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PaulInZurich
02-02-23, 11:44
I don't know the ins and outs of the French system, but why can't they do something like what the US does? If somebody wants to retire early at 62 OK then, and they get a reduced Social Security payment. And the longer they delay drawing on Social Security, the more their monthly payment will be until it maxes out at age 70. How does the French system match up with that? Retire at 62 and get a reduced monthly payment. And delay drawing on the system and get a larger payout. Seems a reasonable approach to me. In the US we can still draw on Social Security as soon as age 62 and get a reduced payment. If they were to change that to 64 then that would piss me off too! I would want my financial freedom sooner rather than later, and every year and dollar counts towards that!I think currently at 62 they get the full first pillar pension (France has a 3 pillar system) , but they need as well 42 years of contribution to the pension fund. I wonder how that works for somebody who was studying until they were 25.
Personally, the second I can apply for early retirement in Switzerland (58) I will do it.
I think currently at 62 they get the full first pillar pension (France has a 3 pillar system) , but they need as well 42 years of contribution to the pension fund. I wonder how that works for somebody who was studying until they were 25.
Personally, the second I can apply for early retirement in Switzerland (58) I will do it.Due to my studies and army, I started to work on full time job at 25 and should have to work for 44 years to get full retirement, but no problem for me when I love my job which is easy for my potential and I prefer to get my job income than retirement. On my retiring age, I will just ask to get 10 weeks for my holidays versus 5 now, for my beloved sports. I m happy to live and work in France.
Due to my studies and army, I started to work on full time job at 25 and should have to work for 44 years to get full retirement, but no problem for me when I love my job which is easy for my potential and I prefer to get my job income than retirement. On my retiring age, I will just ask to get 10 weeks for my holidays versus 5 now, for my beloved sports. I m happy to live and work in France.At the moment, need to work for 43 years or to retire at 67 yo for full retirement. But when more and more numerous old living older and older, I should have to work for 44 years, but no problem when I prefer to work as long I will be able, just needing free time for my sports and to prepare a interesting car like I just did. Despite biggest tax, but our life is so much better than in China or Russia or Romania, or Ukraine unfortunately for them. But more and more people just become too lazy, they want more and more money but don t want to work, when since I work, I always heard: how much money You make for us and how much You cost us, maybe why they pay my S5 versus my results.
PaulInZurich
02-03-23, 16:39
Due to my studies and army, I started to work on full time job at 25 and should have to work for 44 years to get full retirement, but no problem for me when I love my job which is easy for my potential and I prefer to get my job income than retirement. On my retiring age, I will just ask to get 10 weeks for my holidays versus 5 now, for my beloved sports. I m happy to live and work in France.I thought that in France you get more vacation days. I got 5 weeks when I started, soon I get 6 weeks of vacation per year, but my employer gives more than the legal minimum. As well, I get another 3 months paid sabbatical soon, but that's another story.
Good for you that you enjoy your work. As for me, while I don't hate my work, I work to live, I don't live to work. Personally I enjoy my hobbies and time spent with friends and family more than work, so I am looking forward to retirement. I am happy that 28 years of work in Switzerland and some half decent investments will be more than enough to finance my retirement without cuts in my standard of living. Half of the people in Switzerland retire early because they can afford it.
Back to the original subject, if people really depend on their first pension pillar, then retirement sucks for them.
If somebody needs to travel thru France (and has other options) I would advise against it. There was a strike on January 19 (one protester lost a testicle) and another one today.
It seems most of the world does not have much sympathy for the plight of the French workers, and feel Macron's raising of the statutory retirement age from 62 to 64 is perfectly reasonable. Anyway the battle could draw out for months.People need to start wearing cups to protests these days.
In the US we can still draw on Social Security as soon as age 62 and get a reduced payment. If they were to change that to 64 then that would piss me off too! I would want my financial freedom sooner rather than later, and every year and dollar counts towards that!Americans (except for the poorest) have other sources of retirement income aside from the first pillar (Social Security). Low and middle income earners in France depend on the first pillar to a much larger extent.
Mandatory employee and employer pension contributions are much higher in France, so French save very little on their own. Only Italy and Czech Rep contribute more: https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/d164cfc6-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/d164cfc6-en.
In France, the total savings held in retirement plans is equal to 12 percent of gross domestic product. In the U.S., by contrast, pension plan assets are worth 150 percent of GDP, over 12 times greater.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewbiggs/2023/02/02/french-lessons-for-the-us-on-social-security-reform
France is the most indebted nation in Europe: https://www.cmegroup.com/insights/economic-research/2022/is-france-at-risk-of-a-debt-crisis.html.
France has the third highest debts in the world, a huge structural deficit and an ageing population that refuses to work for longer. When Macron backs down on pensions as he inevitably will investors will realise that the country's social model is unsustainable and they aren't going to get their money back. And the fallout from that will get very ugly.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/01/30/collapse-confidence-macrons-france-will-brutal-sudden/
Due to my studies and army, I started to work on full time job at 25 and should have to work for 44 years to get full retirement, but no problem for me when I love my job which is easy for my potential and I prefer to get my job income than retirement. On my retiring age, I will just ask to get 10 weeks for my holidays versus 5 now, for my beloved sports. I m happy to live and work in France.Just come to the USA where people can retire at any age and be homeless.
Milfotronic
02-07-23, 19:47
Hi, fellow mongers,
I don't have much experience of FKK activity, only been to two clubs in Hamburg. Planning another trip to Germany but don't want to visit the huge mainstream FKKs like Artemis and Sharks. I 'd like to visit a smaller club which still has good service and classy women. Which one would you guys suggest? Appreciate your help.
Hi, fellow mongers,
I don't have much experience of FKK activity, only been to two clubs in Hamburg. Planning another trip to Germany but don't want to visit the huge mainstream FKKs like Artemis and Sharks. I 'd like to visit a smaller club which still has good service and classy women. Which one would you guys suggest? Appreciate your help.Classy are very rare in FKK land. I advice You Sixens NL close to Aachen with HH for entry. Good foods and SPA. Some good girls like 1,80 model Lea. De coming from escorting, cute GFE Ramona.
Just come to the USA where people can retire at any age and be homeless.What American dream. When I won t be anymore able to work, when I would like to work as old I will be able, when I own my big house, but I would like to make a hole in my beloved mountains to live like kind of bear.
What American dream. When I won t be anymore able to work, when I would like to work as old I will be able, when I own my big house, but I would like to make a hole in my beloved mountains to live like kind of bear.Half the American workforce earns less that $15 per hour. Whereas to afford an apartment on needs to earn $28 per hour. And to afford a house in the USA one needs to earn $50 per hour at least. Most people live in slums in the USA and no work because they are trying to avoid being shot by gang members and government opression.
Half the American workforce earns less that $15 per hour. Whereas to afford an apartment on needs to earn $28 per hour. And to afford a house in the USA one needs to earn $50 per hour at least. Most people live in slums in the USA and no work because they are trying to avoid being shot by gang members and government opression.In Texas, seem basic workers make 20000 USD monthly in petrol business, seem not bad without high education level, more than double income than median in Zurich city. I m happy with my job in France. When retirement is at 67 in Germany, no problem for me to go til 70 . In France, some have house for week end, in Russia they have datchas, I have FKK land for my week ends when I don t ski or bicycle climb.
In Texas, seem basic workers make 20000 USD monthly in petrol business, seem not bad without high education level, more than double income than median in Zurich city. I m happy with my job in France. When retirement is at 67 in Germany, no problem for me to go til 70 . In France, some have house for week end, in Russia they have datchas, I have FKK land for my week ends when I don t ski or bicycle climb.You have been sold a bill of goods by the USA propaganda machine. I can assure you most definitely that the basic workers make nowhere near $20,000 USD per month!
In fact the minimum wage in Texas is $8.50 per hour!
You have been sold a bill of goods by the USA propaganda machine. I can assure you most definitely that the basic workers make nowhere near $20,000 USD per month!
In fact the minimum wage in Texas is $8.50 per hour!Working in petrol industry, coming from everywhere in US to Texas.
Working in petrol industry, coming from everywhere in US to Texas.If you can post a link for a petrol job in Texas for $20,000 per month I will apply for it ASAP.
Working in petrol industry, coming from everywhere in US to Texas.The salary reported by ziprecruiter is $60,000 and requires outside in the fumes and sun. This is not sun like in Europe it is pretty much 10 times stronger UV rays.
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Oil-Field-Salary--in-Texas
The salary reported by ziprecruiter is $60,000 and requires outside in the fumes and sun. This is not sun like in Europe it is pretty much 10 times stronger UV rays.
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Oil-Field-Salary--in-TexasThe USA was meant to have Afros work outside jobs which is why the original tobacco and plantation system as whites get a red neck and need to be in the shade.
Delta Indigo
02-12-23, 07:28
Can roughly list the names of the fully nude clubs in NWR? I can think of Babylon, Elsdorf, Luderland, Luderlounge and Grimberg. Are there any others?
Can roughly list the names of the fully nude clubs in NWR? I can think of Babylon, Elsdorf, Luderland, Luderlounge and Grimberg. Are there any others?My limited experience is that seeing nude girls walking around in NRW FKK's is rare, I think fully nude is much more likely in Hessen. Others with up to date knowledge will confirm either way.
Can roughly list the names of the fully nude clubs in NWR? I can think of Babylon, Elsdorf, Luderland, Luderlounge and Grimberg. Are there any others?Bernds, sauna club Venus not RTC villa Venus. All RTC, many in NRW.
My limited experience is that seeing nude girls walking around in NRW FKK's is rare, I think fully nude is much more likely in Hessen. Others with up to date knowledge will confirm either way.Many are not anymore full naked now in Hessen, at Sharks and Oase.
Delta Indigo
02-13-23, 11:45
Bernds, sauna club Venus not RTC villa Venus. All RTC, many in NRW.Villa Venus in Duisburg? Not sure what you meant, is this an RTC or like Sauna Club Venus?
Villa Venus in Duisburg? Not sure what you meant, is this an RTC or like Sauna Club Venus?Sauna club Venus and RTC Villa Venus are different. Both will full naked girls, when more and more rare in Hessen.
A Mexican American reports the sun is really strong in the USA:
https://youtu.be/TAQd5_ZFlqo?t=379
On 2020 , really enjoyed a multi orgasmic German ex Artemis at Globe for 140 per 30 and really liked GT Vienna where I went for Anita ex Bruggen, with wow discovery of Iranian Sepid.
On 2021 , Sharks was really good with many 100/60 GFE rooms.
2022 was my German year with many great Germans. Sharks improved on end of year with discovery of charming frenchie.
2023 started really good, still with frenchie, I really enjoyed Carmen at Amesia even not wow Nayla. Ch and now found a wow Italian for 130/60 in NRW.
I would say I still find at least same quality than before covid when I increased my expectations under covid becoming more picky than before, and higher level than most escorts now in Paris. Worthing the drive, when Germans are now so slow, needing to race technique kick in brakes when twice faster than most, ski shoes jumping from the back crashing in front seats, really violent, but fat heavy Milo Venus V8 make brakes too warm with high vibrations if not kicking like this, when Germans are too slow. Still very enjoyable FKK and have to try to stay on the track.
For fans, German manga Mio is on tour at Globe. Lovely and cute face.
PaulInZurich
03-05-23, 16:33
Working in petrol industry, coming from everywhere in US to Texas.Still waiting for the example job posting of "basic worker" for 20 k per month.
Still waiting for the example job posting of "basic worker" for 20 k per month.Look on your internet about salaries in petrol business in Texas.
PaulInZurich
03-06-23, 11:58
Look on your internet about salaries in petrol business in Texas.I didn't find anything even close to "basic worker" for USD 20 k per month. I am sure you found some before and can prove me wrong.
Inflation yes, but nothing else that I know of went up 100%, not even gasoline.Agree with EA on this, prices are BSC after the kung flu, as if the 2017 law didn't F things up quite enough. Sharks prices almost comparable to Globe at this point? Then why risk Sharks bad service when you can get solid service at Globe? Peruse the German boards, service is a flop at Sharks somewhere between 25 to 40 percent of the time. Ouch. BTW, the German OP with the lengthy 2017 diatribe supra is full of shit. Yes, 2017 did FU the FKK scene quite a bit, but that does not explain how the OP at GT successfully held the line for price / performance until the covi--the closure. I've heard elsewhere that it was SPs that were responsible for the GT success model. They held the line on prices / service because they wanted access to its particular clientele that the club drew in from NE and BEL. Maybe BS, maybe not.
Separate Q for EA, didn't you crash a Venus club in the NRW? Was it the one in Duisburg or Hamminkeln?
Agree with EA on this, prices are BSC after the kung flu, as if the 2017 law didn't F things up quite enough. Sharks prices almost comparable to Globe at this point? Then why risk Sharks bad service when you can get solid service at Globe? Peruse the German boards, service is a flop at Sharks somewhere between 25 to 40 percent of the time. Ouch. BTW, the German OP with the lengthy 2017 diatribe supra is full of shit. Yes, 2017 did FU the FKK scene quite a bit, but that does not explain how the OP at GT successfully held the line for price / performance until the covi--the closure. I've heard elsewhere that it was SPs that were responsible for the GT success model. They held the line on prices / service because they wanted access to its particular clientele that the club drew in from NE and BEL. Maybe BS, maybe not.
Separate Q for EA, didn't you crash a Venus club in the NRW? Was it the one in Duisburg or Hamminkeln?When You really experienced, You know 2017 law didn t change anything else than registration for girls. If I go to RTC today, I will get BBBJ, FK and AO for 30€ . Also, I prefer Sharks and Oase and Freubad than Globe now. Why? Because I find prettier girls and even at Freubad on Sunday evening after my extreme runs in Verbier Monts Gelé and Fort, than now at Globe and I don t need rules to play my game with girls when I m probably one of those who push them deepest in their intimacy when real french kiss and DATY to make them cum are more intimate for most girls than BBBJ or even AO fucking, maybe why some turned mad when we stop, when they came weekly to me to repeat. But in brothels, I only marry faithful for the good, not for the bad, even I m the most faithful as long getting pleasure. From my weekly subjective experiences. Germany is best potential with Freubad. Ch with HH 199/60 , for me.
Escape Artist
04-11-23, 16:22
Agree with EA on this, prices are BSC after the kung flu, as if the 2017 law didn't F things up quite enough. Sharks prices almost comparable to Globe at this point? Then why risk Sharks bad service when you can get solid service at Globe? Peruse the German boards, service is a flop at Sharks somewhere between 25 to 40 percent of the time. Ouch. BTW, the German OP with the lengthy 2017 diatribe supra is full of shit. Yes, 2017 did FU the FKK scene quite a bit, but that does not explain how the OP at GT successfully held the line for price / performance until the covi--the closure. I've heard elsewhere that it was SPs that were responsible for the GT success model. They held the line on prices / service because they wanted access to its particular clientele that the club drew in from NE and BEL. Maybe BS, maybe not.
Separate Q for EA, didn't you crash a Venus club in the NRW? Was it the one in Duisburg or Hamminkeln?The one in Hamminkeln. Great little club with a small line up and clean amenities. Service always reliable. The owner keeps a tight leash on the girls' service standards much like the managers of former GoldenTime.
I think many mongers would agree with you that 2017 was a significant year that changed the FKK landscape for the worse. Many girls asking for a BBBJ upcharge was only one consequence. The bigger one was that registration heavily dampened the supply of new talent coming in. Less fresh talent so less fresh girls who have not already separated personal enjoyment of sex versus turning off that switch when in a room with a customer. Average age of girls have gone up and with that, average expectation of income where before 19-20 year old girls were happy finishing the day a couple hundred euros on top. As girls get older, their expectation of a good earning day goes up. Lastly, even less Germans and other western European girls than before. Only German girls now are the trashy ones. I even remember there being a Dutch girl in 2017.
While COVID had more of an impact on price, I think 2017 laws had more of an impact on the trajectory of the FKK experience.
When You really experienced, You know 2017 law didn t change anything else than registration for girls. If I go to RTC today, I will get BBBJ, FK and AO for 30 . Also, I prefer Sharks and Oase and Freubad than Globe now. Why? Because I find prettier girls and even at Freubad on Sunday evening after my extreme runs in Verbier Monts Gel and Fort, than now at Globe and I don t need rules to play my game with girls when I m probably one of those who push them deepest in their intimacy when real french kiss and DATY to make them cum are more intimate for most girls than BBBJ or even AO fucking, maybe why some turned mad when we stop, when they came weekly to me to repeat. But in brothels, I only marry faithful for the good, not for the bad, even I m the most faithful as long getting pleasure. From my weekly subjective experiences. Germany is best potential with Freubad. Ch with HH 199/60 , for me.2017 law was the death of the "club rate. " Sure, some front desks still whispered the "expected rates" to new guests post 2017, but it was already the beginning of the end. Now post covid it's the Wild West in DE FKKs. That's fine if you're a local and can ferret out the bad SPs, but for international mongers it's def more difficult than before. As for Switzerland, it's still the land of milk and honey, with posted tagesplan and club rates. Is there variation is service in Switzerland? You bet. Globe is great 95 percent of the time. Cleo was a bust for me. Sex park was good but not perfect. I haven't done Freubad yet but hopefully soon. Actually, my next trip will focus on smaller boutique clubs closer to NRW, hunting for new gems. So many casualties PSR, LR, GT, DV, bummer.
2017 law was the death of the "club rate. " Sure, some front desks still whispered the "expected rates" to new guests post 2017, but it was already the beginning of the end. Now post covid it's the Wild West in DE FKKs. That's fine if you're a local and can ferret out the bad SPs, but for international mongers it's def more difficult than before. As for Switzerland, it's still the land of milk and honey, with posted tagesplan and club rates. Is there variation is service in Switzerland? You bet. Globe is great 95 percent of the time. Cleo was a bust for me. Sex park was good but not perfect. I haven't done Freubad yet but hopefully soon. Actually, my next trip will focus on smaller boutique clubs closer to NRW, hunting for new gems. So many casualties PSR, LR, GT, DV, bummer.Such falling quality for looks and real fresh GFE at Globe for increased too expensive rate, when, even not a local, but I find higher quality and prettier girls in Germany for less expensive, when I don't need Globe rules and hate public sex killing my desire when I see a piece of meat fucked. I highered my expectations since covid and find on my standard.
Such falling quality for looks and real fresh GFE at Globe for increased too expensive rate, when, even not a local, but I find higher quality and prettier girls in Germany for less expensive, when I don't need Globe rules and hate public sex killing my desire when I see a piece of meat fucked. I highered my expectations since covid and find on my standard.Two points. One, I agree that the public sex thing is an interesting thing to see once in your life, but personally it's not for me. Two, you can be a master negotiator on the couch and still get shafted, so to speak, in the zimmer with promises made but not kept by the SP. In Globe, you can talk to the desk and the girls will take note. Two many complaints and they are kaputt. In Germany, well, post-2017, you're just screwed. The club OPs aren't going to lift a finger. That's why the locals are still doing okay through networking and trial and error every weekend, but the international mongers are wading into a mine field. I'm still going to DE but the hunt for ZK at a reasonable rate is def trickier these days.
Two points. One, I agree that the public sex thing is an interesting thing to see once in your life, but personally it's not for me. Two, you can be a master negotiator on the couch and still get shafted, so to speak, in the zimmer with promises made but not kept by the SP. In Globe, you can talk to the desk and the girls will take note. Two many complaints and they are kaputt. In Germany, well, post-2017, you're just screwed. The club OPs aren't going to lift a finger. That's why the locals are still doing okay through networking and trial and error every weekend, but the international mongers are wading into a mine field. I'm still going to DE but the hunt for ZK at a reasonable rate is def trickier these days.My hope is to make just one more big trip to "Germongery" post-pandemic. And after that I think I will be done with Germany in favor of Brazil for mongering and discovering countries that I have not been to before for both mongering and non-mongering purposes. I just can't see continuing to go to Germany when I have Brazil. But before I call it quits, I need to have that last final hurrah! I'm going to do it up too with an epic trip in the works.
Two points. One, I agree that the public sex thing is an interesting thing to see once in your life, but personally it's not for me. Two, you can be a master negotiator on the couch and still get shafted, so to speak, in the zimmer with promises made but not kept by the SP. In Globe, you can talk to the desk and the girls will take note. Two many complaints and they are kaputt. In Germany, well, post-2017, you're just screwed. The club OPs aren't going to lift a finger. That's why the locals are still doing okay through networking and trial and error every weekend, but the international mongers are wading into a mine field. I'm still going to DE but the hunt for ZK at a reasonable rate is def trickier these days.A bad guy like me don't need to cry on desk, I never did at Bruggen, nor Globe, when I prefer to play to get from girls and I prefer full natural beauties able for fresh GFE than porn at Globe when rules there don't help for fresh GFE, but more robots following rules. Ekaterina who is a star at Globe, queen for putting her tongue in my throat and deeply BBBJ my more than 3 times size, but not GFE enough for me, so I didn't repeat, when I find higher level for less expensive in Germany. I'm not a local, but success depend on profiles you choose, when I don't go with porn dolls, nor prostitute images.
A bad guy like me don't need to cry on desk, I never did at Bruggen, nor Globe, when I prefer to play to get from girls and I prefer full natural beauties able for fresh GFE than porn at Globe when rules there don't help for fresh GFE, but more robots following rules. Ekaterina who is a star at Globe, queen for putting her tongue in my throat and deeply BBBJ my more than 3 times size, but not GFE enough for me, so I didn't repeat, when I find higher level for less expensive in Germany. I'm not a local, but success depend on profiles you choose, when I don't go with porn dolls, nor prostitute images.I never negotiate nor beg because it would kill GFE atmosphere I need, I just run away from not kissing girls without insisting and from girls saying: I don t sell love, when I pay for love in bed, only in bed, whatever can imagine many girls, I don t pay to only empty my balls, when I had great rooms without finishing and some not really good even filling plastic.
My hope is to make just one more big trip to "Germongery" post-pandemic. And after that I think I will be done with Germany in favor of Brazil for mongering and discovering countries that I have not been to before for both mongering and non-mongering purposes. I just can't see continuing to go to Germany when I have Brazil. But before I call it quits, I need to have that last final hurrah! I'm going to do it up too with an epic trip in the works.My choices are more limited, it's the MTL or Deutschland oder die Schweiz for me brother. I'll just have to take our French road warrior's advice and improve my game, picking out promising profiles the best I can taking whatever flops on the chin here and there. My next Foret into the NRW in next month, hope to see you there. Otherwise, a boatload of club reports on the way. You all can laugh at my expense as I blunder about looking for petit spinners with good ZK.
Lovely German manga Mio on tour at Globe. Funny girl.
Bhamsookh1
04-27-23, 04:30
Hello,
Apologies in advance as this may not be right Group but couldn't find better option and didn't seek help elsewhere.
I will be staying for a few weeks in Brussels this summer, so I will appreciate a few contacts of independent girls that I can bring to hotel. I do not like escorts too much as they are overworked and I am failure on tinder and bumble. Like not professional prostitutes. Girls who do it as a side. Please PM me, thanks.
Also is Marie active?
The ginger colour hair girl who travelled between Antwerp, Brussels and Amsterdam.
Please share her contact if available!
Thanks.
My hope is to make just one more big trip to "Germongery" post-pandemic. And after that I think I will be done with Germany in favor of Brazil for mongering and discovering countries that I have not been to before for both mongering and non-mongering purposes. I just can't see continuing to go to Germany when I have Brazil. But before I call it quits, I need to have that last final hurrah! I'm going to do it up too with an epic trip in the works.I've made 4 post covid trips so far but none for mongering. My first post covid mongering trip will be later this year. However, I'm really not feeling Germany. I think it will be Mexico first then Brazil. I had a really great time in Mexico back in 2010 and have not been back since. I understand there are hot Russians, Ukrainians and Eastern Europeans to be got in Mexico City.
Cool Dude07
04-29-23, 17:37
Hello,
I am very new to this mongering world. I want to try some VFM option. I prefer Big ass girls. Please share some lead how can I start my journey. Thanks.
Hello,
I am very new to this mongering world. I want to try some VFM option. I prefer Big ass girls. Please share some lead how can I start my journey. Thanks.Go to Sharks, plenty of fat arsed girls there, problem is most said girls are fat all over.
Hello,
I am very new to this mongering world. I want to try some VFM option. I prefer Big ass girls. Please share some lead how can I start my journey. Thanks.Never been but I think fat Latinas in club Sky in NRW.
ChadfFutaSlave
05-08-23, 13:36
Total FKK club noob question since I haven't actually seen it explicitly stated reading the forums:
Is FS (esp full meal) normal? Included? I see plenty of reference to DFK, French iutside, finger, anal, rim, CIM, etc. But uh. Do they also do FS or JUST those other services? 🤔.
Total FKK club noob question since I haven't actually seen it explicitly stated reading the forums:
Is FS (esp full meal) normal? Included? I see plenty of reference to DFK, French iutside, finger, anal, rim, CIM, etc. But uh. Do they also do FS or JUST those other services? 🤔.I do not know what full meal means. FS mean Covered Full Sex which means covered vaginal sex (generally multiple positions) and 1 shot and generally CBJ (not always, you need to confirm with girl). Everything else is normally extra but you need to ask the girl prior to the room as some offer BBBJ or DFK or FK as part of FS and most others is an extra. Anal / BDM / CIM is always extra. There are probably more options which isn't always offered by all the girls. Not all girls offer everything even if it is extra. In other words, always negotiate prior to the room and even then; you may not always get what you agreed on.
Total FKK club noob question since I haven't actually seen it explicitly stated reading the forums:
Is FS (esp full meal) normal? Included? I see plenty of reference to DFK, French iutside, finger, anal, rim, CIM, etc. But uh. Do they also do FS or JUST those other services? 🤔.Is FS mean without condom, then You have to go to RTC or some at Bernds or Bab.
Never been but I think fat Latinas in club Sky in NRW.I know that there have always been 40-ish Latinas in Sky. But they definitely know what sex is all about. And most of them surely aren't ugly and are master in oily pussysliding.
I'll be over there in Varresbeck / Wuppertal some time next week and I'll report in detail on some of them.
Milfotronic
05-18-23, 19:11
Heading for FKK tour next month. Planning on renting a cheap car. Please recommend a good and reliable car rental. Appreciate your advice.
Heading for FKK tour next month. Planning on renting a cheap car. Please recommend a good and reliable car rental. Appreciate your advice.Unless I am going from city to city I never bother with car rental, it's just too much hassle and cost. IMHO I would book with one of the big companies, Avis, Hertz, Enterprise and stay clear of the smaller companies. I have heard many stories of customers being charged for repairs for the smallest possible scratches etc that are 'wear and tear'. They are all a bunch of Sharks, if you pardon the pun. Use the train and / or uber, less stress.
Milfotronic
05-19-23, 20:23
Unless I am going from city to city I never bother with car rental, it's just too much hassle and cost. IMHO I would book with one of the big companies, Avis, Hertz, Enterprise and stay clear of the smaller companies. I have heard many stories of customers being charged for repairs for the smallest possible scratches etc that are 'wear and tear'. They are all a bunch of Sharks, if you pardon the pun. Use the train and / or uber, less stress.I was in fact planning on driving between cities but what you say makes sense. When you drive you have to find and (probably) pay for parking. Also there is some risk of traffic jams and whatnot. Biggest advantage is that you don't need to wait for trains and buses, moreover you can be mobile at night. Thank you for your comment.
I was in fact planning on driving between cities but what you say makes sense. When you drive you have to find and (probably) pay for parking. Also there is some risk of traffic jams and whatnot. Biggest advantage is that you don't need to wait for trains and buses, moreover you can be mobile at night. Thank you for your comment.Easy to park without having to pay in most clubs. Germany is worldchampion for works on autobahns, killing brakes. Easy to go from Darmstadt to Oase or GG.
Escape Artist
05-20-23, 19:01
I was in fact planning on driving between cities but what you say makes sense. When you drive you have to find and (probably) pay for parking. Also there is some risk of traffic jams and whatnot. Biggest advantage is that you don't need to wait for trains and buses, moreover you can be mobile at night. Thank you for your comment.I've never really understood the argument that car rental is cumbersome and expensive. For sure if you are only using trains and staying local for a short visit, getting a car is less advantageous. But at the same time, on short stays, 1-2 hours commuting by public transport really is valuable time that I wouldn't want to waste. The cost difference of a 25-30 euro rental versus 10-15 euro in train fares for a couple of days don't seem to be worth my lost hour or two plus hassle of waiting on buses / trains and walking / transferring from stops / stations to clubs. Most clubs are located in industrial / rural areas with free parking lots or free street parking so parking fees are only an issue if you are in a hotel in downtown.
And you touched on one of the biggest advantages of having a car in my opinion, freedom of movement, especially at night. Having to keep a deadline in my mind of when busses and trains stop running is a major drag when trying to enjoy your time in a fuck club. If I'm looking for one more room at 9 pm, it's not a fun feeling being pressured to find a girl quickly and finishing a room in a set time only to rush to get dressed and hustle to the nearest bus / train station at 11 at night. The other scenario is if a club is having a bad line up day or just too busy, I like being able to bail and drive to another club to salvage the night. And like you said, if you have multiple cities and can commute at night, a car just makes everything so much easier.
Of course taxi and uber gives you the best advantage of being able to move about within a city. However, that comes at a price. One way fare from Frankfurt to Sharks or Oase is 40-50 e. Distances can be even greater in the Cologne-Dusseldorf area. You can easily spend 100 e per day just in travel to and from clubs. But if you have a hotel nearby one club and only visit that club, then sure, a 10 e taxi isn't a big deal.
My rule, anything over 2 days, get a car. For short stays, get a hotel next to the club.
Yes, car give more freedom. On this Saturday, after my girl at GG in middle of nowhere, when GG casting is low, I moved, for pleasure, to Oase in middle of nowhere. What a cleaning run for nearly 300 kms. When on Thursday, I was in so disappointing Sharks Darmstadt, then GG NRW on Friday and Saturday, then Oase on this night. At least, I found my standard 200/90 to really enjoy quality at GG or in Hessen, when was 150/90 in 2016/2017 , quite acceptable for really quality with elegant woman types.
TravelBless
05-22-23, 23:47
Gents over the last number of years I have visited all the FKK clubs listed below and I give the positives and negatives of all I have visited. Starting with the club I least favoured to my most favoured one.
FKK Funplast Vienna.
This is the only club I have been to that I would recomend not to go. The club is huge and has potential. Unfortunately it's not well maintained. The showers stink and were dirty. Girls are 6/7 rating on average and basic service levels. Did not like the vibe in the place.
FKK Amesia Zurich.
Medium size club with 30 or so girls majority were 7's with some less than that. Potential to find a diamond of an 8 and there was 1 or 2 amoung the girls when I visited. Check the website for girls in attendance. Would I go again probably, its an alternative to the two better clubs in Zurich that I mention later but not as good as either. Chilled atmosphere, food served and was ok.
FKK Oase Frankfurt.
Check my resent report. Large club with big outside area which I could not use as was an overcast day when I was there. Up to 40 girls in attendance with most being in the 7/8 range with some late 20 year old girls with 8/9 bodies depending on your taste. Most were experienced in the business and in the 23 to 33 year old bracket. Its a bit outside town on a country road just as a heads up so get a taxi from train station. Has a small restaurant that had OK food.
FKK Golden Time Vienna.
Medium size club and modern on a par girl wise with Oase see above but maybe a wider range of girl types. Expect about 40 or 50 in attendance depending on the day. Food served and ok. If in Vienna go and check it out. Line up can be up and down but check forums for latest. I would go again.
FKK Club Swiss Zurich.
Small club but a real gem more for locals. Club is very modern even though small. Line up of only 10 to 15 girls but majority in the 8 range with some really fine and the odd 9. See website for lineup and pics 95% accurate wiith only slight filtering. Service level high as its part of the Globe group.
FKK Welcum Villach Southern Austria.
Large modern club with decent food and hotel on site to stay for a couple days at club. Club facilities and layoutbvery similar to Sharks. Line up very similar to Sharks also, See in my recent Sharks review, plenty of 8's for all tastes with the odd 9 on site if your lucky. Only drawback to this club and its a big one is that it very hard to travel too. 5/6 hours by train from Vienna. Its only a couple of km from Itallian border and that's their market so expert alot of Itallian punters. I though the line up in Sharks this mouth was better then Welcum in May last year.
FKK Sharks Frankfurt.
See my recent review for line up. Line up will have about 80 girls Fri or Sat for all tastes from skinny 18 year old to 40 plus milfs and all in between. Club facility is very similar in size and standard to Welcum. Service 100 euro for 30 mins BBBJ and covered sex. Service level can depend on rapour you build with the girls, expect some with a great attitude and others can be Skarky but that's for you to figure out.
FKK CLUB GLOBE ZURICH.
Still the best if it has a few flaws. First the good part management but pressure on the girls to give a good service so expect the best intimate service on average of all the clubs. Line up very strong if there has been some reports indicating a decline. Also alot of public sex so you can ride your girl anywhere does not matter if everyone can see go for it. Expect to see some fucking in public. See on website the daily schedule which is accurate, pic 95% accurate with only slight filtering. Negatives expect 40 % silicone and that girls can get booked for hours so even though it says 45 on site per the website at 9 pm only 5 or 6 girls maybe on the club floor, so get there early. Also rooms are basic compared to some other clubs. There something about Globe that has kept it at or near the top for so many years now, visit at least once if you get the chance. Oh and the Swiss clubs are expensive remember Swiss frank.
Well that's all I have. For first timers go to Sharks is my recommendation. Maybe plan an overnight trip. Fly in early morning to Frankfurt and get something to eat. Get to club early, get diner in club from 6 till 9 and stay till 4 am. Get a taxi to airport and fly back home. Have as many girls at 100 euro for 30 mins as you can muster as well of course. You can rest sleep on lounger in the upstairs area later on. You will not regret it. Some advise the best time in the clubs is from 3 pm till 11 pm, so always get there early. Going for 9 pm is to late. Early shift have gone home and only a small number are there after midnight in most clubs. Around 6 to 7 when early and late shifts overlap is peek time. Remember it's not a nightclub were things get going late.
There's a lot of posting on Berlin, much less as you head west until you drop down into the NRW area around theüsseldorf.
Got to do some work up closer to Hannover and Hamburg. Any and all want to offer a few side trip recommendations. I've been to Hamburg's FKK (reports in forum). Done Berlin. Never hobbies in Hannover except with escorts.
Looking for some help.
Thanks.
Milfotronic
06-12-23, 13:39
Will travel to Germany coming weekend and decided to visit one of the famous mainstream clubs for the first time. I let you guys decide which one I should chose between Oase and Sharks. I will most likely spend lots of time sunbathing and relaxing. Please share your opinion why I should choose one over the other.
Will travel to Germany coming weekend and decided to visit one of the famous mainstream clubs for the first time. I let you guys decide which one I should chose between Oase and Sharks. I will most likely spend lots of time sunbathing and relaxing. Please share your opinion why I should choose one over the other.I think if there was a poll on this question it would probably be in the region of 50/50. In pre-pandemic times my personal opinion would be Sharks. Based on recent experience and from what I am told outside this site Oase would be the preferred option. It's all subjective but to me Oase has the better choice of girls, food is marginally better and the outside is better as well. Others will probably disagree. Have you considered doing both, they are about 60-90 minutes away from each other by train?
Will travel to Germany coming weekend and decided to visit one of the famous mainstream clubs for the first time. I let you guys decide which one I should chose between Oase and Sharks. I will most likely spend lots of time sunbathing and relaxing. Please share your opinion why I should choose one over the other.Sharks has overall better experience in my opinion. Better food, more girls, bigger facility, quite good location (easy to go out to the city and back). Oase is located quite a bit from the city and does not have as much food options as Sharks. Both clubs have same quality of girls. Sharks has more girls on the extreme end. However there is more smoke in Sharks than Oase. The pool at Oase is also better than Sharks.
Sharks has overall better experience in my opinion. Better food, more girls, bigger facility, quite good location (easy to go out to the city and back). Oase is located quite a bit from the city and does not have as much food options as Sharks. Both clubs have same quality of girls. Sharks has more girls on the extreme end. However there is more smoke in Sharks than Oase. The pool at Oase is also better than Sharks.Better outdoor at Oase.
I think if there was a poll on this question it would probably be in the region of 50/50. In pre-pandemic times my personal opinion would be Sharks. Based on recent experience and from what I am told outside this site Oase would be the preferred option. It's all subjective but to me Oase has the better choice of girls, food is marginally better and the outside is better as well. Others will probably disagree. Have you considered doing both, they are about 60-90 minutes away from each other by train?I confirm both are enjoyable. For girls, Oase is more for night than Sharks which is quite dead after 1 am for A team, even I was surprised on Saturday to see one needing to work til 3 am after turning hunting so much. Even with 100 speed limit between airport and ausfahrt to Dietzenbach, around 30 mn driving between both. Can push on North Frankfurt. Once going to Oase, could easily follow BMW polizei in action, now I know on unlimited speed, they won t be able to follow when much over 270/280 .
I've never really understood the argument that car rental is cumbersome and expensive. For sure if you are only using trains and staying local for a short visit, getting a car is less advantageous. But at the same time, on short stays, 1-2 hours commuting by public transport really is valuable time that I wouldn't want to waste. The cost difference of a 25-30 euro rental versus 10-15 euro in train fares for a couple of days don't seem to be worth my lost hour or two plus hassle of waiting on buses / trains and walking / transferring from stops / stations to clubs. Most clubs are located in industrial / rural areas with free parking lots or free street parking so parking fees are only an issue if you are in a hotel in downtown.
And you touched on one of the biggest advantages of having a car in my opinion, freedom of movement, especially at night. Having to keep a deadline in my mind of when busses and trains stop running is a major drag when trying to enjoy your time in a fuck club. If I'm looking for one more room at 9 pm, it's not a fun feeling being pressured to find a girl quickly and finishing a room in a set time only to rush to get dressed and hustle to the nearest bus / train station at 11 at night. The other scenario is if a club is having a bad line up day or just too busy, I like being able to bail and drive to another club to salvage the night. And like you said, if you have multiple cities and can commute at night, a car just makes everything so much easier.
Of course taxi and uber gives you the best advantage of being able to move about within a city. However, that comes at a price. One way fare from Frankfurt to Sharks or Oase is 40-50 e. Distances can be even greater in the Cologne-Dusseldorf area. You can easily spend 100 e per day just in travel to and from clubs. But if you have a hotel nearby one club and only visit that club, then sure, a 10 e taxi isn't a big deal.
My rule, anything over 2 days, get a car. For short stays, get a hotel next to the club.The biggest disadvantage of renting a car you failed to mention is that you can't drink alcohol at all. I go to Germany to enjoy beer. Especially when it's free at some club (Samya etc.), there is no way to go there without alcohol.
Sharks has overall better experience in my opinion. Better food, more girls, bigger facility, quite good location (easy to go out to the city and back). Oase is located quite a bit from the city and does not have as much food options as Sharks. Both clubs have same quality of girls. Sharks has more girls on the extreme end. However there is more smoke in Sharks than Oase. The pool at Oase is also better than Sharks.I can't tell which is real because everyone thinks something different. Seems a lot of people are saying that Globe has better looking girls than Sharks or Artemis. What do you think?
The real question is, which club has the most actual germans? Seems like most of the girls at german / Swiss FKK are romanian.
I can't tell which is real because everyone thinks something different. Seems a lot of people are saying that Globe has better looking girls than Sharks or Artemis. What do you think?
The real question is, which club has the most actual germans? Seems like most of the girls at german / Swiss FKK are romanian.Globe fell for looks. Not clever staff and all their rules make fall business. Not the best place now to find pretty Germans.
Hi friends.
Coming to Dusseldorf on July 14 Friday afternoon. Earlier plan was to visit ACAGold. Recent reviews says club is on down hill. So confused whether to visit ACA or LR on the peak Friday? Saturday visiting Penalope and Sunday GG. Need an advice from you friends on ACAG / LR. I visited LR in 2019 and it was a great experience for me. Never being to ACAG.
Hi friends.
Coming to Dusseldorf on July 14 Friday afternoon. Earlier plan was to visit ACAGold. Recent reviews says club is on down hill. So confused whether to visit ACA or LR on the peak Friday? Saturday visiting Penalope and Sunday GG. Need an advice from you friends on ACAG / LR. I visited LR in 2019 and it was a great experience for me. Never being to ACAG.Sunday is not best day for GG which have average casting. I would better go on Friday at 1 pm. Good choice for Penelope on Saturday, really waking up at 6/7 pm but garden pool for afternoon. For Sunday, 6 ens NL stuck to Aachen would be my first choice, or Gold but keep your values with You from robbery, or LR which have around 15 girls and didn t see any wow there. Some ex LR at GG but no wow seen. Bulgarian Turkish lovely Nelli now with silicon is at GG.
Sunday is not best day for GG which have average casting. I would better go on Friday at 1 pm. Good choice for Penelope on Saturday, really waking up at 6/7 pm but garden pool for afternoon. For Sunday, 6 ens NL stuck to Aachen would be my first choice, or Gold but keep your values with You from robbery, or LR which have around 15 girls and didn t see any wow there. Some ex LR at GG but no wow seen. Bulgarian Turkish lovely Nelli now with silicon is at GG.Thanks Siri. I will fix with LR on Friday vs ACA Gold. Visiting Babylon and Sixsense on Monday and Tuesday. Wednesday I move to FR for two nights and then to Zurich and Freubad.
Globe fell for looks. Not clever staff and all their rules make fall business. Not the best place now to find pretty Germans.What is then? This is what I meant with my post.
Sunday is not best day for GG which have average casting. I would better go on Friday at 1 pm. Good choice for Penelope on Saturday, really waking up at 6/7 pm but garden pool for afternoon. For Sunday, 6 ens NL stuck to Aachen would be my first choice, or Gold but keep your values with You from robbery, or LR which have around 15 girls and didn t see any wow there. Some ex LR at GG but no wow seen. Bulgarian Turkish lovely Nelli now with silicon is at GG.I read you emphasizing on keeping valuables in ACAGold in your few reports. Even we have to be careful about lockers or keeping personal belongings like phone and wrist watch placing casually around? Is it a general comment about all saunas or specifically to ACAG?
I read you emphasizing on keeping valuables in ACAGold in your few reports. Even we have to be careful about lockers or keeping personal belongings like phone and wrist watch placing casually around? Is it a general comment about all saunas or specifically to ACAG?I heard they made new lockers for values close to ATM in entry, because seem robberies since a while in main lockers. I would not like somebody going to Gold after reading me and being robbed there. I don t know if because of this, but Gold don t seem at best. I would advice more brother Penelope but more a night club. GG should be better on Friday or Saturday than slow Sunday. Now never crowded and not many girls but the most beautiful club with most beautiful rooms I know in whole FKK land. Always going with same girl since end of February, even also Paula. Pol and Kira for attractive.
Delta Indigo
06-27-23, 09:18
Hello,
I prefer clubs where girls are full nude and I therefore dare ask the question. Could anyone list out the fully nude clubs in NRW? I know Babylon Elsdorf and Sauna Club Venus, Luder Land in Leverkusen and Luder Lounge in Dortmund are amongst them.
Penelope, Great Palace used to be one of them, but is no longer amongst them.
Any answers would be appreciated.
Could anyone list out the fully nude clubs in NRW? I know Babylon Elsdorf and Sauna Club Venus, Luder Land in Leverkusen and Luder Lounge in Dortmund are amongst them.I am not a NRW specialist, but Bernd's used to be fully nude. Rumours say the club is moving to another location in September (check thread).
I am not a NRW specialist, but Bernd's used to be fully nude. Rumours say the club is moving to another location in September (check thread).Yes Bernds and all RTC like Luderland. On last Saturday, discovered a so elegant Russian with red dress, shoes and nails, reminded me the song lady in red, so sexy erotic and wow in bed. To repeat on next week end.
The biggest disadvantage of renting a car you failed to mention is that you can't drink alcohol at all. I go to Germany to enjoy beer. Especially when it's free at some club (Samya etc.), there is no way to go there without alcohol.Au contraire. I never drink and drive in the USA but in Deutshland I enjoy same. Pulled over once for a passport check and I did not engage in soverign citizenship and presented identification and was let go without detainment.
Not much reports on AO club Luderland in Leverkusen. Website shows that new lady from Villa Vanilla (GG) joined the club.30 entry with full nude visuals look encouraging. Read as friendly atmosphere with 40/30 and 80/60.Not sure. Feel like better to be than going to Bernds. Don't know the LU. Eateries and Rewe nearby.Easy to reach from Cologne Hbf.
SethiatSpace
07-06-23, 10:43
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Not much reports on AO club Luderland in Leverkusen. Website shows that new lady from Villa Vanilla (GG) joined the club.30 entry with full nude visuals look encouraging. Read as friendly atmosphere with 40/30 and 80/60.Not sure. Feel like better to be than going to Bernds. Don't know the LU. Eateries and Rewe nearby.Easy to reach from Cologne Hbf.Maybe from Villa Venus, but I doubt from GG when many girls at GG get better business, being more busy than at Sharks.
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ThrowAway3602
07-07-23, 10:27
Hi there.
Will be traveling all over Germany in the next month. I believe Artemis and FKK Oase have the most total posts and reviews. But if you had to pick 5 to visit and go to, which ones would you say are must see places? Not just about the girls, but overall environment, fun, place to hang out and spend several hours in.
Hi there.
Will be traveling all over Germany in the next month. I believe Artemis and FKK Oase have the most total posts and reviews. But if you had to pick 5 to visit and go to, which ones would you say are must see places? Not just about the girls, but overall environment, fun, place to hang out and spend several hours in.For a very different guy like me, foreigner but not playing tourist, visiting weekly, GG is most interesting for me with 5 targets with 2 excellent, I don t know for 3 others but at least attractive images and my black dog friend. Number 2 is Freubad. Ch which is best club with girls in garden in Summer. Number 3 are Penelope for value for money and Sharks for potential to find a wow beyond little Romanians mass. 5 is Oase where can sometimes find a wow and wish to play NBA with my 1,95 french friend. I don t know Artemis. On my last visits on saturdays on this year, Globe was down for looks, not worthing 150/30 , but I loved my game with Carmen at Amesia where I moved from Globe.
For a very different guy like me, foreigner but not playing tourist, visiting weekly, GG is most interesting for me with 5 targets with 2 excellent, I don t know for 3 others but at least attractive images and my black dog friend. Number 2 is Freubad. Ch which is best club with girls in garden in Summer. Number 3 are Penelope for value for money and Sharks for potential to find a wow beyond little Romanians mass. 5 is Oase where can sometimes find a wow and wish to play NBA with my 1,95 french friend. I don t know Artemis. On my last visits on saturdays on this year, Globe was down for looks, not worthing 150/30 , but I loved my game with Carmen at Amesia where I moved from Globe.It means Babylon and Sixsense are in your your first five. We travelers are expecting the club ambience and the girls. Of course value for money and GFE. GG still not in list. My trip consisting all your clubs in your list of five. Still looking for an AO / RTC to feel a change.
It means Babylon and Sixsense are in your your first five. We travelers are expecting the club ambience and the girls. Of course value for money and GFE. GG still not in list. My trip consisting all your clubs in your list of five. Still looking for an AO / RTC to feel a change.6 NL could be sixth, more for the club than casting. Babylon is very average for me with too expensive entry when girls are not pretty enough, when 90% Sharks girls are not pretty enough for me and worst at Globe.
SethiatSpace
07-08-23, 01:47
Check out the Viagara forum for Redbull691. He is 100% reliable and will ship anywhere in Europe. Just have it shipped to your hotel.Thanks, I'll contact him. But it's my last day here in Germany, I doubt we can find a way for him to send them to me in Darmstadt on such short notice.
6 NL could be sixth, more for the club than casting. Babylon is very average for me with too expensive entry when girls are not pretty enough, when 90% Sharks girls are not pretty enough for me and worst at Globe.Train to Aachen, RE1,RE6 are having a change in between to catch a bus also to reach destination. I have enough time to reach there so will enjoy the journey. Wish to see the tourist spot Three Country point near to sixsense taking a break from the club in the afternoon.
Do all clubs permit to take a break of one to two hours after paying for a full entry? Wish to explore nearby tourist spots or happening places. I did it in World and Sharks before
For a very different guy like me, foreigner but not playing tourist, visiting weekly, GG is most interesting for me with 5 targets with 2 excellent, I don t know for 3 others but at least attractive images and my black dog friend. Number 2 is Freubad. Ch which is best club with girls in garden in Summer. Number 3 are Penelope for value for money and Sharks for potential to find a wow beyond little Romanians mass. 5 is Oase where can sometimes find a wow and wish to play NBA with my 1,95 french friend. I don t know Artemis. On my last visits on saturdays on this year, Globe was down for looks, not worthing 150/30 , but I loved my game with Carmen at Amesia where I moved from Globe.Some GG girls will go on holidays soon, when some are more busy than at Sharks, like I started, not my holidays yet, but my Summer sporty tour, so happy on my bicycle in my paradise and after 7 months almost sleeping, even starting under 40 degrees, but heart seemed really not bad, no tachycardie at night, I improve, good start in Iseran and wonderful Cormet Roselan to follow today, before driving to be at work, waiting for my Gran San Bernardino on next week end. This to warm up before August. Really great sport. Even my so fresh German escort doesn't compete for pleasure.
SethiatSpace
07-09-23, 17:38
For those who just want to enjoy a good massage with a an extra happy ending, there is one massage salon on the main street in that godofrsaken bahnhofsviertel.
Two of the salons have upped their price to 70 euros for 1 h (I remember it being 40 euros a long time ago) but one of them is still offering for 50 euros for one hour.
I was immediately greeted by a young Asian (no idea which country) with a decent look. She brought me straight to a room before I could confirm the 50 euros price. I asked in the room and she said yes, immediately followed by "70 if you want with happy ending". No beating around the Bush. I agreed, 20 extra for a handjob ain't bad. Massage was good, not the best I've had but I wouldn't expect it to be. Negative points as she didn't try to get me aroused from behind as most of them do, "accidentally" brushing over the balls. She asked me to flip over and she went straight to the deed with a bit of hot oil, which felt pleasant. She took her time, not rushing me to orgasm, which I appreciated. She positioned herself in a way which got me perplexed. I don't know what the rules are, if you're allowed to touch in general (she was fully dressed) or not so I just brushed very so slightly her leg but I wasn't planning on more. She didn't move. Once I came, she started the massage again on the front side, finishing with my head / hair. There is a clock in the room and she didn't cheat at all on the time, it was 1 h since I came in until I left.
Recommended if you're looking for a massage + little bit extra. The room was big and not hot like those damn Sharks rooms.
In this day and age, it's a little hard to extract cash from a machine without first transferring the money to a normal bank account. I have some money in bitcoin and some on paypal that I would prefer to use without taking that detour. So, I was just wondering if anyone here has ever used another means of payment in an FKK. I mean, other than cash?
In this day and age, it's a little hard to extract cash from a machine without first transferring the money to a normal bank account. I have some money in bitcoin and some on paypal that I would prefer to use without taking that detour. So, I was just wondering if anyone here has ever used another means of payment in an FKK. I mean, other than cash?In some clubs, You can pay with CC, usually with fee. At Oase, in Germany. In several in Austria and Switzerland.
YellowFin Tuna
07-16-23, 17:06
Hi,
Today is a good day for a look at the 4 factors that influence pleasure derived from friction in the penis-vagina interface.
The condom, my old enemy.
Couple of years ago a girlfriend told me I was using too small condoms. I had just on autopilot bought standard condoms, without ever giving it any thought. I realized she was right, they had indeed been difficult to put on and squeezed my cock white. Changing to bigger condoms made a bigger difference than I would have guessed. I still hate condoms but now they are only half as bad as they used to be. I have recently discovered a good brand of condoms called Mysize. I prefer condoms to be on the more spacious side and I found a size that works great for me. I first bought a trial pack from German amazon and later a large pack of the model I liked the best. Highly recommended.
Some girls use very thick condoms, without a jizz container at the top, which they pull down very hard. When the condom is put on that way, it can sometimes pull itself up slightly and drag some foreskin with it, the effect is having the head protected by both foreskin and thick rubber. Add too much lube and a big pussy and good luck feeling anything unless you are ultra horny. My own condoms largely solves this as they both have a container and are loose enough to be rearrange 'on cock' if need be.
The lube.
I kind of always thought the more the merrier when it comes to lube. I think that has been yet another stupid mistake of mine. Will be on guard against overlubrication as I move into future vaginas, although it is much harder to control than the condoms. If the girl really wants to empty a whole bottle in her flower, there is little to do to stop her. Scream "nooooooo" with a hysterical voice and fetch some napkins? I don't think so.
The cock.
Being as hard as possible is obviously very helpful, and for that horniness is needed. Unfortunately I am not 20 anymore so I am not as easily aroused anymore. Staying in shape, getting enough sleep and eating healthy food helps, so does not looking at porn. Unfortunately, I personally tend to get a little desensitized by the FKK environment after several hours of looking at tits and fucking the first time. Sort of sensory overload. Would be good to have a relax area off limits to girls, to rest my eyes a little. I guess it is always possible to leave the club and come back later though. Might try that some day. Would also be nice to check out the club's brunch breakfast.
The pussy.
I don't think there are any reliable indicators to predict pussy size of European women. Some slender young women can certainly have loose pussies. I am starting to think that lube might be a bigger factor than tightness in the pussy friction equation than I previously thought, so I might have confused the two factors. Will try to pay more attention during future sessions. Other than that, trial and error would be the way to go I guess.
Tuna.
Hi,
I have visited some FKK in Germany and Austria.
Is there anywhere else in Europe to try something like that system?
I mean, choose one among (almost) naked girls, negotiate and have a nice time in the same building.
My brief search says that Globe near Zurich is like FKK.
I could also get to know about places like Showpark and Neonclub in Prague where girls can be chosen (while they are not naked, as*I understand).
So the second question is.
If not exactly like FKK, which country / city can I try something like those*clubs?
Anywhere else in*Europe or other continents?
Hi there.
Will be traveling all over Germany in the next month. I believe Artemis and FKK Oase have the most total posts and reviews. But if you had to pick 5 to visit and go to, which ones would you say are must see places? Not just about the girls, but overall environment, fun, place to hang out and spend several hours in.Hi. I have not been to all fkks but ı have been to:
Sharks, oase, the palace, mainhattan, artemis, samya. Cologne, theüsseldorf oceans.
Sharks: the 1. One to visit. The biggest place in closed area and has a garden with a pool. You can share your time with girls at outside as well. The most number working girls are present in this place.
Artemis Berlin: must see 2. Place I think. Second biggest or third. A luxury, lavish design. There are two swimming pool, one is outside, the other is inside. The main bar is totaly the place to be. Mostly clients go to girls to meet and to go room.
Oase: again a big club. The garden as well. But I do not like this place. The approaching of girls is nok OK for me. Mans go to girls again.
The palace. At the centre of city. A lavish design wellcomes you. Loud music and dancing wg s makes a good atmosphere. The design of main bar is so classy.
Samya. Cologne: a small club if I compare with hessen clubs. Rooms are upstairs. Changing room and bathrooms are dowstairs. Main bar is not big. Mostly turkish music and visited by mostly turkish mans. Not a good place but at least one time you can visit.
Mainhattan: a frankfurt club. Small. Easy to reach by train from center. This is not the place to be I think.
Theüsseldorf ocean: not an FKK. A kind of place between a night club and laufhouse. Some girls sit with their daily dress and some of them with swimsuit. Some guys just sit with their normal daily clothes. A better options should be around theüsseldorf.
Sharks, artemis, the palace, oase.
YellowFin Tuna
07-17-23, 08:50
Hi there.
Will be traveling all over Germany in the next month. I believe Artemis and FKK Oase have the most total posts and reviews. But if you had to pick 5 to visit and go to, which ones would you say are must see places? Not just about the girls, but overall environment, fun, place to hang out and spend several hours in.Hi,
It seems like after covid the FKK scene has changed drastically. Also, the situation is evolving, with new pricing structures being tested etc. I could give my opinions on a bunch of clubs, but I fear my impressions are outdated. I think I just need to re-evaluate them all!
Sharks. Very good choice currently, a lot of girls on weekends, BBQ outside, garden. You will most likely not be disappointed.
Palace. Used to be a favorite of mine, small but luxurious, no garden, used to have very hot girls (note: this might well have changed, haven't been there in a long time).
Oase. Used to be great, huge garden, very nice ambience in general. Due to my most recent visits being complete disappointments I am reluctant to go again until I see some positive reports. The Oase thread seems to be completely dead. (note: haven't been there in a long time).
Artemis. Big club, not my favorite (note: haven't been there in a long time).
Living Room. Small place with tiny garden but used to have some nice girls and free beer, new owners now (note: haven't been there since before covid).
Tuna.
Hi,
I have visited some FKK in Germany and Austria.
Is there anywhere else in Europe to try something like that system?
I mean, choose one among (almost) naked girls, negotiate and have a nice time in the same building.
My brief search says that Globe near Zurich is like FKK.
I could also get to know about places like Showpark and Neonclub in Prague where girls can be chosen (while they are not naked, as*I understand).
So the second question is.
If not exactly like FKK, which country / city can I try something like those*clubs?
Anywhere else in*Europe or other continents?Sixens NL on German border stuck to Aachen. Many clubs in Switzerland, Austria. Best value for money is in Germany and for packages in Freubad. Ch. Swiss Dietikon. Ch can also be quite good value.
Sixens NL on German border stuck to Aachen. Many clubs in Switzerland, Austria. Best value for money is in Germany and for packages in Freubad. Ch. Swiss Dietikon. Ch can also be quite good value.Thanks for the information. Can I ask what you mean by "packages"?
Thanks for the information. Can I ask what you mean by "packages"?Til 2 pm, Freubad which is one of the most beautiful club in whole FKK land, propose entry + 1 hour sex for 199 . You can pay in € .
Hi,
I have visited some FKK in Germany and Austria.
Is there anywhere else in Europe to try something like that system?
I mean, choose one among (almost) naked girls, negotiate and have a nice time in the same building.
My brief search says that Globe near Zurich is like FKK.
I could also get to know about places like Showpark and Neonclub in Prague where girls can be chosen (while they are not naked, as*I understand).
So the second question is.
If not exactly like FKK, which country / city can I try something like those*clubs?
Anywhere else in*Europe or other continents?In regards to other continents, the thermas in Rio are similar to a FKK club without the constant nudity if I remember correctly. I used to like some of the strip clubs in Mexico. I don't even know if they have them anymore. They aren't mentioned in the forums where I used to go. It is kinda cool to watch the most talented stripper in a country dance and then have sex with her when no one thinks she is going to do it with you. I would take that over just sitting around with naked women on some occasions. They would grind on you and reach in your pants for 20 USD for a lap dance. Something like that is fun for me too. I am not too particular about my bordellos. Although the only ones I have felt comfortable eating dinner in are in Europe. They do some crazy things in some places that are sometimes worth the price of admission. I am not an expert. I am just saying that just because FKK clubs are the best does not mean you can't have a good time someplace else.
Hi,
Today is a good day for a look at the 4 factors that influence pleasure derived from friction in the penis-vagina interface.
The condom, my old enemy.
Couple of years ago a girlfriend told me I was using too small condoms. I had just on autopilot bought standard condoms, without ever giving it any thought. I realized she was right, they had indeed been difficult to put on and squeezed my cock white. Changing to bigger condoms made a bigger difference than I would have guessed. I still hate condoms but now they are only half as bad as they used to be. I have recently discovered a good brand of condoms called Mysize. I prefer condoms to be on the more spacious side and I found a size that works great for me. I first bought a trial pack from German amazon and later a large pack of the model I liked the best. Highly recommended.
Some girls use very thick condoms, without a jizz container at the top, which they pull down very hard. When the condom is put on that way, it can sometimes pull itself up slightly and drag some foreskin with it, the effect is having the head protected by both foreskin and thick rubber. Add too much lube and a big pussy and good luck feeling anything unless you are ultra horny. My own condoms largely solves this as they both have a container and are loose enough to be rearrange 'on cock' if need be.
The lube.
I kind of always thought the more the merrier when it comes to lube. I think that has been yet another stupid mistake of mine. Will be on guard against overlubrication as I move into future vaginas, although it is much harder to control than the condoms. If the girl really wants to empty a whole bottle in her flower, there is little to do to stop her. Scream "nooooooo" with a hysterical voice and fetch some napkins? I don't think so.
The cock.
Being as hard as possible is obviously very helpful, and for that horniness is needed. Unfortunately I am not 20 anymore so I am not as easily aroused anymore. Staying in shape, getting enough sleep and eating healthy food helps, so does not looking at porn. Unfortunately, I personally tend to get a little desensitized by the FKK environment after several hours of looking at tits and fucking the first time. Sort of sensory overload. Would be good to have a relax area off limits to girls, to rest my eyes a little. I guess it is always possible to leave the club and come back later though. Might try that some day. Would also be nice to check out the club's brunch breakfast.
The pussy.
I don't think there are any reliable indicators to predict pussy size of European women. Some slender young women can certainly have loose pussies. I am starting to think that lube might be a bigger factor than tightness in the pussy friction equation than I previously thought, so I might have confused the two factors. Will try to pay more attention during future sessions. Other than that, trial and error would be the way to go I guess.
Tuna.When I had trouble getting to orgasm I would always do the position where the woman is laying on her stomach with her legs together. I am sure you all know that already but it is worth mentioning. As far as pleasuring a penis goes, the most sensitive part is underneath the head. There is a name for the spot but I don't know it. Just as bit of curiousity, if your penis had an upward bend to it you would have an easier time getting an orgasm. It would not matter always about the size. I could be wrong about that but think about it. What is taking up more space, a curved banana or a perfectly straight sausage. The spincter of the vagina is at the opening also. Who really knows about such things?
Til 2 pm, Freubad which is one of the most beautiful club in whole FKK land, propose entry + 1 hour sex for 199 . You can pay in .I see. Thank you.
In regards to other continents, the thermas in Rio are similar to a FKK club without the constant nudity if I remember correctly. I used to like some of the strip clubs in Mexico. I don't even know if they have them anymore. They aren't mentioned in the forums where I used to go. It is kinda cool to watch the most talented stripper in a country dance and then have sex with her when no one thinks she is going to do it with you. I would take that over just sitting around with naked women on some occasions. They would grind on you and reach in your pants for 20 USD for a lap dance. Something like that is fun for me too. I am not too particular about my bordellos. Although the only ones I have felt comfortable eating dinner in are in Europe. They do some crazy things in some places that are sometimes worth the price of admission. I am not an expert. I am just saying that just because FKK clubs are the best does not mean you can't have a good time someplace else.Thanks for your answer. I am interested in clubs in Mexico. *Which cities in Mexico did you mean or which cities do you recommend?
As I briefly searched, Hong Kong club in Tijuana is well known. Those you have visited are similar to this club?
Manga Mio. De on tour at Globe.
Thanks for your answer. I am interested in clubs in Mexico. *Which cities in Mexico did you mean or which cities do you recommend?
As I briefly searched, Hong Kong club in Tijuana is well known. Those you have visited are similar to this club?I went to Cancun a few times 25 years ago. I would go to Chillie Willies and the the group of clubs for the locals called Vente Uno. The hotel workers saw me going every night and told me I should go to Rio instead because that is where they went and it was better. I followed their advice.
My memory of Cancun may be better than it actually was. There was one club called Climax. It had cages and they dropped balloons. It had rooms around a balcony for sex and little stalls on the first floor for lap dances.
I liked Rio for the ease of doing multiple woman at once and the women were warm and engaging. When I was in Rio they said Centaurus was the best in Brazil. That was a long time ago too. It was a much more international destination so there is no comparison.
I don't think anyone should follow my advise because I can like some ordinary women. I did a really good looking woman with calluses on her feet in Costa Rica. She may not have owned shoes. There was another woman who I think was pregnant who flirted with all the men in the hotel lobby and screamed during sex in my hotel room. That is fun for me.
ShinyCrazy
08-06-23, 22:22
I've been planning a week or so in the NRW area along the Rhine to Cologne, thesseldorf, Duisburg, Arnhem, then planning to swing over to the Kassel area for about a week. I would like to hit a club every other day if possible, with minimal backtracking and wasted driving.
Along the way headed north, I planned to hit: Babylon Elsdorf, Samya Cologne, Living Room Kaarst, Acapulco Gold, and finally Venus Hamminkeln.
When I get near Arnhem, it looks like the choices are limited to "private houses", like Casa Rossa, Coco Plaza, and Camilla Prive. Might not even be worth a stop.
Then I'll head east to Kassel and hit Sky Saunaclub Wuppertal and Penelope Castorp on the way.
When I'm over in the Kassel area, I was looking at Girls Haus in Brilon and Das Parkschloss Club in Marsberg, but I cannot find recent info. Does anyone have any ideas for the Kassel area?
On my way back west to Cologne, I planned to try Finca Erotica in Dierdorf and World in Giessen, but those clubs sound like they are dead. I would appreciate any suggestions in that general area. I don't want to go way out of my way, so maybe Oase (which I am very familiar with, but have not really been back since it returned to post pandemic normal) or Bernds (which I have never visited and is an icon, before it closes forever)? Or should I just head back to Samya or Babylon?
Among the NRW clubs, which one would be worth a second trip? Babylon?
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
I've been planning a week or so in the NRW area along the Rhine to Cologne, thesseldorf, Duisburg, Arnhem, then planning to swing over to the Kassel area for about a week. I would like to hit a club every other day if possible, with minimal backtracking and wasted driving.
Along the way headed north, I planned to hit: Babylon Elsdorf, Samya Cologne, Living Room Kaarst, Acapulco Gold, and finally Venus Hamminkeln.
When I get near Arnhem, it looks like the choices are limited to "private houses", like Casa Rossa, Coco Plaza, and Camilla Prive. Might not even be worth a stop.
Then I'll head east to Kassel and hit Sky Saunaclub Wuppertal and Penelope Castorp on the way.
When I'm over in the Kassel area, I was looking at Girls Haus in Brilon and Das Parkschloss Club in Marsberg, but I cannot find recent info. Does anyone have any ideas for the Kassel area?
On my way back west to Cologne, I planned to try Finca Erotica in Dierdorf and World in Giessen, but those clubs sound like they are dead. I would appreciate any suggestions in that general area. I don't want to go way out of my way, so maybe Oase (which I am very familiar with, but have not really been back since it returned to post pandemic normal) or Bernds (which I have never visited and is an icon, before it closes forever)? Or should I just head back to Samya or Babylon?
Among the NRW clubs, which one would be worth a second trip? Babylon?
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.Oase and World are in Hessen, not NRW. Finca is also not in NRW. Close to Koln, Samya, Babylon Elsdorf, Bernds for AO. Close to Dusseldorf, Penelope, Gold, Magnum. Many girls are on holidays on August.
Neurosynth
08-07-23, 11:36
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Any suggestions greatly appreciated.Did you intentionally leave out the RTC clubs where bareback is available?
Did you intentionally leave out the RTC clubs where bareback is available?Bernds may be the best for this, or some at Bab, compare to cheap but low level with uglies RTC.
ShinyCrazy
08-07-23, 12:37
Did you intentionally leave out the RTC clubs where bareback is available?From all that I have read, the bareback clubs have an older less attractive workforce. My favorite is young GFE with lots of DFK and BBBJ. Old and potentially ugly with good service is not appealing to me.
Neurosynth
08-08-23, 07:04
From all that I have read, the bareback clubs have an older less attractive workforce. My favorite is young GFE with lots of DFK and BBBJ. Old and potentially ugly with good service is not appealing to me.That's a bit harsh. First, AO providers at the RTCs typically include GFE / DFK / BBBJ at an affordable price. In addition, some of the women are in their 20's, most under 40. Plus they are frequently poor Romanians, so they are underfed and thin.
That's a bit harsh. First, AO providers at the RTCs typically include GFE / DFK / BBBJ at an affordable price. In addition, some of the women are in their 20's, most under 40. Plus they are frequently poor Romanians, so they are underfed and thin.GFE in 20 mn with a bad teeth, such a joke. We really don t all have same meaning for GFE, meaning for me feeling like with a normal girlfriend and FK or BBBJ are not enough to have this feeling. 30/20 is too expensive for such low quality. I much prefer real high level GFE like at Sharks on Saturday for 150/80 when she didn t have sex for 3 months and was so wet, or 200/90 with a now escorting, so rare German, when I pay for quality, not for just cheap.
ShinyCrazy
08-08-23, 10:57
That's a bit harsh. First, AO providers at the RTCs typically include GFE / DFK / BBBJ at an affordable price. In addition, some of the women are in their 20's, most under 40. Plus they are frequently poor Romanians, so they are underfed and thin.Ok. Now you have my attention. That sounds good. Which one should I try? Luder Lounge?
Ok. Now you have my attention. That sounds good. Which one should I try? Luder Lounge?We don t all have same eyes and level of demand for real GFE and level for sex. My advice for AO are Bernds and Bab for higher quality. When we are able, can sometimes in normal clubs, without even asking, just happening while passion. RTC are like China and Korea, just for cheap, not for quality.
Neurosynth
08-09-23, 10:07
Ok. Now you have my attention. That sounds good. Which one should I try? Luder Lounge?Prior to COVID I could have given you a detailed opinion, but I've not been to Germany again since! So I'm back here and at some German language AO sites. Bernd's is a good suggestion if you can get there before they close. Wish I could. Although AO is less certain there. I'm a fan of Dietzenbach near Frankfurt (ie not the NRW). In that area you can go to non-RTCs Sharks and Oase, and the RLD right by the trains. (You can train to Dietzenbach as well). For the NRW you may want to rent a car.
Prior to COVID I could have given you a detailed opinion, but I've not been to Germany again since! So I'm back here and at some German language AO sites. Bernd's is a good suggestion if you can get there before they close. Wish I could. Although AO is less certain there. I'm a fan of Dietzenbach near Frankfurt (ie not the NRW). In that area you can go to non-RTCs Sharks and Oase, and the RLD right by the trains. (You can train to Dietzenbach as well). For the NRW you may want to rent a car.Entry 50 after 8 pm at Bernds with foods and good drinks and I m pretty sure AO is with almost all girls for 50 extra. Some also propose at Bab for 50 . In RTC, must be almost blind to find one to pay for, when I would not go for free, when You see kind of misery through looks there.
I went to Cancun a few times 25 years ago. I would go to Chillie Willies and the the group of clubs for the locals called Vente Uno. The hotel workers saw me going every night and told me I should go to Rio instead because that is where they went and it was better. I followed their advice.
My memory of Cancun may be better than it actually was. There was one club called Climax. It had cages and they dropped balloons. It had rooms around a balcony for sex and little stalls on the first floor for lap dances.
I liked Rio for the ease of doing multiple woman at once and the women were warm and engaging. When I was in Rio they said Centaurus was the best in Brazil. That was a long time ago too. It was a much more international destination so there is no comparison.
I don't think anyone should follow my advise because I can like some ordinary women. I did a really good looking woman with calluses on her feet in Costa Rica. She may not have owned shoes. There was another woman who I think was pregnant who flirted with all the men in the hotel lobby and screamed during sex in my hotel room. That is fun for me.Thanks for sharing your experiences.
First time back to Europe in over 10 yearsish, but the horrible airline flights from Asia to the USA compell me to make an overnight stop in Frankfurt.
Arrive on a Thursday 6 am. The issue is, head to Oase or Sharks? I would like to arrive there at about noonish and just chill.
Now I remember the facilties at Oase were pretty cool, loads of places to snooze. I might do two or three sessions, am not at my age able to manage more then that.
Although I do remeber that in the Theartre in Oase, some skinny Romanian girl who was hot and *****y bet me she could make me cum despite my protestations, memories, memories. Great barbeque the and too.
So which one should I go to relax, snooze, eat and play? If the weather is good? If the weather sucks?
I can repay with thr real Bangkok info if necessary.
First time back to Europe in over 10 yearsish, but the horrible airline flights from Asia to the USA compell me to make an overnight stop in Frankfurt.
Arrive on a Thursday 6 am. The issue is, head to Oase or Sharks? I would like to arrive there at about noonish and just chill.
Now I remember the facilities at Oase were pretty cool, loads of places to snooze. I might do two or three sessions, am not at my age able to manage more then that.
Although I do remember that in the Theartre in Oase, some skinny Romanian girl who was hot and *****y bet me she could make me cum despite my protestations, memories, memories. Great barbeque the and too.
So which one should I go to relax, snooze, eat and play? If the weather is good? If the weather sucks?
I can repay with thr real Bangkok info if necessary.I think at both opening at 11 am, You can find prettier than Thai , from what showed me my French friend, when mostly worthing because cheap, like most in Asia, level of quality in par with cheap.
First time back to Europe in over 10 yearsish, but the horrible airline flights from Asia to the USA compell me to make an overnight stop in Frankfurt.
Arrive on a Thursday 6 am. The issue is, head to Oase or Sharks? I would like to arrive there at about noonish and just chill.
Now I remember the facilties at Oase were pretty cool, loads of places to snooze. I might do two or three sessions, am not at my age able to manage more then that.
Although I do remeber that in the Theartre in Oase, some skinny Romanian girl who was hot and *****y bet me she could make me cum despite my protestations, memories, memories. Great barbeque the and too.
So which one should I go to relax, snooze, eat and play? If the weather is good? If the weather sucks?
I can repay with thr real Bangkok info if necessary.This is what I do when I have long layover at Fra. Store your luggage at airport (there is luggage storage on arrival floor and about E8 per 24 hrs?) catch train to Friedrichdolf (you need to make change at Frankfurt main train station). When you get out at Friedrichdolf station (last stop). You can either take taxi (E15 or less) or Walk to Oase. I like walking as you just had long flight from Asia, need to get.
Blood moving. It will be 40 minutes walk but it will be fun if the weather is good. Once you are at Oase, there will be a quite room that you can take nap (girls are not allowed to go there). Of Course, there will be food, sauna, swimming pool, lounge chairs. Girls quantity will not as much as Sharks, but you will see 20-50 girls easily. Enjoy your time and have fun.
First time back to Europe in over 10 yearsish, but the horrible airline flights from Asia to the USA compell me to make an overnight stop in Frankfurt.
Arrive on a Thursday 6 am. The issue is, head to Oase or Sharks? I would like to arrive there at about noonish and just chill.
Now I remember the facilties at Oase were pretty cool, loads of places to snooze. I might do two or three sessions, am not at my age able to manage more then that.
Although I do remeber that in the Theartre in Oase, some skinny Romanian girl who was hot and *****y bet me she could make me cum despite my protestations, memories, memories. Great barbeque the and too.
So which one should I go to relax, snooze, eat and play? If the weather is good? If the weather sucks?
I can repay with thr real Bangkok info if necessary.I suggest you go to Oase, instead of Sharks. It is much easier to rest in Oase. Sharks is a bit noisier. I have had experiences in both, trying to nap.
I suggest you go to Oase, instead of Sharks. It is much easier to rest in Oase. Sharks is a bit noisier. I have had experiences in both, trying to nap.I think, on Summer, better to sleep in Sharks garden and easier to reach fast from airport.
I think at both opening at 11 am, You can find prettier than Thai , from what showed me my French friend, when mostly worthing because cheap, like most in Asia, level of quality in par with cheap.Not all in Asia is cheap LOL.
I think, on Summer, better to sleep in Sharks garden and easier to reach fast from airport.Like the stoned idiot I am, I forgot to mention that I have an overnight stay. Thus, I get in at 6:00 am, and don't leave till 2:00 pm The next day. Since I'm going to the States, I probably have to get to the airport at like 11:00 am Although I have no luggage at all.
So most of my action will be between noonish and maybe 1:00 am Before I pass out.
Now you guys put out some great reports and you have your favorite girls and etc, but it's almost like I'm more concerned about the facilities and the relaxation factor. When I was last over your side of the world, and I was in Oase they had this giant hot tub where I spend hours chilling and chatting with my fellow attendees and even watching football while hot skinny chicks with robo boobs strolled around. Again a lot is weather dependent, but how is the outdoors at Palace vis a vis Oase. I'm going to need a hotel room too, the last time I went there I stayed in bad Homburg just to have something to do when I needed a break. That was a cool little town. I see there are rooms everywhere around both places, any favorites? Just a place to poop and sleep.
I don't lick toes.
Like the stoned idiot I am, I forgot to mention that I have an overnight stay. Thus, I get in at 6:00 am, and don't leave till 2:00 pm The next day. Since I'm going to the States, I probably have to get to the airport at like 11:00 am Although I have no luggage at all.
So most of my action will be between noonish and maybe 1:00 am Before I pass out.
Now you guys put out some great reports and you have your favorite girls and etc, but it's almost like I'm more concerned about the facilities and the relaxation factor. When I was last over your side of the world, and I was in Oase they had this giant hot tub where I spend hours chilling and chatting with my fellow attendees and even watching football while hot skinny chicks with robo boobs strolled around. Again a lot is weather dependent, but how is the outdoors at Palace vis a vis Oase. I'm going to need a hotel room too, the last time I went there I stayed in bad Homburg just to have something to do when I needed a break. That was a cool little town. I see there are rooms everywhere around both places, any favorites? Just a place to poop and sleep.
I don't lick toes.No outdoor at Palace, but at Mainhattan, Sharks and Oase. More girls at Sharks than at Oase, but Oase casting may be more attractive around noon.
Like the stoned idiot I am, I forgot to mention that I have an overnight stay. Thus, I get in at 6:00 am, and don't leave till 2:00 pm The next day. Since I'm going to the States, I probably have to get to the airport at like 11:00 am Although I have no luggage at all.
So most of my action will be between noonish and maybe 1:00 am Before I pass out.
Now you guys put out some great reports and you have your favorite girls and etc, but it's almost like I'm more concerned about the facilities and the relaxation factor. When I was last over your side of the world, and I was in Oase they had this giant hot tub where I spend hours chilling and chatting with my fellow attendees and even watching football while hot skinny chicks with robo boobs strolled around. Again a lot is weather dependent, but how is the outdoors at Palace vis a vis Oase. I'm going to need a hotel room too, the last time I went there I stayed in bad Homburg just to have something to do when I needed a break. That was a cool little town. I see there are rooms everywhere around both places, any favorites? Just a place to poop and sleep.
I don't lick toes.There is no outdoor area at Palace, Mainhatten has an outdoor area if you need to visit an FKK in the city. I think you were referring to the hot tub indoors outside the restaurant, this has been filled in now. It never appealed to me after seeing a girl give a guy a hand job in it.
Who's got the best Food. I want to eat my $75 worth.
Who's got the best Food. I want to eat my $75 worth.Pfff .... Short answer: None of them. Eat elsewhere.
Long answer:
What kind of food are you looking for?
- If you like egg and bacon in some form, then all clubs provide this from 12 to 3 pm at least. Plus ham and cheese and jam, tea and coffee. Fruits.
- Sharks used to have ok-ish Chinese food.
- Oase has pizzas from their own stone oven (from 5- 6 pm to midnight at least). They also advertise a XXL Brunch every Saturday and Sunday (see website for details).
- Mainhattan used to have the best chef a few years ago, but I am not up to date.
- All the clubs have cheap BBQ outdoors in the evenings if the weather is good. Otherwise there will be a poor buffet indoor. Most salads/vegetables destroyed by vinegar German style. Keep expectations low.
Usually no food between 3.30 and 5 pm (-ish). Probably nothing from opening till noon, and limited options the last couple of hours before closing.
All clubs save on food in summertime (due to low attendance). Let's hope it improves in September.
Pfff .... Short answer: None of them. Eat elsewhere.
Long answer:
What kind of food are you looking for?
- If you like egg and bacon in some form, then all clubs provide this from 12 to 3 pm at least. Plus ham and cheese and jam, tea and coffee. Fruits.
- Sharks used to have ok-ish Chinese food.
- Oase has pizzas from their own stone oven (from 5- 6 pm to midnight at least). They also advertise a XXL Brunch every Saturday and Sunday (see website for details).
- Mainhattan used to have the best chef a few years ago, but I am not up to date.
- All the clubs have cheap BBQ outdoors in the evenings if the weather is good. Otherwise there will be a poor buffet indoor. Most salads/vegetables destroyed by vinegar German style. Keep expectations low.
Usually no food between 3.30 and 5 pm (-ish). Probably nothing from opening till noon, and limited options the last couple of hours before closing.
All clubs save on food in summertime (due to low attendance). Let's hope it improves in September.I love it. Any type of western food even smothered in vinegar is fine with me.
I think I've pretty much made up my mind to go to sharks as it will be the most convenient on a one-day layover. There is a hotel about a klick away called the Dormero and that's 300 m from the darmstad North station.
So my plan would be to arrive at 6:00 am, and by the time I clear customs and immigration It's probably like 7:30 ish. I only have a small backpack, so I was thinking of taking the train to darmstadt North. On the other hand I could be lazy and just take a cab.
So before I make further plans, anybody have a recommendation for a savagely tasty breakfast in the area of where I'm going to be.
I assume that once I check into sharks, probably at around opening time, I can come and go as I please. Like head back to the hotel if necessary, etc.
I assume that one merely needs to get on telegram to find some herbal supplements? Living in legal / semillegal areas has spoiled me. Please don't tell me a park or a train station.
Anything else I need to know? Oh and I assume the girls don't discriminate against old geezers like me? I'm not crippled or wearing a diaper just smoke a lot of weed and look like a relic from 1968.
Are there any clubs where the girls are particularly friendly, where they touch you and allow casual touching while waiting around, without committing to a session?
I'll be in Frankfurt, so I'm most interested in opportunities around there.
Are there any clubs where the girls are particularly friendly, where they touch you and allow casual touching while waiting around, without committing to a session?
I'll be in Frankfurt, so I'm most interested in opportunities around there.Not around Frankfurt, but at Babylon Elsdorf or Bernds around Koln. Not so far with a car.
Are there any clubs where the girls are particularly friendly, where they touch you and allow casual touching while waiting around, without committing to a session?
I'll be in Frankfurt, so I'm most interested in opportunities around there.What a strange question, and maybe classified as stupid too. If you were a girl would you want to be treated in this manner? If a girl is touching a guy then a light and brief feel of the ass should be the limit, prolonged touching and in different areas will inevitably result in the girl having a reasonable assumption the guy is going to book. Is that what you want to do then, just go to a club and fondle the girls without having any sessions? Come on man, the girls are there to make a living. My apologies if I mis-read your post.
What a strange question, and maybe classified as stupid too. If you were a girl would you want to be treated in this manner? If a girl is touching a guy then a light and brief feel of the ass should be the limit, prolonged touching and in different areas will inevitably result in the girl having a reasonable assumption the guy is going to book. Is that what you want to do then, just go to a club and fondle the girls without having any sessions? Come on man, the girls are there to make a living. My apologies if I mis-read your post.Well, some guys enjoy some quality "couch time" before going to the room. I understand that used to be a thing in FKKs in the very beginning, but it long ago vanished. That's one of the great things about Brazil. Lots of DFKing, groping, and other couch time goodies can still be had before going to the room. It's a cultural thing in Brazil I think. But let's give the OP the benefit of the doubt, and not assume that he only wants to fondle the girls without committing to a room. Maybe it's some couch time that he wants. I would just say though that if you know you're not going to take the girl then keep it brief and light if offered. This is true even for Brazil. As you say, the girls offer us their bodies to make money.
I remember one at LR who made big business companionship in couch, often not even going to room, no fuck, with some clients. One at Sharks also, having a client to drink champagne in couch for hours.
Well, some guys enjoy some quality "couch time" before going to the room. I understand that used to be a thing in FKKs in the very beginning, but it long ago vanished. That's one of the great things about Brazil. Lots of DFKing, groping, and other couch time goodies can still be had before going to the room. It's a cultural thing in Brazil I think. But let's give the OP the benefit of the doubt, and not assume that he only wants to fondle the girls without committing to a room. Maybe it's some couch time that he wants. I would just say though that if you know you're not going to take the girl then keep it brief and light if offered. This is true even for Brazil. As you say, the girls offer us their bodies to make money.Yes, 10+ years ago there was more 'couch time' than now. That said I witnessed and heard of instances where the guy was making out, kissing, groping etc for long periods of time and then saying "maybe later" to the girls, understandable they girls were livid. Some guys just keep pushing their luck. Yes, I know girls aren't perfect either.
Yes, 10+ years ago there was more 'couch time' than now. That said I witnessed and heard of instances where the guy was making out, kissing, groping etc for long periods of time and then saying "maybe later" to the girls, understandable they girls were livid. Some guys just keep pushing their luck. Yes, I know girls aren't perfect either.Yeah, a few times I had girls try to tell me I was obligated to take them to the room because they took the time to stand there and talk to me for a bit. I just laughed and said I understood they were there to make money and were free to leave at anytime in search of business. And then some even had the gall to ask for a tip! Laughed in their face and gave a firm "no". Damn straight the girls aren't perfect.
I remember one at LR who made big business companionship in couch, often not even going to room, no fuck, with some clients. One at Sharks also, having a client to drink champagne in couch for hours.There is a girl; some one told me she is a serbian one, just drink even she is alone or with a guy who pays for drinks. Even she is alone, she drinks alchool and do not go to rooms for hours. ı think we speak about the same girl. She wears something like fishnet or close thing. A different style of a woman.
What do you guys think is the appropriate age to retire from the hobby? I know some on this site have fessed up to being in their 70's. When is the right time to hang it all up so to speak? Any thoughts?
There is a girl; some one told me she is a serbian one, just drink even she is alone or with a guy who pays for drinks. Even she is alone, she drinks alchool and do not go to rooms for hours. ı think we speak about the same girl. She wears something like fishnet or close thing. A different style of a woman.No, the one at Sharks is lovely Romanian who always propose me to go to room to fuck. No champagne in couch with a bad French like me.
What do you guys think is the appropriate age to retire from the hobby? I know some on this site have fessed up to being in their 70's. When is the right time to hang it all up so to speak? Any thoughts?I think time is when You are not able to get pleasure anymore, when pleasure is not only emptying balls. Same for frustrated followers who waste their money, but are not able to get same pleasure, they should better save their money and do something else, when not able with girls.
What do you guys think is the appropriate age to retire from the hobby? I know some on this site have fessed up to being in their 70's. When is the right time to hang it all up so to speak? Any thoughts?I'm nowhere near the stage but I suppose when you can't get a stiffy, even with the aid of ED meds?
PaulInZurich
09-05-23, 13:35
What do you guys think is the appropriate age to retire from the hobby? I know some on this site have fessed up to being in their 70's. When is the right time to hang it all up so to speak? Any thoughts?Why retire as long as you have fun?
Personally I go to clubs to have sex, but I hear there are people who find "intimate emotions" in brothels.
Why retire as long as you have fun?
Personally I go to clubs to have sex, but I hear there are people who find "intimate emotions" in brothels.I think you are limited to play only with your size. We should not experience same.
Why retire as long as you have fun? Personally I go to clubs to have sex, but I hear there are people who find "intimate emotions" in brothels.The way I see it, we were all born out of some pussy. So, we may as well die up in some too. Hell, I'll die up in that ass! Hahahaha!
ShinyCrazy
09-15-23, 06:25
Here is my mega post for a six club tour of the NRW area plus Oase. TL / DR: The FKK Club system is dying and many of the girls are sex robots. FKK Babylon and Samya are the exceptions.
Impressions of FKK Babylon Saunaclub in Elsdorf:
The club is clean and medium sized and geared for a local crowd of German retirees, not international business travelers. It has an outdoor pool and indoor sauna and hot tub / jacuzzi. Reception is straight ahead, then you backtrack to the entrance where the lockers and showers are located. Wallets or valuables don't have a separate locker. Tons of little towels available in a rack opposite reception for drying off and one large towel given to you when you pay the entrance of 70 Euro for covering up. No robes. Girls are naked. They charge 60 Euro for the first half hour and 50 Euro more for each additional half hour. Minimal discussion of up charges. The lineup was actually pretty decent, with relatively few heavily tattooed girls. A good number of natural breasts. Pretty much 95% Romanian, like most clubs. Reasonably young and attractive girls. No very old or very ugly girls. One group of younger, fresher girls with minimal tattoos and no silicone were sitting together in the smoking area. None of them spoke English, which is pretty unusual. Two girls wandering around were too overweight to call voluptuous. Probably around 20 girls. Saw several blowjobs in public, but didn't see any sex in public. Very small dining area. Food was spotty. Often I would be standing behind an overweight German who was scraping the steam tray bare and I was left without even gravy or crumbs. I would say the food was club average, meaning edible, but unacceptable if it were a restaurant. Attendance on a Saturday afternoon was about 4:1 guys to girls. The guys were all ethnic German and skewed pretty old. I didn't see any Turks, for example. I didn't hear any English, except when speaking to the girls. The ratio of guys to girls was terrible, yet I never had to wait for a girl. Seemed like many guys were there to quietly drink beer and watch soccer. It is always funny to me when a "club" is playing dance music and has party lights and there are naked girls and the girls are faced with a roomful of sedate overweight Germans staring at a TV. If the FKK clubs were in Latin America, everyone would be talking and laughing and dancing and hooting at the girls. Instead, it feels like a motor vehicle registration office. It's not bad for relaxing, it's just funny. Had rooms with 2 Romanian girls, one was named Tanja. She had well done breast implants. I don't like implants and I didn't notice until she was upside down for the BBBJ and I could see the scars. Pretty lackluster session with no GFE feeling and no real passion. Average acceptable Romanian service. The other girl, whose name I can't remember, was worse and tried to block me from entering her pussy deeply and refused to really kiss. I left the room without cumming. It was that bad. Where is the reputation for service? I thought Babylon was supposed to have great service. I was searching out a replacement, but couldn't really find another girl that inspired me. Then I saw an African girl named Iman from Mali. Attractive face and decent body. Great engaging personality. Perfect English. Top notch service. Great passionate kissing, enthusiasm for DATY, great soft deep BBBJ with unprompted stroking of my anus, and enthusiastic deep FS. 10/10 for service. At this point, I decided to ditch the Romanian girls and try another African girl. This time the girl was Chayna from Rwanda with a huge Afro and she was big fleshy voluptuous girl, unlike my usual favorites. She offered rimming for an extra 30, I accepted and she went to town. Full on rimming for a solid 5-10 minutes. Basically another 10/10 performer. Based on these two girls, the FKK clubs need to start hiring African girls, or maybe I need to look into traveling to Africa. Getting to Babylon is not easy and essentially requires a rental car. The public transportation from Cologne is spotty and requires taking a train to Horrem, then trying to take a bus to nearby Babylon and walking, or taking an expensive taxi, all of which was time consuming and wasn't as straightforward as I thought it would be. It would have been much faster to rent a car from Cologne airport. Also, when I requested a taxi at Babylon to get back to my hotel, the Babylon reception, which barely spoke any English, acted as if that was a tall order and I would be lucky if they could find one. Uber didn't work. No drivers in this rural part of Germany, and apparently the German government has tried to crush Uber. In a nutshell, rent a car.
For the international traveler who is looking to mix a few FKK visits into their holiday, this might be a club worth checking out. It is much smaller than Sharks or Oase, but it is a very well done medium sized local club. It is difficult to access via public transportation, and it is not located near any other tourist attractions. If you were traveling with a wingman and renting a car, then I would definitely include Babylon. There is a website that lists the girls in attendance at Babylon, but the pics are scrubbed of tattoos. If you look at the pictures and add some large tattoos for about half the girls, then you have a decent idea of what to expect. Of note, the ages of the girls are listed and I was surprised to see that both African girls were significantly older than I would have guessed.
https://www.saunaclubs.org/huren/club/saunaclub-babylon.1/
Later in my trip, after visiting 5 other FKK clubs, I decided to return to FKK Babylon. As you'll see in my other reviews, my experience at the other clubs was pretty disappointing. I returned to Babylon because it was the best of the six clubs. Not necessarily the best facilities, although they were very good. Definitely not the best food. The girls at Babylon gave the best service. That is why I returned. For my second visit, I started with Nadja, a Romanian with long dark hair with white highlights braided into corn rows. She had some acne scarring. I didn't have high hopes, but she was the girl that really confirmed my choice to return. Good kissing, responsive to DATY, great soft BBBJ, followed by excellent wide open covered vaginal sex. She was a home run. Given that experience, I started looking again at girls I had overlooked. My next choice was Katerina, a tiny Bulgarian girl with puffy nipples and big tits for her size. Again, great kissing, very active and appreciative during DATY and again wide open welcoming wet covered vaginal sex. A second home run. Lastly, I chose Sara, a girl who had some negative comments on the lineup link that I posted above. I didn't know that until later. She spoke about 5 words in English. Sara has cafe au lait skin with a gap between her two front teeth and a freckle below one breast and no tattoos that I can remember. I had caught her eye and she seemed very interested in me. Later, she sat in the jacuzzi and kept looking me in the eye, but remember that she couldn't speak English basically at all. Clearly, she wanted to go to the room with me, but it would be awkward since we couldn't communicate. Well, it wasn't awkward. It was awesome. I think she was attracted to me more than just attracted to my wallet. She gave a 10/10 GFE experience from start to finish. The best kissing from any girl in 6 clubs. After my experiences in the other clubs, I was ready to write about the death of the FKK experience, and it certainly is dying in most clubs, but Babylon still has those fresh girls that haven't turned into robots, the experience I remember from when I first started going to FKK clubs 15 years ago.
For what it is worth, I have found that if the girl is kissing well and responding with enthusiasm early, I will then tell her that I want to go slow and stay an hour in the room. That worked well at Babylon.
Impressions of FKK Samya in Cologne:
The club is large and becomes a party in the evening. It is clean and attracts a younger bearded crowd of men, presumably Turks / Muslims. The girls tended to be younger than the average in FKK clubs. They are currently under construction, so most of the lockers are located down a skinny hallway. The showers are a small area downstairs along with the sauna and steam room. The food was club average, edible but nothing special. Reception is behind the building, so if you arrive walking from the street, you have to walk to the right of the building to the parking lot, where you will find the entrance. In the main bar area, there is an elevated stage and in the evening, the music switched to a DJ and the girls would dance along with guests. It was the exact opposite of the FKK Babylon scene with its fat and sedate old German men. The atmosphere at FKK Samya was a lively dance party. Even the older German guys were reasonably physically fit and got up on the stage, in fact the best "act" was a German guy in his 70's with a moustache who had brought crazy props for his dance performance, including a stuffed animal, a cane, colored glasses, and multiple layers of shirts that he stripped off. It was totally amateur, but funny.
The entrance was 70 Euro and the girls were asking 50 Euro per half hour. That includes no real kissing only chaste pecking, covered blowjob, and covered vaginal sex. Better service requires negotiation. I found girls ready to accept 150 Euro / hour for real GFE, with French kissing and BBBJ. Nonetheless, I had 3 girls who promised good service, and only one actually provided good service. The first girl had a dark shoulder length bob and wore glasses. She had large dragon-like tattoos on her back. She told me she was 19 years old. She barely kissed and only became pleasant after prolonged DATY. I had watched her interact with other guests and girls and she seemed to have a pleasant personality, but I didn't get much of that in the room. The session ended fine, but it was nothing special. Performance was 5/10. The second girl was named Sara, had blonde hair and almost no tattoos, only a subtle one on her wrist with a name and a crown. She said she was 21 years old. She was very sweet and pleasant and had a beautiful natural body and small beautiful breasts. She kissed with decent enthusiasm and opened herself wide for deep vaginal sex. Would rate her performance around a 7-8/10. The last girl was a real disaster. I believe her name was Isabella. She wasn't naked in the club, and so I suffered a nasty surprise in the room. In fact, none of the girls are naked in Samya. A few were topless. This girl's body was a real disappointment once the clothes came off. Her performance was even worse. She had sad looking saggy tiny breasts and a baby tummy. She claimed she loved to kiss and have her pussy eaten. In the room, she did neither. I stood up after 5 minutes and left the room. Performance 1/10. I will never understand this. If I were her and I knew that my body would be a disappointment, I would work doubly hard to make the customer happy and leave raving about my service. Instead, the crummy body matches the crummy service. Overall, the club was lively and fun, but two of three girls were disappointing. I was planning to have 4 girls but after the third one, I was disgruntled and left the club. I guess that at FKK Samya, things are back to pre-COVID normal, meaning you have to do your due diligence and closely vet every girl and make certain the bare minimum list of services (kissing with tongue, pussy eating, blow job without condom) is agreed to before you go to the room. I have been spoiled by Thailand and Spain and Colombia, where I haven't had to be so clinical before the act.
Impressions of Acapulco Gold. Ratingen.
Small club with absolute minimum of wellness facilities, basically just a small sauna. No pool, no jacuzzi. There is a terrace on the roof, but no way to cool off. The receptionist was pleasant and spoke decent English. Entrance was 30 Euro. Time with the girls is 50 Euro per half hour. One of the girls was enlisted to give a tour, which was pretty funny since there wasn't much to see. The first floor has a shower and bathroom for the men. The shower has a slight musty smell. The bathroom has a slight urine smell. The parking lot and outdoor entrance way was strewn with bits of trash and debris. I parked and stepped on an empty blister pack of Cialis as I walked in the parking lot. As you walk past the showers on the left (with an entrance "decorated" with metal chains serving as a curtain) you pass the cinema playing porn on the right and enter the main room with sofas and TVs playing music videos. Soft drinks are available as self-serve from a soda fountain, which I think all clubs should have. Leaving the main room leads you to a sunroom for smoking and the entrance to the kitchen / dining area. Only hard boiled eggs, cheese, and sliced ham and rolls were available. Apparently hot food is served later in the evening. The lineup was fairly meager. I counted 12 girls and probably 20-25 guys. It was midday midweek. It was the be team: Hard edged stick thin 20 year old Romanian girls who were looking angry as they sharply spoke to each other in Romanian and then a few Spanish-speaking girls, including one from Dominican Republic and one from Colombia. The Latinas were older, minimum late 30's. Pamela, the girl who gave my tour, was a pleasant buxom blonde, likely in her thirties also. She had been mentioned in an ISG post recently warning everyone to stay clear, so I did. As I looked around the room, no young mongers. Basically, the place seemed like a nursing home with elderly Germans wearing bathrobes and slippers with vacant stares wandering around aimlessly and middle-aged black haired "nurses" with black eye makeup in revealing outfits. I skipped the Romanians and I went with Caramela, the girl from the Dominican Republic. DR girls are usually passionate and sexy. She was good with light FK and deep wet vaginal sex. Excellent service if she had been Romanian, but only average for a Latina. After patiently waiting a few hours to find a suitable second girl, I decided that the lineup was just too blah to bother. Left after only spending 80 Euro. Crazy. Don't think I've ever left an FKK club without even spending 100 Euro. Yes the entrance was inexpensive and the girls' rate is inexpensive, but I was hoping for something more and had plenty of money to spend. I wasn't looking for a bargain, I was looking for fun. Looking at their clientele, I worry about the future of FKK clubs in Germany. So many clients who are literally a few years away from assisted living. This is not a club for international business travelers looking for a peak luxury experience, in fact, after COVID I'm not sure if any club meets that target other than maybe Sharks. It's sad. I realize that Acapulco Gold is a small club, but it just seems down at the heel and almost depressing with trash strewn all around the entrance, not worth traveling to experience.
Impressions of Club Venus, Hamminkeln.
This an absolutely beautiful medium sized club that feels brand new with great clean facilities. Two large jacuzzis on the large patio with about 6-8 outdoor cabins for sex and lots of chaise longue. Nice medium sized sauna and another jacuzzi inside. The rooms are clean, and have vinyl covers on the beds and bottles of disinfectant spray, so I'm assuming they are actually cleaned regularly. Entrance is 60 Euro, which includes 9 Euro towards the a la carte menu. There is no buffet. The food was actually pretty good for club food. I would say among the best I've had in a club, which is a pretty low bar. You order from the menu, then they give you a transponder which beeps when the food is ready. They place the food in a tiny dining area down a hallway across from reception. The showers were clean. Everything seemed very new and well maintained. It is a difficult club to visit without a car and taxi service is very spotty. The receptionist didn't even have a number to call for a taxi. Thankfully, another employee had the number of "Dickman" taxi. Yes. I'm not kidding. Google it and scribble down the number, because you will need it if you don't bring a car. Guess all of the guests drive themselves. I would say of all of the small and medium sized clubs that I've visited over the years (and that would be about a dozen or more), this is one of the very nicest. They obviously hired an interior designer and the lighting and wallpaper and decorations were all top notch. The only similar "classy" and clean and "designer" club I can think of is FKK Sakura. Among medium sized clubs, Babylon in Elsdorf also has nice facilities, but it would take second place to Sakura and Venus. The other mongers were relatively young and fit and pretty much entirely ethnic German. The club was more energetic than many small clubs. The girls would take turns jumping up and dancing sexily in the birdcage in front of the bar, and the bartender would turn on the smoke machine. It was actually pretty entertaining. The TVs were playing some gorgeous solo softcore stripping from a website called:
https://www.stasyq.com
It was very classy and arousing, unlike the hardcore crap that FKK Oase always plays in the hallways and in the lounge, which was more of a sensory overload and gross turnoff. If you want hardcore porn, Venus has a cinema downstairs for that, but it doesn't intrude on the intentional sensuality of the main part of the club. Overall, everything in the club was "on point". That's the good part. The bad part is that the girls were disappointing. I stayed throughout the afternoon and into the evening. There were simply not enough hot girls. I counted 10 girls and about 25 guys. Only a few of the girls were naked or topless, but most were wearing bras and panties, and only a few of the girls really appealed. They were charging 50 Euro per half hour and that included FK, BBBJ, DATY, and covered FS, so the pricing was very reasonable. I confirmed that pricing and services with the girls beforehand. I chose a Bulgarian named Mia, who had a pleasant personality and face, not one of the pissed off faces with vertical wrinkles between the brows that so many of the Romanian girls sport. She was a 8/10 performer, and I was very happy. Her tits were deflated and a little wrinkly, which was a disappointment when she removed the bra, but otherwise, she was a very good girlfriend experience. I tend to have much more luck with sensual GFE sex with Bulgarians than Romanians. No idea why. The pickings were slim but, for my next girl, I had found a pretty blonde girl with glasses and gorgeous natural breasts, and waited for her to finish a room, then watched her leave the building in her street clothes very early in the evening. Damn. No idea why she left during prime time. That left me with not much to choose from. I selected the one girl who was naked most of the time. She had no obvious tattoos and very pretty smallish natural breasts. Body type perfect for me. A Romanian girl with long black hair with the most pleasant face of all of the Romanian girls, which isn't saying much. Her name was Bianca. Was not a good choice. Started to kiss her and sensually stroke her body and you could tell she felt like my foreplay was just wasting her time. You could tell that from the moment we entered the room that it would be a race to fuck and get out of the room ASAP. At this point, I will mention to the ISG reader that I am scrupulously clean, very polite and gentle, and many girls mistake me for a celebrity. So, in other words, she's not trying to hurry because I'm disgusting or fat or stinky or have bad breath or whatever. She is just a scam artist. I started to lick and very lightly suck on her nipples, and she immediately complained that it hurt too much. I started soft wet sensual DATY, which most girls love. The Bulgarian girl clearly loved it, for example. And why wouldn't you love it? You get paid to just lie there and enjoy? Instead, after about 5 minutes, Bianca said "that's enough of that", and proceeded to push me away and wiped her pussy with a paper towel so she could get started on the blow job (and finish me off as quickly as possible). At this point, my dick was super soft. Due to her attitude, I was turned off nearly to the point of anger, which means my body refuses to make an erection. She didn't deserve an erection. She sucked long enough to get me hard, slipped on a condom and it was all over in the blink of an eye. Wasted time. Wasted money. Wasted sperm. If I had known, I would have just repeated with the Bulgarian. She was sensual and sexy, despite the less perfect body. At this point, I decided that the remaining girls were not worth it, so I spoke with the receptionist about getting a taxi. Took some awkward searching for a phone number of a taxi company and waiting for 20 minutes. My hotel was 5 miles away on empty rural roads. Took less than 10 minutes to drive. The fare was 35 Euro. Ouch.
In summary, beautiful facilities, among the very best for a club of this size, with a disappointing lineup of girls. Whether it is post COVID or some other factor, all of the clubs seem to have plenty of guys and only a meager number of lower quality girls. I think the clubs should start recruiting in Latin America and Africa. Those girls know service. I guess the stumbling block is a work visa, but a half dozen Colombian girls in any club would wipe the floor with the Romanian girls. Experience one room with a Colombian or Brazilian girl and most guys would be waiting in line for the South Americans and wouldn't even talk to the Romanians. Maybe the price of 50 Euro per half hour is keeping the prettier girls out of the business? I always felt that keeping the price at 50 Euros for well over 10 years was foolish. This is why the girls started offering crap service for the 50 Euro price, then adding DFK and BBBJ as an "extra" and meanwhile so many of the very best girls disappeared from the brothels and FKK clubs into the online independent sex work world. In my opinion, an FKK session should be great sex. That means a bare minimum of DFK with tongue, DATY, BBBJ, and covered FS, all delivered with a sensual girlfriend attitude. You already paid up to 70 Euro entrance fee, maybe airfare, maybe hotel, maybe taxi fare. Cheapening out on payment for the sex is foolish. If I could be guaranteed great sex, I would pay more than what they are currently charging. Maybe if the standard price was 70 Euro, the prettier girls would return to work in the clubs and the girls would offer great sex? The FKK market is still screwed up: way too many guys overall, way too many guys not going to a room and merely watching, not enough girls, not enough attractive girls, pricing from 10 years ago, overall mediocre service. Old and ugly and overweight and tattooed girls are becoming the norm. It is a mess. An economist would point out that an open labor market would bring in fresh motivated girls from South America and Africa and Southeast Asia and the problem would be instantly fixed and everyone would be happy, monger and owner and provider alike. The only ones who wouldn't like it are the Romanian girls. Somehow, brothels in Spain seem to get lots of young South Americans, so why can't the FKK clubs in Germany (not counting the older Latinas of SKY club in Wuppertal).
Impressions of Penelope Club in Castrop-Rauxel.
This is another slightly down at the heel club, like Acapulco Gold. It's clean, but just not a "luxury" experience. Entry was cheap. Only 30 Euro. The girls were charging 50 Euro per half hour for FK, DATY, BBBJ, covered sex. There is an outdoor sauna and a small outdoor pool, no indoor jacuzzi or other indoor wellness facilities. Fine for summer. Not sure how you would "relax" in the winter without any indoor facilities. Pretty much everything else is in one big room with concrete walls and concrete ceilings. Very industrial and sterile feel to the room, like at a high school that is decorated for prom. The decor looks like someone without interior design training searched online for "party decorations" about 20 years ago and then they never updated the decor. The pillars located around the room are "decorated" with water filled panels that appear to have tiny bubbles floating upwards, however, most of panels are cracked and only half full of water. The food was club normal: grilled sausages and French fries and salad. Edible. Soda fountain and coffee machine available for self service. Plenty of towels. Small room with porn on TV, otherwise TVs in main room are playing music videos. Music was played medium volume, not deafening. Clientele was a good mix of ages and half German half Turkish. When I arrived at 12:00 noon, there were only 4-5 girls and probably 30-40 guys. The ratio got worse as the evening went on. I would say the ratio of men to women at Penelope was the worst I have ever seen. By early evening, there were literally 150+ guys and probably 30 women. At least 5 of those were very attractive. I went with 3 girls. First was Patricia, who was almost certainly Romanian but claimed to be from Valencia Spain. Spoke English with an Eastern European accent. She was overweight, and not really my type, but when I chose her early after the club opened, she was the best of the 5 girls available. Service was good, nothing special. Next girl was Ellen or Helen, a beautiful Romanian with natural pert tits and minimal tattoos who stood near the small lockers all evening. She had dark hair in a bob that was chin length. I had high hopes, since she was so attractive. Poor service. No enthusiasm. Another sex robot trying to get out of the room in record time. At this point, I was getting discouraged. I did see a dark black girl, and assumed that she was probably African and that I would finally have a positive experience. No luck. As I went to speak with her, another guy moved in and away they went. It was getting late and I didn't want to wait in line for her. I saw a very slim and youthful girl with braided pig tails who looked very natural. Her name was Christina. Romanian, of course. She said she was 20 years old with no kids. Get to the room and: no kissing, no stroking her body because she's "too ticklish", no DATY. Only "relax baby while I give you blowjob", basically to get me hard quickly so we can fuck in 5 minutes and she can return to the hunt ASAP. What a series of crap service and what a sausage fest this club was. I do not understand why locals would come to this club with a ratio of 10 guys for every girl unless they are closeted gays and like to look at naked men. I also don't understand why you would come to a club where the girls offer service like in a laufhaus or Eros center. If I wanted a 5 minute pump and dump, I wouldn't bother with going to a FKK club. Overall, facilities were middle of the pack, a handful of girls were attractive, but the service was crap.
Impressions of FKK Oase.
The first time I visited Oase was about 15 years ago. It was my first visit to an FKK club. It was late summer, a beautiful sunny day with literally hundreds of naked girls walking around in the garden ready to have sex with you at any moment. It was unlike anything you could experience anywhere in the world. I have visited Oase and many other FKK clubs, almost every year since then. COVID put a stop to that. Time has passed, and this visit was my first visit after COVID, and my experience at Oase parallels the other five clubs that I visited on this trip: The FKK clubs are dying. They are a hollow shell of what they were 10-15 years ago, and they are much worse than they were before COVID, when they were already on a steep decline.
In a nutshell, the girls are the problem. No longer can you find a sweet sensual enthusiastic beauty. Instead, the girls are cold and mercenary. The youngest ones are often the most mercenary. I remember when the girls of Oase included girls from many countries and it was such a pleasure to meet them, talk about their home country, and experience "love" from around the world. I am well aware that it is an illusion of "love", but the girls were very good actresses and seldom stepped out of character. I have so many good memories of the most sensual DFK with tongue and stopping long enough to say "Wow wow wow. You are incredible", before diving back into a ferocious and breathless kiss. This would be followed by the most sensual and electric oral and vaginal sex. It was hard to believe that the girls were "faking it", because it just felt so real. Fast forward to today. Cold, quick, and mercenary.
First the facilities: Oase always had one of the best gardens for enjoying a sunny summer day, with the outdoor pool, the bed on the steep little hill with the mirror over the bed, the little cabins and tents. There is a ping pong table and the BBQ station in the yard, as well. The sauna is outside and it large and insanely hot. The huge jacuzzi is adjacent to the indoor dining area, where you can order a la carte pizza in the evenings. The lounge area next to the bar is still as dark as a cave, so it is tough to see whether the girl you are talking to is hot or not. Best to bring her into the light before you commit to anything. The little lockers are across from the bar at the entry and the clothes lockers are downstairs (past the bar). In short, if you have been to Oase before, it is physically unchanged. Now, on to the girls. I would say the lineup was small for my past experience at Oase. Probably 20-25 girls. Probably 50 guys. Remember, that during its heyday, Oase would have 200+ girls and the rooms would be full. You would wait for a key. Nothing like that now. There were a few international traveler types, likely Japanese and Chinese. Later in the evening, a group of what appeared to be Filipino customers arrived. Maybe a few Americans, but not many. This is the only club, besides Sharks, that seems to have a few international travelers post-COVID, which makes sense, since those are the only two mega clubs that have decent facilities and a larger number of girls and everyone can speak English. The girls were almost 100% Romanian. I did see two black African girls, but no Asians or South Americans. My first pick was Nadia, a slim blonde Romanian girl who was standing near reception when I arrived. That might have been a bad sign. Maybe she was desperate for work. Regardless, I wandered around the club for about a hour before deciding that she appealed the most to me. Slim with no tattoos and nice small breasts. Her English was quite good and she "explained" to me that if I wanted a GFE experience, it would be 100 Euro / 30 minutes. The receptionist of course told me that the standard rate of 50 Euro per half hour from the past still applied now. I knew that I would only get crappy service for 50 Euro, so I clarified what I wanted and we went to the room for 100 Euro for 30 minutes. Well, she did everything we discussed, but like a corpse or starfish. Not a mutual experience whatsoever. When I complained and started to leave the room before I had had a chance to cum, she offered to finish for a total of 50 Euro instead of 100 Euro. Weird. I begrudgingly decided to finish rather than leave and pay 50 Euro without cumming at all. Afterwards, I told her that she seemed like she was cold and didn't like her job. She proceeded to explain to me that most guys just want a quick fuck and that after fucking 10 guys a day for months, no girls have any interest in pretending to "make love". Pretty depressing, and makes me wonder why she requested extra for GFE if she refuses to provide it. That pretty much sums up the cold mercenary Romanian sex robot mentality. If I wanted that mechanical type of fucking in Germany, I would just go to an Eros Center or laufhaus, but the whole point of the FKK clubs, starting with Bernds, was top notch service. The steamy and sensual and sexually insatiable girlfriend. Well, the Romanian girls have destroyed that system with the world's worst acting and mediocre mechanical service. I made use of the sauna and had something to eat, then tried to imagine what to do next: Should I just leave? It feels like the end of a romance. The FKK experience is dying. Given my good experience with Africans, I sought out one of the African girls. Her name was Sara and she was from South Africa. I told her about my poor experiences with Romanians and my good experiences with Africans, and hoped that she would step up to the plate and hit a home run for Africa. She reassured me that I would be very happy, and again stated that good service is 100 Euro / 30 minutes. I trusted her reassurances enough to agree to an hour. Things started out pretty good. I requested some South African music, she danced while I stroked her from behind, and eventually we ended up on the bed. I started to kiss her, and she immediately said "not on my face". I was "allowed" to kiss her lips, but not her face. I proceeded to kiss and stroke her chest, and she told me she was "too ticklish" and that her nipples were "too sensitive" for gentle sucking. Soldiering on, I moved to start DATY. I positioned myself in a partial 69 position with her on bottom. Well, she didn't like that. She wanted me to move and position myself between her legs and face her instead, which always hurts my neck, but I didn't argue. Then she kept her legs fairly close together, so I couldn't actually get my mouth close. I was hoping DATY would change her attitude, but no such luck. She did give a very good BBBJ, but pretty much all of the Romanian sex robots can do that. When we moved to vaginal sex in mish, she wouldn't let me fully penetrate her, and when I tried to hold her ass cheeks in my hands, she pulled my hands away and she warned me to not try to fuck her ass. Pretty much a turn off at every turn. Closed and ungenerous service, like a girl having sex who doesn't want it. There are some girls who can make paid sex feel non consensual with all of their limitations. That is pretty much a massive turnoff for me. After all of her complaints and limitations, I couldn't keep focus and just lost interest in having sex at all. Left without cumming. Just like Nadia, Sara did everything she was "contracted" to do, but she found a way to make the whole experience a big disappointment. I arrived at Oase, just like every club, with plenty of money to spend, and left with the vast majority of it still in my pocket.
Will I return to Germany for another FKK tour in the future? Unless something major changes, the answer is no. The FKK club system is dying. 15 years of fantasy is over for me. Of the six clubs that I visited on this trip, here is my summary:
Facilities, best to worst (size of club);.
Club Venus, Hamminkiln (medium).
Club Babylon, Elsdorf (medium).
Oase (extra large).
Samya (large).
Penelope, Castorp-Rauxel (small, clean).
Acapulco Gold, Ratingen (small, dirty).
Girls, best to worst:
Babylon best. Oase worst.
The majority of girls in the clubs across the board offered poor pump and dump service with the notable exception of the girls at Babylon Elsdorf. On this trip, my average was 50% good service 50% bad service. Oase was 100% bad service at double the price. Babylon was 80% good service.
The Demise of the FKK Club system:
I remember 10+ years ago when the larger clubs like Oase were packed with pretty young girls (and not just Romanians) and had tons of international business travelers, like Chinese, Japanese, American, South American, etc. I remember a sunny summer Saturday afternoon at Oase about 10 years ago when the club had at least 200 girls, when I spent the entire day from 10 am to 2 am and had 6 sessions, including with a Greek girl that I fucked on the top of the hill under the mirror, a Persian girl who looked like Cleopatra and whose huge labia got stuck in my teeth, and a cuddly Polish girl with huge naturals and who loved to kiss, and a slim Croatian who offered my first full on rimming. Gone are the soft sweet cuddly girls. Now the clubs are 99.99% Romanian, very mercenary, often the cold sex robot type with severe black eye makeup, bee-sting lips, plastic tits, and more tattoos than a gang member. The fresh natural girls are gone. Ten years ago, I watched the girls all spreading their pretty pussies in the sunshine, I swam in the ice cold swimming pool, and I chatted with ISGers, including one famous ISGer who split his time between Oase and Crazy House on Soi Cowboy, always looking for "gazelles" and avoiding "water buffalos" (his words). It's hard to believe that magical time is gone. It makes me feel like I did when I heard that Annie's and Eden Club in Bangkok closed. The only way to visit these magical places now is a time machine. A real tragedy, because nothing has replaced them. It doesn't look like a real alternative to the FKK clubs that have become zombie clubs exists in Germany. The Swiss clubs are an option. Spanish brothels can be awesome. As I've mentioned in other posts, I think the Latin and African girls are the future. They still know how to make a man ecstatic and they are proud of that skill. I haven't visited the termas of Brazil. That might be the next best alternative now that German FKK clubs are full of soulless cold robots. The combination of German safety and cleanliness with a sex club can't really be replicated in places like Brazil or Thailand, however. The Romanian girls often barely tolerate their customers and the disdain is palpable sometimes. It's a real turn-off and erection killer, unless the thought of a blow up sex doll that hates you is a fantasy of yours.
Why is the FKK system dying? It is a combination of the bizarre sausage fest that exists at most clubs now, with four times as many guys as girls, guys that don't ever take a girl to the room and seem happy to merely look at the girls, and girls that try to offer the fastest and most mechanical service possible. Unfortunately, paying more doesn't fix the problem. I tried that at Oase. Didn't work. The girls feel totally justified providing cold mechanical service or service with a laundry list of limitations. They will even coldly explain to you why they offer crappy service and why you will never get real GFE service from a sex worker. Tell that to the FKK girls of 10 years ago. Tell that to the girls of Thailand or The Philippines or Latin America today. FKK clubs were magical places in years past where you could get the very highest level of GFE paid sex, now they are just overpriced places to pump and dump, and there is no reason to get long distance flights, hotel rooms, and taxi rides, if that is the crappy service available when you arrive. Back when the girls provided real GFE service, I would usually have 4-5 rooms with girls over the course of an entire day. On this trip, I still arrived optimistic with plenty of money and a goal of 4-5 rooms, but was disappointed in every club except Babylon. The clubs still got my entrance fee, but the girls missed out on a ton of Euro I had budgeted every day. If I had budgeted that much for Thailand, I could have had intense GFE for 200 Euro for all night long and still have a ton of Euro left over. In Germany, I had a ton of Euro left over only because the service was crappy. If you are thinking of a "dream trip" to FKK land, I would strongly urge you to spend your vacation time and money somewhere else. The FKK clubs are in steep decline.
Reading make me think about lack of knowledge, when much better to choose right time for visiting brothels. Also better to behave to give your girl will to follow your way and please you, welcoming you. Still exist on 2023, when money don t buy all, but have to deserve, to receive without begging. Germany is still good potential for me, with more freshness than at Globe and when escorts level fell in Paris and Milano.
FunExplorer
09-15-23, 17:37
Excellent ground report. Keep it up.
I will plan to be there in November.
Here is my mega post for a six club tour of the NRW area plus Oase. TL / DR: The FKK Club system is dying and many of the girls are sex robots. FKK Babylon and Samya are the exceptions.
Impressions of FKK Babylon Saunaclub in Elsdorf:
The club is clean and medium sized and geared for a local crowd of German retirees, not international business travelers. It has an outdoor pool and indoor sauna and hot tub / jacuzzi. Reception is straight ahead, then you backtrack to the entrance where the lockers and showers are located. Wallets or valuables don't have a separate locker. Tons of little towels available in a rack opposite reception for drying off and one large towel given to you when you pay the entrance of 70 Euro for covering up. No robes. Girls are naked. They charge 60 Euro for the first half hour and 50 Euro more for each additional half hour. Minimal discussion of up charges. The lineup was actually pretty decent, with relatively few heavily tattooed girls. A good number of natural breasts. Pretty much 95% Romanian, like most clubs. Reasonably young and attractive girls. No very old or very ugly girls. One group of younger, fresher girls with minimal tattoos and no silicone were sitting together in the smoking area. None of them spoke English, which is pretty unusual. Two girls wandering around were too overweight to call voluptuous. Probably around 20 girls. Saw several blowjobs in public, but didn't see any sex in public. Very small dining area. Food was spotty. Often I would be standing behind an overweight German who was scraping the steam tray bare and I was left without even gravy or crumbs. I would say the food was club average, meaning edible, but unacceptable if it were a restaurant. Attendance on a Saturday afternoon was about 4:1 guys to girls. The guys were all ethnic German and skewed pretty old.
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The clubs still got my entrance fee, but the girls missed out on a ton of Euro I had budgeted every day. If I had budgeted that much for Thailand, I could have had intense GFE for 200 Euro for all night long and still have a ton of Euro left over. In Germany, I had a ton of Euro left over only because the service was crappy. If you are thinking of a "dream trip" to FKK land, I would strongly urge you to spend your vacation time and money somewhere else. The FKK clubs are in steep decline.Exactly. Even in Sharks where I sessioned, I ended up spending much less money I'd planned to spend. Crappy attitude and / or line-ups until customers stay out or don't spend money. Unfortunately, FKKs are not the only venue in the World where this has been happening. Ill wind blowing everywhere, only in some parts of the World the downturn is more incremental.
PaulInZurich
09-16-23, 03:25
Numbers about registered sex workers in Germany: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2023/09/PD23_368_228.html.
Some expected: Registered sex workers total 2019 - 40.3 k, 2021 - 23.7 k, 2022 - 28 k.
Some less expected: For 2022 per citizenship. DE - 18%, RO - 35%, BG - 11%, ESP - 6%.
Very well written. Unfortunately there's no alternative to FKKs in the moment. Safety, cleanliness, easy to access, price, quantity and quality of girls, and wellness facility provide by the club all make it still the best option for mongers.
Here is my mega post for a six club tour of the NRW area plus Oase. TL / DR: The FKK Club system is dying and many of the girls are sex robots. FKK Babylon and Samya are the exceptions.
Impressions of FKK Babylon Saunaclub in Elsdorf:
The club is clean and medium sized and geared for a local crowd of German retirees, not international business travelers. It has an outdoor pool and indoor sauna and hot tub / jacuzzi. Reception is straight ahead, then you backtrack to the entrance where the lockers and showers are located. Wallets or valuables don't have a separate locker. Tons of little towels available in a rack opposite reception for drying off and one large towel given to you when you pay the entrance of 70 Euro for covering up. No robes. Girls are naked. They charge 60 Euro for the first half hour and 50 Euro more for each additional half hour. Minimal discussion of up charges. The lineup was actually pretty decent, with relatively few heavily tattooed girls. A good number of natural breasts. Pretty much 95% Romanian, like most clubs. Reasonably young and attractive girls. No very old or very ugly girls. One group of younger, fresher girls with minimal tattoos and no silicone were sitting together in the smoking area. None of them spoke English, which is pretty unusual. Two girls wandering around were too overweight to call voluptuous. Probably around 20 girls. Saw several blowjobs in public, but didn't see any sex in public. Very small dining area. Food was spotty. Often I would be standing behind an overweight German who was scraping the steam tray bare and I was left without even gravy or crumbs. I would say the food was club average, meaning edible, but unacceptable if it were a restaurant. Attendance on a Saturday afternoon was about 4:1 guys to girls. The guys were all ethnic German and skewed pretty old. I didn't see any Turks, for example. I didn't hear any English, except when speaking to the girls. The ratio of guys to girls was terrible, yet I never had to wait for a girl. Seemed like many guys were there to quietly drink beer and watch soccer. It is always funny to me when a "club" is playing dance music and has party lights and there are naked girls and the girls are faced with a roomful of sedate overweight Germans staring at a TV. If the FKK clubs were in Latin America, everyone would be talking and laughing and dancing and hooting at the girls. Instead, it feels like a motor vehicle registration office. It's not bad for relaxing, it's just funny. Had rooms with 2 Romanian girls, one was named Tanja. She had well done breast implants. I don't like implants and I didn't notice until she was upside down for the BBBJ and I could see the scars. Pretty lackluster session with no GFE feeling and no real passion. Average acceptable Romanian service. The other girl, whose name I can't remember, was worse and tried to block me from entering her pussy deeply and refused to really kiss. I left the room without cumming. It was that bad. Where is the reputation for service? I thought Babylon was supposed to have great service. I was searching out a replacement, but couldn't really find another girl that inspired me. Then I saw an African girl named Iman from Mali. Attractive face and decent body. Great engaging personality. Perfect English. Top notch service. Great passionate kissing, enthusiasm for DATY, great soft deep BBBJ with unprompted stroking of my anus, and enthusiastic deep FS. 10/10 for service. At this point, I decided to ditch the Romanian girls and try another African girl. This time the girl was Chayna from Rwanda with a huge Afro and she was big fleshy voluptuous girl, unlike my usual favorites. She offered rimming for an extra 30, I accepted and she went to town. Full on rimming for a solid 5-10 minutes. Basically another 10/10 performer. Based on these two girls, the FKK clubs need to start hiring African girls, or maybe I need to look into traveling to Africa. Getting to Babylon is not easy and essentially requires a rental car. The public transportation from Cologne is spotty and requires taking a train to Horrem, then trying to take a bus to nearby Babylon and walking, or taking an expensive taxi, all of which was time consuming and wasn't as straightforward as I thought it would be. It would have been much faster to rent a car from Cologne airport. Also, when I requested a taxi at Babylon to get back to my hotel, the Babylon reception, which barely spoke any English, acted as if that was a tall order and I would be lucky if they could find one. Uber didn't work. No drivers in this rural part of Germany, and apparently the German government has tried to crush Uber. In a nutshell, rent a car.
For the international traveler who is looking to mix a few FKK visits into their holiday, this might be a club worth checking out. It is much smaller than Sharks or Oase, but it is a very well done medium sized local club. It is difficult to access via public transportation, and it is not located near any other tourist attractions. If you were traveling with a wingman and renting a car, then I would definitely include Babylon. There is a website that lists the girls in attendance at Babylon, but the pics are scrubbed of tattoos. If you look at the pictures and add some large tattoos for about half the girls, then you have a decent idea of what to expect. Of note, the ages of the girls are listed and I was surprised to see that both African girls were significantly older than I would have guessed.
https://www.saunaclubs.org/huren/club/saunaclub-babylon.1/
Later in my trip, after visiting 5 other FKK clubs, I decided to return to FKK Babylon. As you'll see in my other reviews, my experience at the other clubs was pretty disappointing. I returned to Babylon because it was the best of the six clubs. Not necessarily the best facilities, although they were very good. Definitely not the best food. The girls at Babylon gave the best service. That is why I returned. For my second visit, I started with Nadja, a Romanian with long dark hair with white highlights braided into corn rows. She had some acne scarring. I didn't have high hopes, but she was the girl that really confirmed my choice to return. Good kissing, responsive to DATY, great soft BBBJ, followed by excellent wide open covered vaginal sex. She was a home run. Given that experience, I started looking again at girls I had overlooked. My next choice was Katerina, a tiny Bulgarian girl with puffy nipples and big tits for her size. Again, great kissing, very active and appreciative during DATY and again wide open welcoming wet covered vaginal sex. A second home run. Lastly, I chose Sara, a girl who had some negative comments on the lineup link that I posted above. I didn't know that until later. She spoke about 5 words in English. Sara has cafe au lait skin with a gap between her two front teeth and a freckle below one breast and no tattoos that I can remember. I had caught her eye and she seemed very interested in me. Later, she sat in the jacuzzi and kept looking me in the eye, but remember that she couldn't speak English basically at all. Clearly, she wanted to go to the room with me, but it would be awkward since we couldn't communicate. Well, it wasn't awkward. It was awesome. I think she was attracted to me more than just attracted to my wallet. She gave a 10/10 GFE experience from start to finish. The best kissing from any girl in 6 clubs. After my experiences in the other clubs, I was ready to write about the death of the FKK experience, and it certainly is dying in most clubs, but Babylon still has those fresh girls that haven't turned into robots, the experience I remember from when I first started going to FKK clubs 15 years ago.
For what it is worth, I have found that if the girl is kissing well and responding with enthusiasm early, I will then tell her that I want to go slow and stay an hour in the room. That worked well at Babylon.
Impressions of FKK Samya in Cologne:
The club is large and becomes a party in the evening. It is clean and attracts a younger bearded crowd of men, presumably Turks / Muslims. The girls tended to be younger than the average in FKK clubs. They are currently under construction, so most of the lockers are located down a skinny hallway. The showers are a small area downstairs along with the sauna and steam room. The food was club average, edible but nothing special. Reception is behind the building, so if you arrive walking from the street, you have to walk to the right of the building to the parking lot, where you will find the entrance. In the main bar area, there is an elevated stage and in the evening, the music switched to a DJ and the girls would dance along with guests. It was the exact opposite of the FKK Babylon scene with its fat and sedate old German men. The atmosphere at FKK Samya was a lively dance party. Even the older German guys were reasonably physically fit and got up on the stage, in fact the best "act" was a German guy in his 70's with a moustache who had brought crazy props for his dance performance, including a stuffed animal, a cane, colored glasses, and multiple layers of shirts that he stripped off. It was totally amateur, but funny.
The entrance was 70 Euro and the girls were asking 50 Euro per half hour. That includes no real kissing only chaste pecking, covered blowjob, and covered vaginal sex. Better service requires negotiation. I found girls ready to accept 150 Euro / hour for real GFE, with French kissing and BBBJ. Nonetheless, I had 3 girls who promised good service, and only one actually provided good service. The first girl had a dark shoulder length bob and wore glasses. She had large dragon-like tattoos on her back. She told me she was 19 years old. She barely kissed and only became pleasant after prolonged DATY. I had watched her interact with other guests and girls and she seemed to have a pleasant personality, but I didn't get much of that in the room. The session ended fine, but it was nothing special. Performance was 5/10. The second girl was named Sara, had blonde hair and almost no tattoos, only a subtle one on her wrist with a name and a crown. She said she was 21 years old. She was very sweet and pleasant and had a beautiful natural body and small beautiful breasts. She kissed with decent enthusiasm and opened herself wide for deep vaginal sex. Would rate her performance around a 7-8/10. The last girl was a real disaster. I believe her name was Isabella. She wasn't naked in the club, and so I suffered a nasty surprise in the room. In fact, none of the girls are naked in Samya. A few were topless. This girl's body was a real disappointment once the clothes came off. Her performance was even worse. She had sad looking saggy tiny breasts and a baby tummy. She claimed she loved to kiss and have her pussy eaten. In the room, she did neither. I stood up after 5 minutes and left the room. Performance 1/10. I will never understand this. If I were her and I knew that my body would be a disappointment, I would work doubly hard to make the customer happy and leave raving about my service. Instead, the crummy body matches the crummy service. Overall, the club was lively and fun, but two of three girls were disappointing. I was planning to have 4 girls but after the third one, I was disgruntled and left the club. I guess that at FKK Samya, things are back to pre-COVID normal, meaning you have to do your due diligence and closely vet every girl and make certain the bare minimum list of services (kissing with tongue, pussy eating, blow job without condom) is agreed to before you go to the room. I have been spoiled by Thailand and Spain and Colombia, where I haven't had to be so clinical before the act.
Impressions of Acapulco Gold. Ratingen.
Small club with absolute minimum of wellness facilities, basically just a small sauna. No pool, no jacuzzi. There is a terrace on the roof, but no way to cool off. The receptionist was pleasant and spoke decent English. Entrance was 30 Euro. Time with the girls is 50 Euro per half hour. One of the girls was enlisted to give a tour, which was pretty funny since there wasn't much to see. The first floor has a shower and bathroom for the men. The shower has a slight musty smell. The bathroom has a slight urine smell. The parking lot and outdoor entrance way was strewn with bits of trash and debris. I parked and stepped on an empty blister pack of Cialis as I walked in the parking lot. As you walk past the showers on the left (with an entrance "decorated" with metal chains serving as a curtain) you pass the cinema playing porn on the right and enter the main room with sofas and TVs playing music videos. Soft drinks are available as self-serve from a soda fountain, which I think all clubs should have. Leaving the main room leads you to a sunroom for smoking and the entrance to the kitchen / dining area. Only hard boiled eggs, cheese, and sliced ham and rolls were available. Apparently hot food is served later in the evening. The lineup was fairly meager. I counted 12 girls and probably 20-25 guys. It was midday midweek. It was the be team: Hard edged stick thin 20 year old Romanian girls who were looking angry as they sharply spoke to each other in Romanian and then a few Spanish-speaking girls, including one from Dominican Republic and one from Colombia. The Latinas were older, minimum late 30's. Pamela, the girl who gave my tour, was a pleasant buxom blonde, likely in her thirties also. She had been mentioned in an ISG post recently warning everyone to stay clear, so I did. As I looked around the room, no young mongers. Basically, the place seemed like a nursing home with elderly Germans wearing bathrobes and slippers with vacant stares wandering around aimlessly and middle-aged black haired "nurses" with black eye makeup in revealing outfits. I skipped the Romanians and I went with Caramela, the girl from the Dominican Republic. DR girls are usually passionate and sexy. She was good with light FK and deep wet vaginal sex. Excellent service if she had been Romanian, but only average for a Latina. After patiently waiting a few hours to find a suitable second girl, I decided that the lineup was just too blah to bother. Left after only spending 80 Euro. Crazy. Don't think I've ever left an FKK club without even spending 100 Euro. Yes the entrance was inexpensive and the girls' rate is inexpensive, but I was hoping for something more and had plenty of money to spend. I wasn't looking for a bargain, I was looking for fun. Looking at their clientele, I worry about the future of FKK clubs in Germany. So many clients who are literally a few years away from assisted living. This is not a club for international business travelers looking for a peak luxury experience, in fact, after COVID I'm not sure if any club meets that target other than maybe Sharks. It's sad. I realize that Acapulco Gold is a small club, but it just seems down at the heel and almost depressing with trash strewn all around the entrance, not worth traveling to experience.
Impressions of Club Venus, Hamminkeln.
This an absolutely beautiful medium sized club that feels brand new with great clean facilities. Two large jacuzzis on the large patio with about 6-8 outdoor cabins for sex and lots of chaise longue. Nice medium sized sauna and another jacuzzi inside. The rooms are clean, and have vinyl covers on the beds and bottles of disinfectant spray, so I'm assuming they are actually cleaned regularly. Entrance is 60 Euro, which includes 9 Euro towards the a la carte menu. There is no buffet. The food was actually pretty good for club food. I would say among the best I've had in a club, which is a pretty low bar. You order from the menu, then they give you a transponder which beeps when the food is ready. They place the food in a tiny dining area down a hallway across from reception. The showers were clean. Everything seemed very new and well maintained. It is a difficult club to visit without a car and taxi service is very spotty. The receptionist didn't even have a number to call for a taxi. Thankfully, another employee had the number of "Dickman" taxi. Yes. I'm not kidding. Google it and scribble down the number, because you will need it if you don't bring a car. Guess all of the guests drive themselves. I would say of all of the small and medium sized clubs that I've visited over the years (and that would be about a dozen or more), this is one of the very nicest. They obviously hired an interior designer and the lighting and wallpaper and decorations were all top notch. The only similar "classy" and clean and "designer" club I can think of is FKK Sakura. Among medium sized clubs, Babylon in Elsdorf also has nice facilities, but it would take second place to Sakura and Venus. The other mongers were relatively young and fit and pretty much entirely ethnic German. The club was more energetic than many small clubs. The girls would take turns jumping up and dancing sexily in the birdcage in front of the bar, and the bartender would turn on the smoke machine. It was actually pretty entertaining. The TVs were playing some gorgeous solo softcore stripping from a website called:
https://www.stasyq.com
It was very classy and arousing, unlike the hardcore crap that FKK Oase always plays in the hallways and in the lounge, which was more of a sensory overload and gross turnoff. If you want hardcore porn, Venus has a cinema downstairs for that, but it doesn't intrude on the intentional sensuality of the main part of the club. Overall, everything in the club was "on point". That's the good part. The bad part is that the girls were disappointing. I stayed throughout the afternoon and into the evening. There were simply not enough hot girls. I counted 10 girls and about 25 guys. Only a few of the girls were naked or topless, but most were wearing bras and panties, and only a few of the girls really appealed. They were charging 50 Euro per half hour and that included FK, BBBJ, DATY, and covered FS, so the pricing was very reasonable. I confirmed that pricing and services with the girls beforehand. I chose a Bulgarian named Mia, who had a pleasant personality and face, not one of the pissed off faces with vertical wrinkles between the brows that so many of the Romanian girls sport. She was a 8/10 performer, and I was very happy. Her tits were deflated and a little wrinkly, which was a disappointment when she removed the bra, but otherwise, she was a very good girlfriend experience. I tend to have much more luck with sensual GFE sex with Bulgarians than Romanians. No idea why. The pickings were slim but, for my next girl, I had found a pretty blonde girl with glasses and gorgeous natural breasts, and waited for her to finish a room, then watched her leave the building in her street clothes very early in the evening. Damn. No idea why she left during prime time. That left me with not much to choose from. I selected the one girl who was naked most of the time. She had no obvious tattoos and very pretty smallish natural breasts. Body type perfect for me. A Romanian girl with long black hair with the most pleasant face of all of the Romanian girls, which isn't saying much. Her name was Bianca. Was not a good choice. Started to kiss her and sensually stroke her body and you could tell she felt like my foreplay was just wasting her time. You could tell that from the moment we entered the room that it would be a race to fuck and get out of the room ASAP. At this point, I will mention to the ISG reader that I am scrupulously clean, very polite and gentle, and many girls mistake me for a celebrity. So, in other words, she's not trying to hurry because I'm disgusting or fat or stinky or have bad breath or whatever. She is just a scam artist. I started to lick and very lightly suck on her nipples, and she immediately complained that it hurt too much. I started soft wet sensual DATY, which most girls love. The Bulgarian girl clearly loved it, for example. And why wouldn't you love it? You get paid to just lie there and enjoy? Instead, after about 5 minutes, Bianca said "that's enough of that", and proceeded to push me away and wiped her pussy with a paper towel so she could get started on the blow job (and finish me off as quickly as possible). At this point, my dick was super soft. Due to her attitude, I was turned off nearly to the point of anger, which means my body refuses to make an erection. She didn't deserve an erection. She sucked long enough to get me hard, slipped on a condom and it was all over in the blink of an eye. Wasted time. Wasted money. Wasted sperm. If I had known, I would have just repeated with the Bulgarian. She was sensual and sexy, despite the less perfect body. At this point, I decided that the remaining girls were not worth it, so I spoke with the receptionist about getting a taxi. Took some awkward searching for a phone number of a taxi company and waiting for 20 minutes. My hotel was 5 miles away on empty rural roads. Took less than 10 minutes to drive. The fare was 35 Euro. Ouch.
In summary, beautiful facilities, among the very best for a club of this size, with a disappointing lineup of girls. Whether it is post COVID or some other factor, all of the clubs seem to have plenty of guys and only a meager number of lower quality girls. I think the clubs should start recruiting in Latin America and Africa. Those girls know service. I guess the stumbling block is a work visa, but a half dozen Colombian girls in any club would wipe the floor with the Romanian girls. Experience one room with a Colombian or Brazilian girl and most guys would be waiting in line for the South Americans and wouldn't even talk to the Romanians. Maybe the price of 50 Euro per half hour is keeping the prettier girls out of the business? I always felt that keeping the price at 50 Euros for well over 10 years was foolish. This is why the girls started offering crap service for the 50 Euro price, then adding DFK and BBBJ as an "extra" and meanwhile so many of the very best girls disappeared from the brothels and FKK clubs into the online independent sex work world. In my opinion, an FKK session should be great sex. That means a bare minimum of DFK with tongue, DATY, BBBJ, and covered FS, all delivered with a sensual girlfriend attitude. You already paid up to 70 Euro entrance fee, maybe airfare, maybe hotel, maybe taxi fare. Cheapening out on payment for the sex is foolish. If I could be guaranteed great sex, I would pay more than what they are currently charging. Maybe if the standard price was 70 Euro, the prettier girls would return to work in the clubs and the girls would offer great sex? The FKK market is still screwed up: way too many guys overall, way too many guys not going to a room and merely watching, not enough girls, not enough attractive girls, pricing from 10 years ago, overall mediocre service. Old and ugly and overweight and tattooed girls are becoming the norm. It is a mess. An economist would point out that an open labor market would bring in fresh motivated girls from South America and Africa and Southeast Asia and the problem would be instantly fixed and everyone would be happy, monger and owner and provider alike. The only ones who wouldn't like it are the Romanian girls. Somehow, brothels in Spain seem to get lots of young South Americans, so why can't the FKK clubs in Germany (not counting the older Latinas of SKY club in Wuppertal).
Impressions of Penelope Club in Castrop-Rauxel.
This is another slightly down at the heel club, like Acapulco Gold. It's clean, but just not a "luxury" experience. Entry was cheap. Only 30 Euro. The girls were charging 50 Euro per half hour for FK, DATY, BBBJ, covered sex. There is an outdoor sauna and a small outdoor pool, no indoor jacuzzi or other indoor wellness facilities. Fine for summer. Not sure how you would "relax" in the winter without any indoor facilities. Pretty much everything else is in one big room with concrete walls and concrete ceilings. Very industrial and sterile feel to the room, like at a high school that is decorated for prom. The decor looks like someone without interior design training searched online for "party decorations" about 20 years ago and then they never updated the decor. The pillars located around the room are "decorated" with water filled panels that appear to have tiny bubbles floating upwards, however, most of panels are cracked and only half full of water. The food was club normal: grilled sausages and French fries and salad. Edible. Soda fountain and coffee machine available for self service. Plenty of towels. Small room with porn on TV, otherwise TVs in main room are playing music videos. Music was played medium volume, not deafening. Clientele was a good mix of ages and half German half Turkish. When I arrived at 12:00 noon, there were only 4-5 girls and probably 30-40 guys. The ratio got worse as the evening went on. I would say the ratio of men to women at Penelope was the worst I have ever seen. By early evening, there were literally 150+ guys and probably 30 women. At least 5 of those were very attractive. I went with 3 girls. First was Patricia, who was almost certainly Romanian but claimed to be from Valencia Spain. Spoke English with an Eastern European accent. She was overweight, and not really my type, but when I chose her early after the club opened, she was the best of the 5 girls available. Service was good, nothing special. Next girl was Ellen or Helen, a beautiful Romanian with natural pert tits and minimal tattoos who stood near the small lockers all evening. She had dark hair in a bob that was chin length. I had high hopes, since she was so attractive. Poor service. No enthusiasm. Another sex robot trying to get out of the room in record time. At this point, I was getting discouraged. I did see a dark black girl, and assumed that she was probably African and that I would finally have a positive experience. No luck. As I went to speak with her, another guy moved in and away they went. It was getting late and I didn't want to wait in line for her. I saw a very slim and youthful girl with braided pig tails who looked very natural. Her name was Christina. Romanian, of course. She said she was 20 years old with no kids. Get to the room and: no kissing, no stroking her body because she's "too ticklish", no DATY. Only "relax baby while I give you blowjob", basically to get me hard quickly so we can fuck in 5 minutes and she can return to the hunt ASAP. What a series of crap service and what a sausage fest this club was. I do not understand why locals would come to this club with a ratio of 10 guys for every girl unless they are closeted gays and like to look at naked men. I also don't understand why you would come to a club where the girls offer service like in a laufhaus or Eros center. If I wanted a 5 minute pump and dump, I wouldn't bother with going to a FKK club. Overall, facilities were middle of the pack, a handful of girls were attractive, but the service was crap.
Impressions of FKK Oase.
The first time I visited Oase was about 15 years ago. It was my first visit to an FKK club. It was late summer, a beautiful sunny day with literally hundreds of naked girls walking around in the garden ready to have sex with you at any moment. It was unlike anything you could experience anywhere in the world. I have visited Oase and many other FKK clubs, almost every year since then. COVID put a stop to that. Time has passed, and this visit was my first visit after COVID, and my experience at Oase parallels the other five clubs that I visited on this trip: The FKK clubs are dying. They are a hollow shell of what they were 10-15 years ago, and they are much worse than they were before COVID, when they were already on a steep decline.
In a nutshell, the girls are the problem. No longer can you find a sweet sensual enthusiastic beauty. Instead, the girls are cold and mercenary. The youngest ones are often the most mercenary. I remember when the girls of Oase included girls from many countries and it was such a pleasure to meet them, talk about their home country, and experience "love" from around the world. I am well aware that it is an illusion of "love", but the girls were very good actresses and seldom stepped out of character. I have so many good memories of the most sensual DFK with tongue and stopping long enough to say "Wow wow wow. You are incredible", before diving back into a ferocious and breathless kiss. This would be followed by the most sensual and electric oral and vaginal sex. It was hard to believe that the girls were "faking it", because it just felt so real. Fast forward to today. Cold, quick, and mercenary.
First the facilities: Oase always had one of the best gardens for enjoying a sunny summer day, with the outdoor pool, the bed on the steep little hill with the mirror over the bed, the little cabins and tents. There is a ping pong table and the BBQ station in the yard, as well. The sauna is outside and it large and insanely hot. The huge jacuzzi is adjacent to the indoor dining area, where you can order a la carte pizza in the evenings. The lounge area next to the bar is still as dark as a cave, so it is tough to see whether the girl you are talking to is hot or not. Best to bring her into the light before you commit to anything. The little lockers are across from the bar at the entry and the clothes lockers are downstairs (past the bar). In short, if you have been to Oase before, it is physically unchanged. Now, on to the girls. I would say the lineup was small for my past experience at Oase. Probably 20-25 girls. Probably 50 guys. Remember, that during its heyday, Oase would have 200+ girls and the rooms would be full. You would wait for a key. Nothing like that now. There were a few international traveler types, likely Japanese and Chinese. Later in the evening, a group of what appeared to be Filipino customers arrived. Maybe a few Americans, but not many. This is the only club, besides Sharks, that seems to have a few international travelers post-COVID, which makes sense, since those are the only two mega clubs that have decent facilities and a larger number of girls and everyone can speak English. The girls were almost 100% Romanian. I did see two black African girls, but no Asians or South Americans. My first pick was Nadia, a slim blonde Romanian girl who was standing near reception when I arrived. That might have been a bad sign. Maybe she was desperate for work. Regardless, I wandered around the club for about a hour before deciding that she appealed the most to me. Slim with no tattoos and nice small breasts. Her English was quite good and she "explained" to me that if I wanted a GFE experience, it would be 100 Euro / 30 minutes. The receptionist of course told me that the standard rate of 50 Euro per half hour from the past still applied now. I knew that I would only get crappy service for 50 Euro, so I clarified what I wanted and we went to the room for 100 Euro for 30 minutes. Well, she did everything we discussed, but like a corpse or starfish. Not a mutual experience whatsoever. When I complained and started to leave the room before I had had a chance to cum, she offered to finish for a total of 50 Euro instead of 100 Euro. Weird. I begrudgingly decided to finish rather than leave and pay 50 Euro without cumming at all. Afterwards, I told her that she seemed like she was cold and didn't like her job. She proceeded to explain to me that most guys just want a quick fuck and that after fucking 10 guys a day for months, no girls have any interest in pretending to "make love". Pretty depressing, and makes me wonder why she requested extra for GFE if she refuses to provide it. That pretty much sums up the cold mercenary Romanian sex robot mentality. If I wanted that mechanical type of fucking in Germany, I would just go to an Eros Center or laufhaus, but the whole point of the FKK clubs, starting with Bernds, was top notch service. The steamy and sensual and sexually insatiable girlfriend. Well, the Romanian girls have destroyed that system with the world's worst acting and mediocre mechanical service. I made use of the sauna and had something to eat, then tried to imagine what to do next: Should I just leave? It feels like the end of a romance. The FKK experience is dying. Given my good experience with Africans, I sought out one of the African girls. Her name was Sara and she was from South Africa. I told her about my poor experiences with Romanians and my good experiences with Africans, and hoped that she would step up to the plate and hit a home run for Africa. She reassured me that I would be very happy, and again stated that good service is 100 Euro / 30 minutes. I trusted her reassurances enough to agree to an hour. Things started out pretty good. I requested some South African music, she danced while I stroked her from behind, and eventually we ended up on the bed. I started to kiss her, and she immediately said "not on my face". I was "allowed" to kiss her lips, but not her face. I proceeded to kiss and stroke her chest, and she told me she was "too ticklish" and that her nipples were "too sensitive" for gentle sucking. Soldiering on, I moved to start DATY. I positioned myself in a partial 69 position with her on bottom. Well, she didn't like that. She wanted me to move and position myself between her legs and face her instead, which always hurts my neck, but I didn't argue. Then she kept her legs fairly close together, so I couldn't actually get my mouth close. I was hoping DATY would change her attitude, but no such luck. She did give a very good BBBJ, but pretty much all of the Romanian sex robots can do that. When we moved to vaginal sex in mish, she wouldn't let me fully penetrate her, and when I tried to hold her ass cheeks in my hands, she pulled my hands away and she warned me to not try to fuck her ass. Pretty much a turn off at every turn. Closed and ungenerous service, like a girl having sex who doesn't want it. There are some girls who can make paid sex feel non consensual with all of their limitations. That is pretty much a massive turnoff for me. After all of her complaints and limitations, I couldn't keep focus and just lost interest in having sex at all. Left without cumming. Just like Nadia, Sara did everything she was "contracted" to do, but she found a way to make the whole experience a big disappointment. I arrived at Oase, just like every club, with plenty of money to spend, and left with the vast majority of it still in my pocket.
Will I return to Germany for another FKK tour in the future? Unless something major changes, the answer is no. The FKK club system is dying. 15 years of fantasy is over for me. Of the six clubs that I visited on this trip, here is my summary:
Facilities, best to worst (size of club);.
Club Venus, Hamminkiln (medium).
Club Babylon, Elsdorf (medium).
Oase (extra large).
Samya (large).
Penelope, Castorp-Rauxel (small, clean).
Acapulco Gold, Ratingen (small, dirty).
Girls, best to worst:
Babylon best. Oase worst.
The majority of girls in the clubs across the board offered poor pump and dump service with the notable exception of the girls at Babylon Elsdorf. On this trip, my average was 50% good service 50% bad service. Oase was 100% bad service at double the price. Babylon was 80% good service.
The Demise of the FKK Club system:
I remember 10+ years ago when the larger clubs like Oase were packed with pretty young girls (and not just Romanians) and had tons of international business travelers, like Chinese, Japanese, American, South American, etc. I remember a sunny summer Saturday afternoon at Oase about 10 years ago when the club had at least 200 girls, when I spent the entire day from 10 am to 2 am and had 6 sessions, including with a Greek girl that I fucked on the top of the hill under the mirror, a Persian girl who looked like Cleopatra and whose huge labia got stuck in my teeth, and a cuddly Polish girl with huge naturals and who loved to kiss, and a slim Croatian who offered my first full on rimming. Gone are the soft sweet cuddly girls. Now the clubs are 99.99% Romanian, very mercenary, often the cold sex robot type with severe black eye makeup, bee-sting lips, plastic tits, and more tattoos than a gang member. The fresh natural girls are gone. Ten years ago, I watched the girls all spreading their pretty pussies in the sunshine, I swam in the ice cold swimming pool, and I chatted with ISGers, including one famous ISGer who split his time between Oase and Crazy House on Soi Cowboy, always looking for "gazelles" and avoiding "water buffalos" (his words). It's hard to believe that magical time is gone. It makes me feel like I did when I heard that Annie's and Eden Club in Bangkok closed. The only way to visit these magical places now is a time machine. A real tragedy, because nothing has replaced them. It doesn't look like a real alternative to the FKK clubs that have become zombie clubs exists in Germany. The Swiss clubs are an option. Spanish brothels can be awesome. As I've mentioned in other posts, I think the Latin and African girls are the future. They still know how to make a man ecstatic and they are proud of that skill. I haven't visited the termas of Brazil. That might be the next best alternative now that German FKK clubs are full of soulless cold robots. The combination of German safety and cleanliness with a sex club can't really be replicated in places like Brazil or Thailand, however. The Romanian girls often barely tolerate their customers and the disdain is palpable sometimes. It's a real turn-off and erection killer, unless the thought of a blow up sex doll that hates you is a fantasy of yours.
Why is the FKK system dying? It is a combination of the bizarre sausage fest that exists at most clubs now, with four times as many guys as girls, guys that don't ever take a girl to the room and seem happy to merely look at the girls, and girls that try to offer the fastest and most mechanical service possible. Unfortunately, paying more doesn't fix the problem. I tried that at Oase. Didn't work. The girls feel totally justified providing cold mechanical service or service with a laundry list of limitations. They will even coldly explain to you why they offer crappy service and why you will never get real GFE service from a sex worker. Tell that to the FKK girls of 10 years ago. Tell that to the girls of Thailand or The Philippines or Latin America today. FKK clubs were magical places in years past where you could get the very highest level of GFE paid sex, now they are just overpriced places to pump and dump, and there is no reason to get long distance flights, hotel rooms, and taxi rides, if that is the crappy service available when you arrive. Back when the girls provided real GFE service, I would usually have 4-5 rooms with girls over the course of an entire day. On this trip, I still arrived optimistic with plenty of money and a goal of 4-5 rooms, but was disappointed in every club except Babylon. The clubs still got my entrance fee, but the girls missed out on a ton of Euro I had budgeted every day. If I had budgeted that much for Thailand, I could have had intense GFE for 200 Euro for all night long and still have a ton of Euro left over. In Germany, I had a ton of Euro left over only because the service was crappy. If you are thinking of a "dream trip" to FKK land, I would strongly urge you to spend your vacation time and money somewhere else. The FKK clubs are in steep decline.
Also escorts, for less expensive than most Sharks girls who are not on escort level for look nor GFE.
Neurosynth
09-17-23, 07:48
Terrific reporting on the state of the FKK world. But there is a different additional part of the FKK world. I. E. Modest operations that specialize in low cost AO (bareback everything) like the RTCs (Roter Teppich Club – Red Carpet Club) or La Luna.
My impression is that they are all at least 80% back. But I've been away since COVID, so what do I know.
Terrific reporting on the state of the FKK world. But there is a different additional part of the FKK world. I. E. Modest operations that specialize in low cost AO (bareback everything) like the RTCs (Roter Teppich Club Red Carpet Club) or La Luna.
My impression is that they are all at least 80% back. But I've been away since COVID, so what do I know.I don t experience same when on 2022 and 2023 , I found great girls in Germany and at Freubad. Ch. We experience from what we are. When You behave like a tourist, You will get tourist level. Germany still worth for me when new rates attract girls from escorting for less expensive than in Switzerland. 150/80 or 200/85/90 for my expériences with girls looking like elegant women. I will keep on.
Numbers about registered sex workers in Germany: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2023/09/PD23_368_228.html.
Some expected: Registered sex workers total 2019 - 40.3 k, 2021 - 23.7 k, 2022 - 28 k.
Some less expected: For 2022 per citizenship. DE - 18%, RO - 35%, BG - 11%, ESP - 6%.Those numbers make me wonder how many working girls were there before ProstSchG became law. 100 K? Or more? But it also means that I am hoping for more girls to start working in FKK's etc.
Those numbers make me wonder how many working girls were there before ProstSchG became law. 100 K? Or more? But it also means that I am hoping for more girls to start working in FKK's etc.Despite increasing rates in Germany, but less and less girls since covid, much less at GG than Bruggen, less at Oase and Palace, World and Prime are almost dead for casting, but doesn t mean can t find high quality, when most expensive are usually not the best.
PaulInZurich
09-17-23, 19:26
Those numbers make me wonder how many working girls were there before ProstSchG became law. 100 K? Or more? But it also means that I am hoping for more girls to start working in FKK's etc.2018 I think there were about 38 k registered WGs. There was some rebound in number of registered WGs in 2023 but still significantly less than pre covid. So supply is significantly less. Too bad we can't quantify demand changes.
What is the policy of the clubs regarding leaving the premises and returning the same day? Do they charge for re-entry in this situation? I'm interested in particular in Oase and Sharks, but would welcome answers regarding any of the clubs.
FunExplorer
09-18-23, 11:44
PALMERA CLUB, DUSSELDORF.
Has any one been to Palmera Club at Dusseldorf? I have not read any reviews.
Is this a FKK? Apprecaite feedback.
What is the policy of the clubs regarding leaving the premises and returning the same day? Do they charge for re-entry in this situation? I'm interested in particular in Oase and Sharks, but would welcome answers regarding any of the clubs.Usually, you can leave and return on day, agreeing with desk.
What is the policy of the clubs regarding leaving the premises and returning the same day? Do they charge for re-entry in this situation? I'm interested in particular in Oase and Sharks, but would welcome answers regarding any of the clubs.At Oase it is allowed to leave and come back. You have to go to the check-in-counter and give them your key. They will hold if for you until you come back. You can leave your stuff in the locker. They will also cut your wrist-band and reattach it when you come back.
It is also allowed to leave Sharks and come back but it works a little different. You will also check out at the counter but you get a number. That number you have to give them to get your key back. On the website it says you have to return before 22.00.
For sharks, just inform the reception lady when you leave and she will tell you to remember the locker number and hold on your key on a separate key stand. No time restrictions.
At Oase it is allowed to leave and come back. You have to go to the check-in-counter and give them your key. They will hold if for you until you come back. You can leave your stuff in the locker. They will also cut your wrist-band and reattach it when you come back.
It is also allowed to leave Sharks and come back but it works a little different. You will also check out at the counter but you get a number. That number you have to give them to get your key back. On the website it says you have to return before 22.00.
Manga Mio. De ex Bruggen at Globe.
Can I have a list of all the clubs in Germany that always have more than 50 girls on Saturday / Friday nights?
Can I have a list of all the clubs in Germany that always have more than 50 girls on Saturday / Friday nights?Sharks and maybe Artemis. Quantity is not quality.
Sharks and maybe Artemis. Quantity is not quality.Let me revise the number to 30.
Funny that someone decided it would be a good financial decision to make another FKK the same size as world only 10 minutes drive away from world, with the same price structure and poor line up as world.
Is anyone going to crazy bunny ranch's re-opening tonight / tomorrow?
Let me revise the number to 30.For Hessen:
- You can add Oase for sure. Always 30- 45 girls on the weekend in 2023.
- Also Palace, if you skip summer months and other weak periods.
- World: Can have 30- 35 on a good weekend, but is normally weaker (20- 25).
- Mainhattan: I am guessing similar to World?
- Atlanta: I am guessing 10- 25?
The remaining Hessen clubs are smaller afaik.
I would be interested in an update from the NRW. Anyone? I could answer for Austria, but you didn't ask! :)
Upcoming trip. I will do Sharks on a Wednesday (day of arrival), Oase Thursday.
Normally like to get to Palace or Mainhattan once. But what are the current line ups like in both and compared to Sharks and Oase?
Worth a visit or do I do 2 nights in each of Sharks and Oase? Thoughts on current line ups of the main four clubs would be much appreciated. Had planned on a trip (public transport as don't drink and drive) to World but recent reports in its forum are dreadful and should be heeded. Your thoughts please gents.
Upcoming trip. I will do Sharks on a Wednesday (day of arrival), Oase Thursday.
Normally like to get to Palace or Mainhattan once. But what are the current line ups like in both and compared to Sharks and Oase?
Worth a visit or do I do 2 nights in each of Sharks and Oase? Thoughts on current line ups of the main four clubs would be much appreciated. Had planned on a trip (public transport as don't drink and drive) to World but recent reports in its forum are dreadful and should be heeded. Your thoughts please gents.Around 200 girls for the 4 . Palace is for Friday or Saturday evening.
Upcoming trip. I will do Sharks on a Wednesday (day of arrival), Oase Thursday.
Normally like to get to Palace or Mainhattan once. But what are the current line ups like in both and compared to Sharks and Oase?
Worth a visit or do I do 2 nights in each of Sharks and Oase? Thoughts on current line ups of the main four clubs would be much appreciated. Had planned on a trip (public transport as don't drink and drive) to World but recent reports in its forum are dreadful and should be heeded. Your thoughts please gents.I have been going to these clubs a fair bit recently. Oase's lineup has been at least as good as shark's in terms of the number of high quality women, though at shark's it will probably take you longer to find them since there's so many you have to search through. Oase is also better in that most of the women there accept 50 euro for 30 minutes, but at sharks there's no negotiating and it will be 100 euro /30 minutes minimum.
Between Mainhattan / palace I've only seen a few fuckable women and they seem to only come to the club very late into the day.
I have been going to these clubs a fair bit recently. Oase's lineup has been at least as good as shark's in terms of the number of high quality women, though at shark's it will probably take you longer to find them since there's so many you have to search through. Oase is also better in that most of the women there accept 50 euro for 30 minutes, but at sharks there's no negotiating and it will be 100 euro /30 minutes minimum.
Between Mainhattan / palace I've only seen a few fuckable women and they seem to only come to the club very late into the day.Very helpful thanks.
If most of the girls in Oase are doing 50/30 what is their price for 1 hour? 100? Really?
Oase is also better in that most of the women there accept 50 euro for 30 minutes, but at sharks there's no negotiating and it will be 100 euro /30 minutes minimum.Is the 50 at Oase for CBJ or BBJ?
Is the 50 at Oase for CBJ or BBJ?Covered. In the 10 years I've been going to the main fkks I've never seen BBBJ for less than 100.
Very helpful thanks.
If most of the girls in Oase are doing 50/30 what is their price for 1 hour? 100? Really?Depends how busy it is. I've had girls decline 1 hour but accept 30 minutes because they don't want to miss out.
On the higher paying customers during busy times.
Covered. In the 10 years I've been going to the main fkks I've never seen BBBJ for less than 100.I had many BBBJ for only 40 at Velbert, Gold, Penelope, or 50 at World, Sharks, and with french kiss, sometimes for nearly 40 mn. BBBJ is much easier than FK with most girls.
Covered. In the 10 years I've been going to the main fkks I've never seen BBBJ for less than 100.You have been incredibly unlucky then. Pre the 2017 stupid unenforceable gummy law, BBBJ was just an accepted standard part of the service. Back then you could expect BBBJ, DFK and FS (obviously covered) in the standard pricing at most clubs. I can recall around 2015 it coming as a real shock to me when girls in the Hamburg FKKs started asking for 20 extra for BBBJ.
Artemis Berlin has nearly always adopted 20 extra post 2017 but during the easing out of lockdown many girls would just do it (for free). That didn't last long. I find in most of the non-Hessen clubs BBBJ is available at extra cost but if you only do 30 minutes I get why the girl wants more.
You have been incredibly unlucky then. Pre the 2017 stupid unenforceable gummy law, BBBJ was just an accepted standard part of the service. Back then you could expect BBBJ, DFK and FS (obviously covered) in the standard pricing at most clubs. I can recall around 2015 it coming as a real shock to me when girls in the Hamburg FKKs started asking for 20 extra for BBBJ.
Artemis Berlin has nearly always adopted 20 extra post 2017 but during the easing out of lockdown many girls would just do it (for free). That didn't last long. I find in most of the non-Hessen clubs BBBJ is available at extra cost but if you only do 30 minutes I get why the girl wants more.Many girls ask extra for FK, but not for BBBJ. When law was on 1 July 2017 but til covid when locals made explosing rate in appartments, 50/30 was the rate at Sharks including BBBJ, DATY, FK. Only upselling at Palace and Oase before covid. And also in Porsche Stuttgart.
Many girls ask extra for FK, but not for BBBJ. When law was on 1 July 2017 but til covid when locals made explosing rate in appartments, 50/30 was the rate at Sharks including BBBJ, DATY, FK. Only upselling at Palace and Oase before covid. And also in Porsche Stuttgart.I think less upselling at Oase now than little Romanians at Sharks asking 150/30 or 250/60 to kiss a bit.
Is requesting the cum in mouth extra a sneaky way to get the to give you a really long uncovered blow job? Or do they expect you to do the work with your hand?
Is requesting the cum in mouth extra a sneaky way to get the to give you a really long uncovered blow job? Or do they expect you to do the work with your hand?Your own handjob and trying to target your mouth and then, pay extra to the girl who supported you.
How do you think wellcum compares to the frankfurt clubs lately?
Their website lists all the girls in attendance each day and most of them seem to be extraordinarily attractive.
I'm not sure if that's because they don't publish the non-photogenic ones or not. In any case, to have four girls like.
This in attendence during a single day (tomorrow) already puts it ahead of any of the german clubs I've been to over the last few months.
https://wellcum.at/damen-detail/?girl=677
https://wellcum.at/damen-detail/?girl=778
https://wellcum.at/damen-detail/?girl=336
https://wellcum.at/damen-detail/?girl=898
Banana Boi
12-02-23, 21:40
Oase is also better in that most of the women there accept 50 euro for 30 minutes, but at sharks there's no negotiating and it will be 100 euro /30 minutes minimum.
Oase girls weren't even offering 50/30 in late 2015, at least not the ones I felt were room worthy.
Oase girls weren't even offering 50/30 in late 2015, at least not the ones I felt were room worthy.Now, less upselling at Oase than Sharks where some ask 150/30 or 250/60 for few baby kiss.
Banana Boi
12-03-23, 18:42
The guy I'm responding to said most Oase girls offer 50/30. Let's be real here how many Oase girls really offer this and how bad do they look?
The guy I'm responding to said most Oase girls offer 50/30. Let's be real here how many Oase girls really offer this and how bad do they look?Can find for fast suck and fuck on late night at 3 am, when some didn't make enough money.
The guy I'm responding to said most Oase girls offer 50/30. Let's be real here how many Oase girls really offer this and how bad do they look?More than half the girls I've asked have said yes to 50. Don't act desperate, let them come to you and don't act so interested. Say you'll go with them if they can do 50.
Delta Indigo
12-04-23, 05:50
More than half the girls I've asked have said yes to 50. Don't act desperate, let them come to you and don't act so interested. Say you'll go with them if they can do 50.But for 50 do you get a CBJ and no kissing?
But for 50 do you get a CBJ and no kissing?Yes but dick in pussy is 90% of the experience, no?
Yes but dick in pussy is 90% of the experience, no?For most punters, BBBJ is a essential part of the standard service. The girls know this only too well, and post 2017 law changes it's provided them with the leverage to increase prices.
For most punters, BBBJ is a essential part of the standard service. The girls know this only too well, and post 2017 law changes it's provided them with the leverage to increase prices.BBBJ is still very standard in Germany. If I think a girl doesn t worth more than 100 , like Maria. Ukr at Sharks, not pretty and sensual enough to pay more expensive, I prefer FK, DATY to make her cum and fuck her and I skip BJ, when I didn t ask my girlfriends to suck me and even refused. One at Sharks ex Mainhattan star is really skillful for BJ, which is quite rare.
What are some must try clubs in Europe outside of Frankfurt? Besides the following which I've already visited: Artemis, mystic Salzburg, Wellcum, Samya. Do you think globe in Switzerland is something I should add to my tally?
What are some must try clubs in Europe outside of Frankfurt? Besides the following which I've already visited: Artemis, mystic Salzburg, Wellcum, Samya. Do you think globe in Switzerland is something I should add to my tally?Checking on the Wellcum logistics and it is the cheapest place to rent a car in Slovenia Ljubljana much cheaper than Austria and Switzerland. As low as 17 euros per day!
I'll be in Frankfurt for one night before moving on. Question.
Though I know opinions will vary, which FKK would you guys recommend to visit? Pretty much that age old question of, if you could only visit one club, which one would it be?
Extra info:
1. My only experience is at Artemis in Berlin (I've heard the clubs in FRA are better).
2. I won't have a car, but am willing to hop on a train or call an uber.
3. I have all day and night in FRA. My flight isn't until late morning next day.
4. I'm not pinching pennies, but also not trying to get scammed for 200/30 mins. Just saying
TIA.
I'll be in Frankfurt for one night before moving on. Question.
Though I know opinions will vary, which FKK would you guys recommend to visit? Pretty much that age old question of, if you could only visit one club, which one would it be?
Extra info:
1. My only experience is at Artemis in Berlin (I've heard the clubs in FRA are better).
2. I won't have a car, but am willing to hop on a train or call an uber.
3. I have all day and night in FRA. My flight isn't until late morning next day.
4. I'm not pinching pennies, but also not trying to get scammed for 200/30 mins. Just saying
TIA.If you have a day and night, Visit OASE first early afternoon, then if you don't find a girl, take Uber to Sharks (about 65 Euro /50 min).
This is because many A-team girls on OASE works on early time (from 11 am), but many A-team girls work on late time (7 pm-4 am) at Sharks.
OASE and Sharks are like Apple and Orange. You cannot compare. Some people say OASE LU is much better, and others say the opposite.
For me, I cannot find a single attractive girl at Sharks, but find many in OASE.
If you have a day and night, Visit OASE first early afternoon, then if you don't find a girl, take Uber to Sharks (about 65 Euro /50 min).
This is because many A-team girls on OASE works on early time (from 11 am), but many A-team girls work on late time (7 pm-4 am) at Sharks.
OASE and Sharks are like Apple and Orange. You cannot compare. Some people say OASE LU is much better, and others say the opposite.
For me, I cannot find a single attractive girl at Sharks, but find many in OASE.No, Oase casting is at best at 7 pm and Sharks casting fall at midnight, difficult to enjoy both in 5 hours, but I agree prettier ones at Oase and now less upselling, but better to visit on Friday and Saturday at 7 pm, when some girls arrive at 9 .
If you have a day and night, Visit OASE first early afternoon, then if you don't find a girl, take Uber to Sharks (about 65 Euro /50 min).
This is because many A-team girls on OASE works on early time (from 11 am), but many A-team girls work on late time (7 pm-4 am) at Sharks.
OASE and Sharks are like Apple and Orange. You cannot compare. Some people say OASE LU is much better, and others say the opposite.
For me, I cannot find a single attractive girl at Sharks, but find many in OASE.Appreciate the advice. It sounds like Oase is a safe bet and if it fails, head to Sharks.
In this case, I land in FRA Sunday morning and my intention for the day is food, beer, FKK, and maybe some company late that night at my hotel, if I don't end up spending all night at the FKK. I have the freedom to possibly stay all day Monday and leave Tuesday as well, but from what I was reading, FRA doesn't seem like an awesome city to extend your stay (which is why I'm limiting to one day). Thanks again and my ears are still open for any other monger recommendations.
Appreciate the advice. It sounds like Oase is a safe bet and if it fails, head to Sharks.
In this case, I land in FRA Sunday morning and my intention for the day is food, beer, FKK, and maybe some company late that night at my hotel, if I don't end up spending all night at the FKK. I have the freedom to possibly stay all day Monday and leave Tuesday as well, but from what I was reading, FRA doesn't seem like an awesome city to extend your stay (which is why I'm limiting to one day). Thanks again and my ears are still open for any other monger recommendations.On Sunday, Sharks. Entry 50 before 2 pm.
Appreciate the advice. It sounds like Oase is a safe bet and if it fails, head to Sharks.
In this case, I land in FRA Sunday morning and my intention for the day is food, beer, FKK, and maybe some company late that night at my hotel, if I don't end up spending all night at the FKK. I have the freedom to possibly stay all day Monday and leave Tuesday as well, but from what I was reading, FRA doesn't seem like an awesome city to extend your stay (which is why I'm limiting to one day). Thanks again and my ears are still open for any other monger recommendations.Also FYI, the famous Nadia who Siri and others often talks about is early timer at OASE. It's very difficult to find her after 6 pm as she is always with customer, but easy to book before 4 pm. Even if she is on vacation, the LU is still better than Sharks / Palace in my subjective opinion. At least two top girls at Sharks (Katalea and Kitty) seem to be available most of the times at night. I still never seen the famous Maria at Shark though.
Also FYI, the famous Nadia who Siri and others often talks about is early timer at OASE. It's very difficult to find her after 6 pm as she is always with customer, but easy to book before 4 pm. Even if she is on vacation, the LU is still better than Sharks / Palace in my subjective opinion. At least two top girls at Sharks (Katalea and Kitty) seem to be available most of the times at night. I still never seen the famous Maria at Shark though.Nadia mainly hunt Asians for fast rooms from 2 pm to 2 am.
Nadia mainly hunt Asians for fast rooms from 2 pm to 2 am.Is she the one that always wears a short dress? She must be the busiest person there.
Is she the one that always wears a short dress? She must be the busiest person there.I don't remember for the dress, but she needs to hunt and as soon she see a Asian.
I don't remember for the dress, but she needs to hunt and as soon she see a Asian.How can you not remember? When everyone else is practically naked, she's the only one who is never naked.
How can you not remember? When everyone else is practically naked, she's the only one who is never naked.Because she is not interesting for sex for me, when I m not Asian.
Is she the one that always wears a short dress? She must be the busiest person there.Not a dress, but more kind of skirt in silk, kind of just bottom of dress to sleep, women put on, but I asked my girlfriends to sleep full naked with me, what they never did in previous life. But Nadia showing her perfect firm naturals. What a natural beauty, sexier than Kity. Not always busy, but I resisted when I want to pay only for dream.
I find so funny guys, some playing specialist, but asking to know your girls, when they should have learned we have different taste and we don t experience same, even with same girls, from what we are, when I don t need to ask for others girls, but I use my eyes and brain. My tip is: on first introduction, look how the girl looks at You and talk to You, quite informative for what should happen, if You don t ask for pervert. When I find, unfortunately, level of new Romanians in FKK land really fell for quality and woman types became rare, but on 2023, I got a rare fresh natural German part timer at Sharks on May / June for 150/60 I extended on second room to 200 for a bit less than 1 h30 , technique with escorts, to enjoy her rare freshness. She followed after Jasmin. De from Munchen from October 2022 to April who lowered to 150/60 after our discovery. Nevertheless, GG was my best 2023 club with many weekly rooms with 2 high level elegant for 150/60 or 200/90 . Germany is still best quality for me, when Freubad fell for quality on 2023 and Globe and Wellcum can t compete for quality for girls. Very good point in FKK land is best quality is not for the most expensive. I should keep on repeating my 2 best quality and value on new year, when I m happy to go weekly for months with same best quality, what I even prefer and saving money not paying entries for no room. Only bad point is far from ski and climbings, when Switzerland is closer, when I don t have enough time to go to best value and quality. When snow was good, but not enough for Christmas, with many rocks and ice because of wind, I wish more snow later, to return to my free ride spots, even I already enjoyed 6 for my Christmas but to repeat and enjoy many others.
Neurosynth
12-31-23, 08:49
. . . I got a rare fresh natural German part timer at Sharks on May / June for 150/60 I extended on second room to 200 for a bit less than 1 h30 , technique with escorts, to enjoy her rare freshness. . . .200/90 for a hometown German girl sounds almost perfect. Is AO too much to hope for with her?
200/90 for a hometown German girl sounds almost perfect. Is AO too much to hope for with her?A German from Rhur, like Sofi. I prefer a rare girl and she was really, even I decided not to follow when she was booked whole day on outcalls, than AO with bad teeth at best. When level of new Romanians at Sharks is really falling since 2022 and they dare too ask much more expensive than they really worth, so since 2022 , Sharks is for sometimes Germans or Slavians, but unfortunately no Romanian elegant woman image.
RTC for AO, not for quality I look for, nor images to dream.
ImOffToCollege
01-02-24, 12:11
Greetings, men of culture!
I find myself transiting through Amsterdam and I thought what better way to spend the time than to check out FKKs across the border! I will have around 3 days total in April.
My options are Hessen or NRW. Hessen will mean more driving to and from Amsterdam. Driving, high speed train or flight. You get the picture.
I know Hessen and Frankfurt reasonably well over the years including post COVID. Oase, Shark, Mainhattan, Palace, etc. I know what to expect from Frankfurt (ie great fun) but it will mean a pretty long time on the road.
I will only be going to FKKs rather than other venues and clubs.
Please enlighten me. Are NRW FKKs promising in terms of (1) girl quality and quantity, and (2) even weekday or afternoon crowd? Or better off sticking to what I know and make the longer drive to Frankfurt?
Thank you!
Greetings, men of culture!
I find myself transiting through Amsterdam and I thought what better way to spend the time than to check out FKKs across the border! I will have around 3 days total in April.
My options are Hessen or NRW. Hessen will mean more driving to and from Amsterdam. Driving, high speed train or flight. You get the picture.
I know Hessen and Frankfurt reasonably well over the years including post COVID. Oase, Shark, Mainhattan, Palace, etc. I know what to expect from Frankfurt (ie great fun) but it will mean a pretty long time on the road.
I will only be going to FKKs rather than other venues and clubs.
Please enlighten me. Are NRW FKKs promising in terms of (1) girl quality and quantity, and (2) even weekday or afternoon crowd? Or better off sticking to what I know and make the longer drive to Frankfurt?
Thank you!Better to avoid around Orthodox Easter. NRW is better value than Hessen and closer to border. You can try 6 ens NL on border close to Aachen. Also Penelope, LR and GG. Better to visit from Thursday to Sunday.
What I love in NRW is when girls I chosse put off dress, panties, for me in room. So exciting.
Neurosynth
01-03-24, 04:20
FWIW there are a number of RTC style FKKs in the NRW, but just FKK40 Dietzenbach in Hessen.
ImOffToCollege
01-03-24, 22:47
Better to avoid around Orthodox Easter. NRW is better value than Hessen and closer to border. You can try 6 ens NL on border close to Aachen. Also Penelope, LR and GG. Better to visit from Thursday to Sunday.
What I love in NRW is when girls I chose put off dress, panties, for me in room. So exciting.Sounds like NRW might be worth a try. My trip will be during weekdays but no risk no reward.
I looked at the names of FKKs which are often discussed here - 10 or so in all in NRW / Cologne / Dusseldorf. Samya, Acapulco, Mondial, LivingRoom, Penelope, Goldentime.
Which would you say are the largest venues with the largest lineups? As a NRW beginner, I'm thinking start with the largest as an intro and then go niche later! It's a bit difficult to get comparative impressions from the individual reports!
Sounds like NRW might be worth a try. My trip will be during weekdays but no risk no reward.
I looked at the names of FKKs which are often discussed here - 10 or so in all in NRW / Cologne / Dusseldorf. Samya, Acapulco, Mondial, LivingRoom, Penelope, Goldentime.
Which would you say are the largest venues with the largest lineups? As a NRW beginner, I'm thinking start with the largest as an intro and then go niche later! It's a bit difficult to get comparative impressions from the individual reports!No more Golden Time, but Golden Gate now. Mondial and Prime at cheap. Penelope worth after 7 pm.
I'm only attracted to girls with blue or green eyes (fake colored contacts not included). Call me picky. It appears these types of girls don't come from Romania, which as we know mainly comprise FKKs. I know they exist, but it's usually 1 or 2 choices even in the big clubs. This is only my second trip but I'm judging from trips to Sharks, Oase, and Palace.
What clubs provide the best odds to find a natural blue-eyed blonde?The above is old post, but I realize that OASE 2023 has many Blue-Eyed girls among FKKs I know.
Nadhia, Alina, Amira, Roberta, Myra, Maria, Victoria, Tina, Beatrice, Olivia, Catareena (blue / green) and probably much more I don't know of. All these girls are also quite pretty compared to other clubs in my opinion. IF one likes light-colored eyes, one should definitely visit OASE. All are 100 E /30 min.
ImOffToCollege
01-05-24, 19:44
No more Golden Time, but Golden Gate now. Mondial and Prime at cheap. Penelope worth after 7 pm.Re read the reports (helpful recent reviews from Eryk9021, ShinyCrazy who compared multiple clubs). And it looks like Monday, Tuesday just will not give me best experience for NRW.
I'm thinking to hit Samya Sunday, then make the short drive to Hessen for Monday / Tuesday before flying out.
Just to summarize the research, see below. If I had more days or weekend days, I would have said High Priority. Samya, Babylon. Mid Priority. Acapulco Gold, Living Room, Golden Gate. Next time for me to deep dive into NRW.
Club, City. Lineup Size # (as per review), Entry Px, Basic Px.
LARGE.
Samya, Cologne - 60,70, 50.
MID.
Babylon, Cologne - 25,70, 60.
Living Room, Kaarst - 35,50, 70.
Mondial, Cologne - 20,30, 30.
SixSens, Lemiers - 30,55, 60.
SMALL.
Acapulco Gold, Elsdorf - 12,35, 50.
Golden Gate, Grefrath - 20,70, 100.
Penelope, Castrop - 30,30, 50.
Acapulco Prime, Velbert.
Venus. Hamminkelm.
Oceans, Dusseldorf.
Magnum, Erkrath.
Re read the reports (helpful recent reviews from Eryk9021, ShinyCrazy who compared multiple clubs). And it looks like Monday, Tuesday just will not give me best experience for NRW.
I'm thinking to hit Samya Sunday, then make the short drive to Hessen for Monday / Tuesday before flying out.
Just to summarize the research, see below. If I had more days or weekend days, I would have said High Priority. Samya, Babylon. Mid Priority. Acapulco Gold, Living Room, Golden Gate. Next time for me to deep dive into NRW..We don't have same standards for quality. In NRW on Sunday, I would go to Golden Gate which is the highest quality in NRW and among Germany and even FKK land for me. To avoid if you look for little girls. On Monday, maybe I would try Sharks. On Tuesday, I would stay in bed.
LeyenLouvain
01-06-24, 22:11
Re read the reports (helpful recent reviews from Eryk9021, ShinyCrazy who compared multiple clubs). And it looks like Monday, Tuesday just will not give me best experience for NRW.
I'm thinking to hit Samya Sunday, then make the short drive to Hessen for Monday / Tuesday before flying out.
Just to summarize the research, see below. If I had more days or weekend days, I would have said High Priority. Samya, Babylon. Mid Priority. Acapulco Gold, Living Room, Golden Gate. Next time for me to deep dive into NRW.
Club, City. Lineup Size # (as per review), Entry Px, Basic Px.
Thank you for sharing your research. I think the places under "Small" are not really smaller than the others on the list. Also I think Samya is 60,60,100 and Mondial is 50,30,50.
Babylon is in Elsdorf and Acapulco Gold is in Ratingen (DUS airport).
Thank you for sharing your research. I think the places under "Small" are not really smaller than the others on the list. Also I think Samya is 60,60,100 and Mondial is 50,30,50.
Babylon is in Elsdorf and Acapulco Gold is in Ratingen (DUS airport).Samya is 60,60,50-100. Less popular girls still offer 50/30 min, and popular girls offer 100/30 min.
Also, 60 is the peak number (weekend 9 pm). If you visit on weekday early afternoon, you may see 3-5.
Escape Artist
01-07-24, 02:21
Gold, Penelope, and Oceans wouldn't be considered small for venue or line up sizes. Number of girls have been in the 40-50 girls range at prime hours, although Oceans I wouldn't know for recent years. Twelve girls at Acapulco gold is definitely a bit low unless visiting in the early afternoon.
Living Room is a small venue and might have had a max of 30-40 girls in it's prime days but likely much less than that now.
I don't want to scary you guys, but it seems like the Nordic model (aka the sex purchase ban) is on the radar again in Germany. From what I read no new proposals on the prostitution will happen until a study about prostitution laws in Germany is completed by next year. Don't know what will happen. Hopefully nothing bad will happen. It's stupid that politicians and special interest groups are still trying to introduce the Swedish model despite plenty of evidence that it harms sex workers.
ImOffToCollege
01-08-24, 15:15
Thank you for sharing your research. I think the places under "Small" are not really smaller than the others on the list. Also I think Samya is 60,60,100 and Mondial is 50,30,50.
Babylon is in Elsdorf and Acapulco Gold is in Ratingen (DUS airport).Thanks for feedback gents. Fixing the writeup. Unfortunately LU# size cannot be objective unless you compare on sale exact day, same hour (maybe that's a good project). Also added places which are often discussed here but are shut down.
Thanks Sirioja for recommending Golden Gate. Some day!
Club, City. Lineup Size # (as per review), Entry Px, Basic Px.
LARGE.
Samya, Cologne - 60,70, 50-100.
MID.
Babylon, Elsdorf - 25,70, 60.
Mondial, Cologne - 50,30, 50.
SixSens, Lemiers - 30,55, 60.
Acapulco Gold, Ratingen - 12,35, 50.
Penelope, Castrop - 30,30, 50.
Oceans, Dusseldorf.
SMALL.
Golden Gate, Grefrath - 20,70, 100.
Living Room, Kaarst - 35,50, 70.
Finca Erotica, Dierdorf.
Acapulco Prime, Velbert.
Venus, Hamminkelm.
Magnum, Erkrath.
SHUT DOWN.
Dolce Vita, Raubach.
Bernd's, Schieferhof.
Golden Time, Bruggen.
YinYang, Roermond.
Read all about it here.
https://www.euronews.com/travel/2024/01/22/germany-rail-strikes-train-travel-disruption-to-continue-into-2024
I'm over there this week 25th to Feb. 1st.
Need to get from Dusseldorf airport to Bochum evening of 25th.
Will do taxi if I have to.
Very few buses from that airport.
Any thoughts?
Escape Artist
01-23-24, 13:55
Read all about it here.
https://www.euronews.com/travel/2024/01/22/germany-rail-strikes-train-travel-disruption-to-continue-into-2024
I'm over there this week 25th to Feb. 1st.
Need to get from Dusseldorf airport to Bochum evening of 25th.
Will do taxi if I have to.
Very few buses from that airport.
Any thoughts?Every time I see discussions about transportation when visiting clubs, for most situations I think, "It's Germany, the car capital of the world. Renting a car seems like the better option. ".
My most recent rental, 87 USD for a compact car for 3 days out of Frankfurt. Previous trip, 290 USD for 10 days from Amsterdam with a free upgrade to standard class. The shorter the trip, the less time I want to waste navigating public transit. There was a time when I was parking at Acapulco Gold literally 1 hour from when my plane landed.
Better to avoid around Orthodox Easter. NRW is better value than Hessen and closer to border. You can try 6 ens NL on border close to Aachen. Also Penelope, LR and GG. Better to visit from Thursday to Sunday.
What I love in NRW is when girls I chosse put off dress, panties, for me in room. So exciting.I fucked up a bit, should have checked the calendar. In UK we have Monday the 6th May off so I got my plane ticket and hotels booked for that weekend. Notice it's the orthodox Easter weekend, damn.
What percentage of the females will go home do you think. Do you think all the best ones fuck off and hound dogs stay behind?
I fucked up a bit, should have checked the calendar. In UK we have Monday the 6th May off so I got my plane ticket and hotels booked for that weekend. Notice it's the orthodox Easter weekend, damn.
What percentage of the females will go home do you think. Do you think all the best ones fuck off and hound dogs stay behind?Orthodox easter is the most important for religion for Romanians, I remember Megan who told me going to church with family, Those who made good enough business to afford, should return home.
Still plenty of trains running. I got to bochum quickly.
About business told here, Germany remain by far best value for money, except too expensive little Romanians at Sharks, and also best quality for me, compare to the fall for quality in Switzerland and Austria where Wellcum is only on Italians level, Italians don t kiss, tell girls, even I found a really good kisser on my single visit on 2023.3 visits at Globe on 2023 and 0 room, fall for Freubad compare to great Summer 2022 . In Germany, I still find really high level girls for 100 to 150 per 60 , as a foreigner. When level of Romanians fell for me, but I found more GFE Germans. Still good for me and better than escorts now in Paris where also fall for quality.
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02-03-24, 22:45
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Mathias037
02-03-24, 22:51
Who is pushing this model in Germany?
I don't want to scary you guys, but it seems like the Nordic model (aka the sex purchase ban) is on the radar again in Germany. From what I read no new proposals on the prostitution will happen until a study about prostitution laws in Germany is completed by next year. Don't know what will happen. Hopefully nothing bad will happen. It's stupid that politicians and special interest groups are still trying to introduce the Swedish model despite plenty of evidence that it harms sex workers.
Neurosynth
02-03-24, 22:55
Why does the administrator not delete such posts? It has nothingbto do with subject of the forum.I won't opine on the degree to which fascism is growing in Germany, but local unrest can seriously impact tourists. Safety is a legitimate concern on this board, and things in Germany have gotten worse.
For not tourist in mind who refuse to be fucked by average dacia at Sharks and who don t need Globe rules to manage with girls, Atlanta, Magnum with HH before 6 pm and Castrop are should be best values for money, with some looks who would be the prettiest at Globe, at least in Rhur.
Has anyone been to the FLL Saunaclub in Leipzig, if so opinion? I could be going to that city. I can't find any reports.
How about Nuremburg, I am more likely to be going there, any FXX recommendations there? There seems to be quite a few there. I could be there as early as Thursday next week. Thanks.
Has anyone been to the FLL Saunaclub in Leipzig, if so opinion? I could be going to that city. I can't find any reports.You mean https://www.fkk-leipzig.com, I suppose?
Never been there myself. A few years ago it was part of a group consisting of FKK World, Mainhattan and Finca. I have no idea if that is still the case, but that could indicate something (?).
FWIW: Local forums report about a small FKK club which is dead in daytime and with perhaps 10+ girls in the evening. Mostly in the age group 30+ and no top optics. A lot of upselling. Quotes given in the last 12 months in the range of 100- 200 E /30 and 100- 250 E /60 for a GFE-session. I am guessing most girls will accept 100 E /30 and 150- 200 E /60 like in Hessen. Club is clean. Free beer. Horrible food. Unfriendly staff.
It does not sound promising. ISG could certainly need an update on this club, but asking you to TOFTT is perhaps asking too much?
You mean https://www.fkk-leipzig.com, I suppose?
Never been there myself. A few years ago it was part of a group consisting of FKK World, Mainhattan and Finca. I have no idea if that is still the case, but that could indicate something (?).
FWIW: Local forums report about a small FKK club which is dead in daytime and with perhaps 10+ girls in the evening. Mostly in the age group 30+ and no top optics. A lot of upselling. Quotes given in the last 12 months in the range of 100- 200 E /30 and 100- 250 E /60 for a GFE-session. I am guessing most girls will accept 100 E /30 and 150- 200 E /60 like in Hessen. Club is clean. Free beer. Horrible food. Unfriendly staff.
It does not sound promising. ISG could certainly need an update on this club, but asking you to TOFTT is perhaps asking too much?Thanks Shark16, If I go I will. But as today has gone on it's looking more like Nuremberg or Munich. I think Hawaii is highly rated in Inglostadt.
it's looking more like Nuremberg or Munich. I think Hawaii is highly rated in Inglostadt.Never been there. I have too many prejudices against Bavaria clubs (notoriously infamous for their upselling). FKK Hawaii market itself as the biggest FKK club in Bavaria. https://fkk-hawaii.de/.
Local reports are mixed. 15- 25 girls with GFE sessions from 70 E /30. But with A LOT of upselling. You need to be very selective (or lucky) or a regular to get 70E GFE-sessions. 2023 reports were promising, but the 2024 reports make it sound like a club in trouble. They are saving on everything. Showers in the lockers room not functioning (have not been working for months). Massage room also not working. Food reduced to a minimum (and nothing after 11 pm). Entrance fee was as high as 80 E, but with a lot of promotions (presently at 55 E, I think).
It would be helpful to have above assumptions verified or corrected. Are you TOFTT?
Never been there. I have too many prejudices against Bavaria clubs (notoriously infamous for their upselling). FKK Hawaii market itself as the biggest FKK club in Bavaria. https://fkk-hawaii.de/.
Local reports are mixed. 15- 25 girls with GFE sessions from 70 E /30. But with A LOT of upselling. You need to be very selective (or lucky) or a regular to get 70E GFE-sessions. 2023 reports were promising, but the 2024 reports make it sound like a club in trouble. They are saving on everything. Showers in the lockers room not functioning (have not been working for months). Massage room also not working. Food reduced to a minimum (and nothing after 11 pm). Entrance fee was as high as 80 E, but with a lot of promotions (presently at 55 E, I think).
It would be helpful to have above assumptions verified or corrected. Are you TOFTT?I went to this club once a long time ago but did not session. Which was a shame given how far away from the center of Munich it is. I can't speak to the rooms since I didn't session, but otherwise I remember a club that was clean and spacious enough. It had an open, remodeled warehouse kind of feel to it. Food was mediocre. There were maybe 15 to 20 Romanian girls with the exact same look. Tanned skin and jet black hair. I go for that look, but I had already fucked that the night before and really wanted something different. I hung around for a few hours. Nibbled on some food. Had a few drinks. Chatted up a few tutes. Decided to leave and never return! Too far away in the middle of nowhere for a tourist monger to take another chance on FKK Hawaii. And that was my experience with this club well before COVID. As for many clubs, sounds like those may have been better times for FKK Hawaii.
Never been there. I have too many prejudices against Bavaria clubs (notoriously infamous for their upselling). FKK Hawaii market itself as the biggest FKK club in Bavaria. https://fkk-hawaii.de/.
Local reports are mixed. 15- 25 girls with GFE sessions from 70 E /30. But with A LOT of upselling. You need to be very selective (or lucky) or a regular to get 70E GFE-sessions. 2023 reports were promising, but the 2024 reports make it sound like a club in trouble. They are saving on everything. Showers in the lockers room not functioning (have not been working for months). Massage room also not working. Food reduced to a minimum (and nothing after 11 pm). Entrance fee was as high as 80 E, but with a lot of promotions (presently at 55 E, I think).
It would be helpful to have above assumptions verified or corrected. Are you TOFTT?Thanks, again, Sharks16. I am deliberating. I was also alerted to two clubs just over the border in Austria. Atlantis is one of the two that looks better and a bit nearer than the other. Choices, choices. I will only have one night so need to make my mind up as trip is next week.
Thanks, again, Sharks16. I am deliberating. I was also alerted to two clubs just over the border in Austria. Atlantis is one of the two that looks better and a bit nearer than the other. Choices, choices. I will only have one night so need to make my mind up as trip is next week.I've always found Colosseum better than Hawaii. Small no food but decent rates. Low upsell. On the plus side, at Hawaii I had the best lady ever in any club back some years ago. German girl with blond braids and abs that a Greek god would be jealous of.
But Mystic in Salzburg is a gem. Beats all the other clubs in the area. It's on the border- technically over the border and in the parking lot is a Bordello.
Anyway. Go.
I've always found Colosseum better than Hawaii. Small no food but decent rates. Low upsell. On the plus side, at Hawaii I had the best lady ever in any club back some years ago. German girl with blond braids and abs that a Greek god would be jealous of.
But Mystic in Salzburg is a gem. Beats all the other clubs in the area. It's on the border- technically over the border and in the parking lot is a Bordello..Mystic casting is higher potential than at Atlantis close to Kitzbühel where I really liked Megan elegance.
TankTank123
02-29-24, 10:46
I've always found Colosseum better than Hawaii. Small no food but decent rates. Low upsell. On the plus side, at Hawaii I had the best lady ever in any club back some years ago. German girl with blond braids and abs that a Greek god would be jealous of.
I had almost the same experience about 5 years ago, when I was visiting Colosseum often and had some favourites there. But in just one and only visit to Hawaii at that time, I had the most unforgettable time with a fit, slender and very beautiful German girl called Caroline, who dominated and raped me (although that is not really my thing). There was also another beauty called Erica, who was a Romanian, but she could not compare with Caroline.
But Mystic in Salzburg is a gem. Beats all the other clubs in the area.Hehe ... It seems I am the only with bad experiences at Mystic. I hate that club! Anyways, Tintin is the Bavaria / Northern Austria expert among us. That should mean something.
Abox,
If you choose to go to Mystic, then I suggest you read the Mystic thread of ISG. It's easy to read with some insights. Beware of upselling. Take notes of girls with bad reputation.
Have fun!
- S16.
Milfotronic
03-02-24, 15:48
I'm curious, which FKK has most black beauties / WGs?
I'm curious, which FKK has most black beauties / WGs?I've never been to any FKK that had a significant number of black providers, and I've been to a lot of them. There have always been easily less than a handful (1 or 2 maybe), if any at all. If you want black chicks then FKKs are not the place. Have you considered Dubai, the Dominican Republic or Brazil? Those seem to be the best places for black providers outside of Africa based on my own travels and observations. Or, go to Africa itself.
I'm curious, which FKK has most black beauties / WGs?At the moment, I would say Oase on Saturday evening with Tanzanian Jeni, Bella and others. Usually, some at Babylon Elsdorf NRW.
Can the entry to clubs be paid by card? (Particularly the RTC clubs).
I understand the girls cannot.
Thanks.
Hehe ... It seems I am the only with bad experiences at Mystic. I hate that club! Anyways, Tintin is the Bavaria / Northern Austria expert among us. That should mean something.
Abox,
If you choose to go to Mystic, then I suggest you read the Mystic thread of ISG. It's easy to read with some insights. Beware of upselling. Take notes of girls with bad reputation.
Have fun!
- S16."Mystic".
If you really want to get a decent list then usually one of the German language forums is best. The Austrian Erotikforum has the most details. Lusthaus will have occasional burst of current info. Also if you don't have a car make sure you have Uber app and / or be nice to the girl at the front desk and ask her to call you a taxi home!
Can the entry to clubs be paid by card? (Particularly the RTC clubs).
I understand the girls cannot.
Thanks.In Switzerland, Austria, at Oase and at GG.
I've never been to any FKK that had a significant number of black providers, and I've been to a lot of them. There have always been easily less than a handful (1 or 2 maybe), if any at all.Agreed. Her is an update from last week: 1 at Sharks, 4- 5 Africans + 1 latina at Oase, and zero at World. It can vary a bit from day to day, but a general feeling is that there are usually no more than 0- 3 black girls at the major Hessen clubs.
I was there on Thursday afternoon. Here are the pros and cons.
Pros.
1 a true FKK, the girls wear nothing but their high heels.
2 the girls are top notch, on paar with Sharks.
3 the wellness might be the best in the NRW. They even a jacuzzi indoors, which is a genuine unicorn since the Nord Stream fiasco.
4 the front desk is still touting 50/30, true or not.
5 mostly Dutch bears, a friendly group in the sauna.
Cons.
1 this is a non-approach club, I didn't see a single provider approach a bear.
2 they are stingy about towels.
3 the music isn't good.
4 a small lineup, maybe 12 girls.
5 the girls took very little interest in the 10-12 bears in the club.
6 you shouldn't have to run game on pros. If they are difficult on the couches, the room isn't going to get any better.
I might revisit on a Friday / Saturday night to see if the vibe is different.
For now, I'm moving on to GG.
Small Lucifer. De, now little mum, still on business, where she started long time ago.
UShobbyist
03-25-24, 13:41
Agreed. Her is an update from last week: 1 at Sharks, 4- 5 Africans + 1 latina at Oase, and zero at World. It can vary a bit from day to day, but a general feeling is that there are usually no more than 0- 3 black girls at the major Hessen clubs.Among Hessen big 5, there is no black girl in FKK Palace, FKK Mainhattan and FKK World. There is only one black girl in FKK Sharks. There is another one in FKK Oase.
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