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Anyone knows if Nana and Apple are still working at SW?
Has anyone been to 101 Premier lately, it used to be very busy, is it still?
If anyone been and mention some good selections please post name.
There is a great quite but hot girl there by name if Rose, she a "secret" girl (no photo on website).
Anyone had a go with her lately?
I think she a makeup cosmetics girl as other part time job. Bolt on's but they look good on her petite frame.
Had an OK session with Angie lately. Room is clean. 4 pm, one customer was waiting, not busy at all.
Has anyone been to 101 Premier lately, it used to be very busy, is it still?
If anyone been and mention some good selections please post name.
There is a great quite but hot girl there by name if Rose, she a "secret" girl (no photo on website).
Anyone had a go with her lately?
I think she a makeup cosmetics girl as other part time job. Bolt on's but they look good on her petite frame.
Has anyone been to 101 Premier lately, it used to be very busy, is it still?
If anyone been and mention some good selections please post name.
There is a great quite but hot girl there by name if Rose, she a "secret" girl (no photo on website).
Anyone had a go with her lately?
I think she a makeup cosmetics girl as other part time job. Bolt on's but they look good on her petite frame.I think I have. The description sounds familiar but the name doesn't. Did she want a tip for butt fucking? Long brownish-blonde hair?
Anyone knows if Nana and Apple are still working at SW?Nana is still there.
I think I have. The description sounds familiar but the name doesn't. Did she want a tip for butt fucking? Long brownish-blonde hair?Nah that's not her, she has black longish black hair.
Never asked her for anal but pretty sure she would refuse cause she so petite, I know her pussy super tight so her arse be even more! Her bolt on are not massive but firm and round, great for her body.
She speaks very good english, nice make up (she is a cosmetics store girl), very sweet and only talks when she is comfortable with you.
She is there most days and till closing time.
Check her out if you there next but don't expect PSE.
Nana is still there.Looks like a nice rack. Hope she can accommodate me in near future.
I never been to Lord but keep reading good stuff about it.
Can anyone tell me what time it opens and closes? I can only attend after midnight but is it worth going then?
Also the prices start from 4000 but the better girls (more model looking) are from 6000 up and the sessions all go for 2 hours?
Finally, in your opinion (your personal tastes) if you only had 12 hours and 10,000 baht, best spend it on 2 Lord girls (5 k each) or 4 girls at 4 different shops at soi 24 oily (2. 5 k ea)?
I am thinking the 4 girls in 12 hours at 4 different shops, diversify your investment / decrease your chances of getting a starfish?
If it was discussed before I missed it. How do the Lords girls compare to the top tier gogo girls in Pattaya? Which are hotter?
Looks like a nice rack. Hope she can accommodate me in near future.She's far older than in the pics. Pics have to be from over 10 years ago; at least.
Roaming Viking
12-09-17, 20:52
Thanks for the update o Emmy. I will be sure to try her when I visit later this month. In the past I have also tried Audi. She is really sweet and offers excellent service, no holes bared and CIM.
I'd appreciate any update on Kasalong and L*.
Cheers!
Been to Snow White last Monday around 4 pm and choose Emmy. Nice girl, white skin, no baby damage, good body.
1 HR - 1900 baht, very good service, DFK, BBBJ-DT, rimjob, great A+ service, finish with CIM.
Highly recommended.
Grandaddy Perp
12-10-17, 06:49
If it was discussed before I missed it. How do the Lords girls compare to the top tier gogo girls in Pattaya? Which are hotter?Its too different experiences and both can be special depending on how you look at.
To start, IMOP, there is no comparison between top Lord girls and top Pattaya bar girls at least in the looks department. Some of the more 'exclusive' lord girls have been in men's magazines like Maxim and FHM. They are pin-up models. They will also give you a much more 'pampered' level of service depending on how you approach them and the service you choose to go with. Whenever I've taken the exclusive girls, its been part of an extended party service with a few other guys and girls so you get the high end escort service that isn't offered if you just do a quick ST session.
Top agogo girls can also be extremely 'hot' but in a different way. While I don't find them to be as 'sophisticated' as Lord girls, that can sometimes be a good thing if I want to just party with a lady and for her to just let it all out there. Grabbing a top level agogo girl in Patts and taking her to the club and have her grind and DFK me on the dance floor is great too. She may not have perfect white skin and teeth like the Lord girl but she can be just as hot in many other ways.
The only thing that I would say can be a major difference is that there aren't that many truly top tier ladies in Patts agogos these days. I actually think you'll find hotter ladies FLing on the net and in the clubs. You'll also have to deal with the attitudes that some guys seemingly experience. With the soapies, its much more straight forward and there is a better pool of hotties to choose from and the service will typically be a bit more straightforward.
NicFrenchy
12-10-17, 14:08
I think it's normal for some ladies to start losing their interest in you, after you spend some time in the lobby looking at all the ladies.
Because it's not only you who is picking a lady. The ladies are also picking guys in their own way.
When you look at all the ladies, then you naturally look at some ladies longer than at others. Which gives them all a clue which ladies you are interested in. Then one of the ladies, that you are interested in, starts making a lot of eye-contact with you. While the other ladies either look away or show less interest in you. And that's what makes you pick your lady and go with her.
When you have too many choices, then it can be so hard to decide, that you might not decide at all. You might walk out of the door to think about it some more.
The ladies know this from their experience. And that's why they cooperate with each other to decrease your choice enough for you to pick one of them. They stop competing with each other for your attention, when they see that you are interested in one of them more than in others.Said like a true professional. So true and every soapy customer should read and they will start to understand girls behavior in the fishbowl better.
I was picturing myself looking at the fishbowl for a second here like I was home.
Its too different experiences and both can be special depending on how you look at.
To start, IMOP, there is no comparison between top Lord girls and top Pattaya bar girls at least in the looks department. Some of the more 'exclusive' lord girls have been in men's magazines like Maxim and FHM. They are pin-up models. They will also give you a much more 'pampered' level of service depending on how you approach them and the service you choose to go with. Whenever I've taken the exclusive girls, its been part of an extended party service with a few other guys and girls so you get the high end escort service that isn't offered if you just do a quick ST session.
Top agogo girls can also be extremely 'hot' but in a different way. While I don't find them to be as 'sophisticated' as Lord girls, that can sometimes be a good thing if I want to just party with a lady and for her to just let it all out there. Grabbing a top level agogo girl in Patts and taking her to the club and have her grind and DFK me on the dance floor is great too. She may not have perfect white skin and teeth like the Lord girl but she can be just as hot in many other ways.
The only thing that I would say can be a major difference is that there aren't that many truly top tier ladies in Patts agogos these days. I actually think you'll find hotter ladies FLing on the net and in the clubs. You'll also have to deal with the attitudes that some guys seemingly experience. With the soapies, its much more straight forward and there is a better pool of hotties to choose from and the service will typically be a bit more straightforward.Thanks for this great response. The Lord seems to be a good substitute for my 2015 favorite, Nataree. Will be there in 2018.
UShobbyist
12-10-17, 23:26
Finally, in your opinion (your personal tastes) if you only had 12 hours and 10,000 baht, best spend it on 2 Lord girls (5 k each) or 4 girls at 4 different shops at soi 24 oily (2. 5 k ea)?
I am thinking the 4 girls in 12 hours at 4 different shops, diversify your investment / decrease your chances of getting a starfish?IMHO, you have only one choice. You can get 4 girls from 4 different massage parlors at soi 24 or soi 24 1/2 or Soi 26 (Snow White) for 10000 THB or less. You can not get 2 Lord girls for 5000 THB each.
Member #4698
12-11-17, 00:18
Thanks for this great response. The Lord seems to be a good substitute for my 2015 favorite, Nataree. Will be there in 2018.The Lord may be a good substitute for Nataree, but it is not a like substitute. The Lord is a very different kind of place compared to Nataree. So, if you are seeking something similar to the Nataree girl experience then I suggest you go to Addicts Massage (or some other oily parlor in the same area), take a nice-looking girl that you like out their lineup, select a room with a bathtub and a 90-minute massage. The number of Addict girls in their lineup will not be anywhere close to the number of girls on site in Nataree at any given hour, but the overall in-room session will be very similar and the quality of Addict girls are roughly on par with the quality of Nataree girls as well.
The Lord, on the other hand, is one or two steps up in class from Nataree even though there are far less girls to choose from and Lord girls for the most part are in their mid to late 20's. But the step up in class is due to having sex with better trained, better managed, more enthusiastic, carnally knowledgeable girls in a highly upgraded room albeit at a significantly higher price. I have had good times in all 3 bordellos. I like the youthful and relatively straight forward sex I have experienced in both Nataree and Addicts. But I also really like the almost Macau Sauna type service provided in the Lord. Where I go on any particular day depends on what I am in the mood for. That's what is so good about BKK.
and the quality of Addict girls are roughly on par with the quality of Nataree girls as well.
I don't think Addict is at all comparable to Nataree. The latter had young northern girls with no babies whereas the former has mostly milfs from Isaan.
I made numerous visits to Nataree in my trip to Bangkok in 2015, it was by far my favorite place in Bangkok, they were superior in quality as well as quantity. In all my visits I never saw any teenaged girls that they were reportedly closed for. I did see and session with young providers but they were in their early 20's. One of the chicks I sessioned was one of my all time best sessions in terms of looks and service such that I went to an ATM and returned to give her a bigger tip after the session. I remember her name even today, it was Sugar, a Thai born in Myanmar. I place a lot of emphasis on looks and will visit the Lord in my visit to Bangkok next year and will try Addicts as well.
AlphaPunk2
12-11-17, 16:40
I never been to Lord but keep reading good stuff about it.
Can anyone tell me what time it opens and closes? I can only attend after midnight but is it worth going then?
Also the prices start from 4000 but the better girls (more model looking) are from 6000 up and the sessions all go for 2 hours?
Finally, in your opinion (your personal tastes) if you only had 12 hours and 10,000 baht, best spend it on 2 Lord girls (5 k each) or 4 girls at 4 different shops at soi 24 oily (2. 5 k ea)?
I am thinking the 4 girls in 12 hours at 4 different shops, diversify your investment / decrease your chances of getting a starfish?The Lord opens at 12 pm and closes at midnight. Don't bother going at 12 pm, there's hardly anyone there at that time. Best to go at 3 pm.
I don't remember how long the session lasts, I think it's either 1.5 h or 2 h. Yes the prices are as what you mentioned but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For all you know the 4000 baht girl could be the sexiest / prettiest one to you.
You mentioned you can only go after midnight? There are hardly any massage parlours that are open at that time. I do know a few places that stay open till 5 am but you need a car to get there. If you're going to be taking a taxi it'll be difficult to direct the driver if you don't speak Thai well.
Personally I pick quality over quantity. There are 10/10 girls that cost 5,500-7,000 baht for 1.5 h that I occasionally splurge on (but they are hard to find in the first place so luck also plays a part).
I can see there's a bit of a Lord love-in at the moment but it needs to be pointed out that due to their racist pricing policies, if you spend 4000 baht you're getting a girl whose true value is only 3000.
What do you mean? Is there is a premium added on to the tab for non-asians?
I can see there's a bit of a Lord love-in at the moment but it needs to be pointed out that due to their racist pricing policies, if you spend 4000 baht you're getting a girl whose true value is only 3000.
What do you mean? Is there is a premium added on to the tab for non-asians?Yes, East Asians get one price and savages like us have to pay a surcharge. There's no way I'm ever patronising a place that treats people like that.
Yes, East Asians get one price and savages like us have to pay a surcharge. There's no way I'm ever patronising a place that treats people like that.As some additional support for this, I have conducted two "experiments" to confirm what I already knew, i.e., many of the soapies charge a farang surcharge.
Most recently, I went to some of the soapies near the now-defunct Nataree with a Thai friend. He did not believe me when I told him about the farang surcharge. So at each soapie we visited he asked in Thai the mama or papa-san whether they charged farangs extra. Each did not hesitate to say they did even though I was sitting in front of them and they pretty much knew my Thai friend would then tell me. The surcharges were in the range 500 to 1,000 baht depending on the establishment. In fact, at one of the places the mama-san showed my friend a price list that showed the Thai and farang prices for each level of girl.
Not so recently, a Singaporean friend of mine who could speak Thai went with me to some soapies. We decided to enter separately and then compare the prices we were quoted. At most of the soapies he was quoted a lower price than I was.
Another interesting thing is I once visited a soapy across the river that had a sign stating that they did not charge farangs extra unlike some of the other establishments. I believe that particular soapy was related to CPII (if I remember the name correctly), which also did not charge a surcharge. But not charging a surcharge is the exception rather than the rule, at least with regard to soapies frequented largely by Thais or maybe other Asians. Some of the exceptions seem to be budget soapies, such as Avita (or Evita) and Meree (maybe now has a new name) where I was reasonably confident the prices I paid did not include a surcharge; it is possible things have since changed there, but I kind of doubt it.
I avoid places with farang surcharges as they rub me the wrong way.
Some of the exceptions seem to be budget soapies, such as Avita (or Evita) and Meree (maybe now has a new name) where I was reasonably confident the prices I paid did not include a surcharge; it is possible things have since changed there, but I kind of doubt it.
I avoid places with farang surcharges as they rub me the wrong way.Ocean is probably the best option at the moment for a soapy with no surcharge.
Grandaddy Perp
12-12-17, 12:47
Yes, East Asians get one price and savages like us have to pay a surcharge. There's no way I'm ever patronising a place that treats people like that.Savages may be the correct reason as to why they do this.
I've discussed this topic at length with a friend who is a partner in one of these venues and he told me that the reason why there is an extra charge is that farangs often do the following:
Try and strong arm the girls into providing services that they don't typically provide.
Try to push for more pops than what other non-farang customers ask for.
Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.
So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.
AlphaPunk2
12-12-17, 13:08
I've had this conversation with the staff at some of these places before. The higher prices charged to farangs is not because the management wants to be taking advantage / discriminatory against you. It's because the girls generally do not like farangs and will need motivation (I. E. Higher pay) to accept them as a customer. I frequent these places often before and after I'm done with my session. Just sitting down and chatting with the staff while watching the girls / customers walk in and out. I have seen outright refusal by some girls to accept farangs / Indians no matter how much more money the staff offered to quote the customer.
Undercoverh
12-12-17, 13:27
Ocean is probably the best option at the moment for a soapy with no surcharge.After being in Bangkok for so long, I stopped worrying about surcharges and simply avoid these types of massage parlors. Just head over to the palours on soi 24 and soi 24/1 that have tons of girls and the prices are way cheaper than any massage parlor in Bangkok. And some of the girls are hot. Take your time and walk around that entire location and you'll see girl sitting out begging you to bang them. And the prices are 40% cheaper than what you would pay in a soapy massage parlor.
In fact, these places don't even accept Thai guys, they only want foreigners and the price is the same for everyone. When I was in Korat a couple months ago I was happy to go to the massage parlor with my friend who lives there. The massage parlors there charged one price for everyone and the girls look a whole lot better than the Bangkok girl MP. I am not sure why there is any interest left in the massage parlors in Bangkok, it's not what it used to be 15 or even 10 years ago. Back then, you can get some really hot looking girls who were from the farm and happy to have sex with the Foreigner and provide a good level of service. Nowadays, the girls in the massage parlors tend to be older and unattractive and then they just go through the motions. I think the reality is is that most Thsi girls don't want to work that hard in massage soapy place. They were they rather work as a freelancer, or in a go-go bar, are on soi 24, soi 33, or soi 24/1.
My advice, and avoid going all over town trying to find a massage parlor and just head over to Soi 24/1 and soy 24, and soi 33. Or, take a bus one day to Korat where there are tons of massage parlors and young girls who are hot and the price is the same at most massage parlors for all customers. The glamour of Bangkok massage parlors, in my opinion has played out long time ago.
I don't think Addict is at all comparable to Nataree. The latter had young northern girls with no babies whereas the former has mostly milfs from Isaan.Milfs in Thailand seem to stretch the definition a bit as many have kids at a young age. For me in Europe a MILF would be in her 30's and probably later 30's. A girlfriend in Thailand has a kid of 17, she is 37 and my kind of MILF.
Last week in Addict (my first visits to the location) they may have been milfs, but they were young milfs. All of the girls in the line-up of more than 20 girls on a Saturday afternoon appeared to be well under 30 years.
The girl I chose was 26 and although a mother of a 5 year old (so a MILF obviously as I chose to fuck her) she was a delight.
Savages may be the correct reason as to why they do this.
I've discussed this topic at length with a friend who is a partner in one of these venues and he told me that the reason why there is an extra charge is that farangs often do the following:
Try and strong arm the girls into providing services that they don't typically provide.
Try to push for more pops than what other non-farang customers ask for.
Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.
So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.Uh, well that is one way of looking at it. The other is that we actually like sex and expect the gal to at least act like she does and are not there to claim a trophy so we can tell our friends we paid x amount to have sex with a pretty girl, even though she was a bit of a starfish. Fair share? If expecting a gal to provide either a PSE or a GFE and at least two pops for a session that many are paying well in excess of 100 USD for in a country where the minimum wage is less than 10 USD a day and the majority of degreed persons make well less than 3 k USD per month is more than our "fair share," then most non-Farangs must have pretty low expectations of what a "fair share" is. Sorry, when you are paying top dollar, you should get quite a bit more than a lazy gal that is looking to get away with as little as she can and a management that allows it. For the most part performance standards have decreased as prices have increased. Go figure. Well, I place the blame squarely on the Asian punter who does not make demands but settles for what he gets. Has had a terrible effect on the P4 P scene in Thailand in general.
I've had this conversation with the staff at some of these places before. The higher prices charged to farangs is not because the management wants to be taking advantage / discriminatory against you. It's because the girls generally do not like farangs and will need motivation (I. E. Higher pay) to accept them as a customer. I frequent these places often before and after I'm done with my session. Just sitting down and chatting with the staff while watching the girls / customers walk in and out. I have seen outright refusal by some girls to accept farangs / Indians no matter how much more money the staff offered to quote the customer.
Savages may be the correct reason as to why they do this.
I've discussed this topic at length with a friend who is a partner in one of these venues and he told me that the reason why there is an extra charge is that farangs often do the following:
Try and strong arm the girls into providing services that they don't typically provide.
Try to push for more pops than what other non-farang customers ask for.
Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.
So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.It's a bit naive to think the welfare of the girls is of much interest to the management. I'm sure they put up with some pretty bad shit from Asian customers too. It's all about racist attitudes and fleecing the customer.
Christian G
12-12-17, 18:39
The higher prices charged to farangs is not because the management wants to be taking advantage / discriminatory against you. It's because the girls generally do not like farangs and will need motivation (I. E. Higher pay) to accept them as a customer.Not discriminatory against farang!? LOL funny. In my house it's called racism. Anyway I don't see any reason to come to this places and pay more for a girl that don't want to fuck with farang. Many other options in Bangkok.
Member #4698
12-12-17, 19:58
Not discriminatory against farang!? LOL funny. In my house it's called racism. Anyway I don't see any reason to come to this places and pay more for a girl that don't want to fuck with farang. Many other options in Bangkok.I disagree with the premise AlphaPunk2 put forward ie that soapy girls do not want farang customers. When I walk into the Lord or La Belle, most of the girls appear to be very happy to see me and more than willing to be selected by yours truly including the best-looking girls in the place. But, the farang tax is most definitely a discriminatory charge. So, if that bothers you, then skip the soapies. Except for the added expense, it doesn't really bother me much because I am always treated very well in all other respects in these high end soapies by management and the staff and because, in the case of the Lord, I always get the desirable girl I want who treats me way better than good in the loom.
What bothers me far more is the palpable anti-white discriminatory environment going on in a few Pattaya Go Go's like Baccara Walking Street or some Korean owned bars in AC where the top girls absolutely refuse to barfine Caucasians or even look their way. I hate these joints. I won't even buy a diet coke in such bars anymore, let alone seek out that kind of NE Asian only focused girl. In the case of the AC Korean owned bars, it is a key part of the managment's business plan not to service Westerners. May the ungrateful racists all go bankrupt and rot. I laugh out loud thinking where South Korea would be right now without the USA backing their play.
Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.
So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.Well call me savage. Fore and after play is for a girlfriend / wife. The providers are to wash me and then we have sex. I am far from being a spring chicken and when I'm with a provider and get an erection I have no more desire for foreplay and would like to use that erection immediately. Furthermore, the length of time in coitus before climax varies, sometimes longer than others and I expect that if I am within the allotted time I will be allowed to ejaculate as long as the agreed to time has not elapsed. If the service allows two pops then I should be allowed the opportunity to start a second one as long as I am within the agreed to time. Women are naturally built to have sex and some men have more sex within the allotted time than others, that expectation comes with the job. If they can't handle it then reduce the number of sessions or find another job.
It's a bit naive to think the welfare of the girls is of much interest to the management. I'm sure they put up with some pretty bad shit from Asian customers too. It's all about racist attitudes and fleecing the customer.I have never been a fan of soapies or MPs and always found the experience to be sorely lacking in eroticism, even 20+ years ago. So I can't speak much about this or that venue. But this bit about a Farang "surcharge" sounds to me much more like an Asian "discount" instead. They only spruce it up with an excuse to us Farangs that they hope at least could be taken as flattery; we're just too much MAN for those delicate flowers. LOL.
Meanwhile, if many if their Asian customers couldn't be assured ASAP that, yep sure enough, they most definitely are already getting a discount below what the Farangs are paying, they would likely eat up more of the papasan's time grinding him for one anyway.
JMHO.
Well call me savage. Fore and after play is for a girlfriend / wife. The providers are to wash me and then we have sex. I am far from being a spring chicken and when I'm with a provider and get an erection I have no more desire for foreplay and would like to use that erection immediately. Furthermore, the length of time in coitus before climax varies, sometimes longer than others and I expect that if I am within the allotted time I will be allowed to ejaculate as long as the agreed to time has not elapsed. If the service allows two pops then I should be allowed the opportunity to start a second one as long as I am within the agreed to time. Women are naturally built to have sex and some men have more sex within the allotted time than others, that expectation comes with the job. If they can't handle it then reduce the number of sessions or find another job.You must be a charming companion.
I disagree with the premise AlphaPunk2 put forward ie that soapy girls do not want farang customers. When I walk into the Lord or La Belle, most of the girls appear to be very happy to see me and more than willing to be selected by yours truly including the best-looking girls in the place. But, the farang tax is most definitely a discriminatory charge. So, if that bothers you, then skip the soapies. Except for the added expense, it doesn't really bother me much because I am always treated very well in all other respects in these high end soapies by management and the staff and because, in the case of the Lord, I always get the desirable girl I want who treats me way better than good in the loom.
What bothers me far more is the palpable anti-white discriminatory environment going on in a few Pattaya Go Go's like Baccara Walking Street or some Korean owned bars in AC where the top girls absolutely refuse to barfine Caucasians or even look their way. I hate these joints. I won't even buy a diet coke in such bars anymore, let alone seek out that kind of NE Asian only focused girl. In the case of the AC Korean owned bars, it is a key part of the managment's business plan not to service Westerners. May the ungrateful racists all go bankrupt and rot. I laugh out loud thinking where South Korea would be right now without the USA backing their play.Truth be told, we farang have had our day. It's not really our "scene" anymore and its going to become less and less as time moves on. There are fewer farang here and more Asian dudes. The scene caters to the Asian dudes and will continue to do so. Their wants and needs are different from ours, but they are here in numbers and we are not anymore. They don't demand GFE or PSE, rather they want to stick it in a pretty gal so they can tell their friends about it. And many want to brag about what they paid as well. It's a very different modus operandi and one that most of us farang dudes don't want to have anything to do with. Enjoy, what's left guys; it's going to continue in this direction. I am really glad I made it over for the first time in the late 90's and got to enjoy the end of the Golden Age. One thing though, when the Chinese punters arrive the gals will really miss us farang and perhaps wish they catered to us a bit more.
Well call me savage. Fore and after play is for a girlfriend / wife. The providers are to wash me and then we have sex. I am far from being a spring chicken and when I'm with a provider and get an erection I have no more desire for foreplay and would like to use that erection immediately. Furthermore, the length of time in coitus before climax varies, sometimes longer than others and I expect that if I am within the allotted time I will be allowed to ejaculate as long as the agreed to time has not elapsed. If the service allows two pops then I should be allowed the opportunity to start a second one as long as I am within the agreed to time. Women are naturally built to have sex and some men have more sex within the allotted time than others, that expectation comes with the job. If they can't handle it then reduce the number of sessions or find another job.I like foreplay, but on my terms. To each his own. The point is the provider needs to be able to monitor and adjust according to the needs of the customer. Most of the Asian dudes are ok with the script; we farang want to make our own movie. And FFS women can go at it for a lot longer than we can. 2 pops and I'm done. How much can she handle? A lot more than me, that's for sure. And yes, if she is always jep jep jep, it's time to find another job.
NicFrenchy
12-13-17, 03:54
Truth be told, we farang have had our day. It's not really our "scene" anymore and its going to become less and less as time moves on.We've lost control of that "Scene" years ago. Truth is, in the massage world, we've always been in the back of the bus compared to Asians.
What's our scene now is online dating / encounters / apps or whatever you want to call it. There are a lot of your girls ready and waiting to meet (of course not always for free), and that, the other Asians haven't tapped into yet.
Badoo, Tinder, Tagged. If you're smart you could have a different girl lined up each night of your holiday here.
Downside? You need to invest time, sometimes a lot of time, but I believe the reward will be more satisfying than any massage place.
Grandaddy Perp
12-13-17, 04:00
It's a bit naive to think the welfare of the girls is of much interest to the management. I'm sure they put up with some pretty bad shit from Asian customers too. It's all about racist attitudes and fleecing the customer.I don't think its really an issue of 'welfare' but more about keeping the girls in the place. Fact is, these brick and mortar establishments are having a hard time keeping top level staff on premise. The online / social media model has taken over and most of the hottest ladies are just FLing these days. This is one of the reasons why the pricing has skyrocketed in just the last couple of years. Before that there were 4-5 venues that had the same amount of top level ladies that the Lord has now. Its supply and demand and if you can get paid more to do less work, I imagine you would make the same choice as they are. Another thing to consider is that the ladies generally get tipped more from Asian guys than farangs. You just can't bring that entitled attitude like this "Women are naturally built to have sex" into this scene anymore. Say what you will about Asian men but they are favored because they don't view these ladies as sex machines, more like status symbol idols.
Roaming Viking
12-13-17, 05:02
Hi again, one question about the price. Has it gone up? Last year I remember paying about 1500 for 1 1/2 hours.
Still, if the service is good I don't mind pay a little more. But basically all the girls at SW are the same price range, right?
Thanks.
Thanks for the update o Emmy. I will be sure to try her when I visit later this month. In the past I have also tried Audi. She is really sweet and offers excellent service, no holes bared and CIM.
I'd appreciate any update on Kasalong and L*.
Cheers!
Grandaddy Perp
12-13-17, 05:11
Uh, well that is one way of looking at it. The other is that we actually like sex and expect the gal to at least act like she does and are not there to claim a trophy so we can tell our friends we paid x amount to have sex with a pretty girl, even though she was a bit of a starfish. Fair share? If expecting a gal to provide either a PSE or a GFE and at least two pops for a session that many are paying well in excess of 100 USD for in a country where the minimum wage is less than 10 USD a day and the majority of degreed persons make well less than 3 k USD per month is more than our "fair share," then most non-Farangs must have pretty low expectations of what a "fair share" is. Sorry, when you are paying top dollar, you should get quite a bit more than a lazy gal that is looking to get away with as little as she can and a management that allows it. For the most part performance standards have decreased as prices have increased. Go figure. Well, I place the blame squarely on the Asian punter who does not make demands but settles for what he gets. Has had a terrible effect on the P4 P scene in Thailand in general.This whole scale of economics argument doesn't hold water when it comes to prostitution and it has nothing to do with Asians, as a matter of fact there is a greater argument to be made for Westernization as the true cause, specifically the rise of capitalism. Just look at prostitution in first world countries dominated by 'farang' populations to see what I mean. A top level escort in NYC can command thousands of dollars for a few hours when the minimum wage is $7.25. Same goes for London. Bangkok is now a major metropolitan and one of the Asian hubs but for a Thai pin up model you are still paying a small fraction of what you would pay for the equivalent in America and the service will roughly be the same if not better here if you request like for like services.
We've lost control of that "Scene" years ago. Truth is, in the massage world, we've always been in the back of the bus compared to Asians.
What's our scene now is online dating / encounters / apps or whatever you want to call it. There are a lot of your girls ready and waiting to meet (of course not always for free), and that, the other Asians haven't tapped into yet.
Badoo, Tinder, Tagged. If you're smart you could have a different girl lined up each night of your holiday here.
Downside? You need to invest time, sometimes a lot of time, but I believe the reward will be more satisfying than any massage place.For residents with GFs, the online option is not so great. As you stated, it requires time and effort, and is not that discreet.
For residents with GFs, the online option is not so great. As you stated, it requires time and effort, and is not that discreet.Yes, the live-in GF choice is definitely a terrible deal for most of us today. Especially if, as you have been asserting, the brick and mortar venue options are seriously losing their value to us.
I have been living in Bkk about five years so far and must have dug in my heels 10-15 times and resisted the inclination to invite a special girl to carve out a space in my closet, fill a bureau drawer or two and set up camp in my apartment. It requires conviction and a willingness to fend off all the expected pouting and pleas to ride in on a white horse and save the day for her feelings, her future, her family, the family buffalo, and on and on. But that isn't why I worked my ass off in the USA, divested myself of virtually all material possessions, left whatever family and old friends I had grown up with for 60+ years to do.
Does that mean I don't enjoy the pleasure and comfort of a "GF" in my retirement? Not even close. Thanks to online options like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly (I'll leave the fast and furious booty call apps to those who need them) as well as girls I meet along the way outside the P4 P business, I have MANY genuine GFs, any one of whom will come over for the night at a moment's notice, spend their day off with me, travel with me on holiday, whatever, but only on my invitation and only when I wouldn't rather have a quiet night alone. Or a night out on the hunt with my friends.
I still do a go-go bar night or two almost every week and still shop for FLs on my rounds. But I am on about 80% regular, non P4 P Thai girls these days.
Meanwhile, these regular, non P4 P girls are among the youngest, best looking, most affectionate, most sexually skillful and satisfying Thai girls I have ever had. Seriously, I am getting better sex with Thai girls today and for less cost than I ever did in the past. And I credit that smart phone with the Line app on it nestled in my pocket for most of that positive difference.
Yes, the live-in GF choice is definitely a terrible deal for most of us today. Especially if, as you have been asserting, the brick and mortar venue options are seriously losing their value to us.
I have been living in Bkk about five years so far and must have dug in my heels 10-15 times and resisted the inclination to invite a special girl to carve out a space in my closet, fill a bureau drawer or two and set up camp in my apartment. It requires conviction and a willingness to fend off all the expected pouting and pleas to ride in on a white horse and save the day for her feelings, her future, her family, the family buffalo, and on and on. But that isn't why I worked my ass off in the USA, divested myself of virtually all material possessions, left whatever family and old friends I had grown up with for 60+ years to do.
Does that mean I don't enjoy the pleasure and comfort of a "GF" in my retirement? Not even close. Thanks to online options like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly (I'll leave the fast and furious booty call apps to those who need them) as well as girls I meet along the way outside the P4 P business, I have MANY genuine GFs, any one of whom will come over for the night at a moment's notice, spend their day off with me, travel with me on holiday, whatever, but only on my invitation and only when I wouldn't rather have a quiet night alone. Or a night out on the hunt with my friends.
I still do a go-go bar night or two almost every week and still shop for FLs on my rounds. But I am on about 80% regular, non P4 P Thai girls these days.
Meanwhile, these regular, non P4 P girls are among the youngest, best looking, most affectionate, most sexually skillful and satisfying Thai girls I have ever had. Seriously, I am getting better sex with Thai girls today and for less cost than I ever did in the past. And I credit that smart phone with the Line app on it nestled in my pocket for most of that positive difference.If I did not have a live in; I'd be playing it the same way. Yes, most non-p4 p gals are smarter and better educated and that all adds up to a better experience in and out of the bedroom. My gal of over a decade has her MBA, the family is not parasitic, and is a card carrying atheist like myself. Also not a jealous bone in her body. Aside from being pretty sharp, she also models swimsuits and fitness wear on occasion. I'm in a pretty great position with her and think any trade in would be a trade down. But if we ever spilt, yours is the road I am taking.
Grandaddy Perp
12-13-17, 09:16
It requires conviction and a willingness to fend off all the expected pouting and pleas to ride in on a white horse and save the day for her feelings, her future, her family, the family buffalo, and on and on. But that isn't why I worked my ass off in the USA, divested myself of virtually all material possessions, left whatever family and old friends I had grown up with for 60+ years to do.While this may be what you've experienced as far as potential GF material, I can say that this is not the norm in Bangkok, unless you're trying to corral a sex worker from Nana or Soi Cowboy and make her into a really LT partner.
There are plenty of options for real relationships with attractive women who have regular full-time jobs and the only animal that they may bring into the equation being a pussy cat. No horses either. Just being a nice and caring guy who won't screw them over will get you a similar lady in return.
With that being said, if you're just not the type then you're not the type and if there is anywhere in the world where you don't have to be its Thailand.
If you read my previous reports, I had two sessions without finish on this first trip to Bangkok. I wanted to try every type of mongering there I can get to in 4 days. And get some sightseeing in. Oillie, Thermae freelancer, bar fine go-go. I save the priciest for last. Went to Lords after some shopping and an IMAX movie. The lobby where the selection happens was really lit up. Not overly crowded but about 2 dozen guys. There were like 10 "hosts mamasans" greeting arrivals. The one I got showed me the price card -5000-10000 bahts, was very pushy and wanted me to choose immediately. I got a drink instead and scanned the ladies. She put me in a seat way away from the view of the girls. I walked around and checked out the 30 or so girls- pretty uncomfortable for me as it started to feel like I'm buying a cut of meat. I could see 3-4 I could do, but my first choice was taken as I was scouting. You snooze you loose.
I told the mamasan to get No. 15, who was at the 2nd tier 5100 bahts, named Nac (sounds like mace). Pay at "hotel check in desk" around the corner and leads me to a room. Nac has an attractive face, about 5'2" and enhanced. Nice body, sweet and good English. Drew a bath, and we had a little fun. That was the extent of the "soaping" and massage. Towelled off and more fun in the bed. Even at the lower tier, I guess you get what you pay for. She was GFE all the way -BBBJ, kissing, cover, good enthusiasm in different positions. As commented by my previous encounter, she was surprised at stamina and size, but in her case she took a good pounding and I finished. We were about 75 minutes into our 90 minute session. I rarely have two pops in me, and she was pretty sore and didn't think she could stand another. We chatted, showered, tipped and out before my 90 minutes. Probably not repeat as there are others to try.
Christian G
12-13-17, 10:01
Hi again, one question about the price. Has it gone up? Last year I remember paying about 1500 for 1 1/2 hours.
Still, if the service is good I don't mind pay a little more. But basically all the girls at SW are the same price range, right?
Thanks.Prices at Snow White are always the same. 1500 baht for the girl + the massage fee (400 for 1 HR, 600 for 90 min, 800 for 2 hrs) everythings included, no surcharge for A+ service.
On the topic of a Farang Surcharge at some of the venues, which I suspect is actually considered an Asian Discount by everyone else involved other than us Farangs, what are the Asian customers told by the papasan is the reason for the reason for the price difference?
I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."
I mean, it's got to be explained in a more flattering (and, imo, more realistic) way than that. Something on the order of, "Mr. Hashimoto, we value your patronage and are happy to offer you a discount from the regular rate," yes?
Surely they don't keep the Asian Discount a secret from their Asian customers. So what do the papasans tell them?
Grandaddy Perp
12-13-17, 12:53
On the topic of a Farang Surcharge at some of the venues, which I suspect is actually considered an Asian Discount by everyone else involved other than us Farangs, what are the Asian customers told by the papasan is the reason for the reason for the price difference?
I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."
I mean, it's got to be explained in a more flattering (and, imo, more realistic) way than that. Something on the order of, "Mr. Hashimoto, we value your patronage and are happy to offer you a discount from the regular rate," yes?
Surely they don't keep the Asian Discount a secret from their Asian customers. So what do the papasans tell them?Wow this is really grinding your gears.
From my experience, as an Asian-American who doesn't have to pay a surcharge, the price is a flat rate and then they add more if you're a farang but more often than not, I'm just given the normal base price associate with the girl's code. I've never heard of an Asian discount, that's just the normal price. No explanation needed.
AlphaPunk2
12-13-17, 16:42
On the topic of a Farang Surcharge at some of the venues, which I suspect is actually considered an Asian Discount by everyone else involved other than us Farangs, what are the Asian customers told by the papasan is the reason for the reason for the price difference?
I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."
I mean, it's got to be explained in a more flattering (and, imo, more realistic) way than that. Something on the order of, "Mr. Hashimoto, we value your patronage and are happy to offer you a discount from the regular rate," yes?
Surely they don't keep the Asian Discount a secret from their Asian customers. So what do the papasans tell them?Read my previous post about it again. I'm half korean half chinese FYI so there's your answer.
I've been living and working in Bangkok since I was 19 and most of my friends here are 18-29 years of age. I've had the same conversations with everyone of all backgrounds and ages, be it university students, professional corporate workers or escorts / working girls; all answers are the same, westerners are generally not liked. You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior.
Let me share with you just 1 of many personal encounters of this sort.
I was eating at Mcdonalds in Sathorn and this American sitting opposite me dropped his pen, it fell over to my side of the table onto the floor and it was obvious due to the position / design of the table that he would not be able to reach it without walking across half of the room and around. I could have ignored it and be unhelpful, but I chose to be nice and picked up his pen and passed to him. He took the pen without looking at me, without saying thank you, and just continued watching a show on his tablet.
Don't get me started on other examples.
At Grandaddy Perp. I absolutely agree with you.
Wow this is really grinding your gears.
From my experience, as an Asian-American who doesn't have to pay a surcharge, the price is a flat rate and then they add more if you're a farang but more often than not, I'm just given the normal base price associate with the girl's code. I've never heard of an Asian discount, that's just the normal price. No explanation needed.You missed my point. Or perhaps I didn't illustrate it well. I think the reasons I have read for the Farang Surcharge are preposterous. And to illustrate that opinion, I posed a question about how on earth a papasan could explain that reasoning to the Asian customers.
". they add more if you're a farang. "
So, if I may ask you, what did they tell you the reason was for charging the Farangs more? Or has a reason never been mentioned and no Asian has ever asked?
Member #4698
12-13-17, 18:03
So, if I may ask you, what did they tell you the reason was for charging the Farangs more? Or has a reason never been mentioned and no Asian has ever asked?Bingo! The mamasans and papasons carry small cards in their pockets with prices per category girl printed on them. There is one card for Asians and another for Caucasians. On one or two very rare occasions the mamasan showed me the wrong card, but she quickly recovered from her faux pas. So I assume most Asian customers are completely unaware of the two-price scheme; only those punters who read this forum, have Western friends, or are inadvertently showed the wrong card like I was would know.
These places like to present a genteel club atmosphere. The hosts therefore appear to be very discreet and do not engage in price negotiations/discussions in any depth. It's a take it or leave it and if you think the price is too high, why did you come here in the 1st place kind of attitude. Perhaps that is the real reason for the Farang tax. These places wish to discourage lower Suk type stereotypes from visiting and giving them grief or perturbance. It's discrimination alright. So, what else is new? This is LOS.
Uncle Volodya
12-13-17, 21:26
On the topic of a Farang Surcharge at some of the venues, which I suspect is actually considered an Asian Discount by everyone else involved other than us Farangs, what are the Asian customers told by the papasan is the reason for the reason for the price difference?
I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."
I mean, it's got to be explained in a more flattering (and, imo, more realistic) way than that. Something on the order of, "Mr. Hashimoto, we value your patronage and are happy to offer you a discount from the regular rate," yes?
Surely they don't keep the Asian Discount a secret from their Asian customers. So what do the papasans tell them?Amusing post. 555.
I don't think "Mr. Hashimoto" would really mind. In his eyes rooting around for extraneous amounts of time with a working girl is unbecoming and expecting them to cuddle and treat him like their BF is sad. Not something he is keen to do. He'd rather choose the prettiest and whitest girl there, get his pop in an efficient and dignified manner, and be on his way.
I can kind of see his point. But, at heart I am a barbaric farang who wants to every p4 p situation to turn out as a PSE marathon with a GFE to top it off. 555.
We are both stuck in our own ways and I respect that.
Different strokes for different folks, as they say.
The Lord opens at 12 pm and closes at midnight. Don't bother going at 12 pm, there's hardly anyone there at that time. Best to go at 3 pm.
I don't remember how long the session lasts, I think it's either 1.5 h or 2 h. Yes the prices are as what you mentioned but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For all you know the 4000 baht girl could be the sexiest / prettiest one to you.
You mentioned you can only go after midnight? There are hardly any massage parlours that are open at that time. I do know a few places that stay open till 5 am but you need a car to get there. If you're going to be taking a taxi it'll be difficult to direct the driver if you don't speak Thai well.
Personally I pick quality over quantity. There are 10/10 girls that cost 5,500-7,000 baht for 1.5 h that I occasionally splurge on (but they are hard to find in the first place so luck also plays a part).Thanks for the reply, looks like my only option is smooci after midnight as don't have a car and probably get lost in taxi.
Will try and sneak away to try Lord at 3 pm.
Is it the same each day, number of customers wise, are there punters weekends and weekdays? Might try and go on a Wednesday 3 pm.
Has Yok from Cherry massage left the business?
Contacted shop and they said she gone back home and stopped working. Or is she working elsewhere?
Bingo! The mamasans and papasons carry small cards in their pockets with prices per category girl printed on them. There is one card for Asians and another for Caucasians. On one or two very rare occasions the mamasan showed me the wrong card, but she quickly recovered from her faux pas. So I assume most Asian customers are completely unaware of the two-price scheme; only those punters who read this forum, have Western friends, or are inadvertently showed the wrong card like I was would know.
These places like to present a genteel club atmosphere. The hosts therefore appear to be very discreet and do not engage in price negotiations/discussions in any depth. It's a take it or leave it and if you think the price is too high, why did you come here in the 1st place kind of attitude. Perhaps that is the real reason for the Farang tax. These places wish to discourage lower Suk type stereotypes from visiting and giving them grief or perturbance. It's discrimination alright. So, what else is new? This is LOS.It sounds like they have settled on an amount for Asian customers above which they believe most Asians would balk while at the same time are banking on most Farangs not noticing or caring enough to balk at an even higher price. That makes more sense to me than what is apparently told to the Farangs and whatever is told to the Asian customers in the know about the price difference.
I thought if we knew what Asian customers are told about the price difference then we might be able to compare notes on what we Farangs are told and come up with something to say to the papasan to assuage their fears or at least to capitalize on it. LOL.
Actually, I was rooting for the same story being told to the Asian customers as to the Farang customers. Not being a soapy fan, if I liken it to my go-go bar experiences, it would be as if some go-go bars charge blue-eyed customers a 1000 baht barfine while charging everyone else only a 700 baht barfine. Then, if I asked the mamasan why that was the case and she said it was because blue-eyed customers tend to want DFK, BBBJ+CIM and even BBFS from their girls so we charge them more for that kind of service, I would most definitely request a favor from the mamasan to please put my brown-eyed self on the blue-eyed customer program and start charging me 1000 baht too! LOL.
But in this case, it seems the extra 500 baht or whatever doesn't get you anything more than whatever the most minimal low demand customer would accept. Despite the fact that Farang customers are sometimes told the extra charge is because Farangs usually want, what, DFK, BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, two pops, BBFS, sex for most of the 90 minutes and so on from girls who would not ordinarily provide such things for their customers, I don't believe I have read many or any field reports saying that is exactly what they got for the extra money.
Has Yok from Cherry massage left the business?
Contacted shop and they said she gone back home and stopped working. Or is she working elsewhere?Saw her there the other night. She wasn't dressed for work though. No clue what's going on.
Grandaddy Perp
12-14-17, 06:31
It sounds like they have settled on an amount for Asian customers above which they believe most Asians would balk while at the same time are banking on most Farangs not noticing or caring enough to balk at an even higher price. That makes more sense to me than what is apparently told to the Farangs and whatever is told to the Asian customers in the know about the price difference.
I thought if we knew what Asian customers are told about the price difference then we might be able to compare notes on what we Farangs are told and come up with something to say to the papasan to assuage their fears or at least to capitalize on it. LOL.
Actually, I was rooting for the same story being told to the Asian customers as to the Farang customers. Not being a soapy fan, if I liken it to my go-go bar experiences, it would be as if some go-go bars charge blue-eyed customers a 1000 baht barfine while charging everyone else only a 700 baht barfine. Then, if I asked the mamasan why that was the case and she said it was because blue-eyed customers tend to want DFK, BBBJ+CIM and even BBFS from their girls so we charge them more for that kind of service, I would most definitely request a favor from the mamasan to please put my brown-eyed self on the blue-eyed customer program and start charging me 1000 baht too! LOL.
But in this case, it seems the extra 500 baht or whatever doesn't get you anything more than whatever the most minimal low demand customer would accept. Despite the fact that Farang customers are sometimes told the extra charge is because Farangs usually want, what, DFK, BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, two pops, BBFS, sex for most of the 90 minutes and so on from girls who would not ordinarily provide such things for their customers, I don't believe I have read many or any field reports saying that is exactly what they got for the extra money.I was trying to be modest in my reasoning as to why the surcharge exists but it really does come down to what AlphaPunk2 says:
"Westerners are generally not liked. You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior."
You yourself are an example of what he speaks of given your repeated use of racial stereotypes:
"I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."
Seriously? Have you seen Japanese porn? Its anything but unimaginative. Also, the whole 3-3-3 thing isn't reflective of reality.
And there is this comment:
"I don't think "Mr. Hashimoto" would really mind. In his eyes rooting around for extraneous amounts of time with a working girl is unbecoming and expecting them to cuddle and treat him like their BF is sad. Not something he is keen to do. He'd rather choose the prettiest and whitest girl there, get his pop in an efficient and dignified manner, and be on his way."
This is also the same with local men who play in this end of the pool.
You have to understand that these MPs have never really catered to lonely, sex deprived men. I won't go into too much detail about the true nature of the establishments because its not for me to tell but I will just say that Asians, or I should say the types of Asians who visit these places, haven't reached that level where women are purely and excuse my English 'cum dumpsters' or an object of release for their bottled up misogyny. For them, its mostly just a break from the office.
I get that Western progressive culture has created a lot of this pent up anger but don't take it out on Asia even if it they let you with mostly open legs.
You missed my point. Or perhaps I didn't illustrate it well. I think the reasons I have read for the Farang Surcharge are preposterous. And to illustrate that opinion, I posed a question about how on earth a papasan could explain that reasoning to the Asian customers.
". they add more if you're a farang. "
So, if I may ask you, what did they tell you the reason was for charging the Farangs more? Or has a reason never been mentioned and no Asian has ever asked?My guess is that the origins for the farang surchage go way back to when almost all farang in Thailand had far more money than the locals or other Asians in Thailand. "They have more money, so they should pay more. " Then a range of excuses were concocted to justify it.
But in this case, it seems the extra 500 baht or whatever doesn't get you anything more than whatever the most minimal low demand customer would accept. Despite the fact that Farang customers are sometimes told the extra charge is because Farangs usually want, what, DFK, BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, two pops, BBFS, sex for most of the 90 minutes and so on from girls who would not ordinarily provide such things for their customers, I don't believe I have read many or any field reports saying that is exactly what they got for the extra money.Don't think farangs are getting any better service for that money. The only time a soapy gal is going to go the extra mile is if she smells the opportunity to snag a sponsor, and a high dollar sponsor at that.
My guess is that the origins for the farang surchage go way back to when almost all farang in Thailand had far more money than the locals or other Asians in Thailand. "They have more money, so they should pay more. " Then a range of excuses were concocted to justify it.I vaguely recall seeing a printed menu in a Bangkok restaurant about 5 years ago with two different prices posted for each item, a lower one for Thais and a higher one for everyone else. Maybe all Asians got that lower price. Don't know. I haven't seen a menu like it lately though. Of course, different prices for Thais vs Farangs is still going strong with many motorcycle taxi fares. Again, don't know if every Asian is quoted the Thai fare. The results of those products and services are fixed and bound to be the same for everyone who orders a meal at such a place or rides a motorcycle taxi from one place to another, too, much like the two tier priced soapy results I suppose.
NicFrenchy
12-14-17, 09:55
Amusing post. 555.
I don't think "Mr. Hashimoto" would really mind. In his eyes rooting around for extraneous amounts of time with a working girl is unbecoming and expecting them to cuddle and treat him like their BF is sad. Not something he is keen to do. He'd rather choose the prettiest and whitest girl there, get his pop in an efficient and dignified manner, and be on his way.
You hit the nail on the head.
Only Foreigners (read: non Asians) think they are buying a girlfriend, treating them to dinner and breakfast in the morning, even shopping.
To each their own, we spend our money how we see fit and buy whatever experience floats our boat.
NicFrenchy
12-14-17, 10:03
You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior.Now now. Hold your horses. While I agree that the behaviour of certain locals or tourists is way out of order, saying most (I read that as 7/10?) westerners are racist is ludicrous.
Been living and working here since 2004 and I can tell you the vast majority of westerners are polite and respectful.
One thing I'll give you though, is that with the arrival "en-masse" of chinese tourists, behaving as they would at home (not to their fault, they may not know better), I have seen a lot of westerners (and Thais) curse them. I do not approve of it but it is far from the majority.
NicFrenchy
12-14-17, 10:07
My guess is that the origins for the farang surchage go way back to when almost all farang in Thailand had far more money than the locals or other Asians in Thailand. "They have more money, so they should pay more. " Then a range of excuses were concocted to justify it.That would be my guess, yes.
It applies to other countries and services other than the sex industry.
Taxi? No meter, 200 thb.
Moto taxi? 40 thb for a 20 thb ride.
Some attractions also have a surcharge for non Thais.
Hotels? Most have a Thai resident rate.
Grandaddy Perp
12-14-17, 10:13
I vaguely recall seeing a printed menu in a Bangkok restaurant about 5 years ago with two different prices posted for each item, a lower one for Thais and a higher one for everyone else. Maybe all Asians got that lower price. Don't know. I haven't seen a menu like it lately though. Of course, different prices for Thais vs Farangs is still going strong with many motorcycle taxi fares. Again, don't know if every Asian is quoted the Thai fare. The results of those products and services are fixed and bound to be the same for everyone who orders a meal at such a place or rides a motorcycle taxi from one place to another, too, much like the two tier priced soapy results I suppose.Interesting. Never have seen two price points at a restaurant before but I have seen higher costs at restaurants in touristy areas but this seems to be a global phenomenon.
Also, taxis, motorcycle and car, in touristy areas like Suhkumvit, will often try and get higher fares from all passengers, including locals. One method that usually works for me is to just climb in close the door and tell them where I'm going. Rarely ever get said no to with this technique, which I learned from a Thai friend. One thing that the motorcycle guys will try to do is take advantage of someone who isn't in the know so its a good idea to learn the general fare rates for distance and times of day. This goes for everyone though.
One area though where there is an obvious fare difference for locals and non-locals is with tourism attractions. But I also find this to be a norm around the world. I think its unfair for locals to pay or pay the same amount as a foreigner to go to a temple or visit the Grand Palace.
You hit the nail on the head.
Only Foreigners (read: non Asians) think they are buying a girlfriend, treating them to dinner and breakfast in the morning, even shopping.
To each their own, we spend our money how we see fit and buy whatever experience floats our boat.But what about all those Asian guys I see walking out with Thermae hookers on their way in groups to a disco and a night out drinking?
Aside from that, I don't think the Farang soapy customers are looking to take the girl out for shopping, dinner and breakfast in the morning any more than the Asian soapy customers are. But if we're going to pay an extra 500 baht, it might be nice if she at least omitted the condom before giving us oral foreplay. Or is that too unbecoming and sad for us to expect, too?
AlphaPunk2
12-14-17, 11:49
Thanks for the reply, looks like my only option is smooci after midnight as don't have a car and probably get lost in taxi.
Will try and sneak away to try Lord at 3 pm.
Is it the same each day, number of customers wise, are there punters weekends and weekdays? Might try and go on a Wednesday 3 pm.There are customers on weekdays and weekends. The parking lots would be pretty much full from 6 pm onwards.
Read my previous post about it again. I'm half korean half chinese FYI so there's your answer.
I've been living and working in Bangkok since I was 19 and most of my friends here are 18-29 years of age. I've had the same conversations with everyone of all backgrounds and ages, be it university students, professional corporate workers or escorts / working girls; all answers are the same, westerners are generally not liked. You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior.
Let me share with you just 1 of many personal encounters of this sort.
I was eating at Mcdonalds in Sathorn and this American sitting opposite me dropped his pen, it fell over to my side of the table onto the floor and it was obvious due to the position / design of the table that he would not be able to reach it without walking across half of the room and around. I could have ignored it and be unhelpful, but I chose to be nice and picked up his pen and passed to him. He took the pen without looking at me, without saying thank you, and just continued watching a show on his tablet.
Don't get me started on other examples.
At Grandaddy Perp. I absolutely agree with you.There are rude people everywhere, including in the West. I have also suffered from instances where I did someone a small favor and they couldn't be bothered to say "thank you. " But that doesn't mean they were racist, particularly given that I am white and I have certainly run across white (as well as other race) people who fail to say "thank you" when it is appropriate. My typical response to failures to say "thank you" is to say sarcastically say "you're welcome. ".
Having said this, if your example is the best you can do to support your statement "most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance" it is pretty pathetic.
You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance.
I was eating at Mcdonalds in Sathorn and this American sitting opposite me dropped his pen, it fell over to my side of the table onto the floor and it was obvious due to the position / design of the table that he would not be able to reach it without walking across half of the room and around. I could have ignored it and be unhelpful, but I chose to be nice and picked up his pen and passed to him. He took the pen without looking at me, without saying thank you, and just continued watching a show on his tablet.BTW, Korean Chinese? WTF in BKK? You local lasses are far hotter. I see Chinese and Korean gals that just put the Thai gals to shame on their own turf. Certainly wish there was a place here to rent them by the hour.
Very interesting as a westerner, and resident here for 18 plus years, would say exactly the same about so many of the Asian men (again not all) I have encountered. I find them arrogant, unfriendly, and very dismissive. Walk down the the street in BKK and most non-Thai Asian dudes will not even move their shoulders to avoid someone in the street; instead expecting everyone else to get out of their way. Many times in the 7 near my place I have had Chinese and Koreans try to cut the que and / or just push their way through. Just the guys, never gals.
I think racism works both ways. Honestly, I find most Americans to be very polite and courteous and the racism that I see with Asians towards other Asians that they deem lesser than themselves pales in comparison to what I ever saw when I was in the US.
Most of the westerners I know and am friends with have made the effort to learn the local language and customs so as to be able to fit in as best as possible wherever the chose to reside or work, and truth be told I know very few who have close local male friends here. That goes for folks I know who have lived in Korea, Japan, and China. The exceptions seem to be Taiwan, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Singapore. Contrast this with some dudes I know who have lived in Brazil where as soon as you learn Portuguese the local guys are inviting you to their house for a BBQ and introducing you to their hot sister or cousin. Personally I'd really like to have close local friends, but methinks the cultural chasms are just to vast.
AlphaPunk2
12-14-17, 13:24
There are rude people everywhere, including in the West. I have also suffered from instances where I did someone a small favor and they couldn't be bothered to say "thank you. " But that doesn't mean they were racist, particularly given that I am white and I have certainly run across white (as well as other race) people who fail to say "thank you" when it is appropriate. My typical response to failures to say "thank you" is to say sarcastically say "you're welcome. ".
Having said this, if your example is the best you can do to support your statement "most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance" it is pretty pathetic.You want more? Sure.
2 white guys in a law firm in Sathorn (I'll let you guess which firm) were involved in a meeting this year. There happened to be a female Japanese employee present and you know what one of those 2 white men said to her upon introduction? "Oh you're from Japan! Nice, I like the porn your people make". Do you know how rude that is? All he could talk about to her after that was porn porn porn. Nothing else. Or is that ok to you LA Guy?
Another example, this time in Singapore. I was waiting to cross the road and I see this group next to me, 2 Singaporeans, 1 westerner. Now the timer just reset with a pretty long wait. The white guy wanted to cross no matter and the Singaporean lady in the group told him to stop and wait for the green pedestrian light. Guess what he said to her? "Nah it's ok they won't dare to drive into a white guy" and proceeded to cross, blocking traffic who has the right of way. Do you know how arrogant that is? Or is that example still "pretty pathetic" to you LA Guy?
A little titbit; after that fiasco, the Singaporean man in that group told her "get rid of him immediately and send him back to where he came from. That's the last westerner I will ever let into my company, too many problems and incidents in public. Why can't they listen?
AlphaPunk2
12-14-17, 13:37
BTW, Korean Chinese? WTF in BKK? You local lasses are far hotter. I see Chinese and Korean gals that just put the Thai gals to shame on their own turf. Certainly wish there was a place here to rent them by the hour.
Very interesting as a westerner, and resident here for 18 plus years, would say exactly the same about so many of the Asian men (again not all) I have encountered. I find them arrogant, unfriendly, and very dismissive. Walk down the the street in BKK and most non-Thai Asian dudes will not even move their shoulders to avoid someone in the street; instead expecting everyone else to get out of their way. Many times in the 7 near my place I have had Chinese and Koreans try to cut the que and / or just push their way through. Just the guys, never gals.
I think racism works both ways. Honestly, I find most Americans to be very polite and courteous and the racism that I see with Asians towards other Asians that they deem lesser than themselves pales in comparison to what I ever saw when I was in the US..You are right, racism works both ways and that cultural chasms are indeed a factor that won't go away any time soon.
Yes I know!! Even the Chinese Thais are still not really on par with the pure Chinese and Koreans. Very hard to find a girl with white skin here. I'll be in shanghai and Korea for the entire month of January, visiting family and of course, taking some time to enjoy the MPs / Saunas there. My friend just opened a sauna and gentlemen's club in shanghai so I'll be checking it out. If you're interested in visiting just tell me, I'll ensure that you're well taken care of.
Grandaddy Perp
12-14-17, 16:17
BTW, Korean Chinese? WTF in BKK? You local lasses are far hotter. I see Chinese and Korean gals that just put the Thai gals to shame on their own turf. Certainly wish there was a place here to rent them by the hour.
Very interesting as a westerner, and resident here for 18 plus years, would say exactly the same about so many of the Asian men (again not all) I have encountered. I find them arrogant, unfriendly, and very dismissive. Walk down the the street in BKK and most non-Thai Asian dudes will not even move their shoulders to avoid someone in the street; instead expecting everyone else to get out of their way. Many times in the 7 near my place I have had Chinese and Koreans try to cut the que and / or just push their way through. Just the guys, never gals.
I think racism works both ways. Honestly, I find most Americans to be very polite and courteous and the racism that I see with Asians towards other Asians that they deem lesser than themselves pales in comparison to what I ever saw when I was in the US.
Most of the westerners I know and am friends with have made the effort to learn the local language and customs so as to be able to fit in as best as possible wherever the chose to reside or work, and truth be told I know very few who have close local male friends here. That goes for folks I know who have lived in Korea, Japan, and China. The exceptions seem to be Taiwan, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Singapore. Contrast this with some dudes I know who have lived in Brazil where as soon as you learn Portuguese the local guys are inviting you to their house for a BBQ and introducing you to their hot sister or cousin. Personally I'd really like to have close local friends, but methinks the cultural chasms are just to vast.You're basing your assumptions of the the the highest of society. Those hot Chinese and Korean women that you see roaming the streets with their cameras, lacy cloths, and frilly hats are generally high-so women who come to Thailand for to have sex with the ripped Thai guys scamming jet skis on the beach. Go figure. Actually, that's not all they come for but we can't discuss the other on this site.
I also find your comment about the lack of Thai male friends to be very typical but it proves the racism because Thai men are generally keen to befriend anyone who makes even a moderately half-hearted attempt to share a beer or a bottle of whiskey. I've spent time in all of the countries you've mentioned and Thais are at the top of the list when it comes to being the friendliest and most happy-go-lucky people you'll encounter. Of course, if you're over the age of say 40 you may have a difficult time getting a date with their 20 year old sister but I would thinks that would be a reasonable decision on their part and would question any brother who would do otherwise.
The fact of the matter is, to Westerners of a certain age demographic, Thailand has been a playground for the men who feel marginalized by progress. Things have changed and they no longer are the perceived top dogs that they used to be and now must get in line. As the world turns as they say.
A little titbit; after that fiasco, the Singaporean man in that group told her "get rid of him immediately and send him back to where he came from. That's the last westerner I will ever let into my company, too many problems and incidents in public. Why can't they listen?So the Singaporean man generalised about an entire racial group on the basis of the actions of one person, in much the same way that you're doing. Your anecdotes (if true) don't reveal anything more than the massive chip on your shoulder.
Christian G
12-14-17, 17:29
2 white guys in a law firm in Sathorn (I'll let you guess which firm) were involved in a meeting this year. There happened to be a female Japanese employee present and you know what one of those 2 white men said to her upon introduction? "Oh you're from Japan! Nice, I like the porn your people make". Do you know how rude that is? All he could talk about to her after that was porn porn porn. Nothing else. Or is that ok to you LA Guy?This is not racism, it is rudeness and ignorance. The word "racism" is more appropriate when a particular club don't let people inside or when have to pay a more high price due to skin color and roots. This is much worse and it happens in Asian countries.
AlphaPunk2
12-14-17, 17:56
So the Singaporean man generalised about an entire racial group on the basis of the actions of one person, in much the same way that you're doing. Your anecdotes (if true) don't reveal anything more than the massive chip on your shoulder.Just 1 action from 1 person doesn't make people react that way. It's multiple negative experiences like that that makes one react that way. Sorry man if you've really been reading my posts you will know it.
You want more? Sure.
2 white guys in a law firm in Sathorn (I'll let you guess which firm) were involved in a meeting this year. There happened to be a female Japanese employee present and you know what one of those 2 white men said to her upon introduction? "Oh you're from Japan! Nice, I like the porn your people make". Do you know how rude that is? All he could talk about to her after that was porn porn porn. Nothing else. Or is that ok to you LA Guy?
Another example, this time in Singapore. I was waiting to cross the road and I see this group next to me, 2 Singaporeans, 1 westerner. Now the timer just reset with a pretty long wait. The white guy wanted to cross no matter and the Singaporean lady in the group told him to stop and wait for the green pedestrian light. Guess what he said to her? "Nah it's ok they won't dare to drive into a white guy" and proceeded to cross, blocking traffic who has the right of way. Do you know how arrogant that is? Or is that example still "pretty pathetic" to you LA Guy?
A little titbit; after that fiasco, the Singaporean man in that group told her "get rid of him immediately and send him back to where he came from. That's the last westerner I will ever let into my company, too many problems and incidents in public. Why can't they listen?It is not a matter of white, yellow, brown or black, I think most people will act that way because people are known to be self centered. In Japan I met many Asian jerks from western countries or other Asian countries. Don't generalize even Asian people have no respect for others. P.S. To me, all Asians look alike, I've never seen any white Asians unless they are Eurasian (mixed race). Only in the USA without taking Asians living in other countries into account. Many streets are dirtied by Asians, many of them throw their waste right in the street and many places are smelly. Everybody makes a mess, It is human. People are just used to their own rule, every country is ruled differently. Different mentality, culture and so on.
P.S: I am not Asian and speak Japanese, I know Japan very well because I've been living out there for a while. What I can say is many Japanese people don't really like Chinese people because they have no respect for their environment. Anyway, Good people are everywhere like bad people. The problem is not about race, the problem always comes from education. Ignorance take over people regardless of race. Many people are not ashamed of sullying their race reputation.
Enjoy your vacation and don't waste your time on what people people of other races do.
AlphaPunk2
12-14-17, 18:06
This is not racism, it is rudeness and ignorance. The word "racism" is more appropriate when a particular club don't let people inside or when have to pay a more high price due to skin color and roots. This is much worse and it happens in Asian countries.Yes, that example was about rudeness as you pointed out. I specifically typed that out in my post if you take a look again.
Mmmm yes I've seen that. On Sukhumvit Soi 26 there is a shop that only let's Japanese customers in. Not sure if the owner is Japanese or Thai. The staff who spoke to me there was Japanese. I guess that's an accurate example of racism? On a side note, this is quite prevalent in Japan from what I've read.
Crazy4Thai
12-15-17, 00:31
My own experience here is 12 years of mostly full time. I'll present a couple of examples of how racist Thai people are. Not just rude but racist, based on my first hand experiences with people that I know pretty well. Two Thai brothers from South Thailand not only refer to the Issaan population of Thailand as "buffaloes", they ridicule their language as "Lao". Another man with his own company had several Muslim employees. Thinking that he might be too, one day I felt comfortable enough to ask him. "No I'm Thai". I got exactly the same answer from a working girl last week when I asked if she was from Issaan. Where I live local Thais hire many laborers from Myanmar. Local Thais express nothing but disdain for them. And really, isn't that they way of the world? In India they are openly labeled by caste. The same social layers are present in the US but not always so openly labeled.
My own experience here is 12 years of mostly full time. I'll present a couple of examples of how racist Thai people are. Not just rude but racist, based on my first hand experiences with people that I know pretty well. Two Thai brothers from South Thailand not only refer to the Issaan population of Thailand as "buffaloes", they ridicule their language as "Lao". Another man with his own company had several Muslim employees. Thinking that he might be too, one day I felt comfortable enough to ask him. "No I'm Thai". I got exactly the same answer from a working girl last week when I asked if she was from Issaan. Where I live local Thais hire many laborers from Myanmar. Local Thais express nothing but disdain for them. And really, isn't that they way of the world? In India they are openly labeled by caste. The same social layers are present in the US but not always so openly labeled.It's widespread through out Asia. My wife is Asian and some of the things she says about other Asian countries and different areas of the country she originates from are very disturbing but widespread. Every ethnic group is racist but it is whitey that has to feel guilty about it.
...And really, isn't that they way of the world? In India they are openly labeled by caste. The same social layers are present in the US but not always so openly labeled.Indeed, that has been my experience, from living and traveling long enough. People always find a way to make fun of, or demean, people from a different ethnicity, or a different city, like city folks vs country side folks. There is nothing to like about that but that's how the world is at this time.
Yes, that example was about rudeness as you pointed out. I specifically typed that out in my post if you take a look again.
Mmmm yes I've seen that. On Sukhumvit Soi 26 there is a shop that only let's Japanese customers in. Not sure if the owner is Japanese or Thai. The staff who spoke to me there was Japanese. I guess that's an accurate example of racism? On a side note, this is quite prevalent in Japan from what I've read.Japanese people think they are above everybody, when you are in Japan you are considered to be a guest. Japanese also look down on other Asians.
Many brothels in Japan that are called Soapland are not gaijin friendly, not because people are of different races but because they have communication problems. The problem is more about language barrier. Even other Asians are not admitted to soaplands due to their lack of communication.
You're basing your assumptions of the the the highest of society. Those hot Chinese and Korean women that you see roaming the streets with their cameras, lacy cloths, and frilly hats are generally high-so women who come to Thailand for to have sex with the ripped Thai guys scamming jet skis on the beach. Go figure. Actually, that's not all they come for but we can't discuss the other on this site.
I also find your comment about the lack of Thai male friends to be very typical but it proves the racism because Thai men are generally keen to befriend anyone who makes even a moderately half-hearted attempt to share a beer or a bottle of whiskey. I've spent time in all of the countries you've mentioned and Thais are at the top of the list when it comes to being the friendliest and most happy-go-lucky people you'll encounter. Of course, if you're over the age of say 40 you may have a difficult time getting a date with their 20 year old sister but I would thinks that would be a reasonable decision on their part and would question any brother who would do otherwise.
The fact of the matter is, to Westerners of a certain age demographic, Thailand has been a playground for the men who feel marginalized by progress. Things have changed and they no longer are the perceived top dogs that they used to be and now must get in line. As the world turns as they say.Having a beer with someone is one thing; forming a close lasting friendship is another. I have some fine acquaintances here, but close local friends, no. So no, I don't think that proves racism at all. And those who have lived here will probably attest to the fact that many Thais who try to "befriend" you are not interested in getting to know you; they have other motives, especially if they feel you can do something for them. And yes, as I have stated, the Thai P4 P scene is catering to the Asian male now and his wants and needs are very different from those of the Western man. Western men are better off in South America these days. Indo is still a decent choice in Asia though.
Crocodilexp
12-15-17, 06:56
Many brothels in Japan that are called Soapland are not gaijin friendly, not because people are of different races but because they have communication problems. The problem is more about language barrier.Sorry, that's bullshit. It's racism / xenophobia all the way.
It doesn't take a PhD in English to tell the price and perform sexual services. A white guy going to those places speaking Japanese would be rejected just the same. Similar places in Thailand have the same communication problems, but welcome foreigners. In fact, thinking about it, ONLY places in Thailand rejecting foreigners are those catering to Japanese.
Christian G
12-15-17, 09:39
Sorry, that's bullshit. It's racism / xenophobia all the way.
It doesn't take a PhD in English to tell the price and perform sexual services. A white guy going to those places speaking Japanese would be rejected just the same. Of course it's racism, language barrier it is just an excuse but is clear the message "japanese only". Anyway Japan is a beautiful country for sightseeing, and is more easy to dating regular japanese girls online instead of P4 P. Fortunately we have other countries to visit for a good mongering scene.
Sorry, that's bullshit. It's racism / xenophobia all the way.
It doesn't take a PhD in English to tell the price and perform sexual services. A white guy going to those places speaking Japanese would be rejected just the same. Similar places in Thailand have the same communication problems, but welcome foreigners. In fact, thinking about it, ONLY places in Thailand rejecting foreigners are those catering to Japanese.Absolute racism and that seems to still permeate Japan. Just look at the way Koreans who have lived there for generations are treated. And yes, the "Japanese Only" clubs are overtly racist as are the bars that don't allow Indians. Sad that you still see that sort of thing anywhere on the planet.
Japanese people think they are above everybody, when you are in Japan you are considered to be a guest. Japanese also look down on other Asians.
Many brothels in Japan that are called Soapland are not gaijin friendly, not because people are of different races but because they have communication problems. The problem is more about language barrier. Even other Asians are not admitted to soaplands due to their lack of communication.Not always. I've been to Tokyo 3 times. Stayed in Kabukicho and had no problem getting into the Soaplands. I'm from Hong Kong and don't speak any Japanese, but perfect English. I guess it helps when you have tattoos sleeves like mine along with well connected Japanese friends. Even in Bangkok, I was able to frequent Thaniya, which is Japanese oriented. The Thai girls who work there as hostesses and bar owners don't want cheap Asians I or Farangs. Those are hostess bars and karaokes, so sex is up the girl even after you pay for the karaoke room, drinks, and tips for the hostesses time. So expect spend about 6-8000 baht, not including take out for the girl. This is their way of weeding out their unwanted clientele types.
I keep telling folks on here that P4 P scene world wide isn't as easy as. "sex for money." Most of these girls have choices, so you better bring you A game and a wallet full of cash. I think some folks can't handle the fact that, that YES, there is racism against those coming from a Western country like America. Oh well, when in Asia, better to learn to play by their rules or go to plan be through Z.
Not always. I've been to Tokyo 3 times. Stayed in Kabukicho and had no problem getting into the Soaplands. I'm from Hong Kong and don't speak any Japanese, but perfect English. I guess it helps when you have tattoos sleeves like mine along with well connected Japanese friends. Even in Bangkok, I was able to frequent Thaniya, which is Japanese oriented. The Thai girls who work there as hostesses and bar owners don't want cheap Asians I or Farangs. Those are hostess bars and karaokes, so sex is up the girl even after you pay for the karaoke room, drinks, and tips for the hostesses time. So expect spend about 6-8000 baht, not including take out for the girl. This is their way of weeding out their unwanted clientele types.
I keep telling folks on here that P4 P scene world wide isn't as easy as. "sex for money." Most of these girls have choices, so you better bring you A game and a wallet full of cash. I think some folks can't handle the fact that, that YES, there is racism against those coming from a Western country like America. Oh well, when in Asia, better to learn to play by their rules or go to plan be through Z.Good, you have been to Tokyo 3 times so now you know everything about Tokyo. I ve been living in Tokyo for a while, I have never had any trouble in Japan as a foreigner since I was able to keep a conversation in Japanese. I ve never been interested in mongering in Asian countries. Mongering scenes in Thailland is a waste of time unless you are only into Asians. I only monger in Russia, Brazil and some Eastern European countries. Japan is only for money.
I know Japanese people can't stand Chinese people. What they most hate is more and more Chinese people immigrate to their country. The last thing they want is to be invaded by other Asians.
Very insightful and essentially if you insert the word white male instead of westerners, my observation is that as usual, victims at the receiving end of racism are blamed for the prejudice they recieve (clothes money skin color, it's your fault darkie, etc), but when a white male experiences discrimination (Japan etc) the rules are different and it's outrageous.
The fact of the matter is, to Westerners of a certain age demographic, Thailand has been a playground for the men who feel marginalized by progress. Things have changed and they no longer are the perceived top dogs that they used to be and now must get in line. As the world turns as they say.
...Western men are better off in South America these days. Indo is still a decent choice in Asia though.I am fairly familiar with South America, Tijuana, Rio, and Colombia, but I have also been mongering in Thailand since 2003, for a total of 20+ trips so far. I have been observing the teansition where Thai folks are catering more to Asians. I was shocked when I took a Chinese friend to Poseidon a few years back. I was charged the 500 bahts Farang surcharge and he was not, yet it was his first time in Thailand and the Poseidon staff knew me as I have been there many times. I never went back to that place.
However, I wanted to say that, for me at least, Thailand is still better than South America. Indeed, the white male is treated better there, but the service is still lacking, much more difficult to get GFE.
Grandaddy Perp
12-16-17, 08:27
Not always. I've been to Tokyo 3 times. Stayed in Kabukicho and had no problem getting into the Soaplands. I'm from Hong Kong and don't speak any Japanese, but perfect English. I guess it helps when you have tattoos sleeves like mine along with well connected Japanese friends. Even in Bangkok, I was able to frequent Thaniya, which is Japanese oriented. The Thai girls who work there as hostesses and bar owners don't want cheap Asians I or Farangs. Those are hostess bars and karaokes, so sex is up the girl even after you pay for the karaoke room, drinks, and tips for the hostesses time. So expect spend about 6-8000 baht, not including take out for the girl. This is their way of weeding out their unwanted clientele types.
I keep telling folks on here that P4 P scene world wide isn't as easy as. "sex for money." Most of these girls have choices, so you better bring you A game and a wallet full of cash. I think some folks can't handle the fact that, that YES, there is racism against those coming from a Western country like America. Oh well, when in Asia, better to learn to play by their rules or go to plan be through Z."P4P scene world wide isn't as easy as. "sex for money. " Most of these girls have choices, so you better bring you A game and a wallet full of cash."
If its not as easy as sex for money than why do you need a wallet full of cash?
Your comments about Thaiya are also somewhat false or old news.
Many of the establishments in Thaniya are farang friendly now at least as far as letting you enter the premise, and all but a couple will allow Asian looking men. The only problem is that majority of the girls speak very little English and the business model is more catering to Asian tastes.
Most of the bars have 600 baht all you can drink promos. You then pay a couple of hundred baht per hour for the girl and also drinks. BFs are 600-1000 and the girls will go with customers without much hassle and expect to pay 2000-2500 for ST and 3000-4000 for LT. I usually go for a couple of hours and then take a girl out and pay around 4000-5000 all in. Not much different than a night out in an agogo.
Very insightful and essentially if you insert the word white male instead of westerners, my observation is that as usual, victims at the receiving end of racism are blamed for the prejudice they recieve (clothes money skin color, it's your fault darkie, etc), but when a white male experiences discrimination (Japan etc) the rules are different and it's outrageous.Did you ever consider that many Westerners leave the West hoping to avoid the prejudice, racism, and intolerance that exists in their home nations because they find is appalling? I certainly do. It sure was a surprise when I found out that Asia tends to be worse than the West in this regard.
Very insightful and essentially if you insert the word white male instead of westerners, my observation is that as usual, victims at the receiving end of racism are blamed for the prejudice they recieve (clothes money skin color, it's your fault darkie, etc), but when a white male experiences discrimination (Japan etc) the rules are different and it's outrageous.I've had many conversations with friends about this and it's always interesting to watch then reply with the "but I'm different line". They were completely oblivious to the fact that everyone else is too.
Grandaddy Perp
12-17-17, 03:21
Very insightful and essentially if you insert the word white male instead of westerners, my observation is that as usual, victims at the receiving end of racism are blamed for the prejudice they recieve (clothes money skin color, it's your fault darkie, etc), but when a white male experiences discrimination (Japan etc) the rules are different and it's outrageous.Sorry but I don't consider being charged more because of attitude or the perception that you have more money to be racism. But then again, my idea of racism is based on there being a core element of hate due to a superiority complex in relation to race. While Thais do have some elements of this, it tends to be based on socio-economics, nationalism, and plain old ignorance with the last one being the biggie. But to say that it's the same or worse than the west (not you but someone else said this) is a bit far fetched.
In the West, we see a lot more violence based on this hatred. Also, there is widespread institutional racism and bigotry in the West. And due to the mixing of cultures and races in the West we often see more instances of racism than in a less culturally diverse country like Thailand. This is not an excuse though as this melting pot is the foundation of America but some specific groups continue to let their 'colors run deep'.
Getting back to the P4Pscene, there are just too many instances where we see farangs acting like their shit doesn't stink or thinking that are still in Kansas. For the most part, the Thais just ignore it, sabai sabai but I'm seeing things starting to change. The crazy tourism boom of the last 7 years or so is partly to blame. Also, the abrupt globalization of Bangkok has also rubbed quite a few people the wrong way as well but it at least brought in enough money for many to finally be able to feel that they are on equal or even an elevated playing ground.
NicFrenchy
12-17-17, 07:59
This is not racism, it is rudeness and ignorance. The word "racism" is more appropriate when a particular club don't let people inside or when have to pay a more high price due to skin color and roots. This is much worse and it happens in Asian countries.+1.
Nailed it in 2 lines.
LittleBigMan
12-17-17, 12:00
+1.
Nailed it in 2 lines.Where you been Nic? You still alive? Welcome back.
NicFrenchy
12-18-17, 04:47
Where you been Nic? You still alive? Welcome back.Thanks LBM, I've been off PVP (still am), just stumbled upon the forum (an old bookmark, LOL).
It's good to see things change but things also stay the same.
How you been?
This is not racism, it is rudeness and ignorance. The word "racism" is more appropriate when a particular club don't let people inside or when have to pay a more high price due to skin color and roots. This is much worse and it happens in Asian countries.I think you got your sense of proportion a bit wrong here. To me the first incident you mention is far worse than certain clubs and MPs in Bangkok telling me for Japanese customers only, or I must buy a drink before entry into Bacarra (which I won't risk wasting my time doing due to problem to get a decent seat).
I feel that clubs are not so bad when they select what types of customers they want for one reason or another. Indians have a bad reputation for being the customers that complain the most, cause the most trouble, and spend the least. It is somewhat understandable that some venues just want to avoid those hassles.
The restaurant chef told me that a customer ate the expensive seafood portion of his plate and then complained his food did not taste nice and wanted a replacement or a refund. One guess what nationality he was. Yes it is wrong to assume that all persons of a race will be equally bad, and we should give people a chance to prove the generalisation is wrong. Unfortunately many places think they can sum up the character of a potential customer with a quick glance at him. So it is wise not to look like some stereotype.
I do understand that very full clubs like Bacarra maybe trying to discourage me from being a waste of space in their club, and they seek to maximise there profit. Some types of customers have a lower probability of being good spending customers, and lack of trouble customers.
I have been refused entry to some clubs because I wore sandals rather than shoes and socks. Seems a strange rule to me, but I accept they can decide who they want. There were alternative places that would take me. I almost never wear shoes and socks in Thailand. It's too hot and sticky for that mostly.
I would love it if all bars and clubs excluded stinky customers, regardless of their nationality. Sitting next to someone with severe B.O. is definitely a problem for me. Cigar smoking should also not be permitted. That is also hard to tolerate.
Pointy Stick
12-20-17, 06:40
Anyone know where Sandy from Addicts Massage has gone?
I loved those silicons and she was very serviced orientated.
My wording was not quite clear.
Clothes money skin color line was about the comments here about all the reasons why Indians and south Asians aren't the victims of racism but it's their own fault as if to say well if you were more like us you wouldn't get treated so badly. They are cheap, they are smelly they are. This is racism marked up as your own fault darkie. Whatever the rights and wrongs of these sentiments, the double standard is when the white or westerner man experiences discrimination its not their own fault its an outrageous racism from the yellow man to the white man and must be stopped. It's amusing.
Sorry but I don't consider being charged more because of attitude or the perception that you have more money to be racism. But then again, my idea of racism is based on there being a core element of hate due to a superiority complex in relation to race. While Thais do have some elements of this, it tends to be based on socio-economics, nationalism, and plain old ignorance with the last one being the biggie. But to say that it's the same or worse than the west (not you but someone else said this) is a bit far fetched.
In the West, we see a lot more violence based on this hatred. Also, there is widespread institutional racism and bigotry in the West. And due to the mixing of cultures and races in the West we often see more instances of racism than in a less culturally diverse country like Thailand. This is not an excuse though as this melting pot is the foundation of America but some specific groups continue to let their 'colors run deep'.
Getting back to the P4Pscene, there are just too many instances where we see farangs acting like their shit doesn't stink or thinking that are still in Kansas. For the most part, the Thais just ignore it, sabai sabai but I'm seeing things starting to change. The crazy tourism boom of the last 7 years or so is partly to blame. Also, the abrupt globalization of Bangkok has also rubbed quite a few people the wrong way as well but it at least brought in enough money for many to finally be able to feel that they are on equal or even an elevated playing ground.
In the West, we see a lot more violence based on this hatred. Also, there is widespread institutional racism and bigotry in the West. And due to the mixing of cultures and races in the West we often see more instances of racism than in a less culturally diverse country like Thailand. This is not an excuse though as this melting pot is the foundation of America but some specific groups continue to let their 'colors run deep'.
Getting back to the P4Pscene, there are just too many instances where we see farangs acting like their shit doesn't stink or thinking that are still in Kansas. For the most part, the Thais just ignore it, sabai sabai but I'm seeing things starting to change. The crazy tourism boom of the last 7 years or so is partly to blame. Also, the abrupt globalization of Bangkok has also rubbed quite a few people the wrong way as well but it at least brought in enough money for many to finally be able to feel that they are on equal or even an elevated playing ground.Huh? You have got to be kidding me. Racism in Asia is way worse than it is in the West. See Japan, Korea, the treatment on Indian and Chinese Malaysian citizens in Malaysia (one of the largest examples of institutional racism I have ever witnessed), and well, what do we have going on in Myanmar at the moment. Yes, there is racism in the West, but the West actually passes laws and educates in order to do something about it.
Checked out Ocean MP tonight for the first time in a while and wow what a horror show of fuglies. There seems to have been a price hike too as the one girl on the left was 2100 but looked totally average and not even young, while the girls on the right were all fat and old and priced at 2800 baht. Alright, it's the peak season and Saturday night but an MP should have girls coming back for customer number 2 or 3. I have no idea who they think is going to pay 2800 for the fuglies on the right. Maybe someone with a horny housewives fetish.
Think I'm going to have to book an Addict girl for tomorrow. Any recommendation for a nice young one with no baby?
Newly revamped lobby: very pretty.
Line-up was decent. I caught the eye of one girl with short hair and nice thighs as she lined up, and ended up picking her. Name was Carla. She says she's 20 year old. Her body is definitely 20 year old: natural B--cup tits, no baby, slim in that healty / skinny kind of way that can only exist in the ripe and nubile body of a 20 year old. Face looks a bit older, maybe 24: too much whitening make-up. But who cares.
She's been working there only one month. She's a University student. Certainly smart enough to be credible about that.
Very good massage. After the flip she was very sensual. It's up close and intimate with her. Lipstick traces everywhere.
She's not very accustomed to Farang size obviously, but quite the trooper. She even asked me for the permission to add KY jelly after it became too painful. Advice: make sure she puts it on first, even if she forgets. Apart from the young tight body and the sensual intimacy, her best qualities are her moans. She just keeps on going as long as she's pounded, and that really got my rocks off to an explosive doggy-style finish.
Recommend? Yes, she's borderline girlfriend material, so I'm surprised she's even still turning tricks. Just make sure she's well lubed, maybe DATY would help (I don't do that). Repeat? Possibly. There was another intriguing, taller girl in the line-up that I want to try first though.
All in all, Addict has nicely reshaped its premises to keep up with the competition from Club 102, and between the two of them they are like a monger magnet.This girl sounds my type except the short hair. How short is it? Neck-length is ok but I wouldn't want anything tomboyish.
Was going to Dozo but they told me they random select your girl you don't get a choice do left.
Few doors down on other side was this place that looked brand newish plus large selection of hotties.
There website also has accurate photos.
Girl I took is not pictured but she was very good. But the room was top notch, brand new and well maintained.
Would recommend.
http://www.herasmassagebkk.com/index.aspx?pid=8a14b44a-db99-4e9d-8765-68afe3acbfed
Crazy4Thai
12-24-17, 04:27
Good to see a new recommendation. Can you share more details on services and pricing. BBBJ? Rimming? DATY? DFK?
Was going to Dozo but they told me they random select your girl you don't get a choice do left.
Few doors down on other side was this place that looked brand newish plus large selection of hotties.
There website also has accurate photos.
Girl I took is not pictured but she was very good. But the room was top notch, brand new and well maintained.
Would recommend.
http://www.herasmassagebkk.com/index.aspx?pid=8a14b44a-db99-4e9d-8765-68afe3acbfed
Was going to Dozo but they told me they random select your girl you don't get a choice do left.
Few doors down on other side was this place that looked brand newish plus large selection of hotties.
There website also has accurate photos.
Girl I took is not pictured but she was very good. But the room was top notch, brand new and well maintained.
Would recommend.
http://www.herasmassagebkk.com/index.aspx?pid=8a14b44a-db99-4e9d-8765-68afe3acbfedI've seen some of those girls on another website, Miss BJ I think but it could be All Stars.
Christian G
12-24-17, 10:02
Girl I took is not pictured but she was very good. But the room was top notch, brand new and well maintained.
Would recommend.
http://www.herasmassagebkk.com/index.aspx?pid=8a14b44a-db99-4e9d-8765-68afe3acbfed
Good to see a new recommendation. Can you share more details on services and pricing. BBBJ? Rimming? DATY? DFK?Price are listed on their website. I am also curious to know about the service. If CIM, anal, multishot, etc. Are included or not.
The girl called Carla / Kara who got good reviews here no longer works at Addict. As there were some clueless Japanese guys taking ages to choose and I've never had a good experience at Addict, I decided to check out Hera's. In answer to the other posters, you will absolutely not get PSE service here as a lot of the girls are newbies and it clearly just isn't that kind of place. I chose Kuga and it turned out alright. She looks just like the photos and doesn't have a baby but she has a hairy minge and was doing the 'I shy' thing a bit. She did offer a BBBJ, took direction reasonably well, knows how to massage and has quite a pleasant personality but overall it was just an average session and the owner is quite miserable so I won't be back.
Any new talent here in terms of baby-free A+ girls? I haven't been back since listening to Ae's rant against European men but it used to be my favourite place by a mile.
Crazy4Thai
12-25-17, 01:06
The girl called Carla / Kara who got good reviews here no longer works at Addict. As there were some clueless Japanese guys taking ages to choose and I've never had a good experience at Addict, I decided to check out Hera's. In answer to the other posters, you will absolutely not get PSE service here as a lot of the girls are newbies and it clearly just isn't that kind of place. I chose Kuga and it turned out alright. She looks just like the photos and doesn't have a baby but she has a hairy minge and was doing the 'I shy' thing a bit. She did offer a BBBJ, took direction reasonably well, knows how to massage and has quite a pleasant personality but overall it was just an average session and the owner is quite miserable so I won't be back.Great followup contribution. Thanks.
Crazy4Thai
12-25-17, 01:11
I repeated with Wei at Chrome Bar soi 7/1 this week and will do so again. Very skilled provider. Not a fan of bolt-ONS but her service overshadows it. It is nuru massage and I have never experienced it elsewhere so cannot compare that part. When it comes time for my often elusive happy ending she is gets it done every time. Catch her on the 25th if you can as she is gone from the 26th to the 4th.
The girl called Carla / Kara who got good reviews here no longer works at Addict. As there were some clueless Japanese guys taking ages to choose and I've never had a good experience at Addict, I decided to check out Hera's. In answer to the other posters, you will absolutely not get PSE service here as a lot of the girls are newbies and it clearly just isn't that kind of place. I chose Kuga and it turned out alright. She looks just like the photos and doesn't have a baby but she has a hairy minge and was doing the 'I shy' thing a bit. She did offer a BBBJ, took direction reasonably well, knows how to massage and has quite a pleasant personality but overall it was just an average session and the owner is quite miserable so I won't be back.Just a follow up to Hera's one of the gilrs listed on website "Cat" which is 5th from bottom looks to be a 5 star girl on smooci with name "Cathy".
My session was only hour there with Jacuzzi so not enough time for multi-shot, got a BBBJ in tub and DATY on bed, didn't ask about anal, doubt be on offer from girl I was with. But yeah, they do as they told in terms of following instructions.
Lady owner (Thai married to Korean apparently) can get a little pissy, I had to cancel a booking and she got short with me, so yeah she not the best PR person, but I guess you need to be a strict ***** to run a stable.
Christian G
12-25-17, 16:27
Any new talent here in terms of baby-free A+ girls? I haven't been back since listening to Ae's rant against European men but it used to be my favourite place by a mile.Emmy. Very good A+ service and no baby.
Emmy. Very good A+ service and no baby.Emmy's been there for years. By 'new talent' I mean someone who has started working there in the past few months or who hasn't been reviewed here.
Lady owner (Thai married to Korean apparently) can get a little pissy, I had to cancel a booking and she got short with me, so yeah she not the best PR person, but I guess you need to be a strict ***** to run a stable.That explains why the girls there are going 'au naturel'. It's probably a Korean thing. The owner is not the kind of woman you would feel comfortable asking about these things so I'm definitely not going back.
Jimmy Boy 99
12-25-17, 18:58
That explains why the girls there are going 'au naturel'. It's probably a Korean thing. The owner is not the kind of woman you would feel comfortable asking about these things so I'm definitely not going back.'au naturel'= BBFS? Did you get that too?
'au naturel'= BBFS? Did you get that too?WTF are you talking about? Au naturel doesn't mean BBFS. I think everyone except you knows what I mean.
Jimmy Boy 99
12-25-17, 20:11
WTF are you talking about? Au naturel doesn't mean BBFS. I think everyone except you knows what I mean.Since I obviously don't know what you mean by them going "au naturel", care to enlighten me?
Since I obviously don't know what you mean by them going "au naturel", care to enlighten me?
I've always known it to mean “in it’s natural state”, which means not shaved. Which would apply to legs, armpits, and pussy. And some au naturel ladies have some really, really thick hair.
Not my thing, though. I prefer all body parts besides the scalp and eyebrows to be clean shaven and sweet smelling.
Member #4698
12-26-17, 00:55
I've always known it to mean in its natural stateRight, the term derives from 19th century French, which translates literally "in the natural state", thus it's first reference is to being nude or naked.
But over the centuries, the term has broadened in its application and usage:
Merriam Webster's Definition of au naturel.
1 : cooked or served plainly.
2 a: being in natural style or condition. Like hair.
2 be: nude.
Urban Dictionary's Definition of au naturel.
1) In a natural state, pristine, unadulterated.
2) Not wearing clothes, nude.
3) Not wearing makeup, fresh-faced.
I usually use the term to refer to either nudity or to describe a fresh, no makeup or natural hair color or natural hair style attribute in girl. So I think we would all get it if someone were to write, "her pussy was au naturel" ie she was sporting a full bush.
Houston Player
12-26-17, 01:05
On a board like this or when speaking about prostitutes I always thought it meant natural Bush or not shaved. But it only applies to the pussy and no other parts of the body.
Good to see that everyone else got it. It's fairly obvious as I'd already referred to her 'hairy minge' in the original report.
Price are listed on their website. I am also curious to know about the service. If CIM, anal, multishot, etc. Are included or not.If CIM and multishot, I'm so going for a 120 minute gel massage with Mew if those prices are all inclusive!
That explains why the girls there are going 'au naturel'. It's probably a Korean thing. The owner is not the kind of woman you would feel comfortable asking about these things so I'm definitely not going back.Disturbing trend at many of the shops, even some of the gals in the PSE places. Yep, seems the Asian dudes like pubes and they are outnumbering us now. Not I, nor would I guess many of the Western dudes. A landing strip is ok, but a jungle? Absolutely not.
Disturbing trend at many of the shops, even some of the gals in the PSE places. Yep, seems the Asian dudes like pubes and they are outnumbering us now. Not I, nor would I guess many of the Western dudes. A landing strip is ok, but a jungle? Absolutely not.That thick rug of long pubes that some Asian women have is a boner killer for me so I'm going to have to start asking the mamasan to only show me the trimmed or shaven girls. All the PSE girls I've had have at least been trimmed. Snow White's Nonny started giving it a full shave because she said the customers preferred it, and she ended up marrying a Korean. But it seems most Asian men prefer a full bush.
That thick rug of long pubes that some Asian women have is a boner killer for me so I'm going to have to start asking the mamasan to only show me the trimmed or shaven girls. All the PSE girls I've had have at least been trimmed. Snow White's Nonny started giving it a full shave because she said the customers preferred it, and she ended up marrying a Korean. But it seems most Asian men prefer a full bush.Many years ago a mamasan in Cambo said that many Asian men consider "bald tiger" to be a sign of ill health.
Jimmy Boy 99
12-26-17, 15:14
Lady owner (Thai married to Korean apparently) can get a little pissy, I had to cancel a booking and she got short with me, so yeah she not the best PR person, but I guess you need to be a strict ***** to run a stable.
That explains why the girls there are going 'au naturel'. It's probably a Korean thing. The owner is not the kind of woman you would feel comfortable asking about these things so I'm definitely not going back.Vrsabien posting that the lady owner "can get a little pissy" and may need to be a "strict * leads you to conclude "That explains why the girls there are going 'au naturel' and she is enforcing a hairy minge standard? Quite a leap, given you only went with one girl, who happened to have one, and also an incorrect one, since the girl I went with two weeks ago was not "au naturel", but was bbfs.
Further, you would not feel "comfortable" asking the owner if a girl had a Bush or not? Is she that intimidating? You're in a brothel; they've heard it all before. If you can ask in these places if a girl takes it up the ass, asking if she has a Bush is nothing. However, asking if the girl does BBFS is probably the one no no in these places, which was why I asked if by "au naturel" you meant BBFS.
Member #4698
12-26-17, 15:44
I once asked a very sexy Darling 1 Chinese girl I met in Macau why she had an au naturel pussy (a long & stringy bush). The majority of Chinese girls I have had over the years were hairy. She said she was modest and prefered the cover it provided. For some reason that alludes me, NE Asian guys like long and stringy by a wide margin. Maybe it is simply because that is what they are used to or as Goat suggests it is historically a sign of good feminine health.
I like a good trim or total bareness. The sight of certain labia's and clits turn me on. Many times I decide to go down or not go down on a girl only after getting a really good look at her pussy. With that Chinese Darling 1 girl I mentioned above, I did go down on her hairy stringy vagina. Once in a rare while I like that that too. It's kind of kinky and reminds me of the good ol' days (pre 1985 before I even considered wearing a condom). 555! She was a great girl. I had a really good time with her.
If CIM and multishot, I'm so going for a 120 minute gel massage with Mew if those prices are all inclusive!Good to hear about this place, and the well endowed Mew gets my vote too.
Look forward to a report on her if you get to her before me.
Grandaddy Perp
12-28-17, 01:43
I once asked a very sexy Darling 1 Chinese girl I met in Macau why she had an au naturel pussy (a long & stringy bush). The majority of Chinese girls I have had over the years were hairy. She said she was modest and prefered the cover it provided. For some reason that alludes me, NE Asian guys like long and stringy by a wide margin. Maybe it is simply because that is what they are used to or as Goat suggests it is historically a sign of good feminine health. DATY isn't much of a thing in Asia and a Bush shows signs of maturity.
LoveHole69
12-28-17, 22:30
Crocodile the Chinese ones I had really good service from were in Malaysia.
So much more choice there.
Good to hear about this place, and the well endowed Mew gets my vote too.
Look forward to a report on her if you get to her before me.Likewise! If you make it there first report back please!
DATY isn't much of a thing in Asia and a Bush shows signs of maturity.Yes, the gal having a good time seems to be far from most of the local punter's minds. But if the gal is enjoying herself the session will be more fun. For most of the locals it is about their own ego. For me Bush shows a sign off lack of care with grooming and in some cases poor hygiene. Of course aesthetics is simply personal taste and for me a hairy bush is a complete turn off.
Mango has posted their schedule; closed the 29th through the 31st and Cherry; 30th through the 1st. Anyone know about SW, Tulip, or Boss?
DATY isn't much of a thing in Asia and a Bush shows signs of maturity.I don't know about all Asia, but in Thailand, big Bush shows signs of gross inexperience in sex and also in the P4 P industry. Not maturity at all, unless I just never did any girls old enough. Most girls I did with very hairy pussy were also very young and new to P4 P. Would never get away with that in a nudie bar in the modern day. LOL.
Girls had a lot more Bush 25 years ago. In Long Gun the actual crack was not that evident in early 2000's or late 1990's due to pussy hair covering, even if hair was trimmed.
Mango has posted their schedule; closed the 29th through the 31st and Cherry; 30th through the 1st. Anyone know about SW, Tulip, or Boss?Not strictly for this thread but in answer to your question, Tulip is closed January 1, 2 and 3. Reopening 4th.
Snow White mamasan just told me they are open as usual over the new year. She also said she is expecting new girls soon, maybe. Let's have some reports on them when they arrive.
Traditionally in China a naturally hairless pussy is a "white tiger" and fucking one will bring bad luck.
Many years ago a mamasan in Cambo said that many Asian men consider "bald tiger" to be a sign of ill health.
LittleBigMan
12-31-17, 01:49
Traditionally in China a naturally hairless pussy is a "white tiger" and fucking one will bring bad luck.Now that explains my problems? Will have to counter with some snake dick, blood and some aged whiskey.
Hi guys,
I was wondering, what the mongering opportunities are along Sukhumvit, beyond ThongLo.
Surely, Tulip cannot be the last outpost for bliss before Terra Incognita.
The BTS goes to Bearing and beyond, so surely there must be places to relax along the way.
Can anyone please report?
Happy New Year to you all!
DS.
Christian G
12-31-17, 11:01
Hi guys,
I was wondering, what the mongering opportunities are along Sukhumvit, beyond ThongLo.
Surely, Tulip cannot be the last outpost for bliss before Terra Incognita.
The BTS goes to Bearing and beyond, so surely there must be places to relax along the way.
Can anyone please report?
Happy New Year to you all!
DS.You could check soi 103 (Udom Suk BTS station).
Pardon the typos. I am on mobile and won't take the time to correct my fat thumb typing.
A page or two back someone posted the Hera's massage link and people wanted feedback. This is my experience.
I made an appointment via Line app with Mew at 3 pm. The place seems a bit pricey. 2700 baht for two hours with the big jacuzzi room. All inclusive (I tipped 300 to make it 3000 baht even. Ouch).
The facilities themselves are nice. New place and everything is looking as such. I bet you can get a lineup, as the girls are all in a room behind the front desk. I walked by and the door is wide open with 10 girls or so. Some young hotties.
If you want specific girls from the website, they have pics. Make an appointment. But from the looks you will be fine just dropping in.
Mew herself- that's her in the pics. Photoshopped / heavy makeup on the face to hide some you g girl blemishes, and the pics are lightened slightly do she doesn't look as dark as she really is. Overall pretty accurate. I also ran into another girl I noticed from the gallery. Accurate enough that I recognized her.
Service: pretty sure this is a one pop shop. They bring one condom only. You get in the tub together, wash up, get a BJ, then move to the bed for more.
My time with Mew went super off script and I am 100% very different than other people (I paod for the gel massage but skipped it. She was going to BJ tease then body massage then FS I think. I got excited and skipped the massage. After we were cuddling and she did the "ow" on her neck and shoulder. So, long story short, I gave HER a 45 minute deep tissue massage on exchange for fucking a second time. Not GFE at all, but a really funny sweet girl. Very little English. Very. Unusual experience but I enjoyed it. Not something ID usually do but I really enjoyed massaging her beautiful lady.
So, all in all, one pop massage so keep that in mind when looking at your time. No CIM but I didn't ask. Might get that from some girls. If Mew don't expect kissing and such, though she gives a great BJ. If you are 6+ inches go with someone else though. I am 7 inches and was being gentle and fucked her up. I asked for doggy and the look of fear. Hahaha. Not magnum approved. Not even close.
I might go back and try someone else tomorrow. Might hit Mew again after shaving and see if she is more receptive to kissing (she hates facial hair). I dunno why. But I want to see if I can make her GFE. I'm an idiot.
You could check soi 103 (Udom Suk BTS station).I go shopping in the makro on that road sometimes and don't think there's much worth seeing that isn't in any Thai neighbourhood. The place labelled Life on that map is opposite makro and doesn't look like a p4p place at all. Seems to be a normal health, fitness and spa venue but you never know in Thailand. In other areas of Bangkok I haven't found the karaoke places to be at all welcoming so good luck if you're planning to give them a go.
Crocodilexp
12-31-17, 21:47
Mango has posted their schedule; closed the 29th through the 31st and Cherry; 30th through the 1st. Anyone know about SW, Tulip, or Boss?Is Boss massage proper PSE like Snow White (multiple shots included by default, A+ from specific providers)?
Pardon the typos. I am on mobile and won't take the time to correct my fat thumb typing.
A page or two back someone posted the Hera's massage link and people wanted feedback. This is my experience.
I made an appointment via Line app with Mew at 3 pm. The place seems a bit pricey. 2700 baht for two hours with the big jacuzzi room. All inclusive (I tipped 300 to make it 3000 baht even. Ouch).
The facilities themselves are nice. New place and everything is looking as such. I bet you can get a lineup, as the girls are all in a room behind the front desk. I walked by and the door is wide open with 10 girls or so. Some young hotties.
If you want specific girls from the website, they have pics. Make an appointment. But from the looks you will be fine just dropping in.
Mew herself- that's her in the pics. Photoshopped / heavy makeup on the face to hide some you g girl blemishes, and the pics are lightened slightly do she doesn't look as dark as she really is. Overall pretty accurate. I also ran into another girl I noticed from the gallery. Accurate enough that I recognized her.
Service: pretty sure this is a one pop shop. They bring one condom only. You get in the tub together, wash up, get a BJ, then move to the bed for more.
My time with Mew went super off script and I am 100% very different than other people (I paod for the gel massage but skipped it. She was going to BJ tease then body massage then FS I think. I got excited and skipped the massage. After we were cuddling and she did the "ow" on her neck and shoulder. So, long story short, I gave HER a 45 minute deep tissue massage on exchange for fucking a second time. Not GFE at all, but a really funny sweet girl. Very little English. Very. Unusual experience but I enjoyed it. Not something ID usually do but I really enjoyed massaging her beautiful lady.
So, all in all, one pop massage so keep that in mind when looking at your time. No CIM but I didn't ask. Might get that from some girls. If Mew don't expect kissing and such, though she gives a great BJ. If you are 6+ inches go with someone else though. I am 7 inches and was being gentle and fucked her up. I asked for doggy and the look of fear. Hahaha. Not magnum approved. Not even close.
I might go back and try someone else tomorrow. Might hit Mew again after shaving and see if she is more receptive to kissing (she hates facial hair). I dunno why. But I want to see if I can make her GFE. I'm an idiot. Hera's Massage appears to be in the 3rd sub soi to the right in Sukhumvit Soi 33. Wow open till 2 AM. That could be useful.
http://www.herasmassagebkk.com/index.aspx?pid=8a14b44a-db99-4e9d-8765-68afe3acbfed
Hera should be pronounced like Hair-RAH, with emphasis on 2nd syllable based on the Thai script name.
The lineup on website looks quite high standard (even allowing for photoshopping). Not all girls are good looking naturally. LOL Could be no stunners at all in reality, however, I especially like the AFF look, despite suspect nose. "AFF" is not pronounable in Thai, so will be interesting to see how they pronounce it. LOL Perhaps like "App". "Mew" is probably not quite my spec. I would probably like Jenny if her tit job was more subtle (and nose job). Several girls look possibly passable to me if at all like the photos.
You made a couple of strange comments. "and I am 100% very different than other people". Not very clear what you are trying to say here. I doubt anyone is 100% unique, and it is hard to know what other customers are really like.
What does this mean: "After we were cuddling and she did the "ow" on her neck and shoulder. "? Perhaps "ow" is a Typo?
I don't see how a massage for her is an exchange for a 2nd pop, really. If she really liked you, it might have been more GFE. Generally massages for the girl are somewhat of a method to waste time, from my personal perspective. You would have to be exceptionally good for her to be really throwing in extra pops for no other reason. I prefer to waste my time with DATY. LOL I am willing to give girls a short massage if I really like them and would have been resting anyway. The girl could get a friend to massage her in between customers. So I don't like to chew up too much session time. I take your point though, that massaging the girl can be very enjoyable if she has such a great body (for a short time).
I agree that many girls do not like a brissly face, and some complain strongly about it. Some girls have lips and pussies that can get irritated quite easily. Even the redness from it can be seen. Some guys think a 3 day growth looks sexy, but really many girls don't like it, and even a 1 day growth is not a good idea. I always try to take a very thorough shave before visiting an MP to maximise chance that girl will not have adverse reaction to the feel of my face during kissing and DATY.
Pardon the typos. I am on mobile and won't take the time to correct my fat thumb typing.
A page or two back someone posted the Hera's massage link and people wanted feedback. This is my experience.
I made an appointment via Line app with Mew at 3 pm. The place seems a bit pricey. 2700 baht for two hours with the big jacuzzi room. All inclusive (I tipped 300 to make it 3000 baht even. Ouch).
The facilities themselves are nice. New place and everything is looking as such. I bet you can get a lineup, as the girls are all in a room behind the front desk. I walked by and the door is wide open with 10 girls or so. Some young hotties.
If you want specific girls from the website, they have pics. Make an appointment. But from the looks you will be fine just dropping in.
Mew herself- that's her in the pics. Photoshopped / heavy makeup on the face to hide some you g girl blemishes, and the pics are lightened slightly do she doesn't look as dark as she really is. Overall pretty accurate. I also ran into another girl I noticed from the gallery. Accurate enough that I recognized her.
Service: pretty sure this is a one pop shop. They bring one condom only. You get in the tub together, wash up, get a BJ, then move to the bed for more.receptive to kissing (she hates facial hair). I dunno why. But I want to see if I can make her GFE. I'm an idiot.You got there before me.
Now I'm on the fence about a visit. I'm still tempted to check OT out, maybe with Mew, but spending another 750 it seems someone like Cake is available for 2 hrs via Smoochi.
If I don't get to this place, SWhite seems a better bet, based on my reading here.
Cheers for the report.
Mew herself- that's her in the pics. Photoshopped / heavy makeup on the face to hide some you g girl blemishes, and the pics are lightened slightly do she doesn't look as dark as she really is. Overall pretty accurate. I also ran into another girl I noticed from the gallery. Accurate enough that I recognized her.I assume she's one of the girls with the babies because I asked to see all the baby free girls and she wasn't one of them. All of the rooms were empty at the time so she wasn't busy. Did she have much baby damage?
On the website there was also a free upgrade room promotion until the 31st of December but they obviously didn't give it to you.
Is Boss massage proper PSE like Snow White (multiple shots included by default, A+ from specific providers)?Boss kind of straddles the line between PSE shop and more Asian oriented shop. Gals run the gamut as to what they provide. There are cards on all the gals that tell what they do. If you like the looks of the gal then you can ask to see the card.
Boss kind of straddles the line between PSE shop and more Asian oriented shop. Gals run the gamut as to what they provide. There are cards on all the gals that tell what they do. If you like the looks of the gal then you can ask to see the card.Any decent A+ providers? I've never been into the shop because I thought they specialised in prostate massages or something.
Any decent A+ providers? I've never been into the shop because I thought they specialised in prostate massages or something.I believe there is one or two at the moment. It will list that service on the card. BTW, the cards also include comments written by customers. Rooms are also a bit nicer than the PSE shops if that makes a difference to you.
I believe there is one or two at the moment. It will list that service on the card. BTW, the cards also include comments written by customers. Rooms are also a bit nicer than the PSE shops if that makes a difference to you.Don't know if she does A+ but I did a chic named AunAun there, she one of their main girls with big (I think natural) tits. Photo here the 14th girl:
http://thai-how.com/castlist?id=7929
She got super wet in doggy.
Did her late at night for 1 hour so only 1 shot, not sure about multishot. She also was not fan of DATY but was a good bang nonetheless due to her eagerness / wetness.
Was meaning to go back and try Maki, as young thin girl (photo 10).
Hello fellow mongers! I was an avid global monger (and a decent poster on ISG) in my day. I am no longer either, unfortunately, due to personal preferences, but I'll be visiting LOS shortly and was hoping to partake some great massage that blends in some play with the *right* areas. I believe (and regularly experience) that a lot of fun can be had without sucking or fucking if the provider is skilled and that is what all I'm looking for. Will try the old faithful Rin if she's still there at Hana. But my question is are there any places that offer a great massage with happy ending? Better yet with four hands? Old Barons providers had the skill level (although at the time I used to partake FS which was quite exquisite there). I will separately also go to traditional Thai places, but that's different. Hi.
Hello fellow mongers! I was an avid global monger (and a decent poster on ISG) in my day. I am no longer either, unfortunately, due to personal preferences, but I'll be visiting LOS shortly and was hoping to partake some great massage that blends in some play with the *right* areas. I believe (and regularly experience) that a lot of fun can be had without sucking or fucking if the provider is skilled and that is what all I'm looking for. Will try the old faithful Rin if she's still there at Hana. But my question is are there any places that offer a great massage with happy ending? Better yet with four hands? Old Barons providers had the skill level (although at the time I used to partake FS which was quite exquisite there). I will separately also go to traditional Thai places, but that's different. Hi.China has much better providers for this kind of long lasting quality massage ending up with a happy ending.
In BKK I'd go with either Akane or Honeybeemassage. But don't expect too much in terms of "quality massage" as its very unequal based on the provider at HoneyBee.
If you want good looking providers you can try Kapoo joints, but from what I tried, the providers are usually very unexperienced from the few places I tried.
Its rather surprising that BKK can not reliably mix high quality massage (as you get them in several veggie joints) with quality erotic happy ending from a good looking early 20s provider.
In Shanghai (and several other places in China) it's not uncommon for ok to good looking early 20s massage girls working in legit shops shifting to happy ending shops. And thats of course where you get the best of both worlds.
Hi Sinufaguo thanks for your thoughtful response. I'll try those. Two questions if you don't mind.
1. Somewhat surprised you didn't mention Mitu. There seems to be not a lot of what I'm looking for in bkk (as you mention in your post), but Mitu is a name that's been mentioned by others.
2- where do you get this in Shanghai? I tried the corner massage places and they steadfastly refused to go where I wanted them to go.
Happy to contact you on PM if that's better.
Thanks a lot. Much appreciated!
I flew into Bangkok on December 23rd and decided on a quick stop in Snow White before heading to Pattaya.
I arrived in Snow White at about 1600 and there was a line up of about 8 girls of which about 4 were quite do-able.
I asked the line up, "boom boom toot, lang lang, krie dai, khrap" - "who can take a hard ass fucking", Nearly all the girls put their hands up and I chose Audi and Aom, I don't remember the financial damage. Audi has a pretty face but some pretty heavy baby damahge. I think Aom is quite cute although carrying a few pounds, She is very pale skinned, I asked her if she was from Chiang Mai/Rai but she is from Isaan.
In the room, There was no messing, straight down to action. Aom got on her knees and started sucking my cock, I have had a lot of BJs in my life but this was a little special. Aom is the first girl I have ever met that can take my full length without gagging. I started to fuck her throat and could actually feel my cock pushing down the back of her throat and through into a soft velvety area behind, tI was glorious but the amazing bit was there was no complaint or pushback from her, She seemed quite happy there with my cock rammed down her throat. I then fucked Aom in the ass, Again she was quite happy and very submissive, Let me pound away at her ass for 10-15 minutes. I then switched to Audi, I found the baby damage offputting, Her BJ was not in the same class as Aom and my cock went up her ass far too easy. I decided to finish with Aom, I stuck my cock down her throat again and ejacualted straight down her throat, She drank the lot.
Aom. Looks 6/10, performance 10/10.
Audo. Looks 5/10, performance 6/10.
Hi Sinufaguo thanks for your thoughtful response. I'll try those. Two questions if you don't mind.
1. Somewhat surprised you didn't mention Mitu. There seems to be not a lot of what I'm looking for in bkk (as you mention in your post), but Mitu is a name that's been mentioned by others.
Hah I had 3 experiences with Mitu. Its much more expansive than in most other places but this I wouldn't mind if it was much better.
The problem is its over rated:
- Girls aren't that good looking (pics are as fake as with other places).
- Some have good massage skills but out of 3 attemps 1 had 1 good massage, 1 average, 1 bad. The bad happened to be from an expensive girl (Platinum or whatever was their ranking).
Its sad really because Thailand can provide you with awesome legit massage, its surprising getting one is a non legit joint can be so hard.
- They don't understand why someone would want to have only HJ and no sex, takes a lot of explanation... I guess its prolly linked to point number 2, they don't want to give long massage as they get tired.
Hi Sinufaguo thanks for your thoughtful response. I'll try those. Two questions if you don't mind.
2- where do you get this in Shanghai? I tried the corner massage places and they steadfastly refused to go where I wanted them to go.
Drop me a PM next time you come to shanghai I'll give you updated addresses.
I decided to finish with Aom, I stuck my cock down her throat again and ejacualted straight down her throat, She drank the lot.
Aom. Looks 6/10, performance 10/10.
Audo. Looks 5/10, performance 6/10.Aom is only one better than Audi in looks. Does that mean her baby damage is bad too? Her deep throating skills sound great and her face is nice enough but I don't want some off putting body.
Aom is only one better than Audi in looks. Does that mean her baby damage is bad too? Her deep throating skills sound great and her face is nice enough but I don't want some off putting body.Aom is a little plump, If she was a bit slimmer, I may give her an 8. Aom's baby damage is not in the same league as Audi's.
Aom is a little plump, If she was a bit slimmer, I may give her an 8. Aom's baby damage is not in the same league as Audi's.I've been with Aom as well. She aims to please and the damage is not all that bad, but I would not consider her a looker. I did not repeat. I know that I am limiting myself but from now on, with the exception of one or two I have know for a longtime, I'm not going to take gals who have kids.
Boss kind of straddles the line between PSE shop and more Asian oriented shop. Gals run the gamut as to what they provide. There are cards on all the gals that tell what they do. If you like the looks of the gal then you can ask to see the card.Has this place changed? I used to go there sometimes purely due to having some prettier skinny girls at the time, but never got any impression of PSE. I have not been for well over a year maybe 2.
Don't know if she does A+ but I did a chic named AunAun there, she one of their main girls with big (I think natural) tits. Photo here the 14th girl:
http://thai-how.com/castlist?id=7929
She got super wet in doggy.
Did her late at night for 1 hour so only 1 shot, not sure about multishot. She also was not fan of DATY but was a good bang nonetheless due to her eagerness / wetness.
Was meaning to go back and try Maki, as young thin girl (photo 10).Maki is my taste also in the pics. Although I used to be a customer of Boss, I don't know any of the currently pictured girls.
Member #4698
01-07-18, 15:09
Boss Massage:
I had very good experiences the last 3 or 4 times I visited Boss. While I can't rate any of the Boss girls I have ever seen in the flesh as anything close to a stunner and I would have to rate my two as having solid 5. 5 * faces in addition to their having a very sexy overall appearance featuring petite natural breasts and tight little, no fat bodies. I don't know if they exactly qualify as porn stars either, but more importantly to me, my 2 Boss girls were super enthusiastic throughout our sessions and I went back to Boss and purposefully repeated with one of them. I therefore think Boss is a good place to go in the afternoon as long as you do not demand too much in the facial department, but want to have a good time with a nice undamaged girl.
Honey Bee (Passion) Massage:
Along similar lines I also had a good time in Honey Bee Massage off Soi 22 one afternoon. Actually, after I stumbled into their shop quite by accident on one of my afternoon walkabouts, the mamasan called a lineup of all the girls in the three shops on Soi 22 under her management. I ended up choosing the prettiest girl in the lineup, perhaps the only doable girl in the lineup - ha ha - an Issan girl from Passion Massage who was 26 and surprised me with her perky tits and flat little tummy when she was fully disrobed. Never had kids, Luna sure worked overtime to give me a very satisfying, passionate afternoon good time. I would have happily repeated with her again, but I never found the time to go back and say Hello. Ah, but that's BKK!
Tried 101 Premier near Soi 26 and found the quality and service of girls to be too good. Good value for money. Can't expect the room ambience to be like that of Lords, bit instead of paying 4 to 5 K BHT, you can almost get a similar type girls and similar good service for 2.2 K BHT here. If ambience is not a constraint and if you are looking for value money, then this place is quite ideal. They have lot of collections (they in fact maintain a booklet. LOL). I have observed they have more options in the evenings.
Tried 101 Premier near Soi 26 and found the quality and service of girls to be too good. Good value for money. Can't expect the room ambience to be like that of Lords, bit instead of paying 4 to 5 K BHT, you can almost get a similar type girls and similar good service for 2.2 K BHT here. If ambience is not a constraint and if you are looking for value money, then this place is quite ideal. They have lot of collections (they in fact maintain a booklet. LOL). I have observed they have more options in the evenings.Thanks for the report. Could you elaborate a bit more on the service? I am sure A+ is not on the menu, and that is ok. How about DFK, BBBJ, CIM, rimming, and multiple shots? Thanks. I'm certainly on the lookout for new venues.
Crocodilexp
01-11-18, 07:37
Boss kind of straddles the line between PSE shop and more Asian oriented shop. Gals run the gamut as to what they provide. There are cards on all the gals that tell what they do. If you like the looks of the gal then you can ask to see the card.Good description, thank you.
Went and tried Boss for the first time. I tend to stick to the handful of known PSE places, since I consider 2100+ baht a bit steep for a typical one-and-done "massage" with unknown service quality. Boss provides a bit more than that and is transparent about their practices.
Choosing process is pleasant, you get to both look at the cards (slightly confusing), and see the girls in a lineup, without the usual time pressure. Not always easy to match up a card to a girl, but the mamasan is friendly and will help. They have 2 girls doing A+, but neither of them looked all that great. Other things listed on the card are whether a girl does 2 shots, kisses on the mouth, does cum-in-mouth BJ and such. Bit of a bummer that most of these are not standard, as they are in PSE oilies, but the ambience is nicer, and the girls a notch prettier, so it's OK. The room I had looked new, clean and pleasant, a step up from the usual.
Took Mona, a decent looking 24-year-old, slim, 45 kg, all natural, no tattoos. Her card promises 2 shots, BBBJ, (no DFK, no A+), she delivered on that minimum, and was polite and friendly enough, did a decent BBBJ and took a rather long pounding without complaint, but a bit too shy and not all-out naughty like girls at Tulip or Snow White, nothing special. Decent experience for the money, mostly due to her looks, though I doubt I'll repeat with her. Will try Boss again, though, in this day and age it's OK value (2 shots in a nice room), mostly due to complete lack of decent lookers at real PSE places.
Hi guys.
Has anyone had a session with Nana at club 102 lately?
When I was there last year around March or April, I found her in club 102 and I had a very good session with her. Then twice When I came back to Bangkok, I tried to take her, she was not present. I do not know if she is still working there. I Tried to find out, but I didn't get a reply.
I was wondering if she is still working there.
PartyAnimal
01-11-18, 12:32
Anyone had any experience in 4/5 star hotel spa?
Arrived in Bangkok last night after a long travel day and got to the hotel on Soi 26 around 2300. Really just wanted a nice massage + and had seen the comments about Snow White and Boss so headed up the street to check them out. Decided on Snow White, can't really say why, and walked in at about 2320 L.
I asked for the nuru massage, and the mamasan quoted me 2200 baht for 1 hour with boom boom. I hesitated while my tired old brain tried to calculate the exchange, and she must have thought I was reconsidering, so she lowered the price to 2000. She walked me into the choosing room, where 5 ladies were available. One was very nice looking and thin but didn't smile at all, one had a nice big rack, but that's not really my thing; two others looked okay, but there was one that was all smiles on a very pretty face and looked like she had a good thin body.
I took the smiley one whose name was Sunny, and it turned out she's 30 y / o and has an oversized ass and quite a bit of baby damage to her tummy and tits. But her attitude completely made up for it. Normal shower process with lots of play and she really liked rubbing her ass on me, but then as soon as I was on the bed, she jumped right into BBBJ and swung around for 69. It'd been a while for me and I finished pretty quickly CIM. However, she wanted more, so I got her to give me a very good massage while I rebooted, and then she took a long hard pounding for a second pop. We showered up and looked at the time and it was after 0115!! When we got downstairs, mamasan wanted 200 baht extra for having to wait up for us past closing time, which put me back to the original 2200 but I got 2 hours and 2 pops for it, so fine by me. But I never got the nuru part, which I'm not sure how they'd've done in that room anyway.
Sunny was super sweet and positive throughout. Like I said, her attitude made the session a joy, in spite of her body. Had I first seen her in a bikini, I likely wouldn't have picked her, but in the end, it was all good.
Going to try Boss tonight, then heading to Hua Hin tomorrow.
Tried 101 Premier near Soi 26 and found the quality and service of girls to be too good. Good value for money. Can't expect the room ambience to be like that of Lords, bit instead of paying 4 to 5 K BHT, you can almost get a similar type girls and similar good service for 2.2 K BHT here. If ambience is not a constraint and if you are looking for value money, then this place is quite ideal. They have lot of collections (they in fact maintain a booklet. LOL). I have observed they have more options in the evenings.That's a goldmine out there!
We showered up and looked at the time and it was after 0115!! When we got downstairs, mamasan wanted 200 baht extra for having to wait up for us past closing time, which put me back to the original 2200 but I got 2 hours and 2 pops for it, so fine by me. But I never got the nuru part, which I'm not sure how they'd've done in that room anyway.
Sunny was super sweet and positive throughout. Like I said, her attitude made the session a joy, in spite of her body. Had I first seen her in a bikini, I likely wouldn't have picked her, but in the end, it was all good.
Going to try Boss tonight, then heading to Hua Hin tomorrow.2200 is the correct price for a one-hour nuru massage at Snow White. 2 hours for a non nuru massage should have been 2300 baht. Anyway I'm glad you had a good time.
Gannaton48
01-12-18, 22:55
Hi guys.
Has anyone had a session with Nana at club 102 lately?
When I was there last year around March or April, I found her in club 102 and I had a very good session with her. Then twice When I came back to Bangkok, I tried to take her, she was not present. I do not know if she is still working there. I Tried to find out, but I didn't get a reply.
I was wondering if she is still working there.I am french and spoke some weeks ago with the owner who is a french guy. He told me that about 300 girls pass in his club each year, gives you an idea about the turnover. Many leave for long time, or private, or marriage (with customers and don't come back, many leave because they don't get clients, some are fired. So little chance to find the same girl twice.
Another massage parlour closed down. This time it's Victoria's Secret, which doesn't really surprise me as the nearby Catherine massage seems to have the same issues. Seems most of them have either legal issues, low quality women or the farang surcharge rip-off right now so best stick with the oilies.
https://m.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1394850/massage-den-raid-rescues-80-women
I am french and spoke some weeks ago with the owner who is a french guy. He told me that about 300 girls pass in his club each year, gives you an idea about the turnover. Many leave for long time, or private, or marriage (with customers and don't come back, many leave because they don't get clients, some are fired. So little chance to find the same girl twice.I understand.
Thanks for the info anyway.
I am interested to checkout 101 premier too.
I am french and spoke some weeks ago with the owner who is a french guy. He told me that about 300 girls pass in his club each year, gives you an idea about the turnover. Many leave for long time, or private, or marriage (with customers and don't come back, many leave because they don't get clients, some are fired. So little chance to find the same girl twice.Sounds like this guy was just bullshitting to big up his own club. 300 a year is almost a new girl every day which is totally unrealistic. Even a new girl a week is more than most of these places manage.
Sounds like this guy was just bullshitting to big up his own club. 300 a year is almost a new girl every day which is totally unrealistic. Even a new girl a week is more than most of these places manage.People exaggerate things now and then to boost business. We all know how it works, Its just best to ignore it. :)
Tried 101 Premier near Soi 26 and found the quality and service of girls to be too good. Good value for money. Can't expect the room ambience to be like that of Lords, bit instead of paying 4 to 5 K BHT, you can almost get a similar type girls and similar good service for 2.2 K BHT here. If ambience is not a constraint and if you are looking for value money, then this place is quite ideal. They have lot of collections (they in fact maintain a booklet. LOL). I have observed they have more options in the evenings.Can we see all the girls at one time or do we have to select through a catalogue?
Can we see all the girls at one time or do we have to select through a catalogue?I was required to look at a Catalog (maybe two years ago). There was only 1 or 2 girls I liked the look of, really, in the pics, and they were not there. I would be very surprised if there was even the slightest comparison to the Lord but I have not been recently. Caveat: I am very biased against surgery girls of course. I like natural beauties, or close enough to it.
Jimmy Boy 99
01-13-18, 14:47
Can we see all the girls at one time or do we have to select through a catalogue?On my visit last December, I asked for and got the full lineup presented. However, I did not see anyone I liked so I left. I would never choose a girl based on a photo.
Undercoverh
01-14-18, 06:12
Location. Addict is located on soi 24 for actual directions and a map, check out their website at addictmassagebkk.
Price. The cost for one hour with one of the girls starts at 2000 baht.
Services. The service includes the girl washing you from head to toe. Bareback BJ. And full-service sex.
Number of girls available. I went through this past Friday night and there were about 35 girls that I counted. It's somewhat overwhelming to have all these women looking at you waiting for you to select one of them to have sex with. But that's the fun of going to these places. I've been at this place before about 8 months ago, then I remember there were about 45 to 50 girls.
Quality of women available. On my first trip to this brothel several months ago I noticed that there was a lot of younger white skinned girls. On this trip I noticed that there were less white skinned girls. However this might be due to my timing and of course if the place is popular guys will come earlier to get the best pickings. So that's understandable. However, my preference is white skin girls. Your preference may be something else, and that's fine. On this trip, I did notice that there was some nice looking brown skinned girls. It's worth noting that next to this brothel is another brothel called 102. They had about 20 girls sitting outside and some of them with brown skin look pretty sexy and hot. But I digress.
Overall rating. I would give this brothel a rating of 7 out of 10. That's because they have a lot of girls and the service is pretty good when you compare it to other massage parlors that charge a lot more particularly the bath massage parlors that are notorious for charging foreigners more and the service level is pretty poor. I particularly enjoyed this girl's bareback blowjob she was really into it. I think she was trying to get me to cum. She said that she was 21 years old and she was from Southern Thailand. She said her parents had both died and she was the one responsible for helping her younger sister go to school. I gave her a tip of 300 bought because she really provided pretty good service and she was cute and small and white skinned it with perky tits, just the way I like it.
Disclaimer. Note that these are my experiences and if you decide to go your experiences may be different. And of course, your experiences will be based on the girl you select. Sometimes I select girls that are looking at me and excited and seem like they want me to pick them. I normally have a better result but those type of girls. However, in the above situation I actually picked the girl that paid no attention to me. I did this because she had the look I wanted. Young, white skin, small and with a cute face. She remind me of the girls you see walking around in Bangkok getting on the BTS. Of course these girls never pay us any attention as if they act that we do not exist. So I was anxious to go to a massage parlor and find a similar girl to get her panties off and open her legs and suck her nipples and shoot my wad inside of her.
Bear in mind that many of the girls you see walking around in Bangkok don't want to be considered a prostitute, even if they are actually a prostitute. That's why you find many other girls walking around Bangkok not paying you any attention and acting as if you do not exist. But I assure you, a lot of the girls you see acting like this in Bangkok are prostitutes. Bangkok is full of them. Just in the oil massage department, there are at least 60 that I know of. That's 60 oil massage parlors. That's not even counting all the girls at soi cowboy or patpong or the freelancers. The bottom line is, I think you get the idea, there are tons of hookers im Bangkok and they're going to the store and shopping and going to the mall just like the other girls. So it's likely that during the day you will walk pass about 25 or so hookers and never know that they're actually a prostitute, even though they do not pay you any attention. But get them in the brothel and they will pay you all the attention you will want for the right price.
There are a few New brothels that I want to try that are in Bangkok. Once I visit them I will provide a review. One is called MoMo and another one is called Hera's. On their websites the girls look young and cute, just what I like! Note that some oil massage employee older Thai girls, sometimes in their 30s or 40s. For me, this is a waste of time. I like the oil massage girls who are between 18 and 21, maybe 23 max. That's what I search out and look for. Happy Hunting!
On my visit last December, I asked for and got the full lineup presented. However, I did not see anyone I liked so I left. I would never choose a girl based on a photo.That is a good info. I am glad you asked and they obliged.
Hi there, first time posting, lurker for some time.
Anyway I've been to Tulip about a year back and had a pretty good experience.
But my cup of tea has been mostly woman above 40 years and not fat (slim. Average).
I'm not picky about looks.
So far I haven't been able to find any massage places with full specials that have older MILFy masseurs / wl with great GFE.
I would be going in 2 months time, so if any seniors here can intro any I will sincerely appreciate.
Grandaddy Perp
01-15-18, 03:30
Bear in mind that many of the girls you see walking around in Bangkok don't want to be considered a prostitute, even if they are actually a prostitute. That's why you find many other girls walking around Bangkok not paying you any attention and acting as if you do not exist. But I assure you, a lot of the girls you see acting like this in Bangkok are prostitutes. Bangkok is full of them. Just in the oil massage department, there are at least 60 that I know of. That's 60 oil massage parlors. That's not even counting all the girls at soi cowboy or patpong or the freelancers. The bottom line is, I think you get the idea, there are tons of hookers im Bangkok and they're going to the store and shopping and going to the mall just like the other girls. So it's likely that during the day you will walk pass about 25 or so hookers and never know that they're actually a prostitute, even though they do not pay you any attention. But get them in the brothel and they will pay you all the attention you will want for the right price.Sorry, I can't say that when I see a pretty woman in Paragon or Terminal 21 that I immediately start crunching statistical data on the chances that she is a prostitute pretending to be a normal person but hey, we all need a hobby.
Crocodilexp
01-15-18, 08:10
Anyway I've been to Tulip about a year back and had a pretty good experience.
But my cup of tea has been mostly woman above 40 years and not fat (slim. Average).Tulip itself has a few, but they won't tell you.
Almost all the oilies have most girls well north of 35, with a few north of 40. Most oily girls might tell you they're 26 or 29, but they're probably a lot closer to 40 than 29.
One slightly out-of-the-way place to try for oldies is PP Massage (Sao Botan) on Rama VI Soi 13. Fishbowl type setup, and at 1000 baht / pop, you can't go too wrong.
Crocodilexp
01-15-18, 08:13
I am french and spoke some weeks ago with the owner who is a french guy. He told me that about 300 girls pass in his club each year, gives you an idea about the turnover. Many leave for long time, or private, or marriage (with customers and don't come back, many leave because they don't get clients, some are fired. So little chance to find the same girl twice.Anything close to that kind of turnover would indicate to me that something is deeply wrong about the establishment.
Almost all the oilies have most girls well north of 35, with a few north of 40. Most oily girls might tell you they're 26 or 29, but they're probably a lot closer to 40 than 29.
Almost all the Oilies? I think you exaggerate somewhat. Maybe you choose the wrong shops. All my current regular girls are well under 35. Okay My most experienced one that already retired is 33. My recent regular bargirls have been 21,23, etc. However I have been doing a lot less MP girls recently so point taken, a lot may be too old. Shops with a good mix of younger girls do exist. I haven't had a Tulip girl for years though. Snow White and Bongkot yes. Even my last Annies girl was well under 35 and good body (despite most being old). My last Loli-tas girl was early 20's. My last Mango girl (several months ago) may well have been over 35, but it is unusual for me to choose older girls simply because of their body deterioration. I did have a regular bargirl about aged 35 but her body was still superb. She disappeared a few months back.
I like experienced girls so I don't mind girls over 30 if they are still in good condition. I also like skinny to slim girls, so perhaps that is difficult to get for girls over 35.
My GF is 39 but way better shape than normal 39 YOs. Still has hot body. I can't step down to girls in crap condition. Under 25 YO girls can be perfect if they have already 7+ years of experience, don't smoke, etc.
What amazes me, is that some guys expect all girls to be the same price. I am prepared to pay more for a young enthusiastic girl with pretty face a really hot (slim) body and at least moderate skills. I don't want an old hag with crap body no matter how good her skills and how low her price. Just won't get the visual turn on.
A girl I fucked for many years is over 50 now or very late 40s. Body has declined a bit and face declined a lot. I am just not interested to do her any more for last few years. The competition is just to strong among younger hotter girls. So I have done a girl over 40 (that one) but never had a girl over 50 as yet. Yes I know some 50 year olds can be in good condition but probably not very many. Meanwhile 21 YO girls are very happy to have 60+ YO customers, and some even cum, especially if have not had a customer for several days (so bargirls moreso than MP girls). Surprisingly hookers that cum without great difficulty do exist.
I don't know about all you other mongers, but it is rare for me to take girls over 35, and even then they have to have a good to great body, and a pretty face.
Tulip itself has a few, but they won't tell you.
Almost all the oilies have most girls well north of 35, with a few north of 40. Most oily girls might tell you they're 26 or 29, but they're probably a lot closer to 40 than 29.
One slightly out-of-the-way place to try for oldies is PP Massage (Sao Botan) on Rama VI Soi 13. Fishbowl type setup, and at 1000 baht / pop, you can't go too wrong.The Tulip gal I was with changed her age from 28 to 33 and with kids nearer to the end of out session so I kinda understand.
But wow, is it that hard to find brothels, soapies or MP with older ladies? What happened to all of them?
Member #4698
01-15-18, 15:44
I don't know about all you other mongers, but it is rare for me to take girls over 35, and even then they have to have a good to great body, and a pretty face.For me they got to have a pretty face (that's #1), then good to great body (which means different things to differnet punters is #2). ! would estimate that 95% of my girls are well under 30 with the majority under 26.
But I have a dilema: my Mini is getting older! Boo hooo hoo. She will be 33 in March. Worse, she is putting on some weight! And although she is quite funny about it, for example she will come out of the bathroom stark naked and ask me, "Maak am I getting fat?" To which I will respond, "no Mini you are not getting fat. " And then she will say, "you are the only one who says that. " LOL. But the added weight seems to be all going to her thighs and when she brings up he weight issue I tell her she needs to cut out the Heinikens and Coke, but it goes in one ear and out the other.
The dilema is that while I really like Mini and have been shagging her since 2010, the truth is I don't know how much longer I can keep seeing her. 555. Shallow Natty.
Crazy4Thai
01-16-18, 05:11
The Tulip gal I was with changed her age from 28 to 33 and with kids nearer to the end of out session so I kinda understand.
But wow, is it that hard to find brothels, soapies or MP with older ladies? What happened to all of them?As said before they are there just not admitting to their age. Also the beer bars are full of them.
Can we see all the girls at one time or do we have to select through a catalogue?I went there twice and both the times I selected through catalogue. But you get what you see in catalogue. And I guess lineup of all girls may also be available on request, you may call and ask them.
Can we see all the girls at one time or do we have to select through a catalogue?At The Lord Palace, it is quite possible that the complete lineup is not available if you drop in randomly. When I visited, which was around 7-7.30 in the evening on a weekend, there was no XX category (top category) girl available. So, if that is the sort of thing that interests you, I would recommend going there beforehand and getting the requisite information from the staff and make arrangements based on that.
JohnEastBay
01-17-18, 16:37
Relatively new here. Will be in BKK this February. Staying near On Nut BTS. Any recommendations for for massage places that offer extras in around 30 minutes walking distance from On Nut?
Thanks a lot.
John.
Undercoverh
01-18-18, 03:14
From your comments, I can see that you are simply a Troll. I looked at some of your previous posts and all you were doing was trolling other members. Rather than spending your time trolling on this website, consider providing useful input for members to use. Otherwise, don't waste our time here with your useless and childish comments.
Sorry, I can't say that when I see a pretty woman in Paragon or Terminal 21 that I immediately start crunching statistical data on the chances that she is a prostitute pretending to be a normal person but hey, we all need a hobby.
Crazy4Thai
01-18-18, 04:51
Relatively new here. Will be in BKK this February. Staying near On Nut BTS. Any recommendations for for massage places that offer extras in around 30 minutes walking distance from On Nut?
Thanks a lot.
John.Why walk 30 minutes when you can ride BTS for 10 minutes? Many to choose from near Prom Pong station.
JohnEastBay
01-18-18, 09:19
Why walk 30 minutes when you can ride BTS for 10 minutes? Many to choose from near Prom Pong station.I guess I just didn't want to deal with BTS and wanted to find something close to where I stay. You are correct though, I should just go to Prom Pong.
Thank you for your suggestion.
John.
HornyBabaji
01-18-18, 16:37
It was me first trip to lords on Sunday afternoon, they showed me girls sitting on the main area and asked to select, meanwhile mamasan enquire is it first time here I told no, then he showed me price list and asked how much you paid, where it was super inflated m was around 9000 baht, I told I paid around 5000 baht last time. Then he asked me to select girl which I did and than went with him at payment counter where I was shown other price list, which was showing m category girl as 6500 baht. Paid 200 baht tip to mamasaan.
Girl was beautiful and had a good service, surprise that her pussy was tight, previously I had tried Poseidon and Amsterdam, but this is by far the best as far as attitude of girl and service is concerned.
Member #4531
01-19-18, 01:12
Paid 200 baht tip to mamasaan.Am I reading this right? They tried to rip you off and you tipped them? Why would you tip her anyway much less after she tried to rip you off?
Hera's Massage appears to be in the 3rd sub soi to the right in Sukhumvit Soi 33. Wow open till 2 AM. That could be useful.
http://www.herasmassagebkk.com/index.aspx?pid=8a14b44a-db99-4e9d-8765-68afe3acbfed
Hera should be pronounced like Hair-RAH, with emphasis on 2nd syllable based on the Thai script name.
The lineup on website looks quite high standard (even allowing for photoshopping). Not all girls are good looking naturally. LOL Could be no stunners at all in reality, however, I especially like the AFF look, despite suspect nose. "AFF" is not pronounable in Thai, so will be interesting to see how they pronounce it. LOL Perhaps like "App". "Mew" is probably not quite my spec. I would probably like Jenny if her tit job was more subtle (and nose job). Several girls look possibly passable to me if at all like the photos.
is not a good idea. I always try to take a very thorough shave before visiting an MP to maximise chance that girl will not have adverse reaction to the feel of my face during kissing and DATY.Was checking this website again today for a potential visit, when noticed that PP seems to have a bit of a faint moustache, or is photo playing tricks on me? Do any Thai girls have too much lip hair? I talk about mouth not pussy. LOL I probably never selected one before. I have seen girls with jet black hair on arms visible.
Girl was beautiful and had a good service, surprise that her pussy was tight, previously I had tried Poseidon and Amsterdam, but this is by far the best as far as attitude of girl and service is concerned.Does not mean that much to compare from different shops based on a small sample, since it is very girl dependent, unless you specify the girls. More meaningful to compare specific girls based on her number. I had one really great girl at Amsterdam (S33 long gone now) and rest were average to crappy. Same at most Soapy shops. Never found a soapy in recent years where girls were consistently great, in looks and standard of service. Actually Annies was above average service but below average looks. Only ever had one really bad girl at Annies, that made me angry, so that was low failure rate. No. 14 was girl I used most, that looks like a tomboy but good body and was quite GFE. I used number 24 Aor in former times.
I avoid Annies these days mainly due to the crap facilities.
So far only tried one Lord's girl that turned out quite disappointing, despite her good looks and very high price, lacking GFE. I will try again, although I suspect I am not the easiest to please, despite not wanting Porn Stars. I just want girls that seem enthusiastic, and are naturally stunning. LOL
20 years ago I used to have consistently good time at my favourite soapies, so don't know why that is not the case any more.
It was me first trip to lords on Sunday afternoon, they showed me girls sitting on the main area and asked to select, meanwhile mamasan enquire is it first time here I told no, then he showed me price list and asked how much you paid, where it was super inflated m was around 9000 baht, I told I paid around 5000 baht last time. Then he asked me to select girl which I did and than went with him at payment counter where I was shown other price list, which was showing m category girl as 6500 baht. Paid 200 baht tip to mamasaan.
Girl was beautiful and had a good service, surprise that her pussy was tight, previously I had tried Poseidon and Amsterdam, but this is by far the best as far as attitude of girl and service is concerned.For 200 USD plus the vagina better be able to snap open and shut and she better come through with and amazing bag of tricks, very well honed skill set, be insatiable, very pretty, and have a flawless body. 9000 Baht? That's just taking the pi $$.
Was checking this website again today for a potential visit, when noticed that PP seems to have a bit of a faint moustache, or is photo playing tricks on me? Do any Thai girls have too much lip hair? I talk about mouth not pussy. LOL I probably never selected one before. I have seen girls with jet black hair on arms visible.I have seen many Thai girls with excessive upper lip hair. I would say there is a small cottage industry devoted to helping girls hide, bleach or otherwise remove lip hair short of actually shaving it (where stubble will then appear and be felt) and the Thai market is no exception. You have probably had several Thai girls in your mongering career who would show signs of excessive lip hair if denied their usual devices and methods of dealing with it over a period of time. Of course, these days there is always laser hair removal. But that works best if the hair is black (no problem in Thailand) and the skin is quite light (often a problem in Thailand). Some girls are quite resistant to doing anything about it, too, and almost flaunt it, daring any man to mention it. We should like or love them just the way they are, you know. LOL.
There is a relatively new FL working Sukhumvit these days, think her name is Ann, who has on my closer inspection what appears to be a very prominent pencil thin mustache running across the top of her upper lip. Problem is she tends to stand in very dark areas of Sukhumvit where you might not see it unless you get her to move into the light. She is actually in pretty good shape with a firm, athletic body, no noticeable fat, I would guess mid-20's, has quite decent bone structure and I would say is passably do-able for the right price. But that pencil thin mustache is a total turn off and deal killer for me. BTW, that is not the case with every man. I almost mustered up the nerve to actually mention it to her and suggest she do something about it, she would certainly get more customers that way, since she makes a habit of flagging me as I pass by on Sukhumvit and she has otherwise made it known that whatever I wanted would be fine. But I haven't done it yet. And I just can't take her for ST either.
I think either PP has a definite "shadow" of upper lip hair (the term often used to describe the kind of hair that appears to be on her upper lip) or her photographer has done her no favors by lighting the shoot in such a way to strongly suggest she does.
lol. I almost forgot. One time I did muster up enough nerve to tell a girl I otherwise liked that she has a bit of a mustache and perhaps ought to do something about it. She bristled and said, "Hey! Some men like girls with facial hair!" I countered with, "Sure. But do you really want to be with men like that?" That didn't go over too well, either.
I have seen many Thai girls with excessive upper lip hair. I would say there is a small cottage industry devoted to helping girls hide, bleach or otherwise remove lip hair short of actually shaving it (where stubble will then appear and be felt) and the Thai market is no exception. You have probably had several Thai girls in your mongering career who would show signs of excessive lip hair if denied their usual devices and methods of dealing with it over a period of time. Of course, these days there is always laser hair removal. But that works best if the hair is black (no problem in Thailand) and the skin is quite light (often a problem in Thailand). Some girls are quite resistant to doing anything about it, too, and almost flaunt it, daring any man to mention it. We should like or love them just the way they are, you know. LOL.
There is a relatively new FL working Sukhumvit these days, think her name is Ann, who has on my closer inspection what appears to be a very prominent pencil thin mustache running across the top of her upper lip. Problem is she tends to stand in very dark areas of Sukhumvit where you might not see it unless you get her to move into the light. She is actually in pretty good shape with a firm, athletic body, no noticeable fat, I would guess mid-20's, has quite decent bone structure and I would say is passably do-able for the right price. But that pencil thin mustache is a total turn off and deal killer for me. BTW, that is not the case with every man. I almost mustered up the nerve to actually mention it to her and suggest she do something about it, she would certainly get more customers that way, since she makes a habit of flagging me as I pass by on Sukhumvit and she has otherwise made it known that whatever I wanted would be fine. But I haven't done it yet. And I just can't take her for ST either.
I think either PP has a definite "shadow" of upper lip hair (the term often used to describe the kind of hair that appears to be on her upper lip) or her photographer has done her no favors by lighting the shoot in such a way to strongly suggest she does.
lol. I almost forgot. One time I did muster up enough nerve to tell a girl I otherwise liked that she has a bit of a mustache and perhaps ought to do something about it. She bristled and said, "Hey! Some men like girls with facial hair!" I countered with, "Sure. But do you really want to be with men like that?" That didn't go over too well, either.555. Post of distinction. Yes, many Thai gals are hirsute. Most in the biz tend to take care of it, but jeez, I have seen an amazing amount of leg hair here during my tenure.
I went there twice and both the times I selected through catalogue. But you get what you see in catalogue. And I guess lineup of all girls may also be available on request, you may call and ask them.I checked out Premier 101 yesterday and the lineup looks nothing like their website, at least addict massage has girls who look a bit like what we see on their website, but 101 was disappointing.
555. Post of distinction. Yes, many Thai gals are hirsute. Most in the biz tend to take care of it, but jeez, I have seen an amazing amount of leg hair here during my tenure.Most of my Thai girls have had low body hair, so as not to notice anything, either naturally or by removal. My GF of 12 years has almost no hair on legs and arms at all. Does not have to remove. She does remove under arms, and pussy is naturally low on hair mostly above it (but is attended to).
I once had a GF (15 years ago) with noticeable arm hair, but I thought that was a bit abnormal. I also recall the odd girl with arms coming from nipples, but not many. I guess my experience is biased by subconsciously choosing very sleek smooth types of girls. Only met one girl in recent years with big Bush who was very new to P4 P scene. Her big fabulous tits more than made up for hairy puss, but I was intending to take her to Crazy House to see all the shaved pussy fashions, however she disappeared after police raids on the Cart Bars.
lol. I almost forgot. One time I did muster up enough nerve to tell a girl I otherwise liked that she has a bit of a mustache and perhaps ought to do something about it. She bristled and said, "Hey! Some men like girls with facial hair!" I countered with, "Sure. But do you really want to be with men like that?" That didn't go over too well, either.Thanks, that cracked me up a good deal. I do note that almost all Indians are pretty hairy including the girls, so maybe Indian guys don't mind Thai girls with a bit of body hair. I still prefer them like my GF with almost undetectable body hairs (very smooth).
With Farangs, thick brissly hairs growing out of moles on the face are a massive turn off, and I even found that pretty Italian girls with dark upper lip fuzz were compromised by it.
UShobbyist
01-19-18, 23:23
It was me first trip to lords on Sunday afternoon, they showed me girls sitting on the main area and asked to select, meanwhile mamasan enquire is it first time here I told no, then he showed me price list and asked how much you paid, where it was super inflated m was around 9000 baht, I told I paid around 5000 baht last time. Then he asked me to select girl which I did and than went with him at payment counter where I was shown other price list, which was showing m category girl as 6500 baht. Paid 200 baht tip to mamasaan.
Girl was beautiful and had a good service, surprise that her pussy was tight, previously I had tried Poseidon and Amsterdam, but this is by far the best as far as attitude of girl and service is concerned.Did you get body to body massage in Lord? Did you get CIM finish?
During my recent trip to Bangkok, I decided to go to my favorite place The Lord. It was 2 pm on Friday afternoon, and I was surprised to find that it was opened yet. I remember that in the past, it used to open at Noon. So I went to La Belle, which was open, but with only 5 girls, which were not to my taste. The mamasan told me to come back at around 6 pm. I decided to go for some foot massage around and shopping around until that time, and went again to The Lord. This time, I arrived at 6:30 pm and to my surprise, there were only 5 girls to choose from. The mamasan told me that today, there were not many girls working, and I did not like the line-up. I decided to go to one of my old favorite, Emmanuelle. When I entered and saw the line-up, I was amazed by the number of girls. At least 40 girls sitting there and smiling at me, and the price was from 2000 to 6100 baht, much cheaper than The Lord, with very good quality and much more choice. I chose one new girl that just arrived with model look at the highest price at 3400 baht. She told me it was her first day and I was her first customer in this establishment. Since I can converse in Thai, we had a good chat with her. She told me that there were some raids going on at the moment, and there were rumors that The Lord might be targeted. She said she was from the Lord, where her price tag was much higher, and she could earn more there, but did not feel safe to go there at this moment. That might explain why The Lord was quite empty and that a lot of girls might have moved to Emmanuelle which have strong connections in Thailand.
We had a good session, and she followed the procedures that I normally get at The Lord. At the end, I went out happy. And upon reaching the exit, I looked again at the line up, which was still a good one.
So being hungry, I went to a nearby street food restaurant, had a nice 3-meal with drink for only 140 baht and feeling horny again, I decided to go for a second session with Emmanuelle at 10 pm. The papasan was quite happy to see me again, and this time, the line-up was even bigger! Around 50 girls, with even better quality. This time, the M range was available, and they are the most expensive at 6100 baht. I saw 3 amazing girls and since it was around the cost of The Lord, I decided to go for one girl that had the look that I always dream about. Again, we had a very good session but also a nice chat. The girl was from Chiang Mai, very nice face, body shape, with perfect tits, all naturals. She also provided me a very good service, with BBBJ during the bath, we did various positions and I came out very happy!
So if you would like to get the service of The Lord with a cheaper price, but with more choices of girls, I would recommend Emmanuelle during this period. It might not last long, because once the rumors of raids go away, most of the nicest girls would probably return to The Lord.
The reason Emannuelle has a good selection these days is due to amalgamation with Amsterdam. The old Amsterdam lication shut down and they took over Emannuelle which was in decline at the time.
I found a cheap stunner skinny girl there last year but unfortunately was a bad choice. Luck of the draw.
Nice report on Emmanuelle. Do they still impose a surcharge for non-East Asians in that place?
JohnEastBay
01-20-18, 21:35
Why walk 30 minutes when you can ride BTS for 10 minutes? Many to choose from near Prom Pong station.Decided to stay next to Prom Pong BTS in Lotus hotel. Any suggestions for massage with extras nearby?
Thank you,
John.
The hotel is not upscale and is over priced in my opinion.
No CNN or BBC in the rooms. Old rooms, rundown.
As for massage and blowjobs there are heaps include the Japanese oriented BJ bar across the road and down a lane.
Decided to stay next to Prom Pong BTS in Lotus hotel. Any suggestions for massage with extras nearby?
Thank you,
John.
Nice report on Emmanuelle. Do they still impose a surcharge for non-East Asians in that place?Yes of course! All up scale Soapies charge Farang surcharge, excepting those in locations unlikely to get many farangs, I suspect. The budget type Soapies may not have Farang Surcharge.
Would be nice to hear any exceptions where up scale Soapy has no surcharge. Nataree used to one of course, but not in the up scale category. I guess budget places like Ocean, Mersi (Maxi), Nancy, Catherine, Meree, Evita, etc. have no surcharge.
Why walk 30 minutes when you can ride BTS for 10 minutes? Many to choose from near Prom Pong station.I live part time near to On Nut BTS. It is definitely not the right place to be for mongering. There some massage places not that far away, but I never tried them, and expected them to be very Thai oriented, even though I do speak Thai. It is definitely better to take BTS trip for mongering or if mongering full time, stay much closer to Phrom Phong and Asoke. Even very late at night, a taxi back to On Nut (when BTS closed) can have delays due to road work which has been going on for 2 to 3 years, and costs about 80 Baht.
No use for me to meet girls scared of Farang dick. I prefer girls that have mostly Farang customers, and even prefer them.
JohnEastBay
01-21-18, 22:27
The hotel is not upscale and is over priced in my opinion.
No CNN or BBC in the rooms. Old rooms, rundown.
As for massage and blowjobs there are heaps include the Japanese oriented BJ bar across the road and down a lane.Thank you for your response.
Next time will try to look for another hotel to stay.
Yes of course! All up scale Soapies charge Farang surcharge, excepting those in locations unlikely to get many farangs, I suspect. The budget type Soapies may not have Farang Surcharge.
Would be nice to hear any exceptions where up scale Soapy has no surcharge. Nataree used to one of course, but not in the up scale category. I guess budget places like Ocean, Mersi (Maxi), Nancy, Catherine, Meree, Evita, etc. have no surcharge.Many years ago I often went to Meree and Evita (aka Avita) to good results. Rather inexpensive (around 1200 or 1300 baht during their happy hours for regular girls; sidelines maybe four or five hundred more) and although there were some uglies, there also were some decent looking girls who typically gave good (but not PSE oily shop level) service. Always BBBJs for example, and reasonably friendly girls.
Has anyone visited these places recently? If so, how have they fared, and are they still decent? I also occasionally went to Nataree but the service was more variable there. As mentioned by Syzygies, none had a farang surcharge, which was one of the reasons I gave my business to them (farang surcharges really rub me the wrong way).
Crazy4Thai
01-22-18, 04:07
Decided to stay next to Prom Pong BTS in Lotus hotel. Any suggestions for massage with extras nearby?
Thank you,
John.I use not just google but google maps to find many things. Like hotels or massage shops. I searched on massage shops near Phrom Phong BTS. When results came up I clicked on Google Maps.
https://www.google.com.ph/maps/search/massage+shops+near+Phrom+Phong+BTS / at 13.7358266,100.5269663,13 z / data=!3 m1!4 b1.
You will see many. Now you have to research the name of the shop against the reports listed here in this forum. Use the search function and decide where to go. Snow White is popular as is Addicts or Club 101. It is a big world of massage. Why not go explore it and report back here to us of your findings?
JohnEastBay
01-22-18, 04:20
I use not just google but google maps to find many things. Like hotels or massage shops. I searched on massage shops near Phrom Phong BTS. When results came up I clicked on Google Maps.
https://www.google.com.ph/maps/search/massage+shops+near+Phrom+Phong+BTS / at 13.7358266,100.5269663,13 z / data=!3 m1!4 b1.
You will see many. Now you have to research the name of the shop against the reports listed here in this forum. Use the search function and decide where to go. Snow White is popular as is Addicts or Club 101. It is a big world of massage. Why not go explore it and report back here to us of your findings?Thanks!
I have been reading and will be checking out those 3. Will post reports after.
I appreciate all your help.
John.
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We had a good session, and she followed the procedures that I normally get at The Lord. At the end, I went out happy....
... I decided to go for a second session with Emmanuelle at 10 pm. .... The girl was from Chiang Mai, very nice face, body shape, with perfect tits, all naturals. She also provided me a very good service, with BBBJ during the bath, we did various positions and I came out very happy! ...
I think you bring up two good points in your post. One is that your experience depends on the lady and not on the establishment.
Which means that you should periodically check out all the new ladies at various establishments, rather than just limit yourself to one place. And if you especially like some hot lady, then it makes sense to get her contact details, so that you can follow her, when she moves from one place to another. Hot ladies in porn usually acquire a lot of fans. And I think it's the same for hot P4P ladies. There is nothing wrong with becoming the hot lady's fan, when you like her pussy and bum.
And the second point comes from the fact that you went out "happy" the first time, but on your second time you went out "very happy!" Your second experience was even better than the first.
Which isn't surprising. Because when you do two ladies on the same day, then you are bound to last longer with your second lady and nail her better than the first. This kind of thing can be expensive to do. And a cheaper way of doing it is to satisfy yourself with your hand at first, and then go to see the hot lady. This is actually a technique that some sex-therapists advise for guys, so that they will last longer with their ladies.
Crocodilexp
01-24-18, 12:04
I think you bring up two good points in your post. One is that your experience depends on the lady and not on the establishment.Yes, it's always YMMV and much depends on chemistry, but certain minimum standards do need to be set by the establishment. If Tulip can have clear and high minimum service standards at 2100 baht /90 min, I expect no less from places costing 3-5 times as much.
Yes, it's always YMMV and much depends on chemistry, but certain minimum standards do need to be set by the establishment. If Tulip can have clear and high minimum service standards at 2100 baht /90 min, I expect no less from places costing 3-5 times as much.The problem with setting high minimum standards is that such standards discourage women from doing P4P work. The higher standards you set, the fewer women you will have, and the higher price you will have to pay due to the shortage of willing women.
It's like in porn, many women start out doing soft-porn or lesbian porn, without actual intercourse. But over time they get experience and become comfortable with doing more hardcore stuff. And some of these women eventually start doing anal, gang-bangs, and DP's.
You need to have something like this in the P4P business too. Because if you set really high standards for women right from the time they start. Then this will likely discourage many women from even entering the business and doing this kind of work. You will end up with a shortage of women and very high prices. Which will also discourage guys. It would basically destroy the P4P market and make it a lot smaller.
And the reason why I say this is because Tulip ladies offer A+ service. Which isn't popular among Thai ladies. If you set A+ as a minimum standard for Thai P4P ladies, then you aren't going to have many ladies in the P4P business.
The problem with setting high minimum standards is that such standards discourage women from doing P4P work. The higher standards you set, the fewer women you will have, and the higher price you will have to pay due to the shortage of willing women.
It's like in porn, many women start out doing soft-porn or lesbian porn, without actual intercourse. But over time they get experience and become comfortable with doing more hardcore stuff. And some of these women eventually start doing anal, gang-bangs, and DP's.
You need to have something like this in the P4P business too. Because if you set really high standards for women right from the time they start. Then this will likely discourage many women from even entering the business and doing this kind of work. You will end up with a shortage of women and very high prices. Which will also discourage guys. It would basically destroy the P4P market and make it a lot smaller.
And the reason why I say this is because Tulip ladies offer A+ service. Which isn't popular among Thai ladies. If you set A+ as a minimum standard for Thai P4P ladies, then you aren't going to have many ladies in the P4P business.Christian just posted a stat sheet of a gal from Devil's Den in Pattaya. I wish all shops would adopt this format. It is perfect. Spells our exactly what the gal does and does not do. And to respond to your post above. I would rather keep higher standards. It's already expensive. I don't mind paying dearly for it if it is good. I have no problem with gals who really don't belong in the biz being turned off from the get go.
Yes, it's always YMMV and much depends on chemistry, but certain minimum standards do need to be set by the establishment. If Tulip can have clear and high minimum service standards at 2100 baht /90 min, I expect no less from places costing 3-5 times as much.Absolutely. Places charging upwards of 200 USD for regular service. No thanks. Don't care how good looking she is. Conversely, I would not pay that for a gal who was just a performer and not stunning. Again, I think there are vast differences in Asian vs Western P4 P expectations. If the Westerner is paying that, he expects looks and performance. We want a horny bombshell who will can't wait to pull down our pants and swallow our meat. For the Asian, it is mostly about looks and a demure attitude.
Hi guys,
Will be in BKK next month but unfortunately this trip I will be with the wife so not much time for mongering. We will be staying at Radisson Plaza near Asoke and if I can manage an hour or so alone would love to get quick service at massage or BJ bar that offers full service near to Radisson.
Can anyone recommend places near to my hotel? And how. Much for full service? Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Thanks guys.
I tried Boss for the first time today. The laminated card system isn't very useful, containing services I'm not interested in like service for couples. Anyway, I told the mamasan I wanted a girl with no baby and settled on Yuri, who she assured me had no baby. She's on the front cover of the magazine of this website:
http://thai-how.com/castlist?id=7929
She has nice slim legs and arms, silicone implants but quite a gut which I'm 99% sure is baby damage. Service was fine but it pisses me off when a mamasan bullshits like that so I won't be back.
Most of the BJ bars are a 10 min walk on the opposite side when you walk towards Nana ([CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, Soms Heaven, etc) and you will find oily massage places if you cross the road and walk towards Soi 24 , about 15 minutes by walk.
Hi guys,
Will be in BKK next month but unfortunately this trip I will be with the wife so not much time for mongering. We will be staying at Radisson Plaza near Asoke and if I can manage an hour or so alone would love to get quick service at massage or BJ bar that offers full service near to Radisson.
Can anyone recommend places near to my hotel? And how. Much for full service? Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Thanks guys.
Sorry if I upset you all I did was ask a little help, I never suggested I was special. Anyway sorry.
Hi guys!
Has anyone experienced any favorable 'outcomes' from airport transit area massage parlors?
Thanks.
Tried this oily on Soi24 , everything was available on the menu. The price quoted at the counter is 1900 Baht. Good place to visit post 4 PM as there would be many options to choose from.
Christian G
01-30-18, 22:47
Tried this oily on Soi24 , everything was available on the menu. The price quoted at the counter is 1900 Baht. Good place to visit post 4 PM as there would be many options to choose from.Everythings? So BBBJ, CIM, A+, multishots, etc are on the menu?
Tried this oily on Soi24 , everything was available on the menu. The price quoted at the counter is 1900 Baht. Good place to visit post 4 PM as there would be many options to choose from.There have been many reports on this place on this forum. Please include more details in your reports such as the name of the girl with a description of her and the services provided.
Name of shop with address and price is of no value.
I tried mentioning the name, it got deleted by the moderator, hence edited the report accordingly. I am also unable to upload any pics, don't understand why?
There have been many reports on this place on this forum. Please include more details in your reports such as the name of the girl with a description of her and the services provided.
Name of shop with address and price is of no value.
Yes I did multishots, BBBJ and CIM but did not ask for A+, heard some girls do offer if discussed in advance.
Everythings? So BBBJ, CIM, A+, multishots, etc are on the menu?
I tried mentioning the name, it got deleted by the moderator, hence edited the report accordingly. I am also unable to upload any pics, don't understand why?Mentioning names is no problem at all. There must be another reason why your post got deleted.
Banana Boi
01-31-18, 05:25
The name remains in the post. It's Orient Massage.
The name remains in the post. It's Orient Massage.Obviously we're talking about the name of the girl not the shop. We're not blind.
Robert Long
01-31-18, 07:19
Hi guys,
Will be in BKK next month but unfortunately this trip I will be with the wife so not much time for mongering. We will be staying at Radisson Plaza near Asoke and if I can manage an hour or so alone would love to get quick service at massage or BJ bar that offers full service near to Radisson.
Can anyone recommend places near to my hotel? And how. Much for full service? Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Thanks guys.Walk down Soi 19 past The Gaucho Resto and you will see a string of massage shops. They all do full service inside. Just tell them ahead of time and they will take care of you. Also across Suk Soi 18 has a couple of MP's and around the corner is Lo Li Ta's. That is across from Soi 11.
RL.
I tried Boss for the first time today. The laminated card system isn't very useful, containing services I'm not interested in like service for couples. Anyway, I told the mamasan I wanted a girl with no baby and settled on Yuri, who she assured me had no baby. She's on the front cover of the magazine of this website:
http://thai-how.com/castlist?id=7929
She has nice slim legs and arms, silicone implants but quite a gut which I'm 99% sure is baby damage. Service was fine but it pisses me off when a mamasan bullshits like that so I won't be back.Does Boss massage have a LINE account? If so, what's their ID?
Also across Suk Soi 18 has a couple of MP's and around the corner is Lo Li Ta's. That is across from Soi 11.
RL.That would be 8.
Deshpander
01-31-18, 14:52
Hi,
I am ISG user from last 3 years, would be visiting Bangkok and Pattaya in next couple of Days. Can someone please PM me any massage Shops, etc. Near Soi 7/1, or a walking distance from that location as visiting for the First time.
Does Boss massage have a LINE account? If so, what's their ID? What a bizarre first post. Why not just phone them up?
Mumbai Guy
02-01-18, 11:23
Hi,
I am ISG user from last 3 years, would be visiting Bangkok and Pattaya in next couple of Days. Can someone please PM me any massage Shops, etc. Near Soi 7/1, or a walking distance from that location as visiting for the First time.Reputed massage shops (Oilies) are all near Phrom Phong station which is just five minits by BTS from your location at soi 7/1. The only decent oily shop near soi 7/1 is bamboo massage on soi 8. If you want just any massage shop, there are plenty in lower sukhumvit.
There have been many reports on this place on this forum. Please include more details in your reports such as the name of the girl with a description of her and the services provided.
Name of shop with address and price is of no value.Her name was Cat (that's what she told me) and over all ok. She was pretty (to me) until she smiled she has some heavy braces. Had huge fake boobies but was lack luster in all aspects except rubbing me with the boobies. I've come to expect some amazing mic skills in Thailand and she simple did not measure up. Getting a blow job from her was sort of like sticking my dick in a cup of warm tea. Not an unpleasant sensation by any means but again, not really what I'm looking for in a blowjob. But she was pretty and my dick was in her mouth so it got hard enough to fuck her.
She was thin, with tits as big as my head, and long hair (extensions) to her ass, with a pretty face so I got to the finish line. I wouldn't repeat but I didn't regret it either.
Oh, she was at the Orient.
Candy: Cute little spinner who's eager to please and has no gag reflex.
I've seen her twice, she's a tiny little thing with a cute face. She has some fair baby damage but has used a few artfully placed tattoo's to conceal it but it's there if that's an issue. She also has zero boobage if that's a thing.
She speaks a little English, enough to get by and like I said in my case was eager to please. She has a little tuft of hair above her pussy and is responsive to DATY and vag play (or is a really good actor and that's just as good for me) In my case she was prefectly happy to park my dick in her throat and keep that up until I was ready to fuck. She took a pounding in the buck without any issues. Not only would I repeat but have.
Emma, Emmy something like that. Pretty, no kids, long hair, small but nice boobs. Sorta squishy ass.
Kinda is into gagging, keep stuffing my cock in her throat until she gagged like she did it a bunch but kept doing it until I was ready to fuck, then also took a pounding in the buck.
Afterwards had some funny stories, I was entertained. Especially the one about the "cheap charlie" that wouldn't even pay the 500 for a handjob and instead "made boom boom with the bed. ".
If I wouldn't have found Candy the second time I woulda repeated with Emma / Emmy whatever. Good value at 1900 for either.
Her name was Cat (that's what she told me) and over all ok. She was pretty (to me) until she smiled she has some heavy braces.
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She was thin, with tits as big as my head, and long hair (extensions) to her ass, with a pretty face so I got to the finish line. I wouldn't repeat but I didn't regret it either.
Oh, she was at the Orient.I've had a few girls from Orient over the years. It's the kind of place to go if you can't find anything better as you'll never get a particularly good or bad experience.
The girl you describe sounds quite tempting though.
In may I will have the opportunity to come back in Bangkok, last time few years ago, I have to put in place a budget, may I recap numbers I remember, and what I found in different threads:
For a massage parlour loke Mango or Cherry full service is 2000 tip + 800 average 2 hourse curse, of course if habby, but uisually I am; the whole night 5000 all inclusive (tip inside).
I'm pretty excited to come back, I will do more questions approaching to long awaited visit, please help.
Of course damages reported are average.
I sessioned with Candy last night based on positive report by Admin2. As was indicated in his post she is a cute spinner with a great attitude. Except for a of baby damage that she has tried to mask with a tat she has a cute body and nice smile. Session was fun. Her BBBJ skills are great, with attention to both balls and shaft. She was very responsive to DATY. FS was also hot, cycling through CG, Standing Ride, Standing Mish and RCG.
Her English is ok, so conversation was smooth. I may try her for a take out later this week.
I spent an hour with sunny at snow white. I'm kind of bored with tulip girls so had time to risk an hour with her.
To be brief, tight body for a 30+chick. Some clear baby damage but no gut. I felt her up in the shower and it was obviously loose but not a gut. Maybe wrinkled is the best way to describe her stomach area but not loose. Looks are pleasant but not super hot. She has a lithe body overall. Kids have done a number on her tits so they are deflated, but the rest of her is toned and fit. She kickboxing so her body is athletic and toned. I was happy with the body overall, a 7 or 8.
Sex was reasonably good. Not a complaint there. Not quite tulip standard but 69 on offer BBBJCIM finger in vagina and ass and I understand anal on offer but didn't partake. Missionary cowgirl standing doggy 69 were done well.
I couldn't cum with the rubber so she sucked me for ages till I blew in her mouth. My major downside was no DFK. This is a major let down for me, but I guess ymmv at the places like cherry snow white and mango much more than tulip.
I am tempted to bang her again next week to see if she improves but there are also lots of other options and I'm time poor next week.
You can see her photo on the snow white website they make her look older and dumpier than she is. Her body is tight.
Hi,
With all these reports (I've gone through the past 50 pages), it's pretty difficult to determine or compare girls and skills.
I'm big into tiny gals with DFK, and DATY, so which gals do you feel gives the best DFK and enjoy DATY the most in snow white?
On a side note, I'll probably try Rin at hana first and see if I can get her to offer FS (MILF / GILFs are my cup of tea), provided she's still slim. If Rin becomes impossible for me to stand, I'll drop by SW.
I Went to Poseidon today with a friend. The place has gone downhill very much. Avoid this place!
We had a lineup of about 20 girls, not a single one beautiful or above average. 5 or 6 were just ugly. 5 or 6 looked bored and uninterested, not even taking their eyes off their smartphones as we were choosing them. My wingman and I chose the least unattractive ones.
We paid 3300 bath for each girl. We chose a VIP room for each couple, an extra 400 bath. Payable in advance. Monger friends, please excuse me if I paid too much, but this is my first time in Thailand, we had just a litle time between business meetings, and I wanted a top level service.
In the room with my girl, things started to go wrong immediately. She did not let me touch her until she had prepared the room and the foam bath. At least 20 minutes, maybe more. Then she proceeded to clean me with soap even if I protested that I had taken a shower just before coming. Obviously trying to minimize her intimate time with me. OK, I agreed.
I proposed her to do some sauna together, and she refused arguing that she did not like it. After a thorough mutual mouthwash, I tried to kiss her and she refused, so I did not insist.
She then started the blowjob (not covered), just licking and sucking the tip of my penis. I motioned her to get deeper and she refused, 2 or 3 times. I tried to gently pull her by the back of her neck to come and suck me deeper, and she violently jerked backwards, complaining that I hurt her and that she was in pain. I apologized.
Then she proceeded to lick my nipples in a mechanical manner.
As she was sucking me, I reached for her pussy and tried to caress it. She pulled backwards so that I could not even touch it!
So I put an end to this miserable blowjob, and proceeded to take her in the missionary position. As I tried to kiss her neck or ears, she complained that I could not do this. So I turned her over and took her doggy style. She complained that my dick was too big and that it was hurting her. So I took her sideways. I tried to gently bite her shoulders and kiss her neck and again she complained.
I got fed up, and I told her to pack up and go. We were about in the middle of the hour and a half session. She was shocked, and obviously ashamed that a customer would kick her out before the end of the session. She packed her things very slowly, and I had to tell her several times to hurry up, as I wanted to enjoy the sauna.
Five minutes after she had left, the stupid doorman entered my room without even knocking on the door (there are no locks). As I was naked in front of him, so I pushed him out and closed the door. The bastard opened the door again without any respect for my privacy! So I pushed him out again complaining loudly of his behavior. Remember friends that I was in a VIP room. I banged the door closed in disapproval and he shouted some bad words at me that I did not understand. So I packed up and went downstairs to wait for my friend.
Once downstairs, in the entrance lobby, the doorman told me "sit here! I answered that I was not a dog, and that I preferred to stay standing up close to the lobby bar. He barked at me again and I answered back in return.
Then the Mamasan came, telling me that I had done violence to the girl, that she was afraid of me and that she was crying. The girl accused me of trying to choke her! I answered that this were lies, that I had actually treated the girl very gently (I am always very gentle with girls, hoping that I can get better service in return). Instead of trying to understand my point of view, the Mamasan just tried to accuse me.
At this moment, my partner arrived in the lobby. He was lucky to have had a better session than mine, but still quite mediocre. It was quite a disappointment for my friend too, as he previously had much better experiences in Thailand.
As a conclusion and advice to fellow mongers: please take off Poseidon from your list of places to go. It is one of the worst places I have been in my long monger career (see my old posts).
Regards to all.
PS. Same post in the Bangkok Reports, as it is relevant for both threads.
Shocking story about Poseidon and I sympathise with you but it was clearly a mistake to tell the girl to leave on her own because it gave her an opportunity to make up her excuses and make you look like the bad guy. If you have a problem with the girl you should always go straight down and tell whoever is in charge. If you'd told her earlier on that you were going to do that she might have suddenly changed her attitude. Still, good advice to avoid the place.
I am no expert on the soapies scene but based on user reports I decided to select only those girls who showed some interest when you are choosing them, where they make eye contact and smile. Now they can certainly feign it but I would rather take a chance than choose a girl who has a frown on her face. It worked out for me atleast during my last visit.
In some places like Honey 2, the models did not even bother to look at my direction which sucked but atleast I did not have a terrible experience.
We all have our bad moments, thanks for sharing!
I Went to Poseidon today with a friend. The place has gone downhill very much. Avoid this place!
We had a lineup of about 20 girls, not a single one beautiful or above average. 5 or 6 were just ugly. 5 or 6 looked bored and uninterested, not even taking their eyes off their smartphones as we were choosing them. My wingman and I chose the least unattractive ones.
We paid 3300 bath for each girl. We chose a VIP room for each couple, an extra 400 bath. Payable in advance. Monger friends, please excuse me if I paid too much, but this is my first time in Thailand, we had just a litle time between business meetings, and I wanted a top level service.
In the room with my girl, things started to go wrong immediately. She did not let me touch her until she had prepared the room and the foam bath. At least 20 minutes, maybe more. Then she proceeded to clean me with soap even if I protested that I had taken a shower just before coming. Obviously trying to minimize her intimate time with me. OK, I agreed.
I proposed her to do some sauna together, and she refused arguing that she did not like it. After a thorough mutual mouthwash, I tried to kiss her and she refused, so I did not insist.
She then started the blowjob (not covered), just licking and sucking the tip of my penis. I motioned her to get deeper and she refused, 2 or 3 times. I tried to gently pull her by the back of her neck to come and suck me deeper, and she violently jerked backwards, complaining that I hurt her and that she was in pain. I apologized.
Then she proceeded to lick my nipples in a mechanical manner.
As she was sucking me, I reached for her pussy and tried to caress it. She pulled backwards so that I could not even touch it!
So I put an end to this miserable blowjob, and proceeded to take her in the missionary position. As I tried to kiss her neck or ears, she complained that I could not do this. So I turned her over and took her doggy style. She complained that my dick was too big and that it was hurting her. So I took her sideways. I tried to gently bite her shoulders and kiss her neck and again she complained.
I got fed up, and I told her to pack up and go. We were about in the middle of the hour and a half session. She was shocked, and obviously ashamed that a customer would kick her out before the end of the session. She packed her things very slowly, and I had to tell her several times to hurry up, as I wanted to enjoy the sauna.
Five minutes after she had left, the stupid doorman entered my room without even knocking on the door (there are no locks). As I was naked in front of him, so I pushed him out and closed the door. The bastard opened the door again without any respect for my privacy! So I pushed him out again complaining loudly of his behavior. Remember friends that I was in a VIP room. I banged the door closed in disapproval and he shouted some bad words at me that I did not understand. So I packed up and went downstairs to wait for my friend.
Once downstairs, in the entrance lobby, the doorman told me "sit here! I answered that I was not a dog, and that I preferred to stay standing up close to the lobby bar. He barked at me again and I answered back in return.
Then the Mamasan came, telling me that I had done violence to the girl, that she was afraid of me and that she was crying. The girl accused me of trying to choke her! I answered that this were lies, that I had actually treated the girl very gently (I am always very gentle with girls, hoping that I can get better service in return). Instead of trying to understand my point of view, the Mamasan just tried to accuse me.
At this moment, my partner arrived in the lobby. He was lucky to have had a better session than mine, but still quite mediocre. It was quite a disappointment for my friend too, as he previously had much better experiences in Thailand.
As a conclusion and advice to fellow mongers: please take off Poseidon from your list of places to go. It is one of the worst places I have been in my long monger career (see my old posts).
Regards to all.
PS. Same post in the Bangkok Reports, as it is relevant for both threads.
I Went to Poseidon today with a friend. The place has gone downhill very much. Avoid this place!
We had a lineup of about 20 girls, not a single one beautiful or above average. 5 or 6 were just ugly. 5 or 6 looked bored and uninterested, not even taking their eyes off their smartphones as we were choosing them. My wingman and I chose the least unattractive ones.
We paid 3300 bath for each girl. We chose a VIP room for each couple, an extra 400 bath. Payable in advance. Monger friends, please excuse me if I paid too much, but this is my first time in Thailand, we had just a litle time between business meetings, and I wanted a top level service.
In the room with my girl, things started to go wrong immediately. She did not let me touch her until she had prepared the room and the foam bath. At least 20 minutes, maybe more. Then she proceeded to clean me with soap even if I protested that I had taken a shower just before coming. Obviously trying to minimize her intimate time with me. OK, I agreed.
I proposed her to do some sauna together, and she refused arguing that she did not like it. After a thorough mutual mouthwash, I tried to kiss her and she refused, so I did not insist.
She then started the blowjob (not covered), just licking and sucking the tip of my penis. I motioned her to get deeper and she refused, 2 or 3 times. I tried to gently pull her by the back of her neck to come and suck me deeper, and she violently jerked backwards, complaining that I hurt her and that she was in pain. I apologized.
Then she proceeded to lick my nipples in a mechanical manner.
As she was sucking me, I reached for her pussy and tried to caress it. She pulled backwards so that I could not even touch it!
So I put an end to this miserable blowjob, and proceeded to take her in the missionary position. As I tried to kiss her neck or ears, she complained that I could not do this. So I turned her over and took her doggy style. She complained that my dick was too big and that it was hurting her. So I took her sideways. I tried to gently bite her shoulders and kiss her neck and again she complained.
I got fed up, and I told her to pack up and go. We were about in the middle of the hour and a half session. She was shocked, and obviously ashamed that a customer would kick her out before the end of the session. She packed her things very slowly, and I had to tell her several times to hurry up, as I wanted to enjoy the sauna.
Five minutes after she had left, the stupid doorman entered my room without even knocking on the door (there are no locks). As I was naked in front of him, so I pushed him out and closed the door. The bastard opened the door again without any respect for my privacy! So I pushed him out again complaining loudly of his behavior. Remember friends that I was in a VIP room. I banged the door closed in disapproval and he shouted some bad words at me that I did not understand. So I packed up and went downstairs to wait for my friend.
Once downstairs, in the entrance lobby, the doorman told me "sit here! I answered that I was not a dog, and that I preferred to stay standing up close to the lobby bar. He barked at me again and I answered back in return.
Then the Mamasan came, telling me that I had done violence to the girl, that she was afraid of me and that she was crying. The girl accused me of trying to choke her! I answered that this were lies, that I had actually treated the girl very gently (I am always very gentle with girls, hoping that I can get better service in return). Instead of trying to understand my point of view, the Mamasan just tried to accuse me.
At this moment, my partner arrived in the lobby. He was lucky to have had a better session than mine, but still quite mediocre. It was quite a disappointment for my friend too, as he previously had much better experiences in Thailand.
As a conclusion and advice to fellow mongers: please take off Poseidon from your list of places to go. It is one of the worst places I have been in my long monger career (see my old posts).
Regards to all.
PS. Same post in the Bangkok Reports, as it is relevant for both threads.Whenever I get a very bad session I always try to get to management before the girl does. The version that's given first in these circumstances carries more weight. Also now, I never end a session with my dick in the girl in spite of her shenanigans, I just continue to bang her until I climax when its show's over. If because of her behavior I can't get an erection or she ends the session prematurely I ensure that I get to the mamasan before she does.
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