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I stayed at the hotel with the ex a few years ago and it was right across the alley from this place. No windows and an entrance like that are a good sign, but I didn't get to try. Actuality I think the entrance was around the right corner (east side) of the building as I walked by that side and saw about 20 chairs lined up behind each other in rows going up a slope and I only occasionally saw people coming out of this entrance. If time permits on my March trip, I'll check it out, but am wondering if anyone has any info. Its just a little bit north of the Earwan Shrine.
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Anyone happen to know if there is action here westerners can enjoy?The Place you refer to is Venus Soapy Massage I believe in Pratu Naam district (The Water Gate).
I would suggest you try instead Chaopraya II on North side of Sri Ayuthaya road not far away. I was a regular there years ago.
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Some very old info on Venus (from Mick Licker's Guide):
9.4. Venus
9.4.1. Overview
Rating: Not Recommended
Services: Soapie/Bath, Massage, Sex
Address: Near Big C, Ratchadamri Road, Pratu Nam
Tel: +66 (0)2 253 7785 to 6
Opening Hours:
Website:Soapy Massage Site (http://www.soapy-massage.com/bangkok-soapy-massage-12-rajadamri.html#Venus_turkish_bath_house_massage)
Price: (Nov 2006) 1700 Baht (1.5Hr)
9.3.3. General Info
Apparently has very small rooms with very small tubs. I haven't yet visited this MP.
9.3.5. How to Get There
1. Catch the BTS sktrain to Chitlom station and walk past Big C (opposite side to World Trade Centre). Its in a small Soi between the Bangkok City Inn Hotel and the Pratu Nam Canal Pier.
9.3.7. Links to Recent Reports
Jan 2008: El Greco (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=696582&highlight=Venus#post696582)
Jan 2008: El Greco (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=696409&highlight=Venus#post696409)
Jan 2008(Map): Mick Licker (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=695798&highlight=Venus#post695798)
Unfortunately I only got a little bit of play on this trip in as I was visiting the GF and to be honest, she's dam fine and I had fun with her so not too many complaints here. Being a noob here, can you suggest what went wrong here. I really wanted what the guy in the next room got. I'll be back in March and I'm going alone this time.No doubt the reason for the face reaction when you wanted to choose the particular girl, was because she was virtually out of action with some pussy problem, or her period, or whatever. Shit happens. Perhaps they could have told you she had a problem but were scared to lose your business completely.
Rather than ask about particular places, I suggest you read other guys' experiences and see what appeals. Then try one of those places recommended when you are not with GF, depending what style of fun appeals to you. Better still try several different styles. You might not know what you really like, till you experience it. Different guys on this forum have radically different things they look for.
I've been to that place three times, and all three times I was given BJ and FS. So I'm not sure what happened in your case. Maybe it depends on the girl. The last time I was there, I was actually serviced by a really beautiful girl in her early 20's. Maybe it was the same one you got? It took some convincing to get her to do FS, but she relented in the end.
I found myself with just over an hour of free time and decided to walk the street next to Soi Cowboy. I scouted the area, and picked out the place with the super cute girl that caught my eye. There were actually about three girls in front, but I really liked just one of them. I head in with all three in tow. Mama offers me one I wasn't really into, but still not bad. I told her I liked the other one. There seemed to be maybe some unwritten rule I had broken by the looks on their face, but Mama quickly told her to go with me and I thought everything was good. Went for an hour oil massage. As soon as I get in the room and the massage starts, I hear moaning and slapping next door. I thought I was in for a treat here. It ends up there was a 40 minute massage that was extremely bland and then the offer. Offered a HJ only and asked for 1.5 K at that. I asked for the whole thing and she rubbed her tummy and said no. Also asked for the BJ and she smiled and showed her braces. No. I tried a couple of times but always a no. Bummed, I managed to negotiate a better offer and went for a topless HJ. She was truly amazing in her looks. 22 YO, beautiful dark skin, almost see sized perfect firm but natural top. Lots of playing with that and I didn't last long.
That looks like a nice place, but I need to see the girls LOL. It is right next to Addict so I might pop in this week and check it out.+1 to that. Handy that have several MPs in the area, for ease of MP hopping, till find the girl you just have to have.
Optional and Syzygies, thanks for the replies / suggestions. This site is an almost endless trove of knowledge and I'm slowly working my way through the labyrinth taking notes as I go. A month out from the trip now so time to learn more. Its going to be amazing and I'll be the one with the smiles.
Thanks!
NopoProwler
02-06-16, 14:38
I hit Bongkot in the last few days and had Cash.
The experience was positive. Found her character very agreeable to mine, or maybe she happened to be in a good mood and I was in need of some self esteem in the form of GFE.
She welcomed me to the shop and when presented with the choice, I asked her is she was available and she was. Looks were a yes for me though YMMV, as is with age and height. She's not skinny around the waist but I find her well proportioned.
Everything I wanted, we did and she never rushed me, seemed to enjoying herself as well. A real pro. If there is something she doesn't do, it is out of the list of things I want. I'm pretty standard.
WIR? More yes than no.
Nopo
I hit Bongkot in the last few days and had Cash.
The experience was positive. Found her character very agreeable to mine, or maybe she happened to be in a good mood and I was in need of some self esteem in the form of GFE.
She welcomed me to the shop and when presented with the choice, I asked her is she was available and she was. Looks were a yes for me though YMMV, as is with age and height. She's not skinny around the waist but I find her well proportioned.
Everything I wanted, we did and she never rushed me, seemed to enjoying herself as well. A real pro. If there is something she doesn't do, it is out of the list of things I want. I'm pretty standard.
WIR? More yes than no.
NopoThanks for the report, I've been waiting to see if anyone else reviewed Cash apart from me. I found Cash very attractive in a kind of impish way, I thought her service was excellent, she gave me one of the top 5 BJs of my life and I really hope she is still working when I get back to Bangkok at the end of May.
Apparently she is a seasoned pro who used to be know as April at Tulip.
NopoProwler
02-07-16, 07:18
Thanks for the report, I've been waiting to see if anyone else reviewed Cash apart from me. I found Cash very attractive in a kind of impish way, I thought her service was excellent, she gave me one of the top 5 BJs of my life and I really hope she is still working when I get back to Bangkok at the end of May.
Apparently she is a seasoned pro who used to be know as April at Tulip.Impish? I would have never thought of that word to describe a girl in the P4P business, haha. Good stuff! Kinda makes me think of Cheer at Addict.
Yeah, Cash is nice and that makes her more attractive, I guess. True, her BJ skill are top notch. Don't know about her massage skills, I didn't ask for any (forgot to mention that).
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Crocodilexp
02-07-16, 08:38
I hit Bongkot in the last few days and had Cash. The experience was positive. Found her character very agreeable to mine, or maybe she happened to be in a good mood and I was in need of some self esteem in the form of GFE.
Had Cash a few months ago, and she was decent, did it all well enough, as is custom. Not much of a spark, though, for whatever reason. She's clearly professional enough, knows what she's doing, and isn't too lazy to do it. I wouldn't discourage anyone from trying her, though personally I most likely won't repeat.
At Bongkot my favorite is Nooknik, she's just amazingly sweet and provides very solid service at the same time. Although she's young, her body is not all that tight (to put it nicely).
James Dean 2
02-07-16, 09:08
Did either of you checking it out? I am a addict regular and really curious to know about the next door and whether its worth trying.
Cheers
+1 to that. Handy that have several MPs in the area, for ease of MP hopping, till find the girl you just have to have.
FritsVanegter
02-08-16, 14:59
Hello,
A few weeks ago I did send some sms to Honey bee massage shop to see what was on the menu. I paid 2400 before session started and soon realized the lady could not do what I did ask for. She and the ' door boy ' could not understand I wanted some kind of refund after I showed them the promises the manager did make by sms. Was already past closing time so I told them I will contact the manager the next day. She told me I was right so did give me back 1400 after talking to the girl. I told her to change her way of doing business and have a photobook with some extra info next to the girls photo so one could make a good selection. I returned a few days later to collect my money and did go next door to Analisa.
Liked that shop a lot with their special services. Most girls there are pretty to my standards but they are all mistresses so take care! The ones I had spoke real good English. The best service I got was from Soda. You can tell the reception what you like from a wide range of things and hope the mistress will stick to that!
The only so so session was with 2 ladies but I never had a good session with 2 ladies anywhere.
Also did visit Bongkot a few times. I like the talent over there! Especially June.
Did do some visits to Akane. Difficult to make a reservation there always seems to be crowded. But got some talent too.
Then Mitu opposite Akane in Soi 33. Some really pretty girls here. Good service all the time I did go there. Go for the VIP room. The manager there is a really nice guy. It is a bit more expensive than the other places. They open 10 am.
Next time I am in BKK I will make a booking there the day before and go there early in the morning and finish the day with a meeting at Analisa before hitting the street bars at lower Sukhumvit which did go down in quality a lot. Not a good place anymore to pick up FL for me. Lots of same same faces and the new talents popping up are usually from Africa which do have a bad reputation.
Maybe during my short summer holiday I will try the real Africa. I can imagine some real nice ladies can be found there too.
Oooh yeah, I got fed up with taxi drivers not using the meter traveling to and from the airport. When in town I never use taxi just stick to BTS MRT and walking.
Greetings, Frits.
P. S I did experience the mistress but I want to be a master myself. Not the one that hits but just some light submission. Where to find it?
Eric Swiss
02-09-16, 10:08
Did either of you checking it out? I am a addict regular and really curious to know about the next door and whether its worth trying.
CheersI thought I would take one for the team but the two girls sitting outside Club 102 were ugly, so I walked right into good old Addict.
In its previous incarnation as Touch of Class, this MP had too few girls and no stunners. I would assume it's the same until I hear otherwise.
Decent line-up at Addict. One girl whom I did not know looked pretty, so I picked her. Rather tall, slim, dark hair. Her name is Dara. She says she's been working here for a long time but I can't remember her face. She couldn't find the room, so I am doubtful.
I took the bathroom+nuru option, which comes at 2300 Baht for 1 hour. Highly recommended! The room is much more classy. Also the blue light in the ceiling makes for intimacy.
Bath was a bit crap. She ended up giving me a shower. Her English is really limited. Not much eye contact. When she washed my cock she got it hard and said it was big. Sometimes that can backfire, but I asked her if she was OK with it, and she said yes, so I was more or less protected.
Massage was crap. She did the legs very slowly and with no skill. At this point, all the alarm bells went off: no eye contact, not much intimacy, may be afraid of farang dick size, will take forever for as shitty massage and then starfish and rush me.
I dug into my database of expertise and decided to take an action I had never done before: as soon as she had finished the second leg, I flipped and told her to massage my front.
I think she was shocked, but in a good way, because it showed I am a man who knows what he wants. And at this point what I wanted was her. All of a sudden she turned very compliant and gave me an excellent handjob. Still no eye contact, but it was slow and lasted a long time.
Then I told her to suck me. She asked condom? I said no. Twice. And she blew me BBBJ. Once again, assertiveness pays off. Much to my surprise, it was an excellent blow job. Still no eye contact, but she was looking at my cock, so that was good enough. Very long, just the right speed, no teeth. The real pro.
At some point I was ready to fuck her. She fumbled with the condom, and then couldn't fit me in. Thankfully, due to the superior HJ and BJ, my erection was nearly indestructible by this time, otherwise it might have been a disaster.
Anyway, she has a really tight pussy. After a few tries she managed to fit me in. And we started banging. She was really into it. The first position she came in was both of us sitting on top of each other, facing one another. Her tummy was twitching like crazy. Either that, or she's in the top 5% of bedroom actresses I've seen.
I made her come again in a couple of other positions, the last one when I fucked her sideways, and I also unloaded at the same time. It is uncommon for Addict girls to come or to convincingly fake orgasms. But afterwards in the bathtub she told me she'd come 3 times. So I tipped her 300 Baht, 100 Baht each.
My theory is that she is relatively shy, not super used to farangs, but the size of their cocks turns her on, and that being led gently but firmly also turns her on. Either that or I just happened to pick her up on the day she ovulated.
Would I recommend? Yes, but more for the experienced punter, because otherwise you'll end up with the most expensive shitty massage you've ever had. Her body is excellent.
Would I repeat? Uncharacteristically, yes. She is the only one that even remotely approaches Sandy, albeit in a very different style. I think Sandy has a lot more volume of customers. Dara gives too much of herself for it to be sustainable. When I was walking outside, I was like: "What kind of thunderstorm just engulfed me?" I used to feel more of that in my earlier days of mongering, but now it is quite rare and a cherished feeling.
I took the bathroom+nuru option, which comes at 2300 Baht for 1 hour. Highly recommended! The room is much more classy. Also the blue light in the ceiling makes for intimacy.
Bath was a bit crap. She ended up giving me a shower. Her English is really limited. Not much eye contact. When she washed my cock she got it hard and said it was big. Sometimes that can backfire, but I asked her if she was OK with it, and she said yes, so I was more or less protected.
Massage was crap. She did the legs very slowly and with no skill. At this point, all the alarm bells went off: no eye contact, not much intimacy, may be afraid of farang dick size, will take forever for as shitty massage and then starfish and rush me.
Thanks Eric. Your report started a bit negative so lucky I continued. Funny you recommend room with bath but say the bath was crap. Personally I don't give a crap about the room as long as bed is okay I found either type of room okay (with or without bath) but only that filling bath led to much wasted time. I also don't give a crap about massage and HJ. So lucky the remaining parts of the report was all pretty good. LOL. Dara means "a Star" (or celebrity or actress) so it's a slightly unusual name, probably working name. Daaw (Dao) or Duang also mean "star' (in the sky) and are more common.
I think mucking around long time massaging legs is just time wastage too. I always take the sex part up front unless girl can turn me with a very good sexual body slide nuru gel thing. Is possible. No real massage for me. I tell girl no hands except for very light balls tickling. She can massage me with her tits, her ass, and her mouth (and eventually of course her pussy cameltoe or fucking).
Clearly somewhat assertive behavior (but not aggressive) is needed with girls to avoid time wastage on useless things. I like to take control of the procedures and therefore like girls good at going with the flow. If girl has all these procedures she has to follow religiously, that are of no interest to me, I get sick of her pretty quickly. I can only tolerate for a short time.
If she grabs my dick too hard, that is a real negative for me too. One of the most common mistakes by girls. They really need to learn light touch and fingernails not to be used under any circumstances for me. The lighter and slower the sexual touch of a girl, the better I like it.
My two Addict tries were pretty good, "First" and JJ, with JJ being the better one worth repeating. Good GFE and good body slide with super 69 being a highlight.
Eric Swiss
02-10-16, 07:55
Thanks Eric. Your report started a bit negative so lucky I continued. Funny you recommend room with bath but say the bath was crap. Personally I don't give a crap about the room as long as bed is okay I found either type of room okay (with or without bath) but only that filling bath led to much wasted time. I also don't give a crap about massage and HJ. So lucky the remaining parts of the report was all pretty good. LOL. Dara means "a Star" (or celebrity or actress) so it's a slightly unusual name, probably working name. Daaw (Dao) or Duang also mean "star' (in the sky) and are more common.The bathtub as a piece of furniture was excellent, but the ability of this girl to use it for erotic means was extremely limited. I think deep inside she agreed with you that waiting to fill the bathtub was a waste of time, so she showered me in the bathtub, which was actually pretty pleasant.
I think mucking around long time massaging legs is just time wastage too. I always take the sex part up front unless girl can turn me with a very good sexual body slide nuru gel thing. Is possible. No real massage for me. I tell girl no hands except for very light balls tickling. She can massage me with her tits, her ass, and her mouth (and eventually of course her pussy cameltoe or fucking).You mentioned cameltoe before. I do not normally use this term. I assume it means rubbing her pussy against the man's cock without condom or penetration, right?
My two Addict tries were pretty good, "First" and JJ, with JJ being the better one worth repeating. Good GFE and good body slide with super 69 being a highlight.Thanks for the recommendations. Next time I go, I may ask the Mamasan whether JJ is in the line-up.
You mentioned cameltoe before. I do not normally use this term. I assume it means rubbing her pussy against the man's cock without condom or penetration, right?
Thanks for the recommendations. Next time I go, I may ask the Mamasan whether JJ is in the line-up.Apologies, I had no idea what cameltoe was till recently as well. You got it right though. We really should avoid special words. Quite often Americans use special slang that is not used in my country at all, and given its sexual nature, we don't even experience it on TV. E. g. Poontang. "My bad" is clearly not real English (has no verb). Maybe heard it on TV but rarely. So I often run into terms that I have little clue of the meaning initially. Also British slang like shagging and snogging is not used where I come from and somehow sounds rather ugly. Bonking is a more common term for fucking where I come from. Actually I have spent so many years away from home mostly, that I probably have little clue about my own country's modern slang now.
We should all aim to write clear good simple English so even guys with English as a 2nd or 3rd Language can follow. Cameltoe is unfortunately not a term listed in the ISG abbreviations (and terms).
The bathtub as a piece of furniture was excellent, but the ability of this girl to use it for erotic means was extremely limited. I think deep inside she agreed with you that waiting to fill the bathtub was a waste of time, so she showered me in the bathtub, which was actually pretty pleasant.
You mentioned cameltoe before. I do not normally use this term. I assume it means rubbing her pussy against the man's cock without condom or penetration, right?
Thanks for the recommendations. Next time I go, I may ask the Mamasan whether JJ is in the line-up.I beg to disagree.
Cameltoe in my perception is, and confirmed by the Urban Dictionary means: 'When her pants are so tight you can read her lips!
'rubbing her pussy against the man's cock without condom or penetration' I believe is called 'sumata' in Japanese and is a premier technique to achieve BB sex with (western) women who won't allow it to start with.
It is hardly necessary in Thailand but one better not practice BB here anyway.
Cameltoe in my perception is, and confirmed by the Urban Dictionary means: 'When her pants are so tight you can read her lips!
Thanks for correction. I don't speak Japanese so Japanese terms mean nothing to me.
I guess I picked up wrong meaning (misinterpreted) from someone's ISG report where seemingly referred to Cameltoe as a service. Guess I will use different term in future. "Non-penetrative BB pussy slide" is a bit cumbersome. LOL
Use of pussy is one of the most essential erotic parts of a body slide massage.
Last year:
Does anyone know where I can get a bareback Cameltoe slide?
Thanks
I guess I picked up wrong meaning (misinterpreted) from someone's ISG report where seemingly referred to Cameltoe as a service. Guess I will use different term in future. "Non-penetrative BB pussy slide" is a bit cumbersome. LOL
Use of pussy is one of the most essential erotic parts of a body slide massage.
Last year:The term is used on pornsites mostly. However, English is like any language dynamic and evolving. You might just have coined a new meaning for it, if it catches on. I knew right away what you were talking about. My thinking is a bit of slang is often more colorful and guys here catch on quickly. Where I come from screwing is used a lot more than fucking which has a bit of a nasty connotation. Screwing (over) however also means deceiving or tricking.
Use of pussy is one of the most essential erotic parts of a body slide massage.
Slightly off the topic of "massage parlors" but your comment about "massage with a pussy" reminded me of my very first visit to a bar in Bkk soon after my first ever visit there (it was sort of Sports Bar too, not a go go bar).
I was sitting on a bar stool with my feet on the railing so my long legs were sticking out and the sexy waitress in a very short skirt came to take my order and she pushed up against one of my knees with her pussy when she asked me if I was ready (to order). She started to rub her pussy up and down against my knee but when I looked at her there was no eye contact with me or anything sexy and it didn't "appear" as though it was a deliberate flirting act but just something she did because my knee was in the way (smile).
I delayed giving my order for food for as long as possible and eventually after my order she just walked away as if nothing had happened.
If I knew then what I know now I would have tried to get her number or follow up with her, but it certainly opened my eyes to the thai woman's inate sexuality.
The term is used on pornsites mostly. However, English is like any language dynamic and evolving. You might just have coined a new meaning for it, if it catches on. I knew right away what you were talking about. My thinking is a bit of slang is often more colorful and guys here catch on quickly. Where I come from screwing is used a lot more than fucking which has a bit of a nasty connotation. Screwing (over) however also means deceiving or tricking.Ibnormally use the direct tern fucking. No problem with ot. Not totally polite but neither is this forum.
Screwing is no more polite for me.
In Thai language it is better to be polite so.
Ao gun (take each other) or.
Mee arai gun (have something together).
What is the import skill set that an MP girl should possess? I don't refer to services like anal, where no actual skill is needed I think. What is the importance level for the skills? I also don't refer to chemistry, attitude, fun level, or GFE. Energy and stamina may be relevant.
For me:
BBBJ very slow motion sloppy and virtually no hands (not too brief). Moderate importance.
Deep throat. Nice but low importance.
Pussy squeeze. Nice but low importance.
HJ. Zero importance.
Real massage. Zero importance to me. Go to a Spa for real massage.
Sexy soft slow body slide massage. Moderate importance.
Ball tickling / massage no nails. High importance for me.
I am sure other guys are very different, right?
I guess DFK, rimming, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, and anal are hardly skills but just services.
Are we really looking for a skill set or is it more-so a service set?
What is the import skill set that an MP girl should possess? I don't refer to services like anal, where no actual skill is needed I think. What is the importance level for the skills? I also don't refer to chemistry, attitude, fun level, or GFE. Energy and stamina may be relevant.
For me:
BBBJ very slow motion sloppy and virtually no hands (not too brief). Moderate importance.
Deep throat. Nice but low importance.
Pussy squeeze. Nice but low importance.
HJ. Zero importance.
Real massage. Zero importance to me. Go to a Spa for real massage.
Sexy soft slow body slide massage. Moderate importance.
Ball tickling / massage no nails. High importance for me.
I am sure other guys are very different, right?
I guess DFK, rimming, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, and anal are hardly skills but just services.
Are we really looking for a skill set or is it more-so a service set?The "skill set" is how well that "service set" is performed.
BBBJ is of course important. I do like good hand action that follows the mouth up and down the shaft. DT is not too important but I don't like a gal that can't go much past the head. I am not a fan of a "soft" BJ. I prefer it rather intense. The best gals are able to gauge my level of excitement and bring me up and down several times before climax.
My balls are rather sensitive, so I don't really care if much attention is paid to them or not. If so, it needs to be quite light.
I do like a gal who can give a good strong Thai massage in between rounds. That is fairly important to me.
Not into body slide at all.
Good HJ is quite nice to get revved for round 2.
Also like a gal who is good at rimming. A well placed finger in the keister is nice as well. Again, the gal really has to know what she is doing.
Enthusiasm is important as is being responsive.
As far as the act is concerned a gal should be able to match the rhythm of her customer and vary accordingly.
I also like a gal who can talk dirty and do it convincingly.
Good DFK is important as well. Some even rather experienced gals are still not good kissers.
I also like a gal who can talk dirty and do it convincingly.
Good DFK is important as well. Some even rather experienced gals are still not good kissers.I think in general, girls that are not good kissers, are just not into tongue play that much or have weak chemistry going on, or maybe braces. I only met one girl Kelly (latina) whose tongue went just a bit too powerful and deep, for my liking. I am highly tongue oriented person. Good DFK gets me hard quicker than any other way.
I hate dirty talk generally, but light dirty talk is okay If very natural and not an act. E. g. "stick that dirty big cock in my wet pussy" is completely redundant and sounds like a stupid porno movie to me. A turn off for me to be saying stuff that is completely unnecessary and distracting. It comes a across as bossy orders to me as well. She could just say "faster" or "deeper" if something needed to change.
I completely agree that balls touching has to be extremely light (no nails). Ball licking is very good, not so much ball sucking. It is an area of sensitivity for me so definitely helps to get me off. My dick is not always sensitive enough on its own depending on the feel of BJ or pussy.
Interesting that the BJ requirements can be so different. This means without instruction from me, 90% of girls are not doing BBBJ how I like it. Some girls can change for me, but many cannot. Girls don't really understand my slow motion requirement. Some girls are using the hand as well but not lightly enough for me. Nothing worse than hand rubbing friction on the dick. Needs to be either very gentle with lube or move the skin gently with the hand so no direct friction. A girl that you rate as a 9 for BJ could be only a 5 or 6 for me, simply due to different requirement. A highly skilled girl for you could be average for me and visa versa.
I always stress that guys reporting about a girl really need to explain exactly why they liked her service. Stating she was good is just not good enough.
I think the most important skill set for any girl not just a MP girl is the ability to adjust to the customer's stated or demonstrated preference for longer than 3 strokes before reverting back to auto pilot with some counterptoductive pattern that might have been ok for her previous 10 customers but just isn't doing it for this one. Talking mostly about the BJ portion of the session here. But it can also apply to some weird move the girl keeps making with FS.
Of all of it, the lack of that one key skill set is what keeps me away from most MPs because that is the P4 P option where I have encountered the most offenders of the misguided auto pilot quirk.
Of all of it, the lack of that one key skill set is what keeps me away from most MPs because that is the P4 P option where I have encountered the most offenders of the misguided auto pilot quirk.I agree. Girls unable to adapt to what customer likes is my worst problem after dick scared girls. I often commented I like go with the flow girls, but should add to that felxibility and adaptability.
I also dislike girls that quicly revert to auto pilot or standard procedures. Just see what I like is better.
All my favourites are either stunning to my eye or adaptable or preferrably both.
I think the most important skill set for any girl not just a MP girl is the ability to adjust to the customer's stated or demonstrated preference for longer than 3 strokes before reverting back to auto pilot with some counterptoductive pattern that might have been ok for her previous 10 customers but just isn't doing it for this one. Talking mostly about the BJ portion of the session here. But it can also apply to some weird move the girl keeps making with FS.
Of all of it, the lack of that one key skill set is what keeps me away from most MPs because that is the P4 P option where I have encountered the most offenders of the misguided auto pilot quirk.That has been my experience in soapies and non-PSE oilies. I find that in the PSE shops most gals can monitor and adjust to the customer. My favs have always been the types of gals that can play it many ways. Some days I am feeling more aggressive and want to run the show and other days I want to lie back and just get serviced. The good ones can play any role well.
Recap.
3 weeks in Bangkok. Mostly regulars. Rather conservative. Some taken twice. Most beautiful girl, tall model Donut at CH. Enjoyable as well. Repeat every chance.
No Soapies other than Annies as my regulars at other venues have disappeared or deteriorated. Did not even visit Ansterdam, Nataree or La Belle.
Tried 3 new girls only, new for me. Best adaptable girl was JJ at Addict. Nice GFE DFK, exquisite BJ and 69, enthusiastic fuck, go with the flow.
Snow White girl okay But not really GFE and less adaptable.
Free Lancer petite cute Apple was sweet but a disastwr on bed. Weak kissing, weak BJ, no pussy feel, saggy tits, 3 kids.
Checking girls naked is nuch safer for me, but performance is not guaranteed. Do meet freeze up types in the bedroom on occasions, but no risk with regulars.
Managed to make my way over to Addict Massage for the first time. They had between 15 to 20 girls already lined up when I arrived. A really nice tall one caught my eye, but was taken by another customer before I could grab her. I settled on Ja Ja. A 5'4" 20 year old cute, which a decent ass. She led me upstairs to our room. The room was nothing fancy, but it was clean. Shower in the corner. No sink or toilet. Ja Ja left the room to go get her "kit" and came back after about 5 minutes carrying a glass of water which I had asked for. We got undressed and we both got in shower. While she soaped me up, I admired her young body. She was about a be cup I would guess. Decent rack, good size, looked nice, even with a few stretch marks. For me the best part about her was her hips and ass. An ass you can hold. I'm always happy with a decent ass on Asian women, they're really hard to find. We made our way to the bed after the shower and she asked if I wanted sex first or massage first. Sex. For sure. I was already standing up pretty hard at this point. Began with some DFK and some caressing. I really enjoyed the curves of her body. Kissed her tits. Her breasts were soft but not droopy. I kissed her all over her back and made my way down to her but, came close to diving in with my tongue, but just teased her. I turned her over and motioned for her to start giving me some head. She obliged with a BBBJ, not too long just enough to let me enjoy the sight of the lines of her back and hips move as she sucked. I put on my hat and went at her doggie, mish, cowboy, reverse cowboy. She wasn't particularly talented at riding, but sight of her body on top of mine was all I needed to keep me hard. I eventually finished in missionary, and slumped over exhausted. After our separate cleanup showers, she offered me a massage. Apparently she used to work as a legitimate masseuse, and hence her massage was actually quite good, after 25 minutes or so I started getting turned on again, and went in for another go, but wasn't able to finish, don't know why, just wasn't in me.
Final scores:
Face: 8/10 She's cute for sure, with nice teeth.
Body: 8/10 Overall very nice.
Performance: 7/10 Not the best, but not bad.
Attitude: 9/10 Very sweet girl, she says she's only worked there for a month.
WIR: yes for sure.
Was that Jar jar at Addict or Jay jay?
Sounds like same girl I did on 27 Jan:
Mid afternoon started my MP circuit.
At Addict. Line up was about 25 girls. Baffling and confusing. Mid afternoon is a mistake in a way as could not get adjusted to the dim lighting too well coming from bright sunshine. I could see the girl shapes but not their faces too clearly. Obviously heaps have nose jobs so I wanted to check the look better than my eyes were managing. In the end, the girl on the very end was in better light and closer to me. I could see her tits looked soft and nose looked quite straight. Probable nose job but a good one. Not the slimmest but face was cute enough. I gave her the nod.
Girl was J. J. From Bangkok. Soft natural be cups slightly saggy (probable baby but did not see stretch marks). Just 20 yo. Not exactly skinny but not fat at all. No flab. Good soft ass.
Nice opening kiss and nice play in the shower. Goid fun GFE overall. She started a gel massage but I taught her about fake massage using tits and ass. Good camel toe despite lack of experience. She says just 3 days experience.
69 was blissful. BBBJ not that deep but she knew how to go soft and slow and tickle the balls at same time. Fucked in many positions. Her pussy had very nice soft grip but she could take it all. Sometimes a young mum suits me better. Especially enjoyed slapping against her soft ass.
After 3 moderately ordinary P4 P fucks this week, this session was the most enjoyable and certainly goes on the repeat list. She probably has a few years of sex eperience despite only 20. Not a PSE but very good GFE. More memorable than my first addict girl.
Did not notice if girls have numbers or just names..
I really enjoyed this girl. Could not do Deep Throat but I really enjoyed the service. Can't recall now for sure if did cow girl or not but I was very happy overall.
Ja Ja was written on her kit box. But she is exactly how you describe her. 20 yo from Bangkok. Tits were a little saggy. But again, couldn't really find any other evidence of a baby. No deep throat. Sweet through the whole thing. Not skinny but no flab. I think we're talking about the same girl. She had a medium complexion, not dark but definitely not light skinned.
Nice girl overall.
Was that Jar jar at Addict or Jay jay?
Sounds like same girl I did on 27 Jan:
I really enjoyed this girl. Could not do Deep Throat but I really enjoyed the service. Can't recall now for sure if did cow girl or not but I was very happy overall.
Travel Lucid
02-15-16, 06:49
I am an occasional contributor to the Macau forum, and in the past the Dubai & Abu Dhabi forums, and have recently "rediscovered" Bangkok. My first visit to BKK a good few years ago was a bit of a let down, as I think I went to the wrong places. However, on two my latest trips Its been a bit of a (re) discovery.
I had intended to visit once for a short break over the New Year / Christmas period, but ended up with a dental emergency, and then returned a few weeks later to complete the treatment. Luckily, I found myself in one of the dental out servicing capitals of the world; good dentist (I was well advised) and even better prices. And another visit to BKK (a short flight from SG) Generally, I Hate dentists, but could not have done better. Of course, somethings one avoids after dental treatments, both for oneself and who one is with. However, all this is not really the subject of this post.
Generally, I cannot recall someone's name or service price, unless there was a reason to remember. Prices are typically well menu'ed and sometimes also available via the net. Also, you will notice that I like the eastern or "Japanese" type services, and do not do go-go or beer bars (but I might explore this a little on a another trip.).
Dr BJ (Sukhumvit Soi 7/1). Thought I would try a BJ place at least once. It was early evening around 7 pm on a Friday. As other reviews have described, quite a varied section of girls, and you get to choose from a gathering when you arrive. Upstairs, it all "made for purpose"; small room, well positioned basin for a good washing and a comfy chair. But decor could all do with a bit of a make over. Lady was quite chatty and guided me through the preparation "process". Negotiation for her to remove her top; I expected that. The BBBJ was actually quite good; she know what she was doing. Not sure I would repeat the experience.
Nyan Nyan (Sukhumvit Soi 33). This is a soapy / nuru place. Met at the door my an elderly gentleman (spoke Japanese) sitting with his card playing companion. Chose from a booklet of photo's; I wish they would point out those not on duty right away, ends up a sort of shaggy dog story. Anyway, got shown a small room by my chosen lady. I think what one would call a "pro". I had asked for nuru, but the room not really set up for it. Lady took ages on the shower on her own, and then a very cursory "massage" with a but of Nuru gel. I will not go into any more detail. But from other reports, this place is YMMV! I might go back, just to see if this is the case.
Akane (Sukhumvit Soi 33). Entrance / reception floor covered on white polystyrene packaging material; Amazon had been delivered for Christmas. Actually, quite an amusing nod to Christmas snow. I chose the two girl "package"; said yes to a girl that full of smiles and asked that she chose a friend. Good call! They where obviously good friends, and the session was just all laughs and giggles, probably a lot at my expense. Great nuru session with a girl "back to bacK" as it where. (They were not into each other, but to be expected.) After, a nice "warm down" on the large bed. Would definitely do again.
Kochoran (Sukhumvit Soi 33). So this is a happy ending place, with a good body scrub. I like these experiences. (I am frequent visitor to Macau sauna's where a similar service is common, although typically shorter in duration and in better surroundings.) Managed broken Japanese with the lady (my Japanese much worse than hers.) Also, the pet cats seemed to like me, so spent some time at the end chatting to the mamasan and her cats over a cup of really good tea. You will like this place if you are into this sort of thing. Maybe just experience it once. Or go to Macau.
Also, on another evening went to the massage place a few doors down; was offered "full service" with massage for 1500 bt. Small room with shower. Massage far better than the sex.
Mitu (http://mitubangkok.com/) Sukhumvit Soi 33. There are two entrances, the one at ground level is "Japanese massage" (whatever that is? And the the entrance above is "no hands massage". I did the no hands massage, went for top price (around 5,000 bt) with Piros (I think her name was.) Proper room; large bed, big air mattress and bath tub / wet area. Piros was lovely; tall, slim (not really skinny) and with a bit of an attitude (a nice one! Nuru was real; over, under, sideways, lots of rubbing and touching. One of the nicest experiences. Actually managed two pops (unusual for me), but not sure she noticed the first. Expensive, but recommended.
The Lord Palace. Soi Ratchada 7, Near The Emerald Hotel, Ratchadapisek Road. Walking distance from the MRT (Huai Khwang is probably the closer, and the walk more interesting). I thought that I would try a "high end" soapy. This place is massive, the entrance has the fish bowl, and there are chairs to lounge in and order a drink. However, it's necessary to go stand in front of the fish bowl to get a proper look. Actually the overall design is just wrong. Lots to choose from (I was there on a Sat around 8 pm). I recall the cost for the service was 5,000-6000 BT, with a decent room and hot tub. All I can say is that it was a pleasant experience. GFE, with some good conversation; I think the que was taken from my mood at the time. Given phone number of contact details, but did not take up the offer.
Given the size of the place, and the number of staff, I wonder if offering just soapy massages is missing a trick. (Again, I am used to Macau saunas, where there are lots of other services available in order that one may relax.).
I think a may try a few more of these places on further visits, but not Lord's again.
Miss BJ Sukhumvit 22. This is NOT actually a BJ place. It seems to be new (by the decor), and somewhat positioned like Addict (despite the tee shirts). On the evening I was there (Monday I think), lots of very good looking girls. I chose "Dee" and the Full Service package for (I think) 2,000 bt. Small room, with shower but very clean and done with some taste.
I had great time! Dee has a body to die for, and was up for just about anything, including in the shower. Basically, she is Sex on toes. One of those times when fucking just feels so good! (Dee told me that she had just joined, have done a boring office job for a few years.) Highly recommended. As I think it's new, and trying to build a reputation.
Addict, Sukhumvit, Soi 24/1. This place is reviewed extensively already, and I have not that much to add. Went here twice. First time, took the soap / bath option. Chose lady from the line up who made good eye contract. Great experience, nice soap bath with plenty of touching and rolling about, including a long BBBJ. On the bed it was all positions done with a good sense of fun. Just what is needed after a long day of not doing much.
Second visit, slow mid week evening, same routine. This time, despite good eye contact in the line up, lady turned out to be somewhat reserved, and did not seem to like the bath water. Although she was pleasant, session was a bit of a struggle, and I angled to leave earlier. As they say, YMMV!
And then. Thai / oil / foot massages at various places along Sukhumvit. Let me say that I do like foot massages. Some of my friends simply do not get it, but for me its an excuse for 1-2 hrs of total relaxation. Somehow, they always bring down my stress levels. And god bless the practitioners who do this service well. Some are just far better than others.
Also, I can easily kill an afternoon by doing a Thai / Oil massage. The first couple of Thai massages, after having not had one for a long while, can be excruciating. And also, by pure serendipity I have have experienced some of the best sex during these adventures. Just go in with no expectations apart from a good massage, and just see where things lead. One session on Sukhumvit Soi 22 resulted in one of the best B2 B and BBBJ's that I have ever had. (I think the anticipation and then finding one of these experiences is far better that visiting a BJ bar). The best places for massages for me was Sukhumvit 22, and on Sukhumvit itself 200 metres either side of the Holiday Inn.
I liked BKK, just to be able to get a good massage, of any kind. And I did facial, pedicure, manicure, Thai, oily. At what is a very reasonable cost is one of the best things about Bangkok. (Although, I did not manage body shave and waxing. But that maybe for another day.).
Eric Swiss
02-16-16, 10:54
I went to Nataree and from 20 meters away the same papasan I had before stands up, walks towards me, and greets me like an old friend.
I don't go that often, so these people have incredible visual memory, given how many customers they get. Anyway, I like him, so I don't mind he harpooned me.
I went through the line-up, and right at the entrance there was a 3000 Baht girl whom I'd done before. But I felt adventurous and walked on. All the way to the young girls, 5000 Baht.
Papasan said there were two sisters, one younger sister, one older sister. In the middle was a slightly less skinny girl, but with a bright smile and subservient attitude and good eye contact, so I picked her. The sisters were pissed.
Her name was Dao. I tipped the papasan 100 Baht for remembering me.
We went upstairs, and she didn't speak one word of English. Often I find that works better for me. Body language, and all that. She was 20 years old, with huge natural tits. She's going to look like crap when she hits 26, but right now she is sending all the markers of fertility. That's what gets a man's hind brain going.
Anyway, the bath was subpar, there was no hand job, the blow job was covered, but she was 20 and she had a great rack and she had nice eyes and a nice smile so she could do no wrong. I was wondering what would happen with the fucking.
Much to my amazement, after 3 strokes I was ready to explode. Normally I have more the other issue: that I can't climax within the allotted time without special maneouvers. But this one turned me into a 20 year old virgin with his first girlfriend.
I disbelieved, so used the old trick of changing position to sitting face-to-face, also known as the "beast with two backs". To no avail: 4 strokes later I was back on the verge. In the end I banged her missionary but veeeryy slooowlly so I wouldn't pop. To be on the verge for so long was truly a treat. Maybe a bit tantric, I assume, but I am no expert in this field.
For the grand finale, I banged her doggy style and let it rip. I lasted 1 minute more than I would have thought, but it was well worth it. Now I know what it feels like to be one of those Japanese / Korean customers who come near instantly.
Anyway, I like the 5000 Baht girls, they are in the mood and unhurried. Is it worth it? Personally I like a bit more banging and a bit less tantric tightrope walking. Would I recommend? Only for those who have great self-control.
But banging a hot 20 years old with big tits who is displaying all the natural signs of fertility is a huge treat. She can probably get pregnant just by sniffing semen.
Ralph Kramden
02-16-16, 13:44
I went to Nataree and from 20 meters away the same papasan I had before stands up, walks towards me, and greets me like an old friend.
I don't go that often, so these people have incredible visual memory, given how many customers they get. Anyway, I like him, so I don't mind he harpooned me.
I went through the line-up, and right at the entrance there was a 3000 Baht girl whom I'd done before. But I felt adventurous and walked on. All the way to the young girls, 5000 Baht.
Papasan said there were two sisters, one younger sister, one older sister. In the middle was a slightly less skinny girl, but with a bright smile and subservient attitude and good eye contact, so I picked her. The sisters were pissed.
Her name was Dao. I tipped the papasan 100 Baht for remembering me.
We went upstairs, and she didn't speak one word of English. Often I find that works better for me. Body language, and all that. She was 20 years old, with huge natural tits. She's going to look like crap when she hits 26, but right now she is sending all the markers of fertility. That's what gets a man's hind brain going.
Anyway, the bath was subpar, there was no hand job, the blow job was covered, but she was 20 and she had a great rack and she had nice eyes and a nice smile so she could do no wrong. I was wondering what would happen with the fucking.
Much to my amazement, after 3 strokes I was ready to explode. Normally I have more the other issue: that I can't climax within the allotted time without special maneouvers. But this one turned me into a 20 year old virgin with his first girlfriend.
I disbelieved, so used the old trick of changing position to sitting face-to-face, also known as the "beast with two backs". To no avail: 4 strokes later I was back on the verge. In the end I banged her missionary but veeeryy slooowlly so I wouldn't pop. To be on the verge for so long was truly a treat. Maybe a bit tantric, I assume, but I am no expert in this field.
For the grand finale, I banged her doggy style and let it rip. I lasted 1 minute more than I would have thought, but it was well worth it. Now I know what it feels like to be one of those Japanese / Korean customers who come near instantly.
Anyway, I like the 5000 Baht girls, they are in the mood and unhurried. Is it worth it? Personally I like a bit more banging and a bit less tantric tightrope walking. Would I recommend? Only for those who have great self-control.
But banging a hot 20 years old with big tits who is displaying all the natural signs of fertility is a huge treat. She can probably get pregnant just by sniffing semen.I concur 100% and have had great luck with the 4-5000 range at Nataree. I would much rather lust with one of them than an overpriced so-called model at some other place. To each his own.
I have always had favorable results with the 2600 baht ladies, as they are only 20-21 anyway. And come in different sizes, sometimes huge natural racks included in that set, but many times not. I only did one of their 5000 baht models once and it was a dud. Great body language and chemistry on the floor but she just went cold / distance / starfish in the room. Since then, when I go there I just never saw a model I liked so I never bothered to really explore that area.
Ja Ja was written on her kit box. But she is exactly how you describe her. 20 yo from Bangkok. Tits were a little saggy. But again, couldn't really find any other evidence of a baby. No deep throat. Sweet through the whole thing. Not skinny but no flab. I think we're talking about the same girl. She had a medium complexion, not dark but definitely not light skinned.
Nice girl overall.The girl told me her name was Jay Jay (J J), without spelling it. Staff in MPs don't know how to spell names sensibly anyway, in English. So I am sure its the same girl too.
The only Ja Ja I ever heard of was Binks in the Phantom Menace Star Wars movie. LOL.
I have always had favorable results with the 2600 baht ladies, as they are only 20-21 anyway. And come in different sizes, sometimes huge natural racks included in that set, but many times not. I only did one of their 5000 baht models once and it was a dud. Great body language and chemistry on the floor but she just went cold / distance / starfish in the room. Since then, when I go there I just never saw a model I liked so I never bothered to really explore that area.Duds can be at any level, and I had my share of them at Nataree, many years ago, with some girls OK. Never really found any favourite material but I did not try the expensive ones.
At least you risk less money.
PerezPerez
02-18-16, 06:23
Landed at Suwarnabhum airport 12 am, it took very long to get VOA and pass immigration, thanks to our Chinese and Indian friends for the long queue. Reached hotel by 2:30 am, check in completed and quickly left to find something.
Went straight to Nana plaza area but stumble inn was closed by 2 am as it was 3 am by that time. So started looking for some FL, I have been out of luck for FL's but still tried as no option that time. Spoke to some on the streets, quoted 1500 for 1 shot, checked few and settled with one. Called the taxi and back to our hotel. On the way I asked why she was quiet and look not happy, she didn't answer clearly and uttered in Thai to mind my own business. She was not aware I can clearly speak Thai, still I pretended I didn't understand and ignored it, so that it does not escalate. But she kept complaining on something or the other on that short drive and made an expression that she was tolerating me, now I started getting annoyed but still kept my calm. By the time we reach my hotel room, as soon as we entered my room, she made a very unpleasant face and said something insulting without any reason, to which my patience gave up. I took out 200 Baht cash handed it to her and said "auk bpai deuni loi (leave immediately)", her face changed as soon as she heard this. She hurled some abuses and off she went. I normally do not lose my temper easily and I consider myself tolerant, I travel internationally often due to business and holidays too, I have lived in Thailand for over 5 years, I know Thai people and aware of Thai culture well, still couldn't understand what was wrong.
What a beginning I thought. Straight went to the 7-11 grab something to eat and walked towards pak-soi. Almost lost hope of getting some action, suddenly noticed villa market to my left (Soi 11), and some massage parlors inside, few girls waiting outside and others sleeping on their chairs.
Villa market: One tall and slim girl decent looking and smiling face called me in and I went, the cubicle inside was small (hardly can fit two person). She said full service with massage 1500, I didn't say anything. She started with a decent Thai massage and then sex on missionary and doggie. Nothing great to write about, but not bad either. She even cared to ask me what I like and if I was enjoying. Overall good at that situation and that time. She was form Issan and a mother of a 4 yr old, but I could hardly say from her figure nor she had any stretch marks. Went back hotel and to sleep.
Wake up 11 am, had breakfast from 7-11 as the hotel breakfast was crappy. Then took shower and headed to Khun Rin (hana soi-22), had a 1 hour ball massage what was excellent as always and she was glad to see me once again too. Had some small talk about life and Bangkok and then left happily from there. Had some non-mongering stuff to do so I will not go into that. By 5 pm I was free and went around soi-24 to checkout the Oliles. I have heard from ISG members that ICE was back to Mango so went straight there and found out she was not coming for few days and no idea if she will be back, checked the lineup, it was pretty ordinary to my taste and as I didn't know any others so decided to leave. On my way out I passed through Orient, where I have been during my last trip with a Chaing mai cute girl, she was really cute and good body but a dud on the bed, anyway walked past and went to Asoke next.
Walked to Soi 14 and the first right Alley to Som's heaven. Some young looking girls sitting outside, choose one slim and small one, most importantly who had eager and happy look. Said 700 and 100 for drinks, started at the bar itself on the red couch. As soon as she began blowing, I realized something was wrong, then I remembered a discussion on ISG thread, quickly asked her to stop and went to the wash room to wash off with soap. Came back and asked what she ete, she replied "phat kraphao", she apologized and said if it was spicy. I didn't spoil the mood and politely asked her to go and clean her mouth and use some mouthwash to clear that pepper sting. She did and came back. Fortunately I stopped on time and due to washing my part with soap water the burning was gone now and the work resumed, which ended happily in her mouth. Her skill was decent, good deep throat and she didn't spit out often. She said she was 22 and she had a daughter, she was working there for 4 months. She asked for tip, I would have given but thinking her carelessness I ignored, paid the bill and left.
Next Day: Went to Tulip around 7:30 pm and took Ying, she as an absolute delight, good personality, as soon she realized I can speak Thai she became a good friend. Normally I do not speak in Thai and pretend to be a tourist as some placed do not allow or avoid Thai speaking people. She was a great combination of PSE and GFE, she enjoyed DATY more than anyone else I had in my life. She came while riding me, and lied on my chest for over 15 minutes motionless. Started again and without asking put it in her back hole, I enjoyed it, did in multiple position and finished dog. So far and in this trip was the best experience. She will leave this industry and be back to her home before Songkran. So if anyone want to try make sure to reach before Songkran. Three shots in 2 hours never happened before, I was totally exhausted.
Planed to try to place I heard a lot about from ISG members one is Mitu and a soapy called Biwa which is far from the mongering zone, but I couldn't make it in this trip.
It was 11 pm, thought of checking out some places so had a drink and went to Thermae, it's a bar located underground a hotel in between Soi 13 and 15, it's a popular joint for FL. It was Saturday night and I have never seen so many young and good looking FL together before. It was full of Japanese punters and very few westerners. Spoke to some of the FL and they quoted 2500/ shot to 4000/ shot depending on their looks, age and figure I guess. There was no way I would spend 2500 for a shot when I can get a great 2 HR PSE for that amount from professionals. Moreover I am not lucky with FL's and I do not know how their body actually is inside their cloths and how will they perform. Left after the beer finished. But if you are up for young and good looking FL this is the place. You can say better version of beer garden.
Last day of my trip: Checkout from hotel kept the luggage and went to 101 premier, as I have some good experience there and I have 2 confirmed girls I could take, time was limited to walk around for hopping. When I reached there only 2 girls available as it was 1 pm only and Valentine's day. I left and walked passed dream heaven, went inside and found same situation here only 2 girls available and I liked none so walked out again. Time was running out as I had flight in the afternoon. Saw this place on the main street of Soi 26 Yorimichi went in, and was given the album, asked for lady with "no-baby" so the lady suggested 3 out of which 1 she highly recommended she was Nadei, seems heavily photoshopped picture. She was different in real and much older. 37 Yrs old from Issan fair skin. She asked my age and immediately she started calling me "nong chai" younger brother. I didn't like the idea to fuck her while she calling me brother, anyway ignored and went in. As soon she realized I can speak Thai she started chatting and giving me lectures like how this thing works, its her job only, no feelings, everything gets over once customer leaves and so on. It was a bit turn off for me, but still I ignored and tried to not speak to her. The last session was taking longer than expected and I asked if she was OK, to which she said not to worry about her and focus on my own feelings and enjoyment. I kept my mouth shut once again. Now she started complaining that I was taking long time and to finish quickly, I knew it was coming so kept my cool and focused on the deed and finished somehow. Overall not a good choice of girl, the place looks decent, newly renovated and clean, may be the other girls there would be better. I can't remember her name but there was a dark skin, tall girl sitting downstairs when I came to this place. I might try her next time, If I return.
Left to hotel to collect bags and off to airport. There was a small incident which I have written about on general thread. Please excuse my poor writing skill and any grammar mistake.
PerezP,
Like me she probably understood "auk pai" as get out, but what is "deuni loi"?
Maybe should be "diaow nee" for immediately. I guess that "deuni" is close to that. "loi" means float.
It should be ler-ee or loey. Finally worked it out. I admit Thai is very tough to write in English.
Even I always speak Thai to girls, i don't normally get any lectures so must have been bad luck. I have had some great and some average sessions at Yoremichi. Unfortunately the fabulous girl Bai Fern is long gone. I always chose a girl from line up not pictures. Except for Bai Fern. I saw her on the start of the soi and followed her to her workplace. She was too hot to ignore.
Stumble Inn is really for day time not late at night. There are plenty of freelancers out late but 3am is not the best time to get a great girl unless have time to get to know her a bit. I had one freelancer who was very nice from a portable bar, and OK attitude but just turned out to be a dud on the bed. Bad luck happens.
AssLover945
02-18-16, 19:24
Mamasan called me to help initiate a newbie fresh off the farm!
And who would I be to deny that opportunity?
So off to soi 24/1 at Candy Massage.
And boy oh boy, what a nice surprise I had.
Raw, passionate, great kisser and was fully enjoying the sex part.
A well spent 2 hours today.
WIR? Hell yes.
Pics for all gentlemen.
AL.
Mamasan called me to help initiate a newbie fresh off the farm!
And who would I be to deny that opportunity?
So off to soi 24/1 at Candy Massage.
And boy oh boy, what a nice surprise I had.
Raw, passionate, great kisser and was fully enjoying the sex part.
A well spent 2 hours today.
WIR? Hell yes.
Pics for all gentlemen.
AL.How's the body? Baby damage or no baby damage? A+?
PerezPerez
02-19-16, 02:12
PerezP,
Like me she probably understood "auk pai" as get out, but what is "deuni loi"?
Maybe should be "diaow nee" for immediately. I guess that "deuni" is close to that. "loi" means float.
It should be ler-ee or loey. Finally worked it out. I admit Thai is very tough to write in English.
Even I always speak Thai to girls, i don't normally get any lectures so must have been bad luck. I have had some great and some average sessions at Yoremichi. Unfortunately the fabulous girl Bai Fern is long gone. I always chose a girl from line up not pictures. Except for Bai Fern. I saw her on the start of the soi and followed her to her workplace. She was too hot to ignore.
Stumble Inn is really for day time not late at night. There are plenty of freelancers out late but 3am is not the best time to get a great girl unless have time to get to know her a bit. I had one freelancer who was very nice from a portable bar, and OK attitude but just turned out to be a dud on the bed. Bad luck happens.Yes Syzygies you are correct I meant to say "Immediately" . I couldn't write the exact spelling in English for the Thai word. It came out of my mouth automatically as that time I really lost my temper. I agree that a same place might give you different experience depending on various factors, like the girl you choose, time of the day etc. So I have no complaints as I am aware of this, may be it was not the right day, right place and right girl or a combination of all.
I had once taken a girl 30+ age from beer garden on Soi 7/1, that was the first time I went there to checkout that place. Most were older age worn out but this one caught my eyes as she had a innocent looking (non-professional) type looks and she was smiling at me. I called her to sit with me and have a beer. Chatted with her, I was surprised how polite and decent she was, and felt like the girl next-door type. Came to know she worked in factory at nakhon-pathom and some weeks she comes here to make some extra cash, and not everyone she go with, she is a single mom of a 6 years old. Asked about myself, she said she would happily go with me as I am a gentle man LOL. I didn't ask for her charges, she went with me to my hotel, on the way I remember she helped me carry my shopping bags (I came there directly from Central word) and even served me drinks back at my hotel. She was more like a girlfriend or wife on the bed than a pro, it was a different kind of experience in a pleasant way. While leaving I handed her 1500 and she didn't say a word except Khop Khun ka.
Mamasan called me to help initiate a newbie fresh off the farm!
And who would I be to deny that opportunity?
So off to soi 24/1 at Candy Massage.
+1 from me. Looks sort of cute, and you reported was great fun. That is all I need.
Good to have pics that shows her looks is far above average for these PSE shops. Not even a fake nose that I can detect.
Hope her face has some colour rather than ghostly white in some photos. Just kidding.
AssLover945
02-19-16, 06:46
Here is another heads up for punters looking for a tight pussy. All of 19 years and yes fresh off the farm too.
Enjoy at Candy Massage, soi 24/1.
Finished a session with her just 30 minutes back.
AL.
Here is another heads up for punters looking for a tight pussy. All of 19 years and yes fresh off the farm too.
Enjoy at Candy Massage, soi 24/1.
Finished a session with her just 30 minutes back.
AL.Nice you admitted to knowing the mamasan rather well. Do you report on any places other than Candy, these days? Do you have any investment in this business?
I don't personally have a big problem with publicity for new girls. I don't automatically assume reports are dishonest, without a bad track record. I do recall you describing Guitar as "svelte" but the pic you attached seemed to show somewhat bigger than slim thighs, where I prefer slimmer. Maybe I don't understand svelte properly. Usually slender, slim, willowy.
I suppose someone has to do the very difficult job of checking out that all the new girls are up to scratch. LOL I even got requested to try a girl free of charge, myself in a western brothel many years ago, after complaints about the western girl. Turned out she was just great for me, so I gave a very honest report to the management. Pity this type of request did not come up regularly. Yes obviously I knew the mamasan very very well, although was not my girlfriend. was actually at this brothel that I first fucked a Thai girl, and the rest is history. Since then, I have no interest in girls from my home country, but many different types of foreigners do it for me, including latinos, black girls, East European, etc.
HotShaneHot
02-19-16, 08:01
Here is another heads up for punters looking for a tight pussy. All of 19 years and yes fresh off the farm too.
Enjoy at Candy Massage, soi 24/1.
Finished a session with her just 30 minutes back.
AL.No naked photos of the girls at Candy Massage?
Can you putt up a map of this place.
AssLover945
02-19-16, 16:38
Nice you admitted to knowing the mamasan rather well. Do you report on any places other than Candy, these days? Do you have any investment in this business?
I don't personally have a big problem with publicity for new girls. I don't automatically assume reports are dishonest, without a bad track record. I do recall you describing Guitar as "svelte" but the pic you attached seemed to show somewhat bigger than slim thighs, where I prefer slimmer. Maybe I don't understand svelte properly. Usually slender, slim, willowy.
I suppose someone has to do the very difficult job of checking out that all the new girls are up to scratch. LOL I even got requested to try a girl free of charge, myself in a western brothel many years ago, after complaints about the western girl. Turned out she was just great for me, so I gave a very honest report to the management. Pity this type of request did not come up regularly. Yes obviously I knew the mamasan very very well, although was not my girlfriend. was actually at this brothel that I first fucked a Thai girl, and the rest is history. Since then, I have no interest in girls from my home country, but many different types of foreigners do it for me, including latinos, black girls, East European, etc.Hahaha nice thinking, I absolutely have no business interest. I am happy with my job and career. Mongering I guess is everyone's hobby on this forum. I probably understand why made a personal judgement on me don't tell me that I have not reported girls from other massage places. But of late I have posted quite a lot for candy massage, let me explain the reasons. The mamasan at Candy allows me to take pics and with the permission of the girls allows me to put on internet. Other places would not even allow that. I thought I was doing my little bit of contribution. Pics do make the posts interesting I hope? But seriously If people feel that I should stop posting I will do so. Or maybe should I post only FRs?
As for calling Guitar, I think I had drunk a bit too much that day before the session. Happens, I apologize for the same, and moreover I am not a native english speaker. So pardon my slip there.
Hahaha nice thinking, I absolutely have no business interest. I am happy with my job and career. Mongering I guess is everyone's hobby on this forum. I probably understand why made a personal judgement on me don't tell me that I have not reported girls from other massage places. But of late I have posted quite a lot for candy massage, let me explain the reasons. The mamasan at Candy allows me to take pics and with the permission of the girls allows me to put on internet. Other places would not even allow that. I thought I was doing my little bit of contribution. Pics do make the posts interesting I hope? But seriously If people feel that I should stop posting I will do so. Or maybe should I post only FRs?
As for calling Guitar, I think I had drunk a bit too much that day before the session. Happens, I apologize for the same, and moreover I am not a native english speaker. So pardon my slip there.Please keep posting but try to have some more variety and not Candy reports only. Most of us don't have the luxury to be able to post girl pics with reports, especially as many girls would not be happy for their face to appear here. E. g. Mum and dad think Ging at CH is a waitress, supposedly. Not sure how she survives with being away from Bangkok such a lot. Parents ought to be suspicious. I posted her nude pic once but chopped the head off unfortunately. I have lots of pics of her off LINE but dare not post those with no permission.
HotShaneHot
02-20-16, 01:19
Hahaha nice thinking, I absolutely have no business interest. I am happy with my job and career. Mongering I guess is everyone's hobby on this forum. I probably understand why made a personal judgement on me don't tell me that I have not reported girls from other massage places. But of late I have posted quite a lot for candy massage, let me explain the reasons. The mamasan at Candy allows me to take pics and with the permission of the girls allows me to put on internet. Other places would not even allow that. I thought I was doing my little bit of contribution. Pics do make the posts interesting I hope? But seriously If people feel that I should stop posting I will do so. Or maybe should I post only FRs?
As for calling Guitar, I think I had drunk a bit too much that day before the session. Happens, I apologize for the same, and moreover I am not a native english speaker. So pardon my slip there.Mmm I was just looking at the internet site of Candy Massage it has the same photos as you post.
Do you Manage there internet site too.
Hahaha nice thinking, I absolutely have no business interest. I am happy with my job and career. Mongering I guess is everyone's hobby on this forum. I probably understand why made a personal judgement on me don't tell me that I have not reported girls from other massage places. But of late I have posted quite a lot for candy massage, let me explain the reasons. The mamasan at Candy allows me to take pics and with the permission of the girls allows me to put on internet. Other places would not even allow that. I thought I was doing my little bit of contribution. Pics do make the posts interesting I hope? But seriously If people feel that I should stop posting I will do so. Or maybe should I post only FRs?
As for calling Guitar, I think I had drunk a bit too much that day before the session. Happens, I apologize for the same, and moreover I am not a native english speaker. So pardon my slip there.Asslover945, For what its worth, I quite like reports with a few pictures of the girls and I quite enjoy your posts.
If I was going to take photos, I am sure they would nearly all be from Bongkot or SW as these are my 2 favorite oilies but I definitely do not have any business interest in them.
I take a big dose of YMMV with all reports I read whether they have pictures or not and whether people imply that the poster is biased or not. I learnt this lesson about 2 years ago when I had a fantastic session with Nancy at Tulip, recommended her to other BMs only for them to be very disappointed.
I take a big dose of YMMV with all reports I read whether they have pictures or not and whether people imply that the poster is biased or not. I learnt this lesson about 2 years ago when I had a fantastic session with Nancy at Tulip, recommended her to other BMs only for them to be very disappointed.A big +1 from me on that. I have gone to soapies and so-called PSE oilies to be with so-and-so that has been touted to the high heavens on this and other websites for her fantastic service level, attention to your every pleasurable whim, hassle-free historic GFE / PSE, blah blah blah and had some of the worst P4 P experiences of my rather long and varied mongering life. All it takes is for the sun to rise on a new day a fraction of a degree off from yesterday, the girl to get a less than loving Line message from a sponsor / boyfriend two minutes ago or some other staff member at the bar or MP to look at her cross-eyed during lunch and all bets are off about how she will behave with the next dude who walks in the door or buys her a Lady Drink, both good and bad.
After visiting a few different spots around the phom phrong BTS station. BKK 48: Only had a picture book. I like to see the girls in person. Pictures can be so misleading. Miss BJ on Soi 22: Looked promising, but only had 1 girl in stock and not my type. Snow White massage: Took a look at the ladies here mostly older 6's or 7's. There was one possible 8 but she looked like she had way too much makeup on.
Tired of walking around, I went to where I'd had success before: Addict massage. Walked in and there were already 3 other guys there looking at the lineup. Only about 10 or 12 girls there. The mamasan recommended honey to me: A medium complexion, 19 year old with brown colored hair. The mamasan kept on saying something about high school and pointing to her. I asked if she had a baby, negative. Nice, works for me. I said alright, I'll take her. We went to the desk and I chose the 1 and a half hour Thai message, but honey said I should choose the oil massage instead. It was the same price, so I said sure.
We went upstairs to our room, and I undressed. Honey left the room for 5 minutes to get her kit and do whatever it is they do when they go out. She came back with her kit and a glass of water. The last time I was here I had specifically asked for a glass of water. I didn't ask this, time. I guess its normal procedure. As we hop in the shower I notice her breasts. She's got be cup breasts, which are really firm. Not silicone, but naturally firm. They don't sag at all. Nice. I love these kinds of boobs. I don't encounter them often. What a treat. She washes me down. I never feel completely clean when the girl washes me. Theres always soap leftover somewhere or they don't scrub me hard enough. So I clean myself off and step out of the shower, leaving her to complete her shower. We've been chatting a bit here and there the whole time. She's 19 and from Bangkok. She has a Japanese boyfriend that doesn't know she works there. She has this cute little smile that she flashes whenever I stare at her for too long.
She starts to perform her oil massage, which isn't half bad, not great but it was pleasant. I'm watching her in the mirror at this point. I don't last too long before I turn myself over and face her. We start kissing. She's got the tongue flicking kind of kissing style. Lots of tongue, very little lips. I'm more of a lippy kind of guy. Anyways, I move down to those wonderful breasts and lay her down on the bed and work my lips all over the rest of her body. I lie down and motion for her to go down on me. She obliges. She gives me a decent BBBJ, but nothing to write home about. I need to get myself in this girl, so I tell her to get into doggie position and I put on a condom and enter from the rear. Great view. I've been really horny recently and this is just the fix I need. We move into missionary and then she starts the squealing. You know, the kind you see in Japanese porn. Haha. Not attractive in my book. Moaning is good, this is not. I try to ignore it as best I can. We move through a couple more positions and I eventually cum from behind her, but I think I might have been a little too big for her as she kept on trying to squirm away from just as I was about to cum.
We both clean up in the shower and she says massage now OK? She gives me an oil massage, which while pleasant could have been a little bit harder. I almost fell asleep during the massage. 10 Minutes before times up, she ends the massage, and we shower up again.
Very sweet girl over all. 2 good experiences out of 2 tries at Addict massage.
Final Scores:
Face: 8/10 Another cute one.
Body: 7/10 Young and firm but could use some more curves.
Performance: 5/10 I'm not into. Japanese porn style squealing. BBBJ was just OK.
Attitude: 9/10 Very nice girl. Says she's only been working here for 3 weeks.
WIR: probably not. I like variety and performance was not good enough to warrant a repeat.
Hi everyone,
Just back from Mango. I rang earlier and I was interested to meet Ice as I read somewhere that she is working there now, she is even on their website. Anyhow, no she is not working there anymore, the receptionist informed me and she recommended going and taking a look. I decided to to swing by as I live nearby. Took my some time to find it as its my first time there. The line was modest (some of them looked like post op dudes, or maybe it's my paranoia playing again). I asked for A+ providers, and been shown 3 ladies. Picked the one with the smile. Payment 1500 lady+400 HR+500 because I am foreigner. Grrrrr not too happy about that. On my way to the room I saw a naked guy in the room before the one we were going to. Not a great start. Anyhow, Lady name Brae, shower, to bed, no GFE, went straight to the business, BBBJ (it was good actually) then hat on, lubed dick too ass. Fake moans, locking legs behind you so you can't thrust. I tried moving around to change positions, she was not responding. Asked to move to pussy, seemed happier for awhile, then come baby come tone. Which didn't help as I already had a relief in the morning. Agreed to finish with BJ / HJ which took her sometime and she reminded me about time.
All in All 3/10 experience. WIR: No. What a rip off for 2500 I could have got a young thing 7/10 from Natree, Yes no anal but at least the looks and the relaxed atmosphere would make up for that.
On my way out of that Soi I saw Orient Massage, any info? I saw a couple of pretty ones but I didn't want to make a decision after a bad experience and out of my desire to redeem the day.
Cheers,
A. E.
Final Scores:
Face: 8/10 Another cute one.
Body: 7/10 Young and firm but could use some more curves.
Performance: 5/10 I'm not into. Japanese porn style squealing. BBBJ was just OK.
Attitude: 9/10 Very nice girl. Says she's only been working here for 3 weeks.
WIR: probably not. I like variety and performance was not good enough to warrant a repeat.I would be a bit wary about taking girls recommended by a mamasan unless you know and trust the mamasan very well.
Reasons for recommendation could be:
1. The girl hasn't had a booking for a while. It's her turn in the queue.
2. She needs the money to pay for her massage supplies.
3. She will give the mamasan a kickback to recommend her.
Etc.
4. She has a good body.
5. who knows why? But the mamasan has not fucked her and should not be having favourites really.
Some shops maintain a pecking order of most popular girls, but the reason for popularity could be the look, the big tits, or the performance, who knows? How many of her bookings are repeat customers?
I prefer to make my own choice and sometimes be influenced by apparently independent advise if the girl is as good as anyone else.
In my case, at Addict I chose myself on 2 occasions. For one I was satisfied, but probably no repeat just like you (no fireworks LOL). The 2nd one turned out to really enjoyable and worth a repeat. So its still a roll of the dice somewhat.
Have met a papasan that recommended a complete dud at a soapy in the distant past. Taught me the lesson. I am sure he recommended just his stable of girls that pay him kickback. This would be a big danger at a place like Nataree, for example.
At my favorite bar, sometimes my favorite staff will recommend to me certain girls, for unknown reason, perhaps good intentions, however I take little notice unless I just happened to want the same girl anyway. They can't always understand my taste. I am more likely to take note of negative advice if my waitress tells me a certain dancing girl is no good, and don't waste my money.
Anyway when I make mistakes, I want it to be my own fault, and not have someone else making the mistake for me.
Great for you to give detail about what things you liked about the girl. It does help. We don't all have the same priority of criteria. So nice report. Squealing would be a no no for me. I like girls to act rather natural with no bullshit detectable.
Right decision not to repeat. Better girls do exist there. Try other ones till you get really keen on one or more.
Member #4591
02-20-16, 19:09
Hi everyone,
Just back from Mango. I rang earlier and I was interested to meet Ice as I read somewhere that she is working there now, she is even on their website. Anyhow, no she is not working there anymore, the receptionist informed me and she recommended going and taking a look. I decided to to swing by as I live nearby. Took my some time to find it as its my first time there. The line was modest (some of them looked like post op dudes, or maybe it's my paranoia playing again). I asked for A+ providers, and been shown 3 ladies. Picked the one with the smile. Payment 1500 lady+400 HR+500 because I am foreigner. Grrrrr not too happy about that. On my way to the room I saw a naked guy in the room before the one we were going to. Not a great start. Anyhow, Lady name Brae, shower, to bed, no GFE, went straight to the business, BBBJ (it was good actually) then hat on, lubed dick too ass. Fake moans, locking legs behind you so you can't thrust. I tried moving around to change positions, she was not responding. Asked to move to pussy, seemed happier for awhile, then come baby come tone. Which didn't help as I already had a relief in the morning. Agreed to finish with BJ / HJ which took her sometime and she reminded me about time.
All in All 3/10 experience. WIR: No. What a rip off for 2500 I could have got a young thing 7/10 from Natree, Yes no anal but at least the looks and the relaxed atmosphere would make up for that.
On my way out of that Soi I saw Orient Massage, any info? I saw a couple of pretty ones but I didn't want to make a decision after a bad experience and out of my desire to redeem the day.
Cheers,
A. E.I hate to break it to you but you got scammed. There is no foreigner surcharge at Mango. In fact the majority of the customers are foreigners so I would be wondering about who wouldn't pay the foreigner sur charge. In fact I don't think Thai customers are even permitted or would even want to go to Mango. I have been there many times so I kind of doubt the accuracy of this report.
I would be a bit wary about taking girls recommended by a mamasan unless you know and trust the mamasan very well.
Addict must have about 100 girls on their books. The mamasan can't be expected to know the qualities of each one. She couldn't even tell me who does and doesn't have a baby so how is she going to give advice on more intricate details like service standards? It reminds me of shopping in a department store where the assistant will just randomly pull stuff out and present it to you.
I hate to break it to you but you got scammed. There is no foreigner surcharge at Mango. In fact the majority of the customers are foreigners so I would be wondering about who wouldn't pay the foreigner sur charge. In fact I don't think Thai customers are even permitted or would even want to go to Mango. I have been there many times so I kind of doubt the accuracy of this report.Would it be A+ service surcharge then? I paid 2400 for the hour, which I found too expensive. Not going to go there again.
AssLover945
02-21-16, 03:40
Mmm I was just looking at the internet site of Candy Massage it has the same photos as you post.
Do you Manage there internet site too.I take the pics with the phone of mamasan herself. (I don't want any pics on my phone as I have a suspicious GF). Mamasan chooses the ones she likes, and sends to me (which I delete from my chats immediately after posting in this forum) what she does with the pics is absolutely her business. You must have noticed, I usually post them in this forum, much before she posts on her website. Another male friend of hers manages that website. I would be too hassled to do all that and I am frankly a noob at doing all those stuff.
Hope you enjoyed my posts. What else would you like to know.
I take the pics with the phone of mamasan herself. (I don't want any pics on my phone as I have a suspicious GF). Mamasan chooses the ones she likes, and sends to me (which I delete from my chats immediately after posting in this forum) what she does with the pics is absolutely her business. You must have noticed, I usually post them in this forum, much before she posts on her website. Another male friend of hers manages that website. I would be too hassled to do all that and I am frankly a noob at doing all those stuff.
Hope you enjoyed my posts. What else would you like to know.I suppose I could figure this out by going to the website and scrutinizing the pictures (I have glanced at them) but are they photoshopped or posted as taken without processing?
In preparation of this year's BKK and SEA trip, probably my last one (I am getting too old for this game) I did some research on DIA and Craiglist via email and Line, resulting in 6 surprisingly positive and very promising contacts. All ready, willing, able and on call to meet on short notice.
I have been in BKK for over 4 weeks now, but so far have not had time, opportunity but above all no wish to activate any of these new contacts.
Been busy every night, so that I am longing for a good nights uninterrupted sleep, without that BBJbBF (BBJ before Breakfast) and without having been delightfully wakened and ravished in the night by the GFE / LBFM beside me, not one of the new ones, but all from my previous years' tried and proven 'stock'.
As I have written before, I am not a bar or GoGo goer, but prefer to mine the resources hiding in the (semi-) legit MPs.
Just walk Soi 22,23, 33 or elsewhere, pick an MP-lady you fancy, talk to her a little to see if she can communicate in English and book a foot massage. If you click, upgrade to an oil massage (in a private room where you are naked to break the ice) and you will find she is about 28-35, has a kid, has been separated from her husband / BF for 3-10 years and hasn't had sex for almost as long.
You can try-before-you-buy in the MP, though the really legit shops, while allowing HJs, don't officially condone BJ or -god forbid- anything MORE. Anything more will have to take place at your hotel, which is more comfortable anyway.
In this simple way, I have discovered several really delightful ladies, who, having been deprived of a man's TLC, basic curtesy and attention for years, are ready and eager to repay hundred fold, just for being nice to them.
These women are NOT the oily / soapy / Soi Cowboy gold-digging prostitutes! They are mothers, mostly from Isaan, struggling to make a living while supporting their families, pent-up in their dreary MP shops 6 days a week fom 10 am until midnight. Treat them like human beings and they will eat out of you hand. They have lots of love to give in return.
I shall describe 3 of these typical gold nuggets,(though #2 clearly does not fit into that category). Don't expect any voyeuristic details, that is just not my style.
For the sake of readability, I'll split the report into 2 parts.
If you don't like what and how I write, just ignore it.
Lady #1.
Not a model type, close to the expiration date, fantastic DF-kisser, demands sex whenever time and surroundings permit.
Used to work at a then-legit shop, but stopped when the shop policy changed to include HJ and more, is now back in Isaan.
When I wrote her I was coming to BKK, she bought an airfare from her savings to surprise me! Luckily, I was able to accommodate her and didn't regret it.
She is totally unassuming but eager to try anything new, including some of my fetishes and perversities.
One night after dinner she wanted to see Soi Cowboy. We started at Crazy House, packed as usual, but left after one drink. She found the place boring. There is a music bar at the Asoke end of SC (I wrote about it recently), with a good live band and a great atmosphere, where we danced until I just about dropped dead. No bumbum that night, but what a BBJbBF and much more in the morning!
She stayed with me for 3 nights. I paid her ticket, we went 'shopping' but she would not take any money, not even as a 'gift'.
In the end, she wore me out sexually, I badly needed a rest, and a change of venue, so had to plead 'prior other commitments'.
Contact details: NA, since she is out of the business.
WIR? Yes, sure, next year maybe.
Lady #2.
Very much a model type with nice D's, so clearly no Twiggy.
We have known each other for 4 years, have become really good friends and fuck buddies. Why she would choose me, a man who could easily be her grandfather, I have no idea.
Her passions used to be 1. Sex, and 2. Good food. Now her preferences have changed: 1. Good food, then 2. Sex. She could lose 10 kg, but her ass is one to drool over, apart from other exciting uses.
She has a full university degree but does not practice her profession. Speaks fully conversational English and is a shrewd businesswoman with a vision.
In need of money to support her kid and family, she started wh*r*ng in a Tulip-type PSE shop, where we originally met.
At the same time she swore to herself and later to me, that by the time she turned 30, she would stop selling her body.
She has just turned 30 and now manages and actually OWNS one of the premier Tulip-type oilies.
In the beginning, she worked there just like her other ladies, but had to stop, because quote: "the customers always wanted only me and not my ladies".
She still has old customers / friends who must like her as much as I do. She knows about my other ladies and we have laughs exchanging experiences (strictly discreet, no details).
We just spent 3 days at the seaside, great fun.
I will not give any more details because she is well known and I am sure some of you will have guessed her identity already.
WIR? Yes, definitely.
These women are NOT the oily / soapy / Soi Cowboy gold-digging prostitutes! I thought it was going to be a really nice report and it was. Pity you had to spoil it a bit with snide comment about P4 Ps in general. I think you should have meant that the regular hookers were not looking for a nice guy so desperately. "Gold-digging" is a bit rich, unless its a comment on what funds you have to spend. I detect only a small percentage of the regular hookers are actually making big money and the other 90% are struggling, with not enough customers, or don't work often enough, many reasons.
Was #2 originally a gold-digger?
Perhaps all you really mean is that you can have fun with girls that do not require you financial support any longer.
Crocodilexp
02-21-16, 08:36
For what it's worth, AssLover945 has been around for a while, and I'm 100% certain he has no business interests in the oilies. It's a bit annoying when such criticism comes from a person who needs to ask for a map to find Sukhumwit Soi 24/1 (and posts a lot of nude pics, but no specifics on how to find girls in them).
In any case, new info, especially with photos, is much appreciated. One question: do Candy girls Ammy (and the one before, what's her name) do A+? If yes, they're definitely on my list to try.
At Candy, I only tried Guitar so far, and she provided great service (A+ included).
...These women are NOT the oily / soapy / Soi Cowboy gold-digging prostitutes!...Sorry, my friend but I call BS. It appears to me that these women are prostitutes as well, since you are most likely giving them money in exchange of their presence in your hotel room, not much different from the other girls. And not all the oily / soapy / GoGo girls are gold-digging prostitutes. You find those back home in the US.
Christian G
02-21-16, 08:56
Would it be A+ service surcharge then? No A+ surcharge at Mango nor in other PSE Oils. Price for 1 HR is 1. 500 + 400, this price included A+ service if the girl provide it.
No A+ surcharge at Mango nor in other PSE Oils. Price for 1 HR is 1. 500 + 400, this price included A+ service if the girl provide it.That is the rule, but unless they have changed it Bamboo charges an extra 500 baht for A+, which has lost them some business (including mine given none of the other PSE shops do this). Also, at most oilies (to complete the price scheme) 90 minutes is 600 baht plus 1,500 and two hours is 800 baht plus 1,500. Some of us may do some minor tipping on top of this with good service, maybe 300 baht or 500 at the most, but it is not necessary. However, if I do two hours and cum twice I usually figure the girl has earned something above the standard 1,500 baht "girl's fee" which does not vary from the one-hour to the two-hour session.
Sorry, my friend but I call BS. It appears to me that these women are prostitutes as well, since you are most likely giving them money in exchange of their presence in your hotel room, not much different from the other girls. And not all the oily / soapy / GoGo girls are gold-digging prostitutes. You find those back home in the US.Indeed, my experience over the course of the last thirteen or more years at the PSE oilies suggests the girls who work there are the opposite of gold-digging. I never have had any want anything from me other than their standard fee. In fact, if I tip on top of the standard fee it is not because they have asked; they don't, at least not in my experience.
And my experiences with these girls include many sessions on-site as well as quite a few in my hotel.
Christian G
02-21-16, 09:12
That is the rule, but unless they have changed it Bamboo charges an extra 500 baht. I know about A+ surcharge in Bamboo (it is also clearly written on their website) and I never been there. Anyway I never heard that Mango, Cherry, Snow Wite, Tulip, ecc. Have A+ surcharge.
Maybe they change the rule at Mango, I don't know everything is possible, if yes I'll avoid Mango.
I know about A+ surcharge in Bamboo (it is also clearly written on their website) and I never been there. Anyway I never heard that Mango, Cherry, Snow Wite, Tulip, ecc. Have A+ surcharge.
Maybe they change the rule at Mango, I don't know everything is possible, if yes I'll avoid Mango.No, my post simply was responding to that portion of yours that stated there was no surcharge for A+ at the PSE oilies. Given Bamboo is a PSE oily, I only mentioned that it, i.e., Bamboo, does have such a surcharge unless they recently removed it. I am unaware of any of the other places you mention, including Mango, having an A+ surcharge.
Member #4591
02-21-16, 09:59
Would it be A+ service surcharge then? I paid 2400 for the hour, which I found too expensive. Not going to go there again.There is no A + service charge at Mango. Many ladies have offered A+ to me with no talk of service charge. Just as I thought! Look, it's ok to write a bad review but no need to lie about some surcharge that does not exist.
I hate to break it to you but you got scammed. There is no foreigner surcharge at Mango. In fact the majority of the customers are foreigners so I would be wondering about who wouldn't pay the foreigner sur charge. In fact I don't think Thai customers are even permitted or would even want to go to Mango. I have been there many times so I kind of doubt the accuracy of this report.On one occasion when I visited Tulip there was a Thai man at the counter asking if he could look at the girls. The woman behind the counter told him there were no girls there then. As I was considering whether to leave, the Thai man left and the woman behind the counter told me of course there were girls there, but they didn't take Thai customers (actually she also added some choice words about her opinion of Thai men).
I have always assumed most, if not all, the PSE oilies follow the same rule, for whatever reason (I can think of a few). In any event, I have never seen a Thai customer in any of them (other than the one at Tulip who was rejected).
So the notion of a foreigner surcharge would make no sense at these places.
It was not my intention to start either a shit storm nor an ethical discussion about the different types of prostitutes.
In my book, a prostitute is a person (female or male) who provides sexual services for money.
According that definition, women (and men) at all soapies / oilies / GoGos / bars and similar venues qualify as prostitutes.
My use of the attribute "Gold-digging" may have been ambiguous. I keep reading here, that more and more women are interested only in the money and could not care less about the customer, I. E. 'no heart' That is what I meant.
Women at legit MPs are a different story (see my #1 and #3).
A foot massage cost 250 or 300 Baht and out of that she gets 100 Baht plus any tip her stingy customers may give or may not give. At 4 customers / day (MAX!) and 6 days / week she makes 11,000 Baht (USD 300) a month plus TIPS.
As I wrote, many strictly-legit MPs don't allow anything over and above a HJ on the premisses, so the chances to earn extra tips at the shop are slim.
But as the say 'Don't mistake morality for lack of opportunity'. These women are no chaste nuns and will occasionally have sex (for money) with a customer if they like him and / or need the money badly. They are a kind of 'hobby-wh**es'.
Now Syzygies raised an interesting question, whether #2 was originally a Gold-digger.
Yes, #2 was a prostitute, selling her body, but from the beginning only to earn the money for her kid, family and to save enough to start her own business. She even went back temporarily (after having stopped) because her savings were insufficient to buy into the MP she wanted.
But was she a gold-digger? Definitely NO. She loves sex and is VERY good at it. She puts all her heart into whatever she does (and there was very little she did not do!) Those who, after a session with her, have staggered out of her shop, barely capable of walking, will know what I mean!
She told me, she even liked some of you bastards!
Lady #3.
A real beauty (for me), early 30 ies, 155 cm, under 50 kg, physically top fit, perfect hourglass figure and the most beautiful Cs I have ever seen in my long life.
One day I went to my usual MP for a massage from an ex-GF of 3 yrs back, working there. I do that regularly and although this shop is strictly legit, the massage always spirals into other pleasant activities. Careful not to warm up an old affair too much, there are no more hotel sessions with this ex-GF, just some serious fooling around. She seems to accept the situation.
Only this time, I had forgotten that it was my ex-GF's day off. But because I really needed a good therapeutic massage, I accepted the substitute offered, without paying too much attention to the lady at first. But that soon changed. To start with, she insisted I strip completely after I had kept my shorts on, so as not to embarrass her. Her massage technique was absolutely perfect and varied and although without a single 'straying' touch, so unbelievably erotic, that I almost came there and then, still lying naked on my belly and she fully clothed.
Her English is fully conversational and after the usual small talk, we had a really good, meaningful conversation. We were talking among others about the different styles of massage in other parts of the world when I mentioned, that I enjoyed giving massage too. After a noticable silence and out of the blue, she asked: "Would you like to massage me?" Still on my belly, I somehow nodded to which she declared: "OK, but not here, better at your hotel, when I finish work". That having been settled, the massage ended without any further intimacies.
She came after 23:00 and we just skipped all the preliminaries and forgot about the massage. Within minutes we were sharing DFKs, making out passionately and then screwing until 4 am, when I had to give up from sheer exhaustion.
She later told me, she had not had a man for years and then only Thai / Asian men, who tend not to respect or pleasure women too much. Her only previous orgasms were "self-inflicted". Being with an older and very gentle guy, who actually cares about women and their feelings, she must have been pleasantly surprised at what long and gentle lovemaking can be like. Simple pussy-licking and firecracker orgasms were new to her and she showed her immense appreciation in every way imaginable.
Her BJ is by far the best that I have ever had, ever! When I complimented her on the excellent teacher she must have had, she replied with genuine indignation: "Oh no, no teacher, I watch porn movies and learn from there" And believe me, Heather Brooke DT movies were not the only ones she had watched carefully! Later we watched other porn together to which she supplied expert commentaries and demonstrated many of the skills she had learned.
This girl is a f***ing miracle (pun intended), sexually somewhat naive, while unexperienced, but at the same time totally uninhibited. Nothing like any other woman I've met before. Somehow we clik totally and like the same things and not only sexually.
I admit she totally fascinates me and were I not an old cynic, I would fall hopelessly in love with her. She is highly intelligent and perceptive, very well informed but still curious to learn new (non-Thai) things. Her political / social views are close to (the good elements of) of the "green" philosophy in Europe. (Sustainability, ecology, the fundamentally skewed distribution of wealth, etc.).
I like to go "shopping" with my favorites. Some behave like a kid in a candy store and their buying orgies can easily get out of hand. Not so #3! She says she has enough dresses / t-shirts / shoes / bags / you-name-it and does not need any more.
I wanted to buy her some sexy underwear, unpadded bras made of sheer lace, which I find a turn-on to see, touch and take off her. No dice! At home she apparently walks around without underwear and at work she would rather wear a 'stainless steel harness', (her words) to keep her customers' roving hands under control.
When asked what she would LIKE, after some thought she mentioned cherries and cheesecake and then went to the book store and bought the 3 volumes of E. L. James' "50 Shades of Grey"! An MP girl who actually READS!
Next week we are visiting Angkor what and Phnom Penh and see how it goes. To be continued.
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Back from a week in Cambodia. I'll make it short, it was just fantastic in every respect!
Because I insisted, she allowed me to compensate her for lost earnings, but would not take any money for being with me.
I know, there must be a catch somewhere, because it is far too good to be true, but for the time being, she makes me very happy and seems to enjoy it.
Life Is Good.
Sorry, no details, she is too good to share!
My use of the attribute "Gold-digging" may have been ambiguous. I keep reading here, that more and more women are interested only in the money and could not care less about the customer, I. E. 'no heart' That is what I meant.
I don't think you understand the common meaning of "gold digger. " The first definition that popped up from a google search, which corresponds to my own understanding of the term, is "a person who dates others purely to extract money from them, in particular a woman who strives to marry a wealthy man." Although some might not restrict the definition to a woman who strives to marry into wealth, the general idea is a woman who will show a romantic interest in a wealthy man for the purpose of extracting his money. A prostitute who accepts fees for services rendered, does not by that fact alone become a gold digger. But a prostitute who seeks rich sponsors, often while pretending to be in love with them, would fit the category.
My use of the attribute "Gold-digging" may have been ambiguous. I keep reading here, that more and more women are interested only in the money and could not care less about the customer, I. E. 'no heart' That is what I meant.
The first time you fuck a P4 P girl, you don't know each other, so you cannot expect a great deal of heart. That goes without saying. Over time, sometimes "heart" develops, to point where girl and customer actually enjoy each other, as you have testified with ex Tulip girl.
A girl can feel a closeness with multiple guys, and a guy with multiple girls. That leads to problems when society says she should choose just one to be faithful to, or be considered a bad girl. I have lost such girls in the past. Would be nice if having multiples was the socially accepted norm.
Addict must have about 100 girls on their books. The mamasan can't be expected to know the qualities of each one. She couldn't even tell me who does and doesn't have a baby so how is she going to give advice on more intricate details like service standards? It reminds me of shopping in a department store where the assistant will just randomly pull stuff out and present it to you.Actually the mamasan should know all of the above. If she is doing her job correctly that is. Who has a baby? Who provides what services? Who like Farangs? Who only likes Asian dudes? It's her job to know. Sadly, few do their job.
Crocodilexp
02-21-16, 20:49
Actually the mamasan should know all of the above. If she is doing her job correctly that is. Who has a baby? Who provides what services? Who like Farangs? Who only likes Asian dudes? It's her job to know. Sadly, few do their job.Their job is to keep the girls in line (minimize churn and conflicts) and to maximize revenue (technically for the venue owner, but in practice for herself).
I find the notion that mamasan / papasan would make an honest recommendation almost laughable. They have way more incentive, both financial and social, to consider what the girls need (give the job to an underutilized one or one she's chummy with), rather than take the side of the customer who just walked in and will possibly never go there again. Even with a repeat customer, mamasan's relationship with employees is clearly first priority. Mamasans / papasans are NOT on our side, so I prefer to minimize interactions with them.
Lady #3.
A real beauty (for me), early 30 ies, 155 cm, under 50 kg, physically top fit, perfect hourglass figure and the most beautiful Cs I have ever seen in my long life.
One day I went to my usual MP for a massage from an ex-GF of 3 yrs back, working there. I do that regularly and although this shop is strictly legit, the massage always spirals into other pleasant activities. Careful not to warm up an old affair too much, there are no more hotel sessions with this ex-GF, just some serious fooling around. She seems to accept the situation.
Only this time, I had forgotten that it was my ex-GF's day off. But because I really needed a good therapeutic massage, I accepted the substitute offered, without paying too much attention to the lady at first. But that soon changed. To start with, she insisted I strip completely after I had kept my shorts on, so as not to embarrass her. Her massage technique was absolutely perfect and varied and although without a single 'straying' touch, so unbelievably erotic, that I almost came there and then, still lying naked on my belly and she fully clothed.
Her English is fully conversational and after the usual small talk, we had a really good, meaningful conversation. We were talking among others about the different styles of massage in other parts of the world when I mentioned, that I enjoyed giving massage too. After a noticable silence and out of the blue, she asked: "Would you like to massage me?" Still on my belly, I somehow nodded to which she declared: "OK, but not here, better at your hotel, when I finish work". That having been settled, the massage ended without any further intimacies.
She came after 23:00 and we just skipped all the preliminaries and forgot about the massage. Within minutes we were sharing DFKs, making out passionately and then screwing until 4 am, when I had to give up from sheer exhaustion.
She later told me, she had not had a man for years and then only Thai / Asian men, who tend not to respect or pleasure women too much. Her only previous orgasms were "self-inflicted". Being with an older and very gentle guy, who actually cares about women and their feelings, she must have been pleasantly surprised at what long and gentle lovemaking can be like. Simple pussy-licking and firecracker orgasms were new to her and she showed her immense appreciation in every way imaginable.
Her BJ is by far the best that I have ever had, ever! When I complimented her on the excellent teacher she must have had, she replied with genuine indignation: "Oh no, no teacher, I watch porn movies and learn from there" And believe me, Heather Brooke DT movies were not the only ones she had watched carefully! Later we watched other porn together to which she supplied expert commentaries and demonstrated many of the skills she had learned.
This girl is a f***ing miracle (pun intended), sexually somewhat naive, while unexperienced, but at the same time totally uninhibited. Nothing like any other woman I've met before. Somehow we clik totally and like the same things and not only sexually.
I admit she totally fascinates me and were I not an old cynic, I would fall hopelessly in love with her. She is highly intelligent and perceptive, very well informed but still curious to learn new (non-Thai) things. Her political / social views are close to (the good elements of) of the "green" philosophy in Europe. (Sustainability, ecology, the fundamentally skewed distribution of wealth, etc.).
I like to go "shopping" with my favorites. Some behave like a kid in a candy store and their buying orgies can easily get out of hand. Not so #3! She says she has enough dresses / t-shirts / shoes / bags / you-name-it and does not need any more.
I wanted to buy her some sexy underwear, unpadded bras made of sheer lace, which I find a turn-on to see, touch and take off her. No dice! At home she apparently walks around without underwear and at work she would rather wear a 'stainless steel harness', (her words) to keep her customers' roving hands under control.
When asked what she would LIKE, after some thought she mentioned cherries and cheesecake and then went to the book store and bought the 3 volumes of E. L. James' "50 Shades of Grey"! An MP girl who actually READS!
Next week we are visiting Angkor what and Phnom Penh and see how it goes. To be continued.
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Back from a week in Cambodia. I'll make it short, it was just fantastic in every respect!
Because I insisted, she allowed me to compensate her for lost earnings, but would not take any money for being with me.
I know, there must be a catch somewhere, because it is far too good to be true, but for the time being, she makes me very happy and seems to enjoy it.
Life Is Good.
Sorry, no details, she is too good to share!Without disclosing your personal favorite, what legitimate massage shops would you recommend?
Their job is to keep the girls in line (minimize churn and conflicts) and to maximize revenue (technically for the venue owner, but in practice for herself).
I find the notion that mamasan / papasan would make an honest recommendation almost laughable. They have way more incentive, both financial and social, to consider what the girls need (give the job to an underutilized one or one she's chummy with), rather than take the side of the customer who just walked in and will possibly never go there again. Even with a repeat customer, mamasan's relationship with employees is clearly first priority. Mamasans / papasans are NOT on our side, so I prefer to minimize interactions with them.There are good mamasans / papasans and very bad ones. In a bar, the purpose of the mamasan is not really to recommend girls. She would not know details of girls performance. She would know whether girl has a baby most likely. In a bar, I can typically see that myself already as girl is not overly dressed. Some Oilies do not have mamasans as such. I would call them more so receptionists. The receptionist may know some things about the girls. Some Japanese oriented Oilies have a Japanese papasan. Not very useful. I assume he generally knows stuff all since he can't even speak Thai or I wouldn't be asking him anyway.
The real mamasans / papasans are better known as chearpersons at Soapy MPs. They used to make their living by assisting customers to choose a girl, and still do, by receiving tips. Unfortunately they also made money by lining up a set of girls who agree to give the chearperson a kickback each time the chearperson helps the customer to choose one of those girls. This would bias the chearpersons recommendation to girls in his / her stable. So false recommendations were common. The chearperson could be a liar and so was untrustworthy. However some chearpersons preferred to make their money honestly from customer tips, and tell the truth about the girls as best they knew it. When I went to a soapy, if a chearperson recommended me a good girl, I would them a good tip afterwards, not before I found out how good the girl was. Maybe a minimal beforehand. Once you are a regular at a venue and have established a great relationship with one particular chearperson, the chearperson will know exactly what you are looking for and make some recommendations to consider. You can also ask that chearperson about specific girls that look nice, and you expect a pretty honest answer about whether they think their could be a compatibility and what the girl's body is like. You can't always see the body properly. Over many years, I had really only had such a relationship, with two or three chearperons at different venues. Anne at Chao Praya 2 was pretty good for me. I have also known Oscar at La Belle for many years (in different soapies). Unfortunately his taste in girls is quite different to mine so that makes it more difficult for him to recommend. Most girls he recommends are not my spec at all.
The advantage in a soapy with fishbowl, is that girls cannot hear what questions you are asking about them.
Chearpersons range from the helpful, to the dishonest, to the extremely annoying.
There are good mamasans / papasans and very bad ones. In a bar, the purpose of the mamasan is not really to recommend girls. She would not know details of girls performance. She would know whether girl has a baby most likely. In a bar, I can typically see that myself already as girl is not overly dressed. Some Oilies do not have mamasans as such. I would call them more so receptionists. The receptionist may know some things about the girls. Some Japanese oriented Oilies have a Japanese papasan. Not very useful. I assume he generally knows stuff all since he can't even speak Thai or I wouldn't be asking him anyway.
The real mamasans / papasans are better known as chearpersons at Soapy MPs. They used to make their living by assisting customers to choose a girl, and still do, by receiving tips. Unfortunately they also made money by lining up a set of girls who agree to give the chearperson a kickback each time the chearperson helps the customer to choose one of those girls. This would bias the chearpersons recommendation to girls in his / her stable. So false recommendations were common. The chearperson could be a liar and so was untrustworthy. However some chearpersons preferred to make their money honestly from customer tips, and tell the truth about the girls as best they knew it. When I went to a soapy, if a chearperson recommended me a good girl, I would them a good tip afterwards, not before I found out how good the girl was. Maybe a minimal beforehand. Once you are a regular at a venue and have established a great relationship with one particular chearperson, the chearperson will know exactly what you are looking for and make some recommendations to consider. You can also ask that chearperson about specific girls that look nice, and you expect a pretty honest answer about whether they think their could be a compatibility and what the girl's body is like. You can't always see the body properly. Over many years, I had really only had such a relationship, with two or three chearperons at different venues. Anne at Chao Praya 2 was pretty good for me. I have also known Oscar at La Belle for many years (in different soapies). Unfortunately his taste in girls is quite different to mine so that makes it more difficult for him to recommend. Most girls he recommends are not my spec at all.
The advantage in a soapy with fishbowl, is that girls cannot hear what questions you are asking about them.
Chearpersons range from the helpful, to the dishonest, to the extremely annoying.Yep, good analysis. PSE shops tend to be a bit better as far as the mamasan or owner knowing what the gals will and will not do. I do miss the early days of Tulip. "All girls do everything" and that was all you need to know because Saeng saw to it they did and were good at it.
Without disclosing your personal favorite, what legitimate massage shops would you recommend?I am sorry to disappoint you, but it just does not work that way. Your chances in a 'recommended' MP are no better or no worse than in any other shop.
It is not like, say, Tulip, where you walk in and are guaranteed a certain menu and / or level of performance (in terms of sexual services) by the reputation of Tulip. These (semi) legit MPs offer foot, thai and oil massages and you will get a HJ if you are not too repulsive to the lady. I know (from independent sources) that my #3 frequently refuses to give HJs.
I understand what you are after, but EVERYTHING depends only on your ability to build a relationship with the girl. You must like her and she must get to like you enough to want to have sex with you. Yes, money is involved, but much less important, than at the 'sex mostly' MPs.
These girls can be found anywhere and nowhere. The only advantage of the legit shops is that the concentration of ladies (though usually 30+), hungry for TLC is higher there, than in other places where you meet girls. I. e. Fishing in a barrel.
I wrote before: 'Just walk Soi 22,23, 33 or elsewhere, pick an MP-lady you fancy, talk to her a little to see if she can communicate in English and book a foot massage. If you click, upgrade to an oil massage (in a private room where you are naked to break the ice) and you will find she is about 28-35, has a kid, has been separated from her husband / BF for 3-10 years and hasn't had sex for almost as long. '.
From there on it is up to you to seduce her, it often takes more than one visit but then some of these ladies want to be seduced.
So, once more, to avoid false expectations on your part, no recommendation.
Wolvenvacht
02-22-16, 08:41
Without disclosing your personal favorite, what legitimate massage shops would you recommend?
If you really want to bave a Thai massage, expertly done with not even a hint of a happy ending, just go to the Wat Pho temple (next to the Royal Palace and the Emerald Buddha Temple). Wat Pho is the place where Thai massage was actually invented and it is still the major school for this massage.
If you really want to bave a Thai massage, expertly done with not even a hint of a happy ending, just go to the Wat Pho temple (next to the Royal Palace and the Emerald Buddha Temple). Wat Pho is the place where Thai massage was actually invented and it is still the major school for this massage.Except that I got some pretty shitty massages there since they are mostly apprentices but charge full price. Not recommended by this forum lurker.
Recap.
No Soapies other than Annies as my regulars at other venues have disappeared or deteriorated. Did not even visit Ansterdam, Nataree or La Belle.Did you not go to those soapies because they have declined in girl-quality? I know you said the regulators weren't up to spec anymore, but did you find it not worth doing any talent scouting, due to a drop in quality?
I stay in ratcahda for the past year, and have stopped going to all of the soapies here. And despite how close they are to me. I used to go to them a lot when I was staying further away while I lived in Bangkok, 2 years ago. I was quite pleased with the quality 2 years ago and was always glad to have made the trip, to places like Ceasars and such. However now, I live here, and just can't stand walking into these places. The quality of the girls seems so nonexistent. There used to be models, but now its only average and below average it seems. Nataree seems to be the only last bastion for looks, but they also have off days where its only average. And they certainly aren't great for quality in my opinion / experience.
That's interesting. I had no idea I was supposed to tip the papasan at a soapy. Is this normal? No papasan has ever asked me for a tip, and I go regularly to soapies like Amsterdam, Colonze, Nataree, etc. How much money am I supposed to tip a papasan? I certainly don't want them to think I'm cheap, as I want to build a rapport.
There are good mamasans / papasans and very bad ones. The real mamasans / papasans are better known as chearpersons at Soapy MPs. They used to make their living by assisting customers to choose a girl, and still do, by receiving tips.
Chearpersons range from the helpful, to the dishonest, to the extremely annoying.
..However now, I live here, and just can't stand walking into these places. The quality of the girls seems so nonexistent. There used to be models, but now its only average and below average it seems. Nataree seems to be the only last bastion for looks, but they also have off days where its only average. And they certainly aren't great for quality in my opinion / experience...Do you mind sharing your opinion with us on where you are finding quality these days, since you live there? Thanks I agree with you about the MPs. I was at The Lord last December and was disappointed. For the prices they charged, I expected better eye candy.
AssLover945
02-22-16, 18:54
For what it's worth, AssLover945 has been around for a while, and I'm 100% certain he has no business interests in the oilies. It's a bit annoying when such criticism comes from a person who needs to ask for a map to find Sukhumwit Soi 24/1 (and posts a lot of nude pics, but no specifics on how to find girls in them).
In any case, new info, especially with photos, is much appreciated. One question: do Candy girls Ammy (and the one before, what's her name) do A+? If yes, they're definitely on my list to try.
At Candy, I only tried Guitar so far, and she provided great service (A+ included).Hi While I have tried both girls, I have not asked if A+ is available. Both of them are very new to the trade and I doubt if they do A+. I guess the right person to ask would be the mamasan herself.
And Thanks for clarifying here about my no desire to have a business interest, like others here I am indulging in pure fun out of my own expenses.
That's interesting. I had no idea I was supposed to tip the papasan at a soapy. Is this normal? No papasan has ever asked me for a tip, and I go regularly to soapies like Amsterdam, Colonze, Nataree, etc. How much money am I supposed to tip a papasan? I certainly don't want them to think I'm cheap, as I want to build a rapport.I've never seen anyone tip at a soapie. The papasans receive a good salary so no need to worry about them. They seem to remember me and the way I like to do things anyway.
Wolvenvacht
02-22-16, 19:59
Except that I got some pretty shitty massages there since they are mostly apprentices but charge full price. Not recommended by this forum lurker.I have gone there several times and always got an experienced therapist who totally chased the jet-lag and muscle cramps out of my body. Hah, it must be my good karma that gives me good partners everytime, both in Wat Pho and in more naughty establishments.
I've never seen anyone tip at a soapie. The papasans receive a good salary so no need to worry about them. They seem to remember me and the way I like to do things anyway.Is that knowledge or just a guess? What salary do they receive and at which Soapy? How would you be seeing what tips the chear person received? In the old days it was certainly my understanding that chear persons did not receive a salary at Chao Praya 2 for example. They relied on tips, and possibly kickbacks from girls as well. Waitresses did not receive a salary also, or extremely minimal and needed tips to survive.
Do chear persons in a soapy have set working hours? I am not so sure. They tend to show up a little bit irregularly.
It is very normal for people to tip the chear person at a soapy, where the chear person is helpful in some way, even the Thais do that. It can be very useful for example, to have the phone number of the cheer person. I could then ring and check if my favourite girl is working, and also have the cheer person make a booking for me. Obviously cheer persons get tips for this service, and also for recommending fantastic girls, instead of the dud ones. Soapies do have significant percentages of dud girls no chemistry, dick scared girls, very average girls, ones with body not so good, and then there are the good ones.
There maybe soapies where the tipping model does not work, e. G. Annies, and possibly soapies heavily oriented towards Japanese customers. Maybe they don't receive much tips at Nataree, I don't know. probably get kickbacks from girls though.
Did you not go to those soapies because they have declined in girl-quality? I know you said the regulators weren't up to spec anymore, but did you find it not worth doing any talent scouting, due to a drop in quality?
I stay in ratcahda for the past year, and have stopped going to all of the soapies here. And despite how close they are to me. I used to go to them a lot when I was staying further away while I lived in Bangkok, 2 years ago. I was quite pleased with the quality 2 years ago and was always glad to have made the trip, to places like Ceasars and such. However now, I live here, and just can't stand walking into these places. The quality of the girls seems so nonexistent. There used to be models, but now its only average and below average it seems. Nataree seems to be the only last bastion for looks, but they also have off days where its only average. And they certainly aren't great for quality in my opinion / experience.I am not exactly saying its not worth scouting for talent. However it's time consuming. The best looking girls seem to be very limited in their numbers. Sometimes you find a good looker and the session is not great. Part of my problem is being turned off by fake noses and silicone tits. I don't go for the very fake looks that have become so popular today. Really struggle to find great lookers at la Belle where others think the girls look great. Many poor performances experienced there as well. Not a great deal of luck. Papasan tends to recommend girls just not my spec at all. Fake looks, nose jobs, silicones, westernised looking dolls.
Have visited The Lord two or 3 times. Yet to make a booking. Better looking girl was taken. In old days had a low percentage of good sessions at Nataree. In modern day visited there occasionally, usually leaving empty handed. Many girls above average, but very limited real stunners. Sometimes I saw a girl I liked but she was pre booked waiting or already sitting with a guy.
Many of the best girls at a venue can be pre-booked and don't even make it to the line up.
I think to really scout the talent, you have to be prepared to sit at a place for a long time, on multiple days, watching girls come and go with customers, and make notes of the best numbers, so that you can book them on another day. My ex favorite at Amsterdam, was first seen coming out of a booking on the arm of a customer, and I knew I wanted her immediately, tall, pretty face and very curvy hips. I hurriedly enquired if she had another booking coming up and fortunately not. I never ever saw her actually sitting in the Amsterdam standard line up area. Unfortunately she doesn't seem to work there any more and changed her phone number. Probably retired.
Overall its not very easy if you are fussy about girl meeting a certain set of specs. I find it much easier at the bar, and it's not quite so boring just perusing girls for long periods till find the one.
Years ago I was happy to sit in Chao Praya 2 for long periods, drinking, eating, etc. I got to see all the very best girls come and go. Unfortunately this place declined a lot.
I could routinely tip a cheer person at a soapy 100 baht, if they were helpful, but extra tip if they put me on to some really fantastic girl. Unfortunately the later has not happened for a very long time. Years ago since that last happened.
I've never seen anyone tip at a soapie. The papasans receive a good salary so no need to worry about them. They seem to remember me and the way I like to do things anyway.BTW WM,
I experienced an extremely impatient papas an at Amsterdam one time. I avoid him like the plague now. They meet you at the front door and escort you down to the front to view the girls. Seems they are expected to sit with you till you select a girl and then take you to the cash register where they probably expect a tip. (Girls have been known to suggest a tip for papas an as well. Just an aside thought).
Anyway my papas an was extremely impatient. He was doing his best annoyingly, to have me select a girl in a great hurry, this including telling extreme lies, such as what I could see in the line up was all there was. It was really obvious to any fool that other girls were coming out to join the line up, either having just completed their makeup after arriving at work or after returning from another customer. I was in no hurry to choose.
Now if the guy was on salary, why would he be so pushy, and why not be happy to relax patiently? Actually try to be helpful maybe. On the other hand is most of his money comes from a routine customer tip, naturally he would want to turn over customers quickly. After telling him to cease bullshitting to me a couple of times, I eventually told him to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off, basically, making it clear he was wasting his time if he was expecting a tip. I wasn't born yesterday or a newbie. His recommendations were of no interest to me whatsoever. He did not even know my taste other than I stated I hated nose jobs which ruled out about 80% to 90% of the girls.
Now if the guy was on salary, why would he be so pushy, and why not be happy to relax patiently? Actually try to be helpful maybe. On the other hand is most of his money comes from a routine customer tip, naturally he would want to turn over customers quickly. I see it the other way. If he lived off tips he would go out of his way to be friendly and helpful. If he's just trying to increase customer throughput like he was with you it shows his only interests are the interests of the establishment, so it's fair to assume he's on a salary.
Of course I haven't done an academic study on what percentage of customers tip, but I'm fairly sure it's a minority. If you sit in a go go bar it's obvious that almost all the customers leave tips. I've sat around in soapies and waited at the cashier for my turn and never seen it. More importantly they're just not acting in a way that suggests they expect a tip. They are quite helpful in Nataree, for example if you say you're looking for big tits today he might point one out hidden in a corner. And I always confirm she doesn't have a baby so I have a guarantee of that. Sometimes they laugh at me and say 'none of these girls have babies' but years ago I had a 2300 baht girl who did have nasty stretch marks. Probably they don't hire girls like that any more.
Maybe things are different in places like Amsterdam which seem more about ostentatious displays of wealth than getting your end away.
One question: do Candy girls Ammy (and the one before, what's her name) do A+? If yes, they're definitely on my list to try.
Ammy does not do A+. I had a session with her and she was OK.
Do you mind sharing your opinion with us on where you are finding quality these days, since you live there? Thanks I agree with you about the MPs. I was at The Lord last December and was disappointed. For the prices they charged, I expected better eye candy.I have to take MRT all the way down to Sukhumvit oillies to get any quality (looks-wise). Out here, the price and quality are bad. If I were to walk into a Ratchada soapy, my main issue is that I have to walk out very soon, and that is almost always the case now. And so its kind of award to keep doing that. Also, soapies are still charging more, yet have less quality. Which really prohibits my desire to go to them.
I think Nataree is probably still worth checking out. However, half the time it's nothing to write home about looks-wise. Quality wise, it's pretty mechanical, scripted and slightly rushed. Emmanuel, I went recently and most of the girls are really below average. But because it isn't swamped with dudes, there were like 2-3 attractive women ready and willing to please. So it helps to go to multiple and be willing to walk out if you don't see what you like.
If you go to Ratachada, be ready to walk into and out of a lot of soapies. Although, that has always been the case. It's just more so now that you can't walk into a single one and be glad you did.
In short, I only visit the oillies on Sukhumvit now. Best price and quality. I think the soapies are either getting hammered by japs (too many dudes, not enough girls working), or they are places where locals go to through money around in a group (gain face). And that the gogos are becoming falang tourist traps (It costs 4000 baht for short time there, if you add up all the costs: ST price (2500) lady drink (200 baht), BF (800), your drink (100-200), short-time room (350). Whereas the oillies provide that for 1/2 the price, and better accommodations. However, my biggest complaint with gogos is that there are nights that I literally cannot find a woman on Soi Cowboy that I would pay for sex. There are many times I can just hop from gogo to gogo and see not a single attractive dancer. I really hate wasting all the time and coming up empty.
Part of my problem is being turned off by fake noses and silicone tits.That's more, or less, the same exact problem I am running into in Ratchada soapies. Places that used to be super-high quality 2-3 years ago, Copa Cabana and Ceasars, are now look like plastic surgery outpatient clinics to me. Was in Caesars, and every woman there had a fake nose. I know the Thais love them, because they are different. Different = sexy in all cultures. People in the west want tans, people in the east want pale skin. An old Japanese doctor once told me, "People want what they don't have. " Smart person, that one.
That's more, or less, the same exact problem I am running into in Ratchada soapies. Places that used to be super-high quality 2-3 years ago, Copa Cabana and Ceasars, are now look like plastic surgery outpatient clinics to me. Was in Caesars, and every woman there had a fake nose. I know the Thais love them, because they are different. Different = sexy in all cultures. People in the west want tans, people in the east want pale skin. An old Japanese doctor once told me, "People want what they don't have. " Smart person, that one.I may sound stupid here but what is all this fake nose business?? I can spot a pair of fake bangers anywhere but a fake nose, I've obviously been oblivious.
I see it the other way. If he lived off tips he would go out of his way to be friendly and helpful. If he's just trying to increase customer throughput like he was with you it shows his only interests are the interests of the establishment, so it's fair to assume he's on a salary.
Of course I haven't done an academic study on what percentage of customers tip, but I'm fairly sure it's a minority. If you sit in a go go bar it's obvious that almost all the customers leave tips. I've sat around in soapies and waited at the cashier for my turn and never seen it. More importantly they're just not acting in a way that suggests they expect a tip. They are quite helpful in Nataree, for example if you say you're looking for big tits today he might point one out hidden in a corner. And I always confirm she doesn't have a baby so I have a guarantee of that. Sometimes they laugh at me and say 'none of these girls have babies' but years ago I had a 2300 baht girl who did have nasty stretch marks. Probably they don't hire girls like that any more.
Maybe things are different in places like Amsterdam which seem more about ostentatious displays of wealth than getting your end away.Ha ha. It could be that girls with babies get sent to work in the fishbowl along with older girls. Certainly girls with babies exist.
Your assumption about the guy likely to be very helpful in order to get a tip, doesn't really work for me. Could be he has assumed he will either not get a tip from me, or will get a token tip regardless of service. This is correct. I don't like his attitude. He is not going to get a tip. I don't ask for his help, but potentially could, if I trusted him (a bit unlikely) and got worthwhile info, or he was simply nice and provided some service. Some lie and say girl has natural tits or no nose job, when I can see these problems with the girl as plain as day. Sometimes I found a girl has silicone after she took gear off, even though papasan believed not. Either he was mistaken or a liar. They under estimate the customer intelligence. I generally find mamasans are more honest than papasans overall, in soapies. I prefer to talk to females, where some guys may be more embarrassed to ask them very explicit questions. The
Comment about Amsterdam is pretty silly. Obviously customers go to wherever they have the best success rate for finding a very pretty girl that performs, or some customers go to where they can get a moderately pretty girl for the lowest price. Not every customer is looking for bottom price. Over the years I has better success rate at Amsterdam than Nataree for unknown reason, but importantly found a favourite there that was repeated plenty of times. As simple as that. There is still a massive fake nose problem at Amsterdam.
It could be that customers tip much less at the lower class Soapies, and tip much more at the higher class soapies. I will in future check about papasans'salaries, but certainly my understanding is that significant percentage of their earnings is coming from tips, at establishments that I have been a regular at, dating back from 15 to 20 years ago when I was a regular at Chao Praya 2, and excluding Annies, where I only became a customer in relatively recent years, and only really for specific girls.
I will research about it, because I don't like to just guess. I will report again on this topic, when I get some good info from papasans/mamasans that I have known very well for years.
I have to take MRT all the way down to Sukhumvit oillies to get any quality (looks-wise)...If you go to Ratachada, be ready to walk into and out of a lot of soapies...There are many times I can just hop from gogo to gogo and see not a single attractive dancer. I really hate wasting all the time and coming up empty.Thanks for your input, and I pretty much agree with you. I have practically given up on GoGos, way too expensive and not much quality. Plus folks from SEA seem to get first pick, and I don't belong to that group. Too bad for me.
Yeah, the oilers seem to be good for the money. I have been pleased with my experiences there. I also have discovered free lancers a few years ago and I am happy with that avenue. I've met quite a few lovely ladies that way, and I am fairly pleased with the price.
That's more, or less, the same exact problem I am running into in Ratchada soapies. Places that used to be super-high quality 2-3 years ago, Copa Cabana and Ceasars, are now look like plastic surgery outpatient clinics to me. Was in Caesars, and every woman there had a fake nose. I know the Thais love them, because they are different. Different = sexy in all cultures. People in the west want tans, people in the east want pale skin. An old Japanese doctor once told me, "People want what they don't have. " Smart person, that one.I feel we are on the same wavelength. I too was stunned by the downturn at Emannuelle, in both total number of girls in the line up, and in the number of girls with natural beauty.
I was never a customer at Caesars, because of the attempts to charge double price for westerners, or very High Farang surcharge, and very small line ups when I first went there.
Copa Cabana also has been a struggle to select a girl in the modern day. Many years back it seemed great. Poseidon was always over rated ever since I can remember. Models upstairs were young with good bodies, but faces very ordinary and certainly mostly not my spec.
It's now years since I took a girl at any of these places. Long Beach, Hi Class, also went down hill. Last I looked, some very good looking girls in La Defense but quite difficult to find a great performer not scared of Farangs.
Utopia was another place that dropped off badly. Numbers of girls and customers severely dropped away. Had a favorite girl there long ago. She got older, put on weight, became less GFE (probably due to jaded with sex) and more dick scared, in addition to moving up to a higher price bracket. Had to abandon her. Hard to find a replacement.
My only soapy bookings in the last year or two that I can recall right now, have been Amsterdam, La Belle, Annies, Dr. BJ Nuru (almost like a soapy). Can't be bothered to go too far afield that often and leave empty handed. Even left The Lord and Nataree empty handed several times. If I did not mind the surgeries look, and westernised Asian look, and ridiculous hair styles, and was willing to take a girl less pretty than the ones already booked, all would be different I am sure.
Less than 50% of my La Belle sessions have been good, and hardly anyone worth repeating. Have done slightly better at Amsterdam. Dr. BJ Nuru and Annies has been easily the most successful for how much I enjoyed the session, but found you can do equally well at a place like Addict which has a spa bath (if desired), and ability to do body slide massage. So Addict could be considered to be an Oily/Soapy hybrid, and is a very good option. The standard of girls' line up is bit above most of the soapies. it is also very conveniently located for a quick look inside without going up to Ratchadaa or Petchburi road.
Does a soapy bath with the girl have any real importance? Not for me any more. It's really just about finding pretty girls with good bodies. I like the body slide fake massage more than the soapy bath. Soapy bath can be jest a waste of time and I hate the jacuzzies at La Belle (not comfortable).
15 years ago, was much easier to find girl natural looks to my taste in soapies with a big line up like Chao Praya 2 (big line up back then). Not now. Originally mainly a soapies type of guy. 8 years ago started to migrate to Oilies for cheaper more wild sex. Always have been doing bar girls, but this has become more dominant in last 5 years, due to wanting to be able to see the entire girl package before choosing, and basic liking for naked girls.
If there are was hybrid, like a soapy with 100 girls all naked, and having at least 50% natural looks girls, under 30 YO, in a club type atmosphere where could mingle with girls and buy them a drink first, before making selection, that could suit me perfectly. It would be like a cross between Soapy, bar, and German FKK club.
Thanks for your input, and I pretty much agree with you. I have practically given up on GoGos, way too expensive and not much quality. Plus folks from SEA seem to get first pick, and I don't belong to that group. Too bad for me.
Yeah, the oilers seem to be good for the money. I have been pleased with my experiences there. I also have discovered free lancers a few years ago and I am happy with that avenue. I've met quite a few lovely ladies that way, and I am fairly pleased with the price.Japanese or Koreans that have 5 inches, fuck 4 minutes (or was it 4 and 5? Forget the joke detail), and pay 3 K, for sure are going to be extremely popular. However, I do find I can get to some of the very nice girls for my spec. Often my spec girls are not the same as the Japanese and Korean spec. If you do not go for ghostly white fake looking girls, can do okay Most of my girls prefer western guys (or so they say). Perhaps it is more so that western men prefer them more than Asians do.
Very hard indeed to find free lancers with perfect looks. Before the clothes come off, you don't know what you are getting. With freelancers you have to compromise on the face and body significantly to get a lower price. Still no performance guarantee. I have not ben so lucky with getting any really enjoyable freelancers that I want to repeat many times. Sometimes the experience was weak. Sometimes the body defects including baby damage put me off too much. Guess I am just too fussy about the looks.
I think one of the biggest reasons I don't like soapies anymore is the format. The innocent girl bathing you routine is how various Asian cultures do foreplay. It's just a routine to me (one that I am fairly bored of), and it tends to just bore me more than anything. So I only see value in the soapies if they have stunners that the oillies don't have. And that is no longer the case anymore. There is both an actual talent crunch, but also a clique where *all* the girls in some soapies have nosejobs. Their clientele are 90% or more asian.
The biggest problem I have with gogo's is that their price is getting too close to FS in my own country, where I can choose between Koreans, Thais and Chinese. In my home, in San Francisco, I can pay 7000 baht for ST. It's nothing like Thailand, where you can easily see a whole dance floor before you buy. However, there are plenty of 8/10's hotties offering 7000 baht ST. And being at home and talent scouting isn't hard, especially with sites like these. In Thailand, I pay 4000 baht at a gogo for what used to pass as a bar girl (7. 5/10 at best most times). As for service, it's almost always okay. But in my home, the asian working girls are usually Korean, and just seem to provide much better service everytime. I think that is a training difference though, not directly a cultural difference.
Basically with Gogo's, once they eclipse the 3000 baht price, they are prohibitively more expensive to me than soapies. I do pay 5000 baht at a soapy, but that's on occasion and the girl truly is a stunner.
Brazil Traveller
02-25-16, 09:48
Japanese or Koreans that have 5 inches, fuck 4 minutes (or was it 4 and 5? Forget the joke detail), and pay 3 K, for sure are going to be extremely popular. However, I do find I can get to some of the very nice girls for my spec. Often my spec girls are not the same as the Japanese and Korean spec. If you do not go for ghostly white fake looking girls, can do okay Most of my girls prefer western guys (or so they say). Perhaps it is more so that western men prefer them more than Asians do.
Very hard indeed to find free lancers with perfect looks. Before the clothes come off, you don't know what you are getting. With freelancers you have to compromise on the face and body significantly to get a lower price. Still no performance guarantee. I have not ben so lucky with getting any really enjoyable freelancers that I want to repeat many times. Sometimes the experience was weak. Sometimes the body defects including baby damage put me off too much. Guess I am just too fussy about the looks.I agree about the oilies being the best option in Bangkok today in terms of performances of the girls in particular, my experience sees performances of girls in oilies rating on average 7 out of 10, in massage parlors 6, in gogos 6 and freelancers in discos at the bottom of the list with a 5 out of 10 in terms of average performances. It would be interesting to hear if other punters had the same or different experiences.
The biggest problem I have with gogo's is that their price is getting too close to FS in my own country, where I can choose between Koreans, Thais and Chinese. In my home, in San Francisco, I can pay 7000 baht for ST. It's nothing like Thailand, where you can easily see a whole dance floor before you buy. However, there are plenty of 8/10's hotties offering 7000 baht ST. And being at home and talent scouting isn't hard, especially with sites like these. In Thailand, I pay 4000 baht at a gogo for what used to pass as a bar girl (7. 5/10 at best most times). As for service, it's almost always okay. But in my home, the asian working girls are usually Korean, and just seem to provide much better service everytime. I think that is a training difference though, not directly a cultural difference.
In general I find Korean girls less good looking than Thais for my taste. I gave up Thai girls in my home country many years ago, mainly because was like 2500 Baht for 30 minutes. That amount of time was not enough for me. Thailand used to provide me with 3 or 4 times the amount of time, for a similar price or less. As Thailand gets more pricey, this may not still be the case, but I have no clue about prices in my own country any more. The quality for looks was not that great in former times, so I doubt has improved much. Did have some good fucks back home many years ago though.
I did manage to give up everything back hoe without too much difficulty many years ago, at least, when discovered German FKK clubs.
In general I find Korean girls less good looking than Thais for my taste. I gave up Thai girls in my home country many years ago, mainly because was like 2500 Baht for 30 minutes. That amount of time was not enough for me. Thailand used to provide me with 3 or 4 times the amount of time, for a similar price or less. As Thailand gets more pricey, this may not still be the case, but I have no clue about prices in my own country any more. The quality for looks was not that great in former times, so I doubt has improved much. Did have some good fucks back home many years ago though.
I did manage to give up everything back hoe without too much difficulty many years ago, at least, when discovered German FKK clubs.Always loved Koreans. Best plastic surgeons in the world and the chicks look great after surgery, unlike most Thai gals. The majority of the P4 P gals I had in my home country were Korean and all were pretty skilled. Far nastier mouths and more intense than Thai gals. They screw you with aggression; not unlike Viet gals who I also love. And most tend to be white skinned.
The soapie bath didn't really do much for me in the past. Too much like bath time as a child. But I tried to change my outlook and enjoy it more and now I find it relaxing and a great way to appreciate a nice big pair of wet tits. The problem with the oilies is that 90% of the girls have babies and it's a bit of a hassle to find the ones who don't. Probably the ones who don't also have lower service standards so I wouldn't say you'd necessarily get better service in an oily compared to a soapie. The gogos are way overpriced for what you get. The total price is 4000+ baht for what? Having a shower on your own and then a quick fuck? For that price you can get a much better quality girl in the soapies and spend longer with her. It's great when you're on holiday but when you actually live here the lady drink and "conversation" that goes with it is just a frustrating waste of time. For me what you get at Nataree is better than anything you get in the oilies or gogos.
Gannaton48
02-25-16, 21:21
The soapie bath didn't really do much for me in the past. Too much like bath time as a child. But I tried to change my outlook and enjoy it more and now I find it relaxing and a great way to appreciate a nice big pair of wet tits. The problem with the oilies is that 90% of the girls have babies and it's a bit of a hassle to find the ones who don't. Probably the ones who don't also have lower service standards so I wouldn't say you'd necessarily get better service in an oily compared to a soapie. The gogos are way overpriced for what you get. The total price is 4000+ baht for what? Having a shower on your own and then a quick fuck? For that price you can get a much better quality girl in the soapies and spend longer with her. It's great when you're on holiday but when you actually live here the lady drink and "conversation" that goes with it is just a frustrating waste of time. For me what you get at Nataree is better than anything you get in the oilies or gogos.Agree that the choice at Nataree is fantastic, but almost impossible to get BBBJ (very few exceptions), which is a joke in 2016! GO to beerbar Soi 7, spend time talking and bring the lady to your room for 1200 you will get everything!
Christian G
02-25-16, 22:05
The gogos are way overpriced for what you get. The total price is 4000+ baht for what? Having a shower on your own and then a quick fuck? For that price you can get a much better quality girl in the soapies and spend longer with her. It's great when you're on holiday but when you actually live here the lady drink and "conversation" that goes with it is just a frustrating waste of time. I come in Thailand for holiday but I always found spend my time (and money) in drink and ladydrinks very boring and waste of time.
Agree that the choice at Nataree is fantastic, but almost impossible to get BBBJ (very few exceptions), which is a joke in 2016! GO to beerbar Soi 7, spend time talking and bring the lady to your room for 1200 you will get everything!Interesting. I never take CBJ, but then I haven't taken any Nataree girl recently either.
The soapie bath didn't really do much for me in the past. Too much like bath time as a child. But I tried to change my outlook and enjoy it more and now I find it relaxing and a great way to appreciate a nice big pair of wet tits. The problem with the oilies is that 90% of the girls have babies and it's a bit of a hassle to find the ones who don't. Probably the ones who don't also have lower service standards so I wouldn't say you'd necessarily get better service in an oily compared to a soapie. The gogos are way overpriced for what you get. The total price is 4000+ baht for what? Having a shower on your own and then a quick fuck? For that price you can get a much better quality girl in the soapies and spend longer with her. It's great when you're on holiday but when you actually live here the lady drink and "conversation" that goes with it is just a frustrating waste of time. For me what you get at Nataree is better than anything you get in the oilies or gogos.Not having time to have a long conversation with a Soapy girl, is actually precisely where the problem is. No assessment of chemistry. 2nd problem is don't know her body till she takes her clothes off, and don't know how she will sieze up in the legs until she sees the man naked. Combination of these 3 problems leads me to a poor success with Nataree girls and Soapy girls in general, in the modern day, and not having a mamasan that knows exactly what I am looking for (like I used to have at Chao Praya 2 many years ago).
In a bar there is some opportunity to find out more about a girl first, then throw her back. It's not foolproof but there are advantages, that I do not consider to be a waste of time. Maybe speaking Thai helps make the chat time of more use, I don't know.
Plenty of times, I think a girl may appeal, call her for a chat for a bit, but soon could decide I don't really don't like her that much after all. Sometimes a girl did not stay that long either. She had a chance to decide she did not like me that much too, or became scared of something.
Agree that the choice at Nataree is fantastic, but almost impossible to get BBBJ (very few exceptions), which is a joke in 2016! GO to beerbar Soi 7, spend time talking and bring the lady to your room for 1200 you will get everything!There was a heated debate about BBBJ in Nataree a while back. It seems that if you ask downstairs most of the girls will refuse but if you don't say anything and ask the girl when you get to the room it's more like 50-50.
Not having time to have a long conversation with a Soapy girl, is actually precisely where the problem is. No assessment of chemistry. 2nd problem is don't know her body till she takes her clothes off, and don't know how she will sieze up in the legs until she sees the man naked. Combination of these 3 problems leads me to a poor success with Nataree girls and Soapy girls in general, in the modern day, and not having a mamasan that knows exactly what I am looking for (like I used to have at Chao Praya 2 many years ago).
In a bar there is some opportunity to find out more about a girl first, then throw her back. It's not foolproof but there are advantages, that I do not consider to be a waste of time. Maybe speaking Thai helps make the chat time of more use, I don't know.
Plenty of times, I think a girl may appeal, call her for a chat for a bit, but soon could decide I don't really don't like her that much after all. Sometimes a girl did not stay that long either. She had a chance to decide she did not like me that much too, or became scared of something.Plenty of times in the past I took a girl who seemed great while chatting in the bar but back in the hotel it was the usual go shower, wrap up in towel then mediocre sex routine. I speak Thai a lot better now than I did back then but it's difficult to have any kind of conversation in those noisy bars. At least in a soapie the girl doesn't go and have a shower by herself and then come out wrapped in a towel. You're at least guaranteed bathing with a nice young girl who is then compliant in bed. I always bring a decent lube and use plenty of it which the girls appreciate. It's true sometimes the body isn't quite as good as you hoped, maybe a flat arse or chunky legs or whatever but if she's young, slim and child-free then she's sure to have a fairly decent body.
Member #4591
02-27-16, 10:23
There was a heated debate about BBBJ in Nataree a while back. It seems that if you ask downstairs most of the girls will refuse but if you don't say anything and ask the girl when you get to the room it's more like 50-50.
Plenty of times in the past I took a girl who seemed great while chatting in the bar but back in the hotel it was the usual go shower, wrap up in towel then mediocre sex routine. I speak Thai a lot better now than I did back then but it's difficult to have any kind of conversation in those noisy bars. At least in a soapie the girl doesn't go and have a shower by herself and then come out wrapped in a towel. You're at least guaranteed bathing with a nice young girl who is then compliant in bed. I always bring a decent lube and use plenty of it which the girls appreciate. It's true sometimes the body isn't quite as good as you hoped, maybe a flat arse or chunky legs or whatever but if she's young, slim and child-free then she's sure to have a fairly decent body.I can only say that every time I have had a BBBJ there.
Member #4591
02-27-16, 10:28
Thanks for your input, and I pretty much agree with you. I have practically given up on GoGos, way too expensive and not much quality. Plus folks from SEA seem to get first pick, and I don't belong to that group. Too bad for me.
Yeah, the oilers seem to be good for the money. I have been pleased with my experiences there. I also have discovered free lancers a few years ago and I am happy with that avenue. I've met quite a few lovely ladies that way, and I am fairly pleased with the price.I'm not sure I understand your comment about folks from SEA getting first pics at the GoGos. The customers in there are mainly westerners, Japenese, and Korean, mainly tourists. You will few or none from South East Asian countries. Guys from Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnemam, and Indonesia just don't have the coin to spend and can get it back home. However you may find the odd Malasysian man there.
I'm not sure I understand your comment about folks from SEA getting first pics at the GoGos. The customers in there are mainly westerners, Japenese, and Korean, mainly tourists.I believe the OP is referring to Japanese and Korean customers. On Soi 33 there are karaoke bars and clubs, and Vanilla, a BJ bar that are strictly for Japanese and Korean. If you a round eye, the ladies sitting outside don't even look at you.
I believe the OP is referring to Japanese and Korean customers...Thanks Java Man, indeed that's what I meant, Korean, Japanese, and Chinese. I apologize for mis-using the acronym SEA, my bad.
I can only say that every time I have had a BBBJ there.You must be the lucky handsome young man. I have been going there Nataree at least a few times a year for about 15 years, and the BBBJ rate has declined to abysmal, especially the outside the fish tank sideliners. I think I went there about 8-9 times in past 2-3 years, I don't recall I got any BBBJ from these young cute sideliners. But in the past like more than 7-8 yeras ago, it was the norm. My BKK expat friend who gets calls from papasan when new things come in, too feel BBBJ in Nataree but also Ratchada parlors are gradually getting extinct, I also go other shops frequently when I am in BKK like Emmannuel, Caesar, Catherine, Avita, Meree, ect, the BBBJ rate has definitely declined in recent yeras, I guess the workers are getting more informed the risk, and customers demand less, especially the Chinese and other Asian clients which is now the main core of these mega parlors.
Plenty of times in the past I took a girl who seemed great while chatting in the bar but back in the hotel it was the usual go shower, wrap up in towel then mediocre sex routine. I speak Thai a lot better now than I did back then but it's difficult to have any kind of conversation in those noisy bars. At least in a soapie the girl doesn't go and have a shower by herself and then come out wrapped in a towel. You're at least guaranteed bathing with a nice young girl who is then compliant in bed.A chat and cuddle with the girl doesn't guarantee anything, but at least allows about 50% to be ruled out due to weak chemistry. We can only assume that those weeded out, would not have been the best. True you get some very shy girls not keen to shower with a man. I have been known to pick rather shy girls, and obviously their room behavior can be very shy. Some of those shy girls do turn out to be good fun in the end. A couple of tequilas is a known shyness remedy. I specially remember a stunner May-Lee who was rather ordinary my first ST with her, but was quite passionate and into it, the 2nd time with 2 or 3 tequilas into her. The tequilas remedy is not so available at Soapies.
Compliant in bed? Some of the soapy girls turn out to be scared rather than compliant, as can happen with gogo girls as well. I don't see that Soapy girls are more compliant. I do tend to agree that fishbowl girls are better than sideline girls at Nataree due to much greater experience. Too many girls I got from sideline acted like scared virgins that knew nothing, including little knowledge of BJs, BBBJ or otherwise. Fresh from the farm?
A lot of gogo girls are either young mothers or have Thai boyfriends or have been fucking around with Thai boys. In any case, I find them a bit more experienced than Nataree girls, possibly the worst venue for finding experienced Soapy girls.
I generally go for either experienced girls or girls who at least like fucking (given the right customer). Where-ever we may find them, scared semi virgin girls are not great.
Although Nataree has a much better line up for average looks than somewhere like Annies, my success rate at Annies for the few girls I liked the look of, has been vastly better. The girls tend to have much more experience. I only ever had one disaster girl at Annies, yet at Nataree, had numerous disappointments.
I admit that really young girls is just as much of a risk at Gogos, hence have to be very careful and try to determine the girl's attitude and chemistry somewhat.
Always loved Koreans. Best plastic surgeons in the world and the chicks look great after surgery, unlike most Thai gals. The majority of the P4 P gals I had in my home country were Korean and all were pretty skilled. Far nastier mouths and more intense than Thai gals. They screw you with aggression; not unlike Viet gals who I also love. And most tend to be white skinned."Nastier mouths". I can't be sure what that means. BBBJ?
Aggression doesn't really do anything for me. I am more into slow and erotic. Each to their own.
I have seen quite a lot of Korean soap opera TV shows, dubbed into another language. Thai girls are quite into Korean programs. I thought the Korean men were generally more handsome than Thai men (how would I know not being a girl? Yet the looks of the Korean female leads, with occasional exception, were rather plain for me. Just not my taste.
Most of the modern Thai Soap opera (Lakhorn) girls were also not my taste. Yes it is the surgeries look not working for me.
Always loved Koreans. Best plastic surgeons in the world and the chicks look great after surgery, unlike most Thai gals. The majority of the P4 P gals I had in my home country were Korean and all were pretty skilled. Far nastier mouths and more intense than Thai gals. They screw you with aggression; not unlike Viet gals who I also love. And most tend to be white skinned.The same here. I met my first Korean working girl in the Bay Area, California, back in 2008, and never looked back. It's been my main P4 P diet ever since. I hardly see anybody else now, except when I travel. I find them beautiful, sophisticated, knowledgeable, and they know how to treat a man like a king. Not easy to connect with them, but when I do it's pure bliss. Most of them go back home after 3 months, and it's getting more and more difficult for them to come back again. Hence, I have followed some of them to Korea, since I travel to Asia a couple of times a year. Japanese working girls are the only other group that can compete with the Koreans, in my experience.
I still love Thai girls, Filipinas, Viet, and Indonesian girls, but I find the Korean WGs a step above.
The same here. I met my first Korean working girl in the Bay Area, California, back in 2008, and never looked back. It's been my main P4 P diet ever since. I hardly see anybody else now, except when I travel. I find them beautiful, sophisticated, knowledgeable, and they know how to treat a man like a king. Not easy to connect with them, but when I do it's pure bliss. Most of them go back home after 3 months, and it's getting more and more difficult for them to come back again. Hence, I have followed some of them to Korea, since I travel to Asia a couple of times a year. Japanese working girls are the only other group that can compete with the Koreans, in my experience.
I still love Thai girls, Filipinas, Viet, and Indonesian girls, but I find the Korean WGs a step above.I have only ever had two Japanese girls, both were good, with figures a little imperfect, but great GFE. However I guess this is the Thailand thread so not sure why we are starting to focus on Koreans or any other as we won't be finding them in Thailand, let alone Bangkok MPs.
Maybe this topic is better off in another thread.
"Nastier mouths". I can't be sure what that means. BBBJ?
Aggression doesn't really do anything for me. I am more into slow and erotic. Each to their own.
I have seen quite a lot of Korean soap opera TV shows, dubbed into another language. Thai girls are quite into Korean programs. I thought the Korean men were generally more handsome than Thai men (how would I know not being a girl? Yet the looks of the Korean female leads, with occasional exception, were rather plain for me. Just not my taste.
Most of the modern Thai Soap opera (Lakhorn) girls were also not my taste. Yes it is the surgeries look not working for me.No meaning they like dirty talk and a far more vocal sexually, but also I have never had less than a stellar BBBJ from a Korean gal. Most seem to really love the pecker. They also are not shy about telling you what they like and want in bed. And I really like the Thai TV star gals. They are amazing. But the Korean gals, they are another level of beautiful to my eye. One that Thai gals never achieve. Korea has far better surgeons and a properly constructed Korean gal is just awesome. The hotel across from my condo gets scads of Koreans and some of the gals are jaw dropping hot. Too bad Korea is no longer a great place for P4 P. It was before the Seoul Olympics, in fact my friends that lived there in the 80's say the bar scene there put BKK to shame. Sad I missed it.
I have only ever had two Japanese girls, both were good, with figures a little imperfect, but great GFE. However I guess this is the Thailand thread so not sure why we are starting to focus on Koreans or any other as we won't be finding them in Thailand, let alone Bangkok MPs.
Maybe this topic is better off in another thread.Nah, I think it is fine in this thread as we are making comparisons to Thai gals. Never had a Japanese gal. Would love to sample.
The same here. I met my first Korean working girl in the Bay Area, California, back in 2008, and never looked back. It's been my main P4 P diet ever since. I hardly see anybody else now, except when I travel. I find them beautiful, sophisticated, knowledgeable, and they know how to treat a man like a king. Not easy to connect with them, but when I do it's pure bliss. Most of them go back home after 3 months, and it's getting more and more difficult for them to come back again. Hence, I have followed some of them to Korea, since I travel to Asia a couple of times a year. Japanese working girls are the only other group that can compete with the Koreans, in my experience.
I still love Thai girls, Filipinas, Viet, and Indonesian girls, but I find the Korean WGs a step above.My first experience was back in the mid-90's. They are a cut above. Of course I think Viets are a cut above Thais as well. They have some of the same qualities as Koreans when it comes to sex.
My first experience was back in the mid-90's. They are a cut above. Of course I think Viets are a cut above Thais as well. They have some of the same qualities as Koreans when it comes to sex.Based on my experiences with Korean girls in massage parlors in California, and to some degree New York (back when) I would have to agree their service is a cut or two above that of the typical Thai girl. The problem with the Korean massage parlors in the USA Is the law. I remember I had one in particular I used to go to in the LOS Angeles area many years ago, but then there was a new District Attorney (or City Attorney) elected who had said some negative things about prostitution. I immediately stopped partaking there and it turned out a couple of months later the parlor I had been a regular at got busted along with about six or seven customers.
Given this was too close for comfort, I haven't frequented these places in years; I miss them though. .
No meaning they like dirty talk and a far more vocal sexually, but also I have never had less than a stellar BBBJ from a Korean gal. Most seem to really love the pecker. They also are not shy about telling you what they like and want in bed. And I really like the Thai TV star gals. They are amazing. But the Korean gals, they are another level of beautiful to my eye. One that Thai gals never achieve. Korea has far better surgeons and a properly constructed Korean gal is just awesome. The hotel across from my condo gets scads of Koreans and some of the gals are jaw dropping hot. Too bad Korea is no longer a great place for P4 P. It was before the Seoul Olympics, in fact my friends that lived there in the 80's say the bar scene there put BKK to shame. Sad I missed it.This. They often look really hot for their cost. Their desire to compete with other girls, superficially, turns them all into babes basically, because they are super concerned about their looks. As for service, some only do covered BJ, but in places like America they probably service like 10 dudes a day. As for overall service, much better than Thai. 1-2 notches above. They actively tease throughout the whole session, are not shy about foreplay at all (it's not an act, it's how they roll in their own bed), and pretty much are just very enthusiastic in the bed, in an authentic and sexual way.
But thai girls are more cute overall, both in looks and personality. Koreans are very vapid, superficially; they are concerned with such small things like their looks and the cost of their material possessions. Yet internally, they can be fairly mean spirited, and conflict seeking, for seemingly no reason. Not at all the kind of people I would want to be around for long.
This. They often look really hot for their cost. Their desire to compete with other girls, superficially, turns them all into babes basically, because they are super concerned about their looks. As for service, some only do covered BJ, but in places like America they probably service like 10 dudes a day. As for overall service, much better than Thai. 1-2 notches above. They actively tease throughout the whole session, are not shy about foreplay at all (it's not an act, it's how they roll in their own bed), and pretty much are just very enthusiastic in the bed, in an authentic and sexual way.
But thai girls are more cute overall, both in looks and personality. Koreans are very vapid, superficially; they are concerned with such small things like their looks and the cost of their material possessions. Yet internally, they can be fairly mean spirited, and conflict seeking, for seemingly no reason. Not at all the kind of people I would want to be around for long.Thai gals just don't get the psychology of sex. They have a very simplistic approach for the most part. Teasing is just about non-existent here. Your description of Koreans is spot on. That makes them great in bed but lousy long term companions. Would not date one for the life of me. Thai gals are almost polar opposites. So Thai gal at home and Korean in the shops. That is the best of both worlds. Now if we can just import some Koreans to BKK. Viets are a close second to Koreans IMHO and I have found Indos to be quite wonderful as well. Thais and Khmers are about at the bottom of the list for me when it comes to sexual prowess in SE Asia. But the ease of availability is such a huge factor. Also I don't think I would want to live in Ho Chi Minh, Hanoi, or Jakarta and that plays a role as well. It's always a compromise. If things were to go pear-shaped in LOS I think I would head to KL. Great city, good food, fun available, and the Malaysia My 2nd Home visa program is outstanding.
Member #4591
03-01-16, 01:43
Went to Addict yesterday on Soi 24. Great line up and I was determined to choose since my regulars at Snow White and Mango were not there last night. I sat down in the waiting room and was surprised to see about 20 ladies all lined up for me. The waiting room is quite small so it was a little over whelming to see so many ladies all lined up in such a small area. What I did notice is that none were smiling. I ended up choosing a girl and I'm sorry but do not remember her number. Anyways the point of this post is simple. In the morning this place is dead. The girls come after lunch. I was told by my lady that they are very busy in the afternoons with many customers. I arrived at 6 Pm and my experience went like this. Paid the 3000 for 1. 5 hours in Jacuzzi room. The girl did the classic wasting time by taking me up to the room, chatting me up, filling the jacuzzi up, helping me undress, then going back down to get her kit, back up, undress and chat more. All in all about 30 minutes of my time. Extended massage even after I requested her to stop. Half hearted BBBJ, phone on the bed beside my head to check line, and complaints of pain because of many customers. The result is overworked ladies in a bad mood. High mileage shops like nateree seem to avoid this atitude but I will never return to addict again. Waste of my time and money.
LittleBigMan
03-02-16, 06:22
Koreans.
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My first experience with Koreans was in the late 70's and last time just before the O-Games in 1986, Always took what my cousin called from Hong Kong a fuck tour, plane fare includes Hotel. On my trip through my cousin connection all the girls were always provided to my hotel room each day unless I kept the same one. I was surprise of the pamper service, like washing me, folding my clothes, even had one who try to wipe my ass personally that was going to far. Wouldn't wish that on anyone! The girls I picked each time never had the standard Rev. Moon look just not my thing. Found them to be passionate in bed but their temper really turn me off. The go from sweet to hateful. Once change girl after 2 days. She went berserk. Breaking things and kicking my room door. In the early 90's went out a few times with a Korean Flight Attendant, the sex was good but one day I said I wasn't going down to L. A. To see her and all hell brought loose. At my cousins Real Estate office, I use to do some construction work there was a Korean Agent who was leaving her old American husband, so wanted to go out with me my cousin said stay away. She is pretty but has a hot temper heard that she pour hot water on him while he was sleeping. When it comes to Massage parlors in the States, The Bay Area, especially S. F. Was the tops, for Koreans in the early Mid 90's, there were places I visited that was packed, wall to wall girls like a fishbowl with Chinese, Koreans and Thais. I made friends with a number Koreans and Thais and saw them regularly but when it comes to G. F. I always had stopped short. Never wanted hot water on me? Now not sure today what Koreans girls are like but those day from my experience I stay away! Today those types of places are far and few.
I may sound stupid here but what is all this fake nose business?? I can spot a pair of fake bangers anywhere but a fake nose, I've obviously been oblivious.I was in you category for a long time. Now that a go-go dancer I know for several years explained it too me I finally understood. She had done her nose also, but contrary to what seems to be the opinion of many on this forum I find the nose jobs are mostly well done and make the girls face look better. Maybe it is just me? I seriously can not understand why a nose job should alter anything related to the appeal of the girl unless it is a job gone terribly wrong.
Went to Addict yesterday on Soi 24. Great line up and I was determined to choose since my regulars at Snow White and Mango were not there last night. I sat down in the waiting room and was surprised to see about 20 ladies all lined up for me. The waiting room is quite small so it was a little over whelming to see so many ladies all lined up in such a small area. What I did notice is that none were smiling. I ended up choosing a girl and I'm sorry but do not remember her number. Anyways the point of this post is simple. In the morning this place is dead. The girls come after lunch. I was told by my lady that they are very busy in the afternoons with many customers. I arrived at 6 Pm and my experience went like this. Paid the 3000 for 1. 5 hours in Jacuzzi room. The girl did the classic wasting time by taking me up to the room, chatting me up, filling the jacuzzi up, helping me undress, then going back down to get her kit, back up, undress and chat more. All in all about 30 minutes of my time. Extended massage even after I requested her to stop. Half hearted BBBJ, phone on the bed beside my head to check line, and complaints of pain because of many customers. The result is overworked ladies in a bad mood. High mileage shops like nateree seem to avoid this atitude but I will never return to addict again. Waste of my time and money.Bkkdog,
Your attitude really surprises me. This is what I expect from angry writers, but you are very experienced.
I previously reported that taking Jacuzzi is a waste of time and money. My session with JJ no Jacuzzi was really quite good. Great GFE and fabulous BBBJ in 69 position, enthusiastic fuck. Will repeat.
Sure you had a shit girl, granted. Any place can provide a crap girl in my experience. Forget about the venue and just agree the girl was crap.
Of course you can do anything you like. However one bad experience is an over reaction. Several bad experiences and I would give up too.
Both of my selected Addict girls were far better than what you describe, and others have also reported a good time is possible.
I had such a shit experience with Vodka at Candy once. I don't blame the MP Candy though. That would be silly. Just girl was over worked, too tired, couldn't be fucked to make an effort, and probably had a sore pussy. Shit happens sometimes.
My success rate at Addict is much better than at Nataree, so far. YMMV.
Coming out of bright sunshine, I could scarcely see the expression on girls faces. Should have been wearing my glasses. JJ was right next to me in the corridor light so could see her better.
I always recommend trying to get a girl fairly early in her working day, if can be first customer, so much the better. I know I fuck longer than normal so I need fresh girls. Takes me long time to cum. Yet some girls are still performing very well for me. 5 or 6 pm should be a good time, unless girl arrived very early and was extremely busy. I guess just a crap girl is likely
I may sound stupid here but what is all this fake nose business?? I can spot a pair of fake bangers anywhere but a fake nose, I've obviously been oblivious.It's not something I have focused on (I guess there are a couple of guys here (maybe more?) who consider whether a girl has a fake nose important). It's fake boobs and wigs that bother me. Fake noses don't bother me so long as they don't look like Michael Jackson or pig noses. I guess we all have our things.
I may sound stupid here but what is all this fake nose business?? I can spot a pair of fake bangers anywhere but a fake nose, I've obviously been oblivious.90% or more of Bangkok fake noses are extremely obvious. Ridge of nose too high. Sharp noses like a beak. Noses turned up so much that nostril holes become very prominent, like a pig. Plastic looking noses. Hook noses that are natural are not common for Thais.
They are even more obvious than silicones to me unless girl gets her gear off. I hate the alien look that results from fake noses. Sure so many guys don't care and don't notice the weirdness.
Surely you must have met a girl whose nose shape changed?
Koreans.
I.
My first experience with Koreans was in the late 70's and last time just before the O-Games in 1986, Always took what my cousin called from Hong Kong a fuck tour, plane fare includes Hotel. On my trip through my cousin connection all the girls were always provided to my hotel room each day unless I kept the same one. I was surprise of the pamper service, like washing me, folding my clothes, even had one who try to wipe my ass personally that was going to far. Wouldn't wish that on anyone! The girls I picked each time never had the standard Rev. Moon look just not my thing. Found them to be passionate in bed but their temper really turn me off. The go from sweet to hateful. Once change girl after 2 days. She went berserk. Breaking things and kicking my room door. In the early 90's went out a few times with a Korean Flight Attendant, the sex was good but one day I said I wasn't going down to L. A. To see her and all hell brought loose. At my cousins Real Estate office, I use to do some construction work there was a Korean Agent who was leaving her old American husband, so wanted to go out with me my cousin said stay away. She is pretty but has a hot temper heard that she pour hot water on him while he was sleeping. When it comes to Massage parlors in the States, The Bay Area, especially S. F. Was the tops, for Koreans in the early Mid 90's, there were places I visited that was packed, wall to wall girls like a fishbowl with Chinese, Koreans and Thais. I made friends with a number Koreans and Thais and saw them regularly but when it comes to G. F. I always had stopped short. Never wanted hot water on me? Now not sure today what Koreans girls are like but those day from my experience I stay away! Today those types of places are far and few.Well stated, and I concur. Would never date a Korean. Way too volatile. But they are fantastic P4 P partners.
LittleBigMan
03-03-16, 12:24
Well stated, and I concur. Would never date a Korean. Way too volatile. But they are fantastic P4 P partners.Hopefully soon since I'm running out of time, If the North falls I'm grabbing a flight out.
Eric Swiss
03-04-16, 08:03
Miss BJ Sukhumvit 22. This is NOT actually a BJ place. It seems to be new (by the decor), and somewhat positioned like Addict (despite the tee shirts). On the evening I was there (Monday I think), lots of very good looking girls. I chose "Dee" and the Full Service package for (I think) 2,000 bt. Small room, with shower but very clean and done with some taste.
I had great time! Dee has a body to die for, and was up for just about anything, including in the shower. Basically, she is Sex on toes. One of those times when fucking just feels so good! (Dee told me that she had just joined, have done a boring office job for a few years.) Highly recommended. As I think it's new, and trying to build a reputation.I agree it seems to be new. I asked for the VIP room, which was on the menu, and they said it was being worked on. I also asked for the costumes, which were also on the menu, and they said they didn't have them yet.
When I went there, the line-up was not so good. But thankfully there was Dee, so obviously I picked her, after reading the recommendation. I took the full service package with Nuru (2500 Baht). Actually it is also a BJ place, as this is one of the cheaper options on the menu. But if I had Dee sucking my cock, I would want to put a condom on and bang the shit out of her. Which I did.
She gave me the choice between a small room with inside shower, or a larger room with shower in the corridor on a higher floor. I chose the latter. It had a decoration of Mount Fuji. I think girls like this room. Makes them feel special, with the fake grass mat on the floor.
The description of Dee above could not be more spot on. She is just very sexy. For example, when I signaled I wanted to bang her doggy style, she took my hand, we lifted from the bed, she stood with her hands against the wall, and begged me to fuck her from behind standing. Now that's real class!
All in all: I would repeat Dee for sure, but they don't have the depth of Addict in terms of roster, and they are a bit far from the BTS, so that's a bit of a downer. Overall though an excellent discovery and a welcome change from the routine.
I agree it seems to be new. I asked for the VIP room, which was on the menu, and they said it was being worked on. I also asked for the costumes, which were also on the menu, and they said they didn't have them yet.
When I went there, the line-up was not so good. But thankfully there was Dee, so obviously I picked her, after reading the recommendation. I took the full service package with Nuru (2500 Baht). Actually it is also a BJ place, as this is one of the cheaper options on the menu. But if I had Dee sucking my cock, I would want to put a condom on and bang the shit out of her. Which I did.
She gave me the choice between a small room with inside shower, or a larger room with shower in the corridor on a higher floor. I chose the latter. It had a decoration of Mount Fuji. I think girls like this room. Makes them feel special, with the fake grass mat on the floor.
The description of Dee above could not be more spot on. She is just very sexy. For example, when I signaled I wanted to bang her doggy style, she took my hand, we lifted from the bed, she stood with her hands against the wall, and begged me to fuck her from behind standing. Now that's real class!
All in all: I would repeat Dee for sure, but they don't have the depth of Addict in terms of roster, and they are a bit far from the BTS, so that's a bit of a downer. Overall though an excellent discovery and a welcome change from the routine.Sounds good but when I looked at the website and saw they charge 500 Baht for an extra shot; I crossed it off my list.
Member #4591
03-04-16, 10:29
Bkkdog,
Your attitude really surprises me. This is what I expect from angry writers, but you are very experienced.
I previously reported that taking Jacuzzi is a waste of time and money. My session with JJ no Jacuzzi was really quite good. Great GFE and fabulous BBBJ in 69 position, enthusiastic fuck. Will repeat.
Sure you had a shit girl, granted. Any place can provide a crap girl in my experience. Forget about the venue and just agree the girl was crap.
Of course you can do anything you like. However one bad experience is an over reaction. Several bad experiences and I would give up too.
Both of my selected Addict girls were far better than what you describe, and others have also reported a good time is possible.
I had such a shit experience with Vodka at Candy once. I don't blame the MP Candy though. That would be silly. Just girl was over worked, too tired, couldn't be fucked to make an effort, and probably had a sore pussy. Shit happens sometimes.
My success rate at Addict is much better than at Nataree, so far. YMMV.
Coming out of bright sunshine, I could scarcely see the expression on girls faces. Should have been wearing my glasses. JJ was right next to me in the corridor light so could see her better.
I always recommend trying to get a girl fairly early in her working day, if can be first customer, so much the better. I know I fuck longer than normal so I need fresh girls. Takes me long time to cum. Yet some girls are still performing very well for me. 5 or 6 pm should be a good time, unless girl arrived very early and was extremely busy. I guess just a crap girl is likelyUnder normal circumstances I would agree with you, but not one girl smiled while standing their in the lobby. Honestly, they all looked like they wanted to die. 2 other punters came in while I was sitting and one commented on the same and left but the other Japanese guy took a lady the same as me. I should have went back to SW and took a different lady. I'm normally a good judge of this sort of thing but I was thinking with the wrong head that evening. In the past I have always had good experiences here. I guess something has changed.
Under normal circumstances I would agree with you, but not one girl smiled while standing their in the lobby. Honestly, they all looked like they wanted to die. 2 other punters came in while I was sitting and one commented on the same and left but the other Japanese guy took a lady the same as me. I should have went back to SW and took a different lady. I'm normally a good judge of this sort of thing but I was thinking with the wrong head that evening. In the past I have always had good experiences here. I guess something has changed.Friend had a very similar experience with the lineup at Addict a few days ago. Said some gals were even looking at their phones and others were leaning against the wall. Blame the mamasan. Guess they all think they are princesses. What would really help would be standardizing the service. If you want to work here, this is what you will need to be able to do and this is how we treat the customers. Honestly the attitudes at the PSE places tend to be so much better for the most part.
Friend had a very similar experience with the lineup at Addict a few days ago. Said some gals were even looking at their phones and others were leaning against the wall. Blame the mamasan. Guess they all think they are princesses. What would really help would be standardizing the service. If you want to work here, this is what you will need to be able to do and this is how we treat the customers. Honestly the attitudes at the PSE places tend to be so much better for the most part.I think some of those PSE places are owned and run by former P4P ladies. Perhaps they even get their friends to work in there, and they share their profits with each other.
It's not so much about training the ladies, as it is about giving them a good incentive to do their best.
No amount of training will help, if the boss hogs most of the money doesn't leave much of if for workers. This is probably the reason why the ladies at Addict massage don't look so happy now, and they don't seem to care about their work.
I don't know if they have labor strikes at massage parlors in Thailand, but it sounds like the ladies at Addict Massage might want to have one there.
Hi all,
It seems a lot of people on this forum are fans of Amsterdam, but everytime I've gone there, I never see more than a handful of girls. None of which are lookers. I've gone in the afternoon and at night, and it seems to make no difference. It's like a ghost town. I've always found a lot more hotties at Nataree, and even places like Colonze 2. Am I missing something? What's the best time to go to Amsterdam?
Thanks!
SimpleGuy85
03-07-16, 12:27
Dear members,
Hope everyone is doing well.
I am going to be placed in Bangkok for 3 days starting today. I will be put up near Ratchaprarop road near Ratchathewi. I am looking for FS massage parlors in the area with a good fish bowl. I implore the seniors to kindly guide me through private messages. I want to know which MPs are good, which ladies to choose and what's the decent rate to offer as I would not want to offer to low and disrespect their service or pay more and disturb the market rates. Any guidance would be much appreciated and reciprocated if anyone wishes to know about mongering in Delhi or Mumbai.
Regards.
Ralph Kramden
03-07-16, 13:45
Hi all,
It seems a lot of people on this forum are fans of Amsterdam, but everytime I've gone there, I never see more than a handful of girls. None of which are lookers. I've gone in the afternoon and at night, and it seems to make no difference. It's like a ghost town. I've always found a lot more hotties at Nataree, and even places like Colonze 2. Am I missing something? What's the best time to go to Amsterdam?
Thanks!I stopped a couple of times in December and found the same thing. Two years ago it seemed like a pretty good place with BBBJ in the tub the norm. A little on the expensive side but I thought worth it. It seems like it has gone downhill fast. Lots of fake tits when I visited too.
I think some of those PSE places are owned and run by former P4P ladies. Perhaps they even get their friends to work in there . . .
Quite a few can be traced back to Tulip. And although this may be diminishing as time marches on, the girls who came from Tulip trained the girls at the new shops in how to provide "Tulip service," which at Tulip involved fairly extensive training and service that couldn't be beat..
Report from last month. Went in search of Akane for the ball massage. Entered the 33/1 instead of 33 and was cursing myself for the mistake. The heat was oppressive. Finally located and entered the shop. Was greeted given a warm welcome by all the girls. I was mighty pleased with the attention. Was shown the menu and told no FS. Was not there for that so was not disappointed. Chose the 1480 pack. And picked Seri. My things were placed in a locker and up we went. Fantastic massage followed by B2B / rimming sliding and BJ. Very nice experience. Had a nice joint scrub down before and after. Was escorted down, things were brought from locker. I paid and tipped her. She was hugging me throughout and finally bid farewell. While going out too the entire girls stood up and said good bye. Wow very good customer relation. Repeated Seri again next day. Same routine and she wanted me back in November for her birthday!!thanks for reading my report.
Hi all,
It seems a lot of people on this forum are fans of Amsterdam, but everytime I've gone there, I never see more than a handful of girls. None of which are lookers. I've gone in the afternoon and at night, and it seems to make no difference. It's like a ghost town. I've always found a lot more hotties at Nataree, and even places like Colonze 2. Am I missing something? What's the best time to go to Amsterdam?
Thanks!No where has the numbers of girls to compete with Nataree. Many places are in decline.
For Amsterdam 6. 30 PM usually has a fair few girls. Often no lookers available. You have to be very patient and wait for one of the better girls to come out. The good ones don't sit for long.
Most of the time I can't be bothered to go there now I don't have a favorite there any longer.
I think some of those PSE places are owned and run by former P4P ladies. Perhaps they even get their friends to work in there, and they share their profits with each other.
It's not so much about training the ladies, as it is about giving them a good incentive to do their best.
No amount of training will help, if the boss hogs most of the money doesn't leave much of if for workers. This is probably the reason why the ladies at Addict massage don't look so happy now, and they don't seem to care about their work.
I don't know if they have labor strikes at massage parlors in Thailand, but it sounds like the ladies at Addict Massage might want to have one there.Actually Dan, the lazy ones don't do well and then get angry with gals like Sandy who book 4 to 5 guys a day because she gives good service. The ones at Addict that do give good service are busy all the time and from what Sandy says the busy girls tell the slackers what they need to do to get repeat customers, but to no avail. A busy girl can make well in excess of 5 k baht a day. Some probably close to 10. If that ain't motivation enough, then they are in the wrong profession.
Quite a few can be traced back to Tulip. And although this may be diminishing as time marches on, the girls who came from Tulip trained the girls at the new shops in how to provide "Tulip service," which at Tulip involved fairly extensive training and service that couldn't be beat..Spot on and Tulip and Bongkot (also a Saeng business) always provide superior service. Had a sesh with Golf last week. Man she is skilled. A little big on the bottom, but her BJ, rimming, and FS skills are just tops. She has been working about 8 years and is still going strong; in fact I would say she is better than ever.
Glad you enjoyed your time, Java. I sprung for an overnight with her and she was adept with all forms of penetration. CIM during our shower and then later A+ with nary a whimper. I also enjoyed the massage which doubled as recovery time.
Have been here a week, and I was looking for A+. Based on this recommendation, I visited Ja at Bamboo yesterday evening. On Bamboo website, she's all dolled up. In person not at all. She's a brunette now too. On initial presentation I was a little disappointed, but opted for the 90 min oily. (Glad I did.) She gave a decent massage, which led to some teasing, flip and good BBBJ. Covered and mounted me via the back door. She tight! Eventually switched to doggy. Wow! What a view. I finished in that position. She took it like a champ, seemed to like it too. Solid performer. Thumbs up.
I've been a repeat visitor to the Chitlom branch, and always leave drained and satisfied. The four hand VIP has been very very good to me.
Have been here a week, and I was looking for A+. Based on this recommendation, I visited Ja at Bamboo yesterday evening. On Bamboo website, she's all dolled up. In person not at all. She's a brunette now too. On initial presentation I was a little disappointed, but opted for the 90 min oily. (Glad I did.) She gave a decent massage, which led to some teasing, flip and good BBBJ. Covered and mounted me via the back door. She tight! Eventually switched to doggy. Wow! What a view. I finished in that position. She took it like a champ, seemed to like it too. Solid performer. Thumbs up.
Report from last month. Went in search of Akane for the ball massage. Entered the 33/1 instead of 33 and was cursing myself for the mistake. The heat was oppressive. Finally located and entered the shop. Was greeted given a warm welcome by all the girls. I was mighty pleased with the attention. Was shown the menu and told no FS. Was not there for that so was not disappointed. Chose the 1480 pack. And picked Seri. My things were placed in a locker and up we went. Fantastic massage followed by B2B / rimming sliding and BJ. Very nice experience. Had a nice joint scrub down before and after. Was escorted down, things were brought from locker. I paid and tipped her. She was hugging me throughout and finally bid farewell. While going out too the entire girls stood up and said good bye. Wow very good customer relation. Repeated Seri again next day. Same routine and she wanted me back in November for her birthday!!thanks for reading my report.
Member #4591
03-10-16, 05:35
Hi all,
It seems a lot of people on this forum are fans of Amsterdam, but everytime I've gone there, I never see more than a handful of girls. None of which are lookers. I've gone in the afternoon and at night, and it seems to make no difference. It's like a ghost town. I've always found a lot more hotties at Nataree, and even places like Colonze 2. Am I missing something? What's the best time to go to Amsterdam?
Thanks!This place is steady, where Nateree has its quiet times and insanely busy times. If you like white skinned ladies from Chiangmai, then this is the place. I had the pleasure of one lady at age 27 with a rock solid body, no kids, and amazing tits. She rode me like it was her last time. I always see about 5-10 customers in there.
This place is steady, where Nateree has its quiet times and insanely busy times. If you like white skinned ladies from Chiangmai, then this is the place. I had the pleasure of one lady at age 27 with a rock solid body, no kids, and amazing tits. She rode me like it was her last time. I always see about 5-10 customers in there.Several stunners there. Rooms are old but spacious. No flat screen TV just the old CTR. I do like the fact that you can sit up front instead of looking at a fish bowl. Also when you leave, you'll come out in the parking lot which means no walk of shame and taxis are waiting out there.
No where has the numbers of girls to compete with Nataree. Yeap, I counted over 70 girls available on Friday, Mar 4 in the early evening between sess. Perhaps at least another 25 upstairs with customers.
Sidelines are 2500-3200 range and the so called models are asking 5000. The fishbowl girls are 2000. The two I went with in the course.
The evening were satisfactory despite being somewhat predictable.
Asian Rain
03-12-16, 19:39
Gave this place Miss BJ on Soi 22 a try this evening. Asked the receptionist for Dee. Not there, and no clue when she would ever be back. Either she has moved on or she is a freelancer whose movements cannot be telegraphed. Receptionist offered a 29 yo which looked good in the book, but I could see the pics were photoshopped pics so didn't bother. None of the other stock looked appealing, so I moved on. If you are going to this shop with the purpose of meeting this porn starlet Dee, better check out the website and dial ahead. There are other places right around the corner like BKK48, so there are some backup options nearby. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
I agree it seems to be new. I asked for the VIP room, which was on the menu, and they said it was being worked on. I also asked for the costumes, which were also on the menu, and they said they didn't have them yet.
When I went there, the line-up was not so good. But thankfully there was Dee, so obviously I picked her, after reading the recommendation. I took the full service package with Nuru (2500 Baht). Actually it is also a BJ place, as this is one of the cheaper options on the menu. But if I had Dee sucking my cock, I would want to put a condom on and bang the shit out of her. Which I did.
She gave me the choice between a small room with inside shower, or a larger room with shower in the corridor on a higher floor. I chose the latter. It had a decoration of Mount Fuji. I think girls like this room. Makes them feel special, with the fake grass mat on the floor.
The description of Dee above could not be more spot on. She is just very sexy. For example, when I signaled I wanted to bang her doggy style, she took my hand, we lifted from the bed, she stood with her hands against the wall, and begged me to fuck her from behind standing. Now that's real class!
All in all: I would repeat Dee for sure, but they don't have the depth of Addict in terms of roster, and they are a bit far from the BTS, so that's a bit of a downer. Overall though an excellent discovery and a welcome change from the routine.
Gannaton48
03-13-16, 14:18
Yeap, I counted over 70 girls available on Friday, Mar 4 in the early evening between sess. Perhaps at least another 25 upstairs with customers.
Sidelines are 2500-3200 range and the so called models are asking 5000. The fishbowl girls are 2000. The two I went with in the course.
The evening were satisfactory despite being somewhat predictable.As to the debate about getting BBBJ at Nataree, did you get it? If so did you have to negociate or was it offered spontaneously?
Asian Rain
03-13-16, 18:20
Here is another heads up for punters looking for a tight pussy. All of 19 years and yes fresh off the farm too. Enjoy at Candy Massage, soi 24/1.Good recommendation from AL. Her name is Emmy on the website. Definitely a freshie. When I asked for her, the receptionist said "she so young girl". Although she looks kinda glum on the website photos, she had a sweet shy smile in person. Nice tight body with A-cup tits and nothing modified. If she had braces, it would be a similar looking package to Anne over at L0 litas. She had the rudimentary skills for BJ / FJ, not much else was happening. No action in the shower. No DFK. No deep throat. No A+. Surely not for the PSE-seekers until she gets the hang of these skills (if she ever does). But her love box was mighty fresh and super snug. And she hasn't learned to make the fake moans (or worse Japanese porn screams) that some of her counterparts do, so her little whimpers add a nice touch to the GFE. Worth a try for the guys who like the softer side of things. I sampled a couple weeks ago, but saw her sitting in the reception area a couple days ago. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
It really always depends on the girl. Some give it, some don't. Depends on your personal chemistry. If you are a regular customer (of that girl), then usually they will comply. But again, it varies girl to girl.
As to the debate about getting BBBJ at Nataree, did you get it? If so did you have to negociate or was it offered spontaneously?
Eric Swiss
03-17-16, 12:55
Gave this place Miss BJ on Soi 22 a try this evening. Asked the receptionist for Dee. Not there, and no clue when she would ever be back. Either she has moved on or she is a freelancer whose movements cannot be telegraphed. Receptionist offered a 29 yo which looked good in the book, but I could see the pics were photoshopped pics so didn't bother. None of the other stock looked appealing, so I moved on. If you are going to this shop with the purpose of meeting this porn starlet Dee, better check out the website and dial ahead. There are other places right around the corner like BKK48, so there are some backup options nearby. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.Yeah, girls that good and that new in the business do not always last very long. They can realize this is not for them and they prefer to be a receptionist making a tenth of the money, or they can be spirited away by a high roller to be his little wife with a nice flat and some handbags.
Several stunners there. Rooms are old but spacious. No flat screen TV just the old CTR. I do like the fact that you can sit up front instead of looking at a fish bowl. Also when you leave, you'll come out in the parking lot which means no walk of shame and taxis are waiting out there.No shame for me. I always exit through the lounge to check for any stunners come out. I could make a note of them for future booking. Wise not to be in a big rush to leave. Never miss opportunity to find the best stunners.
No shame for me. I always exit through the lounge to check for any stunners come out. I could make a note of them for future booking. Wise not to be in a big rush to leave. Never miss opportunity to find the best stunners.555 Neither am I, just a great spot to catch a taxi after the MRT has shutdown.
Asked this before but didn't get much response. Maybe now some can recommend places:
I know all the oilies, soapies, teen and fashion massages. What I fancy are mom and pop massage shops where you get FS (or at least 69) from (apparently) amateur housewives. Ie. Small ordinary mom and pop Thai massage places with 30-40 yo ladies that offer a bit more than a HJ (and pro-actively initiate it); none of the 1,500 THB-places but rather a 300 THB-place trying to upsell.
Any recommendations? (Please no discussion about a) why anyone would like this, or b) whether they are really amateurs or already professionals. Sometimes it's just about the individual fantasies one has.).
Thanks a lot!
Hi,
I am in BKK for 2 nights with my wife near Soi 28. Both of us are planning to go for Thai massage. But here is the twist in the tale. While my wife gets a regular massage, I would like to go.
For a massage with boom-boom (without my wife knowing about it. Obviously! Could someone tell me if it is possible at all? If yes. Where? Awaiting for quick replies since we are flying to.
Phuket on Sunday.
Hi,
I am in BKK for 2 nights with my wife near Soi 28. Both of us are planning to go for Thai massage. But here is the twist in the tale. While my wife gets a regular massage, I would like to go.
For a massage with boom-boom (without my wife knowing about it. Obviously! Could someone tell me if it is possible at all? If yes. Where? Awaiting for quick replies since we are flying to.
Phuket on Sunday.Warning Will Robinson! Warning! I would not suggest you attempt such a situation with your wife accompanying you on this trip. The chances of a slip up by you (e. g. Her noticing something not right, perfume smell, a gossipy acquaintance, hotel employee, or her masseuse) can get you in a lot of hot water in a millisecond. Unless you are sitting next to her while you get your massage, any woman would not trust their spouse getting a separate massage. If you go ahead, before you leave plan so that upon your return your divorce lawyer is prepared.
Some American
03-19-16, 10:27
In the last few days I had two great sessions at Akane on Soi 33. One was the session where the second girl joins for the last 30 minutes, the other was a two girl session, most of which was done on an air mattress in the shower, Nuru style. Both sessions featured a nice amount of deep rimming, one of the greatest feelings there is. It's strange that they'll rim but most won't CIM.
Asked this before but didn't get much response. Maybe now some can recommend places:
I know all the oilies, soapies, teen and fashion massages. What I fancy are mom and pop massage shops where you get FS (or at least 69) from (apparently) amateur housewives. Ie. Small ordinary mom and pop Thai massage places with 30-40 yo ladies that offer a bit more than a HJ (and pro-actively initiate it); none of the 1,500 THB-places but rather a 300 THB-place trying to upsell.
Any recommendations? (Please no discussion about a) why anyone would like this, or b) whether they are really amateurs or already professionals. Sometimes it's just about the individual fantasies one has.).
Thanks a lot!I don't think anybody here knows about 300 THB places. This isn't enough money even when Thais do it with Thais.
Perhaps you can find some ladies on the street in Pattaya for 500 THB. But for organized establishments in an expensive city like Bangkok, even 500 THB is not realistic. About 1500 THB is the cheapest you can expect. And a lot of places charge a lot more than this.
Christian G
03-19-16, 17:14
I don't think anybody here knows about 300 THB places. This isn't enough money even when Thais do it with Thais.I think JaoChoo was referring about some small massage shop with a 300 baht /1 HR oil massage where you can negotiate some extra with the girls. Like 300 + 500/700 or 1000 for BBBJ or FS.
I think JaoChoo was referring about some small massage shop with a 300 baht /1 HR oil massage where you can negotiate some extra with the girls. Like 300 + 500/700 or 1000 for BBBJ or FS.Exactly. I was talking about "a 300 THB-place trying to upsell": 300+500 for a HJ, 300+700-1,000 for 69/ BBBJ, 300+1,200-1,500 for FS.
Crocodilexp
03-19-16, 23:11
I don't think anybody here knows about 300 THB places. This isn't enough money even when Thais do it with Thais.You're right, not many people would be able to point to a proper massage parlor with 300 (all-in) happy endings. Once you have a proper business, it takes rent, utilities, bribes and such to keep it running. More importantly, they will rarely offer rock bottom prices to anyone if market would support higher.
However, there is still full sex for sale in Thailand for not much more than 300 baht, even now in 2016. A few brothels (mostly targeting migrant workers) at the outskirts of Bangkok have one-shot quickie prices starting from 350 baht all-in (note: only half for the worker, half for the house), though most girls are in the 450/550/650 category.
Freelancers at bottom-end spots like Khok Wua or Wong Wian 22 can also go as low as 200-300 baht (for an oldie or hobo) plus ST hotel, though decent lookers even in bottom end places ask 500-600 these days. Obviously, not Farang-friendly, no English, not clean and poor service, but for sometimes it's fun to browse around those types of places.
Jimmy Boy 99
03-19-16, 23:28
I think JaoChoo was referring about some small massage shop with a 300 baht /1 HR oil massage where you can negotiate some extra with the girls. Like 300 + 500/700 or 1000 for BBBJ or FS.On Sukhumvit 1 Alley (the street that leads to Bumrungrad Int'l Hospital) across Sukhumvit Road from the JW Marriott, I went several times to the first massage place on the right (in a little courtyard). It is a regular massage place but once I was offered full service but did not accept because her price was too high and I was more interested in a massage rather than sex. You might try there.
Exactly. I was talking about "a 300 THB-place trying to upsell": 300+500 for a HJ, 300+700-1,000 for 69/ BBBJ, 300+1,200-1,500 for FS.I've gone through times when I wanted to "just see what happens". The places on soi 8 are good for starting out. Years ago, the place that is a spanish tapas bar (alas, tapas not topless) was a massage parlor --before it was some awful furniture place -- and I had mixed results there, including two memorable BBBJs. I wrote up a report about 'talent spotting' (or some such pretentious BS) about a foot joy place. What I was up to at the time was getting a foot massage early in the day and making an appointment for the evening if I spotted some lady with potential. (Make the evening appointment early enough to have a later back up!) I can't seem to string together enough days in Bangkok any more to indulge this trial and error approach, but you might try it.
For really sure-thing MPs that are legitimate -- contradiction in terms, I think. But good luck!
Eric Swiss
03-22-16, 04:43
Decent line-up at Addict of about a dozen girls. First girl on the left was the one I banged last time, Amy, so I winked at her once but turned around to scan all the others. I found one I hadn't banged before who looked pretty cute. Short, skinny, with hair dyed a little bit dark red at the back, like some kind of Japanese anime.
Turned out her name was Hari. I picked the Jacuzzi one hour option with Nuru gel for 3000 Baht. We went upstairs. She is from Isaan (surprise! Not much English.
She undressed me in a very subservient way. The man has to do nothing. She was pretty efficient all around, because 1 hour for the Jacuzzi is sometimes a bit tight. But there was plenty of time for sex. Even some massage afterwards.
The jacuzzi was pretty sensual. Then she dried me up. I lay on my back on the mattress, but she instructed me to turn, so I did. She gave me sort of a back massage. Best part is when she stuck her greased-up nipple in my A-hole. No girl has ever done that before. She was not very adventurous around this sensitive area with her mouth and finger, but with her nipple she was! Go figure. She has nice fake tits, and her nipples were erect, so it was a good feeling, what with the nuru gel dripping everywhere.
She turned me, HJ, BJ, condom. She does a nice Asian cowgirl and Asian reverse cowgirl. I banged her in quite a few different positions. To finish, I asked her for CIM. She said yes, but at the last moment she dodged, so sorry girl, no tip for you! She looked disappointed, because perhaps I have a reputation as a good tipper, but I've got to lay down the law every once in a while.
A solid performer overall. Typical Addict. A nice bang that makes you feel refreshed and happy with life in general. Would I repeat? Probably not. Recommend? Probably yes. She had a weird tattoo on her tummy, but her tummy itself was firm. Also braces, I'm signalling for those who care. Apart from that, a well-trained hot little spinner desirous to earn her money the honest way.
Asked this before but didn't get much response. Maybe now some can recommend places:
I know all the oilies, soapies, teen and fashion massages. What I fancy are mom and pop massage shops where you get FS (or at least 69) from (apparently) amateur housewives. Ie. Small ordinary mom and pop Thai massage places with 30-40 yo ladies that offer a bit more than a HJ (and pro-actively initiate it); none of the 1,500 THB-places but rather a 300 THB-place trying to upsell.
Any recommendations? (Please no discussion about a) why anyone would like this, or b) whether they are really amateurs or already professionals. Sometimes it's just about the individual fantasies one has.).
Thanks a lot!I thought that most small massage places had extras available. I live in Nonthaburi and there are several in my neighborhood just like your description. 300-400 for the massage, and the rest is negotiable. But the prices at worst are 500 HJ, 1000 BBBJ CIM, 1500 full service. Here and there I negotiate cheaper and get multiple pops out of session. But there is really no standard service at these places. So it's what you make of it, and doing some legwork. I even have a place 2 feet outside of Moo Baan that has girls in their young 20's that are pretty good lookers, but it's a little to close to home for me. I think that every hood in Thailand has some of the same options. If your interested, there is a street with about 20 MP's close to Muang Thing Thani. It's filled with girls in their 20's to 40's. I've reviewed and detailed the area in the "other areas" forum section.
As to the debate about getting BBBJ at Nataree, did you get it? If so did you have to negociate or was it offered spontaneously?I don't specifically remember. My normal "negotiation" with WG is more along the lines of can you take "big-long". About half say no. Once that's known, understood, I'm not expecting to CIM unless they reneg on handling big-long once things are underway. At that point, most will do what ever it takes to bring Mr Happy to conclusion.
Hi,
Team.
Looking for a MP / soapy with all the services.
Actually pointing for a parlour near to airport as on a tight schedule going to Bombay bt came to know nothing near airport so please suggest where I can go. I don't want to experiment as my trips are not very frequent.
Would be great help if any one can suggest a 100% satisfaction place.
I'm staying in rayong, tried to find places here bt things seems dry here not many options.
I'm going back to India on 25th. Have a evening flight and running tight on schedule so want a quickie.
Shall help out surely in India.
Thanks.
Hello fellow mongers.
My plan is to meet with these ladies from Mango:
Prae.
Fran.
Kim.
Ae.
Please let me know what you think about my priorities?
/ Kirsia.
Hello fellow mongers.
My plan is to meet with these ladies from Mango:
Prae.
Fran.
Kim.
Ae.
Please let me know what you think about my priorities?
/ Kirsia.Keep your options open and don't be too disappointed if they are not there. Girls move a lot. I was in Mango in September last year and it was a sorry state of affairs lookswise but I do need to mention that 2 of my best sessions ever were in Mango with Mud and Wan.
I've been wanting Bonus at SW for years and never seen her there. Maybe she doesn't really exist or looks completely different.
MichaelSamuel
03-25-16, 03:45
Had a good tie with Prae and there is a review from 2014 I posted. I would consider repeating, and she is easy to pick out of the lineup as she has a medium sized tattoo on her breast.
Keep your options open and don't be too disappointed if they are not there. Girls move a lot. I was in Mango in September last year and it was a sorry state of affairs lookswise but I do need to mention that 2 of my best sessions ever were in Mango with Mud and Wan.
I've been wanting Bonus at SW for years and never seen her there. Maybe she doesn't really exist or looks completely different.
After reading about Akane many times, I finally made it there yesterday. The one on soi 33. I have to say I am pretty disappointed. The place looks run down and rooms are tiny. The service was ok, nothing special. The girl spent more time washing me than massaging me. And her massage was terrible! And then the CBJ. Am I missing something here?! The girl's name is Satomi.
One night in BKK for a transit, I checked out a few parlors on Ratchada, and always still end up in Nataree. My last visit was a few months back, and the lineup looks different again, even the top 4-5 k girls all new, did not recognize anyone.
There were a few doable ones in 2. 6 k, also learned there is a now 3. 3 k class, but my familiar papasan knows my weakness for these young and fresh, and tried to push one 5 k to me, face was beautiful, I think from Tachileik, but she was a little meaty for my taste, and told me to wait said there is another new one just arrived for 2 days, he went to front desk to check something and told me to wait 15 min.
About half an hour later, this young slender thing came in from the backside, and papa grabbed her and showed to me, papa kept telling me her skin so clean, nipples and pussy so pink, he said he seen them, kept saying in Thai"Hee Suai"(beautiful pussy) trying to seduce me, 5 k is quite steep, I knew this kind of girl is just straight boom boom without any extra, time after time I knew all these, but still fall in the trap time after time, it was a little struggle inside I wanted someone cute with at least some degree of service, but papasan now saying "hee aroi, you can eat pussy her, very aroi", I took her.
It was all smile until got inside the room, she ordered a drink without asking me, bad start. In the tub did not even try to wash me, just kind of splash water on me, into the bed, okay, I admit the body was great, as papasan said pink everywhere, but papasan's hee aroi did not fulfill, she did not let me, only place I can lick is the tits, I did not even try to ask for a BJ, so the rest of the session was pretty awkward, just could not get the feel, just looking at a young fresh body may be not enough for me anymore at this stage of my life.
I could not even get up as time goes on, but she did try a little bit to help me including a HJ, and offered a doggy, but did not work.
I complained to papasan later about paying 5 k premium and did not even get to taste the hee aroi as he promised me, he just said sorry sorry maybe she wanni arom mai dee (today in bad mood). I felt so uncombusted, and head straight to Phrom Pong station, walked around a few places, picked a lady at Paradise joint, got an 2 k oily with a mediocre looking lady with some stretch marks, but did everything I requested to satisfaction. These Nataree 5 k ones are only good imagining material, store it in the head, and use it in the oily joint when you need. Nataree 4,5 k ones are mostly miss, I still have not score a hit in this category for all these years. Try to stick with the 2. 3 k, 2. 6 k or 2 k mat play next time.
One night in BKK for a transit, I checked out a few parlors on Ratchada, and always still end up in Nataree. My last visit was a few months back, and the lineup looks different again, even the top 4-5 k girls all new, did not recognize anyone.
There were a few doable ones in 2. 6 k, also learned there is a now 3. 3 k class, but my familiar papasan knows my weakness for these young and fresh, and tried to push one 5 k to me, face was beautiful, I think from Tachileik, but she was a little meaty for my taste, and told me to wait said there is another new one just arrived for 2 days, he went to front desk to check something and told me to wait 15 min.
About half an hour later, this young slender thing came in from the backside, and papa grabbed her and showed to me, papa kept telling me her skin so clean, nipples and pussy so pink, he said he seen them, kept saying in Thai"Hee Suai"(beautiful pussy) trying to seduce me, 5 k is quite steep, I knew this kind of girl is just straight boom boom without any extra, time after time I knew all these, but still fall in the trap time after time, it was a little struggle inside I wanted someone cute with at least some degree of service, but papasan now saying "hee aroi, you can eat pussy her, very aroi", I took her.
It was all smile until got inside the room, she ordered a drink without asking me, bad start. In the tub did not even try to wash me, just kind of splash water on me, into the bed, okay, I admit the body was great, as papasan said pink everywhere, but papasan's hee aroi did not fulfill, she did not let me, only place I can lick is the tits, I did not even try to ask for a BJ, so the rest of the session was pretty awkward, just could not get the feel, just looking at a young fresh body may be not enough for me anymore at this stage of my life.
I could not even get up as time goes on, but she did try a little bit to help me including a HJ, and offered a doggy, but did not work.
I complained to papasan later about paying 5 k premium and did not even get to taste the hee aroi as he promised me, he just said sorry sorry maybe she wanni arom mai dee (today in bad mood). I felt so uncombusted, and head straight to Phrom Pong station, walked around a few places, picked a lady at Paradise joint, got an 2 k oily with a mediocre looking lady with some stretch marks, but did everything I requested to satisfaction. These Nataree 5 k ones are only good imagining material, store it in the head, and use it in the oily joint when you need. Nataree 4,5 k ones are mostly miss, I still have not score a hit in this category for all these years. Try to stick with the 2. 3 k, 2. 6 k or 2 k mat play next time.If ever a case can be made for a timely and appropriate funeral eulogy for the P4 P industry of Thailand, these horror stories about the kind of astonishingly abysmal "value for money" one gets at some of the otherwise all too often highly touted Ratchada soapies would be it. I have no idea what guys are thinking to waste so much time, money, emotion and energy encouraging such worthless service with their hard earned money. Seems like the spectacularly self-defeating and counterproductive aspect of it has well and surely dawned on you too. Thanks for the detailed and honest report.
If ever a case can be made for a timely and appropriate funeral eulogy for the P4 P industry of Thailand, these horror stories about the kind of astonishingly abysmal "value for money" one gets at some of the otherwise all too often highly touted Ratchada soapies would be it. I have no idea what guys are thinking to waste so much time, money, emotion and energy encouraging such worthless service with their hard earned money. Seems like the spectacularly self-defeating and counterproductive aspect of it has well and surely dawned on you too. Thanks for the detailed and honest report.Agreed. It just keeps getting worse and worse. By the time the authorities really crack down on the BKK scene, it will be so bad that none of us will care.
Agreed. It just keeps getting worse and worse. By the time the authorities really crack down on the BKK scene, it will be so bad that none of us will care.The girls sitting on their butts watching dudes pay upwards of 5,000+ baht for them doing nothing will spread their stories of glory throughout the venue, take them into the streets, eventually they'll find their way into other massage shops, then go-go bars, beer bars, hell, maybe even into the blowjob bars and out onto the sidewalks of Sukhumvit and Soi 4. That such a thing even exists somewhere, anywhere, not only poisons the well of the establishment that supports it but has a very good shot at poisoning the well of the entire country! In many ways it has already.
Next stop; Customers get to stand in a room alone and whack themselves in the head with a wooden mallet before falling limp and face first onto an under stuffed mattress. 1,500 baht to be left laying there for 1 hour, 2,000 baht for 90 minutes before being picked up and tossed out the door like a rag doll.
Member #4698
03-25-16, 09:39
Day 20: March 14 "Nn" at Nataree - 4000 bt great session.
Decided on doing something different so I went to Nataree for young Chiang Mai pussy tonight. I left my cell phone in my hotel. I didn't want to see any messages from "P" who I knew would be texting and asking me to come see her tonight. I love "P" and her young body, but I also need some variety too.
I arrived at Natarree via the MRT around 7 pm. A few girls inside the entrance smiled at me and seemed to want me to pick them right off the bat. The total lineup seemed a little small this night. I have seen Nataree loaded to the gills with girls. Tonight there were still plenty of girls to choose from, but maybe 75% what I have seen at other times. I began walking down the line of girls on the right side of the room. Around halfway down the line a papasan joined me and stared quoting me prices of the girls as we passed them We ended up at the far end of the room where the 4,000 & 5000 bt girls are. These are the most expensive girls in the place and their selling point is they are the youngest girls in the massage joint. Sometimes that is a good thing and other times that is not so good when the girl is inexperienced and her performance does not measure up. There were 4 girls in this section. Three 5000 bt and one very cute 4000 bt girl. The papasan said the 4000 bt girl was 19. She smiled at me and I liked her cute short hair and nice body. She seemed to have very large breasts for such a young thai girl so I asked papasan if she was natural. He said she was. But I wanted to see girls more before I made a final decision so we continued to walk around the place. In the end it was between one of the girls who smiled at me in the foyer or the 19 year old. I decided to take a chance with the 19 year old so we went back to her and Papasan called her over.
"Nn" and I exchanged grettings and then she led me to the payment desk where I put the 4000 bt on the credit card. I made small conversation with "Nn" to make her feel comfortable and we got into the elevator. "Nn" pressed all the buttons to all the floors. As the elevator stopped at each floor she asked the attendants if there were any available rooms. 2nd floor no. 3rd floor no. 4th floor yes, so we got off here. The room was fine. Typical Nataree. Clean and larger than a soi 24 massage parlour room, but nowhere near as opulent as the Lord or as classy as La Belle. But I don't come her for classy. I come here for young northern Thai girls. That is what is on the menu at Nataree.
In the loom I ordered a coke and a coconut juice for "Nn". She began to run the tub and asked me to take my off my clothes. I left some baht on the dresser to pay for the drinks when they came. "Nn" then began to massage me and play with my dick as I kissed her cheeks and her white exposed cleavage. Drinks came and I wrapped a towel around my body to get up and pay the girl. I gave her a small tip. Then I returned to the bed where "Nn" began to undress. Then she came to me. Her breasts were large and soft, yet firm as only a 19 year old's breasts can be. I enjoyed playing with them as "Nn" continued to give me a HJ. Then I reversed things and placed "Nn" on her back and began kissing her breasts and worked my way down to her pretty little pussy. I took a good look and decided to go down on her. I gave her my usual slow start cunnilingus. Soon she was very wet and her pussy opened up like a flower. I got between her legs and began rubbing my dick length wise between her pussy lips. She motioned towards the condom, but I wasn't ready yet for sex, I pointed towards the tub which was now filled and we got up and went over there.
"Nn" massaged me and washed me all over. She massaged her boobs on my dick and I turned around and she massaged my back with her ta ta's too. Then she softly rubbed my anal area with her soapy hand. We rinsed off and then dried off and got on the bed. We kissed and "Nn" began licking my nipples while I played with her breasts again. She worked her way down to my dick and yes guys, she went to put my sagami 001 on before initiating a BJ. BUT I asked her not to put the condom on and told her I WAS CLEAN. She hesitated a little bit, but then gave in and blew me bareback. I began massaging her clit and pussy and then her anal rim a little as things heated up. She moved perpendicular to me so I had easier access to her vagina. After awhile I asked her to straddle my head and we went into a prolonged 69 during which she became more into blowing me and I became more aroused into eating her out. I even placed my tongue on her anal hole and left it there. This went on for really long time.
"Nn" finally reached for the condom and looked at me for the ok. I nodded and she applied the sagami. Then she poured a little lubricant on my dick although none was needed on her pussy or my dick and then she got on top and impaled herself. Her cowgirl was quite enjoyable and I let her do her thing for quite a while, but then as I felt her tire, I sat up and we did it in sitting position for a short while until I placed her on her back and continued shagging her in Mish without leaving her pussy. I used several mish positions and moves and enjoyed every one of them. But after another 15 more minutes or so I had not achieved an orgasm and decided to pull out. I would have been happy to call it a session at this point, but little "Nn" with the large breasts was not ready to end things. As I lay on my back, she massaged my dick and poured some more lubricant on it. I palmed her breasts and squeezed them and played with her nipples. Sure enough this got me very hard again and "Nn" mounted me a 2nd time and this time she went all out. First in cowgirl and then in Asian cowgirl. I for my part continued to feel her up and really enjoyed her tities. This action continued for another 10 minutes or so. "Nn" was now panting quite hard and I listened to her breathing hard and watched her little body go up and down on my dick then sure enough I felt my orgasm building. I told "Nn" I was going to cum and she kept up her pace and really gave it to me. The girl was almost out of breath when I finally came and it was a deep and satisfying orgasm and made me feel real good. Afterwards "and collapsed on top of me and remained so until she got her breath back and I had shrunk down. Then she pulled out and checked her work. She was so happy to see the condom full with my juice. She gently removed the sagami and cleaned me off with tissue. Then we went to the shower area and she cleaned me up.
We got dressed and I asked "Nn" if I could take a picture or two. She said she was very sorry, but said she could not even though I asked her as sweetly as possible and assured her I would not put it on the internet. Oh well. This was the only disappointment of the session. I would have really liked a pictuer of her for future reference and valuation purposes further down the line. I think she was real cute, but I would really like to have a photo to examine 3 or 4 months from now to know for sure. But "Nn" was not into it for various reasons and I did not want to spoil the vibe by being too strong and insisting. So that was that. I still gave her a 400 bt tip because she was a great girl and a lot of fun. I definitely had a great session with her. Hand in hand we went to the elevator. A young and short Japanese customer with his girl entered the elevator with us. For some reason no one pushed a button to go down and we all just stood in the elevator for a minute or two untll somebody realized the mistake. Then we all burst out laughing. It was a funny warm moment. I held "Nn" back as the other couple left the elevator and told her I liked her and would come back to see her again. She hugged me and then we said goodbye.
Member #4698
03-25-16, 09:59
I usually do not post while I am on the road, but I will temporarily suspend my silence to add a few words about a visit I paid to Nataree a couple of weeks ago.
I know it is a long report, but I took it directly from my field notes that I wrote up the next morning so it is 100% accurate.
I decided to post now and not wait until after I return home, a month from now, because I cannot believe or let go unchallenged all the negative stuff I just read concerning Nataree and BKK in general. I just spent 3. 5 weeks in BKK. I am in presently in Jakarta. I had a great time in BKK this March. I met many new sexy girls and hooked up with some old friends too. I did not have one bad session. I repeat; NOT ONE BAD SESSION! I did girls in CH, Baccara, RB4 (or what ever it is called now), Boss, Mango, Nataree, La Belle, and the Lord. Not one bad session. Now they were not all like the one I just reported on below, but in truth, I have had better sessions than my Nataree session like the night I had a two Crazy House sisters menage a trois or my session with a Lord gal.
Anyway, I have had my say. I probably will not post more until I return home in late April. But LOS was great! The girls were phenomenal. Prices were high. Jakarta is great too. I have had a number of real notable sessions here too.
Bye!
The girls sitting on their butts watching dudes pay upwards of 5,000+ baht for them doing nothing will spread their stories of glory throughout the venue, take them into the streets, eventually they'll find their way into other massage shops, then go-go bars, beer bars, hell, maybe even into the blowjob bars and out onto the sidewalks of Sukhumvit and Soi 4. That such a thing even exists somewhere, anywhere, not only poisons the well of the establishment that supports it but has a very good shot at poisoning the well of the entire country! In many ways it has already.
Next stop; Customers get to stand in a room alone and whack themselves in the head with a wooden mallet before falling limp and face first onto an under stuffed mattress. 1,500 baht to be left laying there for 1 hour, 2,000 baht for 90 minutes before being picked up and tossed out the door like a rag doll.Could not agree with you more. It is amazing that guys are willing to shell out this kind of money for a quickie. What is a quickie worth? No more than 1 K total. Honestly, it is very difficult to find a looker that performs these days. I was convinced a long time ago that Thai gals are really not that sexual for the most part. Yes, I know, there are some, but for the most part most are just not the horndogs that you find in other countries. Yes, they are very "available" but I have met precious few who have really dirty minds and who love both the mental and physical aspects of sex. Natty mentions Indo. Very different experience there for me. I find the gals far more interesting and far "dirtier" that Thai chicks. But I could never live in Jakarta. Way to difficult a city.
I am currently in Bangkok for a few days. I visited Mango massage yesterday with 2 wingmen, around 5 pm. There were about 6 girls available. I ended picking last, and my wingmen seemed to have picked the best 2 among the lot. I was not in the mood to go somewhere else and decided to try my luck with a chick who had a nice smile. As she got up, I realized that she was GND in look, and carried some extra pounds around the waist.
Back in the room, she went through her normal routine, and after the first shot was completed, she proceeded to give me a massage. That's when I got my surprise. That girl was so erotic and so sensual, that for the next hour or so, we did not speak a word to each other, yet we were so much in synch. I have not had that experience in a long time.
The next day I returned, and being a variety man, I went to Addict and hoping I would not regret it. Addict had a big lineup of close to 20+ chicks. I picked first this time but I blew it. I picked a young chick, GND cute, slim body with nice curves. But back in the room, I found out that she was relatively new. She told me she was 22, had a baby, and has been on the job for 3 months. But as she undressed, I was pleased to admire her lovely body. And that was the extent of the fun.
Then she started wasting time in the shower, trying to get me off via HJ. She kept complaining about my size, hoping that I would opt for a HJ. Eventually, she settled down and proceeded to cap me and rode me RCG (reverse cow girl). After a while, she felt more comfortable, then I switched to mish. I have to say that I enjoyed hearing her make those funny noises, like in Japanese porn. After a while we switched to doggie, and I unloaded there. After that, she gave me a lackluster massage, as she spent half the time looking at herself in the mirror.
Did I regret not repeating with my Mango chick? Absolutely. But, I have not had a young pussy in a while, so I really enjoyed banging this hottie. I felt my money was well spent. I could not care less about the lousy massage, and her wasting time.
The girls sitting on their butts watching dudes pay upwards of 5,000+ baht for them doing nothing will spread their stories of glory throughout the venue, take them into the streets, eventually they'll find their way into other massage shops, then go-go bars, beer bars, hell, maybe even into the blowjob bars and out onto the sidewalks of Sukhumvit and Soi 4. That such a thing even exists somewhere, anywhere, not only poisons the well of the establishment that supports it but has a very good shot at poisoning the well of the entire country! In many ways it has already.
Next stop; Customers get to stand in a room alone and whack themselves in the head with a wooden mallet before falling limp and face first onto an under stuffed mattress. 1,500 baht to be left laying there for 1 hour, 2,000 baht for 90 minutes before being picked up and tossed out the door like a rag doll.I have to agree with you and Goat. I'm in Bangkok now after many years, my last visit being almost a decade ago. The quality has gone down and the prices have gone up without any difference in service. When I was here last FL short time was 1000 baht tops. Now the routine is 1500. The girls are butt ugly in all the places where free lancers hangout. Today the woman at a massage place wanted 2000 baht for a blowjob. A covered one at that!! How absurd. I don't think Bangkok is anymore the paradise it used to be. I think this will be my last visit in a while.
I have to agree with you and Goat. I'm in Bangkok now after many years, my last visit being almost a decade ago. The quality has gone down and the prices have gone up without any difference in service. When I was here last FL short time was 1000 baht tops. Now the routine is 1500. The girls are butt ugly in all the places where free lancers hangout. Today the woman at a massage place wanted 2000 baht for a blowjob. A covered one at that!! How absurd. I don't think Bangkok is anymore the paradise it used to be. I think this will be my last visit in a while.Just laying here with my computer on after a terrific boff with one of my non P4 P regular date girls. I did a quick mental review of the past 10 First Dates with regular, non P4 P girls I met on dating sites, at shopping malls or restaurants vs my past 10 P4 P experiences and realized something rather astonishing. All but one of my 10 most recent regular girl First Dates wound up with us in bed, me getting blown quite nicely or us engaged in REAL Girlfriend-Boyfriend intercourse to a fabulous finish. I'm talking about the evening of our first dinner date, my being out only the cost of her dinner and maybe a token 100-200 baht offer to help cover the cost of a taxi since the girls met me on my turf. At least two of them didn't even wait that long. We were in my room and going at it after just the first noon time coffee meeting. All of the girls would be considered fine scores by most guys I know, IMO.
By contrast, of the previous 10 P4 P experiences I've had in Bangkok, I called off 3 of them and kicked the girl out with nothing more than minimal taxi fare because the "Yes in the bar but No in the room" Jekyll & Hyde transformation was simply too severe and an obvious scam or the skill level was just so god awful clumsy I was not inspired to waste a precious ejaculation on it. Another couple of them were ok but not nearly worth the time and money I spent on them. The remaining 4-5 were fine, even memorable and I can't even remember how much I spent by the end of it nor do I really care.
So this is the kind of Alice Through the Looking Glass weirdness too many low demand/extremely easy to please customers have wrought in the culture. In most countries, a First Date is when there is no certainty that you will wind up with sex, satisfying or not, by the end of the evening and you're lucky if there are pubs or brothels in the area to visit after one of those nice guy First Dates where you can bank on a "sure thing" with a paid trollop to get your rocks off the way you want rather than go to bed with your hard cock in your hands. But NOW, at least in my case, we've got a Thailand where there is far more risk of winding up going wanting with the paid trollop than with the regular, non pro First Date girl! LOL.
I have to agree with you and Goat. I'm in Bangkok now after many years, my last visit being almost a decade ago. The quality has gone down and the prices have gone up without any difference in service. When I was here last FL short time was 1000 baht tops. Now the routine is 1500. The girls are butt ugly in all the places where free lancers hangout. Today the woman at a massage place wanted 2000 baht for a blowjob. A covered one at that!! How absurd. I don't think Bangkok is anymore the paradise it used to be. I think this will be my last visit in a while.Yep, it's pretty much everywhere. Even the quality of the japanese lover gals in Thermae has gone down considerably. I see Japanese dudes with gals I would not even think of taking these days and I know these guys are paying 2 k plus for ST with these mediocre at best chicks.
Just laying here with my computer on after a terrific boff with one of my non P4 P regular date girls. I did a quick mental review of the past 10 First Dates with regular, non P4 P girls I met on dating sites, at shopping malls or restaurants vs my past 10 P4 P experiences and realized something rather astonishing. All but one of my 10 most recent regular girl First Dates wound up with us in bed, me getting blown quite nicely or us engaged in REAL Girlfriend-Boyfriend intercourse to a fabulous finish. I'm talking about the evening of our first dinner date, my being out only the cost of her dinner and maybe a token 100-200 baht offer to help cover the cost of a taxi since the girls met me on my turf. At least two of them didn't even wait that long. We were in my room and going at it after just the first noon time coffee meeting. All of the girls would be considered fine scores by most guys I know, IMO.
By contrast, of the previous 10 P4 P experiences I've had in Bangkok, I called off 3 of them and kicked the girl out with nothing more than minimal taxi fare because the "Yes in the bar but No in the room" Jekyll & Hyde transformation was simply too severe and an obvious scam or the skill level was just so god awful clumsy I was not inspired to waste a precious ejaculation on it. Another couple of them were ok but not nearly worth the time and money I spent on them. The remaining 4-5 were fine, even memorable and I can't even remember how much I spent by the end of it nor do I really care.
So this is the kind of Alice Through the Looking Glass weirdness too many low demand/extremely easy to please customers have wrought in the culture. In most countries, a First Date is when there is no certainty that you will wind up with sex, satisfying or not, by the end of the evening and you're lucky if there are pubs or brothels in the area to visit after one of those nice guy First Dates where you can bank on a "sure thing" with a paid trollop to get your rocks off the way you want rather than go to bed with your hard cock in your hands. But NOW, at least in my case, we've got a Thailand where there is far more risk of winding up going wanting with the paid trollop than with the regular, non pro First Date girl! LOL.Sigh. Sadly I have a GF so the dating scene is really off limits to me. The main reason for moving here was you could have your cake and eat it to. Seems that is changing. Your P4P experiences mirror mine and that is why I don't take freelancers any more. Last few times I ended the session as you did. Just not up for wasting money on a poor experience. I guess there are just too many guys who let the gals get away with little to no performance. Shame really. When I moved here if a gal got a reputation as a non-performer or if she had a bad attitude then word would get around and guys would not take her. PSE oilies are about the only place I get great performance but the compromise in looks is getting to be a bit much for me.
I have to agree with you and Goat. I'm in Bangkok now after many years, my last visit being almost a decade ago. The quality has gone down and the prices have gone up without any difference in service. When I was here last FL short time was 1000 baht tops. Now the routine is 1500. The girls are butt ugly in all the places where free lancers hangout. Today the woman at a massage place wanted 2000 baht for a blowjob. A covered one at that!! How absurd. I don't think Bangkok is anymore the paradise it used to be. I think this will be my last visit in a while.I would like to voice my dissent here, encouraged by Natty's post. I first came to Thailand in 2004, after a long spell of mongering in Rio, Brazil. I enjoyed my visit to Bangkok so much that I stopped going to Rio, and started using the little vacation I had in the US gulag (for worker bees that is) for Thailand.
Since then, I have been coming to Thailand every year, sometimes multiple times per year. I am probably close to a grand total of 20 trips with an average duration of 10 days each.
I don't see the undesirable change that you folks talk about. For me, the women are as lovely now as when I first started coming here. Of course, there were changes but so what. There are changes everywhere all the time. Too many Chinese / Korean mongers? Well, I am trying to adapt to that environment as I don't have a choice. Soon, the Indians will be joining the crowd and it's going to get even worse, as there are 1. 3 billion of them. There will be an awful lot of new mongers from that country. Prices going up? So what, there is inflation and there is the supply / demand effect, better get used to it and start shelling out some more money. Girls are not as GFE as they used to be? I honestly did not experience that. From my experience, girls are as GFE now as they were years ago. Granted, they are being spoiled now by the new mongers, but that usually translates into more money.
Day 20: March 14 "Nn" at Nataree - 4000 bt great session.
She worked her way down to my dick and yes guys, she went to put my sagami 001 on before initiating a BJ. BUT I asked her not to put the condom on and told her I WAS CLEAN. She hesitated a little bit, but then gave in and blew me bareback.
Excellent response to an attempt by the girl to give you the same horrible level of service she's used to doling out to her customers! Nothing wrong with expressing disapproval of lousy service. At the very least, it is the first line of defense against that kind of CBJ nonsense, whether you're paying a girl 4,400 baht including extra tip, as you did, or only paying a girl 2,000 baht or less, as many other customers might.
I would like to voice my dissent here, encouraged by Natty's post. I first came to Thailand in 2004, after a long spell of mongering in Rio, Brazil. I enjoyed my visit to Bangkok so much that I stopped going to Rio, and started using the little vacation I had in the US gulag (for worker bees that is) for Thailand.
Since then, I have been coming to Thailand every year, sometimes multiple times per year. I am probably close to a grand total of 20 trips with an average duration of 10 days each.
I don't see the undesirable change that you folks talk about. For me, the women are as lovely now as when I first started coming here. Of course, there were changes but so what. There are changes everywhere all the time. Too many Chinese / Korean mongers? Well, I am trying to adapt to that environment as I don't have a choice. Soon, the Indians will be joining the crowd and it's going to get even worse, as there are 1. 3 billion of them. There will be an awful lot of new mongers from that country. Prices going up? So what, there is inflation and there is the supply / demand effect, better get used to it and start shelling out some more money. Girls are not as GFE as they used to be? I honestly did not experience that. From my experience, girls are as GFE now as they were years ago. Granted, they are being spoiled now by the new mongers, but that usually translates into more money.Yes, prices go up. But usually for the same or better quality when it comes to most goods and services. That is not what we are seeing here. More money for poorer service and worse looks? Sorry, you probably would not accept that with any other service; why accept it in P4 P? Respectfully, if you don't notice a difference between what is available now and what was available 10 years ago, then hey, that's the way you see it. We don't all see things in the same way, but to most of us there is light years difference.
Wolvenvacht
03-26-16, 09:21
I don't see the undesirable change that you folks talk about. For me, the women are as lovely now as when I first started coming here.I second your opinion.
I am a regular visitor to Thailand for over five years now with two to three visits per year.
Honestly, I cannot say that the quality of the girls and their service has gone down significantly. Sure, not every session is a stellar experience, but there have always been differences between performance, even within the same establishment, even with the same girl. I usually go for LT and sometimes the evening performance was good and the morning session just a "cum quickly I have to go home now" or in the evening she was tired but the next day she took full advantage of my morning wood.
On the average, the quality has remained fairly the same over the years. Prices have gone up a bit indeed but are still very much affordable. I can monger a week in Bangkok for what I will spend in one night in a German FKK.
Yes, prices go up. But usually for the same or better quality when it comes to most goods and services. That is not what we are seeing here. More money for poorer service and worse looks? Sorry, you probably would not accept that with any other service; why accept it in P4 P? Respectfully, if you don't notice a difference between what is available now and what was available 10 years ago, then hey, that's the way you see it. We don't all see things in the same way, but to most of us there is light years difference.I have been coming to Thailand since my early 20's, so its been over 20 years. I can positively tell you there are light years of difference at about every 5-7 year interval. I remember clearly up to about 10-12 years ago, the massage sidelines were full of really gorgeous girls, places like Plaza entertainment, Caesars, Nataree, and even cheap parlors like Evita, Meree, we get confused who to pick. And these days majority of girls offer deep kiss, and there was no such thing as cover BJ, unless customer request it. I remember from my diary 15 years ago, the sideline at Plaza cost 1500, and similar price at Ratchada parlors, at these time, if you tip girls 200, you probably can get a bare back. The overall attitude was great up until about 7-10 years ago. That's when all these high end venues started to appear like gentlemen lounges, high end karaoke bars, hostess bars, high end massage parlors, all these expensive places spread like wild fire, and the girls suddenly had so many choices to work and they got spread out. Then Thai economy got better, more and more rich men take away these cute ones as gik or mia noi (lovers), more and more cuties disappear from the market, that's when these mega parlors started to import their talents from the bordering regions, especially Tai Yai from the Chiang Rai / Myanmar areas.
Then comes the mass tourism of Chinese, Koreans, Russians, ect. More and more customers are competing for the small remaining young / cute workforce, that's when this group price sky rocketed in this 10 years. Up to around 10 years ago, in the Rainbows in Nana, you were surrounded by hundred of very nice slender all naked bodies for inspection before pay bar, not many tatoos, not many fake tits or nose like today, price standard 1000ST, bar fine 500. All girls were friendly and gave extensive services, I still had lots of good memories from Nana over 10 years ago, now I don't even bar fine there anymore, ST 2000-2500 plus 600 bar fine, LDs, ST hotel, because most of them too lazy even to ride a 10 min taxi, almost all with some plastic surgeries, it's just not even fun anymore.
The only place that I feel easy is these oil joints, because I can still get some nice services, but you have to really compromise the appearance, majority are mothers, and probably late 20's. Bangkok pay scene has changed tremendously if you compare now and then 10+ years ago. For me in recent years, you just have to make more and more compromise and lower and lower your previous standard and expectation.
Someone mentioned Jakarta, it is still the best value in probably in the world, if you know these local massage parlors, and pay the local prices 200 k-300 k, still many young cuties can be found in these local joints all over Jakarta and they really perform well even at these low end prices. China's Changping was another really super value until 2 years ago when the authority shut down all the barber shops and saunas, it is pretty much like a ghost town now. Yangon and Vientaine no longer a value performance places either. I agree Jakarta is probably the last frontier in Asia or probably the world for value / performance pay play.
I second your opinion.
I am a regular visitor to Thailand for over five years now with two to three visits per year.
Honestly, I cannot say that the quality of the girls and their service has gone down significantly. Sure, not every session is a stellar experience, but there have always been differences between performance, even within the same establishment, even with the same girl. I usually go for LT and sometimes the evening performance was good and the morning session just a "cum quickly I have to go home now" or in the evening she was tired but the next day she took full advantage of my morning wood.
On the average, the quality has remained fairly the same over the years. Prices have gone up a bit indeed but are still very much affordable. I can monger a week in Bangkok for what I will spend in one night in a German FKK.Yep, I would say that 5 years ago things were already well on the downward slide. So you really did not get to see it in it's heyday. Truth be told things started slipping soon after the '06 coup and accelerated at quite a pace when the economy boomed and it's been well downhill on all fronts since the floods in '11. Personally I found myself having a bit of a hard time finding good gals along about '07. Before then each and every night out was not a question of would I find something, but a question of how will I decide who to take.
I have been coming to Thailand since my early 20's, so its been over 20 years. I can positively tell you there are light years of difference at about every 5-7 year interval. I remember clearly up to about 10-12 years ago, the massage sidelines were full of really gorgeous girls, places like Plaza entertainment, Caesars, Nataree, and even cheap parlors like Evita, Meree, we get confused who to pick. And these days majority of girls offer deep kiss, and there was no such thing as cover BJ, unless customer request it. I remember from my diary 15 years ago, the sideline at Plaza cost 1500, and similar price at Ratchada parlors, at these time, if you tip girls 200, you probably can get a bare back. The overall attitude was great up until about 7-10 years ago. That's when all these high end venues started to appear like gentlemen lounges, high end karaoke bars, hostess bars, high end massage parlors, all these expensive places spread like wild fire, and the girls suddenly had so many choices to work and they got spread out. Then Thai economy got better, more and more rich men take away these cute ones as gik or mia noi (lovers), more and more cuties disappear from the market, that's when these mega parlors started to import their talents from the bordering regions, especially Tai Yai from the Chiang Rai / Myanmar areas.
Then comes the mass tourism of Chinese, Koreans, Russians, ect. More and more customers are competing for the small remaining young / cute workforce, that's when this group price sky rocketed in this 10 years. Up to around 10 years ago, in the Rainbows in Nana, you were surrounded by hundred of very nice slender all naked bodies for inspection before pay bar, not many tatoos, not many fake tits or nose like today, price standard 1000ST, bar fine 500. All girls were friendly and gave extensive services, I still had lots of good memories from Nana over 10 years ago, now I don't even bar fine there anymore, ST 2000-2500 plus 600 bar fine, LDs, ST hotel, because most of them too lazy even to ride a 10 min taxi, almost all with some plastic surgeries, it's just not even fun anymore.
The only place that I feel easy is these oil joints, because I can still get some nice services, but you have to really compromise the appearance, majority are mothers, and probably late 20's. Bangkok pay scene has changed tremendously if you compare now and then 10+ years ago. For me in recent years, you just have to make more and more compromise and lower and lower your previous standard and expectation.
Someone mentioned Jakarta, it is still the best value in probably in the world, if you know these local massage parlors, and pay the local prices 200 k-300 k, still many young cuties can be found in these local joints all over Jakarta and they really perform well even at these low end prices. China's Changping was another really super value until 2 years ago when the authority shut down all the barber shops and saunas, it is pretty much like a ghost town now. Yangon and Vientaine no longer a value performance places either. I agree Jakarta is probably the last frontier in Asia or probably the world for value / performance pay play.Can't agree with you more. Everything you have stated is spot on. It's really amazing when you hear from dudes who have not been here in a decade. Most are shocked at the changes in the P4 P scene. And if you want a real stunner in Jakarta that performs, it's still going to cost you less than 100 USD.
Christian G
03-26-16, 14:24
Yes, prices go up. But usually for the same or better quality when it comes to most goods and services. That is not what we are seeing here. More money for poorer service and worse looks? Sorry, you probably would not accept that with any other service; why accept it in P4 P? Respectfully, if you don't notice a difference between what is available now and what was available 10 years ago, then hey, that's the way you see it. We don't all see things in the same way, but to most of us there is light years difference.Goat, I totally agree with you. Every years is always more difficult to find a good service. Nowadays the girls seems more and more lazy to work with a bad attitude. I can see this in Bangkok and Pattaya.
DesiDownUnder
03-26-16, 21:25
I am currently in Bangkok for a few days. I visited Mango massage yesterday with 2 wingmen, around 5 pm. There were about 6 girls available. I ended picking last, and my wingmen seemed to have picked the best 2 among the lot. I was not in the mood to go somewhere else and decided to try my luck with a chick who had a nice smile. As she got up, I realized that she was GND in look, and carried some extra pounds around the waist.
Back in the room, she went through her normal routine, and after the first shot was completed, she proceeded to give me a massage. That's when I got my surprise. That girl was so erotic and so sensual, that for the next hour or so, we did not speak a word to each other, yet we were so much in synch. I have not had that experience in a long time.
The next day I returned, and being a variety man, I went to Addict and hoping I would not regret it. Addict had a big lineup of close to 20+ chicks. I picked first this time but I blew it. I picked a young chick, GND cute, slim body with nice curves. But back in the room, I found out that she was relatively new. She told me she was 22, had a baby, and has been on the job for 3 months. But as she undressed, I was pleased to admire her lovely body. And that was the extent of the fun.
Then she started wasting time in the shower, trying to get me off via HJ. She kept complaining about my size, hoping that I would opt for a HJ. Eventually, she settled down and proceeded to cap me and rode me RCG (reverse cow girl). After a while, she felt more comfortable, then I switched to mish. I have to say that I enjoyed hearing her make those funny noises, like in Japanese porn. After a while we switched to doggie, and I unloaded there. After that, she gave me a lackluster massage, as she spent half the time looking at herself in the mirror.
Did I regret not repeating with my Mango chick? Absolutely. But, I have not had a young pussy in a while, so I really enjoyed banging this hottie. I felt my money was well spent. I could not care less about the lousy massage, and her wasting time.Hey. Whats the name of the mango chick? Is she on the website?
Someone mentioned Jakarta, it is still the best value in probably in the world, if you know these local massage parlors, and pay the local prices 200 k-300 k, still many young cuties can be found in these local joints all over Jakarta and they really perform well even at these low end prices. China's Changping was another really super value until 2 years ago when the authority shut down all the barber shops and saunas, it is pretty much like a ghost town now. Yangon and Vientaine no longer a value performance places either. I agree Jakarta is probably the last frontier in Asia or probably the world for value / performance pay play.One wonderful thing about Jakarta and China is that almost none of the working girls have kids. Why? Because the locals won't take them if they do. Most have wives at home with baby drag on their bodies, so when they go out for P4 P the last thing they want to see is a gal who already has a kid. Sure wish it was that way in LOS. These days finding a looker who performs without kids is a very difficult task.
EihTooms ' If ever a case can be made for a timely and appropriate funeral eulogy for the P4P industry of Thailand, these horror stories about the kind of astonishingly abysmal "value for money" one gets at some of the otherwise all too often highly touted Ratchada soapies would be it. I have no idea what guys are thinking to waste so much time, money, emotion and energy encouraging such worthless service with their hard earned money. Seems like the spectacularly self-defeating and counterproductive aspect of it has well and surely dawned on you too. Thanks for the detailed and honest report. ' Excellent response to a report about a frustrating experience at Nataree that could apply to many other places, especially in Bangkok.
Natty Bumpo in his report "Day 20: March 14 "Nn" at Nataree - 4000 bt great session" attempts to defend Nataree but unwittingly, somehow does the opposite. 4000 baht for one round? He describes in great detail a very average experience that personally I would be unsatisfied with and wouldn't wish to repeat for that kind of money.
I work daily with highly educated Thai people with expensive post-graduate qualifications. They work long hours in demanding jobs. 4000 baht is still a great deal of money here. Whether you visit this country 3 times a year or have racked up 20 trips, comparing the prices of other countries simply isn't valid. Visitors often spend large amounts of money in attempt to stand out from the crowd thinking it'll engender loyalty, exclusivity or will simply impress the recipient and encourage a greater performance level when they eventually return. It does none of these things and can often be counterproductive to both the generous benefactor and the wider scene. Being increasingly generous to those who have chosen an easy route who then provide a minimal or half completed job would not be acceptable in any other industry. Reading some of the reports here, I sometimes think that many lose sight of who is the customer and who is the provider. Demanding a certain service level does not mean one has to make the whole experience into a cold business like exchange. To read comments saying that others should accept the rapidly increasing prices again bears no relation to reality here. If my own and others salary here had gone up at a % matching the increase of P4P prices, I'the be very happy, especially if my performance had been allowed to slip without any comment from the company I work for and my attitude to the job had deteriorated to a point where I decided when and how much work I'the do at any time I chose. Yet this is what people who live have almost universally experienced being on the receiving end of.
When I go for a P4P session, I would like to think that a fairly consistent minimal level service would be rightfully expected (as in other cities / countries) given the prices demanded. For the record, I go into any encounter well dressed, speaking as much Thai as I can while listening to more, and keep things light even when they don't go so well. Added to that, things like anal and CIM don't interest me, so you'the think I'the be seen as an easy customer. Nowadays, when I go for a session, which should be entertaining and enjoyable, I feel increasingly anxious. I'm often wondering whether I'll come out more frustrated than when I went in. At places like Nataree (which I stopped going to years ago) and Addict (which I'm about to stop), my success rate of what I'the classify as a good experience is / was about 50%. It should be much higher but it seems there is no performance standard imposed at these and other similar places at all. Many customers of a range of nationalities seem happy to receive a decreasing level of service, so that then becomes the norm.
The scene here becomes progressively less enjoyable; some nearby countries are emerging while others retain a consistent level of service. Just look at Phnom Penh to see how quickly a scene can be ruined and diminished by over paying punters and other factors. Think it couldn't happen here? Political and social changes happening or that are about to happen could hasten it, by then there may not be much anyway that's worth keeping at the present rate of decline.
I have been coming to Thailand since my early 20's, so its been over 20 years. I can positively tell you there are light years of difference at about every 5-7 year interval. I remember clearly up to about 10-12 years ago, the massage sidelines were full of really gorgeous girls, places like Plaza entertainment, Caesars, Nataree, and even cheap parlors like Evita, Meree, we get confused who to pick. And these days majority of girls offer deep kiss, and there was no such thing as cover BJ, unless customer request it. I remember from my diary 15 years ago, the sideline at Plaza cost 1500, and similar price at Ratchada parlors, at these time, if you tip girls 200, you probably can get a bare back. The overall attitude was great up until about 7-10 years ago.
(Major SNIP)Thank you for that fantastic overview, ShinShin. Your observations, time and experience certainly confirms that when you say a session was bad, as you did in your most recent Nataree girl review, that means just about any clear headed, experienced punter would agree with you that it was BAD. LOL. There are a few other posters I would say that about as well. Goatscrot, for example. A couple of others, well, let's be kind and just say what I read does not in any way jive with my or any of my friends and acquaintance's experience. But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy their unqualified enthusiasm.
Nataree is probably still the best parlor that offers young workers these days. Catherine is another one that always has quite a few young and okay looking ones all these years, but I feel the level at Catherine is steadily getting bad, and location is hard to get to. I really like Nataree for 10+ years ago, but in the beginning when I started to come BKK, actually my favorite was Plaza, the 6th floor was packed with young beauties for many years.
Nataree's service was very good and consistent 10+ years ago, then become a little inconsistent through the decade, then nowadays a little tricky because hard to expect, the good and the bad fluctuate so much, but this reflect the whole BKK pay sex industries, not just Nataree. In my recent years experiences, I don't recommend the 4-5 K young fresh category, this is the trickiest category, because hard to expect what happen in the room, and actually this class gets a lot of traffic, these girls can do more rounds than the regular 2. 3, 2. 6 k class, these class of girls are teenagers and they have the mood swing, I recommend if you are on short stay and want a more reliable service, to avoid disappointment then go with the ordinary 2. 3 or 2. 6 or the 2 k inside the tank which I find the most reliable with their service but may not be too young and tight.
BKK scene is changing, and I have adapt and have been forced to compromise with what we have now in the market, Nataree is no longer the old paradise 10+ years ago, it's now tilted to the seller's market, but it is still one of the biggest young meat markets there is in BKK. I will check Catherine next trip to BKK in a few days for a transit flight to Myanmar.
Nataree is probably still the best parlor that offers young workers these days. Catherine is another one that always has quite a few young and okay looking ones all these years, but I feel the level at Catherine is steadily getting bad, and location is hard to get to. I really like Nataree for 10+ years ago, but in the beginning when I started to come BKK, actually my favorite was Plaza, the 6th floor was packed with young beauties for many years.
Nataree's service was very good and consistent 10+ years ago, then become a little inconsistent through the decade, then nowadays a little tricky because hard to expect, the good and the bad fluctuate so much, but this reflect the whole BKK pay sex industries, not just Nataree. In my recent years experiences, I don't recommend the 4-5 K young fresh category, this is the trickiest category, because hard to expect what happen in the room, and actually this class gets a lot of traffic, these girls can do more rounds than the regular 2. 3, 2. 6 k class, these class of girls are teenagers and they have the mood swing, I recommend if you are on short stay and want a more reliable service, to avoid disappointment then go with the ordinary 2. 3 or 2. 6 or the 2 k inside the tank which I find the most reliable with their service but may not be too young and tight.
BKK scene is changing, and I have adapt and have been forced to compromise with what we have now in the market, Nataree is no longer the old paradise 10+ years ago, it's now tilted to the seller's market, but it is still one of the biggest young meat markets there is in BKK. I will check Catherine next trip to BKK in a few days for a transit flight to Myanmar.I'd like to point out that not every guy likes young women. Some guys, like myself, prefer women in their 30's and 40's.
One study found that this kind of preference depends on the age of your parents, when you were born. If you were born to older parents, then you will like older women.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/17-facts-about-human-sexual-attraction_n_3817941.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1690969/
But you are right that there are fewer young women in Thailand's sex industry now than before. This is because the whole population of Thailand has been aging over the years. The fertility rate in Thailand has dropped below the replacement level some time ago. It's 1.5 children per woman now, and 2.1 is what you need to maintain the population. The median age of people in Thailand has gone from 19.7 years in 1980 to 38.0 years in 2015, and it's expected to be 40.5 years in 2020.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/331867/average-age-of-the-population-in-thailand/
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=th&v=31
Gannaton48
03-27-16, 16:44
Nataree is probably still the best parlor that offers young workers these days. Catherine is another one that always has quite a few young and okay looking ones all these years, but I feel the level at Catherine is steadily getting bad, and location is hard to get to. I really like Nataree for 10+ years ago, but in the beginning when I started to come BKK, actually my favorite was Plaza, the 6th floor was packed with young beauties for many years.
Nataree's service was very good and consistent 10+ years ago, then become a little inconsistent through the decade, then nowadays a little tricky because hard to expect, the good and the bad fluctuate so much, but this reflect the whole BKK pay sex industries, not just Nataree. In my recent years experiences, I don't recommend the 4-5 K young fresh category, this is the trickiest category, because hard to expect what happen in the room, and actually this class gets a lot of traffic, these girls can do more rounds than the regular 2. 3, 2. 6 k class, these class of girls are teenagers and they have the mood swing, I recommend if you are on short stay and want a more reliable service, to avoid disappointment then go with the ordinary 2. 3 or 2. 6 or the 2 k inside the tank which I find the most reliable with their service but may not be too young and tight.
BKK scene is changing, and I have adapt and have been forced to compromise with what we have now in the market, Nataree is no longer the old paradise 10+ years ago, it's now tilted to the seller's market, but it is still one of the biggest young meat markets there is in BKK. I will check Catherine next trip to BKK in a few days for a transit flight to Myanmar.This is also my opinion, that's why I go mostly to beerbars such as in Soi 7; nice, smiling, still well-bodied and service complete (BBBJ and even CIM usually "self-evident", in contrast to the soapies). I am always astonished to see so few contributions about beerbars in BKK.
Nataree is probably still the best parlor that offers young workers these days. Catherine is another one that always has quite a few young and okay looking ones all these years, but I feel the level at Catherine is steadily getting bad, and location is hard to get to. I really like Nataree for 10+ years ago, but in the beginning when I started to come BKK, actually my favorite was Plaza, the 6th floor was packed with young beauties for many years.
Nataree's service was very good and consistent 10+ years ago, then become a little inconsistent through the decade, then nowadays a little tricky because hard to expect, the good and the bad fluctuate so much, but this reflect the whole BKK pay sex industries, not just Nataree. In my recent years experiences, I don't recommend the 4-5 K young fresh category, this is the trickiest category, because hard to expect what happen in the room, and actually this class gets a lot of traffic, these girls can do more rounds than the regular 2. 3, 2. 6 k class, these class of girls are teenagers and they have the mood swing, I recommend if you are on short stay and want a more reliable service, to avoid disappointment then go with the ordinary 2. 3 or 2. 6 or the 2 k inside the tank which I find the most reliable with their service but may not be too young and tight.
BKK scene is changing, and I have adapt and have been forced to compromise with what we have now in the market, Nataree is no longer the old paradise 10+ years ago, it's now tilted to the seller's market, but it is still one of the biggest young meat markets there is in BKK. I will check Catherine next trip to BKK in a few days for a transit flight to Myanmar.I used to love Nataree too but the service now is more; condom BJ, No kissing, no DATY which means poor service for me. There are exceptions but no way am I going to keep going back to find the right one when I can get it cheaper with more consistent service from many other places.
Crocodilexp
03-27-16, 18:11
Someone mentioned Jakarta, it is still the best value in probably in the world, if you know these local massage parlors, and pay the local prices 200 k-300 k, still many young cuties can be found in these local joints all over Jakarta and they really perform well even at these low end prices. Great value for the looks indeed, but I wouldn't say service is much to write home about (though surely more consistent than Nataree). What bothers me about those venues is that they're all basically mafia-run, and you can shag a girl, but there's virtually no way you could take her out or arrange a more relaxed session in a different setting.
What used to be so amazing about Thailand in its heyday is that you could get whatever you wished -- one shot, a few hours, a week, a month, all the way up to marriage. Sure, you were just another customer, but if you want to be more, if nothing else in your own mind, most would have gladly indulged you, and it would cost you basically only as much as you were willing to spend. Even if you don't do it, having the options was thrilling. Working girls elsewhere (except perhaps the Philippines) simply don't offer that these days.
Jakarta, from what I discovered (unfortunately late, only in 2014), is good value, but it's traditional single-defined-transaction prostitution, not the open-ended kind which used to be prevalent in Thailand.
Does anyone have any personal favorite oilies for great service level besides Tulip and Snow White? Is there any consistency at other places, or is it hit or miss depending on the girl. I've always had a pretty good experience at Tulip, but I just wondered if it was worth mixing it up, or sticking with the sure thing. I'm not necessarily concerned about the the girls being an absolute looker, because there are other places for that, but just about having a good performer. I've done some reading through the forum lately, and the big discussions seem mostly about prices going up and service going to shit.
Hi,
I am in BKK for couple of days and staying in Novatel, Ploemchit road. Any good soapies that one would recommend nearby.
Thanks in advance.
Does anyone have any personal favorite oilies for great service level besides Tulip and Snow White? Is there any consistency at other places, or is it hit or miss depending on the girl. I've always had a pretty good experience at Tulip, but I just wondered if it was worth mixing it up, or sticking with the sure thing. I'm not necessarily concerned about the the girls being an absolute looker, because there are other places for that, but just about having a good performer. I've done some reading through the forum lately, and the big discussions seem mostly about prices going up and service going to shit.I think the women are more important than the place they are working at. If you want to have a good experience then you need to look for good women, rather than for good places.
It's true that some massage places attract the best women and enable them to be good at what they do. But this can easily change with a change in management.
I think you are more likely to find good experiences if you focus on looking for good women, rather than for good places. Because your experience is mostly with the woman and not so much with the place.
When a woman is really good with her guys and she has a lot of regular customers, then a lot of her customers follow her, when she switches massage places and starts working at some other place. Because your experience comes mostly from the lady and not from the place where she works.
Great value for the looks indeed, but I wouldn't say service is much to write home about (though surely more consistent than Nataree). What bothers me about those venues is that they're all basically mafia-run, and you can shag a girl, but there's virtually no way you could take her out or arrange a more relaxed session in a different setting.
What used to be so amazing about Thailand in its heyday is that you could get whatever you wished -- one shot, a few hours, a week, a month, all the way up to marriage. Sure, you were just another customer, but if you want to be more, if nothing else in your own mind, most would have gladly indulged you, and it would cost you basically only as much as you were willing to spend. Even if you don't do it, having the options was thrilling. Working girls elsewhere (except perhaps the Philippines) simply don't offer that these days.
Jakarta, from what I discovered (unfortunately late, only in 2014), is good value, but it's traditional single-defined-transaction prostitution, not the open-ended kind which used to be prevalent in Thailand.I'd say that it's still pretty easy to get married in Thailand, if you are so inclined. You just need to realize that not every P4P lady is available for marriage. Because there are some married women doing P4P once in a while. And you do need to have enough money (income and / or savings) to support a family, if you want to get married in any country, including Thailand.
Bar ladies, who come from Isaan, often hope to marry some farang eventually. This is one of the reasons why they start working with foreigners.
EihTooms ' If ever a case can be made for a timely and appropriate funeral eulogy for the P4P industry of Thailand, these horror stories about the kind of astonishingly abysmal "value for money" one gets at some of the otherwise all too often highly touted Ratchada soapies would be it. I have no idea what guys are thinking to waste so much time, money, emotion and energy encouraging such worthless service with their hard earned money. Seems like the spectacularly self-defeating and counterproductive aspect of it has well and surely dawned on you too. Thanks for the detailed and honest report. ' Excellent response to a report about a frustrating experience at Nataree that could apply to many other places, especially in Bangkok.
Natty Bumpo in his report "Day 20: March 14 "Nn" at Nataree - 4000 bt great session" attempts to defend Nataree but unwittingly, somehow does the opposite. 4000 baht for one round? He describes in great detail a very average experience that personally I would be unsatisfied with and wouldn't wish to repeat for that kind of money.
I work daily with highly educated Thai people with expensive post-graduate qualifications. They work long hours in demanding jobs. 4000 baht is still a great deal of money here. Whether you visit this country 3 times a year or have racked up 20 trips, comparing the prices of other countries simply isn't valid. Visitors often spend large amounts of money in attempt to stand out from the crowd thinking it'll engender loyalty, exclusivity or will simply impress the recipient and encourage a greater performance level when they eventually return. It does none of these things and can often be counterproductive to both the generous benefactor and the wider scene. Being increasingly generous to those who have chosen an easy route who then provide a minimal or half completed job would not be acceptable in any other industry. Reading some of the reports here, I sometimes think that many lose sight of who is the customer and who is the provider. Demanding a certain service level does not mean one has to make the whole experience into a cold business like exchange. To read comments saying that others should accept the rapidly increasing prices again bears no relation to reality here. If my own and others salary here had gone up at a % matching the increase of P4P prices, I'the be very happy, especially if my performance had been allowed to slip without any comment from the company I work for and my attitude to the job had deteriorated to a point where I decided when and how much work I'the do at any time I chose. Yet this is what people who live have almost universally experienced being on the receiving end of.
When I go for a P4P session, I would like to think that a fairly consistent minimal level service would be rightfully expected (as in other cities / countries) given the prices demanded. For the record, I go into any encounter well dressed, speaking as much Thai as I can while listening to more, and keep things light even when they don't go so well. Added to that, things like anal and CIM don't interest me, so you'the think I'the be seen as an easy customer. Nowadays, when I go for a session, which should be entertaining and enjoyable, I feel increasingly anxious. I'm often wondering whether I'll come out more frustrated than when I went in. At places like Nataree (which I stopped going to years ago) and Addict (which I'm about to stop), my success rate of what I'the classify as a good experience is / was about 50%. It should be much higher but it seems there is no performance standard imposed at these and other similar places at all. Many customers of a range of nationalities seem happy to receive a decreasing level of service, so that then becomes the norm.
The scene here becomes progressively less enjoyable; some nearby countries are emerging while others retain a consistent level of service. Just look at Phnom Penh to see how quickly a scene can be ruined and diminished by over paying punters and other factors. Think it couldn't happen here? Political and social changes happening or that are about to happen could hasten it, by then there may not be much anyway that's worth keeping at the present rate of decline.Well put. I meet newbies here almost every week. Guys on holiday who strike up a conversation in a restaurant or at a bar. We hang out together for much of the time they spend here. It's fun. Many of them are younger, better looking, more charming, smarter and in a dozen other ways the kind of guys you wouldn't think would hit too many glitches in a P4 P haven like Bangkok. But without exception, by their third night here they have a story to tell about getting ripped off by a bargirl, wasting a ton of money in a Massage Shop or Soapy for crap service or even no acceptable service at all. This is unsolicited on my part. I promise you I never "lead the witness" in this regard. I am all positive and optimism on their first visit to the LOS.
More often than not, by the end of their first week here they are already reluctant to take the next girl, accept the next "glowing" offer, fall for the next "sure thing" experience because, by then, they have had at least a couple more rip off scam experiences around town and are now extremely gun-shy about it. The question is no longer, "Will it be just a good experience or a great one?", but rather, "Will it be a successful "mission accomplished" or will it be another colossal waste of time, money and emotion?"
That is not a huge selling point for a P4 P destination. Yes, it is still better than most of the world and much better than most of our home countries. But I don't think that would exactly thrill many prospects on a travel brochure. LOL.
EihTooms ' If ever a case can be made for a timely and appropriate funeral eulogy for the P4P industry of Thailand, these horror stories about the kind of astonishingly abysmal "value for money" one gets at some of the otherwise all too often highly touted Ratchada soapies would be it. I have no idea what guys are thinking to waste so much time, money, emotion and energy encouraging such worthless service with their hard earned money. Seems like the spectacularly self-defeating and counterproductive aspect of it has well and surely dawned on you too. Thanks for the detailed and honest report. ' Excellent response to a report about a frustrating experience at Nataree that could apply to many other places, especially in Bangkok.
Natty Bumpo in his report "Day 20: March 14 "Nn" at Nataree - 4000 bt great session" attempts to defend Nataree but unwittingly, somehow does the opposite. 4000 baht for one round? He describes in great detail a very average experience that personally I would be unsatisfied with and wouldn't wish to repeat for that kind of money.
I work daily with highly educated Thai people with expensive post-graduate qualifications. They work long hours in demanding jobs. 4000 baht is still a great deal of money here. Whether you visit this country 3 times a year or have racked up 20 trips, comparing the prices of other countries simply isn't valid. Visitors often spend large amounts of money in attempt to stand out from the crowd thinking it'll engender loyalty, exclusivity or will simply impress the recipient and encourage a greater performance level when they eventually return. It does none of these things and can often be counterproductive to both the generous benefactor and the wider scene. Being increasingly generous to those who have chosen an easy route who then provide a minimal or half completed job would not be acceptable in any other industry. Reading some of the reports here, I sometimes think that many lose sight of who is the customer and who is the provider. Demanding a certain service level does not mean one has to make the whole experience into a cold business like exchange. To read comments saying that others should accept the rapidly increasing prices again bears no relation to reality here. If my own and others salary here had gone up at a % matching the increase of P4P prices, I'the be very happy, especially if my performance had been allowed to slip without any comment from the company I work for and my attitude to the job had deteriorated to a point where I decided when and how much work I'the do at any time I chose. Yet this is what people who live have almost universally experienced being on the receiving end of.
When I go for a P4P session, I would like to think that a fairly consistent minimal level service would be rightfully expected (as in other cities / countries) given the prices demanded. For the record, I go into any encounter well dressed, speaking as much Thai as I can while listening to more, and keep things light even when they don't go so well. Added to that, things like anal and CIM don't interest me, so you'the think I'the be seen as an easy customer. Nowadays, when I go for a session, which should be entertaining and enjoyable, I feel increasingly anxious. I'm often wondering whether I'll come out more frustrated than when I went in. At places like Nataree (which I stopped going to years ago) and Addict (which I'm about to stop), my success rate of what I'the classify as a good experience is / was about 50%. It should be much higher but it seems there is no performance standard imposed at these and other similar places at all. Many customers of a range of nationalities seem happy to receive a decreasing level of service, so that then becomes the norm.
The scene here becomes progressively less enjoyable; some nearby countries are emerging while others retain a consistent level of service. Just look at Phnom Penh to see how quickly a scene can be ruined and diminished by over paying punters and other factors. Think it couldn't happen here? Political and social changes happening or that are about to happen could hasten it, by then there may not be much anyway that's worth keeping at the present rate of decline.In agreement 100%. When I go for a sesh at a parlor, I should not be worried about what I am going to get. I should know exactly what to expect. Should not be a roll of the die or a spin of the wheel. And for sure, if I were to slack on the job, I might not have more. I certainly would not be paid more for less.
FreeWillyBruh
03-28-16, 16:25
I have been coming to Thailand since my early 20's, so its been over 20 years. I can positively tell you there are light years of difference at about every 5-7 year interval. I remember clearly up to about 10-12 years ago, the massage sidelines were full of really gorgeous girls, places like Plaza entertainment, Caesars, Nataree, and even cheap parlors like Evita, Meree, we get confused who to pick. And these days majority of girls offer deep kiss, and there was no such thing as cover BJ, unless customer request it. I remember from my diary 15 years ago, the sideline at Plaza cost 1500, and similar price at Ratchada parlors, at these time, if you tip girls 200, you probably can get a bare back. The overall attitude was great up until about 7-10 years ago. That's when all these high end venues started to appear like gentlemen lounges, high end karaoke bars, hostess bars, high end massage parlors, all these expensive places spread like wild fire, and the girls suddenly had so many choices to work and they got spread out. Then Thai economy got better, more and more rich men take away these cute ones as gik or mia noi (lovers), more and more cuties disappear from the market, that's when these mega parlors started to import their talents from the bordering regions, especially Tai Yai from the Chiang Rai / Myanmar areas.
Then comes the mass tourism of Chinese, Koreans, Russians, ect. More and more customers are competing for the small remaining young / cute workforce, that's when this group price sky rocketed in this 10 years. Up to around 10 years ago, in the Rainbows in Nana, you were surrounded by hundred of very nice slender all naked bodies for inspection before pay bar, not many tatoos, not many fake tits or nose like today, price standard 1000ST, bar fine 500..Kudos to Shin Shin here and share some perspective here!
I would also say the quality has gone down a tad over the years but even more so, the service! Used to didn't have to worry too much about performance as you were the conductor and laid the framework and the majority were always good outcomes.
The best advice I abstracted from here, learned on the street, or have come to embrace to lessen wasting valuable LOS time is as follows.
When a lady looks like a potential candidate for the evening, the first thing out of the mouth should be "do you barfine or go with customer" and I have learned to now piggyback "tonight you OK to go" . During my trips I have wasted so much time and money getting tunnel vision ed on a spinner or coyote only to find they "no go to loom". I enjoy buying some drinks and mingling etc, but now always get clarification prior to lady drinks etc.
Used to be the MP newbie that just paid and hoped for the best, or be too shy in front of a line up, but screw that approach now, and like some of the Champs here on this board, toe the line and tell them what your seeking instead of just picking some eye candy and hoping for the best come game time. If everyone at Addict put their hand up when asked who only does CBJ, I now don't hesitate to walk the heck out as the only thing that is constant is there is another MP and Singha just a stones throw away. I agree with the guys here that the MP's are the way to go during the day for getting what you like but you have to be on your game at night to ensure the Loom letdown doesn't occur.
The fees that the ladies throw out are simply a starting point and I was one of the ones that used to just pay whatever but not anymore, but now will simply move on if the going rate isn't agreed on and the statement of tip afterwards if performance good, has been working well.
Thanks for these tips and posts on ISG as they have been invaluable.
In summary, I am now cordial and polite, but immediately inquire and rule out prospects, wherever the venue, before buying drinks or huddling up with some beauties before kick off!
Fellow mongers,
Is there anyone who can share info in Nutty at Cherry massage? I am thinking of seeing here whilst I am in BKK?
Please PM me.
/ Kirsia123.
Fellow mongers,
Is there anyone who can share info in Nutty at Cherry massage? I am thinking of seeing here whilst I am in BKK?
Please PM me.
/ Kirsia123.You'll find lots of review on her as Mud or Mad from Mango, To summarise - Pretty face, car crash body from children, great service and can take a real pounding in the ass.
Does anyone have any personal favorite oilies for great service level besides Tulip and Snow White? Is there any consistency at other places, or is it hit or miss depending on the girl. I've always had a pretty good experience at Tulip, but I just wondered if it was worth mixing it up, or sticking with the sure thing. I'm not necessarily concerned about the the girls being an absolute looker, because there are other places for that, but just about having a good performer. I've done some reading through the forum lately, and the big discussions seem mostly about prices going up and service going to shit.I can recommend Bangkot as well. Gae, Rose or June are great performers.
I can recommend Bangkot as well. Gae, Rose or June are great performers.How are the bodies on Gae and Rose? Pretty good or lots of "baby drag?" June has a kid but she weathered it very well.
I can recommend Bangkot as well. Gae, Rose or June are great performers.Natalie and Cash are good performers as well. And neither has a kid.
Natalie and Cash are good performers as well. And neither has a kid.I haven't seen Natalie but just thinking about my last session with Cash gives me a boner. Can't wait to see her again!! Nooknik is also good, she's a little bit heavy but very dirty.
I was in Thailand in September, I was in Bangkok and sent Momay a couple of 'lines' to see if she was available. I missed her in Bangkok but she messaged me back when I was in Pattaya and came down for an evening. At that time she was working in Sky Massage at around Suk Soi 40. Momay is ALWAYS worth a visit.
How are the bodies on Gae and Rose? Pretty good or lots of "baby drag?" June has a kid but she weathered it very well.I saw Gae when she worked at Snow White, she's very attractive. Ha, In fact she actually looks like the pictures. I can't remember for certain whether she had had a baby but if she had, the damage was nothing like as bad as some of the other girls.
I haven't seen Natalie but just thinking about my last session with Cash gives me a boner. Can't wait to see her again!! Nooknik is also good, she's a little bit heavy but very dirty.
I was in Thailand in September, I was in Bangkok and sent Momay a couple of 'lines' to see if she was available. I missed her in Bangkok but she messaged me back when I was in Pattaya and came down for an evening. At that time she was working in Sky Massage at around Suk Soi 40. Momay is ALWAYS worth a visit.Sadly she is not at Sky at the present time. She was always one of my favorites. A truly dirty mind that really enjoyed her work.
I saw Gae when she worked at Snow White, she's very attractive. Ha, In fact she actually looks like the pictures. I can't remember for certain whether she had had a baby but if she had, the damage was nothing like as bad as some of the other girls.Thanks much for the information. Some more gals to "check out. ".
MichaelSamuel
03-30-16, 01:40
I also am interested in Rose as she was on my "shopping list" as I plan my trip in May. Anyone had the pleasure?
Also I had two other general questions. How does BongKot compare to SW, seems to be about the same to me from what I have read. Would others agree?
Also anyone been to Sky lately? I noticed it on my way out from the Marriott in January. BTW, the Marriott on soi 57 is my new favorite with GCP21. Will post a bit of info in hotel thread.
How are the bodies on Gae and Rose? Pretty good or lots of "baby drag?" June has a kid but she weathered it very well.
During a stopover in Bangkok on the way home decided to have a stroll through oilies. As my hotel was on soi 20, the closest one appeared to be Bongkot. But if I didn't like anyone, I was prepared to keep going to other oilies down the road. From having look at the website, it seemed to me that Rose looks quite nice.
I was there at around 9 pm and the lineup was fairly large, maybe about 10-12 ladies (which I understand is quite a few for this place). I picked one that looked the best (there were couple more who were do-able) and it actually turned out to be Rose, so yes she kind of looks like her pictures. Off we go for a 2 HR session.
She looks really pretty with a very nice smile, but when the clothes were off, a big disappointment. She has stretch marks all over her belly, which you couldn't see when she is wearing a blouse. That really was an unexpected surprise because otherwise she looks very nice. Speaks reasonable English too.
Started with some shower, massage (she is not doing a usual massage that great, but b2 b she did really nice), flip over and I asked for a BBBJ with CIM, which she obliged to. Another shower, a bit of cuddling and chat, another session started with CG, doggy and finish in mish. Another massage and just as I'm thinking 3rd shot might be in order, we are running out of time, so shower and downstairs.
Overall, the session was a bit disappointing. Yes she smiles and she is friendly, makes a small talk, but also seemed quiet and reserved. Maybe she was tired, maybe both of us were, or maybe we just didn't "click", which happens. WIR: No.Rose was on my hit list but I thought I remembered reading somewhere she had baby damage.
Shame because she seems to have a very pretty face.
MichaelSamuel
03-30-16, 01:56
As always you never know what you are going to get, but last 2 times at Lord I was pleased with my decision. Both girls spoke reasonable english which while not necessary, does make it easier. DFK, BBBJ, and either into it or reasonable actress. Both were young and flawless in body as well. It's not a value place, but least I was pleased with the service. Got line contacts off both girls as well and have kept in touch. Selection a lot less than nataree, but all considered its my number 1 spot soapie right now.
For performance reasons its also why SW is my first stop now. Service quality is great even if not the looks, I have found starting out that way is getting off on the right foot and then even in a disappointment later I can focus on that and revisit. No excuses for the crap service out there, but in the end its my happiness and satisfaction that it most important to me and I find this sets me up to maximize that.
I am definitely going try using tips more this next trip to see how effective that is. Giving massage girls 100 to start and letting them know there is more if they earn it. For gogo girls keeping the negotiated price down with tip incentive for performance. That and trying the suggestion to counter their price with I want, x,why, z for that. Will report my success.
In agreement 100%. When I go for a sesh at a parlor, I should not be worried about what I am going to get. I should know exactly what to expect. Should not be a roll of the die or a spin of the wheel. And for sure, if I were to slack on the job, I might not have more. I certainly would not be paid more for less.
I think the women are more important than the place they are working at. If you want to have a good experience then you need to look for good women, rather than for good places.
It's true that some massage places attract the best women and enable them to be good at what they do. But this can easily change with a change in management.
I think you are more likely to find good experiences if you focus on looking for good women, rather than for good places. Because your experience is mostly with the woman and not so much with the place.
When a woman is really good with her guys and she has a lot of regular customers, then a lot of her customers follow her, when she switches massage places and starts working at some other place. Because your experience comes mostly from the lady and not from the place where she works.I get what your saying. And I will usually repeat the girls that I have the best experience with until I feel like a little variety. But I have noticed a minimum level of service and I know what to expect at Snow White and Tulip. Thanks to the other suggestions from everyone else in the forum. I'll try out Bongkot and some the suggested girls there soon. I walked into SW the other day and caught Benz there for the first time. No appointment. She was as advertised and then some. I'm not into the fake tits, but they don't ruin it for me either. I also think that they make her look top heavy since her legs and ass are pretty small. Overall the body is pretty good considering.
She was pretty chatty and funny at the same time. And pretty enthusiastic with lots of energy. My session seemed to differ a bit from the last few I read about. There was a lot of DFK. And my god, I've never had that much tongue stuffed up my ass! I thought that she was going to damage her fake nose from smashing into my taint. And the DT was as advertised. I like her aggressiveness, and she seems to like it when I reciprocate it back. As in another report, she seems to like to go prone when trying to get off while being eaten out. She offered anal, but I wasn't that interested in it that day. She got two pops out of me in 2 hours and I have no doubts that a 3rd would have been offered if time allowed. I was a happy customer and I'll repeat soon.
I also am interested in Rose as she was on my "shopping list" as I plan my trip in May. Anyone had the pleasure?
Also I had two other general questions. How does BongKot compare to SW, seems to be about the same to me from what I have read. Would others agree?
Also anyone been to Sky lately? I noticed it on my way out from the Marriott in January. BTW, the Marriott on soi 57 is my new favorite with GCP21. Will post a bit of info in hotel thread.Sky is owned by Nong (owner of SW). Some former SW gals there. Only had one sesh there and the gal was new to the biz and did not seem to have received any training sadly. I was not very impressed with her, but I am sure the SW vets provide excellent service.
I have found the service level at Bongkot to be very good. Owned by Saeng who is also the ownew of Tulip. She seems to keep performance standards the highest of any PSE place.
As always you never know what you are going to get, but last 2 times at Lord I was pleased with my decision. Both girls spoke reasonable english which while not necessary, does make it easier. DFK, BBBJ, and either into it or reasonable actress. Both were young and flawless in body as well. It's not a value place, but least I was pleased with the service. Got line contacts off both girls as well and have kept in touch. Selection a lot less than nataree, but all considered its my number 1 spot soapie right now.I need to give The Lord a try. What was the damage to your wallet there? No issues paying for looks and performance. We really need a shop that has the looks of The Lord and the performance of Tulip guaranteed. That would be worth the big bucks. Nothing like an extra gorgeous gal rimming you.
MichaelSamuel
03-30-16, 03:55
4100 first time 5800 next so its not a deal and I wouldn't put the service up at PSE shop level. More like GFE that delivers. Also the girl didn't ask for tip, but did ask for like 200 thb for mama which I handed over. From the line contact and messages were able to get some pics so I have something when the memory is week. I am still not sure that host didn't inflate price on me second time. When I see the girl next month will get that question in there and find out what her rate should be and report back.
To me its like the difference in where you choose to eat, streatfood can be amazing (Snow white) and a lot less, but sometimes that old school wood paneled refined steak place (lord) is what your in the mood for.
One other benefit of the high places is I have yet to mischoose a girl and find out there was a baby there before me. Even at the gogos where I thought I checked before hand I still sometimes manged to miss the signs. With ST running around 3500 all in without a room that gets really annoying.
I second the thought on a shop combining both. What do you think it would cost though? 10 k+ for 2 hours? Would people pay? Could be that charging more makes it seem like a premium product and punters would pay more? The young girls may just be too lazy for this though. Just looking at them do the cowboy 2 step and then expect 5 k LT + drinks and maybe a tip doesn't encourage a good work ethic.
As many have noted various reasons for the increase in price and decline in service, any thoughts on what the endgame is for the girls these days? They don't seem to be really trying to snag a husband or sponsor and their ages are creeping up. How many gogo girls are really much over the 30 mark? Thais are known for not thinking about the future but seems like that is getting even worse regarding the girls. I can see that before the girl may save and buy some land or a house back in issan and move back, but is it just delusion that they think they can keep up the Bangkok lifestyle and the iphone6 somehow after they cross that 30 mark without any plan? Maybe the have picked up the 1 week millionaire bug too many times?
Can use CC though so those frequent flyer miles mean all that much more. There.
I need to give The Lord a try. What was the damage to your wallet there? No issues paying for looks and performance. We really need a shop that has the looks of The Lord and the performance of Tulip guaranteed. That would be worth the big bucks. Nothing like an extra gorgeous gal rimming you.
Crocodilexp
03-30-16, 06:05
I meet newbies here almost every week... More often than not, by the end of their first week here they are already reluctant to take the next girl, accept the next "glowing" offer, fall for the next "sure thing" experience because, by then, they have had at least a couple more rip off scam experiences around town and are now extremely gun-shy about it. The question is no longer, "Will it be just a good experience or a great one?", but rather, "Will it be a successful "mission accomplished" or will it be another colossal waste of time, money and emotion?"
That is not a huge selling point for a P4 P destination. Interesting. It used to be the exact opposite 10-15 years ago. From that era, I know several relatively young guys who came to Thailand NOT looking for P4 P at all, and even had moral qualms about paying for sex. But being men, were just slightly curious about what the scene looks like, without the intent to partake. They ended up being softly drawn in, and their experiences was often so far beyond expectations (in terms of GFE, how lovely / normal / unrushed the girls were), that they eventually turned into prolific mongers, some even moving here and becoming sexpats. Not a chance of it happening these days, with current selection and service.
Personally, if I came to Thailand anytime after 2010 or so, I wouldn't have ended up moving here. Bangkok offers plenty of reasons to stay (outside of PFP), but there would have been no strong draw to uproot and move.
4100 first time 5800 next so its not a deal and I wouldn't put the service up at PSE shop level. More like GFE that delivers. Also the girl didn't ask for tip, but did ask for like 200 thb for mama which I handed over. From the line contact and messages were able to get some pics so I have something when the memory is week. I am still not sure that host didn't inflate price on me second time. When I see the girl next month will get that question in there and find out what her rate should be and report back.
To me its like the difference in where you choose to eat, streatfood can be amazing (Snow white) and a lot less, but sometimes that old school wood paneled refined steak place (lord) is what your in the mood for.
One other benefit of the high places is I have yet to mischoose a girl and find out there was a baby there before me. Even at the gogos where I thought I checked before hand I still sometimes manged to miss the signs. With ST running around 3500 all in without a room that gets really annoying.
I second the thought on a shop combining both. What do you think it would cost though? 10 k+ for 2 hours? Would people pay? Could be that charging more makes it seem like a premium product and punters would pay more? The young girls may just be too lazy for this though. Just looking at them do the cowboy 2 step and then expect 5 k LT + drinks and maybe a tip doesn't encourage a good work ethic.
As many have noted various reasons for the increase in price and decline in service, any thoughts on what the endgame is for the girls these days? They don't seem to be really trying to snag a husband or sponsor and their ages are creeping up. How many gogo girls are really much over the 30 mark? Thais are known for not thinking about the future but seems like that is getting even worse regarding the girls. I can see that before the girl may save and buy some land or a house back in issan and move back, but is it just delusion that they think they can keep up the Bangkok lifestyle and the iphone6 somehow after they cross that 30 mark without any plan? Maybe the have picked up the 1 week millionaire bug too many times?
Can use CC though so those frequent flyer miles mean all that much more. There.Don't think people would pay 10 K. I bet most punters I know would be willing to pay what you paid at The Lord though. Great post sir!
Interesting. It used to be the exact opposite 10-15 years ago. From that era, I know several relatively young guys who came to Thailand NOT looking for P4 P at all, and even had moral qualms about paying for sex. But being men, were just slightly curious about what the scene looks like, without the intent to partake. They ended up being softly drawn in, and their experiences was often so far beyond expectations (in terms of GFE, how lovely / normal / unrushed the girls were), that they eventually turned into prolific mongers, some even moving here and becoming sexpats. Not a chance of it happening these days, with current selection and service.
Personally, if I came to Thailand anytime after 2010 or so, I wouldn't have ended up moving here. Bangkok offers plenty of reasons to stay (outside of PFP), but there would have been no strong draw to uproot and move.Yep, it sure was the opposite when I moved here 16 years ago. Now I know lots of younger dudes who I am convinced will never monger. It just isn't as attractive any more. And I am with you. I would not have moved here in 99 if it was how it is now. No way.
Crocodilexp
03-31-16, 04:08
any thoughts on what the endgame is for the girls these days? They don't seem to be really trying to snag a husband or sponsor and their ages are creeping up. How many gogo girls are really much over the 30 mark? Thais are known for not thinking about the future but seems like that is getting even worse regarding the girls. I can see that before the girl may save and buy some land or a house back in issan and move back, but is it just delusion that they think they can keep up the Bangkok lifestyle and the iphone6 somehow after they cross that 30 mark without any plan? No idea about high-end soapy massage girls, but unlike in the old days, majority of bargirls or freelancers these days are not the brightest of sparks making the best life decisions (to put it mildly). Many are basically leftovers from the heyday of the prostitution industry, if they had a viable endgame (e. G. Saved up some of their way-above-average earnings or took an opportunity to snag a punter interested in marriage), they would have already been out by now. Their plan may well be "live another day". If job market is good, at some point when prostitution earnings dwindle, a low-end job may become just attractive enough (at least more attractive than turning tricks for 300 baht at Sanam Luang).
Also, I think the mark is closer to 40 than 30. Sure, most agogo girls say they're in their 20's, but many are not.
Some PSE massage girls do have a clear plan. Ying from Tulip, for example, has her planned retirement date coming up this year, has built a decent house upcountry, presumably has some savings and even a steady decent (and somewhat well-off) boyfriend. Seems like she'll do well in civilian life.
As many have noted various reasons for the increase in price and decline in service, any thoughts on what the endgame is for the girls these days? They don't seem to be really trying to snag a husband or sponsor and their ages are creeping up. How many gogo girls are really much over the 30 mark? Thais are known for not thinking about the future but seems like that is getting even worse regarding the girls. I can see that before the girl may save and buy some land or a house back in issan and move back, but is it just delusion that they think they can keep up the Bangkok lifestyle and the iphone6 somehow after they cross that 30 mark without any plan? Maybe the have picked up the 1 week millionaire bug too many times?
Can use CC though so those frequent flyer miles mean all that much more. There.Only a small percentage of gogo girls are over 30 where I attend but they do exist.
I don't know what are the plans for the future of most, but I could do a survey in the future, and actually ask them.
One girl I knew well was building an expensive house so she worked hard, and was far more diligent than most. Eventually retired with a boyfriend. A few gogo girls have studies (not the norm) and so Gogo is supposedly temporary. Some had other jobs and work gogo sporadically to help pay the rent.
Some girls don't work much at all, so hard to see where they are headed. Can't really put all the girls in one basket, however there are plenty of single moms. There are plenty with no apparent obvious future unless the right man should show up to save them from it.
Many girls are too young to have even thought about their future much, I assume. Just mucking around.
Only a small percentage of gogo girls are over 30 where I attend but they do exist.
I don't know what are the plans for the future of most, but I could do a survey in the future, and actually ask them.
One girl I knew well was building an expensive house so she worked hard, and was far more diligent than most. Eventually retired with a boyfriend. A few gogo girls have studies (not the norm) and so Gogo is supposedly temporary. Some had other jobs and work gogo sporadically to help pay the rent.
Some girls don't work much at all, so hard to see where they are headed. Can't really put all the girls in one basket, however there are plenty of single moms. There are plenty with no apparent obvious future unless the right man should show up to save them from it.
Many girls are too young to have even thought about their future much, I assume. Just mucking around.I would say the average age of P4 P gals in BKK has skyrockted over the past 10 years. Yes, there are a very few venues where you find the early 20 somethings, but for the most part the age is up up up. Why? Because there is more opportunity these days. Now with the current regime will that hold? Your guess is as good as mine.
Franciscass
03-31-16, 08:51
I have lived here for over 15 years. During that period the price for P4 P on an inflation adjusted basis remain inexpensive. Prices at oilies and BJ bars are little changed. Some of the tiered rates at soapies are up and go go's are bad value for sure but across the spectrum of Bangkok's mongering universe overall prices have risen less than for example at restaurants or for health care services. Also it helps to know where to go to avoid hyped overpriced tourist traps.
As to the quality of looks and service of providers, this is highly subjective. I feel membership of the Grumpy Old Men's club, pussy fatigue and over familiarity may have a part to play in why some members feel it has gone down. For me a wander around the various Bangkok P4P venues day or night mostly turns up any number of delightful young ladies who give a good time at a reasonable price.
While still possible it's true no longer can one expect it to be the norm that a sweet passive compliant girl will suck an uncovered dick and have a load deposited in her mouth while pretending to be an enthusiastic girlfriend telling him how wonderful he is. For little more than the price of a good steak and a glass of wine she is no longer passive, meek and grateful a fat slob in a tank top who feels his money talks and entitles him to whatever he desires choose her to spend his money on. The world has changed dude, get used to it. Women are no longer in ignorance of the health issues involved in providing sexual services and rightly insist on taking precautions and control of their lives. True they are no longer as naive and innocent as they once were and approach their work with what might be described as a more professional touch. With their smart phones and apps they are more empowered and aware of their worth but that doesn't necessarily mean they are any less skilled or interested in getting you off and they are for this monger at least still the most beautiful and the best value on the planet.
Finnish Fucker
03-31-16, 10:19
I visited some of the soapies last week. First time for me to visit these places. Unfortunately I had only 1 day to check them so it was a bit rushed scouting and does not give full justice to the places.
1. La Belle: I arrived around 18 which was too early since the lineup was thin. I did not book anyone. Seemed like a nice big place.
2. Nataree: I went first through the "wrong" doors, and inside was about 15 girls in the fishbowl. I left and found the other door and the place was full of girls. Lined up like in Thermae bar. This place is busy and the papasan kept pushing some girls to me. I took a young white skinned girl to the room who seemed to have nice big tits. Well they were not that big when she removed her clothes but nevertheless OK. Standard wash and fuck, quite mechanical pattern and fake moaning from the girl. The quality of girls was Ok at Nataree, many young ones there.
3. Lord: This place is posh and I liked the way girls are sitting in the middle and the lightning is good so you can see what you are renting. Quality wise girls were on a good level. I did not fuck anyone due to lack of time.
4. Emmanuelle: This place was also quite good, lineup below Lord but some looked like worth fucking.
5. Annies: Well this place is what it is, no need for further analyze.
I also briefly visited Addict massage which is an oily massage. Decent lineup not no one stood up from the crowd. Same with Mango and EZ massage, only a handful of plain girls.
Next time in Bangkok I will invest more time for visiting these soapies.
-FF.
Not even remotely close to the likes of Artemis FKK, there are a few local such saunas. One such is Silom Sauna. Its in the back roads of Rama 4 in Thung Maha Mek, Sathon.
It is frequented by Korean clientS mainly but has the closest version for what you may be looking for. English is not spoken here so come prepared accordingly!Found out last Feb There is another branch on Soi 22, Sukhumvit Soi 22 (about midway between Sukhumvit and Rama 4) with similar layout. Entry 200, from 12-24. Entry is BHT200 with complimentary fruit, soft drink. You can also order other food and drink.
Girls on the ground floor to choose from to do the massage HBT300 and BHT1000 for FS with the right girl of your choice.
But the good thing about it, the mamasan will show you if you ask her a much better selection of younger nicer looking girls on her Phone to choose from where you can take out ST for about at HBT 3000.
I would say the average age of P4 P gals in BKK has skyrockted over the past 10 years. Yes, there are a very few venues where you find the early 20 somethings, but for the most part the age is up up up. Why? Because there is more opportunity these days. Now with the current regime will that hold? Your guess is as good as mine.I think sky rocketed is an exaggeration, however I am biased due to not frequenting places full of old fatties or simply ignoring them. I tend to focus on the top few girls, if can find them, and ignore the rest. One reason for average age going up is the 16 year olds have been cleared out. LOL Seems girls are supposed to be at least 20 now.
I only go with one bargirl that is well over 30, but she has body in superb shape. Better than many of the young ones. I don't really care how old the girl is if she has maintained a good body, and face has not become haggard. Unfortunately many Thai girls have let themselves go or allowed themselves to get pregnant and have a baby causing significant body degradation in many cases. I don't refer so much to minor stretch marks (if minor), but more to running to fat, saggy ass, and deflated saggy tit bags. Tight non saggy bodies with pretty natural faces work for turning me on best.
Well put. I meet newbies here almost every week. Guys on holiday who strike up a conversation in a restaurant or at a bar. We hang out together for much of the time they spend here. It's fun. Many of them are younger, better looking, more charming, smarter and in a dozen other ways the kind of guys you wouldn't think would hit too many glitches in a P4 P haven like Bangkok. But without exception, by their third night here they have a story to tell about getting ripped off by a bargirl, wasting a ton of money in a Massage Shop or Soapy for crap service or even no acceptable service at all. This is unsolicited on my part. I promise you I never "lead the witness" in this regard. I am all positive and optimism on their first visit to the LOS.
I am probably anti social but I don't see great need to hang out with newbies and wonder where is the fun seeing them make the same mistakes everyone else did. Makes me cringe when a pushy girl collars a newbie and he is too polite to get rid of her quickly or at least ignore her.
My number one rule, is I get to choose the girl very carefully (if she will have me as well). The girl acting very keen very quickly (not real of course) is not going to work or impress me, unless I preferred her anyway.
I am probably anti social but I don't see great need to hang out with newbiesMe too, sorry to say. No entertainment value in watching new arrivals make the same old mistakes time after time. At least when I make a mistake these days I like to think that it's a brand new one.
Even worse are the guys who've been here six months and have got it All Figured Out. It's just when you think that you've really worked what Thailand and the Thais are all about that you're likely to do something really dumb.
For all the information that's available these days, even forums like these, people have to make their own mistakes. That's how you learn.
Crocodilexp
04-01-16, 08:04
I think sky rocketed is an exaggerationAverage age in the general population of Thailand went from 24 in 1990 to 30 in 2000 to 38 now. I'd call that skyrocketing. I wouldn't be surprised if the average age of hookers went up even faster than that.
Crocodilexp
04-01-16, 08:06
HBT300 and BHT1000Sorry if I'm not familiar with the acronyms, what's HBT and BHT?
Average age in the general population of Thailand went from 24 in 1990 to 30 in 2000 to 38 now. I'd call that skyrocketing. I wouldn't be surprised if the average age of hookers went up even faster than that.Yep, the population pyramid inverted here in '94. And I stick by my statement. The average age of P4 P gals has skyrocketed.
Sorry if I'm not familiar with the acronyms, what's HBT and BHT?Same thing as (THB) https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=thai+baht&biw=1024&bih=665&tbm=isch&tbo=you&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0 ahUKEwjousvpo-3 LAhXKVRQKHS2 dDqAQsAQIPw.
Sorry if I'm not familiar with the acronyms, what's HBT and BHT?
Found out last Feb There is another branch on Soi 22, Sukhumvit Soi 22 (about midway between Sukhumvit and Rama 4) with similar layout. Entry 200, from 12-24. Entry is BHT200 with complimentary fruit, soft drink. You can also order other food and drink.
Girls on the ground floor to choose from to do the massage HBT300 and BHT1000 for FS with the right girl of your choice.
But the good thing about it, the mamasan will show you if you ask her a much better selection of younger nicer looking girls on her Phone to choose from where you can take out ST for about at HBT 3000.Looks like a typo from Jojosun (possibly).
Currency of thailand is the Thai Baht. Official money market abbreviation is THB but some people us BHT. So 300 Baht for a massage and 1000 Baht for full service.
Looks like a typo from Jojosun (possibly).
Currency of thailand is the Thai Baht. Official money market abbreviation is THB but some people us BHT. So 300 Baht for a massage and 1000 Baht for full service.Bank of Thailand uses Baht when translated to its currency so BHT would be the correct one?
I am probably anti social but I don't see great need to hang out with newbies and wonder where is the fun seeing them make the same mistakes everyone else did. Makes me cringe when a pushy girl collars a newbie and he is too polite to get rid of her quickly or at least ignore her.
My number one rule, is I get to choose the girl very carefully (if she will have me as well). The girl acting very keen very quickly (not real of course) is not going to work or impress me, unless I preferred her anyway.I wouldn't say I have a "great need" to hang with newbies either. Just that it is commonplace to find yourself in a venue, have someone strike up a casual conversation and for some of them to be newbies while some of them are old hands who have been vacationing or living here for years. Along the way, the newbies might be more interested in asking basic questions and my general rule with regard to P4 P topics is to only give basic info; that is a BJ Bar, they are definitely feeelancers, those are probably Coyotes, that kind of thing.
The only time I might interject an opinion that is not a basic answer to a direct question, if any, is if I see them about to do something that would no doubt add harmful downsides to the scene overall, such as the time a guy looked at me when a manasan asked for all of a go-go girl's money to be paid upfront in the bar. He didn't ask exactly, just shot a look at me. So my interjection was something like, "Well, it's up to you, but it isn't something I would do because. " and gave him a few good reasons why that would be a bad idea.
Found out last Feb There is another branch on Soi 22, Sukhumvit Soi 22 (about midway between Sukhumvit and Rama 4) with similar layout. Entry 200, from 12-24. Entry is BHT200 with complimentary fruit, soft drink. You can also order other food and drink.
Girls on the ground floor to choose from to do the massage HBT300 and BHT1000 for FS with the right girl of your choice.
But the good thing about it, the mamasan will show you if you ask her a much better selection of younger nicer looking girls on her Phone to choose from where you can take out ST for about at HBT 3000.I just have a few questions about the sauna. Is there just a sauna, or is there a cold pool and hut tub also? I like to do the really hot to really cold cycle. Helps with injuries and joint pain. And do you just do your thing in the sauna first, and then ask about a massage when your ready to pick your girl? Is the price set at 1000 for favorite, or did you negotiate that? Do you pick the girl from a fishbowl kind of scenario? Also, how do the girls look?
There is a place that I go to in Ratchada, but I don't know the name. It's right across the parking lot from Taragon. They have a fishbowl on the right when you walk in, but to the left is the sauna side and locker rooms. Its 180 baht and they provide everything needed (shorts and towels) along with fresh fruit and tea. There is a little gym if you feel like getting your heart rate up. They have a sauna, steam, cold pool, and hot pool. They are extremely hot and cold, which I like. They also have a barbershop and legit massage. I have never partaken in the fishbowl girls there, so I don't know prices. The girls look a bit older, mostly 30 ies maybe. But they look good enough in my opinion. The only reason I don't partake there is because I always go to this place with friends that aren't really into the P4P scene (at least that I know of). So I keep my extracurricular activities to myself.
Franciscass
04-02-16, 13:46
Yep, the population pyramid inverted here in '94. And I stick by my statement. The average age of P4 P gals has skyrocketed.One shouldn't confuse the median age of workers in a particular profession with the median age of the population. While there is undoubtedly a marginal contribution within a particular profession the number and age of new entrants set against the number and age of retirees and the relative weightings of each is what is statistically most important.
Additionally within the P4P demographic there are different segments. The median age within the go go and soapie segments from my own observations has not gone up. There has been some increase in the oilie scene but from a relatively low base and they are disproportionately concentrated in particular tourist orientated parts of the city such as Lower Sukhumvit. Free lancers were always older than the average and have probably become more so. Where the older ladies are most concentrated are at BJ bars and regular massage shops.
Most Thais now complete grade 6, this along with greater enforcement of the penalties in hiring [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) girls has probably meant the average age of new entrants is higher. Another contributing factor is that during the past decade a lot of the younger more accomplished practitioners have gone overseas to the Gulf, Korea Singapore Hong Kong etc.
So I would yes the average age has gone up but not by a lot and only in certain segments.
One shouldn't confuse the median age of workers in a particular profession with the median age of the population. While there is undoubtedly a marginal contribution within a particular profession the number and age of new entrants set against the number and age of retirees and the relative weightings of each is what is statistically most important.
Additionally within the P4P demographic there are different segments. The median age within the go go and soapie segments from my own observations has not gone up. There has been some increase in the oilie scene but from a relatively low base and they are disproportionately concentrated in particular tourist orientated parts of the city such as Lower Sukhumvit. Free lancers were always older than the average and have probably become more so. Where the older ladies are most concentrated are at BJ bars and regular massage shops.
Most Thais now complete grade 6, this along with greater enforcement of the penalties in hiring girls has probably meant the average age of new entrants is higher. Another contributing factor is that during the past decade a lot of the younger more accomplished practitioners have gone overseas to the Gulf, Korea Singapore Hong Kong etc.
So I would yes the average age has gone up but not by a lot and only in certain segments.I would say the GoGo and FL segments have seen quite an increase in age over the last 15 years. And age is not the only thing increasing, weight is as well.
I have lived here for over 15 years. During that period the price for P4 P on an inflation adjusted basis remain inexpensive. Prices at oilies and BJ bars are little changed. Some of the tiered rates at soapies are up and go go's are bad value for sure but across the spectrum of Bangkok's mongering universe overall prices have risen less than for example at restaurants or for health care services. Also it helps to know where to go to avoid hyped overpriced tourist traps.
As to the quality of looks and service of providers, this is highly subjective. I feel membership of the Grumpy Old Men's club, pussy fatigue and over familiarity may have a part to play in why some members feel it has gone down. For me a wander around the various Bangkok P4P venues day or night mostly turns up any number of delightful young ladies who give a good time at a reasonable price.
While still possible it's true no longer can one expect it to be the norm that a sweet passive compliant girl will suck an uncovered dick and have a load deposited in her mouth while pretending to be an enthusiastic girlfriend telling him how wonderful he is. For little more than the price of a good steak and a glass of wine she is no longer passive, meek and grateful a fat slob in a tank top who feels his money talks and entitles him to whatever he desires choose her to spend his money on. The world has changed dude, get used to it. Women are no longer in ignorance of the health issues involved in providing sexual services and rightly insist on taking precautions and control of their lives. True they are no longer as naive and innocent as they once were and approach their work with what might be described as a more professional touch. With their smart phones and apps they are more empowered and aware of their worth but that doesn't necessarily mean they are any less skilled or interested in getting you off and they are for this monger at least still the most beautiful and the best value on the planet.Soapies and oilies are still decent values. I agree with you there. Yes, looks is quite subjective and the longer one is here I think the more one's eye "changes. " Had one friend's wife remark that when Farangs first come here, "their eyes don't work. " I kind of agree with that statement. I am not at all attracted to the hard Isaan look. Personally I started to have a bit of a hard time finding what I like in the looks department after about 5 or 6 yrs here. That has only gotten worse. When I am strolling around Paragon, Central World, or a market like Artbox on the weekends I see scads of gals I find very attractive. Some just unreal hot natives and Chinese and Korean tourists. In the P4 P realm very few these days do it for me. The biggest difference I find is in weight however. I used to be able to find gals with rocking bodies everywhere, but fast food and crap food from 7-11 has put quite the damper on that. As far as "compliant" gals, that might be some dude's game, but it certainly is not mine. I like gals who are fun, have dirty minds, are highly skilled, and love sex or at least are good actresses. They have always been few and far between in the P4 P industry in Thailand and there are even fewer these days. "Professional touch?" I wish. Professionals are always honing their skill set and striving to do a better job. Again, few and far between, especially when it comes to the real lookers here. While I have had some great professionals in the oilies, most of the myriad of experiences over my 15 plus years here have been just ok. To warrant the money some of the gals are asking these days the experience needs to be better than ok. As several of us have stated on here, when you are dropping the kind of money you have to now then you don't want to worry about what kind of service you are going to get. You want that guaranteed. Leaving with the thought you wasted your time and your money is not a very good feeling. I have never thought that Thai women were the most beautiful on the planet, but they were plentiful, it was easy, and inexpensive. And BKK as a place to live was incredible value for money.
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