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Explorer8939
09-17-02, 05:54
Voronezh is a small city about 12 hours south of Moscow by train. A round trip ticket for a sleeper booth on the train is about $100, available via Intourist.
Why Voronezh should be of interest to the Russia-bound traveler is that prices there are significantly lower than in Moscow, although the quality remains the same. As an example, the highest I paid for a girl was $21, and that was room service at a hotel.
I will post about places to stay, saunas and the like shortly.
Explorer8939
09-18-02, 20:16
Voronezh hotel:
I stayed at the Hotel Brno, located in the exact center of town, a 3 dollar taxi ride from the railroad station. The Brno isn't the best hotel in the world, and they overcharged me ($50 a night), but what it lacks in amenities, it makes up for in the mongering department. Room service - ie, high school cheerleader types brought up to your room - cost $21 for the first hour of service.
Also, the hotel is located right next to the town's biggest casino/sauna (a great combination).
If you can handle lack of hot water for a while, the Brno is not a bad mongering stop.
BigthDikth
09-18-02, 21:05
Can you get by with knowing only Enlish?
Explorer8939
09-18-02, 23:52
I wouldn't recommend a trip to Voronezh with zero Russian ability, unless you had a guide. Nobody there spoke English, and I looked. My Russian sucks, but I get by.
Voronezh is sort of Russian Mongering 102, if you have no English, stick to Moscow.
Originally posted by BigthDikth
Can you get by with knowing only Enlish?
Explorer8939
09-22-02, 01:01
Cleopatra Sauna:
Located *under* the Flamingo Casino (attached to the Brno Hotel), the sauna charges 500 rubles an hour, with a 2 hour minimum. You can order up a girl for 500 rubles an hour, as well.
The sauna features a standard dining room (one table) for you consume food and drink, a sauna room with showers and a cold pool, and a sex room. The standard drill is to either use the facilities by yourself for an hour before securing the services of the girl, or else rent the girl the whole time.
Good vodka is 35 rubles a shot ($1).
Explorer8939
09-22-02, 23:48
Sauna Nega:
Located about 3 miles from downtown, to the north on Moscow Prospekt, take a right at Slav, go 100 meters or so, and you can't miss it. Its a brick building with a public bathhouse in the front, but around back is entrance #2, the private bathhouse.
Cost per hour to use the rather nice private facility is 300 rubles ($10). There is a changing room, a dining room, a large room with a warm pool, a sauna, and a bedroom. Best bet is to rent the facility for an hour by yourself, but tell the dispatcher to send a girl for the second hour. The girls cost 450 rubles an hour, about $15. They are brought by their handler, if you give them some notice (like, an hour), they come in a group of 5 or 6 and perform an ad hoc line up for in the sauna facility.
Some of the girls are happy to share the sauna and other facilities with you, others just want to get the sex over with, and go straight for the bedroom.
You can take a taxi from downtown Voronezh to this place, it should cost 50 rubles ($3), or a bus for 3 rubles (10 cents).
EX,
The price of $24 you paid is simply too good to be true! Are you sure? How about the quality of the girls in terms of looks and service?
Did you pass by the Voronezh University? My little brother goes there for his Ir. studies. Dare not ask him though about these 'relaxing' places though.
Explorer8939
09-27-02, 15:15
Silly boy.
$24 was the *most* I paid in Voronezh, and that got me room service bringing some high school cheerleader type who was eager to please.
I suspect that your little brother will have some stories. Unfortunately for him, the local ladies will likely get their grips into him early on, so he can't sample too many of the wares of Voronezh.
Originally posted by TRL
EX,
The price of $24 you paid is simply too good to be true! Are you sure? How about the quality of the girls in terms of looks and service?
Did you pass by the Voronezh University? My little brother goes there for his Ir. studies. Dare not ask him though about these 'relaxing' places though.
Hey Explorer8939:
I might consider adding Voronezh to my itinerary on my next trip to Russia. My first trip this summer was quite fun. I didn't have any problems in Moscow and in StP.
Now, how safe is Voronezh in your opinion compared to Moscow? By the way how good is your Russian: beginner, intermediate? How do locals treat you when they realize you are a foreigner? Are there any regular clubs where you meet just ordinary girls? Finally, I'm glad that you managed to get into Salon Nightcat. I haven't liked the girls there, hope you had fun...
Poka!
WhoreSeeker
10-01-02, 21:57
I found this. It's all in Russian but you can use one of those internet translator websites to get any idea about what some of its about. IF any Russian speakers amongst can translate any useful info from here then it would be much appreciated
http://www.voronezhsex.narod.ru/
WhoreSeeker
10-01-02, 22:03
http://www.voronezhsex.narod.ru/photmain.htm
ummm interesting, very interesting!!!!!
Explorer8939
10-02-02, 01:31
Voronezh is safer than Moscow, its a smaller city by far. My Russian is awful, I must be speaking a low class of pidgeon Russian. The male locals could care less when they find out I'm a foreigner, the females get all embarrased.
There is a regular club right next to the Hotel Brno, admission is a whopping 50 rubles on Saturday night.
Originally posted by Hedonist
Hey Explorer8939:
Now, how safe is Voronezh in your opinion compared to Moscow? By the way how good is your Russian: beginner, intermediate? How do locals treat you when they realize you are a foreigner? Are there any regular clubs where you meet just ordinary girls? Finally, I'm glad that you managed to get into Salon Nightcat. I haven't liked the girls there, hope you had fun...
Poka!
I looked at the site mentioned below. I saw this interesting information in respect of priceing...
Actually, proceeding from the prices which have usually in Voronezh for this sorts of service, for night with her only 31 % of participants of interrogation (114 guys) who voted in USD really can apply. One hour (responding to a newspaper advertisement) costs 350 roubles, each subsequent hour 300 roubles, and consider:)) With a sauna or a hut it costs more than 450 roubles. In area of the area of Glory or on the Rostov line pricing is different - minuet 150 roubles, sex 200-250 roubles.
Seems bloody che.ap to me
Explorer8939
10-02-02, 15:16
"Voronezh" in Engish means "city of affordable sex", I guess.
The most I ever paid there was $21 rubles (750 rubles), and that was for an hour with some high school cheerleader type brought up by hotel room service.
Originally posted by dusty_bin
. One hour (responding to a newspaper advertisement) costs 350 roubles, each subsequent hour 300 roubles, and consider:)) With a sauna or a hut it costs more than 450 roubles. In area of the area of Glory or on the Rostov line pricing is different - minuet 150 roubles, sex 200-250 roubles.
Seems bloody che.ap to me
Guys,
I need some advice on Voronezh... I am 24 y.o. white male.
I am thinking of going to Voronezh for reasons other than sex. I wasn't even aware of the existence of this site up until I searched for Voronezh on the Net.
I am studying Russian and I have been thinking about spending couple of months in Russia to practice my spoken Russian. I have already been to Moscow and St Petersburg. To try something new I am considering the countryside this time. Voronezh State University offers Russian courses for foreigners for reasonable prices. What would you say?
Is it safe for foreigners over there? How is life in general? If you could briefly share your experience and advice I'd aprreciate it a lot.
Spasibo!
Explorer8939
10-19-02, 21:44
In general, Voronezh is much safer than, say, Cleveland, Houston, or Moscow.
One caveat is that a US student was picked up there for spying a couple of years ago.
CA Traveler
10-21-02, 15:27
Explorer8939, Voronezh seems like a great find... Did you have any problems taking girls from the outside to your hotel room or did you get an apartment?
Explorer8939
10-22-02, 00:01
I just used the hotel's girls in the hotel, and found outside girls in their natural habitats, ie saunas.
Originally posted by CA traveler
Explorer8939, Voronezh seems like a great find... Did you have any problems taking girls from the outside to your hotel room or did you get an apartment?
Heh Explorer8939:
I was planning to visit Moscow for a week in November to pursue my hobby but, after reading your posts, I changed my mind to Voronezh. I was wondering if we can get together for a drink once I get there. Maybe you can give me some pointers. Send me an email to zergut2002@yahoo.com if interested. Any recommendation on the following hotels Don or Yar versus the Brno you are staying at with respect to the girls?
See yah.
I just wanted to warn people who are heading to Voronezh to satisfy their sexual desires.
Lately I have been trying to get info about this city. American and Eurpoean students living there all told me that the city is really unsafe. They all managed to run into trouble: either in a cab, or in a bar or just simply while strolling the downtown. SKINHEADS are apparently a real problem in Voronezh. They dare to attack people even in downtown and without any reason. Many foreign students don't leave their dorms after dark because of them. Especially beware when you go after prostitutes. When the mafia notices that you are a foreigner, you can have all kinds of problems. A student living there told me that once a friend of him went to a *****house. He chose a girl. She took her to a room. They got undressed and then she took him to the bathroom for a shower. When they got back to the room, there were several flatheads waiting for him in the room. They took his credit cards, all of his money and told him to disappear and not to tell anybody anything. Of course he went to the police but police didn't do anything. Another guy was just strolling the main avenue of Voronezh, I believe Revolutskii Prospekt or something like that. Those SKINHEADS apparently didn't love Americans very much on that day and have beaten him really bad and they also took his money. I am sharing these stories with you to warn you. These incidences might marginal, but from what I heard they happen quite often.
So think twice about Voronezh.
Explorer,
Can you tell me how you arranged the saunas in Voronezh? Actually can you please describe briefly how this sauna business works? Mu understanding is one should call them in advance to book a session and let them know you want devushki. But how could you get by on the phone if you don't know Russian? Did you just show up there or something?
I know I am posting way too many questions on this board... I promise to pay back with an extensive report when I come back from the trip that I am currently gathering information for.
Thanks a lot!
Explorer8939
01-30-03, 18:01
No telephone calls.
I took a taxi to the sauna. When I got there, they showed me the chart of prices, 300 rubles an hour for a private sauna. Then, I asked the dispatcher about girls. She told me it was 450 rubles to have them delivered (300 for the girl, 150 for the driver).
I told the dispatcher that I would use the sauna alone for an hour, and that the girls should be delivered an hour later so I could spend an hour with the girl. This worked out great, because it gave the dispatcher and driver an hour to collect a larger number of girls for me to choose from. Of course, I spent an extra 300 rubles, but the hour in the sauna alone got me all rested for the main course.
Explorer
Originally posted by Hedonist
Explorer,
Can you tell me how you arranged the saunas in Voronezh? Actually can you please describe briefly how this sauna business works? Mu understanding is one should call them in advance to book a session and let them know you want devushki. But how could you get by on the phone if you don't know Russian? Did you just show up there or something?
Explorer,
Thanks for your reply about Voronezh.
How many days should I allocate for Voronezh in your opinion?
I know can't doesn't compare to Moscow, but still I want to check it out. I will definitely visit the two saunas that you recommended and some salons and report on this board. ***** mongering is good, but I enjoy picking up regular girls in clubs or during the day. What are my chances for such activity in Voronezh?
Have you been to Club Flamingo? Would this be a good venue for meeting nice girls?
I just have been to Voronezh, and the info posted by Explorer8939 was very useful.
Voronezh is a small provincial city on the Don River. The provincial Russia indeed is very different than the two capitals.
I stayed in Hotel Brno which is in the center: 1000 rbl per nigth, no hot water, sucks!!! It is the worst hotel I have ever stayed at and doesn't deserve even 1000 rubles. I don't know if there's anything better in center though.
I checked out Sauna Kleopatra and another one whose name I don't remember now. Kleopatra is the most expensive sauna in the city I guess. Sauna itself costs 700rbl/hour, you have to take it for a minimum of 2 hours. That's a general rule with all saunas. Girls were 500rbl/hour. The other sauna was even cheaper: sauna 450 rbl/hour, girls 450 rbl/hour.
In Hotel Brno they deliver girls to your room for 700 rbl/hour. I had one, who was smelly and drunk. We did it once, I didn't want another round, instead talked to her until our time was up. I really pitied her. She gets only 150 rubles out of the 700, works in a store during the day for a salary of $50/month. Many people don't really make more than $100/month over there. Moscow is so far for them, as they cannot afford even the train ticket... Uzhasno!
I called a salon called Elita (tel: (0732) 56-59-59). It turned out that it wasn't a salon. They brought girls in a car to my hotel. I met them in front of Hotel Brno, once I chose a girl, they drove me to an apartment. The price was 450 rub/hour for the girl and 100rub/hour for the apartment. At first I hesitated getting into their car, but all was fine.
Next day I decided to try another agency: Stefani Prestij (tel: (0732) 56-56-40). They operate in the same manner. We agreed on meeting in front of Brno, but they didn't show up or couldn't or didn't want to recognize me for some reason. I had my train leaving in couple hours, so I went instead to Kleopatra again.
Voronezh is managable if you speak some Russian. You'll be subject to curious looks if you look Meditarranian or Middle Eastern and because of your Western clothes. It is a good idea to dress like Russians. I didn't have any trouble, but local people I met repeatedly warned me against Skinheads. In general prices are much lower than in Moscow, you'll feel like a king.
I also checked out the Club Flamingo, which in the same establishment as the Sauna Kleopatra. The entrance on a Wednesday night was 30 rbl, 1/2 l. beer 40 rbl. If you don't speak any Russian you won't have much chance with the girls. But a little bit of Russian goes a long way. It is very easy to pick-up girls, actually it is so easy that you don't really enjoy it anymore.
Sex is very cheap in Voronezh, but all the girls I had were only 6 or 7. It is maybe because I was mongering during the day and on week days. Weekends and/or nights, the scene might be different.
If you have interest in seeing a provincial city and want to do some mongering at the same time, I recommend Voronezh. If you go there just for sex, I think you'll get disappointed. Let me know if you need any further information. I thank Explorer8939 one more time for his earlier postings.
Bez Bezarra
12-02-03, 05:04
Finally crossed over from Kharkov, to Belgorad, not too far from Voronezh. This is the lovely Nataly, who also crossed over from Ukraine to visit her friends. She was in terrific shape, and as such, she completely wore me out. I had her come back 2 more times, the second time for half price, and the last time, for just some champagne and fruit. She just couldn't get enough, my jaw is still sore. Nataly's incredibly talented for her 19 years, she'd had some gymnastics training too, which helped when we played twister, (into a pretzel, that is). :-)
Hey Mangusman,
Thanks for sharing the picture. Huh, finally somebody posted in this section after my last post on Voronezh. The provincial Russian cities are very different than the capitals. If you had the time to write I would love to hear about how you hooked with your Natasha and where you had her visiting you- apartment, hotel etc. I really had a difficult time in when I was there.
I have just returned from Voronezh after visiting an old friend now who lives there after getting sick of London. And boy what a great place Voronezh is. On the way from the Airport we had to stop the car so my friend could answer his mobile phone - withing 1 min of being stopped there was a knock on the window and there were two girls there they gave their names as Olga and Tanya, they offered one girl all night for £75.00 being jet lagged I refused but took their numbers and promised to call them.
Next day I called Tanya and she said she could come round at 4pm. She arrived at my appartment right on time and she was like a steam train and full of passion, she finally came up for air at about 7:30pm - we talked and I found out she is a student, and said she was looking for a Western man, I said I may be interested at which point her passion started again and I had to tell her to stop at 1:30am wow what a girl. We then spent the rest of the week but she did not take another penny, all I paid for was her food and left her with a little gift after she gave me a wonderful gift of her and Olga all night - again wow wow what a night, they were taking turns keeping me on the edge until it was too much.
Olga is still working, I have been told she is usually working on Moscow Prospect around 2 km from the Red Pyramid from about 6pm until 11pm
Here is a site on prostitutes ,hotels, saunas and nightclubs in Voronezh.
As it has been said, russian is a must
http://www.otde.ru/default.asp
Have fun!
Hello,
I've read any post o this Vorhonez's forum. It sounds like prostitution is very good-priced, but on the other hand downtown is like a FarWest (becouse of skinheads). Now my questions are:
1) I am italian, white skinned, would i be in danger even if of white skin?
2) If it s dangerous, are there Prostitutes right in the Hall of the Hotel?
3) if anyone intersted in going to Vorhonez togeter, send me msg to [Email address deleted by Admin]
Thanks anyone who could help me.
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Dampyr1961
01-18-08, 13:44
Sorry I dont't speak so well english.
I stay in Voronezh 3 times in tha last 3 years with a girl but for me is very difficoult to know escorts or similar. I visit with a friend only a night Lucky Luciano, nice but my frieds is a frinds of my girl and for this reason.
I am italian.
Bye
Stop To Love
03-23-08, 07:29
Can anyone help me out with decent hotels in Voronezh and low price. Having a problem finding any throu the internet.
Thanks
Bez Bezarra
03-24-08, 11:42
help me with hotel in Voronezh and low price.
Having a problem finding any.
Low price for hotel there may not be an option.
Intourist is now called Hotel Brno, but its bleak and overpriced.
Hotel Don is often booked with conferences, so its not so easy to get a room.
Call ahead, but you'll have to pay a reservation fee. Tel: 555-315.
Both are in the center off Pl. Lenin.
Stop To Love
03-24-08, 12:53
Thanks for the response.
The phone number you gave me has 6 digits - is that correct?
What should I expect to pay at hotel brno and Hotel Don?
Thanks in advance,
George
Bez Bezarra
03-25-08, 06:24
The phone has 6 digits?
What should I expect to pay at hotel brno and Hotel Don?
That was the number, maybe it changed, I dunno.
Based on what their rates were, probably between 1250r and
2500r today.
My Own Again
03-25-08, 07:07
That was the number, maybe it changed, I dunno.
Based on what their rates were, probably between 1250r and
2500r today.
http://www.moscow-city.ru/regions/en/voronezh_region/voronezh_eng.html
Brno hotel Voronezh, Plekhanovskaya St., 9 (0732)52-68-69 Rooms – 408, beds – 618
Services: restaurant, buffet, conference hall, parking
Stop To Love
03-25-08, 12:58
Thanks for the website - that looks as it will be helpful.
That was the number, maybe it changed, I dunno.
Based on what their rates were, probably between 1250r and
2500r today.Smaller cities have a 4-digit area code and a 6-digit number. In Yaroslavl, for example, there are entire districts without home telephone access (although this may become a thing of the past as the connection price recently dropped from 30000 roubles to 5000).
I am a resident of Voronezh, ready to help!
Voronezh is a small city about 12 hours south of Moscow by train. A round trip ticket for a sleeper booth on the train is about $100, available via Intourist.
Why Voronezh should be of interest to the Russia-bound traveler is that prices there are significantly lower than in Moscow, although the quality remains the same. As an example, the highest I paid for a girl was $21, and that was room service at a hotel.
I will post about places to stay, saunas and the like shortly.I am a resident of Voronezh, ready to help!!!
I am a resident of Voronezh, ready to help!!!Hello, Zxc33, you still in Voronezh, I planned a trip to Moscow and some other cities, I would like some advice about the places where to stay and night life.
Regards,
Jose A.
Passepartout
09-24-11, 15:19
Guys,
Any fresh information on vorojezh would be much appreciated. All I found on the internet on the usual websites show pretty poor choices availables.
Any feedback on saunas, or strip clubs?
Passepartout
10-18-11, 19:05
Guys,
I have been to Voronezh so this is my report.
First of all, I don't understand why this thread is open: Voronezh is by far not the biggest city after st pet and Moscow, and the local scene is dead or near to.
Some advices first:
There is a good plane from Moscow with Poliet air lines, with a saab air craft. Security being an issue when it is a flight on the Russian territory, it is worth to mention.
A good hotel in the center if you are on a business is Arthotel, good english spoken, good rooms, excellent breakfast and girls friendly up to midnight. After midnight, you may have to pay some fees if you booked a single room (about 1500 rur more).
Voronezh is the kind of city with a single central big street long of 2. 5 kms called "revolutsi ulitsa". Every thing is here.
Local free scene is in my opinion very poor, girls are by far less attractive than in Moscow, less numerous as well.
Individuals: all the researches on internet ended in a very poor choice:
- 3 girls in http://www.dosug.cz But 2 of them where you don't see the face, and you don't know the age. I called the one where you see the face, she never answered.
- on http://sextalk.ru/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=clsr Some very fez post and info on voronezh. Found 2 individuals using the links, called them, one answered but refused to come at the hotel so I declined, second one never answered.
Then I called the only saloon advertised in dosug. CZ. They answered immediately and agreed to send to me some girls for 2 000 rur an hour at the hotel. Good prices in comparison to Moscow. I asked for slim girls when she asked me what I wanted. She said OK. 20 minutes later the taxi arrived, asked me to meet outside the hotel. The 3 girls he bring were all ugly, fat or old. Still, one week without sex, I took the less worst one, we went to the room, I closed the lights, close the eyes, and asked for a BJ. She did it, never managed to finish. I have lost 2000 rur.
As for the saunas, I didn't try.
I went to a strip club called lucky luciano at the beggining of the revolutsi street, where the streets ends in the city center. Impossible to miss. They are 3 strip clubs within 500 meters anyway in this street.
The waitress explained to me that it is 1200 rur for the entrance fees in the room where they girls are only boobs naked, and 1500 rur in the room where they are fully naked. This is typically the kind of Russian logical that I will never understands: who cares about 300 rur when you go to a strip club honestly?
Of course, all costumers were in the fully naked room, some of them heavily drunk.
It was rather unclear for me the rules, some girls dance and don't ask for a tip, some of them asked. I gave 100 rur then saw some disappointment, so gave 200 rur for a "dance" which looks then normal.
Average quality is 7.
What I didn't like is that you can't touch the breasts for instance, you need to pay a privatedance for that.
I tried to negotiate prices for sex in their room, I was quoted usually 12 000 rur for the girl and 4 000 rur for the room, which gives for 1 hour 16 000 rur with a 7. Too expensive and not worth. Of course some bargaining were possible. 30 minutes was also possible at a full quote of 8 000/10 000 rur, but I was not ready to pay that.
Still, in a boring business trip, I saw nice girls, pass some good moments, spent reasonable amount of money: I would return.
For the + 30/40, please note that on a Wednesday night, there is a club on revolutsi that you can't miss that organise a disco 80's night, which is very popular. It started around 12. 00/1. 00 AM, so too late for me in the middle of the week and with the planning I had the next day, but I think that's something to dig.
All in all, unless you must go to Voronezh for business, I would avoid the city for both mongering and free market activities.
Great report Passpartout. My experience is the best bet in provincial Russian towns is freebie students (or promising them a gift) at clubs on the weekends. Strip clubs from what I've seen tend to be pretty horrible outside of Moscow / St. Pete. The prices are the same and the quality tends to be lower, and the clubs are smaller with fewer girls. As you found out in these towns the pros are regulated and tend to be hidden if for no other reason putting your picture online is risky for them in a small town.
But if you can work the freebie angle (if you have some game) the provinces have a much higher advantage for a Westerner than Moscow / Petersburg, although of course much less than a decade ago. Voronezh is pretty sizeable and well-known, but I've had some crazy reactions in lesser known and lesser-accessible cities in the provinces (in both Ukraine and Russia). You can still go there and get laid with freebies with minimal effort and little money spent. There's also the sponsor angle, which many girls are favorable to even if they haven't heard of the concept before. Even if you're older and not great looking you can find sponsorettes if you speak Russian and make your wishes known (of course some will be offended, but others intrigued).
Passepartout
10-18-11, 22:51
Thanks latexian for the advices.
I think you are right, students and freebies might be worth to work on. The only thing is that I didn't have too muh time before the trip to make some contact though internet (mamba, etc.).
No doubt next trip I will try to get some connection before I go.
Thanks latexian for the advices.
I think you are right, students and freebies might be worth to work on. The only thing is that I didn't have too muh time before the trip to make some contact though internet (mamba, etc.).
No doubt next trip I will try to get some connection before I go.Absolutely the best way to ensure success in the provinces is to use Mamba or such site. A quick search of Voronezh. 18-25 seeking sex reveals 200 profiles. 18-30 gives you 334. Knock out the scammers and there is still a healthy amount of real cuties looking for a sponsor / offering sex for money.
It is worth the effort to go through the sign up process and get a Real profile.
Thanks for the report Passepartout, good to hear about somewhere different. The other thing I like about the provinces is the simplicity of the cities. One main street and everything you need off that!
Cheers,
Suka Shalava
10-19-11, 10:08
If you can make friends, by being generous and charming, women will want to introduce you to their girlfriends.
Just takes time and some patience with scheduling.
The other thing I like about the provinces is the simplicity of the cities. One main street and everything you need off that!Yes I think many people don't consider just how big some of these cities are. A city that sounds "provincial" like Kharkov, Ukraine or Samara, Russia in fact is really huge with many metro stops. To cross those towns by car can take an hour or more. Showing up and trying to figure out "hot spots" or good promenades to walk along can be very hard. It can really be overwhelming in such a place with only a few days to make anything at all happen (even just having a good night out, let alone getting laid).
I do think the bigger provincial cities are "bad" in the sense that they can be overwhelming to a newcomer (there's hardly any tourist information in English in books or online) and hard to coordinate meetups from internet contacts. These kinds of logistics are easy to forget about when you're browsing online profiles all from the same city, but if you show up to a big city with 5 contacts, many might be busy and the others might take 5 hours to clean up and get to where you are.
You're much better off in Moscow / Piter / Kiev / Minsk for that kind of thing. The capitals are like a huge magnet for young girls who have come and are trying to make it studying or working. There are things to see and do and many urban young women, but everything is expensive and a middle class Westerner is not very impressive in terms of money/style/etc. If you have "tight game" though the capitals are the best bet, as many mid-20's girls are used to the cosmopolitan one-night-stand game. But really, you could probably do just as well in NYC or London if that's the case.
That's why I prefer the smaller towns of 50, 000 (absolute minimum) to 500, 000. Guaranteed to have a hotel and apartments for rent (if not online then in the local newspaper) and you can usually walk from the train station to the center and see most of the town in an hour or two. Every town with 50, 000 in Belarus / Ukraine / Russia will have at least one club or late night spot, and a town of 200, 000-300, 000 will have at least 5-10 such spots. But you can ask any taxi driver and he will know all of them, and you can drive to all of them and see which are any good. In the larger cities a taxi drive from one club to another might be 30 minutes and $20. So you can only move once or twice in a night if a club is a "bust."
Of course smaller towns have less anonymity factor, which can work against you as being seen with you can have repercussions for a girl. That's why in general I think the sweet spot is pop. 300, 000 or so, where you can get one night stands (and any town of that size in the FSU will have universities / institutes) and explore the market if that's your thing.
But these smaller provincial cities I find to be the best for what I'm going after, and I've been to many of them. How many people have even heard of Mogilev, Belarus, or Oryol Russia? Towns like that can be gold mines for foreigners looking for freebies/sponsors in a way that Moscow/Piter/Kiev/Minsk can't be anymore. Girls in the capital are interested in foreigners, but from a kind of intellectual cosmopolitan stance: they want to learn about the world and make friends and maybe one day travel. Girls in the provinces will often refuse to believe you're a foreigner at first, and then become wide-eyed when they hear your accent. You'll soon be the hit of the party being introduced to everyone and getting smiles from every girl in eye sight.
It's just an amazing feeling having six 18-20 year olds firing off questions to you about your life, asking if you're married, would you marry a Russian? All while you can buy them all drinks for $2 a cocktail and come across as a real gentlemen since "guys around here never pay for us."
So I guess in summary I would say avoid the big provincial cities (besides the capitals) because they're too big, unless you have time to invest in living there (a month or more) or you can make repeated visits or you can research online in Russian. But if you plop me down in any city of around population 200,000 in the FSU I'll know the layout of the city, good restaurants, and the best club or two within 24 hours of arriving.
Okay sorry for the long aside on thoughts about demographics. I just find more on more we see posts about prices and the atmosphere in Moscow being basically no better than any major Western city. That "special something" that you can get in the FSU as a foreigner is more visible in the provinces, so I think that's the best place to be going if you have the option and are interested in freebies or in sponsoring girls. If salons/strip clubs are your thing then stick to the capital cities.
Member #4274
11-11-11, 10:28
Yes I think many people don't consider just how big some of these cities are. A city that sounds "provincial" like Kharkov, Ukraine or Samara, Russia in fact is really huge with many metro stops. To cross those towns by car can take an hour or more. Showing up and trying to figure out "hot spots" or good promenades to walk along can be very hard. It can really be overwhelming in such a place with only a few days to make anything at all happen (even just having a good night out, let alone getting laid).
I do think the bigger provincial cities are "bad" in the sense that they can be overwhelming to a newcomer (there's hardly any tourist information in English in books or online) and hard to coordinate meetups from internet contacts. These kinds of logistics are easy to forget about when you're browsing online profiles all from the same city, but if you show up to a big city with 5 contacts, many might be busy and the others might take 5 hours to clean up and get to where you are.
You're much better off in Moscow / Piter / Kiev / Minsk for that kind of thing. The capitals are like a huge magnet for young girls who have come and are trying to make it studying or working. There are things to see and do and many urban young women, but everything is expensive and a middle class Westerner is not very impressive in terms of money / style / etc. If you have "tight game" though the capitals are the best bet, as many mid-20's girls are used to the cosmopolitan one-night-stand game. But really, you could probably do just as well in NYC or London if that's the case.
That's why I prefer the smaller towns of 50, 000 (absolute minimum) to 500, 000. Guaranteed to have a hotel and apartments for rent (if not online then in the local newspaper) and you can usually walk from the train station to the center and see most of the town in an hour or two. Every town with 50, 000 in Belarus / Ukraine / Russia will have at least one club or late night spot, and a town of 200, 000-300, 000 will have at least 5-10 such spots. But you can ask any taxi driver and he will know all of them, and you can drive to all of them and see which are any good. In the larger cities a taxi drive from one club to another might be 30 minutes and $20. So you can only move once or twice in a night if a club is a "bust."
Of course smaller towns have less anonymity factor, which can work against you as being seen with you can have repercussions for a girl. That's why in general I think the sweet spot is pop. 300, 000 or so, where you can get one night stands (and any town of that size in the FSU will have universities / institutes) and explore the market if that's your thing.
But these smaller provincial cities I find to be the best for what I'm going after, and I've been to many of them. How many people have even heard of Mogilev, Belarus, or Oryol Russia? Towns like that can be gold mines for foreigners looking for freebies / sponsors in a way that Moscow / Piter / Kiev / Minsk can't be anymore. Girls in the capital are interested in foreigners, but from a kind of intellectual cosmopolitan stance: they want to learn about the world and make friends and maybe one day travel. Girls in the provinces will often refuse to believe you're a foreigner at first, and then become wide-eyed when they hear your accent. You'll soon be the hit of the party being introduced to everyone and getting smiles from every girl in eye sight.
It's just an amazing feeling having six 18-20 year olds firing off questions to you about your life, asking if you're married, would you marry a Russian? All while you can buy them all drinks for $2 a cocktail and come across as a real gentlemen since "guys around here never pay for us."
So I guess in summary I would say avoid the big provincial cities (besides the capitals) because they're too big, unless you have time to invest in living there (a month or more) or you can make repeated visits or you can research online in Russian. But if you plop me down in any city of around population 200, 000 in the FSU I'll know the layout of the city, good restaurants, and the best club or two within 24 hours of arriving.
Okay sorry for the long aside on thoughts about demographics. I just find more on more we see posts about prices and the atmosphere in Moscow being basically no better than any major Western city. That "special something" that you can get in the FSU as a foreigner is more visible in the provinces, so I think that's the best place to be going if you have the option and are interested in freebies or in sponsoring girls. If salons / strip clubs are your thing then stick to the capital cities.As usual, Letaxian, your report is interesting from start to finish. Really, you are my favourtie poster on this site. When I see your name I always stop to read.
However, let me ask you. Do you speak Russian? If so, that gives you an obvious advantage and shuts the door to many of us who don't. I know six Russian words and while it puts a smile on faces when I use them, they are of severe limited use to me. What I am trying to say is, if you do speak Russian than your advice, while greatly appreciated, really can only be taken with accuracy by those who speak Russian as well. How can an English speaker make out in in a city of 200, 000 in Ukraine, Russian or Belarus?
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As usual, Letaxian, your report is interesting from start to finish. Really, you are my favourtie poster on this site. When I see your name I always stop to read.
However, let me ask you. Do you speak Russian? If so, that gives you an obvious advantage and shuts the door to many of us who don't. I know six Russian words and while it puts a smile on faces when I use them, they are of severe limited use to me. What I am trying to say is, if you do speak Russian than your advice, while greatly appreciated, really can only be taken with accuracy by those who speak Russian as well. How can an English speaker make out in in a city of 200, 000 in Ukraine, Russian or Belarus?I'd say that knowing Russian language isn't enough. You need to understand the local ways too, because quite often it's not obvious to a stranger from another country which women are available and which women aren't. The only way to tell is by looking at the way the women dress and behave with you. But clues like these you are likely to miss or misunderstand, when you are a stranger from another culture.
But you can still meet attractive women in smaller cities by searching and finding them on the Mamba website, or other websites, where women seek men for sex in exchange for benefits. The big advantage of going for women in smaller cities is less competition from other guys, who have lots of money. Which means that the prices are cheaper in smaller cities, while the ladies might be just as attractive as in the bigger cities.
And another advantage of meeting women directly through a website rather than through a business is that your exchange with the lady is more efficient and more cost effective. This is true even in the big cities. The lady keeps all of the money you give her, and you don't pay any middle-men. Which means that you can give an extra tip for the lady and still end up paying less than you would pay at a strip-club or some other establishment like that. It's better for both you and the lady.
The only thing to keep in mind is that on your own you have no one to complain to. If the lady cheats you or takes advantage of you in some way. Then the only thing you can do is leave and find another lady.
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01-13-13, 13:30
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I am a resident of Voronezh, ready to help!!!Hi Zxc33,
I am actually in Voronezh.
Can you help me please because I do not speak Russian.
I am based in the center.
Thanks
Hi everybody,
Some news about Voronezh.
Well very hard for non Russian people here.
The only way I found to have a girl is to go to the sauna.
But the sauna were hard to find!
Finally, after 3 saunas I did and t find by foot, I find one named heat sauna in the town center.
Well there was a boy who know the English.
So I paid 800 rb for the sauna and 2500 rb for the girl all for 1 hour.
A man arrived with 2 girls not so young about 40 years old I think, very middle good looking.
I think it is a expansive price, may be there are other way, I did not find on internet this hotel Brno which provide girls.
May be there is a place like in Thailand with girl in the street or in a brodel.
That is my experience, no problems in Voronezh it is safe.
Hi everybody,
So I tried an other sauna I found by foot, this was only wrote CAYHA on the wall, hard to find with only the internet map.
So this was similar price than yesterday, sauna 800 rb more 200 rb for towels, I think she up me the price for towels because she didn't speak about that at the beginning.
Anyway, same way, she called and 10 min after a man arrived with 2 girls, between 30 and 40 years old maybe, not so young.
I choose the more younger, so I paid 3500 rb for 1 hour for sauna and girl.
In the two sauna girls do everything but no sodomy, I tried but they did not want it.
Well this is my experience with no Russian language, I don t know if the prices are right, good luck guys.
Hello guys,
In two weeks I have to go to Voronezh for work. Any updates on the city? If you want you can also write to me privately. Thanks in advance for the reply. Andy Cap.
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