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Patrick,
You can ditch your bags up to 48hrs in the automated lockers in the Hbf. There is an extensive selection of lockers in the locker area on the north side of the Hbf, just beyond track 23. There used to be a manned luggage storage area in addition to this; don't know if it's still there. There is certainly a manned luggage storgae area, where you can leave bags for as many hours, days, or weeks as you wish, in the Frankfurt Airport Terminal 1 between areas A and B. It is not cheap, though...
Ortos
Patricklim1234
06-01-06, 21:14
Patrick,
You can ditch your bags up to 48hrs in the automated lockers in the Hbf. There is an extensive selection of lockers in the locker area on the north side of the Hbf, just beyond track 23. There used to be a manned luggage storage area in addition to this; don't know if it's still there. There is certainly a manned luggage storgae area, where you can leave bags for as many hours, days, or weeks as you wish, in the Frankfurt Airport Terminal 1 between areas A and B. It is not cheap, though...
OrtosThanks for the reply. You brought up a good point, I might have another trip a few weeks later which will require me to leave one bag at the airport for 2 weeks. Anyone know the charges? If it isn't worth it I won't bother and try and travel light.
Ive heard rumors of two new clubs near Monchengladbach under GT's ownership and one near Kaarst...was wondering if anyone has heard of this and/or has more information?
Lots of excellent postings from our best reporters in the FKK threads lately. Thanks!! It looks like many of the FKK's are in great shape prior to World Cup.
Now, two days into the tournament, I am wondering what kind of impact this major event have on our favorite playgrounds. I know the advice is to stay away during these four weeks, but it seems I have a chance to fly to FRA in a couple of weeks, and it's really hard not to pay visit to a couple of the Big Three when so close. Then again, I fear crowded places, stressed girls, long waiting for the rooms, loud, drunk and respectless visitors ... That is just clear signs that it may not be worth it.
Any input on this is welcomed!
I'm confused about all the FKK clubs in Germany. Which ones are the best??? I can't go to all of them.
Rasta,
I feel your pain. Still, I am also not going to tell you which one is the best. Quality fluctuates weekly and also, everyone has their own opinions and favorites. Right now Palace has the best line-up in Frankfurt (IMHO), but this may change next week. Palace is also not a bad club for first-timers. Golden Time probably holds sway as the best of the "Golden Triangle" clubs at the moment, but smart and reputable posters like Peter may give you a different take on that scene. In the Frankfurt area, if you want a smaller club that is a little more relaxed, then Malibu may be for you. The opposite would be Oase.
Good luck,
Dedalus
Alkmar Punter
06-14-06, 23:46
I'm confused about all the FKK clubs in Germany. Which ones are the best??? I can't go to all of them.Although I have only few postst here I'm 2 years visiting this forum and it's unbelievable how this FKK (Saunaclub) business explodes since my first experiences some 3 years ago.
After your travels to Rio the FKK might be nothing more than another detail to you, the big clubs very sure will each have it's impact, a more recent phenomenon is the Partytreff, gaining popularity. There you have nothing to think about or chose, just lay down and see what happens.
Cheers!
I'm confused about all the FKK clubs in Germany. Which ones are the best??? I can't go to all of them.
Read up on the topic. General questions like this are difficult to answer: where does one begin discussing such a general topic?
All of us with experience on this topic can write a book on this full of our personal experiences and likes and dislikes.
Wait a minute: this already exists: its this forum.
When you have detailed questions, we are here to answer them but get an understanding of the basics first, visit the club websites.
If you can read German, visit the Roemerforum. There is a lot more information on that website than you will find written in English.
Or if you want to concentrate on certain regions of Germany, visit the regional sites. I personally prefer the NRW clubs to the ones in Hessen so I visit the Rheinform too.
I don´t need to add much to what Jackyo has written.
However, when I try to explain the benefits with German FKK for my friends, there seemt to be kind of two alternatives. And at least among my friends at home, they thend to have different taste. Either you like the girls to chase you, or you prefere to be the one that has to take the initiative.
You will see the differences betweend the clubs when you read this forum. At some, like Bernds, the girls are almost not allowed to talk to you if you don´t talk to them first (slightly different when they know you).
Take my other favourite, BHH Oase as the opposite. You might be chasen the whole evening by - mostly - rather atractive young ladies.
However, when I try to explain the benefits with German FKK for my friends, there seemt to be kind of two alternatives. And at least among my friends at home, they thend to have different taste.
Id like to bring up another subject that im sure Jackyo is well aware of...trying to get others to committ to a FKK run. Ive met alot of posters from Montreal, some from Toronto...so I assumed my word saying they should check out the Fkk clubs would be enough. Out of all the guys ive met, only one is now hinting that i should bypass Montreal once again and go along with him to Germany (I might be able to do both if things work out).
So we should also consider which hobbiests are part time hobbiests (when the money is available)...and those that have the income and the time to travel to seek out new talent in other countries.
I guess by breadman's definiton I am a true hobbyist. I've been to Montreal and explored the scene a bit. In my mind there is no comparison to the FKK scene. My advice woudl be to skip MOntreal. (But do NOT skip the RIo trip you PMed me about....)
euro
Hey All,
This just in from Yahoo news. It seems that the sex industry in Deutschland is not raking in the bucks that everyone expected from the WM tourists.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/soccer_world_prostitutes_dc
Cheers,
Dedalus
The girls at FKK are saying that the business is worse than normal. Fewer men and more girls. So maybe this is a good time to go (if you get a hotel room away from the games)
The girls at FKK are saying that the business is worse than normal. Fewer men and more girls. So maybe this is a good time to go (if you get a hotel room away from the games)
Hey Shiatsu,
There also seems to be a dearth of talent at some of our favorite clubs. I have hit Palace of late because there is a pretty good line-up, but my one trip of late to Oase was a big let down and apart from a rumor that Alicia is back (know anything?) I have heard that the line-up at Pohlheim has been much better.
I am hearing raves about Malibu and GT and may have to switch my loyalties for a while.
Cheers,
Dedalus
I guess by breadman's definiton I am a true hobbyist. I've been to Montreal and explored the scene a bit. In my mind there is no comparison to the FKK scene. My advice woudl be to skip MOntreal. (But do NOT skip the RIo trip you PMed me about....)
euro
I visit Montreal when I don't have the time or money to visit Germany.
I agree that its not comparable and the reason is that its hit or miss. You don't have the chance to evaluate her before you commit (not like at an FKK) though so therein lies the variable element.
There are some incall shops but their quality is usually low.
The outcall scene (the girl comes to your hotel room) is of variable quality but I have to admit that when I've had good sessions, they have been very good sessions.
Price-wise it used to be reasonable but has been getting much more expensive because of the strength of the Canadian dollar. Currently C$160 per hour translates into $145 per hour or 116 Euros per hour.
I tend to book longer sessions in Montreal though: two hours at a time if I get along particularly well with the girl personality-wise and she has a reasonable level of intelligence and can carry a conversation.
I've met university students with really cool personalities who I'd like to have in real life as girlfriends but also women whose alternative to this work would be milking cows. I don't like SPs who look like hookers when they are in street dress and some of the latter look like hookers - its a turnoff for me.
Quebecois women can be quite charming... but, unfortunately, I speak Parisian French and I usually can't understand 100% of what they say. Their accents are, let's just say, unusual... but I guess from their perspective, the French from the Hexagon speak with an accent too.
AlphaTester
06-24-06, 20:45
Hey All,
This just in from Yahoo news. It seems that the sex industry in Deutschland is not raking in the bucks that everyone expected from the WM tourists.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/soccer_world_prostitutes_dc
Cheers,
Dedalus
Lots of excellent postings from our best reporters in the FKK threads lately. Thanks!! It looks like many of the FKK's are in great shape prior to World Cup.
Now, two days into the tournament, I am wondering what kind of impact this major event have on our favorite playgrounds. I know the advice is to stay away during these four weeks, but it seems I have a chance to fly to FRA in a couple of weeks, and it's really hard not to pay visit to a couple of the Big Three when so close. Then again, I fear crowded places, stressed girls, long waiting for the rooms, loud, drunk and respectless visitors ... That is just clear signs that it may not be worth it.
Any input on this is welcomed!I was in Warsaw during the first round of World Cup when there was the largest number of supporters from all around the world. The quantity and quality of girls was the same as usual (report will follow in the Warsaw section).
I have asked the girls if someone proposed them to go to Germany. An Ukrainian and Belarussian told me it would be difficult for them without a visa. Polish girls told me they didn't think about it. An independant escort (with mobile phone available on the net) has received a few calls for job offer in Germany. She didn't want to go even for more money because she feels safe in Warsaw and feared to be put into a criminal organization.
So I think the number of 40,000 girls coming in Germany to serve hordes of supporters is pure invention. Maybe a few hundreds or thousands but not that much, and not a lot from Poland. Someone can confirm? Are there more girls in FKK at this time ?
I am considering trying for the first time the FKK scene, I’d fly into some German international airport and then would spend a weekend in that city checking out maybe 2-3 clubs.
I’ve been RTFF and it seems that the best option is Frankfurt, because of the presence of Oase, World and Palace, which seem to be between the best FKK’s according to some reports.
So here is a question for the FKK experts, is this the best possible plan if you only have one weekend and want to get a taste of the best the FKK scene has to offer?
Thanks in advance.
I am considering trying for the first time the FKK scene, I’d fly into some German international airport and then would spend a weekend in that city checking out maybe 2-3 clubs.
I’ve been RTFF and it seems that the best option is Frankfurt, because of the presence of Oase, World and Palace, which seem to be between the best FKK’s according to some reports.
So here is a question for the FKK experts, is this the best possible plan if you only have one weekend and want to get a taste of the best the FKK scene has to offer?
Thanks in advance.
Question: What is RTFF?
Does Frankfurt have the best FKK clubs? That is a debatable topic. I personally prefer the NRW clubs (Nordrhein Westfalen).
I fly into Duesseldorf and skip Hessen altogether.
I prefer the Stimmung in the smaller clubs because I make better connections with the women. Its easier to have conversations with them and they remember me when I return because its less transactional. There is less tourist traffic in the NRW clubs and the women have to work on creating "relationships" with regulars.
I consider a small club with a good selection of 8s and 9s to be a better club than a large club with a lot of 5s and 6s and only a few 8s and 9s.
There is too much of one kind of girl at World, for example. There is a very large Rumanian contingent there. They are all petite, have jetblack hair. After a session you cannot pick out your partner from a police line up if you have to.
Contrast this to a Wildenrath where the owner wants to provide a good selection of blondes, brunettes, black girls, etc.. He has an eye for what his customers look for and he practices editing to give them what they want. He runs a medium sized club with space limitations so he has to be selective about who works there.
He works with the staff to instill his service philosophy as well.
If you are sampling the Partytreff scene, for example, it is best in NRW and just to the north in Niedersachsen. But then again the PT scene is probably an advanced topic which a newbie would do best to sample later.
There are more clubs in NRW than in Hessen and there are more of them which are accessible via public transport than in Hessen too.
So do go visit Frankfurt but keep in mind that you'll have only experienced a small sample of all that Deutschland has to offer.
RTFF = Read The Fucking Forum
It only means "Read The Fucking Forum" when it is spelled out as a command.
In this case it translates: I have been "Reading The Forum First"
Thanks Tiger,
Im thick I know nothing. I just follow my cock in this life :D
I never mentioned this before, but I actually drive an old Banger of a Nissan, so
I can go on FKK trips every 6 weeks or so. If I didnt have this "special hobby" I could probably afford to lease a new Audi A4 or Lexus IS, or whatever.
Anyone else care to comment on what If anything they care to sacrifice for their trips??
(BTW Tiger, I was amused)
If I didnt have this "special hobby" I could probably afford to lease a new Audi A4 or Lexus IS, or whatever.
Anyone else care to comment on what If anything they care to sacrifice for their trips??Interesting, me I sacrifice a regular girlfriend;)
Money is one issue for our hobby, but unfortunately not the only one. To be able to enjoy FKK you need:
1-health
2-freedom
3-money
4-time
As I don't live in Europe the lattest is my main issue. When I'm in Europe, I'm supposed to be there only for business purpose. How do I get the time to enjoy FKK? Simple: I take it from my sleeping time. Yes, I simply don't sleep for nearly one week, this is my sacrifice.
But then again if time was no problem, I would have to face the money issue. And probably if someone has the time, the money and the freedom, he would have to face the last issue: health!
I simply don't sleep for nearly one week, this is my sacrifice.Fascinating, though I guess drugs, in one way or the other, must be involved. Otherwise, either your Health must be extremely superior to a normal guy's (e.g. myself), or you have a very slack job/employer:)!
I know this is totally off topic but I have searched the forum rules etc and can find no answer. I ask it in this thread as most of you at least know I'm not normally a completely diphead
Does anyone know how to find reports for pre 2002? Thanks
Reply to Wanton question which he has erroneously posted unde "World"
Wanton - if you go to the reports of distinction thread and then look at the list of links posted by Routard you will have more information than you could ever use
The brief answer is
1. Be polite, clean, sober, and treat the girls with respect
2. Do not ask intrusive questions ( i.e how much do you earn etc) within five minutes of meeting a girl - but once they trust you it may be you can have sensitive discussions as well as good sex
3. Be aware that some girls are rip-offs and cheats. Look to see which girls seem to have satisfied customers. They are not all "charming". And don't be taken in by good pick-up technique or hustle
4 If you can - try to go with someone who knows the club you are going to
I went for a regular STD scan today, and i dont expect any problems. The only reason I writing this here is because I know there are many guys reading this who proabably will never visit an FKK club for fear of catching something.
I think FKK women are pretty safe.
you can read my full report on this here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=481728&postcount=534
Dick Rambone
07-04-06, 18:29
I need some advise. I am heading to Germany in Nov. an would like to go to an FKK club that has the least amount of cigarette smoke. I feel unconfortable around smoke. Since it will be cold, outdoor activity will be minimal. Please let me know which clubs to visit from Dorsten down to Stuttgart.
Thanks,
Dick
I need some advise. I am heading to Germany in Nov. an would like to go to an FKK club that has the least amount of cigarette smoke. I feel unconfortable around smoke. Since it will be cold, outdoor activity will be minimal. Please let me know which clubs to visit from Dorsten down to Stuttgart.
Thanks,
DickI would guess World, not because people smoke less there, but for the size of the club.
Chivaz
Hey Dick,
Cigarette smoke and fkks are just a fact of life. As a recent ex-smoker I am pretty sensitive to this as well. We former smokers are the worst.
I was at GT on Sunday and was surprised at how poor the ventilation of the air and smoke was. It is not too terrible right now because it is warm here and they have a great outdoor area. I could imagine it to be pretty rough in November. I know that this is the case with PHG.
World certainly has many smokers but I hardly ever notice it as a problem. It is a huge club and no area seems to suffer from the butch of smokers that puff away in between pops.
If you are really sensitive to this problem, then you may as well just forget Oase.
Palace has a super ventilation system. I think that you would be OK there, even in winter when they run the air a little less. Also you can find Beffen's favorite place to sit, which is very comfy and a good spot when things do get a little stuffy.
I have not been to the FKK on the Marienenstrasse in Stuttgart for some time, but back then it had terrible facilities and even as a smoker I was bothered by the bad air. Also IMHO, why bother with an FKK in that area? FKK Haus may be an OK option, and Flamingo Island in Ettlingen can be good if you are lucky. Still, I would take a break whilst down in that area or visit a good puff-haus. Or maybe take a trip to Augsburg for the FKK there.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who still misses his après Amore Gauloises
Dick Rambone
07-04-06, 21:57
Thanks! I guess Bernd's is out of the question. Since I am going to be in Ettlingen FI is one option. World would be another as FKK Haus, and Palace.
Thanks! I guess Bernd's is out of the question. Since I am going to be in Ettlingen FI is one option. World would be another as FKK Haus, and Palace. My bet is that you would not be bothered by smoke at FI. They have great facilities and the number of workers as well as guest would have to multiply by factor of 3-5 to get the place crowded to the level you may find Oase and Palace at times.
Chivaz
[QUOTE=Dick Rambone]I need some advise. I am heading to Germany in Nov. an would like to go to an FKK club that has the least amount of cigarette smoke.
Colosseum in Augsburg, has excellent ventilation. With its high ceilinged main room it's probably your best bet, even with the smoking hot ladies oozing wanton lust clouding the air with the scent of sex, and an occasionally smelly mongerer :-)
njoy...
Kingwenslas
07-08-06, 21:29
[QUOTE=Wan King]I never mentioned this before, but I actually drive an old Banger of a Nissan, so
I can go on FKK trips every 6 weeks or so. If I didnt have this "special hobby" I could probably afford to lease a new Audi A4 or Lexus IS, or whatever.
Anyone else care to comment on what If anything they care to sacrifice for their trips??
Hi Wan King, this made me chuckle as I too drive an old Nissan (1998 Primera GT, bright red) as I can't bear to waste money on depreciation. Thing is, I do it as I'm a tight git...
I found your other two posts about Hepatitis B and number of conquests very interesting. I probably do about 50 girls a year on average, although this year I'm way below this because I now prefer Bernd's where I meet the same girls.
Kingwenslas
All For Bb
07-09-06, 18:28
I went for a regular STD scan today, and i dont expect any problems. The only reason I writing this here is because I know there are many guys reading this who proabably will never visit an FKK club for fear of catching something.
I think FKK women are pretty safe.
you can read my full report on this here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=481728&postcount=534I have had sex with 1388 women so far (I kept a count), most of them prostitutes in Europe, China and Brazil. Caught genital warts one time at the bottom of my cock and one time Hepatitis B (in Brazil) in 2001, and twice urean infections. For these results, fucking 1388 young women and lick most of their enticing wet young pussies still worth. Should be careful (I use condoms all the time for fucking). Any comments?
I have had sex with 1388 women so far (I kept a count), most of them prostitutes in Europe, China and Brazil. Caught genital warts one time at the bottom of my cock and one time Hepatitis B (in Brazil) in 2001, and twice urean infections. For these results, fucking 1388 young women and lick most of their enticing wet young pussies still worth. Should be careful (I use condoms all the time for fucking). Any comments?How about contributing to the forum with at least one report of those 1.388 women instead of only asking questions in your 20 or so reports. Don't mean to come hard on you, but you know, the forum is about sharing.
Chivaz
Just finished our 2-week FIFA football/soccer World Cup and mongering tour and it was a blast, even though neither England, Australia, USA or Germany won the championship. We all had a great time forgetting our various defeats in several FKK clubs all over Germany. I'm not going to critique any of the venues nor bore you with pornographic details, but here is my very SUBJECTIVE opinion:
First things first, best service, performances: Oase, Burgholzhausen. This old standby between Bad Homburg and Frankfurt/Main cannot be beat for choice of women, friendlyness of staff or performance and attitude of the naked 'ladies-in-waiting (for you)' .
Best looking girls: Sudfass, Munich: the madam of this smallish club in an industrial area of Munich has managed to assemble and keep a bevy of about 15 butt-naked, multi-ethnic beauties, none of whom were below 7 on a scale of 1-10. But be warned that this is subject to change as the ladies tend to move around a lot since they are free agents, not employees.
Best amenities: Harem, Bad Lippspringe: four (count 'em: 4!) saunas (steam, dry, herbal, 'bio'), outdoor pool, garden, 2 whirlpools in this brand new club located in a remodeled former resort hotel amid a fairy-tale forest.
Best food: also Harem. You order your free breakfast, lunch and dinner from a 6-page menu, and the chef will cook it to order, then it will be served by a waitress to your table, indoors or outdoors. It's fresh, wholesome and tasty. Heavy on the butter and cream, but they also have salads and fruits. All included in the price of admission (32.50 euro with coupon).
Best outdoor facilities: Yin-Yang, Roermond, Netherlands. This spacious FKK facility lies on the outskirts of this typical Dutch city, just across the border from Germany. The former industrialist's mansion on a hilltop has a huge park around it, with no walls or fences to separate it from the surrounding woods and pastures. Barbecue on the terrace, swim in the large pool, get a seamless tan on the lawns.
Best value for money: Hornstrasse, Cologne (Köln). Pasha and Eros Bordell. Prices start at 30 euros, with 'orgasm warranty'. Pasha charges 5 euros for admission (free soft drinks and coffee). The women we saw ranged from 5-9 in looks, even an entire floor of transsexuals ('she-males' and post-operational) in the Pasha.
Best attendance by females: Hornstrasse brothels, Cologne (Köln): Pasha and Eros. We went there at 3 am and the entire street in the inner city of Cologne was gridlocked with cars, taxis, busses and our motorhome. There are 2 major brothels (= 'Laufhaus'): the 12-floor Pascha and the smaller Bordell/Eros across the street from it. The corridors of all floors were jammed with men from all nations, trying to arrange shags with the also multi-cultural 250 ladies or so (hard to count since most of them were busy). Even more women were available in so-called 'Verrichtungsboxen' (= relief boxes = dormitory containers) stacked in neighboring vacant lots.
Best attendance by males: Artemis, Berlin: Due to excessive publicity there were some 1000 males competing for maybe 90 females on a FIFA WC game night. Proof that controversy is good for such a business, as long as the media 'spell the name right'. We passed.
Best Kino (cinema): Harem, Bad Lippspringe. High resolution projection unit on a HUGE screen maybe 10x20 feet (3 x 6 m) large and brand new lounges, floor mats and furniture. Unfortunately they showed only one single cheap American gonzo style video running in loop mode.
Best rooms: Harem, Bad Lippspringe. Spacious and clean, decorated in various styles and themes.
(Notes: cross-posted to 'Germany' general section, as this is not only about FKKs. -- It seems cyberfreehost.com in LA has censored away my website fkkguide. Pornography of the most hardcore kind was OK there, but not reportage about real opportunities to get laid for money legally, sanitarily and safely. We will have a new website with our own domain based in Germany soon. -- If interested to participate in future tours of the German pussy triangle send me a Private Message by clicking on my name on the left.)
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.
Hi FkkGuide,
Thanks for the "best of list". Quite interesting. Harem looks pretty impressive from their website, but I could not help but noticing that the girls seem to be of class two and three category, at least if you judge by the pictures and many of them look like they could lose a pound or twenty. How would you rate the girls there and how many of them were there?
Chivaz
Evening everyone - I have recently found a site that proposes FKK tours starting in Frankfurt - Has anyone had experience of this 5 day tour schedule - any comments would be appreciated - DUB
Dick Rambone
07-16-06, 00:02
http://www.cfit.com/tour.htm
During my last FKK visit, I, Dedalus and Peter starting talking about our first FKK experience. Dedalus mentioned that it would be fun to write some if the stuff down and post it as there was some good stuff in there. During my flight back, I decided to start writing some of it down and I have finally finished it. I think it should be ok to post it here in the general section as it is kind of bin for stuff that does not fit anywhere else and at the same time not clogging up the other threads. Hope this may also encourage other old timers to write down their first experiences.
It was back in 2001. I had a business trip to Frankfurt. Sometime before the trip I had been surfing the web and found out about this phenomenon called FKK clubs. It had got me kind of interesting although the idea running around naked with a towel did not appeal to me at all, and public sex was something I could not imagine I would ever take part in. I did not think much more of it until my trip was coming up. Always thought of the RLD in Frankfurt to be kind of seedy place and did not care much for it so I started reading more about these FKK clubs.
I soaked up all I could get on the issue, reading about the rules, how you should be sober, take showers, how to interact etc. I had become kind of expert on the thing even before ever stepping into one. I never posted any questions, only read what others had written, checking out reports dated few years back. The club names I had memorised when I went on the trip were Oase and Atlantis. I knew approximately where they were located, how much a taxi would cost to get there etc.
One day after business had been taken care off; I went to a business dinner. Wine was served in generous amounts and a few shots were taken. I was getting pretty buzzed. Started chatting to couple of colleagues who also knew of the FKKs existence and all of a sudden a decision had been made, we were going.
During the taxi ride to Oase (we figured we go to Oase as it was a shorter ride), I went over the rules of the game with my buddies. What we were most worried about, was that it would be noticed that we were quite buzzed and we would be barred from entry. I vividly remember entering the Oase parking lot between 10 and 11 pm. All of a sudden I got this knot in my stomach and my heart started beating rapidly. It was a pre-race feeling (those of you who have done any kind of racing know what I mean). This feeling escalated while walking down the path from the parking lot to the front door. At the same time I was trying to steady my pace and keep a straight line as in not to display my drunkenness. I actually felt kind of sick but overly excited at the same time. Ever since then, I always get a little buzz while walking the path to the front door at Oase, a feeling I do not experience at the other clubs, kind of a nice nostalgic feeling.
It was a dessaus day; still the sight that greeted us was unbelievable. Right at the reception I got a glimpse of what was awaiting. Oase was rocking that night with some 50-60 girls in attendance and the bar area was crowded. Another buzz, bigger knot in my stomach and for a while I got worried that I was going to get sick.
Get the towels and head for the lockers. I had read enough about the place (and studied the Oase webpage) to know how things worked. I was worried that everyone would notice how my hands were trembling when I tried to open up the money locker to leave a wad of 50 Euro bills there. At the same time I was having trouble with my general motoring skills. The alcohol sure helped me gaining the courage to get her, but at this point it was not helping at all.
I take the shower, wrap the towel around my waist, and I actually did one of those towels around my neck as well as I felt a bit exposed. I walk up the stairs, pause for a while before walking down the steps to the bar, trying to gain my composure. I feel like my insecurities are for everyone to see. I am actually feeling like a six year old at his first day at school.
At this point I have forgotten everything, I do not remember any of the description of the “good” girls, I do not remember how things work, I am blank and I am afraid I will sound like a blabbering idiot if approached by a girl. I walk towards the bar and the first girl who passes me turns around, touched my hand and then says “do you want sex”. “Uhhh yes” I replied without thinking. I was actually surprised of my answer. I did not even get the chance to get my first soda drink at Oase; we went straight to a room. When in the room, I am getting a bit more relaxed and the girl tells me she is from Czech Republic. The session turned out to be the second most unpleasant of all my FKK session to date (I will get to the worst later). She did not offer any kisses, she placed her body in a way I could not really touch her and when she straddled me cowgirl, she looked to the side the whole time.
“I wander what all the fuzz is about” I thought. This was kind of like an average Amsterdam session. What is this GFE all about? Well, at least I got off. After the session I hung around, got a drink a relaxed a little in the main room. This is where things started to get better. I meet this girl from Kazakhstan. Don’t remember her name, but after describing her and her performance to some of the old timers, we believe it was the much appraised Laura who used to work at Atlantis but also did a short stint at Oase. This is a girl who was A listed on the German boards, and she sure got A listed by me. “Now I know what these guys are talking about” I thought to myself. I ended up doing one hour session with her.
My third session of my maiden voyage was with Polish Renata, another A listed girl. Another stellar performance and I was hooked. The day after I went to Atlantis and also the day after that. Since then I have gotten rid of all the insecurities about wandering around half naked, I have done public sessions, garden sessions, kino sessions and the list goes on.
Now here is a fun little story: About one year later, I am hanging out at Oase, and this girl is sitting on the sofa, the cutest little thing. This is actually the girl who I went with as my first session at Oase. She is smoking hot. I had thought a lot about that session since it occurred, and I had come to the conclusion that it was so bad probably as I was drunk, smelled of wine and she had probably not appreciated that much. She stands up and goes to the pole; it is her turn to do a dance. She is smoking hot on the pole and I grab her immediately when she finishes. This time she tells me she is half German and half Turkish. I am 100% sure it was the same girl. We go to the kino and she goes immediately for the bj to seal the deal. Not bad, but I get the feeling she is trying to finish me off quickly so I suggest we go to a room. There is a wait for rooms and she shows no indication of having anything to do with me while we wait for the room. When in the room, she pulls out her watch, looks at it and then kinds of throws it to the side with an attitude. Now I know this is getting sour. She starts with the bj and again she is trying to finish me off quickly and gets annoyed when I ask her to slow down. This is the only time I have aborted a session so the same girl is actually responsible for my worst and second worst sessions ever. Never saw her again.
At the time I was pretty pissed off, I got my clothes on, left the club and drove straight to Atlantis were I was greeted by Croat/Alban powerhouse Celine. I had done Celine quite a few times before that and also quite a few times after. And last week at Palace I met her once again and for a split second I thought about sessioning with her once more despite her extra 30-40 pounds. It was only a split second though.
That concludes the story of my first FKK experience.
Chivaz
Chivaz,
Thanks for that superb trip down memory lane! Yes, many of us can relate to several aspects of your first experiences at Oase, etc. Except perhaps, being drunk. I still get the buzz walking down the path of Oase. I get the buzz, however, walking up to World and straight across to Palace as well...
Thanks again! Great report!
Ortos
Evening everyone - I have recently found a site that proposes FKK tours starting in Frankfurt - Has anyone had experience of this 5 day tour schedule - any comments would be appreciated - DUB
I joined up with someone on a trip once to share expenses. He had been previously on one of their tours so he filled me in on what they offer, how much it cost, how they go about their tours.
They also used to run a bulletin board where information was posted on the experiences of their customers, etc..
It used to be pretty good information at a time when this all was new to me.
Since then I've not heard much about them, heard off and on that they're no longer running tours to Germany but continue to do so to other destinations.
Funny thing is the last time I was at Bernds my travel companion met Aylin and he said he was an American. She immediately asked him if CFIT had sent him. The CFIT tours used to camp out at Bernds.
Kingwenslas
07-16-06, 20:09
Hi Chivaz
A very interesting, well written report. A question: -
In order to put your report into perspective I just wondered if this was your first time with P4P? In my own case, the first FKK I ever visited was World just two summers ago. I went there with a friend who I had often gone on mongering trips with, so we felt fairly experienced. I must admit though, that World really blew our minds…
The next day we visited Oase and we’ve been arguing ever since about which is the better club. The German FKKs effectively stopped us going to Prague and other East European cities as they were so good.
I will now briefly recount one of my first ever P4P encounters (sorry about this, but it was in Poland, but I’m going to post it here anyway): -
In the late 1990s it was very common to see lines of working girls standing along main roads in Poland. On one occasion I stopped to talk to one of them almost by accident as I was not quite sure if this particular one was a WG. She was your typical gypsy-type, the sort that I would now warn guys never to go with. She immediately indicated to me that she wanted to screw me, and so I asked her “How much?” She said “Five dollars”. I said “Thanks” and drove off as I knew that I was not that serious.
As I drove down the road I reflected on the fact that five bucks really was a low price for such a service, that the girl seemed willing and was quite attractive and that I was on my own in Poland and no one would ever find out. So I did a U-turn and immediately my stomach started to tighten and my hands started to tremble, just as Chivaz described in his report.
So I picked her up and she directed me to a track off the main road going into the forest. We stopped in a place with lots of used condoms and tissues littering the ground, with fag-ends and flies in abundance.
I pulled my trousers down to my knees and she tried to get me hard and then she slipped on a condom and gave me a blowjob. This was nearly 10 years ago, so I can’t remember the details except that I strung it out long enough for her to act a little impatient and tap her watch to indicate to me that I ought to cum at last.
Afterwards, I paid her and then dropped her off where I had found her. The whole experience had taken less than half an hour, but it was a definite watershed. As I drove away, I expected God to seek his revenge on me by throwing a flash of lightning across the sky or something, but do you know what happened? Absolutely nothing. I was happy, I’d had an experience, it had cost just five bucks and no one was going to ever find out. This is the first time I have ever recounted this tale (or even thought about it for that matter).
So for me, that mind blowing first visit to an FKK (especially if it’s World) does not actually come that close to the watershed coming of age moment that your first session with a WG certainly is.
Kingwenslas
Hi Kingwenslas,
No it was'nt my first P4P. I had done the occasional Amsterdam type window girls, and also escorts to my hotel. Never had gotten hooked on the experience until the FKKs, actually never thought much of it and could easily pass through one of those cities with RLDs without doing any P4P at all.
That particular night, Oase was rocking with loads of girls and that coupled with the excitment of the open sex and nakedness thing got me in a state that it actually was more exciting and nerve wrecking than my first P4P, and my first P4P was with one of the African girls in the Old church area in Amsterdam, which is not for the weak :-)
Another thing that might have contributed to my state of mind was the kind of research I had done on the FKKs, reading through 2-3 years of archived reports, kind of building up the excitment.
Chivaz
Chivaz,
Thanks for the report on the past. I hope we can set up a branch for this as this might help encourage others to contribute similar reports. I think past experiences are insightful, particularly first experiences.
My first P4P was in Times Square. Everything since then has been a remarkably steady improvement with almost every trip being better than the last. Times Square was rough back then, but an Old Church girl in Amsterdam!? And you went back after that?
My first European experience was in Amsterdam and I fully expected it to be a rip off. If it had been, or if it had been really bad, I likely would never have gone back and my life would be quite different now.
Evening everyone - I have recently found a site that proposes FKK tours starting in Frankfurt - Has anyone had experience of this 5 day tour schedule - any comments would be appreciated - DUB
Check out that link Dick Rambone posted. Those guys do a great job. Contact them. They'll answer any questions you have.
Evening everyone - I have recently found a site that proposes FKK tours starting in Frankfurt - Has anyone had experience of this 5 day tour schedule - any comments would be appreciated - DUBAre you talking about geocities.fkkguide.com?
Hi FkkGuide,
Thanks for the "best of list". Quite interesting. Harem looks pretty impressive from their website, but I could not help but noticing that the girls seem to be of class two and three category, at least if you judge by the pictures and many of them look like they could lose a pound or twenty. How would you rate the girls there and how many of them were there?
ChivazGirls move about a lot all over Germany and Holland which actually is encouraged by the managements of the various clubs, since that's what the local clientele prefers. There were about 20 girls in attendance when my group of 6 soccer/football fans spent one day and night there, and only one rated above 7. But they were quite busy anyway. --
Even if you do not find your dream girl, the use of the pool (they have a heatwave now in Europe with temps up to 40 C), the great facilities and the excellent food and free drinks are worth the Eu 32.50 admission charge (with coupon from their website).
BTW: Looks don't guarantee satisfaction. The homelier girls work harder to please. I rarely go with the best looking girl, anywhere.
[QUOTE=Dick Rambone...an would like to go to an FKK club that has the least amount of cigarette smoke.
Colosseum in Augsburg, has excellent ventilation.
njoy...My only complaint about FKKs: too much tobacco smoke. Most of the girls and the clients there seem to be heavily addicted to nicotine. -- They sell cigarettes and even Cuban cigars in there.
All FKKs push a wellness theme and smoking should NOT be allowed on the premises, just like everywhere in California for instance. There business in bars and restaurants actulally INCREASED after the total smoking ban a few years back. After all non-smokers are the majority.
I propose that us non-smoking mongers start a co-op, throw all their lives' savings together to buy a controlling interest in an ongoing club and make in NON-SMOKING only. It should be a hit!
Too bad Colloseum would not let my group in because some of them smelled of beer!
'No alcohol served in here and no alcoholized men admitted!' the fierce looking doorman stated. We passed and went to Sudbad Muenchen instead, where we found the best looking girls of the entire tour.
With the present hot weather in Germany I'd suggest a FKK with a large outdoor area (Colloseum is in an industrial warehouse), like Oase or Harem, where intercourse actually is performed outdoors too (in tents or out in the open).
PM me about ongoing and future FKK tours.
I went for a regular STD scan today, and i don't expect any problems. The only reason I writing this here is because I know there are many guys reading this who proabably will never visit an FKK club for fear of catching something.....According to officail statistics quoted by Wikipedia.org the incidence of STD and HIV in professioal sex workers in Germany is only 2.5%, which is actually LOWER tran in the general population!
Another reason to favor German mongering grounds over those in 3rd world countries and EE where that number is 20-50%.
In Thailand I prefer massage parlors over brothels and bars just for that reason. Can't even get the crabs from a HJ or CBJ! Cheaper too.
PM me about FKK and wellness tours in Germany and LOS.
Can anyone recommend a hotel near Goldentime?
Preferably someplace discrete that doesn't need a credit card to book?
BTW: Looks don't guarantee satisfaction. The homelier girls work harder to please. I rarely go with the best looking girl, anywhere.
The better looking girls sometimes develop an attitude and it shows in their service. I can think of numerous examples particularly at the large transaction-oriented tourist-oriented clubs.
There are exceptions to this rule, of course.
I've also come across women there who look just awesome but also don't have any idea how exceptional they are.
The Germans have an equivalent expression to "all that glistens isn't gold" by the way. In the discussions I have with them they boil it down to assessing a woman's "Ausstrahlung" or aura.
The right combination would be great looks, intelligence (so you can at least converse) and a GFE oriented service attitude.
This is a pretty difficult combination to find in one person.
Can anyone recommend a hotel near Goldentime?
Hotel Heide Camp Gastro
St. Barbarastrasse 38
41379 Brüggen (Germany)
Tel.: (0049) 2157 14140
Fax: (0049) 2157 141410
www.heide-camp-gastro.de
1 km away from Golden Time.
Price for a single room : 26 € with breakfast.
Dick Rambone
07-24-06, 21:23
Hotel Zum Schiffchen
Inh.: Joanna Brodzka
Bruchstr. 3 (Fußgängerzone)
41379 Brüggen
Tel: (+49) 0 21 63 - 54 43 oder 50 18
Fax: (+49) 0 21 63 - 5 84 30
E-Mail: info@hotel-zumschiffchen.de
http://www.hotel-zumschiffchen.de/index.php
A few weeks ago I mentioned that i went for a full STD screen, well I got the results back and all clear :D
Go here for more info on this:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=491407&postcount=544
I have a few days to spend in Frankfurt next month. While I enjoy the FKK scene, I would really like it with an asian flavor.
Question for the veterans:
Where in Frankfurt can I indulge my asian fantasy? If not in Germany is there a location within a short flight that I can go to?
Please let me know. I will post a trip report.
Thank you.
Where in Frankfurt can I indulge my asian fantasy? If not in Germany is there a location within a short flight that I can go to?
I've run across Asian women here and there but not been to a club which only had Asian women. East Asian women are available but not in a great concentration at any one club.
The RLD (Red Light District) has Asian women who work in the Frankfurt Laufhaeuser. There is a pecking order in these houses with certain women working certain floors.
Most of Turkey is in Asia and there are lots of Turkish women everywhere but I don't think you had Turkish women in mind when you asked this question.
London would have a lot of South Asian women and thats not that far to fly to. I'm talking Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshi in this case.
I've checked out the Paris section of this forum every now and then and it seems that there are a lot of Chinese providers working there these days. Thats not that far to get to either from Frankfurt.
Thanks mate. I was thinking Chinese, Korean or Thai. I'll check the Paris section. The RLD reports are not very encouraging.The descriptions are quite seedy. Thanks for the response.
I hear the economy is picking up in Germany. Would not be surprised of the girls or the clubs raise their prices soon!
Germany is not out of the woods yet. Plus the growing health-care crisis still has people wringing their collective hands. Will clubs raise their prices soon? Personally I do not see it happening. I could see the 50/entry, 75/hour clubs raise their rates to match the Frankfurt Big-3 prices at some point, but it would be pretty dicey for the big guys to respond to this weak half year with a price increase which would reduce traffic even more then it has been.
What say you to this, Peter?
Cheers,
Dedalus
Ok - I'm not Peter but hopefully I'll be forgiven. In fact I think the price trend is still slightly downwards. In the FFM area a lot of the escort agencies and brothels are offering reduced prices, and the overall price level seems to have dropped from around 200E and hour to 180 an hour. And some FKKs are in effect keeping their reduced price deals clubs. Obviously a generalisation here.
The German economy is picking up in terms of business confidence indicators - but there is still no evidence that this will translate into more well paid jobs. Instead there is the worry that jobs will be exported to the Accession states. Which leaves fewer workers in Germany to pay the costs of the social care and infrastructure about which the country is rightly proud and worried
A very few girls are trying to cope w ith the reduced demand by upping their prices so they earn the same money with fewer customers - but this is likely to be counterproductive
Anyway, opinions are probably immaterial.
Ok - I'm not Peter but hopefully I'll be forgiven.
Sorry man. I was really asking in general, but I mentioned Peter as he always seems to have some lively interesting views, opinions and insights.
You got some pretty good sources also, no?
Cheers,
Dedalus
Sorry Dedalus - it was meant lightlheartedly!! I'm afraid my sources on the economy are merely reports in German media and business programmes. No inside tipsters! As for prices -merely keeping my eyes open. As you say, the NRW area is the only one with potential for raising prices at all (in theory) but the competition there is so hot that there has been no upward movement that I have seen. If however someone comes up with a new "added value" concept then I think they might stand a slim chance. Perhaps I should become a business adviser??? :-)
If however someone come sup with a new "added value" concept then I think they might stand a slim chance.
Well, they could persuade the girls to go naked in NRW for a start....
NRW is not exactly flourishing economically at the moment. And there are many, many providers. And competing brothels. I don't see it. Prices in other more depressed areas (e.g. Saarland) have in fact gone down slightly in the past eighteen months.
The only places I see some support for prices are Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg, where there is a modest economic upswing and still a shortage of supply in our horizontal entertainment industry. Even in Berlin, where there should be steady demand, Artemis has gone for the higher pricing (Vienna, Munich levels) and is not yet sure of success, and as we see on the Berlin thread the escorts and other clubs are putting up a lot of competition.
Well, they could persuade the girls to go naked in NRW for a start....
Hey Toscana,
They already are and have been for a very long time. Which clubs have you been visiting? You have the wrong impression of what is available there.
True FKK clubs are alive and well in NRW.
In a retrospective I read on the Rheinforum where someone asked an open question concerning what had changed in the past 15 years, the only constant mentioned was Bernds. I'll translate that thread if I have time.
This is where it all started and Bernds is not called the "mother of all clubs" for nothing. You can experience the original FKK concept there and see it in its original conception and execution.
Let me add one more statement: true exhibitionistic FKK is only available in NRW.
I mean by this the tease factor where the women not just sit on the couches naked and walk around naked but they give you a show of their nice pink parts to add to the excitement.
They sit with their feet up on the couch, knees together. Their fingers wander, they do lip spreads. At Babylon, you would swear that Pia had a finger inside her 90% of the time.
You can get a very complete lesson on female anatomy sitting on the couches of these clubs. The women elsewhere don't put on a show like they do at some of the NRW clubs.
Its also fun to play a little game with the women where they try to catch you looking at them. This is the only advertising they can do as they aren't supposed to approach the men.
The last time I was at Bernds I ran into Monika (petite, dark hair, Hungarian) who I'd been with before at Wiago and Babylon. Towards the end of the day when things were a little looser we were sitting across from each other on the couches upstairs, me trying to convince her to show me her Muschi (Zeig mir deine Muschi!), she trying to get me to convince her why (Und warum soll ich das machen?). Granted that she'd been doing it all day to me.
Then the rest of the girls sitting on the couches all chimed in. They all talk to each other about the clients as the day goes on and the verdict on me was that I was "sweet". I take that as a compliment.
I only experience this kind of banter at the NRW clubs. At the larger clubs I make no connections at all with the women, mostly they don't want to have any kind of conversation at all.
The underlying NRW economy is weak (this is Germany's rustbelt) so I would expect pricing is not likely to rise here (the last time there was any appreciable inflation was when they switched from the D Mark to the Euro). And it being outside of the range of tourist traffic means the women have an incentive to keep bringing back the customers they do have.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=498580&postcount=2431 :D
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=498580&postcount=2431 :D
Quoting The King:
Mate #10:
This 35 year old is a quiet and odd little guy to say the least. To my knowledge he has never had any sexual relations with a woman. He is a farmer and it is suspected that he may fuck sheep!!! Seriously.
I read the linked report in post 1571 below. Interesting reading! Wan, you might think about advising Mate #10 that in the interests of practicing safe sex, he should buy a can of spray paint and paint an "X" on the sheep that kick back.
You are quite right of course. I was far too sweeping to state that the clubs in NRW do not have the girls go naked. NRW is a big place, and I had forgotten that places like Bernd's etc. are of course also in NRW. I am sure you are right about the others.
Many of the mongerers report on this board about the famous clubs (for example the Golden Triangle) and if my wasting memory serves these are still clubs with girls in lingerie or beachwear. Samya in Cologne is also lingerie. Many of the girls are really beautiful, and I personally would like to see them naked. Also tits that look great in a bikini sometimes have a habit of drooping unhappily southwards once they are released for kickoff in the room. Anyway, it was these clubs that I had in my mind.
Of course, my comment was really on the general economics, I did not wish to infer that the clubs are doing badly; the opposite is the case, it seems. But like you, I do not believe that there is upwards pressure on price in NRW. It would be the deathknell for some, especially as the red-carpet clubs are really cheap and would be able to pull business away. But maybe I am wrong, maybe it will come, and maybe all this is pissing in the wind.
wan king
this is from cordelia. can i add a few thoughts in response. i am all in favour of all your friends going to prostitutes all the time.... (especially me! lol :-) )
i think your wish to have sex twice a week is extremely reasonable, and would not count as an obsession in my book. as for wanting different women - as i have said elsewhere, it is like having meals by different chefs. a little variety
your friends' experience is interesting. it is statistically shown that some women lose some interest in sex after getting married and having children, and that even more lose interest after the menopause. this is a result of a mix of cultural factors, hormonal factors, and practical factors (having young children is tiring, and everyday life is demanding). hopefully it is getting less and less common as women break free from the view that sex is something you do to catch a man.
for men however it is culturally encouraged to want sex.
the result is that western society creates a situation where men want more sex than women are expected to provide. so - prostititutes fill the sex gap.
this does not mean that sex with a prostitute is a substitute for a relationship. as many isg members have found, when the sex becomes good there is a connection which leads into a temporary relationship. but it can only last as long as the club sessions last (except in a few rare cases)
however not all prostitutes fill the sex gap adequately. a good prostitute (to my mind) is one who enjoys sex and likes men. if i did not enjoy sex i would not do it. a prostitute who does it only for money is like a therapist who hates his/her clients
as for sheep, whitey2 - if you want to visit us you will have ample opportunity to explore the practicalities. we have a local farmer who gives newcomers good advice!! (please note, in case the police are listening, - he has a wry sense of humour). bring your running shoes
Cordelia,
It's each time a pleasure to read your female's perpective. I second Wan King, I could make the same list about men around me in my normal life. And I help some of them by introducing them in the wonderful world of FKK.
In normal life, a woman loves sex at the beginning of a relationship, when passion is high. But sooner or later, when passion of a relationship is over for something much more important called genuine love, she looses all need of sex. I would not say a woman is using sex for catching a man. She simply needs passion to stimulate it. But for a man it's very frustrating to know that the woman he loves and that loves him simply doesn't want to have sex anymore. Lot of women will even claim medical issues for frequent sex (frequent sex in normal life is once a week!).
I was ready to believe this untill I discovered the wonderful world of mongering. In the mongering world, gorgeous women are ready to have sex with plenty of men every day and some even claim to genuinely like it! Even for a mongerer like me knowing closely some SP, this is still a great mystery.
Of course, I'm not naive, life of a SP is not easy most of the time. A lot of SP in third world countries have no other choice. Still, the so called medical issue of frequent sex is definitely not true. And I confirm having met SP genuinely enjoying sex (at least with me, I suppose a SP enjoying sex enjoys it only with some customers, not with all), even if they have much more sex than any man could manage, even a pervert. I love sex, but if I had the sex frequency of a SP (assuming I could make it), I would not be able to enjoy it anymore with anyone. But women do. Cordelia confirms it also.
Why such a difference between the mongering world and the normal world? The women are still biological the same in both worlds, no woman is born to be a prostitute or not. Does frequent sex for women help them to enjoy it?
Routard
I tried to write a FKK FAQ, but I'm not an expert like some of you. I'm looking forward your comments, as I have two weeks to change it.
Part 1
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=498957&postcount=28
Part 2
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=498956&postcount=27
Warsteiner
08-24-06, 19:14
I tried to write a FKK FAQ, but I'm not an expert like some of you. I'm looking forward your comments, as I have two weeks to change it.
Part 1
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=498957&postcount=28
Part 2
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=498956&postcount=27
Good information and much appreciated. This will certainly help when I try out any new clubs.
Routard,
very good effort on writing the FAQ. A fine job.
A few things though:
I think you should go into more detail about the sex. Here are some suggestions:
a) Fingering: not all girls allow fingering, some only allow fingering of the pussy, some want extra for fingering, some want to charge anal price for fingering of the anus, and some will let you finger every hole deeply for no extra fee:D
b) Kissing: some will do DFK, some only do light kissing, and some will push their tongue down into your stomach and taste your cornflakes :D
c) Rimming: Again many dont allow it, some want extra, some charge anal prices
d) CIM: various charges
e) Are multi cums allowed in a session? varies from club to club, girl to girl.
f) LASTLY. You should makle it clear that condoms are mandatory for sex and anal. But there are clubs that offer bareback.
I believe some women in BERNDs and some other clubs offer bareback for €250 or something. Can someone clarify this?? And dont anyone fucking flame me for bringing it up. If its available then it should be covered clearly in the FAQ.
PS I thought Heavensgate and Cocoon are owned by the same people.
Cordelia thanks for your reply.
a) Fingering: not all girls allow fingering, some only allow fingering of the pussy, some want extra for fingering, some want to charge anal price for fingering of the anus, and some will let you finger every hole deeply for no extra fee:D
b) Kissing: some will do DFK, some only do light kissing, and some will push their tongue down into your stomach and taste your cornflakes :D
c) Rimming: Again many dont allow it, some want extra, some charge anal prices
d) CIM: various charges
e) Are multi cums allowed in a session? varies from club to club, girl to girl.
Ha ha ha! Here I recognize you Wan king!
I will correct my FAQ, but I'm not expert enough to detail this for each Club however. Anyway, it depends more about each girl I believe so.
Regarding the bareback sex, I will just mention that there are rumors about it, as no one has ever reported clearly having paid extra for this in any club. I can't confirm anything about this. You are the first that mention a specific price for it.
Routard
Will Stewart
08-25-06, 10:24
a) Fingering: not all girls allow fingering, some only allow fingering of the pussy, some want extra for fingering, some want to charge anal price for fingering of the anus, and some will let you finger every hole deeply for no extra fee:D
From my experience of asking about this with a couple of girls at the Palace, the first allowed my to use one finger as long as I put a condom on it!
The second said it would be €50 extra, but didn't take her up on his so don't know if that was similar to before or a bare finger.
Routard - bareback prices. This varies widely from nothing to huge sums. In World (the club I know best) they will make any girl who does it unwelcome. So I think you are right to avoid saying anything specific. Perhaps it would be wise also to refer to the many health risks of sharing your semen and other bodily fluids with other men who have been there before you (to say nothing of what one might get from the girl)
In my experience bareback is something some girls prefer and that means that with a very very few girls you always have to make sure they put the condom on - and that they don't take it off
There are several issues around fingering for a girl (Cordelia correct me if I'm wrong):
-she might get infected my bacteria if nails are not clean. this is a serious issue for her, as it means that she might need to stop working.
-she might get hurted by nails, especially if someone is not aware about this issue.
-she might get hurted more easily by inexperienced customer with finger than with dick, as a dick has no bone and can't bend as much.
-she might need lub before any penetration. If she can easily put lub before sex as there is a condom, customer will probably not agree having lub on his finger.
Fingering is supposed to stimulate more the girl than the man. If it hurts her more than it stimulates, it's needless to finger. I'm always extremely cautious with fingering, as I know that it might be an issue for some. First, nails need to be clean and the shortest possible. I usually start to caress between the legs and watch how she reacts. If she tends to protect herself, it's a clear sign that she belongs to the category of girls that have an issue with fingering. If I still want to finger, then I start first with DATY, in order to be sure that her pussy is wet enough for penetration. And when I start to finger, I do it very softly and I first stay in the outer part of the pussy. This is where the clitoris is anyway, so enough to stimulate her. Mostly, after some time, she will push my hand to make me understand that she likes it and that I can go further. When I'm finally fingering, I take care not to bend the part of my finger that is inside and to touch her only with the fingerside opposite of the nails. I'm very carefull about girls reaction, it indicates me weither I must go deaper or stay outside, faster or slower, harder or softer...Doing like this, I have nearly never had any refusal for fingering.
And then of course you have the girls that have no problem at all with fingering, no matter which hole, and all these precautions are useless (except for the clean and short nails).
Whoh, I can't believe I dare to give fingering lessons to 150 000 worldwide experienced mongerers!
During my visits to Bernds, I have never met anyone even close to offer FS without condom. The opposite in fact. Katja is famous for her knowledge about how to put on a condom so the male guest won't recognize it. I was really scared the first time when she started to ride me in the sofa downstairs, and I was 100% convinced there was no rubber in between. I withdraw and asked her if we should not use some protection, just to realize it was on...
After the session, Katja was really angry at me, how I even could imagine she would do this without. I have also read in some german forums that there are many men fooled by Katja this way. She gets always very pissed off when they have asked her for a rubber when it's already there. I can only say this talent is amazing, you just can't figure out when it's put on. Might be a good source for a rumour. The rest of her talents are well worth a visit as well.
Talking about fingering. I always try to be as clean and newly shaved as possible when I go there. This mayby sounds crazy, but I stop on a small road and shave with a battery shaver, brush my teeth and rubb my nails. I have never been denied DATY or fingering at Bernds. I have noticed how some girls, very nice and gentle when we sit fondling in the sofa, caress my fingers obviously to check the nails.
And then we have Brandy (at Bernds) who literally complained because I had not driven my thumb hard enough into her anus. It's not always easy to know how to behave...
Hi guys,
I'm flying into Frankfurt in the next few weeks, and I'm trying to decide which club will be the best to spend some time and money in. I've been to World (for Halloween 04), but I think that might be out of my way for the day. I arrive around 7AM, and have to be on a train southbound to meet some people leaving around 6PM. So, my questions for the experts:
1. Oase, Palace, or World? I know to get to World I'll have to hop a few trains and take cab, etc., so is it worth it?
2. Do any of these places have Dessous day on Tuesday? I hate that stuff.
3. Should I store my luggage in the lockers at the Frankfurt train station, or do the clubs have somewhere to store it?
4. Is it possible to find a place to take a nap at any of these clubs? I might be overestimating my stamina to think that I can hop off a plane and jump into a club with no adverse effects.
Sorry for so many questions! I appreciate any and all advice!
The following is from the Bernds thread from July 2005. So it would seem that bareback is/was only available with the odd girl, and certainly not with every girl :
She then asked me whether I wanted "with or without condom".
Given that the BJ was already in progress I was not sure why she was asking the question. I asked for clarification, and she told me she meant for sex. That is true, this girl was offering Bareback sex. I was disgusted. I had heard rumours that it happens at this club, but thought it was folklore. The strange thing was this girl wouldn't do Cum in Mouth - Genius this girl (The CIM is because she also doesn't like it in her private sex life). I couldn't really get into it anymore after that.
This club has had an influx of about 6 new girls in the past two months, and all of them are young and between reasonably and very pretty. But the Everything uncovered makes me a little worried, and I won't be going down as much here anymore. I guess they think all the over 60 customers are relatively safe, but I am half that age.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=374400&postcount=17
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=374404&postcount=18
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=374426&postcount=19
I've been away so let me jot down some catchup comments.
To Toscana:
Not a problem, dude! Hope to run into you at an NRW club one of these days and I can show you why I prefer the NRW clubs.
On fingering:
I bring a nail clipper with me on my trips so I can keep my nails short.
At Dolce Vita, Ewa and Nicole like to be fingered but they make you put on a condom so you can do it safely and comfortably for them.
I remember an instance at Babylon when I went over to Verona and we were soon in the middle of intense couch action and heavy tongue kissing.
She starts to go down on me and I naturally put my hands between her legs to feel her down there. I start fingering her.
Her friend who is sitting off to the side of us gets involved and says to me: "Don't finger my friend" and she takes my hand and pulls it away. In the meanwhile I'm getting extremely excited and her talking to me while her friend is going down on me is turning into a distraction. I insist on fingering her friend, she insists (jokingly) that I shouldn't be doing it. This goes on a couple of times and at the end before we go to the room I've not only got a hardon, I'm laughing like crazy.
Where else on the planet would such a conversation take place?
From my experience, some women like it and some women don't. Its quite hard to generalize really.
An ex-girlfriend taught me how to do it in a way that she likes but I've not found that it works for all women.
She liked to have her G-spot stimulated which involved basically crooking your finger inside her and rubbing the roof of her vagina (assuming she is lying on her back).
I met up with my local gangbang group lately (more about this in another report) and the woman we were with liked it this way too. In fact, she was a squirter (first time I'd met one of those). The bedsheets, the carpet, the couch were all very wet at the end of the evening.
She was also the first woman I've almost fisted succesfully. I got four fingers inside her. I don't have large hands but four fingers was an accomplishment.
On bareback:
I've never been offered bareback even at Bernds so from my perspective its only a rumor that they allow this.
I have lost the condom a handful of times while having sex there and at other clubs. Of course, I was concerned but the women were not always concerned and I did not contract anything I am aware of.
I don't look for bareback though so maybe if I asked for it I'd get a different response.
Travelforfun
08-27-06, 10:20
Its nice to know my fellow mongers follows good Hygiene practices and are considerate about the girls health and safety.
I myself indulge withoutfail in the nail clipping , shave and mouth wash schedule everytime i visit the clubs as well but somehow am a little less considerate when it comes to my own gal.
Ironical but i guess thats how god made us men...we always care less for whats on our platter ;). Im sorry the above has nothing to with the rooms topic but just a thought.
I been to oase,palace and world in frankfurt,and i want a new trip.Is it any other
cities have the same fkk scene like frankfurt?
I been to oase,palace and world in frankfurt,and i want a new trip. Is it any other cities have the same fkk scene like frankfurt?
.. if you read the reports on this forum and get a map of Germany you should be able to figure this out for yourself.
I don't want to sound mean or anything but we encourage self-service on this forum. :-)
In fact, there is a whole thread which deals with clubs which deserve their own threads and it shouldn't take long to take that data and map it.
If you have a detailed question about a specific club you will usually find someone who can answer it here. General questions such as this imply you don't want to read what is already here.
Nordboer. In addition to Jackyo's comment - if you read Routard's recent reports under Reports of Distinction you will get a good idea of a few of the major clubs. If your monicker is a guide I guess you will be particularly interested in NRW (Goldentime, Bernds etc). Kaleu's club list is running again -www.kaleus-clubindex.com - more info there than any mortal could ever use
I been to oase,palace and world in frankfurt,and i want a new trip.Is it any other
cities have the same fkk scene like frankfurt?
Nordboer,
how far away do you want to stray from Frankfurt? Does it have to be in Germany? Europe? If you really want the best city for the hobby, one that beats the FKK experience in every single dimension (mind you, I am saying this as a GREAT fan of Oase and FKKW), then may I suggest Rio. I am in Rio right now. On my last visit to Rio last year I had my first exposure to Rio termas by going to one particular place, L'uomo. This time I read the board there and tried to do it right, also visiting other clubs and termas. And I am having the time of my life. For your convenience, here are the links to the posts that I just uploaded:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502255
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502254
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502253
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502251
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502249
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502248
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502577
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502584
Again, I am very keen on the German FKK scene and stop over whenever I am in Europe. But if you want something different, try Rio. I just love it. Price comparison: I quote all prices in Brazilian reais (R). The exchange rate I got at L'uomo when I paid in Euro today was 1 euro = 2.6 reais.
Oh, and if you don't have the opportunity or inclination to go to Rio, I hope you still enjoy the above posts.
euro
I arrived in Dorsten-Wulfen on Saturday 2-Sep and hit the ground running, thanks to the info from this forum (especially Wan King). I checked into Hotel Humbert and proceeded to PT Dorsten. I was there on Sat. from about 8pm-3am, and then again on Mon. from about 2pm-10pm.
The short story is, while I can't say I didn't get my money's worth, it did seem less pleasant an experience than what I expected based on previous reports. First, some basic stats: Sat.: paid Eur125, the manager said there were 9 girls (8 of which I can remember). Did 6 of them, one of them twice, for a total of 7 pokes (didn't cum, in order to be able to sample the variety; now I see how the tantric idea of not ejaculating can be useful in some situations; also, I didn't get oral because it's not my thing, but they typically do BBBJ first). Mon.: paid Eur100, there were 5 girls (3 were repeats from Sat.) did 4 of them, one of them twice, for a total of 5 pokes (and came twice, the first and last times). Too much information? Oh well. Now, what was the downside? Well, you may notice that the number of girls was less than what was previously reported (8 girls on weeknights, several more than that on Sat.). I heard that several of the girls are out of action due to the flu. In general, it seemed like there was a lot of waiting around involved. I chatted with some other guys who corroborated my opinion that it was a bad night (especially Mon.) due to shortage of girls, plus one guy who has been there many times said the girls didn't seem very friendly that night for some unknown reason. There was also a lot of DFE (but I suppose that has to be expected from girls who do dozens of guys in a day). I must give credit to the manager who tried to improve things after I gave him some feedback about the girls seeming unfriendly. Going forward, maybe things will get better as the girls recover from the flu, but who knows. YMMV.
I'm planning to stay in this area until 13.Sep. Naturally, I plan to visit Heavensgate, which also in Dorsten-Wulfen. Other than that, I may venture to some other areas nearby, possibly Essen and Dusseldorf. I would prefer to go places that are within an hour or two by train and not hard to find. Of the many clubs mentioned in previous reports, I can't for the life of me figure out which ones are in my target area, and/or easily accessible, because I have no idea of German geography (this is my first visit to Germany and I don't even have a map). I read the report about Beverly being a good choice for 5.Sep, so if within the next few hours I can figure out how to get there via public transit, I may give it a try, but I don't see how I'll get back to Dorsten-Wulfen late at night (or maybe I should check out and move).
If there are any other mongers in the area now or before 13.Sep, let me know and we can do some joint exploration.
Night Cat, I arrive on the 13th - are you knocking around or will you be gone??
Fuck me, I hope the women have recovered by then, and numbers and general vibe are back to normal !!!
BTW I have an urge to change my username to "Smegma Vagina", what do you all think?? :D
I'll be in the area until the 13th, when I leave Germany. If there are any mongers around during this period, let me know. I'll probably stay in Dorsten-Wulfen the whole time, with possible excursions to Essen or Dusseldorf, or maybe Bochum, which was recommended by a local guy.
I visited Heavensgate on Tue. (6pm-midnight) and Wed. (5-11pm). This was my first FKK. The short story is, it's quite good. There are girls of varying shapes and sizes, and ages, most of them attractive in one way or another, some of them model-quality. There seems to be around a dozen girls at any given time. There are very few men in the afternoon, so you can more or less have your choice, and then more men start showing up around 6 or 7pm, so the girls get busier, but I didn't feel there was a shortage of girls (like I did at PT Dorsten, where the girls were very busy, see previous report). The girls sit around on couches waiting for men to sit with them. They don't initiate contact, but some of them will give you the eye. After some chatting, the girl will suggest going upstairs to a room (eur35/20min for BBBJ+FS, eur25/20min for CBJ+FS or FS only). Most of the girls are topless, some totally nude, and some are covered both top and bottom. So it's nice that you can generally see what you're getting.
Basic stats: Tue.: paid e35 for entry, plus 25/girl for 4 girls, total was e135. Following my usual m.o., I avoided cumming in order to sample more variety, and I forewent the BJ because I'm not into it, just F'ing. Wed.: paid e35 entry, plus 25/girl for 3 girls, total was e110, cum only with the first and last.
The first girl on Wed. was a repeat session with a girl from Tue., Monique, who is my favorite. The last girl was Sabrina, a bit older, but a nice body, and very active in bed, so I couldn't hold off as easily. Also noteworthy was Melissa, from Tue., who has a model-quality face and body, Playboy centerfold type, more girl-next-door than slutty, and she's also a very nice person. She's gone for the week and will return on the 13th.
As this was my first time to an FKK, there was a bit of a learning curve. My first girl on Tuesday, a rather businesslike girl named Silke, told me during fucking that she can't do it for the whole 20 minutes (she said it's normal that fucking is only 5 minutes out of the 20). So I learned that I have to ask the girls if they can do that, before going to the room. For most girls, it's no problem, although I had to negotiate with Melissa to get 13 minutes. I also learned that you pay each girl right after your session with her (not when you leave the place).
The other girls I did included a Thai girl who was very friendly in the lounge, but the feeling with her in bed was kind of average; plus, an older Eastern European lady who I did mainly because she has big knockers.
Once in a while I get a little hung up on a P4P girl, and I've learned that I shouldn't get too caught up in that, but it happens. I found myself watching Monique, and wondering what she's up to. She has a slightly dark complexion, a cute face, and a kind of body that I really like, slightly pudgy, but only enough to be a little bouncy, not flabby at all, and tits that sort of stand out (pun intended), with large areola. She may not be considered a model-type, but she's a type that I like. I had a very comfortable feeling with her in bed, in a way I don't often find, perhaps a kind of "physical chemistry." Don't worry, I'm experienced enough to know not to get obsessed. The best thing to do in this situation is to be her repeat customer, and that's what I intend to do, during my time remaining.
The adventure continues.
As this was my first time to an FKK, there was a bit of a learning curve. My first girl on Tuesday, a rather businesslike girl named Silke, told me during fucking that she can't do it for the whole 20 minutes (she said it's normal that fucking is only 5 minutes out of the 20). So I learned that I have to ask the girls if they can do that, before going to the room. For most girls, it's no problem, although I had to negotiate with Melissa to get 13 minutes.I have never been to Heavensgate, but this is not something you should have to put up with in a decent FKK and it is sure as hell not the norm. The learning curve here is not to accept that kind of crap. It might though have something to do with you skipping the BJ and going for the 25e option instead of 35e (but IMO still not good enough excuse for the girl to claim you only get 5 minutes of fuck time).
Chivaz
As this was my first time to an FKK, there was a bit of a learning curve. My first girl on Tuesday, a rather businesslike girl named Silke, told me during fucking that she can't do it for the whole 20 minutes (she said it's normal that fucking is only 5 minutes out of the 20). So I learned that I have to ask the girls if they can do that, before going to the room. For most girls, it's no problem, although I had to negotiate with Melissa to get 13 minutes. I also learned that you pay each girl right after your session with her (not when you leave the place).
I agree with Chivaz. This isn't normal. Anywhere.
Take this woman's name and put it on a blacklist.
Its also possible that she is out of shape. I've found that sex with a woman who is in excellent physical shape is quite different from having sex with one who is flabby and easy winded.
The test, IMHO, is when you ask her to get on top. Some women just don't have the leg strength to keep pumping for a long time.
At this club and at Cocoon which offers similar pricing I always say up front that I want a double session. I don't want to be rushed. This way the women also don't get the idea I'm trying to be cheap. It gets them away from being clock watchers and gets them to focus on service.
I have been to rio and and try thermas there,but i like palace etc more because its better facitlities bigger house more luxury.
I only think about a weekend trip so rio its too far away.Maybe another cities in germany have the same good places like frankfurt?
Nordboer,
how far away do you want to stray from Frankfurt? Does it have to be in Germany? Europe? If you really want the best city for the hobby, one that beats the FKK experience in every single dimension (mind you, I am saying this as a GREAT fan of Oase and FKKW), then may I suggest Rio. I am in Rio right now. On my last visit to Rio last year I had my first exposure to Rio termas by going to one particular place, L'uomo. This time I read the board there and tried to do it right, also visiting other clubs and termas. And I am having the time of my life. For your convenience, here are the links to the posts that I just uploaded:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502255
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502254
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502253
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502251
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502249
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502248
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502577
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502584
Again, I am very keen on the German FKK scene and stop over whenever I am in Europe. But if you want something different, try Rio. I just love it. Price comparison: I quote all prices in Brazilian reais (R). The exchange rate I got at L'uomo when I paid in Euro today was 1 euro = 2.6 reais.
Oh, and if you don't have the opportunity or inclination to go to Rio, I hope you still enjoy the above posts.
euro
I will be in Koln area at the end of September for the first time and will have car. I have been in Frankfurt big 3 clubs and I enjoyed them all. I would look for something simmilar.
What would you suggest up in that area? How different are northern clubs from FRA big 3?
Also, if you can suggest some decent inexpensive hotels near by those clubs.
Thank you.
This article may be of interest to some of the readers here.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=504957&postcount=2435
B-Gee,
I am pissed that I could not send this PM, you should set up your pm system!
Goldentime and Planet happy Garden are both good and an hour northwest of Koln.
Samya in Koln is also good, as is Traumparadise, even though it is not an FKK
If you can go during a weekday then Bernds Sauna about half an hour south of Cologne is great.
Read reports od distinction for the difference in clubs.
Monkey1717
09-11-06, 10:15
I'm am thinking of visiting an FKK in OCT. I will either be in Amsterdam or Bermen, Germany and is thinking of visiting an FKK. I was thinking of Goldentime or Planet Happy Garden.
Does anyone have any advice for someone who doesn't speak German on which FKK caters to forgeiners more?
Thanks for any help.
both are equally good for english speaker, but from either A'dam or Bremen way out of your way. The route from A'dam down to either club and up to Bremen will be 3 hours of driving between each point.
Due to last minute business travel plan change, I’ll be in Kaiserslaugten instead of my usual spot. Not being familiar with the area, any recommended FKK clubs close by within an hour drive?
Thanks.
CBGBConnisur
09-13-06, 07:12
I got a question, can non-EU citizens buy property in Germany?
Sportsman
You can get to either Palace or Oase within an hour by my reckoning. Straight up the A63, onto the A60 and you are in the area already. Fast if you do not get caught up around Mainz.
Flamingo Island in Karlsruhe is a bit closer and has its fans. FKK Point in Bruchsal also (no experience, mediocre reports).
Closest are Neunkirchen (20-25 mins, A6, then A8) and Saarbrücken (25-30 mins, straight along the A6). Smaller clubs. NK good on some days. Saarbrücken: don't know.
I got a question, can non-EU citizens buy property in Germany?Learn to google and you will find information: http://www.expatfocus.com/expatriate-germany-buying-property
Chivaz
Next month will be my first trip to an FKK. In reading posts, it is obvious that when you go to a room or have sex with girl - you will be charged.
There is a certain amount of time checking out who to go to a room with. While obviously if you just talk, there will be no charge, how about if you kiss them or diddle with a finger? at what point does the 'meter' start ticking?
Also are there any sex shows in Germany (like Amsterdam). I'll probably only be in Frankfurt and was planning on going to Palace.
Any insights or advice would be welcomed!!
Thx Fred
Next month will be my first trip to an FKK. Also are there any sex shows in Germany (like Amsterdam). I'll probably only be in Frankfurt and was planning on going to PALACE.
Any insights or advice would be welcomed!!
Thx Fred
Go to Reports of Distinction. #20 should do it, although there are many to choose from.
Don't bother looking for sex shows. There are some strip bars down by the Hauptbanhof, but they are tourist ripoffs and the area's seedy and not so safe. Besides, it's a complete waste of time when there are FKK's to visit.
Sportsman
You can get to either Palace or Oase within an hour by my reckoning. Straight up the A63, onto the A60 and you are in the area already. Fast if you do not get caught up around Mainz.
Flamingo Island in Karlsruhe is a bit closer and has its fans. FKK Point in Bruchsal also (no experience, mediocre reports).
Closest are Neunkirchen (20-25 mins, A6, then A8) and Saarbrücken (25-30 mins, straight along the A6). Smaller clubs. NK good on some days. Saarbrücken: don't know.Thanks Tosc,
I have been to FI and intend to stop by there on my way up K-town. I'll check out the directions of other clubs you mentioned.
Thanks again,
Sportsman
Hollandmale
09-14-06, 07:25
While obviously if you just talk, there will be no charge, how about if you kiss them or diddle with a finger ? At what point does the 'meter' start ticking ?Kissing and cuddling is free, as long as no sex (DATY-BJ-IC) is involved. But girls are quick to identify "freebees" (kissing/cuddling/groping around, without booking a room), and will avoid them. So if you want to stay in the game, be modest with kissing/cuddling.
Kissing and cuddling is free, as long as no sex (DATY-BJ-IC) is involved. But girls are quick to identify "freebees" (kissing/cuddling/groping around, without booking a room), and will avoid them. So if you want to stay in the game, be modest with kissing/cuddling.
In a former forum this question was asked a lot.
Some guys would try to have physical contact with as many girls as possible, stand up after a couple of minutes saying they needed to go to the bathroom or some other excuse and then find another girl to fool around with.
This doesn't work. They talk amongst themselves and the worst thing that can happen is you get blacklisted and nobody wants to have any contact with you.
Be honest and only approach girls you are willing to go all the way with.
If you want to make it clear you are only window shopping, sit a foot or so away from her while having a conversation and avoid physical contact. You deprive her of making contact with customers if you sit too close or take up too much of her time.
Officially things start when she goes down on you but "intensives fummeln" or intensive petting counts for time. If you touch her private parts, you may not officially be obligated but she will hold it against you if you don't follow through and take her into a room.
I have also had the experience of sometimes being invited to sit with someone who I'd either met before or had a session with before and not been charged for the time. The key word here is "invited". Usually its when things are quiet or when there aren't too many other customers. Usually we just sit and talk but sometimes my hands or her hands might wander but it won't be in a sexual way. I've offered massages, the offers have been taken and there was no commitment on my part to pay for any of this time.
This is where your rapport with her comes in. Remember, they are women and they like to be charmed, romanced, etc.. A little bit of tenderness, a willingness to listen, an ability to hold a conversation - these things matter too. If you act like a jerk and don't treat them well, you will be treated accordingly.
The last time I was at Samya, for example, a girl I'd seen a couple of times was waiting for a phone call. She says to me, "Come sit with me. I'm waiting for a call and in the meanwhile we can just sit and talk." So we sit in a corner side-by-side and we talk. She gets her phone call and later in the day I have a session with her but just sitting and talking with minimal physical contact is kostenlos. From her perspective, sitting with someone she knows allowed her also to take a break while she waited for her phone call. If not, the rest of the customers assume she is free (which she was not) and she'd spend the time waiting fending them off.
At Sankt Augustine-Meindorf, my favorite girl, Vanessa, would come to me on the couch, lean on me and fall asleep in my arms. This is as close to having a girlfriend experience as you can get. That Sankt Augustine-Meindorf club was something else though. Bernds was its sister club and is by itself a very loose "anything goes" club. Sankt Augustine-Meindorf was even looser, if you can imagine that.
When I was a newbie, I tended to want to sample the entire room, meet all of the women. Over the past few years I've changed my perspective. I find someone I like and I book multiple sessions with her. This means there is less risk in having a bad experience. It also means we develop familiarity with one another and she feels more comfortable in inviting me over to just hangout and shoot the breeze. She knows in the end that I will book additional sessions and so it doesn't matter that she is tied up.
If you speak her language, you score points.
How is your Polish, Russian and Turkish?
I am running out of room on my passport. Does anyone know if you can use the two blank pages for entry/exit stamps. I am almost out of room on the visa section. I know I can get additional pages, but this takes time. I want to get in a few more trips this year.
I am running out of room on my passport. Does anyone know if you can use the two blank pages for entry/exit stamps. I am almost out of room on the visa section. I know I can get additional pages, but this takes time. I want to get in a few more trips this year.
Hello Akibono,
I am guessing that you are a US citizen, no? If so, then you may be able to get those pages added in Frankfurt at the US Consulate. They are open for this service between 7:30 and 11:30 (AM) and it really doesn't take that long.
http://frankfurt.usconsulate.gov/frankfurt/citizen_services.html
7:30-11:30 in not the best time for FKKing in any case ;-))))
Good luck,
Dedalus
Guys, I’ve been thinking about the joy of fucking. I’m a man of theories. Often ridiculous and wrong, but nevertheless. I couldn’t find any thread on sexual technique in ISG so I’ll post this here for now. I’d appreciate your assent, but your refusal to agree would also be ok.
There are different states or modes that I might experience when fucking someone.
- Fast Mode: If I’m very horny and haven’t had an orgasm for some time, there is usually only a matter of minutes or seconds until I shoot.
- Normal Mode: I fuck and feel great, but it is inevitably that I am getting closer to orgasm for every hump/grind/thrust.
- Slow Mode: If I for some reason feel numb, I can go on forever. The reasons could be alcohol, drugs, excessive fucking or maybe even because I’m not really attracted to the woman (I’m ashamed :o).
Sometimes though, I reach a higher state of Euphoria when there is pure Flow ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)). You can call it Flow Mode Fucking. (FMF - Hey, what’s another useless abbreviation anyway?) Every hump/grind/thrust feels fantastic, but I am (almost) in total control so that I can go on forever. Well I don’t do that, because no matter how erotic, it usually starts to feel boring for either of us after 20-60 minutes (depending on the woman) of non stop action. Honestly, do you guy’s that do multi hour sessions really have non stop action for longer than that:confused: With girlfriends I’ve done it for longer, but then one doesn’t get bored when in love, right?
So what are the factors that trigger this? Some obvious candidates come to mind
- Mood of the day
- General health
- Mental connection to each other
- Looks of partner
- Form factor. We all know that dicks and pussies come in different shapes and sizes, so it wouldn’t be too far fetched to say that dick A fits better with pussy B than pussy C, would it?
But here comes the unexpected factor
-Amount of fucking I’ve done recently. If I fuck daily (at least once) it seems quite easy to slip into Flow Mode Fucking if the factors above are present. Whereas, if I only fuck a couple of times a month, I find it much more difficult.
Are there any openings for a career switch into service provider at a Partytreff for women :D :cool:
A Harvard professor was recently arrested when he returned from Thailand. He was a frequent visitor. He was acused to having sex with a minor and possession of kiddie porn. He and his computer were searched. While his actions are crimminal, I think the targeting of people who are potential sex tourists is a problem. I wonder if German sex becomes widely known frequent visitors to Germany will be the targets of searches.
A Harvard professor was recently arrested when he returned from Thailand. He was a frequent visitor. He was acused to having sex with a minor and possession of kiddie porn. He and his computer were searched. While his actions are crimminal, I think the targeting of people who are potential sex tourists is a problem. I wonder if German sex becomes widely known frequent visitors to Germany will be the targets of searches.
I have never been to Thailand, but my prejudice about that scene is that sex with minors there are more or less a common habit. Maybe too much said, but at least, it exist in a noticable scale. A large range of minors are not found in the FKKs in Germany, well maybe a 17,5 sometimes, but that I don't consider to be a problem.
I'm more afraid about some new morality or the influence of religion. For some reason, there seems to be ok to produce and watch movies or pc-games with the most disgusting violence in. Sexuality, and worst of all, sex just because it so fun, that is on the other hand dangerous. I just can't understand that priority.
I wonder if German sex becomes widely known frequent visitors to Germany will be the targets of searches.
I'm not a lawyer, but I kind of doubt that.
First of all, anybody messing around sexually with kids and collecting kiddie porn, Harvard Professor or no, is a general threat to society in my opinion. Whoever he is, he can sit in the same prison cell with that John Mark Karr sicko and compare notes for the rest of his life (depending on how long that might be in prison). The world does not need people like that walking around free.
As for adult visitors to Germany who choose to patronize legal government-regulated adult businesses (just as legal as patronizing an Aldi's) that operate openly as part of the German economic system, I don't know why any such visitors would be "targets of searches" back in their home countries.
On the other hand, if you purported to set yourself up as some sort of tourist guide service and somehow collect money here in the United States, for example, for that purpose, you might run into serious legal problems.
Otherwise, to paraphrase a Vegas phrase: What happens in Germany stays in Germany.
i have no sympathy for child molesters. the concern is based on the fact that he was targeted simply because of where he visited and the frequency. would any of us feel comforable if the government chose to search us if we signed up with a particular tour group or if we subscribe to this forum? sure, our activities may be "legal" but are you sure you wont be given special treatment. for example, these cell phone photos of girls, what if the customs agent thinks she is ****? how would you prove it and at what cost? the gov. does not have to be right; you still have to defend yourself.
you know what, i've experienced the same thing too.
i have at least three modes with the mode i hope to be in the "i-can-keep-doing-this-until-kingdom-come" mode.
i just keep doing her and if she is particularly sensitivie, she starts to have multiple orgasms. i am not superman though and it doesn't happen often enough for me. the triggering factors are not identifiable and i've yet to see a discernible pattern.
what i am certain of is that i have to have already come once. that way i am less sensitive.
i am also more likely to go into this mode if i have a large chunk of time with her, say two hours. i almost never book a session longer than an hour at an fkk club. i do have two hour sessions when i am in montreal (my other jagdfeld). maybe its the familiarity which a two hour session breeds as compared to a more typical half hour session.
when i first got started with hobbying the condom was a real drag. i couldn't deal with the reduced sensitivity and i'd never used it when i was with girlfriends. over time though i am actually thankful its there because that reduced sensitivity allows me to stay at it longer.
i've also become more discerning about who i give it up for. i try not to come with every woman and i seriously ask myself each time whether she is worthy or not.
at a pt i've learned to hold off and most women there i just poke at. that level of activity possible at a pt is just unbelievable and i'd be in a hospital if i didn't hold back.
what i would like to see more of is use of the female condom.
i hooked up with someone for a one night stand locally and after we had some preliminaries on the couch where i had her mostly out of her clothes, she stood up and went to clean up. she came back and when i put my hands down there, she had inserted a thin latex sack into herself. i went right into her, didn't have to put anything on. it was among the most natural experiences of my career very similar to having a real-life girlfriend.
i've tried to find the female condom to stock but i have yet to see it on store shelves.
its a very large sack by the way with a section which drapes over her outer lips and clit. she liked them also because her outer vaginal area gets stimulated as you rythmically poke at her.
and you are right. nobody discusses the form factor but it is true that i fit into some women better than in others.
its like trying to fit a glove - some just feel better than others do. the angle of entry is different for each one, as well.
all the more reason to do what i do on a club visit: find someone i fit into well and do multiple sessions with her.
one thing i will add to this: of all of the elements of being inside her, it is that her internal temperature which does it for me. warm women are a treat. cold, lukewarm women less so. this is both literally and figuratively.
and then there is the issue of viscosity.
my gangbang club met again last night. we were supposed to meet up with two women but they cancelled so this one woman we'd seen previously decided to take their place.
this woman is a squirter. basically she [CodeWord133] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord133) when she comes.
now the viscosity of [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) is not conducive, imho. it is not a lubricant. i was with her a couple of times but i could get no traction and could not feel her warmth through the rubber. i left the session without coming at all.
is there a standard for measuring the viscosity of natural female lubricant? would it be similar to how motor oils are graded? and if you were doing her in the winter should you insist on the winter grade? and should you insist on winterbereifung (winter rubbers, i.e. snow tires) as well?
One thing I will add to this: of all of the elements of being inside her, it is that her internal temperature which does it for me. Warm women are a treat. Cold, lukewarm women less so. This is both literally and figuratively.I appreciate your comments, so let me comment on your comment about my comment ... whatever:D
You are on to something. Warm women are a treat. But I have never thought much of their internal temperature, although it makes sense. So let me respond with a question. I often find that black women have cold hands, which for me is a good reason not do have sex with them. Would you say, with your experience, that this has no relation to whether they are warm inside? How often do you encounter a woman that is warm on the outside (hands, legs etc) but cold inside, and vice versa?
I appreciate your comments, so let me comment on your comment about my comment ... whatever:D
You are on to something. Warm women are a treat. But I have never thought much of their internal temperature, although it makes sense. So let me respond with a question. I often find that black women have cold hands, which for me is a good reason not do have sex with them. Would you say, with your experience, that this has no relation to whether they are warm inside? How often do you encounter a woman that is warm on the outside (hands, legs etc) but cold inside, and vice versa?
Interesting question you ask. Let me chew on it a bit and get back to you. I honestly have never taken much notice but now that you ask..
When I first started hobbying I was quite indiscriminating, accepting almost any level of service, not being very picky.
Now that I've been at it for a while and had innumerable experiences, I've tried to deconstruct the good experiences because if I can identify what I enjoyed best I can repeat the best experiences more often.
Just as I have several modes, I also think there are several orgasm levels.
Right now I can only think of two.
There is the "Lets-get-this-out-of-the-way" orgasm. Some women insist that you orgasm as proof that you enjoyed it. I may orgasm with them but it is not a satisfying orgasm because its using a method (such as a handjob) which I don't find satisfying. I did this the last time at Cocoon because I was having a really bad experience with someone there and I didn't want to be with her any longer. When I have this kind of orgasm, I am usually "fertig". I can't have another one for a while and I am ready to leave the club.
There is the "This-woman-is-unf'in-believable" orgasm. I go at it, I look in her eyes, she really gets into it and we were made for each other and so I naturally want to release it inside her. When I finally achieve my release, everything in the world is in its place, all the planets are aligned. When I have this kind of orgasm, it makes me want more and I book multiple sessions with her afterwards. If she can recreate the mood, I can have a couple more after that. It seems that I can go on and on. Its an effortless orgasm, does not strain my liquid resources.
I got into thinking about temperature in my process of deconstructing the experience because the truth is that my measuring device is only really sensitive to a few elements in getting to know her bright pink parts:
a) her temperature,
b) her tightness,
c) her moisture,
d) her angle of approach,
e) her depth,
f) her muscle control
Am I missing anything?
Temperature we've already discussed. I got into this because I used to have a knockout woman working for me. I'd remember once in a while helping her with something at her desk. She'd say something like: "Can you show me how to do this?" I'd say, "Sure, let me sit in your chair so I can show you on your computer." I'd switch to her chair and the warmth of her butt on the chair was always just amazing. To show you how amazing a physical specimen she was, everytime I went to have lunch with her at a restaurant, the whole room would kind of watch us walk in and sit down. The guys obviously were more into it than the women. I used to think I had my zipper down or something but then figured out it was her. She was very used to it, never had any idea at all how hot she was.
The tighter, she is the better. This goes to your comment on the "form factor". I don't like a loose fit, I prefer a relatively tight one which grips and where you can create some friction. But too tight is also bad. I once was with a very young woman at Wiago and believe it or not I could not get it inside her. She was wide open but some reason she was impenetrable. I gave up eventually.
Moisture I kind of mention in my last comment. It has to be the right kind of fluid viscosity though. Nothing more unsatisfying than finding someone who is dry or someone who doesn't have the right viscosity.
Some women need a pillow under them to get the correct angle of approach. These angles vary quite a bit. There are angles which I find uncomfortable and have to make corrections to.
I am not a large person so I very rarely find her depth insufficient. I have met two women whose cervixes I've reached though. One complained that it wasn't a comfortable feeling and caused her pain. I had to back away.
Now muscle control is a treat. I've met a handful of women who are capable of squeezing at will. Some of the women at PT Mettmann have this down to perfection. I also remember a tall blonde German woman at Atlantis who started to squeeze me when I came inside her. She totally surprised me and needless to say, I thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Women with this talent I never forget.
Of all of these elements, I rank temperature number one.
CBGBConnisur
09-21-06, 08:39
A Harvard professor was recently arrested when he returned from Thailand. He was a frequent visitor. He was acused to having sex with a minor and possession of kiddie porn. He and his computer were searched. While his actions are crimminal, I think the targeting of people who are potential sex tourists is a problem. I wonder if German sex becomes widely known frequent visitors to Germany will be the targets of searches.
I don't think Germany would be a problem, the sex scene is not as transparent as in Thailand, in fact most people don't know much about it. Everybody makes the assumption when a Western male goes to Thailand they are there for sex. Frankfurt is a banker's city known more as a European center of commerce and finance. I don't think US authorities will harrass Americans who visit countries like Germany.
Lost Johnny
09-21-06, 14:44
A Harvard professor was recently arrested when he returned from Thailand. He was a frequent visitor. He was acused to having sex with a minor and possession of kiddie porn. He and his computer were searched. While his actions are crimminal, I think the targeting of people who are potential sex tourists is a problem. I wonder if German sex becomes widely known frequent visitors to Germany will be the targets of searches.They searched my computer upon returning to US last March from China/Thaialnd, they tried to tell me there were "1200 Porn video clips" on it, what idiots. I know how much porn I have, not 1200 clips, and nothing illegal. Still it was 2 plus hours and they nicked all my DVD's, Oh well, live and learn, just be carefull you don't have anything they might not like, even if it's not kiddie porn or anything bad, keep your hard drive clean or learn to hide stuff (that's another thread).
Don't know what is happening at Frankfurt this weekend but rental cars are difficult to find. The messe was last week!
A discussion of German FKK culture would not be complete without a mention of the Aufgusszeremonie:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufguss
The Roemer have a Saunameister, Amnesix, who is presides over a fairly elaborate sauna ceremony involving secret scented potions poured on the steaming sauna stones, towel waving and fanning to concentrate the heat.
Highly recommended if you are every lucky enough to be in the sauna at World, for example, when he is there. He knows his stuff.
You have not really experienced a sauna until you've attended one of these events.
At the end everyone claps. Its that enjoyable an experience.. and it doesn't involve any sex.
I found this joke on a German forum years ago and translated it into English for them. Its a little dated as it refers a number of times to Atlantis, which no longer exists but it still gets the point across. Fantasyland is also now defunct.
The author's name is Deanix.
I recognize a lot of these symptoms in myself, by the way.
First the line in German, then my translation in English:
- Woran ich erkenne, dass ich Clubsüchtig bin:
- How I recognize that I am addicted to FKK clubs:
1) beim Sex mit der Ehefrau frage ich, ob Sie auch ZKs anbietet
While having sex with my wife, I ask her if she French kisses
2) die Clubs haben eine Einzugsermächtigung von meinem Konto
The clubs have direct withdrawal privileges from my bank account
3) ich bin der Meinung, alle Frauen seien 22 Jahre alt und tragen französische Namen
I believe that all women are 22 years old and have French names
(a variation of this is: "I believe that all women are 22 years of age, named Michelle and come from Koeln")
4) zum Grillfest meines Chefs erscheine ich mit einem Handtuch um der Hüfte
At a barbecue given by my boss I show up with a towel around my hips
5) an der Rezeption des Steigenberger frage ich nach den anwesenden Top-Acts in der Hotelsauna
At the reception desk of a luxury hotel (The Steigenberger Hof) I ask about the presence of top service providers in the hotel sauna
6) ich habe in Altenstadt, Burgholz- und Görgeshausen Zweitwohnsitze angemeldet
I have registered a second residence in Altenstadt (Atlantis’ hometown), Burgholzhausen (Oase’s hometown) and Goergeshausen (Fantasyland’s hometown).
7) bei der Bundestagswahl suche ich auf dem Wahlzettel die Imperatoren
At the Federal parliament elections, I look for the Commanders names on the ballot (a Roman reference - the guys who run the forum are known as the Imperatoren)
8) alle meine Freunde tragen seltsame Namen, viele enden mit ...ix
All of my friends have unusual names, most of which end with “ix” (as in Amnesix, Obelix… etc.. – again a reference to Asterix)
9) ich trage privat nur noch Badelatschen
I only wear bath slippers when I am at home
10) bei "Wer wird Millionär?" behaupte ich bei der letzten Frage, Atlantis sei nie untergegangen
On “Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?” I argue at the last question that Atlantis never sank
11) ich spreche mittlerweile russisch, rumänisch, polnisch, tschechisch und sächsisch
I have started to speak Russian, Rumanian, Polish, Czech and Sachsen
12) als Startseite des Internet-Browsers habe ich das Römerforum hinterlegt
I have the Roemerforum as the start page of my Internet browser
13) ich habe einen eigenen Parkplatz und einen eigenen Spind im Club
I have my own parking place and locker at the clubs
14) nach dem Onanieren habe ich das Bedürfnis einen Bericht darüber zu schreiben
After jacking off I feel the need to write a report
Und das sicherste Zeichen, daß ich Clubsüchtig bin:
And the surest sign that I am addicted to these clubs:
15) meinen Wohnungsschlüssel trage ich an einem roten Plastikbändchen ums Handgelenk
I wear my apartment key on a red plastic band on my wrist
Enjoy!
14) nach dem Onanieren habe ich das Bedürfnis einen Bericht darüber zu schreiben
After jacking off I feel the need to write a report
he he :D
Hello Jackyo,
Too many of those hit a little close to home. Maybe I should see someone...
Cheers,
Dedalus, who switches his "Startseite" between ISG, Roemerforum and Ignatz.
Jackyo - following on the addiction comment (in a more serious vein)
In the world I live in, women are clothed, are obssessed with gossip and backbiting and apparently not interested in sex (if I believe all the stories I hear) (forgive the generalisation - I know it is sweeping, and that a similar list can be made for men)
In FKK all women are slim, intelligent, sensitive, embody an electric sexual charge in their touch, are goodlooking, walk around naked and will treat me with genuine respect..
So I think I'm not suffering addiction but am experiencing something real which highlights some of the strange social mores which society accepts as normal.
Even the transient nature of FKK relationships is much more honest and real than the pretence in "normal" life that everything is lasting and important.
Slightly different - one worker I know well says she meets nicer, more honest men than she ever met in a series of high powered jobs, where nearly all were self-interested, unreliable, inscure, unimaginative etc etc.
I know I am exaggerating grossly, but there is a kernel of truth there. Maybe it's just that in FKK everybody is naked so there is more chance of honesty. Perhaps if politics was conducted by naked politicians we might be in a less destructive world.
In FKK all women are slim, intelligent, sensitive, embody an electric sexual charge in their touch, are goodlooking, walk around naked and will treat me with genuine respect..
Even the transient nature of FKK relationships is much more honest and real than the pretence in "normal" life that everything is lasting and important.
Slightly different - one worker I know well says she meets nicer, more honest men than she ever met in a series of high powered jobs, where nearly all were self-interested, unreliable, inscure, unimaginative etc etc.
I have asked myself this question too.
Strangely enough, in the unreal world of the FKK club relationships are actually more honest than they are in the real world.
The clients want certain services, the women are willing to provide it. What could be simpler than that?
The thing is not to be caught up in the illusion and go too far overboard. I never harbor romantic notions about my FKK relationships going beyond the four walls of the club.
Paraphrasing: What happens at an FKK club, stays at the club!
And as opposed to the feminist point of view that women who work at these clubs are being exploited, the women are empowered and we (the clients) are the exploited ones.
Nobody really wants to be treated as a walking cash machine but sometimes that is how some of the working women look at us. Talk about objectification and its negative consequences.
Jackyo - "Paraphrasing: What happens at an FKK club, stays at the club!"
Exactly so. When we leave the cocoon of the club we move into a different life.
Too many of those hit a little close to home. Maybe I should see someone...
Yes, you should see someone. Definitely! I have a few suggestions: Claudia, Anna, Ines (OK, maybe not her), Sophie, Ambra, Dalin, Nicky, Bani, Chanel, Renata, Sabrina, Vivian, Sashe, Anita, ... :D
As for me, it is like the alcoholic who keeps saying that he could quit if he wanted too. But then I think that what's happening inside the clubs is the real life, and the rest is the fake stuff.
But then I think that what's happening inside the clubs is the real life, and the rest is the fake stuff.
Ha!
And this might actually be the right way to view reality!
In the FKK world relationships between men and women are on an equal footing. No one takes advantage of anyone else, everyone gets exactly what they want out of a relationship. Relationships are built on total honesty.
Perhaps if politics was conducted by naked politicians we might be in a less destructive world.
Shiatsu, my friend, I practically always agree with you. But in the case of naked politicians, all you'd end up with would be a bunch of bare-assed liars.
Perhaps that's why parliament used to be called a bear pit....?
I got into thinking about temperature in my process of deconstructing the experience because the truth is that my measuring device is only really sensitive to a few elements in getting to know her bright pink parts:
a) her temperature,
b) her tightness,
c) her moisture,
d) her angle of approach,
e) her depth,
f) her muscle control
Am I missing anything?
Temperature we've already discussed. I got into this because I used to have a knockout woman working for me. I'd remember once in a while helping her with something at her desk. She'd say something like: "Can you show me how to do this?" I'd say, "Sure, let me sit in your chair so I can show you on your computer." I'd switch to her chair and the warmth of her butt on the chair was always just amazing. To show you how amazing a physical specimen she was, everytime I went to have lunch with her at a restaurant, the whole room would kind of watch us walk in and sit down. The guys obviously were more into it than the women. I used to think I had my zipper down or something but then figured out it was her. She was very used to it, never had any idea at all how hot she was.
The tighter, she is the better. This goes to your comment on the "form factor". I don't like a loose fit, I prefer a relatively tight one which grips and where you can create some friction. But too tight is also bad. I once was with a very young woman at Wiago and believe it or not I could not get it inside her. She was wide open but some reason she was impenetrable. I gave up eventually.
Moisture I kind of mention in my last comment. It has to be the right kind of fluid viscosity though. Nothing more unsatisfying than finding someone who is dry or someone who doesn't have the right viscosity.
Some women need a pillow under them to get the correct angle of approach. These angles vary quite a bit. There are angles which I find uncomfortable and have to make corrections to.
I am not a large person so I very rarely find her depth insufficient. I have met two women whose cervixes I've reached though. One complained that it wasn't a comfortable feeling and caused her pain. I had to back away.
Now muscle control is a treat. I've met a handful of women who are capable of squeezing at will. Some of the women at PT Mettmann have this down to perfection. I also remember a tall blonde German woman at Atlantis who started to squeeze me when I came inside her. She totally surprised me and needless to say, I thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Women with this talent I never forget.
Of all of these elements, I rank temperature number one.Jackyo,
I like your list. Your measuring device must have a vast experience, and you obviously have given it a lot of thought.
From your example of temperature, I interpret it as external and internal temperature is the same thing. (Especially since you don’t mention having been inside your colleague) And if so, I tend to agree, not having experienced any exceptions to this.
Still, I do not think the concept of Form Factor is simple enough to be substituted with solely tightness. A penis can be bent with curvature. Further, even if the erect penis is straight as an arrow, the woman could be equipped with some “irregularity” inside that would make a penis with a certain form just a little bit more enjoyable than a straight one.
15) meinen Wohnungsschlüssel trage ich an einem roten Plastikbändchen ums Handgelenk
I wear my apartment key on a red plastic band on my wrist
Jackyo,
Thanks for this- it's great. And # 15 actually happened for me. I had to open a locker and went straight for my wrist instead of my pocket.
Since Atlantis has sunk, wouldn't it be a good idea to write up a new list together with the Roemer guys?
Shiatsu, my friend, I practically always agree with you. But in the case of naked politicians, all you'd end up with would be a bunch of bare-assed liars.
Actually, in Finland it's accepted practice to have high level business and political meetings in the sauna, and one of the former prime ministers had cabinet meetings in saunas. Since the Finns have a very high sauna threshold this gives new meaning to the term "Sweating the opposition out".
Did something new on a stopover last week. Read it in my post http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=510771&postcount=188
Jackyo,
I like your list. Your measuring device must have a vast experience, and you obviously have given it a lot of thought.
From your example of temperature, I interpret it as external and internal temperature is the same thing. (Especially since you don’t mention having been inside your colleague) And if so, I tend to agree, not having experienced any exceptions to this.
Still, I do not think the concept of Form Factor is simple enough to be substituted with solely tightness. A penis can be bent with curvature. Further, even if the erect penis is straight as an arrow, the woman could be equipped with some “irregularity” inside that would make a penis with a certain form just a little bit more enjoyable than a straight one.
Now that I think about it, I have sometimes met women who have cold hands, feet, etc.. but who are very warm inside. The contrast in temperatures is interesting.
I remember visiting in the winter and getting to Babylon early when the heating hadn't really kicked in yet. The women ran around nude and they were all kind of huddled up on the couches. I'm sitting in my bathrobe feeling cold too. This is an incentive to generate heat and to generate it quickly.
I used to see a Hungarian woman there, Michelle, and so I am sitting by her side within minutes and soon enough we are generating heat on the couch and later in the bedroom.
She complained the whole time about having cold hands and feet but she was a raging furnace otherwise. My kind of woman!
Winter is a good time to go. Airfares are low and you can enjoy this temperature contrast.
The opposite isn't as interesting (hot outside, cold inside). She has to be warm inside. Lukewarm or cold internal temperatures just don't do it for me.
Once you are past the temperature thing, its all about mechanical fit.
Its about getting two parts to work and fit together within a certain tolerance. There is an amount of friction which has to be generated aided by a lubricant of a certain quality. Not all parts will work together well as there is a wide range of specifications. There is, indeed, a lot of irregularity.
In the world I live in, women are clothed, are obessessed with gossip and backbiting and apparently not interested in sex.
In FKK all women are slim, intelligent, sensitive, embody an electric sexual charge in their touch, are goodlooking, walk around naked and will treat me with genuine respect..
So I think I'm not suffering addiction but am experiencing something real which highlights some of the strange social mores which society accepts as normal.
Even the transient nature of FKK relationships is much more honest and real than the pretence in "normal" life that everything is lasting and important.
Slightly different - one worker I know well says she meets nicer, more honest men than she ever met in a series of high powered jobs, where nearly all were self-interested, unreliable, inscure, unimaginative etc etc.
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This is flying pretty close to the edge of the reality envelope, if I might say so. In my world it is a tough job keeping abreast (so to speak) with who is zooming who. Without telling tales out of school, in My World it's important to remember which days the mistresses of various producers are around at a Party Conference and which the wives: which girlfriend is on holiday with which journalist, so we know what fibs to tell the other girlfriends: keep mum about who were responsible for the white stains on the snooker table cloth: console the colleague who suffered the nightmare of being on a foreign trip to find not just his mistress, but his wife and her lover also on the invite list: show manly understanding for the colleague dressed down by his editor for flirting with the editor's mistress: sigh at the plight of a colleague who's ditched mistress turned up as a nun (underneath were stockings and a garter belt) at a party to he took his wife too. And so on and so forth...so My World is full of very normal and genuine passions, obessions, uncontrolled desires, jealousies - all, I mean all, absent in an FKK Club.
...all women at an FKK club are like women the world over. They gossip and ***** about each other, even more so giving the naked competition to hook a man...
..they all treat you with respect because they want your money. Some treat you with respect because they like you...after you have paid them. Let us not delude ourselves with this respect stuff.
..I would not begin to say which of these worlds is the more real and honest. This is like comparing apples with oranges.
...the men who by and large you find in an FKK clubs are, what a surprise, just those unreliable, self-interested, dick-driven, out of condition, pale, flabby, unimaginative men you meet everyday.
If Shiatsu is suffering from an addiction we should all help him, or is he simply overdosing on FKK women!
Now that I think about it, I have sometimes met women who have cold hands, feet, etc.. but who are very warm inside. The contrast in temperatures is interesting.
I used to see a Hungarian woman there, Michelle, and so I am sitting by her side within minutes and soon enough we are generating heat on the couch and later in the bedroom.
Jackyo,
but you knew your Michelle from before, right? You explained the contrast in internal and external temperature yourself. Cold room during winter. What would you do if for the first time meeting an attractive woman, with cold limbs, in the summer? You wouldn't gamble unless your options were limited, would you? I know I wouldn't.
My guess is there is some sort of equilibrium, so that internal and external temperature is the same, unless something has disturbed this equilibrium. The cold room in your case. When no obvious external source of cold can be found, the only option left is low internal temperature.
I am in Mainz and thought I was close to Oase FKK but it looks like it is 50Km away. Is it that far and is there one (Palace?) which is closer?
Would appreciate a local's insight on this. I am a senior contributor on the USA board and will post here anything/everything useful I find during my trip.
Thanks!
For what it is worth (and for the sake of generating your responses), below are the results of a short survey which was recently held on clubs voted as the best by German hobbyists elsewhere on the Internet.
Gold: Hof (7), GT (3), PHG (3), Samya (2), Harem (1), Freude 39 (1), Artemis (1) = 18 votes total
Silver: GT (4), PHG (2), Samya (2), Hof (1), World (1), Palace (1), Blue Note (1), Cola (1) = 13 votes total
Bronze: GT (3), Palace (3), World (2), Oase (2), Artemis (1), FKK Villa (1) = 12 votes total
(I wanted to this in a table form but the format was always off after I uploaded it).
In a couple of instances, some guys listed the Hof (Bernds) for gold, silver and bronze. I did not count those votes. Others stopped at their nomination for gold and did not name a silver or bronze. One guy gave the gold to PHG and to Goldentime - this I counted as being a gold for each.
Note the mention of Freude 39, a Red Carpet Club. Clubs outside of the axis of NRW and Hessen are listed too: Harem in Bad Lippspringe, Artemis in Berlin, FKK-Villa in Hannover and Cola in Augsburg.
From my experience the locals have much different criteria from non-locals as to their club preferences.
It may have to do with their living there 24/7/365, also with their having sometimes longer histories with certain clubs and being there more often. One might argue they are more discriminating.
Their preferences for women are also a little different from those of tourists. I've had discussions with them at clubs and they will give a woman more points for service than they will for looks. There is a real risk in booking a session with an Optikfick and not getting anything out of it - this is something newbies usually have no awareness of.
In the end, different strokes for different folks.
For the record, my current personal favorites are the Hof, Cocoon and Heavensgate in that order. My previous favorites were the Hof, Babylon and Wiago but I am not returning to the latter two until I read better reports.
(I should mention that I stuck with Babylon and Wiago even as they were past their prime.)
I am hoping that Wildenrath will make a comeback sometime. When it does, it will come between the Hof and Cocoon assuming it is as good as it used to be. I consider Cocoon and Heavensgate very comparable and amongst the best from a Preis-Leistungsverhaeltnis standpoint.
I am in Mainz and thought I was close to Oase FKK but it looks like it is 50Km away. Is it that far and is there one (Palace?) which is closer?
Would appreciate a local's insight on this. I am a senior contributor on the USA board and will post here anything/everything useful I find during my trip.
Thanks!
Go the nearest bookstore or magazine store and find a Stadtatlas which covers the Frankfurt area.
Or if you want, visit www.stadtplandienst.de and enter the adresses of the clubs you are interested in.
One piece of information you don't provide is whether you have a car or access to one.
Palace is in the city. Oase further to the north near Bad Homburg. World is also to the north in the direction of Giessen. Best to have use of a car for the latter two.
Or.. if you have been reading the threads in this section, you can find your way to the "Aldi" in Dietzenbach near the airport. :-)
Or.. there is an apartment bordello in Wiesbaden according to Figgerus:
"Als Wohnungsetablissement empfehle ich Dir www.sugarbabe-wiesbaden.de. Im Besonderen dort Pia, Lily und Ronja."
Fazit: he recommends Sugarbabe, particularly the three women named above.
Don't believe anyone on this forum has reviewed Sugarbabe yet so you would be adding to our inventory of knowledge. Just a suggestion.
I've made a round trip dash between Mainz and World recently and it was a hair over 1 hour each direction with clear traffic, no Stau.
I reckon Oase is about 35 to 40 minutes, provided you have your own car.
From my experience the locals have much different criteria from non-locals as to their club preferences.
It may have to do with their living there 24/7/365, also with their having sometimes longer histories with certain clubs and being there more often. One might argue they are more discriminating.
Their preferences for women are also a little different from those of tourists. I've had discussions with them at clubs and they will give a woman more points for service than they will for looks. There is a real risk in booking a session with an Optikfick and not getting anything out of it - this is something newbies usually have no awareness of.
Interesting results. Since locals, are very loyal to their favorite local club, it would be important to know the home region of the survey responders, as the results are heavily skewed to clubs north of Bonn/ NRW clubs.
I would guess that if we posted the same survey here, the Hessen 3 would receive the majority of the voting.
Interesting results. Since locals, are very loyal to their favorite local club, it would be important to know the home region of the survey responders, as the results are heavily skewed to clubs north of Bonn/ NRW clubs. I would guess that if we posted the same survey here, the Hessen 3 would receive the majority of the voting.
I would imagine the Hessen 3 would appear highest on a survey here too as they are the ones most mentioned here overall.
It would have something to do with the demographic of this group probably being more non-resident than resident and that most non-residents will land in Frankfurt and sometimes that is as far as they will go.
(A bit of trivia. There are 18 million people in NRW - it is Germany's most populous Bundesland. There are 6 million people who live in Hessen. It only stands to reason that there would be more activity in NRW than in Hessen.)
Also, the experience factor of the residents is quite different from that of the general experience level of reporters on this forum. The most interesting reports we get on this section of the forum are from newbies.
I've been asking myself a question and it is: for all of the buzz we generate for the "on-the-beaten-path" clubs, wouldn't it be more beneficial to the forum overall if we encouraged more independent exploration of the less mentioned clubs?
If you've noticed I've been very responsive lately to newbie questions concerning how to get somewhere, what is recommended, etc.. but at the end I've also injected mention of clubs which are off the beaten path.
I'm willing to provide this service but I would think the objective of this forum would be to expand our knowledge base and so newbie scouting reports to the unexplored would be an acceptable tit-for-tat arrangement.
On trips I take I always make sure I have a mix of clubs I've done before and have had a good experience with, clubs I've had not so good experiences with but want to give a second chance to as well as clubs I've never been to.
I only started visiting PTs last year but when I did get started I made sure I visited the ones most mentioned in the German forums. I did a quick search on this forum and nobody had been to PT Dorsten before the beginning of this year - and look at how often it is mentioned now.
Predictability is good to a certain degree but sometimes you have to take a chance.
We've had no reports on Red Carpet Clubs here lately, for example. There are guys on the German forums who still visit Red Carpets and its for that chance that they unearth a diamond in the rough. Yeah, I know. Most guys are dismissive of the Red Carpets.
Wasn't it Ralph Waldo Emerson who said: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"?
The contrarian in me also sometimes processes the information I read here and elsewhere and takes the point of view that what is written can't be right and that I need to experience it myself to form my own opinion.
I stuck with Babylon and Wiago for the longest time even after guys were writing that they weren't worth visiting anymore. It took getting ripped off at Babylon once to convince me that it was time to give up visiting. I am, however, willing to return should someone write a favorable report.
I apoligize for this, I definitely don't want to sound negative, break up our dreams and crash against the hard reality of the risks of mongering. But it was the second time I found the same information on two different local forums within the same week.
A Dutch guy has reported catching a Gonoroe at Goldentime on 7th of September. He had DATY, BBBJ and BBPR (Bare back Pussy Rubbing) and CFS with 3 girls. He gave the name of the three girls on the forum, but the moderator deleted it. He had informed management of the club too.
A French guy has reported catching a Gonoroe at Goldentime on 19th of September. He had been with 5 girls and remembered 3 of them. He had only BBBJ and CFS with them. He informed also the management of the club.
Both did not blame the club, neither the girls, they agree that Gonoroe or Chlamydia is a risk of mongering they need to accept when BBBJ, DATY or BBPR (or whatever you might call this). We are not talking here about AIDS, but about STD that are easily cured with antibiotics. It's mainly a personal problem at home rather than a serious medical problem.
I felt concerned, as I was at Goldentime too early September, even if I was not been with any of the listed girls. I'm against blacklisting girls for that, so I will not give the names too on this forum. Untill now, the risk seemed small to me as I had never read before anyone reporting this. Well, now we all now, the risk might be small but definitely exists.
Felipe2006
09-26-06, 16:41
Thanks for the warning. Which are the local forums - can you give me a hint?
Felipe
I've been asking myself a question and it is: for all of the buzz we generate for the "on-the-beaten-path" clubs, wouldn't it be more beneficial to the forum overall if we encouraged more independent exploration of the less mentioned clubs?
...but this forum basically serves as an aggregator of accumulated experiences. It's far less daunting for a newbie or even a regular visitor to check here first so as to maximize the chances for a positive experience during the limited time that he has. You and some of the other posters here, who can regularly take time to visit clubs, are in the minority. When I fly in it's either for 1-2 days of hectic meetings followed by dinner, drinks, etc. or for a quick stopover on the way to or from Asia or the Middle East.
On the other hand, you could map out clubs that need to be visited because they're new, have had a change of management, renovation, an SP restocking or just hasn't had a report in some time, and hand out HW assignments, a sort of work rotation :-)
If you've noticed I've been very responsive lately to newbie questions concerning how to get somewhere, what is recommended, etc.. but at the end I've also injected mention of clubs which are off the beaten path.
I'm willing to provide this service but I would think the objective of this forum would be to expand our knowledge base and so newbie scouting reports to the unexplored would be an acceptable tit-for-tat arrangement.
That's an idea- we could hold off answering a newbie's questions until he's completed his "assignment". Then again, wouldn't you want the report to be done by someone who has a history, so that you can gauge the veracity, reliability and objectivity of the content.
On trips I take I always make sure I have a mix of clubs I've done before and have had a good experience with, clubs I've had not so good experiences with but want to give a second chance to as well as clubs I've never been to.
I only started visiting PTs last year but when I did get started I made sure I visited the ones most mentioned in the German forums. I did a quick search on this forum and nobody had been to PT Dorsten before the beginning of this year - and look at how often it is mentioned now.
Predictability is good to a certain degree but sometimes you have to take a chance.
With the limited time that I have in DE, I want some predictability and don't want to waste a precious free evening travelling to a small club in the woods, unless I know with a fair degree of certainty that it'll be a good experience. There have been times, when I've taken one for the team and gone where others haven't been before, but motly, I try to mix in my regular haunts, with clubs that I haven't visited for some time, and split my time between swinger clubs, PT's and FKK's. So much sex out there and so little time.
I've been to many of the NRW PT's over the years as well as Beverly, and had dropped Dorsten off my list until the reports here began building it up.
We've had no reports on Red Carpet Clubs here lately, for example. There are guys on the German forums who still visit Red Carpets and its for that chance that they unearth a diamond in the rough. Yeah, I know. Most guys are dismissive of the Red Carpets.
Wasn't it Ralph Waldo Emerson who said: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"?
Yes, but he also has said: "A great part of courage is the courage of having done the thing before."
Jackyo,
I agree with most of what you said. I often try to go to clubs that are new to me. Often I end up amazed at what I find.
The most interesting reports we get on this section of the forum are from newbies.
This statement, however, is flat out wrong. There are plenty of senior members who have made invaluable contributions and written long, informative, in some cases authoritative, and in most cases entertaining reports. I try to list the (IMHO) best ones on the "Distinction" thread, and there are many many experienced mongerers listed there.
I've been asking myself a question and it is: for all of the buzz we generate for the "on-the-beaten-path" clubs, wouldn't it be more beneficial to the forum overall if we encouraged more independent exploration of the less mentioned clubs?
Some of us do this. I think I was the first one to write about CoLA, and this was a great find. (I also was the first one to write about FKKW on my previous board, but this does not count here.) For some of us it's a metter ofpride to find a new club and give a detailed report about it. Senior members or newbies, no difference.
The best source for driving directions and maps on the net is the viamichellin site. They are available in several languages and are quite explicit in their driving directions as well as distance and time. They even give the approximate cost for gas. The maps are interactive which let you zoom in on an area. The maps which I printed out saved me alot of time on my last trip to GT and the ETAP in Willich.
this statement, however, is flat out wrong. there are plenty of senior members who have made invaluable contributions and written long, informative, in some cases authoritative, and in most cases entertaining reports. i try to list the (imho) best ones on the "distinction" thread, and there are many many experienced mongerers listed there.
... because they usually have a sense of awe which is entertaining. its like they have just experienced a revelation of sorts - one which can lead to serious addiction.
it only happens once so capturing that moment is priceless (i know i'm sounding like a kodak commercial).
i am still in awe when i visit a club but its i have been at this for a while and have several points of reference for describing a good experience versus a bad one.
a newbie sometimes has no point of reference and will usually go into more detail about a session (at least more than i would).
having said that, one has to also take their information with a grain of salt. one man's gfe is not the same as anothers.
it might be interesting to do a survey to find out what elements we look for in a gfe. i think we'll find a range of elements, likes and dislikes.
my pet peeve is that she stands up within two minutes of me coming and starts to make the bed. no matter how good she was until that point, if she gets up and hurries me out of the room, i'm instantly turned off by her professionalism. when i was new at this, i wouldn't pay attention to what she did after i came.
if she doesn't kiss, i find also her approach too professional. (granted that some women have dental work which does not encourage kissing.)
one reason why i liked the babylon and wiago clubs was that your session had actually three parts: the preliminaries on the couch, the session itself in the room and then the post-session again on the couch.
you would both leave the room and wash up after doing the nasty deed and when you made your way back to the kontaktzimmer, she would come to you, bring you something to drink if you wanted and sit with you. if things were slow, you could chat (this assumes you have some conversational skills and can communicate with her, mostly in german), have some physical contact.
if the stimmung was right and the juices were flowing again you could book a follow up session to continue the interaction. it was close to like spending an afternoon or evening with a girlfriend almost without any time limits.
picture yourself on a couch with a nude woman draped over you while you nonchalantly make small talk.
a couple of years ago they dropped the post-session. these were the only clubs i am aware of of which had post-sessions. even the mighty bernds never offered them.
all the girls kissed, were always nude except for footwear and had very few restrictions. and at their prime, you could not go wrong at these clubs. the owner practiced a clear editorial point of view and selected who worked there, enforced a strict service orientation.
it took getting ripped off once for me to drop these clubs from my list.
if you understand that my expectations for a club visit were set by this experience, clubs which don't offer couch preliminaries and post-session interactions provide a less than satisfactory experience in my mind.
nowadays only a handful of clubs offer couch preliminaries. none offer post-session interactions (by this i mean as part of their standard service offering). and kissing is becoming more and more non-standard.
combine this with having to watch out for burn 'em and churn 'em girls and you have to ask yourself whether we are facing the decline of civilization.
A Dutch guy has reported catching a Gonoroe at Goldentime on 7th of September. He had DATY, BBBJ and BBPR (Bare back Pussy Rubbing) and CFS with 3 girls. He gave the name of the three girls on the forum, but the moderator deleted it. He had informed management of the club too.
And I thought I was the only one!
Now I know better.
I also now know I need to watch out for this.
bbpr will land you with hpv or herpes in time. hpv can be pretty easy to explain if you are in a relationship, because almost everyone has it and you can claim it was years old. herpes would be a bit tougher.
the only std i have ever had is gonnorhea and i got it in babylon a bunch of years ago. it made me quit going to clubs for about 5 months, and then only getting cbj's for about another 6 months. my doctor informed me clearly that you can get gonnorhea from blowjobs (the excuse i used was a bj during carnival). the virus can be stored and transmitted from the back of the throat.
there are two main problems that i see.
1) a lot of mongers travel, and although normal strains of gonnorhea are easily treated with a wide spectrum anti-biotic like cipro, there are strains in places like thailand which supposedly are very tough to get rid of. since there are more than a couple of mongers who hobby in germany and thailand and brazil the chances that a worse strain might be transmitted ot the girls via cim or even bbfs is likely. pick one of these up and you might be spending some time going from the doctoras to the pharmacists and have a bunch of medical bills that are tough to explain.
2) since a lot of guys in clubs have multiple sessions (as most of us do) the chances that in a closed environment like one club a couple of girls have whatever is going around is almost as likely as an elementary school class all getting the same cold at the same time.
you should also know that the incubation period for gonnorhea is also about 2 weeks, and the first signs are emmissions form the penis. i thought it was a wet dream when i had it. the test is a swab test, but apparently it needs to be done before you [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in the morning. i never got the test done to see which strain it might be, i just started the cipro and it was gone pretty soon, and it was lucky because i went on a very romantic vacation with the gf about 11 days after the onset, and explainign condoms then would have been tough.
i also know that for a while about 2 years ago i saw 3 or 4 girls in phg with pretty obvious herpes blisters. i was unhappy about the reaction of the club when i reported it to the management, and it lead to me avoiding the club for about 8 months, and being really careful to check out womens privates as best i could before diving in.
this hobby is not risk free....i think the risks of actual life threatening things like syphillis or aids are pretty miniscule, but you might want to avoid the club, go for cbj, or allow yourself a self incubation period between club visits and private sex for a while.
i wish clubs would take this more seriously. no reason for a real blacklist, but if i see a girl in the club after being very clear about knowing that she has a disease i am woried about the spread.
and do not think there are mandatory std tests, there are not....in no club!
that being said i still monger, and still go for bbbj, and i am in a real relationship.
i would be careful with the bbpr though...i know it is very popular in bernds, but it is not really high on my priority list.
And do not think there are mandatory STD tests, there are not....in no club!
Hey Peter,
Please explain this one. I was under the impression that this was mandatory for all registered sex-workers in Germany.
Cheers,
Dedalus
I am glad that there has been a warnng about Goldentime.
Unfortunately, since the girls are not named, they may not be blacklisted, but the effect is, that the whole club is "blacklisted".
The STD warning without names is of no use at all I am afraid. What does one do except not go there? Even that is of no use, because the girls can go to another club.
I would personally name names or say actually nothing.
Hey Peter,
Please explain this one. I was under the impression that this was mandatory for all registered sex-workers in Germany.
Cheers,
DedalusHi Ded,
The compulsory registration and testing was abandoned in 2001 but free testing has been made available to everyone, including illegal immigrants. Some brothel operators require them. As FKK workers are independent and not actual brothels in the literal meaning, they can't really enforce them as the girls are not working for the club. Most of them however put "pressure" on the girls to have them (meaning they do not get to work there if they do not have them).
I would think GT would be one of the clubs "pressuring" for the tests, but I am not sure. They do at least try to monitor the hygenie habits of the girls and will warn them if they do not do proper clean-up in between sessions. This is absolutely not the case at Oase (how in the hell could Sunny work there if it was) and I think it is not the case at World (which explains the smell of Daniela's pussy and armpits after few romps).
Chivaz
Mike,
I could name the girl at Babylon who gave me G, but that was because it was the only session I had on that day and the only session I had in any way in a 2 week time frame...and she said she was taking anti-biotics during the session...I thought for something non sex related.
But in the cases Routard mentions there were multiple girls and no way of knowing which one it is.
What standard do you guys want from STD tests? The percentage of girls wiht HPV and Chlamydia must be VERY high. It is among non sex workers. What about Herpes, if you have 1 or 2, are you supposed ot never work again? Or only when you have a break out, but you start shedding usually 3-4 days before noticeable blisters develop. So how is this test supposed to work?
Of course HIV and Syphillis are on an index in Germany and if you are tested positive you are put on a list, and then you won't be working....but what about th elesser STD's like Gonnorhea and such? During Incubation you can transmit, and how long should the girls be out of the game.
And my personal advice woudl be to avoid a club wiht multiple reports, at least for a month for it to get a bit quarantined. Either that or go for CBJ while you are there.
And Chivaz is right. It is no longer mandatory, as it was not enforceable and innefective. And since FKK's are not brothels and the girls are not employed by the club they cannot force the women to have tests.
As Peter says we have to accept some risk. Given the asymptomatic nature in women of some of the "minor" STDs. they could be tested every 3 months and could still be infectious for almost 12 weeks!
Also it's not just the girls who are the issue - the clients also are spreading infection (i.e. clients who may be symptomless or who are not a responsible). Even syphilis symptoms can be missed in the early stages (so I read)
Personally I would be more worried about TB than gonorrhea.
...The percentage of girls wiht HPV and Chlamydia must be VERY high. It is among non sex workers... For what its worth, studies in Germany have actually shown that the rate of infection amongst prostitutes is lower than that of comparible group of non-prostitutes (similar age and marital status). So are you less likely to catch STD in FKK than outside? Well, if you find yourself in a situation where you can fuck 3 or more non working girls in a single day, then I guess you are better off in a FKK.
Chivaz
Unfortunately, since the girls are not named, they may not be blacklisted, but the effect is, that the whole club is "blacklisted".
The STD warning without names is of no use at all I am afraid. What does one do except not go there? Even that is of no use, because the girls can go to another club.
I would personally name names or say actually nothing.
The warning is not against specific girls, neither against a club. It's a warning against STD, exactly like I wrote it on the title. I knew there was a theoretical risk of catching STD through BBBJ or DATY, but as I had never seen anyone reporting about it, I believed it was a theoretical risk that scientists could not deny but most unlikely to happen for real. Well, now I know it happens for real and not only one time! If you knew this already, then my warning was indeed of no use for you, but might be usefull for others like it was for me.
We know that DATY or BBBJ is safe regarding HIV and not regarding STD. As it is not life threatening, anyone is free to take the risk or not, as long as he has been informed about it. And that's exactly the problem, evaluating the risk. As no one can come up with the % of girls from a given population like a FKK having a specific STD and the % of chance to transmit it through either BBBJ or DATY, there is no other way than getting an idea through statistics from reported STD on a given population of FKK visitors like ourselves.:confused: I know, it doesn't sound very clear, but you get the idea.
I was reluctant giving the info as I knew some might take the wrong conclusions. Blacklisting a girl or a club is useless. She has already been informed, is probably already cured and tomorrow it's another girl in another club that might have catched it from a customer that had catched it in GT from the first girl. And blacklisting the five girls of the guy's list as only one has given him the STD is not only useless but inethic.
And then I have my personal reasons. I believe that it's not because we are mongerers that we should not behave like gentlemen. As a rule I wil never give the name of a girl if I need to report someting negative about her.
I have not this rule about the clubs, so I named GT. And GT is still one of my favorite club. It might change if it's each time the same club that is reported with STD warnings. If I was the management of the club, I would take strong action against STD as it might kill the business even faster than the epidemic itself.
Hi,
It sounds like Hof is a great choice, however, I can't figure out how to get there. I am in Mainz, with no car (need taxi or train) and don't speak German.
Would love to insight on how to get to Hof and what to expect (protocol, etc).
I am a babe in the woods here, but I would be *very* happy to reciprocate with information regarding just about anywhere in the U.S.
I got back from a few days of mongering and am suffering from Fkk disease. I find myself staring at the women at work when they walk by and thinking they are in the nude, or at least wondering what they would look like without their clothes. Reports soon in the various forums.
I was in Frankfurt the last week with another mongering friend of mine and had a great time. I spent a week rotating between Oase, World and Palace. This was my second time going to Germany to specifically visit FKK's and I would like to share some of my general observations of the clubs.
Disclaimer---these are my opinions---feel free to disagree!
Oase
This is by far my favorite club. I found that the girls in general were more friendly and did not harrass the heck out of you if you did not want a session. The girls where never rude or make sarcastic remarks if you declined a session with them.
The gems that I did find were all GFE and provided excellent service. I did not have 1 bad session here.
Palace
There are a lot of quality women in this place, BUT a lot of churn and burn. There is a T.V. Show in Canada Called "this hour has fourty minutes" I found that the title of Palace should be "This half hour has twenty minutes". I really disliked the Romanian Contingency there. I found that they were aggressive outside but a 5/10 in the rooms. Also around 11 PM the clubs get so packed that there are not enough avaliable rooms and you end up waiting most of the time. My friend was also ripped off there for time.Parking is also a ***** unless you get there in the afternoon. Most of the girls which I had sessions with where OK but they really wanted to be done and once you spermed you were shown the door, no kissing or hugging afterwards. Again the staff here sucked and I thought were borderline rude.
Funny story about Lina (Czech Rep): As I was about to CIM she went to the lights to turn it up "so you can get a good look of your sperm shooting in my mouth" I though that was a nice touch!
World
The facilities are by far the best of the three but I found the talent really lacking in comparison to my last visit. The one thing I did notice was there was a lot more public sex than the other 2 clubs and it was really interesting seeing a 60 year old man getting blown and fucked in the middle of the dance floor with everyone watching!
I was there twice during the week and only had sessions with 2 people (which was good).
In general of the three clubs:
Best providers: Polish, Ukriane, Russian
I found that any session with these EE ladies was 10/10, service with a smile and the best BBBJ of all the girls. They make you feel like they are really in love with you! Makes you want to fly to Poland/Ukriane/Russia to find a wife! LOL
Tempermental Providers: Romanian
For some reason I found them in general to be grumpy (for example--Anka now at Oase), and rushers in the room. Had 3 sessions and only one I thought was decent (Elise----Palace). I just think that most of the romanians do not want to be there.
General notes:
I don't know how these girls do it but I observed one girl doing about 10 guys in 7 hours. Don't they get sore?
I really enjoyed going this second time around and it was a lot of fun going with a friend to discuss the girls. At times after we had a session we would compare notes and then get the girl who the other had sessioned with. I highly recommend going with friends to further enjoy the experience.
I was wondering if any of the girls would remember me from 6 months ago and suprise, suprise quite a few ladies did remember me. I was quite impressed by this.
I am also suprised that some of the ladies were still there after 6 months. I thought that the girls only do this for a few months only.
I was also suprised by the number of married females in the FKK clubs. I don't ask the females about their personal life but I'm assuming that it is done for citizenship reasons.
Lastly, while flying back home it made me realise how people in North America have it good and after hearing some of the stories of the ladies in the EE countries (no, they were not any girls which I had sessions with) that things are indeed good here in North America and things are still quite messed up in the EE countries.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Hi,
It sounds like Hof is a great choice, however, I can't figure out how to get there. I am in Mainz, with no car (need taxi or train) and don't speak German.
Would love to insight on how to get to Hof and what to expect (protocol, etc).
I am a babe in the woods here, but I would be *very* happy to reciprocate with information regarding just about anywhere in the U.S.
.. but if you visit the Hof thread there already is a bit of information on how to get there without a car. There are also numerous reports on what to expect, how to act.
One reason why you may be confused is that the Hof or the Schieferhof is another name for Bernds Sauna Club.
It has its own thread on this forum: FKK Bernds (Schieferhof).
Taking Iseeu's suggestion on making a list of clubs we are lacking information on, here is a partial list of clubs which a) haven't been reported on, b) have not been reported on often enough.
There are no guarantees that these clubs are good or even worth visiting but someone among us may have already been and would save us the trouble. Or the spirit of adventure might seize you and you might decide to go.
Suggestions on clubs to add to this list are welcome.
PT Osnabrueck
La Bedo in Duesseldorf
Traum-Paradies in Koeln
Atrium
Calygula in Hennef
Colonia in Pulheim-Brauweiler
Amnesia
Ali Baba in Wuppertal
Atlantica
Sudbad in Koeln
Babylon and Wiago (new management or ownership)
Ying Yang in Holland
The new FKK in Belgien (Ritz or something like that)
FKK Osnabrueck Wallenhorst
FKK Muenster
Finca Erotica in Dierdorf
La Folie in Berlin
Harem in Bad Lippspringe
Sudfass Oase in Pasing
Red Carpet Clubs (Yeah, I know. But these clubs have their fans too.)
Wohnungspuff in Herford (I was in the area once and drove by but it was closed - described to me as a "genialer Wohnungspuff")
I have to admit I don't know much about clubs south of the Weisswurstaequator.
Reports from newbies are most welcome!
In some cases I can take German content and translate it but I don't always have time to do that.
Jackyo,
The Belgian and Dutch FKK are not in the German FKK thread, but both have been reported, as well as Bada Bing.
FKK Relax
Here a complete report I made 2 weeks ago about FKK Relax in Belgium:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=506071&postcount=45
Hollandmale made one too:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=505154&postcount=65
As well as Kingweslas:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=511831&postcount=72
Ying Yang
I made just one quick visit:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=352062&postcount=5
But Hollandmale has more experience here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=505160&postcount=24
Bada Bing
My reports are already old:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=336442&postcount=29
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=349220&postcount=33
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=349220&postcount=33
But here another one:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=429278&postcount=7
Taking Iseeu's suggestion on making a list of clubs we are lacking information on, here is a partial list of clubs which a) haven't been reported on, b) have not been reported on often enough.
Suggestions on clubs to add to this list are welcome.
Hey Jackyo,
The one that I am interested in is the relatively new FKK in the Frankfurt Bahnhofviertel called "Miami". I know the address (Moselstr. 44). And there is also a Tel. Number (069/26957992) but beyond that I am clueless. I have heard that Anita and a few other former Malibu girls have set up shop there ;-))))
Cheers,
Dedalus
and other parts!
A belated reply to Marlow who replied to a post of mine a few days ago while I was ensconsed in World. We have been having some PM correspondence.
He made one point to me which was very telling - that money concentrates the commitment in sex at an FKK which is hard to do in daily relationship. Very true
I don't however see the boundary between the FKK world and the rest of the world. Both are transient and it doesn't do to take either too seriously or be absorbed in the illusions
I know this is not Info but rumination, but I hope it is not just hot air out of a ruminant's arse:-)
Hey Shiatsu,
I personally have been exploring the relationship between pain and pleasure.
I don't mean this in an S&M way but rather as regards a couple of compromises:
a) coming is enjoyable but coming too often in a short period of time can be painful and not good for your health.
b) booking a session with an FKK woman is pleasurable but turning over piles of money if you are addicted to her is not pleasurable when the reality sets in.
In either case, its a matter of marshalling scarce resources (bodily fluids, money, time) and converting them into pleasure.
FKK pleasure is unfortunately not a lasting pleasure. I don't think anyone has figured out how to do that. And it does not extend into the real world.
A propos, I've heard that Sting is so into yoga and meditation, he has found a way to have an eight hour orgasm as he has total body control.
The alternative is to find a life partner who can either extend your pleasure or make it a living hell or who might actually achieve both.
Having had this internal discussion going on within me for a while, finding Partytreffs was a revelation.
For once, there was no internal discussion going on inside me about how each session was costing me something.
All that remained was an internal discussion about who amongst the women to go with and with whom I would come (as bodily fluids are the only resource which still remain in short supply).
A propos, I've heard that Sting is so into yoga and meditation, he has found a way to have an eight hour orgasm as he has total body control.
Nothing against Sting and not to be too cynical, but as they say back where I come from "I'll squat over that one till it grows roses."
Cheers,
Dedalus, who admittedly is a little cynical.
Hey Shiatsu,
In either case, its a matter of marshalling scarce resources (bodily fluids, money, time) and converting them into pleasure.
Having had this internal discussion going on within me for a while, finding Partytreffs was a revelation.
For once, there was no internal discussion going on inside me about how each session was costing me something.
All that remained was an internal discussion about who amongst the women to go with and with whom I would come (as bodily fluids are the only resource which still remain in short supply).
Jackyo,
Sometimes it is nice at discount places like Heavens Gate to know that each session is not costing so much that it breaks the bank. The downside is 20 minute sessions without warmup on the couch means you have to focus more.
Either way you are right about converting time and money into pleasure. It changes from time to time so the activity may have to be changed to fit the present need.
Shiatsu, apprecite your sage wisdom here to keep focus on FKK and the other world. Both are built on a measure of illusion and reality shifts around as circumstances change.
I am not sure about an 8 hour orgasim. The nerve endings are sending messages at an incredible rate and at some point they will just give up and the pleasure will turn to pain. I don't think there are many women that could take 8 hours of action.
Bob
Bob
If anyone wants I've got Qigong books about how to breathe and concentrate so you can recycle any orgasm. The purpose is to retain Essence and to develop longevity. There is absolutely absolutely no question of enjoying it in an everyday sense. It takes years of practice. I think I'm probably going to take 300 years to achieve it - slight logistical problem there :-)
I was thinking of running a survey to figure out which clubs are our favorite clubs but then realized that we have already voted in the sense that all I needed to do was take the number of reports statistic in the right hand column of the main page and use that as a proxy for votes.
Presumably, the clubs with the most reports are also our favorite clubs.
The medals (as of this AM) go to:
Gold to World with 1,648 reports
Silver to Palace with 1,274 reports
Bronze to Oase with 1,092 reports
All of these clubs are in Hessen.
The "other FKK club" category had 1,085 reports, just below Oase.
oase: this is by far my favorite club. i found that the girls in general were more friendly and did not harrass the heck out of you if you did not want a session. the girls where never rude or make sarcastic remarks if you declined a session with them.
the gems that i did find were all gfe and provided excellent service. i did not have 1 bad session here.
of this selection of clubs you visited, this is my favorite club too.
palace: most of the girls which i had sessions with where ok but they really wanted to be done and once you spermed you were shown the door, no kissing or hugging afterwards.
this is my pet peeve and i am glad i'm not the only one who finds this offputting. i don't book multiple sessions with women who want to rush me out of the room. its the equivalent of "wham, bam, thank you, m'am." i look for a post-session transition which kind of takes advantage of the afterglow of sex and am extremely disappointed when there is none.
tempermental providers: romanian for some reason i found them in general to be grumpy (for example--anka now at oase), and rushers in the room. had 3 sessions and only one i thought was decent (elise----palace). i just think that most of the romanians do not want to be there.
i've had very variable experiences with rumanians and am not a big fan either.
i don't know how these girls do it but i observed one girl doing about 10 guys in 7 hours. don't they get sore?
pt girls have multiple sessions in an hour so 10 in 7 hours pales in comparison.
i was also suprised by the number of married females in the fkk clubs. i don't ask the females about their personal life but i'm assuming that it is done for citizenship reasons.
these are relationships, in quotes, particularly if they are foreign women. most of these so-called husbands have an economic motivation too, by the way, but let's not go there.
These are relationships, in quotes, particularly if they are foreign women. Most of these so-called husbands have an economic motivation too, by the way, but let's not go there.Yeah, I know apparantly the "husbands" get paid to marry them. I had a long chat with a girl at the FKK club about this. She also has a boyfriend back at home where she is from and she is married at the same time to a German. Who knows but perhaps she could be lying but I never paid a session with her and there was no reason for her to tell me this to entice a session out of me. It was quite an interesting chat with her.
It is rare to hear stuff like this in North America. Also the trials and tribulations she had getting out of her country to make some money for her family was quite admirable. Again she never asked me if I wanted a session or bothered me later on for a session, just a sweet girl in general.
In retrospect perhaps I could have sessioned with her to "help her out" but I physically wasn't attracted to her and she understood this.
Maybe I will session with her when I go back in the spring/07 to hit the Big Three and Bernd's! LOL
Can you active your private messaging? Thanks!
Jacko:
PM'ing is a paid service now. Thus I don't have it yet. I did have PM'ing up to 2 weeks ago before they took it away from me.
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Hi Eagle 5,
1. With all due respect, I posted a notice on the forum for 6 months AND sent out three seperate emails advising everyone that the PM system was going to be a subscription member feature.
2. A Forum Subscription costs less than a .50 cent newspaper once a week.
3. If you purchase a subscription you will be able to recover your existing PMs.
Thanks,
Jackson
Was watching the miss World contest live from Poland this evening, and I have got to say that there are a fair amount of FKK girls up to that level of beauty in the various FKK clubs.
So for any guys who have never been to an FKK club, you can really expect some serious hotties, many that really are up to Miss World levels of beauty.
Miss Cayman Islands was my favourite http://www.missworld.tv/bio/bio.sps?iBiographyID=92237
I was thinking of running a survey to figure out which clubs are our favorite clubs but then realized that we have already voted in the sense that all I needed to do was take the number of reports statistic in the right hand column of the main page and use that as a proxy for votes.
Presumably, the clubs with the most reports are also our favorite clubs.
The medals (as of this AM) go to:
Gold to World with 1,648 reports
Silver to Palace with 1,274 reports
Bronze to Oase with 1,092 reports
All of these clubs are in Hessen.
The "other FKK club" category had 1,085 reports, just below Oase.
are statistically skewed. A club that's really bad would also generate alot of reports! So would a club that makes alot of changes, is inconsistent, or has legal/business problems.
Once there is a report that generates a discussion the amount of posts can grow exponentially and not because of new unique posts which were generated by new unique experiences.
A forum of this kind serves a neighborhood pub with guys running to report positively on their prowess, and "success". Sometimes, and we all know of cases like this, the posts are suspect.
Also, some of us, who have other things going on in their non-mongering life, don't post on every club visit. I don't post unless something "report-worthy" happens, whether it's good or it's bad. I still and always have preferred Oase of the Hessen clubs, and one of the reasons is that I find that my experiences there are the most consistent from visit to visit. I have gone there many times without posting afterwards as just another post (WOW, lots of naked girls, she played with me, I DATY, we went to kino, then room , did doggie and mish, etc.) would seem incongruous.
What we shoud do, is get survey takers to wait outside the clubs with questionnaires and wait for guys on leaving, offering them espresso makers if they answer a few questions :-)
Obviously, these survey results... are statistically skewed.
The method I used is very unscientific and it measures more which clubs are getting all of the buzz, not necessarily which ones are the best.
World does a lot of advertising in the Frankfurt area hoping to capture the Messe crowd, for example.
Taking the other extreme, Bernds does no advertising and relies on word of mouth.
Relating this to a current discussion on the thread about Bernds, I am perfectly willing to let these results stand as they are.
That way all of the ISG traffic flows to Hessen leaving those of us in the know about the smaller clubs in NRW with a monopoly of those clubs and their women! :-)
Relating this to a current discussion on the thread about Bernds, I am perfectly willing to let these results stand as they are.
That way all of the ISG traffic flows to Hessen leaving those of us in the know about the smaller clubs in NRW with a monopoly of those clubs and their women! :-)
No argument from me!
Was watching the miss World contest live from Poland this evening, and I have got to say that there are a fair amount of FKK girls up to that level of beauty in the various FKK clubs.
I know exactly what you feel buddy,
Once back from an FKK trip, there is one week of remaining excitment, as memories or still alive and ISG reporting allows to extend the experience. Then there is some depressive period, desperately reading ISG, and remembering FKK through TV. Yesterday, I was watching TV too, hypnotised by a movie as the actress Kate Hudson had exactly the same face than Cuban Bani from FKK World. Check out by yourself: http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2004/touchstone/raisinghelen/images/kate4.jpg. Yes, some Hollywood actresses are nearly as hot as the FKK stars!
Last time, I watched also "Filhos do Carnaval" on HBO, a story about an influent Brazilian family in Rio de Janeiro. And when the men want to relax, they go to Terma Aeropuerto. Fascinating, I have never been to a Terma, but it reminded be exactly the FKK atmosphere. Do any of you know if there is any German movie showing an FKK from inside?
Routard, who is suffering from his addiction and needs to go back as soon as possible. :(
Taking Iseeu's suggestion on making a list of clubs we are lacking information on, here is a partial list of clubs which a) haven't been reported on, b) have not been reported on often enough.
There are no guarantees that these clubs are good or even worth visiting but someone among us may have already been and would save us the trouble. Or the spirit of adventure might seize you and you might decide to go.
Suggestions on clubs to add to this list are welcome.
Traum-Paradies in Koeln
Atrium
Calygula in Hennef
Ali Baba in Wuppertal
Ying Yang in Holland
La Folie in Berlin
Harem in Bad Lippspringe
Sudfass Oase in Pasing
Red Carpet Clubs (Yeah, I know. But these clubs have their fans too.)
I have to admit I don't know much about clubs south of the Weisswurstaequator.
Reports from newbies are most welcome!
In some cases I can take German content and translate it but I don't always have time to do that.
Traum-Paradies in Koeln
Have not been yet, but I know a girl working there, Nadja (Nadine form beind the counter at Wildenraths sister. all reports on the lcub in the german forum are glowing, almost every single one is, and it supposed ot be the best of the appartment places around.
Atrium
This si the new name for Tropicana in düsseldorf. I go there every now and again, and it is hit and miss, although in the meantime it looks pretty good. The rooms are a bit small, but the main room and the patio are quite nice. Sometimes the showers are a bit cold, and the changing room is a bit cramped. I have had amzing sessions, adn the girl I currently miss the most out of the business, Anna a beautiful Cuban used to be my long term booking ther. The prices change often, but usually they are about the 59€ 99€ 129€ method with no entry fee but 25€ in case you leave without going to the room, adn the sessions are in 20 min intervals.
Calygula in Hennef
Home club of some of the moderators of roemerforum in germany. small club but supposeldy very homey, but rarely more than 4-6 girls.
Ali Baba in Wuppertal
Belongs to the cocoon, Atrium people and was built specifically for the turkish guests, and for a while they were not being let into Atrium and Cocoon, but in the meantime many customers at Atrium are also turkish. Not a great club, and since the cocoon boss sort of left the country all of them have not been firing on all cylinders.
Ying Yang in Holland
Have been there twice,a dn it is nice from the inside and the pricing is decent, but for some reason it has not really taken off. A lot of the girls are known faces from PHG and Goldentime, and the service is about the same.
La Folie in Berlin
I love this place, but that is just me.....It has a low entrance fee and is naked for men too, well you get a towel that might just fit around shiatsu, but he is the only person I know who it might fit. The service is not quite FKK standard, but the atmosphere is sort of bernd'sy and typical berlin, adn the girls you find here tend to have the best german language skills int he business.
Harem in Bad Lippspringe
Has this place actually opened? The home page disappeared and it was supposed to replace ParkSchlossDali, which was a great place, but supposedly has been sold.
Sudfass Oase in Pasing
Sucks! Head to Colloseum in Augsburg or even up to Sylt in Nurenburg.
Red Carpet Clubs (Yeah, I know. But these clubs have their fans too.)
I used to like some of these clubs, but they have mostly raised their prices and sadly the general service level is low. That being said, I still know enough people who drive 600KM to see Katja in Grimberg Sauna.
I have to admit I don't know much about clubs south of the Weisswurstaequator.
Colloseum has decent girls many of whom are form other areas with FKKs who want to charge more, but the set up is good. I still like Sylt in Nurenburg as it was my first FKK and still holds a special place in my heart.
and on another point, I am not letting Wan King scout women for me, he has very different taste....until now I have liked the miss Ireland (http://www.missworld.tv/bio/bio.sps?iBiographyID=92171) the most, but am still looking through. and I would probably book Miss Moldova (http://www.missworld.tv/bio/bio.sps?iBiographyID=92178) because she is insanely thin, and I always sort of fall for that. and maybe miss mexico (http://www.missworld.tv/bio/bio.sps?iBiographyID=91885)
Italy is also my taste (http://www.missworld.tv/bio/bio.sps?iBiographyID=92033)
And if I had to take something more exotic probably miss vietnam (http://www.missworld.tv/bio/bio.sps?iBiographyID=92278) or Miss Namibia (http://www.missworld.tv/bio/bio.sps?iBiographyID=92269)
Well Peter,
If we ever visit a club together, at least we wont fall out when chosing our women :D
wan,
that could have been the problem in a smaller club with routard and I.
for anyone in germany right now....and in response to the guy who mentioned the HBO series with termas....well right now on EXTRA on RTL is a report (it should be on in the next 15 minutes or so) of a Japanese camera team that is in german brothels and FKK's saying which are the best and what the rules are.
I am looking for a link, but lal I can find is this short blurb in german
http://www.rtl.de/tv/tv_925898.php
for anyone in germany right now....and in response to the guy who mentioned the HBO series with termas....well right now on EXTRA on RTL is a report (it should be on in the next 15 minutes or so) of a Japanese camera team that is in german brothels and FKK's saying which are the best and what the rules are.
I am looking for a link, but lal I can find is this short blurb in german
http://www.rtl.de/tv/tv_925898.php
Hey Peter,
I about busted a gut when Ms. Arabella described the director's "shortcomings" and explained how she had to be a "verdammt gute Schauspielerin".
Thanks for the word.
Cheers,
Dedalus
that could have been the problem in a smaller club with routard and I.
Even in a FKK with all the Miss World! I had chosen Miss Italy too until I discovered she had not the required age to go for a session. So I will try to go with Miss Mexico before you take her away from me.
Routard
it was just about that pathetic RLD Pascha in Cologne....why didn't they go to PHG, ther are always tonnes of japs from Düsseldorf there (Düsseldorf has the second largest japanese population outside of Japan), or at Oase I always have seen koreans and japanese.
But why would a guy with a small dick be on the sex channel?
Atrium
This si the new name for Tropicana in düsseldorf. I go there every now and again, and it is hit and miss, although in the meantime it looks pretty good. The rooms are a bit small, but the main room and the patio are quite nice. Sometimes the showers are a bit cold, and the changing room is a bit cramped. I have had amzing sessions, adn the girl I currently miss the most out of the business, Anna a beautiful Cuban used to be my long term booking ther. The prices change often, but usually they are about the 59€ 99€ 129€ method with no entry fee but 25€ in case you leave without going to the room, adn the sessions are in 20 min intervals.
La Folie in Berlin
I love this place, but that is just me.....It has a low entrance fee and is naked for men too, well you get a towel that might just fit around shiatsu, but he is the only person I know who it might fit. The service is not quite FKK standard, but the atmosphere is sort of bernd'sy and typical berlin, adn the girls you find here tend to have the best german language skills int he business.
Just to add a couple of sentences to this.
Atrium (the former Tropicana) is in Erkrath and is within striking distance of Duesseldorf. In fact, it can be reached by bus (forget the bus number). Get off at Neunhausplatz and its "um die Ecke". A former swingers club on the top floor of a building in an industrial section. The towels are ratty and the showers don't deliver enough hot water. The Sauna is winzig and placed in one corner of the floor - far from the showers which is bizzah.. oops, sorry.. bizarre. That time I was there the Dachterasse was a Baustelle - wonder if they've completed it yet. They had soup but nothing else to eat. They charge for drinks. My objective there was to find Jessica, formerly of Wiago. I did find her, had a long extended session with her - and then she overcharged me at the end. I didn't quibble with the bill but it will be a while before I return to this or before I see her. Yes, they do have those three session deals just like pricing schemes at the Red Carpets. I would have seen several more of the women who were there.
I've done La Folie too in the Hauptstadt. Berliner Luft, Berliner Schnauze! Small place and yes, the towels are the size of a handkerchief. If you do it outside on the bed in the main Kontaktzimmer they offer reduced pricing. I've never seen anyone do it in full view though. This is a great opportunity to meet some native Berliners: women from Reinickendorf, Wannsee and Schoeneberg. I know, its was not very smart of me, but I did the piccolo thing with a cute blonde and she took the bottle and the champagne flutes back with us to the room. She positions me to go down on me, takes a sip in her mouth and lets it flow onto my dick. It was very cold and a total surprise. Good session but somewhat below club standards elsewhere. She was, in the end, adequate but quite professional (in other words, she was rushing to get me out of the room once I had come).
I've not done Artemis yet but from all descriptions its one of those "shock and awe" clubs and I am not a big fan of larger clubs no matter how great the facilities.
http://www.zeit.de/2006/40/Prostitution
http://www.zeit.de/2006/40/Zypries
whats dat all about den Breadman, for dose of us who dont speak de German??
basically it says that next year they might pass a law to be able to prosecute men who frequent prostitutes who are forced into the business. The examples are all call girls from newspapers, especially in cities like Hamburg and Berlin and along the Czech border.
I was on sexrelax the other day and saw some girls described as "slaves" who supposedly like it "really hard" and "without taboos"....included are descriptions that they like anal and being smacked in the face....and then it says that since they are so busy you should understand that they cannot answer the phone and a man will.....this just sounds dodgy, and like exactly the sort of forced situation this article is talking about.
The set up of FKK's is much better at preventing the forced sitation....I mean I still think Hells Angel owned and run World is borderline with too much contact with people who go over the line, and sort of a foray intot he FKK scene because traditional prostitution was not working.
I think if you were to argue that you went into a well established business where you see women come and go freely it would be tough to prosecute.
It is easier to claim that some appartment where they bring the girls from some back room to you is what they are targetting.
I doubt it will have an effect.
http://www.zeit.de/2006/40/prostitution
http://www.zeit.de/2006/40/zypries
hey b'man,
... or "forced prostitution" has been a hot topic for a while now.
i did visit the other forum where you found these links, btw.
the topic was moved up to the front pages again just before the wm or football championships when prostitution was put under the microscope and there were police raids.
as i've written elsewhere in this forum before, you can remain pc (politically correct) by staying primarily with german women who theoretically can a) decide if they want to do this work, b) work anywhere they want.
(yeah, i know that german women don't have the best reputations but i have always been satisfied with their services.)
with the foreign women, who knows..
more about this topic is here:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/zwangsprostitution
the following website deals with what customers can do to stop this (they don't judge customers by the way on moral grounds, they just want forced prostitution stopped - customers are the ones who make the market and can stop it):
www.stoppt-zwangsprostitution.de
in answer to the question of how to recognize forced prostitution, this is how they respond (my translation of their text into english):
wie erkennen sie, dass sie kunde bei einer zwangsprostituierten sind?
skepsis ist angebracht bei:
verängstigung und desorientierung
"fear and disorientation"
erschöpfung und übermüdung
"tiredness and extreme fatigue"
erfüllung aller wünsche ohne zu verhandeln
"fulfillment of all wishes without negotiation/discussion"
verschlossenen räumen
"enclosed rooms"
überwachung
"observation (supervision)"
überbringung durch dritte
"third party intermediation"
spuren von misshandlung
"evidence of mishandling"
anschein von minderjährigkeit
"an impression of ****"
these folks are not, by the way, against prostitution or customers, just forced prostitution.
the correct club response to this would be to certify that all women it has on its premises are there of their own volition.
if not, it would require that you ask each provider at each session to certify that she is there of her own free will... or maybe even have her sign a waiver or something.
it doesn't take long to see how this would become pretty ridiculous.
there are ways to have our fun and still abide by this.
Hi all,
I have some tentative dates to come back to Frankfurt. I'm thinking mid-November or early December.
Which time do you think would have better talent?
TIA
As I've written elsewhere in this forum before, you can remain PC (politically correct) by staying primarily with German women who theoretically can a) decide if they want to do this work, b) work anywhere they want.
(Yeah, I know that German women don't have the best reputations but I have always been satisfied with their services.)
With the foreign women, who knows..
Actually if I am not mistaken, your statement should apply to any woman who is an EU citizen, correct?
Cheers,
Dedalus
Actually if I am not mistaken, your statement should apply to any woman who is an EU citizen, correct?
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hey, Deda!
.. if she is an EU citizen, she has much more ability to decide on her working conditions.
Was anyone in this forum active prior to the Wende (or the fall of the Iron Curtain)?
I've been wondering how different the club scene was back then.
I can imagine the entry of Eastern European women into the scene has only been over the past fifteen years or so.
But what was it exactly like back then?
The only club which probably was around back then was Bernds. Not sure when the Red Carpets entered the scene.
World is a recent phenomena: 2003. The late great Atlantis was a recent arrival too. Not sure when Oase was founded.
My club career only goes back to 1999.
Has a FKk club, either real or fictious ever featured in a mainstream German movie? I have seen loads of European movies that feature prostitutes and regular brothels, but I have never seen an FKK club in a movie.
I wish someone would make a mainstream movie about life in an FKK or partytreff club. Id go and see it. In fact I have never yet seen a movie where prostitution is realistically portrayed.
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Eric Burden
10-11-06, 05:11
I am considering taking a tour next month of the FKK clubs. Has anyone taken a tour with them that can make a recommendation (good or bad)?
Thanks!
EB
I am considering taking a (CFIT) tour next month of the FKK clubs. Has anyone taken a tour with them that can make a recommendation (good or bad)?
Thanks!
EB
I know someone who took one of their tours years ago and can put you in touch with him so you can ask him directly.
I used to also be in contact with their organizer, Bob.
Thought it didn't exist anymore.
Find hereafter the German FKK waypoints for GPS. There are 174 waypoints with location of FKK in GPS coordinates and all practical information (adress, phone number, website, opening time and pricing) available in comments.
There are different formats, but I tried to give the most used:
.ov2 for Tom Tom
.csv for Miomap, Navman
.gdb for Garmin
.kml for Google Earth
.gpx as a standard of exchange between different systems.
If you need any other type of format, you can make the conversion with GPSBabel www.gpsvisualizer.com/gpsbabel.
If you have no GPS, you still can enjoy the database with Google Earth using the .kml file as well as simply the text with .doc file.
I made the original on Mapsource for Garmin GPS generating directly .gdb .kml and .gpx. The other standards have been created with GPSbabel. Let me know if you have managed to use them on other GPS systems than Garmin, as I could not check them out myself.
Routard
Hi to everyone, and forgive from now to the future my english absolutely far to be perfect.
First of all I want to thank everyone for you, for having me discovered the incredible world of the Deutsch Fkk. I have been reading you for about 5 or 6 weeks and now the dream became true! In these hours i will book a flight fo Frankfurt for the period 29-30/12 to 2-3/01. Now the question for the most expert "Frei koerper mongers" of you: can be "dangerous" to go, for example, to Palace, on the last day or on the last 2 days of this year and the next day of the 2007? I mean, is it possible to find on these days the Palace totally empty, because all the girls are in their respective country for the New Year vacations?
Thank you to everyone; i read all you write with great interest.
Holds.
Hi to everyone, and forgive from now to the future my english absolutely far to be perfect.
First of all I want to thank everyone for you, for having me discovered the incredible world of the Deutsch Fkk. I have been reading you for about 5 or 6 weeks and now the dream became true! In these hours i will book a flight fo Frankfurt for the period 29-30/12 to 2-3/01. Now the question for the most expert "Frei koerper mongers" of you: can be "dangerous" to go, for example, to Palace, on the last day or on the last 2 days of this year and the next day of the 2007? I mean, is it possible to find on these days the Palace totally empty, because all the girls are in their respective country for the New Year vacations?
Thank you to everyone; i read all you write with great interest.
Holds.
... you are taking a chance at holidays. The girls do go away or have better things to do.
I was at Koeln for Karneval a couple of years ago and my club visits that week were not anything special because of reduced selections at the clubs.
The clubs do have special Karneval events but maybe you need to be there the week before Rosenmontag.
As for large events like the upcoming party at World with free entry, I think better to avoid them as they do attract gawkers who don't do any business with the girls at all.
... you are taking a chance at holidays. The girls do go away or have better things to do.
I was at Koeln for Karneval a couple of years ago and my club visits that week were not anything special because of reduced selections at the clubs.
The clubs do have special Karneval events but maybe you need to be there the week before Rosenmontag.
As for large events like the upcoming party at World with free entry, I think better to avoid them as they do attract gawkers who don't do any business with the girls at all.Ok, Jackyo. I will avoid those days and will try to go there, maybe, from 6 to 9 of December.
Viele dank!
Now the question for the most expert "Frei koerper mongers" of you: can be "dangerous" to go, for example, to Palace, on the last day or on the last 2 days of this year and the next day of the 2007? I mean, is it possible to find on these days the Palace totally empty, because all the girls are in their respective country for the New Year vacations?
You may find the number of girls a bit reduced, but not as much as many people think. There will be some "Silvester" Parties close to those dates and it will not make sense for all of the girls to just take off afterwards. Still should be worth a visit. I have had some darn good visits during the winter holidays at all three of the Frankfurt "Big-3". Do check the opening hours on those days before stepping into a cab, train or rent-a-car.
Good luck,
Dedalus
You may find the number of girls a bit reduced, but not as much as many people think. There will be some "Silvester" Parties close to those dates and it will not make sense for all of the girls to just take off afterwards. Still should be worth a visit. I have had some darn good visits during the winter holidays at all three of the Frankfurt "Big-3". Do check the opening hours on those days before stepping into a cab, train or rent-a-car.
Good luck,
DedalusHello, D-san,
I posted the same question last year on the other board and had some mixed comments. I was intended to go there for New Years, then skipped the trip and ended up not going back until May!! I was not really sure how the situations were for this year, but I hope this time around would be nice, if not great ( I know, many of the star qualities will be gone on holidays.)
Anyway, I am also planning to try for 12/29-1/3. Seriously wondering if I should skip again and chill at home. Any comments would be appreciated.
Samurai
Anyway, I am also planning to try for 12/29-1/3. Seriously wondering if I should skip again and chill at home. Any comments would be appreciated.
Samurai
Hello Samurai,
Certainly some of those days will be worth a visit. I myself will probably pass on a New Years Eve or New Years Day visit, but the other days could be interesting. Last year the world was that World was kind of slow and that most of the Polish and other east-Europeans flew the coop for the holidays. I will probably pay these clubs some visits around these times this year. In the worst-case scenario, I will enjoy a "Wellness-Tag".
Cheers,
Dedalus
Thank you, boys. I have not decided yet what to do on december. but I think I will go to FRF on the first week of december. Mein Gott, what a wonderfull thing I have discovered.
Maybe you will not believe me, but i have decided to learn deutsch to "live" in a more deep way this incredible world of the FKK. (Meine sehr arm Ubersetztung: "Vielleicht will ihr nicht glauben mich, aber ich habe Deutsch studiert entscheiden, zu "leben" in tiefer Manieren diese unglaublich Welt von die Fkk. :-)
Sorry for the many mistakes but this is my "zwei monaten Deutsch"...
Hi to everyone from Italy and thank you.
Holds.
Hello experienced predators,
Please help us on two queries:
1. Which FKK (Palace, World, Oase) is nearest from Hahn airport.
2. What is the economical way of reaching there from Hahn airport ( we are 3 friends)
As we are going this weekend itself, will highly appreciate any help on this.
Hello, D-san,
I posted the same question last year on the other board and had some mixed comments. I was intended to go there for New Years, then skipped the trip and ended up not going back until May!! I was not really sure how the situations were for this year, but I hope this time around would be nice, if not great ( I know, many of the star qualities will be gone on holidays.)
Anyway, I am also planning to try for 12/29-1/3. Seriously wondering if I should skip again and chill at home. Any comments would be appreciated.
SamuraiChill at home. Go at end of november when I maybe there! LOL
i was at bernd's this past week and oase and i had a great time.
for all intensive puroses i'm going to write some points not in any order as i'm still kinda jet-lagged from my trans-atlantic flight.
-bernd's is a small club, out of the 15 girls there 3 were 8's 10 where 5-7's and 2 were, let's say mature.
-food was so-so , i'd say oase was much better.
-the girls are super nice at bernd's and i loved the freebie dfk and bj action on the couch before the room in front of everyone. if you are shy this may not be for you as everyone is watching and it is well-lit upstairs. but they only watch for 5 seconds max and everything returns to normal.
-the downstairs glass room was interesting as it was fun to watch a couple go at it!.
-i arrived at 2 pm and immediately got a message from tanya,burnette, nice breasts (messeure) as my lower back was bothering me. tanya was really smoking hot! i would have sessioned with her but she made it clear that she was there only for the therapeutic not erotic message.
-the girls where really apologetic about not being able to speak english and i explained to them that it is i that should be sorry that i can't sprechen deutsch as i'm in deutschland.
-the service is very,very good, dfk, bbbj fs but they did not cim and i ended up cumming on the tits only.---9/10.
-i was with monika (30,curly hair, hungarian,beauty mark on upper left lip, sexy body, nice,sweet girl) and anna (25,blond , polish, quite tall, c cups nice body, sweet girl) they were both super in the zimmer. one thing i noticed about monika is that she did not shave down there and anna did shave but not her anal regions where as the girls at oase all shave back and front. fyi i shave my front and back too.
-i only spent 5 hours there because i came up from frankfurt and traffic was terrible because of construction and a huge accident on the a3. there and back.
-i liked that fact that the girls are not allowed to approach you, but likewise i did not mind oase where i rarely had problems with girls approaching. my only problems were viki from bulgria as she stalked me like crazy, apparantly she has an asian fetish and victoria (poland blond), i just think that she is a beeatch that provides crap service and is an optifuck --i have seen this from her the past 3 different times going to oase.
-i did find it kind of uncomfortable in between sessions at bernd's but no one was rude or anything like that. just boring, it would have been better if the weather was better so i could have hung out out side.
was it worth it to go there once? yes! but it is unlikely that i would make another trip from frankfurt because of the 5 hours of driving i did that day. i would go again only if i was was staying longer, unfortunately i am only able to stay for 5 day trips, maybe if i stayed 1 week i would go again.
-i have to say i really like oase and this time i never even bothered to go to world (too many romanians) or palace(churn and burn)
-i went to oase 4 days and had 12 sessions and only 1 was so-so and even then it was not bad because i'm comparing it to the 11 other sessions i had.i guess i'm experienced enough to filterout the churn and burns from the gfe's. 11/12 ain't bad for the pickings!
-standouts for this time at oase: claudia (25, blond, 5"7,poland, c cups super sweet smile, great gfe ), edie (26,dirtly blond 5"4, ukriane/german, super gfe , beautiful smile, works one day a week--friday or saturday early shift--super sweet girl!) and stephanie (russian,22 blond blue eyes, again service with a super smile, great bj), samuri x, now i know why you are asking if she is still there, and another girl who shall remain unnamed.
-it's interesting but i had a couple sessions where the girls told me their real names, does this mean anything? i guess they trust me or something?
conclusion:
bernd's is a great club for service and value and worth the visit once, but if you have a limited amount of time, stick to the big three in frankfurt you can't go wrong.
-I did find it kind of uncomfortable in between sessions at BERND'S but NO one was rude or anything like that. Just boring, it would have been better if the weather was better so I could have hung out out side.
Bernd's is a great club for service and value and worth the visit once, but if you have a limited amount of time, stick to the BIG three in Frankfurt you can't go wrong.
I have no idea how non-German speakers do it when you visit but I have a great time having conversations with the women between sessions.
Loose interactions with them add to the ambiance.
The other customers are also easy to talk to and willing to share information. This is less prevalent at the larger clubs.
The girls put on a show for you while you sit on the couches. This exhibitionistic activity only takes place at this club.
There is the sauna. And if you are in need of nourishment (all that sex will make you hungry), there is food as well.
I will beg to differ with you on your last sentence. Bernds is the sure thing. The Hessen three are a crap shoot.
You are just as likely to find someone at these clubs who will want to "process" you as you will land on someone who will give you good value.
If you take a dart and throw it at Bernds to select your next partner you cannot go wrong. This would not be an advised strategy at any other club.
1. Which FKK (Palace, World, Oase) is nearest from Hahn airport.
2. What is the economical way of reaching there from Hahn airport ( we are 3 friends)
3. Is the buffet at Oase/ World included in the entry fee?
As we are going this weekend itself, will highly appreciate any help on this
Jackyo,
I guess Eagle is right. A newbie with limited time and lack of German skills is better off in the top clubs in Frankfurt. These clubs are a must see, the Disney World for adults, the Las Vegas of the sex industry. Any tourist in NY needs to see first the Empire State Building and Statue of Liberty. After that he might enjoy a genuine cosy Jazz Club.
Yes, Bernd's is an excellent club if not one of the best and I would love having it as my regular club. But when I'm with first timers, I show them the glitters of the top Frankfurt Clubs.
Routard
1. Which FKK (Palace, World, Oase) is nearest from Hahn airport.
2. What is the economical way of reaching there from Hahn airport ( we are 3 friends)
3. Is the buffet at Oase/ World included in the entry fee?
As we are going this weekend itself, will highly appreciate any help on this
1. Palace, Oase, World in that Order. However world is the best club for a newbie. Palace is terrible full of potential disasters for the inexperienced, Oaze good (Girls better) but not a nice premises, World will be the most English speaking cosmopolitan club. Total drive time 1.75 hrs to World I think. Make sure you have a sat nav
2. Hire a good car between the three of you. A Merc C class with sat nav diesel will be negligable on fuel. Goto RyanAir.com or Easyjet.com and book through that website for Herz or Budget respectively. You do not have to fly with them
3. Yes. Food and drink free all day, except alcohol, only available at World.
Mike,
What standard do you guys want from STD tests?
Quite simply, the main 3 HIV, Syph and Gon - if someone even suspects they have it, I personally would have no compunction about naming _possible_ names and places.
If this girl has a disease, it could be her fault due to non-safe practice or it could be not her fault through uncovered oral sex which is mandatory. Thats not the issue though.
What I DO say is that she should absolutely not be working till it is cured. I have no problem in that case if she never works again because she (and her pimp) are not responsible and cares nothing for her clients so why should I care for her?
It may sound harsh, but its a harsh business and I do not want anybody infecting me.
So I say name that girl, it is a duty and a social responsibility to do so.
Jackyo,
I guess Eagle is right. A newbie with limited time and lack of German skills is better off in the top clubs in Frankfurt. These clubs are a must see, the Disney World for adults, the Las Vegas of the sex industry. Any tourist in NY needs to see first the Empire State Building and Statue of Liberty. After that he might enjoy a genuine cosy Jazz Club.
Yes, Bernd's is an excellent club if not one of the best and I would love having it as my regular club. But when I'm with first timers, I show them the glitters of the top Frankfurt Clubs.
Routard
.. and if a newbie is content with the Hessen three then that is perfectly fine with me.
In fact, let me suggest that they not go any further and stay in Hessen the whole time (this will reduce the crowding at the smaller NRW clubs.)
:-)
However World is the best club for a newbie. Palace is terrible full of potential disasters for the inexperienced, Oase good (Girls better) but not a nice premises, World will be the most English speaking cosmopolitan club.
I agree that for a total newbie, World is the best. The facilities will "shock and awe" you (never mind that this strategy didn't work you know where).
Get your Romanian phrase book out.
Anyone remember that pop song from a couple of years ago: Dragostea din tei? Its the only Romanian I know and I've been told it has something to do with making love under a tree. Sounds like Italian if you've never heard it before.
Yes, you have to watch out for the potential disasters lurking in some of these places. Kind of like running into an iceberg on the Titanic when it looks like clear sailing all way.
It is interesting that a lot of the girls ask whether there are FKK Clubs in North America and when I tell them that there aren't any (besides Nevada--bad Value), the girls are amazed/dumbfounded that there aren't any and that it is illegal. A few of them have responded "it is just sex, what's the problem?"
or " so what do the married guys do for sex?"LOL.
The reason they ask is that I tell them I am on a sex urlaub (holiday) and they assume that FKK's exist in N.A. thus why would I travel so far to go to an FKK.
I suppose that the FKK's/prostitution are acceptable professions in the european culture? Also some of the girls comment "So what do single people do for sex in N.A" ---I say suffer miserably like me,LOL.
Any comments?
Chill at home. Go at end of november when I maybe there! LOLThanks guys,
I guess I am staying at home, chilling and watching TV, dreaming about those girls. When do those girls usually come back in a full force?
Cheers,
S
.. of the Hungarian Revolution, it might be a good idea to find a Hungarian woman and fuck her silly... as a way of showing solidarity with them.
What do you think?
Maybe you will not believe me, but i have decided to learn deutsch to "live" in a more deep way this incredible world of the FKK. (Meine sehr arm Ubersetztung: "Vielleicht will ihr nicht glauben mich, aber ich habe Deutsch studiert entscheiden, zu "leben" in tiefer Manieren diese unglaublich Welt von die Fkk. :-)
Sorry for the many mistakes but this is my "zwei monaten Deutsch"...
Vielleicht (oder Hoechstwahrscheinlich) wollt ihr mir nicht glauben aber ich habe die Entscheidung getroffen, die deutsche Sprache zu lernen, damit ich die unvorstellbare Welt der FKK Clubs ausfuehrlich besser kennenlernen kann.
Vielleicht (oder Hoechstwahrscheinlich) wollt ihr mir nicht glauben aber ich habe die Entscheidung getroffen, die deutsche Sprache zu lernen, damit ich die unvorstellbare Welt der FKK Clubs ausfuehrlich besser kennenlernen kann.
Hallo Jackyo,
Du Angeber, du!!! ;-))))
Hey Holds,
If you came up with that after 2 months, dann gar nicht so schlecht, Junge.
Keep it up. Having a bit of Deutsch is very handy in the clubs. Not sure if it is more important than a fat wallet, but it certainly comes in second.
Cheers,
Dedalus, bescheidener Ausländer
... a fat wallet helps too!
Eagle 5,
it is not an accepted proffession, but it is seen as a part of society that exists.
But it is not like people tell their colleagues "I'm off to the FKK to fuck some prostitutes" or anything like that.
But as far as I kinow Charlie Sheen stillhas a popular sit com even thoguh the whole of america knows that he spends quite a bit of money on prostitution.
It is now legal in germany to list prostitution as your profession and pay taxes on it and stuff, but virtually no girls have done this.
Eagle 5,
it is not an accepted proffession, but it is seen as a part of society that exists.
But it is not like people tell their colleagues "I'm off to the FKK to fuck some prostitutes" or anything like that.
But as far as I kinow Charlie Sheen stillhas a popular sit com even thoguh the whole of america knows that he spends quite a bit of money on prostitution.
It is now legal in germany to list prostitution as your profession and pay taxes on it and stuff, but virtually no girls have done this.I guess my point is that the girls seems to accept what they are doing as providing pleasure and they are getting paid for providing the services and can not believe that the FKK's do not exist in North America.
it is not an accepted proffession, but it is seen as a part of society that exists.
When I first went to FKK World, I got lost in the bad weather. I just went into the flower shop and asked where the FKK was. "Oh, yes, dear, it's just up the road, turn left.... Oh hang on, I'll come with you and show you." And she got in the car, we drove to where the big World sign was, I drove her back to her shop. This lady of perhaps 60 then wished me a happy day in the club. No embarrassment. No judgments. Refreshing.
When I first went to FKK World, I got lost in the bad weather. I just went into the flower shop and asked where the FKK was. "Oh, yes, dear, it's just up the road, turn left.... Oh hang on, I'll come with you and show you." And she got in the car, we drove to where the big World sign was, I drove her back to her shop. This lady of perhaps 60 then wished me a happy day in the club. No embarrassment. No judgments. Refreshing.
.. how much business the flower shop gets from the gigantic FKK club down the road.
I was having a discussion with Marlow earlier this year about the late great Atlantis and he brought up that when it was around the good people of Altenstadt complained about how the club was a black mark on their town. After it closed they realized that it brought customers to its businesses who would never have stopped there had there not been a club and now they regret it not being around.
I often used to stop for a bite to eat at one of the Altenstadt restaurants at that intersection with the stop light off the Landstrasse where you made a left turn to head to the club.
Yes, the existence of the clubs is an accepted fact but the women still have a sense of wanting to keep their private lives separate from their club lives.
The Roemer, by the way, don't allow you to provide detailed descriptions of the womens tatoos when you write reports. The reasoning is that someone may recognize the tatoo and be able to identify who she actually is in real life.
I've also read that some Zuhalter like to tatoo their property. I've seen a lot of fairly exotic names (non-European ones) tatooed on some of the women. I'll leave it at that.
I was with a blonde Albanian woman a couple of times (once at Wiago, once at Wildenrath). Her Kunstlername (or artist name) was different in each case and so I asked her why. She said her real name was Khadijah. I said
"Gesundheit". She didn't think it was funny. Picture a nude woman with large tits sitting on a bed with you with her arms folded in front of her with an "we are not amused" look on her face.
Turns out that Khadijah was the name of Mohammed's wife and that the woman I with was an Albanian Muslim.
You learn something each time you visit one of these clubs. Its like you have all of the world's cultures in a microcosm.
Jackyo
U surely must now be the World's number one FKK expert :D (well greatest expert living outside Germany anyway)
Jackyo
U surely must now be the World's number one FKK expert :D (well greatest expert living outside Germany anyway)
Well.. I wouldn't say that.
It is an obsession, fortunately or unfortunately.
The Roemer, by the way, don't allow you to provide detailed descriptions of the womens tatoos when you write reports. The reasoning is that someone may recognize the tatoo and be able to identify who she actually is in real life.
They have not always been so consistent on that score. Otherwise Angelique's little Devil, Donna's Cross, Kim's Chinese characters, and Laura's Joker would not be so well known.
Maybe they are taking that rule a bit more serious of late.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Vielleicht (oder Hoechstwahrscheinlich) wollt ihr mir nicht glauben aber ich habe die Entscheidung getroffen, die deutsche Sprache zu lernen, damit ich die unvorstellbare Welt der FKK Clubs ausfuehrlich besser kennenlernen kann.Viele viele Dank, Jackyo, I appreciate very much your Deutsch web-lesson :-)))
I have a question now for you and for the community: i will be in Frankfurt for 4 days in december, for an all sex-Urlaub :-) What do you say? Palace, Oase or Palace? I was thinking about spending the first two days in Polheim and the last at the Palace. What about? Is this the best choice?
Holds aus Italy.
Quite simply, the main 3 HIV, Syph and Gon - if someone even suspects they have it, I personally would have no compunction about naming _possible_ names and places.
If this girl has a disease, it could be her fault due to non-safe practice or it could be not her fault through uncovered oral sex which is mandatory. Thats not the issue though.
What I DO say is that she should absolutely not be working till it is cured. I have no problem in that case if she never works again because she (and her pimp) are not responsible and cares nothing for her clients so why should I care for her?
It may sound harsh, but its a harsh business and I do not want anybody infecting me.
So I say name that girl, it is a duty and a social responsibility to do so.
Hi Mike,
Actually, THE main STD is chlamydia- the most common STD in the world, and the easiest to catch (and cure). I know a few mongers who have caught it in FKK's and NRW sauna clubs- in the urethra, in the throat, and even in the eye from overexuberant DATY, and I know girls who have been scarred for life by it because it causes abscesses in the fallopian tubes if allowed to fester for some months untreated. This happens more often than you might think because chlamydia is often clinically silent with either no or very subtle symptoms.
If I had my druthers, all SW and mongers would be tested at least monthly for chlamydia. The others are comparatively rare, although gonorrhea sometimes is seen coinfected with chlamydia.
professor Dr beffen- pathologist and cunninglinguist
was mohammeds first wife. His last wife Aisha was most likely somewhere between the ages of 10-13 when Mohammed married her, adn he was over 50.
Muslims like mentioning this less than not understanding khadija.
was mohammeds first wife. His last wife Aisha was most likely somewhere between the ages of 10-13 when Mohammed married her, adn he was over 50.
Muslims like mentioning this less than not understanding khadija.
.. the name Aisha comes from!
Think about it: the FKK clubs promote cultural understanding and help bridge the Christian-Muslim divide.
I have to admit that I actually had a Turkish obsession going for a while and was even trying to meet Turkish women in real life.
I have a question now for you and for the community: i will be in Frankfurt for 4 days in december, for an all sex-Urlaub :-) What do you say? Palace, Oase or Palace? I was thinking about spending the first two days in Polheim and the last at the Palace. What about? Is this the best choice?
Holds aus Italy.
For four days I would do all three and then return to the best one of the three on the fourth day.
My favorite there is Oase.. but I'll leave it to you to decide which you find best.
Me too, having sex-holiday 8-10 December in Frankfurt. If these your dates maybe we can meet fratello.
Gorgi
Viele viele Dank, Jackyo, I appreciate very much your Deutsch web-lesson :-)))
I have a question now for you and for the community: i will be in Frankfurt for 4 days in december, for an all sex-Urlaub :-) What do you say? Palace, Oase or Palace? I was thinking about spending the first two days in Polheim and the last at the Palace. What about? Is this the best choice?
Holds aus Italy.
Which FKK clubs consistently have a high proportion of stunning women????
Most of them - RTFF
Dear all - I'm wondering those who have travelled even more extensively than myself in Germany where is best for FKK purposes. We have been on a few occasions to Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, and Cologne. I like how laid back Cologne is (at Samya), but there are more choices in Frankfurt (between Palace and Oase). Just wondering if anyone preferred Berlin, or perhaps any other cities worth going to next month? Cheers
Me too, having sex-holiday 8-10 December in Frankfurt. If these your dates maybe we can meet fratello.
GorgiOf course, Gorgi, that we can meet in December.
I will be in FRF from 6 to 8 december and will return back to Italy with a flight early in the morning of 9/12.
I am not sure now, but i think i will go to Oase in the first day and to Palace on the others 2 days.
Holds.
Dear all - I'm wondering those who have travelled even more extensively than myself in Germany where is best for FKK purposes. We have been on a few occasions to Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, and Cologne. I like how laid back Cologne is (at Samya), but there are more choices in Frankfurt (between Palace and Oase). Just wondering if anyone preferred Berlin, or perhaps any other cities worth going to next month? Cheers
The answer as to which is the best city is, of course, rather subjective, no? So it might be a poorly phrased question...
However, from a purely mongering perspective, I can tell you where NOT to go: Munchen!
On the "good city" side: Koln or Dusseldorf are, for me, at least, the same: I would always have a hired car, so basing myself in either of those two nearly adjacent towns would give tremendous access to a host of different NRW clubs, even extending down to Bonn-area (i.e. Bernd's).
On the other hand, Frankfurt has certain advantages as well: Two big clubs and a couple of smaller ones within S/U-bahn+taxi range, and FKKW not really that far off, if you know your way around.
As far as "laid back" town: well, most of the laying back I do is inside the clubs, so... But I love a town like Hamburg, yet the FKKing is pretty dismal there.
Ortos
Dear all - I'm wondering those who have travelled even more extensively than myself in Germany where is best for FKK purposes. We have been on a few occasions to Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, and Cologne. I like how laid back Cologne is (at Samya), but there are more choices in Frankfurt (between Palace and Oase). Just wondering if anyone preferred Berlin, or perhaps any other cities worth going to next month? Cheers
A bit of trivia: there are 18 million people who live in NRW, 6 million who in Hessen.
There is much more activity in NRW than in Hessen if even just from a population standpoint. Just visit the "Clubs to be added" thread of this section and do a count of clubs mentioned for NRW and for Hessen.
Seems to me that you've not done the Golden Triangle yet. Richtig?
The Koelner are known for their hospitality and friendliness. I enjoy visiting there.
There is activity everywhere in Germany. The question is whether any of it is up to the standards set by the NRW and Hessen clubs and whether it is priced favorably.
As a rule, the south (Baden Wuerttemberg and Bayern) are "tote Hose", as the Germans would say - literally "dead pants". The Laender south of the Weisswurstaequater are more conservative.
To the north, Hamburg does not deserve its reputation.
Berlin isn't a bad city to visit, in fact it is my favorite city on the entire planet. It has a scene which includes street action, Sexkinos, clubs and as well Kultur, Berliner Schnauze and Berliner Luft. A kind of place you'd want to leave a Koffer behind at. The biggest secret of all: it is the cheapest major European capital city. London, Paris, etc.. are way overrated and overpriced.
Which FKK clubs consistently have a high proportion of stunning women????
Please do your research before asking such a general question.
In a typical FKK club there is a distribution of women by looks along a bell curve just as they are distributed along a similar bell curve in real life.
Meindorfer
10-22-06, 13:55
As a rule, the south (Baden Wuerttemberg and Bayern) are "tote Hose", as the Germans would say - literally "dead pants". The Laender south of the Weisswurstaequater are more conservative.Nonsens, sorry!
Only for example:
http://www.fkk-aida.de/index.htm
http://www.fkk-haus.com/
http://www.fkk-stuttgart.de/
http://www.fkk-planet.com
http://www.fkk-pascha.de/
http://www.fkk-colosseum.de/
http://www.fkk-morgenland.de/
http://www.fkk-sylt.de/
Meindorfer
Jackyo! Yeap I totally agree with you. I heard the same things about Berlin. I somehow have managed to go to Germany on 4-5 occasions without ever having been to Berlin.... i think it is on the list for 'next to visit'... however besides Artemis I haven't heard of much about how the scene is like. I also agree that price and quality are the 2 things I am looking for - I wonder if it matches up to the level of Palace/Oase in terms of quality and Samya in terms of price and service.
The only thing about goldentriangle is that I may be limited by public transport without a car. What is the nearest major airport to them, and will I need a car to get there (might be a problem since I normally use public transport)?
I also once went to Dusseldorf - I think club was either Dolce Vita or BlueNote. Thought it was ok, until we made it to Frankfurt...
Might indeed go to Berlin, if there are any places that you gentlemen would suggest visiting/staying at I would love some tips :)
Nonsens, sorry!
Only for example:
http://www.fkk-aida.de/index.htm
http://www.fkk-haus.com/
http://www.fkk-stuttgart.de/
http://www.fkk-planet.com
http://www.fkk-pascha.de/
http://www.fkk-colosseum.de/
http://www.fkk-morgenland.de/
http://www.fkk-sylt.de/
Meindorfer
... of the Weisswurstaequator. I never said there wasn't.
As a rule, quality and prices are not the same as further north.
Put another way: if you are going to Germany for the purpose of visiting clubs, have your plane land in Hessen or NRW as these two Laender are where the best activity takes place. This where you will find the "destination clubs", the ones which people either fly or drive hundreds or thousands of kilometers to get to.
If you happen to find yourself south of the Weisswurstaequator, you will be able to indulge though you will not be at the epicenter of FKK clubdom. You should be ready to lower your expectations.
Are there any folks out there who go out of their way to go to Muenchen or Stuttgart to hobby? Please stand up and be counted.
Maybe "someone" should do visit these southern clubs and do a report. Just a suggestion. In fact, why not we ask the newbies to do it...
The only ones I read about regularly on the Roemer are Sylt in Nuermberg and Sudfass Oase in Pasing (in der Naehe von Muenchen).
For that matter, has anyone visited any clubs in the former DDR? I have read of clubs in Leipzig, for example. Any recent visitors to Osiland (as opposed to Oesiland which stands for Oesterreich or Austria - another reason to watch those umlauts!)?
Jackyo! Yeap I totally agree with you. I heard the same things about Berlin. I somehow have managed to go to Germany on 4-5 occasions without ever having been to Berlin.... i think it is on the list for 'next to visit'... however besides Artemis I haven't heard of much about how the scene is like. I also agree that price and quality are the 2 things I am looking for - I wonder if it matches up to the level of Palace/Oase in terms of quality and Samya in terms of price and service.
The only thing about goldentriangle is that I may be limited by public transport without a car. What is the nearest major airport to them, and will I need a car to get there (might be a problem since I normally use public transport)?
I also once went to Dusseldorf - I think club was either Dolce Vita or BlueNote. Thought it was ok, until we made it to Frankfurt...
Might indeed go to Berlin, if there are any places that you gentlemen would suggest visiting/staying at I would love some tips :)
Berlin has two clubs I am aware of: La Folie and Artemis. La Folie is a small club, Artemis one of those "shock and awe" clubs. If you read the Berlin thread you will find mention of bordellos, Sexkinos and the street scene too. There is also a swingers club there (forget its name).
Don't ask me why but I've always wanted to take the U-bahn to Krumme Lanke to see what was at the end of the line.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krumme_Lanke
Read the Other FKK Club thread as there is an excellent report done recently by Toscana on Artemis and the Berlin scene.
If doing an NRW tour, Duesseldorf is the preferred airport. From there there are number of clubs which are reachable via public transportation - in fact, I've been able to do club tours without a car.
PHG in the Goldentriangle is reachable via bus from Krefeld, for example. Goldentime and Wildenrath are more difficult to get to.
Dolce Vita and Blue Note are okay but not the best that NRW has to offer. For the record, Samya is also an okay club.
... of the Weisswurstaequator. I never said there wasn't.
As a rule, quality and prices are not the same as further north.
Put another way: if you are going to Germany for the purpose of visiting clubs, have your plane land in Hessen or NRW as these two Laender are where the best activity takes place.
Gotta second Jackyo on this one. I've been to both Stuttgart clubs and you really cannot compare them to the Frankfurt or NRW clubs. Haus is ok on a good day.
Cola holds its own well but you can have Sylt. Expensive price structure and there has not been a line-up there worthy or those prices in a long time.
Flamingo Island has its moments but they are mostly centered around the days that a hot, German girl named Jil is working.
Have not been to the "new" club in Villingen Schweningen yet but I use to go to Haus Cher on occasion. I hope that Pascha is a step up.
I am holding out hope for Aida and will pay it a visit soon.
Have not been to the Ulm club or the Pforzheim club. I hope that the Pforzheim Planet has more class than their website.
There is, sure enough sex to be found in BW but the club scene is way behind Frankfurt and NRW standards. Believe me, I wish it were not so.
Cheers,
Dedalus
I hope that the Pforzheim Planet has more class than their website.
You are right on target there Ded. I wander who in the fuck is so stupid to put in sounds like "Komm und fick mich" in 80db when you enter the gallery. Guys, if you enter the site, turn off the volume if you are not in private as this is one stupid site made by bloody idiots.
Chivaz
...including Pasing, ColA, Pascha, Haus and Sylt and I have to agree with Jackyo and Dedalus. If you need to be there for other reasons, and therefore have to monger in the south, you can find a good experience at any of the clubs. Even though Munich is one of my favorite cities, for its parks, bars, beer, cars and culture it makes no sense to make a mongering trip to Bavaria.
The Hessen and NRW clubs are the place to be.
... for Make Glorious Benefit of ISG.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,418206,00.html
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