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Anybody have any feedback on FKK 125 in Hamburg? Is it worth a visit, or should I just plan to go back to FKK Babylon Hamburg one more time, which I did enjoy?
http://www.fkk-125-hh.de/
"Pricing was at 60 euros per half hour, with additional payment required for a BBBJ, CIM, Anal, kissing, etc".
That's the reason most people will not visit the north of Germany for these kind of things. NRW and even Hessen are much better in this respect. Most mongers do not like to negotiate, and having a clear price/service offering is part of the relaxing experience imho.
Indeed. In the old days, before the internet, Hamburg was the most visible place for prostitution in Germany. Back then, almost all quoted a standard fee (DM 50) for fuck and suck for 30 minutes, completely nude, but in the room it turned into a hand job or at most a covered blow job with the girl still dressed and no touching allowed. Pay another 50 or 100 and maybe get some more-but maybe only half of what you negotiated, then she asks for even more.
Fortunately, reports in forums like this one allow punters to exchange information about honest providers, and about dishonest ones. I haven't paid for sex in Hamburg in a long time. I don't know whether it has changed. Perhaps there are still enough tourists to allow the dishonest practices to continue. Hamburg thus has a bad reputation among German punters, and reports like yours where there are high prices, extra money for services which are standard elsewhere, negotiation etc are the reasons people don't like it.
Prices and services have to be clear from the beginning. No finishing earlier, no refusing service which was agreed (implicitly or explicitly), whether or not it is nevertheless available for extra money.
Note: I am not talking about offering something for extra money which is not part of the standard price (for example, anal sex at some places) which can include just blow job and / or sex at a massage place, where these are not part of the official offer. These things are fine, as long as the rest is OK even if the extras are refused.
Fortunately, reports in forums like this one allow punters to exchange information about honest providers, and about dishonest ones. I haven't paid for sex in Hamburg in a long time. I don't know whether it has changed. Perhaps there are still enough tourists to allow the dishonest practices to continue. Hamburg thus has a bad reputation among German punters, and reports like yours where there are high prices, extra money for services which are standard elsewhere, negotiation etc are the reasons people don't like it.So far I've been having a good time in Hamburg, and I am interested in returning (when it's warmer). I've been to Atmos, Babylon Hamburg, and Harmony and all has been fine for the most part. These are all businesses based on the FKK model, as is FKK 125 which I have not yet visited so far. I think one might run into more problems if you go over into St. Pauli looking for sex with street tutes or with those women putting themselves on display in the windows of Herbertstrasse off of the Reeperbahn. These are the ones who are most likely to rip you off I think, and are the ones who are responsible for Hamburg's reputation for sex scams. I do intend to go there, but mostly only to look (gawk maybe LOL) and hang out. I doubt that I will partake of anything. But as I always say. We shall see!
Anybody have any feedback on FKK 125 in Hamburg? Is it worth a visit, or should I just plan to go back to FKK Babylon Hamburg one more time, which I did enjoy?
http://www.fkk-125-hh.de/My first FKK ever - sweet memories!
There is a risk it is no longer up and running. Definitively make a call before going.
My visits were back in 2003- 05 so very outdated now. Back then it was the only FKK in town apart from Atmos (I think). Easy to get to being the last stop on the local S-Train + 10 mnts walking. In many ways it looked like Bernd's, being cramped in a small residentual building. Also, I remember being greeted at the door by a smiling buck nekkid girl (just like at Bernd's). Small sauna and pool. Small private kitchen with an old couple running it (they must have been in their 70s; him sitting in a wheel chair). 8- 15 girls; some goodlooking (the good old Romanian/Bulgarian/German/Czech/Hungarian/Russian mix). Not every girl did DFK / BBBJ, but some did it with excellence and without asking for extras. Only local clientele. No tourists! I remember being warned by the girls to go to the big tourist clubs in Frankfurt. LOL!
The last reports I have seen are from 2011. There are some signs out there it was closed down in 2012- 13, but this I cannot verify.
Thanks for the reports from your grand tour!
Yes, but as I have noted in my reports, the Hamburg tutes seem willing to negotiate. I managed to get some good deals that were on par with Hessen FKK prices, or even a little bit lower for the hour. I'm happy with Hamburg so far and would return for mongering. Munchen is a nicer city in my opinion, but Hamburg most definitely is better for mongering, and especially for those who desire German girls. I've found a lot more of them working in the FKKs in and around Hamburg than in any other city I've been too so far, including the times I have been in Berlin. Just speaking about the FKK scene. I know the NRW region is supposed to be better for finding working German girls too, but I don't have a lot of personal experience there. Only been to GT once and didn't like it. So, maybe next time I will hit some other places in the NRW region. God willing there will be a next time!You are negotiating having 250 e for one hour as a reference. For that money you can probably negotiate good service everything included in almost every city in the world, including Munich, New York, HongKong, Dubai. For 250 / hour in NRW some girl will even do your laundry.
Banana Boi
02-12-17, 14:59
For 250 / hour in NRW some girl will even do your laundry.Too funny.
You are negotiating having 250 e for one hour as a reference. For that money you can probably negotiate good service everything included in almost every city in the world, including Munich, New York, HongKong, Dubai. For 250 / hour in NRW some girl will even do your laundry.I'm not in New York, Hong Kong, or Dubai (but I've been to two of those three). I'm in Germany, and my reference point is Hesse where I've heavily patronized the clubs there. In Hesse, for 250 euros per hour you can get massage, BBBJ / CIM, and anal. One complaint against Hamburg is that you have to pay more for the same things than you have to in other parts of Germany. So, my point is that I've proved you can get in Hamburg what you can get at the Frankfurt Big 5 for the same price. And like I said, I have been to both New York and Dubai (second most expensive mongering destination I have personally been to), and if you think you can get BBBJ / CIM and anal in those cities from a hot girl for the equivalent of 250 euros per hour (if she even agrees to do either in the first place), then you sir don't know what you're talking about! And try getting that in Zurich (the most expensive mongering destination I have been to). You won't at any of the top clubs in Switzerland (although the girls will in fact do BBBJ / CIM and anal), so your claim that 250 euros is going to be golden around the world is very misguided. Although, I must admit that my NRW experience is light, so maybe as you say I could get an NRW tute to throw in doing my laundry as part of a 250 euros per hour package deal! I'll see if I can negotiate that in when I visit Dusseldorf and Cologne on a subsequent trip!
Too funny.But is it true LOL? I'll see when I'm in the NRW region. That will be on the agenda for the next trip hehehe! By the way, when I was in Pattaya, I learned about a monger who did hire a Russian tute to come over and clean up his place. He knew he wasn't going to get to fuck her, so he figured he would try to get something out of her! Read about another monger who hired some African tutes to clean up a couple of his apartments somewhere in Europe, but I forget where. I usually don't have any laundry to do when on the road, but if I can get a good price all-inclusive with anal, then why not?
Hessen Bub
02-12-17, 16:32
For 250 / hour in NRW some girl will even do your laundry.And she'd do that with your cane up her backdoor.
HB.
Just got back from a second visit to FKK Babylon Hamburg. I returned specifically to fuck the tall, auburn-redheaded German girl. Got to the club and there she was on the inside, sitting there and smiling as if she was waiting just for me. She goes by "Neela" and has a tattoo (among many) that says "only if I want to", meaning that she will fuck you only if she so desires. Well, she told me she still wanted to fuck me. Surprise, surprise! We had already agreed prior to an all-inclusive for 250 euros (I failed to ask about her doing my laundry as a part of the deal, so that was my bad). In the room, I found Neela to be kind of "clinical" in her approach, but I still enjoyed. She hesitated at first about using my preferred condoms because she said that lots of guys were weird and might try to put little holes in the condoms just to get their seed inside of her. I assured Neela that I was not that kind of guy, and she agreed that I looked honest and would not do such a thing (she's right).
Neela delivered some decent skull (including from 69 where I kissed her butt cheeks and lightly licked her asshole), then we used one of my expensive, super-thin Sagamis (only for the German girls) to get some serious pussy penetration action going. Neela struggled at first to get the condom on, but we made it, and then fucked in multiple positions. We ended up in mish with me wanting to finish in Neela's pussy. Her talk of worrying about guys secretly trying to get their spurge inside of her body turned me on actually, so I decided to nut inside of that German pussy, telling Neela all along that I was going to sperm inside of her. Of course, I had on the condom, but with the Sagami it's the closest thing to going natural. Nutted in her, then next came an OK massage. Not the best, but not nearly the worst I've had from a working girl either.
From there, it was time to take Neela in the ass! She preferred to take dick up the butt doggy-style, so this is how we proceeded. With just the right amount of lube on Neela's asshole, I entered her butt hole fairly easily. Neela moaned and frigged her pussy while I dick her in the butt with hard and fast strokes. I eventually got her stomach / face down like how I like to do my ass-fucked tutes and pounded Neela in the ass with authority until I just couldn't butt fuck her anymore LOL! It didn't feel as if I was going to be able to cum, so I kept pounding her and pounding her in her asshole until I just couldn't pound anymore! I enjoyed her moans, cries, and screams hehehe!
With Neela now all butt fucked out, we took some time out just to talk. It's at these times, if you've made any kind of connection with the girl at all, that she will begin telling you things about the story of her life. I learned that Neela was 29 and had been working in prostitution for many years now. She told me that she started out on the Reeperbahn in Hamburg where she was taught from the other more senior girls on how to rip people off and take as much money as she could get while doing as little as possible, even if that meant outright stealing from customers. Neela said she didn't like that scene, and quit it after a little while. Said she worked in a "caravan" for a couple of years (don't know what a "caravan" is), and that she even went to Switzerland with a few other girls to work. Neela told me that in Switzerland a lot of clients requested bareback, and although she refused to do that, the other girls routinely did and would charge anywhere from 300 to 500 Swiss francs an hour (really for one shot) to provide that service.
Eventually Neela found her way back home to Germany and Hamburg. She told me that a couple of years ago she fell into a deep depression after breaking up with her Iranian boyfriend. Seems to me that she should have been happy to jettison him since she told me that he was beating her German arsch down (hit her in the mouth and broke her teeth which had to be repaired) and took thousands and thousands of euros of her money! When you hear these things, it reminds you that these girls are human beings and often have suffered many hardships. With our session done, I paid Neela her money. She tried to squeeze out a small tip, but I declined to pay it. A kiss on the lips goodbye, and then we went our separate ways, only to stop and smile and chat with each other throughout the night. I saw Neela go to the room to do several more sessions. Told me that her nightly goal was 1,000 euros, and that she was only about 200 euros short of that. The first night I met her at FKK Babylon Hamburg, I remember her telling me at some point in the night that she needed only 90 euros more to reach her 1,000 euros a night goal. She goes to the room a lot, so I can believe it that she is in the 1,000 euros a night club!
For my second and final session of the night, I repeated with Polish Nellie. I had told myself no repeats! That I would not repeat, but I simply could not resist this girl's charm. In the room with Neela, she (Neela) told me that she had seen me go with Nellie the last time, and that she did not like it. She said that she thought Nellie was an ugly girl (I do not agree) with no class (will take men to the room leading them by the dick). Well, I never saw Nellie doing that, and she certainly didn't do it with me. But she is one damn good butt fucker, and that's for damn sure! I decided to go with her again for that one reason alone. We were sitting on the couches beforehand doing some light kissing when Nellie started telling me how much she liked my "pennis" (penis) as she pronounced it, and that she wanted my "pennis" in her mouth and back inside of her asshole! I was as hard as a rock under my robe listening to this Polish girl mispronounce how much she wanted me to fuck her in the ass with my "pennis".
And that's what I did too after receiving some solid BBBJ action. Told Nellie that I was going to fuck her in the butt with my "pennis" and sperm inside of her butt hole. This dirty talked seemed to really turn her on too as she started saying that she wanted me to fuck her in the butt and was telling me that I was butt fucking her so, so good smack, smack, smack, smack, smack against her big phat ass cheeks! With this kind of dirty talk, I once again got "the good feeling" all over my body. Now, whereas I did not cum inside of Neela's German girl anus, I fucking exploded inside of Nellie's Polish girl anal cavity just as I had done on my first visit to this club! Where is Hessen Bub? Where is HB? HB, this time while I was butt fucking Nellie, there was more than just a hint of a little "scheisse" in the air hahaha! There was a whiff of some "scheisse" in the air my friend HB LOLOLOL! Hey, you know what I say. If you've fucked as many girls in the butt as I have, then occasionally you're going to have to take a little shit every now and then hahahaha!
The smell dissipated shortly after the butt fuck was over, and then I relaxed and settled in for a nice, relaxing massage. Nellie is good too since, as I mentioned in a previous report, she gave massages for two years at the club before deciding to start fucking for cash. At least that's what she told me. She also told me about a recent experience with a customer who had bad body odor. She went down to give him head, but was repulsed by the smell! The guy went to reception to complain that Nellie welched on the deal to give him BBBJ / CIM. They took a whiff of the guy and could smell the stink on him then. The management told the guy to shower or leave. He refused to shower (allegedly told Nellie that he had only showered once in the last 4 weeks), so the management threw his ass out of the club! Really somebody would come in there dirty like that and expect to be serviced? Damn!
After my session with Nellie, I chatted up a few more of the girls who were present, but chose not to session again. By the way, for those of you who enjoy public sex, I saw some of that going on in the kino at FKK Babylon Hamburg. Looked in there and saw two "couples" fucking LOL! I have enjoyed my tour of Hamburg, and I hope that I can "cum again" some day. This is not the old Hamburg with nothing but sex scam ripoffs. There are legit FKKs now where you can get some value for your money. If you have the time and inclination, I say check out Hamburg! It's not just what it used to be. I guess you could say it's that and more, but in a good way!
I'm not in New York, Hong Kong, or Dubai (but I've been to two of those three). I'm in Germany, and my reference point is Hesse where I've heavily patronized the clubs there. In Hesse, for 250 euros per hour you can get massage, BBBJ / CIM, and anal. One complaint against Hamburg is that you have to pay more for the same things than you have to in other parts of Germany. So, my point is that I've proved you can get in Hamburg what you can get at the Frankfurt Big 5 for the same price. And like I said, I have been to both New York and Dubai (second most expensive mongering destination I have personally been to), and if you think you can get BBBJ / CIM and anal in those cities from a hot girl for the equivalent of 250 euros per hour (if she even agrees to do either in the first place), then you sir don't know what you're talking about! And try getting that in Zurich (the most expensive mongering destination I have been to). You won't at any of the top clubs in Switzerland (although the girls will in fact do BBBJ / CIM and anal), so your claim that 250 euros is going to be golden around the world is very misguided. Although, I must admit that my NRW experience is light, so maybe as you say I could get an NRW tute to throw in doing my laundry as part of a 250 euros per hour package deal! I'll see if I can negotiate that in when I visit Dusseldorf and Cologne on a subsequent trip!In NRW, 1 hour is 80 at H7, or Aca Gold, or Aca, and 100 in others. Except at Oceans, CIM is 25 and anal 50. For 250, You can have 2 hours with anal. In Switzerland, only 1 standard hour for this rate, no anal, but often great GFE experience.
To The Cane:
Thanks so much for your fantastic contributions over the past week or so. This latest (last?) installment is a really great read: Bravo!!
You have really shined a (coherent) light on Hamburg as another corner of Germany with viable FKK clubs. I know HH well, mostly from my time there in the '90's / early 2000's. Over the past ten / twelve years, however, I simply would visit for a night or two to re-charge after multiple days / nights in Hessen or NRW clubs, knowing HH offered a great enviroment for chilling out, eating good food (great fish, if you know where to go), drink beer and play some poker in Spielbank Hamburg or a smaller casino out in one of the suburbs. During this period I never felt tempted to engage in hunting for sex, just used to occassionally walk down Herbertstrasse and look, knowing full well the bang for the buck was more rip-off the Euro, no value for money.
But your recent "buttfucking my way through Deutschland" reports, esp highlighting HH-Babylon, have clearly shown there is FKK action to be had am Alster. Thanks again for excellent work.
I believe that there are some good looking girls at Babylon or the other Hamburg clubs, but as HB mentionned earlier, it does have that reputation for upselling. And The Cane's report doesn't really suggest otherwise with 250 and 90 e (for half an hour standard?) I just discussed Babylon Hamburg (its allways been the main Babylon. The Köln Babylon is minor comparably) with this young sweet german girl at Palace who had worked there, and she told me how the girls at Babylon Hamburg were pushing the upsell agenda. Her record was pulling 500 e from a dude for 1 hour. It didn't make me want to visit there aside from maybe see the place. Not as a regular mongering destination. And she just came from working there very recently... must have been a top girl even.
To The Cane:
Thanks so much for your fantastic contributions over the past week or so. This latest (last?) installment is a really great read: Bravo!! But your recent "buttfucking my way through Deutschland" reports, esp highlighting HH-Babylon, have clearly shown there is FKK action to be had am Alster. Thanks again for excellent work.Thanks for your words Ortos. Hey, check this out. As the night wound down at FKK Babylon Hamburg, I was talking to a dark-haired German chick named Lena. And guess what? She asks me if I had ever tried anal sex! Ahahahahaha! I think that besides IT Travel who posts pretty exclusively in the Anal Connoisseurs section, I may be the biggest cornholer of women on this site LOL! And guess what? Hopefully I'm not finished yet! More to come hehehe!
In NRW, 1 hour is 80 at H7, or Aca Gold, or Aca, and 100 in others. Except at Oceans, CIM is 25 and anal 50. For 250, You can have 2 hours with anal. In Switzerland, only 1 standard hour for this rate, no anal, but often great GFE experience.I hope to fully explore the NRW region on a future trip. I made that one expedition to GT a few years ago and disliked it, and just never went back to the region. I don't know. From what I read, just seems like the NRW clubs aren't as nice and maybe even a little dirty and dumpy. Except Oceans of course, which is new. Which city would it be best to "headquarter" in? Dusseldorf or Koln? I typically don't rent a car, so that's something for me to take into consideration too. Seems like in NRW you must have a car to get around to all of the clubs. Either that, or pay expensive taxis. When renting a car, then I worry about having to pay expensive nightly parking fees at a hotel, or showing up at a club that has barely any parking for cars at akk. Any advice on this and the best way to "work" Dusseldorf and Koln? Is taking the train around a possibility like it is in the Frankfurt metro area? By the time of a trip, I will have figured all of this out. But hell, I'm still on this one right now!
PussyLiccker
02-13-17, 18:47
I believe that there are some good looking girls at Babylon or the other Hamburg clubs, but as HB mentionned earlier, it does have that reputation for upselling. And The Cane's report doesn't really suggest otherwise with 250 and 90 e (for half an hour standard?) I just discussed Babylon Hamburg (its allways been the main Babylon. The Kln Babylon is minor comparably) with this young sweet german girl at Palace who had worked there, and she told me how the girls at Babylon Hamburg were pushing the upsell agenda. Her record was pulling 500 e from a dude for 1 hour. It didn't make me want to visit there aside from maybe see the place. Not as a regular mongering destination. And she just came from working there very recently... must have been a top girl even.Negotiating package deals does not reveal how the girls react to basic offer or how tight the standards are. Doesn't reveal upsells.
He does point out a girl suggesting 100 for the half even if the desk says 60 at Harmony. Of course if you negotiate with extras that includes anal, she's making much more so, she would likely go with the offer.
I don't know if it's bothering to checkout. The girls got to really good looking to worth a visit if making their price is prevelant.
Negotiations for service is not what find in a good time. I'm want to forget business when I'm in clubs.
Good transparent reporting by Cane I must say.
Negotiating package deals does not reveal how the girls react to basic offer or how tight the standards are. Doesn't reveal upsells.
He does point out a girl suggesting 100 for the half even if the desk says 60 at Harmony. Of course if you negotiate with extras that includes anal, she's making much more so, she would likely go with the offer.
I don't know if it's bothering to checkout. The girls got to really good looking to worth a visit if making their price is prevelant.
Negotiations for service is not what find in a good time. I'm want to forget business when I'm in clubs.
Good transparent reporting by Cane I must say.At Harmony, you can have real GFE 30 mn for 60 €, with DFK, DATY and BBBJ.
Banana Boi
02-13-17, 23:53
When renting a car, then I worry about having to pay expensive nightly parking fees at a hotel, or showing up at a club that has barely any parking for cars at akk. Any advice on this and the best way to "work" Dusseldorf and Koln?Parking is free on the streets in Germany. Just don't park anywhere it says no parking. Some secluded hotels like Tryp have no parking near it so you have to pay around 10 euro per night.
As for hotel place yourself in Dusseldorf near one of the highways. 20 minutes to Mondial and 30 minutes to Samya in Koln, 15-25 minutes to DUSS area clubs like LR, ACA, Oceans.
I hope to fully explore the NRW region on a future trip. I made that one expedition to GT a few years ago and disliked it, and just never went back to the region. I don't know. From what I read, just seems like the NRW clubs aren't as nice and maybe even a little dirty and dumpy. Except Oceans of course, which is new. Which city would it be best to "headquarter" in? Dusseldorf or Koln? I typically don't rent a car, so that's something for me to take into consideration too. Seems like in NRW you must have a car to get around to all of the clubs. Either that, or pay expensive taxis. When renting a car, then I worry about having to pay expensive nightly parking fees at a hotel, or showing up at a club that has barely any parking for cars at akk. Any advice on this and the best way to "work" Dusseldorf and Koln? Is taking the train around a possibility like it is in the Frankfurt metro area? By the time of a trip, I will have figured all of this out. But hell, I'm still on this one right now!GT is now a touristic club, like Oase or Sharks. I m not an anal sex guy, but a Romanian GF lover, so LR is my little paradise since September, meeting there real GF behavior. Also YY NL close to GT.
Negotiating package deals does not reveal how the girls react to basic offer or how tight the standards are. Doesn't reveal upsells.
He does point out a girl suggesting 100 for the half even if the desk says 60 at Harmony. Yes, the 250 I got, but the 90 e session was a little vague. Don't know if he wants to give pointers on his take on upsells at babylon. ?
Parking is free on the streets in Germany. Just don't park anywhere it says no parking. Some secluded hotels like Tryp have no parking near it so you have to pay around 10 euro per night.
As for hotel place yourself in Dusseldorf near one of the highways. 20 minutes to Mondial and 30 minutes to Samya in Koln, 15-25 minutes to DUSS area clubs like LR, ACA, Oceans.Many German cities now demand parking is paid at news stands (no signs stating this within the city). The signs I'm told are at city borders.
As you enter. I learned this the hard way once in Krefeld. No signs anywhere so I parked. Came back less than an hour later and found a parking attendant for the city had written me a ticket for parking without permit. (no signs that permits are needed).
I asked the attendant why and was given the excuse they no longer post signs within the city it's up to the drivers to know this and the city posts signs at the city limits. So to be safe sometimes it's best to bite the bullet and do the pay for parking. Germany.
Is not exactly like the US.
This new parking regulation is not new in fact it's been enforced this way for years for the entire city of Vienna Austria (a huge city).
In NRW, 1 hour is 80 at H7, or Aca Gold, or Aca, and 100 in others. Except at Oceans, CIM is 25 and anal 50. For 250, You can have 2 hours with anal. In Switzerland, only 1 standard hour for this rate, no anal, but often great GFE experience.Why 'except at Oceans'? I've been offered CIM there for just 20 e from one girl and 30 by another. But I'm guessing some girls just haven't been informed. Which makes me think the club itself doesnt have a policy on cim. But girls make up their own prices... then again, I never ask for it myself as it is not my thing... but a few girls seems to have a kink for cim...
Why 'except at Oceans'? I've been offered CIM there for just 20 e from one girl and 30 by another. But I'm guessing some girls just haven't been informed. Which makes me think the club itself doesnt have a policy on cim. But girls make up their own prices... then again, I never ask for it myself as it is not my thing... but a few girls seems to have a kink for cim...For my Oceans visits a while ago, some girls say 50 for CIM and 100 for anal, Hessen rates, not NRW rates. Maybe times and business changed at Oceans.
I hope to fully explore the NRW region on a future trip. Seems like in NRW you must have a car to get around to all of the clubs. Either that, or pay expensive taxis. When renting a car, then I worry about having to pay expensive nightly parking fees at a hotel, or showing up at a club that has barely any parking for cars at akk. Any advice on this and the best way to "work" Dusseldorf and Koln? Is taking the train around a possibility like it is in the Frankfurt metro area? LR is dead easy to reach by S-bahn from DD-Hbf. There is an S-bahn line (S28 or something similar?) that has a stop Kaarst-Ikea, only minutes walk from LR. I always found LR a very positive experience with good to above-average line-ups. So, whilst driving a car might give you more flexibility, not having a car is no "game-changer" when it comes to LR.
Similar situation for Samya in Koeln as well. An S-bahn will bring you just a few minutes walk away from the club.
TankTank123
02-14-17, 10:25
There is an S-bahn line (S28 or something similar?) that has a stop Kaarst-Ikea, only minutes walk from LR.
Similar situation for Samya in Koeln as well. An S-bahn will bring you just a few minutes walk away from the club.Yes, it is S28.
And the train from Cologne to Samya (stop at Michaelshoven) is U16. Look for the underground U-Bahn station next to the Cologne, not the S-Bahn at the Hbf. (Trains to Bernd's and Babylon, however, leave from the S-Bahn track at the northern end of the Hbf.)
To Cane: Bernd's, Babylon, Dolce Vita and Acapulco Gold are also easily accessible by train followed by (taxi, bus or walk). I do not drive and I have been frequenting these clubs.
None of these clubs are 'dirty and dumpy', except for the locker rooms of some of them. But they are all small compared to the big ones in Hessen.
Parking is free on the streets in Germany. Just don't park anywhere it says no parking. Some secluded hotels like Tryp have no parking near it so you have to pay around 10 euro per night.
It is definitely not free everywhere. Sometimes it is only for locals with a permit and / or "nur mit Parkschein", meaning you have to buy a ticket for a certain amount of time (there might be a maximum) and display it behind the windscreen. Sometimes (usually), this is only for certain days / hours.
ExpatLover
02-15-17, 19:52
Yes, it is S28.
And the train from Cologne to Samya (stop at Michaelshoven) is U16. Look for the underground U-Bahn station next to the Cologne, not the S-Bahn at the Hbf. (Trains to Bernd's and Babylon, however, leave from the S-Bahn track at the northern end of the Hbf.)
To Cane: Bernd's, Babylon, Dolce Vita and Acapulco Gold are also easily accessible by train followed by (taxi, bus or walk). I do not drive and I have been frequenting these clubs.
None of these clubs are 'dirty and dumpy', except for the locker rooms of some of them. But they are all small compared to the big ones in Hessen.What about Ocean? I want to give a try to this club?
What about Ocean? I want to give a try to this club?Walk from Düsseldorf-Rath S-bahn station. About 17 minutes through Wahlerstraße. Then again, why not rent a car?
On Tuesday 21 February I decided to pay a visit to FKK Babylon (Hamburg). This was my first time in this club. I have however been to FKK Artemis (Berlin) many times and some FKKs in Frankfurt. Entry fee was E65, the guy at the reception said for girls it is E60 for half hour with CFS & CBJ, everything after that has to be negotiated. Firstly I'd like to say I thought the standard of the facilities is very good. Pool, Sauna, Restaurant & Bar all very nice in my opinion. The club was quiet throughout the whole evening with maybe 20 girls. I talked to nearly all the girls there at some point for a few minutes or more at a time. Whilst most were pretty and polite I was not impressed at all by the prices been thrown out there. Nearly all of them wanted at least E100 per half hour to include BBJ instead of CBJ and kissing also. I asked would they include CIM aswell in that E100 to make it comparable with the Frankfurt clubs but all of them said CIM was E50 extra and refused to budge on that, so you would be looking at E150 all in! This is Hamburg not Frankfurt was the typical remark by the girls! In the end I only did one session, Maria from Albania, a petite blond haired girl with large natural breasts. I liked her attitude when I talked to her and she was fine with E80 for the session, E60 + E20 for BBJ. She kissed also, and no talk of that been extra. I think the whole paying extra for kissing is nonsense. Either a girl wants to do it with you or she doesn't. It was a nice enjoyable session. In summary I only visited this club as I was in Hamburg anyway, but I certainly wouldn't return purely for mongering. There is certainly much better options for mongering in other parts of Germany. FKK Artemis is still my favorite, whilst E80 entrance most girls are fine with E60 half hour with BBJ as standard.
I talked toFKK Artemis is still my favorite, whilst E80 entrance most girls are fine with E60 half hour with BBJ as standard.Yes, but at Artemis if you do BBBJ / CIM (which is what you inquired about at this club) in a 30 minute session, now you're at 110 euros and not 60. The gap is now 40 euros difference between what you were quoted at FKK Babylon Hamburg and what you would pay at Artemis for the same kind of services. Now, I was easily able to negotiate these kinds of gaps in prices down to what I would pay in the Hessen clubs. The difference could very well have been that I am an hour-long man versus a 30 minute man. That makes a huge difference to a lot of the girls (in virtually all clubs I think) in terms of what they are willing to do, including on pricing. If you're only going to pay for a 30 minute session, which seems to be what you were inquiring about, then they are going to be less willing to budge. I do hour-long sessions. This needs to be emphasized as it makes a difference in the negotiations.
For those who want to know a bit what is Globe, video on their website, but no more inside hot swimming pool. That was my best brothels swimming pool. Never saw porn shows there, but public BBBJ. Champagne for brunch before 5 pm on Sunday.
Hessen Bub
02-24-17, 10:06
I was not impressed at all by the prices been thrown out there. Nearly all of them wanted at least E100 per half hour to include BBJ instead of CBJ and kissing also.That's the reason why Babylon is off my list and not a go to club.
HB.
PussyLiccker
02-24-17, 10:49
The desk telling what the standard pricing is per half HR, and if kissing is important, that's where the upselling show's it's ugly head in places where pricing is loose, or we call them "make their own pricing. ".
If that type of stuff is most prevalent, I doubt that Babylon is a local club for regulars. I believe there is typically in different parts, locals tend to go for short distanced more convenience options, and ones they avoid. Wonder which Hamburg club is more for locals?
Was there ever a time when standards were tight? Why is the standard so loose? Hamburg is actually 3rd most touristic city in De behind Berlin and Munich. What is the clientele demographics like? Are lot of them nearby Scandinavians?
Wonder which Hamburg club is more for locals? Hamburg is actually 3rd most touristic city in De behind Berlin and Munich.Hamburg is also Germany's second largest city, and tourism is growing. I bet the locals favor FKK Harmony as it is the farthest away from the central city LOL!
Theories as to why Hamburg is such a rip off. I have a totally unscientific idea. Hamburg was one of the most important Hanseatic cities and had huge links especially with London. Hamburg seems to be the German city most like England, and the English used to be past masters at ripping off foreigners, so maybe it's something in the cultural history. Hamburg and London are the only cities where I have been scammed with the threat of violence.
Theories as to why Hamburg is such a rip off. I have a totally unscientific idea. Hamburg was one of the most important Hanseatic cities and had huge links especially with London. Hamburg seems to be the German city most like England, and the English used to be past masters at ripping off foreigners, so maybe it's something in the cultural history. Hamburg and London are the only cities where I have been scammed with the threat of violence.I think that the reputation that Hamburg has is well-deserved. And, the reasons for it are all still there if you are stupid enough to fall for them (Reeperbahn, Herbertstrasse, and Davidstrasse). If you go to those place looking for sex, then you're going to get what you deserve. Or maybe not LOL! The main point I wanted to try to make with my posts is not that Hamburg is the best or has the hottest women or whatever. My main goal was to show that there is another kind of Hamburg out there now! It is a Hamburg with Tier 1 FKKs where you can go to to procure legitimate sex.
We have FKK Atmos, FKK Babylon-Hamburg, and FKK Harmony (apparently there is also an FKK Romeo which I was not aware of). But these are all legit business establishments where you're not going to get ripped off as if you're fucking with the Reeperbahn and environs! This is my central thesis. A corollary point was that I was able to get the same pricing for services as in Hesse for an equivalent amount of time. I found that I was able to negotiate this for hour-long sessions. Somebody else wrote a recent report where he said he could not get the girls to budge. I noticed that he was going for 30 minute sessions. This could have been the difference as I did not have a lot of difficulty getting the Hamburg FKK tutes to come down to Hessen-equivalent pricing. This was my experience, and I have zero reason to mislead anybody about this.
Now, if somebody thinks there are better places in Germany to go FKKing, OK. I actually agree! I never said Hamburg was the best or had the best prices in Germany. What I'm saying is that there is now legit sex to be bought in Hamburg! That's what I'm saying. And it is an important and informative message to send to Mongerdom. But at the same time, I did enjoy the city of Hamburg and the places I visited greatly (including the FKKs) and I would go there again. Hopefully when it's warm so that I can really be outside and enjoy! Maybe even find a good hamburger steak in Hamburg the next time LOL! Then go to one of the FKKs and get my dick sucked! This is how a monger does it.
Theories as to why Hamburg is such a rip off. I have a totally unscientific idea. Hamburg was one of the most important Hanseatic cities and had huge links especially with London. Hamburg seems to be the German city most like England, and the English used to be past masters at ripping off foreigners, so maybe it's something in the cultural history.Hamburg's been a busy port for centuries. So I imagine all the sailors made the city a hotbed for vices. Men who have been at sea for months are going to look for prostitutes and they are going to get drunk. So I imagine criminals would have tried to take advantage of them. Port of London was the biggest port in the world in 18th and 19th centuries.
When the Allies carved up Germany after WWII, Hamburg was occupied by the British. Perhaps that is why you see similarities.
Somebody else wrote a recent report where he said he could not get the girls to budge. I noticed that he was going for 30 minute sessions. This could have been the difference as I did not have a lot of difficulty getting the Hamburg FKK tutes to come down to Hessen-equivalent pricing. Yes that was myself. From reading your previous reports of FKK visits it seems you have a budget of E250 to spend on each 60 minute session to include anal also. All I can say is fair play if you have that kind of cash to splash around but I certainly don't! I normally go for 30 minute sessions, sometimes to include CIM also, occasionally I do 60 minutes sessions but only with a girl I have been with at least once before. I never commit to a 60 minute session with a girl that I haven't been with before, no matter how sweet she seems to be or what she promises. I suspect my approach and budget would be a lot more in line with the average FKK punter here on ISG.
Theories as to why Hamburg is such a rip off. I have a totally unscientific idea. Hamburg was one of the most important Hanseatic cities and had huge links especially with London. Hamburg seems to be the German city most like England, and the English used to be past masters at ripping off foreigners, so maybe it's something in the cultural history. Hamburg and London are the only cities where I have been scammed with the threat of violence.Nothing to do with London. Hamburg is the only major seaport in Germany (even though it is not on the sea) and, like in many ports, prostitution evolved to suit the sailors. So for a long time it was the only place to go for a reasonable offer of prostitution. As a result, it attracted tourists, most who would be there even once, so it was more profitable to rip them off. Other places have grown up in the internet age and due to forums like this one the wheat is quickly separated from the chaff. Hamburg still attract clueless people because of its reputation, and probably as long as there is more money in ripping people off, it won't change much. There are, though, other offers, not aimied at clueless tourists.
Sven. As you say, Hamburg is a port , and with a bad reputation, going right back to the days of the money laden sailor days. Just like London. I was being a trifle flippant about the connection, just wanting to create a background.
You state that Hamburg is nothing to do with London. Well, I like to think there are some connections: it interests me to think so. If you don't agree with what I only put forward as a thought, then that's no problem.
Hamburg's been a busy port for centuries. So I imagine all the sailors made the city a hotbed for vices. Men who have been at sea for months are going to look for prostitutes and they are going to get drunk. So I imagine criminals would have tried to take advantage of them. Port of London was the biggest port in the world in 18th and 19th centuries.
When the Allies carved up Germany after WWII, Hamburg was occupied by the British. Perhaps that is why you see similarities.Yes exactly right, just look at the old 19th Century songs (New York Girls, Ratcliffe Highway). Clueless men awash with money are always a prime .target
As for similarities I feel when in Hamburg (as opposed to say Munich), I think they arise possibly a little from the extremely strong German and prosperous trading community there used to be in London in Hanseatic times. I personally also know of many north German poorer families who settled in London.
Going further back the English are composed to a great degree of immigrants/invaders from the tribes living on the Baltic and North Sea, so it is not surprising to find some echoes of this in modern days. Even now, after years of new migrants from the old Empire, about 50% of the English have German ancestors (I'm not sure if that means very much)
Anyway I guess I'm severely off topic.Apologies to all.
Cane. Yes. My comments about Hamburg were not meant to include the areas FKKs, of which I have no experience. Apologies to you and everybody for getting myself off topic.
Now, if somebody thinks there are better places in Germany to go FKKing, OK. I actually agree! I never said Hamburg was the best or had the best prices in Germany. What I'm saying is that there is now legit sex to be bought in Hamburg! That's what I'm saying. And it is an important and informative message to send to Mongerdom.The above quote reminds me of my first visits to Hamburg back in 04- 05. It was in the early days of sex forums on the internet, and one of the most interesting topics was how to avoid rip-offs at the Hamburg scene. One answer stood out: Visit a FKK! Standard pricing, reasonable service standards, nude girls. So even at that time (around 2004), the FKK clubs of Hamburg were already one of the better options when in that area.
Now, as a firsttimer to a FKK club I was thrilled by the experience of course. I was "shocked" that some of the girls even provided BJ without and kissing with tongue. I later learned (from ISG) that DFK / BBBJ / DATY was in fact a standard service that should be expected at the FKK's when visiting Hessen or NRW, and that the Hamburg and Bavaria scene lacked those standards (which concurred with my own experiences in Hamburg). I was also intrigued by the larger selection of girls at the big FKK clubs, thus curiosity took me to Frankfurt. I was soon to be hooked on DFK / BBBJ and never looked back on Hamburg. DFK / BBBJ never was a standard service at the small Hamburg FKK clubs.
If we go fast forward to 2017, the lack of kissing in short sessions has spread to Hessen, and with the new law from 1st July that forbids BBBJ, the differences in service standards may not be that great in the future. How the new law will affect quality of line-ups we do not know yet. Let's wait and see.
PussyLiccker
02-25-17, 18:11
So, the itemized pricing has always been like how it is currently?
Has the clubs been around longer than Hessen clubs? Back then, was the pricing in the clubs the same or was it like today?
There are two establishments close to the boarder elsewhere, they have a schedule of girls working and the webpage has itemized pricing listing of girl offerings. Probably more of an apartment like places. Termingirls is similar build off of being close to the airport obviously targetting flyers.
Looking at this marketing in a broader perspective, Germany has the core of clubs, and ones closer to outsiders. The core clubs will have more regulars and locals, and therefore less chances of newbies with less knowledge of pricing.
Not all Hesse are the same based on last falls visits. My experience at World, did not run into upsells or proposals for extended rooms for services. I find the standards are tighter there.
Oh and by the way, Gaby ex-Oase manager was working at World then.
So, the itemized pricing has always been like how it is currently?I can't tell as my experience back then was too limited.
Has the clubs been around longer than Hessen clubs?Which clubs?
HB / Optimist know more about this than myself, but I think the story goes something like this:
Bernd's claims to have been the original FKK club since 1981, but I don't think the concept of FKK clubs really took off until prostitution laws were changed (sometimes in the late 90's?).
When I entered in around 2003- 04 I believe FKK 125 and Atmos were the only FKK clubs around Hamburg (Bergerdorf opened a couple of years later?) At that time World had just started and Palace and Oase had been around for a couple of years, aka The Big Three at the time (no Sharks or Mainhattan). Frankfurt major FKK club of fame, Atlantis, was closed down before I went to Frankfurt in 2004.
Back then, was the pricing in the clubs the same or was it like today?From a Hamburg pov I can only speak for FKK 125. Entrance fee 50 E, session fee same as Hessen 50 E /30 with extras CIM 50 E and Anal 100 E. I never experienced extras for kissing, DATY or BBBJ at the time, but it does not mean it did not exist (my experience is too limited). What is certain is that DFK / BBBJ were not guaranteed (as a standard service) by all girls.
I am not updated with the Hamburg scene today, but my understanding is that some girls DFK / BBBJ for free, some for a fee (20+ 20?), and some don't DFK / BBBJ at all. In my book that is not Hessen standard.
Not all Hesse are the same based on last falls visits. My experience at World, did not run into upsells or proposals for extended rooms for services. I find the standards are tighter there.Well, this is your style. Making a couple of visits to a club and then creating a myth in numerous reports. So now you are pushing all the service fundamentalists to World as if there are no upsells there? Good luck with that!
There are upsellers at all the Hessen clubs. Always has been. Working the LU and making the right picks have always been important. It ain't hard, but the job needs to be done. TC does this well, and I am not surprised he succeeds in Hamburg as well as in Vienna or Spain.
World is a great club, and I rarely see any upsells there, but it does happen and you cannot ignore it. I think a lot of guys (including yourself) exaggerate how bad the service at Oase is or that Sharks is the best service club out there. This is not my experience anyway. Palace is a minefield.
PussyLiccker
02-25-17, 23:22
Myth? Don't be ridiculous. It is well known what goes on in the clubs now.
You story goes from everything should be standard to now, oh I'm not 30 min guy. Right. Whatever.
Hessen Bub
02-26-17, 09:04
Working the LU and making the right picks have always been important. It ain't hard, but the job needs to be done. TC does this well, and I am not surprised he succeeds in Hamburg as well as in Vienna or Spain.TC had mostly 200€/ h or more sessions. Not that hard to find good sessions for that rate.
HB.
DFK / BBBJ never was a standard service at the small Hamburg FKK clubs.The thing is, FKK Babylon-Hamburg is not a small FKK club. Well, the line-up is small compared to the FKKs you will find in Hessen, and maybe that's what you mean, but the facility itself is big. On par with the Hessen Big 5. They could accommodate a lot more girls there, but I absolutely love the diversity of nationalities of the providers working there now. I would say that FKK Atmos is mid-sized in terms of the facilities, while FKK Harmony is on the smaller side of things. All were clean and in good working order. I did not attend FKK Romeo, so I don't know about that one.
TC had mostly 200/ h or more sessions. Not that hard to find good sessions for that rate.
HB.True. But he also expresses how he takes his time with the girls before committing himself reaching a mutal understanding of what is going to happen in the room at a given price. I think this is a major key if you intend to have good experiences in places like Hamburg, Vienna or most places in Spain. Or; try to get decent 50 E sessions in Hessen.
Hessen Bub
02-26-17, 12:33
If I go to Jenny or Kylie at Palace and offer them 250€ for an hour including DFK, anal and CIM I'll get a great session within 2 min, no mutual understanding needed. If you want to get DFK for 50€/30 min with the same girls. Different picture. It's that easy and true even for clubs known for upsell like Artemis, Palace, Paradise, Babylon Hamburg.
HB.
In around 4 month we'll get a new price structure for P6 in Germany. And in no way an official one bc. BBBJ is illegal. And one other point we should give up the idea that all girls have the same value. I can't see why a 10 should work for the same price like a 6. Ok very important for German FKK club success story was this standard price but this is gone anyway on July 1st.
True. But he also expresses how he takes his time with the girls before committing himself reaching a mutal understanding of what is going to happen in the room at a given price. I think this is a major key if you intend to have good experiences in places like Hamburg, Vienna or most places in Spain. Or; try to get decent 50 E sessions in Hessen.Yes, you really need to make sure you have an understanding with the girl before you go to the room. Especially if you intend to spend up to 250 euros for the session! I spent a lot more on CIM this trip than I normally have on any other FKK trip to Germany before. Of course, the reason was July 1st and the coming legal changes. I don't think BBBJ / CIM is going away anytime soon actually. The girls are still going to do it. But, I just wanted to enjoy without having to think too much about procuring that particular service, which is likely to change after the law is revised.
I can see tutes trying for 50 euros more for a BBBJ, and then another 50 euros for CIM! You find this sort of thing in Munich and Hamburg already. The good thing about Hamburg though, as previously written, was that for hour-long sessions I could negotiate Hessen-equivalent prices. This expensive tactic (50 for BBBJ + another 50 for CIM) should be rejected by Hessen, NRW, and Artemis mongers! I won't pay this in Hessen or at Artemis (or NRW when I go). After all, it's the monger who will be putting himself at risk in the eyes of the law, and not the tute. So, I think paying the standard 50 euros additional for BBBJ & CIM (as is the price now in most parts of Germany) should be enough incentive to the girls to keep offering BBBJ / CIM service. If not, then I will simply go back to rarely ever doing CIM then. I'll just drop anchor up in that ass is what hahahaha!
In around 4 month we'll get a new price structure for P6 in Germany. And in no way an official one bc. BBBJ is illegal. And one other point we should give up the idea that all girls have the same value. I can't see why a 10 should work for the same price like a 6. Ok very important for German FKK club success story was this standard price but this is gone anyway on July 1st.Yes, but it is the monger who will be punished if caught, and not the tute! So, what real basis do the tutes have to raise prices? That will only work if we go for it! Don't!
PussyLiccker
02-26-17, 13:07
That is if the session is really great for 250 Euros. I mean Stella doesn't kiss, but still has 100 Euros package for 30 min and at times 150 I've heard as well. I have been with girls that really the service wouldn't be considered good for 100 Euros, and this type of interaction with certain girls that is looking to extract puts a bad outlook on other girls to provide honest to good services worth extending. There are girls looking to lock in 100, and are not really reputed for services. As a customer, obviously you will be looking for great services for your money, and lower the less out of your pocket. If you are ok with dropping 250 with chances of service, that's one's peragative.
You got to consider that some clubs, chances of running into this is much lower.
Anyway, p6. The draw of De is really the standards, if not go somewhere where 10's cost significantly more if one feel that is much more worthy.
If people like the looseness of standards, those clubs exist, and people can check them out. LOL.
Hessen Bub
02-26-17, 13:23
Stella also does 50€ sessions. And she doesn't kiss for extra money.
Everything about the situation after July 1st is pure speculation. Yawn.
HB.
ExpatLover
02-26-17, 20:45
Yes, you really need to make sure you have an understanding with the girl before you go to the room. Especially if you intend to spend up to 250 euros for the session! I spent a lot more on CIM this trip than I normally have on any other FKK trip to Germany before. Of course, the reason was July 1st and the coming legal changes. I don't think BBBJ / CIM is going away anytime soon actually. The girls are still going to do it. But, I just wanted to enjoy without having to think too much about procuring that particular service, which is likely to change after the law is revised.
I can see tutes trying for 50 euros more for a BBBJ, and then another 50 euros for CIM! You find this sort of thing in Munich and Hamburg already. The good thing about Hamburg though, as previously written, was that for hour-long sessions I could negotiate Hessen-equivalent prices. This expensive tactic (50 for BBBJ + another 50 for CIM) should be rejected by Hessen, NRW, and Artemis mongers! I won't pay this in Hessen or at Artemis (or NRW when I go). After all, it's the monger who will be putting himself at risk in the eyes of the law, and not the tute. So, I think paying the standard 50 euros additional for BBBJ & CIM (as is the price now in most parts of Germany) should be enough incentive to the girls to keep offering BBBJ / CIM service. If not, then I will simply go back to rarely ever doing CIM then. I'll just drop anchor up in that ass is what hahahaha!Obviously you like to negotiate a lot before to make the things a little bit like a machine, I do exactly the opposite never discuss something before the room, just go there wait and see what will come and I am close to never to be disappointed. Now sorry to be a bit more precise do you really believe that a sweet girl will accept to do anal with you before seeing if you are big / too big for her or not, let's be modest and realistic those kind of girls want to protect their body and will only do thing if they consider it will not harm their health, they are far to be desperate. Some of them are earning 10000 to 15000 euros / month, and also they have a lot of regular in the club who are booking them for many hours.
Obviously you like to negotiate a lot before to make the things a little bit like a machine. Now sorry to be a bit more precise do you really believe that a sweet girl will accept to do anal with you before seeing if you are big / too big for her or not.Reading stuff into my posts that's simply not there! There is nothing machine-like about it at all. It's all very friendly and easy-going and naturally woven into whatever conversation we're having. All very laid back. And the truth of the matter is that most of the girls will initiate that part of it themselves by asking me what I would like to do in the room. That's a good time to talk about service and price. But it's not like sitting across from each other at a negotiating or bargaining table! All much more informal and a natural part of the conversation than that!
And the other truth of the matter is that most girls who agree to anal with me do not ask me about size first or make it contingent upon that. Some do, but most don't. And I go with plenty of "sweet" girls. This has nothing to do with what I "believe". It's what I know! Stop reading stuff into my posts that isn't there. And good for you if you like to take your chances and see what happens in the room. I don't recommend that to anybody. No instead, just take a few moments in a friendly, laid back manner to say what you want, and at what price. This is the best way to avoid misunderstandings and disappointments in the room. If you're going to spend your hard-earned money, then just like with any other part of life, make an effort to get what you want for giving up that cash!
Little bird on the roof says Kylie (palace) can do great sessions for 50 also. No need to spend 250. But not for everyone.
Little bird on the roof says Kylie (palace) can do great sessions for 50 also. No need to spend 250. But not for everyone.I don't know which one is Kylie, as she did not approach me. If she did, then the name was not shared. But here's the thing. If you want anal and BBBJ / CIM in your session, and I did a lot my last trip, then even in a 30 minute session you're going to pay 200 euros! So, I would rather pay an additional 50 euros to have more time to get what I want in a non-rushed scenario. So sure, yes maybe you can get a good session (whatever one deems to be good) for 50 euros from this "Kylie". But for me, "good" means non-rushed sex with anal and BBBJ / CIM. Plus some massage thrown in! So, I gladly paid 250 euros to get "the full Monty" at a more relaxed, less clock-watching pace. This is how I do. An hour-long man! Didn't do one 30 minute session during my entire last trip LOL!
In around 4 month we'll get a new price structure for P6 in Germany. And in no way an official one bc. BBBJ is illegal. And one other point we should give up the idea that all girls have the same value. I can't see why a 10 should work for the same price like a 6. Ok very important for German FKK club success story was this standard price but this is gone anyway on July 1st.Problem with the minds of many FKK girls is that they only see 50 notes. So any upsell is 50 e extra. Doesn't matter which. And if a girl thinks she is worth more than other girls, that will probably be another 50 e up.
This kind of mindset is so rediculously ridgid and laughable that if it gains traction based on looks also, I will deffinately move on.
Tiered level of quality upgrades makes sense however. But even that can hurt the german FKK model and send people packing to other destinatioms. I for one can only take so many top girls giving indications of higher rates before I explore new waters. Thats how free men live before they get the ring. And even after that according to some here on the board. But I guess they just have a lame wife.
I can even get top apartment girls where I live for around 110e. So anything over 70 or 80e in germany/austria makes a 3-4 day trip wasteful and bad given cost balance to me. Switzerland is already outprizing themselves massively...
I am thinking the best way for the customers and the girls is only one solution: they have to start limiting the amount of girls at the clubs, and enforce qualiity control. And choose girls out of looks and service...
The amount of girls are not getting any lower. It might be twice as many p6 girls in a few years given how society is liberalizing, finding jobs is getting harder and more countries are getting in with visa free travel (plus cheaper flights).
Limiting the amount of clubs is therefor the best part of the new german law as far as I can tell. If only the clubs can move that type of thinking forward and cap the girls also based on quality.
It is the same analogy you see in Macau with casino licenses and legally allowed numbers of gaming tables. Or taxi licenses in most european countries. If you don't do it like this, you will get empty gaming tables or taxis not earning money because of the overflow. And according to Steve Wynn himself, nothing hurts the market more than empty tables. So it is good, even to him to have such restrictions... Or you will find taxies like in sweden (where I don't think they have a cap on licenses) who rips you off charging 2x the standard fare from airport to downtown...
ExpatLover
02-28-17, 16:56
I don't know which one is Kylie, as she did not approach me. If she did, then the name was not shared. But here's the thing. If you want anal and BBBJ / CIM in your session, and I did a lot my last trip, then even in a 30 minute session you're going to pay 200 euros! So, I would rather pay an additional 50 euros to have more time to get what I want in a non-rushed scenario. So sure, yes maybe you can get a good session (whatever one deems to be good) for 50 euros from this "Kylie". But for me, "good" means non-rushed sex with anal and BBBJ / CIM. Plus some massage thrown in! So, I gladly paid 250 euros to get "the full Monty" at a more relaxed, less clock-watching pace. This is how I do. An hour-long man! Didn't do one 30 minute session during my entire last trip LOL!I fully agree with you and it is also what I do for 50 euros you can just get a very basic service except the girl falls in love of you.
But for me, "good" means non-rushed sex with anal and BBBJ / CIM. Plus some massage thrown in! So, I gladly paid 250 euros to get "the full Monty" at a more relaxed, less clock-watching pace. This is how I do. But you are The Great Cornholio.
But you are The Great Cornholio.Even though I may have gotten up in them cornholes 60% of the time during my last trip, I tapped those pussies 100% of the time!
TC (alias The Cornholio).
TC (alias The Cornholio).https://youtu.be/aCutOI9F8Ws
I fully agree with you and it is also what I do for 50 euros you can just get a very basic service except the girl falls in love of you.30 mn is too short time for me to foreplay, but had really great room with Deria. Tu, my first Turkish girl, at Aca for 40 € for nearly 40 mn, I regret I never saw her again. My first room with Madi World was also only 30 mn because I went to her at 4.15 am on a late Saturday night, when Stella. De didn't want to kiss me who brush my teeth once a year, in the afternoon. We finished at nearly 5 am and I asked her: Will you work on next Saturday? She looked at me with her black eyes, answering: But you said you live in Paris. I answered: If you work, I will come back for you. I did, what a welcome on next Saturday, never had other 30 mn room with her, of course, but she gave me a dreamed first 30 mn room without upselling or tip asked.
I mentioned this place about 6 months ago and then heard nothing more about it. But today I read on freiercafe that Saunaclub Beluga has announced it's scheduled to open on Thursday 23/03/2017. Address is Rostocker Str. 13,41540, Dormagen. Phone: +49 (0) 2133 9367404, www.saunaclub-beluga.com.
Any thoughts? Mine would be to not expect much when opening as it will take time to build up the customers and girls. And entrance is 60EUR
Delta Indigo
03-09-17, 14:42
I mentioned this place about 6 months ago and then heard nothing more about it. But today I read on freiercafe that Saunaclub Beluga has announced it's scheduled to open on Thursday 23/03/2017. Address is Rostocker Str. 13,41540, Dormagen. Phone: +49 (0) 2133 9367404, www.saunaclub-beluga.com.
Any thoughts? Mine would be to not expect much when opening as it will take time to build up the customers and girls. And entrance is 60EURI looked at their website. Does anyone know if this club is fully nude like Babylon, or just a sauna club?
Thanks.
PussyLiccker
03-09-17, 15:20
Great, like another club is needed at the NRW. 😑
Hopefully, it turns into a decent club, and only time will tell. Another club to split locals up by location. Could be another high Turk club basing on the location and if it turns out to be a night club. Depends on what kind of club it turns out to be, another Oceans, etc etc.
It will have to prove itself to compete with others nearby.
They got to do some marketing to gain interest at least. Looks like just some normal house during renovations. And not that big either.
Beluga opens Thursday but I have a free entry ticket for Friday so I'll post about my visit if things go as expected.
Beluga opens Thursday but I have a free entry ticket for Friday so I'll post about my visit if things go as expected.Have you been yet? Or anyone else to this new club Beluga?
Neurosynth
04-23-17, 22:00
Why in the world did they name it Beluga?
Let's play word association!
Beluga = a type of whale. Do you really want to go to an FKK known for its whales?
Beluga = a type of caviar. Given what caviar means in terms of German sex slang, do you really want to go to an FKK known for its caviar?
Why not Beluga? Club names aren't important for me. And how can you call a club Sharks? What's the meaning of a Shark at P6? But seems clients have no problem with this name.
I always thought of Bellagio after noticing that new place online at first. But I guess it is not Bellagio. Names are similar though, as long as we are playing word games... maybe they'd get in an lawsuit if they made it too similar. Like removing an l... it would have been a better name though. P6 money is always loose among gamblers...
Beluga is in a small building, very much like a house. I was going to visit but the parking around there is horrible, there's nothing close so those two factors were enough for me to turn around and go to another club.
Beluga is in a small building, very much like a house. I was going to visit but the parking around there is horrible, there's nothing close so those two factors were enough for me to turn around and go to another club.Beluga is type of sturgeon known for the best caviar. Beluga is also the name of Russian restaurant in Dusseldorf with live music and decent food.
Yes I know it has a thread but the heading will be tantamount to illegal soon.
I made a repeat visit. The Thekefrau is delightful and a real model for the whole industry in her friendliness. The club website does the half a dozen unchanging girls.
Vanessa looks much better in real life than even in the photos.
The reason to go was primarily Kathi. For 70 euros an hour you get DFK at is best and, if you have a "romantic" approach, she responds with real passion. Highly recommended, although if you like to talk, she takes a long time to open up.
A club with no upsell get, no stories about sick relatives, and no princesses
As always, no food at the club.
Neurosynth
04-29-17, 23:51
Yes I know it has a thread but the heading will be tantamount to illegal soon.
.Let's not get carried away. So far as I can tell the new German laws at most limit how these businesses can advertise. It has no impact on what individuals say or publish. And a German law can't restrict the speech of Americans in America anyway.
Let's not get carried away. So far as I can tell the new German laws at most limit how these businesses can advertise. It has no impact on what individuals say or publish. And a German law can't restrict the speech of Americans in America anyway.Yes I know. I was using a shorthand by using the catch all ",tantamount" to say that once we get to 1 July, the authorities could use all public sources to establish which places, if any, are breaking the law. If an individual reports in a forum that he did something illegal then that would be evidence, and, even in Germany with its relatively tight data privacy laws, this could lead to uncomfortable consequences.
Neurosynth
04-30-17, 21:22
Yes I know. I was using a shorthand by using the catch all ",tantamount" to say that once we get to 1 July, the authorities could use all public sources to establish which places, if any, are breaking the law. If an individual reports in a forum that he did something illegal then that would be evidence, and, even in Germany with its relatively tight data privacy laws, this could lead to uncomfortable consequences.In an American court I doubt anonymous descriptions posted on the internet would be admissible as evidence. There would be, for example, no opportunity for cross examination. I would hope it is the same under German law.
So that's the question of evidence. As for providing investigators with clues, as I mentioned elsewhere the German police don't need random tourists to tell them what is going on in their own back yard. They know what is what without our "help."
Neuro. Under my country's laws, the identifiable source of the public report could be traced and used as evidence. , so that's the background I come from. In the same way as a confession to murder would be unwise on an open forum, where the writer could eventually be traced.
I agree, the relevance of this forum to German law enforcement is probably minimal. I was just being cautious. It doesn't seem correct anyway for this forum to label any club as AO after July 1st as such clubs cannot exist (in any official or legally compliant sense).
Even if reports are not traced, it seems unwise to identify on public forums after July 1 any place which facilitates the breaking of the law
Neurosynth
04-30-17, 23:00
Neuro. Under my country's laws, the identifiable source of the public report could be traced and used as evidence. , so that's the background I come from. In the same way as a confession to murder would be unwise on an open forum, where the writer could eventually be traced.
So your theory is:
1. Some guy reports getting a BBBJ at club X.
2. German cops scanning a sex board like this one are surprised to hear this is going on at club X.
3. Cops go to court, and get a court order to access computer records.
4. Since the board is (presumably) in the US, Germany asks the US to assist.
5. US authorities, based on the German request, get a US court order for access to board records such as IP addresses.
6. Using the IP address US authorities track the post down to some guy in the US. (Or worse, some 3rd country.).
7. Next, they extradite this guy to Germany so he can be prosecuted for what is the equivalent of a misdemeanor.
8. The Germans cut a deal so this guy will testify against club X.
9. The Germans then prosecute club X because now they have a guy claiming to have gotten a BBBJ there once.
Yeah, that will happen.
So your theory is:
1. Some guy reports getting a BBBJ at club X.
2. German cops scanning a sex board like this one are surprised to hear this is going on at club X.
3. Cops go to court, and get a court order to access computer records.
4. Since the board is (presumably) in the US, Germany asks the US to assist.
5. US authorities, based on the German request, get a US court order for access to board records such as IP addresses.
6. Using the IP address US authorities track the post down to some guy in the US. (Or worse, some 3rd country.).
7. Next, they extradite this guy to Germany so he can be prosecuted for what is the equivalent of a misdemeanor.
8. The Germans cut a deal so this guy will testify against club X.
9. The Germans then prosecute club X because now they have a guy claiming to have gotten a BBBJ there once.
Yeah, that will happen.It may please you to mock my passing comment and call it a theory. You make up a ludicrous scenario which I never suggested and then mock your scenario pretending it was mine.Steps 7 onwards are vanishingly unlikely, even plain daft for a whole host of reasons. I never suggested the US authorities would be involved: members of this board do include non US citizens.
I said writing on this forum would provide evidence: if you had asked me what kind of evidence I meant in my post of 09.03 I would have clarified: the authorities could read a string of reports and then decide, along with other evidence (which could include, even if extremely unlikely, the identity of the writers) to scrutinise the club more closely, and then gather whatever evidence would be required to prosecute the club. Prosecutions of clubs under this law could well be packaged up with sex trafficking issues which are cited as a major justification for the new laws
I simply wanted to suggest that it is not the wisest course of action, for all sorts of reasons, to declare on a public forum that one is breaking the law or that a law is being flouted wholesale in a particular place, particularly when really serious issues such as sex trafficking could be dragged in by the authorities Technologically at least it is very easy to track down the author of the report.
My original passing comment was not a legally or philosophically soundly argued theory but was just a passing comment to explain something. I am very happy to accept that it was unclear, or poorly worded, and that you had a motivation and rationale to respond as you have, but this is not a debating class of Tibetan Buddhist standard, it is just a forum of opinionated individuals who are allowed to be wrong, tired, unclear and so on
Really, why the f.. should one bother to try to do field reports, of which there are few enough on this forum, when a passing comment is subjected to such effort to disprove it.I tried to de-escalate the discussion by saying I agreed to your main point but to no avail, and I also softened my point simply to say it would be "unwise" to write that one is breaking the law but again to no avail.This seems to have provoked your determination to prove me wrong in my view.
However much you argue, I will retain that opinion. If you want to have the last word then fine, but I will not continue the argument of these points.
Member #4585
05-01-17, 01:38
When one girl's phone was obtained by police with regard to a crime it was reported in the news that the police used each number in that phone to track down her clients to determine their involvement. It is the sort of meticulous and methodical approach to solving a crime that one sees on CSI crime drama on TV.
One man I know was client of her friend so his number was in her phone. It was possible her phone was also confiscated by police and for days he wrote me that the police will call his work or his family to ask about his connection. It was a nightmare.
In the end the culprit was one middle aged to older man who was a client of the girl.
Maybe it's a warning to dump telephone numbers and Facebook friends of working girls one knows.
So your theory is:
1. Some guy reports getting a BBBJ at club X.
2. German cops scanning a sex board like this one are surprised to hear this is going on at club X.
3. Cops go to court, and get a court order to access computer records.
4. Since the board is (presumably) in the US, Germany asks the US to assist.
5. US authorities, based on the German request, get a US court order for access to board records such as IP addresses..
Member #4460
05-01-17, 05:55
Really, why the f.. should one bother to try to do field reports, of which there are few enough on this forum, when a passing comment is subjected to such effort to disprove it.I was in Germany for over two weeks near the end of March to beginning of April and was going to do an epic field report but after the snide comments came in, I just said, "The Hell with it!" and decided to delete what I wrote. I just felt it wasn't worth it to waste my time and have someone criticize me for what I did on my trip.
But yes, with this new law, I'm not even going to bother to write new field reports. I could be wrong but I don't think they could retro-charge people for BBBJs before the law takes into effect but they could try to go after people posting after July 1. If we are to continue to write reports (for those who still want to), we have to write it in a way that forum members would understand. For example, "Kathy is still all open for business who Ruby decided to put a lousy Merkel on me!
Wandering. You are not alone. Recently a prolific poster of field reports told me he is doing no more reports, citing the same reason.
ExpatLover
05-01-17, 07:08
I was in Germany for over two weeks near the end of March to beginning of April and was going to do an epic field report but after the snide comments came in, I just said, "The Hell with it!" and decided to delete what I wrote. I just felt it wasn't worth it to waste my time and have someone criticize me for what I did on my trip.
But yes, with this new law, I'm not even going to bother to write new field reports. I could be wrong but I don't think they could retro-charge people for BBBJs before the law takes into effect but they could try to go after people posting after July 1. If we are to continue to write reports (for those who still want to), we have to write it in a way that forum members would understand. For example, "Kathy is still all open for business who Ruby decided to put a lousy Merkel on me!Of course there will be no retro-charge and also the girls will have until end of December to register.
Hessen Bub
05-01-17, 09:57
I could be wrong but I don't think they could retro-charge people for BBBJs before the law takes into effect Correct, they can't. Law is effective from July 2017, not now. Just report about a blowjob. Done. No need to mention the condom anymore as it is mandatory according to the law.
HB.
...The reason to go was primarily Kathi. For 70 euros an hour you get DFK at is best and, if you have a "romantic" approach, she responds with real passion. Highly recommended....70 for one hour. Does it mean 35 for 30 minutes?
Any guidance on the prices for extras like CIM and anal?
What about the quality and quantity of the LU?
Thanks.
70 for one hour. Does it mean 35 for 30 minutes?
Any guidance on the prices for extras like CIM and anal?
What about the quality and quantity of the LU?
Thanks.30 for 25 mn in AO clubs.
Neurosynth
05-02-17, 05:04
Just to clarify, here is what I believe are the salient points:
1) The future of condom-less commercial sex in Germany will be determined by the Germans. The tendency of Germans to follow the law even though they disagree with it may well doom us all to condoms. But never underestimate the power of sex and market forces to distort social norms. In any case non-citizens will have little influence on what actually happens.
2) Tracking down local phone numbers is one thing, and doing an international search based on IP addresses is another. I doubt anyone posting about condom-less sex on this board will ever hear from any authorities about it because of their posts. It's just way too much effort, and too much expense, for the arrest it might yield.
3) Other than personal risk, the other argument against posting about condom-less sex is that it may alert the police as to where they should target. To this I'd note that German police have much better sources than an American sex board. They live in the communities they police. They have informants. They can talk with the neighbors. Some are probably on (what passes for) good terms with some of the operators. If they want to find condom-less sex to crack down on, posting or not posting about it here won't make any difference.
Hessen Bub
05-02-17, 08:49
When one girl's phone was obtained by police with regard to a crime it was reported in the news that the police used each number in that phone to track down her clients to determine their involvement. It is the sort of meticulous and methodical approach to solving a crime that one sees on CSI crime drama on TV.
One man I know was client of her friend so his number was in her phone. It was possible her phone was also confiscated by police and for days he write me that the police will call his work or his family to ask about his connection. It was a nightmare.Where is the connection to the new law? This happened BEFORE and may always happen if your phone number shows up in a girl's phone.
Authorities will have better things to do than to track down or check on "illegal BB actions" in the German P6 scene.
HB.
70 for one hour. Does it mean 35 for 30 minutes?
Any guidance on the prices for extras like CIM and anal?
What about the quality and quantity of the LU?
Thanks.Go to the website. 40 euros for 30 minutes sex using a condom. Lineup tiny, maybe six girls, two of whom are very attractive (Kathi and Vanessa). Don't believe the ages. Service very good Anal is not available. CIM is I believe free (you'd need to check).
Authorities will have better things to do than to track down or check on "illegal BB actions" in the German P6 scene.
HB.I think this is the widely expected scenario: not a top Police priority in Germany (I just add that in my home country it would beyond doubt be a priority if there were such a domestic law as it is an easy way to secure a conviction and meet Police "crime clear up" rates.)
As you have said (if I remember rightly) in other threads, the consensus in other forums is that reporting on law breaking is unwise for several reasons.
Neurosynth
05-02-17, 16:35
As you have said (if I remember rightly) in other threads, the consensus in other forums is that reporting on law breaking is unwise for several reasons.I've yet to hear those reasons, if by reasons you don't mean unfounded fears.
I've yet to hear those reasons, if by reasons you don't mean unfounded fears. I appreciate that you understand that I was reporting what other people were concluding. You simply don't agree, which is fair enough and you therefore say these other peoples' opinions are unfounded fears: your opinion. I can see the sense of your arguments against panicking. Is the fact that forums are stopping AO threads all based on unfounded fears?. Freiercafe stopped over a year ago, tabulose-huren and AO-huren member discussions assume that they will be stopping such reporting. I read of nobody who thinks that stopping reporting on illegal activities is the product of unfounded fears.
Presumably on and after July 1st you will be reporting here and on other forums of all those occasions when you break the German law?
Member #4585
05-02-17, 18:07
Where is the connection to the new law? This happened BEFORE and may always happen if your phone number shows up in a girl's phone.
Authorities will have better things to do than to track down or check on "illegal BB actions" in the German P6 scene.
HB.Then we can continue to freely report BBBJ and AO activities. So no more telling people to censor their writings please.
Hessen Bub
05-03-17, 11:02
It's not about censoring. It's about protecting the girls as I explained before.
HB.
100 % agreed. The clubs can't allow anymore girls which still offer BBBJ when they know this, so ofc no reporting about BBBJ from Juli.
Neurosynth
05-04-17, 01:40
... Is the fact that forums are stopping AO threads all based on unfounded fears?. Freiercafe stopped over a year ago, tabulose-huren and AO-huren member discussions assume that they will be stopping such reporting. I read of nobody who thinks that stopping reporting on illegal activities is the product of unfounded fears.
Presumably on and after July 1st you will be reporting here and on other forums of all those occasions when you break the German law?The difference between Germans reporting on German prostitution on German boards, and (mostly) Americans reporting on German prostitution on American boards should be obvious. Perhaps the German boards are being prudent, perhaps they are overreacting, but ISG and ISG posters are not under the same pressures.
As for my posting about when I "break the German law". You understand that a large number, perhaps most, of the posts on ISG are about illegal prostitution right?
Member #4581
05-04-17, 02:02
As for my posting about when I "break the German law". You understand that a large number, perhaps most, of the posts on ISG are about illegal prostitution right?What's illegal about FKKs and what we do there?
I can't speak about all ISG since I limit myself to German FKKs.
Neurosynth
05-04-17, 02:30
What's illegal about FKKs and what we do there?
I can't speak about all ISG since I limit myself to German FKKs.My point was ISG is full of reports about illegal prostitution. And there are reports about legal prostitution as well. If people start posting about illegal prostitution acts in Germany, it will be no different than posts in dozens of other forums on ISG.
Hessen Bub
05-04-17, 09:29
The difference between Germans reporting on German prostitution on German boards, and (mostly) Americans reporting on German prostitution on American boards should be obvious. Perhaps the German boards are being prudent, perhaps they are overreacting, but ISG and ISG posters are not under the same pressures.
As for my posting about when I "break the German law". You understand that a large number, perhaps most, of the posts on ISG are about illegal prostitution right?I think you didn't get the point. If you mention girls who did provide BBBJ after July 1st by name, these girls could be in trouble, it will have the opposite effect: less girls providing BBBJ. It's not about the law.
HB.
I think you didn't get the point. If you mention girls who did provide BBBJ after July 1st by name, these girls could be in trouble, it will have the opposite effect: less girls providing BBBJ. It's not about the law.
HB.This is a valid point. We're going to have to rethink how we report on our escapades. Less of an issue for you HB since you rarely, ever provide a lot of details, much to the chagrin of some here hehehe!
Neurosynth
05-05-17, 01:04
I think you didn't get the point. If you mention girls who did provide BBBJ after July 1st by name, these girls could be in trouble, it will have the opposite effect: less girls providing BBBJ. It's not about the law.
HB.Actually I think Jnpr30 was trying to make a different point. Yours is stronger, but I think real world experience points in the opposite direction.
For example, on various strip club boards there is typically a faction that goes crazy if posters describe "extras. " These factions operate under your theory. But girls in fact getting in trouble with management, let alone the police, is rare to nonexistent. In fact most of these club owners *want* their girls to give "extras" because that's what brings in business and establishes regulars. Many adopt a "don't ask, don't tell" type policy. I suspect the same thing will happen in Germany in July.
And as for the cops, they already know what's what at various clubs. And if they are really clueless about where bb-activity occurs and yet want to bust it, they will just send in plain clothes cops to run a sting. This is what they would have to do anyway whether or not the clubs are posted about.
So while it seems plausible in the abstract that such posts could reduce the availability of bb-whatever, it's also possible that it could do the opposite. Free and open discussion of bb-services could create a "herd effect" where there are so many known violations that enforcement seems futile. It will also help re-normalize such activity creating market forces where demand is unapologetic and supply has to step up to be competitive.
In the end I think folks should report what they think is appropriate, and not take others to task for what they think is appropriate. The numbers will swing one way or the other in response to the effect. There's no need to lecture each other.
HeadFirst80
07-19-17, 12:27
I was near Stuttgart this week and decided to try something off the charts. Went down south ear Villingen to FKK 66. Have to say not one of my best decisions. All the girls were Romanian, while the club itself was ok and some fun to be had the girls were typical ripoffs and not willing to work. They just want to go in the room with you and want you to do the work and cum ASAP.
Neuro: the problem is that you only assume and suspect things. While we've actually seen contradictory evidence to what you are saying in German FKK's where girls have been asked to leave. And this forum section is all about German FKK's. Not some random other scene.
Neurosynth
07-21-17, 19:25
Neuro: the problem is that you only assume and suspect things. While we've actually seen contradictory evidence to what you are saying in German FKK's where girls have been asked to leave. And this forum section is all about German FKK's. Not some random other scene.The only specific case I recall being told here from first hand experience was a case where a guy was at the reception desk talking about it so loudly that everyone could hear. He robbed the operator of plausible deniability, and broke the don't ask don't tell the operator and sex worker will want to maintain.
Where is the confirmed case of a bulletin board post resulting in BB services going away?
Neurosynth, I am beginning to understand that you hate opinions dressed up as facts, and presented as indubitable truths. I hope I manage to respond without doing either of those things :)
As I have many times written, I have been witness several times to girls being thrown out of clubs for breaking the club rules. Even without any proof, ,just allegations or suspicions.
You ask for a confirmed case of a bulletin board causing BBBJ to go away. Well, that is impossible, given that the law is so new. And as said before, life is more complex than any outcome having one single cause. And you have said before a forum like this will on its own only have marginal impacts, (although when one takes all forums together I'm sure the impact will be multiplied). I think that for the reason mentioned in my second paragraph it is wiser not to report publicly on girls breaking club rules.
Similarly I think it unwise to report on certain clubs as being AO clubs. Making high profiles of them will only incur the wrath of the fanatical SPD Minister who is behind this draconian discriminatory law. Better to keep a low profile (not always a good political tactic but in this case it is) and support donacarmen and others campaign against the law.
Neurosynth
07-23-17, 00:12
Yes, I understand that these are your opinions.
I've been haunting various prostitution boards since before they were boards. (They were email lists.) In all that time I'm not sure I've *ever* heard of a place being busted due to legal authorities checking boards.** The cops don't need our help. They can bust any place if they want to. And in the case of Germany it's not at all clear that anyone other than publicity seeking politicians wants places shut down. And you know *they* aren't going to do any of the legwork.
And in fact the politicians have *already gotten* what they wanted. Not the law. The publicity from making the law. They're done pursuing the issue at this point.
Again, if boards were such a threat to prostitution you would expect prostitution or boards or both to be dead in the US. But it simply hasn't happened. In fact the internet, if anything, has made prostitution easier, safer, and better for all involved.
Honest and detailed reviews about prostitution services are now, worldwide, part of a healthy environment for prostitution. Driving the BB aspect back underground will only do what prohibition always does. Make things more expensive, lower quality, and most of all less safe for all involved.
** The one exception, depending on your interpretation, might be the legal takedown of The Big Dog board. But it wasn't providers who were targeted, nor any operators. It was the guys running the board itself that were targeted, and only because they committed crimes beyond running a board.
Member #4585
07-23-17, 04:03
What's illegal about FKKs and what we do there?
I can't speak about all ISG since I limit myself to German FKKs.Jnpr30, Not much is illegal except for condomless sex.
Neurosynth. I'm continuing my bad habit of agreeing with you :D
Some points. Your second paragraph. I agree that a forum has probably never led to a club being raided. I would think however that if the authorities or Police are wanting to take down a club, they might read forums just to look for any shred of leads to follow. In the UK for example it seems pretty clear that the Police have used information from forums (along more importantly with advertising) to decide which places to raid and prosecute.
Fourth paragraph. The situation in Germany is not analogous to that in the US. As prostitution is illegal in most of the US, forums are faced with the choice of reporting or giving up reporting altogether, as you say (presumably without naming too much place and time in detail?) In principle you are right that reporting on forums has made prostitution safer and easier.
However in Germany it is legal so the operators will be really keen on being seen to be on the right side of the law. This is why I don't want to report in detail on activities which might have even a marginal negative impact on the clubs and services. I want to try to maintain the principle of reporting, but taking account of the peculiar circumstances in Germany. Hence my preference for doing as UH elegantly put as his third option: reporting but in a circumspect manner.
I agree that the new law in Germany will help push prostitution a little bit more into the shadows and the hands of "managers" who can work the system.I am not sure the new law gives the fanatical elements amongst the politicians what they want: in five years time I'm sure they will have another attempt at restriction if prostitution remains as widespread as now (or more relevantly, with a high public progile)
Cheers.
Neurosynth
07-30-17, 03:23
... I've been haunting various prostitution boards since before they were boards. (They were email lists.) In all that time I'm not sure I've *ever* heard of a place being busted due to legal authorities checking boards.Just to show I can be objective about these kinds of things, here is (as they claim) a first.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/inside-fight-online-prostitution-review-boards/story?id=48308991
The degree to which this has any implication at all for the situation in Germany is open to interpretation.
Neurosynth. Thank you: it was interesting and depressing. BTW, in 2013 there was an online information led shut down of Sex 141 in Hong Kong, but that was closer to an prostitution promotion and provider site.
As you say, not sure how relevant for Germany where the industry is legal, apart from certain activities.
I hate to say that this is 100% what I have been preaching about in here for months.
- Micro lending = debt bondage.
- Pimping, and if caught in it, there is no escape.
- Result for girls due to reviews.
But the whole are ape in order to get better reviews part is one thing that should be safer for the girls when in an FKK with a bouncer. At least I hope it is. If not, then the clubs should have a talk with the girls about it.
But you also got to take one step back and question this entire police stand on it too. Basically the demand will allways be there. Claiming anything else is possible to 'teach' men around the world is hysterically silly. You just push it further below ground and make the 'are ape risk' even greater for the girls. I think Germany has a good model with these FKK's at least. Not sure about the RLD's or other parts of the German scene.
But there are ways for cops around the world to take out trafficking if they want to, and if they get the needed help from authorities. Trashing fiat and moving over to blockchains would be the bulletproof way if done correctly. Perhaps the society needs to become more liberal at the same time. It would be like legallizing marihuana to take out the Mexican drug cartels. And that is working greatly at the moment! If pimping exist within parts of the industry in certain countries at least. However the will might not be there. And it is easier for them to just fine a customer. Less paperwork. But it can hit the girls in the back if the police has a wrong take on this. Too bad it is so politiciced also. The world has never had more singles than today. And where are all the single guys going to have sex?
In a free world where such a thing as this is a service job, reviews are natural. And as long as everything is legal there shouldn't be any breaking of the law.
However, some extra rules could be applied on this board too. Like for instance if a girl changes name or club, posters could give her a blank slate. Not mentioning it is the same girl. Perhaps that would help.
Sadly this thread is going the way of many other ones like FKK Dietzenbach, Frankfurt and so on, and turning into yet another thread which one or two people are deliberately using as their vehicle to air their particular views about the new German Prostitution Protection law and AO in general.
There are dedicated threads about the new law and AO so I am at a loss as to why threads such as this one, about other FKKs which are not the large and well known, are being nullified in this fashion.
We criticise new members and tell them to RTFF, when they ask silly questions about things that have already been discussed many times, but then they do read the forum but are unable to find what they are looking for because it is hidden under dross concerning other unrelated matters.
Maybe we shouldn't take the bait and resist the temptation to reply to the one or two who are misusing threads in this manner.
VWolfsburg
09-06-17, 03:17
Cut to the chase, this is a lovely club in terms of facilities, staff and service but it is severely let down by the girls. I have been to about 8 FKK clubs across Germany and this is by far the worst. For a start they are all dressed up in bikinis or skimpy clothing, but no nudity. Secondly and importantly they have decided that anything other than a covered suck and fuck is an extra, even caressing or kissing the body is not allowed unless you pay double (100 for 30 minutes). Finally they're pretty rude in a "take it or leave it" type of way, which I hate to say does seem to be common with some Romanian girls when they sit in large groups and share info on each punter. All in all its not a great place, the management have allowed the girls to dictate how the club is run as opposed to making them conform to club rules.
Cut to the chase, this is a lovely club in terms of facilities, staff and service but it is severely let down by the girls. I have been to about 8 FKK clubs across Germany and this is by far the worst. For a start they are all dressed up in bikinis or skimpy clothing, but no nudity. Secondly and importantly they have decided that anything other than a covered suck and fuck is an extra, even caressing or kissing the body is not allowed unless you pay double (100 for 30 minutes). Finally they're pretty rude in a "take it or leave it" type of way, which I hate to say does seem to be common with some Romanian girls when they sit in large groups and share info on each punter. All in all its not a great place, the management have allowed the girls to dictate how the club is run as opposed to making them conform to club rules.I must agree. The club is a mini version of world. Very good relax area, including a room resembling a spa room for sleeping. In the morning, there were 5 girls and at night max 15 (Saturday). Most girls are older and not really attractive. Hence, no sessions the entire day. I will not be back to the Leipzig FKK.
Polyamorist
09-10-17, 20:01
Finally they're pretty rude in a "take it or leave it" type of way, which I hate to say does seem to be common with some Romanian girls when they sit in large groups and share info on each punter. Clumping, it's a red flag.
When women get together and talk about guys, do they ever share good things? Did that ever happen in recorded history, in any context whatsoever? Or is it 100% bad things? And what conclusion should we draw?
TankTank123
09-11-17, 06:46
For a start they are all dressed up in bikinis or skimpy clothing, but no nudity. ....
Finally they're pretty rude in a "take it or leave it" type of way, which I hate to say does seem to be common with some Romanian girls when they sit in large groups and share info on each punter.When I last visited the club 3 times in June, the girls were all totally naked; and like in World, without any accessories. I suspect that you went on a Tuesday which is Dessous Tag. One of my favorites there once told me that she and many of the other girls take Tuesdays off as many customers avoid Dessous Tag.
I find the girls mainly friendly and polite, nor were they clustered in groups. In fact, I get more free chat time there than in the Frankfurt clubs as the pace is slower with few customers.
There were about 10 girls in the afternoon rising to 20 at night on all 3 days I was there (weekdays). Young attractive girls arrive at around 6 pm. Before that, there are only the longtime girls, most of whom are quite jaded. Unfortunately, the attractive ones see Leipzig only as a stepping stone, and they are gone by my next tour and are replaced by new set of newbies. One problem with the attractive ones is that many cannot speak English at all, as this tends to be their first stop after leaving Romania, and they have not picked up any English yet.
ExpatLover
09-11-17, 19:15
When I last visited the club 3 times in June, the girls were all totally naked; and like in World, without any accessories. I suspect that you went on a Tuesday which is Dessous Tag. One of my favorites there once told me that she and many of the other girls take Tuesdays off as many customers avoid Dessous Tag.
I find the girls mainly friendly and polite, nor were they clustered in groups. In fact, I get more free chat time there than in the Frankfurt clubs as the pace is slower with few customers.
There were about 10 girls in the afternoon rising to 20 at night on all 3 days I was there (weekdays). Young attractive girls arrive at around 6 pm. Before that, there are only the longtime girls, most of whom are quite jaded. Unfortunately, the attractive ones see Leipzig only as a stepping stone, and they are gone by my next tour and are replaced by new set of newbies. One problem with the attractive ones is that many cannot speak English at all, as this tends to be their first stop after leaving Romania, and they have not picked up any English yet.This club belongs to the same owner as World, Finca, Manhattan and the girls can easily move between the clubs, visited 2 times but will not repeat, no erotic there and in the same building you have also a brothel I believe the same girls move from FKK to there. 0 sexy sweet girl there, food is not good, management so so, too expensive compare to the big clubs.
PussyLiccker
09-12-17, 13:10
Anybody been to Villa Marisol? I met several girls recently out of this club and peaked some interest. Are there 2 clubs with the same name? Not a popular destination for ISG being further away?
Anybody been to Villa Marisol? I met several girls recently out of this club and peaked some interest. Are there 2 clubs with the same name? Not a popular destination for ISG being further away?Marisol is closed, that's why you see the girls elsewhere.
Anybody been to Villa Marisol? I met several girls recently out of this club and peaked some interest. Are there 2 clubs with the same name? Not a popular destination for ISG being further away?Didn't I just read here in some thread that this club just closed up for good with no intention of reopening? If so, and if I haven't mixed it up with another 'villa' club, it may just answer why the girls from there just spread out into other clubs now. So got any girls from there in particular you would recommend?
Did some googling. It should have closed a few weeks ago. But then a new website for it popped up about a week later. So perhaps it has new owners now trying to start from scratch again? Perhaps also with new pricing? But no new report after the new website came up. So I wouldn't chance on going to what could be an empty club.
Is the Villa Marisol open or still closed?
Anybody been to Villa Marisol? I met several girls recently out of this club and peaked some interest. Are there 2 clubs with the same name? Not a popular destination for ISG being further away?I think it closed, so girls moved, like when Royal closed with girls moving to Sharks for Maria, or to Rom.
ExpatLover
09-12-17, 20:07
Did some googling. It should have closed a few weeks ago. But then a new website for it popped up about a week later. So perhaps it has new owners now trying to start from scratch again? Perhaps also with new pricing? But no new report after the new website came up. So I wouldn't chance on going to what could be an empty club.Just forget this place, go to the big clubs a lot of $ discount entry fee possible no need to try those kind of places.
PussyLiccker
12-03-17, 02:22
Since I was in the area, I decided to check it out for curiosity sake. Same, the lounge area is small and setup is awkward, feels very boring sitting on the couch. LU was very few in number during the day I visited(and don't expect even medium sized LU since the place is too small to support many guys and gals), few local clients probably show for a quicky or old men sitting around since they got nothing better to do. I don't really see the draw after a couple visits. LU with a few girls in a small club that a long stay is boring and not worth it, and the LU is quite mediocre. There was one doable, but services probably not up to most small clubs like this. Sessions are cheap (I think it was 25 Euros a pop last time I heard), but at a small club with such a mediocre LU, the crowds would expect to get some good services at least. Why go all the way down here if I go down to Mondial and pay 30 Euros a pop per session with way more girls (and bigger and better facilities, foods, atmosphere, many good looking girls), and it is quite a distance out of the way. Place is dumpy.
ExpatLover
12-03-17, 05:19
Since I was in the area, I decided to check it out for curiosity sake. Same, the lounge area is small and setup is awkward, feels very boring sitting on the couch. LU was very few in number during the day I visited(and don't expect even medium sized LU since the place is too small to support many guys and gals), few local clients probably show for a quicky or old men sitting around since they got nothing better to do. I don't really see the draw after a couple visits. LU with a few girls in a small club that a long stay is boring and not worth it, and the LU is quite mediocre. There was one doable, but services probably not up to most small clubs like this. Sessions are cheap (I think it was 25 Euros a pop last time I heard), but at a small club with such a mediocre LU, the crowds would expect to get some good services at least. Why go all the way down here if I go down to Mondial and pay 30 Euros a pop per session with way more girls (and bigger and better facilities, foods, atmosphere, many good looking girls), and it is quite a distance out of the way. Place is dumpy.Some mongers are always trying to find clubs like this, I never could understand the reasons, if it is a problem of costs I think it is may be better to visit a laufhaus.
FunExplorer
12-04-17, 11:54
It was in the second week of October I visited this place. This small club is situated 5 kms from Hanau railway station. I took a taxi from the railway station and went there. The entry was Euro 25. Ordinary set up with basic bath rooms and toilets. Was given a towel and entered a small hall. There were nine girls and a small bar. Of course, drinks are extra. I started with a beer and had a couple of more before chosing a Romanian. She said she is 28 and mother of 3 year old girl. We went to the room and she was very good. In fact, better than I expected. Unlike other FKKs, girls here are not naked.
So, had a nice session and she asked me if I wanted to extend and I agreed. She gave a nice BBJ and had another good session with her. Cost Euro 100.
Second was also from Romania and she too was good. Had a satisfying session. This was of course an hour and half hours after the first session. Cost Euro 50.
Third one was from Bulgaria. She was enthusiastic but was not so good in the room. Cost Euro 50.
Over all good, considering I was able to pick up three girls from out of nine. Surprisingly there were only four men including me! Girls were complaining lack of business and no wonder they are sore.
ExpatLover
12-04-17, 19:55
It was in the second week of October I visited this place. This small club is situated 5 kms from Hanau railway station. I took a taxi from the railway station and went there. The entry was Euro 25. Ordinary set up with basic bath rooms and toilets. Was given a towel and entered a small hall. There were nine girls and a small bar. Of course, drinks are extra. I started with a beer and had a couple of more before chosing a Romanian. She said she is 28 and mother of 3 year old girl. We went to the room and she was very good. In fact, better than I expected. Unlike other FKKs, girls here are not naked.
So, had a nice session and she asked me if I wanted to extend and I agreed. She gave a nice BBJ and had another good session with her. Cost Euro 100.
Second was also from Romania and she too was good. Had a satisfying session. This was of course an hour and half hours after the first session. Cost Euro 50.
Third one was from Bulgaria. She was enthusiastic but was not so good in the room. Cost Euro 50.
Over all good, considering I was able to pick up three girls from out of nine. Surprisingly there were only four men including me! Girls were complaining lack of business and no wonder they are sore.You are speaking about 9 girls, sorry but for me there is no interest to visit this kind of place in the big clubs there are 50 or 100 more girls.
Kosher Kowboy
12-19-17, 17:36
I do not like to drive (only 10 K kilometers this entire year I drove) and desire to find some clubs in / near FRA and both of these clubs seem to be easily reachable on the S9 and a cheap taxi ride or 2-5 km walk from the Hanau station. I see some reviews (seems session costs the same as other clubs though unless I read wrong) but are these clubs some of the ' fuck and go' (Pick, pound, pay and part ways) ones others say I might enjoy where you cum and go in one or two hours or are they bearable to spend a day at.
Is either one preferable to the other and are oral discussions more reflective of conversations held with the ladies in Darmstadt and even in Dietzenbach or those terrible conversations that Palace and Mainhatten are well known for.
PM's are fine as well.
BigBuddy69
12-19-17, 17:41
I don't know about Atlanta but Bahama has a reputation of good service. I"ve been there only once but the girl I was with treated me nice, there was no blackmailing for a one hour session and for 50 € I had everything I want. Less girls than in Sharks (it's really small), they won't be as good looking but from a service point of view you'll probably get a better time.
Kosher Kowboy
12-19-17, 18:14
I don't know about Atlanta but Bahama has a reputation of good service. I"ve been there only once but the girl I was with treated me nice, there was no blackmailing for a one hour session and for 50 I had everything I want. Less girls than in Sharks (it's really small), they won't be as good looking but from a service point of view you'll probably get a better time.Thanks BB,
Sounds like it is worth one visit (Bahama); not much to lose. I don't mind a reduction in looks as you can tell for my aficionado to my lovelies in Dietzenbach. I am happy with my 50 E basic BJ / Fuck at Sharks from even their middle level looking WG's what I am not happy with is the blowjob quality at Mainhatten. That is what I want to avoid if it is such at Bahama / Atlanta. I certainly do not expect to be pampered like in the warmth and wetness of Dietz's finest here but if the BJ's are not good than would much rather head to some other options.
It does sound like you had a stress free good time there and were pleased with the lady you chose.
:D
Dani. Ro usually working on Friday and Saturday evening at Atlanta Hanau, is pretty gypsy type, and high sexual level. I remember also very friendly and smiling Mia, even I was not attracted by her face, but sexy body.
My Romanian fav at Atlanta, ex superstar at World, is, I was said by her Romanian friend now at Sharks, now at Artemis.
Atlanta is small brother of FKK First close to Hockenheim ring. No free foods at Atlanta, but I ordered pizzas.
Free foods at Bahama Maintal.
Atlanta and Bahama are for locals on day, and Turkish at night.
Captain America
12-31-17, 14:47
Went there more becaue it was on my way up the A3, easy to find. While checking in heard the bar lady say to a phone caller she only had 5 girls and should've pulled back my 30 euros at that point, but I was horny. So what the heck.
Facilities looked okay, girls were 5 as promised and 4 were waiting around even though there were also about 10 customers. Only 1 of them looked so-able so approached her, asked about CIM which she declined.
Sat back down and waited for #5 to appear. Also do-able, but she had a waiting list 3 guys deep. So asked bar lady which girl did CIM and went straight for a blow job from short, chubby Anita. Good skills in that department, so no complaints.
When I showers and came back the list for #5 had not gotten shorter, so I cut my losses and left. The whole 90 minutes I was there none of the other girls did a session other than #5 and my blow job. Weird.
ExpatLover
12-31-17, 15:47
Went there more becaue it was on my way up the A3, easy to find. While checking in heard the bar lady say to a phone caller she only had 5 girls and should've pulled back my 30 euros at that point, but I was horny. So what the heck.
Facilities looked okay, girls were 5 as promised and 4 were waiting around even though there were also about 10 customers. Only 1 of them looked so-able so approached her, asked about CIM which she declined.
Sat back down and waited for #5 to appear. Also do-able, but she had a waiting list 3 guys deep. So asked bar lady which girl did CIM and went straight for a blow job from short, chubby Anita. Good skills in that department, so no complaints.
When I showers and came back the list for #5 had not gotten shorter, so I cut my losses and left. The whole 90 minutes I was there none of the other girls did a session other than #5 and my blow job. Weird.Thanks for the report but you were aware about what you will find, for me no reason to visit a place where you have 5 girls when I can visit places where the girls are numerous sometimes more than 100 hundred, I am too old to waste my time and energy in this kind of places.
I always use public transport living downtown Frankfurt when going to Bahama.
You don't want to spend lots of money for taxi, then I recommend to take the tram / underground U4 (final destination Enkheim. I think every second train runs only to Seckbacher Landstrasse) or U7 (final destinantion Enkheim).
Arriving in Enkheim you wait for bus line X57 (in direction Hanau). That bus takes 15 minutes (or a little bit more depending on traffic) and you leave at the stop HONEYWELLSTRASSE. On the other side of the street there is the bus stop for return to Enkheim.
Leaving the bus (don't forget to press the red button otherwise the bus driver won't stop) in travel direction of the bus walking alongside this street (Kennedystrasse) about 300 metres. When turn to the right (Marie-Curie-Ring, building of Korean Hongfa company). On the left side, after 60 metres, you've reached Bahama Club.
The schedule of bus line X57 is very covenient from Mon-Friday. For further assistance have a look on http://www.bahn.de.
There may also appear the bus MKK 23 - it's also ok as Enkheim is final destination, but it takes 15 minutes more servicing the residential areas.
When checking the schedule please pay attention to go via Enkheim when returning (not Hanau Freiheitsplatz). Underground at Enkheim (two lines in direction downtown Frankfurt) is available also in the late hours. The connections regarding a change on RB train at Maintal Ost sometimes are very tricky especially when the bus has some minutes delay.
I was in Bahama on Wedenesday and Friday last week. I was surprised as the line-up was quite good taking into account that this is the period for holidays.
Isabel, Monalisa, Joana, Rebecca and Silwia (the last one back since three weeks after being three yeras off) available, if there was no longtime booking. Some customers come and make up to three hours and even book their session in advance contacting the lady via SMS.
Cora, Denisa, Marie (BG), Maria, Ewa for friends of small women size 32/34. Andrea a little bit more chubby but with great service as I was told several times.
Karina (German) with some tattoos. Oana is expected to come back this week.
On average 15+ girls in the evening up from 6 pm.
At 5 pm a hot buffet is served. For the entrance fee (25/35 EUR depending if happy hour or normal price) really good. In the afternoon breakfast with scrambled eggs.
Most important: the service is on a very high level as already mentioned by other users of the board. A tiny but nice place.
I was in Bahama on Wedenesday and Friday last week. I was surprised as the line-up was quite good taking into account that this is the period for holidays.
Isabel, Monalisa, Joana, Rebecca and Silwia (the last one back since three weeks after being three yeras off) available, if there was no longtime booking. Some customers come and make up to three hours and even book their session in advance contacting the lady via SMS.
Cora, Denisa, Marie (BG), Maria, Ewa for friends of small women size 32/34. Andrea a little bit more chubby but with great service as I was told several times..Is real natural blond beauty, Alina. Ro still at Bahama? Her natural beauty made me dream on a August 2015 night. She liked to dance, she was with her sister, when Turkish arrived at night, I went to room with her and after she didn't want to work more.
A small club, with Turkish coming at night, like nearly everywhere now, except GT.
Tedesco and BB69 Thanks for your reports.
Can I ask: are there normally more than one girl size 32/34?. Not that I restrict myself on basis of size.
I know I can go and look, but I am always short on time, so want an idea before I go. The picture of the girls on the website is so -so.
I understand that girls are not naked.
Do the girls approach?
BigBuddy69
01-10-18, 13:05
Girls were rather slim in my memory but it was more than one year ago. I was approached. There is an happy hour and some other discounts.
BB69. Thanks. Might be worth a try.
Is real natural blond beauty, Alina. Ro still at Bahama ......... August 2015 night .......... a small club, with Turkish coming at night, like nearly everywhere now, except GT.No Alina any more in Bahama. I remember that one from summer 2015. I was also somewhat flashed due to her nice face and feet wearing "golden colored" high heels. We got one room on a Friday evening then, outside in one of the huts. To be honest, one of the worst experiences I ever had. She was always looking on her mobile phone. After 8 minutes she even stopped activities and asked me to write back SMS. When I got her reply that there is need to rush because in 20 minutes she would have a date. She wasn't in rush for the whole day.
I was pissed as never before. Coming home in the evening I wrote a report on the German board. Since that day I didn't see her any more. I suppose it was not only me to complain.
Concerning male guests I think it's the same as in all clubs. Regular ones is the group of guests from opening to 11 pm. In the late evening and night hours until closing the guys of Southern Europe may conquer the places. I know some Turkish and other nationalities representatives there with whom I feel well. The most important problem in all places is when they come in groups ordering their bottle of alcohol. But as long as I have my fun with the girls, I don't mind.
Happy hour (EUR 25) for the whole day on Monday / Wednesday. All other days from 6-8 pm. Regular entry fee EUR 35. I was once more there this Wednesday. Nice homemade food with chicken and spaghetti bolognese as main dishes, salad, soup, dessert.
15 girls from 20-35 years, size 32-38, cup A-see / the. high performers like Silwia, Rebecca, Monalisa, Isabel. Relaxed atmosphere,.I sessioned with Oana - we know each other since more than 3 years.
..... more than one girl size 32/34?. Denisa, Cora, Karina, Oana, Isabella, Isabel, Silwia, Ewa, Marie (32), Maria (32) ..... (majority size 34)
.... the picture of the girls on the website is ..... Forget about pictures on the website, not updated.
.... I understand that girls are not naked .... Right, it's a pity, to be honest. OK, some of them want to cover the signs of former pregnancy or small sized cups. Yesterday Karina and Andrea without bra. As usual.
.... do the girls approach Rather not, in Bahama you are invited to do the first step, too.
Tedesco. Thanks for the detailed info.
No Alina any more in Bahama. I remember that one from summer 2015. I was also somewhat flashed due to her nice face and feet wearing "golden colored" high heels. We got one room on a Friday evening then, outside in one of the huts. To be honest, one of the worst experiences I ever had. She was always looking on her mobile phone. After 8 minutes she even stopped activities and asked me to write back SMS. When I got her reply that there is need to rush because in 20 minutes she would have a date. She wasn't in rush for the whole day.
I was pissed as never before. Coming home in the evening I wrote a report on the German board. Since that day I didn't see her any more. I suppose it was not only me to complain.
Concerning male guests I think it's the same as in all clubs. Regular ones is the group of guests from opening to 11 pm. In the late evening and night hours until closing the guys of Southern Europe may conquer the places. I know some Turkish and other nationalities representatives there with whom I feel well. The most important problem in all places is when they come in groups ordering their bottle of alcohol. But as long as I have my fun with the girls, I don't mind.For sure, Alina was not a top performer and she really didn't like to go for sex, but what a natural beauty for my eyes. First, she came to dance rubbing on me, and she wanted I danced with her, but I don't dance, so she thought I didn't want her, and went to dance with her sister who looked more sexual. I looked at Alina dancing for a long time, smiling. All other girls understood I was only looking at her. When turkish arrived later, when one went to her, fortunately no room, so I went to take her also to outside hut, on a August night. Not the best for sensuality and sex, I had to make the job with her, but I enjoyed her beauty and sweetness for 1 hour. After, she only danced.
I m happy I could get such a beauty, one of the prettiest got, I would repeat. I m a women beauty lover and try to adapt to get the best from the prettiest.
Hi Guys,
In many places ofcthis forum, I see that some people talking about the German site. I think the site they are talking is the German version of this forum but I don't know what's its address.
Appreciate if anyone tell me how to reach and access this site to look at German reviews.
ExpatLover
01-12-18, 22:54
Hi Guys,
In many places ofcthis forum, I see that some people talking about the German site. I think the site they are talking is the German version of this forum but I don't know what's its address.
Appreciate if anyone tell me how to reach and access this site to look at German reviews.No there are other German forums for ex. Roemer forum, or BW7 or freiercafe, or ladies de.
Vito Corleone
01-13-18, 02:05
Hi Guys,
In many places ofcthis forum, I see that some people talking about the German site. I think the site they are talking is the German version of this forum but I don't know what's its address.
Appreciate if anyone tell me how to reach and access this site to look at German reviews.Www.ausfahrt.de
Rogue Nation
01-13-18, 08:29
Hi Guys,
In many places ofcthis forum, I see that some people talking about the German site. I think the site they are talking is the German version of this forum but I don't know what's its address.
Appreciate if anyone tell me how to reach and access this site to look at German reviews.www.lustscout.to/forum
www.roemerforum.com
www.freiercafe.org
www.lusthaus.cc
Then you also have:
Dutch language:
Www.ijsberenforum.com
French language:
Www.youppie.net
I know there are some austrian and italian forums also, but forgot them.
Google translates everything with chrome, so language is no issue when only reading.
TorrentChief
01-15-18, 12:17
Then you also have:
Dutch language:
Www.ijsberenforum.com
French language:
Www.youppie.net
I know there are some austrian and italian forums also, but forgot them.
Google translates everything with chrome, so language is no issue when only reading.I find that it's ok on most of the other forums to post in English.
Http://rheinforum.com is a good forum for the nrw.
First of all some warning for the more experienced or better said, those with any experience at all (unlike myself) with the FKK club scene. My previous and first was at FKK Dietz two days ago (planning to start with the notable small ones in the Frankfurt environs).
How do I put this? Sorry, but Dietz was just blown out of the water.
Thanks to Tedescos fantastic directions (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1100-Other-FKK-Clubs&p=2126816&viewfull=1#post2126816) I ditched google maps' suggestion of taking the S-Bahn and likely trudging through a forest for 30 mins, and instead took the Ubahn 7 to Enkheim and the x57 from there to the aptly named "Honeywellstrasse". Again just read his directions. Last bus on weekdays back to Enkheim is at 23:01 pm.
Arrived around 3, stayed till past 10.25 entry on Mondays and Wednesdays (25 every day if you arrive between 6 and 8 pm). Friendly reception woman told me the basics (got locker 1 as opposed to locker 13/ smiley face in Dietz), got changed and inside I went, great ambience and decorations. The place looked fresh, started off in the TV room where one of girls greeted me, sat next to me touching after her smooth legs against mine and conducted small talk. (Great Start). Tbh, this is more to my liking than a complete hands off approach.
Girls wear a mix of lingerie, topless or not or are clothed in skimpy outfits. Several wear high heels.
The main room looks like that of a fancy bar or night club, where most of the girls at one point or the other are sitting in (though you can still catch them in the other rooms) with a bar at the front wall where the girls are more than happy to serve you what you'd like. Beers are 5 extra each (don't really need it), Sadly no tanning facilities.
Between the bar and the sofa against the wall, there's a pole with a mirror behind it where some of the girls will occasionally perform a short pole dance on.
Facilities: Slot machine terminals in case you want to add gambling to the sin list, a massage room with what I think was an electric massage chair, the sauna of course (with a curious window to the main room, showers
I bided my time here using the sauna, enjoying the food and as many soft drinks as I could want, chatted with some great guests, older German gentlemen who were very welcoming, Russian guy telling me about the scene in Moscow (it seems to be better here, especially price-wise).
Bahama opens at 12 pm, closes at 3 am. The lineup consists of 15 girls, several of which were stunning. Karina, a tatooed 22 year old Romanian (who smokes Vogue cigs) was easily the life of the party, friendly, intelligent, polite and talkative to the guests and I dare say sexy in more ways than one. While talking at the bar would rub her legs close with light nimble movements. Though tempted I still bided my time, turning her down lightly when she offered as I doubted this would be last time here anyway.
After heeing and hawing, I finally manned up and approached (yes) the girl of my dreams, Denisa, a 26 year old, 1.72 cm Romanian girl with dark blond hair and blue eyes, an easy 9 in my book. Over the 30 minutes provided great service, in several positions with a wonderful attitude, spoke good German and curled up close even after we were finished with light pillow talk. Worth every penny.
To be fair and neutral, not all the girls were friendly, one recommended girl, Isabel seemed rather cold to me, preferring to indulge in her gambling habit rather than engage with my small talk. A few of the girls are on the shorter and chunkier side but this is not a minus, rather just catering to tastes that may not be my own.
Damage today not including transport(about 7.50 each way): 25 + 50=75
Now getting to my rookie points that will be obvious to everyone else: WTF?
I can come here spend all day, drink (soft drinks) and eat as much as I want for just 25 (spent 26 on a curry yesterday) or 35 at most? Chat with and eventually fuck beautiful girls for an extra but non compulsory 50? Though I do miss the all night experience in Thailand, is there really anywhere else that offers such an experience? Even if it were legal in other places like London, I'm positive they would be charging 100 pound entry fees.
It's ridiculous. All sorts of beautiful variety here virtually down the street, rather than an upward of 500 flight away. Food included already, other facilities.... Are these clubs for real???Are my weekends now going to be dominated by them? Frankfurt is looking up.
Worse, a friend once told me when I arrived to avoid the RLD and just go to the FKK clubs. IF, as per my post yesterday from the RLD, the hot girls ask for 70 with uncovered BJ and for 30 mins, they still do not kiss and do not provide much more than an automated experience, you end up with much less than what I had today for the 75. I think I now see what he meant.
I'm taking it easy tomorrow, Sharks is on the cards on Wednesday (a long overdue must see apparently) and Oase on Friday. What I've seen today as a newbie has really changed my perspective. I may never buy that curry again.
I forgot to mention Denisa, 26 years. She was already in Bahama in 2015-16 before taking a longer break coming back in January.
Karina (some tattoos) tries to get attraction dancing at the pole or moving in a lascivious way. Impressive eyes, sometimes a little bit too pushy in my point of view.
As a new residential you still have to go for Silvia, Isabel, Monalisa and Jenny. All women in the beginning 30's. OK, Isabel is 35 years old having a body with six pack belly. Her face may look somehat hard as she isn't a smily woman but a nyphomaniac in the room.
Silvia. My recommendation: waiting for the woman coming back from the bathroom position yourself on the chair and stay there until she is back in order to welcome you cowering in front of you. Her eyes lloking up to you while getting a perfect blowjob. It's a must.
Rebecca - she looks a little bit more woman, but in the room she provides you a perfect time together. Same for Monalisa.
Jenny, Hungarian, may not have the perfect look, but in the room she is somewhat submissive and you can enjoy a lot.
When going to Bahama bring enough cash, as unfortunately there aren't any cash machines close. The club is in a rather industrial type area.
I forgot to mention Denisa, 26 years. She was already in Bahama in 2015-16 before taking a longer break coming back in January.
Karina (some tattoos) tries to get attraction dancing at the pole or moving in a lascivious way. Impressive eyes, sometimes a little bit too pushy in my point of view.
As a new residential you still have to go for Silvia, Isabel, Monalisa and Jenny. All women in the beginning 30's. OK, Isabel is 35 years old having a body with six pack belly. Her face may look somehat hard as she isn't a smily woman but a nyphomaniac in the room.
Silvia. My recommendation: waiting for the woman coming back from the bathroom position yourself on the chair and stay there until she is back in order to welcome you cowering in front of you. Her eyes lloking up to you while getting a perfect blowjob. It's a must.
Rebecca - she looks a little bit more woman, but in the room she provides you a perfect time together. Same for Monalisa.
Jenny, Hungarian, may not have the perfect look, but in the room she is somewhat submissive and you can enjoy a lot.LOL, how you could have omitted Denisa I can't imagine. Haha. Anyway I suppose it got me to take initiative. Girl of my dreams, and I don't say that lightly.
Yup, that's the Karina I saw as well, apt description.
To be honest, I didn't get all of their names and those who I asked didn't seem to match those names. What is the name of that quiet other shorter blonde girl that always sits on the sofa left of the door (who did smile at me a few times). She probably would have been choice n2 or n3 (Karina. I'm coming back one of these days.).
Seriously though, there were several I would have tried and still can.
Isabel for sure looks tasty (as you said, sixpack), but she clearly preferred gambling to my custom today. Worse, I got the clear impression she doesn't like me and didn't like when I asked hours later whether she hit the jackpot yet. It's Monday, whatever, I don't judge. Maybe I'm just an ass.
COMMENT: For a while I glanced into the FKK forum, finding it odd that the users were referring to the girls by name and ascribing attributes, finding it slightly creepy. Now however I know why they do and am doing the same.
What is the name of that quiet other shorter blonde girl that always sits on the sofa left of the door (who did smile at me a few times). Could be MARIE (not Maria who is the size 32 black haired looking like an 18 years old girl). Although Marie is only 20 years old.
On a German board a mongerer wrote that Claudia, black hair, size 32, sometimes wearing these typical Hungarian style boots, hard face, gypsy style, is also a good performer.
Could be MARIE (not Maria who is the size 32 black haired looking like an 18 years old girl). Although Marie is only 20 years old.
On a German board a mongerer wrote that Claudia, black hair, size 32, sometimes wearing these typical Hungarian style boots, hard face, gypsy style, is also a good performer.Yes, I remember another Maria with black hair there today.
Yes, the blonde one I was talking about looked quite young to I think that's who I was talking about. Very quiet and shy. I think her youth was a mitigating factor as I wasn't sure whether her service would be any good from experience.
I wasn't so much in the adventurous mood after a not so great experience on Saturday with a newbie elsewhere.
COMMENT TWO: Yes, I'm now officially a creep.
VetMILFHunter
02-27-18, 23:08
Yes, I remember another Maria with black hair there today.
Yes, the blonde one I was talking about looked quite young to I think that's who I was talking about. Very quiet and shy. I think her youth was a mitigating factor as I wasn't sure whether her service would be any good from experience.
I wasn't so much in the adventurous mood after a not so great experience on Saturday with a newbie elsewhere.
COMMENT TWO: Yes, I'm now officially a creep.What is the name of this club why'all are referencing? Bahama sauna club?
Member #4585
02-28-18, 00:39
What is the name of this club why'all are referencing? Bahama sauna club?Bahama club.
VetMILFHunter
02-28-18, 14:41
Bahama club.Thanks, I was looking at the website wasn't sure if I was on the right one. Website says Bahamas sauna club or something like that. Sounds like maybe a decent spot to check out on my long trip coming up. After all the big name clubs that is.
VetMILFHunter
02-28-18, 14:43
Bahama club.I stand corrected. Went back to the site it is Bahama Club.
HeyyyyyyPaul
03-09-18, 15:37
I am thinking the best way for the customers and the girls is only one solution: they have to start limiting the amount of girls at the clubs, and enforce qualiity control. And choose girls out of looks and service...
The amount of girls are not getting any lower. It might be twice as many p6 girls in a few years given how society is liberalizing, finding jobs is getting harder and more countries are getting in with visa free travel (plus cheaper flights).
Limiting the amount of clubs is therefor the best part of the new german law as far as I can tell. If only the clubs can move that type of thinking forward and cap the girls also based on quality.
It is the same analogy you see in Macau with casino licenses and legally allowed numbers of gaming tables. Or taxi licenses in most european countries. If you don't do it like this, you will get empty gaming tables or taxis not earning money because of the overflow. And according to Steve Wynn himself, nothing hurts the market more than empty tables. So it is good, even to him to have such restrictions... Or you will find taxies like in sweden (where I don't think they have a cap on licenses) who rips you off charging 2x the standard fare from airport to downtown...Funny post. However, doubt there's anyone else that thinks there are too many girls for there to be a limit on them.
HeyyyyyyPaul
03-09-18, 17:05
I was curious to try a only sud american girls club. So we been here 2 days ago before went to ACA.
35 entry fee. 50 first room. 30 all other rooms. CIM included. Anal negotiated price with the girl.
Small club, eatable food, wifi work not so good. RTC are more better than this club. Bad line up here.
Arrive in the club, pay the entry fee and the theke call 2 girls for take care us, they wait that we undress and shower, then show us the club, give us a drink and when we sat down on sofa theystart to rub our cock and DFK, WTF!
Ok go in the room (this is the only club i tried where you have to pay the girl in advance) with a colombian girl, over 30, fake boobs and fake ass. Great BBBJ with a ball licking, hot sex, CIM.
Shower and eat. After some realx we sat on sof and start looking tv, just one minutes and 2 girls coming to us. I took Viky from Paraguay the only girl here have a slim body and sexy ass. She kneel in front of me and start to gave me a epic BBBJ-DT. Move to the room and I got alot of BBBJ-DT, ball licking and rimjob, good doggystyle sex.
My mate had also 2 great perfomer, great suck and hot sex, pity that girls here are not sexy at all.
I was curious, I took off the curiosity and certainly will not go back.Very interesting. I assume its http://www.sky-saunaclub.com.
Thicker women with great service I guess.
Funny post. However, doubt there's anyone else that thinks there are too many girls for there to be a limit on them.Quality beats quantity.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is being an idiot. And prices actually goes up if you leave large parts of the market idle in businesses such as gaming tables at casino's, taxis and even prostitutes. Because they ofcourse as well as everyone else in this world have to factor in the idle time they spend at work. So raising prices is the only way get pay from the downtime. If you are efficient and get many clients with almost no downtime, you can reduce prices. Like a factory that gets more efficient. Like Elon Musk who makes batteries and rockets with a totally new approach from the first stage of production.
This is not rocket science, but it is however contrary to economic theory which only talks about market competition. But that's a stupid theory and made up by total idiots who advocate social dumping. And f social dumping is what we want on prostitutes, then you will only get hate in return.
Funny post. However, doubt there's anyone else that thinks there are too many girls for there to be a limit on them.I think the clubs are an interesting dynamic where in many cases some limitation of something could be beneficial. Too many bears and not enough women ends with frustrated bears. Too many women and not enough bears ends with frustrated women. Too many bears and women ends with long waiting times. Too much food and free beer and the women complain that the bears are to drunk and too lazy to want or be able to have sex. There is a perfect mix somewhere but I'm still trying to find it. Imagine, beautiful women, great performances, maybe some fluffers working the couches, awesome food and drink, rooms for everyone and cialis and Viagra in the candy dish.
Rogue Nation
03-10-18, 09:13
This is not rocket science, but it is however contrary to economic theory which only talks about market competition. But that's a stupid theory and made up by total idiots who advocate social dumping. And f social dumping is what we want on prostitutes, then you will only get hate in return.Go discuss with Metin at Sharks about that.
It is not rocket science that he takes 80 EUR (or whatever it is now) from each girl he lets work in the club. Clearly quantity beats quality for him to maximize his profit.
Polyamorist
03-10-18, 12:44
Funny post. However, doubt there's anyone else that thinks there are too many girls for there to be a limit on them.Well I agree with Pistons that clubs need to focus more on quality. In fact it seems like a no-brainer to me. If CountryA (e. G. Switzerland) has quality control, while CountryB (e. G. Germany) has no quality control, then things are bound to evolve to a state where CountryB is only getting the rejects from CountryA.
It's about quality of behavior not just looks. Clubs are afraid of kicking out gang types because they will miss the "quantity". But by maintaining good environments, they could attract the silent majority of girls who don't want to work in an MMFKK (Mad Max FKK). I have known some beautiful women who worked in lower-paying clubs like Haus Panthera because they couldn't take the stress of places like Sharks.
So it's not a simple trade-off between quality and quantity. By having quality standards, FKKs could also increase the quantity of women coming to them. Perhaps even some nicer normal German girls (not gang types) would consider this a viable profession where they didn't before.
Rogue Nation
03-10-18, 13:40
But by maintaining good environments, they could attract the silent majority of girls who don't want to work in an MMFKK (Mad Max FKK). I have known some beautiful women who worked in lower-paying clubs like Haus Panthera because they couldn't take the stress of places like Sharks.
So it's not a simple trade-off between quality and quantity. By having quality standards, FKKs could also increase the quantity of women coming to them. Perhaps even some nicer normal German girls (not gang types) would consider this a viable profession where they didn't before.The silent majority of girls doesn't want to work at the clubs because of the standards and rules already existing. As those standards are deteriorating (BBBJ illegal, kissing not a real must, for 50 EUR it's BJ and sex for 20-30 min) there are more girls coming to the clubs who worked at apartments or houses before. That silent majority will not increase quality of women or service, it will have the opposite effect. The TOP girls are the ones who started at FKK clubs, worked there for quite a long time and built up a good reputation and many regulars by understanding the system and giving good value for money. The new girls are the ones who brought service levels down at Sharks. And of course not to forget the newbies and tourists willing to accept higher prices for less service.
Sharks has more girls than ever. More guests than ever (not a better male / female ratio for the girls, but higher absolute attendance from men and women). So the owners are maximizing profit. They live from what men / women pay to get into the club. As long as there's enough people coming they don't give a fuck about the quality of girls (service / looks). And even if there's less customers coming because quality of service is going down, they don't take any serious measure to change it. Look at Palace or Oase, customer count is down and still girls with bad service or their own creative prices do not consequently get kicked out.
So much for economic theory in the P6 environment. The people running those clubs do not have a management degree.
BigBuddy69
03-10-18, 14:45
Haus Panthera was well known for the average quality of service, not for the looks of the girls. Exactly the opposite of Sharks!
Go discuss with Metin at Sharks about that.
It is not rocket science that he takes 80 EUR (or whatever it is now) from each girl he lets work in the club. Clearly quantity beats quality for him to maximize his profit.Yes, since Autumn 2016, more numerous girls at Sharks than on 2015 and until Easter 2016, but where are the past topgirls? Who are the elegant look and behavior? Who are the new Katalina / Kate, Ilka, Karin?
Sharks became a sex factory with no selection for girls, club for tourists.
At GT, when a new girl start, desk ask how it was with her? Some girls are fired on their first day. Fortunately, GT opened now doors to Romanian beauties.
Go discuss with Metin at Sharks about that.
It is not rocket science that he takes 80 EUR (or whatever it is now) from each girl he lets work in the club. Clearly quantity beats quality for him to maximize his profit.That's why these clubs actually should be regulated.
Look at Palace or Oase, customer count is down and still girls with bad service or their own creative prices do not consequently get kicked out.
So much for economic theory in the P6 environment. The people running those clubs do not have a management degree.Well, indirectly Palace did kick out some girls last year. Question is just of these kicked out girls were the ones who should have been kicked out.
For your last point, I'm afraid I agree. They think short term and the lack of long term strategy is frightening. Some clubs are better than others, but most clubs make massive mess ups from Palace, Oase (remember the a la carte food mess up?) and Sharks, to Oceans (Asian strategy in Europe hasn't worked out that well), Acapulco (place is falling apart, and girls do 15 min rooms), Paradise Stuttgart, PHG and Samya. Some clubs also have no clue regarding crisis management, and how to prevent future complications.
The silent majority of girls doesn't want to work at the clubs because of the standards and rules already existing. As those standards are deteriorating (BBBJ illegal, kissing not a real must, for 50 EUR it's BJ and sex for 20-30 min) there are more girls coming to the clubs who worked at apartments or houses before. That silent majority will not increase quality of women or service, it will have the opposite effect. The TOP girls are the ones who started at FKK clubs, worked there for quite a long time and built up a good reputation and many regulars by understanding the system and giving good value for money. The new girls are the ones who brought service levels down at Sharks. And of course not to forget the newbies and tourists willing to accept higher prices for less service.
Sharks has more girls than ever. More guests than ever (not a better male / female ratio for the girls, but higher absolute attendance from men and women). So the owners are maximizing profit. They live from what men / women pay to get into the club. As long as there's enough people coming they don't give a fuck about the quality of girls (service / looks). And even if there's less customers coming because quality of service is going down, they don't take any serious measure to change it. Look at Palace or Oase, customer count is down and still girls with bad service or their own creative prices do not consequently get kicked out.
So much for economic theory in the P6 environment. The people running those clubs do not have a management degree.Even I'm not old in FKK land, but I agree for Sharks quality falling compare to when there were only about 50/60 girls, but some beauties, not GND land for tourists.
Fortunately, can sometimes find a really new fresh girl like I did on Friday night, without fake nails, without silicon, tattoes, piercing, virgin skin and so sensitive.
Quality beats quantity.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is being an idiot.
This is not rocket science, but it is however contrary to economic theory which only talks about market competition. But that's a stupid theory and made up by total idiots who advocate social dumping. And f social dumping is what we want on prostitutes, then you will only get hate in return.LOL, the US is the biggest economy in the world. Market competition and social dumping may as well be the backbone of this economy. Our national economic philosophy is pretty similar to the point of view of the club owners that Rogue Nation suggests.
Quantity leads to quality. You just have to sort out the shit that comes with it. But through the shit you get Tesla, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Disney, Google, etc.
And what do you mean IF social dumping is what you want? Poor Romanian girls are already working as prostitutes in Germany. Social dumping has been the backbone of FKKs for over a decade.
By having quality standards, FKKs could also increase the quantity of women coming to them. Perhaps even some nicer normal German girls (not gang types) would consider this a viable profession where they didn't before.Pretty sure registration shot down all hopes of that ever happening.
I have known some beautiful women who worked in lower-paying clubs like Haus Panthera because they couldn't take the stress of places like Sharks.
Despite sirioja's protests, the majority of beautiful ones will still find themselves at the mega clubs because, in the end, those hot girls will follow the traffic to the MMFKKs, as you say. You often hear of girls starting in NRW and moving to Hessen. Much less often do you hear of girls who started in Hessen and moving to NRW.
I think the clubs are an interesting dynamic where in many cases some limitation of something could be beneficial. Too many bears and not enough women ends with frustrated bears. Too many women and not enough bears ends with frustrated women. Too many bears and women ends with long waiting times. Too much food and free beer and the women complain that the bears are to drunk and too lazy to want or be able to have sex. There is a perfect mix somewhere but I'm still trying to find it. Imagine, beautiful women, great performances, maybe some fluffers working the couches, awesome food and drink, rooms for everyone and cialis and Viagra in the candy dish.Sounds like the glory days of World 5 or 6 years ago. No waits, good ratios, nice line ups, decent indoor public action, and maybe the best outdoor action I've ever had.
Despite sirioja's protests, the majority of beautiful ones will still find themselves at the mega clubs because, in the end, those hot girls will follow the traffic to the MMFKKs, as you say. You often hear of girls starting in NRW and moving to Hessen. Much less often do you hear of girls who started in Hessen and moving to NRW.We just don't have same eyes for beauties, I saw many beauties in small clubs, like Bahama for Alina. Ro, History Basel Liestal, Atmos, Harmony. I'm pretty sure no beauty like blond German Linda. De at small Harmony with only about 20 girls on Friday and Saturday, at big Sharks with more than 100 girls. If there was a beauty like her at Sharks, everybody would run for her and write about her. I saw her starting at 2 pm, with her friend, they stayed always together, I tried to understand how Linda behave for more than 4 hours, when she smiled to me I went to her, I was her first of the day at 6.30 pm, I was sure it would be only a optifuck, no other guy dare to go before me, she doesn't speak much English and only a few French words, but it was just fluent sex with a real beauty. I'm afraid I will have to drive 900 kms for her beauty.
Quantity don't make quality, but send me your Sharks beauties. Evita may be good to sell illusion I look for, but not a dreamed beauty for her face.
Linda lives in south Frankfurt. So many pretty Hamburg girls seen.
We just don't have same eyes for beauties, .Except that we were both regulars for Kate, Lucy and Ariana and I thought Megan was pretty. Hmmmm🤔🧐🤔 Seems like similar eyes to me.
Quantity don't make quality.
Quantity will eventually lead to quality. Thats just math; probabilty and statistics to be exact. You shouldnt argue against math🤓
That being said, I'll stick with my theory for you that girls behavior blinds your eyes😃
Or perhaps some other bias against Sharks😉
Linda lives in south Frankfurt. So many pretty Hamburg girls seen.
Girls who start WORKING in Hessen do not often move to NRW to work, at least less often than the reverse. Living or being from one place and working in another has nothing to do with my other point. And a German girl not working in her home town? I think it’s obvious why.
Except that we were both regulars for Kate, Lucy and Ariana and I thought Megan was pretty. Hmmmm🤔🤔🤔
Quantity will eventually lead to quality. Thats just math; probabilty and statistics to be exact.
I'll stick with my girls behavior bias theory😀Ariana was hot GFE for sex, but not what I call a beauty. I would say Lucy is cute, she was attractive at Palace, kissing for free for our 4 first 1 hour rooms, I stopped the fifth after 15 mn, but not so attractive for me at GT, compare to woman types.
I confirm not many girls attract my eyes at Sharks since Summer 2016, of course hunting warriors don't, not my image of women.
From the Sharks thread to support my bias-blinded eyes theory. More of a direct admission really😂
I'm just not attracted by prostitute behavior, I'm attracted by woman behavior.
BigBuddy69
03-11-18, 07:14
Don't you get the logic? He spends one third of the year in clubs where prostitutes are working because he doesn't want to have sex with prostitutes. And for the remaining of the year, he searches for prostitutes at his work, in a restaurant. At the coffee break at work with his colleagues, he goes "I'd like to cum in your mouth, how much is it? 25,50 € ?
Even I agree for Sharks quality falling
Fortunately, can sometimes find a really new fresh girl like I did on Friday night, without fake nails, without silicon, tattoes, piercing, virgin skin and so sensitive.Bam! Point proven. That's called Probability. With increasing quantity you found your quality. Hooray! 🥂🍾🎉🎁🎈🎊
LOL, the US is the biggest economy in the world. Market competition and social dumping may as well be the backbone of this economy. Our national economic philosophy is pretty similar to the point of view of the club owners that Rogue Nation suggests.
Quantity leads to quality. You just have to sort out the shit that comes with it. But through the shit you get Tesla, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Disney, Google, etc.
And what do you mean IF social dumping is what you want? Poor Romanian girls are already working as prostitutes in Germany. Social dumping has been the backbone of FKKs for over a decade.1. The US economy is what it is due to the size of USA, the federal reserve and the US dollar as a reserve currency other currencies are traded through, and loans are given to other central banks below the fed on the money pyramid. So the world economic system is staged towards the us dollar. That is why. And that is why startups goes to USA to get easy initial funding. Elon Musk is from south Africa. The Sergei Brin a Russian. Most of the it personnel in the bay area are foreigners. Same up in Seattle.
The idea of social dumping is taking something away. If you start very low, it is not social dumping when you keep paying low. It would only be social dumping if you start high and go low.
Bam! Point proven. That's called Probability. With increasing quantity you found your quality. Hooray! 🥂🍾🎉🎁🎈🎊I would be happy to find again beauties like I had before, at Sharks. I had really great girls there. On 2017, for elegant woman behavior, I found Florentina and Madi2 , not many, even I had few other good rooms, like with Corina or Aylin before silicon.
My arithmetic is more than 50 visits on both 2015 and 2016, not sure for 10 on 2017, 0 on 2018 , even German FKK land is not on top at the moment.
I look for woman type beauties, I m pretty sure no Linda beauty at Sharks. I didn t also see at Oase, even few pretty girls at Oase.
Some rare WGs can have woman manners, even they are prostitutes, what I also just look for, woman look and manners make a WG being attractive for me.
1. The US economy is what it is due to the size of USA, the federal reserve and the US dollar as a reserve currency other currencies are traded through, and loans are given to other central banks below the fed on the money pyramid. So the world economic system is staged towards the us dollar. That is why. And that is why startups goes to USA to get easy initial funding. Elon Musk is from south Africa. The Sergei Brin a Russian. Most of the it personnel in the bay area are foreigners. Same up in Seattle.
The idea of social dumping is taking something away. If you start very low, it is not social dumping when you keep paying low. It would only be social dumping if you start high and go low.Those are Foreign people who found success in the American system. Plus Elon Musk is a University of Pennsylvnis grad. He developed his his businesses entirely within America. Plus Microsoft, Apple, Google, etc are also homegrown, not imported and has nothing to do with currency or startup funding for foreign companies.
Many Loose definitions of social dumping exist but Importing cheap labor and driving down domestic wages is part of the basic definition.
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what I also just look for, woman look and manners make a WG being attractive for me.Yes we get it, a woman's behavior makes her beautiful in your eyes.
TankTank123
03-12-18, 01:57
... a woman's behavior makes her beautiful ... Unlike most women whose beauty might fade over a few years, the beauty of these particular women could degenerate within days should they approach some other customer first, or should they be seen in public action with 'old fat'. And they would be periodically flamed in perpetuity in various threads, whether relevant or not, in this forum. Hazardous job!
Yes we get it, a woman's behavior makes her beautiful in your eyes.For sure, elegant, natural sophisticated look attract my eyes, but good manners and elegant behavior give charm and attract my mind. This make the girl being more attractive, more desirable. I look more for pleasure in my mind, than filling condom. Even I ask my girls to be my GF, to choose them, I don't ask for love. When I can't feel the woman part of a WG, then just a not attractive prostitute for me, even she can be pretty, but not interesting game, waste of money.
Quantity does not always lead to quality. It usually leads to gangs of girls in a club enforcing their rules on larger amounts of girls in a club. If the club is too big for single or sometimes duo groups to have control, it may not matter. But it sucks if the top girls are in the same group.
But we can only use our power as consumers and avoid the bad service girls. Sometimes clubs can be minefields, but with gems hidden inside too. It really is very random. Big or small club. We all hunt the right girl (s).
Unlike most women whose beauty might fade over a few years, the beauty of these particular women could degenerate within days should they approach some other customer first, or should they be seen in public action with 'old fat'. And they would be periodically flamed in perpetuity in various threads, whether relevant or not, in this forum. Hazardous job!Right. Or instantly. Yes seeing little Lucy / Stella of Acapulco making out with an old, fat, balding man with a grey pony tail while sitting on his lap definitely killed any desire for me to repeat.
But also, when I see one superstar regular spending hours for big money, I don't care. When I see her spending hours of couch time with another customer who is in my peer demographic while I am present, then the illusion is lost. At that point, only free AO would bring me back.
BigBuddy69
03-12-18, 18:19
Wow, is Stella of Acapulco still working? She was hot!
Wow, is Stella of Acapulco still working? She was hot!The girl I'm thinking of I know as Lucy and I think she adopted the Stella moniker recently. Honestly I don't know which name she goes by at Aca. She is a very small German with lots of tattoos.
BigBuddy69
03-12-18, 18:30
There was a German Stella a few years ago with Turkish origins. She had glasses, tattoos and boobies! And she was good in bed.
There was a German Stella a few years ago with Turkish origins. She had glasses, tattoos and boobies! And she was good in bed.Ah different girl. This one is an ethnic German. Probably picked up the new name so she can work multiple clubs.
The girl I'm thinking of I know as Lucy and I think she adopted the Stella moniker recently. Honestly I don't know which name she goes by at Aca. She is a very small German with lots of tattoos.Lucy at Aca. Stella was at GT.
Quantity does not always lead to quality. It usually leads to gangs of girls in a club enforcing their rules on larger amounts of girls in a club. If the club is too big for single or sometimes duo groups to have control, it may not matter. But it sucks if the top girls are in the same group. But we can only use our power as consumers and avoid the bad service girls. Sometimes clubs can be minefields, but with gems hidden inside too. It really is very random. Big or small club. We all hunt the right girl (s).
Exactly, your scenario may play out that way at places as large as Oase but Sharks is too big for a group or 2 to exert that much control. You will always find high performing girls that are lone wolves. For me in the past they have been Ariana, Anja, Sandra, and Nastia to some degree. Heck, the world famous Mandy is a lone wolf completely unaffected by the culture of the German plastics at Sharks. Even at Oase in 2016 and 2017 when upsell culture was rampant, I still found at least a couple of good rooms a day.
If you look at a snapshot in time, clubs like Sharks may have down moments. But I'll keep saying it, outside of multiplying by zero, quantity will always lead to quality. Perhaps not favorable ratios, but quality girls at some point. Even if it takes a club to run through 500 girls, you will eventually find quality girls when you add more of them. It's a basic principal of probability. And clubs like Sharks have the most girls coming in and out. Those high numbers lead to high quality girls eventually walking through, even if they don't stay for long. I. e. Nastia #SadFace.
Heck, the world famous Mandy is a lone wolf completely unaffected by the culture of the German plastics at Sharks. Even at Oase in 2016 and 2017 when upsell culture was rampant, I still found at least a couple of good rooms a day.Mandy is a cool one. She has friends, but she normally avoid the bad service girls as friends. Probably because they try to exert bad influence on her, and she knows that would be bad for her income. All her friends give ok to great service. Thinking for herself, a smart girl who gives a club a very positive vibe!
Guys,
Can anybody say something about this club?
Looking at German reviews this is great club. But it is located right in a middle of nowhere and is pretty much forgotten by that reason.
Please note, this club has nothing common with two other "harems" in NRW.
The club has closed because of bankruptcy.
Source:
http://www.westfalen-blatt.de/OWL/Kreis-Paderborn/Bad-Lippspringe/3226183-Insolvenzverfahren-und-Durchsuchung-der-Staatsanwaltschaft-im-Bordell-Bad-Lippspringer-Harem-ist-dicht
Christian G
04-06-18, 09:48
Any recent info / reports on this FKK?
http://www.fkk-feigenblatt.de/
Citizen Kane
04-06-18, 18:30
The club has closed because of bankruptcy.
Source:
http://www.westfalen-blatt.de/OWL/Kreis-Paderborn/Bad-Lippspringe/3226183-Insolvenzverfahren-und-Durchsuchung-der-Staatsanwaltschaft-im-Bordell-Bad-Lippspringer-Harem-ist-dichtOnly ever been there one time a couple of years back. Not much of a line up on a Tuesday in June but by Christ, the hardware there was seriously. Utilities must have been a killer. I imagine the closure of the nearby British Army base didn't help either. Sad to see it go.
FunExplorer
04-13-18, 14:49
My original plan on Wednesday was to go to Bahama Club. Finding that FKK Atlanta was on the way to Bahama from my hotel, decided to go. That was for worse.
With an entrance fee of Euro 19, There were six women almost everyone were over 40 or may be 50. Had ordered a beer and had no option except to drink and pay Euro 5. What a waste of time? I have not seen such a worse line up anywhere.
The on the cab driver recommendation went to FKK Darling. That was a monumental mistake. Entrance Euro 30. The Owner who was commanding girls said, I could have three beers, food and soft drinks. Wondered how he made money and paid and entered. Again worse line up and finally chose the youngest of them Aliska from Romania. Could hardly speak English. Agreed for Euro 50 all inclusive. Left the place immediately thereafter.
Arrived at Bahama. I had a nice time last time there so expected the same thing. About 12 girls and not many men. May be 5 or 6. The line up was average. Looked like the entire club is dominated by Romanians. Had a session with Romalia. Good all inclusive Euro 50. The second was Mary and that was okay but nothing great.
I cannot remember the last girl's name. May be Cici or Syci? Not a memorable one.
At the urging of a fellow monger, I stepped on my normal routes and went exploring. The objective was to experience things as the locals do.
Our first stop for Sauturday morning was XS-Sauna in Bochum. We were met at the door at 11 am by a very nice lady who spoke very little English. A bit of sign language and back and forth phrases and we were in, entry €30. Into the locker rooms where to robes are hanging for the bears to select the size required, slippers are in the corner. The lockers are huge by comparison to a lot of other clubs I've visited. We found our way to the continental food line. The hot food options included sausages, soup, small schnitzel and German style Fricadel. There was also a choice of several cold lunch meats, cheese and bread. The menu was static for the entire day.
Once we were fed we went into the main bar for a coffee and a look at what female talent might be present. It was interesting because the club was previously a flat rate club and has carried over some of the concepts from days gone by. There is a menu in the form of a X and why axis table, showing the girls names on the why axis and the services offered on the X axis including any legal costing options. One lady, Magda caught my eye immediately, but I wanted to wait and see how the line-up developed. By about 2 pm, there were 10 ladies present and maybe 5 bears. The ladies were bored, sitting in the bar and on the patio, shouting back and forth mock supporting the football teams on the TV. I decided it was as good as it was going to get before we left the club, so I went to Magda, 24 yo RO, to make the deal. Up the satire we went, into a room with a very noisy bed. As we undressed I was sad to see that her fits were not in as good of condition as I would have liked. We started with a nice BYJ, moving on to sex in multiple positions, circling back to BJ with some hand assistance. This lady had some talents and determination. Of 60 minutes in the room we were active for about 55. Damage for a one hour session was €80 with a €10 extra.
After the session, I waited on the patio, while my traveling partner was making his decision about the ladies. They have a jacuzzi, sauna and an outdoor shower. The jacuzzi was covered so I asked about it. I was told it would be ready for me in five minutes. When I came back it was uncovered, the water was cold. They hard just filled it and hadn't even turned it on. I passed on entry even though the lady turned the bubbles on for me and cranked the temp up. I opted for the sauna instead. It was very warm but a bit small. After a relaxing sauna I returned to check on my travel partner. He was still waiting on a lady to return from the room but it seemed she was booked long term. As time was running out for this club, we decided to depart at about 6 pm. All in all, an interesting visit but I'm not sure if I will return to the club.
In the car, GPS was set to Freudenhaus Dortmund. It is somehow related to XS-Sauna Bochum. We arrived at the club and were buzzed in. This time there was no problem with communication. €40 for entry, we were given our robes and off to the lockers to change. Again, we found very big lockers, these included a shelf to keep the shoe apart from the clothes. Once changed it was time for a tour. The bar seemed very nice, outside I found a hot jacuzzi, heated swimming pool and heated pool. Back inside I found the restaurant, where the food looked the same as in Bochum, but with the addition of some salad and new potatoes. The menu of the ladies was similar to the menu I described at Bochum. Here there were 16 ladies present and consistently 20-2 t bears rotating through. Of the ladies there were three that I found desirable. They also have a TV with a slideshow showing the ladies with their names. I first wanted to take a jacuzzi so I headed outside. I enjoyed the jacuzzi, sauna and pool for about an hour and headed in ready to play.
As I walked in, I saw young Claudia, 21 yo TO, playing with Kati, 30 old RO. These two were on the top of my list so I watched to see how things developed. Before I knew it Claudia was dirty dancing which ended with her laying back on the couch playing with her pussy. I was completely primed so I asked her to take a key. Up stairs we went where she continued the show in private, getting more and more nasty. I joined her on the bed for some tender French kissing which transitioned to BJ, CG, Missionary, super high energy the'S and circled back to BJ where I finish strong. I wasn't as precise this time and went over the one hour mark by about 10 minutes. We left the room, where she asked me €70 for a one hour session of wild and crazy sex.
This was the end of day two for me and I was tired so I relaxed in the bar, where I was treated to a hot chocolate. My risk to return to this club is high.
Christian G
04-16-18, 10:38
Thank you Chongmal for your report about XS and Freudenhaus. I think this is the first report here on ISG on these premises since they became Saunaclubs.
Thank you Chongmal for your report about XS and Freudenhaus. I think this is the first report here on ISG on these premises since they became Saunaclubs.Thank you. From what I saw, the line-up at these two clubs is still a bit smaller than normal. There were several ladies on the program that have not returned from Easter. I like some of the more active clubs during the slower business times but I prefer this environment over a Friday / Saturday night at clubs like GT, LR, YinYang and Samya. These are good options to sneak away to for an economical continuation of the day. I will likely spend Saturday days in a larger club and relax in a smaller club like these during the evening.
Christian G
05-18-18, 09:56
XS Bochum (former Pauschalclub) was the only club where a girl tried to upsell for BBBJ in my last German trip. I thought this club and the sister club Freudenhaus in Dortmund (former Pauschaclub) could be a good club with a different price / service menu. Anyway prices on their website are not real and girls will try to charge more, many girls have 40€ / 30 min in their profile, but in real they ask for 50€ / 30 min.
Entry fee 30€. Line up with 12 girls.
I went in the room with Claudia from Brasil https://www.xs-saunaclub.de/girl/105/claudia.
In the zimmer she asked 20€ extra for BBBJ WTF! BS! She told me on couch that was included, lier. I was tempted to leave the room and go to complain with the Thekefrau. Anyway she offer anal also with extra and I had planned to pay some extra for anal sex. At the end we agree on 100€/30 min with BBBJ-FK-anal-COB. Perfomance was nothing to write back home but at least she did everythings and let me fuck her ass hard and I used the whole 30 min.
My friend had a similar experience with another girl here tried silly upcharge, so for the next day we avoid to visit the sister club in Dortmund. We leave XS after a couple of hours with only 1 room. The quality of the food seems to have dropped compared to when it was a pauschalclub.
Hi guys!
I will stay in Wolfsburg in a few weeks and I was wondering if there are any FKK clubs nearby? I know there is Artemis in Berlin but I am looking for something closer.
I found the Bada bing club in Wolfsburg and the FKK villa in Hannover. But I can't find anything on the web or here about them.
Any info you could give me?
Cheers.
XS Bochum (former Pauschalclub) was the only club where a girl tried to upsell for BBBJ in my last German trip. I thought this club and the sister club Freudenhaus in Dortmund (former Pauschaclub) could be a good club with a different price / service menu. Anyway prices on their website are not real and girls will try to charge more, many girls have 40 / 30 min in their profile, but in real they ask for 50 / 30 min.
Entry fee 30. Line up with 12 girls.
I went in the room with Claudia from Brasil https://www.xs-saunaclub.de/girl/105/claudia.
In the zimmer she asked 20 extra for BBBJ WTF! BS! She told me on couch that was included, lier. I was tempted to leave the room and go to complain with the Thekefrau..I went back to Dortmund this pat weekend. The food is the same as at XS, with a bit of salad available. If a person went 3 days in a row I expect they would see the same menu on offer all three days, possible even the same food. As I posted previously, you can survive on it but I don't think you would ever set at home and think to yourself, the food at these clubs is what made me choose to visit them instead of another club.
I think a lot of the women in these clubs ask the extra for BBBJ. I'm positive it would be included as an extra on the menu board if it was a legal service. Some women asj €10 just for kissing, which brings them to a €50/30 min standard like you see at many NRW clubs. I think the services received for compensation made seems low compared to other clubs in the area. Most would be €50 for the session, €50 for anal, €25 for COB and many ladies I know won't offer this in a 30 min session.
At Dortmund I sessioned a nice African lady, Danna. When we went to the room she forced me to commit to a time limit which I rarely do. As she insisted, I chose 30 min. She has a 30 min program, included BJ, plus 2 other positions. All in all, I was rather satisfied except that she popped me in about 20 very active minutes. I did receive the extra 10 min to relax before returning to the bar. For me, I usually save €25 here for equal sessions compared to other mainstream NRW clubs.
Hi guys!
I will stay in Wolfsburg in a few weeks and I was wondering if there are any FKK clubs nearby? I know there is Artemis in Berlin but I am looking for something closer.
I found the Bada bing club in Wolfsburg and the FKK villa in Hannover. But I can't find anything on the web or here about them.
Any info you could give me?
Cheers.Don't know Bada Bing, but FKK Villa in Hannover is worth a visit. Classique building, nice and correct girls.
HeyyyyyyPaul
07-25-18, 16:03
First of all some warning for the more experienced or better said, those with any experience at all (unlike myself) with the FKK club scene. My previous and first was at FKK Dietz two days ago (planning to start with the notable small ones in the Frankfurt environs).
How do I put this? Sorry, but Dietz was just blown out of the water.
Thanks to Tedescos fantastic directions (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1100-Other-FKK-Clubs&p=2126816&viewfull=1#post2126816) I ditched google maps' suggestion of taking the S-Bahn and likely trudging through a forest for 30 mins, and instead took the Ubahn 7 to Enkheim and the x57 from there to the aptly named "Honeywellstrasse". Again just read his directions. Last bus on weekdays back to Enkheim is at 23:01 pm.
Arrived around 3, stayed till past 10.25 entry on Mondays and Wednesdays (25 every day if you arrive between 6 and 8 pm). Friendly reception woman told me the basics (got locker 1 as opposed to locker 13/ smiley face in Dietz), got changed and inside I went, great ambience and decorations. The place looked fresh, started off in the TV room where one of girls greeted me, sat next to me touching after her smooth legs against mine and conducted small talk. (Great Start). Tbh, this is more to my liking than a complete hands off approach.
Girls wear a mix of lingerie, topless or not or are clothed in skimpy outfits. Several wear high heels.
The main room looks like that of a fancy bar or night club, where most of the girls at one point or the other are sitting in (though you can still catch them in the other rooms) with a bar at the front wall where the girls are more than happy to serve you what you'd like. Beers are 5 extra each (don't really need it), Sadly no tanning facilities.
Between the bar and the sofa against the wall, there's a pole with a mirror behind it where some of the girls will occasionally perform a short pole dance on.
Facilities: Slot machine terminals in case you want to add gambling to the sin list, a massage room with what I think was an electric massage chair, the sauna of course (with a curious window to the main room, showers
I bided my time here using the sauna, enjoying the food and as many soft drinks as I could want, chatted with some great guests, older German gentlemen who were very welcoming, Russian guy telling me about the scene in Moscow (it seems to be better here, especially price-wise).
Bahama opens at 12 pm, closes at 3 am. The lineup consists of 15 girls, several of which were stunning. Karina, a tatooed 22 year old Romanian (who smokes Vogue cigs) was easily the life of the party, friendly, intelligent, polite and talkative to the guests and I dare say sexy in more ways than one. While talking at the bar would rub her legs close with light nimble movements. Though tempted I still bided my time, turning her down lightly when she offered as I doubted this would be last time here anyway.
After heeing and hawing, I finally manned up and approached (yes) the girl of my dreams, Denisa, a 26 year old, 1.72 cm Romanian girl with dark blond hair and blue eyes, an easy 9 in my book. Over the 30 minutes provided great service, in several positions with a wonderful attitude, spoke good German and curled up close even after we were finished with light pillow talk. Worth every penny.
To be fair and neutral, not all the girls were friendly, one recommended girl, Isabel seemed rather cold to me, preferring to indulge in her gambling habit rather than engage with my small talk. A few of the girls are on the shorter and chunkier side but this is not a minus, rather just catering to tastes that may not be my own.
Damage today not including transport(about 7.50 each way): 25 + 50=75
Now getting to my rookie points that will be obvious to everyone else: WTF?
I can come here spend all day, drink (soft drinks) and eat as much as I want for just 25 (spent 26 on a curry yesterday) or 35 at most? Chat with and eventually fuck beautiful girls for an extra but non compulsory 50? Though I do miss the all night experience in Thailand, is there really anywhere else that offers such an experience? Even if it were legal in other places like London, I'm positive they would be charging 100 pound entry fees.
It's ridiculous. All sorts of beautiful variety here virtually down the street, rather than an upward of 500 flight away. Food included already, other facilities.... Are these clubs for real???Are my weekends now going to be dominated by them? Frankfurt is looking up.
Worse, a friend once told me when I arrived to avoid the RLD and just go to the FKK clubs. IF, as per my post yesterday from the RLD, the hot girls ask for 70 with uncovered BJ and for 30 mins, they still do not kiss and do not provide much more than an automated experience, you end up with much less than what I had today for the 75. I think I now see what he meant.
I'm taking it easy tomorrow, Sharks is on the cards on Wednesday (a long overdue must see apparently) and Oase on Friday. What I've seen today as a newbie has really changed my perspective. I may never buy that curry again.Great description of Bahama.
I have dared to visit Freude 39 on hot evening Wednesday Aug 1st. E15 entrance fee was very moderate. But they only service some cake, bifi and eggs as buffet. So you can stuff yourself, but it cannot be called a decent meal. But what woulld expect for 15 e?
The bad news: LU was very poor. The good news: Jessi 29, blond, Bulgaria was a good choice for me. Nice HJ, big tits (the one is the-cup natural, the other is DD-cup).
The other bad news: the much hyped big-titted Eva turned out to be a bummer (optical-wise! As her the-/ DD-cup boobies hang to the belly.
No recommendation here. Or if you like boobs, go to Jessi- but here boobs are bit soft.
Atlanta ooh na na.... A nice simple start.
-Getting there: Simple. Get one of the regional trains from Frankfurt main station or Frankfurt Sued heading towards Hanau main station, get off at Hanau West and then walk to the bus stop outside where you can catch Bus 12 direction Hanau Ikea. Ride it till the end of the line.
The club is further along the road where you arrive on the left with a sign indicating the spot. The club is behind a car shop and it looks as a first impression like a back street chinese takeaway. Got in, paid my entrance (25 euros this Saturday including food from the grill).
Getting back: took the bus 2 from Feuerbachstrasse after a walk further along the same road that I arrived to Hanau main station then the train back to Frankfurt.
-Layout and facilities: The front desk is the entrance, door to the left to the changing rooms and showers and ahead from there the main bar / living room. As one would expect this is where most of the girls hang around however they migrate looking for customers. Unlike Bahama which is in the same town, there is a more complete outside area with a pool, garden, seats and chairs as well as a small bbq shack where food is served. It must be noted that food is not usually included (though I was told they do a few days of the week), in this case the grilled chicken and pork chops and beef sausages with bread and veggies was served from 2 till 7. Atlanta is not a catered club like the others where one can eat late into the night.
The club is basically two stories: back inside a turn in the hallway leads to the upstairs area; one end of the upstairs hallway leads to a lounge with gambling machines, a sofa, the professional masseur's practice, some extra rooms. The hallway back in the opposite direction has several rooms to take the girls to, and the area at the end is the sauna, chill out / sleeping area as well as the jacuzzi pool.
Fairly complete in terms of facilities as far as I was concerned and definitely fitting for the summer and for the current heatwave.
-Girls / LU: initially as I arrived at 2 pm the lineup comprised of overweight rather plain looking girls and a few old timers. It felt like the girls were matching the customers looks wise. Then as time went on it got better and some slimmer prettier ones started to arrive though your usual Romanian / Bulgarian lineup (who is it just me? Do start to look the same). Some older women who have come from other clubs. Overall I didn't find the LU to be that great at first glance however in August some are on holiday I was told. There is however no denying that a lot of the girls are on the heavier side compared to in the large clubs but my threshold of heaviness is likely lower than most people. I think it is a matter of taste.
The lineup numbers some 20 girls on average though tonight I think there were like 16. Even better, the club never got too crowded to the girl / guy ratio was at most 2, but mostly lower. The number of girls did not decline by the time I left and I was told that they stay until closing time (which is 4 am, 5 am on other nights).
The even better news is however that Atlanta seemed very much Stammgast-dominated, which keeps the service at a good level with little upselling. (I do however always ask for exactly what I want) I opted for slim blonde Mia who gave me a good session. BBBJ with kissing (though not DFK). Playful, a great BJ, missionary, cowgirl and doggie style, I enjoyed the session. 50 euros Standard as everywhere else.
Another looker was 21 year old Beatrice (imo the prettiest one there) with gorgeous long legs and great facial features, however I gave her a pass based on feedback from the other guests.
However that was it. I didn't feel like trying out many of the others and given this week's schedule didn't feel the need to.
I will say however that the girls were friendly enough and that they were neither pestering nor seemed anywhere near as sharky as in the larger clubs.
Left at 11, didn't feel the need to stay longer. Overall damage: 25 e entry (this currently varies across the week, being as little as 19e on Tuesday) and 50 e for the session= 75 e overall.
A nice frugal start to this week, way under budget.
-Verdict: all in all very acceptable, better than I thought from checking the website but I wasn't blown away by it, but would return. The ambiance was nice, and fun from my chats with the Stammgaeste (who helped me make my choice) to the nice drunk polish guy I drank with, knowing little English. As well as bumping into some people I knew from my trips to Bahama. I like it as a lower budget alternative to the
larger clubs with a good level of service, and the basic chill out facilities. I can't complain. Check it out and see what you think.
As usual, if you find the report helpful, please consider adding it the reports of distinction section. I am as always happy to contribute to the forum.
Has anyone been to FKK finest in Rheinbach? I fancy a change and was wondering what it's like.
Vito Corleone
08-13-18, 09:09
Has anyone visited FKK villa Vanilla yet?
Has anyone visited FKK villa Vanilla yet?
The former Villa Vertigo? When it is same quality of girls, you better not. But if it is a new owner, who knows how to attract and keep attractive, service oriented girls, then it could be worth a try!
But you have to wait a little bit: the new owner is waiting for the right paperwork, this can take a few more days/weeks. In the mean time many girls will be present in Planet Happy Garden (when the same owner, don't expect too much of Villa Vanilla I am afraid.....).
On German and Dutch fora more details can be found.
Maxime: (or anyone) Can you describe the current situation at PHG right now? Esp the Ratio of east european vs german vs turkish girls? How many girls roughly? Any stunners? In terms of face, service, body?
The former Villa Vertigo? When it is same quality of girls, you better not. But if it is a new owner, who knows how to attract and keep attractive, service oriented girls, then it could be worth a try!
But you have to wait a little bit: the new owner is waiting for the right paperwork, this can take a few more days/weeks. In the mean time many girls will be present in Planet Happy Garden (when the same owner, don't expect too much of Villa Vanilla I am afraid.....).
On German and Dutch fora more details can be found..
Hi,
Has anyone been to sauna club Venus in Hamminkeln?
https://saunaclub-venus.com/index.php/home-1498.html
If so, what's it like?
Cheers,
Jack.
Hi,
Has anyone been to sauna club Venus in Hamminkeln?
https://saunaclub-venus.com/index.php/home-1498.html
If so, what's it like?
Cheers,
Jack.Beautiful small club with works for outside area. Not many girls, quite average looks. Public sex.
Nothing for me.
Same for a small club in Dortmund, I forgot the name, but no dreamed beauty to pay for.
Hi,
Has anyone been to sauna club Venus in Hamminkeln?
https://saunaclub-venus.com/index.php/home-1498.html
If so, what's it like?
Cheers,
Jack.I have wanted to go but it's further out of my way. A couple Flemish friends went and said it's quite nice, but a little small and a short line-up. If someone wants to go, let me know and I'll make the journey. I always like to explore a new club with someone else so I have someone to talk with between sessions.
I have wanted to go but it's further out of my way. A couple Flemish friends went and said it's quite nice, but a little small and a short line-up. If someone wants to go, let me know and I'll make the journey. I always like to explore a new club with someone else so I have someone to talk with between sessions.My friendly advice: stay at LR, or return to GT, and how said my little blond doll at Wellcum, a real fire in bed, what the fuck and don't care about the aggressive girl. After extending mountains climbing to 5 weeks, again next week, but now I'm a real iron super climber breaking my records, after suffering, and I will return on September to perform better when less hot, so when I will return, I will go to make her for intensive sport for heart and vagina for 30 mn, she should be very quiet after. I hope she will not ask me to repeat, because if I didn't have already her, should not be so attractive for me.
Maxime: (or anyone) Can you describe the current situation at PHG right now? Esp the Ratio of east european vs german vs turkish girls? How many girls roughly? Any stunners? In terms of face, service, body?
.You better ask a frequent PHG visitor here, I tend to avoid this club.
Hi,
Has anyone been to sauna club Venus in Hamminkeln?
https://saunaclub-venus.com/index.php/home-1498.html
If so, what's it like?
Cheers,
Jack.Yep, as I wrote here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=2200108&viewfull=1#post2200108.
Decent club and decent lineup, but limited in number of girls, so not suited for all day visit, only few houers (1-2 sessions). Some are ex CH, service level is better than in many other German clubs.
You better ask a frequent PHG visitor here, I tend to avoid this club.
Yep, as I wrote here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=2200108&viewfull=1#post2200108.
Decent club and decent lineup, but limited in number of girls, so not suited for all day visit, only few houers (1-2 sessions). Some are ex CH, service level is better than in many other German clubs.Cheers, I missed that post. Thanks for pointing me in the direction of it.
I agree. I like GT, but always feel lost in the crowd. Been to babylon and like it. I'm looking for somewhere similar.
I'll be in the area in a couple of weeks. My plan is GT on the Wednesday, Babylon on Thursday and venus on Friday. Depending on the weather, I might swap the Thursday and Friday as I'd like to see the new facilities there in the sunshine.
How small is the lineup at Venus on a Thursday / Friday? Am I likely to be waiting around while girls are in rooms?
How small is the lineup at Venus on a Thursday / Friday? Am I likely to be waiting around while girls are in rooms?Around 10-12 girls.
SpermBirds
09-03-18, 12:15
At Jhc1976: Club Venus is OK, limited amount of girls like Maxime mentioned. Almost strictly Romanian girls. The main problem will be that only 2 or 3 from the 12 girls are interesting and you might end up waiting in line for several hours with practically nothing else to do because the club is boring for the rest. Take a book with you to kill time if you visit the club on your own would be my advice and good luck hunting the few interesting ones (if they are there).
Hi guys,
I'd like to ask your advice about those two FKK.
For a 5/6 hours stop on a Saturday evening / night, would you recommend Palmas in Nuremberg or Oase?
Just taking into account standard 30 minutes.
Thanks.
XS-Sauna Club has a website that shows what Girls were working, their services provided, & the Price. A few Girls looked good to me so I visited the Club just after they opened and paid the 30 E door fee. This club had two big screen TV's that showed which Girls were working and their prices. None of the girls I was looking for were on the TV screens even though the website said they were working that day. Also the 1/2 HR price was 40 E for most girls on the website but the TV showed it to be 50 E. The few girls sitting around didn't interest me. It was early so I ate some food and had a Coffee to wait to see if some of the Girls I wanted would show up. About 90 min. Later Sofia came into the room and gave me a big smile as she sat down across from me. Sofia is an attractive 25 YO Bulgarian with a nice slim body. She was on my list but not my 1st choice. I was planning on getting two girls do a Lesbian show and joining in. I watched Sofia across the room as I waited for another suitable girl to show up. After 30 min. I decided just to see Sofia.
In the room Sofia did provide the services she listed except there wasn't much French Kissing. After some soft kissing I moved down to lick Sofi's pussy which she seemed to enjoy. Then Sofia did do a nice BBBJ and after a while we moved around for 69 . We had Sex with a Condom in different positions and I finished on top while she had her arms wrapped around me. It was an enjoyable session. After a shower I didn't see any other girl worth my time so I left the club.
https://www.xs-saunaclub.de/
TankTank123
10-28-18, 00:47
Hi guys,
I'd like to ask your advice about those two FKK.
For a 5/6 hours stop on a Saturday evening / night, would you recommend Palmas in Nuremberg or Oase?I have been to Nuremberg often, but have never heard of Oase there. There are Oase's in Frankfurt and Munich.
For me, Palmas/Venezia is the best in Nuremberg, better than Sylt or Heaven.
I was traveling past Munster so I went to SaunaClub49 & paid the 10 Euros entry. At this club they use a ticket system. Each ticket is good for 15 Min. And prices are 40 E each, 2/60 E, 3/80 E, or 4/100 E. You have to decide at the door. I went with the 2/60 Euros. This is small club but they did have food and a small eating area. After a shower I had a little snack and sat in the small lounge that had only 4 couches and a small bar with 4 stools. Sitting on one of the couches was a 19 YO very pretty brunette with long legs named Isa (pronounced Essa). She had a light European complexion and wore her hair in along Ponytail. She looked a German school girl to me. I went over and talked to her. As we discussed her services I asked if she liked 69 & Isa shook her head and said no. I was a little disappointed but she was hot so I went to an upstairs room with her.
In the room I asked Isa how this works and she asked for a ticket. I handed her a ticket and she said Ok it's 15 min. We got on the bed and Isa reached over and began a HandJob to get me hard. I in turn reached out and began to massage her soft titties to help her out. When I was ready ISA pulled out a condom. I thought we agreed on a BBBJ but again she was hot so I went along with it. With a condom it took Isa a while before I was ready for sex. To her credit she did a nice job with the BJ. When I was ready we did a few different positions and then I got on top of her and finished in Missionary position. Isa was mostly quiet but from the soft moans she made occasionally it seemed she enjoyed it. I know I did. This is a link to her on their Website. Reading it now it says she does do BBBJ & 69? Again I'm a little disappointed but the link does show her body so you can see why I didn't complain much!
https://saunagirls-muenster.6profis.de/sauna-girls/sedcard-isa-53057.html
I showered and had another snack as I rested up after seeing Isa. Later on a few more girls showed up. I saw them come into the club and go upstairs to get ready. There were a couple of petite girls that looked good so I waited in the lounge for them to come down. I waited & waited, had another snack, waited some more, had a coffee & waited still more. Almost 90 min. Later the girls came down. I approached a very attractive 20 YO girl Romanian named Anabelle. Her features as well as her name reminded me of a Persian girl from Toronto that I saw years ago. I asked her to do a session with me. Again in the room she asked for the ticket and again I got a CBJ and sex with a condom. Anabelle was a little more into it than Isa and she moaned louder and hugged me more. Again a slight disappointment not being able to lick her pussy but like ISA she was a very nice session. Her link shows she does do BBBJ & 69 also. I'm not sure if that is a generic bio for all the girls or maybe it has something to do with the tickets. When I got the tickets the receptionist said they were for 15 min. Each and I could give the girl as many tickets as I wanted to. Maybe two tickets included more services with the extra time?
https://saunagirls-muenster.6profis.de/sauna-girls/sedcard-claudia-41637.html
FKK Dietzenbach -done
Bahama Club -done
FKK Oase -done
FKK Atlanta -done
5th Element -done
FKK World -done
FKK Rom -done
FKK Night and Day -done...
The Palace
FKK Mainhattan
Now we're in the last phase of my exploration as the number of Hessen clubs I've yet to see narrows down.
Now however:
Night and day.... between this place and a real FKK club.
I woke up, got dressed and took the train, arrived at the club around 3 pm. Found the place easily (map pic attached), got in, paid my 39 euro entry, undresses into my robe, went to the bar area and......
ITS A TRAP!
-Getting there: (why bother?) Quite straightforward. From Frankfurt main station take a regional train towards Mannheim (they leave every hour at 10 minutes past). In my case this was the RE70.
23 euros for a day ticket both ways. Get out at Burstadt station.
From Burstadt station, take the stairs down and go up one street into an industrial area and take a right deeper into it. Easy.
-Getting back:
Same way. Burstadt station with train heading towards Frankfurt. Last train at the weekend is at 12:29.
-Layout / Facilities: it's two floors. Tiny.
Downstairs: Entrance has a gate which you have to get buzzed into. Past the counter is a long hall. First door on the right is the bar area. Next door to the right leads upstairs. Further, door on the left is to the change if room, next door on right to the kitchen where a rather small pathetic amount of food is served which they don't refill often enough. Further to the left are the showers and sauna, where they did have refills but largely the sauna wasn't so great. Further at the end is the door to the outside area which this time of year is useless anyway and the last door to the right to the quiet area. Who needs a quiet area in this place??
Upstairs: straight ahead, toilets then rooms dotted to the right, to the left of the toilets was a dark room with shackles and boards, the BDSM room in case outside of it wasn't punishment enough. Further that way to the right, a small decent kino where you'd be best served to relieve yourself for free, thanks to the very good porn movies being shown (Brazzers).
That's it.
There are different entry prices depending on what you want included: 40 e for everything included (my mistake, don't bother). 0 euros (yes 0) with nothing included and just 10 e for a towel and shoes. Or the most taken 25 euro option which includes food, 15 soft drinks and 5 beers I think?
I arrived on a special event night as Hungarian ex-pornstar Amy Shine had come to visit the club. Great dancer, nice enough to talk to, obviously not available for rooms so needless to say that she couldn't save this club.
-Girls / L-U:
5 girls when I arrived. 8 at its peak. But not just any girls. Several overweight or too old. One looker, one short girl who was a looker years ago but because she has blonde hair managed to get enough business.
I tried to be find some attractiveness in any of the girls but mostly could not.
8 girls??? This was a Saturday night with a special event, a time when you would expect to see this place at its best. Well maybe this was it's best and it was awful.
-Own experience: What does 8 girls mean? Well it means quite a sausage fest past 8 pm. It means few approach. You need to do that.
It means when you're sitting in the kino, might as well jack off, no girls are going to come to offer themselves. It means that you're through asking the LU in little over 10 minutes. It also means the girls can offer whatever because there ain't any competition.
-Monica (new): kissing but no BJ that I like.
-Nico (the looker): Offered 100 euros for 30 minutes.
-All the others: similar more or less. Nothing fit.
I took no room. I didn't need one, I'd already been fucked by coming here in the first place.
I didn't take one and I have no regrets not taking any. It wasn't worth it.
Obviously the overweight ones approach on and off but whatever. Worst LU, worst offered service I have ever seen.
By the time I left, the number had fallen to 5 who were mostly dancing around with themselves and the remaining drunk or frustrated customers sitting around, some occasionally approaching the bored girls on the other side of room. Nico playing on the damn slot machine. Saw one guy trying to proposition the cleaner. Basically the scene of a loser nightclub with the girls sticking together away from the guys. But yes. The problem is, this place is not a real bar or a nightclub, this place is supposed to be a brothel. And when you can't even arrange a fuck in a brothel.....
A nightmare.
-Verdict:
3/10. Avoid like the plague. Worst FKK I've been to (Dietz isn't that bad in comparison) mostly due to the lack of girls but worse due to the bare bone facilities, very small amount of food, distance from the city.
Most of the customers came from nearby places like Worms. I imagine that they just don't know any better and that Frankfurt is too far away for them.
Would I come back? Not a snowball's chance in Hades.
As usual, if you find the report helpful, please consider adding it to the reports of (dubious) distinction section. I am as always happy to contribute to the forum.
In Hessen, you have also Sharks and a club in Worms where Albanian Anja went to work, I think on Summer 2016.
Kosher Kowboy
11-18-18, 09:31
Great report,
I am sure Der Auslander will do the honors. I fuck up every time! My Mainhatten experience yesterday was worst in ages, than again my mind was elsewhere. Cut my losses, took a taxi to the Gypsies! When you are ready I would like to turn you in to a Dietz fan, your three girls to flip your opinion have been pre-selected and if unhappy your entry fee will be reimbursed. That offer is only applicable to the girls, I will not accept or reimburse said entry fee due to situations beyond my control such as hot water, athlete's foot or jock itch from the towels or sandals or filthy sausages etc.
These three girls you can't miss with, they will turn you in to a Dietz lover.
Ok, probably not but you will have a better time than last.
I'd say I am sorry I didn't join you yesterday, looks like I dodged a bullet and you're report will benefit many. And is worthy of an RoD.
Now get your fucking a $$ out of bed, the Gypsies start fucking in 30 minutes! I am in the process of finding out of these 3 who is on today, two are for sure, so ' two out of three ain't bad'.
Thank you for reviewing a club that is barely ever reviewed. I want to give a 1 euro for compensation. And if 200 readers do the same, you might enjoy this sponsorship for your next adventure.
BTW: instead of the "done" remark below. Something like a quick summary would be cool.
FKK Dietzenbach -done
Bahama Club -done
FKK Oase -done
FKK Atlanta -done
5th Element -done
FKK World -done
FKK Rom -done
FKK Night and Day -done...
The Palace
FKK Mainhattan
Now we're in the last phase of my exploration as the number of Hessen clubs I've yet to see narrows down.
Now however:
Night and day.... between this place and a real FKK club.
In Hessen, you have also Sharks and a club in Worms where Albanian Anja went to work, I think on Summer 2016.I know, I forgot to add Sharks. It got lost in the copy paste. Done.
FKK Worms, yes, I've heard of it. Some of the guests that came to check out night and day last night usually go there and indeed went back there.
Worms however is not in Hessen...
I know, I forgot to add Sharks. It got lost in the copy paste. Done.
FKK Worms, yes, I've heard of it. Some of the guests that came to check out night and day last night usually go there and indeed went back there.
Worms however is not in Hessen...Real name is not FKK Worms, I don't remember real name, I just talked about with Anja but never been there, but about only 50 kms from Frankfurt.
You have also FKK First, Atlanta Hanau brother, south Frankfurt, close to Hockenheim ring. Also 2 clubs: Pirates and another one, 100 meters from Pirates, in Bruchsal south Frankfurt.
Since 2016, a new club was said to open in Giessen North Frankfurt, close to World, but I don t know if opened. Also Finca Erotica in Dierdorf, not so far from World.
Member #4585
11-19-18, 01:08
Night and day.... between this place and a real FKK club.Essentially, from your report Night and Day is just a big house converted into a brothel with maybe a dozen out of shape hookers plying their trade charging the same prices as elsewhere in Hessen area.
I get bad vibes when I hear reports of this club. Thank you for confirming them.
GoldenDay opens today in Emmerich. 30 euro entry. If anyone makes a visit, please report!
http://saunaclub-goldenday.de/
Has anyone tried this place yet? It may be too far for most in NRW but I've heard some good things about it on friercafe. It must be a small place though it there's a roster of up to 16 girls.
No sooner do I ask about Venus then a day later I read that they are having an Easter party April 13 - https://www.saunaclub-venus.com/index.php/venus-news.html.
Also, that they are now closed Mondays, Wednesdays is suspenders & white lingerie, Sundays is party outfit and on other days nude.
Christian G
03-27-19, 21:23
Has anyone tried this place yet? It may be too far for most in NRW but I've heard some good things about it on friercafe. It must be a small place though it there's a roster of up to 16 girls.Do you know if the price is 50 E / 30 min or less?
Has anyone tried this place yet? It may be too far for most in NRW but I've heard some good things about it on friercafe. It must be a small place though it there's a roster of up to 16 girls.Beautiful small club with kino downstairs and a garden. Some girls dance, average casting for my eyes for my visit which was on a Friday.
Mr Bluenose
03-28-19, 11:39
Has anyone tried this place yet? It may be too far for most in NRW but I've heard some good things about it on friercafe. It must be a small place though it there's a roster of up to 16 girls.A nice little club that is worth a visit if you are in the area but not if you have to travel a long way. Lineup is Ok, with normally 8-12 of the roster there on any given day but it can be a bit static and the club superstar (Nicole) has recently retired. Food is Ok without being anything special and the facilities are all new and clean. Standard 50/100 pricing in force but they do also have a 75 E 45 minute option.
Has anyone tried this place yet? It may be too far for most in NRW but I've heard some good things about it on friercafe. It must be a small place though it there's a roster of up to 16 girls.If you like large clubs full of bimbo's, mostly with bad service (like Oase, Sharks, etc) void this club. If you like smaller, cosey club with 8-12 girls, of which most offer very good service, this is your place. Not really suitable for all day / long stay visit, but perfect for few hours of good sex! Ignore the listed age of the girls on the website, most of them are from 25 onwards (few over 30).
A nice little club that is worth a visit if you are in the area but not if you have to travel a long way. Lineup is Ok, with normally 8-12 of the roster there on any given day but it can be a bit static and the club superstar (Nicole) has recently retired. Food is Ok without being anything special and the facilities are all new and clean. Standard 50/100 pricing in force but they do also have a 75 E 45 minute option.Was this Nicole a beauty? Because I didn't notice her on my July 2018, on a Friday, visit. Average looks for me.
Mr Bluenose
03-29-19, 09:12
Was this Nicole a beauty? Because I didn't notice her on my July 2018, on a Friday, visit. Average looks for me.A really pretty girl with a very slim body and an arse like a Page Boy's. She was constantly booked anytime I visited. Normally she would have been there on a Friday, the lineup has certainly become lesser since her departure.
Was this Nicole a beauty? Because I didn't notice her on my July 2018, on a Friday, visit. Average looks for me.
Nicole worked there from the start (end of 2017) until a month ago. Now indeed retired. L0lita looks, but "close to 30 years". Natural cup B, black hair, dark skin (gypsi looks, but a beauty).
Worked for a very long time in Globe (also onder the name Nicole), like some others in Venus, so that explains the good service, and that for 50 euro instead of 140 CHF! :)
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