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Fats
11-21-03, 05:12
Mind Snatcher,

There was a post about Laura from the Dominican Republic on a German site which said she would do "alles ohne" or BBFS for an extra 250 Euros. Just FYI, but something to think about if you ever return to Atlantis. If it is true (I have no personal knowledge, just what I read) she could have a myriad of STDs and would be best to avoid.

Take care.

California Guy
11-22-03, 03:58
Can someone please send me a PM so I know where the various clubs are located, especially this one?

Thanks

Ramrod
11-23-03, 02:44
Hey California Guy,

Look up Kaleus web site for details and addresses of FKK clubs. The web site is posted elsewhere in this section or you could do a google search for "Kaleus"

Optimist
11-23-03, 11:08
Atlantis and World again (I have reported under the World section). Atlantis even on a Thursday has a real buzz. I stayed from 12.00 to 20.00. The daytime girls are good but whrnen the new girls come on at around 17.00 it’s like a gate from heaven has been opened (there must have been 50 girls at least) with lots of silicone tits, and enhanced lips as well as some slim natural girls.
I went with the mad Viagra (yes that’s her name) black from Brasil with great silicone tits and the firmest Brazilian ass I’ve ever seen. She did the whole thing with me on the little “stage” – I went with her a second time. There were also some other public sex couples during the afternoon but not in the evening.
Then I was picked up by German who must have got through about 12 men in the 8 hours I was there – perfectly competent service. She works there 3 days a fortnight and works in a call centre the rest of the time.
I also tried a Croatian with big hair). She was amazing – real deep penetration and coming.
Then with an Italian who barely gave 15 minutes and I was glad to get out of the room.
Generally I haven’t given names as the turnver is very high.
So why do I prefer World given the huge choice at Atlantis and the likes of Viagra?. matter of taste - and I think for a first time visit to an FKK Atlantis certainly has a wow factor simply because of the chance to see so many girls with enhanced figures.
However the changing rooms in Atlantis are really basic and not nice, the bar staff and reception are mechanical and offhand, the girls do not remember people and are always pushing you to have two girl sessions (I can understand why – the most popular girls try to help out the less popular ones) or book an hour. At Atlantis I always get at least one bad session, and the girls are more likely to be just going through the motions (although there are always some who aren’t). Also it can be so crowded you literally can’t move without bumping into people. The girls at World are in my experience more genuine, like the fucking genuinely more often and like to spend time talking to the clients before and after the session. It’s only 30 mins by car from Atlantis and I like to visit both
A follow up to the comments about fucking with no condoms. This can happen at FKKs, and should obviously be avoided. I once had the terrifying experience of the condom getting “lost” briefly during a half- hour long session – so I now check all the time – even during the most GF6 session. The other danger is in a very long session the girl can get so carried away she might just remove the condom (without telling you or trying to charge extra - this happened to me). So watch out!

Ngp477
11-29-03, 21:16
Atlantis:

WARNING::: You pay 65E to enter and 50E for each half hour. But watch out for the extra 25E charge.

It is never told to you when you enter, but if you sit with a girl and she can get her lips on your dick, CACHING! She just scored 25 Euros from you. Even if you did not want her to do suck on your dick in the couch area, and did not ask her for a 50E session upstairs, she can complain to the manager and you must pay. Beware, management is on the side of the girls.

(I told her I was not interested because I was resting from a round of sex with Rose Ann. She was a real 10 from Brazil.)

Ochella, her name was, said, "let me try to make you bigger!" She put it in her mouth, then she asked me to have sex upstairs with her. I told her I did not want sex and was resting.

I thought it was a typical trick when the girl said "You must pay me 25E or go upstairs with me for 50E." I said to her, forget it, I never agreed to pay you for that, you did it on your own.

Ochella was from Italy, so watch out for her taking advantage of you.

The manager told me "If you start sex, you must pay even if you don´t complete it. Do you expect something for nothing?" So I promptly left and went to Oasis today.

Also, there was no food at all on this Friday night at Atlantis, and they are very slow with the drinks.


The hotel around the corner was a good place for 35E. It was recommended by someone. Name is:

Hotel Zum Goldenen Boden
5 Phillip-Reis Stra.
Altenstadt-Waldsiedlung 63674

++49 6047 985163

Lover Boy #2
12-02-03, 09:53
wizard, sorcerer, everyone,

hello. i'm back! this looks like a great forum, i left the last one for obvious reasons and because i have been extremely busy making euros to spend at the clubs. i hope you have all been very well and i can see by your reports that you have been busy.

i was especially upset by this last report where a guy gets charged 25 euros because an agressive worker does a little work on his [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134). this is not the correct way to do business. i cannot believe that the management took her side, as they have to know that she does this on some regular basis. i think if you were going to leave, you should have refused payment on a shoddy piece of work, or maybe give her another 25 euros and tell her to complete the job!

what is this world coming to?

Peter
12-02-03, 20:36
I had this discussion on another forum too. In my experience most clubs tend to take the side of the custiomer and not the girl. Maybe this is because I am a native speaker. I think that maybe they side with the guys if they think they are regular customers and with the girls if they think the customer is just a one timer. So maybe the english speakers are at a disadvantage.

I also have to say that in over 300 sessions in FKK's I have only complained 3 times and twice it has gone my way. It is not normal that any of these girls try to rip you off, at least it rarely happens to me or people I know (from the german forums). Most flops are based on poor service and not on intentional scamming. this might be different for people who are obvious tourists, but it shouldn't be happening.

Peter

GandJim
12-02-03, 23:54
I was always told that, in a FKK club, if you let the girl touch your little boy, you've signed the contract. If you don't like her look, don't let her touch you.

See for example the FAQ on Kaleu's "Guide to FKK" ;) :
"Q: Can I have some smalltalk with the girls without getting stuck?
A: Sure you can, as long as you don't sit right on her lap. Seriously, if you sit next to a girl and try to do some conversation, it's fine. As soon as the girl starts touching you or vice versa, you signed the contract. If you don't want to go to the room with the girl don't touch her, point out that you just wanted to be nice and have a conversation when she starts touching you. Sun leave a little distance between the girl and you and don't overdo it regarding time for smalltalk."

The locals also told me that and it's mentioned a few times in this forum. As a tourist, I always try to follow the local rules, so I wouldn't be upset if I'm asked for 25 euros because a girl managed to give me a blowjob before I can push her away. I rather try not to upset the locals against a foreigner who does not want to follow the local rules. After all, we're in their country and they set the rules, not us.

Unwritten rules maybe, but it's supposed to be known by everybody I guess. A local explained it to me this way :"If you come from the UK, drive on the left side of the road and have an accident, don't blame anybody for not telling you that you should drive on the right side. Do your homework before coming". ;)

So, Lover Boy # 2, nothing to be especially upset about, really. :)

Lover Boy #2
12-03-03, 21:09
When you are out for a day of enjoyment and you spend a 65 Euro entrance fee, it should not be necessary to get into a pushing fight, to get a girl off your dick. This leaves a bad feeling that should not be necessary. I am very familiar with "local" rules and regulations. Although a new poster to this great forum, I was quite active on other forums for many years and it is indeed upsetting to see a visitor pushed around first by the girl, then by the management.

Wiz.....are you out there?

Pupsnu
12-05-03, 07:13
I am planning to go to Atlantis (or Oase) on 22nd of December, which is Monday. I was wondering if you think there will be enough women/action during that time.

Also, how can I be sure that clubs will even be open? They don't shut down around Christmas, do they?

Thank you

Pupsnu
12-05-03, 07:40
Everyone...please help.

I am taking a train from Amsterdam to Frankfurt. I want to stop by Atlantis on the way. Few questions:

1) What do I do with my suitcase (even though it's small...but)

2) How do I figure out exactly how to get there from Amsterdam (maybe I am stupid, but so far I can't figure it out)

3) How do I figure out how to get from there to FKK-35 via public transportation, if such is possible

4) Can anyone suggest a decent and inexpansive hotel by the airport (Frankfurt).

Thank you very much

Schweinhaxe
12-17-03, 20:07
For pupsnu,

1. I would leave your suitcase in your hotel room. The Frankfurt train station has public lockers available for a few euro.

2. Go to the Amsterdam trainstation, go to the ticket counter/office tell the person you want to go to frankfurt. they will give you all the possible options ie, 1st class, 2nd class, sleeper car, timetables etc. They all speak english and are friendly.

3. FKK 35 is not that far from the Frankfurt train station by taxi. For public transportation, do a forum search/check FKK 35 section. Directions for public transportation have been given many times there.

4. Don't know the hotels near the airport. Maybe someone else or do a forum search.

-Schweinhaxe

Dedalus
12-19-03, 18:17
Try the "NH" Hotel. It is clean and close by. You can get a good deal if you book it though the HRS website. www.hrs.de.

Have fun,

Dedalus

Member #1121
12-22-03, 23:55
Npaul

That was very unfortunate.

I don't think the 25E is a normal rule. I saw a lot of people at Oase and Atlantis getting a BJ and not leaving with the girl and.

Did you finally have a good time in Oase?

Round the World
12-23-03, 08:24
on a recent layover, i took the chance for my first fkk visit. having visited the supermarket and take out scene in madrid (flowers park and pigmalion) i was wondering how the vaunted fkks compared. in order to properly sample fkks, it appeared that both atlantis and oase burgholzhausen needed to be sampled.

thus i arrived in fra around 7pm picked up a rental from hertz and drove straight to the comfort hotel in karben and dropped off my bags. by the way, the manager there, gabriel, is quite friendly and speaks good english. he also will let you use the internet access on his computer for short periods and is glad to give directions to altenstadt. rooms are spartan but clean for 67 euro.

continued onto altenstadt. got there around 10pm and the club was fairly crowded. took some time to adjust to the whole scene: walking around in a towel while naked women roamed about for the picking.

unfortunately, my first pick turned out to be a ripoff, [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) (8.5/9/2) and her sister (7.5/7/2) from venezuela via madrid. no english, but i was able to get the point across in my limited spanish. i agreed to both girls for one hour with cif, however after one pop during the two girl oral, they asked for 50 more each for sex, at this point it was close to the end of the hour so i said no more and walked.

feeling ripped off, decided to relax take in the scenery and re-strategize. watching the action there were about 50 girls, most 7 and 8 and a handful of what i consider 9. i look for beautiful facial structure, pretty eyes, slim nubile bodies.

one girl, daisy, a tall blond from croatia in pigtails, very sexy looking, however also gave off an aura of attitude. i noticed she seemed cold toward all the patrons that night. however she was clearly one of the hotter girls in the room. talked to her shortly, good english. she wanted an extra 100 for cim and 150 for anal. was not willing to negotiate, and i moved on. it felt good to exercise the restraint saying no to a bad deal from a sexy girl.

so i watched the room so more. there was one girl with long dark hair, sexy eyes, but a body that was slightly thicker than my ideal and slightly saggy tits (not my ideal of perky). but she had me interested, but she went off with another customer.

around 2am, i started tracking a one girl who i first saw from behind. long brown hair, stunning body. make that a perfect body, slim waist, perky tits, flawless skin. then she turned around and her face had that elegant bone structure and green eyes that sealed the deal for me. literally she looked like a girl you would expect to see starring in a private movie. i watched for a while. she was not the pushy type. she seemed to stay back and talk to her friends. eventually she and her friend started gathering their things. i was afraid she was leaving so i quickly approached. she stopped and we chatted briefly, settled arrangements (50 eur for half hour with cim, or 100 eur for 1 hour, cim, two pops) and moved upstairs. her working name is lola from hungary, 20 years old. close up, she was as beautiful as from a distance. gave her massage, daty (no fingers), standing bbbj, doggy with great cat-like body motion from her, mish, spoon, great cg, more standing bbbj, then finished with me straddling her head for bbbjtc-cim. one of my best experiences ever. only downsides: no dfk, she was somewhat passive, rather more like submissive :), and no anal. overall made the trip to atlantis in the dark well worth it.

the next night i visited oase, but in retrospect, i think i prefer atlantis for the better looking girls, slightly more varied menu and the more concentrated scene. oase while having better and larger facilities often feels deserted later in the night.

Bizzie
12-27-03, 08:11
Hey guys,

Is anyone planning on going to Atlantis and/or World, Oase on 12/31 to 1/2?
I think I have the correct driving directions?

If you would like to get together to compare notes, have a drink or two, please contact me via a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Message service.

It'd be great to get together with some foru members for collective mongering.

Fats
12-27-03, 10:16
Badass,

Atlantis, Oase and World are all closed on December 31st. All three are also opening late on January 1st: Atlantis at 2PM; Oase at 5PM; and World at 6PM. Have fun!

Dedalus
12-27-03, 12:09
All three will not be open on the 31st.

Bizzie
12-30-03, 10:47
Fats,

Atlantis, Oase and World are all closed on December 31st. All three are also opening late on January 1st: Atlantis at 2PM; Oase at 5PM; and World at 6PM. Have fun!
I figured that they wont open on New Year's eve.
Will try them on the1st and 2nd.
Thanks.

Ayph
01-08-04, 20:19
Quick question.

I will be travelling to Frankfurt and be there for less than a week (1/19 - 1/23). I will be staying at:

Maritim Konferenzhotel
Darmstadt/Frankfurt

Could someone familiar with the area give me a break down on how I would use public transportation to get to Atlantis?

Thanks!

Minimus
01-11-04, 03:18
A member named whitey2 gave a detailed post on how to get there in Feb of last year. Either scroll back or do a search for the post.

Optimist
01-11-04, 20:22
the bahn.de website has an English version and will give you exact public transport timngs and routes door to door. Excellent site
If you're in Darmstadt you might find car hire the best option for Atlantis especially if you are staying there late.
I'm around World (and possibly Atlantis) on 22 and 23, staying in Giessen with a car. If you decide to go to World then let me know.

Bizzie
01-12-04, 05:36
I rented a car from Sixt. The navigation system gives you the options of "fastest or shortest' routes and also an option for 'main roads'.

My advice: pick 'main roads'. The other routes are too confusing (for a first timer).

Whitey2
01-16-04, 08:04
the easiest of the 'main roads,' to atlantis, if you've got a car, is as follows:

from the airport take a3 east until you get to a45 north (turnoff sign will say giessen). don't be fooled by the yellow-colored 45 turnout sign which is just a few km down the a3 from the airport. that's a local road and it will take you on way more of a very very slow and scenic route to nowhere than you ever thought possible. the a45 you're looking for is a fair stretch (15-20 minutes or so, depending on how lead-footed you are) to the east from the airport. a45 north goes right to altenstadt.

this route looks like a looooooong way out of the way on a map, but once you get out of the heavy-traffic regulated areas (sometimes regulated, anyway, with overhead circular red max-speed signs) you can go about a bazillion miles an hour in the left lanes and still have some german on your tail in about five minutes or so blinking his lights for you to move over and get your snail ass the hell out of his way. nascar drivers would feel right at home on the autobahns.

when you reach the altenstadt turnoff on the a45 north (it should take less than an hour total driving time from the airport), take it and at the stop sign turn left. altenstadt is about 1 km to the west. a little ways into town, just into the beginning of the downtown area, you will come to a traffic circle. circle around it and exit on the street you would take if this gizmo weren't there and you were able to just make an ordinary left turn in the first place. this street/road goes across the railroad tracks after a block or so and continues on down about 2km to where you can see the famous landmark of the rewe market (visible on the right side of the road). at that stoplight intersection turn left and follow the meandering road about 3/4 km or so to the second street. you will note that you are in a very industrial area. turn right on that street, go slowly for a couple of blocks and pretty soon you will see a sign that directs you on to atlantis. parking can be a problem if you get there late.

in the "other fkk clubs" section i am going to post directions to the relatively new x-treff club in altenstadt. if you can find the rewe market you're nearly there.

Minimus
01-22-04, 04:12
Anybody going to Atlantis/ Altenstadt this weekend?

PM me.

BodyRockerForU
01-22-04, 10:42
Hi Folks,

Was in Atlantis 10 days back ,it was a Thursday evening around 7 Pm . 30-35 Girls and equal number of men. First one I picked was Michaela (Russian) Nice face and Body ( I prefer more meat on tits , which she had ) Half hour session , BBBJ ... average , does kiss but not with passion , it is more like a formality. Sex in 2 positions , rating 7 .

I was trying to find Angelika ,as I heard lot about her from this forum. Asked few gals but ofcource they didn't tell ,guess it is a tough competition . Just b/4 I was leaving I heard a girl call another girl "Angelika" and that made me stop .... started a chat with her , she can just about manage to speak English , average looking ( which I already knew from WSG ) , small tits .... but I had to try her coz of the fantastic rating by WSG mates. Once in room She asked for 100 Euros for BBBJ+CIM, and it was the best experience of my life ..... she is totally devoted when she does it and that makes the difference.

By the way she told me to post on the net that " Angelika is looking for Love of Her Life "

Optimist
01-26-04, 13:06
At Atlantis on a Thursday in January. As has happened before I found the choice uninspired (and I failed to find Angelika) with about thirty girls. The food is the best of all the three main out of town clubs (Oase, and World) but this wasn’t what I paid entrance for.

As always there was lots of standing around in the cramped facilities and the light makes it hard to see the girls. I was thinking about leaving without action but then saw a small slight blonde (Rosie) from Brazil with medium enhanced breasts – she caught my eye so I gave it a go. She has a lovely nose (ok I know that doesn’t help you find her) No real couch action but we went to the room and I did my usual effort to make sure the girl enjoys herself. This she did – I’m not sure if she really came – I think she did and she said she did bit I’m still not sure. What I do know is that she enjoyed herself and that we lost track of the time so over-ran

I spent another hour looking for someone with the right looks and attitude but no luck. So I booked Rosie for an hour, including anal and come in mouth. When we finished she asked me if I would like to meet ther next day as well – possibly she was thinking if the money? We had an excellent hour and she kept saying how much better it was than she gets from most clients who aren’t interested in making love but just fucking. She works in Atlantis for 11 days annd then goes to Barcelona to recuperate and then comes back to Atlantis. My session with her was on the last day but one of her stint so I am really impressed she kept up the enthusiasm.

I didn’t go back on the Friday since I had such an amazing session at World (see my report) but I know from previous experience that on Friday you get extra workers in - particularly a few with a 9-5 weekday job, so Friday may well have been better than the poor Thursday showing

Dadou29
01-26-04, 19:29
I've been to Atlantis last week end and I had a really good time. I am supposed to go back next week end. Should I go there or should I try Oase ? According to the pictures on the website, Oase seems to be made for summer time. Can someone give me an advice?

Fkk Lover
01-28-04, 04:38
Shiatsu,

I know Rosie, but haven't tried her as she's not that much eye candy for me. One of her best friends who's on the same traveling schedule as her from Barcelona is Mia. Slight built, middle eastern looking, mid-length straight black hair and has 4 chinese charachters tatooed vertically down her spine.

I always have an awesome time with her, and enjoyed her company a week ago last Saturday. Did the "round the world" stuff, from the jacuzzi to the sauna to the steam room and finally to the bedroom. 3 hours of boinking which put a little ouch in my wallet.

Didn't know Rosie b4 then, but met her as we were coming out of our session upstairs, got introduced and she was freaking out when she found out I was from the same state in Brazil as she, albeit I came from the big city and she from the boondocks.

Enjoy.

Dadou29,
Over the years I have liked Oase much much more than Atlantis, but having been to both places in the last week, believe me when I tell you that Oase is definitely talent deficient right now compared to Atlantis. I'm sure they'll bounce back, but definitely not by next week.

Speedy
01-29-04, 14:23
Hi all,

Planning on visiting Atlantis next week.

From what I can see the talent is best there at the moment (out of Atlantis and Oase).
Any girls In particular I should look out for (Good and bad)?

I was in Atlantis 4 months ago and was with a spanish girl from Barcelona.

She was 10 all the way.

Amazing body with enhanced breasts, tan and a very nice face she looked like penelope cruz. She hardly spoke any english and I know she was returning home after I met her. BUT is she back?

Help, She was the one.

Fats
01-30-04, 05:01
Atlantis during the Textile Fair.

During the big trade shows there is usually a big influx of women to meet the increased demand but for some reason this wasn't the case during the textile fair. In fact, quite a few of the resident top acts were MIA. I was at Atlantis three times, Oase twice and World once. I've been going to the clubs for the last several years and I never thought I would come to this conclusion, but based on this trip, if I had to pick one club to go to, it would be Oase.

Susan from Croatia.
I was sitting on one of the couches, minding my own business, when Susan comes along and sits on my lap. The two other girls from Croatia I've had at Atlantis (Celine and Yulia) were both very good so I decided to try her as well. BIG MISTAKE. Before we were even in the room she asks if I want another girl. In this case, if you agree, you usually end up with a girl who can't get men on her own or the girlfriend of the bisexual/lesbian you are currently with. In either case, it's best to just say no. Once in the room she started telling me that she wanted anal sex. When I wouldn't go for that then she kept saying cum in my mouth. There was no kissing, no foreplay, she was very pushy and did little to conceal she was only interested in separating me from as much money as possible with the least effort. After twelve minutes she said the half hour was over and I was glad to be rid of her. Never again.

Kitty from Estonia.
The girl next door type, could lose a few pounds, but very friendly and fun to be around. She also won't kiss but otherwise was fine providing a complete thirty minutes of BBBJ and CFS for a standard 50 Euros. She wouldn't be my first choice, but I'd go with her again.

????? from Czech Republic.
Forget her name but she used to work behind the bar giving out drinks and she always sits by the bathrooms in the main room. She is 32 and has red hair beyond her shoulders. She speaks very little English but provides very good service including DFK. Her only downside is that she tends to be a bit of a clockwatcher, don't go a second over 30 minutes unless you want to pay 100 Euros. Other than that, highly recommended.

Angelika from Siberia.
There has been so much written about her here and elsewhere that I'll only add that yes, she is as good as everyone says. If you don't know her, she is 32 with shoulder length red hair, thin, and a tattoo of the devil with a trident on her ass. There are better looking woman than her at Atlantis but her service is second to none.

Just a quick word about FKK World. World Sucks! I was there on a Tuesday afternoon and there were only about 10 women and even fewer customers. Based on the size of the average woman there I propose a name change to FKK Jenny Craig. The facilities are top notch but would you rather have Heidi Klum in a Motel 6 or Roseanne Barr in a suite at the Ritz?

Speedy
01-30-04, 20:12
Hi,

Going to Frankfurt this Thursday (5th February).

I am flying to Hahn.

I will be renting a car and thinking of going to both Atlantis and Oase.

I have already been to Atlantis In the past so I thought I would test out Oase.

How far by driving are they from Hahn?

And how far is Atlantis from Oase?

Which is easier to go to first?

Are they both worth the visit in one day?

Many thanks

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to capitalize the word "I". To avoid future delays, please use a capital "I" to refer to yourself in future reports. Thanks!

Member #1121
01-31-04, 06:22
Fats,

I concur with you on the fact that Oase is slightly better. Oof course everyone has different experiences and before going to the FKK's I also thought Atlantis would be amazing, as so many posts have stated here. unfortuntaly, I went around the first week of September, when things were slow so I can't really say if Atlantis was good or bad, but it certainly was not as happenening as it normally is. I liked the kino room in Oase and the mini strip show that they sometimes put up at around 1am or so.

Is FKK World populated with more women on Friday/Saturday nights?

But all in all FKK's rule.

I certainly had a great time when I went there.

It is unfortunate that girls like Susan as you are spoiling the FKK's reputation.

GandJim
01-31-04, 19:48
Am just back from Atlantis, Oase and World and fully agree with Fats' s posting. I was more happy with Oase this time. Just a couple of comments about the girls at Atlantis.

Kitty from Estonia
I was with her last summer. As it was for the first time, I asked her if she kisses because that's what I'm looking for. She said yes and she did passionately. No problem at all. I was very happy, so I picked her again last Monday. Gave me a BBBJ on the couch and off we go for the room. I didn't asked again about DFK as I know she did. Big mistake, she no longer does as Fats pointed out. I asked why and she said she was tired (and honestly I think she was. Too many customers for too little girls, as Fats also pointed out).
OK, lesson learned, I'll have to ask the girl again each time. :( (although I don't think it would have changed anything for Kitty that night, as there were lot of customers lining up waiting for her to be free anyway).

Laura from Kazakhstan
She's back !!!! I was in despair when she left 7-8 months ago, and it was a real good surprise to see her again. If you're like me and want to "sample" a girl from as much nationality as possible in your life, here is your chance (how many of your fellow punters can claim to have been with a Kazakhstan girl ? ;) ). In addition, she's beautiful. The perfect mix. Asian face with fierce slanting eyes and European white and soft skin. One of the best body I've ever seen. A real Mongolian princess. Customers are lining up for her and she was always "ambushed" on her way back from the room and never made it to the main salon.

Otherwise, it seems that the Russian, Ukrainian and Belarussian girls still have difficulty getting their visas. They are not back yet. Many girls from Southern Europe (Bulgaria, Romania).

GandJim

Catalyst
01-31-04, 20:06
I had a nice visit to Atlantis on a Friday night. There was a good selection of girls and the three who I saw all had a great attitude. Also check out my posts for FKK World (best club in Germany), X-treff (interesting), and Oase (very disappointing).

Most of the facilities are concentrated in one large room, and walking into this room at the start of an evening is a wonderful experience. There is a tropical theme, with a huge irregular swimming pool, Jacuzzi, a mixture of open seating areas and more intimate ones behind the bar, and rocky landscaping around the edges of the room, including in some huge showers behind the bar and around a large public bed at one end of the room. Most of the room is visible s soon as you step in the door and it all hits you at once. The various facilities don’t leave a lot of room to stand, and there were 100 or more people when I arrived, about half whom were naked women. I’ve only been to Atlantis once before and I was there early in the afternoon, so I don’t know how it compared to other nights, but I was happy with the selection.

Mia, Iranian, Age 21 (?), 9.

I was interested in trying out the public bed, so I asked a couple of girls to join me, but they all said either no or that they wanted extra. Mia is gorgeous; she has a beautiful face and long flowing curly black hair, so I didn’t have high hopes when I asked her about sex in public, but to my surprise she agreed. Unfortunately two guys were lying on the bed when we got there. So we sat down on a nearby sofa and kissed and she blew me. I asked her for a condom, but she said she didn’t want to do it on the sofa because there wasn’t enough room. She kind of had a point, but I was no a little annoyed that she seemed to be reneging on what we had agreed. I asked her if we could do it on the bed if these guys would move, and she said ok, so we asked them if they would mind letting us use the bed for sex, and they could sit on the sofa in front of us and watch if they liked, and I was quite surprised when the selfish bastards said no. They offered to move over a bit and give us a small space next to them, but they were a couple of lowlife a--holes and I didn’t want to be anywhere near them.

I was a little disappointed to be going to the room, but I felt much better once I saw that she hadn’t been tricking me about the public sex, and now I was getting excited about being with her. On the sofa she had been fabulous - kissing and blowing me and being absolutely charming the whole time. She speaks fluent English, German, French, and Spanish and probably other languages as well that I didn’t ask about.

When we got to the rooms there was a line of about four couples. I sat on a bench to stake out our place and she sat in my lap and began kissing me wildly; none of the other guys in line were so lucky. When we got to the room she was fabulous. The kissing was like between young lovers who had been apart. We did bbbj, 69, and sex in various positions. While I was inside her she told me how much she loved having dicks inside her, and how one a day wasn’t nearly enough. I finished with cim and she gave me lots of post-cum head. Afterwards we cuddled and chatted for a short while, even though I had already spent a long time inside her. She told me she lived in Spain and would go back in 1 day, and I think she had no plans to return. She was fabulous. I gave her 120.

Daria, Slovakian, Age 22, 8.

I still wanted to try the public bed, and after a couple of failed tries Daria agreed. She is beautiful, with shoulder length straight red hair, nice tight skin, and a great chest. On the bed she was fabulously uninhibited. The kissing was terrific, and we did bbbj, 69 and sex in different positions. I don’t know what the time was but it seemed that we must have spent at least a half hour on the bed. She was great, and I gave her 60. Afterwards it was fun when some of the girls I had asked earlier commented on my performance.

Alexandria, Russian, Age ?, 8.

I asked Alexandria if she wanted to make love on the public bed and she said yes. I double checked when we got there to make sure she understood what I wanted, since languages were a bit of a problem for us, and she said yes. As I had now become accustomed to at Atlantis, the kissing and the bbbj were wonderful. Then she said ok, we go to the room now? I said what?, no, we were going to do it here. She said no way. It seemed like it must have been a trick, since even given the language barriers I thought it had been pretty clear what was expected. So I told her that I had asked her about this and if she didn’t want to do it I would give her 20 and we could stop. I expected a catfight, but I was stunned when she said that we could stop and I didn’t have to give her any money at all! I kind of regret not taking her up to the room after this generous gesture, but I now saw another girl I was interested in, so we stopped, but I went and got her a 20 anyway.


It was now 3 AM. I sat by a beautiful girl who had waved to me earlier and I had declined because I had just finished with Mia and wanted to rest for a short while. Then afterwards she had always been busy. But now when I sat with her she acted bored and looked at her watch. I said “it’s late, isn’t it?” And she said yes, so I got up. Just before this a large group of muscular guys had entered the club and I later saw her with one of them, so I guess she was saving herself for them. Maybe she just thought that sex with them would be better, or maybe they are regulars or are big spenders.

I really liked Atlantis, mainly for the beauty and attitude of the girls I saw (which matter much more than anything else about a club), and also for the nice facilities. There are also a couple of drawbacks, in my opinion. The first is the clientele. While there are plenty of perfectly nice people there were also a few lowlifes who I saw being rude to the guests and the other girls, something I have seen hardly at all in other clubs. At one point I saw a girl giving a nice blow job and I sat down on the sofa opposite to watch, but suddenly I was overwhelmed by the guy’s BO and I left. There also seemed to be a higher proportion of unattractive people – overweight, very old, or creepy in some way. I suppose I shouldn’t judge since I don’t know what people would say about me, but I find it a turnoff to see gorgeous women with very unsexy men. I don’t usually care what the man looks like and I don’t mind seeing ordinary men with a girl who they wouldn’t be able to get in real life, but at some point the man’s appearance matters.

The women don’t move about the room much; many of them stake out a particular spot and stay there the entire evening except when they are with a man. This seems unnatural and makes me feel a little like I am picking vegetables at the supermarket rather than meeting girls at a club. I wish they would mingle a little more.

When I went to a room there was a line of about four couples. I was fortunate to have a girl who acted like we were already in the room while she was waiting with me, but I could see that the other four guys were not. Waiting for a room really reminds you that you are paying for sex and not getting lucky with a beautiful naked girl you just met at a regular club.

I’ve read good reports about the buffet at Atlantis, but in two visits I’ve never seen it because they don’t offer it all the time (like they do at FKK World). They did seem to have a restaurant, however, so it looked like you can always get food if you are spending the whole evening there.

Overall I though Atlantis was great, mainly because of the girls. Some recent posts said that things have been below average lately, so I look forward to even better times on my next visit.

Carnal1
02-01-04, 16:00
Grand Jim,

On a personal note, how do you justify DFK with a girl who admitted being tired from all the BBBJ action she had been performing prior to your session.. YKES !

Last month at PHG, I enjoyed a session with the BBBTCCIM, alot of accryonyms. LOL. Then watched as she DFK'd quite a few of the "older" regulars that just hang out at the bar. Yuck.

NO freakin way, whats up with needing to kiss a girl that badly that you would swap sperma from a bunch of punters via a DFK.

If everyone used a condom at the FKK's I could "barely" imagine it, but as we all know, that is not the case, and is one of the reasons we go there, right?

Just my .02 Euros

Round the World
02-02-04, 09:10
Had my second visit to Atlantis last Friday night. My first visit in December proved to me Atlantis' advantage over Oase. In particular, I was looking forward to seeing Hungarian Lola again.

Alas, this past Friday night, Lola was nowhere to be found. But I still had three fantastic sessions with beautiful women.

First round was with Laura from Kazakhstan. It was 6:30 and she had just gotten there at 6, so I think it was her first session. As GandJim has noted earlier, she is a stunner. Tall blond, glamorous face, perfect upturned breasts, heart shaped ass and the thinnest waist I've ever seen on a woman. I was drinking tea on the red couches when she turned to face me from the circular bench. Our eyes met and I waved her over. Started off on the couches just to make sure she wasn't an ice queen. She doesn't speak much English, but she was very attentive and gave a great BBJ with plenty of spit and some ball licking. Up to the room and it was all fine (69, doggy, mish, etc.) I went for the hour and two shots. We wrapped up, I gave her 120 and planned to visit her again before the night was through.

Then I ordered a pizza (not bad at 6.50 for a large), waited 40 minutes, then ate. While digesting, I surveyed the possibilities. There was a tall blond with a few pink stripes in her hair tied in a pony tail. Pretty face and great smile. She'd flashed me her smile while I was contemplating her from a distance. But alas, a big fat hairy guy approached her and they chatted briefly and then started DFK'ing while standing near the bar. It was very arousing watching her make out , as long as I could mentally remove the image of the dude with the hairy back.

Onto the next prospect, there was yet another tall beauty. A brunette with blue eyes and a beautiful face, great breasts and a nice figure. Overall she could have been a model. I had seen her earlier walking off with a short Japanese guy (I'm Asian myself but 5'11'') and the contrast was amusing. Later, around 11:30 I approached her. Her name was Olga from Belorussia. Her English was decent and she had a surprisingly, energetic personality. We headed to the couches and she asked what I wanted. With the vision of the blond with pink stripes in my head, I told her I wanted some kissing. This surprised Olga but she complied with some LFK that transitioned into a nice BBJ. Up to the rooms, and had a nice 69, mish and finish in doggy. From doggy, I could really tell from the length of her torso that she was quite a tall girl (probably 6 ft or more). Strangely enough, she refused to do cowgirl even when asked.

So planning for my last round, I had been thinking about another lap with Laura, but I noticed she had been busy almost continuously all night. I think I counted her going off with another 5 or six blokes during the course of the night. When the clock past 3am, I had to make my choice and was about to approach her when first she brushed off a short Italian dude, then hooked up with another guy. I guess I'll have to catch her early next time.

So my next two prospects were a meidum height redhead with a killer body (Angelika I think) and petite dark haired girl who I thought was South American by her looks. I chose the dark haired girl. It turns out she was Thai by the name of Nina. I believe there were some posts raving about her a few months ago on this board as very GFE and I completely agree. On the couches I told her I want some kissing and she immediately stuck her tongue in my mouth for a nice DFK session. She doesn't provide BBJ action on the couches, but up in the room she put in a great effort on the BBJ. Unfortunately I think she used a little too much of her teeth for my tastes, but an A for effort. On the mish, cowgirl and doggy she was very enthusiastic and continued the DFK during the acts. After my shot, she removed the condom and cleaned me up. Then she offered a nice massage until closing time. Extremely nice person and a fantastic GFE experience.

So overall, I reconfirmed my faith in Atlantis on this trip. Hope to make it back there again as soon as possible.

Peter
02-02-04, 23:12
speedy,

once and for all hahn is not frankfurt and ryan air is not an airline, they are a lie machine.

peter

Speedy
02-03-04, 01:39
Hi Peter,

Thanks for your advice.

In this case It Is alot cheaper for me to do It with them.

With BA The cost Is £120.

With Ryan Air £30+£12 for a Rental car =£42.

Thats a saving of £78.

So I dont mind driving 1.5 hours to Frankfurt Main.

Thanks anyway.

By the look of the posts below It looks like Atlantis here I come.

Minimus
02-03-04, 04:17
Just some bits on my short trip to Atlantis. Spent the whole weekend in the club. Just to say, I agree with the posters on Olga, the tall redhead from Belarus. She is hot & gives good service. Also, Nicoletta, a petite blonde from Romania who always seems to be at the bar. Nice, but not great service.

I really liked Claudia, a very cute half German half Tunisian girl. DFK, good wet BBBJ and enthusatic sex. Another of my favorites was Arabella, a blonde Bulgarian girl. She'll find you before you find her as she is one of the few girls who's a bit more aggressive and will approach you. She really isn't special to look at, but she makes up for her lack of great looks by DFK, a really good wet, BBBJ with good ball licking 69, DATY and enthusiastic FS. Swallowing is also on the menu with her.

The worst service I got was from Susan, a tall attractive Croatian. She is one of the more popular girls there so YMMV. She first tried to get me into a twosome with her 'sister'. I politely declined. She then gave me rushed service, with the attitude of "OK come on, cum now...No you can't kiss me anymore" Impatient teeth sucking bullshit.

There is a very pretty blonde Danish girl, about 5'7''. Also good BBBJ, 69 and FS. And as she was given me really good BBBJ, asked ever so sweetly if I wanted to finish in her mouth.

I'll be heading back later this month.

RedDog
02-03-04, 11:16
had a trip to atlantis

Maybe 3 weeks ago great Ukraine girl Lika she was only there for a short time but i think she will pop back in from time to time. very good service.

yesterday cuban girl betty service was good and she was very nice to speak with as well as look at if you liker the pettie type. She also seems to enjoy the sex more than most of the girls there.

and a very bad time witht a greek girl i forget her name very rushed no GFE at all it was one of the worst expearances ever at atlantis she has long black curly hair doen to her ass and very long alim figure. i would stay away but as they say one mans trash is a others treasure.

and as a suprise bonus Angelika the russian from siberia never a bad time one of the best in my opinion.

ps the free food is only on some days i forget al of them but i think sunday monday and thursday for sure. it is ok but nothing to write home about.

GandJim
02-03-04, 16:44
reddog,

the greek girl must be linda. she's a friend of kitty from estonia and they do double. good english and fun to talk to. she was so so with me, not good, not bad, although she has a nice body.

agree with everybody for olga from belarus. man, she's tall. i don't like going with girls taller than me but i made an exception for her (in fact twice, and "ready to go" for a third time :)), and i don't regret it !

agree also for arabella from bulgaria. she just changed her haircut, and looks quite funny. i think she should change her haircut again ;). she's the opposite of olga, very small. look like a child, but very good service.


speedy,

late reply to your post before last : oase and atlantis (and world) are all within 15mn driving distance. atlantis is my preferred club but, last week, selection was no longer what it used to be so i jumped in my car and went to oase, where selection was better (maybe because there are more new faces for me ;)).

GandJim
02-03-04, 16:56
Carnal1,

I don't have a problem with that :). You can say the same for kissing her breasts, DATY or whatever.

Girls are supposed to take a shower and wash their mouth (both ;)) after each session. If you're unsure, send her to take another shower.

GandJim

Speedy
02-04-04, 10:42
Hi All,

Less than 24 hours left.

If anyone Is going to be there tommorrow and wants to meet up let me know.

RedDog
02-04-04, 11:38
Ok to be fair the greek woman (maybe linda) was OK she did what you expect her to do. but she was not really into it. And for me that is what i want. And most times it is what i get. if i just want a uninterested fuck and suck form a girl i will find a SW or a eros center and pay the same with no entrance fee. I dont like to be mae to feel like I am forcing her to have sex with me. Beleive me I understand that the girls may not like there work but that is not my fault. they should go back to waiting tables i guess!!

Speedy
02-06-04, 13:29
Ok,

My trip to Atlantis on Thursday.

Flight to Hahn £22.
Car rental 22 euros (with insurance)
Petrol for 400 kms 12 euros.
Entrance to Atlantis 65 euros
4 Girls 180euros (3 at 50 each 1 at 30)

Total cost 214 euros and £22.

Arrived In Hahn collected my skateboard (Smart car).

Went straight to Frankfurt.
At Frankfurt I looked for the rotelhaus In taunstrasse.
It did not take long to find, I just headed for the main station.

The area Is horrible.

Drug addicts, Paramedics seeing to people that have collapsed In the street etc.

Anyhow I arrived at approx 12am and went to 32 taunstraase.

Out of approx 40 rooms only 3 were open.

Had a session with the best looking there, her name was Monica from Columbia.

Physically a 6 nothing great but needed to start the day out.

She insisted on clamping her fingers aroung by penis whilst I was pumping her. Would never go back to this area again.

ATLANTIS

Arrived about 3 pm.
Selection was decent but nothing caught my eye.
Around 25 girls and 25 guys.
Usual 65 euros entrance.

CARMEN
Having looked around the cutest girl i saw was German.
Her name was Carmen. Small breasts (not as small as some of them there). Her body was good a 7-8 but what caught my attention was her smile/lips and face. She was cute.
But for some reason she seems very shy and stays in the corners behind the bar.
She doesnt seem to have any friends there.
In the room she was good.
Kissed alot, BBBJ was good.
You could touch her but not penetrate with fingers.
Body-7 Look-7 Sex-7 GFE- 8

SOPHIE
Wow! she Is back! The woman of my dreams.
See previous reports she Is the spanish one.
I saw her and we recognised each other Immediately.
She now has shoulder length blond hair with brown streaks.
Enhanced breasts, amazing figure and penelope cruz breasts.
Her English as improved since my last visit.
She seems to hang around the middle part on the stairs (where the circle seating area is.)
In the room she is great. She uses her teeth slightly on BBBJ and you can kiss her. She Is there until Feb 20th. Pay her a visit and you will know what I mean.
Body-10 Look-10 Sex-9 GFE- 9

Daisy
After speaking to a regular punter In Atlantis he pointed out who Is who. We were talking when 2 girls (one of them constantly smiling at me throughout the day) came and sat on the sofa we were leaning on.

The started talking to us when she grabbed my fella from under the towel and started hand relief. Whilst she was doing this I was asking my new freind what Is she like. He replied "she is professional, dont expect to last long". As Daisy spoke good english and was game I decided to take her, (even though they insisted on double teaming on me).
When I agreed they both tried to give me a BBBJ on the couch, I stopped them and said only one.

So, in the room she was like a girl that knew what she was doing. Immediately two prices were give. 50 euros foe sex and bbbj and 50 extra for come in mouth. I opted for standard service.

She started with BBBJ with lots of saliva, I have to admit she was good. She Immediately spun around to enable DATY and within 4 minutes of BBBJ I needed a condom otherwise i was ready to explode. Her Idea Is to make you come In her mouth so you have to pay 100 euros.

After a brief fucking I came and said my good byes to Atlantis then got lost for 2 hours on the motorway back to Hahn!

Body-7 Look-7 Sex-10 GFE- 9

Jenbach
02-18-04, 23:45
GandJim / reddog:

During our first four visits to Atlantis, my colleague from Germany and I, were regular patrons of Linda from Greece. She made a great double team with Kitty from Estonia. But, lately the service from Linda has been very average. She just sits by the pool, chain smoking, with a blank look on her face, all day long. With all of the available talent at Atlantis, today, it is really not worth investing our hard earned monies with Linda.

And, I have not seen Kitty in Atlantis for many months now. Do you know if she is back from Estonia? She spoke English well and gave a superb, sloppy BBBJ.

Cheers!

ChicagoMan

High Tech
02-19-04, 04:36
Visit To Atlantis on Valantine's Day:

This was interesting as they had a Fasching Party on that day and it was packed! Have been to Oase before and I have to say Atlantis was really happening. A lot of really hot girls but most of them only work on Friday or Saturday's when it's really busy.

Started with a Polish girl from Krakow with green eyes. 8 performance and took about 20 minutes in different positions. 50 Euro. Apparently she works in Frankfurt and only works 1-2 days there. She was really tight and good oral, however not much kissing.

Then I saw a real hot looking girl and approached her. We chatted a bit. Her name was Johanna from Darmstadt. She is working only one day a week and was only 20. As she really turned me on we had long session with CIM for 100 euro.

Worth every penny as she treated me really nice.

Perhaps a bit packed that day but overall better selection of girls compared to Oase. Entry was euro 65. I have to note that I found the Oase staff more helpful though.

Assimil
02-19-04, 17:40
speedy,

useful report, but can you tell me please how did you find a 20 euros car?

the cheaper that i found is 69.

:-) but it's just a car.

checking this out.

https://www.hertz.it/part/site/ryanair/index.cfm

bye

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Ortos
02-19-04, 21:54
As to Kitty of Estonia: in late Jan and early Feb, she was at Atlantis almost every night! Often standing next to the Medusa Linda. Oh she's back alright. And you are dead on about Linda: don't waste your time, money or sperm...

I don't know if things have now picked up for the better at Atlantis for good, but back about two-three weeks ago, specifcally in the last part of January, Atlantis' girl selection was, well, pretty bad some nights. At that time, Oase seemed to have better selection, and even World proved much more interesting in terms of girl line-up than Atlantis. In fact my last visit to World two Sat nights ago was superb!

I'd like to hear more reports about the girl selection at Atlantis towards the end of February, i.e over the next week or so. I have encountered the theory that towards the end of the month, many girls do not work Atlantis, opting to come at the start of the month just after all the pay checks are issued and cashed. Anybody shed light on this?

Wry Cooter
02-19-04, 22:26
Assimil,

Try www.sixt.de for super cheap cars. some of them don't look too much like cars but I like smart cars. no navigation system though.

I'm going to be in Germany in March. Plan on going to Koln and Dusseldorf for cocoon on sun 3/14, Parksauna Wildenrath on mon 3/15, and Planet Happy Garden on Tues 3/16. I also plan on seeing the Dom, drinking kolsch and perhaps going to a winery and buying some riesling.

Then we go to FKK World on Thurs 3/18, Oase on Fri 3/19, and Atlantis on Sat 3/20. It should be a great week. Maybe I'll see some of you over there.

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Ronnie
02-19-04, 23:32
I was in Atlantis on the Valentines day and the selection of girls was not IMHO as it used to be. It seems that a lot of the regular east europeans I used to know were gone, and that they were replaced by new ones.

The selections was ok, but it was very crowdy on that Saturday. The girls seemed happy by the good business that day, but from now on I will prefer to come on other days than Saturday.

I had 3 very nice sessions. The best was with a very charming Turkish girl. She was only 21 and her name was Sibel. Very good GF experience

But still Atlantis scores high but after reading the previous reports, I might visit World on my next trip

Lover Boy #2
02-20-04, 07:41
I don't know if I would go as far as to refer to Linda as a "Medusa", but there has been a definite troubled look on her face recently. I spoke to her about this and she had the usual statement in that she doesn't have any fun working and just wants to work and then go home. As you guys probably realize, she is sick of this job and is only sucking the last few Euros out at this point. I am friendly with her and we have an outside friend in common, so I had as close to a GFE as can be expected. But, I feel sorry for the visitor who just makes a pick and goes to the room with her. You are in for a very cold, unfeeling, non-GFE experience, 50 Euros down the drain. She does have a beautiful face, body posture and hairstyle, so it is too bad she has gone the way of many of the girls of the past. Such is life!

Assimil
02-20-04, 15:00
As I understood reading various reports, on Friday and Saturday, is very crowded, there are more beauties, but they are also more "tired".

On the other hand, during the week, few customers, but also few girls, and what is worse, not so stunning but low average beauty, right?

So, I'm guessing, which is the best day to go, wich is the right compromise?

Ortos
02-20-04, 20:20
Best nights at Atlantis would perhaps be a subject of debate. But clearly Sun thruough Tues are NOT the nights to go. I think the negative aspects of weekend nights are maybe more acute on Sat nights than on Fridays. Fridays can be good. But I always fancied Thurs nights at Atlantis myself.


LB2:
As for Linda, personally I would definitely relate her to a Medusa. And, although --gods by thanked-- I never had the bad judment to go to a room with her, I have spoken with her and she gave off signs of being a complete *****. And all your comments about her seem to confirm this. If she is really so tainted and tired by this hobby, why on earth does she still work. Hang it up, babe. Go do something else! She's just ripping people off. She is somebody who obviously dislikes men, so all punters should be warned off. That's just my two cents...

Lover Boy #2
02-21-04, 11:47
Unfortunately, the money factor is one that a lot of these girls cannot fight. They become bitter, but the money keeps them working. When someone makes a pick like this, you have to just move on after paying your 50. Lucky you were smart enough or experienced enough to move on.

On another note, I have seen guys go with an obvious sex change individual and have a great time (although they didn't know what they picked and it is my opinion that these types should not be working at Atlantis), so go figure. Caveat Emptor!

Mind Snatcher
02-23-04, 00:06
Prices seem to be going up here. Two years ago I seem to remember everyone charged 50 euros per half hour, but many of the girls I've been with recently were asking for an extra 20 to go in the jacuzzi or sauna, and the half hour turned into an hour after just a few minutes. Many little things cost extra these days. Not surprising really, since 50 euros doesn't get you that far in Germany. But it might be better if they put the charge up to 70 euros and insisted on the girls staying with you for a full 30 minutes and not asking for top-ups all the time. Just a thought ...

Peter
02-23-04, 01:52
Mind Snatcher,

Worst idea of all time!

They have a price structure and girls are not allowed to decide for themselves to veer from that. Instead of expanding the rules to make all transgressions OK, you should report any girls trying to make their own price scheme to the woman at the counter, and post such things on this forum as well as any others you are on. Well run clubs crack down on this sort of thing. At PHG or Wildenrath if girls come up with their own pricing scheme you just say it at the desk and they make the woman refund the difference, otherwise they will refund it and ask the lady to leave if it happens often. I have seen this happen.

The reason FKK's work and get repeat customers is because of the predictable and reliable pricing system. Girls cannot veer from it. Things like Sauna or Jacuzzi should be that the girl can either decide to do it or not, but not come up with new charges.

The best method is to refuse to book girls who want up charges, and to report them at the desk. If you notice it happening often, ask to see the manager. If you stil notice it happening head to one of the other clubs. there is a lot of competition out there among the clubs and the girls and only the well run ones keep their customers.

Peter

Assimil
02-23-04, 14:31
Thanks Wry Cooter.

Thanks Ortos.

HectorG
02-24-04, 06:18
I know you men have said that it's dead Sunday-Tuesday. But just HOW DEAD is it? I'm going to be in Frankfurt next month, unfortunately only for those days of the week. How many girls on those days? Age range/look scale?

Thank you.

Ortos
02-24-04, 13:10
As of three weeks ago, the situation on Sun-Tues was something like this:

On Sun - Tues, I noticed about 30% to 50% fewer girls. Some of the so-called superstar girls do not show up. But there is usually the core of regulars or girls that stay at Atlantis and they are there virtually every night. To be fair, there are also fewer male guests, so this can work both ways. There will be less competition and maybe little to no waiting for rooms; on the other hand, alot of the girls just don't bother working these days because there are fewer punters. However, the situation on these days is esp. bleak when you go to Atlantis later in the evening/early morning, say, 23.00-03.00. Then it is dead. Maybe Sunday afternoons/early evenings are better, since there may well still be girls from Koln/Dusseldorf/Dortmund, etc. who came down to work the weekends.

The main point is that if you have a choice, the best days are Thurs - Sat.

NastyBoy
02-24-04, 18:40
Ortos,

Can you contrast FKK World for those days as well?

NB

Ortos
02-24-04, 22:58
I went to World three times a few weks ago. Twice I went on Saturdays; both Saturdays proved to be good to very good in terms of girl selection, girl vs male guest ratio, and overall ambviance. I actually started to prefer it to Atlantis on a Saturday night. The other night was a Friday, which was identical to Saturday. World seemed to me to be a club on the rise.

Now how does it stack up to Atlantis on a Sunday - Tues night?
Well, probably Atlantis would have greater selection and numbers. But there seems to be a nice core at World which I don't if they are there every day. Hit or miss.

One good thing is: If you go to Atlantis and just can't find what you're looking for, you can always just drive 15 minutes up the A45 and then exit at Fernwald and you are ten minutes from World.

NastyBoy
02-25-04, 15:58
Thanks Ortos,

I was at Atlantis last September and the selection was slim. I attributed it to summer vacation still in progress. The attraction for me to World is the facilities, but I'm also looking for the babes.

My first visit to Atlantis last April was outstanding, but I haven't been able to duplicate the experience. I spent the Christmas holidays in Dusseldorf, but again the selection was slim. Christmas vacation this time, I suspect. I'm beginning to think the best time of the year for visiting FKK clubs is in the spring. I'm planning another visit next month, but will only be there Monday thru Wednesday. So, I guess the best thing to do is take the little drive further north if Atlantis isn't meeting it's high standards.

I'm just wondering where all those fine Russian women are.

NB

Ortos
02-25-04, 20:18
Nasty,

I think you'll find both Atlantis and World are picking up now. Indications are that the girl selection is getting a little better than it was during most of December and January. I certainly observed a visible improvement between the last week in January and the first week of Februay.

As for Russian girls (and allow me to use the term "Russian girls" to include girls from Belarus, Ukraine as well as Baltic country girls): I think you 'll find that they are represented at Atlantis, if not in the overpowering numbers of last year, certainly in sufficient quantities to enjoy a good selection. There was a very nice contingent of Russian/Ukrainian girls at World as well the first week of Feb! Worth checking out...

Minimus
02-26-04, 04:42
Just was in Atlantis last weekend and can say that there are plenty of girls from the former Soviet Union. One of my new favorites is Michaela, pronounced with a soft c. She is a blonde ever so-slightly chubby girl from the Ukraine. She gives a good session. She hangs out with Olga, the redhead from Belarus and another fun redhead, albeit slightly mature from the Ukraine. All three were fun to be with.

Again, Arabella is fantastic. Had a great session with her. Had to have her for an hour. She is going back to Bulgaria on vacation shortly. Another fun girl is the dark skinned Thai woman (and I do mean the woman, not the one that I suspect is a post-op TV who I avoided like the plague). Lika, previously covered was really fun.

Here are the ones to avoid. Monica, a 30 yo, big-butt blonde Brazilian. She was hanging out with a black Brazilian woman, who my buddy thought was just fantastic, with a hot mouth. Neither of them speak English. Anyway, Monica tried to get me to pay 100e, because she said I spent more than a half hour with her. I knew I hadn’t, so I didn’t pay.

Tall, older blonde Russian woman. She has big hair, big butt & tits. Wears a belt of rings around her waist. She kept asking if I wanted to fuck her ass. After my refusal, she asked iot I would put oil over her tits. My instinct told me it was a 50 Euro trick so I refused. I msut say I had doggy-style fun, grabbing the rings as if they were reins. When I was finished, she rips the rubber off me so quickly it surprises me. She was trying to conceal the fact that she was bleeding. Avoid.

German/ Turkish brunette. This girl is really cute with really nice breasts and shoulder length wavy hair. You can tell it is her because she claims to be a film student. Doesn’t kiss much at all and give a boring time.

Lastly, there is a tall friendly, hot, outgoing brunette, who sits on the apron across from the bar usually with her cheeks spread in the air. She is very statuesque, with large silicone tits and a big butt. He will ask you if you want an hour or a half an hour once you get in the room. She’ll also tell you how much she ‘loves’ cum. I wished I had given it to her. She doesn’t give bad service but the constant effort to drain more cash out of you gets annoying.

NastyBoy
02-26-04, 17:11
Minimus,

Thank u. The information on the Russian girls is music to my ears. Hope they are there on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday night.

I was especially fond of Laura from Kazakstan and Angelika from Siberia.

Ortos,
Thanks as well. Will definately hit both clubs. That's very good news.

NB

RedDog
02-26-04, 17:56
I was at Atlantis wensday
russian girls in full effect. including angelika. lots of girls i never saw on the weekend. and they all wear underwear on this day. no waiting for rooms no waiting for girls i think wensday maybe my new favorite night.

Lanrac
02-26-04, 21:12
I will traveling from Pragueand visiting Atlantis and Oase for the first time March 18 and 19th, heading to PHG for a return visit Saturday, then up to Amsterdam and Alkmaar to end my visit. Anyone going to be in Frankfurt those days and wants to have a beer or two, or three let me know. I would like to check out World as well, may need a car to do all three.

Regards from Sunny Arizona

Lanrac

Ortos
02-26-04, 21:53
Nasty,

I during my multiple visits to Atlantis a few weeks ago, I only saw Laura one night, a Weds or Thurs night if memory serves. Angelika, however, was there quite a bit, even during the slow early week nights. I believe you will be in luck.

Red Hawk
02-27-04, 12:44
Lanrac,

I will be there on 19-21 and will be in World on 19, would be nice to see you there. Im not staying in frankfurt this time but in a hotel near to the clubs, so maybe I'll have to turn you down on the beer, but be nice to see in world and exchange notes.

RedHawk

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NastyBoy
02-28-04, 06:07
Reddog & Ortos,

That's great news. It's good to hear two of my faves are still there. Looking forward to it.

NB

TravelMen
02-29-04, 19:11
Can you describe Angelika, I think I know her.

But if it's the same two, I thought Angelika was from Kazakstan (Tashkent) about 24 years old, not much English, and her friend was from Siberia, fluent English but not as attractive.
I shall be there in May.

Red Hawk
03-01-04, 13:03
Hello People,

I have had a few Private messages relating where to stay when visiting Atlantis. although many people go via hrs.de, but often people travelling first time often find it difficult knowing whats where.

Just some info on the hotel I normally stay at, its called "Zum Schwarzen Adler" and is actually in Altenstadt and only a few mins drive to Atlantis. the hotel is on a high street full of shops coffee shops, restauants etc so finding food isnt to much of a problem. If your like me and dont care much for german food then this hotel is a good find as there is a chinese near by and other too.

The price of a single room is 60 Euros and Double room is 80 Euros.

Web site for hotel:

http://www.zum-schwarzen-adler-altenstadt.de

RedHawk

Peter
03-01-04, 15:13
Angelika is not from Kazakstan. She is russian 31 years old red hair and a small devil tatto on her butt. She is from Oemsk to be specific. She does not lie about her age or where she comes from. She was voted as the best prostitute in Germany on a geman board in 2002 and in 2003 she came in second. She is not a real great looker, but her service is impeccable.

Peter

NastyBoy
03-01-04, 15:38
Peter,

Thanks for clearing that up. The Angelika I met was short, brunette, beautiful, and 21. She spoke absolutely zero English. but she did have that little devil tattoo on her ass. I asked her if her name was Angelika, and I think she said yes. She was Russian, from Siberia. She also carried a little purse around with a picture of Nastasja Kinsky on it. She was good, so I thought I had the number one pro, but I guess not.

Laura was from Kazakhstan. Blonde, beautiful, big tits, 23.

Both girls gave great gfe.

NB

Dadou29
03-01-04, 17:11
Hi everybody,

I've been to Atlantis several times lately. I had a great time each time I was there. I often talk on the phone with a girl working there, who came to Paris to visit me. She told me that all the best girls are leaving the club because of the boss who does not treat them very well. All the best girls are going to a new fantastic and huge club in the center of Frankfurt called "The Palace", if I remember well. She is going there on wednesday for her first evening. She will call me on thursday to tell me how it is and how many girls there are and also to give me exact adress of the place. She also told me that Atlantis is in deep sh.. because nobody wants to work there anymore!

Dadou29
03-01-04, 17:39
I just found the website of this new club ! Here is the link : http://www.fkk-paradies.de
Has anyone heard about it ?

Foxx1
03-01-04, 19:36
Is this the Angelika you guys are talking about
http://212.96.132.70/atlantis_2003/ASP/topnixe.asp?NixeAID=391606&strLang=de&strCon=56k

This girl has a devil tattoo on her butt, red hair, and looks about 31. Her name on the site is Biene. I was able to capture some pictures off the site that didn't have her face all blurred out. I can, if you want, attach a couple of them on here in another post.

GandJim
03-01-04, 23:31
Dadou29,

This club is listed on Kaleu's under its old name "FKK-Paradies Frankfurt Hausen". Seems that they changed their name to "The Palace". Direction is : A66 exit Rödelheim/Hausen, to Hausen Autohof West, after gas station turn right, under bridge, then turn right.

Never been there, may pay them a visit on my next trip to Frankfurt end of this month. I suggest you move your question to the general section for more info on this club.

Fats
03-02-04, 00:19
Foxx1:

That is not the Angelika everyone is talking about. She is thinner than that woman and a little shorter. The pictures on the Atlantis website haven't been updated in awhile and most of the woman pictured no longer work there. I've never seen a picture of Angelika on their website.

NastyBoy
03-02-04, 00:30
Foxxxx,

Attach photos plz .. link is not working for me.


Dadou,

I would be very interested to know the results of your Thursday conversation. Sad to hear that about Atlantis. Although I also must say that I have heard girls complain about bosses and say things are going downhill, but ultimately it stays the same.

NB

Ortos
03-02-04, 00:36
Those of you seeking info about FKK Palace (formerly Paradeis) in Hausen (Industrial area of Frankfurt), all you need to do is look at the very detailed report by Dedalus filed a day or two ago in the Other FKKs section of this board.

Dedalus
03-02-04, 12:14
Hi all,

I would not call out the undertaker for Atlantis just yet. A lot of the girls who work at World, Atlantis, and Oase live in Frankfurt and therefore do not want to work in Frankfurt. Also I think that the entrance fee for the girls at Atlantis is less than Oase and World. Plus at Atlantis and World the girls do not have to dance, or pay a fee not to dance.

Since Palace will start charging the girls an entrance fee (Feb. was free for the girls, hence all the precence of many FKK startlets).

The fact of the matter is that there are enough customers and girls to keep all of these clubs busy. When spring finally rolls around, then clubs with an outdoor area (FKKW, Atlantis etc.) will probably do better than the other clubs. Palace's lack of an outdoor area could be a liability in the spring and summer. I fear that it will really hurt Flamingo.

As long as Atlantis can field a line-up like Andjelika, Marina (She should be back in a few weeks!), Laura, Celine, Dilara, Gina, and so on, then they should be fine.

Dedalus

NastyBoy
03-02-04, 20:46
Thanks Dedalus....sounds good to me.

NB

Ugly George
03-03-04, 23:26
At Dadou29

"I often talk on the phone with a girl working there, who came to Paris to visit me. She told me that all the best girls are leaving the club because of the boss who does not treat them very well. "

What's her initial and nationality? I've been also told exactly the same thing at Atlantis.

Ugly George

Watcher
03-09-04, 21:24
Update on Atlantis:

I would like to thank the Members of this Forum for the information of these FKK CLub Atlantis.

This was my 1st visit to Germany and I went to FKK Atlantis on Feb 26,2004 by Train.

I paid my entrance fee and Picked a Dark Brazilian girl who gave Great BBBJ and Sex. I picked another Girl forgot her name but gave Great BBBJ and Sex.

Most of the Girls hangout by the circle sofa by the bar area.

I made full use of the Steam room, Sauna, hot tub.

There was food served Buffet Style at 5pm.

There are more better looking woman here than the New FKK Palace in Frankfurt.

I had a great time and will return again another time.

Red Hawk
03-10-04, 15:34
Hi people. I need some help please.

I am flighing to Hahn airport and need some directions to atlantis. I have been there before so not too much of a problem its just that im landing in at 6.30pm and was wondering if there is another route to avaid traffic. Cos last time it took me forever.

Any help would be kindly appreciated.

RedHawk.

NastyBoy
03-13-04, 01:06
red hawk try this:

leave the airport via highway 50 or 327 and head east to a661

- north to a48
- east to e44
- continue east to a45
- south to exit 39
- right on b521 to altenstadt
- you know the rest

this route is all autobahn and avoids the major cities of weisbaden, mainz, and frankfurt. you actually just go around koblenz which looks smaller than those cities. hopefully it is also all autobahn with no speed limit too, woo hoo... :-)))

nb

Toscana
03-13-04, 20:51
Can confirm that Atlantis seems to be fine at the moment. Was there Thursday before last. For my taste an abundance of talent, and I heard plenty of Russian as I drifted around.

NastyBoy
03-14-04, 03:22
Thanks Toscana,

That's music to my ears.

NB

Mind Snatcher
03-14-04, 12:08
There has been much talk recently of Atlantis having gone downhill. I spent last week investigating. Had one day in Atlantis and one day in FKK-World, spending 400 euro in each.

Both are a bit tricky to find, and the instructions on the web are not very clear. At 4 pm, Atlantis was beginning to fill up. I like to go early, as the girls are fresher. It's good to be the first client of the day. Atlantis is small and cosy. FKKW large, elegant, but also cold and unwelcoming. FKKW looked empty all evening.

At Atlantis I began with a one-hour two-girl session with Daisy (stunning leggy blonde) and her cheeky little companion, a brunette called Cilly. Both evidently close friends from Croatia who like to work as a pair. I would give them around 8/10 as a double act. Plenty of kissing, cuddling, romping around in the sauna and splashing around in the pool. Plenty of laughs. Quite convincing Lesbian activity between them. Screwed them in turn. Good. Full hour cost 200, i.e. the normal rate of 50 per person per 30 minutes. They muttered something about Trinkgeld at the end, which I chose to ignore. Other slight annoyance was a tendency to chat to each other in Croatian.

Five minutes later I was in the arms of Ingrid from Poland. Slightly maturer, late 20s, and it was her second day. Very good service, will do whatever you ask, including stand-up in front of everyone in the main area. 9/10. Enjoyable. But only 22 minutes according to my stopwatch. 50 euro.

Had a meal. Black girl from DR more or less threw herself at me. Name of Milkie or Minkie. Quite pleasant, 6/10, had chat and cuddle on sofa. Then got tired of her after 25 mins. Paid 50.

Wanted Ingrid again (!) but she was talking to some incredibly fat Turkish guy. Waited but they kept chatting and flirting. One could see she's new to the game. She didn't seem to hassle him to go off to the bedrooms. Tried to attract her attention but no luck. Then I spotted the most perfect looking girl I had ever seen (or so it seemed at the time). Lola from Hungary. What a disappointment. 10/10 for looks, 0/10 for attitude. Wouldn't kiss, not even on the cheek. So what does she do? 'I s*ck and I f*ck, but only in the room.' Hmmm. Tried to get her warmed up, but nothing worked. Even a gentle peck on the cheek was rebuffed. She just doesn't like being touched. Oh dear. Left after 10 minutes. Did not pay.

Now Ingrid was free, or rather, waiting for the Turk to return from the bar. After two minutes, I could wait no more and dragged her off to the room. Brilliant session. 40 minutes, very good in every respect. Paid 100 euro.

I spent a total of 6 hours, had plenty of food and drink, and it cost 400 plus 65 admission. Excellent time was had. The two sessions with Ingrid and the double act with Daisy and Cilly were about as good as it gets. Mucking about with Milky was ok, and Lola was a lesson of sorts (and free at that).

FKKW was very different. Will post about my experiences there soon. Atlantis still has the intimate atmosphere that I like, FKKW is more impersonal, though there are some nice girls working there too, and it was, overall, well, different ...

Red Hawk
03-14-04, 13:46
MS,

What day of week did you go. You mentioned that FKKW was quiet. Was it the weekend or weekday?

Would be interesting to know. I have never been to FKKW and i'm all excited about it. I will be there on Friday.

RH

Round the World
03-15-04, 06:08
MindSnatcher,
I'm glad you found Lola from Hungary, but I'm surprised about your reaction to her. She was one of my top experiences at Atlantis or anywhere else for that matter.

Perhaps it was an off night for her. I agree with you she has a perfect body and beautiful face. I didn't expect kissing as it seems to be about 50-50 with FKK girls.

I did negotiate 1 hour for 100e including CIM. And did I mention that I enjoyed it to the extreme? Fantastic flexibility on her part and I kinda liked the submissive attitude. And this was at 2am, as she was just about to leave for the night, on my first visit to Atlantis.

BTW, what day did you find her there? I'd like to figure out what her working calendar is by inference.

Cheers

Mind Snatcher
03-15-04, 20:19
Hello RtW and RH. You both want to know when I was where. My last visit to Atlantis was on Sunday, and to FKKW on Wednesday. But I can honestly say I have been to Atlantis, Oase and latterly FKKW on different days and they vary in unpredictable ways. The girls always seem to think it's a bit quiet, and when you ask them, they say 'Because it's Tuesday', or because it's Thursday or snowing or too hot, or too near Christmas, &c.

So, I missed a treat with Lola?! During the 10 minutes I was with her, she sat like a statue, staring straight ahead of her, winced when I touched her, said absoutely nothing and indicated that she did not like to be touched. I also like slightly shy and bashful types, but this was too much. But I admit she was number 3 or 4 for me that evening and at that point I need to be stimulated and at the receiving end of some tlc, which most of the others are only too pleased to dispense to the weary traveller! And which Ingrid could offer me to perfection, I am happy to add.

Round the World
03-16-04, 05:54
Thanks MindSnatcher
I wasn't disputing your experience with Lola. But perhaps it's just her pre-room demeanour.

For example, when I met her it was my first visit to Atlantis and I wasn't bold enough to test out the girls on the couches before heading up to the room (although I learned that lesson pretty quick on my second visit!) I simply walked up to her and struck my deal, based solely on that body and face. Then we headed up to the room where she delivered in spades.

Dedalus
03-21-04, 20:07
Me thinks there's something rotten in Altenstadt. When I went by Atlantis earlier today, it was closed up tight.

Has anyone any information?

Dedalus

Toki Jo
03-22-04, 01:09
What an eye opener to someone never been to a fkk place before.

I would agree with a previous report that laying out any of the the girls after seeing them been laid by others before your turn, especially cim, puts me off kissing them.

For me, girls dressed scantily with a g-string and sexy clothing is better.

Anyway, having visited the place, the black girls seems to be a lot more forward in trying to get you to part with your money. Customers are very international coming from many foreign countries to an abscure town, must be good for local hotels.

Many girls from eastern block countries, some I would rate as 7-8/10. many are 5-6 and there were a few dogs also. The choice is yours.

Place got raided by police at around midnight on the 21.3.04 searching for illegal workers

Dedalus
03-22-04, 09:38
A raid is one thing. I have seen and been present at 4. Usually it does not result in the club being closed. There is probably more to it than just illegal workers.

Dedalus

Sleip
03-22-04, 14:49
Atlantis is closed since saturday night due to police action.

At the moment nobody knows when it will open again

Ortos
03-22-04, 17:12
Yes, something smells funny here. I wonder what lies behind the (temporary?) closure of this Hessen landmark club. There were stories, rumours really!, of unrest in the club a couple of weeks ago. I also heard from somebody who went to Palace a few days ago, and he reported there were several ex-Atlantis girls there, but who knows how reliable that is?

Does anybody have any concrete information about Atlantis current status? Perhaps those of you who read the German boards have fresh data?

Thanks.

Dedalus
03-22-04, 18:36
according to one of the more reliable german borads, i have read everything from tax problems to drugs found at the scene. the last time i was a a club that was raided, the police checked my id, gave me astamp and then let me go on. this was at bhh. once at babylon they took a picture of my id and made me leave afterwards. babylon, it turned out had a few problems with an **** girl who was working there and had to close for a whlie. bhh was only being checked up on and they were open for business right afterward.

with atlantis the information is still sketchy. one poster on a german board is sure that this is the end of atlntis and that there is a problem with the german internal revenue service. if this is true, then he may indeed be correct. they german finanzamt does not play games.

in the meantime or until further notice, we will have to take our business elsewhere.

dedalus

Foxx1
03-22-04, 21:34
On the German forums, (www.roemerforum.de), there are rumors flying around that during the police raid, they found 25+ girls working there illegally and the owner/club-worker was found with cocaine in their possession. Some posters are speculating that the club has had several raids like this in the past and should re-open soon. Others think that it may never open for a very long time to come. Just rumors right now, nothing concrete yet.

Ortos
03-23-04, 05:09
If we take the worst-case scenerio as fact, that, indeed, Atlantis will never re-open (what a shame!), or at least will not recover its former glory, does it not stand to reason that many, if not all, of the girls who used to work Atlantis will simply strut their stuff at other clubs, such as FKKW, Palace, BHH?

We'll see.

Lover Boy #2
03-23-04, 06:34
I have been at Atlantis during 2 different "raids". They carted off the girls who did not have proper documentation and some escaped detection as the raid was happening by hiding in the house. The police were only interested in the girls. The place was opened for business within hours. I think if they have actually closed, the lawyers are at work. This can go either way. I have looked at all the German boards. If drugs in possession of the management are an issue, possibly this is a big problem, as is the revenue issues. Not knowing all the details, it is impossible to know what the future brings. This is a licensed business and the actual owners will have legal recourse before actual closing is permanent. But, be aware that this is not the U.S. and anything can happen.

Dedalus
03-23-04, 15:19
Lover Boy's comments make good sense. Whatever the reason for the closure (I am betting on the Tax issue) there has been something in the air for awhile now. Quite a few Atl. girls had moved to other clubs in the past month. Yes, I am sure that the free "eintritt" for the girl did play a role, but I will speculate that they knew something was going on.

Look for Palace, FKKW, and BHH (perhaps ever Flamingo) to have a noticable increase in girls for awhile.

Dedalus

Ronnie
03-23-04, 17:40
newsflash vom 23.03.2004
-------------------------------------------------------
Wegen Renovierungsarbeiten haben
wir zur Zeit geschlossen.

Freuen Sie sich schon jetzt auf die
Zeit danach und lassen Sie sich auf
unserer Homepage ein wenig inspirieren!

----------------------------------------------

This was posted on their Homepage. Looks like they call it renovation work. In a way that is surely correct.

In the meantime - there is plenty of other places in the region.

Ronnie

Red Hawk
03-23-04, 18:07
Hi all,

I was in Altenstadt the day of the raid, My plans were to go to FKKW on Friday night and then to Atlantis on Sat 21st. My plans changed and I went to FKKW on both days as I liked it in there so much i decided to give atlantis a miss, Thank god, would have been well pissed off if i got cought up in the raid.

Well I'll be reading this forum to get the latest!

RH

NastyBoy
03-24-04, 10:54
Wow what a biatch!!!! Driving for three fucking hours from D-dorf only to find the place closed. Boo Hoo ! I'm pissed. I liked this club.

Otherwise .... I had a nice time at World.

NB

Moonlight Bob
03-25-04, 00:24
I am off to Germany on Friday. I had planned to go to Atlantis, but that clearly will not happen. Posts below by Dedalus and Ortos refer to "Palace" and "BHH", neither of which I recognize, as alternatives. Would someone be kind enought to post the full names.

Dedalus
03-25-04, 00:37
"Renovierungsarbeit" That is a good one.

This was in the Geissen newspaper today:

Giessener Zeitung vom 24/03/2004:


Mittelhessen

FKK-Club »Atlantis«: Ermittlungen
wegen Menschenhandels
Altenstadt – Die Staatsanwaltschaft Hanau hat in der Nacht zum Sonntag den FKK-Club »Atlantis« im Altenstädter Ortsteil Waldsiedlung schließen lassen. An der Groß-Razzia waren Mitglieder eines Sondereinsatzkommandos und des Landeskriminalamtes beteiligt. Wie Oberstaatsanwalt Jost-Dietrich Ort auf Anfrage sagte, wurde eine Hausdurchsuchung vorgenommen. Dabei sei es zu mehreren Festnahmen gekommen. Ort: »Es sind U-Haft-Befehle ergangen.« Ermittelt werde wegen »Menschenhandel, Zuhälterei und was bei einem solchen Gewerbe eben alles anfällt«. Bei der Razzia wurden auch Frauen festgenommen, die sich illegal im ›Atlantis« aufgehalten haben, bestätigte der Oberstaatsanwalt einen entsprechenden Bericht des »Kreisanzeigers«. Man habe Hinweise erhalten, dass in dem FKK-Club Menschenhandel betrieben werde; außerdem werden den Betreibern Steuervergehen und Zuhälterei zur Last gelegt. Das »Atlantis« erfreute sich bis zum vergangenen Wochenende stets einer großen Schar von Gästen; auf dem Parkplatz standen Wagen aus ganz Deutschland und dem benachbarten Ausland.

Basically it says that:

"Due to trafficking in people the district attorney's office of Hanau closed Atlantis on Sunday morning. Members of a special forces (sound like a Stallone film) deployment commando and area criminal agency led the raid. The senior public prosecutor, Jost-Dietrich Ort in response to questions said that a search of the premises took place. As a result many were arrested under the following charges: Trafficking in people, pimping, and other infractions that take place in such a business. During the raid many women were taken into custody. (I am not sure if this part says that they were being held in Altantis illegally (against their will) or if they were just illegal worker. Probably the latter, but with all the talk about [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), who knows. ) Clues were received that a [CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909) operation was run out of the FKK Club. In addition the business operaters are charged with Tax-evasion and pimping. Before this past week Atlantis consistantly "gratified" a large horde of guests; in the parking lot are cars from all over Germany and neighboring countries."

If any native German speaker notice any errors in my translation, then please feel free to make corrections. It is not my mother-toungue.

Flamingo Island is already advertising that many girls from a "sunken city" are now working for them.

Also on a radio station in Frankfurt (FFH) today the mayor of Altenstadt said that he would do everything possible to keep the club closed.

Sorry to bear the bad news to all.

Dedalus

Catalyst
03-25-04, 04:35
this is a shame. the club had a great atmosphere and no other club could match the stunning sight of walking though its door for the first time. the girls may all be found in other clubs, but unless there is something really bad that they clearly did to deserve this i worry that this could have a chilling effect on the industry by making other investors hesitant to open new clubs. lets hope it's only temporary and that the club quickly gets back up to speed.

Lover Boy #2
03-25-04, 07:14
There are positives and negatives to anything. This Atlantis did not have the best management and that is a fact. I have personally seen people have problems with the girls that were legitimate. The management always took the girl's side, even when the guy was clearly getting ripped off. I have seen this happen to a lot of German guys, so I can imagine that a foreigner would have no chance of winning. The rooms were not well kept and for a place with the nice looking downstairs, the upstairs accomodations were shit. They charge the girls a full entry fee to work even on slow nights, making them overly agressive and afraid to lose money after having sex. They were never concerned about the health of the workers, as unfortunately this is the way the industry is now. Other places will open, other places will close. It will all be alright! Foreign sex workers and the hint that they might be working against their will is a big issue all over Europe at this time. I have been to Atlantis over 40 times since they opened and I never met a girl who seemd to be kept there against her will. This only happened to me once in over 30 years of mongering in Germany and I contacted the local police.

Ronnie
03-25-04, 10:51
I agree with Catalyst. The club was the best I ever visited. If it is true, I regret that trafficking was a part of the business. However, I am glad they clean up with this.

Girls who work legally and from free will is the best for the business, the customers and the Society.

Atlantis was a peal. Hopefully it will be back. It has a good name, and after this "renovation" they might be back in business. But how many cuts can they live with before it is over and out finally.

In the meantime there are plenty other fishes in the sea.

Jenbach
03-25-04, 13:09
This is just terrible news. Dedalus is absolutely right about the Finanzamt (Tax Office) in Germany. They are ruthless in going after tax evaders. If any charges have been filed against the management / owners of Atlantis for tax evasion, then the forecast is gloomy.

Could our local colleagues in Germany keep us updated with developments in Altenstadt? Also, information on where ex-Atlantic stars are currenty working would be useful.

Now, I am of to drown my sorrows!

Cheers!

ChicagoMan

GabrielPontello
03-25-04, 13:38
for sure it's a shame but I noticed in the last times an Atlantis decline towards a FKK World raise
who knows both clubs understands very well that the Atlantis squad in a great facility like World might be a real PARADISE on earth...

GandJim
03-25-04, 14:53
Moonlight Bob,

BHH is Burgholzhausen, i.e. Oase. Palace was Paradies previously, you have reports on it in the "Other FKK" section (in particular by Dedalus ;))

Minimus
03-26-04, 02:45
Anybody else find it interesting that the mayor of Altenstadt would say that he hopes to keep it closed? That has got to be the most profitable business in the whole city, the hotels get business because of it.

Daedelus or others, how did the house make cash from the girls? Did they charge the girls to come in or what? I couldn't figure it out while I was there.

Lover Boy #2
03-26-04, 05:39
The girls paid the same entry fee you do to enter the club. At PHG in Oedt they pay half the normal entry fee. Three girls at Atlantis told me the same thing, so I think it is accurate. The owner of PHG told me the other information, so I'm not sure of the accuracy.

CBGBConnisur
03-26-04, 06:16
I remember another fine club, Babylon, got closed because of some shady things going on over there, but then they reopened. I really doubt Atlantis will stay shut down for good, and you're right that is probably the most profitable business in that entire city.

Dedalus
03-26-04, 08:04
All clubs charge the guests and entrances fee. This includes the girls. Usually the girls have to pay between 80-90 Euros entrance fee and more per day if they are living at the club. Most clubs have a separate area where the girls can sleep. BHH use to charge the girls an extra 25 if they did not dance. Not doubt there are other hidden charges that we do not hear about.

Technically the girls are also "guests", and what happens between a male guest and a female guest is their business. The girls who are selling sex have to be registered and have work permission.

You are right about Atlantis being an "important busiess" in Altenstadt and you can bet that there are a few restaurants and hotels that well feel a bite if Atlantis stays closed.

Yesterday the "Bild Zeitung" also had a notice about the raid and the arrests and charges that were made. There was another story in the Geissen paper. The charges are serious and if Atlantis does reopen it will likely be with new managment.

Tax evasion and [CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909) are serious issues and if the owner is found guilty, then he will do time. Considering the nature of the charges, I am not suprised that the mayor has taken such a stance. If he really means what he says is another matter.

If one calls Atlantis now (someone is now manning the phones) then they will tell you that if all goes well then they are planning to reopen next week. This seems to me to be a bit optimistic, but who knows.

Dedalus

Toscana
03-26-04, 09:38
I have a good friend in the German tax inspectorate (unfortunately not Frankfurt area). He is trying to find out if it tax offences they are after them for. If it is tax, then it is the owners and maybe managers they are going for, not the business as such. The tax authorities have no moral or political agenda. Tax income is tax income, and Atlantis would continue to be welcome at the cash desk.

Peter
03-26-04, 19:25
Definitive Entrance fees for the girls:

Atlantis, Oase, World
65€/Day + 15€ per day if they sleep there. No Other hidden charges.

PHG & Wildenrath
75€/Week no charge for sleeping there. No hidden charges.

Other clubs have complicated or simple systems, but all are similar.

Peter

Dedalus
03-26-04, 22:09
Peter,

If these prices are correct, then BHH has lowered them sometime in the last few years. There were a few top acts that told me the main reason that they left BHH was that they saved a bit on the entrance fee and that they did not have to dance (or pay not to dance).

Dedalus

Peter
03-29-04, 20:36
Dedalus,

3 Years ago Atlantis and World did not exist, so BHH could dictate to the girls. In the meantime it is a transparent business and the girls have worked at many different clubs. Clubs know they stand and fall with the quality of the talent they can hold, so they cannot have significantly higher charges than the other clubs.

Sometimes the diffuculty to enforce penalties or new policies as girls will simply switch clubs can mean a club is not as tight and well run as they used to be.

Peter

Catalyst
03-29-04, 21:07
cbgbconnisur,

yes, babylon reopened after an extended closing. i think i read that it was because an **** girls was discovered working there. but the club was never quite the same afterwards.

Dedalus
03-30-04, 00:06
Good point. I have not been to Oase in quite some time so it is hard for me to comment on this "leveling effect" that you describe. However it makes perfect sense.

Dedalus

CBGBConnisur
03-30-04, 03:56
I first visited that club after the first closing when they got into trouble in 2001 and I thought the women there were first rate in quality.

Catalyst
03-30-04, 06:22
When I went to Babylon some time after the closing the food was not quite as good as I had remembered, there were no more alcoholic beers, and I think there weren't quite as many girls (the most important part) although I have to admit that it wasn't bad.

I made my comment based more on reports that I saw on this board and one other right after the reopening and from the fact that on these boards there are few reports on Babylon nowadays.

CBGBConnisur
03-31-04, 00:50
I sincerely doubt that Atlantis will be closed permanently, it is probably the only profitable business in town and a source of tax revenue. Most likely it will reopen with new management. Whatever the mayor of the town said, there is a saying "Money talks and Bullshit walks." Money will always do the talking. I'll wager that the club will reopen in a few months.

NastyBoy
03-31-04, 03:40
What's wrong with this picture???

"In addition the business operaters are charged with Tax-evasion..."

"...it is probably the only profitable business in town and a source of tax revenue."

What's the wager?? I might want some of that action.

NB

jako
04-04-04, 20:26
It seems to be, that the Atlantis will be closed for a long time. But there are plenty of alternatives. For example the Oase at Burgholzhausen or the Palace at Frankfurt. Local newspapers talk about different things that make a fast reopening of Atlanis imposible.

See the links for the other clubs at my website www.jako.tk

Greets from Germany!

Jako

Toki Jo
04-06-04, 22:59
well at least i tried atlantis on the very last day it was open.

hooked up with a tall sexy blonde nadine from the ukraine, about 5ft 9in tall without heels, waist length hair measures 36c/d, 25, 35. best guestimates. very well recommended cim and unrushed service. seems very popular, always hangs around at the entrance by the right hand side of the bar.

most girls are 6/7's, some 8's, one or two monsters appeared late in the evening.

stayed at a pleasant hotel moenchof in altenstadt but i guess generally businesses will fall a little until atlantis re-opens.

for anyone trying to take the train from frankfurt over weekends, forget it. the journey takes 1.5 hrs. best way is to hire a car, which takes about 30 minutes, and not that difficult to find. many major car firms at the hauptbanhof in franfurt. try to refule on dropoff otherwise they will sting you with 40 euro fee on top. also watch out for the speed cameras at the entrance approaching nidderau town.

it seems many members met up during the weekend of the 21st, so shame i did not meet up with any of you guys.

Atapchee
04-10-04, 21:24
I plan on being in Frankfurt on April 18. I was wondering if anyone was interested in checking out the FKKs around Frankfurt (e.g., Palace, Oase). If so, please send me a message.

Any new news on Atlantis? Have they re-opened? There was a Cuban girl named, Adrienna, who worked on Sundays. She is about 5'8", 34-23-34; short brown hair. Has anyone seen her at the other clubs, since Atlantis closed down?

Thanks

Boofer
04-18-04, 20:40
Gentlemen,

Please advise where I should go if I have two days free in Germany. I'm interested in quality and was spoilt by FKK Atlantis. Now that it's closed PLEASE advise where one can find this raunchiness as well as variaty. Location is not important.

Thanks

Rain City
04-18-04, 21:46
Boofer,

Check out my recent FKK-world report. I would recommend the place.

Optimist
04-19-04, 16:33
The rumours from girls and regulars seem still to be that Atlantis will be down for some time. And it's sending nerves round the other clubs- I was at one when rumours started about police cars and girls had to leave suddenly. Basically it seems to be that all the girls have a man taking care of them - this may be ok if the man is good but if he's a bad man then the girls can have a bad time. I'm not suggesting that some girls are in FKK against their will so it's not people-trafficking, but it can be exploitative and to my minnd abusive. And it's this aspect which means the Police have something to crack down on if they can get any evidence . Anyway that's my understanding and it makes sense of some behaviour I've seen by some girls (a small minority) in FKKs. So it may not all be as squeaky clean as it looks

Ortos
04-19-04, 21:39
"Anyway that's my understanding and it makes sense of some behaviour I've seen by some girls (a small minority) in FKKs. So it may not all be as squeaky clean as it looks."


That is an interesting comment. Could you possibly be a little more specific about "some of the behaviour I've seen by some of the girls..." I have no idea what you are referring to in terms of behaviour.


Thanks.

Optimist
04-20-04, 08:15
Ortos

I've PMed you with a little more of my thoughts. I can't be specific as it could affect individuals but for the forum generally I can say that sometimes the girls aren't always completely free agents. They may not be allowed to met outside the premises, or have any telephone numbers etc, and messages may be intercepted. Normally this could be appropriate since there must be boundaries to the job and such contact is not usually a good idea - but sometimes the girls aren't given the option of setting the boundaries themselves. I think this is relatively rare but it's hard to judge. Similarly when I get comments about the girls being watched then I think they mean their minder. It's hard to be explicit. And I think it's only a small minority - usually where there is some doubt about the girl's papers etc.
Hope this helps alittle bit. Sorry to be so mysterious

El Aleman
04-22-04, 13:51
It looks like Atlantis will stay closed for good - or at least a long time. The reasons lie in local politics, double morality and the specific legal situation in Germany.

A (simplified) explanation:

While brothels are technically legal in Germany, they require like every other business a variety of permits and licenses: A building permit for the building they are in specific to the purpose of the business, restaurant and liquror permit if serving food and drinks, compliance with fire codes etc. etc - just to name a few. No small town mayor who even thinks about getting reelected will issue these permits, if he officially knows a brothel is planned, and if he finds any legal reason to deny them.

For that reason, Atlantis was not licensed as a brothel, but as a "sauna and wellness center". The city hall could claim that the resulting, more intimate contacts between it's guests - consenting adults - were not of the city's concern, and tolerate them, collect taxes, and be happy that a lot of other businesses (hotels, caterers, etc) were doing well.

Then, the police raid happened. Several people were arrested, and charges of (among others) pimping, [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), tax evasion (several million €), illegal employment of foreigners- up and down the German penal code - pressed. Among those arrested was a police officer who is charged with giving information to Atlantis' management about intended checks by the authorities. If these charges lead to convictions, the defendants will serve several years. Also, several (eastern european) girls were arrested without proper visas and work permits, and evicted from Germany.

Now, Atlantis is publicly linked with severe criminal charges and illigal immigration. The city government just cannot go back to the tolerant attitude of former times. Even if the place reopens (maybe following a court order), it might well be closed again for violation of safety, building, fire, hygienig.... or whatever regulations.

I hope that helps,

El Alemán

NastyBoy
04-23-04, 14:23
El,

Wow! Thanks for the great report. What sad news, though. That was a really rocking place. Is there any online newspaper with more in depth details of your account? I would love to read the original stories. I use an online translator to get the gist of things.

Thanks again.

NB

Ortos
04-23-04, 14:39
During a recent trip to Frankfurt area, over Easter weekend in fact, I visited the FKK clubs: Oase, Palace and World. This was my first exposure to FKKdom since the closure of my old stomping ground, Atlantis. Thus part of my interest was to determine which and how many ex-Atlantis girls were relocated in the other area clubs. In other words, with the fall of Atlantis, who went where? I thought it might be useful to report which ex-Atlantis girls I saw working which clubs now. My observations are limited, so I hope others will continue this thread by reporting any additional observations and spottings.

Ex-Atlantis Girls at Oase
My first stop was to FKK Oase in Burgholzhausen. This club was Atlantis’ main rival and, even well before the closure of Atlantis, one could already see that a few of Atlantis’ girls had moved to Oase, and visa-versa. I had expected to find quite a few Atlantis girls at Oase, but to my surprise I only noticed a few prominent ex-Atlantis girls last week:

Linda of Greece: Was spotted working Oase on Thursday April 8th. She looked a bit ill-at-ease in this club, and sat mainly in the first lounge room opposite the television and fireplace. When I went back to Oase the following Saturday and Thurs nights, she was not in evidence. Good thing that, maybe she has finally decided to quit the business…

Mia of Spain: This Persian beauty who resides in Barcelona and flies into Franfurt every other month or so to work the clubs for a few weeks, used to work Oase a year or so ago (under another name starting with the letter “S”), but then deserted the BHH club for Altenstadt. Well, now she’s back at Oase. She is extremely popular with male guests and somewhat outgoing so she is seldom sitting alone at the bar or couch.

Also spotted at Oase were some ex-Atlantis girls whose names I am not sure of: They both sport long, dark hair and seem to be part German/part Turkish. Quite attractive. They were working Atlantis last January/February, when I was last at Atlantis and are now strutting their stuff in Oase.

Ex-Atlantis Girls at FKK World
At World I saw four girls previously known from Altenstadt:

The petite blonde from Slovakia, Daria (also used to use another name starting with the letter “L”). She was at World almost every night I was there. She told me she misses Altantis and hopes it will re-open. Don’t you like World, I asked? “No, the problem here is that there are nowhere near the number of clients that Atlantis had nightly.”

Hanna, the tall, heavyish Czech girl, who used to hang around the backside of the Pit at Atlantis, now makes World her home base.

A pretty dark haired Spanish girl whose name I forgot! This girl is well known from Atlantis and used to hang out a lot with Mia (now at Oase). She speaks virtually no English or German, but is a real sex machine. She is also seen nightly at World.

Optimist
04-23-04, 16:05
El Alamen

Thanks for your excellent (simplified) report. I've been trying to work all that out for a while, and you've made it crystal clear. I'm now wondering what will be the effect on other FKKs - maybe it'll just help make sure they keep (relatively) free from organised crime etc. Certainly some German clients did not seem at al l bothered about Atlantis only being the first of many to fall. Patience I guess is what I'll need

By the way to add to Ortos's Atlantis girls list, I know Irina, Leona and Anna are at World. If anyone is looking for a particular girl then let me know and I'll have a look on the German Roemerforum which is currently trying to list who has gone where. My reply my take time - my German is virtually non-existent!

Ortos
04-23-04, 19:12
I will answer your question about Mia, if you answer a question I wish to pose first:

With all due respect: Why do you always pollute this German FKK board with irrelevant comments about how you see girls in New Zealand and Australia?
Comments about these countries simply have no place on this board unless they are in some way connected to the subject of FKKs in Germany.

Sorry if I sound a bit aggressive, but this is not the first time I've seen these blatent infractions authored by you on this board. Others have asked you to stop this practice, but you seem to ignore these requests. Would you care to comment? Please respond directly to this point.

Thank you, kind sir.

CBGBConnisur
04-23-04, 20:12
What is relevant is that this board is dominated primarily by English speaking mongerers. So I just wanted to comment that relative to the meter maid style of sex at a German FKK, Australia offers a more relaxed setting and has a variety of beautiful women that can easily match or surpass the best of Europe.

What I find strange is that although the FKK clubs have a lot of beautiful women, traveling around Germany, I did not find too many beautiful local women. Even a German friend of mine one time mentioned "Frankfurt is no Sydney", so I always wondered where the women in the clubs came from and how prices for service were so low. The post about Mia, made me especially curious.

Woody66
04-23-04, 20:40
With apologies for butting in, provided Mia is a legal resident of Spain then she is entitled under EU law to work in Germany without any additional work permit.

Without doubt, most of the girls working in the FKK clubs are not German born. Hardly surprising, most of the girls working in London, Brussels or Amsterdam are also from overseas its simply a matter of economics.

As far as Australia/New Zealand are concerned, whilst agreeing with Ortos' point, when I was there I certainly didn't see anything overall better than I'd see in Western Europe or North America.

Woody

Woody66
04-23-04, 20:42
Ortos,

Thanks for your report. I have a weeekend trip booked for end May and was intending a return visit to Atlantis. With Atlantis closed, which of the three other clubs you tried would you say was the closest to the Atlantis formula?

Thanks,

Woody

Ortos
04-23-04, 21:11
Well you still have not convinced me of the connection between Fkks and your personal view of the sex in Australia. So what can I say? I must be the one off-balance here, eh?

From what I understand, Mia is of Iranian decent but has Spanish citizenship. As an EU citizen, I guess she has an easy time in Germany. She flys between Germany and Barcelona every few weeks. She works the clubs for a couple of weeks, then goes home, chills out, and comes back when she wants to make more cash. Good system...good girl....Alles klaar

Wry Cooter
04-24-04, 00:34
Iranians (nationality) are typically of Persian ethnicity. I agree. Mia is absoultely fabulous. I missed out on seeing her the last time I was there. It's good to know she might be at Oase the next time I'm in town. Yeah, I'm not too crazy about the plugging for Australia. I was also under the impression that it's much more expensive Down Under than the 50-100 Euros that one would pay in Germany. Not to mention how much more expensive it is to fly to Australia than it is to Europe. And I see lots of beautiful women walking around in Germany whenever I'm there. I also see lots of beautiful Australians roaming through Europe on my travels. To each his own.

Fkk Lover
04-24-04, 05:47
As it relates directly to pricing, they're going to be set by what the market will bear, this being a free market industry after all. Raise the prices, less customers... maybe the club & girls still make the same amout of money with the raised prices, but prolly less due to the diminished traffic. Charge less, you get tons more customers but lose girls because they won't make as much and it might not be worthwhile being in this business. The equilibrium is where it's at.

As it relates to German girls, there won't be as many at the FKKs because they were reared there, have qualifications that would allow them to make a decent living without having to take their clothes off. Maybe the ones you'll see at the clubs come from poorer families/modest backgrounds or they like sex. You'll see more foreigners in this indutry because as any immigrant they have less skills, qualifications and/or contacts necessary for a traditional career. Standard of living in most Eastern European, African, Latin American and Southeast Asian countries are below those in Germany so they're willing to do the work for less and send the money home to support their families. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Now girls from Spain, Italy and other Western European countries, they'll come if the amount of money they expect to make is acceptable. It is certainly easy and convenient for them to come and go because of their EU status. Mia as well as other EU girls I've talked to likes a structured system of an FKK and the environment. Maybe there's nothing like it where they're from, maybe they don't want to conduct business so close to home. So she comes in for a couple of weeks, takes a barrelful of euros back to Barcelona, and goes on vacation for a month or 2. She told me that she did command 4 figure daily escort fees back in Spain in the past, and I'm reasonably certain she wasn't pulling my leg. Still, she's as good as advertised (if not a little loca)... has a following of guys waiting for her... is capable of making you want to spend multiple concurrent sessions with her, then she can make a ton of money, even at 50 euros per half hour.

mmmm.... what were we talking about again?

Ortos
04-24-04, 06:25
Woody,

I am not quite sure what you mean by the "Atlantis formula." Probably the closest club to the lay-out of Atlantis is the newly opened Palace. But the club with the hottest girls right now, in my book, at least, is FKK World.

I recently made a 10-day trip to Germany with the expressed purpose of visiting FKK Clubs. During this trip, I visited the following clubs:

FKK Oase (3 visits)
FKK Palace (2 visits)
Planet Happy Garden (1 visit)
FKK World (6 visits)

The number of visits at a specific club should give you a pretty good indication as to which club, in my own biased opinion, offered the best girl line-up and atmosphere during the time of my visits. FKK World beat the pack by far, even outshining the normally fantastic PHG, which I only visited once and never returned (as I had planned) mainly because World was just so damned good! I became so enamoured with this place and the girls there, that I ended up abandoning my old stomping ground, Oase, and more or less moved into World for the last few days of my visit. No, I did not sleep there, but spent many hours per day/night/early morning in the club and between the legs of its mainly eastern European female population.

If I had to list in descending order the clubs with the best girl line-ups in terms of beauty/sexiness, youth, attitude, numbers and diversity, it would go like this:

World
PHG
Oase
Palace

CBGBConnisur
04-24-04, 14:53
Woody66, I was comparing non-pro Australian women with non-pro native German women. I was not comparing non-pro Australian women with the FKK pro women. Yes, I agree that FKK women can be stunningly attractive and the rates for sex are very cheap making it an excellent value. And yes German FKKs are cheaper than Australian brothels even with the strong Euro. But sometimes pros can get boring, and with regards to meeting non-pros Australia is much better country to meet non-pros.
Woody, let me guess you must be Dutch? I am assuming this because you must be smoking some serious hash if you think North American women can be placed in the same sentence with European and Australian women.

Fats
04-27-04, 21:46
I saw a former Atlantis employee at another club as she told me that the tax discrepancy is 12 million Euros. In addition one kilo of cocaine was found in the security office. Also, a police official was arrested for providing information to Atlantis about future police activity with regards to the club. An international arrest warrant is outstanding for one of the club's owners who fled from Germany to Ibiza. The most serious allegations are that some of the woman were there against their will.

So even discounting the most serious allegation ([CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)), the tax fraud, drug dealing, bribery and corruption of a public official most likely mean Atlantis will never re-open under the current management and the mayor of Altenstadt says he doesn't want a similar business in that location (I don't know anything about German law so the mayor's view might stop another club or it might not mean anything, just posturing for the electorate).

NastyBoy
04-28-04, 22:38
Fats,

Thanks for the info. What do you think will become of the facilities? And what the hell was all that construction they were doing before they got shut down?

Anyway, with legal prostitution in good old Deutschland, wouldn't it make sense to continue putting these facilities to good use, maybe under better management?

Anybody?

NB

Peter
04-29-04, 00:42
nb,

prostitution in germany is legal in a similar way that it is legal in britain and canada. pros. is not illegal, but fosytering, soliciting and living off the avails are still illegal. that is why clubs run on a tight legal wire. they cannot foster prostitution or live off the avails. there are legal zones of toleration, but most fkk's are not these sort of legal zones of toleration. so it is not really legal, it is tolerated. also there is virtually no interest to prosecute john's, unless there is something like **** or drugs invovled.

just setting things straight

CBGBConnisur
04-29-04, 02:35
Only two regions of Germany have high concentrations of FKK clubs, the NRW and Frankfurt Hesse, outside of these two regions the pay for play in Germany can get much more expensive. In places like Munich and some very upscale establishments in Berlin, the prices can be as high as the US, this is especially so in Munich. Hamburg is also another place notorious for ripoffs. If you stick to FKKs in the NRW and Frankfurt Au Main area, you will get a good value for your money. Even if this club has closed there are many others. Some things about the club struck me as being very shady, notably the fact that some women lived in the club.

NastyBoy
04-29-04, 15:00
Peter,

Aha! So, I suppose fostering would be setting up the establishment where the activity takes place, such as the FKK club. As opposed to, maybe, the "legal zones" around the train stations where all the red light districts are. Because I really don't see the difference between operating that building versus the nicer facilities of the FKK clubs.

Anyway, it's a shame about Atlantis, because the facilities were nice when I was there. I never had a problem with dirty rooms or anything. And only once was I disappointed with the selection of girls.

Reading this board and investigating the opportunities elsewhere on the planet, it still seems that good old Deutschland is the place to score in a pleasant atmosphere. But that's because I am partial to really good looking, young, white, blonde, eastern european women.

I suppose Atlantis would have survived if not for the tax evasion and drug issues. All the other clubs are still in business.

NB

NastyBoy
04-29-04, 15:08
CBGB,

I don't think it's uncommon for a girl to live at the club. I have heard of other girls living at their clubs, and if my online translator is correct, I believe a similar offer is made to employ girls at Dolce Vita.

Don't the girls at the Bahnhof houses rent their rooms as well, and operate their business out of there?

This was my confusion about the legality of the trade in the country. Until recently, I was under the impression that it was under government control to include health checks, registration, etc.

I can remember days when there were little white half circles on the side of the road where the women stood plying their trade. We used to call it 20 mark strasse. That's how legal I thought this whole business was. And it may be, except when you mix in the illegal shit. Then you are asking for trouble.

NB

Catalyst
05-01-04, 18:56
I met an ex-Atlantis girl at FKK World who told me that there was a story in the newspapers saying that the club will reopen on May 6. But then I met another ex-Atlantis girl there who said that she heard the same thing, but doesn’t believe it. Then I mentioned this the first girl she said actually she has her doubts too.

The first girl says she plans to go back there if it reopens. She finds Atlantis to be the best club to work at because there are so many customers and also she likes the layout. She says that in FKK world things are too spread out for her and she spends a lot of time walking to get to the pool, to a room, etc...

She told me that she thinks all of the allegations mentioned here are true, in particular that some girls were held there against their will. She seemed to agree that this last offence was by far the worst, although she said that what really got them in trouble with the law was not paying their taxes. If there really were girls held and forced to have sex against their wills it is an atrocious crime and I hope the perpetrators are left to rot in a filthy prison where the larger inmates will commit the same offence against them. Everyone who works in or frequents this business should hope for the harshest punishment for these people because it would be fitting and because this practice confirms the worst suspicious of our numerous enemies and gives them exactly the ammunition they seek to convince lawmakers and the public that commercial sex should be abolished. I told the girl that if I ever found out that one of the girls I had paid to have sex with was a forced worker I would have the same feeling as if I went to a restaurant and had a nice piece of meat and later found out that it was the cut up remains of the murdered wife of the owner.

TravelMen
05-03-04, 18:36
I shall be in Frankfurt on Saturday night in 3 weeks.

What is the current best FKK club in your opinions?

I was also after one with a decent hotel near by, so I can walk/taxi, and have a few bears. I know the drink driving laws there are very strict.
Any suggestions there?

Pahllus Maximus
05-03-04, 23:47
An excellent idea. They should start at 16 and have classes on BBBJ etc, hip thrusts and the art of pleasure. Much better idea that training soldiers.


German brothels must hire apprentices

Schroeder government wants to fine brothels that don't comply with laws on hiring apprentices.

May 3, 2004: 10:37 AM EDT

BERLIN (Reuters) - The German government's plans to levy fines on companies that fail to hire trainees will also be applied to legal German brothels, Der Spiegel news magazine reported Sunday.

Brothels failing to employ a certain number of apprentices will not be exempted from the financial penalties that Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's government wants to introduce on all companies later this year, the magazine said.

The legislation drafted by the Social Democrats and their Greens coalition partners will fine companies that do not have one apprentice for every 15 workers.

Several members of the Greens party tried to allow an exemption for prostitutes but the Education Ministry responsible for the legislation blocked that, arguing it "would cause considerable difficulties," Der Spiegel said.

Tom2004
05-04-04, 08:07
Travel Man,

I would suggest "The Palace" in Frankfurt and the Ibis Hotel less than three minutes away. You can have fun (in The Palace) and explore drinking down-town by using public transport from and to the Hotel.

For just a day it seems to me the best thing to do however, in case you stay longer things my differnt.

Have fun in Frankfurt,

Tom

TravelMen
05-04-04, 13:48
So is palace about the best, pretty much?

What is the best time span to get to these clubs.
I wouldn't mind trying my luck in the bars then heading out to the FKK.

Any good pick up bars in Frankfurt.

Member #1980
05-04-04, 19:53
I will be in Franfurt for 4 days this weekend. Plan to go Palace, World, Oase and rent a car with GPS. Where is most convenient mid point hotel to stay (30Euro to 60Euro range)? Is that too far to drive to PHG also (how long to drive from Frankfurt am Main airport to PHG)? Please advise. I heard from Atlantis board that Atlantis will re-open on May 6. Is that true?

Henio
05-05-04, 02:39
To Member #1980,

Go to a map web site such as Map24.com. Allocate each of the clubs you're interested in on the map. Find a place/town that is mid point. Go to www.hrs.de and search for a hotel. The list will be ordered in descending order based on the distance from desired location.

Having said that, I would guess Bad Nauheim would be pretty convenient if you plan to going back and forth to these three clubs. You can find a hotel for 35-40e a night there.

Using point to point direction of map24, you can find aprox how long it will take to drive to PHG

Optimist
05-05-04, 06:12
member 1980

If you look at the reports you'll see recommendations for hotels near Oase and info about how to find hotels generally etc.

I suggest that for hotels you go to hrs.de (choose the English language option - there's an option on the left hand side about two-thirds of the way down if I remember). Choosing hotels is personal taste. if you've got a car maybe near Oase is the best place - you're then within halfhour or so from both World and Palace. hrs.de has location maps for each hotel - so all you need to do is enter your selected location (try Burgholzhausen, Bad Nauheim, or Friedberg perhaps).

Driving to PHG from FFM airport depends very much on traffic. It could well be comfortably under three hours but, if you hit the peak traffic esp round Cologne, could be up to an hour more. Try a routing site like michelin or map24 or maporama

Ortos
05-05-04, 21:49
For what it's worth: I have often driven between PHG and central Frankfurt. I do the trip in an average of 2hours, that is, barring any unforseen traffic events. And knowing the way does shave time off the trip!

TravelMen
05-08-04, 16:38
Would you guys consider Palace to be 'the' best?

Better than world?

I only have the Saturday night so I want to pick the best one.
I don't suppose it is possible to visit both, especially if it's your first time there.

I think I would rather go to just one, have a few beers then get a taxi back.

What do you think?

Ronnie
05-08-04, 17:06
Travelaman,

I would prefer Palace if you are there only one day, based on:

- Distance. Palace is in Frankfurt. World, you need transport, it is about 60 km away. That will cost a lot with taxi.

- Action.World does not have that much action after 24.00. Seems most of the air goes out of the club after midnight.

-Time. You will use a lot more of your time travelling. Use that time on world instead.

- Beer. I dont think any server beer. At least not for free. But i have seen its possible to but at World

Of course outdoor facilites is great at World and non-existence at Palace.

But, all in all, It should be an easy choice. Choose Palace

Cheers,

Ron

Ortos
05-08-04, 19:41
Based on what I saw and experienced in mid-April, approx three to four weeks ago, I would say World wins hands down as the better club. Of course this is perhaps a bit subjective, but I certainly thought there was a consistently better line-up of girls at World vs Palace. And, whilst it's true that the post-midnight atmosphere at World is a bit laid back, I would say that I actually like World after mid-night better than during the early evening hours. Later at night/early AM, the girls are more relaxed and will spend more time with you on the couch, I found.

Anyway, I was myself able to start the day off late afternoon at World, then go down to Palace to check that out on the same day/night. I found that later in the evening, when there was lighter traffic, I could drive from World to Palace in about 30 to 35 minutes. But I knew the way, so that helped.

Maybe I am too biased, because I had such great sessions at World last time and I found Palace a bit hit or miss, though it was interesting to go there. I think you really have to hit Palace on the right night, whilst at World you can pretty well count on a sure line-up any night you go. With Palace you can get stampeded if you go during a Messe or super busy night, or you could face a graveyard with slim pickings if you go on an off-night, say a Sunday or Monday. If you can find the middle ground between these two extremes, then Palace works. It is true the transport factor argues for Palace...but then again, Oase is not that far away from central Frankfurt either. It would certainly be easier to combine visits to Oase and Palace in the same night.

Euro100
05-09-04, 04:11
Ronnie,

Beer is free at World. They serve Clausthaler, a non-alcohol brew. But it still tastes way better than most beer in the USA.

Of course the availability of beer does not decide which is better, Palace, Oase or World. Palace still needs time to grow, it is only a couple of months old, and regular guest change habits only slowly. The girls on average are presently clearly best at World. This makes the real difference for me.

If transportation is a problem, stick with the Palace. However, if you want you can rent a very cheap small "Smart" car from sixt.com. The rates average 20 euro per day, but can be as low as 5 euro per day. This should get you to World in a very economic way. And that is exactly how I will get there this coming Saturday, the 15th.

Already drooling,

Euro

TravelMen
05-09-04, 16:31
I shall be there on a Saturday night.

I shall have a car, but was planning on getting a hotel near by.

Are there any hotels near World?
Is world hard to find at night?

As per quantity and also quality, which would be better of these two.

The Atlantis reports sounded like it had great girls. How would these two clubs compare to Atlantis.

Ronnie
05-09-04, 17:27
Travelmen,

You can sleep over at World if you like.

You can have VIP room, you can sleep there but it will cost you €100. Make sure to order early. There is not many rooms available

You have to leave the room before 11.00 am next morning, but since they use these rooms during the evenings, you will not have the key before 1.00 a.m. You have full access to the breakfast the next morning and if you manage you can from 10.00 a.m also take a morning session without paying another entrance feel.


When you drive to World. Follow A5 direction Kassel. Go pass the Gambacher kreuz and take exit to Fernwald. Take first right, drive a few 100 meter and follow left to Pohlheim. Then take right at next cross. Follow this road for about 1,5 km and then take left in next traffic light. After another 600-700 m take right in direction to Garbenteick. Take another right and folllow this cross a railroad track. After that you will see big sign to the parking spot at World.

Enjoy you trip,

Ronnie

Valmont
05-09-04, 18:14
Depends on the person you are asking, TM. Some say World is better, some say Oase is better. I know that's not very informative, but it's the truth.

V

Peter
05-09-04, 19:21
TM,

All the girls who were working with proper papers at atlantis are guaranteed working somewhere else now. some of the mobile ones have gone further afield like PHG (Where I have heard that 4-6 have turned up) while most have stayed in the frankfurt area. Many are at World, Oase and Palace. These girls are still working, they are not lost for us.

Which one is best is a personal taste issue and there are many posts in the forum (even the older ones are still accurate) about the pluses and minuses of each club. The girls are not employed by the clubs and are free to switch clubs whenever they want. They pay a daily rate and can leave a club on the drop of a hat. The lineup changes from day to day, and depending on what day and what time you show up.

Both World and Oase are relatively difficult to find. Get a good map, or use a good home page and follow it well.

The Car rental agency with the cheap smarts is probably SixtI.com, not Sixt.com. Sixti is the low cost alternative.

Peter

Iseeu
05-10-04, 01:07
I must disagree with some of my respected colleagues.
I still find the women selection at Oase to be uniformly good, with some supermodel class women, without the ups and downs that some of the other clubs have, and the most laid back, non-pushy of the FRA area large FKK's. I agree that World is on the rise. I think that we need to see how the events (Palace opening, Atlantis closing) of the last 3-4 months affect the total picture.

Follow the travel directions on this page and you'll easily find both Oase and World.

Toscana
05-10-04, 11:16
I agree with Iseeu. The quality and number of girls at Oase is definitely not to be sniffed at. And I must say the willingness and standard of service have never disappointed me. Nice airco now too.

When in the Frankfurt area I go by mood, time available and the weather. Less time, the central ones (now incl. Palace); more time, Oase and World are in easy reach. Weather good, I go for the gardens; Oase for example is a really nice setting. Don't like one, zip along the autobahn to the next.

You have to hand it to these Germans. First they set up a great system of FKKs everywhere. And then they go and link them all up with those magnificent autobahns... True vision :-) :-)

TravelMen
05-10-04, 14:17
Sounds like six and half a dozen then.

Think I shall give palace a go and get the hotel.

I can get deals with Hertz cars. Do they have GPS with any of the models.

Is it worth going into Frankfurt and trying a few bars then heading off the FKK later?

I don't know what the Frankfurt bar scene is like. Are the German women easy pick ups?

Iseeu
05-10-04, 21:03
Toscana,
Loved that last comment . You're in my head man. That is so right.
"Hmmm, If we're going to have FKK's, we have to make sure the men in the fast Mercedes can get there easily so let's build the autobahn."
Or was it like this:
" Hmmm. we spent all that geld on building the best highway system in the world, how can we make sure that the men in the fast Mercedes cars will use them? I know let's build beautiful affordable brothels all over the place." Great stuff.

Peter
05-10-04, 22:02
TM,

Hertz has quite a few cars with GPS. I remember renting a Mondeo with GPS there once. It usually says so on the web site. But be careful, the GPS is set up in German and sometimes it is tough to get the right city as some of these places have cities with the same name throughout germany. I do know that it is tough to programe Oase into the system.

Frankfurt has a very good bar scene. I think I have listed some of the best bars and clubs in the Frankfurt section about a year back or so.

Picking up German chicks is much like picking up american Chicks, at least for me, but I speak the language and live locally. I think the chances of picking up German girls as a foreigner are not great. some girls are into black americans for an adventure, but most german girls aren't looking for one night stands with strangers, unless they are on vacation.

If you do stay in a hotel by the train station there is a decent dance club called Galleria right there, usually a lot of hot chicks there, although the place is starting to age and needs a redo soon.

Peter

TravelMen
05-11-04, 04:35
Thanks Peter

So do you think it is possible to do the club/bars and do the FKK in one night.

I was going to get a hotel near Palace (the Ibis I think).

Is it easy getting from Frankfurt to Palace by train, and vice versa.

If you think doing both is a hassle I shall just do Palace.

I assume the club gets busy late, so then I can't get to Palace in time. The FKK is my priority, with the bars/clubs as a bonus if possible.

Carnal1
05-11-04, 13:46
Travelman,

If you stay at the Ibis you make it more difficult to use public tranport to the other areas in Frankfurt. There are plenty of good hotels across from the Main Hbf for 50-70 Euros per night AND you can walk across the street to use both the Trains and taxis if needed. Taxi to Palace for 10 E each way and that way you can take the train close to Oase and then another short taxi to that club. World is too far to travel via Public transport so you would either need to rent a car or hitch a ride.

The Palace will not dissapoint you,, just don't show up at 22:00 on a saturday night otherwise you may find youself waiting for both a girl and a room. Get there around 17:00 when the night shift starts to show up,hang out by the front bar and you can survey the action as they walk in.

N-joy,

Carnal1 aka Lanrac

CBGBConnisur
05-11-04, 14:46
Peter, I'm not too sure if I can say that German women don't like foreigners. I happened to steal one of your "best and brightest" and took her home :).

Doctor_Skank
05-11-04, 15:52
Generalizing somewhat out of necessity, here is my take... I have a lot of experience in Germany dating, chasing and (occasionally) fucking women:

I agree with Peter that German women are much like American women in the time it takes to bed them... you won't require too much time to bed them... they don't require long drawn out courtship since most of them aren't interested in marriage or long term relationships anyway. BUT you'll be hard pressed to close the deal in a single night. Especially very pretty women will usually require more courting than a glass of red wine.

There are particular "party" pubs in nearly every town where loose morals preside, the guy-girl ratio is really shitty at such places though... and the discos are generally full of meathead Mr.Clean clone steroid abusers and peroxide blonde makeup abusers.

Moreover, average white guys will be lumped together with all the other white Germans and you will be facing a lot of competition... just being American isn't going to do it, especially considering the current political situation. Being American will help you get a conversation started, but you'll have to be clever to make it go somewhere.

German girls are the LEAST materialistic I have ever met. That is a plus if you want a girl to like you for your personality, but if you are looking for a one night stand your Rolex watch and Armani suit may not get you anywhere.

The younger the women the more interested they are in Americans... that is one of the good things. Bad thing is, young women (18-21) generally aren't interested in guys over 30.

Racism isn't a negative factor in Germany, if anything black Americans and hispanics will have the "exotic factor" on their side and among certain women will have it easier than white guys to score.

My favorite German women are Turkish... and Turkish women are more likely to go for a white American than for a German guy. Turkish girls dig Americans... I don't know why, but they do. Not that getting a Turkish girl is easy... possible in cities with universities where "modern" Turkish women live but in smaller towns it is next to impossible and probably not worth trying.

Speaking the language helps a lot... despite the prejudice that all Germans speak fluent English, practice shows that this is far from the truth. Being educated about the country and Europe and not being "the stupid American" will also help.

People generally like Americans or are indifferent to them (only few actually dislike them) but many people expect Americans to be happy, loud, fat and stupid people. Friendly and fun... but stupid. This prejudice seems to be on the rise. Thanks George. Work against the prejudice, be the "enlightened American". Watch her gain interest as her liberal education anti-American prejudice lies in shambles at her feet and she starts asking herself if she shouldn't fuck you to see what it is like.

Hurry up in your courtship, German women are getting fatter and uglier every year. The cities are holding their own, there are lots of cute women there... but the rest of the country is going downhill fast.

Go to FKKs. That is what you are here for and that is where the best fucking is going on.

Optimist
05-11-04, 18:41
Dr Skank

Excellent summary - as a European I can only confirm your take on how to beat the stereotype. Nothing I like more than meeting a real American who doesn't fit the steretype and undermines my prejudice!
And yes - the weight of western Europeans is rocketing year by year

TravelMen
05-11-04, 19:12
Get there at 17:00. Wow that early.
And only E10 to palace.

great. So the best thing (I think) is leave the car near main station, get a hotel there, then go to Palace early to change the oil.
After that hit the bars, when the need to bed a women will not be so great.

Doc_skank: Can you suggest some bars? Are you the same Moscow Dr?

Snowman66
05-12-04, 05:19
Is there anyone out there from Los Angeles? I would like to make a trip to Germany and do the FKK scene, however, I have never gone there and could use a lot of advice.

I usually go to Amsterdam. Is it true the German FKK clubs are that much better?

If you live in LA, let's get together. I will buy you dinner, drinks or whatever to learn more about how to do it right in Germany.

Thanks!

Optimist
05-12-04, 09:18
Snowman

not from LA but I've done a brief guide under the General Info section

If you can cope with Amsterdam then FKKs will be a lot more comfortable, rip-off free and cheaper. If you like window-shopping before you buy then go to one of the larger FKKs where you have a larger choice.

Amsterdam is a lot nearer for me but I don't go anymore - too much like a conveyor belt.

CBGBConnisur
05-12-04, 13:46
German FKKs are better than anything in Amsterdam. Especially if you look at the cost of the clubs and the cost of hotels and other things Germany is a better value for pay for play.

Hessen Bub
05-13-04, 09:18
If you wish to visit a really good FKK-Club in Germany go to the Oase in Burgholzhausen or the Palace in Frankfurt-Hausen or even the FKK-World near Giessen (not my favorite, not enough girls except on special events). Nothings compares to it, the clubs in Hessen are the best by far.

I doubt Atlantis will ever open again in the old manner. If they reopen they will underly surveillance through the Altenstadt authorities. But Oase and Palace are good alternatives to our beloved "living-room". ;-)

Hessen Bub, homeless sind March 21st

Peter
05-14-04, 00:01
Hessen Bub,

Same one from RF?

I personally think the FKK's in the Cologne/Düsseldorf compare very well to the ones in the Frankfurt area. Particularly Planet Happy Garden and Wildenrath compare Favourable.

Peter

Hessen Bub
05-14-04, 11:38
Same one from RF?

Yes Sir.

I do not know Wildenrath, but PHG is different from the big clubs in Hessen, which I prefer. I did not like the atmosphere of a hospital with all the guys in bath robes. And I prefer clubs with public action which is not allowed in PHG.

Hessen Bub, still in good hope that the sunken city will rise again soon.

GandJim
05-14-04, 15:32
Sorry everybody, I have been patiently following your discussions here for a while, but shouldn't they be posted somewhere else, like in General Info ? (I thought that's what shiatsu wanted to say in a diplomatic way) ;)

This section is for FKK Atlantis. Maybe it should be kept for info on what's going on with the closing, when it will reopen (if it ever will) or where some former Atlantis girls are now. :)

Jim

Otto
05-14-04, 16:34
Aa far as I know the Atlantis is closed.

Why do you guys care?

There was a police raid, and since then closed due to renovation.

Hessen Bub
05-14-04, 20:52
If you'd like to know where a particular Atlantis girl is - ask me.

There are discussions going on about the re-opening. Let's sit and wait.

Otto: Why do I care? Because Atlantis was the best club in Germany. And I lost my homebase.

Hessen Bub, still mournin'

GandJim
05-15-04, 21:24
Hi HB,

Do you know for Angelika from Siberia and Laura from Kazakhstan by any chance ? :)

Jim

Fats
05-16-04, 03:01
GandJim,

Angelika is working at the Palace, the former Paradies.

Hessen Bob,

Do you know where Nancy from Atlantis is now?

Thanks for any help.

Hessen Bub
05-16-04, 21:44
Nancy? German? I heard she quit, but that's not confirmed.

Angelique is at www.the-palace.de, Laura was at Palace and Oase. Haven't seen her for long.

Hessen Bub

Ronnie
05-17-04, 11:39
I am missing Atlantis very much, but I am glad I had the chance to see the club 6 times. I had about 20 different girls there and about 95% of them was memorable.

Can someone help me to trace where some of the girls have gone ?

Beata fra Ukraine. 165" blonde. Early 20s
Natascha from Belarus 170" blonde. Mid twenties
Laura from Kazakstan 175" blonde. Early twenties
Cibela from Turkey 165" dark. Early twenties

________________________________
Atlantis has sunk deep down in the sea,
this wonderful placed where i loved to be,
but in my dreams Atlantis will start to rise,
and open the gate to our Paradise

Hessen Bub
05-18-04, 18:05
Laura was seen in Palace and Oase. I haven't seen her in the last 2 weeks.

Zibel (Turkey) is at the Palace. www.the-palace.com

Hessen Bub, waiting for the re-opening

Hessen Bub
05-18-04, 18:22
Zibel is at the Palace. Laura was seen at Oase and Palace, haven't seen her around in the last 2 or 3 weeks

Hessen Bub

Minimus
06-02-04, 02:26
If anyone can find Olga from Belarus or Arabella from Bulgaria please let me know.

Thanks.

Hessen Bub
06-03-04, 06:41
Yesterday (Tuesday, June 2nd) Laura was at Oase. Had my first session with her and must say there are lots of other girls at the club I would give a better evaluation.

Hessen Bub

Round the World
06-03-04, 09:52
Minimus
I talked to Olga of Belarus at World a few weeks ago. Ah, Olga, the most beautiful tall red-head I can remember.

Cheers,
RtW

Howie
06-25-04, 05:47
Finally I have write access to the forum.

Just like to say that Lola, the cute Hungarian, from Atlantis can be seen in and around London.

Howie

Hessen Bub
06-28-04, 08:42
Any more details about Lola working in and around London? Heard that London is a rather big place and people at Trafalgar Square might not know who it is when I'm asking for Lola, the hungarian girl.

Hessen Bub

Fats
07-08-04, 16:48
I was near Atlantis last week so I swung by to see if anything has changed.

The big sign where Helmershauserstrasse meets Siemenstrasse has been taken down.

At Atlantis itself, the little signs which used to say open daily from 10-04 have been replaced. The new signs say:

"Atlantis Geschlossen, Wir hoffen dass wir Sie bald weider bei uns begruessen duerfen." Someone else could translate this better than I but the gist of it is: Atlantis closed, we hope to be able to welcome you here again.

The gates were closed, there were no vehicles inside and I didn't see anyone working on the place. So nothing to report really other than nothing seems to be happening there.

Ortos
07-09-04, 10:37
Fats,

Thanks for that up-date. Last week, whilst driving to World along the A45, I contemplated getting off at Altenstadt to take a look too, but never did, so thanks for letting me know I didn't miss anything.

By the way, and some may well disagree with this thought: I really wonder whether Atlantis will be able to re-open successfully. I mean, by now, all the girls have relocated or disappeared into the netherland. World is now the dominant force in Frankfurt area FKKdom. Palace has established itself in its own niche, close to central Frankfurt and with super facilities, food etc. So one wonders whether Atlantis, even if it were to re-open under new mangement or whatever, would really be able to make a successfull come back, given the loss of its momentum.

Personally I always loved the place, but I think it will take a hell of alot for this place to come back. A shame, but that is the way life is sometimes...

Novize
07-09-04, 12:01
The local government of Altenstadt claims, that it is illegal to run a FKK-club, Sauna-Club ir just a brothel in this area. Despite of the fact, that the government needed years to find out what was happening there, it´s 99.9% sure, that the club will never be reopened. The owner of the bulding is currently planning to open a "Wellness-Center", without any girls. And I´m sure that the government will have an eye on everything going on there.

Euro100
07-11-04, 04:11
Here is another sign that Atlantis is dead for good:

If you go to http://www.fkk-atlantis.com/ (or .de), you are now forwarded to ladies.de.

Atlantis was an amazing place for the couple of years that it existed. Just like the "real" Atlantis, it is now legend. If someone were to write a history of this place, I would sure buy it. It would make for some very interesting reading.

By the way, Novize's report on the local zoning laws in Altenstadt is correct. I was always surprised that this business was tolerated at the location it was, next to the Tennis Center, and across from apartment buildings that had a view into its outdoors area. I suspected that local politicians were bribed, and after I read about the scandal that brought Atlantis down, I am even more convinced that this happened.

But now that the shit hit the fan, no politician will want to sign a permit for Atlantis again.

Euro

P.S.: I do not get too misty-eyed over Atlantis' sinking. I always thought it was too dark in there, and the whole business had a little bit too much of an assembly-line feel to it. The selection was great, but no better than what I saw a couple of weeks ago at Oase and also at FKKW.

Catalyst
07-12-04, 05:38
2000 years from now when professors of ancient history and mythology lecture on the fabled Atlantis, I wonder which one they will be talking about.

Stinky Pete
08-23-04, 04:25
I was at FKK World near Giessen recently and talked with one of the women who used to work at Atlantis. She said Atlantis would re-open under new ownership in September. I have heard talk like this before and nothing came of it, so we will just have to wait and see.

BodyRockerForU
08-30-04, 13:01
I hope the news is true. I guess we all miss Atlantis.

Hessen Bub
09-01-04, 09:27
Some girls are not willing to accept that Atlantis will not reopen in the near future or probably never. It has been closed for almost 6 months now, there are good alternatives in the region, the girls have found new "homes" and I will believe in a re-opening of Atlantis when standing inside at the bar, looking at 70-80 naked top-girls and then having a blow job on one of the couches.

Call me negative, I call it realistic.

Hessen Bub

Ronnie
09-01-04, 12:20
Atlantis was the best club among the 7 I have visited. I would definitively go back if it reopened. I miss all the wonderful times in this "spizte" club.

Every girl I met in Palace, World or Oase that used to work in Atlantis also said she missed Atlantis.

I am sure "The new Atlantis" would be a great success from day 1. The brand name "Atlantis" of FKK clubs is almost as strong as Coca-Cola among soft drinks.

Ron

Dedalus
09-12-04, 15:48
Hessen und Novize,

Is there any real substance to the rumors that Atlantis may reopen on Sept. 30?

Cheers and many thanks,

Dedalus

Novize
09-12-04, 15:51
A "colleague" of the german Roemerforum called Atlantis and got this date confirmed. Another one drove there and saw people working and renovating.

We will see, if the government has changed it´s mind.

Hessen Bub
09-12-04, 18:08
Signs are heaping that Atlantis may reopen on 09/30. Let's wait and see. On the FKK-World homepage an opening of FKK-World II is announced for November 1st.

Hessen Bub

Ortos
09-12-04, 20:12
Like everyone else that experienced Atlantis in its heyday, I also felt a pang of joy/nostalgia/longing that this club would re-open, when I read the posts below.

But to be cautious, one should truely believe it when you see it, eh?

Signs of rennovation work have been reported. Any re-confirmation?

It will re-open on 30/09? Will it be the same type of club as before? A bona-fide FKK? If so, will girls now re-established in clubs like Palace or Oase suddenly desert their new working grounds and return to the nest?

As to the question of "has the government changed its mind": Well, maybe the question of hypocrysy came up: Does anybody really think there was anything going on at Atlantis before that was not happening to a greater or lesser degree at all the other clubs? So what the fuck: Close down Atlantis for a while and send a message. Give at least one club 10 lashes and let the others take note. Now suitably wrapped on the knuckles, let the gates to this sex den open again.

Man, I wish it was true! I'd certainly make this my first visit, at least on my way to check out World!

Novize
09-12-04, 20:47
Ortos,

No one knows.

At least it will be run by a new management. We´ll have to see how they do their job.

When many girls can´t wait for the reopening (as was posted here), then they will surely get back. I think, they hope for more money to earn there. So they will stay at Atlantis only, if their wishes come true.

The local government stated officially, that prostitution is not allowed in this area. The mayor of Altenstadt stated, that any business done there could only be done in full respect of the law.

So there is still a risk, that they won´t treat the new Atlantis not as "liberally" as the old one.

The issues causing the closing of the old Atlantis were drug-dealing, slave trade and fiscal fraud. Under these circumstances, the new Atlantis won´t have an easy start.

Bruce Ley
09-12-04, 20:51
My God, this is wonderful news. Let's PLEASE keep each other updated on the developments - this is perfect timing, because I will be in Frankfurt in October!

Bruce.

Catalyst
09-13-04, 04:57
I can't believe it may be opening again. That's such wonderful news, it's so, so...

(sob!, sob!, sob!, sob! ...sniffle ... )

Sorry, (sniffle .. ) I'm ok now ...

Let's keep our fingers crossed. Love to hear from anyone who can veryfy that people are working on the building? Where did the Sept. 30 date come from?

Novize
09-13-04, 11:34
FKK-Atlantis announced it´s opening on Sept 30th in an advertisement in today´s BILD-newspaper.

Boofer
09-13-04, 12:32
That could be the best news ever. Can anybody confirm this with a certain degree on confidence. I've called their number, but somebody answered in German.

Hessen Bub
09-13-04, 13:46
Atlantis will definitely reopen on September 30th. But will it ever be the old Atlantis again?!

Watch the add.

Hessen Bub

Dedalus
09-13-04, 16:35
Many thanks H. Bub and Novize!

I may not be able to make the festivities on the 30th, but I will check it out on 2.10.

More than whether or not ATL will be like it was, I am curious to see the mädelshift that always happens when a "new" club opens.

Dedalus

Ortos
09-13-04, 18:11
Well it all looks real, eh? In about 2 weeks we'll know.

Here's the question: If we add a newly opened Atlantis to the mix of Palace/Oase/World, are four FKK clubs too many for the Frankfurt area to handle? Will this be the straw the breaks the back? Is the demand there? Will Palace or World suffer from the opening, or will there just be more and more girls targeting the Frankfurt area?

So many questions, most of them retorical, to ponder. Life is good, ja?

It will be interesting to read the posts on this thread during the first week of October...

Sleip
09-13-04, 18:26
As it seems FKK-World plans also to open a FKK-World 2 in Frankfurt area.

Rumors said,that Frankfurt´s F35 will be takeover by the owners of Giessen.

Another club in Frankfurt,so we have maybe 5.

Ronnie
09-13-04, 20:28
Atlantis is back :-)

Normally it takes time to build up a FKK. It took a while for World, but I doubt it will take long time for Atlantis. Atlantis was a hit and will be a hit if they manage to keep the girls.

I am sure the market is big enough around the F-area to have more than 4 big clubs. I am more worried that there will be enough high class girls.

No doubt that Palace, Oase and World will suffer from the Atlantis reopening. But thats how the market works and thats will gain all us in here.

17 days left

Ron

Peter
09-13-04, 21:06
for those going on the 30th, be warned...grand openings always suck! they have way too many guys and rarely enough girls, and the girls are of low quality, because they are desperate for any girls whatsoever.

when atlantis opened the first time it was pathetic to bad for at least the first 6 months, it took the club almost a year to get up to speed. atlantis 2001 was really great, but atlantis early 2004 was average at best.

also, ortos could well be right. atlantis opening again isn't going to bring any new customers. anyone who was into fkk's didn't quit going when atlantis closed, he just went somewhere else. these clubs advertise with huge ads in the largest circulation daily paper. everybody knows about them and virtually anyone who wants to go to a club is going to the clubs. re-opening this 4th one is going to make all 4 lamer. it is time for some consolodation, only the facilities can get better, and i go for the ladies. more clubs means the density of ladies/club is smller. i have to go to more clubs to find the same number of good girls. i rarely remember anyone really complaining about overcorwoding of clubs and the neeed for more space. to be really honest i long for the days when there were 2 clubs per big town, that is when it was really great. that is when those pictures on the oase and atlantis home pages of 50-70 girls asses were taken.

peter

Dedalus
09-13-04, 23:58
Peter,

You as usual make good sense. I also have to admit that I have grown use to the "FKK Layout" in Frankfurt. Who knows where all my favorites will end up by late October.

I just got back from the Palace and talked to several of the girls. About 70% told me that they were going to try out the new Atlantis to see what it is like. A few others (my favorite included) told me that they would stay put for awhile and then decide. I would bet that the Oase girls are probably taking the same attitude.

Oase has always and will probably continue to thrive. It has its ups and downs but nevers has a long stretch when it is not worth a visit. My hope is that a fourth FKK will not damage Palace. It has become one of my favorites, not only for the atmosphere and the Mädels, for also because it is so convienent for the business traveler.

Even though openings can be a let down, one can probably count on ca. 5 Top Acts to be present for at least a few days.

Take care Peter. I may be up in your neck of the woods at the end of the month.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Hessen Bub
09-14-04, 06:51
Local press is writing about the re-opening. It is in German, but I put it here anyway. The mayor and the new carrier do have different views whether is is legal to run a FKK-Club in Altenstadt or not, looks like the courts will decide:

"Altenstädter Kreis-Anzeiger:

Lokales 14.09.2004 00:00 Uhr

"Tabulose" Feier zur Neueröffnung
Sauna- und FKK-Club Atlantis jetzt unter neuer Leitung - Rechtsgutachten sorgt allerdings für Irritation

Guido StriegnitzALTENSTADT. "Wir sind wieder da", heißt es in Zeitungsanzeigen, verbunden mit dem Versprechen: "Das wird tabulos gefeiert". Was Beobachter inzwischen nicht mehr für möglich hielten, scheint wahr zu werden: Der Altenstädter Sauna- und FKK-Club Atlantis will Donnerstag, 30. September, die Pforten wieder öffnen. Vergangenen März war der Club "mit den besten Top-Nixen weltweit" nach einer Razzia von Staatsanwaltschaft und Polizei behördlich geschlossen worden. Gegen Inhaber und Manager wurde wegen Steuerhinterziehung und Menschenhandel ermittelt. Der "oberste Boss" konnte von den Ermittlern nach mehrwöchigem Untertauchen in Spanien verhaftet werden. Es dauerte nicht lange und die Diskussion um die Zukunft des Clubs entbrannte, weil die dort Beschäftigten mit Geschäftsleuten aus Altenstadt und der Region Appelle an Altenstadts Gemeindevertreter richteten, einer Wiedereröffnung unter neuer Leitung nichts in den Weg zu stellen. Dies war verbunden mit Hinweis auf die rund 60 Arbeitsplätze, die das Atlantis bot, aber auch auf die wirtschafts- und steuernfördernde Bedeutung des Sauna-Clubs. Zumal der Grundstückseigner bemühte sich um Wiedereröffnung, weil er naheliegendes Interesse an einträglicher Vermarktung der Immobilie hat. Er gründete vor zwei Monaten eine Betreibergesellschaft, in der er zu 51 Prozent Mehrheitsgesellschafter ist. Die übrigen 49 Prozent gehören einem Kaufmann aus Frankfurt, der als Gesellschafter und Geschäftsführer des Atlantis zugleich fungiert. Die negativen Vorfälle der Vergangenheit sollen sich nicht wiederholen, betonen die neuen Männer an der Spitze des Sauna-Clubs und versprechen kontrollierbare Geschäftsführung und jederzeit engen Behörden-Kontakt. Altenstadts Bürgermeister Norbert Syguda zeigte sich gestern von der angekündigten Neueröffnung nicht gerade begeistert, obwohl er die Entwicklung hatte kommen sehen. Dass seine rechtliche Auffassung und die der neuen Atlantis-Betreiber konträr ist, war in vorangegangenen Gesprächen bereits deutlich geworden. Es bestehe nach wie vor keineswegs die Legitimation zum Betreiben des Atlantis als bordellähnlicher Betrieb, wie er zugegebenermaßen einst geduldet worden sei. Genehmigt aber sei dies nie gewesen. Und auf dieser Grundlage könne auch kein Bestandsschutz von den neuen Betreibern abgeleitet werden. Damit spielt Syguda auf das Rechtsgutachten eines Verwaltungexperten an, das die Betreiber in Auftrag gaben und Bürgermeister und Kreisbauamt zukommen ließen. Der Hintergrund ist keineswegs unkompliziert. Seinerzeit erließ die Gemeinde eine Veränderungssperre zum Bebauungsplan, der die Liegenschaft Atlantis betrifft. Und auf Grund der Sperre sind "bordellartige Betriebe" im betreffenden Gewerbegebiet nicht zulässig. Es gehe letztlich um die Vereinbarung des Betriebs des FKK-Clubs mit der Baugenehmigung, heißt es beim Bauamt. Die Betreiber betonen, die Veränderungssperre sei erst vorgenommen worden, nachdem am 10. August 2001 die Baugenehmigung für den FKK-Club erteilt war. Gemeinde und Bauamt hätten gewusst, was im Atlantis lief, weil der Club schon September 2000 den Betrieb aufgenommen hätte. Nur eins ist gewiss: Beim Wetteraukreis analysieren die Juristen derzeit das Rechtsgutachten nach Strich und Faden. Und selbst Klärung beim Verwaltungsgericht scheint nicht mehr ausgeschlossen."

Hessen Bub

Whitey2
09-14-04, 07:02
Well, tickle my nickels. Atlantis is re-opening! I was last there in January and plan on being back in Germany before the year is out. How's that for missing the down time?

I have many, many fond memories of sexual encounters in Atlantis, and one slightly humorous memory, which is this:

The place has (had, anyway) an automated crapper. These may be common in Europe - I don't know - but it was a new experience for this Yankee. On my first visit, after putting my clothes in my locker I went straight to the john just to take a leak, and since there was some paper or stuff in the bowl I tried to flush the crapper before using it. Just habit. Anyway, I hit the wrong button and a little scrub-brush popped out, the seat started rotating, and the little brush scrubbed the seat in a full rotation. Then it popped back into its hiding place.

I'm way past my ganja days, which is probably a good thing. If I'd been high and seen that happen I might've just declared myself too ripped to function and suited back up and left.

Tropical Joe
09-14-04, 07:10
To me Atlantis was the greatest paradise there was any where. So I'm very happy and excited that it's going to reopen and that I'll be able to return there. I think Atlantis should return to its former glory quickly, unless if the local authorities harrass them. So hopefully the authorities will leave them alone and hopefully Atlantis will get back to how great it once was, soon.

Novize
09-14-04, 08:32
Tropical Joe,

The article posted by Hessen Bub says, that the local government is checking the legal situation. That doesn´t read as if they wanted to leave Atlantis alone.

And the article says, the new Atlantis-management wants to work togehter closely with the local gvernment. If this is meant honestly, there will be a big problem to get 100 girls to this place again.

Toscana
09-14-04, 12:15
Hessen Bub

thanks for the interesting article. The position being taken by the local mayor strikes me as political CYA after his original statements ruling out a re-opening. A kind of fig-leaf if you like. And the legal opinion stuff (which I did not really understand) is hopefully a ruse to blur and distract to the same end. I hope so.

At the end of the day, the mayor and ruling counsel have a strong interest in employment and local taxes in Altenstadt. A re-opening (unlike the girls) must just be fully-clothed politically so the politicians can live with it vis-a-vis the voters.

So, as long as the new management plays it carefully (cooperative info policy, full payment of taxes, no sniff of people-trafficking, price policy which pays lip service to equal membership for men and women entering the club), I hope and pray it will succeed. It is a difficult balancing act, because as we see the advertising campaign is by its nature already pretty provocative. But if no rules are broken, I am hopeful the police and tax authorities will remain what they doubtless were in the past: occasional customers :-)

The future then rests with the quality and service of the girls.

Travelin Guy
09-14-04, 19:39
I will be back to Europe for couple weeks in Oct. for a business trip. I remember Som (from Thailand) who used to work at Atlantis.

Has anybody seen her working in any of the other clubs lately?

Or perhaps you could recommend a club where a larger percentage of the ladies are asian?

Fats
09-15-04, 23:37
From www.altenstadt.de, the official homepage of the local government:



Stellungnahme des Bürgermeisters zur geplanten Wiedereröffnung des „Atlantis“

Bürgermeister Norbert Syguda teilt mit, dass für die Wiedereröffnung des „Atlantis“ keinerlei Genehmigungen, gleich welcher Art, erteilt wurden. Alle derartigen Gerüchte und Behauptungen sind schlichtweg falsch.

Die Gemeinde Altenstadt steht auf dem Standpunkt, dass, gleich welche Nutzung der Gebäude stattfindet, eine baurechtliche Genehmigung durch das Kreisbauamt des Wetteraukreises erforderlich ist.

Das zuständige Kreisbauamt ist informiert und wird alle rechtlichen Möglichkeiten ausschöpfen, um eine Wiedereröffnung des „Atlantis“ zu verhindern.


Altenstadt, den 15.09.2004


- Norbert Syguda -
Bürgermeister


Basically the mayor of Altenstadt is saying Atlantis will re-open over his dead body. Given how long Oase II was open, I think the Polizei might be some of the first guests on the 30th of September.

Ortos
09-16-04, 06:06
Gee, if only they knew how many people (both men and women, ja!) want Atlantis back!

Can not the mongers of Deutschland and the International Mongers Union demonstrate or something?

Maybe we could enlist the support of former Great Ones Helmut Kohl and Bill Clinton to be our spokesmen in this?

CBGBConnisur
09-16-04, 13:06
I knew it, Atlantis would never stay closed permanently.

NastyBoy
09-16-04, 18:13
Well, like they say down in Texas,


YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!



NB

Peter
09-16-04, 19:23
Guys,

Do you also wish that Joe Dimaggio was still playing baseball.

There was nothing inherent in Atlantis that made it a superior club. It was run badly to mediocre at best in the last year. Girls were making up their own prices, talent was good some days, horrible others, facilities were generally sub par on the hygiene side, and there are NO top acts who have left the business now that Atlantis has closed that will get back into because it will reopen.

You guys are treating this like it is a high school reunion where you hope to get laid by the hottest cheerleader. Don't be too dissappointed if she has packed on 20 pounds and has 3 kids in the meantime.

When I had only visited 2 clubs Atlantis was my favourite, after that it never made it above 4th place.

If they drop the entrance down to 50€ and keep the girls on line then maybe there is a reason for going there instead of the other FFM clubs. Remember this was always the first club to raise their prices.

I for one will be sticking to the Cologne/Düsseldorf/Dortmund area clubs unless I happen to be in the FFM area with some time on my hands. Then I would probably try out palace once and Oase, but i would have to read a lot of good reports about Atlantis to head to altenstadt again.

Hopefully for you guys it will be open longer than the 8 minutes that Oase 2 managed.

Peter

Ortos
09-16-04, 21:18
Re the longing for Atlantis:

I don't know that I would go as far with my enthusiasm as our Texas friend just below (is that you Gerogie W?...Down boy!), and even though one can indeed find legetimate faults with Atlantis, as Peter has clearly indicated, this Altenstadt club did, for me, at least, have a particular "vibe" that I found addictive.

Thinking back on it, after reading Peter's post, I would have to say he's right --but in a different way:

I was not addicted to any particular provider or starlet, nor did I find everything about the place brilliant, but it was, for me, very much like my FKK High School. Now that I have moved on to University, graduating to other clubs in the process, I still have a strong sense of nostalgia and desire to revist Atlantis. Thus I wish it luck in it's attempt to re-open, even though I doubt it will be exactly the as I remember it.

It's the same when I go back to Vegas: I always want to go back to that first casino where I learned the subtleties and nuances of No Limit Hold 'em in poker. When I re-visit that cardroom where I learned my first hard lessons, I get a special "buzz."If I don't get any luck there after an hour or two, I move on to one of my main playing casinos down the strip. I just feel like going back to Atlantis will make my juices really flow.

Call me --and perhaps some others on this thread-- a crazy romantic, but the Vibe is an important consideration. Whether that vibe can be re-kindled in the new club, and, indeed, whether the club itself survives even one phase of the moon remains to be seen...as does the girl line-up situation. Can't imagine it being as vast and spectacular as it was at certain times a year or a year-and-a-half ago!

To sum it all up: I still hope I will one day soon be driving down the A45 and into that Industrial Estate to enter that dimly-lit erotic den called Atlantis.

Oh, and fuck Joe Dimaggio...Just bring back the Beatles!



Ortos

Dedalus
09-16-04, 22:57
Ted Williams was a better pure hitter. And Willie Mays owned them both.

Is anyone laying down odds as to how long Atlantis will stay open? There is a line on nearly everything. Why not this?

Cheers,

Dedalus

Euro100
09-17-04, 00:17
Ortos: "fuck Joe Dimaggio"? Boy, you must be desperate; he wasn't that good looking. ;-)

Dedalus: I am guessing that Atlantis will sink within the first hour after opening.

By the way, my first encounter with the mongering scene was at Sudfass. It was great ... until I went to Oase ... that was great until I went to Atlantis ... which was the best until I went to World.

Am I nostalgic for Sudfass? It's still open, but I never go there any more. Oase? Sure, and sometimes I go there. Atlantis? Well, not in t he first week, for sure. But after that, who knows? I am eager to read the reports of the first few brave men to go back there.

Cheers
Euro

Whitey2
09-17-04, 03:35
Fats:

Maybe the mayor of Altenstadt and the local constables have some sort of weird differentiation between commercial sex and commercial sex on a large scale. I'm pretty sure that X-Treff, which is also in Altenstadt, is crankin' along quite nicely, unless they shut it down in the last 24 hours or so.

whitey2

Fats
09-17-04, 07:39
Whitey2:


Altenstadt is the home of X-Treff as well as Tanjas Paradise, Jaqueline, Haus Nr. 3, et al.


I don't think they differentiate between small scale commercial sex and large scale commercial sex. They differentiate between commercial sex and:

a) Bribing public officials
b) Drug trafficking
c) Tax evasion
d) "Employing" people on tourist visas
e) [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), i.e. sex slaves

a, c and d are probably common to most sex oriented businesses, b is asking for trouble, and e is inexcusable. Atlantis was supposed to be guilty on all counts.

Hessen Bub
09-17-04, 08:07
Theres news in public press: Local authorities will do all they can to prevent Atlantis from reopening. So wait and see, I would not bet on a permanent reopening.

Hessen Bub

NastyBoy
09-18-04, 01:16
Didn't someone say that they were reopening under new management/ownership?

I couldn't translate everything in that article, but I understood the previous owner was on the run in Spain. Whether they caught him and convicted him or not, I coudn't make out.

Maybe it's the local politics that's the difference, but I can't see why an operation like World can function in an area not 30 minutes away from Altenstadt, and not get busted.

I won't be getting back to good old Deutschland till December, but I did like the ambience, the facilities, etc. Wasn't too crazy about the synthetic food, but when the place was jumping it was heaven on earth. So many beautiful, naked women all over the place from so many different locales. mmmmm, yum yum. I especially grew fond of that Russian nookie. The Romanian nookie wasn't all that bad either.

I hope they succeed and it will be even better than the glory days when I get there in December.

NB

CBGBConnisur
09-18-04, 02:26
Almost all the women in FKK clubs are illegal aliens in some way or another. Some become "legal" by marrying a German. One girl at Atlantis, a Czech, was married to a German plumber. She was a fucking BABE and you would expect she would have a boyfriend that looks like Tom Cruise, nope, this dude was fat and out of shape a total Girlie man, and had his butt crack sticking out of his jeans. Actually in Europe, I've seen a lot of fat losers with gorgeous babes(usually both the man and woman are roughly the same age), you just don't see this in America unless they are goldiggers preying on a rich old fart. Eastern Europe is to Germany as Mexico is to the USA, Southeast Asia is to Australia, etc.