her friend T, even Cosmina with some French, not me, fresh full natural German Daisi ex Palace, for 100/60, with full GFE with Cena and T with who I had weekly rooms. I visited weekly. Not many tourists. On 2022, prettiest are not on business and girls seem to think they can ask what they want, but we have to be able to control. On 2022, I weekly go elsewhere, when Sharks, Oase, Mainhattan except pretty Ukrainian Lana but she can t get me deep inside her, are not good for me, when I still discover good girls for less expensive than in Hessen which is not on top. I don't read German forums because I know we don't play same game with girls.
Shark's management is complete shit and eventually it will be a ghost club. They need to do 1 of 2 things. Either control the prices to match the quality of the girls or control the quality of girls that can come work. Right now they're literally not doing anything. Some of these wild animals that they call girls are asking Swiss prices. Have they looked at a mirror? Maybe they don't have mirrors in the jungle, but I'm not paying 150 E 30 or even 100 E 30 for a baboon. I don't know who in their right mind is paying these prices at Sharks when there are many, many other clubs that charges less and have higher quality optics. Maybe there is something in the water in Darmstadt all these men are losing IQ? Shit, go to Switzerland and spend that same money for a higher quality girl.Hate to break it to you, there is near world wide inflation, and all manner of logistic issues raising the costs for everywhere. To say nothing of food shortages, tourism still on the edge (which means less work for them), the higher risk during the pandemic, to say nothing of the energy crisis. The businesses themselves will be doing it rough to keep the building afloat, let alone profiting. So of course the women are raising their prices, as to no doubt what they have to pay more to the house and to support themselves. To them its a livelihood, for us it is a first world hobby. Who on earth could blame them for raising prices! Everything is going up.
Hey Shiny,
Nice find. The German guy certainly makes some good points and put things in perspective. I have been in the game almost as long as him, so it was a nice trip down memory lane. Dare I ask in which forum you found it? It could be interesting to see the response from our German colleagues (PM me if the reference violates forum rules).
Yeah, the 2017 law certainly changed things, but not as fast as reports on ISG make it sound, I believe. I remember a discussion in 2018 where a forum member concluded that 100 E /60 was dead and that we all needed to pay 150 E /60 from then on. At that time all my sessions at Oase / World / Sharks were 100 E /60, so obviously I had to object. Post covid that has been a struggle of course, but I am happy to announce that on my last trip in 2021 and my first trip in 2022 I was still able to make it (but World is 120 E /60 of course). A mix of regulars and new girls with no shortchange of optics / performance. On my last two trips I had to adjust some 100 E /60 sessions with 150 E /60 sessions. I acknowledge that 150E/60 is the going rate now at Oase/Sharks (120E at World) and that you need a bit of effort to get 100E/60. We will see what the future brings.
A couple of myths:
- The best looking girls are impossible to get at 100 E /60. Not in my book. But you have to be patient and selective having the mindset of a hunter and not a pushover. Not easy if you are a first time visitor to a club of course. But if you visit a club regularly (say 2- 3 times a year) then you should afford this hunting game.
- You have to accept what the girl quotes. Not true. Many girls do not expect you to bite (in particular if they recognize you from previous visits). As a regular of mine told me: "We just try to get the guys to agree to a higher quote. Some bite. Some don't. If we quote too high and gets a complaint, we risk being kicked out. " Just keep the discussion friendly and see what happens. If she won't back down, then at least try to get an extra included. You will be surprised how many girls that will agree. Or simply smile, thank her for her time, walk away, and find someone hotter.
I have nothing against guests who pay a higher rate. If you have the money, then go for it. But if you, like me, are on a budget and need to adjust, then my two cents are to enlighten everyone about the possibilities out there.
Have fun.
- S16.
Escape Artist
07-06-22, 19:00
Hate to break it to you, there is near world wide inflation, and all manner of logistic issues raising the costs for everywhere. To say nothing of food shortages, tourism still on the edge (which means less work for them), the higher risk during the pandemic, to say nothing of the energy crisis. The businesses themselves will be doing it rough to keep the building afloat, let alone profiting. So of course the women are raising their prices, as to no doubt what they have to pay more to the house and to support themselves. To them its a livelihood, for us it is a first world hobby. Who on earth could blame them for raising prices! Everything is going up.Inflation yes, but nothing else that I know of went up 100%, not even gasoline.
ShinyCrazy
07-07-22, 02:01
Hey Shiny,
Nice find..Hey Shark16,
Thanks for your thoughts. In my personal opinion, I think the prices should have gone up to around 60 Euro / HH then eventually 75 Euro / HH for standard service (enthusiastic DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS) at some point before the girls got mad / greedy and started asking crazy money, like 100 Euro / HH. Within the German FKK system, I would be happy to pay 150 Euro / hour for great service. And throw in an extra 50 Euro for CIM. And in speaking with other mongers, that seems to be a shared feeling. Unfortunately, the market appears to have overshot the mark. And I'm afraid it won't return to normalcy.
For most of us, the FKK "vacation" means 4-5 sessions in a wonderful long day. If the sessions are 50-75 Euro per 30 minutes, then you can have an incredible day for under 500 Euro. If the girls are expecting 200 per hour for plain vanilla unremarkable service, then the math simply doesn't make sense. I don't want to pay a 85 Euro entry fee then only do one session. I would rather redirect my vacation time to Colombia or Spain or whatever.
The post was on "bw7", BTW.
Hate to break it to you, there is near world wide inflation, and all manner of logistic issues raising the costs for everywhere. To say nothing of food shortages, tourism still on the edge (which means less work for them), the higher risk during the pandemic, to say nothing of the energy crisis. The businesses themselves will be doing it rough to keep the building afloat, let alone profiting. So of course the women are raising their prices, as to no doubt what they have to pay more to the house and to support themselves. To them its a livelihood, for us it is a first world hobby. Who on earth could blame them for raising prices! Everything is going up.I'm not complaining about the prices. Reread what I wrote. The Swiss clubs have the same if not higher prices than Sharks at the moment. And I think those prices are justified.
[Deleted by Admin] All I'm saying is that the quality of the girl need to match the price. So the club management can either get Swiss or even Austrian level girls at this current moment for 150 E 30. OR match what other discount clubs like Dietzenbach is offering.
Honestly some of these are even too ugly for RTC clubs.
Inflation yes, but nothing else that I know of went up 100%, not even gasoline.Yes, in Western Europe, almost 100% increasing for gasoline diesel from April 2020 to now. Reason why I will build my flexifuel for the only real S5 .
I'm not complaining about the prices. Reread what I wrote. The Swiss clubs have the same if not higher prices than Sharks at the moment. And I think those prices are justified.I agree on 2022, most of Sharks looks don't worth rate they are asking, but at Globe, at least 90% also don't worth 150/30. At Aphrodisia, they are not pretty enough to worth 500/60. When I paid 150/60 for my many rooms with Katalea on 2021, twice on many visits as long she was able to play my GFE standard, I paid less expensive for a prettier girl than at Globe and on highest Globe GFE level when she was more fresh than at Globe, but after 7 rooms, she was not anymore fresh GFE enough for me and I became too big for her tired vagina. I loved when her nipples were talking, hardening and chicken skin.
Hey Shark16,
Thanks for your thoughts. In my personal opinion, I think the prices should have gone up to around 60 Euro / HH then eventually 75 Euro / HH for standard service (enthusiastic DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS) Pretty much my sentiments, too. Inflationadjusted prices should be around 60- 65 E for a quality session in Hessen (maybe 70 E with this year's inflation). Not more. Therefore I would be happy to tip a bit above 50 E hh if the performance is good.
Where we part a bit is the pessimistic tone of "it is not possible to negotiate". It IS possible. Even with the prettiest girls. Even without losing any quality in her performance. Just be friendly and not act like the cheapest of charlies. The girls expect some resistance when quoting prices. I know, because even on my recent trip half my sessions were 100 E /60 (Oase / Sharks).
I also experienced a couple of girls quoting 200 E /60. Probably around 5- 8% of the girls I was chatting up. The two girls would not back down, but would be happy to include some extra services, I. E. 150 E for a GFE + 50 E for an extra. So not any big surprise really. I politely declined. There were many good and better alternatives around. And I had just been fully satisfied in the room with a regular for 100 E /60.
No girls quoted 250- 300 E for plain services as rumoured on ISG. A girl explained to me that they would risk being kicked out if they asked too much for nothing. However, I bet they are easily forgiven if doing so during crowded party nights or big fairs.
Yeah, my budget a day used to be 250 E + entrance fee with five solid sessions. Long gone. In the latter years I preferred 3 x longer 100 E sessions. Sometimes I still manage. At other times I have to adjust to 2 x 150 E sessions. Budget still the same resulting in fewer girls getting my money. With less sessions I emphasize more on the quality of spa and garden facilities. The FKK experience (attractive naked girls all around asking for sex) is still unique to me. I am not ready to quit the FKK scene. Not yet. But I may want to explore other FKK clubs in differenct regions / countries (I already have).
Thanks for the source.
- S16.
Can still find high level girls, even Germans, with higher level than most at Globe, for 40 or 50 per 30 in Germany. Most often for 2 full GFE hours for me with my wow German. Except my very expensive Swiss 18 yo virgin look but really looking like a woman, but best value for money on 2022 will be in Germany but not Hessen, even pretty Ukrainian Lana Mainhattan was for 150/60 and turning full GFE even small pussy. Best clubs are in Hessen, but not best girls. Switzerland is much too expensive for level of most girls.
Escape Artist
07-07-22, 16:08
Even when gas demand sunk due to lock downs in April 2020 and prices bottomed out at beginning of COVID, gasoline bottomed at 1.22 USD per Liter. Now it is 1.99 USD per liter. That's only a 62% increase and also not a true indicator of inflation as 1.22 was not even the true sustained price.
And prior to covid, gasoline was 1.6 USD per Liter, making true gasoline inflation only 24%.
Neither of which are anywhere near the 100% increase girls are asking.
Even when gas demand sunk due to lock downs in April 2020 and prices bottomed out at beginning of COVID, gasoline bottomed at 1.22 USD per Liter. Now it is 1.99 USD per liter. That's only a 62% increase and also not a true indicator of inflation as 1.22 was not even the true sustained price.
And prior to covid, gasoline was 1.6 USD per Liter, making true gasoline inflation only 24%.
Neither of which are anywhere near the 100% increase girls are asking.Since March, I spend 600 € more monthly for my driving, reason why I chose S5 but the only real one, to make with flexifuel French technology 0.8 € per liter and increasing engine power of course, when I m poor and can t pay Hessen rates but in Rhur for higher quality.
Since March, I spend 600 more monthly for my driving, reason why I chose S5 but the only real one, to make with flexifuel French technology 0.8 per liter and increasing engine power of course, when I m poor and can t pay Hessen rates but in Rhur for higher quality.Just an oil question with all the high mileage do you use synthetic oil or conventional oil since the car is high mileage and how often do you change the oil and / or filter?
I am using the Fram 10,000 miles filter and do about three oil changes before changing the filter to save money.
Just an oil question with all the high mileage do you use synthetic oil or conventional oil since the car is high mileage and how often do you change the oil and / or filter?
I am using the Fram 10,000 miles filter and do about three oil changes before changing the filter to save money.I follow Audi program = changing oil and filter every 30000 kms and same for powerful S5 , with long life Castrol 5 W30. My old lady engine is still healthy at 625000 kms and pushing every week end in Germany. What I call quality. When engine did warm up, then best for it is to push, which clean it. I wish I will find my S5 with guaranty on engine, gearbox and transmission when it will have to go for about 100 km / h faster it ever was, and I want only the Richard Wagner sound, not Akrapovic race sound. Not sure I will find as I wished for my Summer tour finishing in Ventoux, then old lady will go until I find the good one, beautiful and healthy I can prepare for flexifuel and more powerful to improve from 285 km / h just easily switching off speed limit in electronics to 300 , needing much more power when for this speed I won t find any car to follow stuck in its back to be faster, like I can sometimes faster than 220 with old lady. Interesting work I look forward. I chose this engine because except oil and filter to change, with chain for valves, nothing more, and mechanic quattro, not electronics correcting to kill You. And of course, manual gearbox more able for increased power, not automatic like RS.
The Euro has hit dollar parity for the first time in 20 years. Enjoy guys.
The Euro has hit dollar parity for the first time in 20 years. Enjoy guys.Interesting hope for the USD remaing a world reserve currency. We can assume this is due to the high energy prices and gas shortages in Europe.
Will be in FRA on Tuesday, it is forecast to be 38 C / 100 F in the afternoon. I looked through the threads and there appears to be some inconsistent information. Between OASE, Sharks, and Mainhatten, which of these clubs have air-conditioning in the zimmer and in the main area? I remember Shark's being really hot in the summer, but it sounds like some of the rooms now have AC? What about Oase?
Thanks!
LookForFun
07-20-22, 01:59
I don't really want to pay the Hessen rates (100/30). If I can go to only one FKK in NRW area where should it be? Samya, Aca Gold, Babylon?
Last visit to FKK was pre-covid to Artemis. Looking to find that experience again in NRW, but I worry it doesn't exist at the 50 euro for 30 min rate in NRW.
Are Frankfurt options so much better than it is worth the higher rates?
I don't really want to pay the Hessen rates (100/30). If I can go to only one FKK in NRW area where should it be? Samya, Aca Gold, Babylon?If Dina from Sharks is a no show today, I'll be heading over to NRW as well. Aca Gold and Prime was decent when I visited in 2021.
Personally, I don't think Frankfurt rates are worth it. Austria is probably better for medium-high prices at the moment. Swiss is ok but not as good as before covid. But I rather pay Swiss prices in Switzerland.
I don't really want to pay the Hessen rates (100/30). If I can go to only one FKK in NRW area where should it be? Samya, Aca Gold, Babylon?
Last visit to FKK was pre-covid to Artemis. Looking to find that experience again in NRW, but I worry it doesn't exist at the 50 euro for 30 min rate in NRW.
Are Frankfurt options so much better than it is worth the higher rates?Most of Hessen girls are not pretty enough for new 2022 rates. Prettier looks at Gold from Thursday to Sunday after 3 pm, and BBBJ is quite standard for 40 or 50/30. Samya is not on top for looks, but Rosa there is queen for BBBJ.
I don't really want to pay the Hessen rates (100/30). If I can go to only one FKK in NRW area where should it be? Samya, Aca Gold, Babylon?
Last visit to FKK was pre-covid to Artemis. Looking to find that experience again in NRW, but I worry it doesn't exist at the 50 euro for 30 min rate in NRW. ...Which club is right for you depends on your preferences.
- I assume from your post that price is somewhat important to you?
- Would you like to visit the club during day, evening or both?
- Would you like to go somewhere relaxing or somewhere with a party atmosphere?
- Are you OK with traveling for a couple of hours to get to and from the club?
- Are you going to be driving or use public transportation?
- Near which city are you going to be staying?
- What kind of girls do you like. Are you ok with a few extra pounds?
- Is the number of girls in the club important to you?
- Which services do you like. Is BBBJ important to you? Is GFE important to you? Other services?
- Which facilities are important to you? Wellness, bar / nightclub, relax lounge, garden, pool, kino, restaurant and food?
- How important is cleanliness to you? (I'm thinking about the club, not the girls).
- Are you comfortable with girls using aggressive or pushy sales techniques, both in and out of the room?
Clubs in NRW generally charge between 40 and 60 euro per half hour. However, while BBBJ is included in some clubs, BBBJ is an extra in other clubs. BBBJ can be ridiculously high priced at 50 euro, bringing the price for 30 minutes with BBBJ up to 100 euro.
It is also worth noting that with 30-minute rooms, most girls will end the session once you come, so you are not getting the 30 minutes you paid for. They will also try to hurry the session by going fast and / or using hand.
LookForFun
07-20-22, 20:26
Which club is right for you depends on your preferences.Thanks everyone for your responses so far. I can certainly afford the higher price, but it seems like that added cost in Frankfurt isn't getting me anything. I'm flying in and out of FRA, but I'm staying in Cologne. Yes, I could spend my day in a Frankfurt FKK if it's worth it.
To answer your other questions.
Price not that important. I'm also willing to travel up to 1.5 hours using a mix of public transportation and taxi.
I plan to arrive in the afternoon and spend 3-4 hours. If it's good, I hopefully will be allowed to return in the evening after sampling local cuisine at a nice restaurant. I can only go one day, but I can choose that day to be Wednesday (my preference), Fri, or Sunday.
I'm going solo. Party atmosphere is preferred if possible, but not sure that's feasible when entering alone unless the girls help welcome me into the party. Otherwise, relaxing / laid back is just fine. I can enjoy either, but I assume relaxing might be the safer option since a good party depends on the people I won't have any control over.
I'm staying in the heart of Cologne.
A few extra (just a few) is fine especially if the girl has a pretty face and excellent service and can form that connection. But, I generally prefer petite.
Certainly prefer more girls than fewer, but I just want a handful of good options at the end of the day.
GFE with kissing preferred. Don't need BBBJ. Do not want bareback service (don't want AO).
Don't care about food. For relaxing, would prefer a pool (or at least a hot tub / steam room). Party atmosphere I think could happen anywhere, not just a nightclub type place.
Cleanliness is next to godliness. Yes, a clean facility would be welcome.
I can handle pushy girls. I can approach quiet ones too.
I might choose longer 1 hour service if I find someone I like and connect with or I find it is necessary for GFE.
LookForFun
07-20-22, 23:03
Most of Hessen girls are not pretty enough for new 2022 rates. Prettier looks at Gold from Thursday to Sunday after 3 pmIs Aca Gold considered superior (girl and facility) to Sauna club Prime (Aca Velbert)?
Given your preferences, I think your best alternatives are Samya (Cologne), Babylon (Eldsorf) and Venus saunaclub (Hamminkeln).
Samya is easy to get to. Train from Dusseldorf HBF to Cologne HBF, then tram (#16) or taxi to the club. Party atmosphere in the evening. Most girls arrive mid to late afternoon. Steam room and sauna are the only wellness facilities. I was there a Saturday a few weeks ago, and there must have been around 50 girls there in total. Good quality lineup. (https://www.samya.de).
Venus is very easy to get to. Take train (RE19) from Dusseldorf HBF to Hamminkeln, then walk 150 meters. A small club. Fairly high quality lineup with 10-15 girls when I visited on a Wednesday a few weeks ago. Relaxed atmosphere. Nice garden and wellness facilities, including hot tub. One potential issue with this club, is that if many girls go to the room at once, then there might be as few as 2-3 girls available, so you might have to wait a bit before a girl you like to becomes available. (https://www.saunaclub-venus.de/).
Babylon is a bit harder to get to. Take the train from Dusseldorf HBF to Horrem, change to bus (975) or Train (RB38) to Bergheim train station, then take a taxi. Taxies are lined up near the station platform. A medium sized club with a lineup of 20-25 girls on Wednesdays. Relaxed atmosphere. The best wellness facilities of any club in NRW, with garden, pool, hot tub, steam bath and sauna. Nice relax lounge and bar. Squeaky clean. The club is known as a GFE-oriented place. I haven't been there for a couple of months, so I'm not to sure about the quality of the lineup now. However, Dolli, Leah, Roberta and Daria are all on the attendance list now, they all give excellent GFE-service, and are girls can "form that connection". (https://www.saunaclub-babylon.com and https://www.saunaclubs.org/gpl/tabelle1).
P.S. : If you choose to go to Babylon, and an app or website suggest a route that requires you to change trains in Bedburg, ignore that suggestion. It's likely to get you stranded an extra hour on a train platform in the middle of nowhere.
LookForFun
07-22-22, 07:03
Given your preferences, I think your best alternatives are Samya (Cologne), Babylon (Eldsorf) and Venus saunaclub (Hamminkeln).Many thanks for all this wonderful information. I am very appreciative!
Given your preferences, I think your best alternatives are Samya (Cologne), Babylon (Eldsorf) and Venus saunaclub (Hamminkeln).
Babylon is a bit harder to get to. Take the train from Dusseldorf HBF to Horrem, change to bus (975) or Train (RB38) to Bergheim train station, then take a taxi. Taxies are lined up near the station platform. A medium sized club with a lineup of 20-25 girls on Wednesdays. Relaxed atmosphere. The best wellness facilities of any club in NRW, with garden, pool, hot tub, steam bath and sauna. Nice relax lounge and bar. Squeaky clean. The club is known as a GFE-oriented place. I haven't been there for a couple of months, so I'm not to sure about the quality of the lineup now. However, Dolli, Leah, Roberta and Daria are all on the attendance list now, they all give excellent GFE-service, and are girls can "form that connection". (https://www.saunaclub-babylon.com and https://www.saunaclubs.org/gpl/tabelle1).
P.S. : If you choose to go to Babylon, and an app or website suggest a route that requires you to change trains in Bedburg, ignore that suggestion. It's likely to get you stranded an extra hour on a train platform in the middle of nowhere.There is a bus stop right in front of Babylon.
There is a bus stop right in front of Babylon.Babylon online lineup looks promising.
Is Aca Gold considered superior (girl and facility) to Sauna club Prime (Aca Velbert)?For me, Gold is far higher.
RangerCpt30
08-01-22, 07:36
I'm a large guy (6'3" 340 lbs / 190 cm 155 kg). Do most clubs offer extra large robes? Thanks.
I'm a large guy (6'3" 340 lbs / 190 cm 155 kg). Do most clubs offer extra large robes? Thanks.Sometimes XXL but may not be large enough. Better you buy one white on your size and use it.
After my one more Rhur night, NL today to repeat my ex real model for 160/60 with no entry, my Summer when I really enjoyed Freubad with girls in garden and my Romanian full natural beauty for around 180/60 with package, even disappointed by Hessen level of looks who are too expensive and not pretty enough for me, but I found some new looks to make me dream elsewhere and made them becoming good for my love sex. FKK land is still high level for me, 2022 is a really good year for level I found in FKK with even one great GFE for only 80/60 . Out of my so lovely German love for 200/120 , our minimum, my eyes smiled in Rhur, when I see Ada unfortunately telling not kissing and 3 others. When I find 5 attractive looks at Globe, I think this is Christmas. I didn't even need to give a look at only on Italians level Wellcum. I'm not stuck to any club, I look for high level girls and still find some who are for less expensive than in Hessen and at now quite average Globe.
August at the FKK clubs is infamous for summer quiet and poor lineups as our lovelies take summer leaves leaving lineups at 40- 70% of normal strength. It is a period many visitors will avoid, but that I strangely enough find attractive: A more chill ambience at a nice time of year will often lead to good sessions (maybe outdoors). I will keep my expectations low of course, but by picking a larger club I know by experience that I always find good options.
Summer of 2022 I sort of knew would be different. We are still in a post covid situation where most clubs in Hessen are only 50- 60% of what they used to be pre covid (Sharks being the exception), and 40- 70% of that did not sound promising. I therefore decided to try something else this year.
But first, let us start with Hessen August 2022. I have done a little research among monger friends and reading reports, and this is what I found about line-ups (from small to large):
- Village: 5- 15.
- World: 15- 25.
- Palace: 15- 25 (dead in daytime).
- Mainhattan: 15- 30.
- Oase: 20- 40.
- Sharks: 40- 60.
And yes, I know there are reports of 80- 200 girls at the party at Sharks this weekend, but those numbers are not typical for August.
The obvious alternative to Hessen is NRW of course. Hessen regulars always envy the pricing structures of NRW. But the NRW are basically small clubs, and small clubs will be even more affected by summer leaves. Additionally, the girls at the NRW clubs I suspect wear too much outfits (I am used to FKK standards). I therefore decided to postpone a NRW trip to another part of year.
My decision was Austria. Great times during my 2021 trip with lots of good memories. I had to do a rerun. But August is a bit risky. I still decided to TOFTT. These are my findings:
- GT Vienna: Around 20- 25 girls (dead in daytime, improving from 6 pm). Very good options with many hot girls. I could see myself spending more than one day here, but it was the worst upsell hell ever experienced. I worked HARD to get a decent session at 200 E /60.1 visit was enough, and it is NOT a preferred club due to the overpricing / upsell.
- GT Linz: Around 15- 20 girls (dead in daytime, improving from 6 pm). Only 2 girls could compete with the hottest girls at GT Vienna, and the non-approach style made the visit boring. But still favourably pricing: 60 E /30 with BBBJ, and this time I found several girls who would LFK for 20 E extra. 1 visit was enough this time around, but I have a soft spot for this club. I can see myself coming back for multiple days at another time of year if Anais, Christina, Samantha, Simena and a couple of others are around.
- Wellcum: At least 70- 100 girls in attendance (the girls claimed 100- 120 girls, and even that is possible) and the place was buzzing with hot girls all around! And this was in the middle of the week and not on a crowded weekend! All 30 rooms occupied and 10 couples waiting in line for available rooms. I have not experienced this in 10 years at my best of times at Oase. I was fondled and got my ass pinched as soon as I entered (no silly non approach policy). A sex factory at its very best. Sessions at 70 E /30 with BBBJ still easily available, but some slight upsell for kissing (30 E) and CIM (50 E) or longer sessions. I can see myself spending multiple days at this place and still wanting to get back.
Note to self: Next August. Skip Hessen. Skip GT Vienna. Skip GT Linz. Go straight to Wellcum.
August at the FKK clubs is infamous for summer quiet and poor lineups as our lovelies take summer leaves leaving lineups at 40- 70% of normal strength. It is a period many visitors will avoid, but that I strangely enough find attractive: A more chill ambience at a nice time of year will often lead to good sessions (maybe outdoors). I will keep my expectations low of course, but by picking a larger club I know by experience that I always find good options.
Summer of 2022 I sort of knew would be different. We are still in a post covid situation where most clubs in Hessen are only 50- 60% of what they used to be pre covid (Sharks being the exception), and 40- 70% of that did not sound promising. I therefore decided to try something else this year.
But first, let us start with Hessen August 2022. I have done a little research among monger friends and reading reports, and this is what I found about line-ups (from small to large):
- Village: 5- 15.
- World: 15- 25.
- Palace: 15- 25 (dead in daytime).
- Mainhattan: 15- 30.
- Oase: 20- 40.
- Sharks: 40- 60.
And yes, I know there are reports of 80- 200 girls at the party at Sharks this weekend, but those numbers are not typical for August.
The obvious alternative to Hessen is NRW of course. Hessen regulars always envy the pricing structures of NRW. But the NRW are basically small clubs, and small clubs will be even more affected by summer leaves. Additionally, the girls at the NRW clubs I suspect wear too much outfits (I am used to FKK standards). I therefore decided to postpone a NRW trip to another part of year.
My decision was Austria. Great times during my 2021 trip with lots of good memories. I had to do a rerun. But August is a bit risky. I still decided to TOFTT. These are my findings:
- GT Vienna: Around 20- 25 girls (dead in daytime, improving from 6 pm). Very good options with many hot girls. I could see myself spending more than one day here, but it was the worst upsell hell ever experienced. I worked HARD to get a decent session at 200 E /60.1 visit was enough, and it is NOT a preferred club due to the overpricing / upsell.
- GT Linz: Around 15- 20 girls (dead in daytime, improving from 6 pm). Only 2 girls could compete with the hottest girls at GT Vienna, and the non-approach style made the visit boring. But still favourably pricing: 60 E /30 with BBBJ, and this time I found several girls who would LFK for 20 E extra. 1 visit was enough this time around, but I have a soft spot for this club. I can see myself coming back for multiple days at another time of year if Anais, Christina, Samantha, Simena and a couple of others are around.
- Wellcum: At least 70- 100 girls in attendance (the girls claimed 100- 120 girls, and even that is possible) and the place was buzzing with hot girls all around! And this was in the middle of the week and not on a crowded weekend! All 30 rooms occupied and 10 couples waiting in line for available rooms. I have not experienced this in 10 years at my best of times at Oase. I was fondled and got my ass pinched as soon as I entered (no silly non approach policy). A sex factory at its very best. Sessions at 70 E /30 with BBBJ still easily available, but some slight upsell for kissing (30 E) and CIM (50 E) or longer sessions. I can see myself spending multiple days at this place and still wanting to get back.
Note to self: Next August. Skip Hessen. Skip GT Vienna. Skip GT Linz. Go straight to Wellcum.Did you really visit NRW? Where my eyes smiled on Friday night and also at Gold on this year. When you need real french kissing for real GFE, not just Romanian baby kiss, and being allergic to silicon, Wellcum is really not the place for real GFE. As say girls there: Italians don't kiss. As soon, I finish my Summer sporty tour I extend on my week ends until death on bicycle, I speed to NRW and Freubad when they will be back on October. I should not have finished my tour until. Just not many rooms at Wellcum when I didn't see so busy business on Summer 2021 when I visit on Friday or week end. Never 100 girls at Sharks on this week end, despite Summer party. Better to really see than just legends.
Are there any FKK that regularly have transsexual (chicks with dicks)? I am intrigued by the idea of DP'ing a woman with a TS.
According to many girls all over FKK land, when they worked on Summer for tourists, but will go on holidays on September which they think is quite slow for business. So, castings may not be at best. Anyway, I will need more than all September week ends to finish my Summer sport.
Discussion moved from the Mainhattan thread trying to raise a discussion of general interest:
I am not sure if anyone remembers my posts from years ago. .... Visited the 11 of the 11 Hessen FKKs finallyOF COURSE we remember all your posts. Considering that you ended up in the RLD as your go to place after visiting most of the Hessen FKK clubs I hope you have forgotten about who encouraged you to go through this journey. ;-)
Dare I reveal one more secret? There are more than 11 FKK clubs in Hessen ....
... but I won't challenge you to visit more clubs if this is not your thing. If anything, I suggest you go back to the 1- 2 clubs that you favoured most trying to build up some relations with the best girls. Maybe that would help you in making your FKK visits more successful.
But ok, maybe one more challenge: Which 1- 2 FKK clubs in Hessen would you consider "the best" and why? I think many would like to know after you having gone through all of this.
Anyways, thank you so much for your contributions. It has been a pleasure reading them.
- S16.
Discussion moved from the Mainhattan thread trying to raise a discussion of general interest:
OF COURSE we remember all your posts. Considering that you ended up in the RLD as your go to place after visiting most of the Hessen FKK clubs I hope you have forgotten about who encouraged you to go through this journey. ;-)Absolutely not, I have occasionally gone back to the previous posts (which made it easy to link them for the last report) and remember your, Optimist's, KK's, Tedesco's and others help navigating the whole thing and encouraging the reports. I would like to thank everyone for reading them.
Dare I reveal one more secret? There are more than 11 FKK clubs in Hessen ....
I know that a few smaller ones have opened up such as FKK Karibik and some other bare-boned clubs that don't receive much attention in general. Would one consider them FKK's or more just local brothels with a minimum of facilities? Are they essentially just Night & Day in Burstadt?
But ok, maybe one more challenge: Which 1- 2 FKK clubs in Hessen would you consider "the best" and why? I think many would like to know after you having gone through all of this.
Anyways, thank you so much for your contributions. It has been a pleasure reading them.
- S16.The pleasure has been all mine. Throughout the thousands of euros spent over these years, it's still been worth it as it got me to see different parts of Hessen, and meet a large number of people, and get all sorts of sexual experiences. I remember the one year in 2018 when I forewent going to Thailand altogether and just spent some weeks checking them out.
Needless to say however, for me, the FKKs do not and cannot replace Thailand. Nothing comes close to a night there.
Only 2?
Then it would have to be: Sharks and FKK Rom. Sharks because it's Sharks with 100's of girls in it at its peak hours and I've had some wonderful experiences there before Corona. FKK Rom for German speakers as its very homely, local and off the beaten track. However not what those looking for the wow-factors of the large clubs are looking for.
I look back very fondly at my visits to FKK World, but that's pretty much gone now. The club has changed beyond recognition to some discount pay for each thing individually truck stop, and I won't be going back. A shame really.
HeyyyyyyPaul
09-18-22, 16:14
Nice update on wellcum.
August at the FKK clubs is infamous for summer quiet and poor lineups as our lovelies take summer leaves leaving lineups at 40- 70% of normal strength. It is a period many visitors will avoid, but that I strangely enough find attractive: A more chill ambience at a nice time of year will often lead to good sessions (maybe outdoors). I will keep my expectations low of course, but by picking a larger club I know by experience that I always find good options.
Summer of 2022 I sort of knew would be different. We are still in a post covid situation where most clubs in Hessen are only 50- 60% of what they used to be pre covid (Sharks being the exception), and 40- 70% of that did not sound promising. I therefore decided to try something else this year.
But first, let us start with Hessen August 2022. I have done a little research among monger friends and reading reports, and this is what I found about line-ups (from small to large):
- Village: 5- 15.
- World: 15- 25.
- Palace: 15- 25 (dead in daytime).
- Mainhattan: 15- 30.
- Oase: 20- 40.
- Sharks: 40- 60.
And yes, I know there are reports of 80- 200 girls at the party at Sharks this weekend, but those numbers are not typical for August.
The obvious alternative to Hessen is NRW of course. Hessen regulars always envy the pricing structures of NRW. But the NRW are basically small clubs, and small clubs will be even more affected by summer leaves. Additionally, the girls at the NRW clubs I suspect wear too much outfits (I am used to FKK standards). I therefore decided to postpone a NRW trip to another part of year.
My decision was Austria. Great times during my 2021 trip with lots of good memories. I had to do a rerun. But August is a bit risky. I still decided to TOFTT. These are my findings:
- GT Vienna: Around 20- 25 girls (dead in daytime, improving from 6 pm). Very good options with many hot girls. I could see myself spending more than one day here, but it was the worst upsell hell ever experienced. I worked HARD to get a decent session at 200 E /60.1 visit was enough, and it is NOT a preferred club due to the overpricing / upsell.
- GT Linz: Around 15- 20 girls (dead in daytime, improving from 6 pm). Only 2 girls could compete with the hottest girls at GT Vienna, and the non-approach style made the visit boring. But still favourably pricing: 60 E /30 with BBBJ, and this time I found several girls who would LFK for 20 E extra. 1 visit was enough this time around, but I have a soft spot for this club. I can see myself coming back for multiple days at another time of year if Anais, Christina, Samantha, Simena and a couple of others are around.
- Wellcum: At least 70- 100 girls in attendance (the girls claimed 100- 120 girls, and even that is possible) and the place was buzzing with hot girls all around! And this was in the middle of the week and not on a crowded weekend! All 30 rooms occupied and 10 couples waiting in line for available rooms. I have not experienced this in 10 years at my best of times at Oase. I was fondled and got my ass pinched as soon as I entered (no silly non approach policy). A sex factory at its very best. Sessions at 70 E /30 with BBBJ still easily available, but some slight upsell for kissing (30 E) and CIM (50 E) or longer sessions. I can see myself spending multiple days at this place and still wanting to get back.
Note to self: Next August. Skip Hessen. Skip GT Vienna. Skip GT Linz. Go straight to Wellcum.
I know that a few smaller ones have opened up such as FKK Karibik and some other bare-boned clubs that don't receive much attention in general. Would one consider them FKK's or more just local brothels with a minimum of facilities? There should afaik be at least 3 more FKK clubs in Hessen (a total of 14). There could be more.
- FKK Village in Reiskirchen (near FKK World).
- FKK Club Darling in Nidderau.
- FKK Caribic in Wiesbaden.
What does qualify as a FKK club? The above clubs all use "FKK" in their name, so that indicates nudity. That's a good start. Other than that I know nothing (I have not been to any of these clubs). I highly doubt they are worth visiting (could be closed).
Only 2? Then it would have to be: Sharks and FKK Rom. Sharks because it's Sharks with 100's of girls in it at its peak hours and I've had some wonderful experiences there before Corona. FKK Rom for German speakers as its very homely, local and off the beaten track. However not what those looking for the wow-factors of the large clubs are looking for.Sharks: Not surprising really. This is the only Mega Club left in Hessen (60- 80 girls on a regular basis), as the others (Oase, Mainhattan, Palace, World) are reduced to medium sized clubs (25- 40). Big means choice (optics and performance), and you just need to find the ones that suit your needs.
Rom: Yeah, I thought you would like one of the small local FKK clubs. I agree to your assessment (no wow-factor, just German "gemutlichkeit").
One question though: We know you have a preference for the short and sweet 50 E /30 sessions. Considering this is becoming more and more difficult to get at the bigger "tourist" clubs, would you say it is easier to get those kind of sessions at the smaller clubs? Preferrable a solid session and no shortchange of time
I look back very fondly at my visits to FKK World, but that's pretty much gone now. The club has changed beyond recognition to some discount pay for each thing individually truck stop, and I won't be going back. A shame really.Oh man, prior to the introduction of Mainhattan and Sharks, say around 2003- 2010, this was the go to club in Hessen. Imagine 100 girls, prettier than the ones at Sharks right now, girls mostly (95%) provided DFK / BBBJ / DATY / CFS in a standard 50 E /30 session, no shortchange of time, a warm sunny day in the most beautiful garden in Hessen, decent BBQ, free beer, .... Those were the days. I am sorry you missed out.
Nice update on wellcum.Thanks. Wellcum really took me by surprise. Maybe I should add that I am not a regular at this club. But the visit was really amazing. Loved the line-up and ambience. Too bad the club is in the middle of nowhere. The travel is a hassle, and thus this club is not for everyone. And if you are a DFK fundamentalist, then this club is definitely not for you.
......Note to self: Next August. Skip Hessen. Skip GT Vienna. Skip GT Linz. Go straight to Wellcum.What is the closest hotel to Wellcum?
What is the closest hotel to Wellcum?The Hotel https://wellcum.at/en/hotel/.
What is the closest hotel to Wellcum?Wellcum and You can take girls to your room. I prefer under the bridge.
Thanks. Wellcum really took me by surprise. Maybe I should add that I am not a regular at this club. But the visit was really amazing. Loved the line-up and ambience. Too bad the club is in the middle of nowhere. The travel is a hassle, and thus this club is not for everyone. And if you are a DFK fundamentalist, then this club is definitely not for you.No problem for me to drive to when I love curves on autobahn around Tarvisio, but from my model of sex learned with my girlfriends, since Lena 2017 and Barbi 2018 but not the plastic monster she became on 2019 , I don t enjoy sex without kissing at Wellcum, even Lea. Bu is kissing, but not pretty enough to repeat. Lower level for GFE compare to what I find in Germany.
The Hotel https://wellcum.at/en/hotel/.I checked the rate at € 86,00/ 1 Night. Seems quite reasonable. Anyone stayed here?
Wellcum and You can take girls to your room. I prefer under the bridge.There is accommodation under a bridge? Any restaurants / supermarkets nearby?
I checked the rate at 86,00/ 1 Night. Seems quite reasonable. Anyone stayed here?Many have stayed there. It is quite reasonable. And convenient. You are in the middle of nowhere. Right next to a FKK club with 70+ nude young girls asking you for sex. What can you do?
The Hotel has easy access to the club. Breakfast included and located at the club's restaurant. "A full breakfast is available each morning between 07:30 and 10:30. On your request our kitchen team will prepare fried eggs, omelet or whatever your heart desires". Expect standard FKK buffet with an Italian flavour.
That reminds me that the restaurant opens at noon and is closed between 4 and 6 pm and after 10pm. If I remember correctly. The bar is open till late.
Do you have problems with French poetry? Sirioja sleeps in his car in the parking lot under the bridge next to the club saving money.
There is accommodation under a bridge? Any restaurants / supermarkets nearby?Nothing except river to wash my ass, when I don't need girls for. You can take a Wellcum room, a girl, and fuck her whole night. I was proposed by some Wellcum girls to spend the night together, but I prefer the river and the moon.
HammerTime96
09-21-22, 08:11
Girls can set their prices. The sky's the limit. US prices here we come.Yes and the irony is that American sex tourists still think that the European socialists and green eco-communists that are in power now will pave the way to an FKK Utopia. LOL!
Reality is that conservative governments (who were ideologically more in the political centre) who were in power decades ago are the best kind of governments for P6.
Biden and his crew of CNN-MSNBC Marxists have been in power for almost two years: what has significantly changed in the liberating the P6 scene in the USA? Nothing!
Ask yourself this: what do you think those 87000 new IRS agents will be doing? Yup: harassing small cash-only businesses like strip bars and massage parlours whilst leaving big corporations and billionaires (who can afford to hire the best tax consultants and lawyers) alone.
I've been predicting this for quite some time: if you want to see the future of FKKs in Germany, look no further than leftwing Feminazi countries like Sweden.
So true, but as a 'return favour' we get communism in the rest of Europe now: central economic planning and a Covid1984 police state.
Want to see the future of German FKKs? Look at Sweden where ultra radical leftwing feminist and a bunch of soy-boy-feminised 'men' are running the show.
Traditionally, P6 has prospered in a conservative and business-minded climate just look at Hong Kong, West-Germany, Holland, Belgium. Wherever there is liberty, there is prosperity, and where there is prosperity, there are WGs. The only exception is the puritan US and the Victorian UK. The more leftwing and religious a country gets, the worse and more over-regulated the situation becomes with P6. Communism is a religion, or better yet, a cult, just remember that Marx said about religion: "the opium of the people."
Elections in September this year, let's wait what plans the neo-communists ('greens' and the SPD) will come up with. They have been pushing for years to have a speed limit, and hey, if we're 'lucky' they might also throw in an even more strict prostitution law like in Sweden! (of course all in the name of "public health," "protecting women" and "road safety."
PaulInZurich
09-21-22, 18:34
Biden and his crew of CNN-MSNBC Marxists have been in power for almost two years: what has significantly changed in the liberating the P6 scene in the USA? Nothing!Not sure what this has to do with the current thread, but in the same spirit one could ask what did Trump and his Fox-Newsmax-OANN fascist crew do for the liberation of the P6 scene in the US.
Ask yourself this: what do you think those 87000 new IRS agents will be doing? Yup: harassing small cash-only businesses like strip bars and massage parlours whilst leaving big corporations and billionaires (who can afford to hire the best tax consultants and lawyers) alone.I did not know that the IRS will start auditing people in Europe.
I've been predicting this for quite some time: if you want to see the future of FKKs in Germany, look no further than leftwing Feminazi countries like Sweden.I remember your prediction about FKKs being closed all throughout 2021.
Yes and the irony is that American sex tourists still think that the European socialists and green eco-communists that are in power now will pave the way to an FKK Utopia. LOL!
Reality is that conservative governments (who were ideologically more in the political centre) who were in power decades ago are the best kind of governments for P6.
Biden and his crew of CNN-MSNBC Marxists have been in power for almost two years: what has significantly changed in the liberating the P6 scene in the USA? Nothing!
Ask yourself this: what do you think those 87000 new IRS agents will be doing? Yup: harassing small cash-only businesses like strip bars and massage parlours whilst leaving big corporations and billionaires (who can afford to hire the best tax consultants and lawyers) alone.
I've been predicting this for quite some time: if you want to see the future of FKKs in Germany, look no further than leftwing Feminazi countries like Sweden.Fortunately, no more crazy Trump to fight versus crazy Putin. Russia have to wake up and kill the dirty.
Nothing except river to wash my ass, when I don't need girls for. You can take a Wellcum room, a girl, and fuck her whole night. I was proposed by some Wellcum girls to spend the night together, but I prefer the river and the moon.Remind me David Bowie let s spend night together on Moonage Daydream. Much better than usual shit music in brothels, sometimes making me feel shame when hearing French Aya Nakamura or Gimms or Booba shit.
Fortunately, no more crazy Trump to fight versus crazy Putin. Russia have to wake up and kill the dirty.Vice President Kamela H. When she was an attorney general of California prosecuted the backpage company.
https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-kamala-d-harris-announces-criminal-charges-against-senior
Not sure what this has to do with the current thread, but in the same spirit one could ask what did Trump and his Fox-Newsmax-OANN fascist crew do for the liberation of the P6 scene in the US.
I did not know that the IRS will start auditing people in Europe.
I remember your prediction about FKKs being closed all throughout 2021.All those IRS agents making their salaries will probably start coming to Germany.
Which FKK clubs (preferably in Frankfurt) are best for femdom? Not looking for super kinky latex stuff, just being tied up and then teased, edged, and post-orgasm tortured.
Thanks. Wellcum really took me by surprise. Maybe I should add that I am not a regular at this club. But the visit was really amazing. Loved the line-up and ambience. Too bad the club is in the middle of nowhere. The travel is a hassle, and thus this club is not for everyone. And if you are a DFK fundamentalist, then this club is definitely not for you.Hey, any recommendations for a DFK fundamentalist LOL? Would really appreciate any help. Thanks!
Hey, any recommendations for a DFK fundamentalist LOL? Would really appreciate any help. Thanks!Well, you need to ask a DFK fundamentalist then and not me. ;-) But it's an interesting question though. Maybe others can chime in.
But; let me first tell you what a DFK fundamentalist is:
- he will avoid any girls asking money for kissing, because kissing is a natural part of good sex and should provided cost free by any decent provider.
- Kiss on the mouth without tongue does not qualify as kissing.
- Kissing with just the tip of your tongue is cheating and does not qualify as french kissing (just as LFK; Light French Kissing).
- DFK (Deep French Kissing) is kissing with tongue where tongue play is deep on both parties right from the get go and as much as you want as long as you want free of charge.
Historically Hessen and the NRW used to be strongholds for DFK fundamentalists where DFK were considered standard service free of charge and uncoditonally by 95% of the girls. While this slightly changed over the last 15 years, the law of 2017 and corona (2020- 21) definitively had a severe negative impact. DFK in its traditional form has been reduced to a small portion of girls in any line-up at any club, provided by some girls to all clients, by other girls to a chosen few (sympathy kissing), and by others only to those who pay, and some not at all. It has become a game of luck and charm. And while the normal price for DFK at any decent brothel in Europe is 0- 20 euros, the girls at the FKK clubs often quote ridiculously 50 E for DFK as an extra. Outrageous!
Personally I have still plenty of regulars at the Hessen clubs that LFK for free. That is good enough for me. I admit I paid 20- 30 E extra for LFK at a couple of Austrian clubs. Not my style, and if I make more frequent visits to Austria, I would repeat only with girls who LFK for free. I have also good experiences from Barcelona (but not so recent).
I hear some guys swear that DFK can only be found in some parts of the NRW. I know that is incorrect as a truth, but they still may have a point (my NRW experiences are limited and outdated). I am sure some here will claim Globe in Zurich, Switzerland is the only place to go, but with their outrageous prices they should be doing a lot more than DFK/DATY/BBBJ/CFS. IMHO.
Well, you need to ask a DFK fundamentalist then and not me. ;-) But it's an interesting question though. Maybe others can chime in.
But; let me first tell you what a DFK fundamentalist is:
- he will avoid any girls asking money for kissing, because kissing is a natural part of good sex and should provided cost free by any decent provider.
- Kiss on the mouth without tongue does noe qualify as kissing.
- Kissing with just the tip of your tongue is cheating and does not qualify as french kissing (just as LFK; Light French Kissing).
- DFK (Deep French Kissing) is kissing with tongue where tongue play is deep on both parties right from the get go and as much as you want as long as you want free of charge.
Historically Hessen and the NRW used to be strongholds for DFK fundamentalists where DFK were considered standard service free of charge and uncoditonally by 95% of the girls. While this slightly changed over the last 15 years, the law of 2017 and corona (2020- 21) definitively had a severe negative impact on DFK services. DFK in its traditional form has been reduced to a small portion of girls in any line-up at any club, provided by some girls to all clients, by other girls to a chosen few (sympathy kissing), and by others only to those who pay, and some not at all. It has become a game of luck and charm. And while the normal price for DFK at any decent brothel in Europe is 0- 20 euros, the girls at the FKK clubs often quote ridiculously 50 E for DFK as an extra. Outrageous!
Personally I have still plenty of regulars at the Hessen clubs that LFK for free. That is good enough for me. I admit I paid 20- 30 E extra for LFK at a couple of Austrian clubs. Not my style, and if I make more frequent visits to Austria, I would repeat only with girls who LFK for free.
I hear some guys swear that DFK can only be found in some parts of the NRW. I know that is incorrect as a truth, but they still may have a point (my NRW experiences are limited and outdated). I am sure some here will claim Globe in Zurich, Switzerland is the only place to go, but with their outrageous prices they should be doing a lot more than DFK/DATY/BBBJ/CFS. IMHO.Haha, makes sense. Thanks very much for the definition and for the detailed information, Shark16! Appreciate it. From your definition, looks like I have been getting LFK without issues and without having to pay extra so far, but the sound of DFK is really nice LOL and would love to get that if I can. I ensure that I have good oral hygiene and make sure I have no bad breath, but DFK sounds really nice. Hope I can find someone who provide it. Would appreciate if others could chime in.
Well, you need to ask a DFK fundamentalist then and not me. ;-) But it's an interesting question though. Maybe others can chime in.
But; let me first tell you what a DFK fundamentalist is:
- he will avoid any girls asking money for kissing, because kissing is a natural part of good sex and should provided cost free by any decent provider.
- Kiss on the mouth without tongue does noe qualify as kissing.
- Kissing with just the tip of your tongue is cheating and does not qualify as french kissing (just as LFK; Light French Kissing).
- DFK (Deep French Kissing) is kissing with tongue where tongue play is deep on both parties right from the get go and as much as you want as long as you want free of charge.
Historically Hessen and the NRW used to be strongholds for DFK fundamentalists where DFK were considered standard service free of charge and uncoditonally by 95% of the girls. While this slightly changed over the last 15 years, the law of 2017 and corona (2020- 21) definitively had a severe negative impact. DFK in its traditional form has been reduced to a small portion of girls in any line-up at any club, provided by some girls to all clients, by other girls to a chosen few (sympathy kissing), and by others only to those who pay, and some not at all. It has become a game of luck and charm. And while the normal price for DFK at any decent brothel in Europe is 0- 20 euros, the girls at the FKK clubs often quote ridiculously 50 E for DFK as an extra. Outrageous!
Personally I have still plenty of regulars at the Hessen clubs that LFK for free. That is good enough for me. I admit I paid 20- 30 E extra for LFK at a couple of Austrian clubs. Not my style, and if I make more frequent visits to Austria, I would repeat only with girls who LFK for free. I have also good experiences from Barcelona (but not so recent).
I hear some guys swear that DFK can only be found in some parts of the NRW. I know that is incorrect as a truth, but they still may have a point (my NRW experiences are limited and outdated). I am sure some here will claim Globe in Zurich, Switzerland is the only place to go, but with their outrageous prices they should be doing a lot more than DFK/DATY/BBBJ/CFS. IMHO.Maybe you should first learn french definition for real french kiss, when just on lips is not french kiss. No GFE without french kiss, when never had sex with a girlfriend without french kissing. No rule for me about Hessen vs NRW for french kissing, just many asking expensive withour french kissing in Hessen.
Haha, makes sense. Thanks very much for the definition and for the detailed information, Shark16! Appreciate it. From your definition, looks like I have been getting LFK without issues and without having to pay extra so far, but the sound of DFK is really nice LOL and would love to get that if I can. I ensure that I have good oral hygiene and make sure I have no bad breath, but DFK sounds really nice. Hope I can find someone who provide it. Would appreciate if others could chime in.If you want the true and best DFK, I suggest you come to California, then visit Korean girls. IMO, they are the best at DFK, and it is part of their regular service. No half hour session BS! Every session is at least an hour.
Also, these days you can meet Korean working girls everywhere, even in Europe.
If you want the true and best DFK, I suggest you come to California, then visit Korean girls. IMO, they are the best at DFK, and it is part of their regular service. No half hour session BS! Every session is at least an hour.
Also, these days you can meet Korean working girls everywhere, even in Europe.Wow, California of all places. Would not have guessed I can get it at home LOL. Thanks so much Lefeu!
I normally fly over to FKK land either in May, September or October. Have been to FKK land in early February. I know the weather is cold. Just want to know if girls have normally returned after their Christmas Vacation?
Many Thanks.
I normally fly over to FKK land either in May, September or October. Have been to FKK land in early February. I know the weather is cold. Just want to know if girls have normally returned after their Christmas Vacation?February is fine.
The clubs normally got fewer girls from the middle of December to the middle of January, and particular the clubs are "empty" for girls (and full of guys) the Christmas and New Year days. 5 - 15 January the clubs are empty for men, which can be a good thing from a gent's pov. 20th January everything is back to normal.
I am loving May, September and October, too! Although, there is a tendency that girls up their prices during the big exhibitions in September. Just saying.
I'll be in Essen next week and I'm wondering if there are any clubs that you guys can recommend. I'm willing to jump on a train for an hour if necessary. This will be my first FKK experience, so I'm looking to go to a club that gives the full FKK experience (rather than a nightclub feel). Thanks in advance.
I'll be in Essen next week and I'm wondering if there are any clubs that you guys can recommend. I'm willing to jump on a train for an hour if necessary. This will be my first FKK experience, so I'm looking to go to a club that gives the full FKK experience (rather than a nightclub feel). Thanks in advance.Around Essen NRW, Penelope. Not full naked, but You will see a lot of flesh. Entry 30/35 and girls for 40/60 per 30 . Ada is pretty.
I want to know, If someone want spend one week all day and night 24 x7 in FKK. Is it possible?
Buy paying more or Some VIP arrangement are there in FKK?
I want to know, If someone want spend one week all day and night 24 x7 in FKK. Is it possible?
Buy paying more or Some VIP arrangement are there in FKK?I am not quite sure whether this is a serious question or not.
Anyway in general, You must leave by the closing time e.g around 3am weekdays or 5am during the weekend.
Possible by paying more or Some VIP arrangement? It might be yes, might be not. Possible, if you are preparing to pay what they ask and if they have the spare room to accommodate your overnight.
On the other hand they might refuse it due to security reason. But everything could be negotiated depend how much you are going to pay. But I have not heard anyone has done that.
Keep in mind if a party does not normally do that, it will need a huge incentive to make them do it.
But my guess is that you are at least need to pay an overpriced accommodation + daily entry. You could call them and ask.
You might be better off to book accommodation by yourself close to FKK you are going to visit and go there every single day.
Mio. De is back at Globe. Austrian Aylin ex Bruggen who put silicon when she had big naturals is at Sharks. Andrea. Ro ex Bruggen is at Sharks. Sylvana is 72 yo and walk kilometers for about 16 hours per day.
I am not quite sure whether this is a serious question or not.
Anyway in general, You must leave by the closing time e.g around 3am weekdays or 5am during the weekend.
Possible by paying more or Some VIP arrangement? It might be yes, might be not. Possible, if you are preparing to pay what they ask and if they have the spare room to accommodate your overnight.
On the other hand they might refuse it due to security reason. But everything could be negotiated depend how much you are going to pay. But I have not heard anyone has done that.
Keep in mind if a party does not normally do that, it will need a huge incentive to make them do it.
But my guess is that you are at least need to pay an overpriced accommodation + daily entry. You could call them and ask.
You might be better off to book accommodation by yourself close to FKK you are going to visit and go there every single day.You might also create zoning or licensing problems. If an FKK is in a commercial zone, staying overnight and paying for it might be considered as the FKK having a "hotel" status. This would trigger all sorts of licensing and inspection requirements from local authorities and could result in the FKK being fined for violating zoning laws. I know, here in the USA, that the easiest way to shut down an Asian massage parlor is to uncover evidence that one or more of the girls are living there. The AMP violated their occupancy permit by establishing a "residence" in a commercially-zoned location.
TankTank123
12-24-22, 06:26
I want to know, If someone want spend one week all day and night 24 x7 in FKK. Is it possible?
Buy paying more or Some VIP arrangement are there in FKK?Pre-covid, you could book a room in FKK World for 100 euros per night. These are the well-decorated ground floor rooms. I had stayed there for a few successive nights previously. They provide new sheets, 1-2 pillows, and a thick duvet. The room is also cleaned and aired before you take it over at closing time, and you can stay in till opening time.
Considering that the taxi fare to World each way is about 25 euros, and that you are unlikely to get a decent hotel for less than 60 euros, it is actually a good deal.
I do not know whether it is still possible now, but last month one of my regular girls told me it still is, and tried to persuade me to book a room for an overnight session with her again.
By the way, I used to pay the girls who stayed with me from 5am till 10am 500 euros.
Anyway, the line ups in World in the afternoons now are quite dismal, so it is not worth staying many days there unless you have a regular you are besotted with.
FKK Oase has VIP rooms in their annex that you can book for overnight stay, but as they are very very expensive, I have not tried.
I want to know, If someone want spend one week all day and night 24 x7 in FKK. Is it possible?
Buy paying more or Some VIP arrangement are there in FKK?You can pay to sleep in room and in bed where everybody fuck with wet and smell. Possible in some clubs. Hotel at Wellcum and You can take girls to your room, You just have to pay or seduce.
Clubs could be again under covid restrictions. Let s see.
I used to have RMV app on my old phone. On my new iPhone 14,when I google for rmv app, it give me a lot of different one. All I need is to check train. Bus schedule and make purchase on it.
Can someone advise me which app I should use for Frankfurt area?
I have never been to an FKK in my life and have always wanted to go to one. However with covid it seems like prices for these places have increased a lot and quality seems to decreased (from what I have observed from skimming and lurking). Is it still worth going out of your way to visit an FKK from the US? How reasonable is it to say have a girl for 50 euros for half an hour.
I have never been to an FKK in my life and have always wanted to go to one. However with covid it seems like prices for these places have increased a lot and quality seems to decreased (from what I have observed from skimming and lurking). Is it still worth going out of your way to visit an FKK from the US? How reasonable is it to say have a girl for 50 euros for half an hour.The consensus is that the clubs aren't as good as they were pre-covid, that said most USA Visitors still find their first venture to meet or exceed expectations. As for prices, most Frankfurt area clubs the girls standard rate is 100 for 30 minutes and 150 for 60. Rates at clubs further afield vary but are generally 50 for 30 minutes as a guideline.
Hyperion2007
01-26-23, 12:13
I used to have RMV app on my old phone. On my new iPhone 14,when I google for rmv app, it give me a lot of different one. All I need is to check train. Bus schedule and make purchase on it.
Can someone advise me which app I should use for Frankfurt area?You want the DB Navigator app, you have everything (train, bus, tramway, metro) from every citty in Germany.
I have never been to an FKK in my life and have always wanted to go to one. However with covid it seems like prices for these places have increased a lot and quality seems to decreased (from what I have observed from skimming and lurking). Is it still worth going out of your way to visit an FKK from the US? How reasonable is it to say have a girl for 50 euros for half an hour.No, is the short answer.
I used to have RMV app on my old phone. On my new iPhone 14,when I google for rmv app, it give me a lot of different one. All I need is to check train. Bus schedule and make purchase on it.
Can someone advise me which app I should use for Frankfurt area?I've always used www.bahn.de. They have German and English versions and a pretty good phone app.
If somebody needs to travel thru France (and has other options) I would advise against it. There was a strike on January 19 (one protester lost a testicle) and another one today.
Most Paris metro and suburban rail services were severely restricted, the capital's transport operator RATP said.
Intercity travel was also disrupted, with just one in three high-speed trains likely to run, railway company SNCF predicted.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/france-braces-disruption-more-pension-032824932.html
It seems most of the world does not have much sympathy for the plight of the French workers, and feel Macron's raising of the statutory retirement age from 62 to 64 is perfectly reasonable. Anyway the battle could draw out for months.
If somebody needs to travel thru France (and has other options) I would advise against it. There was a strike on January 19 (one protester lost a testicle) and another one today.
It seems most of the world does not have much sympathy for the plight of the French workers, and feel Macron's raising of the statutory retirement age from 62 to 64 is perfectly reasonable. Anyway the battle could draw out for months.When you learned arithmetics at school and understand people get older and older, so France need to pay retirements longer and longer, so, need to follow other European countries to postpone retirement, just arithmetics, when France is the best when you are sick or for retirement. When I will need to work for 44 years, with retirement not far before 70 yo, but I prefer to keep on working as long I m able to sell my expertise. I just would like a bit more free time for my bicycle and ski, when I wonder if I will still be able to climb legendary Zoncolan, or jump in la Grave la Meije Chancel lake corridor or Mont Gelé Verbier side after 70 yo. When was born, 100% french from generations, I love my little France, number 1 for tourism, meaning the most interesting country. Of course, no FKK and escorts level fell, and so stressing to drive on french autobahns, but driving more than 1000 kms for my week ends is ok for me.
If somebody needs to travel thru France (and has other options) I would advise against it. There was a strike on January 19 (one protester lost a testicle) and another one today. It seems most of the world does not have much sympathy for the plight of the French workers, and feel Macron's raising of the statutory retirement age from 62 to 64 is perfectly reasonable. Anyway the battle could draw out for months.I don't know the ins and outs of the French system, but why can't they do something like what the US does? If somebody wants to retire early at 62 OK then, and they get a reduced Social Security payment. And the longer they delay drawing on Social Security, the more their monthly payment will be until it maxes out at age 70. How does the French system match up with that? Retire at 62 and get a reduced monthly payment. And delay drawing on the system and get a larger payout. Seems a reasonable approach to me. In the US we can still draw on Social Security as soon as age 62 and get a reduced payment. If they were to change that to 64 then that would piss me off too! I would want my financial freedom sooner rather than later, and every year and dollar counts towards that!
I don't know the ins and outs of the French system, but why can't they do something like what the US does? If somebody wants to retire early at 62 OK then, and they get a reduced Social Security payment. And the longer they delay drawing on Social Security, the more their monthly payment will be until it maxes out at age 70. How does the French system match up with that? Retire at 62 and get a reduced monthly payment. And delay drawing on the system and get a larger payout. Seems a reasonable approach to me. In the US we can still draw on Social Security as soon as age 62 and get a reduced payment. If they were to change that to 64 then that would piss me off too! I would want my financial freedom sooner rather than later, and every year and dollar counts towards that!Retirement is when older in some other European countries. Yes, You can retire a bit earlier, with only part of income, when I will prefer to work longer rather than 60% income for retirement. Work make health as a french song, as long my performing brain will be able. Even I killed very badly my heart under very high heat on last Summer, but my sports make me feel so young, like sex and making cumming in 20's natural beauty, jouvence fountain, to work til at least 70 , when business won t find another warrior mercenary like me.
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