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Based on upsell, rip-off-artists percentage per capita, I'd rank from worst to safest in following order:
Palace.
Oase / Mainhattan.
Sharks.
World.
General rule: girls get bolder in the tourist clubs (that are generally closer to the city). I'd say Palace (Frankfurt), Paradise (Stuttgart), Dolce Vita (Dusseldorf) are the sharkiest three in their respective areas.Never been to world, how are line up there comparison to Oase, are LU pretty? Many German girls? Or it is all Ro?
Never been to world, how are line up there comparison to Oase, are LU pretty? Many German girls? Or it is all Ro?If you don't like Romanian girls, don t go to FKK. 90% Romanians in FRA, at World, Sharks, Mainhattan and I think same at Oase. You have some Germans as fat Pia and Kati, Hungarians at Sharks. Go to GT Bruggen if You only want Germans and if You are not dark skin. Even at Globe Zurich which is higher level than German FKK, most are Romanian, even at Aphrodisia in Zurich center, for 280 CHF, girls are Romanian.
FKK are Romanian villages and I m happy to see prettier and sweeter girls than most of Germans, there.
Based on upsell, rip-off-artists percentage per capita, I'd rank from worst to safest in following order:
Palace.
Oase / Mainhattan.
Sharks.
World.
General rule: girls get bolder in the tourist clubs (that are generally closer to the city). I'd say Palace (Frankfurt), Paradise (Stuttgart), Dolce Vita (Dusseldorf) are the sharkiest three in their respective areas.Not a very regular, but no upsell for me at Mainhattan with Suzi. Cz, my jolie Sara, Sofia, only Jasmin tried and stayed sitting. Not more than at World or Sharks.
Based on upsell, rip-off-artists percentage per capita, I'd rank from worst to safest in following order:
Palace.
Oase / Mainhattan.
Sharks.
World.
Looks about right to me. Oase always had more upsell girls than Sharks (at least since 2008 when I started attending Oase a bit more often) and there was a lot less at World. Still the odd girl asking for a Champangne or bubbly. LOL
For aggressive girls approaching it is a bit different and highly dependent on individual aggressive girls, even some aggressive girls experienced at World since my very first visit, but Palace and Mainhatten were where I got hassled by the highest number of girls in the lounge area. More difficult to relax in these circumstances. Sharks has the advantage of being so spacious. Some clubs have relax rooms, which can be handy. I used the relax room a lot at Palace, but even there, girls would come and bother me (a few years back).
The main method to avoid upsell, is to take regular girls, so that they know what you want already most likely.
(a few years back).As you say a few years back. It would be more useful to get actual Intel.
Like people are saying here in terms of Upselling World is still the lowest. I wonder when compared to Sharks in Line Up how does World fair? How is the Line Up of Girls in World when compared to say Sharks or OASE?
UltraHappy
08-19-16, 12:46
As you say a few years back. It would be more useful to get actual Intel.If "actual intel" would be more useful, why bother cluttering up this thread with non-useful criticisms? (admittedly, like I am now). If you don't want to be bothered reading Syz's posts, you can just add Syz to your ignore list (instead of criticizing the content of his contributions).
I normally wouldn't bother cluttering up the Oase thread with this sort of post, but it just struck me as really odd that someone would criticize Syz in this way when he does post plenty of useful "actual intel," namely his attendance lists which many find immensely useful (among other useful tidbits from time to time).
Like people are saying here in terms of Upselling World is still the lowest. I wonder when compared to Sharks in Line Up how does World fair? How is the Line Up of Girls in World when compared to say Sharks or OASE?But how are the LU there at world? Young and beautiful or silicone with full of tattoo and aged?
PussyLiccker
08-19-16, 14:39
First of all, it is correct that Syz's post is no Intel. He's talking about a visit years ago which is pointless.
For some reason Craiova is fixated on Manhattan like Ortos is fixated on Oase. Both get very defensive about opinions against their clubs, which is obvious. When I look for perspective on those clubs, they would be at the bottom of the list to be trustable.
Do I think service level and upselling level at Oases is similar to years ago? No. Level of upselling has gotten much higher than what it used to be. Pretty much closer to on part with Palace now.
Also, I disagree with Syz opinion about Manhattan 3 years ago. It was a better club back then. Besides LU lists, Syz opinions aren't worth a dime. There are members I take more serious when it comes to opinions. People that has been to more clubs and up to date has more perspective than those only experiences 1 or 2.
So Sorry for the silly question, but is it cold to use the pool / outdoor area in during the last week of September?
But how are the LU there at world? Young and beautiful or silicone with full of tattoo and aged?I have heard there are more natural blonde girls (German Girls) in World then any of the big four Frankfurt FKK's.
Not a very regular, but no upsell for me at Mainhattan with Suzi. Cz, my jolie Sara, Sofia, only Jasmin tried and stayed sitting. Not more than at World or Sharks.World, Sharks, Palace positions were clear and easy for me to rank. At first, I was going to put Mainhattan ahead of Oase. Finally, I decided on writing that they were at the same level of sharkiness. With Mainhattan, the money locker is near reception. I think girls are less likely to cause trouble.
ExpatLover
08-20-16, 00:27
Never been to world, how are line up there comparison to Oase, are LU pretty? Many German girls? Or it is all Ro?LU quality is a matter of taste, World has usually less girls than Shark or Oase but the atmosphere is different, during summer the outside garden is just great and for me at least the girl are not as aggressive as in other places.
I have heard there are more natural blonde girls (German Girls) in World then any of the big four Frankfurt FKK's.Hmmm if LU there are more younger Germans, then I want to go there, but I also heard a lot of silicone and tattoo girls there. But less upsell there is good thing.
Der Auslander
08-20-16, 02:40
For some reason Craiova is fixated on Manhattan like Ortos is fixated on Oase... When I look for perspective on those clubs, they would be at the bottom of the list to be trustable.
Syz opinions aren't worth a dime. There are members I take more serious when it comes to opinions. :rolleyes:
Frankly these frequent jealous attacks against Senior Members are becoming tiresome and are doing very little for whatever credibility you have on this Board. The guys that you criticize have contributed much to this forum and express their opinions in a literate and logical manner, in good English and without colloquialism. At no time do they demand that their opinion be taken as gospel or the last word on any matter. They offer their opinions based on vast experience of FKK and Sauna clubs in Germany. Some have decided to remain loyal to particular clubs and that is their right and their truth and it is up to the membership to agree or disagree. If I were you, I would concentrate on your own reports and contributions to this Board and refrain from petty attacks on Senior Members who have contributed much down through many years. I wish you well and I wish you a little piece of common sense about these matters.
So Sorry for the silly question, but is it cold to use the pool / outdoor area in during the last week of September?I would say bit cold to swim for long time in last week of September, can be done.
But Sauna is kinda outside of main building at Oase, so after sauna, take quick hot shower to wipe off sweat then while your body is still hot jump into swimming pool that is just 25 seconds walking distance from sauna, that maybe nice swim for 5 min or so.
German summer is not that hot beside end of July to August month being the hottest with my experience. Last August was crazy hot in Frankfurt, but that summer was unusually hot summer like summers for recent years actually.
I have heard there are more natural blonde girls (German Girls) in World then any of the big four Frankfurt FKK's.Did you see these blond German girls? I never saw them for my many visits at World on June and July. Amira was blond, but Romanian.
Blond angel Sandra. De at Sharks. Blond Lena. De?
First of all, it is correct that Syz's post is no Intel. He's talking about a visit years ago which is pointless.
For some reason Craiova is fixated on Manhattan like Ortos is fixated on Oase. Both get very defensive about opinions against their clubs, which is obvious. When I look for perspective on those clubs, they would be at the bottom of the list to be trustable.
Do I think service level and upselling level at Oases is similar to years ago? No. Level of upselling has gotten much higher than what it used to be. Pretty much closer to on part with Palace now.
Also, I disagree with Syz opinion about Manhattan 3 years ago. It was a better club back then. Besides LU lists, Syz opinions aren't worth a dime. There are members I take more serious when it comes to opinions. People that has been to more clubs and up to date has more perspective than those only experiences 1 or 2.Because you are for me, even I don't know you, one of the most interesting and reliable about your writings about girls. I'm not interested to read posts: I fucked her in all her holes. So, you don't need to play this game, Yes Craiova enjoys Mainhattan, yes Syzy enjoys Oase, as You like GT, and as I would follow my girls in any club, even much more expensive. Each one his tastes and subjective opinions and experiences. So many little poor jealous guys on this forum, like on french language forum, so, just keep on writing your interesting posts about your girls met.
To Mac, also no upsell in room for me at Mainhattan, for me Mainhattan, World and Sharks are same level for girls behavior and services, I may not have the face to be upsell? My only problem at Mainhattan, is to find pretty girls.
I agree with Syzy abut how work many girls at Oase: Roxana, Suginella, Elisabet. Hu, for my last experiences. If you have 1 hour room, which is my standard to have enough time to take all my time to play and enjoy a girl, then you can have decent room, even they will ask you: do you want to finish in my mouth? To get fast 50 more. My problem at Oase is to find girls who have a real woman behavior, like Kate, or Madi World. But I don't forget how I loved sexy Maria Platinum on July 2014 , and my 2 exceptional GF, Ina. Lat and Tatiana. Ru, with more than 1 hour spent only to DFK, caressing and foreplaying with Tatiana, before starting BJ and sex, on this day, I decided: no limit for time. I also miss my 2 holes in the garden, even I found my pink teddy bear ball, to play now at Sharks.
Hessen Bub
08-20-16, 13:18
I have heard there are more natural blonde girls (German Girls) in World then any of the big four Frankfurt FKK's.Who told you? Right now I think there is ONE German milfy type girl at World.
HB.
Hessen Bub
08-20-16, 13:21
Hmm when I compare same optic and same best service level I can't see any significant difference between these clubs.You've been proclaiming that over and over againg. And I can just repeat over and over again: For a 50 EUR standard session for a non-regular McAdonis' ranking is spot on.
HB.
Who told you? Right now I think there is ONE German milfy type girl at World.
HB.Had heard that from a Taxi Driver in Frankfurt. Not just one but two. I know the information source is not very trustable but since two taxi driver said so, thought might be the case.
:rolleyes:
Frankly these frequent jealous attacks against Senior Members are becoming tiresome and are doing very little for whatever credibility you have on this Board. The guys that you criticize have contributed much to this forum and express their opinions in a literate and logical manner, in good English and without colloquialism. At no time do they demand that their opinion be taken as gospel or the last word on any matter. They offer their opinions based on vast experience of FKK and Sauna clubs in Germany. Some have decided to remain loyal to particular clubs and that is their right and their truth and it is up to the membership to agree or disagree. If I were you, I would concentrate on your own reports and contributions to this Board and refrain from petty attacks on Senior Members who have contributed much down through many years. I wish you well and I wish you a little piece of common sense about these matters.Totally agree. It seems that to bother writing an intelligible report describing one's subjective experiences is tantamount to inviting a dissing and verbal abuse.
Had heard that from a Taxi Driver in Frankfurt. Not just one but two. I know the information source is not very trustable but since two taxi driver said so, thought might be the case.If you want blonde Germans do not go to World. Sorry to disappoint.
Totally agree. It seems that to bother writing an intelligible report describing one's subjective experiences is tantamount to inviting a dissing and verbal abuse.I also completely agree that, because of only one or two prominent "board pests," but esp one particular Trump-like poster (whose only motivation seems to be to hurl ignorant insults at people who are just trying to uphold the good standards and traditions of this board), it has become really problematic to make helpful reports or other comments these days. And most of what is hurled at us is complete nonsense and has no basis in fact. For example, he made the ignorant comment and accusation that none of my reports contain names of girls. Wtf? I believe EVERY single report I've ever made contains lots of details about whom I write, not least of which are the names.
In his most recent "waste of bandwidth" I was accused of being "fixated" on Oase. Again, not fact at all, although how on earth he (or anybody else here) would know what or what not I am fixated on is a mystery, since his only knowledge of me is from warped interpretations of what I post here. I have to laugh at this, almost like he's a school child bully in 5th grade (sound like Trump?) making challenges about matters he knows nothing. Funny he should proclaim I'm obsessed with Oase when: During my most recent trip to Frankfurt over the month of June, I made 18 visits to FKK clubs sticking to Sharks and Oase. I visited Sharks twelve times (I bought and used 2 x 355 visit cards) and Oase six times (1 x 240 visit cards).
So in the end, it is best to go with the age-old wisdom: Just ignore the Troll. In the absence of any type of active board moderation here, what else can one due.
I would just add that I had started writing extensive reports about my many visits to Sharks, but I lost appetite to write these when I (and others) get attacked for no good reason. Too bad there can be no control here, because one wonders how many other good reports and posts we are / will miss due to this pest pissing in our pool.
Just my opinion. I never insist anybody agree with everything I write, just to act respectful when expressing a divergent opinion.
Go get'them Auslander! .
ExpatLover
08-20-16, 15:49
I have heard there are more natural blonde girls (German Girls) in World then any of the big four Frankfurt FKK's.I am more than a regular at world visited many hundred time in the last 10 years, for me very few blond German girls there but many adorable Romanian girls and some are also blond.
Who told you? Right now I think there is ONE German milfy type girl at World.
HB.If we believe taxi drivers now, soon we will believe Mercedes fish. This blond MILF is too massive for me, didn't know she is German. Seems quite busy.
I visited Sharks twelve times (I bought and used 2 x 355 visit cards) and Oase six times (1 x 240 visit cards).
Sorry, I have to correct my typo: I bought 2 x 325 visit cards at Sharks.
Der Auslander
08-20-16, 18:15
I would just add that I had started writing extensive reports about my many visits to Sharks, but I lost appetite to write these when I (and others) get attacked for no good reason. Too bad there can be no control here, because one wonders how many other good reports and posts we are / will miss due to this pest pissing in our pool.I am really disappointed to read that you were unable to finish your reports on Sharks. This Board can never get enough of the good information and quality of writing which a very few members (which includes yourself) can only provide. I hope you will reconsider and finish these reports in the not too distant future. I for one look forward to reading.
Der Auslander
08-20-16, 18:32
Can I take this opportunity to encourage other Senior Members to put good (or excellent) reports in the Reports of Distinction thread (should this report be about FKK Oase or any other FKK or Sauna Club), as this is a great way to reward guys who take the time and trouble to behave properly and actually offer good information back to the Board and to their fellow members. It is also a great way to encourage good behavior and etiquette on this Board and to reward the quality of the content of a particular Members reports. Otherwise, it seems to me, you will get individuals constantly spamming the Board, either because the are board at home or because they think that if they can get a post count measured in the thousands, they appear to be some sort of expert in matters associated with FKK and Sauna Clubs. However, those with any sense know that it is about the quality of the content of an individual members reports and not about quantity. This Board has a great tradition to uphold and there are some great stalwarts of this forum who are trying very hard to maintain those traditions. So I encourage all members to put great reports in the RoD thread and prevent this Germany. FKK Clubs from degenerating any further.
I would just add that I had started writing extensive reports about my many visits to Sharks, but I lost appetite to write these when I (and others) get attacked for no good reason. .Criticism (or for that matter praise) should only affect you if it is coming from someone that you care about (employer, family member, significant other, close friends, hot women). Why seek approval / disapproval from random people on the Internet whom you've never met?
I'd classify an attack as something that can impact your quality of life. For instance, spreading a nasty rumor in FKK land that resulted in you getting rejections from WGs. Or an attempt to hurt you physically, professionally, socially, or financially.
Criticism (or for that matter praise) should only affect you if it is coming from someone that you care about (employer, family member, significant other, close friends, hot women). Why seek approval / disapproval from random people on the Internet whom you've never met?
All of what you say is correct, in one context at least. But here's another perspective:
I work long hours now, in a very hot and humid climate. I get tired, sometimes exhausted. So I use interacting on this board, amongst others, as a way to relax and unwind. Part of that process is to compose reports, and it takes effort and time, which can be enjoyable. It can be relaxing and beneficial to contribute constructively, as most certainly do. But when the atmosphere here gets polluted with nasty, pointless posts (not just to me, but others as well) and it degenerates into personal attacks that are not based on any facts or reason, you start to loose your lust and appetite to put in the time and effort to compose these reports. You get disgusted, like expecting to dive into a clean pool just to find that some wanker is pissing in it. It used to be fun, but now it becomes boring to non-enjoyable.
So I just left my half-written Sharks report unfinished because I lost enjoyment to write reports, for the time being at least. That's all, it's not such a big deal really.
Thanks for your comments, but nobody needs a lecture about seeking approval from the Internet. That's only for those that take this stuff, or themselves, so seriously. Believe me when I say, I do not. :)
But look: This whole thing is a complete distraction. Who really cares about this crap anyway? Right? So let's put this whole discussion to bed, and turn back to what this thread is supposed to be about: Girls and action at BHH.
Neurosynth
08-20-16, 23:35
I'd like to suggest yet again that the Oase thread be used for Oase topics, and the General or Lounge threads be used for topics that are not specific to a single FKK.
ExpatLover
08-20-16, 23:58
Can I take this opportunity to encourage other Senior Members to put good (or excellent) reports in the Reports of Distinction thread (should this report be about FKK Oase or any other FKK or Sauna Club), as this is a great way to reward guys who take the time and trouble to behave properly and actually offer good information back to the Board and to their fellow members. It is also a great way to encourage good behavior and etiquette on this Board and to reward the quality of the content of a particular Members reports. Otherwise, it seems to me, you will get individuals constantly spamming the Board, either because the are board at home or because they think that if they can get a post count measured in the thousands, they appear to be some sort of expert in matters associated with FKK and Sauna Clubs. However, those with any sense know that it is about the quality of the content of an individual members reports and not about quantity. This Board has a great tradition to uphold and there are some great stalwarts of this forum who are trying very hard to maintain those traditions. So I encourage all members to put great reports in the RoD thread and prevent this Germany. FKK Clubs from degenerating any further.Most of the time I don't write reports about what happen with me in the room: I believe that the girls are human being and therefor have the right not to act mechanically the same way with each customer, there is also a big part of chemistry. I have great experiences with girls that some of you report very negatively. If the session is bad may be we are also responsible, I never complain with the girl I just ask myself if I was good enough or listening enough to her that she feels well with me and as a result give me good time. Sexe is the most important thing for me and each date is different but I always try to make the best of it even the girl is not in a good day and I try also to prefer quality vs quantity, no need to have 5 girls or even more per day, prefer from far 2 positive dates. Sexe is a lottery we can t always win, and porn movies are not the reality of the life even in FKK.
Had heard that from a Taxi Driver in Frankfurt. Not just one but two. I know the information source is not very trustable but since two taxi driver said so, thought might be the case.Maybe these Frankfurt taxi drivers just want your money. Of the Hessen big 5, World is the farthest way. Therefore it is the most expensive fare.
I was able to visit FKK Oase on a Saturday in late July, my very first visit to there and only my second to an FKK at all. The old hands in this thread have done a great job in providing information and answering questions, so there's not much for me to add. My semi-unique two cents: being black and only speaking English is not a problem at *all*. If anything, I felt they were more aggressive in seeking me out. One pair of girls I passed by a few times would always grin and call out "chocolate! Then go for a light, playful pinch.
If you're new to FKKs and are on the fence, just jump on in! And again: thanks, experts.
Member #4581
08-21-16, 03:09
You've been proclaiming that over and over againg. And I can just repeat over and over again: For a 50 EUR standard session for a non-regular McAdonis' ranking is spot on.
HB.But you have not been a non-regular for ages! LOL.
Just kidding. I know you these things more than most people and for sure, more than me.
Extremely poor Saturday night at Oase.
I arrived at midnight and there were less than 40 girls, nearly all were terrible.
I sessioned with Amelia. Skinny Romanian, 168 cm. Short brunette hair. Mechanical session. Light kissing, does not like intense DATY. Mechanical cowgirl with little passion during missionary. She does not perform ball licking and said that she does not to that for anyone. She could tell that I was not enjoying the session and asked what was wrong. I told her honestly that she did not give the passionate session that I liked. She tried to explain that girls do not have sex like wives at this club, obviously a lie. I left after 20 minutes and she was not at all happy with me. Oh well.
Luckily, Ellie was there to save the night, 168 cm dark brunette, almost black hair. Voluptuous, tight body with large augmented 'C' cups and probably Botox in her lips. I previously described her as an Aletta Ocean look-alike. She is relatively new, previously from Globe. She started in July but left for Romania for 2 weeks and has only been back for a week. I usually assume that girls who look as perfect and augmented as her give poor sessions; and while she is not the most passionate performer, this session being my second with her, she was definitely better. She is very talkative and is truly a nice girl. She did haggle for upsell on our first visit but not this time. She gives an above average blowjob, nothing special but does performs ball licking. She is responsive to DATY, does not like like hard sex, and gives good eye contact during missionary. I am not a frequent visitor to Oase, but would go back just for her.
YamaYama0519
08-21-16, 06:33
...I sessioned with Amelia. Skinny Romanian, 168 cm. Short brunette hair. Mechanical session. Light kissing, does not like intense DATY. Mechanical cowgirl with little passion during missionary. She does not perform ball licking and said that she does not to that for anyone. She could tell that I was not enjoying the session and asked what was wrong. I told her honestly that she did not give the passionate session that I liked. She tried to explain that girls do not have sex like wives at this club, obviously a lie. I left after 20 minutes and she was not at all happy with me. Oh well...My previous report on Amilia:
(1) May14,2016 2305-2350 (100 E) excluding 15 min as tip: long brown hair, little bit tanned, 160 cm pretty, self-proclaimed German having a lot of Romanian friends, studying law here, 1 month at Oase. During DATY she put her ankles at one time and her hands at other times on my head to press my lips on her pussy, almost suffocating me, leading her to big O. During missionary nothing happened, because more than one O would have kept her faint until 5 am, costing me 500 E according to her. She demanded a lot of things as a joke, like birthday present of 50 E, her big O for 50 E, her chewed gum for 5 E, which I enjoyed to chew. Repeat.
(2) May 16,2016 2230-2325 (100 E): second time with her in this Oase tour. She refused my DATY. Her first order was my massage on her for long time, then missionary after short BBBJ, which I gave up due to my dick's condition. While pillow talk, I started finger-job on her pussy, then she replaced it with her hand, which brought her to her O. I was a kind of observer during her masturbation, just kissing and caressing her tits and tummy. She liked to threaten me by demanding 200 E for her birthday present, 100 E for special VIP room charge, any money for any purpose. Such a pussy cat. Repeat.
Am wondering if your Amelia is the same as my Amilia.
My previous report on Amilia:
(1) May14,2016 2305-2350 (100 E) excluding 15 min as tip: long brown hair, little bit tanned, 160 cm pretty, self-proclaimed German having a lot of Romanian friends, studying law here, 1 month at Oase. During DATY she put her ankles at one time and her hands at other times on my head to press my lips on her pussy, almost suffocating me, leading her to big O. During missionary nothing happened, because more than one O would have kept her faint until 5 am, costing me 500 E according to her. She demanded a lot of things as a joke, like birthday present of 50 E, her big O for 50 E, her chewed gum for 5 E, which I enjoyed to chew. Repeat.
(2) May 16,2016 2230-2325 (100 E): second time with her in this Oase tour. She refused my DATY. Her first order was my massage on her for long time, then missionary after short BBBJ, which I gave up due to my dick's condition. While pillow talk, I started finger-job on her pussy, then she replaced it with her hand, which brought her to her O. I was a kind of observer during her masturbation, just kissing and caressing her tits and tummy. She liked to threaten me by demanding 200 E for her birthday present, 100 E for special VIP room charge, any money for any purpose. Such a pussy cat. Repeat.
Am wondering if your Amelia is the same as my Amilia.They sound like different girls. "Amelia" is much taller than 160 and cannot pass as German at all. This one also says that she has been there 2 years. Has some letters tattoo'd on her neck.
Hessen Bub
08-21-16, 08:40
But you have not been a non-regular for ages! LOL.
Outside Hessen I am a non-regular.
HB.
Kliens. Great that you realised that Romanians use "chocolate" as a friendly term. It is very widespread and positive. Glad you had a good time.
ExpatLover
08-21-16, 09:52
Extremely poor Saturday night at Oase.
I arrived at midnight and there were less than 40 girls, nearly all were terrible.
I sessioned with Amelia. Skinny Romanian, 168 cm. Short brunette hair. Mechanical session. Light kissing, does not like intense DATY. Mechanical cowgirl with little passion during missionary. She does not perform ball licking and said that she does not to that for anyone. She could tell that I was not enjoying the session and asked what was wrong. I told her honestly that she did not give the passionate session that I liked. She tried to explain that girls do not have sex like wives at this club, obviously a lie. I left after 20 minutes and she was not at all happy with me. Oh well.
Luckily, Ellie was there to save the night, 168 cm dark brunette, almost black hair. Voluptuous, tight body with large augmented 'C' cups and probably Botox in her lips. I previously described her as an Aletta Ocean look-alike. She is relatively new, previously from Globe. She started in July but left for Romania for 2 weeks and has only been back for a week. I usually assume that girls who look as perfect and augmented as her give poor sessions; and while she is not the most passionate performer, this session being my second with her, she was definitely better. She is very talkative and is truly a nice girl. She did haggle for upsell on our first visit but not this time. She gives an above average blowjob, nothing special but does performs ball licking. She is responsive to DATY, does not like like hard sex, and gives good eye contact during missionary. I am not a frequent visitor to Oase, but would go back just for her.I stopped to arrive so late to the FKK fro mainly 2 reasons, too many drunk guys around and I think that the girls are mostly tired and are trying to get short sleeps to recover. If possible try to go there just after opening around 11 am.
Outside Hessen I am a non-regular.
HB.And at Mainhattan? For me, same level for girls services than Sharks and World, I had my best bloody room with Sara / Megan at Mainhattan, not more upselling, just, often average casting.
Outside Hessen I am a non-regular.
HB.Define regular though. LU do not change radically in most FKK.
I fly in few times per year and when I do I go consecutive days. However, most of time LU are 85% similar to previous LU with 15% new girls, so I doubt LU change radically in any FKK club, I think LU change to noticeable level once every few month and not every few weeks.
I sessioned with Amelia. Skinny Romanian, 168 cm. Short brunette hair. Mechanical session. Light kissing, does not like intense DATY. Mechanical cowgirl with little passion during missionary. She does not perform ball licking and said that she does not to that for anyone. She could tell that I was not enjoying the session and asked what was wrong. I told her honestly that she did not give the passionate session that I liked. She tried to explain that girls do not have sex like wives at this club, obviously a lie. I left after 20 minutes and she was not at all happy with me. Oh well.
Most (almost all) guys underestimate the number of girls by a significant factor. I don't really think it could be as low as 40 like you say. No matter though. The attendance was low.
I took Amelia once a long time ago. I am assuming it is the same one, since there was only ever one in my experience. She really expected me to repeat her after that and did not understand why I did not. So she does not perhaps really understand some girls are performing much better than wives, and giving a really wonderful time to the customer. She did have her restrictions.
I would describe my session back then as okay But a bit lacklustre. Perhaps she was a little better back in those days. Could be jaded by now.
YY is obviously an optimist who can find almost all girls to be great, which seems a bit unrealistic, but the girls know how to behave I guess.
But when the atmosphere here gets polluted with nasty, pointless posts (not just to me, but others as well) and it degenerates into personal attacks that are not based on any facts or reason, you start to loose your lust and appetite to put in the time and effort to compose these reports. You get disgusted, like expecting to dive into a clean pool just to find that some wanker is pissing in it. It used to be fun, but now it becomes boring to non-enjoyable.
But look: This whole thing is a complete distraction. Who really cares about this crap anyway? Right? So let's put this whole discussion to bed, and turn back to what this thread is supposed to be about: Girls and action at BHH.Best to ignore the negative shit dumpers, as far as possible, who have to be the one who knows everything, right? Other readers will be able to get value from any good info produced. Any useful data.
I agree its about which girls can really give a good time, and why they can be good, since different guys have different motivations. Most other things, outside of plain facts, are too wishy washy to be much value. Once several guys include the same girl in their list of favourites, I think we can take notice. Even I never tried a girl, I can suspect how good she might potentially be, given several recommendations.
Most of my favourites have been crap for somebody, looking for something different, but still liked by some other customers.
Most (almost all) guys underestimate the number of girls by a significant factor. I don't really think it could be as low as 40 like you say. No matter though. The attendance was low.
Amelia...Perhaps you are right. The best estimate I can give without a number is that the numbered girls on this Saturday night was similar to a Monday might number. Perhaps it was the rain or the Germany vs Brazil Olympic gold medal match, but the numbers were abysmal for a Saturday night. Then again, I arrived at midnight so maybe it was better at 2100.
I believe it was the same Amelia because when I looked at a list you put out in July, the descriptions match.
PussyLiccker
08-21-16, 18:36
But when the atmosphere here gets polluted with nasty, pointless posts (not just to me, but others as well) and it degenerates into personal attacks that are not based on any facts or reasonWhat facts are we talking about here? When it comes to how I determine which posters to be reliable, it's about deduction. It's a combination of my experience, frequency of reporting noticed, what clubs they have reported on, and what girls reported. Also, posting patterns that are apparent.
For people like I, good intel and perspectives are highly important than quality of the writing. Although, some reports are just fun read and well written, but doesn't mean there is good intel in the writing.
Like Der Auslander for example. His postings I will take with a grain of salt. There is nothing he contributes besides postings about what his opinions on members here (not that I haven't done the same, and of course we both greatly differ in who's content are the most reliable). What does seniority have to do with anything here? Many members with various backgrounds and experiences. Some has not made a career out of mongering, doesn't mean they cannot provide reliable intel, and perspective on things.
We all have opinions on various clubs, girls, etc. Some dedicate to a club. Some only attend a club or two. Some attend many clubs. This is another factor I look for in punter, s perspectives.
Things that are questionable are those that cannot be determined to be factual. Nobody can verify what has actually occurred. We can only go by a bit of deductions and posting patterns.
I look for posters with reliable content. Facts about club prices, transport are easily verified factual or not. Other than that, a lot of things you cannot determine factuality of the content.
Things can be tailored to sound reasonable. Lawyers do it all the time. It just takes some common sense(some deductions) to figure things out. I like things that are straight up to the point. No beating around the bush.
Then again, I arrived at midnight so maybe it was better at 2100.Dayshift at Oase finish at 10 pm therefore you can add around 20 girls to your figure.
Der Auslander
08-21-16, 19:16
I'd like to suggest yet again that the Oase thread be used for Oase topics, and the General or Lounge threads be used for topics that are not specific to a single FKK.Well said. I agree.
Der Auslander
08-21-16, 19:30
Define regular though. LU do not change radically in most FKK.The term is somewhat subjective but in my opinion a Regular Customer (or Stamgast) would visit a club (like FKK Oase) several times per month and perhaps at least once or twice a week. Such a customer would know most of the girls working in the club (at least by name) and would perhaps have gained intimate knowledge of many of the working girls over time. A good example would be how the indomitable Syzygies can provide Line-Up Lists of the girls working in his preferred club on any given night when he is in attendance (see linked examples of Syzygies Line-Up Lists in the Reports of Distinction Thread). Therefore it is easier for a resident of Germany (or perhaps a neighboring country) to become a regular at his favorite club and less easy for a non-national or someone travelling from outside Europe.
Are there advantages to being a Stamgast or Regular Customer? There would possible be more consistent and better service offered by the working girls even for half hour sessions because the Stamgast is a regular visitor and his €50 would possibly be available to the WG on a more frequent basis. If the Regular Customer is a high roller the girls will fight to get him as a customer. Obviously if you are a regular at any club you get to know the staff working in the establishment and also some of the other regular customers. This can make any club visit a more enjoyable experience.
Are there disadvantages? I've seen guys get fixated about a particular girl and only visit a club regularly for this working-girl. In effect the club wife syndrome where the customer cannot go with another girl without offending the regular WG. Of course the regular WG may be offering extra services to keep the Stamgast or Regular Customer happy. But all said and done although some guys are happy with this particular club wife scenario, its definitely not for me!
YamaYama0519
08-21-16, 21:00
They sound like different girls. "Amelia" is much taller than 160 and cannot pass as German at all. This one also says that she has been there 2 years. Has some letters tattoo'd on her neck.Thanks for your confirmation. Maybe different one.
YamaYama0519
08-21-16, 21:02
YY is obviously an optimist who can find almost all girls to be great, which seems a bit unrealistic, but the girls know how to behave I guess.Yes, IMHO, every girl has something special or something unique, that I love.
While double names are a fairly common thing in Oase, the Amelia Syz is talking about has been there for about 4 or 5 years. I didn't see her in the beginning of August, but in the spring she was still "going strong". For me she is always a good example of how club "rules" or "atmosphere" or "mafias" can make or brake girls (from our persopective).
Just today I had avery crappy session in Luderlounge with a girl that just transfered from Paradise Saarbrucken. When I told her to call it quits after about 18 minutes (always nice to have the option of a 20 minute session), she made me stay and explain why. The only real counter she had was "In saarbrucken we didn't really do all this stuff and it is difficult to change", we are talking decent DFK and the like. But anyway, I digress.
When Amelia was very new, shy and had few rooms. We are talking about the times where the kino was closed, food was served from behind the bar and the idea of going to a room without making out in the kino (or somewhere else) was preposturous. Nothing changed in oase over the last years as you can see. Back then I used to meet up with a buddy of mine, who is smarter and has given up on Oase a while ago, and would do a handfull sessions each. His final one would typically be the first girl that was willing to start blowing him in the bar and then finish the whole the right there, still see a lot of that as well. But again I digress.
We were sitting in one of the couches opposite the kino (also gone) and a very young Amelia sat down in my lap and we just made out for about 15 minutes, without really saying anything and funliy enough: "better than with a wife". Rooms also very GFE without any real restrictions. This continued fairly steadily even as the first cracks in Oase's service reputation strted to appear, and off course at some point we were in the room (or tent really) and she suddenly wouldn't kiss anymore, or maybe if I stayed an hour. We spent half an hour doing pretty much nothing but discuss her sudden service development and after getting her "well deserved" 50 that was it. Although she of course tried to patch things up when she felt the need for some money, nowadays she just ignores me, so everything is nice and as it should be, and she spents her time with Montana and a few others waiting for a busload of Asians or Italians to arrive.
PussyLiccker
08-21-16, 23:16
Nothing changed in oase over the last years as you can see. Back then I used to meet up with a buddy of mine, who is smarter and has given up on Oase a while ago, and would do a handfull sessions each. His final one would typically be the first girl that was willing to start blowing him in the bar and then finish the whole the right there, still see a lot of that as well. But again I digress.I called it quits too (maybe for the time being, dunno), I doubt that there will be positive changes. Man, Ortos got firey when I posted that. Oh lord!! For me, Oase was about reliability in service for a while it lasted. Yup, couches gone, replaced with tables. Darker lounge, can't make out the girls in there. Not the same as what it were. Atmosphere, gone. Similarly, prezimmer action degraded which was highlight for me and made it really simple to figure out the good service girls.
Hi,
Is November a good time to visit Oase? Are the top girls working during this time?
Thanks in advance.
The term is somewhat subjective but in my opinion a Regular Customer (or Stamgast) would visit a club (like FKK Oase) several times per month and perhaps at least once or twice a week. Such a customer would know most of the girls working in the club (at least by name) and would perhaps have gained intimate knowledge of many of the working girls over time. A good example would be how the indomitable Syzygies can provide Line-Up Lists of the girls working in his preferred club on any given night when he is in attendance (see linked examples of Syzygies Line-Up Lists in the Reports of Distinction Thread). Therefore it is easier for a resident of Germany (or perhaps a neighboring country) to become a regular at his favorite club and less easy for a non-national or someone travelling from outside Europe.
Are there advantages to being a Stamgast or Regular Customer? There would possible be more consistent and better service offered by the working girls even for half hour sessions because the Stamgast is a regular visitor and his 50 would possibly be available to the WG on a more frequent basis. If the Regular Customer is a high roller the girls will fight to get him as a customer. Obviously if you are a regular at any club you get to know the staff working in the establishment and also some of the other regular customers. This can make any club visit a more enjoyable experience.
Are there disadvantages? I've seen guys get fixated about a particular girl and only visit a club regularly for this working-girl. In effect the club wife syndrome where the customer cannot go with another girl without offending the regular WG. Of course the regular WG may be offering extra services to keep the Stamgast or Regular Customer happy. But all said and done although some guys are happy with this particular club wife scenario, its definitely not for me!Well I am flying in punter, but I have this last problem of girl getting pissed off when I go with other girls. It is only by one girl at Artemis though, but I have been going with her for years and she does provide me many extras for free (not CIM or anal) by just going one hour with her, and according to the report, she is bad service provider to non regular.
I will check out Oase in December again, let see how it will turn out as last summer, it was not my best FKK experience.
Well I am flying in punter, but I have this last problem of girl getting pissed off when I go with other girls. It is only by one girl at Artemis though, but I have been going with her for years and she does provide me many extras for free (not CIM or anal) by just going one hour with her, and according to the report, she is bad service provider to non regular.When you say extras for free but (not CIM or anal,) I hope you are not implying that kissing, BBBJ, and DATY are "extras. " Those are not extras in FKK Sauna clubs; although if Oase is the only club that you visit, it might seem that way!
This continued fairly steadily even as the first cracks in Oase's service reputation strted to appear, and off course at some point we were in the room (or tent really) and she suddenly wouldn't kiss anymore, or maybe if I stayed an hour. We spent half an hour doing pretty much nothing but discuss her sudden service development and after getting her "well deserved" 50 that was it. Although she of course tried to patch things up when she felt the need for some money, nowadays she just ignores me, so everything is nice and as it should be, and she spents her time with Montana and a few others waiting for a busload of Asians or Italians to arrive.Sounds like you just gave 50 EUR to Amelia as severance pay. Amelia and Montana are both nice to me, even though I never sessioned with either of them.
Went from doing 20-25 Oase visits a year to 1-3 visits per year in 2014-15. At the moment, I have no plans to return to Oase.
For a 50 EUR session, Oase girls don't want to fuck+suck either. After about 10 minutes, they start complaining and explain I only have five minutes left. I do CIM more frequently than most, but Oase WGs will start complaining mid-way thru those 30 minute sessions as well.
When you say extras for free but (not CIM or anal,) I hope you are not implying that kissing, BBBJ, and DATY are "extras. " Those are not extras in FKK Sauna clubs; although if Oase is the only club that you visit, it might seem that way!No, I am not, but more hardcore things I only been to Oase once. I mostly go to Artemis and I have been there maybe over around 80 times, I am not regular as I fly in, but I go consecutive days with my regular girls that I like and also I add on few more beauties to my choice that later become regular if her sessions are good.
Other than that in Hessen area, I been to palace more than 10 times, sharks once, Oase once as mentioned.
Oase had bad upsell almost as bad as palace. But in palace you can negotiate and you can actually get crazy sessions that echoes in eternity. But Oase, it seemed girls are more reluctant to most dirty thing like in palace.
However, I have only been to Oase in I think it was August, if not July. So it must have been low season with not usual LU, so I am looking forward to go back there again during high season before Christmas holiday when girls should be there to squeeze the last profits of this year before heading home.
TankTank123
08-23-16, 02:47
We were sitting in one of the couches opposite the kino (also gone) and a very young Amelia sat down in my lap and we just made out for about 15 minutes, without really saying anything and funliy enough: "better than with a wife". Rooms also very GFE without any real restrictions. This continued fairly steadily even as the first cracks in Oase's service reputation strted to appear, and off course at some point we were in the room (or tent really) and she suddenly wouldn't kiss anymore, or maybe if I stayed an hour. We spent half an hour doing pretty much nothing but discuss her sudden service development and after getting her "well deserved" 50 that was it. Although she of course tried to patch things up when she felt the need for some money, nowadays she just ignores me, so everything is nice and as it should be, and she spents her time with Montana and a few others waiting for a busload of Asians or Italians to arrive.Hey, I could have written this paragraph word for word. My first session with Amelia was on 2011 and I had a final severance session in 2012 as I cannot tolerate girls who want to charge for kissing.
By the way, Montana now looks so totally unattractive that I wonder how she gets any customers. I had my first and last session with Montana in 2012: as she shortchanged me in time by 25 minutes, and then dared to ask for a tip, I never took her again.
Hessen Bub
08-23-16, 07:23
I been to ... sharks once, Oase once as mentioned.
Oase had bad upsell almost as bad as palace.How would you know from one visit?
HB.
How would you know from one visit?
HB.That is why I put I only went once to sharks, Oase and globe all the time in previous posts that my impression on one visit.
However, I could compare it to my experiences to other FKK like Artemis where I have been over 80 times or even close to 100 times over 6 or 7 years, and Mr HB, you do not need to make ironic comments on everyone who says their opinions about FKK, it is just our opinion and nobody is claiming to be expert in FKK LOL.
Plus we acknowledge the fact that Mr HB is the master of FKK and yes you do know a lot.
By the way, Montana now looks so totally unattractive that I wonder how she gets any customers. I had my first and last session with Montana in 2012: as she shortchanged me in time by 25 minutes, and then dared to ask for a tip, I never took her again.I tried Montana once. Her legs were too stiff (no relax). I could not fuck her. My stiff went away rapidly. Same story with some other girls, including Jessica, Alicia(Rom), Irinka, even Laura(Livia). Clearly this is the biggest problem that I experience with Oase girls (experienced this a lot less at Sharks I think - on occasion yes girl was not fully relaxed but still managed to have sex O.K.). Naturally I did not go 1 hour with them, unless somehow managed to waste the first 30 minutes.
I guess these girls can be much better for other customers, when they are relaxed, so I don't say they are bad girls at all. Just not suited for me.
Fortunately there are plenty of girls who bend the knee, raise and spread the legs very relaxed, and make it very easy to fuck them. Even some really little girls can be immensely enjoyable, thinking of Carla, May, Ina (in recent times), with super GFE, whether girl is professionally very good or very amateur.
Hessen Bub
08-23-16, 21:59
Montana was a great session in her early days. Booked her a few times. Then the sessions got worse and worse and I never went again.
HB.
Plus we acknowledge the fact that Mr HB is the master of FKK.Who is 'we'? Ymmv.
If one girl upsells to one guy, that doesnt mean that she upsells to everyone. Had so many incidents both of girls trying to take advantage of me liking them, to them giving me more than others get probably because they like me a bit. Gangs and labor unions goes some way, but they are never universal once you get to the room... if they were, then fucking a blow up doll would have the same effect as fkk'ing. Ymmv is what makes fkk'ing fun.
As siri hints at, the clue is to make the girls feel your time is precious...
I tried Montana once. Her legs were too stiff (no relax). I could not fuck her. My stiff went away rapidly. Same story with some other girls, including Jessica, Alicia(Rom), Irinka, even Laura(Livia). Clearly this is the biggest problem that I experience with Oase girls (experienced this a lot less at Sharks I think - on occasion yes girl was not fully relaxed but still managed to have sex O.K.). Naturally I did not go 1 hour with them, unless somehow managed to waste the first 30 minutes.
I guess these girls can be much better for other customers, when they are relaxed, so I don't say they are bad girls at all. Just not suited for me.
Fortunately there are plenty of girls who bend the knee, raise and spread the legs very relaxed, and make it very easy to fuck them. Even some really little girls can be immensely enjoyable, thinking of Carla, May, Ina (in recent times), with super GFE, whether girl is professionally very good or very amateur.How many days have gone by without a poster mentioning a girl by name he has seen recently at the club that gives good service? Amazing how so many people seem to know everything except what counts. Not referring to anyone in particular.
TankTank123
08-24-16, 03:35
Went from doing 20-25 Oase visits a year to 1-3 visits per year in 2014-15. At the moment, I have no plans to return to Oase.
For a 50 EUR session, Oase girls don't want to fuck+suck either. After about 10 minutes, they start complaining and explain I only have five minutes left.Ditto. I went from 15-20 Oase visits per year from 2008-2014 to 5 visits a year in 2015-16 for the same reasons you gave. Furthermore, the 5 visits were only to fill my schedule on Tuesdays when it is dessous tag in World and Sharks. And since in my last visit to Oase on a Tuesday in July, it seemed almost like a dessous tag in Oase with boobs and pussies hidden by accessories or towels, I did not even contemplate visiting Oase when I was in Germany this month.
I saw quite a few girls previously from Oase now making an appearance in Sharks when I visited Sharks last week. They told me that business is currently bad at Oase.
Ditto. I went from 15-20 Oase visits per year from 2008-2014 to 5 visits a year in 2015-16 for the same reasons you gave. From 2006 - 2010 I was in average weekly at Oase, at this time Oase was my number one club. Form 2011 - 2012 I was in average every second week at Oase bc next to Oase I also liked at this time on same level World and Atlanta, from 2013 - 2014 I was in average once per month at Oase with an exception for three month when I had a top fav there, at this time more often than weekly. From 2015 till now only once every two or three month there. Since spring 2014 I don't have any fav at Oase but in this frequency I'm looking for a new one there.
With the service level of Oase I don't have a problem. Ofc it dropped down over the years in hugh steps but for me for the good looking girls isn't any big differance to the other big Frankfurt clubs. And when I'm really interested in a girl it's up to me to bring her the way I want or not.
No what really bothers me at Oase is the general outside room behavior of most of the new girls there. And I don't mean with this the acquisition approaching, no I mean the insults to me or other long time (ex) regulars at Oase. I've heard this also from now ex Oase top acts that they lost many regulars bc of this behavior of these chicks at Oase. I had some "discussions" at Oase with girls I can't believe and the girls came to me I want nothing from them. Or girls listening talks with me and other guys and they interfere in a very rude way. For instance two girls listening a conversation with me and a guy and they interfere in a really aggressive way blaming us we weren't allowed to talk about other Oase girls. Ok I said also very rude "fuck you off", nevertheless I don't need a behavior like this. And it's useless to complain at Oase about things like that. Therefore I prefer clubs where such a behavior isn't allowed and when a girl do and a guy complains she can pack her things immediately.
Hello everyone,
I'm going to visit either World or Oase next Sunday (28.08).
Which would you recommend? (Posting in both Oase and World forums).
Mainly looking for thin, sweet GFE type girls if that matters.
Thanks in advance.
ExpatLover
08-24-16, 18:36
From 2006 - 2010 I was in average weekly at Oase, at this time Oase was my number one club. Form 2011 - 2012 I was in average every second week at Oase bc next to Oase I also liked at this time on same level World and Atlanta, from 2013 - 2014 I was in average once per month at Oase with an exception for three month when I had a top fav there, at this time more often than weekly. From 2015 till now only once every two or three month there. Since spring 2014 I don't have any fav at Oase but in this frequency I'm looking for a new one there.
With the service level of Oase I don't have a problem. Ofc it dropped down over the years in hugh steps but for me for the good looking girls isn't any big differance to the other big Frankfurt clubs. And when I'm really interested in a girl it's up to me to bring her the way I want or not.
No what really bothers me at Oase is the general outside room behavior of most of the new girls there. And I don't mean with this the acquisition approaching, no I mean the insults to me or other long time (ex) regulars at Oase. I've heard this also from now ex Oase top acts that they lost many regulars bc of this behavior of these chicks at Oase. I had some "discussions" at Oase with girls I can't believe and the girls came to me I want nothing from them. Or girls listening talks with me and other guys and they interfere in a very rude way. For instance two girls listening a conversation with me and a guy and they interfere in a really aggressive way blaming us we weren't allowed to talk about other Oase girls. Ok I said also very rude "fuck you off", nevertheless I don't need a behavior like this. And it's useless to complain at Oase about things like that. Therefore I prefer clubs where such a behavior isn't allowed and when a girl do and a guy complains she can pack her things immediately.Many times I faced a little bit the same problem in Oase and Palace but not only, I don't believe that to insult them is the adapted answer just ignore them. Sometimes when I say tony girl that she is beautiful but that I am tired she starts to be very angry with me I just ignore, obviously in many club I have my favorite for example today at world 1 girl wait for me 3 hours until I finished sauna etc. Wanted to try a new one but couldn't t say no to her. Conclusion yes some negative behavior but fortunately a lot of positive largely compensating the bad one. Seldom I am facing this kind of problem in world.
Anyone know if Laura and Alice is still present at Oase? Both blonde.
From 2006 - 2010 I was in average weekly at Oase, at this time Oase was my number one club. Form 2011 - 2012 I was in average every second week at Oase bc next to Oase I also liked at this time on same level World and Atlanta, from 2013 - 2014 I was in average once per month at Oase with an exception for three month when I had a top fav there, at this time more often than weekly. From 2015 till now only once every two or three month there. Since spring 2014 I don't have any fav at Oase but in this frequency I'm looking for a new one there.
With the service level of Oase I don't have a problem. Ofc it dropped down over the years in hugh steps but for me for the good looking girls isn't any big differance to the other big Frankfurt clubs. And when I'm really interested in a girl it's up to me to bring her the way I want or not.
No what really bothers me at Oase is the general outside room behavior of most of the new girls there. And I don't mean with this the acquisition approaching, no I mean the insults to me or other long time (ex) regulars at Oase. I've heard this also from now ex Oase top acts that they lost many regulars bc of this behavior of these chicks at Oase. I had some "discussions" at Oase with girls I can't believe and the girls came to me I want nothing from them. Or girls listening talks with me and other guys and they interfere in a very rude way. For instance two girls listening a conversation with me and a guy and they interfere in a really aggressive way blaming us we weren't allowed to talk about other Oase girls. Ok I said also very rude "fuck you off", nevertheless I don't need a behavior like this. And it's useless to complain at Oase about things like that. Therefore I prefer clubs where such a behavior isn't allowed and when a girl do and a guy complains she can pack her things immediately.You cannot expect 95% FKK girls to have any education. Both at their home and school.
You cannot expect 95% FKK girls to have any education. Both at their home and school.This has less to do with education than on rules and discipline. The problem is that the Oase girls don't have any discipline since drill sergeant Gaby left Oase. The Oase girls can now do in many ways what they want. Take for excample the lingerie rule, I have feeling girls decide every day is lingerie day. Or take this permanent smartphone useing of the girls. And rude behavior with guests is absolutly NoGo. All this things works in other clubs much better bc the club has rules and makes sure the girls follow this rules. And follow rules has nothing to do with education, look at armys their soldiers follow rules with or without education.
Hessen Bub
08-25-16, 17:23
Laura (Juicy's sister) is there. There's a new Alice, dark hair, was at LR, Point, Aca and Paradise LE before.
HB.
This has less to do with education than on rules and discipline. The problem is that the Oase girls don't have any discipline since drill sergeant Gaby left Oase. The Oase girls can now do in many ways what they want. Take for excample the lingerie rule, I have feeling girls decide every day is lingerie day. Or take this permanent smartphone useing of the girls. And rude behavior with guests is absolutly NoGo. All this things works in other clubs much better bc the club has rules and makes sure the girls follow this rules. And follow rules has nothing to do with education, look at armys their soldiers follow rules with or without education.It maybe got to do little bit with Artemis raid about rule issue. As for service, even I went to Oase just once, comparison to other FKK I have been to, I did realize girls behavior is different when it comes to negotiation for price and I even found palace better for service.
As for permanent smartphone use by girls, really? If so, we can join them and use our smartphone permanently at Oase too, oh buddy, remember that smartphone has silent camera and video on it LOL.
Anyways, we cannot expect a lot from these ho in FKK LOL not all of them, but most of them LOL.
Hessen Bub
08-26-16, 10:03
This has nothing to do with what happened at Artemis, it started way before.
Smartphones are allowed for male guests also, in the garden and inside the club. All other clubs in Hessen do not allow smartphones, only in certain areas like lockers or at the reception. NRW clubs do mostly allow smartphones everywhere.
HB.
Syz: Laura stiff legs? She was like yelly with me. Almost a bit scared to return to the room with her as I felt she might be breakable (LOL). Deffinately repeatable. Come to think of it, I don't know why I haven't resessioned her yet.
ExpatLover
08-27-16, 20:04
It maybe got to do little bit with Artemis raid about rule issue. As for service, even I went to Oase just once, comparison to other FKK I have been to, I did realize girls behavior is different when it comes to negotiation for price and I even found palace better for service.
As for permanent smartphone use by girls, really? If so, we can join them and use our smartphone permanently at Oase too, oh buddy, remember that smartphone has silent camera and video on it LOL.
Anyways, we cannot expect a lot from these ho in FKK LOL not all of them, but most of them LOL.Arrived at 10 am this morning, what a great LU, all the girls playing around the pool just gorgeous, I don t know why some are complaining about smartphone use I found the girls more relax than before. Session-ed Anya (blond, beautiful skin) told me she was from Russia may be true but what is sure after I saw her on the pool for more than 2 hours it was a real pleasure to be with this beauty except sili (nicely done) boob everything is perfect at least for my taste.
Overall one of my best FKK day.
How many days have gone by without a poster mentioning a girl by name he has seen recently at the club that gives good service? Amazing how so many people seem to know everything except what counts. Not referring to anyone in particular.Ha ha. Very good comment. Didn't you know that the good girls are often highly coveted secrets, or some guys are so negative, they can't bring themselves to praise any girls? Instead we get all these general non specific comments, hardly very useful to me.
We can forgive guys not posting any girl comment or recommendation if he is away overseas for a long period.
I like it, when I read consistently how good was Denisa, for example, since I never tried her yet. It is nice to read which girls are generally considered to give a pretty good reliable GFE session. It is very helpful when a girl may have been considered but was in the undecided category for a try. Its possibly useful to read reviews of new girls in particular.
Every club has a set of good girls, most likely. Knowing some names of girls generally recommended can be handy, if happen to meet them and are considering them, being the right type. If no names can be remembered, then of course it does not work. Unnamed girls can hardly be useful.
Arrived at 10 am this morning, what a great LU, all the girls playing around the pool just gorgeous, I don t know why some are complaining about smartphone use I found the girls more relax than before. Session-ed Anya (blond, beautiful skin) told me she was from Russia may be true but what is sure after I saw her on the pool for more than 2 hours it was a real pleasure to be with this beauty except sili (nicely done) boob everything is perfect at least for my taste.
Overall one of my best FKK day.Can you believe Anya is really Russian? With my little experience about land of lies, I give you 2 secrets: Russians don't stay with Romanian girls, Ina always stayed alone, Tatiana didn't go with Romanians. Also, Anya doesn't speak Russian, not easy in Russia because Russians are really bad for foreign languages. She has not at all the Russian women sensuality, but if you enjoyed her fluent kissing in room, then you can find many top performers at Oase. Pretty, but not woman behavior for me, like too many girls tried at Oase. Upselling, you want to finish in my mouth? Was not my main negative point, most are not women yet, except Ina, Tatiana, Elisabet. Cz.
Syz / Aki,
What? Are we allowed to give a positive review about this club? With names? Is that permitted?
Last week there was a heatwave all over Hessen. It was h-o-t, baby. I mean, it was past 95 degrees in the shades. It was too hot for the girls to wear any outfits at all, and for once everybody did justice to the FKK concept, which really did not help cooling things down for the gents around the pool. Apart from Donna, of course, but even Donna had removed her panties exposing her beautiful round ass, and even her big bra could not hide the biggest cleavage in town. It was BURNING!
The restaurant was moved outdoors, and the chef served freshly made eggs in different styles, crispy bacon and fresh salads. To me nothing beats eating breakfast outside at Oase in summer. Club opens at 10 am. Breaksfast is served from 11 am.
Around the pool was around 10- 15 girls sunbathing. And me. Me like. I really enjoy the early hours when the girls are more relaxed, they have time to play in the pool, and every once in a while you get a sweet invitation. Public sex is not uncommon. Mostly in the sunbeds farthest away or in the bed on the hill. By 4 pm the situation is changed. The gents arrive and occupy the scene around the pool while the girls keep disappearing to the Zimmers.
It's August with lots of girls on vacation. Diana DR and Krina both seems to be away for a longer period. I did not see Juicy. But Alexia (model mit Brille), Alexa ("Thai") Elizabeth and Elizabeth were in attendance. Ina, Lat is back. All top girls IME, but I am sure experiences vary. And lots of new girls including the very pretty 19 yo Maria, ro and a very young German girl from Hamburg (dark hair, heavy war paint, silly cones, but beautiful hips and legs and bubbly personality). Late night saw a few new hot looking girls to me that I am not able to name ufortuneately. And I still have not identified Denisa ...
A slim brunette with very pretty face and "perfect model body" claimed to be Ex-Globe. I believe her. I also believed her when she said she wanted 50 E extra for kissing irrespective of time in the room, so it did not happen. My money went to someone else.
All in all a very good day at Oase. A much better line-up at Oase than World. No question. Still, I enjoyed myself silly at World too (Selena, Oana, Ella, Maya).
Apparantly Mauro has recently told the girls in one of his many meetings that there now are almost 400 girls in total at Oase and that they would "all show up at Messe time in September". Let's take that statement with a grain of salt.
Apparantly Mauro had told the girls in one of his many meetning that there now are almost 400 girls in total at Oase and that they would "all show up at Messe time in September". Let's take that statement with a grain of salt.400 girls, great but why waiting till September, right now is Tendence Messe.
400 girls and 30 rooms? Like Magnum claim 100 and Oceans 200 . Not serious. I just need 1 classy, pretty, sweet girl who is able to behave like a real woman, in a club.
LOL at 400 girls. That guy must have been checking his 'all time visiting' list for the past 3 years or so to come up with such a number. Or probably alot of girls just haven't said that they are not returning while working other clubs.
But if the same LU that I saw in July returns in Sept., we have nothing to complain about. That was about 90-100 girls where about 25 were doable (and I am normally quite picky. If I see 10 doable girls, I'm more than satisfied... sharks was at about 15 the day before) Maybe the best optical LU ever. (Syz and takedown was there as well and seemed to agree it was a great LU)
I just need 1 classy, pretty, sweet girl who is able to behave like a real woman, in a club.Siri,
You hunk you. You are way to modest. I would probably need 6- 8 goodlooking regular girls with solid performance to keep me interested in the long run (repeat list). Half of them are usually away at any given time! I also would like to have a choice of 2- 3 new girls on my todo-list to keep things interesting. Oase serves me well in this respect. Note that I am only a semi-monthly visitor at best (apart from summer), and I fully respect that gents that visit the clubs more frequently have a need for a greater consumption and change (girls and clubs).
LOL at 400 girls. That guy must have been checking his 'all time visiting' list for the past 3 years or so to come up with such a number. Or probably alot of girls just haven't said that they are not returning while working other clubs.Don't laugh to hard. Actually I can believe that a list of girls interested to work at Oase could contain 400 names. I just doubt they will all show up during the busiest week of the Auto messe. Realistically my guesstimate would be closer to 140- 200 girls in that particular week (a normal busy week usually contains 120- 150 names, and earlier this month maybe just half of that). But let's wait and see.
UltraHappy
08-30-16, 01:55
Don't laugh to hard. Actually I can believe that a list of girls interested to work at Oase could contain 400 names. I just doubt they will all show up during the busiest week of the Auto messe. Realistically my guesstimate would be closer to 140- 200 girls in that particular week (a normal busy week usually contains 120- 150 names, and earlier this month maybe just half of that). But let's wait and see.Mr. Sharky, your PM box is full once again.
Siri,
You hunk you. You are way to modest. I would probably need 6- 8 goodlooking regular girls with solid performance to keep me interested in the long run (repeat list). Half of them are usually away at any given time! I also would like to have a choice of 2- 3 new girls on my todo-list to keep things interesting. Oase serves me well in this respect. Note that I am only a semi-monthly visitor at best (apart from summer), and I fully respect that gents that visit the clubs more frequently have a need for a greater consumption and change (girls and clubs).I don't know what means hunk? But Ina. Lat, if she is back, is just enough for me. So honest girl at Oase.
ExpatLover
08-30-16, 11:17
Don't laugh to hard. Actually I can believe that a list of girls interested to work at Oase could contain 400 names. I just doubt they will all show up during the busiest week of the Auto messe. Realistically my guesstimate would be closer to 140- 200 girls in that particular week (a normal busy week usually contains 120- 150 names, and earlier this month maybe just half of that). But let's wait and see.Oase is too small to manage so many girls, it is more advertisement than real life. Visited many times during the big fairs the attendance was not so big until 10 PM, let see what will happen this time.
Hessen Bub
08-30-16, 13:40
Inna said something about staying until mid September.
HB.
In the last ten years I've never seen more than 130 girls on one day at Oase, and that includes IAA and many other Frankfurt Messe.
Inna said something about staying until mid September.
HB.When did she arrive?
Quick question. Considering visiting Oaze in January and just realizing that I have never been there at that time of the year. How is the LU. Are many girls away for orthodox Christmas / New Year?
(Posted the same question in Sharks forum. Sorry about repetition.).
Thanks.
Don't laugh to hard. Actually I can believe that a list of girls interested to work at Oase could contain 400 names. I just doubt they will all show up during the busiest week of the Auto messe. Realistically my guesstimate would be closer to 140- 200 girls in that particular week (a normal busy week usually contains 120- 150 names, and earlier this month maybe just half of that). But let's wait and see.Maybe throughout a whole week you may near up on 200, but not on a single day. And those 200 would pretty much be the whole Oase list with absolutely noone away. As for girls wanting to work there, I wish I knew about the selection process too.
I second Craiova's statement regarding the 'maximum' at Oase. But 130 girls really is a whole fucking lot of girls too! When people exeed 100 girls, the mind tends to leave the room in one direction, and the cum flies in 5 other directions. There are no clubs where 130 girls would not make the club packed. Maybe Sharks and Artemis has more girls lockers and rooms, but even there I believe 150 is the absolute max. So just a fraction more...
In the last ten years I've never seen more than 130 girls on one day at Oase, and that includes IAA and many other Frankfurt Messe.Just to be clear: My speculation below applied to how many separate girls you can find in the club during a whole week. As you know there are some girls never working the crowded Friday and Saturday night.
Don't take my numbers too seriously. I am just having some fun trying to figure out what is likely to happen.
ExpatLover
08-30-16, 21:03
In the last ten years I've never seen more than 130 girls on one day at Oase, and that includes IAA and many other Frankfurt Messe.Fully agree with you, even 120 girls is a very huge number there are definitively not enough rooms.
And in a few weeks, a new club opens with 600 girls working. Ofcourse adverticed like this before the first recruit is made.
Der Auslander
08-30-16, 22:10
This question has been asked many, many, many times down through the years.
Yes the line up will be down. Yes many girls will go home for the holidays. Be that the Western European / American Christmas / New Year Holidays (Gregorian Calendar) or the Orthodox Calendar Christmas / New Year Holidays. Line ups in all the clubs, even the big mega FKK / Sauna Clubs will be well down by many many girls. Christmas and New Year (from about a week or ten days before Christtmas to the end of January and probably a bit later) are not the best time to plan a mongering trip to Germany, particularly if you can only travel a few times a year. However, there is never a bad time to visit a FKK / Sauna Club because all the clubs will be open (some even on Christmas Day) and all clubs will have girls present. The bigger clubs will still have a good selection of girls.
I have visited many times during the holiday period and always had a great time.
Quick question. Considering visiting Oaze in January and just realizing that I have never been there at that time of the year. How is the LU. Are many girls away for orthodox Christmas / New Year?
FormulaOneFan
08-31-16, 06:08
I've visited in late January and had a great time at Oase and Sharks. Is the lineup as good as other months? Maybe not, but the crowds are down too. Its a tradeoff of having a handful of hot girls vs a gaggle of hot girls vs a scarcity of customers vs a deluge of customers.
Pick your battles and your pussies.
And in a few weeks, a new club opens with 600 girls working. Ofcourse adverticed like this before the first recruit is made.Really? I mean they say new big club was supposed to open at Potsdam, and it never did.
And in a few weeks, a new club opens with 600 girls working. Ofcourse adverticed like this before the first recruit is made.New Turkish ghost club around Giessen, with 600 Siberian girls fallen from the Tupolev. Fortunately not for poor World.
I feel some people might have gotten this wrong. More girls does not allways equal you having a better time at a club. More girls can sometimes mean more customers fighting for the top girls. So chances for having the top girls booked (meaning no access for everyone else) for the whole night increases. And also chances of not being able to reach the top picks increases. A slow night is usually just as good as a busy night. This is deffinately the case with the most busy messe nights.
Which means that the chances of you having a good time at an FKK is pretty much luck based 365 days a year. Only thing that matters is if you are positive and find a girl or five that you like for the night.
If everybody only comes on certain nights that would mean death and decay. And many bad things could occur:
- Girls might start charging more on these nights.
- Even more guys would fight for the same top 5 girls this night.
- The slow nights would get even slower, making the girls working slow nights even more frustrated.
- More girls would start taking a vacation during the slow periods. So reaching them would get even harder...
I'd say all 12 months of the year is good (maybe except a few weeks in august when alot are on vacation, or a few days around new year...) But I know top girls working both these periods as well, and even had a girl being angry at me once for not joining her for new year. As the club was so boring then, and she was stuck working that week... I bet she had given me a great time if I had come...
Hessen Bub
08-31-16, 21:33
And in a few weeks, a new club opens with 600 girls working. Ofcourse adverticed like this before the first recruit is made.You also believe that Red Bull makes you fly?
HB.
I was finally there last week end, maybe my 6th or 7th visit to Oase, but never in such a hot weather. The good thing is that you can relax and admire the gorgeous girls around the pool. It was so hot the only way to cool off was to jump in the water. Anyways I got there around 2 pm and there were lots of girls and not too many guys so perfect setup. Some people love the BBQ; for me I find it's too bad that they close the pizza place when they serve food outside, I enjoy the pizza much more that the rest of the food they have. I also learned some room as air conditioned and others are not, which I had never noticed before, but on that day believe me I noticed. Anyways, I saw Hun Elizabeth, still my favorite; always with a smile, polite, and classy; never loud, never insistent, and gorgeous with great service. After relaxing and some food I decided to go for a second session, and met Amy from Germany (if so, the only German in the club). It was a good session and no upselling but a little bit mechanical, plus it was not an air conditioned room so after a few minutes it became difficult to do anything, it was like a sauna. Similar setup on the next day, there were so many gorgeous girls I didn't know what to do. I try to stay away from the loud or insistent girls, they look like trouble. Plus I can tell they bad mouth the guys who turn them down. Anyways, I met Corina, nice curly young blonde from Romania. Very nice bubbly personality, easy to talk to and get along with. Very good service too, I will repeat. Finally the last one was a wild brunette called Claudia from Romania. Petite and good looking, excellent session and just went for maximum fun; it was totally worth it.
An expensive week end, but I left a happy man, as always. Still my favorite place, without a doubt.
You also believe that Red Bull makes you fly?
HB.Red Bull? I thought that was what powerred those formula one cars.
New Turkish ghost club around Giessen, with 600 Siberian girls fallen from the Tupolev. Fortunately not for poor World.The undercover russian invasion army. It is like the taking of Troy. You never realize they have machine guns in their pussies untill you go down at their why.
PussyLiccker
09-01-16, 06:28
I feel some people might have gotten this wrong. More girls does not allways equal you having a better time at a club. More girls can sometimes mean more customers fighting for the top girls. So chances for having the top girls booked (meaning no access for everyone else) for the whole night increases. And also chances of not being able to reach the top picks increases. A slow night is usually just as good as a busy night. This is deffinately the case with the most busy messe nights.
Girls expect more guys during the big Messe like IAA or Automech. That's why there are more girls and guys. That means long wait for rooms to take affect. Last year(2015) was IAA (which has greater attendance than Automech), which would explain the longer wait for rooms(larger crowds) than the year prior. The lines started earlier as well. There may have been some hype due to the great attendance of girls from the year prior.
2014 Automech LU was outstanding. Drew girls from other clubs that includes Sharks and World. Automech 2014 had high attendance. Many of the girls in attendance were those that started at Oase throughout the year, so Automech just had the best attendance of girls. There were girls I didn't see on other visits, and therefore many takers. 2015 Automech on the other hand, didn't change all that much. The LU was similar to the year prior.
I'm thinking this year Sharks will be on the spotlight. Likely, greater crowds there during Automech this year. Girls know which is the popular club in the area (and Sharks has been gaining popularity), and they'd likely get drawn to that club during the Messe.
Interestingly, Mainhattan (A city club!) Wasn't that busy on IAA night. Certainly not even close to Oase (which is outside the city, further away from Messe center like Sharks). Met a beautiful and humble girl name Sarah(humbly working at Mainhattan at the time, now Megan at Sharks), during that time.
Good earning potential for a lot of girls with a large crowd, and there will be lots of tourists around. It will be a seller's market. Clubs with tourists, girls are accustomed to dealing with those types. It's all about what types of clientele girls are used to dealing with that creates how they deal with other tourists.
Hessen Bub
09-01-16, 06:43
I'm thinking this year Sharks will be on the spotlight. Likely, greater crowds there during Automech this year. Girls know which is the popular club in the area (and Sharks has been gaining popularity), and they'd likely get drawn to that club during the Messe.
I don't think so. Sharks doesn't get that many visitors from Messe Frankfurt. There's some who got wheels, but only few guys are taking a cab to Darmstadt. Too far. Palace. Oase. Mainhattan. Those are the Messe clubs.
HB.
I remember last year for IAA, on mid September, girls were not busy at Mainhattan or Sharks, and said: lower business than out of IAA. Blond Cristina tried Mainhattan at this time, with blond Bella.
I remember last year for IAA, on mid September, girls were not busy at Mainhattan or Sharks, and said: lower business than out of IAA. Blond Cristina tried Mainhattan at this time, with blond Bella.Last year IAA was a big disappointment for the girls. At Oase and Mainhattan more girls than usual but more guys? No I didn't realise on guys number that it was Messe time.
Last year IAA was a big disappointment for the girls. At Oase and Mainhattan more girls than usual but more guys? No I didn't realise on guys number that it was Messe time.Even less clients during IAA, said the girl, but it was good for me with my jolie Sara at Mainhattan, and on a Monday, in the garden, with Karolina. Pol, at Sharks.
I usually try to avoid messe dates by about a week. That way selection seems to be good, and I also avoid the most hectic days. And hotel prices are sometimes lower too, and it isn't fully booked long in advance. Then again, some messe attendances seems to be more inclined to slip over to the FKK's than others. No idea about cars, but book lovers for example seems to be drawn to FKK's. Not to mention sex messe's like Venus in Berlin :)
I do wonder though. With recent experiences at Oase, the girls doesn't seem all that strict on the upselling being voiced here on the forum by some. And I think it could easily stop. Only two of my favourites top 10 optics still try that on me there as two others dropped it on the 2nd session, and I kinda feel that the girls sense the competition from other clubs where service levels has had higher review rates lately. So there is a conflict among the girls I feel. In the end, they would loose if people moved elsewhere, so if you just talk to the girls up front, alot of these lookers at Oase will give just as good service as anywhere else. And Oase is #1 at optics no doubt these days when every girl is around. Only reason to go to other clubs for me these days is the 1-3 top girls at artemis/sharks/oceans. But diversity in top 10 in those other clubs are way worse...
Short layover in FRA airport and had previously decided that I'd rather get out to Oase for 2 hours and not spend 7 hours in the airport.
Got there right at opening 10:00 am and had two hours scheduled.
Met first with Alina. Romanian. She said we had met before, wish I had remembered her. What a disappointment. OK BBBJ, tried to upsell me for DFK, said I would stay with her for an hour if she did, she said OK. After 20 minutes I realized she had no intention of doing anything similar to DFK so I said lets go, I'm tired. Hit me up for $100 claiming 50 E was for kissing. Chose not to argue the point with her, there were few girls there that early and I didn't want her to ruin my fun with the other ones.
Next was Diama. Dominican Republic. Great oral. Amazing DFK and ever so soft full lips. Fucked her like a porn star. She DFK'd but no eating at the why, that was her upsell. I was having too much fun with her for that to bother me. Great round soft ass and great full lips, shame she had implants!
Be back on the 17th!
I noticed upselling from all the girls I interacted with at a recent visit. Maybe not so hard but still noticeable. The girls also complained business was down without connecting the dots.
I do wonder though. With recent experiences at Oase, the girls doesn't seem all that strict on the upselling being voiced here on the forum by some. And I think it could easily stop. Only two of my favourites top 10 optics still try that on me there as two others dropped it on the 2nd session, and I kinda feel that the girls sense the competition from other clubs where service levels has had higher review rates lately. So there is a conflict among the girls I feel.
Next was Diana. Dominican Republic. Great oral. Amazing DFK and ever so soft full lips. Fucked her like a porn star. She DFK'd but no eating at the why, that was her upsell. I was having too much fun with her for that to bother me. Great round soft ass and great full lips, shame she had implants!
Ha Ha. Diana provides/allows DATY for me no problem, no upsell. However I am an old customer. Maybe because its known I take an hour session. I did not rate her BBBJ quite so highly. Not soft enough to be top class for me.
I start to wonder with so much upsell going on, how many customers end up paying 100 for 30 minutes or less, when I am paying 100 for the hour without the upsell fees. If guys are paying 100, they may as well take the hour. LOL I always wanted the hour, in any case. Not a fast worker.
I usually try to avoid messe dates by about a week. That way selection seems to be good, and I also avoid the most hectic days. And hotel prices are sometimes lower too, and it isn't fully booked long in advance. Then again, some messe attendances seems to be more inclined to slip over to the FKK's than others. No idea about cars, but book lovers for example seems to be drawn to FKK's. Not to mention sex messe's like Venus in Berlin :)Yes Hotel price problems is the real reason to avoid the large scale Messe events. Forget about the effect on the clubs. Just do not arrive too late in the evening. I never saw the need to stay away from Oase when Messe events were on. Late in evening when started to get too many guys arriving, some years, then that was my time to leave.
Ha Ha. Diana provides/allows DATY for me no problem, no upsell. However I am an old customer. Maybe because its known I take an hour session. I did not rate her BBBJ quite so highly. Not soft enough to be top class for me.
I start to wonder with so much upsell going on, how many customers end up paying 100 for 30 minutes or less, when I am paying 100 for the hour without the upsell fees. If guys are paying 100, they may as well take the hour. LOL I always wanted the hour, in any case. Not a fast worker.I prefer an hour as well and find that the women are friendlier and more relaxed. Problem on Saturday was that I had a hard stop at 12:30; needed to be back at the airport for my connecting flight. More bothered that I didn't remember Alina than I am about Diana.
Haven't been to Sharks, are the girls the same there with the upsell?
Haven't been to Sharks, are the girls the same there with the upsell?I really think there was always less upsell at Sharks. Doesn't mean they are happy with a 50 Euro session though. Doesn't mean they are less aggressive. I have had more girls try to sit on my lap uninvited at Sharks and World than at Oase. Maybe I don't sit down at Oase that much except on the high stools with a table at my lap or in the restaurant. That works. LOL. Also you can escape to the Relax area if there are no pest customers annoying you in there.
Also you can escape to the Relax area if there are no pest customers annoying you in there.Saw something I've never seen at Oase this weekend- a girl snuggling with a guy on a lounger in the relax zone.
Also saw something else, a long haired adonis bareback fucking his female date (who looked like a middle aged pudgy lesbian to me) up the arse in the shower of the sauna hut. I was sitting in the sauna at the time and enjoyed the look of shock on punters faces as they tried to use the shower.
Turkish guy with blonde german GF? Both around 40 yrs old? Somehow I've seen them plenty of times doing it at Oase. Especially in the jacuuzi.
Saw something I've never seen at Oase this weekend- a girl snuggling with a guy on a lounger in the relax zone.
Also saw something else, a long haired adonis bareback fucking his female date (who looked like a middle aged pudgy lesbian to me) up the arse in the shower of the sauna hut. I was sitting in the sauna at the time and enjoyed the look of shock on punters faces as they tried to use the shower.Was there any up-sell though?
Member #4585
09-05-16, 23:30
Turkish guy with blonde german GF? Both around 40 yrs old? Somehow I've seen them plenty of times doing it at Oase. Especially in the jacuuzi.I am so glad that I do not use the Jacuzzi.
Member #4585
09-06-16, 00:07
I have seen girls in the relax zone at Oase but only in the company of a male guest. Usually the girl is sitting on an adjacent lounger or if a bit frisky sitting on the lap of the man.
Saw something I've never seen at Oase this weekend- a girl snuggling with a guy on a lounger in the relax zone.As I already wrote here two years ago girls are allowed at 16th chapel with invitation of a client. Top class russian Steffie spend many hours there.
Member #4581
09-06-16, 03:35
Yes Hotel price problems is the real reason to avoid the large scale Messe events. Forget about the effect on the clubs. Just do not arrive too late in the evening. I never saw the need to stay away from Oase when Messe events were on. Late in evening when started to get too many guys arriving, some years, then that was my time to leave.Approximately a year ago, I had the unfortunate (unintentionally) timing of scheduling my visit to Frankfurt during some messe event. Most hotels were fully booked, even in Darmstadt. With great difficulty I booked a room in my hotel at more than double the rate I normally pay (I have stayed at this hotel several times in various months, so I know the going rate quite well). As it were, I had some last minute issue, and had to postpone my visit by a week, and the rascals refused to give my any credit. They knew I was not coming, so they probably rented it someone else promptly, perhaps at a higher rate even, as I canceled a couple of days before I was scheduled to fly in.
I wish I could say lesson learned, except that there was not much to learn. Obviously, if I could help it, I would not go during messe, but the timing of my visits is not always in my control.
Saw something I've never seen at Oase this weekend- a girl snuggling with a guy on a lounger in the relax zone.
Also saw something else, a long haired adonis bareback fucking his female date (who looked like a middle aged pudgy lesbian to me) up the arse in the shower of the sauna hut. I was sitting in the sauna at the time and enjoyed the look of shock on punters faces as they tried to use the shower.If that doesn't get you hard, nothing will.
Saw something I've never seen at Oase this weekend- a girl snuggling with a guy on a lounger in the relax zone.
Also saw something else, a long haired adonis bareback fucking his female date (who looked like a middle aged pudgy lesbian to me) up the arse in the shower of the sauna hut. I was sitting in the sauna at the time and enjoyed the look of shock on punters faces as they tried to use the shower. Delete duplicate post.
. Obviously, if I could help it, I would not go during messe, but the timing of my visits is not always in my control.But on the other end of the scale the lineups are all at peak during messe times. Its the best time to go if you don't mind staying out in the country, but im betting your one of the guys who use public transportation and don't rent a car on your trips.
Member #4581
09-06-16, 19:58
But on the other end of the scale the lineups are all at peak during messe times. Its the best time to go if you don't mind staying out in the country, but im betting your one of the guys who use public transportation and don't rent a car on your trips.I rent a car sometimes or just take a taxi otherwise. I don't walk or take trains, but always I stay close to the club whether I rent a car or take taxi. Since I stay in the clubs till late in the night, it makes more sense for me to stay close and not have a long drive that late. So, I do a day or two in Oase and stay at Mercure or Tagungs and then a few days at sharks and check into one of the hotels close to the train station.
That said, on that occasion I discussed below, even the hotels far away seemed expensive. I looked at hotels ten to fifteen miles north of Freidrichsdorf and they were all 50% above normal rates.
In any case, as I said, the timing of my visits to Germany is not in my control. I do want to visit during messe, especially Oase, as I heard there is a lot of public sex (Dufey mentioned this a few times) and hopefully I can do that some time.
Hessen Bub
09-06-16, 20:14
Messe is fine. Come early. Leave at 10 pm. Great line up. Messe folks show up late. Or go the day before Messe.
HB.
ExpatLover
09-06-16, 20:15
But on the other end of the scale the lineups are all at peak during messe times. Its the best time to go if you don't mind staying out in the country, but im betting your one of the guys who use public transportation and don't rent a car on your trips.Don't recommend you to go there if you can choose another time slot, met a girl last year who told me that she had done so many BJ during those days that she had strong pain in her mouth and needed to visit a doctor, may be for relax atmosphere and good service it will not be the best time.
Messe is fine. Come early. Leave at 10 pm. Great line up. Messe folks show up late. Or go the day before Messe.
HB.When are Messe? To organize clubs visits.
Woodypussy1967
09-07-16, 17:47
In the past there were some useful lists with the line-ups of current girls? Were the forbidden?
When are Messe? To organize clubs visits.Here is all you need: Frankfurt's official Messe calendar. Enjoy! http://www.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en/besucher/news/news-messekalender.html.
Key dates for Automechanika 2016 are 13th- 17th September. Usually some great, great times to be had. Just follow HB's advice. And note that some girls can be pretty sharky when the crowds arrive.
Scary stories about crowds, long waiting time for rooms and tired girls are to a large extent exaggerated. I cannot recall any serious issues in this respect for many years (since the renovation when the capacity of the club was increased by around 40- 50% and the arise of "new" clubs like Mainhattan and Sharks). But for those who remember 2004- 08 ... boy, that was something else!
PussyLiccker
09-07-16, 18:55
Were you there last year?
I was there. We can be more specific. Fri and Sat long wait for rooms. Last year, wait for rooms was 1 HR. The line for the wait for room extended to the kino-lounge area at about 730pm. So yeah, expect large crowds at night. That weekend will be the busiest time of the year.
Were you there last year?
I was there. We can be more specific. Fri and Sat long wait for rooms. Last year, wait for rooms was 1 HR. The line for the wait for room extended to the kino-lounge area at about 730pm. So yeah, expect large crowds at night. That weekend will be the busiest time of the year.Well, in 2004- 08 30- 60 mnts wait for rooms were standards many weekend night of the year. And that's not a line. That's pure fun (taking care of your girl without paying). From 10 pm on a Friday / Saturday night during Automechanika in those days there was not a single girl in sight. It was a sausage fest standing room only. By midnight most girls gave up and went home. Capiche?
Here is all you need: Frankfurt's official Messe calendar. Enjoy! http://www.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en/besucher/news/news-messekalender.html.
Key dates for Automechanika 2016 are 13th- 17th September. Usually some great, great times to be had. Thanks. Wish for girls better business than last year IAA.
Banana Boi
09-07-16, 19:48
In the past there were some useful lists with the line-ups of current girls? Were the forbidden?Syzygies is in Thailand now.
ExpatLover
09-07-16, 20:39
Were you there last year?
I was there. We can be more specific. Fri and Sat long wait for rooms. Last year, wait for rooms was 1 HR. The line for the wait for room extended to the kino-lounge area at about 730pm. So yeah, expect large crowds at night. That weekend will be the busiest time of the year.Fully agree with you may be in the morning or early afternoon but the evening will be very crowded this is at least my experiences.
Kliens. Great that you realised that Romanians use "chocolate" as a friendly term. It is very widespread and positive. Glad you had a good time.Oops, I missed this before! It was a little surprising, but it's hard to be too upset by a smiling naked woman calling you a cute name.
One question, though (and I hope this isn't too explicit at Oase and Mainhattan, I was told that CIM was more like an HJ into an open mouth, like in porn. That seems odd. Is that standard in most / all Frankfurt FKKs? In any case, I can't wait to go back and hopefully contribute with reviews and advice of my own!
TankTank123
09-09-16, 07:09
Oops, I missed this before! It was a little surprising, but it's hard to be too upset by a smiling naked woman calling you a cute name.
One question, though (and I hope this isn't too explicit at Oase and Mainhattan, I was told that CIM was more like an HJ into an open mouth, like in porn. That seems odd. Is that standard in most / all Frankfurt FKKs? In any case, I can't wait to go back and hopefully contribute with reviews and advice of my own!Conversely, quite a few black girls had come to me asking "Do you want hot chocolate?". And earlier this year, one from Babylon told me "Take me, top porn chocolate!".
CIM is blowjob to ejeculation. But be aware that there are 2 varieties; one where the girl swallows, and one where the girl spits it out dampening the mood, quite unlike porn movies.
Conversely, quite a few black girls had come to me asking "Do you want hot chocolate?". And earlier this year, one from Babylon told me "Take me, top porn chocolate!".
Yes, CIM is mouth job. But be aware that there are 2 varieties; one where the girl swallows, and one where the girl spits it out dampening the mood, quite unlike porn movies.Yes, TankTank123 there is a third type of CIM. The first two I agree with you. The third is when you shoot your load unexpectantly deep into a girl's throat that she begins to make this "kacking" noise to try and get it out of her. Slightly different from the one where she just simply spits it out onto a paper towel. One time I shot some up into a girl's throat and up her nose that she has some run out of her nostrils. She just let everything run out, and her facial expression was golden! The look of shock, much like a deer in headlights.
FiddyCent.
CIM is blowjob to ejeculation. But be aware that there are 2 varieties; one where the girl swallows, and one where the girl spits it out dampening the mood, quite unlike porn movies.Why does it dampen the mood? And especially why does it have to mimic porn movies?
Things expelled are waste products. Sperm is of no further use, except for pregnancy. Gooey and sticky and smells bad. Girls could swap it you and you can swallow it(to avoid wasting it and killing the mood).
Why does it dampen the mood? And especially why does it have to mimic porn movies?
Things expelled are waste products. Sperm is of no further use, except for pregnancy. Gooey and sticky and smells bad. Girls could swap it you and you can swallow it(to avoid wasting it and killing the mood).Some girls would spit it on there tits, if you ask nicely. Swallow is extra, in addition CIM, if they agree. Syzy; sperm kiss is also extra. I am not sure what happens if she allows you to swallow, LOL.
TankTank123
09-09-16, 11:35
And especially why does it have to mimic porn movies?Because Klein indicated that he would revisit Oase on the basis that CIM would be 'like in porn' movies.
I was therefore just forewarning him that he must choose his girls carefully by predetermining whether or not they are going to spit it out. Although the only porn movies I have seen are those I was forced to notice in the rooms in FKKs, I do not recall any where the girl spits out the ejeculate!
But I am sure he will enjoy the 3rd variety mentioned by Fiddycent even more even though I doubt that it had been shown in any porn movie.
Hessen Bub
09-09-16, 14:29
I don't mind the girls spitting it out. Swallowing is not part of the 50€ extra for CIM. I mind it the girl as soon as the first drop hits her mouth more or less pulls away and does more or less cum on lips and not cum in mouth. CIM should be worth the 50€ extra (in Hessen, 25€ in NRW), so she should suck until the last drop is out and even longer and at least act as if she enjoys it. And by the way: cum doesn't have to taste that bad, I've tried mine often enough when kissing a girl after CIM.
HB.
I don't mind the girls spitting it out. Swallowing is not part of the 50 extra for CIM. I mind it the girl as soon as the first drop hits her mouth more or less pulls away and does more or less cum on lips and not cum in mouth. CIM should be worth the 50 extra (in Hessen, 25 in NRW), so she should suck until the last drop is out and even longer and at least act as if she enjoys it. And by the way: cum doesn't have to taste that bad, I've tried mine often enough when kissing a girl after CIM.
HB.It is your smell, but not for the girl. Do you want she says she loves you with the last drop?
If I CIM my girls, I couldn't really play my game, fortunately BJ skill won't make me cum.
I tried mine also once when I was aiming for the rubber bin and was about to wrap the paper with an unknit condom full of my own sperm and it flew right at my mouth. Didn't hit the bin, but landed nicely in my own mouth. Safe to say, it is just like salty water. Perhaps it is worse for them if you have 2 weeks saved sperm that may be slighly yellow as some might have.
My best girls at Oase:
And 1: Tatiana. Ru, not the prettiest face, but an exceptional GF with good breathe for 2 hours rooms, until her Christmas present. She may return.
And 2: Ina. Lat, just a sweet candy, so kind, I liked so much speaking Russian with her, I couldn't much with Tatiana because kissing all along. Ina should teach to all FKK girls: Honesty, respect, ethic, kindness and skill to take care of a man. When she was at GT on summer 2013 , she respected rate, 25 since second half hour, You could have her for 3 hours for 175 . Wish her the best at home.
And 3: Maria Platinum for our about 10 rooms on 1 month, July 2014 , with our second room in kiosque above swimming pool. Nice girl, I loved her tits, so sexy when she was in the garden.
Some other girls: Roxana for amazing doggy with her vagina lips, Suginella can perform good if she wants, very friendly Elisabet. Cz, thanks for pizza, Lexi met on her third day and losing control, never wanted we repeat, Sabina for her beautiful, smiling face and also friendly.
Bad level for Anya claiming to be Russian. Many girls not woman and skillful enough for me.Anya- agree 100%. Competing for the worst FKK session I have ever had. Claims to be Russian. And didn't do anything in the room. Because I like the optics, I gave her almost an hour and very gentle behavior, but she is really a bad performer. Awful session. Very beautiful IMO, shame.
Because Klein indicated that he would revisit Oase on the basis that CIM would be 'like in porn' movies.
I was therefore just forewarning him that he must choose his girls carefully by predetermining whether or not they are going to spit it out. Although the only porn movies I have seen are those I was forced to notice in the rooms in FKKs, I do not recall any where the girl spits out the ejeculate!
But I am sure he will enjoy the 3rd variety mentioned by Fiddycent even more even though I doubt that it had been shown in any porn movie.Ah, allow me to clarify: I don't really care if they spit or swallow, as long as I'm actually IN their mouth when I finish. What I meant by "porn" is the type of porn scene cum shot where the girl opens her mouth wide, sticks out her tongue, and jacks the guy off into her mouth. It may look impressive, but it doesn't feel as good to me. Hadn't experienced that anywhere else, but was told by girls that was the standard at both Oase and Mainhattan.
Anya- agree 100%. Competing for the worst FKK session I have ever had. Claims to be Russian. And didn't do anything in the room. Because I like the optics, I gave her almost an hour and very gentle behavior, but she is really a bad performer. Awful session. Very beautiful IMO, shame.Not Russian, beautiful face and ass, but bad silicon, I hate silicon and lies about where they come from, they should be proud of their origins.
Neurosynth
09-10-16, 06:39
Ah, allow me to clarify: I don't really care if they spit or swallow, as long as I'm actually IN their mouth when I finish. What I meant by "porn" is the type of porn scene cum shot where the girl opens her mouth wide, sticks out her tongue, and jacks the guy off into her mouth. It may look impressive, but it doesn't feel as good to me. Hadn't experienced that anywhere else, but was told by girls that was the standard at both Oase and Mainhattan.It's a basic porn production principle that you film what looks good to the viewer, not what feels good to the "actors. ".
It's a basic porn production principle that you film what looks good to the viewer, not what feels good to the "actors.".True, so dicks don't go deeply, to show us dick entering in vagina or ass, girls get cum on face or tongue to show us cum, for those who don t know how work a dick which end cumming. Just a show, not sex.
For my rooms, I always turn off porn TV and girls say: thank you, not at all my game.
Hessen Bub
09-10-16, 12:39
It is your smell, but not for the girl. Do you want she says she loves you with the last drop?
Usually they do. After they swallowed for free and licked my dick and balls clean.
HB.
PS: in Hessen they charge 50€ extra for CIM. Nobody forces them to do it. But it's good money, same as for a full 30min session.
Some girls would spit it on there tits, if you ask nicely. Swallow is extra, in addition CIM, if they agree. Syzy; sperm kiss is also extra. I am not sure what happens if she allows you to swallow, LOL.Nope, I am definitely not into consuming bodily waste products, including sperm. I have been known to spit out pussy substances too. I am also not into trying to get girls to swallow. Completely their choice. I am not too "porn movie" brainwashed either, so I guess I am a very conservative customer, looking for beauty, eroticism, sexiness, and other basics, hopefully things that girls can enjoy too, if possible, or at least tolerate easily. I never ask the girl for her ass, and close to 99% of them do not offer it either. Last one to offer me her ask was Diana (DomR) probably 18 months ago, and that was because I was having some problems to fuck her pussy (very very tight at the time). LOL.
Usually they do. After they swallowed for free and licked my dick and balls clean.
HB.
PS: in Hessen they charge 50 extra for CIM. Nobody forces them to do it. But it's good money, same as for a full 30min session.At Oase, many girls try to have 10 mn room for 50+50 finishing in mouth, without fucking, but many of my FKK regulars ask me to say to them before cumming in mouth, and I prefer to fuck them, eyes in eyes, then I can see how they love me.
True, so dicks don't go deeply, to show us dick entering in vagina or ass, girls get cum on face or tongue to show us cum, for those who don t know how work a dick which end cumming. Just a show, not sex.
.Will change in future with in-mouth - , in-pussy - , and in-ass camera at porno movies. LOL.
Hessen Bub
09-10-16, 17:23
Atand I prefer to fuck them, eyes in eyes, then I can see how they love me.They'd love you even more if you came in their mouth and paid 50€ more.
HB.
At Oase, many girls try to have 10 mn room for 50+50 finishing in mouth, without fucking, but many of my FKK regulars ask me to say to them before cumming in mouth, and I prefer to fuck them, eyes in eyes, then I can see how they love me.That's hilarious considering how far from the truth it is.
They'd love you even more if you came in their mouth and paid 50 more.
HB.And even more if you fuck them in the ass and pay 100 e more, LOL.
Carpaccio18
09-10-16, 19:17
Ah, allow me to clarify: I don't really care if they spit or swallow, as long as I'm actually IN their mouth when I finish. What I meant by "porn" is the type of porn scene cum shot where the girl opens her mouth wide, sticks out her tongue, and jacks the guy off into her mouth. It may look impressive, but it doesn't feel as good to me. Hadn't experienced that anywhere else, but was told by girls that was the standard at both Oase and Mainhattan.I hate it when the girl start working your dick like that pretending to be a pornstar, moaning at the same time. Big turn off. Doesn't make sense to moan when I'm not even touching her.
Hell, I don't even like watching that kind of porn.
ElephantBeer
09-10-16, 19:48
Visited Sharks, Mainhattan and about gave up on FKK (since I prefer AO) - however took the chance today and went out to Oase. Glad I did!
Took the S5 to the end, pretty easy since I've been taking the S2 to Dietzenbach. However there's a few tickets available to the end of the line S5. One costs around $4. 50 and the other $8. I grabbed the $4 and hoped I was doing the right thing. Wouldn't get busted for 60 e fine.
$10 taxi ride from station / $11 on way back. Plenty of taxis waiting.
Older German lady sat beside me on way out an bemoaned the changes in Germany. All the Syrians, as we watched 4 cops chasing some immigrant-looking folks around one of the stops. She was quite vocal even tho we were surrounded by the folks she was upset by. Seems like the last few stops before Oase have been undergoing 'gentrification' ehm.
Walking into Oase was great. Better than walking into Disney as a kid. Huge blowups of nude ladies with all their bits showing. Inside wasn't as impressed. Thought Sharks had a better layout and for sure Shark's outdoor area rocks compared to Oase.
I did like the kino better at Oase, and all the winding halls. At the end of the day I (for some reason) preferred Oase for mongering and Sharks for chilling and healthy dose of eye candy.
Girls:
Without a doubt Sharks had more stunners, but Oase had more girls, and they tended to be a bit more slutty. Also a bit more aggressive salesmanship. I took a new girl (new to Oase not new to the scene) - Fantastic long blowjob in room, (like licking ice cream. That happened to be her fave flavor), 30 m = 50 e, I didn't tip.
Took her again for an hour a bit later, thinking we would sit by pool and get down in the tents but it didn't work like that. Instead she smoked 2 cigarettes inside and went to the room. A repeat performance. She didn't like dining at why cause I have goatee, and she kept one hand down covering her clit I assume to protect her bits and prolong their longevity thru a long day of pounding. Still her BJ was awesome and body rocking.
Did a BJ from a blonde girl in the Kino. She really worked hard changing up the positions, but just couldn't cross with various people giving the eyeball (or my perception).
Total- $270. Got off lightly I think. Would he easy to blow 500+ in Oase and have fun.
One negative note was an older guy (VIP), he brought along a younger friend and I guess friend was drunk. They were all playing in pool. Then younger dude (now out of pool) dipped his head between the legs of a gal and picked her up on his shoulders, she shouted 'no, not here, not here' twice to him. Since they were over the ground but he ignored her. He promptly walked over to pool and tried to dump her in the pool but she landed on the side of the pool on her spine. Fuck! There's like a 1" metal rim that runs around the pool and she landed dead on it. I was thinking she broke her spine, at least some ribs.
She looked miserable, was in the pool crying for quite a while, then they moved her to a lounge chair. Eventually brought her ice before taking her off inside. She should have been taken to the hospital immediately for X rays.
The young guy was kind of a dick. He came over to the table and said 'she'll be okay, she'll probably take a rest and be back out in a few hours' - he just fucked her shit up and she won't be working for a week (weeks) at least. All cause he was being a dork and treating the girls like playthings instead of humans. (sigh).
I don't know what makes a VIP at Oase, I see they have a closed off area. Anyone know?
I'm not a fan of condoms, I just can't cross. I prefer bareback and then pull out and cum on stomach or tits. (plus I'm snipped) This works well in Asia but not here. Anyway. Gave it try today and had a good time. Would recommend anyone coming to FRA to hit Oase and Sharks and give them a try. The girls were great eye-candy.
They'd love you even more if you came in their mouth and paid 50 more.
HB.So, I badly choose my girls because most ask me not to cum in their mouth, not my fantasy.
PussyLiccker
09-10-16, 22:17
CIM can be exciting, yes. I like it when the girl continuously work it with her tongue even after I shoot (one girl licked it all off, which was excitin. Hehe.). If she's got her mouth wrapped up, and you shoot, that's different.
One girl I was with recently took it in, and pulled her head up, and she made visibly aware she was swallowing. I looked at her with wonderment. LOL. Caught me by surprise since I had not asked her to swallow as it's no biggie. Cool of her, nonetheless.
Yeah, fake moaning doesn't turn me on. Like the obvious fake PSE crap like girl rubbing her pussy and moaning.
Neurosynth
09-11-16, 00:57
Yeah I hate that porno fakery too. What I do is immediately stop, wag my finger a little bit, and then calmly say "no Hollywood, no Hollywood. " I say it that way because it's quick and most girls get it even if they barely speak English. Inevitably when we start up again after a bit there will be those quieter but involuntary little grunts I want to hear.
ElephantBeer: I missed the fall of that girl, but I was told she couldn't breeth if she moved just a little bit. They tried to put ice on her spine as well when I came out... Didn't look good at all. One thing is to be silly and play like that. The guy seemed to have money (or his boss did), but someone at the club needs to get real and take charge and get an ambulance no matter what the girls say. Trying to walk out like that is stupid. She should lay down right away.
LU was a bit down from late July, but it was ok. I do agree Sharks LU this week is a bit above Oase LU.
Missing girls from July were May, Chayenne, Adelle (the short one, not the tall Adelle as she was there), Cami, Mira, Ellie, Emma (at sharks now).
Only additions since last that I liked was Raissa (new at Oase) and Sarah (not new to the club).
Some other girls around were: Laura, Denise, Antonia, Deborah (now with crazy curls), Carla (with black hair), Amina (with Deniz tatoo), Vera, that dominican girl etc.
There were actually tons of new girls around. Probably 15 or so. But most were just 4-6s I felt... so didnt feel good in regards to the club if the LU is on its way down. In terms of numbers it was good. But that doesnt matter if most are just fillers...
I don't know what makes a VIP at Oase, I see they have a closed off area. Anyone know?.To become VIP there you need only some money spending at club.
ElephantBeer
09-11-16, 06:39
ElephantBeer: I missed the fall of that girl, but I was told she couldn't breeth if she moved just a little bit. They tried to put ice on her spine as well when I came out... Didn't look good at all. One thing is to be silly and play like that. The guy seemed to have money (or his boss did), but someone at the club needs to get real and take charge and get an ambulance no matter what the girls say. Trying to walk out like that is stupid. She should lay down right away.It was a truly miserable fall, imagine being body-slammed from over 6' onto a 1" flat metal rail. On your spine and ribs.
I surely hope they got her to the hospital. For those kinds of injuries sooner is always better than later. She surely didn't deserve it. The 3 security guys looked like a bad cartoon, talking into radio but doing nothing. Does no-one care about the girls? Free healthcare here. No?
The VIP guy appeared to have bought 3 bottles of Veuve (didn't finish one of them) so $400 e meh (but one of the girls told me he was there yesterday as well) - I don't care what he spent it wasn't worth the damage. It wasn't just 'one of those things' that happen, nor 'boys being boys' - the kid was an arrogant jerk and I felt he was over-compensating from being a small guy (primarily) and (hypothetically) in the company of the 'rich' dude.
Ruined much the day for me. Such a careless waste.
Went here with a fellow monger that I ran into (Saturday and Monday). First time at this FKK and I love it. Most girls upsell on kissing (DFK) and DATY but most will do it for an hour apt. There was this big natural breasted brunette that was half Italian (father's side) and half Romanian (mother's) that was much paler than the other girls there. I wish I remembered her name (if someone can recall, that would be great) but I had the best time with her in Oase. Wish she showed up earlier on Monday but she showed just before I had to leave for the airport and did not get a chance to repeat. Maybe will get to see her in the future (whenever that is). Overall Saturday was much better than Monday (limited girls in the early-mid afternoon) and also weather was better on Sat. And plenty of outside lounging around.
Not Russian, beautiful face and ass, but bad silicon, I hate silicon and lies about where they come from, they should be proud of their origins.Yep, she is very good looking IMO as well. She speaks Romanian with her friends. She 100% Romanian. Maybe she thinks that if she will claim to be Russian, it will render her unique / more appealing as compared to the Romanian majority.
Another tale of Oase: Laura (Blonde, skinny, furniture) took a sweet Asian boy to the room for 100 minutes (no extras) and charged him 500 Euro. Oase girls are greedy. Be careful newbies, LOL.
Visited Sharks, Mainhattan and about gave up on FKK (since I prefer AO) - however took the chance today and went out to Oase. Glad I did!
Took the S5 to the end, pretty easy since I've been taking the S2 to Dietzenbach. However there's a few tickets available to the end of the line S5. One costs around $4. 50 and the other $8. I grabbed the $4 and hoped I was doing the right thing. Wouldn't get busted for 60 e fine.
$10 taxi ride from station / $11 on way back. Plenty of taxis waiting.
Older German lady sat beside me on way out an bemoaned the changes in Germany. All the Syrians, as we watched 4 cops chasing some immigrant-looking folks around one of the stops. She was quite vocal even tho we were surrounded by the folks she was upset by. Seems like the last few stops before Oase have been undergoing 'gentrification' ehm.
Walking into Oase was great. Better than walking into Disney as a kid. Huge blowups of nude ladies with all their bits showing. Inside wasn't as impressed. Thought Sharks had a better layout and for sure Shark's outdoor area rocks compared to Oase...Define VIP's: Pay a lot? Come a lot? Come once a year and get a bottle? People that make too much noise and don't spend that much?
The kid was a bad kid or an asshole, but just reckless and irresponsible, sitting after and just looking without knowing what to do. At the end, she was cleared and everyone kept partying. Roxana, is the girl. Yes, she couldn't get enough air. Let's hope she is fine. Oase must have some procedures in place to protect the paying customers. The girls are also paying customers and what if this would be a male client? The security guys seemed to be the only people to show concern and really cared about her. I heard people at the reception saying that she doesn't want a hospital or an ambulance. Totally negligent! No one cares. This girl is probably here all alone and the club must assume responsibility!
Member #4581
09-11-16, 11:18
Wow, assuming that story is accurate, I guess it is fine in Germany for some random person to physically assault and maim another person and walk away Scot free? How is that possible? Intentional or not, it sounds like he really hurt her badly, and no charges were pressed?
Sounds worse than a third world dump.
Yeah I hate that porno fakery too. What I do is immediately stop, wag my finger a little bit, and then calmly say "no Hollywood, no Hollywood. " I say it that way because it's quick and most girls get it even if they barely speak English. Inevitably when we start up again after a bit there will be those quieter but involuntary little grunts I want to hear.I actually prefer total submission to porno fakery. For me a girl can be a starfish and I can still have an enjoyable experience with her. I find sexual chemistry to be quite mysterious. About six years ago I sessioned with a girl at Oase named Cassandra who has never been reported here. She was half African American, half German. She was cold as ice in the zimmer and refused me DATY; however, I really enjoyed banging her. On subsequent visits she would not even acknowledge me and mostly kept to herself. I would have done her again but felt obligated not to because of her icey attitude.
UltraHappy
09-11-16, 16:13
ElephantBeer: I missed the fall of that girl, but I was told she couldn't breeth if she moved just a little bit. They tried to put ice on her spine as well when I came out... Didn't look good at all. One thing is to be silly and play like that. The guy seemed to have money (or his boss did), but someone at the club needs to get real and take charge and get an ambulance no matter what the girls say. Trying to walk out like that is stupid. She should lay down right away.
That is so fucked up. I'm really disappointed in Oase that they didn't call an ambulance. That's downright recklessly careless to not call an ambulance in that type of situation.
This sounds really scary. Does anyone have an update on the poor girl's condition?
ExpatLover
09-11-16, 19:54
Define VIP's: Pay a lot? Come a lot? Come once a year and get a bottle? People that make too much noise and don't spend that much?
The kid was a bad kid or an asshole, but just reckless and irresponsible, sitting after and just looking without knowing what to do. At the end, she was cleared and everyone kept partying. Roxana, is the girl. Yes, she couldn't get enough air. Let's hope she is fine. Oase must have some procedures in place to protect the paying customers. The girls are also paying customers and what if this would be a male client? The security guys seemed to be the only people to show concern and really cared about her. I heard people at the reception saying that she doesn't want a hospital or an ambulance. Totally negligent! No one cares. This girl is probably here all alone and the club must assume responsibility!When the safety / life / health status of a girl or man is on the table no internal procedure will be above German federal laws which are quite clear, the life of the girl is the number one priority and all the staff members and customers have to do their maximum (calling the police, the ambulance, Notartz.) to help her if not they can face some very serious issues, it is really not a joke we have to take it seriously.
Maybe now is appropriate for me to say why I never go to Oase. I have heard so many bad things about the owner that I can't in all conscience go in. It would be no surprise for a girl to be assaulted and no action taken. I compare this to World and Golden Time where I have seen Security act speedily.
UltraHappy
09-11-16, 23:36
Maybe now is appropriate for me to say why I never go to Oase. I have heard so many bad things about the owner that I can't in all conscience go in. It would be no surprise for a girl to be assaulted and no action taken. I compare this to World and Golden Time where I have seen Security act speedily.Your choice of clubs as exemplary alternatives is odd. World is known for a high HA's presence. Indeed, several of my favorite girls in the past refuse to even consider going there on account of the obvious constant HA presence there.
As for GT, I avoid due to the lack of showers for the girls (none in their locker room I mean). Guys are jizzing all over these girls and they can't even install a shower in the girls locker room? Plus, I don't like their rule prohibiting under 21 Romanians. On top of that, their prevalence of gaytime is downright annoying (that is, excessively long room waits due to unfavorable ratios commonly occurring during certain times of the week).
I don't wish to start a debate regarding these aspects of World and GT -- This is the Oase thread after all, not the World and GT thread -- I just find this choice of ideal Oase alternatives odd -- that's all.
I suppose in the end, we all have our favorite clubs for our own particular reasons. Yes, every club has its own merits and disadvantages. It's too bad there's no one club with all the advantages and none of the downsides.
In any case, I hope the injured girl recovers well and soon. It's unfortunate that girls end up having to work with so many stupid drunk guys.
Maybe now is appropriate for me to say why I never go to Oase. I have heard so many bad things about the owner that I can't in all conscience go in. It would be no surprise for a girl to be assaulted and no action taken. I compare this to World and Golden Time where I have seen Security act speedily.Hmm sorry in this point I disagree especially with your comparison between Oase and World about this point. I've never heard a really bad story at Oase, even the opposite Mauro offers help if one of his girls need protection. Even in small things he protects his girls for instance he relinquish of some extra profit from gambling machines, he doesn't want his girls addicted with this.
Apparently the girl was asked if she needed an ambulance and she said 'no, she didn't want more fuzz', or something along those lines. I do believe another regular client I talked to called an ambulance though.
Still standardised rules should allways be applied in these situations. For the safety of the girls.
When it comes to Oase, the club seems to have gotten a bit too much unfavorable posts lately. Too much I feel as it isn't half as bad. Sure there are tourists easily tricked into overpaying. Perhaps asians especially, but this goes for most clubs I feel. And there won't be any less tourists in the future. Unless those new regulations ruins it next summer.
Craiova and Pistons and Ultrahappy. Fair points. I only commented from personal experience and secondhand stories and don't say as a fact that other clubs are necessarily better. I am often asked why I don't go to Oase, and so I commented for the first and last time.
UltraHappy. Yes, you are right, I know some very bad, and good, things about former HA leader at World. I was just commenting on what I know happened when on several occasions, a visitor is bad with a girl and there was a good security and care for girl response from the club.
Maybe I should have left the subject alone. But it is good to hear some positive comment about Mauro
UltraHappy. I wasn't suggesting GT is better for a visitor. In fact, I don't like it. I was just commenting on the Security response
Member #4585
09-12-16, 08:21
Another tale of Oase: Laura (Blonde, skinny, furniture) took a sweet Asian boy to the room for 100 minutes (no extras) and charged him 500 Euro. Oase girls are greedy. Be careful newbies, LOL.That is such a bad tale. This sort of negative behavior puts off visitors. Yes, Laura benefits and gets a jackpot windfall but is short termist with guys not coming back or become irate when they realise they have been duped perpetuating the bad reputation of the club. Some girls are really only in this for themselves and do not consider the consequences citing that all the other girls do the sayme or say that this is the correct price for their services. 50 euro is not enough in their minds.
suffice to add that Laura has been doing this trick for years asking for a lot more than the session is worth by inflating the time and claiming extras that are not extras compared to if she had applied the standard tariff. Laura also tends to ask for presents of cash and tips too.
Hessen Bub
09-12-16, 09:53
Some girls are really only in this for themselves and do not consider the consequences citing that all the other girls do the sayme or say that this is the correct price for their services. 50 euro is not enough in their minds.Sure they are in this for themselves. Why should they bother about the other girls? I'm fine with her overcharging a tourist / newbie as long as I have great sessions with her for 50 or 100 EUR (standard price). And I do. So I am happy there are tourists / big spenders subsidizing my pricing. LOL.
HB.
TankTank123
09-12-16, 11:22
suffice to add that Laura has been doing this trick for years asking for a lot more than the session is worth by inflating the time and claiming extras that are not extras compared to if she had applied the standard tariff.And sometimes her sister shouts to her advice on whether the customer is a gullible newbie! I have heard such shouting across the pool twice before; the girl I was with translated it for me.
Vito Corleone
09-12-16, 12:04
Sure they are in this for themselves. Why should they bother about the other girls? I'm fine with her overcharging a tourist / newbie as long as I have great sessions with her for 50 or 100 EUR (standard price). And I do. So I am happy there are tourists / big spenders subsidizing my pricing. LOL.
HB.That's why I encourage & promote tipping as it also subsidizes my pricing!
When the safety / life / health status of a girl or man is on the table no internal procedure will be above German federal laws which are quite clear, the life of the girl is the number one priority and all the staff members and customers have to do their maximum (calling the police, the ambulance, Notartz.) to help her if not they can face some very serious issues, it is really not a joke we have to take it seriously.Not a joke at all. I find it unsettling that a girl is injured and no one knows what to do. Regardless of laws, helping is the human thing to do.
Sure they are in this for themselves. Why should they bother about the other girls? I'm fine with her overcharging a tourist / newbie as long as I have great sessions with her for 50 or 100 EUR (standard price). And I do. So I am happy there are tourists / big spenders subsidizing my pricing. LOL.
HB.No is subsidizing your sex. This behavior in the long run has consequences for the club. Many girls at Oase only go with tourist or Asian. Other girls follow. Look at Palace years back and today. This behavior is not good for anyone.
Sure they are in this for themselves. Why should they bother about the other girls? I'm fine with her overcharging a tourist / newbie as long as I have great sessions with her for 50 or 100 EUR (standard price). And I do. So I am happy there are tourists / big spenders subsidizing my pricing. LOL.
HB.I would vote further; why not prepare here a list of the girl to stay away from in every club (the greedy, upselling, problems by lockers when paying, multiple reception issues). Maybe twist their arm in to better behavior / service.
The problem with that is that some of those girls actually does do great service to some of us even if their reputation is bad. So rooting them out completely could make some of my / and other visitors favourites leave since their income could fall. Ymmv...
Hessen Bub
09-12-16, 17:23
No is subsidizing your sex. This behavior in the long run has consequences for the club. Many girls at Oase only go with tourist or Asian. Other girls follow. Look at Palace years back and today. This behavior is not good for anyone.Girls with that kind of behavior have been around in many clubs also 10 of 12 years ago. As long as they do differentiate between local regulars and newbie tourists I'm fine. Some can. Some stupid ones can't.
HB.
Girls with that kind of behavior have been around in many clubs also 10 of 12 years ago. As long as they do differentiate between local regulars and newbie tourists I'm fine. Some can. Some stupid ones can't.
HB.I will not disagree, but the numbers are far greater today than back then. Oase is the extreme case from all clubs. IMO.
Yep, she is very good looking IMO as well. She speaks Romanian with her friends. She 100% Romanian. Maybe she thinks that if she will claim to be Russian, it will render her unique / more appealing as compared to the Romanian majority.
Another tale of Oase: Laura (Blonde, skinny, furniture) took a sweet Asian boy to the room for 100 minutes (no extras) and charged him 500 Euro. Oase girls are greedy. Be careful newbies, LOL.Anya claims to be Russian, but blond Roxana or even Suginella, even Romanians, are better in room, not only a pretty face and beautiful ass robot.
On first time I saw Laura Livia at the bar at Sharks on February 2014, she was with Isabella, so I chose Isabella and I still meet Isabella now. Laura and Juicy are smiling and friendly to chat, but not pretty face enough for my tastes, so can't say about their behavior in room, even often saw them at Sharks for Laura and Oase for both.
Girls with that kind of behavior have been around in many clubs also 10 of 12 years ago. As long as they do differentiate between local regulars and newbie tourists I'm fine. Some can. Some stupid ones can't.
HB.What was the percentage of newbie tourists 10-12 years ago? Went from probably 3% to 25%. Last few times at Oase, I heard almost no German being spoken, aside from a few regulars.
The problem with that is that some of those girls actually does do great service to some of us even if their reputation is bad. So rooting them out completely could make some of my / and other visitors favourites leave since their income could fall. Ymmv...They will not go anywhere. They love money too much and let us not forget even if they make 300 a day, that is a lot of money. The will not go anywhere even for 200 a day. That is 5000 a month, which is what day make in half a back home. Plus, many of them have husbands, kids, pimps and what not to sponsor. Also, you don't out them, but make a note to be aware and ask the right questions. I bet that if our Asian Colleague had read previously that Laura is a cheater, he would not fall into that trap. The warning is not about not going with these girls, it is about doing proper negotiation before going with them. We like them, but it will not hurt to educate them. You even have to discipline your children every once in a while when they go astray. IMO. So, this is about transparency and free and equal information to all market participants. Think of it as the efficient markets theory only applied at FKK.
Member #4585
09-13-16, 00:12
I will not disagree, but the numbers are far greater today than back then. Oase is the extreme case from all clubs. IMO.I agree with you Danny227. At Oase, there are more girls seeking to dupe a customer for whatever they can get from them. Laura is a prime example of one of those, and Juicy too if she is inducing her sister to fool the customers as well.
There is a predominance of girls now thinking that a 50 euro session is beneath them such that girls will do what they can to milk the session for more than 50 euro by up selling extra services or withholding services like DFK or DATY unless extra is paid.
This behavior makes me reluctant to return to Oase which is a shame as I have three more prepaid entry cards still to use up for Oase.
Member #4585
09-13-16, 00:32
Sure they are in this for themselves. Why should they bother about the other girls? I'm fine with her overcharging a tourist / newbie as long as I have great sessions with her for 50 or 100 EUR (standard price). Danny227 seems to address the short term and self centered view that you prescribe in his quote below.
No is subsidizing your sex. This behavior in the long run has consequences for the club. Many girls at Oase only go with tourist or Asian. Other girls follow. Look at Palace years back and today. This behavior is not good for anyone.To reiterate Danny227, allowing girls to just be in this for themselves does not in the long run benefit the punters. Eventually, with this attitude spreading to the wider group of girls, then actual prices as opposed to official prices will be higher as extras are built into tariffs such as extra for kissing, and extra for pussy licking as opposed to the standard extras of anal and come in mouth.
Further if the tourist market is starved off since they are not happy with being cheated on prices, who then will be continuing to keep the clubs buoyant? The same guys that attend the cheap entry days at World and Sharks?
Well said bitumen. I just saw a few 'tourists' this past week spend between 2000 and 3000 euro in one night at a few FKK's. I never see locals do the same. Perhaps bar the VIP groups that puts it on their company tabs. And these 3 tourists I saw that spent that much didn't get cheated either. They just had money to spend and not as much time as the locals. But give the tourists the idea that they get cheated and they won't return next year. (At least one of whom is a ghost reader here at isg too)
Member #4581
09-13-16, 03:47
After attending sharks on Friday and Saturday, I trudged up to Oase on Sunday. I rented my room close to Sharks, so Oase was a long drive, especially coming back late in the night. I would not have minded going to Sharks for 3 days in a row. But the lineup was somewhat disappointing, and I missed some of my fav girls. The parking situation was clearly a factor, and all the horror stories about sausage celebrations. I had initially expected to be busy with someone the whole day but that plan fell through due to some logistical issues last min.
In recent past, Sharks had been my top club, but I was pleasantly surprised with Oase. I thought the girls quality was better, especially given It was Sunday. I liked the new kino setup, that whole hall feels a bit more wider and less boxed in. Although still too dim and gloomy. The outdoor food facility was good. I was a bit pissed that they took off the paid pizza off the menu, but that's a small gripe.
Most importantly, there must have been 50/60 girls. Not bad for a Sunday. If I know the names of only a third of girls at Sharks, I know far fewer at Oase. Even the faces are new. Some girls I chatted with are below.
Antonia.
Aida.
Adele.
Hadina.
Evelyn.
Becky.
Tanya.
Cleo.
Claudia.
Vicky.
Maya.
Cheyenne.
Helena.
Sasha.
Raissa.
Michelle.
Laura.
There were a couple of Asian girls, one said half Thai and half Rom, forgot her name. Another who looked more fully Asian. Never got her name. Both looked cute.
In general, girls were pretty decent. I think the average quality was better than at Sharks. And the service was definitely not bad at all. Certainly no worse than Sharks whatsoever. OK, you can say that's a small sample but it is also a random sample.
I tried the last four girls on the list.
Sasha. She was in Spain I think for a few months and only recently moved to Oase. Romanian, 25, small piercing above right lip and a couple of tats on left hand down the leg, one has her boy's name in there. Tied her hair in the back into a pony tail. Small tits, and probably 165-170 cm. Nice smiling face. She is not a knock out, probably 7 on face and 8 on body. But wow, what service, she is absolutely willing to go the last mile to please her man. Gave me a quick blow job on the kino couch and went to the room for an hour. Began kissing me passionately, and I gave in, she was the 5th girl so far in my FKK like to have done DFK. Absolutely fabulous experience in one hour, and I finished or else I would have gone longer. Told her that she should look me up a bit later for an encore, and she came back to me smiling again, after less than 40 min as I was sitting in kino, and this time we went to the garden. The curtained chalets were a bit gloomy, so we moved to the far end and did in the open bed with a little umbrella top. Another hour of fabulous sex, although I could not finish - 3rd straight of FKK'ing is a bit too much these days for me. There were a few guys and one or two naked club girls playing volleyball less than 20 feet from us, while we fucked away blithely and blissfully ignorant of them. If someone had told me when I was growing up that such a thing could happen, I would have thought them nuts, but here I was. As if it was the most natural thing to do in the world. What a life. I think my work here is done.
Raissa. I vaguely remember reading reviews of this girl, and don't remember if they were good or bad. She had hit upon me early in the day but I was not interested. She approached me again, and this time I said yes. Truth be told, I knew I was not ready but it was my last club day and I wanted to sample as many girls as possible. She provided pretty decent service, including some nice BLS, but after 15 to 20 min, my man started going soft, and I just gave up. Not her fault however. She said she was 30 and she looks pretty good for her age.
Michelle. Another Romanian. Said she is 25, and has been at Oase for 2 years. Surprised I never saw her before. Her face to me, hands down, the prettiest in the 3 days of this trip, between Sharks and Oase. Body is not bad either, nice tits, and a curvy body but I prefer the Aurelia, younger Roxanna types. But by god, Michelle had a truly beautiful face for me, I have to say 9 or 9.5 on face. She volunteered that she does not do any kissing or other things unless extra money is paid, and I said fine not an issue. Minimal blow job, and she began riding cowgirl, first normal then reverse, and then some mish and doggie. Pretty intense fucking for 20,25 min, but no finish unfortunately. She is not one to admit defeat however, and took some hand lotion and removed the condom, and brought me to a climax. She said "I don't know why you go into rooms thinking it is not to finish, but for me that's not acceptable, and I won't let my man leave w / o finishing".
Last girl was Laura. A new one to Oase, she claimed. Half Rom, half Italian. Really big girl, at least 6 foot tall, and massive natural tits. Got to be D4. My natural specs are petite, small natural tit girls, and I normally reject girls like Laura, out of hand, with extreme prejudice LOL. But something about this girl was endearing. She is just 20 and talks like a small kid, and her English is not so good either. And I had no business being in the club, my dick was tired and sex was not pleasurable anymore but I am a greedy bastard after all, and my next trip is several months away. So, I succumbed to her charms, and we went. She did kiss me on lips voluntarily and DFK is on the cards for folks interested. I asked her to give a slow blow job, and she did do so, really really well. We tried a short cowgirl sex as well, but aborted that after 5 min, and she gave me another slow BJ, and we called it a day.
Thus ended my 3 day trip, one day shorter than my normal trips. Oase Sunday made up for disappointment at Sharks. 11 sessions in 3 days. I used to set a budget of 2000 euro per trip, and brought it down to 1500-1700 and on this trip, just barely made past the thousand mark. Even just 3 years ago, was doing 15-20 sessions in 4 days, now even 11 sessions in 3 days seemed like a chore. The declining productivity is quite depressing to be honest.
Member #4581
09-13-16, 04:01
I would vote further; why not prepare here a list of the girl to stay away from in every club (the greedy, upselling, problems by lockers when paying, multiple reception issues). Maybe twist their arm in to better behavior / service.That will never happen, nor will it work.
First, there is no universal agreement on who is a bad service provider. Many people think Janine provides weak service but there are some who think she is OK, yours truly among them.
Secondly, for understandable reasons, guys are happier to provide positive reviews and less so on providing neg reviews. And many regulars have openly admitted that they need to be careful about what they write, because their identity is somewhat blown already. Who wants to go out in the open, and forcefully argue that a specific girl is so bad, that she has to be placed on some "stay away warning list"?
High spenders are fine and are a bonus for girls and as HB says, help keep girls happy with their bread and butter locals.
Widespread cheating is a different matter. If successful it can spread and make girls unhappy with 50 euro sessions, since honest girls might feel they are being stupid. This is especially when the girls are from one country and can enforce new norms easily.
It is already the norm for girls to try to get a little bit extra by being creative on timekeeping: they very often tell me the small things they do with what they consider not nice customers. These same girls will however give a little extra time for customers they like so on balance they are keeping to the rules.
Hessen Bub
09-13-16, 07:01
I'd prefer a situation were all girls gave great passionate service including DFK, BBBJ, FIP and sex for 50/30 min. But this is a phantasy, it's not happening, it never happened. There's more and more inexperienced tourists in the clubs, willing to overpay as they get less service for higher price with non european girls in their home countries. They are ruining the FKK scene. The girls happily take their money, some of them even specialize in easy clients spending big money. Don't know how high the percentage of ISG readers is between FKK visitors, my estimate would be below 10%. So warnings have little effect. That's the current situation.
HB.
Anya claims to be Russian, but blond Roxana or even Suginella, even Romanians, are better in room, not only a pretty face and beautiful ass robot.
On first time I saw Laura Livia at the bar at Sharks on February 2014, she was with Isabella, so I chose Isabella and I still meet Isabella now. Laura and Juicy are smiling and friendly to chat, but not pretty face enough for my tastes, so can't say about their behavior in room, even often saw them at Sharks for Laura and Oase for both.I agree. I have had good fortune with Romanian gals, but, also, whether she is Russian or Romanian is not a consideration in the room decision. A weighted average of service and optics are the two main criteria, assuming cleanliness of course.
I'd prefer a situation were all girls gave great passionate service including DFK, BBBJ, FIP and sex for 50/30 min. But this is a phantasy, it's not happening, it never happened. There's more and more inexperienced tourists in the clubs, willing to overpay as they get less service for higher price with non european girls in their home countries. They are ruining the FKK scene. The girls happily take their money, some of them even specialize in easy clients spending big money. Don't know how high the percentage of ISG readers is between FKK visitors, my estimate would be below 10%. So warnings have little effect. That's the current situation.
HB.I think the percentage is higher than that. Every tourists that speaks with me mentions ISG. Everyone is doing research before travelling, including us when we go on fuck tours. Don't underestimate the power of internet information. In addition, let us not be extreme with only expecting all the services for 50 euro. 100 euro for DFK is also fair game. However, the problem is with the girls that cheat and in the room after the BJ reveal more information of what they don't do or at the end say 500 euro for 2 hours. If a girl states outside the room the true cost and service, that is at least fair and is not considered cheating. We do not have to buy the service, but putting us in the predicament after the session of choosing let make a big deal and go to reception or lets pay some extra and save the embarrassment. I can't count how many times in my last visit in Oase I see the girls receive money and say what? This is too little. You have to give me more and please what is with my present.
The cheaters do not deserve common courtesy.
Member #4585
09-13-16, 07:16
Widespread cheating is a different matter. If successful it can spread and make girls unhappy with 50 euro sessions, since honest girls might feel they are being stupid. This is especially when the girls are from one country and can enforce new norms easily.
It is already the norm for girls to try to get a little bit extra by being creative on timekeeping: they very often tell me the small things they do with what they consider not nice customers. These same girls will however give a little extra time for customers they like so on balance they are keeping to the rules.Optimist, would you believe that Laura said thise exact words of "she would be stupid not to ask for more" when asked about charging excessively for services or anything she could get away with from customers and it did not matter if you were local or not. Some would argue Laura is just bring thr perfect capitalist but this approach of only being in this for themselves does not in my mind gel with HB's notion that all girls charge a standard fee for a perfect service since invariably in an opportunist system there is variation in delivery of service as providers know that they can differentiate and charge extra for different things or just simply withhold providing them.
The consequences anyway when I talk to Laura is she constantly complains about the guys that want everything for 50 euro (where have we heard that before?) AND complains bitterly about having so few customers such that she sometimes leaves the club at 6 pm she claims as it is not worth her while.
Don't know how high the percentage of ISG readers is between FKK visitors, my estimate would be below 10%. So warnings have little effect. That's the current situation.
HB.It feels like it is at about 30% for western 'tourists' perhaps. Or perhaps a little higher. (Higher for the hessen tourists) But these days it seems we are outnumberred 2:1 by the asian ones. So you might be right. And that asian group is the one that will probably grow the most in the comming years. No idea how that will turn out for the clubs.
It feels like it is at about 30% for western 'tourists' perhaps. Or perhaps a little higher. (Higher for the hessen tourists) But these days it seems we are outnumberred 2:1 by the asian ones. So you might be right. And that asian group is the one that will probably grow the most in the comming years. No idea how that will turn out for the clubs.Between the German forum and the ISG, most FKK clientele do some reading. Not all are heavy readers or posters. However, prior to any trip people check the lay of the land. In any event, to create an effect you do not need 100% of FKK clients (tourists or local irrelevant). All you need is a few girls encountering a negative response or losing a session or a few sessions because of client awareness of their foul play. Imagine the next Asian that Laura approaches saying I heard about you cheating a guy out of 500 euro, so I will not go with you. If this happens a couple of times, that can do the trick. Magnify the effect by girls communicating information to each other and that is all that is needed.
The clubs and girls are selling a product and similarly to any product, the consumer has a lot of power. I would give you the counter example to another Asian hunter, Evita. She doesn't lie or cheat, so they keep coming back to her with no problems. I never met an Asian that said she was tricking him. The club environment is meant to protect girls and provide a safe working environment as well as a safe place for customers. Girls that want to hustle, should go work in the street corner.
The consequences anyway when I talk to Laura is she constantly complains about the guys that want everything for 50 euro (where have we heard that before?) AND complains bitterly about having so few customers such that she sometimes leaves the club at 6 pm she claims as it is not worth her while.Yes, I believe. I don't know her, but you clearly can make more connections between actions and consequences than she seems to be able to.
I'd prefer a situation were all girls gave great passionate service including DFK, BBBJ, FIP and sex for 50/30 min. But this is a phantasy, it's not happening, it never happened. There's more and more inexperienced tourists in the clubs, willing to overpay as they get less service for higher price with non european girls in their home countries. They are ruining the FKK scene. The girls happily take their money, some of them even specialize in easy clients spending big money. Don't know how high the percentage of ISG readers is between FKK visitors, my estimate would be below 10%. So warnings have little effect. That's the current situation.
HB.Agreed. All we can do is make it clear to girls we have expectations.
My expectations were formed many years ago in FKK, and I (and everybody else) don't need to compromise.
I'd prefer a situation were all girls gave great passionate service including DFK, BBBJ, FIP and sex for 50/30 min. But this is a phantasy, it's not happening, it never happened. There's more and more inexperienced tourists in the clubs, willing to overpay as they get less service for higher price with non european girls in their home countries. They are ruining the FKK scene. The girls happily take their money, some of them even specialize in easy clients spending big money. Don't know how high the percentage of ISG readers is between FKK visitors, my estimate would be below 10%. So warnings have little effect. That's the current situation.
HB.Yes, forums, not only ISGers, are only few in FKK land, but more and more girls read, or are said for my writings, even in small Atlanta. Some of my girls even seem OK with my writings, about their business.
About girls, they know what kind of clients we are and who they can upsell or ask tips. Even on first time, even not German, even not speaking german more than bite and danke to ask for a drink, I m never asked for tip or upsell, I think even being a foreigner, just a question of behavior with girls. Then girls prefer to have us for weekly or very regular, rather than fucking us once. Katea, Kate Aca, Isabella, Megan who all have busy business, know I will have to stop for a while soon, I just have to resist for my last climbing tour 2016 , they all said this week end: Will You come again after? When? Even Anja after only 2 rooms. Girls don t behave the same and I m pretty sure the more they upsell, the less they give.
Optimist, would you believe that Laura said thise exact words of "she would be stupid not to ask for more" when asked about charging excessively for services or anything she could get away with from customers and it did not matter if you were local or not. Some would argue Laura is just bring thr perfect capitalist but this approach of only being in this for themselves does not in my mind gel with HB's notion that all girls charge a standard fee for a perfect service since invariably in an opportunist system there is variation in delivery of service as providers know that they can differentiate and charge extra for different things or just simply withhold providing them.
The consequences anyway when I talk to Laura is she constantly complains about the guys that want everything for 50 euro (where have we heard that before?) AND complains bitterly about having so few customers such that she sometimes leaves the club at 6 pm she claims as it is not worth her while.Guys,
Can want everything for 50 euros and Laura has the prerogative to say, no. If the guys goes to the room and stays 2 hours gets everything and then says, all you get is 50 euros, that is cheating. That is what Laura and her likes do. To be clear, that is wrong. Laura took that poor guy into the room under false pretense and started saying she has debt and problems and if he can help her by giving her more money than the 500 and he was only willing to pay 500.
To touch on your capitalism point, while capitalism is an economic system trade is private and owners are profit maximizing, the definition does not mention profit maximizing by means of cheating, in a capitalistic environment, one would pay fines or go to jail and at the very least lose his or her job, ask Bernie Madoff.
Everything stated in advance is fair game. We may not like it, but it is fair game. Pricing post facto which is excessive and varies from the norm, is cheating not capitalism. However, I do agree with you on most other things, smiley.
I'd prefer a situation were all girls gave great passionate service including DFK, BBBJ, FIP and sex for 50/30 min. But this is a phantasy, it's not happening, it never happened. There's more and more inexperienced tourists in the clubs, willing to overpay as they get less service for higher price with non european girls in their home countries. They are ruining the FKK scene. The girls happily take their money, some of them even specialize in easy clients spending big money. Don't know how high the percentage of ISG readers is between FKK visitors, my estimate would be below 10%. So warnings have little effect. That's the current situation.+ 1 especially the below 10 % ISG readers at German FKK clubs. Forums writing has almost zero effect to change this trend.
BTW except for fans of Asian or African girls German FKK scene is IMHO still the best, cheapest and safest place for P6 on this planet, so guys don't complain too much and allow the girls making some "good" and: fair" money.
+ 1 especially the below 10 % ISG readers at German FKK clubs. Forums writing has almost zero effect to change this trend.
BTW except for fans of Asian or African girls German FKK scene is IMHO still the best, cheapest and safest place for P6 on this planet, so guys don't complain too much and allow the girls making some "good" and: fair" money.Do you rob banks for a living or you have a very basic "state of nature" approach to fair? 500 euro. I wish you could see the face of that kid when he realized 200 was the fair price. I hope no girl makes that "fair" money on any of us.
Cheers mate.
+ 1 especially the below 10 % ISG readers at German FKK clubs. Forums writing has almost zero effect to change this trend.
BTW except for fans of Asian or African girls German FKK scene is IMHO still the best, cheapest and safest place for P6 on this planet, so guys don't complain too much and allow the girls making some "good" and: fair" money.Agree with irrelevance of ISG on pricing.
I will continue to complain about girls who cheat. Some girls who charge the correct rate and do not cheat tell me they earn between 5000 to 10000 euros profit (not gross) in a month easily, even in a minor club. This sounds like a fair income to me with no need to cheat.
Forum writings allways affects to some degree. How to meassure it is harder.
Agree with irrelevance of ISG on pricing.
I will continue to complain about girls who cheat. Some girls who charge the correct rate and do not cheat tell me they earn between 5000 to 10000 euros profit (not gross) in a month easily, even in a minor club. This sounds like a fair income to me with no need to cheat.ISG is the main source to educate FKK consumers. Once they learn, cheating will happen a lot less. Effect pricing directly, no. You will always have girls who provide certain pleasures for more money, but that's fair game because that is not cheating. As long as everything is on the table it's cool. However, take Delia from Sharks for example, she takes you to the room with a great promise and after a 2 minute BJ says, oh I can really fuck today, my pussy hurts (so why do you think we are in the room? For me to draw on you astute insights on the Euro zone refugee strategy? She did that trick with a few clubbers I know. Or a new girl at Sharks, Stella, BJ includes licking the top and sex includes 5 cm in you push hard. For me that is cheating as well. You pay for a standard service and you get 30% of it.
Honestly, I just feel bad for that Asian kid from Oase. Personally, I have my regulars and when I try new girls, I am OK with a 50 euro mistake. Usually when I get cheated (time lies, regular extras not announced, Delia can't fuck) I let it go, but from now on, reception, here we come.
ExpatLover
09-13-16, 20:27
After attending sharks on Friday and Saturday, I trudged up to Oase on Sunday. I rented my room close to Sharks, so Oase was a long drive, especially coming back late in the night. I would not have minded going to Sharks for 3 days in a row. But the lineup was somewhat disappointing, and I missed some of my fav girls. The parking situation was clearly a factor, and all the horror stories about sausage celebrations. I had initially expected to be busy with someone the whole day but that plan fell through due to some logistical issues last min.
In recent past, Sharks had been my top club, but I was pleasantly surprised with Oase. I thought the girls quality was better, especially given It was Sunday. I liked the new kino setup, that whole hall feels a bit more wider and less boxed in. Although still too dim and gloomy. The outdoor food facility was good. I was a bit pissed that they took off the paid pizza off the menu, but that's a small gripe...Don't be disappointed by the number of session there is no link between quality and quantity, was also questioning myself in the last months why I am no more so exited as before until I met a German escort 21 YO in the last 2 weeks and believe me with her it was like I am 18 YO so chemistry is very important for some people including me. For me Shark was never the top of the FKK, and even I consider the LU average, some good days FKK World is far above.
ExpatLover
09-13-16, 20:35
I think the percentage is higher than that. Every tourists that speaks with me mentions ISG. Everyone is doing research before travelling, including us when we go on fuck tours. Don't underestimate the power of internet information. In addition, let us not be extreme with only expecting all the services for 50 euro. 100 euro for DFK is also fair game. However, the problem is with the girls that cheat and in the room after the BJ reveal more information of what they don't do or at the end say 500 euro for 2 hours. If a girl states outside the room the true cost and service, that is at least fair and is not considered cheating. We do not have to buy the service, but putting us in the predicament after the session of choosing let make a big deal and go to reception or lets pay some extra and save the embarrassment. I can't count how many times in my last visit in Oase I see the girls receive money and say what? This is too little. You have to give me more and please what is with my present.
The cheaters do not deserve common courtesy.May be you should try my advice, take a girl don t speak about money and in the room just tell thanks give me good service and I will give you 100 or 150 euros, I do this since 10 years and I was more or less never cheated, but don t look the watch you are purchasing time but service, some girl when the chemistry is fine will be very happy with you. A girl can have great pleasure with one monger but 0 with you or me so all this reports about the performance of the girls are useless for me, I respect too much the girls that is why I never give names or reports but I think for many of us what is important is the global atmosphere in a club, and not if this girl do this or this. Visited in the last 2 weeks Sakura and Paradise Saarbrucken and I had great experiences in both clubs even many of you will not go there. We are humans, the girls are humans we have to accept inconsistency this is life.
Member #4581
09-13-16, 23:11
ISGers need to make up their minds about Romanian girls and foreign male guests. On one hand, there is perpetual complaints that Romanian girls are not so good, and that more foreigners drive up prices. However, w / o Romanian girls there would be not enough girls in this many clubs at these prices, which is very obvious. Less onions but also equally true is that if there were not as many male foreigner guests, demand would have been much worse for the girls, especially given the weak economy in Germany and Europe for several years now. Certainly a lot of girls would have left the business in despair if foreigner business collapsed.
Member #4581
09-14-16, 01:12
I think people are probably overestimating the number of people reading these forums among the total attendance. Of course, no one can prove this objectively. From what I see, most people are not that tuned into these forums. Perhaps they read it to get a sense of the club scene once but I doubt they read these things on a regular basis to keep themselves informed prior to visits.
In any case, reading these forums will not prevent anyone from getting cheated. If you are naive enough to be cheated, reading a forum will hardly help. I don't know what happened to that Asian kid. But rules are easily known and prices are easily figured out. If a girl can bully a guest to pay 200 or 300 for a service for which everyone is paying 50 - well, such a person is bound to be cheated in the club or outside. I did not read the threads a whole lot prior to my first ever visit, and don't believe I was cheated in any way then or later.
And even regular reading will not help. Unless you remember so many details in your head or carry a phone and keeping checking reviews while in the club. I ran into Raissa at Oase, and I knew I had read some reviews about her but could not remember if they were positive or negative. In the end I went with her, thinking I will make my own review of her and if it turned out to be bad decision the worst that can happen is 50 bucks.
TankTank123
09-14-16, 01:40
take Delia from Sharks for example, she takes you to the room with a great promise and after a 2 minute BJ says, oh I can really fuck today, my pussy hurtsDelia did that with me too, early this year. I did not mention this bad experience in my posts as I (wrongly) thought it was genuine.
ISGers need to make up their minds about Romanian girls and foreign male guests. On one hand, there is perpetual complaints that Romanian girls are not so good, and that more foreigners drive up prices. However, w / o Romanian girls there would be not enough girls in this many clubs at these prices, which is very obvious. Less onions but also equally true is that if there were not as many male foreigner guests, demand would have been much worse for the girls, especially given the weak economy in Germany and Europe for several years now. Certainly a lot of girls would have left the business in despair if foreigner business collapsed.Overseas guests comprise a larger percentage in the Hessen big-5. Those clubs would despair if foreign business collapsed. Other FKKs have less dependence and would be less impacted. I've met many Romanian WGs that spoke almost zero English--just broken German, suggesting that they do not deal regularly with overseas clientele. Majority of the 400,000 estimated WGs in Germany, do not rely on foreigner business.
+ 1 especially the below 10 % ISG readers at German FKK clubs. Forums writing has almost zero effect to change this trend.
90% of the foreigners I meet at FKK know what ISG is. But they do not read often enough to remember many FKK girls names / details.
When I went to Brazil, I only read a few pages of the Rio de Janeiro forums as "homework". Haven't visited the Rio forum since that time.
UltraHappy
09-14-16, 02:35
90% of the foreigners I meet at FKK know what ISG is. But they do not read often enough to remember many FKK girls names / details.
Hell, I read ISG all the time, and I sure as shit can't remember girl names who I've never been with before. The only names I ever recognize and can remember are the girls who I already know -- but then I don't need a report on those girls since I already know how they are with me. Still interesting to compare notes though. Maybe others have memory skills that are beyond my feeble capacities?
Member #4581
09-14-16, 03:06
Overseas guests comprise a larger percentage in the Hessen big-5. Those clubs would despair if foreign business collapsed. Other FKKs have less dependence and would be less impacted. I've met many Romanian WGs that spoke almost zero English--just broken German, suggesting that they do not deal regularly with overseas clientele. Majority of the 400,000 estimated WGs in Germany, do not rely on foreigner business.Was that 400,000 WG number ever verified. Or is it a McKinsey interview case study problem. How many fish are in the ocean and how many WGs in Germany, LOL. The max girls at Oase at any given time seems like 200 and multiply 5 gets us to a thousand in Hessen fkks. FKKMax. The city with the most FKK girls. I doubt that there are more than 25,000 girls between all the FKKs in Germany, as it does seem dubious that Hessen share of FKK girls in the land is less than 4%.
Perhaps most WGs work outside FKKs. As street walkers, red light districts, private escorts, etc etc. I would not know, as I have exactly zero experience in there.
In any case, I was just saying that a steep decline in foreigner flows would impact FKK girls' business, and should not generalize to all prostitution in Germany. Perhaps I should stick with what I know, which is just Sharks and Oase. And Artemis, which also seems to have a good number of foreigners when I visited.
BTW, I thought Romanian girls learn English in their schools? It is the Bulgarians who are really poor when it comes to English, based on my few interactions with them (mainly Aylice, who did become better with time).
ExpatLover
09-14-16, 03:58
Was that 400,000 WG number ever verified. Or is it a McKinsey interview case study problem. How many fish are in the ocean and how many WGs in Germany, LOL. The max girls at Oase at any given time seems like 200 and multiply 5 gets us to a thousand in Hessen fkks. FKKMax. The city with the most FKK girls. I doubt that there are more than 25,000 girls between all the FKKs in Germany, as it does seem dubious that Hessen share of FKK girls in the land is less than 4%.
Perhaps most WGs work outside FKKs. As street walkers, red light districts, private escorts, etc etc. I would not know, as I have exactly zero experience in there.
In any case, I was just saying that a steep decline in foreigner flows would impact FKK girls' business, and should not generalize to all prostitution in Germany. Perhaps I should stick with what I know, which is just Sharks and Oase. And Artemis, which also seems to have a good number of foreigners when I visited.
BTW, I thought Romanian girls learn English in their schools? It is the Bulgarians who are really poor when it comes to English, based on my few interactions with them (mainly Aylice, who did become better with time).Officially there are around 600.000 prostitutes in Germany nobody knows exactly what and where they are working.
ExpatLover
09-14-16, 04:07
ISGers need to make up their minds about Romanian girls and foreign male guests. On one hand, there is perpetual complaints that Romanian girls are not so good, and that more foreigners drive up prices. However, w / o Romanian girls there would be not enough girls in this many clubs at these prices, which is very obvious. Less onions but also equally true is that if there were not as many male foreigner guests, demand would have been much worse for the girls, especially given the weak economy in Germany and Europe for several years now. Certainly a lot of girls would have left the business in despair if foreigner business collapsed.The economy in Germany is very good the unemployment rate is quite low, that is why many German girls don{t need to work in a FKK, they can find easily a job and had some cash by having a escort activity. Many German escort that I met will never work in a FKK club, too much sexe every day, can{t choose the customer (if you want to earn good money) and on top of them by doing escort they don{t really believe they are prostitute but working in a FKK mean for them to be a prostitute. Many German men also think the same, when they meet a escort it is not exactly meeting a prostitute.
ISGers need to make up their minds about Romanian girls and foreign male guests. On one hand, there is perpetual complaints that Romanian girls are not so good, and that more foreigners drive up prices. However, w / o Romanian girls there would be not enough girls in this many clubs at these prices, which is very obvious. Less onions but also equally true is that if there were not as many male foreigner guests, demand would have been much worse for the girls, especially given the weak economy in Germany and Europe for several years now. Certainly a lot of girls would have left the business in despair if foreigner business collapsed.Some good, interesting points being made here by the board regulars. What I don't hear is an opinion from an outlier, so here it goes. First of all, if you're a German regular and happen to see a hapless Americano in FKK being gussied up for the slaughter, try reaching out to him and give him some pointers. Maybe he'd appreciate a wingman so he doesn't fuck up a great thing in the DE land of paradise. Second, there are, I suspect, a boatload of decent foreign mongers lurking on this board, doing their best to educated about FKK protocol because we are guests in your country and we naturally wish to earn the approval of our German friends. Third, our German hosts may not be familiar with how American mongers are programmed to operate in the "hobby. " American SPs (service providers) put punters through rigorous screening to avoid LE (law enforcement) and therefore do not accept 30 min appointments. The minimum is at least 60 minutes. These longer appointments are expensive, and the SP is expected to provide GFE (girl friend experience) DATY DFK etc. This is the level of service that is expected by punters here, but everything goes "without saying," and punters just have to feel their way during the appointment (oftentimes YMMV). Therefore, when we get to FKK, we are very practiced at stretching the clock to get what we want from the appointment. I seriously doubt that you would ever see an American in his 40's or 50's doing a 30 min appointment in FKK unless the girl was awful and he decides to cut his losses. For an American, it's not a numbers game, it's the quality of the experience, and just a single, albeit long session is enough for the day. As an aside, we like the big Hessen clubs, but also like to retreat to GT for the same reasons as yourselves. LMFAO. Salut!
May be you should try my advice, take a girl don t speak about money and in the room just tell thanks give me good service and I will give you 100 or 150 euros, I do this since 10 years and I was more or less never cheated, but don t look the watch you are purchasing time but service, some girl when the chemistry is fine will be very happy with you. A girl can have great pleasure with one monger but 0 with you or me so all this reports about the performance of the girls are useless for me, I respect too much the girls that is why I never give names or reports but I think for many of us what is important is the global atmosphere in a club, and not if this girl do this or this. Visited in the last 2 weeks Sakura and Paradise Saarbrucken and I had great experiences in both clubs even many of you will not go there. We are humans, the girls are humans we have to accept inconsistency this is life.Thank amigo, I am really good on my personal sessions front. It isn't about a personal experience that can vary, this about systematic behavior (with a certain significance level say 0. 05) regardless of how nice you are or how much money you pay. Girls who cheat will do it when you give them 200 as well because it is never enough. They will always ask more. Names should be given here for girls who cheat, obviously in a smart way. In a 250 session in Oase a couple of weeks ago, the girl almost crying in the room saying please give me more money I have car trouble and I need to fix it before I go home it will cost me 800 euro. This girl didn't cheat but was greedy, but it brings across the approach. I will not book her again even though she was a decent plus session.
take Delia from Sharks for example, she takes you to the room with a great promise and after a 2 minute BJ says, oh I can really fuck today, my pussy hurts (so why do you think we are in the room? For me to draw on you astute insights on the Euro zone refugee strategy? She did that trick with a few clubbers I know.
Or a new girl at Sharks, Stella, BJ includes licking the top and sex includes 5 cm in you push hard. For me that is cheating as well. You pay for a standard service and you get 30% of it.
Honestly, I just feel bad for that Asian kid from Oase. Personally, I have my regulars and when I try new girls, I am OK with a 50 euro mistake. Usually when I get cheated (time lies, regular extras not announced, Delia can't fuck) I let it go, but from now on, reception, here we come.You seem unlucky at the moment, but in casino in Vegas, you will lose 99% of time, in FKK, sometimes you win, quite often for my experience, sometimes you lose, when you feel you are losing, even frustrating, stop, 50 € lost and next one to enjoy, same for regulars who change behavior. There are many friendly girls waiting for business, my only problem is too find pretty enough girls, and then to enjoy for only 50/30 mn without being upsell, I should not have the face to be upsell.
, take Delia from Sharks for example, she takes you to the room with a great promise and after a 2 minute BJ says, oh I can really fuck today, my pussy hurts This happened to me at Oase three years ago, girl did the BJ for a good ten minutes then said she couldn't fuck. Language barrier made it difficult to find out why but I think she was working on her period. I took her to the front desk after the lackluster BJ only session and the look on her face as they told her to get dressed and go home since she couldn't properly work was priceless. They did say since I was in the room such a long time getting a BJ that I owed her 20 euro's.
This happened to me at Oase three years ago, girl did the BJ for a good ten minutes then said she couldn't fuck. Language barrier made it difficult to find out why but I think she was working on her period. I took her to the front desk after the lackluster BJ only session and the look on her face as they told her to get dressed and go home since she couldn't properly work was priceless. They did say since I was in the room such a long time getting a BJ that I owed her 20 euro's.Excellent. An example to us all.
This happened to me at Oase three years ago, girl did the BJ for a good ten minutes then said she couldn't fuck. Language barrier made it difficult to find out why but I think she was working on her period. I took her to the front desk after the lackluster BJ only session and the look on her face as they told her to get dressed and go home since she couldn't properly work was priceless. They did say since I was in the room such a long time getting a BJ that I owed her 20 euro's.You are my personal hero, seriously. All I am saying is we should all follow this or tell the girls if you don't fuck you don't get paid.
You seem unlucky at the moment, but in casino in Vegas, you will lose 99% of time, in FKK, sometimes you win, quite often for my experience, sometimes you lose, when you feel you are losing, even frustrating, stop, 50 lost and next one to enjoy, same for regulars who change behavior. There are many friendly girls waiting for business, my only problem is too find pretty enough girls, and then to enjoy for only 50/30 mn without being upsell, I should not have the face to be upsell.Don't get the wrong impression, I am always lucky. I go mostly with the same girls. New girls I try recently have been somewhat disappointing, but I leave the room and run to my superstars. There is no club of the big 3 where I will be "unlucky" because of that. It just feels recently that greediness and cheating is climbing to new heights. Again, I don't recall a single problem at World. Recently at Sharks there are quite a few of those. Oase doesn't surprise me. It has been like this forever there, but Laura really screwed this guy. I felt bad for him.
Some good, interesting points being made here by the board regulars. What I don't hear is an opinion from an outlier, so here it goes. First of all, if you're a German regular and happen to see a hapless Americano in FKK being gussied up for the slaughter, try reaching out to him and give him some pointers. Maybe he'd appreciate a wingman so he doesn't fuck up a great thing in the DE land of paradise. Second, there are, I suspect, a boatload of decent foreign mongers lurking on this board, doing their best to educated about FKK protocol because we are guests in your country and we naturally wish to earn the approval of our German friends. Third, our German hosts may not be familiar with how American mongers are programmed to operate in the "hobby. " American SPs (service providers) put punters through rigorous screening to avoid LE (law enforcement) and therefore do not accept 30 min appointments. The minimum is at least 60 minutes. These longer appointments are expensive, and the SP is expected to provide GFE (girl friend experience) DATY DFK etc. This is the level of service that is expected by punters here, but everything goes "without saying," and punters just have to feel their way during the appointment (oftentimes YMMV). Therefore, when we get to FKK, we are very practiced at stretching the clock to get what we want from the appointment. I seriously doubt that you would ever see an American in his 40's or 50's doing a 30 min appointment in FKK unless the girl was awful and he decides to cut his losses. For an American, it's not a numbers game, it's the quality of the experience, and just a single, albeit long session is enough for the day. As an aside, we like the big Hessen clubs, but also like to retreat to GT for the same reasons as yourselves. LMFAO. Salut!Of course there are 30 minute appointments. From experience! LOL. Have you checked backpage or eros or any other escort website? In the US you also don't get BBBJ, but if you think that Americans that get here don't check ISG or other forums, you are wrong. Everybody searched the internet in any fuck tour. This forum is priceless for tourists because the posters here, each with is differing and at time controversial opinion, know FKK inside out. Any piece of insight helps them. Even a tourist that visited FKK over 10-20 times has some FKK experience to handle themselves, I know quite a few. These recent postings here, which I hope are not the last, about Delia (pussy hurts constantly so can't fuck), Laura Oase (500 euro cheat), Stella new Sharks (bending pelvis so you can't fuck) and many others with Hollywood stories will help all of us, new and more experienced. Girls have clicks, why not us? Thanks ISG for the platform.
Let's hope we all keep sharing which girls we should watch out for wisely and respectfully and obviously not out of a personal grudge.
Xoxo.
ExpatLover
09-14-16, 19:05
Excellent. An example to us all.OK but may be this girl needs to work to pay for the chemotherapy of her father or her children are very sick. Mostly well educated girls with good family background will not have to work in a FKK, going with a girl for session is not the same as to buy a product, most of the girl are doing their best to satisfy the customer, personally I will never go to the front desk just because I respect the girls and I can also accept that some days they are not at their top.
Delia did that with me too, early this year. I did not mention this bad experience in my posts as I (wrongly) thought it was genuine.Just a note; this is 5 people I know personally, face to face, that Delia did that and TankTank123 now makes 6. How many more? I will bet that this post will help counter Delias BS routine.
Excellent. An example to us all.I'm proud, after about 400 days in FKK, never took or been taken by any girl to desk, I never force them and usually, except Nina at Sharks, they don't try to fuck me, even they are not all top girls.
Officially there are around 600.000 prostitutes in Germany nobody knows exactly what and where they are working.I've heard about this figure. Could fit if you count weekly changing girls every week as a new girl plus you count every girl together / married with a guy more than 15 years older as a prostitute. It's deliberate propaganda. I bet after new law next year then with registered working P6 girls there are max. 200.000.
I know Hessen quite well that mean with 600.000 in total Germany for Hessen around 50.000 according population maybe due to largest german airport and the largest fair trades in Frankfurt even more. My rough guess for different girls during one year at Hessen at all clubs, in apartments, at brothels and on streets in total I see max. 17.000 and this makes for Germany in total around 200.000.
Clodius1: It feels like american punters in their 40's and 50's are more like half way between a european and an asian. And the minimum 1 h sessions comes just as much from the fact that you have to fly so far with overpriced shitty american airlines to get to a good mongering location like Germany is now. In europe for europeans it feels more like a quick cheeseburger, or we might go for an upgraded whopper on a nice day. But something we can eat many of, than an octupal bypass burger from heart attack grill that lands you in a hospital after leaving...
Thank amigo, I am really good on my personal sessions front. It isn't about a personal experience that can vary, this about systematic behavior (with a certain significance level say 0. 05) regardless of how nice you are or how much money you pay. Girls who cheat will do it when you give them 200 as well because it is never enough. They will always ask more. Names should be given here for girls who cheat, obviously in a smart way. In a 250 session in Oase a couple of weeks ago, the girl almost crying in the room saying please give me more money I have car trouble and I need to fix it before I go home it will cost me 800 euro. This girl didn't cheat but was greedy, but it brings across the approach. I will not book her again even though she was a decent plus session.Read between the lines. She did not earn enough and her pimp won't let her go home until she hits her quota.
Pistons,
Yes I like your food analogy! In USA, ordering overpriced, overweight GPS ho for $400+ per hour is like ordering off the picture menu of some new restaurant. You never know what's really coming to the table until it's too late. But FKK is not like this at all, it is more like a food buffet where you can pick and choose your food after looking and smelling it firsthand before paying for it, yes? Also, you are right about crisply American airline carriers who stuff passengers in metal tube like sausages. But at least our pilots don't fly into oceans like EgyptAir or mountain sides like GermanWings. Just pop a Xanax and daydream about FKK over the pond! Cheers.
Clodius1: It feels like american punters in their 40's and 50's are more like half way between a european and an asian. And the minimum 1 h sessions comes just as much from the fact that you have to fly so far with overpriced shitty american airlines to get to a good mongering location like Germany is now. In europe for europeans it feels more like a quick cheeseburger, or we might go for an upgraded whopper on a nice day. But something we can eat many of, than an octupal bypass burger from heart attack grill that lands you in a hospital after leaving...
UltraHappy
09-15-16, 04:50
OK but may be this girl needs to work to pay for the chemotherapy of her father or her children are very sick. Mostly well educated girls with good family background will not have to work in a FKK, going with a girl for session is not the same as to buy a product, most of the girl are doing their best to satisfy the customer, personally I will never go to the front desk just because I respect the girls and I can also accept that some days they are not at their top.If a girl isn't able to offer the *minimum* basic services that the price involves, then she should disclose that to the customer *before* going into the room with the customer before the customer is committed to paying for less than what was bargained for.
The type of sales practice of enticing someone in the room with the expectation of certain minimum services and then charging that person for less than the minimum basic services is known as the bait-and-switch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch). This tactic is widely recognized as unethical and downright fraudulent.
As a counterexample of this practice, in one case, I met a girl, not long ago, who couldn't work one night because her pussy was hurting because some jerk was too rough with her (another long story). She wanted to go upstairs and quit for the day but being rather new to the club, she didn't feel comfortable admitting to Reception that she was hurting and couldn't work anymore that night. So, she was just hanging out with me waiting for her shift to end, in effect giving me tons of "free time" with her. After a good while hanging out together, I suggested that we go to the room together just for BJ and kissing, so she could make some money and I could enjoy the end of the evening at the club. I had a absolutely wonderful, magical time with her but she clearly disclosed her limitations to me beforehand so I knew exactly what I was getting myself into. I even ended up giving her a good tip since I had such a good time with her. Unfortunately for all the guys out there, this sweet girl has recently quit the biz. I will miss her.
Just a note; this is 5 people I know personally, face to face, that Delia did that and TankTank123 now makes 6. How many more? I will bet that this post will help counter Delias BS routine.Good information about Delia, Stella, or Laura, even always subjective and each one his game, because some kind of clients are known to be easy to fuck and some even return to be fucked regularly. I'm pretty sure if I go to Laura at Oase, she will be so surprised, she may try for CIM but not more than club rate. If guys behave like men, they should not get upsell. Out of CIM which is a fashion service at Oase because they don t have to eat, Maria Platinum, Ina, Roxana, even Suginella never asked for more money, I even regret Suginella or Roxana never proposed me anal, in doggy, looking at their wide opened ass, but too big, no girl propose, only Anna. It at Wellcum. At, trying for 20 mn but couldn't enter, only 2 fingers, and she really tried, jumping on me, to get her 100 extra, so 240 for 1 hour.
Even when I have problems with a girl, I don t need to take her to the desk, I prefer to find a new lovely beauty, it gives me more pleasure to enjoy this new discovery.
Read between the lines. She did not earn enough and her pimp won't let her go home until she hits her quota.Are you pussy whipped or just outright out there? For one it is bullshit! For another, it is impertinent. This is not my problem. This is a profession like any other. You get paid to do a service and if you can't do it, go home, don't work. I don't see my server begging for tips. I don't see my mechanic asking for extra, he gives me discounts, so I don't go elsewhere. I don't care about their personal problems like they don't care about mine. An exchange of goods or service for monetary benefit, dude. Please, clean the pussy juice from eyes and ears and join the real world.
I'm proud, after about 400 days in FKK, never took or been taken by any girl to desk, I never force them and usually, except Nina at Sharks, they don't try to fuck me, even they are not all top girls.I never did also, Siri. And, I have a good reputation in all clubs, but the next that fucks with me goes to the reception with my full might. Disclaimer, this does not apply to my regulars who I know by now and may have a tired day. This applies to the Laura, Delia and their friends.
OK but may be this girl needs to work to pay for the chemotherapy of her father or her children are very sick. Mostly well educated girls with good family background will not have to work in a FKK, going with a girl for session is not the same as to buy a product, most of the girl are doing their best to satisfy the customer, personally I will never go to the front desk just because I respect the girls and I can also accept that some days they are not at their top.I have never taken a girl to a front desk but nothing excuses cheating. There are easy ways to pay for chemotherapy apart from a girl cheating. Recently a girl told me she had to raise 6000 for an operation for her mother. Her solution? She worked extra and made the money in two weeks. My response? Respect, compliments, and giving her easy and long sessions. So, by being a good worker, she made 1500 from me instead of 50.
I do not respect girls who have no respect for themselves and cheat. She has her reasons to cheat, but I see no reason to support them and encourage bad behaviour, which only damages her further.
If a girl has a bad day then I have no problem: I have paid a lot over the years to girls with migraines, stomach ache, pussy pain, even when they couldn't really work properly or at all.The difference is that these girls didn't cheat me.I gave them support, help, and money, extending sessions even when they felt the sessions should end because they couldn't provide the normal service.They provided something else: honesty. Exactly as UltraHappy described
So going to the front desk about a girl who intentionally cheats is an option I support
Read between the lines. She did not earn enough and her pimp won't let her go home until she hits her quota.A girl can make more money normally by good service than by cheating, so I doubt that pimp imposed targets are the reason for cheating in most cases.
Of course, it can and does happen, but girls with pimps are often in a group and the group will conspire to limit their earnings if a pimp is greedy. Many pimps are more like employment agencies: getting rich by providing a service to the girl (getting her into a club and accommodation) and then taking a percentage. With only a few girls a pimp can make good money.
UltraHappy. Exactly right in all aspects.
I'm proud, after about 400 days in FKK, never took or been taken by any girl to desk, I never force them and usually, except Nina at Sharks, they don't try to fuck me, even they are not all top girls.I also, in about 700 days in FKK, have never taken a girl to front desk, and I never force a girl to do anything, even fuck: I leave it up to them what they do. But as I write in my reply to ExpatLover there are circumstances when it is right to take a girl to the front desk, to limit the spread of cheating behaviour.
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