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Hi, I plan to visit FKK from Feb 1 to Feb 5. Is that a period of the big fair at Messe? When will be the period of Messe? What is Messe all about? Please advise.
I am a fan of DATY (eat pussy), but still unsure about the safetyness of this activity. I heard DATY is pretty safe (much safer than fuck without using a condom, or nearly as safe as fuck using condom). Any comments?
Thanks a lot.
BB, you have asked the DATY question before and you got some good answers. Shiatsu even gave you a link to a very good site about STDs. There is also a seperate section about this kind of topic on the board.
Now, we are all for helping each other and giving answers, but don't push the same issue over and over again.
As far as I know, there is no messe going on during your stay. Go to http://www.messefrankfurt.com and do a search to be sure.
Chivaz
Now, I know this is not the Spanish board, but comparision between the two is interesting as these are the two scenes I rate above any other I've checked out in W-Europe
CGBG, you are right that if you compare regluar fuck between FKK and Spanish bar scene (like Riviera), then FKK are a bit less expensive (50e vs. 60-80e). But when you factor in the entrance fee it comes out pretty even. Then again you have the free drinks and even food in most FKKs.
If you are a fan for CIM or/and anal, then the Spanish scene is much cheaper as you usually negotiate those parts into the price, and as you have a lot of girls from SA working the spanish "bars" you have no problem finding girls that will. I have never had a girl up the price for these services at the Spanish "suburb bars/clubs", either they allow it or not.
Although I like the FKKs better for their fixed price structure and amneties (pool, sauna, steam bath etc.). The bar scene can however be fun, picking up a "clothed" girl, undressing her etc. but I don't like the negotiation part.
Peter: There are far more than two clubs in the Madrid region, even if we talk about main clubs. I can remember at least 5 or 6 rather big clubs with 20-80 girls lineup any day within 40km radius of Madrid. From the top of my head: Flowers Park, Avion, Factory Air, Vaji / Herradura, Mirrador, Lovely. And then somewhat similar clubs (although usually more expensive) within the city limits such as Hot, Pigmalion, Chelsea, ChelseaII....
Chivaz
Member #4170
01-14-06, 22:11
It is not correct in my humble opinion to compare the like of the Riviera club in Barcelona to the FKK clubs like World or Oase, The Riviera type of club is great for a quick session, maybe two, no longer then that as there is nowhere to sit and relax between sessions, it is hard to talk to the girls because of the noise, the price of the overall experaince at FKKs is much better value, BTW I most add that I think the Rivera has the best lineup of girls anywhere in the world, with FKK world and Oase coming a close second.
Irishpussyman
Chivaz,
I agree that after Germany, Spain and Czech republic have the best club scenes in Europe.
In Spain you can negotiate 60-70 Euro sessions with CIM and anal included. There's no entrance fee, but the drinks are really pricey.
In the Madrid area don't forget Viva Madrid which is right in the city (Tetuan area) and has the best and hottest selection of women on the continent. Lots of luscious Brazilians..yum...It's pricey, but you save the taxi fare out to FP or FA.
Personally, these would be my preferences:
Oase: best on a Weds (double-six night!) and Friday.
World: Best on Sat and Sun Glucksraad - Spin Wheel for prizes and entry gift
Palace: Best on Thurs and Friday; and I really like Palace on Sundays too!
Not sure whether or not this will be your first visit to a FKK but, if it is, I suggest you avoid the "dessous party" nights where girls are not nuded, but wear lingerie (well, for me, the first visit "waooohhhh" factor is much bigger with nuded girls).
Dessous party is Wednesday in Palace, and Thursday in Oase. Don't know for World.
Member #4170
01-17-06, 01:16
Personally, these would be my preferences:
Oase: best on a Weds (double-six night!) and Friday.
World: Best on Sat and Sun Glucksraad - Spin Wheel for prizes and entry gift
Palace: Best on Thurs and Friday; and I really like Palace on Sundays too!Ortos.
I would have to agree with a lot of what you have to say.
I was at Oase on Wed the 4th Jan and Fri 6 the line up was Very Good, (Hannah what a stunna) as Friday was my last night of a six night trip decided to greedy and head over to World at about 9.30pm, had been in oase since 5pm, and was less then impressed with the amount of girls, also very few guys, Denise (Tall blonde, fab large breasts, lots of tats)was there so I was happy enough, had been with her early in the week and had a greet session.
I went to Palace on New years night and thought the line up was crap, first problem was trying to find one that was worth doing out of the 15 that were there,( they only told me it was light on girls after I had handed over my money) after sometime looking aound the best looking of the bunch started to talk to me, blonde Russian medium breasts, off we went to Kino where after light kissing no DFK she started to put condom on for oral when I questioned about OWO she told me that she does this but I quote ''YOUR COOK IT SMELLS. MAYBE NEXT TIME'' I had showered that morning before flying to Frankfurt, after checking into hotel and after undressing at the club. This is the first time anything like this has every happened to me in all my visits to Oase, World and the late great Atlantis.
Might give it another go at the weekend. It would have to ne much better then last time or it will be off my list for ever.
Thanks again.
Dessous at World is Tuesday
I am giving this information in advance because I though any good advice before our trip might result with a better report.
We are going to be travelling to Germany beginning of February for 5 nights. It is going to be very little business but a lot of mongering.
We will be staying in Berlin for two nights. We are possibly going to be visiting ARTEMIS one night and maybe a SWC just because we have never been to one. I am sure we are going to add a few more stops in Berlin.
Afterwards three nights in Frankfurt. we will visit the three big FKK and probably check out a few other places hoping we can find a hidden gem somewhere.
We are working on a detailed Excel sheet where we store all the information for the places we might visit, combined with a summary of general comments we come accross most.
So far in our excel sheet we have 2 massage clubs, 4 MP, 4 Red Ligt Apartments, 3 Table Dance club, 3 SWC and 5 FKK. we know that it is not possible for us to visit all these places but our priority will be the FKKs.
to give you an idea I have written down the names. The detailed addresses and comments will be on the excel sheet.
MP:
DIE EXTRAKLASSE
ANJAMA TANTRA MASSAGE
RLA
ROTES HAUS
BABES BANDE AGENTUR
ROYAL GIRL
FREUDENHAUS HASE
TD
GOLDEN GATE
TOLLHAUS SOLID GOLD
PURE PLATINUM
SW
ZÜGELLOS (TRIEBWERK)
FRİ-VOLİ
PAERCHEN CLUB LEGERES
PAERCHEN CLUB SCHIEDEL
ADVENTURE
FKK
OASE
WORLD
PALACE
ARTEMIS
ATLANTIK
From this list (leave aside the FKKs we will visit them all :D ) Which ones do you think stands out. Appreciate your comments.
Hi Yupi,
Sounds like a fun trip you have coming. I am probably not gonna give you the answer you're looking for, but with only 3 days in Frankfurt, I would fuck until my lights go out in the 3 big FKKs and skip the rest.
As for Berlin, I would probably check out some of the privats there, but only after checking out Artemis. I know the reports from Artemis here have been pretty negative so far, but there was a very detailed and good report from a pretty experienced FKK monger on another board and he gives the club thumbs up. A few weeks ago there was a great series of reports in the Berlin thread about few of the privats.
Chivaz
I forgot to ask something...a FKK newbie question.
I keep on seeing and reading the swimming pool, hamams etc at these FKK. do they really get used. I mean, for instance does people really utilize these stuff or is it more like, go in hang around and pick the girl?
And if they are used do you think the swimming pool, hot tub etc are properly taken care of for hygenic stuff?
CBGBConnisur
01-18-06, 18:04
Yupi, honestly don't waste your time in Berlin, although it can be an interesting city. The best sex is in the NRW(Bonn Dusseldorf Cologne Aachen) and Frankfurt
Au Main. There are a couple of good clubs in Bavaria,but in general most of the good clubs are in NRW or Frankfurt.
Hi Yupi,
The swimming pools do not get much use, but every know and then you see somebody doing laps. The outside pool at World is used quite a bit in the summer. I think they are taken care of in terms of hygenic stuff but I really don't know, but as all guests take showers anyways, I am guessing the pools are much cleaner than f.ex. your average holiday resort pool.
The hot tubs, saunas and steambaths are used quite a lot.
Chivaz
Yupi:
Last time I was at World (Dec. 2005) I just about put up a mailbox next to the jacuzzi.
whitey2
I would suggest you visit La Folie while in Berlin. Not quite a FKK but I usually find some spectacular looking girls there. For some reason, not many of the girls speak English.
CBGBConnisur
01-19-06, 18:11
Most East Germans rarely speak English in my experience. One Camilla Dee, an escort agency and brothel has plenty of fine women. But overall, Berlin is a waste of time it reminded me of the four outer boroughs of New York City filled with modest apartment buildings and a very blue collar feel, the best action can be found in Frankfurt and the NRW, personally my preference is more to the NRW. The big clubs in Frankfurt are a sight to see but service in the smaller establishments is often much better. I was delighted to run into Margherita of DV in Dusseldorf almost five years after meeting her in the summer of 2001.
Johnny Darko
01-19-06, 19:43
Chivas,
Excuse my ignorance but what do you mean by NRW? Can you explain which regions are you exactly referring to?
JD
Warsteiner
01-19-06, 20:47
NRW - Nordrhein Westfalen, which is the Dusseldorf/Cologne area.
Chivas,
Excuse my ignorance but what do you mean by NRW? Can you explain which regions are you exactly referring to?
JD
Nordrhein-Westfalen (North Rhine-Westphalia) , the largest in population among Germany's 16 federal states. The cities of Dusseldorf (captal of the area), Koln, Bonn, Essen, Dortmund, Duisburg and Bochum (to name a few) all belong to this area.
I believe this area has most number of FKKs. The Frankfurt area clubs are however bigger. Routard has made a pretty good comparision of NRW vs. Frankfurt clubs here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=388104&postcount=941
Chivaz
CBGBConnisur
01-21-06, 02:18
The NRW does have the greatest concentration of FKK clubs in Germany, far more than Franfkurt. Hamburg is practically dry, except for one overrated establishment. Kaleu used to have a very comprehensive list which is no longer online. There's another guy who has an fkk directory, and there is one in German.
Thaks for the info everyone… the date is getting closer and we are getting more and more excited about this trip. From your advices, we might stay in the Berlin area for one day and if we think thay is enough we can extend our visit to one night in Dusseldorf before going to Frankfurt …in Berlin we are planning a day time visit to the sex museum (I can use advice on that also) afterwards a visit to Artemis plus one more pick (probably: La Folie)
Another posibility which my friends wants is instead of the second day in Berlin, lets go to the Amsterdam and stay there. Because everyone says that that is the place where we can find a nice sex show. But we couldnt decide if it would be worth the 6 hour drive (what one can do for sex is very interesting :D )
Yupi, Amsterdam is a great city, but do not go there for the sex shows. They are utterly boring, the only fun I have had at an Amsterdam sex show was to get pissed drunk in Casa Rosso. The show sucked, but the I was having fun beeing obnoxiously drunk (which is a rare thing for me, hence all the fun). The city is great though IMHO.
If you guys are doing this trip to explore the different levels of P4P, from sex shows to real GFE, then of course you are going through the whole quality spectrum. For me it is a waste of time as I have not found anything that is better than the FKKs, but then I have already taken the journy through the trash as well, and looking back there was of course some fun in that to, so maybe you should just go with your own instincts. WTF, why not even drop by a sex kino in Berlin and have a sleezy encounter there :-)
Chivaz
"lets go to the Amsterdam and stay there. Because everyone says that that is the place where we can find a nice sex show. "
Sex shows in Amsterdam are artificial. You see actual sex between actors who are engaging in mechanical sex. Wouldn't you rather see real sex where at least one of the participants is really into it? Go to the kino in any of the three big Frankfurt clubs. That will blow away anything in Amsterdam. Maybe you can sit right next to them instead of being in row 20 or 40 in an auditorium. If you are lucky maybe you will see a 3-some.
SobeLizard
01-23-06, 01:20
Hi All,
I am planning to visit the FKK in May.
Is anybody interested in getting together to do a few days of tour?
CBGBConnisur
01-23-06, 03:11
The Amsterdam sex shows are not what they are hyped to be, I saw one a few years ago, during my first trip there. The action in an FKK will blow anything in Amsterdam away. It costs about 50EUR to enter one of those shows, and its just a novelty. I believe some places in Germany have shows like this as well. I am sure you can find something like it in Berlin. The nightlife in some German cities including Berlin make New York City look like a church picnic.
Yupi, Amsterdam is a great city, but do not go there for the sex shows. They are utterly boring, the only fun I have had at an Amsterdam sex show was to get pissed drunk in Casa Rosso. The show sucked, but the I was having fun beeing obnoxiously drunk (which is a rare thing for me, hence all the fun). The city is great though IMHO.
If you guys are doing this trip to explore the different levels of P4P, from sex shows to real GFE, then of course you are going through the whole quality spectrum. For me it is a waste of time as I have not found anything that is better than the FKKs, but then I have already taken the journy through the trash as well, and looking back there was of course some fun in that to, so maybe you should just go with your own instincts. WTF, why not even drop by a sex kino in Berlin and have a sleezy encounter there :-)
ChivazDear Chivaz,
Hello. I am the friend of Yupi whom will be together during our exciting visit. I want to ask you a question about an FKK ambience. Does generally the cinemas in FKKs are used. If we want to, can we have the session in the cinema instead of the room. Or are the cinemas only the starting places of the action. You told that if we are lucky we can watch a threesome in the cinema. Is it the session or just the beginning?
Thank you.
Allow me to preface the eventual response by Chivaz with this:
As far as FKK kinos go: These can be full action places. By far the best FKK kinos rooms I've been too are: Palace and Oase. Both kinos are places to retreat to if you want to both watch and participate in foreplay, before going to the room. I like Palace Kino alot for looking and participating. You can just lie there and let the girls come to you and start fondling you and trying to turn you on. Just know that if you allow the foreplay to get as far as bbbj, then you are more or less session-committed.
Alternatively, you can actually have a full session in the kino. Both Oase and Palace, esp. on busy weekend/Messe-zeit nights, have alot of full sessions going on in their respective kino rooms.
The kino is one of the most under-rated erotic elements of the overall FKK-experience, in my opinion...
I've seen and experienced some really "geil" times in these rooms...
Ortos
Hi Geehut,
When you enter the kino at Oase, especially during friday or saturday night, I would say you have about 75% change of seeing some good action. What kind of action? Here is a good example: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=258288&postcount=242
(note that later I found out they were actually not sisters, but still did look a lot like each other)
Chivaz
For 5 years I was spoiled as a military contractor stationed occasionally at Rhein Main base, as I had easy access to the Palace and Oase. On my next trip in February/March, they are sending me to Heidelberg and Kaiserslautern. I must admit to not having paid any attention to things south of Frankfurt.
Are there any equivalent FKK experiences? Do I need to drive all the way back up to Frankfurt? Any help appreciated!!
Mark User
Well, there are a few places that are ok. One that is outstanding is Colosseum in Augsburg. It compares to Oase and FKKW, and is a lot like the old Atlantis.
euro
The Augsberg I found on the map doesn't look very close to Heidelberg. I might as well drive up to Palace. As I said, I don't know the "whole country" geography very well, so I appreciate the suggestion. It just doesn't look that close.
Mark,
There is a basic concept that you are perhaps overlooking, namely: There must be dozens of other guys who used to be in the Rhein-Main area but are now re-posted to Heidelberg. For sure, when you arrive at your new posting, you will meet lots of other guys who have already done the research and will be able to point you in the right direction. I actually know one guy, who was at the Ray Barracks area for about a year and half, during which time he was a frequent visitor to World and Oase and Palace. About 3 or 4 months ago, he was posted down to where you are going. He has found good alternatives accessible from Heidelberg and so will you. (Btw, if you want to contact him in advance, PM me and I will give you the correct contact info, as I know he often helps other "lost soul refugees from FFM..."
List of German FKK Clubs by Area
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Here is a complete up to date list of FKK clubs, with a working homepage. If you find any faults, please correct me if something wrong is.
Northern Germany(Hamburg)
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FKK-Bergedorf, Hamburg-Bergedorf
Brookkehre 3,21029 Bergedorf
Entry : 40 €, Happy Hour=25 € on Wed 15-20,Fri 18-22,Sat13-01
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Open:Mon-Sun 13-01
http://www.fkk-bergedorf.de/
Club Atmos, Hamburg-Harburg
Gross Mooring 1, 21079 Hamburg
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 30 €
Open:Mon-Sun 13-04
http://www.atmos-saunaclub.de/
FKK 125, Hamburg-Poppenbuttel
Saseler Chaussee 125, 22393 Hamburg
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Open:Mon-Sun 12-01
http://www.fkk-125-hh.de/
Lower Saxony
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FKK Villa, Hannover
Am Tonnesberg 1, 30453 Hannover
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: Anal 50 €
Open:11-03 Every day
http://www.fkk-villa.de
FKK-Zeus, Osnabrück
Otto Lillienstrasse 3, 49134 Wallenhorst
Entry : 30 €
30 min: 70 €
60 min: 120 €
90 min: 170 €
Extras: 50 € FT
Open:10-24, When party: 10-02
http://www.fkk-zeus.de/
Eastern Germany(Brandenburg & Saxony)
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La Folie, Berlin
Kaiser-Friedrich-Strasse 63, 10627 Berlin
Entry: 13 €, incl. 1 Drink
30 min: 70 €
60 min: 140 €
Getränke: Beer 3 €, Wodka-Lemon 5 €, Piccolo 17 €
Extras: Party costs 80 €
http://www.la-folie.de
FKK-Artemis, Berlin
Halenseestraße 32-36, 10711 BERLIN
Entry : 70€
30 min: 60 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: 50 € FT, 100 € Anal
Open : 11-5
http://www.fkk-artemis.de
FKK & Saunaclub Europa, Leipzig
Essener Str. 27a, 04129 Leipzig
Entry : 40 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
http://www.fkk-europa.de/
Western Germay(North Rhein-Westphalia & Saarland)
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Haus 408, Gütersloh
Verler Straße 408,33334 Gütersloh
Entry : 10 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 € incl. FT
Getränke: 0 € Non-Alk
Extras: Red Carpet club ??
Open:Mo-Do 11-01,Fri 11-05,Sat 15-05,Sun 15-01
http://www.haus-408.de
Park Schloss Dali, Bredeler
Madfelder Strasse 2, 34431 Marsberg
Entry : 60 €
30 min: 35 €
60 min: 70 €
Extras: Sleep over for 75 €
Open:14- ??
http://www.parkschlossdali.de/
Blue Note, Düsseldorf
Rather Broich 9, 40472 Düsseldorf
Entry : 55 €
30 min: 30 €
60 min: 60 €
Extras: 30 € FT
Open: Mon-Thu 11-01, Fri-Sat 11-02, Sun 11-24
http://www.saunabluenote.de/
Dolce Vita, Düsseldorf
Briedestrasse 44 40599 Düsseldorf-Reisholz
Entry : 0 € (25 € If you don´t go with a girl)
20 min: 70 €
40 min: 95 €
60 min: 120 €
Extras: Happy Hour 11-14 50 € for 20 min
http://www.fkkdolcevita.de
FKK Tropicana, Dusseldorf/Erkrath-Unterfeldhaus
H. Hertzstrasse 24a, 40699 Erkrath
Entry : 25 € (Only if you don`t go with a girl)
20 min: 65 €
40 min: 99 €
60 min: 129€
Open:Mon-Fri 10-01, Sat-Sun 10-03
http://www.saunaclub-tropicana.de/
Parksauna Wildenrath
Heinsberger Strasse 35, 41844 Wildenrath/Wegberg
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 25 €
60 min: 50 €
Extras: 25 € FO & 25 € FT
Open:Mo-Sa 10-04, Su 17-02
http://www.parksauna-wildenrath.de
Golden Time, Brüggen
Heidweg 1 41379 Bruggen
Entry : 50€
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 €
Extras: 25 € FT, 50 € Anal
Open: Mon-Sat 11-01 Sun 15-01
http://www.goldentime.de
Fkk Cocoon
Mollenkotten 243,42279 Wuppertal
Entry : 50 €
20 min: 25 €
40 min: 50 €
Extras: 10 € FO, 25 € FT
Open: Mon-Fri 10-03, Sat-Sun 12-03
http://www.fkk-cocoon.de/
FKK-Club Aplerbeck
Aplerbecker Bahnhofstrasse 5, 44287 Dort***d/Aplerbeck
Entry : 35€
20 min: 25€
40 min: ?
Open : 10-24
http://www.fkk-aplerbeck.de
FKK La Bouche
Parkstrasse 16, 44532 Lünen
Entry: ??
30 min: ??
60 min: ??
Open:sun-thu 12-01,Fri-sat 12-04
http://www.fkk-la-bouche.de
FKK Amnesia
Westring 233A,44579 Castrop-Rauxel
Entry: 50 €
30 min: ?
60 min: ?
Open: 10-03, sat-sun 12-03
http://www.fkk-amnesia.de/
FKK-Club Arabella
Lohrheidestrasse 63 44866 Bochum-Wattenscheid
Entry : 35 €
20 min: 25 €
40 min: 40 €
Extras:+20 €
Open: 10-24
http://www.fkk-arabella.de/
Fkk Club Paradiso, Bochum-Hamme
Freudenbergstrasse 39, 44809 Bochum-Hamme
Entry: 30 €
30 min:25 €
60 min: ?
Open: Mon-Sat 10-24
http://www.freude39.de
Fkk Heavensgate, Dorsten
Swebenring 36, 46286 Dorsten
Entry: 35 €
20 min: 25 €
60 min: 75 €
Extras: 10 € FO, 25 € FT
Open:10-04
http://www.fkk-heavensgate.de/
Planet Happy Garden (PHG), Oedt
Butzenstrasse 41 ,47918 Tonisvort
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 25 €
60 min: 50 €
Extras: 25 € FO, 25 € CIM, 50 € Anal
Open:11-01, Sun 13-01
http://www.planet-happy-garden.info
FKK Club Babylon, Elsdorf
Oststrasse 12,50189 Elsdorf
Tel 02274-905588
Hours Mon - Sat 12-23
Fri 12-1 Closed Sundays
Entry :30€
30 min: 80 € 1. Nummer 2. Nummer 65 €
60 min: 145 €
Extras: FT inclusive wenn das Mädel es im Programm hat
http://www.babylon-wiago.de/
Fkk Pascha, Koln
Hornstr. 2, 50823 Köln
Entry:100 € (inclunding 30 min action)
30 min: 0 €
60 min: ? €
24 hour open
http://www.pascha-fkk.de/
Sudbad, Köln
Mathias Bruggen Strasse 12, 50827 Koln(Bickendorf)
Eintritt: 50 €
30 Min: 50 €
60 Min: 100 €
Open:13- ?
http://www.sudbad.de/
Samya, Köln-Rodenkirchen
Kirschbaumweg 26 a, 50996 Köln-Rodenkirchen
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 €
Extras: 25 € FT
http://www.samya.de/
Wiago, Leverkusen
Julius-Doms-Strasse 12,51373 Leverkusen
Entry : 40 €
20 min: 45 €
40 min: 90 €
Open : Mo-Sa 16-03
Http://www.babylon-wiago.de
FkK-Burg, Bonn
Im Burgacker 45,53123 Bonn-Duisdorf
Eintritt: 30 €
20 min: 40 €
40 min: 80 €
60 min: 120€
Extras: 30 €
Open: ?
http://www.fkk-burg.de/
Bernds Sauna Club, Hennef-Lichtenberg
Schieferhof 28, 53773 Hennef-Lichtenberg
Eintritt: 70 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Open:Mon-Thu 13-24, Fri 13-01
http://www.bernds-sauna-club.de/
FKK Calygula, Hennef-Michelshohn
Gut Michelshorn, 53773 Hennef/Sieg
Entry : 25 €
30 min: 75 €
60 min: 140€
http://www.fkk-club-calygula.de/
FKK 214, Saarbrücken
Luisenthaler Strasse 214, 66155 Saarbrücken-Burbach
Entry : 55 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100€
Extras: FO 25€
Open:Mon-Fri 11-02, Sat-Son 18-01
http://www.fkk-saarbruecken.com/
Hessen Area
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FKK World, Pohlheim
Grüninger Weg, 35415 Pohlheim-Garbenteich
Entry : 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras:FT 50 €
Open:Sun-Thu 10-04 Fri-sat 10-05
http://www.fkk-world.de/
Sauna-World, Görgeshausen
Brunnenstr. 15, 56412 Görgeshausen
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €
Open: 11-04
http://www.sauna-world.info/cms/index.php
Fkk Palace, Frankfurt-Hausen
Königsbergerstr. 23, 60487 Frankfurt / M - Hausen (City)
Eintritt: 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €;
Open: 10-04
http://www.fkk-palace.de/
Fkk Malibu, Nidderau-Heldenbergen
Siemensstraße 36, 61130 Nidderau-Heldenbergen
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €Extras: FT 50 €, Tuesday:Dessous-night
Open: 10-04
http://www.fkk-malibu.de/
Fkk-Oase, Burgholzhausen
Ober-Erhlenbacher Strasse 109, 61381 Friedrichdorf-Burgholzhausen
Entry : 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €; AV 100€
http://www.fkk-oase.de/
Dietzenbach "DerALDI"
Voltastrasse 4,63128 Dietzenbach
Entry : 10 € (+30 €if you don't go with a girl)
30 Min: 50 €
60 Min: ?
Extras: Anal und FT 50 €
Open: 11-24
http://www.fkk-40.de/index2.html
FKK Atlantik - Hanau
Oderstrasse 10, Industriegebiet Nord, 63452 Hanau
Entry : 55 €
30 min : 50 €
60 min : 100 €
Extras : FT 50 €, VIP Card 5*Entry = 220 €
Open:Sun-Thu 10-03, Fri-Sat 10-05
http://www.atlantik-fkk.de
Souther Germany(Bayern & Baden-Wurtemberg)
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FKK Stuttgart, Stuttgart
Marienstrasse 38b, 70178 Stuttgart
Entry : 55 €
30 min: 55 €
60 min: 110 €
Extras: 25 € FT, 25 € Anal
http://www.fkk-stuttgart.de/
FKK-Haus, Fellbach near Stuttgart
Schaflandstrasse 11/1 (2.OG), 70736 Fellbach
Entry: 50 €
30 min: 55 €
60 min: 110 €
Extras: 25 € FT, 50 € Anal
Open:Sun-Thu 11-02 Fri-Sat 11-04
http://www.fkk-haus.com/
Flamingo Island, Karlsruhe-Ettlingen
Ferdinand Porsche Stasse 6, 76275 Ettlingen (Near Karlsruhe)
Entry : 55 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Getränke: 0 € Non-Alk
Extras: FT 50 €, Bathrobe 5 €
Open: Sun-Thu 11-02, Fri-Sat 11-03
http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de/
FKK-Point, Bruchsal
Industriestrasse 22, 76646 Bruchsal
Eintritt: 35 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: Sunday:Strapstag
Open: ?
http://www.fkk-point-bruchsal.de
FKK-Paradies Pascha, Villingen-Schwenningen
In Dickenhart 8,78054 Vs-Schwennigen
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 60 €
60 min: 120 €
90 min: 180 €
Open: 12-05
http://www.fkk-pascha.com/
FKK Sudfaß OaseS, München-Pasing
Peter-Anders-Strasse 4, München-Pasing 81245
Entry: 55 €
30 min: 75 €
60 min: 125 €
Extras: 75 € (FO, Anal)
Open:11-04
http://www.fkkmuenchen.de
Fkk Colosseum, Augsburg
Gubener Straße 13,86156 Augsburg
Eintritt: 60 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €
Open:Sun-Fri 14-01, Mon-Sat 14-03
http://www.fkk-colosseum.de/
Privater Tempel FKK der Lust
Gattingerstraße 2,97076 Würzburg
Entry : ? €
30 min: ? €
60 min: ? €
Open: ?
http://www.fkk-tempel.com/
Fkk Sylt, Nürnberg
Lichtenfelser Strasse 2, 98427 Nürnberg
Entry: 60 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €
Open:12-04
http://www.fkk-sylt.de/
Out west there are the Saar clubs in Neunkirchen and Saarbrücken (30 mins from KL). South of Heidelberg there is Karlsruhe/Ettlingen for Flamingo Island. There's even a small FKK at Bruchsal (never tried). Not much further for World II, which I believe is near Pforzheim, and there's FKK Haus at Fellbach, nr. Stuttgart, which has many fans.
Having said that, I would still go to Frankfurt, which is just a quick burst up the A63 (from KL) or the A5 from Heidelberg. You can get very good sessions at the smaller clubs of course, but for sheer variety and quality eye-candy there's no alternative to the big three in Ffm.
http://www.erosplanet.com/ gives shortcuts to around a dozen FKKs (including a few major ones). Can save time if you want to check events, current opening hours etc quickly. Note - Pure Platinum is not an FKK
By the way - it includes the relatively new Atlantik in Hanau, which I plan to visit this weekend.
A discussion that I was part of, broke out today on the biggest Australian based internet sex guide. It was about German FKK's and more specifically the subject was the girls being involved in people smuggling raquets.
Further investigation on the internet (I googled 'people trafficking fkk') revealed an article on the major FKK's being connected with Eastern European mafia smuggling girls into the EU for a stiff fee and the thread of severe punishment to themselves and their familes back home if they reneg.
Is this a load of lies or what??
I have always wanted to monger in an FKK, believing that German immigration efficiency kept this sort of thing away with heavy policing and was hoping to soon make a trip to Germany for that reason but after reading this stuff I'm starting to have second thoughts - as I don't want to be indirectly supporting that sort of stuff.
Please forgive me if this has been covered before but perhaps an update would be nice as these things change quickly. I remember reading posts here that their was an immigration bust with alot of Romanian girls sent home last month - so perhaps authorities are on top of it if this is true.
What's the REAL story from people in the know - fact or fiction?
By the way - it includes the relatively new Atlantik in Hanau, which I plan to visit this weekend.
Shiatsu,
This is the former Club Cherie, a long-time institution in Hanau. Obviously, they have tried to rename themselves as close to Atlantis as they were able to get. I am curious to get your report on how it is there now.
euro
Kapalika,
Ive been Mongering for nearly 20 years and 500 women or so. I have been on several FKK trips and I dont think any of those women are trafficed.
I say this because I have come across women that I am sure were being forced into it, a few times in the last few years.
The worst case was in Tallin,Estonia in 2000. I went to this supposed Brothel in the day time, and they didnt actually have any women there, but the barman made a call and 10 minutes later a van pulled up outside. 2 thugs led about 6 women inside the club, and straight away I could tell that these girls didn't want to be there. They were all very runned down and tired looking, and all had dark rings under their eyes.
I took one girl anyway, and as soon as we got to the room she started crying. She had almost no english, but told me that she was from the far side of Russia and that she didnt want to be in Tallin. I got coffee sent to the room and we just sat and drank coffee, and smoked ciggies for the hour. Ya abit of charity from old Freddy here.
I got the impression she was a trafficed girl, but I have not come accross similar girls in the FKK clubs, but of course you can never be totally sure.
Ps Maybe she was a local girl that figured I was soft, and if she cried she wouldnt have to have sex with me. You can never be 100% sure of anything when with a hooker. Mind you, most hookers have been good to me over the years.
Kapalika
In FKKs there are I think there are (almost) no women who are trafficked against their will - there is no need since there is a constant supply of volunteer labour. However there are some who are there because they are desperate for money and are very reluctant to be in the business.
More common is the worker who chooses to come to Germany to make money but in order to do so has to go through someone who they then owe considerable amounts of money for arrangements. Sometimes these costs can be paid easily by the worker but sometimes not. For obvious reasons these workers tend to come from outside the EU. There is even a sort of going rate for the arrrangement fee - and the workers accept this. They only get unhappy when they get a greedy or nasty agent
Also very common is the totally independent worker who is there out of choice and owe no "agent" anything. These tend to be workers who are resident in the pre-Accession EU states.
Of all sorts it is true that most have a specific purpose in working - to get a certain amount of money for a particular purpose. Of course it doesn't always turn out like this but that is the intention
You will find it hard to get the girls to talk to you about this. I am writing what I have learnt from girls I have paid to go with over some considerable time. So far as the girls are concerned you could be a police informer, or a blabbermouth - there is no benefit to the workers in talking about this
FKKs are definitely better than most places. I think the risk of meeting a girl trafficked against her will is very very low.
As this forum is public and read by workers and clubs I have been circumspect. Sometimes what you read in the papers is not all made up
This is a complex subject - philosophers have spent eternity trying to define free will - and in FKKs as in the rest of life, it comes in shades of grey. When I buy food in a supermarket I never know how many workers have been exploited or poisoned on my behalf. At least in an FKK you are in direct contact with the worker so you stand some chance of making an assessment of what to do
However there are some who are there because they are desperate for money and are very reluctant to be in the business.What percentage are you talking about?
CBGBConnisur
01-31-06, 18:32
FKKs have their share of issues, granted the vast majority of women who work in these clubs are unable to find normal employment, some are in it because a normal job doesn't pay well. The trafficking part is definitely real, FKK Atlantis was closed down because of it. Germany isn't the only country with this problem, its a worldwide issue. Even the USA is just as bad in this regard, there's a movie coming out about trafficking in the US.
The truth in FKK's is pretty much what Shiatsu says, he has the most first hand knowledge from the reports of the women and their stories to his wife who works on an off in the club.
I know pretty well how clubs work and how the women get into the business and how the club goes about recruiting new talent.
In the major german FK's there is virtually no one traficked against their will from any part of the world for the purposes of working in the clubs.
There are a good number of women who have arranged to be traficked or gotten legal statuss for the purposes of working as a prostitute to earn money. the story "they thought they were going to work as a waitress" is as believeable as tellin oyur wife you got a venreal disease from a toilet at a hotel. Maybe ten years ago, maybe ot work in an albanian brothel next to a UN base, but not in a real FKK.
some of the girls have help to get legal status, that costs them money, but no one is takig away passports and forcing them to work. girls need to be in possession of their own legal papers in order to work, and they are pretty much free to come and go as they please (within resasonable working hours and some house rules about if they coe they have to stay, just like we can't come and go as we please from work. But if they decide they just don't want to work anymore, they can pick up all their stuff and just catch a cab and go.
Do some girls have pimps, yes. But that is the case anywhere in the world. Most clubs don't like the idea of pimps and they advertise themselves in newspapers and the industry magazines for girls with legal status who are interested to call. they prefer if the girl comes herself and they don't like dealing with the managers.
Clubs sometimes go to an area (country, city) to recruit. There they might know a couple of people who are fom a more underground sort of scene who might know the type of girls who would be interested in this line of work. They might also know people who can organize the legal status. But they aren't recruiting any girls who don't know what exactly the job entails.
Anything else is bull shit.
Forced Hand
02-01-06, 00:29
Hello,
Anyone know of any clubs in or near Mannheim (D-68199)? It's about an hour south of Frankfurt. If anyone knows of any action at all in the area I would appreciate it. I'll be there on the evening of 9th Feb. and I'll be in Palace on 10th.
Regards
There are only two ways that an FKK can get into trouble, drugs and illegally trafficked girls. There are random police controls that try to weed out the problem. I have talked to many girls that I have been a repeat customer of, and of those that told me their story, none even remotely sounded like they were surprised by what they got themselves into. So I tend to think that illegal trafficking of girls or drug dealing is fairly rare in the large clubs, considering what they stand to lose if they get caught.
The guys from Atlantis, though, managed to hit the rare double. Now, if you frequented Atlantis in the hey days of that club, you would have probably sworn that neither would occur there. And still it did, Atlantis got shut down, and the guys got caught in Spain after they had escaped the country.
Bottom line: one can never be sure, but overwhelmingly the FKK experience is about as clean as you can hope.
euro
fkks provide as ideal situation as possible from coersion since everything is visible. you are more likely to get trafficking in the us where the business has to go underground to escape the police. there you also tend to get ****d girls who are easily exploited by the system. it is very hard to traffic girls when their is a neutral police presence. further, since there are girls from many countries, it is impossible for them not to share information to the detriment of trafficers. finally, my experience with the girls shows a high level of intelligence (language capability and education) and entrepreneurial drive. neither of these are common in trafficked girls.
Kapalika - my guess is that it is a very small percentage. If they dislike it that much they tend not to stay
CBGBConnisur
02-01-06, 17:39
Most German FKKs don't have trafficked women, but you never can tell. Regardless its better to keep your mouth shut unless you have Tony Soprano for backup, there is an underworld element in Germany, mostly Russian. A few years ago, the owner of a small club outside of Frankfurt, his wife and a couple of prostitutes were found dead and their bodies were ridden with bullets. Trafficking is a lot worse in the UK and USA, almost half of the women in Soho are definitely held against their will.
I don't know what crack the owners of Atlantis were smoking if they wanted to flee the German authorities, they should have ran to Brazil, maybe even Singapore. There were a lot of armed security thugs at Atlantis, it made me very
suspicious seeing a guy with a goatee and a .45 in a country where the police themselves rarely carry weapons.
London Boy
02-05-06, 18:43
I am going to be in Cologne (Köln) later this month, and want to go to a FKK club or two. Given that:
* I am new to FKK clubs (but not to the hobby)
* I won't have a car so I want places accessible by S-Bahn etc
* My German isn't really up to holding conversations
* I'm attracted to the idea of sex in (semi) public areas
Does anyone have suggestions? After reading reports here, I thought perhaps of Samya and Sudbad.
LondonBoy,
You answered your own question. Possibly add Schieferhof if you are there on a weekday. It is accessible with public transit, and would take about 40 minutes from Köln main train station.
CBGBConnisur
02-06-06, 03:06
London Boy, you answered your own question, Sudbad and Samya are the two biggest clubs in Koln, you also might want to try Bablyon and Wiago.
Babylon is almost impossible to get to by public transport. Wiago should be possible, but the place is a hole!
CBGBConnisur
02-06-06, 18:28
If you take the S-Bahn to Horrem, you can take a taxi to Babylon, the last time I visited the club took a nosedive in quality, I recall a few years before I only saw Playboy quality there, the last time it was really lame, even a lot of other top clubs did not impress me. Two of the hottest women I met while in DE over the past year were not even hookers, one was a bank teller and the other was secretary.
London Boy,
With reference to Samya - please check their website - it provides full instructions to get there by Public transport - from the local train it is about a 5 -6 minute walk. Come down the ramp and head up the street. Can't miss the building with bright yellow color scheme. Count on a 40 minute travel time total from downtown.
While I enjoyed myself at Samya very much and will go again - your comment about enjoying sex in a semi-public setting - a la FKK kino's I imagine you were thinking about. I don't think that you would find this at Samya at least from my visit experience since a move upstairs tot he rooms seemed to be the norm - a bit of light foreplay but anything else didn't seem to be encouraged downstairs.
If that is important then of course you could always ask a fellow guest and his "date de moment" to join you and yours upstairs in the room.
Samya is pretty much a German speaking place - my German is terrible but I managed to my full enjoyment. Very nice facilities - not very big, but friendly with mostly locals and seemingly regulars.
Enjoy.
The issue of trafficking is somewhat of a red herring and beloved it must be said of the Press for whom any sensible appraisal of the sex industry is politically incorrect. While what is said in this forum is fundamentally true, it is not quite the case that girls are free agents in Germany.
There are two types of girls in the clubs, those who are freelancers and those who have pimps. There is only one kind of club owner - legal but with the mentality of a crook.
The freelance girls are those who seek work in FKK clubs because it is safe for them to do so. They pay their 'rent' to the club, usually about 60 Euros a day, and keep all the rest. They have no 'boyfriend' taking half their money. These girls are mostly German or other EU nationals (not the new EU states). And by and large they are all girls with financial problems of one sort or another.
The rest, and I mean all the East Europeans, are recruited by pimps. The clubs pay the pimps 500 Euros a girl with the condition that the girl must stay three months are the club. If she doesn't he gets no money. So there is heavy and sometimes nasty pressure on the girl to behave, work and earn back the five hundred.
It is inevitable that a girl from the East will fall into the hands of a pimp. First she needs someone to look after her: find her a club, find her somewhere to stay, take her to the club each day and so on.
What the girls are offered is the equivalent of the 'golden handcuffs' in any high earning normal job. The point of the system in the sex industry is to make it very difficult for the girls to leave a club. No club owner wants to be perpetually looking for girls, especially if they are good. So he has to ensure that there is an incentive to stay, or rather a discentive to leave.
This can sometimes take the form of threats to ban a girl from the club if she leaves and goes somewhere else.
Regular visitors to FKK clubs will have noticed that few German girls now work in these clubs. So it logically follows that the sex industry is falling more and more into the hands of the crimminal elements from Eastern Europe, as this is where the vast majority of the girls now come from.
It is ironic that a country such as Germany keen to make pay sex safe and drive the crooks and bad boys out finds itself now overrun with girls who totally depend on pimps who in their turn are not the nicest of people. This is why the German police now conduct more raids on FKK clubs than ever before.
The system should work to allow girlsl to govern their own destinies but it doesn't work perfectly. In practice pimping and a degree of coercing still exists. First each girl feels they need a protector of some sort in a strange land and secondly the pimp himself is not inclined to the milk of human kindness when a girl says she doesn't like the job much.
Even in the rest of the trade in the puffs and apartments there are girls who have 'boyfriends' and they belong to these men. If the girl wants to leave him and go to another 'boyfriend' then there is what amounts to a transfer fee paid by the new pimp. The owners of these establishments do not take a daily fee from the girls, they take half their money. So a girl earning 3,000 Euros a month (the average for non FKK clubs) will only see 1,500 of it.
As for club owners, well it is still true that many of the FKK clubs in Germany are owned by Hells Angels. Either that or the Angels extract protection money from club owners. Bike gangs are very nasty people in Europe and clubs depend on them to provide minders and heavies to throw out unwanted guests.
Every big club has CCTV for two reasons, to watch the girls and to watch you. The girls are watched for drugs, the men for attempting to solicit private numbers and arrange private sessions outside the club. Any girl suspected of doing private work on the side is instantly got rid of - as in any job.
Drugs are a serious problem in clubs. Let's not pretend otherwise. How else can a normal girl get through fucking an average of seven men a day seven days a week without doing her head in?
CBGBConnisur
02-09-06, 01:07
The vast majority of the women are not German, though there are quite a few there as well, a lot of local foreigners who are legal residents of Germany work in
these establishments. Generally most women who get into this sort of work are low on the socioeconomic ladder, wait a minute, all of them are low on this ladder.
I would like ot welcome marlow to the forum.
Finally we have a second person like CBGB, who is very confident in what he believes even if it is a whole crock of shit!
1) The average daily fee at an FKK is not 60€. In the 3 clubs around frankfurt it is, as well as the bavarian clubs, and Villa in Hannover, but the vast majority of clubs have much lower fee's for the girls. Shieferhof is 18€ a day, PHG, goldentime & Samya are all at the 100€ a week rate, while Wildenrath is at 15€ a day. The 15-35€ a day rate is the norm for the vast majority of FKK clubs that exist.
2) I did not know that two clubs with the same name count as many FKK clubs. Because there are only 2 owned by the Hell's Angels, and that is world 1&2 and that is well known, and the presence of them is seen everywhere. The only person that can really be considered owning "many" clubs would be the guy known as "the Blindman" who owns all the red Carpet clubs, putting him as the owner of about 12 clubs. Other than that i don't know anyone who has more than 4 real FKK's, adn even that guy (cocoon, tropicana, Ali Baba) is out of the country. there are quite a few who have 2-3 clubs.
3) this 500€ recruitment fee is a bunch of crap. Clubs do have contacts who help them recruit, and sometimes there really is the feeling of "a bus full of new girls" coming into a club. But the vast majority of talent at a club is held and recruited through simple ads in the papers.
Trust me, i know a bunch of girls from a bunch of clubs quite well personally. I know the whole story of a number of girls who have been trafficked and pimped and the whole thing. But you are manipulating facts just as poorly as any sensationalist report does.
Most pimping is psychological. The HA's and some of the albanians who really have more than 10 girls running are exceptions, but a tonne fo pimps are more or less manager boyfriends, who have 1-4 girls working for them, and they have no inclination to harm them should they leave. In my experience more german girls let themselves be pimped than the foreigners.
When they had a more difficult time organizing papers it wa s a bit of a different matter, but now it is easier for them to get decent papers, at least long enough for 3 month stints.
And if it were 500€, that ois hardly worth the effort it takes to get a girl into germany. The fee you used to get if you went into a fake marriage was the equivalent of 5000€, but not 500.
And the method of coercion that you describe, of not letting the girl come back, is one that ois used in any job. If i decide to quit my job without notice to go work for the competition every boss in the world would say, "If you go there, you're not welcome back here"
That is what clubs tend to say to girls they don't want to lose, but if the girl goes, there isn't much they would do. If the girl has any class about the way she leaves, and if she doesn't really just head to the clubs main competition then I have seen a lot of travelling around and being welcomed back with oopen arms.
Club owners and managers know the girls want to make some money, and being a new girl somewhere else always means bigger paychecks for a while, so they understand.
Of course when world opened the Oase and Atlantis people said, "if you work there, you can't come back here" but that is normal if you have a new competitor.
I'll agree with you on the drugs front, but there are clubs where it is a huge problem and ones where it is a little problem. Babylon was famous for all the girls really hitting the coke hard. I find GT has way too many girls and customers on hard drugs. There are other clubs where you get a distinct hash smell coming out of a room or two, but not so many mirrors being needed.
and not all club owners and mangers are crooks. I know some who I really respect. i know others i think are abhorrent. If i see what the manager of Wildenrath is doing for Nici (that Pam anderson type girl) during her struggle with Cancer (Driving her to and from her chemo treatments) and the way he helps girls get off drugs and all sorts of other stuff I would rather not mention, they are far from being crooks.
there is so much more that is BS in your post, but it si late and i want to get to sleep.
Peter,
Thank you for taking the trouble to add a differeniated view on the topic.
Regards,
Globus
Wow, does the man protest too much or what!
Accused of talking a lot of bullshit – ooh you are terrible!
Dear Peter, you are trying to convince me that all these club owners are nice guys helping out. I don't believe it. The guy who owns Bernd's having met him I am not keen to meet again. His wife is great, and I feel sorry for her. The man who used to own Sudbad is a nice guy, but he is old school Cologne puff owner.
If these men are all above board nice guys then pray tell me why Atlantis was raided, why World was raided, Oase was raided, why a host of other clubs were raided and accused of tax evasion and drug dealing and trafficking? Explain to the great public why bordello owners get shot on their doorsteps, why a gang of Hell’s Angels went to prison in Hamburg? Please, we are dealing with human nature here in a business where there is no customer relations department, no recourse to unfair dismissal, no mission charter - in other words a rough, cut-throat trade. It is just a bit naive (or a bit of PR) to say that violence and threats of violence are not part of this business.
The 500 fee is fact. I have known it offered.
As for the day fee girls pay, I never said there was anything wrong in it. Yes the fee at Bernd's is less because they creamed off 30 Euros per session for themselves, the girls only got 50 Euros a trick. What the system is now I have no idea but for sure the girls don't get more than 50 Euros basic. Fucking without gummi and sandwich and other extras they keep.
How charming to call pimps boyfriend/managers. As one girl said to me the 'boyfriend' of a prostitute either loves her and hates the job or he loves the money and couldn't care a toss about the girl outside of earning for him. Am I really to accept that in this business a man who looks after a girl is going to shrug his shoulders and say ce la vie when she leaves him for another boyfriend/manager?
Of course any girl with any sense avoids getting involved with a pimp and works as a freelance. That's why most of them don't have a man in their life, for fear of him sitting at home counting the cash and spending it on himself. As for the cancer victim, well good God who wouldn’t help! But that’s not proof these guys are all saints and Samaritans.
We men have a lot of fun at these clubs and I think it is right we should pay for it as we are having it at the expense of girls who know this isn't a great career move for them. Long term it can damage them psychologically. Who deals with these problems? Where is the help (outside of ad hoc advice) to a girl who wants to lead a normal life and have a normal sex life? A significant number of these girls are messed up to begin with and this job in no way helps them. They earn big money and live in a fantasy world from which escape is really hard, and almost impossible for many.
Papers.
Most East Europeans don't bother with papers if they come on a student visa
Recruitment
I would like you to see how many girls you get through a simple ad!
Hell's Angles
At PHG they sit in the offices watching the CCTV screens.
SW is also owned by FKKWorld. the previous owner is in jail.
You go, Peter!!!
Cheers,
Dedalus
CBGBConnisur
02-09-06, 17:16
This is funny, there is a very strong criminal element involved in the sex trade in every country, Germany is definitely not an exception to the rule.
Marlow,
I did forget about the fact that SW now is owned by HA as well.
the whole Hamburg stuff has nothing to do with FKK's. The criminal elements you are talking about were much more involved in RLD's and wohnungen and the like. their involvement in FKK's is more limited, because of the nature of the clubs. why do you think HA's opened World in the first place.
there were no people going to the RLD's and wohnungen anymore, they had all emigrated out to the FKK's.
RLD's are concentrated in one area and cannot expand in a big way, or move ot another part of town. that is why these areas are often the sight of violence and gangish fights. Most of the RLD's in Hamburg and frankfurt (the largest in Germany) have been the sight of fights for control from bike gangs, russian and albanian gangs for the past 15 years. They use direct violence, and even intimidate the customers with people playing card games in front of the doors to slow down business and such.
FKK's are out of town, so you can't use as much intimidation and those things, so the better way is to open up another better club where the customers will go. that's what they did with World.
Mauro, the owner of Oase is actually a nice guy. The raids have more to do with checking taxes and immigration status (and student visas mean they can work as far as I remember the law) more than trying to control a criminal club owner.
People involved in questionable business will be a bit more seedy than sunday school teachers, but i wouldn't say they are all horrible people. the owners of Samya you can pretty much consider to be a mom and pop operation.
As to why girls get in this business, it is almost all about the money. I hope most girls are strong and smart enough to get out of the business before it ruins them, and take a bit of cash with them.
I know this one girl who works behind the counter at a club. she needed cash badly and since i had always bugged her about being willing to pay for it. she said she would let me go down on her for 1000€, which i took her up on. well, that short term cash crunch has turned into a more repetitive thing and she keeps proposing that we repeat this deal, or maybe go for more over and over. Once you have done it once, it gets easier.
this girl is totally german, has a real job on the side and all sorts of normal stuff, but she needs some cash and is willing to trade sex for money. that is the basis of prostitution.
The reason these small time pimps don't harm the girls if they leave is not because of benevolence. it is just because they aren't really tough criminals, and if they actually harmed the girl they could actually get in real trouble.
Cologne is filled with a bunch of young turkish and albanian pimps. most of them have less than 4 girls working for them and barely clear enough cash to pay for an opel. They like being considered a pimp, but their pimp hand definitely isn't strong.
they would only resort to violence to save their face, adn that owuld only be if the girl was stupid enough to flaunt her newfound "freedom" around his friends. If a girl does that, she is just stupid.
But usually if they take off, and just try to avoid contact with him for a while, he will tell all his friends that she is old and ugly and not earning anymore and that she paid him the 8,000€ that is named the going rate to buy freedom (used ot be 15,000 marks).
they have nothing real to hold these girls with, and unless they are big time pimps with the connections to get her muscled up, they ain't going to risk real jail time for a small time payout.
that being said i know girls who have kept saving the pimps share and making sure the other girls who work for him are earning like they should while he was on a two year jail sentence. She could have easily left, as most of the other girls did (she tried o rally friends of the jailed pimp to muscle these other girls) but she wanted to be sure that she stayed his "top *****" when he got out. that is a messed up type of love, that this girl with a German Passport did. No explaining peopole and their motivations sometimes.
Having been a witness to some scenes in RLDs in Germany, the FKK scene is about as clean as it gets. I used to see plenty of people (sw and not) shooting up in open daylight on the streets. You will never see anything remotely related to that in a FKK. What you will see is women abusing their bodies by not getting sleep and drinking large amounts of highly caffinated drinks to stay awake. It's pretty hard on the body to work 15 hours a day for weeks at a time.
some girls use coke and marijuana to help them get through the day too. those are the main drugs i have seen in clubs, wit the coke being the less widespread.
Let's be honest about what the girls are earning nowadays. there are quite few who are managing 7 rooms a day on average, 4 is a more realistic number. Just too many clubs and a poor economy spreading the men quite thin.
Let's be honest about what the girls are earning nowadays. there are quite few who are managing 7 rooms a day on average, 4 is a more realistic number. Just too many clubs and a poor economy spreading the men quite thin.
Do you mean 4-7 sessions per day spread out over a week, or per day worked? Also are you taking seasonal ups and downs into consideration? Before Christmas, I would bet that the percentage of girls at the big-three Frankfurt clubs doing more than 5 sessions per day worked would have been fairly high (30-35%) My tour of the big-three last week left me with the impression that this percentage was now around 15% as it was clearly a buyers market. (Great time to snag a top-act!!) Also are we counting an hour session as two sessions?
Interesting topic.
Mauro is ok, but he could smile now and then.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hi guys,
I don't live in Germany and I don't know any of the FKK owners so I am not able to judge their character (although I will give Mario props if he takes down that damn strobe light). I do not know how many of the girls do hard drugs. I do not know if a girl is beeing pimped or not but I hope they are receiving most of what they are earning. I am pretty ignorant on the situation of how a particular girl ended up in the place. The girls tell stories, good and bad, but I never know what to believe so I just leave it at that
I am far from beeing the the most experienced monger in the world, but I've been around. This I do know: The FKKs I've been to are the places where I find sex workers that seemed to be in general much more ok about their situation and line of work than any other p4p I've experienced. That tells me something.
Chivaz
CBGBConnisur
02-10-06, 02:41
Having been a witness to some scenes in RLDs in Germany, the FKK scene is about as clean as it gets. I used to see plenty of people (sw and not) shooting up in open daylight on the streets. You will never see anything remotely related to that in a FKK. What you will see is women abusing their bodies by not getting sleep and drinking large amounts of highly caffinated drinks to stay awake. It's pretty hard on the body to work 15 hours a day for weeks at a time.
Tell that to the people at Atlantis. Lets avoid the word "Clean", prostitution has a serious social stigma in Germany as well as in Anglo countries. Its just that the Germans have a different way to approach the problem. If you told me Amsterdam was "Clean", I would laugh, I got a rude awakening to the scene in the Netherlands which has a very strong underworld element, Peter wasn't kidding that I would need a bodyguard. The majority of FKK girls are doing this as a normal job to pay their bills, an alternative to bagging groceries at Aldi or Plus.
Tell that to the people at Atlantis. Lets avoid the word "Clean", prostitution has a serious social stigma in Germany as well as in Anglo countries. Its just that the Germans have a different way to approach the problem. If you told me Amsterdam was "Clean", I would laugh, I got a rude awakening to the scene in the Netherlands which has a very strong underworld element, Peter wasn't kidding that I would need a bodyguard. The majority of FKK girls are doing this as a normal job to pay their bills, an alternative to bagging groceries at Aldi or Plus.
Note, Atlantis was shut down and the suspects arrested and jailed. So, it is an indication that there is an effective watch dog at work. It is an indication of success--not failure. How many shops in RLDs are ever raided?
CBGBConnisur
02-10-06, 23:59
The sex industry in Germany is by no means a clean business, I have even spoken with a few locals about this, especially with the women, some of them pull tricks to get legal residency like getting married to a local. It doesn't happen all the time but enough that it is an issue. From what I know, the Netherlands and the UK have a more serious problem with this, some other Euroepan countries also have more blatant violations, France and Italy being two countries where this problem is quite serious. The United States has the worst problem with regards to [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), this occurs in Australia with regards to most Asian massage parlors, where I live there is a sizable sex industry but things are tightly regulated by the authorities, women are discouraged from giving clients bbbjs in Australian brothels.
Gentlemen,
It's getting to be that time again - Cebit. I haven't been able to search and find any recent reviews on FKK Villa or other options in the Hannover areas.
Their website looks Ok - but of course members recommendations and suggestions are very welcome.
Thanks in advance.
I went to Villa about 18 months ago.
Was a quiet time in town, no fair, and went inthe afternoon. Hardly more than 2-3 punters, and about 6-8 girls.
Good welcome, was shown around.
Girls were a mix of German, East Eurpoeans, Cubans and one Thai. They did not look too interested, but he place was quite dead. After some time at the bar, the Thai girl came to talk to me, and I decided to go with her. Good service all together, BBBJ, then cowgirtrl and mish. . Beware though: 1) Once you start touching a girl, they consider the deal done. So don't let yourself be groped if you do not want to go further. 2) Although cost of one encounter is advertised at 50 Euros, BBBJ (vs CBJ) commands an additional 25. The girl won't ask you, give a bbbj direct and ask for 75 at the end of the session.
All in all, not a bad polace if you are in Hannover, but I would not travel there just for it.
Gentlemen,
It's getting to be that time again - Cebit. I haven't been able to search and find any recent reviews on FKK Villa or other options in the Hannover areas.
Their website looks Ok - but of course members recommendations and suggestions are very welcome.
Thanks in advance.The web site shows exactly the way the club is. During Cebit it gets very crowded but well worth the visit. I hope to get there as soon as the show closes.
One thing that has always fascinated me about Germany is how there could be such rich mongering environments in areas like FFM and Dusseldorf, for example, but around other towns, like Hannover, you just draw a blank for action! It's a strange world out there...
Ortos,
hannover is not fully drawing a blank. Villa is a very impressive club. I posted a report on it in the Other section now, and there i ruminate on why you don't read as much about these clubs.
Basically I say a forum doesn't get interesting until you really have to assess which club option you want to go to and inform yourself about. in areas where there is only one option, why read and write about it on the internet.
Villa is the best club between Cologne/düsseldorf and Berlin and Hamburg. the only ones that can compete are Park Schloss Dali in marsberg (middle of nowhere near Soest - about an hour east of Dort***d) and Artemis in Berlin. what it shares with PSD and Artemis is that it has damn impressive facilities. for action La folie still is the better address in Berlin.
Just lik you never really read about FKK Sylt in Nurnberg, but it is an excellent club, although a little expensive.
But you also don't read that much about Flamingo island in Karlsruhe or Colloseum in Augsburg, but they are in a similar situation, the only game in town.
in frankfurt and NRW, there are real choices, so it is interesting to read and write about it so people can make an informed decision. But in areas where it is the only game in town, most of the forums tend ot become simple review sites, and bothe the guys and the girls don't do well with those. guy who write bad reviews have trouble finding a girl to book.
as to why the free market doesn't work fluidly enough to build up clubs in the areas where they aren't, it isn't the easiest business to get into.
The people from oase invested 3-5 million into a very impressive facility near aachen, which was supposed to serve the customers from Cologne (which at the time had no clubs) through holland an belgium. it was a great idea and it was an amazing club for all of the 15 minutes that it was open. they picked the richest town in NRW (with the highest tax receipts per person) and they managed to get it shut down before it ever opened. You also need to have enough time and money to hold out until the customers get to learn and accept the concept. Artemis is still struggling to find customers, even though the atmosphere is a lot nicer than what the Berliners are used to. but the people stick with what they are used to for quite a while. even Atlantis needed almost 2 years to become a real booming place.
But it isn't easy to find the right sort of place in the right sort of area, and then get women to go there.
I guess this gets into the trafficking iscussion. As an example to show how it isn't really all that dark behind the scenes. artemis had trouble getting women, so for at leasst the first 4 months they weren't charging the girls any rent. they kept saying they would start charging next week, but they weren't getting enough customers for the women to have a legit chance of making their entry fee back in any sort of way.
shame was, the no entry fee policy led to them getting some of the laziest and most annoying workig girls in germany. for a club that again invested million, if they had been able to get top quality girls as marlow said for 500€ a piece, you think they wouldn#t have invested another 30,000€ for 60 girls?
I agree that Colosseum in Augsburg is mty favorite club,m and styill does not gt lots of report. Whenever in ***chen, I always make the trip, just 45 min by train and a 10 min taxi ride.
Peter touches on Artemis, and of course he is right. It's going to take a while. But I am meeting more and more girls who have been to Artemis now to try it, and they are without exception enthusiastic. Mostly because it is a new, hygienically impressive place, which of course is important for them. But fewer also are the complaints that there are not enough men, which is a good sign.
Berlin should have a busy year this year, so hopefully Artemis really will start moving, and with several other good clubs competing it should make for an interesting destination and interesting forum contributions in future.
Artemis was featured on a 2 hours SpiegelTV show on the weekend on a major gemran network (i think it was Sat1). The whole show was not about this club, it was sort of a 48 hours sort of show about all sorts of different business having to do with prostitution. it had the Pascha in Cologne, some middle of nowhere club and the owners.
They had a really ugly working girl willing to go on TV, and she showed all the facilties and it looked quite good. They did a good job of advertising as they explained all the prices and all.
I think it will do well, but it always takes time to establish this sort of club.
I've just posted on my visit there during CeBit 2 years ago.
Njoy and POST!
Special thanks to Peter, Bandy and Grand Pollo who helped me for the translation. Feel free to cut/paste this list and add another language, as there are plenty of other usefull languages (Romanian, Russian, Polish, Thai...). Mongering improves language skills!
GB: How much do you want to go to the room?
F: Combien veux tu pour aller à la chambre?
S: Cuanto quieres por ir al cuarto?
D: Wie viel kostet es aufs Zimmer zu gehen?
P: Quanto você quer ir à sala?
NL: Hoeveel neem je om naar de kamer te gaan?
GB: Do you want to have sex?
F: Veux-tu faire l’amour?
S: Quieres hacer el amor?
D: Möchtest du sex haben?
P: Você quer te r o sexo?
NL: Wil je sex hebben?
GB: Do you want to do it?
F: Veux tu le faire?
S: Quieres hacerlo?
D: Sollen wir es tun?
P: Você quer fazê-lo?
NL: Wil je het doen?
GB: Do you do doggie style?
F: Tu le fait en levrette?
S: Lo haces de perrito?
D: Machst du es in hündchen stellung?
P: Você faz o estilo de cachorrinho?
NL: Doe je het op hondje?
GB: Will you suck me?
F: Tu me suces?
S: Me lo chupas?
D: Möchtest du mir ein blasen?
P: Você me chupar?
NL: Wil je me pijpen?
GB: Do you offer uncovered blowjobs?
F: Tu suces sans préservatif?
S: Lo chupas sin condon?
D: Bläst du ohne Condom?
P: Você oferece o sexo oral descoberto (chupar sem camisinha)?
NL: Pijp je zonder condoom ?
GB: Can I lick your pussy?
F: Je peux te lêcher la chatte?
S: Te puedo chupar la chocha?
D: Darf ich dich lecken?
P: Posso lamber o seu buceta?
NL: Mag ik beffen?
GB: Shall we try sixty-nine?
F: On essaie le soixante neuf?
S: Intentamos los sesenta y nueve?
D: Sollen wir es in neun und sechsiger Stellung probieren?
P: Tentaremos sessenta e nove?
NL: Zullen we negen en zestig proberen
GB: Do you do anal?
F: Tu le fais par derrière?
S: Lo haces por el culo?
D: Machst du anal?
P: Você faz anal?
NL: Doe je anaal?
GB: Can I come on…?
F: Je peux jouir sur…?
S: Me puedo terminar en…?
D: Darf ich auf dein .... spritzen?
P: Posso gozar em …?
NL: Mag ik komen op…?
GB: your breasts.
F: Tes seins
S: tus tetas
D: deine Titten
P: os seus peitos.
NL: Je tieten
GB: your face
F: Ton visage
S: tu cara
D: dein Gesicht
P: a sua cara
NL: je gezicht
GB: your mouth
F: ta bouche
S: tu boca
D: dein mu nd
P: a sua boca
NL: je mond
GB: your buttocks
F: tes fesses
S: tu cula
D: deine Arschbacken
P: as suas nádegas (bundas)
NL: je kont
GB: your back
F: ton dos
S: tu espalda
D: dein Rücken
P: as suas costas
NL: je rug
GB: How much do you want for the entire night?
F: Combien veux tu pour toute la nuit?
S: Cuanto quieres por toda la noche?
D: Wieviel kostet die ganze Nacht?
P: Quanto você quer durante a noite inteira?
NL: Hoeveel kost de hele nacht?
GB: It would be better later
F: Ce serait mieux plus tard
S: Despues etaria mejor
D: Es wäre besser spä***
P: Seria melhor depois
NL: Het zou straks beter zijn
GB: Thanks, but, I'm a little bit tired.
F: Merci mais, je suis un peu fatigué
S: Gracias, pero, estoy un poco cansado
D: Danke, aber ich bin ein bißchen müde
P: Agradecimentos, mas, estou um bocado cansado
NL: Bedankt, ik ben moe
GB: I have almost no money
F: Je n’ai pratiquement plus d’argent.
S: Casi no tengo dinero
D: Ich habe kaum Geld dabei.
P: Não tenho quase nenhum dinheiro
NL: Ik heb hasst geen geld meer
GB: Hello, what's your name?
F: Salut, comment t'appeles tu?
S: Olah, como te llamas?
D: Hallo, wie ist dein name?
P: Olá, como se chama você?
NL: Hallo, hoe heet je?
GB: Do you want a beer?
F: Tu veux une bière?
S: Gustarias una cerveza?
D: Möchtest du ein Bier?
P: Você quer uma cerveja?
NL: Neem je een bier?
GB: How old are you?
F: Quel âge as tu?
S: Cuanto años tienes?
D: Wie alt bist du?
P: Quantos anos tem você?
NL: Hoe oud ben je?
GB: Your eyes drive me crazy.
F: Tes yeux me rendent fous
S: Tus ojos me hacen loco.
D: Deine Augen machen mich verrückt.
P: Os seus olhos deixam-me louco
NL: Je ogen maken me gek.
GB: You are the most beautiful girl.
F: Tu es la plue jolie.
S: Eres la mas bonita chicas.
D: Du bist die schönste Frau.
P: Você é a menina mais bela.
NL: Je bent de mooiste vrouw
GB: I like your smile.
F: J’aime ton sourire.
S: Me gusta tu sonrisa.
D: Ich mag dein lächeln.
P: Eu gosto do seu sorriso
NL: Ik hou van je glimlach
GB: You have a wonderful body
F: Tu as un beau corp.
S: Tienes un cuerpo bonito.
D: Du hast ein wunderbaren Körper
P: Você tem um maravilhoso corpo
NL: Je hebt een prachtig lichaam
GB: What pretty hair!
F: Quels beaux cheveux !
S: Que pelo bonita!
D: Was für schöne Haare.
P: Que bonito cabelo!
NL: Wat mooie haren
GB: Do you have children?
F: As tu des enfants?
S: Tienes hijos?
D: Hast du Kinder?
P: Você tem crianças?
NL: Heb je kinderen?
GB: Can I take a shower?
F: Je peux me doucher?
S: Puedo ducharme?
D: Darf ich mal Duschen?
P: Posso tomar uma chuva?
NL: Mag ik een douche nemen?
GB: Let’s take a shower together.
F: Allons nous doucher ensemble.
S: Vamos a la ducha en junto.
D: Ich möchte das du mit mir duschst.
P: Vai tomar uma chuva em conjunto.
NL: Laten we samen een douche nemen.
And most important: learn to count in each language!
GB: How much do you want to go with you to the room?
D: Wieviel wünschen Sie zu Ihnen zum Raum gehören?
Hey,
Can I be around when you ask this one?
Cheers,
Dedalus
Translation misunderstandings can lead to surprising situations :D
CBGBConnisur
02-14-06, 17:41
Wikipedia has an article about Artemis, its actually owned by a Turkish citizen and cost over 5 million EUR to build. I have not gotten the opportunity to visit the establishment but maybe I will give Berlin a try on my next visit to Europe. Wiki also has a whole article about the FKK non sex nudist scene in Germany. FKK saunas are definitely not good places to meet women in Germany, I went to one in Bonn and two old fraus(older than my grandmother) sat right next to me and I jumped away in disgust, I did get to see an African guy and a very attractive German woman swap spit in another sauna. However if you go to the Sparkasse, some of these establishments have the hottest bank tellers around.
I went to one in Bonn and two old fraus(older than my grandmother) sat right next to me and I jumped away in disgust
Hopefully you will get old too. You will have a problem if you get discussed by it so I suggest you start trying to get used to the different flavours of the human body as it goes through the aging process.
Chivaz
CBGBConnisur
02-14-06, 21:22
I usually don't make sexual advances on women that are more than ten years older or younger than me. If a man did what those two ladies did to a woman he would be in deep trouble.
I usually don't make sexual advances on women that are more than ten years older or younger than me. If a man did what those two ladies did to a woman he would be in deep trouble.
I read your posting as a non sex nudist scene where you found old ladies attending discusting. Have it your way, I should know better than to respond to your ramble.
Back to the sex...
Chivaz
Headed to Oase and Palace this weekend! Weather is kinda bad but hope the selection is good. Anyone been there recently?
For novices, I suggest you bring your own sandals. More comfortable and cleaner than what the clubs provide. Also a good way to recognize mongers!
Aki,
Real mongers wear pink slippers!
Special thanks to Peter, Bandy and Grand Pollo who helped me for the translation. Feel free to cut/paste this list and add another language, as there are plenty of other usefull languages (Romanian, Russian, Polish, Thai...). Mongering improves language skills!GB: How much do you want to go to the room?
F: Combien veux tu pour aller à la chambre?
S: Cuanto quieres por ir al cuarto?
D: Wie viel kostet es aufs Zimmer zu gehen?
P: Quanto você quer ir à sala?
NL: Hoeveel neem je om naar de kamer te gaan?
I: Quanto vuoi per andare in camera?
GB: Do you want to have sex?
F: Veux-tu faire l’amour?
S: Quieres hacer el amor?
D: Möchtest du sex haben?
P: Você quer te r o sexo?
NL: Wil je sex hebben?
I: Vuoi fare sesso?
GB: Do you want to do it?
F: Veux tu le faire?
S: Quieres hacerlo?
D: Sollen wir es tun?
P: Você quer fazê-lo?
NL: Wil je het doen?
I: Lo vuoi fare?
GB: Do you do doggie style?
F: Tu le fait en levrette?
S: Lo haces de perrito?
D: Machst du es in hündchen stellung?
P: Você faz o estilo de cachorrinho?
NL: Doe je het op hondje?
I: Lo fai a pecorina?
GB: Will you suck me?
F: Tu me suces?
S: Me lo chupas?
D: Möchtest du mir ein blasen?
P: Você me chupar?
NL: Wil je me pijpen?
I: Me lo succhi?
GB: Do you offer uncovered blowjobs?
F: Tu suces sans préservatif?
S: Lo chupas sin condon?
D: Bläst du ohne Condom?
P: Você oferece o sexo oral descoberto (chupar sem camisinha)?
NL: Pijp je zonder condoom ?
I: Fai pompini scoperti?
GB: Can I lick your pussy?
F: Je peux te lêcher la chatte?
S: Te puedo chupar la chocha?
D: Darf ich dich lecken?
P: Posso lamber o seu buceta?
NL: Mag ik beffen?
I: Ti posso leccare la patata (fica)?
GB: Shall we try sixty-nine?
F: On essaie le soixante neuf?
S: Intentamos los sesenta y nueve?
D: Sollen wir es in neun und sechsiger Stellung probieren?
P: Tentaremos sessenta e nove?
NL: Zullen we negen en zestig proberen
I: Proviamo un sessantanove?
GB: Do you do anal?
F: Tu le fais par derrière?
S: Lo haces por el culo?
D: Machst du anal?
P: Você faz anal?
NL: Doe je anaal?
I: Lo prendi dietro (in culo)?
GB: Can I come on…?
F: Je peux jouir sur…?
S: Me puedo terminar en…?
D: Darf ich auf dein .... spritzen?
P: Posso gozar em …?
NL: Mag ik komen op…?
I: Posso venire?
GB: your breasts.
F: Tes seins
S: tus tetas
D: deine Titten
P: os seus peitos.
NL: Je tieten
I: Le tue tette
GB: your face
F: Ton visage
S: tu cara
D: dein Gesicht
P: a sua cara
NL: je gezicht
I: La tua faccia
GB: your mouth
F: ta bouche
S: tu boca
D: dein mu nd
P: a sua boca
NL: je mond
I: La tua bocca
GB: your buttocks
F: tes fesses
S: tu cula
D: deine Arschbacken
P: as suas nádegas (bundas)
NL: je kont
I: Il tuo culo
GB: your back
F: ton dos
S: tu espalda
D: dein Rücken
P: as suas costas
NL: je rug
I: la tua schiena
GB: How much do you want for the entire night?
F: Combien veux tu pour toute la nuit?
S: Cuanto quieres por toda la noche?
D: Wieviel kostet die ganze Nacht?
P: Quanto você quer durante a noite inteira?
NL: Hoeveel kost de hele nacht?
I: quanto vuoi per tutta la notte?
GB: It would be better later
F: Ce serait mieux plus tard
S: Despues etaria mejor
D: Es wäre besser spä***
P: Seria melhor depois
NL: Het zou straks beter zijn
I: Sarebbe meglio più tardi
GB: Thanks, but, I'm a little bit tired.
F: Merci mais, je suis un peu fatigué
S: Gracias, pero, estoy un poco cansado
D: Danke, aber ich bin ein bißchen müde
P: Agradecimentos, mas, estou um bocado cansado
NL: Bedankt, ik ben moe
I: Grazie ma sono un po' stanco
GB: I have almost no money
F: Je n’ai pratiquement plus d’argent.
S: Casi no tengo dinero
D: Ich habe kaum Geld dabei.
P: Não tenho quase nenhum dinheiro
NL: Ik heb hasst geen geld meer
I: Ho quasi finito i soldi
GB: Hello, what's your name?
F: Salut, comment t'appeles tu?
S: Olah, como te llamas?
D: Hallo, wie ist dein name?
P: Olá, como se chama você?
NL: Hallo, hoe heet je?
I: Ciao come ti chiami?
GB: Do you want a beer?
F: Tu veux une bière?
S: Gustarias una cerveza?
D: Möchtest du ein Bier?
P: Você quer uma cerveja?
NL: Neem je een bier?
I: Vuoi una birra?
GB: How old are you?
F: Quel âge as tu?
S: Cuanto años tienes?
D: Wie alt bist du?
P: Quantos anos tem você?
NL: Hoe oud ben je?
I: Quanti anni hai?
GB: Your eyes drive me crazy.
F: Tes yeux me rendent fous
S: Tus ojos me hacen loco.
D: Deine Augen machen mich verrückt.
P: Os seus olhos deixam-me louco
NL: Je ogen maken me gek.
I: I tuoi occhi mi fanno impazzire
GB: You are the most beautiful girl.
F: Tu es la plue jolie.
S: Eres la mas bonita chicas.
D: Du bist die schönste Frau.
P: Você é a menina mais bela.
NL: Je bent de mooiste vrouw
I: Sei la donna più stupenda
GB: I like your smile.
F: J’aime ton sourire.
S: Me gusta tu sonrisa.
D: Ich mag dein lächeln.
P: Eu gosto do seu sorriso
NL: Ik hou van je glimlach
I: Mi piace il tuo sorriso
GB: You have a wonderful body
F: Tu as un beau corp.
S: Tienes un cuerpo bonito.
D: Du hast ein wunderbaren Körper
P: Você tem um maravilhoso corpo
NL: Je hebt een prachtig lichaam
I: Hai un corpo fantastico
GB: What pretty hair!
F: Quels beaux cheveux !
S: Que pelo bonita!
D: Was für schöne Haare.
P: Que bonito cabelo!
NL: Wat mooie haren
I: Che bei capelli!
GB: Do you have children?
F: As tu des enfants?
S: Tienes hijos?
D: Hast du Kinder?
P: Você tem crianças?
NL: Heb je kinderen?
I: Hai bambini?
GB: Can I take a shower?
F: Je peux me doucher?
S: Puedo ducharme?
D: Darf ich mal Duschen?
P: Posso tomar uma chuva?
NL: Mag ik een douche nemen?
I: Posso fare una doccia?
GB: Let’s take a shower together.
F: Allons nous doucher ensemble.
S: Vamos a la ducha en junto.
D: Ich möchte das du mit mir duschst.
P: Vai tomar uma chuva em conjunto.
NL: Laten we samen een douche nemen.
I: Facciamo una doccia assieme
I'm laying over for two nights can someone tell me good area to get hotel and that might be 15 20 mins from some fkk clubs that are great.
I really dont want to rent a car or anything just get taxi if i can and its doable. Palace or Oase Clubs be great.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks Scarpone for making the multilingual mongering phrases list growing. Who is next?
I'm laying over for two nights can someone tell me good area to get hotel and that might be 15 20 mins from some fkk clubs that are great.
I really dont want to rent a car or anything just get taxi if i can and its doable. Palace or Oase Clubs be great.
Thanks for the info.
Go to Palace and stay at the IBIS. It accessible by public transport. Both the hotel and FKK are within close walking distance. Cost is reasonable.
Got back from a tour of Palace and Oase, but managed to get a small scratch on the bunper of the rental. Now they are doing a damage report and will probably bill me for the damages! I think my credit card will cover most of it. This seems to be the new way to screw the customer into getting their expensive insurance. I noticed that even the most minor damage is scrutinized and recorded these days.
I'm new to this board and the Fkk scene in general. But I've been in the hobby for many, many years. Mainly traveling to Canada for their fine selection of outcalls. Been on those boards for years so I know the in's and out's of the hobbiest community. Always wanted to travel to Europe to check out the scene and as a very last minute trip came about happened upon the FKK scene. And I'll be honest, it blew me away.
In my head I know the selection and the price in the Fkk's are out of this world. But I wanted to sit down and figure out the cost per minute to try to show it on paper. Couple years back an outcall in Montreal with the exchange rate was about 90 us dollars for one hour, rates in Toronto came in around 140. Cant get those rates anymore though. Now your looking at 140 and 190. This would be close to 120euro's for an hour for Montreal or 160euro's for Toronto. And these are the lowest prices available. Some agencys are asking for more than 225euro's for an hours time. And you have to take into consideration the missed 15 minutes of action for bathroom time before and after the activities. Plus some of the girls try to upcharge for some services.
So I sat down and tried to figure out the cost in euro's per minute at certain clubs figuring out the cost per minute of fun. Some clubs have different pricing structures. So tried to take those into consideration. Also tried to factor in 'couch action' in those clubs that offered that (figuring that might last 10 minutes, but will use "H" to signify half that amount).
Clubs w couch action with rates of 50/100: 30m w/o couch 1. 66E/m; 60m w/o couch 1. 66E/m; 30m w couch 1. 25; 60m w couch 1. 42; 30m w Hcouch 1. 42; 60m w Hcouch 1. 54
Clubs w rates of 25/50 (BBBJ 25 xtra): 30m w cbj. 83E/m; 30m w BBBJ 1. 66E/m; 60m w cbj. 83E/m; 60m w BBBJ 1. 25E/m
Cocoon (20 minute pricing structure) 20m & 40m w cbj 1. 25E/m, 20m w BBBJ 1. 75E/m; 40m w BBBJ 1. 5E/m; 60m w BBBJ (assuming its 80? ) 1. 33E/m
Canada: easily 2 euro's per minute minimum, factor in the 'break time' and your looking closer to 3 euro's per minute. What you cant figure into the equation is how much you actually save at the FKK clubs when they provide you with free food and beverages that would easily cost you over 100 euros' in restaurants and pubs in Montreal. Plus being able to pick out only those that you find attractive.
To sum up this 'accounting' I find it interesting to note that the Frankfurt clubs providing couch action (if you can manage to get close to 10 minutes of this) are actually on the same level as the clubs with action in the rooms only.
Akibono,
Hopefully your cc doesn't have a $250 deductible. I used to have one that did. But make sure you check your rental car befroe you leave the lot, and report all dmage. This is also a trick in america, where a couple of companies have tried it with me.
Breadman,
Great job. But I wouldn't calculate the couch action too high. First of all, it really isn't a given in the frankfurt clubs, and a lot of the girls count it towards the half hour. Secondly, I would say only about 20% of the men go for any couch action prior to getting in the room. The only club where almost everyone gets couch action and it doesn't really count to time in the room is Schieferhof, but they are in the same 50/100 category. But there you also have to assume that you can make a session last up to about 40 minutes in the room for the price of one session.
The only other thing that I think might be a typo is that the food would cost you 100€ in Montreal. I hope you meant 10€. Last time I was in Montreal, I can't remember paying CAN$150 for food of the mediocre calibre that you get in FKK's. In the Düsseldorf area the clubs offer beer for free, and I have seen more than a few people who try their best to drink their entrance fee back.
Peter,
I was generalizing the 100 euro food bill for Montreal. If your in Montreal and go to restaurants for say breakfast, lunch and dinner plus the cost of beer during the day the total cost should easily hit the 100 euro mark. If your on an FKK tour and plan on spending the day in a club you dont have this expense (since hotels usually offer free breakfast).
Also should point out that Montreal has Full Service stripclubs off the island. Wouldnt even generalize them as stripclubs though, seeing that half the time the stage sits empty for long stretch's of time. Mainly its girls walking around in bikini tops and thongs hoping to entice guys into small booths for two or three songs of cbj's or FS. Rates of 60/90 euro's for these services are the general cost for about 10 minutes of action. Or about 6E/m for cbj and 9E/m for FS...
I was under the impression that couch action didnt count towards the room time as long as one doesnt take advantage of the girls 'generosity'. Has the issue ever come up where the half hour charge gets bumped up to the hour fee due to a couple minutes of couch action?
CBGBConnisur
02-22-06, 20:27
A 100 EUR a day to eat out in Montreal seems high, the last time I went there, mind you exchange rates were much more favorable for Americans at the time, didn't top out at more than $40US a day eating at decent places. FKKs are pretty damn amazing considering they are dirt cheap, the bbbjs are the best thing. A guy got fined $5000 in Sydney for getting a bbbj from a prostitute, there is a lot of HIV paranoia in Ozzie. Its also next to impossible to get a bbbj in the Netherlands, the Dutch authorities are ultraparanoid about STDs, lots of Dutchmen in Ozzie and vice versa.
Got back from a tour of Palace and Oase, but managed to get a small scratch on the bunper of the rental. Now they are doing a damage report and will probably bill me for the damages! I think my credit card will cover most of it. This seems to be the new way to screw the customer into getting their expensive insurance. I noticed that even the most minor damage is scrutinized and recorded these days.
When you rent the car, you often get a paper where you mark any scratces etc. on a drawing. What I do is mark every side of it. The blokes delivering the car usually can't be bothered with scrutinizing what I have marked, so I am covered with it. My credit card covers 100% damage, but I just hate the hassle of a small scratch beeing put on damage report so I just screw them back
Chivaz
CBGBConnisur
02-23-06, 05:03
I noticed more than a few FKK ladies had a few lapses in personal hygiene, not being anal but many of the women I have encountered have serious B.O. or vaginal and or foot odors, halitosis is another common issue, I never French most women because I don't like the taste of tobacco.
I noticed more than a few FKK ladies had a few lapses in personal hygiene, not being anal but many of the women I have encountered have serious B.O. or vaginal and or foot odors, halitosis is another common issue, I never French most women because I don't like the taste of tobacco.
I generally avoid ladies with big boots or other complicated footwear because they don't want to take off and put on. Not only do I think sex with shoes is not sexy, but you know they don't take showers after the sessions. Now how clean can you get with a bidet or a towel? Yuck!
When you rent the car, you often get a paper where you mark any scratces etc. on a drawing. What I do is mark every side of it. The blokes delivering the car usually can't be bothered with scrutinizing what I have marked, so I am covered with it. My credit card covers 100% damage, but I just hate the hassle of a small scratch beeing put on damage report so I just screw them back
Chivaz
Unfortunately, they are onto that game. Now you must verify any damages they did not put on the sheet with their rep. or they will not recognize them. This is a well planned trick to get more money out of the customer.
Perhaps it is my opinion, but based on many previous visits, I feel the business is definitely off. Business at Oase and Palace is the worst I have seen in a long time. Most of the visitors are foreigners or old Germans. The free spending playboy types were few and the parking lots were not full.
Very few people did multiple sessions or extended sessions. And the girls seemed bored. This is a far cry from the Atlantis days were the rooms were constantly busy. I remember being with a few girls who said there were customers who would come and drop hundreds of Euros at a time. I think you are starting to see a drop off in quality. Sure, you still have girls from E Europe, but the German girls who don't have a customer base seems to have left. There also seems to be less girls from Russia.
Got back from a tour of Palace and Oase, but managed to get a small scratch on the bunper of the rental. Now they are doing a damage report and will probably bill me for the damages! I think my credit card will cover most of it. This seems to be the new way to screw the customer into getting their expensive insurance. I noticed that even the most minor damage is scrutinized and recorded these days.
I did a report for a small scratch but did not get billed from Europecar.
However last weekend I made another reservation and they merely refused me a car at the desk, saying I am "watchlisted".
I had to go to Herz and pay twice as much on the spot.
Unhappy.
CBGBConnisur
02-25-06, 02:09
I generally avoid ladies with big boots or other complicated footwear because they don't want to take off and put on. Not only do I think sex with shoes is not sexy, but you know they don't take showers after the sessions. Now how clean can you get with a bidet or a towel? Yuck!
A lot of the women have surprising gaps in hygiene, surprising for beautiful voluptuous girls. I always seem to attract a lot of good looking regular women whenever I am in Germany especially EEs, maybe just looking for a way to a rich Western country via marriage.
I will be in Frankfurt the first week of March and have not yet decided on whether to rent a car. There seems to be snow in most of the weather forecasts I have seen. How are the driving conditions when it snows there? I hate driving in bad weather and may decide to use public transportation.
Lover Boy #2
02-26-06, 08:36
The tax authorties in the Netherlands are almost as bad, that's why I decided not to get involved in opening an establishment in Amsterdam. Too much risk doing business in a non-Anglo country. No one's making me pay a tax for my Notebook PC or my Plasma HDTV, decided to enjoy life in the 51st US State aka Australia. John Howard and George W Bush, what a team!!
If you remember, I told you this would never happen. I gave you the reasons why numerous times. Now you claim the problem as if you discovered the Neander Valley. When you first researched the idea of the brothel, you didn't realize the tax implications and that the current owners are people who have had some ways of dealing with this? I told you that these "owners in fact" would eat a non-connected foreigner for lunch. Well, at least you finally came to the conclusion that was realized by others, many moons ago. I guess the board members will not be getting that free entry to the CBGB Brothel? Oh well, I guess there really is no free lunch. How about a brothel in Australia?
Strato Bvi
03-02-06, 02:13
Hello,
Can you kindly provide more info re: bus shuttle bus service to World , from Messe ? i.e. where can I get details. I emailed World but no reply ?
Thanks,
SBvi
Routard,
#2 FKK World - Still the best facility bar none, great outdoor area like a private country club, best food service, and even complimentary shuttle bus service from the Messe. Some great sp make this their home and so does Cordelia (I know that she's reading this(;-)). Good sauna but not up to Oase standards. Some great rooms, especially the VIP's. Nice relaxing downstairs lounge. Nice big indoor pool. Has a lot going for it, and the investment was huge, so it's hard to understand why they can't get and keep a steady balanced supply of sp from more than 2 countries. Problems: Well there you have it - if they would have a more balanced and steady sp population they would probably be at #1. Also some of the rooms have very flimsy doors/ walls - if you can call them that
And coming in at #1, FKK Oase. I have to admit, this has almost always been my #1, although it had it's bad times particularly right after World and then Palace opened. Nice outdoor area, including outdoor jacuzzi, the best saunas, good food service. Convenient, less than half hour drive from airport and/city. Great decadent vibes, good pole dancing. Hot, hot , hot kino. The best, most consistently good, large and diverse selection of women. Problems; there are many, but I guess when you're in love, you don't notice them all, or let them slide. It gets really hot in some of those rooms, the downstairs shower and locker area always have a peculiar odor, and i think that their timed showers give you the shortest burst of water (I haven't actually timed this)
can't wait to read some other ratings.
Njoy
Timber Tree
03-02-06, 13:30
I was in Frankfurt 2/22 till 2/28. I had a great time in both clubs. Had 15 sessions total and 2 bad ones (had problems finishing the deed, the two session the girls keeps talking too much about extras, and bad mood killer).
The time it takes to get two Palace or Oase is almost the same (by car).
I was staying at an ETAP hotel and Motel One very comfortable and clean, cost 37-39 EURO.
If you are planning to go to the EROS Center, I suggest that you skip it and just go to a FKK Club. Unless you are a pro at the EROS center then it could be fun. I was played at the EROS center, she said that she will suck and fuck for 30 EURO, which I agreed, then she changed it to an "al carte".
extra 20 - for CIM with Condom on,
extra 50 - for pussy,
extra 100 - anal.
extra 20 - to take top off,
extra 20 - to take the bottom off.
The total damage for me was 50, this was getting more expensive than a FKK Club. I only got a covered BJ, which sucked and did not finish. I decide to leave because it is going to cost me more and cut my losses. As you see, if the big head did not kick in, it would have cost ~200 EURO for a bad session. If wish I can remember her name, but the point is avoid the EROS center, but it is nice to visit and exhausting too much stairs. The EROS center is not cheap.
The Palace, great theme, nice bar and bartender, the bathroom smelled like bad BO, and the management seem so professional. Definitely a visit if you are in Frankfurt. Try to avoid girls that very busy in and out the rooms too much and keeps on hunting. I find those girls will always opt for extras which can be a definite mood killer for me. If this had a steam room and swimming pool it would have been a much better club.
Oase, I've visited this club 6 times in 3 months. What I like about this club is that the food is practially continous. Nice pool, streamroom, dry sauna and an outdoors for summer. Nearly everybody smokes which sometimes it get to my eyes. Its really hard to relax in this club since the music volume it pretty much set at one setting. I would say that this is a great place to visit in the summer time.
I will post the time I had with the girls in the proper forum.
Timber,
Palace has the best steam/hamam facility of any of the FKK"S - you must have missed it. Ur right about the lack of a swimming pool, but in most cases the indoor pools are rarely used anyway for swimming.
Strato,
I've never used the shuttle and I don't know if the service is still available. The info was available in the World ad in Der Bild. Or call and ask.
I'm not sure it this is funny or crazy, but when I travel to this country I usually rent a car and I bring my own pillows and blanket. As soon as I arrive at the airport I would pickup my car and wait till a FKK is open, and I would stay there from openning till it closes.
Now when I leave the club (usually closing time) and looking for a hotel to sleep, some of them are still closed. I usually look for basic hotel/motel just to sleep in and rest. And by the time they open up it's only going to be an hour till the FKK club opens. So I basically end up sleeping in the car until the club is open again. And have my breakfast, lunch and dinner. And the clubs allow you re-entry so I have time to go out and visit city.
I was in Frankfurt for 7 days and I only stayed in a hotel for 2 days. And those days are the ones the I did not go to a FKK club.
I think of it why pay 65 Euro to sleep in a hotel, when I can pay 65 Euro to relax/sleep, a see beautiful women all day, and have sex with them, and food.
So am I the only one who does this?
It's it worth it to get a hotel?
Am I crazy not getting a hotel and sleeping in the car and in the clubs?
Comments appreciated, or PM.
So am I the only one who does this?
It's it worth it to get a hotel?
Am I crazy not getting a hotel and sleeping in the car and in the clubs?
Comments appreciated, or PM.
Crazy? No. But is it not awfully cold in the winter to sleep in the car? I bet that you would not be doing that at the moment with all of the winter storms and snow chaos. Bring a North Face sleeping back next time so that you avoid catching a cold.
To each his own.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Crazy? No. But is it not awfully cold in the winter to sleep in the car? I bet that you would not be doing that at the moment with all of the winter storms and snow chaos. Bring a North Face sleeping back next time so that you avoid catching a cold.
To each his own.
Cheers,
DedalusIt's not cold with the engine running its actually warm. It does eat up about 1 liter of gasoline per hour. One thing that I did notice in this adventure is, I was not the only one doing this. There were a few others in the parking area sleeping. Mostly trucks and a few cars, but the only difference is I did brought blankets. And my typical problem is not bringing enough pillows.
I usually park my car at the autobahn, and I only do this before winter (early November) and early spring (end of Febuary).
If the FKK club never closes, I would probably live there during my vacation.
Patricklim1234
03-07-06, 03:37
Hello all,
I've been a frequent reader of these forums but it is the first time I am actually posting because I decided that I am going to take the plunge into the FKK scene to check things out. One question which I can't seem to find a good consensus answer is on the best time / day to go for the major 3 clubs? Personally I am looking for a good girl / guy ratio to keep my options open. Weekends would logically seem more crowded I assume? Which kind of equates to more guys, though I read a report saying that the number of women scales along with the number of men. And which of the 3 clubs are better for day action, which is better for night action? My timing / dates are pretty flexible the next few weeks, but I want to plan as much as possible beforehand to fully utilize my 2-3 days there.
Thanks in advance for the replies
Patricklim1234
03-07-06, 04:16
Hello all,
I'm pretty sure this question has been asked a lot of times, but I guess I could use an updated answer. I was wondering what were the best times / days to go to the big 3 FKKs where I would get the best male / female ratio. My timing the next 2 weeks is quite flexible and I was thinking of finally taking the plunge into the FKK scene. Was wondering what would be the best time to visit the FKKs and what would be the best days to take the train down to Frankfurt.
Thanks in advance.
Muratlale4
03-07-06, 13:32
The abovementioned two services are quite sought after,and I really think it should be a Forumthread of its own.
Until then, I would like to point out that I received the best BBBJs and CIMs sofar from EE girls.
There should be a medal or some kind of recogniton for girls who do that.
The sad thing is that it is getting harder and harder to get proper head in aksaray. Just being blond and pretty isnt good enough.
Thats my two cents (euro)
regards
It's not cold with the engine running its actually warm. It does eat up about 1 liter of gasoline per hour.
That is crazy. Never go to sleep in a car with a running motor in a place that can get heavy snow or blizzards. It does not take much to have the exhaust somewhat congested and then you can get the fumes into the car = you are dead. This actually in not so uncommon in some northern countries although I am not sure if Germany gets the kind of blizzards that could build up to this, but I would never ever go to sleep in a parked vehicle with the motor running.
Chivaz
Kingwenslas
03-07-06, 21:22
Hi Checkmate,
I have a confession to make – I am also a fan of sleeping in the car. I used to do it when I was a poor student, but now that I have a respectable income I do it for the convenience.
For those who haven’t tried it, just wind the driver’s seat right back, put one pillow in the small of your back and one pillow under your neck. Then snuggle up under a duvet or blanket and dream of sexy women.
Kingwenslas
Patricklim. A sensible question but any answer is bound to be a bit stupid. All that counts is whether you like the girls who are at a club on a particular day - and that is hit and miss.
The only points that can be reasonably made are that Palace should be avoided during a major Messe, and World or Oase avoided if they are having a special event and that it is good to arrive during the afternoon so you get the quieter part of the day and also get the day and evening shift. Saturdays tend to be the busiest day. Whatever you do take your time to watch which girls seem to produce happy customers, and only go with a girl who gives you a good feeling. Don't let a girl who is good at selling fool you into going to a room.
As for male/female ratio - too many girls can be bad as it produces a depressed atmosphere. Normally there are more than enough girls
Patricklim,
In my experience you get much better service when the clubs are quieter during the day.
when its busy, many women can rush to try and get back on the floor where the money is.
Patricklim1234
03-08-06, 12:06
Thanks for the replies. I think I have a rough idea when to go, basically to avoid Saturdays. I was in a chinese nightclub once and I asked one of the girls there when were the busiest times, and she broke it down quite well for me. She said that Fridays and Saturdays were the busiest while Sundays had the least people. Reason is that lots of working people who drop by the city usually come during the weekday, hang around and fly back on Sunday. It thus made sense that Fridays and Saturdays were the busiest since these working people would be trying to 'let it out' before flying back to their home on Sunday.
It kind of relates here as well it seems, except that how many locals go to the FKKs might affect, though I'm not too sure, but isn't Sunday "family day"?
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(...) It kind of relates here as well it seems, except that how many locals go to the FKKs might affect, though I'm not too sure, but isn't Sunday "family day"?It has often been stated on this forum, that Sundays are/can be very quiet in FKK clubs.
Not in my experience, though. I usually visit the FKKs on weekends and yes, Friday and Saturday – especially in the evenings – are often busy. But I've often seen very busy Sundays in Oase or World too (can't really tell about Palace). There were sometimes suprisingly a lot of girls and a reasonable number of men. So, you might give Sunday a chance.
Anyway, I really think you will have a good time on any day in any of the Frankfurt clubs. Don't worry too much, just try to find out what/where suits you best.
Cheers Globus
As I wrote before, I am in Heidelberg for a week or so, and I looked for a place near here, and I went to FKK-Point in Bruschsal. Quite small, only a few girls, I was treated well. But it was a strange club layout, whith very cramped spaces to meet and chat up the girls.
Never the less, two wonderful sessions (Francine from France, and a cute brunette from Greece that I think said her name was Sasha or Sonya). I left happy and complete, and it was a simple buffet but tasty, and entrance only 40. They even have a wheel you can spin for a chance for a free entrance.
But the thought of a larger club from my memory was strong. So last night, I drove up to Frankfurt to my old haunt at Palace. Things have changed. Music louder than ever. Slow attention at the bar. Too many guys standing around not getting even an eyelook from the girls and this was only Thursday. The girls all sitting together, not with guys (not all, of course, but way too many). After quite a while, I did catch the eye of someone who smiled at me, and I suggested we go to a couch, but she pushed for the zimmer right away. Since I had been working up an anticipation, the small brain took over and I agreed. Mistake.
Quick rush to the room, no kissing, rush in the room. Didn't want DATY for more than 1 minute. We changed, and she faked BBBJ (one lick and then spit in her hand and it was all hand. I stopped her and asked that she do it for real, she then said she would not do it at all and we should go to sex right away. After an awkward time where she kept trying to hold on to my penis to limit penetration (I'm not that big, there, I admitted it!) to just an inch or two (I AM bigger than that, thank you!), she then claims 30 minutes have gone by when only 10 have (I had my watch). Ended the session and figured why bother.
After the shower I became an observer: Dozens of guys hanging around, very little effort for many of the girls to do anything but sit there. A few girls servicing a large number of guys in factory style fashion. Before I left, I timed it: I watched 9 guys go with girls, average time was 13 minutes.
So it isn't just me. I didn't see very many smiling faces of guys coming out of rooms. It didn't seem like much fun for many. And I noticed some guys leaving without going with anyone, or after one which is what I did. First time I ever left after one aborted session. Normally I would be good for 2 or 3 or 4 and would enjoy watching and soaking up. No more. This place is now a zoo. Nice zoo with pretty animals, but it isn't pleasant.
This isn't the Palace of a year ago on my last visit. It is likely my last visit there. Why bother. I am going to find the smaller more intimate clubs. If I drive to Frankfurt, maybe it is to see the girls at Dietzenbach. I hope they haven't changed, too.
Maybe I can't find 40 women there, but if there are 6, and 2 or 3 are do-able, and each gives me the nice warm treatment, I am sure I will be happy.
Mark
Will Stewart
03-10-06, 22:29
As I wrote before, I am in Heidelberg for a week or so, and I looked for a place near here, and I went to FKK-Point in Bruschsal. Quite small, only a few girls, I was treated well. But it was a strange club layout, whith very cramped spaces to meet and chat up the girls.
Never the less, two wonderful sessions (Francine from France, and a cute brunette from Greece that I think said her name was Sasha or Sonya). I left happy and complete, and it was a simple buffet but tasty, and entrance only 40. They even have a wheel you can spin for a chance for a free entrance.
But the thought of a larger club from my memory was strong. So last night, I drove up to Frankfurt to my old haunt at Palace. Things have changed. Music louder than ever. Slow attention at the bar. Too many guys standing around not getting even an eyelook from the girls and this was only Thursday. The girls all sitting together, not with guys (not all, of course, but way too many). After quite a while, I did catch the eye of someone who smiled at me, and I suggested we go to a couch, but she pushed for the zimmer right away. Since I had been working up an anticipation, the small brain took over and I agreed. Mistake.
Quick rush to the room, no kissing, rush in the room. Didn't want DATY for more than 1 minute. We changed, and she faked BBBJ (one lick and then spit in her hand and it was all hand. I stopped her and asked that she do it for real, she then said she would not do it at all and we should go to sex right away. After an awkward time where she kept trying to hold on to my penis to limit penetration (I'm not that big, there, I admitted it!) to just an inch or two (I AM bigger than that, thank you!), she then claims 30 minutes have gone by when only 10 have (I had my watch). Ended the session and figured why bother.
After the shower I became an observer: Dozens of guys hanging around, very little effort for many of the girls to do anything but sit there. A few girls servicing a large number of guys in factory style fashion. Before I left, I timed it: I watched 9 guys go with girls, average time was 13 minutes.
So it isn't just me. I didn't see very many smiling faces of guys coming out of rooms. It didn't seem like much fun for many. And I noticed some guys leaving without going with anyone, or after one which is what I did. First time I ever left after one aborted session. Normally I would be good for 2 or 3 or 4 and would enjoy watching and soaking up. No more. This place is now a zoo. Nice zoo with pretty animals, but it isn't pleasant.
This isn't the Palace of a year ago on my last visit. It is likely my last visit there. Why bother. I am going to find the smaller more intimate clubs. If I drive to Frankfurt, maybe it is to see the girls at Dietzenbach. I hope they haven't changed, too.
Maybe I can't find 40 women there, but if there are 6, and 2 or 3 are do-able, and each gives me the nice warm treatment, I am sure I will be happy.
MarkI was at Palace for the first time over the weekend and have to agree with one or two points.
Saturday was busy. Plenty of girls, some of whom did tend to sit around in groups with others mingling etc.
Went with 2 girls in total and exceeded the 13 minutes. First girl came up to me and chatted briefly before suggesting a room. Have read that some do this, and that getting to know them is better, but thought "what the heck, got to start somewhere".
Attractive girl who was fine with as much DATY as I wanted and a nice BBBJ. Did rush the sex part a bit, but most enjoyable with a few positions.
Didn't have a watch, so no idea if I got conned with the time - will wear one in future as I suspect I may have.
Did get a few smiles from other girls after that and a few did come up to me and start to chat with or without physical contact. Eventually picked a girl I liked the look of and she gave a far better GFE. Plenty of kissing and touching and chatting from the start, and since we had to wait 10-15 minutes for a room, plenty more of this near the jacuzzi thing.
No problem with DFK, BBBJ, DATY or positions. Didn't even apply any lube like the first girl. Really great girl :)
As with everything, sees to be hit and miss with the girls there. Some give a better experience than others.
Whether the more forward ones aren't as GFE as the quieter ones, I don't know. I prefer to approach the girl myself as I feel like I'm making the choice rather than someone trying her luck with anyone other after the other who would probably seem too upfront for me.
To be honest, I only saw one girl who seemed to be constantly busy - a very attractive blonde, early 20s / late teens with her hair tied back.
Everyone else was either occasionally doing something, or some, especially the black and Asian looking girls, didn't seem to be having much luck at all.
The Porn Star type girls seemed to spend most of the night lying down in the movie room doing nothing much.
I'm getting in at 7am and going to make my next flight out at 9 pm looking for some advise be the best way to get to FKK in the Frankfut area for all afternoon Oase or Palace I guess is my choice to pick from.
is there anything else, and whats the easiest way to get to them without renting a carlike to just do taxi if its not to expensive.
Thanks for the advise here.
And do these two clubs include beer in the door fee or can you at least buy beer there.
Timber Tree - have I missed a big event? On your list the first entry is Atlantis - the old address. Surely it has not re-opened. There is a new Atlantik in Hanau (a smaller scale club). Don't mean to pick - that's the trouble with trying to help and produce lists - there's always someone who spots a mistake! (Or is it my mistake?)
HornySwede
03-13-06, 18:33
If you have a GPS device in your car or portable, you can use these to find the club that you want. For the pros and newbies, here are the address.
Enjoy!
FKK-Oase Burgholzhausen
N50.22589 E8.68158
Ober-Erlenbacher-Str. 109
61352 Bad Homburg V.d. HöheHave you really been to Oase at these coordinates?
According to may GPS these are better coordinates, N50.24127 E8.67678,
out in the countryside where Oase is really located and not in "downtown"
Ober-Erlenbach.
But your coordinates for Palace and World are the same as mine.
--
HornySwede
Timber Tree
03-14-06, 02:11
I'm withdrawing my post of the club cooridates. I try to help people out and I get comments not being fully up to date. I'm not being selfish here but if you want the list of clubs with the coordinates just PM me.
Timber Tree
03-15-06, 00:12
FKK Palace
N50.12791 E8.62562
Konigsberger Strasse 23
Frankfurt am Main
60487 Hessen
FKK World
N50.52619 E8.74910
Gruningerweg
Pohlheim
35415 Hessen
FKK-Club Atlantis (Closed)
N50.27469 E8.96692
Siemensstr. 4
63674 Altenstadt
FKK-Oase Burgholzhausen
N50.24128 E8.67639
Ober-Erlenbacher-Str. 109
61352 Bad Homburg V.d. Höhe
FKK Dreamland
N51.42975 E8.00397
Arnsberger Str. 20
59759 Arnsberg
FKK Club
N51.49674 E7.19447
Freudenbergstr. 39
44809 Bochum-Hamme
FKK-Club Arabella
N51.48545 E7.12433
Lohrheidestr. 63 44866
Bochum-Wattenscheid
Life 2000
N50.68719 E7.15243
Bonnerstraße 8
53173 Bonn
FKK-Club Dietzenbach
N50.0037 E8.7927
Voltastrasse 4
63128 Dietzenbach
FKK-Pur
N51.09443 E6.81886
Rostockerstr. 13
41540 Dormagen
Inge's Sauna Club
N51.12431 E6.8496
Zollstr. 11 41541
Dormagen/Zons
Club Hollywood
N51.48588 E7.52659
Schüruferstr.
44269 Dortmund
FKK-Club Aplerbeck
N51.49107 E7.55148
Aplerbecker Bahnhofstr. 5
44287 Dortmund/Aplerbeck
Club Belami
N51.50731 E7.39436
Kressenweg 6
44379 Dortmund/Dorstfeld
FKK Club Hohensyburg
N51.425 E7.48009
Hohensyburgstr. 55
44265 Dortmund/Hohensyburg
FKK Party Club 370
N51.45768 E7.52066
Wittbräucker Str. 370
44267 Dortmund/Hörde
Club 111
N51.55 E7.38503
Westerfilderstraße 108
44357 Dortmund/Westerfilde
FKK-Club 539
N51.50928 E7.37632
Martener Str. 539
44379 Dortmund-Marten
FKK Club Dolce Vita
N51.17424 E6.86252
Briedestr. 44 40599
Düsseldorf
Babylon FKK-Sauna-Club
N50.94056 E6.58161 Oststr. 12
50189 Elsdorf (Industriegebiet)
FKK-Party N51.54133 E7.11515
Grimbergstr. 12
45889 Gelsenkirchen
FKK Aphrodite
N51.57965 E7.01163
Buersche Str. 159
45964 Gladbeck
Sauna Exclusiv
N51.70273 E7.82847
Hülskamp 11
59073 Hamm/Heessen
Party Haßlinghausen
N51.31953 E7.26184
Zum Strandbad 32
45549 Haßlinghausen
Bernds Saunaclub
N50.73957 E7.33588
Schieferhof 28
53773 Hennef-Lichtenberg
Haus 18
N52.12798 E8.65289
Ackerstr. 18
32051 Herford
FKK-Club
N51.55453 E7.23029
Werderstr. 76
44628 Herne/Horsthausen
Privat-Club
N51.21207 E6.63364
August-Thyssenstr. 4
41564Kaarst-Holzbüttgen
Schlaraffenland
N51.21669 E6.62309
Bruchweg 134 41564
Kaarst-Holzbüttgen
If-Club FKK Party
N51.56754 E7.67572
Unnaer Str. 40
59174 Kamen
Acapulco Club Sauna
N50.92014 E6.95484
Merowingerstr. 67
50677 Köln
Club Aquarium
N50.95944 E6.95096
Holbeinstr. 49
50733 Köln
Wiago FKK-Sauna-Club
N51.05248 E7.0026
Julius-Doms-Strasse 12 51373
Leverkusen/Küppersteg
Parkschloss Dali
N51.66742 E7.09785
Madfelderstr. 2 34431
Marsberg/Bredelar
Club Cherie
N50.58927 E6.66002
Bruchgasse 10
53894 Mechernich/Eifel
Club Bar
N51.20239 E6.41895
Lindenstraße 128
41063 Mönchengladbach
FKK Oase Sudfass
N48.15301 E11.47876
Peter Anders Str. 4 81245
München-Parsing
FKK Insel
N50.24292 E8.86682
Siemensstr. 36 61130
Nidderau-Heldenbergen
Happy Garden
N51.33525 E6.40532
Butzenstr. 41
47918 Tönisvorst/Oedt
FKK-Sauna
N50.81865 E7.12505
Otto-Hahn-Str. 10
53842 Troisdorf
Club Einsteinstraße
N50.81996 E7.12725
Einsteinstr. 5
53842 Troisdorf
Jenny's Saunaclub
N51.30601 E7.11419
Ringstr.10 42553
Velbert/Neviges
Diana Bar
N51.26313 E6.3954
Rahser Feld 1
41748 Viersen
Club Schneewittchen
N51.23504 E6.41099
Gladbacherstr. 513
41748 Viersen
FKK-Parksauna Wildenrath
N51.13522 E6.19365
Heinsberger Str. 35
41844 Wegberg/Wildenrath
Gut Berstenhorst
N52.51749 E8.20895
Industriestraße 42
49421 Westerkappeln
Haus Chaussee
N51.94758 E11.48584
Chausseestr. 142
59439 Wolmirsleben
I appreciate your putting the list back up.
I'm not the most technologically up to date guy (I am writing this on an older model wood-burning computer), but lots and lots of other people are. Most all of those shiny new Mercedes cabs that zip around Frankfurt have the technology, as well as being able to flash your fare on the rear-view mirror. Here's to the future!
By the way, the coordinates for the old Atlantis will land you within half a city block of the Hotel Zum Goldenen Boden in Altenstadt, Philipp-Reis-Straße 5, 63674 Altenstadt. I've stayed there off and on since Atlantis was alive and well and floating above the waves. Stayed there back in December. Big rooms, 39 euros/night even during Messe times, good standard breakfast, no crowds, no mini-space parking lot full of cars to door-ding up your rental (happened to me TWICE in the multi-story car park at the Holiday Inn in Sachsenhausen). A REWE supermarket about three minutes' ride away, to supply my munchie needs. It's very quiet, and about 25 - 45 minutes drive to any of the big three FKK's, maybe fifteen to twenty minutes to the new Atlantik in Hanau (haven't been there yet).
Whitey
Portraiture
03-15-06, 05:07
Hi all!
I'm a first timer who'll be in Frankfurt soon, and thanks to the years of collective experience here in this wonderful forum I actually feel that I have a decent chance of making it through my first FKK experience :)
One question that I've not found an answer through searching the forum is this: Where do you guys go for the most favorable USD - Euro exchange rate, or any other currency -> Euro for that matter?
Thanks in advance,
Portraiture
and that rewe actually won the german supermarket of the year award once a couple of years ago. i guess that is altenstadt's current claim to fame. i also wonder how many fewer speeding ticket revenues they get with all those speed photo cameras they had set up to catch eager mongers.
Northern Germany(Hamburg)
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FKK-Bergedorf, Hamburg-Bergedorf
Brookkehre 3,21029 Bergedorf
Entry : 40 €, Happy Hour=25 € on Wed 15-20,Fri 18-22,Sat13-01
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Open:Mon-Sun 13-01
http://www.fkk-bergedorf.de/
Club Atmos, Hamburg-Harburg
Gross Mooring 1, 21079 Hamburg
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 30 €
Open:Mon-Sun 13-04
http://www.atmos-saunaclub.de/
FKK 125, Hamburg-Poppenbuttel
Saseler Chaussee 125, 22393 Hamburg
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Open:Mon-Sun 12-01
http://www.fkk-125-hh.de/
Lower Saxony
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FKK Villa, Hannover
Am Tonnesberg 1, 30453 Hannover
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: Anal 50 €
Open:11-03 Every day
http://www.fkk-villa.de
FKK-Zeus, Osnabrück
Otto Lillienstrasse 3, 49134 Wallenhorst
Entry : 30 €
30 min: 70 €
60 min: 120 €
90 min: 170 €
Extras: 50 € FT
Open:10-24, When party: 10-02
http://www.fkk-zeus.de/
Eastern Germany(Brandenburg & Saxony)
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La Folie, Berlin
Kaiser-Friedrich-Strasse 63, 10627 Berlin
Entry: 13 €, incl. 1 Drink
30 min: 70 €
60 min: 140 €
Getränke: Beer 3 €, Wodka-Lemon 5 €, Piccolo 17 €
Extras: Party costs 80 €
http://www.la-folie.de
FKK-Artemis, Berlin
Halenseestraße 32-36, 10711 BERLIN
Entry : 70€
30 min: 60 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: 50 € FT, 100 € Anal
Open : 11-5
http://www.fkk-artemis.de
FKK & Saunaclub Europa, Leipzig
Essener Str. 27a, 04129 Leipzig
Entry : 40 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
http://www.fkk-europa.de/
Western Germay(North Rhein-Westphalia & Saarland)
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Haus 408, Gütersloh
Verler Straße 408,33334 Gütersloh
Entry : 10 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 € incl. FT
Getränke: 0 € Non-Alk
Extras: Red Carpet club ??
Open:Mo-Do 11-01,Fri 11-05,Sat 15-05,Sun 15-01
http://www.haus-408.de
Park Schloss Dali, Bredeler
Madfelder Strasse 2, 34431 Marsberg
Entry : 60 €
30 min: 35 €
60 min: 70 €
Extras: Sleep over for 75 €
Open:14- ??
http://www.parkschlossdali.de/
Blue Note, Düsseldorf
Rather Broich 9, 40472 Düsseldorf
Entry : 55 €
30 min: 30 €
60 min: 60 €
Extras: 30 € FT
Open: Mon-Thu 11-01, Fri-Sat 11-02, Sun 11-24
http://www.saunabluenote.de/
Dolce Vita, Düsseldorf
Briedestrasse 44 40599 Düsseldorf-Reisholz
Entry : 0 € (25 € If you don´t go with a girl)
20 min: 70 €
40 min: 95 €
60 min: 120 €
Extras: Happy Hour 11-14 50 € for 20 min
http://www.fkkdolcevita.de
FKK Tropicana, Dusseldorf/Erkrath-Unterfeldhaus
H. Hertzstrasse 24a, 40699 Erkrath
Entry : 25 € (Only if you don`t go with a girl)
20 min: 65 €
40 min: 99 €
60 min: 129€
Open:Mon-Fri 10-01, Sat-Sun 10-03
http://www.saunaclub-tropicana.de/
Parksauna Wildenrath
Heinsberger Strasse 35, 41844 Wildenrath/Wegberg
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 25 €
60 min: 50 €
Extras: 25 € FO & 25 € FT
Open:Mo-Sa 10-04, Su 17-02
http://www.parksauna-wildenrath.de
Golden Time, Brüggen
Heidweg 1 41379 Bruggen
Entry : 50€
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 €
Extras: 25 € FT, 50 € Anal
Open: Mon-Sat 11-01 Sun 15-01
http://www.goldentime.de
Fkk Cocoon
Mollenkotten 243,42279 Wuppertal
Entry : 50 €
20 min: 25 €
40 min: 50 €
Extras: 10 € FO, 25 € FT
Open: Mon-Fri 10-03, Sat-Sun 12-03
http://www.fkk-cocoon.de/
FKK-Club Aplerbeck
Aplerbecker Bahnhofstrasse 5, 44287 Dortmund/Aplerbeck
Entry : 35€
20 min: 25€
40 min: ?
Open : 10-24
http://www.fkk-aplerbeck.de
FKK La Bouche
Parkstrasse 16, 44532 Lünen
Entry: ??
30 min: ??
60 min: ??
Open:sun-thu 12-01,Fri-sat 12-04
http://www.fkk-la-bouche.de
FKK Amnesia
Westring 233A,44579 Castrop-Rauxel
Entry: 50 €
30 min: ?
60 min: ?
Open: 10-03, sat-sun 12-03
http://www.fkk-amnesia.de/
FKK-Club Arabella
Lohrheidestrasse 63 44866 Bochum-Wattenscheid
Entry : 35 €
20 min: 25 €
40 min: 40 €
Extras:+20 €
Open: 10-24
http://www.fkk-arabella.de/
Fkk Club Paradiso, Bochum-Hamme
Freudenbergstrasse 39, 44809 Bochum-Hamme
Entry: 30 €
30 min:25 €
60 min: ?
Open: Mon-Sat 10-24
http://www.freude39.de
Fkk Heavensgate, Dorsten
Swebenring 36, 46286 Dorsten
Entry: 35 €
20 min: 25 €
60 min: 75 €
Extras: 10 € FO, 25 € FT
Open:10-04
http://www.fkk-heavensgate.de/
Planet Happy Garden (PHG), Oedt
Butzenstrasse 41 ,47918 Tonisvort
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 25 €
60 min: 50 €
Extras: 25 € FO, 25 € CIM, 50 € Anal
Open:11-01, Sun 13-01
http://www.planet-happy-garden.info
FKK Club Babylon, Elsdorf
Oststrasse 12,50189 Elsdorf
Tel 02274-905588
Hours Mon - Sat 12-23
Fri 12-1 Closed Sundays
Entry :30€
30 min: 80 € 1. Nummer 2. Nummer 65 €
60 min: 145 €
Extras: FT inclusive wenn das Mädel es im Programm hat
http://www.babylon-wiago.de/
Fkk Pascha, Koln
Hornstr. 2, 50823 Köln
Entry:100 € (inclunding 30 min action)
30 min: 0 €
60 min: ? €
24 hour open
http://www.pascha-fkk.de/
Sudbad, Köln
Mathias Bruggen Strasse 12, 50827 Koln(Bickendorf)
Eintritt: 50 €
30 Min: 50 €
60 Min: 100 €
Open:13- ?
http://www.sudbad.de/
Samya, Köln-Rodenkirchen
Kirschbaumweg 26 a, 50996 Köln-Rodenkirchen
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 €
Extras: 25 € FT
http://www.samya.de/
Wiago, Leverkusen
Julius-Doms-Strasse 12,51373 Leverkusen
Entry : 40 €
20 min: 45 €
40 min: 90 €
Open : Mo-Sa 16-03
Http://www.babylon-wiago.de
FkK-Burg, Bonn
Im Burgacker 45,53123 Bonn-Duisdorf
Eintritt: 30 €
20 min: 40 €
40 min: 80 €
60 min: 120€
Extras: 30 €
Open: ?
http://www.fkk-burg.de/
Bernds Sauna Club, Hennef-Lichtenberg
Schieferhof 28, 53773 Hennef-Lichtenberg
Eintritt: 70 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Open:Mon-Thu 13-24, Fri 13-01
http://www.bernds-sauna-club.de/
FKK Calygula, Hennef-Michelshohn
Gut Michelshorn, 53773 Hennef/Sieg
Entry : 25 €
30 min: 75 €
60 min: 140€
http://www.fkk-club-calygula.de/
FKK 214, Saarbrücken
Luisenthaler Strasse 214, 66155 Saarbrücken-Burbach
Entry : 55 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100€
Extras: FO 25€
Open:Mon-Fri 11-02, Sat-Son 18-01
http://www.fkk-saarbruecken.com/
Hessen Area
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FKK World, Pohlheim
Grüninger Weg, 35415 Pohlheim-Garbenteich
Entry : 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras:FT 50 €
Open:Sun-Thu 10-04 Fri-sat 10-05
http://www.fkk-world.de/
Sauna-World, Görgeshausen
Brunnenstr. 15, 56412 Görgeshausen
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €
Open: 11-04
http://www.sauna-world.info/cms/index.php
Fkk Palace, Frankfurt-Hausen
Königsbergerstr. 23, 60487 Frankfurt / M - Hausen (City)
Eintritt: 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €;
Open: 10-04
http://www.fkk-palace.de/
Fkk Malibu, Nidderau-Heldenbergen
Siemensstraße 36, 61130 Nidderau-Heldenbergen
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €Extras: FT 50 €, Tuesday:Dessous-night
Open: 10-04
http://www.fkk-malibu.de/
Fkk-Oase, Burgholzhausen
Ober-Erhlenbacher Strasse 109, 61381 Friedrichdorf-Burgholzhausen
Entry : 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €; AV 100€
http://www.fkk-oase.de/
Dietzenbach "DerALDI"
Voltastrasse 4,63128 Dietzenbach
Entry : 10 € (+30 €if you don't go with a girl)
30 Min: 50 €
60 Min: ?
Extras: Anal und FT 50 €
Open: 11-24
http://www.fkk-40.de/index2.html
FKK Atlantik - Hanau
Oderstrasse 10, Industriegebiet Nord, 63452 Hanau
Entry : 55 €
30 min : 50 €
60 min : 100 €
Extras : FT 50 €, VIP Card 5*Entry = 220 €
Open:Sun-Thu 10-03, Fri-Sat 10-05
http://www.atlantik-fkk.de
Souther Germany(Bayern & Baden-Wurtemberg)
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FKK Stuttgart, Stuttgart
Marienstrasse 38b, 70178 Stuttgart
Entry : 55 €
30 min: 55 €
60 min: 110 €
Extras: 25 € FT, 25 € Anal
http://www.fkk-stuttgart.de/
FKK-Haus, Fellbach near Stuttgart
Schaflandstrasse 11/1 (2.OG), 70736 Fellbach
Entry: 50 €
30 min: 55 €
60 min: 110 €
Extras: 25 € FT, 50 € Anal
Open:Sun-Thu 11-02 Fri-Sat 11-04
http://www.fkk-haus.com/
Flamingo Island, Karlsruhe-Ettlingen
Ferdinand Porsche Stasse 6, 76275 Ettlingen (Near Karlsruhe)
Entry : 55 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Getränke: 0 € Non-Alk
Extras: FT 50 €, Bathrobe 5 €
Open: Sun-Thu 11-02, Fri-Sat 11-03
http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de/
FKK-Point, Bruchsal
Industriestrasse 22, 76646 Bruchsal
Eintritt: 35 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: Sunday:Strapstag
Open: ?
http://www.fkk-point-bruchsal.de
FKK-Paradies Pascha, Villingen-Schwenningen
In Dickenhart 8,78054 Vs-Schwennigen
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 60 €
60 min: 120 €
90 min: 180 €
Open: 12-05
http://www.fkk-pascha.com/
FKK Sudfaß OaseS, München-Pasing
Peter-Anders-Strasse 4, München-Pasing 81245
Entry: 55 €
30 min: 75 €
60 min: 125 €
Extras: 75 € (FO, Anal)
Open:11-04
http://www.fkkmuenchen.de
Fkk Colosseum, Augsburg
Gubener Straße 13,86156 Augsburg
Eintritt: 60 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €
Open:Sun-Fri 14-01, Mon-Sat 14-03
http://www.fkk-colosseum.de/
Privater Tempel FKK der Lust
Gattingerstraße 2,97076 Würzburg
Entry : ? €
30 min: ? €
60 min: ? €
Open: ?
http://www.fkk-tempel.com/
Fkk Sylt, Nürnberg
Lichtenfelser Strasse 2, 98427 Nürnberg
Entry: 60 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €
Open:12-04
http://www.fkk-sylt.de/
Hi all!
I'm a first timer who'll be in Frankfurt soon, and thanks to the years of collective experience here in this wonderful forum I actually feel that I have a decent chance of making it through my first FKK experience :)
One question that I've not found an answer through searching the forum is this: Where do you guys go for the most favorable USD - Euro exchange rate, or any other currency -> Euro for that matter?
Thanks in advance,
Portraiture
That's a damn good question and probably deserves a lot of experienced answers from various forum members. I have AN answer, but certainly not THE answer:
If I haven't brought back enough kicking around euros from my last trip, I get just enough kicking around money here in the States from my bank (Commerce Bank) so that I don't have to worry about incidentals like cab fare, restaurant money & tips, etc. when I step off of the plane - usually 500 Euro. This is an expensive business for me because they add on a "convenience" kicker to whatever the daily euro rate is, and it's kind of pricey. But it puts euros in your pocket before you ever leave home. Note: not all banks handle foreign exchange.
The add-on price is something you'll have to deal with no matter what, though, because unless you're buying Euro's by the armored truck load, you aren't going to get them at the daily posted rate that you can find on internet conversion sites. Everybody in the money trade business is going to have an additional fee, usually percentage points.
Anyway, once I'm there in Europe I use my Commerce Debit Card instead of a regular credit card to make daily or every other day withdrawals from bank ATM's in Germany. You'll need a debit card that also functions as a Visa card to make that happen (I think). Anyway, that's what mine is. The fee rate is lower than just converting sawbucks into euros at some money exchange place. And never, never, never take American Express checks. I did that the first time I went to Amsterdam many years ago, and got ripped off by the highest percentage of any money-exchange scheme.
The German ATM's (Geldautomats) will give instructions in several languages, including English, and aren't any more difficult to operate than American ATM's.
Whitey
(Okay, I'm done. Now some other monger can chime in and point out what a dufus I am because they have a WAY better scheme for converting to euros. Bring it on. I'm all for cheaper ways to do things!)
Generally anywhere in the world an ATM machine is going to give you the best rate.
You might want to check with your home bank in case they have an agreement with any particular bank for no or lowered fees on their ATM's. for example, with my Deutsche Bank card I can get money at any Bank of america Branch with no ATM fee. The Bank to Bank Rate via ATM is pretty good, and pretty close to what I get when I use a credit card abroad.
Germany has excellent infrastructure, and tonnes of ATM's, so the chances that you will have a problem finding one that works are very small.
that being said, nothing sucks more than if you get here and then discover your Bank Card doesn't work and you cannot monger.
For that eventuality I would advise you take enough cash in your home currency to cover your whole trip including mongering and Hotel costs, just in case nothing else works (has happened to me on trips where neither my credit card nor bank card would work.
You keep this home currency money safe, and in case nothing else works, at least you can transfer this money and still save your mongering experience.
If you don't have to use it, then just take it home with you, and since it is in your currency you have no costs other than the minimal interest you are missing.
germany has excellent infrastructure, i totally agree. and there is no speed limit that is just great.
no it is only in germany the fkk-clubs can evolve, germany is one of the best organized countries in the world. it isn`t for the old german saying "ordnung muss sein" . it is great an it works.
Will Stewart
03-15-06, 23:24
I was in Frankfurt a week or so ago and had problems getting money from ATMs.
First off, you've got to find them - not quite as commonplace as here in the UK. The main railway station has one for sure and that worked fine with any of my Visa debit/credit cards, whereas some others I came across wouldn't accept any of my cards as they were issued by non-German banks - the ATM near the desk at The Palace accepts German cards only (and a 5% charge I think for using it) - supposed to be a normal ATM near by though but I never saw it.
You really need to be near the main station or shopping area to find any and that's on pretty much the other side of the city from The Palace for example.
Still suprised what with the amount of banks etc in the city how hard it is to find one.
Love Sex 22
03-16-06, 01:22
I am going to visit berlin next week any fkk in berlin with preety girls that do extras as bbj cim . thanks
Will,
The train station is not a good neighbourhood and doesn't have a lot of ATM's. Palace is in an industrial area, and they tend not to have banks, If you go downtown or to a shopping area there are always tonnes of bank machines around. All the ones at banks take international cards, as long as those are in the Maestro or Plus network (you should see that sympbol on the back of your card). Because there are fees for usage at a lot of banks, you should take as much out per withdrawal as you think you will need. do it all in one go.
In the small towns where many FKK's are they usually only have a Sparkasse (with the Red S symbol) and Volksbank. These are more Credit Unions than real banks, but they are the only game in town in a lot of these small towns.
22,
RTFF! But the names of the clubs worth visiting in Berlin are FKK Artemis or Club La Folie. Use those search terms and you will find plenty of info. And the service the girls offer is up to them (above club standard BBBJ and covered sex) and not determined by any particular club. So you have to ask the provider.
Love Sex 22
03-16-06, 07:38
I read some of the reviews about artemis and la folie . not very good . i am a first timer to an fkk . the best city and the best fkk as far as girls looks and the service that you can recomend i have few extra days .
There is an ATM not far away from Palace, and it is actually easy to find:
1. Directions from Palace: 3mnts walking distance.
Follow Königbergstrasse 30 meters to the right, then take Neue Börsenstrasse 200 meters to the right. You will pass Insterburgerstrasse on the way and finally reach Trakehner Strasse. The Geldautomat (ATM) is on the other side of the crossroad of Neue Börsenstrasse/Trakehner Strasse (Degussa Bank).
2. Directions from the infamous IBIS hotel in Breitenbachstrasse 7: 2 mnts walking distance.
Follow Trakehner Strasse (which starts right outside the hotel) 50 meters until it crosses Neue Börsenstrasse. The ATM (Geldautomat) is on your left before the crossroad (Degussa Bank). After cashing out, just follow Neue Börsenstrasse 200 meters to the right until it reaches Königbergstrasse. Palace is then 30 meters to your left.
3. Directions from U-Bahn stop "Industrihof/Neue Börse":
Cross the rails to the infamous brickwall. Follow this to the left for approx 100 meters to IBIS Hotel. Then follow directions under (2) above.
Now, should the Geldautomat in Trakehner Strasse/Neue Börsenstrasse be empty, it is just another clear sign that I was there a few minutes before on my way to Palace to enjoy myself silly ... Have mercy! *grin*.
If you are on your way to World via A5 and need some extra cash, there is an ATM at Rasthauf Wetterau (not sure about spelling). It is a Shell gas station with a restaurant 50 feet further. The restaurant has ATM inside. The Rasthauf is aprox 20 km before you exit A5 to World (that is if you exit at the Fernwald exit).
I usually get my extra cash there as I would hate to have to find out the World ATM not working (remember couple of times it was not working. Luckily I had enough cash at the time).
Chivaz
Crazy? No. But is it not awfully cold in the winter to sleep in the car? I bet that you would not be doing that at the moment with all of the winter storms and snow chaos. .... Rent a VW or similar camper, which has a built in heater! Cost only a few Eu more than avrg car.
I cruise by motorhome and park right at the FKK's premises. Google with 'motohome rental Germany. http://fkkguide.cyberfreehost.com
If the FKKs discriminate, it's not illegal at all since they are private clubs and not public accommodations. Just like most better nightclubs and discos with doormen and dress code. This is based on past bad experiences with cultural insensitivity or bad behavior of certain groups and not ideological racism.
At the club I ran a few years ago, we got them all, and let them all come in, if they could pay the entry fee, but occasionally ejected one or two drunks, mysogennists, loudmouths, fight-pickers, ect which came from all races and classes.
Among the good clients we had laborers, farmers, office geeks, teachers, artists, movie and popstars, politicians, disabled, barely legal aged and >70 olds, blacks, Asians, Jews, Arabs, Turks ect, ect...even Aryans...
Even if a FKK has a selective door policy they will usually let anybody nice in upon referral by a guide as myself. http://fkkguide.cyberfreehost.com
Rayboy,
sorry to hear about it but Freudenberg is a club that is very open about their racial policy. It says so on their home page, it says so in the newspaper, they are quite clear about it. It says German Run and for Germans only, but our friends from holland are welcome as well. On their home page guestbook a swede asks what about swedes, and they say people from northern climes are welcome, it is targeted mainly at southerners.
Peter
Please excuse my ignorance, but why this IBIS hotel near FKK Palace so infamous? Am I missing something?
I think that's just a flip term. It's no Gem of German Hotelery, though, I'll tell you that. I've stayed there before. There's a fairly decent little eatery there which is open for some hours of the day, although I don't remember it being open at night. And there's a little micro-bar right inside the main entrance, next to the reception counter, where you can buy booze. I don't drink, but I have bought cola there to take up to the room. 2 euro, I think, for a very small bottle of coke. If you want to make a monger report from there for some reason, you have to do it right out in the lobby seating area where anybody walking by can see what you're writing or looking at.
It's a business hotel in an industrial area of Hausen, which is a district north and a little west of the Hauptbanhoff, maybe 6km (I'm just guessing about the distance - it's 12 minutes by cab, unless the traffic is bad, which it IS in the morning). My back-facing room had a magnificent third-floor view of some long 3-story office building right across a parking lot. I watched some people through their windows wandering around what appeared to be a lab of some sort, moving things around. Unbelievably interesting.
The bed was slab-hard and the room was spartan in appearance. The closest American equivalent would be Motel 6 quality. Not Motel 6 price, though.
The two redeeming features are 1) you can get on the U-bahn after about a 2-minute walk and haul ass back downtown on the 6 or 7 line where things are more interesting, and 2) as someone elsewhere famously said: "it's a five-minute walk to FKK Palace, and a 20-minute walk back." :~)
It's not cold with the engine running its actually warm. It does eat up about 1 liter of gasoline per hour. One thing that I did notice in this adventure is, I was not the only one doing this. There were a few others in the parking area sleeping. Mostly trucks and a few cars, but the only difference is I did brought blankets. And my typical problem is not bringing enough pillows.
I usually park my car at the autobahn, and I only do this before winter (early November) and early spring (end of Febuary).
If the FKK club never closes, I would probably live there during my vacation.Watch for carbon monoxide! Can be fatal, but it would be a nice way to go, wouldn't it? Die happy in a FKK car park.
Why not rent a small camper with a built in safe propane heater, or at least an estate (= station wagon, break, Kombi). I checked the rates and they seem to be maybe only 15-20% higher than the average car.
There are a few 24/7 all night FKKs and some offer cheap/free overnight stays in the rooms.
I'll be cruising the FKKs by motorhome this spring/summer and you might want to join the gang. See http://fkkguide.cyberfreehost.com
Hello all,
I've been a frequent reader of these forums but it is the first time I am actually posting because I decided that I am going to take the plunge into the FKK scene to check things out. One question which I can't seem to find a good consensus answer is on the best time / day to go for the major 3 clubs? Personally I am looking for a good girl / guy ratio to keep my options open. Weekends would logically seem more crowded I assume? Which kind of equates to more guys, though I read a report saying that the number of women scales along with the number of men. And which of the 3 clubs are better for day action, which is better for night action? My timing / dates are pretty flexible the next few weeks, but I want to plan as much as possible beforehand to fully utilize my 2-3 days there.
Thanks in advance for the repliesIt's a crazy, unpredictable business those FKKs. As I mentioned before I was running one a few yrs back and there seemed to be NO discernable pattern. It's all about weather, holidays, season, day of the week, economy, politics sports events on TV, ect ect. Weekends wer actually slow because then the men had to be home with thier families. Remember: their biggest customer base are the local pillars of the community: family men with money, not single guys and tourists.
That's why most of the FKKs never seem to close, not even for big holidays.
My craziest/best experience was Christmas Day at the Fashion Partytreff in Bonn-Hersel in 2002: The place was jammed with about 50 couples and 50 solo guys and gals when I got there at 2015 (they open at 20oo) and action was hot already. Probably because all other entertainment places were closed for the holiday.
Best advice: Just show up and take your chances.
The bed was slab-hard and the room was spartan in appearance. The closest American equivalent would be Motel 6 quality. Not Motel 6 price, though.
Suprise suprise, Ibis and Motel 6 have the same parent company, Accor Hotels of France.
Hi Checkmate,
I have a confession to make – I am also a fan of sleeping in the car. I used to do it when I was a poor student, but now that I have a respectable income I do it for the convenience.
KingwenslasSame here, I hate hotels, but why not bring a camper (if you're renting, it's only a few Eu more than an average car), or at least an estate (station wagon, break).
I go by motorhome with my FKK tour groups.
http://fkkguide.cyberfreehost.com
That is crazy. Never go to sleep in a car with a running motor in a place that can get heavy snow or blizzards. It does not take much to have the exhaust somewhat congested and then you can get the fumes into the car = you are dead. This actually in not so uncommon in some northern countries although I am not sure if Germany gets the kind of blizzards that could build up to this, but I would never ever go to sleep in a parked vehicle with the motor running.
ChivazYes, we do get a lot of snow, too, and you don't need to get snowed in: with no wind or wrong wind direction carbon-monoxide can creep in through holes in the car floor. Rent a small camper with built in heater ('Standheizung'). I monger with some buddies by motorhome in style and comfort. http://fkkguide.cyberfreehost
Suprise suprise, Ibis and Motel 6 have the same parent company, Accor Hotels of France.Yup, they're everywhere. Even in Bangkok where they own the Chateau de Bangkok, my fave serviced apartment style hotel. Girl-friendly and very elegant. Probably same price as the Ibis or Motel 6 too, but MUCH better. That's why in Germany I prefer to travel and overnight by motorhome.
I think it is unfair to criticise Ibis hotels. They deliver what they promise, no more no less at ususally a decent price. When mongering, I just need one clean bbed and a private bathroom, and Ibis provide this a low ciost. If I want more luxury, I go to other Accor hotels, 3 stars like Novotel and/or Mercure, or 4 stars like SDofuitel.
There is an ATM not far away from Palace, and it is actually easy to find:
1. Directions from Palace: 3mnts walking distance.
Follow Königbergstrasse 30 meters to the right, then take Neue Börsenstrasse 200 meters to the right. You will pass Insterburgerstrasse on the way and finally reach Trakehner Strasse. The Geldautomat (ATM) is on the other side of the crossroad of Neue Börsenstrasse/Trakehner Strasse (Degussa Bank).
2. Directions from the infamous IBIS hotel in Breitenbachstrasse 7: 2 mnts walking distance.
Follow Trakehner Strasse (which starts right outside the hotel) 50 meters until it crosses Neue Börsenstrasse. The ATM (Geldautomat) is on your left before the crossroad (Degussa Bank). After cashing out, just follow Neue Börsenstrasse 200 meters to the right until it reaches Königbergstrasse. Palace is then 30 meters to your left.
3. Directions from U-Bahn stop "Industrihof/Neue Börse":
Cross the rails to the infamous brickwall. Follow this to the left for approx 100 meters to IBIS Hotel. Then follow directions under (2) above.
Now, should the Geldautomat in Trakehner Strasse/Neue Börsenstrasse be empty, it is just another clear sign that I was there a few minutes before on my way to Palace to enjoy myself silly ... Have mercy! *grin*.
I know that ATM very well, walked through the snow storm to get to it on my recent visit, you'd think they have a atm inside or outside of the facility.
The walk was well worth it though, the money came in handy when it came time to hook up with the lovelies in there.
mmmm, the memories!
Just was surfing around and saw the people who run Parkschloss Dali are opening a new club that definitely looks like the biggest club ever.
http://www.parkschlossdali.de/html/home_lippspringe.html
I looked the Area up, and it is near their other club, but looks to be better accessible from the highway, and right in the area of Bielefeld. That means it is a legitimate destination for anyone who has to go from the Rhein/Ruhr area towards Hannover or Berlin. If you look at the pics, they sure as hell are putting a lot of money into it.
They will be opening up on the 5 of May, at least that is what it says on the homepage.
Te other reopening that I want to mention is of my homefield club (Wildenrath). I will admit there aren't that many good girls there now (Victoria is the exception, maybe Monica), they are rebuilding like crazy.
It looks like the place will have th eold atmosphere of the FKK days. They are putting lots of sofas in, having more areas where you can sort of pull yourself back a bit from the crowd.
It really looks like they are going to make it nice, and they also are planning on changing the price structure. They aren't 100% certain of the final prices for rooms, but what is definite is that they aren't going to be charging an entrance fee. And they mean that honestly, which means if you come in drink a couple of waters or fantas and decide not to go with a girl then you leave and you didn't pay a cent.
A new rule from the tax authorities makes it possible. The girls now have to pay room rent for taxes. Not necessarily per room, but on a basis per day. It isdifferent city to city, and ranges from 15-25€. Being way out in the sticks, PSW lands in the 15€ range.
So not sure what the prices will be, but I know the club is betting on MANY more visitors and making the entrance fee up through volume.
I hope it works out.
I have been giving the guys my breakdowns of what I book on a visit and how much the whole thing is costing me, and I hope it doesn't make my visits significantly more expensive, but it looks like anyone with under 4 sessions will end up spending less.
For those who want to know what mya normal spending on a visit looks like:
2 One Hour sessions, no extras
1 half hour session no extras
so normally I am looking at 250€ for a visit.
Yesterday I had one 2 hour session, and two half hour sessions, so it was 275€.
I am not a big "Extras" guy.
Just was surfing around and saw the people who run Parkschloss Dali are opening a new club that definitely looks like the biggest club ever.WOW! looks huge! I like the FREE admission policy, if they don't rip us off on 'room service', drinks and food. Wish 'em luck, even if the 'Harem' theme seems a bit overused and now counter-trend, if you know what I mean.
In any case Bad Lippspringe is a lovely area in the foothills of the Teutoburger Wald and I remember it fondly from the 2 years I lived there.
Harem will have an entrance fee.
It is Wildenrath who is absolutely planning a no admission policy.
I think it is a mistake and the club will be too full on peak days. And no rooms mean no sex.
I went to Heavensgate today for the first time in about two years. That place is excellent right now. Tonnes of girls for such litttle club in the middle of nowhere on a Sunday. I had two excellent sesssions with Tonja and Kelly, and there were at least 3 other girls I would have gone with.
They have the pricing I think Wildenrath should take over. It is 25€ each 20 minutes, with an additional 10€ for BBBJ, but that just once, and entrance is normally 35€ with some happy hours where it is 25€. Kissing and DATY is included in those prices, if the girls offer it, and CIM is 25€ extra and anal is 50€. It is also clearly stated that there is no upcharge for multiple positions. I think posting it all so clearly and in 3 different locations makes sure the men understand the pricing and that the women all stick to the real pricing.
I considered it an excellent value, and a nice place in general.
SobeLizard
04-18-06, 21:22
Hi All,
I need advise on renting a BMW or Mercedes or Porsche in Frankfurt.
Arriving in May 9th.
Sobe, go to budget or any of the cheapest rental places and reserve a mercedes or Porche...get the confirmation number and then go to http://www.kemwel.com/index.cfm You then rent the same auto from Kemwel. Then you ask them to match and beat the other rate you found. Budget is usually the cheapest rate...but find the lowest rate possible and they'll beat it.
They will match and beat any offer. Dont take any auto insurance from the rental place, make sure the credit card you pay the car with gives you coverage on any auto rental first though.
kemwel will only match or beat a USA based car rental rate. The USA companies are not big here. The main companies and the only ones with decent cars are Sixt and Europcar - both of which are german companies.
Budget is a crap company here with only two categories, a 49€ rate and a 69€ daily rate. They have no good cars. Hertz also has no good locations and no good cars.
Far and away the best car rental company is six and www.sixt.de . You cannot book a porsche there, they rarely have those, but they have BMW's and Mercedes Galore.
They don't have any 6 series BMW's that I have seen, but a tonne of 5's, and with mercedes they have E's and S's and I have seen CL's and stuff.
I have no idea if you are looking for something more exotic than that, but all of those are very affordable, and mostly under 100€ a day (including X5's and the like). If you want real exotics, I have no idea, but it will probably cost over 300€ a day, and then you are just a freak.
I just looked, the current deal is the new Mercedes R Class for 111€ a day.
The kemwel thing is also based on categories, not on specific car.
SobeLizard
04-19-06, 19:26
Does anyone have GPS coordinates for all the FKK's in Frankfurt, Berlin, Prague, etc.
Let's get together and compile a list.
Sobe,
If you are looking for the high end rent, you can check out Elite. They are based in Switzerland, but will deliver pretty much anywhere in W-Europe (think they have an office in Munchen). You can even get a Ferrari or Lamborghini there. Be prepared to pay high prices.
Peter is right about Sixt, they have the best deal in the mainstream cars and they have a decent selection of Audis, BMWs and MBs, but only the "small" engine ones. I frequently rent from them. Never gotten a BMW there (you also choose classes there), but often Audi or MB. Over half the time I have rented there I have been upgraded by a class or two. But these are no rockets though.
There was one German company that was kind of in between, i.e. rented out Porches and such at a decent price but also mainstream cars (I remember they having Chrysler Crossfire on a pretty good deal), but I can't remember the name of it. Remember their startpage had kind of a steering wheel with the different classes located on different places on the wheel. Anyone remember the name?
Be aware that all the companies that deal in the exotic car rent will have a pretty low milage included in the daily rate.
Chivaz (who usually chooses to spend less on rent and more on girls)
Patricklim1234
04-19-06, 22:21
Overall
<Insert usual disclaimer stating to each his own and my taste may not coincide with yours. I ask for everyone's understanding as these reports are my first, along with the fact that it was my first time in Germany / FKK-Club. Keep in mind also that this is just a report of my experiences, it may not coincide with yours, and I do not make any guarentee whatsoever>
Please refer to my reports on
World: Located in the FKK World Thread - http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1464
Oase: Located in the FKK Oase Thread - http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1096
Palace: Located in the FKK Palace Thread - http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1867
Having spent 3 wonderful days in Frankfurt, I'll have to thank all the experienced forum goers for introducing me to the world of FKK. It is truly an amazing experience, and I can't think of how the FKK concept can be improved any better. You have naked girls walking around and you can go around taking your pick, when you want sex, you get it.
That being said, I feel that as it is the first time for me in an FKK club, along with the fact that I had the luck of experiencing all 3 clubs within a few days, I think that I hold some credibility in comparing the 3 clubs. I will state here some appropriate categories, ranked from best to worse with some elaboration:
Facilities: World, Oase, Palace
World wins hands down pretty much, with a whirlpool, sauna, and a pool (which people actually use). Palace is constrained pretty much, I am guessing due to the close proximity to the main city (and subsequently the high rent associated with it).
Proximity (from Frankfurt main city): Palace, Oase, World
There's no competition really. Palace is the easiest to access to, it only costs roughly 10 Euros via Taxi from the main train station, while both Oase and World involve a train ride away. Of course for goers who drive, this might not be that huge a factor.
Girls: Oase, World, Palace
Personally I found the standard of girls in Palace pretty bad, besides 1-2 real stunners, the rest were largely below Average. To be fair to World, I was only there for one day and perhaps should give it another shot. For the staticians, I felt that the spread of quality of girls in World was a bell curve, where there were many averages with a few stunners / duds. Compare this to Oase where it would be an inverted bell curve, not many on the average, but a lot of stunners / duds.
I'll be outright frank that I was exhausted by about 2-3 shots per day, and thus I did not feel that there was any real need to have many average looking girls. I only needed 2-3 real stunners, which Oase was able to provide.
Guy/Girl Ratio (Least number of guys to most number of girls): Oase, World, Palace
Due to it's close proximity to the city, Palace was crowded with men. The men came in groups and it pretty much turned me off. The only real issue here was that real stunners would be in and out of rooms pretty often and you'd have to wait for your turn. Perhaps I went to World on a bad day, but each time I left Oase, the number of men never went above the number of women, which scored high points for me.
Food: Oase tied with Palace, World
The food provided in world was sufficient, but definitely not a spread. It felt like it wasn't catered but rather hastily cooked up in the kitchen. I know that Oase's food is catered as I saw the guy bringing the food in. Palace scored points here for "decorating" the layout of the food.
Drinks: Palace, Oase, World
Again I was only there for one day in World, but I left with the impression that they only served soft drinks. Now, I don't mind soft drinks, but the gas buildup kind of annoys me after a while. I am a huge coffee fan, and this is where Palace won me over, the coffee in Palace is so much better than Oase.
Overall: Oase, World, Palace
It should be pretty obvious that I fell in love with Oase. The standard of girls was very high. Put it simply, everytime I left Oase, I always had to tell myself that "okie, next time I come I'll have to try this girl". I did not get the same feeling from neither Palace or World. Sure, they had some good looking women, but none I'd really want to get in bed with.
The other factor which swung me was actually their subscription to the channel "premier live". Put it this way, I can't have sex the whole day, but I can watch sports the entire day. And this I found to be a great channel for in-between-shot rests.
World was a little too far in my opinion. 40mins one way on the train means almost 2hrs travelling each trip. Compare this to a 20min per trip to Palace and an hour per trip to Oase.
If you've read all of my reports and got this far, I thank you for staying with me. I'm almost done! To be honest, after this trip I realised how dumb my previous questions on which would be a better place to go on which day were. To a certain extent each club is a hit and miss, the girls change pretty often. For example, on the two days I was at Oase, about 1/3 of the girls I saw on the first day wasn't there on the second day, and vice versa. I would then assume that the 'daily turnover' of girls to be pretty high. In short, you can't really go drastically wrong in either of the 3 clubs. But here's my recommendation, if you are short for time, go ahead with Palace, but if you can afford the 1hr of travelling to and from Oase, do make the trip there. If you're sick of Oase, then should you only check out World.
To those who has never been to an FKK: It is one hell of an experience. If you are into this hobby, it is something you cannot miss trying at least once in your life. I draw an anology with any Wonder of the World. You can read all the facts about the Grand Canyon and how the river crafted the canyon for many many years. You can look at pictures and documentaries on Grand Canyon. But the feeling at which you get there, and you tell yourself, "woah".
To those who have been to FKKs and have been readily providing reports: Please continue. If not for your recommendations, I would not have had such a great time. I believe what most want are current comparisons on clubs, which club is better to go at this point in time. Personally I am not interested on how great Palace was 6 months ago. But rather, "if I were to go to Frankfurt tomorrow, which is the best club for me".
Thanks to all who have actually got this far, I'll try to answer any questions, though I'm not too used to answering PMs, posting the question directly on the forums might be a better idea.
Hello Patrick,
Nice set of reports! Sounds like we have some similar tastes. I am a bit envious of the threesome with Olga and Adrienne. I sampled them both on Saturday, but not at the same time.
At the moment I am more a World-man and I would disagree with you on the food rankings. I think Oase often serves ptomaine (it use to be much better). Oase does have a pretty good stable of ladies at the moment but World has been the most consistent since the beginning of the year. Palace seems to be in a huge rut and has lost some of its best talent of late. (Oh, Marina. Where are you?)
Next time you do the Frankfurt FKK tour, consider renting a car. It is just much easier and a great deal more flexible. Might have made World a bit more enjoyable.
Cheers,
Dedalus
excellent report patrick!
I would rank them similarly, although I really haven't been in the Frankfurt area lately.
I hear from girls that Oase is really dropping the entrance fee for women to 35€ daily, so they really are banking on getting the most girls, and that might be the key. I have almost always gotten a great orgy atmosphere on Oase visits, which I haven't gotten in my limited trips to World and Palace.
Patricklim1234
04-20-06, 00:59
Useless bits of trivia between the 3 clubs. (World, Palace and Oase)
1. Towel color.
Palace is dark blue, World has white towels while Oase has towels of two colors, yellow and light blue.
2. Location of clocks.
Palace has one above the entrance to the men's changing room. World has one right above the bar, while Oase's clock is located opposite the bar.
3. Palace's TV in the main lounge was showing MTV. World's TVs in the main lounge was showing porn. Oase only had 2 TVs (Not counting the Kino), 1 at the bar showing sports, the other at the dining area showing news.
4. Continuing on point 3, World has the most number of Plasma TVs (4 in the main lounge and another 1 in the sports area). Palace's TVs are all CRT.
5. (99% sure on this) Palace has the shortest towels in terms of width. It is still wide enough, don't worry, unless of course your dick when soft is 18 inches long and hanging downwards.
6. Only Oase serves their soft drinks right from the bottle. Both World and Palace has those MacDonalds kind of machines where you press some kind of button and the drink comes out.
7. Palace has 2 strip dancing poles (Whatever you call them), Oase has one, and World has only one.
8. World is wheelchair friendly, not too sure about the other two.
9. Only in World do you not get to eat on high chairs (like those in bars). There's a huge dining table where people usually eat their dinner. Both Oase and Palace require you to sit on a high chair for meals.
10. The lockers (to put your clothes) in Palace is wider, but shorter (my jacket had to be folded up). Oase and World have the same-sized lockers, very thin but high enough to put your shirt / jacket so that they "hang".
11. The "bracelet" (your key) is the same kind in World and Oase. The "bracelet" is secured by slipping the strap through two 'loops'. (Pardon if my terminology is wrong, hope you guys understand). The "bracelet" in Palace is more professional, watch like. Did not have problems with either one though.
12. Plates used when eating. (Someone else better confirm this if anyone cares) Palace provides plastic blue, Oase provides plastic white while World has ceremic white.
13. Continuing from point 12, World provides the smallest plates to eat, about half the size of Oase and Palace. Both Oase and Palace's plates are roughly the same size.
SobeLizard
04-20-06, 01:38
Does anyone have reports on getting a nice hotel at an affordable rate?
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I hear from girls that Oase is really dropping the entrance fee for women to 35€ daily, so they really are banking on getting the most girls, and that might be the key.
Hey Peter,
Do you know if Mauro has already done this? It could have some drawbacks as well. Sure would be ashamed if every Laufhaus girl in Frankfurt made a beeline for BHH.
Both Oase and World have benefited of late from that wave of Austrian workers that came through Frankfurt. Golden Time in Vienna was closed and some pretty hot numbers from that club were (and still are) plying their trade in both Polheim and Burgholzhausen.
There was a knockout named Paola at World that I bet you would have died for. Just your type.
Cheers,
Dedalus
SobeLizard
04-20-06, 07:41
Hi,
I am plan on visiting Frankfurt during May 9th.
I like to know if anyone wants to get together?
TIA
Sobelizard
Useless bits of trivia between the 3 clubs. (World, Palace and Oase)
...Oase only had 2 TVs (Not counting the Kino), 1 at the bar showing sports, the other at the dining area showing news...
...(99% sure on this) Palace has the shortest towels in terms of width. It is still wide enough, don't worry, unless of course your dick when soft is 18 inches long and hanging downwards...
Hi Patrick,
Great reports.
Palace has two sets of towels, but the larger ones are somtimes not available in the locker room. Then you just go to the reception and ask for a large towel.
World also has two size of towels. The larger ones are to your right when you enter the reception and the smaller ones to your left right by the entrance into the locker room. I always go for the larger ones as it covers the bed better.
And not that it really matters as the quality of porn is crap in these places, but Oase has some TVs in the main rooms showing porn.
Chivaz
Patricklim1234
04-20-06, 15:24
Actually after it all I kind of have a question for everyone.
What do you guys do in between shots? I think it is pretty dumb just sitting there staring into space. That's why I am a fan of Oase, least they show sports on one TV, news on the other. The concept of showing porn on the TVs in FKKs is just wierd, why bother?
Honestly, if any of the clubs were showing Matrix / LoTR / Star Wars reruns in their Kino, I'd surely be there.
Is it possible to bring a book there to read? Has anyone done this? A good book could keep me entertained in between shots too.
Actually after it all I kind of have a question for everyone.
What do you guys do in between shots? I think it is pretty dumb just sitting there staring into space. That's why I am a fan of Oase, least they show sports on one TV, news on the other. The concept of showing porn on the TVs in FKKs is just wierd, why bother?
Honestly, if any of the clubs were showing Matrix / LoTR / Star Wars reruns in their Kino, I'd surely be there.
Is it possible to bring a book there to read? Has anyone done this? A good book could keep me entertained in between shots too.
I usually try to meet up with someone. Also try to listen in guys and start a conversation when I hear English spoken. Have met a quite a few guys that way and almost all of them know the board although not many contribute.
In the summer it is nice to bring a book or magazines to read in the garden. I find the inside area not suitable for reading.
I agree about the porn on the tv's, first of all it is a bad porn to start with and second of all you really do not need any porn running. Action in the Oase Kino beats any porn flick.
Chivaz
A book and a small mp3 player works great. Bring along a portable dvd player and maybe you'll have a couple girls sitting around with you watching Star Wars.
p.s. would be nice for the clubs to provide internet access so we can get emails and provide "up to date" information of the women.
I just sit and stare all day. Savour the vision.
Warsteiner
04-20-06, 20:25
Does anyone have GPS coordinates for all the FKK's in Frankfurt, Berlin, Prague, etc.
Let's get together and compile a list.
This is a great idea. I'll be in NRW at the end of next week and will definately visiting GT and PHG and probably Samya and Blue Note. I've got a SatNav system so I'll get the details and post them when I get back.
This is a great idea. I'll be in NRW at the end of next week and will definately visiting GT and PHG and probably Samya and Blue Note. I've got a SatNav system so I'll get the details and post them when I get back.
Its been done already for some clubs: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=443141&postcount=1382
Chivaz
SobeLizard
04-20-06, 22:03
Its been done already for some clubs: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=443141&postcount=1382
ChivazThis is Great!
Is there GPS coordinates avail for Czeck, Moscow, and Holland?
Warsteiner, you might also want to consider Cocoon as a possible club to visit. Samya had some nice looking ladies...but also alot of average ones, and they tended to hudle together and made grabbing the lady of your choice very difficult. Cocoon had the same quantity but the quality was outstanding. Another positive is the Etap hotel about 1/2 mile down the road.
Breadman, since you mentioned the etap hotel being so close to FKK Cocoon, some excellent budget possibilities have to come mind. ( I have not visited FKK Cocoon yet)
The following could be valuable info to the $$$ concious "Ho chasers" out there (like me).
FKK Cocoon is in Wuppertal about an hour from Dusseldorf.
http://www.fkk-cocoon.de/
http://www.etaphotel.com/etaphotel/fichehotel/gb/etp/2629/fiche_hotel.shtml
For guys that want to visit Gemany for a couple days just to visit FKK clubs, probably the cheapest and most popular option to date was to visit FKK Palace in Frankfurt and stay in the IBIS hotel nearby. It takes about an hour to travel by train from airport to Palace as you need to take 3 trains.
According to http://www.vrr.de/en/ you can travel from Dusseldorf airport to Cocoon via 2 trains and one bus in a little over an hour. The Etap hotel is only 1.4 kms away, a similar distance that the IBIS is to Palace. Both hotels are walking distance from their respective clubs.
Palace costs based on 2 visits, 8 fucks, and 1 night in the hotel:
Hotel: 69
Palace : 65 x 2
Session : 50 x 8(30 mins including BBBJ - but there have been reports lately of 20 -25 mins)
Total: 599 Euro
Cocoon costs based on 2 visits, 8 fucks, and 1 night in the hotel:
Costs:
Hotel: 35
Cocoon : 35 x 2 (happy hour : 10 - 14 and 19 - 03 Mon - Fri)
Session : 25 x 8 ( 20 mins) or 35 with BBBJ.
Total : 305 and 385 with BBBJ
So a potential saving of €300 if you can do without BBBJ.
And Cocoon serves Beer. Ok there are reportedly less women than Palace, but apparently the quality is better. I am sure cocoon has other disadvantages over Palace, and there is probably less fun and less public sex in Cocoon. But if you were happy to stick with the 20 min shags without BBBJ, then the savings are very decent over a few days.
Flights from the UK are about the same price to both cities.
Well the one possible disadvantage for Cocoon is that I might struggle with the 4th pop on the first day and the 3rd and 4th pop on the second day with a 20 minute session! :) I haven't been there in a long time but I remember the meeting area there got quite stuffy with cigarrette smoke when they got crowded.
On a completely OT subject, has anybody played the golf club right outside Cocoon's doorstep? I wonder if it's any good... Sorta combines my 2 passions right next to each other and I'd be in hog heaven. I've played Licher Club near World in my visit last fall, at the recommendation of Euro100 and Chivaz (very nice BTW) but they ain't exactly next to each other.
Xavier Yves
04-21-06, 09:42
Breadman, since you mentioned the etap hotel being so close to FKK Cocoon, some excellent budget possibilities have to come mind. ( I have not visited FKK Cocoon yet)
The following could be valuable info to the $$$ concious "Ho chasers" out there (like me).
http://www.fkk-cocoon.de/
http://www.etaphotel.com/etaphotel/fichehotel/gb/etp/2629/fiche_hotel.shtml
For guys that want to visit Gemany for a couple days just to visit FKK clubs, probably the cheapest and most popular option to date was to visit FKK Palace in Frankfurt and stay in the IBIS hotel nearby. It takes about an hour to travel by train from airport to Palace as you need to take 3 trains.
According to http://www.vrr.de/en/ you can travel from Dusseldorf airport to Cocoon via 2 trains and one bus in a little over an hour. The Etap hotel is only 1.4 kms away, a similar distance that the IBIS is to Palace. Both hotels are walking distance from their respective clubs.
Palace costs based on 2 visits, 8 fucks, and 1 night in the hotel:
Hotel: 69
Palace : 65 x 2
Session : 50 x 8(30 mins including BBBJ - but there have been reports lately of 20 -25 mins)
Total: 599 Euro
Cocoon costs based on 2 visits, 8 fucks, and 1 night in the hotel:
Costs:
Hotel: 35
Cocoon : 35 x 2 (happy hour : 10 - 14 and 19 - 03 Mon - Fri)
Session : 25 x 8 ( 20 mins) or 35 with BBBJ.
Total : 305 and 385 with BBBJ
So a potential saving of €300 if you can do without BBBJ.
And Cocoon serves Beer. Ok there are reportedly less women than Palace, but apparently the quality is better. I am sure cocoon has other disadvantages over Palace, and there is probably less fun and less public sex in Cocoon. But if you were happy to stick with the 20 min shags without BBBJ, then the savings are very decent over a few days.
Flights from the UK are about the same price to both cities.Where is FKK Cocoon please?
FKK Cocoon is in Wuppertal about an hour from Dusseldorf.
Warsteiner
04-21-06, 20:52
Warsteiner, you might also want to consider Cocoon as a possible club to visit. Samya had some nice looking ladies...but also alot of average ones, and they tended to hudle together and made grabbing the lady of your choice very difficult. Cocoon had the same quantity but the quality was outstanding. Another positive is the Etap hotel about 1/2 mile down the road.
Do you have any further details on Cocoon? i.e. number of women, size of club, recommendations, etc. Looking at the website this appears to be a fairly small club a bit like BlueNote, which is fine.
I agree that the women huddle together in groups in Samya, which can be a real pain but the great thing is you can look at the website and see who is going to be there on a particular day.
Warsteiner
04-21-06, 20:54
Looking at the website this appears to be a fairly small club a bit like BlueNote, which is fine.
Ignore that bit, I've just looked at the websote properly and seen that the club is 1000qm.
Would still be interested in more information about the girls through.
What are the prices in this club? Are they standard NRW i.e. €50 for a session and €25 for extras?
Id have to say its a 'medium size club'...been to Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf and its larger by a tad. About the same size as Samya maybe. About 12 girls when i first arrived at noon...about 17 when i left at 1am. I could easily have gone with 12 of the 17...planning another visit next month and hope to hell those other 5 are still working.
I'll admit it...im a monger. I need choices if im going to hobby. Dolce Vita had a couple hotties but it was impossible to try to corner half of them. Had no problem at Cocoon at all.
Just was surfing around and saw the people who run Parkschloss Dali are opening a new club that definitely looks like the biggest club ever.
http://www.parkschlossdali.de/html/home_lippspringe.html.....That URL is suddenly not working any more. Anybody know what's going on?
Warsteiner
04-22-06, 11:53
That URL is suddenly not working any more. Anybody know what's going on?
Try this one - http://www.parkschlossdali.de/html/home_psd.html
what I had heard is that PSD was sold and was going to become a legitimate hotel, and that they were taking the money to make Harem in Bad Lippspringe, and then would close PSD.
Now the Harem site seems to be down, and that 14 days before the planned opening (was scheduled for May 5th).
Who knows, maybe some residents around the new place might have a legal case for them to stop construction or something, or maybe the hotel deal on PSD fell through. All I can see is that the other site is no longer up, and on the PSD site they have announcements for stuff going forward until October of this year.
Who knows, if there is no news of a big opening within the next few weeks, we'll know more.
Patricklim1234
04-22-06, 13:37
I was wondering if anyone heard of this FKK club "Salon Mira"? I was speaking to a taxi driver on the way back from Palace and he mentioned it.
He said it was near the city, with minimal facilities, but entrance fee was 150Euros (One hundred and fifty). Was wondering what was it about the club which justified such a high entrance fee.
probably just because it offers taxi drivers the highest price for bringing people there. In this game price rarely has any connection to quality. I know many girls who you can screw for 25-50€ in an FKK who at some point have worked in places where it costs upward of 200-400€ to screw them. Same girls, same service. So stick to what is a good value for money.
Ive got a question about the pricing at a couple of the clubs that i plan on visiting. I know Samya has a 50 rate for the first half hour and then 25 for the next half hour...so does PHG and Goldentime.
The question is if your book the for the hour and want another half hour...is the rate 25 or does the rate go back to the first 50 for the third thirty minute time??
i.e. if i book a girls for two hours at Samya, PHG or Goldentime would i pay 125 or 150? 50+25+25+25=125 or 50+25+50+25=150?
Warsteiner
04-23-06, 16:07
Double posted....sorry.
Warsteiner
04-23-06, 16:07
The question is if your book the for the hour and want another half hour...is the rate 25 or does the rate go back to the first 50 for the third thirty minute time??
After the first half hour at €50 every additional 30 minutes is €25 so for 2 hours it would be 50+25+25+25.
This is definately the case at GT and Samya as I've had extended sessions there but cannot say for PHG but I would presume it would be the same.
officially Warsteiner is right, and it is always that way for up to 1.5 hours, for 100€ (+ any extras paid only once), but once in a while you will have girls in the club who will try and claim 2 hours at 150€ instead of 125€. In any of the clubs you can ask her to check with the management should she do so, as the (each additional is 25€ is the policy)
But I also try and put myself in the role of the women, and if you are the sort of customer that wants to go for 2 hours and fuck like a madman and maybe shoot 3 or 4 times, then be man enough to pay 150€.
I have a lot of 2 hour and more sessions, but in my entire FKK career I have never had a session with more than one pop, wouldn't even know how to approach the idea of a second session.
Try this one - http://www.parkschlossdali.de/html/home_psd.htmlYeah, that's PSD I wanted Harem and get this:
Not Found
The requested URL /html/home_lippspringe.html was not found on this server.
Look s bad. Wanted to be at the Grand Opening 5/5/06 ;(
All For Bb
04-27-06, 03:13
i plan to visit happy garden, golden time and yin yang. which airport i should fly to, and where should be convenient to stay? hope the hotel have high speed internet connection. how far fkk cocoon is from happy garden? i know where happy garden is. anyone can tell me the address for golden time fkk cocoon and yin yang (need for gps input).
thanks in advance.
More and more international press write sensational news about prostitution during World Cup in Germany. One club that is mentioned each time is Artemis in Berlin, including with pictures. There have even been TV programs about it. It is funny as we all know that it is a new club that just is not at the level of the famous Frankfurt Clubs or the golden triangle in NRW. I guess the press is just promoting Artemis. The owners seem to have an impressive relation network.
Routard,
This is an interesting subject you raise. Another reason the press are probably targeting Artemis instead of, say, more established clubs like Oase, Palace, World, etc., may be the fact that Artemis is in Berlin, the Hauptstadt of Germany.
On a personal basis, I would actually applaud the ignorance of the press in focusing attention on a club not quite in the FKK mainstream. I'd rather this club were in the spotlight than, say the afore-mentioned FFM clubs. Let the mainstream clubs (and I include those in NRW also) go quietly about their business and let them throw press salvos at urban giants like Artemis or even Pascha in Koln. But that is just my personal prejudice at work...
Ortos
SobeLizard
04-28-06, 16:47
Can anyone suggest a 4 Star Hotel close to world or Oase?
TIA
Sobelizard
[QUOTE=SobeLizard]Can anyone suggest a 4 Star Hotel close to world or Oase?
Steinsgarten in Giessen. Taxi to World. Gonna need a car for Oase, though.
There is a Maritim and a Steigenberger Hotel in Bad Homburg. There are a few pensions and smaller hotels in Burgholzhausen and Friedrichsdorf but no 4 stars.
The Steinsgarten in Giessen is probably the best one that is close to World. Nothing compared to the ones in Bad Homburg, but nice. Plus free WLAN.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hello Everybody,
I will be in Germany next week end.
A friend of mine gave me some informations on FKKs and some other addresses.
He mentionned : Oase and Samya as Fkks but aslo Traum Paradies in Köln.
It is my first experience in Germany.
I can go where I want : Frankfurt, Köln…
What would you recommend for Saturday and Sunday :
- Fkks or brothels like Traum Paradies ?
- Visit during the day or at night ?
- Is it easy to get some special services like anal in Fkks. I did not read a lot of informations on this in the forum.
I am looking for pretty girls first and a relaxed atmosphere (not girls always inviting you)
Thanks for your advices
Totos
I have found The Bahn web site to be an excellent source for hotels in out of the way places. Here is the link http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/e for English. Just put in some place to the town you want to go to and at the bottom of the results page you will see a link to Hotels. Go there and search for the town or expand to include more towns. This will give you a list of hotels with the star rating and the prices. You can look at each hotel and see what amenities it offers. The prices are always cheaper than other travel sites.
Bob
All For Bb
04-29-06, 17:43
what is the gps coordinates mean? when i rent a car, i enter the street address. how to enter the gps coordinates? is that better than street address? is parksauna still one of 3 top in dusseldorf?
a few days ago, my post about airport for phg, gt without answer. i guess the dusseldorf airport should be most convenient airport for phg and gt etc. i reserved a room in best western in down town dusseldorf (71 euro for aaa rate, have hight speed internet). i don't know if stay in down town dusseldorf is covenient to go to phg, gt, ying yang, or parksauna ? how about samya, dolce vita or cocoon? i will be there 3 days in weekend. plan to go phg, gt and one or two more clubs. any suggestions? any one can give me the street address for ying young? is that one worth to go?
thanks a lot for any suggestion!
all4bb
from other member's post:
here gps coordinates of the top three fkk in frankfurt as well as the top three fkk in dusseldorf.
oase n50 14 454 e8 40 659
world n50 31 712 e8 44 931
palace n50 07 683 e8 37 557
goldentime n51 15 803 e6 11 259
happy garden n51 20 080 e6 23 961
parksauna n51 07 595 e6 11 516
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HornySwede
04-30-06, 09:54
What is the GPS coordinates mean? When I rent a car, I enter the street address. How to enter the gps coordinates? Is that better than street address? The GPS coordinates are the Latitude and Longitude of the club.
The coordinates are better than the address if the street address does not exist in the maps for your GPS.
How to enter the coordinates depends on which GPS unit you use. I think that there are GPS units that don't have the feature to enter coordinates directly, only address.
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HS
what is the gps coordinates mean? when i rent a car, i enter the street address. how to enter the gps coordinates? is that better than street address? is parksauna still one of 3 top in dusseldorf?
a few days ago, my post about airport for phg, gt without answer. i guess the dusseldorf airport should be most convenient airport for phg and gt etc. i reserved a room in best western in down town dusseldorf (71 euro for aaa rate, have hight speed internet). i don't know if stay in down town dusseldorf is covenient to go to phg, gt, ying yang, or parksauna ? how about samya, dolce vita or cocoon? i will be there 3 days in weekend. plan to go phg, gt and one or two more clubs. any suggestions? any one can give me the street address for ying young? is that one worth to go?
thanks a lot for any suggestion!
all4bb
from other member's post:
here gps coordinates of the top three fkk in frankfurt as well as the top three fkk in dusseldorf.
oase n50 14 454 e8 40 659
world n50 31 712 e8 44 931
palace n50 07 683 e8 37 557
goldentime n51 15 803 e6 11 259
happy garden n51 20 080 e6 23 961
parksauna n51 07 595 e6 11 516
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getting back to basics of gps and maps.
translating the gps coordinates. n50.24127 e8.67678
this means, north 50 degress, 14 minutes, 18, seconds.
and east 8 degress, 40 minutes, 36 seconds.
n dd.nnnnn -> dd mm' ss'
.nnnnn * 60 = 14.4762 (get only the whole number, mm)
.4762 * 60 = 28.572 (get only the whole number, ss)
e dd.nnnnn -> dd mm' ss'
.nnnnn * 60 = 40.6068 (get only the whole number, mm)
.6068 * 60 = 36.408 (get only the whole number, ss)
typically the gps units have multiple coordinate formats, you can adjust the setting to get the proper format that you want. but i usually go by this format (dd.ddddd) because it is easiest to translate this to different format if needed.
All For Bb
05-03-06, 02:22
Getting back to basics of GPS and Maps.
Translating the GPS coordinates. N50.24127 E8.67678
This means, North 50 Degress, 14 minutes, 18, seconds.
and East 8 Degress, 40 minutes, 36 seconds.
N DD.nnnnn -> DD MM' SS'
.nnnnn * 60 = 14.4762 (Get only the whole number, MM)
.4762 * 60 = 28.572 (Get only the whole number, SS)
E DD.nnnnn -> DD MM' SS'
.nnnnn * 60 = 40.6068 (Get only the whole number, MM)
.6068 * 60 = 36.408 (Get only the whole number, SS)
Typically the GPS units have multiple coordinate formats, you can adjust the setting to get the proper format that you want. But I usually go by this format (DD.ddddd) because it is easiest to translate this to different format if needed.Thanks much!! Questions: Does gps in rental car has an input for coordinates? In DD.ddddd or in DD MM SS format?
I saw someone posted coordinates for PHG:
N51.33525 E6.40532,
However, I also saw some other coordinates post for PHG:
N51.20080 E6.23961
Which should be correct?
I can't find address and coordinates for YingYang. Please help.
Thanks!
all4bb
GPS Coordinates for Yin Yang are N51 10.107 E6 00.276.
the correct coordinates for PHG are N51.20080 E6.23961.
It is more convenient to enter the adress as input for GPS rather than coordinates. Most people using GPS coordinates do it because they have a simple GPS without mappping and adress database. If you have a more sophisticated GPS, the coordinates may only be usefull when there is confusion with adress (same street names in same area, unknown adresss...). Oase is the major example of adress confusion. For other clubs I have never had any problems using only adress as input.
Dusseldorf is the most convenient airport for PHG, Ying Yan, Parksauna and GT. Other Clubs worth to visit in the Dusseldorf area are Samya and Berns even if they are closer to Koln than Dusseldorf. Most convenient airport for World Oase and Palace is Frankfurt. From both airports take a rent car with GPS or better bring your own GPS with all the FKK allready entered as waypoints. If you are looking for a hotel, ask to reception in FKK.
You can buy gps units with preloaded maps for your area pretty easy online. Getting them preloaded with maps of Germany if your from another country might be an issue...and costly. Some of these companys want a large unlocking fee for european maps that are already in the units. Instead of going this way, i found an older gps unit on ebay for 20 bucks that tells you your gps position...and all you have to do is work your way towards the gps position of the club.
Its not as advanced as the newer models, but it will help my search for the clubs I plan on visiting. And the 600 I saved will go towards the women instead of Garmin or TomTom.
The police have conducted a number of raids in the clubs in the Ruhrgebiet lately in search of the undocumented among the women.
The Ruhrgebiet stretches from Duisburg in the West to Dortmund in the East.
They never bother customers but you have to keep your cool through the whole thing and have an ID handy.
The supposedly have closed a number of Rote Teppich clubs (Red Carpet). Some do remain open though.
Garmin is a very open system, new maps can easily be purchased. About 150$ for additional Northern America or Western Europe map. I have also purchased the Blue Chart Map as I monger also by boat. I have even purchased a World Map although there is no city detail, no adress search and no routing calcultion for it. Only problem is that available maps never include brothels database :(. I'm currently working on a worldwide brothel database for GPS. I've allready finished Western Europe and Australia, but things are getting more difficult in third world countries.
The supposedly have closed a number of Rote Teppich clubs (Red Carpet). Some do remain open though.
Hey Jackyo,
Not such a huge loss as far as in Rote Teppich clubs in my opinion. However I do hope that all is ok at PHG, GT and the others.
Thanks for the word.
Cheers,
Dedalus
A small survey. What do you think about tipping women in FKKs? To do it or not to do it, that is the question. And if so, does one tip differently in different clubs?
Me personally, I have tipped. But from a general standpoint, I neither like it nor do it. It feels like admitting that at best I expect mediocre service for my money, and am prepared to pay extra for good service. Actually, why not? Thing is I would then like to punish bad service. But how?
So far I have only met one lady that requested tip. Her Looks was spitzenklasse, but her Attitude just average. Maybe she was used to fast processing because of her hot Looks. Unfortunately for her, I was kind of drained at the moment, so she had to work for her money;-) Tip was not on my mind, and when she asked, it was definitely out of the question.
On the other hand I met this superwoman at FKK World. A SAL 555 experience (SAL-rating is explained at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=456931#post456931). The question is should I have tipped her?
The obvious answer is that I should have fucked her again! But stupid me opted for a break and then she was lost.
Just to emphasise the point already made in passing by others. UK citizens (and US if I am right in thinking you don't have ID cards in the US) should ALWAYS carry your passport with you when visiting FKKs as there are now more Police checks on girls than there ever used to be in view of the very restricted access to Germany by EE citizens. In Germany as in most of Europe you have to carry your ID card at all times. If the Police do call while you are there don't worry - they will check your papers but should not cause you any bother - they are after illegal workers
From a report on the Rheinforum as of April 28th. "zu" means closed, "auf" means open.
I don't believe this is a complete list of all RTC clubs. I can think of several which aren't on it - but then maybe my data is dated. There was a club in Schwerte, for example. Also in Dortmund-Holzwickede.
The Herne-Horsthausen club has been closed for a while. It had a pool in the basement and there was a sign saying you would be thrown out of the club if you ejaculated in the pool. This club was on a residential street in a cul-de-sac and the first time I went to find it I drove right by it but didn't see it so I gave up.
The Dortmund RTC clubs are known for excluding non-Germans by saying that they are members only clubs. Alperbeck is one of them.
Here is the Alperbeck club website: www.fkk-aplerbeck.de.
That German flag on their homepage means: German customers only.
Extreme nationalism in Germany has led to two world wars, hence the implication. Quite a difference compared to how things are in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Penelope in Essen is the opposite with a slant towards Turkish guests (don't think its a true RTC club though).
This is a link to map showing where the RTC clubs are. Click on each red circle to see the club website:
http://www.fkk-200nackedeis.de/index2.html
I have been to the Freudenberg club and the Grimbergstrasse one too.
If you find yourself in Bochum, by the way, there is a Bergbaumuseum to visit. In Essen, the Krupp Villa can be visited. I've also been to the Folkwang Museum there.
The rest of the area is a gigantic rustbowl just like parts of the Midwest.
The only economically viable thing going in this whole area is the Oberhausen Mall called CentrO. Its an American-style mall - something they don't have anywhere else.
Derzeitiger Stand der Dinge (Current situation):
Zitat von Bert (Quoted from Bert) (can't say I know who Bert is but he is responsible for this list)
Liste RTC:
Aplerbeck - zu
Freude - auf
Villa Venus - auf
Hohensyburg - zu
Grimberg - auf
Romantika Re - auf
Salome/Riemkerstraße - ?
Arabella /Watt. - auf
Belamie / Do. - ?
Dröscheder Berg / Iserlohn - auf
Aldi / Dietzenbach - ?
And just for your information, if you search the Rheinforum you will find that GT was raided twice last year: in April and in November.
Babylon was closed once for having a minor who was below the age of consent.
These things come in waves depending on which way the political winds are blowing.
Atlantis in Hessen was closed for tax evasion reasons though and probably will never reopen.
Once it closed the businesses in the town (Altenstadt) complained as only then did they realize the impact that so much traffic to the club had on their local economy.
Oh well...
Red Carpets
The current info is that Aplerbeck in Dortmund is now closed, adn that Hohenysburg in Dortmund remains closed. But the second one has been closed for about 2 years already, so it is not the biggest news ever.
All other RCC's are listed as still being open.
A small survey. What do you think about tipping women in FKKs? To do it or not to do it, that is the question. And if so, does one tip differently in different clubs?
Me personally, I have tipped. But from a general standpoint, I neither like it nor do it. It feels like admitting that at best I expect mediocre service for my money, and am prepared to pay extra for good service. Actually, why not? Thing is I would then like to punish bad service. But how?
So far I have only met one lady that requested tip. Her Looks was spitzenklasse, but her Attitude just average. Maybe she was used to fast processing because of her hot Looks. Unfortunately for her, I was kind of drained at the moment, so she had to work for her money;-) Tip was not on my mind, and when she asked, it was definitely out of the question.
On the other hand I met this superwoman at FKK World. A SAL 555 experience (SAL-rating is explained at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=456931#post456931). The question is should I have tipped her?
The obvious answer is that I should have fucked her again! But stupid me opted for a break and then she was lost.
This question used to come up frequently.
The answer is "No"! Do not ruin the pricing situation for everyone else!
Its a slippery slope. Pretty soon, the women expect it. Pretty soon, they will only work for tips.
Where will that leave us normal folk? Quoted prices for services won't hold true and they will start to prefer the guys who tip: das heisst, those "foreigners".
Germans don't tip. They expect their prices to be all inclusive.
If word gets out that its the "foreigners" doing the tipping, there will be a level of animosity built up around "foreigners" coming to their clubs.
Do not make this mistake. When in Germany, do as the Germans do.
And that includes doing things their way in the area of tipping. They set the legal and social framework for these clubs to exist.
Do not rock the boat.
If you really appreciate someone's services, you can reward her by having more sessions and spending more time with her. Or you can ask for special services during a session and pay a Zuschlag (or Aufpreis).
As Jackyo says, tipping in Germany is not expected in the way it is in the UK and US. However as a non-German I do tend to tip when I get decent service - where soembody makes an effort to do something a bit better than the engineered rulebook.
I did give Alicia at World a small tip recently - the first tip in about three years
Tipping is less unusual than on emay think. If you give a 5 euro tip you will be considered tight - so 5 euros is worse than nothing. I can only speak for one worker, Cordelia, who gets tips in about 30%+ of cases, and the tips tend to be from 20 to 50 euros (on a half hour session) - including from German people
Generally don't tip, but do a repeat session with a girl. If a girl indicates she wants a tip or present then don't. Some girls have got to the point where they make it known to men that they want "presents". Only greedy girls demand extra
A few more points about tipping in FKKs:
First, it is NOT true that "Germans don't tip." I agree that tipping should be discouraged generally in the FKK situation and I also agree that it is rare that a German FKK customer might tip a girl after even a very good 50E or 100E session. However --and I speak from long personal experience here-- Germans themselves in other contexts DO in fact tip. I am in the tourism business where my work involves servicing holiday makers from may different European countries. Amongst them, Germans stand out as (not the best, but) pretty decent tippers. The Brits are probably the best tippers, followed by the Swiss and Austrians and Germans. Russians: Forget about a tip (But a single Russian woman may easily let you take her out and then she'll probably let you sleep with her!). Belgians and Dutch are notoriously bad tippers... The point is that if you offer middle-aged and elderly Germans very good service they will come out with the 5E and 10E tips, unsolicited. I have noticed that those from former West German ("Wessies") areas are much better tippers than those from the East ("Ossies").
Another point about "foreigners" tipping in FKKs: It needs to be repeated again and again: Do as the Deutsche do! Seldom if ever tip! I strongly believe that if you are new to FKKs and non-German speaking (esp. if you are native English-speaker --meaning you are either a Brit or a Yank) then if you do tip you probably get marked as an inexperienced FKK guest and this may make yourself more vulnerable to being cheated a bit by some of the more "street-wise" girls (shaving time off the clock, charging you for time on the couch/kino, perhaps even using a condom for the bj instead of the standard bbbj, etc...).
Best to just blend in with the crowd of German FKK guests, be very warm and friendly, full of respect for the girls, smile alot and DO repeat or extend the session time if you like the service, but please DO NOT tip!
Ortos
I will post this question on the Roemerforum (as a survey or an Umfrage) and I will let you know how they respond.
Best to just blend in with the crowd of German FKK guests, be very warm and friendly, full of respect for the girls, smile alot and DO repeat or extend the session time if you like the service, but please DO NOT tip!
Ortos
All you need to know about FKK is in this single sentence...
I'm not a big fan of tipping for services. That is what I paid for in the first place. Anyway, a while back in FantasyLand where the pricing is 55 Euro. If you give the girl 60 or 100 euros, some girls will give you the 5 or 45 Euro back. But some girls will say that the don't have 5 Euro with them and just keeps the entire amount or gives back 40 Euro.
I don't encourage tipping, in fact I don't like to tip. I'll give a tip only if and when my job gives me tips for my work.
But if you get the puppy eyes look for tips with the girls. I usually say to the girls that I will have another session later with them, a quick kiss and a slap or squeeze on the ass. It usually works.
I know that when I go to the club, I usually have large bills, 50, 100, 500 Euros.
I suggest that you bring in a few small bills for just in case.
From my enquiries with girls - tipping seems to be more common than we normally think. However members of the isg and roemerforum are very much less likely to tip than other men I am told (The girls very often know who is a member of which forum). As I said I rarely tip (once or twice in the last three years) , but if I think the girl is genuine, not greedy and has done something really beyond the call of duty, then I have. Oddly I never tip if I get a favourite girl I do lots of repeats - the "relationship" then becomes one where I feel tipping is patronising (none so weird as folk as they say)
Nice summary Ortos about how to behave - not only is it just "right" to show respect, but one is more likely to get a decent time if one dosn't see the girls just as fucktoys
I won't knock anyone who tips at an FKK (although the Germans hate it when "tourists" do this: they think that it "spoils" the girls) there are better ways to show the ladies you gratitude. A repeat or extended session is the best way. If you have to tip, then just extend the session.
Cheers,
Dedalus
And I work pretty damned hard for my living as well. In fact, they almost always want me to do what I do cheaper all the time.
I must admit, I have not asked for a bit of change because it seems wrong to make her go ge it, when the service has been good or we have gone over-time and she has said to forget the 5 mnutes or so.
That is normal polite business.
But no, I only recently had a go at that well known Idiot from San diego recently about paying €50 every single time for €35 Alkmaar sessions.
It increases inflation, squeezes out the locals, decreases service levels, which depresses custom and the industry and eventually hurts the very Girls you are trying to help.
This is not a situation where we are dealing with underpaid workers who need tips to make up their base salaries (i.e. illegal immigrant waitresses in New York). Some may give you short term benefit from it, but many will not respect you for it either, they will look down on you for it and see you as weak and gullable and give you less next time. I see it all the time in my business when I am soft in the deal.
These girls are extremely highly paid, moreso than their customers are, and if they have financial difficulties it is usually because of circumstances not the fault of the extremely highly paying custmoer.
If im at a club like PHG, goldentime or Samya that all have the same basic rate of 50 for the first half hour and 25 for the next half hour...would booking a third half hour revert back to the original 50 charge? Ive read that goldentime stays at 25 per half hour, but are there any clubs where at the turn of the hour, the original rate comes back into play?
Ohhh, should also mention that the Breadman doesnt tip. I'll rebook the girl a couple times if her service was good.
I have always followed a strict "no tipping - Extend or Repeat" policy. I take it so far that I save 5€ bills up in my place extra for FKK trips, so I don't have the "No change available" excuse.
I never heard a problems with this until recently. This girl Nicki from Wildenrath now has cancer and has been out of the game for a bunch of months doing chemo and stuff. Due to some unlucky circumnstances, past medical problems, and some family members and ex-boyfriends who have been more than willing to take, she has been left pretty desolate. She is that one that there is a pic of somewhere here where she looks like some sort of Pamela anderson girl, and she used ot be in Playboy Germany and stuff. Well, I have been leaving some money in the office for her recently, and then once they gave this other girl who I always have 2 hour sessions with the money to bring to Nicci. She complained that I never ever tip, always pay the exact amount, but this girl who did nothing gets 4 times more from me than she did. The people in the office mentioned this to me.
So I went and talked to her about it, and whether she was upset. She said she totally understands my policy. I do not tip, but if a girl really needs the help or the money I'll find a way to get it to her. For her, I just book her for a long time, but she is still out there earning. I asked if i should start tipping her to show my appreciation and she really genuinely assured me it is not necessary and she respects me for it.
The other policy that I follow is to be generous about how to measure the time. If I was in a room for 40 minutes, I don't haggle, I pay the full hour, always! That is the extent of tipping. Extend, repeat, add extras or be generous in calculating the time (this is easier to do in the Ddf area with 25€/30 mins instead of 50).
Breadman,
This has been answered here before.
Officially each additional half hour is 25€ and never reverts back. But a lot of girls will ask you for 75€ each hour. If you ask them to chekc that policy with the desk BEFORE you pay them, then in all clubs it will be 75€+50€+50€ and so on for each continuous additional hour with the same girl. But if you are a Hard core fucker and the whole two hours were just fucking hard, then be man enough to pay them 75€ for each hour for all the hard work.
Hi,
For any strange reason I seem to get a kick out of High Mileage girls, big meatful lips (not in her face :-) dirty talk and (semi)public action. On my two fkk visits so far I've not been able to follow up on these as I simply don't know how to figure out at least the first two. I assume most girls don't like to admit these kind of "properties" upon direct question.
I'm now plannig for a visit during a one night stop over in FRA and thought about Palace just for simplicty reasons, however if anyone knows about any better supply of these attributes in some other nearby fkk, I'm happy to hear. Thanks in advance....
U
For any strange reason I seem to get a kick out of High Mileage girls, big meatful lips (not in her face :-) dirty talk and (semi)public action.
U
The most exhibitionistic and loudest girls work at Bernds.
Most of the women tend to keep their legs together at most FKK clubs so even if they are nude, they don't really display themselves.
At Bernds because they can't approach the guys they advertise by displaying their physical characteristics including what they have down there.
Babylon and Wiago also tends to have visually provocative girls.
They will sit there, not say anything but their hands will casually wander down there to touch and once in a while even insert a finger. They can sometimes put on quite a show.
Bernds also probably leads the way in terms of public action and in terms of really loud activity.
If you haven't been, you should go.
Thanks Jackyo, that's definately something to consider. But with regards to the mileage, do you think they will fancy those kind of questions and be honest with their answer?
Thanks Jackyo, that's definately something to consider. But with regards to the mileage, do you think they will fancy those kind of questions and be honest with their answer?
Of the Big 3 in Frankfurt, Oase is probably your best bet. I see more open and loud sex there than at the other two. Daniela at World might be a possibility for you as well.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Will be in the Netherlands, near Mastricht for a couple days some time next month. Can I get a few decent FKK"S that are within an hours drive?
Will be in the Netherlands, near Mastricht for a couple days some time next month. Can I get a few decent FKK"S that are within an hours drive?
You are a lucky guy, because the answer is ...yes! And even a few major:
In Germany
Goldentime
Heidweg 1 41379 BRUGGEN
Phone : 02163 8894760
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-1am Sun 3pm-1am
Homepage: www.goldentime.de:
Entrance 50€
Price: 50€/30min 75€/60min
Planet Happy Garden
Butzenstr. 41 47918 TÖNISVORST/OEDT
Phone: 02152-519103
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-1am, Sun 3pm-1am
Homepage: http://www.planet-happy-garden.info/
Entrance: 50€
Prices: 50 €/30min, 75€/60min
Misc.: Solarium, Sauna, Buffet:
Parksauna Wildenrath
Heinsberger Str. 35 41844 WEGBERG/WILDENRATH
Phone: 02432-908535
Open: Mon-Thu 11am-2am, Fri 11am-4am, Sat 5pm-4am, Sun 5pm-12pm
Homepage : www.parksauna-wildenrath.de.
Entrance : 50€
Prices : 50€/30min, 75€/60min
And in the Netherland:
Yin Yang
Heinsbergerweg 230 ROERMOND
Phone: (0475) 53 25 96
Open: Mon-Fri 11am-1am Sat-Sun 1pm-1am
Homepage: www.yinyang.nl.
Entrance: 50€
Prices : 50€/30min, 75€/60min
You are a lucky guy, because the answer is ...yes! And even a few major:And if you could only pick one? Say for Thursday night?
Warsteiner
05-11-06, 20:33
And if you could only pick one? Say for Thursday night?
I wouldn't advise going to YinYang you can read a report of mine when I was there a coupel of weeks ago.
I would go to GoldenTime if I was you. Great outdoor area, loads of very attractive women and the huts outside and some of the rooms inside are air conditioned.
I went to PHG a couple of weeks ago and although it was good it was not up to the standard of GT and there was no air-con in the huts outside so it was like having a session in a sauna.
In the newspapers here up in the north, they write that the German police made razzias at around 75 fkk's(?) in middle and southern Germany. Several people were arrested.
In Sweden we all live with the belief that our view of life is the only possible one, and presently everything that is FKK-like is the worst thing you can think about. The newspapers only write about the football championship and the many prostitues in Germany.
On TV on the other hand they send things like Big Brother where young people are locked in a house, fed with alcohol and of course perform a lot of sexual activites in front of the cameras. This shit seems to be OK to send to be watched by young people. And in the same newspaper where they are furious about prostitues in Germany telling they want to continue with their work, they some pages later write everyting about last evenings BigBrother and who fucked who. This is in fact a very strange country.
Anyone have some real info about what the police have done? I do hope they have focused on trafficing. In that case, they have my best sympathy.
You are a lucky guy, because the answer is ...yes! And even a few major:Thanks Routard. Can I assume that for Goldentime, and PSW, and Yin Yang that the cost for extras is 25Euro as well?
CBGBConnisur
05-14-06, 10:39
In the newspapers here up in the north, they write that the German police made razzias at around 75 fkk's(?) in middle and southern Germany. Several people were arrested.
In Sweden we all live with the belief that our view of life is the only possible one, and presently everything that is FKK-like is the worst thing you can think about. The newspapers only write about the football championship and the many prostitues in Germany.
On TV on the other hand they send things like Big Brother where young people are locked in a house, fed with alcohol and of course perform a lot of sexual activites in front of the cameras. This shit seems to be OK to send to be watched by young people. And in the same newspaper where they are furious about prostitues in Germany telling they want to continue with their work, they some pages later write everyting about last evenings BigBrother and who fucked who. This is in fact a very strange country.
Anyone have some real info about what the police have done? I do hope they have focused on trafficing. In that case, they have my best sympathy.
Visiting a brothel is not a crime in Germany, yes there is a big trafficking problem in Germany like any other industrialized country.
Cordelia says:
I have read in past reports on the forum that some members would like some views about how to behave at an FKK.
The following short report is a girl’s view, from my own experience and gleaned from discussions with my friends gathered round the red tables in the small hours. It does not all apply for all girls. But is meant as an impression which will apply for most honest working girls
All girls want a “good guest” and to be regarded as one is the highest compliment that a girl can pay you. You need to remember that the girls are at FKK to earn money if they have good time then that is nice but peripheral. This means that to qualify as a good guest the girls have two criteria: money and hygiene. Intelligence and being sexy is a bonus.
1. Money
However nice you are if you can’t pay then you will largely be ignored (this may sound like a truism but can bear some repetition!!) A guest who pays well is loved by everyone !! We have all had guests who claim to have no money and ask us if we will have sex with them for nothing its very irritating and shows a lack of respect.
Check the price first especially if you want something different- e.g. two girls or a lesbian show as the price may vary depending on the girl. Be specific about what you want if you don’t get it and you haven’t said you can’t complain afterwards eg some girls don’t kiss if this is important to you then say.
Don’t try to get the girl to undercut the normal club prices or wine for extra time for free. If you do all you will get is a girl in a bad mood
2. Hygiene
Another really nice thing a girl will often say about their favourite guests is “ he was very clean - like a woman” Please wash and shower – especially the bits you sit on…. sitting around in a towel makes you sweatier than you realise especially if you want a blow job. Btw, many girls don’t like giving BBBJ as they think it is unhygienic so washing often will help. And don’t forget to shave if it’s 12 hours since your last one, and clean your teeth (yes, your mother was right…). Of course it’s not only the men who need to shave – I know that girls who don’t shave give men sore mouths…
3. Do
If you do want two girls it’s often easier to let the girl choose who she wants to work with: we all have friends we feel comfortable with. If you have ideas e.g. black or blonde, big boobs etc you can say what you would like and let your girl find someone.
Be friendly (i.e. a brief hello as you pass by) to all girls even if you don’t want to go with them. Not all girls will appreciate this but most will.
4. Don’ts Please
Don’t waste a girl’s time if you don’t want to go to a room - a chat, a kiss or two followed by a polite refusal is fine. If you want to touch for nothing and won’t follow through means that the jungle drums will brand you as “crazy” or something worse!!
Don’t ask a girl to go to the whirl pool unless you want to go to a room. The girls think the whirl pool is unhygienic – we have all seen men jack off in there and it rather puts you off!! In addition it makes one’s skin wrinkly and we have to shower afterwards and apply body lotion!! The same applies to the swimming pool.
Don’t grope the girls in the corridors - as a friend of mine said ” I may sell me but I should be respected”
Don’t say to a girl ”you aren’t doing very well tonight” we don’t need you to point this out unless you are going to do something about it. Or comment on the quality of the girl’s previous guest.
Please don’t talk about the other girls, your comments will only get back to the girl concerned.
If you interrogate the girls then you will get a standard patter back which may or not be true. For all they know, you may be Police or worse. They will tell you more as they begin to like or trust you a bit.
4 Don’t Worry , Be Happy
Don’t worry about your “performance” just have as nice a time as you can- if you enjoy yourself the girl will enjoy it as well. You don’t have to be a pornstar stud in fact, for many girls this is not too popular, as going too hard can make us sore and can get uncomfortable. Be aware that if you want a long session your girl may be tired and/or sore by the end, some men want to go hard for as long as they can.
Don’t worry about size – in fact small is often more popular
5. Keep Up Standards
Keep your head- try not to be obviously drunk or stoned- it acts as a magnet as girls will try and take advantage of you and relieve you of more money than you realised you had spent. If you are out of your head you may be charged twice or time may suddenly fly so that you are charged for hours. Not all girls are saints!
If you wan to keep good service then make sure you go with girls who appear to make their guests cheerful and who don’t dispose of them in five minutes. If you want a club with naked girls don’t go with ones wearing towels. Remember that you set the standard as the girls will do whatever it takes to get a customer. If the men went with girls painted bright blue then we would all be blue next day
Don’t believe all the sob stories you hear. Some will be true, some will not.
Cordelia,
Great stuff. Once again, we all owe you a debt of gratitude for your unique and invaluable point of view, that we will never be able to fully pay back.
I loved the “ he was very clean - like a woman” line.
I am still in awe.
Iseeu. Thanks. I often think that without your support I would never have done any of this!!. You helped me discover my balls, as you put it. I still find the whole thing nervewracking - but very rewarding
Cordelia
I have not yet had the pleasure of meeting you but have heard enough about you.
I haven't been to World for a while as I prefer the smaller, more intimate clubs in NRW (I'm actually flying out there this AM) but you are on my list for when I next make it down south.
In all my years of mongering, I've met all sorts of Eastern European women but have yet to be with an Englishwoman.
The guys on the Roemerforum have actually asked themselves what the women would write if they were to rate their customers the same way the customers rate the women.
That would put an interesting slant on things.
Whats good enough for the goose is good enough for the gander.
Jackyo. I will not be back at World until June 22nd, all being well. English women do not have a good reputation for sex, but of course there are always exceptions (in which I include myself!!)
As for rating the men - well, I never talk about a session. Client confidentiality etc. All I can say generally is that the girls do not mark the men - but do divide them into good clients and bad clients, usually taking account of the sort of thing I have mentioned. It is of course really good when a client knows what he is doing
Hope to see you sometime
Cordelia
As for rating the men - well, I never talk about a session. Client confidentiality etc. All I can say generally is that the girls do not mark the men - but do divide them into good clients and bad clients, usually taking account of the sort of thing I have mentioned.
Cordelia
Hello Cordelia,
I have this image of a huge blackboard in the ladies' changing rooms, with a long list of guest's "names" and a numeric rating with commentary.
"Hanse, or the bald guy in his 90s with a walking cane and hair in his ear- 7/10 (Maybe a fossil, but finishes quickly and always keeps his dentures clear and fresh. Has a nice wallet!)
Thanks for the report/advice! Always good to know this stuff and even the most experienced of us can forget a thing or two now and then.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Can anyone tell me if FKK World still implements that 3-person entrance discount policy? What day of the week and how much discount for 3 people?
Can someone provide the information on where I can get access to the internet IF the hotel I stay at does not provide internet access? Is there some kind of internet café in Frankfurt, Koln, or any where in the big city? If you do have the info, I’d appreciate if you can give me the address so that I can enter into my GPS.
Danke
Cordelia,
Great stuff. Once again, we all owe you a debt of gratitude for your unique and invaluable point of view, that we will never be able to fully pay back.
I agree. What about putting Cordelias views in the Reports of Distinction section?
well here goes nuttin'. i'm heading over to frankfurt tomorrow evening, hoping for 4 days of fun and fornication in that neighborhood, followed by a monday foray to golden time and a final day night in amsterdam.
please let olga return to work on thursday and let me be her first customer of the day.
don't let me be lonely tonight, or any night.
please don't let the politie chase away all the little horny tourist girls looking to make a buck and enchant beffen and his friends. please let there be a target rich environment for [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)-lovers like me.
please let me visit oase on a non-smelly day for the lockerroom.
please let the weather forecast of six straight days of 60-90% rain be wrong.
please let my room at amsterdam's old nickel hotel (a 35 euro 1 star affair- hotels are impossible this week) be not too disgusting.
please let german sandra and nikola be working on tuesday next. i know nina never works tuesday.
see you all there, you know who you are.
beffen
Shark- I have. Thanks for the idea.
Beffen- I'll be at Oase 2morrow nite May 24. PM if you'll be there too.
[QUOTE=Beffen1]Please let my room at Amsterdam's Old Nickel Hotel (a 35 euro 1 star affair- hotels are impossible this week) be not too disgusting.
I stayed on an old converted boat once in Amsterdam down by the tilted-up "Titanic" harbor museum because of literally no hotel rooms available in the city. THAT fell into the category of "too disgusting." The room and bed were built to accomodate someone who was about 4 ft 6 in tall, and the whole place smelled like dead fish.
At most of the old "brown hotels" like the one you're going to stay at, at least you can leave the transom open over the door and get a good contact high from the hallway air.
Good luck and best wishes on your trip, Beffen!
whitey2
Investor
World is 3 for 2 on Mon Tues Wed. You may have to hang around in the car park for a while if you don't come with your ready made party
There are internet cafes all over the place in all towns of (I would say) about 10,000. Should be no problem for you (except the keyboard is a bit different - you may have to ask about the @ button
Patricklim1234
06-01-06, 14:19
I was thinking of doing some shopping in the afternoon before going to one of the clubs. I was wondering if there was anywhere at the train station to put my bags for more than 6hrs (Will collect my bags at 1am, so probably an automated machine would help? I remember seeing 6hr lockers at the Frankfurt main train station, but don't recall seeing any for a longer period.
Thanks in advance.
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