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AmeyWhitner
04-02-16, 22:49
Need suggestions on oily's on Sukhumvit road.
I just have a few questions about the sauna. Is there just a sauna, or is there a cold pool and hut tub also? I like to do the really hot to really cold cycle. Helps with injuries and joint pain. And do you just do your thing in the sauna first, and then ask about a massage when your ready to pick your girl? Is the price set at 1000 for favorite, or did you negotiate that? Do you pick the girl from a fishbowl kind of scenario? Also, how do the girls look?
T.I was taking a walk around Soi 22 when I stumbled upon this place.
It does have a very Hot Sauna, hot tub, a a cold plunge pool, also a Swimming pool, a small gym.
200 THB is for the use of the facilities above. 300 THB for massage and the use of the room, you pick the girls from the ones sitting around.
1000 THB or BHT is for FS if the girl is to your liking, no need to negotiate.
The whole package including iced teas, big plates of fresh fruit and other Thai drinks comes to 1500. You can also order other Hot Thai food at 60 THB per serving.
No stunner there but good enough and very doable. The Mamasan will show you on her Phone if you ask her, much better looking girls and younger at a higher price.
There is a better new place in the basement where Plaza is located, total cost there 2500.
Franciscass
04-03-16, 13:16
I would say the GoGo and FL segments have seen quite an increase in age over the last 15 years. And age is not the only thing increasing, weight is as well.Agree on weight. The Lancet's recent survey of changes in BMI shows a marked increase worldwide and Thailand was no exception. While there are still lots of great bodies there is no plausible argument to suggest those in the P4P business are immune to this trend and it is especially true in the more mature demographic. Personally I don't mind a little conditioning but the belly has to be reasonably flattish. Unfortunately lots of times this is where the extra weight begins to show up first.
Agree on weight. The Lancet's recent survey of changes in BMI shows a marked increase worldwide and Thailand was no exception. While there are still lots of great bodies there is no plausible argument to suggest those in the P4P business are immune to this trend and it is especially true in the more mature demographic. Personally I don't mind a little conditioning but the belly has to be reasonably flattish. Unfortunately lots of times this is where the extra weight begins to show up first.Yep, seems it goes right to the mis-section of most. I would not mind it if some of it went to the posterior.
1000 THB or BHT is for FS if the girl is to your liking, no need to negotiate.
Very good, tickled my sense of humour. .
Hey will in bkk from 20th I usually go to Ez and bamboo and that's about it. Usually ask mamasan for recommendation for the girl, never had a problem with ez want to try something new or some girl you guys recommend with great service. Please help me here guys.
Hey will in bkk from 20th I usually go to Ez and bamboo and that's about it. Usually ask mamasan for recommendation for the girl, never had a problem with ez want to try something new or some girl you guys recommend with great service. Please help me here guys.I suggest that you try going for ladies who recommend themselves to you by showing you signs that they want to go with you. And if several ladies are recommending themselves to you, then you should choose the one who is more enthusiastic about it.
Because these ladies aren't just flirting. They really mean to do it with you. And this means that the lady probably won't change her attitude with you, when she goes to the private room with you.
It's only in Western countries a lot women flirt, without any intention to deliver on their non-verbal promises. And that's why you can't trust this kind of behavior there.
But it's a totally different situation, when the lady fully intends to do it with you. Because her imagination is already full of your penetration, when she thinks that you will accept her invitation. Her level of enthusiasm is a pretty good indication of how much she psyched herself up to do it with you.
I've tried it both ways, doing it with ladies recommended to me by others, and doing it with ladies who recommended themselves to me. And my experiences have always been much better, when I went for ladies who recommended themselves to me.
Franciscass
04-04-16, 14:43
I suggest that you try going for ladies who recommend themselves to you by showing you signs that they want to go with you. You should choose the one who is more enthusiastic about it.
Because these ladies aren't just flirting. They really mean to do it with you. And this means that the lady probably won't change her attitude with you, when she goes to the private room with you.That's usually when I wake up and head to the kitchen for my morning tea and toast.
There is a better new place in the basement where Plaza is located, total cost there 2500.Which Plaza are you referring to? Crown Plaza, Park Plaza, Plaza Athenee, or some other hotel or location? Is the sauna / spa similar to this one? Many of the "saunas" are for gay activities, not for this forum.
I haven't seen Natalie but just thinking about my last session with Cash gives me a boner. Can't wait to see her again!! Nooknik is also good, she's a little bit heavy but very dirty.
I was in Thailand in September, I was in Bangkok and sent Momay a couple of 'lines' to see if she was available. I missed her in Bangkok but she messaged me back when I was in Pattaya and came down for an evening. At that time she was working in Sky Massage at around Suk Soi 40. Momay is ALWAYS worth a visit.Cash is not working anymore. Just acting as the mamasan. Nooknik is dirty and fun, but the baby damage is just way too much for me.
Crocodilexp
04-05-16, 06:48
I suggest that you try going for ladies who recommend themselves to you...
But it's a totally different situation, when the lady fully intends to do it with you. Because her imagination is already full of your penetration...In my experience, being overenthusiastic in the lineup is not correlated to a better experience, just to how extroverted her personality is. In Thai culture, being a bit demure / reserved and not pushy is seen as a good thing, so many ladies don't show obvious eagerness or much interest in the lineup, but still do a good job. One thing that is important, though, is not to take a woman who shows obvious signs of NOT liking you (like pointedly looking away, digging into her phone). That rarely goes well, unless you're very sociable, but even then you have an uphill task.
At the choosing point, her imagination is only full of baht. Women in general are not as despearate for cock as we are for pussy, and oily girls get 2-5 clients a day, much less so. If she doesn't know you, I can 100% guarantee she's not that enthusiastic about the encounter, unless you're a celebrity. If you're a repeat customer, she might look forward to another easy / pleasant / fun session, but even then there's not that much to be excited about.
In my experience, being overenthusiastic in the lineup is not correlated to a better experience, just to how extroverted her personality is. In Thai culture, being a bit demure / reserved and not pushy is seen as a good thing, so many ladies don't show obvious eagerness or much interest in the lineup, but still do a good job. One thing that is important, though, is not to take a woman who shows obvious signs of NOT liking you (like pointedly looking away, digging into her phone). That rarely goes well, unless you're very sociable, but even then you have an uphill task.
At the choosing point, her imagination is only full of baht. Women in general are not as desperate for cock as we are for pussy, and oily girls get 2-5 clients a day, much less so. If she doesn't know you, I can 100% guarantee she's not that enthusiastic about the encounter, unless you're a celebrity. If you're a repeat customer, she might look forward to another easy / pleasant / fun session, but even then there's not that much to be excited about.A few points I'd like to add based on my experiences in soapies.
1. Over enthusiasm (lots of forced smiling, obvious gestures of affection) can lead to very bad (bordering scam level) experiences. In my experience, forced enthusiasm equates to "no doggy style," CBJ, rushed service. And by the time it's over, you can tell they really dislike you overall. I find these women to be rather callous. They're enthusiasm isn't stemming from wanting to fuck, it's from wanting to screw you out of your money. And their enthusiasm and care-free attitude is enabled by management, who lets them get away with low service. If management is allowing this, then usually most all the girls are low quality service (sex tourist traps like cupidy, sabai dee in pattaya).
2. Typically if they are shouting / talking to me in a soapy, it's a BAD sign. They are mercenary and see fresh meat. If they are really animated, they are on drugs (which isn't a bad thing per se, it actually leads to decent bed performance, but expect a lot of up sells and nearly coercive demands for tips).
3. Subtle bedroom eye contact enthusiasm is the best. It's hard to fake, and people don't try to lie that hard as to get this wrong. You know within 1 second if the girl is at least mildly interested on very initial impression.
4. Any initial, reactionary lack of eye contact. Lack of maintaining eye contact for the first initial eye contact is a deal breaker for me. I just don't get turned on by awkward encounters where I know the girl just hates being the the room with me. It's a real experience killer for me. And as Crocodilexp said well, it's an uphill battle.
Generally, just normal eye contact and normal smiles. Nothing too long, no smiles too big. Definitely no to aggressive women who are talking from their chair and cracking witty adlib like "tick tock tick tock" while you are choosing.
As for women "craving the cock". Women like sex as much as men, so certainly. And working in a brothel all day makes them horny. So horny that they can't wait to get home and fuck their boy friends. Any man who even walks inside those doors as a customer is seen as low status and therefore not exactly a very strong aphrodisiac to them. Yeah they're horny, but the guys coming in (solo falangs, socially awkward Japanese sex tourists, older thai men with money) are all very low status / undesirable to them to "crave".
Cash is not working anymore. Just acting as the mamasanNooooooooooooo. This was the case on my first visit to bongkot but for my second visit she was back working full on and she was fantastic!!
Robert Long
04-05-16, 19:52
Nooooooooooooo. This was the case on my first visit to bongkot but for my second visit she was back working full on and she was fantastic!!When I went to BongKot there were only 7 ladies. Cash was dressed and playing Mamasan. I looked at the girls and then asked Cash if she was available and she said sure. Great 90 minutes. I like her body nice and tight athletic type. Lots of energy.
RL.
When I went to BongKot there were only 7 ladies. Cash was dressed and playing Mamasan. I looked at the girls and then asked Cash if she was available and she said sure. Great 90 minutes. I like her body nice and tight athletic type. Lots of energy.
RL.Nice! She told me the other night that she was playing mamasan and had been for awhile. Did not push the issue. Next time I will.
Thanks bro for the advice, usually when I go to Ez I check out the lineup and the go for the one I like or who is recommended by mamasan never had a problem with the service. Infact last time my friend came out with the biggest smile he could ever have telling me he got raped in all positions haha. Can you help me with location of bongkot will try cash there if she is available.
I suggest that you try going for ladies who recommend themselves to you by showing you signs that they want to go with you. And if several ladies are recommending themselves to you, then you should choose the one who is more enthusiastic about it.
Because these ladies aren't just flirting. They really mean to do it with you. And this means that the lady probably won't change her attitude with you, when she goes to the private room with you.
It's only in Western countries a lot women flirt, without any intention to deliver on their non-verbal promises. And that's why you can't trust this kind of behavior there.
But it's a totally different situation, when the lady fully intends to do it with you. Because her imagination is already full of your penetration, when she thinks that you will accept her invitation. Her level of enthusiasm is a pretty good indication of how much she psyched herself up to do it with you.
I've tried it both ways, doing it with ladies recommended to me by others, and doing it with ladies who recommended themselves to me. And my experiences have always been much better, when I went for ladies who recommended themselves to me.
I would somehow agree on the no eye contact part and me and my friend got ripped at sabai Dee in pattaya, worst experience of my life, the girl was bad in the room I chose her for her looks, but this is not happening again, 5 minutes of air bed 15 minutes of sex and out I was wondering wth just happened and to top it off my friend was put in 25 minutes. I did complain to the mgmt as we took some expensive girls in.
At EZ mamasan somehow recognizes me so if I ask her she gets me what I want. I used love a girl there called bobo not working there no more but wish I could have her again.
A few points I'd like to add based on my experiences in soapies.
1. Over enthusiasm (lots of forced smiling, obvious gestures of affection) can lead to very bad (bordering scam level) experiences. In my experience, forced enthusiasm equates to "no doggy style," CBJ, rushed service. And by the time it's over, you can tell they really dislike you overall. I find these women to be rather callous. They're enthusiasm isn't stemming from wanting to fuck, it's from wanting to screw you out of your money. And their enthusiasm and care-free attitude is enabled by management, who lets them get away with low service. If management is allowing this, then usually most all the girls are low quality service (sex tourist traps like cupidy, sabai dee in pattaya).
2. Typically if they are shouting / talking to me in a soapy, it's a BAD sign. They are mercenary and see fresh meat. If they are really animated, they are on drugs (which isn't a bad thing per se, it actually leads to decent bed performance, but expect a lot of up sells and nearly coercive demands for tips).
3. Subtle bedroom eye contact enthusiasm is the best. It's hard to fake, and people don't try to lie that hard as to get this wrong. You know within 1 second if the girl is at least mildly interested on very initial impression.
4. Any initial, reactionary lack of eye contact. Lack of maintaining eye contact for the first initial eye contact is a deal breaker for me. I just don't get turned on by awkward encounters where I know the girl just hates being the the room with me. It's a real experience killer for me. And as Crocodilexp said well, it's an uphill battle.
Generally, just normal eye contact and normal smiles. Nothing too long, no smiles too big. Definitely no to aggressive women who are talking from their chair and cracking witty adlib like "tick tock tick tock" while you are choosing.
As for women "craving the cock". Women like sex as much as men, so certainly. And working in a brothel all day makes them horny. So horny that they can't wait to get home and fuck their boy friends. Any man who even walks inside those doors as a customer is seen as low status and therefore not exactly a very strong aphrodisiac to them. Yeah they're horny, but the guys coming in (solo falangs, socially awkward Japanese sex tourists, older thai men with money) are all very low status / undesirable to them to "crave".
Dr BJ's Nuru will be closed for the next few days for upgrading work to be done on the plumbing and electrical systems. As it is now low season it is an ideal time to carry this out. We anticipate this being completed in a few days.
Regards,
BJ
Dr BJ's Nuru will be closed for the next few days for upgrading work to be done on the plumbing and electrical systems. As it is now low season it is an ideal time to carry this out. We anticipate this being completed in a few days.
Regards,
BJDoes it have anything to do with this report posted yesterday in the Bangkok thread:
Sone sort of police crackdown in Bangkok tonight. Dr BJ Nuru was raided and closed by the cops and the rest of the Soi was in a right state. I spent the early part of the evening at Magic Table and for most of the time I was the only customer and playing pool with the girls in their street clothes. At one stage I thought I was going to have to barfine the whole crew (4 of them) and they were certainly all all over me like a rash. But later things quietnened down and I had a very happy session with just two.
Then later while recovering with a couple of beers back at one of the bars outside Nana there were suddenly police everywhere and all the girls in the Nana car park disappeared.
Anyone know what is going on?SL.
JustFishing
04-06-16, 17:31
I visited this full service massage parlor back in 2007 which still bring back memories but unfortunately not the name. My taxi driver took me to this massage parlor which was in an independent building in a large compound. It was on a main street but seemed very removed from the crowded parts of Bangkok. The place itself was very plush and well maintained. As you entered, the fish bowl was right in front with about 15-20 decent looking young women and the side-liners sitting on the right.
I picked this cute slim thing called Apple from the fishbowl and walked ahead to the fish bowl. We then went ahead to a large maintained room with its own tub and double bed. She proceeded to undress me and then herself before soaping me up in the tub. After some decent foreplay, we moved to the bed where she gave me a terrific massage followed by some DFK and a brief BBJ. She then proceeded to strap on a cover and we spent the next 10 minutes or so doing the horizontal mambo.
It was fun because other girls would walk in a few times to smile and giggle. She told me that they praised my looks which is always an ego boost. I bet they say that to all their patrons. Had a long chat with her. She turned out to be really young -- only 19, from Chiang Mai, with a boyfriend who knew how she earned her money. It was all too strange for me. In spite of this, Apple had still retained an innocent charm about her.
One thing that disturbed me though was that she confided that Indians (I'm Indian) had earned a bad rep in Thailand for 2 things-- bad body odor (which she confirmed I didn't have) and for bargaining too hard. For my Indian friends, reading this post, just FYI, this is the baggage we have to overcome.
To everyone else, I would really appreciate if you could help me with the name of the place. I know my clues have been too generic but who knows, something might ring a bell.
Hi guys and Seniors,
There seems to be so much action here! A year long mongering experience in India has made me true believer of one thing. I have a thing for Thai girls! They are friendly, hot and they know their shit. So I have decided to start my backpacking trip with a mongering tour of BKK and explore different options available here.
Although I have done enough research over the internet but nothing can beat a senior ISGians advice when it comes to best mongering advice for having Gudfun. I will reach BKK on 12th April and I am looking forward to meet fellow ISGians to seek their advice and discover places that give great bang for bucks (literally) with them or alone.
Any kind soul who doesn't mind sharing his wealth of knowledge and experience to a fellow monger please PM me and we can take it forward from there. I guarantee you Gudfun when you are in India (Indian girls are not bad either).
Message me to fix up a tour together or just to give a good advice which is not already there on the forum.
Thanks in advance,
GudFun!
I had a dream that I went to Miss BJ's last week, on soi 22. There were only 2 women working at 1 pm. They said more were coming later. I took a girl (seniors can PM me for name) who looked nothing like her photoshopped pictures on the site. Obvious face plastic surgery as well, as her face just didn't look correctly proportioned anymore. But she was still kind of hot though. In the room, she was very neurotic acting and didn't speak much. I thought she didn't speak English but it was really just her neurosis. There was lots of obvious baby damage that was clearly air brushed out of the website / menu pictures. Her age was also obviously adjusted drastically from reality, by about 4-5 years and 2-3 kids.
Bad service:
-No foreplay and NO ball massage as advertised. Just a lame oil massage followed by flip and again no foreplay on the flip. Just some 1 minute leg massage and going right to junior.
-Lots of tissue usage, she was wiping everything she could like she was trying to avoid the bubonic plague (incidentally I was just tested last week and am 100% free of STDs, never even had one before).
-Would not let me touch her, and made sure to position herself far away during the flip. Not the slightest bit of sensuality, all very scripted and mechanical. Even went so far as to close up and cover her chest with her hands for some reason.
-Ended up with 30 minutes of service despite paying for an hour.
Some pro's:
-Her hand technique was somewhat okay actually. I've certainly seen worst, like in places where there is no training and they just yank on it too quickly / hard. But her hand technique, for a place that advertises ball massage (where one expects decent shaft technique as well), was 4/10.
Would I repeat?
-Only if I can see the women outside first. I was walking by and had good raport with a very good looking one a few weeks ago and was hoping to see her there, but she doesn't work early which is when I wanted to go.
Bottom line: Objectively, this provider is just bad quality service. And the photos and listed age are so far from reality (again, just being objective here). Any place can have a single/few bad providers though, so more in depth reports are needed. There was a report awhile ago about "Bee" being super good, but she longer works there.
Franciscass
04-07-16, 07:01
Does it have anything to do with this report posted yesterday in the Bangkok thread:
SL.How unkind Sunlover. Of course not, it's just a coincidence. Is it conceivable Annie's might do the same to deal with their A / C problems seeing as how it's the low season and after it's finished it would make such a difference to the experience some of our members find so wonderful there. Here's hoping.
Some other poster suggested Catherines as a good alternative to Nataree a couple weeks ago. I had the chance to check it out earlier this week. Not bad! It's a bit out of the way, for sure (not near any BTS or MRT, and getting a cab back home is a little tough), but the selection was impressive. Not as good as Nataree, but when I was there, there were at least 30-40 girls, all decent. They were all fair-skinned, so I'm assuming Catherine's specializes in Northern / Chiang Mai / Rai girls. Anyways, it's worth checking out if you are interested in something new. There's a fishbowl and sideliners, but both are roughly the same price (around 2000 baht). The sideliners weren't noticeably prettier, but definitely taller. I don't think they get many farangs, cause they seemed surprised to see me.
ShangHangin
04-07-16, 18:09
With a local work colleague, at his recommendation, went to Victoria Secret. The place is off the beaten path off Rama 9Rd. (card attached). I was the only farang in the place. My colleague said it was a local club. It has a two story parking lot on the back side that was full, so they seem to have a large stable of girls. Nice fish bowl with 1900 be and 2100 be girls on the ground floor. 2500 be in the lounge up stairs. You pay at the cashier, then up the lift for a massage, BBBJ, DATY, FS, CIM and finish up with a tub session - 2 hours session. I choose a 1900 be girl, not a bit of english, but she performed well. They take cash and CC.
Eric Swiss
04-08-16, 09:19
Having banged 19 different girls from Addict, I am well chuffed that they just opened a spinoff today. It is called Amethyst and is located on Sukhumvit Soi 33, not far from Sukhumvit according to my girl (Amy, an old flame). That's about 5 minutes walk from Phrom Phong BTS station.
You get 10% off for the first week, which starts today. Apparently the rooms have a purple theme to them and are brand new. All the Addict girls went to visit this morning, and Amy was very excited about it. I think it is a testimony to the success of the Addict business model that they are expanding. It will relieve some of the congestion in the lobby at rush hour. Same boss, so we can expect same type of offering. One good thing is that Amethyst will remain open during Songkran, whereas Addict is closed.
Who will write the first review?
I was taking a walk around Soi 22 when I stumbled upon this place.
It does have a very Hot Sauna, hot tub, a a cold plunge pool, also a Swimming pool, a small gym.
200 THB is for the use of the facilities above. 300 THB for massage and the use of the room, you pick the girls from the ones sitting around.
1000 THB or BHT is for FS if the girl is to your liking, no need to negotiate.
The whole package including iced teas, big plates of fresh fruit and other Thai drinks comes to 1500. You can also order other Hot Thai food at 60 THB per serving.
No stunner there but good enough and very doable. The Mamasan will show you on her Phone if you ask her, much better looking girls and younger at a higher price.
There is a better new place in the basement where Plaza is located, total cost there 2500.Which Plaza? E&C didn't show up in my post above, It refers to Plaza Entertainment Complex. I can't remember the name of the new place as I only had a quick look in there, time poor.
Address: 1543/1-5, Soi New Petchburi 39, New Petchburi Road, Makkasan, Khet Ratchathewi, Bangkok.
Very good massage by Rose at Silom Sauna. A MILF early 30's who is up to FS as well at THB or BHT1000.
Does it have anything to do with this report posted yesterday in the Bangkok thread:
SL.The visit by the police was arranged by us We ask the police to come in at a random time to conduct drug tests on the ladies as well as doing testing ourselves. The fact that Nuru was closed for the next 2 and a half days was coincidental. As I already pointed out it was for essential work on the plumbing and electrical systems.
Regards,
BJ
I took the BTS from Nana (where I was staying) to Phrom Phong and walked down to Snow White. I took Benz for an hour. Decent body, big fake tits. Once in the room she asked me how many times I was going to cum for her She smiled and asked, 5? A bit optimistic, I told her in an hour I'd give her two. We started w / a BBBJ, and she rimmed the heck out of me. I've had girls lick my asshole before, which I find feels good, she was sucking it. It really didn't feel that great, but I let her go as she was jerking me off while doing it. She asked if I wanted a finger in my ass. I've never had it and she said "prostate. Good". So I gave it a try as some guys really like it. Turns out, it's not for me. She was blowing me w / a finger in my ass. It hurt and it made me feel like I was going to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in her mouth. I found no extra pleasure in it. We then went cowboy, mish, then finished doggy. We took a shower, then she gave me a massage. She started jerking me off again then we went cowgirl, doggy, mish, lazy-doggy (anal), then I tits-fucked her and came on her tits. She was fun. I normally don't like fake tits, but she made my selection a good one. She said she was going home for a month starting in a few days so be aware she may be gone soon.
I took the BTS from Nana (where I was staying) to Phrom Phong and walked down to Snow White. I took Benz for an hour.Nice report Tojo good call to learn the BTS system and broaden your massage shop horizons way better options available than walking across the street!
SL.
AssLover945
04-11-16, 04:40
I visited this full service massage parlor back in 2007 which still bring back memories but unfortunately not the name. My taxi driver took me to this massage parlor which was in an independent building in a large compound. It was on a main street but seemed very removed from the crowded parts of Bangkok. The place itself was very plush and well maintained. As you entered, the fish bowl was right in front with about 15-20 decent looking young women and the side-liners sitting on the right.
I picked this cute slim thing called Apple from the fishbowl and walked ahead to the fish bowl. We then went ahead to a large maintained room with its own tub and double bed. She proceeded to undress me and then herself before soaping me up in the tub. After some decent foreplay, we moved to the bed where she gave me a terrific massage followed by some DFK and a brief BBJ. She then proceeded to strap on a cover and we spent the next 10 minutes or so doing the horizontal mambo.
It was fun because other girls would walk in a few times to smile and giggle. She told me that they praised my looks which is always an ego boost. I bet they say that to all their patrons. Had a long chat with her. She turned out to be really young -- only 19, from Chiang Mai, with a boyfriend who knew how she earned her money. It was all too strange for me. In spite of this, Apple had still retained an innocent charm about her.
One thing that disturbed me though was that she confided that Indians (I'm Indian) had earned a bad rep in Thailand for 2 things-- bad body odor (which she confirmed I didn't have) and for bargaining too hard. For my Indian friends, reading this post, just FYI, this is the baggage we have to overcome.
To everyone else, I would really appreciate if you could help me with the name of the place. I know my clues have been too generic but who knows, something might ring a bell.It may have been Plaza entertainment. Most taxi drivers would take newbies there. And then there are a few others on the same road. Petchburi Road like Avita massage.
Having banged 19 different girls from Addict, I am well chuffed that they just opened a spinoff today. It is called Amethyst and is located on Sukhumvit Soi 33, not far from Sukhumvit according to my girl (Amy, an old flame). That's about 5 minutes walk from Phrom Phong BTS station.
You get 10% off for the first week, which starts today. Apparently the rooms have a purple theme to them and are brand new. All the Addict girls went to visit this morning, and Amy was very excited about it. I think it is a testimony to the success of the Addict business model that they are expanding. It will relieve some of the congestion in the lobby at rush hour. Same boss, so we can expect same type of offering. One good thing is that Amethyst will remain open during Songkran, whereas Addict is closed.
Who will write the first review?Hello all,
First review, and from this new place called Amethyst.
Indeed, there's a 10% discount for the first week of opening. Today being the 4th day since opening. Went there around 7 pm and only 6 ladies available (a lot were busy, I guess because a lot of shops are closed this week for Songkran). Fortunately, some cutes available, so I booked Miew for 2 h, nice young gal with a body that reminds me of an ex.
We get to the room, get undressed and shower. Wow! Exactly my type of body, not skinny, not fat, enough for my hands to play with and a nice rack.
For the kinky stuff, it was GFE and that suits me. Although she's young, she knows the job and doesn't make it mechanical. At times, it really felt like being with my ex.
Classical session, BBBJ, 69, pussy eating (seems sensitive), several position. Felt so good with her that I pretty much held it past the 2 h allowed. Then, a bit of cuddling, chit chat (I'm Thai but live abroad), shower and it was almost 2 h30.
All in all, great experience. I'd recommend the place.
With a local work colleague, at his recommendation, went to Victoria Secret. The place is off the beaten path off Rama 9Rd. (card attached). I was the only farang in the place. My colleague said it was a local club. It has a two story parking lot on the back side that was full, so they seem to have a large stable of girls. Nice fish bowl with 1900 be and 2100 be girls on the ground floor. 2500 be in the lounge up stairs. You pay at the cashier, then up the lift for a massage, BBBJ, DATY, FS, CIM and finish up with a tub session - 2 hours session. I choose a 1900 be girl, not a bit of english, but she performed well. They take cash and CC.
Some other poster suggested Catherines as a good alternative to Nataree a couple weeks ago. I had the chance to check it out earlier this week. Not bad! It's a bit out of the way, for sure (not near any BTS or MRT, and getting a cab back home is a little tough), but the selection was impressive. Not as good as Nataree, but when I was there, there were at least 30-40 girls, all decent. They were all fair-skinned, so I'm assuming Catherine's specializes in Northern / Chiang Mai / Rai girls. Anyways, it's worth checking out if you are interested in something new. There's a fishbowl and sideliners, but both are roughly the same price (around 2000 baht). The sideliners weren't noticeably prettier, but definitely taller. I don't think they get many farangs, cause they seemed surprised to see me.Bit of a coincidence, two separate reports from two separate posters about places just around the corner from each other. I think I'll check them both out some time.
Bit of a coincidence, two separate reports from two separate posters about places just around the corner from each other. I think I'll check them both out some time.Not trying to be a rabble-rouser or anything. But sometimes massages shops near each other have the same owner. Wouldn't be surprised if some of the reports here are more advertisement than reality.
But. I'd like to chime in and say I have been quite pleased with the Petcheburi shops in the past. Places like Meree and Avita have so much better service, on average, than the ratchada soapies.
Eric Swiss
04-12-16, 11:45
Hello all,
First review, and from this new place called Amethyst.
Indeed, there's a 10% discount for the first week of opening. Today being the 4th day since opening. Went there around 7 pm and only 6 ladies available (a lot were busy, I guess because a lot of shops are closed this week for Songkran). Fortunately, some cutes available, so I booked Miew for 2 h, nice young gal with a body that reminds me of an ex.Welcome to the Forum! You get the honor of being the first to review this new place. Obviously, I had to follow suit, so I will be the second.
It is located approximately 200 meters into Soi 33 when you come from Sukhumvit, on your right-hand side. Once you pass "The Office" bar, you know you're very close. The purple sign on the street is fairly eye-catching and recognizable.
Inside, I also found about 6 girls in the line-up. There was only one I fancied. She didn't make eye contact, which usually is a negative sign for me, but given it's the first week, I figured she'd make an effort to get the business going. And she did. Her name was Coffee. BTW, I got the 10% discount even without showing my voucher from Addict, so it's for everybody, but for a (very) limited time only.
Regarding Songkran, the girl from Addict (Amy) told me Addict would be closed from Wednesday to Friday, but Amethyst would be open. The girl from Amethyst (Coffee) told me the exact opposite: Amethyst closed during the three days of Songkran, Addict open. Go figure!
On another side note, Coffee told me that her friend who works in Nana said that Songkran had already started at Nana. So if you plan to go to Nana Entertainment Plaza tonight, you might get doused!
Anyway, inside it's pretty much the same deal as Addict, especially the post-renovation rooms that opened over the last year or so. Bathtub rooms are exactly identical. Shower rooms I suspect are a bit better, but did not try. Girls have that nice little uniform.
Coffee is hot. She is pretty young by my standards, I would say 23-24. I know everything about 28-30 year old girls, and I could tell the difference. Everything was more bouncy. She is pretty lively. Nice tits. Not huge but very well shaped and curvy. Fantastic hip-to-waist ratio. Overall a feast for the eyes. Beautiful face, a bit triangular. Dyed blonde. Sort of. Very nicely, but who knows tomorrow she may be red or blue. On her shoulders a tattoo of Julius Caesar's laurels. What will they think of next? But it wasn't bothersome even from the doggy style.
Anyway, nice BBBJ, condom on, 5-6 positions (not 5-6 minutes! And then I achieved what I had come here for. I tipped her the 10% discount back, not so much for attitude, but because she let me use her at will.
Would I recommend? Hell yes! Would I repeat? Not sure. It's a bit of a hike from Phrom Pong BTS in this heat. Also the line-up is more like Addict circa 2014 (6-8 girls with 1-2 stunners) than Addict today (15-20 girls with 2-3 stunners). The thing is that I don't want to go too often to Addict, lest they think I am addicted to their place, so if I have an unstoppable itch I may use them as a substitute. No doubt they'll get better over time, the facilities are great for girls and customers alike.
[QUOTE=DrBJ;1863290]The visit by the police was arranged by us We ask the police to come in at a random time to conduct drug tests on the ladies as well as doing testing ourselves. The fact that Nuru was closed for the next 2 and a half days was coincidental. As I already pointed out it was for essential work on the plumbing and electrical systems.
Regards,
BJ[Wow what a great guy to work for inviting the police in to test you for drugs without letting you know when with the possibility of being hauled off to the lock up and possibly imprisoned. Why would anybody visit his shops not knowing whether police will be roaming around the place or? . Does anybody find it a little odd that the owner of an outfit selling sexual services which is in fact illegal in Thailand arranges a visit by the police. Ok if he has an issue with drug abuse why not use his in admitted house testing to find out who is at fault and simply fire them, why have them arrested and possibly imprisoned especially as a lot of these women are simply trying to earn some money to help their families. ?
Not trying to be a rabble-rouser or anything. But sometimes massages shops near each other have the same owner. Wouldn't be surprised if some of the reports here are more advertisement than reality.
But. I'd like to chime in and say I have been quite pleased with the Petcheburi shops in the past. Places like Meree and Avita have so much better service, on average, than the ratchada soapies.I haven't been to either for years but the line-up was very average back then, not even close to the Ratchada soapies.
Wolvenvacht
04-12-16, 19:54
The visit by the police was arranged by us We ask the police to come in at a random time to conduct drug tests on the ladies as well as doing testing ourselves. The fact that Nuru was closed for the next 2 and a half days was coincidental. As I already pointed out it was for essential work on the plumbing and electrical systems.
Regards,
BJ
Wow what a great guy to work for inviting the police in to test you for drugs without letting you know when with the possibility of being hauled off to the lock up and possibly imprisoned. Why would anybody visit his shops not knowing whether police will be roaming around the place or? . Does anybody find it a little odd that the owner of an outfit selling sexual services which is in fact illegal in Thailand arranges a visit by the police. Ok if he has an issue with drug abuse why not use his in admitted house testing to find out who is at fault and simply fire them, why have them arrested and possibly imprisoned especially as a lot of these women are simply trying to earn some money to help their families. ?This is Thailand! Don't apply your Western sense of what is of should be to Thailand.
Everybody wins: the owner gets free drugs testing; the police fill their quotum of tests to be done; the girls know that breaching the "no drugs rule" risks far worse than being fired on the spot and are thus more likely to remain "clean" and the customers will be less at risk of meeting a drug-crazed provider.
ShangHangin
04-13-16, 02:06
Not trying to be a rabble-rouser or anything. But sometimes massages shops near each other have the same owner. Wouldn't be surprised if some of the reports here are more advertisement than reality.
No offense taken. Not sure about ownership, but can confirm my experience as authentic and not an ad. I live in China and was on biz in BKK. The outcall places in BJ are notorious for shills.
SH.
This is Thailand! Don't apply your Western sense of what is of should be to Thailand.
Everybody wins: the owner gets free drugs testing; the police fill their quotum of tests to be done; the girls know that breaching the "no drugs rule" risks far worse than being fired on the spot and are thus more likely to remain "clean" and the customers will be less at risk of meeting a drug-crazed provider.Did this raid take place while there were customers on the premises? If it were indeed random that would seem to be the case. Are you really suggesting that it is a good business model to have a swarm of police enter such a place unannounced while there are farang customers present, thereby scaring the bejesus out of them? This is a place that caters to farangs, no, and maybe is even run by a farang? I am afraid the scenario makes no sense from the standpoint of any cultural system. Unless I have misunderstood some details (and perhaps I have), there must be more to this story.
This is Thailand! Don't apply your Western sense of what is of should be to Thailand.
Everybody wins: the owner gets free drugs testing; the police fill their quotum of tests to be done; the girls know that breaching the "no drugs rule" risks far worse than being fired on the spot and are thus more likely to remain "clean" and the customers will be less at risk of meeting a drug-crazed provider.A drug crazed provider, actually this sounds interesting like something I might want to check out but not with the possibility of police arriving at any minute to spoil the fun.
Wolvenvacht
04-13-16, 19:06
Did this raid take place while there were customers on the premises? If it were indeed random that would seem to be the case. Are you really suggesting that it is a good business model to have a swarm of police enter such a place unannounced while there are farang customers present, thereby scaring the bejesus out of them? This is a place that caters to farangs, no, and maybe is even run by a farang? I am afraid the scenario makes no sense from the standpoint of any cultural system. Unless I have misunderstood some details (and perhaps I have), there must be more to this story.You know that the Police can raid these places whenever they wish, whether on their own initiative or at the proprietor's request. There are videos on YouTube that show such raids. The punters are rarely if ever troubled and just keep sipping their drinks and await at leisure the return of the girls.
I was not saying it is a good business model, but rather that I can see some logic in that model and that we read too much in what for this type of business is just a minor inconvenience.
Do you remember that some months ago Suzi Wong was raided and an [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) girl was found working there? In the West, such a thing would be front page news and that club would be finished for ever. Suzi Wong reopened a few days later and I'm sure nobody really cared.
Wolvenvacht
04-13-16, 19:29
A drug crazed provider, actually this sounds interesting like something I might want to check out but not with the possibility of police arriving at any minute to spoil the fun.The favorite drug of the bargirls is "Yaba" or "Ice", methamphetamine or a mixture of methamphetamine and caffeine. Users become over-active and agitated and prolonged use may indeed lead to psychosis.
I'm quite sure it will be awkward to explain to the hotel management that a raving mad bargirl just trashed your hotel room.
You know that the Police can raid these places whenever they wish, whether on their own initiative or at the proprietor's request. There are videos on YouTube that show such raids. The punters are rarely if ever troubled and just keep sipping their drinks and await at leisure the return of the girls.
I was not saying it is a good business model, but rather that I can see some logic in that model and that we read too much in what for this type of business is just a minor inconvenience.
Do you remember that some months ago Suzi Wong was raided and an . . . .girl was found working there? In the West, such a thing would be front page news and that club would be finished for ever. Suzi Wong reopened a few days later and I'm sure nobody really cared.Not only do I know the police can raid these places whenever they wish, I have been present once or twice when they have done so (the second time I wasn't sure it was a raid; it may have just been a couple of police who wanted some fun and / or bribes). But raiding a bar where there is no overt sexual activity involving the customers (such as SW as far as I know) and raiding a brothel, where there are customers literally with their pants down, are not same same (or if you prefer, is comparing apples and oranges), i.e., they certainly are not comparable from the standpoint of the customers ("gee I was caught by the police nursing a beer," as compared to having police arrive when one is in the middle of "boom boom."). A business owner of a BJ bar or boom-boom palace would strike me as crazy if he were to arrange for a police raid while there are customers on site, particularly foreign customers..
Given all the talk about how the military dictatorship really does not like the P4 P scene (and speculation by some informed observers they may shut some of the places down at some point) I still am inclined to believe there is more to this story than that the owners of the establishment asked the police to raid their business so they could get control over their girls. But as before I could be wrong.
NopoProwler
04-14-16, 11:32
Hello guys,
Had Ae from Mango a couple of days ago. I had my sights on her for a while because of good reviews and her pictures on the website. Also because I wanted some anal action.
Because of the holidays, many MPs are operating albeit with reduced staff. I know SW, Addict and Mango are open as well as some other MPs in that 24/1 alley.
Ae is nice looking with a bubbly. She was kinda agree at the beginning, throwing herself at me and grabbing my junk and stuff, kinda reminded me of Benz but less crazy. She went to pick her stuff (a couple of minutes only, no BS there) and came back. She got all kinky throwing herself on all fours on the bed asking me what we were going to do. She offered massage first but I declined. She demanded shower together first and I obliged. In the shower, she pretty much pinned me down and rubbed her pussy against my face. I did what I was supposed to, with heavy fingering. And then she put her finger up my butt. She stopped when I told her I don't like it. She thought that because I was fingering hers that I like that.
After that, on to the bed, some heavy rubbing from her part, without letting me do much, actually. A little bit of a let down as I like being the most active part. Managed to start DATY + ass fingering, then anal. Her ass is quite accommodating and I actually achieved a full erection inside her ass. Fucked her thoroughly and came quite fast.
Massage followed. Thumb up on her massage skills, then vaginal since she said she was hurting from the anal. I was surprised to come in her pussy as usually the vagina is not tight enough for my insensitive penis. I'm sure she was squeezing.
No DFK hence (to my standards) no GFE. Other than that, she provides what he customer wants but you get the feeling she's doing her job more than enjoying herself. In that she reminded me of Focus at Sky and Mimi at Dream Heaven. I would have liked to take my time with more mutual foreplay but that's usually not the standard. I left pleased but WIR is very unlikely.
Laters,
Nopo.
The police were just casually lounging around a certain Ratachada soapy yesterday. Was just 1 in the lounger, next to the door. And another one sitting outside monitoring the road. May be songkhran related and it may be that one of the officers (maybe more senior) just felt like sitting inside instead of outside.
Franciscass
04-14-16, 17:03
Given all the talk about how the military dictatorship really does not like the P4 P scene (and speculation by some informed observers they may shut some of the places down at some point) I still am inclined to believe there is more to this story than that the owners of the establishment asked the police to raid their business so they could get control over their girls. But as before I could be wrong.This conversation started with a post that police were swarming around the DR BJ gel shop which was later explained by the owner as an arrangement he had made with them to check the girls for drugs. The consequent closure of the shop was explained as being for necessary repairs to the plumbing and electrical systems and had nothing to do with the visit from the police. Whether this is true is or not, who knows or cares, what seems obvious is that punters should stay well away from P4P shops that randomly have police visit their premises. Quite often police have camera crews and photographers in tow and I for one would rather my walk of shame not appear on channel 3 or the front page of the Thai Rath newspaper. It is perfectly understandable that employers cannot keep people with drug addictions on staff and with some reservations I can go along with in-house testing where this is made clear as part of the conditions of their employment but for the life of me I can understand calling in the police to do the checking.
You know that the Police can raid these places whenever they wish, whether on their own initiative or at the proprietor's request. There are videos on YouTube that show such raids. The punters are rarely if ever troubled and just keep sipping their drinks and await at leisure the return of the girls.You make it sound like something punters should somehow hope for as an amusement; especially when you are a tourist in a country half way around the world, and which is currently governed by a military junta which disapproves of your activity.
I guess I will have to change my thinking to something like:
Gee l kinda hope this place gets raided when I am in the middle of a sexual encounter. It would be so trivial to have police offers enter the room and interrupt us. No big deal really if they decide to question me, or ask to see my ID, or drug test me, or take me down to the station, or publicize my predicament to make an example of me. I am just glad I have that extra baht with me because it might come in handy.
Not saying it isn't an occupational hazard of the hobby. It is. The closest I ever came was exiting an Amsterdam brothel and there was Politie in the hallway. But until you experience it firsthand I would suggest your musings ring pretty hollow.
SL.
Franciscass
04-15-16, 04:57
. It is perfectly understandable that employers cannot keep people with drug addictions on staff and with some reservations I can go along with in-house testing where this is made clear as part of the conditions of their employment but for the life of me I can understand calling in the police to do the checking.Correction.
For the life of me I cannot understand calling in the police. Incidentally despite some rumors doing the rounds they were not there looking for fake noses.
Wolvenvacht
04-15-16, 08:05
You make it sound like something punters should somehow hope for as an amusement; especially when you are a tourist in a country half way around the world, and which is currently governed by a military junta which disapproves of your activity.
I guess I will have to change my thinking to something like:
Gee l kinda hope this place gets raided when I am in the middle of a sexual encounter. It would be so trivial to have police offers enter the room and interrupt us. No big deal really if they decide to question me, or ask to see my ID, or drug test me, or take me down to the station, or publicize my predicament to make an example of me. I am just glad I have that extra baht with me because it might come in handy.
Not saying it isn't an occupational hazard of the hobby. It is. The closest I ever came was exiting an Amsterdam brothel and there was Politie in the hallway. But until you experience it firsthand I would suggest your musings ring pretty hollow.
SL.As probably most of the members here I like to live my life quietly and without attracting undue attention, but also I do not wish to make too much out of something that is indeed somewhat of an occupational hazard of the hobby.
I'm sure that the "arranged raids" are not done with camera crews in tow and perhaps "arranging" for a raid now and then may even lower the risk of an unannounced raid with all the attendant fuzz and publicity.
Anyhow, there is nothing we can do about it, so I don't worry about it. Good and bad things happen for no obvious reasons and we simply carry on with our own lifes.
Franciscass
04-15-16, 12:49
As probably most of the members here I like to live my life quietly and without attracting undue attention, but also I do not wish to make too much out of something that is indeed somewhat of an occupational hazard of the hobby.
I'm sure that the "arranged raids" are not done with camera crews in tow and perhaps "arranging" for a raid now and then may even lower the risk of an unannounced raid with all the attendant fuzz and publicity.
Anyhow, there is nothing we can do about it, so I don't worry about it. Good and bad things happen for no obvious reasons and we simply carry on with our own lifes.Living the quiet life is indeed a worthy path to follow which is precisely why leaving the lads at the station makes more sense than inviting them round for a visit. Re being sure camera crews are left behind well good luck with that. You may have noticed that they rarely miss an opportunity to showcase their accomplishments and believing an owner of a sex business in Soi 7/1 has control over the PR department at Lumpini station is rather fanciful but yes you're right life goes on and personally I feel enough space has been devoted to this topic.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1864969]You know that the Police can raid these places whenever they wish, whether on their own initiative or at the proprietor's request. There are videos on YouTube that show such raids. The punters are rarely if ever troubled and just keep sipping their drinks and await at leisure the return of the girls.
I was not saying it is a good business model, but rather that I can see some logic in that model and that we read too much in what for this type of business is just a minor inconvenience.
Do you remember that some months ago Suzi Wong was raided and an http://isgprohibitedwords.info ([URL)?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902]url] girl was found working there? In the West, such a thing would be front page news and that club would be finished for ever. Suzi Wong reopened a few days later and I'm sure nobody really cared. [.
You are missing the point Wolvenvacht. Yes addiction to yaba or to opiate based substances is a serious issue in Thailand and those affected need detox treatment and rehabilitation, the issue is how to go about doing this. If a member of staff is displaying symptoms of drug use and it is becoming a problem you can simply fire her and wash your hands of the situation or you could show some sympathy and try and help. The owner of the so called DR BJ shops has admitted that he does his own in-house testing so why bring the police into it and possibly have the woman incarcerated. You seem to think that it's no big deal for a customer to be on a premises where he is paying for sexual services while the police are roaming around rounding up the girls. It is not the same as having a drink at a bar and I for one would stay well clear of any place where this was likely to happen. I have visited Thailand on a number of occasions have partied a lot and apart from witnessing the behavior of some nut job lady boys on walking street in Pattaya I have never encountered a drug crazed provider or heard of incidents where they trashed hotel rooms. I have no doubt some working girls are users of yaba, the profession is not an easy lifestyle but let's show a little more sympathy towards them and leave the police out of it.
I suggest that you try going for ladies who recommend themselves to you by showing you signs that they want to go with you. And if several ladies are recommending themselves to you, then you should choose the one who is more enthusiastic about it.
Because these ladies aren't just flirting. They really mean to do it with you. And this means that the lady probably won't change her attitude with you, when she goes to the private room with you.
It's only in Western countries a lot women flirt, without any intention to deliver on their non-verbal promises. And that's why you can't trust this kind of behavior there.
But it's a totally different situation, when the lady fully intends to do it with you. Because her imagination is already full of your penetration, when she thinks that you will accept her invitation. Her level of enthusiasm is a pretty good indication of how much she psyched herself up to do it with you.
I've tried it both ways, doing it with ladies recommended to me by others, and doing it with ladies who recommended themselves to me. And my experiences have always been much better, when I went for ladies who recommended themselves to me.Dan,
I agree 100%. The way to find someone who you will enjoy is to find someone who is enthusiastic. Looks and body are important, but attitude is the sine que non.
A few points I'd like to add based on my experiences in soapies.
1. Over enthusiasm (lots of forced smiling, obvious gestures of affection) can lead to very bad (bordering scam level) experiences. In my experience, forced enthusiasm equates to "no doggy style," CBJ, rushed service. And by the time it's over, you can tell they really dislike you overall. I find these women to be rather callous. They're enthusiasm isn't stemming from wanting to fuck, it's from wanting to screw you out of your money. And their enthusiasm and care-free attitude is enabled by management, who lets them get away with low service. If management is allowing this, then usually most all the girls are low quality service (sex tourist traps like cupidy, sabai dee in pattaya).
2. Typically if they are shouting / talking to me in a soapy, it's a BAD sign. They are mercenary and see fresh meat. If they are really animated, they are on drugs (which isn't a bad thing per se, it actually leads to decent bed performance, but expect a lot of up sells and nearly coercive demands for tips).
3. Subtle bedroom eye contact enthusiasm is the best. It's hard to fake, and people don't try to lie that hard as to get this wrong. You know within 1 second if the girl is at least mildly interested on very initial impression.
4. Any initial, reactionary lack of eye contact. Lack of maintaining eye contact for the first initial eye contact is a deal breaker for me. I just don't get turned on by awkward encounters where I know the girl just hates being the the room with me. It's a real experience killer for me. And as Crocodilexp said well, it's an uphill battle.
Generally, just normal eye contact and normal smiles. Nothing too long, no smiles too big. Definitely no to aggressive women who are talking from their chair and cracking witty adlib like "tick tock tick tock" while you are choosing.
As for women "craving the cock". Women like sex as much as men, so certainly. And working in a brothel all day makes them horny. So horny that they can't wait to get home and fuck their boy friends. Any man who even walks inside those doors as a customer is seen as low status and therefore not exactly a very strong aphrodisiac to them. Yeah they're horny, but the guys coming in (solo falangs, socially awkward Japanese sex tourists, older thai men with money) are all very low status / undesirable to them to "crave".This is an interesting comment. In general, I think you get better service with someone who is clearly interested in you. However, Parkville is right that if she is over-enthusiastic, that's not a good sign. I try to pick one who engages with me by eye contact and smiles, but is not jumping up and down. I think Parkville overstates his point, but he's right to avoid the over-enthusiastic ones, but if she shows a lot of interest, she will usually make you happy in bed.
Dan,
I agree 100%. The way to find someone who you will enjoy is to find someone who is enthusiastic. Looks and body are important, but attitude is the sine que non.I disagree somewhat. I am very wary of girls acting wildly enthusiastic, or any signs of fakeness. Playful tongue in cheek acting is okay If she is hamming it up as a joke.
I watch girls for any signs of a very disagreeable expression re myself or anyone else in the place. Those that manage to look like they have nice character are OK for me even if they are paying me no attention at all. Some girls are very bored and believe it is not their place to act desperate for a fuck. Some of these very shy, or even disinterested girls, can transform, once it is clear that I want them and am not a waste of time for them.
I hate girls that talk dirty, and that is almost certainly not a Thai thing, and therefore just an act. Have had to tell western girls talking dirty to shut up on a rare ocassion.
I like girls to be classy, sexy, seductive, natural, and definitely not talk too much. A language barrier is no barrier to good sex. I never care if girl can speak English or not. Cuban girls speaking Spanish have been fabulous for me. A language barrier is fun for a change.
I can talk to girls over a drink. Not during sex too much.
If a girl recommends herself literally, I would be very wary. I guess Dan doesn't mean it literally.
Some girls have been very keen to go with me a second time. I had to tell them "Don't you remember you were crap last time." LOL Plenty of girls have an overly high opinion of themselves. Also plenty of great girls are overly modest and would never self promote much.
If I can't detect a bad attitude, that is good enough for me.
Looks and body are important, but attitude is the sine que non.I agree. For me attitude is twice as important as looks. Expressed mathematically:
Looks:10 and Attitude:7 = ((10 x1)+(7 x2))/3 = 8 overall.
Looks:7 and Attitude:10 = ((7 x1)+(10 x2))/3 = 9 overall.
Still working on how much to weight price in the equation to come up with a total VFM (value for money) calculation LOL.
SL.
I agree. For me attitude is twice as important as looks. Expressed mathematically:
Looks:10 and Attitude:7 = ((10 x1)+(7 x2))/3 = 8 overall.
Looks:7 and Attitude:10 = ((7 x1)+(10 x2))/3 = 9 overall.
Still working on how much to weight price in the equation to come up with a total VFM (value for money) calculation LOL.
SL.You need to somehow incorporate threshold values into your equation methinks. For example, the equation goes astray in the following (rather extreme) hypothetical:
Looks: 0 and Attitude: 10 = ((0 x 1) + (10 x 2))/3 = 7 overall (rounding up). I'm sorry but if she is the ugliest thing to walk on this earth there is no way attitude can bring her up to a 7. Nice first try but I'm afraid your desirability scale needs some work!
Not a Seven even if she gives great BJs (blow or blubber jobs, your choice) and enthusiastically rims!:
http://1000uglypeople.com/wp-content/uploads/Thats-Why-I-Love-The-Summer-The-Ugliest-Woman-In-The-World.jpg
I agree. For me attitude is twice as important as looks. Expressed mathematically:
Looks:10 and Attitude:7 = ((10 x1)+(7 x2))/3 = 8 overall.
Looks:7 and Attitude:10 = ((7 x1)+(10 x2))/3 = 9 overall.
Still working on how much to weight price in the equation to come up with a total VFM (value for money) calculation LOL.
SL.Totally agree with you. Once I selected a good looking girl in fish bowl in Pattaya. All went well and while in the tub I put some water on her hair and she got really angry and started to shout on me. In another instance I selected a girl who was willing to spend time with me and was not so looking good. But she was very happy and cooperative in all aspects.
You need to somehow incorporate threshold values into your equation methinks.While I see your point and appreciate your humor 555 for me looks is an initial screen and contains a built in threshold. My equation is more an after the fact evaluation; as before the fact attitude can be superficial. A P4 P lady with such low ranking looks would not even proceed to the point where I could evaluate her sexual performance.
SL.
Crocodilexp
04-16-16, 17:01
For me attitude is twice as important as looks.I agree, but after too many years of mongering, I find that there is an additional major factor, memorability. Some girls look OK and do a fine job, but I forget them the minute I walk out of the door. A few stick around for some reason or another, even if they weren't classically beautiful (perhaps unusual or interesting face), or exceptional in bed. Perhaps we had a bit of a connection in some way, making it irrelevant the BJ was brief. Sometimes, we don't necessarily have amazing chemistry, but there was something unique about the situation that turned me on.
The memorable ones I try to repeat. The ordinary. Fair enough, no blame, but feeling that perhaps I could have saved the money by jerking off, or had a better time getting a nice dinner instead.
Crocodilexp
04-16-16, 17:08
You need to somehow incorporate threshold values into your equation methinks.
Looks: 0 and Attitude: 10 = ((0 x 1) + (10 x 2))/3 = 7 overall (rounding up).I think the threshold is irrelevant, since women with 0-4 are the ones we'd simply never choose, so your hypothetical session wouldn't happen.
The problem are the 5's which are just passable enough in poor light on a sparse evening with enough beer, but too ugly to actually enjoy. But to me that doesn't happen often.
I do agree. Over the 100+ ladies I have had I only remember a few. However. Those are the ones I try to see more than once.
I agree, but after too many years of mongering, I find that there is an additional major factor, memorability. Some girls look OK and do a fine job, but I forget them the minute I walk out of the door. A few stick around for some reason or another, even if they weren't classically beautiful (perhaps unusual or interesting face), or exceptional in bed. Perhaps we had a bit of a connection in some way, making it irrelevant the BJ was brief. Sometimes, we don't necessarily have amazing chemistry, but there was something unique about the situation that turned me on.
The memorable ones I try to repeat. The ordinary. Fair enough, no blame, but feeling that perhaps I could have saved the money by jerking off, or had a better time getting a nice dinner instead.
Totally agree with you. Once I selected a good looking girl in fish bowl in Pattaya. All went well and while in the tub I put some water on her hair and she got really angry and started to shout on me. In another instance I selected a girl who was willing to spend time with me and was not so looking good. But she was very happy and cooperative in all aspects.The ugly girl has to put up with a lot more. So What? Unfortunately for me, great looks of the girl is a very important factor to get me turned on. If girl has horrible face or body, or looks masculine, my dick would stay limp, I'm sure. Obviously I want at least a good performance from the girl.
So for ugly girls, I would never find out how they perform. Needs to be at least comparable looks to my GF (late 30's but excellent body shape) to get a consideration. Sure we can forgive some defects in a girl, but not too many.
The owner of the so called DR BJ shops has admitted that he does his own in-house testing so why bring the police into it and possibly have the woman incarcerated. My understanding is that the owner or at least majority shareholder of the Dr. BJ shops is Aey (of the Annies and Dr. BJ chain). I am not close to the management so I am not really certain of this, but purely based on the rumours. Clearly Aey is the "big boss" number 1. There are a number of other shop managers. Haven't actually sighted Aey for 2 or 3 years but heard she shows up at the various shops to make sure everything going well. Last I heard, she was spending just as much or more time at Dr. BJ shops than at Annies. In the past, I visited 3 girls of the Dr. BJ shops quite a few times each (all slim ones).
There maybe be other shareholders in the DR. BJ shops, so some maybe not just "managers". Again I don't know the possibly secret details.
I haven't seen the Matriarch Annie for quite a number of years either. A good few years back she used to show up at Annies regularly (as well as Aey), but I guess Annie is too old by now (hopefully still alive). I would love to see her again and chat about long gone historical things from 30 years ago. Another older member of Annies staff (don't know the name) was still in contact with girls I knew from the Thermae Soapy 24 years ago (was located above Thermae Coffee shop in the old days).
Some girls look OK and do a fine job, but I forget them the minute I walk out of the door.Maybe I've just been in the game too long but I find it amazing how quickly and totally I can forget many of them these days. A friend will say "that one you took last Friday" and I have no more memory of it than I do of what I had for lunch that day. So yes, when I find one who's memorable now, I definitely try to go back for more. And you're right, sometimes it's not even so much their looks or skill as just hitting it off, having a good time and leaving with that nice glow.
Maybe I've just been in the game too long but I find it amazing how quickly and totally I can forget many of them these days. A friend will say "that one you took last Friday" and I have no more memory of it than I do of what I had for lunch that day. So yes, when I find one who's memorable now, I definitely try to go back for more. And you're right, sometimes it's not even so much their looks or skill as just hitting it off, having a good time and leaving with that nice glow.I don't think it is too much trouble to remember the really exceptional girls. I have to tell my self to make notes on the bad sessions though. If a girl looks good enough but performs badly, forgetting her could mean accidentally choosing the same girl a 2nd time in the future, and part way though another bad session, starting to remember her. Make the same mistake on girl choice maybe 2 times in my life, maybe more. I forget now, how many times that happened. LOL.
The problem is girl looks good, face looks vaguely familiar but couldn't remember any more than that.
So always worthwhile to maintain a little diary of girls done. Computerised with Encryption. Writing a report on ISG is like making a diary entry. LOL. Sometimes a good session where I intended to repeat, almost all details of the girl have eventually gone from my mind too after a couple of years. I could check my past reports to see what I wrote. This won't help to remember her looks that well though. I think of one girl I tried about a year ago, number 4. I remember she was slim. Name and face I can't recall now, other than was pretty.
To those who really cannot remember girls form just 1 week ago. What sort of life are you leading? Maybe it is one where your brain is being under utilised. Your brain is getting too lazy, or addled by drugs or alcohol. There are daily activities you could find to exercise the brain and this may improve your memory. Use a Flash Cards phone App to learn Thai vocab for example. Mental games like Sudoku. If brain gets no exercise, maybe Alzheimer's or other dementia could set in more quickly. I do technically complex work to keep the brain from getting too lazy.
Some people take Gingko Biloba for memory boost. I have no idea if it really works, I just a waste of money.
Our brain is selective. It does not want to store memories of what was really boring. So if a guy forgets a girl from last week, she must have been incredibly boring. Maybe time to start being more selective and not fuck just any old girl. I notice that I have become very fussy about girl selection in my older age. If she doesn't look at all memorable and exciting, I just don't bother any more. I know I could get freebies with unexciting girls, but do not go there. I still really enjoy sex with my GF of over 10 years. Would like to do her at least 3 times as often as what I actually get though. That is my main problem. More horny than her. I got hard on just thinking about doing her. She is absent at the moment.
If it was possible to have 3 or 4 girlfriends, that would be perfect for me, I guess.
The problem is girl looks good, face looks vaguely familiar but couldn't remember any more than that.Yep, happens a lot. We men are predictable creatures. We tend to pick the same kind of girls over and over again, or even the same girls without remembering them. It really does help to keep a record of the duds. As you say, the great ones are easy enough to remember.
As far as forgetting a girl from a week or two ago, well that's probably just a combination of age, years of alcohol and drugs (though not much these days) and, mostly, just a whole lot of girls, most of which let's face it are not especially memorable. Whenever it happens I just laugh at myself. At this point I'm not going to worry about it.
Yep, happens a lot. We men are predictable creatures. We tend to pick the same kind of girls over and over again, or even the same girls without remembering them. It really does help to keep a record of the duds. As you say, the great ones are easy enough to remember.
As far as forgetting a girl from a week or two ago, well that's probably just a combination of age, years of alcohol and drugs (though not much these days) and, mostly, just a whole lot of girls, most of which let's face it are not especially memorable. Whenever it happens I just laugh at myself. At this point I'm not going to worry about it.I find I don't need drugs or alcohol to have fun here in Thailand. I am very slow to cum (lacking sensitivity) so alcohol only makes that worse. Not a good idea for me. A good idea for guys that cum too quick I guess. I had only two alcoholic drinks this week. One Caipirinha (a favorite if made very sour), and one other accidentally. I ordered Soda, but when it came I could taste a very small amount of Saeng Som (or similar) added. Bar tender mistake I guess, or I got the wrong drink somehow. Can't recall that happening before.
At the bar one girl was questioning if her drink was really Tequila, or was Lao Khao. I tasted it and wasn't sure either, not being an expert on Lao Khao. Its tasted more powerful than what I expect for bargirl Tequila though. Maybe they switched from weak girlie Tequilas to real strong stuff.
MichaelSamuel
04-19-16, 03:52
Other than referencing my own ISG reports, I keep an encrypted excel sheet and whenever possible photos either personal or from website and kept on separate dropbox account. That way is easily for reference on the go. The memorability bit would definitely be part of any equation. Maybe as a partial multiplier? For example on the way out of SW the last time ran into Candy but didn't remember her, at least not by looks at all. She did a perfectly fine job, but just wasn't memorable to me and I have almost perfect recall. Perhaps its a combination memorability and how much would you be willing to repeat? 5 - I want to go back tomorrow. 1 - pass, I will just watch some porn instead.
Maybe I've just been in the game too long but I find it amazing how quickly and totally I can forget many of them these days. A friend will say "that one you took last Friday" and I have no more memory of it than I do of what I had for lunch that day. So yes, when I find one who's memorable now, I definitely try to go back for more. And you're right, sometimes it's not even so much their looks or skill as just hitting it off, having a good time and leaving with that nice glow.
1 - pass, I will just watch some porn instead.Hey its pretty bad if you have to watch porn in Thailand. I suppose I will be like that in my old retirement when on a tighter budget. I am not into extreme sicko porn so perhaps I am abnormal. I prefer naked beauty. Can still get a fuck or BJ really cheap in Thailand if willing to compromise on girl looks, so porn has to be a last resort for me. 800 Baht BJs, right? So that is only just over 20 Euros. I know wanking to porn is free, but I try to cut down on that with girls so available here.
I agree with making notes on girls. Helps to know the names next time, if you recorded the info. For guys who cannot remember the girl's name 10 minutes after fucking her, I sympathise, but they are just not making an effort. I remember a hot girl I just met two nights ago, Michelle, even though I did not even fuck her. Got the phone number though.
I remember my last girl at Addict was called J.J. due to reporting her here (only met her once and was earlier in the year). In fact, I might go looking for her today. 69 was very memorable, very blissful. Must be her technique really suited me.
My understanding is that the owner or at least majority shareholder of the Dr. BJ shops is Aey (of the Annies and Dr. BJ chain). I am not close to the management so I am not really certain of this, but purely based on the rumours. Clearly Aey is the "big boss" number 1. There are a number of other shop managers. Haven't actually sighted Aey for 2 or 3 years but heard she shows up at the various shops to make sure everything going well. Last I heard, she was spending just as much or more time at Dr. BJ shops than at Annies. In the past, I visited 3 girls of the Dr. BJ shops quite a few times each (all slim ones).
There maybe be other shareholders in the DR. BJ shops, so some maybe not just "managers". Again I don't know the possibly secret details.
I haven't seen the Matriarch Annie for quite a number of years either. A good few years back she used to show up at Annies regularly (as well as Aey), but I guess Annie is too old by now (hopefully still alive). I would love to see her again and chat about long gone historical things from 30 years ago. Another older member of Annies staff (don't know the name) was still in contact with girls I knew from the Thermae Soapy 24 years ago (was located above Thermae Coffee shop in the old days).Obvious you know a lot about the Annie's / DR BJ operation but from reading posts under the DR BJ tag it would seem a Scottish gentleman is the owner of both the BJ and massage business's and it would appear he was the one posting about the so called arranged police raid. Whoever it was it still remains a bizarre decision to invite police to your premises where customers are paying to have sex with your staff.
Perhaps its a combination memorability and how much would you be willing to repeat? 5 - I want to go back tomorrow. 1 - pass, I will just watch some porn instead.Don't forget the negative numbers. You know, like -3, I'd cross the street to avoid talking to her. (Though for some reason I find that happens more in other countries, like the Philippines, than Thailand.).
I was at Bongkot. The girl says please don't write about her the fine details. She doesn't want other customers coming and asking for exactly the same service. LOL. Not every customer is equal.
Please write about Bongkot giving good service, she says. Yes great service for me and I repeat, but I have a sample of just one girl. I can hardly assess Bongkot overall. People that know me may realise I don't really give a shit about the shop itself. Its only about my special girls. Girl moves shop, I move with her. I go where the girl is.
I like shops that have a wide variety of pretty girls to choose from, but at Oilies I ring to check if my regular girl is available before wasting time to go there.
Anyway my regular girls have all been reviewed before so I won't bore you with details. I was happy as usual. My girl knows how to do it just right for me. She is probably very adaptable. I know she did not have all of the skills originally years ago.
Francesco24
04-19-16, 14:04
Hey its pretty bad if you have to watch porn in Thailand. I suppose I will be like that in my old retirement when on a tighter budget. I am not into extreme sicko porn so perhaps I am abnormal. I prefer naked beauty. Can still get a fuck or BJ really cheap in Thailand if willing to compromise on girl looks, so porn has to be a last resort for me. 800 Baht BJs, right? So that is only just over 20 Euros. I know wanking to porn is free, but I try to cut down on that with girls so available here.
I agree with making notes on girls. Helps to know the names next time, if you recorded the info. For guys who cannot remember the girl's name 10 minutes after fucking her, I sympathise, but they are just not making an effort. I remember a hot girl I just met two nights ago, Michelle, even though I did not even fuck her. Got the phone number though.
I remember my last girl at Addict was called J.J. due to reporting her here (only met her once and was earlier in the year). In fact, I might go looking for her today. 69 was very memorable, very blissful. Must be her technique really suited me.Lately I had quite bad mongering luck for sure (maybe I'll sum up my last few weeks later on), but here I just want to say that today I had a BJ at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and after going out I really would have preferred watching some porn on the internet. Not complaining about the 800 baht, but really I would have enjoyed myself more wanking with some porn even if the BJ was free.
Girl name is Ant, short blond hair, cure face, shitty service.
If anyone attending [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) had any contact info of Poo / Poh I'd be eternally grateful if could pass them over. I try to meet her so many time but I always miss her somehow T_T.
AssLover945
04-19-16, 20:19
I was at Bongkot. The girl says please don't write about her the fine details. She doesn't want other customers coming and asking for exactly the same service. LOL. Not every customer is equal.
Please write about Bongkot giving good service, she says. Yes great service for me and I repeat, but I have a sample of just one girl. I can hardly assess Bongkot overall. People that know me may realise I don't really give a shit about the shop itself. Its only about my special girls. Girl moves shop, I move with her. I go where the girl is.
I like shops that have a wide variety of pretty girls to choose from, but at Oilies I ring to check if my regular girl is available before wasting time to go there.
Anyway my regular girls have all been reviewed before so I won't bore you with details. I was happy as usual. My girl knows how to do it just right for me. She is probably very adaptable. I know she did not have all of the skills originally years ago.So very right. I do the same all the time. But there are shops where you get special privileges. There are a few shops in which I have fucked all girls. I repeat ALL girls 5555, just because I believe in the shop will not be of bad standard.
So very right. I do the same all the time. But there are shops where you get special privileges. There are a few shops in which I have fucked all girls. I repeat ALL girls 5555, just because I believe in the shop will not be of bad standard.
I was at Bongkot. The girl says please don't write about her the fine details. She doesn't want other customers coming and asking for exactly the same service. LOL. Not every customer is equal.
Please write about Bongkot giving good service, she says. Yes great service for me and I repeat, but I have a sample of just one girl. I can hardly assess Bongkot overall. People that know me may realise I don't really give a shit about the shop itself. Its only about my special girls. Girl moves shop, I move with her. I go where the girl is.
I like shops that have a wide variety of pretty girls to choose from, but at Oilies I ring to check if my regular girl is available before wasting time to go there.
Anyway my regular girls have all been reviewed before so I won't bore you with details. I was happy as usual. My girl knows how to do it just right for me. She is probably very adaptable. I know she did not have all of the skills originally years ago.Bongkot is my favorite shop at the moment, I've taken 3 girls from there and they have all provided top quality service.
I have a day in Bangkok on May 29th enroute to Pattaya, I'll probably get to hit 2 shops, my order of preference is -.
1. Bongkot.
2. Snow (always had good service here too).
3. Mango (Again, always had good service but last time I visited, The girls were not very attractive.
4. Cherry (Mud / Mutt has moved here. Has a bit of baby damage but I think she is a great performer.
Tulip. I haven't been in Tulip in years and I just don't know where it will fit in in this list. I might take a spin up there to see what's happening.
Lately I had quite bad mongering luck for sure (maybe I'll sum up my last few weeks later on), but here I just want to say that today and after going out I really would have preferred watching some porn on the internet. Not complaining about the 800 baht, but really I would have enjoyed myself more wanking with some porn even if the BJ was free.
Girl name is Ant, short blond hair, cure face, shitty service.
I believe her name is Anne rather than Ant (I could be wrong since Thais can't really pronounce Ant properly and would sound like Anne). Has cute face and hot ass. Can be a good GFE fuck but BJ is not good due to braces most likely. Feel the teeth too much. Not soft enough.
If you had read my reports before you would see I did not recommend her for BJ.
Last time I saw her, she reported having 3 fucks already that day and was too fucked out to do me. First time she was nit up for it. So I took no session. Did not want a BJ from her. Its not worth the money as you say.
Franciscass
04-20-16, 04:58
So very right. I do the same all the time. But there are shops where you get special privileges. There are a few shops in which I have fucked all girls. I repeat ALL girls 5555, just because I believe in the shop will not be of bad standard.The attractiveness of the girls and whether service is consistently good and bad at a particular P4P venue is largely down to the business model and management style of the owners. This is true whether it's a brothel in Nevada or a BJ bar in Bangkok. Like any business, recruitment, training and high employee engagement of staff are key to success. While it's arguable that on recruitment the pool of attractive young ladies has diminished when it comes to training and engagement there is no excuse. Poor or non-existing ongoing training combined with apathetic management leads over time to lower standards. Unfortunately this is the situation in many of the shops here particularly those targeting tourists. A provider who thinks it's OK to come to work and tells her customer not to touch her tits must believe her employer will let her away with this otherwise she won't do it. Where posts continuously refer to poor service I don't blame the girls I blame the management.
The attractiveness of the girls and whether service is consistently good and bad at a particular P4P venue is largely down to the business model and management style of the owners. This is true whether it's a brothel in Nevada or a BJ bar in Bangkok. Like any business, recruitment, training and high employee engagement of staff are key to success. While it's arguable that on recruitment the pool of attractive young ladies has diminished when it comes to training and engagement there is no excuse. Poor or non-existing ongoing training combined with apathetic management leads over time to lower standards. Unfortunately this is the situation in many of the shops here particularly those targeting tourists. A provider who thinks it's OK to come to work and tells her customer not to touch her tits must believe her employer will let her away with this otherwise she won't do it. Where posts continuously refer to poor service I don't blame the girls I blame the management.Management is more interested in forcing girls to show up every day regardless of whether they can work or not. Girls get fined if they claim they are not right to be able to work. This is the case even at Tulip.
I would love to know which shop is managed so that all girls provide all services consistently and are not on their period, etc. Name a place or two with such lofty standards of service and with good looking girls. I am sure it does nit exist here in Bangkok and I don't of any such establishment anyway.
You can get a crap session anywhere. I even had a fairly crap session at Tulip a couple of times with relatively new girls. One was called Benz I think (with the bad case of pussy warts) and I forget the name if the other.
We can talk about girls being trained till the cows come home. What good will it do to preach that stuff here. The owers are not interested in these views.
As far as the ISG goes we are better off to know which particular girls are giving a very high standard consistently. Forget all the other ordinary girls who don't measure up.
We should be spending more time recommending top girls if they exist. Who are the superstars for performance? Which girls have really superior looks and good performance to go with it?
Complaints about poor management here are not really fixing anything. I am just interested in finding great girls ti keep repeating. If a girl is great for me I don't care exactly how good the management is. She may even tell me about her issues with the way the shop is run. It is not important for me in enjoying to keep repeating with her.
Girls are not Robots. The management has lumited influence on the girl other than firing the girls. What causes girls to get fired? Probably lack of consistent attendance is going to be the top cause. Maybe if a girl cannot achieve any regular customers or any 'ask fors' she would also be cast out in some places.
However I don't know if this is the case. Shops just want to have as many girls as they can maintain to avoid the line up being too sparse.
Start getting realistic and accept we live in a non perfect world and only a small percentage of girls will be worth repeating many times.
I prefer to keep repeating my regular girls than take a punt with a new girl. Have not tried anything new in last few days. This way I don't feel like I wasted my money so often. Of course I have to set myself targets to try new girls, but I like to review the girl for significant time rather than make a snap unfortunate decision. If the cost of a mistake is really low, I may decide quicker.
I got the wrong vibe from a girl sitting with me recently. Turns out she got BFed by someone else very shortly after that. Probably was waiting for him or he may have already been there. So then I wasn't at all surprised about her lack interest in me. I don't get angry from stuff like this. Just move on to my regular girl when she arrived shortly afterwards.
Accept the way things are and adapt to it. Bellyaching on the forum doesn't achieve much. The problem management are not listening.
So very right. I do the same all the time. But there are shops where you get special privileges. There are a few shops in which I have fucked all girls. I repeat ALL girls 5555, just because I believe in the shop will not be of bad standard.You surprise me. Are all girls really pretty enough to be doable?. You must have broad taste. Do all girls provide anal?
Are you employed as the girl tester at this shop, Cherry I seem to recall since you seem to write on one shop only? Even if the girls believed you are a special tester at the shop, it would work in your favor, since they would be on their best behaviour when sessioning with you, right? However the girls might get biased assessments.
A brothel once asked me to test one of the girls secretly (she thought I was just normal customer) after some complaint about the girl, so I got a freebie. I really enjoyed my session greatly so I rated her in the top 10% and did not find any faults with her. So it was clear that she could perform if she liked the customer. I have no idea why others had complained. She was a western girl. Not Thai. She offered anal for extra but I did not partake of that since then I would have to have paid my own money.
The Cherry website includes Yok. Does she actually work there currently?
Francesco24
04-20-16, 07:42
I believe her name is Anne rather than Ant (I could be wrong since Thais can't really pronounce Ant properly and would sound like Anne). Has cute face and hot ass. Can be a good GFE fuck but BJ is not good due to braces most likely. Feel the teeth too much. Not soft enough.
If you had read my reports before you would see I did not recommend her for BJ.
Last time I saw her, she reported having 3 fucks already that day and was too fucked out to do me. First time she was nit up for it. So I took no session. Did not want a BJ from her. Its not worth the money as you say.If it's the same girl, she was wearing a Tag with written Ant.
She also said she stopped doing sex as she got some pussy damage.
The attractiveness of the girls and whether service is consistently good and bad at a particular P4P venue is largely down to the business model and management style of the owners. This is true whether it's a brothel in Nevada or a BJ bar in Bangkok. Like any business, recruitment, training and high employee engagement of staff are key to success. While it's arguable that on recruitment the pool of attractive young ladies has diminished when it comes to training and engagement there is no excuse. Poor or non-existing ongoing training combined with apathetic management leads over time to lower standards. Unfortunately this is the situation in many of the shops here particularly those targeting tourists. A provider who thinks it's OK to come to work and tells her customer not to touch her tits must believe her employer will let her away with this otherwise she won't do it. Where posts continuously refer to poor service I don't blame the girls I blame the management.Very well stated and I agree 100%. One reason Tulip was great back in the day was Saeng kept a performance standard and the looks were always ok. Her mantra was "all girls do everything" and that was the truth. Never had to worry about wasting money on a non-performer. That is the way it should be in every shop. The only thing you should have to consider is who is attractive to you.
Franciscass
04-20-16, 11:18
Management is more interested in forcing girls to show up every day regardless of whether they can work or not. Girls get fined if they claim they are not right to be able to work. This is the case even at Tulip.
I would love to know which shop is managed so that all girls provide all services consistently and are not on their period, etc. Name a place or two with such lofty standards of service and with good looking girls. I am sure it does nit exist here in Bangkok and I don't of any such establishment anyway.
You can get a crap session anywhere. I even had a fairly crap session at Tulip a couple of times with relatively new girls. One was called Benz I think (with the bad case of pussy warts) and I forget the name if the other.
We can talk about girls being trained till the cows come home. What good will it do to preach that stuff here. The owers are not interested in these views.
As far as the ISG goes we are better off to know which particular girls are giving a very high standard consistently. Forget all the other ordinary girls who don't measure up..I have to say it's difficult to know Syzygies what point you are trying to make other than letting us know for the 7994th time what you like and how you operate. Big dick, takes a long time to come, doesn't like fake noises, face has to be right before checking the body even if it's slim, has a girlfriend, doesn't drink, prefers his favorite girls in different shops, calls before he goes there etc etc etc we've got it, really we have. As regards believing management having no effect on staff performance and therefore we must accept the status quo, it's this attitude more than anything else I believe has contributed to the decline in standards so often cited on this forum. One last point S, let's try and keep the exchanges civil, shall we.
Very well stated and I agree 100%. One reason Tulip was great back in the day was Saeng kept a performance standard and the looks were always ok. Her mantra was "all girls do everything" and that was the truth. Never had to worry about wasting money on a non-performer. That is the way it should be in every shop. The only thing you should have to consider is who is attractive to you.You exaggerate a little. I can't tell what percentage of girls performed since I did not try them all. Some were not quite a pass to my specs. Also I did have the odd dud girl in approx. Year 2008 as I already mentioned. Perhaps you refer to even earlier years of Tulip.
It is probably safe to say that some of the newbie girls in Tulip could not hack it and didn't last long. However the lacklustre Benz was there for some time. Its possible she improved but no repeat for me.
The shop cannot tell how good the girl will be when she is a newbie just starting right? So did many non performing newbies get fired or keave of their own accord? I don't accept that all girls will be excellent with training. Stamina is not necessarily trainable as an example.
Tulip was once an exciting shop for me* but eventually I stopped attending after the line up seemed to be deteriorating and was so hard to find any girl attractive enough for several visits over a fair time span. I have not done any Snow White girls recently either, but its no hassle to check SW as its close to several other alternative shops.
Addict has lots of girls but only 2 or 3 have face looks well above average on their web site to my taste, so its clear I am exceptionally fussy about natural looks without detectable fake noses or obvious silicones.
Eric Swiss
04-20-16, 16:27
Typical Addict experience. I'm not even on the doorstep and some girl inside opens up the door for me. How do they know? Surveillance camera? Telepathy?
Couple Japanese guys sitting on the couch with 25+ girls looking at them. We're talking mid-afternoon, where else in BKK can you find 25 hotties begging for your money? Mamasan tells me to sit on her side and pick. One tall young Japanese guy is clearly uncomfortable and gets up to leave, but she grabs him by the wrist and sweet-talks him into staying. I take it as my cue to choose quickly, and there's this girl who's clearly egging me on. I make a second scan for her thighs, and she's all fine, so green light. I eject and leave the Japs to their quandary with the Mamasan and a horde of desperate hookers. Foregone conclusion how they're going to finish up.
Jacuzzi. More expensive, but possibly the most erotic experience money can buy you in Bangkok. I'm not talking about the actual banging. Although that's good too. But just the slippery slidey, I hide my tits under the foam but I pull your dick, kind of frolicking the girls love to indulge in. Given enough foam, they perform like actresses. I was hard all the time.
Air is actually really good. Funny thing is, she was adamant we'd been together before, but I have zero recollection. As a matter of fact, if I had already reviewed her for this August board, I would not burden you with a second version, but there really is no trace. Which doesn't mean it didn't happen. She's skinny, nice tits, braces, wonderful butt and body, no tattoo. A real pro.
The banging itself was good. She was tight. She paid her dues in all sorts of positions. The 400 strokes were reached and exceeded without complaints from her side. She has one of the nicest tight butts I've seen in weeks. I have this theory that taking the same girl to the bathtub or even jacuzzi room versus shower room, she gives you better performance, even though she makes same money, just because she feels pampered, and also her value to the Mamasan goes up.
Would I recommend? She's hot. Personally I hate braces, but my dick completely overruled me on this one. Who says it's a democracy in my head?
Would I repeat? I already did. Allegedly. But if she winks at me again in the line-up I'm probably toast.
You exaggerate a little. I can't tell what percentage of girls performed since I did not try them all. Some were not quite a pass to my specs. Also I did have the odd dud girl in approx. Year 2008 as I already mentioned. Perhaps you refer to even earlier years of Tulip.
It is probably safe to say that some of the newbie girls in Tulip could not hack it and didn't last long. However the lacklustre Benz was there for some time. Its possible she improved but no repeat for me.
The shop cannot tell how good the girl will be when she is a newbie just starting right? So did many non performing newbies get fired or keave of their own accord? I don't accept that all girls will be excellent with training. Stamina is not necessarily trainable as an example.
Tulip was once an exciting shop for me* but eventually I stopped attending after the line up seemed to be deteriorating and was so hard to find any girl attractive enough for several visits over a fair time span. I have not done any Snow White girls recently either, but its no hassle to check SW as its close to several other alternative shops.
Addict has lots of girls but only 2 or 3 have face looks well above average on their web site to my taste, so its clear I am exceptionally fussy about natural looks without detectable fake noses or obvious silicones.Yes, by 08 things had changed a bit. Not all gals could cut it. Those that didn't would hit the road fairly quickly. I still say that overall Tulip has the most consistent performers. However, looks there are just not good at all now.
Addict is just too hit and miss in the performance area for me. Honestly, when I go into a shop I just should not have to worry about performance. It should be a given. P4 P seems to be one of the few services on this planet for which folks are willing to settle for mediocre performance and in some cases providers not doing their jobs and still not complain.
I have to say it's difficult to know Syzygies what point you are trying to make other than letting us know for the 7994th time what you like and how you operate. Big dick, takes a long time to come, doesn't like fake noises, face has to be right before checking the body even if it's slim, has a girlfriend, doesn't drink, prefers his favorite girls in different shops, calls before he goes there etc etc etc we've got it, really we have. As regards believing management having no effect on staff performance and therefore we must accept the status quo, it's this attitude more than anything else I believe has contributed to the decline in standards so often cited on this forum. One last point S, let's try and keep the exchanges civil, shall we.It's really in our hands guys. When we have a bad session we need to man up and tell the mamasan that things were not hunky dory. And she will listen, especially if we are long time customers. Lately I have taken a few newbies in some of the shops and their service has not been up to par. Each has been enthusiastic but their skill set was nowhere near developed enough to be working in a PSE oily shop. Each time when I went downstairs I told the mamasan or owner about my experience. Sang the praises of the enthusiastic gal but told the mamasans and owners that they needed to spend a little more time training the gal. If more of us would do this instead of slinking away and complaining only on the board, which does not good, we might see some meaningful change.
Are the photos on their website relatively accurate?
Typical Addict experience. I'm not even on the doorstep and some girl inside opens up the door for me. How do they know? Surveillance camera? Telepathy?
Couple Japanese guys sitting on the couch with 25+ girls looking at them. We're talking mid-afternoon, where else in BKK can you find 25 hotties begging for your money? Mamasan tells me to sit on her side and pick. One tall young Japanese guy is clearly uncomfortable and gets up to leave, but she grabs him by the wrist and sweet-talks him into staying. I take it as my cue to choose quickly, and there's this girl who's clearly egging me on. I make a second scan for her thighs, and she's all fine, so green light. I eject and leave the Japs to their quandary with the Mamasan and a horde of desperate hookers. Foregone conclusion how they're going to finish up.
Jacuzzi. More expensive, but possibly the most erotic experience money can buy you in Bangkok. I'm not talking about the actual banging. Although that's good too. But just the slippery slidey, I hide my tits under the foam but I pull your dick, kind of frolicking the girls love to indulge in. Given enough foam, they perform like actresses. I was hard all the time.
Air is actually really good. Funny thing is, she was adamant we'd been together before, but I have zero recollection. As a matter of fact, if I had already reviewed her for this August board, I would not burden you with a second version, but there really is no trace. Which doesn't mean it didn't happen. She's skinny, nice tits, braces, wonderful butt and body, no tattoo. A real pro.
The banging itself was good. She was tight. She paid her dues in all sorts of positions. The 400 strokes were reached and exceeded without complaints from her side. She has one of the nicest tight butts I've seen in weeks. I have this theory that taking the same girl to the bathtub or even jacuzzi room versus shower room, she gives you better performance, even though she makes same money, just because she feels pampered, and also her value to the Mamasan goes up.
Would I recommend? She's hot. Personally I hate braces, but my dick completely overruled me on this one. Who says it's a democracy in my head?
Would I repeat? I already did. Allegedly. But if she winks at me again in the line-up I'm probably toast.
Eric Swiss
04-21-16, 01:54
Are the photos on their website relatively accurate?Relatively, yes. I can personally vouch for Air, Oil, Sandy and Ami. I don't know much about the others, probably I haven't taken them upstairs, and certainly I can't remember them.
Oil is actually better looking in person than in the picture. They made her face look like a horse.
I can guarantee there is no switch-and-bait. It's really them and their bodies. I don't really even see much photoshopping, but I am not an expert in graphical design.
Photographer used the pose, the lighting and the make-up to make the girls look a little bit better and younger than they are in real life, but that's fair game. Also you don't see braces in the pics but many girls have them.
Relatively, yes. I can personally vouch for Air, Oil, Sandy and Ami. I don't know much about the others, probably I haven't taken them upstairs, and certainly I can't remember them.
Oil is actually better looking in person than in the picture. They made her face look like a horse.
I can guarantee there is no switch-and-bait. It's really them and their bodies. I don't really even see much photoshopping, but I am not an expert in graphical design.
Photographer used the pose, the lighting and the make-up to make the girls look a little bit better and younger than they are in real life, but that's fair game. Also you don't see braces in the pics but many girls have them.I would agree for the most part, except most of the gals in Addict are a bit heavier in real life than they appear in their pictures. Sandy has put on quite a few kilos since that pic was taken but she is a stellar performer. Oil is thin but has some baby damage on her. In fact a bit too much for me. To my eyes she looks better in her picture. Great attitude though.
It's really in our hands guys. When we have a bad session we need to man up and tell the mamasan that things were not hunky dory. And she will listen, especially if we are long time customers. Lately I have taken a few newbies in some of the shops and their service has not been up to par. Each has been enthusiastic but their skill set was nowhere near developed enough to be working in a PSE oily shop. Each time when I went downstairs I told the mamasan or owner about my experience. Sang the praises of the enthusiastic gal but told the mamasans and owners that they needed to spend a little more time training the gal. If more of us would do this instead of slinking away and complaining only on the board, which does not good, we might see some meaningful change.Agreed for the most part. Unlike some here who should know better, the training, oversight, and general atmosphere maintained at particular PSE shops is critical to the service given. If it were not, service at Nataree would be on par with the service given at some of the better PSE shops. It clearly is not, and one would be hard pressed to conclude it is just a fortuitous difference in service levels that has nothing to do with training and / or the standards of service required at the various venues.
Sure, even at a PSE shop there will be under performers, but the average level of service will be much higher than, e.g., at many soapies, and there is a reason for this that goes beyond the fact the better soapies may have better looking girls. Does one doubt the propensity of CBJs at Nataree, for example, vs. the complete lack of them at the PSEs (perhaps with the very rare exception) reflects on the management practices at the respective places?
Clearly though service at the PSEs has diminished on average over the course of the last few years. I suspect this may reflect the competition among PSE places for girls as the number of PSE places has increased and as the non P4 P job market has gotten better. As a result there may be hesitancy by the managements to require the high standards of service previously required owing to this may make it more difficult to recruit girls to work for them. In other words, rather than compete for customers, many of these places are likely now competing for employees and consequently may have softened what they require of their employees.
If the mongering community made clear they would only patronize these places if service levels were high, perhaps the pendulum would swing back and the PSE oilies would concentrate as much on competing for customers as they now seem to do competing for the girls. One part of this is letting management know if a girl's service is sub-standard and making it clear sub-standard service translates into no return visits. And given management at some of the places does read forums such as this one (as evidenced, e.g., by some responses from a PSE shop that were made here to a post about it I posted here some time ago), posting complaints here is not a futile exercise, but represents one other way to get through that competition for customers is as important as competition for employees.
I'm not suggesting we will ever get back to how things were a few years ago, but I am suggesting we shouldn't allow things to slide without raising objections because it is only through the raising of objections the present trend towards less service can be reversed, or at least stopped.
Eric Swiss
04-21-16, 07:31
I would agree for the most part, except most of the gals in Addict are a bit heavier in real life than they appear in their pictures. Sandy has put on quite a few kilos since that pic was taken but she is a stellar performer. Oil is thin but has some baby damage on her. In fact a bit too much for me. To my eyes she looks better in her picture. Great attitude though.Great to have independent confirmation that it was not just all my beer goggles talking!
I agree with the caveat and would amend my overall conclusion to: "Photographer used the pose, the lighting and the make-up to make the girls look a little bit better, thinner and younger than they are in real life. ".
Also worth mentioning is that the Addict uniform is pretty, but occasionally hides some stuff that would normally be visible in a gogo bar.
It's really in our hands guys. When we have a bad session we need to man up and tell the mamasan that things were not hunky dory. And she will listen, especially if we are long time customers. Lately I have taken a few newbies in some of the shops and their service has not been up to par. Each has been enthusiastic but their skill set was nowhere near developed enough to be working in a PSE oily shop. Each time when I went downstairs I told the mamasan or owner about my experience. Sang the praises of the enthusiastic gal but told the mamasans and owners that they needed to spend a little more time training the gal. If more of us would do this instead of slinking away and complaining only on the board, which does not good, we might see some meaningful change.Agree with you on the complaints to mamasans and management on these issues. However, when we talk about "training" I assume we are mostly talking about particular ACTS that ought to be expected in a given venue rather than specifically how well that act is done, no? I mean, we can't presume a mamasan or the manager at any of these venues would actually KNOW the difference between a good blowjob or a bad one, how the girl needs to move her hands, mouth, etc. And so on, much less be able to SHOW girls how to do it over time. LOL. Sure, there would be exceptions where the owner of a Blowjob Bar who previously was successful as a practitioner herself could certainly show a new girl her best techniques. But that isn't really what we're talking about with regard to "training" at MPs and Soapies, is it? I have always assumed that by "training" we were mostly talking about whether or not the girl has EVER been told by a mamasan or manager that, for example, a real blowjob (not mere oral foreplay) as suggested by their offered services is NOT to be covered with a condom and ends with CIM or something on that order. Whether or not the girl goes too fast, is doing something annoying with her hands, etc. Is so subjective from customer to customer as to be more counterproductive than beneficial if it were part of some "training", no?
But I cannot agree that complaining about sub-par service on these message boards does no good. Aside from the fact that some venue owners might actually look into what is being said about their place of business on the internet, the greater good that it accomplishes at least in some small way is that it helps the newbie, lurker and potential visitor to the venues understand what is conventionally considered BAD service in a Thai P4P venue that should not to be merely accepted as "normal" and worth the time and money. And should be complained about to the mamasan and management. Seriously, I have read Field Reports here and elsewhere on the 'net on some of these MPs and Soapies that appear virtually identical to the (in my mind) objectively negative one StevenLee reported and on which Franciscass wrote his spot on response comment (the girl allowed no DFK, gave CBJ only, etc. , for 2,500+ baht) that concludes with the guy saying it was a "great GFE. I gave the girl a 300 baht tip" or something like that! Unless these kinds of reports are made and the service complained about to other potential customers, especially newbies and those on their way to Thailand for the experience, it would be easy for many to assume not being allowed to feel her tits, not being allowed DFK and only getting CBJ for 2,500+ baht was perfectly normal and it was unrealistic for anyone to expect more, just pay up, move on and be happy about it.
A couple of months ago I read a Field Report on, guess where, TULIP! It was either here or on another board, I can't remember now, where the guy got two pops as agreed upon but both of them were Handjobs! In fact, it might have been that one of those handjobs was him giving it to himself! And that was a glowingly good report, followed up by a dozen 'atta boy congratulations from other readers for telling us what a great time could be had at TULIP! Two handjobs! At TULIP, the supposed high standard bearer for the PSE shops, no? That is the danger in not encouraging whining and complaining about lousy service in any of these venues on these message boards; little by little the apologists for lousy service hold a greater influence over what is worth 2,500+ baht, promoting the nonsense that stuff like that just needs to be accepted as part of the mongering game in Thailand to the point of either ignoring it if not outright rewarding it with tips and so on, than those of us who know better.
Anyway, that is why I fully encourage any whiners and complainers not to hesitate for a moment to vent here and elsewhere on what you think was lousy service in any venue so those of us who recognize it as such can agree, as Franciscass did re StevenLee's report. IMO, it serves a better purpose on ISG and elsewhere than the apologists who rarely if ever find fault in the girl or the managment for any bad experience or lousy service rather than in the customer.
Agree with you on the complaints to mamasans and management on these issues. However, when we talk about "training" I assume we are mostly talking about particular ACTS that ought to be expected in a given venue rather than specifically how well that act is done, no? I mean, we can't presume a mamasan or the manager at any of these venues would actually KNOW the difference between a good blowjob or a bad one, how the girl needs to move her hands, mouth, etc. And so on, much less be able to SHOW girls how to do it over time. LOL. Sure, there would be exceptions where the owner of a Blowjob Bar who previously was successful as a practitioner herself could certainly show a new girl her best techniques. But that isn't really what we're talking about with regard to "training" at MPs and Soapies, is it? I have always assumed that by "training" we were mostly talking about whether or not the girl has EVER been told by a mamasan or manager that, for example, a real blowjob (not mere oral foreplay) as suggested by their offered services is NOT to be covered with a condom and ends with CIM or something on that order. Whether or not the girl goes too fast, is doing something annoying with her hands, etc. Is so subjective from customer to customer as to be more counterproductive than beneficial if it were part of some "training", no?Back when, I remember reading some reports on another board by reliable reporters that they were sometimes asked at Tulip whether they wanted to have a threesome, where a newbie who needed training would be accompanied by an experienced girl. The experienced girl would direct the newbie both on what acts to do, and how to do them well. My memory is not clear enough to name the girls who served as trainers, but I do recall that I had some great sessions with some of them albeit regrettably no during a training session.
So, given both the high service levels I experienced at Tulip over the years and the reports of how they trained their girls, I have always believed the good service at Tulip was at least in part the result of the way they trained their girls. And to emphasize what I stated earlier, those here who claim training is not important, or has insignificant effects need to explain why it is the PSE shops, at least historically, have given PSE experiences whereas many of the other venues give the farthest thing from it.
Back when, I remember reading some reports on another board by reliable reporters that they were sometimes asked at Tulip whether they wanted to have a threesome, where a newbie who needed training would be accompanied by an experienced girl. The experienced girl would direct the newbie both on what acts to do, and how to do them well. My memory is not clear enough to name the girls who served as trainers, but I do recall that I had some great sessions with some of them albeit regrettably no during a training session.
So, given both the high service levels I experienced at Tulip over the years and the reports of how they trained their girls, I have always believed the good service at Tulip was at least in part the result of the way they trained their girls. And to emphasize what I stated earlier, those here who claim training is not important, or has insignificant effects need to explain why it is the PSE shops, at least historically, have given PSE experiences whereas many of the other venues give the farthest thing from it.To put some meat on the bones of what I posted above, I just checked the other site that I remembered some relevant reports from and saw that in 2007 Nin and Dao of Tulip were two of the girls who trained newbies, often in sessions with willing customers. I never had a session with either, but later did have solo sessions with some of the other trainers, whose names continue to slip my mind.
Back when, I remember reading some reports on another board by reliable reporters that they were sometimes asked at Tulip whether they wanted to have a threesome, where a newbie who needed training would be accompanied by an experienced girl. The experienced girl would direct the newbie both on what acts to do, and how to do them well. My memory is not clear enough to name the girls who served as trainers, but I do recall that I had some great sessions with some of them albeit regrettably no during a training session.
So, given both the high service levels I experienced at Tulip over the years and the reports of how they trained their girls, I have always believed the good service at Tulip was at least in part the result of the way they trained their girls. And to emphasize what I stated earlier, those here who claim training is not important, or has insignificant effects need to explain why it is the PSE shops, at least historically, have given PSE experiences whereas many of the other venues give the farthest thing from it.That titillating offer would be better than nothing, I suppose. The best thing about that approach is it would impress upon the new girl that they really mean what they say about offering this or that act / service and that just talking about it or promising it is not the end of the story, she's got to actually DO it. But, honestly, based on what so many guys on these message boards subjectively consider to be "good" and "bad", and as evidenced by what I have encountered in most venues lately, I wouldn't put much faith in either the trainer OR the lucky fellow knowing shit from shinola about what a good blowjob is, for example, and having it be locked into the mind of a new trainee. I am sure I would still have to literally reach down to loosen the death grip on my pecker and smack her on the snout with my rolled up newspaper (figuratively, of course) trying to get her to please for the love of god stop going as fast as a jackhammer on it and slow down. LOL.
But it is the fact that someone in authority has taken the time and trouble to impress upon the girl that, again for example, a BBBJ CIM is expected of her without hassle and boring and deflating further negotiations about it in the room. That would be a major plus. How "good" it is done would be still be up to the customer's ability or interest in teaching her on the spot to do it his way. Then, too, the understanding that one size or one technique would not fit all and that some reasonable level of adjustment from customer to customer is expected can also be a "trainable" concept for the girl, if someone had ever bothered to mention it from the beginning.
Agree with you about the obvious difference from venue to venue coming very much from the top down and not about each girl going rogue and making up her own rules for the venue. And, of course, we have also talked about how a certain "Venue Culture" is developed when the more charismatic or popular girls (the leaders) set the tone and standards for what most of the other girls in a particular venue need to do in order to compete or fit in. That is another form of top down "training" as well. But not nearly as reliable as coming directly from the mamasan or management.
To put some meat on the bones of what I posted above, I just checked the other site that I remembered some relevant reports from and saw that in 2007 Nin and Dao of Tulip were two of the girls who trained newbies, often in sessions with willing customers. I never had a session with either, but later did have solo sessions with some of the other trainers, whose names continue to slip my mind.Sounds like Nin, Dao and the other "trainers" in those days felt that their place of business, the other girls and they themselves would not please enough customers and, therefore, make enough money unless the girls knew what to do, knew how to do it and, most importantly, DID it. And that apologists for lousy service was their enemy, not their friends. Sadly, that is probably not the case much anymore. To a certain degree, I blame this very medium, the internet and the relatively new ability for apologists on these kinds of message boards to make a persistent and heartfelt case for customer forgiveness and acceptance of lousy service. The end result is that approach has done no one on either side of the industry, the business owners, the girls or the customers, any favors.
To a certain degree, I blame this very medium, the internet and the relatively new ability for apologists on these kinds of message boards to make a persistent and heartfelt case for customer forgiveness and acceptance of lousy service.The thing I find most troubling about the apologist mindset is they are quick to blame the messenger (customer) for poor performances:
You must have done something wrong, you must have approached her wrong, you did not make your wants clear, you don't get how the game is played, you don't know how to treat a lady, you must have been having a bad day, you have an negative agenda, ect ect. And of course accompanied with the pre-requsit I have never experienced these issues as the pile on.
And in the case of the establishment where the reviews are predominantly negative it becomes all of you are wrong.
I think it takes more effort and motivation to write a negative review than it does a positive review. IMO writing a positive review comes easy, and a so-so session is quickly forgotten; but a punter really has to be fairly offended to offer up criticism.
SL.
Franciscass
04-21-16, 15:41
Sounds like Nin, Dao and the other "trainers" in those days felt that their place of business, the other girls and they themselves would not please enough customers and, therefore, make enough money unless the girls knew what to do, knew how to do it and, most importantly, DID it. And that apologists for lousy service was their enemy, not their friends. Sadly, that is probably not the case much anymore. To a certain degree, I blame this very medium, the internet and the relatively new ability for apologists on these kinds of message boards to make a persistent and heartfelt case for customer forgiveness and acceptance of lousy service. The end result is that approach has done no one on either side of the industry, the business owners, the girls or the customers, any favors.There are certain establishments who through their apologist surrogates belittle anybody who dares to criticize posted experiences of bad service by claiming ulterior vendetta based motives. Members should be allowed to express their views without being pilloried and by so doing prevent naive newbies from being taken advantage of and hopefully help to improve standards. I agree, you are right, shilling particularly by internet savvy operators helps to keep in business outfits with low standards who care not a whit about customer satisfaction whether it is the condition of their premises or the mind set of their staff in providing acceptable service but as was true back in the days and unfortunately still is a new sucker is born every minute and so on it goes.
Eric Swiss
04-22-16, 07:26
Went to Pink Panther in Patpong. A first for me! Super hot skinny girls. I looked for Badabing but never found it.
Then bounced to Angelwitch in Nana. Nice show was on.
Bit of a blur, but Climax and Levels were in the mix. Levels was a bit annoying, too many people trying to look rich. I was looking for Sandy from Addict who says she goes there but might as well find a needle in a haystack.
Stumbled literally into a hot girl at the entrance of the little passageway near Villa Market on Soi 11. I knew I was blasted drunk, likely could get it up but would be difficult to cum, figured at minimum I'd get a nice massage. She pulled me into her "regular" massage shop where the older fat ladies looked at me askance. Her name was Pookie. What broke the ice is I told her I'd been with Pa a couple of times. She's friends with Pa. So she knows I'm a serious customer. We never even once discussed price.
Massage escalated into handjob escalated into blowjob, before I knew it I was banging the crap out of her. Afterwards she told me her legs were still shaking. She's very skinny, small tits but I don't mind that much. She seems to be more concerned with that than I was. I gave her 2000. Best money I ever spent that night.
Would I recommend? Hell yes! Would I repeat? Probably inadvertently. That happened to me once with Pa, I thought she was a new conquest, but she actually remembered me from months ago, and sure enough I double-checked my previous postings on this forum and she'd fucked me before. Basically anybody on the steps of that alleyway near Villa Market and Soi 11 who looks fuckable I'd jump on.
There are certain establishments who through their apologist surrogates belittle anybody who dares to criticize posted experiences of bad service by claiming ulterior vendetta based motives. Members should be allowed to express their views without being pilloried and by so doing prevent naive newbies from being taken advantage of and hopefully help to improve standards. I agree, you are right, shilling particularly by internet savvy operators helps to keep in business outfits with low standards who care not a whit about customer satisfaction whether it is the condition of their premises or the mind set of their staff in providing acceptable service but as was true back in the days and unfortunately still is a new sucker is born every minute and so on it goes.I am hounding you simply because you were hounding anyone who posted something positive in the Annies thread claiming every one of them must be a shill since no real positive experiences are possible. Clearly a psycho vendetta in my view. I don't see others are so determined to trash a thread. There could be a revenge motive. Its more normal to stay away from threads of little interest to someone.
Still waiting to see you report of having fun, a positive experience somewhere, instead of only shit dumping. Why monger and post at all, if you can't have any fun?
I continue to have fun experiences in lots of venues including Annies. I don't care about the management. Only specific girls are of interest to me.
This week had only repeat girls from Crazy House, Annies, Bongkot and Mango so far. All good! All well above average looks and slim but curvy without fat legs. Some girls have even improved over time due to getting used to each other and knowing what I like. My requirements maybe very different from guys wanting very specific acts from pornstars. No girls has really offered me anal for a year. I requested and tried with a Bongkot girl who had a sore pussy a few months back but she was too tight and couldn't get it in there (had been off work too long before I guess). Normal fuck worked but she could not do doggy too well at the time.
If just one poster I don't know claims a girl experience was great or bad, I am not going to believe it too much. If a girl gets consistently good reports or consistently bad reports, with only odd exception, from several posters I may take more notice and could sway me if I was at all undecided.
However nothing is Guaranteed. At Snow White Benz was getting rave reviews but was not worth repeating for me. She seemed bubbly but not really GFE. On other hand I enjoyed a great GFE with Emmy I think was the name, and someone else posted a positive report, yet Goatscrot thought she was lousy. Girls cannot be fantastic for everyone I guess.
Franciscass
04-22-16, 11:49
There were two movie choices last night on TV so I googled Rotten Tomatoes to get a drift of what each was about. The central character of the first movie was a psycho with a vendetta against shady on line operators while the second had a narcissist who had bored to death his one remaining friend with endless repetitive tales of his sex life. To end the agony the friend had toyed with the idea of using his 45 but instead decided to get as far away as possible and went to live deep in a forest in Outer Mongolia. Now friendless but still believing his sex life was so so interesting it must be shared he takes to the internet and posts endless self-absorbed tales of his goings on. So which one did I watch? Neither, I went for a beer and a shag instead.
There were two movie choices last night on TV so I googled Rotten Tomatoes to get a drift of what each was about. The central character of the first movie was a psycho with a vendetta against shady on line operators while the second had a narcissist who had bored to death his one remaining friend with endless repetitive tales of his sex life. To end the agony the friend had toyed with the idea of using his 45 but instead decided to get as far away as possible and went to live deep in a forest in Outer Mongolia. Now friendless but still believing his sex life was so so interesting it must be shared he takes to the internet and posts endless self-absorbed tales of his goings on. So which one did I watch? Neither, I went for a beer and a shag instead.
Nice satire. ha ha.
Is it Narcistist to report a good fun experience with a girl or good service from a waitress?
Is that why you never report any good experiences? I seriously don't understand why only the negative stuff motivates you to post.
I can report negative girl experiences as well, but that is a low percentage right now. Should be less than 20%
Nice satire. ha ha.
Is it Narcistist to report a good fun experience with a girl or good service from a waitress?
Is that why you never report any good experiences? I seriously don't understand why only the negative stuff motivates you to post.
I can report negative girl experiences as well, but that is a low percentage right now. Should be less than 20%Truthfully when I take a punt on a new gal I rarely feel highly satisfied. Gals rarely rate over a "B" in my book these days. Sometimes the effort is there but not the skills, sometimes the looks with no skill, sometimes there is skill and enthusiasm but looks are lacking. I have no wonder why most of the reports on this forum are negative. Sorry for the money that P4 P costs in BKK these days, I have high expectations. Back when it was 25 USD, sometimes less, mediocre was acceptable. But to pay in some cases 3 to 4 times that for the same mediocre performance, no thank you.
Franciscass
04-23-16, 12:02
Nice satire. ha ha.
Is it Narcistist to report a good fun experience with a girl or good service from a waitress?
Is that why you never report any good experiences? I seriously don't understand why only the negative stuff motivates you to post.
I can report negative girl experiences as well, but that is a low percentage right now. Should be less than 20%OK S, I'll try. The first thing I noticed about her as she smiled at me were her eyes. I could see she would be eager to please and take care of my every need, I had no doubt my satisfaction would be foremost on her mind. She was on the right side of thirty with a petite body just the type I like. Most important her nose was as god made it and her boobs while not large were proportionate to her slender frame. Yes I was sure I had to come to the right place to get taken care of. My heart was pounding, how was I going to handle this what would I ask from her, play it straight or go for something more exotic? Time wise I could spend an hour my normal period but no that would not be enough to appreciate her beauty and grace. When it was all over and I left totally satisfied I had to admit her service was one of the best experiences I have had in a long time, professional, technically excellent in all aspects yes she a damn fine waitress. WIR, yes in a heartbeat.
Truthfully when I take a punt on a new gal I rarely feel highly satisfied. Gals rarely rate over a "B" in my book these days. Sometimes the effort is there but not the skills, sometimes the looks with no skill, sometimes there is skill and enthusiasm but looks are lacking. I have no wonder why most of the reports on this forum are negative. Sorry for the money that P4 P costs in BKK these days, I have high expectations. Back when it was 25 USD, sometimes less, mediocre was acceptable. But to pay in some cases 3 to 4 times that for the same mediocre performance, no thank you.A fair point, however even giving a girl an average rating does not have to be seen as very negative. In 8 days I only tried two new girls. One I have known a little almost two years turned out to be excellent with great BBBJ skills, and other was probably just mediocre, not having any special "skills" but at least had an exceptional ass.
I suppose it is not even on the mind of bargirls in general that they should be developing special skills, relying on male lust to choose them for a fuck. MP girls are perhaps a bit more skills focussed, since they might realise that it may be important towards building up a regular customer base. Bargirls maybe too dumb to realise this in a lot of cases. I notice a few girls that are ugly, hook a customer, by acting very raunchy. Doesn't work for me. If she is ugly, being raunchy doesn't help. I ignore the ugly raunchy ones that approach me aggressively.
Naturally when I find girls that suit to me, I keep repeating them to greatly reduce the risk of unenjoyable sessions. It would be boring to report on the same girl so many times, so we tend to report new girls, with the higher risk on them being rather average or below average even.
I am not going to be very negative about a girl, if she can't do deep throat, anal, or refuses fingers in pussy (as examples). I don't regard some things as being standard in service. Last 8 girls I had, turns out none refused fingers in pussy, so was lucky with the new girls (only 2 new girls). One new girl could do Deep throat. Again I got lucky. Very few girls seem to do rimming, unless specifically requested as well, so I assume this is not a standard service. I did request it recently at Bongkot, just to find out if was really better than ball licking or not for me. Was okay But not that special. Maybe some other girls do it better. I must be a strange customer as I rarely request any special services from the girl, except for indicating positions I like, such as 69, doggie, prone, spooning etc. , and usually just see what services the girl likes to provide, and try to have a fun time.
It must be that guys choosing a new girl, or subsequent follow-up session, are getting a wonderful session on occasions. Yet we get too few reports on those girls. The forum becomes very negative focussed, which is not so useful to me. I want to know where to find the prettiest hottest girls, not the crap ones.
It is many years since I mongered in my home country. 90% of hookers were too professional, poor service, very procedural, no GFE, maybe except for shops with Thai and Korean girls.
I don't see that girls have deteriorated so much in Thailand over 23 years, however I do find soapie girls are far more hit and miss than my early days at Chaopraya 2, with so many girls having figures not up to standard and so many being scared of dick. Perhaps because I had a great mamasan to assist me there at CP2, and girls were generally more experienced and facing strong competition. I never went to pornstar shops in early days. Only tried Tulip about 9 or 10 years ago as my first one, and did become a regular for some time, even though no anal service for me. Sometimes CIM was my only P.S. Activity, so I must be very conservative sexually, nothing deviant at all.
I have become far more fussy about girl looks. Unfortunately the high prevalence of young fatties, nose jobs, and silicone jobs has greatly reduced the pool of available girls to me, and perhaps there are less stunning girls are in P4 P these days. Too any nice lookers wasted on Coyote shops?
Girls worth fucking have to still exist. LOL East European girls and Latin girls may perform better than Thai on average but they are costing significantly more per 90 minutes (in Europe). Good for guys wanting only a 30 min quickie though.
Perhaps I should be trying Indonesia and South America to make a fair comparison to Thai. I know Cambodia is really cheap, but when I see guys' photos of their Cambodian girls, I am rather underwhelmed. I suspect Thais are generally better looking than Phnom Penh hookers without having tried PP.
I assume guys would move on if they are not at all happy with the sex scene here.
It must be that guys choosing a new girl, or subsequent follow-up session, are getting a wonderful session on occasions. Yet we get too few reports on those girls. The forum becomes very negative focussed, which is not so useful to me. I want to know where to find the prettiest hottest girls, not the crap ones.One of the reasons many guys don't want to share glowing reviews of the prettiest, hottest girls they score in Bangkok or almost anywhere for that matter is we don't want to share them even with our closest friends, why would we want to share them with an unlimited number of strangers on the internet? If a girl meets a certain basic minimum requirement of the job without any tricks, I might share a bar number or a name. And I will recommemd or praise certain venues or category of girls I have had a good experience with.
But when I discover a gem who exceeds all of my expectations and I know very well I will be interested in being with her many times in the future, and I have several of those in my stable, there ain't no way I'm giving guys all over the interenet the directions to the buried treasure I put the time, money and effort into discovering.
You think striking real "gold" in the Bangkok P4 P scene is so easy and commonplace that you can just toss off the stellar performers and sweethearts to any and all comers because another boat load is showing up tomorrow? I don't.
Honestly, I don't know why anyone would share so much detailed identification and contact information with the best girls they have found, unless none of the girls they cite with names, numbers, location, hours of operation and so on really rocked their world all that much in any particularly memorable way in the first place.
I am not going to be very negative about a girl, if she can't do deep throat, anal, or refuses fingers in pussy (as examples). I don't regard some things as being standard in service. Last 8 girls I had, turns out none refused fingers in pussy, so was lucky with the new girls (only 2 new girls). One new girl could do Deep throat. Again I got lucky. Very few girls seem to do rimming, unless specifically requested as well, so I assume this is not a standard service. I did request it recently at Bongkot, just to find out if was really better than ball licking or not for me. Was okay But not that special. Maybe some other girls do it better. I must be a strange customer as I rarely request any special services from the girl, except for indicating positions I like, such as 69, doggie, prone, spooning etc. , and usually just see what services the girl likes to provide, and try to have a fun time.
It must be that guys choosing a new girl, or subsequent follow-up session, are getting a wonderful session on occasions. Yet we get too few reports on those girls. The forum becomes very negative focussed, which is not so useful to me. I want to know where to find the prettiest hottest girls, not the crap ones.To me standard service includes everything you would expect any GF to do. DFK, fingering, BBBJCIM, 69, screwing in multiple positions, DATY, and receiving rimming. Of course all with a good attitude, enthusiasm, and a modicum of skill. Anything less than that is unacceptable considering the P4 P prices these days and would probably result in me calling off the session and not paying what was agreed upon. Her rimming me and anal are optional and only expected in a PSE establishment. Deep throat is rare no matter where I am.
FirstHolliday
04-24-16, 21:50
1 time in this area and visited Thonglor 11, mamasan gave me a cute girl, but was a starfish, could not even do a BJ.
Second shot was in Snowwhite with Candy, good performance with deep throat, rimming, etc etc. To bad she has a very ugly tattoo on her stomich to hide some scars.
3th shot was in Naranee, wanted to see what all the fuss was about. About a 100 girls, but I choose wrong, nice enough girl but could not do anything.
4th was again in Snowwhite, and cherry did it for me, good session, loved her figure. Went back there once and again cherry.
Coming over in 2 weeks and am looking for some spinners who can do deep throat, petite slim girls, don't care about breasts, just small asses. Any tips?
To me standard service includes everything you would expect any GF to do. DFK, fingering, BBBJCIM, 69, screwing in multiple positions, DATY, and receiving rimming. Of course all with a good attitude, enthusiasm, and a modicum of skill. Anything less than that is unacceptable considering the P4 P prices these days and would probably result in me calling off the session and not paying what was agreed upon. Her rimming me and anal are optional and only expected in a PSE establishment. Deep throat is rare no matter where I am.My requirements for a standard session are pretty close to yours except for the rimming / anal part. I am not really interested in any butt play. I guess I would also be willing to drop "enthusiasm" from the mix as I am fine with pleasant "accommodation", her simply going along with whatever I want next, rather than her needing to exhibit real or feigned delight about it. And I would only be paying less than agreed upon IF all of those requirements were agreed to upfront by her but it turns out she was just saying "yes" outside the room in order to get me to commit. I will not reward liars in that way. If she changes her mind about what she will do for me in the room, I will change my mind about how much I will pay her. And that can go both ways, of course. I would pay more if she decides in the room that yes she would be fine with doing something I asked about outside when she said no to it. But I wouldn't penalize her by paying less for not reading my mind in the cases where nothing very specific was promised, discussed or agreed to upfront, unless the refusals are so outrageous as that she refuses damn near any physical contact or cooperation other than put on a condom, spreads her legs and wait.
Add to this the fact that I did indeed get a successful vasectomy many years ago and do indeed have a legitimate, current blood screening test document from Thai Red Cross showing that I tested negative / normal for anything and everything of significance. So if I were to tout a particular hottie here and exactly where to find her on the glowing review that she gave me a REAL GFE experience, bareback everything, swallowed every drop of my cum and seemed genuinely happy about it, only cost me 2,000 baht total, she stayed all night and virtually any man here would rate her a solid bargirl 8+ in looks, I am sure a ton of strangers all over the internet would be thrilled if I posted the location of the bar, her name, badge number, times most likely available and all of that. But they would likely NOT have had a vasectomy, do NOT have a current all clear blood screening document to show her and in all likelihood would not generate the same chemistry with her that I established on a first meeting anyway. Therefore, my giving such a girl a well deserved glowing good review here would not only be useless in the sense that every customer is different and not going to get the exact same service the previous one got, but it would also be potentially dangerous for her and counterproductive to MY being able to book her as often as I might want.
And the question still remains why in the world would I want her to be so busy with strangers I have touted her to all over the internet that unless I show up at precisely the right time early in the evening or happen to catch her between customers on a fluke, I won't even get to see her that often anymore? LOL.
Mark Inspire
04-25-16, 04:49
Hi,
I would be in BKK this week and would be hard pressed for time. Would be great if I can get some info about the following two queries:
1. I would be able to go to a soapy only at about 12 noon. I realize that the timing is bad, but I don't have a choice. Which soapy near Huey Khwang Metro is likely to have more number of girls at noon time?
2. Has anyone tried Akane massage near Soi33 recently? Hope its still fine. Will there be some girls available there at about 2 pm?
Thanks a lot!
Mark
Franciscass
04-25-16, 05:15
To me standard service includes everything you would expect any GF to do. DFK, fingering, BBBJCIM, 69, screwing in multiple positions, DATY, and receiving rimming. Of course all with a good attitude, enthusiasm, and a modicum of skill. Anything less than that is unacceptable considering the P4 P prices these days and would probably result in me calling off the session and not paying what was agreed upon. Her rimming me and anal are optional and only expected in a PSE establishment. Deep throat is rare no matter where I am.I am not so sure Goatscrot every working girl has to provide a complete range of services. What is important though is that what is and is not provided is clearly known in advance. It's then up to the customer to decide where to spend his money. It's possible some who provide a limited range of services will still be successful due to their looks and a sort of nice girl persona but a girl who for example refuses her tits being touched, has an issue with DATY or refuses even light kissing will soon find her looks and personality are not enough to get by on. Again I go back to the issue of management of venues being most important in whether customers are happy or not. The house menu should have each provider's range of services clearly stated whether there are extra charges for some services and which services are not available from that particular girl. He should be asked on his way out whether he was satisfied with the girl and he should not be shy about voicing his dissatisfaction if he wasn't. Sadly this interest in customer satisfaction is more the exception than the norm and the excuses some members keep regurgitating for owners of venues with below standard services is difficult to understand.
LoveHole69
04-25-16, 15:57
I left Thailand last year but have thought for ages now the good old days are long gone.
But I still like to read reports by people like Goatscrot, Syzgies etc which I feel contain a lot of useful information, but its like someone said why are people only posting negative stuff and then people answer they want to keep great girls secret, but then that defeats the point of the forum and I remember back years ago people did post loads of reports of great performers and it didn't matter because there were always loads of new ones to be found. I'm going to give reasons though why Bangkok now is not really a great place any more for mongering, first a little of this is because people get older and then their perception changes. 10 years ago I was so horny I would bang almost anything and enjoy it as long as they gave a great service with willingness also a lot of the ladies in the PSE shops are now not young for instance Yok her service was great but I didn't get very horny because of her now fatter loose body and lets face it if her sponsor hadn't traded her in she wouldn't be working, it seems there is not so much fresh and great talent which people on here keep discussing but there are reasons for this and its likely to become only more common. One big reason some one listed was all the rich Koreans etc coming spending a lot for bad service, but that's the tip of the iceberg Bangkok is now expensive the price of a lot of stuff is more than I pay in Europe and the girls who came to the PSE shops like snow white used to be indebted to people like Nong and other owners who would lend them large sums of money which would then be payed back with them working in the PSE shops almost like a sexual slavery which guaranteed the girls did their best without much complaint. Then finally a lot is said now about training being poorer, the funny thing is ladies like Dao who were such good trainers are not even into westerners and have the usual men the husband and you suspect as these ladies get older they aren't going to want to pass on their skills to new ladies who are only going to be completion to them. Why they did in the past I'm not sure of, maybe someone with more knowledge than me can chime in on this subject? People here have to remember the PSE shops are going to be more lax with training now because the owners of these shops have long since made their millions and them and their family's have started diversifying into other business and used their wealth to buy into other positions of higher privileged.
FirstHolliday
04-25-16, 21:15
12 = a bit to early I think.
2 pm for Akane is OK.
Hi,
I would be in BKK this week and would be hard pressed for time. Would be great if I can get some info about the following two queries:
1. I would be able to go to a soapy only at about 12 noon. I realize that the timing is bad, but I don't have a choice. Which soapy near Huey Khwang Metro is likely to have more number of girls at noon time?
2. Has anyone tried Akane massage near Soi33 recently? Hope its still fine. Will there be some girls available there at about 2 pm?
Thanks a lot!
Mark
Had a few good punts at this dump, but last night confirmed the worst.
I remember now all the pillow biting and 'jeb, jeb' and 'yai bai' (too big) over the years. Let me summarize the worst:
1. Last night. Got a lovely big boobed Messai girl onto the mattress and then 'Forgot KY, solly'. After working through the options, she said all that could be done was a flubby covered HJ. Politely, I walked out.
2. A month ago. Started in on the main course and she started bleeding everywhere. She wasn't even concerned about having her period and stiffing a customer, she didn't want to get into trouble for getting the mattress stained. Politely, I walked out.
3. A few months before that. The ugly tout (they're all ugly) followed me around, and as if to show me who was boss, he grabbed every girl I showed any interest in, and smirking, reached his hand down her scanty dress and groped her boobs. 'good service, boss.
4. A month before that. Sweet little number with braces. In the room wouldn't leave her phone alone. I ordered her, 'harm len torsup'. But she did it anyway. Clutched the thing while she grimaced at my entry. 'Jeb. Set laao?' (Hurts. Finished yet?
Let's be honest. There's hardly any cuties and most of those are now 5,000 be. How many times can you throw 2,600 be down the toilet? The service is at best uneven, but mostly terrible, overpriced and insulting. I complained twice: 'Solly boss', but no offer of recompense.
Boycott Nataree. They're smug and know they can go on getting away with treating punters as total mugs until their business suffers.
Therefore, my giving such a girl a well deserved glowing good review here would not only be useless in the sense that every customer is different and not going to get the exact same service the previous one got, but it would also be potentially dangerous for her and counterproductive to MY being able to book her as often as I might want.
And the question still remains why in the world would I want her to be so busy with strangers I have touted her to all over the internet that unless I show up at precisely the right time early in the evening or happen to catch her between customers on a fluke, I won't even get to see her that often anymore? LOL.EihTooms:
Your post here goes to the very nature of this forum and the reason for its existence. In my view, the purpose of the forum is to exchange information and perhaps give each other news of top producers. Your comments seem to negate the purpose of the forum. You seem to say that you won't provide names of your favorites, because others will see them and they will be so busy that you will not be able to see them. My view is that I want to share information and also help the good performers get more customers. In my case, I talk about good experiences, but I admit that I post after I leave Bangkok, so I will have plenty of time with them. However, I like to share the hidden treasure that I may have found to reward her and also share information, since I have learned so much from the forum myself. If everybody had your attitude, the forum would not be very useful.
EihTooms:
Your post here goes to the very nature of this forum and the reason for its existence. In my view, the purpose of the forum is to exchange information and perhaps give each other news of top producers. Your comments seem to negate the purpose of the forum. You seem to say that you won't provide names of your favorites, because others will see them and they will be so busy that you will not be able to see them.Fully agree with you. I don't quite understand ET's attitude, appears selfish to me. After all, this is a business transaction and we would like to know where to get the best deal. Unless you are planning to marry the girl, then I understand.
Crocodilexp
04-26-16, 15:39
EihTooms: If everybody had your attitude, the forum would not be very useful.Precisely, it's silly and frustrating. On some subforums (like HCMC Vietnam), many posters do have the "I found a great place / girl, but won't tell you" attitude, and it makes the forum pretty much useless.
Personally, I try to promote my favorite providers whenever I can. Getting more business is good for them (after all, most are not whoring for fun), good for the forum members to get better service, and good for the scene overall that good providers get to earn more.
In a place where supply and numbers of providers are limited, it makes some sense, but in Bangkok the scene is still large enough that it's highly unlikely that even the superstars will be busy 24/7. The worst is that you'll have to call ahead instead of just walking in.
Moreover, while mentioning a girl on the forum might get them a few more guys in the short term, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the number of customers they'll eventually handle anyway, simply by the nature of their business.
Your post here goes to the very nature of this forum and the reason for its existence. In my view, the purpose of the forum is to exchange information and perhaps give each other news of top producers. Your comments seem to negate the purpose of the forum. You seem to say that you won't provide names of your favorites, because others will see them and they will be so busy that you will not be able to see them. My view is that I want to share information and also help the good performers get more customersAn honest and positive review will help the ladies make more money; which is what they are in the business to do. Look at it as helping her out. It also helps steer fellow punters towards better P4 P experiences and away from the poor providers and tourist traps.
Where I part ways with some is detailing every aspect of the encounters. I can live without a blow by blow description of every insertion and excretion. I will just say the LadyX at LocationY was a lot of fun, preformed the typical GFE / PSE activities, and is worthy of consideration.
And the reality is the % bump in business she gets from a good ISG review pales in comparison to the to the number of customers she is already seeing.
SL.
EihTooms:
Your post here goes to the very nature of this forum and the reason for its existence. In my view, the purpose of the forum is to exchange information and perhaps give each other news of top producers. Your comments seem to negate the purpose of the forum. You seem to say that you won't provide names of your favorites, because others will see them and they will be so busy that you will not be able to see them. My view is that I want to share information and also help the good performers get more customers. In my case, I talk about good experiences, but I admit that I post after I leave Bangkok, so I will have plenty of time with them. However, I like to share the hidden treasure that I may have found to reward her and also share information, since I have learned so much from the forum myself. If everybody had your attitude, the forum would not be very useful.Well, here is one difference; I don't leave Bangkok. I live here. So when I find top performers to my taste my citing them specifically by location, hours of operation, name, badge number and so on, it will always be the case that I risk reducing my "plenty of time with them. " Bear in mind, my specific requirements to qualify for a "top performer" worthy of a glowing review as far as I am concerned includes a couple of details that most Thai P4 P girls would not consider standard "good" service but rather fairly special service reserved for someone with whom they have a certain chemistry, or so I am told by them and gather from the reports I read on these sites; bareback FS and BBBJ CIM + Swallow. Although it is entirely possible that some of the girls who deliver service like that to me do so for every guy who smiles at them and flashes 1000-2000 baht, I would not want to post online the exact identification of those girls who will do that for me. Your mileage will likely vary tremendously from mine, so that is why being so specific would be utterly useless, IMO.
But I tell you what I have done on this and other similar forums in terms of "sharing" and not being "selfish" and so on, putting myself on the chopping block for considerable flaming and ridicule along the way, but I do it anyway; that is to explain how anyone COULD improve his chances of getting bareback FS and / or BBBJ CIM + Swallow with a whole lot more Thai P4 P girls than one would suspect is up for it based on what is said in these forums. Isn't that enough? LOL. I mean, armed with that kind of "shared" information, you and anyone else can greatly improve your chances of getting what I would consider top performance from any P4 P girls you meet out there, no need to focus on my stable of sweeties. It generally comes down to abandoning so much initial focus on negotiating on price to save 500 baht or so and instead negotiating on actual acts for which your payment to the girl is fully conditional. And one of your conditions, if you really want to get what I consider top performance, would be FS no condom. Or BBBJ CIM + Swallow. It doesn't mean it will work every time with every customer and every girl. But you have to at least start asking.
You will find the overview on what I am talking about in my Posts #33419 and #33429 in the "Bangkok Reports" thread. Who else has posted a literal script for making WHATEVER it is that qualifies as top performance a greater possibility with more P4P girls other than me? LOL. I see it as the proverbial difference between handing someone a fish and teaching them to fish. Hand you my fish? No chance. Go out and catch your own fish, here's how. That sort of thing.
Traveler1234
04-26-16, 19:54
ET. No disrespect intended but you're not just being a little selfish but also naive for not 'sharing'. That's my one and only comment. :D.
An honest and positive review will help the ladies make more money; which is what they are in the business to do. Look at it as helping her out. It also helps steer fellow punters towards better P4 P experiences and away from the poor providers and tourist traps.
Where I part ways with some is detailing every aspect of the encounters. I can live without a blow by blow description of every insertion and excretion. I will just say the LadyX at LocationY was a lot of fun, preformed the typical GFE / PSE activities, and is worthy of consideration.
And the reality is the % bump in business she gets from a good ISG review pales in comparison to the to the number of customers she is already seeing.
SL.I agree with you for the most part. One of my more recent "positive" comments here (somewhere) and elsewhere was how pleased I have been in taking the "special" girls at Mandarin Bar (upstairs) in Nana Plaza for the increased barfine of 1,500 baht vs the usual 700 baht. I was fairly explicit about why I found the extra 800 baht cost to the bar to be worth it, but didn't go into graphic detail, name or list the badge numbers of the specific girls I took. But I did impart the info that I suspected the "special" girls in that bar, with the "special" barfine, were up for more of a REAL GFE than most other go-go bar girls I have encountered recently. But that still requires that you ask and make such a request conditional to you barfining them at all. There is no such thing as "this particular girl will" or anything of the kind.
You see, so much of the time these girls will deliver the kind of top performance service that I would require in order to even give a glowing positive review of them on the premise, don't laugh, that as they put it they will do those things FOR ME, but won't do them for just any customer. True or not, I must still respect that. Ok, so you see the dilemma here. Let's assume it really was only for me and maybe 5 other guys over the past couple of months. So the word gets out that Nam, #1234 at Slurpies Go-Go Bar, will fuck sans condom and the next thing you know a dozen guys are hitting up Nam, #1234 at Slurpies Go-Go Bar for bareback FS because, you know, they read about it on the 'net. Uh-huh. You see where this goes, right? Nam starts reviewing the 6 guys on her Line contact list who she has fucked bareback in the past few weeks and now I'm on her shit list. Along with 5 other guys. LOL.
So, it just doesn't work that way when we're dealing with what I have stated pretty clearly is what I consider worthy of a glowing review of a specific girl rather than a certain category of girls in a particular bar or venue, as in what I reported regarding Mandarin Bar (upstairs) in Nana Plaza.
ET. No disrespect intended but you're not just being a little selfish but also naive for not 'sharing'. That's my one and only comment. :D.Ok, Traveler1234, just for you I will reveal the location, names and badge numbers of a few girls working Bangkok this very minute who are young, slender, cute as buttons, have delightfully sweet dispositions, are always eager to please, keep themselves shaved and groomed to perfection, have from our first meeting given me BBFS without hesitation, about 1/3 of the time will initiate BBBJ that always culminates in CIM + Swallowing every drop and with a smile.
And those little honeys are. Nope, can't do it. Just wouldn't be prudent. ;)
And the question still remains why in the world would I want her to be so busy with strangers I have touted her to all over the internet that unless I show up at precisely the right time early in the evening or happen to catch her between customers on a fluke, I won't even get to see her that often anymore?
Your post here goes to the very nature of this forum and the reason for its existence. In my view, the purpose of the forum is to exchange information and perhaps give each other news of top producers. Your comments seem to negate the purpose of the forum.
ET. No disrespect intended but you're not just being a little selfish but also naive for not 'sharing'. That's my one and only comment. :D.My own attitude is that it's all good, and there is no reason to get all worked up about EihTooms position.
I don't think that the reason for the existence of this forum is to provide other mongers with details of exactly how to find a very specific girl who provides very specific services. Quite honestly, I don't care about how you managed to get a three-hole romp for 1000 be with Lek from Baccara at 10 pm on a Wednesday night. That is not going to happen to me, even with the very same girl. Canyon, you were very cautious in your wording, and so I think you agree with this.
I'm not Jackson, so I can't tell you what the purpose of this forum is, but to me, the purpose is to help me navigate the complex world of mongering. That's a very broad definition. Here are some things that I personally appreciate reading about on this forum:
1. Details of a successful encounter. Yes, they're helpful, though not the only helpful thing.
2. Details of a failed encounter very helpful, actually. Especially if there is an accompanying analysis for why things went south.
3. Details on how to get to a remote establishment. This is often the single most helpful thing for newbies. Whenever I go to a new location, I find it very stressful finding the locations.
4. Details of what the local customs are for procuring services. Is there a line-up? How do you pick? What categories of girls are there (like in a soapie), etc.
5. What the general expectations for payment are. This is obvious and very important.
6. What the local taboos are what you cannot get, what you should not ask for, etc.
And there are many other things too. A quick perusal of EihTooms' posting history reveals that he hits many of these categories, so it's not as if he is a freeloader. I'm cool with whatever others are comfortable sharing.
You see, so much of the time these girls will deliver the kind of top performance service that I would require in order to even give a glowing positive review of them on the premise, don't laugh, that as they put it they will do those things FOR ME, but won't do them for just any customer.I agree with this. Too many punter expect to EXATLY REPLICATE the experiences of others. Not possible as the ladies are not sex robots. That is why I prefer to point them in the right direction providing enough general generic information for someone with any sort of game to blaze their own happy trail.
SL.
I agree with this. Too many punter expect to EXACTLY REPLICATE the experiences of others. ....Spot on, Sunlover. Worse, some guys are a little too precariously balanced on the edge of, uh, reality. Some get upset with the lady who does not exactly repeat a performance that somebody wrote up.
We had a contributor, Paul somebody (Krasch?) who noted this point. Not everyone who reads our words is playing with a full deck and too much detail is not a great idea. I give / take most of what I laughing think of as "advice" via PM. There are options for sharing info.
And please let's not get into (another) tiresome discussion of the "purpose" of the forum. It is what it is!
Kumbu and Sunlover2, your two most recent posts below hit the nail on the head very well, I believe. Especially the parts about nobody being able to exactly replicate the conditions that got you that very special service from a girl. It certainly isn't ever, ever, ever going to be that this particular girl does this that and the other things (talking about something "special", not the bland conventional), just go get her. Not for the special top level service anyway. For the standard lick around the edges, slip on a condom, she pops open her legs and waits kind of service, pointing punters in the direction to get that kind of service is easy; it is virtually everywhere in Bangkok. No forum is necessary for that. And there are plenty of guys for whom that is just fine and dandy.
But when it comes to getting something much better than that, to expect me or anyone else to just point to certain girls in certain venues and say, yeah, that girl WILL do this, that and the other thing for you with a great attitude is utterly unrealistic. Two of the worst P4 P experiences I have ever had anywhere were with highly touted girls in Cherry and Bamboo massage! Which also goes to underscore that the notion of simply pointing to a girl who supposedly WILL do what I am talking about as "special" service is contrary to my whole point about HOW one improves upon the likelihood of getting it with almost any and all girls. I firmly believe that it is my presentation and approach to asking for "special" service that creates the chemistry and the girl's willingness to do it rather than that I just stumbled onto a small pot of gold today. At least, I can't think of many times if ever where I got anything close to the service I have alluded to and require to be considered tops without applying some elements of my preferred methods to achieving it instead of just stumbling into it by accident. And I can most definitely assure you it never happened because someone else on an internet forum pointed to a girl and said, yeah, she will do this and that for you because she did all of that for me.
I am not so sure Goatscrot every working girl has to provide a complete range of services. What is important though is that what is and is not provided is clearly known in advance. It's then up to the customer to decide where to spend his money. It's possible some who provide a limited range of services will still be successful due to their looks and a sort of nice girl persona but a girl who for example refuses her tits being touched, has an issue with DATY or refuses even light kissing will soon find her looks and personality are not enough to get by on. Again I go back to the issue of management of venues being most important in whether customers are happy or not. The house menu should have each provider's range of services clearly stated whether there are extra charges for some services and which services are not available from that particular girl. He should be asked on his way out whether he was satisfied with the girl and he should not be shy about voicing his dissatisfaction if he wasn't. Sadly this interest in customer satisfaction is more the exception than the norm and the excuses some members keep regurgitating for owners of venues with below standard services is difficult to understand.Some of the more Asian oriented oilies still provide a list of services each girl provides. They are usually indicated by a certain shape; yes, no, or maybe. Seems that the number of shops that provide this has declined in the last few years, Addict used to have this but does not anymore, and my guess is that gals who did not provide certain services were not selected so much and did not want it to be known what they would and would not do. Why not? Simple, most dudes will really not complain that much if something is not done. They will just leave unhappy, not tell the mamasan, and not return. And frankly the majority of gals and shop owners really don't care.
Kumbu and Sunlover2, your two most recent posts below hit the nail on the head very well, I believe. Especially the parts about nobody being able to exactly replicate the conditions that got you that very special service from a girl. It certainly isn't ever, ever, ever going to be that this particular girl does this that and the other things (talking about something "special", not the bland conventional), just go get her. Not for the special top level service anyway. For the standard lick around the edges, slip on a condom, she pops open her legs and waits kind of service, pointing punters in the direction to get that kind of service is easy; it is virtually everywhere in Bangkok. No forum is necessary for that. And there are plenty of guys for whom that is just fine and dandy.
But when it comes to getting something much better than that, to expect me or anyone else to just point to certain girls in certain venues and say, yeah, that girl WILL do this, that and the other thing for you with a great attitude is utterly unrealistic. Two of the worst P4 P experiences I have ever had anywhere were with highly touted girls in Cherry and Bamboo massage! Which also goes to underscore that the notion of simply pointing to a girl who supposedly WILL do what I am talking about as "special" service is contrary to my whole point about HOW one improves upon the likelihood of getting it with almost any and all girls. I firmly believe that it is my presentation and approach to asking for "special" service that creates the chemistry and the girl's willingness to do it rather than that I just stumbled onto a small pot of gold today. At least, I can't think of many times if ever where I got anything close to the service I have alluded to and require to be considered tops without applying some elements of my preferred methods to achieving it instead of just stumbling into it by accident. And I can most definitely assure you it never happened because someone else on an internet forum pointed to a girl and said, yeah, she will do this and that for you because she did all of that for me.YMMV certainly comes into play, but I must point out here that the early days of Tulip, Snow, and Mango were exceptions. I never really had a bad session. Most were excellent, some just a little off, but nothing that I would complain about. Tulip's performance standards have kept up but the looks have really declined. About the only other venue that has seen such a steep decline is BG Soi 7.
I left Thailand last year but have thought for ages now the good old days are long gone.
But I still like to read reports by people like Goatscrot, Syzgies etc which I feel contain a lot of useful information, but its like someone said why are people only posting negative stuff and then people answer they want to keep great girls secret, but then that defeats the point of the forum and I remember back years ago people did post loads of reports of great performers and it didn't matter because there were always loads of new ones to be found. I'm going to give reasons though why Bangkok now is not really a great place any more for mongering, first a little of this is because people get older and then their perception changes. 10 years ago I was so horny I would bang almost anything and enjoy it as long as they gave a great service with willingness also a lot of the ladies in the PSE shops are now not young for instance Yok her service was great but I didn't get very horny because of her now fatter loose body and lets face it if her sponsor hadn't traded her in she wouldn't be working, it seems there is not so much fresh and great talent which people on here keep discussing but there are reasons for this and its likely to become only more common. One big reason some one listed was all the rich Koreans etc coming spending a lot for bad service, but that's the tip of the iceberg Bangkok is now expensive the price of a lot of stuff is more than I pay in Europe and the girls who came to the PSE shops like snow white used to be indebted to people like Nong and other owners who would lend them large sums of money which would then be payed back with them working in the PSE shops almost like a sexual slavery which guaranteed the girls did their best without much complaint. Then finally a lot is said now about training being poorer, the funny thing is ladies like Dao who were such good trainers are not even into westerners and have the usual men the husband and you suspect as these ladies get older they aren't going to want to pass on their skills to new ladies who are only going to be completion to them. Why they did in the past I'm not sure of, maybe someone with more knowledge than me can chime in on this subject? People here have to remember the PSE shops are going to be more lax with training now because the owners of these shops have long since made their millions and them and their family's have started diversifying into other business and used their wealth to buy into other positions of higher privileged.Great insight. I do think as the owners build up more wealth their interest has waned. I do think there are other things coming into play here as well. I still place the blame squarely at the feet of the punter. If most guys demanded good service then it would be delivered. The other is the proliferation of shops which makes it tough for shops that demand PSE service to hang onto good looking gals as they can go elsewhere and do less.
Well, here is one difference; I don't leave Bangkok. I live here. So when I find top performers to my taste my citing them specifically by location, hours of operation, name, badge number and so on, it will always be the case that I risk reducing my "plenty of time with them. " Bear in mind, my specific requirements to qualify for a "top performer" worthy of a glowing review as far as I am concerned includes a couple of details that most Thai P4 P girls would not consider standard "good" service but rather fairly special service reserved for someone with whom they have a certain chemistry, or so I am told by them and gather from the reports I read on these sites; bareback FS and BBBJ CIM + Swallow. Although it is entirely possible that some of the girls who deliver service like that to me do so for every guy who smiles at them and flashes 1000-2000 baht, I would not want to post online the exact identification of those girls who will do that for me. Your mileage will likely vary tremendously from mine, so that is why being so specific would be utterly useless, IMO.
But I tell you what I have done on this and other similar forums in terms of "sharing" and not being "selfish" and so on, putting myself on the chopping block for considerable flaming and ridicule along the way, but I do it anyway; that is to explain how anyone COULD improve his chances of getting bareback FS and / or BBBJ CIM + Swallow with a whole lot more Thai P4 P girls than one would suspect is up for it based on what is said in these forums. Isn't that enough? LOL. I mean, armed with that kind of "shared" information, you and anyone else can greatly improve your chances of getting what I would consider top performance from any P4 P girls you meet out there, no need to focus on my stable of sweeties. It generally comes down to abandoning so much initial focus on negotiating on price to save 500 baht or so and instead negotiating on actual acts for which your payment to the girl is fully conditional. And one of your conditions, if you really want to get what I consider top performance, would be FS no condom. Or BBBJ CIM + Swallow. It doesn't mean it will work every time with every customer and every girl. But you have to at least start asking.
You will find the overview on what I am talking about in my Posts #33419 and #33429 in the "Bangkok Reports" thread. Who else has posted a literal script for making WHATEVER it is that qualifies as top performance a greater possibility with more P4P girls other than me? LOL. I see it as the proverbial difference between handing someone a fish and teaching them to fish. Hand you my fish? No chance. Go out and catch your own fish, here's how. That sort of thing.Guess I am a bit on the fence on this issue. I certainly see both sides of the issue. When it comes to GoGo gals and FLs I tend to side with ET, but with oily gals I think sharing the wealth is the way to go. Personally I have seen gal's be a bit hard to book when mentioned on this forum. But that is temporary.
Kumbu and Sunlover2, your two most recent posts below hit the nail on the head very well, I believe. Especially the parts about nobody being able to exactly replicate the conditions that got you that very special service from a girl. It certainly isn't ever, ever, ever going to be that this particular girl does this that and the other things <SNIP> . . . .One of the most significant things that has changed from the elusive "good old days" is that women are now feeling more EMPOWERED to make a choice about what they will and will not do.
I know this word "empowered" can enrage many guys who have extensive mongering CVs and can remember (and still expect) to find submissive women who will do whatever they wish and expect.
The reality of the modern world is that women today know that they have a choice. Whether they choose to provide what you hope for depends a lot on you, and, as ET notes, you cannot expect the girl to be a robot able to be programmed to your wishes.
The problems most often occur when so-called "promises" are made in the preliminaries but the promises are either broken, forgotten or changed during the main event. This will naturally cause a lot of angst for the customer as he feels he has been mislead, and rightly so too.
As with any transaction, you just have to do your due diligence in advance (during the "preliminaries" as I said earlier) but above all treat the woman as a real person who has her own level of dignity as well.
Read the Swedish novel "Box 21", by Anders Roslund and Borge Hellestrom (Yes. Dual Swedish authors who write in a similar vein to Stieg Larsson) if you want to learn about guys who expect women to be available to satisfy all of their wishes.
Jimmy Boy 99
04-27-16, 04:33
Guess I am a bit on the fence on this issue. I certainly see both sides of the issue. When it comes to GoGo gals and FLs I tend to side with ET, but with oily gals I think sharing the wealth is the way to go. Personally I have seen gal's be a bit hard to book when mentioned on this forum. But that is temporary.If someone posts about a great girl he found but won't name her and where he found her and why she was great, who gives a fuck that he found her, as it is useless information since the rest of us won't be able to experience her for ourselves. It 's just boasting that he knows something that others don't know, so it would be better for him to not post it all.
One of the most significant things that has changed from the elusive "good old days" is that women are now feeling more EMPOWERED to make a choice about what they will and will not do.
I know this word "empowered" can enrage many guys who have extensive mongering CVs and can remember (and still expect) to find submissive women who will do whatever they wish and expect.
The reality of the modern world is that women today know that they have a choice.Personally I think that along with the current millennial idea of empowerment comes a very anti-male twist. Namely the vilification of male sexuality. We see this enacted in law with the so called "Nordic Model" of anti-sex trade laws that criminalizes the customer and not the provider. I think this attitude has infiltrated the majority of the world at this point; Thailand not being an exception. I don't think many men on this board are looking for submissive women; quite the contrary, they are looking for women who enjoy the act or can at least act like it. Becoming a prostitute is s choice, and just like any other job there are certain performance standards that go along with the job. In the case of the BKK sex scene some of these performance indicators have been for the most part venue specific. The problem comes in when venue, or in the case of GoGo and FLs individuals, don't deliver on what is expected. I have always viewed P4 P as any other business transaction; I receive an agreed upon service and in return I pay.
. . <SNIP> . . I don't think many men on this board are looking for submissive women; quite the contrary, they are looking for women who enjoy the act or can at least act like it.
Becoming a prostitute is s choice, and just like any other job there are certain performance standards that go along with the job.
In the case of the BKK sex scene some of these performance indicators have been for the most part venue specific.
The problem comes in when venue, or in the case of GoGo and FLs individuals, don't deliver on what is expected.
I have always viewed P4 P as any other business transaction; I receive an agreed upon service and in return I pay.I agree with the substantive points you make Goat except that from my perception, there ARE a substantial number of guys on this board who are looking for women who will do whatever they want, for a price, regardless of who they are, how they dress, how often they bathe or what they look like.
Like you, I don't have any idea of the number but from my regular reading of all of ISG (not just Thailand) over several years I deduce that the number of guys who view women as objects to be used and discarded is "substantial".
My opinion is based on the comments that I read embedded in many posts, and especially from the Philippines scene as that's where I live.
Some of these comments make me squirm with embarrassment to think such views are still prevalent in modern society.
If someone posts about a great girl he found but won't name her and where he found her and why she was great, who gives a fuck that he found her, as it is useless information since the rest of us won't be able to experience her for ourselves. It 's just boasting that he knows something that others don't know, so it would be better for him to not post it all.Have you seen many posters doing that here? Maybe I have not noticed it but I don't think that happens very often. My "joke" response to Traveler1234 was a parody of such a post, but I don't know that I have actually seen many real ones like it.
In my case, I have made general comments about what it took to get the kind of "special" service I got from a few different girls in Mandarin Go-Go Bar (upstairs) in Nana Plaza and on other recent occasions mentioned what it took to get much better than expected service from freelancers in Thermae Coffee Shop, even for a white-cake 60+ year old dude without a trace of noticeable Japanese / Asian DNA in him. IMO, sharing what it takes to get "special" service from the vast majority of P4 P girls in Bangkok goes a lot further to improve the industry standards and spread the wealth of "special" pleasures than merely citing individual girls who due to circumstances unlikely to be replicated by anyone reading this have delivered "special" services to me. It is about US being vocal and specific about it with the girls, with the mamasans, with managment. It isn't about a handful of supposedly star performers getting way more than their share of customer action.
Trust me, those girls aren't even going to tell the other girls what it takes for them to be so popular. They are not going to convince other girls they've got to start fucking sans condom with a few more select customers or that they need to hone their BBBJ CIM skills (outside of a BJ Bar, that is). YOU have got to tell each girl what it takes for HER to be popular with you at this very moment of decision. Forget waiting for someone else to make that magic happen for you (speaking in general here) by their being specific and vocal about it when it was their turn. It won't ever carry over to the next guy. These days the next guy has to start fresh as though the only customers this girl has ever known were easy to please, low demand, roll over types who "go with the flow" and who would be deliriously happy just be alone in a room with a young naked girl, that she hasn't got a clue that any one of them would require, demand or even recognize "special" service it if jumped up and bit them on the ass unless you start asking for it and making your giving her any money at all conditional on her delivering it.
Because that is unfortunately all too likely to be exactly what most of the customers she has been with have been like.
Some of the more Asian oriented oilies still provide a list of services each girl provides. They are usually indicated by a certain shape; yes, no, or maybe. Seems that the number of shops that provide this has declined in the last few years, Addict used to have this but does not anymore, and my guess is that gals who did not provide certain services were not selected so much and did not want it to be known what they would and would not do.I would say that along with this (staffing / training / retention) the current political climate also plays a factor. It makes sense to be more discrete these days, and a lot of FS shops with a web presence have toned it down. And less stated standards upfront gives the ladies more latitude to minimize / skip over the activities they choose to.
SL.
Trust me, those girls aren't even going to tell the other girls what it takes for them to be so popular. They are not going to convince other girls they've got to start fucking sans condom with a few more select customers or that they need to hone their BBBJ CIM skills (outside of a BJ Bar, that is). Actually I have talked to several of the "star"performers at some of the oilies and many of them do tell their co-workers why they are so popular and get more sessions that most of the gals in said shop. They say the other girls never listen to them, but instead get angry at them and sometime shun them because they are giving better service, thus raising the bar. A very Thai response.
I agree with the substantive points you make Goat except that from my perception, there ARE a substantial number of guys on this board who are looking for women who will do whatever they want, for a price, regardless of who they are, how they dress, how often they bathe or what they look like.
Like you, I don't have any idea of the number but from my regular reading of all of ISG (not just Thailand) over several years I deduce that the number of guys who view women as objects to be used and discarded is "substantial".
My opinion is based on the comments that I read embedded in many posts, and especially from the Philippines scene as that's where I live.
Some of these comments make me squirm with embarrassment to think such views are still prevalent in modern society.I too have run into those types and I share your distaste for them. What's funny is the guys who claim to "love women" seem to be the most heinous. I do think that type is more prevalent in places like Pattaya and Angeles as opposed to BKK.
Franciscass
04-27-16, 10:53
I would say that along with this (staffing / training / retention) the current political climate also plays a factor. It makes sense to be more discrete these days, and a lot of FS shops with a web presence have toned it down. And less stated standards upfront gives the ladies more latitude to minimize / skip over the activities they choose to.
SL.Even if the online content needs to be toned down it doesn't mean information on what level of service each girl is willing to provide should not be available in house. One can ask of course but because lots of punters will be reticent to do so it's best to have this presented with the bio. Of each attendant. This should most likely raise the all round service levels as girls will then have to compete with each other rather than simply smile at the customer. It doesn't mean every girl has to provide a PSE experience as not all of us want this, I for one don't but it does mean you know what you are getting and what is not going to happen and again as important is the check by the shift manager on the way out if everything went as expected.
But when it comes to getting something much better than that, to expect me or anyone else to just point to certain girls in certain venues and say, yeah, that girl WILL do this, that and the other thing for you with a great attitude is utterly unrealistic. Two of the worst P4 P experiences I have ever had anywhere were with highly touted girls in Cherry and Bamboo massage! Which also goes to underscore that the notion of simply pointing to a girl who supposedly WILL do what I am talking about as "special" service is contrary to my whole point about HOW one improves upon the likelihood of getting it with almost any and all girls. I firmly believe that it is my presentation and approach to asking for "special" service that creates the chemistry and the girl's willingness to do it rather than that I just stumbled onto a small pot of gold today.I agree it is incumbent on the customer to create a decent vibe with a lady to achieve the kind of results he wants.
I like to use DFK as an example. A punter will report that a lady will DFK. Well did the two of them DFK for 15 seconds or 15 minutes? It might have been only 15 seconds as she did it to check a box or that is all he wanted. Others will interpret the lack of specificity as license to stick their tongues down her throat the entire session. Substitute rimming for DFK in the above example and you will get the picture.
It is a hit and miss hobby. Sometimes people click together entirely during their interaction and sometimes less so. It is human nature. But IMO the success rate for fulfilling / decent sessions should be at least 90% otherwise people should examine their expectations and approach.
SL.
Jimmy Boy 99
04-27-16, 16:23
Have you seen many posters doing that here? Maybe I have not noticed it but I don't think that happens very often. Snip
I have neither the time nor inclination to go through your posts to see what you have posted about girls you have been with but your previous post states specifically that you will not give information about your "gold" girls, so I stand by my point: if you don't want anyone to be able to find the girl you are posting about, don't post about her.
One of the reasons many guys don't want to share glowing reviews of the prettiest, hottest girls they score in Bangkok or almost anywhere for that matter is we don't want to share them even with our closest friends, why would we want to share them with an unlimited number of strangers on the internet? If a girl meets a certain basic minimum requirement of the job without any tricks, I might share a bar number or a name. And I will recommemd or praise certain venues or category of girls I have had a good experience with.
But when I discover a gem who exceeds all of my expectations and I know very well I will be interested in being with her many times in the future, and I have several of those in my stable, there ain't no way I'm giving guys all over the interenet the directions to the buried treasure I put the time, money and effort into discovering.
You think striking real "gold" in the Bangkok P4 P scene is so easy and commonplace that you can just toss off the stellar performers and sweethearts to any and all comers because another boat load is showing up tomorrow? I don't.
Honestly, I don't know why anyone would share so much detailed identification and contact information with the best girls they have found, unless none of the girls they cite with names, numbers, location, hours of operation and so on really rocked their world all that much in any particularly memorable way in the first place.
I have neither the time nor inclination to go through your posts to see what you have posted about girls you have been with but your previous post states specifically that you will not give information about your "gold" girls, so I stand by my point: if you don't want anyone to be able to find the girl you are posting about, don't post about her.Jimmy, what you do is up to you. What I do is up to me. I never share details of a particular girl, not even in PM. That is my decision. You must not at all decide how I write my reports or how others write their reports.
Several weeks ago went through BKK for a transit. Had a mediocre session at Colonze all covered, no kissing and afterwards kept asking me for a tip. Again I was a little frustrated at all these soapies. But I am kind of used to disappointments in BKK by now.
I walked to the nearby Nataree just to check for fun. My regular papasan again tried hard sale of a few 5 ks. I think now they have moved all these better ones in 4 or 5 k categories. I did not see any regular sideline that looks worth doing. I gave the papasan a pack of Myanmar cigarettes that I brought back from Mandalay.
He said he would show me some new high class girls. He said they have 8 k and 16 k class now, I was surprised, seems like they keep raising the bar. He took me to the back side and showed me a few super ladies 4 in 8 k and 2 in 16 k and said they mostly by appointment, today they free and tried to push me into it. These ladies are not native Thai, all very fair skin and tall, I think from neighboring countries or could be mainland Chinese.
I tried to hold my senses not to be persuaded, he kept saying they only for VIP customers, and most time appointment only, tomorrow they busy, bla bla bla ect ect. They were two 8 k ones that I almost fall into this sexy trap again. I was trying to find excuse to walk away, 2 Japanese businessmen came to my rescue, they seem to be VIP regular client, took away 2 of them, include a 16 k.
The business must be so good, they are forever pushing their bars higher and higher. I think very soon 5 k will be the ordinary sideline.
Several weeks ago went through BKK for a transit. Had a mediocre session at Colonze all covered, no kissing and afterwards kept asking me for a tip. Again I was a little frustrated at all these soapies. But I am kind of used to disappointments in BKK by now.
I walked to the nearby Nataree just to check for fun. My regular papasan again tried hard sale of a few 5 ks. I think now they have moved all these better ones in 4 or 5 k categories. I did not see any regular sideline that looks worth doing. I gave the papasan a pack of Myanmar cigarettes that I brought back from Mandalay.
He said he would show me some new high class girls. He said they have 8 k and 16 k class now, I was surprised, seems like they keep raising the bar. He took me to the back side and showed me a few super ladies 4 in 8 k and 2 in 16 k and said they mostly by appointment, today they free and tried to push me into it. These ladies are not native Thai, all very fair skin and tall, I think from neighboring countries or could be mainland Chinese..Dude,
You should try The Den in Soi 12 behind insanity for daytime fun, super plush place BF 1000 and ladies 2500-4000 depends on how hot the girl is and for early evening I would still suggest Oskar on Soi 11 or Spasso in Erawan or maybe thermae: MP or soapies are not my taste and then you always have PB hotel nice decent for 300 bht for 2 hrs.
Rest you guys know better I just find the scene at soapies or even Nataree fun, its just we guys raised this place to be notch but its a dump, I don't think we should spend more than 3 k on Thai pussy including hotel tips and all other small tidbits rest to everyman on his own.
Cheers.
Even if the online content needs to be toned down it doesn't mean information on what level of service each girl is willing to provide should not be available in house. One can ask of course but because lots of punters will be reticent to do so it's best to have this presented with the bio. Of each attendant. This should most likely raise the all round service levels as girls will then have to compete with each other rather than simply smile at the customer. It doesn't mean every girl has to provide a PSE experience as not all of us want this, I for one don't but it does mean you know what you are getting and what is not going to happen and again as important is the check by the shift manager on the way out if everything went as expected.Show details.
Reticence to ask about a girls do's and don'ts was all too true on my first visit but I soon realized this was not only juvenile but counterproductive. Whether it's a FL at Bangkok Beat or an onsite shag confirming what your lady will do and will not do makes a lot of sense. Her knowing what you expect and her willingness to provide same greatly reduces any trepidation she may have. This puts her at ease and greatly improves the odds of both of you having a good time. It may sound a bit too clinical but when done with a smile and a sense of humor it can be a lot of fun. Consider it part of the foreplay. Incidentally I agree with members who suggest it's not the girls so much as the owners that leads to "couldn't give a shit" bad service.
Ralph Kramden
04-28-16, 14:15
Several weeks ago went through BKK for a transit. Had a mediocre session at Colonze all covered, no kissing and afterwards kept asking me for a tip. Again I was a little frustrated at all these soapies. But I am kind of used to disappointments in BKK by now.
I walked to the nearby Nataree just to check for fun. My regular papasan again tried hard sale of a few 5 ks. I think now they have moved all these better ones in 4 or 5 k categories. I did not see any regular sideline that looks worth doing. I gave the papasan a pack of Myanmar cigarettes that I brought back from Mandalay.
He said he would show me some new high class girls. He said they have 8 k and 16 k class now, I was surprised, seems like they keep raising the bar. He took me to the back side and showed me a few super ladies 4 in 8 k and 2 in 16 k and said they mostly by appointment, today they free and tried to push me into it. These ladies are not native Thai, all very fair skin and tall, I think from neighboring countries or could be mainland Chinese.
I tried to hold my senses not to be persuaded, he kept saying they only for VIP customers, and most time appointment only, tomorrow they busy, bla bla bla ect ect. They were two 8 k ones that I almost fall into this sexy trap again. I was trying to find excuse to walk away, 2 Japanese businessmen came to my rescue, they seem to be VIP regular client, took away 2 of them, include a 16 k.
The business must be so good, they are forever pushing their bars higher and higher. I think very soon 5 k will be the ordinary sideline.Interesting marketing strategy. Perhaps they are not getting enough buyers for the regular 2600 sideliners and 2000 soapy girls so are trying the VIP class. Personally I think it won't work because the place down the road has a whole group of so-called VIP superstars for 7 K or so.
Wolvenvacht
04-28-16, 15:19
Interesting marketing strategy. Perhaps they are not getting enough buyers for the regular 2600 sideliners and 2000 soapy girls so are trying the VIP class. Personally I think it won't work because the place down the road has a whole group of so-called VIP superstars for 7 K or so.Marketing to the Asian foibles. What Asian would want to be seen to buy the "cheap" option? It is all about face.
Same as the sizes for condoms: you only find "regular", "large" and "extra large". Never "small", "medium" and "large". I guess few if any of us would ask that hot sales lady for a package of "small" size condoms.
Dude,
You should try The Den in Soi 12 behind insanity for daytime fun, super plush place BF 1000 and ladies 2500-4000 depends on how hot the girl is and for early evening I would still suggest Oskar on Soi 11 or Spasso in Erawan or maybe thermae: MP or soapies are not my taste and then you always have PB hotel nice decent for 300 bht for 2 hrs.
Rest you guys know better I just find the scene at soapies or even Nataree fun, its just we guys raised this place to be notch but its a dump, I don't think we should spend more than 3 k on Thai pussy including hotel tips and all other small tidbits rest to everyman on his own.
Cheers.The Den is a knock off of Kinnaree in Pattaya. Difference is Kinnaree is less than half the price, BF 350 (includes the room) and all gals are 1 k and there are more and better looking gals at Kin. I would frequent The Den if it were priced like Kinnaree. Personally, I don't think we should ever spend more than 1500 Baht on gals here, not including BF, room, or oily fee, unless of course she is drop dead gorgeous, no baby, and performs like a porn star in heat. Then I could see up to 3k. But as you say, to each his own.
I went to the Den a few times in the winter of 2015. I had a good time with the two different girls I selected on two separate occasions. Last year, there were quite a few hotties in attendance too. It should be noted that it cost 500 baht for a very nice room that is adjacent to the premises. You don't have to go outside either as it has access from inside the Den so quite discrete. The fee to the girl (s) was negotiated direct with her and I recall paying 2000 for a one hour session on both occasions. Of course, factor in a few lady drinks and one or two for yourself and it will cost you the standard 3 k baht. The best part is that it is a classy looking place with reasonably attractive girls.
So, if your figures are accurate, it appears the price has gone up. There was no BF per se in 2015 as they disguise it as a charge for the room unless you are talking about take out. This year I went in once or twice but it seemed the quality and amount of girls were down. I never went with anyone as a consequence but it was a low hustle in there so it's possible to have a drink and politely reject company if nothing appeals to you. Remember, the girls set their own prices so it is quite negotiable. Since their evening for most of them is just starting, you are more than likely their first customer.
Also, unless it changed from the prior year, daytime fun started around 5 pm so it's not like you can come over there midday and expect to find someone. One time this year, I saw a few cute girls passing out fliers for the Den on the corner of Suk and Soi 12 around 5 pm and I made a note to get their number direct next time but never saw girls there again though I pass by frequently.
I have never visited Kinnarre but will have to try on my next visit. Sounds like an appealing place to wile away an afternoon.
The Den is a knock off of Kinnaree in Pattaya. Difference is Kinnaree is less than half the price, BF 350 (includes the room) and all gals are 1 k and there are more and better looking gals at Kin. I would frequent The Den if it were priced like Kinnaree. Personally, I don't think we should ever spend more than 1500 Baht on gals here, not including BF, room, or oily fee, unless of course she is drop dead gorgeous, no baby, and performs like a porn star in heat. Then I could see up to 3k. But as you say, to each his own.
Actually I have talked to several of the "star"performers at some of the oilies and many of them do tell their co-workers why they are so popular and get more sessions that most of the gals in said shop. They say the other girls never listen to them, but instead get angry at them and sometime shun them because they are giving better service, thus raising the bar. A very Thai response.Yes, very typical Thai response. But are you saying those popular girls are telling the other girls to start delivering BBFS more often if they want good repeat customers? And that they need to start learning to take the whole load in their mouths at the end of a blowjob instead of dodging it and converting the BJ into a handjob?
That would be news to me if that is what the more popular girls are admitting they do and telling the others to do.
Here is an idea for those who want posters to identify the P4 P girls who offered or agreed to give them BBFS / fucking to completion without condom; start a thread entitled "Names, Badge Numbers, and Location of BBFS Providers".
I don't know how many contributers it would get, how effectively it would promote continued behavior of that kind from the girls named and identified or encourage more girls on the scene to add their names and locations to the list, but it seems like that is a thread several here are calling for.
Admin or moderators, why not start that thread today? There is definitely a serious interest in it on this site among some.
Here is an idea for those who want posters to identify the P4 P girls who offered or agreed to give them BBFS / fucking to completion without condom; start a thread entitled "Names, Badge Numbers, and Location of BBFS Providers".
I don't know how many contributers it would get, how effectively it would promote continued behavior of that kind from the girls named and identified or encourage more girls on the scene to add their names and locations to the list, but it seems like that is a thread several here are calling for.
Admin or moderators, why not start that thread today? There is definitely a serious interest in it on this site among some.I am inclined to think you may be projecting. I don't see a whole lot of people here, other than you, who seem to want this. And although I don't object to the German threads about BBFS venues, I can see some bad things happening if a BBFS girls in Bangkok thread were opened. I would guess many of the girls who provide BBFS do so at their discretion and reserve it only for customers they trust or like. If information about which girls do BBFS were posted, I could imagine undue pressure being put on these girls to provide this service in situations where they do not wish to provide it. Not a good idea IMHO.
I am inclined to think you may be projecting. I don't see a whole lot of people here, other than you, who seem to want this. And although I don't object to the German threads about BBFS venues, I can see some bad things happening if a BBFS girls in Bangkok thread were opened. I would guess many of the girls who provide BBFS do so at their discretion and reserve it only for customers they trust or like. If information about which girls do BBFS were posted, I could imagine undue pressure being put on these girls to provide this service in situations where they do not wish to provide it. Not a good idea IMHO.LA Guy 5, I think you missed my point in finally making that suggestion while actually repeating my oft stated point about it here.
You think I want this and am the only one asking for it? LOL. I am sure if you check out just about any of my previous half dozen or more posts on this thread you will see I have been fending off and explaining to as many OTHER posters who most definitely want that kind of info readily shared here (and seem even to be offended that it is not) why I am not in favor of sharing that kind of info.
My opinion of it pretty much matches yours. But read on down over the past few days and you will see several other posters expressing a LOT of interest in us sharing that info, sometimes to the point of either share it or don't post at all.
LA Guy 5, I think you missed my point while actually repeating my oft stated point about it here.
You think I want this and am the only one asking for it? LOL. I am sure if you check out just about any of my previous half dozen or more posts on this thread you will see I have been fending off and explaining to as many OTHER posters who most definitely want that kind of info readily shared here (and seem even to be offended that it is not) why I am not in favor of sharing that kind of info.Fair enough. But I don't then see why you are suggesting a thread dedicated to this subject be started. Wouldn't it be better to leave the status quo alone whereby this type of information is not posted in this thread or in the other Thailand threads?
Fair enough. But I don't then see why you are suggesting a thread dedicated to this subject be started. Wouldn't it be better to leave the status quo alone whereby this type of information is not posted in this thread or in the other Thailand threads?LA Guy 5, don't worry. No such thread will ever be started and if it did somehow get started only fools would post the names, badge numbers and locations of girls they have been with who offered them BBFS. I "suggested" it KNOWING no such thread would be started and developed but merely to underscore the weird, out-of-touch nature of some of the posters who replied to me in the thread (and have asked me in PMs) that it was "selfish", "naive", "contrary to the purpose of these forums", "pointless", etc. NOT to give out that information when we encountered such girls. For the sake of the forum, the expansion of the Thai P4P industry and our fellow punters, dontcha' know. lol.
Seriously, your objection is with them, not me. But I think you are a day or two too late to really see how this progressed. BTW, even in my "suggestion", I clearly referred to other guys wanting us to post that kind of detailed information, not me. I wish we and Thai society were so evolved that we could easily and without sigma post such info. But I know we are not and probably never will be in our lifetimes.
As I alluded to in more than one exchange on the subject, my methods for adding such girls to my stable have absolutely nothing to do with reading online or even hearing from someone I know that such-and-such girl would probably fuck me without a condom because she did so for them. I have never followed such a lead in my life and doubt I ever would. No, my methods for adding girls like that to my stable is to assume ALL girls do fuck some customers without a condom, which I am sure they ALL do, the trick being to improve the chances of that someone being me tonight or this very hour. Has nothing to do with hoping someone else will provide a list of names, locations and so on, the very information that several posters here were pissed off we weren't providing.
Yes, very typical Thai response. But are you saying those popular girls are telling the other girls to start delivering BBFS more often if they want good repeat customers? And that they need to start learning to take the whole load in their mouths at the end of a blowjob instead of dodging it and converting the BJ into a handjob?
That would be news to me if that is what the more popular girls are admitting they do and telling the others to do.ET, I think you might be in the minority wanting BBFS and that is not really what I am referring to (however your BJ comment I would imagine is spot on for everyone), rather the fact that gals who stay busy are the ones that are enthusiastic, enjoy sex or are good actresses, and have a very well developed skill set and know when and how to use it.
ET, I think you might be in the minority wanting BBFS and that is not really what I am referring to (however your BJ comment I would imagine is spot on for everyone), rather the fact that gals who stay busy are the ones that are enthusiastic, enjoy sex or are good actresses, and have a very well developed skill set and know when and how to use it.Really? Hmm. I'm not so sure I am in the minority on that. It would be an interesting A-B comparison to find out which offer most customers would take from similarly attractive girls; the offer of full BBFS, no tricks or the offer of fully covered FS but with an enthusiastic actress who knows a bunch of tricks. Somehow I suspect that first lady is going to be kept busy a bit more and taken faster than Meryl Streep. LOL.
Really? Hmm. I'm not so sure I am in the minority on that. It would be an interesting A-B comparison to find out which offer most customers would take from similarly attractive girls; the offer of full BBFS, no tricks or the offer of fully covered FS but with an enthusiastic actress who knows a bunch of tricks. Somehow I suspect that first lady is going to be kept busy a bit more and taken faster than Meryl Streep. LOL.My guess is the vast majority of men on this board do not engage in BBFS on a regular basis. I think you dudes are in the minority. I would say a survey is in order. Great idea. And my guess would be the second gal would be far more popular.
The Den is a knock off of Kinnaree in Pattaya. Difference is Kinnaree is less than half the price, BF 350 (includes the room) and all gals are 1 k and there are more and better looking gals at Kin. I would frequent The Den if it were priced like Kinnaree. Personally, I don't think we should ever spend more than 1500 Baht on gals here, not including BF, room, or oily fee, unless of course she is drop dead gorgeous, no baby, and performs like a porn star in heat. Then I could see up to 3k. But as you say, to each his own.So what are the other options for daytime places besides the BJ bars and massage places. I have never in my life gone to Pattaya or AC and will never go also mongering is a side thing which I do at night in the clubs and besides I love hunting in the clubs classy or super sexy places with free lancer women some time semi pros my first Thai GF was 19 year uni lady we met in route 66 and were together for 6 months before she went to us to study so that's my passion, I understand I have become old and fat and bald and have gray hair now but still that 19 can now be 26-31 its also OK. The first time I went to BKK was 15 years ago and it was only once I went to a go go in Nana or cowboy are Patpong and only once in a soapy I don't remember which one but never again in my fie I have gone again its not my taste I prefer women to be independently working in a place so she knows what is coming and what is she after.
I have never been to den all I have is second hand info I can be wrong but I just read on the internet in some blog I don't remember whose but I am always at a lookout for a new place in BKK for mongering, Have done the RCA scene, Hollywood when it was at its peak, Nana disco, spicy, bossy, cm 2 , shock, swing, bamboo bar, grace disco, narz, then came Mixx, levels and now ce la vi that's all I know of BKK.
I tried Spasso and Oskar this time and was very happy with Oskar, excellent pickups you can find here and some normal women also can be possible I can be wrong.
Cheers guide us for a good day time or early evening place or bar in BKK goatscrot.
Alex.
I went to the Den a few times in the winter of 2015. I had a good time with the two different girls I selected on two separate occasions. Last year, there were quite a few hotties in attendance too. It should be noted that it cost 500 baht for a very nice room that is adjacent to the premises. You don't have to go outside either as it has access from inside the Den so quite discrete. The fee to the girl (s) was negotiated direct with her and I recall paying 2000 for a one hour session on both occasions. Of course, factor in a few lady drinks and one or two for yourself and it will cost you the standard 3 k baht. The best part is that it is a classy looking place with reasonably attractive girls.
So, if your figures are accurate, it appears the price has gone up. There was no BF per se in 2015 as they disguise it as a charge for the room unless you are talking about take out. This year I went in once or twice but it seemed the quality and amount of girls were down. I never went with anyone as a consequence but it was a low hustle in there so it's possible to have a drink and politely reject company if nothing appeals to you. Remember, the girls set their own prices so it is quite negotiable..I might be wrong Tomasb as I have second hand info from the internet from another blog, so how is the place write a bit more about it.
Do you know of some other early evening mongering avenues as in a bar or places like den I am not a fan of soapies or oilies, I love the nice setting of a bar drinks music and pussy its a deadly combination, I tried Oskar this time and I am all praise for it.
Something like that, is the den more relaxed like Oskar will check it out this time when I land in BKK next week for some work.
Cheers.
Eric Swiss
04-30-16, 04:47
Poor line-up at Akane: about 5 girls, 4 of which completely dumpy, but one very pretty one. I took her, obviously. Turns out her name was Lena.
There was HJ, CBJ or body-to-body massage with no full service. I figured I'd rather get a good HJ than a bad BJ or fake sex. It was 770 Baht for one hour. I ponied up 180 extra for the VIP room.
She led me upstairs, I undressed, and she put me on a horizontal table where she proceeded to wash me. This is the first time I get that, and I must say it's awesome. Not only do I not want to do the work of washing myself, but I do not even want the exertion of standing up while the girl washes me! After a while, she flipped me, washed the other side just as thoroughly, and we made it back to the bedroom.
She gave me a decent massage, and after the flip she took care of my business. She was extremely proficient in the art of rhythm change, which I consider essential to a proper HJ. Silly girls sometimes only have one mode on: superfast, or just keep on accelerating. That gets me nowhere. But slowing down, and the gently reaccelerating again, repeating as many times as necessary, is the proper way to handle my tool. Anyway, she was great at it. She made my cum shoot more powerfully than usual.
I gave her 100 Baht tip afterwards. Total damage: 1050 Baht, for a nice release with a hot girl. I was pretty happy.
Would I recommend? Only if you reserve her in advance. If by any chance she's not in the line-up, the quality just isn't there. Would I repeat? Probably not, unless I've got a sudden urge that needs to be scratched quickly. And I want a horizontal shower.
NopoProwler
04-30-16, 14:46
Hello everyone,
Had a session at Chao Phraya 2 not long ago. Experience was positive. Here the details:
1. 1800 for Thai massage, 2000 for body to body massage, 2100 for the "prettier" girls and 2600 for sideliners (no massage). 1 shot. There's a sign that says they don't surcharge farangs.
2. Rooms aren't bad at all. The tub / B2B area is quite good and there's plenty of mirrors. Bed's are small.
3. I went with one of the B2B, number 50. Her name is Jem. I'd say late 30's, short, white skin, the cups (enhanced), fat around the belly and signs that she had been pregnant before. Very good collaborative attitude, smiling and joking. B2B Massage skills OK, BBBJ, little DATY, GFE but no DFK. She was naturally wet, enjoys having her clit softly rubbed. Sex was standard, she's quite proactive. I joked that the papasan gave me 2 shots and she actually had me come a second time with an HJ after a post-sex massage + cuddling and a lot of foreplay.
4. The condoms they have there are very thick, bring your own. My mistake.
5. Price for water was 20 baht, which I find reasonable unlike those places that charge 120 for whatever drink you have.
On the way out I saw a couple of babes I want to try some other time. Place is near to my condo anyway.
Later,
Nopo
With regard to EihTooms' stated preference for "special" services, I must say that they don't interest me at all. For me, there are substantial risks to BBFS, so I wouldn't enjoy that activity at all. I would be too concerned about pregnancy or disease, so that I couldn't enjoy the session. Also, CIM does not seem attractive to me at all. Hence, I'm not interested in any of ET's "special" services.
For me, I like the GFE. Also, good looks and a nice body are very important. For me, it's not the act so much as the attitude and feeling that accompanies the sex. Everyone is different, but those are my specifications.
For those of you interested in my kind of sex, I can recommend Mei (pronounced Moi) at EZ. She is not on the website, but will be back from vacation on Wednesday. She's very cute and has a warm, cuddly personality. She does give a BBBJ, but that's it for "special" services, so she is not recommended for ET. However, I can recommend her great massage and great sex in many positions. The warm relationship represents much of the appeal.
My other recommendation is June at Bongkot. She used to work at Snow White, before retiring for several years. She's very nice looking and has a good body. I like her attitude. I think she will push the envelope more than Mei, but she is not recommended for ET. Her BBBJ was wonderful and she gave me an excellent massage.
Those are my recommendations for this trip, but I still have three more days in town.
The girls have been telling me that business is very slow around town. For example, I heard that both Bongkot and EZ only had three customers total yesterday! That seems remarkable, and it means it's good for us, because of less competition. I have also heard that some of the shops may have to close, because of lack of business.
Canyon.
My guess is the vast majority of men on this board do not engage in BBFS on a regular basis. I think you dudes are in the minority. I would say a survey is in order. Great idea. And my guess would be the second gal would be far more popular.Ah, but now you are changing it a bit. I was responding to what you said guys "want" (re covered FS vs BBFS). But your point about a majority of guys on this board (and most other customers) not engaging in BBFS on a regular basis is a very different point and I would probably agree with that. I would never suggest that offering BBFS is the norm for Thai P4 P girls or that most customers who come here get it on a regular basis. That is why it is "special".
But on the "want" scale, I'll have to stand by my opinion that, all other things about a couple of P4 P girls being equal, I can't think of a level of enthusiasm or set of acting / sexual skills (short of a fantastic BBBJ+CIM, as you and I might agree) that would trump the feeling of sinking into the real deal as god and nature designed it. I am open to the distinct possibility that you have met many women whose enthusiasm and skills can replace that feeling for you. However, I have been with what surely must be more than a couple of thousand women in my life and not once did I experience one whose skills were so fantastic that I "wanted" to be with her fully covered rather than with her twin sister (or one close enough) who is willing to go BB with me.
And, more to the point on this particular forum, should I suddenly wake up tonight remembering so-and-so back in 2002 in all of those thousands of encounters who DID come close to that kind of sexual skill level, I can pretty much bet the farm against two bucks it won't have been a Thai girl. Maybe a Latina or a Philippina somewhere in that mix. But a Thai girl? No way. They just aren't good enough at sexual skills, or I have simply never encountered one, to ever override with learned or vaguely remembered trickery the physical pleasure of what god and nature provided for them down there without their having to make much of an effort at all.
And there is the other aspect that, in my experience, the most enthusiastic and skilled women who seem to enjoy sex the most have been those who are ultimately fine with if not eager about going BBFS with me. Turns out women much prefer and derive more pleasure from the feeling of bare male skin sliding inside them rather than latex covered skin as much as men prefer the counterpart of it. So it isn't as though you are excluding those preferred traits you mentioned by opting for BBFS. I believe you are actually more likely to inspire them that way.
I suppose it is always worth repeating that I am talking about conditions that include zero or near zero chances of unwanted pregnancy many times safer than wearing a condom (having had a vasectomy) and statistically insignificant chances of transmitting or acquiring HIV/STIs (having a current, within 3 months, blood screening report document and the already extremely low incidence of female-to-male transmission under certain easy to maintain circumstances). Just those two conditions probably exclude 95%+ of the guys reading this forum and the typical Thai P4P customer/tourist.
StrongAtal
05-01-16, 09:10
Visited SW few days back and choose Eique on account of my liking for slim frame for 90 minutes.
But my enthusiasm and erection was shattered one she removed her clothes in the room. She had shaggy tiny tits with stretch marks. Same was the case with her belly.
She sensed that also and said she would give good service.
She provided me good BJ, rimming and body massage and she had one of the tightest anal hole.
I could come only once and left after 60 minutes.
Ah, but now you are changing it a bit. I was responding to what you said guys "want" (re covered FS vs BBFS). But your point about a majority of guys on this board (and most other customers) not engaging in BBFS on a regular basis is a very different point and I would probably agree with that. I would never suggest that offering BBFS is the norm for Thai P4 P girls or that most customers who come here get it on a regular basis. That is why it is "special".
But on the "want" scale, I'll have to stand by my opinion that, all other things about a couple of P4 P girls being equal, I can't think of a level of enthusiasm or set of acting / sexual skills (short of a fantastic BBBJ+CIM, as you and I might agree) that would trump the feeling of sinking into the real deal as god and nature designed it. I am open to the distinct possibility that you have met many women whose enthusiasm and skills can replace that feeling for you. However, I have been with what surely must be more than a couple of thousand women in my life and not once did I experience one whose skills were so fantastic that I "wanted" to be with her fully covered rather than with her twin sister (or one close enough) who is willing to go BB with me.
And, more to the point on this particular forum, should I suddenly wake up tonight remembering so-and-so back in 2002 in all of those thousands of encounters who DID come close to that kind of sexual skill level, I can pretty much bet the farm against two bucks it won't have been a Thai girl. Maybe a Latina or a Philippina somewhere in that mix. But a Thai girl? No way. They just aren't good enough at sexual skills, or I have simply never encountered one, to ever override with learned or vaguely remembered trickery the physical pleasure of what god and nature provided for them down there without their having to make much of an effort at all.
And there is the other aspect that, in my experience, the most enthusiastic and skilled women who seem to enjoy sex the most have been those who are ultimately fine with if not eager about going BBFS with me. Turns out women much prefer and derive more pleasure from the feeling of bare male skin sliding inside them rather than latex covered skin as much as men prefer the counterpart of it. So it isn't as though you are excluding those preferred traits you mentioned by opting for BBFS. I believe you are actually more likely to inspire them that way.
I suppose it is always worth repeating that I am talking about conditions that include zero or near zero chances of unwanted pregnancy many times safer than wearing a condom (having had a vasectomy) and statistically insignificant chances of transmitting or acquiring HIV/STIs (having a current, within 3 months, blood screening report document and the already extremely low incidence of female-to-male transmission under certain easy to maintain circumstances). Just those two conditions probably exclude 95%+ of the guys reading this forum and the typical Thai P4P customer/tourist.Well of course given a 0% chance of contracting an STD and a 0% chance of impregnating a gal 100% of us would engage in BBFS all the time. But, that is not the world we operate in with P4 P gals. When I say "want" I am speaking about what I believe to be the prevailing attitude amongst guys on this board in relation to sex with P4 P gals, so I really don't think I am changing my tune. Unfortunately these gals are petri dishes. I for one have never worried about HIV transmission, however multi-drug resistant clap would be very unpleasant to say the least, and when I was a young lad of 24 I had a chlamydial infection go into my prostate. I won't go into the time and antibiotics that went into treating that one. Also, I don't think it is that "special" with these gals. I believe the majority of them on the second or third encounter will go without a condom, especially when they thing there is something to gain. As far as testing is concerned, they could have picked up the clap three days ago. I often like to test the waters so to speak at oilies, acting as if I am just going to stick it in and then at the last moment reaching for a condom. 90% of the gals said nothing about a condom and would have just let me go right on in. I know we all don't have the same attitude but for me condom use for FS with P4 P gals is a matter of respect for not only myself, but for the gal, and the customer that comes (no pun intended) after me.
I made the rounds of oilies near Soi 24 yesterday, and I must say that I was disappointed. I went into nine shops that had an average of six girls each, so saw a total of 54 girls, and I could not find one that appealed to me. The nine shops were All Stars, Candy, Cherry, Mango, Club 102, Addict, EZ, Snow White and Angel. Much has been made of the decline in quality over the last few years, and I definitely agree. Some of this is due to Thailand's expanding economy, which gives women more economic opportunity outside the sex industry. This is definitely a positive from a social point of view, but it makes it difficult for those of us who like to participate in the sport. I admit that I'm very picky, so others may have found someone who was appealing in one of those nine shops. The good news is that it only takes one to satisfy me, but it takes quite a while to find that one these days. I mentioned on a previous post that I had found Mei at EZ and June at Bongkot, both of whom were excellent choices for me.
After visiting the nine oilies, I went over to Soi 11 and looked at the mall near Villa Market, where some have found some good ones. Unfortunately, none of them appealed to me. I continued down Soi 11 to Oskar's, which some have recommended as a high-quality place. When I was there around 8 pm, it was just a restaurant. The food was good, but there weren't many single women there-mostly couples eating dinner. Maybe I was too early.
My feet were starting to hurt, so I went for a foot massage in a neighboring Soi, and that made me feel much better. Around 10 pm, I went to Spasso in the Erawan Grand Hyatt Hotel. Much to my pleasant surprise, there were a lot of attractive, young women there. It is a very upscale place-much different than the oilies. I ordered a drink and looked around. I was able to negotiate with one young stunner and we agreed on 5,000 Baht for two hours. I know some of you will complain and say I overpaid, but I don't think I did. I received great value. After all, 5,000 Baht is only around $143 US which is not very much. Back at my hotel, I got a great BBBJ, a terrific massage and great sex in many positions. My partner was young, sexy and pretty. I plan to try Spasso again tonight after a walk through Soi Cowboy, and maybe another peek into Oskar.
My conclusion after this visit to Bangkok is that the average looks have gone done, just as the prophets of doom have indicated, but remember it only takes one good find to satisfy. It may take longer to find one, but they are still out there.
I plan to try Spasso again tonight after a walk through Soi Cowboy, and maybe another peek into Oskar.
My conclusion after this visit to Bangkok is that the average looks have gone done, just as the prophets of doom have indicated, but remember it only takes one good find to satisfy. It may take longer to find one, but they are still out there.I will be in Soi 23 tonight, and CH probably from about 8. 30 PM if you want to catch me, buddy. I would not mind checking some Cowboy bars too. Nice lookers outside Long Gun last night. I'll PM you. Oh shit, you maybe gone already.
JamesPhony
05-04-16, 14:46
Hi there,
From snow white Emmy, My, Yo, Sunny.
From candy Hawa, light, mint.
From cherry focus.
Is there anyone who can review about their service or recommend me 3 girls from any massage parlour who are better at kissing.
JamesPhony
05-04-16, 15:24
Help me out guys need good massage and kissing from staff of snow white, candy massage and from cherry massage.
LoveHole69
05-04-16, 19:33
Yes Goatscrot you are right about the customers, but I personally don't like to demand a load of PSE services when they aren't offered freely.
Also I think if customers want a lot of services now they can do so by paying more for it, now I know this puts prices up for others and wreaks things but with Bangkok being expensive nowadays its inevitable.
Its time for mongers who want cheap and good sex to probably forget about Thailand and venture elsewhere.
I think Eih tooms not sharing info wouldn't have bothered anyone years ago its just indicative of the boring mongering scene in Bangkok.
At the end of the day almost any hooker can give you good service and people like Eih tooms who post on here and then won't mention the providers information are often just boasting or exaggerating.
When I was younger I used to bang out 1000 push ups a day plus lots of other exercise to keep a rock hard 8 pack, lets just say good service and free or cheap prices and bareback was common and I got a lot more STD from freelance girls than I did from oily workers.
If you don't have much to offer the provider it needs to be something like a big tip promised beforehand for an agreed good PSE service. 1000 baht a decade ago in Bangkok was a lot more than it is now.
BigTimeFun
05-04-16, 21:35
Disappointed with the ambiance at Tulips. Had a decent session there with an early 30'early woman. Never introduced ourselves so don't know her name.
The rooms were not what I expected. Killed the mood for me. I looked at all the rooms on the way out. All seemed about the same quality. Fair to poor. Can anyone who has been to Tulips tell me names of other parlors with nicer rooms?
Yes Goatscrot you are right about the customers, but I personally don't like to demand a load of PSE services when they aren't offered freely.
Also I think if customers want a lot of services now they can do so by paying more for it, now I know this puts prices up for others and wreaks things but with Bangkok being expensive nowadays its inevitable.
Its time for mongers who want cheap and good sex to probably forget about Thailand and venture elsewhere.
I think Eih tooms not sharing info wouldn't have bothered anyone years ago its just indicative of the boring mongering scene in Bangkok.
At the end of the day almost any hooker can give you good service and people like Eih tooms who post on here and then won't mention the providers information are often just boasting or exaggerating.
When I was younger I used to bang out 1000 push ups a day plus lots of other exercise to keep a rock hard 8 pack, lets just say good service and free or cheap prices and bareback was common and I got a lot more STD from freelance girls than I did from oily workers.
If you don't have much to offer the provider it needs to be something like a big tip promised beforehand for an agreed good PSE service. 1000 baht a decade ago in Bangkok was a lot more than it is now.My point is that at the PSE oilies service should not have to be demanded, it should be guaranteed. One should not even have to ask. You sacrifice a lot in looks at the PSE shops; you should not be sacrificing in performance or price.
Bangkok is far more expensive than it was. The problem is, especially for the locals, is that salaries have in no way kept pace.
But truth be told, the scene in BKK is very uninspiring these days. As I have posted many times before; I never thought that Thai gals were that great or that enthusiastic in bed overall. Yes, there are some, but overall most are pretty meh. The attraction was always volume and a cheap price. When 1k Baht was 25 USD and FLs were 500 - 1k and most GoGo gals were 1k ST, who cares if they don't perform or if it's quick? But when you are paying significantly more for what now is even poorer service, then yes, I have a problem. If you want to be paid like a professional then act like one, hone your craft, and deliver good service. If you are a fresh off the farm gal and all you know how to do is spread your legs, then you are probably not worth more than 1k.
A few posts back there is a dude talking about walking the oily route and finding nothing inspiring, and this is a visitor not a resident. Yes, I feel the same way. A very deflating experience. To find any real combination of looks and performance these days is a real challenge. If I am going to pop twice in the allotted time, then I need both. Honestly, have you seen the size of most oily gals these days? Want to talk about overweight, out of shape, and some with stomachs that look like they have had seven litters of pups. Convenience store junk food is the rule.
Perhaps guys are finding that elusive combination at the late night discos, but I am just not up for pulling a gal at 2am or later. Frankly I am finding myself partaking less and less. What 10 years ago was a three to four night a week hobby has become a twice a month endeavor. And truthfully, if there was quality looks along with PSE performance then I would for sure not mind paying more. But more for less? I just can't do it. If you want the equivalent of 100 USD for a session, then I better leave with my knees shaking like I used to in the early oily days.
Some of my friends are praising the shops in HK over those in BKK these days. Why? Far better looks, gals working there have no kids as the locals would not take them if they did, they are well trained and you know what you will get and again the locals will chew out the mamasan if services are not provided, and with the rise in prices in BKK the cost is basically the same.
Hi there,
From snow white Emmy, My, Yo, Sunny.Interesting choices. Your spec is obviously different to me. Of the web site pics, at SW, I like only Pooky really, but pics can be deceptive. I don't recognize Benz from her pic. I think it's not very close to her real look. Benz is rated as technically good but I did not get great kissing from her, and her BBBJ was not to my spec either.
I reported on Emmy before as did Goatscrot and one other, at least, many months ago. I got a good GFE (good kissing) from Emmy. She was inexperienced at the time. Can't recall if I ever repeated though. Goatscrot did not like her service, not doing things he expects. I don't like Emmy's web site pic much. I thought she actually looked better than that, last year, although the nose job is probably affecting my judgment. Obviously I thought she was the best looking girl at time of choosing (of the slimmer girls). Now I am not so sure about that. It's hard for me to choose surgeries girls over beautiful natural girls.
As always, a lot depends on chemistry between the girl and customer, whether you really hit it off. Girls can kiss great with some customers, but not the same with others.
Perhaps real obvious, but look after cleaning your teeth well, and preferably tongue as well. Tongue scrapers are on sale here. It is easier to get great kissing if you taste good. Thai girls are sensitive to bad smells. The older you are, the more likely can have breath that is not so perfect, especially if a smoker. My GF is getting close to 40 and smokes a bit, but she manages to mostly keep her smoker's breath under control, with diligence. I am much older so have to be even more diligent. Most girls I fucking these days are non smokers. I am surprised that the percentage of working girls smoking, seems to have dropped off over the years. Unfortunately some of the very best girls I met were smokers.
Franciscass
05-05-16, 11:22
I mentioned on a previous post that I had found Mei at EZ and June at Bongkot, both of whom were excellent choices for me.Thanks Canyon for the heads up on June, an amazing sweet sexy lady who really wants to please and provided all I desired and more. Bongkok is an old style oilie no up-front payment and a genuine customer friendly buzz. Will be visiting Mei soon. May I also say I found your round up of the scene here excellent, precise and pertinent and absent the indulgent navel gazing of some of the content we trawl through.
Thanks Canyon for the heads up on June, an amazing sweet sexy lady who really wants to please and provided all I desired and more. Bongkok is an old style oilie no up-front payment and a genuine customer friendly buzz. Will be visiting Mei soon. May I also say I found your round up of the scene here excellent, precise and pertinent and absent the indulgent navel gazing of some of the content we trawl through.Nice to see a positive report from you, for a change, rather brief. June is one of my regular girls. I have reported on her several times in the past, so nothing recently on her, since it would get repetitive.
It's Bongkot by the way, and pronounced like Bong-got, I guess, since there is a famous Thai actress with big tits called Bongkot Kongmalai, whose name is definitely pronounced Bong-got. Actually they do have Thai writing on the front of shop which seals it. There is a type of lotus flower with the name Bongkot, hence picture of a pink lotus on the front of the shop too.
บงกช
Pics of actress Bongkot, not June
Franciscass
05-06-16, 03:13
Nice to see a positive report from you, for a changeActually S. Not wanting to disappoint you I did manage to slip in a comment on the indulgent navel gazers who use the forum so don't get too excited about a change in what I regard as positive contributions to the conversation on the P4P scene here.
I think Eih tooms not sharing info wouldn't have bothered anyone years ago its just indicative of the boring mongering scene in Bangkok.
At the end of the day almost any hooker can give you good service and people like Eih tooms who post on here and then won't mention the providers information are often just boasting or exaggerating.Well, I have mostly staked out a fairly narrow set of criteria for what qualifies as "great" or (would be) "highly recommended" in P4 P service as far as I am concerned; BBFS and / or BBBJ CIM, preferably including swallowing, the former (BBFS) being the far trickier one to score in most P4 P environments. I have simply not encountered a P4P girl who is so skilled at pleasurable "tricks" so as to distract me from the obvious fact that I am feeling a balloon wrapped around my willy instead of her vaginal walls and now I can consider her P4P service to be "great" despite it. And I can't imagine ever meeting such a P4P girl in Thailand of all places. Apparently, others have found those P4P girls in Thailand and many of them. Those are the posters who will give you the names, locations, badge numbers, likely hours on duty and so on of those (in their opinion) highly skilled girls.
Have you read a lot of reports from guys on this board recommending this or that specific P4 P girl, name and badge number included, who have indulged in BBFS with them and would be likely to do so for the next guy, no problem? I haven't. In fact, I don't think I have read ANY reports like that about Thai P4P girls and venues here. And I understand why virtually no one reports such a thing. So those who were "bothered" by the fact that I or anyone else didn't give out specifics on where to find the girls who did that for me (as it is for others apparently) will have to explain a bit more why on earth we should or would.
Now, I recently suggested (Post #13403 in this thread) a new thread devoted to guys listing those kinds of specifics for readers, such as yourself, who are either bothered that we don't give out that information or think we are wasting their time by not providing it. As of this writing it has gotten exactly zero "I agree!" or "+1" replies from any other posters. Including you. Instead, I have only read heartfelt objections or dismissive comments about the mere notion of such a thread existing.
May I ask, LoveHole69, have you read a detailed report here about such-and-such girl at such-and-such club who delivered exactly this or that service in great detail, acted on it by going to that club and found the experience to be anything close to what was reported here?
I think Eih tooms not sharing info wouldn't have bothered anyone years ago its just indicative of the boring mongering scene in Bangkok.
At the end of the day almost any hooker can give you good service and people like Eih tooms who post on here and then won't mention the providers information are often just boasting or exaggerating.
If a report does not mention any specific girl that can be found, or way to solve some problem at least, it reduces in value greatly, for me. If it also does not at least refer to a specific venue, then becomes rather general. I don't know if the very non specific adventure reports are true or not and don't really care, since I don't really read the detail of them much, skipping over a lot when I can't see relevance to me.
I am all for being specific, tell us about a good girl and in what ways she was good, where to be found, so others might have a clue if she could be worthwhile, or that information has some value. Describing body and face type can be important too. There is no guarantee girls perform great for everyone, but there is at least the hint of possibilities.
I do write reports that specify particular places and particular girls, even if not all of them are a very specific experience. I would like to see others do so as well. A report needs to have some sort of information, that could be used somehow, or is extremely entertaining, however we don't see so many of the later. Skilled humourists that can use more than the stupid, too easy, satire or sarcasm device are very few, I fear. I miss Nic Frenchy's reports, when he was in a good mood, because he could entertain by seeing events in a funny light. One of a very few actually entertaining posters.
If you are not funny, like me, then provide useful info please, on "where to find women for good sex" (to paraphrase the purpose of the forum), or introduce discussion topics that might provoke a useful response with insight.
I guess ET cannot report on girls, lest we all assume that every one of his girls goes BB. LOL. I don't make the assumption myself, that girls doing BB will do it with everyone. I don't know how many are motivated purely by money. I do know of girls that complain about customers wanting BB, even though I did not raise the topic myself. So I assume that some girls are strongly resisting all attempts, perhaps a minority. I haven't yet started my survey to keep asking for BB. I keep forgetting to do this. LOL I suspect some of my regular girls may be willing, but not all.
Well, I have mostly staked out a fairly narrow set of criteria for what qualifies as "great" or (would be) "highly recommended" in P4 P service as far as I am concerned; BBFS and / or BBBJ CIM, preferably including swallowing, the former (BBFS) being the far trickier one to score in most P4 P environments. I have simply not encountered a P4P girl who is so skilled at pleasurable "tricks" so as to distract me from the obvious fact that I am feeling a balloon wrapped around my willy instead of her vaginal walls and now I can consider her P4P service to be "great" despite it. And I can't imagine ever meeting such a P4P girl in Thailand of all places. Apparently, others have found those P4P girls in Thailand and many of them. Those are the posters who will give you the names, locations, badge numbers, likely hours on duty and so on of those (in their opinion) highly skilled girls.
Have you read a lot of reports from guys on this board recommending this or that specific P4 P girl, name and badge number included, who have indulged in BBFS with them and would be likely to do so for the next guy, no problem? I haven't. In fact, I don't think I have read ANY reports like that about Thai P4P girls and venues here. And I understand why virtually no one reports such a thing. So those who were "bothered" by the fact that I or anyone else didn't give out specifics on where to find the girls who did that for me (as it is for others apparently) will have to explain a bit more why on earth we should or would.
Now, I recently suggested (Post #13403 in this thread) a new thread devoted to guys listing those kinds of specifics for readers, such as yourself, who are either bothered that we don't give out that information or think we are wasting their time by not providing it. As of this writing it has gotten exactly zero "I agree!" or "+1" replies from any other posters. Including you. Instead, I have only read heartfelt objections or dismissive comments about the mere notion of such a thread existing.
May I ask, LoveHole69, have you read a detailed report here about such-and-such girl at such-and-such club who delivered exactly this or that service in great detail, acted on it by going to that club and found the experience to be anything close to what was reported here?Part of the probem EihTooms may be, as I mentioned earlier, you may be interpreting some of the code language used here to mean BBFS when at least some of the guys here are not using it for that. In response to your earlier suggestion, I did go back and read quite a few past posts and did not see anyone chastise you or anyone else for a failure to post information on which girls do BBFS. Maybe there was one or two I missed, but I didn't see any. I did see at least one reporter post something about PSE girls, which you interpreted, quite incorrectly as he later pointed out, as indicating he was referring to BBFS girls. PSE and GFE do not universally refer to BBFS although there are some who think the two terms do.
Having said that I, of course, don't have access to your private mail box, and perhaps some of the requests for information about BBFS were sent to you by PM.
In any event, I don't see the point in continuing to raise the BBFS issue here. Some people want BBFS, others don't, but I'm quite certain very few are interested in seeing it discussed here publicly.
Interesting marketing strategy. Perhaps they are not getting enough buyers for the regular 2600 sideliners and 2000 soapy girls so are trying the VIP class. Personally I think it won't work because the place down the road has a whole group of so-called VIP superstars for 7 K or so.That's disappointing, 16 K is what 300+ pounds, for a massage parlor?!
I've been to Bangkok twice and always went to Nataree I think I paid 5 or 6 K. Never went to any other places. I did like the selection of fresh and young girls. Are there any other places recommended for this?
Going next week again.
In any event, I don't see the point in continuing to raise the BBFS issue here. Some people want BBFS, others don't, but I'm quite certain very few are interested in seeing it discussed here publicly.I think you are wrong there. For some guys, BB is vital. Others get very angry about anyone promoting it. We have the whole spectrum of views. It is better to be informed, rather than lack the knowledge of what goes on, I reckon?
I think you are wrong there. For some guys, BB is vital. Others get very angry about anyone promoting it. We have the whole spectrum of views. It is better to be informed, rather than lack the knowledge of what goes on, I reckon?So if I'm wrong, please specify what useful information has been imparted in this thread about BBFS other than that some people may or may not be getting upset about the fact no one is providing identifying information about which girls bareback. Oh, and also that EihTooms likes to bareback.
Help me out guys need good massage and kissing from staff of snow white, candy massage and from cherry massage.In my experience most girls are providing pretty good kissing. It would be easier to report the exceptions of those don't and those who were really extra specially good at it. In general it's a normal service here, I think.
I wouldn't bother with girls who are not into kissing at all. It is one of the biggest turn ONS for me, well done, even more than a BJ.
Maybe I have made exceptions in the past and taken exceptionally stunning girls that were providing weak kissing, but would not be often. Last night had a bar girl with exceptional kissing (significantly above average) called Nikki at No. 1 at CH. I enjoyed the session as it got of too such a good start with really soft slurpy DFK even though she had braces. It matters a lot. As she allowed fingers inside, and was into DATY I was already 80% there to being really turned on. Pussy was pretty good, small clit, even if not best possible fit (quite tight enough though).
Part of the probem EihTooms may be, as I mentioned earlier, you may be interpreting some of the code language used here to mean BBFS when at least some of the guys here are not using it for that. In response to your earlier suggestion, I did go back and read quite a few past posts and did not see anyone chastise you or anyone else for a failure to post information on which girls do BBFS. Maybe there was one or two I missed, but I didn't see any. I did see at least one reporter post something about PSE girls, which you interpreted, quite incorrectly as he later pointed out, as indicating he was referring to BBFS girls. PSE and GFE do not universally refer to BBFS although there are some who think the two terms do.
Having said that I, of course, don't have access to your private mail box, and perhaps some of the requests for information about BBFS were sent to you by PM.
In any event, I don't see the point in continuing to raise the BBFS issue here. Some people want BBFS, others don't, but I'm quite certain very few are interested in seeing it discussed here publicly.No problem, LAGuy5. You might have missed it. So I will just recap a bit of it now, not because it bothered me so much, but only because I don't want the latest word on this being that I am "projecting" what I want to be posted on the forum and that I am only reading into "code" words for what I want to see listed, "misinterpreting' it all or anything like that. Let's call it a "sanity check" on myself. LOL.
Actually, the discussion started with my post #13399, where I just made general comments about "gems. Who exceed all of my expectations" and why some guys do not report good reviews along with detailed contact information for those girls. That was closely followed by my post #13402, where I was extremely specific about what would qualify, for me, as such a gem.
Here it is:
"Add to this the fact that I did indeed get a successful vasectomy many years ago and do indeed have a legitimate, current blood screening test document from Thai Red Cross showing that I tested negative / normal for anything and everything of significance. So if I were to tout a particular hottie here and exactly where to find her on the glowing review that she gave me a REAL GFE experience, bareback everything, swallowed every drop of my cum and seemed genuinely happy about it, only cost me 2,000 baht total, she stayed all night and virtually any man here would rate her a solid bargirl 8+ in looks, I am sure a ton of strangers all over the internet would be thrilled if I posted the location of the bar, her name, badge number, times most likely available and all of that. But they would likely NOT have had a vasectomy, do NOT have a current all clear blood screening document to show her and in all likelihood would not generate the same chemistry with her that I established on a first meeting anyway. Therefore, my giving such a girl a well deserved glowing good review here would not only be useless in the sense that every customer is different and not going to get the exact same service the previous one got, but it would also be potentially dangerous for her and counterproductive to MY being able to book her as often as I might want. ".
I would say that is very clear, even blunt and not cluttered up with any "code" words that might be misinterpreted by me or anyone else, wouldn't you?
That was on 4-25-16. Then, beginning the next day, the following posts by various posters, #13408, #13409, #13410, #13413, #13425, #13434, #13464, began this series of responses:
"Reason for the Forum.
EihTooms:
Your post here goes to the very nature of this forum and the reason for its existence. ", "If everybody had your attitude, the forum would not be very useful. ".
"Agree!! (replying to that previous one) Fully agree with you. I don't quite understand ET's attitude, appears selfish to me. ".
(Another reply to that previous one) "Precisely, it's silly and frustrating. ".
(In a more tempered but still agreeing reply to that previous post) "An honest and positive review will help the ladies make more money; which is what they are in the business to do. Look at it as helping her out. It also helps steer fellow punters towards better P4 P experiences and away from the poor providers and tourist traps. ".
Now, moving into two days after my extremely detailed description of what qualifies as one of the "gems" for whom I would not share detailed contact information on the forum, I got this comment; "ET. No disrespect intended but you're not just being a little selfish but also naive for not 'sharing'. That's my one and only comment. . " (Since that one had a smiley face on it, I can't say for sure if he was serious or just joking).
Goatscrot somewhat defended my position in not sharing specific contact information for my "gems" and to his post defending it, he got this reply from a poster, "If someone posts about a great girl he found but won't name her and where he found her and why she was great, who gives a fuck that he found her, as it is useless information since the rest of us won't be able to experience her for ourselves. It 's just boasting that he knows something that others don't know, so it would be better for him to not post it all. ".
I replied to that poster and his reply came in this way, "I have neither the time nor inclination to go through your posts to see what you have posted about girls you have been with but your previous post states specifically that you will not give information about your "gold" girls, so I stand by my point: if you don't want anyone to be able to find the girl you are posting about, don't post about her. ".
Those above comments and replies all came before my post #13444 where I suggested a new thread (that you objected to) in order to address what bothered those posters by listing the location, name, badge number, etc. Information that several posters on this forum were, IMO, clearing desiring I share.
Which brings us to the most current one I just replied to and to which you just replied saying you haven't seen what I am talking about, this comment, "At the end of the day almost any hooker can give you good service and people like Eih tooms who post on here and then won't mention the providers information are often just boasting or exaggerating. ".
So if I'm wrong, please specify what useful information has been imparted in this thread about BBFS other than that some people may or may not be getting upset about the fact no one is providing identifying information about which girls bareback. Oh, and also that EihTooms likes to bareback.Ha Ha. I am not saying all posts here are useful. I am just saying that BB is a topic some guys are very interested in. It would be wrong to assume no-one wants to read about it, I think. However I am speculating rather than speaking for myself only. I don't say that BB is favorite topic of mine.
When I have received it (rarely) from very special girls, in some cases we swapped medical test results LOL, so I don't assume they provide for everyone, and therefore I did not write here "she suddenly ripped the condom off my dick and put it in again BB". I do believe many or most girls probably could be embarrassed if every one knows they do BB whether always or just for special customers.
I don't expect guys to state whether girl provided BB to them in their reports, and it may not be wise to do so.
If I believe a girl does BB freely and easily with anyone, my choice is not to also take BB from her. I let my buddies catch STDs frequently from very iffy girls where I try to avoid them. I don't write bullshit. I rarely take BB other than BJs, as I while my GF can accept that I play up, she won't be so nice if she catches something from me, I am sure.
Franciscass
05-06-16, 09:13
If you are not funny, like meActually S. You are too modest when you say you are not funny. I find some of your posts truly hilarious, especially the ones describing your encounters with fake noses. So don't sell yourself short eh. Sure yeh with 8000 posts you can get a tad repetitive but your knowledge of what's happening on the scene is second to none so keep 'them coming pal.
Well, I have mostly staked out a fairly narrow set of criteria for what qualifies as "great" or (would be) "highly recommended" in P4 P service as far as I am concerned *snip* have you read a detailed report here about such-and-such girl at such-and-such club who delivered exactly this or that service in great detail, acted on it by going to that club and found the experience to be anything close to what was reported here?I'm probably an idiot for jumping into this discussion, but I think a couple of valid points are blurred. First, the forum is a great place to get and give information, but the public post is only one information channel. I send a helluva lot more PMs than I post field reports. You ran into a girl at such-and-such bar or MP, and she rocked your world? Great, love to read about your adventures, especially if you are one of the really good writers who occasionally post. If I want to know a name or a badge number or whatever, I am perfectly capable of asking for that specific information.
Second, and I have said something on this point in another post, I no longer think it's smart or a good idea or a sensible choice to name the names. I am reliably informed by some providers who I have known for years -- and who have no reason to bullshit me -- that WAY, WAY too many guys read a report and do, in fact, "act{ed] on it by going to that club and found the experience to be anything close to what was reported", but not EXACTLY what was reported. Result? Guys who are upset and abusive to the girl. So, I stopped reporting names, just venues / MPs. Yes, I will give up names to many people who ask, but I'm cautious about what I say in the open forum.
We rant about how things are not changing for the better in Bangkok. The changes also involve, I think, the clientele. I used to gush about experiences with Fah and Nong and Nestle and Nice and god knows who else 10 years ago. Maybe I was naive then -- and I'm certainly confident that most providers can look after themselves -- but I am much more cautious about what I write. Anyway, my two baht worth. TTG.
AssLover945
05-06-16, 12:34
Reading through the last few posts would make punters think twice whether they must post their finds or not.
But then each one to his own.
Got a little buzz on my phone, that a new cracker has been spotted and I must make an obligatory visit ASAP. So in the cause of mongering, I headed towards candy.
The girl was just what I needed after a hard dy at office.
Still an amateur and very young. But very enthusiastic and willing to please. Her name is BEAUTY.
Also spotted my other find 2-3 months back Emmy, who still has that schoolgirlish innocence! Lots of punters did write to me, thanking me for the tip on Emmy.
Keep the peace, just enjoy guys!
Franciscass
05-06-16, 12:48
Thanks Canyon for the heads up on June, an amazing sweet sexy lady who really wants to please and provided all I desired and more. Bongkok is an old style oilie no up-front payment and a genuine customer friendly buzz. Will be visiting Mei soon. May I also say I found your round up of the scene here excellent, precise and pertinent and absent the indulgent navel gazing of some of the content we trawl through.Reading some of the latest posts reminds me of a comment June from Bongkok made to me when I asked her what nationalities she liked and didn't like. She says for her there are only two kinds of customer good customers and bad customers. She doesn't care where they come from whether fat or skinny, old or young all she asks for is respect. In return she will try her best to please and told me she is happy to let a customer know in advance what is on offer and actually prefers this happens. I liked the part about there being only two kinds of customer, smart lady.
Reading through the last few posts would make punters think twice whether they must post their finds or not.
But then each one to his own.
Got a little buzz on my phone, that a new cracker has been spotted and I must make an obligatory visit ASAP. So in the cause of mongering, I headed towards candy.
The girl was just what I needed after a hard dy at office.
Still an amateur and very young. But very enthusiastic and willing to please. Her name is BEAUTY.
Also spotted my other find 2-3 months back Emmy, who still has that schoolgirlish innocence! Lots of punters did write to me, thanking me for the tip on Emmy.
Keep the peace, just enjoy guys!After experiencing some of the new gals at Candy, I must say that Candy needs to spend some more time training her girls. No matter what they look like they need to have at least a modicum of skills to work in a PSE shop. While enthusiasm is certainly appreciated, on its own is solely not a replacement for knowing your way around the male anatomy. Newer gals should be spending their first few sessions with seasoned veterans in order to develop a baseline skill set and then set out on their own to hone them. The newer gals I have been with at Candy are nice and eager, but for me that is just not enough when we are talking about a PSE shop.
Perhaps AL945 you should volunteer for the position of Guinea pig. You are called in when new blood arrives and then you go with her and one of the vets for a couple of sessions. And in turn Candy gives you 2 for 1 for these sessions.
Ralph Kramden
05-06-16, 14:15
Reading through the last few posts would make punters think twice whether they must post their finds or not.
But then each one to his own.
Got a little buzz on my phone, that a new cracker has been spotted and I must make an obligatory visit ASAP. So in the cause of mongering, I headed towards candy.
The girl was just what I needed after a hard dy at office.
Still an amateur and very young. But very enthusiastic and willing to please. Her name is BEAUTY.
Also spotted my other find 2-3 months back Emmy, who still has that schoolgirlish innocence! Lots of punters did write to me, thanking me for the tip on Emmy.
Keep the peace, just enjoy guys!She looks Korean to me with cute little tits and slim body. I would certainly find that refreshing along with a winning attitude.
Finally got to repeat J J at Addict. A little disappointed with her looks at first while clothed. Medium short 156? Hair was coloured. Nose job but not a bad one. A bit more puffy than I normally take but no flab. Not at all fat. After she got the gear off I was happy enough. Has a cheeky look and natural soft tits.
Once got into the BBB and 69 it was not hard to see why I wanted to repeat. The feeling was fabulous. I have control so did not pop yet. Wanted to fuck her too. Fabulous. I see why guys might like just a little more padding at times.
If she was really pretty, I would be really hooked but the performance is just right for me. I asked if she had training. She said no. Originally Addict used the extremely popular girl Sandy as a trainer but J J only arrived this year, and Sandy was too busy to do any training. So I guess J J has natural ability.
Normally I use lots of lube with girls but was not necessary with J J. She seemed to be well lubricated naturally for a long time. For me. She is a little sex bomb.
The Oily body slide was a nice intro too. I will keep repeating even her face is barely a 7 on the pretty scale. Cute and mischievous is how I would describe her. Good DFK.
Did not think of anal or rimming. Her other aspects were too blissful already. Left very happy with attitude and endurance.
At Addict I have only ever tried First and J J. First was average OK but J J is guaranteed heaven for my style of sex.
Hi like the title says,
Please recommend any nice parlors with everything except sex is on the menu.
Tantrik massage girls or parlors.
Please help, PM me if you can.
Thanks.
Once got into the BBB and 69 it was not hard to see why I wanted to repeat.That was supposed to be BBBJ and 69.
I'm probably an idiot for jumping into this discussion, but I think a couple of valid points are blurred. First, the forum is a great place to get and give information, but the public post is only one information channel. I send a helluva lot more PMs than I post field reports. You ran into a girl at such-and-such bar or MP, and she rocked your world? Great, love to read about your adventures, especially if you are one of the really good writers who occasionally post. If I want to know a name or a badge number or whatever, I am perfectly capable of asking for that specific information.
Second, and I have said something on this point in another post, I no longer think it's smart or a good idea or a sensible choice to name the names. I am reliably informed by some providers who I have known for years -- and who have no reason to bullshit me -- that WAY, WAY too many guys read a report and do, in fact, "act{ed] on it by going to that club and found the experience to be anything close to what was reported", but not EXACTLY what was reported. Result? Guys who are upset and abusive to the girl. So, I stopped reporting names, just venues / MPs. Yes, I will give up names to many people who ask, but I'm cautious about what I say in the open forum.
We rant about how things are not changing for the better in Bangkok. The changes also involve, I think, the clientele. I used to gush about experiences with Fah and Nong and Nestle and Nice and god knows who else 10 years ago. Maybe I was naive then -- and I'm certainly confident that most providers can look after themselves -- but I am much more cautious about what I write. Anyway, my two baht worth. TTG.I am with you on just about every point, TTG (except the part about you probably being an idiot. LOL).
But for those who feell they must identify girls on the internet and associate them directly with providing specific sexual acts, I might suggest following a general guideline for such information posted about Escort Service girls, where their pics, names and numbers are also available on the internet. You guys know those lists of "Services Provided" for each girl? I would say the items you see most often unashamedly checked on those lists are more or less fair game mentions with most other identified P4 P girls in Thailand (although the addition of a photo might cause problems for them. The name they go by in a venue is likely made up anyway).
In my case, that eliminates virtually every girl I would give a glowing review to as a gem beyond the easily available standard service to be found almost any direction you walk since, as far as I know, the items "BBFS" and / or "BBBJ CIM + Swallow" or something similar has never or exteemely rarely even appeared on one of those lists much less been commonly checked as being provided in such a public fashion on the internet. I think I have only seen one instance where the word "swallow" related to a BBBJ was included in the services provided by a particular escort on one if those sites.
I visited Caesars entertainment complex in January 2014 , paid about 4000 bahts for a girl which included 1000 farang charge, a bit heavy with natural breasts, she was student and was studying in Florida, her English was good, she gave bath, than CBJ and than sex in cowboy position, overall an OK experience.
I think you are wrong there. For some guys, BB is vital. Others get very angry about anyone promoting it. We have the whole spectrum of views. It is better to be informed, rather than lack the knowledge of what goes on, I reckon?Excellent points, S. And once a poster has made it rather graphically clear what qualifies for him as a good or bad experience, as you certainly have, as others here have and as I believe I have despite my (understandable, IMO) resistaance to identifying specific names, badge numbers and so on, they can become extremely useful sources of information on the upside for readers of like mind and the downside for readers who reject their views.
Even in my case where I don't name the names of girls who do what I would rate as good, I have certainly narrowed the field to a certain group of girls in a particular venue or three. Anyone interested in what I have suggested is my preference and who is capable of connecting a couple of rather obvious dots would have some fairly strong leads to follow in order to find what I found.
Hi like the title says, Please recommend any nice parlors with everything except sex is on the menu. Tantrik massage girls or parlors. Thanks.I tried to PM, but something is not working (second day straight.) I recommend King And I Spa & Massage, Address: ; Sukhumvit Plaza ซ; soi 12 Bangkok 10110, Thailand.
Phone:+66 2 653 0700. You can find the website on line. I was introduced to King and I by a Tulip girl about a thousand years ago. Getting a great massage and paying for her massage paid ENORMOUS dividends.
I'm sure there are other places you can find with a quick search.
SirWilliam4
05-07-16, 05:23
Tarntip Massage on Soi 7/1 is excellent -- and totally legit.
SW4.
Hi like the title says,
Please recommend any nice parlors with everything except sex is on the menu.
Tantrik massage girls or parlors.
Please help, PM me if you can.
Thanks.
I tried to PM, but something is not working (second day straight.) I recommend King And I Spa & Massage, Address: ; Sukhumvit Plaza ซ; soi 12 Bangkok 10110, Thailand.
Phone:+66 2 653 0700. You can find the website on line. I was introduced to King and I by a Tulip girl about a thousand years ago. Getting a great massage and paying for her massage paid ENORMOUS dividends.
I'm sure there are other places you can find with a quick search. If you want to give info just give it. Others may benefit. You can use General Thread if you really fear being off topic. Just my opinions.
Sure I use PMs but try to limit to close buddies and then email can be easier.
Not a PM fan.
Sure I use PMs but try to limit to close buddies and then email can be easier or LINE or Whatsapp. I hate PM formatting actually.
On a phone the text width can be less than 1 cm. With massive margins. Stupid software.As an alternative view, I use PMs here far more than I use the open board.
I don't experience any hassles with the software, and if guys PM me then I PM them back.
I also give out a lot of direct and specific information (numbers and locations) to guys with whom I have established contacts via PM.
I prefer not to feed the lazy lurkers who take everything off this board but give very little in return.
Hi like the title says,
Please recommend any nice parlors with everything except sex is on the menu.
Tantrik massage girls or parlors.
Please help, PM me if you can.
Thanks.If I read this correctly you are looking for a tantra type massage which is more sexual than a normal thai massage. If that is the case this place seems to fit the bill: http://www.tantramassagebangkok.com/.
SL.
Visited Anne at Loli-tas today. Not for a BJ but for full sex service. A repeat, if fact the last remaining girl I normally repeat, that wasn't done in the last 3 weeks. Braces on the teeth, slim, and small tits. Short blonde hair could make her appear like a Tomboy to some. Cute nose. Her ass is spectacular high and taunt and not overly large but not too small either. Special room.
Normally I don't rate her BBBJ, but today in 69 position it was not too bad. Not in the same class as J. J. At Addict at all for skills, but it was adequate to get me going. I asked for very soft and slow and got close to that today with ball tickling.
She rode me very nicely in cowgirl, has rather tight pussy, and we then change to normal and finally to doggy to get the views of her ass, the best part, and I got off nicely in that position. Doesn't do dirty ass rimming or anal as far as I know. I was happy enough as usual.
Girl gets approx. 1 K of the 1700 fee for a special room customer, plus any tips the customer may give. Girls obviously make significantly less for just a BJ which I have heard varies depending on how many customers the girl has done. I don't know why that is.
Taken that most gals are now stated to be A+ on websites we can take this out of the equation; so what exactly do we consider standard service at PSE oilies. My two cents as follows- DFK, BBBJ / BBBJCIM, DATY /69, fingering (provider and customer if requested), multi-position sex covered, MSOG, rimming (provider and customer), HJ (sadly most of the newer gals haven't a clue), and the ability to give a decent massage. The gals should also posses skill in all of the preceding.
Hopefully they develop the ability to read the customer and monitor and adjust to his wants and needs without having to be told to much. Better providers will also introduce new tricks in subsequent sessions. My best oily gals always had something new every 2 or so sessions. They truly polished their skill sets. But that is above and beyond standard service.
I don't get it. He is not your personal buddy nor is the info likely to be top secret, so I fail to see the need for a PM. If you want to give info just give it. Others may benefit. You can use General Thread if you really fear being off topic. Just my opinions. Not a PM fan.
Sure I use PMs but try to limit to close buddies and then email can be easier or LINE or Whatsapp. I hate PM formatting actually. On a phone the text width can be less than 1 cm. With massive margins. Stupid software.Just a thought.
Just a thought.Your right. I did not notice.
I called in at Crazy house at 9 PM for a short while. The line up of girls was a bit crap to be honest. 3 of the better looking tall slim girls with red badges, I had tried before and they were crap on the bed for me, being (if I get the names and numbers right) 28 Aum, 56? Uiy, and 54? Taeng Mo. I also know green badge Naen (a good fuck but a bit small for me). The girl of my objective did not show, nor did any of my regulars, or even anyone very pretty to tempt me. Line up last Friday was way better.
So decided to try some massage joints, by phone first. My Bongkot girl was away with a few days off, my Annies girl was away.
Decided to head to Soi 24/1. Looked in Cherry. First time in a long time. Only 4 girls available. I like model looks but all 4 were rather short, and not specially slim nor specially thick. Nutty was the best looking of the 4 by a large margin, but still not enough to give me a spark. Don't quite remember all 4 names, best I don't mention since the others were ugly to my taste. Obviously I was there at the wrong time to get the best line up. I accept that wrong time is not good. I am not trying to denigrate Cherry really. Could happen anywhere, and as I said I did not like the Crazy House line up either this night.
I looked at girls sitting at other shops, Can Cam (used be a place I used), same for Boss, looked at All Star girls, etc. Only really saw one girl in that Soi that was moderately attractive, at this bad time. She had a uniform. Maybe shop was B&B?
I moved on and went to Mango. Fern was on holiday. Just 4 girls available at this bad time. All quite ugly unfortunately. Next stop Addict. Maybe 25 to 30 girls available in line up. Flabbergasting compared to the other quiet shops. Mamasan wants to recommend for me. I tell her in Thai not to bother as she would not be knowing my spec. Saw though, she wants to point out a girl opposite to my spec. Mamasan says she is very good and big boobs. Yeh right! Big silicone job, also nose job also face injections making cheeks look strange, face is too round for me, she is far too short as well. There is no way in hell I would go with her. I prefer to take a crap shoot of my own making. I manage to spot a girl with face not so wide, cute nose, slightly coloured hair, about 160 cm with no surgeries, sort of cute to my taste, Poppy. However she is very shy looking. Could be a problem. Can't see the body properly since girls have silly uniforms. I don't like the way they dress as it hides the body too much.
My girl is not super young, I guess, but not old either. Turns out she has small tits and body is slim but so-so. I don't really like massage but her massage is crappy. Hands moving around far too fast. I ask her to go half speed, but terminate the massage part fairly soon.
She is timid at first so only light kissing. I move to DATY. She does really get into that. Her juices flowed. Her blow job was very so so indeed. Too much use of the hand and rather too fast. Could not get her to go as slow as I like. I switch to fingering her pussy which is very soft smooth and slippery (wet from the DATY). She wasn't really skilled at anything, but her pussy felt great, so I managed to enjoy somewhat the fuck, and cum in doggy. So money not totally wasted, but as I say, it's a crap shoot.
In end she was prettier than J. J. (other Addict girl tried) in the face, but not even close to the sex skills of J. J. We got on well enough from a conversation point of view (in Thai). I think not good enough to repeat unless I am desperate. I do have regular girls that are prettier, better body, kiss much better and fuck much better as well. So Poppy did not have enough good aspects to recommend other than cutish face, all natural, and nice feeling pussy (it's not enough).
It's hard to find all natural girls at Addict, and if you do, they may not be skilled, so the large line up is really only helping a little bit. I prefer to get to know girls for significant time before deciding to fuck them and preferably see them fully nude. That is why the bar is working for me, even if more expensive. I like to do a few regular massage girls though. If I had remembered, I might have gone to try Darling massage since I thought the line up was good last time I looked. Silly bad memory. Just thought of it now.
All up, Sunday night is not the best, if can't find your regulars.
Nearly forgot. Also called in at EZ. Staff girl showed me the picture book. I then pointed out that I liked 4 girls starting with Yumi. She then asks if I will take Yumi. I say no I need to see the 4 girls I have selected first, then choose one (all the rest were too ugly even in the photos). She then says no you cannot see them first. Yeh right! Could be they do not look at all like the photos. I don't know if any of the 4 I selected were actually on the premises.
I am not actually totally against short girls. I do take short girls but they have to have a really good body or really good face or both. My GF is short, but has a great body, and looks good in heels, so it's O.K. for me.
Next Sunday, I probably won't monger unless have a firm booking with some regular stunner. It's just not a great day. Monday is probably better.
BiscuitHead
05-09-16, 09:04
Hi,
I'm in Bangkok and I read your post. I have a question and was hoping you could help me out.
Can you let me know where this was? Is it a place called Candy Massage? If so is that the same as Cherry Massage?
Thanks, I'm only in town for a few days and any help would be appreciated!
Reading through the last few posts would make punters think twice whether they must post their finds or not.
But then each one to his own.
Got a little buzz on my phone, that a new cracker has been spotted and I must make an obligatory visit ASAP. So in the cause of mongering, I headed towards candy.
The girl was just what I needed after a hard dy at office.
Still an amateur and very young. But very enthusiastic and willing to please. Her name is BEAUTY.
Also spotted my other find 2-3 months back Emmy, who still has that schoolgirlish innocence! Lots of punters did write to me, thanking me for the tip on Emmy.
Keep the peace, just enjoy guys!
If I read this correctly you are looking for a tantra type massage which is more sexual than a normal thai massage. If that is the case this place seems to fit the bill: http://www.tantramassagebangkok.com/.
SL.Surely sex is on the menu at this place. I would have thought the Tantra bit was just a name gimmick, suggesting extra prolonged teasing before actually doing it. Please enlighten me, since for sure I don't understand the meaning of Tantric Massage well at all. What is Daebis asking for, if he doesn't want actual sex, or is he just fishing? Does he wish to be cock teased something awful? Is a hand job considered sex? To me a handjob, a blowjob, a fuck, etc. , its all sex if it gets you off, by a girl playing with you and especially if she is naked. Bill Clinton's BJ was sex, a handjob is still sexual for the recipient, maybe not fully sexual for the girl in her mind, as less bodily invasive.
I was always told by previous girlfriends that it was okay to look but not to touch. That is pretty clear. Sexual touching is sex, even if cock doesn't go in pussy, in my understanding. That is purely one variation of it. If I put fingers in a girl's pussy, or have her wank my dick, I don't try to delude myself that it is not an act of playing up sexually. Even if I just DFK some girl, still I am playing up, even if not sexual in the mind of some. Nice DFK gets my dick hard quite quickly. Uncontrollable automatic sexual reaction.
I thought there is real massage with no hint of sex whatsoever, or there is "naughty" massage that has some sex services of one type or another. If you go to the Asian Herbal Association, you get fully non sexual massage and I am sure they would not offer Tantric (implying sex).
I probably don't understand the Psychological thought, since I never go looking for HJ, probably because hand is typically too firm for my liking, and I don't like my skin to be "rubbed". I only like to slippery slide in a mouth, in a pussy, body on body, etc.
One of my very early massage experiences in Thailand was at Chawala. The customers were partitioned off from each other, but walls did not go high to ceiling. Girls were not allowed to take their shorts off or actually fuck. Could be fired if caught fucking or completely naked. I am sure some guys managed to fuck anyway even with girls shorts still on. Groping the girl was a normal part of the session. i.e. getting the fingers under her shorts and inside her pussy. I managed to give DATY to a girl despite shorts being still on. I am sure BBBJ was included. To actually fuck properly, girls wanted to meet me after work. It all seemed like a gimmick to me. For the place to be supposedly non-sexual, by girls wearing a white coat and keeping shorts on, but in reality to be very sexual. Some customers like the thought that they are sneaking and breaking the rules. It's extra turn on for them.
I called in at Crazy house at 9 PM for a short while. The line up of girls was a bit crap to be honest. 3 of the better looking tall slim girls with red badges, I had tried before and they were crap on the bed for me, being (if I get the names and numbers right) 28 Aum, 56? Uiy, and 54? Taeng Mo. I also know green badge Naen (a good fuck but a bit small for me). The girl of my objective did not show, nor did any of my regulars, or even anyone very pretty to tempt me. Line up last Friday was way better....
I think there is some truth in the saying that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
A woman, who doesn't look attractive to you, might look attractive to some other guy. And that's why you should say that you aren't attracted to her or you don't like her looks, instead of calling her ugly and unattractive. When you call her ugly, then you imply that she looks unattractive for every guy. Which probably isn't true.
And the thing about the eye of the beholder is that this has limitations too. Because you don't normally see everything when you meet a new lady. It's not just the woman's face that's attractive for a guy. That which you don't see under her clothing can be very attractive too. And this attractiveness you don't know, unless you go for a massage with her.
I've had experiences before where I went with a lady whom I didn't find especially attractive. I was feeling sorry that I took her. But then she dropped her clothing with me, and really liked her right away. Because I saw something I didn't see before. And I've had experiences where it was the other way around. I was especially attracted to a lady, when I saw her in her clothing. But once she undressed, then some of my liking disappeared. And it was again because I saw something that I didn't see before.
That's why you need to limit your judgement of ladies, if you've just seen them in the lobby and didn't go for massage with them. You don't fully know how attractive they are, even for yourself.
I found from my experience that meeting a new lady for the first time ever and immediately going to bed with her didn't work well for me. And this had nothing to do with her looks. It didn't work well for me, even when she was a very attractive woman. It was simply too fast for my feelings. My mood wasn't quite there to do her, even though I liked her.
I think it works better for a guy, if you see a lady who catches your eye, but you don't go for her right away. You fantasize about her, and you masturbate about her, and only then you go to nail her. Because then you have a plan how you are going to nail her sexy bum. And you are totally in the mood to do her good.
When you prepare yourself for a lady, then you enjoy it more with her. But if you've just met the lady and you haven't yet had a chance to fantasize about her, then it's better to wait and masturbate, until you meet her next time.
Surely sex is on the menu at this place. I would have thought the Tantra bit was just a name gimmick, suggesting extra prolonged teasing before actually doing it. Please enlighten me, since for sure I don't understand the meaning of Tantric Massage well at all. What is Daebis asking for, if he doesn't want actual sex, or is he just fishing? Does he wish to be cock teased something awful? Is a hand job considered sex? To me a handjob, a blowjob, a fuck, etc. , its all sex if it gets you off, by a girl playing with you and especially if she is naked. Bill Clinton's BJ was sex, a handjob is still sexual for the recipient, maybe not fully sexual for the girl in her mind, as less bodily invasive.This shop is associated with Analisa Massage. Yes FS is on offer they call it Tantra Full Option.
Not my view; but some people only consider it sex if there is boom-boom, and everything else is foreplay. For them there is an old saying: eatin' ain't cheatin'.
No expert so I am not so sure how to properly define Tantra. It is purported to enhance sexual awareness and wellness. I would describe it though as a passive massage using various techniques to achieve prolonged sexual arousal with a non boom-boom climax. A decent B2B Nuru massage probably accomplishes the same basic thing.
SL.
This shop is associated with Analisa Massage. Yes FS is on offer they call it Tantra Full Option.
Not my view; but some people only consider it sex if there is boom-boom, and everything else is foreplay. For them there is an old saying: eatin' is not cheatin'.
No expert so I am not so sure how to properly define Tantra. It is purported to enhance sexual awareness and wellness. I would describe it though as a passive massage using various techniques to achieve prolonged sexual arousal with a non boom-boom climax. A Nuru massage probably accomplishes the same basic thing.
SL.I think Tantric sex means different things to different people. I found one reference which says,
Tantra teaches lovers how to extend the peak of their sexual ecstasy so that women and men can experience several orgasms in a single sexual encounter.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/sexual-health/sexuality/tantric-sex-dictionary1.htm
Having multiple cumshot with the lady. That's what Tantric sex is for me.
And by this definition, those PSE shops, where ladies routinely do multiple cumshots, are more Tantric for me than anything else out there.
Wolvenvacht
05-09-16, 19:42
Hi,
I'm in Bangkok and I read your post. I have a question and was hoping you could help me out.
Can you let me know where this was? Is it a place called Candy Massage? If so is that the same as Cherry Massage?
Thanks, I'm only in town for a few days and any help would be appreciated!(Sigh) Don't they teach the youngsters how to google for information anymore?
Candy Massage: http://www.candy-massage.com/.
Cherry Massage: http://cherrymassagebkk.com/.
AsianArAddict
05-10-16, 07:38
Fellow mongers,
I am coming to the land of smiles tonight. From the forums and elsewhere I have gathered some info. I plan to visit the following places. Please suggest if they are fine or I need to add / change some.
Thanks a lot in advance.
Oily: Bamboo, Thonglor 2 (these 2 seem to be high end and neat oilies).
Soapy: Mitu, Lord's (best time to visit them?
Clubs: Mixx, Spasso, Spicy, Levels (looking for the best nightspot for non-Thais like CIS, south Americans etc.).
Cheers,
ARaddict
And the thing about the eye of the beholder is that this has limitations too. Because you don't normally see everything when you meet a new lady. It's not just the woman's face that's attractive for a guy. That which you don't see under her clothing can be very attractive too. And this attractiveness you don't know, unless you go for a massage with her.Of course Dan, however I would think its very obvious that it's just my opinion, and I do often say I have a rather narrow spec (pun intended). Perhaps ugly is an ugly word, but it is the thought that comes into my head. I could say the girl was not doable, for me. Ugly is such a short uncomplicated word. I could use a euphemism and say that to my eye she was very ordinary, however I actually mean below average for some of the shops I looked in, and even average is not exciting me. Call a spade a spade I guess. I am not super polite. I try to have a positive attitude. So Nutty at Cherry was at least one reasonably pretty faced girl for me. Mango had none at the time but line up was very thin (well below normal size). Years ago Cat was the only girl at Mango pretty enough for me in the face. These days Fern is okay For me. Snow White and Tulip, I haven't found any regular girl pretty enough for me yet (actually have not visited Tulip for quite a while. So out of date info). That shows I am very fussy, I am sure.
I expect the prettier girls to my taste were either not working or busy. There have to be some well below average looks girls, right. They tend to be more available than the lookers.
It's hard to excite me much since I want a dream princess girl, or if face not much better than average, then body has to superb. Others are choosing performance and not fussy about looks, but that is not my style. It's hard for me to cum, but really hot pretty looks helps excite me more.
I generally am not interested in girls with superb bodies, but very ordinary faces. There are so many of those in Crazy House. The majority of girls have figures okay To very good. Its just the pretty faces are much fewer, to a very picky person (and my particular taste). I am more likely to take a girl with very pretty face and imperfect body, within limits. I generally find myself not so attracted to very saggy ass girls though. Tits a little saggy maybe okay.
In the MP we don't have the benefit of seeing the girls nude in the line up. It could change my opinion of many girls. A lot more would get rejected because body did not measure up. Perhaps some would get stronger consideration if a super body.
Last night called in at Mercury, briefly. Mostly "average" girls, or below average and chubby (I try not to use the stronger words LOL). A few slim ones. The two girls I intended to meet were not there, Noi and Fai (if I remember the 2nd name right). There was a very stunning slim Coyote of 165 cm called Palm however. Nose job, but a very subtle good one such that I could not be sure, and had to ask her. Tits look good and natural but covered. I chatted to her for a while, but no BF on this occasion. Maybe some day. Excessively pretty and faultless body, as fa as I could see it. That is what gets me in. My point is any shop can have mostly unexciting girls, to say the least, for difficult specs like mine, but maybe the odd one of interest is possible, that is either pretty enough, or amazingly pretty.
I like your comments on the Tantric post.
(Sigh) Don't they teach the youngsters how to google for information anymore?
Candy Massage: http://www.candy-massage.com/.
Cherry Massage: http://cherrymassagebkk.com/.Both are in Sukhumvit Soi 24/1 within 50 metres of each other. So easy to look in both. Candy I think is close to start of the little Soi (next to All Stars I guess). Cherry toward the end. Always worth a look in this Soi since several shops and a lot of girls all up, to pick from. Sunday night I was still unsuccessful, with only one girl really turning my head at all. Bad timing. 10 PM on Sunday is not the greatest.
Hi All,
I'm arriving into Suvarnabhumi at the end of May. We'll be landing on Sunday May 29th about lunchtime and will probably have bags collected and ready to roll at about 1400.
My buddy wants to jump in a taxi and head straight for Pattaya getting in there for about 1600. I am thinking of dumping my bags in left luggage (I think its 100 B) and heading in on the train to BKK to Huay Kwang for Nataree or Asoke and either going to see Wan at Bamboo (despite the damn A+ surcharge) or maybe heading up to Bongkot to do a repeat with Cash (search on my handle and you can find my reviews on both) or maybe popping into SW Soi 26.
A few questions if you don't mind guys -.
1. Is Cash working as in WORKING or is she doing the mamasan bit for now?
2. Whats my timing like for Nataree or the Suk oilies? I would have thought that 1500 (ish) Sunday afternoon would be a good time.
3. What would you do? Is it worth the effort and time heading into BKK. Should I just head straight for Patts and hit Soi Honey / Soi 6 as soon as I get there?
Thanks,
Franciscass
05-11-16, 05:26
Thanks Canyon for the heads up on June, an amazing sweet sexy lady who really wants to please and provided all I desired and more. Bongkok is an old style oilie no up-front payment and a genuine customer friendly buzz. Will be visiting Mei soon.Dropped by EZ Soi24/1 in the hope of a session with Mei. She was not there but I tell you it would have been easier to get information out of a Guantanamo inmate that it was to find out when or if she might be available. Was looking forward to a bit of strange but no biggie June more than helped me over my disappointment. Any info on Mei appreciated!
Christian G
05-11-16, 10:29
3. What would you do? Is it worth the effort and time heading into BKK. Should I just head straight for Patts and hit Soi Honey / Soi 6 as soon as I get there?If you have not planned to spend at least one night in Bangkok I think it's better to take a taxi for Pattaya at the airport.
Eric Cartman
05-11-16, 13:36
Had some time to kill in BKK so went over to Analisa today to get the prostate scrubbed. Just put "Analisa Massage" in google maps and you can find it. I usually take the BTS Sky Train to the station after Asoke (towards Bearing), Phrom Phong I think (that has the Emporium mall), and then walk back. It's about a 10+ minute walk and always is super hot, like today.
I suppose it is about equidistant from Asoke, but it looks a bit further on the map.
Honey Bee is right next to Analisa and apparently provides the same services. In fact, the girl I went with today, "Sara", they called over from Tantra Massage across the other side of the Soi, and she did the massage there at Tantra.
They showed me an iPad of who was working. Not many choices at 2 pm on a Wednesday. Peachy was on her day off. Sara seemed the best looking but not saying a lot.
I went in just for the prostate massage, which is like 1,100 baht, but the receptionist upsold me to the 2,200 1 HR oil slide / HJ / BJ / prostate combo. Not really worth it. Sara did a kind of shitty massage for 40 minutes, then started the slide. Nothing to write home about.
It was a very light, unimpressive oil massage, including a part with feathers, and some light tickling and occasional brushing of Little Cartman to keep him interested.
Finally as I was on my back, after she finished the front oil slide, she spread my legs and gloved up. Had to give her some encouragement to get the digits in there. After I stood to attention, she whipped out a condom (and did a very half-hearted BJ while she really started to work my prostate.
Covered BJ was a surprise and I really didn't think anything would happen. But wouldn't you know it, her prostate-pumping fingers did the job in about 2 minutes and, even though I tried to hold back, it was impossible.
So props to her for that.
Worth it? Nope. Regular prostate massage, probably. Will go back tomorrow to see if Peachy can do better. Booked her for 90 minutes so I want 2 shots on goal.
-Cartman.
Dropped by EZ Soi24/1 in the hope of a session with Mei. She was not there but I tell you it would have been easier to get information out of a Guantanamo inmate that it was to find out when or if she might be available. Was looking forward to a bit of strange but no biggie June more than helped me over my disappointment. Any info on Mei appreciated!A crystal ball would be useful to know the future. Thai girls are very unreliable and unpredictable, therefore shops have a standard reply of "she on holiday" which eventually changes to admit "she doesn't work here any more". Keep trying a few times by phone then give up. That tends to be my approach.
My recommendation for any really important girls is to get their personal contact info. Even that generally stops working on a regular basis when they change phones or SIM cards.
PerezPerez
05-11-16, 14:38
Just returning from CH, it was exactly as I read on this forum specially many posts from Syz. There will considerable number of good lookers with decent to excellent figure, some covered their belly because of birth mark. Within them 95 had an amazing body according to my taste. 114 had good eye contact with me and smiled all the time while dancing on stage. Called her for a drink and had a small chat, came to know bar fine is 700 and St for her 2500 negotiated to 2000. My first time to CH and was there today from 7:30 till 8:30 pm. Plan to bar fine Pat 114 tomorrow. She was really friendly had a decent body and said is 24 with 1 kid. Any comments from Syz the CH specialist would be helpful.
Hi All,
I'm arriving into Suvarnabhumi at the end of May. We'll be landing on Sunday May 29th about lunchtime and will probably have bags collected and ready to roll at about 1400.
My buddy wants to jump in a taxi and head straight for Pattaya getting in there for about 1600. I am thinking of dumping my bags in left luggage (I think its 100 B) and heading in on the train to BKK to Huay Kwang for Nataree or Asoke and either going to see Wan at Bamboo (despite the damn A+ surcharge) or maybe heading up to Bongkot to do a repeat with Cash (search on my handle and you can find my reviews on both) or maybe popping into SW Soi 26.
A few questions if you don't mind guys -.
1. Is Cash working as in WORKING or is she doing the mamasan bit for now?
2. Whats my timing like for Nataree or the Suk oilies? I would have thought that 1500 (ish) Sunday afternoon would be a good time.
3. What would you do? Is it worth the effort and time heading into BKK. Should I just head straight for Patts and hit Soi Honey / Soi 6 as soon as I get there?
Thanks,I think Bangkok is good to stay at, when you have other things to do there, besides meeting women and going to massage places. Because it's a busy place with a lot of traffic and pollution. It's not an especially pleasant place to stay at. And many hotels in Bangkok aren't especially welcoming for any female guests you might want to bring with you to your hotel room overnight.
Pattaya is more relaxed. It has less pollution. It has plenty of women, including massage parlors. And the hotels in Pattaya are more welcoming for female guests than in Bangkok.
The only thing I don't know about Pattaya is where to get A+ or multiple cumshots type of experience. The PSE shops in Bangkok might be better for this.
Member #4698
05-11-16, 16:47
I think Bangkok is good to stay at, when you have other things to do there, besides meeting women and going to massage places. Because it's a busy place with a lot of traffic and pollution. It's not an especially pleasant place to stay at. And many hotels in Bangkok aren't especially welcoming for any female guests you might want to bring with you to your hotel room overnight.
Pattaya is more relaxed. It has less pollution. {Except the beach is totally polluted and its not healthy to swim here.} It has plenty of women, including massage parlors. And the hotels in Pattaya are more welcoming for female guests than in Bangkok. {I strongly disagree here. See my response below}
The only thing I don't know about Pattaya is where to get A+ or multiple cumshots type of experience. The PSE shops in Bangkok might be better for this.I do not know where you stay in BKK, but my experience with BKK Hotels is that they are very accommodating toward me and my girls ie my girls are never carded unless I want them to be and I can bring back as many girls as I like without hotel employees even raising an eyebrow. This is much less the practice in Pat where many hotels have joiner fees and limits on the # of girls that can be brought up to a guest's room at any one time. True, these rules are not always enforced, but they are on the books in far too many Pattaya hotels and I find them onerous. In BKK, the only response I usually get is a smile from the front desk and an exaggerated salute from the security guys when I return with my girl (s). I usually stay in 4. Xx and above star hotels.
There is a never ending discussion of which town is better BKK or Pat. I prefer BKK for various reasons. But one point is beyond debate IMHO and that is that BKK massage parlors (oily & soapy) are overwhelmingly superior to any parlors on tap in Pattaya. There is no comparison, again IMHO, but I know I am 1000 % right on this one. 555.
I do like a couple of the Go Go's in Pattaya (Whats Up, Sensations, Sapphire) due to the quality of the girls that work there, but BKK has some great ones too like CH which I like even more. And then BKK has so much more in terms of clubs, discos, Gentlemen Clubs, ect, not to mention restaurants, shopping, and cultural places of interest.
But the main reason I prefer BKK over Pat is that I prefer the big city anonymity of BKK especially when I get away from lower Sukhumvit. Pattaya P4P, on the other hand, is more in your face all the time. Pattaya does have the ocean and I admit it is nice to catch that sea breeze while sitting on my balcony overlooking the bay at sunset.
I have similar feelings towards Manila vs AC although in this case its the big city that has the sea breezes. LOL. But, I love Makati girls and enjoy spending time with them in Manila and I am not a fan of AC. For me, AC is too much of a one horse town. Much more so than Pattaya. Thus I prefer Pat over AC by a wide margin. I am sure there are other points of view on this.
PerezPerez
05-11-16, 18:19
Reached around 9:15 pm, good lineup around 20 girls, most youngish compared to tulip. From Syz recent report on JJ from addict I made my mind to visit today. The description marched with real JJ however the moment I was going to call for her, I fall into the trap and mamasan convinced me to choose Messo saying she is fresh and good performer.
She is hound around 24, slim around 160 to 164 cms. But the ass was kind of flat and no boobs at all. The sex was very mechanical and almost no response on DATY, not even bothered to pretend LOL. But she was cooperative and followed my instructions, seems she can do better if guided and it was clear she was new (just 2 weeks) in this shop and trade as she mentioned. Her face is decent can be considered cute from my perspective.
Addict have a policy of 1 shot only no matter you choose 1,1.5 or 2 hrs and a second HJ or BJ. In my case I guided Messo to give me a good slow BBBJ yo finish second time. Will I repeat may be not.
Just returning from CH, it was exactly as I read on this forum specially many posts from Syz. There will considerable number of good lookers with decent to excellent figure, some covered their belly because of birth mark. Within them 95 had an amazing body according to my taste. 114 had good eye contact with me and smiled all the time while dancing on stage. Called her for a drink and had a small chat, came to know bar fine is 700 and St for her 2500 negotiated to 2000. My first time to CH and was there today from 7:30 till 8:30 pm. Plan to bar fine Pat 114 tomorrow. She was really friendly had a decent body and said is 24 with 1 kid. Any comments from Syz the CH specialist would be helpful.I chatted briefly with a guy who left shortly after 8. 30 PM today. Did not have a girl with him. Seated on the left not far inside the front door, with good view of the girls. Was it you by any chance?
My regular girls, some of them, arrived somewhat later after 9 PM. I was too slow to barfine either Jane (tiny tits) or Ging (big tits) as was waiting for Donut who did not show. LOL Ended up taking a fantastic session at Bongkot instead.
Wolvenvacht
05-11-16, 19:41
If you have not planned to spend at least one night in Bangkok I think it's better to take a taxi for Pattaya at the airport.One night in Bangkok, indeed: https://youtu.be/rgc_LRjlbTU.
PerezPerez
05-11-16, 19:45
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Reached around 9:15 pm, good lineup around 20 girls, most youngish compared to tulip. From Syz recent report on JJ from addict I made my mind to visit today. The description marched with real JJ however the moment I was going to call for her, I fall into the trap and mamasan convinced me to choose Messo saying she is fresh and good performer.
She is hound around 24, slim around 160 to 164 cms. But the ass was kind of flat and no boobs at all. The sex was very mechanical and almost no response on DATY, not even bothered to pretend LOL. But she was cooperative and followed my instructions, seems she can do better if guided and it was clear she was new (just 2 weeks) in this shop and trade as she mentioned. Her face is decent can be considered cute from my perspective.
Addict have a policy of 1 shot only no matter you choose 1,1.5 or 2 hrs and a second HJ or BJ. In my case I guided Messo to give me a good slow BBBJ yo finish second time. Will I repeat may be not.I think it is a trap to fall into taking mamasan recommended girl. Her motive is probably helping the girl more than helping you. She doesn't necessarily care if girl is mediocre or even bad, especially for non regular customers she does not know. I ignored mamasan's recommendation. See my previous report.
I have taken 3 different girls at Addict. Of the 3, only J. J. Really pushed my buttons, giving the right session for me. Doesn't mean she will be perfect for everyone. However I am sure can suit guys liking soft slow BBBJ and GFE type service if chemistry is right. Not stunning but cutish.
It is very difficult to see the figure of girls properly with their silly Air Hostess uniform, especially hard to see real size of girl's tits. I was satisfied with J. J. 's body. Not big tits but not too small either. No baby. Some girls have babies and tits can be a bit shrunken.
Addict has a huge number of girls. However very few are really stunning looking. Fancy makeup and uniform doesn't fool me. What I can say is very few girls are really fat and ugly. Overall standard is well above average. However, I want much more than just above average. So many girls have either nose jobs or silicone jobs or both which is a big problem for me and can narrow the field to just a few natural girls or girls with nose job not too obvious.
I do not know where you stay in BKK, ....I stayed in budget hotels both in Bangkok and in Pattaya. And in Bangkok I was told right away that I wasn't allowed to bring any women. In Pattaya, I had no problems like this. They didn't even ask me to pay anything extra.
Perhaps if you stay in expensive hotels, then the situation might be the reverse between Pattaya and Bangkok. I don't know one way or the other, because I haven't stayed in such hotels either in Pattaya or in Bangkok.
Which means that I should add to my recommendation of Pattaya that it's a good place to go to, when you are on a budget and you want to make your money last.
Clubs: Mixx, Spasso, Spicy, Levels (looking for the best nightspot for non-Thais like CIS, south Americans etc.).
Cheers,
ARaddictFor Non-Thais "High End is Spasso and Mixx. Middle is shock 39, bossy, Grace coffe shop and Rajah Hotel: Low End is Soi 3 Outside Grace Hotel.
Simple and easy.
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There is a never ending discussion of which town is better BKK or Pat. I prefer BKK for various reasons. But one point is beyond debate IMHO and that is that BKK massage parlors (oily & soapy) are overwhelmingly superior to any parlors on tap in Pattaya. There is no comparison, again IMHO, but I know I am 1000 % right on this one. 555.
I've gone to some massage parlors in Pattaya, and I've met some pretty good-looking women there.
One massage woman in Pattaya told me that she was from Bangkok. And I have to admit that she was pretty good in bed with me.
It makes sense for massage women to travel and meet new customers at various massage parlors, rather than just stay in one place. Because when the lady is new among mostly familiar women, then regular guys are more likely to be interested in her. It's a way for a lady to stay popular among guys, even when she has been in the business for a long time.
I don't think there is that much difference between massage parlors in Pattaya and Bangkok. Because some of those parlors are probably owned by the same people. And massage women travel back and forth between Bangkok and Pattaya.
I stayed in budget hotels both in Bangkok and in Pattaya. And in Bangkok I was told right away that I wasn't allowed to bring any women. In Pattaya, I had no problems like this. They didn't even ask me to pay anything extra.
Perhaps if you stay in expensive hotels, then the situation might be the reverse between Pattaya and Bangkok. I don't know one way or the other, because I haven't stayed in such hotels either in Pattaya or in Bangkok.
Which means that I should add to my recommendation of Pattaya that it's a good place to go to, when you are on a budget and you want to make your money last.Dan,
Perhaps you should state the price, so we understand what budget means to you. I never had a problem in my "budget" hotels, like Mermaid.
Perhaps you refer to Hotels under 1 K? Or maybe you could name such a Hotel.
The only family Hotel I ever stayed in that frowned upon girls was "Bangkok Palace" in Makkasan (many years ago), that I recall. Perhaps Taipan was also difficult about girls. Too long ago to remember clearly, and maybe I did not stay there (or just 1 night). I don't even recall any problem at Convient Park, Bang Chak, which was 800 Baht per night, I believe.
Dan,
Perhaps you should state the price, so we understand what budget means to you. I never had a problem in my "budget" hotels, like Mermaid.
Perhaps you refer to Hotels under 1 K? Or maybe you could name such a Hotel.
The only family Hotel I ever stayed in that frowned upon girls was "Bangkok Palace" in Makkasan (many years ago), that I recall. Perhaps Taipan was also difficult about girls. Too long ago to remember clearly, and maybe I did not stay there (or just 1 night). I don't even recall any problem at Convient Park, Bang Chak, which was 800 Baht per night, I believe.This incident, where I was told that I couldn't bring any women to my hotel room, was a few years ago. I don't remember the name of the hotel anymore. Because I left it as soon as I could, after one night. And the price was 500 B.
I think it's a well-known fact that some hotels in Bangkok don't look kindly on you bringing women with you. Some charge extra money for guests. But others, as was in my case, don't allow it at all. That's why you can find on the Internet lists of 'Guest-friendly hotels in Bangkok'.
Here are some websites that list guest-friendly hotels in Bangkok:
http://www.guestfriendlyhotel.com/guest-friendly-hotel-bangkok/
http://www.bargirlfriendlyhotels.com/bangkok-girl-friendly-hotels/
http://bangkokredeye.com/bar-girl-friendly-hotels.html
I can't say from my personal experience whether hotels are better for guests in Bangkok or Pattaya, because I've stayed only at a few hotels. There are hundreds if not thousands of hotels, and there is no way one person can personally know about most of them.
Christian G
05-13-16, 12:31
This incident, where I was told that I couldn't bring any women to my hotel room, was a few years ago. I don't remember the name of the hotel anymore. Because I left it as soon as I could, after one night. And the price was 500 B.
I think it's a well-known fact that some hotels in Bangkok don't look kindly on you bringing women with you. Some charge extra money for guests. But others, as was in my case, don't allow it at all. That's why you can find on the Internet lists of 'Guest-friendly hotels in Bangkok'.
Here are some websites that list guest-friendly hotels in Bangkok:
http://www.guestfriendlyhotel.com/guest-friendly-hotel-bangkok/
http://www.bargirlfriendlyhotels.com/bangkok-girl-friendly-hotels/
http://bangkokredeye.com/bar-girl-friendly-hotels.html
I can't say from my personal experience whether hotels are better for guests in Bangkok or Pattaya, because I've stayed only at a few hotels. There are hundreds if not thousands of hotels, and there is no way one person can personally know about most of them.You can find the same list for hotel in Pattaya too. When I'm in BKK, I always stay in hotel around Nana and Asoke, range price 800-2000 baht and I never had any problem to bring guest back in room. Salil Hotel soi11 also don't charge extra fee if you bring back 2 guest for a threesome.
You can find the same list for hotel in Pattaya too. When I'm in BKK, I always stay in hotel around Nana and Asoke, range price 800-2000 baht and I never had any problem to bring guest back in room. Salil Hotel soi11 also don't charge extra fee if you bring back 2 guest for a threesome.Perhaps hotels inside red-light-district areas are guest friendly in both Bangkok and Pattaya. But it's easier to find such hotels in Pattaya, because the whole central area of Pattaya is a one huge red-light-district. This is where you naturally end up, when you come to Pattaya. You don't even need to look for it. And it's saturated with hotels.
PerezPerez
05-13-16, 18:37
After reading some posts about BIWA entertainment on some blogs thought to try this time, which is out of the entertainment zone (nether shukumvit nor Rama 9 not Petchburi. It's at 15, New Petchaburi Road Rd. , Huai Khwang, Huai Khwang, Bangkok 10310 Thailand. You can either take airport rail link to ramkamhang station then walk around 500 mts or just take a taxi. But it was not as I planned, when I reached there the time was 8 pm and seems most are elder women and not attractive. After speaking to the papasan in Thai he explained that here mostly elder patrons visit who are local. The price is cheap if you speak Thai (1000 and 1300), butt they we're not up to my taste and after finishing the beer I left.
Just opposite was Nancy and after getting there I was surprised by the quality, similar to Natalee or Amsterdam or Emmanuele. Prices 1900 and 2200. Caution you should speak some Thai if you come here or you prices may differ and the service quality too. It seems like a place for the local veterans. I took n82 recommended by papasan as he guaranteed money return. It was worth. Great body, great service, great attitude. Slim, slender and jot looks. Good slow and sloppy BBBJ, various positions and complied to most requests. 2 shots. Overall great experience compared to others mainstream places. She also recommended no:80,20 and 95. It's difficult to find but once you have been there you will fee the worth. Please not if you can't speak some basic that this place not for you.
Eric Cartman
05-13-16, 23:48
Thursday I had lunch at Old Peak Road in the Emporium mall, the Emquartier section which has the food court that spirals down from floors 6 to 4. It's a Chinese / HK style places with decent roast duck noodle. Then I did some work at True Coffee on the 2nd floor before hustling over the Analisa for my 1. 30 pm booking with Peachy.
I had booked it during my visit the day before. When I made the booking, in person, the receptionist asked for a 50% deposit. I thought that was a bit odd -- I asked her, if I had made the booking by phone, you wouldn't ask for a deposit, right? She relented. I still gave it to her as I was certain I'd be back.
I told Peachy I wanted to cum 2 x in 90 minutes. I'd opted for the prostate massage with toys and strap-on. I think the 90 min cost was 2100 baht? Maybe it was 1900. Sorry.
She did a nice job, teasing me and doing some impressive ball-rubbing, butthole fingering, and HJ-milking action. I came humping her hand on the table, so that was something. Then she brought out the big guns. At least they felt big. I kept my eyes closed most of the time, but she's a cute girl so I did watch her roger me a little. Fun times. Good thing they have a decent shower The 2nd coming (as it were) was difficult as I think as Little Cartman was pretty thoroughly drained by that point after the past 24 hrs, but he got it done.
Then it was off to a real 1 HR Thai massage, and a quick 2 pints with a stogie at Craft / Whisgars on Soi 23 before heading back to the Grand Swiss. They let me take a shower in an open (not booked) guest room, which was nice. Then I grabbed my bags and headed off to the airport.
This incident, where I was told that I couldn't bring any women to my hotel room, was a few years ago. I don't remember the name of the hotel anymore. Because I left it as soon as I could, after one night. And the price was 500 B.
I think it's a well-known fact that some hotels in Bangkok don't look kindly on you bringing women with you. Some charge extra money for guests. But others, as was in my case, don't allow it at all. That's why you can find on the Internet lists of 'Guest-friendly hotels in Bangkok'.
Here are some websites that list guest-friendly hotels in Bangkok:
http://www.guestfriendlyhotel.com/guest-friendly-hotel-bangkok/
http://www.bargirlfriendlyhotels.com/bangkok-girl-friendly-hotels/
http://bangkokredeye.com/bar-girl-friendly-hotels.html
I can't say from my personal experience whether hotels are better for guests in Bangkok or Pattaya, because I've stayed only at a few hotels. There are hundreds if not thousands of hotels, and there is no way one person can personally know about most of them.Thanks for the links. Usually the lists on websites indicate a number of guest-friendly hotels, but do not specify hotels that are confirmed not guest friendly (leaving the hotels not on the guest-friendly lists as ambiguous). It would be helpful to also have a list of hotels that are confirmed as not guest friendly so that they could be eliminated as possibilities without having to inquire about them. Does anyone know of any such list of confirmed non-guest friendly hotels on the internet anywhere?
FirstHolliday
05-14-16, 02:45
Have only one change this holiday, can you please get me a name at.
Snowwhite, Mango, Cherry or any other multi shot.
Look for, very active, DT, slim, small ass.
Want to get there at 12 today.
Will buy the winner a beer tonight.
After reading some posts about BIWA entertainment on some blogs thought to try this time, which is out of the entertainment zone (nether shukumvit nor Rama 9 not Petchburi. It's at 15, New Petchaburi Road Rd. , Huai Khwang, Huai Khwang, Bangkok 10310 Thailand. You can either take airport rail link to ramkamhang station then walk around 500 mts or just take a taxi. But it was not as I planned, when I reached there the time was 8 pm and seems most are elder women and not attractive. After speaking to the papasan in Thai he explained that here mostly elder patrons visit who are local. The price is cheap if you speak Thai (1000 and 1300), butt they we're not up to my taste and after finishing the beer I left.
Just opposite was Nancy and after getting there I was surprised by the quality, similar to Natalee or Amsterdam or Emmanuele. Prices 1900 and 2200. Caution you should speak some Thai if you come here or you prices may differ and the service quality too. It seems like a place for the local veterans. I took n82 recommended by papasan as he guaranteed money return. It was worth. Great body, great service, great attitude. Slim, slender and jot looks. Good slow and sloppy BBBJ, various positions and complied to most requests. 2 shots. Overall great experience compared to others mainstream places. She also recommended no:80,20 and 95. It's difficult to find but once you have been there you will fee the worth. Please not if you can't speak some basic that this place not for you.That's the spirit Perez find a new place and then post a FR on it, it gets boring fucking same or new pussy in the same old places we have to explore new pussy heavens and then let our fellow brethren to enjoy the same place and pump them up to look for new places for us to enjoy and experience.
Keep up the good work man the hunt for pussy should never stop as the hunt for gold never stopped.
Chill and cheers.
Alex
After reading some posts about BIWA entertainment on some blogs thought to try this time, which is out of the entertainment zone (nether shukumvit nor Rama 9 not Petchburi. It's at 15, New Petchaburi Road Rd. , Huai Khwang, Huai Khwang, Bangkok 10310 Thailand. You can either take airport rail link to ramkamhang station then walk around 500 mts or just take a taxi. But it was not as I planned, when I reached there the time was 8 pm and seems most are elder women and not attractive. After speaking to the papasan in Thai he explained that here mostly elder patrons visit who are local. The price is cheap if you speak Thai (1000 and 1300), butt they we're not up to my taste and after finishing the beer I left.
Just opposite was Nancy and after getting there I was surprised by the quality, similar to Natalee or Amsterdam or Emmanuele. Prices 1900 and 2200. Caution you should speak some Thai if you come here or you prices may differ and the service quality too. It seems like a place for the local veterans. I took n82 recommended by papasan as he guaranteed money return. It was worth. Great body, great service, great attitude. Slim, slender and jot looks. Good slow and sloppy BBBJ, various positions and complied to most requests. 2 shots. Overall great experience compared to others mainstream places. She also recommended no:80,20 and 95. It's difficult to find but once you have been there you will fee the worth. Please not if you can't speak some basic that this place not for you.I agree that BIWA has girls cheap but pretty low quality. Problems with girl age, figure and just not pretty enough for me. I never picked a girl there. Mostly for Thai customers with not much to spend. I prefer much more classy places, generally but have to deal with huge numbers of girls with nose and tit jobs as a penalty.
Nancy is a bit better. I have taken a girl from there on occasion, although I still found the choice rather difficult. I think it's a slight exaggeration though to compare the looks of Nancy girls with Nataree or Amsterdam. Perhaps a lower proportion will have nose jobs though compared to Amsterdam. Amsterdam is definitely significantly more expensive. The number of girls available in the line up at one time wasn't really high at Nancy when I went there, so if guys are really happy with Nataree (and I am not), then stick to Nataree. If not happy with skill levels and experience of girls at Nataree in general (that is me), or want pay even less, Nancy might be worth a try. Have to sit patiently though to wait for many girls to come out to the seating areas. The advantage of Nataree is the huge line up of girls available.
I used to have a favourite girl at Amsterdam, from Chiang Rai, tall, light skinned, good waist to thigh ratio (curvy), and very pretty face all natural. Since she left I have become very infrequent to Amsterdam. Just not finding any amazing girl all natural to keep me coming back. Need to try Nataree again, and I think be prepared to take a long time to choose someone there. I don't really care which soapy I go to. It's just a question of finding a special girl or two. Intend to try Darling again too, after noticed the standard of looks there has gone up a lot, since former years.
At many Soapies, I find younger girls are more used to Thai and other East Asian customers, and seem to be rather dick scared, and expecting guys to finish quickly. Great GFEs with girls that really like to fuck become less and less frequent. Surgeries become more and more frequent. I did far better many years ago at Chao Praya 2, which was my main Soapy for a long time. Very low on surgeries back then. Unfortunately it declined badly.
PerezPerez
05-14-16, 04:52
I agree that BIWA has girls cheap but pretty low quality. Problems with girl age, figure and just not pretty enough for me. I never picked a girl there. Mostly for Thai customers with not much to spend. I prefer much more classy places, generally but have to deal with huge numbers of girls with nose and tit jobs as a penalty.
Nancy is a bit better. I have taken a girl from there on occasion, although I still found the choice rather difficult. I think it's a slight exaggeration though to compare the looks of Nancy girls with Nataree or Amsterdam. Perhaps a lower proportion will have nose jobs though compared to Amsterdam. Amsterdam is definitely significantly more expensive. The number of girls available in the line up at one time wasn't really high at Nancy when I went there, so if guys are really happy with Nataree (and I am not), then stick to Nataree. If not happy with skill levels and experience of girls at Nataree in general (that is me), or want pay even less, Nancy might be worth a try. Have to sit patiently though to wait for many girls to come out to the seating areas. The advantage of Nataree is the huge line up of girls available.Yes, exactly Syz. BIWA looks like the low end soapy I have ever seen in BKK . However the patrons sitting there seemed like the "siya" or the elder age boss style people. The age range can be from 30 up to may be 45. There were 4 to 5 decent looking young girls but all occupied with other patrons (the regulars). I won't recommend this place for visitors of fellow mongers, as its totally localized and difficult to locate. However on the other hand, Nancy was much better in comparison to price vs service vs attitude to the other main stream places. I have been several soapies around Rama 9, Petchburi, and all around BKK (too many can't recall all) if I compare I can recommend Nancy as what you get on that price range (1900 or 2200). The best this about this place I likes is not that foreigner kind of treatment, and no pushing or heckling. Both the papasan and the girl were friendly, respectful. Completely local environment and made me feel as I am one of the locals (language is important). Most important the lady recommended was exactly my type, slim tall, sharp nose, visible jaws (enhanced boobs) but seemed OK. She was always ready to please, and kept acting like one of mia noi LOL. Great response to DATY (came while DATY), se x in various positions and complied to some small fantasies too.
Be aware there is no sign of Nancy in English what so ever. You need to reach BIWA following the maps here https://www.google.co.th/maps/place/Biwa+Entertainment / at 13.7422133,100.5952952,17 z / data=!4 m12!1 m6!3 m5!1 s0 x30 e29 e4543 bd58 d7:0 xcddb3 fb5 b9 c0603!2 sBiwa+Entertainment!8 m2!3 d13.7422133!4 d100.5974839!3 m4!1 s0 x30 e29 e4543 bd58 d7:0 xcddb3 fb5 b9 c0603!8 m2!3 d13.7422133!4 d100.5974839 and Nancy is just opposite to it (across the road).
PerezPerez
05-14-16, 04:59
While returning from Nancy, got off at Soi-23 in front of CH. Entering around 11 pm saw a huge crowd (mix of western and east Asian punters) all age groups from 25 till 65. Friday night and high time, hardly any place to sit, somehow managed to get a stool near to the stage. Lots of talents today. Pussies all around in different shapes, sizes and color.
No-144 - A pussy to die for with a slim landing strip. No:39 what a damn figure and a hot sexy face, perky tits (looked natural) and perky ass. No:136 - I have serious doubt about her legal age. There were 1 or 2 others which I doubt might not be of legal age. 11:30 pm they started the show upstairs, with oil all around girls on girs, licking bashing etc. Then came the foam continued for another 30 minutes or so then done. The dance kept going as usual, some really great bodies to admire. Left around 12:40 happily with 2 beers down.
Be aware there is no sign of Nancy in English what so ever. A Google Maps pic of Nancy building and signage.
https://goo.gl/maps/VcqSY864Sd72
While returning from Nancy, got off at Soi-23 in front of CH. Entering around 11 pm saw a huge crowd (mix of western and east Asian punters) all age groups from 25 till 65. Friday night and high time, hardly any place to sit, somehow managed to get a stool near to the stage. Lots of talents today. Pussies all around in different shapes, sizes and color.
I thought the Friday line up was a bit weak, partly due to most of my favourites missing. Not up to standard of previous Friday. I left well before 11 PM, bored and with no girl. Would have been different if Donut, Jane, Ging, or Oom had showed up.
Naam (one of the Naams) has returned with big tit job 400 gm each side I believe, which is too much. She is still bandaged up so only doing clothed PR work. Has braces on teeth as well. Once was one of the prettier girls, but I wasn't interested in her any longer anyway. She is more for the Korean customers.
It's better to show up at 9:00 to get a good seat easily.
Is Nataree closed on weekends? (according to google map). Was about to head over.
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