Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES! [Archive] - Page 32

Paul Kausch

04-23-13, 10:58

Erm, as I recall the generally agreed upon mongering definitions are:

GFE = BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG.Bravo! Such an elegant definition of GFE. Generally agreed upon? Yah right. By whom?

Google GFE and this is typical of what you will find.

"The girlfriend experience (commonly known as GFE) is a type of service a female sex worker offers which includes acting like a girlfriend to the client. GFE includes french kissing, hugging, talking, and eating a meal together."

"The "girlfriend experience" generally involves more personal interaction than a traditional call girl or escort offers; it varies widely from person to person, however, here is a focus on not just having sex, but also having more of a comprehensive experience."

The modern high end escort who offers a true GFE takes her inspiration from the cortigiana onesta. As I've described in other posts, these women were worldly and well-educated. They had exceptional social and conversational skills, intelligence, common-sense, great beauty and a mastery of sexual techniques. Unlike common prostitutes, they offered much more than just sex.

It's stupid and silly to define an experience like a GFE with a list of sex acts. The whole point of a GFE is what happens in addition to the sex, and the skill with which these augmenting experiences are offered. Buy a GFE from one of the MPs, then book a date with a real high end escort who offers a true GFE. You'll see. The difference will be patently obvious to you, unless you're dimwitted or socially retarded. Unfortunately, in Bangkok most girls who bill themselves as escorts are really MP girls being sold at an inflated price. Worldwide, most escorts are just average, because most people are just average. You've got to know which escorts are exceptional; you also have to be prepared to pay what they charge. These exceptional ladies don't come cheap. Oh, and unless you're already a client, they will screen you. And there's a possibility they'll turn you down because they're picky and have more potential clients than they care to see.

Crazy4Thai

04-23-13, 11:56

Chipping in on the GFE issue.

GFE is not purely a service matter, it's a matter of chemistry between a girl and a punter.

For the customer, GFE involves what movie critics call a "willing suspension of disbelief". It is perfectly clear to everyone but a complete idiot that he's paying for it, and that he wouldn't shag a genuine GF (20 years younger) within 10 minutes of meeting her. However, the punter can still feel like he's in a brief relationship with a girl who is glad to be there and happy to be shagging him. Like watching a movie, it's obviously not real, but we still get into the story (except for the ultra-cynical ones).

GFE may be difficult to define, but it's painfully easy to spot the opposite. When the girl makes it obvious that she hates being there, is just renting a hole for a specific act and would much rather just grab your money and be out ASAP.

The girl can try to provide the GFE along by acting as if she's happy to be there with the punter. But it's not a set of specific sexual acts. It's ultimately up to the punter to judge a GFE. Exact same behavior can be GFE for one bloke, but "fine effort, but so fake" for another.

Whether service is GFE can depend on the girls and punter's mood. For instance, with Ploy from Snow White a few times, once it was GFE, the other time it was not. And I don't think she was failing to make an effort that second time (probably provided _more_ in terms of physical service) , but was probably just tired, and so was I.IMO you've nailed it. I also believe that EZ is using the expression as a marketing tool. No harm in that and I thought it was clever of them to publish a list in the not too distant past of what employee offered what service. If they posted such a list here once a month or so I think that would be a service to us and increase their business. I've been a customer of Mango, Tulips and Snow White but not yet EZ. Might do.

Crocodilexp

04-23-13, 12:44

EZ Massage and many other MP's, soapies, etc, advertise GFE. They are the ones who are saying it. They are referring to their services. It is pretty simple I think.

So I asked, what is their GFE? Don't you want to know?I think all the claim means is that the girls make an effort to act as if they're pleased to be with the customer. The GFE/chemistry is, of course, never guaranteed. However, most sex workers tend not to make that effort (virtually all outside of SE Asia, and increasingly many in Thailand, unfortunately)... and it's a meaningful claim to say they'll try.

On a related note, does EZ Massage offer multiple pops? How much do they charge? Is anal on the menu?

Paul Kausch

04-23-13, 13:55

So all I wanted to know is what those GFE services are.

But really, I don't give a shit because I have no interest in EZ.
Why is that? Have you been disappointed? I think the girls look great in the pics at their website.
They offer what the people is asking for. As GFE can be different from guy to guy, and I agree it has a lot to do with the chemistry and this cannot be anticipated in a menu list, they will nto describe it.
IMO you've nailed it. I also believe that EZ is using the expression as a marketing tool. No harm in that and I thought it was clever of them to publish a list in the not too distant past of what employee offered what service. If they posted such a list here once a month or so I think that would be a service to us and increase their business. I've been a customer of Mango, Tulips and Snow White but not yet EZ. Might do.I don't believe you're going to get a true GFE at an MP, unless you've had the girl a few times, such as on an extended outcall, giving you an opportunity to develop a bit of a relationship with her. I just don't see how a typical MP girl seeing several clients a day can pull it off in the MP over the course of one massage session. The high end escorts who offer a true GFE never do incall, well a few might entertain a very good client whom they've seen for years in their residence. And they only see a few clients a month. They may turn you down if you want to book them for two hours on the first date. They're smarter than that. They want at least a four hour lunch or dinner date followed by a romp in your 5-star hotel room. While they may offer a two hour "let's get to know each other" session if they have too many open days, generally when a new guy requests a two hour date that immediately tells her you're either cheap or can't really afford her. She wants enough time to cast her spell on you; and as you'll be the only client she'll see that day, she want to milk you for at least a four hour fee. Remember, she's trying to cultivate a small number of generous men with considerable means as regular clients.

I think it's pretty clear what EZ is doing. As they don't claim to be providing a PSE like you can find at Tullip, Mango, SW or Cherry, they have to come up with some catch all term to label their services. GFE is all that is left. So I think all they are telling you is don't come to us looking for raunchy hardcore sex. Our girls don't do that!

Now, the staff person who occasionally posts on ISG has stated which girls offer a-level and has recommended certain girls as top performers. But don't forget restaurants have daily specials, which are only special in the sense that the main ingredients are at the very end of their shelf life. Take the recommendations with a grain of salt. But hey, this is a sex forum. Guess what? There are a few reviews of EZ girls on ISG, and some of the girls get pretty good reviews (for example, Donut, Miki, Pinky, Yaya and Aida). However, be aware: I think we would all agree that by any definition, GFE includes reasonably enthusiastic DFK; however, according to some of the reviews not all the EZ girls are eager to offer this service. But don't expect to get a real GFE, after all it's only a massage parlor.

Paul Kausch

04-23-13, 14:03

does EZ Massage offer multiple pops? How much do they charge? Is anal on the menu?Generally the girls only offer one pop, though promising a nice tip may coax her into going another round with you. I believe they charge THB2400 for 2 hours, paid upfront. The girls expect a tip of THB500 on top of that. Last I heard Cindy, Nicky, Lily, Honey, Game, May and Boom offer a-level, though I believe they want extra for it, and it's not always on the menu. I guess they want to size you up first, so to speak.

Linkwray666

04-23-13, 20:28

Bravo! Such an elegant definition of GFE. Generally agreed upon? Yah right. By whom?Mongers? Sex workers who advertise GFE? I certainly didn't make this stuff up, I found it by researching the meaning of the term GFE after reading it on the internet. Before I looked it up my assumption was GFE meant the flowery romantic thing you believe it means.

If YOU Google "GFE" and dig a little deeper than the one quote you provided you will find lists of sexual terms and abbreviations and their definitions, typically GFE is described as INCLUDING "DATY, dfk, BBBJ, msog"

Here are a couple of examples to get you started:

http://www.sexwork.com/subcontents/abbreviations.html

http://www.sexyescortads.com/forum/view_topic/27656/

(a funny quote from the escort on this page considering our current conversation,"I offer both GFE and PSE service. I am always stumped when I have to explain it")

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_gfe_cbj_meant&altQ=What_GFE_means

http://blog.sherisranch.com********topic/gfe/

(quote from this page "GFE. Including intimate conversation or talking dirty, deep French kissing, bare-back fellatio, uncovered cunnilingus and approximately one hour duration". Is that ELEGANT enough for you?)

http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/DCForumID15/2.html

If I pay a sex worker for GFE and do am not allowed DFK, BBBJ, MSOG, and DATY I would say I did not receive GFE, no matter how much she batted her eyelashes, told me she loved me, held my hand, cooked me dinner, etc. I am paying for I have had quite a few honest to goodness girlfriends in my 50 years of living and have never had a girlfriend who would not allow DFK, BBBJ, MSOG, and DATY. How about you?

Google GFE and this is typical of what you will find.

The modern high end escort who offers a true GFE takes her inspiration from the cortigiana onesta.We are not talking about "modern high end escorts" here, we are talking about spending and hour with a girl in a massage parlor.

It's stupid and silly to define an experience like a GFE with a list of sex acts.If I am paying for sex I expect to get sex. If you object to the mongering community's use of the term GFE to define a list of sex acts I understand and sympathize, if it is really a problem for you I recommend you coin your own term and abbreviation for a paid sexual act involving DFK, BBBJ, MSOG, and DATY and popularize the term in the sex worker and mongering communities. I wish you all the luck in the world in changing the common parlance but you must realize it will be an uphill battle.

Perhaps it would be easier to coin and popularize a term for the flowery romantic "cortigiana onesta" thing you are calling GFE. COE = Cortigiana Onesta Experience, there you go, run with it!

The whole point of a GFE is what happens in addition to the sex, and the skill with which these augmenting experiences are offered.For you. For me (and according to Google the vast majority of mongers and providers) EZ Massage or any other provider advertising GFE means patrons will be enjoying, at a minimum, DFK, BBBJ, MSOG, and DATY. The flowery stuff is nice, but not necessary to fulfill the promise of Massage Parlor IMHO.

book a date with a real high end escort who offers a true GFE.No thank you.

Unfortunately, in Bangkok most girls who bill themselves as escorts are really MP girls being sold at an inflated price. Worldwide, most escorts are just average, because most people are just average. You've got to know which escorts are exceptional; you also have to be prepared to pay what they charge. These exceptional ladies don't come cheap. Oh, and unless you're already a client, they will screen you. And there's a possibility they'll turn you down because they're picky and have more potential clients than they care to see.I get it. Expensive call girls are way better than Bangkok massage parlor girls. Thanks for the info.

It's stupid and silly to define an experience like a GFE with a list of sex acts.

Unless you're dimwitted or socially retarded.Damn, why so antagonistic? You win, GFE now means whatever YOU want it to mean. I will alert the rest of the Internet.

Luvpuss

04-24-13, 02:02

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Luvpuss

04-24-13, 02:03

Member #4698

04-24-13, 02:52

There are a few reviews of EZ girls on ISG, and some of the girls get pretty good reviews (for example, Donut, Miki, Pinky, Yaya and Aida). However, be aware: I think we would all agree that by any definition, GFE includes reasonably enthusiastic DFK; however, according to some of the reviews not all the EZ girls are eager to offer this service. But don't expect to get a real GFE, after all it's only a massage parlor.I stopped by EZ for the 1st time a few weeks ago when I was in BKK. I had a "friendly" session with Candy. The vibe was good and so was the sex. No PSE for sure, just a good old fashioned oily shag that included soapy shower, BBBJ, a very brief rim job, DFK, and sex in a couple of positions with an attractive 23 year old girl. Candy looks pretty good in person. She has a nice smile despite her braces and firm "C-cup" natural breasts. She is from Chiang Mai and of Chinese-Thai origin. Her internet pictures are photo-shopped, but still relatively accurate. I believe a GFE relationship with her was offered and available; all I had to do was book her for an outcall a couple times. Fortunately or unfortunately for me, depending on my variable point of view, I had so many, too many other sexy girls to get it on with, that I never made it back to EZ and Candy to develop that particular GFE. Maybe I will stop by EZ next time I am in town and renew the acquaintance. She is a real sweet girl and I think EZ is a good oily massage parlor. I give the place two thumbs up. Note: I think outcall is the way to go once you know which girl(s) you want.

Luvpuss

04-24-13, 04:36

Paul Kausch

04-24-13, 04:40

I stopped by EZ for the 1st time a few weeks ago when I was in BKK. I had a "friendly" session with Candy. The vibe was good and so was the sex. No PSE for sure, just a good old fashioned oily shag that included soapy shower, BBBJ, a very brief rim job, DFK, and sex in a couple of positions with an attractive 23 year old girl. Candy looks pretty good in person. She has a nice smile despite her braces and firm "C-cup" natural breasts. She is from Chiang Mai and of Chinese-Thai origin. Her internet pictures are photo-shopped, but still relatively accurate. I believe a GFE relationship with her was offered and available; all I had to do was book her for an outcall a couple times. Fortunately or unfortunately for me, depending on my variable point of view, I had so many, too many other sexy girls to get it on with, that I never made it back to EZ and Candy to develop that particular GFE. Maybe I will stop by EZ next time I am in town and renew the acquaintance. She is a real sweet girl and I think EZ is a good oily massage parlor. I give the place two thumbs up. Note: I think outcall is the way to go once you know which girl(s) you want.I've wondered why EZ doesn't generate more reports. Generally, the posts on this thread give its ladies good reviews. You write that the ladies don't give a PSE, but as far as I'm concerned, the services you received, capably delivered by an attractive young lady would certainly leave me satisfied, unless I was in the mood for a wild fuck with a girl who knew how to get really raunchy.

I seem to recall a while back some ISG members were upset that EZ was charging the establishment's fee upfront. Did this happen to you? How much did you tip Candy? Your description of the session with Candy encourages me to look her up on my next trip. She's nice looking on the website, but even the EZ guy who occasionally posts on this thread admits many of the photos look nothing like the girls. I also notice she speaks some Chinese, not too surprising considering her background and where she's from.

I think you're absolutely right about outcall; and several other ISG members have made similar statements. Sometimes I just like to walk into an MP, pick a girl, go to the room and have fun. If I like the girl I'll book her on outcall a few days latter. I've never booked outcall with a girl sight unseen. I notice as soon as I answer the knock on my door and the girl recognizes me she's usually quite pleased, and it's certainly not because I'm young and handsome because I'm not. It's not surprising that the girls like to get out of the shop and see a client in a nice hotel room. I always offer the girl a little something to eat, a beverage and encourage her to relax and enjoy herself. As she's in my room I treat her like my guest. Even if she turns down the offers, she seems to appreciate the gesture. My experience is that in the privacy of my room the girls are more affectionate and put forth a little extra effort.

EZmassageBKK

04-24-13, 18:03

Hi paul, thanks for answering on our behalf however, I want to point out that not all ladies expect additional tip of 500 baht on top of the standard fees. It is totally voluntary basis if you want to give tip and also at any amount you want.

Personally I myself don't give tips when I go to P4P if the price is all inclusive but if you are very happy with the girl service then why not.

We had customers who do not give tip (perfectly fine since they already paid all inclusive) and also had customers who gave 10, 000 baht tip!

DesiDownUnder

04-25-13, 01:42

Eden specialises in 2 lady massage but they have mixed reviews. Any other places where I can get the same service?

Paul Kausch

04-25-13, 03:13

Eden specialises in 2 lady massage but they have mixed reviews. Any other places where I can get the same service?All the MPs offer 2 lady massages, but don't expect the lesbian action and ability to satisfy unusual prurient interests and special appetites like you will find at Eden.

Generally, if you book two ladies at an MP the most you'll get is them working on you as a team and letting you have your way with each of them one at a time with the other girl gives you some added attention. If you're looking for lesbian action or you and one of the girls working on the other girl, such as a guy and girl with strapon DPing the other girl, you're highly unlikely to get this at one of the MPs.

You could book two escorts and get this kind of threesomes action, but make it very clear you want genuine lesbian action when you make the booking. The problem is the escorts will be much more expensive than Eden. If you're looking for this kind of action and don't mind paying for it send me a PM and I'll give you the name of two escorts. I guarantee you they are very good looking and really know what they are doing. Because of the cost, I'm not necessarily recommending this option, but it will cost a lot less in Bangkok than other major cities.

My advice, pay Eden a visit and size it up for yourself.

The criticisms of Eden tends to be the physical appearance of the ladies and that the ladies follow a script. As it sounds like this will be your first visit the script will be new to you; and you can just look at the ladies and decide if their looks suit you. Go in, buy a drink, look the ladies over, talk to the manager and decide for yourself. Thank them for the drink and walk out if you don't like what you see. If you decide to use Eden's services the general advice is for you to pick one girl and let her pick the second girl. This ensures the two girls are comfortable working together.

One more option, if you're looking for exotic experiences, might be BarBar in Patpong.

http://barbarfetishclub.com/

It's a fetish bar with mistresses and slaves, and you and your lady or ladies of choice get to be part of the show for whomever is there to watch.

Zenlove

04-25-13, 05:05

Eden specialises in 2 lady massage but they have mixed reviews. Any other places where I can get the same service?Go to Tulip, Mango, Cherry, Annie's, Snow white etc and you can experience great service from 2 or more ladies. Ask the mamasan when you select the girls if they work well with each other.

Linkwray666

04-25-13, 06:17

Eden specialises in 2 lady massage but they have mixed reviews. Any other places where I can get the same service?Devil's Den in Pattaya has service similar to Eden and has pics and customer reviews on their site, lots of info on other forums about DD:

http://www.devilsdenthailand.com/profiles.html

Other than that you could try to get gogo or freelancers to do a threesome, likely with mixed results. I have read you can get good threesome action at some massage places, Apple at Cherry massage + her choice of a second girl is supposed to be a nice option. Have not tried her myself but plan to in May.

The added bonus at Eden and Devil's Den is that the girls bring their own sex toys and strap-ons and do the girl-on-girl p*why-eating bit without any prompting on your part. You will likely have to direct the action if you are looking for this kind of girl / girl interaction anywhere else, finding girls who work well together in a fully interactive porn-style threeway outside of Eden or Devil's Den is always a crapshoot in my experience but it is great when it happens. I wish you luck.

I have experienced plenty of threesomes where girls do not play with each other, not as much fun IMO.

The main complaints about Eden tend to be in regard to the prices and the looks of the girls, the price per girl at the moment is almost exactly the same as the prices at Tulip / Snow White / Mango / Cherry etc, I can't vouch for the looks of the current lineup as I haven't been there for a few years. I suspect if you go at the right time of day you will find at least a few you are attracted to.

I haven't seen many complaints about the service levels other than the terms "mechanical" or "scripted" thrown about but these girls are trained to give full by-the-book PSE so of course it will be "scripted", something like starring in your own porn film with well trained and well directed actresses. I found with the girls I chose I could direct the action and the ladies were happy to do whatever I asked, just ask the papa if you have specific requests or fantasies and he will match you up with the right girls.

I recommend giving Eden a shot, go early around 1PM, have a beer and take a look at the lineup. You have nothing to lose. If you don't see anyone do-able move on, if you see a couple of girls you think are cute I think you will have a very nice time there, I know I did.

And please report here with the names of the girls you see if you do go, there has not been much info on Eden's current girls in this forum.

Paul Kausch

04-25-13, 10:20

Mongers? Sex workers who advertise GFE? I certainly didn't make this stuff up, I found it by researching the meaning of the term GFE after reading it on the internet. Before I looked it up my assumption was GFE meant the flowery romantic thing you believe it means.

If YOU Google "GFE" and dig a little deeper than the one quote you provided you will find lists of sexual terms and abbreviations and their definitions, typically GFE is described as INCLUDING "DATY, dfk, BBBJ, msog"I found variations of this definition on the first several hits I got when I put GFE in Google. True the articles went on to list specific sexual acts, but these are in addition to the basic definition. My point is that a BJ, DFK and a fuck do not necessarily constitute a GFE. It's the way these things are done and the context in which they are delivered.

If I pay a sex worker for GFE and do am not allowed DFK, BBBJ, MSOG, and DATY I would say I did not receive GFE, no matter how much she batted her eyelashes, told me she loved me, held my hand, cooked me dinner, etc. I am paying for I have had quite a few honest to goodness girlfriends in my 50 years of living and have never had a girlfriend who would not allow DFK, BBBJ, MSOG, and DATY. How about you?I agree with you. I expect those services. I don't expect and have never had a SW tell me she loved me or had her bat her eyes at me. I wouldn't knowingly book an escort stupid enough to act that way. I can't recall ever running across a website where the woman claimed to provide a GFE and didn't provide all those services. Like you my ex-wife and all my girlfriends enjoyed DFK, BBBJ, CIM, MSOG and DATY. These are necessary for me to have a long term relationship with a woman. My ex and one of the former girlfriends were also a-level. But I've had friends whose wives and girlfriends would not give a BJ or let the guy perform DATY on them. Escort commonly report that the guys who pay top dollar to get a true GFE from them are looking for something they don't get in their marriages.

if it is really a problem for you I recommend you coin your own term and abbreviationNo problem. I don't take this forum seriously. As far as this forum is concerned, I don't take myself seriously. It's a fucking sex forum. I'm just having fun expressing my opinions. I enjoy arguing over the silly, meaningless topics we report on. The only time I'm serious is when I run across a post or get a PM from someone looking for information. Then I try my best to be helpful.

I get it. Expensive call girls are way better than Bangkok massage parlor girls. Thanks for the info.You seem like a smart guy who knows what he's talking about so I'm not surprised you find this obvious. Funny thing, read this forum and you'll find plenty of guys who get furious when I suggest expensive escorts are expensive because they're prettier and provide better services. I tend to harp on the subject precisely because they get so upset. They're entitled to their opinions, but as you point out they are obviously wrong. Your support is deeply appreciated.

Damn, why so antagonistic?Hey, I'm sorry if I upset you, and I'm serious. In one of my first posts I tried to make it clear I get a kick out the attacks on my posts and took no offense, even if it was intended. In another early post I also explicitly stated that I'm just having fun and feel no malice when I make a provocative post. Of course the problem is it's unlikely anyone remembers these posts, even in the unlikely event they read the post. I think of it as being like a little trash talk among friends during a pickup game of hoops. Not that I'd want any of the dirty sex mongers on this forum as a friend. I'm kidding, I'm kidding!

Paul Kausch

04-25-13, 10:35

I want to point out that not all ladies expect additional tip of 500 baht on top of the standard fees. It is totally voluntary basis if you want to give tip and also at any amount you want.

Personally I myself don't give tips when I go to P4P if the price is all inclusive but if you are very happy with the girl service then why not.

We had customers who do not give tip (perfectly fine since they already paid all inclusive) and also had customers who gave 10, 000 baht tip!I wouldn't tip bad service. And I am aware that most Thais do not assume a tip, an attitude that I find very refreshing. However, I'm from the United States where some industries pay very poorly so everyone in the industry expects a good tip for bad service and a fantastic tip for average service. I was implying that if the guy is happy with the girl's service in my opinion a tip of THB500 is appropriate; and exceptional service would warrant a more generous tip. The customary size of tips vary from country to country. It's always helpful to know the local practices.

Akumas

04-25-13, 12:13

Go to Tulip, Mango, Cherry, Annie's, Snow white etc and you can experience great service from 2 or more ladies. Ask the mamasan when you select the girls if they work well with each other.Go to Cherry and see if Vodka takes your fancy. She was more than wiling to please, ask her to choose another girl and report back here.

Lmrzccgs3

04-25-13, 17:24

Go to Cherry and see if Vodka takes your fancy. She was more than wiling to please, ask her to choose another girl and report back here.Go to Cherry massage and take Apple and Ice together.

That is what I am planing to do 10 days later.

Rgrds

IAmRamesh86

04-25-13, 17:59

Thank you all for providing such wonderful info. I bet these info is hard to find on google. Thank you all for providing links. I'm visiting Bangkok by the end of this month.

Thanks a lot for all the tips! I love ISG!

Luvpuss

04-25-13, 19:03

Am I the only one who associates GFE with actually liking the girl, not what sex acts they perform. Shooting cum in a girls eye would then contitute GFE. Ludicrous!Everyone has their own opinion on this.

This is the Wiktionary definiton: a sexual encounter with a prostitute where she provides a lot of cuddling, kissing, and more intimate versions of certain acts.

It is pretty simple for me. The above is what I would consider a GFE.

I am not looking for a GF. But it is the sexual encounter with sexual acts where she acts like your GF.

In reality for me, many of the SW and MP, and FL's I meet are really GFE+, because they do many sexual acts that please me. But you have to know how to pick them.

Just to respond you comment Harold. If I spend 1/2 hour with a girl. She is decent looking, smiles, will do anything sexually you ask, performs with energy, passion, and w / o complaints. A nice GFE in my opinion. Yes, I like her. For that 30 minutes she fucked me silly and made me happy, I like her alot.

Call me shallow I guess. It sure works great for me though.

Linkwray666

04-25-13, 20:03

Am I the only one who associates GFE with actually liking the girl, not what sex acts they performYou are not the only one but you seem to be in the minority. I think there might be less confusion on this if everyone adopted the term Paul K keeps using,"True GFE", or "TGFE" to refer to the all-in-your-head fairytale fantasy experience and continued to use GFE the way is has been used by sex workers and mongers for years to describe a list of sex acts performed with a smile.

Shooting cum in a girls eye would then contitute GFE.WRONG! Shooting cum in a girls eye is clearly PSE!

Paul Kausch

04-25-13, 20:18

am i the only one who associates gfe with actually liking the girl, not what sex acts they perform. shooting cum in a girls eye would then contitute gfe. ludicrous!personally, i think it is normal to like the girl you're having sex with; and the girls who offer a good gfe are very endearing and all too easy to like a bit too much. i think the key is to remember it's only business.

i also think guys who have sex with women they don't like have emotional problems. [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) is not a sex act, it's a violent assault of a woman. a deep seated anger towards women is the motivation. i wonder if the guys who treat the women they fuck aggressively and for example enjoy performing rough anal on a girl who is in obvious pain are not too far removed from the [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127). sure some people are into sm, but that is a totally different matter.

Member #4698

04-25-13, 20:19

it is the sexual encounter with sexual acts where she acts like your GF.

In reality for me, many of the SW and MP, and FL's I meet are really GFE+, because they do many sexual acts that please me. But you have to know how to pick them.I would only add to your definition that for the session to qualify as a GFE, the sexual act (s) must be performed with enthusiasm and passion. Lacking passion, a shag can still be very good if the girl really knows how to shag and has a great little pussy. I would consider that more a PSE and there is nothing wrong IMHO with just great sex. I get a lot of that PSE in Macau Saunas and I sure pay up for it. I am talking about fire and ice bbbj's, anal rims, cat licking, and pussy muscle contractions around my dick. In other words, wild sex with expertly trained beautiful Chinese sauna girls. I love Macau. But only a few times in the saunas did I feel I was getting through to the girl and turning her on. Those times were memorable. So to me, the GFE is an experience or performance only if it convinces me, the consumer or customer, it is real I. E. the girl is enjoying the sex as much as or almost as much as I am. It does not matter if she is faking it as long as I am convinced or almost convinced it is real. I say kudos to good acting and I have known some great actresses over the years. But sometimes it is not acting and the girl is really getting off on it. That is when things get really interesting. And when I find girls like that, capable of really getting into it and enjoying the sex, and there are a lot of them out there in LOS, the PI, and Indonesia, who are also very attractive (7* and above) with good personalities, then I will look forward to seeing her again and again. Why not? It is a commercial relationship for sure, but it is also a GFE relationship too.

Take my little Baccara Go Go GF that I have been shagging for 4. 5 years now. I always use the qualifier "Go Go" girlfriend when I refer to her, not just girlfriend. There is a difference and I know it. At the end of the night, I pay her and she leaves. Thank Buddha. And what does my "Go Go" girlfriend think of me? Well who knows for sure, but I would say she considers me somewhere in between one of her best long time customers and her 'American' boyfriend. Again note the qualifier: 'American' BF as opposed to just BF. In any case it is a win win for both of us because it is based on mutually satisfying, very passionate sex, (the GFE thing) and money.

"BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO PICK THEM" and cultivate them, especially in Go Go's and bars. Damn straight LP!

Paul Kausch

04-25-13, 21:27

Everyone has their own opinion on this.

This is the Wiktionary definiton: a sexual encounter with a prostitute where she provides a lot of cuddling, kissing, and more intimate versions of certain acts.

It is pretty simple for me. The above is what I would consider a GFE.

Call me shallow I guess. It sure works great for me though.I don't think you're the least bit shallow. Not that my opinions matter. I think this definition or some variation on it perfectly captures a GFE.

My posts on this topic were intended to be read with more than a little amusement.

How humans understand words is a fundamental part of philosophical inquiries into the nature of human knowledge, which is very relevant to fields like cognitive science and the creation of intelligent artificial systems. When I saw posts on what constitutes a GFE it struck me as funny that it is a perfect example of a problem in the philosophy of mind and language. For example, how would you define a table? A flat top with four legs that people eat off of? There are lots of tables that don't fit this definition, or any definition of what is a table. Yet we all know what a table is. So what is a GFE? The best we can do is what you are saying, which I think we all agree hits the nail on the head. And we all expect enthusiastic DFK, a BJ preferably uncovered, some DATY and a passionate fuck in several positions followed by some cuddling and kissing.

The problem is I think it's difficult to walk into an MP and get a good GFE the first time you're with a girl. She doesn't know you. She may have had a bad experience with a previous client. She's recently had too many clients and has lost her enthusiasm. She has a hangover from the night before. A few sessions with the same girl is another matter. Now she knows you and thinks of you as one of her good clients. SW have told me they genuinely enjoy being with their good clients, which makes it much easier for them to give these guys there best service.

I envy you guys who are able to spend a lot of time in Bangkok. You can sample the variety and cultivate a few honeys who are happy to once again see one of their favorite clients. You have the best of both worlds.

I thought I was obviously being silly to frame the meaning of a GFE within the framework Kant used in his Critique of Pure Reason, and then to make a vague illusion to Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus And his posthumous Philosophical Investigations. Sometimes you need to let everyone else in on the joke otherwise there is no joke. My mistake.

I read this forum with a combination of amusement and interest. As I said in my previous post, sometimes I have fun with a little trash talk, and when I do I invite all of you to try to stuff one of my attempts at a dunk into my face. That's part of what makes the game fun.

Paul Kausch

04-25-13, 22:05

Some time ago a member posted that when Cherry was still working at Mango she told him Cream would be a good choice for double girl action. Though the post didn't mention with whom. In my Mango data base I also find this review of Cream: "Cream is actually quite a cute girl. From Central Thailand, not from Isaan, hence the nice face. She has one kid, but no damage from it, a big fake rack, and a nice easy going attitude. Performance is not superstar quality, but she is accommodating. Her CG is quite good." Another member posted the following after reading this review: "Wow, I totally wouldn't have guessed about the kid or fake tits based on my one session with her."

My only advice is if you're looking for some lesbian action, make this clear and verify that the girls are into this. I've been in threesomes where the lesbian action was almost none existent; only to do another threesome with one of the girls and a a different second girl and the lesbian action was fantastic. And both of these girls swore they were strictly hetero and had no interest in the lesbian stuff unless a guy was with them.

But, if you just want two girls working you over these guys know what they're talking about, you can get this at any of the MPs mentioned below.

When Eden was at its best it was famous for the lesbian action and ability to satisfy most fetishes know to men and mongers. The French guy who owned the place took pride in his ability to satisfy any man's deepest desires. I think I read somewhere he had serious health problems, the place suffered and then really went down hill when he died. In it's hay days, Tulip was also a good place to find some of this action. Haven't been there for quite some time, but I guess it still is, though the quality of the ladies is not what it once was. I'm not aware any of the other MPs have a reputation for hard core lesbian action and catering to fetishes.

Go to Cherry and see if Vodka takes your fancy. She was more than wiling to please, ask her to choose another girl and report back here.
Go to Cherry massage and take Apple and Ice together.

That is what I am planing to do 10 days later.

Rgrds
Go to Tulip, Mango, Cherry, Annie's, Snow white etc and you can experience great service from 2 or more ladies. Ask the mamasan when you select the girls if they work well with each other.
Eden specialises in 2 lady massage but they have mixed reviews. Any other places where I can get the same service?

Goatscrot

04-26-13, 02:34

I would only add to your definition that for the session to qualify as a GFE, the sexual act (s) must be performed with enthusiasm and passion. Lacking passion, a shag can still be very good if the girl really knows how to shag and has a great little pussy. I would consider that more a PSE and there is nothing wrong IMHO with just great sex. I get a lot of that PSE in Macau Saunas and I sure pay up for it. I am talking about fire and ice bbbj's, anal rims, cat licking, and pussy muscle contractions around my dick. In other words, wild sex with expertly trained beautiful Chinese sauna girls. I love Macau.I would love to find a place in BKK where the gals are trained as such. In my many years here; I never have. Seems there is very little emphasis placed on training, even in the oilies.

Goatscrot

04-26-13, 02:36

Go to Cherry massage and take Apple and Ice together.

That is what I am planing to do 10 days later.

RgrdsIce is not working there anymore.

Luvpuss

04-26-13, 02:47

I would love to find a place in BKK where the gals are trained as such. In my many years here; I never have. Seems there is very little emphasis placed on training, even in the oilies.You are serious?

If true, I am very sorry to hear about that. But I don't understand?

I have gotten this service from many girls in BKK, but more so in Pattaya. Even from SW's for 500 B in Pats.

But if you go to the commercial oilies and soapies, isn't this standard service? What about Tulip's? I always get that service there.

Sorry to hear what you say.

Zenlove

04-26-13, 06:54

I would love to find a place in BKK where the gals are trained as such. In my many years here; I never have. Seems there is very little emphasis placed on training, even in the oilies.Visit Tulip and tell the Manager your preference. Most of the girls here have over 5 years experience and excel in body to body, rimming, cat bath and ass fucking. You will not be disappointed. Also the girls accommodate more than 2 pops and are very friendly by nature. I have been a regular here for the past 3 years and never came out disappointed. Ask for Goff, Dao, Opor, Pim. View or JoJo. Let me know how it went. Cat was a superstar before but is on sponsorship by a Kiwi and no longer works there. I heard Dao is also out with her Jap sponsor on weekends.

Z

Goatscrot

04-26-13, 11:11

You are serious?

If true, I am very sorry to hear about that. But I don't understand?

I have gotten this service from many girls in BKK, but more so in Pattaya. Even from SW's for 500 B in Pats.

But if you go to the commercial oilies and soapies, isn't this standard service? What about Tulip's? I always get that service there.

Sorry to hear what you say.Nah, I don't think you have gotten the same service as one gets in Macau. The girls are very well trained. In the oilies some of the girls are pretty good performers, but as far as trained as to sensitive spots on the man, how to take a man almost to orgasm and then back him down several times, how to do a proper fire and ice, nah, not seen it, and I have been with lots of oily girls. Most of them learn by trial and error with a little coaching from a mentor. As far as learning from a master, nope. Sure gals in Tulip are fun and will rim, provide A-level, ect, but I find most all of them lacking in true sensuality. There have been a few that almost hit the mark. 500 baht street gal in Pattaya? That is like saying a bottle of Two Buck Chuck is the same as a Grand Cru!

Dave Carrera

04-26-13, 14:50

My buddies and I had a party staffed by Cherry's massage. We ordered outcall with Apple, Nadia, Ploy, Su, and Candy. Out of respect for the ladies, I won't go into details except to say that they were amazing (Apple is truly the most sexual human I have ever met). It was an impromptu bachelor party, and my single only complaint was that we only had 3 hours before we had to leave for the airport. If you have the opportunity to do so, I STRONGLY recommend Cherrys and these ladies.

Total damage was about $200 a lady for the 3 hours. Before any of you think we overpaid, trust me when I say it was the best mongering experience in our lives.

DesiDownUnder

04-26-13, 19:39

Thanks for your inputs guys. I think I will give eden a shot. I would love to enjoy some girl on girl action. Will report back early June.

Some time ago a member posted that when Cherry was still working at Mango she told him Cream would be a good choice for double girl action. Though the post didn't mention with whom. In my Mango data base I also find this review of Cream: "Cream is actually quite a cute girl. From Central Thailand, not from Isaan, hence the nice face. She has one kid, but no damage from it, a big fake rack, and a nice easy going attitude. Performance is not superstar quality, but she is accommodating. Her CG is quite good." Another member posted the following after reading this review: "Wow, I totally wouldn't have guessed about the kid or fake tits based on my one session with her."

My only advice is if you're looking for some lesbian action, make this clear and verify that the girls are into this. I've been in threesomes where the lesbian action was almost none existent; only to do another threesome with one of the girls and a a different second girl and the lesbian action was fantastic. And both of these girls swore they were strictly hetero and had no interest in the lesbian stuff unless a guy was with them.

But, if you just want two girls working you over these guys know what they're talking about, you can get this at any of the MPs mentioned below.

When Eden was at its best it was famous for the lesbian action and ability to satisfy most fetishes know to men and mongers. The French guy who owned the place took pride in his ability to satisfy any man's deepest desires. I think I read somewhere he had serious health problems, the place suffered and then really went down hill when he died. In it's hay days, Tulip was also a good place to find some of this action. Haven't been there for quite some time, but I guess it still is, though the quality of the ladies is not what it once was. I'm not aware any of the other MPs have a reputation for hard core lesbian action and catering to fetishes.
Go to Cherry massage and take Apple and Ice together.

That is what I am planing to do 10 days later.

Rgrds
Go to Cherry and see if Vodka takes your fancy. She was more than wiling to please, ask her to choose another girl and report back here.
Devil's Den in Pattaya has service similar to Eden and has pics and customer reviews on their site, lots of info on other forums about DD:

http://www.devilsdenthailand.com/profiles.html

Other than that you could try to get gogo or freelancers to do a threesome, likely with mixed results. I have read you can get good threesome action at some massage places, Apple at Cherry massage + her choice of a second girl is supposed to be a nice option. Have not tried her myself but plan to in May.

The added bonus at Eden and Devil's Den is that the girls bring their own sex toys and strap-ons and do the girl-on-girl p*why-eating bit without any prompting on your part. You will likely have to direct the action if you are looking for this kind of girl / girl interaction anywhere else, finding girls who work well together in a fully interactive porn-style threeway outside of Eden or Devil's Den is always a crapshoot in my experience but it is great when it happens. I wish you luck.

I have experienced plenty of threesomes where girls do not play with each other, not as much fun IMO.

The main complaints about Eden tend to be in regard to the prices and the looks of the girls, the price per girl at the moment is almost exactly the same as the prices at Tulip / Snow White / Mango / Cherry etc, I can't vouch for the looks of the current lineup as I haven't been there for a few years. I suspect if you go at the right time of day you will find at least a few you are attracted to.

I haven't seen many complaints about the service levels other than the terms "mechanical" or "scripted" thrown about but these girls are trained to give full by-the-book PSE so of course it will be "scripted", something like starring in your own porn film with well trained and well directed actresses. I found with the girls I chose I could direct the action and the ladies were happy to do whatever I asked, just ask the papa if you have specific requests or fantasies and he will match you up with the right girls.

I recommend giving Eden a shot, go early around 1PM, have a beer and take a look at the lineup. You have nothing to lose. If you don't see anyone do-able move on, if you see a couple of girls you think are cute I think you will have a very nice time there, I know I did.

And please report here with the names of the girls you see if you do go, there has not been much info on Eden's current girls in this forum.

Rodwint2

04-26-13, 21:37

Dave Carrera

04-26-13, 23:18

How did the other girls perform? Apple seems to be in a class by herself as we all know and is very hard to book sometimes, so it would be good to know what you and your friends had to say about the other girls.All were very enthusiastic and accommodating. Ploy sticks out somewhat because she's a very young spinner who has boundless energy and really seems to enjoys sex a lot. Basically they were a great bunch who seemed to have no problem in following the amazing Apple's lead. They made the party truly memorable.

Rodwint2

04-26-13, 23:31

CityHunter77

04-30-13, 20:25

What should be my top 5 places to visit in Bangkok for massage?

Visited Snow White and Tulip last year, both were good.

Any info would be great.

Cheers 007

Dextro Sol

04-30-13, 21:38

All were very enthusiastic and accommodating. Ploy sticks out somewhat because she's a very young spinner who has boundless energy and really seems to enjoys sex a lot. Basically they were a great bunch who seemed to have no problem in following the amazing Apple's lead. They made the party truly memorable.After reading you report I tried too book Apple upon my arrival in BKK next month. I want an outcall to my hotel just before I go to sleep after arrival early in the morning at 8. 30AM.

From Cherry I got answer that no outcall before 10AM. Ez want deposit. Snow White has no email address for booking.

So right now I'm waiting for Mango to answer. I had outcall from them (Cherry) a couple of years ago.

Paul Kausch

04-30-13, 22:06

What should be my top 5 places to visit in Bangkok for massage?

Visited Snow White and Tulip last year, both were good.

Any info would be great.

Cheers 007I'd recommend Cherry, Mango, Annie's, and for the experience trying out one or two of the big Asian-centric upscale MPs on Ratchada such as Poseidon, The Lords or Emmanuella.

Galinsoga

05-01-13, 00:55

After reading you report I tried too book Apple upon my arrival in BKK next month. I want an outcall to my hotel just before I go to sleep after arrival early in the morning at 8. 30AM.

From Cherry I got answer that no outcall before 10AM. Ez want deposit. Snow White has no email address for booking.

So right now I'm waiting for Mango to answer. I had outcall from them (Cherry) a couple of years ago.NOT what I wanted to hear! I will also be arriving 8-ish when I visit mid May and had hoped to arrange company.

G.

TimTimGuy

05-01-13, 04:04

I want an outcall to my hotel just before I go to sleep after arrival early in the morning at 8. 30AM. Snip

From Cherry I got answer that no outcall before 10AM.

So right now I'm waiting for Mango to answer. .Mango MP and Cherry MP both have the same management. She alternates between the two shops on a weekly basis, according to what I learned a month or two ago. So I would be surprised if you get a different answer from Mango!

Rodwint2

05-01-13, 07:52

After reading you report I tried too book Apple upon my arrival in BKK next month. I want an outcall to my hotel just before I go to sleep after arrival early in the morning at 8. 30AM.

From Cherry I got answer that no outcall before 10AM. Ez want deposit. Snow White has no email address for booking.

So right now I'm waiting for Mango to answer. I had outcall from them (Cherry) a couple of years ago.I tried to get a reservation in for a late arrival from the airport, past 11pm with Cherry. Cherry responded that after 11pm no take outs available, same with Mango, too. Acknowledged that same owners for both.

Syzygies

05-01-13, 08:19

NOT what I wanted to hear! I will also be arriving 8-ish when I visit mid May and had hoped to arrange company.

G.I have had outcall with Cherry (in the past) and she was called up early in the morning by Mango to go to an early booking maybe at 9AM. She did not make it there on time, perhaps 10, as was with me. LOL

Of course Earlier than 10AM is possible if they know you or you pay in advance, and maybe pay extra. Its just an organisational hassle. If you can get a buddy already in Thailand to go pay the deposit, I am sure its possible. You would ring them to confirm you are in Hotel room, and they could come.

For most of the regulars its easier, as we already have a collection of girl phone numbers and merely need to ring and arrange before arrival in Thailand, being aware that some Thai girls are unreliable. In this situation you would not pay in advance. If the money offered is good, the girl will come!

Rodwint2

05-01-13, 10:27

I have had outcall with Cherry (in the past) and she was called up early in the morning by Mango to go to an early booking maybe at 9AM. She did not make it there on time, perhaps 10, as was with me. LOL

Of course Earlier than 10AM is possible if they know you or you pay in advance, and maybe pay extra. Its just an organisational hassle. If you can get a buddy already in Thailand to go pay the deposit, I am sure its possible. You would ring them to confirm you are in Hotel room, and they could come.

For most of the regulars its easier, as we already have a collection of girl phone numbers and merely need to ring and arrange before arrival in Thailand, being aware that some Thai girls are unreliable. In this situation you would not pay in advance. If the money offered is good, the girl will come!Orient Massage website list it's phone number as 24 HR, but whether or not it means they deliver 24/7 is not clear.

Dextro Sol

05-01-13, 10:47

Orient Massage website list it's phone number as 24 HR, but whether or not it means they deliver 24/7 is not clear.Thanks for this info. I just send an email to Orient and will see what the answer will be!

DanGood

05-02-13, 07:03

Siegel

05-02-13, 15:41

Paul Kausch

05-02-13, 20:11

Thanks for all the excellent info folks. I'm going to be in Bangkok in a week or so, was wondering where to go for the best BODY TO BODY massage? On my last trip I went to Tulips, had an amazing time with a young average looking girl. But the things she did! Did not get much of a body to body massage though and this time I want to go to at least one place that focuses and spends most of the session on the body to body massage.

Thanks in advance!Get a Nuru massage. Some of the places along Sukhumvit offer these; though they don't necessarily get good reviews from guys who know how they should be done. You can also look into the MPs on Ratchada. Colonze 2 is one of several places in this area that have girls who specialize in Nuru. I recommend Colonze 2 because it is farang friendly.

Here's a useful link.

http://www.sukhumvit-entertainment.com/massage/nuru-massage-bangkok/

The description of a Nuru massage on this page's link in my opinion is not accurate. It starts in a chair but end on a mattress with full body one body which the experienced ladies really know how to do.

Google nuru massage video to get an idea of what to expect from a good nuru massage. You'll be directed to links for porn videos but they'll give you an idea of what a good nuru massage is like.

The nuru gel is made from seaweed. It's supper slippery, completely organic and water soluble.

AssLover945

05-03-13, 05:52

I will be soon in BKK and I would like to find a friend finding girls at a massage parlour and having good time in the same room (2 men. 2 girls). I went to Cherry and they have a room for a 4some like this. They agree to do so too.

I like the groups, I'm pure hetero.

If you have any other suggestions, do not hesitate.Hi Dangood.

I am interested, I have some experience in doing it.

So how should we do it? Let us meet at a coffee shop and decide first?

If you don't feel comfortable, we can call it off? What do you say?

And can you have PM activated (private message) , so that we can share contact details.

Asslover

Dextro Sol

05-03-13, 07:11

Hi Dangood.

I am interested, I have some experience in doing it.

So how should we do it? Let us meet at a coffee shop and decide first?

If you don't feel comfortable, we can call it off? What do you say?

And can you have PM activated (private message) , so that we can share contact details.

AssloverI am also interested. I think Dangood has to pay for the forum to have PM activated.

There are many thing we could do together (don't worry I'm 200% hetero) SOL for example would be great for this kind of thing. And why not only have a beer or dinner together some time and share experiences.

I will PM you AssLover!

DanGood

05-03-13, 10:39

I am also interested. I think Dangood has to pay for the forum to have PM activated.

There are many thing we could do together (don't worry I'm 200% hetero) SOL for example would be great for this kind of thing. And why not only have a beer or dinner together some time and share experiences.

I will PM you AssLover!OK, I will activate my PM this afternoon.

Rodwint2

05-06-13, 11:32

Thanks for this info. I just send an email to Orient and will see what the answer will be!Did you get a response from Orient about a late or early arrival?

Dextro Sol

05-06-13, 11:38

Did you get a response from Orient about a late or early arrival?No, not a word from them. But EZ will be OK, they have a few girls who does early outcalls.

Syzygies

05-07-13, 15:15

A short time available to survey a few Soapies.

Headed toward Victoria Secret as had seen some photos on their 'models" web site that looked okay The motorcycle let me off slightly the wrong place, so had a look in "To Nite" a newish place on south side of Rama IX a bit west of Ekkamai. It right next door to "The Office" (of the Colonze group). Only 7 girls at 5PM+. Not one could be declared naturally "pretty".

Crossed the road and took another motorcycle up Soi 13 (too lazy to walk it). Victoria Secret had a line up of about 20 girls. Many looked too young. No great figures could be discerned and faces rather ordinary like the girls next door you would rather not fuck.

As I walked out of Soi 13 saw a hot looking girl get on a motorbike and head toward Victoria. She would have been a good choice. Perhaps I was too early.

Walked west down the road to "La Defense" (Thais say it something like "Lar Day-Fong"). Went in the front door and started to look in the fish bowl. Faces were broad squashed flat and wide noses, and ugly unshapely bodies. Girls on the sideline were slightly better. The one looker kept lifting a hand in front of her face like she did not want me to see her mouth moving when talking to her neighbour or was it just to put me off?

Just about ready to move on too another Soapy when I found the upmarket section close to the side Soi doorway. Wow a huge difference in looks indeed (and a significant hike in price too). At least 20 girls and nearly all I would class as good looking with several very pretty and above the standard you normally see in Soapies. I would say even more pretty girls than La Belle or Utopia or Amsterdam, and better than the looks upstairs at Poseidon. I am referring to both face and figure. Its normally easy to find girls with good figure but plain face in many Soapies.

Picked out S14 (if I remember right) Nan. Very cute little Chiang Rai girl (5' 2) with very sweet smile, quite slim but curvy. Nice tits even if only A cup. Several girls looked very keen to go with me, so choice was tough. Session was quite good without being really great. Nice slow slurpy BBBJ. Tight pussy. Several positions. Enjoyable but not 100% GFE. I will try a different one next time till I get the right one or two to add to the list of regulars.

So La Defense has a choice of cheaper ordinary lookers (starting at 1800 I think - I forget) or expensive stunners (like double price). I have no interest to fuck uglies, so I pay more. Its easy to get to, MRT to Rama IX then motorcycle to Soi 11. A bit harder to get home from, due to turning difficulties in Rama IX. Bargain hunters could try Katherine first just nearby.

Ralph Kramden

05-08-13, 14:05

Will add La Defense to my visit list SZG thanks to your excellent investigative reporting.

Dan7373

05-08-13, 14:46

Picked out S14 (if I remember right) Nan. Very cute little Chiang Rai girl (5' 2) with very sweet smile, quite slim but curvy. Nice tits even if only A cup. Several girls looked very keen to go with me, so choice was tough. Session was quite good without being really great. Nice slow slurpy BBBJ. Tight pussy. Several positions. Enjoyable but not 100% GFE. I will try a different one next time till I get the right one or two to add to the list of regulars.

So La Defense has a choice of cheaper ordinary lookers (starting at 1800 I think. I forget) or expensive stunners (like double price). I have no interest to fuck uglies, so I pay more. Its easy to get to, MRT to Rama IX then motorcycle to Soi 11. A bit harder to get home from, due to turning difficulties in Rama IX. Bargain hunters could try Katherine first just nearby.I've checked out the La Defense website and found only one lady there by the name of Nan. She fits your description in terms of height and good looks, but her number is D26 rather than S14. I've attached her picture with this post. Perhaps you can say if she was the one, who was so much fun in the massage room with you.

http://www.ladefense-entertainment.com/

Their website shows a number of other attractive ladies. Perhaps it's a good idea to check out their website before you go there, so that you know which ladies you are looking for and ask for them, if you don't see them.

Gorgon

05-08-13, 15:20

At soi 39 there is a place called 37. 2C. This is in the Japanese area and supposedly anyone else should just stay out. But fuck that right? I went in to this knowing full well that it isn't really for khwai farrang. Web is http://www.bkk372.com/ Translate it with google if needed.

The manager speaks english and gives you a binder with individual stats for each girl. They have no bar but you get a free coke or water if you like. I chose "yumi" because she looked like a cute young thing and not overly photo-shopped. Turned out to be more or less true to the pic in the binder. Not as dolled up, more like an office lady type setup. Very low english, mostly "na ka" and nods.

They have some different style / protocol to the special massage that I'm not clued in to so the lady looked exasperated a lot. For example I undressed unassisted. In the shower I was also expected to do something in some order or another. On the bed she gave a competent back massage all over, on turn over she once again looked lost and just improvised some crawling on me without oil. First time I believe I have had my armpits licked. On to some dick worship style jacking and licking. Took a long while and many different pleasant moves to get the show on the road. A second first was when she rubbed her nose all over my dick. Then she said "condom" and expected me to pump until done. Various positions but she was passive because of communication issues.

I asked the manager before I chose the girl and asked if the price is all inclusive and she said it was, so I tipped the standard 500 over the 2100 price for 60 minutes. The girl looked less than pleased but she also didn't rock my world. When I was on my way out there was three Japanese salary men sitting in the sofas choosing from the binder. The look on their faces when they saw me coming down the stairs was priceless. Sort of like a mix of surprise and anger that I just defiled their place. In summary I would say this place might be super if you are more in the know of how things are expected to play out and know thai / Japanese.

Member #4698

05-08-13, 17:34

[The soapy] website shows a number of other attractive ladies. Perhaps it's a good idea to check out their website before you go there, so that you know which ladies you are looking for and ask for them, if you don't see them.

Those soapy website pages are never up to date or complete. I use them to as a guide to indicate the general quality of girls I might find at a soapy on a particular night. Very rarely have I seen a girl on the website and then seen her in the soapy sauna although it has happened a couple of times. Most of the time, the girls I have had sessions with are not on the website. For example, I visited La Belle twice while I was last in town in April. 1st night I took Buddy – S40 (a real nice girl), but her picture is not on the internet site. She was the best looking girl available IMHO at the time. The 2nd night I took Dxx – the best La Belle girl I ever had. (I am not going to give out her name or badge). Go go there. Find your hot little girl. You will see that things change on any given night. Just select a girl you find attractive. I don't think you will leave La Belle unsatisfied or looking for better looking girls.

IMHO, Dxx was one of the the prettiest sideline (and fishbowl) girls I have ever seen in La Belle. She is definitely in the running for best session girl of my 2013 trip. But that is just me, YMMV, tastes vary. Dxx is not on the web site either and Buddy (S40) from the other night was not there or not available on my 2nd visit. So things are always in flux when it comes to soapy girls. You never know who you are going to see when you drop by. The line-up is more predictable in oily massage parlors for some reason, but then again, the hot girls in the oily's are always in high demand and harder to hook up with on a walk-in.

The point I am trying to make is to 1st check out the web sites for sure and decide where you want to go and spend your money. Then go and see who is around and who's available. The exception to this strategy is when you know the girl you want, had her before, and you defiantly want to book an appointment with her and not check out any of the other girls or leave things to chance. This is what I will do next time I visit La Belle with Dxx because I know I want a repeat. But then I have her cell number and I will just call her up first and see what's going on. Life is good.

Dextro Sol

05-08-13, 20:52

No, not a word from them. But EZ will be OK, they have a few girls who does early outcalls.Received confirmation email from EZ today. They want me to transfer 1500 thb on paypal to confirm booking of early outcall.

Smart and easy!

Traveler1234

05-08-13, 20:54

Received confirmation email from EZ today. They want me to transfer 1500 thb on paypal to confirm booking of early outcall.

Smart and easy!Did you confirm name of provider. Keep in mind most do only 1 pop, unless you specifically ask for someone who will provide more.

Syzygies

05-09-13, 10:26

1st night I took Buddy – S40 (a real nice girl) , but her picture is not on the internet site. She was the best looking girl available IMHO at the time. The 2nd night I took Dxx – the best La Belle girl I ever had. (I am not going to give out her name or badge). Go go there. Find your hot little girl. You will see that things change on any given night. Just select a girl you find attractive. I don't think you will leave La Belle unsatisfied or looking for better looking girls.

IMHO, Dxx was one of the the prettiest sideline (and fishbowl) girls I have ever seen in La Belle. She is definitely in the running for best session girl of my 2013 trip. But that is just me, YMMV, tastes vary. Dxx is not on the web site either and Buddy (S40) from the other night was not there or not available on my 2nd visit. So things are always in flux when it comes to soapy girls. You never know who you are going to see when you drop by.I think you sum up the way of Soapies well. Its best to try until you find the "out of this world" girl for you, and then add to list of super-favourites to keep repeating and be able to check when they are available. Also being prepared to pay more to get the prettiest girls. The cheapest girls are usually the not very popular ones, due to either ordinary appearance, baby marks, saggy body, or lack of experience, or a bit older. Sometimes a bit older girl can be great though.

There are just too many ordinary performing girls to keep changing and taking pot luck each time. I have had very mixed success at La Belle in terms of performance and lineup varies in standard too. So when the chemistry works, stick to it is my advice (and be in heaven often). The very best girls are not that boring even having done them many times. If their performance drops off, then time to change.

Dextro Sol

05-09-13, 11:39

Did you confirm name of provider. Keep in mind most do only 1 pop, unless you specifically ask for someone who will provide more.The one I booked (Honey) does 2 pops and A+. And someone for backup, don't remember name but 2 pops

Dash Riprock

05-09-13, 13:38

Syzygies

05-09-13, 13:44

LaBelle is great for 2nd time, etc. Visits. They have that annoying little CBJ training program and a lot of the girls won't BBBJ you until your 2nd visit (with the same girl). But yeah, lots of lookers here.Agreed its hard to understand this CBJ, unless they really believe its risky for them. I think girl is a slightly greater risk of catching something than guy is but its still difficult to understand. She does get the chance to clean very thoroughly.

Fortunately I did not run into CBJ problem at La Defense. Its a bit more out of the way though.

Syzygies

05-09-13, 13:53

Here is why:NATAREE SIDELINERS ARE YOUNGER AND LESS EXPERIENCEDOne sure way to judge how long a girl has been in the business is how much English she speaks. I met six girls this time around and not one of them knew more than a few words of English, and a couple of them couldn't even respond to ?Name?? I believe there is a direct correlation between how long a girl has been in the business and her attitude. A fresher attitude brings far better performance and a less hardened/professional manner. This is not just my opinion, but something I have learned from experience.I agree with nearly all of your points. However my experience with Nataree Sideliners has been very hit and miss, miss more-so, for a few reasons. I find that more experienced girls perform better. The complete newbies have so little experience that they can be very scared of Farang cock (in their tiny tight pussies) and completely inept at BBBJ, and various other things. Some may have never even performed a BJ. LOL. I do agree they can love a good DATY, once get past the shyness, and may have never had a good one before. Sometimes I felt like I was servicing them rather than the reverse.

I am willing to bet that experienced Annies girls will out perform them any day (maybe not on looks).

Syzygies

05-09-13, 13:58

I've checked out the La Defense website and found only one lady there by the name of Nan. She fits your description in terms of height and good looks, but her number is D26 rather than S14. I've attached her picture with this post. Perhaps you can say if she was the one, who was so much fun in the massage room with you.

http://www.ladefense-entertainment.com/

Their website shows a number of other attractive ladies. Perhaps it's a good idea to check out their website before you go there, so that you know which ladies you are looking for and ask for them, if you don't see them.No the pic is not the girl. Mine was a slimmer girl. I may have spelled the name wrong. Could be Naen (sounds like Nan as in Nanny). Not all girls are willing to appear on the website. S14 seems to be missing.
Remember I said her performance O.K. rather than "so much fun". Not enough GFE to repeat in my case. I will try a different one next time.

None of the very cheap V level girls are on the website as they are not good enough. Some D and C girls look good though (well in pics at least), and not all the high level girls are to my taste at all. However the web site shows that they do have a fair number of pretty girls and that was backed up by my visit to the upmarket category. Its very rare for me to see so many girls I would class as pretty available at the same time. I am not easy to please. There is Farang surcharge of 500 I think. This is pretty standard at many Soapies in the area but not all. La Belle has Farang surcharge too. Utopia has very steep farang surcharge to make it largely farang free.

Syzygies

05-09-13, 18:59

Went to La Belle today as a bit lazy to go to La Defense. Even the high price girls with P numbers were not specially pretty to my taste. There is a simple reason. The looks here are that plastic doll type of looks that are popular with Thais and Japanese. Most of the customers here are probably Japanese. Almost every girl had a fake nose and most of them were pretty bad looking noses to me. This is the main problem for me at most up market soapies. Finding girls with natural pretty looks when the vast majority have nose jobs, or boob jobs, and often both.

La Defense has a big array of much prettier girls to my taste because they are probably more natural looking with fewer fake noses. So its just dependent on your personal preference for the style of the girls you like.

My papasan Oscar would recommend some girl, but his taste was very different to mine. He likes girls with big tits, broader faces and fake noses no problem. He would say she speaks good English. I don't give a rat's arse what she speaks as will converse in Thai. Finally I found a naturally cute girl Muk (Mook) No. S39 to go with. Looked slightly like an ex-GF. Oscar indicate she was a good service girl. Actually her thighs were a bit pudgy for my taste but the rest looked good (no silicone. Nothing strange), good upturned nose not too broad, big lips, big eyes (probably an illusion).

Turned out she was only 19 and just 3 months experience. Normally I fear these girls due to their lack of experience. However she was very keen to cuddle up obviously liking Farangs. Took to my coaching very well indeed. I soon had her BBBJ modified to very slow and slurpy. I taught her how to rest her tits (B cups) on my balls while doing the BBBJ. Suggested she might trim the pubes just a bit more as per the fashion.

Like Ralph suggests, she was right into the DATY in a big way. Probably doesn't get a good DATY that often. This lasted quite a while. Seemed to enjoy the fucking a lot too, based on her body moves (already very worked up before that started). Good GFE. Definitely highly repeatable despite the young age.

On the way out, spotted her friend who was really stunning to me in the face. Oscar said "no, no!" he indicated very small tits. As if that worried me. Service, he said, was ordinary for this new stunner. I said I would try her next time, as she is just too beautiful and I don't care about the small tits. If her service is bad, okay too bad. I am just a sucker for natural stunning faces.

Dash Riprock

05-10-13, 05:23

LaDefense is a bit more down market comparatively, but that's not important of course if you find what you like. Some guys would swear by Annie's or Darling, but for myself, those 'women' look an awful lot like 'men. ' To each his own, eh?

As for BBBJ's. Yeah, LaDefense, Catherine, Tarawadee, Emmanuelle, Copa Cabana, Amsterdam, Long Beach, Caesar's, Colonze 1, 2.4 (the Office) , are all standard training there it seems.

Utopia, Nataree, and LaBelle are CBJ in their training.

That said, once you're a regular with any girl, any notion of hygiene seems to disappear awfully quick, especially if you top off the first session with a generous tip. It's an awfully short road to uncovered FS if you're not too careful. Also, I suppose if you got a scarred diseased looking schlong... your results may vary as well. She might put on a rubber and rubber gloves.

:-)

Dan7373

05-10-13, 05:29

Remember I said her performance O.K. rather than "so much fun". Not enough GFE to repeat in my case. I will try a different one next time.Perhaps my idea of fun is different from yours. I go to the massage parlor to massage the massage lady and to perform with her.

Her performance with me is just an excuse for me to start groping her boobs and ass and massaging her pussy with a well-lubricated hand.

The only kind of lady's performance I care about is her getting a hard clitoral erection between her legs. And this is something I arrange for her by massaging her well between her legs. Getting a BJ from the lady has no appeal for me at all. I'd rather bang her for this kind of pleasure, and get some exercise at the same time.

Paul Kausch

05-10-13, 05:45

As for BBBJ's. Yeah, LaDefense, Catherine, Tarawadee, Emmanuelle, Copa Cabana, Amsterdam, Long Beach, Caesar's, Colonze 1, 2.4 (the Office) , are all standard training there it seems.I'd add Poseidon to the list of MPs where a BBBJ is more or less standard.

That said, once you're a regular with any girl, any notion of hygiene seems to disappear awfully quick, especially if you top off the first session with a generous tip. It's an awfully short road to uncovered FS if you're not too careful.This is a good point. On more than one occasions when I've been with the same girl a few times, she'd be giving me a BBBJ while I'm on my back only to suddenly try to mount me bareback. Bareback does feel better to the girl too. I've wondered if this is common.

Syzygies

05-10-13, 07:54

Perhaps my idea of fun is different from yours. I go to the massage parlor to massage the massage lady and to perform with her.

Her performance with me is just an excuse for me to start groping her boobs and ass and massaging her pussy with a well-lubricated hand.

The only kind of lady's performance I care about is her getting a hard clitoral erection between her legs. And this is something I arrange for her by massaging her well between her legs. Getting a BJ from the lady has no appeal for me at all. I'd rather bang her for this kind of pleasure, and get some exercise at the same time.I think my idea of fun is not so different to yours. She did not want to be stimulated that much and not into kissing. I still got my rocks off okay but she was more into to servicing me than the reverse. So I don't recommend her for you. Try one of others might get luckier with more GFE style.

Syzygies

05-10-13, 08:13

Utopia, Nataree, and LaBelle are CBJ in their training.No CBJ for me with Utopia girl, however I have known her for years and she is still very pretty and a very good fuck, even if put on a few pounds. I put up with her recent enhancements. Her tits were just fine beforehand. Unfortuantely these days doesn't not want to orgasm at work, early in the day, claiming that will make her too lazy to work properly. Late in the day, okay Some girls are honest and not going to bullshit about cumming, when they did not and did not want to. She probably knows I would suspect a fake one. Often girls that cum at work do not need to announce it, depending on how violent the spasms. Announcing it, can be a sign of bullshit, if the physical evidence was not there. Some girls will know that certain customers like me get very turned off by over acting and bullshit, so its simply easier to be their natural selves to make me happy.

My newbie La Belle girl gave BBBJ without asking. So maybe she is paying more attention to training by the customers than by the Management.

Syzygies

05-10-13, 08:35

LaDefense is a bit more down market comparatively, but that's not important of course if you find what you like. Some guys would swear by Annie's or Darling, but for myself, those 'women' look an awful lot like 'men. ' To each his own, eh?My idea of beauty is like a Jessica Alba or a Jessica Biel.

La Defense has a down-market cheaper section of rather plain to ugly girls with crap bodies. Many broad flat but natural noses there. It also has a more up market section located 50m away where the price is higher and the girls far prettier and many with natural unmodified beauty. The room was a good standard (smaller than La Belle) but the bath is much better (more comfortable).

Not sure why La Belle, Tarawadee, Amsterdam are so full of fake noses but La Defense and Copa Cabana seem to have relatively less fakes. Maybe depends on management recommending to girls to get mods done. Anyway many of the readers here won't mind the fake noses that are such a turn-off to me (unless its subtle well shaped job. Rather than a beak).

Annies has a wide range of looks too. Although some are excessively plain, I would say they still look female, not at all like men. A few are quite nice looking too. Choose based on whether you want looks or service or both. I am very fussy about looks, but still find a few Annies girls to be attractive. Probably have to book in advance though. I am not fussy about big tits, but like curvy girls.

Dan7373

05-10-13, 12:54

I think my idea of fun is not so different to yours. She did not want to be stimulated that much and not into kissing. I still got my rocks off okay but she was more into to servicing me than the reverse. So I don't recommend her for you. Try one of others might get luckier with more GFE style.Yes, her not wanting to be stimulated is a real deal-breaker for me. I don't care about the kissing, but I do want to experience the lady with my hands and not just with my cock.

Being all hands with the pretty lady and mouth with her tits is what it's all about for me. The cocky stuff with her is just an added bonus for me. It's groping the lady and massaging her pussy well enough to give her a good clitoral erection that gets me off with her every time. Because when I feel the hardness of her clitoris on my massaging hand, then I know for sure that her moans and groans are real with me.

Or else, she is just acting and pretending with me, as far as I'm concerned. Her body is there, but her mind is elsewhere. My sex with her isn't real for me. I might as well be banging a plastic doll in such a situation. It's a total turn off for me, when the lady doesn't let me massage her pussy and clit well enough to give her a good clitoral erection.

Perhaps next time you should say that the lady didn't let you perform with her the way you wanted to, instead of saying that she didn't perform well with you. Because a lot of guys are probably like me. They don't care about the lady's skills and performance. They just want to do their stuff with her the way they like, without a lot of rules restrictions from her.

When the massage lady keeps control, instead of letting you have a ball, then you end up fulfilling her fantasy and not yours. She might as well be paying you, instead of you paying her.

AwiBkk

05-10-13, 13:12

Took both candy and ploy in mid noon for a 2hr session. AMAZING in a word but really, ploy is a PSE to the core and candy is just the perfect match with her tough I did find her size a bit of a downside she way more big than a chubby description that forum members said on her. Anyways she will always have a saved spot for her in my heart as she is a dear and did her very best to please me, I guess for people that her size does not matter she is a great PSE too. So we got inside the room quickly candy washed me off and I kissed a lot with both. I liked it a lot and they made me feel so comfortable all time with their great personality.

They did long sessions of combined BBBJ and simply worshiped my cock. Candy did a very nice rimming too. First pop went inside ploy's mouth and it was so strong she almost suffocated as it took her by surprise. They were both so eager to please me it was a dream. After first pop they almost immediately started to get me going again with candy oiled up and rubbed her curvy ass on me while I'm DFK with ploy (with did that kissing endlessly) she has the most amazing lips. I did also went down on ploy a lot while they BBBJ me so she came 4 times according to her 555. I don't really know she faked that whole vibrate feel she had all over my face. Again she is a star! Much more of a looker in person than in her "mug shot" photos on website. Anyways while I'm still trying to get my second session to start candy put some lube on and put my cock in her ass and ride it with no effort. Ploy said I'm too big for her. I did the anal with candy for a while and then asked that they would suck me off again together as it was so good the first time and I just did not had enough from that great feeling. After 15min or so I wanted to fuck ploy again cause she's so fucking hot and she turned me on over on over again. They did not let me fuck them both with same condom (understandable I guess) , so I fucked ploy mission and candy started to rimm my ass from the back I was going wild. I exploded inside ploy tight pussy and called it a day even I did not finished the 2hr limit as I was exhausted. They did a great job with me kept asking if I'm having a good time and were very pleasing. So I'm thinking maybe next time taking ploy again as she is Unreplacable for me and apple cause I didn't tasted her yet literally 555. For 4600b plus 200b tip each is a small price for the amount of pleasure I got

Cheers

Dan7373

05-10-13, 15:11

Took both candy and ploy in mid noon for a 2hr session. AMAZING in a word but really, ploy is a PSE to the core and candy is just the perfect match with her tough I did find her size a bit of a downside she way more big than a chubby description that forum members said on her. Anyways she will always have a saved spot for her in my heart as she is a dear and did her very best to please me, I guess for people that her size does not matter she is a great PSE too. So we got inside the room quickly candy washed me off and I kissed a lot with both. I liked it a lot and they made me feel so comfortable all time with their great personality.

Anyways while I'm still trying to get my second session to start candy put some lube on and put my cock in her ass and ride it with no effort.

So I'm thinking maybe next time taking ploy again as she is Unreplacable for me and apple cause I didn't tasted her yet literally 555.

According to the Cherry Massage website, Ploy is one of their youngest ladies. She is only 21 years old. She probably doesn't have that much experience yet. Perhaps her pairing up with the older, more experienced Candy on you encouraged her to perform better with you.

Because no lady wants to be left behind and end up looking like a fool compared to the other lady. The older, more experienced lady knows what she is doing, and she is pretty good at it. Which sets a high standard for the younger lady to follow. The younger lady ups her performance with you, because she compares her performance to that of her older partner and ends up following her lead.

But such synergy between two ladies doesn't always work well. If you take two ladies of the same age, or similar looks, or competitive personalities, then they may end up competing and bickering with each other, instead of performing well with you.

When you find something that works well, then changing it and doing something different next time might disappoint you. It's not so easy to get two ladies to work well together. Candy's great personality might be the quality you need for the other ladies to follow her lead. She might be the one to take out every time, when you want two ladies at the same time. Because she sounds like she is pretty good at taking the lead and setting a high standard for the other lady to follow, without hurting the other lady's feelings and making some kind of competition out of it.

Member #4698

05-10-13, 16:37

Utopia, Nataree, and LaBelle are CBJ in their training. That said, once you're a regular with any girl, any notion of hygiene seems to disappear awfully quick, especially if you top off the first session with a generous tip. It's an awfully short road to uncovered FSThat's odd. In all my visits to La Belle I have never had a CBJ. It has always been BBBJ, yet at the same time I have never been offered a bareback ride (BBFS) there. On the BBFS: up to now, I have repeated with only 1 La Belle girl (4x total over two years with her) and BBFS was never offered. In general, I am very rarely offered bareback rides with the Thai girls I know. It took 3 years of getting to know me and trusting me before my little Baccara girl offered it up. There are other better destinations than Thailand to go for bareback. I think you guys know where I mean. Be cool.

Paul Kausch

05-10-13, 18:16

According to the Cherry Massage website, Ploy is one of their youngest ladies. She is only 21 years old. She probably doesn't have that much experience yet. Perhaps her pairing up with the older, more experienced Candy on you encouraged her to perform better with you.Not much has been written about Ploy, but the few posts about her have been favorable. And from sources other than ISG posts I've heard that she is, shall we say, a young lady who practices her profession with great enthusiasm, boundless energy and an open mind. Apparently she's all a young guy could handle and too much for an old fart like me. Unfortunately I missed Cherry's on my last visit, but she and the much celebrated Apple are two ladies I definitely want to see on my next trip. Generally, she's described as cute, petite, with natural breasts that are proportional to her size and a nice ass: small but round and firm. As for her experience, she's been at Cherry's since at least January and perhaps since it opened. Even assuming she had no prior experience by now she's probably been fucked by a couple hundred guys or more. So I suspect she's learned a few things. And as you point out there are other experienced ladies there to guide her.

Syzygies

05-10-13, 21:08

They just want to do their stuff with her the way they like, without a lot of rules restrictions from her.

When the massage lady keeps control, instead of letting you have a ball, then you end up fulfilling her fantasy and not yours. She might as well be paying you, instead of you paying her.Yeh, I like "go with the flow" and "let themselves go" type of ladies. Your last paragraph doesn't really make any sense to me. Lady keeping control is not really about fullfilling her fantasy at all, in a normal scenario. It means she is just concentrating on working to service the guy rather than enjoyment, but perhaps with not the best checking of what the customer wants.

I can understand the point that we pay in order to remain somewhat in control, but if a lady is turned on best by riding me cowgirl style into the sunset, then I can go with that. Most girls however get bored by customers who want them to do all the work.

I don't want things that she thinks are for my benefit but actually don't interest me. E. G. I have no interest at all in the girl wasting time licking my nipples. I have no sensation there at all.

In good sex, both parties could well be trying to find out what turns the other person on. If the girl is not trying to find out what the customer likes, then she is not really worth the money. Some fabulous looking girls can get away with not really trying too hard because the customers like them anyway. Sometimes girls can seem great to us merely because they just go with flow and see what happens. Resisting various activities is the biggest thing that puts us off girls I think. E. G. When a girl wants to keep her legs straightish and stiff, it becomes very hard to fuck her. This is star-fish I think.

Francesco24

05-11-13, 07:42

Some days ago I had a session with Opor, advertised as super model in their website.

She has a nice face but not really model like. Also the body is average. Nice boobs size but slightly overweight (just few Kg) and not very firm.

The service is in line with the rest. Average too.

She moans a lot, it's not so bad but she starts doing it as soon as you touch her so it feels fake even if the act itself is good.

The most negative for me is that kissing is just light and she try to avoid it as best as she can (same for touching her pussy).

Last time the mamasan there suggested me a really nice girl with very big boobs as I requested (sadly Sainam left.) , but this time she wasn't able to fulfill it even with the supposed super star of the shop. Actually not even sure how she can be a super star.

Of course it may have been she just didn't like me much.

Muttley81

05-11-13, 13:57

If you are in the Silom area it is well worth visting Ben Ten Massage on Soi 6. Went in there for an hours massage, unfortunately I didn't get the name of the girl though most of the ones sat downstairs seemed nice enough.

On the sign outside it clearly indicated that a specialist testicle massage was available, thought it'd be rude not to give that a try as we were there. Once inside the room fully body to body and full service was also available after a very nice assisted shower.

The massage was very special, especially in the testicular area. Haha. Worth going here only if you're in the area and don't want to go all way to Dr's or Annie's, but worth going non the less.

Crocodilexp

05-11-13, 16:48

Dan7373

05-14-13, 16:18

Resisting various activities is the biggest thing that puts us off girls I think. E. G. When a girl wants to keep her legs straightish and stiff, it becomes very hard to fuck her. This is star-fish I think.Yes, when the lady doesn't let you touch her in some ways or refuses to do it with you in some positions you like, not because she can't do it but because she doesn't want to, then this is the biggest turn off you can have with a lady.

I can understand that a lady might not want to do a BBBJ with a guy, because there is a real risk of an STD transmission. Or she says 'no' to anal sex with you, because this isn't the normal thing for her to do. But if she doesn't let me hug, and kiss, and massage her with my hands the way I like or bang her in the position I want, then this is where I draw the line. A lady like this I won't come to see again.

A big reason why many guys go to sex-workers and do it for money, even when they can find girlfriends for free, is that paying the lady encourages her to please you and do it with you the way you like. Customer is always right, when it's a commercial type of relationship. You are the customer with her, when you are the one paying her, and she treats you as such.

But of course, not every lady, who takes your money, provides good customer service for you. And that's where you and other guys get to decide whether to come back for another ride, or not.

Dan7373

05-14-13, 16:52

Some days ago I had a session with Opor, advertised as super model in their website.

She moans a lot, it's not so bad but she starts doing it as soon as you touch her so it feels fake even if the act itself is good.

The most negative for me is that kissing is just light and she try to avoid it as best as she can (same for touching her pussy).Kissing I can do without, but not being allowed to touch the lady's pussy is a deal-breaker for me.

There is no way you can foreplay the lady well enough to make her fake moans sound sincere and put her in the mood for it with you, without touching her pussy. This kind of thing is liable to ruin your whole encounter with her.

It's no fun to do it with a lady who obviously isn't in the mood for it and won't let you put her in the mood for it either. Her pussy is the main reason why you are there, and if she won't even let you cop a good feel of her pussy with your hand, then you might as well find some other lady to see next time.

BionicMan

05-14-13, 18:12

It's no fun to do it with a lady who obviously isn't in the mood for it and won't let you put her in the mood for it either. Her pussy is the main reason why you are there, and if she won't even let you cop a good feel of her pussy with your hand, then you might as well find some other lady to see next time.Hundred per cent correct, she should be returned for warranty.

DanGood

05-15-13, 10:20

I fully agree. The two are fantastic but Vodka is not so good. My dream now is to take both together, Apple because she is really sex addicted and Pok for her enthusiasm and nice body. That will be my next visit to Cherry massage.

Rodwint2

05-16-13, 06:11

DanGood

05-16-13, 06:51

Who is Pok?You are right, Ploy.

Dash Riprock

05-16-13, 15:41

I'd add Poseidon to the list of MPs where a BBBJ is more or less standard.

This is a good point. On more than one occasions when I've been with the same girl a few times, she'd be giving me a BBBJ while I'm on my back only to suddenly try to mount me bareback. Bareback does feel better to the girl too. I've wondered if this is common.BBFS is most of these girls 'hail mary. ' It's not like they aren't close to rock bottom as it is so the upside in their minds far outweighs the risk. Not to mention, some girls are high at work, so their judgment might be a little 'relaxed. '

Myself I haven't been to Poseidon in awhile, mostly because for years it was CBJ training. Naturally I suppose this could change at any time (for any of the places mentioned) depending on which cheer guests they have running 'orientation. '

Paul Kausch

05-16-13, 17:10

BBFS is most of these girls 'hail mary. ' It's not like they aren't close to rock bottom as it is so the upside in their minds far outweighs the risk. Not to mention, some girls are high at work, so their judgment might be a little 'relaxed. '

Myself I haven't been to Poseidon in awhile, mostly because for years it was CBJ training. Naturally I suppose this could change at any time (for any of the places mentioned) depending on which cheer guests they have running 'orientation. 'Not quite sure what you mean by "Hail Mary" in this context. I think of a Hail Mary as some sort of desperation attempt that has a low likelihood of success. If this is the case, what are they hoping to gain, pregnancy or contracting a STD? I don't think so. So I may be missing your point.

I've always thought it was because the girls preferred bareback and would engage in it after they were comfortable with the guy. I'm fucking two strippers in South Florida, my current home base, on a regular basis. These girls definitely prefer bareback. They are two young "students" who claim to mainly strip and "only see a couple of client on the side." Okay, whatever. First few times we fucked covered; then once while the three of us were together one of them ripped off my condom and said,"I'm tired of this;" then she got into doggy position and starting to wave her ass from side to side. In the heat of the moment I obliged. While I was pumping away she said something like,"I love the way a big hard dick feels in my pussy." I guess she was talking about my dick, whether or not it resembles that remark. Ever since, both girls, when I'm alone with one or with both of them, go back and forth between wanting to do it covered versus bareback. I attribute the vacillation to having a definite preference for bareback but at the same time being worried about contracting an STD.

We all know some percentage of guys ride bareback, so obviously some of the SW comply. I've always wondered about the dynamics. Is it a tiny (or significant) minority of guys and girls who do it? Is the girls motivation the same as the guys, because it feels better? Or are they hoping for (expecting) a bigger tip? Have the guys offered a big tip for bareback? Is it mainly among couples who are well acquainted? Just curious.

Syzygies

05-16-13, 17:18

DanGood

05-16-13, 20:39

Chacha changed the shop. She is actually at the "Thanks massage parlor" just near Geisha. I'm a regular with her and she gives me an incredible service. She nice and funny. Very good for me, she is one the rare Thai girls loving the big one. If you show her interest and be sweet with her, she get so hot.

Paul Kausch

05-16-13, 23:31

Myself I haven't been to Poseidon in awhile, mostly because for years it was CBJ training. Naturally I suppose this could change at any time (for any of the places mentioned) depending on which cheer guests they have running 'orientation. '
Not really. I haven't been to Poseidon for quite a while either, but did not experience CBJ as normal. Are you talking basic girls or the upstairs "models" that with faces that aren't so special? Last basic girl there I can remember, tried to fuck me in the bath and certainly no condom was handy. I think she was considering trying to get me hooked into seeing her as often as possible.As I mentioned in a previous post, I've always gotten a BBBJ at Poseidon. I generally go with the higher priced fishbowl girls, but have also gotten BBBJs from sideliners. In fact I can't recall ever getting a CBJ from an MP girl, always BBBJ. The only girls who tried to pull a CBJ on me were an occassional BG.

You provide another possible explanation for why a girl would initiate bareback FS, she's trying to set herself apart from the competition. Sounds like for some reason, maybe your good looks and debonair manner, she wanted to hook you by offering you something special.

Firecat

05-17-13, 11:12

Chacha changed the shop. She is actually at the "Thanks .Where did Chacha work before she changed to Thanks?

Member #4387

05-17-13, 12:32

We all know some percentage of guys ride bareback, so obviously some of the SW comply. I've always wondered about the dynamics. Is it a tiny (or significant) minority of guys and girls who do it? Is the girls motivation the same as the guys, because it feels better? Or are they hoping for (expecting) a bigger tip? Have the guys offered a big tip for bareback? Is it mainly among couples who are well acquainted? Just curious.Hello Sir.

You raise an interesting debate and even if I have no business with the MP's what so ever I think I can write my views regarding this in this thread (I do read about you guys MP's experience so I watch whats going on through internet). I am a big fan of going bareback and the girls I meet they tend to go through the sexual ritual without even raising the condom question (ofcourse there are some exceptions). I require use of condoms for Biergarden(BG)girls and for A+ service (some exceptions also here but never with BG girls) but rarerly do I meet girls raising the condom issue. As a sidemark CBJ is totaly out of the question and one time I did have to send a Spasso girl home for wanting this (I rather watch Lucy Thai and have a wank at it).

I have no idea why most of my FL girls don't require the use of condom. Maby my pre interview, which for the great part will consist of creating good chemistry (hardly go through details as in what my expectations are, pricesettings and time) , will have something to do with this. My "interview" is more chitchat like considering the languagebarriers and ofcourse getting the girls a bit tipsy, laugh and have fun as additional important factors. This works for me and maby this is why many girls will do the deed bareback (I for sure don't force them into anything).

Many people will say that FL girls are worse than the "bargirl","gogogirl" (due to not having regular checkups, employment status etc). Many people will even say they are the same girls just met at different hours after their Bar service or GoGo service closes for the night (might be true). I believe my hunting, for the great part, is running in the semi pro P4P. Meaning, if I would trust the girls, the girls have work but do some freelancing every now and then for the extra buck and by this they will run a lower risk in getting STD than a more hardcore P4P FL girl with more customers.

A girl enjoying sex in the first place I believe will have more pleasure, as I do, going bareback. I never discuss the price upfront (as this is a turnoff for me) but I believe girls in some way trust me after working on the chemistry for while. Atleast enough so they expect not to leave emptyhanded. They for sure see me spend a lot of money out there in the clubs so thay know I have it. I don't offer them anything actually and for sure not a bigger tip. But I think I pay girls quite genrously at the end (nothing extreme though). I have shared some girls with a few fellow mongerers inside here (you know who you are) and in some cases the girls did not want to go bareback with them, even no ass play. This means nothing ofcourse but I think it has something to do with chemistry and trust. But ofcourse for people operating differently than me doing all the negotiations on scene before take out (pricesettings, length of stay, bucket list and so on) maby girls react differently? I don't know. It is hard to get exact answers as girls will act differently and if me and paul kausch met the same lady we would have different outcome. I sure do think this is an interesting matter for discussions as I think no one will have the correct answers.

James James

05-17-13, 12:48

Hey everybody,

Can anybody recommend a massage parlor close to any of the two Bangkok airports. Suvarnabhumi or Don Muang?

I'm going on vacation soon and just need a nice massage in between changing airplane. Arriving at 06:00 (from EU) leaving at 11:00 (national).

Looking forward to hear from you guys.

James

Dash Riprock

05-17-13, 13:20

Not quite sure what you mean by "Hail Mary" in this context. I think of a Hail Mary as some sort of desperation attempt that has a low likelihood of success. If this is the case, what are they hoping to gain, pregnancy or contracting a STD? I don't think so. So I may be missing your point.

I've always thought it was because the girls preferred bareback and would engage in it after they were comfortable with the guy. I'm fucking two strippers in South Florida, my current home base, on a regular basis. These girls definitely prefer bareback. They are two young "students" who claim to mainly strip and "only see a couple of client on the side." Okay, whatever. First few times we fucked covered; then once while the three of us were together one of them ripped off my condom and said,"I'm tired of this;" then she got into doggy position and starting to wave her ass from side to side. In the heat of the moment I obliged. While I was pumping away she said something like,"I love the way a big hard dick feels in my pussy." I guess she was talking about my dick, whether or not it resembles that remark. Ever since, both girls, when I'm alone with one or with both of them, go back and forth between wanting to do it covered versus bareback. I attribute the vacillation to having a definite preference for bareback but at the same time being worried about contracting an STD.

We all know some percentage of guys ride bareback, so obviously some of the SW comply. I've always wondered about the dynamics. Is it a tiny (or significant) minority of guys and girls who do it? Is the girls motivation the same as the guys, because it feels better? Or are they hoping for (expecting) a bigger tip? Have the guys offered a big tip for bareback? Is it mainly among couples who are well acquainted? Just curious.Hail mary as in getting guys hooked. Kind of like. See,"you're special, I never go bareback." (translation. This is the first time in a couple of days / today / etc.) For myself, I never pay a premium to get it, in my experience it's more of something they are trying to push to increase their value. They're looking to score too. Whether it's the short game or long game.

Dash Riprock

05-17-13, 13:24

As I mentioned in a previous post, I've always gotten a BBBJ at Poseidon. I generally go with the higher priced fishbowl girls, but have also gotten BBBJs from sideliners. In fact I can't recall ever getting a CBJ from an MP girl, always BBBJ. The only girls who tried to pull a CBJ on me were an occassional BG.

You provide another possible explanation for why a girl would initiate bareback FS, she's trying to set herself apart from the competition. Sounds like for some reason, maybe your good looks and debonair manner, she wanted to hook you by offering you something special.It's the prime directive for a good percentage of girls in this business and women in general. They want to make their lives better.

Nclpimp

05-17-13, 14:01

Here we go:

First of all I want to thank all of you that have helped this BKK newbie with all of your info. I went to cherries soi 24/1 and had the pleasure of spending two hours with apple. She is not the prettiest but does have a nice body and by no means is she ugly. She is light skinned with nice boobs. We started with chit chat I wanted to make her comfortable and after a few moments she invited me to the shower. Very sensual rub and cleaned me very thoroughly.

For the first pop she gave a great BBBJ then it was missionary and for whatever reason her movement, tight pussy, and moans made me cum fast. Like within 10 minutes, which is very fast considering I had been cumming several times a day for 4 days now. She seemed to cum also but maybe she's just a great actress. After she layed me on my chest and gave me an amazing back massage. Not just a rub, but a professional massage. She used to work for a real massage parlor. If interested in that let me know. After about 15 minutes of massage, jr was feeling up to it and round 2 begins.

2nd BBBJ deep, slurps, and great eye contact. I was ready for more tight pussy. Not sure how she must go through 3-4 guys daily. Cover up and After a few minutes doggie I insert my fingers in her ass and she knows what I want. She gets the lube and to town on her ass I go. I pump away doggie then reverse cowgirl until I cum again.

We start looking at pictures, she stars recommending places to visit and we begin making out more. Then another BBBJ then cover up. Start doggie then some more anal and I finish in her mouth. So yes, she ATM. I am sure she didn't swallow but I was exhausted. Quick shower and wobble out, knees weak. She is definitely good at her job highly recommend her. She can be a but chatty so watch out for that.

I fully agree. The two are fantastic but Vodka is not so good. My dream now is to take both together, Apple because she is really sex addicted and Pok for her enthusiasm and nice body. That will be my next visit to Cherry massage.

Paul Kausch

05-18-13, 00:31

It's the prime directive for a good percentage of girls in this business and women in general. They want to make their lives better.
Hail mary as in getting guys hooked. Kind of like. See,"you're special, I never go bareback." (translation. This is the first time in a couple of days / today / etc.) For myself, I never pay a premium to get it, in my experience it's more of something they are trying to push to increase their value. They're looking to score too. Whether it's the short game or long game.Makes sense to me. Clearly, intercourse without a condom feels better for the woman as well as the man, but for an SW I think there has to be another motivation for making it available, and I think it's more available than some guys realize. The girls with the least sinister intentions are just trying to make themselves more endearing to the guy by offering him 'something special. ' The girls who are looking to really take advantage of a guy are thinking ahead and foresee an opportunity to claim a pregnancy and milk that for all its worth. Of course this would only work if the SW thinks the guy is going to stick around or she has some way of contacting him in the future. I almost always wear a condom, though I hate them, but from time to time I will seek the greater pleasure of doing it au naturel.

I once was a Boy Scout and took the motto to "be prepared" to heart. About 30 years ago I had a vasectomy and stopped worrying about pregnancies. I'm also careful not to give an SW my full name and contact information, other than the high-end escorts who require it, but I don't worry about them. Funny, about 10 years ago I was seeing a young lady who was a freebie (other than the dinners, drinks, flowers, gifts, concerts, plays, films, galas, trips and more gifts) semi-regularly, until one day she insisted I got her pregnant. Stupid woman, it was easy to call her bluff and she finally gave up. This was a "learning moment" in my gradual transition from blood sucking non-pros to SWs where the true nature of the transaction is above board and more transparent.

Paul Kausch

05-18-13, 01:08

The other was a Thai girl I met online so I had to put in leg work before my trip. DIA works for freebies sometimes. I took her to lunch terminal 21 then back to htl for 2 times mid afternoon. Even offered bareback.
I am a big fan of going bareback and the girls I meet they tend to go through the sexual ritual without even raising the condom question (ofcourse there are some exceptions).

I have no idea why most of my FL girls don't require the use of condom. Maby my pre interview, which for the great part will consist of creating good chemistry (hardly go through details as in what my expectations are, pricesettings and time.

I believe my hunting, for the great part, is running in the semi pro P4P.

A girl enjoying sex in the first place I believe will have more pleasure, as I do, going bareback.

I don't know. It is hard to get exact answers as girls will act differently and if me and paul kausch met the same lady we would have different outcome. I sure do think this is an interesting matter for discussions as I think no one will have the correct answers.While the semipro FL are looking for money, I think they also enjoy the sex. I'd put the strippers I'm seeing now in this category. They make their living stripping and based on their sexual performance I can tell they are not hard core pros; and I can tell they really love to fuck; and if they can make a little extra money on the side, all the better. Because enjoyment is part of the equation, they prefer bareback for the same reason we do, it feels better and it's nice not to have to screw around with a condom. Bad pun.

I've never used a condom with a freebie. Off the top of my head I can only think of one who even brought it up. But that was long ago before my memory became feeble and clouded. Freebies cost too much, in time and money, to mess around with a condom. Maybe I'm lucky but I've never contracted an STD, though the freebies I've seen were very, very low risk. I'm not including the girls I've picked up at a bar for a one night stand. I didn't always use a condom with these either. It tended to depend on whether I had any at home or in my hotel room and was sober enough to think to use one. As near as I can remember it wasn't an issue with these ladies either, though they were generally at least as drunk as I was. With these I guess I was lucky. On my last trip to Bangkok I met a semipro FL whom I fucked twice. I wrote about her in one of my first posts. First time she asked me to use a condom. I complied, though I was confident I could have easily talked her out of it. Second time she didn't mention it. Maybe she assumed I would use one as I had the first time; but my hunch was she would have been okay with bareback the second time.

In a nutshell, I think bareback is readily available except from the high-end escorts. If like me you've had a vasectomy, I can't think of any risks other than STDs. Considering how much more pleasurable it is to go bareback, I can understand why some guys do it. It's always a temptation for me. I often think on my next trip I'm going to stock up on antibiotics before the trip, take a daily dose for the duration of the trip and take my chances. Then I think twice. Who knows what I'll conclude if I think third time.

Dan7373

05-18-13, 09:23

In a nutshell, I think bareback is readily available except from the high-end escorts. If like me you've had a vasectomy, I can't think of any risks other than STDs. Considering how much more pleasurable it is to go bareback, I can understand why some guys do it. It's always a temptation for me. I often think on my next trip I'm going to stock up on antibiotics before the trip, take a daily dose for the duration of the trip and take my chances. Then I think twice. Who knows what I'll conclude if I think third time.Some STDs, such as Gonorrhea, are becoming resistant to antibiotics, especially in a place like Thailand. And antibiotics don't work against viruses, such as HIV, Herpes, and HPV.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317690/Doctors-warn-antibiotic-resistant-strain-gonorrhea-worse-AIDS.html

Also, not every antibiotic works well against Syphilis. You need to know which one to use, or else it won't work.

I think you are asking for health trouble, when you don't use condoms. And you also put the lady and her other customers at risk of serious health problems. This isn't an ethical thing for you or anyone else to do. Because you are potentially harming others and not just yourself.

Scorchin

05-18-13, 10:48

In a nutshell, I think bareback is readily available except from the high-end escorts. If like me you've had a vasectomy, I can't think of any risks other than STDs. Considering how much more pleasurable it is to go bareback, I can understand why some guys do it. It's always a temptation for me. I often think on my next trip I'm going to stock up on antibiotics before the trip, take a daily dose for the duration of the trip and take my chances. Then I think twice. Who knows what I'll conclude if I think third time.Only a fool would 'stock up on antibiotics' and use them indiscriminately without proper diagnosis, tests and identification of the correct specific anti-biotic needed.

Part of the problem with the declining effectiveness is directly attributable to both doctors freely prescribing antibiotics and patients demanding them.

You are just compounding the problem. And when you really need anti-biotics for a serious complaint your profligacy will mean that they won't work.

Protect yourself and consider others.

Syzygies

05-18-13, 12:06

Revisited June at Snow White. Apparently she has been back about 2 months. June says the competition at SW is much stronger now with several very young girls with hot bodies. In early days used to be packed with rather plain girls.

However it seems that 80% of the girls have fake noses or fake tits or both. I like that June is all natural. A couple of others looked good to me.

During DATY, she asked me how many times I should make her cum. Ha Ha."Completely up to her". Just once during the DATY after only a medium duration, and I know she doesn't like to make it too many times as complains will be tired.

June suggested I should do her back-door, which was a big shock. She was never an anal type girl in her early days and I have never asked for it at all. Still we had a go at it to please her and it went well. I still changed the condom and did her pussy later, which I still prefer, although her a-hole maybe tighter and very tight at the start. As had plenty of time, we had a 2nd round after a little relaxation.

At the 7-11 store at Soi 33, I was surprised to see a very pretty girl with Farang, about 5' 10 in 2 inch heals. Figure was not specially curvy. Had big fake eyelashes, white skin and very cute nose. I had to assume was a lady-boy 70% chance, but still surprised by the pretty face that put doubts in my mind. Didn't hear her speak, so could not be sure either way. Many times we suspect but sometimes the correct answer is not completely obvious. Its wise to be suspicious though.

Run Mann

05-18-13, 13:17

Paul Kausch

05-18-13, 15:50

Some STDs, such as Gonorrhea, are becoming resistant to antibiotics, especially in a place like Thailand. And antibiotics don't work against viruses, such as HIV, Herpes, and HPV.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317690/Doctors-warn-antibiotic-resistant-strain-gonorrhea-worse-AIDS.html

Also, not every antibiotic works well against Syphilis. You need to know which one to use, or else it won't work.

I think you are asking for health trouble, when you don't use condoms. And you also put the lady and her other customers at risk of serious health problems. This isn't an ethical thing for you or anyone else to do. Because you are potentially harming others and not just yourself.Dan,

I appreciate your post; and I am well aware of the problem with drug restrain strains of bacterium. First week of May I posted an excerpt from an article about this problem.

The facts are, other than BBBJs, I have never had bareback sex with anyone SW, semi-pro or non-pro on any of my trips to Thailand or anywhere else outside of the United States, with the exception of a young lady I was seeing in Semarang (Indonesia) on a regular basis over a period of a couple of years. In contrast, when I was younger and still dating (or picking up) non-pros in the United States I wore a condom something approaching one percent of the time. This was over a period of about forty years and with a couple hundred or more different ladies. Right now I'm fucking two strippers, usually protected but a couple of times bareback at their initiative. I've never contracted an STD in my life.

I'm genuinely curious why SWs would engage in bareback sex.

From a purely hedonistic perspective I understand why both men and women prefer bareback sex. It feels much better. In fact I read recently that the Gates Foundation has identified one of the leading problems getting people to use condoms in Africa is the lack of condoms that do not greatly diminish sexual pleasure. Apparently the Foundation is supporting the development of products that address this problem. I have also read some 'interested parties' are appalled that the Gates Foundation is doing this.

I wonder if priests wear condoms when they're buggering the altar boys. That's right they're good Catholics.

It seems to me the risk-reward ratio for an SW to fuck bareback is not very favorable. So I'm curious about their motivations.

I'm not going to chastise men who ride bareback. I understand why they do it; they know the risks and my preaching will have no impact.

As for my actions, I'm genuinely conflicted. Now that all my sex is with SWs, I feel the urge to go bareback; but I restrain myself, with the exception of literally a couple of lapses.

I have sex purely for the physical gratification. Condoms reduce the risk of contracting STDs but diminish the pleasure of sex. I think it's a dilemma.

RBDave

05-18-13, 16:09

In a nutshell, I think bareback is readily available except from the high-end escorts. If like me you've had a vasectomy, I can't think of any risks other than STDs. Considering how much more pleasurable it is to go bareback, I can understand why some guys do it. It's always a temptation for me. I often think on my next trip I'm going to stock up on antibiotics before the trip, take a daily dose for the duration of the trip and take my chances. Then I think twice. Who knows what I'll conclude if I think third time.This post should probably be in General, and not MPs.

I would not bother stocking up in advance. Just wait for when you get to there, much easier and cheaper to get in Thailand.

And for everyone's information, you can get some STDs from BBBJ, not just BBFS. This is especially true at some places like a BJ bar where it is possible the girl still has some remnants of fluid in her throat. So she might not even have anything, but still may be passing it on to the next guy. Sadly, this is not second or third hand information.

So if you are doing BBBJ, you already are taking some risks. This is a risk I'm personally willing to accept, because the difference between CBJ and BBBJ is too great.

Syzygies

05-18-13, 17:06

And for everyone's information, you can get some STDs from BBBJ, not just BBFS. This is especially true at some places like a BJ bar where it is possible the girl still has some remnants of fluid in her throat. So she might not even have anything, but still may be passing it on to the next guy. Sadly, this is not second or third hand information.Sure, but its a case of weighing up the relative risks. BBBJ is far less likely. I believe I probably caught Chlamydia once from a BBBJ, but that is once in how many BBBJs? Many hundreds. If you fuck a girl BB with Chlamydia or Gonnoreah you will probably catch it. My buddy caught one within first week of arriving in Thailand from BBFS. Relatively quick.

Maxkwalat

05-19-13, 05:04

Dan,

I appreciate your post; and I am well aware of the problem with drug restrain strains of bacterium. First week of May I posted an excerpt from an article about this problem.

The facts are, other than BBBJs, I have never had bareback sex with anyone SW, semi-pro or non-pro on any of my trips to Thailand or anywhere else outside of the United States, with the exception of a young lady I was seeing in Semarang (Indonesia) on a regular basis over a period of a couple of years. In contrast, when I was younger and still dating (or picking up) non-pros in the United States I wore a condom something approaching one percent of the time. This was over a period of about forty years and with a couple hundred or more different ladies. Right now I'm fucking two strippers, usually protected but a couple of times bareback at their initiative. I've never contracted an STD in my life.

I'm genuinely curious why SWs would engage in bareback sex.

From a purely hedonistic perspective I understand why both men and women prefer bareback sex. It feels much better. In fact I read recently that the Gates Foundation has identified one of the leading problems getting people to use condoms in Africa is the lack of condoms that do not greatly diminish sexual pleasure. Apparently the Foundation is supporting the development of products that address this problem. I have also read some 'interested parties' are appalled that the Gates Foundation is doing this.

I wonder if priests wear condoms when they're buggering the altar boys. That's right they're good Catholics.

It seems to me the risk-reward ratio for an SW to fuck bareback is not very favorable. So I'm curious about their motivations.

I'm not going to chastise men who ride bareback. I understand why they do it; they know the risks and my preaching will have no impact.

As for my actions, I'm genuinely conflicted. Now that all my sex is with SWs, I feel the urge to go bareback; but I restrain myself, with the exception of literally a couple of lapses.

I have sex purely for the physical gratification. Condoms reduce the risk of contracting STDs but diminish the pleasure of sex. I think it's a dilemma.This may sound silly but I think EtOH is a contributing factor to BBFS

Dan7373

05-19-13, 10:51

As for my actions, I'm genuinely conflicted. Now that all my sex is with SWs, I feel the urge to go bareback; but I restrain myself, with the exception of literally a couple of lapses.

I have sex purely for the physical gratification. Condoms reduce the risk of contracting STDs but diminish the pleasure of sex. I think it's a dilemma.People often choose short-term pleasure now at the expense of long-term pain later. That's why some people run up huge credit card debts and then suffer for years trying to repay them and their 20% per year interest.

It's the same as with repeatedly choosing to have extra pleasant sex without condoms, and then suffering from some STDs that are difficult or impossible to cure. And you've got to remember that many STDs often don't show any signs for a long time. They can quietly ruin your health, without you being aware of it. And by the time you become aware, then the damage is already irreversible, even if you cure the disease.

Many people don't care about their future as much as they care about their present. And that's why they are willing to suffer so much pain for so little gain.

Scorchin

05-19-13, 11:45

This may sound silly but I think EtOH is a contributing factor to BBFSC2H5OH- the cause of many an unintended action not only in an MP but everywhere.

Bartchamdo

05-21-13, 10:15

Syzygies

05-21-13, 17:32

I emailed Mango yesterday to make a booking for today. They got back to me promptly and confirmed the lady was available. But when I showed up today they had no record of it. They explained to me that the cashier was on holiday and so no one checked email. I guess no one else knows how to check email or they just don't care enough to do so? So be warned that the person who replies to your email about appointments isn't the one who actually writes down the information in the appointment book. If you want to book I'd recommend you phone them or just show up in person.Many places are too chaotic to handle email well (not all). Anyway anytime you make a booking before the actual day, you want to ring them at least 1 hour before, preferrably 2, to reconfirm. This allows them to know you haven't changed your mind, and allows them to tell you, sorry the girl is not really available for one reason or another, or they know nothing about your booking.

Nothing is absolutely guaranteed. Sometimes the person agreeing to a booking hasn't properly checked. Have turned up to a place after making telephone booking only to be told the girl is away on take out. Was #28 at another place. Best to make sure talking to someone in authority when making a booking, e. G. The mamasan rather than someone minding the phone.

Soapies have varied policies. At some, a current guest cannot extend if the girl is already booked by someone else. At others they are permitted to extend despite the booking. Maybe this depends on the status of the particular persons. Thai customer may get treated better than Farang.

Fast Eddie 48

05-22-13, 00:33

LaDefense is a bit more down market comparatively, but that's not important of course if you find what you like. Some guys would swear by Annie's or Darling, but for myself, those 'women' look an awful lot like 'men. ' To each his own, eh?

As for BBBJ's. Yeah, LaDefense, Catherine, Tarawadee, Emmanuelle, Copa Cabana, Amsterdam, Long Beach, Caesar's, Colonze 1, 2.4 (the Office) , are all standard training there it seems.

Utopia, Nataree, and LaBelle are CBJ in their training.

That said, once you're a regular with any girl, any notion of hygiene seems to disappear awfully quick, especially if you top off the first session with a generous tip. It's an awfully short road to uncovered FS if you're not too careful. Also, I suppose if you got a scarred diseased looking schlong. Your results may vary as well. She might put on a rubber and rubber gloves.Dash Riprock,

I have not been to La Defense for over a yr they do have hot model sideliner 2700 bht and ask for a VIP room but service is just so so and Catherine entertaiment is just a few door down service is better there 2 hr and 2 shots BBBJ 1700 bht for blue tag good serivce to sideliner 2600 bht but new girl some only do CBJ, this place is mostly local Thai monger little know to tourist Rama 9 near royal pacific hotel.

Fast Eddie 48

Meryl

05-22-13, 14:03

I have sex purely for the physical gratification. Condoms reduce the risk of contracting STDs but diminish the pleasure of sex. I think it's a dilemma.It does diminish the feeling, but isn't that an advantage, at least when you have plenty of time? I certainly can fuck a lot longer with a condom than without. And unless you don't enjoy the sex but only the coming part of it, why not have sex for longer, rather than coming after a few minutes?

I went to Snow White last week and had two hours with Cherry (very nice body by the way, but does not like kissing). And thanks to the condoms I was able to fuck her for at least one hour out of the two.

Paul Kausch

05-22-13, 15:07

It does diminish the feeling, but isn't that an advantage, at least when you have plenty of time? I certainly can fuck a lot longer with a condom than without. And unless you don't enjoy the sex but only the coming part of it, why not have sex for longer, rather than coming after a few minutes?

I went to Snow White last week and had two hours with Cherry (very nice body by the way, but does not like kissing). And thanks to the condoms I was able to fuck her for at least one hour out of the two.When I was young this was an advantage to wearing a condom. By middle age this was no longer a problem. I could control when I came and fuck for fifteen minutes before coming or an hour or more as I (and my partner) preferred. Now that I am in my senior years it can take a long time to come, sometimes a very long time. Viagra compounds this problem because with it I can fuck and fuck and fuck without losing my erection. I can maintain it for as long as it takes to come. Unfortunately, when I'm wearing a condom sometimes I simply run out of gas before I come, still have a raging erection and now its up to the girl to finish me off. The good ones are fine with this, but after I come often say,"only one time for you!" The bad ones complain about me taking too long. I'm not advocating bareback. Just stating that it is a dilemma for this old guy.

BigWorld

05-22-13, 16:45

The best part of Snow white girls is they show 5 condoms and now your power how many you can use out of 2 hrs.

It does diminish the feeling, but isn't that an advantage, at least when you have plenty of time? I certainly can fuck a lot longer with a condom than without. And unless you don't enjoy the sex but only the coming part of it, why not have sex for longer, rather than coming after a few minutes?

I went to Snow White last week and had two hours with Cherry (very nice body by the way, but does not like kissing). And thanks to the condoms I was able to fuck her for at least one hour out of the two.

Syzygies

05-22-13, 18:38

Unfortunately, when I'm wearing a condom sometimes I simply run out of gas before I come, still have a raging erection and now its up to the girl to finish me off. The good ones are fine with this, but after I come often say,"only one time for you!" The bad ones complain about me taking too long. I'm not advocating bareback. Just stating that it is a dilemma for this old guy.Paul,

I take a tag team of 2 girls often, as it means that I get to fuck much longer without either of them having to take the full duration. It also means I get enhanced feeling. While I am DATYing a girl sitting on my face, another can be doing my dick. I can get dual BJ, one doing normal BJ and other licking the balls. I get to kiss two girls concurrently. I get to finger one while fucking the other. I gets balls beautifully massaged throughout a screwing.

When you have two girls that are comfortable together and even happy to lick each others pussies, it can be a great experience. Even 3 girls can be workable and have not yet tried 4.

I don't like the Eden style of tag team which seems too scripted. No dildos needed either. They get enough real dick.

If I had the time to do many girls serially in one day, it might be better, but I generally need a reasonable recovery time before the next pop. The girls that can get two pops out of me need in a 2 hour session to be very talented and there are not so many of those. I suppose would be good chance without condom and certainly possibly with very good BBBJ.

Traveler1234

05-22-13, 19:44

When I was young this was an advantage to wearing a condom.

Now that I am in my senior years it can take a long time to come, sometimes a very long time.Ironic, how things just change with age. It was not that long ago when two pops was still not a problem in two hours. Happens to all of us!
;)

Paul Kausch

05-22-13, 21:43

Paul,

I take a tag team of 2 girls often, as it means that I get to fuck much longer without either of them having to take the full duration. It also means I get enhanced feeling. While I am DATYing a girl sitting on my face, another can be doing my dick. I can get dual BJ, one doing normal BJ and other licking the balls. I get to kiss two girls concurrently. I get to finger one while fucking the other. I gets balls beautifully massaged throughout a screwing.

When you have two girls that are comfortable together and even happy to lick each others pussies, it can be a great experience. Even 3 girls can be workable and have not yet tried 4.

I don't like the Eden style of tag team which seems too scripted. No dildos needed either. They get enough real dick.

If I had the time to do many girls serially in one day, it might be better, but I generally need a reasonable recovery time before the next pop. The girls that can get two pops out of me need in a 2 hour session to be very talented and there are not so many of those. I suppose would be good chance without condom and certainly possibly with very good BBBJ.Syzygies,

I think you are absolutely right. I love a threesome with two ladies who are comfortable together. It does spread the load. Haha! You are absolutely right the extra attention the second lady can provide helps get me off. For example I love to get rimmed by one girl while I'm fucking the other doggy. Or to have the girls in a 69 position while I fuck the one with her ass in the air. When I get tired of pumping I can just pull my cock out and have the girl on her back give me a BJ. I've never done more than two at a time, but someday may try three. I also think an MMFFFF or MMMFFFFFF menagerie would be interesting, though thinking about it makes me realize I may be a bit homophobic.

I completely agree with you, an overly scripted threesome is a disappointment, but I think two girls that don't work together and don't get into any lesbian action are an even bigger disappointment.

I also have a long recovery time. In the last couple of months I've been with two girls with whom I feel comfortable going bareback. Once I managed two pops over the course of about three hours. That's unusual for me. Frankly, I'm happy with one good pop after an hour or two of great sex, finished off with a little fooling around that does not lead to another pop. I don't think I could manage two pops with a condom. Maybe if the second was from a BBBJ by a very skilled girl. Good BBBJ skills are an ability that gets more important as I grow older.

Thanks for sharing your thought.

TimTimGuy

05-23-13, 06:42

The best part of Snow white girls is they show 5 condoms and now your power how many you can use out of 2 hrs.Hmmm. I'm not sure that the *best* part of those PYTs is showing us condoms! But I think I know where they got that idea. The proprietress tried that "show- 5- condoms" trick with me, oh-so-many-years ago when she was still at Tulip. We never got past 4, it took all afternoon, and that was a "personal best" for TTG!

Dash Riprock

05-24-13, 09:03

Dash Riprock,

I have not been to La Defense for over a yr they do have hot model sideliner 2700 bht and ask for a VIP room but service is just so so and Catherine entertaiment is just a few door down service is better there 2 hr and 2 shots BBBJ 1700 bht for blue tag good serivce to sideliner 2600 bht but new girl some only do CBJ, this place is mostly local Thai monger little know to tourist Rama 9 near royal pacific hotel.

Fast Eddie 48Yeah, I like both places okay. Catherine usually has 'fresher' girls. The mirrors on the ceiling are fun too.

Dan7373

05-24-13, 13:24

The best part of Snow white girls is they show 5 condoms and now your power how many you can use out of 2 hrs.Yes, the 5-condom challenge from a pretty young lady is the stuff most men only dream of. It's a hot invitation for some pretty good penetration that lasts for a long time.

I don't necessarily want to cum 5 times. But I do want to blow off my first cum with the pretty young lady quickly and efficiently, get it over with, and then take my time inside her for a long, pleasant ride with her.

It's hard to be patient with the pretty young lady, when you are doing her for your first cum. You feel the biological urge to go on a fucking splurge and deposit your cum inside her as soon as you can. But once the lady has some of your cum, then your biological priorities change. You enjoy more bonding with her and staying inside her for a long time. I think this is normal male biology, and this is how it works best for men in terms of pleasure and enjoyment. But unfortunately, a lot of ladies never let their guys go with them beyond their first stage of sexual enjoyment, which is their first cum.

When you are doing your lady for your second or third time, then you no longer feel the urge to do her hard and fast. You can take your time with her and be the porn stud with her. Even staying inside her for a long time and banging her just enough to maintain your erection is a pleasure in itself. You can massage her body, suck her nipples and play with her tits, and even masturbate her clit with your fingers, depending on your position with her during your leisurely ride with her.

You can probably make any young lady orgasm with you by taking her pussy in the reverse-cowgirl position and masturbating her clit with your hand between her legs during the ride. This kind of thing is pretty hard for a guy to do, when he is doing the lady for his first cum. Because he feels the urge to go on a fucking splurge. He doesn't have the patience to take his time with her. But doing the pretty lady for your second or third cum is a different story. You can bang her just enough to stay hard inside her and have some fun making her cum by masturbating her clit with your hand.

A young lady's orgasmic pussy contractions all over your cock is a real pleasure in itself. It's not the kind of thing you would care much about, when you are doing the lady for your first cum. But this is the kind of experience you really enjoy having, when you are working on your second or third cum with her.

The 5-condom challenge from every pretty young lady, who goes with you, makes Snow White Massage one of the best compared to the rest.

AntiKlpd

05-24-13, 15:09

Went to the famous dr BJ in sokhumvit soi 7. They had two outlets one for just BBBJ and cim, the other one for a nuru massage. This report deals with the nuru massage. Selected a lovely innocent looking girl whose photo I have attached. She looks much better in real life. Her name was kha if I got it correct.

The rooms are pretty average not like annies, but the girl and service was topclass. Had one hour of nuru massage, two rounds of hard sex with BBBJ interspersed. The girl was one of the best I have experienced in Thailand, seemed really fresh and innocent. Very GFE and seemed to genuinely enjoy the sex.

Did not want to leave until the bell rang, she had a small kid tucked somewhere in Thailand as well.

Damage 2000 baht for 1 hour

AwiBkk

05-25-13, 03:19

The best part of Snow white girls is they show 5 condoms and now your power how many you can use out of 2 hrs.I would love to get some names to challenge that offer 555.

Are all the girls there offer 5 pop chance?

BigWorld

05-25-13, 09:56

I am an Indian and Nana of SW showed me 5 condoms. I was moved since mostly any girls offer 2 shots.

I was really enjoying that evening with her fucking a hot lady like Nana 5 times. Note she worked with me so well to raise my johny with extra care using her lips / pussylips and tounge.

I would love to get some names to challenge that offer 555.

Are all the girls there offer 5 pop chance?

BkkMick

05-25-13, 17:37

Apple has had an outstanding career and reputation. However, the reputation of being a superstar is beginning to wear on her. Reminds me of Madeline Kahn in "Blazing Saddles" where she performs "I'm Tired". See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uai7M4RpoLU

Please use, but don't abuse. Handle with care!Apple is one of the nicest girls I have met here in Bangkok. After a first wonderful ST at the shop I prefer her coming to my place. Besides terrific sex we also talk and I know she trusts me and tells me about her life and her work. She genuinely likes sex and I am usually totally finished after a night or longer with her. At the same time I know she has been handled very roughly lately and last week outright cheated by some Indonesian guy out of her money. She also has taken some serious anal abuse from guys that think 3 fingers up her bum is a big turn on for her. Between sex we cuddle, eat and watch movies and she has the chance to be herself. Treat her well and you will have to go a long way to find such a mixture of GFE with serious PSE mixed in. Don't ruin her!

AwiBkk

05-26-13, 00:18

Apple is one of the nicest girls I have met here in Bangkok. After a first wonderful ST at the shop I prefer her coming to my place. Besides terrific sex we also talk and I know she trusts me and tells me about her life and her work. She genuinely likes sex and I am usually totally finished after a night or longer with her. At the same time I know she has been handled very roughly lately and last week outright cheated by some Indonesian guy out of her money. She also has taken some serious anal abuse from guys that think 3 fingers up her bum is a big turn on for her. Between sex we cuddle, eat and watch movies and she has the chance to be herself. Treat her well and you will have to go a long way to find such a mixture of GFE with serious PSE mixed in. Don't ruin her!I can understand what you are saying but understand this. Most of the guys are not looking for that kind of relationship with a p4p girl as you describe it. On the other hand there is no need for being an animal and abuse the lady although I do think she should just refuse nicely to any offer she's not comfortable with.

I always have lots of fun with almost any girl as I'm more shy then their average customers. That's my game I guess and most of the time I'm not being less treated per say. But from here until going to watch a movie with p4p girls that only waiting for my money just seems impossible for me. It's a trade. Both the lady and the gent' entered with their eyes open & everybody gets what they wished for in end.

MichelinBoy88

05-26-13, 01:05

Flew in to Bangkok on Friday on a short layover only to find out it was a holiday so all the bars (if not most) are closed. It was a bummer considering it was already 10pm when I landed. Thankfully Cherry Massage was still open and book Pat for an overnight. She didn't quite look like the pictures on the website but she wasn't bad to look at either.

Not sure what to expect from her, I opened the door and made small talk. Lets just say I wasn't making much progress and had to talk slowly in English to communicate. Well, that wasn't a problem bc she insisted we take a shower and get the show on the road. Who was I to argue, right? Off to the shower and she was already getting frisky. She had a small scar on her stomach but that didn't stop the little man from swinging to attention which she kept tugging. She was wet and moaning with me fingering her and if it was acting, she was damn good. As her moans became more vocal and DFK got more intense, I stuck a finger up her brown pucker and wow. Did she just go wild. I'm not a 3-hole man but I like to stick my finger up theirs once in awhile. When she stopped shaking she got down and gave me a very wet and warm sloppy BBBJ. She was a real trooper and even tried to deep throat which at one point I went too far and she started gagging. I was apologizing but she just kept going until I blew my load. This was shaping up to be a great GFE / PSE wrapped up in one.

We dried off and she pretty much mauled me on the bed. When she came, she always squinched her eyes and her hands gripped whatever she had her hands on pretty tight. She was a trooper and insisted I keep going until I came. We went at it like animals in different positions until I finally went over the edge. She was out of breath and we talked for awhile. She gives a pretty decent massage and while she was massaging my chest we starting kissing and that started round 2. Round 2 shaped up to be as crazy as the first with us using every corner of the bed and her urging me to really give it to her. After the second round we were both exhausted so we dozed off and took a nap. At some point in the night the little one came to life while I was still fast asleep and woke her from her slumber. Next thing I know, she was between my legs at it again. My god, she just doesn't quit. Took a look at the clock and had 2 hours before I head for the airport so I figure one more for good measure. I will definitely ask for her again on a layover in Bangkok!

Looks: 7/10.

Performance: 10/10

BionicMan

05-26-13, 12:51

i can understand what you are saying but understand this. most of the guys are not looking for that kind of relationship with a p4p girl as you describe it.lets put it like this. as a basic fact we pay the girls for (both) their time and their bodies. it is a bit harsh, but that is a bottom line. we wear their bodies more than we steal their time. anyone prefers to be paid for time only, not for time and services, whatever these are. even more if the reward is the same. some smart girls understand this and "our weakness" (for some this is also a physical fact, cannot f*all time, be it two hours or one day) , so they indulge and provide the gfe. same income and more time spent with no wearing off their body.

this eventually includes time at dinner, movies or just cuddling in a bed. a win-win situation for both, the girl and the man.

the girl might even be smarter and expect a bit less "per hour" but also not getting her y too much worn out. and at the turn of the 24hrs earning even a bit more than summing up improbable or not guaranteed st.

do you want to rent your car at 1$ per mile at maximum speed for 10 miles (pse) or 50 cents per hour / mile where you are asked to drive only a couple of miles at speed and then just park it there for 24hrs available for the renter but actually not used (fs+gfe)?

each one has his choices and preferences of course.

but as you are the car provider (wg) you don't want to ruin or wear off your car.

if you set a mileage limit to change your car at 10, 000 miles in the first case the occurrence will happen pretty quick. in the second it will take a far more time.

the girls collecting a sequence of st's will certainly wear off their pussies much earlier than a gfe provider and will have a shorter working life. a gfe provider might work for much longer time.

NicFrenchy

05-26-13, 13:35

At the same time I know she has been handled very roughly lately. She also has taken some serious anal abuse from guys that think 3 fingers up her bum is a big turn on for herYes, I have had the same kind of "Pillow talk with some Tulip and Mango Girls back in the day when I was going to these places. Unfortunately, she is part of a select few Massage parlors that pride themselves in including everything to make their customers happy and sometimes customers take this too literally.

Some fuckers think they can get away by being violent, abusive and inflicting pain (physical) to the girls. Thankfully, these assholes are a minority, but they do exist, and probably some of these psychos are roaming this forum.

One of the main reason why I no longer share details and names here in the open.

and last week outright cheated by some Indonesian guy out of her money.These things happen unfortunately. With the job these girls are doing, and even though massage places try to make it so that people pay everything they owe, you can't be immune to some dishonest guys. Cheats will always find ways to rob.

The only thing she can do is pray that one day this guy will be back in the shop or that he gets his turn (bad karma). Sad, but that happens on a daily basis unfortunately.

Syzygies

05-26-13, 13:42

Anyone prefers to be paid for time only, not for time and services, whatever these are. Even more if the reward is the same. Some smart girls understand this and "our weakness" (for some this is also a physical fact, cannot f*all time, be it two hours or one day) , so they indulge and provide the GFE. Same income and more time spent with no wearing off their body.A little difficult to understand what you write although I think I get it in the end.

I think you are using GFE in a non-traditional sense. PSE and GFE are normally applied to the style of sexual service for a short time sex experience of 1 hour or more. Okay Maybe we are not strictly going at it for the entire duration. GFE means that during sex the girl is able to make you feel that she is not just following a professional procedure and is really trying to give you a good time, and is as good as any GF on the bed or better.

What you do with a girl in non-sex time is hardly relevant to the term GFE. Apart from this I am probably agreeing with you.

Many girls do only ST. Maybe they fear being being fucked repeatedly all night, or maybe they just have other things to better do with their time than staying with a customer. Perhaps time is valuable to some girls, where you seem to suggest otherwise.

I see a definite mismatch between what guys want to pay for LT, often less than double the short time fee, and how many rounds they want to get in. Any very popular girl can make more money from several STs on a Saturday night than doing LT. So why wouldn't she take STs unless she knows the LT guy will pay well and not fuck so much, allowing her a reasonable sleep and rest?

I took a popular girl ST and released her just after 9PM. She could easily get 2 more STs in and make a very nice total (or 1 more ST followed by a LT).

Syzygies

05-26-13, 13:50

The only thing she can do is pray that one day this guy will be back in the shop or that he gets his turn (bad karma). Sad, but that happens on a daily basis unfortunately.Nic, Sounds like you have become a Buddhist, LOL?

Your behaviour will now be perfect, for fear of coming back as a dog or mosquito in the next life. Or the fires of Narok (hell).

Bar and MP girls should all go to heaven for having put up with all the customers, good or bad.

BionicMan

05-26-13, 16:02

A little difficult to understand what you write although I think I get it in the end.You might want to appreciate that english is not my mother language, and then each one opinion might match, might not match at all or can have some common points. As somehow this case. Cheers.

BkkMick

05-26-13, 18:25

You might want to appreciate that english is not my mother language, and then each one opinion might match, might not match at all or can have some common points. As somehow this case. Cheers.I am an ESL myself but I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. Ultimately it is all a matter of perspective and what suits you. Here is Thailand we are in a candy store and like to gorge ourselves on everything that is available. The price of a night here in Bangkok does not even get you an hour with a half way decent hooker in New York. So I don't care if she is taking a little easier. The days where I needed the sex olympics are over for me and I enjoy taking my own time. I enjoy the luxury of having the girl well rested and relaxed for myself than being number 10 in line when she is already having a sore pussy. Particularly an SW as Apple that is high in demand gets overused and if you look at my initial posting I was commenting on a previous post that said her popularity is wearing her out. I am not naive to see a deep relationship in this but the time I spend with her is mine and by having a trusted customer relationship gives me fringe benefits which I appreciate. I also know that when there are multiple requests for her I am pretty high on the pecking order. When I first came to Bangkok 30 years ago, the service the girls from Mango or Cherry give were the norm. Now it is getting less and less. So my point is look after the girls that are still giving decent service and appreciate them.

Syzygies

05-27-13, 10:48

You might want to appreciate that english is not my mother language.Yes that explains my slight difficultly to see the point, although usually your English is so good that I didn't notice anything strange before, and could be even better than some native English speakers like myself, who may tend to write "Near English", leaving out many words and spelling poorly and having spelling destroyed by the Auto-corrector.

The other day I wrote "Wat" meaning temple and the spelling corrector rewrote it as "What". I wish we could turn the spelling corrector off or have it merely suggest. I had to re-edit back to Wat just now even despite the quote marks

NicFrenchy

05-27-13, 10:58

Nic, Sounds like you have become a Buddhist, LOL?

Your behaviour will now be perfect, for fear of coming back as a dog or mosquito in the next life. Or the fires of Narok (hell).Nah, I'm still a devout Atheist and couldn't give less than a shit what form I come back as. I plan on living this life for what it is and not in fear of the unknown once I'm dead.

Having been here almost a decade, working, I kinda know this side of the "Thai ways" (somehow, since we both know Farangs will never fuly understand thais, even though we like to think we do).

Bar and MP girls should all go to heaven for having put up with all the customers, good or bad.Now now, shouldn't it be the other way around? WE should go to Heaven (assuming there is such a place) for supporting these girls and their Fatherless kids.

Goatscrot

05-27-13, 11:00

Nah, I'm still a devout Atheist and couldn't give less than a shit what form I come back as. I plan on living this life for what it is and not in fear of the unknown once I'm dead.

Having been here almost a decade, working, I kinda know this side of the "Thai ways" (somehow, since we both know Farangs will never fuly understand thais, even though we like to think we do).

Now now, shouldn't it be the other way around? WE should go to Heaven (assuming there is such a place) for supporting these girls and their Fatherless kids.Nic, as usual, agree with you 100% They should be grateful.

Syzygies

05-27-13, 11:07

Now now, shouldn't it be the other way around? WE should go to Heaven (assuming there is such a place) for supporting these girls and their Fatherless kids.Yes, it really should be both ways. I support many fatherless kids, so that makes me a saint! LOL
I try not to support too much substance abuse, by doing mainly good girls.

One of my favourite fun bargirls recently became a mother (to a Thai) and has given up Ice, smoking, hopefully gambling and drink, etc. so has done some good.

NicFrenchy

05-27-13, 13:49

Yes, it really should be both ways. I support many fatherless kids, so that makes me a saint! LOLFrom what I read, you take them by 2 or 3 so that makes you 2 or 3 times more of a saint than the rest of us. Maybe the 72 Virgins will be waiting for you! But then again, who would want frigid Virgins that don't even know what a dick is LOL

BionicMan

05-27-13, 22:58

Yes that explains my slight difficultly to see the point, although usually your English is so good that I didn't notice anything strange before, and could be even better than some native English speakers like myself, who may tend to write "Near English", leaving out many words and spelling poorly and having spelling destroyed by the Auto-corrector.It is also true sometime we find hard to express a concept even in our mother language, and that has nothing to so with the grammar or spelling. That coils have been the case. You have it in your mind but cannot get it through.

Didn't also want to write down a romance on the concepts.

Neve mind, no damages done.

BigWorld

05-28-13, 16:21

RazorRamone

05-28-13, 19:13

Went to Addicts Massage today near Asoke, my third time there. I like it mainly because I can pay everything in advance, and you can go for seconds as long as its within the time limit.

I arrived late evening, I was actually going to a party but changed my mind on the BTS. The options at addicts are a bit overwhelming, choose any combination of massage type, room type, and how long, ranging from 2k to 3. 5k. I decided to try out the jacuzzi room and an oil massage for 3k.

Normally this is the point where I choose a girl, but this time the mamasan just said "I have a girl for you". I was about to protest but luckily the girl waiting for me was much hotter than any of the others I had spotted, so it was all good.But still, there were plenty of women around, not sure why she chose one for me?

Anyway, we had a short wash in the jacuzzi, followed by her starting to massage my legs, which quickly turned into a BJ and sex. Afterwards I could feel my cock was done for the night and wasnt going to recover in time, the girl was keen to do more but I let her give me a short back massage then showered and left. I was feeling great, until I looked at my watch and realised I was only in there for 40 minutes! Lesson learned, don't follow the gut instinct to "hit and run" when you\'ve just paid for two hours!

Some things I learned.

-Jacuzzis are one of those things that work much better in your mind than in reality. We used it for all of five minutes, not worth the extra 500 baht.

-Same for oil massages. It looked very sexy when the girl was all oiled up, but every time I kissed her body, I got a mouthful of bad tasting oil.

-The girls at pink massage next door are very enthusiastic to lure me in, anyone been there?

Couple of questions: Apart from these 3 visits I'm completely inexperienced at these kind of places. Is it possible to get with the mamasan? Because the one in Addicts, she looks around 40, but damn she's hot. I haven't had the courage to ask, but I'd love to get with her.

Syzygies

05-29-13, 06:17

-The girls at pink massage next door are very enthusiastic to lure me in, anyone been there?Has been reported on before. Some good, some not good girls.

Rodwint2

05-29-13, 08:39

Has anyone ever tried Orient Massage? It is located across the alley from Mango, EZ and Pink. Addict is around the corner from it. Their website is primarily in Japanese and, like Mango's pricing, it is ala carte versus all inclusive like Addict or EZ. The girls seem to be a bit better looking than Mango or Pink, but on par with Addict when comparing their websites.

Syzygies

05-29-13, 18:19

Hey Dudes please write something about mongering in different MPs / SPs.

Last few posts are missing with the experiences we usually have after mongering encounters.

Cheer up and back to writing your experiences guys.You set the example of a nice long post with detailed experiences please. LOL. Not just 2 or 3 lines. I will be immensely cheered up!

Syzygies

05-29-13, 18:34

Today called in at La Defense. The lineup was a lot weaker than last time (in up market section). Obviously after 7PM too many of the best girls were already booked and I did not have massive time to kill. My almost selection walked off and apparently had been just booked already. In end chose a light skinned Chiang Rai girl with natural looks. Its all a crap-shoot at these places (perhaps a lot less so at Annies). No nose job and no silly-cones with my selection. Nice naturals though.

She was really quite fine till it got to the sex stage. No kissing no DATY, so-so BBBJ. Okay proceeded to the sex. I had not had one for nearly 2 days so it was feeling damn good. She was constantly complaining "jep jep" (it hurts). I am not small but I certainly go at it very slowly and gently, compared to average I am told. Plenty of lube."Are you finished yet?" she asks after about 5 minutes and I have to laugh. Anyway, just when on the money stroke she yanks it out.

Obviously no tip. I have had 2 girls at La Defense now that were fuckable and yet not much fun, this one decidedly worse than the previous. Perhaps I won't bother any more. Of the new girls I have tried 1 out of 2 at La Belle was good even though only a newbie and new girls tried at Utopia were good without being outstanding. Overall much better time with my well known regular girls at Annies, Utopia, Amsterdam.

Much of the time I am thinking its much easier just to go grab any one or two of my reliable a bit raunchy girls out of Suzi Wong, or make a booking for my favourite Oily girls (not many of those left). Getting good looking girls is interfering with getting a great performance.

Syzygies

05-30-13, 17:18

Iin contrast my regular girl from Amsterdam gave me a great time today. Its easy to tell if a girl is really into the sex by the way she moves. This one was really into it, despite her screams, and no sign of getting tired. I thought maybe she had been deprived (very tight initially) but said she was already back at work several days after family visit to Chiang Rai.

If she wasn't available, I would have taken SP16 who looked naturally hot, and a few other sideliners impressed me. Basic V section were not impressive at all. Ordinary looks or doll like with mods.

I asked about Farangs and she said I was her only Farang customer with all the rest being Thai, Japanese, and Korean. She seemed to think Farangs were stuck on girls with big tits. Hers are very nice but only As. I like girls tall, slim but very curvy (big thigh to waist ratio) , and small face with cute natural upturned nose. I really would have thought a lot of other Farangs would like her too but perhaps a bit pricey as she is not in the bottom price bracket. Comes from Chiang Rai. Actually of all the soapy girls, I seem to like Chiang Rai girls most overall, as they seem to have better natural looks.

This is in contrast to bargirls where don't meet that many from Chiang Rai (I know a couple in the past) , and so end up with mostly Ubon, Sisaket, Buriram, Khorat, and a few other miscellaneous. No matter, they screw real good.

One writer recently said his bargirl was from Petchaburi. Not impossible at all, but quite unusual. Petchabun is much more likely. Phetchaburi is normally pronounced "Phet-buri" by Thais.

Goatscrot

05-30-13, 18:03

Phordphan

05-31-13, 01:37

I prefer girls from the North as opposed to the North East for several reasons. They do tend to be fairer, but they also have a very different demeanor. Northern culture is far more conservative. Compare village life in Chiang Mai, Rai, Nan, etc to B-ram, KK, Roi Et, etc, and you wil find it very different. I find Northern gals to have a bit better value system and are somewhat less likely to see you as simply a walking ATM.Agreed! Mirrors my experience, too. Exceptions abound, but overall the Isaan ladies, at least the bar girls, seem to be a lot more avaricious.

Syzygies

05-31-13, 03:39

You give very good believable reports. Is there a reason you don't include prices?Sure, the prices are available on the web site of most Soapies except that Amsterdam doesn't have a web site. There is bound to be another web site with the prices. There are Farang surcharges. The reason I don't specify is I am not interested in price debates that go on and on. Different persons have a different budget for money to be spent on sex. My problem is more of a limited time budget, as have work to do, and have a GF, that I live with part time. I have to pass at some establishments when no girl is anywhere near as appealing as my GF.

I took the girl because she was "georgous" and she wasn't cheap.

It should be obvious I am splurging money as often take two girls at a time in Suzie Wong. At soapies I am often offered two girls too. However this girl is too conservative, most likely, to really get into the sex with another girl present. So I don't risk it.

For up market soapies, if you have to ask the price, you probably can't afford it. A good Oily girl is cheaper. Also Annies is cheaper.

There are super budget Soapies like Biwa, Nancy, Bangkok Cozy. Am I going to the super budget ones? No. I have tried them before, but girls are too plain looking.

BionicMan

05-31-13, 08:02

Sure, the prices are available on the web site of most Soapies except that Amsterdam doesn't have a web site. There is bound to be another web site with the prices. There are Farang surcharges. The reason I don't specify is I am not interested in price debates that go on and on. Different persons have a different budget for money to be spent on sex.I can agree on this approach as sometime we have endless debates on prices, how stupid "you" are in paying such a price etc. Nevertheless for one of the reasons you states (different persons, different budgets) it would be nice to read what you paid in terms of learning the price range of a relatively unknown establishment or where prices are not available on the net. Such as Amsterdam. No need of course for the well known one, where a simple search will give a menu and prices as in a McDonald. So some interested or attached by the report can figure our whether they can afford or want to spend a certain amount of money. Just as some known freelancers, or "super models" blah blah that come at 5/6000 for a ST. The report and possible pictures will allure some and the price will clarify to those whether it is their piece of bread.

Just my two bahts.

NicFrenchy

05-31-13, 18:04

Went to Addicts Massage today near Asoke, my third time there.Just feel like I need to step in: Addict Massage is NOT near Asoke (soi 16) but closer to Phrom Pong (soi 24).

Addict Massage is across from Mango / EZ / Pink massage, in the sub soi.

NicFrenchy

05-31-13, 18:07

Rodwint2

05-31-13, 18:11

Have tried it already but not recently and service was not that greatThanks. It seems that it never really had a good reputation and seems content to market to only the Japanese. That in spite of the competition from Mango and Addict.

Syzygies

05-31-13, 18:25

Just feel like I need to step in: Addict Massage is NOT near Asoke (soi 16) but closer to Phrom Pong (soi 24).

Addict Massage is across from Mango / EZ / Pink massage, in the sub soi.Ha Ha! Just to be very technical, normally the soi referred to as Asoke is the part North of Sukhumvit Road which is Soi 21. Going the other direction, we have Ratchadaphisek road which has Soi 16 branching off it about 200 metres down. Perhaps the first 200m could be considered part of Soi 16. Soi 16 actually has a name "Sam Mit" (meaning "3 friends"). I have never stayed in Soi 16 so am almost completely unfamiliar with it.

Sois on the north have odd numbers and Sois on the south have even numbers. Many of them have names. Usually two different Soi numbers should not have the same name.

Ratchadaphisek road is actually very long and almost circumnavigates many suburbs / districts of Bangkok, even existing on Thonburi side of the river I think, but is renamed to other names in certains places, such as Soi Asoke or (Asoke Montri). Once Soi Asoke crosses Phetburi road, it seems to be called Asoke-Din Daeng, and once it crosses Praraam 9 (Rama 9) it seems to revert to being called Ratchadaphisek again. All very confusing to all of us.

Anyway your main point about not being close to Asoke, and actually in Soi 24 area (near Emporium or Phrom Phong BTS) is very well made.

I am always getting confused by the way the odd and even Sois in sukhumvit do not line up at all so closest Soi to 24 on the north (opposite) side seems to be Soi 39. Soi 48 approximately lines up with Soi 77 (On Nut) or "77 girls All nude" as the way I like to think of it.

Syzygies

05-31-13, 18:41

it would be nice to read what you paid in terms of learning the price range of a relatively unknown establishment or where prices are not available on the net. Such as Amsterdam. No need of course for the well known one, where a simple search will give a menu and prices as in a McDonald.Yes well a simple search does give most of them.

http://www.thaimassagemodel.com/home/pricelist.php

I believe that Amsterdam has a Farang (non East Asian looks) surcharge of 500 or 600 Baht. Call it the Farang dick tax (regardless of your size as they are not going to measure).

The lowest bracket girls did not appeal to me as worth using my time, which is valuable to me at times. By paying a little more I get a girl that really appeals. In this, no gamble at all, as took my regular girl. Only one or two other girls really appealed to me. The level of how great the girl appeals make a large difference to my enjoyment. So if I want a bottom rung girl, I can get them cheaper elsewhere for sure.

Looks is no indicator of performance of course. That is where you have to have a very trusted papasan / mamasan who understands your style or just get lucky, or compile your list of girls to be repeated till the end of time. The best girls are not that boring when you don't see them daily.

Goatscrot

06-01-13, 04:15

Dextro Sol

06-01-13, 05:11

Had a sesh with a new girl, BB, the other day. Body ok. But she is far darker in person. Not particularly enthusiastic and kept wiping the pre-cum off the tip of my pecker with a tissue; a big no-no in my book. Does not really seem to be into the job much at all. Used to work Karaoke in On-Nut before. Don't think she will last long unless her skill set improves. Not GFE or PSE by my standards.I had a session with BB 2 weeks ago and I liked her very much. In my point of view she looks much better in person than in the pics at the web site. Only thing I didn't like was that she was hairy downstairs. I promised her to come back and shave her. Next session with her was two days later when I had a 3 hour outcall with her to my hotel. Started with the promised shave and she really liked it. I guess she still keep it shaved, right Goatscrot?

The outcall session was also very nice, not PSE but very good GFE. Couldn't make her come until time was nearly out. When it was only 30 mins left BB was sitting on the bed and I put my clitstimulator under her pussy. Wow, that started a fire! We fucked like crazy and I made her cum twice in the last 30 minutes.

Catbird

06-01-13, 05:47

Not particularly enthusiastic and kept wiping the pre-cum off the tip of my pecker with a tissue; a big no-no in my book.Better than a liquid nitrogen treatment, but agreed, a big No-No. I love mongering in Thailand, but some of the finicky "hygiene practices" indulged in by some of the girls is amazing. Though, it would be worse if they were slack in that area as well. Another case of watch what you wish for.

Goatscrot

06-01-13, 09:53

I had a session with BB 2 weeks ago and I liked her very much. In my point of view she looks much better in person than in the pics at the web site. Only thing I didn't like was that she was hairy downstairs. I promised her to come back and shave her. Next session with her was two days later when I had a 3 hour outcall with her to my hotel. Started with the promised shave and she really liked it. I guess she still keep it shaved, right Goatscrot?

The outcall session was also very nice, not PSE but very good GFE. Couldn't make her come until time was nearly out. When it was only 30 mins left BB was sitting on the bed and I put my clitstimulator under her pussy. Wow, that started a fire! We fucked like crazy and I made her cum twice in the last 30 minutes.My sesh was about 10 days ago. Nice shave job. Yes, she had kept it trimmed.

Syzygies

06-01-13, 15:49

The outcall session was also very nice, not PSE but very good GFE. Couldn't make her come until time was nearly out. When it was only 30 mins left BB was sitting on the bed and I put my clitstimulator under her pussy. Wow, that started a fire! We fucked like crazy and I made her cum twice in the last 30 minutes.Old saying: YMMV. Some girls are known to be inconsistent depending on chemistry with customer, and some customers have a much higher required standard than others.

One of my regulars at La Belle doesn't perform that good anymore. Getting lazy or maybe has a BF now. Who knows? I just know its time to move on to a more enthusiastic performer.

Today went to Utopia. My regular girl Bprai (Chiang Rai) was unfortunately well booked out. She is hot (for me)! Rest of the line-up was very weak and girl numbers down on Saturday it seems. M47 (Gaem) I wanted to try, but she did not show up. So moved on to Amsterdam. I am not like the Thais, who will take some girl with a plain pudgy face and rather straightish pudgy body. Being told by papasan how good her service is does not do the trick. If she looks real ordinary, I will not pay a lot, when I may struggle to get turned on. I mean my normal GF looks better than the lot of them available today. If any old looks would do, I could go to a BJ Bar or Eden, etc. I have been known to knock back girls available for free.

My regular girl at Amsterdam Yok (Chiang Rai) was just walking off with a customer. Plenty of girls available but nothing special. Then out comes a really tall really pretty girl with her previous customer completed, and I ask immediately but seems she already has another booking. Its hard to get to the best ones with out booking sometimes! Shortly out comes No 16 (June) who I had admired previously with a winning smile, but never booked, so just grabbed her immediately (before anyone else got a chance).

All very natural Thai looks from Sukothai, and pretty (of course) , and big bouncy ones up top. Turned out to be high but natural wide slung Cs. Very cute little nose. I was surprised later to learn she had had a nose job (surely joking). She claims no one is able to pick it at all and only cost 8K Baht. 70%+ of the girls get eliminated due to strange looking noses so I am certainly picky.
She was a very into joking around and a lovey-dovey type, and we had a great time. BBBJ and body slide fun in the bath. Just a few days before her period so she admitted to being horny. Quite similar looks to a girl I had done once before who froze up when it came to the bed. Not this girl though. Very into the long DATY, gave a nice BBBJ, and seemed to enjoy all positions. Says she doesn't like guys who go at it really hard, so fortunately I am the complete reverse. Became more and more into the kissing as session progressed. Not as skinny as my regular girls but still with nice gap between the legs and very curvy. Small slightly tanned face. Not at all like the plastic doll types. Did not bother me at all that she was 30 years old, as no kid, and no signs of deterioration whatsoever, but just experienced. No face lines at all, no sag.

Said she has no BF now, as her long time Thai BF was kicked out when she found that he was sneaking out at 3 or 4AM not to sell stuff but to go see the other woman.

Terwagne

06-01-13, 19:43

I called EZ 1 for an outcall with girl I enjoyed a few months ago. She did not remember me. Once I started DATY, after 10 seconds she said: ' Yes I remember you now: we met at Grand Hyatt Erewan, and you told me you liked to kiss and I said you would be my teacher. Your tongue is very expert and makes me come. ' This is what I call a professional.

Syzygies

06-01-13, 20:09

' Your tongue is very expert and makes me come. ' This is what I call a professional.Professional what? I did not remember you either, never having met, but something rings a bell. Something about what Annies No. 24 likes too.

EZmassageBKK

06-02-13, 14:32

LOL. Nice one.

May I ask which lady you are refering to?

I called EZ 1 for an outcall with girl I enjoyed a few months ago. She did not remember me. Once I started DATY, after 10 seconds she said: ' Yes I remember you now: we met at Grand Hyatt Erewan, and you told me you liked to kiss and I said you would be my teacher. Your tongue is very expert and makes me come. ' This is what I call a professional.

Terwagne

06-02-13, 15:13

LOL. Nice one.

May I ask which lady you are refering to?I met her at Holiday Inn Silom on Thursday.

ColdC

06-03-13, 03:28

Linkwray666

06-03-13, 15:24

OK, I understand the reluctance to talk prices as "your mileage may vary," etc.

But from reading this forum I intend to take a tumble at Cherry's where I see the hourly prices for massage at 400 baht.

Is an offer of an extra 2000 baht to the girl in the ballpark for full service, or am I in danger of contributing to price inflation or actually being a "cheap charlie?"

Thanks!B400 for the room 1 hour and B1500 for the girl, all inclusive. Any tip above that price is at your discretion, not required or expected but appreciated I am sure (I never tipped above the B1500, call me cheap, don't care). Take two hours if you like the girl and can do multiple pops, it is a better bargain and the girl's fee is still only B1500.

Service levels for that price at Cherry are top notch. Same prices and service available at Snow White, Tulip, and Mango (I have never been to the other 3 but never to Mango, Mango service assessment based on board reports). Snow White has (IMO) some of the most attractive girls of the four, I recommend you you give SW a try also if you have the opportunity.

Dan7373

06-03-13, 16:25

i had a session with bb 2 weeks ago and i liked her very much. in my point of view she looks much better in person than in the pics at the web site.

couldn't make her come until time was nearly out. when it was only 30 mins left bb was sitting on the bed and i put my clitstimulator under her pussy. wow, that started a fire! we fucked like crazy and i made her cum twice in the last 30 minutes.yes, this is the way to take any pretty lady, who lets you have your way with her. she is bound to orgasm with you, if you do her the right way, well enough and long enough. which is enough enthusiasm from the pretty lady to satisfy any horny guy. you can't reasonably ask for more enthusiasm than this. having a genuine orgasm with you is about as enthusiastic as any pretty lady can get.

a lot of guys seem to have an utterly false idea that if the pretty lady is out of their league in terms of her sexiness and looks, then there is no way they can make her orgasm, and her lack of enthusiasm is something they just need to accept and live with it.

latest research shows that even during [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), a lot of women get sexually aroused, and many women orgasm. i'm against [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), of course. but this research shows that female orgasm is mostly about right physical stimulation and not so much about anything else.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/science-arousal-during-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)

that's why a massage lady's initial lack of enthusiasm with me doesn't bother me much, as long as she lets me massage her pussy with my well-lubricated hand. good pussy and clit masturbation will arouse the lady and make her orgasm almost every time, no matter how good-looking she is and no matter how much you are out of her league.

if you are sexually skilled and you know how to make women orgasm, then the only thing that matters is whether the lady lets you have your way with her the way you want or not. because even the most sexually skilled guy in the world won't make the woman orgasm, if she brushes his hand away from her pussy and doesn't let him masturbate her clit in any other way.

you can make virtually any woman sexually enthusiastic with you by giving her good foreplay, including clit play with a vibrator, during your sex with her. but if she restricts your foreplay and and doesn't let you sexually excite her, so that she won't have any feelings for you, then there isn't much you can do, except find another lady, who will let you do her the way you want.

i'd say that lady bb is just right for me in terms of her looks and her attitude. i've checked out her pictures at the cherry massage website, and like her looks i certainly do. pretty face, nice legs, nice ass, and the way her nipples look and feel i'm dying to find out.

http://cherrymassagebkk.com/ladies/

ColdC

06-03-13, 23:50

B400 for the room 1 hour and B1500 for the girl, all inclusive. Any tip above that price is at your discretion, not required or expected but appreciated I am sure (I never tipped above the B1500, call me cheap, don't care). Take two hours if you like the girl and can do multiple pops, it is a better bargain and the girl's fee is still only B1500.

Service levels for that price at Cherry are top notch. Same prices and service available at Snow White, Tulip, and Mango (I have never been to the other 3 but never to Mango, Mango service assessment based on board reports). Snow White has (IMO) some of the most attractive girls of the four, I recommend you you give SW a try also if you have the opportunity.I appreciate the info & will take your recommendation re: SW.

Leaving soon and will post my impressions.

Cheers

Linkwray666

06-04-13, 06:16

(I have never been to the other 3 but never to Mango)Ooops, that should read "I HAVE been to the other 3 but never to Mango.", although really I have BEEN to Mango so to be more accurate what I should have said was "I have visited Mango for a minute or two to view their lineup but have not yet sampled their wares, will probably do so in the future".

Sorry for any confusion this might have caused.

NicFrenchy

06-04-13, 16:09

Service levels for that price at Cherry are top notch. Same prices and service available at Snow White, Tulip, and Mango (I have never been to the other 3 but never to Mango, Mango service assessment based on board reports). Snow White has (IMO) some of the most attractive girls of the four, I recommend you you give SW a try also if you have the opportunity.Was there not so long ago and the talent is going downhill. Not one girl I was willing to pay to have sex with. Ended up at Addict Massage and had a great time.

BkkMick

06-04-13, 17:57

Was there not so long ago and the talent is going downhill. Not one girl I was willing to pay to have sex with. Ended up at Addict Massage and had a great time.I had good experience with Anna (if you are not bothered by fake boobs) , Bo, Ice and Rose. All are A+ except Rose who has a very cute butt which I am dying to put my dick in but so far without luck. Unfortunately Nancy has left who was not the best looker but a great mover who would do absolutely anything! And that with mucho gusto.

Linkwray666

06-04-13, 18:35

Was there not so long ago and the talent is going downhill. Not one girl I was willing to pay to have sex with. Ended up at Addict Massage and had a great time.The lineup at Mango was dressed down and very plain / no makeup looking when I visited, Oil stood out from the rest and seemed to have fire and desire in her eyes. I regret not coming back for her and hope I have the chance in the future.

Who do you recommend at Addict?

And is Addict MSOG? Have searched the forum and found some are A+ but do not see info on multi-pops.

WrinkleFree

06-05-13, 15:57

Reading several reports of Nataree and the description of the sheer number of girls makes me what to pay a visit. But is it safe to say that it's not MSOG?

NicFrenchy

06-05-13, 16:10

The lineup at Mango was dressed down and very plain / no makeup looking when I visited, Oil stood out from the rest and seemed to have fire and desire in her eyes. I regret not coming back for her and hope I have the chance in the future.

Who do you recommend at Addict?

And is Addict MSOG? Have searched the forum and found some are A+ but do not see info on multi-pops.Addict is a Straight up, Japanese style joint: You pay everything to the cashier before the session. Now some have a problem with that (I don't).

By Straight up, I mean that nothing other than sex is sure at Addict. Some girls that allow certain guys anal, may refuse with others. For me, I have had a girl that let me cum 3 times in our 2 hours session (but that does not mean she will allow everyone that).

I would tell you who to go for but certainly not in the open Forum. I take it your vacation is over and you are back to the US. Then PM me when you are close to being back and I will tell you who the latest talents are (girls change very often these days).

Rodwint2

06-06-13, 06:01

after a heavy meal at bourbon st pub, i was on the way back to my hotel on soi 11 and stopped by phrong pom station and took a walk around the soi 24 shops. mango had about 10 gals and oil and wan were the only nice looking. i poked my head into orient, but didn't want to hike up the stairs to find out what was going on. the entire line up of addict was out side trying to get customers to come to the shop. having just ate, i was looking to have an outcall later that evening, so i just jotted down the names of some likely ones.

i moved on down the road to soi 24/1 to see cherry's and the others there i have heard of. the standard out call rate was 2, 500 for cherry and mango for 2 hours. all others were at 3, 000. all nights were the best at cherry and mango, and others went up to 8, 000. pink panther had some cuties but i was too tired and needed a nap. at cherry's the girls were all quite busy and the best were already booked for the rest of the night. so i took a pass on them all and headed back for a much needed nap. after getting up around 9:30, i headed out to just grab a beer and smoke a cigar. the australian pub had a singer and i wanted a quieter location and landed up a few doors down at hillary to smoke my cigar. too pooped to party and went to crash.

Gorgon

06-07-13, 13:25

Visited Cherry at soi 24/1 today. Unless there is some other cherry place it now runs a set price list with pre pay.

90 minutes was 2100 bath with free water sent up. The place and room was a bit dumpy but I generally don't care about that unless the room stinks of mold or something. The line up was a bit thin as it was in the middle of the day, chose Su from the booklet. I had no complaints about Su but the pictures are so photoshopped they might as well have rendered them in 3d instead of bothering with photographs. No relations to reality.

I forgot to specify I wanted multishot before I paid and went in so there was some consternation in the room from the girl. I was more knackered than I thought so I only took advantage of one shot but I thought this place was designated as multi by default? The smart move is of course to specify at the counter what you need. My bad.

I was curious to try some dick pills so had had sunk a 50mg sidagra an hour before I went. In the room it was enough to see Sus cleavage to go full mast, hard as a rebar but also loss of sensitivity. The first shot was harder than usual in coming, I usually have to get one shot out of the way before moving in on the real session. The girl was not impressed from endless pumping by a rebar dick. She was a bit concerned about the size but I got no jeb jeb. The jury is out on the pills.

Su on the other hand was sweet. I liked her massage, though she was probably saving her energies to last the evening because it wasn't so much PSE as sexy oily with fucking at the end. Might be more of an evening place.

Evianist

06-07-13, 18:19

Can anyone recommend a place to go for a couples massage that will turn into sex?

Do not want to go to Annie's, Tulip or Eden.

Preferably somewhere not too trashy

Dextro Sol

06-09-13, 10:43

Can anyone recommend a place to go for a couples massage that will turn into sex?

Do not want to go to Annie's, Tulip or Eden.

Preferably somewhere not too trashyWhy not order an outcall session to your hotel? Explain your wishes in an email or if you call them.

Try for example Cherry, Ez, Mango and SW.

Franciscass

06-09-13, 16:03

For the Spasso, Mixx I. E. More high end punters may I suggest you try Maggie Choo's at the Novotel Silom. Decor is meant to create a Shianghai / opium den vibe, whether it succeeds is a matter of opinion but it is charmingly different to anything else around and attracts an attractive eclectic mix of talent. Between drinks and her 'present' expect to drop 6k to 8k and by the way watch the bar staff they can be a little slow giving the correct change.

Brazil Traveller

06-10-13, 07:08

I visited Cupidy Massage Parlor yesterday and had a very bad experience there. Firstly they initially asked me 5, 200 bht, when I said I would have gone somewhere else the price immediately dropped to 3, 200. I would have done better to leave. The girl was really bad, cold and mechanical, and making me pressure to finish soon, the whole experience was so unpleasant that I decided not to finish the session and leave. I complained to the management and they told me I could have had another girl for 1000 bht more, but I replied I was not interested in their gilrs anymore after that experience. I didn't get any money refund. My impression is that Cupidy is a tourist trap as it is one of the few soapy massage parlors close to the Sukhumvit road. The girl I went with is called Pon (she has her name tattoed on her breast. I don' remember her number). This was so far the only bad experience I had since I am in Bangkok.

Dan7373

06-10-13, 09:39

Visited Cherry at soi 24/1 today.

I had no complaints about Su but the pictures are so photoshopped they might as well have rendered them in 3d instead of bothering with photographs. No relations to reality.

I forgot to specify I wanted multishot before I paid and went in so there was some consternation in the room from the girl. I was more knackered than I thought so I only took advantage of one shot but I thought this place was designated as multi by default? The smart move is of course to specify at the counter what you need. My bad.

I was curious to try some dick pills so had had sunk a 50mg sidagra an hour before I went. In the room it was enough to see Sus cleavage to go full mast, hard as a rebar but also loss of sensitivity. The first shot was harder than usual in coming, I usually have to get one shot out of the way before moving in on the real session. The girl was not impressed from endless pumping by a rebar dick. She was a bit concerned about the size but I got no jeb jeb. The jury is out on the pills.

Su on the other hand was sweet. I liked her massage, though she was probably saving her energies to last the evening because it wasn't so much PSE as sexy oily with fucking at the end. Might be more of an evening place.Perhaps it's not just photo-shopping that changes the women's looks. A lot of Thai women use skin-whitening creams and soaps that make their skin white temporarily. But such skin-whitening treatment is bad for their skin in the long run, and that's why they don't do it all the time.

I think it's a good idea to bring some extra lube with you and use it liberally with your lady, if you intend to last for a long time and have multiple shots with her. Because apparently, not all massage women know their business well enough to take care of themselves this way.

If your foreplay technique isn't good enough to excite the woman sexually, before you have sex with her, then this might lead to discomfort and injuries for her, when you last a long time with her. And in addition to this, water-based lube on condoms tends to dry out fairly quickly, which makes the latex condoms very hard on the woman indeed. Because there is nothing worse than dry rubber to create the maximum friction. That's why they use rubber on wheels of all cars and vehicles. It's a great way to create friction, which isn't so great for the woman, who is having sex with you.

You might even want to give the pretty lady a personal lube applicator as a tip for her. All she needs to do is shoot her pussy full of lube, and she'll last with you as long as you want, without much discomfort for her. A gift like this would make her much better in bed not just with you but with other guys too. You would be doing a service for everyone, including the lady and yourself. Here is an example of a personal lube applicator that I'm talking about:

http://www.amazon.com/Lube-Shooter-Lubricant-Applicator-Red/dp/B001O9XCMO/ref=sr_1_7?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1370853346&sr=1-7&keywords=personal+lube+applicator

Syzygies

06-10-13, 18:48

Brazil Traveller

06-13-13, 03:43

Juicyclamlover

06-13-13, 08:03

Mango.

Was walking towards Mango and a girl was outside on her mobile. As I approached she was finishing her call and opened the door to allow me in with a cracker of a smile, I politely made sure she went first.

Decided on a 2 hour oil session and the line up was formed, the girl from outside was still smiling at me so I picked her.

Not an hour glass figure but I like some meat on the bones and nice boobs.

Upto the room the usual soaping down in the shower with plenty of sucking on the old JT.

Scrubbed up and into the action, this girl was a full on PSE for the full 2 hour session. She must have spent 30 minutes on a combination of BBBJ, ball licking and rimming. Any position you like was on the menu including A and boy did she love that!

I managed 2 pops in 2 hours and she worked hard to get me to the 2nd one with almost continous BBBJ, until I CIM'the, for the last 20 minutes. The previous days exploits catching up on me.

Between pops she oiled us up and gave a great B2B massage and those boobs moving up and down on me felt superb and with some ear licking it was just plain erotic.

I would say and I know this is subjective, body a 7. 5-8, performance and attitude 11/10.

EZmassageBKK

06-13-13, 15:15

Dear Forumers,

I am pleased to announce that EZ Massage will have below promotion for all forum members.

1900 baht for 90 mins of massage.

The promotion will be from 15 June to 21 June.

Please inform the reception / manager about the promotion to enjoy the special rate at EZ1 or EZ2.

Cheers.

EZ

TConor

06-15-13, 08:21

White Whale

06-15-13, 14:22

During my last week in Bangkok my experiences in massage parlors were all positive (apart from the very bad one at Cupidy Massage, which I have reported in a specific post in this same thread a few days ago). In particular I received very good service at well known Emmanuelle and Poseidon Massage Parlors, and at Dream Heaven teen massage parlor in Sukhumvit soi 24/1, and I received excellent service at Dr BJ's Nuru in Sukhumvit soi 7/1 (in this nuru massage parlor I would like to mention the outstanding perfomance of girl number 12 named Pui).Just arrived from there. My skin is squeeking and balls are tender as I walk. I took round heavy side girl Mem for two hours VIP. I was told difference is one hour vs two hour that VIP room has both zoke zone mattress and normal bed for oily. And 2000 vs 3000 baht. The nuru is done pussy-to-body or body-to-body wet massage with special loitment. Similar what I experienced in Phuket in soapy. They had rubbery mattress instead of air filled one. For me two hours is too long and oily massage on bed does not bring new things into play. Mem did anything to make me cum three times. Two times on wet side BBBJ. In normal bed oily in 69 she did not mind finger in ass so that is probably on her menu as well.

Member #4643

06-16-13, 21:20

What is the most upscale soapie in BKK. I have spent the last 48 hours RTFF, and it seems that pricing is a major isdue for many of my fellow ISG members.

In short, I want a really beautiful lady to service me in a place where I don't get Dengue (I like Annie's, but the mosquitoes almost killed me) , the water is actually hot, I can comfortably lay my 6 ft frame on the floor. (HATE tiny rooms) , etc. Price is not an issue. But, I want a soapie, not just a massage and sex.

Thanks!

Zauberfee

06-16-13, 21:45

What is the most upscale soapie in BKK.Poseidon and Utopia should be right in the mix for most upscale soapie massage.

Take a look here: http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.774483,100.575371&spn=0.059104,0.066175&z=14

But keep in mind that stunning girls don't automatically translate into a good soapy experience or great sex.

Streetwalker7

06-17-13, 13:24

Poseidon and Utopia should be right in the mix for most upscale soapie massage.

Take a look here:

http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.774483,100.575371&spn=0.059104,0.066175&z=14

But keep in mind that stunning girls don't automatically translate into a good soapy experience or great sex.On the flip side unattractive don't necessarily guarantee you a good time either. Though probabilities are a bit higher with the uglies I do agree.

Just go with who you find attractive and take your chances. Don't think too much!

Traveler1234

06-17-13, 15:26

The Love Boat on Rama IX and Entertainment Plaza are two very nice soapies. Side-liners a couple of yrs ago were quite nice

EZmassageBKK

06-18-13, 15:42

Try the lord. The top range is 7600 baht. These are models with superb services contrary to the belief that beautiful ladies don't give good services. .

What is the most upscale soapie in BKK. I have spent the last 48 hours RTFF, and it seems that pricing is a major isdue for many of my fellow ISG members.

In short, I want a really beautiful lady to service me in a place where I don't get Dengue (I like Annie's, but the mosquitoes almost killed me) , the water is actually hot, I can comfortably lay my 6 ft frame on the floor. (HATE tiny rooms) , etc. Price is not an issue. But, I want a soapie, not just a massage and sex.

Thanks!

Ralph Kramden

06-19-13, 12:56

Forest.

You might try the Bangkok Escort Agencies thread. I have looked at some of the sites posted and the providers look pretty good to me. I sort of like studying what is available before choosing instead of taking a hit and possible miss run to several different places.

NishNish

06-19-13, 22:44

Hey guys am coming to Bangkok this month, have been following this forum since a bit! I had 2 questions.

1) Snow White massage is located in Soi 26 right?

2) the rate of 800 bhat for 2 hours includes what?

3) how much is you want the multiple pops (5 condom whatever)

Thank you soo much! Just 18 now! Working hard! Planning to shift to Bangkok forever by am 23! Have been to this AWESOME place 10 times already! Though with mom dad :/

Reply soon! Cheery! Happy tugging.

P. S. Dr. BJ's was awesome the last tme I was there.

NN

IMHopeful

06-20-13, 18:11

Hi Ez,

I saw Aiko a few days ago and whilst she was not a full breasted as her pictures she really showed me a good time. Excellent client service skills and I can confirm she actually knows how to massage.

So my question is, can I book any of the girls for longer than 2 hours? Your website only caters for 2 hours.

TConor

06-21-13, 02:05

Relead

06-21-13, 02:47

Try the lord. The top range is 7600 baht. These are models with superb services contrary to the belief that beautiful ladies don't give good services. .While I do agree that Lord is pretty much as upscale as you can go in Bangkok when it comes to looks, far from all of them give stunning service. I wouldn't say I've had any terrible times, but I can certainly recall times when it's been pretty meh. Would still recommend since they have some truly amazing girls though.

Zauberfee

06-21-13, 02:56

1) Snow White massage is located in Soi 26 right?Yes, if you come from Sukhumvit Road the massage shop is about 20m on the left side.

2) the rate of 800 bhat for 2 hours includes what?The non existing massage and a soft drink or water. The girls get 1. 500 THB for their special services, nothing to bargain about that.

3) how much is you want the multiple pops (5 condom whatever)Multiple pops are included in the 1. 500 THB, but I'd rather aim for 2 or 3 shots within 2 hours. If you can fuck more you should give girls a nice tip

EZmassageBKK

06-21-13, 21:15

Yes the lady get 5000 and according to her, she get at least 6 clients a day so that is 30, 000 baht per day of work!

What is the cut for the girl on a 7000 price tag? 5000 sounds about right to me. The girl must be rewarded for being beautiful.

EZmassageBKK

06-21-13, 21:15

Hi,

Our overnight booking starts from 6000 baht after midnight.

Regards.

Hi Ez,

I saw Aiko a few days ago and whilst she was not a full breasted as her pictures she really showed me a good time. Excellent client service skills and I can confirm she actually knows how to massage.

So my question is, can I book any of the girls for longer than 2 hours? Your website only caters for 2 hours.

Member #4698

06-21-13, 22:48

Try the lord. The top range is 7600 baht. These are models with superb services contrary to the belief that beautiful ladies don't give good services. .I haven't tried the Lord yet. I guess I will have to go and check it out.

The Love Boat on Rama IX and Entertainment Plaza are two very nice soapies. Side-liners a couple of yrs ago were quite nice Yep. I have had good times at and can recommend two other Lord Group Massage Parlors; Copa Cabana & Long Beach (Love Boat Club) on Rama IX. Note: Victoria is the forth parlor in the group. I have not been to Victoria. Long Beach is my 3rd favorite soapy in BKK, Copa Cabana is my 2nd favorite soapy, and La Belle is my favorite. There is one girl at La Belle (Joy). Ooh La La!

On any given evening you can expect to find some very good looking girls at these three establishments. It's not cheap. Rates vary from 2100bt for a entry level "fishbowl" girl to over 7000bt for highest level sideline model, but there are very few 7000bt girls available. Most of the soapy girls are in the 2100bt to 4200bt range. I usually spend between 3200bt and 4200bt per session. The most I ever paid for a soapy session was 5900bt at La Belle and it was worth it. Bring your Capital One credit card. I don't step foot in these soapies without it.

Traveler1234

06-22-13, 15:06

I haven't tried the Lord yet.I have had good times at and can recommend two other Lord Group Massage Parlors; Copa Cabana & Long Beach (Love Boat Club) on Rama IX.

Yes, completely forgot about Copa Cabana. Both CC and LB used to have good fishbowl pickings but over the years the talent moved to the sideliners [more $$$, less time:90 minutes, only 1 shot].

Now that I'm a senior citizen, may revisit them next trip :)

BobbyGunsy

06-22-13, 19:40

NicFrenchy

06-23-13, 04:53

Hi! I would be landing at Bangkok international at 0925 (I know it is quite early) , as most Bangkok Massage open at 12pmish, and my flight leaves at 4pm straight for Ubon. I have about 7 hours, and am interested a nice massage hopefully with slightly more but hoping to stay around airport area in case I hit the traffic. I know everyone says few hours is not worth the hassle, especially being less than a day in Bangkok is pathetic. I Does anyone know any nice soapy massage near the airport so I can enjoy a good time before the local flight? Thank you!

Bobby7 hours Layover should be enough. If you are worried about travelling, I suggest you book a room at the Airport Novotel and arrange a Meet & Greet via EZmassage ladies or some other website. If the Novotel is too expensive, There are a few good hotels in the 10mn Vicinity of SVB Airport that would charge a lot less.

Crazy4Thai

06-23-13, 12:01

Hi! I would be landing at Bangkok international at 0925 (I know it is quite early) , as most Bangkok Massage open at 12pmish, and my flight leaves at 4pm straight for Ubon. I have about 7 hours, and am interested a nice massage hopefully with slightly more but hoping to stay around airport area in case I hit the traffic. I know everyone says few hours is not worth the hassle, especially being less than a day in Bangkok is pathetic. I Does anyone know any nice soapy massage near the airport so I can enjoy a good time before the local flight? Thank you!

Bobby7 hours IS enough. To give another possible plan you could take the airport express train into Makasan station and then taxi from there for no more than 10 minutes. Maybe 2 minutes. A more knowledgeable member might be able to help you I'd soapy places that are quite close to the station. You'd be back in plenty of time. You can pay to store your luggage too at the airport.

Zauberfee

06-23-13, 23:28

Ice is back at Mango Massage and so was I.

Went to Mango Massage in the afternoon and choosed Ice out of a rather crowded lineup. I had a great time with her in the past and was expecting that same kind of great experience this time. And Ice didn't disappoint at all. She's cheerful and talkative and very energizing. Ice's still a top notch performer who combines GFE and PSE like few others. No matter what it is, you ask for it and she delivers. DFK. Yup, DT. Here we go, butt fucking. Takes it up the ass with a smile, CIM. Takes it all.

She gave me a great time, she gave me the impression that it's her one and only duty to take completely care of me and she did a great job again.

But she's 40 years old now, she's mature and she's gotten "old" from the last time I saw her. She's still a firm and nice body (even her tits are too big IMHO) , but her face looked significantly older. It didn't really matter for me, but it's obviously that Father Time has taken his toll on her. If you don't mind mature girl, Ice will give you great sex. Anyone else should stay away from her.

Please keep in mind that everything I wrote, was based on my personal preferences and my expectations. YMMV!

Zauberfee

06-23-13, 23:47

The other day I went to Snow White at about noon time.

Unfortunately my favourite June was busy, Momay was off and the lineup was rather depleted. From the 6 girls available, Ben looked the most intriguing to me. Ben is 32 years old from Nakhon Phanom. About 160 cm tall, a 34 kf with a little chubby belly, slightly hanging B cup. Not really stunning, not really sexy, but a decent good looking average massage shop girl.

Ben is kind of talkative but her english skills are limited, we mainly chatted in thai. I couldn't care less, though she had all tools for a joyful massage session.

Business as usual at Snow White. DFK and BJ while taking a shower together, more DFK and more BJ then on the bed. The rest is rather routine. Fucking her pussy in several positions, fucking her ass in several positions (not really one of her strenghts, but took it without any complaints) , finally shooting my load.

Ben might not be one of the super stars, but she provides very good sex and is a nice girl. Actually you can't go wrong with her.

Please keep in mind that everything I wrote, was based on my personal preferences and my expectations. YMMV!

Zauberfee

06-24-13, 00:13

Had Ploy for an outcall at my hotel.

Ploy is a young girl (will get 22 in July) with a very nice small body. 155 cm tall, a 32 kf with a perfect B cup. Exactly what I love. Her face looks rather Chinese than thai (she told me that her father is Chinese / half Chinese). Still looks good but can't compete with her great body.

Ploy is very cheerful and talkative with lot's of energy. Actually I found her attitude a little bit professionell, maybe a lttle bit too much. If you're looking for "new","innocent" or "natural" girls, you might get disappointed.

As a pro she indeed know how to make her farang happy:

- BJ in shower.
- great DFK's.
- energetic cow-girl plus several other positions.
- no problems at all fucking her ass (albeit she took lot's of lube)
- took CIM with a smile.

All in all a very convincing performance.

The pics on the website are quite accurate.

From what she told me, Ploy is the younger sister of Apple and Cherry. I really wonder but still wouldn't doubt it.

Please keep in mind that everything I wrote, was based on my personal preferences and my expectations. YMMV!

Catbird

06-24-13, 03:47

Thanks Zauberfee for the reports. Perfect. Not overly long, or full of ego horseshit. The essential facts. Kudos.

Keep 'em coming!

Mouse1

06-24-13, 09:27

Hi,

I would be landing at Bangkok international at 0925 (I know it is quite early) , as most Bangkok Massage open at 12pmish, and my flight leaves at 4pm straight for Ubon. I have about 7 hours, and am interested a nice massage hopefully with slightly more but hoping to stay around airport area in case I hit the traffic. I know everyone says few hours is not worth the hassle, especially being less than a day in Bangkok is pathetic. I Does anyone know any nice soapy massage near the airport so I can enjoy a good time before the local flight?

Thank you!

BobbyIf I were you, I'd check my bags at the airport (10am). Get a taxi or train to central BKK and visit one of the massage joints that opens at 10am (Tulip, Mango, Snow White, etc) (10. 30am). Enjoy, pay and leave (12. 30pm). Grab some street food (you've earned it) (1pm). Get a taxi to the airport (1. 30pm). Even with a bit of slippage you are back well before 3pm.

I never say 'being less than a day in BKK is pathetic'. :)

AwiBkk

06-24-13, 16:20

Had Ploy

Ploy is a young girl (will get 22 in July) with a very nice small body. 155 cm tall, a 32 kf with a perfect B cup.

As a pro she indeed know how to make her farang happy:

- BJ in shower.

- great DFK's.

- energetic cow-girl plus several other positions.

- no problems at all fucking her ass (albeit she took lot's of lube)

- took CIM with a smile.

YMMV! Most def my fav girl at Cherry's. Good to know she's still hot.

BkkMick

06-24-13, 18:12

Nongpagba

06-24-13, 20:47

Thank you you for your reports. I think, Ice has enhanced her breasts already two times, but she gives you everything. I remember a session together with Bo. Unforgettable. Ploy will be on my list next time.

NicFrenchy

06-25-13, 05:53

If I were you, I'd check my bags at the airport (10am). Get a taxi or train to central BKK and visit one of the massage joints that opens at 10am (Tulip, Mango, Snow White, etc) (10. 30am). Enjoy, pay and leaveI would second that plan, but, wait, this is Thailand we are talking about so here is what the reality will most likely look like on a typical weekday:

Places advertise a 10am opening.

10:00 am the place is still closed.

10:40 the maid arrives to open and clean up the place.

11:30 the maid is done cleaning and is waiting for the girls to arrive.

12:00 the first girl shows up for work but is tired and hungry.

13:00 a couple other girls will join slowly.

14:00 the superstars start to arrive.

Moral of the Story? Opening times don't mean shit in Thailand.

Dr BJ

06-25-13, 09:57

Moral of the Story? Opening times don't mean shit in Thailand.Or you could go for a Nuru massage at Dr BJ's in Soi 7/1. We open at 11 am on the dot. All girls for early shift are there before 11, guaranteed. You can be fully satisfied and out the door by 1 pm.

Regards,

BJ

Traveler1234

06-25-13, 10:30

I would second that plan, but, wait, this is Thailand we are talking about so here is what the reality will most likely look like on a typical weekday.Moral of the Story? Opening times don't mean shit in Thailand.To be safe, email arrangements ahead of time. EZ and Annies are usually reliable for email. You can also call Tulips, Mango, SnowWhite or Cherry ahead of time to book someone.

Zauberfee

06-25-13, 12:37

You can also call Tulips, Mango, SnowWhite or Cherry ahead of time to book someone.I had outcall bookings with both Cherry Massage and Mango Massage and they were pre-arranged by mail. Just send them an email, tell them who you are, where you stay and who you want to book. Something like.

Sawasdee khrap,

I'll be back for one night in Bangkok. I'd really love to spend my time with one of the lovely girls from Mango Massage.

Here are the informations about my favoured meeting:

Name: Average Joe.

Hotel: The Continent Hotel. 413 Sukhumvit Road (Near Asoke BTS & Sukhumvit MRT Interchange Stations) .10110 Bangkok

Date: 29th June 2013.

Time: 21:00/9:00 pm.

Duration: 2 hours.

Girl of my choice: Cream.

Alternative girl: Wan or Bo.

I'll send you my room number by mail at 29th June in the afternoon. If you want I can call you or come to your shop as well.Will do the job

Traveler1234

06-25-13, 16:52

I had outcall bookings with both Cherry Massage and Mango Massage and they were pre-arranged by mail. Just send them an email, tell them who you are, where you stay and who you want to book. Something like.Good to know. I'm actually visiting next month but will only have one night in town. By the time I get to hotel, will have been traveling 28 hrs so maybe I'll arrange room service rather than going out. ;)

AssLover945

06-25-13, 17:46

I would second that plan, but, wait, this is Thailand we are talking about so here is what the reality will most likely look like on a typical weekday:

Places advertise a 10am opening.

10:00 am the place is still closed.

10:40 the maid arrives to open and clean up the place.

11:30 the maid is done cleaning and is waiting for the girls to arrive.

12:00 the first girl shows up for work but is tired and hungry.

13:00 a couple other girls will join slowly.

14:00 the superstars start to arrive.

Moral of the Story? Opening times don't mean shit in Thailand.I know for sure that at 10 AM sharp there are a few girls at Mango and Cherry everyday. It may not be the full line up, but I am not that demanding!

AssLover945

06-25-13, 17:55

Ploy: a nice thin Chinese looking tart. Very enthusiastic and takes it up her Ass. Had a lovely sweet time with her last week.

Highly repeatable, starts the very moment you enter the room. Very slurpy rim job,

BB : the guy at counter recommended a new girl named BB, looked like Bo of Mango massage.

Had a lovely time with her too. No anal offered or I did not even ask. And enthusiastic and sincere 1. 5 hours passed by very quickly.

BBBJ was not sloppy, but rather tight, which I like because to have more friction between my dick and her tongue and throat. She did a nice rimming job too.

2100 + 100 Bahts tip each time.

Cherry massage I was over it last week.

Pita123

06-25-13, 18:06

Ploy is very cheerful and talkative with lot's of energy. Actually I found her attitude a little bit professionell, maybe a lttle bit too much. If you're looking for "new","innocent" or "natural" girls, you might get disappointed.Had her twice at Cherry. Love her look and body but this part I find a bit annoying.

Hate the showers at Cherry. Too small.

Pita123

06-25-13, 18:07

BB : the guy at counter recommended a new girl named BB, looked like Bo of Mango massage.Looks like pre-op or post-op Bo?

She looks chubbier than Bo.

Dextro Sol

06-25-13, 18:09

BB : the guy at counter recommended a new girl named BB, looked like Bo of Mango massage.

Had a lovely time with her too. No anal offered or I did not even ask. And enthusiastic and sincere 1. 5 hours passed by very quickly.

BBBJ was not sloppy, but rather tight, which I like because to have more friction between my dick and her tongue and throat. She did a nice rimming job too.

Cherry massage I was over it last week.Here is my review of BB I posted about 3 weeks ago:

I had a session with BB 2 weeks ago and I liked her very much. In my point of view she looks much better in person than in the pics at the web site. Only thing I didn't like was that she was hairy downstairs. I promised her to come back and shave her. Next session with her was two days later when I had a 3 hour outcall with her to my hotel. Started with the promised shave and she really liked it. I guess she still keep it shaved, right Goatscrot?

The outcall session was also very nice, not PSE but very good GFE. Couldn't make her come until time was nearly out. When it was only 30 mins left BB was sitting on the bed and I put my clitstimulator under her pussy. Wow, that started a fire! We fucked like crazy and I made her cum twice in the last 30 minutes.The guy at the counter stated BB was A+, but when I tried I could see she had too much pain so I stopped trying. At the outcall that she should stop A+ if she was in pain.

Hope she still keep hair trimmed!

Pita123

06-25-13, 18:18

7 hours Layover should be enough. If you are worried about travelling, I suggest you book a room at the Airport Novotel and arrange a Meet & Greet via EZmassage ladies or some other website. If the Novotel is too expensive, There are a few good hotels in the 10mn Vicinity of SVB Airport that would charge a lot less.Actually he may be better off taking the airport express and booking a hotel at Makkasaan.

Pita123

06-25-13, 18:29

Why not 5 shots?

Pita123

06-25-13, 18:37

Pita123

06-25-13, 18:41

But is it safe to say that it's not MSOG? i have had MSOG at Nataree. Need a girl that likes you.

Was there not so long ago and the talent is going downhill. Not one girl I was willing to pay to have sex with. Ended up at Addict Massage and had a great time.

Yeah, I can hardly justify even poking my head in.

AwiBkk

06-25-13, 18:50

Took bo for a 2hr spin. PSE pure and simple, she is the real deal

BBBJ's, anal, dfk, dty. 69, b2b at the most highest levels squeezed me easy 2 pops. Great personalty as well.

Had a lot of fun with her and she is now my all time favourite.

2300b + 200 tip as she deserved it.

Will see her again for sure.

AssLover945

06-25-13, 19:33

Looks like pre-op or post-op Bo?

She looks chubbier than Bo.I think size wise she looks the same as Bo,

Boobs = Pre Op Bo.

I see a huge potential in this girl to be a superstar.

AssLover945

06-25-13, 19:35

Had her twice at Cherry. Love her look and body but this part I find a bit annoying.

Hate the showers at Cherry. Too small.Seriously you go there for a good shower?

Hahaha * Just kidding man * Maybe you like to have a good shower now and then, for me as everywhere, the girl is what matters.

And Cherry girls do all that I need. A man needs

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Traveler1234

06-25-13, 19:51

Cherry massage I was over it last week.Anyone ever tried Su?

AssLover945

06-25-13, 19:54

Actually he may be better off taking the airport express and booking a hotel at Makkasaan.Maybe, if money is not too much of an issue, I would suggest to check in into Novotel at Suvarnabhumi (book for 2. You and your girl). As far as I know there are 2-3 airport hotels that you can book in advance.

Book the girl by email or internet. Cherry Massage and Mango massage both respond to emails, or better still make a phone call and ask for someone to speak english and book the girl. Get the mamasan's mobile number and explain him the situation, I am sure She will help.

Ask for the girl to reach the hotel lobby at a certain time, that you expect to reach the hotel after clearing immigration etc.

As soon as you clear immigration get a 100 Bahts SIM card from downstairs, which is preactivated. Call up the mamasan's mobile before getting to the hotel.

Ask the hotel for a airport pickup, if you are lazy to walk.

Of course you have to pay for the transport of the girl, which should add extra to be around 600 THB or so (up and down from Cherry massage or mango massage).

I think this way the dude can save 2+ hours just on travel time and will ad up the fun time.

BTW there is an express immigration clearance service, if you really want to save time. I swear I have got into a taxi in 10 minutes flat after getting off the plane.

AssLover945

06-25-13, 20:00

Anyone ever tried Su?I have tried Su a few weeks back and she is a devil in bed. Sizeable boobs, which booblovers would enjoy holding on and have fun as pillows. And pointy dark nipples that stand out.

She has some stretch marks on her belly. Signs of a baby delivered, Other than that you have the promise of a fantastic time. Nice legs and heavenly BBBJ. God she has some sexy tongue moves that can make your dick feel molested after or during the session. She literally screwed my ass when she was doing the rimming and it was deeep man!

Su gets booked a lot for weekends and long stays at islands, so catching her has been a bit difficult.

Infact last week I went twice to get her back, but instead both times ended up trying other girls . Ploy and BB, who were also very good in their own way.

Bartchamdo

06-26-13, 07:24

Book the girl by email or internet. Cherry Massage and Mango massage both respond to emails, or better still make a phone call and ask for someone to speak english and book the girl.I recently had an experience with Mango where I made an appointment for the next day, but when I showed up they had no idea I was coming. Just because they respond to your email doesn't mean they actually communicate with the people who need to know. Very unprofessional.

Maybe phoning would be more reliable, but no guarantees. Confirm the appointment a few hours beforehand, if possible. If you do have a way to contact the mamasan directly hopefully that would be reliable.

Franciscass

06-26-13, 08:15

What is the mix of working vs normal gals at Maggie Choo? They have a swing?Difficult to tell. Along with working girls it attracts a lot of trendies. Swing? Yes as memory serves me they have. Best way to check this place out is to drop in.

Boobs786

06-27-13, 10:55

Hi EZ.

I will be in Bangkok next month. Which are the best 2 women you can recommend, who can work together and show me a great time?

BobbyGunsy

06-27-13, 17:48

Thank you for everyone replying my post regards to the near airport one. Mango sounds good and I had just sent them an email.

Bo sounds real good and I had a look at her pictures. How many shots can I take in Mango, or at others Massages?

Took bo for a 2hr spin. PSE pure and simple, she is the real deal

BBBJ's, anal, dfk, dty. 69, b2b at the most highest levels squeezed me easy 2 pops. Great personalty as well.

Had a lot of fun with her and she is now my all time favourite.

2300b + 200 tip as she deserved it.

Will see her again for sure.

Some American

06-27-13, 23:54

I stopped into Akane's Chit Lom location last week wanting the session where the second girl joins for the finale. They told me that wasn't available. I asked about other options I've had at the 33 location and after awhile it seemed that the only word they knew was no. It was confusing. I'm not bad looking, clean, hygienic, respectful and a reasonable tipper. I ended up splitting, taking the Skytrain to the other location where I had a wonderful session.

TConor

06-28-13, 02:10

I recently had an experience with Mango where I made an appointment for the next day, but when I showed up they had no idea I was coming. Just because they respond to your email doesn't mean they actually communicate with the people who need to know. Very unprofessional.

Maybe phoning would be more reliable, but no guarantees. Confirm the appointment a few hours beforehand, if possible. If you do have a way to contact the mamasan directly hopefully that would be reliable.And email, yes they reply. But that means nothing, Cherry's email and phone I've found to be very good.

Zauberfee

06-29-13, 08:51

Tried to get another shot at June at Snow White and failed."June mai ma" was the reply at the chashier when I asked about her. So I took a look at the lineup of about 8 girls, including 3 really young cuties, abd choosed Cash.

Cash has rather light skin, looks a little bit Chinese and is from Mukdahan. She's about 155 to 160 cm tall, has a nice big B cup, a little chubby belly and light brown hair. When I asked her about her age, she told me, that she's 26. My guess was that she's rather in the 28 to 32 range, and that was a polite guess. For example June, who is 32 looks much younger than her.

Cash is very talkative, but in a way that I didn't like. Lot's of tlak how nice and good she is, and how good she can take care of me, but the according actions were missing.

To make it short: a very uninspiring session. No kissing, no rimming, no butt fucking. She provided a deep a good BJ and I fucked her in several positions, that's it. Nothing to really rave about.

Cash is not necessarily a bad choice and some guys might like her attitude more than I did, but for me she was definately the wrong choice (especially considering the young cuties I skipped over)

Mankav512

06-29-13, 12:26

Hi EZ.

I will be in Bangkok next month. Which are the best 2 women you can recommend, who can work together and show me a great time?You can try Cindy and Candy. Cindy is a pornstar and Candy is GFE.

Zauberfee

06-30-13, 06:03

Finally at the end of my vacations I had my highlight. Actually I wanted to book Cream or Bo, but both were unavailable on Saturday. So my third option was Wan, mainly because she was advertised as an A+ girl. I couldn't have made a better choice.

Wan is 27 years old, from Udon Thani and 155 cm tall. She has light skin and a small, slightly hanging A-cup. She fits my criteria for pooying lek lek. The pics on the website are quite accurate on her. Albeit she looks very unsmiling on the pics. Wan is the complete opposite, being an extreme fun girl always having a broad smile on her face.

Performancewise she queues up well with with other great performers from Mango Massage like Ice, Bo, Amy, Apple or Cheer (the latter 3 not at Mango Massage anymore). No matter what you ask for, Wan delivers it with a smile: Great BBBJ, deep DFK's, nice rimming, great fucking both pussy and ass and finally took a huge load in her mouth. I was happy, Wan was happy, so it was the perfect end of my short trip to Thailand.

Please keep in mind that everything I wrote is based on my own experience, my personal preferences and my expectations. YMMV!

Goatscrot

06-30-13, 08:11