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Hessen Bub
11-23-13, 13:54
Need to watch out for lady boys too.They are more or less only working at Elbestrasse 53 (Leierkasten). You can have great sessions in the RLD for 30 EUR including BBBJ, CIM and even BBFS if you are into that.
HB
I just came back from my first trip in Germany.
I stayed in a hotel near Frankfurt central station (Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof) as my strategic base, and I visited the Red Light District (twice) , FKK Oase (once) , FKK Dietzenbach (once) , FKK Sharks (twice) via the convenient public transportation from Frankfurt Hbf, and then I either walk or take a taxi directly to the FKK clubs.
"Oase report"
12. 11. 13 Tuesday.
Get into Oase at about 5pm, and left just about 11pm, because I lost my mood after one shitty session and one so-so session in Oase.
First one was Carly, from Italy. She approached me appeared to be kind and honest in the kino.
After we go to the room, everything changed.
She started to explain "her rules":"50EUR for suck and only hand job"and"100EUR for suck and nice fuck. Etc bullshit "
I was a bit shocked at this kind of attitude change, and replied:"Well, but 50EUR should include suck and fuck."
She replied:"No. 50EUR is just hand job."You go to a FKK (paying upfront fee). You expect 'standard' service'. So if the FKK management is failing to enforce minimum standards. They are in trouble.
Oase is part of my to do list in my up coming trip. Should I change to another venue?
Thanks.
Sam
Hessen Bub
11-23-13, 18:10
My opinion: Skip Oase for World or Sharks.
HB
You go to a FKK (paying upfront fee). You expect 'standard' service'. So if the FKK management is failing to enforce minimum standards. They are in trouble.
Oase is part of my to do list in my up coming trip. Should I change to another venue?
Thanks.
SamTo me Oase always had a certain percentage of girls that were upsell, or poor service or just to business like expecting the guy to just lie back and be done with whatever she thought was good. All clubs have some bad girls. Oase still has plenty of good girls, its just about what is your probability of finding mostly great girls without too many issues.
I think it is perceived that this probability has been declining. Regular customers may have collected a set of favourite girls over time, and as long as sufficient of the favourites remain, no problem. Guys who like to change girls all the time are perhaps facing more challenge to find the good ones. Take your time to assess girls and pick carefully.
There are known great girls or acceptable girls for me including: Lavinia, Magda, Elizabeth, May (Thai) , Crina, kooky Dora, Anna, kooky Carla (Julia)"the ass", Patrizia, if they attend, all fairly reliable service. The list has been declining with girls leaving. I have lost 3 of my top 4 favourites from Oase recently and a few more over longer time. There are other girls known to be good not quite my spec.
If you manage to make use of many highly recommended girls, things could go very well. If you don't know any girls, things could be more difficult. At least Lavinia is highly recommended (looks like a young Marilyn Monroe. Sort of). Also Carla (Erica) very small build with blonde and green hair seems to be very highly recommended.
Solo Traveller faired not so well, but I don't know his Carly. Alexia is an unreliable type I think. I did try her and for me, not enough chemistry to repeat.
Its also worth noting that Oase has seasonal issues. I would say there was a decline in later part of 2012, a big improvement in first half of 2013 (found some great new girls) and then decline again.
Banana Boi
11-23-13, 18:35
My opinion: Skip Oase for World or Sharks.
HB+1
I'd add the underrated Mainhattan to the mix. I thought Mainhattan had some nice looking young girls, almost as good as Sharks but fewer.
Anyone coming to Germany from America for the first time would think Oase is heaven. However, there are plenty of much better choices in both Frankfurt and Dusseldorf than Oase.
Solo Traveler
11-23-13, 20:35
Solo Traveller faired not so well, but I don't know his Carly. Alexia is an unreliable type I think. I did try her and for me, not enough chemistry to repeat.
Its also worth noting that Oase has seasonal issues. I would say there was a decline in later part of 2012, a big improvement in first half of 2013 (found some great new girls) and then decline again.Correction!
I found that I didn't spell the cheating Italy girl's name in a proper way.
The cheating Italy girl's name is pronounced as "car-lie", so the best way to spell it in English should be "Carlisle".
Solo Traveler
11-23-13, 21:17
You should have taken that Italo-Romanian shark to the reception when she started to tell you BS. Never heard of that at Oase, this is RLD behavior. 50 is for DFK, DATY, BBBJ, covered sex. 30min. This report actually confirms to me that Oase is the new Palace. That's why I switched to Sharks and World.Speaking of FKK Sharks, all my sessions in FKK Sharks were good! (with 6 different girls)
I even met a girl who gave me super unforgettable girlfriend experience!
My experience in FKK Sharks were all good, and that was why I went to FKK Sharks twice in two consecutive days (November 17 and 18).
Next time I had a vacation in Frankfurt (probably in July 2014) , I will stick with FKK Sharks, and I will also try FKK World.
Thanks!
RLD FFM: The German girls in the RLD are 99% sharks. Especially in Rotes Haus (Taunusstr. 34) and Leierkasten (Elbestrasse 53). You were lucky to get real sex for 50. Typically they will tell you it is 30 or 50 for sex. You think "Great, I can fuck her!" and in the room she will tell you sex = hand job. The hand job then will be performed with a plastic glove, no body contact at all. There's exceptions, but not too many. If you want to find a good girl in the RLD, read the local German boards.
HBThanks again.
Next time, I may still give the Frankfurt Red Light District a try, but I will not expect too much from there.
TankTank123
11-24-13, 01:15
Regular customers may have collected a set of favourite girls over time, and as long as sufficient of the favourites remain, no problem. Guys who like to change girls all the time are perhaps facing more challenge to find the good ones.As a periodic but infrequent visitor. 5 to 6 to times a year for about 5 to 6 days each time, I find it optimal to patronize a big club like Oase as I would then be able to maintain a core of 1st tier regulars who would reliably keep me satisfied. For example, in my trip last week, I sessioned with 5 of my 6 1st tier regulars, less Lavinia who was missing, on Sunday. On Monday, no 1st tier girls were working, but I had another very good day with Elizabeth, and 3 of my 2nd tier regulars, namely, Elena, Crina and Magda / Dahlia. I then normally spend the remaining time to try out new girls to find prospects to replenish my list of regulars as and when they retire. Having enough regulars means that I would almost never leave Oase unsatisfied.
I tried Mainhatten a few times over the last few years since they opened, but the girls were always changing. As such, it was a hit and miss each time; and it feels less homely with no familiar faces. I have been to Sharks many times, but I am still struggling to build up a reasonably sized core, as the population pool there to draw from is much smaller than Oase; and I do not have the luxury of being able to go there as often as Syzygies or others.
Anyway, I am flying off now and will not see FKK land again till next year. Happy Silvestre to all those going to the parties!
The process is very simple but the choices are limited. You previously had to pay 65 for entrance fee and now you have to pay 70. With this fee, you get two wrist bands, one for proof of payment and the other is for your ONE meal. The meal choices are:
- if you choose to eat lunch buffet then that will cost you your one meal wrist band.
- if you choose to tough it out and save the wrist band for dinner then it can be traded in for a pizza or
- use the wrist band value (10 euros) towards other a la cart dishes such as specialty pastas etc.
Some have argued that the premium a la carts are not really worth the noted price which can range from 15 euros to 27 euros (if I recall)
Don't make a foolish mistake by attending the lunch buffet at 15:45 because at 16:00 they will clear the buffet table to get ready for dinner. Remember one bowl of cereal can cost you your lone wrist band so use it wisely.
Food has never been my concern but is for others. I usually have a nice meal in my hotel or by the train station before heading to Oase which tends to carry me over well the 18:00 mark. Hope that helps.Sounds like Oase is a waste of time.
Too far out, no food, no drinks, others brothels offer these services so why would you go Oase?
As a periodic but infrequent visitor. 5 to 6 to times a year for about 5 to 6 days each time, I find it optimal to patronize a big club like Oase as I would then be able to maintain a core of 1st tier regulars who would reliably keep me satisfied. For example, in my trip last week, I sessioned with 5 of my 6 1st tier regulars, less Lavinia who was missing, on Sunday. On Monday, no 1st tier girls were working, but I had another very good day with Elizabeth, and 3 of my 2nd tier regulars, namely, Elena, Crina and Magda / Dahlia. I then normally spend the remaining time to try out new girls to find prospects to replenish my list of regulars as and when they retire. Having enough regulars means that I would almost never leave Oase unsatisfied.Very fair assessment. I see you like very much the same types of girl as me.
Yes it takes time to build a favourites list at any club, even Sharks. Not all girls can be perfectly suited. Even Sharks has a few duds. Some girls known to be duds from previous venues where they worked, so no need to try them again.
Correction!
I found that I didn't spell the cheating Italy girl's name in a proper way.
The cheating Italy girl's name is pronounced as "car-lie", so the best way to spell it in English should be "Carlisle".okay That's a bit strange, never heard such a name, and Italian words don't have letter Y I think.
I believe that double vowels in Italian are pronounced separately so the closest to the sound to English "lie" would be something like "Lai" however its unlikely she is really Italian anyway.
I would recommend "Car-lai" as a clearer way to spell it.
CaptCabins
11-24-13, 05:58
First one was Carly, from Italy. She approached me appeared to be kind and honest in the kino.
After we go to the room, everything changed.
She started to explain "her rules":"50EUR for suck and only hand job"and"100EUR for suck and nice fuck. Etc bullshit "
I was a bit shocked at this kind of attitude change, and replied:"Well, but 50EUR should include suck and fuck."
She replied:"No. 50EUR is just hand job."Solo this italian girl does she have a big hair? Dark skin kinda like latina around 170 to 175 cm with heelp. Sparkling white teeth and has a prett face at least a 7/10?
They used to be the standard by which all other FKK's in the Frankfurt area were compared to. No any more. Not even close to what it once was. I agree with other posters: Try World, Sharks or Mainhattan. Oase IS now a big waste of time.
Sounds like Oase is a waste of time.
Too far out, no food, no drinks, others brothels offer these services so why would you go Oase?
Hallowed2323
11-24-13, 12:34
I am NOT exactly a new user of this forum, however this is my first post and I must admit that I could not restrain myself from posting after reading Solo traveler's report.
Over the years, I have always preferred to be a silent spectator gathering information from the posts and making my numerous FKK trips to Artemis (Berlin) , Oase (Hessen) , World, Golden Time (Vienna) , a success. I thank all the fellow punters for previous information over the years on this thread.
Till early this year, I was a regular to FKK Oase (my last trip back in March 2013). In past 3 years, I always had a mix of good as well as bad experiences at Oase, before something unusual which happened last year, when I bumped on to Adela. She has brown skin, black hair, belongs to this Romanian gang of girls at Oase, you could actually confuse her as an indian / pakistani / bangladeshi from the skin tone, unless you talk to her. During my first few visits, it was all great, I used to do 2 or 3 girls, mostly visited on saturdays. I always visited the club alone, and therefore approached a lot more, by girls (maybe because I am still only 28 yrs old). Most of them would not mind talking to me, since they recognized me from my previous visits. I always made it a point to say 'NO' quickly, if approached by a girl who did not appeal to me visually.
Soon, I started to develop a slight bias towards Adela (she admitted herself that she prefers being called by different names to different customers, Claudia, Viviana etc. But for me she is Adela). She was happy to hang with me in the club, even if we were not fucking. She would sit next to me, when not approached by customers, we often ate together as well. Most of the other girls in the so called Romanian gang also recognized me, there was this other girl with curly hair, who was an awesome belly dancer (sorry I am bad with names).
I believe at some point, late last year, I was doing only Adela, we would go in the room at 6 pm, stay there till 9 pm, come out to have dinner (we usually ordered pizza at reception since the food sucked anyway) , hang by the seating area, before she dragged me again to bed at 12. We would fuck in the room for hours with small pauses in the middle, lots of talking and soon in my following trips, I realized that she was also happy sleeping with me too till the close of club. For all this (almost 6 hrs of extreme GFE, something you would not expect from a pros) she was happy to charge only 200 euros. I actually used to tip her, but she never asked more than 200 from her side. One particular thing which I disliked about Adela was that she used to chase away the girls who approached me (who did not belong to this Romanian gang). This continued till my last visit (I know Adela since 3 years) , after which I decided to give it a break, and stopped going to Oase. Adela still texts me sometimes, we also talk on phone sometimes and make plans to meet. However, I have not been to Oase since March 2013, these days I prefer traveling to Frankfurt to spend a night with Adela, while staying at a hotel.
All this, when I do not speak any deutsch (lived long enough, but lazy to learn and wise enough to understand). I sympathize with Solo, for whatever happened, but you never know when you run onto someone like Adela (who may be probably just the right kind for you).
I usually travel a lot overseas all by myself for official work, always make it a point to check RLDs, most recent being Bangkok and phuket.
Dear Solo, Just wear an attitude, if you do not have one, and no damn shark can rip you off. Experience helps!
And by the way, I am an Indian, if this helps. .
Disappointed to know about the recent bad reports on Oase, Adela also told me that the club services have plummeted down. It has always been one of my favorite hunting grounds.
Cheers
They used to be the standard by which all other FKK's in the Frankfurt area were compared to. No any more. Not even close to what it once was. I agree with other posters: Try World, Sharks or Mainhattan. Oase IS now a big waste of time.Interestingly, late last year I was saying World was better than Oase when others said Oase wAs still the best in this area. Early this year Oase improved a lot in the line up. Now it's going bad, does Mauro yet understand that something is wrong and needs fixing? Or is he just going push on blindly with bad batches of new girls.
Will every club in turn go like this as girls get more dissatisfied with a 50?
Where does the real problem lie. It can't be as simple as putting the price up and charges for food, I don't think. Girls are saying they leave because of too many bad girls spoiling the club. Is this the real problem?
Where does the real problem lie. It can't be as simple as putting the price up and charges for food, I don't think. Girls are saying they leave because of too many bad girls spoiling the club. Is this the real problem?Short answer. YES the quality (service, behaviour, apperance) of the Oase girls is the real problem.
Short answer. YES the quality (service, behaviour, apperance) of the Oase girls is the real problem.Which is directly related to the clientele. Mostly Italian tourists (or other non-rgulars) that have low expectations, demands and are not likely to return anytime soon. I was in Andiamo in Austria earlier this year, which has the main problem (and about 95% Italian customers). I met a few girls I knew from Germany and they all told me to forget about DFK and that it was much easier to make money than in Germany; even there they belonged to the mediocre performers.
With the new pricing and the food stuff, Mauro clearly has shown to be more interested in this group of clients (locals know the alternatives) , with fitting girls moving there as well. From what the girls told me about the monthly meetings, it is mostly about how many towels they can use and similar BS. These meetings used to be about reminding the girls what service is expected by the clients (all hearsay of course, but it fits the narritive).
CaptCabins
11-24-13, 18:31
Till early this year, I was a regular to FKK Oase (my last trip back in March 2013). In past 3 years, I always had a mix of good as well as bad experiences at Oase, before something unusual which happened last year, when I bumped on to Adela. She has brown skin, black hair, belongs to this Romanian gang of girls at Oase, you could actually confuse her as an indian / pakistani / bangladeshi from the skin tone, unless you talk to her. During my first few visits, it was all great, I used to do 2 or 3 girls, mostly visited on saturdays. I always visited the club alone, and therefore approached a lot more, by girls (maybe because I am still only 28 yrs old). Most of them would not mind talking to me, since they recognized me from my previous visits. I always made it a point to say 'NO' quickly, if approached by a girl who did not appeal to me visually.
For all this (almost 6 hrs of extreme GFE, something you would not expect from a pros) she was happy to charge only 200 euros. I actually used to tip her, but she never asked more than 200 from her side. One particular thing which I disliked about Adela was that she used to chase away the girls who approached me (who did not belong to this Romanian gang).
CheersThis Adela sounds like a gypsy girl.
You are the first man I have ever met who spend 6 hours = 600 euro and got charge 200 euro. Did you ask for a discount or did you haggle. Reminds me about the midget in game of thrones who was shocked to hear that a working girl doesn't charge money for sex (in your case it was a big reduction). Can you give adela description such as height? Weight? Tatoos and etc? I love the discounter part but I do need to find the girl though LOL.
Vanekam my dear brother and may the lord of tandoori chicken protects us all.
Solo Traveler
11-24-13, 18:59
Solo this italian girl does she have a big hair? Dark skin kinda like latina around 170 to 175 cm with heelp. Sparkling white teeth and has a prett face at least a 7/10?Her name is like "Carlai" if pronounced in German.
And like "Carlisle" if pronounced in English.
(I didn't spell her name properly in my first report)
When she wore high heels, she was around 175 cm.
She actually looked more like a Romanian.
Light skin.
She is naturally black hair, but she dyed most of her hair blonde.
She told me she was from Rome, Italy.
I really feel bad that I didn't report that cheating scam to the Oase reception.
Like others said, reporting everything which is not reasonable to the reception actually helps other punters and the club.
Hallowed2323
11-24-13, 21:31
This Adela sounds like a gypsy girl.
You are the first man I have ever met who spend 6 hours = 600 euro and got charge 200 euro. Did you ask for a discount or did you haggle. Reminds me about the midget in game of thrones who was shocked to hear that a working girl doesn't charge money for sex (in your case it was a big reduction). Can you give adela description such as height? Weight? Tatoos and etc? I love the discounter part but I do need to find the girl though LOL.
Vanekam my dear brother and may the lord of tandoori chicken protects us all.
This Adela sounds like a gypsy girl.
You are the first man I have ever met who spend 6 hours = 600 euro and got charge 200 euro. Did you ask for a discount or did you haggle. Reminds me about the midget in game of thrones who was shocked to hear that a working girl doesn't charge money for sex (in your case it was a big reduction). Can you give adela description such as height? Weight? Tatoos and etc? I love the discounter part but I do need to find the girl though LOL.
Vanekam my dear brother and may the lord of tandoori chicken protects us all.Hello CaptCabins,
Vanakkam belongs to down south. I am from North india. So 'Namaste'.
Oh yes, the midget. I watch Game of Thrones too, still on Season 2, I started watching only recently.
You really think I would stay 6 hours with her if I had to pay 600 euros? LOL.
She is not very tall (without stiletto) , probably you are right, I think she is the gypsy girl with brownish complexion, you refer to. She told me that there are two other girls, one with red hair and other with curly hair, who are very good friends. The three of them stay together in Frankfurt.
In my first few trips to Oase way back in 2010, I saw her aggressively approaching the guys seated on the couch. During my last trips, she was mostly sitting by my side and never really approached anyone else. I never had to haggle with her. I guess, she is talkative, if the guy is familiar. We had this great chemistry going and she was just happy to see me in the club. She even taught me a few phrases in romβne&537; te.
Adela had problems if I talked to other girl, that sums it up, why I got discount? This is also the reason, why I stopped going to Oase. Why to pay entry fee, when she is ready to meet me outside? But I am not sure, if she behaves the same with others. After all, she is there for money. Isn't it? On one occasion, I thought she was some what rude to turn down an older guy, when both of us were discussing something.
In general, I think if you are a regular visitor and well behaved too, you would generally leave Oase satisfied (I am not very familiar with latest changes). I turned down Adela, the first time she approached me, but then, she came back with vengeance. LOL.
This winter, I am aching to return to Oase. Not at all happy after seeing bad reviews about this club, makes me doubtful, if this is really the place I want to go. But still, I think I will be back at least once (not for Adela this time) to check the renovated club. The kino thing does not appeal to me, ever since they removed the partition from main seating area.
StarletVoyager
11-24-13, 23:11
Oase has always been the main reason for travelling to Frankfurt till now. I was there last July and saw the new setup which I thought was very nice, especially with Eros Ramozzoti playing near the changing room. I did see new girls there and although numbers were down due to it being summer I still find the very same and newer girls and had some lovely times. Surely all this talk of a complete demise of Oase has to be at least slightly overplayed? Ok so I would reckon at least 2-3 million euro has been spent on all the new buildings so a little more for food and entrance is surely not going to bankrupt the customers, after all everyone did complain about the food before? As for the girls service surely there are bad ones and lovely good ones in any club? Even 2 years ago some girls did try to hustle so that is in all clubs present. I'm finding it really hard to believe that Oase is no longer a target destination as it has always been? Maybe I am missing something here and if I am could someone let me know, as even I am now considering ditching oase in 2 weeks time. Many thanks.
Hessen Bub
11-24-13, 23:22
2-3 Mio ? That's too much, Artemis cost about 5 Mio. Still there's quite a few guys I know who quit visiting Oase. Not only because of the 70 and the food situation. Mainly because service levels of the new girls are down. My last visit was early September. Maybe I'll check Oase beginning of December.
Rumours tell that about 20 girls had to leave Oase.
HB
Ok so I would reckon at least 2-3 million euro has been spent on all the new buildings so a little more for food and entrance is surely not going to bankrupt the customers, after all everyone did complain about the food before? I'm finding it really hard to believe that oase is no longer a target destination as it has always been? Maybe I am missing something here and if I am could someone let me know, as even i am now considering ditching oase in 2 weeks time. Many thanks.A big question is has this investment helped the club during the 8 months of the year when the garden isn't of much use? I didn't any improvement besides the restaurant. I used to love this club early to midweek, the lineup was always amazing and the numbers of guys to girls always about equal. Not so this year. Future visits I'll stick to visiting this club only on the weekends.
A big question is has this investment helped the club during the 8 months of the year when the garden isn't of much use?Yes, you no longer have to go downstairs when you need to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). For me expanding the garden didn't add much to the atmosphere either.
StarletVoyager
11-25-13, 00:44
There is no way a club like Artemis cost 5mill to build and set up. Considering that property prices are probably equal to if not more in Germany than the uk. In Britain just a farmhouse would set you back a million easily and thats not considering the inner fittings at Artemis more than likely a lot more too. The large VIP house and restaurant section and extended areas with fittings easily 2 million in euro for oase IMHO.
Hallowed2323
11-25-13, 01:11
This Adela sounds like a gypsy girl.
You are the first man I have ever met who spend 6 hours = 600 euro and got charge 200 euro. Did you ask for a discount or did you haggle. Reminds me about the midget in game of thrones who was shocked to hear that a working girl doesn't charge money for sex (in your case it was a big reduction). Can you give adela description such as height? Weight? Tatoos and etc? I love the discounter part but I do need to find the girl though LOL.
Vanekam my dear brother and may the lord of tandoori chicken protects us all.Hello CaptCabins I am from north so namaste.
Oh the midget. I watch game of thrones too. I think it needs skills to fuck more and pay less.
I never had to haggle with her. We shared a great chemistry. She had problem if I talked to other girls. But I do not think she deals with all customers alike. At times I have found her turning down a few guys when approached.
She is not very tall no tattoos slim body brownish skin tone.
You are the first man I have ever met who spend 6 hours = 600 euro and got charge 200 euro. Did you ask for a discount or did you haggle.I have seen this type of pseudo-relationship many times and although it is not a common occurance nor is it a particularly unusual occurance. Tends to occur to guys who regularly frequent a particular club (visit the club at least two or three times a month or more) and who hit if off with one of the hookers. The guy ends up paying this particular girl far less than would be the norm. I have seen guys pay 500 or 600 and in return the girl will spend 12 hours or more with him in the club and probably she will not go with other guys for that day. Now half of this time is generally not spent in the room fucking but instead is spent sitting together chatting or going for food, drinking etc. The downside is that the guy is almost bound to spend all his time when in the club with one particular girl. Going with other hookers in that particular club will generally break the magic of this type of pseudo-relationship. So yeah this type of thing happens to varying degrees. If you only visit a club occasionally, the chances of this type of thing happening are zero. However, in my book only seeing one girl is not really such a great advantage no matter how much money you might save. I go to the clubs for the variety not to meet one particular hooker all the time.
CaptCabins
11-25-13, 02:44
I have seen this type of pseudo-relationship many times and although it is not a common occurance nor is it a particularly unusual occurance. Tends to occur to guys who regularly frequent a particular club (visit the club at least two or three times a month or more) and who hit if off with one of the hookers. The guy ends up paying this particular girl far less than would be the norm. I have seen guys pay 500 or 600 and in return the girl will spend 12 hours or more with him in the club and probably she will not go with other guys for that day.Owh that is too much! 500 or 600 euro that is like 10 girls with 2 cims. Too much for one girl. I like haloweed deal 200 euro for 6 hours that is good. 12 hours for 400 euro that is nice deal!
I never gotten that treatment but I am calculative. I don't think I can spend 600 euro with half of it talking because during breaks I go and talk to the girls and touch them everywhere LOL. For 200 euro I am good.
Haloweed namaste too. Hopefully I can find this girl too. LOL but if she look indian I will pass it to ultrahappy as he likes indian girls.
Wish me luck. Praise all tandoori chicken.
Her name is like "Carlai" if pronounced in German.
And like "Carlisle" if pronounced in English.
(I didn't spell her name properly in my first report) I suppose I am being picky, but the final "L" in Carlisle is not silent. The "S" is silent. So does her name have a final "L" sound or not?
If not, you really only cause confusion by spelling that way.
I have seen this type of pseudo-relationship many times and although it is not a common occurance nor is it a particularly unusual occurance. Tends to occur to guys who regularly frequent a particular club (visit the club at least two or three times a month or more) and who hit if off with one of the hookers. The guy ends up paying this particular girl far less than would be the norm.Yes its not the norm, but possible. At one time I used to have a girl that I would pay only the first session and she would give me other sessions for no extra charge. The condition was I was not to fuck any of the other girls, like I was her property. So weird relationships can exist.
Solo Traveler
11-25-13, 08:23
I suppose I am being picky, but the final "L" in Carlisle is not silent. The "S" is silent. So does her name have a final "L" sound or not?
If not, you really only cause confusion by spelling that way.Yes, you're right again.
Sorry, I am bad at Linguistics. I just keep making the spelling more confusing.
I used the google translation pronunciation function, and her name sounds exactly as "Carlai" pronounced in German.
(I key in "Carlai" and swithed it into German, and run the pronunciation function)
However, the word "Carlai" will be pronounced differently in English, and I also have difficulty finding a proper way to spell it in English.
Therefore, maybe I should not even try to spell it in English at the first place.
So, final conclusion, her name sounds exactly as "Carlai" pronounced in German when I used the google translation pronunciation function.
just spent the last three days at oase- i didn't visit any other clubs because my sweetie was there for me all three days and i didn't have a car so couldn't be bothered to schlep to world. let me just say that the lineups were very large and attractive and many very friendly and sweet girls were present. no complaints. and i really enjoy the restaurant. the food was freshly prepared and quite delicious- i had three different 10 euro pasta selections and each entree comes with a delicious small side salad (or fried / sauteed potatoes or mixed veggies) and fresh crusty bread. the pizzas were good too- i had a taste of a couple varieties from girls who couldn't finish their plates. it is much more civilized this way and i prefer this to the dismal food before. just eat a breakfast / lunch before you go and you should be fine with the dinner choices. the steaks looked delicious and next time i would not mind to pay an extra 20 euro for the steaks- they come with a huge portion of delicious looking sliced sauteed potatoes. two guys travelling together can each order their pizza and split it with their friend to stretch the nourishment throughout the night. and a small non-perishable sandwich or cakes in your bag to nibble as needed also helps.
the new men's umkleide is great. also, the new relax zone is a major plus, very comfortable and relaxing, unless there are a bunch of yammering mama's boys up there chatting away like hens lol. if you look at the bottom of the ceiling mural (oase version of cistine chapel) , there is a little cherub peeking over the wall who looks just like a famous board member lol.
cheers.
beffen
Member #4581
11-25-13, 17:22
finally, made my first ever trip to a german fkk. have been reading about these things for nearly a decade, so a lot of anticipation. btw, i am posting this in both oase and sharks blobs, so apologies if you see it twice.
reached the place around 5:30pm on friday, and stayed till nearly 1:45am. plenty of time. did nt want to leave. it is a men's paradise, the german men are quite lucky.
for the americans reading, if all you have been to the us strip clubs, you would be shocked at your luck. i have been to some spanish clubs, but the fkks wipe the floor with the spanish clubs in my view. my reference point is some of the more famous clubs in the us, like mons venus in tampa, mitchell bros and new century in sf, some of the better clubs in la. i had not been to spearmint rhino in vegas for a long time and also not been to tootsies of late. but oase on friday had a line up of nearly 100 girls, and even the bottom 10 would be in the top half of mons or mitchell bros! and mons is supposed to have the prettiest girls among strip clubs, for example 2001 space odyssey right across has clearly worse looking girls. if you read tuscl or other strip club review blogs, you have posters always asking "are any extras available". well, guys at these fkks, any and all extras are available, with model type girls.
altogether, in 2 days at oase and sharks, i spent more than 1000 euros. ok, a bit steep. but then again, a few months ago i blew almost that much ($1100) on a bunch of lap dances in 2 days at mons, all i had to show was some grinding in my lap, boobies in my face but not even kissing the tits, and not much else. on the other hand, i went to the room 14 times with 12 girls (2 repeats) in those days at these 2 fkks.
at oase, i sessioned with sally, isabella, diana (petite brunette) , diana (taller blonde) , isablella (2nd time) alexia.
at sharks, i sessioned with angelia, jana, roxana, anita, a girl whose name i am blanking out on, roxana again, kosmina, neya.
i see all the carping, nitpicking, etc around here. i understand if you are a regular, take all this for granted, and of course visiting regularly and spending several thousands over the course of a year, one can get jaded and frustrated over small things, but seriously, the locals and the ones able to frequent these clubs have so much good, the small things hardly matter.
food? i thought the pizza at oase was just fine, plenty large and not bad tasting. honestly, i find much of european restaurant food not that good in the first place and prices to be a rip off (and not even water is given for free; ask for water and they open a bottle for a couple of euros) , so oase food was absolutely fine. i took a small bag with me (which fit into the locker, along with my knee length winter coat, sweater, trousers and shirt and shoes) with a couple of protein bars and a banana, in case there was no food and i got hungry past midnight. as it were, i just ate the banana, and did nt need all that much.
the first few minutes are a shock. you can read about all you want, but first time at fkk, especially oase, was something else. so many girls, all nude. most of them were medium height, slim, white, and under 25. i think i saw few 30+ aged women. very few with big asses. which is fine for me, i love the thin model types. faces were generally ranging 6 to 8. to give some reference, i find mons dancers to be 6 to 7 on average, a few 8's, and mitchell bros dancers to 5 to 7s, with a couple of 8's.
the place was generally packed. at least 40 to 60 men? may be more. they were rep001tered all over the place and of course many could be in rooms, difficult to say. in the lounge behind the entrance bar, and in the kino, men are sitting, making out, their robes partially or fully open, and at least a few hand jobs and blow jobs going on. in the whole night, i saw at least 3 men fucking in the open. i had asked about this in earlier posts here, so that was a big bonus. just in the prior week, i was at bagdad club in barcelona where i paid 90 euros entrance fee and the highlight is performers fucking on stage 2 or 3 times int he whole night; so, by that yard stick, just being in the lounge alone covered my entrance fee at oase.
i did find the oase girls to be more aggressive than at sharks. generally at sharks, they are a bit more laid back and approach you more discretely. at oase, they kept hitting you for a session constantly. but that hardly bothered me. i am used to being hounded for lap dances at the us strip clubs, and saying "no thnak you" or more likely "not just now, may be later", is hardly a bother.
now the one thing i regret was that i was not able to come that much. that is how i was able to session with that many girls in 2 days. i popped some viagra, and perhaps that was the reason. i was quite hard but not able to cum; this had never happened to me. in 2 days, i just had 3 pops. that was my personal failing.
also, i am somewhat of a hypochondriac, and very risk averse. so, i only wanted and got cbjs, and i had intercourse just 3 times (and i use double condom for intercourse, so that also has some impact on the inability to cum). did dfk (or i should say, mild dfk) with just one girl. no daty with any one. i am sure the regulars here think i am undemanding, but that is just fine with me. we all have our own risk tolerances.
but i did not find any of the oase girls to be rip offs. no one pressured me to go a full hour. the only one i spent a full hour was with sally, my first session. no one asked me to take extras, perhaps they could already sense it was a waste of sales effort by them, i was not even doing intercourse, why bother asking about anal sex or cim when i did not want bbbj.
what i liked about oase and this is the main reason i preferred oase over sharks was that you could do couch sessions. and watch other people's couch sessions. with all the girls i sessioned with, i spent at least 10+ minutes of couch sessions. with my first girl sally, i spent nearly 15 minutes in chit chat, and then another 5+ min mild petting. after i got over my initial shyness, i got bold and wanted blow jobs in the open, and all the other girls provided it. my entire session with alexia was in the bar lounge, we did not even go into the room. i got my blow job, tit fuck, and the rest from her on the couch. it is the debauchery aspect of this, that makes oase better in my view. on the other hand, sharks had the look and feel of an industrial warehouse, which it is. huge room like a football field, very spread out, and that bluish light. not very appealing.
coming to girls; sally. she claimed she was also new there. romanian of course. in fact, in my 2 days of sessions, other than jana, i think all the rest were romanians. as a side note, it is amazing to me that i hardly knew any romanians at all till now, and suddenly in 2 days i had sex with 11 romanians. anyway, sally was about 22, nice pretty face, not the perfect figure like isabella or roxana, but a bit bigger tits than those girls, brunette. nice sweet girl. i spent a full hour with her, and also one of the girls i actually had intercourse with. did finger her with a condom too (the only one i tried this on). she is open to dfk, so we did do some of that. even after a fl hour, i didn't pop, but i was happy.
then i found isabella. she has an amazing model type figure, thin at the waist, about 5'6' to 5'7" w / o heels. can't be more than 110 lbs. face is more of a 7, while i would have said sally is 8 on face and 7 body. i would give isabella 9 to 10 for body. i did a 30 min session, but prior to that a brief couch blow job, which really helped me to get over my inhibitions. i did not dfk with any one after sally, not even roxana who was intiating a lot of kissing. (as a non smoker, i find dfk with a girl who just smoked to be a put off, and practically every single girl smokes there, and quite frequently too). anyway, i had a nice 30 min session with her, and actually came in my cbj, my only pop at oase.
soon after i was approached by diana, the petite brunette and a blond friend of hers. they wanted to sell a 2 on 1 show. since i was not going to try intercourse itself, i never went for 2 on 1 shows. but i kept chatting with diana so her blond friend got the drift and left us. diana was sweet and after chatting for 50 to 10 minutes, we went into the kino and she gave me a couch blow job. that lasted 5 minutes, and then we packed off to a room. she has a cute round face, tiny body. i would give her 8 for body, may be 7 to 8 for face. she wanted to please, but no luck in cumming, so we left after 30 min. btw, she or no body else pressured me to stay an hour, even though i did not cum.
then i spotted diana, the taller blonde one, at the jacuzzi. she was with a friend, but came over to chat. she is relatively new to business, just a few months as i recall. was shy to some extent. she refused to give me a blow job in the public, but finally agreed to give a hand job in the kino and then moved into the room. i would give her 8+ for face, may be 70 to 8 for body. she is 5'7"" or more, not as model-thin as isabella, but is sweet. some kissing, some pretting, cbj.
by now, it was past mid night, and i wanted to go one step further. isabella was sitting alone in the kino, so went back to her. we chatted for a while, and then i talked about my public sex fantasy and she encouraged me to try it out. so, we moved to the more openly lit couch in the kino, first she gave me a blow job, and then rode me reverse cow girl, and then did a mish, all on the couch. seemingly no one cared, but boy, if i had ever imagined i would do such a thing, this was wilder than any such imagination. then we moved to a room. that was ok, but the only reason i overcame my fear of intercourse std risk was due to the public action, so room sex was a bit of come down. still, spent half hour with her, no luck with pop, and we left.
at this point, it was past 1pm, i had a long flight and long week, so needed to go to my room. but i could not get enough of this public thing, so hit upon alexia. she had been asking me from the time i walked into oase, so i though fair was fair. she is slightly older. 25 she said, and has a pretty face but not as model-type body as isabella. we moved into the bar lounge, and she did a cbj, tit fuck etc, all on the couch, sitting right across from sally my first fkk girl. i loved it. this was like some porn movie i was starring in. with alexia i never went to a room, the entire half hour was on the lounge couch.
for saturday i went to sharks around 5:30pm again. this time, i stayed almost to the close at 4:30am! not knowing when i would go back, i just did and't want to leave.
i already said i prefer oase over sharks, after my first experience. mainly due to the lack of open action and the spread out nature of the place. sharks seems to ahve more locals, while oase had more internationals. i found the quality of girls to be approximately similar. sharks had fewer, but you can still get your picks. the food is available all night, so that was good, but i found the pizza at oase better than the buffet at sharks. on the plus side, sharks had more fruits and stuff, which i did not see at oase. i found the cave like rooms near the jacuzzi to be unappealing, and the whole location of the jacuzzi is not nice. the steps are a bit steep, and it seems to be just a matter of time before one of the girls in their high heels trips over those steps and twists ankle. the thing i did liek about sharks though was the chip on your wrist band which lets you drink on the tab, and not having to pay right away. that was a turnoff at oase.
my first girl angelia, romanian of course, and she was sweet. some light french kiss, and the standard blow job. lots of body rubbing, petting etc. she was the only one who asked why not extend to an hour since i did not cum, but i wanted to sample as many girls as possible. i would give her 8 for both face and body.
then jana. i think some posters were calling her unfriendly, but i did not see that at all. she was hanging out at the german table next to the bar, with her 4 to 5 german friend, and as i was walking by, she called out. we talked for a few minutes, then went upstairs and sat on the lounge chair with her in my lap. of course, there is no couch action except kissing. but we talked a long time, at least 15 min, she was telling me about her life in stuttgart, and i told about my life in the us. went into the cave rooms upstairs, right next to the lounge chair. she was fun, and we tried various positions of cbj, and i had one of my 2 pops for the night.
then i came down to sit at the bar, and roxana was sitting next. it was a bit too soon after jana, but when roxana introduced herself, i knew i had to sample, given that i knew she was popular thanks to syzy and others. her english is more limited than others (btw, i was amazed how well most of the girls speak in english; i was at a club in barcelona, and the girl could not speak a word of english, it was communication nightmare). i have to say, roxana along with isabella at oase, had the best figures, or the type i like. i would give 9 to 10 for body (i would give 10, but one never knows if someone could be more perfect, hence my reluctance to say a definite 10). i would give roxana 7 to 8 for face. very sweet girl, clearly looking to please her man. my first session with her was an hour. i was quite aroused and tempted, so overcame my fears of std and tried intercourse. double condom of course, and she did not understand. she said i was the first man who used 2 condoms. after an hour i still did not come, and she was a bit disappointed i think, but i kissed her and assured i had a great time.
then after a few minutes, i ran into anita. i had talked to her earlier and i had one eye on her. she has a pretty face 8-9, and a 8+ body. dark hair. nice girl. in the room, she was ok, but after we tried cbj for a while i did not come, she was frustrated, and demanded more tip if she could make me cum. huh? is and't part of her job anyway. i stopped her, said just take it easy. my dick was getting sore from all the blow jobs and some sex, and not cumming; she was a pleasant girl to chat with. we made some jokes. she said german guys are humorless, don't understand jokes and only care about beer, cars, soccer (or football, as she called it) and girls. well, not all that different from american men, as i thought. anyway, we spent the last 10 minutes of our session chatting with no sex; still, i gave 20 euro as a tip, since she asked for it during our session (she did not deserve it, and was a bit of shark, but what the heck. 20 euro is not going to save my life).
after this i tried another romanian girl, but for the life of me, i can't recall her name and what we did. does not seem like a memorable experience.
then i ran into andrea. a nice bulgarian girl i think. had a nice sparkle in her eyes. we chatted for a few minutes. then she wanted to go to a room. i said i just came out, please give me some time. she wanted no part of that, perhaps thought i was trying to scam her, so she walked away. i think she lost an easy 50 euro, as i am an easy client, so i was not happy, but she looked cute; 8-9 for face. 7-8 for body.
then i ran into roxana again. we chatted briefly. chats are brief with roxana as her english is limited, a nd frankly i found girls like anita or jana easier to talk, while roxana seem to have very limited interests. anyway, we moved into a room. since i already fucked her, i was not afraid to start with intercourse. she was a bit surprised i think, as the first session was spent with 30 minutes on kissing, petting, body rubbing, etc. after some time, i asked her if she would fulfil a fantasy and she said anything, just ask. so i asked for rimming, and she said ok fine. obviously paid additional money, but we tried that for a couple of minutes and then i stopped her. it was just a fantasy, after watching a lot of porn, but once we tried, it was not that great, so it was done. but after all the excitement with roxana i was able to cum, and she was happy and relieved. i think she does take pride in her profession and if a man is unable to cum, she (and others too) take it as a personal failure, even if it is my problem and not theirs.
by now, it was quite late. i was debating if i should go to my room, crash for a few hours and catch my noon flight, or stay until the close. decided to stay till close, not sleep at all, and just pack off to the airport. i sat behind the bar near a pillar, and watching this girl kosmina. i think that is her name. romanian, really thin, tny face, brunette. she was sitting at the bar, and trying to convince a dude to go to a room. had her feet in his lap, giving him a great view of her pussy, and laughing at his every joke. that went onto for 30 minutes and she had no luck. finally she decided to walk away, after giving him a hug. i followed her and caught her near the sauna. we sit on the chair there for a minute and she says "want to go to a room"? i said can we wait a few minutes, i had a lot of sessions. she says, hey bud, time is money here, you either go to the room now, or i need to go. i say, well if you are in a hurry, you should go. she starts laughing and claims she was joking (i don't think she was joking; since i pursued her, she probably thought i would yield to her bluff). anyway, she uses the time for a smoking break (she smoke twice while sitting with the dude at the bar already). i wanted to try one myself, and she is surprised that it was my first, and really does not believe me anyway, and my clumsy smoking effort does bring some laughs. we go to a room, and the session is forgettable. my dick is getting sore after so many blow jobs, and the girls trying to take on a challenge and going hard at it, no pun. we stop after half hour as usual.
by now, it is past 3am. i move to the far end of the room; there were 2 girls sitting there and talking intensely. i sit on the other couch across. after 15 minutes i approach the brunette (neya) and say something. we start chatting and her buddy walks away. we just sit there and talk for more than 30 minutes. i told about my escapades, and she thought i was crazy for going hog wild. she tells me about her life, her problems. she was quite sweet. did not even want to go to the room, as i already told her how many sessions i had and my inability to come. after half hour, she wants to go home, so i feel bad and wanted to just tip her, but then said let us try a session. so we do just that. she is slow, and since i am sore, instead of a fast and furious blow job, she just takes me fully into her mouth and just keeps it there with very slow tongle action. felt quite nice. we do that for some time, then i stopped her and we just talk more. this time, she starts telling me her real intimate problems and asks for advice. at least she claimed no one else at the club knows what she told me. perhaps she felt i would never see her, and i had been so open with her, she trusted me. anyway, we spend more than 30 min in the room, mostly talking, and then i gave her 50 euro, and it is well past 4am. i sat at the bar for 20 minutes, drank some cappuccino, and went back to my room and then to the airport. in retrospect, i wish i had given neya a bigger tip, she was nice and sweet.
so, long report; but i got a lot of hep reading other reports, hopefully this helps some americans thinking about fkk visits. for the regulars i know my report adds limited value, and since i am very undemanding, probably adds no insight on how the girls i sessioned with, behave in different situations. except kosmina, anita to some extent, and may be sally my first girl who demanded a tip, i found all the rest to be sweet girls. clearly they are in it for the money, escaping life in romania or whereever else, but making the best of it. as an american, it is a heaven for me with hundreds of model type, very pretty. 21 year old girls, offering all kinds of sexual services, often in open public, for 50 euros. my goodness, at most european restaurants, dinner for 2 costs more than 50 euro; i find prices for most good in europe to be outrageous, most likely due to their vats or other structural reasons, but sex is so ridiculously cheap. over here, dinner for 2 at similar restaurants may cost $50 to $60, and for that you will get 2 to 3 lap dances at most at mons lasting 10 minutes, and not much more at mitchell bros.
Hessen Bub
11-25-13, 19:28
At Beffen: You are getting old, if the food is of higher value for you than the girls. LOL.
HB
Hessen Bub
11-25-13, 19:31
I wrote 5 Mio , not Us-$. That's the number that was in the newspapers:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_ (Bordell)
"Das Artemis wurde von dem tόrkischen Geschδftsmann Haki Simsek fόare etwa fόnf Millionen Euro erworben und umgestaltet."
http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/archiv/der-klub-artemis-ist-das-groesste-bordell-berlins--ein-unternehmer-liess-eine-lagerhalle-fuer-seine-zwecke-umbauen---er-nennt-es-ein-modernes-geschaeft-im-gewerbegebiet.10810590, 10335124. Html
At Beffen: You are getting old, if the food is of higher value for you than the girls. LOL.
HBTrue HB, I am indeed getting old, and feeling so, but the girls are still the number one priority, and I was not disappointed with the choices I made in that regard- in fact I was ecstatic. I was treated to nothing but top notch sex by my faves, Lavinia (all time fave) , young Laura, and Carla and that was what drove my choices of clubs this trip. If I weren't so smitten with them, I'd have tried some of the other gazelles at Oase like 20 year old brunette sweetie Isabella who was really cute- tall, with a mid length Cleopatra hairdo and sassy demeanor. I was just remarking that it was pleasurable to sit, relax, watch the parade of naked girls in and out of the umkleide frauen, and enjoy a freshly made plate of pasta mit salat und brot. For me the new food situation is kein problem, the lineup is as deep as ever, and now you can actually relax and sleep somewhere.
Member #4581
11-25-13, 22:18
Isabella is indeed sweet and cute. Her face is 7 to 8 but I give her figure a 9 to 10, same as I did to Roxana. So, they would be my benchmarks at Oase / Sharks, and the two girls with the best body types I like to go for. If I was not stuck in USA but was around in Frankfurt, I would be going and seeing isabella every week, or more likely more than once a week.
I misssed Lavinia. I was new of course and did not know who was who, but anyone with a pretty face and good body I would have noticed; my guess is, on Friday night, she may have not been in, or perhaps was grabbed by regulars before she made it to the main lounges.
I agree with you in total; I thought Oase was very good. The debauchery is mind blowing. I saw some older looking dudes quite naked, sitting in the lounge or in the Kino, getting a blow job and hand job and looking like they were in heaven and not noticing anything around. I got a suck and fuck myself from Isabella in the Kino, but still was a bit self conscious although no one else cared. But these older dudes were so oblivious to everything else. If I was an old man and not getting any sex, I would retire to Germany, not Florida, LOL.
True HB, I am indeed getting old, and feeling so, but the girls are still the number one priority, and I was not disappointed with the choices I made in that regard- in fact I was ecstatic. I was treated to nothing but top notch sex by my faves, Lavinia (all time fave) , young Laura, and Carla and that was what drove my choices of clubs this trip. If I weren't so smitten with them, I'd have tried some of the other gazelles at Oase like 20 year old brunette sweetie Isabella who was really cute- tall, with a mid length Cleopatra hairdo and sassy demeanor. I was just remarking that it was pleasurable to sit, relax, watch the parade of naked girls in and out of the umkleide frauen, and enjoy a freshly made plate of pasta mit salat und brot. For me the new food situation is kein problem, the lineup is as deep as ever, and now you can actually relax and sleep somewhere.
I used the google translation pronunciation function, and her name sounds exactly as "Carlai" pronounced in German.
(I key in "Carlai" and swithed it into German, and run the pronunciation function)
However, the word "Carlai" will be pronounced differently in English, and I also have difficulty finding a proper way to spell it in English.I am an English speaker and I would pronounce it exactly the same way in English as what that pronunciation function from German does. I would guess the same for most European English speakers. The "ai" is similar to in a Mai Tai cocktail, or ordering a Chai at the coffee shop right?
English has to cope with some words that have a foreign origin. Exact vowel sounds are not as important in English as in other languages. Americans, English, South Africans, Australians, New Zealanders all pronounce their vowels slightly differently. What is absolutely important in English to being understood, is the correct consonant sounds. When a Thai girl says "rub" instead of "love", maybe I did not understand. LOL They don't pronounce either L or V like as in English. Sort of destroys the word.
True HB, I am indeed getting old, and feeling so, but the girls are still the number one priority, and I was not disappointed with the choices I made in that regard- in fact I was ecstatic. I was treated to nothing but top notch sex by my faves, Lavinia (all time fave) , young Laura, and Carla and that was what drove my choices of clubs this trip. If I weren't so smitten with them, I'd have tried some of the other gazelles at Oase like 20 year old brunette sweetie Isabella who was really cute- tall, with a mid length Cleopatra hairdo and sassy demeanor. I was just remarking that it was pleasurable to sit, relax, watch the parade of naked girls in and out of the umkleide frauen, and enjoy a freshly made plate of pasta mit salat und brot. For me the new food situation is kein problem, the lineup is as deep as ever, and now you can actually relax and sleep somewhere.Yes I think that for guys who have their favourites, the demise of Oase is greatly exaggerated. Still sufficient good girls when you know who they are. If we had an exact list of all the good girls amongst the new comers, there would be little problem indeed. Guys seem to get very pissed off when trying the wrong new girl and finding she was an upsell specialist or ordinary service. Others are still in heaven at Oase.
I merely advise guys to evaluate the style of new girls carefully before pulling the trigger, or read the forum and see who gets consistently recommended. Lavinia is a girl of very nice looks and honest character. Always does her best but won't tolerate bullshit. Very good Language skills too. Not just a dumb blonde. Deserves to be a top rated girl. I should try these girls Carla and Isabella.
You seem to be slipping into a bit of Deutsch, LOL
CaptCabins
11-26-13, 08:09
Altogether, in 2 days at Oase and Sharks, I spent more than 1000 Euros. OK, a bit steep. But then again, a few months ago I blew almost that much ($1100) on a bunch of lap dances in 2 days at Mons, all I had to show was some grinding in my lap, boobies in my face but not even kissing the tits, and not much else. On the other hand, I went to the room 14 times with 12 girls (2 repeats) in those days at these 2 FKKs.
Also, I am somewhat of a hypochondriac, and very risk averse. So, I only wanted and got CBJs, and I had intercourse just 3 times (and I use double condom for intercourse, so that also has some impact on the inability to cum). Did DFK (or I should say, mild DFK) with just one girl. No DATY with any one. I am sure the regulars here think I am undemanding, but that is just fine with me. We all have our own risk tolerances.Amazing report and many thanks. I hope you don't mind but for this trip since you are from the US would you mind sharing how much you spent in total (flight+accomodation+food and girls and etc.). I am just curious to know actually.
No offence but the services you require are quite basic and that is why the reason you find Oase was good. Things like DFK and RO is a must for me. Anyways different strokes for different folkes. Anyway thank you as you provide an informative report. I must try some of the girls you tried since for me in temrs of looks alone Alexia is good for me. Her service sucks though.
Your a good American who shared unlike the Ultratandoori.
Hessen Bub
11-26-13, 08:13
If you are an experienced clubber or a regular and you stick to the girls you've known for a while. Oase is a good place to be. For newbies or first time visitors and if checking oit new girls the situation might differ.
HB
Hallowed2323
11-26-13, 16:25
Amazing report and many thanks. I hope you don't mind but for this trip since you are from the US would you mind sharing how much you spent in total (flight+accomodation+food and girls and etc.). I am just curious to know actually.
No offence but the services you require are quite basic and that is why the reason you find Oase was good. Things like DFK and RO is a must for me. Anyways different strokes for different folkes. Anyway thank you as you provide an informative report. I must try some of the girls you tried since for me in temrs of looks alone Alexia is good for me. Her service sucks though.
Your a good American who shared unlike the Ultratandoori.Man! What more details do you want? And you can call me by alias.
Thank you
If you are an experienced clubber or a regular and you stick to the girls you've known for a while. Oase is a good place to be. For newbies or first time visitors and if checking oit new girls the situation might differ.
HBDon't you agree that it is the same pattern we saw at Palace some years ago when it started slipping to the point it became unbearingly annoying place for most of us? First it happend only to the new guys since the regulars still know which girls are good, but evenutally the lack of management of service standards causes even the best of providers to become kind of rotten, and eventually the "new girls" take over.
As far as we have the trend of more and more international guests nothing can stop this trend we see now at Oase and we have seen at Palace over the last years. In each of the big 5 Hessen FKK clubs you find in average at every time a percentage of more than 50 percent international guests somtimes up to 80 percent. The porportion of international guests increased very fast over the last years.
And today I've read the very good report from Jnpr30 about his trips to Oase and Sharks. He compared this clubs with his pay sex situation in America. Or some days I've read a report about pay sex in Japan. In both cases these guys feel like in heaven in a german FKK club.
And of course their demands on a good service level room is much lower than from us locals. And as long as the clubs are full with guys like that there isn't any reason for upgrade service level. Look at Palace we are complaining for years about the downgrade service level but there is no reason for Palace to change something as long as they have enough customers.
In other countries like in south and central america this pay sex business has developed in a kind of two price system. One for the locals and one for the tourists. But this has tradition in these countries also for other things like taxis, restaurants, hotels and all other services. In Germany we don't have this tradition this will officially never happen here. So for the next years I see more and more a trend to low level service or good service for a higher price in our big international FKK clubs in Hessen.
Jimmy Boy 99
11-26-13, 18:35
To spend that kind of money to get CBJs and only fuck 3 of the twelve girls you were with (with double condoms, no less) is, to me, insane. But then again, you're foolish enough to spend $1, 100 in lap dances, so at least you're getting more value in Germany. If you have that much fear of getting STD's, perhaps you should find another hobby. Bye the way, I believe that is it is considered less safe to fuck with two condoms, rather than one, because of the condoms rubbing against each other and making a break more likely.
Altogether, in 2 days at Oase and Sharks, I spent more than 1000 Euros. OK, a bit steep. But then again, a few months ago I blew almost that much ($1100) on a bunch of lap dances in 2 days at Mons, all I had to show was some grinding in my lap, boobies in my face but not even kissing the tits, and not much else. On the other hand, I went to the room 14 times with 12 girls (2 repeats) in those days at these 2 FKKs.
Hallowed2323
11-26-13, 18:55
To spend that kind of money to get CBJs and only fuck 3 of the twelve girls you were with (with double condoms, no less) is, to me, insane. But then again, you're foolish enough to spend $1, 100 in lap dances, so at least you're getting more value in Germany.That can easily happen with tourists. A regular usually has own selection of girls. The girls also know that they can't upsell to a regular guy, since it will be a waste of time.
It is more the body language of customer which can attract sharks. And never forget, at Oase, the receptionist always asks when she sees someone for first time "Is it first time?" I will not be surprised if the reply of the customer at that point is passed on to girls (something like Hey ladies! We finally have a newbie, all of you have been waiting for! LOL!).
I was a regular at Oase, but when I visited GT in Vienna for the first time, the girls at first thought of me as a "real newbie", only to discover later that I am even bigger shark! Haha!
CaptCabins
11-26-13, 19:21
To spend that kind of money to get CBJs and only fuck 3 of the twelve girls you were with (with double condoms, no less) is, to me, insane. But then again, you're foolish enough to spend $1, 100 in lap dances, so at least you're getting more value in Germany. If you have that much fear of getting STD's, perhaps you should find another hobby. Bye the way, I believe that is it is considered less safe to fuck with two condoms, rather than one, because of the condoms rubbing against each other and making a break more likely.I think he should have gone to Palace too and he would have liked it there. Frankly speaking he is the perfect customer for the girls assuming he takes a shower before seeing the girls.
Hessen Bub
11-26-13, 21:33
Don't you agree that it is the same pattern we saw at Palace some years ago when it started slipping to the point it became unbearingly annoying place for most of us? First it happend only to the new guys since the regulars still know which girls are good, but evenutally the lack of management of service standards causes even the best of providers to become kind of rotten, and eventually the "new girls" take over.We will see. The trend is there. As said before: Oase is the new Palace. Sharks is the new Oase.
HB
We will see. The trend is there. As said before: Oase is the new Palace. Sharks is the new Oase.
HBA club that doesn't allow public sex (unless a girl drags you to the very back) can never be the 'new oase'. Not until making out and a BJ before going to a room become standard here, will they be able to live up to that name. I get what you're saying though, with the good line up. I still prefer to go to World nowadays, since the 'old Oase' doesn't exist anymore (geez, and I've only been going to clubs for a couple of years!).
Jimmy Boy 99
11-27-13, 02:42
The problem is not that he was sharked: he wasn't, since he got the service he wanted. That is the problem. A CBJ and no intercourse for 50 Euro is a great deal for the girl but a terrible precedent for the rest of us who actually want BBJ and intercourse, as well as GFE. While I am sure he is a nice guy, he is the kind of person who, if enough of them start going to these clubs, is going to fuck it up for the rest of us by demanding so little in terms of service (because of STD paranoia in his case) that girls are going to go Palace and demand extra for what used to be standard services. He and the rest of those who demand so little in terms of service should do us all a favor and stay away from FKKs and sauna clubs and go to the RDLs where he can get the same low level of service he wants at a cheaper price.
That can easily happen with tourists. A regular usually has own selection of girls. The girls also know that they can't upsell to a regular guy, since it will be a waste of time.
It is more the body language of customer which can attract sharks. And never forget, at Oase, the receptionist always asks when she sees someone for first time "Is it first time?" I will not be surprised if the reply of the customer at that point is passed on to girls (something like Hey ladies! We finally have a newbie, all of you have been waiting for! LOL!).
I was a regular at Oase, but when I visited GT in Vienna for the first time, the girls at first thought of me as a "real newbie", only to discover later that I am even bigger shark! Haha!
Member #4581
11-27-13, 03:42
Whoa. I seemed to have rubbed you the wrong way. As I said, if you are lucky enough to go to these clubs regularly, bless you, but if you had lived in the US, you could spend a grand and not get much more than lap dances. In fact, in NYC at kne of those upscale strip clubs, you will get even less than those laps of Mons, and spend a lot more. Anyway, I am pretty happy with how my FKK visits went, and 1000 euros for 10+ girls and nearly 14 room visits is a fair price. The CBJ and no fuck was my choice. May be if my tests come out ok, and I get more comfortable, next time, I may get BBBJ or even a ball suck.
To spend that kind of money to get CBJs and only fuck 3 of the twelve girls you were with (with double condoms, no less) is, to me, insane. But then again, you're foolish enough to spend $1, 100 in lap dances, so at least you're getting more value in Germany. If you have that much fear of getting STD's, perhaps you should find another hobby. Bye the way, I believe that is it is considered less safe to fuck with two condoms, rather than one, because of the condoms rubbing against each other and making a break more likely.
Member #4581
11-27-13, 04:02
Thanks. I guess my report was mainly meant for the US visitors, since I provide comparable data points in terms of clubs here. I guess I am, what Syzy calls, an opti flik man, so I do think I found the best looking girls around on those nights. I think Isabella and Diana and Sally were better looking than Alexia, and that's why I passed on Alexia at first although she was the first to hit upon me at Oase. But as the night went on, I felt bad that she had asked me multiple times, and what the heck, a nice blow job in the public is tough to pass from a pretty girl.
I would have liked to kiss the girls too, but almost all of them smoke, not just in general but while sitting on the couch with me, just prior to the session start. I think they need to kick their smoking obsession, to attract the non smokers. I asked them why they smoke so much and they say it is a stress relief. I asked why are you so stressed, and they said financial troubles, customers are tough, some are assholes, etc. So, I don't feel bad at all that I gave them 50 for an easy job, I feel bad I did not give them tips (which I gave to Sally and Anita, who actually were a bit sharkish)
I was in EU on business, so the transatlantic fare was not on me. The little side trip to Germany was not that expensive. German hotels were cheap, although tiny and very basic. I stayed at Mercure and Ramada in Darmstadt. Along with the sex in Germany, German hotel is the only other cheap thing in EU I find. Speaking of guys mocking me how much I paid and demanded so little, how do you guys pay those ridiculous fares for everything in the shops over there, from clothes to food to electronics to everything else. Perhaps you should come to the US to shop while we will come there for sex. LOL.
Amazing report and many thanks. I hope you don't mind but for this trip since you are from the US would you mind sharing how much you spent in total (flight+accomodation+food and girls and etc.). I am just curious to know actually.
No offence but the services you require are quite basic and that is why the reason you find Oase was good. Things like DFK and RO is a must for me. Anyways different strokes for different folkes. Anyway thank you as you provide an informative report. I must try some of the girls you tried since for me in temrs of looks alone Alexia is good for me. Her service sucks though.
Your a good American who shared unlike the Ultratandoori.
I have attached a photo that is a fairly good representation of my favorite at Oase, Carla. You will have to add purple or green highlights to the hair to be complete, but this help you identify her. Always dependable GFE from this slim Romanian sweetie.
Hi guys,
Very interesting to read some of your comments on Oase where I ventured this past weekend in what was only my second ever visit to one of these wonderful institutions.
Along with a couple of friends, I spent around six hours here on Saturday evening and then another shift approaching eight hours on Sunday afternoon / evening.
The three of us firmly immersed ourselves in the job at hand while taking our time to chose companions carefully & selectively once a connection (of sorts) had been established. We all had a fabulous time and can't wait to repeat the experience sometime early in the new year.
I should pint out that one member of our trio had been a few times this year therefore, I did have the benefit of his guidance on aspects regarding the general protocol. Being no stranger to the world of mongering particularly Thailand, Brazil, Spain, Czech Rep and the Dominican Rep, this was an environment I was extremely comfortable and at ease with.
Being rather partial to the dark oak, my first girl on Saturday evening was a tall slim, small ass black beauty from the Seychelles calling herself Jennifer (or similar sounding) she was excellent and got me off to a flyer, in fact after making full use of the 30 minute time frame where we adopted several positions I was completely and utterly "shagged out" this girl is built like an athlete and certainly gave me a great work out. What a fabulous start, her kissing was sensual and the sex was right out of the top drawer.
The same with all four of my Oase companions I declined any of the add on extras like anal and CIM. Money's tight these days so I was restricting my budget to 50 each session plus a drink at the bar. As you do.
Following this energetic session I needed period of recovery and a gallon of water plus some sustenance which was eagerly received in one of the excellent pizzas and a cup of coffee.
Now I was ready to go again and this time it was a tall full figured silicon enhanced blonde from Moldova. She was very professional, we acquainted ourselves over a drink in the cinema area where she soon had my robe open while dispensing a BBBJ. Then it was off to the room and my goodness if I thought Jennifer was the biz, this girl's performance hit another level, quite definitely right up there with the best P4P sessions I've ever had. Sweat was pouring from us both and I've seldom felt so relieved to 'pop my cork' I just knew those endless sessions at the Gym and pounding the treadmill would eventually benefit me in some way.
Next day Sunday all three of us guys were rather more subdued having had a rip roaring alcohol infused Saturday evening out and about in Frankfurt partying with the local talent, nonetheless it was once again great fun.
My two service providers were a petite Italian girl whom proved to be rather laklustre compared to the Saturday companions but in that sense, I was perhaps expecting too much however, normal service was resumed when a few hours later and following dinner and forty winks Luana from Serbia once again took me to the heights of an outstanding performance. What a passionate kisser this girl is. Wow wee.
So overall very impressed and eagerly awaiting my next visit once the piggy bank is replenished.
Of course I'd like to try some where different at some point but surely it can't get much better than this past weekend at FKK Oase. Can it?
Hallowed2323
11-27-13, 09:24
The problem is not that he was sharked: he wasn't, since he got the service he wanted. That is the problem. A CBJ and no intercourse for 50 Euro is a great deal for the girl but a terrible precedent for the rest of us who actually want BBJ and intercourse, as well as GFE. While I am sure he is a nice guy, he is the kind of person who, if enough of them start going to these clubs, is going to fuck it up for the rest of us by demanding so little in terms of service (because of STD paranoia in his case) that girls are going to go Palace and demand extra for what used to be standard services. He and the rest of those who demand so little in terms of service should do us all a favor and stay away from FKKs and sauna clubs and go to the RDLs where he can get the same low level of service he wants at a cheaper price.Agreed! So what can you do about it? Stop every tourist? LOL. The clubs would break down. I think you will not disagree with me if I say that FKKs mostly thrive on tourists, in general. Girls at Palace offer poor service, still the place is alive, simply because of messe visitors. We after all, are only a bunch of demanding regulars, the club may not really care for, apart from few incidents, here and there.
If it was not for these lavish tourists, most of these FKKs would cease to exit, and we would not be talking about them on this forum. So, I don't think, tourists need to stopped. As a regular, if one has demands, he should be able to extract it out from girls he fucks so often, either by hook or crook. Otherwise, probably, he doesn't deserve it, because neither he has the money nor the skill to get that.
CaptCabins
11-27-13, 14:00
I have attached a photo that is a fairly good representation of my favorite at Oase, Carla. You will have to add purple or green highlights to the hair to be complete, but this help you identify her. Always dependable GFE from this slim Romanian sweetie.That is a sweet photo and I bang Carla once too. A bit looge down there though.
A club that doesn't allow public sex (unless a girl drags you to the very back) can never be the 'new oase'. Not until making out and a BJ before going to a room become standard here, will they be able to live up to that name. I get what you're saying though, with the good line up. I still prefer to go to World nowadays, since the 'old Oase' doesn't exist anymore (geez, and I've only been going to clubs for a couple of years!).Sorry, but I have to disagree about all this The Great Fall of Oase, etc. Having read this forum over the past few weeks, I went to Oase recently thinking to find doom and gloom no shadow of the old Oase we all dearly love, etc. I found, howver, to my delight, the club is firing on old the old thrusters: Great line up, old in-your-face Oase atmosphere, service very good and reliable from the many regular girls there, and I even tried two new girls (one a recent arrival from a club near Saarbruken, another just last night via Stuttgart clubs Paradise and Sakura) , both great performers. Mind you, as always one has to select properly and fish for the chemistry.
I also visited Sharks on Sunday past and whilst the line up was physically impressive and vast, the atmosphere there is rather sterile, esp compared to Oase, where it is so much easier to snuggle and test chemistry on the various couches than at Sharks. I am not saying one cannot test chemistry at Sharks nor get some coach action there, one can for sure, but at Oase the set up and dynamic are much, much better, I find. Public bbbjs were going on right and left in the so-called Kino area.
In short, I think that you can claim Oase is the new Palace, but just saying so does not make it necessarily true. Just as there was a lot of Palace-bashing going on in the past, there is now Oase-bashing. I still find Oase to as it used to be, in fact with alot of the attention now shifted over to Darmstadt, it seems a bit easier to get and find what one wants at Oase. I agree entirely with the recent post of Beffen, the club is still top-notch. The food: I could actually care less about, I do not go to eat there. But it is what it is. To HB and others, I think you should go back for another look in the near future, you might well tone down some of your negative rhetoric about this club if you make a new recent visit.
Best erotic atmosphere of all the clubs I have visited of late, and I do not applaud all the changes there. The girl line up and performance are still there. For me, anyways!
Just my real impressions.
O
Member #4581
11-27-13, 15:08
Hmm. Is that a joke? I mean, I did end up taking a shower nearly 14 times and I assumed most do the same, and it sure seemed like the shower rooms were always full. That said, I was unsure if the girls clean themselves thoroughly after every session, including a mouth rinse, which is one reason why I could not bring myself to suck on the boobies or DFK (but the smoking was bigger factor in not DFKing). I washed and rinsed mouth myself after each session for my own sake, given my STD paranoia as someone said.
BTW, does anyone know what is the club policy on STD testing? I spoke to the girls and they said they do get tested but the details kept changing. One said every month, another said every 2 weeks, and one said Oase does not require testing but she gets tested herself etc. Since prostitution is legal in Germany, I would have hoped that clubs would be required to test the girls regularly, to maintain their license. If it is upto the girls to get tested when / as they like, that is less comforting.
I think he should have gone to Palace too and he would have liked it there. Frankly speaking he is the perfect customer for the girls assuming he takes a shower before seeing the girls.
Member #4581
11-27-13, 15:16
I think I made the same point as well. Sharks was a bit too impersonal for me. Very spread out, more than half the girls just sitting on the bar chairs and chatting away; and the lack of public action. I asked Jana and a few other girls I sessioned with, and they all said Sharks has no public blow jobs etc. The club does not ban them per se, but just not done. In my mind, the public action, watching others while sitting right across, the debauchery aspect of this, is what is more appealing about a FKK than a regular brothel, albeit with very attractive girls at Sharks for sure.
If I were back in FRA next time I would skip Sharks and go back to Oase and perhaps try World. So, those people who complained that foreigners like me are lowering standards for the locals can be happy about keeping the sanctity of Sharks, LOL.
Sorry, but I have to disagree about all this The Great Fall of Oase, etc. Having read this forum over the past few weeks, I went to Oase recently thinking to find doom and gloom no shadow of the old Oase we all dearly love, etc. I found, howver, to my delight, the club is firing on old the old thrusters: Great line up, old in-your-face Oase atmosphere, service very good and reliable from the many regular girls there, and I even tried two new girls (one a recent arrival from a club near Saarbruken, another just last night via Stuttgart clubs Paradise and Sakura) , both great performers. Mind you, as always one has to select properly and fish for the chemistry.
I also visited Sharks on Sunday past and whilst the line up was physically impressive and vast, the atmosphere there is rather sterile, esp compared to Oase, where it is so much easier to snuggle and test chemistry on the various couches than at Sharks. I am not saying one cannot test chemistry at Sharks nor get some coach action there, one can for sure, but at Oase the set up and dynamic are much, much better, I find...
Hessen Bub
11-27-13, 18:07
I have attached a photo that is a fairly good representation of my favorite at Oase, Carla. You will have to add purple or green highlights to the hair to be complete, but this help you identify her. Always dependable GFE from this slim Romanian sweetie.Carla. Her name at World was Erika.
HB
Ok, I guess it's good to hear not everything changed at Oase (although I'm not sure I'm likely to go back anytime soon). In my last last 4/5 visits it was going downhill very quickly. With hardly any public action and even my regulars (who were still good in the room) being very reluctant in kissing me 'outside'. With one exception (a new girl) , none of the girls I was interested my last visit, wanted to go to the kino. Room promises was all I got. I hope this is changing back; now I only have to wait for some normal food set up.
I still stick to my point of Sharks not deserving the 'new Oase' title.
StarletVoyager
11-28-13, 19:14
Has anyone seen Fiden or Polish brunette Yulia at Oase recently? 1 week to go after a 5 month break back in hessen. Lovely.
Hallowed2323
11-28-13, 21:31
A quick question to regulars:
Is it worth going to FKK Mainhattan instead of Oase on November 30 (Christmas party)?
I haven't been to Oase or Mainhattan of late, but was a regular at Oase till last March (at least once every month). Never attended any parties though.
I have not been to Mainhattan either, that's why the question.
I fly to US in the afternoon next day, so I plan to arrive at FRA an evening before. All I have is 1 night, so need to decide between Oase and Mainhattan.
Brazil Specialist
11-28-13, 23:12
We will see. The trend is there. As said before: Oase is the new Palace. Sharks is the new Oase.
HBPlease translate this into clear language.
I did like Oase, though it might be getting slightly worse.
I did try Mainhattan, which I think is almost as good.
I thought Palace was sharkish and not so good. Are you saying Sharks is improving?
I do like fresh young natural next door girls, with non-saggy boobs, no kids. What other places do you recommend to me?
Artemis in Berlin is not what I like, too much silicone, too many German girls, too professional and old.
Occasionally I could go anywhere, should I go to places other then Frankfurt? Can you advise? What else is up to the old Oase standards?
I do not care about DFK, anal, porn star experiences, etc.
Brazil Specialist
11-28-13, 23:35
You should have taken that Italo-Romanian shark to the reception when she started to tell you BS. Never heard of that at Oase, this is RLD behavior. 50 is for DFK, DATY, BBBJ, covered sex. 30min. This report actually confirms to me that Oase is the new Palace. That's why I switched to Sharks and World.
Alexia. Average session, great body.
RLD FFM: The German girls in the RLD are 99% sharks. Especially in Rotes Haus (Taunusstr. 34) and Leierkasten (Elbestrasse 53). You were lucky to get real sex for 50. Typically they will tell you it is 30 or 50 for sex. You think "Great, I can fuck her!" and in the room she will tell you sex = hand job. The hand job then will be performed with a plastic glove, no body contact at all. There's exceptions, but not too many. If you want to find a good girl in the RLD, read the local German boards.
HBPlease tell me which are the good German boards. Are they free? Which one is worth paying? I remember once I tried to pay at a board and all attempts failed. Do you have instructions? Yes I read German.
Hessen Bub
11-29-13, 00:52
I do like fresh young natural next door girls, with non-saggy boobs, no kids. What other places do you recommend to me?World and Sharks,
www.lustscout.to/forum
www.freiercafe.com
www.roemerforum.com/forum
www.rheinforum.com
All boards are free, in German and good information on German brothels.
HB
CaptCabins
11-29-13, 03:33
A quick question to regulars:
Is it worth going to FKK Mainhattan instead of Oase on November 30 (Christmas party)?
I haven't been to Oase or Mainhattan of late, but was a regular at Oase till last March (at least once every month). Never attended any parties though.
I have not been to Mainhattan either, that's why the question.
I fly to US in the afternoon next day, so I plan to arrive at FRA an evening before. All I have is 1 night, so need to decide between Oase and Mainhattan.For you I think you go to FKK Palace. They have chapati and dhal buffet and the girls they love international client. Oase and mainhattan may not be suitable for you as the girls there like men who shower.
Please translate this into clear language.Essentially I believe HB is saying that Sharks is heading towards being like Oase was a few years ago, although not yet as big in numbers of girls, and Oase is heading to be like the Palace was a few years ago, I. E. Is not as bad as the Palace is now in relation to upsell girls, aggressive girls, and lack lustre service, but moving in that direction. The large crop of new girls at Oase are not seen to be providing enough outstanding girls.
Carla. Her name at World was Erika.
HBTo have the information. It would be hard to identify her from these without the face included but I definitely remember that body (#4 is the best representation). If I could just see the p*ssy, I could make a positive I'd.
Brazil Specialist
11-29-13, 10:28
I do like fresh young natural next door girls, with non-saggy boobs, no kids. What other places do you recommend to me?
World and Sharks,
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HBThanks.
What else? What other cities are worth going to if I have time to spare?
What fkk is as good or better as oase in its best days?
Berlin is probably hopeless, .
Solo Traveler
11-29-13, 16:54
Essentially I believe HB is saying that Sharks is heading towards being like Oase was a few years ago, although not yet as big in numbers of girls, and Oase is heading to be like the Palace was a few years ago, I. E. Is not as bad as the Palace is now in relation to upsell girls, aggressive girls, and lack lustre service, but moving in that direction. The large crop of new girls at Oase are not seen to be providing enough outstanding girls.I remembered someone mentioned that "A good club in the eye of frequent punters is not necessarily a good choice for newbies and infrequent punters", which I couldn't agree more after my first sexcation in Germany.
As my recent report said, my first impression on Oase (unfortunately, which is also my first impression on German FKK Clubs) was totally ruined by the cheating shark "Carlai", from Rome, Italy, who tried to cheat me that "50 EUR was for hand job only".
Besides, it seemed that almost every frequent punter on this forum agreed that the risk of meeting a sharky or pushy upselling girl in Oase kept increasing.
So, doesn't it just indicate that Oase is no more a "newbies-friendly" or " infrequent punters-friendly" club nowadays?
By the way,
Can someone help rank the Hessen Big Five (Oase, World, Sharks, Palace, Mainhattan) from the most "newbies / infrequent punters-friendly" to the less friendly in your own opinion?
Thanks
Beagleface
11-29-13, 17:04
Well, Oase remains full of Romanians many of whom are unpleasant. Was there recently. A room of 75 or more girls. 10 gems. 20 deeply unpleasant and irritable. A few months back there were 1-2 girls from Latvia. Wonderful. Polish girls are almost always good finds. Bulgarians usually nice. There's at least 2 terrific Germans but they both work very part time. Something about these Romanians can really ruin the experience.
Of course there's some really good Romanian girls. But the unpleasant ones, their arrogance, their bitchiness, can really ruin the day.
Haven't read the board here in a while. What's the latest great FKK club these days? I went to Golden Sauna in Vienna-a bit more expensive, but transport is much cheaper (no car needed). Fewer girls but on the whole a better average experience. At Oase you really need to find the right girl and stay away from the miserable ones.
Also many Romanians now seem to want CIM or some extra or otherwise your 50 Euro isn't good enough.
Maybe it is time to complain to management?
Hallowed2323
11-29-13, 18:42
For you I think you go to FKK Palace. They have chapati and dhal buffet and the girls they love international client. Oase and mainhattan may not be suitable for you as the girls there like men who shower.I explicitly mentioned that my question was directed to regulars, not 'newbies'.
Someone seems to be offended because I do not give details about a girl. At least you could send me a message, instead of trying to provoke me. I guess you are just not 'Man' enough to do that. What's the matter with you mate? Not getting enough pussy?
And yes, ladies like the guys who shower with them. Not the guys like you, who shag alone helplessly like losers standing in shower, molesting themselves for half an hour without cumming a drop! You don't need a girl, but a doctor.
Learn spelling at least (its 'dal' not Dhal) before preaching more than you actually know!
I will write a report about my Oase visit next week, let me see if I hunt down another Adela. At Captcabins: Thanks mate! You provoked me, now I am up for it! Just the kind of spark I needed!
Alchemist7744
11-29-13, 19:31
Hi all,
I might be heading south tomorrow towards FRA, and I am torn between revisiting Oase (only FKK I have been to, been there 5 times if memory serves) or try something new and sample Sharks.
While I am curious to try out new place / girls, I have a few god regulars at Oase and it is good to be farily sure of the quality I will get since I only do FKK every couple of months, plus I have to drive 4 hours to and from.
I have heard a few girls have been sent away from Oase, I will not regret Amanda (even if she was my first FKK experience and I did not find her so bad after all, once she knew what I liked she was actually quite good at it) , but I would like to know if her friend Alexandra is also not anymore at Oase. I find her quite prety and she gives a BBBJ the way I like it.
Which other girls have ben sent away?
I think I will make my choice tomorow mornoing before reserving the hotel for the night.
Gentleman,
I just saw a lineup that Syzgies posted on 26. 09. 13 in the German forum. Anelia from Bulgaria is back? Has there been a more recent sighting? Wish you had disclosed this data last time when I saw at Sharks, Syzgies!
Thanks!
TankTank123
11-30-13, 01:11
Hi I would like to know if her friend Alexandra is also not anymore at Oase. I find her quite prety and she gives a BBBJ the way I like it.The small curly haired Alexandra that paired up with Amanda the last few years was present 2 weeks ago. Now called Iris.
StarletVoyager
11-30-13, 04:58
I found a very good number of natural girls at Artemis last April. I will return there in a few days. Many Polish, German and east European you just have to search. I would not dismiss Artemis even though there are some more professional types there. however to note still some extremely attractive girls there or I would not go or neither would anyone else. Finally girl request has anyone seen fiden or Polish brunette Yulia at Oase?
Gentleman,
I just saw a lineup that Syzgies posted on 26. 09. 13 in the German forum. Anelia from Bulgaria is back? Has there been a more recent sighting? Wish you had disclosed this data last time when I saw at Sharks, Syzgies!
Thanks!
I checked my post. "Nicht gesehen" means (those girls) "NOT seen".
I posted the same lineup here in English on 26th Sep. You should have read that one.
Line up (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1096-FKK-Oase-Burgholzhausen&p=1476700&viewfull=1#post1476700)
In summary, I haven't seen Anelia for quite a long time. I don't think she was discussed at Sharks either. So the problem is purely yours, not being attentive to the Oase Thread here, and not understanding any Deutsch as well.
My Deutsch is pretty crap actually but I can understand some basics and try to speak with Roxanna in Deutsch as she seems to understand it slightly more than English at times. Some times I try both Deutsch and English. She did not seem to understand "Window" nor "Fenster". LOL
TankTank123
11-30-13, 08:17
I find her quite prety and she gives a BBBJ the way I like it.There was once I saw her give a BBBJ to a man seated on a high stool beside a table in the jacuzzi area in bright daylight in full view of everyone in the jacuzzi section. So there are others who obviously appreciates her BBBJ skills!
Citizen Kane
11-30-13, 09:50
My Deutsch is pretty crap actually but I can understand some basics and try to speak with Roxanna in Deutsch as she seems to understand it slightly more than English at times. Some times I try both Deutsch and English. She did not seem to understand "Window" nor "Fenster". LOLRosetta Stone German could really do with an FKK unit.
I remembered someone mentioned that "A good club in the eye of frequent punters is not necessarily a good choice for newbies and infrequent punters", which I couldn't agree more after my first sexcation in Germany.I don't think so. The regular German customers are liking World and Sharks, and they are the best choice for newbies too.
Can someone help rank the Hessen Big Five (Oase, World, Sharks, Palace, Mainhattan) from the most "newbies / infrequent punters-friendly" to the less friendly in your own opinion?okay I am not a newbie but at the Palace this year I may as well have been as have attended very infrequently for last 3-4 years. I did know a fewgirls and just a few knew me. Did not have a good time. Palace comes last unquestionably. I don't know how to rank Mainhatten as have not yet tried.
When I started coming to World, the girls would not know whether I was a newbie or not, but got consistently good sessions with little upsell problems. Possibly I was assisted by some buddy advice, but if a girl is hot enough, and I get a good vibe, I am willing to try. So I rank World as the safest place for a newbie, and its still very popular with experienced Germans. Its possible to find a crap girl there, but not a big percentage. I probably only ever had 4 or 5 disappointing sessions there in total over many visits. Sharks has quite a few good options for girls I am keen to fuck, which is what pulls me back there, but also has a few ordinary or poor girls, including some rejects from other clubs (who could have improved). Sharks also has quite a few highly recommended extremely reliable girls.
Oase is getting increasingly difficult with many girls not really happy to fuck for a 50 any more. So it moves to 2nd last place. I can still do okay there as have a pretty good idea about which longer term girls there are good or consistently recommended or have nice personality even if I didn't fuck them before. My face is well known. But a danger for newbies to be ripped off. At Oase it is very important to give the impression of being FKK experienced rather than have the girls think you are a newbie. Play it cool and somewhat disinterested. LOL
Perhaps should try to maintain a list of highly recommended reliably consistent girls at the clubs with descriptions. That would be the greatest possible service to the forum, although possibly a little unfair to the newer girls. The biggest problem is we don't know lots about every girl at times, when forum members are lazy to post a detailed report on every single girl tried.
Hessen Bub
11-30-13, 12:22
ISharks has quite a few good options for girls I am keen to fuck, which is what pulls me back there, but also has a few ordinary or poor girls, including some rejects from other clubs (who could have improved). Sharks also has quite a few highly recommended extremely reliable girls.Same same for World.
HB
Same same for World.
HBYes, so in the end, its just personal opinion which place has the highest percentage of girls that are good, or in my case the highest percentage of girls tried that were good enough to want to repeat. In my case I give it to World where the highest percentage of girls tried were subsequently repeated. Some of the ordinary to bad girls I tried at World are not there any more. Examples of definite non-repeat girls: Simona (Diana's sister) quite ordinary for me (not GFE) , Ionella (now Lorena) appeared clueless or very lazy or a time waster, Larissa (the ass) was dick scared, a really hopeless but pretty German girl (forget the name) , Samira very dull in the room. Most other sessions have been good to better than good (perhaps I forget a few).
Definite repeat girls: Joanna, Karina, Nichole, Samantha, Diana, Antonia, Andrea, Ioanna, Christina (blonde) , Christina (brunette) , Catalina (should she return LOL) , Carolina (long ago) , Lea, Erika, etc. So the number of girls repeated or intend to repeat out weighs the number that would not be a repeat.
At Sharks I have repeated very few girls so far (only Roxanna taken every time) but a few are on the intend to repeat list. This could be partly be caused by a wider range of girls that I want to try out.
That was the basis I rate World as safer for newbies, but its possible I was very fortunate with my picks, as tended to take time to choose very slowly.
Overall I have not had that many really bad sessions at Oase, but quite a few girls were not good enough to repeat or I stopped repeating them. I definitely encountered upsell more at Oase.
Haha. My german is bad but good enough to understand "nicht gesehen". Just saw the name and got excited! Will read more carefully next time. As always, thanks for your timely reports, Syzygies.
I checked my post."Nicht gesehen" means (those girls)"NOT seen".
I posted the same lineup here in English on 26th Sep. You should have read that one.
Line up (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1096-FKK-Oase-Burgholzhausen&p=1476700&viewfull=1#post1476700)
In summary, I haven't seen Anelia for quite a long time. I don't think she was discussed at Sharks either. So the problem is purely yours, not being attentive to the Oase Thread here, and not understanding any Deutsch as well.
My Deutsch is pretty crap actually but I can understand some basics and try to speak with Roxanna in Deutsch as she seems to understand it slightly more than English at times. Some times I try both Deutsch and English. She did not seem to understand "Window" nor "Fenster". LOL
CaptCabins
11-30-13, 20:12
I explicitly mentioned that my question was directed to regulars, not 'newbies'.
Someone seems to be offended because I do not give details about a girl. At least you could send me a message, instead of trying to provoke me. I guess you are just not 'Man' enough to do that. What's the matter with you mate? Not getting enough pussy?
And yes, ladies like the guys who shower with them. Not the guys like you, who shag alone helplessly like losers standing in shower, molesting themselves for half an hour without cumming a drop! You don't need a girl, but a doctor.
Learn spelling at least (its 'dal' not Dhal) before preaching more than you actually know!
I will write a report about my Oase visit next week, let me see if I hunt down another Adela. At Captcabins: Thanks mate! You provoked me, now I am up for it! Just the kind of spark I needed!My good friend I don't mean to rub your tandoori feathers the wrong way. It is my humble opinion Palace would suit you best due to the beautifull model Hollywood type ladies there. There is an Egpytian lady there who would be a good bonk for you. I forgot her name but she has a Cleopatra hairstyle. Dhal. Dal. Do well you know what I mean the yellow mushy food you guys like. Usually at Oase, Mainhattan or Shark they will serve beef on those occasion. I don't think you would like to see the cow that you worship on a silver plate being eaten by old men like me LOL I would like to message you my friend but your PM is not available as you are a regular member. Perhaps you could share with me your other alias that allows PM. LOL yes I not get enough pussy so I go to fkk just like you my friend ultra tandoori. Hunt don't hunt. Always talk and talk and talk just like UH. Results talks until then enjoy your dhal!
Solo Traveler
11-30-13, 23:17
So I rank World as the safest place for a newbie, and its still very popular with experienced Germans. Its possible to find a crap girl there, but not a big percentage. I probably only ever had 4 or 5 disappointing sessions there in total over many visits. Sharks has quite a few good options for girls I am keen to fuck, which is what pulls me back there, but also has a few ordinary or poor girls, including some rejects from other clubs (who could have improved). Sharks also has quite a few highly recommended extremely reliable girls.Syzygies, thank you very much!
I had a overall good time in FKK Sharks on this vacation.
I will definitely try FKK World next time.
Hallowed2323
12-01-13, 11:19
My good friend I don't mean to rub your tandoori feathers the wrong way. It is my humble opinion Palace would suit you best due to the beautifull model Hollywood type ladies there. There is an Egpytian lady there who would be a good bonk for you. I forgot her name but she has a Cleopatra hairstyle. Dhal. Dal. Do well you know what I mean the yellow mushy food you guys like. Usually at Oase, Mainhattan or Shark they will serve beef on those occasion. I don't think you would like to see the cow that you worship on a silver plate being eaten by old men like me LOL I would like to message you my friend but your PM is not available as you are a regular member. Perhaps you could share with me your other alias that allows PM. LOL yes I not get enough pussy so I go to fkk just like you my friend ultra tandoori. Hunt don't hunt. Always talk and talk and talk just like UH. Results talks until then enjoy your dhal!I am aware of that Egyptian lady. She is obnoxious. In Palace, I was talking to the person sitting next to me once, she sat on my lap. I was clearly annoyed as I was in middle of a conversation. When I told her 'I see you later', she screamed at me 'What's so fucking wrong with you guys today? Am I not attractive? '. LOL. There was a lady Katrina whom I used to fuck often at Palace. I remember the first time she approached me, she was unstoppable. You can't do much, when a lady is talking sweet while holding on your dick, seated in lounge. More than being turned on, I was shocked! We walked to the room, while she was still holding on it. I was clearly embarrassed. A girl passing by, laughed and said 'Have fun! '. LOL. I think she quit this line. She was very pushy to meet outside, when I talked to her on phone. So I was always kind of suspicious. After she quit, I never went back again.
I have spent enough euros in past years on Palace, so I do not need a lecture on that club. Even some taxi drivers who wait outside knew me back then. Usually, I used to ring them up a day before, to let them know that I am coming to FRA. I know I can get any other f* taxi too, but that is not how I operate. I trust people for their reliability, in case of taxi drivers, it was mostly because of the information they provide.
I have a general suggestion: If you really need a good source of information about girls, talk to the cab drivers. I know it is very difficult to curb your excitement as one approached a club like Oase, but still, if you do, it helps. All these new girls who work at Oase, usually take the same cab everyday. If you ever happen to stay at this club till close and then come out, some of the cab drivers will decline to take you back. Why? Because they are waiting for the girls who are their regular customers. Hence, these cab drivers know every detail about the girls, who is coming who is going, which girl is the current favorite of customers etc. I struck gold when I got hold of one such taxi driver who was ready to blurt every information I need on condition that I am a regular customer. This taxi driver usually have other friends, who take other girl back. So, basically, access to chain info is what I am talking about. Please do not ask for numbers!
At CaptCabins: Perhaps, you generalized my attributes with a typical sub-continent guy. I am not. I am an atheist. I eat all kinds of stuff (including sharks. Hehe!) , hate bollywood music and listen to dark metal. I do not go to FKKs for food. I usually carry one or two small sandwich and a small bottle of rum. In the old set-up, I never ate that shit buffet. Adela used to insist that we order pizza jointly at the reception. Her friends would join in, we paid collectively, used to have nice pizza feast back then. After the food, both of us would share a cigarette, and then back to fucking. I think she hated smokers before but started smoking under my influence (LOL) , the atmosphere and line of her work aggravated it.
CaptCabins! If you keep talking crap, like the way you did for the 3rd time, I am going to stop posting. Sorry if you think I am rude, but I do not think, you know enough to advise me on girls. I get enough pussy both inside as well as outside, because the girls I know are ready to visit me as escort. Melody from Artemis is another one such beauty.
My first trip to a FKK club was at Oase Thursday night and I enjoyed myself there. From what I'd read on ISG and talking to friends it sounded like World would be a better club so I had decided to save it for last and visit Oase first. I'd say 95% of the girls I talked to were from Romania. Others that I remember were from: Slovakia, Thailand, Santo Domingo, and Milano, Italy (maybe Alexandra). I'm a native Engish speaker and after a bit noticed that some of the girls only understood the basics and just pretended to understand the rest of what I was saying. I switched to my sub-par Spanish and was able to communicate better with some of them. I don't like to negotiate ahead of time and try to just go with the vibe I'm getting from a girl which worked for the most part, but does have it's risks. I didn't have any of them try to pull the different positions are extra like I'd experienced earlier in my life at Amsterdam's RLD.
I went with 3 girls at Oase and they all seemed to enjoy kissing, and gave enthusiastic BBBJs. Two of them asked if I prefer CBJ or BBBJ. I usually don't finish from just a BJ anyways so told them that I don't care and whatever they are more comfortable with. My first session was with Brianna with blonde hair who had recently returned from Romania after having a baby about 5 months ago. She was a total sweetheart and eager to please. The 2nd was Angie who was a smaller framed girl with more of a classic gypsy look. Before we went to the room she offered to go back to my hotel room later and I said we'll see if we enjoy each others company in the room first. I had a hard time not laughing when she told me it would only be 150 to the club for her to leave early and around 500 to her. I've had entire trips to Central or South America cost less than that so declined. I told her I wasn't ready yet as I had just finished a quattro formaggi pizza and needed to wait to digest my food. She stayed and talked to me so I decided to take a chance on her a bit later. She was a good session as well but not as good as the first. My last girl was Amelia. I probably should have known better before going to the room with her, but it was getting late and I couldn't find some of the girls I'd been interested in earlier and the effects of chewing up half a Sildenafil made me a bit over eager. She was the only one who did the constant annoying upsell which normally would have taken me a bit out of the mood, but I blocked her out and got in a good cardio workout.
My last girl was Amelia. I probably should have known better before going to She was the only one who did the constant annoying upsell which normally would have taken me a bit out of the mood, but I blocked her out and got in a good cardio workout.Hahaa. Love it.
Oase or Sharks for Tuesady and Wednesday-are lineups OK on these days.
I am hoping to avoid Palace and Mainhatten. Based on all wisdom that I read?
I am going to stay near central so Oase and Sharks are farther but ready to take the trip - hoping it is worth it
Thanks.
Sam
Banana Boi
12-01-13, 19:45
Oase or Sharks for Tuesady and Wednesday-are lineups OK on these days.
I am hoping to avoid Palace and Mainhatten. Based on all wisdom that I read?
I am going to stay near central so Oase and Sharks are farther but ready to take the trip. Hoping it is worth it.
Thanks.
SamWhy would you avoid Mainhattan? Which post are you referring to? Mainhattan may have half the girls as Oase but imo more girls I would go with in that half than at Oase.
Just avoid Dessous days. Tuesday is Dessous at World and Sharks. Wednesday is Dessous at Mainhattan and Palace.
Given the above I recommend Mainhattan or Oase on Tuesday and Sharks on Wednesday.
Member #4581
12-01-13, 20:04
When I went to Oase recently, it was my first ever fkk and I was pretty happy to say as much to the girls there. Despite that I did not any girls trying to rip me off. No one even so much as asked me to extend the session to an hour, and no one even offered extras. Ok, since I did not even take regular intercourse with many girls, them trying to push me into anal sex etc would have been a waste of breath. But they could have offered CIM, facial, rimming etc etc. But none did. Also, with Diana the petite brunette and Isabella, I did some amount of couch session, and particularly Isabella was happy to do a blow job and fucking in 2 positions on the couch in kino, and then we went into the room from there, and the couch time was not counted in the half hour. I still paid her just 50 and in retrospect I feel bad. Should have given her a tip, which I did to some girls but none deserved a tip as much as Isabella.
I don't think so. The regular German customers are liking World and Sharks, and they are the best choice for newbies too.
Okay I am not a newbie but at the Palace this year I may as well have been as have attended very infrequently for last 3-4 years. I did know a fewgirls and just a few knew me. Did not have a good time. Palace comes last unquestionably. I don't know how to rank Mainhatten as have not yet tried.
When I started coming to World, the girls would not know whether I was a newbie or not, but got consistently good sessions with little upsell problems. Possibly I was assisted by some buddy advice, but if a girl is hot enough, and I get a good vibe, I am willing to try. So I rank World as the safest place for a newbie, and its still very popular with experienced Germans. Its possible to find a crap girl there, but not a big percentage. I probably only ever had 4 or 5 disappointing sessions there in total over many visits. Sharks has quite a few good options for girls I am keen to fuck, which is what pulls me back there, but also has a few ordinary or poor girls, including some rejects from other clubs (who could have improved). Sharks also has quite a few highly recommended extremely reliable girls..
Why would you avoid Mainhattan? Which post are you referring to? Mainhattan may have half the girls as Oase but imo more girls I would go with in that half than at Oase.
Just avoid Dessous days. Tuesday is Dessous at World and Sharks. Wednesday is Dessous at Mainhattan and Palace.
Given the above I recommend Mainhattan or Oase on Tuesday and Sharks on Wednesday.BB:
Thanks for the way advice, but by the way what is 'dessous' never heard of it before.
Thanks
Banana Boi
12-01-13, 23:44
Dessous days are days when the girls are not topless / nude.
When I went to Oase recently, it was my first ever fkk and I was pretty happy to say as much to the girls there. Despite that I did not any girls trying to rip me off. No one even so much as asked me to extend the session to an hour, and no one even offered extras. Ok, since I did not even take regular intercourse with many girls, them trying to push me into anal sex etc would have been a waste of breath. But they could have offered CIM, facial, rimming etc etc. But none did. Also, with Diana the petite brunette and Isabella, I did some amount of couch session, and particularly Isabella was happy to do a blow job and fucking in 2 positions on the couch in kino, and then we went into the room from there, and the couch time was not counted in the half hour. I still paid her just 50 and in retrospect I feel bad. Should have given her a tip, which I did to some girls but none deserved a tip as much as Isabella.Congratulations. You obviously chose girls well or managed to convey that you were knowlegable. However if you read this thread a lot, you would see reports of girls trying upsell and attempting rip offs. I still say that World is a safer place for newbies, as long as they choose very sweet and polite girls, and avoid any aggressive or pushy girls. Doesn't mean that guys cannot do very well at Oase, it is just a little more challenging to find the very best girls at Oase. At World, it seems fairly easy, and percentage of dud girls seems low, to me, and that is of course completely ignoring the fat, ugly, sillies or pushy girls. Even girls that would need to pay me, still get customers somehow. Some make up for plain looks with great service I would have to guess. The worst 3 or 4 girls I ever had at World don't work there any more. I think really bad girls don't survive long in World (maybe they can if really hot looking but I don't know who they are).
All the four girls I hired just over eight days ago at Oase asked me if I would like to compliment the thirty minute session with anal and while being quite partial to a dual hole activity, the additional cost of 50.00 made a decision to decline an easy one.
Three out of the four of my chosen ones gave an excellent service which included BBBJ in the Kino & then room, passionate tongue kissing and sex in at least four positions all for 50.00, why would I want to spend another fifty just to root her up the bum.
I did buy all of them an expensive drink at the end though & they seemed to appreciate that as well as being ready for it.
Recommend Carla, petite blonde Romanian, for a great experience. Friendly, cute, and the best deep throat.
Frank12
London Traveller
12-02-13, 16:38
What is the date of the Oase Christmas party this year? I looked at the website but couldn't see a mention of it there. Thanks for the info!
All the four girls I hired just over eight days ago at Oase asked me if I would like to compliment the thirty minute session with anal and while being quite partial to a dual hole activity, the additional cost of 50. 00 made a decision to decline an easy one.
Three out of the four of my chosen ones gave an excellent service which included BBBJ in the Kino & then room, passionate tongue kissing and sex in at least four positions all for 50. 00, why would I want to spend another fifty just to root her up the bum.
I did buy all of them an expensive drink at the end though & they seemed to appreciate that as well as being ready for it.Yes 50 is too much extra for A- especially considering that the base price itself is just 60. Is there so much extra effort involved for the girl. I do have met a couple of girls who told me - 'once you get used to it - it is no different'. But understand it is the going rate- is it negotiable? I think every thing is negotiable.
Thanks
Congratulations. You obviously chose girls well or managed to convey that you were knowlegable. However if you read this thread a lot, you would see reports of girls trying upsell and attempting rip offs. I still say that World is a safer place for newbies, as long as they choose very sweet and polite girls, and avoid any aggressive or pushy girls. Doesn't mean that guys cannot do very well at Oase, it is just a little more challenging to find the very best girls at Oase. At World, it seems fairly easy, and percentage of dud girls seems low, to me, and that is of course completely ignoring the fat, ugly, sillies or pushy girls. Even girls that would need to pay me, still get customers somehow. Some make up for plain looks with great service I would have to guess. The worst 3 or 4 girls I ever had at World don't work there any more. I think really bad girls don't survive long in World (maybe they can if really hot looking but I don't know who they are).Syzygies:
For first time both to FKK and FRA. Is World reachable (with ease- I do have the directions) from Central. As compared to Oase etc- seems farther and am a little bit whatever.
I have 2 +1 days need to decide on 2 places.
Thanks
What is the date of the Oase Christmas party this year? I looked at the website but couldn't see a mention of it there. Thanks for the info!I only remember that it used to be about the same weekend as World, which is 7th of December. But they might have cancelled it?
Neutron Flux
12-02-13, 19:17
According to fkk24dotde it is on the 14th
Syzygies:
For first time both to FKK and FRA. Is World reachable (with ease- I do have the directions) from Central. As compared to Oase etc- seems farther and am a little bit whatever.
I have 2 +1 days need to decide on 2 places.
ThanksThere are two trains per hour to Giessen, around 45 minutes and 14. 70 euro each way. When you get to Giessen you have two options, take a bus for under 2 euro which takes about an hour- (I forget the bus number but Lich is the destination and the stop is Garbenteich Sportsplatz). From there its a 5 minute walk to World and there are signs pointing the way.
Otherwise, you take a taxi. If you take one of the minivan taxis, its a fixed 10 euro fare, at least it was last year. If you take a regular car taxi, it's 18 or 20 euro one way. At night leaving, you'll have to take whatever taxi shows up unless you get a card from the minivan dudes to call.
The last train back to Frankfurt is 8 minutes after midnight and the next is at like 4:30 so you must essentially close the club. Don't miss the 4:30 on a Sunday morning or you'll wait until 06:30 for the next train . Been there, done that, bought 10 teeshirts. It's OK, they serve food at World right up to closing time and you get to listen to "Nothing Else Matters" by Metallica.
Beffen
Hessen Bub
12-02-13, 23:34
Yes 50 is too much extra for A- especially considering that the base price itself is just 60. Is there so much extra effort involved for the girl. I do have met a couple of girls who told me. 'once you get used to it. It is no different'. But understand it is the going rate- is it negotiable? I think every thing is negotiable.
ThanksBase price is 50/30min. Anal is 100 extra. CIM is 50 extra.
HB
Member #4581
12-03-13, 00:01
Thanks. BTW, didn't mean to question your judgement or anything. Just stating my experience, which is exactly one single time, so very limited data points. Also, I was very undemanding so the chance for upsell was less. And your reports are consistently helpful, so thanks Syzy.
Just a quick Q. Does World have as much public couch action as Oase? One reason I was somewhat disappointed with Sharks was that all the girls told me there is no public couch action (except kissing) possible at Sharks. This is the part I liked best at Oase. How does world stack up on that metric? To see others freely indulging in couch sex, and to participate myself w / o inhibitions is a big part of fkk thrill for me.
One other question I had which no one answered was regarding how often the girls get tested for std and what is the club policy and German policy in general. Does the club kick out a girl if testing positive for HIV for sure, but even other std? Does the German government tie the club license to the clubs monitoring the girls on std?
How can prostitution be legal if health safety is not tied in?
And how often do the girls take a wash and rinse mouth? Kissing a girl is fun but if she did nt rinse after her prior blow job, then that is yuck. I saw them go into wash rooms after each session, so I hope they clean after each session.
Congratulations. You obviously chose girls well or managed to convey that you were knowlegable. However if you read this thread a lot, you would see reports of girls trying upsell and attempting rip offs. I still say that World is a safer place for newbies, as long as they choose very sweet and polite girls, and avoid any aggressive or pushy girls. Doesn't mean that guys cannot do very well at Oase, it is just a little more challenging to find the very best girls at Oase. At World, it seems fairly easy, and percentage of dud girls seems low, to me, and that is of course completely ignoring the fat, ugly, sillies or pushy girls. Even girls that would need to pay me, still get customers somehow. Some make up for plain looks with great service I would have to guess. The worst 3 or 4 girls I ever had at World don't work there any more. I think really bad girls don't survive long in World (maybe they can if really hot looking but I don't know who they are).
BB:
Thanks for the way advice, but by the way what is 'dessous' never heard of it before.
ThanksDessous means lingerie.
Hello gentlemen,
I have arranged an airport layover which will allow me to visit a club in the Frankfurt airport area from opening time until about 5 pm on Thursday December 5. I have read all the reports and the discussion about the merits of different clubs and would appreciate your recommendations. I will have a car so reasonable driving distance is no problem. I know that staying later or on a weekend would be better but I have what I have timewise and cannot change it. I have been to Palace a few times before and would like to try something different. I speak pretty good German and feel comfortable managing the women's advances and not being taken advantage of. Because I have 6 hours and will be getting back on a plane at 2000 I would like a place where I can relax, have a shower and a soak and a real massage, a decent lunch, and get fucked a few times! So a comfortable place to hang out is as important as being in the company of interesting women. I prefer slim women if that helps in your recommendation. I am thinking of Oase or Sharks or Mainhattan and have not been to any of these.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Yes I have cross posted this in different forums. For those of you who only read one!
Just a quick Q. Does World have as much public couch action as Oase? One reason I was somewhat disappointed with Sharks was that all the girls told me there is no public couch action (except kissing) possible at Sharks. This is the part I liked best at Oase. How does world stack up on that metric? To see others freely indulging in couch sex, and to participate myself w / o inhibitions is a big part of fkk thrill for me.
And how often do the girls take a wash and rinse mouth? Kissing a girl is fun but if she did nt rinse after her prior blow job, then that is yuck. I saw them go into wash rooms after each session, so I hope they clean after each session.I thought I saw a couple fucking on a couch upstairs at Sharks. I wasn't that close though so could be wrong but it certainly looked like it from downstairs. I guess HB will know the Shark actual rules. I don't. There is always the kino in each FKK or at Oase there is outdoor sex during the warmer weather. I have had sex outside with Dora (Oase). Unfortunately I was finding it a little difficult as the couch was not level and a bit cramped. Eventually I decided to find a more standard bed. Maybe I am not young enough. Also had sex in World kino when rooms wait was bad. That was level and adequate space. Normally attracts a fair audience of "raincoat" brigade who want to get close, perve and maybe wank too. Too bad for them if the lighting is not good. I don't think I saw anything beyond DFK in World main lounge except during party "gang bangs" that I don't like to watch. Don't know the rules.
Girls are taking other person's cum in mouth so why not you too? LOL. If it is so yuck then I guess you would not dream of asking for CIM. Okay the difference is you pay for it, but its only a 50. Not surprising that some girls do not do CIM and some don't like to be ass-fucked either (just the same as you wouldn't like it LOL). You can expect girls to be thoroughly cleaning all that "yuck" out, but if you have microbe phobias, better stay away from FKK. Switch of your imagination of what the girl has been doing before, and enjoy.
PussyLiccker
12-03-13, 14:19
Any club you go, you get a general vibe of the club having rip-off girls or honest girls. At the NRW for example, ACA, PHG, and Mondial, the girls are new so the service is YMMV, but they usually don't ask for CIM because they really do not want to do it even for extra because they are new and not broken in to the extras for money. The girls at those clubs are not sharky and provide honest services, an experienced monger can sense that. I thought even GT now with the new girls there, that the service level is much better. Being sharked for extras will be there at Oase like any other clubs, but more so at FRA clubs in general give that all extras are double NRW prices. At the NRW extras are 25 for CIM and 50 for Anal, and I have a hard time finding girls for such extras especially anal.
If CIM is 50, it's pretty much 30min session in just one swallow of man juice, I think girls would be more incline to do it at FRA because of such prices. Same with anal being 100e (two rooms) as long as your dick doesn't look too big. I don't do CIM or Anal at FRA because of such outrageous prices(relative I know, but relative to German FKKs since sexual service pricing is lower there).
The thing is Palace is notorious for being a rip-off joint, and even experienced mongers like I have hard time getting good services at 50. Other clubs in the area will have up-sellers just not as much as the Palace.
About the 50% moving on to other clubs, it's not surprising since when I attended there I would find some nice new girls show up every trip, but the new girls there are not as nice as before. I would still attend even though I do not like the food system and the new price if they had nice new girls. I don't know what happened. If they pick up again based on reports by regulars there, I will consider it. For now, I will only attend the NRW clubs since my favorite girls there has me coming back.
I've been reading some recent reports of men being ripped-off or sharked there, but I've seen it happen before when I attended regularly. When I was new at Oase way back, I was a bit naive and spend more money than I should have. One of my good girls I've seen her do that to some men they think it's easy to shark. She did not do that to me. You just need to play the same game so that you are not easy prey. I think some that get ripped-off at Oase will get ripped-off anywhere else IMO. Advice for those that are prone to getting ripped-off, first off know the prices and services, talk to the girl, and ask if they provide DFK or GFE. Also, the way she interacts with you is a sign what kind of service she will give, some will open up to more touching and etc. (if you touch them more and they are receptive it's a good sign) and invest their emotional energy on you, and after they do that you ask if they do this at that, and by that time it's hard for them to back out and mostly likely agree to DFK or other services that you seek. This works well for me.
Keep us all updated on this club, so that we know if this club will ever turn around to being the best of FRA again.
Member #4581
12-03-13, 14:51
You are right, there is some amount of double standard and hypocrisy in my stance no doubt. The difference is, the girl is taking the juice from a person of opposite sex, the issue for me would be kissing a girl after she blew a man and didn't rinse. Don't think it happens, I assume they take care of their health for their own sake.
(I guess I shouldn't have used the word yuck, each to his own. In reality, what the girls do is hard, for just 50 euros as you pointed out, and I do respect them and feel bad for them, that's why I think tipping is very much warranted in the clubs especially to girls who make you happy. Heck, here in the US we give 20% tips for dinners and sometimes the service is just so so, and on some business dinners we end up tipping more than $150 for a group of ten, it is crazy. In comparison, tipping a ten or twenty to a girl for doing such intimate things is perfectly warranted)
The bigger concern for me is the std testing policy in the clubs, and how diligent they are and what thy do with girls who test positive on something like HIV. I still haven't seen if there is anything definitive and official on this issue I can read up.
I thought I saw a couple fucking on a couch upstairs at Sharks. I wasn't that close though so could be wrong but it certainly looked like it from downstairs. I guess HB will know the Shark actual rules. I don't. There is always the kino in each FKK or at Oase there is outdoor sex during the warmer weather. I have had sex outside with Dora (Oase). Unfortunately I was finding it a little difficult as the couch was not level and a bit cramped. Eventually I decided to find a more standard bed. Maybe I am not young enough. Also had sex in World kino when rooms wait was bad. That was level and adequate space. Normally attracts a fair audience of "raincoat" brigade who want to get close, perve and maybe wank too. Too bad for them if the lighting is not good. I don't think I saw anything beyond DFK in World main lounge except during party "gang bangs" that I don't like to watch. Don't know the rules.
Girls are taking other person's cum in mouth so why not you too? LOL. If it is so yuck then I guess you would not dream of asking for CIM. Okay the difference is you pay for it, but its only a 50. Not surprising that some girls do not do CIM and some don't like to be ass-fucked either (just the same as you wouldn't like it LOL). You can expect girls to be thoroughly cleaning all that "yuck" out, but if you have microbe phobias, better stay away from FKK. Switch of your imagination of what the girl has been doing before, and enjoy.
Anyone heard of this club- www.dassudfass.de/site/index.php
It is next to my hotel here, any info will be appreciated (just my luck)
Thanks
Amriptna111
12-03-13, 17:40
All the four girls I hired just over eight days ago at Oase asked me if I would like to compliment the thirty minute session with anal and while being quite partial to a dual hole activity, the additional cost of 50. 00 made a decision to decline an easy one.
Three out of the four of my chosen ones gave an excellent service which included BBBJ in the Kino & then room, passionate tongue kissing and sex in at least four positions all for 50. 00, why would I want to spend another fifty just to root her up the bum.
I did buy all of them an expensive drink at the end though & they seemed to appreciate that as well as being ready for it.As of 3 months ago the price of anal was 100 extra on top of the cost of the time spent. 50 euro is new price? Has Oase girl downgrade their pricing cause that would be real news to me.
Citizen Kane
12-03-13, 18:33
Anyone heard of this club-
www.dassudfass.de/site/index.php
It is next to my hotel here, any info will be appreciated (just my luck)
ThanksOldest club in Germany I believe.
That's all I know though!
Hessen Bub
12-03-13, 20:06
Base price is 50/30min. Anal is 100 extra. CIM is 50 extra.
HBPricing structure is still in place.
HB
I do respect them and feel bad for them, that's why I think tipping is very much warranted in the clubs especially to girls who make you happy. Heck, here in the US we give 20% tips for dinners and sometimes the service is just so so, and on some business dinners we end up tipping more than $150 for a group of ten, it is crazy. In comparison, tipping a ten or twenty to a girl for doing such intimate things is perfectly warranted)No, tipping is not warranted. The price is 50 and you must pay 50. If tipping was warranted the price would be 40 and you'd be expected to tip 10 on top of that.
(I guess I shouldn't have used the word yuck, each to his own. In reality, what the girls do is hard, for just 50 euros as you pointed out, and I do respect them and feel bad for them, that's why I think tipping is very much warranted in the clubs especially to girls who make you happy. Heck, here in the US we give 20% tips for dinners and sometimes the service is just so so, and on some business dinners we end up tipping more than $150 for a group of ten, it is crazy. In comparison, tipping a ten or twenty to a girl for doing such intimate things is perfectly warranted)I am American, and it was sort of weird not to tip at first but I and my wallet got used to it really quick! Excessive tipping of service industry professionals is just an American tradition that stemmed from the belief that it was acceptable to pay waiters and waitress shit wages, give them zero health care, and then incentivize them to provide better service by paying 20% tips. In Europe, the onus is on the employer to pay their wait staff a sufficient wage-not pass it off to the customer.
In Europe, I generally will give a 1-2 EUR tip if the bill comes about 20-30 EUR. A larger 100EUR bill, is like a 5 EUR tip. This is what I do in Italy too, when its customary for the staff to come to your table 5-6 times (drinks, antipasti, first plate (pasta) , second plate (meat / fish) , dessert, apertiv)
If you want to show appreciation the girl, pay for an extra 30 minutes in the room after you cum. Essentially you are paying them so they can rest while on the clock. Or buy them a drink.
SharkEater
12-03-13, 21:27
In Europe, I generally will give a 1-2 EUR tip if the bill comes about 20-30 EUR. A larger 100EUR bill, is like a 5 EUR tip.Actually this is the lowest end. German people do give 5. 10 % tips in the restaurant.
Actually this is the lowest end. German people do give 5. 10 % tips in the restaurant.Thanks for the correction SharkEater. Maybe I will aim at the middle of this 5 to 10 percent range next time. In America, it is customary to tip the bartender even though you walk up to the bar and get the drink yourself. Although that may be just to impress girls or to influence them to mix you a stronger drink. I haven't seen this in Europe.
Neutron Flux
12-03-13, 21:38
The posts below are spot on. Tipping is not warranted, it ruins the prices for everybody, tipping is not compulsory and not customary in Fkks or anywhere in the sex industry really. And when there are tips they are usually much smaller than in America and only given out when you were thoroughly satisfied. And I personally find the American way quite questionable exactly for the reasons outlined by McAdonis, but that is off topic here. When there are tips they are on the order of 10 percent but there are also many Europeans who do never give out any tips.
Sudfass is one of the oldest FKK clubs but I believe is closed or has to close soon to make way for construction, but reportedly it had been crushed in recent years by the newer, bigger, better equipped clubs in the area anyway.
Hessen Bub
12-03-13, 21:44
In a restaurant in Germany you are expected to tip. Not in the 15 or 20 percent range, but for a 100 bill you can give 5 or 10 tip depending on the service and food quality.
In a FKK club I do only tip if the service was extraordinary, otherwise it's the standard price.
HB
Don't think it is terribly off-topic as long as there aren't twenty posts in succession on tipping, LOL. Many of us travel often both for this hobby and for our professional live, so this is good general knowledge. Also, I understand the guilt my American countryman feels, but at the same time he should not ruin the established prices for the rest of us.
For those visiting America, it is good to know that waiters only get a base salary of $2-5 dollars per hour there, so they are very dependent on tips:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/08/irs-tax-waiter-tips-automatic-gratuities
Oldest club in Germany I believe.
That's all I know though!I checked it out, it is just next doors. It is a relatively small and sort off rundown kind of a place. The entrance is 25E (happy hour 20). I went in just to enquire. Saw a couple of naked girls in the reception area. Very average (maybe below). The receptionist said in an hour or so dozen more girls will be there,
More interesting there is also some 'booth' next door. Essentially walkin sex-20E for 20min (some extra upsells also). Average kind of girls. It seems you can get into the bldg walk the floors-knock at the doors if you like the girl- just do it- another innovative business model.
So my area is teeming with sex- rather Frankfurt is.
Guys I made it. Worked out the logistics including buying the train ticket from the machine with help of a police woman (none else).
Will file a detailed report in a couple if days (tired and can only type so much on my Tablet).
But overall 2 thumbs up- did not at all feel out of place at all as newbie, and great lineup (on a Tuesday- maybe it is the messe).
Tomorrow Sharks or Mainhatten!
As of 3 months ago the price of anal was 100 extra on top of the cost of the time spent. 50 euro is new price? Has Oase girl downgrade their pricing cause that would be real news to me.Anal is 100 extra (not 50) and not negotiable.
Hessen Bub
12-04-13, 09:47
Anal is 100 extra (not 50) and not negotiable.Everything is negotiable in a FKK. Everything.
HB
You will have read some of my other posts recently which attempt to offer another view of this club amidst all the negative "propaganda?" about this place of late. I don't need to repeat what I've already posted. Alot of the negatives seems to stem from those who are pissed off about the food situation. For me, I could care less as I don't go for food and rarely eat much other than the fruit and snacks I bring myself during my FKK club visits. I go back to FFM and eat and drink merry if I need to. For me it starts and ends with the girl line up and their peformance, etc. The club vibe is important too, and Oase has the best club vibe for me amongst the other big area clubs.
In order to redress a shortcoming in my posts, I will list quickly some of the specific girls I sessioned with. Many of them were new, and I had very good to off-the-charts peformance in each case. I am travelling still and do not have time / ability to make long posts, so here goes my quick list:
Old regulars I re-sessioned with:
Alina (1) : Been there for a few years, always a solid to extremely hot session, for me one of the best bbbjs in the house! I went for a 1. 5hr session. 3/4 of which was just pure slow "toe-curling" BBBJ. I love this girl and her great attitude inside the room. Her body really works for me. I will always keep her high on the list. Good GFE for me.
Denisa: Sweet, sweeet blonde girl, who has recently lost a bit of weight. Good for you! Top GFE session with extended DFK and almost anything else you want. If you want to feel like your with a passionate girlfriend, this is your girl. Often best for me at the end of a long night, she can squeeze the juice out of spent orange. I will be back!
New Girls:
There were so many to try, but here is what I ended up with, as normal all natural girls:
Marisol: Romanian dark blonde / light brown hair long. Not chubby (yet) but full figure. A real sweet attitude (for me) and lots of DFK with a very pretty face. Just a great attraction to this girl and we clicked nicely so I went for two separate 1hr sessions, each top-notch. Her BBBJ was great, lots of playing and natural progression to several positions. I chose to end with CIM. I would repeat, for sure.
Julia: Blonde Romanian with glasses: Oh, what a sexy girl. It's her body that does it: long legs, smooth skin, and great ass, firm B+ breasts. One of the better kissers I've been with of late, and doesn't say alot with words, but spoke volumes with her touchs and other administrations. The way she looks at you during BBBJ and full on sex is so erotic. She removes the glasses when you get naked on the bed, and the rest is just like a natural sexual jam session. Oh, bring me back to her embrace! Really top. Multiple sessions with this girl!
Carla: (New for Me!) , slim, petite blonde also with glasses and famous for the blue or pink tinge to the back of her hair. Makes her stick out. So much has been written about this girl, so I'll only confirm it's all true. Try it, you'll like.
I also tried a German Turkish girl, who I only saw during one of my 5 visits. She was really pretty and did a great BBBJ, but her overall performance was weaker than the other new girls I tried, but certainly NOT a disaster nor a shark. She was a fairly weak DFKer, so I probably would not repeat right away. I think her name was Seline and she hung out alot with another fairly new girl, a young tall athletic girl named Mia, who I would have tried except she had prominent silicone breasts which I hate!
Overall there were so many girls I wanted to try, I left each time with too long a to-do list! Doesn't that say anything about the state of Oase in late 2013?
O
You will have read some of my other posts recently which attempt to offer another view of this club amidst all the negative "propaganda?" about this place of late. I don't need to repeat what I've already posted. Alot of the negatives seems to stem from those who are pissed off about the food situation.
Carla: (New for Me!) , slim, petite blonde also with glasses and famous for the blue or pink tinge to the back of her hair. Makes her stick out. So much has been written about this girl, so I'll only confirm it's all true. Try it, you'll like.
Overall there were so many girls I wanted to try, I left each time with too long a to-do list! Doesn't that say anything about the state of Oase in late 2013?
OHay Ortos,
Nice report, and I have to agree with your assessment of the club. But I want my side salad with the 10 euro pasta options. Carla is quite the little squeeze box, ja?
Beffen
Hay Ortos,
Nice report, and I have to agree with your assessment of the club. But I want my side salad with the 10 euro pasta options. Carla is quite the little squeeze box, ja?
BeffenAh ha. So its the "squeeze-box". Now I get it. I am very keen on Diana at World as she has great "squeeze-box" also.
Funny, in my haste to write up brief accounts of some new girls that I tried at Oase last week, I completely forgot to write about my most enticing experience with a girl, completely new to Oase, who called herself Samira.
No, this is not the thin, petite Samira that has an Indian look to her and who has been in / out of Oase for the past two years or so. I refer here to a complete newcomer to Oase: A dark tanned skinned Romanian, with distinct and pure Gypsy features, longish thick slightly curly hair and dark, dark eyes. Not chubby at all, but also not pencil thin; a very nice figure with B+ natural breasts (I rarely will go with a non-natural breasted girl; I even prefer natural saggies to silicones!). This girl just exuded a strong erotic vibe, and as I discovered I'm Zimmer she was a top performer.
We entered one of my favourite rooms (that's right you can ask for a specific number room and if it's available they will give this key to you) , one of the few (or only one) with a couch, and spent the first 15+ mins in deep kissing / foreplay mode. She then knelt in front of me and delivered a long, slow and deep BBBJ, that seemed endless. Then fun on the bed and before I knew it, we had exhaused the 60mins. But this girl gave me another 10mins of Zimmer time and gleefully accepted my two fifties at the end. She was so warm and girlfriend-like, I just had to see her again the very next day for my first session that day.
She told me she had worked for several months at a club near Saarbruken, and had then moved to Oase to "try it out." She said her plan was to move to Sharks the next week but when I visited Sharks last Sunday there was no sign of her. Outstanding girl!
By the way, her story of working in other clubs, had quite a familiar ring to it: Over 50% of the "new girls" I spoke to at Oase and Sharks said they had been working at another club (s) before they ended up in the club where I met them. For example I met several girls at Oase who claimed they had been working at Sharks, and at Sharks I met several girls who had been working at World (e. G. A blonde "GND-type" named Amina (?) from Bosnia, she claimed) and even a few girls from so-called "B-tier clubs" like Royal or Rom. I found it easy to tell from a few minutes chatting with a girl whether or not she was fresh off the bus / new to the club scene, or whether she seemed "club smart / savvy" in her mannerisms and demeanour. The point is so many of these girls move from club to club that it is a bit disingenuous to paint an entire club line-up as populated with "good girls" or "bad girls." A given club's line up might change in a day or week; it is seldom a black / white issue.
Some of the changes at Oase that have been complained about, e. G. The new key system have certain positives and negatives.
Positive: It is now much more unlikely that rooms that are in fact empty / availble will appear occupied because the previous occupants forgot to turn the red "Besetst" sign to green. Thus a more fluid Zimmer system. In fact one of the girls told me that Mauro had instituted the change because too many were keeping the red signs showing when the room was in fact empty.
Negative: During peak times when all rooms are occupied and a Stau develops (it wouldn't be Deutschland w / out a Stau, right?) , the line of couples waiting for an available room forms right in front of the bar, causing utter chaos for other guests who merely want to get a drink or a towel (now you get towels, etc. At the far right side of the bar, which used to be where the food was "in the old days."). This is a major flaw in the system and they really should re-think it, so they can put the key / room waiting point somewhere else that does not crowd up an already crowded bar area. (Of course, Mauro doesn't want to do this, because then he'll have to pay somebody extra just to hand out the Zimmer keys, right?)
Lastly, the often discussed food situation: As I often say, I don't give a shit about the food there, really. But since I was already in for a 10e meal voucher whether I ate or not, I did try the stuff on offer and I have to say it was rather good quality. I am not one who would applaud the FKK-club / Gourmet food cocktail, but actually it was quite nice after fucking for 3+ hours to take a nice break with some decent food (once I had a risotto that was great!) and the system seems to have been streamlined such that you don't have to wait that long (10 mins maybe?) for the food to come out, unless you are there at some peak time or messe zeit.
O
CaptCabins
12-06-13, 04:26
Funny, in my haste to write up brief accounts of some new girls that I tried at Oase last week, I completely forgot to write about my most enticing experience with a girl, completely new to Oase, who called herself Samira.
No, this is not the thin, petite Samira that has an Indian look to her and who has been in / out of Oase for the past two years or so. I refer here to a complete newcomer to Oase: A dark tanned skinned Romanian, with distinct and pure Gypsy features, longish thick slightly curly hair and dark, dark eyes. Not chubby at all, but also not pencil thin; a very nice figure with B+ natural breasts (I rarely will go with a non-natural breasted girl; I even prefer natural saggies to silicones!). This girl just exuded a strong erotic vibe, and as I discovered I'm Zimmer she was a top performer.Hi Ortos,
I went with a wg Samira once in 2012 at oase (she already left the club on my subsequent visit). She was at oase the first month fiden was there as well. She looks like arab / gypsy but certainly not caucasian. Full bodied figure with somewhat egyptian eyes. Services are complete amazinf dfk, sex mpos, ball licking and licks the dick from the lower balls up to the tip of the cock like she was really hungry while giving the sex looks. Long black hair till middle of the back. Height around 165 cm. Does this description matches your samira? This is the only girl I met that calls herself samira. She however tolf me the 1st time she is turkish but later on told me she is Romanian. But didn't say she is gypsy though.
Funny, in my haste to write up brief accounts of some new girls that I tried at Oase last week, I completely forgot to write about my most enticing experience with a girl, completely new to Oase, who called herself Samira.
ONice reports Ortos. I am liking the sensible approach to it all, rather than sometimes emotional over reaction of some reporters, and how you point out that line ups are very changeable, that food doesn't matter, etc. A few sharks, rip-off girls, and overly professional have been around Oase for many years. Someone visiting Oase today could see a very different experience to a visit just a few weeks ago.
Hi Ortos,
I went with a wg Samira once in 2012 at oase (she already left the club on my subsequent visit). She was at oase the first month fiden was there as well. She looks like arab / gypsy but certainly not caucasian. Full bodied figure with somewhat egyptian eyes. Services are complete amazinf dfk, sex mpos, ball licking and licks the dick from the lower balls up to the tip of the cock like she was really hungry while giving the sex looks. Long black hair till middle of the back. Height around 165 cm. Does this description matches your samira? This is the only girl I met that calls herself samira. She however tolf me the 1st time she is turkish but later on told me she is Romanian. But didn't say she is gypsy though.I cannot say for sure whether or not this is "your" Samira. My first impression is that she is NOT, but who knows? My understanding was that this was her first few days at Oase and that it was a temporary harbour until she went to Sharks. When asked about her previous club history, she only said she had worked for a time in a club (unnamed) near Saarbrukken) , she did not say she had been previously at Oase.
Just to clarify: she never said she was a Gypsy or not; I describe her facial features as "Gypsy-like" that is all. I am sure she is Romanian, because as she was blowing me soft and slow I told her "Bofta buhna" (Gut Apitit!) and she smiled and answered "musulmesc" and she was hanging with another Romanian girl or two. One distinct feature was that she wore fluffy shoe coverings over her ankles. Funny late in my second visit one of the Oase regulars with whom I have never sessioned actually commented to me that I seemed to be "in Love" with "dark haired girl with the (she made a hand gesture to indicate the ankle coverings) things on her shoes." It was as if she had taken close notice of my session partners over the past two days, even though I barely knew this girl. Unbelievable the way these girls have the brains of Air Traffic Controllers, LOL!
Anyway, if somebody spots a girl like Samira at Sharks (that's were she said she was heading) or indeed back at Oase or any other club, do let us know.
O
UltraHappy
12-09-13, 04:17
Got to visit good ole' Oase a number of times in the last half of November. As I've mentioned before, late November is always a good time to hit the clubs because for whatever reason, there are plenty of women but not as many men as usual. So, in late November, you always feel a little like a king in the clubs with your pick-and-choose of the litter so-to-speak. I'll have that one, that one, and that one over there!
I was worried from some of the prior reports that I would encounter a barren, desolate wasteland, but I found quite the opposite. The place was really hopping, plenty of great girls. Out of the new girls I tried, I only found a few poor performers. Plenty of good girls out there. Of the new girls I tried, I did not experience this great decline in service levels that has been reported by a few others awhile back.
I only came across 3 girls that I could really complain about:
Daniella (20 yrs old, Romanian)
Daniella wins the award for the most annoying upselling, short, light brown hair. Not to be confused with the taller, slightly skinnier, black hair Daniella who is reported to be quite good. The shorter Daniella looked promising during my initial chat, but as soon as we got to the room, she kept trying to upsell me the entire time with cim, anal, one hour, etc. I can understand letting a client know that something is available but when it becomes pestering, that is just annoying. On top of that, she was restrictive with positions. So, if you happen to meet a short 20 year Romanian named Daniella with light brown hair, beware.
Laura.
Laura, blond, skinny. Only at Oase since about 2. 5 months now. First, her pussy was too tiny for me so I couldn't really fuck her how I pleased. Second, she was restrictive with positions. Also, she was visibly pissed when I took her to the room for only half hour. Maybe her service will improve with time as she learns the business but for now, I would stay away. This will probably be difficult for many of you as her body is smoking hot but just don't say that I didn't warn you.
Blond Vanessa (short, skinny, Romanian. 20 or 21?)
Little Blond Vanessa. Incredibly hot little body. Not to be confused with the taller, dark haired Vanessa with the big eyes (who is very good by the way). Little blond Vanessa provides good service if you happen to go an hour with her. But, if you fail to agree to an hour upfront, be prepared to listen to her whine during the whole first half hour about staying with her for a full hour. Her constant pleading gets annoying. Also, at the locker, our half hour together somehow magically turned into an hour according to her. She immediately relented however when I cited the exact times we started and finished. I wonder how many guys she tricks into overpaying with her new math.
Even with these few bad apples though, by and large, almost all of the new girls I tried were great. Good girls outnumbered bad girls by the same ratio I experienced when I first started visiting Oase in 2011. So, in my experience, I am not seeing this great decline in service that has been reported by a few others on this board. Quite the opposite.
The Facilities.
The Relaxing Room.
Since two months had passed since my last visit, this was my first chance to see the new relaxing room. As you exit to the garden, it's just on the left. If you want to avoid going out in the cold, there are indoor stairs that take you right up to the relaxing room. Impressive indeed. No longer will anyone be able to complain that there is nowhere for the men to retreat to. Plenty of places to rest, relax, and sleep. The girls are not allowed in the men's relaxing room at all. They can't even go in there if invited by a man to go there with him. The girls I talked to say that they are happy that the men have somewhere to go to when they want to relax / sleep because then the girls aren't wasting their time propositioning these men who aren't ready to go to the room at the moment.
New Large Rooms.
I also had the chance to visit some of the new rooms (just below the relaxing room). These rooms are brand new, extra large, and are really nice. You can go to these rooms whenever you are taking two girls with you. I understand that you can go to these rooms with just one girl if all the other rooms are busy. I'm also told that no smoking is allowed in these rooms but I have no idea how that rule will be enforced or respected.
New Bartender.
I have fallen in love with the new cute little bartender from Poland, Carolina. She is so damn cute! It's too bad that we can't take the bartenders to the room with us. If I lived in Germany, I would have so asked her out (and been shot down).
New Locker Room.
This was my first chance to see the new men's locker room too. Nicely done but the lockers are still the same small size unfortunately. The size is adequate for summer but a little too small for all my stuff in the winter when coming in with a big winter jacket. I'm surprised Maura decided to keep with those kitschy red lip urinals again. Really? I thought he was trying to class up the joint. The showers are a big improvement. First, we don't have to suffer that initial burning hot water spurt when it first comes on. Second, these showers are designed where you can hit the knob to keep the shower on while the shower is operating, unlike the showers in the girls locker room. With those showers, hitting the button while the shower is on simply results in shutting the water off. I was so used to going to the old locker location that every time I went to shower, I almost walked into the girls locker room. Old habits.
Country Diversity.
I love my Romanians. I still keep an eye out for other nationalities in any case. I didn't happen to run into any non-Romanians this trip though. It's funny that I did meet one girl who claimed to be from another country. Out of habit, I kept speaking Romanian to her (with my very elementary Romanian). Her act was so good that every time I said something to her in Romanian, she would give me this look of utter incomprehension and say,"Huh? What?" Most Romanians immediately give up the ruse when they hear me speak Romanian to them, but this girl was absolutely committed to playing her role as a non-Romanian. Indeed, she had me fooled until the following day when she found me and sheepishly admitted that she felt bad for deceiving me and that she is indeed Romanian. So, I almost met a non-Romanian this trip until she gave up her act and confessed to me that she was really Romanian.
I think the country diversity of Oase has declined in the last two years. That doesn't bother me in the slightest since I am in love with Romania and Romanians. But I do think that many of people's perceptions of other nationalities at Oase are simply Romanians claiming to be from other countries. The Hungarians, Bulgarians, and Polish girls I used to know at Oase don't seem to be there anymore. I'm sure there are a few left but I just don't seem to run into them for whatever reason.
I still want to know when we will get to see all the new Croatian girls now that Croatia has joined the EU (July. 2013). I am ready to add Croatia to my list of conquered countries.
The Restaurant.
Maybe it was because I caught Oase at a relatively slow non-Messe time, but the restaurant operations seemed to have smoothed out and fallen into a groove (at least compared to when they first opened). Meals were prepared fairly quickly. They've numbered the tables to route your meal to the proper destination. So now there's less chance of meal mix-ups. I still don't know why they don't just write down our key number like Magnum does, but the table number system seems to work fine at least when I was there.
Atmosphere.
I was also pleased at the atmosphere of the club. It seemed to be much improved over prior visits. Indeed, on one Saturday night, the girls were all going crazy and partying most of the night right up until closing time. I'm used to seeing the place dead during the last two hours before closing with the girls looking tired and just waiting to go upstairs. But this time, the girls seemed to be in really good spirits. Many of them were drinking, dancing, and partying all the way up until closing. I mean, I almost felt like I was in Planet Happy Garden (NRW) with all the girl partying going on.
Conclusion: Plenty, plenty of good girls still at Oase. Even among just the new girls I tired at Oase this trip, I still find the good girls outnumbering the bad girls by a good margin. Just my experience.
PussyLiccker
12-09-13, 04:55
Great report UH. Very detailed and concise. Given the 3 detailed reports of the bad seeds, you sound to me more optimistic of Oase. If I personally experienced such services even among many great services, it would still leave bad impression of Oase as I usually don't get such bad services in the clubs I attend.
My last few trips to the NRW I have not experienced any upsell or nagging. It's sad to hear girls acting up in such manner. I would recommend a trip to the NRW for consistent good services there. Even at Mondial with 30e sessions girls didn't even look at the time, I'm sure I was in the room for 30-40min even though limit is 20, girls were really nice and would not try to pull anything on you. Same for PHG, GT, and ACA. ACA girls were super nice.
There are girls working in clubs like Mondial working for much less and happy to give good services and it just makes me ill to hear about such girls at Oase demanding more and more.
As for the restraunt, it's not hard to think of a system. That really turns me off about the place. Gives me the impression that they don't know how to run things. Just like their recent decisions on the unnecessary renovations.
I have good memories of this place like many of us here, and if this place is turning out the way some of us are stating, it's really sad as I had met some nice girls and had some memorable times here. Even back when I was a new monger attending this place like a temple, I did have some bad sessions here so I guess it's luck of the draw. Back then though I was more or less satisfied with standard services, and as I have had some exceptional services over time, my current definition of good service is much higher now.
Even among just the new girls I tired at Oase this trip, I still find the good girls outnumbering the bad girls by a good margin. Just my experience.Hey UH,
It would be a great report if you could list the details of the good girls, especially any newbies that recently joined Oase, and not just the bad.
Do you have some juicy info on that?
Howie
Solo Traveler
12-09-13, 11:40
The Relaxing Room.
Since two months had passed since my last visit, this was my first chance to see the new relaxing room. As you exit to the garden, it's just on the left. If you want to avoid going out in the cold, there are indoor stairs that take you right up to the relaxing room. Impressive indeed. No longer will anyone be able to complain that there is nowhere for the men to retreat to. Plenty of places to rest, relax, and sleep. The girls are not allowed in the men's relaxing room at all. They can't even go in there if invited by a man to go there with him. The girls I talked to say that they are happy that the men have somewhere to go to when they want to relax / sleep because then the girls aren't wasting their time propositioning these men who aren't ready to go to the room at the moment.When I visited FKK Oase on November 12, I found the relax area and the dining area to be the only two places where I would not be disturbed by aggressive girls.
(At first, I tried to relax in the sofa area next to the kino, but this idea turned out to be a disaster because many aggressive girls came to disturb me and I could not even close my eyes for 30 seconds.)
I think "a relax area for men only" is a great measure for male customers...[/QUOTE]When I visited FKK Sharks on November 18, I noticed a slim female staff working at the bar (caucasian with black hair).
In my eye, she is actually more sexually attractive than all the working girls on that day.
It is kind of weird but interesting to be turned on by the female staff, and then find a real working girl as an alternative in the FKK Club. LOL
Solo Traveler
12-09-13, 21:50
Why my previous post was not completely shown?
What I want to ask is that does anyone know about the relax area policy in other clubs (FKK Sharks, FKK World, and FKK Mainhattan )?
Do they have a relax area for men only (girls are not allowed to go inside) like Oase does?
Mumbai Boggler
12-10-13, 11:50
Hey guys,
Have any of you tried and been successful in taking a girl to your hotel (or home, as your situation might be) at the end of her shift at Oase? Or any other FKK club?
Just wondering if the girls are usually up for a few hours of 'private' fun / service if offered the right money. And what kind of money might this require?
Thanks bunch!
CaptCabins
12-10-13, 16:48
Hey guys,
Have any of you tried and been successful in taking a girl to your hotel (or home, as your situation might be) at the end of her shift at Oase? Or any other FKK club?
Just wondering if the girls are usually up for a few hours of 'private' fun / service if offered the right money. And what kind of money might this require?
Thanks bunch!Yes you can discuss it with a girl. But I have read reports here says you need to pay the club. The girls I have taken did not charge me for this or maybe it was inclusive. For 10 pm till 7. 30 am the price I got was 800 euro (first offering was 1000 euro but I haggled and lord of Ultratanddori chicken was kind to me).
Hey guys,
Have any of you tried and been successful in taking a girl to your hotel (or home, as your situation might be) at the end of her shift at Oase? Or any other FKK club?
Just wondering if the girls are usually up for a few hours of 'private' fun / service if offered the right money. And what kind of money might this require?
Thanks bunch!I would say 300-500 euro, probably 400 euro. Lower / nothing if she actually likes you and find you rather attractive.
UltraHappy
12-10-13, 17:25
Hey guys,
Have any of you tried and been successful in taking a girl to your hotel (or home, as your situation might be) at the end of her shift at Oase? Or any other FKK club?
Just wondering if the girls are usually up for a few hours of 'private' fun / service if offered the right money. And what kind of money might this require?
Thanks bunch!Not recommended to take a girl at the end of her shift. She will be tired after working a really long shift.
It's much better to get her on her day off, but this takes pre-planning.
You're usually better off just staying in the club. There, you have food, drinks, rooms, clean towels, sauna, everything. You don't have to worry about transportation logistics (how is the girl going to meet up with you, etc). And, you have your pick-and-choose of 50-100 girls. Why do you want to limit yourself to just one girl without any freedom to change to another girl? Why do you want to be stuck with just one girl?
Also, I don't recommend this unless you know the girl really well because if not, she could turn out to be a lazy or poor performer once outside the club. And in this situation, you have no recourse. You can't very well take her back to the FKK store for a refund, can you?
In any case, if you are dead set on this, all the girls will quote you 1, 000 Euros per night for this arrangement. This is just their starting offer that they all say because that is what is written in their FKK handbook (or it would seem given the prevalence of this price point if you happen to ask around).
If you are a regular and live in Germany, typical overnight take-outs with on-tap sex including a dinner run around 600 Euros / night and up. I'm sure that plenty of others have negotiated less, but I am trying to give you reasonable averages here. Again, this price usually won't be available to you unless the girl is very comfortable with you and is usually not extended to the casual tourist, so you might not be able to get this rate. Up your offer to 1, 000 Euros / night and you'll find quite a number of girls willing to do take-out with you (assuming you have made them comfortable with you and they aren't scared that you're going to stab them and drop them in the river).
Again, I would not recommend this sort of arrangement for the casual tourist because you've already got the best arrangement right in front of you. The FKK!
I happen to do take-out on a regular basis but that's just because I can't fuck all day, every day on my extended FKK holidays. So, I often do a couple days take-out as a break from the repeated exhausting, all day fucking. I suppose I could take a break on my own without the company of a young pretty thing but that wouldn't be as much fun, would it?
RempNobbes
12-10-13, 20:05
Not recommended to take a girl at the end of her shift. She will be tired after working a really long shift.
It's much better to get her on her day off, but this takes pre-planning.
You're usually better off just staying in the club. There, you have food, drinks, rooms, clean towels, sauna, everything. You don't have to worry about transportation logistics (how is the girl going to meet up with you, etc). And, you have your pick-and-choose of 50-100 girls. Why do you want to limit yourself to just one girl without any freedom to change to another girl? Why do you want to be stuck with just one girl?
Also, I don't recommend this unless you know the girl really well because if not, she could turn out to be a lazy or poor performer once outside the club. And in this situation, you have no recourse. You can't very well take her back to the FKK store for a refund, can you?
In any case, if you are dead set on this, all the girls will quote you 1, 000 Euros per night for this arrangement. This is just their starting offer that they all say because that is what is written in their FKK handbook (or it would seem given the prevalence of this price point if you happen to ask around).
If you are a regular and live in Germany, typical overnight take-outs with on-tap sex including a dinner run around 600 Euros / night and up. I'm sure that plenty of others have negotiated less, but I am trying to give you reasonable averages here. Again, this price usually won't be available to you unless the girl is very comfortable with you and is usually not extended to the casual tourist, so you might not be able to get this rate...I must agree here. Well, I did not made any bad experience. But it is not easy to get a girl out of the clubs. That takes time and trust. This is something you have to build up during a long time. That can not Ben done after one visit. But at all I must say it is so wonderful having your girl on your side and cruising around a city and being beside you in the hotel bed.
I did that several times in my fkk club live. But I must say, I am German. That makes it easier. But I know that the girls do it also with clients coming from outside Germany. But she must be good in English understanding and writing. In "frensh" they are unbeatable.) LOL.
There are some rules you have to follow. And then it will be not that expensive it is mentioned here. First try to get her cell phone number and start to chat. You will be successful sometime. Arrange that visit only with her and not with the club. That makes live much easier. For both. Only then it will be sure that she is focused on you. Do not do it after her work early in the morning as mentioned above. Never ever!
You will see. After she is out of the club she will be complete different but in a good way. You get to know her much more, also about her private live. And all of them, I went out with, we're very happy to have that, because as you could imagine, most of the girls are staying weeks in clubs and do not see other things. What means, they are hungry for going out and see the world. I made that expirence many times. And if you go out for dinner and do little shopping, it is not going to be expensive at all.
So, what is the forum here for? Just ask and you get the right answer. Because all of us are writing out of their own knowledge.
So ask. What you want.
At the end we can give you a kind of guideline. But that is important.
So far from Berlin.
Cheers,
Ran
Why my previous post was not completely shown?
What I want to ask is that does anyone know about the relax area policy in other clubs (FKK Sharks, FKK World, and FKK Mainhattan )?
Do they have a relax area for men only (girls are not allowed to go inside) like Oase does?No, only Oase has men- only relax zone. Many sessions start in the relax zone of FKK World with those plush couches. FKK sharks has the somewhat remote upstairs relax area but it is not off limits to the women. Mainhattan I believe has, I think, a no approach policy in the wellness zone but maybe not, women are still allowed inside that area.
Hessen Bub
12-10-13, 22:28
Officially you have to pay the club if you want to take a currently working girl outside. I think it was something like 130. Never paid it. But I never took a girl directly from the club to a hotel.
HB
Mainhattan I believe has, I think, a no approach policy in the wellness zone but maybe not, women are still allowed inside that area.I do not think any area in Mainhattan off limits. Many times I have been relaxing on loungers by hot tub and have had someone approach me or sit on me. Also seen women climb in hot tub to solicit.
Hessen Bub
12-10-13, 22:37
I heard that at Mainhattan they introduced the wellness area as a no approach zone recently.
HB
I heard that at Mainhattan they introduced the wellness area as a no approach zone recently.
HBMust be new, as mentioned, my last visits were in April. Previously, frequently approached on loungers or those couches along wall by hot tub
Solo Traveler
12-10-13, 23:09
No, only Oase has men- only relax zone. Many sessions start in the relax zone of FKK World with those plush couches. FKK sharks has the somewhat remote upstairs relax area but it is not off limits to the women. Mainhattan I believe has, I think, a no approach policy in the wellness zone but maybe not, women are still allowed inside that area.Thanks a lot Beffen1,
I could confirm that of FKK Sharks, because when I was sleeping on the deck chair on the 2nd floor area, I would still be disturbed by few aggressive girls (they woke me up by sitting on my lap).
I still cannot understand why some working girls don't leave the sleeping male customers alone.
I mean, if a man is sleeping on the sofa or the deck chair in the FKK club, it obviously means that the man is trying hard to restore his energy for the next session.
So, disturbing a sleeping man is actually reducing the possibility of the man to pay more money for more sessions.
TankTank123
12-10-13, 23:10
Yes you can discuss it with a girl. But I have read reports here says you need to pay the club. The girls I have taken did not charge me for this or maybe it was inclusive. For 10 pm till 7. 30 am the price I got was 800 euro (first offering was 1000 euro but I haggled and lord of Ultratanddori chicken was kind to me).You can avoid paying the club the 150 if you choose a day shift girl who is already free to leave at 10 pm and make sure that you leave separately with about 5 minutes gap and meet up say at the taxi stand near the main road. In my case, my regular has her own taxi contact whom she calls to pick us up from there.
Officially you have to pay the club if you want to take a currently working girl outside. I think it was something like 130. Never paid it. But I never took a girl directly from the club to a hotel.
HBDo the girls receive any salary from the club? Any other benefits?
Otherwise it seems quite clear that the club violates the labour laws. It reminds me a little about a case in Washington (stripper vs stripclub) not so long ago.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031202154.html
CaptCabins
12-11-13, 01:01
You can avoid paying the club the 150 if you choose a day shift girl who is already free to leave at 10 pm and make sure that you leave separately with about 5 minutes gap and meet up say at the taxi stand near the main road. In my case, my regular has her own taxi contact whom she calls to pick us up from there.Take her on her off day usually girls go off either on Sunday, Monday or Tuesday. For 1000 euro they come by themselves to my hotel. For regular girls that give me 800 euro I meet up with them or pay for their cab and bring them for dinner or drinks at least.
Please do know that girls will be calling their pimps to tell them where they are so I avoid bringing them to my place of stay.
Solo Traveler
12-11-13, 03:46
I used to think that all the girls working in FKK Clubs are freelancers.
(The FKK Club websites always describe the working girls as "self entrepreneur" and has nothing to do with the club itself.)
I am now surprised to hear that some part of the girls actually have their pimps and need to make some deals the club.
At least they go to the club and work there with their own free will, right?
Please tell me that they are not exploited and not forced to work there, or I will feel bad.
Banana Boi
12-11-13, 06:27
Please do know that girls will be calling their pimps to tell them where they are so I avoid bringing them to my place of stay.Girls don't actually need to call their pimps. The pimps can track where their girls are through their iPhones.
I don't understand this fascination of take out with the girls. For 1000 euro I could have 10 girls for 1 hour each. Maybe it's just me but that sounds so much better than 1 girl for 8-10 hours. I'm not even including the money for shopping, dinner, etc.
Hessen Bub
12-11-13, 08:54
Tracked by their pimps? Calling their pimps? Never had that problem. Just chose a girl without a pimp. One who likes you, one who trust you and voce versa. Take her out. If you click with her you don't have to pay her, they will be happy to spend some quality time in a restaurant, hotel, cinema, their apartment, your apartment. If you are a nice guy. If you are not. Pay her. For non regulars it's probably better value for money to stay at the club and pay room time only.
HB
RempNobbes
12-11-13, 10:24
Tracked by their pimps? Calling their pimps? Never had that problem. Just chose a girl without a pimp. One who likes you, one who trust you and voce versa. Take her out. If you click with her you don't have to pay her, they will be happy to spend some quality time in a restaurant, hotel, cinema, their apartment, your apartment. If you are a nice guy. If you are not. Pay her. For non regulars it's probably better value for money to stay at the club and pay room time only.
HBHB I agree with you and I made several times very good experience. Please, mention. Must all the girls have pimps?
After many years training you get an eye for that, if they have pimps or not. Most of the younger babes with tattoos from eastern Germany be careful with. But there are enough other left. And saying again. Taking out a girl is not the same like being in the club. Job is job and being private is different.
Someone around on Saturday for Oase Christmas party? Thursday Panthera this week.
Cheers,
RN
YamaYama0519
12-11-13, 14:05
For 1000 euro I could have 10 girls for 1 hour each.Moneywise, you're right. But I want to "possess" a girl for 8 hours for 1,000E. Mentality sometimes wins money.
Amriptna111
12-11-13, 14:30
Tracked by their pimps? Calling their pimps? Never had that problem. Just chose a girl without a pimp. One who likes you, one who trust you and voce versa. Take her out. If you click with her you don't have to pay her, they will be happy to spend some quality time in a restaurant, hotel, cinema, their apartment, your apartment. If you are a nice guy. If you are not. Pay her. For non regulars it's probably better value for money to stay at the club and pay room time only.
HBI think what CC means is the situation where a girl informs someone where she is and when she is expected to return. Normal procedure for an outcall service just in case anything happens to her. Yes it could be her pimp or could just be a friend looking out for her safety.
CaptCabins
12-11-13, 17:30
Girls don't actually need to call their pimps. The pimps can track where their girls are through their iPhones.
I don't understand this fascination of take out with the girls. For 1000 euro I could have 10 girls for 1 hour each. Maybe it's just me but that sounds so much better than 1 girl for 8-10 hours. I'm not even including the money for shopping, dinner, etc.No I don't take them for shoppping. For 800 euro I go totally for anal, toys, cim and facial. Of course I make sure to get my moneys worth. Both of us are helping each other as the girl gets 800 euro (in the club she may get 300 to 500 euro a day). I always tell the girls what to expect and usually it involves certains fetish. For me its worth if I am horny for something different things to do.
She told me she had to call someone to check in and check out for safety reasons.
UltraHappy
12-11-13, 17:36
I would also add that all the prices here assume non-messe time periods. Also, the discount rates would only apply on the slower days Monday / Tuesdays for example. I wouldn't expect to pay discount rates for take-out on a busy Friday or Saturday night. Just something to consider.
Hessen Bub
12-11-13, 17:36
At RN: You're referring to Eastern Europe and not Eastern Germany? Yes, the younger the girls the more likely they do have a pimp.
At A: Sure it is common to tell somebody where you go with a client for safety reasons."My girls" never needed to. Some dates were years ago when tracking a mobile phone wasn't sp easy. And just now the girl I've been out with does have a phone, no smartphone, so no tracking. LOL. But she returned safely and in one piece.
HB
CaptCabins
12-11-13, 18:17
At RN: You're referring to Eastern Europe and not Eastern Germany? Yes, the younger the girls the more likely they do have a pimp.
At A: Sure it is common to tell somebody where you go with a client for safety reasons."My girls" never needed to. Some dates were years ago when tracking a mobile phone wasn't sp easy. And just now the girl I've been out with does have a phone, no smartphone, so no tracking. LOL. But she returned safely and in one piece.
HBSpot on Hb. I think only the old girls have gotten away from the pimps or bought their way out. Some of this pimps even patron the clubs such as the fat Turkish guy that have a mohawk she is Alexia pimp and the other is the Arab / middle eastern man with the bad skin who owns Loreta and friends.
Spot on Hb. I think only the old girls have gotten away from the pimps or bought their way out. Some of this pimps even patron the clubs such as the fat Turkish guy that have a mohawk she is Alexia pimp and the other is the Arab / middle eastern man with the bad skin who owns Loreta and friends.What do you mean by pimping? I don't see any reason why any of the girls in fkk:s should have or need a pimp. As far I'm concerned pimps are disgusting and should be locked away for a long, long time. But maybe its just the fact that I don't know how pimping actually works in reality.
TankTank123
12-11-13, 23:05
What makes it worthwhile for me is being able to have a bottle of Champagne at supermarket prices in a thick comfortable double bed with clean sheets the whole night long, and having sex until we crash out at 5 am without having to worry about having to make the journey back to hotel. And to restart for a last round when we wake up at 9am.
The beauty of this arrangement is that it then ends there without having say a girlfriend who expects continuous attention henceforth or a wife to live with forever.
Is the Russian blonde girl from Vladivostock named Natalia or Natasha still around?
I met her 2 months ago and she stood out as a very smart and intelligent girl. Much more interresting than any of the other girls I've met at Oase.
Their are some independent hookers but a high proportion of the girls working in Germany (particulary Romanian and Bulgarian girls) have some sort of male (or males) in the background. Be he a boyfriend, a manager, a pimp or a gang who takes a proportion of (or sometimes most of) the girls income. In most cases the clubs are just interested in having sufficient hookers on the premises for the customers and (provided there is no trouble) are not going to question the background of any particular working girl. Of course there are some who like to believe that all of these girls are working and saving for their future or are attending college in their down time. Some girls are independent but often this is not the case. Very often (again particularly in the case of Romanian and Bulgarian girls) poverty and lack of opportunity drive women into this trade. All is not doom and gloom but unfortunately thre is sometimes a darker reality to the nature of this business and you either go with it or not. I choose to go with this but I also prefer to know and realise what is sometimes the reality.
StarletVoyager
12-12-13, 06:54
Hi all I'm stuck in a dingy internet cafe so ill give a report when I get home a full lowdown. Its 650am on Thursday morn and I went to sharks and had a stellar time last nite. Oase rocked on Monday too. I was knuckle deep in Russian natalia on Tuesday morn 3am. She is there and she is uber hot! nachste stop berlin.
Hessen Bub
12-12-13, 09:05
What do you mean by pimping? I don't see any reason why any of the girls in fkk:s should have or need a pimp. As far I'm concerned pimps are disgusting and should be locked away for a long, long time. But maybe its just the fact that I don't know how pimping actually works in reality.Girls in FKKs do have pimps. Like in any other paysex variation. Don't be blinded by the shiny clean surface. The dark side of the business is still there. And it is a mutli billion euro business.
HB
Member #4585
12-12-13, 09:09
Has anyone seen Fiden or Polish brunette Yulia at Oase recently? 1 week to go after a 5 month break back in hessen. Lovely.Fiden I saw last time I was at Oase. I am not sure of her working timetable.
Polish brunette Julia was a blonde last I saw her in October and she was working at Sharks. I did not see Julia over the last weekend though at Sharks.
Is the Russian blonde girl from Vladivostock named Natalia or Natasha still around?
I met her 2 months ago and she stood out as a very smart and intelligent girl. Much more interresting than any of the other girls I've met at Oase.Yes the blonde Natasha is still around at Oase, now with curley hair.
Solo Traveler
12-12-13, 16:37
Girls in FKKs do have pimps. Like in any other paysex variation. Don't be blinded by the shiny clean surface. The dark side of the business is still there. And it is a mutli billion euro business.
HBWhether the girls have pimps or not, at least the girls make their own choice to take the job, right?
If a girl is forced to work as a prostitute and is seriously exploited, the male customers will notice the reluctance and unhappiness easily.
From my very limited FKK experience, I did not notice anything wrong.
CaptCabins
12-13-13, 06:59
Whether the girls have pimps or not, at least the girls make their own choice to take the job, right?
If a girl is forced to work as a prostitute and is seriously exploited, the male customers will notice the reluctance and unhappiness easily.
From my very limited FKK experience, I did not notice anything wrong.Some of the girls were promised to get job as waitress at Swiss or Germany to get better pay in Germany (being promised something different)
But then somehow they end up there. Some don't complain because they make more money in a day then what a pilot in Romania makes a month!
Only thing is the high service fee the gangs / pimps / agent imposes. They are the one making good money from us and the girls
Some of the girls are required to spend time with the gangs. Its the seedy world of pros. Lets not be naive about it.
Hessen Bub
12-13-13, 08:37
Whether the girls have pimps or not, at least the girls make their own choice to take the job, right?Some will, others won't.
If a girl is forced to work as a prostitute and is seriously exploited, the male customers will notice the reluctance and unhappiness easily.Definetly wrong. As an occasional visitor you will not notice if a girl is there on her free will or not, if she does have a pimp / manager / husband or not.
HB
PussyLiccker
12-13-13, 12:01
These girls have a pimp or a bf. Typically girls that are free from either will spill all the juicy info about pimps and bfs that other girls have.
Here are some intel I've gathered, can't be sure how true they are.
This one is true since I've witnessed it. When I was in a session with a girl, my girl picked up the phone and I heard a girl crying on the phone. I was told the girl got hit by her bf. This girl works in one of the clubs. I've seen her in the club, and there is no way in hell you can tell this stuff goes on behind the curtains. This bf is what we think of as a "pimp." I'm guessing the girls in Germany calls pimps boyfriend also. Quite possible these girls would call a pimp a bf, and an observer would label this bf as a pimp. When a girl say she has a pimp that probably means she has a manager.
Don't know how true this is, but a girl told me that most of the WGs have a bf that they like to buy stuff or give money to. She mean't alot of the WGs work in the clubs so that they can do this for their bf. So that means these girls are vulnerable, and men are taking advantage of them.
We imagine a pimp as a threatening man that treats the girls bad, but not necessarily according to what a girl told me. She told me pimps actually takes care of the girls, such as getting their medical check-ups, finding clubs for them, and other things girls just arrived in Germany wouldn't know how to do.
But, she told me overall, the type of girls that work in the clubs are the ones that are vulnerable or easily charmed by men that would use them.
Hessen Bub
12-13-13, 13:35
Two links around human traffickers (in Romania) :
http://www.caritas.org/Resources/Coatnet/TraffickersRomania.html
http://www.mydangerousloverboy.com/
You may not call them pimps. But that's what they are.
HB
Pimps involvements are often discussed about in FKK.
Most famous one seems the tattooed name Andul on some girls in palace fkk and also I spotted few girls with same tattoo in fkk Artemis too.
Once I asked one girl who do not have this tattoo and she told me this is two brothers and they live in Majorca and from biker gang and boom, what did I find this summer?
I found bunch of high scale media reporting that many high ranking biker gang guys got arrested in Majorca.
I do not know if it is the same guy, but one of the guy is Abdul and he has brother according to my web research.
There are many articles and video footage about this incident and I put link to English one:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/24/hells-angels-members-arrested-mallorca
I think, since prostitution is actually legal in Germany police are cracking down on this pimping problem I think.
It is hard for us mongers to accept this fact, but it is true that these pimps help FKK clubs get better looking girls and indirectly benefit us. I want girls to have best for future, but we are unfortunately benefiting from this dark "service" of pimps.
Well I think:
I am sure romanians have broker who got them into germany, set girls up the base here in germany.
But! Actually most of the girls I met who has tattoo of the guys name (sign of ownership right) are actually German girls. Funny fact hey. Some seems quite normal girls without these tattos of guys name etc.
In contrary. I feel Hungarian and Czech girls are mostly independent girls and have no pimps. Just doing it for better lives, this is my experience but I see less girls from hungary and Czech, especially hungary who seems to be more independent girls just had no opportunity, so doing do better their lives.
Do you guys feel the same?
Guys, I was hoping this conversation was in lounge and chat as it is interesting topic. If you like try to dig on article I put up above as you find many articles in German (use google translator) and also some video footage. It is interesting as we were indirectly involved as end customers of these guys.
I was friends on FB with a working girl before. Seeing photos of 5-6 working girls I recognized in a nightclub setting was different. Sometimes there were Albanian guys in the photos or commenting, so makes you Wonder. Coming from a corrupt place, they probably don't trust authorities. Pimps may also threaten to hurt family members, or get them addicted to drugs. And like everybody said, even if the pimps are taking their cuts, the girls are still making a ton a lot more money than they would, so they don't get complain.
Once when I was at world, I saw a younger guy with a mohawk sitting on the sofa with bottle service. I was one sofa away, near the stripper pole by the money locker. I saw a girl sit next to him. But the body language was a little different. The girl wasn't flirting or trying to get him to go to the room. Then he told the girl to summon the next girl. One by one girls were reporting to him, sitting next to him on the couch. Some of the conversations were jovial and joking. Some seemed stern. Others it seemed like the girl was looking for approval, like the girl was coming up with an excuse and the pimp was pensive, presumably trying to figure out if she was lying. At some point, I closed my eyes and took a nap. Was awoken when he barked at one girl that was at the bar a couple of meters away. He noticed that he startled me so he apologized.
Haha, now you both have me confused. Is her name Natalia or Natasha? Are there two different russians at Oase? One named Natalia, and one Natasha?
And which one of them is from Vladivostock?
Haha, now you both have me confused. Is her name Natalia or Natasha? Are there two different russians at Oase? One named Natalia, and one Natasha?
And which one of them is from Vladivostock?Natasha is the informal version of Natalia so unless two separate girls are identified there is only one.
I was friends on FB with a working girl before. Seeing photos of 5-6 working girls I recognized in a nightclub setting was different. Sometimes there were Albanian guys in the photos or commenting, so makes you Wonder. Coming from a corrupt place, they probably don't trust authorities. Pimps may also threaten to hurt family members, or get them addicted to drugs. And like everybody said, even if the pimps are taking their cuts, the girls are still making a ton a lot more money than they would, so they don't get complain.
Once when I was at world, I saw a younger guy with a mohawk sitting on the sofa with bottle service. I was one sofa away, near the stripper pole by the money locker. I saw a girl sit next to him. But the body language was a little different. The girl wasn't flirting or trying to get him to go to the room. Then he told the girl to summon the next girl. One by one girls were reporting to him, sitting next to him on the couch. Some of the conversations were jovial and joking. Some seemed stern. Others it seemed like the girl was looking for approval, like the girl was coming up with an excuse and the pimp was pensive, presumably trying to figure out if she was lying. At some point, I closed my eyes and took a nap. Was awoken when he barked at one girl that was at the bar a couple of meters away. He noticed that he startled me so he apologized.Hehe, at least he apologize and polite to the end customers LOL.
We took this discussion to forum category go "Lounge and chat".
It is interesting topic to wonder and chats, so if you want to continue this topic, come to "lounge and chat" forum section, we will be there.
Pimp aint just in Hip Hop music hey LOL They are in German FKK LOL.
Alchemist7744
12-15-13, 18:29
After missing a couple of weeks ago because of a work-related problem, I finally managed to go to Oase this Saturday.
I had missed the fact that it was the Christmas party, so I was initially surprised by the number of cars already there at 16:30, many more than the other Saturday afternoons I had been there.
Very large number of girls, it seems that Mauro's threat to fire the girls who were not present had some effect (some apparently even came back on purpose for the day). Many men also, and I think that for once the number of germans was much higher than the 'tourists'. I did not find the usual large groups of Italians which lately seemed to make up a fair proportion of the audience. It seemed a lot of the men were more interested in the shows and in the food (free buffet) than in sex, as judged by the fact that the queue for the buffet opening was much longer than any queue for the room keys (max 10 minutes long at the busiest time from what I could see) , and there was not much action in the kino all night long. I must say I found this quite surprising and sad, and it did not make the girls particularly happy.
Not impressed by the shows, I spent most of my time in rooms but what I saw was not that great, and I don't understand how they could make the tombola so boring, having 100 mostly beautiful and mostly naked women I am sure they could have come up with something better with a bit of fantasy.
For the ladies, I decided to start with some new ones (at least new for me) before going back to a few of my regulars:
.Brianna from Czech Republic. Blonde, with a small piercing on her face. She accosted me in the main room, she was very smiling and not sharky. We discussed a bit and I quite liked her. Tits a bit less perky than I usually like but not bad at all, and nice rounded hips. Good service in the room, very GFE as I like, kisses well and gave an excellent BBBJTC. I especially liked her sweet smile, cute but a little cheeky, which came up at various moments during our time together No upselling and I will definitely repeat if I get an occasion. Works the day shift.
.Carla. Well known here, I decided to meet her based on the many good reports here, plus she has a body type I really like, small boobs and a tight bum. I told her I like preliminaries and 'games', and she was indeed very playful! A bit like a crazy kitten, she really liked trapping my tongue in her mouth and suck really hard. Nice, but it made a bit worried for the BBJ: I should not have been, she gave my cock a very good seeing-to, and I left her very happy. Less interesting conversation than with some other ladies, but that is not such a problem I would say. Overall just as good as other have said.
.Raluca, dark curly hair and fairly dark skin. One of my regulars since the time she came to me in the kino, and managed to seduce me (in a non-sharkish way, if you see what I mean). I had promised her a session last time I was in Oase but I had missed her, so this time I had to honour my promise. Solid performance, she knows what I like and does it quite well; gentle try to sell me sole anal, but again done in a fairly seductive way, not the usual 'want anal. 100 euro? ' and she did not push after I said no.
.Alina, Romanian, dark hair, friend of Raluca, a bit more curvy than my usual taste. Another regular, I find her oddly endearing, and I like to have some very GFE session with her, especially when I am a bit spent from previous sessions and I want something relaxe.
-And finally, Alexandra (I think now she goes by Iris) , curly brown hair, Romanian. My regular from my very first visit, I like her body (slim, nice breasts and bum). Can seem very serious at first, but she relaxes quite nicely with me and becomes quite GFE. She is also one of the most open-minded, she lets me do a lot of things to her for free that other girls would ask extra for. I had already come three times by then and I was afraid I was spent, but she quite easily managed to get a fourth out of me, and she almost got to the fifth. I think I mentioned in another report that I really like her BBBJTC, and I must confirm!
One note for the readers about the meetings: I especially like kissing and preliminaries, and then the main course is (fairly long) BBBJ. I rarely end up doing intercourse, since I do not like too much doing it with condom (and I am not suicidal, so no way I would do bareback). So consider that if I have a good experience with someone, it does not reflect eventual restrictions on positions, or pussy tightness, etc.
Overall I was very happy with the night, I did not have any disappointing room, and the two new discoveries were excellent. A bit disappointed with the party atmosphere, but again I spent most of my time in the rooms so not such a problem.
Finally, since food seems to be so important to some: I found the food decent without being really good. I appreciated the buffet simply because it allowed me to make three small meals and avoided me to need a digestion pause (by the way, the rest room was totally packed the only time I went upstairs, again probably more men there than in the rooms). Only Italian-style food, OK for me since I am Italian, but a poor guy tried to find some food suitable for vegetarians and ended up eating only potatoes and dessert!
PS I agree with Ultrahappy that the new Polish bartender is way cute. Funny how our brain works, with so many available women we end up wanting the one who is unavailable.
Hessen Bub
12-15-13, 20:27
Free buffet? How generous of Mauro. LOL.
Brianna is Romanian, but still a good session. I like her, she had a long break and now she's back.
HB
Alchemist7744
12-15-13, 21:01
Free buffet? How generous of Mauro. LOL.
Brianna is Romanian, but still a good session. I like her, she had a long break and now she's back.
HBWell, free at 70 E for entry, but still different from the latest system. Still nothing particularly fancy, so I am pretty sure he did not break the bank. .
For Brianna, she will not be the last Romanian to say she is from somewhere else, personally I do not care really much. Happy you also enjoy her company.
I have soured on Oase a bit, after it was pretty much my regular club. Now I am pretty much restricting to NRW.
There still plenty of nice girls, but I was running into too many up sellers, and I was getting sick of it. Esp since they would put on an especially poor performance once I declined the upsell. I just wasn't feeling I was getting my money's worth, which is too bad since I loved Oase.
I wish the management would work more actively to discourage this behavior. Any change recently? I haven't been back in 4 months.
Solo Traveler
12-16-13, 08:48
If a girl got a sudden attitude change (change her smile into a frown, start to perform poorly, or even act like a dead fish) after she failed to upsell (or rip off) , what can we customers do to protect our own rights?
I mean, once she starts to perform the BBBJ, I guess I still have to pay full price (50 EUR) even if I give up the rest of the shitty session.
What will you guys do if you met a girl like this?
If a girl got a sudden attitude change (change her smile into a frown, start to perform poorly, or even act like a dead fish) after she failed to upsell (or rip off) , what can we customers do to protect our own rights?
I mean, once she starts to perform the BBBJ, I guess I still have to pay full price (50 EUR) even if I give up the rest of the shitty session.
What will you guys do if you met a girl like this?Complain at the front desk and be specific.
I have soured on Oase a bit, after it was pretty much my regular club. Now I am pretty much restricting to NRW.
There still plenty of nice girls, but I was running into too many up sellers, and I was getting sick of it. Esp since they would put on an especially poor performance once I declined the upsell. I just wasn't feeling I was getting my money's worth, which is too bad since I loved Oase.
I wish the management would work more actively to discourage this behavior. Any change recently? I haven't been back in 4 months.I suggest you do two things:
1. Read the forum! There have been several recent reports claiming that the exact downhill trend you describe at Oase is NOT characteristic of the club NOW. So why do you ask if there has been any change recently?
2. Revisit and see for yourself. You had a few bad visits 4 months ago? That was during the transitional period Summer-Autumn, when traditionally the line-ups at clubs can be a bit dodgy.
I visited fairly recently and tried lots of new girls. I did not encounter up-selling on any grand scale and the performance in room was great to outstanding, all from new girls at Oase.
So stop whining about bad beats and get back to take a fresh look. Oase is just as good as in the past, in my opinion.
UltraHappy
12-16-13, 18:57
If a girl got a sudden attitude change (change her smile into a frown, start to perform poorly, or even act like a dead fish) after she failed to upsell (or rip off) , what can we customers do to protect our own rights?
I mean, once she starts to perform the BBBJ, I guess I still have to pay full price (50 EUR) even if I give up the rest of the shitty session.
What will you guys do if you met a girl like this?You are correct. No refunds, no discounts. Once her lips start worshipping your member, you're out 50 Euros (with rare exceptions not applicable to Oase). You can't take her back to the FKK store for a refund.
All you can do is (1) take one for the team (2) not ever repeat with that girl again (3) tell your friends not to go with her. I would also recommend that you share "bad attitude" girls on the forum to help fellow mongers avoid wasting money on the bad ones. See for example my December 8th post where I name 3 Oase girls to be wary of. But realistically, naming them on this forum will have little effect on their business because only a very small percentage of visitors actually read this forum and even those readers can't very well remember even a handful of names when they happen to be walking around the club, so really, our posting here probably has little effect. I don't know about others, but I sure can't remember any of the names of girls who I don't already know.
You could complain to the front desk, but I would reserve complaining to the front desk for only the most egregious of offenders. We don't know what kind of problems and stress that one girl might be having that one day and I personally would be reluctant to be screwing with someone's livelihood just because I didn't happen to happen to have a good session with a girl.
The only time I've personally had to make a trip to the front desk was to clarify pricing at a club because the girl didn't understand how pricing longer than an hour worked in Living Room. But, if a girl was out and out trying to cheat me and wouldn't back down after I called her on it, you bet I'd let the front desk know. Just hasn't happened to me yet.
Indi Companion
12-17-13, 21:07
I visited fairly recently and tried lots of new girls. I did not encounter up-selling on any grand scale and the performance in room was great to outstanding, all from new girls at Oase.Even being a very regular client of Oase for years I also had very disappointing experiences over 2013 and therefore took a break from going there over the last 2/3 months.
However, what you say Ortos is correct. And I will go back soon to check the improvements in services which have been reported. Only thing that does not sound good to me are the bad reports from German local friends of mine. But then, nowaday Sharks is higher on German ranking list. Or maybe I just got the wrong friends!
My opinion: Skip Oase for World or Sharks.
HBI'm a German client (sorry for my English) and I agree with this statement.
I was often in Oase in the last years. But now, I don't.
Sharks lineup is good too, even better, the service level in this clubs (World, Sharks) are better in my opinion.
Sharks is the new Oase, Oase is the new Palace.
Also FKK Maihattan is a good choice, too.
I only go minimal times back in Oase to see some of my favorite knowing girls.
Chatticus
Hi all.
After all renovation, what is new setup. Whats the cost for VIP area and benefits. Sessions remain same price in both areas? Sorry I didn't go to Oase for long time.
Thanks
Chatticus,
If I have only one night in Frankfurt, what is the best one to go to between World, Sharks, and Maihattan? Which one is closest?
Thanks.
I'm a German client (sorry for my English) and I agree with this statement.
I was often in Oase in the last years. But now, I don't.
Sharks lineup is good too, even better, the service level in this clubs (World, Sharks) are better in my opinion.
Sharks is the new Oase, Oase is the new Palace.
Also FKK Maihattan is a good choice, too.
I only go minimal times back in Oase to see some of my favorite knowing girls.
Chatticus
Indi Companion
12-18-13, 08:57
Chatticus,
If I have only one night in Frankfurt, what is the best one to go to between World, Sharks, and Maihattan? Which one is closest?
Thanks.If you stay Frankfurt downtown then Mainhattan is the closest one.
To go to World in the evening you will need a car or you will have to pay a lot in taxi.
From Thursday to Sunday, best way in the middle is for sure Sharks which is not too far away and has a better lineup than Mainhattan in my opinion.
Locals are avoiding Oase mainly due to the change in the food services department. All you have to do is read the local boards. While I was in Frankfurt, I spoke to the punters at various FKK clubs and they talked about and how if they don't change policy, they won't be back. I spoke to at least 20 regular punters and they all looked pissed off when talking about it.
However, what you say Ortos is correct. And I will go back soon to check the improvements in services which have been reported. Only thing that does not sound good to me are the bad reports from German local friends of mine. But then, nowaday Sharks is higher on German ranking list. Or maybe I just got the wrong friends!
PussyLiccker
12-18-13, 14:41
Oase is just as good as in the past, in my opinion.Let the man have his opinion too. Criticisms add perspective. you seem to be so hostile toward them, it gives the impression you are biased toward a certain club.
I take it that you had no bad sessions with the new girls?
it doesn't matter actually, I don't like the place right now.
Chatticus,
If I have only one night in Frankfurt, what is the best one to go to between World, Sharks, and Maihattan? Which one is closest?
Thanks.
Sharks has been pretty popular lately, but Mainhattan is close to Hbf. I personally like the girls at Mainhattan more than Sharks although line-up is smaller at Mainhattan.
If you don't have much time, go to Mainhattan.
Indi Companion
12-18-13, 16:05
Locals are avoiding Oase mainly due to the change in the food services department. All you have to do is read the local boards. While I was in Frankfurt, I spoke to the punters at various FKK clubs and they talked about and how if they don't change policy, they won't be back. I spoke to at least 20 regular punters and they all looked pissed off when talking about it.The food is also an other issue raised by my German friends. But many of them were not happy with the services too.
However, I still share the point of view that a club like Oase should be given a second, a third and even a forth chance. At the end I had bad experiences in almost every club. It is part of the game.
In 2013also for sure I personally experienced a clear decrease in performance and services at Oase and a strong increase of sharking attitude along the girls. This could also be caused by the decrease of customers which during the year was evident. I soent many Friday nights until September in Oase where there were by far many more girls than customers.
I will go and visit over the next couple of weeks and will discover by myself how it is.
In any event, for sure I will not spend there my Silvester night!
Alchemist7744
12-18-13, 18:56
Locals are avoiding Oase mainly due to the change in the food services department. All you have to do is read the local boards. While I was in Frankfurt, I spoke to the punters at various FKK clubs and they talked about and how if they don't change policy, they won't be back. I spoke to at least 20 regular punters and they all looked pissed off when talking about it.Not saying it is not true, but for non-locals the perspective is a bit diferent: not that I have lower standards, but since I only visit an FKK every 2-3 months, I tend to spend most of my time with girls (in rooms or in kino / lounge). If I have to spend a few more euros for diner that does not change my overal budget at al (it is token change vs. What I give the girls and the money spent on the trip / hotel). So the new set-up is largely a non-factor for me.
Now, if I started to have less god experiences with the girls (as some have reported) , then I would change.
Well, that's what makes this the tourist board, doesn't it? From al sides I only hear (and read) fairly negative comments about the developments at Oase, with the exception of a couple of people here. Kind of telling that these reports (especially the angry one by Ortos) have mainly been followed by posters confirming that regulars (seem?) to be turning away from the club. In any case, anyone is free to do what he chooses, but what the locals do is often very telling.
Alchemist7744
12-18-13, 21:33
Well, that's what makes this the tourist board, doesn't it? From al sides I only hear (and read) fairly negative comments about the developments at Oase, with the exception of a couple of people here. Kind of telling that these reports (especially the angry one by Ortos) have mainly been followed by posters confirming that regulars (seem?) to be turning away from the club. In any case, anyone is free to do what he chooses, but what the locals do is often very telling.Again I do not disagre, but "tourists" and locals do not necessarily look for the same thing.
In any case, Saturday there well many many germans (no idea if they are locals / regulars or not, but a few girls told me they were mostly regular clients) , and to be honest they many semed more interested in the buffet or in the shows around the pole than in going to the rooms. From 5 pm to 3 am there was almost no queue for the rooms, which was amazing considering the number of people (men and women) present. Not sure we can blame this on the club or on the girls.
Banana Boi
12-18-13, 23:33
Locals are avoiding Oase mainly due to the change in the food services department.Ironic since all we heard before was how shitty Oase's food was. So if Oase had the hottest girls in FRA / NRW they would still not go to Oase because of the change in food service?
Maybe I'm odd but I go to clubs for one reason only and that's to seek out the hottest girls. I don't give a crap about what food is being served.
Focussing only on the looks is also a 'tourist staple'. With some noticeable exceptions, the more often you visit clubs, the more important service levels become. I can tell you that my top 10 sessions / girls last year, has no overlap with the 10 best looking girls.
I think regulars care just as much about how the club 'acts' towards its clients, as they care about the actual food. The crappy food they had before stopped relatively few people from going to Oase (although I knew a few) ; the fact the club tries to shake you down for extra money is an insult. I never minded ordering some pizza from outside, but the current set up rubs me the wrong way. Although my main reason for not going (that much) is that I have far fewer positive room experiences than I used to.
Kirk Lazarus
12-19-13, 00:24
I was flying out of FRA early Tuesday, so decided to spend all day at Oase to save hotel costs. Knowing that Monday is not good for selection at any FKK, I chose Oase as it was suggested that this FKK would have the most selection on a Monday.
The last time that I was at Oase, they were still renovating in the summer. I guess the 5 euro increase on the cover charge from 65 to 70 euro is a renovation subsidy.
RENOVATIONS.
I like the renovations, especially the new relaxation area where there are couches and chaises to lay down without being bothered by the girls. I hope other FKKs also create these relax areas. When I was there, it was nice and quiet.
RESTAURANT.
The food set-up was less than ideal. The food itself is relatively good. I had the bolognese pasta and the calzone, which were decent. What I didn't like was that the cover charge only covered up to 10 euros of the food. Anything more, you would be charged for. As I was spending the whole day there, I didn't have the choice, but to buy extra meals. Usually at an FKK, I don't eat much as I'm there for the girls, so I don't mind the buffet all-you-can-eat style even if it means that the food is not so stellar. At least I can go into the dining room and snack on something in between sessions. Oase new restaurant set-up does not allow for such snacking, which is an issue if you are staying there for the entire day.
GIRLS.
Between 2 shifts, I'd say there are about 30 girls on Monday. Some decent girls, but no stunners. I didn't expect much on a Monday though.
My first session was with Marielle (26 year old German). She had her hair tied up in a bun and wore glasses which made her standout from the other girls who were mostly Romanian. Nice thin body with a nice full rack. She was a nurse, but is now studying make-up and hairstyling. Full GFE from Marielle with DFK, DATY, BBBJ and covered full service. 1/2 hour for 50 Euro. Marielle really got into the sex and the session was very passionate. In missionary, I made her cum (or so I was told). I would repeat.
Second session was with Margarita (Romanian. 24 years old). I'm not sure if that was her name, but that was what I heard. She had a fellow Romanian friend. A small brunette by the name of Diana. They proposed a duo, but I declined. I took Margarita instead. Just kissing on the lips, but no dfk. Nice BBBJ. Tried to upsell for CIM for the extra 50 euro. I declined at first, but then took her up on the offer as it was my last day in Germany and was under budget. Her service was kind of mechanical and she had a blank stare on her face during full service. While in missionary, I told her that she looked bored. She said sex bores her. Well, I finished CIM and was back to the relaxation area. I had fun, but would not repeat.
The last girl I saw was Julia (21 years old from Italy). I thought she looked Romanian, but she said she was from Milan. It doesn't matter what her nationality was, she had a youthful thin body small B-cups, but perky. Only kissing on the lips, but no dfk. BBBJ was decent. I did multiple positions with her and she was very accommodating. Fun romp in the sack with a 21 year old, but no repeat for me.
I didn't expect much in terms of selection on a Monday. I partly went to Oase to crash for the day before my flight, so all-in-all, a successful visit. I also visited Sharks on Sunday and Artemis on Friday and Saturday. Those reports will be in the relevant threads.
Hi all.
After all renovation, what is new setup. Whats the cost for VIP area and benefits. Sessions remain same price in both areas? Sorry I didn't go to Oase for long time.
ThanksI never got the pricing to hire one of the Oase VIP rooms from the Oase girls.
By way of comparison I recall that Mainhattan charges 25 euro to book one of their VIP rooms. I only heard that in passing and have never actually checked directly if that is the correct going rate for a Mainhattan VIP room.
As for the girls, I have heard that the girls can charge 200 euro per hour for VIP room service at Oase. That 200 euro per hour charge is meant to cover all extras which I think includes CIM and of course the usual service of DFK, DATY, BBBJ and MPOS. I am not sure if that includes anal sex though. I suppose the customer has to check with the girl. Once again this is all hearsay so I welcome if anyone else knows any better.
I'm a German client (sorry for my English) and I agree with this statement.
I was often in Oase in the last years. But now, I don't.
Sharks lineup is good too, even better, the service level in this clubs (World, Sharks) are better in my opinion.
Sharks is the new Oase, Oase is the new Palace.
Also FKK Maihattan is a good choice, too.
I only go minimal times back in Oase to see some of my favorite knowing girls.
ChatticusYour comments are similar for me too.
Right now my routine takes me to Mainhattan, World and Sharks and I will only go to Oase or Palace if I get totally bored of the other three. I will caveat that comment that smaller clubs like Atlantik, Rom, Royal and 5th Element do not feature in my program at all. This approach to club visit selection has come about since May when the Oase renovations really started kicking in. I was really turned off by the food situation but now I do not mind so much if I just come in the late evening an avoid do an all day visit that requires planning to bring food in of your own.
What has driven me more off Oase is the upselling and selling of standard services as extras like DFK or ball licking. This I have seen in the newer girls working at Oase. Even at World, I have experienced an ex Oase girl there asking for 50 euro extra for ball licking since she said it was normal for her from her experience. IN some ways I can agree that Oase is the new Palace and Sharks is the new Oase. For me though the promised lands are Mainhattan and World. I have not been so successful with my Sharks conquests regardless of the comments that I have been reading on this good forum that Sharks has a huge list of hot looking girls giving exceptional service. That has not been the case for me. I get that more at World and Mainhattan really.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
CaptCabins
12-19-13, 02:42
Have you guys ever had a girl told you she was afraid of her pimp and couldn't leave him because he knew where she stays along with her daughter and parents and she had to do this job to cover her cost to bring her to Germany? She was sold to the pimp by her boyfriend.
What can we do to help this girls?
She never ask me extra money and she only got 50 euro. After the session she cried but never ask more than what she needed. It bothered me. So anything we can do to help her?
Tell the club or police ?
Well, that's what makes this the tourist board, doesn't it? From al sides I only hear (and read) fairly negative comments about the developments at Oase, with the exception of a couple of people here. Kind of telling that these reports (especially the angry one by Ortos) have mainly been followed by posters confirming that regulars (seem?) to be turning away from the club. In any case, anyone is free to do what he chooses, but what the locals do is often very telling.Angry report? Far from it. I don't know why you charaterise my report as angry, more the truth as I see it vs a lot of Anti-Oase propaganda that has surfaced.
Look everybody has their opinion, and we may differ here and there. But I think that recently this "Oase is the new Palace" line is pure hyberbole / propaganda. Oase is NOT the new Palace by any means, and those who float this one-liner are guys who probably have not been to Oase, for a variety of reasons, for the past 2-3+months. Now, in mid-December, all clubs are a bit in decline, but a month or three weeks ago it was a different story, and I declare, as a long time Oase visitor, that the club is just as good (generally) as it always has been.
It seems clear that alot of the "piling on" against Oase has come from German ex-regulars there who have some list of complaints against Mauro for the many changes implemented. I think the whole food scene is probably at the heart of the negative rhetoric against Oase. But really, for a guy like me, who couldn't give a shit about the food situation, I care A-Z about the girls. And I found it to be business as usual on that front in November. I made multiple visits and even tried new girls. No difference from any other time. As always one must know how to play the game and how to select zimmer-partners, but if you are not completely incompetent at this selection process, one can do very nicely here now. That is how I found it, even after visiting Sharks and World for comparison. I love all the clubs for their own pluses and minuses, and that is all.
No anger.
Just because you are a German local who has a beef against this club, does not discount reality. Go and check the place out in mid-January. I think you will be happy. Don't take negatives from a few months ago and continue to paint the club with that dated brush. The guys mostly heaping negatives on Oase, have not even been to the club in the last 6-8 weeks or more.
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Look everybody has their opinion, and we may differ here and there. But I think that recently this "Oase is the new Palace" line is pure hyberbole / propaganda.
It seems clear that alot of the "piling on" against Oase has come from German ex-regulars there who have some list of complaints against Mauro for the many changes implemented. I think the whole food scene is probably at the heart of the negative rhetoric against Oase. But really, for a guy like me, who couldn't give a shit about the food situation, I care A-Z about the girls.+1 from me. Changes at the club like better food but less for your money, I don't give a shit also. Its about girls. The set of girls changes a lot, maybe a little more than before. Others that haven't been for sometime are reporting a lack of new girls. Ha Ha! Rubbish.
Look there are good girls and bad girls, its all up to wise selection. A few people picked the wrong girl and belly-ached over it. Could happen to anyone anywhere. I have picked the wrong girl a few times at Sharks. I have only really acquired one outstanding regular girl at Sharks despite trying many. Okay There are a few more girls in the great to stunning looks department for me at Sharks for my personal taste, but for outstanding performers, they exist at both places.
In my opinion, World is the one where I have had the highest success rate in terms of percentage of girls I would like to repeat and have actually repeated, but this could also be affected by not enough stunners being present.
The one factor that puts Oase clearly behind both World and Sharks, is that attempted upsell by the girls is far more likely, and many are not happy with a 50 anymore. There are still good girls with no upsell whatsoever. I think this upsell factor is the most important that makes people compare to the Palace. However while the Palace is a disaster for me, I am still happy to attend Oase. I would check if some of my preferred girls are attending though. For those that can happily ignore the upsell, there is not much wrong with Oase (given wise girl choices of course. Which applies to anywhere).
Have you guys ever had a girl told you she was afraid of her pimp and couldn't leave him because he knew where she stays along with her daughter and parents and she had to do this job to cover her cost to bring her to Germany? She was sold to the pimp by her boyfriend.
What can we do to help this girls?
She never ask me extra money and she only got 50 euro. After the session she cried but never ask more than what she needed. It bothered me. So anything we can do to help her?
Tell the club or police?Tell the police.
I also know of two real life instances where the guys have helped girls leave the FKK club literally by walking out with them. Their pimps did not know where the girl went.
YamaYama0519
12-19-13, 16:31
i went to oase for the first time on thursday, dress day. i tried pizza for dinner, as recommended in this thread. the pizza was excellent because i ate it with a naked girl! there was a shower problem, no hot shower after 10 o'clock that evening, which would give cold to girls as well as mongers. i'm wondering if the shower problem takes place so often, or just this time.
juisy? (probably, i don't remember her name correctly) is a romanian brunette girl, sitting at the end of the bar, looks like jennifer love hewitt. she came here 3 weeks ago, gfe type. in the zimmer, we had dfk. 5min-daty, normal, doggy, caw-girl and bbbj in 30- minute session. she cummed after the daty, but i didn't even after bbbj, which is very normal to me. she didn't upsell in the room, nor on the couch. probably repeat.
carla, a very famous girl here. i'm very happy to have a chance to session with her. she can tighten her vaginal opening besides being the little squeeze box. vaginal sphincter tightens vaginal opening, and it is connected to the anal sphincter in the perineum, tightening anus therefore tightens vaginal opening according a medical textbook. in the room, she came after 3min-daty, and i felt the strongest tightness in her ever in my life at doggy, almost popped. must repeat.
renate, a small, over 25 year-old, short-blonde hungarian / romania lady. on the couch she said dfk and daty were ok, but in the room she said they were for 60-min session not for 30-min. not fair, i thought, but was too late. i felt like peeing after daty, but i wasn't allowed, because once i get out of the room, that is the end of session. her bbbj was good, but my son was not in good shape, no intercourse. i gave a good massage to her (not she gave me massage) for the last 30min, which may sound strange, but quite normal to me. probably because i gave her a good time, i was able to enjoy pizza with her in the restaurant. not repeat, although i got her phone number.
diana, a romanian tall (almost 6') slim girl. at the begging she was gfe, then changed to pse especially when she cummed. must repeat.
isabella, a famous polish with long blonde. she was so busy i couldn't come across her before midnight. in the room i fingered her p*ssy for 15min to make her cum. found something in common with roxanna in sharks. must repeat.
sabrina, spanish petit blonde. 25y. on the couch she first offered a 30-min exciting session with dfk and daty for 100e instead of their 'normal' session with only bj and sex for 50e. because it was after 1 o'clock and after tough negotiation, we agreed on my 'normal' session for 50e under the condition that i would pay tip if i have a good time. in the room she offered cim, and i accepted, but i didn't pop after 15 min bbbj. i paid 50e+ 20e as tip. i'm now wondering if i should have paid extra money or not, because no cim was done.
natasha, a russian pretty blonde petit, did upsell in the lounge to me, saying 'normal' session with only bj and sex is 50e and if i'the like dfk and daty, need extra 50e. 60min for 100e doesn't include dfk and daty either. she was honest about her policy, so i'the like to try her next time.
regarding food, world and sharks are better than oase, regarding beer, only world provides free beer, regarding line-up, sharks has dina, vain but gorgeous ingrid and roxanna for syzygies, world has samantha (i've yet seen though) and our alina, oase has who? isabella? natasha? anyway i wish i could go to oase once a month and to world and sharks once a week. lol. thank you, guys, for your valuable information in this thread.
StarletVoyager
12-20-13, 01:19
So having decided on oase for Monday as to have the largest selection of girls and to let sharks warm up for Wednesday. Initial observations included the now finished restaurant and the sistine chapel rest area which I thought was truly outstanding were now added as compared to last visit to oase in July. The atmosphere definitely had a more clinical type feel as compared to what I now call the old oase. This I knew would mean I would have to dig hard to find those 3 gems. I have a simple system with regards to time in room and one I would advise newcomers to the scene to do. I have a budget allowing me 10 hours room time, (plus some extra cash for extras) , over 4 full day club visits. So basically 2 lots of 3 hours on two days and two lots of 2 hours on the other two days mixed in with cash for extras. I find the 1 hour in room with the girl leads to a far more relaxing time, where you can both explore each other unrushed, without the pressure to finish in a few minutes. the girl also knows from the outset she is getting more cash , so it works for me just be good to me and ill be good to you scenario. alternatively 20 lots of quick half hour sessions as against 10 real quality experiences wins hand down. no need to be greedy now. i scanned the lineup which i thought for a monday was pretty damn good and this is what i discovered. 1)emma-poland-natural blonde-newish to oase-20ish year old. the session involved her asking me what would be on the menu and i replied by saying lets just let it flow naturally and she looked slightly puzzled as i dont think she was use to this. anyway plenty of bbbj, lfk, spanking,(which accidentally i tried on every girl and never got asked to stop or refrain, they seemed to like the variation and psychological aspect at play here-"not too hard-ouch-count to 10!!!lol).i finished with emma in a heap on the bed after a hard pounding with her riding me on top. i followed the advice of a member here and tried a new approach which worked very well, which was-mention 1 hour once only at the start-not to mention the clock again-not to discuss what would go on in the room beforehand. and not to be too demanding in the room and to see where she would take me. i really think the girls appreciated this change and i honestly have to admit that by following this system,(and bar my visit to fkk globe in 2010), this my 13th fkk trip, and it did feel like a trip......in terms of quality in room interplay and sexual type experience this may rank as my most successful trip to fkk land ever. after a 3 hour recharge gap and rest as i was feeling tired now,(this is due to me feeling more tired than normal due to a medical condition than someone my age should, so train disruptions back home did not help.)i then found a beautiful true moldavian girl with long black beautifully flowing hair named Vika aged 24 i think. the session started with light to deep french kissing, expert bj, spanking again and here comes the highlight. at the beginning she said no fingers only outside so i obeyed. then i asked her to push a bit on my hand. a little cheeky gesture from my side. within 2 mins she was grasping my wrist, had guided my 4 fingers into her very deep, like i was on her g spot and she commenced a 20 minute hard grinding on my wrist. what blew my mind was the level of deep intimacy gained within such a short timespan, it never fails to compel me. i finished by giving her a really hard deep doggy style fucking, with her complete approval of course. every girl i went with expressed a desire for a little hard manly type treatment when i questioned them, all within playable type boundaries of course, like spank me or fuck me hard but not too hard of course along with the constant spanking that was interspersed with the room time, the trick is knowing how to keep a girl busy for an hour so she doesn't get bored and switch off. some said i was a bit unconventional and strange but all also said they were comfortable with me. the final session at 245am went to lovely curly blonde natalia from russia. i had already roomed her previously at the palace, but im not sure if she remembered. again a very nice relaxed time with lfk, doggy style sex, bbbj and believe it or not for 50 euro she offered me unlimited use of fingers in pussy and ass, and being how cute she was i jumped at the chance. at such moments the morals of paying or not for extras goes out of the window. before you knew it i was back in deep up to my knuckle!!!!lol my final thoughts are that the new oase differs from the old oase as a base of well known girls has been removed, extra food charges are irritating, and a new breed of upsellers has appeared on the scene, which means you have to dig a bit to have a really good time which is still there to be had without too much effort. to make oase the number 1 fkk club in germany just do the following-bring back all the old girls-whilst maintaining a nice in flux of new girls-restore the old oase standard 50/100 service-and finally restore the entrance fee to 65 whilst also maintaing the new level of culinary delights on offer at no extra cost. (finally i would be very grateful if all members could address me by starletvoyager and not my previous username for obvious reasons-this will save me some potential headaches which although have not happened yet may easily do so many thanks.) part 2 sharks..read on for more of voyager's escapade's......
CaptCabins
12-20-13, 02:49
So having decided on oase for Monday as to have the largest selection of girls and to let sharks warm up for Wednesday. Initial observations included the now finished restaurant and the sistine chapel rest area which I thought was truly outstanding were now added as compared to last visit to oase in July. The atmosphere definitely had a more clinical type feel as compared to what I now call the old oase. This I knew would mean I would have to dig hard to find those 3 gems.I love this report. Thanks StarletVoyager love to hear your sexcapades. I am so wanting to change my Thailand trip to Oase now LOL. God job ans awesome mate!
Indi Companion
12-20-13, 12:38
my final thoughts are that the new oase differs from the old oase as a base of well known girls has been removed, extra food charges are irritating, and a new breed of upsellers has appeared on the scene, which means you have to dig a bit to have a really good time which is still there to be had without too much effort. to make oase the number 1 fkk club in germany just do the following-bring back all the old girls-whilst maintaining a nice in flux of new girls-restore the old oase standard 50/100 service-and finally restore the entrance fee to 65 whilst also maintaing the new level of culinary delights on offer at no extra cost. (finally i would be very grateful if all members could address me by starletvoyager and not my previous username for obvious reasons-this will save me some potential headaches which although have not happened yet may easily do so many thanks.) part 2 sharks.read on for more of voyager's escapade's.Great report StarletVoyager, I think that definitely I have to return and check out Oase after a 2, 5 months break for discovering the gems hidden in the partially new lineup!
Thanks again for your report.
Hessen Bub
12-20-13, 18:49
The one factor that puts Oase clearly behind both World and Sharks, is that attempted upsell by the girls is far more likely, and many are not happy with a 50 anymore.I am German. I was an Oase regular for over a decade. I've visited the club last week. The "regular girls" are still providing good servicr at the standard pricing (DATY, DFK, BBBJ, covered sex in multiple positions). There were like 10 new girls who approached me that day and 6 or 7 of them asked me if I knew the prices. I sais yes. They said they are going to explain them to me anyway. 5 of them tried to tell me that for 50 it's "suck&fuck", if you want DFK it's going to be 100/30min. Even telling them that I've been visiting the club for 10 years didn't make them change their mind. So that's why I don't go to Oase anymore. Not the food concept (which sucks but also sucked before). I don't care about the food, why would I go to Sharks if I did? It's not about the 70, I was a regular at Palace in he good old times even when they raised the entrance to 75.
No girl ever tried to make her own prices at Sharks or World. At least not with me. So I will still visit Oase, but on a less regular basis. Lookswise line-up was good, lots of young slim girls. Just my personal opinion. If you are willing to pay higher prices. Your choice.
HB
There were like 10 new girls who approached me that day and 6 or 7 of them asked me if I knew the prices. I said yes. They said they are going to explain them to me anyway. 5 of them tried to tell me that for 50 it's "suck&fuck", if you want DFK it's going to be 100/30min. Even telling them that I've been visiting the club for 10 years didn't make them change their mind.
HBSo maybe an all-hands meeting called by Mauro can get them to change their minds? Or perhaps lose their jobs at Oase even? Come on guys, we need to stand up to this kind of bullshit! It sounds like it's getting to be far to common at Oase. Please start reporting these incidents to the management in droves to try to squash this. I mean, there's always going to be somebody who tries to get over on an unsuspecting monger, but we shouldn't allow these girls to get out of hand with this practice and drive away longtime customers in good standing. If anything, the offending girls should have to leave, and not the customer. This sort of thing has never happened to me, but if it did I swear I would not hesitate to report it. Especially if it happened like five times in a single visit! Mauro, it's time for a "sit down" with your tutes. Time to bust that syndicate!
They said they are going to explain them to me anyway. 5 of them tried to tell me that for 50 it's "suck&fuck", if you want DFK it's going to be 100/30min. Even telling them that I've been visiting the club for 10 years didn't make them change their mind. It's not about the 70, I was a regular at Palace in he good old times even when they raised the entrance to 75.
No girl ever tried to make her own prices at Sharks or World. At least not with me. So I will still visit Oase, but on a less regular basis. Lookswise line-up was good, lots of young slim girls. Just my personal opinion. If you are willing to pay higher prices. Your choice.
HBHey bub,
I wish I could have seen your face when these new little gazelles explained the "pricing".
When a girl tries this, it's sometimes fun to try and change her mind and indoctrinate some service-minded ethic into her. Speaking of the good old days at Palace, one such girl who was a wiseass when it came to charging extra for GFE (kissing is 50 extra) , blonde lovely Andra, tried that on me. I simply explained that her look drives me crazy, and when I have comfort and good service from a girl who's looks make me crazy, I tend to stay an hour or more. She immediately warmed up and we had a couple of hot 1 hour sessions including souveniers.
Looks like I've got my work cut out for me next week trying to convert these arrogant new Oase honeys. It looks like my baby is already back in the old country and won't be around for my visit so I'll have time and libido to fan out and try some of the flock. I'll be at Oase Friday if you want to help me in the reindoctrination. Maybe some spankings are in order.
Regards,
Beffen
I'll be at Oase FridayBeffen. I will be at GT on Friday, hopefully with your Dutch friend!
Best Regards,
Smuler
They said they are going to explain them to me anyway. 5 of them tried to tell me that for 50 it's "suck&fuck", if you want DFK it's going to be 100/30min.
HBIts not just new girls that are doing this, I think. I experience less problems as rarely take just 30 mins. I do understand your sentiment. It is mood killing. The Palace is a real horror, in this way. I would tell the girl "don't bother", if she wants to explain the pricing. There have been quite a number of new girls in 2013 that are not trying this upsell. Examples were Elizabeth, Amalia (now at Sharks) , Sylvia (also gone) , etc. (I am sure there were others).
My problem at Oase is just the number of favourite girls that left in the last year or so. This has caused Oase to fall behind the others for a period. I am willing to try Oase again in 2014 in case of collecting some new favourites.
Just because you are a German local who has a beef against this club, does not discount reality. Go and check the place out in mid-January. I think you will be happy. Don't take negatives from a few months ago and continue to paint the club with that dated brush. The guys mostly heaping negatives on Oase, have not even been to the club in the last 6-8 weeks or more.
OThe guy you write this to is not German but Dutch, so maybe that is the real issue.) LOL.
The one factor that puts Oase clearly behind both World and Sharks, is that attempted upsell by the girls is far more likely, and many are not happy with a 50 anymore.
I am German. I was an Oase regular for over a decade. I've visited the club last week. The "regular girls" are still providing good servicr at the standard pricing (DATY, DFK, BBBJ, covered sex in multiple positions). There were like 10 new girls who approached me that day and 6 or 7 of them asked me if I knew the prices. I sais yes. They said they are going to explain them to me anyway. 5 of them tried to tell me that for 50 it's "suck&fuck", if you want DFK it's going to be 100/30min.And this is indeed the real problem with Oase currently. Before, Mauro and its team were very strict in setting the standard service level, including DFK, OWO, DATY, etc. Since this "governance" is gone, the girls do what they can to get more money. Of course their own right, but this, together with the open kino and the impossibility to order food outside, makes it no longer THE place to visit (but still a reasonable place to go of course, but others are now better regarding standard services of the girls, extensive pre / aftesales and food possibilities).
Have you guys ever had a girl told you she was afraid of her pimp and couldn't leave him because he knew where she stays along with her daughter and parents and she had to do this job to cover her cost to bring her to Germany? She was sold to the pimp by her boyfriend.
What can we do to help this girls?
She never ask me extra money and she only got 50 euro. After the session she cried but never ask more than what she needed. It bothered me. So anything we can do to help her?
Tell the club or police?That sounds terrible. I'd check with her again to see if she wants help and if she does tell the police and help her out as best you can.
Guys I made it. Worked out the logistics including buying the train ticket from the machine with help of a police woman (none else).
Will file a detailed report in a couple if days (tired and can only type so much on my Tablet).
But overall 2 thumbs up- did not at all feel out of place at all as newbie, and great lineup (on a Tuesday- maybe it is the messe).
Tomorrow Sharks or Mainhatten!Here are some more details of my trip:
Logistics: Took S5 to Bad Homburg (S5 destination alternates to Bad Homburg and Friedrichsdorf (E 4. 25) , cab to club E16. It is somewhat far form the station in the middle of no where. If you drive better have a good GPS. Reached about 6:15 PM Tuesday. 70E entrance.
Initially not too many girls but still more than a couple of dozen and not many customers, as evening progressed girls increased customers too. But I would estimate girls out numbered customers at least 2:1. Girls 7-9+, most are Romanian (90%).
Sorry for filing the report late (forgetting girl names. Should have kept notes)
Girl 1: Tall Romanian Diana. 5'10"++. Looks 9+ service 10. Great time 1 hour. Will do again yes of course.
Girl 2: Petite Romanian 5'1". Looks 7, service 9. 30 mins.
Girl 3: Marisol Romanian 5'3". Looks 9 service 10. 30 mins. Great time. Very soft spoken and nice girl. Will do again yes of course.
Girls 4: 2 Bulgarian girls (Eva Evalina or some such). Looks 8 service 5. Somehow convinced me into this 3 some. Was getting late and tied and was wanting to catch the train. Bad experience. 3 some does Not mean lesbian show. Watch out for the duo.
Food- Had Pizza- Pretty good, coffee etc are pretty good too. Talk about food quality deteriorating etc may have been the case. But it quite passable. (Did not not come here for the food)
Overall- Ambiance was great, girl quality and quantity great. Upsell / Sharks- Little bit- But not too annoying. All the talk about all this is way overstated. Girls are simply doing their job (it is not the easiest job in the world). One of the girls told me- per club training / rules- they are required to state all the upsell options to all customers.
Great place, so all the comparisons and fine detailed analysis of different clubs- somewhat not too important. Plenty of very good girls, plenty of variety, very reasonable prices, safe comfortable- wholesome experience.
Left club 11:45, took cab and and the 00:15 from bad Homburg, landed back hotel 1:0- Done.
(The other club I visited was Mainhatten. I would 'overall' rank Mainhatten slightly higher. Will provide detailed comparison).
Have you guys ever had a girl told you she was afraid of her pimp and couldn't leave him because he knew where she stays along with her daughter and parents and she had to do this job to cover her cost to bring her to Germany? She was sold to the pimp by her boyfriend.
What can we do to help this girls?
She never ask me extra money and she only got 50 euro. After the session she cried but never ask more than what she needed. It bothered me. So anything we can do to help her?
Tell the club or police?Girls at the club told me they are totally on their own. They keep all the money. They pay the club 70E entrance like other customers, some girls also stay at the club for 15E daily cost.
Pimping is illegal, was having a casual chat with some German guy at the club, he was telling next year onwards some new laws are coming in place- that would further enforce anti-pimping and that kind of stuff.
Sounds like this girl has a bad arrangement- bad boy friend, bad pimp- not at all an unheard situation. I don't know what the club or the police would do, police can take action- If it is part of their priority, sometimes evidence etc is hard to come by.
Hessen Bub
12-21-13, 18:49
So you rate 3 out of your 4 sessions a 9 or 10 out of 10. What is good service for you? Did all the girls kiss (DFK)? DATY and BBBJ included? Did the sessions last the full 30 or 60min? Did you pay the standard price? Any upsell attempts? Thanks.
HB
So you rate 3 out of your 4 sessions a 9 or 10 out of 10. What is good service for you? Did all the girls kiss (DFK)? DATY and BBBJ included? Did the sessions last the full 30 or 60min? Did you pay the standard price? Any upsell attempts? Thanks.
HBYes to All, included everything in standard price (50E). Of course extra 30 min time is 50E, anal was 100E extra (no one was negotiating the price).
PussyLiccker
12-21-13, 19:19
One of the girls told me- per club training / rules- they are required to state all the upsell options to all customers.Sounds like up-sell is being encouraged by having girls state what they offer for extras. Maybe the management thinks if the girl is upfront about what she charges for extras, there would be no conflicts. That could mean that girls can choose kissing as an extra and let the client know that they charge extra for kissing, and that could be the reason for below.
What I want to know is, has anyone witnessed girls kissing outside the room? Like in the Kino, and etc. Do you guys see kissing going on in the Kino?
There were like 10 new girls who approached me that day and 6 or 7 of them asked me if I knew the prices. I sais yes. They said they are going to explain them to me anyway. 5 of them tried to tell me that for 50 it's "suck&fuck", if you want DFK it's going to be 100/30min.
PussyLiccker
12-21-13, 20:04
The thing about this club is, I always went for the new girls and most of them provided DFK was more open to doing more for 50 euros. That's why I usually went for the new girls at Oase. Every time I would see a new pretty new girl, I would get so excited because I knew at Oase, the new girls would provide good services.
HB has witnessed 5 new girls offering kissing as extra. That's a huge no no for me. This of course is not the only reason for me. The food situation I can put up with as I don't like to stay there from opening to closing like I used to as a newbie back then. Last few trips, I saved a day for Oase, but it has disappointed me in terms of good looking new talent, and combine that with the Palace like up-selling of the new girls, I can forget about this place for now.
What I want to know is, has anyone witnessed girls kissing outside the room? Like in the Kino, and etc. Do you guys see kissing going on in the Kino?Kissing in the kino? LOL. How about blowjobs, threesomes, screwing, naked lap dances. All the time. Sometimes by two girls on one guy.
UltraHappy
12-21-13, 20:55
Girls at the club told me they are totally on their own. They keep all the money. They pay the club 70E entrance like other customers, some girls also stay at the club for 15E daily cost.
Pimping is illegal, was having a casual chat with some German guy at the club, he was telling next year onwards some new laws are coming in place- that would further enforce anti-pimping and that kind of stuff.
Sounds like this girl has a bad arrangement- bad boy friend, bad pimp- not at all an unheard situation. I don't know what the club or the police would do, police can take action- If it is part of their priority, sometimes evidence etc is hard to come by.Yes, yes, that is exactly what all the girls will tell you. That they don't have a "boyfriend." This is written in their FKK-handbook,"How to be a good Tute." You can rest assured that if a girl has a boyfriend that she won't tell you because the girls know that the customers want to hear that the girl is single. Yes, I know there are exceptions to this.
Yes, pimping is illegal, but how is a little village girl going to get set up in the fkk without any help? First, she doesn't speak the language. So, figuring out all of the German bureaucracy to get properly registered with the proper papers is an impossible task. Most clubs won't accept Romanian girls without papers (although some do). Before she can get officially registered, she needs a real address where she lives in Germany. She doesn't have any money and even if she did have enough money to rent a proper apartment, no landlord is going to rent to her because she doesn't have a "real job." So, the system is set up in such a way that the girl needs a helpful "boyfriend" to get started. In return, the "boyfriends" demand a certain return on their investment.
Yes, the girl could go to the police. But she won't because either she is blinded by love with her helpful "boyfriend" and doesn't understand the situation she is really in or (1) she is afraid of her "boyfriend," (2) she is afraid that her "boyfriend" will follow through on his threat to tell the girl's parents that their daughter is working as a wh*0re, and (3) she is afraid that the "boyfriend" will follow through on his threats to hurt her little sister / parents / whoever back home if the girl doesn't hold up her end of the bargain.
So, in the end, the girl either doesn't realize that she's being worked by a pimp or she often feels like she has no choice in the matter because of the situation she has fallen into.
Yes, there are independents out there. But they are the minority. I know some girls who paid 3000 Euros to an experienced girl in exchange for the experienced girl setting up the new girl. But unfortunately, those situations are the minority. It would seem that most girls fall into the "being pimped" category, despite what newcomers are told in the club.
I did not want to believe this either but my longtime fkk-wives and girls I know who are no longer in the business confirm that this seems to be the case. Also, in many of these situations, it is often difficult to distinguish between whether the pimp is indeed a "boyfriend" or truly a pimp. What is the difference between these two if both are living off of the earnings of the working girl?
Now please forget all of this and put it out of your head because it is a real downer and go enjoy yourself!
UltraHappy
12-21-13, 21:04
What I want to know is, has anyone witnessed girls kissing outside the room? Like in the Kino, and etc. Do you guys see kissing going on in the Kino?
Kissing in the kino? LOL. How about blowjobs, threesomes, screwing, naked lap dances. All the time. Sometimes by two girls on one guy.To be fair to PL, blow jobs are a lot more common in the kino than kissing. Almost all girls will do BJs in the kino but not all girls DFK (whether in the kino or not). I've been fairly lucky with kissing but I occasionally run across girls who won't kiss (whether in the kino or not).
Lately, kissing is less of a requirement for me and I usually reserve kissing for my favorite, favorites.
But yeah PL, plenty of girls will smooch you in the kino at Oase but certainly not all. Before the kino wall came down, the Oase kino had a lot more public recreational activities. These activities still occur without the previous kino wall between the kino and the main lounge, just not with the frequency as before. For one, there's a lot less fucking in the kino now that the wall has fallen. Sad really.
Hessen Bub
12-21-13, 21:21
Girls don't go to the police because they are thinking police here in Germany is as corrupt and involved in the business as in Romania or Bulgaria. They don't realize that authorities here can and will help them, that most of the threats agianst them or the family will never be taken into action.
HB
PussyLiccker
12-21-13, 21:43
LOL. We're back at this pimp talk again. I wonder if there ever will be a formal agency setup in Germany for girls to work in German Clubs. This would be a solution to reduce trafficking and the pimp presence in the business so that girls can be more independent. Not sure what percentage of girls has a bf or husband at home they are supporting.
Although illegal activity is rampant in this industry because it is hard to formalize legal method of bringing girls in, but it can be reduced with an agency and could be a profitable business that would suppress pimping. This business would have to invest in the girls, charge a service fee for setting them up to work in Germany or any other countries. Yes, these girls will not have money to start out especially from Romania or Bulgaria, so this agency would have to "invest." Thinking of a solution to investing on these girls and making sure they pay back with some profitable portion is difficult without the use of threats that pimps resort to(I realize why pimps have to know where the girls are at all times and threaten them).
All in all, the girls working in these clubs work because of situations. We are getting our 50e sessions because of this. We can talk all we want about helping these girls out, but in the end we are pretty much contributing to this business. Without a girls in such a situation, you will not have a girl in a club motivated to work so many hours and providing the best possible service for all these nasty hairy fat old men.
What I wonder is, if a girl is independent, how would her service be? Most of the good looking girls that offer good services, is it because of pressure by their pimp? If that is so, then pimping is a benefit to us, although I hope that is not the case. Although ideally I would like to think these girls like sex so they can go with 20 men in the room and provide the best service, but I highly doubt that. Drug use is quite plausable with these girls as to keep their energy level up, and pressure from pimps would push these girls use of drugs so that they can make as much money as possible. Not that this is the only motivation for girls to work hard, Mr. Ho mentioned Porches, and I've heard girls buying 10k euro bags, and etc..
Hessen Bub
12-21-13, 22:30
Such an agency will not eliminate pimps. It is not that a girl who wants to work in a club indepently does need a pimp to find her way to the club and solve the paper work (which is minimal). It is the pimps who find girls in the rural areas of the poor European countries and force them to work here, an agency wouldn't change that.
You can't tell by the service if the girl is independent or not. Independent girls can give good or lousy service, same for pimped girls. I've seen both, my favorite girls in the last 10 years habe been a mix of independent and pimped girls.
HB
Although illegal activity is rampant in this industry because it is hard to formalize legal method of bringing girls in, but it can be reduced with an agency and could be a profitable business that would suppress pimping. This business would have to invest in the girls, charge a service fee for setting them up to work in Germany or any other countries. Yes, these girls will not have money to start out especially from Romania or Bulgaria, so this agency would have to "invest." Thinking of a solution to investing on these girls and making sure they pay back with some profitable portion is difficult without the use of threats that pimps resort to(I realize why pimps have to know where the girls are at all times and threaten them).So, how is this really all that different from the main kind of "pimping" being discussed here? I mean, it comes across as nothing more than a kind of "state-sponsored pimping" to me. I think we need to break this down a bit more though. Now, if somebody invests money in somebody elses' career by securing them passage from Romania to Germany, handling their immigration paperwork, obtaining a place for them to live, providing transportation to and from the club, etc, then why should that "investor" not expect some fair return on their money? That's only business and the way the real world works, and in principal I don't see anything wrong with that be it a state "agency" or an independent "boyfriend".
To my mind, that's a straight up business arrangement and not the kind of thing I think of and abhor when I think about what it means to be the prototypical pimp. You would have to go beyond making something on the money that you invested into things like coercion, physical and mental abuse, threats, demanding an unreasonable return that can never be met, etc. And this is why I have to conclude that your idea of having a state-sponsored agency handle the arrangements versus "boyfriends" would be better (thus answering my own question) , because I think it would be easier to prevent some of the bad outcomes (although there is such a thing as corrupt officials too!). And still, if having a "boyfriend" handle the arrangements makes him a "pimp", then I must conclude that having a state-sponsored agency do the same thing also makes the state a "pimp" as well then. Although, hopefully a kinder and gentler pimp!
But let us all remember that these girls are not all a bunch of naive, trafficked victims! So many have gone before them that they know exactly what they are getting into and what they are doing! And at times, many of them want to "welch" on the arrangement they made and not be held accountable for paying out on the investment that was made in them. They do that to their "boyfriends". And, they will do it to the state too! Find some way or excuse not to hold up their part of the deal. And when that happens, what is the state to do then? Throw them in jail? Sue them? Deport all of those "poor victims" that the state is now "pimping" by expecting a return on investment? And what say ye the taxpayers whose money goes to standing up and supporting this agency supposedly to act on behalf of these mostly foreign prostitutes? Clearly, any such state-sponsored approach would face certain difficult legal and moral dilemmas too.
There is no easy answer. That's why I mainly focus on doing what UltraHappy urges, which is to just go and enjoy myself! But one last thought. If pimping is illegal, and if what these "boyfriends" are doing may be described as "pimping", then why isn't anybody in some official capacity asking any questions of them about who they are and what their relationships to the girls are when these "boyfriends" are handling paperwork and arranging housing and such for this girl and that girl and the other? If they are engaging in illegality, then it seems to me that they should be easily identifiable and apprehended. Just a question.
The guy you write this to is not German but Dutch, so maybe that is the real issue.) LOL.LOL!
Sorry, mate, but: I did not write the post you refer to, nor the specific line you quoted, as directed at any one individual. Just a general statement that many former Regular German guests (I. E."Stammgaeste") at Oase seem to have a particular "beef" or "agenda" against the club / Mauro and are "overstating" the decline of the club both in terms of line-up quality and the up-sell factor, which does exist as it does in any major club.
If you mean to point out that FreeDude is Dutch, not German, you need not do that because he himself tends to declare that he is from the NL in frequent posts, so this is well known. Or perhaps you mean somebody else? Like yourself? In the end: Macht niets! It was a general statement, not directed at any one person.
StarletVoyager
12-22-13, 03:37
If someone could bring back the 'old oase' girls with the in room 50/100 all inclusive service standard and the new hardware together oase would be number 1 in europe. Assuming the steaks are included in the old 65 euro entrance. just make me manager for 1 month, i would get those little tutes back into tip top condition, and teach them the a-z. lol. it almost reminds me of oliver where i would take the role of artful dodger and the rumanian tutes, the helpless; unaware of their unlawful activities lol!!
CaptCabins
12-22-13, 11:35
Lately, kissing is less of a requirement for me and I usually reserve kissing for my favorite, favorites.Can you share us this favourites that does kissing?
PussyLiccker
12-22-13, 15:10
Oase is getting bad rep on the forums and the German regulars? What percentage of customers are they? What percentage of the old girls left the club? Are there any changes in the number of girls that show up recently? Higher, lower?
Such an agency will not eliminate pimps. It is not that a girl who wants to work in a club indepently does need a pimp to find her way to the club and solve the paper work (which is minimal). It is the pimps who find girls in the rural areas of the poor European countries and force them to work here, an agency wouldn't change that.
yes, I agree. This brings up a question about what percentage of girls are coerced or convinced to do this by a loverboy. German girls I've met seems independent.. Romanian girls claim that their friend or cousins tell them that money can be made in Germany or other places, and that's how they find out about it.. A WG told me that there are naive girls that buys men gifts, and it sounds like they got into the business becuase of this, and it sounds like a significant portion of them that does this. So it sounds like we are benefiting from a loverboy coercing girls into these clubs.
Anyway, sorry to keep diverging. All in all, we go there to enjoy, but yeah, there are things going on in the background that's not pleasant to think about.
Hessen Bub
12-22-13, 15:37
German girls I've met seems independent. .I've seen a lot (and I mean a lot) of German girs with pimps, heavily tattooed boyfriends and husbands. I wouldn't vouch for German girls being more independent than other nationalities.
HB
German punters make up around 40% of an FKK clientele during non Mesee periods. The rest is us, lots of Americans, italians, many arab and asian nationalities whom always seem to be there in large numbers.
Oase is getting bad rep on the forums and the German regulars? What percentage of customers are they? What percentage of the old girls left the club? Are there any changes in the number of girls that show up recently? Higher, lower?
Does anyone really believe that Lucia is pimped or forced? Louisa? Maria / Jessica?
Please, let's not overstate the pimp problem.
What I'm more interested in is the supposed new agreement between the major political parties in Germany to ban flat rate sex. The article I read was poorly written so I do not know exactly what it is that they want to ban.
Does anyone really believe that Lucia is pimped or forced? Louisa? Maria / Jessica?Lucia: No.
Louisa: Definitely.
Please, let's not overstate the pimp problem.It's there and if you can't handle it's your problem only. Moroccan loverboys is a real problem in Amsterdam. What the relation between the pimps and the girls in FKK clubs is I don't know for sure but I do have some ideas.
BTW, I have been told by girls about Romanian quotas and similar things that indicate a girl can't just show up at the door of a club. Of course all of it probably not true or taken out of context but still. I believe it's enough truth in it to believe there must be some people working to arrange the transfers. Whether they are called boyfriends, pimps or brokers is likely a neverending debate.
Gentlemen,
I have no problem with the discussion of pimps and prostitution. However as this is not a particular problem related to FKK Oase or any one FKK / Sauna Club in particular, I suggest that this subject should be taken to the Lounge and Chat Area or even the General Info Section.
Gentlemen, I have no problem with the discussion of pimps and prostitution. However as this is not a particular problem related to FKK Oase or any one FKK / Sauna Club in particular, I suggest that this subject should be taken to the Lounge and Chat Area or even the General Info Section.Absolutely agree. Take it somewhere else.
I don't know much about this topic but it is obviously difficult for girls to find accommodation. They can't easily say we want to rent this house for an unknown period and we are hookers working at Oase. Lavinia mentioned that it was much easier to rent a house in Giessen. Local to Oase she would have to pretend to be the girlfriend of some wealthy guy.
Lavinia says that there are always guys offering to help arrange accommodation, but she had to be very careful not to get caught up with some guy wanting to collect a tax, and therefore had to decline many offers of assistance. Who can be trusted? Similarly girls not staying at Oase may need to organize transport. Some of them may live in Giessen.
In the end it's difficult for girls to be totally independent but not impossible. I suppose any guys transporting girls will be labelled as pimps no matter if the financial arrangements are very fair or not. Any BF may also be labelled a pimp.
I was once the 2nd Bf of an fkk girl. Was I a pimp? Of course not even if was trying to assist her at times. In the end she escaped from her No. 1. Bf who would have labelled a pimp by many, she claimed not exactly a pimp. He was a bikie but was employed.
I think it is slightly inappropriate, to say the least, to mention such things (or any private details, for that matter) here in combination with the name of a girl.
But maybe it is just me.
Solo Traveler
12-25-13, 10:23
Solo Traveler,
I forgot to mention this, when you get into the room and she say some BS like 50e for BJ only, get the hell out. No need to go through with the session as at that point the session is pretty much dead. Why suffer through a bad session, and kill your mood? I have walked out on girls that started to up-sell in the room. Also, don't be afraid to report her to the front desk as you are doing a favor to other punters for taking such actions. If you give into to these girls, they will keep trying with the hustle.First, thanks for all the replies and advice after my disastrous experience.
I am now reviewing all the replies and advice, and I find another question here.
I have walked out on girls that started to up-sell in the room.When is the deadline for a customer to cancel a deal without paying?
I mean, you meet a girl who seems to be nice outside the room, but after you get into the room, she starts to upsell (e. G, asking for the 1-hour commitment) or explain her own rules (e. G, telling you that kissing is extra or anything which you think is unreasonable) with a attitude which makes you feel uncomfortable and annoyed.
Anyway, you suddenly have a feeling that you pick the wrong girl and you do not want to be with her anymore.
On the premise that she hasn't sucked or touched your dick yet, can you always cancel the deal and get out of the room without paying?
Will you be asked to pay for wasting her time or anything?
And yes, if I ever meet a wrong girl or get involved in a controversial situation again, I will definitely go to the front desk to ask for help and report anything which I think is unreasonable.
Banana Boi
12-25-13, 18:57
When is the deadline for a customer to cancel a deal without paying?This is going to depend on the club, the girl (is she known to the club as a girl with complaints? is she a regular girl? is she liked by the club?) , and to some extent if you are someone the theke recognizes / likes.
I think the general consensus is that once the girl has started BJ or FS you are committed. DFK may also be included in that category. The variance is whether the club makes you pay the full session fee, possibly half the session fee, or none of it scolding the girl after behind closed doors. You will be hard pressed to get away with not paying in full if FS has started. As for time, it's likely fair that if you were in the room for more than 10-15 minutes you're going to end up paying something.
I think the general consensus is that once the girl has started BJ or FS you are committed. DFK may also be included in that category.I agree that once any form of sex has started, you have started a session, whether normal sex, oral sex, digital penetration, etc. I have never tried to pay only a portion of a session fee.
I have once put a light kiss on the pussy of a girl in the main area as a hello or goodbye, but this was a girl I know well. I would not try to DFK a girl without proceeding to a session but perhaps others would.
I can see girls getting desperate if the business is lowJust a short comment, don't want to clutter Oase's thread but I've found most of the scam artists 'seem' to work dayshift. At least that's what I've seen. These girls know the guys will quit looking at them as soon as the better lookers start showing up for nightshift. And they can spot a rookie a mile away. I've always had my best sessions when there's alot of competition and the girls haven't made as much as they were hoping.
Just a short comment, don't want to clutter Oase's thread but I've found most of the scam artists 'seem' to work dayshift. At least that's what I've seen. These girls know the guys will quit looking at them as soon as the better lookers start showing up for nightshift. And they can spot a rookie a mile away. I've always had my best sessions when there's alot of competition and the girls haven't made as much as they were hoping.Yes and no. The very best girls in the club may also decide to work day shift particularly to avoid wait for rooms as they may be very heavily booked.
I think it is slightly inappropriate, to say the least, to mention such things (or any private details, for that matter) here in combination with the name of a girl.
But maybe it is just me.The way Lavinia talks, it becomes evident she has no pimp and is very very careful to avoid obtaining one. She can go on holidays any time she wants and any country. I don't see that naming her is doing any harm. She was not upset about me or others writing about her on the forum previously. She is aware her publicity is positive and almost all good. There are many other girls where I have no clue.
In my other example, the girl who was my part time GF could not be named, even though has now retired.
Yes and no. The very best girls in the club may also decide to work day shift particularly to avoid wait for rooms as they may be very heavily booked.Several girls at Oase have individually told me: They prefer to work the dayshift, coming to Work before 11. 00 in order to: A) have the option to leave the club / stop working whenever they wish after 22. 00; and B) to avoid the scores of rowdy / drunk / agressive packs of ("Turkish) men that tend to characterise the customer profile late at night / early morning.
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