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Superforce99
02-10-07, 04:19
Congrats to all ISG members who helped the ZH board reach 1000 posts.

An honourable mention goes to the 'King of Zhuhai' Mr. Johnnykon666 who has trailblazed so much of the action where others once feared to tread.

You have provided so much detail on Zhuhai that it can now be simply regarded as the hotpot of sun, sea and sex.

And yes its true Santa, if you give LHL girls an inch, they will take a mile!

Xin Nian Kuai Le!

Yo Azn P,

I'm glad to have contributed to the ZH board (though in truth, I've found a lot of mongers in ZH who just don't post, which overemphasizes my contributions) but no need to call me the King of ZH...some fools might actually believe it or use it to address me, ha...

And unfortunately, I haven't been in Zhuhai for a couple of weeks now so anyone who was trying to contact me, sorry. But I'll be back in a few days ready to finish exploring those new areas I mentioned and (hopefully) with a new camera to add pics to my reports.

J

Superforce99
02-10-07, 05:09
Some general thoughts on recent posts:

-Good thing Angrysnake posted about the fake USB drives. I always thought it was strange as fuck that 8-16 GB USB thumbdrives were 100RMB or less. So, if it's too good to be true...

-LHL gals are mostly known to all the cops and would usually run away at an approaching police van. But if she has confirmed a ST / LT with you, then she will ask you to hold her hand like a BF. Then it becomes a game of will the cops actually hassle you, the monger, about the girl and the answer is almost always "no." Just hold her hand and walk to your hotel normally. Out of the half-dozen or so times I've had to do this, a cop actually stopped me one time and said something I didn't really understand. I replied, in Mandarin, "What? I don't understand. I'm leaving," and I walked past him and that was the end of that.

-LHL gals have a pretty high rate of "mercenary service providers" who only give good / better service if you pay more, I'll estimate it at 35-40% of all the gals. But, in general, they look pretty good and there are some hotties but be careful about who you choose and don't base it on looks only...the only thing that I find increases the chance of getting better service is to confirm with the gal before you get to your hotel what kind of service you'll be getting and at what price. Also, being somewhat firm and forceful in the bedroom is MUCH more effective than being a nice guy. In ZH I have found this to be much more true than, say, in CP. I know it shatters the "romance" of joking around with the gal and leaving things unspoken, but, well, she's a hooker and you're looking for service and not marriage. I think.

Also, use recommendations from friends and family. If I've gotten shitty service, I'm not going to recommend her (unless I want to play a joke on you) and if a gal has been good I will recommend her. If I'm a gambling / whoring guy, I'd want to increase my chances of success, and this is one way. Again, I know it shatters the "romance" of "finding" a gal on your own, but, well, she's a hooker and you're looking for service and not marriage. I hope.

-there are security cameras everywhere on LHL but they are more for the monitoring of fights, stabbings, other serious crimes, and the protection of people/mongers in general. Prostitution is part of the general rackets run by the local police and the cameras are to enhance it, not to go against it.

-the local police are idotic. One night, some fight broke out in the middle of LHL and, like in most parts of China, an instant crowd formed around the two fighters. After growing to about 35-40 people strong, a couple of police came by and tried to disperse the crowd by saying, "disperse" in Chinese, but to no avail. So....they sprayed pepper spray into the air, much like someone would spray air freshener in a toilet stall after taking a monster shit. Within seconds, the crowd had dispersed, the fighters had dispersed, and the cops had dispersed, and everyone within 15-20 meters was kind of teary-eyed and coughing. Ha ha...textbook PSB...


J

Laowai123
02-10-07, 05:44
I know it's off topic here, but want to continue here.

NEVER, NEVER buy branded goods in China in a street shop, sometimes neither in a department store when the price is very low to the price you know from your country! Branded goods also have in China their prices, e.g. mobile phones.

If you want to buy branded goods, go to HK. The chance to buy a fake is very high in CN.

This is rule #1 when intending to buy branded goods in CN and you expect to get an authentic good!

Of course, there are authorized shops selling branded goods, but there they have nearly the same prices as in your country.

It's just simple: Don't listen to your stinginess and use your brain!

LW

Superforce99
02-13-07, 16:08
Been away and busy so not much to report, but past few nights have had the chance to do a little bit 'o somethin...

LHL is pretty quiet right now. Tonight and yesterday night was lively and lightly crowded with people shopping and drinking at the open-air cafes (and there are about 50% more of these cafes than last year, about 15-20 now) but the usual SWs are nowhere in sight, instead replaced by two prominent police paddywagons at the halfway and endpoints of LHL. There are still about 3-5 gals that cautiously check the crowds for potential customers and approach you if you give them some eye contact, but for the most part, as of 7pm-11pm, nothing much. I'm pretty sure LHL is swarming with the usual gals sometime after midnight, though. Checked out a few saunas around LHL in the 11pm-1am timeframe and quality is acceptable at Jin Yue, barely acceptable/not acceptable at Fu Hai, Xiang Jiang, and Guo Tai. Ended up giving trusty old Da Ming Yuan a go tonight and was more than satisfied.

*SHORT REPORT

Realized that DMY either changed their pricing structure or I was never clear in the first place. If you finish your sauna service BEFORE 7pm, price is 208 RMB, BEFORE 8pm price is 228, AFTER 8pm price is 280. All prices quoted for normal VIP room with shower. Larger/smaller rooms available with slightly higher/lower prices. Had gal #663, Xiao Li from Jiangsu, and she gave great service and no complaints about doing two shots. I would recommend her and repeat.

***
No time for the usual longer report this time, but Xiao Li was a real sweetie and had the type of body that got me going (today, anyway). About 5'5, naturally slim and softly firm in the ways only a 23-year old woman can be, and perfect, blemish-free milky skin topped with two small, perfect A cups breasts dotted with lovely pink nipples. And she had very lovely feet...don't know why I noticed. The kicker were her nerdy glasses, which made her look like a hot student librarian on a college campus.

I told her to skip the soapy body wash and slurping water off my body routine and had her start into BBBJ with all the liquids. Excellent BBBJ following by pretty enthusiastic FS but lots of complaining about my 3-day stubbly facial hair. Ha ha...my fault for being lazy. After first round, horsed around by massaging and tickling her. Then another mutual shower followed by more great BBBJ, enthusiastic FS (which last quite a while), so I asked for a HJ finish which was pretty nice with lots of lube and simultaneous light FK and nipple kissing. Gave her a 150 + 50 tip which she was totally happy about. Paid 78 RMB at the front counter and went home happy. If you take her, tell her the "fake American" (her name for me) recommended her and you should get better service.


J

Sammon
02-13-07, 16:45
The chances of buying fake goods are also high in Hong Kong. High end items are better bought here in America. In Hong Kong go only to Authorized stores.

Bill Lee
02-13-07, 17:04
remind me of the time this mommy at Yalan in Chang Ping kept pushing me to take this girl. She was kind of chunky and didn't say much but a real doll. So I gave in and took her back to the Miraton Hotel.

Much to my surprise, once the clothes came off, she was also fake.

But the best thing about her was that she let me do her in any position I wanted without complaining.

Bill

LuvumBare
02-13-07, 17:07
The chances of buying fake goods are also high in Hong Kong. High end items are better bought here in America. In Hong Kong go only to Authorized stores.

It is not unheard of for "authorised stores" to "salt" their inventory with fakes. In fact it is an acceptable practice in China, HK, Macau, SNG and BKK particularly if the customer is flashing a large wad of money.

This also happens in the US, Canada and Europe where store buyers may well mix in some fakes so they can show better profits.

In todays world of very advanced counterfeiting and absolutely no valid method for the consumer to insure his purchases authenticity, caveat emptor ia the key phrase.
'bare

Crazy Guide
02-13-07, 18:44
LHL is alive and well. It is 1:30am, I just returned from a round of beer at one of the umbrellas stands. Within 5 mintues of sitting down, I was approached by a very sweet looking 19yo. Altogether, for the 30 mintues I was there, I counted over 30 sw's. Now I am back at Chang An NW, ready to hit the sauna. Cheers!

Chop Sticks
02-13-07, 19:25
It is not unheard of for "authorised stores" to "salt" their inventory with fakes. In fact it is an acceptable practice in China, HK, Macau, SNG and BKK particularly if the customer is flashing a large wad of money.

This also happens in the US, Canada and Europe where store buyers may well mix in some fakes so they can show better profits.

In todays world of very advanced counterfeiting and absolutely no valid method for the consumer to insure his purchases authenticity, caveat emptor ia the key phrase.
'bare


Good, I hate those companys manufacturing their "branded" shit in 3rd world countries for 1 $ and resell it for 100$, and dont pay any tax coz their headquarter is unfortunatly based on the cayman islands or they find another way of corruption.

Fakes are the most socials thing. Fakes rule. Fuck all the big companies.

Em I "authorized" ? wtf LOL

Fast Eddie 48
02-13-07, 23:22
LHL is alive and well. It is 1:30am, I just returned from a round of beer at one of the umbrellas stands. Within 5 mintues of sitting down, I was approached by a very sweet looking 19yo. Altogether, for the 30 mintues I was there, I counted over 30 sw's. Now I am back at Chang An NW, ready to hit the sauna. Cheers!


to all


That LHL is a big hit and miss sometime is dead and next thing is alive and well , Those sw come and go like ghost don't give up if you don't see any actions if you go back or just stay and have a drink or two and they will come
like the wind .



fast eddie 48

Superforce99
02-14-07, 03:35
remind me of the time this mommy at Yalan in Chang Ping kept pushing me to take this girl. She was kind of chunky and didn't say much but a real doll. So I gave in and took her back to the Miraton Hotel.

Much to my surprise, once the clothes came off, she was also fake.

But the best thing about her was that she let me do her in any position I wanted without complaining.

Bill


With a doll like that, this is one time I think that going bareback would be no problem...but knowing my Uncle Billcey, you probably gave her a 50 RMB tip for that pleasure, ha ha...


J

Tingtongmakmak
02-14-07, 16:22
Long time reader but first time poster here. Have been reading various reports here for quite some time itching for an adventure in Zhu Hai. Taking advantage of the upcoming holiday here in HK I've decided to take the ferry and see some of the places that have been mentioned on the board. Nevertheless, there are still some questions I'd like the experienced members hopefully could answer for me. Plus any other advice would be welcome!

1. With the CNY holiday, would prices for hotels and girls be tremendously inflated?

2. What are some of the 4-star hotels you all can recommend for a 1 or 2 night stay that's near the action, such as the LHL area?

3. Aside from the freelancers on the street, which may seem a little bit risky to me, where are some of the other places I can take a girl back to my hotel for overnight? What about some of the nightclubs? I'm traveling solo so would it be weird if I go to a nightclub by myself?

4. Where can one book a hotel?

Many thanks for any comments in advance! If any of you will be in Zhu Hai during the CNY weekend and would like to have a beer or two with me, do let me know.

Superforce99
02-16-07, 04:01
I don't know how I forgot to add the funniest detail about my visit to DMY last time...as I entered the lobby of the hotel, I saw some bellhops stacking a huge mountain comprised of small bags of laundry detergent and bulk packages of toilet paper. I didn't think much of it until I saw one of the sauna girls, in her tight, skimpy red uniform appear from somewhere and proceed excitedly to register then get a bag of detergent and a package of toilet paper. Then another and another and another sauna girl kept coming for the stuff.

I was actually hoping to see an attractive sauna gal so I could note her number, but then I realized after a few minutes that only the mediocre-looking gals had the time to come downstairs and get their CNY bonus items. It made for a good ice-breaker with #663 (who got her loot earlier in the day at lunchtime) and I'm sure if you bring a sauna gal or LHL gal a small gift for CNY and give it to her before getting serviced, you may get a happy gal and/or better service. And if nothing comes to mind, well laundry detergent and/or toilet paper seemed to get big smiles from these gals, ha ha...


J

Weelock
02-16-07, 04:44
Hello,

Someone wrote in Chinese some high end sauna for me. These are five stars Sauna in Zhuhai that commands a high price, about 600-1000RMB range. Can anyone tell me about any of these places listed, like gossip or rumors. He told me the facilities, services and girls are some of the best in Zhuhai. Thanks, my Chinese is very limited.

See scan for listing of saunas.

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4.

Thanks……

NO PICTURES of girls sorry....

Boyle
02-16-07, 07:40
I don't know how I forgot to add the funniest detail about my visit to DMY last time...as I entered the lobby of the hotel, I saw some bellhops stacking a huge mountain comprised of small bags of laundry detergent and bulk packages of toilet paper. I didn't think much of it until I saw one of the sauna girls, in her tight, skimpy red uniform appear from somewhere and proceed excitedly to register then get a bag of detergent and a package of toilet paper. Then another and another and another sauna girl kept coming for the stuff.

I was actually hoping to see an attractive sauna gal so I could note her number, but then I realized after a few minutes that only the mediocre-looking gals had the time to come downstairs and get their CNY bonus items. It made for a good ice-breaker with #663 (who got her loot earlier in the day at lunchtime) and I'm sure if you bring a sauna gal or LHL gal a small gift for CNY and give it to her before getting serviced, you may get a happy gal and/or better service. And if nothing comes to mind, well laundry detergent and/or toilet paper seemed to get big smiles from these gals, ha ha.

JWhere is DMY? Or is it what is DMY? I will be visiting Zhu Hai (Gong Bei), where is the best place to stay with close access to a Suana.

Thank you

SlimGuy
02-16-07, 10:55
Boyle,
Most of the hotels have inhouse sauna.
:)

Bill Lee
02-16-07, 15:37
Use the internal search engine up on top, select advanced search, put in DMY and select China in the bottom right section. You'll find the posts you want. Or since this DMY is quoted in the ZH board, select the Search this Thread option on the right upper corner and input DMY. Do some work before you ask.

Best, best in what? Hotel service, like 5 star? What your idea of best? Like Slimguy says there's a sauna in every hotel. So if your question is what hotel is best to be near a sauna, all of them are.

If you're specific with your questions, board member will give you specific answers.

But read the board and do some searching first before asking.

Bill


Where is DMY? Or is it what is DMY? I will be visiting Zhu Hai (Gong Bei), where is the best place to stay with close access to a Suana.

Thank you

Chopsuey
02-17-07, 02:30
If you are looking for a five star hotel with a Sauna, based on my experience in Zhu Hai, I have no problem recommending either the Harbor View Hotel or the International Conference Hotel across the street. I don't know if the International Conference Hotel has a Sauna, but the Harbor view certainly does and it is an excellent one.

In either case, enjoy Zhuhai, it's a welcome breath of fresh air from the rest of China.

ABCinLA
02-17-07, 08:16
Holiday Resort Hotel, but the health center is a bit of a walk from the actual hotel. 988 rmb for a big room, the women match the talent in Macau, imho.

Crazier
02-18-07, 00:51
Holiday Resort Hotel, but the health center is a bit of a walk from the actual hotel. 988 rmb for a big room, the women match the talent in Macau, imho.

It was our first experience into China and we were like "lambs to slaughter."

Yes, the service, sauna and other facilities were one of the best I have ever had anywhere.

Did not know if they could do a "line-up" in the rooms. We were shown photos in an album and were picking beauties based on "studio-shots".

Most of the ones I wanted were not on duty that early afternoon. At 238, the room I had was mediocare as compared with the rest of the facilities!

For 500 rmb (tip) my girl looked good enough but the service was far from outstanding.

Another friend of ours who deferred on special sex service had a "happy ending" for the all-in fee of 238 and he was the only truely happy person in our group!

Having done more of China now, I would if opportunity allows check it out one more time having had more experience in China today.

Tingtongmakmak
02-23-07, 11:29
What are the chances of getting on with one of the girls working at the bar on Lian Hua Lu? I'm talking about the girls working inside the bar, not the streetwalkers. Do they already have boyfriends? Anyone had any success with these girls? What do they look for, are they in the game or perhaps looking for long-term relationship?

Another question is regarding hotel booking. Should I book through a travel agency in HK, such as the China Travel Service, or hotel walk-in?

Many thanks in advance!

Grasshoppa
02-24-07, 03:15
What are the chances of getting on with one of the girls working at the bar on Lian Hua Lu? I'm talking about the girls working inside the bar, not the streetwalkers. Do they already have boyfriends? Anyone had any success with these girls? What do they look for, are they in the game or perhaps looking for long-term relationship?

Another question is regarding hotel booking. Should I book through a travel agency in HK, such as the China Travel Service, or hotel walk-in?

Many thanks in advance!Haha, you are going to cop a roasting with those questions since its been asked a few times in this forum. RTFF!

Crazier
02-24-07, 03:23
What are the chances of getting on with one of the girls working at the bar on Lian Hua Lu? I'm talking about the girls working inside the bar, not the streetwalkers. Do they already have boyfriends? Anyone had any success with these girls? What do they look for, are they in the game or perhaps looking for long-term relationship?

Another question is regarding hotel booking. Should I book through a travel agency in HK, such as the China Travel Service, or hotel walk-in?

Many thanks in advance!

On my first ever visit, I did have one of them and now, am about to "close"
on another.

Look around you, can't you see that every "son of a *****" who stops there is trying to get in their pants. Some have more skills than others and surely if I can get in, many others will have been there many times before me.

In the game?
Long term relationship?

These are usually pretty poor country cousins who come out in search for jobs, success etc etc. They are no different from girls you would meet anywhere else. Every girl is available - get out there and fight for your piece of action if that is your preference. Just remember, there is no such thing as a free lunch. You'd pay, one way or another!

Bill Lee
02-24-07, 20:42
No one can really give you the definitive answer on girls at the LHL bars. They all different and have different attitude about whether they want to get laid for pay or fun. Maybe someone here can point you to a specific girl that will play for fun or play for paid.

I saw one LHL bar girl (7+ in looks) next to the short time hotel that has a staircase going straight up without a door, going up that hotel with a customer and walking with a customer to the Guangdong Regency (GD) hotel direction. The latter trip was with a heavy set causasian. I guess she's play for pay girl. But don't assume they all are. If you have you heart set on one. Give her the direct hints early to see if you will accept your $$ for fun. Otherwise, you're wasting your time and money.

Regarding hotels, most hotel will charge you the rack rate if you walk in and book directly with them. I checked out a local travel agency behind the GD hotel and they were only able to save me 30RMB and wanted cash up front. I don't mind paying the extra 30RMB and putting the hotel on my credit card and getting the points I want. So you have to weight in what the saving can do for you. I go with elong.net or one of the better known online hotel booking if you're not familar with the area. You'll get better than rack rate and most likely be able to use your credit card.

Don't fame me for not faming TTMM in not RTFF.

Bill


What are the chances of getting on with one of the girls working at the bar on Lian Hua Lu? I'm talking about the girls working inside the bar, not the streetwalkers. Do they already have boyfriends? Anyone had any success with these girls? What do they look for, are they in the game or perhaps looking for long-term relationship?

Another question is regarding hotel booking. Should I book through a travel agency in HK, such as the China Travel Service, or hotel walk-in?

Many thanks in advance!

Weelock
02-24-07, 22:58
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Regarding hotels, most hotel will charge you the rack rate if you walk in and book directly with them. I checked out a local travel agency behind the GD hotel and they were only able to save me 30RMB and wanted cash up front. I don't mind paying the extra 30RMB and putting the hotel on my credit card and getting the points I want. So you have to weight in what the saving can do for you. I go with elong.net or one of the better known online hotel booking if you're not familar with the area. You'll get better than rack rate and most likely be able to use your credit card.

Don't fame me for not faming TTMM in not RTFF.

Bill

Hi Bill,

Sorry, I have to disagree with you. Usually, if there is no convention, holiday or tour group, most hotels in Southern China and especially for Zhuhai, will give a discount from the LISTED ( rack rate ) price for walk-ins. Sometimes you have to talk with a manager to get a discount. For example, telling the manager you are planning to stay for a few weeks or months and what can he/she do for you. Another way if you know someone.

For getting even a BETTER deal with a travel agent or website, I'm not sure. From what Mr Bill said, it is possible, if the hotel is big enough like a 4 or 5 star hotel. For smaller hotels (~150-250RMB range), I don't see much room to make a profit. The only exception would be in Hong Kong and Macau. For Hong Kong and Macau, going to a travel agent would be cheaper than walking-in. For example, In Macau I tried using my Holiday Inn Membership Card once for a discount and it did not help. The local travel agent was able to beat the price.

I was in Zhuhai last year for the first week of May. I found out all hotels even raised their rack rates during this week. The hotel I was staying in raised my rate to about $475RMB. It was about $250. During that week I saw all these tour group coming in and out and make a big seen. There were very rude.

The best way to get a big discount, is to open a business account. Can we start a business account in Zhuhai, Shenzhen and CP for ISG members?


Weelock

Bill Lee
02-24-07, 23:04
You expanded on the hotel situation. If one walks into a hotel and just book a room without asking for a discount, most likely you'll get hit with the rack rate unless the clerk on duty was nice enough to give you the discount.

Weelock's reference to Holiday Inn was true for me too. I was in Macau and the travel agent one block from the Holiday Inn gave me a better price than the walk in price I got from the same Holiday Inn.

Thanks for your input Weelock.

Bill
(Bill is never wrong, just not in full disclosure mode).



Hi Bill,

Sorry, I have to disagree with you. Usually, if there is no convention, holiday or tour group, most hotels in Southern China and especially for Zhuhai, will give a discount from the LISTED ( rack rate ) price for walk-ins. Sometimes you have to talked with a manager to get a discount. For example, telling the manager you are planning to stay for a few weeks or months and what can he/she do for you. Another way if you know someone.

For getting even a BETTER deal with a travel agent or website, I'm not sure. From what Mr Bill said, it is possible, if the hotel is big enough like a 4 or 5 star hotel. For smaller hotels (~150-250RMB range), I don't see much room to make a profit. The only exception would be in Hong Kong and Macau. For Hong Kong and Macau, going to a travel agent would be cheaper than walking-in. In Macau, I tried using my Holiday Inn membership card once for a discount and it did not help. The local travel agent was able to beat the price.

I was in Zhuhai last year for the first week of May. I found out all hotels even raised their rack rates during this week.

The best way to get a big discount, is to open a business account. Can we start a business account in Zhuhai, Shenzhen and CP for ISG members?


Weelock

Autumn Lover
02-25-07, 01:25
Although I read Chinese, I'm a westerner and so it's not that good. However, your sauna names appear to be:

1. Hai Wan
2. Du Jia Cun
3. Yi(?) Guo Wan
4. Jia Ri Jiu Dian

The fourth is the Chinese name for Holiday Inn, though I don't know if that is really true in this case.

Perhaps somebody whose Chinese is better than mine can help further?

AL

Superforce99
02-27-07, 07:07
Finally got a chance to go back to the BBS area I reported on earlier (OAH, you'd shed a tear if you could see the place...a nostalgic page taken from the GZ Ramada BBS School of Design). The best description I can give is that it is in the Xin Xiangzhou district of ZH and nearby a large Agricultural Bank, Hospital, and supermarket. I'll get the specific Chinese names of these places next time since I'm not sure at this point and don't want to spread bad info. I went with another ISG member who can choose to identify himself if he chooses to.

Selection wasn't as plentiful as before, but I was still happy with what was available. It was around 8pm and I stayed a bit longer (about 15-20 minutes) than last time looking over the goods and I really noticed how busy this place is with locals. I counted at least 5 cars/taxis cruising by, checking out the goods and 4 gals went with customers during that time. Again, the last shop on the street, the only one with a papasan instead of a mamasan, had the best girls. Not quite the "I want to fuck everyone of them" like last time, but they were still good.

I tried to negotiate a lower price for my fellow monger and all of a sudden, the papasan, who clearly remembered me, gave me the cold shoulder and was telling me I had to pay beforehand, pay 150 (instead of the local 130 price), and no change in his stance. Damn...I might have to go back to him and give him some cigarettes or some other BS to win his favor back. There was no way I was going to cave-in to his suddenly BS demands that night, so no gals from him.

Instead, I got a really young, innocent gal from one of the other shops. She had a cute, innocent look and gave me a nice smile as I looked over all the other gals. The mamasan was not pulling BS and gave the 130 RMB price + taxi fare back to the shop. I forgot her name already but she is from Jilin, about 5'5, 120 lbs, sweet 34B breasts with cute pink nipples, and a nice body-developing-into-a-hot body that many Chinese teenage gals have, so she was definately young. And by the lack of attention to her stank-ass feet, she must have been pretty young...I mean, DAMN, that foot odor was better than espresso to open my eyes. Maybe it's me, but I find older WGs don't have the stank-ass feet problem that younger gals do.

Anyway, her service was like being with a first girlfriend in high school, but not really in a good way. I warmed her up with conversation and touching and etc. in the taxi ride home but she was still very new and innocent to the whole thing. Apparently she has been in Zhuhai for 3 weeks and gets about 5 customers a week (she complained the other gals are too pretty for her to compete, ha...) She insisted on starting with separate showers and then we had an endearing experience that was part clumsy, part awkward, and many realistic responses to kissing/touching, etc. And she kept pushing me into her to begin fucking bareback which I resisted. Put on condom then finished with her hugging me tightly and breathing heaving into my ears which was nice.

Afterward, she wouldn't leave my apartment for another 15-20 minutes, exploring my stuff, eating some snack food, and generally chatting. I found out the price really is 130 RMB and the breakdown is 30 for the mamasan, 30 for a minder/keeper who manages her residence/food needs, and 70 RMB for her. She thought it wasn't a bad deal but wish she could find something else to do. She hinted at staying overnight and/or spending more time together, implying potential girlfriend/kept woman I guess, but I didn't address it and changed the topic. No, thanks, baby, you'd be nothing but trouble and you weren't even the type of fuck I'll remember by the end of the week...

Gave her 130 + 20 and brought her to a taxi. She was scarred because she wasn't sure how to get back to the shop but I gave general directions to the taxi driver and he seemed to understand.

Overall, it's a great deal and not far from where I live so you'll definitely see further reports from this place in the future.


J


PS. Yeah, the johnnykon camera fund got very generous donations during Chinese New Year and I am happy to attach photos to my reports. I do need to learn how to use the camera better, though, and the pics will get better. Still accepting donations, ofcourse, ha ha...

One Wing Low
02-27-07, 08:28
goes straight to the girls so he can suck their pussies....:)

Good work Johnny.


PS. Yeah, the johnnykon camera fund got very generous donations during Chinese New Year and I am happy to attach photos to my reports. I do need to learn how to use the camera better, though, and the pics will get better. Still accepting donations, ofcourse, ha ha...

Crazier
02-27-07, 11:57
JK.,

Just a public thanks for keeping me company there again.

Its always good to catch up with you in Zhuhai whenever I pass &, I do like stopping at least for a night even if I resist taking a SW immediately. The overall talent level was GOOD!

On that out of Gongbei New Place (Xin Xiangzhou) that we went together,
At 130 rmb those BBS are going to be a regular feature of my time in Zhuhai if & when I visit!

The last shop's selection had more than a score of 6.5 overall with the exception of a couple girls mostly due to their awful choice of clothes!

One Wing Low
03-03-07, 08:59
Pretty face, nice, loving, happy personality. Her body is nice, soft, unblemished. A very nice girl.

Dont know whether she's still in Zhuhai.

Johnny Kon mentioned she was sick of the SW life and was heading home. He has her number.

Superforce99
03-05-07, 15:10
Hey OWL,

Her name is Yan and she left Zhuhai already. One of my all-time favorites, a really nice gal.

She actually left ZH to become a mamasan with gals being sent to her from her own hometown. I think she was setting shop up either in Dongguan or in Fujian, she didn't decide yet. Ahhh...the cycle continues from one friend to the next, from one generation to the next...


J

Admin
03-06-07, 06:55
Greetings Everyone,

I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise worthless posts by Azn Playa, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.

This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.

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Jackson

One Wing Low
03-11-07, 08:30
Her friends from her home town were probably very impressed by her ability to make quick cash and to adop city lifestyles.

Yan was the only girl I met in China who wore makeups. The rest of the young girls did not wear any make up or fragrance of any kind. I like their fresh, innocent, natural beauty a great deal.

Try to steer her to set up shop in Dongguan or Zhuhai. My friends and I can provide her with a lot of fucking business.


Hey OWL,

Her name is Yan and she left Zhuhai already. One of my all-time favorites, a really nice gal.

She actually left ZH to become a mamasan with gals being sent to her from her own hometown. I think she was setting shop up either in Dongguan or in Fujian, she didn't decide yet. Ahhh...the cycle continues from one friend to the next, from one generation to the next...


J

Superforce99
03-13-07, 02:29
Not much new to report on, but to recap what's going on and what I've been going in recently:


-lots of new LHL gals, a new boatload must have arrived right before CNY

-the full-service saunas are still the best bargain for that type of thing in China

-the "Zhuhai Ramada BBS" area (named after the old GZ Ramada BBS area) is going strong and had about 30-35 gals yesterday. Quantity isn't that much but quality is pretty good for 130 RMB.


Search the thread for detailed info, if needed.


J

Tingtongmakmak
03-15-07, 16:17
As most of the reports I read on this forum consist of short time, I wonder if anyone could share some experience and guidance on spending the night with a single girl. I have the following questions:

1. If I'm by myself, where should I go to find a girl for overnight other than LHL?

2. How much do the KTVs and nightclubs cost, including drinks, room cost, and girl for overnight? I understand that some clubs and KTVs run a 3-tier system like 2-5-8. If I were to choose a girl to spend the night, would I be expected to pay 800 RMB + drinks? Do I still need to pay the room fee?

3. Which hotel would you recommend for staying, and how much do they charge on the weekend?

I've spent some time talking with the girls at the bars at LHL, but most of them are pretty jaded, and since I'm more into the girl-next-door type, I was a little bit put off by that. I do understand the nature of their work, but that's just my personal preference.

Many thanks in advance!

Chopsuey
03-16-07, 04:18
As most of the reports I read on this forum consist of short time, I wonder if anyone could share some experience and guidance on spending the night with a single girl. I have the following questions:

1. If I'm by myself, where should I go to find a girl for overnight other than LHL?

2. How much do the KTVs and nightclubs cost, including drinks, room cost, and girl for overnight? I understand that some clubs and KTVs run a 3-tier system like 2-5-8. If I were to choose a girl to spend the night, would I be expected to pay 800 RMB + drinks? Do I still need to pay the room fee?

3. Which hotel would you recommend for staying, and how much do they charge on the weekend?

I've spent some time talking with the girls at the bars at LHL, but most of them are pretty jaded, and since I'm more into the girl-next-door type, I was a little bit put off by that. I do understand the nature of their work, but that's just my personal preference.

Many thanks in advance!One of the best experiences I have had in China was with a very lovely young lady whom I originally met at a Sauna at a different hotel than we stayed at. She was my masseuse; I invited her to join me for dinner the next day with a banker friend of mine and his fiancée. She said yes, we had a great dinner and a wonderful evening with as they say a happy ending. My only regret is that she went back to her hometown.

As far as hotels, it's a matter of preference. I have stayed at the Harborview Resort as well as the International Conference Center Hotel across the street. No problems with either one in terms of having an overnight guest. I would not recommend the Holiday Resort Hotel and have not tried the Sauna that is not in their hotel but part of their complex.

I would recommend being discreet whichever Sauna you choose to visit, and be a gentleman about it. I would recommend the Sauna at the Harbor view, it will cost you about just under 900 RMB and tell the lady who asks you what type of massage you want that you would like a private room and lady with whom you can have more than just a nice experience with at the Sauna and would like to take her to dinner, etc. and whatever you choose to share with the lady is between you and the lady.

If you are anywhere near Zhuhai towards the end of next week, or later on in April, let me know perhaps we can meet up and go exploring. You can send me a private message, please be sure to include a private email so that we can communicate directly as opposed through the forum.

Bill Lee
03-16-07, 14:10
What you quoted Tingtongmakmak appears to be on the high end. If you read TTMM's questions, he's concern about pricing. I can't answer all his questions since I'm not the expert in ZH here (where's JK666 when you need him) but here my attempt:

1. If I'm by myself, where should I go to find a girl for overnight other than LHL?

Of course as Chopsuey had mentioned, you can try the saunas. But that's a hit or miss whether a working girl wants to go back to your hotel at the end of her shift. No guarantee there. There's the BBS that's been written here. More likely you can find an overnighter there. Use the top right corner of this thread and search within this thread for BBS.

2. How much do the KTVs and nightclubs cost, including drinks, room cost, and girl for overnight? I understand that some clubs and KTVs run a 3-tier system like 2-5-8. If I were to choose a girl to spend the night, would I be expected to pay 800 RMB + drinks? Do I still need to pay the room fee?

Different places, different prices, different discounts, different deals, Unless you have one KTV in mind and there's board member here who's done it there, you're out of luck except to do a search here under KTV. The 2-5-8 applies only to the girl not your KTV expenses such as room fee and tipping to the KTV staff. In all KTV, ask for their pricing and what you'll getting before committing yourself to a room.

3. Which hotel would you recommend for staying, and how much do they charge on the weekend?

Use elong.net for your hotel pricing search. You'll have a general idea. Recommendation depends on where you want to be and what you want to do. Close to LHL? Etc.... Try searching within this thread for hotel and read through them.

Anyway, I didn't say RTFF. But you should search the forum for additional answers.

Your questions are too general to be given any specific answers.

Good luck and have fun,
Bill


One of the best experiences I have had in China was with a very lovely young lady whom I originally met at a Sauna at a different hotel than we stayed at. She was my masseuse; I invited her to join me for dinner the next day with a banker friend of mine and his fiancée. She said yes, we had a great dinner and a wonderful evening with as they say a happy ending. My only regret is that she went back to her hometown.

As far as hotels, it's a matter of preference. I have stayed at the Harborview Resort as well as the International Conference Center Hotel across the street. No problems with either one in terms of having an overnight guest. I would not recommend the Holiday Resort Hotel and have not tried the Sauna that is not in their hotel but part of their complex.

I would recommend being discreet whichever Sauna you choose to visit, and be a gentleman about it. I would recommend the Sauna at the Harbor view, it will cost you about just under 900 RMB and tell the lady who asks you what type of massage you want that you would like a private room and lady with whom you can have more than just a nice experience with at the Sauna and would like to take her to dinner, etc. and whatever you choose to share with the lady is between you and the lady.

If you are anywhere near Zhuhai towards the end of next week, or later on in April, let me know perhaps we can meet up and go exploring. You can send me a private message, please be sure to include a private email so that we can communicate directly as opposed through the forum.

Eazy Guy
03-16-07, 15:10
dear bros out there,

I am going to Zhuhai with some friends from Hunan and we might going to Macau but some of them do not have passport so what could we do on that? Is there any travel agents in Zhuhai could provide those kind of permit for 1 trip? Thanks for anyone who helps on this issue and I will be writing reports about the trip if we could make it. Cheers~

eg

Bill Lee
03-16-07, 16:10
No passport or do you mean no visa?

You mean they forgot to bring their passport with them? Generally, no passport means no entry. U.S. citizens entering Macau are issued on-site visa.

Give alittle more detail about your friend's background. Different nationalities could mean different requirements.

Bill


dear bros out there,

I am going to Zhuhai with some friends from Hunan and we might going to Macau but some of them do not have passport so what could we do on that? Is there any travel agents in Zhuhai could provide those kind of permit for 1 trip? Thanks for anyone who helps on this issue and I will be writing reports about the trip if we could make it. Cheers~

eg

Tingtongmakmak
03-16-07, 17:07
What you quoted Tingtongmakmak appears to be on the high end. If you read TTMM's questions, he's concern about pricing. I can't answer all his questions since I'm not the expert in ZH here (where's JK666 when you need him) but here my attempt:

1. If I'm by myself, where should I go to find a girl for overnight other than LHL?

Of course as Chopsuey had mentioned, you can try the saunas. But that's a hit or miss whether a working girl wants to go back to your hotel at the end of her shift. No guarantee there. There's the BBS that's been written here. More likely you can find an overnighter there. Use the top right corner of this thread and search within this thread for BBS.

2. How much do the KTVs and nightclubs cost, including drinks, room cost, and girl for overnight? I understand that some clubs and KTVs run a 3-tier system like 2-5-8. If I were to choose a girl to spend the night, would I be expected to pay 800 RMB + drinks? Do I still need to pay the room fee?

Different places, different prices, different discounts, different deals, Unless you have one KTV in mind and there's board member here who's done it there, you're out of luck except to do a search here under KTV. The 2-5-8 applies only to the girl not your KTV expenses such as room fee and tipping to the KTV staff. In all KTV, ask for their pricing and what you'll getting before committing yourself to a room.

3. Which hotel would you recommend for staying, and how much do they charge on the weekend?

Use elong.net for your hotel pricing search. You'll have a general idea. Recommendation depends on where you want to be and what you want to do. Close to LHL? Etc.... Try searching within this thread for hotel and read through them.

Anyway, I didn't say RTFF. But you should search the forum for additional answers.

Your questions are too general to be given any specific answers.

Good luck and have fun,

BillThanks for the answers Bill Lee & Chopsuey! I realized that my questions are a bit general, but since I've never been to any of the saunas and ktvs, therefore I couldn't specific which one to ask. If I have to make a choice, I would prefer going to either a nightclub or KTV, because it's more of my style, where I can get to know a girl before committing to further action. Personally, finding a gril from LHL or BBS seem to me like picking pork chop from a butcher shop.

However, since I'm going by myself, and I understand that it might not be very conventional to go to a nightclub by yourself and so I'm hesitate to venture, especially I do not know the pricing structure at such establishment, which is also one of my main concern. In any case, I've seen nightclub at almost every hotels, and there is one standalone nightclub I saw on the left when I took a taxi from the pier towards LHL. how much would one expect to spend at either a KTV or nightclub?

Bill Lee
03-16-07, 18:47
That specific question is not for me to answer. I haven't done KTV over 3 years and the one you described is not one I have noticed. But back then and in Guangzhou, KTV rooms were any from 1000RMB to 1500RMB, with a dozen or two free beer. Again, depends on the KTV's class standard. There's higher priced ones and cheaper ones too.

3 years. I have to correct myself, I did a cheppie one in GZ in Jan. 2007 and we went to a local KTV. The girl was 200RMB in a quickie warehouse room located across the street from the cheepie ktv. The room was maybe 300RMB. That was a quickie, cheppie KTV/nightclub.

Search the whole China forum for KTV and you'll find the average price throughout China for a KTV room. But search the ZH board too.

Bill


Thanks for the answers Bill Lee & Chopsuey! I realized that my questions are a bit general, but since I've never been to any of the saunas and ktvs, therefore I couldn't specific which one to ask. If I have to make a choice, I would prefer going to either a nightclub or KTV, because it's more of my style, where I can get to know a girl before committing to further action. Personally, finding a gril from LHL or BBS seem to me like picking pork chop from a butcher shop.

However, since I'm going by myself, and I understand that it might not be very conventional to go to a nightclub by yourself and so I'm hesitate to venture, especially I do not know the pricing structure at such establishment, which is also one of my main concern. In any case, I've seen nightclub at almost every hotels, and there is one standalone nightclub I saw on the left when I took a taxi from the pier towards LHL. how much would one expect to spend at either a KTV or nightclub?

Weelock
03-16-07, 22:37
dear bros out there,

I am going to Zhuhai with some friends from Hunan and we might going to Macau but some of them do not have passport so what could we do on that? Is there any travel agents in Zhuhai could provide those kind of permit for 1 trip? Thanks for anyone who helps on this issue and I will be writing reports about the trip if we could make it. Cheers~

eg

Can I ask, what country are you and your friends from? If you are NON-Chinese citizens, how did you guys get into China without a passport? If your friends are Chinese citizens, suggest going to a local travel agent in Hunan Province. You might need a visa for Macau depending on what country you are from. For USA, there is NO visa requirements but I think you can stay for only 30 days. Note, if you are from the USA, you need another visa entry if you are going back into China once in Macau.


dear fellows members,

I just got back from HK and Macau, will post a report about the trip later.

AG,

Just got your mail, will reply to you in a proper way.

Cheers,
eg


Edit: From an earlier post from you dating 02-10-07, 16:39, it seems like you been to Macau and even to HK before. You should already know about the passport routine. Then what happened to this report you were going to write about?

Fast Eddie 48
03-17-07, 02:43
dear bros out there,

I am going to Zhuhai with some friends from Hunan and we might going to Macau but some of them do not have passport so what could we do on that? Is there any travel agents in Zhuhai could provide those kind of permit for 1 trip? Thanks for anyone who helps on this issue and I will be writing reports about the trip if we could make it. Cheers~

eg



to easy guy

Your friend are chinese citizen need to apply for paper to enrty zhu hai is a
SEZ but for entries to macau or hong kong are SAR they need to apply for
visit visa from chinese goverment not sure that apply to hunan not all province is allow is not that easy .



fast eddie 48

Eazy Guy
03-17-07, 06:35
Thanks to those who has replied my post.

Well, I am from SEA so there is no problem for me to enter HK or Macau. The problem now is 2 of my friends who are citizen of China and they do not have the permit to enter to the SAR, so I am curious is there any travel agencies who could provide one time permit.

Well, I had been to HK and Macau twice for the past 6 months, I would like to vote for Homoon Sauna just next to Wynn Casino. The selections and the foods are good, there is a small stage for those girls dancing at the pool side.

eg

Weelock
03-18-07, 07:26
Eazy Guy,

Can you post a report on Homoon Sauna and place it in the Macau thread. I like to know about the cost and what type of ethic girls are there. Homoon doesn't seem like a sauna been reported on. I just did a search and can't find it.

I think your best bet is at Hunan travel agency and try joining a tour group.



Thanks....

Eazy Guy
03-18-07, 13:30
weelock,

its my pleassure to write the report, it will be just after I am back to shanghai. sorry for keep you waiting.

eg

Superforce99
03-19-07, 18:06
I've been somewhat busy lately and not much new to report though I'm fucking all the usual stuff I report about. Since I have been to DMY about 5 times in the past month and a half or so with similar experiences, I thought I would share some DMY-specific info.

-One thing I've noticed is DO NOT go anytime after 10:30pm or so. I ended up going 3 times during the 10:30pm - 11:00pm period and the selection is pretty bad. It's actually bad enough that I should take a pic just to illustrate the mutants, scags, and over the hill "females" that get dragged out. It's like a police lineup of women who were attacked by Mr. God and beaten with the ugly stick. A few of them severely beaten...

-In those 3 times I mentioned above, I ended up choosing, unintentionally, "new" gals who had only recently started working. They all had the innocent, I-would-be-comfortable-pulling-carrots-out-of-the-ground-as-I-would-sucking-your-cock look.

The first time this happened, it was OK, but I basically had to do all the work and her service was mediocre but a good time was had by all. If you like an innocent, inexperienced feel with your sauna gal with relatively realistic sexual reactions, you'd probably dig this. The second time this happened, I knew I would have to do most of the work again, so I made it a personal mission to make her come as many times as I could (ended up 4). Third time, I was not too amused and let her do her mediocre service then I decided to write this to help guys welcome/avoid this experience. Here are some telltale signs of "newbie" workers at DMY:

***black dresses (2 of the 3 newbies wore black dresses instead of the white or red dresses, but this still doesn't guarantee her newness)
***no number on her chest (3 of 3 on this detail)
***they look a bit shy yet happy (3 of 3 on this detail but my personal opinion)

***and always ask the captain if she is new, those of you who speak basic Chinese should know how, but those that don't, here's the most basic way to ask of the gal is new: "xin lai, ma?" (and point to the gal)

Anyway, their reactions to slow, gentle sex are very much more real than the average sauna gal, and some guys like that. But for me personally, I usually want to get fucked by the gal as much as I am fucking her, and newbie sauna gals usually don't deliver on that aspect, although 1 of the newbies did get pretty wild and into the sex. The other two recent DMY experiences were at about 8pm and 12:30am, both of which had pretty good selections, with 8pm better than past midnight and exceptionally better than the 10:30pm - 11pm period.

Just like I got tired of Xiang Jiang, I guess it's time to retire DMY for a while (or go there at better times). But for convienence and value, DMY is still a hard bargain to beat.


J

Superforce99
03-20-07, 04:37
For those who have had gone to the New Chang An Hotel (about 5 minutes down the street from DMY and not the two Chang An hotels near LHL), I wanted to ask a general question:

Their 138 RMB, 90-minute wash and oil massage is pretty nice and one of the most relaxing, sensual services I've had in Zhuhai. In general, the gals don't dress overly sexy (sometimes sweats or semi-tight clothes but everything has an informal look) and I don't get the feeling that extra services are standard. I've had this wash/oil service a couple of times now, and about 25% of the time I have gotten a HJ finish without asking (no tip asked), about 25% I have gotten a HJ finish after requesting one (and they expected a tip), and 50% of the time I have gotten no HJ with or without asking for it and gotten denials that this service is available from the gals.

If anyone is more familiar with this place, let me know. Anyway, with or without the HJ finish, it's a nice, sensual-more-than-sexual experience I would recommend y'all try.


J

Dar425
03-20-07, 08:28
I'm usually travel alone to China and Zhuhai, so here are my recommendations regarding Zhuhai and being a single party, and if you are not interested in LHL girls. (personally, I think LHL girls are the BEST).

1) Nightclubs/Discos. These are the main kind you will find:

A) Hotel bar/disco. Go to the disco or bar in any western or chinese hotel. If it's a western-hotel, there might be some freelancers hanging out here, but there will be some pro's. Usually they ask a higher rate (800 RMB) because they know western hotels are expensive and people staying there have money. Note that some chinese hotels -- the bar area can sometimes be a general nightclub with KTV rooms and will have some KTV girls, but then you are paying KTV rates (600 for room + 500 for the girl for all night).

B) Western-style disco/bar. This would be places like "Yesterday" disco and Jiu Ba Jie (aka "Cohiba", or "Red Bar"). I have not been to "Blue Tone" bar as it is a few miles north of the Cohiba area. Yesterday disco will be full of chinese and very few/none westerners... this bar is basically a western-style disco but I rarely see expat/westerners in it. The Cohiba bar street area will have more westerners/ex-pats. Sometimes you can pick up freelancers in either place for 500 RMB/night, but sometimes you can sweet-talk a freebie.

C) Chinese disco. There is one of these on LHL very near to the "Angus" restaurant. Yo Yo Yo DJ !!!!. These are dance-beat, electronica, DJ-mixing music clubs. Here you can find freebies, or pros, or freelancers. They are usually very crowded. Rates are like 1B, but usually the drinks/beer is a little cheaper (but not always).


2) Hotel Sauna service.

A) Most hotels have a floor (or two) dedicated to sauna-services. Rate is about 250 - 800 for 1 hour, depending if you are in a 3-star vs 5-star hotel.

B) Many/most hotels also offer in-room service. Look in the hotel guide-book for 'in-room massage'. They send a girl to your room, so can play privately in your room. You can turn the girl away if you don't like her and they'll send another girl knocking on your door. Rate is usually about 300-500 RMB for 1 hour massage. The girl might offer handjob or make-love service if she likes you for about 250-400 RMB more. Sometimes you can get these girls phone number and they will meet with you when they are not working. If you are lucky, you might find a girl who works the massages in daytime who has some free time to spend with you in the night (like a dating time).


In general KTV is kind of expensive for just 1 person.



Dar

One Wing Low
03-20-07, 19:10
I'm usually travel alone to China and Zhuhai, so here are my recommendations regarding Zhuhai and being a single party, and if you are not interested in LHL girls. (personally, I think LHL girls are the BEST).
Dar

Yeah. The LHL girls are nice and fresh, sometimes very pretty. They are more real than the dolls in the highly structured and tightly managed saunas.

The BBS girls seem to be fresh from the country and not as good looking. They seem to hide in the BBS rather than cruising LHL.

The LHL girls seem to be freeer and more fun to interact with.



A) Hotel bar/disco. Go to the disco or bar in any western or chinese hotel. If it's a western-hotel, there might be some freelancers hanging out here, but there will be some pro's. Usually they ask a higher rate (800 RMB) because they know western hotels are expensive and people staying there have money. Note that some chinese hotels -- the bar area can sometimes be a general nightclub with KTV rooms and will have some KTV girls, but then you are paying KTV rates (600 for room + 500 for the girl for all night).

Dar

Is it possible go to KTV for line up and take the girls out, bypassing the singing and the expenses?

Please give some names of ZH hotels with KTV's. Will check them out this week.

YoungBoss
03-21-07, 11:24
I went to Da ming yuan over the weekend in the afternoon. Business seems be less busy than before, so no waiting was needed. I picked #20. Oh boy, she was young, skinny and pretty-a rare find in DMY. Although she was not particularly tight and affectionate, she was worth it as she has got a bit of movie star look. For 238RMb I didn't have any regret. So DMY is coming back to my visit list next time.

Tingtongmakmak
03-21-07, 14:18
I'm usually travel alone to China and Zhuhai, so here are my recommendations regarding Zhuhai and being a single party, and if you are not interested in LHL girls. (personally, I think LHL girls are the BEST).

1) Nightclubs/Discos. These are the main kind you will find:

A) Hotel bar/disco. Go to the disco or bar in any western or chinese hotel. If it's a western-hotel, there might be some freelancers hanging out here, but there will be some pro's. Usually they ask a higher rate (800 RMB) because they know western hotels are expensive and people staying there have money. Note that some chinese hotels -- the bar area can sometimes be a general nightclub with KTV rooms and will have some KTV girls, but then you are paying KTV rates (600 for room + 500 for the girl for all night).

B) Western-style disco/bar. This would be places like "Yesterday" disco and Jiu Ba Jie (aka "Cohiba", or "Red Bar"). I have not been to "Blue Tone" bar as it is a few miles north of the Cohiba area. Yesterday disco will be full of chinese and very few/none westerners... this bar is basically a western-style disco but I rarely see expat/westerners in it. The Cohiba bar street area will have more westerners/ex-pats. Sometimes you can pick up freelancers in either place for 500 RMB/night, but sometimes you can sweet-talk a freebie.

C) Chinese disco. There is one of these on LHL very near to the "Angus" restaurant. Yo Yo Yo DJ !!!!. These are dance-beat, electronica, DJ-mixing music clubs. Here you can find freebies, or pros, or freelancers. They are usually very crowded. Rates are like 1B, but usually the drinks/beer is a little cheaper (but not always).Thanks for the detail insight. Quite informative!

I've actually been to Red Bar few times and had the opportunity to checkout the scene. I've seen quite a few girls to my liking, unfortunately I find the music there way too loud for small talk and the atmosphere a bit too crowded. Guess I'm not the disco type. Maybe I'll put some more effort next time I visit and checkout one more time.

The impression I got from the girls on LHL seem to be heavily controlled by their pimps. I've read some stories that the pimp would call the girl telling her when the time is up with a guy because she is on the clock so to speak. Seems a bit rush to me. Neither do I want to deal with the issue of payment back in the hotel room should the girl change her mind on what was agreed a priori.

Aside the KTVs, I'm also keen on the varies nightclubs in Zhuhai. Has anyone been to any of the nightclubs, such as the one inside GDH hotel or other 4, 5 star hotels? I've heard that some of the larger clubs have a sitting area where you could pick a girl from a lineup without having to rent a room. Anyone has experience with these clubs?

Superforce99
03-30-07, 04:43
Well, a couple posts back, I posted a question about the New Changan Hotel's oily massage and whether it should include a HJ finish. I have no doubt in my mind that is should. Recently, I've started to frequent a massage place in Gongbei that is pretty popular with Macanese weekenders. I've gotten to know a few of the masseuses and they explained to me that for 138 RMB, it's almost impossible that there isn't a HJ finish. The price for a 1-hour oily massage at this new place? 30 RMB....yes, 30 RMB. Even when I mentioned New Changan Hotel, my masseuse friends raised an incredulous eye and asked me did I expect a serious massage there, ha ha...

Also, as expected, my masseuse friends revealed that tipping or confirming a tip BEFORE the massage begins will ensure you a much better massage. Ah, quid pro quo is alive and well, even in the Chinese massage parlors...


J

One Wing Low
03-30-07, 12:16
Arrived in Zhuhai at about 3PM, checked into the Guangdong Regency. The same room, this time thy charge 480Y.

Went out to Lien Hua Lu drinking a few beers at the street stall. There were many young SW but they are not approaching us like before. Went around the alleys, many BBS but all well below average. Mamasans are everywhere beckoning.

Went around, had a few sticks of fried chicken. On the way back to GD Regency, ran into whom but the sweetest bin Bin, out cruising with 3 friends. She's the girl that approached us last time on Lien Hua Lu, whom the guys suggested that I should take or I may never see her again. She has an incredibly sweet face and the smoothest skin. Her boobs are round and erect.

Took her back to the hotel. Everyone was gawking at this pretty girl. After going through the gaunlet, went upstairs only to be not sure what floor and what room I should be in. Had to take a trip back to the front desk asking for the room number. It was the case of her beauty totally captivated my brain. I was hoping that I may find this sweet face again in Zhuhai, a very long shot, but it happened.

She was very playful. We had a long and meaningful conversation which 95% of the content was lost. She was treating me like an old friend. We took a long shower together. She washed me thoroughly and we had a long and hard session when she made all the right noise and precious expressions on her pretty face. There were 2 large wet spots on the sheet so she was not really faking.

Showed her to my difficult friend. He agreed that this girl looks even better than his tall, skinny super model in Houjie. We decided to invite her to dinner tonight. She agreed and gave me her mobile number. She would not let me take pictures of her incredibly sweet and innocent face. What a waste.

Conclusion: Zhuhai may well top Houjie in beauty, class, fun, closeness and economy.

European
03-31-07, 17:35
I am new in Zhuahi and looking for a good massage place or BBS in Gongbei.

Thanks for your hints.

Weelock
03-31-07, 19:58
I am new in Zhuahi and looking for a good massage place or BBS in Gongbei.

Thanks for your hints.

Dude, you have been a member since July 2003 you should already know about RTFF. Your question is just too general. Just reading the last few pages posted recently are a few massage and BBS places. You just have to pick one you like. After reading, then you can be more specific on your questions. You can also use the search engine. Sorry to flame you.

One Wing Low
04-01-07, 00:29
There are a lot of police patrol in SUV's in early evening. The SW are just not out cruising like before.

Walked around the underground shopping mall. Went to a foot massage with my friend, Johnny Kon, and night cat. Came back to Lian Hua Lu at about 3 AM. Swarms of girls appeared from the dark shadows, accosting us. Picked up a pretty girl. She said there are police patrol next block so must take a pedicab. Went back to hotel and had an OK session.

This girl is pretty but tough and demanding. She wanted to go back out to the streets to make more money. She's nowhere as nice and sweet as Bin Bin.

Went to Dai Minh Yuan massage the next morning. It's in Hotel Dai Minh Yuan next to the Technology University in downtown. They have the 190Y special during the day. The room is small and old. Picked out a girl, about 30 average in looks. She gave me a cursory massages, then proceeded with BBBJ with hot, cold and spicy water...Then we fucked. Nothing memorable, just a cheap fuck.

Went to Macau in the afternoon. The shopping mall on ground floor in Lisboa casino had about 2 dozen girls, some the best-looking in Asia, super model type, going around and around the mall looking for johns. They all want 800Y.

European
04-01-07, 05:49
Weelock

Explain me the adress of DMY and new Changan Hotel.

I now where "Gongbei kou an" is.

As well the place Jonny mentioned sound interesting.

" I've started to frequent a massage place in Gongbei that is pretty popular with Macanese weekenders...'

Superforce99
04-01-07, 07:10
In case those of you out there didn't get the idea from OWL's post, there is indeed a pretty heavy crackdown at the moment. (yes, I blame you and your "crackdown black cloud" following you around, Blackcat!)

But fortunately, it's a typical "Zhuhai style" crackdown which means earlier in the day, from 12 noon to about 5pm or so, there are a handful of LHL gals mulling about, then during primetime (7pm - 12 midnight) there are barely 5-6 gals who brave the constant police patrols up and down LHL. But then sometime after 2am or so, the streets become crowded with several dozen LHL who are their normally agressive selves. Overall, if you were in Zhuhai even as recently as 1 year ago, it's become a pale imitation of it's former self. There are girls available, ofcourse, but not the cornicopia of choice like before.

It's almost like mongers are being pushed towards saunas if they want P4P, which doesn't make much difference since the mafia gets a major piece of the action for both SWs and the majority of sauna workers. I suppose it makes business revenue more steady since saunas rarely, if ever, get raided in ZH whereas SWs are trying to avoid overnight police detainment (and the 500 RMB fine) on a daily basis.

Stay safe and enjoy.


J

Weelock
04-01-07, 07:23
Weelock

Explain me the adress of DMY and new Changan Hotel.

I now where "Gongbei kou an" is.

As well the place Jonny mentioned sound interesting.

" I've started to frequent a massage place in Gongbei that is pretty popular with Macanese weekenders...'

I am not an expert in China. In fact I'm not currently in China. I only travel to China about once a year if I'm lucky but this is what I got from doing a search. I see you have picked two places, DMY and New Changan.

The DMY is not in the Gongbei Area. You have to take a taxi or bus which takes about 10-15 minutes from the border or Gongbei Area.

For New Changan Sauna or Hotel is right on LHL, a little past the green umbrellas. It's about 1/2 block from the green umbrellas cafe facing north. The sauna is on the 3rd floor. The hotel is a cross the street from Yue Hai Hotel. If you go past the Gunagdong Regency Hotel, you past New Changan. I got this information just by doing a search for you.

Superforce99
04-01-07, 07:41
I am not a expert in China. In fact I not currently in China. I only travel to China about once a year if I'm lucky but this is what I got from doing a search.

The DMY is not in the Gongbie area.

For New Changan Sauna or Hotel The Chang An Good World Hotel is right on LHL, a little past the green umbrellas. It's about 1/3 block from the green umbrellas cafe facing north. The sauna is on the 3rd floor. It's a cross the street from Yue Hai Hotel. If you go past the Goundong Regency, you past the New Changan. I got this information just by doing a search.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=551248&postcount=923


You're an...uh, interesting guy, Weelock. You tell European to RTFF, then apologize for flaming him, and then end up do a forum search to answer his question with information you aren't positive is correct....ha ha...

Anyway, DMY is indeed in Gongbei, about 5 minutes by taxi from the Yue Hai Hotel/Sauna (yes, they have a sauna, too, but overpriced) and 2 minutes from the Xiang Jian Hotel/Sauna.

Easiest way is to tell the taxi driver "DA MING YUAN" and even if your accent is bad, all taxi drivers know where you are talking about. If they still don't understand for some reason, say "DA MING YUAN SAUNA" and there is no way any taxi driver will be confused.


J

Santa
04-01-07, 08:10
It's almost like mongers are being pushed towards saunas if they want P4P,

Stay safe and enjoy.


J

It always angered me to see the police harassing the girls on LHL. Why don't they just leave them the fuck alone? These girls are only trying to earn an honest shilling, and they are the victims of pimps and LE gangs stealing a percentage of their wages.

I naively thought the girls were freelancers, but Johnny pointed out the many pimps carefully watching the girls. Each girl is controlled by a pimp. Look for the single guys hanging outside the shops by the umbrellas, occasionally checking their cellphones.

I have often wondered if the sauna and ktv owners encourage the cops to harass the streetgirls and barbershops, so as to reduce or eliminate the cheaper competition.

What do you guys think?

Weelock
04-01-07, 08:11
And hear's Johnny.....

I didn't finish my posting and editing but thanks for the correction on DMY. I have never been there but I know it's not advised ( suggested ) to walk from LHL to DMY, too far away.

My point is for European. It seems to me he is a lazy member. He has been a member for 4 years already and can't do a search and can't read just a few pages of post. It was only after I suggest to him to to read the form first, he then found two he was interested in. I was just trying to be helpful and polite in my other 2 post to European. Just read his first post about finding saunas and BBS is like a newbie question.

For LE, what I have read and observed, LHL always had cracked downs. It has never stopped. It seems like everyone that stays there at least a few days, seen some kind of LE around patrolling.

I can confirm about the 500RMB. Another girl told me she had to pay a fine (500RMB) to get out of jail.

Reader123
04-01-07, 09:21
Anyone hear from other girls that the cops get some action too? I've heard from a girl that it happens and I'm not surprised.


I can confirm about the 500RMB. Another girl told me she had to pay a fine (500RMB) to get out of jail.

Superforce99
04-01-07, 11:01
Anyone hear from other girls that the cops get some action too? I've heard from a girl that it happens and I'm not surprised.


From the several dozen LHL gals I've talked to about this subject, they told me that it's (surprisingly) rare for cops to get some free pussy as part of the arrest. Who would have thunk it??

In general, the cops don't do anything except round up the girls and then detain them for 24 hours or the girl/pimp/mamasan pays a 500 RMB fine, whichever comes first. You can see it's a delicate balancing process, ha ha...a good looking LHL gal would definately get sprung out of jail ASAP since she could probably earn 500 RMB in 1-2 hours. And the girls get the 500 RMB taken out of their own earnings, ofcourse. And usually a beating from the mamasan/pimp for getting caught by the police, too.

Also, the cops that patrol LHL are different than the normal Zhuhai cops. I didn't quite understand the details as the girls were explaining it to me, but the local beat cops are on the pimp's payroll so they don't bother the gals, but the vice cops are part of the provincial system or something like that and are not entirely under the pimps' influence, though the vice patrol aren't totally corruption-free either.

And Santa, your description,

"These girls are only trying to earn an honest shilling, and they are the victims of pimps and LE gangs stealing a percentage of their wages."

is an interesting view. I doubt that even a single one of these LHL gals would tell their parents or relatives about how they earn "honest shillings" in Zhuhai, ha ha...


J

European
04-01-07, 15:48
Hi Weelock

Normaly I try to deliver usefull information to the forum. Have a look at
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=127766&postcount=1189

Somitimes if you come to a new city in China it is not easy to get the orientation quick. Maybe next time you pick a business card from some good places and attach it to your message. This can be very helpfull for newcomer in a city in China.

Hi Jonny thanks for your hint.

Bill Lee
04-01-07, 18:32
I believe the red card is from the Da Ming Yuan hotel and the green card was given to me by the sauna.

You should take the staircase around the corner from the lobby elevator and next to the small candy shop. Gives you an opportunity to see the some girls on the upper floors along the way up. The sauna on the 10th floor.


Nah. Just fucking with you, I think it was below the 5th floor but I'm not sure. But it's worth exploring on the way up there.

If the quality of the biz card images are not good enough, PM me with your e-mail and I shoot over a better scan.

Look, Google search result for Changan zhuhai : http://www.zhcahotel.com/english/index.asp

Bill


Weelock

Explain me the adress of DMY and new Changan Hotel.

I now where "Gongbei kou an" is.

As well the place Jonny mentioned sound interesting.

" I've started to frequent a massage place in Gongbei that is pretty popular with Macanese weekenders...'

Iceman2812
04-01-07, 20:32
Hiya all,

Let me introduce myself. I'm a BBC from the UK. I can speak the lang,( Good Cantonese, but limited Manderin)

I'm not new to this at all.

But this is my first post. After reading all your comments,i thought i'll write one myself.

I've long been a fan of SW on LHL. I've had a few myself.

But the best adventure i've had are getting freebies.

I'll be in Zhuhai around the end of May, Early June. So if any of you are free, let me know. You can show me around the best parts.

But I'll love to meet up with u johny666

From the iceman

Iceman2812
04-01-07, 20:40
Hi all,

I'm testing this post to see if it works.

Any one want to meet me in Zhuhai in early June?

Iceman

Tonedog
04-01-07, 22:06
Hey guys.

Been reading a little bit more of the Zhuhai threads as I might be heading over to Macao in May. And very likely head over the border to Zhuhai. Can someone who has been around Zhuhai a little bit tell me what and where LHL is. Tried to do a search on it, but it's just loose references to the place without substantial info.

Thanx guys.

Tonedog

Dar425
04-02-07, 08:36
tonedog, there have been serveral maps of zhuhai posted on here which have the macau and gongbei/zhuhai border marked on it. i assume you can not open attachments (maps, jpgs, etc) because you are a regular member.

this is a good reason to contribute by posting about your experiences on isg, and/or paying for a membership so you can peek at photos of girls, peek at maps, and have an email box on here.

i'll be nice and post the information this time, but i hope you will either contribute to the board or pay for a membership.

when you cross macau -> zhuhai, you will be going north across the macau/gongbei port. as you enter, you'll find yourself in a large underground shopping mall. follow the signs to gongbei. you will exit this underground shopping mall and come out in zhuhai (gongbei district) at the south-most end of yingbin nan lu. yingbin nan lu is a large divided highway that goes north/south.

you will be either on the east or west side of yingbin nan lu, depending on which of the escalators you came upward on. you want to be on the east side of yingbin nan lu (if you are standing with your back facing the underground shopping mall, and looking north, then yingbin nan lu should be on your left side).

walk north about 5 minutes until you come to qiaoguang lu (i think you will see a mcdonald's and kfc at this intersection). turn right and follow qiaoguang lu (going east) for about 3 minutes. you should now be at the crossing road with lianhua lu, and should find many green/red umbrellas, 10 rmb tsing tao beer, and many beatiful girls walking the streets. take a seat at 1 of the umbrellas and watch the action/girls.


dar

Santa
04-02-07, 16:47
This place has very nice and clean rooms. I checked out a lot of hotels and in Zhuhai a this hotel is a bargain.

Gang Du Jiudian. Telephone 0756-8867688 or 13005794887

It's tucked down a side alley next to Lian Hua Lu, near the girly action.

I managed to get the price down to 130rmb. Try not to ruin that for me.

Politely tell them "my friend told me, 130rmb". "Wode pengyou jiao wo, yi bai san shi kuai".

If you are coming into town at night, remember that you can go to sauna and rent a girl and a room, and then keep the room overnight for free. But this only happens if you go to the sauna late, like at midnight.

One Wing Low
04-02-07, 17:03
There were 4 girls, all above average in looks, sitting at the coffee shop inside the Guangdong Regency hotel, giving the eyes to all. They were sitting right next to Night Cat, in the afternoon we were meeting. But all Night Cat was thinking about was Jia Jia at the Hui Hua KTV.

There were girls sitting on the curb at the entrance to the GD Regency at night.

Early in the morning, there were half a dozen cops on motorcycles and a big paddy wagon parked right outside LHL. The cops also drive into LHL in their big SUV's. I ran into Bin Bin cruising with 3 of her friends like any sweet, innocent girls out shopping. I pointed towards the hotel with a lot of smiles and nodding and she immediately went with me, hands in hands.

It seems that they are afraid of accosting the johns, but if you take the initiatives, it's OK. Looks like they are being arrested for soliciting.

Early in the morning, a few of the Chinese guys came back to the hotel with young, pretty girls. It looks like they went to the BBS in the alley and found these girls. I also went around the BBS but found the girls mostly below average.

There are plenty mamasans along LHL passing out business cards, ready to take you to see the girls. This may be the easy way to find the girls you like.

One Wing Low
04-02-07, 17:14
Johnny pointed this one out, a nice, clean mid-range hotel in the middle of LHL. I asked and they told me 219Y:

Min An hotel Gongbei . Tel 813 1168. I think one digit is missing in this number. Should be 86 21 ? 813 1168. Email MINAN168@163.COM.

The Guangdong Regency Hotel reservation 86 21 6517 2115. Rate is about 480Y.

The Changan hotel across LHL from the GD Regency has the best girls in their sauna for 368Y.

Tonedog
04-02-07, 23:39
Hey thanx so much for your prompt and very informative explaination and directions. Much appreciated.

As for posting. I'd love to share some stories with y'all, but right now I'm holed up back home in Canada (for the last 2 years), so there hasn't been any "experience" from Asia--as a matter of fact, there hasn't been any "experience" at all for the past few yrs. I know, it's friggin' depressing. But there's a good chance I'll get some time off in May and I'm sure hoping I will get to China then.

And if I get to relocate/live in Asia again in the near future, I will sign up to be a member, as I will actually be able to "use" the info that I read. But until then. I will just live vicariously thru you expats over there doing the "deed". He he he

Cheers, and thanx again.

Bill Lee
04-03-07, 02:11
you lazy animal....

the end (or the beginning) of lhl (aka lotus road) can be found at the border crossing side of china. as you enter china from macau, onto the street level, look toward the right side, in the direction of the 30+ floor building with the clocks on the top floor below the pyramid rooftop. but do not head to this building. if you do, you have passed lhl.

as you walk in that direction, you will see the friendship hotel almost in the middle of the first block next to the commercial bank of china.

at the far corner is the maxim's bakery store. that my friend is the beginning or end of lhl. at the bus stop side of this corner is a round street sign for lotus road.there still might be a large red wynn billboard sign above the bakery.

you start walking into this street, passing about two blocks, when the streets starts to curve to the left and you see a small macdonald on the left, is where the action starts. a great lookout place to sit and enjoy the sight beside the umbrella stands is a noodle shop that is on the second floor on the left hand side, just before the umbrella stands and across from a entry into a alley that has an accordion/scissor shape gate. grab yourself window seat and enjoy the girls chasing the mongers or getting chased by the le.

if you walk pass the umbrella stands and on your right on the corner is giordano, the clothing store. the far end of that block and still on lhl is the gd regency hotel. between this hotel and the small macdonald are several cheap hotels. there is some sw between giordano and gd regency but you'll find 80% of the girl near the umbrella stands.

regarding the changan hotel in lhl. there are two of them that i am familiar with. one is located at the end of the umbrella stands corner where giordano meets. the outside sign reads, changan hotel (duh). the other is located about a 1 minute walk across the street from gd regency on lhl. if you rent a room in the changan hotel near the gd regency, you have to go to the other changan hotel for your free breakfast. that was in dec., 2006. btw, the internet speed in changan was terrible compared to the gd regency.

bill
btw, all these landmarks are based on a dec. 2006 trip. things change in china too fast sometimes.

lookie here, a map too.



hey guys.

been reading a little bit more of the zhuhai threads as i might be heading over to macao in may. and very likely head over the border to zhuhai. can someone who has been around zhuhai a little bit tell me what and where lhl is. tried to do a search on it, but it's just loose references to the place without substantial info.

thanx guys.

tonedog

Bill Lee
04-03-07, 02:20
I tried your line with hotel receptionist but she wanted 500RMB. I don't understand. What went wrong?

Bill



Politely tell them "my friend told me, 130rmb". "Wode pengyou jiao wo, yi bai san shi kuai ni gao pigu".

Dar425
04-03-07, 06:54
Santa, OWL,


Many of us know there are cheaper hotels near to LHL, but, if you are going to post the price then please include information about:
- in-room Air-Conditioning
- Size of the Bed (standard, Queen/double, King)
- Internet access in the room (wired/wireless)?
- Safe to keep our money safe?

I do not speak for all ISG members, but these are things I look for. I know GuangDong Regencny/YueHai is more money, but it has Internet in my room and this is VERY valuable for me and my business. Most hotels on LHL do not have Internet in the rooms....

If you want to post about best bargain, then post about the services offered in the room.., please !?


Dar

Santa
04-03-07, 07:58
The Gang Du Hotel. Big room, AC, big soft bed, clean, big window, quiet, good tv but not international, big modern bathroom with glass walls, girl friendly, great location. Internet access and they will rent you a computer for 30rmb a day. Unfortunately, I don't remember an in room safe, maybe.

No sauna or ktv.

It's a budget hotel, but if it wasn't good I wouldn't recommend it.

Tonedog
04-04-07, 03:19
Thank you very much, as well, for an equally detail-rich road map to LHL.

Cheers

Tongdog

Superforce99
04-04-07, 07:49
I've discovered a FS sauna in the Xiangzhou district of Zhuhai that hasn't been reported on before. If you're in Gongbei, there's no point to take a taxi 20-25 minutes out there just for this sauna. There are equally good/better saunas all over Gongbei.

The name of the place is Jiang Nan Sauna (South Zhu Jiang River Sauna) and it's close to the Xiangzhou Gang (Xiangzhou Harbor). If you happen to be out in the Xiangzhou Gang/Jusco/Wan Zai Sha area, it's a quick, convienent option rather than going all the way to Gongbei. Deal is 90 minutes full service for 238 RMB in a smaller, standard room without shower or 288 RMB for a larger room with in room shower, sauna, and shower bed.

Nothing really too special about this place but I've been doing this one young gal there who had just come from Hunan. She has been around for about 1 month (with the "lie curve" I assume that means 3-4 months) and she didn't really like working at the sauna, surprise surprise. She was very sweet-natured and goofy, as evidenced by her decision to never wear the standard uniform of tight golf shirt and gym pants but instead was always dressed in Mickey Mouse sweatshirts, baggy jeans, and sneakers. I liked joking around with her and she had a very appealing innocence about her (though I assumed her service would be terribly novice, and I was right). My eyes almost popped out of my head the first time I saw her naked because she has one of those "early developed" bodies you can imagine/remember from high school. She stands about 5'3, curvy but not fat, and 34 C or maybe 34 D firm-yet-soft breasts. I compare her body to a short, Chinese Anna Nicole Smith but the breasts are real. After a few minutes of lame service, I took it upon myself to give her a sexually satisfying time, which I was sure nobody else had tried/cared to do. By the end of the 90 minute session, she was panting and moaning for me not to stop so mission accomplished. She even breathlessly asked, "Do foreigners treat all women so well?" And I laughed and said, "If the women looked like you, then yes."

Other than that goofy gal, which I've done about half a dozen times (and she is planning to leave the place this week, continues calling/msg me regularly, so she might become a regular fuck buddy which would be great and that means pics), I don't really know much more info about the place. The female manager gave me her phone number for some reason "in case I need to call ahead to reserve a room" or something. So, if you do, here it is: Ms. Yang, 13*86003518

(missing digit: how many testicles do guys--most guys--have?)


J

Superforce99
04-04-07, 07:53
Saw this at the Zhuhai airport and thought it might be interesting for those of you who travel to/from Shanghai on a regular basis or just want to head up there on a sudden, spur-of-the-moment trip at a very reasonable price.

I don't vouch for this at all, just saw it, and putting the johnny-cam to good use...


J

Santa
04-04-07, 08:10
. So, if you do, here it is: Ms. Yang, 13*86003518

(missing digit: how many testicles do guys--most guys--have?)


J

Hitler, has only got one ball. Goring, has two but very small. Heimler, is very sim'lar, but Gnoebles, has no balls, at all!

Popular World War 2 ditty. British marching song.

Iceman2812
04-04-07, 09:27
Hi,

Iceman here.

I'll be in Zhuhai around the end of May/early June.

I'll love to meet up with you.

If you want to show me around let me know and how would I contact you?

Ice

Tiger 888
04-04-07, 14:25
Saw this at the Zhuhai airport and thought it might be interesting for those of you who travel to/from Shanghai on a regular basis or just want to head up there on a sudden, spur-of-the-moment trip at a very reasonable price.

I don't vouch for this at all, just saw it, and putting the johnny-cam to good use...


JWe use Spring airlines quite often, but you need to book well ahead to get this price. Shanghai Zhengzhou is only 99 RMB.
But their booking website in English doesn't show much of the real bargains, need to use the Chiense version.

Night Cat
04-04-07, 16:44
There were 4 girls, all above average in looks, sitting at the coffee shop inside the Guangdong Regency hotel, giving the eyes to all. They were sitting right next to Night Cat, in the afternoon we were meeting. But all Night Cat was thinking about was Jia Jia at the Hui Hua KTV.
The Jia Jia story has reached it's conclusion, see the DG thread for more info.

As for Zhuhai, a good time was had by all on Friday night, with Johnny giving me, One Wing Low (OWL), and OWL's friend a good tour of the area, including food, foot massage, facial treatment, and the girl scene. There was, however, a crackdown underway on Lian Hua Lu (LHL), so Zhuhai was not quite as festive as at other times.

On Saturday, I did a tour of my own, checking out 3 different saunas. First, I hit Da Ming Yuan (DMY) around 11 AM. The morning discount is good only if you leave before noon, so I got the afternoon rate. I saw only 6 girls, none too hot. I did one lady who seemed like late 20's or 30's, but she said she was 23. Looks like she had had a C-section. She gave me her phone number and said we can be friends or something. I'm not hot for her but who knows. Total was 318, which is the rate for the highest-quality room at that time. Met OWL and his friend in the shower area afterwards, I guess we were on the same wavelength that day. By the way, I did meet the "big mama" on the way out and got her phone number, maybe that's useful.

Later, I went to the Zhuhai Holiday Resort (ZHR) Hotel, also known as Du Jia Chun. There is a map near the hotel entrance, and there is a building called "health center" across the lake. This is a high-end sauna with more facilities (soaking pools, lounge, food, etc.) and a high-end price (888 for 90 min ST). The girls were certainly better than the ones I saw at DMY, but seemed a little tired or something, maybe they're a bit overused. They're still a notch below the Macau sauna girls (but that's a high standard for comparison). I had a nice session with a tallish girl with long hair, although not much in the breast department.

Later at night, I went to a place pointed out by Johnny, on LHL with a sign on the sidewalk saying "168". It turns out that that's a daytime-only price, 60 min ST, in a crappy room (probably no shower). I got a room with a shower which at that time was 240, and the price included the girl for 90 min. Since I had already done two girls that day, I wasn't able to do much with this one, so I paid the bill and left early. Probably a good thing, because I wasn't hot for this girl, or any of the ones there.

The next day, I met a girl outside at a bus stop, and we got to talking, and spent the evening going for tea, dinner, and hanging out by the seaside. We didn't wind up back in my room, but she seems like a good prospect for later, especially if I decide to live there (which I'm considering).

Night Cat
04-04-07, 17:14
I'm interested in finding more of what we might call "Chinese-style spa-saunas." By that I mean the kind where you go in, put everything in a locker, hit the showers, soak in the hot pools, sit in a real sauna, change into pajamas, sit in a TV lounge, and have tea, food, foot massage, etc. Some of these places have FS, some don't, either way I'm interested in finding them, especially in Zhuhai since I plan to spend more time there (maybe live there).

Or, if there is another city around that seems to specialize in that, I'd like to know that as well.

What I'm looking for is not only the range of services and facilities as I described, but also a kind of quiet atmosphere, and a sense of what I'll call "calm hospitality" on the part of the staff. In my view, that's a large part of what I'm buying when I visit such establishments. I've visited places in other cities (e.g., Chengdu and Beijing) that seem good at providing such service and atmosphere, and it's not necessarily correlated with price. I actually like the low-end places sometimes, if they have the right atmosphere.

Although Zhuhai as a city is known as having a more relaxed atmosphere and a slower pace of life, I've found that, in some of the places I visited, the staff seemed quite busy, perhaps even more stressed out than the average customer. In that case, it's unlikely that they can provide a quiet, calming atmosphere with careful attention to the customer's needs.

For example, at the foot massage place we went on Friday night, the first thing I noticed was that the TV lounge was very noisy, each person having their own TV screen and seeming to have to drown out everyone else's in order to hear their own. Then, in the foot massage room, OWL was getting his fingernails cut, and some of the fingernails got fired in my direction. I had to tell the guy to be careful about that. Then, my foot massage girl, while using her thumb to rub the top side of my foot, carelessly dug the fingernails of her other fingers into the sole of my foot, which felt very uncomfortable. Then, I noticed that it was taking over half an hour for my bowl of dumplings to arrive, and it was difficult to get anyone to check into that. The other thing that was odd, perhaps funny, was that the foot massage girls had a storm of controversy when I told them I make only 3000Y/month teaching English (that was actually true, a few years ago). Apparently, they thought I was crazy. It was kind of fun to watch the storm, but I thought it was a bit unprofessional. I also noticed one of them using her mobile phone during the foot massage.

Maybe I'm being picky, or maybe the above place is the exception to the rule, but a lot of what I experienced there was a "first" for me, and I've been to a lot of spa-saunas. I'm hoping that the above is not the norm in Zhuhai. If anyone knows of any places that fit the Chinese norm a little better, in terms of service and atmosphere (not necessarily at a high price), please let me know.

Weelock
04-04-07, 19:26
Night Cat:

A friend in a Macau spa-sauna gave me this list. He worked at one of them before in Zhuhai. These are high end spa-saunas. Johnny should know of others. If you do go, please report back because I would like to try one or two to compare with Macau. You can print out the scan image and ask a cab drive to take you to one of the places.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=566828&postcount=1027

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=563478&postcount=1014

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64579

Tanky
04-05-07, 05:20
You can try a few places.

1. Outside Gongbei Customs, look the left, where you can see a lot of lit up billboards, all those are spas (sorry, I don't read chinese). I walk through the street last night.

2. If you want the easy one (my friends' been taking me to this one) Take a taxi to Jun Hao hotel (20-25rmb taxi), you will go through a tunnel, the hotel is overlooking a mountain.

Anyway, 190rmb will get you food, spa facilities and room 1 session, if you choose fun, they are 300 extras.

The place is very clean, and new compares to a lot.

I hope it helps.

Tank


I'm interested in finding more of what we might call "Chinese-style spa-saunas." By that I mean the kind where you go in, put everything in a locker, hit the showers, soak in the hot pools, sit in a real sauna, change into pajamas, sit in a TV lounge, and have tea, food, foot massage, etc. Some of these places have FS, some don't, either way I'm interested in finding them, especially in Zhuhai since I plan to spend more time there (maybe live there).

Or, if there is another city around that seems to specialize in that, I'd like to know that as well.

What I'm looking for is not only the range of services and facilities as I described, but also a kind of quiet atmosphere, and a sense of what I'll call "calm hospitality" on the part of the staff. In my view, that's a large part of what I'm buying when I visit such establishments. I've visited places in other cities (e.g., Chengdu and Beijing) that seem good at providing such service and atmosphere, and it's not necessarily correlated with price. I actually like the low-end places sometimes, if they have the right atmosphere.

Although Zhuhai as a city is known as having a more relaxed atmosphere and a slower pace of life, I've found that, in some of the places I visited, the staff seemed quite busy, perhaps even more stressed out than the average customer. In that case, it's unlikely that they can provide a quiet, calming atmosphere with careful attention to the customer's needs.

For example, at the foot massage place we went on Friday night, the first thing I noticed was that the TV lounge was very noisy, each person having their own TV screen and seeming to have to drown out everyone else's in order to hear their own. Then, in the foot massage room, OWL was getting his fingernails cut, and some of the fingernails got fired in my direction. I had to tell the guy to be careful about that. Then, my foot massage girl, while using her thumb to rub the top side of my foot, carelessly dug the fingernails of her other fingers into the sole of my foot, which felt very uncomfortable. Then, I noticed that it was taking over half an hour for my bowl of dumplings to arrive, and it was difficult to get anyone to check into that. The other thing that was odd, perhaps funny, was that the foot massage girls had a storm of controversy when I told them I make only 3000Y/month teaching English (that was actually true, a few years ago). Apparently, they thought I was crazy. It was kind of fun to watch the storm, but I thought it was a bit unprofessional. I also noticed one of them using her mobile phone during the foot massage.

Maybe I'm being picky, or maybe the above place is the exception to the rule, but a lot of what I experienced there was a "first" for me, and I've been to a lot of spa-saunas. I'm hoping that the above is not the norm in Zhuhai. If anyone knows of any places that fit the Chinese norm a little better, in terms of service and atmosphere (not necessarily at a high price), please let me know.

One Wing Low
04-05-07, 06:04
until Night Cat manages to screw and report on the rest of the Huihua's management team, including all the pretty girls at the reception counter....hehehe.

Night Cat's involvements with the girls are a lot more personal and passionate than the typical physical encounters reported in this forum.

Night Cat does have an appreciative audience in this forum. Hope he keeps more reports coming and hope he will settle down in South China so I can buy him a few COKEs next time I am there.


The Jia Jia story has reached it's conclusion, see the DG thread for more info.

As for Zhuhai, a good time was had by all on Friday night, with Johnny giving me, One Wing Low (OWL), and OWL's friend a good tour of the area, including food, foot massage, facial treatment, and the girl scene. There was, however, a crackdown underway on Lian Hua Lu (LHL), so Zhuhai was not quite as festive as at other times.

(which I'm considering).

Night Cat
04-06-07, 01:45
Thanks to all for your comments. By the way, LHL is still dead. I was there Thursday night at around 7:30, 9:30, and 2:30. No SWs. I just found out today that this is a holiday, in fact HK and Macau, and maybe China, are having a 4-day weekend. So, I think this is the reason for the crackdowns in Zhuhai and Macau.


A friend in a Macau spa-sauna gave me this list.
It seems that #2 in your list (Du Jia Chun) is the 2nd of the 3 I reviewed in my 4-4-07 post.

If they are all high-end, I might not concentrate on exploring those, at least not right away, since I might prefer to frequent the mid-range to lower-end places more, and do a high-end place only once a month or so. At the higher price point, Du Jia Chun seems adequate for now.



1. Outside Gongbei Customs, look the left, where you can see a lot of lit up billboards, all those are spas (sorry, I don't read chinese). I walk through the street last night.

After reading the above, I went to about 5 of them and looked around. None was really what I was looking for. In most cases, they did not have food other than crackers and instant noodles, although they could send a staff member out to pick up something. Only one, Xin Huang Du, had the hot pools, so I went there. Their price was 288 or 338 depending on the room, and included 90 min FS. I probably won't go back because the place was very cold, and the girls weren't too pretty (this was 6 AM, I got a line-up of a dozen or so). I could comment on a lot of other odd things, but the one that stands out in my mind is that the guy who gave me a body scrub said I have to pay him directly. This was very unusual for a Chinese sauna, and reinforces my perception of Zhuhai as a haven of unprofessional behavior on the part of service workers. I still hope I'm wrong. Maybe I need to go to the parts of town not frequented by tourists.

until Night Cat manages to screw and report on the rest of the Huihua's management team, including all the pretty girls at the reception counter....hehehe.
Maybe I made a bigger deal out of this than was necessary. It was just a short-term obsession with the "KTV mommy in bed" idea. I'm over it now.

Macauzhuhaiboy
04-06-07, 03:28
The end (or the beginning) of LHL (aka Lotus Road) can be found at the border crossing side of China.

left, is where the action starts. A great lookout place to sit and enjoy the sight beside the umbrella stands is a noodle shop that is on the second floor on the left hand side, just before the umbrella stands and across from a entry into a alley that has an accordion/scissor shape gate. Grab yourself window seat and enjoy the girls chasing the mongers or getting chased by the LE.


==================================================
Bros, since some of u are lost in hunting for chicks, me would like to pass you to value for $$$ fucks

Just tell them recommended by their mama named DAN DAN

Lily = [Telephone Number deleted by Admin] (RMB200 - full service)
Ah Yu = [Telephone Number deleted by Admin] (RMB200 - full service)

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Superforce99
04-06-07, 03:53
Hi,

Iceman here.

I'll be in Zhuhai around the end of May/early June.

I'll love to meet up with you.

If you want to show me around let me know and how would I contact you?

Ice


I recommend you pay for a subscription to the ISG board, it's cheap and you'll be able to view a lot of interesting pictures and use the PM system.

Otherwise, I guess you can post your schedule/location/ect. here and I'll contact you if I am free during your stay.


J

Superforce99
04-06-07, 03:56
Nightcat,

There are couple of other massage places I can recommend not in the Gongbei area. Their names escape me but I could give you pretty clear directions.

But first, get a damn phone already!!


J

OldAsiaHand
04-06-07, 05:05
Johnny,

I keep telling him the same thing. He just needs one of those all China roaming plans. We should gang together and refuse to help him until he breaks down and buys a phone. I wanted to contact him earlier in the week to let him know I could not meet him in CP, but was unable to do so. Pain in the ass! I second Johnny's motion.

OAH



Nightcat,

There are couple of other massage places I can recommend not in the Gongbei area. Their names escape me but I could give you pretty clear directions.

But first, get a damn phone already!!


J

Kef321
04-06-07, 06:14
Hi all,

I'm testing this post to see if it works.

Any one want to meet me in Zhuhai in early June?

IcemanHey Iceman I'm a ABC who speaks decent Cantonese. And thinking of going there around the same time you are. Would be nice to have a buddy to explore the area, so I'm looking forward to the possibility of banding up and go tag team :)

J

Chung 2
04-06-07, 06:53
I guess you can try the Richmont Hotel massage parlor. Exclusive place with nice massage. Just opposite the famous Tam's Fish Head steamboat.

Superforce99
04-06-07, 07:47
Johnny,

I keep telling him the same thing. He just needs one of those all China roaming plans. We should gang together and refuse to help him until he breaks down and buys a phone. I wanted to contact him earlier in the week to let him know I could not meet him in CP, but was unable to do so. Pain in the ass! I second Johnny's motion.

OAH


From my conservative estimate, Nightcat has spent well over 5000 RMB during his adventures in Zhuhai and Macau. And then add the 800-1000 STs in CP!

C'mon Nightcat, you can buy a shitty phone + SIM card for about 100 RMB total. You can even give it to a WG if you don't want it later on!


J


PS. Get your emperor ass down to ZH already! There are several young ladies I've scoped out that I think will float your boat and then we have to go over to Macau so I we can try to get together with the Eastern Euro women at the Grand Lisboa!

Ace Gallant
04-06-07, 09:35
From my conservative estimate, Nightcat has spent well over 5000 RMB during his adventures in Zhuhai and Macau. And then add the 800-1000 STs in CP!

C'mon Nightcat, you can buy a shitty phone + SIM card for about 100 RMB total. You can even give it to a WG if you don't want it later on!

J

PS. Get your emperor ass down to ZH already! There are several young ladies I've scoped out that I think will float your boat and then we have to go over to Macau so I we can try to get together with the Eastern Euro women at the Grand Lisboa!Guys,

Does it occurs to you that there are a lot of people in this world who are willing to spend tons of money on pussies but are not willing to spend an extra few hundreds for anything else?

Read the Dongguang board about hotel rates in CP! people can spend 3K - 4K for KTV girls but when the hotel decided to increase the rate by 40RMB per night they give hell!

AG

Terry K
04-06-07, 12:06
After travelling for 3 hours from GZ, finally reach Zhuhai at 5pm. Checked in to Greenery Hotel and straight away to enjoy my dinner in the hotel. After all, it is about 7pm and decided to pay a visit to Sauna in Zhuhai.

Called a cab and directed him towards Da Ming Yuen, the sauna highly recommended everywhere. Enter the lift and go straight to 2nd floor and few waiter and waitress are waiting for our arrival. They lead me to washing area where you can enjoy sauna there too. After washing, immediately they lead me to the room, kind of rush to me.

After few minutes, 3 girls appear in my room and I chose one, not very good looking but still acceptable to me. Along with her, she brought six small cups of liquid, hot water, cold water, hot tea, hot milk, ice and bean (no idea what bean is it). She undress immediately then help me to take off my clothes. No chance to TCSS, I felt she is a bit in hurry.

She asked to lie on the bed and start to service my back. First, with hot water in her mouth, she 'roaming' my back, then with cold water. Then with hot water again, she suck my body with her mouth (kind of difficult to explain the action) then with cold water.

She pulled out some wet tissue and a vibrator from her beg! Wtf! A vibrator. She used the wet tissue to wash my ass few time to make sure it is clean, then she lie down to give me a very good AR service, used her strong touge to paint my ass hard and insert my ass hole, the feeling is so good, it lasted about 7-8 minutes. Then I heard the sound she turned on the vibrator. Before I can have any respond, she put the vibrator on my asshole! WTF! She really gave me a shock! I stopped her immediately but she still carried on for another few second and told me to enjoy it. But, I can't! And she stopped. I told her I don't like the feeling being sodomized!

Then I turned to face her, she gave me some catbath in front and proceed to suck my nipples. Her skill is damn good until my didi already fully erected before she ever gave me a BJ. Then she started the ice-fire work on my didi, first with ice, she crush the ice in her mouth then give me a BBBJ, follow with hot tea, the beans and hot milk. The beans gave the best sensation feeling as it is spicy and it gave the burning feeling.

After she finished all the foreplay, my didi is almost vomitting but I still managed to controlled it. She capped me and started with cow girl. Then doggy and I finished with the missionary. She apologized to me at the end of the session for the hurry feeling. She said she needed to finished all specified jobs or her boss will scold her.

Overall, what an experience!

Name : Lang Li Ling
Age : 27
No : 103
Look : 6/10
Body : 7/10 ( slim but small boobs )
BBBJ : 9/10
FJ : 9/10
Attitude : 9/10
Damage : RMB 210

Will go again if I go Zhuhai again.

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Bill Lee
04-06-07, 13:53
They all come up to you if you walk the LHL alone and the prices are as follow:

Wong Wong: 200RMB
Tian Tian: 200RMB
Xiao Bao: 200RMB
Da Bao: 200RMB
Xiao didi: 200RMB
Da Pigu: 200RMB
laowaiwithdadidi: priceless

You get it, they are all 200RMB ST. Don't pay more, Don't tip unless your experience was extremely GFE and don't be an OWL.

BTW, you have to provide the room. Let them know it's 200RMB before you bring them back to the room. Write out 200RMB if you have to. Some of them evildoers will try to scam you for more money. Don't let it happen. At the better hotel, such as GD Regency, the girls are probably be scared of you if you call the hotel guard to kick them out (from one such past experience).

Bill

The end (or the beginning) of LHL (aka Lotus Road) can be found at the border crossing side of China.

left, is where the action starts. A great lookout place to sit and enjoy the sight beside the umbrella stands is a noodle shop that is on the second floor on the left hand side, just before the umbrella stands and across from a entry into a alley that has an accordion/scissor shape gate. Grab yourself window seat and enjoy the girls chasing the mongers or getting chased by the LE.


==================================================
Bros, since some of u are lost in hunting for chicks, me would like to pass you to value for $$$ fucks

Just tell them recommended by their mama named DAN DAN

Lily = [Telephone Number deleted by Admin] (RMB200 - full service)
Ah Yu = [Telephone Number deleted by Admin] (RMB200 - full service)

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One Wing Low
04-06-07, 14:38
The first time I picked up Bin Bin in Zhuhai, I asked you the rate, you told me something which I thought 200Y to go to their apartment, and 500Y to go to the hotel. So I gave her 500Y for the ST.

I met her again last week in Zhuhai, cruising LHL innocently with her friends. She seemed hungry because of the crackdowns. She wrote down her name and age as 26, but I dont believe that. I gave her 200Y and a bottle of Jasmine cologne. She liked it a lot. She spent a few hours with me. Very nice, sweet and pretty girl. I really like this girl.

Looks like going with the mamasans to look for girls off LHL is the right way to do it. I went through the BBS but unable to find anyone half way decent.

Next time I am in China, I will go from HK IA to Macau, ZhuHai, then probably Houjie then Chang Ping, then back to HK IA, if the supply is low. You can take hourly vans from the hotels in CP to HK IA for about 250Y. The vans stop at the Huihua. Takes about 3 hours to the airport. They have an office in the lobby.

Going through Macau immigration, then take the ferry to go to HK, then taxi to the HK IA is just too much work.


They all come up to you if you walk the LHL alone and the prices are as follow:

You get it, they are all 200RMB ST. Don't pay more, Don't tip unless your experience was extremely GFE and don't be an OWL.
Bill

Bill Lee
04-06-07, 16:10
I don't know what you heard OWL. But the idea of me telling you about their apartment is impossible cause I would never think they would even bring us to their apartment. NO way about the apartment and no way about the hotel. I would never fuck with a fellow monger that way.

Also, your past posts and conversations has already told us how you like to splurge on these girls. And you appeared quite proud of yourself when you overpay. That's you.

Please don't blame me when you overpaid, overpaid, overpaid.

Perhaps you're just one Wild and Crazy Guy with lots of US dineros to spread around.

Bill


The first time I picked up Bin Bin in Zhuhai, I asked you the rate, you told me something which I thought 200Y to go to their apartment, and 500Y to go to the hotel. So I gave her 500Y for the ST.

Santa
04-07-07, 02:56
You were told the price was 200rmb. You also gave a 800rmb tip to a ktv girl in SZ and some crazy price for short time in CP.

What you don't understand is that other guys get really pissed off when they read about it. We post information with prices so we can all pay the same. When one guy flaunts his wealth and breaks ranks, that angers others.

WHEN YOU PAY MORE THAT FUCKS IT UP FOR US!!!

Don't try blaming Bill Lee. I know him very well and I know he always quotes and pays the correct rate.

Ace Gallant
04-07-07, 04:56
The first time I picked up Bin Bin in Zhuhai, I asked you the rate, you told me something which I thought 200Y to go to their apartment, and 500Y to go to the hotel. So I gave her 500Y for the ST.

Looks like going with the mamasans to look for girls off LHL is the right way to do it. I went through the BBS but unable to find anyone half way decent.
One Wing,

It is not fair to pound on Bill like that. I had spent about a week on road trip with him and in CP (Dam. ! 3 lonely souls having Christmas Eve dinner in CP! ) and I am sure he is not that kind of guy who would play our own fellow member out. I guess it may be a miscommunication. I remembered once in particular that he reminded me not to tips one of my girls as she had given him a stern stare because Bill does not speak proper Mandarin. (I bet you had forgotten that one didn’t you Bill? ) Also I remember the numerous times when he had me negotiate with the girl for a reasonable price and told me that we should not fxxk up the market for others, if she asked for too much, asked her to fxxk off!

I do not see any motive for him to fxxk you up in LHL nor is there any reason for him give you the wrong price. On the other hand, based on the 2 days I met you in ZH, I am aware that you are also a fair guy who would not mind paying (and most of the time overpaying) if the girl gave you good service. You are such a girl lover! However I must say this again; these girls will not thank you for overpaying them. They only have money in their mind and would most likely to be laughing behind your back telling others how stupid you are.

Lastly; Not been overly paranoid but, I would never go to the girl’s apartment. It is dangerous because you do not know what they had installed for you. Who knows, she might have 4 guys waiting to rob you (which had happened before) or have you film and blackmailed (likely to happen to guy living in the same city) and the list goes on and on. Remember; it is money that they are after! They are working girls, if they are not after money, what do they have to look for?

AG

One Wing Low
04-07-07, 05:06
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Bill Lee
04-07-07, 05:12
Here you are paying over the 200RMB. Now that's a contraction in your post. I guess we can say this:

You think the ISG members like it when One Wing Low come around chasing their girls with his 600Y when they ar used to paying 200?

Bill

BTW, do we really need to curse each other out? Let's lose the cursing?



You think the locals like it when you come around chasing their girls with your 200Y when they ar used to paying 100?

Ace Gallant
04-07-07, 05:24
Here you are paying over the 200RMB. Now that's a contraction in your post. I guess we can say this:

You think the ISG members like it when you come around chasing their girls with your 600Y when they ar used to paying 200?

Bill
So shut the fuck up!

You are acting like a stupid asshole.

You think the locals like it when you come around chasing their girls with your 200Y when they ar used to paying 100?

Get lost stupid asshole.
One Wing Low.

WHEN YOU PAY MORE THAT FUCKS IT UP FOR US!!!

Don't try blaming Bill Lee. I know him very well and I know he always quotes and pays the correct rate.Guys Guys. Stop! Stop fighting like little kids. ! As I said, there is some miscommunication over here! Don't need to throw shit at each other!

I love this one (Courtesy of OAH) “Where the pussy at?” :D

AG

Neuromancer
04-07-07, 05:44
While I agree that 400RMB above market price is a bit excessive (hey, that's 3x!), in the end its still only ~USD50. And would disagree that one person can drive inflation in such a large, liquid market. There will always be new girls entering the biz who won't have the "higher expectations from one guy overpaying".

As for the girl boasting to all her friends about getting more, I'm pretty sure that they do this all the time, whether or not it's true. My SO tells me stories all the time about so and so getting this sweat deal whether it's a one time thing or a kept girl sort of thing (with numbers significantly higher than 600RMB). I just sort of laugh and think "yeah, right"

Laowai123
04-07-07, 06:11
So shut the fuck up!

You are acting like a stupid asshole.

You think the locals like it when you come around chasing their girls with your 200Y when they ar used to paying 100?

Get lost stupid asshole.
@ OWL

You request(ed) and expect(ed) information/support from other members, mostly people living or staying a long time here in China. Some give(gave) you what you request/expect but the way you act you also kick them into their ass.

Your comment "You are acting like a stupid asshole" offends everybody who supported you with information including local rules like prices.

From my POV you deserve to be ignored and you move on my ignore list here at this forum and in real life. These all members not acting in respect of local rules will deserve, especially members overpaying and reporting about this with a kind of pride.

LW

Santa
04-07-07, 07:50
So shut the fuck up!

You are acting like a stupid asshole.



Get lost stupid asshole.

You didn't like being reprimanded?

So, now you want to exchange insults? OK

I've blown more intelligent life into a handkerchief! :D

OldAsiaHand
04-07-07, 08:40
OWL,

I was sitting right next to you at the umbrella bar in ZH that fine day you did whoever it was the first time. I heard Bill tell you to pay her 200 RMB. Where you got the 500 RMB from, other than your imagination, is beyond me.

I remember that day explicitly since it was the same time that Bill helped me out of a sticky situation with the girl I took since she tried to get 400 RMB out of me. Why? Because some guys like you had evidently overpaid her that much and foreigners have too much money anyway.

When I met you in person, I sensed that you felt no remorse whatsoever about paying the girls too much. I agree with Bill that many of your posts come across as being proud about it e.g. the 3,000 RMB girls at the Sheraton, albeit you did not get the chance to try them. In fact, Moody confirmed that they do not even exist.

Yes, you have the right to spend/waste your money as you see fit. However, the purpose of this forum is not to compare our wallets or our dick size, but to share information for the benefit of all. Overpaying does not benefit us all. Many newbie mongers pay too much out of ignorance and naivety. They get all hopelessly romantic about it and forget their better judgement. Providers in the industry prey on this. This may apply to you.

Your current attitude conveys that you don't give a shit about any of the information the rest of us post on the board and will do whatever you please regardless whether it effects the rest of the members. IMHO, members like this we do not need.

Finally, the comments you made to Santa are out of line and violate the rules of the forum. There is no reason for it. Everybody is entitled to state their opinion in a rationale way.

Just my POV.


OAH

Old Mean Dog
04-07-07, 09:18
While I agree that 400RMB above market price is a bit excessive (hey, that's 3x!), in the end its still only ~USD50. And would disagree that one person can drive inflation in such a large, liquid market. There will always be new girls entering the biz who won't have the "higher expectations from one guy overpaying".

As for the girl boasting to all her friends about getting more, I'm pretty sure that they do this all the time, whether or not it's true. My SO tells me stories all the time about so and so getting this sweat deal whether it's a one time thing or a kept girl sort of thing (with numbers significantly higher than 600RMB). I just sort of laugh and think "yeah, right"This is exactly the attitude we are trying to prevent. Still only $50 USD? I don't live in the USA, I live in China, I don't make USD, I make RMB. So 400 rmb might be chicken scratch to you, but it ain't to me. I just don't understand why anyone would pay more? Do people tell the hotel to charge them double the rate? or do they look for a discount, do they give the waitress at the restaurant a 200 rmb tip, or any tip at all?? This girl pulled off her panties and let you fuck her, thats it.

The pussy is 150/200 tops for BBS why the hell would anyone want to give them 400 rmb? So that girl will remember the Nice Laowai who helped her or you think they will say you are a kind hearted man? 99.9% of the time they will just think "Sucker" and go back for their next trick.

These big spenders are the same guys who won't even give the one legged, one armed man 1 rmb but will give the lazy, sex girls a 200 rmb tip...WTF.

Sure, it's a liquid market and many of these girls are disposible, but they do this one by one not entire shops besides, the mommas and pappas don't leave.

Yes, just one guy can start the inflation on pussy

Admin
04-07-07, 09:19
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LexLuther
04-07-07, 15:01
I am sorry but I must insert my opinion on recents events here. Bill Lee is a respected memeber of this board and a fine gent. Owl, on the other hand is an arrogant individual who occasionally acts as though the sun shines out of his asshole. He has made rude, unsolocited, and unkind responses to one or two of my own posts. I believe that in this instance, his words are unwarranted and without merit.

Lets try to be honest and respectful from this point forward.

LexLuther

Crazy Guide
04-07-07, 17:36
I am not sure if this one is known, but I went to DMY yesterday afternoon at about 4:45pm and after the shower was told, you have to wait another 5 minutes for the special to start. What special, I asked? Well it appears that they have specials everyday from 9am -noon and then 5pm -8pm. You get a normal room for the incredible price of 168rmb. I wasn't so sure, as my Mandarin isn't so good, but when I finished and went to the lobby to pay, sure enough, it was 168, total. What a deal!

Yeah, LHL is dead for now because of the long holiday weekend holiday, except maybe at 7:45 in the morning, I went out for a morning stroll, and the hotties were all out, hustling for business. When I went out again at noon, they had all disappeared. Oh well, you can get a better deal at DMY anyway, and so much more to choose.

CG

One Wing Low
04-07-07, 18:42
Bill is a nice guy. He contacted me and set me up on my first trip to China. He's my friend.

When we were sitting at the coffee stall in Zhuhai, he told me I'd better pick up Bin Bin because I may not see her again. That was a good move. Before we left, I asked him, what rate? He said something that I thought 200Y for going to their apartment and 500Y to go to hotel. I just came from ShenZhen, where I was paying high rates, so the figures sound reasonable. In restrospect, it is a good policy, even in small deals, to make sure both parties understand the deal completely before doing the deed. That would prevent any misunderstandings and problems, and keep both parties happy. It's good for business.

It was a miscommunication. I always appreciate Bill Lee because he's fun and he cares about his friends. For Santa, whom I never met, to jump in and call me stupid, well, he deserves it.

I agree with neuromancer that it's naive to think 1 or 2 guys can spoil the girls and move the market. After all the Japanese and Taiwanese have been having these well-known orgies in SZ and CP. How have they impacted the market? The girls know they must negotiate each deal with each customer. It's up to each customer to get the level of service he wants at his price.

Please keep in mind that China has only recently opened up. There are still a lot of differences in attitudes and lifestyles between Chinese and the rest of the world. But I have to give these poor, young Chinese girls good credits for acting with a lot of trust, honesty and dignity with rich foreigners.

When you have conflicts, I suggest you respond with a lot of patience and care. You should maintain calm apprearances, avoid showing anger and bad attitudes. Try to level out the differences in expectations. Remember that they are only poor, young, hungry, fearful girls, trying to eke out a living dealing with the big, rich, mysterious foreigners.

One Wing Low
04-07-07, 18:50
I exchanged info with you a few times. I thought you were a friend.

Last time I was kidding around with you, you acted out with a lot anger. You still show a lot of that anger now.

You are no fun, not my type of people. The end.


I am sorry but I must insert my opinion on recents events here. Bill Lee is a respected memeber of this board and a fine gent. Owl, on the other hand is an arrogant individual who occasionally acts as though the sun shines out of his asshole. He has made rude, unsolocited, and unkind responses to one or two of my own posts. I believe that in this instance, his words are unwarranted and without merit.

Lets try to be honest and respectful from this point forward.

LexLuther

Traveler1234
04-07-07, 19:37
Never mongered in ZH or southern China, but an avid 'reader' of sexcapades, and can't wait till I get a chance to visit. bill lee and I met up briefly in LOS, and he promised to be my personal guide if and when I ever visit :)

My two cents, for what it's worth - impressions of OWL are purely from his posts in the Vietname forum - which by the way resulted in much reaction from others:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=544967&postcount=1164

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=548158&postcount=1186

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=564764&postcount=418

Apologies for the intrusion but the last few rounds have been hilarious ;)

Santa
04-07-07, 20:15
A paramecium has a higher IQ. :D

Sorry, I can't help it. Santa loves a good laugh!

Fast Eddie 48
04-07-07, 22:13
I am not sure if this one is known, but I went to DMY yesterday afternoon at about 4:45pm and after the shower was told, you have to wait another 5 minutes for the special to start. What special, I asked? Well it appears that they have specials everyday from 9am -noon and then 5pm -8pm. You get a normal room for the incredible price of 168rmb. I wasn't so sure, as my Mandarin isn't so good, but when I finished and went to the lobby to pay, sure enough, it was 168, total. What a deal!

Yeah, LHL is dead for now because of the long holiday weekend holiday, except maybe at 7:45 in the morning, I went out for a morning stroll, and the hotties were all out, hustling for business. When I went out again at noon, they had all disappeared. Oh well, you can get a better deal at DMY anyway, and so much more to choose.

CG



to CG


The first time I when to DMY around 5pm first they told me the special is 168 for the room all inclusive with fs I can't believe it even the room is small , this sauna do alot of business the girl told me they get 300 customs on a busy day , but the quality is better during the week 5-8 pm is peak hr many of the girl is busy with custom so it is slim picking , even if you get a vip room is only 198 rmb and that is bbs price .


fast eddie 48

Santa
04-08-07, 03:58
They say "praise a friend in public and correct a friend privately". I have never met OWL, but we are all friends here.

I should have sent him a PM when I disagreed with him. I started the flame war, so I apologize.

OldAsiaHand
04-08-07, 04:56
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
I agree with neuromancer that it's naive to think 1 or 2 guys can spoil the girls and move the market. After all the Japanese and Taiwanese have been having these well-known orgies in SZ and CP. How have they impacted the market? The girls know they must negotiate each deal with each customer. It's up to each customer to get the level of service he wants at his price. [QUOTE]

I hate to beat a dead horse, but it is not just 1 or 2 guys. Too many guys have the same attitude when coming to China for a short period of time. "It is very cheap compared to" or "it is only 50US$". There are more expensive places for action in China. If you want to pay $50, go to where it costs $50 e.g. KTV or the better saunas. Just don't give $50 to a girl that normally gets $20. IMHO, the level of service does not vary that much when you pay more than standard, only when you pay less than standard.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
04-08-07, 05:02
Remember that they are only poor, young, hungry, fearful girls, trying to eke out a living dealing with the big, rich, mysterious foreigners.

It does not take long off the farm for them to become transformed.

Just my POV.

OAH

One Wing Low
04-08-07, 05:07
It takes a big guy to offer an apology the way you do.

I was thinking along the same line so that we can have peace and share some good times toghether.

I had good times with you guys in Zhuhai and CP. These friendships are very special to me because you guys really care about you friends.

I apologize for calling you names out of the heat of the moment. I would like to buy you a few drinks if we ever meet and share some honest esperiences, however good or bad....

I hope the rest of the forum would forgive my lack of decorum. Hope to meet all of you some time to share the goodness of our human kinship.



They say "praise a friend in public and correct a friend privately". I have never met OWL, but we are all friends here.

I should have sent him a PM when I disagreed with him. I started the flame war, so I apologize.

One Wing Low
04-08-07, 05:08
It takes a big guy to offer an apology the way you do.

I was thinking along the same line so that we can have peace and share some good times together.

I had good times with you guys in Zhuhai and CP. These friendships are very special to me because you guys really care about you friends.

I apologize for calling you names out of the heat of the moment. I would like to buy you a few drinks if we ever meet and share some honest experiences, however good or bad....

I hope the rest of the forum would forgive my lack of decorum. Hope to meet all of you some time to share the goodness of our human kinship.



They say "praise a friend in public and correct a friend privately". I have never met OWL, but we are all friends here.

I should have sent him a PM when I disagreed with him. I started the flame war, so I apologize.

Neuromancer
04-08-07, 05:13
This is exactly the attitude we are trying to prevent. Still only $50 USD? I don't live in the USA, I live in China, I don't make USD, I make RMB. So 400 rmb might be chicken scratch to you, but it ain't to me. I just don't understand why anyone would pay more? Do people tell the hotel to charge them double the rate? or do they look for a discount, do they give the waitress at the restaurant a 200 rmb tip, or any tip at all?? This girl pulled off her panties and let you fuck her, thats it.

The pussy is 150/200 tops for BBS why the hell would anyone want to give them 400 rmb? So that girl will remember the Nice Laowai who helped her or you think they will say you are a kind hearted man? 99.9% of the time they will just think "Sucker" and go back for their next trick.

These big spenders are the same guys who won't even give the one legged, one armed man 1 rmb but will give the lazy, sex girls a 200 rmb tip...WTF.

Sure, it's a liquid market and many of these girls are disposible, but they do this one by one not entire shops besides, the mommas and pappas don't leave.

Yes, just one guy can start the inflation on pussyFirst of all, I DID say that a 400RMB is excessive when market prices are 200RMB. While I don't have a problem tipping (recently tipped 80RMB at the BJ Factory up in Shanghai) - a 200% tip is definitely excessive.

Regarding one person driving up prices though - would have to ask, can you still get BBS p*ssy for 200RMB? I suspect the answer is yes. Sure, you might have a tough time occasionally when a girl will ask you for more, but in the end, I'm sure that you stick to that 200RMB price. If some BBS girl asks for 400RMB and won't budge from that price, her level of business is going to decline significantly (unless that one "overpayer" decides to come back 3 or 4 times per day) and she will likely go back to being a 200RMB girl.

If I went to some FKK and tried negotiating service for 20EUR when the price is 50EUR, the girl would probably laugh in my face and walk away - even if she hadn't had a customer in the past few days.

Here in HK, our low cost options are the 141s. I'm sure there have been once in a blue moon big tippers, but the price remains 400-500HKD (maybe a little bit lower if you head out to the sticks). Once in a blue moon, I will tip a decent sum (though admittedly, never 200%) when I felt the session was fantastic. I once tipped 100%, but that was after spending the night at her place for a few of our previous sessions (and paying only the regular rate). Afterwards, the price remains 400-500HKD. If some guy decides to pay a girl 10k, I could care less because the price will remain 400-500HKD - though it certainly may momentarily disrupt the market for that one particular lucky gal (and maybe some of her neighbors), who cares, there are 1000 more where she came from.

Weelock
04-08-07, 05:28
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I agree with neuromancer that it's naive to think 1 or 2 guys can spoil the girls and move the market. After all the Japanese and Taiwanese have been having these well-known orgies in SZ and CP. How have they impacted the market? The girls know they must negotiate each deal with each customer. It's up to each customer to get the level of service he wants at his price.

Please keep in mind that China has only recently opened up. There are still a lot of differences in attitudes and lifestyles between Chinese and the rest of the world. But I have to give these poor, young Chinese girls good credits for acting with a lot of trust, honesty and dignity with rich foreigners.
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To OWL,

Again these girls take among themselves and brag. Yeh like how this foreigner gave me a 800MB tip. The other girls say, WOW, maybe I can get a 10,000 or 15,000 tip.

Again a perfect example is “Jia Jia”. At first she changed 600RMB for you on 12-18-06. Now it’s 1000RMB ST for “Night Cat”. She just raised her price in 4 months. Why did she raise her rate? It was because some other guy paid her more or he was tricked into paying more. You just make it harder for “Night Cat” the next guy by paying more.


For the Japanese, they CLOSED the market after what happened in Zhuhai. There was a Japanese orgy in Sept 2003. Zhuhai was completely dead for about 1.5 year. They were raiding 4-5 star hotels looking for girls. I think two or three mamasan were executed and a few girls went to prison. The Japanese are known to over pay everywhere. I recall they were paying girls something like 3000RMB LT and had 2 to 3 girls in a room in Zhuhai.


For the Taiwanese, they inflated the market for Houjie. In other word, they raised the rates for everything by overpaying. I heard the Taiwanese are cheap ass when it comes to doing business. When it comes to giving money to impress the girls, they will over tip.


It seems like they tried to trick you with some models that cost $3000RMB. I’m sure you would have flipped if you took a girl for 3000 and later found out there was no such price level. I can hear it now how you were conned, DUPED. According to “Moody’s post on 04-03-07, there is no such thing as a 3000 model.


I also wonder why, ”All top managers showed up for tips when you got ready to leave”. I don’t think it’s normal but I not an expert in KTVs.


You are correct one person is not going a make a difference but if everybody does the same by overpaying there will be a problem. Just look at the Japanese and Taiwansese and look what happened. It seems like almost every guy that comes over to China overpays in the beginning, I did also.


Last, you are correct China just opened up but China is learning fast on how capitalism works and these little girls are no exception.

One Wing Low
04-08-07, 05:45
It's how you treat people that will make you good friends or bad enemies.

In the case of the girls anywhere in the world, if they sense they can, they would love to drain you of all your money then have good laughs at you with their friends.

In China, I found the girls to be much less greedy than most. I found a lot of goodness and dignity among the Chinese girls that I truly admire. That's remarkedly different from other countries that I went through. As you know, I dont mince words.

I consistently had good experiences with girls in China, paying market rates, except 2 cases when the girls were physically unattractive or refused to consumate the deals. I tried my very best treating these girls as friends in both body and my very limited verbal language. I had some very passionate sessions with the girls in China. I dont want to brag, but for the benefits of others, I had girls initiating second rounds or asking for seconds in ST arrangements. They did not have to do it if the had felt anything bad with me.

Come to think of it, I had GF's who wanted third, then fourth sessions...all night long. When they sensed any bad attitudes in me, they quickly made my life very miserable and very expensive... Since then, I have been very careful what I slip out in both verbal and body languages....

Cheers to all the bros.

Weelock
04-08-07, 06:16
OWL,

I think you should spend some time in Shanghai. Shanghai girls have a reputation for being greedy, demanding and materialistic. There are a few stories on the forum I think you should read about these Dragon Ladies.

I love Northern girls like from Shanghai. There are generally taller and prettier than Southern girls. If you marry or go out with a Shanghai Dragon Lady ( girl ) watch out for your blood. Just my opinion.

For your comment about, "Money cannot buy love or good times... ", your wrong. Just look at Anna Nicole Smith. Yes, money can buy love.




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In the case of the girls anywhere in the world, if they sense they can, they would love to drain you of all your money then have good laughs at you with their friends.

In China, I found the girls to be much less greedy than most. I found a lot of goodness and dignity among the Chinese girls that I truly admire. That's remarkedly different from other countries that I went through. As you know, I dont mince words.
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Crazy Guide
04-08-07, 11:00
to CG


even if you get a vip room is only 198 rmb and that is bbs price .


fast eddie 48

Yeah, one hell of a deal. BTW, the green umbrellas are no mas, they are now blue. I chatted up my favorite green (blue) umbrellas girl last night and she said that a few stall owners are selling out. The price? A cool 200,000rmb. Beer that is sold for 10rmb cost around 2-3rmb each.

Not sure if you can make it all back in 3 years, but hey, consider the side benefits. You'll have access to the latest, freshest, hottest cuties.

CG

Night Cat
04-08-07, 12:36
Let me start off by saying that I agree with the consensus of not overpaying. Understand the market rates, and proceed accordingly. I never offer a tip. If the girl asks for one, like for taxi or food, I will give 10 or 20Y. I think that's enough. I don't believe that overpaying helps anyone. If you think you're helping them escape a miserable existence, I would guess the opposite, it will just entice more of them to join the program. However, offering more for additional service (like BJ, if that's not normally included) is fine, as long as it's according to market rates. In any case, please don't spoil the market.

As for my Jia Jia adventure, that was a short-term deviation for me, and I've responded to all the criticisms in the DG thread as best I can. Now, I ask that we just drop the issue. If the information is useful, use it, and if not, just ignore it.

A BUST ON LHL

I was walking down Lian Hua Lu (LHL) around 5:30 PM today (Sunday), and a girl approached me, which was odd because there have normally been zero SWs on LHL during the crackdown, this time of day. She wasn't pretty, but she said if I don't want her, she can introduce me to another girl. She said 200 for "quantao" (FS w/BJ, dick-between-breasts, etc.) or 80 for "kuaican" (sex only). She led me to an apartment. I waited for the friend to show up. Then 3 or 4 Chinese guys come in, grab the girl, and start searching me, asking for my ID. I say I don't have one, ask them who they are, accuse them of being thieves, and tell them not to touch me or take my money. Then I walked out and they didn't do anything. I guess they were cops, and didn't want the hassle of prosecuting a foreigner, or decided to give up when they couldn't find any ID. I don't know if the girl was part of the set-up, or was a clueless newbie who got busted. Lesson: be wary during the crackdown, and don't go with a girl to her place.

FYI, Johnny and I did encounter two SWs on LHL Saturday morning (Friday night?) around 7 AM. So it is not zero all the time, just most of the time, at least during this crackdown period. I got a phone number, maybe I'll call.

MORE ON SAUNAS

I went to the Cohy Hotel, between the Yunhui Hotel and the Catic Hotel in Jida district. This was around 1AM Saturday night, the girl selection was not so good, but they bent over backwards to find someone I might like, calling girls who just got off work to come back in. I eventually chose a 24yo Chengdu girl, she looked more classy than whory. She said it was her first day (well, maybe sometimes it's true). She didn't have a number yet, and didn't know how to do all the services with the little cups of whatever, which is fine because I'm not into that anyway. I had a nice time with her for 298. This was a discount from 318. They have prices of 268, 318, and 368, depending on the room I guess. I think the discount depends on time of day (like at DMY).

Friday night around 7 PM, I went with Johnny to DMY. The girl selection, like the first time, was not too good, but I found one that was suitable for me, if not face-wise, at least body-wise. Total damage, under 300.

In general, hotel-style sauna FS seems to be a specialty of Zhuhai. Availability is high, price is low, but I'm not that attracted to the girls. It's not just looks, but also a "girl next door" quality which seems harder to find in the hotel-style saunas than in other venues I've explored.

OTHER ADVENTURES

In addition to DMY, Johnny and I had a good round of adventures on Friday night. We picked a couple girls out of a BBS. That went OK, but the girls seemed a little inhibited, maybe because we were all in one room (my hotel room on LHL). The problem came when the girls said the price was 200 per girl, even though Johnny knew the price to be 150 due to past experience. We called the mama and she confirmed the 200 price. Instead of paying the extra 50, I badgered the mama on the phone with reasons why the miscommunication was her fault, until I got her to tell the girl to accept 150.

We went for a massage at a good legit massage place. Later that night, we went to the New Chang An Hotel for an oil massage, which supposedly includes HJ, but we were never sure. We went there at 4 AM, and the service is 2 hours. My girl stopped about 20 minutes early because she was tired. I thought that was odd, so I got dressed and complained to the manager. I also told the manager about how she paid too much attention to the TV and not enough to the massage. After spending about 10 minutes talking to the manager about the unusually unprofessional service I got from this girl, she agreed that I did not have to pay.

Based on this, and other experiences I reported on, I'm getting the impression that a lot of the service workers in Zhuhai come here from other places and think they're on vacation, even while they're working and on duty. During my time here, over the past week or so, in several places, I found that the service fell way below typical Chinese standards. I'm sure decent service is available somewhere, but it's really spotty, and it will take time to to find the places that provide even the typical Chinese standard of service (which has its pluses and minuses, but would be acceptable to me).

OldAsiaHand
04-08-07, 13:02
A BUST ON LHL

I was walking down Lian Hua Lu (LHL) around 5:30 PM today (Sunday), and a girl approached me, which was odd because there have normally been zero SWs on LHL during the crackdown, this time of day. She wasn't pretty, but she said if I don't want her, she can introduce me to another girl. She said 200 for "quantao" (FS w/BJ, dick-between-breasts, etc.) or 80 for "kuaican" (sex only). She led me to an apartment. I waited for the friend to show up. Then 3 or 4 Chinese guys come in, grab the girl, and start searching me, asking for my ID. I say I don't have one, ask them who they are, accuse them of being thieves, and tell them not to touch me or take my money. Then I walked out and they didn't do anything. I guess they were cops, and didn't want the hassle of prosecuting a foreigner, or decided to give up when they couldn't find any ID. I don't know if the girl was part of the set-up, or was a clueless newbie who got busted. Lesson: be wary during the crackdown, and don't go with a girl to her place.



Nightcat,

The girl was in on it. This scam goes down all the time across S. China. They usually work in pairs in Shenzhen. A girl lures you with an offer of cheap sex. The thugs, pretending to be cops, come in to take your money. You were smart enough not to fall for it. And, these guys were not as aggressive as they can be sometimes. Sometimes, the girl will even start the service and they will just steal the money from you undetected while you are distracted or in the shower.

The only time I ever follow a girl to an unknown place is out of a BBS or with someone I know and trust.

OAH

Night Cat
04-08-07, 13:28
these guys were not as aggressive as they can be sometimes. Sometimes, the girl will even start the service and they will just steal the money from you undetected while you are distracted or in the shower.
Yes, she kept trying to suggest that I take a shower while waiting for the other girl to show up. So, looks like this was a scam, not a bust. I guess I was lucky they weren't more aggressive.

One Wing Low
04-08-07, 13:54
To OWL,
Again a perfect example is “Jia Jia”. At first she changed 600RMB for you on 12-18-06. Now it’s 1000RMB ST for “Night Cat”. She just raised her price in 4 months. Why did she raise her rate? It was because some other guy paid her more or he was tricked into paying more. You just make it harder for “Night Cat” the next guy by paying more.

I think Night Cat had some hang up that he must bed a management female. He might have slipped this 'must have it at all cost' attitude, and Jia jia quickly made the kill. I dont think she would do this to everyone. If it helped Night Cat resolve his hang ups, it's a cheap fix. Much cheaper and feel better than paying the psychiatrists. Smells better too.


For the Japanese, they CLOSED the market after what happened in Zhuhai. There was a Japanese orgy in Sept 2003. Zhuhai was completely dead for about 1.5 year. They were raiding 4-5 star hotels looking for girls. I think two or three mamasan were executed and a few girls went to prison. The Japanese are known to over pay everywhere. I recall they were paying girls something like 3000RMB LT and had 2 to 3 girls in a room in Zhuhai.

Wow. This is potentially deadly business. As I met MPFSLOVER's young and pretty mamasan in CP, I told him that's it's sad she is taking big risks, knowing eventually she may be locked up for 10 years, but she still cheerfully does her pimping. I have to assume the massive Chinese Secret Police knows exactly who are doing what. They are only waiting for the right time to bust her. One day she will disappear and nobody will know where she will end up.

Years of Japanese gross overpaying really did not jack up prices in ZH, did it? The girls still cruise LHL asking for 200Y. I suspect mongering prices are driven more by the overall supply/demand of labor. The supply side of labor in China is huge, the demand for SW is infinitestimal in the overall economy to have a real pull on the wage curve.

As happened in Japan, Taiwan and Korea, when China's economy absorbs more labor at higher wage levels, then you will see fewer pretty girls doing sex work, and a gradual increase in mongering prices. I think the fear of a few instances of overpayment hiking the prices of mongering is way exaggerated and narrow-minded. A few guys trying to fix prices in a huge and complex market just will not work. Prices in the SW market will be pushed by the supply and cost of local labor.

The biggest and quickest driver of prices is likely to be the goverment's crackdowns, which dry up the supply and pushing up prices.


For the Taiwanese, they inflated the market for Houjie. In other word, they raised the rates for everything by overpaying. I heard the Taiwanese are cheap ass when it comes to doing business. When it comes to giving money to impress the girls, they will over tip.

Due to lively industries and businesses, SZ and Houjie developed a niche market supplying girls to visiting businessmen at high-end of the market. It's usually the local salesmen who procure and pay for the girls and offer them to their customers. There are still plenty of smaller KTV's that charge less and many, many mamasans hanging out the streets offering lower prices. The market is creative. There are many venues for mongering with many price and service levels.



It seems like they tried to trick you with some models that cost $3000RMB. I’m sure you would have flipped if you took a girl for 3000 and later found out there was no such price level. I can hear it now how you were conned, DUPED. According to “Moody’s post on 04-03-07, there is no such thing as a 3000 model.

I also wonder why, ”All top managers showed up for tips when you got ready to leave”. I don’t thing it’s normal but I not an expert in KTVs.

This girl Shu Hue Lan was translating for her managers at the Sheraton KTV. She specifically mentioned the different tiers with some girls charging 3000Y. We took 2 girls in the first lineup. Should have asked for a few more. Another monger heard about the '10 top beauties' tier at the Sheraton from a local cabbie. I would not be surprised that the KTV tries all sort of gimmicks to extract more money out of their customers.

In our case, when I told the mamasan her prices were way too high, with the help from a nice Taiwanese guy translating, the minimum price was quickly cut in half. They seem very flexible. I am sure you guys can negotiate all sort deals with them if you can speak Chinese. Would love to hear what other 10 top beauties they keep in their closets, and what prices you can get away with.

This young girl Shu Hue Lan can speak sophisticated English, surprising for a girl who left the farm not long ago. She gave me some good glimpses into life in China that I really enjoyed. She was also a great partner in bed, pretty from head to toes, with a strong sex drive. Each time I lifted the sheet to look at and embrace her sexy body, I had an instant hardon. She satisfied my many levels of needs, besides the physical sex which was very passionate. Houjie is a much better deal than SZ. Would be very nice to find some hotties in ZH for 500Y all night, who can speak some English.

I went to KTV's in SZ a few times. Each time as we ask for the bill, everyone starts to show up with their hands out. It's like an industry's custom. In Houjie, the girls asked us to tip a few mamasans as they have the direct power to bring business to the girls. The girls would be quickly starved if they fall out of favor with the mamasans.


Japanese and Taiwansese and look what happened. It seems like almost every guy that comes over to China overpays in the beginning, I did also.
Last, you are correct China just opened up but China is learning fast on how capitalism works and these little girls are no exception.

You are proof that overpayment by newbies did not damage the market. So go easy on everyone in the interest of maintaining a happy brotherhood.

One Wing Low
04-08-07, 14:40
A Chinese lawyer from Beijing told me similar stories, about how Shanghai people are so materialistic, arrogant and cut-throat, you should never have one as friend.

Their attitudes and ways of life are familiar around the ritzy suburbs of NYC, San Francisco, Los Angeles...For some of these people, the only ways they can prove their self-worth is to show they have more and better material things than others.

In my business, I met a few girls from Beijing, all college graduates. They were attractive, fun, open and very expressive. They act with a lot of innocence, but not the tall, sexy, pretty type who can make life exciting. I actually never met any girl from Shanghai. One day you guys should show me how I can get fine Shanghai girls at affordable rates.

If I had money, I would never buy someone like Ana Nicole Smith, God rest her soul. I would pick up a few very pretty and very smart Chinese girls, set them up in different cities and have a good time with them year round.

Since I dont own an oil company, I would settle for the occasional visits to China, trying to get decent sexual companies that wont break my bank account, hanging out with a few friends swapping stories...

Life is good.


OWL,

I think you should spend some time in Shanghai. Shanghai girls have a reputation for being greedy, demanding and materialistic. There are a few stories on the forum I think you should read about these Dragon Ladies.

I love Northern girls like from Shanghai. There are generally taller and prettier than Southern girls. If you marry or go out with a Shanghai Dragon Lady ( girl ) watch out for your blood. Just my opinion.

For your comment about, "Money cannot buy love or good times... ", your wrong. Just look at Anna Nicole Smith. Yes, money can buy love.

Bill Lee
04-08-07, 15:39
A BUST ON LHL
Then 3 or 4 Chinese guys come in, grab the girl, and start searching me, asking for my ID. I say I don't have one, ask them who they are, accuse them of being thieves, and tell them not to touch me or take my money. Then I walked out and they didn't do anything. I guess they were cops, and didn't want the hassle of prosecuting a foreigner, or decided to give up when they couldn't find any ID. I don't know if the girl was part of the set-up, or was a clueless newbie who got busted. Lesson: be wary during the crackdown, and don't go with a girl to her place.


That was definitely a setup. If you have any doubts that they were the police such as the fact that you didn't see them displaying their police IDs, then they were not the LE. You were lucky in getting away. They just didn't have their setup well planned. Perhaps, they were looking not for your ID but your credit card, more cash or passport. You probably frustrated these amateurs.




Years of Japanese gross overpaying really did not jack up prices in ZH, did it? The girls still cruise LHL asking for 200Y. I suspect mongering prices are driven more by the overall supply/demand of labor. The supply side of labor in China is huge, the demand for SW is infinitestimal in the overall economy to have a real pull on the wage curve.

Granted they did not spoiled the market for us. They spoiled for their own kind, the other japanese or taiwan businessmen who wants to pay less or what was the market rate.

Some of the foreigners and tourists who visit China and overpays, the effect goes down to the regular foreigners and overseas Chinese who the girls sees as one grouping. The girls cannot tell if you're a laowai who has local ties there compared to a one-shot visiting foreigner. They will start the price more and now it's added inconvenience for the local laowai to bring the price back down. Just as Night Cat had to spend time to bring back the price down from 200RMB to 150RMB. Who wants to do that when mongering? Waste time in fee negotiation? Bringing the price down most times will bring down the service about to be performed.

You all know, if your client pays you less, then your interest in doing his job is less.

Bill

Santa
04-08-07, 20:42
I heard the Taiwanese are cheap ass when it comes to doing business. When it comes to giving money to impress the girls, they will over tip.

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When I want to impress a girl, I show her my wrinkled old red knob! :D

Moody
04-09-07, 02:26
This girl Shu Hue Lan was translating for her managers at the Sheraton KTV. She specifically mentioned the different tiers with some girls charging 3000Y. We took 2 girls in the first lineup. Should have asked for a few more. Another monger heard about the '10 top beauties' tier at the Sheraton from a local cabbie. I would not be surprised that the KTV tries all sort of gimmicks to extract more money out of their customers.


I don't know how else to say this, but you're really naive. If you go to Sheraton and ask to see the 3K line up, they'll bring them out. If you ask to see the 5K lineup, they'll bring them out too. If you ask to see the 10K lineup, they'll bring them out too. See where this is going??? There are two types of girls who work at the Sheraton, the regular girls, and the model girls. There are some model girls who ask for more, but that's not the prevailing rate. If you talk to them and they like you, they will go with you for 1500. Take my word on this. How many times have you been there? I've been there dozens of times and I know the place inside and out. Please don't think girls, the mommies, and the "entertainment division manager," or whatever other stupid meaningless title they have, are above lying to you, because they are not. China is all about face. Always remember that. They're always trying to put one over on you.

Moody
04-09-07, 02:27
If you talk to the girls, most of them will tell you Taiwanese are notorious for being cheap. Taiwanese will show up earliest to pick the prettiest girls and not tip 'em 1RMB more that what's required.

Moody
04-09-07, 02:37
I went to KTV's in SZ a few times. Each time as we ask for the bill, everyone starts to show up with their hands out. It's like an industry's custom. In Houjie, the girls asked us to tip a few mamasans as they have the direct power to bring business to the girls. The girls would be quickly starved if they fall out of favor with the mamasans.

Actually, this is pretty rare in Shenzhen. Shenzhen practice is you tip one mommy. Usually, one mommy will be in charge of your room. You might have to tip a server though. In Houjie, it's much more common to have a bunch of mommies and sometimes managers and assistant managers. It's common practice at both Jia Hua and Cinese. At Cinese, it got so bad I started telling the first mommy who comes in that I don't want to see any more mommies. I started getting annoyed that I actually had to say that, so I stopped going there.

Fast Eddie 48
04-09-07, 06:44
I don't know how else to say this, but you're really naive. If you go to Sheraton and ask to see the 3K line up, they'll bring them out. If you ask to see the 5K lineup, they'll bring them out too. If you ask to see the 10K lineup, they'll bring them out too. See where this is going??? There are two types of girls who work at the Sheraton, the regular girls, and the model girls. There are some model girls who ask for more, but that's not the prevailing rate. If you talk to them and they like you, they will go with you for 1500. Take my word on this. How many times have you been there? I've been there dozens of times and I know the place inside and out. Please don't think girls, the mommies, and the "entertainment division manager," or whatever other stupid meaningless title they have, are above lying to you, because they are not. China is all about face. Always remember that. They're always trying to put one over on you.



to OWL / MOODY


Yes Moody is right the girl in Sheraton and other dongguan ktv is not stupid , first time I went cinese ktv mamasan ask me is this my first time there and I said yes by mistake . she bring me model girl and told me it is her day and only have sex once she want 2000 LT but she can drink like a fish and I know that she have been around and I laugh and ask the mamasan do the girl have a gold plated pussy .

They will take advantage of you if you are japanese ,foriegn or a sucker stamp on your forehead , it is better if you are with a local regular that know the mamasan and speak chinese or they will try to overcharge you .


fast eddie 48

Superforce99
04-09-07, 07:19
I don't know what the hell is going on in the Zhuhai board now, but I guess the DG thread is getting too bad ass for it's own good, and it's contents are spilling over into other threads...d'oh!


Here's additional info on the new sauna I reported on earlier. Again, it's not a sauna that most of you will be going to, especially if you are staying in the Gongbei/LHL area. From there, it's about 15-20 minutes by taxi.

I am giving my recommendation because from my experiences it feels much less busy than a typical Gongbei sauna and the girls are more fun and at ease. I've had friendly chats with every girl I've done, and I've since become a frequent customer (half-dozen times in the past two weeks). I would rate everyone of the sessions at least a "good", most were "GFE" (if you want that type of thing), and two were PSE. I'm actually not looking for GFE in saunas, since I am seeking PSE (porn star experiences) but if it's a choice between GFE (lower level of service but higher warmth/emotional feeling) and SOP (decent level of service but with a conveyor-belt feeling) then GFE wins by a slim margin. Anyway, there is no other place I can recall where I could say I've had a 100% satisfaction rate (so far).

In general, the girls here are slim, shorter, and petite and I haven't seen tall/curvy/busty types. Cost is 288 RMB for 90 minutes in a VIP room with in-room shower and 238 in a smaller, shower-less room.

Attached is the business card for those who need it.


J

One Wing Low
04-09-07, 07:33
At the Sheraton Dongguan KTV, I could sense the girls fear the mamasans. They were fretting that the mamasans made them ask us for tips and that they may get screwed if we would not tip them. They suggested I tip the 2 mamasans 100Y each, but not the managers. I did not feel I had to tip the mamasan who did not bring the girls, but I went along with the girls' suggestions so they wont get punished.

It was funny how these mamasans, managers, waiters etc...kept inviting themselves in to drink with us. That's not done in other countries. I put it down as Chinese friendiness. When the managers showed up at the end, expecting tips, I put it down as lack of professionalism.

Lucky I ordered the 24 beers for 600Y. If I had ordered Cognac, I would have been screwed with a big bill with all those people drinking.


Actually, this is pretty rare in Shenzhen. Shenzhen practice is you tip one mommy. Usually, one mommy will be in charge of your room. You might have to tip a server though. In Houjie, it's much more common to have a bunch of mommies and sometimes managers and assistant managers. It's common practice at both Jia Hua and Cinese. At Cinese, it got so bad I started telling the first mommy who comes in that I don't want to see any more mommies. I started getting annoyed that I actually had to say that, so I stopped going there.

One Wing Low
04-09-07, 07:54
The mamasan informed me through a Taiwanese translater that the min room charge was 680Y, and the girls' rate were 3 8 10. After I informed her that her rates were too high, she took us down to a small room and said we could have it for 390Y min.

When we agreed and settled down in the room, the mamasan brought in the English-speaking girl who confirmed all the rates. When we left, we paid exactly the rates they quoted. They acted very professionally. I was impressed.

May be Moody is right, that if you ask for the 5000Y line up, they would probably bring out the same girls who lined up for 1000Y for someone else. I have been lucky not finding a lot of treacheries in CHina.


to OWL / MOODY


Yes Moody is right the girl in Sheraton and other dongguan ktv is not stupid , first time I went cinese ktv mamasan ask me is this my first time there and I said yes by mistake . she bring me model girl and told me it is her day and only have sex once she want 2000 LT but she can drink like a fish and I know that she have been around and I laugh and ask the mamasan do the girl have a gold plated pussy .

They will take advantage of you if you are japanese ,foriegn or a sucker stamp on your forehead , it is better if you are with a local regular that know the mamasan and speak chinese or they will try to overcharge you .


fast eddie 48

One Wing Low
04-09-07, 07:57
There are a lot of activities in Chang Ping. Chang Ping deseves its own thread so it will not confuse newbies.

The DonggGuan thread should be renamed DongGuan/Houjie.


I don't know what the hell is going on in the Zhuhai board now, but I guess the DG thread is getting too bad ass for it's own good, and it's contents are spilling over into other threads...d'oh!

Zhuhaifan
04-09-07, 11:45
I must have picked the worst time to visit ZH. The usually reliable LHL is completely dead right now. I just hope this isn't a permanent thing.

Ace Gallant
04-09-07, 17:20
Weelock; I do not agree with you on this one. You can buy love with Money? I doubt so, but I believe that money can only buy you loving making!


Money cannot buy everything, but without money, that is something you cannot have!”

OAH; Attitude of foreigners coming to China is crucial. But you are only partially right about the attitude of extra money given which is caused by their value of money due the difference in living standards.

SZexpat: Yes, some girls are just lazy but; that does not attribute the majority.

I’ll not trying to start another flaming session nor implying any one of the member here are what I will describe below but;

IMHO: I think the biggest problem here with a lot of travelers to third world countries is; when they compare prices, they suddenly realized they became rich over night; Especially when they are making US$ and spending RMB. Next, they will be looking at the people in these third world countries as Low-Life. Some went to the extreme of becoming racist. So that causes them to have the ideal of throwing money at these service providers and obtaining satisfaction from been treated like Kings and to see how low one can get over money. They think with their money, they can make them do whatever they like.

As we had said this over and over again; treat the girls with respect and they will return you with respect. For those who know me in person, I am sure you often see me chatting with people from the hotel front desk, stores, restaurants, BBSs, KTV, Foot massage and they loves to talk with me. Most of the time, that is my first step into getting a "YES" to anything or everything. (Sometimes I use this to develop Freebie relationship). I flirt with mummies, the girls in the BBSs, KTV girls and many became my friends who would means they are more obligated to provide a better service at no extra cost. Why? This is because they are happy to serve a friend. Not that I want to get away on not paying for services, but who doesn't love the good feeling of getting good services. Most of the time for those girls whom declined my money, I would return them in other methods. This way I will get more appreciation from them then just plainly “throwing money at them”. They are all human and they al have their dignity, if you throw money at them, not only they do not appreciate it; they will not respect you and will laugh at you as a stupid foreigner instead. They are female, they need security; they need love, and like all humans they need respect. A lot of people do not bother to take the time to chat with them, understand what they do, their problems, or listen to their grievance. If you would just spend a little time every now and then to chat with them about these, you would find that they really appreciate it. They know that you are interested to understand them and may also offer them salvation or solution to their problems. Very often I get flamed by members who think that I had bullshit about getting freebies. But one of my reasons why I do get them is because I respected them. It is not just money. I do not play with their mind and never gave them the impression that I will marry anyone of them. I am honest to them. To them that is another form of respect. With a combination of all of these plus many more I had not mention here, I had made them come to me instead of going out the get them. I do agree, sometimes money plays a part in fast forwarding the whole equation. But it is not a must. However for those travelers who are in a country for short period of time, I guess the easiest why is to buy themselves love by the oldest and fastest method in the books (Money).

So, having said all that; 2 statements I want to make:

1) Money can buy a lot of things but it cannot buy respect and happiness.

2) Respect others and your will be returned with Respect.

I shall stop here otherwise; I am sure I will get a lot of objections from members who would thinks that I am preaching or bullshitting or whatever. As I mentioned above are my opinions and it is up to each individual to take it or leave it. Thanks for reading and have a nice mongering day!

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
04-09-07, 18:43
At the Sheraton Dongguan KTV, I could sense the girls fear the mamasans. They were fretting that the mamasans made them ask us for tips and that they may get screwed if we would not tip them. They suggested I tip the 2 mamasans 100Y each, but not the managers. I did not feel I had to tip the mamasan who did not bring the girls, but I went along with the girls' suggestions so they wont get punished.

It was funny how these mamasans, managers, waiters etc...kept inviting themselves in to drink with us. That's not done in other countries. I put it down as Chinese friendiness. When the managers showed up at the end, expecting tips, I put it down as lack of professionalism.

Lucky I ordered the 24 beers for 600Y. If I had ordered Cognac, I would have been screwed with a big bill with all those people drinking.I my 3 years of going to KTV in different parts of China, I had never came across once the Manager came into my room at closing time to demand, ask, request or suggested in any form for a Tip. In fact I had a lot of time when I was told by the KJ or girls that tipping the Manager is not neccessary.

May be it is because you had misunderstood what they were asking for.

AG

Weelock
04-09-07, 22:17
AG,

If "Money can’t buy me love”, well it does buy diamond rings, fast cars and fast women. I think we all agree on this.

You should sing the lyrics to the song by the Beetles. And then sing the song, "Money, That's What I want, Gimme money, that's what I want!".

For Anna Nicole Smith former husband had billions and billions of dollars. With some of these dollars, it certainly HELPS in a relationship. If you are poor, it’s extremely difficult in a relationship especially in a capitalistic society. In some societies females will not marry you if you don't have some kind of status or diary ( money again ). I heard Anna was not interested in the beginning. He then brought a big fat rock. She then was interested and the rich guy got what he wanted and he was happy.

I am not going to write more about this subject because it can be debate and go on and on. I cannot believe just one guy can cause some much controversy within the last few days. Well, I forgot there has been some real long ugly things said on the Thai Threads.

ManonsanBoy
04-09-07, 22:30
Was staying at Golden Lake Hotel over Easter. Wandered down the road to BBS; more than 20 available. Two were very good for BBS: Both Hubei and behaved like friends.

Back at the room, both dived into the bathroom and unusually emerged with hair shampooed and make up scrubbed off and teeth brushed. They looked even more cute wet and motioned me to shower. Finally, all ready, they hit me with the LT proposal; 400 each. I said no but would consider 300 each. Rang mummy and agreed to 700 for both.

Action started @ 830 PM. Wonderful smelling pussies, DATY seems to bring both off. Bareback BJ, catbath etc etc; in fact, almost sauna standard of service. Problem was I could not come. Viagra but no cum. One then mounted me bareback. I was then "catching the feeling" and barebacked the other girl and eventually CIM on the first.

In the morning, another slow session. Started when the Masters came on (Chinese commentary) and finished when Tiger put it in the drink. Very nice and very GFE.

Then they told me they were sisters! I said BS; they did not have ID. Anyway, instead of wanting to rush away, they actually wanted to b'fast with me and all the while we had reasonable conversation. 18 and 20. Very nice GFE. I eventually sent them off with 300 each. 900 for both LT. They seem happy and gave me their phone numbers.

Night Cat
04-09-07, 23:02
I went to the Jun Hao Hotel, their sauna is the spa-sauna type (put your clothes in a locker, hit the showers, soak in hot pools, get a body scrub, put on pajamas and relax in the TV lounge, drink tea, eat, get a foot massage, etc.). What makes it different from typical Chinese spas is that they give you the girl line-up in the TV lounge (like they do in Macau). The place was nice overall, but I didn't find the girls all that attractive. I chose the one with the friendliest smile. She was a nice in general, but a bit DFE during sex. The "routine" here is a little interesting, the girl gives BJ in unusual positions. Pricing is 490, 538, or 598, depending on the room.

Next stop, Jiuzhou Shui Hui ("jiu" like "nine", and "zhou" like "guangzhou"). This is a more elaborate spa, with a co-ed swimming pool and hot soaking pools (they provide swimwear, but I didn't use those facilities). The third floor is for ordinary massage and FS. FS pricing is 188 for a hotel-like room, plus 300 or 500 depending on which level of girl you choose, ordinary or "model." After seeing all the girls, I opted out and got an ordinary massage. They have a net bar, I'm writing this from there right now.

In general, I haven't had much luck finding girls I'm attracted to, during this past week or so in Zhuhai. For saunas, I might try showing up at better times, like in the evening after 8 PM, when there might be a better girl selection. There is also the issue I mentioned before, about service workers in general providing a lower standard of service in Zhuhai than the average Chinese level. Some of them (e.g., a massage girl) told me that it's because of the low pay here, and the relaxed lifestyle. I've been thinking about moving here, but I'm not sure I can adjust to this, and now with LHL dead, staying in Zhuhai seems almost pointless. Maybe LHL will come back, and maybe I need to explore further, to find the places I like. We'll see.

Rocket12
04-10-07, 00:25
I must have picked the worst time to visit ZH. The usually reliable LHL is completely dead right now. I just hope this isn't a permanent thing.Well, this past week was basically the tomb sweeping festival and like most festivals in china you have the usual migration of people back to their home towns (working girls are people too with family responsibilities) and the LE cracking down. At least I hope this is the case since I want to visit zhuhai in the future and from all the reports from other mongers, LHL is a reliable place for a zhuhai greenhorn; at least one that did a little research first before going.

Zhuhaifan
04-10-07, 15:24
Well, this past week was basically the tomb sweeping festival and like most festivals in china you have the usual migration of people back to their home towns (working girls are people too with family responsibilities) and the LE cracking down. At least I hope this is the case since I want to visit zhuhai in the future and from all the reports from other mongers, LHL is a reliable place for a zhuhai greenhorn; at least one that did a little research first before going.Ok after a day here I think I've figured out things a bit more. I talked to a few pimps here and they said that the days of the street walkers on LHL seem to be over. The cops are everywhere and the girls are too scared to show themselves. There is still a lot of action to be had on LHL but you need to talk to the pimps/mamasans who will hook you up or lead you to where the girls are. A guy hooked me up with a cute girl for an overnighter and the pricing I got was 400 rmb to the guy/pimp/agent and 600 to the girl, although the girl later told me that I didn't really have to pay the guy anything.

I also found a place next door to the Guandong Regency that is sort of a strange rundown AMP place that lets you pick from a lineup and then puts you in a dirty room with a bed and a tv. Anyway if you go to such a place be careful when the girl would order drinks without even you asking. I had a great time with an incredible tall dark skinned girl from Hubei with the most amazing tits but she ordered a bunch of drinks and I ended up paying $600 instead of $200.

Superforce99
04-10-07, 16:14
...
If "Money can’t buy me love”, well it does buy diamond rings, fast cars and fast women. I think we all agree on this.


What the hell is that?!

Ha ha ha...Weelock, what are you eating? What are you smoking? Have you EVER had diamond rings, fast cars, or fast women? Anyway, thanks for the heartiest laugh I've had all day...



Oh, yeah, as of today, there is still a general crackdown on LHL and there are absolutely no gals approaching anyone. If you kind of linger around for a few minutes and radiate an obvious "Where the pussy at!?" vibe, then a pimp or gal will eventually approach you, but it's not a certainty. For the time being, the best time for gals walking around LHL seems to be early in the morning, 6-7am (!).

Anyway, for those of you who are in ZH and want some LHL gal numbers, PM me and I'll pass along what I have.

J

Iceman2812
04-10-07, 19:32
Cool mate,

Love to meet up with you in zhu hai

How do I contact you?

I'll be subscribing to this soon, so if you can too.

I'll pm.

We can meet some of the other brothers too.

I'm not always here, so just leave me a msg, and I'll get back to you.

Ice

Eazy Guy
04-10-07, 22:07
bros,

does anyone could tell me whether I could buy any packages to macau from ZH? thanks for inputs in advanced.

cheers,
eg

Fast Eddie 48
04-10-07, 22:16
bros,

does anyone could tell me whether I could buy any packages to macau from ZH? thanks for inputs in advanced.

Cheers,

egTo Eazy Guy,

There are package to macau from zhu hai but mostly is the other way around
package from macau to zhu hai . why do you need that just cross the border most package is just hotel and show package only from travel agent in zhu hai.

Fast eddie 48

One Wing Low
04-11-07, 03:05
There are many mamasans handing out cards on LHL.

Are they still there? Can they take you to decent girls? What are their rates?

I saw them but did not have time to go with them.



What the hell is that?!

few minutes and radiate an obvious "Where the pussy at!?" vibe, then a pimp or gal will eventually approach you, but it's not a certainty. For the time being, the best time for gals walking around LHL seems to be early in the morning, 6-7am (!).
J

One Wing Low
04-11-07, 03:11
Looks like good deals can be had...


Was staying at Golden Lake Hotel over Easter. Wandered down the road to BBS; more than 20 available. Two were very good for BBS: Both Hubei and behaved like friends.

with me and all the while we had reasonable conversation. 18 and 20. Very nice GFE. I eventually sent them off with 300 each. 900 for both LT. They seem happy and gave me their phone numbers.

Superforce99
04-11-07, 04:11
There are many mamasans handing out cards on LHL.

Are they still there? Can they take you to decent girls? What are their rates?

I saw them but did not have time to go with them.


Hey OWL,

My opinion for these mamasans are tepid, at best. They will all claim to have "young, beautiful gals with the best service" no matter what late 40s, one-legged semi-female is actually being pushed. That being said, if you have the patience (I do) and the time (I don't) to chat with a few and go with them to check out their girls, you should be able to find some you like. Their usual method of operation is for you to tell them your hotel and hotel room number after which they send you 1 or 2 gals for your inspection (depending on your location, takes from 10-15 minutes for arrival) at the usual 200 RMB ST rate. Not exactly practical, safe, or efficient, so I usually skip these mamasans, though I have a couple of regular mamasans that I am in contact with so let me know if you really want to talk to one. And don't get any fantasies about fucking these mamasans because, unlike in CP, all these ZH mamasans are old and/or fat and/or ugly. But I'm sure there are some guys out there who like that tasty combo, ha ha....

Nightcat and I happened to be around LHL yesterday at around 2am (after a good tour of Xiangzhou area saunas) and in front Jin Du (?) Hotel (to the right of the Yindo Hotel), there were a line of about 5-6 SWs. I was really weird, I've never seen that before in Zhuhai. They were all standing pretty close to each other in a single line. One approached me and and another approached NC. I chatted a bit with my gal, Yang Yang, and she eventually gave me her number which I handed to NC. Young, friendly, and somewhat cute. I would rate her on the lower-end of a typical LHL gal (average LHL look for me is from 6-8 and this gal was a 6).

Later, NC and I walked down the road perpendicular to LHL (the old Chang An Hotel is the starting point) and there were at least another 8-10 SWs (along with their pimps) lining the sidewalk, kind of like statues or lamposts, mostly waiting for customers driving by in cars. Again, a very weird scene I've never seen before in ZH. These girls (average looks 3-6) were not typical LHL quality and I imagine they were from the area BBSs and were told to be more "proactive" and to stand on the sidewalks and drum up business.

I guess 2am is the magical time when police patrols disappear (didn't see one patrol car or officer) and many SWs come out.

We didn't end up taking any of the gals, but we did conclude that mongers who want to see consistent lineups of slightly older (early-mid 20s) and big-breasted gals should go to Yindo Hotel's sauna, although their ridiculous 638 RMB charge might not appeal to most mongers. They do have the red (actually orange!) rope service, though!


J

Iceman2812
04-11-07, 10:54
Thanks,

I've tried to google search you on new celica.org, but couldn't find you.

I'll pm you when I subscribe.

Are you into freebies?

I meet a girl 2 years back, working in one of those green umbrella stands.

She took me out that night. Paid for the drinks (she paid, yes she paid!)

She came back to my place and gave me a good fuck aswell. We still keep in contact. I'll be meeting up with her too when I'm there.

Or would I say some other freebies too.

Ice

Kef321
04-11-07, 23:38
Freebies are great to use up the day time for siteseeing, food, introduce to other freebies, etc.

I just signed up but couldn't PM you because you're not a member.


Thanks,

I've tried to google search you on new celica.org, but couldn't find you.

I'll pm you when I subscribe.

Are you into freebies?

I meet a girl 2 years back, working in one of those green umbrella stands.

She took me out that night. Paid for the drinks (she paid, yes she paid!)

She came back to my place and gave me a good fuck aswell. We still keep in contact.

I'll be meeting up with her too when I'm there.

Or would I say some other freebies too.

Ice

Eazy Guy
04-12-07, 05:43
well, I am going to Macau with a friend, female. We meet up at ZH and going to Macau together so I just would like to buy any packages ticket from ZH and enjoy~

cheers~
eg

Zhuhaifan
04-12-07, 11:03
...is to get a freebie with a LHL green umbrella stand girl.

It seems it would be really hard though. These girls, especially the hot ones, must have hundreds of tourists hitting on them a day. What's your strategy?

Pute Nut
04-12-07, 11:04
well, I am going to Macau with a friend, female. We meet up at ZH and going to Macau together so I just would like to buy any packages ticket from ZH and enjoy~

cheers~
eg

EG,

IMO there MUST be such options available. I was in Macau last weekend and the place was shock full with tourists. Many hongkies, sure, but also many obvious mainlanders. Why don't you just check with PRC travel agencies? Have a good trip.

OldAsiaHand
04-12-07, 12:37
I was in Macau last month and stayed at the above hotel. It was pricey, but the hotel is fantastic. If you don't mind spending a bit of money, I am sure you and the lady will enjoy the place.

OAH



well, I am going to Macau with a friend, female. We meet up at ZH and going to Macau together so I just would like to buy any packages ticket from ZH and enjoy~

cheers~
eg

Pointpanic
04-12-07, 12:59
Was there in April and it was classic Las Vegas. Nicely appointed with 42 inch video screens, floor to ceiling windows and great views of the Lisboa and the walking street near the Fortuna should you need to get out for a quicky.

I was in Macau last month and stayed at the above hotel. It was pricey, but the hotel is fantastic. If you don't mind spending a bit of money, I am sure you and the lady will enjoy the place.

OAH

Fast Eddie 48
04-12-07, 17:02
well, I am going to Macau with a friend, female. We meet up at ZH and going to Macau together so I just would like to buy any packages ticket from ZH and enjoy~

cheers~
eg


to easy guy



If you arrive on macau ferry terminal there are travel service offer one day and 2 days tour to zhu hai they are expensive if you need express china visa to go with it , most tour go to hot spring resort or yuan ming new yuan some also go to zhongshan also .




fast eddie 48

Phimai
04-12-07, 17:40
Hi

I plan to visit Zhuhai in June. 90 % of the previous reports I read. But I have some questions:

A) Where can i find a atm/bank in Zhuhai?
B) What is the maximum amount I can get from the ATM? Visa/Visa Plus
C) Must I declare my laptop and pda when I enter the border to China?

Enclosed a googleearth-file with poi's of Zhuhai. I collect the information from this forum and elong I hope they are correct.

phimai

GlenEagle
04-13-07, 04:34
Hi

I plan to visit Zhuhai in June. 90 % of the previous reports I read. But I have some questions:

A) Where can i find a atm/bank in Zhuhai?
B) What is the maximum amount I can get from the ATM? Visa/Visa Plus
C) Must I declare my laptop and pda when I enter the border to China?

Enclosed a googleearth-file with poi's of Zhuhai. I collect the information from this forum and elong I hope they are correct.

phimai

A. ATM is available everywhere and in most of the hotels too.
B. Depend on your card limit in your host country. I have ever drawn RMB 25000 in one day without any problem, but you have to do it in a few transactions as each time, the limit is RMB 2500.
C. Not necessary to make declaration.

GlenEagle

Member #2001
04-16-07, 13:27
I am in ZhuHia now and I was wondering if anybody would like to hang out and maybe show me about the LHL. Maybe show me some hot spots.

I was on the LHL on friday night and I did not see much of SWS around. One guy yelling at me SEX SEX? I jsut kept walking. I will be free on friday night

Iceman2812
04-16-07, 17:55
Hi mate,

I've now subcribed so you can pm me.

Ice

Kef321
04-16-07, 23:39
Phimai,

Iceman and I plan to go there early June as well. When are you going and how long is your stay? If it works out, we can meet up for a drink and hit up a couple of these places as a team. You should subscribe so I can send you a PM.

J


Hi

I plan to visit Zhuhai in June. 90 % of the previous reports I read. But I have some questions:

A) Where can i find a atm/bank in Zhuhai?
B) What is the maximum amount I can get from the ATM? Visa/Visa Plus
C) Must I declare my laptop and pda when I enter the border to China?

Enclosed a googleearth-file with poi's of Zhuhai. I collect the information from this forum and elong I hope they are correct.

phimai

Conrady
04-17-07, 17:11
Hi folks,

Will be staying at zobon hotel.

Have checked the zhuhai thread, not much reply to this query by earlier guys.

How far is it from LHL, and is there any action within walking distance of hotel? Know that standard rate is 200RMB,

So would appreciate info on nearby spots for delectable local cuisine.

Bill Lee
04-17-07, 19:34
Use the "search this thread" for zobon, then read the f*cking thread.

Now, find out how far zobon is from the Gongbei border (a more well known landmark) through additional searches in the thread, on your hotel's website or on the Internet and now you have an idea how far you are from the LHL area.

So do some work yourself and post your answers so we know that you're capable of using your head. Otherwise, people will just tell you to RTFF.

Bill


Hi folks,

Will be staying at zobon hotel.

Have checked the zhuhai thread, not much reply to this query by earlier guys.

How far is it from LHL, and is there any action within walking distance of hotel? Know that standard rate is 200RMB,

So would appreciate info on nearby spots for delectable local cuisine.

Phimai
04-17-07, 21:16
Hi nyoneway,

I plan to stay in zhu hai 2 days before I went to changping. For China I have only 8 or 9 days, not realy much. This is my second trip to south China. 3 years ago I stay a couple of days in shenzhen.

My problem is, that I don't know when I arrive in zhu hai. Because I make 7 weeks holiday and my trip takes me to Thailand, indonesia, Philippines and China.

When I know more I can contact you.

Phimai

Fast Eddie 48
04-17-07, 22:54
Hi folks,

Will be staying at zobon hotel.

Have checked the zhuhai thread, not much reply to this query by earlier guys.

How far is it from LHL, and is there any action within walking distance of hotel? Know that standard rate is 200RMB,

So would appreciate info on nearby spots for delectable local cuisine.





to conrad y


This is a new 4 star hotel I visit a business partner there a few month ago , it is close to jiuzhou port ferry terminal to shenzhen and HK , you can take taxi to gonbei border LHL about 20 rmb 15 min , this is only 4 star hotel that I know in zhu hai that have no sauna inside not a monger hotel at all , I will be in zhu hai next week for a few days after the canton fair ,pm me if anyone like to go mongering together .


fast eddie 48

Superforce99
04-18-07, 02:48
Things are still pretty dead on LHL. There are still a few girls walking up and down LHL but in a very discreet way and they don't approach you anymore, just kind of trying to give "the eye" to select, potential customers. I saw some of these mongers approaching the gals and the deal seemed to work OK with this approach. Just don't expected to be approached and given a number for later, like the good ole' days. Your best bet is to go patrolling the LHL area and the street in front of the Yindo Hotel/perpendicular to LHL in the early morning, 5-6am.

Or, like some recent mongers who have come to Zhuhai, I would be more than happy to go through my LHL phonebook and call up some LHL/non-LHL gals that deliver their hot tuna pie to your hotel in no time flat. In general, most of the LHL gals are chilling at home nowadays, waiting for calls from regular customers or have gone to the bars to get customers so they are happy to get a call from me. And no, I don't get anything from these gals...maybe better service next time I go with them, I guess.

One more thing, be careful about approaching gals on the street, too. I saw a monger and a SW getting handcuffed and put into a police paddy wagon right outside the GD Regency Hotel last night. It didn't really make any sense to me....were they taken from in the hotel? (impossible) were they taken from one of the nearby saunas? (impossible) were they taken from a local bargain-rate/short-time hotel? (vaguely possible) were they taken from the street as they tried to negotiate a deal? (vaguely possible). Anyway, it didn't really make sense except that there was a Chinese-looking monger and a tall SW getting handcuffed and put into a paddywagon, something I would have never expected to see in ZH.


Enjoy and stay safe.


J

Don K
04-20-07, 13:13
Had an exhausting trip to ZH this past week, with an assist by Johnnykon666 to help us find our way around (thanks very much). As mentioned LHL is dead except for late at night (after 3am or so) when SWs become more obvious and approachable. The bonus though was the sauna located in the DaMingYuan hotel with it's 'happy hour' special of 160 RMB. Even the 210 at regular time is a deal and a half too, or 280 for a full shower room. An additional girl in the full shower room will run 380. Not bad quality at all and a seemingly endless supply of girls, since after going a few times I never saw the same one twice. An especially cute and naughty girl there was #886.

There is apparently another good cheap sauna called SanZao I heard of as well, but apparently it is out by ZhuHai airport, so it's about 100RMB just to get there.

Slept at a hotel called GangDu JiuDian. Pretty centrally located and new, clean rooms for RMB138/night.

As a side note, also on LHL Johnnykon666 introduced an undergroud go-cart place (chinese: 'ka-ding di-fang') that is the most extreme that I can remember going to. Located in an converted underground parking garage, they have carts that might not have been the best maintained in the world, but certainly didn't have any governers on the engines. And bald tires made them especially challenging. Walked away with my heart pounding.

I've noted these locations on www.wikimapia.org, so people can get around:
http://www.wikimapia.org/#y=22229024&x=113550031&z=15&l=0&m=a&v=2

RasSpewtin
04-21-07, 13:22
for several years, my visits to shenzhen were fairly regular in frequency and lengthy in duration. but things changed this year. i gotta say that i will miss shenzhen. looking back at some photo history, it quickly becomes evident that i had some of the bast times of my life in sz. but things change. my visits for the next while will be relocated from shenzhen to zhuhai.

i visited zhuhai for my fist time this week. i can’t help but make comparisons to shenzhen. it is a quieter city for sure, especially by chinese standards. the pace is a little slower than sz. unlike sz where 95% of the population originates from anywhere else in china, there are many people in zhuhai that were actually born here. in sz you see lots of young girls on the street wearing high heels and shorts that are as short as they can be without being non-existent. the local girls are a little less wordly in zhuhai, but friendly nonetheless.

we have all read the sz page, and seen the demise of some real institutions of our hobby: sha tsui, jusco, and futian. zhuhai has also seen a similar demise on lian hua lu (lhl), and on tuesday night you could only spot the occasional rep001tered pair of girls who appeared to be available for short-time company. but thankfully, there is one mainstay that remains here in zhuhai. the saunas are thriving.

after only one evening of high-energy touring, i had amassed a collection of 5 or 6 saunas that were worthy of a visit. i owe this to johnnykon. johnny is a great wingman, and you should be counted lucky if he deems you as worthy of his wing-time. here follows a summary of what i have seen and done thus far in this town.

of the 6 or so saunas that i have visited thus far, around half have solid lineups. by that i mean that every lineup will have at least one or two that you start to fantasize about immediately upon laying eyes on her (because you are thinking about laying something else on her). the other half had so-so lineups, but i suspect that this could change depending on the time of the day and the day of the week. some have the roof racks for red ropes, and some do not. most have an in-room shower with a vinyl-covered bed inside, and the odd one has ordinary hotel rooms. the rates run from around 200 for happy hour prices, up to the 400 range. (disclaimer: i am only claiming knowledge on what i have seen, which is apparently only the tip of the hump).

dmy
the first place that i sampled is known as dmy to many. johnny called it the mcdonald’s of saunas, and there may be some truth in that analogy. there are a lot of girls there at night time, and lots of guys coming and cumming and going. i picked a girl from the first lineup that i saw. she did not even have a number tag, owing to the fact that she was new. johnny warned me that this had not been a good sign in his recent experience, but i ignored his advice because i was phase locked onto her tits.

yes indeedy do, she was new. her service was giggly and goofy, but she did keep her word and was open to the second pop request. this ended up being an optimistic request, by the way. i’m getting old. she had an ethnic look to her, and hailed from guizhou (hope that i got the “spelling” right). she had a perfect body, and scarcely a clue what she was doing. well, we all gotta learn somehow. the routine at dmy appears to be a soapy bath on the vinyl shower bed, followed by a an unscripted session in the sack.

i ended up leaving after only 70 minutes of a 90-minute session had expired. but that was not entirely attributable to her performance; i was still jet lagged as all fuck after a long plane ride in a small chair with a tiny tray that held nothing but shitty food. but all in all, it was a lot of fun. at the very least it was a revelation of something that i had often read about but never seen. at the most, it was a decent lay with a young and very cute girl. the cost for the 90-minute session was 268, all in.

new world
the second place that i sampled was called the new world. i had visited this place earlier in the week, and had a good feeling about it in general. really decent rooms, with decent lineups. there is a more scripted routine here, and to be honest i found myself losing my patience during some of the foreplay routine. but hell, i figured that for my first visit here i should let them show me what they had learned in entirety. i picked a cute gurl from dong bei, because she was tall and not too fragile. i don’t like to hear the word “tong” in mid-stroke.

the deal at new world is a soapy on the vinyl bed, followed by something called a cat bath, the fire-and-ice sucky sucky, and then on to the bumpy ride. now the cat bath…there is something unique. she takes a drink of tepid water, holds it in her mouth, and then does this vacuum-cleaner-slurpy-job all over your body. she draws air into her mouth with the water still in place, while mopping across you body. at first i wondered, “what the fuck is this?” and then she did that on the inside of my knees while i was lying face down on the regular bed, and i started to giggle like a schoolboy. it was weird, but in a really good way.

from there it went to a very scripted fire-and-ice bbbj, in which she would pause to switch between fire/ice modes every 45 seconds. she had nice tongue technique and i was aching to offer her a taste of some vintage imported milk, but the perfectly-timed pauses prevented me from doing so. she was truly a master of preventing a guy from planting seed on her tongue.

the sex was ok, although every position other than mish was discouraged. must have been a religious girl in her past life. and again, the word “tong” was heard when any new position was tried. i attribute this to one of two possibilities: one, i am bigger than her average joe. two, she gets a lot of tunnel traffic on a daily basis from guys named joe. either way, it was still a good time for sure in the end.

after the deed, she calmly laid beside me and started to quiz me about my home land. we shared some stories and dreams, and then i hinted that my little brother was starting to miss that talented mouth of hers. she complied, and then resumed the routine with the hot-and-cold water, which had the same prophylactic effect on orgasm as did the first.. but still, it beats watching cnn in the hotel room hands down. still a lot of fun, and something to remember.

more reports shall follow;
raz

European
04-21-07, 19:02
Jonny you mentioned in report #1144 the saune in Xiangzhou. I visited today and I must say 100% satisfied. I will visit again.

Thanks for the hint as well thanks for the biz card attached. It made it easy to find.

Member #2001
04-22-07, 11:02
I was there last weekend and seen about 6 of them on the prowel. It was kind of funny for me to see

I think these girls get some really good excersize running every 5 minutes when ever they see the police . I just sat at that bar on the corner and watched them. I approached one or tow of them and ask them how much with a translater and they said 300 rmb? wtf? no way am i paying that. They said it was because I am a lowai and that I am too big? Dont understant that either. I amybe tall for chinese but how do they know I have a big dick or not?

Anyway it looks like they are out there. well at least on that particular night they were. I might check it out again next weekend.

cya

OldAsiaHand
04-22-07, 16:33
Didn't you know that all laowais have huge dicks? And, we can fuck them for 3 hours straight. All the LHL girls will believe that if it means they can get 100RMB more from us.

I've never liked the LHL girls. Many are not very foreigner friendly and those that will go, try to get more money. It just pisses me off.

Just my POV.

OAH



I was there last weekend and seen about 6 of them on the prowel. It was kind of funny for me to see

I think these girls get some really good excersize running every 5 minutes when ever they see the police . I just sat at that bar on the corner and watched them. I approached one or tow of them and ask them how much with a translater and they said 300 rmb? wtf? no way am i paying that. They said it was because I am a lowai and that I am too big? Dont understant that either. I amybe tall for chinese but how do they know I have a big dick or not?

Anyway it looks like they are out there. well at least on that particular night they were. I might check it out again next weekend.

cya

Superforce99
04-23-07, 02:09
Jonny you mentioned in report #1144 the saune in Xiangzhou. I visited today and I must say 100% satisfied. I will visit again.

Thanks for the hint as well thanks for the biz card attached. It made it easy to find.


Great to hear, that's how the board is supposed to work.

Which gal (name and/or number) did you have, by the way?


J

Bill Lee
04-23-07, 02:23
Didn't you know that all laowais have huge dicks? And, we can fuck them for 3 hours straight...Just my POV.
OAH

OAH. I have been your buddy for too many years. But years of hearing you having a small laowai dick has me steamed.

I am now posting proof that OAH deservingly needs to be taxed by the infamous laowai huge dick tariff.

Don't thank me. Thank Santa for the proof. See below pic.

OAH, Forgive me and those standing next to you.

Bill

One Wing Low
04-23-07, 03:07
I cannot think of any luckier guy than Johnny Kon. He's living where the food is good and the pussies are pretty and cheap! Zhuhai is also quiet and fairly clean.

If he wants more selections he can always swing by DongGuan and Chang Ping. Damn.

Johnny is a good and caring guy, just my type. Will be back there soon to buy Johnny a few beers and talk girls.



Great to hear, that's how the board is supposed to work.

Which gal (name and/or number) did you have, by the way?


J

Fast Eddie 48
04-23-07, 16:43
I cannot think of any luckier guy than Johnny Kon. He's living where the food is good and the pussies are pretty and cheap! Zhuhai is also quiet and fairly clean.

If he wants more selections he can always swing by DongGuan and Chang Ping. Damn.

Johnny is a good and caring guy, just my type. Will be back there soon to buy Johnny a few beers and talk girls.


to OWL




I totally agree Zhu Hai is a Sauna paradise if I have to chose a city to live in Zhu Hai will be it , and don't forget about Macau is only across the border and Hong Kong is only one hr by ferry , I should of purchase a condo there 10yr ago good place to retire .




fast eddie 48

Ace Gallant
04-23-07, 17:37
I cannot think of any luckier guy than Johnny Kon. He's living where the food is good and the pussies are pretty and cheap! Zhuhai is also quiet and fairly clean.

If he wants more selections he can always swing by DongGuan and Chang Ping. Damn.

Johnny is a good and caring guy, just my type.

Now you are talking OWL!


AG

Santa
04-23-07, 22:42
OAH. I have been your buddy for too many years. But years of hearing you having a small laowai dick has me steamed.

I am now posting proof that OAH deservingly needs to be taxed by the infamous laowai huge dick tariff.

Don't thank me. Thank Santa for the proof. See below pic.

OAH, Forgive me and those standing next to you.

Bill

Damn it Bill, you shouldn't have posted that picture of OAH. Shouldn't you respect the guys privacy? Now everyone knows why the girls complain about him. TONG!!! :D

One Wing Low
04-23-07, 23:27
Hi Fast Eddie,

Shekou is also a very nice and green town, not bad to retire in.

How much would it cost to buy or to rent an apartment in Shekou vs. Zhuhai? It's probably very expensive now...

From Shekou, you can tap into a lot of girls in ShenZhen, Tangxia, Chang Ping, Zhuhai, HK etc...


to OWL
I totally agree Zhu Hai is a Sauna paradise if I have to chose a city to live in Zhu Hai will be it , and don't forget about Macau is only across the border and Hong Kong is only one hr by ferry , I should of purchase a condo there 10yr ago good place to retire .
fast eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48
04-24-07, 03:35
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Hi Fast Eddie,

Shekou is also a very nice and green town, not bad to retire in.



to OWL


Well 5 yr ago you can get a condo in CP for $24,000 usd about 800 sq ft 2 miles east of the train stations , 10 yr ago condo go for 18,000 usd for 1000
sq 2 bed rooms xinzhou area , I don't like shenzhen too many people and cost is way up already even 5 yr ago .

One place I look at is garden city in Shekou a few yr back II phase 1200 sq ft go for 45,000 usd I think is already up to 78,000 usd now I think they are building 4 phase now , I think is better to buy than rent you can always lease or rent it out 6 month at a time.


fast eddie 48

RasSpewtin
04-24-07, 10:24
I had a very interesting time at the Emerald City Sauna last night. Easy to find, as it is right next door to the Jusco. Not all rooms have soapy beds; mine didn’t and I wasn’t too concerned about it. The rates are 300, all in. Clean rooms, actually surprisingly nice rooms at this price point.

We saw two lineups, both of which had 2 or more girls that were worthy of consideration. I chose a little cutie from Guangxi, and then waited for the entertainment to begin.

Well, as it turns out “entertainment” is really the operative word here. From the moment that we stepped out of the shower, she focused entirely on giving me a performance. Now sometimes a scripted performance can put a damper on things, but not in this case. She had such an elaborate act that I never once considered asking her to stop so that we could get down to the dirty.

She started off by putting a disk in the DVD player, and deliberately selected a particular track for each act of her play. And what a play it was. In fact, I think that I will list all of the acts in order before I forget.

1. She toweled me down, and then spread the towel out like a carpet at one corner of the bed. Then she commenced a semi-cheesy little sexy dance, and the while making little moaning sounds that made me giggle more than once.
2. Now I laid on he bed, and she gave me an OK massage for around 10 or 15 minutes.
3. Now flipping onto my tummy, she did the cat-bath-slurpy thing all over the back, neck, and legs.
4. Then came the slide-massage, with her massaging various body parts with her upper body parts.
5. Onto my back again, and it was the cat-bath-slurpy for top side.
6. She jumped on the little love seat in the corner, and did a spread-eagle show much like you used to see on those sticky pages of Hustler magazine.
7. Out came the ice cubes and hot water, and it was time to make the little fella happy for a few minutes.
8. Time for setting up the red rope paraphernalia. She spent around 5 minutes tying it onto the roof rack with elaborate detail in the twisting and knotting of the red velvet contraption.
9. Back to the little fella, slurpy-slurpy until he stood up and said hello.
10. Now it was rim-time, with me crouching on all fours and her with the spray bottle of antibiotic that was applied liberally before and after each lick. My butt has never been that clean and happy before.
11. She literally climbed the wall at the head of the bed with her feet, while never letting my dick out of her mouth. I remember mumbling something astute, like “WOW!”.
12. Then a quick flip back, and her feet were in the red stirrups. Still not sure how she managed this. Fucking magic.
13. She would herself up about 4 turns and let go. Then she spun upside down in midair, with my dick still in her mouth. Really weird, but also kinda nice.
14. On with the raincoat, and more sprays of antibiotic to make sure.
15. Back up on the red ropes, which she had lowered to make a chair. She sat in the chair, and offered herself for some chair-swinging entry. Never tried this before.
16. Now it gets really inventive. She rolled face down on top of a large Pilates ball, placed her backside in position for easy action, and we went at it. Needless to say, never even thought of this act. Her choreographers should work for a porno version of Cirque de Soleis.
17. Then she flopped down on the bed, and put her hands on the floor beside the bed with her butt on the edge of the bed, and offered herself for entry declined doggy-style. Now this was an interesting position for sure.
18. Now over to mish, then doggy, and I forget the rest. Each position was punctuated with yet another blast or ten from the antibiotic spray bottle.
19. Then the word “tong” started coming out again. Damn, I gotta start picking the older and more robust girls instead of the petites.
20. To save her any more discomfort, I used the babysitter fantasy and popped in a matter of a few seconds. I am not sure what the exact words that she was uttering at the moment, but I imagined that they were, “If I promise to put the kids to bed on time, will you give me a tip?” Damn, that one always works for me.

All in all, it was an interesting experience to say the least. I will be going back for sure, and will try a larger framed girl who can’t pronounce the word “tong”.

Over and out;
Raz

BigLauda
04-25-07, 06:17
I was at LHL with some friends on the 18th from 12-2pm. Nothing at all. There was a gong ann truck at the end of LHL with a few cops standing there. The cabanas were without customers too. Sad state.

Allover
04-25-07, 07:41
Ras, Thanks for another great report. I have a question about Emerald City Sauna? Do you immediately get a line up, pick a girl, and go to the room? Or do you get a locker and hang around a common area with other mongers? I prefer a sauna where you chose and go to a room and have fun. I'm not interested in the other, non sex stuff some saunas offer.

RasSpewtin
04-25-07, 09:26
Allover:

Went straight into room. They brought 2 lineups into the room. No problem picking one that I was attracted to; selection was good.

Side Story:
I am also not into the locker room or steam room thing. I have visited a particular regular massage joint in Futian SZ nearly a hundred times. The drill there is that you go and shower first in a locker room area, and then put on the massage clothing before getting your foot massage in the da ting. I have nothing at all against the many Hong Kong guys that visited this massage place, but whenever I walked in, I generally got the look that said, "What the heck is this guai lo doing here alone without his host?" I would rather than they just joked with me in Chinese. But then again, when they saw that I was just there for the same good and cheap massage that drew them there, they would sometimes start to joke and share stories in the da ting massage area.

raz


Ras, Thanks for another great report. I have a question about Emerald City Sauna? Do you immediately get a line up, pick a girl, and go to the room? Or do you get a locker and hang around a common area with other mongers? I prefer a sauna where you chose and go to a room and have fun. I'm not interested in the other, non sex stuff some saunas offer.

Superforce99
04-26-07, 07:43
Been having a grand ole' time with my regular at JN Sauna (I posted a biz card scan a while back) and found out that my posting (and ISG postings in general) really do affect the market.

My regular was asking me if I introduced more "foreign friends" to come to JN sauna, because in the past few weeks, there have been about a half-dozen non-Asian foreigners. Anyone out there want to comment on your experience?

My regular said all the girls were a-flutter over a handsome blond-haired white dude earlier this week, too. Who's the handsome devil causing this stir? Ha ha....and, yes, your looks DO matter to these gals, after all, they watch TV, follow celebrities, and gossip/obsess about cute boys just like all young girls do.

One more note is that management had been getting complaints from some customers recently about mediocre/bad service, so all the gals were given a stern lecture about following every one of a 20-step sauna service routine (or face a hefty fine). If you've gone there already and then go there again starting today, you should notice a difference in service, from any gal (and the manager will quiz you on the service as you pay at the front desk, which is somewhat weird and uncomfortable in my opinion). Price is still the same at 288 RMB for 90 min.


J


PS. If any of you are interested in trying out the Emerald City Sauna that Raz mentions, please let me know and I can book a room for you since I know one of the female managers. If enough of you guys book through her, then I can get us all a discount in the future...goes the same for foot massage, body massage, and hotel room booking, too. (the Emerald City has pretty good foot/body massage services and great quality rooms at less than 200 RMB/night)

One Wing Low
04-26-07, 21:55
I went to the ChangAn sauna with Johnny Kon and Night Cat to check out the supposedly best line up in town.

The girls would all look down at the floor, avoiding all eye contact with us, while greeting us in unison. They kept their eyes down the floor while announcing their names and their hometowns. When dismissed, the girls seemed a lot happier among themselves, kidding with each other n the way out.

Sitting at the bar, Night Cat and I had a debate as to how the girls felt when they acted that way in front of us. Night Cat insisted that we should do careful research for empirical evidences by asking the subjects first hand. He never mentioned how many girls in how many saunas in how many cities he would have to interview to make his conclusions valid. He did not tell me he had a XiaoJie GF before, nor did he tell me about his conclusions.

I think the saunas girls were trained by the Chang An management to act in submissive postures in front of prospective mongers, to improve their chances of being taken for the services. Girls at other saunas dont act all in same ways but they look mostly serious and distant, whereas the KTV girls are usually more relaxed, closer, more fun with their customers.

To me the well-rehearsed and rigidly-structured routines by the sauna girls just kill off any possible romantic feelings. I would never wanna romance and fuck programmed machines, but would understand how some programmers and engineers would prefer to date well-programmed, well-oiled machines, which respond in highly preditable ways to stimuli, and can be commanded into highly aroused and orgasmic states with a flip of a switch, hehehe...

I would much rather find new and distinct personalities among the girls, and different ways they respond to my emotional and physical needs, i.e. love and sex...

Varieties do make my life much more enjoyable..

Superforce99
04-27-07, 02:08
I went to the ChangAn sauna with Johnny Kon and Night Cat to check out the supposedly best line up in town.


OWL,

Hopefully, you didn't get this idea from me since I don't believe Chang An Good World (there are 3 different Chang An Hotels in ZH and I brought you to CAGW) is the best in town by a long shot. I will say that if you are staying nearby LHL, then CAGW is a good choice because it's located minutes from the LHL open-air cafes ("green umbrella cafes" is just so inaccurate a description that I can't use it anymore), the rooms are much nicer than the other Gongbei area saunas, and the girls are, on average, better looking than the other Gongbei area saunas. The price is about 100 RMB more than other nearby saunas though.

If you have the time and inclination to travel outside the Gongbei area next time you're in town (I find many mongers are not) then I'll show you some other places that will pleasantly surprise you....


J

Night Cat
04-27-07, 12:24
Since I was mentioned in this post, I will respond.


Sitting at the bar, Night Cat and I had a debate as to how the girls felt when they acted that way in front of us. Night Cat insisted that we should do careful research for empirical evidences by asking the subjects first hand. He never mentioned how many girls in how many saunas in how many cities he would have to interview to make his conclusions valid. He did not tell me he had a XiaoJie GF before, nor did he tell me about his conclusions.

My point was that sitting around and imagining what another person is experiencing (like imagining that a given xiaojie feels miserable) is just BS. If you're interested to know what a girl is experiencing, talk to her. She's not like a TV or a magazine, she is really there, you can talk to her.

This is not about "research" or "empirical evidence" as you call it, it's about relating to a person. I highly recommend doing that, but it's up to you. If you don't, your chances of understanding the reality of a girl's situation is nearly zero. Maybe you prefer imagination, but I find it less interesting than reality.

That's the main conclusion I reached from having a xiaojie GF.

I do agree with your point about the sauna girls. The high-volume girls with highly-structured routines seem less likely to be playful and friendly in a natural way. Just my POV. YMMV.

RasSpewtin
04-27-07, 19:13
One Wing Low:

The statement below has a few sweeping generalizations that I would like to comment on:

1. In any new city, I find that it takes some time before you can figure out the venues where you are most likely to find a good GFE. Until that time arrives for me in Zhuhai, I will be content to enjoy experiences such as I reported on.

2. If you already know of a place in Zhuhai that has some good GFE action, then by all means clue me in, please. The LHL scene is dead. Yes, some KTV girls can be GFE, but my budget is not so keen to the 1,000 to 2,000 RMB that you can easily drop at a KTV (and that may not even include her LT fee, depending on your tipping style for the various staff with open palms).

3. Ummhh, maybe it is best not to make too many generalizations about the preferences of guys with specific professions. Just my POV.

Cheers!
Raz


To me the well-rehearsed and rigidly-structured routines by the sauna girls just kill off any possible romantic feelings. I would never wanna romance and fuck programmed machines, but would understand how some programmers and engineers would prefer to date well-programmed, well-oiled machines, which respond in highly preditable ways to stimuli, and can be commanded into highly aroused and orgasmic states with a flip of a switch, hehehe...

Amboyplayer
04-28-07, 02:16
I was scammed April 4, 2007 near to LHL in ZHUHAI.

This can be avoided.

The girl quoted low price 100 RMB on the street 1 block from LHL and GD (big one).
She took me to a barren room which made me suspicious. Quite clean and with only basic furnishings, not well worn like many places I've seen before that girls operate from.

She showered me but remained clothed because we had no condoms and she'll run out to get them while I showered. Dumb ass me. She gaped at the size of the dick and washed it well. Then she really lathered me up to buy time so she could pinch my cash wad out of my pocket whilst presumably going out to buy condoms. It took me a couple minutes to wash off. At this point I dried off and waited for her on the bed naked, crime undiscovered. As 15 minutes pass I become curious why it takes so long. Dumb ass again. Should have just gone.

The front door opens and then two chinese guys come into the room. They are on the phone in chinese and I am still naked. They motion for me to dress quickly and go with them.

They have not ID'd themselves, so I'm not sure if they're street undercover or just her security guys or her strongarm partners. I act apologetic as I'm at a clear self-appointed disadvantage. I dress, they escort me out of the building without incident. Then I look at the main guy giving orders and say "OK?" and he says "OK." then I go and discover my money missing. I'm glad she didn't take my mobile and digital camera. and she didn't find the money IN MY SHOE!

Morals of the story:

1. If it's too good to be true...(100 rmb) Maybe it is
2. Money in the sock.
3. No girl alone with my stuff.

Ace Gallant
04-28-07, 06:16
One Wing Low:

The statement below has a few sweeping generalizations that I would like to comment on:

1. In any new city, I find that it takes some time before you can figure out the venues where you are most likely to find a good GFE. Until that time arrives for me in Zhuhai, I will be content to enjoy experiences such as I reported on.

2. If you already know of a place in Zhuhai that has some good GFE action, then by all means clue me in, please. The LHL scene is dead. Yes, some KTV girls can be GFE, but my budget is not so keen to the 1,000 to 2,000 RMB that you can easily drop at a KTV (and that may not even include her LT fee, depending on your tipping style for the various staff with open palms).

3. Ummhh, maybe it is best not to make too many generalizations about the preferences of guys with specific professions. Just my POV.

Cheers!
Raz


Let's just say that different people have their preference of different types of pussies or different places to get them.

A foreigner who live in China or spend most of the time in China will have his preference different from a person who is just visiting.

As age is catching up on me, I had sometime found that it is sometimes to tiring to go out to hunt. Sometimes I even resort to picking up the phone and call for the mama to send over the best looking girl/s she have. That will cost me more, but hell! What the fxxk! I just want to release the tension in my balls! However sometimes, I am nasty enough to even refuse to contribute another 20RMB to the mama’s commission.

Enjoy!
AG

Superforce99
04-28-07, 08:59
Ok, Ok, all of you foreigners out there in ZH...

I had another talk with my regular cutie at this place and got more interesting tidbits from her that I wanted to share. First of all, there has been a noticable infux of foreigners coming to this sauna, from maybe "few-to-none" before I posted the business card, to "2-3 per week", which is a gi-normous increase. Again, I guess I just shouldn't be surprised since anyone can read this forum and use/not use the information posted....I've personally told about 3-4 people about this place, so the majority of foreigners coming here must have gotten the info from my posting. There sure are a lot of lurkers in ZH...

Secondly, for most foreigners out there coming to this sauna (I had a 45 minute conversation with her about the sudden influx of foreigners and she seemed interested to talk to me about it, along with several of her workmates), I hate to break it to you, but the girls are afraid of you in general. Not intersted, not curious, not intrigued...just afraid. Why are they afraid? Big cocks? No, not really. It actually has to do with Viagra and other erectile drugs. They notice immediately that the foreigner customers take these drugs (which I laughingly confirmed to their collective horror) and, hence, fuck for much longer periods of time than the average Chinese customer (most of whom may take some Chinese herbal suppliments, but nothing resulting in the stainless-steel-hard-meat-obelisk that V gives most men). This is a job these gals are doing for money, not for pleasure, so they do not want the sex to last any longer than necessary. As a sauna customer, you do whatever you want, but I just wanted to put it out there that pounding these gals for 60-70 minutes is not a dream come true for any of them.

Thirdly, a lot of foreigners want to make friends and meet outside of the sauna with these gals. Many of the foreigners can't communicate in Chinese. The girls know the main reason is to eventually fuck outside of the sauna. They are afraid of this. Why? Going to your hotel/apartment puts them in an "unknown" enviorment outside the safety of the sauna facilities and anything can happen, particularly bad things. And, ofcourse, look back to the reason mentioned above...they don't want to be Viagra-rized for 60-70 minutes outside the sauna anymore than they want to in the sauna.


It was fun and interesting talking with her and her collegues and I just wanted to share some of the highlights from our chat that may or may not be what you expected from these gals.


J


PS. "Tall, pale white guy with low-level Chinese" who was with my regular gal recently, I'm glad you treated her well.

Superforce99
04-28-07, 09:13
And for those of you who are confused (there are several) Jiang Nan Sauna and Emerald City Sauna (the one in Raz's report) is NOT the same place.


J

OldAsiaHand
04-28-07, 13:24
As a sauna customer, you do whatever you want, but I just wanted to put it out there that pounding these gals for 60-70 minutes is not a dream come true for any of them.



Johnny:

Only in my dreams. I only wish even with the V. Did they have any personal experiences or only their perception?

OAH

Superforce99
04-29-07, 02:54
Johnny:

Only in my dreams. I only wish even with the V. Did they have any personal experiences or only their perception?

OAH


My regular hasn't (and she takes herself out of lineups when she knows there is a foreigner customer, the assistant manager lets this slide but not the actual manager) but 3-4 of her half-dozen workmates have. I'm not saying I totally believe them or don't believe them, that was just what they told me.

When I first took Viagra for recreational purposes, I actually fucked for 45-50 minutes non-stop and it was a ***** to finally fire off the man yogurt, and when I did, I was still hard. I was trying like a madman to come but it still took almost an hour, so therefore, I could see how some mongers who take V could purposely go the distance for 60-70 minutes straight. The overly stiff penis sensation, inability to control it, and side effects are why I haven't used V for years now. But I'm also sure there are mongers out there who have a good level of control when on V so to each their own.

But the main point I got from the chat was that those specific sauna gals (and a sizeable number of other gals in the biz I suppose) see most non-Chinese foreigners as: more polite than average Chinese men, bigger/taller/odd smelling than average Chinese men, bigger penises/bigger sexual appetite than average Chinese men, and more generous than average Chinese men. And now you can add to that list: more annyoing as customers than average Chinese because of their use of erectile dysfunction drugs resulting in extended sexual poundings.


J

Santa
04-29-07, 05:04
I was scammed April 4, 2007 near to LHL in ZHUHAI.

This can be avoided.

The girl quoted low price 100 RMB on the street 1 block from LHL and GD (big one).
She took me to a barren room which made me suspicious. .

Rule #1. Don't follow street touts.

Rule #2. Don't follow a streetwalker to her place. Take her to your hotel.

Rule #3. When mongering, keep your money and valuables locked in the hotel safe.

Rule #4. Keep a good photocopy of your visa and passport with you. If busted by the LE they will probably let you go, but without an ID they must take you to the station.

Thanks for the warning Amboyplayer.

Superforce99
04-29-07, 07:24
I was talking to my regular again and she was laughing about how there was a group of 7 Japanese mongers who visited Jiang Nan Sauna this weekend. No Chinese ability and they tried to communicate in Japanese/English/sign language, to the amusement of the gals.

Don't know if you 7 got the info from this board, but the implications of posting specific info keep getting more and more interesting (for me, anyway)...


J


PS. That's it for my posts about Jiang Nan, there are plenty more ZH topics that of interest/use.

One Wing Low
04-30-07, 00:19
Hi Raz,


One Wing Low:
2. If you already know of a place in Zhuhai that has some good GFE action, then by all means clue me in, please.

I hear you about the high costs of KTV. Johnny Kon has a few numbers of Mamasans and girls who may be better alternatives.



3. Ummhh, maybe it is best not to make too many generalizations about the preferences of guys with specific professions. Just my POV.
Raz
I was just ribbing Night Cat, who 's been trying to write C programs to produce massive orgasms for any girls who would pay...

Traveler1234
04-30-07, 00:29
One Wing Low:

The statement below has a few sweeping generalizations that I would like to comment on:

3. Ummhh, maybe it is best not to make too many generalizations about the preferences of guys with specific professions. Just my POV.

Cheers!
Raz

Sorry again for the intrusion - just RTFF for upcoming visit to southern China, exchanging some PM with the resident senior experts and so been reading the China board with gusto :)

I'm sure OWL won't mind if i disclose that in real life he is a professional photographer and specializes in KTV action shots....ROFLMAO.

One Wing Low
04-30-07, 06:52
Sorry to disappoint you but I am not a professional photographer. I carry a small camera in my pocket and take thousands of pictures everywhere I go, like a paparazzi...

The KTV pics were not mine, taken by someone I dont know. I was given the pics as examples of what good KTV parties should be. I was told the KTV was in Chong Qing. I have my own pics of a very raunchy KTV party with nude girls and guys. I will post them as soon as I find a software that would let me blur out the faces.

How about some pics of Ling Ling at the Sheraton DongGuan KTV??? A lot of guys thought she's very pretty...


I'm sure OWL won't mind if i disclose that in real life he is a professional photographer and specializes in KTV action shots....ROFLMAO.

Zhuhaifan
04-30-07, 07:40
This is really depressing. Will the LHL crackdown ever end? I'm not a big fan of the sauna scene myself. If this continues, I'm probably going to cancel my Zhuhai vacation for next month. Might as well just stick with HK and Macao.

Kef321
05-01-07, 05:26
This is really depressing. Will the LHL crackdown ever end? I'm not a big fan of the sauna scene myself. If this continues, I'm probably going to cancel my Zhuhai vacation for next month. Might as well just stick with HK and Macao.Hey a few of us are going down to Zhuhai on 6/1-6/15. I have a list down of places to go and probably meet up with a local member. PM me if you're interested, it's more fun in numbers.

Manfest
05-03-07, 19:37
I have my own pics of a very raunchy KTV party with nude girls and guys. I will post them as soon as I find a software that would let me blur out the faces.


OWL, I always appreciate any picture postings. Yours are very nice. If you have the MS Office suite (including Word, Excel, Powerpoint), then you can use powerpoint to block out faces. Most computers have this preloaded already. Cheers.

One Wing Low
05-03-07, 19:50
I posted a few pics of the KTV girls who stripped in the ShenZhen thread.


OWL, I always appreciate any picture postings. Yours are very nice. If you have the MS Office suite (including Word, Excel, Powerpoint), then you can use powerpoint to block out faces. Most computers have this preloaded already. Cheers.

Weelock
05-06-07, 21:19
Where has all the Zhuhai, LHL girls gone to?

I was in Macau during the Chinese Holiday during the first week of May 07. Saw about 20-25 SW behind Holiday Inn. I recognized one of girls from LHL because she knows JohnnyKon666. I think Johnny did her a few times. Then later another SW recognized me from Zhuhai. At first I did not believe her until Johnny’s old girlfriend came over and said both of them walked the streets on LHL before. There was a lot more said but my Mandarin is not the greatest.

Hotels in Macau are expensive. Normally 3-4 star hotels runs for about 350-600HKD. During the holiday it was about 900-1400 a night.

EDIT: Most of the girls want to go over to HK or Macau to make more. I already knew the opening price for SW behind was about 500HKD. On LHL it only 200RMB.

Ace Gallant
05-07-07, 02:33
Where has all the Zhuhai, LHL girls gone to?

I was in Macau during the Chinese Holiday during the first week of May. Saw about 20-25 SW behind Holiday Inn. I recognized one of girls from LHL because she knows JohnnyKon666. I think Johnny did her a few times. Then later another SW recognized me from Zhuhai. At first I did not believe her until Johnny’s old girlfriend came over and said both of them walked the streets on LHL before. There was a lot more said but my Mandarin is not the greatest.

Hotels in Macau are expensive. Normally 3-4 star hotels runs for about 350-600HKD. During the holiday it was about 900-1400 a night.

I don't think it is that easy for those girls to get a permit to go over from ZH to Macau. Perhaps that's is why you only saw one or two of them there?

Enjoy!
AG

Superforce99
05-09-07, 06:49
The LHL pantry is still pretty much bare...only a few singular SWs patrolling discreetly. Essentially, a wasteland. This crackdown has been on a while now (although there are unexplaned times where there are temporary time warps, like Friday and Saturday before the May holidays, where LHL was almost like old times but then it quickly transforms back to barren desert again) and I have no idea what's up. I've been testing my LHL numbers regularly for ISG members visiting Zhuhai, so I've still got a dozen or so working numbers, but every time I bust them out, a few more no longer work, so I my LHL resources are quickly approaching expiration date. But for myself, I haven't done LHL gals in months now (moved on to other pastures) so I haven't been able to replenish as I usually do. Even the girls at the outdoor cafes are getting worse and worse looking...it's seriously become a dog show because less and less LHL gals = less mongers on LHL = less business at the outdoor cafes = cafe bosses paying less money to hire ugly gals. Unfortunate trickle-down effect...


But that being said, Zhuhai is still full of non-LHL opportunities like BBS, countless saunas, disco/bar freelancers, KTV, and regular freebies, so don't dispair if you're thinking about coming.


J


PS. I wish Weelock had a better description of "my old girlfriend (from LHL)" that he saw in Macau. Describing a girl as "very slim and petite, and from somewhere in China" is just a bit (or many bits) too general...

PPS. Weebock must have stolen Nightcat's "crackdown black cloud" and brought it to Zhuhai this week. I brought Weerock to the Xin Xiangzhou BBSs I posted about only to see a police SUV with flashing lights sitting squarely in front of the row of empty BBSs...

Weelock
05-09-07, 09:10
PS. I wish Weelock had a better description of "my old girlfriend (from LHL)" that he saw in Macau. Describing a girl as "very slim and petite, and from somewhere in China" is just a bit (or many bits) too general...

PPS. Weebock must have stolen Nightcat's "crackdown black cloud" and brought it to Zhuhai this week. I brought Weerock to the Xin Xiangzhou BBSs I posted about only to see a police SUV with flashing lights sitting squarely in front of the row of empty BBSs...

To 666,

Good for you, I think I found her number for you. She is a very small, skinny girl, very little or no upper body what soever. She could pass for 16-17 easily because of her size. Luckily, she is not my type and our taste in girls are not the same.

What "crackdown black cloud", I was on LHL last year during the May Holiday and it was hopping. There had more girls than normal because of the holiday. In my opionion, what I saw in Xin Xiangzhou were ONLY 4-5 BBS. Not worth crying about. Sha Tsui and Juscco BBS in Shenzhen are worth crying over.


I noticed since the last time I was at LHL 5 months ago, the LE/security installed a new station in the middle of LHL with camera monitors. I could see they zooming in and out looking for activities. There are about 6-7 monitors facing the LHL. You can see the LE/security's backs. It's kind of strange for them to face the monitors where everyone else can see what's happening. The monitors are clearly noticeable at night.

AG,

Yes it's hard for them to get visa to Macau. Since I'm not a regular to LHL, I did not reconize anymore of the girls. It has been a few months since I have been to LHL. In other words, there might have been a few more girls from LHL in Macau.

One Wing Low
05-09-07, 23:21
Please translate this note.

I am trying to line up appointments for my next visit to Zhuhai.

Tiger 888
05-10-07, 02:35
Please translate this note.

I am trying to line up appointments for my next visit to Zhuhai.
She asks you where do you come from.
ni3 shi4 na4 li3 ren2 ?

Ace Gallant
05-10-07, 05:11
She asks you where do you come from.
ni3 shi4 na4 li3 ren2 ?

Uhh..... little correction....

Ni3 Shi4 Na2 Li3 Ren2?

Na is second sound not fourth.

AG

One Wing Low
05-10-07, 06:08
Why Johnny Kon keeps paying big money plus big tips for old ugly girls and still could not get it up...

hehehehe



She asks you where do you come from.
ni3 shi4 na4 li3 ren2 ?

Weelock
05-11-07, 06:29
Please translate this note.

I am trying to line up appointments for my next visit to Zhuhai.

What's her phone number? Let me ask her. He, He, He.......

Suggest taking a BASIC course in Chinese. The first few words are very elementary 1st grade level.

Member #2001
05-11-07, 09:34
I was wondering if anyone out there know of any good bbs places in Zhuhia. Please post here of pm me

thanks

One Wing Low
05-11-07, 18:39
" Why is your dick so tiny???"

I am trying to learn enough Chinese to explain to her that mine, while modest, is still about twice as large as Johnny's... hehehe.

This girl Bin Bin is pretty and nice. I think she's still in ZH. Johnny has her tel.



What's her phone number? Let me ask her. He, He, He.......

Suggest taking a BASIC course in Chinese. The first few words are very elementary 1st grade level.

One Wing Low
05-12-07, 08:01
I was dicking around Zhuhai so I asked the pharmacy next to he Guandong Regency for some Cialis. They had 50mG pills, about US$10 for a bottle of 10.

I thought this Cialis must be fake, but I wanted to check it out so I bought it. Well, I did some scientific test and found the Chinese Cialis did work similarly to genuine Cialis pills I bough before. About 10 min after taking the pill, you will feel a heat flush on your face and then your torso, then with a little stimulation, Your dick will quickly stand at attention for more than a day. Not bad for $1 per pill.

The shop is the pharmacy next to the GD Regency on LHL. The guy also sells all kinds of telephone there.

Keep in mind that I dont need the damn pills. I was just doing a scientific experiment to help my bros who want to have the 36-hour erection.

Weelock
05-12-07, 08:05
" why is your dick so tiny???"

i am trying to learn enough chinese to explain to her that mine, while modest, is still about twice as large as johnny's... hehehe.

this girl bin bin is pretty and nice. i think she's still in zh. johnny has her tel.

thanks for the complement. i wonder who told you, unless you have been peeking behind our asses. you have not been reading the board. working girls do not like guys with big dicks especially chinese girls. working girls hate guys with a big dick.

you must have a big dick to brag about it. humm, "twice as large as johnny's"? now i know why you always have to overpay with a big surge charge.

Fast Eddie 48
05-12-07, 08:07
Keep in mind that I dont need the damn pills. I was just doing a scientific experiment to help my bros who want to have the 36-hour erection.To OWL,

You are a very nice guy to use your self as a guinea pig for the member if ISG next time that I need a scientific experiment I will contact you.

Fast eddie 48

Frankle
05-12-07, 11:18
Uhh, little correction.

Ni3 Shi4 Na2 Li3 Ren2?

Na is second sound not fourth.

AGMy dictionary says it's na3 and either li or li3, depending on what follows. Man what a confusung language.

One Wing Low
05-12-07, 16:10
Send all your girl friends to my room. I will find out what size, shape, body odor, hairiness... give me the biggest erection....



To OWL,

You are a very nice guy to use your self as a guinea pig for the member if ISG next time that I need a scientific experiment I will contact you.

Fast eddie 48

Ace Gallant
05-13-07, 01:17
My dictionary says it's na3 and either li or li3, depending on what follows. Man what a confusung language.

Frankle,

Dictionary sometime can be wrong too.

Although 哪 is suppose to be second sound Na2, it is used as the fourth sound Na4 if it the chareacter is used as the last words of the sentence. However the Beijing ascent, it is Na3 third sound. So the dictionary you used must be publising in Beijing?

BTW: I am a ABC and Although my Mandarin is not that perfect, I sometimes get confused by the local accent too.

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
05-13-07, 05:32
I am glad it is that complicated. I actually would have used second, but because my mandarin is not so good, I looked it up in a tool that said 4th. (I wanted to post the tones because pinyin without tones is no use at all). Now that I looked it up again, see that the inputmethod of my computer is not that perfect. when I type nali I would expect the right characters to show up. It was too early in the morning for me so I overlooked that I got this na4 那. BTW even if the dictionary says na3, it will be pronounced as 2 before another 3.

Here is a very good site with many tools to look up characters and convert between the different encodings, like GB to Unicode or simplified to traditional....

www.mandarintools.com

Yes its complicated.

The word 那 can be pronouned Na2, Na3 or Na4.

In the case, of 那里? is Na2 Li3 = Where?
In the case of 那里! is Na4 Li3 = There!
In the case of 那里??? is Na3 Li3 = Huh? Where???? (Sound like the Japanese Nani? = What?)

Different tones gives you different meanings.

In this case, the girl who wrote that, remember she is likely that she had not even finish high school and therefore she use the character "哪". This character is not usually use in the middle of the sentence but as an exclaimation at the end of the sentence. Like "There you go!" is "哪!" (Na4) or when someone pointed his middle finger at you; she will say "哪!" (Na4) :D . In the case where she wrote 哪里 Na2 Li3 actually means 那里?

Overall a lot of time, it all depends on what is the situation and what is the person trying to say.

Hmm..... I've just realised that I had turn myself into a Chinese teacher???

OK... enough of Chinese lessons... back to Sex and the City!

Enjoy!
AG

Erik
05-13-07, 15:09
Sorry Ace galant, I can't quite agree with your pronunciation of 那 and 哪. Please check your dictionary again. Unless you learned Chinese in Taiwan, they do have a few strange prononciations out there. Tiger, you are right to give precedence to the rules pblished by the people's editors, because it is THE standard for 1,3 billion Chinese (nearly half of them being female), and not only a Beijing thing.
But I suggest we transfer this discussion in the Language thread.

Ace Gallant
05-14-07, 01:20
Sorry Ace galant, I can't quite agree with your pronunciation of 那 and 哪. Please check your dictionary again. Unless you learned Chinese in Taiwan, they do have a few strange prononciations out there. Tiger, you are right to give precedence to the rules pblished by the people's editors, because it is THE standard for 1,3 billion Chinese (nearly half of them being female), and not only a Beijing thing.
But I suggest we transfer this discussion in the Language thread.

Discussion transfered to Language Thread.

AG

Superforce99
05-14-07, 03:02
Damn you OWL! Look at the BS you started in the ZH board, but I guess every thread is getting dragged into it...



...On a mongering related note, the LHL girls are still not out in great numbers during "regular people" hours (4pm-11pm) but around 2am, there are from 15-20 gals patrolling.

Now, whenever I think about the small physical size and population of Zhuhai and then thinking about the relative number of sauna, KTV, BBS, and LHL workers, I can't help but estimate that more than 25% of the young, decent-looking gals in this city are involved in P4P in some way or other which is incredible. There are also plenty of regular gals who know that they have to compete against these P4P gals, too, so it actually makes things even better for guys in a dating/fucking scenario, in my opinion. And with the hot summer weather, a stroll through any crowded area reveals a much-higher-than-average number of sexy young gals in sexy summer clothing strutting their stuff....can't help but smile on a daily basis when in ZH...anyway, before I got off point, I was trying to address the fact that there are a LOT of gals in P4P making a LOT more than the average gal with a salesgirl/waitress/ect. job. With P4P influence looming large everyday and everywhere I knew that there must be lots of these average gals wanting a piece of the action but not exactly wanting to dive head-in and become a full-time sex worker.

Now, the question, ofcourse is where to find them or where to let them find you? These type of gals wouldn't want to patrol LHL or stand on the streets....but, hitting all the resources I had, eventually found a source and am happy to say that these "regular" gals are similar to what you would expect...somewhat nervous, somewhat excited, somewhat joking around, not very experienced sexually, and provide a fresh, innocent sexual experience (which I like occassionally, but not regularly). I guess you could hit on salesgirl/waitress/ect. on a regular basis and eventually get the same result, or you could be a lazy bastard like me and pay 150-200 RMB for a single experience without as many issues of time/money/BF-connotations.

For those of you senior member who know me or are in ZH, I have no problem sharing. For those of you not...well...from what I see on the ZH board, I should choose to be selective on what info to post because it hasn't really been an "exchange" of information for a long time now and the lack of new/useful/relevant information is ridiculous...take the last 10 posts for example.

Anyway, keep in mind that more than a few (but I wouldn't say a majority) of the cute salesgirls/waitresses/ect. are willing and/or eager to try P4P, so don't discount it....and ofcourse, it goes without saying that a majority of this group of gals are more willing/eager to have a nice, regular boyfriend to treat them well and fuck. But I'll leave that to the nice, regular BFs out there...


J

Superforce99
05-14-07, 07:33
A hint for those of you taking LHL gals ST and live in a hotel around the LHL area (*hint* *hint*, Weelock)...you DON'T need to give "taxi money" on top the of usual 200 RMB amount...they all live within a 5-10 minute walk from LHL and after a ST, they will just go back out to LHL anyway.

Might as well tell the gal it's a tip and not taxi money, otherwise they'll think you're a fucking idiot...


J

RasSpewtin
05-15-07, 09:56
Yes indeed, there are some fine part-time girls to be found in Zhuhai. We’re talking about sweet young ladies that have day jobs, and only play for pay when they succumb to the urge to make some extra coin.

Last night was a bit of a treat. A cute and smiling petite girl, who looked Filipina but spoke Mandarin and Canto. A bouncing little package of fun. Unlike her sauna sisters, her little moans and squeals during the dirty seemed quite genuine, lacking the necessary rehearsal to sound over-the-top pornographic. I actually think that she liked having some fun too!

She seemed proudly pleased when I popped, and immediately threw her arms out and made those V-for-Victory signs that Chinese girls always like to make when they pose for pictures. She was either having some real fun, or she was a damn good amateur actor. And since I get to be director, I will believe the former.

Afterward she bounced around the room, repeating a phrase in English that I couldn’t quite make out. All I knew is that her giggling and happy demeanor had made my day. I slipped 200 RMB plus 20 taxi tip into her pocket as she was ready to leave, as she seemed absolutely thrilled to receive it. Simply great attitude all around.

The next day, she texted me in Chinese and English with the same phrase that I had not fully understood the night before: “I am happy. I am young!” Yes and amen to both.

This part-timer resource is a virtual gold mine, and I am buying the best pick and shovel that money can buy.

Raz

Weelock
05-15-07, 12:30
A hint for those of you taking LHL gals ST and live in a hotel around the LHL area (*hint* *hint*, Weelock)...you DON'T need to give "taxi money" on top the of usual 200 RMB amount...they all live within a 5-10 minute walk from LHL and after a ST, they will just go back out to LHL anyway.

Might as well tell the gal it's a tip and not taxi money, otherwise they'll think you're a fucking idiot...


J

Wait a minute, didn't you tell me to tip a lady bicycle cab driver 20RMB. Then if I want to tip a girl a little ONLY for good service/cab far/extra then I'm idiot. Boy some cheapo. In your opinion, it sounds like it's OK to tip the lady bicycle cabbie and NOTHING to the girls. We talked about it on the phone. You have to make a point to publish it openly with my name and to reemphasize about it. It would have been fine to publish WITHOUT my name attach to the post to let other people know about it because it's you opinion. It would have been fine since I would have been reading it also. The way you write about it sound like I am idiot for just giving a few extra dollar for ONLY for good service. Sorry, for spoiling the damn market for good service. In my opinion, you should tip something for good service on top of the 200RMB. The way you make it sounds like if I only gave an one dollar tip, I'm wrong. In your case don't tip for anything.

Then you are wrong, not all of the live near LHL. I was with another monger last year and we saw two of working girls took a cab home from LHL. She told me she live far away and not close to LHL. She tried to go home with me and I said NO to her several times.

Superforce99
05-16-07, 05:14
Wait a minute, didn't you tell me to tip a lady bicycle cab driver 20RMB. Then if I want to tip a girl a little ONLY for good service/cab far/extra then I'm idiot. Boy some cheapo. In your opinion, it sounds like it's OK to tip the lady bicycle cabbie and NOTHING to the girls. We talked about it on the phone. You have to make a point to publish it openly with my name and to reemphasize about it. It would have been fine to publish WITHOUT my name attach to the post to let other people know about it because it's you opinion. It would have been fine since I would have been reading it also. The way you write about it sound like I am idiot for just giving a few extra dollar for ONLY for good service. Sorry, for spoiling the damn market for good service. In my opinion, you should tip something for good service on top of the 200RMB. The way you make it sounds like if I only gave an one dollar tip, I'm wrong. In your case don't tip for anything.

Then you are wrong, not all of the live near LHL. I was with another monger last year and we saw two of working girls took a cab home from LHL. She told me she live far away and not close to LHL. She tried to go home with me and I said NO to her several times.


I was semi-joking around with you because:

1. you told me yourself the gal's service was "kind of rushed"...which doesn't sound worthy of tipping. And I was trying to make a point of not giving LHL gals "taxi money" if you do them anywhere near LHL because they will think you're a dumbass and it's bad precedent; I suggested that you call the extra money a "tip for good service" instead of "taxi money" for this reason. You can develop a reputation with LHL gal damn fast and, yes, they all talk amongst each other and they have good memories. Yes, I know my reputation among these gals, and I have asked about yours, too. Ha ha, with the sheer number of hours you have spent at the open-air cafes, you shouldn't be surprised that a LOT of LHL gals know you by face already...

And the majority of LHL gals live within walking distance from LHL, probably 99%, but ofcourse there are the odd few who live far away, but even then, these gals usually don't ask for taxi money.

2. the 20 RMB for the bicycle lady was because she had took my friend and I on a 20-minute tour BEFORE you came and then she took us around for another 10-15 minutes after you arrived. So it wasn't a tip, it's the fee I would have paid her for biking my ass (and two friends) around for almost an hour. And she called up half a dozen gals for me to choose from.


OK, now in trying to add something of use to the Zhuhai thread:

Walking around LHL to enjoy the comfortable nighttime weather (seriously!) a pair of gals walked up to my friend and I and tried to propose ST. One was pretty friendly, to the point of joking around and grabbing my ass which is not the usual way it goes. Then I realized she was a regular I used to do, actually part of a group that Weelock mentioned he had seen in Macau. I talked to her about this and apparently the Zhuhai crackdown has pushed a lot of these gals to work on short stints in Macau now, since the police don't crackdown as much over there. Then they come back to Zhuhai to work a short stint while they renew their Macau visas. Also, there are many gals who work around LHL now and not directly on the main strip near the open-air cafes. You'll need to walk around the Yindo Hotel area and the Guangdong Regency Hotel, too.

Her friend was relatively new, having worked the streets for 2-3 months. Looked fresh, innocent, and very cute without makeup. A curvy gal with some meat, she was about 5'4, shoulder length straight black hair, nice big 34C breasts, and a great smile and attitude. I would have fucked her without a second thought but I had other committments...and I knew a buddy who would be eat her up (in more ways than one). Gave her a pep talk to give "extremely good service" that may/may not lead to LT and dropped her off at his hotel. I'll let my buddy report on his experience if he so wishes.

So, anyway, even though LHL is very different, very quiet compared to just half a year ago, the general area is still teeming with gals. You'll just need to change the specific area you are looking at, shift the hours you are hunting to much earlier/later, and ask mamasan/papasan type individuals for contacts. And, as always, if there are any guys around who need a little assistance or want a good recommendation, just contact me.


J

YoungBoss
05-16-07, 06:59
I went to Da Ming Yuan during the past weekend again. Saw 2 line-ups of 10 girls ranging from 4-5 in looks. It seemed no point to wait for another, so I decided pick 2 which appeared to be the youngest. They are both 20 and one(#218) from Jiangxi province and the other(forgot the number) is from Guangdong. oh these girl are really gfe and sweet to me. after I rotate between the girls several times, #218 decided to lay beside us sucking my nipple whille I was doing missionary with the other. OH, boy ! for those of you who have not tried this, do it. I got so high with 2 young tight body held tight underneath me enjoying my thrust on them. anyway RMB 388 was the cost, very good deal.

Old Mean Dog
05-16-07, 07:58
Just wanted to ask if you guys tip the girls for sexual services perfomed, but forget about tipping when you pay the bill at a restaurant or other facility where a girl(s) are not the center of attention?

I see it often, when the waiter/waitress, barber, bell boy, taxi driver etc. provides good service but many do not tip them saying "Tipping is not allowed in China", but these are the same guys who will give the xiaojies big tips for blowing or banging them.

Just Wondering,
SZE

RasSpewtin
05-16-07, 08:00
For the past few years, I have subscribed to the strict belief that Hubei girls are to be avoided. Not because they aren’t attractive enough; they often are. The problem is that 90% of them just don’t give head. And if they do, it’s so-so at best, and guaranteed to be punctuated with pausing every 10 seconds to spit into the waste paper basket or even onto the carpet of your 5-star hotel room floor (yup, had that happen more than once with a freebie gf from Hubei).

Now the typical Hubei look may not be for every guy. They are often a little fuller figured with rounder faces any maybe just a little baby fat. Maybe I am generalizing a little, but it is my honest impression. But guys that know me, know that I like a girl who is not all skin and bones. So last night I was introduced to a girl that I would describe as “Looked fresh, innocent, and very cute without makeup. A curvy gal with some meat, she was about 5'4, shoulder length straight black hair, nice big 34C breasts, and a great smile and attitude.” And yes, sure, those are all my own words (heehee).

Now the only thing that she did wrong, and it wasn’t even wrong by definition, was to literally beg me to keep her all night. I guess she just wanted a good return for her late-night trip over to my hotel, and that is understandable. But I was determined to have one pop only and then get some sleep before a busy day full of meetings. And WHAT a pop it was.

This girl took service to a whole new level, and she looked really nice naked. She kissed like a long lost girlfriend, tasted as fresh as her little sister, was as horny as her neglected aunty, and gave UNREAL head. I had to stop her every 15 seconds, literally panting because she was that good. Her technique was awesome, and this girl could make a fortune teaching the dead fish back home how to play flute. She was so good in fact, that I decided to give her a little surprise, and exploded suddenly all over her cute face and pouty lips. Didn't even get a chance to pump that sweet bod, never even made it past the flute solo. She continued to milk me until the cows came home, after which time she took a well-deserved shower.

Now I may be a dumb ass for not taking her for the rest of the night (and yes, the thought has crossed my mind that I really am a dumb ass), but it was after midnight and I was dead tired after a long day. And why pay the extra 400 for her to watch me sleep for 6 hours, I thought? So I sent her on her way with 200 plus taxi fare, which I think was a fair but disappointing ROI in her eyes. In any case, she seemed happy when I promised to call her up for a long stay on the weekend, and I’d REALLY have to be a dumb ass not to.

Raz

One Wing Low
05-16-07, 14:08
mostly never look sexy or slutty, but they have the nice and clean next-door neighbor girls' appeals to them. They are cute, but not pretty.

I had a Hubei girl in the fancy massage place in Shekou. She was cute but only did a good hand job, refusing to do full service. Her massage is very amateurish. At the end, she suggested I tip her 200RMB on top of the 800 RMB for massage and sauna. The whole thing was not worth it.




Now the typical Hubei look may not be for every guy. They are often a little fuller figured with rounder faces any maybe just a little baby fat. Maybe I am generalizing a little, but it is my honest impression. But guys that know me, know that I like a girl who is not all skin and bones. So last night I was introduced to a girl that I would describe as “Looked fresh, innocent, and very cute without makeup. Raz

Ace Gallant
05-18-07, 03:20
Just wanted to ask if you guys tip the girls for sexual services perfomed, but forget about tipping when you pay the bill at a restaurant or other facility where a girl(s) are not the center of attention?

I see it often, when the waiter/waitress, barber, bell boy, taxi driver etc. provides good service but many do not tip them saying "Tipping is not allowed in China", but these are the same guys who will give the xiaojies big tips for blowing or banging them.

Just Wondering,
SZE

To me, I would tip anyone who would give me good service and sometimes for hotel staff, I would even took the time to write a letter of appreciation if they go all the way to help me. Any countries in the world I would do that. All except Japan; when tipping is strictly not practice there. Whilst anywhere in China, I would leave those loose change behind if they DO NOT give bad service. But if they gave bad service.... I would make sure every single RMB including coins fromt eh change would be emptied out into my pocket.

I recall the first time when I tried tipping the Japanese lady bell girl (yes... BELL GIRL!) she ran off thinking that I was trying to be funny with her and trying to buy some service from her! :D

Enjoy!
AG

RasSpewtin
05-18-07, 06:43
I guess that my views differ somewhat from AG’s, which is OK. Here are some reasons why I don't generally tip in China:

1. Chinese people don’t tip, so why should I? At a restaurant, Chinese customers will usually clean all of the change out of the folder after paying the maidan. So I do the same.

2. Because when one laowai tips, they generally expect all of us to tip. (He’s white so he must be rich and generous). A perfect example of this happened last night. The table of two white guys next to me gave the girl something like 40RMB tip for a 200 RMB meal. The girl was obviously ecstatic, and ran to the counter to tell her friends about the generous foreigner. When I paid the bill a few minutes later, the same girl had a look of expectation on her face when she gave me the change, and then a look of disappointment when I took it all. Thus if you are a foreigner and tip, then you intentionally start to train them in the belief that all foreigners will automatically tip.

3. By tipping in a country where people generally do not tip, you knowingly contribute to a two-tier price policy. (Hint: Welcome to Thailand). And why, oh why, would you do that?

4. Tipping is the leading reason why a night of KTV is so damn expensive. Every person who enters the room to greet you (or just to fart) expects a tip at the end of the night. No can do, sorry.

5. I can probably retire 5 years earlier by not tipping every bell boy and drink server on the planet.

6. My boss never tips me, and I’d kick him in the nuts if he did.

7. Tipping is annoying.

8. Tipping can give you cancer if not treated early enough. I offer rehab sessions for you tip-aholics, at very reasonable rates. And I don’t expect a tip after you’re cured.

There are a few exceptions to my No-Tip rule. If a nice lady massages my feet or puts my dick in her mouth, I tip her for comforting my dirty bits.

Raz



To me, I would tip anyone who would give me good service AG

Tile Man4
05-18-07, 17:14
I have been to China 4 times to see my gf. Every time we go to restaurant, she must add bill and also see if we were charged for duck and not the chicken we ate. OR, if bill was added wrong.

I tip 20-25% in USA restaurant but not one penny in China. All other service I will tip in China.

Also, all you mongers, you wll get fucked twice when you go out to eat in China. Once by the restaurant and I hope once by your woman after you eat. Your woman will not protect you in the restaurant. They keep their mouth shut. This is China. So make sure she opens her mouth when you go to the hotel room. Enjoy.

Tile man

Santa
05-19-07, 01:27
2. Because when one laowai tips, they generally expect all of us to tip. (He’s white so he must be rich and generous).

Raz
Or they think he must be rich and stupid.

Totally agree with Raz. When in Rome do as the Romans do.