Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[Traveler1234]

I am forced once again to follow the Master of MP, Mick Licker.My fishbowl pick had great body, excellent skills. Unfortunately there are times when the 'chemistry' is just lacking, and this was one of those times. I found her too mechanical and also clock watching. She started off great but can't say ended in a bang. YMMVAs for the side-liners - since i went up first but ended earlier (yep, i cut it short), I did get to eye all of them. Although I'm not as picky as ML, 90% of them were absolutely 8-9's, great bodies, some better looking than others.For the farang surcharge of 1500 and regular 2000 or 2400, it's not a bargain. Since I don't qualify for the surcharge and it's a short walk from Love Boat, it will certainly remain on my list to repeat in the future.PS - did I mention ML's girl was off the charts? Sorry but don't pm me - I didn't catch her number ;)

[M P Lurker]

Yesterday decided i needed some exercise.Got off BTS at Ratchathewi, and walked along Petchburi road westerly. Came to Soi4 and looked for "Bacara". Its closed down now. So that one is struck off. Turned left and walked down Urupong road. Crossed the bridge over the Khlong (canal) and the bright Red Lights of "Sao Botan" were evident on the right.S. Botan actually has a Cafe in the front called PP Cafe. Entering the Soi next to it, the first door is the Thai Traditional massage section, so I didn't go in there. The 2nd door is the Aap Op Nuat (Turkish Bath). There were about 50 girls in the fishbowl. Opens at 14:00 on week days. The older girls on the right were 1000 Baht for 1 hour. the middle girls were 1500 for 1.5 Hrs and the left end younger and prettier girls were 2000 Baht for 1.5 Hours. Some doable girls there, but you could get cheaper equivalent girls at places like Bangkok Cozy, Nancy, or Colonze. So I would think it would not be worth a special effort to go to S. Botan unless you happened to be in the district.But certainly the large array of girls is like a Nataree or Catherine but girls are older.Next I went down to Maitree Chit (Jit) Road in Chinatown to see why someone couldn't find "Harlem" down there. Turns out that Name has changed from "Harlem" to "The Cleopatra", not to be confused with "New Cleopatra" in Din Daeng which has also closed down. I guess thats why they have pinched the Cleopatra name. "The Cleopatra" is a small place with only about 6 girls in the fishbowl (well its Monday). The 1000 Baht girls (1.5 Hours) were not to my taste. The 1500 Baht girl was O.K. but apparently already booked.This place didn't really have enough class to tempt me to come back. S Botan was much better.I then had a little walk to find Texas in a very small alleyway to the right just after the "Chine Town Hotel".Thsi was a bigger place inside than "The Cleopatra" but fishbowl only had about 8 girls at the time. Opens at noon. They were all fat except for one who still didn't interest me. Prices started at 1000 Baht. I wouldn't bother to go back to here either.Years ago I had seen "Sahara" on Rama 4 road, I thought. So went to find it. Looks like it is long gone and replaced by some other sort of shopping/business complex. The taxi driver didn't know anything about it. It could have been rebadged under another name and could be round in Sathorn Neua (North) Road. So I'll look again when I check out the Silom area MPs.Noticed "Versailles" at Galaxy as went past close to Patpong. So will check that out another day too. So in summary S Botan is perhaps worth a look if you are in the district. Bargain basement punters can try The Cleopatra or Texas in Chinatown but i wouldn't recommend these two.I have commenced a Soapies Map on Google Maps. So these places can be located there:http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.712554,100.551896&spn=0.192451,0.299377&z=12

[Taumaoe]

Within the past 10 days I have experienced two uncomfortable situations, one at Kornwan and the other at Irei. Within the 2 hour period I can usually pop 2-3 times. In both cases that is what I did. At the end of the session I offered 1,500 Baht to the girl, who was astonished. In both cases they were adament, stating that 1, 500 was for only one pop and each subsequent pop would cost another 1,000. Up to the point of payment, both offered GFE experiences. However, when I steadfastly refused to pay more, both girls turned sullen. Needless to say, I will not frequent either establishment again. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

[M P Lurker]

Another report to be caught up.Kristen at Angel26 is on looong holiday (or is it a very long booking), so I called Aviva at 2:30PM. "Nana" was busy so i booked her for 5PM sight unseen (well I had seen the web pic).Her nickname is really "Nar" but to make it easier to remember has been changed to Nana (nar-nar). As soon as I saw her face I was already happy since the web page photo is very realistic:http://www.avivabkk.com/girls/nana.htmlparticularly the first one. She doesn't look old like the last photo (she is 25). Actually pics 3 and 4 are fibbing. Her toits are definitely not that big. She could have lost weight since the photos were taken but it still seems exaggerated.Seems she is very popular so i was lucky to get a booking maybe. She apparently speaks English a little bit but was very chatty to me in Thai. I took the 2Hr lotion massage to make sure there was plenty of time for other things :)The massage was soft and slow. I don't like really firm so O.K. by me, but I feel that those looking for a good strong massage would not be impressed.The girls get only 100 Baht per hour less various other fees and expenses, so in reality almost nothing. So really a monger should not be going there chiefly for the massage part. Most of you will know by now that I want everything.Even though she was only a small A cup, her body was nice and her looks turned me on.She had a nice light brushing/tickling technique that got me a hard on during that later part of the massage. I licked her body a little and proceeded to the DATY which she got well into as she couldn't ignore my tonhgue. Sexually she was quite shy and conservative but she got into it well enough for me to enjoy well too. No complaints from her at all. The feeling of being inside her pussy was better than normal. Not sure why. Maybe a just right fit. Her mouth and lips were large but not as soft as I was expecting when kissing her. Was something injected to puff them up??? :confused: But tits were small and totally natural so seems unlikely that lips were doctored.Not quite a GFE but still very satisfying. Probably only average for service but her looks made up for it reasonably well. Not in same league as my Utopia girl but the price is a lot less.I took some pics of her but as they don't contradict the web site pics, I might be too lazy to include them.I would probably go back, but I have a few other girls on a list to try first. My last Thonglor 2 girl, Bum (Boom) was a better more energetic screw now that I think about it, and a better massage.Nana will get plenty of repeat customers even if just because she looks good!

[NicFrenchy]

NicFrenchy probably uses 50 condoms per week. LOL.:) Well, someone has to balance out with Opebo who has never used a condom in the past years LOLI probably use 20/week at most and they are mostly provided by the girls :)

[M P Lurker]

Well, someone has to balance out with Opebo who has never used a condom in the past years LOLI probably use 20/week at most and they are mostly provided by the girls :)Did you know the infamous (I think) Tuk is back at SOL? I might try out one morning while GF at English class.

[M P Lurker]

Another late report.One evening checked out Soapies around Patpong.Started at Versailles or New Versailles Behind "Galaxy complex in Rama4 road just a little north of Surawong road.Can enter from PatPong by passing Rose Hotel and turning right. Opens 14:00. Girls were 1500 Baht (B numbers), 2000 Baht Red numbers, 2500 (S numbers) all for 1.5 hours. I never intended to stay but but red number 20 was short 152cm but very pretty (a stand out). Total of about 15 girls. Jip (#20) and I chatted for a while while bath filled slowly. She only has a little English. She massaged my head and shoulders. I let her watch the rest of the action soapy on the TV. She was very surprised when I new the names of the 3 female leads: Butsagorn, Phornchitaa (Benz) na Songkhlaa, and Teya Roger. But it just so happens that the latter 2 are really pretty Thai stars. Eventually the bath was ready.When she got her gear off my jaw dropped. Magnificent natural C cups and a full apple shaped bottom. Definitely artists model material.The bath is a complete blur now but sex was real good. With DATY she either came really fast or was faking. Hard to tell for sure as being wet doesn't prove anything. Just a little too quick for a sceptic to believe.Had a really good time, got a couple of pics, and gave her an extra tip. Pretty face and seriously hot body.Proceeded around the corner past Rose Hotel and down to Surawong road (suriwongse). Turning left as if going to the Montien, we find Infinity JC upstairs.About 20 girls in fishbowl and prices start at 2500 for most of them. About 4-5 were stunning to my taste. I'll definitely be back. I can't recall ever seeing such an array of beauties concurrently in a Soapy. Opens at 14:00I had already shot my bolt. Bummer!Next I walked through Patpong 1 passing Kangaroo Club BJ bar, Queen's Castle 1 and 2 where have nude dancing, accross to Patpong 2 to have a quick drink at SOL where "Tuk" was was back. Will try her some morning.Passed Bangkok Sisters. Made a mental note to look for Bi-girls there some day.After the supermarket and opposite Pharmacy we have Soapy: "Plaza". I'll call it Plaza Patpong to distinguish from Plaza Entertainment Sherbet/De Lila/Cupidy in Petchaburi road.Had about 8 girls starting at 1600 Baht for 2 Hrs. No 74 was do-able but the rest not quite pretty enough for me. Walked out to Silom Road. The Entered SalaDaeng Road to check exact location of Ogoto Oily/Lotion MP. I had it spot on on the Google Map already. Too late to enter as midnight already.Walked along Sathorn Neua Road for a bit and stopped at the street vendor (totally on his own) selling Thai deserts. Bought some Wun Gati (Coconut jelly) Sangkhayaa (Baked Thai custard). Right behind him was a huge vacant lot joining to Rama 4 road. I asked what was there before. He said was a turkish bath place, torn down to make way for new construction. "Sahara" I asked and he confirmed.So now my mystery of the missing Sahara is solved.Can't wait to get back to try one of the Infinite beauties of Infinity JC. :p

[Asian Flava]

Did you know the infamous (I think) Tuk is back at SOL? I might try out one morning while GF at English class.Been RTFF like crazy since I will be landing in BKK shortly. This will be my second trip but since I hadn't yet discovered ISG my first trip was more of a hit and miss event. Really only saw NEP but did enjoy a nice girl then. Am really pumped to check out all that is on tap. Wanted to thank all the posters for their insights and will definitely post my own FRs when I get the chance.But my curiousity is peaked and I am dying to know who "Tuk" is and why she is so infamous! SOL was one place I planned to check out so if someone can humour me and let me know that would be great! Thanks,AF

[Satrai2000]

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Another late report.One evening checked out Soapies around Patpong.Started at Versailles or New Versailles Behind "Galaxy complex in Rama4 road just a little north of Surawong road.Can enter from PatPong by passing Rose Hotel and turning right. Opens 14:00. Girls were 1500 Baht (B numbers), 2000 Baht Red numbers, 2500 (S numbers) all for 1.5 hours. I never intended to stay but but red number 20 was short 152cm but very pretty (a stand out). Total of about 15 girls. Jip (#20) and I chatted for a while while bath filled slowly. She only has a little English. She massaged my head and shoulders. I let her watch the rest of the action soapy on the TV. She was very surprised when I new the names of the 3 female leads: Butsagorn, Phornchitaa (Benz) na Songkhlaa, and Teya Roger. But it just so happens that the latter 2 are really pretty Thai stars. Eventually the bath was ready.When she got her gear off my jaw dropped. Magnificent natural C cups and a full apple shaped bottom. Definitely artists model material.The bath is a complete blur now but sex was real good. With DATY she either came really fast or was faking. Hard to tell for sure as being wet doesn't prove anything. Just a little too quick for a sceptic to believe.Had a really good time, got a couple of pics, and gave her an extra tip. Pretty face and seriously hot body.Proceeded around the corner past Rose Hotel and down to Surawong road (suriwongse). Turning left as if going to the Montien, we find Infinity JC upstairs.About 20 girls in fishbowl and prices start at 2500 for most of them. About 4-5 were stunning to my taste. I'll definitely be back. I can't recall ever seeing such an array of beauties concurrently in a Soapy. Opens at 14:00I had already shot my bolt. Bummer!Next I walked through Patpong 1 passing Kangaroo Club BJ bar, Queen's Castle 1 and 2 where have nude dancing, accross to Patpong 2 to have a quick drink at SOL where "Tuk" was was back. Will try her some morning.Passed Bangkok Sisters. Made a mental note to look for Bi-girls there some day.After the supermarket and opposite Pharmacy we have Soapy: "Plaza". I'll call it Plaza Patpong to distinguish from Plaza Entertainment Sherbet/De Lila/Cupidy in Petchaburi road.Had about 8 girls starting at 1600 Baht for 2 Hrs. No 74 was do-able but the rest not quite pretty enough for me. Walked out to Silom Road. The Entered SalaDaeng Road to check exact location of Ogoto Oily/Lotion MP. I had it spot on on the Google Map already. Too late to enter as midnight already.Walked along Sathorn Neua Road for a bit and stopped at the street vendor (totally on his own) selling Thai deserts. Bought some Wun Gati (Coconut jelly) Sangkhayaa (Baked Thai custard). Right behind him was a huge vacant lot joining to Rama 4 road. I asked what was there before. He said was a turkish bath place, torn down to make way for new construction. "Sahara" I asked and he confirmed.So now my mystery of the missing Sahara is solved.Can't wait to get back to try one of the Infinite beauties of Infinity JC. :p[/QUOTEMick,I can tell you that I had good experiences at Infinity JC, I can recommend it.A question: on the googlemap you placed S. Botan at Rama VI soi 11. Maybe I am wrong but I thought it was located at soi 13. Check this please.Another question: anyone ever tried Takara massage - Patpong I? Is it worth going?

[Traveler1234]

Within the past 10 days I have experienced two uncomfortable situations, one at Kornwan and the other at Irei. Within the 2 hour period I can usually pop 2-3 times. In both cases that is what I did. At the end of the session I offered 1,500 Baht to the girl, who was astonished. In both cases they were adament, stating that 1, 500 was for only one pop and each subsequent pop would cost another 1,000. I am not familiar with either place, and there is no hard fast rule among the 1000 MP in Bkk! Most places I frequent, fishbowl sessions included 2 hrs (pared down to 1 hr 45 minutes these days), two pops, B2000, and 500 tip. Some places they do charge extra 1000 per pop and of course there are also some with farang surcharges.It's usually best to talk with poppasan if you are in doubt....it's been years since I could get a 3rd pop into a two hr session ;) And certainly if you did get 3 in a two hr session, your girl must have been pretty good - so she deserves a better tip - IMHO.

[NicFrenchy]

Did you know the infamous (I think) Tuk is back at SOL? I might try out one morning while GF at English class.Yes, she's been back for a while now. The fling with her Bf did not work out I guess. She is naughty, her ass is still awesome and her pussy is still as tight and tasty as ever! It'd be a crime to miss her.

[NicFrenchy]

But my curiousity is peaked and I am dying to know who "Tuk" is and why she is so infamous! SOL was one place I planned to check out so if someone can humour me and let me know that would be great! Hahaha... she is Infamous because she is very good at giving Blowjobs! LOL and when you fuck her, she is very tight, her ass looks like one you see on angels in Heaven (you get the picture).When in SOL, ask for her or look for a lady who is thin and with a killer ass, ask her to smile and you will see a diamond sticked on one of her tooth. Enjoy and don't forget to SHARE your experience ;)

[M P Lurker]

Been RTFF like crazy since I will be landing in BKK shortly. This will be my second trip but since I hadn't yet discovered ISG my first trip was more of a hit and miss event. Really only saw NEP but did enjoy a nice girl then. Am really pumped to check out all that is on tap. Wanted to thank all the posters for their insights and will definitely post my own FRs when I get the chance.But my curiousity is peaked and I am dying to know who "Tuk" is and why she is so infamous! SOL was one place I planned to check out so if someone can humour me and let me know that would be great! Thanks,AFApologies for being in the wrong thread guys, although Star of Light does offer very good oral dick massage :)Well a long time back (2006 maybe) Nic Frenchy mentioned that Tuk had retired from the Star of Light.It was a sad day apparently. He liked the way that she would always strip off completely nude and parade around for him. I hope my memory of this is not too bad.In more recent times I had Aey and Nong at SOL but Aey is gone now, so lucky Tuk is there to fill the void. Seems to have a nice slim figure. Nong is a much fuller figure (slightly overweight) but with superb tits and has offered me backdoor.If interested in Tuk, I suggest go back to the Bangkok archive thread for 2006 and find all Nic Frenchies reports that mention SOL or Star of Light in the title.I might try Tuk for takeout to a short time Hotel so i can get dirty pics. Supplies required: lots of condoms, lube sachets, vibrator, mask (to hide face in the filthy shots).Hey I'm getting a hard on just typing this. ;)

[Member #2041]

I'm partial to "Rabbit" at S-O-L.

[NicFrenchy]

I'm partial to "Rabbit" at S-O-L.Ah, I see Member 2041 is out with the GatlinGun!! Rabbit is the Superstar of Superstars of SOL!Trust me, you haven't had a Blowjob until you've tried Miss Rabbit. The problem is, for me, she makes me come too fast :)

[M P Lurker]

Yes, she's been back for a while now. The fling with her Bf did not work out I guess. She is naughty, her ass is still awesome and her pussy is still as tight and tasty as ever! It'd be a crime to miss her.How did your posts get in there before "mine"? I could not see them when I posted. I had thought with all those giks and camfrogs etc. that you might not have been to SOL lately. Should have known better when they can suck and fuck so superbly, its hard to stay away long time I guess. :D But Tuk didn't seem to remember Mr 'Nic' being back recently :(Did try Tuk this morning and was impressed with her very deap throat. Amazing fuck too. Lots of filthy pics of Tuk and Nong at each other to process to small size. A couple of other girls, such as Nee and ? looked pretty too. Might have to try a foursome next time (3 girls). The other poster likes "rabbit"? I guess he means a girl called Taai is pretty nice (since Taai means rabbit).After I finished, was relaxing with a drink and 3 other Farangs came in independently. Amazingly all could speak Thai. One has such a good accent that I couldn't tell he was Yankie.

[Sainter21]

Mick Licker.Another question: anyone ever tried Takara massage - Patpong I? Is it worth going?Wow! There is a blast from the past. Must go back one of these days. That place has been there for decades I believe. The first goal is to get in and avoid the touts outside. Even if you do, they will follow you up so you need to tell the mamasan that you are there on your own accord and your bill won't be padded out to cover the cost of the tout. Convince them that you are not some stupid tourist who was wandering by buying shoes and watches and stumbled up the stairs.As for prices. The last time I was there was about two yeas ago. Quoted as much as 2000, but got them down to 1000 after threatening to walk. I believe regular visitors are looked after.As for girls, I must say that I was impressed. 30 or so when I was there, but be very careful, some of them appeared quite young. As for service, unfortunately more often than not it is average. Will be harrassed for tips as soon as the door closes. Avoid the double act deal. Not really worth it. 2000+tip.Despite the service, (and location) I have been back for repeat visits. Caters to all tastes, but if you like young (legal ofcourse) slim and petite you may strike lucky and for the price, worth a punt for mine.As an aside, visited Plaza as well on a few occasions. My first visit was one of my all time best massage visits in Bkk, but unfortunately, continued to dissapoint on repeat visits and decline overall. Doubt I'll be back.Cheers.

[M P Lurker]

I can tell you that I had good experiences at Infinity JC, I can recommend it.A question: on the googlemap you placed S. Botan at Rama VI soi 11. Maybe I am wrong but I thought it was located at soi 13. Check this please.Another question: anyone ever tried Takara massage - Patpong I? Is it worth going?Good pick up and have fixed it. At least I was closer than Mr ThaoPhanayjorn's map where he had it north of the khlong. I haven't been to Takara. I had assumed its an Oily but now see its a Soapy. Added to the map.Here is a web sitehttp://guide.2thebigmango.com/thailand/bangkok/massage/soapies/silom/patpong/takara-massage/P.S. Fixed Map locations of Naree, Friends, Exclusive.Couldn't find Koko1. Lotus got removed as both Giotto and Nic agree its a "no-no". One or two other doubtfuls got removed.Still a few with question marks though.Is there a 55Centre or is it 33Centre?The intention is not to put places down unless someone reports a "fun" or good time. After all there must be a million MPs in BKK.Why is massage so popular?

[M P Lurker]

Mick Licker.Another question: anyone ever tried Takara massage - Patpong I? Is it worth going?Wow! There is a blast from the past. Must go back one of these days. That place has been there for decades I believe. The first goal is to get in and avoid the touts outside. Even if you do, they will follow you up so you need to tell the mamasan that you are there on your own accord and your bill won't be padded out to cover the cost of the tout. Convince them that you are not some stupid tourist who was wandering by buying shoes and watches and stumbled up the stairs.As for prices. The last time I was there was about two yeas ago. Quoted as much as 2000, but got them down to 1000 after threatening to walk. I believe regular visitors are looked after.As for girls, I must say that I was impressed. 30 or so when I was there, but be very careful, some of them appeared quite young. As for service, unfortunately more often than not it is average. Will be harrassed for tips as soon as the door closes. Avoid the double act deal. Not really worth it. 2000+tip.Despite the service, (and location) I have been back for repeat visits. Caters to all tastes, but if you like young (legal ofcourse) slim and petite you may strike lucky and for the price, worth a punt for mine.As an aside, visited Plaza as well on a few occasions. My first visit was one of my all time best massage visits in Bkk, but unfortunately, continued to dissapoint on repeat visits and decline overall. Doubt I'll be back.Cheers.Thanks for details on a new place, and to Satrai2000 for asking the question. The Big Mango web site claims price is 1500 now. I'm more inclined to go to Infinity JC, even at 2500, seeing its so close, no touts to deal with and some very stunning ladies. But not everyone wants to pay more like me, so worth knowing the options.

[Joe Nailer]

Did you know the infamous (I think) Tuk is back at SOL? I might try out one morning while GF at English class.Ah ha, English class. I now know what you meant. There is one in there, isn't there? I might bump into her one morning at my favourite coffee stand in front of TS. Don't worry. I won't tell her what you are up to.

[Forcejam]

Within the past 10 days I have experiencedMate,Where else have you been to in the 10 days?

[Michi]

Hahaha... she is Infamous because she is very good at giving Blowjobs! LOL and when you fuck her, she is very tight, her ass looks like one you see on angels in Heaven (you get the picture).When in SOL, ask for her or look for a lady who is thin and with a killer ass, ask her to smile and you will see a diamond sticked on one of her tooth. Enjoy and don't forget to SHARE your experience ;)Nic,the ass????? does Tuk do a*al? Only got the BJ and FJ from her, but also never bothered to ask. ... but looking at the goods, maybe I should next time?Rgds,Mike

[Satrai2000]

Good pick up and have fixed it. At least I was closer than Mr ThaoPhanayjorn's map where he had it north of the khlong. I haven't been to Takara. I had assumed its an Oily but now see its a Soapy. Added to the map.Here is a web sitehttp://guide.2thebigmango.com/thailand/bangkok/massage/soapies/silom/patpong/takara-massage/P.S. Fixed Map locations of Naree, Friends, Exclusive.Couldn't find Koko1. Lotus got removed as both Giotto and Nic agree its a "no-no". One or two other doubtfuls got removed.Still a few with question marks though.Is there a 55Centre or is it 33Centre?The intention is not to put places down unless someone reports a "fun" or good time. After all there must be a million MPs in BKK.Why is massage so popular?Koko 1 is about halfway between Sukhumvit soi 26 and soi 28. I have been there a few times. Although it looks like a straight normal joint from the outside, you can have a "nice time" in there. However I never asked for FS, and I can't remember if it is on offer (hj/bj is).33 Center, 12/35 Sukhumvit soi 33, on the right hand side of the soi (coming from Sukhumvit). It's located approximately opposite Love Teen Massage. When you enter there is a small bar; opposite the bar there are sofa's on which the girls are seated. I have been there quite a few times and always choose the same two girls. The number of girls varies from a few to about twenty. It's definitely a fun-place (FS everything).55 Center, 205/11-12 Sukhumvit soi 55, subsoi 9. Same set-up as 33 Center. Never been here but got the address from the 33 Center girls. They told me that the rooms are better than in soi 33.

[M P Lurker]

Koko 1 is about halfway between Sukhumvit soi 26 and soi 28. I have been there a few times. Although it looks like a straight normal joint from the outside, you can have a "nice time" in there. However I never asked for FS, and I can't remember if it is on offer (hj/bj is).33 Center, 12/35 Sukhumvit soi 33, on the right hand side of the soi (coming from Sukhumvit). It's located approximately opposite Love Teen Massage. When you enter there is a small bar; opposite the bar there are sofa's on which the girls are seated. I have been there quite a few times and always choose the same two girls. The number of girls varies from a few to about twenty. It's definitely a fun-place (FS everything).55 Center, 205/11-12 Sukhumvit soi 55, subsoi 9. Same set-up as 33 Center. Never been here but got the address from the 33 Center girls. They told me that the rooms are better than in soi 33.It could be that Koko 1 is gone since I walked from Soi 26 to 28 and further and then back again. Could not spot it.33 centre was very obvious of course. Just didn't know if anyone had fun there (but now I do).

[NicFrenchy]

Nic,the ass????? does Tuk do a*al? Only got the BJ and FJ from her, but also never bothered to ask. ... but looking at the goods, maybe I should next time?Rgds,MikeNever Tried Anal with her either, but I meant that she just has that Ass shape I love. ;)

[Vinny_Viagra]

How did your posts get in there before "mine"? I could not see them when I posted. I had thought with all those giks and camfrogs etc. that you might not have been to SOL lately. Should have known better when they can suck and fuck so superbly, its hard to stay away long time I guess. :D But Tuk didn't seem to remember Mr 'Nic' being back recently :(Did try Tuk this morning and was impressed with her very deap throat. Amazing fuck too. Lots of filthy pics of Tuk and Nong at each other to process to small size. A couple of other girls, such as Nee and ? looked pretty too. Might have to try a foursome next time (3 girls). The other poster likes "rabbit"? I guess he means a girl called Taai is pretty nice (since Taai means rabbit).After I finished, was relaxing with a drink and 3 other Farangs came in independently. Amazingly all could speak Thai. One has such a good accent that I couldn't tell he was Yankie.Nice pic of a monk on her breast... I guess what's alright for her is OK with him.

[Member #2041]

Ah, I see Member 2041 is out with the GatlinGun!! Rabbit is the Superstar of Superstars of SOL!Trust me, you haven't had a Blowjob until you've tried Miss Rabbit. The problem is, for me, she makes me come too fast :)Last time I was staying along the river, I tapped Rabbit on 3 consecutive nights. 1st time, just the standard BJ - and it was quite special. 2nd night, FS in the john. As I am a big guy, that was pretty cramped, but she was a trooper. So on the 3rd night, I ordered takeout with miss Rabbit and brought her back to the Royal Orchid Sheraton where I was staying. At 1 AM back at the Sheraton, when we got into the elevator, I started to make out with her - and she pointed to the well concealed security camera in the elevator. Obviously, a lady who had been there before. She told me before hand that she could only stay 2 hours, and she managed to extract 3 loads out of me in that 2 hour span, something I had not accomplished in about a decade.

[M P Lurker]

Ah, I see Member 2041 is out with the GatlinGun!! Rabbit is the Superstar of Superstars of SOL!Trust me, you haven't had a Blowjob until you've tried Miss Rabbit. The problem is, for me, she makes me come too fast :)I don't have that problem so I might try. But you omitted to say if the rabbit is pretty or not, or at least has a nice figure. I'm warped so I can't let an ugly one blow me.

[Member #2041]

I don't have that problem so I might try. But you omitted to say if the rabbit is pretty or not, or at least has a nice figure. I'm warped so I can't let an ugly one blow me.Rabbit is the PROTOTYPE spinner. I found a website where she was identified as one of the top spinners in all of Bangkok.http://bargirlsrpeople2.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/patpong-again-ceb-sol-the-strip-club/I am 90% sure that this photo I found on that sight is the one and only Rabbithttp://bargirlsrpeople2.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/spinner.jpg

[NicFrenchy]

How did your posts get in there before "mine"? I could not see them when I posted. My posts do not appear after I type them. They have to go through a moderator and need to be approved before being posted. I think it has to do with my English Skills not being on par with the Forum's requirements.
I had thought with all those giks and camfrogs etc. that you might not have been to SOL lately. Should have known better when they can suck and fuck so superbly, its hard to stay away long time I guess. :D But Tuk didn't seem to remember Mr 'Nic' being back recently :(My 3 giks don't take too much of my time in fact since they all have Thai Boyfriends and call me only when they want to see me (which is perfect for me).Camfrog takes a lot of my time and a lot of times I am chatting with Girls who want me to have sex with them, but these girls are not in Bangkok so I never bother. TUK is right, she hasn't seen me in a very long while because the only 2 times I went to SOL lately she wasn't there (probably Off or Barfined).By the way, Thanks for making her oh so popular LOL now I'll have to call a week in advance to be able to see her! and as you so clearly showed in the pictures, this girls has great Deepthroat abilities! Excellent review once again Mick!

[M P Lurker]

Rabbit is the PROTOTYPE spinner. I found a website where she was identified as one of the top spinners in all of Bangkok.http://bargirlsrpeople2.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/patpong-again-ceb-sol-the-strip-club/I am 90% sure that this photo I found on that sight is the one and only Rabbithttp://bargirlsrpeople2.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/spinner.jpgSo you are "Dman" I guess. and its coincidence that 2 web sites are discussing Kra-dtaai (Dtaai for short) (English equivalent alias rabbit) at roughly the same time.The pic is quite stunning. If you are 90% sure then she must be either that one or nearly as good looking.I am certainly interested. I might have seen her without asking the name. There was a tiny but fairly pretty girl there the other day. Could have been her maybe.

[Member #2041]

So you are "Dman" I guess. and its coincidence that 2 web sites are discussing Kra-dtaai (Dtaai for short) (English equivalent alias rabbit) at roughly the same time.The pic is quite stunning. If you are 90% sure then she must be either that one or nearly as good looking.I am certainly interested. I might have seen her without asking the name. There was a tiny but fairly pretty girl there the other day. Could have been her maybe.Yes, I am that Dman - I use that handle on several similar sites. When I tried to register with it on this site, I was told that the handle was not available - so I just kept my Member # handle. Actually, the other site had an article on spinners in Thailand, and Rabbit from SOL was the first one mentioned. I found it with a google search yesterday, and when I saw the review of the blogger's encounter with Rabbit, I entered my comment, which was almost identical to the one I entered here. As for whether that photo is in fact Rabbit, it certainly strongly resembles her if it's not actually her - although I would describe her looks as quite cute, rather than really beautiful. The body is identical - She's absolutely tiny. Her hair was styled differently - more pulled back than in that photo, and I recall her skin being lighter, but that's because when I encountered her, Rabbit was clearly using the lightening makeup that most Issan girls in BKK use (some type of face cream - don't go there: LOL!). But it surely looks like her. She also has a very sweet personality and fair English skills - but they are nowhere near as good as her French Skills - LOL.I'm sure that if the photo was of the top of her head, I would recognize her - actually, I jest again - one of her strong points is the eye contact that she maintains while doing what she does best. She's certainly a lot of fun, and I can highly recommend her - or I would not have done her 3 nights in a row.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Yesterday decided i needed some exercise.Got off BTS at Ratchathewi, and walked along Petchburi road westerly. Came to Soi4 and looked for "Bacara". Its closed down now. So that one is struck off. Turned left and walked down Urupong road. Crossed the bridge over the Khlong (canal) and the bright Red Lights of "Sao Botan" were evident on the right.S. Botan actually has a Cafe in the front called PP Cafe. Entering the Soi next to it, the first door is the Thai Traditional massage section, so I didn't go in there. The 2nd door is the Aap Op Nuat (Turkish Bath). There were about 50 girls in the fishbowl. Opens at 14:00 on week days. The older girls on the right were 1000 Baht for 1 hour. the middle girls were 1500 for 1.5 Hrs and the left end younger and prettier girls were 2000 Baht for 1.5 Hours. Some doable girls there, but you could get cheaper equivalent girls at places like Bangkok Cozy, Nancy, or Colonze. So I would think it would not be worth a special effort to go to S. Botan unless you happened to be in the district.But certainly the large array of girls is like a Nataree or Catherine but girls are older.Next I went down to Maitree Chit (Jit) Road in Chinatown to see why someone couldn't find "Harlem" down there. Turns out that Name has changed from "Harlem" to "The Cleopatra", not to be confused with "New Cleopatra" in Din Daeng which has also closed down. I guess thats why they have pinched the Cleopatra name. "The Cleopatra" is a small place with only about 6 girls in the fishbowl (well its Monday). The 1000 Baht girls (1.5 Hours) were not to my taste. The 1500 Baht girl was O.K. but apparently already booked.This place didn't really have enough class to tempt me to come back. S Botan was much better.I then had a little walk to find Texas in a very small alleyway to the right just after the "Chine Town Hotel".Thsi was a bigger place inside than "The Cleopatra" but fishbowl only had about 8 girls at the time. Opens at noon. They were all fat except for one who still didn't interest me. Prices started at 1000 Baht. I wouldn't bother to go back to here either.Years ago I had seen "Sahara" on Rama 4 road, I thought. So went to find it. Looks like it is long gone and replaced by some other sort of shopping/business complex. The taxi driver didn't know anything about it. It could have been rebadged under another name and could be round in Sathorn Neua (North) Road. So I'll look again when I check out the Silom area MPs.Noticed "Versailles" at Galaxy as went past close to Patpong. So will check that out another day too. So in summary S Botan is perhaps worth a look if you are in the district. Bargain basement punters can try The Cleopatra or Texas in Chinatown but i wouldn't recommend these two.I have commenced a Soapies Map on Google Maps. So these places can be located there:http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.712554,100.551896&spn=0.192451,0.299377&z=12MMick I when to S Botan a few yr back this place service mostly local as I recall it is very cheap 1200 bht for FL at the fish bowl , this place is a dump girl are average at best 5-6 and old and it is no where near chinatown , it is about 5 min taxi from national stadium but not recomended to ISG member .Fast eddie 48

[M P Lurker]

MMick I when to S Botan a few yr back this place service mostly local as I recall it is very cheap 1200 bht for FL at the fish bowl , this place is a dump girl are average at best 5-6 and old and it is no where near chinatown , it is about 5 min taxi from national stadium but not recomended to ISG member .Fast eddie 48Yes I agree not really recommended unless for someone on tight budget, staying in the area, and not too fussy about the girls looks.S. Botan starts at 1500฿ now (that's for the ugly ones).Sure its not at Chinatown, but I did walk to Chinatown from Sao Botan. As for the girls, while its a matter of personal taste, I didn't see any girls pretty enough to grab my attention despite a lot in the fish bowl. But I know some guys are not so fussy and would find some of them do-able. Certainly a lot of girls in the line up like at Catherine. Equally as ordinary looking as Catherine girls but older.See my other report on PatPong area. Because there I found Infinity JC to have several stunning girls, more gorgeous things to look at simultaneously than any soapy I have been to before.Satrai2000 reports good experiences there too, so I'll accept his assurance. So I am definitely intending to recommend Infinity JC as the Soapy of choice in you want stunning girls. Far better looking than the young girls at Nataree, IMHO. At 2500฿, the price is quite O.K. too. Right now I'm with the GF so haven't had a chance to try the Infinity JC girls.For East Asians, Utopia is a good choice too, but too expensive for Farangs.For really young girls, I recommend Nataree.For really cheap place, I recommend Bangkok Cozy and Nancy, but get there at right time to find a nice looker.I don't think Annies and Darling can really compete on price or looks of the girls, although certain girls there give really good service. Other good places I particularly like are: Copa Cabana, Long Beach, Emmanuelle.Poseidon and Tarawadee were very popular for a while but never quite made it to my favourites list. Too many ordinary experiences there.

[Escort Fan]

Following Mick Licker advise from today. See post below. I headed towards JC Infinity MP. The entrance is rather small, but the fishtank, well sort of as it doesn?t have a glass like at other MP is big. It can easily hold 60 to 80, and next to it are some couches for sideline girls.Today at 2 or 3PM the choice was rather limited. Probably it wasn?t the best time to visit. There were approximately 10 ? regular ? girls and one sideline. The papasan was a young guy in his early 30?s dressed like a marketing executive. Trendy glasses and nice suit.He helped me to choose #102. I think her name was Bee. But aren?t all girls called BeeShe is rather tall for a TG, thin, she had a pink dress that day. Her english is inexistant! The price was 2500 bath for the service plus 500 bath for the room. This venue looks tiny from the outisde, but is big in the inside. It?s bigger than Darling. There are like 6 or 7 floors with maybe 20 to 30 rooms at each floor.The Room are very clean and don?t look old. The setup is like any soapie. A king size bed, a jaccuzi and a TV set.#102 services kind of sucked. She didn?t allow kiss at all, and her BJ was covered. Maybe I should have negociated the services with the papasan. So regarding the sex part not much to say. Services were poor.However the bath part was nice and 102 was dedicated to perform everything by the book. Washing me, rubbing my dick, rubbing her pussy on every part of my body.So I can?t really recommand #102 but I can recommand this MP which seems nice.I might repeat at another hour if someone kind would tell me what?s the best time.By the way is there some kind of holiday today? Patpong was pretty much deserted.Anyway for anyone that likes soapie this place is worth a try.Note that #102 didn?t request any tip. Maybe she felt I wasn?t happy with the service or at this soapie the price is all inclusive.

[NicFrenchy]

I can't see anything wrong with your English and mine is often described as "near English". Maybe its because I'm more "Senior" than you that yours are held back :) or ...?Nah, there are 2 kinds of Senior members: Moderated and unmoderated. This is not obvious to everyone but not ALL senior member's posts are appearing "live". Some of us (I guess the non English Natives) need to be moderated.

[Escort Fan]

Near Asoke (facing the Citadines Suk Soi 16) there is a MP called "Bon".Did anyone ever tried it? What are the prices? What's the quality of the lineup? Is it possible to get FS? On a side note regarding MP. I've had letdowns regarding services. Like no Kiss or CBJ. At what time should a client enquire about services? When speaking with the papasan, or by talking quickly to the girl before going to the rooms?

[Mackin]

Arrived in Bangkok the other night and headed straight or the lodge. Ater checking in found a friend and enjoyed some good times. Now I was ready for a massage. Went to angles and tried to find Kristin. Finally came out she wasn't around and had gone on vacation. Not sure if she is on vacation or moved to a different location. Made an appintment or noon thew next day with another girl. The following day I arrived a ew minutes early and was told girl had not arrived. Said it would be just a fewminutes as she was on her way. Waited 30 minutes and nothing. Was ofered the service o another girl and accepted.Went up to the room and she ask if I wan special massage. I ocourse accepted. She had me lay on my stomach and started a massage. I have to say it was on of the better massages I have been given. Not much of anything else had taken place. She was rather petite with a nice body that should be able to do its work. That didn't prove itself out. The sex was not what you would call great. After she said next time it would be better. Sorry no next time or her.I will try angles again as I saw one that looked interesting in the lobby, but not with the same one. If you want a good massage Ann can do, but the rest left something to be desired by me. But remember everyone doesn't geyt the same results rom the same provider.Mackin

[Escort Fan]

Hello, When I arrived at Emmanuelle I got to pick a girl from the fish tank.However, when I left they offered me to go to the frist floor where there are tables, with ladies waiting, and some kind of disco.I was told you can't take those girls up to the room.What are those girls here for? Just getting paid with drinks for their social time. Or you can actually book them outside? Thanks for the information.

[RCA Knight]

In Thailand, the extend of service is almost up to the individual girl. All parlours do not demand girls to perform certain service. But some shops do discourage their girls to perform bbbj or kissing. Example, Colonze, Nataree are turning into a mostly cbj shops as compared to many years ago, because the management warns them the risks during their monthly meeting. But still if the girl likes you, bbbj will be given.As for China saunas, most shops do require thier girls to perform bbbj. They also trained the girls a set of fixed services for all customers. Out of the 50 or so sauna experiences all over China, I remember I had only one girl with cbj, she said she had canker sore.

[M P Lurker]

In Thailand, the extend of service is almost up to the individual girl. All parlours do not demand girls to perform certain service. But some shops do discourage their girls to perform bbbj or kissing. Example, Colonze, Nataree are turning into a mostly cbj shops as compared to many years ago, because the management warns them the risks during their monthly meeting. But still if the girl likes you, bbbj will be given.As for China saunas, most shops do require thier girls to perform bbbj. They also trained the girls a set of fixed services for all customers. Out of the 50 or so sauna experiences all over China, I remember I had only one girl with cbj, she said she had canker sore.Just an afterthought. Some parlours train girls to give Bj in the bath and tit massage. This is highly unlikely to be CBJ.Bangkok Cozy and Utopia seem to have this service, and some girls at other parlours. Maybe longbeach has this. I would have to go back and read my own reports.

[RCA Knight]

I also heard many parlours teach their newbie girls how to give bj, including using dildos, but girls get to decide to give covered or non-covered bj. Its not compulsory like in China or in most Macau saunas. It seems like the covered ratio in BKK parlours is getting much higher now as compared to years ago. I would say til 5 years ago, most girls gave bbbj in Bangkok massages. I think there are still many local joints that give mostly bbbj, to attract Thai customers among fierce competition, and also these shops generally do not concern much about the risks of their workers, especially if they are from hill tribes.

[NicFrenchy]

I also heard many parlours teach their newbie girls how to give bj, including using dildos,Really? then I think they ought to change the teachers because most girls I have tried in MP's suck at it (and no, I don't mean it literally).Maybe after having had Great BJ's at SOL and other places I am not so satisfied with a Good BJ anymore?

[NicFrenchy]

It could be that Koko 1 is gone since I walked from Soi 26 to 28 and further and then back again. Could not spot it.That above post got me interested, and, like an itch that needed scratching I needed to see for myself.Here it is: Koko is gone! well, the name at least.Same Joint, new name: SABAI MASSAGE.Did not experience their services though.

[M P Lurker]

That above post got me interested, and, like an itch that needed scratching I needed to see for myself.Here it is: Koko is gone! well, the name at least.Same Joint, new name: SABAI MASSAGE.Did not experience their services though.I didn't think of asking if they used to be Koko.Thanks for clearing that up.So now we have Sabai there and Sabai Sabai in Soi 11 which I seem to recall had rather mixed reviews from somewhere. I had better RTFF. Little time for REAL hands on research right now.

[Lord Farquard]

Does anyone know how much the girl gets out of the 2500 Baht at Darling? This would help to indicate what sort of tip would be justified. If the girl gets very little then the Management is ripping off of course.I have heard 1000b from every one that I have talked to; a lot of the oilies pay the girls 100b / hour. So if you get a 1 hr session she would get 100/ 2hr, 200. That seams to be a starting place, where the draw that the girls has gives her some leverage for more $$$ and or time off.So, bottom line is the girls make about the same. 1500b and 100b from the house,at the oilies vs 1000b and a 500b tip at the soapies.

[Mackin]

Yesterday was a quiet day so i decuded to check out Darlings. Had good experience there before and was looking for afternoon play time. Arrived shortly ater opening and was directed to the fish bowl. About 20 girls to choose from. I remembered some of the recommended girls numbers butcouldn't find them. Either not here or busy already. Choose #128 because shw had nice size tatas. Was also a little taller looking and ace was decent. Up stairs to the room and thins were fine. She sat me down and here equipment was brought in. She then said to get undressed. No help , just stood by her bench. She then started to draw the water and get undressed. All at a distance. The water was warm and she joined me. As she washed me down it was quick rubs allover but moving so fast you couldn't hardly grab a tit. The bj was alright but nothing to brag about.Onto the bed for a massage. This consisted of her pushing down with hands on legs and back. If this is a massage I don't need any more like it. Asked if I wanted another bj and said she could try and will see what happens. It was a rather lame attempt and i finally tolsd her it was time to stop. Lets just finish and move on down the road.Gave a small tip but i wonder why.Body 9BJ 5Attitude okFace 7/8Touching - almost non exsistantWould not recommend this girl till she gets a lesson.Mackin

[Fast Eddie 48]

Just an afterthought. Some parlours train girls to give Bj in the bath and tit massage. This is highly unlikely to be CBJ.Bangkok Cozy and Utopia seem to have this service, and some girls at other parlours. Maybe longbeach has this. I would have to go back and read my own reports.Mick Licker,I had a sessions last night at Zhu Hai Southern China Sauna.It cost 40 USd for 90 min, 2 shots included, with a free drink and food service incuded the following:BBBJfull service Body scrub in shower BBBJRimming Fire and ice cat lick 2nd full service This is a 4 star place. Some saunas in Zhu hai are even cheaper.For more details read the Zhu Hai China post.The only thing I miss is the body slide like in Thailand, but most massage in Bangkok don't even offer this anymore.When it comes to service and value, China wins hands down.Fast eddie 48

[RCA Knight]

Totally agree with Eddie. For 30-40 USD(900-1200 bahts), in China you can have bbbj, rimming, 2 shots or even more if you can do it, with so many gorgeous girls and this class does not even exist in Thailand. Another thing is that in China, you do not have to worry about the service. Service all standarized, bbbj, and most parlours include rimming as well. I wonder what parlour in Bangkok you can get your ass licked for 30 min by some gorgeous 18 year old babe for 1000 bahts or so, even for 10000 bahts you probably have trouble finding in BKK.The value for the quality and service in China is still too amazing. A while back, a HK pal took me to Changsha city for a few days fun. There were some saunas for 20-25 USD(600-750 bahts or so). That includes about 100 girls to choose from, all young from 17-22 or so. One free bottle of beer, a plate of peanuts, bbbj(mouth ejaculation allowed), rimming, 2 shots in 90 min, sex massage, some girls know to shiatsu very well, its so cheap and the quality and service are amazing, I had about 3-4 sessions a day even could not cum anymore, just having fun getting some anal rimming.Many people are fans of Thai soapies and spend 3000-6000 bahts on some sideline girl to whom you need to beg her to give you some cbj after paying a fortune. I think these guys have to explore China. I am now a China convert in the soapie scene.

[M P Lurker]

Mick Licker,I had a sessions last night at Zhu Hai Southern China Sauna.It cost 40 USd for 90 min, 2 shots included, with a free drink and food service incuded the following:BBBJfull service Body scrub in shower BBBJRimming Fire and ice cat lick 2nd full service This is a 4 star place. Some saunas in Zhu hai are even cheaper.For more details read the Zhu Hai China post.The only thing I miss is the body slide like in Thailand, but most massage in Bangkok don't even offer this anymore.When it comes to service and value, China wins hands down.Fast eddie 48Well that doesn't suprise me. What would surprise me is if they Chinese girls were better looking. I'll try to find some photos in the China section because I'm very sleptical and I rarely am attracted to Chinese girls over Thai.

[Boy Toy]

Hi,You seem to be the expert on the massage parlor topic, what are your thought regarding thonglor, do they provide FS upfront or is it a part of certain services provided, by them if so which ones, what woould you say, and is it worth it or should one stick to the soapies? , I have been going to the sopies for the last 8 years, wanna try someting new, what would you say? ThanksBT,
I didn't think of asking if they used to be Koko.Thanks for clearing that up.So now we have Sabai there and Sabai Sabai in Soi 11 which I seem to recall had rather mixed reviews from somewhere. I had better RTFF. Little time for REAL hands on research right now.

[Marcusbkk]

In Manila there are many massage parlours like the Ritz which have great saunas, steam rooms, every conceivable type of massage etc. etc. The quality is outstanding and I find it a great way to cleanse the system of the previous evenings abuses before starting off again. The only downside is that it is completely straight. Their web site is here for those who don't know what I mean http://www.theritzspa.com/The_Ritz_Spa_Malate.htmlI have been trying to find a similar facility in Bangkok for ages but the nearest I have found is one in Washington Square which is very run down and a little grubby. Does anyone know where I might find such a thing? The ones in the Philippines are frequented almost entirely by Japanese and Koreans so there must be something close here.Now if the place offered a BJ after the massage then I would be in heaven, unfortunately good massages and extras tend not to go hand in hand so I would settle for something straight and go elsewhere for the goodies. I know that this is not an entirely appropriate place for this post but it is a good way to start the day before a hard nights fun!

[Donbak]

I arrived in BKK after a long flight and checked into the JW Marriott Hotel. I was a day early for a meeting and decided to take a walk since this was my first time in BKK. I walked next door to the Ploenchit center Building and while walking around I found a Massage Parlor (Spa). One of the most beautiful girl I have ever seen was working at that time. She asked me if I wanted a massage and I said yes. Not knowing exactly what to expect she gave me a massage and the best blow job I have ever had in my life. I think it was on the 2nd floor of the center. Have anyone else been to this spa sorry I can not remember the name just the eyes and body of the lady. I think her nickname was Porn and it was only two women working there at the time. Has anyone else had the opportunity to samply this lady?

[NicFrenchy]

Hi,You seem to be the expert on the massage parlor topic, what are your thought regarding thonglor, do they provide FS upfront or is it a part of certain services provided, by them if so which ones, what woould you say, and is it worth it or should one stick to the soapies? , I have been going to the sopies for the last 8 years, wanna try someting new, what would you say? ThanksBT,Boy, Allow me to reply to this: Oily places are a hit or miss but if you go to a well known joint (Thonglor being one of them) then the girls will give you FS.Let's not kid ourselves, these girls live on "Extras" money.99% of the time I like to get busy straight away, I tell the girl to join me in the shower and make sure she knows I am not in the least interested in her massage skills (or lack thereof). We shower together, then move on to the bed for FS. In all fairness, if I had to sit through 40 minutes of massage (where the girl milks the clock by just spreading oil to your body) then I'd never be able to blow my load.Do whatever you feel comfortable with. if you want only FS, say so and do not assume the girl knows, tell her. Should she offer resistance of any kind, get a new girl.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Well that doesn't suprise me. What would surprise me is if they Chinese girls were better looking. I'll try to find some photos in the China section because I'm very sleptical and I rarely am attracted to Chinese girls over Thai.Mick,I never said chinese girl is better looking than the girl in thailand ,in average thai girl have better body but that is also depend where you go in china if you go to the sauna in macau got the hottest girl in the world and it is also a international staff from different country but also is very expensive around 100 usd on the average for FS ,I think you should visit macau and china first before you comment.Fast eddie 48

[Barrella]

Totally agree with Eddie. For 30-40 USD(900-1200 bahts), in China you can have bbbj, rimming, 2 shots or even more if you can do it, with so many gorgeous girls and this class does not even exist in Thailand. Another thing is that in China, you do not have to worry about the service. Service all standarized, bbbj, and most parlours include rimming as well. I wonder what parlour in Bangkok you can get your ass licked for 30 min by some gorgeous 18 year old babe for 1000 bahts or so, even for 10000 bahts you probably have trouble finding in BKK.The value for the quality and service in China is still too amazing. A while back, a HK pal took me to Changsha city for a few days fun. There were some saunas for 20-25 USD(600-750 bahts or so). That includes about 100 girls to choose from, all young from 17-22 or so. One free bottle of beer, a plate of peanuts, bbbj(mouth ejaculation allowed), rimming, 2 shots in 90 min, sex massage, some girls know to shiatsu very well, its so cheap and the quality and service are amazing, I had about 3-4 sessions a day even could not cum anymore, just having fun getting some anal rimming.Many people are fans of Thai soapies and spend 3000-6000 bahts on some sideline girl to whom you need to beg her to give you some cbj after paying a fortune. I think these guys have to explore China. I am now a China convert in the soapie scene.I think the difference is getting around Thailand to places offering P4P is allot more easier than it is China plus for sure in Pattaya and Bangkok its far more in your face, this is in my experience. I have worked in China and I live in Thailand. I found it harder to also get around China to see the places offering P4P. This could also be to do with the use of English in the areas of China I was working in.Guangzhou was my main area. After reading some forums it was easy to tell there where places to go but as a newbie in China the help from the forums was near to 0, seemed almost like a closed shop. As a newbie on the Thailand forums some years ago help is always at hand and after reading just the info about China it seemed far to complicated to find P4P. Even when trying to ask for info off locals no one spoke English so I gave up and worked 15 hours a day and waited to get to back Bangkok. I have seen amazing pictures of some stunning women in China some in Guangzhou but I could never get to them and I would have loved to. Now change this to Bangkok I fall into women almost ever step I make. I do not have a problem with the extra 500-2000bt as I can afford it. The system seems more set up here for P4P. Even though I am envois in some ways I am still a Thai P4P lover.

[M P Lurker]

Did you ever have a session that started well, but then started to go wrong? :(This was like that but it unexpectedly went back to superb, which is a shock when it comes.:)Finally got a chance to go back to soapy Infinity JC (PatPong).Took BTS to Saladaeng. Walked through Patpong 2 hoping SOL girls would not spot me and chase, to Surawong and could see JC on the left accross the road.Up the escalator. Was 10PM already but still a sizeable line up of 20 girls in the fishbowl. Was aware that the best girls could well be busy so may need to wait for a while.The papasans were trying hard to convincce me to take two girls but I was firm in my resolve that one would be enough for today.Was pondering over several girls: 92, 71, and 43.Suddenly girl with nice face comes out and I switched to her. Not as stunning as some girls that were there a previous day, but quite nice.2500 Baht for 2 Hrs. Sideline is 3000 for 1.5 Hours. Super models upstairs but I didn't go look because I am slightly allergic to so called "super models".My session started well with the girl quite chatty. An Ubon girl who I will call B. just arrived back today after 15 days off.She was only A cup but still looked O.K. The session started to go downhill when she started a body massage in the bath. She was doing 100k.p.h. in a 50kph zone. I would have been comfortable with a sensuous 30kph. I told her to go real slow but she seemed to ignore this. "One paced"? So the body massage was not turning me on at all. Just when I thought it was all going to be a mistake, things got better. She stopped to let me lick her nipples. I was starting to get horny. Nice French kissing completed raising the flag pole properly. Our chemistry was going real fine now.Then she gave me a nice soft slow blow job (BBBJ) in complete contrast to the body slide part. Finger played with my arse but fortunately she didn't try to enter. Also gave a nice slow dick massage with her tits. Everything was back in correct gear now.We moved to the bed I started to lick her juicy bits and eventually she indicated she wanted to stop and save the impending orgasm for a little later. She said she only had the energy for just one. We switched to 69 and I had to back off from time to time to allow her to keep back the orgasm.Doggy first to enjoy her nice bum view. With her head right down I noticed she was sucking a finger like a baby. Missing my dick in her mouth LOL?In mish position her hips moved to the beat superbly. She was clearly really into it and didn't mind taking it all. She said that although hurt a little, it was part of the enjoyable sensation.Used a finger to hold her clit down firmly to get the vibrartion of the the thrusting. She massaged her sensitive tits. Lots of "yes, yes, give me, give me" stuff. Eventually she had to let go of the "flood gates". I wasn't done yet so we moved though a few positions and finally I came while she was prone and I was doing her from behind. She finished drenched in sweat, some mine but mostly her own. So I took the towel and wiped her down.Definitely she was a fully committed fuck. Not half hearted in any way whatsoever.We were both a little stuffed. I gave her a tip for the extra hard work. I said I would leave before the 2 Hrs finished (a little) to give her a chance to go earlier. She said however that JC was not closed yet and she would have to stay till 1AM.Looks like they open 14:00 close 1:00. When I left at 12:00, still 6-8 girls in the fishbowl, some reasonable looking. So for anyone comtemplating a very late soapy outing, JC is a good place where many others will have no girls left at all.Overall a very good experience, with just some of the body massage in the tub lacking the sensuous approach. For guys who want pretty girls at a reasonable price for farangs too, and yet plenty of girls to choose from, then Infinity JC must be recommended. Several girls had big tits but I chose on the face I liked (cute nose :)).Although Patpong has many places known for rip-offs, this place Infinity JC did not give me that bad vibe at all. I hope that others will get prices at least as good as me.So no more than 2500 for the fishbowl. Its possible someone could get less. I can't be sure and forgot to ask the girl.

[NicFrenchy]

Mick,I never said chinese girl is better looking than the girl in thailand ,in average thai girl have better body but that is also depend where you go in china if you go to the sauna in macau got the hottest girl in the world and it is also a international staff from different country but also is very expensive around 100 usd on the average for FS ,I think you should visit macau and china first before you comment.Fast eddie 48Honestly, I don't think people who come to the Thailand Forum care about what is to be found in China. What are we going to discuss next? MP's in Turkey? LOLFast Eddie, don't take this as an Attack, my post has nothing personal with you, I am just saying that for the last few posts we are reading about how Great China is... well keep it in the China Forum please.

[NicFrenchy]

So no more than 2500 for the fishbowl. Its possible someone could get less. I can't be sure and forgot to ask the girl.It is possible to get some at 1,900 according to the attached Picture I found.

[Panmure]

Short stop at the new BKK airport then onto Phuket. Anyone had any action close by the airport. Soppies, massage?

[M P Lurker]

Hello, When I arrived at Emmanuelle I got to pick a girl from the fish tank.However, when I left they offered me to go to the frist floor where there are tables, with ladies waiting, and some kind of disco.I was told you can't take those girls up to the room.What are those girls here for? Just getting paid with drinks for their social time. Or you can actually book them outside? Thanks for the information.Sorry I didn't investigate this even though went to the new year party at the disco floor.But if you can't take girls upstairs sounds useless to me.But anything is possible if you are super rich.

[M P Lurker]

Thanks for the feedback regarding the oilies and the soapies, I still have one question, I come to Bangkok once or twice in a year and I look it up as an annual event and mostly just have 4-5 days with me, whatever happens within these few days becomes a memory that I carry atleast until the next time I come back, which is atleast 6 months, so I wanna always make the best of these days and have the most fun, bad experiences can be very disturbing for me, an instance of a ladyboy once made me cut short my trip by one day and I left Bangkok never to return, went to other places but never forund the same kind of quality so I came back, however, my question to you most experienced people. Which of the sopies /oiles would you rate the best in terms of overall quailty, if you guys had 3-4 days where would you go for a pop a day, please advise?Well firstly I would not limit myself to one pop a day with such limited time. Get some special herbs/vitamins that increase sperm production perhaps. :)I have already had my say about Oilies. My knowledge about bars seems to be well out of date, but Star of Light is worth considering for a Blow Job bar. Map:http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.732048,100.570049&spn=0.050693,0.075617&z=14Now to just repeat a post from not long ago re favourite Soapies.Infinity JC has some stunning girls and overall good line up. Better looking than the young girls at Nataree, IMHO. At 2500฿, the price is quite O.K. too. Unfortunately my experience is limited having only tried one girl who was quite good.For East Asians, Utopia is a good choice too, but too expensive for Farangs. Had only 2 girls there but both superb GFEs causing me to repeat several times.For really young girls and nice bodies, I recommend Nataree. Very popular with Forum members, but not my personal favourite place.For really cheap place (e.g. 1300 Baht), I recommend Bangkok Cozy and Nancy, but get there at right time (not late) to find a nice looker. Must lower looks expections for this price.I don't think Annies and Darling can really compete on price or looks of the girls, although certain girls there give really good service.Other good places I particularly like are: Copa Cabana, Long Beach, Emmanuelle.Poseidon and Tarawadee were very popular for a while but never quite made it to my favourites list. Too many ordinary experiences there.Colonze group has a good reputation but as prices are very competitive, the number of real lookers is a bit low. I have yet to try a girl at this group. But many past favourable reports.In general its not the place that matters so much, as long as its not real bad, but really the girl you happen to find and how well she suits you.

[M P Lurker]

On Rama 9 freeway today passed the tall thin Chai Lai (Soapy building) on the right. Its just before Colonze 1 on the left. It had a great big banner up:Colonze 4 ("ko-loan-Say see" in Thai)"look at me".So looks like Chai Lai is to be renamed Colonze 4 (its part of Colonze group) if I intrepreted correctly.If thats the case, potentially Nancy may become Colonze 3.

[Taumaoe]

Mate, your nick show you join ISG since 2004, that is a long way till now and this year this month is only your 2nd post no where else except here. Maybe you can share with us your precious experience in those places? I'm sure many guys would like to read about these places.Sorry, Forcejam, but I have only been living in Bangkok for one year now; previously I had a steady girlfiend, but with that ending I started utilizing the oilies--only for the last 6 months. No expertise to offer, but I read the entries often. I do not wish to waste the reader's time with useless rubbish--I will only make an entry if I think that it will contribute to the forum.

[NicFrenchy]

Get some special herbs/vitamins that increase sperm production perhaps. :)I would love to know more about those.Please do share :)Last time I was at Akane and did a CIM to my provider, she told me it was too bitter LOL maybe I have to work on a totally new Diet? (and yes, I drink OJ every morning)

[Fon Tok]

Made my first trip to Sazanka a few days ago. I thoroughly enjoyed the scrub, massage, shower, etc. The young massage girl was very sweet and did a nice job setting up for the HJ, but her technique was a little inexperienced and I was not in the mood for a 20 minute tug (so I asked her to stop and hence no "finish"). I had expected better but sometimes I tend to be a tough customer in this particular department especially if I'm a little tired (or been out in BKK 40 degree heat much of the day!). That said, I've had some great HJs in the past from older massage women who know their way around the "sack." I seem to get more satisfaction out of my encounters with Thai women if they are having fun. too. The Sazanka girl was all over me and had a lot of potential for a very nice FS encounter but it just was not going to happen this time. I'll go back to see this particular girl at Sazanka again, though, because I thought it was nice treatment all around regardless of the ending. As I left she was very sweet and tried to refuse my tip. As I pushed it into her hand, I possibly wanted her to think of it more as an investment for the future!

[Forcejam]

I have only been living in Bangkok for one year now; I started utilizing the oilies--only for the last 6 months.No worries mate, its good that you live in Bangkok while many of us are jam in the land of NO smiles. A little contribution here and there will help us to know more. Where you been, who you had and whatever special encounter you had/have will prove useful to us when we visit bangkok. I'm sure for the past 6 months of experience is useful.

[M P Lurker]

I would love to know more about those.Please do share :)Last time I was at Akane and did a CIM to my provider, she told me it was too bitter LOL maybe I have to work on a totally new Diet? (and yes, I drink OJ every morning)Firstly i'm referring to herbal stuff that has nothing to do with erection assistance products like Vit V. I tried something called WYLD which was from Australia and not cheap. It appeared to increase sperm production/volume, but I haven't conducted any scientific measures.Ingredients included "Horny goat Weed" and some others which I can't remember but I'll check and repost more details.. I have seen adverts attached to Porn movies selling various products, one promoted by P North famous for sperm volume, but I haven't bought those so cannot comment on whether they work or not.So I think in the end just get hold of whatever is available and try for yourself. Inquire at Pharmacies and at chinese herbal medicine specialists in Thailand, and no I cannot say where is a good place to go.Indiaman once gave me some herbal tonic from India that was supposed to make me more powerful too. No bad effects but not enough scientific data to claim anything. Didn't take them every day.Body building shops also sell stuff to make you more "powerful" but again i don't know how useful this stuff is for sex.The beneficial thing I have found to improve sexual stamina (not including erection sustainers), was just regular cardio vascular exercise which caused loss of excess fat.

[NicFrenchy]

Firstly i'm referring to herbal stuff that has nothing to do with erection assistance products like Vit V. Yes, that is exactly what I am after, Erection is not a problem for me or the only trouble could be that I get too much of them LOL
The beneficial thing I have found to improve sexual stamina (not including erection sustainers), was just regular cardio vascular exercise which caused loss of excess fat.Yes, I agree with that, I exercise Daily and the impact on sex is terrific!

[Giotto]

It's on Sukhumvit Soi 33/1. There are some bars on that Soi, like the Bulls Head. It's a small sub Soi, it can't be too hard to find. Have not been there personally, but it's on my to do list for this summer. It's in Giotto's neighborhood, so maybe he can chime in.Kocharan ISG post by Zamziv (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=550505&postcount=1958)AT2Never heard about it, but I will check Soi 33/1 out and let you know.Giotto

[NicFrenchy]

Never heard about it, but I will check Soi 33/1 out and let you know.GiottoQuite Tricky to spot at first: The doorway up the stairs is between Robin Hood pub and the black and white shoji panelled entry to Tan Tan Men sushi restaurant. Tip: head for the sushi joint door while looking right.Same service as Sazanka, same style rooms. They used to have a Photo album of the girls but I am not sure if they still have it.They also used to have a Gdiary page but no longer exists.Address: 595/21 Soi Sukhumvit 33/1 3rd Floor TEL#: 0-2260-3542 Hours: 12:00-24:00

[M P Lurker]

Never heard about it, but I will check Soi 33/1 out and let you know.GiottoThat would be great. I can't find any web sites referring to it other than our ISG (started with a post last year).Correction: Nic found the website:Sukhumvit Soi 33/1:Kocho orchid /Kochoran http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.gdiary.com%2fShopDetails.cfm%3fShopID%3d74So it is still on GDiary.

[NicFrenchy]

Went by earlier tonight and took these pics.Entrance and Girls they have posted at the door Flyer.Hopefully my post will appear before 48 hours so it is not lost in the middle of others.

[Gilberto]

Ok, I'm happy that I could contribute about exchange of information. My last visit was past September but surely I forgot the name of the girls. Seeing these pictures reminded me that Mie and Hitomi are the best. Hitomi very nice personality and you can spend a good time with her while Mie, in my opinion, is the more skilled. Tell me what you think if you try them (and go for the full scrub and massage). I still would appreciate tips on Manila scene. Names-.Take care.

[M P Lurker]

Has anyone tried Ben Ten Massage:http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.gdiary.com%2fShopDetails.cfm%3fShopID%3d432http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gdiary.com%2FSearchBusinessType.cfm%3FBusinessTypeID%3D5%26Member%3DYes&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-85 mins from Sala Daeng BTS station?Jane looks really cute in the pic!

[M P Lurker]

<cut>Was pondering over several girls: 92, 71, and 43.Suddenly girl with nice face comes out and I switched to her. Not as stunning as some girls that were there a previous day, but quite nice.<cut>Infinty JC Website:http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.gdiary.com%2fSearchBusinessType.cfm%3fBusinessTypeID%3d3%26Member%3dYeshttp://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gdiary.com%2FSearchBusinessType.cfm%3FBusinessTypeID%3D5%26Member%3DYes&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8Click on Infinity JCIn the pics I like 71, 78 , and 87.For some reason I didn't choose 71 when I visited.The other 2 may not have been available.

[M P Lurker]

Ok, I'm happy that I could contribute about exchange of information. My last visit was past September but surely I forgot the name of the girls. Seeing these pictures reminded me that Mie and Hitomi are the best. Hitomi very nice personality and you can spend a good time with her while Mie, in my opinion, is the more skilled. Tell me what you think if you try them (and go for the full scrub and massage). I still would appreciate tips on Manila scene. Names-.Take care.Well what extra services are provided. Full sex or BJ or just hand job? Some of us don't want a scrub. :)I found a 2nd website on Rakuraku which isn't much:http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.raku2.tv%2fmbdetail_massage.php%3fid%3dR010552http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.raku2.tv/mbdetail_massage.php%3Fid%3DR010552

[Mouse1]

Has anyone tried Ben Ten Massage:http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.gdiary.com%2fShopDetails.cfm%3fShopID%3d4325 mins from Sala Daeng BTS station?Jane looks really cute in the pic!I wonder why they quote the girls' blood groups under their photos...?

[M P Lurker]

I wonder why they quote the girls' blood groups under their photos...?We will need a japanese person to answer that one I think.Are they very particular about their fresh meat? :confused:

[M P Lurker]

<cut>This is more than can be said for Tarawadee. http://www.tarawadee.com/has been down for months.The message in Thai with picture says "We apologise that the site is a period of adjustment of the web site", but it has been undergoing adjustment for a very very long time.Has Tarawadee gone downhill?No one has reported a visit there for a long time.Perhaps the web site girls gallery was not representative of girls that actually worked there any longer.The website has been totally rebuilt and now works but is in Thai Lang only. Looks like Farangs are not being encouraged much.

[Orange Sunshine]

I wonder why they quote the girls' blood groups under their photos...?The Japanese use blood types as a guide to generalize personality types and therefore compatibility. Sort of like how signs of the zodiac are used in the West.

[Indo Phile]

We will need a japanese person to answer that one I think.Are they very particular about their fresh meat? :confused:Nothing so sinister. Asians and South Americans like to know blood group because blood type linked to personality type.

[Yin Yang]

The Japanese use blood types as a guide to generalize personality types and therefore compatibility. Sort of like how signs of the zodiac are used in the West.So the fact that most girls at Ben Ten seem to be of type O should tell us that they're agreeable, sociable and optimistic at their best, and vain, careless, ruthless and cruel at their worst? At least according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_blood_type_theory_of_personality.You never stop learning ;)

[Orange Sunshine]

So the fact that most girls at Ben Ten seem to be of type O should tell us that they're agreeable, sociable and optimistic at their best, and vain, careless, ruthless and cruel at their worst?Yes, and everything else in between. ;)Blood type ratios per ethnic group also vary widely:http://www.bloodbook.com/world-abo.htmlBut let's get back to MPs and their service-to-fee ratios. :)

[M P Lurker]

So the fact that most girls at Ben Ten seem to be of type O should tell us that they're agreeable, sociable and optimistic at their best, and vain, careless, ruthless and cruel at their worst? At least according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_blood_type_theory_of_personality.You never stop learning ;)My GF should be an O as other groups don't match her personality even slightly. I'll have to check.Unfortunately, while I am an O-, I match only 1 of the O traits, "careless" :(. How come the Rh factor deosn't count??? I match more of the traits of other groups really, e.g. critical, arrogant, rational, pessimistic, uncontrolled, cool, etc.

[Dlite_me]

Hello Guys! It's been 5 years since my last confession..at least in Thailand. I just got back from Bangkok and I gotta say that after the Motor Show, Poseidon, Utopia, and Sherbet, I am totally digging Thai girls!!Last time in thailand I didn't have a good time, because I went by myself.First off, I'm American-Chinese and this time I went with my Thai friends.First up was Poseidon, arrived at around 4pm, took elevator up to the fish bowl. A papa-san explained that the girls on the left were 2000, middle 2200, right 2400. My friend asked the papa-san if any of the girls did anal, but he didn't know and that waz something you had to ask the girls, he said.We didn't see anything nice , so we went upstairs to check out the Models. Some really hot stunners, starting from 2900 ~ . Mama-san was very nice and knowledgeable. My friend found a girl, but I didn't yet. The mama-san held the girl, while we went back to the fishbowl. Found some new girls in the tank and chose a really petite girl #233 "Min" (not the spelling, but the sound). She was about 150cm tall, B-cup, slim, neatly trimmed and tight. A real doll. I don't recommend her if you're big. She was 2000baht for 2 hours. My frriend got his model girl for 4500.While waiting for the tub to fill, we had some small talk, a little massage, some groping. In the bath, cleaned up, but no BJ or body slide. Back to the bed, I asked if it was ok to eat her out, and she was ok . Pube hair was short and bristly, but the pussy so sweet and soft. Finish that, I laid back and let her give me a BBBJ. Ready for sex, I asked her to use one of my condoms, she said OK. The condom I had were super thin, but they were supertight unfortunately. So my dick was hurting til the next day. Had sex in various positions, finished with her on top, small ass so I could cup them. I liked that she didn't make those loud fake humping noises. She was more like a girl from a Japanese porno, soft whimpering. Still had 30 mins left, I asked for a massage again, but she wasn't very good. I wanted to sleep and she slept next to me, like GFE. I didn't tip her.My friend's girl was awesome, sorry no name or number, but she's in the binder. Big firm boobs, tall, and great conversationalist. But my fthai friend only got a covered BJWell that's part I, next will be about utopia

[M P Lurker]

Yes, that is exactly what I am after, Erection is not a problem for me or the only trouble could be that I get too much of them LOLYes, I agree with that, I exercise Daily and the impact on sex is terrific!The other herbs (besides Horny goat weed) included were:tribulus terrestris fruitEpimedium sagittatum leafLirosma Ovata rootPanax GinsengGuaranaI'll leave others to look up on web what these are supposed to do for you.

[Escort Fan]

My frriend got his model girl for 4500.(...) But my fthai friend only got a covered BJWell that's part I, next will be about utopiaShitty services for 4500 baths. Damn that sux.Is that common for high end girls to give shitty services at Poseidon?

[M P Lurker]

A lot of updates to the Google Maps Page:Sukhumvit Fun MPs and others (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.739854,100.561563&spn=0.006889,0.007564&z=17)Over 10,000 views in under a month! :) Couldn't have been just the updates happening LOL.The word "Fun" here means "funny business" or having a sexual connotation. I cannot be bothered to list straight massage places, and am relucatant to include anywhere with less than BJ available (so these are not meant to be just rub 'n tug joints). This means that some places may need to be struck off the list if they are not "fun" at all.Later will check for ISG reports indicating that someone actually had fun there.Attempted to give stars up to 3 stars indicating level of popularity. A wild guess that will need adjustment later. *** = Extremely popular** = very popular* = popularno stars = indifferent or unknown popularity Now includes translation of Rakuraku and GDiary websites from Japanese to English.Generally includes web sites, phone, hours, address, shop appearance. But we don't guarantee how good any place or girl is. Read Giottos Guide and the ISG Forum for that.Here are some important lists of massage places form Rakuraku and GDiary. Some of these are not on the map.If ISG members feel strongly that a particular MP is a really a "fun" place, then please include a report on the place in Bangkok Massage thread, or ref to pre-existing report, and describe location in enough detail to place on map at least approximately, and give full run down of services experienced (specify the sexual part explicitly).GDiary 1:http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gdiary.com%2FSearchBusinessType.cfm%3FBusinessTypeID%3D5%26Member%3DYes&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8GDiary 2:http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.gdiary.com/SearchBusinessType.cfm%3FBusinessTypeID%3D5%26Member%3DNoRakuraku:http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.raku2.tv/Massage.phpThis is intended to replace the Bangkok Reference List of MPs which I previously put out. It will not be maintained.The Soapies Map attached is not quite complete, and will be more interest to the Soapy freaks like Soapy Mick (myself) when we want to ring up and make a booking.

[Dlite_me]

Two days later, my friend and I hit Utopia. On the ground floor is the fish tank, when we got there (about 4:00) there were only 10 inside and about 5 sitting outside to the left of the fish bowl. It was 2000 for fishbowl girls and 2400 for the ones outside. We went upstairs to look at the more expensive girls, around 7 with prices from 2900 ~ . But none were pretty, nor looked friendly. The papa-san we had was really cool. He was pretty honest, the 2000baht girls were better than the expensive ones. Pickings were quite slim, we waited about 15min when the cutest girl returned to the fish bowl. I chose her immediately, less some other guy picked her. Her name sounded like "Song", sorry no number. She was about 160cm, petite, with perky bcups, shaved with a tuft hair above her pussy, and a nice arse. This girl was cuter than my Poseidon girl and gave much better service. "Song" gave me a BBBJ in the tub and bed. She did a body glide/slide in the tub. More forplay from her in the bed, like GFE. But I couldn't eat her because she lubed up right after we got out of the tub. Great sex, but she did some of that fake groaning. Great arse for doggy and cowgirl. Much better massageOnly bad part, my fault, some strands of her hair got caught in my mouth. When I was coming with her on top, she suddenly jerked her head up. So I pulled out some hair. I felt bad, so I tipped her when we finished.My friend chose another girl from the tank, but he said she was horrible and he didn't get a BBBJ.On friday, went back to Poseidon with 2 Thai friends. We got there at 10pm and there were a few girls in the fish tank and no girls upstairs and lots of guys waiting around. My friends chose model girls after they came back to the lounge. They paid 4500 each. I didn't partake because I was tapped and drained. They said the girls were good.Recap, best time to go to these places is between 4 - 6. That's what my friend and one of the papa-sans told me. I was able to get BBBJ at both places, but my Thai friends only got covered BJ. Don't know why it was like that. Plenty of white, Koreans, chinese, Japanese, Thais, and others at Poseidon. Not so much at Utopia

[Member #3428]

The other herbs (besides Horny goat weed) included were:tribulus terrestris fruitEpimedium sagittatum leafLirosma Ovata rootPanax GinsengGuaranaI'll leave others to look up on web what these are supposed to do for you.Try Semenax (but there is also one called semenex, don't know any reports on that one) and / or ogoplex

[Dlite_me]

Shitty services for 4500 baths. Damn that sux.Is that common for high end girls to give shitty services at Poseidon?My thai friend said he didn't mind the covered BJ. He really enjoyed everything else, the bath, the talking, the massage, and of course the sex

[Carpediemyes]

Two days later, my friend and I hit Utopia. It was 2000 for fishbowl girls and 2400 for the ones outside. We went upstairs to look at the more expensive girls, around 7 with prices from 2900 ~ . Plenty of white, Koreans, chinese, Japanese, Thais, and others at Poseidon. Not so much at UtopiaLucky you Dlite. Are you Asian?Because you did not get hit with the farang surcharge of 1500B.Maybe because you were with a Thai friend?

[AsiaTraveler2]

My thai friend said he didn't mind the covered BJ. He really enjoyed everything else, the bath, the talking, the massage, and of course the sexDlite_me,I think some of us read the post as ONLY a bj and no sex, but I think you meant bj and sex and no body slide. Mick would have had to add a new rating ... NS! That clears that up. AT2

[M P Lurker]

On friday, went back to Poseidon with 2 Thai friends. We got there at 10pm and there were a few girls in the fish tank and no girls upstairs and lots of guys waiting around. My friends chose model girls after they came back to the lounge. They paid 4500 each. I didn't partake because I was tapped and drained. They said the girls were good.Recap, best time to go to these places is between 4 - 6. This is incredibly important. Its not much use turning up to most soapies after 10PM. All the best girls are gone and may not come out again.Great advice to turn up between 4PM and 6PM. I really try to do this religiously. Then you have time to wait around if the best girls are not yet in the fishbowl or sideline. May go earlier or later if I have a booking.Very early 9AM, its better to go to Star of Light or similar morning bars. Late morning to early afternoon its a better bet to go to an Oily. Late in the night I prefer to look for bar girls or free lancers or sometimes go to soapies/oilies for pre-booked particular girls that I know.

[Dlite_me]

Lucky you Dlite. Are you Asian?Because you did not get hit with the farang surcharge of 1500B.Maybe because you were with a Thai friend?Yeah...I'm an ABC..American born Chinese. And yes it really helped I had a thai friendWhile I was taking full advantage of my 2 hours at Poseidon, my thai friend finished a little early and waited for me in the lounge with the fish bowl. He consistently heard 2000/2200/2400 baht being quoted to foreign asian guys and for ThaisMy other thai friend said that the farang surcharge was from 500 - 1000 baht. Sorry but I don't know if that is the going rate, 500 and 1500 baht seem very differentAnd yes to clear it up, my thai friend did have sex at both shops, but he got a covered BJ, while I got the BBBJ in the package. Sorry for the misunderstanding guys.

[M P Lurker]

Yeah...I'm an ABC..American born Chinese. And yes it really helped I had a thai friendWhile I was taking full advantage of my 2 hours at Poseidon, my thai friend finished a little early and waited for me in the lounge with the fish bowl. He consistently heard 2000/2200/2400 baht being quoted to foreign asian guys and for ThaisMy other thai friend said that the farang surcharge was from 500 - 1000 baht. Sorry but I don't know if that is the going rate, 500 and 1500 baht seem very differentAnd yes to clear it up, my thai friend did have sex at both shops, but he got a covered BJ, while I got the BBBJ in the package. Sorry for the misunderstanding guys.Yes they are consistent. Eastern Orientals like Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai , Laos etc. get the good price, regardless of what Country they come from. Farangs, Indians, and many other types get the expensive price :( weep!So Utopia is highly recommended for East Asians only.At least the girl gets 1K out of the 1500 surcharge for putting up with us Farangs, be it for our "giant" cocks :D or for some other reason. Those with small cocks should rightly feel cheated (by the price hike) ;)Or maybe its because we are uncouth or unclean or something???Don't take me too seriously. I'm just joking around. But unfortunately I am really taken by a couple of girls at this venue, so have to suffer the steep cost when I want to spoil myself. Might switch to private bookings at a later date for better value, then I will need to book a spa room at the Hotel to get the most out of bathing with the girl.

[NicFrenchy]

My other thai friend said that the farang surcharge was from 500 - 1000 baht. Sorry but I don't know if that is the going rate, 500 and 1500 baht seem very differentAs a personal rule, I have decided to not custom any place that has a Farang surcharge. There are enough great places and very cute girls in Bangkok that offer the same facilities and services as Utopia (for example).Dlite, Thank you for the great reports! I am happy you are enjoying your time in Bangkok, no matter the cost, it's the experience that counts!

[Fon Tok]

There's new photos on the Aviva site.Cher is a very pretty woman.Anyone know her? Might have to stop in there again, soon. ;) Aviva Site (http://www.avivabkk.com/)

[Divine Baal]

How will it be during songkran? Since I guess most girls are countrygirls and goes home to the villages showing of their money.. it get's dull(er) in Bkk during this week? Places close/bad selections?Or is it more party then?

[Soi Walker]

Has anyone tried Ben Ten Massage:http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.gdiary.com%2fShopDetails.cfm%3fShopID%3d432http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gdiary.com%2FSearchBusinessType.cfm%3FBusinessTypeID%3D5%26Member%3DYes&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-85 mins from Sala Daeng BTS station?Jane looks really cute in the pic!Ben Ten opened about 2 weeks ago. I was there on Thursday, April 3. I chose Jane, who worked at Ogoto, the other MP of the owner of Ben Ten. She says she's 19, comes from Yasothorn, and worked at Ogoto for one year. She looks better in the picture than in person, but very cute and playful nevertheless. She's the prettiest of all the staff there, IMHO. After agreeing to the special service, there remained a choice between 2,000 for her "doing the work" or 1,500 for her on her back passively, which was a surprise to me. She gave a sample of the 2,000 service, and it was tempting. The next problem, however, is that she was really good at resurrecting life after the first finish, and then demanded another 500 for a second finish. Said it's a rule. That turns me off, so I let her finish the massage and shower me.

[NicFrenchy]

After agreeing to the special service, there remained a choice between 2,000 for her "doing the work" or 1,500 for her on her back passively, which was a surprise to me. Now this is the first time I hear that one LOL, a girl who actually quotes you a FS price and a Starfish Price. You should have told her that for 1500 she should be happy to do all the work already.
She gave a sample of the 2,000 service, and it was tempting.Soi Walker, No matter how tempting the "Sample" was, it should already be a part of the initial 1500. Who in their right mind would pay 1500 for a dead fish?
The next problem, however, is that she was really good at resurrecting life after the first finish, and then demanded another 500 for a second finish. Said it's a rule. That turns me off, so I let her finish the massage and shower me.Yes, it is indeed a rule in many oily places. the prices (HJ 500/BJ1000/FS1500) are for "Short time" or a "single shot", any additional shot is to be paid extra. Some places charge you 1000 for the second shot.Having said that, it is not a "rule" from management as they couldn't care less what happends inside the rooms, it is just an unwritten rule that was agreed among the girls. Some girls, if they like you or if you repeat often, will sometimes treat you to a second shot free of charge.

[M P Lurker]

Ben Ten opened about 2 weeks ago. I was there on Thursday, April 3. I chose Jane, who worked at Ogoto, the other MP of the owner of Ben Ten. She says she's 19, comes from Yasothorn, and worked at Ogoto for one year. She looks better in the picture than in person, but very cute and playful nevertheless. She's the prettiest of all the staff there, IMHO. After agreeing to the special service, there remained a choice between 2,000 for her "doing the work" or 1,500 for her on her back passively, which was a surprise to me. She gave a sample of the 2,000 service, and it was tempting. The next problem, however, is that she was really good at resurrecting life after the first finish, and then demanded another 500 for a second finish. Said it's a rule. That turns me off, so I let her finish the massage and shower me.Soi Walker,(or may I call you Luke (Jedi Knight LOL)),is this all coincidence, or did my question actually cause you to you the ISG forum? Anyway welcome aboard and thanks for the low-down on Jane (Jan).It sounded so depressing to be quoted 1500 for a star fish, but somehow she got you to life a 2nd time, surely not by pure star fish approach. Or are you like me and get turned on just by her pure good looks?I think I would have opted for the 2K being too scared to find out what a star-fish performance was like, but I would have put extra conditions on the 2K such as BBBJ, DATY, etc. all included. i.e. I don't really want her to feel like working hard, but just have some fun. I would then accept the challenge to see if I could turn her on and get her off.So I might still try her on next trip anyway, seeing I like to try the "prettiest" girl (as I'm warped that way).

[M P Lurker]

How will it be during songkran? Since I guess most girls are countrygirls and goes home to the villages showing of their money.. it get's dull(er) in Bkk during this week? Places close/bad selections?Or is it more party then?What happened to AsiaTraveler2's joke about the girls getting very "wet"? ROFLMAO I thought that was a good one but the post disappeared. :(

[M P Lurker]

There's new photos on the Aviva site.Cher is a very pretty woman.Anyone know her? Might have to stop in there again, soon. ;) Aviva Site (http://www.avivabkk.com/)I think the new website pics are more realistic of the real looks than before.Only Apple and Cher look exceptionally pretty to me in these Pics (Kook/Cook looks O.K.) but I seem to recall some negative report about Apple before. Not sure why Nana's (Na's) pics have gone as I booked her recently an had an O.K. session without being exceptional. She doesn't make it to my list of favourites so no repeats.Her original pics were fairly realistic although portrayed a very hot sexy look that was maybe exaggerated.Nana (Na) still appears on GDiary website and Chia looks O.K. (if they still work there?). Whoops, I have just realised that Cher and Chia will be the same girl but different name spelling (one was translated from the Japanese). Nearly was in dumb mode there :D http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.gdiary.com/ShopDetails.cfm%3FShopID%3D72So I would also like to hear more about Cher if anyone tried her!

[Satrai2000]

Yesterday I went here for the first time.Located in Soi Phrom Sri (a subsoi of Sukhumvit Soi 39 - turn right when reaching the traffic lights; it will be on you right hand side after about 150m).Has a little bar inside, but the girls told me that hardly any customer uses that. The girls are dressed in Japanese kimono's and have a friendly attitude just as in most other MP's. The rooms are big, tidy and posh and "Spa-like". To be honest, I went there with the intention to get a straight massage with no extra's for I had understood it was a regular Spa. I was assigned a rather young massage-girl that took me to one of the rooms upstairs. After we entered the room she started to touch me in a rather sensual way which gave me the feeling that this "Spa" might offer much more than what was listed on their menu. And indeed: hardly after 10 minutes she said something like "only massage is not good, special is good". She wanted 2000Bht for btb and fs. I offered her 1500 which she agreed upon. The sex was nothing special. What was special for me is that the "special" came as an unexpected surprise.

[Soi Walker]

Soi Walker,(or may I call you Luke (Jedi Knight LOL)),is this all coincidence, or did my question actually cause you to you the ISG forum? Anyway welcome aboard and thanks for the low-down on Jane (Jan).It sounded so depressing to be quoted 1500 for a star fish, but somehow she got you to life a 2nd time, surely not by pure star fish approach. Or are you like me and get turned on just by her pure good looks?I think I would have opted for the 2K being too scared to find out what a star-fish performance was like, but I would have put extra conditions on the 2K such as BBBJ, DATY, etc. all included. i.e. I don't really want her to feel like working hard, but just have some fun. I would then accept the challenge to see if I could turn her on and get her off.So I might still try her on next trip anyway, seeing I like to try the "prettiest" girl (as I'm warped that way).Thanks to all for your comments and advice.I agree with most of what you say. Jan, though slender, fits my sense of dream girl, and I didn't mind 'doing the work.' In fact, she's cute enough to bring me to a climax just looking at her lying naked on the mattress.And in a way I wanted to see if I could coax the extra fun out of sheer mutual enjoyment. But, in reality, she knows her worth (she claims to be a superstar at Ogoto for a year), and she seems to have her own business policies. So, I won't dream of taking her home, but I'd visit for again for a chat, so to speak.Going on holiday for a few days in China, but I'm enjoying participating in this forum and look forward to going on line again next week.

[Soi Walker]

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Soi Walker,(or may I call you Luke (Jedi Knight LOL)),is this all coincidence, or did my question actually cause you to you the ISG forum? Anyway welcome aboard and thanks for the low-down on Jane (Jan).In my recent post, I forgot to comment on this.In fact, it was coincidence that I walked into Ben Ten that day. I had some free time after an appointment, and given my habit of walking the soi's, I went to inquire. Mama is tri-lingual: Japanese, Thai, English (fluent). She was very adept at coaxing me to try the services.As for my handle, I was tempted to extend the imagery, to call myself Luke SoiWalker, as "Luke" is "boy" or "child" in Thai, like "Luke Toong" farmer-boy. I'm glad you noticed.

[Escort Fan]

How will it be during songkran? Since I guess most girls are countrygirls and goes home to the villages showing of their money.. it get's dull(er) in Bkk during this week? Places close/bad selections?Or is it more party then?Many girls will to to their family? Erm OK.But will the MP be closed or open during songkran? Does someone has a list of the MP that will be open this week end? I mean if all shops are closed and if MP are closed wtf are we all going to do this week end in BKKCan some BKK specialist enlight us with the option we will be having during this period! Thanks

[M P Lurker]

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Soi Walker,(or may I call you Luke (Jedi Knight LOL)),is this all coincidence, or did my question actually cause you to join the ISG forum? Anyway welcome aboard and thanks for the low-down on Jane (Jan).In my recent post, I forgot to comment on this.In fact, it was coincidence that I walked into Ben Ten that day. I had some free time after an appointment, and given my habit of walking the soi's, I went to inquire. Mama is tri-lingual: Japanese, Thai, English (fluent). She was very adept at coaxing me to try the services.As for my handle, I was tempted to extend the imagery, to call myself Luke SoiWalker, as "Luke" is "boy" or "child" in Thai, like "Luke Toong" farmer-boy. I'm glad you noticed.I had meant to say "cause you to join the ISG" but my English is appalling when I type.Those not interested in Thai Language should not read further.The Thai word ลูก for "son/daughter" (but could loosely mean "child") sounds a little different to Luke, more like loork!, while เด็ก sounds like dek and is the more common word for "child". My new laptop (with Vista) has an on screen keyboard capable of using fonts supporting various languages so now I can type in Thai (slooooowly) by "point and shoot" without even plugging in a Thai USB keyboard.Apologies if you are actually Thai. You would know all this but I'm a picky one on technical correctness and really I'm just using this as an excuse to try some very basic Thai typing.ลูกทุ่ง (loork Toong!) while literally meaning "son/daughter/child of the fields" is used to describe a type of music, Thai Country Music. I don't think we would hear it in any other usage.

[Orange Sunshine]

Much has been written about Rin of Hana Massage. But nothing comes even close to the experience I describe below.... After all, TGFs come and go, but there is only one Rin!Wow! Be grateful that your current GF is willing to learn from a master - for YOUR pleasure. Excellent!

[1Ball]

Daddy, this has to be one of the best reports in ISG in a long time.Not only interestingly written, but........you lucky bastard.

[NicFrenchy]

I have (at last) managed to collect my 10 cards from Akane.I am not sure now how to proceed and ask for my freebie. Anyone already tried? what is the MO? Thanks a lot

[NicFrenchy]

I can't wait to try Cher now!Thanks for the "good oil" and its great to see you are back to high activity posting.I haven't seen her in quite some time so maybe I'll pay her a visit and report about it soon :)Thanks again for the help in Posting ;)

[Ajashi]

I have (at last) managed to collect my 10 cards from Akane.I am not sure now how to proceed and ask for my freebie. Anyone already tried? what is the MO? Thanks a lotNothing easier than that: Walk in and giv ethem your 10 cards and its done, nothing real thrilling in that part Basically same MO as with the discount vouchersHappy hunting

[Traveler1234]

I have (at last) managed to collect my 10 cards from Akane.I am not sure now how to proceed and ask for my freebie. Anyone already tried? what is the MO? Thanks a lotNic: Does that include the 1 card I left at G's for you? I think you just make a booking or walk in and show your 10 cards ....LOL

[NicFrenchy]

Nic: Does that include the 1 card I left at G's for you? Did you? Well I wasn't aware of it. Now I think someone kept the card all for himself LOL

[M P Lurker]

These pics are put up so that the Google Maps for Oilies and Soapies can reference them.

[Traveler1234]

Did you? Well I wasn't aware of it. Now I think someone kept the card all for himself LOLWay way back when I first posted re Akane and Mika, indicated i left the vip card with giotto's manager for you to pick up. I think it's still there :)Went back second time but threw away that card....

[M P Lurker]

Way way back when I first posted re Akane and Mika, indicated i left the vip card with giotto's manager for you to pick up. I think it's still there :)Went back second time but threw away that card....What does a VIP card indicate? What did you do to qualify? Now I'm NOT having a go at you here.This is an innocent question? Or does it indicate 10 visits and get passed from one guy to another?AKANE is still on my to do list. But I am a big fan of FS as you know. So usely something else comes along and jumps the "to do list" queue.Do VIPs get to break the rules? :DAre the rules at Akane Chitlom the same as Akane 33?

[M P Lurker]

Ben Ten opened about 2 weeks ago. I was there on Thursday, April 3. I chose Jane, who worked at Ogoto, the other MP of the owner of Ben Ten. She says she's 19, comes from Yasothorn, and worked at Ogoto for one year. She looks better in the picture than in person, but very cute and playful nevertheless. She's the prettiest of all the staff there, IMHO. <cut>Soi Walker,I have put Ben ten on the Map:http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.732048,100.570049&spn=0.052444,0.081282&z=14Could you possibly do me a favour and zoom in and check the placement of the flag marker? Its bound to be wrong.But you might be able to help me correct it by indicating move x metres South or North or whatever and indicate which side of the road its on as well would be great.Unfortunately I'm not in BKK right now. Otherwise could easily check myself.

[NicFrenchy]

do vips get to break the rules? :dare the rules at akane chitlom the same as akane 33?there is no such thing as a vip card at akane. you can choose to upgrade from a regular to a vip room at both branches.soi 33: as they do not have vip rooms on premises, you go to the peepin hotel next door and rumor has it that a few girls might offer fs (but as everything in thailand, ymmv). cost: n/a as you need to pick a vip 2 girls course to go to the hotel.chidlom: they have 2 vip rooms on the 4th floor but the rooms are the same as a regular room, just a little bit wider and with beds a tiny bit bigger (not worth it in my opinion. cost: 180thb extra
what does a vip card indicate? what did you do to qualify? or does it indicate 10 visits and get passed from one guy to another?the card we are talking about is a service card that is given to you at the end of each session. this card has 2 sides and indicates the name of the girl you had, the date and which massage you ordered. (see pics attached)

[M P Lurker]

11. Patpong, Silom, Rama 4 and beyond to Rama 3 Important Soapy Massage Parlours at this location: Infinty JC PatPong* Versailles* Plaza Onsen PatPong Takara IDA Sahara Sauna (closed)9.1. Infinity JC PatPong 9.1.1. OverviewThai: เจซี jay-seeRating: Superb array of girls with a few stunners at times. Recommended.Services: Soapie/Bath, Body Massage in tub, Full SexAddress: "Soi to Montien Hotel", 56 Suriwongse (Surawong) Road, Pat Pong Tel: 02 234 0301 -3Opening Hours: 12:00?-24:00Website: GDiary Site (http://www.gdiary.com/JCPatpong); PVB Site (http://www.**************.com/jc-massage-patpong/)Price (Mar2008): 2500฿(2Hr), 3000฿, 3500฿ Possible that asians my get cheaper?9.1.3. General InfoWhen I first arrived there were 20 girls in the fishbowl and a few on the sideline. I was stunned because 3 or 4 girls looked really stunning and sexy. Hit the perfect time for the best girls but by chance had just completed a bath at nearby Versailles so wasn't ready for action. When I returned, another day, to make a booking the selection was not as good, but still found a girl with a good body for an enjoyable session.Definitely an up-scale place with a classy look.9.1.4. Notes on the ServiceNice BJ and body slide in the tub.9.1.5. How to Get There1. On MRT underground subway, go to Silom station. Walk west on Rama 4 road turning left into Surawong. Opposite Pat Pong 2 is Soi leading to the Montien Hotel. On the left of this Soi is Infinity JC.2. On BTS skytrain, go to Sala Daeng station. Walk along Silom road till get to Soi Pat Pong (1 or 2 will do). Walk through Patpong 2 (or 1) till get to Surawong road. Opposite Pat Pong 2 is the Soi leading to the Montien Hotel. On the left of this Soi is Infinity JC. 3. Alternatively take a taxi to Montien Hotel. 9.1.6. RemarksThe papasans were very attentive and urging me to take 2 girls, but I declined and insisted on just one. Unless you know the girls well, they can be inhibited with another girl. 9.1.7. Links to Recent ReportsGoogle Maps: BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.754892,100.576229&spn=0.104878,0.162563&z=13)Apr 2008: Mick Licker (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=726342&highlight=Infinity#post726342)Apr 2008: Mick Licker (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=726107&highlight=Infinity#post726107)Mar 2008: Escort Fan (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=724762&highlight=Infinity#post724762)Mar 2008: Satrai2000 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=723460&highlight=Infinity#post723460)Mar 2008: Mick Licker (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=723406&highlight=Infinity#post723406)9.2. Versailles Massage* (New Versailles) 9.2.1. OverviewThai: นิว แวร์ซายน์ new wear-saiRating: Good value with some pretty girls at times. Services: Soapie/Bath, Massage, Full SexAddress: 796-800 Rama 4 road, Sam Yam, BKK,East of Rose Hotel, near back of Montien Hotel, near Galaxy RestaurantTel: 02 238 1039, 089 045 1029, 089 044 8127 (Nit "Chear"person)Opening Hours: 14:00-23:30 W.E.13:00Website: Soapy Massage Site (http://www.soapy-massage.com/versailles-massage-parlor-silom-patpong-bangkok.html#Versailles_Massage_&_Turkish_Bath_House_-_Patpong_Bangkok); GDiary (http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.gdiary.com/ShopDetails.cfm%3FShopID%3D265)Price (Mar2008): (1.5Hr) #B:1500฿, Red("pretty girl"):2000฿,#S(side-line):2500฿9.2.3. General InfoQuiet an upscale place with a moderate number of girls. Most girls in the fishbowl with a few "pretty girls" and a few "side-line". I chose a "pretty girl" at 2nd level price and she had a great body to go with the face. Was very sweet and had an enjoyable session. Room was spacious and good quality.9.2.4. Notes on the Service9.2.5. How to Get There1. From Rama 4 road enter at the huge Galaxy sign (not far from Surawong Road) and East of Sam Yan MRT station. Veer left and Versailles is building at the back with the Roman columns, on left corner of Soi leading to Rose Hotel.2. From Surawong road, the Soi just west of Soi to Montien Hotel leads to Rose Hotel. At Rose Hotel turn right and left and right again takes you to Versailles with the Roman columns on your right side.9.2.6. Remarks9.2.7. Links to Recent ReportsGoogle Maps: BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.754892,100.576229&spn=0.104878,0.162563&z=13)Mar 2008: Mick Licker (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=723406&highlight=Versailles#post723406)9.3. Plaza Onsen (PatPong) 9.3.1. OverviewThai: พลาซ่า plah-SAH!Rating: Mediocre small line-upServices: Soapie/Bath, Massage, Full SexAddress: 9 Pat Pong II road, Silom, BangkokTel: 02 234 4554, 02 233 9422, 02 234 3691, 081-020-9987(Nok)Opening Hours: 15:00?or17:00?-2:00?Website: Gdiray translate to Eng (http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.gdiary.com/ShopDetails.cfm%3FShopID%3D434); Guide to the Big Mango (http://guide.2thebigmango.com/thailand/bangkok/massage/soapies/silom/patpong/plaza-massage/)Price (Mar2008): 2Hr:1600฿ Surchrg:unclear? 9.3.3. General InfoSmall fishbowl with not that many girls. Not likely to really compete with other MPs nearby. Probably involved in rip-offs since a mamasan and a papasan quoted me different prices than each other even though I spoke Thai to them (but separately).Papasan tells me that "Onsen" is a japanese word indicating a Japanese bath where all is above board. But thats just to fool the Japanese wives. Definitely sex going on. 9.3.5. How to Get There1. MRT underground subway to Silom. Walk along Silom road on Nth side and turn right at Soi Pat Pong 2. Easy to miss it in day time. But has a sign advertising some exotic Disco. Only a short way up this Soi on the right. 2. BTS skytrain to Sala Daeng station then as for MRT instructions.9.3.6. RemarksThis place was gutted by fire in 2006, but has re-opened.9.3.7. Links to Recent ReportsGoogle Maps: BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.754892,100.576229&spn=0.104878,0.162563&z=13)Mar 2008: Mick Licker (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=723406&highlight=Plaza#post723406)9.4. Takara 9.4.1. OverviewRating: Probably best to avoid.Services: Soapie/Bath, Massage, B-Course Body Slide, Full SexAddress: 54 Patpong 1, SilomTel: 02 634 0008Opening Hours: 18:00-24:00 W.E.14:00Website: Guide to the Big Mango (http://guide.2thebigmango.com/thailand/bangkok/massage/soapies/silom/patpong/takara-massage/)Price: 1500฿ +9.4.3. General InfoIntended for tourists. Can be ripped off if taken here by touts. Must enter on your own and deny any touts that follow.Have yet to visit this place so not much known.9.4.5. How to Get There1. MRT underground subway to Silom. Walk along Silom road on Nth side and turn right at Soi Pat Pong 1 (after Soi Pat Pong 2). Half way up this Soi on the left. Its on the right if approaching from Surawong road.2. BTS skytrain to Sala Daeng station then as for MRT instructions.9.4.7. Links to Recent ReportsGoogle Maps: BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.754892,100.576229&spn=0.104878,0.162563&z=13)Mar 2008: Sainter21 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=723733&highlight=Takara#post723733)Nov 2005: Sainter21 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=412692&highlight=Takara#post412692)9.5. IDA 9.5.1. OverviewThai: ไอด้า ai-Dar!Rating: Not yet visitedServices: Soapie/Bath, Massage, Full SexAddress: 1316 Soi Wat Phai Ngoen, Sathu Pradit Road, Rama 3, Bangkhlo, Bangkholaem Tel: 02 674 8501-3Opening Hours: 15:00-24:00 W.E.14:00 Website: I Like Massage (http://www.ilikemassage.com/ida/); Bangkok999 site (http://www.bangkok999.com/location_det.asp?id=84); GDiary Eng (http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.gdiary.com/ShopDetails.cfm%3FShopID%3D258)Price: 1700฿, 2000฿, SL:2200฿9.5.3. General InfoA bit out of the way so likely to appeal to local Thais.9.5.5. How to Get There1. Very tricky so you will need a taxi driver who knows the place most likely.9.5.7. LinksGoogle Maps: BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.754892,100.576229&spn=0.104878,0.162563&z=13) 9.6. Sahara Sauna (closed) 9.6.1. OverviewAddress: Near corner Rama 4 and Sathorn Neua, Silom Website: Soapy Massage site (http://www.soapy-massage.com/sahara-sauna-massage-parlor-silom-patpong-bangkok.html#Sahara_Sauna_&_Massage_-_Silom_-_Bangkok_)9.6.3. General InfoOnly a vacant block remains with a couple of spirit houses.9.6.7. LinksGoogle Maps: BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.754892,100.576229&spn=0.104878,0.162563&z=13)Mick Licker (April 2008)

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10. Uruphong Junction and Chinatown Important Soapy Massage Parlours near Uruphong Junction (Rama 6 with New Petchaburi Road, Ratchathewi): Sao Botan Bacara (Closed)Important Soapy Massage Parlours around Chinatown (Yaowarat): The Cleopatra (ex Harlem) Texas Cafe 10.1. Sao Botan (S.Botan) 10.1.1. OverviewThai: สาว โบตั๋น sao bow-dtanRating: A good budget establishment with plenty of girls Services: Soapie/Bath, Massage, B-Course Body Slide, Full SexAddress: 29/1 Soi 13 Rama 6 road, Rong Meuang, BKKTel: 02 216 6395 -6, 083 179 4191 (joker pasasan "Top"- reliability unknown) Opening Hours: 14:00-24:00 W.E.12:00Website: Guide to the Big Mango (http://guide.2thebigmango.com/thailand/bangkok/massage/soapies/other/s-botan/); Soapy Massage (http://www.soapy-massage.com/s-botan-pp-cafe-massage-parlor-rama-vi-road-bangkok.html); GDiary Eng (http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.gdiary.com/ShopDetails.cfm%3FShopID%3D303)Price: 1HR:1000฿ (older girls), 1.5HR:1500฿, 2000฿ 10.1.3. General Info PP Cafe is at the front. In the side Soi is entrance to Thai Massage and 2nd Entrance for Turkish Bath (Soapy Massage). A mid-size place with about a lot of girls (up to 50) in the Soapy fishbowl, including some reasonably attractive girls in the higher price brackets. Not many really young girls.Will suit a budget conscious punter. 10.1.5. How to Get ThereS.Botan, is located on Rama VI road at Soi 13, which is approximately 250 yards away from the Uruphong junction, past the bridge over Klong San Saep, and a similar distance from the intersection with Rama I road. The nearest hotel is Sol Twins Towers. Catch the BTS Skytrain to National Stadium station (at MBK Centre). Head 600m west and turn right into Rama 6 immediately after passing under the Sirat expressway. Its up on the left maybe another 300m at Soi 13 (well before the canal bridge). A short taxi ride from BTS or walkable in nice weather. 10.1.7. Links to Recent ReportsGoogle Maps: BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.754892,100.576229&spn=0.104878,0.162563&z=13)Mar 2008: Fast Eddie 48 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=724573&highlight=Botan#post724573)Mar 2008: Satrai2000 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=723460&highlight=Botan#post723460)Mar 2008: Mick Licker (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=723141&highlight=Botan#post723141)Feb 2008: Orange Sunshine (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=706080&highlight=Sao+Botan#post706080)Mar 2006: Oldian (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=444389&highlight=Botan#post444389)Jun 2005: hulolado (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=364328&highlight=Botan#post364328)Mar 2005: uranyi (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=348551&highlight=Botan#post348551)10.2. Bacara 10.2.1. OverviewAddress: Soi 4 Petchaburi Road, Uruphong Junction, Website: Soapy Massage (http://www.soapy-massage.com/bacara-massage-parlor-petchaburi-road-bangkok.html#Bacara_Turkish_Bath_House_&_Massage_Petc)10.2.3. General InfoThis place is now closed.10.2.7. Links to Recent ReportsGoogle Maps: BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.754892,100.576229&spn=0.104878,0.162563&z=13)Mar 2008: Mick Licker (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=723141&highlight=Bacara#post723141)10.3. The Cleopatra Entertainment & Night Club 10.3.1. OverviewThai: เดอะ คลีโอพัตรา Rating: Too few girls to recommend. Maybe have a look if happen to be in Chinatown. Services: Soapie/Bath, Massage, B-Course Body Slide, Full SexAddress: 721 Maitri Chit Road, PomphrapSatruPhai, next to Sri Kung Hotel Tel: 02 222 5506, 08 1694 7234 (papasan Thanat) Opening Hours: 13:00-23:30Website: ex-Harlem (http://www.soapy-massage.com/harlem-massage-parlor-chinatown-bangkok.html#Harlem_massage_parlour_Chinatown_Bangkok)Price: 1.5Hr 1000฿, 1500฿10.3.3. General InfoUsed to be called "Harlem". Not to be confused with Halem(Harem) in Petchburi Road. After the closure of "New Cleopatra" in Din Daeng road, this one has taken over the "Cleopatra" name, but is a far smaller cheaper establishment. A small fishbowl with not many girls.When I went there the only girl that appealed was in the higher price bracket and was already booked. 10.3.5. How to Get ThereCatch the MRT Underground (Subway) to Hua Lamphong station. Head east crossing the canal. Turn right and vear off at an angle to the road following canal edge into Maitrichit road. "The Cleopatra" sign should be visible on the right not far. If its not, you are probably not in the right road (its a bit tricky). 10.3.5. RemarksGet a card from papasan, and after 10 visits stamped, get a freebie.10.3.7. Links to Recent Reports Google Maps: BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.754892,100.576229&spn=0.104878,0.162563&z=13)Mar 2008: Licker (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=698414&highlight=Cleopatra#post698414)Jan 2008: Maa Paa (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=698414&highlight=Cleopatra#post698414) 10.4. Texas Cafe 10.4.1. OverviewThai: เท็กซัส tek-satRating: Don't bother unless staying right near by, not fussy, and looking for a cheapy. Services: Soapie/Bath, Massage, B-Course Body Slide, Full SexAddress: 177 Soi Trok Sai, Yaowarat Road, Samphantawong, Opposite Chinatown Hotel Tel: 02 223 3521 Opening Hours: 12:00-23:30Website: Soapy Massage (http://www.soapy-massage.com/texas-cafe-massage-parlor-chinatown-bangkok.html#Texas_Cafe_&_Massage_-_Chinatown_-_Bangk); GDiary to Eng (http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.gdiary.com/ShopDetails.cfm%3FShopID%3D291)Price: 1.5Hrs 1000฿, 1500฿. 10.4.3. General InfoThe outside looks like a dump, but inside is more spacious. Small to medium sized fishbowl with not a very exciting selection of girls when I visited. Almost all girls were over-weight and the remainder rather plain. Overall I wasn't impressed. 10.4.5. How to Get ThereHead for the China Town Hotel, in Yaowarat Road. Cross the road and its in a tiny pedestrian Soi off this road just a little to the Nort-West of the Hotel.10.4.7. Links to Recent ReportsGoogle Maps: BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.754892,100.576229&spn=0.104878,0.162563&z=13)Mar 2008: Mick Licker (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=723141&highlight=Texas#post723141)Jul 2005: Member #3401 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=374493&highlight=Texas#post374493)Mick Licker (Apr 2008)

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bangkok soapy massage parlours guide (turkish bath houses) v3 this report gives an overview about "soapy" massage parlours (mps), also known as turkish bath houses or อาบ อบ นวด arp op nuat! in thai. this is intended to be an extension to giotto's sukhumvit mp list, and therefore his report approach is imitated. update v3: includes chapter 10 urupong junction & chinatown, chapter 11 pat pong/silom/rama 3, bkk soapy mp maps (via google), and some more useful links.as there are many soapy venues, it will not be possible for me to try them all regularly, and my opinions would be biased anyway, so i will be relying on reports from forum members about these places, to help to form up to date information (if possible). i would particularly like to hear from forum members on how much they paid and how they rated the girls, rooms, and other staff, what they received, and whether they would repeat with same girl or a different girl. every effort will be made to make this information independent, representative of general forum views, and "free" from financial influence. links are provided for information only and should not be viewed as advertising any particular venue. for ratings i will try to assess how popular is the venue, number of isg reports, numbers of girls, prices, whether venue is suited to thais or farangs (non-asians), and ease of getting there, and frequency of a pleasant to good time, although we cannot assess the performance of girls as they vary as do customer expectations. the nearest mrt subway (underground rail mass rapid transit) or bts skytrain (bangkok transit system) stations will be specified where relevant. the reports will be divided up by district where the mps are located, rather than by type of service. links to recent forum reports on specific venues will be provided.this introduction report is divided into sections:1. bangkok soapy massage districts2. services at a soapy massage parlour3. general tips about soapy massage parlours4. useful website links5. acknowledgements to forum members with major contributions6. disclaimer1. bangkok soapy massage districts recommended mps will be shown in bold type. an asterisk will mean exceptionally good value prices. *ea will mean exceptionally good prices for east asians only due different pricing for farangs (non east asians).1.1. sukhumvit road (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=659354#post659354) (sukhumwit) just the soapies: annies* darling turkish bath house chavala ii (chavalla)see giottos mp list: october 2007 mp list update (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=659354#post659354), or go directly to one of the three parts of interest to you: part 1 - intro / soapy/bath places (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=659353#post659353) part 2 - oily massage (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=659352#post659352) part 3 - theme massage places/epilogue (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=659351#post659351) 1.2. ratchada-phisek road near to sutthisan mrt (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=701186) poseidon entertainment complex - venus showcase (2nd fl) copa cabana malibu* (barbara) pasaya 1.3. ratchada-phisek road near huai-khwang mrt (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=701177) nataree emmanuelle colonze 2* mirage (closed) caesars entertainment*ea hi-class selene* (ex-maliryn,ex-maleena) tharnthong1.4. asoke/din-daeng (rama 9 mrt) intersection (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=701173) new cleopatra amsterdam (ex-champs elysees) long beach* (ex-honolulu love boat club) [b]utopia entertainment*ea 1.5. rama 9 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=701171) la defense (ex-juliana) catherine* colonze 1* victoria's secret* noar* chailai 1.6. new petchaburi road - makkasan (sukhumvit 3) to beyond asoke (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=701166) plaza entertainment level 2 (sherbert)*ea cupidy (pe level 1)*ea de lila (pe level 6) oscar/velunda/angara harem (halem) atami (closed) mona lisa (closed - renovate) new york (closed)1.7. new petchaburi road (rca to ekkamai) (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=701161) petch siam christina* sai fon (saiphon) pornpetch bangkok cozy* riviera hawaii* angelina* (ex-new stella/zodiac) 1.8. new petchaburi beyond ekkamai to pattanakan road (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=701157) meree* evita*(avita) biwa caf?*ea nancy* tarawadee (ex-osaka) 1.9. sri-ayuthaya road & pratu-nam (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=701156) j-one caf? (j1)*ea chaophya 2* (chaophraya ii) chavala (chavalla) venus 1.10. uruphong junction and chinatown (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=730484) sao botan* bacara (closed) the cleopatra (ex harlem) texas cafe 1.11. patpong/silom/rama iv area and beyond to rama 3 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=730483) infinty jc patpong versailles* plaza onsen patpong takara ida sahara sauna (closed) 1.12. phra pin klao and thonburi (west side of chaophraya river) snow white 1 valentine massage 1 (star cafe) chaophya 3* valentine 2 (hadpattayanana) massage krung thon complex snow white 2 melrose details not yet available. see soapy mps on google maps site2. services at a soapy massage parlour อาบ อบ นวด arp op nuat! in thai, can be abreviated to อ.อ.น. , where "arp" means to bathe, "op" means bake (not to be taken literally here - think of heat in the bath), and "nuat" means massage, although a soapy mp (or turkish bath) experience may be more about the bathing and sex, than about massage. good quality massage can be found at some establishments and sensual body to body massage (not real massage) is sometimes available for turning on the customers. although sex is strictly forbidden at most soap mps and signs on the wall say its forbidden, it is well accepted that most customers are expecting to get sex at nearly every soapy mp. some girls may do very special sex services such as anal (or other risky things), but this would not be normal. bbbj may be non-standard at some mps (but very customer and girl dependent). a soapy massage parlor can be a large multi-story entertainment complex in some cases or can be a much smaller building with just soapy/bath/massage available. the basic service consists of the customer selecting a girl from a seated line up, sometimes behind a very large glass window or panel (known as a fish-bowl or fish-tank). the girl then takes the customer to a private room where he is very thoroughly bathed by the girl with the girl often taking off her clothes to join him in the larger than normal bath. after lengthy cleaning is complete, they then migrate to the bed or table for massage and special services including sex. many soapy mps are better termed "turkish bath houses" because many girls may not know how to massage at all. lots of guys are really just going for bathing with a girl followed by sex on a bed. so without the extended bath cleansing and bath play, we can't really call it a "soapy"the girls may be divided into different sections or classifications and have different prices. sections might be: super-stars (normal girls), side-line (more expensive), vip or models section (more money), b-course (body slide), traditional thai massage, with the last two sections not present at every establishment. however be aware that not all girls available at mps are expert at real massage.some establishments have a section of girls fully trained in "ancient thai healing massage" (traditional massage) in thai known as นวด แผน โบราณ nuat paen borarn. can be abbreviated to น.ผ.บ. these masseuses may not offer full sex at some venues, or may offer it for an extra fee. at some venues, all girls may be fully massage trained.some venues provide a special form of erotic massage known as "b course", "body slide", or "tora". in this form of massage, the man lies naked on a blow-up plastic air mattress. the naked girl covers him with warm slippery suds or gel and then slides all over him, using her softer parts such as breasts, bottom, thighs to do the massaging of his entire body. this stimulation is usually guaranteed to cause an erection. usually girls providing this form of massage are voluptuous or at least large breasted. they may receive slightly higher payment as the body-slide is tiring. the following web site still pictures may explain better than words: www.soapymassage.com/main.html. many soapy mps that have no b-course on a blow-up mattress may still provide body to body massage sliding on slippery suds in the bath tub. this will be known as "body massage" rather than b-course. large entertainment complexes may include: restaurants, bars, karaoke, singers and comedians performing on stage, etc.rating an mp based on experience with a particular girl is fairly meaningless. girls can vary a lot. even the same girl can perform quite inconsistently on different days or for different customers. one guy's gfe is another guy's weak performer, depending on chemistry and customer expectation of the service. so mostly mps will be rated on popularity, price, value for money, and standard of the rooms, and average looks of the girls. it can make some sense to rate particular girls to indicate when an mp with a weak selection of girls can have some superb performers. however the girls that work in an mp is forever changing rapidly. this guide cannot track the movements of popular star performers. many of the girls are too shy to dance nude in a go-go bar but are able to get their gear off in a private room.soapies are probably not the best choice for someone looking for a pornstar experience. in general, the experienced girls will also be reasonably experienced in sex. most girls are probably not into anal, most will require the use of condoms, some will not do bbbj or not with every customer, some may not into kissing (its too easy to catch viruses putting the girl out of action). for pornstar extreme sex, places like eden and tulip may be better options. the best blow jobs are likely to be at blow job specialty shops like [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and the star of light. soapy mps are a good choice for someone looking for a discreet relaxing sex session without the need for a hotel room. you have the chance to select the girl of your choice and the only competition you face is the possibility of another customer choosing the girl first or booking the girl. for those who need to "chat up" a girl first, the girl can be called over for a drink and chat first, before a decision is made. there need not be a great deal of high powered conversation as many soapy girls can't speak english or only know a few phrases. however some older girls may well be chosen by thai regular customers, not only for their massage expertise but also their ability to converse and act as part time counselors on all sorts of life problems experienced by the customers. so different customers have vastly different specs for the girl to be selected. the standard soapy routine: don't arrive in the taxi unless you are sure that it is safe from taxi surcharge rip-offs. you enter the mp and approach the fishbowl. a papasan comes up and starts to introduce the prices and girls i reply that i have been there before and take a long time to decide. optionally sit down and have a drink while waiting for superior girls to come back to the fishbowl (or side-line). optionally call a girl out for a chat first (this is best left to experienced soapy mongers). the papasan will continue to hassle me with suggested girls. i might ask him if girl x has real breasts or has a tight body? i finally make my own choice. he indicates to her that she is just now chosen or calls out her number on the p.a. he takes me to the counter to pay. i give him a small tip from the change if he didn't irritate me. if i am taking any advice from him (risky), i will delay and tip him only at the end, and only if his advice was excellent. the girl comes out, i introduce myself, and i ask her name. we take the elevator (lift) to the correct floor. enter the room and take the shoes off. the housekeeper delivers some soapy supplies. the girl switches on the tv and starts filling the bath. a waitress comes to receive the drinks order for yourself and the girl (food can be ordered also). the waitress returns with the drinks and you pay (you are expected to pay for what the girl orders as well). the waitress returns with the change. you should leave her a tip (20 baht minimum) as she doesn't receive wages. to save time waiting for the waitress, you can instruct her to keep the change (if you only overpaid by a small amount). after all this mucking around the girl helps you to undress. she then undresses herself usually wrapping a towel around herself as she is modest. finally if the bath is now full enough and the temperature is o.k., you can get into bath during the bath you don't need to decide anything. she will indicate what you should do by voice or hand signals she will soap up your entire body but spend extra time on your armpits, arse (ass for americans), and dick. getting an erection is no problem. during the washing of your body, she is probably subconsciously working out whether she wants to bbbj or cbj (some girls never bbbj) and whether kissing is on (some never do). the girl may commence a bbbj in the bath. the girl may give a body massage in the bath, using her sudsy breasts, bottom, and pussy mound. on exit from the bath (or entry), go very carefully. its easy to slip over and crack your skull. if a b-course girl, you may migrate to the inflated mattress for a full body-slide massage, firstly face down, and then face up. if erect (almost always), sex on the sudsy mattress may be permitted. another option is to have the b-course while the bath is still filling to save time (bath fills very slowly in some mps) after exit from the bath or mattress, the girl will assist you to get dried. you then migrate to the bed. you may have to wait for the girl to wash her pussy thoroughly. if she is a traditional or other proper massage girl she will probably then give you a massage. if she isn't you can indicate a desire for a massage by lying face down. some soapy mp girls don't know anything much about massage but most should have had some training. if you have a hard on still or motion her to lie down, it will be fairly obvious what you want. some customers either skip the massage (assume the girl doesn't do good massage), or leave the massage till the end with whatever time might be remaining. if receiving a massage, the girl may not know whether you want sex or not. strangely, some customers go just for relaxation and conversation with the girl. its possible for the time to get away leaving not enough time for sex. so make it clear or watch the clock (its no problem for those who skip the massage). if original price was not all inclusive (not common these days as most places have all inclusive prices), you will have to negotiate a price for extras. fs will probably be an extra 1000 baht as a minimum. sex usually commences with the girls mouth on your nipples. but i soon upset the girls normal procedure by going down on her first. the telephone will ring a few minutes before time has expired to warn that its time to wash again before leaving or you can pay to extend for another period. if you are a very difficult customer, the girl won't consider extension. if all things are well, she will probably assume that you will not extend. so if you want to extend, you need to say so smartly. be careful not to slip again when going to the bath to get cleaned up. if the girl worked hard for you or gave you a very nice time, you can give her an extra tip (don't bother to tip unless its at least 300 baht more (100 baht looks sort of silly). 500 baht is good. 1000 baht is a really good tip. more than that is getting into extremely generous. for some girls, even a small tip can make a huge difference to them. if you want to repeat with a girl, you need to jot down her name and badge number and try to get her phone number. get a phone number from a papasan who speaks good english so that you can book your favorite girl in the future. if the papasan has given you good advice, give him a tip (otherwise not). always tip for service unless its bad service. 3. general tips about soapy massage parlours 3.1. arriving by taxi to a soapy mp is not advised at many locations where the taxi is paid commission for taking you there. you will then be charged a much higher rip-off price to cover what the adviser and taxi-driver will split between them. for these venues, you can take the taxi to a very close hotel, for example, and then walk the remainder. if in any doubt, don't arrive directly by taxi. take a taxi to a nearby hotel instead, and walk from there is best. if you must arrive by taxi or tuk tuk, then giotto recommends to wait outside for awhile until the taxi safely leaves and disappears into the distance. 3.2. out the front of the girls are "advisers" or "cheer-persons", sometimes called papasans or mamasans, who quote the prices and give advice about which girl should be chosen. they do not always give reliable advice. some may quote rip-off prices to tourists/newbies at some venues. some receive commissions or kick-backs from girls who they recommend. who can give the adviser a small tip (if they have given good advice - after your session is safest) as this is how they make their money. don't tip for bad advice. often its best to consider which girls you personally like first and ask the adviser if you are unsure. perhaps you would like to know what her figure is like or are the breasts real or fake and what size. don't allow the adviser to push you to a girl that isn't your type.3.3. some mps have a special extra surcharge for non-east-asian customers (known as farangs). this can be 500 baht, 1000 baht, or even 1500 baht. the girl will probably receive only half of the surcharge. the reason for it is unclear. some venues try to discourage foreigners unless they have plenty of money which may or may not correspond to upper-class. some venues believe foreigners can afford to pay more. others may consider that girls are at more risk of being hurt by foreigners with extra large dicks but this doesn't explain why the girl doesn't receive the whole surcharge. long time customers may be able to avoid farang surcharge in some cases dependent on the papasan involved. 3.4. a few mps have very inconsistent prices. the papasans may try to fleece unsuspecting newbies by quoting ridiculously inflated prices and pocketing the extra money. certainly newcomers should avoid these places. they may still be suitable for regular customers or those who can give the impression of being an experienced customer. some well known rip-off venues will be identified (although could happen at many venues). sometimes its more dependent on the personality of the papasan about how much they try to rip off newcomers. knowing the official prices before you get there can help and perhaps try to specify the price you expect before they quote you a price to indicate you know what the price should be. 3.5. its not a good idea to visit mp venues recommended by touts on the street or by taxi drivers. these people will receive a significant to very high commission that will come out of your pocket. the venues may well be inferior and not necessarily the ones shown in their brochures.3.6. choosing a girl with who you will have the right chemistry is a bit of a gamble and even experienced mongers can have bad luck choosing a below average girl on occasions. girls who put on an "act" are risky. girls who are absolute newcomers with no experience can also be risky. they may not know how to do anything. calling a girl out for a drink and chat first before deciding on the session has helped some forum members make a good decision (assumes she speaks your language). 3.7. it can be difficult to assess a girl's figure while she is sitting down. large bottoms or thighs can be obscured. push-up bras can make their tits look bigger. plenty of girls have silicone implants and nose-jobs. despite difficulty to see the girls figure properly, at least we know she is really a woman. there are no ladyboys.3.8. some parlor girls don't have much english. varies by venue. this should not be viewed as a big problem. attend these places primarily for a relaxing bath and sex. if you require an expert massage, consult with the papasan as to who is expert.3.9. its quite possible to obtain the cell-phone number of a mp girl or a cheer-person so that you can check when a particular girl is working. i maintain p4p phone numbers in my monger-sim in my cheap monger-cell-phone. this phone is only switched on when i choose. 3.10. it is normally expected that you will pay for your own and one lady drink in the room shortly after you enter. drink waitresses rely on small tips to make a living.3.11. at many soapy mps, the price, e.g. 1800 baht is all inclusive, meaning that you get sex as well. however if the price is around 500 baht, it is likely to be a massage price only. the girl will then expect an extra tip for sex of possibly 1000 baht which should be discussed to avoid misunderstanding. a blow job would usually be cheaper and a hand relief, cheaper still. a girl will probably receive half of an all inclusive price, or even less if she has to split with an agent. so extra tips are appreciated by the girls. give extra tips for good service or where negotiated for sex that was not included in original price. 3.12. at many soapy mps, the official opening time may be 13:00 for example, but often not many girls are made up and ready before 15:00.3.13. an mp is really only as good as the girl you choose. should you find a "star" performer, consider repeating in the future rather than taking the gamble of choosing a new girl. however its best to build a list of favorites to avoid disappointment since often you favorite may be busy, away, no longer working, etc. 3.14. beware that there are some soapy mps reported to discriminate racially or by skin color, claiming to be a private members club to some would-be customers. in case of mistake, i don't wish to name any. a few mps may not accept any farangs whatsoever, or perhaps only those who speak thai. 3.15 all customers should dress at least good casual and be as body odor free as possible well when visiting mps, particularly the high class establishments. i would not show up in a singlet and thongs! poorly dressed or drunk customers may be refused entry. load mouthed and disrespectful behaviour will also not be viewed favourably. so if the establishment looks classy, act accordingly and remember that many mps are membership clubs as well (this can be seen on some of the web sites) so they wish to maintain quiet decorum so as not to upset the members.3.16 the addresses of some soapies are pretty much useless (not unusual in thailand)! you often need directions in order to find them or a map. telephone no like +66 (0)2 234 5671 -8 shows +66 as the prefix if calling from another country (where the following zero is dropped out) e.g. +6622345671 thru to +6622345678. if calling from inside thailand 02 is bangkok prefix, so all numbers between 022345671 and 022345678. 3.16 the names of some soapies may have multiple spellings when changed to english, e.g. evita (avita); bangkok cozy (cosy); chavala (chavalla, chawala, chawalla); chao phya ii (phaya, phya, cp-ii, cp2, etc). this makes web and forum searches tricky.3.17 strangely the girls in cheaper price brackets, e.g. "fishbowl" girls often (but not always) give better service than sideline girls and "models", who may get carried away with their own self importance. really new girls are a risky proposition as they may not know what to do or may be scared of farangs due to weak english skills. older more experienced girls can be great and still good looking, but very personality dependent. the best choice is often intermediate. fresher girls but with a reasonable amount of experience, even if its not strictly mp experience. 3.18 very heavy traffic popular mps can have very few girls available even though the total girls is large. they may be all busy. the best girls may be snapped up very quickly. in very busy places, you may need to be patient until your ideal choice comes back from a prior session. then you may need to call for her very quickly for someone else takes her away. 3.19 don't show up at official opening time (no girls at all). best arrival time is early but not too early, e.g. 4pm but dependent on the opening time. try to arrive when most the best girls have arrived for not long and just finished their makeup to come out on view. arriving late at night like 11pm can lead to disappointment as best girls are either busy or have gone home already. very busy mps may have no girls left at all by 11pm. 3.20 legally the girls have to be least 18 to work in a soapy mp and these days must have thai identity cards. some mps may be flouting these rules and police raids are possible but probably rare.3.21 girls are required to be tested regularly for general stds and hiv. some mps have on-site testing. this may help prevent faked medical tests.3.22 sadly some girls are on contracts with a papasan who has lent the girl money to get her family out of financial difficulty or provides all lodging, transport, meals etc. this means the mp owner gets approx half of the fee, and the pimp gets half or more of the remainder(sometimes all of it). this has a number of effects. the pimp/papasan will recommend his special contract girl(s) of course. the girls may have been moved to an inflated price bracket (more than what they are worth). if these girls give good service, they will be extremely appreciative of a tip which they may be able to keep without sharing with the pimp. on the other hand, some may be so honest as to tell the pimp about all tips received (this defies belief but thais believe they will have bad luck if deceitful, which is why vote buying in elections works). 3.23 pricing in general assumes 2 hours for fishbowl girls and 1.5 hours for sideline girls and models. b-course girls can be either 1.5 or 2 hours, so usually will be stated. 3.24 some girls may have a child already. these will be less popular with many asian customers as they require very "fresh" girls and very tight pussies.3.25 some mp girls may do 3 customers per day, others only 1, and some, might not even get a single customer, so how much money would be needed to persuade a girl not to go to work. the answer varies tremendously.3.26 can book more than one girl concurrently, but may be disappointed if you didn't ask the girl what she would be comfortable with. some girls are too shy for this.3.27 a girl can refuse to take a particular customer. there is no use being too upset if this should happen since you may not know the reason. some girls are very small and are scared of big dicks. some girls are scared of farangs as they can't speak english. some girls may be scared of certain races, perhaps for no good reason. some girls will refuse any guy with a bad reputation. some girls may refuse a customer based on hearsay from a friend which may have been a completely false story (happened to me once). certainly guys not fit, healthy, and in clean condition can be refused.3.28 do not complain that the supplied condom was too small. take your own supply, if necessary. i always take durex "comfort" and keep durex lube in my bag. ky is too sticky and some girls have no lube at all, assuming that their natural juices will be enough (this would only be true for guys who pop quickly). condoms create friction and therefore require lube as well. 3.29 if your dick won't go in properly, it could be that the girl is wearing a foam sponge internally due to her period just completing recently and too avoid any chance of colour. sponges greatly interfere with comfortable sex. even though you can touch it, some girls will vehemently deny that it is there. others may be prepared to remove it. warning - condoms moving against a sponge causes friction and possible condom breakage. 3.30 how many shots/pops are guaranteed? this is a difficult question to answer simply. there is a general assumption that in 2 hour sessions, there is enough time for 2 shots assuming that the customer reaches each shot relatively easily. this will not apply to all customers. some will be happy with just one shot (that is me), and some get no shots at all (may just want to talk to the girl). i have heard from girls that some customers shoot so easily that they could get 4 or more shots into a session. in general customers should ask beforehand (the girl or maybe the papasan) for 2 shots and negotiate a suitable tip for the girl which may be just 500 baht tip. at some places, such as darling, the girl may expect more tip than that for the 2nd shot. possibly annies are expecting 500 baht already for the first shot and more for the second. catherines and la defense are reputed to guarantee 2nd shots. many mps provide bj and body massage in the tub. if first pop results, then no reason why shouldn't get a 2nd shot on the bed, but best to ask and promise a suitable tip. so in the end the tip has to be commensurate to how the the girl has to work and to the number of shots. cheap charlies will probably find it hard to get more than one shot and any decent service at all. a bangkok cozy girl will only be making 600 baht out of total price of 1300 baht. so promise her a 500 baht tip, and she will be happy to please you. for 1k she might be prepared to go to extra special things. on the other hand, i get good service from most girls before they have any idea what i will tip. but i have hardly ever asked for 2 shots. 4. useful website links google maps: bkk soapy mps (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=utf8&oe=utf8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.754892,100.576229&spn=0.104878,0.162563&z=13)soapy massage - not totally up to date but generally the best site. (http://www.soapy-massage.com/bangkok-soapy-massage-list-a-to-z.html) guide to the big mango (http://guide.2thebigmango.com/thailand/bangkok/massage/soapies/)bangkok999 - detail pages seem to have white print on white background next to headings in yellow. (http://www.bangkok999.com/) if necessary, drag cursor to highlight the text in order to see it. ilm price index 2008 (www.ilikemassage.com/index_price2008.htm)g diary - trans to eng (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=ja%7cen&u=http://www.gdiary.com/searchbusinesstype.cfm%3fbusinesstypeid%3d3%26member%3dyes)g diary - trans to eng (http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7cen&u=http://www.gdiary.com/searchbusinesstype.cfm%3fbusinesstypeid%3d3%26member%3dno)ilikemassage - unfortunately this web site is in thai language (www.ilikemassage.com) midnight - in thai language (www.midnightthailand.com)bath lover - for thai lang experts only (http://www.bathlover.com/index.php?board=3.0)some of the above sites (plus others not listed) directly quote same text as each other on a given mp with no acknowlegement, so who knows where the text originally came from and how old it is.not all useful links can be given due to forum rules concerning other forums, but a google search on words: 'bangkok soapy massage' will pull up some other links with something useful. e.g. to-nite, and private5. acknowledgements to forum members with major contributions by detailed postings "giotto"who maintains the sukhumvit list of mps and always willing to help. "allover" "asiatraveler2" "canyon" "fast eddie 48" "meaty" "nic frenchy" "ralph kramden" "rca knight" "traveller1234" "undercoverh"honorable mentions go to: horntoad, player2, phantomtiger2, kilmarnock, fox2, txl muc, satrai2000 with a few soapy postings. apologies to other soapy expert members of the forum (some more expert than me), however the above members of my "soapy hall of fame" seem to have posted the most detailed information related to their soapy mp experiences over the last two years. the list will be added to, as i research the bangkok mp thread posts.6. disclaimer every effort has been made to make this information free from bias and financial influence. there are no guarantees or warranty attached to any information here. some errors will occur. please be aware that information given may become out of date and this relates particularly to pricing. some venues do not quote exactly the same prices to every customer.your milage may also vary considerably in relation to what particular girls provide and how skilled they are (at massage for example). some details of establishments may not be available until such time as a forum member reports that information. there are many things about venues not known to the author. please assist me to correct wrong information or make suggestions for improvement by sending me a pm. please post your detailed experiences or findings in the bangkok massage parlour thread of the isg forum. author: mick licker (apr 2008)

[Escort Fan]

I have gone to Thongolor II. Not easy to find, but thanks to Mick elite maps. I had no problem to find it next to emporium in a little alley.I went there in the middle of the afternoon after a movie session at the Emporium.Limited line up. Only 4 girls to choose from. I go for JOJO. Looks descent on the picture but in reality, she is very short and her face is really plain. I?d rate her 5 max.I paid 1500 for the scrub massage and the oil massage.Of course she asks if I want the "special". I said ok go for it.The massage was very average. But I gotta say that the venue and the room are super clean.After the scrub massage, I had a nice shower, I was glad cause that shit she puts on me kind of stinks! Then I had the oil massage and the "special" which wasn?t so special. Just a boring CBJ et a boring FS.I?m not sure I?d recommend the place during day time cause the choice is really limited.Honestly the massage isn?t go great so I don?t see what advtange this has against soapies like Darling or the one on Ratchapichek.It?s not cheap either 1500 for Thongolor for the massage course, and 1500 extra for the tip.For 3K there are clearly better options in BKK.And if you want a REAL spa treat. Any 5 stars hotel can do it much better.Overall I don't see what asset a place like this has.

[Traveler1234]

I know there are mongers out there with an extensive breadth of expertise in the real world. Are there are editors or publishers that would be interested in working with Mick to maybe publish a Soapies Guidebook.I bet NicF would be happy to sell advertising for this publication, and a few of us others would be responsible for initial distribution to the various soapie establishments!Mick - you've outdone yourself, again :)

[Orange Sunshine]

I know there are mongers out there with an extensive breadth of expertise in the real world. Are there are editors or publishers that would be interested in working with Mick to maybe publish a Soapies Guidebook.t may be more cost effective and certainly more immediate to have this data hosted somewhere on a sub-domain of ISG or a linked sister site where dated field reports/reviews can be culled and collated. This way, anyone with Internet connection has access to current data anytime during a visit. Each logical section (FAQ, by area, establishment, etc) could also sport a link to a PDF download for those who want the convenience of a condensed printout prior to departing for a trip.I realize this would duplicate other soapie sites but the value differentiator would be CURRENT and DATED reviews. Another option, still electronic, is an e-book which can be sold on-line to cover hosting costs. But this would probably mean monthly updates at best (which may be adequate).I haven't covered the area of copyrights for ISG site contents. Hope these suggestions don't break any forum guidelines. My apologies if they do.

[M P Lurker]

I have gone to Thongolor II. Not easy to find, but thanks to Mick elite maps. I had no problem to find it next to emporium in a little alley.I went there in the middle of the afternoon after a movie session at the Emporium.Limited line up. Only 4 girls to choose from. I go for JOJO. Looks descent on the picture but in reality, she is very short and her face is really plain. I?d rate her 5 max.<cut>Overall I don't see what asset a place like this has.Well obviously some of the other girls are a lot better.Others have had a good time here.I am yet to have a bad experience there. I would say that Bum(Boom), a little cutie on my 2nd last time, was weak in the massage department but she had other attributes that I really liked. A beautiful pussy for starters. I wasn't concerned at all about the massage.Nic often visits several places until he finds what he wants.You should not choose a girl until had a chance to meet her. Then you can just say she is not your type.Once I have got a girl that I like is easier to get the chemistry going.

[M P Lurker]

I know there are mongers out there with an extensive breadth of expertise in the real world. Are there are editors or publishers that would be interested in working with Mick to maybe publish a Soapies Guidebook.I bet NicF would be happy to sell advertising for this publication, and a few of us others would be responsible for initial distribution to the various soapie establishments!Mick - you've outdone yourself, again :)Well a guide needs to be web based so that can be kept up to date. There are not enough people who would want to buy a guide. So advertising sponserdhip would be the only way to go.But really, the interest in in Soapies is low compared to Oilies. My Soapies Map has just got up to around 600 views where as the Oilies Map is well over 16,000 views.That just about sums it up. There are only a small percentage of Soapy Mongers (more popular with Thais) and, of those, many will have their favourite venues already. Some are too far to go when 100s of Oilies are near by in Sukhumwit.To get a lot of interest I would need to appeal to the much wider Thai audience. But my Thai writing skills are weak.So lets not get carried away. I am merely trying to provide an option and encourage guys visiting a soapy to post on what they found. It also causes me to explore new options and sometimes find something worthwhile returning to.The ideal book would be "Freaky tales but true from the Experiences of MP and bar girls". Would be fun doing the research.

[M P Lurker]

t may be more cost effective and certainly more immediate to have this data hosted somewhere on a sub-domain of ISG or a linked sister site where dated field reports/reviews can be culled and collated. This way, anyone with Internet connection has access to current data anytime during a visit. Each logical section (FAQ, by area, establishment, etc) could also sport a link to a PDF download for those who want the convenience of a condensed printout prior to departing for a trip.I will provide a Word and PDF version soon.I appreciate that not everyone wants to carry the laptop with them when visiting MPs.To print a Google Map section, first open the URL which starts up the Google Map. Then in the top right of the Map their is a Print button to click on. A new window will come up with part of the Map. Pan and zoom till it covers the section of interest. Then do a normal "File" and "Print" selecting only the pages that you are interested in. Some pages of the print contain colour photos, so decide if you really want colour or not. The URLs for the Maps:BKK Fun MPs (mainly Sukhumwit) (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.734132,100.566273&spn=0.027889,0.048966&z=15)BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.74989,100.573139&spn=0.11155,0.195866&z=13)

[Ellinas2008]

But really, the interest in in Soapies is low compared to Oilies. My Soapies Map has just got up to around 600 views where as the Oilies Map is well over 16,000 views.I am very surprised to hear that oilies are much more popular than soapies. Personally in my brief experience I found I enjoy soapies much more. I think it is only a matter of convenience. As you said most oilies are in the Sukhumvit area as opposed to the soapies where one has to travel a bit.

[Satrai2000]

I have gone to Thongolor II. Not easy to find, but thanks to Mick elite maps. I had no problem to find it next to emporium in a little alley.I went there in the middle of the afternoon after a movie session at the Emporium.Limited line up. Only 4 girls to choose from. I go for JOJO. Looks descent on the picture but in reality, she is very short and her face is really plain. I?d rate her 5 max.I paid 1500 for the scrub massage and the oil massage.Of course she asks if I want the "special". I said ok go for it.The massage was very average. But I gotta say that the venue and the room are super clean.After the scrub massage, I had a nice shower, I was glad cause that shit she puts on me kind of stinks!Then I had the oil massage and the "special" which wasn?t so special. Just a boring CBJ et a boring FS.I?m not sure I?d recommend the place during day time cause the choice is really limited.Honestly the massage isn?t go great so I don?t see what advtange this has against soapies like Darling or the one on Ratchapichek.It?s not cheap either 1500 for Thongolor for the massage course, and 1500 extra for the tip.For 3K there are clearly better options in BKK.And if you want a REAL spa treat. Any 5 stars hotel can do it much better.Overall I don't see what asset a place like this has.1. At Pink Massage (also in soi 24 but across the road from Thonglor) they use some stinky gel too when you go for the "Gel Massage".2. A question: did you get some "extra service" in one of those hotel's spa's?

[Le Licheur]

I was looking for room service and having problems finding a girl who was available. I ended up calling Orchid. I was told 550 Baht for hotel service and can be there in 30 or 40 minutes. Asked for Tua, yes she?s available. Photos look pretty good so send her over.She was not as slender as I had anticipated based on her website photo. Also told me she was well into her 30?s. Come to think of it, she looked it when she took her clothes off. She didn't look as good as her photo on the agency site. A little loose around the edges. Nice tits but overall, did not do much for me. She gave me a massage and then talked me into fs ? she eventually came down to $2200 all in. She stayed for well over 2 hours. She?s quite willing and looked like she enjoyed it but cannot recommend. No repeat for me with this one.http://www.paithailand.com/orchidmassage/eng/girl-tua.htm

[Easy2007]

I have since tried Thonglor II again, and had a reasonable experience, nothing out of this world, and nothing bad. Just a good session.I would STRONGLY encourage all visitors to "have a look at the girls" in whatever place you go. Simply first of all ask to see the photo book, have a quick look through and then ask to see the girls in a line up.This is highly important.Some girls are tired, some girls have been very busy, some girls are eager to please, some girls prefer non-farang, some girls like young guys, some like old guys etc.You will see this in their facial expression when you see a line up. If you find some girls looking at you, and smiling. Choose one of them. Avoid any that avoid eye contact with you.They are human, they have good days and bad days. You want a good time, so please, do a line up, and look at them, and choose the one you like. Your experience will be, more often than not, ten times better than if you just choose from the photo's.Its your money, you are the customer, you pull the strings. You can call a line up, you can decide which one you want, or none at all.The only obvious downside is that if you call for a line up, you can feel pressured into taking one, even if you like none of them.Only viewing the photo book avoids this, as its easy to say maybe later and walk out.Therefore, this is why I say, look at the book first and then call a line up. If the book does nothing for you, avoid calling the line up if you are the "shy" type who cannot say no with all those girls looking at you.
I have gone to Thongolor II. Not easy to find, but thanks to Mick elite maps. I had no problem to find it next to emporium in a little alley.I went there in the middle of the afternoon ..............................

[M P Lurker]

To print a Google Map section, first open the URL which starts up the Google Map. Then in the top right of the Map their is a Print button to click on. A new window will come up with part of the Map. Pan and zoom till it covers the section of interest. Then do a normal "File" and "Print" selecting only the pages that you are interested in. Some pages of the print contain colour photos, so decide if you really want colour or not. The URLs for the Maps:BKK Fun MPs (mainly Sukhumwit) (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.734132,100.566273&spn=0.027889,0.048966&z=15)BKK Soapy MPs (http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.74989,100.573139&spn=0.11155,0.195866&z=13)P.S. to Printing Maps.I found the Map was narrow compared to the page at first.Using Print preview and then clicking on "Shrink to fit" I could expand to 125% making the map cover the A4 Page.I also found that when printing to an Adobe file, it worked beter out of Windows explorer. Out of Mozilla firefox, the Map markers were imbedded in black squares on my laptop. Here is a sample Map print just 2 Pages to an adobe PDF.Alternatively could save the ouput and print individual selected pages (ranges) to a real printer.

[Mayday14]

Visited Sazanka today - they're closed 15 & 16th.Passed by Angel, closed until 19th

[Gagoo]

Try Semenax (but there is also one called semenex, don't know any reports on that one) and / or ogoplexGo to a Thai Pharmacy and buy some procomil. Has some phamaceutical grade herb extracts, a couple vitamins, minerals and umm.. a little bit of testosterone. Sometimes gave me a slight headache, or a little aggravation, probably because of the testosterone, but it made me want sex more.it is actually made in Germany, and I can tell it was made for the purpose of a mans well being. there are a couple other ones that are similiar but don't have as many ingredients. Seems like only half of the Pharmacies have it.

[NicFrenchy]

Therefore, this is why I say, look at the book first and then call a line up. If the book does nothing for you, avoid calling the line up if you are the "shy" type who cannot say no with all those girls looking at you.I have a big problem with Line ups. Far too mind boggling.Not that I am shy but I always end up wanting to take more than one girl.The Tall one, the busty one, the smily one, the slutty looking one... and the list goes on. Line ups can be dangerous.Having said that, I agree 100%, it is far better to see the girls in flesh before making your decision

[Dinghy]

but, but, but... NICK - you can take as many as your wallet can stand... :)

[Member #3428]

Go to a Thai Pharmacy and buy some procomil. Thanks for the suggestion but that's more for ED it sounds like. Plus not sure about putting on a cream or a spray... my TGF would probably have a problem sucking that after putting things like that one. And causing a headache... why not just go cialis or such. The ones I listed were for output, increase load and # of shot volume over repeated times during the day(s) plus supposedly sweetens the taste if your GF says it's too bitter. Which is what (I thought) Nic was talking about.

[John Euro]

Much has been written about Rin of Hana Massage. But nothing comes even close to the experience I describe below.After all, TGFs come and go, but there is only one Rin!I received some "special treatments " from Rin in the past, so I know what you are talking about, but your girlfriend, having lessons from Rin that?s beyond imagination, a good investment for the future or at least for as long as you can keep here, LOLJE

[NicFrenchy]

The ones I listed were for output, increase load and # of shot volume over repeated times during the day(s) plus supposedly sweetens the taste if your GF says it's too bitter. Which is what (I thought) Nic was talking about.Spot on! that's exactly what I wanted. (Did I thank you for it by the way?) Thanks ;)

[Member #3428]

Spot on! that's exactly what I wanted. (Did I thank you for it by the way?) Thanks ;)No problem. For me, if I take some shots at MP at the day and not perform fully or normal at night the TGF starts questions, and when she's out of town and leaves me alone I like to try to maximize my opportunities with others, for experimental and educational purposes only of course. Plus the TGF says the taste is much sweeter now. And no matter what you say I still think sex is the best exercise :) So the more I can do it the better shape I will be in, the longer I will live, and the more sex I can have. It's a beautiful circle. Mick is dead on also, once I started doing more cardio work outs it helps a crap load too. If you can't get the stuff ordered in let me know I will try to bring some.

[Dan7373]

.... If you find some girls looking at you, and smiling. Choose one of them. Avoid any that avoid eye contact with you....I'd say from my own experience that these Thai ladies are choosing you as much as you are choosing them. And if you want to have a good experience with the lady. Then you'd better make sure that the choice is mutual.When the lady is avoiding eye-contact with you. Then almost certainly this means that she doesn't want you to choose her. And if you choose her anyway. Then you will be sorry. Because she will do only the bare minimum of what's expected and no more.When you go in front of the line up. You've got to remember that the ladies need to look you over just as much as you need to look them over. Because they are choosing their men too.Take your time to look at all the ladies. Make eye contact with those that look at you too. Keep looking back and forth between those who are making eye-contact with you. And choose the one who doesn't move away her eyes from yours and looks more interested in you than all the others.The lady who stares you down is the lady you should choose. Because her stare is an invitation. It shows she isn't shy. She has already made up her mind to be with you. And this means that she is in the mood, and she will try to be a good hostess for you.

[M P Lurker]

<cut>Take your time to look at all the ladies. Make eye contact with those that look at you too. Keep looking back and forth between those who are making eye-contact with you. And choose the one who doesn't move away her eyes from yours and looks more interested in you than all the others.The lady who stares you down is the lady you should choose. Because her stare is an invitation. It shows she isn't shy. She has already made up her mind to be with you. And this means that she is in the mood, and she will try to be a good hostess for you.I partially agree with these sentiments but do not fully subscribe to them.I am choosing a girl. If a girl is not my type, it doesn't matter how enthusiastic she is. It won't be right for me.Firstly, any girl that puts on a big act and seeks your selection in an exaggerated way, should be avoided in my opinion. This could be by excessive facial expressions, nods, or waves from girls in a fish bowl. I don't like girls who put on an act. The sex part might all be an act too.Girls who won't look at you at all, or are concentrating on some other customer, should probably be avoided also, although I have had really great sessions with seemingly aloof girls.If you stare at a girl and she looks away after a bit, this may just be natural shyness, or just not wishing to appear too forward or too desperate. So I do not consider this to be a bad sign at all. I have had great sessions with girls that have some degree of modesty or shyness. Then again I sometimes like wild and wanton girls too.In soapy places, if choosing a seemingly aloof girl, it would be a good idea to call her over for a chat first to see if any chemistry seems to be going. This assumes can communicate at all. Often the more classy girls can appear somewhat aloof.I find Eden an annoying place as you are expected to choose a girl without having a chance to converse with her first. One girl seemed to take exception to be asking her name so I thought it best not to continue.Soapy places have the advantage of being able to watch girls in the fishbowl, seeing how they interact with their friends, and looking for any very ugly facial expressions that can give away the character. However i do get caught out with another customer choosing her before my study is complete.My success rate is choosing a girl for a satisfactory to good session is about 4 out of 5, not counting girls I am repeating with, and maybe 1 out of every 5 or 6 reaches the oustanding mark and requires repeats. However different girls can be outstanding in different ways.Girls I intend to repeat (and mostly have repeated already): 2 at Utopia, 1 at Long Beach, 1 at Emmanuelle, 1 at Thonglor 2, 1 at Tulip, and maybe one at Versailles.Its great to have a list of favourites so that can have a "Sure Thing". Normally at least one is bound to be available. But I have a backup list (looong list) of places I would like to try or try again.Its tough to find time :(

[Jimbo61]

Have taken a couple trips to Rachada Plaza area to hit the Soapies in the area Nataree, Emmanuelle, Hi-Class. Unfortunately I always end up going a bit early between 3-5 PM. I always start at Nataree since in past trips I've had good luck there with very sexy young ladies only one bad experience out of at least a half dozen visits. This time I couldn't see much I liked in the fish bowl and wasn't much to choose from so I moved to Emmanuelle, in 3 visits never saw more than 8 girls in the fish bowl and non that looked too good (to me anyway). Checked Hi-Class last and was pleasantly surprised. Not a lot of girls only a dozen but several slim busty appearing ladies. I chose 573? Who was 2000 baht and had awesome breasts and a very good attitude not too shy. She was not as slim in the hips as I thought but still very sexy. We had a good session, she worked hard. CBJ which I'm not fond of but for me BJ is prelimary warm only anyway.Her boobs were so good I asked her if they were real and she assured me they were. They felt real but were so awesome I thought they may not be.The rooms are small the tubs not big but adequate. If you ever had to get out of that place quickly due to a fire it might be tough since it really is a warren of rooms and hallways/stairways.On my second visit had no luck in Nataree or Emmanuelle for the second straight attemp Hi-Class had only about 8 girls and 573 was not in. But a side girl V22 looked pretty good so called her out. 2300 baht She was definetley more experienced and was good wth bbj and plenty of kissing. I was soaking wet from Sorn Kran experience when I went in but she didn't have any problem and was a lot of fun. Worked hard did very well. I wouldn't hesitate to visit her again. Great boobs again. They were real.Had some fun on my second visit with my squirt gun chasing some of the drink ladies down the hall way. They loved it. By the way they squirted me first.My third visit was ok and the girl 266 did not look as good and was shy. She turned the lights way down, I could have asked her not to but didn't force the issue. She did ok, but would not try her again. Very limited selection this time. Sorn Kran I suppose, was also pretty early 2PM.Hi-Class had not gotten too much positive written about it so I thought I'd give some feedback. They are the best of my trip so far and I've tried Tulip, Eden and somewhere else which I've already forgotten the name (not a good sign).Definetley the best boobs I've gotten my "hands on" in a long while.

[Fon Tok]

I'm arriving late night in BKK later this week. I'll be staying on Soi 33. I'd really like a nice "in room" massage starting at about 2 AM. I'm not interested in a late night BG half ass massage. Anyone have advice on who to call in the neighborhood at this hour for a good massage? Most of the regular MPs close at midnight.Thanks

[Member #3428]

I'm arriving late night in BKK later this week. I'll be staying on Soi 33. I'd really like a nice "in room" massage starting at about 2 AM. I'm not interested in a late night BG half ass massage. Anyone have advice on who to call in the neighborhood at this hour for a good massage? Most of the regular MPs close at midnight.ThanksI'm surprised at you, PM your friend / host on 33. There is atleast one girl there that knows massage and there are others on the street that could be arranged. And I am talking a girl trained in massage. I'm sure that can be arranged.

[NicFrenchy]

I'm arriving late night in BKK later this week. I'll be staying on Soi 33. I'd really like a nice "in room" massage starting at about 2 AM. I'm not interested in a late night BG half ass massage. Anyone have advice on who to call in the neighborhood at this hour for a good massage? Most of the regular MPs close at midnight.ThanksI think your best bet is Sabai Sabai Massage Soi 11. call them to arrange your booking as they are open 24hrs.Check their website: http://www.sabaisabaimassage.com/

[NicFrenchy]

Wanting to indulge in a little bit of Luxury (pun intended) time, I headed to Soi 19 at around 16:00.Usual mamasan greets me, brings me my favourite drink (water) and the book: Songkran sucks! only 3 girls available: Naree, Pla, Chompu.None of these ladies tickled my fancy so I excused myself and the mamasan apologised about the lack of talent (she said the ladies will be back in 2 or 3 days).For those who did not understand, I was talking about Luxury Massage on Sukhumvit soi 19I left without having a massage but plan on visiting Thonglor2 later tonight ;)

[Traveler1234]

I'm surprised at you, PM your friend / host on 33. There is atleast one girl there that knows massage and there are others on the street that could be arranged. And I am talking a girl trained in massage. I'm sure that can be arranged.If we're talking about the same gal, her sister also gives a decent massage ;)

[Jimbo61]

3PM is always a bit early but 3.30 to 4.00 can be good on Fridays and Saturdays, otherwise still a bit early. Its great you have given us a reason to give Hi Class another try.I have only been in twice (I think) before and probably at in-opportune times.But no pics of the girls faces or tits or anything?What sort of ages? Some mongers on the forum seem to want only very young girls (not me). Thats why they like Nataree. I go for up to age 30 typically (but often younger) or even much higher if really good looking.Sorry no photo's. I didn't bring a camera. The first 2 girls had attractive faces and were in there 20's. 22 and 24 if I recall correctly. 573 was from Kanchanburi.One of the girls V22 asked me if I had a girlfriend I told her I did and she told me she did to. She said she did not have a boyfriend. I did ask if her girlfriend worked there but she said she did not. I was getting a few ideas there for a bit.

[Member #3428]

If we're talking about the same gal, her sister also gives a decent massage ;)Yes... you know who I am talking about.

[Dan7373]

....Girls who won't look at you at all, or are concentrating on some other customer, should probably be avoided also, although I have had really great sessions with seemingly aloof girls....(I suppose good sex is all a matter of the lady being in the mood for it. And if you are good at foreplaying the lady. Then you can put her in the mood for it once the session starts.And that's why I don't mind taking out a lady who looks more interested in me than the other ladies. If she is putting on an act. Then her act will continue during our session. And that makes it easy for me to use my best foreplay techniques on her, and get some real enthusiasm out of her.Masturbating the lady with my hand is what I'm talking about here. And I haven't yet found a lady who doesn't get excited from me masturbating her.The problem with un-enthusiastic ladies is that some of them are not interested in you pleasing them. They just want to get you off as quickly as they can and be done with it. And if the lady insists on doing it her way and doesn't let you please her. Then there is nothing you can do to make it good.

[Fon Tok]

If we're talking about the same gal, her sister also gives a decent massage ;)How about PM'ing me and giving me a hint. I'm not exactly sure what time I'll arrive, but if the Spots Bar is open and the mystery girl(s) are there. Hey, I'm a sporting guy! But my neck is killing me from my holiday motorcycle tour down the West Coast (US) and I have 22+hrs of travel starting in about 1 hour. I will definitely need a massage if I am going to have any fun the first few day back in town!

[NicFrenchy]

I have found this place (Platinum Massage) while browsing Raku Raku.Located Sukhumvit Soi 55 (BST: Thonglo) this place caters primarily to Japanese Clientele.They have a "Girl in Swim gear" course that looks interestinghttp://www.raku2.tv/mbdetail_massage.php?id=R010689Anyone tried it yet?

[M P Lurker]

The problem with un-enthusiastic ladies is that some of them are not interested in you pleasing them. They just want to get you off as quickly as they can and be done with it. And if the lady insists on doing it her way and doesn't let you please her. Then there is nothing you can do to make it good.I find that these "bossy" girls are the worst (agreed) but they are not usually the shy and timid ones. They are more likely to be the ones putting on an act.I also find that girls that are scared of fingers in their pussy (just some) are often less scared of a tongue. Tongue can provide a more subtle soft touch that many girls prefer.

[M P Lurker]

I have found this place (Platinum Massage) while browsing Raku Raku.Located Sukhumvit Soi 55 (BST: Thonglo) this place caters primarily to Japanese Clientele.They have a "Girl in Swim gear" course that looks interestinghttp://www.raku2.tv/mbdetail_massage.php?id=R010689Anyone tried it yet?You may notice I put it on the Google Oilies Map as it sounded promising. But I put a question mark symbol indicating "awaiting someone's report".P.S. I can't imagine a swimsuit offering much protection from groping. I hope the girl's line-up outfit is the swimsuit too.Previously i had found a GDiary and an individual site. So the Raku site is probably new. I like Jane and Fon photos.This Raku site lists the various Oily MPs:http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raku2.tv%2FMassage.php&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[NicFrenchy]

AT LAST !!!! Akane decided to update its website http://www.pink-project.com/akane/english/english_top.htmlPictures are updated with the ladie's latest "looks" and the new ladies have also been added.At the 33 Branch, HIRO (see my report here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=714651&postcount=3663 )is finally listed as "Full time", NENE and RUI have also been added.CHIDLOM also has its little updates: NOZOMI has been added. She has been working there for some time but somehow wasn't on the website.I have been with NOZOMI twice already and what a little cutie she is! Petite, energetic, always smiling and her nipples are a sight to behold (big). The only reason why I would not recommend her is because she has a bad scar/wrinkles on her stomach. It does not bother me but could put off quite a few members so beware.She is very popular and gets picked quite often due to her pretty face and the fact that she always smiles. For those who want to know, her Thai Name is PIMAI ;)They reopen tomorrow so I will visit them on Saturday.To put you in the mood, attached are pictures of a Sexy show with Hikaru & Yuko

[Russell Crowe]

I have been lamenting that Angel's has been closed for Songkran. I have had two rather lackluster massage sessions in the interim. First, the really bad report. I decided to try Orient massage, which is right near the Emporium. The room was clean and new as reported in Giotto's review. I was offered a lineup and agreed. I decided on a tall and young one with small knockers. Her name was "Tuk da" or something similar. She put on a good show of flattering me during most of the massage. However, she would continue to ask me "jep mai", meaning "does it hurt" and I kept answering in the affirmative of "jep", however, she continued to massage me just as hard. I had chosen the course which included the ball massage, yet she still asked me if I wanted said massage. Answering yes was a big mistake as she continued to massage my balls with the same pressure as she used to massage the rest of my body. Ouch. I definitely should have cut my losses, yet against my better judgment, I agreed to the FS special. I was thinking that she was young and should be tight, but I was wrong again. She actually bit my balls with enough vigor to cause more pain and make it difficult to get it up. Then, she vigorously pounded me from the cowgirl position. I definitely prefer it slow, but she would not take my clues to slow down. All in all this was one of the worst sessions I have experienced and I have probably had a minimum of thirty. I just wanted to try and save any other poor saps like me the agony.The other session I had was certainly better, yet not without some drawbacks. I decided on Teen massage at the mouth of Soi 26. I chose a tall skinny one again who was pretty young. I don't remember her name, but her service was good, so no worries about avoiding her. The room was rather old and I saw a bunch of ants while I was in the shower. Pretty gross. The massage was not real great and the only extras on offer seemed to be hand job for 500 and hand job with "body to body" contact was 1000. I thought that 1000 was a bit much, so I said I just wanted the 500 treatment. She then offered the 'body to body" for only 600. She was as bad a bargainer as I am in Suan Lum night bazaar. She definitely had a nice body and having her slide all over me provided a sufficient level of enjoyment. I am a sucker, and I didn't have any change, so I gave her the 1000 anyway. I reasoned that if she was willing to do the extra for only 100 extra baht, she probably needed it badly.I think I have learned my lesson and will just wait until Angel's opens up again on the 19th.

[Soi Walker]

. . . but this is a must and it's a gift to you.The SongGran holiday shut down the massage I wanted to repeat, so I walked a soi I hadn't yet done before.I've seen some reports from the active members of this forum, but I had not gone there before. I'm talking about the MPs off soi 24 Sukhumvit, very near Emporium. At Pink, I went three times looking for Gege (pronounced JieJie), whose photo is delectable but who does not resemble it in person. Finally I saw her, and crestfallen, I had to trek farther.I decided to climb upstairs to Oriental, and as I climbed I figured it was a wasted effort. The staircase is dim, and the reception lobby is spartan. But the work done, I decided to scout the album. I found only one photo of interest, but she had not yet arrived. I said I'd wait, to see her in person before committing.Fifteen minutes, just as I got up prepared to leave the place, the manager announced she had arrived. And there she was, just about the same as her photo in the album. I paid the 500 B for the oil massage and upstairs we went. I think I softly touched her back and bum as we ascended the stairs, making some small talk on the way.But she left me showering alone, as so many forum contributors have complained about. For about 7 or 8 minutes. So, when she arrived with her basket, I told her I was about done, but did she need a shower too?She explained, while stripping down to a bikini, that she just arrived, and that she showers after arriving, and since I was her first, she's showered and ready. Sounded good.But the bikini was still on. And I saw what looked like a long hair protruding from under her bikini bottom. So I touched it and asked what it is. Her underwear was worn out, and needing replacement.So, now on the massage mattress, I told her that she should take off her bottom and throw it away. She said it is all she has. I told her I'd replace it. She said a new set, bra included, would cost 900 B at Emporium. I told her that she could find better value elsewhere, but no matter, I'd pay the Emporium price and more. And I slid her bottom off, and she unfastened the top herself.Well, I could barely contain myself, as she started to massage my ankles and then started stroking my pointer. I was mesmerized by her light skin, playful breasts, and shaved plump pussy. I asked her age.She asked what I guessed. Honestly, I thought her body was 19 but her face 23. So I flattered her a bit, and she really liked it. Truth, as I believe her words, 26, from Nakhorn Sakorn. But 23 from the look and feel of her face and body.She was working me all the while, until my elephant trunk was pointing to the ceiling like a bugler's trumpet ready to sound the attack. That's when she surprised me by commenting that it looked handsome, pretty. "Really? That?" I asked. "Yes," she said. And then she started to measure it, using her fingernail as a 1-cm measure to count from the base to the tip.I'm telling you, this is how it went. I could not make this up, and it never happened this way to me before.It was nearly more than I could stand. Then she started to hump me, face to face, pussy to baseball bat. She bit her lower lip, like a pornstar pretending to enjoy it, and started yoga exercises on me, like she was using me to enjoy herself.I had to stop her, as I nearly blew it but wanted to enjoy the next hour as well. She asked why. I explained. She said, "It okay. Two time better. And not expensive." And she proceeded to hump me in long and faster movements until I creamed all over us.Now, I figured that's it except for the massage. And she started at the feet, moving up, occasionally stroking the center of pleasure to see if there's life, and soon there was. When celestial again, she slipped on the condom and mounted me. Before long she was doing the Asian cow-girl, and then another first time: she twirled herself around to a reverse cow-girl, without interrupting the momentum. Now it was a new phase, a new adventure. I later pulled her backwards, now lying on top of me, and we kept going.Emboldened, I flipped her over and started my favorite finishing moves, but she out-did me again. She started to grab her pussy-lips and pull them upward with each long stroke I made. And then, another surprise: She said "leuk, leuk" which in Thai is somewhat between 'lick' and 'luck' and it means "deep." She wanted it deeper.I leave it up to you to decide whether she was acting or really enjoying it. Many forum contributors have talked about GFEs and having more than a massage and a good service. This was unexpected and more than I imagined. Her eyes and mouth were a testament to her enjoyment, and I was feeling like I was being used for her enjoyment.So, here's the bottom line:Her name is Nacky. She used to work at Angel 26, under a different name, perhaps Nat, but I'm not sure, as I've never gone to Angel. She said she (and many others) grew to hate the boss, and so she left. I asked if she would mind my publicizing her name to a forum of friendly patrons, and she agreed.Orient is on a little soi to the left as you enter soi 26 off Sukhumvit. You can't miss it. In the small soi, look left, and go up the stairs. The rooms are a 5 out of 10, with shower. The Japanese owner (man) speaks English, and the cashier is polite. They call to announce the end of time, so no surprise add-on charges. Water in a bottle for free, other drinks fairly priced.She knows me as Ajaan D (good teacher), and I don't mind if you mention my name, so long as you are polite and good, since I'm giving you the recommendation.I don't usually give a recommendation, as everyone has a different sense of things, but this one, I think, is a slam-dunk.Enjoy,Soi WalkerEDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Dan7373]

....I also find that girls that are scared of fingers in their pussy (just some) are often less scared of a tongue. Tongue can provide a more subtle soft touch that many girls prefer.Many ladies don't like insertive kind of hand probing of their pussies. But actually this is a wrong way to masturbate a lady. It's her clitoris that needs to be masturbated. And the best way to hand-masturbate a lady's clitoris is to massage her pussy-lips around her clitoris with the flat of your hand and make her pussy lips slip and slide all over her clitoris, without too much direct contact between your hand and her clitoris. Of course, having some soapy water on your hand and on her pussy provides good lubrication and makes the whole experience arousing for both of you. With all that soap, you can pretend that you are simply washing the lady's pussy. And if she happens to get aroused as a result. Then so much the better.When the lady soaps you up and starts sliding her pussy all over you. It isn't that hard to give the lady a good soapy pussy rub whenever that she slides that pussy of hers close to your hands. And it's probably less dangerous in terms of possible disease transmission than cunnilingus is.There is no way you can suck the lady's pussy with soap in your mouth. But a good soapy massage with your hand on her pussy is an enjoyable experience for both.

[M P Lurker]

Her name was "Tuk da" or something similar. She put on a good show of flattering me during most of the massage. This is a common Thai girl's name meaning "doll":pronounced like this: dtook-a-dtar("dt" indicates a T that sounds almost like a D, no rush of air that an English T has).

[Fon Tok]

I think your best bet is Sabai Sabai Massage Soi 11. call them to arrange your booking as they are open 24hrs.Check their website: http://www.sabaisabaimassage.com/Arrived late to the lodge, about 1:30AM very tired from the long trip. I did get a free upgrade to Business Class on the Tokyo to BKK leg. Luck for me! Called Sabai massage. A nice looking woman showed up in about 20 minutes. Great massage, + spirited FS GFE, she left about 4. Everybody was happy and I slept very well.Might call her again in the next couple of days before I hook up with my regular GF (who I live with). Have to see my "gig" first though.Ahhh, Thailand.Thank you for the good advice!

[M P Lurker]

She being indolent provider, I was getting bored of the in-and-out movement. So I let it unload. 3 weeks of my savings gone in less than 10 minutes. What a waste!LOL. I'm not sure that 3 weeks of saved sperm should be considered valuable (and subject to "wastage") but you could talk to it and call it "my precious" ala Golum/Smeagol in Lord of the Rings.Mostly we are trying as hard as possible to waste it as often and widely as possible. To avoid wastage, keep the used/filled condoms, if you like.:DNo sex for 3 weeks sounds typical of having a Farang wife. My ex-wife was horny only once per month. If I had a Thai GF like this, she would be sacked quickly, unless medical reasons for no sex and no BJ.A decent GF ust be a horny one and understanding expected levels of service too.

[Soi Walker]

I remember some general questions asking about this place, and since I have known it since 2004, I thought I'd contribute my comments.I first found it by being escorted by a tout, a young guy who had relatively good English skills, who intercepted me on Surawong street as I was walking to find Patpong. It was my first visit to the area alone, for the purpose of finding a MP. I was not new to Bangkok, but it was my first solo walking adventure here.It was a national holiday, August 12, and I remember it well. I was studying Thai, and when I learned that the school would be closed that Thursday, I asked the head teacher what she recommends I do, being all alone and no class to go to. She said, probably in jest, "A man, alone, go to PatPong. " So I did. But this was my first MP experience anywhere.The tout led me down an alley of beer-bars, but being the afternoon, and a long weekend for Thais, things were quiet. Takara has little "street presence" being just an elevator and stair case going up, with one or more welcome staff beckoning passers-by.Upstairs the girls hear the bell announcing a customer coming up, and they arrange themselves on the sofas for inspection. There's a bar, and I sat there and eyed the girls while trying to understand the menu. It was not overly expensive, even though I came with a tout, but the details on price are given below.I really was not turned on by the girls, as most were older, or worn, or plump, even fat, though some were attractive but sour-looking. I was just giving it up (shock on the face of the tout, but the mama is used to it), when the cutest thing I had ever seen came out of the room in the back. She was a cross between the high school sweetie I never had and a model straight from a photo shoot for a men's magazine, wearing a bright orange (Thursday's color) skin-tight dress cut to just below the magic center.She walked over to me (I think there were hand-signals from the mama instructing her) and I could not resist when she made incidental contact between her hip and my seated torso. I paid 2, 500 B, not knowing that 500 was going to the tout, and that I could have bargained lower (more on current price later). The tout then asked for a tip. It seemed reasonable, in my novice way of thinking, and I had stars in my eyes, so I gave him 100 B.I'm getting moved just recalling the experience, so indulge me a bit more. I was really lucky, in retrospect. Though I did not know the reason, this girl (Nam) had huge breasts for her very petite frame. She smiled sweetly and continually, and when she took off her dress, her shaved center sent shivers up my spine.At Takara they have a big bath in the room, and you can start there. Then the vinyl floor mat for a body slide or anything else you want. I let her lead in this hip-hop dance, except for the bath, where I wanted some close contact beneath the foamy bubbles.The only drawback was that she asked if I'd give a tip, just before letting me penetrate her. What are you going to say? I asked how much, and she said some customers give her 6, 000 B. She obviously knew I was a newbie. I knew just enough Thai to say "you really don't have to ask for a tip now. "She seemed to fake the little noises of ecstasy, but I was doing a genuine fk-doll, and loving every moment. I gave her 700 B to insure proper service next time.And there were many such times over the four years, including taking that girl to my hotel room once, and five or six others in the shop.But times have changed. I've gone back periodically to check, as recently as last month, and the cuties are never there, except for one I had two years ago, who had an accidental baby (broken condom, she said, unrevealed by the customer). Her name is Nutch (pronounced like Noot with the vowel sound of soot from a fire.) She still smiles and laughs playfully, though she gained some weight, but still attractive.Takara is suffering from the downturn in tourism. It has a local patronage of regulars, but also many occasional travellers. If you go there alone, and act like you know the scene, you'll get a price of 1, 000 B, all included, though the girls get only 375 and I myself can't leave without giving at least 500, and often 1000 as a tip. You might even bargain for 800 or 900, as they seem to be desparate for business, but I don't bother for that small amount.You can greet the mama by name: Gai, pronounced "guy" with a low-then-rising tone, during the day, and Cake at night, if their schedules are as before. Cake is shorter, kind of plump, but attractive face. Gai is a bit older and dour in facial expression. Oye, a dark and older lady, with a raspy voice from smoking too much, is their street rep, wandering here and their to grab patrons.But like I said, the working girls there are not as exciting as they were, but things change regularly, and I'll check again next time I have an opportunity to walk the soi's in PatPong.

[Easy2007]

Nacky is a nice little grind :) But, she is on holiday a lot, she only goes to work at Orient from time to time, I think she has a number of regulars who she see's outside of working at Orient, and its only when this money dries up she goes to work.You have to catch her while she is fresh and bright eyed, as can be guessed above, she can be a little lazy, catch her when she is tired and you not be having such a wonderful time.Thats said, get her when is in on form, and my oh my will you get good sex, and at least 2 shots.
. . .................................somewhat between 'lick' and 'luck' and it means "deep." She wanted it deeper.I leave it up to you to decide whether she was acting or really enjoying it. Many forum contributors have talked about GFEs and having more than a massage and a good service. This was unexpected and more than I imagined. Her eyes and mouth were a testament to her enjoyment, and I was feeling like I was being used for her enjoyment.So, here's the bottom line:Her name is Nacky. She used to work at Angel 26, under a different name, perhaps Nat, but I'm not sure, as I've never gone to Angel. She said she (and many others) grew to hate the boss, and so she left. I asked if she would mind my publicizing her name to a forum of friendly patrons, and she agreed.Orient is on a little soi to the left as you enter soi 26 off Sukhumvit. You can't miss it. In the small soi, look left, and go up the stairs. The rooms are a 5 out of 10, with shower. The Japanese owner (man) speaks English, and the cashier is polite. They call to announce the end of time, so no surprise add-on charges. Water in a bottle for free, other drinks fairly priced.She knows me as Ajaan D (good teacher), and I don't mind if you mention my name, so long as you are polite and good, since I'm giving you the recommendation.I don't usually give a recommendation, as everyone has a different sense of things, but this one, I think, is a slam-dunk.Enjoy,Soi Walker

[NicFrenchy]

Thank you for the good advice!You are most welcome! Glad you had a relaxing time ;)

[NicFrenchy]

I had to stop her, as I nearly blew it but wanted to enjoy the next hour as well. She asked why. I explained. She said, "It okay. Two time better. And not expensive." Soi Walker, Great Report!! ThanksCan you please share the Cost of this "2 shots" Experience?

[Soi Walker]

Soi Walker, Great Report!! ThanksCan you please share the Cost of this "2 shots" Experience?Yes, happy to share. What made it good was that she never presented a menu of prices, unlike so many others. She was happy to know I'd buy her a new set of underwear and more, and that was all she wanted to know. I gave her 1500 upon leaving, and it was good, as I had booked only an hour in the room, being a little pressed for time that day. Two hours would have spun by equally fast, as she was really into it, and that fed my energy level.On another day I might have given her more, but it's a decision made at the moment in most cases.

[Stiffoak 571]

Went there for 2 reasons ? the ease of getting there by metro and also I had seen that usually there was a fair selection in the afternoon.Had no idea the places were so big! Just imagine the idea of soapies in England as big as hotels.What I discovered was a place of dreams ? like Willy Wonka ? my radar just short circuited and I rather obscenely began to dribble. What I should of done would be to sit have drink take it all in etc etc but Id never seen so much loveliness in one room before and I went into sensory overload ? can feel it happening now just writing this.In front of me was the fishbowl and maybe I was lucky I don?t know but there were the 3 clearly defined sections with about 50 girls in total ? certainly many would be acceptable ? whole range of 7/8s.Not much time to look at those because right beside me where the sideliners ? some of them were the same or worse than the fishbowl ? the Papasan said they were the ?new? girls (of course only a regular could tell) ? I looked down the line like a Roman picking in an auction. Some seemed disinterested either in the day or in me and so I went for the ones who smiled and literally walked up and down the line a couple of times before making my pick ? pretty face slim body what would become ?my type?Paid the 2600B (name Ring) and then whisked up in the lift ? one thing I loved about the whole experience was the ease of it all ? Ive mongered in many countries now and this was the most user friendly experience of my life!In the room her English was passable ? enough Im not choosing a life partner. She ran bath we got drinks bit of a cuddle/grapple and then she stripped me ready for the bath. Once in the bath she came over all GFE and continued in a pleasantly affectionate vein for the reminder of my stay. After the full rub down in the bath we adjourned to the bed for a very good session with firm BBBJ and everything else you could want.My surprise was after when I expect to get trousers and make a hasty exit she said ?stay there? and got the oil and gave me another rub down which was very relaxing.I emerged back onto Ratchadaphisek floating ? my first soapie had been a memorable one and my only sadness was there were going to be no more opportunities that trip to try another or Nataree was so good might just go back and back until I get bored!EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[M P Lurker]

<cut>I emerged back onto Ratchadaphisek floating ? my first soapie had been a memorable one and my only sadness was there were going to be no more opportunities that trip to try another or Nataree was so good might just go back and back until I get bored!"When you are on a good thing ...". Nataree is probably the most popular soapy because of the large selection of young girls, and consistency.The parlours with a very large selection are relatively few. Therefore I would suggest consider having a look in another MP close by. Then if not totally convinced, can always quickly return to Nataree.

[Easy2007]

Appears to be a "new" soapy open, names "Serene".Anyone tried it ?

[M P Lurker]

Appears to be a "new" soapy open, names "Serene".Anyone tried it ?On your Thai Map, North is towrd the bottom and South at the top. Upside down by western thinking ;)It all gets confusing due to alternate spellings for the same place. It was once called Maleena and then was called Maliryn (not Marilyn even though 'r's and 'l's get confused in Thai language) for a while. Now is Selene/SereneYes I have been there and well worth returning to.http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=690862&postcount=3212http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=701177Its also on my Soapies Google Map (Selene/Serene):http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.793989,100.57683&spn=0.062516,0.078278&z=14&iwloc=00044889d3264300e3db7Its located just a short way north of "meng jai" intersection.It is an up market place and many of ex-Mirage girls rumoured to have moved there. Tharn Thong Sauna (building next door - across the car park), as in the pink Thai writing on your Map, had some real cuties for Oil massage too. On the Google Map click on Satellite view to see the 2 buildings with carpark in between.The name is pronounced (for english speakers) like:se-le-nee or se-ray-nee or say-ray-NAY, with emphasis on last syllable if any,or many other variations but not like se-reenFor Thais Only (Thai Script), Selene features prominently at this "Bath Lovers" web site:http://www.bathlover.com/index.php?board=3.0On the Tharn Thong models page, these 2 are to my taste:http://www.ilikemassage.com/tharnthong/MODELS/023.jpghttp://www.ilikemassage.com/tharnthong/MODELS/02.jpg

[Mauldid]

After checking in my bags to fly out of BKK, what is a good place near by (don't want to travel more than 15min) for a nice going away massage/FS? I saw La Defense while going towards the airport, will this be my only bet? Any help would be much appreciated. And I will post my FR.Mal

[Sonic Bam]

For fecks sake Mick, is there any soapy in Bangkok you don't know????Everytime you come back with a reply to somebody's "Has any body tried/heard of ......." post it cracks me up. If I hadn't met you, the picture I would have would be some non-descript small man, bottle-end glasses and bow tie who works as professor emeritus at the University of Bangkok in the Department of Soapies or the like.Of course, you are in reality "hansum man" dedicated to his hobby and sharing of knowledge to the less informed. Brilliant.Cheers fur noo!Sonic

[RCA Knight]

Was in BKK for 2 days. Stayed at Amari Atrium, not far from so many parlours. . Visited Catherine about 5pm. Same as all other previous visits, this is got to be the most hectic parlour in all Thailand. Almost all Thai clients, in and out non stop. The lobby hall was packed all the time. And the better workers get snached by customers before return to fish bowl, or all pre-booked.I sat in the lounge looking for so long, and there were a few doable ones, but all booked or went straight with next customer. Finally I gave a papasan 200 and told him to show me some slender cuties. After some time, he grabbed someone just returned from a session, and showed her to me. Nice small frame, doable, price 2900 from sideline, no surcharge, we went. I think Catherine workers all have a very heavy work load, it was 7 pm when I enter the room, the girl had 4 sessions already, I was the fifith one by 7PM.Very mechanical bbbj, and I failed to get hard, because the atitude was mechanical as well as technics, ended up having a hand job, out of the room in 45 min.Catherine is a mostly bbbj shop, I think most girls will do bare bj, but from all my previous experinces, the workers are very tired from the work load, all Thai guys do 2 shots, so 4 guy before me, thats 8 shots before me. And from all my experiences here, most girls are quite tired looking, or show no interest in sex, just a routine type of establishment.Catherine too hectic and mechanical for my taste.

[M P Lurker]

For fecks sake Mick, is there any soapy in Bangkok you don't know????Everytime you come back with a reply to somebody's "Has any body tried/heard of ......." post it cracks me up. If I hadn't met you, the picture I would have would be some non-descript small man, bottle-end glasses and bow tie who works as professor emeritus at the University of Bangkok in the Department of Soapies or the like.Of course, you are in reality "hansum man" dedicated to his hobby and sharing of knowledge to the less informed. Brilliant.Cheers fur noo!Sonic"Feck" is scottish for "fuck" or are you just being polite? :)Well I mean to get to them all in the end. I'm determined.But fortunately he picked out one of the good but lesser known places. Its just located a bit out of the way but is getting quite popular with Thais.But have yet to get to:Annies, Chai Lai, Ida, Helen, Venus, Takara, Ocean, V2 Visa, Viva Huyin, PP Entertainment at Theparak, Chavala 3, and all of the MPs west of the Chaopraya river. Might tkae another year to knock em all off.There are also a lot of places that I have visited but not gone upstairs with a girl.Some of these are popular places.Its hard to believe I have not yet been upstairs at Colonze 1 or 2, or Nancy. Just need to arrive at the right time when one of the good lookers is available. These places have too many customers!Its great to have a look at new places to become more aware of the best options.Can you believe that for many years I basically went to The Thermae, Chavala 2, Chao Phya 2, J One, Mona Lisa, and eventually New Cleopatra, and Nataree up to about 3 years ago.After reading the forum I started branching out and tried Poseidon, Plaza, De Lila and Tarawadee.The remainder have all been in the last year ro so.

[M P Lurker]

Was in BKK for 2 days. Stayed at Amari Atrium, not far from so many parlours. . Visited Catherine about 5pm. Same as all other previous visits, this is got to be the most hectic parlour in all Thailand. Almost all Thai clients, in and out non stop. The lobby hall was packed all the time. And the better workers get snached by customers before return to fish bowl, or all pre-booked.<cut>Why go to Catherine? You know what to expect.Why not try a SL girl at Utopia? Not upstairs! Just to side of FB. Expensive but I have had fantastic experiences there every time (may have just got lucky with chemistry). BBBJ and Tit massage in the bath seems to be standard.or Gold Star girls at Long Beach?, or try Selene? or Nataree? or Copa Cabana? Don't go for the so called "Models" upstairs. They are often the lazy ones as you found so often! I have yet to find a "model" class girl that was really good.Notice I recommend the girls a class just above the basic fish bowl but without going to the upstairs classes.I have a lot of luck with 2nd tier girls at almost every establishment. As you seem to have bad luck with higher price categories, its time to change something.I don't notice much change in standard of the service compared to years ago from Fishbowl or 2nd tier girls. Maybe there are less really good lookers to choose from.I never tried the higher model classes years ago, so cannot comment if they have got worse or not, but I find them to be too much of a gamble.I would like to see pics of some of the Chinese girls you have previously said are so attractive in China Saunas, because I would go to China if I thought there was something good there. I don't go for plumpish Chinese nor those with roundish faces. I like a a narrow face like Jennifer Garner, Adriana Lima, or Tyra Banks.Adriana:http://www.superiorpics.com/pictures2/models_sd5.jpg Didn't see many really pretty girls when was in Guangzhou too. Met Miss China at the Luhu Golf Club but looked she like a LB to me (very tall and straight figure - no curves).

[Joe Nailer]

having realised that there weren?t much going during songkran for the pursuit of this hobby, i decided to try something else this time. when i started this hobby 4 months ago, i had a list of things to try; mps/soapies, bj bars, go-go bars, cafes, fls, bbs and non p4p. sadly i have only achieved mps so far. now i wanted something quick and simple. enter the bj bar; the likes of sol and [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)?s.when i got to the mouth of soi 8 for [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) (note i assumed it was open), there were the gangs of roisterers at the both sides of the soi armed with pneumatic guns, pistols and pink and yellow buckets, and me with a state-of-the-art motorola triband mobile phone, hoping by showing it, i would escape the splash. but no!when i found the [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) sign in a sub soi, i was already soaked from head to toe. i noticed a group of girls lurking in the sub soi as well. do i go through the gauntlet and only find the place closed, and walk back through the gauntlet again? nope.i retreated with my wet tail between my wet legs, and walked back to my hotel to change. my attempt was yet again dashed in the midst of this arrant nonsense (oops).now what? kocho ran at soi 33/1this is one of the alternatives to sazanka, i.e scrub and massage with various slimy liquids. before i got to bkk, i had checked the location in their website. it is difficult to find the entrance first as it is obscured by the shop signs around it. the map indicates it is on 3f of a building next to a pub, but when i walked up the stairs to 1f landing, there were no more stairs to go up to. ummm?while i was trying to solve this conundrum, the mama san (or more like a cleaning lady) appeared from nowhere, inviting me into a well air-conditioned room. in front of me was some 10 meter bar counter. this is a bl**dy bar, not an mp. (is this a rip off hostess bar?) a barman handed me the menu (i was a little scared to look inside), showing a number of different massaging services and the photos of the available girls. i chose kaori from a small list of 2. the barman-cum-papa san offered me a glass of ice tea and asked me to wait. i wanted to go to gents, so the mama san-cum cleaning lady showed me the way. warning! when you stand at the urinal, mind the propellers especially you have long hair (you will see what i mean, if you go in there). kaori came and took me upstairs to a room. there was some inexplicable tension between us thus far. she asked me to take the clothes off. i took off shoes, socks and shirts in this order, and when i pull the trousers half way down, i realized that i was not wearing underwear. she was ever watchful of my movement, and did not miss the fact that i did not have any underwear on. i tried to explain, like i got drenched with this songkran nonsense and did not have any dry underwear to wear?a feeble excuse, but true. she burst out laughing. it was a great ice-breaker. from then on, she was very chatty and cheerful. she even teased me saying with her limited english (pretending her arm as my dick) that my dick won?t be in situ and moving around everywhere inside the trousers. we had a good laugh at that at my expense. anyway she took me to shower and washed my already rampant unit with a wry smile.she was an ardent masseuse and gave me a thorough massage. thinking back now, in this mp business, seemingly simple and straightforward, there must be well thought out and well timed process in order to build up the atmosphere for the intended effect. this is what she would do, or did:step 1/ with her well trained massaging skills, your muscles become flaccid, and you feel relaxed.step 2/ with lotions, she gives more sensual massage focusing on your inside part of your thigh, brushing your balls occasionally, and then your bum and the bum crack, giving you a titillating ar.step 3.1/ the light dimmed, you facing up now, she applies a plenty of lotion to your dick and stroke it softly with one hand while with the other, she gently squeezes the balls, and probes a finger into your rectum.step 3.2/ as your dick fully erect, she moves her upper body close to you and blow warm air to your neck area, and her tits brushing your chest. you try to seek her lips but she won?t let you. your hand roams around her waist and goes inside her knickers, but find it tightly protected. not deterred by this, you continue searching for whatever your finger is expecting to find in there.step 3.3/ you cannot hold it back any longer, and you blow the load. she teases the dick head with your own liquid. this gives tingling feeling. i cannot describe this sensation.step 4/ she takes you to shower and wash you clean.btw, she said she came from the north near cm, and has a child. the child?s father disappeared when she got pregnant with him. in terms of her looks, she has this broad nose, and thick lips. i would give her 5 at most but she is not ugly. talking of her lips, i couldn?t help asking if she would do bj. she said simply it is ?dangerous?. would she do the special, to which she answers she cannot in this place because this is the house rule. umm.i will definitely repeat this place, but i must remember 2 things: 1) not to wear underwear and 2) mind the propellerschok deeeditor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Canyon]

Mick Licker is definitely the Boswell of Bangkok. Mick, thank you for sharing your encyclopedic knowledge of Bangkok massage parlors. Your powers of observation and your ability to record all the details are amazing. We all owe you a debt of gratitude. I'll be in Bangkok in late July, and if you're around, I'll buy you dinner.Canyon

[M P Lurker]

Mick Licker is definitely the Boswell of Bangkok. Mick, thank you for sharing your encyclopedic knowledge of Bangkok massage parlors. Your powers of observation and your ability to record all the details are amazing. We all owe you a debt of gratitude. I'll be in Bangkok in late July, and if you're around, I'll buy you dinner.CanyonO.K. You're on. I plan to be around end of July. I have enjoyed your Soapy reports. There were many places you got to before me.I'm definitely not a "Boswell". Not at all well organised in general. I don't use paper, because I would lose it. But I am capable of capaturing information in my laptop. Thats it!

[Bino9]

In the last days, I wanted to try Orchid Massage in soi 31. Allured by the web site, that promised the moon, I went there rather early. Obviously it was not to hope seeing a lot of girls. A few girl, it was only to be expected and therefore I can't complain. I complain instead, and very much too, of the service. Mama-san shows me a men?, written in English, that was very limitative: thai massage, oil massage and aroma massage. There were also some sheets, written only in Japanese, and since I can read a few words in that language, I have seen that there was the offer of other options (two or three girls, balls massage) too. I pointed out it to the mama-san and then, after many efforts, she decided to admit that there was also a package called golden-package that after the traditional massages offered the balls massage. I choose this (1000 baht). I choose a girl, from the album, and the girl started with a rather bored aroma-massage. Then she asks me how much I have paid and I tell her: 1000 baht. She says that it was expensive. I speak Thai and I tell her that I opted for the golden-package, that also includes the ball-massage. The girl didn't know it. Mama-san had told her nothing, only the aroma-massage. The girl started then listlessly the ball massage, that has not produced some effect. I was so disgusted that the girl didn't even dare offer the usual special-massage. To avoid in the most absolute way.

[M P Lurker]

In the last days, I wanted to try Orchid Massage in soi 31. Allured by the web site, that promised the moon, I went there rather early. Obviously it was not to hope seeing a lot of girls. A few girl, it was only to be expected and therefore I can't complain. I complain instead, and very much too, of the service. Mama-san shows me a men?, written in English, that was very limitative: thai massage, oil massage and aroma massage. There were also some sheets, written only in Japanese, and since I can read a few words in that language, I have seen that there was the offer of other options (two or three girls, balls massage) too. I pointed out it to the mama-san and then, after many efforts, she decided to admit that there was also a package called golden-package that after the traditional massages offered the balls massage. I choose this (1000 baht). I choose a girl, from the album, and the girl started with a rather bored aroma-massage. Then she asks me how much I have paid and I tell her: 1000 baht. She says that it was expensive. I speak Thai and I tell her that I opted for the golden-package, that also includes the ball-massage. The girl didn't know it. Mama-san had told her nothing, only the aroma-massage. The girl started then listlessly the ball massage, that has not produced some effect. I was so disgusted that the girl didn't even dare offer the usual special-massage. To avoid in the most absolute way.I would guess that certain services were not initially offered because they couldn't actually provide them. Wrong girls ? wrong time?P.S. I don't recall you posting any GOOD experiences yet. Correct me if I am wrong.I like to hear about good experiences even more than the bad ones.

[NicFrenchy]

I speak Thai and I tell her that I opted for the golden-package, that also includes the ball-massage. The girl didn't know it. Mama-san had told her nothing, only the aroma-massage. The girl started then listlessly the ball massage, that has not produced some effect. Did you ask the girl if she knew how to do a Balls Massage? it looks like she obviously didn't and you should have asked to change girls. I also had bad experiences with the Mamasans at Orchid, they are useless.

[Bino9]

I would guess that certain services were not initially offered because they couldn't actually provide them. Wrong girls ? wrong time?P.S. I don't recall you posting any GOOD experiences yet. Correct me if I am wrong.I like to hear about good experiences even more than the bad ones.You are right Mick Licker, I almost always posted bad experiences, but I did in order to help the friends to avoid premises that can disappoint. I also have however good experiences to tell. In the past days I was very busy, but now I will write the last experiences of mine both the bad ones and the good ones: Paradise, Kochoran, Alice, both Akane (Chidlom and 33)

[M P Lurker]

You are right Mick Licker, I almost always posted bad experiences, but I did in order to help the friends to avoid premises that can disappoint. I also have however good experiences to tell. In the past days I was very busy, but now I will write the last experiences of mine both the bad ones and the good ones: Paradise, Kochoran, Alice, both Akane (Chidlom and 33)Well Nic rates Orchid as Good. So I'm not sure that you are helping me to avoid Orchid. Nic tells me to avoid Euro but I am determined to try it on next trip, assuming I can find a honey there. I must be a stubborn one. :DO.K. I accept that you had a bad experience but not every experience will be bad.I have read many bad experiences at Thonglor 2, but I keep returning there, as my experiences there were all good in some way (the sex way :)).I look forward to hearing about your good experiences, particularly those places that I don't know much about, e.g. Alice's, Paradise, Kocho Ran

[Rinky Rock]

This is my first trip to Bangkok and I am INDIAN, so I kindly request to give me some suggestions regarding massage places or bars or escort services, as I got to know that thai girls don't treat indian people properly.I would like to know whether I can go to massage places like EDEN, ANGElS or DARlING massages centres or can I call them to hotel room.Any suggestions would be highly appreciated, Thanks in advance, Byee

[Bino9]

O.K. I accept that you had a bad experience but not every experience will be bad.I look forward to hearing about your good experiences, particularly those places that I don't know much about, e.g. Alice's, Paradise, Kocho RanSure, the personal judgments are very subjective. The experiences can be good or bad, in accordance with what you go to look for. I look for some atmosphere that lets me enter in the mood. As you self have also admitted, the mamasans of Orchid are certainly useless. In the moment self that I have had to struggle on the menu, I was already sure that the things would have gone badly. And in fact.I have read a good experience, another not so good on Kocho-ran.My experience has been good, so good that I wanted to go back the day after, but I didn't have the time to do it.Sure, that is not easy to find the entrance. I went several times through that soi, but I never noticed it. The entry is not exciting, but once entered the very small lobby, I immediately felt a certain warmth, that was not denied afterwards. The papasan, was kind, thoughtful, ready to illustrate in the best ways the performances of the girls. I have to say that I speak thai and therefore this makes the communication easy. But the warmth that I felt, just got in, I felt it before opening the mouth. In fact he started to speak English, and always kindly. As always, I go early to the massage for several reasons. First, in order to go back home early, before the traffic jam, then to avoid the competition and to be more relaxed. There is less choice, but you can choose with calm. I chose the package 6, that foresaw lotion massage+Balls massage+Happy Ending, 1200 baht for two hours. As said, there were few girls and the choice I did on a photographic album, with the precious help of the young and prepared papasan. After the shower (the girl was dressed) the girl asked me what I preferred and I said that I didn't want lie down on my stomach. She immediately started with a very good legs massage, with "casual" touches to my "minor brother". Passing then to the breast with light and sensual caresses. The first shoot arrived as soon as she began the balls massage. But it was only the beginning. She slowly continued, with a hand toying with my nipples and with the other massaging "minor brother" and his two jewels. Toward the end she devoted herself completely to my sexual organs letting me cum a second time. I don't remember the name of the girl. I know that she was small. I wanted to give her a tip, but the girl disappeared before I could give it for her. It will be another occasion.

[Satrai2000]

This is my first trip to Bangkok and I am INDIAN, so I kindly request to give me some suggestions regarding massage places or bars or escort services, as I got to know that thai girls don't treat indian people properly.I would like to know whether I can go to massage places like EDEN, ANGElS or DARlING massages centres or can I call them to hotel room.Any suggestions would be highly appreciated, Thanks in advance, ByeeI't's not the first time this question appears on this board.The notion that Thai girls don't treat indian men well is bullshit in my opinion. It's the other way which means it depends on you for 99%. If you behave like an asshole you will be treated like one. If you behave like a gentleman, you will get a gentleman-treat. I am Indian too and I have been to Eden, Angels I/II, Darling and MANY more without a single problem (and of course I am the gentleman amongst the gentlemen but you knew that..).

[Traveler1234]

This is my first trip to Bangkok and I am INDIAN,By in large the most important color is 'green'. :DBut if you need to know more, search 'Indian' on the various Bkk threads - the subject has been discussed the past year or so in great depth.

[Dinghy]

By in large the most important color is 'green'. :DBut if you need to know more, search 'Indian' on the various Bkk threads - the subject has been discussed the past year or so in great depth.NAH - TAN!! It's what 1000's are :)

[M P Lurker]

i't's not the first time this question appears on this board.the notion that thai girls don't treat indian men well is bullshit in my opinion. it's the other way which means it depends on you for 99%. if you behave like an asshole you will be treated like one. if you behave like a gentleman, you will get a gentleman-treat. i am indian too and i have been to eden, angels i/ii, darling and many more without a single problem (and of course i am the gentleman amongst the gentlemen but you knew that..).and well washed, well dressed, shaven and handsome, no doubt?we all should make an effort to meet local cultural standards to be well accepted.in australia, i normally only shower once a day. but in thailand the standard is higher, and therefore shower more regularly. i also make an effort to brush my teeth often and use a tongue scraper. i get a clean and scale of teeth at the thai dentist every 6 months. because i like like dfk, i make special efforts to ensure i taste good to thai ladies. i use lactacyd (weakly acidic) to clean my privates and protect against fungal infections which are easier to get in sticky climates. regular change of underwear also essential.in general efforts to be meticulously clean and fresh are well rewarded, regardless of where we come from.keeping shoes clean is not always easy in thailand when its wet.be careful not to be too stingy too. this is a big turn-off for the girls of course.

[Soi Walker]

I't's not the first time this question appears on this board.The notion that Thai girls don't treat indian men well . . .I think that in fact there is some discrimination going on. I have heard MP and bar girls complain that "Indian" people are very smart and clever, and use that to their advantage, usually meaning driving a bargain too well, or hinting but not promising, then reducing the tip based on some unfair reason (performance was less than 10, so let's reduce the normal fee accordingly.)One girl said that she agreed to an outside service on the basis of non-FS treatment, just HJ, but upon arriving at the room FS was demanded, so do it or get out. She of course generalized from one experience, and that's how prejudice starts.But reputation is hard to change. So it is best to know in advance which locations are "friendly." I once tried a Japanese-only club that had so few patrons that they allowed me in, but only downstairs at the bar, not upstairs. They said that westerners have a bad reputation regarding paying the bill, which in clubs like these has all kinds of add-on charges. (If anyone knows the system, I'd like to have an explanation. ) Apparently we question and argue about drinks we didn't order or services we didn't get, so we're excluded.So, bottom line, it's fair to ask and better to not be surprised.

[NicFrenchy]

This girl used to be in one of the Sukhumvit Oilies but my memory plays tricks on me so I'm not sure which MP.Was it Olive at Angels 24?http://www.escorttown.com/escort-158-32874/

[Easy2007]

Well said sir.The biggest problems some other Asian's have is the fact that in Thailand all women are treated with respect, even if they are a bar girl or massage girl. This is the way it is.In certain other countries women are not treated as equals, and as such this inbuilt attitude leads to them being abusive to Thai women, even if they think its ok or normal.Being a gentleman with a girl in Thailand will ensure you get treated with back with the same respect you give to them, Treat them like shit, and you'll be treated like shit too.
I't's not the first time this question appears on this board.The notion that Thai girls don't treat indian men well is bullshit in my opinion. It's the other way which means it depends on you for 99%. If you behave like an asshole you will be treated like one. If you behave like a gentleman, you will get a gentleman-treat. I am Indian too and I have been to Eden, Angels I/II, Darling and MANY more without a single problem (and of course I am the gentleman amongst the gentlemen but you knew that..).

[Richo Stevens]

The biggest problems some other Asian's have is the fact that in Thailand all women are treated with respect....And which planet to you reside on? I just looked out the window cause there was screaming and shouting, and a thai guy dragging his girlfriend by her hair, shouting abusive animal names and asking why she thought she could go shopping when the house was not clean ... , respect you say?In a culture where NOT having a mia noi or three, or a geek or two is unheard of, well - respect you say? Kume on, give us a break would 'ya?

[NicFrenchy]

The biggest problems some other Asian's have is the fact that in Thailand all women are treated with respect, even if they are a bar girl or massage girl. This is the way it isNow THAT made me raise my eyebrows very high.It is obvious you don't live here and certain you don't understand how Thais work. Bar girls and P4P Massage girls are the scum of the country, ALL Non P4P Thais despise them. respect? not ever!

[Member #3428]

Bar girls and P4P Massage girls are the scum of the country, ALL Non P4P Thais despise them. respect? not ever!You folks know more then I do and I totally 100% agree with this. I personally think it's BS but class discrimination and superiority complex in people happen all over the world. Not just Thai. Quite frankly... I enjoy walking around paragon and emporium and such with my TGF who was in P4P (and probably will be back in it someday). Now she is more receptionist. I love ordering items to be delivered to her flat and I love staying at her place. She dresses nice but not over the top trying to show off, I dress nice (usually in suits due to work), we are reserved but she does hold my elbow in public and once in a while we hold hands. But what is priceless to me (and worth every baht I spend in Thai) is that I love to see the snobby snooty upity Thais have to bend and bow to her wants and wishes when she is with me. I, and she, could care less what they say when we turn our back, she's happy and I'm happy. In my experience, much of thai is all about the baht, not just P4P girls. Of course it does not help that many P4P make more in a month or two then the rest of BKK makes in a year. And again.. that goes for the rest of the world too not just Thai, I'm not picking on them because I enjoy the Thai society (don't understand them worth a damn especially the girls but enjoy them). I'll say it a million times... P4P or non P4P... ladies (and actually all people) deserve to be treated decently until they prove to be skanks and deserve to be treated like a street urchin. Not picking on you Nic... just tired of hearing about how much scum P4P girls are. Many are, some are not.

[NicFrenchy]

Not picking on you Nic... just tired of hearing about how much scum P4P girls are. Many are, some are not.No Offense taken mate ;)I love P4P girls, I see them several times a week LOL. The point I was trying to make is that P4P girls are scum in the eyes of non P4P Thais, not ours. In 3 years here I have found some very nice P4P girls, 2 of them I see casually outside their work as I enjoy spending time with them (not only sex).Back to the massage as this is the massage thread: I have Tried Jack & Betty massage on Sukhumvit Soi 33 http://www.raku2.tv/mbdetail_massage.php?id=R010650I chose PINK (more a lack of options rather than me picking her) and she looks similar to the pictures on RakuRaku Website. as the Oil massage starts at 90 minutes minimum (600 thb standard price) and I was in a hurry, I opted for the Aroma Oil (500 thb / 1hour) which is more expensive and no difference from the regular oil.Rooms are very small and the showers are very old: it looks like they did not refurbish the rooms at all when switching from Fullhouse Massage to J&B.PINK is from Ubon Ratchatani and speaks a weak English, but she understood right away that I did not want to be bothered with a massage. She allowed DFK and DATY, gave a passable BBBJ and was a total starfish in bed. She liked the Mish and Doggy but was useless as a Cowgirl. I will not repeat with neither Jack & Betty nor Miss Pink.

[Easy2007]

I think you are mistaking the meaning of the word respect. We are talking respect of another human being, as opposed to respect as say a young student to a teacher.You will not see bar girls or massage girls spat on in the street, they will not be pushed aside in a queue, they will not be kicked while walking in the street. Thus they are shown the same respect as any other girl.Yes there is a level of society which despises them (mostly non P4P girls who are jealous as sin about the money the working girls get, which is often far in excess of what the non P4P girls get every month).Most men in Thailand not be disrespectful to any girl, especially if the wife is not in tow.Yes there is a level of society that gets drunk and abuses women, just like in any other country all over the world. Often termed the "tuk tuk" driver type.Where you say they are the "scum" of the country. Who is saying this? I would dearly love to know.The majority of Thai's are not living in Bangkok. If you talk to most Thai guys they do not show any disdain for working girls, they use them use, but them do not call them scum. Its generally only non P4P girls who would call them scum, to show that level of hatred for them. A vast swathe of Thailand is supported by, involved in, gets money from, or has got money from, the sex industry and as the saying goes "don't kill the goose that lays the eggs".I have been in Thailand over 20 years, and I only know a very small amount of people (in relation to the amount of people I know) who would go to the level of saying P4P girls are "scum" and mean it.So I think you took the wrong meaning for the word "respect".
Now THAT made me raise my eyebrows very high. It is obvious you don't live here and certain you don't understand how Thais work. Bar girls and P4P Massage girls are the scum of the country, ALL Non P4P Thais despise them. Respect? Not ever!

[Satrai2000]

No Offense taken mate ;)I love P4P girls, I see them several times a week LOL. The point I was trying to make is that P4P girls are scum in the eyes of non P4P Thais, not ours.....I have Tried Jack & Betty massage on Sukhumvit Soi 33 http://www.raku2.tv/mbdetail_massage.php?id=R010650I chose PINK (more a lack of options rather than me picking her) and she looks similar to the pictures on RakuRaku Website. as the Oil massage starts at 90 minutes minimum (600 thb standard price) and I was in a hurry, I opted for the Aroma Oil (500 thb / 1hour) which is more expensive and no difference from the regular oil.Rooms are very small and the showers are very old: it looks like they did not refurbish the rooms at all when switching from Fullhouse Massage to J&B.PINK is from Ubon Ratchatani and speaks a weak English, but she understood right away that I did not want to be bothered with a massage. She allowed DFK and DATY, gave a passable BBBJ and was a total starfish in bed. She liked the Mish and Doggy but was useless as a Cowgirl. I will not repeat with neither Jack & Betty nor Miss Pink.Give me a society in which P4P girls are NOT considered scum in the eyes of the non P4P people! It's just part of the hypocrisy of this world.I myself really do not see why a girl who offers a man the utmost physical pleasure should be reckoned to the scum of society.Back to Jack and Betty in soi 33 (it's in the subsoi opposite the Novotel). I visited this parlour twice. The rooms indeed are small but the shower was good when I was there.Both times I had the the same girl from Chiangmai (she is not on their website). She gave a very good btb and fs. So contrary to you: I WILL repeat Jack & Betty.B.t.w.: the other "girls" where not young, not slim and not pretty.

[Gagoo]

Thanks for the suggestion but that's more for ED it sounds like. Plus not sure about putting on a cream or a spray... my TGF would probably have a problem sucking that after putting things like that one. And causing a headache... why not just go cialis or such. The ones I listed were for output, increase load and # of shot volume over repeated times during the day(s) plus supposedly sweetens the taste if your GF says it's too bitter. Which is what (I thought) Nic was talking about.The procomil from a Thai Pharmacy isn't the same at what is seen on the internet. These are pills. They look like MMs, but are silvery.After the previous report and went and tried some again, I didn't get headaches again, I felt a little more agressive sometimes and every time I took 2 pills I got a boner 45 minutes later even though I wasn't in need of it.It isn't just for ED, it can also help make you want boom boom a little moreHere are a couple sites with the real stuff, not the other stuff on the internet.http://www.walterritter.de/english/html/i_proc.htmlhttp://shop.ntp-k.co.th/shop/A212/VZLjxdYhs/syoinfo/134

[Dinghy]

3400B for 10? 340B/each - that's over $10 USPlus testosterone isn't generally recognized as a 1-shot item (and that's what the description is - testosterone)

[M P Lurker]

3400B for 10? 340B/each - that's over $10 USPlus testosterone isn't generally recognized as a 1-shot item (and that's what the description is - testosterone)The price was in Yen for mail order to Japan.Though I see yen and Baht are similar.I guess they are goin to sell a lot cheaper in Thailand.The main ingredient appeared to be Yohimbi, an affrodisiac.I don't think I need anything to make me want sex more. Maybe I can feed it to the girl to make her want sex more. :D

[Chaz]

Easy2007 said recently: "A vast swathe of Thailand is supported by, involved in, gets money from, or has got money from, the sex industry and as the saying goes "don't kill the goose that lays the eggs.I have been in Thailand over 20 years, and I only know a very small amount of people (in relation to the amount of people I know) who would go to the level of saying P4P girls are "scum" and mean it. "I'm not sure how to take this. I find it hard to believe you have been in Thailand for 20 years. Unless you've spent 20 years in a soapy. Instead of saying: "I only know a very small amount of people (in relation to the amount of people I know) who would go to the level of saying P4P girls are "scum" and mean it. " you should have said: I only know a very small amount of people. " You seem to have been taken in by 60 Minutes, or whoever else presents exposes on the Thai sex industry. I wonder where you were before moving to Thailand. Ever been to Amsterdam? Or, for that matter, Washington DC? You can just as well say that: "A vast swathe of DC is supported by, involved in, gets money from, or has got money from, the sex industry and as the saying goes "don't kill the goose that lays the eggs. " So what exactly is your point? In many places there is a larger percentage of the population involved in the sex industry than in Thailand. I thijnk you'ver been suckered in by the U. S. ' Christian-dominated media. Either that, or you are simply a fool.

[Gagoo]

The price was in Yen for mail order to Japan.Though I see yen and Baht are similar.I guess they are goin to sell a lot cheaper in Thailand.The main ingredient appeared to be Yohimbi, an affrodisiac.I don't think I need anything to make me want sex more. Maybe I can feed it to the girl to make her want sex more. :D30 Pills was recently 350 baht in Thailand.There are a few companies with similar products availible in the Pharmacies.One of them has 25 times the testosterone.Notice; the picture of the man on the box is smiling. There is another pic on one of their products where the man is smiling and there is a woman on the bed looking satisfied...ha-ha I belive that's on a high strength fomula.Yes, the other price was for mail order to Japan. I had a hard time finding info elsewhere. In Japan it is pretty easy to bring in, or mail in medication.I lived there 5 years and never had a problem, plus I believe the actual law there is you can bring in 30 days worth of medication without question.

[Carpediemyes]

This girl used to be in one of the Sukhumvit Oilies but my memory plays tricks on me so I'm not sure which MP.Was it Olive at Angels 24?http://www.escorttown.com/escort-158-32874/Yes that is Olive at Angels 26.I once picked her from the book.When she came out she had such a frown and "I cannot be bothered" look that I immediately asked to pick another girl from the room. I wnet in and sawRina and had one of the best sessions of my life with her. This was long before she became a big and popular hit.BTW, Nic I am very surprised at your words calling P4P ladies as scum.Even if you meant only Thais feel this way and not you, I find that surprising coming from you. And I totally disagree. EVERyONE knows most of these girls have few choices and the unheard of in the West responsibility to support their families. What would you do ? Starve on 5000 baht/mo at Big C ?Get a grip Frenchy !

[SE Asia Joe]

I have to confess - I have been spoiled by the choice and pricing in Southern China where I usually monger. I was also not expecting much in bangkok as I also quite occassionally go down to Phuket and I have of late been getting more and more disheartened by the scene down there.Anyway, my friend took me to Bangkok Cozy on Petchburi last night and unexpectedly I was QUITE impressed. The line up was categorized into 1,300, 1,600 and 1,800 and I chose a classier looking gal (#117) from the last category. I was actually quite taken aback as Miao told me that she was 35 years old. To me she looked no more than 25 - but what do I know??? Like I said, I've been spoiled in china and usually get it on with 18 - 22 year olds!! She was VERY nice and although she definitely was the oldest gal I've been with for many many years - I found the wholoe thing very pleasurable and dare I say it.... quite GFE!!I came back again tonight and chose #42 at THB1,600 - a bit younger, a bit less classy/good looking.... but nicer/bigger tits!! Hmmmm..... how come not more of you guys write about this place - seems a bit better deal compared to Emmanuel, Poseidon etc, Darling etc (and other massage parlor I had in the past patronized). Plus somehow I feel that the gals - at least the 2 I had - was quite a bit more 'friendly' and less snooty.SE Asia Joe

[M P Lurker]

I have to confess - I have been spoiled by the choice and pricing in Southern China where I usually monger. I was also not expecting much in bangkok as I also quite occassionally go down to Phuket and I have of late been getting more and more disheartened by the scene down there.Anyway, my friend took me to Bangkok Cozy on Petchburi last night and unexpectedly I was QUITE impressed. The line up was categorized into 1,300, 1,600 and 1,800 and I chose a classier looking gal (#117) from the last category. I was actually quite taken aback as Miao told me that she was 35 years old. To me she looked no more than 25 - but what do I know??? Like I said, I've been spoiled in china and usually get it on with 18 - 22 year olds!! She was VERY nice and although she definitely was the oldest gal I've been with for many many years - I found the wholoe thing very pleasurable and dare I say it.... quite GFE!!I came back again tonight and chose #42 at THB1,600 - a bit younger, a bit less classy/good looking.... but nicer/bigger tits!! Hmmmm..... how come not more of you guys write about this place - seems a bit better deal compared to Emmanuel, Poseidon etc, Darling etc (and other massage parlor I had in the past patronized). Plus somehow I feel that the gals - at least the 2 I had - was quite a bit more 'friendly' and less snooty.SE Asia JoeI previously posted on a great girl from the 1300 category. Only thing limiting her price category was probably a few stretch marks and a small amount of tummy flab. Otherwise nice tits, pretty face and v good performance.Can give a 500 tip for great performance and still be cheaper than most other places.Be prepared to wait for a while if no pretty girls immediately available. One will surely come out in a while and then grab her before the other customers do. Nancy is another place similar, however generally less girls available. Again be prepared to wait for the right girl to come out.Meree or Evita can be worth a try.

[Two Dogs]

was her name spelled Oar or Aor...something like that. Smiley, 27/28 yrs old, 40kg, 145cm. Not being a large person, this petitness fit just fine!it was worth coming back, after an earlier afternoon inspection, nothing to bother with, told mamasan Aey I will come back later that day. She delivered by presenting #11 to me, she told me she was on day off but had her readied just for me after asking my preferences on the initial visit.In short, can not remember any performer being able to produce 2 shots out of me in anything less than a LT overnighter. She accomplised this within a 2 hour window. I have previously enjoyed the same treatment over two hours and a take out overnight with Aor.She is a gem. Treat her with respect and you will not be disappointed!TDs

[El Greco]

Thanks to previous posters I decided to try her. It was my second day in BKK on my way to Philippines earlier this month.I called them up and made a booking for 2 hrs starting at 19:00 hrs on a saturday evening.It was my first time there and I was expecting her to be a little chubby but she is not. Slim figure a 6 in my scale. She was only available for 1 1/2 hrs and apologised for that.I won't go in too many details just a few. LOLShe started a deep BBBJ with water in her mouth in the shower which lasted for about 15 min I guess.Fantastic feeling. Once in bed she continued using also a little baby oil and was a combination of excellent HJ and deep throat BBBJ. In one instance she had the tip of one fingure up my ass while giving me a prostatis massage with the other ones and a balls massage with the her other hand. All this while deep throating me. I pressed her head all the way down with my left hand several times and she accepted it so I told her to take a deep breath decided to close her nose with my right hand in order to see how long she could take it for. Well she took it for quite long before she bursted in a mixture of loughing and tears in her eyes.The only thing she said was "good idea" still loughing.Later on I really don't remember how many fingures I had in her ass and pussy and beleive you me she was enjoying it a lot. When I couldn't take it any more I asked her to put the condom on and her question was which hole I would like to bang first.I started with the front followed by the rear then went to the shower to clean my self a bit back to the bed for a long hoover action deep throat with CIM. A true three holer. I relaxed a bit and later on had lots of more hoover action but unable to finish for a second time due to the time limit.On the way back from Manila I went for a second round with her. Almost same routine with all the way deep throat and CIM again. I miss her already being back home now.Overall one of my very best experiences only comparable to the ones I have with my favorita Brasilerinha in Rio de Janeiro.Guys that girl is a must have while in BKK. I have been there more than 200 times but I never had such a great porn star experience before.So go for her but please treat her well and don't spoil her. Damage 400baht/hr plus 1.500 for her. Peanuts in other words. That service will cost more than 500 euros in europe.The room is small, worn down, and the towels used to be white once. But I have been in worst places in Latin America. Enjoy herEl Greco

[MilesToGo]

I have previously enjoyed the same treatment over two hours and a take out overnight with Aor.She is a gem. Treat her with respect and you will not be disappointed!TDstwodogs - hey thanks for reminding me - now I have to go get my LOS fever medication and check with my travel agent soon !!! - btw- elGreco - good post on Dao - Still on my todo list, just damn all the distractions while in BKK!

[Soi Walker]

Not having been there, and intrigued by some of the reports in this forum, I went by MRT and got the look and feel of it.If you haven't been there, exit the MRT at HuayKhwang on the side of the Emerald Hotel, not the SwissHotel La Concorde side. Walk in the direction toward Sukhumvit-Petchburi-Rama9, not toward LadPrao. When you see Nataree, there are two entrances, actually two business, I think. The one toward the left as you face it is a Thai/Oil massage, where you pay 400/800 B at the counter, then negotiate with the lady upstairs. The one on the right is a slice of heaven.I agree with one poster, who said just entering the place is enough to drive you up the wall. It has a fish bowl, but there are ladies seated in several sections of the lobby, which also has tables and chairs where you can relax and get refreshments while you try to decide what to do. It's like a pick-up bar, and the hosts will guide you around to look, get the prices (different prices for different girls, depending on their age, looks, popularity), talk to them if you want.While I was drinking a cola and scanning from a distance, a stunning beauty with an infectious smile was sitting with two customers, talking with them. One had his hand on her thigh, and they must have known each other from a previous day, because she was booked and was waiting for her date. I asked about her: 4000 B ! She's some kind of super-star. I might spring for it, because she is (looks at least) worth it. Nun is her name.I took a second tour. The place was fairly busy, even for 2 PM on a Monday. I was drawn to two girls, friends or even real sisters, from ChiangRai. I had them stand up and talk to me, as I like to see the shape of the lady standing, rather than sitting. I also like to hear the voice, and get a feeling for the friendliness of the lady. Both were in the 2600 B category, and both were non-English and non-talkative, but one had something I wanted to explore.I paid the amount (if anyone can advise, is bargaining accepted there, successful at all?) and went upstairs. The room was a 9 compared to the MPs I usually go to, though I haven't used soapies all too much, so my scale of measurement may be off. Big room, big bath tub, TV, wide and very clean bed, a two-person sofa (vinyl covering), very spacious; but the A/C could not be controlled -- only on/off.The girl's name: Mook (pearl). It's all relative to preferences, and her body and face were worth the price IMHO. She hardly talked though, but some people like it that way. She doesn't like BJ, but would have if I insisted, though I didn't. She doesn't do much massage, but was content to exercise the gear shift lever as long as I wanted. Her small pink pussy and white skin were much like some of the pretty FK-dolls you see in Japanese porn. Her breasts were quite small, but her nipples were rose pink and perky, and if you fantasize about young students like in so many Japanese porn movies, this one could pass (but 19 years old, guaranteed, she said.) She had some odd mannerisms, but it was a pleasure to stare at her, touch her, and seek the second ecstasy after a mid-term shower and rest.Gonna walk the soi to that location again.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[M P Lurker]

I paid the amount (if anyone can advise, is bargaining accepted there, successful at all?) and went upstairs. The room was a 9 compared to the MPs I usually go to, though I haven't used soapies all too much, so my scale of measurement may be off. Big room, big bath tub, TV, wide and very clean bed, a two-person sofa (vinyl covering), very spacious; but the A/C could not be controlled -- only on/off.At non-rip-off places, there is usually fixed prices and no bargaining.At rip-off places you need to know the "real" prices.Nataree rooms are not in the greatest condition compared to other more up market soapy places. But there are other places with worse rooms.Some of the higher priced girls are much less expereinced than the lower priced girls. They seem to put a price premium on newbie girls that are very young for some reason, even if they are not specially pretty nor have voluptuous figures.Its not like we are breaking their cherry, so this makes no sense to me.Thai men don't like girls who have had children for some reason. ;) So they will be much cheaper.

[Crazyazn]

i was wondering if i could get some expert advise from my seasoned isg members on where to go for the "best" b-course/slide and mustf$#*ks in bangkok. i've been reading up on previous post and reviews and have somewhat of an idea on where to go. but i am very limited on my time because it's only a two day layover. so i'm looking for the "can't miss" places. heres what i have so far.decemberday 110:30am arrive @ bangkok12:00pm check into hotel: four seasons01:00pm [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) for some bj action02:00pm lunch: ???05:00pm b-course @ emmanuelle 07:00pm dinner/bar: afterschool, rawhide...day 211:00am massage parlor: ???? need a good thai or oil massage12:00pm lunch05:00pm amsterdam or poseidon entertainment for my "mustf&%k" thb 3,000-6,500 for a model08:00pm airportif anyone has any suggestions or ideas, please let me know.thanks!

[NicFrenchy]

BTW, Nic I am very surprised at your words calling P4P ladies as scum.Even if you meant only Thais feel this way and not you, I find that surprising coming from you. And I totally disagree. EVERyONE knows most of these girls have few choices and the unheard of in the West responsibility to support their families. What would you do ? Starve on 5000 baht/mo at Big C ?Get a grip Frenchy !I am not sure how to reply to this, you obviously already have a strong opinion about me (even thoughI am not sure we know each other). I would appreciate next time if you would actually Quote my whole sentence and keep it in its context, that way people can get an idea of what you are referring to.For the record, yes I was talking about how non P4P ladies view and categorize their P4P counterparts. If only you would take the time to read a few of my reports, it is pretty obvious I like P4P girls as I see them several times a week. A grip you say? And, by the way, this is the Massage Thread so next time post your rant in the appropriate Thread.***********************************Now as we are in the Massage Thread, Let me bring to light a new girl I have tried at Luxury Spa on Sukhumvit soi 19: Miss ChristinaVery nice personality and fluent between the sheets ;)She gave me a Very slow BBBJ before riding me to completion. Would I repeat with her? Hell yes! but she says she is very popular and it is better to book her in advance.Cheers

[M P Lurker]

No Offense taken mate ;)I love P4P girls, I see them several times a week LOL. The point I was trying to make is that P4P girls are scum in the eyes of non P4P Thais, not ours. In 3 years here I have found some very nice P4P girls, 2 of them I see casually outside their work as I enjoy spending time with them (not only sex).CarpeDiemYes,On this forum you need to live in the past and on other days too. Nic Explained his meaning on the 23rd, several days before you complained.

[RCA Knight]

I arranged to stop over 2 days in BKK after a business trip flying from Amsterdam on Eva, the Eva seat is so hard. I got a sort ass from the flight. Not reccomend for long flight. Still jet-legged and tired from 4 AM arrival, made my way to Utopia that afternoon. I think this parlour got mentioned quite often. Mr Licker reccomend it too. I have been here a few times before, but never really like the line up. I went to check it out again.I waited for about one hour from 3 30 to 4 30. But I did not find the whole sideline lineup attarctive, actually the whole line up was quite old. Some of the girls obviously over 30. I went to check up stairs, but was not impressed by any of the 10 girls. Was tired to move around, so got a girl in random who looked okay from a distance. When I closely looked, the girl I picked was also aging, later know she is 28. The body was quite loose, had stomach fats, the ass was a loose, so I was in disappointment mode from the start. So ended up just a hand job, she did not give bbbj, only a covered one. I ended the session after hand job in 30 min, and quicky got out and checked the lineup again, again I found the sideline first floor lineup was really aging and not even one that I would feel horny about. And the second floor model section also was quite mediocre and price was rediculous with foriegn surcharge.Again disppointed about the selection at Utopia, got a taxi and head to Nataree. It was about 6 and the quantity was great but quality was somewhat down from my previous visit. Again could not pick one that I feel horny. Papasan coerced me in taking some new new newbie who just had her cherry poped a few days ago. They would continue to say that for a few months obviously.The face was so so, but looks very fresh, I just got her because my brain was also jet legged and tired of choosing. Actually I get girls mostly due to this tired of choosing. 4000 for this one. Still very fresh indeed, no service, some cbj but did not really want to do it, the only good thing is she is a great hug, I actuaaly get horny by just hugging her, also ended this one in hand job. Nataree has a much younger lineup than Utopia, but it takes luck to have a good service there as well, I guess I am more and more spoiled recently by the quality of japanese hotel health, the extend they willing to do, bbbj, swallowing cum, ball licking, 69, vibe, anal licking, ect. and many of these girls are so beautiful as well. Also after these 2 session in BKK, I also miss the saunas in China where all girls will lick your anus and bbbj for eternity.Can BKK soapies learn a little from japanese health and China saunas.

[Carpediemyes]

I am not sure how to reply to this, you obviously already have a strong opinion about me (even thoughI am not sure we know each other).CheersSorry if I offended you.I enjoy your posts and information very much, which is why I was surprised by your comments.But I do disagree. I think that only the HiSo upper class look down on a P4P girl trying to keep her family alive. Most Thais understand poverty, lack of education and "no money" all too well. Sad state of affairs for the country IMO.Cheers

[M P Lurker]

I waited for about one hour from 3 30 to 4 30. But I did not find the whole sideline lineup attarctive, actually the whole line up was quite old. Some of the girls obviously over 30. I went to check up stairs, but was not impressed by any of the 10 girls. I am amazed. I have never noticed the lineup at Utopia to be particularly old. The girls I took were low 20s about 21 to 23 year olds. I'm not so keen on Nataree's teenagers (some probably under 18). Utopia gets very busy but mostly Asian customers.Attached is a pic of my recent favourite who has a great body and very GFE. Straight 9s accross the board in my scoring. After a day I might switch pics to hide the eyes. Is she to your taste or do you go for a completely different look? Give us an example pic would be nice.Links to posts with pics of girls I had with hot bodies:http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=723406&highlight=versailles#post723406http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=687095&highlight=Emmanuelle#post687095http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=661968&highlight=Emmanuelle#post661968For her face see B19 on the web site What is your opinion?How can it be that only you cannot find a good looking girl or a good performance (I often get both)?And to be honest I consider myself to be somewhat of a pessimist.

[GourmetBob1]

I have always thought a good way to finish a massage for a big guy, which I am, is to hop back on the table after the shower and get a good powder in the crotch, genital, armpit area. But have not found how to ask for this. However this trip, needing a haircut and finding a recommendation for Friends Massage on Soi 19, I decided on an oil massage as well. At the end of a good 1 hour oil massage, she asked if I wanted an HJ. I said I did not (A few of us older guys are not up to multiple pops a day, and I want to save what I have.) But a good massage of the testicles, crotch, cock and connecting areas is very nice. I told the woman, Noi, what I wanted and we spent 30 minutes focusing on what I liked. I got hard, and she said finishing was always an option. But I passed. She finished and I said what I would really also like, after I shower, was for her to dry me well in the same area and then apply powder. She agreed and I left the shop ready for walking in BK's hot weather, feeling very comfortable. I did not experience the rash I, and others, often get. I was so happy I went back the next day. She had purchased "Prickly Heat" menthol powder and we did it again. And it was even better. I said others may be interested but she needed to know what they wanted, so we decided to call it a "Sumo" massage. My tip was the same as if I had a HJ, but it was much more enjoyable.I recommend it, and Noi, highly.

[Ralph Kramden]

In my opinion RCA Knight does raise some valid points.From my point of view Japanese girls are hands-down the cock sucking champs. It goes along with the overall great customer service attitude that prevails in Japan.I have never partaken in a Chinese sauna that offers all the great services described by RCA Knight, but certainly hope to. However, I think these girls are probably very well instructed by their employers as to the service standard they must adhere to. I have never received any such service from a Chinese free lancer.Then you have the generally poor service attitude of the Koreans. I am in no rush to return there any time soon.Finally, Thai girls seem to have a more laid-back attitude about service and so do the establishments they work for. There seems to not be any set standard for customer service. I can live with the generally lower standard of service because the appeal to me is the wide variety of choice available and reasonable pricing. Also I have never really encountered any old looking service providers in well established Bangkok MPs.

[M P Lurker]

Finally, Thai girls seem to have a more laid-back attitude about service and so do the establishments they work for. There seems to not be any set standard for customer service. I can live with the generally lower standard of service because the appeal to me is the wide variety of choice available and reasonable pricing. Also I have never really encountered any old looking service providers in well established Bangkok MPs.Some of the BKK Soapies seem to have the girls trained to provide certain standard of service. you notice it after taking several girls and all seeming to provide something that many other soapies don't.Utopia is one such place where the service in the bath seems to reach an exceptional standard with both girls I tried. I don't think it was just coincidence. Possibly was coincidence that both were very GFE.There are a few places that provide body to body massage including BJ in the bath. Copacabana was just one of them.Of course it will never be that all girls are absolutely equal.

[Maphrao]

Hello, guysI don't post too much are I am more a "tourist" (even if I come few time a year in asia and mostly in Thailand)So compared to the experts and expats, I always think that I don't have too much interesting stuff to add to the forum.And also my english is very weak.By another I like mongering but these days I like also to pick "regular" lady in the streets, shops and so on, it s rather easy in Thailand even if it's a little bit slower than usual business. You can easily change girl every day for free and a lot of fun and adventure. Mobile phone in that case is so helpfulBut to be back to the main business, one location I like to go is Sazanka (soi22, washigton square) the korean style? Salt massage amd so on my type of girl is small amd skinny and I found out the one I like: miss TOMO mumber 30 I like very much her style and spec, slim, perfect bottom, half thai and half japanese (she says she is not, but she look like too much). She always makes me come really madly even when I have a lot action. She is very good in what she is doing. So I use to book her by phone.But last time I forgot to do it and I walk in directly. The papasan said she was working and booked for almost the day! I was not surprised as she is a little star in her job, but when the day after I booked her by phone, and so I talk to her she say worked really for a low quantity of customer certainly due to that the papasan didm't like her. She didn't knew the reason but she told me to phone directly to her mobile to check the truth the next time I will like she take good care of my health.So guys if you have more information's about this cute girl, please share and post all the information's here. Anyway I will follow the user manual and phone both to sazanka and to her as she advise me.Happy hunting guysAnd thank you all of you for all that good knowledge.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[RCA Knight]

another major concern about thai soapie scene is the extreme high cost and its level of quality and service simply do not match. its quite hard now to find a young, nice body, friendly cutie with good service now in thailand, if there is one like this, she most likely in the sideline to supersideline categories. i would think she would sell for at least 3000 up to 8000 or so. in these few recent years, the girls that i considered doable were almost in the 4000-7000 supersideline range and only exist in a few major shops. but simply in thailand now the cost does not bring any guarantee. but this is not true in other nations. after roaming all over world hunting for delicacy, i can confirm that thailand quality meat is the most expensive in all third world nations. and with passable sideline price tag like 3000-7000, this price almost exceeds even the most expensive first world country japan. in japan, health club or image club and all other variations, price start from 12000 to 15000 yen for about 1 hour. not cheap, but the quality of girls is top of the world, the extend of service even surpass china saunas. i am always so astonished how a beautiful doll like this will go that far, long bbbj, all body lick, ball sucking, mouth ejaculation, cum swallowing, fingering ass, anal licking, [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103), vibe, all other imaginable acts, and perform them as they real enjoy it. in my 50 or so sessions in tokyo hotel health, image club, soaplands, ect, i did not even had one single miss, 100% success rate, so many sessions even astonished me how far these beatiful japanese girls would go in pleasing customers. even its 12000 or 15000 yen or up to 20000 yen a session with some extras, every yen is worth it. also the memory lasts. these third world thai sideliners many times charge exceed that of japanese health, can you believe it but its true, and the quality, service, selection, and gf are not even close to the first world most expensive country and world's second biggest economy's young beauties who work just to buy a few more chanel or prada bags. i am really disappointed again and again every time making transit thru thailand, and try again and again, still cost/quality/selection/service can not match japan health or china saunas by far far margin. japan and china are not these wide open international market, there are domestic-oriented meat markets. it takes some learning, observation, trials and errors, and some basic communication skill to crack open these 2 markets. but the reward is amazing. about china saunas, ask these zuhai, dongguang or chang ping experts, they will tell you all about it. you will know how 1000-1500 baht or so will get you in china. thailand now is even losing the edge to other nearby third worlds in cost/quality performance. in my opinion, now i would rank definitely indonesia, myanmar, laos, over thailand in overall value for money. in these wide open international meat markets like indonesia, philippines, laos, myanmar, and thailand, thailand certainly has become way to expensive and the quality and service has gone way down hill since the 90's.its price tags for the top ends now may exceed that of first world nations. this is just my little observation for thailand after been hunting all over the world including thailand for 15 years, if things don't improve a bit here, i think many other hunters are discovering other destinations, especially china, where nowadays there are tons and tons of hard core sex tourists as compared to 10 or 15 years ago hardly any.

[M P Lurker]

<cut> But a good massage of the testicles, crotch, cock and connecting areas is very nice. I told the woman, Noi, what I wanted and we spent 30 minutes focusing on what I liked. I got hard, and she said finishing was always an option. But I passed. <cut>Any massage of cock and balls is normally considered sexual and I would consider it sexual too even if I wouldn't want a hand job.Reminds me of Bill Clinton saying he didn't think a BJ was actually sexual relations.:)If it wasn't sexual at all I would say your post should be moved to the General Thread as this is primarily a sex forum. ;) No, just kidding.Now what can be more frustrating than getting a nice non-sexual massage from a pretty girl with a hot body and you are just dying to get your hands onto her tits and down her panties? :( I'm going to stick to the naughty massage venues. I just do not like to lie still and do nothing. But each to their own thing.

[M P Lurker]

Its quite hard now to find a young, nice body, friendly cutie with good service now in Thailand, if there is one like this, she most likely in the sideline to supersideline categories. I would think she would sell for at least 3000 up to 8000 or so.Price is not proportional to good looks or service in my opinion. Obviously Thailand is not the cheapest but far cheaper than Europe at 50 Euros min per 30 mins for a reasonably good girl at an FKK (+ extra for establishment entry cost). China is obviously far cheaper but I wouldn't know where to find pretty girls based on when I was in Guangzhou. Perhaps I was in the wrong place.Chinese round faces, flat bums and straight hips seem common.I had a reasonably nice girl with good performance for 1300 Baht but gave a little extra tip at Bangkok Cozy.Its quite clear that paying really big Baht is just a waste of money.You have made no comment on girls pics I have posted nor given any indication what a pretty girl looks like in your view. But feel free to say they are ugly if you think so.This makes it very hard for any of us to understand what you are on about, other than your requirements sound more into the pornstar category and its probably hard to find georgous pornstars in Thailand.BTW, I have seen a few Japanese Porn movies, but they don't do anything for me. The girls are usually not exceptionally pretty, and they give more the impression of being forced to do it rather than enjoying it. But Japan does have exceptionally pretty girls.Akiko Wakabayashi who starred in James Bond "You only Live Twice" (as the one who got poisoned) when I was just a young one, made a lasting impression on me, and probably first convinced me that I was really keen on asian women. http://www.jamesbondmm.co.uk/bond-girls/akiko-wakabayashi.php?id=010http://www.jamesbondmm.co.uk/bond-girls/akiko-wakabayashi.php?id=011http://www.jamesbondmm.co.uk/bond-girls/akiko-wakabayashi.php?id=014

[RCA Knight]

Mr. Licker's pic are quite okay, but as for me its still not the top delicacy. You are luckier than me I guess, in Thailand, in and out of Thailand recent years, I haven't really have any memorable ones. But if you started Thailand 10 or more years back, then you will know the difference in service atitude and availability of cuties in most shops. This is the thing I am mostly disapointed that only 10 years makes a such a difference. Not to mention price also doubled or tripled or even more in these cuties but gf and atitude are down down as compared to 10 years ago. But I think its the over over abundance of punters is the reason that ruined the market.I think China will eventually turned spoiled. But its a huge huge country with never ending supply of meat, so it may take a few more decades. Certainly Myanmar, laos, Cambo, Indo, also have thier changes in service/quality/cost in recent 10 years but its not as severe as Thailand. Brasil is the most constant price/quality wise, 10 years ago, 40-60USD can get a quite a nice cutie, in northeast maybe 20USD less, pretty much all with gf and fun atiude, 10 yaers later, the pricing stay pretty much the same and the atitude as well.Not true Chinese girls have flat ass. There are all types of Chinese girls with all type of faces, ranging from the southeast Asian type, all the way to eskimo Russian features, I personally think Northern China women in Dalian, Chingdao all the way to Harbin areas are really sexy and hot with long slender legs, so many tall and slender ones that fit my taste. And lots of freebies around if you put some efforts.Next trip here to Thailand, I will again look for the nice body cutie with gf service. Life is a never ending search for the perfect meat. I will hit the local scene again for a change. Hope for a new discovery. Have a week off, on the way to Japan, this time I will check out the infamous Sapporo Susukino areas with a JP co-worker. Will report my findings.

[M P Lurker]

But if you started Thailand 10 or more years back, then you will know the difference in service atitude and availability of cuties in most shops. This is the thing I am mostly disapointed that only 10 years makes a such a difference. Not to mention price also doubled or tripled or even more in these cuties but gf and atitude are down down as compared to 10 years ago. But I think its the over over abundance of punters is the reason that ruined the market.I started Mongering in Thailand 15 plus years ago. Perhaps the fishbowl seemed to have more pretty girls back then. What I thought was realy good looking back then is now ordinary looking. I have checked my photos from 15 years ago. We get fussier in old age.It could be that more of the pretty girls are getting lucrative jobs in Japanese clubs these days.As for service, I don't see any marked difference other than bare back was more common in the old days. Not many soapy girls were pornstars back then and they still aren't. But still get plenty of GFEs now and had a some duds back then too. I think its just that our requirements to feel totally satisfied can increase over the years too.There is of course no doubt that prices have gone up a lot.I can't remember the original price at the Thermae coffee shop. I do remeber taking a girl from Soi Cowboy for the night for 400 Baht and that wouldn't have been the cheapest price. Had a lot of problems over several days with trying to get her to leave causing wasted time. Came back to my Hotel and knocked on the door uninvited while I had another girl inside.Others will remember the days when could get a girl in Chiangmai for 40 Baht, I bet. I do agree there are lots of very ordinary looking girls in Soapies. I can look at a big array of girls at Catherine or Nataree and stuggle to find a really pretty one too. The problem can be that the few pretty ones are busy.I once spotted an absolute stunner at Utopia No. '000' but never spotted her again. She must be always busy or not coming to work sometimes. But at least I know the number and could book her one day.You have to spend time to spot them and then note down the numbers so you can book them when they become free sometimes.I Have very high priced girls at Amsterdam, Delilah and others not to give good service.In many shops the "models" are high priced but not prettier than the side line girls. They usually have reasonably good figures though, I suspect.I think that RCA Knight is going for girls that are too expensive and thereby getting the lazier girls who don't perform.When I consider Brazil or China, I go to their Photo Galleries. I am then suprised by how few good lookers are appearing there.There should be stunning Brazilians there but many look ordinary.I think many good looking P4P Brazilians may be getting bigger money overseas. Had some nice ones in Germany.They are possibly best kissers in the world.

[Member #4147]

In a slightly diff locale now, Westin Suk, all good usin' miles. Anyway exploration of some MPs I haven't tried. Instructions courtesy of G. 1st stop Oranges. Look at book. Pet- papa says 18 yo, 41 kg, what could go wrong. Just to be sure I ask to see & do. Seems doable 2 hr oil please. Up we go at 4 floors. Have had sucksess in past just laying the 1500b on table making it obvious I like special. The massage was inordinately frustrating as she'd lightly rub back, upper then lower, upper then lower, wtf. After maybe 20 min I roll over signal her to take it off, she asks if I want special signals 1500 I point out $, wtf! She showers, slowly, dims lights way to low which I'm not havin & have her return to higher setting. Well she lays down beside me & snuggles up, could be good. I unwrap her towel & discover. The antidote to viagra. Probably the most ravaged I've layed beside, saggin tits & gut, almost lost my b'fast. I get up & out asap. F that I'm going for a proven track record right, no more chances, Aviva here I cum. En route swing by LL to wie ghets G, he is occupied by 2 others, maybe other ISGers who I see on the street shortly afterward but I don't talk I'm on a mission. I opt to not interupt G as I'm sure his business is demanding so I pass thru not knowing when/if to bring champagne. I digress, at Aviva I tell Mama May bring 1 of my favs we go all day, good in past. She says til 11pm 4500b total, more or less a common rate I encounter. Back to Westin we go, executive lounge is great for eating & drinking & we do. Then room time. Reluctant performer but I figure maybe quantity will make up for quality. We do the deed I get fair back massage whilst she watches tube. Then happy hour at lounge we get our drinks on I think maybe I'll become more handsome to her the more she drinks as is oft reported. Back to room good buzz on, time to get clothes of right. Wrong. Now 7ish & she needs to go get a new cell phone battery. I object point out agreement was til 11, to no avail she bolts. I call shop wtf May, blah blah, blah she doesn't think this should be a problem, but I do. So I have had good luck there mostly but think I ought to get a freebie or swear off Aviva what say you guys? Anyway she said we'll talk today we'll see.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Ralph Kramden]

RCA Knight does have the advantage and perspective of apparently traveling around Asian countries on business and being guided by local business contacts to a certain extent. This is extremely helpful in Japan where the lions share of the P4P industry is closed to non-Japanese.I do take issue with the statement that full service is available at 10 to 12,000 Yen in Japan. That price will fetch you a 40 minute blow job from an attractive provider, with the possibility of intercourse if you are lucky, charming or slip her extra money. 30 to 70,000 is more the price to get the full treatment with a really lovely specimen.Bangkok MPs still offer far better value for the money in my opinion.I certainly agree that becoming older often brings us more spendable income and a desire to experience something out of the ordinary, than when we were 18 years old and whacking off to the Photo Gallery pictures 5 or 6 times per week.

[RCA Knight]

I was looking at a few old turned yellow travel diary from 10-15 years back. The ink has faded, I saw I wrote sometime in earlier 90's on some trips to BKK, I wrote I liked Mirage soapie and Cleopatra. It was before the Tarawadee, Amsterdam, Poseidon, Colonze era, I checked my travellogue, I found the price, 1200-1500 for lounge girls,(I guess I mean sideline), 900-1200 for normal,(I think I mean the fishbowl). Also wrote Mirage has so many cuties, paid 3 visits in 5 days, Cleopatra beautiful lounge girl, paid 1500, ect ect, So for the same type of high end girls, I am right price has gone double to triple, Thats pretty big jump. The same sideliners would cost from at least 3000-5000 these days.Also found some notes on another travelogue on Nana Plaza, I think its also back early 90's, I did not write the year, I wrote girls dance naked, some very cute ect 500-700 bahts to ST. Also wrote ladyboys like me everywhere, want to come for free, haha.I also found some notes on Brasil as well, in the same early 90's diary, I wrote, beautiful young girls in a boate(night club)on Rua Augusta, Sao Paulo, Paid her 50USD for a session to my hotel, ect ect, Had a girl from a boate in Florianoplois, gave her 50USD for whole night, she very happy, I wrote. So Brasil price stays pretty much the same in 15 years or so. May be only up 10-20 percent or so.About Japan, actually japan scene is getting cheaper than before, because of firece competiton, and bad economy, there are always discount as well, and health and image club, pink salon, ect ect, theoretically they do not have intercourse on the menu, by in reality, if the girl does not dislike you, they mostly likely will give, so actually a cheap 12000 yen afternoon session with a super cutie with all the imaginable acts, and end in intercouse is a very good deal, to me a better deal than the hard to expect Thai semi-cutie sideliner, even without intercourse at JP health, the excitement from all these sex acts are already satisfying.

[M P Lurker]

Also wrote Mirage has so many cuties, paid 3 visits in 5 days, Cleopatra beautiful lounge girl, paid 1500, ect ect, So for the same type of high end girls, Its rumoured that many of the Mirage girls have now gone to Selene. I'll try to check on Selene again in a few weeks.New Cleopatra has closed, but I hadn't gone there for nearly 3 years anyway. Did seem to go downhill.Most side-line girls are in range 2000-3000 Baht with only a few places higer than that. I have never paid more than 3900 (Utopia) for sideliners. High priced "models" rarely looked any better. Once was tempted by an Amsterdam girl at 5100 Baht but thought better of it and had a girl at La Defense for about half the price.Actually I have never ever had a really great time at a soapy with any girl costing over 3900 Baht, that was good enough to make me do it again. Repeated several times with a Bangkok Cozy girl for just 1300 Baht. A good price still exists.So given we have both had not so great experiences with high priced models, the advice is obvious. Stay away from Thai girls in the ridiculous price brackets. e.g. If at Poseidon or Copacabana or Plaza, don't even venture upstairs. Its not going to be worthwhile, so I don't bother anymore.Alternatively, if other Countries do it for you, give the Thai scene away. Perhaps you have grown out of it.After experiencing the fantastic girls in German FKK, I quickly gave away mongering in Australia completely.

[Joe Nailer]

About Japan, actually japan scene is getting cheaper than before, because of firece competiton, and bad economy, there are always discount as well, and health and image club, pink salon, ect ect, theoretically they do not have intercourse on the menu, by in reality, if the girl does not dislike you, they mostly likely will give, so actually a cheap 12000 yen afternoon session with a super cutie with all the imaginable acts, and end in intercouse is a very good deal, to me a better deal than the hard to expect Thai semi-cutie sideliner, even without intercourse at JP health, the excitement from all these sex acts are already satisfying.I know this is not the Japan thread, but being prompted by RCA's recent posts about the Japan scenes in the Thailand thread which happened to coincide with my upcoming business trip to Japan, I plan to visit one of these "health hotels". Having worked in Japan for 2 years 10 years ago, I can comment that Japanese are very service oriented people , and give you the value for which you are paying. No nonsense. They are very rule abiding people. While countries like Vietnam, it is in their blood to rip off foreigners. I dont think they feel any guilt about that. I may have been lucky in Thailand, but I find Thailand much much less so. Anyway thanks to RCA's pointers to some places in Tokyo. I would report my findings in Japan.

[Member #4147]

I want to tell Aviva to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off but I'm not getting better elsewhere. OK so I've had 1/2 dozen different girls @ Aviva, 100+ hrs of service, some overnights, many all days, but last gal left me wanting. So common for me to go early if my morning is unoccupied & get my 1st shot of day. I can't say any were bad, some better than others to be sure. So a 2hr session is often little more than 1 1/2 by the time we settle in room get supplies & such. So often I go for 3 which is then really more like 2 1/2. Occasionally go for the all day which girls seem to want to go elsewhere towards end of shift. All nighters are great if you have a friend & take 2 clubbing albeit expensive. Girls will order enough food & drinks for 10 people. Best was a nt at the now closed Collisium w/my friend w/Apple & me w/Nat. I'm not a big drinker but they all were & we/they sucked down a big bottle. Music blasted we had a great table for the show & I had an amazing lap dance, for hours! Get drunk w/Nat & you can believe she loves you, altho we'd had numerous sessions to get to know each other. They/we were drunk as hell went back to the 2 bedroom suite @ Pres Sollitaire & partied like porn/rockstars inhibitions were left far behind. My friend paid for everything as is his want/ability so not sure of cost but 10k for girls, another 10k for food & drink seem like rough estimates. 2 bedroom suite not cheap either but what a riot. So now I want to tell Aviva they may lose a good customer if they don't make amends after previously reported debacle but I fear I may only hurt myself if I burn bridge. I still have fun there but the principle thing has been compromised. If I could find as good or better I'd be done w/them but as yet I haven't.

[M P Lurker]

In a slightly diff locale now, Westin Suk, all good usin' miles. <cut> I call shop wtf May, blah blah, blah she doesn't think this should be a problem, but I do. So I have had good luck there mostly but think I ought to get a freebie or swear off Aviva what say you guys? Anyway she said we'll talk today we'll see.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Editor,Is your recommendation auto generated? Surely you don't really condone this semi chat room style which I thought was against the rules. My own English spelling is bad, lets call it near English, but I don't do it deliberately.

[NicFrenchy]

I want to tell Aviva to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off but I'm not getting better elsewhere. To each their own.I have crossed Aviva Off a long time ago and when I go (maybe twice a year now) Mamasan May always asks me why I do not come more and I always tell her I go to many other shops. Trust me, there are much much better Oilies on Sukhumvit, Try Thonglor Massage, Angels and the others around. Surely not all girls are good but there are gems in there ;)

[Melbx]

I only been to bangkok a few times lately and stayed near Nana area. I noticed Naree Massage in Soi 4. Any detailed report? It would be appreciated.

[G Haribo]

Hi,I'm looking for a soapy girl good at french kissing and sex.I've only met few girls who do it, but most of the massage girls don't like it. I normally go to Nataree, Poeseidon, Angels. Any girls to recommend?

[NicFrenchy]

Hi,I'm looking for a soapy girl good at french kissing and sex.I've only met few girls who do it, but most of the massage girls don't like it. I normally go to Nataree, Poeseidon, Angels. Any girls to recommend?This is not an easy question because French Kissing is usually a YMMV question. A girl can French Kiss a customer but refuse to do it with another because of Chemistry.Best is to ask the Papasan and he will direct you to the right girl (he will also tell her she has been chosen because of this).If she provides you with the service you asked for, don't forget to tip the Papasan on your way out ;)

[NicFrenchy]

Now is it possible to extend to the full 2 hrs if you decide that you're really enjoying the "massage"?Of course.I always book 1 hour, never have a massage and start the "special" immediately. If the girl is very responsive and fun then I usually extend for an extra 30 or 60 minutes. The cost is exactly the same either way.

[Mouse1]

Mouse,I guess being in my early 30's I don't have that "natural' sex drive anymore. Haven't tried Viagra yet so don't want to hurt myself. I think 1.5 hr is just perfect. Now is it possible to extend to the full 2 hrs if you decide that you're really enjoying the "massage"?Well, I've got a few extra years on you, in that case. Were it not for Viagra / Cialis I would be something of a limp disappointment I suspect! Never had any major problems with either.I think in most cases it is possible to extend your appointment, unless the girl has an appointment with one of her regulars immediately after? The only extra charge will be 200Bht for the room.

[Mauldid]

Day 7 in BKK and had to try out Nataree. Following the directions of the various posts (Mick, et al) on how to get there via MRT, finding the place was a piece of cake. As soon as you get off the Hauy Kwang at Exit 3, take right and there it is, the row of entertainment plazas. Forget the taxi, the walk to anyone of these places shouldn't be more than 10 mins. Actually got there about 15 mins before Nataree opened so I got a foot massage to kill some time. While looking out the window of the legit massage shop, you see fair skin ladies in taxis or on a back of a motor bike going to work at the various plazas. At around 2pm, I walked into the entrance of Nataree that was closest to the MRT. There were about 30 some girls all together. Saw 3 in the fish bowl and 20-25 sitting in the "restaurant area". As I walked in the one closest to the main door smiled and spoke english to me about. The cheer man gave me the run down, 2000 for 2 hrs for both side liners and fishbowl. I guess it was a slow day. I was so happy that didn't really look around just stared into the fishbowl at number 39. I think it was the lighting that got me, like a deer in headlights. Only confusion was that I wanted a body slide and he said that all the ladies did it. Kept pushing me onto the girl that spoke to me, saying that she did body slides too. Took late I already set my sight on 39. Pointed to her, paid at the counter and took the elevator up to the 3rd floor.Number 39 is about 5'1" and petite. Beautiful face and great complexion. Just got to BKK 4 months ago, from Issan. Told her I stayed at a hotel by Nana, she had no idea where anything was. I loved it. Get them while they are still sweet and innocent. By the way her name is Wan, means sweet in Thai.22 yrs old and divorced, no kids but semi tight so who knows.Killed the first 20 mins with a 40 bht bottle of singha water and a body scrub in the huge tub. The place is not the best but it was good enough for 2K.Cleaned up, went to the bed and she started with a HJ. She has really small and soft hands, probably never done hard labor before in her life. Read some reports that the girls only give CBJ but this girl after playing around with her for a while, guess she was comfortable enough to do BBBJ. I never force anyone to do anything they don't want tot do. Being a nice guy can get you more out of the ladies.My confession is that I just beat off to a Japanese porn about 3 hours earlier so I knew I was going to take up the whole 2 hours with this girl. Slapped on the rubber and pretty much every positions out there. At one point, I had her at the end of the bed for both mish and doggie. She applied KY to her koochie several times. Felt kinda bad for her being so small. But never at anyone did she complaint and wanted to stop, just changed position so she wouldn't hurt as much. Apparently she's only been with Asian men. I'm Asian but corn bred in the US so little brother is not so little. Trust me we wasted 1. 5 hours before I shot my load, had green tea at the foot massage shop so that helped alot. For the last 30, we just cuddled but I told her to give me a HJ and BJ just to kill the last few mins. Didn't come and didn't want to stick it in her. Poor kid fell asleep for about 15 mins. Tipped her 150 bht since she was a trooper. Took a few pictures but promised her I will take out her face. Don't think she even know about the internet cuz she didn't mind I snapped a few pics of her face. Guys this girl is gorgeous and wan/sweet. Treat her like a lady if you picked number 39. Only got 2 days left in BKK before going to HK so I'm thinking skipping Tulip and coming back to Nataree. Might have to check out the models next time though. Anyone willing to share their favs at Nataree?EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Mauldid]

Ms. Wan. She is sweet. Amazing natural body!

[Bigstud]

Mauldid,Nataree is one of my favorite places to find sweet young things! Seems like you certainly found one, but Baht 150 tip? Come on, be more generous!

[M P Lurker]

Hi,I'm looking for a soapy girl good at french kissing and sex.I've only met few girls who do it, but most of the massage girls don't like it. I normally go to Nataree, Poeseidon, Angels. Any girls to recommend?Look you will have to read through numerous past posts.I almost always give a score for girl's kissing ability or comment if she doesn't kiss at all.e.g. Yok at Emmanualle doesn't kiss the mouth, but is still good at other things, but probably at least 70% of soapy girls I have selected do french kiss.Its forgiveable if girls don't kiss as some of them catch viruses very easily and would not be able to work much.Actually the mouth is the worst part of the body for catching viruses. Kissing the lower regions is much less likely to cause sickness.Some girls will be very selective who they kiss and others will start out not kissing but change (lose control) in the heat of sexual arousal.

[M P Lurker]

Of course.I always book 1 hour, never have a massage and start the "special" immediately. If the girl is very responsive and fun then I usually extend for an extra 30 or 60 minutes. The cost is exactly the same either way.Did you ever have the problem where extension was refused due to another booking? This has happened to me at a Soapy on occasions.For Oily, I would start at 90 mins (getting too old) and extend if necessary. If she was so bad that I didn't want to use the full 90, then too bad, I would blow a few Baht

[NicFrenchy]

Tipped her 150 bht since she was a trooper.Wow that's overly generous, I sure hope all the girls will not expect these hefty tips from now on.The sad thing is that I am sure she tipped the maid 50thb out of her 150thb.