Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[Giotto]

Giotto,Love your euphemism man. Well if you check one out, I'll do the same and maybe that will be a start of something new.Run Mann,I would love to do that ... but I am somehow "handicapped" :( . Giotto

[Great Guy]

What's the big deal. We would all like to see more reports about other places. Personally I report on all MP places visited but may omit repeats on occasions. I hope other mongers will report on new places they visit too, even if it was bad and are labelling it a "don't bother".Good points, Mick! I'll try to follow your lead and report on all visits, or at least almost all. And, yes, reports on visits that were less than spectacular (or even no fun at all, although YMMV) provide very valuable information, too.GG

[Mackin]

After arriving in BKK and setteling in it was time to move into uncharted waters. Speaking with some other members I was reminded of Luxury massage . They gave it a positive recommendation. So yesterday I was in the area and decided to give it a try. The mamasan was different from the days before but welcomed me and offeresd me the price list. I oppted for the spa and massage for 2 hours. The book had a few I thought I could choose from so i asked to see them. Mamasam said only could see 2 , So I picked from the list. I ended with a Miss P****. Off to the room which was very clean. The jucuzzi looked inviting. Miss P came back and asked what I wanted. I told her FS would do fine today. As we got naked we both took off our cloths and got ready for the tub. The wash was fine but that was what it was, nothing more. A 60 minute massage was then given with 3 trips in and out of the tub to wash off the oil and scrub cream. I was beginning to wonder about the sex part. The last time in the tub she started to massage the little friend. I had massaged her nipples briefly during some of the tub time but that was all that seemed to be offered. Finally off to the bed. again. I personally didn't like the bed as it was a japanese style of 6 inches off the floor, hard , and not very big. A little bbbj and full service was on. Nothing special about either. Very average and business like. I must admit she does not speak a lot of english so that may have hampered the situation. Luxury is clean and for some it has been a good experience. For me it was not something I would go back for. Miss P*** was very nice, but not what I was interested in at that time. But always remember that YMMV.

[NicFrenchy]

There was another striking difference with respect to other MP's: the ladies were not slim but chubby, some were even fat. Not that they were ugly, in fact a few of them had pretty faces despite of their fat bodies.Yes, absolutely the same impression when I was there 2 years ago. Grace Hotel is a hotel frequented 100% by Saudi-Arabians so the girls are Fat to please the Clientele. To be honest, I felt very uncomfortable walking into the Grace Hotel because all the customers were looking at me thinking "what is this guy doing here?" and they had unpleasant looks on their faces.

[NicFrenchy]

For those who want to visit the Grace Hotel, the Below Post From Evil Penivel is a must read
As a celebration of perversity, and perhaps in rebellion over the staid direction my life has taken, I decided to revisit the legendary coffee shop of the Grace Hotel after an absence of 22 years. I first visited the Grace back in 1980, a few years after Playboy magazine had immortalized it with the line, "If you can't get laid out of the coffee shop of the Grace Hotel, you can't get laid anywhere on earth." Already then the hotel was in a state of decline, but there was still a lot of good fun to be had in the coffee shop. I paid a return visit in 1983 and the hotel had become a hellhole- even the mice had tattoos and carried tiny daggers- and the coffee shop wasn't much better, so I never went back on many subsequent visits to LOS. Until 2005, that is. I knew the Grace had deteriorated considerably from the halcyon days I remembered, but nothing, absolutely nothing, could have prepared me for the existential horror I encountered. The writings of Joseph Conrad, or even Stephen King, don't come close to capturing that particular heart of darkness. The sign that reads, ''Abandon all hope, ye who enter here,'' should hang above the entrance to the Grace coffee shop, not Dante's Inferno. It was the scariest collection of male individuals you'll ever see outside Death Row at the Texas State Penitentiary. The cutthroat contingent included Chechen and Kiev mobsters, al Qaida sympathizers, a rainbow coalition of drug smugglers and what appeared to be members of the Manson family and the Oakland chapter of Hell's Angels. As I stepped in, a couple of them stared at me like they'd cheerfully kill me for the change in my pocket or the fillings in my teeth. One looked at me and licked his lips, as though he was thinking about dinner. I could imagine the inhabitants of the Grace coffee shop bargaining over the sale of everything from babies to weapons of mass destruction, at least when they weren't engaged in acts of ritual sacrifice or cannibalism. The less malignant types were mostly over-ripe hippies and old-fashioned winos who couldn't pass the dress code at a shelter for the homeless. Some were so comatose they seemed to have taken root and become part of the coffee shop's fixtures. One, cobwebs hanging from his face, appeared to have been dead for three days, but no one even noticed, much less cared. And the women! You'd need a new word in the English language to describe them, "mega-hideous" is the closest I can come. The creatures in the Stars War cantina scene had more sex appeal. I'm a firm believer that personality and attitude trump appearance in most P4P situations, but considering the customer base at Grace, the personalities of these women must be uglier than their faces. Severe cases of post-traumatic syndrome had to be the least serious damage to their psyches. Yes, there were some farang hookers on site, but they looked to be descendants of Tamara Press, the female locomotive engineer from Kharkov who won gold medals for the Soviet Union in women's shot-put events at the 1960 and 1964 Olympic Games. I also began wondering what disease, STD or otherwise, leaves red blotchy marks on your skin - a lot of the individuals at the Grace, male and female, had them - and whether it could be airborne. I was worried about catching a terminal disease just by breathing the same air, much less touching any of them. I began gingerly backing towards the door, sort of like Indiana Jones extricating himself from a pit of snakes or Aragorn retreating from an army of orcs. I hoped I'd make it out without significant harm to either my health or my sanity. I fully understand "one man's meat is another's poison," and all that. But if I live another 100 years, I can never, ever understand why anyone would set foot in the Grace, unless, like me, it was a mistake of sorts. To anyone who says they enjoy the Grace, I have to ask- What else do you do for fun? Swim laps in a cesspool? Travel to India to watch people die in a hospice? I don't know what the world record is for covering the distance between the Grace and Landmark Hotel, but I must have come close to breaking it that day. I almost knelt and kissed the inlay thingy in the floor of the lobby of the Landmark, so glad I was to have escaped the hotel of the living dead. I saw it as a midway point on a metaphysical journey- from the very bowels of hell to the earthly paradise of the Eden Club later that evening. Back in my suite, I stripped off my clothes and sent them to be dry cleaned (fumigation wasn't a realistic option, the valet said). I then soaked in the tub for an hour and scrubbed away the top layer of my skin. My body cleansed and dressed in fresh clothes, I took the short walk to Eden to restore my soul. It was a perfect touch as streaks of the setting sun broke through the clouds just as turned into Soi 7/1. The sex-show tout who pushed a brochure in my face kind of spoiled the heavenly image, but pure faith kept me going to the entrance of Eden. The nightmares from my one-minute visit to the Grace haven't entirely disappeared, but the ministrations of the Eden girls have lessened their impact. On bad nights, I still dream that I'm visiting Bangkok, but the coffee shop at the Grace Hotel is the only establishment open for business. And I wake up screaming. "The horror, oh the horror."

[Giotto]

I bare back sex with Yok. Fa. Cee. Dao. the first time I had a session with them. And many times after. Never asked them if they do that with other customers. Love Sex 22,The disturbing part is that this happened already "the first time". If they do it the first time bareback with you they will do so with many customers.
But since nicefrenchy had the guts ...Again - it was not NicFrenchy's report, it was a report from another site and another poster which Nic posted here.Giotto

[Georgek]

Here we have the key downside of anonymous newsgroups.Who is "Love Sex 22"?

[Raptors]

After arriving in BKK and setteling in it was time to move into uncharted waters. Speaking with some other members I was reminded of Luxury massage. They gave it a positive recommendation. So yesterday I was in the area and decided to give it a try.The mamasan was different from the days before but welcomed me and offeresd me the price list. I oppted for the spa and massage for 2 hours. The book had a few I thought I could choose from so I asked to see them. Mamasam said only could see 2, So I picked from the list. I ended with a Miss P****.Off to the room which was very clean. The jucuzzi looked inviting. Miss P came back and asked what I wanted. I told her FS would do fine today. As we got naked we both took off our cloths and got ready for the tub. The wash was fine but that was what it was, nothing more. A 60 minute massage was then given with 3 trips in and out of the tub to wash off the oil and scrub cream.I was beginning to wonder about the sex part. The last time in the tub she started to massage the little friend. I had massaged her nipples briefly during some of the tub time but that was all that seemed to be offered.Finally off to the bed. Again. I personally didn't like the bed as it was a japanese style of 6 inches off the floor, hard, and not very big.A little BBBJ and full service was on. Nothing special about either. Very average and business like. I must admit she does not speak a lot of english so that may have hampered the situation.Luxury is clean and for some it has been a good experience. For me it was not something I would go back for. Miss P*** was very nice, but not what I was interested in at that time. But always remember that YMMV.Actually I would echo this report as I was at luxury yesterday also. I liked the place also, very clean good size room and I was happy with my girl. Nevertheless the beds are very hard and I actually hurt my knees while fucking. But ok.

[Love Sex 22]

Love Sex 22,The disturbing part is that this happened already "the first time". If they do it the first time bareback with you they will do so with many customers.Again - it was not NicFrenchy's report, it was a report from another site and another poster which Nic posted here.GiottoExactly I am sure they do it with many customers. I today received some private messages confirming the bare back factor with other members that did not want to go public with their names. And I am sorry about the misunderstanding about nicefrenchy .

[Opebo]

It is nice for those of us seeking a particular special service to read whether or not such service is available in any given venue, but, alas, due to the Control mentality about this issue on the part of many mongermen, reports which mention this lead only to argumentation upon the forum. What is worse, in some cases busy bodies confront the girls and/or management of a venue with their outrage in re, and - yes mongers it can happen - said service is lost to us.I am as guilty as any of arousing this busybody brigade, and I fear I may have exposed some venues to their ire, but I think I have avoided mentioning any specific girl providing such services. Please, gentlemen barebackers, consider refraining from exposing any girl who goes above and beyond upon this forum.

[Giotto]

Here we have the key downside of anonymous newsgroups.Who is "Love Sex 22"?Georgek,Who is "Georgek"? 4 reports, and not a single contribution...Giotto

[Member #3428]

If any girl did offer or do bareback with me, I certainly would not be publishing her name on the forum.I definitely agree with you on this one. In my case it was a year and a half ago and I never went back to that girl even if I do go back to the MP. But never did I publish who she is and I am not stupid enough to go bareback with an MP girl. I only confirmed first hand report that BareBack was OFFERED to me. And for those of you who are PMing me to ask me who she was, forget it, I'm not interested in promoting girls who will go bareback.

[NicFrenchy]

If any girl did offer or do bareback with me, I certainly would not be publishing her name on the forum.I have to say, I agree. It wasn't my intention to create such a fuss about the girls. I removed the names from my Original Post
You would do better to publish your own experiences. I object to hearsay.I try to do so but time does not permit me writing a lot lately, but I'll get back to posting review soon. On the hearsay part, sorry, but I have 2 friends that love certain MPs (BIG names) because of the Bareback offered (by more than 1 girl).Look, the reason I posted the report is to make people aware of what happends in Thai MPs. Bareback is offered everywhere, adn if it is not offered then some clients will Ask for it adn get it.Not talking about it would be like ignoring the big Elephant sitting in your living room.

[NicFrenchy]

It doesn't make sense. And when something doesn't make sense, then most likely it's not true. You haven't been in Thailand very long have you? I would start to get worried if things made sense... :D

[Andy Abs]

I don't really use massage parlors that much. When my brother comes on holiday you can't get me out of them. 2 weeks.I use an un-named popular one. And I have to say on three separate occasions, three different girls, they have tried to put the old soldier in without his body armour on. I just thought it was a normal. I did not carry on. But yes it is worrying that not only do they put their customers at risk they also put their selves at great risk. I also have the added risk of a demented Thai wife. No win situation.

[Dardo]

On the hearsay part, sorry, but I have 2 friends that love certain MPs (BIG names) because of the Bareback offered (by more than 1 girl).Look, the reason I posted the report is to make people aware of what happends in Thai MPs. Bareback is offered everywhere, adn if it is not offered then some clients will Ask for it adn get it.Not talking about it would be like ignoring the big Elephant sitting in your living room.This is really something important to know about. I've always used condom and tried to be very careful, and for most of people like me I'm sure we usually don't see/are not aware of the other side of the coin, and what the girls are capable of doing for money (or because the insistence of other customers.)

[Dan7373]

You haven't been in Thailand very long have you? I would start to get worried if things made sense... :DI've been coming to Thailand for quite a few years. And none of the Thai ladies I've been with ever offered to have condomless sex with me. I haven't met the same ladies you've met. And I can't say for sure what's true and what's not true. But I do have my doubts because of my previous experience.

[NicFrenchy]

I just realized that after my Injured Pecker incident I did not post any reports. Not that I have stopped going to the Massage places but lately have been a little lazy to report on it.This is going to change today, I am in a good mood, writing mood. The problem with writing a review is that, for me, I re-live each moment in my head and by the time I am done writing, I am horny again!Anyhow, the past weeks it was good to meet a few forum members, Mick, Tansak KTV, Centaurus and share a few laughs. Am I boring you? Yes? Ok, I’ll get on with the report.As Mick told me after my last report not to be too harsh and give Miss R @ Luxury another try, I made my way to Soi 19. On the way to Luxury, Across the street is Friends Barber and Massage where a Farang was seating outside, talking with the ladies and having a beer.Arriving at Luxury (where they really know me by now) the receptionist greeted me and the cashier gave me a big smile. No need to say anything, she brings me the book and goes get my water. While I peruse the book I notice a new face but not to my liking. I am here to get revenge from my last session with Miss R but somehow, I can’t find her in the book. I call the cashier and ask for her: CASHIER: she holiday (I know for a fact that Miss R does not take her day off on a Friday)ME: she never take holiday FridayCASHIER: she holiday long long time, go back E-sarnME: really?CASHIER: yes, she have baby” (she mimics the pregnant stomach)ME: huh? But I was with her last week… no big stomachCASHIER: oh, really? ME: yesCASHIER: oh, but not her baby, Family, yes, she holiday, you pick other lady, good lady, same sameME: ok, Thanks but you know when she come back?CASHIER: Long timeI decided not to indulge in a complicated conversation with the Cashier. So the news is that Miss R has left for what looks like a couple of months.Flipping through the book I wanted to see if my #2 choice, Miss Milk was available, No luck, she was busy so I decided to go with Ying. The cashier gave me a strange look and was going to say something but I cut her before she could speak: “yes, I know, she old, Saab Leo”. Ok, Ying it is.Arriving in the room she slaps my shoulder…wtf? I look surprised and she tells me: YING: why you not come so long time? I want to see you but you not come see me, you take other ladyME: What?YING: I know, you go with Lady L**** (Miss R)ME: How you know?YING: She say me she have handsome customer, name Nic, I know it youME: I take her because you busy already with another customerYING: No, I not busy, I wait youME: Yes but that day you busy so I take another girlYING: I not busy, she tell me you come see her and I not busyME: Where she now?YING: oh, she go back her homeME: okYING: I miss you why you no come see me?ME: ok, I am here now, we go shower ok?Damn I did not need the Drama but Ying confirmed that miss R is gone for some time. Bummer, I still loved her big tits and tight pussy.As usual we skipped the massage and went right into kissing and feeling each other up, lots of foreplay and her usual orgasm from DATY (she does not let me stop until she is fully satisfied). There is a good thing about being with a 35 years old woman: she knows what she wants and how she wants it.She gives me the usual BBBJ with lots of balls play before putting the condom and mounting me. Something felt strange with the condom but I did not give it a second thought and continued the sex. After a few minutes I could feel something wasn’t right and I realized that the condom was a little big for me. Looking at the cover, it showed: 56 (geez, I’m not that big) I had her switch it to a 54. All this time changing the rubber got Johnson all soft and somehow unable to come back to life. Ying was a good sport, she gave me a good Balls massage and BBBJ until I was all hard again. Condom came on (better fit this time) and I went back at it. We had sex in different positions and I could see in Ying’s eyes that she was begging me to finish. I went slower, very slow thrusts while kissing her neck and licking her ears: she was planting her nails in my ass! LOLI got the message and allowed myself to Finish: 90 minutes instead of the original 60 minutes. I paid the Extra 200.Ying made me promise to come back and see her and I told her I would be back, but not too soon unfortunately (I want to try other girls)

[Daddy San]

My latest experience is just a couple of days old in a "Traditional Thai MP" on soi 33/1 (?), the first one on the west side, where all I wanted was a foot massage, after a day's sightseeing and very sore feet. Since my jeans were too tight to pull over the knees, I was asked to exchange them for a pair of those XXL massage shorts. Although I was the only customer in the shop, I was not allowed to drop my pants in plain view of the 5 elderly ladies, but led up the stairs, for propriety's sake.In passing a shower, I thought, I might as well freshen up. My lady, about 150 cm, close to 40, but not unattractive, clearly misinterpreted my request and immediately asked "You want oil massage?" Why not, so after the shower, as I lay down naked, she covered me with a towel. "I am shy" she explained. Given her age, I tended to believe her, and all I really wanted was a foot massage, with a bit of oil thown in, and certainly no hanky panky.The foot massage (excellent) came and went and progressed seamlessly into the oil massage. True to her word, the shy lady always moved the towel, leaving only the area under her immediate attention uncovered. Apperently, massages must be done according to the book, so some time after the flip, a happy ending is apparently obligatory, whether you want it or not. I did not (I had another date later on) and tried to explain as nicely as I could. She would not take no for an answer. Probably thinking that I wanted "not just a HJ", without any further discussion (difficult, given my Thai and her English) she stripped, revealing a really super body for any age. A bit small on the tits, but a perfect ass, to drool over, just the way I like them, (the asses).The uneexpectedness of the situation took it's toll on me and brought junior to full attention. The lady took this as a encouragement and prepared to mount me, no condom in sight. Her fabulous ass had already made me forget my date later on, so I would have given in, but dicisively demanded a condom first. To which her answer was: "Thai massage, no condom"

[BionicMan]

I definitely agree with you on this one. In my case it was a year and a half ago and I never went back to that girl even if I do go back to the MP. But never did I publish who she is and I am not stupid enough to go bareback with an MP girl. I only confirmed first hand report that BareBack was OFFERED to me. And for those of you who are PMing me to ask me who she was, forget it, I'm not interested in promoting girls who will go bareback.It is quite debatable whether it makes sense NOT to piublish names of girls going bareback.In one way, I agree, you promote a girl and her edge behaviour (so bring her to the arms of other people living at the edge). And that should not happen, you are right.On the other way rather than a promotion it can be seen as an alert about a certain girl doing bareback as part of her nomal behaviour. Therefore pointing out she is at the edge and warn other mongers (careful about) about her dangerours behaviour.We know certain deseases are not transmitted only by strictly sexual contacts (on a non sexual note you can get some foot skin problems just by walking barefoot in a place such as a swimming pool).Therefore an alert on the behaviour of a careless girl (can we rate her as such?) could be positive.it can also be the sign of less care, less attention in many areas of her life beheaviourFor sake of argument, do you want to DFK a girl that has done bareback CIM 15 minutes ago with who knows what kind of a dick?:)On principle one can think a DFK is nothing so dangerous (and not necessarily is),but what's behind (behaviour) can make it so.Just my 2 cents...:)

[Georgek]

Georgek,Who is "Georgek"? 4 reports, and not a single contribution...GiottoI am not the one making serious allegations against an establishment.My previous post made precisely the points about the original controversial post that you made a few minutes later. As much of a contribution on this issue as yours.

[M P Lurker]

In my experience, the girls that offer bareback the most are the least professional ones, non-P4P or borderline girls is the number one category and bargirls comes 2nd.The more expereinced and professional the girl is, the less likely she is to offer it or accept it when a guy asks for it or demands it.Of course my overall Oilies experience is not big (just over 1 year only) compared to Soapies and bargirls.

[Giotto]

Look supposing that you told me or someone else told me that you were a barebacker, would you like your name published?Look, Mick, if somebody told me that you had sex with a bar girl, would you like your name published?
Girls are being named by anonymous ISGers, strikes me as being unfare. Someone will believe some of these stories even if they are crap and label the girl "bad".Ahh - we can name girls we have good experiences with, and we label them "good" (even if the poster wrote crap), but not girls who are barebacking, because somebody could label them "bad" (even if the poster wrote crap)? And that's unfair then! Sorry - I fail to see the logic! And anonymous - anonymous are most writers behind a handle, you too, when you write positive reports and name a girl.
If a girl happens to offer bareback to a customer, it doesn't prove that she is doing that with every customer, so I would not wish to label her a "barebacker" in general. She may very well get smart, change her mind, and no longer be offering bareback before it is too late. Correct. If a girl performs good with you it does not necessarily mean that she performs good with every customer. She also might get lazy and not perform as good any more.
Any girl doing it regularly will catch an STD sooner or later, ... AND THAT IS THE POINT!!!!
Given this profound lack of knowledge, why name a girl? I completely disagree! If she allows bareback we have knowledge!!! If we name good performing girls there is no reason NOT to name barebacking girls.
Is not the gentlemanly thing to do. Its more of an arsehole thing to do creating innuendo. So I'm not into that.Hmmm, I don't really want to comment on that, but obviously I have to. I read details about sexual experiences and techniques from many posters mentioning the name of the provider - all that is not really gentlemanlike, it is usually a private experience between a man and a woman. To just reduce that on the fact of condom usage or not is definitely not a good argument.
Perhaps a guy creating bad gossip will no longer be welcomed at the place.There are obviously some guys now creating that "gossip". And everybody is hiding behind a handle, same as you do. I don't see problems for the writer, except if I write :) !
If a girl that knows me, offered me bareback, she might feel very safe on the basis that she sees that I always supply condoms and never ask not to use one. She may therefore correctly suppose that I have not recently been doing any bareback and am probably not a guy of much riskYou are kidding, right? Do you believe the girl if she promise you, that you are the only one she is barebacking? Come on, man, don't give me nonsense like this. Girls lie, make up stories, customers lie, make up stories.
Another problem is that devious girls like to play little games with men. If a girl offered me bareback I would not automatically assume she intended to go through with it. Could be just testing how easily I would agree. In which case she could change her mind. I recall one P4P many many years ago before times of HIV, did bareback the first time or two with me (probably she was a newbie), and then subsequently changed to insisting on a condom every time.That's more a customer strategy - offering a higher price to check out whether the girl would bareback or not. Mick, read the reports! Bareback does happen!
I have not ever been offered bareback at Tulip by any girl and I have been there many times. Sometimes I supplied my own condoms and sometimes I didn't. Maybe girls can just tell that I won't be asking for exotic things. I haven't even asked for anal.I have been offered bareback sex in Tulip, years ago. Definitely OFFERED = "You want condom???" ! Additionally I had many, many experiences in serveral massage parlours in which - the girl did not ask for a condom- the girl did not prepare anything- the girl on top tried to plug in without condom- the girl had to be stopped from me insisting on a condom- the girl laid down on the back, spreading her legs, expecting me - without insisting / preparing a condomNumerous experiences like this. If you don't insist on a condom you can easily go bareback in many massage parlours.It's not a Tulip specific problem, but the phenomenon exists.Giotto

[Giotto]

...Are you trying to make fun of raptors report? Its a nice report IMHO. He is not trying to make this thread "strange".Mick Licker,No - I just have stomach ache :) .Giotto

[Giotto]

Mick Licker,Ohh, do I feel negative vibrations :) ?
...I could name girls at the Sports Bar that were crap performers in bed for me but I choose not to. Sure, why should be different here in our bar than in all other establishments? And there are guys who are mentioning names and bad performance.
You have rules not to publish girls pictures too.Correct. Complete different reason, we have no intention to market our place via the girls.
I am honest in what I write but I also check with favourites that are named that they are O.K. with the publicity I give them. I don't want to upset them obviously.I respect and appreciate that - but I doubt that all other posters are acting like that, too.
If a girl that knows me, offered me bareback, she might feel very safe on the basis that she sees that I always supply condoms and never ask not to use one. She may therefore correctly suppose that I have not recently been doing any bareback and am probably not a guy of much risk No idea why I got emotional or misunderstood something - but what I read here would be similiar as the following if written about a customer:- I know her long time- She always insisted on condoms- I think she is not going bareback with other customers- I can ask for bareback, she is not a girl of much riskI don't see that a girl offers bareback because she think that a long time customer is low risk. I also fail to see any reason that could lead a girl to OFFER bareback sex. That it happens, that it might be done to satisfy a customer or give a bonus to long time customers, that it is done for money - that's all possible. But OFFERING it is somehow a different dimension.
I am disagreeing with guys claiming that all the top girls do it all the time....This report was not about guys claiming that all the top girls do bareback all the time.Your report was about whether it is ok to mention names of girls in this forum who do bareback. I do not mention names - its not an issue for me at all. And I argued basically, that if we name good service providers we can also warn if somebody does bareback.
...Yeh I have been offered bareback years ago. So what?...So what - we both can confirm reports of others that bareback is OFFERED. That's all.Giotto

[M P Lurker]

Your report was about whether it is ok to mention names of girls in this forum who do bareback. I do not mention names - its not an issue for me at all. And I argued basically, that if we name good service providers we can also warn if somebody does bareback.Logic mambo-jumbo.You are condoning other guys to bad name a girl where you would not name anything. This is taking logic to its absurdity.You should not recommend things that you would not do yourself. That's a cop out. Hey go and do these things, but not me!There are lots of things I could write that would bad mouth certain people, but I keep it under limits. Its simply not a great idea. Its doesn't do those people any good nor does it put me in a good light either.

[John Euro]

Have been there before but at least 4 year ago, its beside Sukhumvit Soi 22 on Washington square, when walking from Mambo cabaret towards the Sazanka entrance, its on your right, a glass door with pot flowers in front, you can't miss it. I wanted to use mainly the sauna and steam as they advertise. I took the promotion package for 699Thb, 2 hour oil massage and free use of the facilities. They have 2 books to choose a girl from, one for girls doing only Thai, one for oil girls, it looks like not all girls do both kind of worksThe whole place looks worn-out, the best years are long time gone, it used to be some kind of entertainment centre with bars, wide staircases and many rooms, on the ground floor there is a big locker room with connection to a wet area with showers, a cold and a really hot tub, the sauna was at good temperature, the steam not on, I spend like 45 min. There to warm up. After using the wet area the boy from the lockers guided me till the 4th floor where the small rooms are, this with a table for oil massage, everything there need a bit of paint and a fresh up.5 min. Later the girl showed up with here toolbox, I chose here from the first page in the oil book, name Ying nr 39, tall girl not bad looking. Face down and she started with a decent massage and from the beginning here hands slipping permanently ?by accident? In to my ass and ball touching, more and more, this could not be accidentally but was the usual sign for extra?s. The massage was good and strong, after the turn over she was a bit more careless with the towel and then it came, Hi handsome man, strong man etc. A bit ego polishing for little John, do you want any special service? Maybe what is the price for HJ, 1000 thb, no way, I work in BK en know the prices very well, mmm 500 ok, yes OK, good try from here. I asked to undress but that would cost another 500 more, I was able to unhook here bra and play with the boobs all time, nice boobs btw. She was massaging the lower belly and groin area softly and now and the a bit more attention for Junior, more and more, really not in a rush and that job took minimum 30 minutes till the final explosion. She was very fair with the time, she cleaned me up and continue with the massage, looks like she could not leave the room before the 120 min job was. I am sure that even more extra is possible, as a security sign for unexpected visitors she as placed the stand alone coat hanger in front of the door.Will I go back, yes I think so as the HJ was not done in a rush as at most places.This was a non Tulip or Rin field report as asked few days ago.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Giotto]

Logic mambo-jumbo.You are condoning other guys to bad name a girl where you would not name anything. This is taking logic to its absurdity.You should not recommend things that you would not do yourself. That's a cop out. Hey go and do these things, but not me!There are lots of things I could write that would bad mouth certain people, but I keep it under limits. Its simply not a great idea. Its doesn't do those people any good nor does it put me in a good light either.Nahh,Come on, you are writing reports and mentioning names. But you don't want to mention barebacking girls names. Is that logic or absurdity? Neither - it's your decision, what you write and what you don't write.I don't recommend anything. And I don't tell anybody what to do or not to do. I just fail to see why it is wrong to mention barebacking girls names. For me it has also not to much too do with good or bad, or with badmouthing or destroying the girls reputation - we all know that barebacking is happening out there!GiottoPS: Hey, man, I am not even finished with the report below :) ...

[M P Lurker]

For me it has also not to much too do with good or bad, or with badmouthing or destroying the girls reputationYes it is about that!Girls may have done things that they now regret and have decided to change.Most bareback girls would catch an STD fairly soon, and would possibily decide to change their behaviour. I have known girls in the long past who changed their behaviour, and I can assume there is a good posibility that they changed after catching an STD.

[Giotto]

yes it is about that!girls may have done things that they now regret and have decided to change.most bareback girls would catch an std fairly soon, and would possibily decide to change their behaviour. i have known girls in the long past who changed their behaviour, and i can assume there is a good posibility that they changed after catching an std.interesting point.then - may be mentioning their risky behaviour can speed up this change process and even prevent them from catching a std ... would that be wrong?or do i misunderstand something - no names because we don't want to destroy the bareback market? giotto

[M P Lurker]

Or do I misunderstand something - no names because we don't want to destroy the bareback market? GiottoNo no, thats the Opebo line. I'm am not in that camp.I have not been doing bareback with MP girls in recent years.Some come awfully close to it when body massaging you with their pussy, but they are skillful enough for it not to accidentally go in, and I would not interpret this pussy massage as an offer to ram it in either.But I obviously don't want to do anything much with girls with high likihood of an STD like Chlamydia for example, as its very easily passed on despite condom precautions, based on my own experience, even by finger or by blow job. Condom accidents do happen occasionally too (either torn or slip off after lenghty sex).

[Giotto]

No no, thats the Opebo line. I'm am not in that camp.Mick Licker,Good. I absolutely agree with you :) !Giotto

[Piper1]

Good to see a healthy safe-sex debate going on amongst many members. Nothing healthier than a mass-debate. ;)

[Meryl]

I think a lot of people have to wake up to reality. Bareback is very available but wether it is enforced or not is only up to YOU. Your life, your responsibility.Will that stop me going to Oilies? no way! It's a risky hobby but I love it too much to stop.[/QUOTE]Hi,I couldn?t agree more. I don?t quite see what is so special about the dangers of bareback anyway. Yes, it is more risky than BBBJ, but not that much more. Both BBFS and BBJ are risky, what?s a few percent difference in risk?If we are willing to risk our life getting BBBJs, why wouldn?t we risk it for bareback?Meryl

[M P Lurker]

Good to see a healthy safe-sex debate going on amongst many members. Nothing healthier than a mass-debate. ;)Its not a mass debate yet. Where's your opinion?I think its time I had a time-out and get with some naked girls.

[Eaglestar]

I think its time I had a time-out and get with some naked girls.I could not agree more Mick.ES

[Centaurus]

Or do I misunderstand something - no names because we don't want to destroy the bareback market? GiottoI think Obepo understands the sociology of very large open online communities much better than most, and therefore I don't buy his argument against posting names ("busybodies" talking with management). I suspect that he doesn't want to alert the anonymous barebacker (or at least not the infected barebacker) because that increases his own risk if he wants to repeat.And, whether TwoLips does it bb or not... the last lurking barebacker on ISG has now been alerted. And if it's all hearsay, he'll get a nice CIM at least.

[Randsurfer]

I am fascinated by the debate between Mick and Giotto (Not)I have learned so much from them (Not)It seems a worthwhile use of space on this forum (Not)I hope it never ends (Not)Perhaps a good 69 session between the two of you can allow you each to cum to a mutual understanding.

[M P Lurker]

Mick Licker,No - I just have stomach ache :) .GiottoStomach ache or got out of bed on the wrong side.So you scare away newer nice guys from making reports by giving them this shit, and no one can understand what you are carrying on about.Well done! :(

[M P Lurker]

...I don?t quite see what is so special about the dangers of bareback anyway. Yes, it is more risky than BBBJ, but not that much more. Both BBFS and BBJ are risky, what?s a few percent difference in risk?If we are willing to risk our life getting BBBJs, why wouldn?t we risk it for bareback?MerylBBBJ is not normally considered risking your life. Significant numbers of people are not provably getting AIDS via this method. While a less serious STD can be caught from BBBJ, the difference in risk over unprotected normal sex is not just a few percent. Many uninformed doctors would say that STD cannot be caught from blow job at all, just because they have not heard of it.

[Daddy07]

...Tuk doesn't speak much English, but is happy to talk anyway, and it soon became clear that she (and presumably the other girls) is really pissed off about something, and that is the posting of girls' names who allegedly use 'no condom'.It would be silly to be over-sensitive to what the girls think, but don't forget that they have a keen interest in what is said about them, and appear to follow these forums in some detail (I'll post another example shortly). So just remember that whatever is said about the girls here, good or bad, will be noted,...Hahahaha ? that?s hilarious! If you are out there reading this right now little sweethearts ? Hi Yok! Hello to the rest of you superstars! We love you girls. Please don?t be mad. Thanks for doing such great jobs for us! I might not get the chance to meet all of you but I sure do enjoy reading your report cards.My best to all of you lovely ladies,Daddy

[Mouse1]

You make some very good points Mouse1!And we must all remember that YMMV.Khorb koon khrab.In return I invite you to play guess the flower girl :-)

[M P Lurker]

Hahahaha ? that?s hilarious! If you are out there reading this right now little sweethearts ? Hi Yok! Hello to the rest of you superstars! We love you girls. Please don?t be mad. Thanks for doing such great jobs for us! I might not get the chance to meet all of you but I sure do enjoy reading your report cards.My best to all of you lovely ladies,DaddyYou are a weird one Daddy07, I mean you haven't even met these girls, right?

[Mouse1]

Hahahaha ? that?s hilarious! If you are out there reading this right now little sweethearts ? Hi Yok! Hello to the rest of you superstars! We love you girls. Please don?t be mad. Thanks for doing such great jobs for us! I might not get the chance to meet all of you but I sure do enjoy reading your report cards.My best to all of you lovely ladies,DaddyHa ha! And indeed they do know who are regularly classed as 'superstars'! I did try and explain that some girls are just superstars in waiting...

[M P Lurker]

Khorb koon khrab.In return I invite you to play guess the flower girl :-)Mouse1, You are doing a good job of defeating the search engines, but I'll make a note to search for "flower" too in future. Nice body in the pic. I love curves like this, but I can't recognise. Not as powerful a build as my favourite.

[Centaurus]

Ha ha! And indeed they do know who are regularly classed as 'superstars'! I did try and explain that some girls are just superstars in waiting...The flower-girls should register here and mix the forum up a bit. Those with better Engrish, Nice or Nong or Yok, would definitely be able to hold their own here. The localized forums in Rio de Janeiro have threads started by the superstars, "speak with Barbara Torres", that are quite hilarious :DDoes that nice butt start with a G?

[Giotto]

Yeah I am absolutely positive Yok is not on the first row in the book (more like a card with postcard pictures. She was right in the third row of pictures. And had the impression that yesterday was a little bit slower business. Maybe that is the reason.Raptors,I was obviously wrong with my stomach ache ...I apologize!Please - don't stop posting because I got out on the wrong side of the bed yesterday :) ... check out some more massage parlours and write about your experiences.Giotto

[Mouse1]

Does that nice butt start with a G?Actually it started with a BJ, but otherwise you are absolutely correct :-)

[Raptors]

Hahahaha ? that?s hilarious! If you are out there reading this right now little sweethearts ? Hi Yok! Hello to the rest of you superstars! We love you girls. Please don?t be mad. Thanks for doing such great jobs for us! I might not get the chance to meet all of you but I sure do enjoy reading your report cards.My best to all of you lovely ladies,DaddyMan daddy you are quite cynic here. Maybe some reality check here. According to my information there are not so interested about what we think. Just treat them ok, and they will treat you ok.

[Kuratla]

Yes, my sources confirm that Nong now has a someone to "take care". I hope that its not one of you ISGers stealing the talent :(TimTimGuy, are you the culprit? :mad: Just kidding. I don't know anything about that!But I'm sure that other girls are also looking out for some guy that is very "jai dee".She's been snatched up by a Singaporean.

[Daddy07]

Man daddy you are quite cynic here. Maybe some reality check here. According to my information there are not so interested about what we think. Just treat them ok, and they will treat you ok.Oh, I always treat them like princesses and they usually treat me fine. I just find it amusing the thought that the superstars and also-rans we rave and complain about so much on this forum might actually be lurking about here to find out what is being said about them and their performances. Only on the Internet is this possible. You aren?t going to find sex worker reviews in the Bangkok Post.

[Raptors]

Oh, I always treat them like princesses and they usually treat me fine. I just find it amusing the thought that the superstars and also-rans we rave and complain about so much on this forum might actually be lurking about here to find out what is being said about them and their performances. Only on the Internet is this possible. You aren?t going to find sex worker reviews in the Bangkok Post.Weill quite possible. From my very limited experience I just one provider for LT and I offered to show some stuff on the internet but she was not interested which did surprise me, on the other hand she is connected at home so who knows. And even if they know that we think they are superstars. Some will be able to cope with it some not. And then ones who are not will loose their business very fast. Because we are all not into it. Or am I wrong.

[Giotto]

I raised the question whether an anonymous poster on this forum might not be the same anonymous poster on the other forum (as I do not 'know' both posters I do not 'know' if they are the same individual). Perhaps a little subtle for you. You do not need to post a lot to be able to come up with simple questions or be aware that some anonymous posters deliberately try to damage girls & places. ...Goergek,I still don't get your point. I was trying to motivate you to add some useful information like a field report, instead of starting with a [subtle or not] implicit allegation against a long time member of this forum. Instead of that 'Perhaps a little subtle for you' continues your glorious appearance here.If you want to warn the members that 'some anonymous posters deliberately try to damage girls & places' then do it. And - the members were warned about this option already - from both you and me directly after the initial report. There was definitely no necessity to question the reputation of a long time member implying that he might 'be the same anonymous poster on the other forum'.Now - some of us are aware of what happened to the other local forum in the past few months/years. I am quite sure that you are well aware of that, and the mechanisms how it happened. For me some of the comments of the past few days here look pretty familiar. And - we don't really want a similar development on this forum, do we :) ?Giotto

[NicFrenchy]

I am sure that even more extra is possible, as a security sign for unexpected visitors she as placed the stand alone coat hanger in front of the door.Will I go back, yes I think so as the HJ was not done in a rush as at most places.Very Good report. I will be sure to check this place out. 699 seems like a good deal. I hope they offer BJ though, HJ is not interesting at all for me

[NicFrenchy]

I am fascinated by the debate between Mick and Giotto (Not)I have learned so much from them (Not)It seems a worthwhile use of space on this forum (Not)I hope it never ends (Not)Perhaps a good 69 session between the two of you can allow you each to cum to a mutual understanding.and are you an idiot? (yes)

[Piper1]

I'm a dedicated fucker, but I've never caught a sex disease in my life. After fucking literally hundeds of working girls and dozens of non-WGs around the world, I'm sure I must have fucked girls with HIV, herpes, or gonorrhea, chlamydia, etc. Statistically this has to be the case. But I always have been - and I still am - disease-free and healthy. Guess why.

[Run Mann]

It's not your turn yet?
I'm a dedicated fucker, but I've never caught a sex disease in my life. After fucking literally hundeds of working girls and dozens of non-WGs around the world, I'm sure I must have fucked girls with HIV, herpes, or gonorrhea, chlamydia, etc. Statistically this has to be the case. But I always have been - and I still am - disease-free. Guess why.

[Daddy07]

I'm a dedicated fucker, but I've never caught a sex disease in my life. After fucking literally hundeds of working girls and dozens of non-WGs around the world, I'm sure I must have fucked girls with HIV, herpes, or gonorrhea, chlamydia, etc. Statistically this has to be the case. But I always have been - and I still am - disease-free and healthy. Guess why.You use only blowup dolls?

[John Euro]

. But just a quick couple of additional comments about Rin: (although she's actually looking younger to me than on previous trips), Great GuyGood to learn that someone else noticed the fact that Rin looks different now, I thought 2 weeks a go what a change, she looks much younger, or maybe its met getting older by the day en then most girls start looking younger, just like when you had a few drinks. I was walking behind here and had a good look at her behind this time, Rin as lost for sure some weight but here face looks a lot better.JE

[John Euro]

Finally I made it to Akane after there shut down for holiday 2 weeks ago, I got seated on the first right sofa, one of the girls was helping me to take my shoes off and wile I looked up to take the menu from the table, our famous Miki was standing in front of me presenting herself and trying to get my attention, (she is actually of my list now, Nick knows exactly why) I looked straight in here eyes without any smile or greet, few minutes later all 6 girls go in the line up and I asked for there names since I did not see Erika or Hiro where I was looking for. I received all the names one by one passed by on Miki on purpose and took my old favourite MIKA with the big boobs, Miki gave me a angry and disappointed look and left the reception area right away.Took the S3 course with only one girl avoiding the risk that Miki would com in to finish the job as with S3-B. The usual shower and ass rimming from Mika, she was very playful, here boobs are actually to big for such a skinny body but it was nice to have something oversize in my hands for a change, I received a more than good Akane service from here as always and I gave here a good tip.Mika told me that all girls have been on holiday to Bali for 5 day?s, except herself since she get sick in the airplane and may not fly, bad luck for here, saying that all girls had a great time. Asked why Miki was working at 33 branch today instead of at Shitlom, saying that this was only for one day or so, 33 branch was very busy and several girls are on a day off or sickOn my way back to SUK in the middle of Soi 33, I run in to Mika, she came back from a food stall, received another angry face from here, It must be for not choosing here this time. Next visit, maybe I will take here again to see how I can relise the devil out of here.JEEDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[John Euro]

Very Good report. I will be sure to check this place out. 699 seems like a good deal. I hope they offer BJ though, HJ is not interesting at all for meNick, I thinck there is more possible in the 2h oil package, after confirming for HJ, she asked me again, is it THAT what you want? Sounds like a opening for other options. The place as many more possebilities I think.JE

[Great Guy]

Good to learn that someone else noticed the fact that Rin looks different now, I thought 2 weeks a go what a change, she looks much younger [snip] I was walking behind here and had a good look at her behind this time, Rin as lost for sure some weight but here face looks a lot better.Yes, John. That reminds me. When we were going up the stairs, with her in front of me wearing a nice short mini-skirt, I was noticing (enjoying) how great her legs looked. I hadn't noticed that before. That's a very pleasant image to keep in my mind.GG

[NicFrenchy]

our famous Miki was standing in front of me presenting herself and trying to get my attention, (she is actually of my list now, Nick knows exactly why) Yep, and I fully Agree since she is off my list too
Took the S3 course with only one girl avoiding the risk that Miki would com in to finish the job as with S3-B. Hahahahaha That would have been hilarious... Miki coming in the room adn biting your pecker off :D

[NicFrenchy]

Despite being a busy P4P day, Saturday is a good day for me to go and share my “Love” with a Thai lady. Having had lunch at Central Chidlom with a friend, what could be closer than Akane Chidlom? I have not been there in a while and was anxious to see the talent (or lack of it maybe?)I entered the shop at about 13:00 and a lot of girls were available, the entire lineup it turned out as I was the first customer. I picked one from the bunch (name undisclosed) and opted for an S3 session (Fashion Massage 90mn).She was the cutest of the bunch and her body was quite nice so I was looking forward to seeing her naked. 2 other ladies followed us and one asked if she could see my cock, “sure” I said while unzipping my jeans and leaving her in front of my boxer shorts. She did not wait for my green light and took my pecker out, looked at it, smiled and put it back in. She said something to my girls and then went back downstairs. Whatever.Shower on the High table went normally and we were “clicking” as far as small talk was concerned. She looked like a fun girl.Back in the room she excused herself to go showering and I waited. Upon her return I told her that I did not want massage, she grinned and asked me to lay face down.Nice Catbath and rimming followed by very intense foreplay where I spent a hell of a lot of time nibbling on her neck and tits, slowly moving down to her pussy. Daty was very appreciated as she several times pulled my hair and help my head to ensure I do not step away from her clit area. She liked a finger up her Bhole and the other one in her mouth. She orgasmed loudly and immediately went for a cuddle and French kiss session. The whole thing was very nice.Now my turn, I was eagerly waiting to see her skills in the advertised “Lip Service”. Well, she sucked on my balls and (with her mouth) put a condom on my Johnson. I did not know what to say as I wasn’t sure if she was going to suck or fuck. She went for a CBJ and after a few minutes, my pecker started to shrink. She looked at me puzzled and I told her that I did not like CBJ and that she could be sucking for hours. “oh” was her only reaction, she promptly removed the condom and started a long BBBJ. After 20mn of BBBJ she indicated that the time was up so I upgraded from S3 to S4 (from 90 to 120mn) allowing me an extra 30mn for 200thb (1580 vs 1780). She ran downstairs to tell the manager and was back in a flash to resume her BBBJ. Another 20mn later (where she came again with 69) I was getting close to orgasm. I tapped on her arm letting her know I was close and she did not move. “I finish soon” I told her but it did not seem to make her stop either, if anything, she was sucking faster. Very close to unloading I let go of a big groan and taped her arm to give her a last chance to pull out. I have to hand it to her, she took all my load in her mouth and carried on sucking until she saw I was totally still. She looked into my eyes and spit it all in the Towel. She then came to cuddle and whispered in my ear “you strong, make love same long?” “yes, sometimes” I replied. She gave me her phone number in case I wanted to hook up.On my way down I saw 2 other girls and they would not let me pass until I gave them each a kiss. Nice feeling for the Ego.Miki was there, looking Bored (I guess business is low). I was seating down waiting for my girl to bring my shoes when another Lady sat down beside me and gave me a candy “no thanks” I said, but she replied “Milk candy” then pointed at my girl “she say you like milk”. Hahaha nice one.I left her a tip and went on my way ;)

[John Euro]

Yep, and I fully Agree since she is off my list tooHahahahaha That would have been hilarious... Miki coming in the room adn biting your pecker off :DDid not take any risk losing my last bit of pleasure in life , lost to much on the stock market, did not give here chance at all but like to tame the tiger in here one day.

[Jrbkk64]

You use only blowup dolls?Maybe he uses a rubber. Nowhere does he say he BB's!!

[John Euro]

Yep,Hahahahaha That would have been hilarious... Miki coming in the room adn biting your pecker off :DNick,You can laugh you lazy French ass off with this but put yourself in my position, you know this kid as good as I do and she can be bad news I think, the look in here eyes says enough. If here eyes where shotguns, she would have shot me down when I took Mika instead of here.Must recon that she as been always working on full throttle with me, no complains about here performance but life is already to complicated to run in to trouble, stunning girls enough in LOS.

[M P Lurker]

Having said that, I still believe this is the best Oily in Bkk (sex wise because their massage skills are crap).I took a break from sex to find out if she could actually massage (just for fun and to rest a little) and it seemed that she was quite good. Used to work in a Spa establishment.So maybe not every girl is bad at massage.Of course for the very best massage, you would go somewhere not offering incredible sex for sure.

[Traveler1234]

John and NicI'm confused, is she at Akane 33 or Akane Chitlom? Thought she moved from 33 to Chitlom some time back last year?Btw, had Mika and her nice natural tits but got much better service from Miki ;)

[Some American]

Maybe he uses a rubber. Nowhere does he say he BB's!!Gee, ya think????

[NicFrenchy]

John and NicI'm confused, is she at Akane 33 or Akane Chitlom? Thought she moved from 33 to Chitlom some time back last year?She moved there back in 2007. Her permanent base is Chidlom but as JE said, she was helping out only for that day because it was busy and some girls were sick.
Btw, had Mika and her nice natural tits but got much better service from Miki ;)Her service used to be fantastic, but now she is lazy and has a bit of an attitude. Sory, but with all the ladies in Bkk, I refuse to deal with her shit games ;)

[NicFrenchy]

In the interest of further research, I decided to try Angel Massage. Seems to me that miss Far is one of the very lazy ones. No BJ, no DATY and a starfish Experience (for which you paid a premium).I won't get into the Tipping, you know yo fucked up, but rather than be very happy, the girl will go back to the back room a little confused, Telling her friends how this Farang didn't even finish (come) and she made no effort but still got 2,000 thb.I was at Angels Yesterday to try miss Jeab but she was busy and none of the other available girls were to my liking so I went to Smile Teen for an Excellent experience.

[Dan7373]

....At last, she took off the towel and massage technician jacket and proceeded with a bit more HJ and then, after applying the condom, started some Cowgirl action. This didn't seem to be getting me anywhere so, after 3 or 4 minutes of that, I turned her over and got into missionary position. But first I tried a bit of DATY and found that she wasn't very receptive to that (putting a hand in my way). So I proceeded with the main activity and quickly found that she wouldn't let me raise both her legs at the same time. (Perhaps I should point out that I'm 6 ft. Tall, and she is probably barely 5 ft. , so maybe she was a bit worried about the depth of penetration.) I tried "doggie-style" and she seemed more receptive to that, but I was getting the impression that she wasn't really enjoying it. She seemed to have that "serious. Just doing my job" attitude, although she was quite nice about it. We continued with alternating missionary and doggie for awhile, but the serious attitude and "only one leg up" things kept me from really getting into it. So I stopped and let her give me a HJ for a bit, until I could tell that wasn't working either, and I suggested we just finish up by my giving her a massage. There was only about 10 minutes left, anyhow.....DATY in Thailand is something only farangs like to do. This kind of thing is considered 'dirty' in Thailand. And many Thai ladies, professional or not, never become comfortable with it.But Thai ladies are quite receptive to well-lubricated hand-to-pussy massage. Which is essentially the same thing as DATY, except you do it with your hand and not with your mouth.Also, many Thai ladies expect their man to be 'strong'. Which means that they expect their man to make the fist move, when it comes to having sex. And when a man doesn't make any such move on the lady after a whole hour of her massaging him. Then to her this looks like either he doesn't like her that much. Or he is a 'weak' man. Which is a big turn off for her.I think you would've had a much better experience with Far, if you had gone after her sexually right from the beginning. And if you had put some lubricating lotion on your hand and masturbated her for a while to help her get into the mood.You have to realize that not all massage ladies are trained to understand western men and their ways. And doing it only the western way in a foreign country is bound to result in a lot of cultural misunderstandings. As the saying goes, when in Rome do as Romans do. And this applies to any foreign place. You will have much better experiences in Thailand, if you try to understand Thai ways and do with Thai ladies the way they feel most comfortable with.Perhaps at Tulip Massage, the Thai ladies are trained well to understand western ways of having sex. But there is no reason why you can't have good experience with Thai ladies all over the place, if you learn to understand their ways.

[Dan7373]

Here is an example of conical (puffy) nipples massage lady I'd like to go with.http://www.wowasian.com/images/potd/june_piya.jpgOne frustrating thing about choosing massage ladies. Is that they all hide their tits. And there is no way for a guy to know just how attractive the lady's tits are until he takes her out for a massage. If anyone in this forum has met a massage lady with conical nipples similar to the example I gave above. I certainly would like to know where to find her.Her massage skills don't matter to me. It's her tits I'd like to play with for a while.

[NicFrenchy]

But there is no reason why you can't have good experience with Thai ladies all over the place, if you learn to understand their ways.While this may be accurate for a non P4P lady, I must say that most ladies I have been with in Thailand (my thai Giks) like it just the way we do it in the old west.They are open to new things adn so far have not been disappointed (or maybe I like to think so). Lots of my giks tell me they love Farangs because sex is much better than with Thai men (who seem to be very selfish). You not need to learn the "thai ways", we're not going to the temple but just having a gratifying sex experience. I think the ladies like it just the way they get it. In the case of Miss FAR, well, you can't really say that he did anything wrong, maybe she is jaded? maybe it's just a job for her and she was having a bad day? in any case, P4P should be done YOUR way, the girl is paid to perform what you want (withink certain limits of course). She can choose to do it enthusiastically or else you must remind her that there are certain minimum standards she needs to do for the 1,500. When I indulge in P4P, I tell the lady what I like and very few have said "no" so far. if the lady doesn't want to do a BBBJ for example, smile adn tell her you will change and get another lady, she is then faced with a choice. Most times she will proceed with a BBBJ (which she does with her Bf anyhow).

[NicFrenchy]

Here is an example of conical (puffy) nipples massage lady I'd like to go with.http://www.wowasian.com/images/potd/june_piya.jpgOne frustrating thing about choosing massage ladies. Is that they all hide their tits. And there is no way for a guy to know just how attractive the lady's tits are until he takes her out for a massage. If anyone in this forum has met a massage lady with conical nipples similar to the example I gave above. I certainly would like to know where to find her.Her massage skills don't matter to me. It's her tits I'd like to play with for a while.I love those kind of tits myself :DBest thing to do would be to print the picture and ask the Mamasans/Papasans/Cashiers for the same style of tits. They will quickly understand what you are looking for and may present you with a few girls that might show you the tits before you decide. I think they have heard it all anyhow so the tits hunt will be far from the worse request they have had.

[Randsurfer]

and are you an idiot? (yes)Hey Nic,I'll be in Bkk around April. I'd like to meet up with you.

[Dan7373]

While this may be accurate for a non P4P lady, I must say that most ladies I have been with in Thailand (my thai Giks) like it just the way we do it in the old west.They are open to new things adn so far have not been disappointed (or maybe I like to think so). Lots of my giks tell me they love Farangs because sex is much better than with Thai men (who seem to be very selfish).....I've spent some time in Isaan not far from the local P4P place, where only Thai men visit. And the ladies at this place are better looking than I've seen in many bars in Pattaya. I've asked around why don't some of these ladies go to Bangkok or Pattaya, where farangs have a lot more money and usually pay more for their ladies. And the answer I got was that these ladies prefer the fun of being with young, sexy, Thai men instead of with some old or middle-aged and not so sexy farangs. Apparently, money is not the only thing these ladies care about.It's hard to know whom to believe. But perhaps not all Thai ladies are the same. Some of them like Thai men. And some like farangs.It's possible that the less attractive Thai ladies don't have much success with Thai men. And that might be why they have something against them. But the more attractive Thai ladies get a lot better treatment from their Thai men. That might be why they prefer them.The way guys treat a lady depends a lot on how attractive she looks to them. And not all ladies experience the same thing with Thai men.

[Great Guy]

DATY in Thailand is something only farangs like to do. This kind of thing is considered 'dirty' in Thailand. And many Thai ladies, professional or not, never become comfortable with it.But Thai ladies are quite receptive to well-lubricated hand-to-pussy massage. Which is essentially the same thing as DATY, except you do it with your hand and not with your mouth.Also, many Thai ladies expect their man to be 'strong'. Which means that they expect their man to make the fist move, when it comes to having sex. Very good points, Dan! Thanks. I'm somewhat aware of these differences, but your comments help to point out that we need to keep these things in mind. It's easy to forget and to just slip into old patterns, but part of the fun is trying a new approach.GG

[Great Guy]

While this may be accurate for a non P4P lady, I must say that most ladies I have been with in Thailand (my thai Giks) like it just the way we do it in the old west.They are open to new things adn so far have not been disappointed (or maybe I like to think so). Lots of my giks tell me they love Farangs because sex is much better than with Thai men (who seem to be very selfish). You not need to learn the "thai ways", we're not going to the temple but just having a gratifying sex experience. I think the ladies like it just the way they get it. Dan7373's comments are well taken (need to understand the cultural differences), but I also agree with you that, especially in the P4P situation, the girl should be willing to perform to the customer's standards (within limits). And, in most cases, I've found that they do and that they at least seem to enjoy it. Part of the turn-on for me is seeing the girl get turned-on and I would think she would get the same turn-on by by getting positive feedback from her customer, even if (maybe even because) the approach and techniques are new or different. By the way, I'll have to plead ignorance and ask you for a definition of the term "Gik." I've seen it used quite often, but have yet to decipher the meaning. Thanks!GG

[M P Lurker]

Here is an example of conical (puffy) nipples massage lady I'd like to go with.http://www.wowasian.com/images/potd/june_piya.jpgOne frustrating thing about choosing massage ladies. Is that they all hide their tits. And there is no way for a guy to know just how attractive the lady's tits are until he takes her out for a massage. If anyone in this forum has met a massage lady with conical nipples similar to the example I gave above. I certainly would like to know where to find her.Her massage skills don't matter to me. It's her tits I'd like to play with for a while.Ah yes nipples are hidden, but some are showing cleavage. Can often tell the fake ones or if unsure ask the papasan.The topless gogo bars are better for breast enthusiasts really since you can see the whole thing properly.I have previously recommended MP girls with great tits ans small waists, but am not sure if nipples will always meet your high standards.I like just medium sized nipples preferably dark coloured.Tall Noi at Long Gun has very nice breasts and nipples but she is a difficult girl. So recommended just to perve at. LOLDon't really know any swollen nipple girls and the girl in your pick is not really my taste in nipples. They are too much for me.

[John Euro]

John and NicI'm confused, is she at Akane 33 or Akane Chitlom? Thought she moved from 33 to Chitlom some time back last year?Btw, had Mika and her nice natural tits but got much better service from Miki ;)That was only for one or two days as Mika told me, yes Miki is or was a wild devil before, but here behavior went over the edge.JE

[Run Mann]

By the way, I'll have to plead ignorance and ask you for a definition of the term "Gik." I've seen it used quite often, but have yet to decipher the meaning. Thanks!GGHaving an extra companion on the side.

[Great Guy]

Having an extra companion on the side.Thanks, Run Mann! That helps, and makes sense from the context where I've seen it used. But I'm still a bit confused about how that translates to G-I-K. Girl-in-kind? Girl-in-something else? Seems like "girl on the side" would be G-O-S, or something like that. Hmmmmm. But I appreciate your help! GG

[Great Guy]

I usually hang out around Sukhumvit or at the massage parlors near Huai Khwang or Phetchaburi. But last night I decided to try something different, so I headed to Chinatown to check out a couple of massage parlors there, Cleopatra and Texas. I wasn't expecting much since I thought these were second or third level places (compared to parlors like La Belle, Utopia, Nataree, Colonze 2, etc.). And perhaps they are, but my trip turned out to be much more rewarding than I thought it would be.First, I stopped at Cleopatra (about a 5 minute walk from the Hua Lampong MRT station). I found a rather interesting fishbowl (with about 10 girls in it) where, rather than the usual large window or just a large opening, it was sort of like looking through portholes at the girls inside. The girls didn't look all that bad. I would say they ranged from 6's to 8's. But none of them really caught my interest, so I decided to move on to Texas (not the state of Texas, of course, but the Texas MP, about another 6 or 8 minute walk). I wanted to see what Texas looked like anyhow. Texas is a little bit tricky to find if you haven't been there before. (Let me know if you want more detailed directions.) There I found a more normal fishbowl with about 8 girls inside and a couple of side-liners outside. Papasan Lou (nice guy) told me the fishbowl girls were 1500 Baht (for 2 hours) and they looked better to me than the sideliners so I didn't ask the price for those. I would rate the fishbowl girls from 7's to 9's. At least there was one 9-rated one and I chose her (Ying, no. 10).Ying is quite cute, perhaps a bit older. Maybe in her late 20's. But very nice to look at. She's rather petite but has nice, natural C-cup breasts. And she has a very nice personality and attitude. She speaks very limited English, but we got along just fine with my limited Thai and a bit of sign-language.I was quite impressed with the room compared to my lower expectations. It wasn't as luxurious as at some of the Huai Khwang/Petch parlors, but it was of moderate size (rather than being cramped) and had a nice tub. Ying had me in the tub within about 5 minutes and started a very thorough washing along with a much-above-average quality massage. I suspect she must have had some genuine massage training since her technique was great. I was beginning to like her more and more.Then, before the first 30 minutes were up, it was off to the bed where she started with a bit of a nice "cat-bath" leading up to a good BBBJ (and her technique was great in this regard, too. Really great). She soon had me ready for the main course (meaning I certainly couldn't hold off for much longer) which began with some very energetic cowgirl action. Then I flipped her over and began a nice DATY session for which she seemed quite receptive. It was then on to various positions alternating with more DATY (and I think the DATY brought her to "the Big O" at least once if not twice). Suffice it to say that the two hours passed very quickly, and actually I lost track of the time but I think we may have ended up with a bit more than two hours (a VERY pleasant two hours or a bit more).All in all, I was VERY much impressed with my time at Texas and with Ying. Both certainly exceeded my expectations and I'm definitely going back. Great value for the money. I would say that this session surpassed many (in fact, most) I've had at the bigger, more famous, parlors. Both Ying and Lou deserved, and received, a nice tip.In short (if it's not too late for that): I found a Gem in Chinatown! Great GuyEDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Daddy07]

...I'm still a bit confused about how that translates to G-I-K. Girl-in-kind? Girl-in-something else? Seems like "girl on the side" would be G-O-S, or something like that. Hmmmmm...GGYour confusion stems from the fact that "gik" is not a western term but a Thai expression for a fuck buddy. Both men and women can have giks. So you can have a wife with whom you are married; a girlfriend with whom you go with; and a gik with whom you meet primarily for sex.

[Great Guy]

Your confusion stems from the fact that "gik" is not a western term but a Thai expression for a fuck buddy. Both men and women can have giks. So you can have a wife with whom you are married; a girlfriend with whom you go with; and a gik with whom you meet primarily for sex.Ah-ha! Thanks much! So, as they say, it (the meaning) was lost in translation. I need to find a good dictionary of Thai idiomatic expressions.GG

[M P Lurker]

By the way, I'll have to plead ignorance and ask you for a definition of the term "Gik." I've seen it used quite often, but have yet to decipher the meaning. Thanks!GGGik is like "Gig". A girl that you have dates or assignations with from time to time. Different from a girlfriend in that its not full time full on, but a bit more casual. There is an implication that you are not "in love" with a Gik but meet for fun and benefits (usually sexual).The Gik must realise that she doesn't own you.However some are not that happy when they find out that there are other Giks. One Gik cut me off when It seemed I was busy with someone else, even though her personal life was very secret.Meetings with Giks should be not too frequent. Otherwise will go stale and she will try to "own" you.I prefer not to use the word Gik for girls that are P4P, but have used it for girls that are ex-P4P, which is stretching the definition a bit, as although the girls seem to be wanting the sex part they may be looking for some financial assist too. At least they have complete control over who they screw.So I think Gik should imply that the girl wants to have sex for enjoyment purposes.Just my opinions.

[David 2]

By the way, I'll have to plead ignorance and ask you for a definition of the term "Gik." I've seen it used quite often, but have yet to decipher the meaning. Thanks! GGThis website has a rather longwinded explanation for GIK: I think it's worth reading.Cheershttp://www.thaiskale.com/journal/gig-kik-gik-lovers-in-thailand-thai-casual-polygamy-sexual-culture-%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5-%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%8A%E0%B8%81/

[Run Mann]

Ah-ha! Thanks much! So, as they say, it (the meaning) was lost in translation. I need to find a good dictionary of Thai idiomatic expressions.GGhttp://www.learningthai.com/index.php

[M P Lurker]

But none of them really caught my interest, so I decided to move on to Texas (not the state of Texas, of course, but the Texas MP, about another 6 or 8 minute walk). I wanted to see what Texas looked like anyhow. Texas is a little bit tricky to find if you haven't been there before. (Let me know if you want more detailed directions.) Texas is marked quite acurrately on this Map should anyone want to have a look:http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.740448,100.512661&spn=0.006691,0.009785&z=17

[Cunning Stunt]

About time you changed your handle! Your old one was perilously, one interchanged letter, short of guaranteeing you fully paid up membership of brownhatters.com ;).Your new handle is appropriate. However, reminds me of the old joke about two massage girls in the bath.One says 'Where's the soap?'. The other replies 'Yes it does, doesn't it'.Thinking about altering mine. Some people have assumed that I'm a frog (sorry Nic).Maybe I'll change it to Cupid Stunt:D.

[Daddy07]

About time you changed your handle!...Oh, I already miss Mick Licker and simply cannot understand why he changed his handle to Soap Fan without telling us. What was he thinking? Yesterday I'm looking at his post; I look away for just a second; when I come back he's now Soap Fan. It freaked me out.Where I come from, "Soap Fan" would be interpreted as a person who is a fan of (addicted to) Soap Operas. You know, the soaps on TV? If only Mick would have sought input before his decision, perhaps he would now be "Soapy Fan," which, of course, he is, but even that still sounds like an electrical appliance attached to a bar of soap.Mick is a man who loves to lick pussy, hence the name: Mick Licker! Soap Fan just doesn't cut it. :DNicFrenchy, if you're listening out there, please give us a heads up before you decide to change your handle to Oil Fan.

[Great Guy]

Texas is marked quite acurrately on this Map should anyone want to have a look:http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.740448,100.512661&spn=0.006691,0.009785&z=17You're right. The map is very accurate! But some additional landmarks help: Go past what Triaimita (Temple of the Golden Buddha) and on to the King Birthday celebration arch, turn right, go about 100 feet and then cross over to Th. Yaowarat (angling slightly to the left) and go about 2 blocks until the China Town Hotel is directly on your left (across the street). There, immediately turn right into the small Soi where you find Texas, after about 100 feet, on your right.But thank you, Soap Fan (if I can get used to that! ), for all your fantastic info, maps, comments, etc. ! I was a bit taken aback when I saw all the "Soap Fan" post on here. Just doesn't seem the same. But I'm sure I'll get used to it.If you're around Sukhumvit in the next week or so, I'd love to buy you a Singha (or whatever). After that I have to head for home, but I'll be back. So many girls, so little time! Lot of work keeping them happy. But somebody's have to do it and I try to do my part.GG

[M P Lurker]

Oh, I already miss Mick Licker and simply cannot understand why he changed his handle to Soap Fan without telling us. What was he thinking? Yesterday I'm looking at his post; I look away for just a second; when I come back he's now Soap Fan. It freaked me out.Where I come from, "Soap Fan" would be interpreted as a person who is a fan of (addicted to) Soap Operas. You know, the soaps on TV? If only Mick would have sought input before his decision, perhaps he would now be "Soapy Fan," which, of course, he is, but even that still sounds like an electrical appliance attached to a bar of soap.Mick is a man who loves to lick pussy, hence the name: Mick Licker! Soap Fan just doesn't cut it. :DNicFrenchy, if you're listening out there, please give us a heads up before you decide to change your handle to Oil Fan.Fortunately I have no idea what brownhatters are but I am not at all kinky, in fact very plain.I wanted to make it as short as possible, so the Y got dropped. My first choice was "Y Diner" in keeping with the the original meaning, but I decided on something very plain and innocuous.Yeh, its boring, on purpose. I had to eliminate a few better names that were too obviously me. Its good that the meaning is misinterpretable.There was a guy changed his handle to "Smelly Pussy". Now that's just a bit too ugly. I could have been "Fragrant Pussy Fan", but again its too long.

[JPF]

Check the map on their website before going to Hana for the first time because it is not easy to find on Soi 22. It is well in from Sukhumvit and has only a small sign. Also on the map, the "Animal shop" on the corner isn't very prominent; you have to look in the window to see a poster with animals on it.Rin looks pretty good for a mamasan. Better than I was expecting from the description on this forum. For someone in the business so long her English isn't very good.The massage was good but not in the top category of massages I have had. The was my first balls massage so I can't compare but it wasn't as great as I had hoped. Overall it was a good experience but for me not up to the level of the raves that others have given.

[Centaurus]

My friend went with Dao and from what he said she deserves her #2 ranking. He had a great time. But, note that he said they had an even better experience at Luxury massage (off Soi 19).Darn, that is an interesting comment!!

[Great Guy]

This website has a rather longwinded explanation for GIK: I think it's worth reading.Cheershttp://www.thaiskale.com/journal/gig-kik-gik-lovers-in-thailand-thai-casual-polygamy-sexual-culture-%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5-%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%8A%E0%B8%81/Hey David, That must be THE Definitive guide to the meaning of Gik! I'm almost tempted to say "More than I ever wanted to know. " But, actually, I did want to know. So that treatise was (is) a great answer to my question! The interesting thing is that I've had a few Giks of my own, but never knew that was what they should be called. And, fortunately or unfortunately, I have one right now that comes pretty close to the definition (although she's a little bit more possessive than I would like, so maybe she doesn't completely fit the definition). This is one of those cases where I try to keep other "playmates" secret from her (although I'm quite sure she's aware) and she does the same with me.Anyhow, thanks very much for the referral to that website! Great Guy

[Raptors]

Last night I was bored. So I went from my hotel a bit out and wandered. Went to soi cowboy, but the atmosphere in the end isn't my cup of tea. Then since I was already once at Luxury I though what the heck why not go again and look who is availabe. One recommendation I got from one of the posters here (the expert of Luxury) was Milk. Milk was available so Milk it was. Actually she already has some mileage as she told me she is 29 but I like it a bit more mature.Well she has a beautiful body which is really nice with nice breasts. She immediately showered with me and she got completely undressed immediately for the massage. Her massage technique actually was excellent and I felt afterwards quite refreshed and relaxed. I made it clear from the beginning that I was interested of course in Full Service. She never negotiated with me price because she understood from our discussion (as her english is decent) that I was aware of the price structure. So after everything she gave a very good BBBJ and a good sex session followed and she finished me nicely by CIM. And everything was totally unrushed and friendly. Another shower and then I was on my way again.So overall:Face 7Body 8Kissing: 6 ( only lightly,)BBBJ: 8FS: 7GFE:6Overall: 7Considered it a very nice session, would choose her again and i find her recommendable.

[M P Lurker]

The "best" list needs to be revised a bit because many of the ladies on it are no longer working..Can you be a bit more specific? I know Nong, Pu, and Fly are gone. Can you specify some more?Different girls have different styles and suit different customers, so popular superstars shouldn't be considered to have #1, #2 rankings etc. as was purely dependent on number of different guys recommending, but not really an indicator of any one performing better than another.Guitar is certainly getting very popular considering one of the more recent girls.

[Vito Corleone]

Places with pretty girls do not necessarily have the best performers. Sometimes you have to get lucky or have the right chemistry. So although Nataree has a lot of pretty girls, its hard to find a really experienced top performer there, or I have been unlucky. Maybe they are too young and untrained.So Soapies I regard as having a good lineup of reasonably pretty girls:1. Nataree2. Tarawadee (some stunners)3. Infinity JC4. Emmanuelle5. Amsterdam6. UtopiaHonourable mentions:Selene/Tharnthong, Poseidon, Copa Cabana, Longbeach.I intend to try IDA shortly.Other places I would be prepared to have another look at:Nancy, Victoria Secret, Noar, ChaoPraya 2, Bangkok Cozy, Meree, Sao Botan, Plaza Entertainment, Colonze 1It has been 5 years since I last visited, but here is my list.1. Poseidon2. Champs-Elysees (not sure if they are still around)3. The rest were pretty much the same.Both had some of the hottest models around. Nataree's lineup must have really improved since then. I remember the place being old & somewhat dirty. @ that time the only reason to visit was it opened 1 hour later than the rest of the big MP's.Bareback argument:50% of the top models @ Poseidon & Champs offered bareback. Some jumped on top during the slip & slide in the bath tub. These were not the "fish bowl" girls located in the lower levels. These were the hot models located in the upper levels. Well, if I remember correctly, Champs only had models available.

[JPF]

Can you be a bit more specific? I know Nong, Pu, and Fly are gone. Can you specify some more?Different girls have different styles and suit different customers, so popular superstars should't be considered to have #1, #2 rankings etc. as was purely dependent on number of different guys recommending, but not really an indicator of any one performing better than another.Guitar is certainly getting very popular considering one of the more recent girls.I am sorry but I didn't take notes. The only one I remember that has "retired" was Nong.The rankings were based on the list given here in this forum. I'm sure we all agree that it is impossible to get a consensus list. But I was happy to use the list as a starting point.

[JPF]

My friend and I hit the massage places on Rachadaphisek today. He took a girl from Poseidon, me from Nataree. We both had good experiences.Nataree had a bunch of young girls, including 3 that the papasan said were virgins and he wouldn't answer how old they were. Young isn't really my thing so I don't remember all the prices but he went up by age, 18, 19, 20, ... with at least 6 in each age bracket and prices going down with age. I was happy with an older, more experienced girl from the fishbowl.Poseidon also had a good lineup. The 500 farang surcharge was still in effect. Emanuelle's lineup wasn't great and the other places we went didn't have many girls.

[M P Lurker]

Well, if I remember correctly, Champs only had models available.5 years is a long time ago.Champs Elysses is now called Amsterdam.I would have said that bare-backing was very common 15 years ago but not that common for girls to try "jump on you" at soapies 5 years ago, however I was not using the high priced "model" categories.

[Member #3428]

This joint, which has a special and expensive pricing system, is called Ran-Maru. Located in soi 33/3 aka soi Wall Street.Have a look at their website: http://www.ranmaru1919.com/index2.htmlRan Maru is very expensive IMHO and I spend a lot of time on Soi 33... and there's a name (Green Parrot in the original report http://www.greenparrotbangkok.com/ ) that I haven't heard in a while. I used to like that place and go there a lot. Have to add it back on my list of things to do :) .

[Vito Corleone]

5 years is a long time ago.Champs Elysses is now called Amsterdam.I would have said that bare-backing was very common 15 years ago but not that common for girls to try "jump on you" at soapies 5 years ago, however I was not using the high priced "model" categories.Does Amsterdam have a wide variety of girls or only models? Does Poseidon still have the hot Russian babes on the 3rd floor?Only 2 models jumped on me in the tub. Both were repeat sessions. Most just asked if I wanted to use a condom. I always brought my own since those Thai Durex finger condoms were way too small. I think I did a total of 25-30 models & bareack was hard to resist. Did I partake...............I forgot.

[Traveler1234]

Ran Maru is very expensive IMHO and I spend a lot of time on Soi 33... .Can someone translate the option and/or pricing section (just the highlights) - is it similar to Akane?And of course, anxiously awaiting your field report :D

[Member #3428]

Can someone translate the option and/or pricing section (just the highlights) - is it similar to Akane?And of course, anxiously awaiting your field report :DTrying to remember what I paid... It was confusing to me, they had a part about hand job only, then a part about body and lip. If I remember correctly it was between 1500 and 2000 for two hours depending on the type of basic service. That had it priced differently for hand jobs and for body / lip service is how it was told to me. It is a nice place but my service was no better or worse then others. Was a relaxing fulfilling time but was not one of the top times.

[Mackin]

I didn't think it was expensive. Pricing I used was 1600 for 1 1/2 hour with 500 for full service. . 2100 baht total plus tip. They have other than oily to offer and there are times of 1 hour and 2 hours. I didn't use them but if I remember it was 1500 for 1 hour and 1700 for 2 hours .Rate of 500 for special stayed the same. This is oil price .

[M P Lurker]

Does Amsterdam have a wide variety of girls or only models? Does Poseidon still have the hot Russian babes on the 3rd floor?Models is just a euphemism for more expensive usually young. Amsterdam prices start moderately high in the lowest category at 2600 Baht when I last checked.I have only looked at Poseidon upper level two or three times as girls were not prettier than normal fish bowl. Did not notice any Russians. Poseidon has not been a favourite place for some time so I should revisit. I never found a favourite girl there.

[M P Lurker]

Ran Maru is very expensive IMHO and I spend a lot of time on Soi 33... and there's a name (Green Parrot in the original report http://www.greenparrotbangkok.com/ ) that I haven't heard in a while. I used to like that place and go there a lot. Have to add it back on my list of things to do :) .Its now added to Map:http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.734237,100.568311&spn=0.006691,0.009785&z=17

[NicFrenchy]

Some people have assumed that I'm a frog (sorry Nic).No Problem, I am proud to be a Frog :D after all, we are known to be smelly, ugly and cheap, who wouldn't want to be French? I wonder LOL

[NicFrenchy]

NicFrenchy, if you're listening out there, please give us a heads up before you decide to change your handle to Oil Fan.Well that's a brilliant thought! but nah, I've decided to keep me name ;)

[NicFrenchy]

My friend went with Dao and from what he said she deserves her #2 ranking. He had a great time. But, note that he said they had an even better experience at Luxury massage (off Soi 19).Fuck me! now all the ISG dogs are gonna show up at my fav place :(Just time for me to find a new one. Thankfully, I got just the thing: a mind blowing experience (4 times in a row) at a good Oily on Sukhumvit :D

[NicFrenchy]

Considered it a very nice session, would choose her again and i find her recommendable.And she gets even better with repeat visits :D

[M P Lurker]

Despite the service being absolutely zilch, she provided a genuine (I think) GFE on bed. Its funny that a guy would use the term GFE for a girl who wasn't much good. This must show what we think of GFs. LOL ;)Does the price matter Nic?Several unenthusiastic reports for this place already.

[Joe Nailer]

Its funny that a guy would use the term GFE for a girl who wasn't much good. This must show what we think of GFs. LOL ;)Does the price matter Nic?Several unenthusiastic reports for this place already.I dont know your definition of the service. To me it is the total package.The shagging itself was quite good for the reason I gave. I should have said "zilch apart from one thing", this I hope ,makes you happy. I didn't get into the details of their/her failings.The damage? 1500 TIP, c1300 for the ticket. I was happy with 1500, but considering the other "services", 1300 was too much.Nick/mic or mick/nic, I think we need more field reports, don't you think? :)

[M P Lurker]

Nick/mic or mick/nic, I think we need more field reports, don't you think? :)Not sure what you saying here.If you should like to check the history of this thread, I think you might find that NicFrenchy and myself (ML) are very large contributors in total field reports.Unfortunately I am not in Thailand at the moment so my field reports are appearing in another thread.But I agree that an increase in field reports by guys visiting MPs in BKK would be nice.

[John Euro]

Back in BKK and on to Soi 19. Thought to find my ex Sazanka Fav there, When I came in, there was a good looking lady in front of the reception, she told (commanded) me to sit down, she lost already all here points to me but I had the impression that this was mamasan, so nothing wrong.I asked for my Fav by name and she came out of the annex room, it was a big surprise to see me there. From the top of the menu I took the Aroma oil at 600Thb / h for 1. 5h, and everything lower like milk and lotion etc was even more expensive for 1h, the kind of oil makes no difference in the treatment you gone get there, why? No need for expensive oils when going for FS or so. She guided me up to the room, She: you came for me? How you knowMe: yes I do, you like it, you friend M. Told me.She: vellly good.massage different here, not Sakanza style, you know? Me: yes I know, you can do also? .She: ok, me work only part time, can not do many day this massageMe: you shower with me, no plobellemShe, Ok, you wait me here.And she went back to get the aroma oil and toolbox, get both undressed and in to the shower, than she asked, FS 1600 thb Ok you, me no way, I pay only standard price 1500, she 1600 ? no again ? she did not gave up, mentioning something like " new policy " or so and this kept going on till I told here to stop and would go only for a HJ. In the meantime the shower work was done, she brought the light down till almost dark, saying " me very shy " and started with back massage and good teasing. Turn around and slowly on with the HJ, the question where I was waiting for came up, you like BJ, O yes, she 1100 thb, no way, told here 1000 and she finally agreed.After working 4 year in Sazanka she knows how to handle a HJ and I had a perfect BJ from here there as well, I gave here there always a good tip for extra service she did to me above the Std Sazanka package, no complaints but she may not try to bring up the Std 500 ? 1000 ? 1500 service pricing, no way, I refused as a principle only, not for that additional 100 thb as the tip would be normally more.When I agreed for BJ, she said again, me very shy, get of the bed, turned the light almost completely down, took a tissue from the box to clean here lips and came back on me where she gave me a remarkable BJ with a lot of hand work, I was rimming and working on here pussy and I tried for DATY and she said, 100 Thb extra, I kept my finger inside instead of the DATY, when she had the feelling that I was cuming after a long time mouth and handwork (on purpose) she took him for a second deep throat and finished it by hand, great job.She very shy, my ass, no way, the light must go down so that I could not see that she took a condom from the box in to here mouth, it must have been an oversize one as I almost did not feel it but I know what was happen, a newbie would have never noticed this as this was professionally done and it did not disturb me at all that?s why I did not complain at all beside the fact did she gave me at Sazanka a BBBJ. Why the deep throat, to remove the raincoat of course. Final result, I paid here the 1000 thb without any tip, (have to learn that up sell does not work) told here I would come back for more but for standard pricing.Little remark, The girl at the reception let me choose the oil from samples, I took a strong smelling one, the oil that actually as been using for the massage was regular oil and not the one I asked for, she used only a little bit of it, looks like they scam a bit here also.Before I left the MP, I asked to see the menu again and saw at the bottom regular oil massage 60 min for 300 or 350Thb/ h so they keep the lowest price on purpose at the bottom of the list and not at the top, a bit tricky done this way. Not sure if I go back, told me business is low there and they try to bring the BKK prices up.JEEDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[M P Lurker]

After working 4 year in Sazanka she knows how to handle a HJ and I had a perfect BJ from here there as well, I gave here there always a good tip for extra service she did to me above the Std Sazanka package, no complaints but she may not try to bring up the Std 500 ? 1000 ? 1500 service pricing, no way, I refused as a principle only, not for that additional 100 thb as the tip would be normally more.Are you saying that she forgot that you used to tip above normal price? Seems unlikely. Could it be you have forgotten? I generally find that girls that know me remember if I have tipped extra before and don't even discuss the price.Anyway due to dickering over 100 Baht you missed out on FS and DATY. However you feel the moral victory?I have not experienced this upsell in a Thai MP, so I wouldn't know how irritating it might be.Could it be some girls have decided its time for a pay rise as they have been on 1500 for so long and times are tough?Nic reckoned that there were hardly any girls left at Exclusive, and that some of their girl web pics might be faked. Any comment?Is tiny Lek still there?

[M P Lurker]

I went there at 7:00 pm thinking I might catch one of the stars after she had finished a session (or 2 or 3) with some of the early come-ers (no pun intended) but before the later evening customers arrived. Wrong! There were only 3 girls available, none of which were on my "to-do" (or "do-again") list. Er, unfortunately 10 flower girls went on pilgrimage to "tham bun" (make merit) at the Holy Mountain in Chanthaburi. Back to normal Wednesday I believe. There were some superstars left over, no doubt but probably most were busy.It pays to ring and book if possible.

[NicFrenchy]

Does the price matter Nic?I believe it does, not that I really want to know but it is always informative to have prices posted in the reviews (I am not talking about Tips).

[Raptors]

Er, unfortunately 10 flower girls went on pilgrimage to "tham bun" (make merit) at the Holy Mountain in Chanthaburi. Back to normal Wednesday I believe. There were some superstars left over, no doubt but probably most were busy.It pays to ring and book if possible.I can confirm this because I have talked to one of the girls - she also has been on the pilgrimage - everything should be back to normal today or tomorrow.

[Run Mann]

Why post comments you don't validate/support? then better not post them at all because the way your post was written, I thought it was your opinion and not you repeating from others.As usual, you selectively read or failed to grasp what was written but I won't summarize the entire discussion as it is barely a day old and readily available for perusing.

[Rocksoff]

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was asking how many reports the same guy reported in total and on how many other topics.i.e. Can we be convinced that he was a real regular poster. Anyone can write to sound realistic in a single post, but probably can't be bothered waiting to build up a long history before promoting their own cause.Hey. Just happened across this .. That guy was me :-) You can decide for yourself if I'm real ..

[M P Lurker]

Hey. Just happened across this .. That guy was me :-) You can decide for yourself if I'm real ..I am sure you are real, mate. For the record, you are quoting a post of mine from a nearly year ago.I was commenting on a Forcejam report:http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=702892&postcount=312and merely asking if the person he was quoting (maybe you) had posted enough reports to be believable, as I didn't use that other forum, so I had no information of my own to form any opinion. I didn't mean to imply any fakeness whatsoever.So you posted the original Irie report on another forum, is that right? If it had been a first report, one could consider the possibility of someone making up something to promote some place. These things do happen, but I'm sure not you.But once a poster builds up a long history of posts, he becomes more credible, if most of the posts sound sensible and show a true experience.

[Rocksoff]

I am sure you are real, mate. For the record, you are quoting a post of mine from a nearly year ago.Time flies heh? I was just validating that old post with the history built up since ..
So you posted the original Irie report on another forum, is that right? Indeed, I had just visited Bangkok from Singapore at that time.

[M P Lurker]

I sometimes wish Aey would write more often here - things were a bit "difficult" for her at the beginning here in this forum, but it should be worth it to try again. Lately she was doing a very good job in other boards.GiottoI think Aey is smarter not to post, because her style was too defensive which attracted a lot of flack, some of it very mean.If she could have stuck to providing information (facts) only, would have worked better.

[M P Lurker]

Look, for 1,700 thb you get 2 hours and guaranteed 2 pops: No other place in Sukh will guarantee you that. Come now Nic, if you pay only 1700 with no tip to girl, you are very stingy indeed. :( I know you would have some sympathy for the girl and pay more than this for 2 shots! :)Get real man! ;)The girl will not be at all happy without a reasonable extra tip as she gets very little. Its not realistic to quote this as the total price IMHO.

[Daddy07]

Come now Nic, if you pay only 1700 with no tip to girl, you are very stingy indeed. :( I know you would have some sympathy for the girl and pay more than this for 2 shots! :)Get real man! ;)The girl will not be at all happy without a reasonable extra tip as she gets very little. Its not realistic to quote this as the total price IMHO.Yes, posters who fail to quote the full price, including tip, should be warned once by Jackson, and banned for life upon the next infraction. :D(Well, at least the normal, average, expected, demanded, or recommended tip.)

[John Euro]

Anyway due to dickering over 100 Baht you missed out on FS and DATY. However you feel the moral victory?Any comment?Is tiny Lek still there?Exclusive at Soi 19Yes I did miss the FS part, but done on purpose, no problem, one can get laid every minute in BK as you know also. I did it not for the 100thb particularly, the tip would be more but more done for the way she insisted on it, I could not clearly understand what she said but it sounds like new girl policy or something like that, she knows I am many times in BK, told here I now the pricing 1500 but she said, new price is 1600, a newbie or one that desperately as to clean his pipe would have accepted it, for me it was more to cut off the price raise that they will force trough as I thought it was, as you said maybe girls forcing the price up, It was for me just helping to keep the standard where it is for all of you. Guy?s don?t send me a gold medal for this, LOLDifference is, sometimes at oilie?s when you ask HJ the girl thinks you are a tourist and ask 1000thb, you answer right away 500, I work in BK and know it, they accept and don?t discuss, this was different and forced.This is not about victory, the HJ / BJ session was perfect and I like that sometimes more than FS, half way the BJ, she asked me, you want go in? I said next time, I have done DATY on here before at Sakanza without price agreement, I gave here the tip according to, so she knows me. As I thought, it can be or must be a ? new company policy ? since they present a higher oil pricing than other MP?s above on the list.., a bit strange to meMy impression was that here where only 2 or 3 girls in the side room.

[Phantomtiger2]

Had plan to visit Catherine MP's last year during my visit but ended spending all my time in Pattaya instead.My last visit to Catherine MP was 2 year ago but it was closed at that time because it was raided Twice by the local cops and shut down.I heard it was not going to reopen or open under a different name. not sure what the status of this MP is at this time. Any mongers here try Catherines recently and if still open, is the policy still 2 shots in 2 hours?thanksPT

[M P Lurker]

Had plan to visit Catherine MP's last year during my visit but ended spending all my time in Pattaya instead.My last visit to Catherine MP was 2 year ago but it was closed at that time because it was raided Twice by the local cops and shut down.I heard it was not going to reopen or open under a different name. not sure what the status of this MP is at this time. Any mongers here try Catherines recently and if still open, is the policy still 2 shots in 2 hours?thanksPTI have called in there a couple of times in last year or so. Still going strong and busy with mainly Thai customers.I have never actually booked a girl as, although many young girls, there were none available that passed my minimum acceptable looks standard.La Defense (next door) had better a little better looking girls but a Farang surcharge.Victoria's Secret and Chai Lai (Colonze 4) are not far away, but I previously preferred Long Beach in Rama 9 area.

[Richo Stevens]

It's open, been there a couple of times last year, and a visit this January. But you've have to go there early to pick the gems. 2 shots it is, same goes for La Defense next door, which normally has a very nice side line.
Had plan to visit Catherine MP's last year during my visit but ended spending all my time in Pattaya instead.My last visit to Catherine MP was 2 year ago but it was closed at that time because it was raided Twice by the local cops and shut down.I heard it was not going to reopen or open under a different name. not sure what the status of this MP is at this time. Any mongers here try Catherines recently and if still open, is the policy still 2 shots in 2 hours?

[NicFrenchy]

Euro Massage (In the Euro Grande Hotel, formerly Euro Inn)This massage place used to pride itself for only having 100% real pictures and no Photoshopped nonsense, well, it looks like their policy changed... http://euromassage.allabout-thailand.com/ladies1.html

[M P Lurker]

Euro Massage (In the Euro Grande Hotel, formerly Euro Inn)This massage place used to pride itself for only having 100% real pictures and no Photoshopped nonsense, well, it looks like their policy changed... http://euromassage.allabout-thailand.com/ladies1.htmlI'll have to try again here. 2 or 3 cuties.Not the 2nd one who looks strange like an LB to me.

[Striker34]

After all the fine reports I thought I should try Yok so I made a booking and took the now familiar pilgrimage to Thonglor.I have to agree with the previous reports that Yok is attractive, very talented, orgasmic, charming, and fun to be with. Definitely a star!

[Striker34]

I had a couple of hours free of the TGF this afternoon but not enought to get to Ratchada or Suk.I have RTFF and checked the maps but no luck.Does anyone know of any MP in the northern Bangkok suburbs - Laksi / Don Muang area?Thanks

[M P Lurker]

I had a couple of hours free of the TGF this afternoon but not enought to get to Ratchada or Suk.I have RTFF and checked the maps but no luck.Does anyone know of any MP in the northern Bangkok suburbs - Laksi / Don Muang area?ThanksMost of us would not dream of staying around Laksi, so we cannot be very knowledgable. Tough luck if GF lives there.The map shows "Ocean" as being about 6-7 km from Laksi.So probably motorbike could get you there fairly quickly.Although exactly how long would take is a tough question.http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.873913,100.581894&spn=0.106991,0.156384&z=13Ngaamwongwan road is renowned for heavy traffic (I used to go along there to get to Nonthaburi) so thats why I suggested motorbike. Its only a little closer than Poseidon/Copacabana.Perhaps you should visit "Fortune Town" computer mall using the MRT subway but just happen to stop off at Ratchada also and actually spend very minimal time at Fortune. At least then have excuse for being missing say 3 hours.

[Phoenix949]

Heading to LOS and be in BKK end of March, any body informed about IDA in Rama3, any stunners there? Any experienced mongerers here, I am a tit man, what kind of service they provide? Any english speaking girls there?

[Raptors]

After all the fine reports I thought I should try Yok so I made a booking and took the now familiar pilgrimage to Thonglor.I have to agree with the previous reports that Yok is attractive, very talented, orgasmic, charming, and fun to be with. Definitely a star!Well can't agree she is really good and charming.

[Silom]

Soapfan kudos on an excellent reply.This type of specific info and positive report brings me back here.

[Striker34]

The map shows "Ocean" as being about 6-7 km from Laksi.Thanks for the advice Soap Fan - I'll check it out and report back

[M P Lurker]

For someone who stays around Nana, it would maybe be worth it to check out their book first and reserve for later instead of being discouraged by the fishbowl.Sounds like good advice for me as the fishbowl did not have any faces of the type that I like, and I know that you often like something similar to me.

[Plasmids]

Dear MembersI will be in BKK next month and would like some advice, if you had three days in BKK and could visit one oily, one soap and one general massage palour what would you suggest? Hope this is not a silly question.Thanks, Plasmid

[Zerocoolbkk]

Hey guys, I met this great girl that works in the Soapy MP and want to take her out for 3 or 4 days to the beach or somewhere. What is normally expected per day based on her taking time off from work? She normally gets 3000 and is a sideline girl.Let me know what is expected or fair to give her per day that she takes off.Thanks guys! Zero

[Canyon]

Hey guys, I met this great girl that works in the Soapy MP and want to take her out for 3 or 4 days to the beach or somewhere. What is normally expected per day based on her taking time off from work? She normally gets 3000 and is a sideline girl.Let me know what is expected or fair to give her per day that she takes off.Thanks guys! ZeroPrices vary from place to place, but in general, takeout is triple what one session would cost, so figure 9,000 per day. You can, however, always negotiate, and during these difficult times, you might succeed in getting a lower price. Ask, and if she quotes 9,000, counter with 5,000, and perhaps settle on 6,000 or 7,000.

[M P Lurker]

Prices vary from place to place, but in general, takeout is triple what one session would cost, so figure 9,000 per day. You can, however, always negotiate, and during these difficult times, you might succeed in getting a lower price. Ask, and if she quotes 9,000, counter with 5,000, and perhaps settle on 6,000 or 7,000.Consider that the girl probably makes 50 to 60% of the 3000, then 3 times that (but depends on how many customers she gets per day, some get only 1 or 2, others are very busy).So I conclude that 9000 is possibly unnecessarily high. She is probably going to be very happy with 5K to 6K Baht right now. I know one lower price category soapy girl that would think 4K was a hell of a lot as business is not booming.On the other hand my Utopia girl would be very disinterested by 4K and require probably 7K per day so its very dependent on how much money she makes normally, how bored she is with work, how much she likes you, how badly she needs money now, etc.You have to judge her super-class level carefully.I would definitely prefer her to mention a price first as its easy to be way off the mark, either too low or too high.Some girls don't want to go to the beach at all. Scared of getting darker skin.

[Pita123]

I have to agree with the previous reports that Yok is attractive, very talented, orgasmic, charming, and fun to be with. Definitely a star!After having spent the past 2 hours with Yok I have to say that your description above is a gross understatement.

[FlyingVisitor]

Is there anybody with recent experience at AVIVA massage Suk. soi 8 ?? Do they offer anal?I will be back to BKK next week.Thanks and regards to everybody.FV

[Member #3428]

Is there anybody with recent experience at AVIVA massage Suk. soi 8 ?? Do they offer anal?I will be back to BKK next week.Thanks and regards to everybody.FVI've always had good luck at Aviva but YMMV. Some do offer anal but it's not a necessity for me so in Jan this year I did not attempt on the girl I had.

[Theant]

Is there anybody with recent experience at AVIVA massage Suk. soi 8 ?? Do they offer anal?I will be back to BKK next week.Thanks and regards to everybody.FVI too had always good experiences at Aviva.I think Pang could satisfy your request.

[Phantomtiger2]

Thanks guys for the update on Catherines and Defense,BTW: whats the current prices for these 2 places?PT

[Rocksoff]

I dropped by here a few nights ago to see what's behind the big neon. Walked in, little lounge area with some tables and flatscreen TVs on the walls. Kinda dead, one table occupied. No one approaches me, so I approach desk at the back of the room. Ask so do they have massage here? Papasan takes over from receptionist, says yes have Japanese lotion massage with HJ for 999 (discounted from 1299), and he points out a lady on a flatscreen. Instead of a fishbowl they have closed circuit TV on a room with couches against the wall, occupied by a single lady at that time. Pretty useless for picking someone, angle from above so you can't see face and image too small to distinguish features anyway. No more information was volunteered, and I didn't feel like dragging it out of him, so I wandered off. The reason I say it's strange is that places like Akane or Sazanka seem to trump this place in every way -- friendly staff, clear menu, choice of ladies, and many customers -- yet this place looks more expensively outfitted. I guess there's more to it .. Location: walk south about 50m from Sutthisan MRT. There's a club of some kind next door.

[Easy2007]

Interesting but not unexpected comments.First up, you are the customer and you decide what you want, what you are willing to pay and who it will be with.Thai girls are lazy, and in this sense they all try to play on emotions that you should only take them, its bad to butterfly etc.I have said this time and time again, and say it again, girls who perform very well should get paid standard amounts (eg 1500B for FS).If you pay them an extra tip for standard service, they get lazy and expect more and more.Owing to this, they will try to keep their claws into those who overpay. They will still go with those who pay normal, but their ideal customer is the over payer.The over payer does not get anything extra, she is simply getting the most buck for her bang.All part of this charade is to try to make her "good tipper" get emotionally involved, either by "falling in love", or "not wanting to hurt her", or "not being a bad butterfly" or whatever they can to play on your emotions. They know most farang tourists are so used to getting abused by Western women, that the same "timid male" can be invoked by playing on their emotions in Thailand.All I will say is; You are the customer You decide what you want You do what you want You take who you want You do not care what yesterdays girl thinks. Its your cash, not hers, if she pays you she can decide, if you pay her she has no right to complain about what you do afterwards.There is no need to pay over 1500 baht for FS anywhere, loads of Thai stunners do it with Thai guys for less. What makes anyone think they have to pay more is beyond me.Its nice how the pre-credit crisis, I want it bigger than you, better than you, more expensive than you, newer than you, attitude that made many men feel parting with 6000 baht or 7000 baht for one night with a girl was ok, is now ending and desperation is beginning to sink in that the times of being able to rip off any tourist by getting them to pay more and more for standard service are ending too.Quite simply, 500 baht is a hand job, 1000 baht is a blow job, and 1500 baht is full sex at any decent massage place.If you want to pay more there are plenty of places willing to help you lose your money, just like Ferrari still sell cars for hundreds of thousands of dollars that will drive you from A to B just as well as a Toyota will.And for sure, massage girls will be very happy to take a 2000 baht tip or 300 baht tip and pretend you are "number 1" for them, while providing just the same service to someone paying 1500 baht too.Its time for mongers to wake up and smell the coffee. These girls will play your emotions. To them you are a walking ATM and its their mission to extract as much as possible from the ATM, and if they enjoy it or not, the objective of getting the money and keeping that money as a stable income is there.The world has changed, the abuse of credit and paying over the top for standard things is over, and that feeds down all avenues, even to topping in mongering places in Bangkok.Don't over tip.Don't let them play your emotions.And enjoy!
I was able to gain an extra day/night in Bangkok this week and I thought it would be good time to check out Tulip and find a replacement for my regular, the newly married Ms Nong. I arrived in Bangkok fairly late and it was probably after 21h30 before I got to Tulip. I introduced myself to Ms Nim at the desk, and explained my mission. She handed me the book. It?s been a long time since I looked at the book. Geez, the photos are just terrible! I asked to meet the ladies in person. Downstairs I went and I was surprised to see about 15 to 20 ladies present. Business is slow. I introduced myself and what I was interested in. (Well, they knew what I was interested in when I walked down the stairs, right?) Some chit-chat followed before I asked one of the ladies if she was interested in going out with me for the night. Offer accepted and I made the financial arrangements upstairs, while she changed.I?ve spent most of the last 3 days and all of nights with this lady. I?ve learned that- ? The Tulip downstairs is a snake pit of gossip. Hormonal imbalances pour fuel on the fire.? The girls really lose status if we butterfly. The second day, my new friend stopped in and got a ton of questions from her colleagues about whether TTG was coming back to choose another lady. The guys who butterfly get badmouthed, too. (Go figure. Prostitutes criticizing us for sexual promiscuity?)? During the discussion when I learned about this status losing/gaining, my friend said ?It?s ok you want another Tulip girl. I know guys want different sometimes.? Right. Later, in bed she asked me not to go with another Tulip girl. Please. Between the first statement and the second, we were watching a Thai movie about some guy who cheats on his wife. My friend said, ?If my husband ever do that, I cut off his dick.? Gulp! ? My new friend will not eat western food ? except for ice cream, which she consumes with gusto and in large amounts. ? She looks ridiculous in sexy underwear and my socks (because her feet get cold.) She looks much better without the underwear.? After I gave her a present of Valentines chocolates in bed, she said ?Oh yeh! You take off my bikini then give me present!? I told her that was from the heart. If a guy gives her chocolates first, be sure he wants to get her pants off.Nope, no name guys. Just an insight into what it?s like to spend more than two hours with one of the ladies. More to come. ~TTG

[NicFrenchy]

The behavior is actually so different that I've been wondering whether the fun atmosphere in Akane is due to management policy.Yes, I believe so. All the Akane ladies I have been with praise their Manager because he is said to be very generous, taking them on many paid holidays (always all together). I can guarantee you that many Regular run businesses don't do half of that for their own employees.I have taken many girls from Akane adn Never had any of the Butterfly bullshit you see elsewhere.

[NicFrenchy]

In my experience, the men who fight for the last baht are really not very happy and really don't enjoy life as much as the more generous people.Opebo might disagree to that.I for one don't overtip. Tip is considered a monetary reward for great performance so if the performance was ok, why tip?

[NicFrenchy]

My new Fav Massage Place (Sorry guys, I will keep it a secret for now) was not very busy and I got to talk with the Cashier/Mamasan who told me that 50% of her clientele was from Japan and the Other half from the UK (mostly expats, so guys who know what is good).We got to talk about business adn she said that despite the overall slowdown they have been doing ok due to a steady stream of Local business (Good for them). She of course starts to recognize me now and I get the VIP room Free of charge when it is not Occupied (see pic attached; expats in the know will recognize it).The girl I wanted was busy so I went in with a recommendation from the mamasan. She Chose miss N for me.We went up the room and I was happy about the VIP treatment (for sure will make for repeat business).I stripped and went to shower while she went to get her box. I was surprised when she joined me in the shower and started to give me a thorough wash followed by a BBBJ. Wow! Either the mamas and asked her to take good care of me or she does that to All customers. As she was giving me a very energetic BBBJ she smiled and paused to ask me “if you can finish many time, can finish inside now” I wasn’t sure whether I heard correctly, but I got the impression she was offering me a BBBJCIM in the Shower and more action to come on the bed. I am only a weak man who can’t say no to a woman so after a few minutes more, I let myself go inside her mouth. Great feeling! She washed me again and we moved to the bed.Am I an obvious man? Am I so easy to read? She did not even make any attempt at reaching for the oil bottle and went straight back to rimming and balls licking which got me hard again. I let her suck for another 10 minutes or so before flipping her and giving her a nice DATY round (she actually guided one of my fingers in her ass and seemed to take a lot of pleasure from it). We moved into 69 for some more time before she couldn’t take it anymore, out came the condom which she delicately rolled with her mouth. She commented on the Strawberry flavor and how she loved it (she even gave me a great DFK so that I could have a taste also).Without wasting any time she went on a cowgirl position, complimenting me on how hard my dick still was (yes, that’s pure TG Ego polishing for you, make the Farang feel good about himself LOL) and rode me very hard and fast. When I wanted to switch Positions she kept me down and I think was really after a cowgirl orgasm. She achieved her goal of wetting my groin area before collapsing on me and giving me some good French Kisses. I was still hard so Laid her down and went on a Mish(ion). I could see however that while she was enjoying herself, she looked tired and she told me she was tired from the earlier orgasm already. I didn’t bother continuing as I am not really into Necrophilia but asked her to finish me off with a BJ. She gave me another BBBJCIM and we cuddled for some time before she asked me if I wanted “one more”?I was also drained so we made our way to the shower.I did not realize that the initial 60 minutes Massage turned into a 2h30mn fuck-a-thon. Not a drop of Oil was used. I rewarded her accordingly for her efforts and left a VERY happy customer

[NicFrenchy]

New ladies @ Sweet Massage on Sukhumvit Soi 39http://www.sweetmassage39.com/

[NicFrenchy]

For the ANAL lovers, I regret to inform that none of the girls offer Anal anymore. there always used to be 2 or 3 but looking at their website, they have Zero now :(http://www.orient-massage.com/lady.htm

[Rocksoff]

Opebo might disagree to that.Hehe, you mean Opebo comes across as a particularly happy guy? :-pJust teasing, I fully agree with what Opebo says in his response, anyway.

[Sonic Bam]

First up, you are the customer and you decide what you want, what you are willing to pay and who it will be with. ............All I will say is; You are the customer You decide what you want You do what you want You take who you want You do not care what yesterdays girl thinks. Its your cash, not hers, if she pays you she can decide, if you pay her she has no right to complain about what you do afterwards.Thanks for the wise words but if you stick to what you say above, it is up to you / me / everybody (the customer) how much they want to tip as well?

[Sonic Bam]

New ladies @ Sweet MassageNicDid you notice they are advertising a 17 year old, Natare!!!I thought anything under 18 could get you a jail sentence in Thailand??

[NicFrenchy]

NicDid you notice they are advertising a 17 year old, Natare!!!I thought anything under 18 could get you a jail sentence in Thailand??I did not notice that. Strange. But I guess as long as you do not have any sexual contact it's fine. :DAnyway I wouldn't worry too much until I get there... Websites are all full of shit anyways. The place I like has my Fav girl on their Website marked as 19 years old >> she's in fact 26

[Easy2007]

It certainly is up to you. I mean, you might buy a loaf of bread from Tesco Lotus, and its tastes so good next time you refuse to pay the standard price and pay 100 baht over the price cause its so nice. Or you might have a room at the Sheraton Sukhumvit and be so impressed you refuse to pay the 6000 baht per night, but pay 8000 baht cause its so good.I think many people have not clicked into the Thai girls mind and how it works, they are business girls.If you show signs of weakness they will pounce on it, and they will manipulate it, and they will extract the cash from the "walking ATM", in some way or form.But, they are also business girls, and if they know you know what the score is, they will treat you just the same as anyone else, even their high payers, cause at the end of the day they are just selling pussy for money, and money is the thing they need.If you are a nice guy, they know you and you are considered "harmless" then they will go with you regardless of how much you pay.I generally find its the very insecure people, who need to pay more, to try to ensure everyone loves them, this helps them get over their insecurity and their inbuilt fear of rejection. Money for sex is a business in Thailand, and you get no points for over paying and over tipping, people who smile at you and jump into your arms really think you are stupid for paying more, but they love you for it :)
Thanks for the wise words but if you stick to what you say above, it is up to you / me / everybody (the customer) how much they want to tip as well?EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Richo Stevens]

By her looks she is not a day under 25.
Nic,Did you notice they are advertising a 17 year old, Natare!!!I thought anything under 18 could get you a jail sentence in Thailand??

[TimTimGuy]

No time for a decent follow up report. Just a couple of comments...@Easy2007 What the heck did I say about what I pay or tip? I never get involved in that discussion.@Centaurus... ?and I think TTG does, too, reading all his bullets.? I pretty much am with you and Nic. Interested but not concerned....I have a very clear idea about who's the client and who's the vendor.@Nic - I have lots of things in life to worry about. Reactions from working girls is not on that list, or not in the top 25 or 50, anyway. The internal politics of a democratic harem amuse me more than anything. It is nice to know somebody reads my ramblings...~TTG

[NicFrenchy]

[QUOTE=Opebo]Let me be clear that I'm not advocating tipping for average performance, as Nic accused me of doing.LEt me make something very clear: I did not accuse you of anything. God is my English so bad that you can't even understand a 2 lines Post?I was just stating my opinion, and that all it is, an opinion, never said you were wrong or that I was right. Having said that, I fully agree with the below quoted because this is also what I do.
What I'm saying is that if a girl goes above and beyond the call of duty and gives you a great time, performing at a very high level, I think a generous tip is in order

[Easy2007]

Not a substantial sum or not, there is a very clear reason why Thailand is priced "attractively" for sex, its because the going rate is adhered to by the locals, there is lots of supply, and oversupply always means low prices.Standard service = Standard tips.This means when you go for your session, the girl is friendly, cute, does everything you want, gives you a couple of pops and generally is nice.Thats standard.I fail to see why anyone needs to over pay, and as I said earlier its generally only the insecure people who feel the need to over pay or over tip.EG - they want to see the girl again and they are dangling a carrot in front of her to make her want to see them again.Pure and simple, insecurity is why people over pay and over tip.Whilst that is their choice, the issue I have is it makes girls lazy, some become to expect to get 1500 baht for doing very little, and 2000 baht or 3000 baht for doing what they should be doing in the first place.This is not a nice scenario as I will give them a 500 baht tip or 1000 baht tip and tell them they were useless and not getting any more.This is the correct course of action, if they provide standard service you pay standard prices, and if they fail to provide the service you pay less.This keeps them on their toes, working hard and pleasuring all customers.You should not look at anything and compare to Western wages and lifestyles, you pay according the local market and local prices.I am lucky in that I get a fair share of newbies, who think that 1500 baht for FS is wonderful and they love you for it. They work hard, try hard and please.However, owing to our insecure friends who act like "walking ATM's" (yes thats what the girls call you behind your back, not the "Tilak" to your face) normally with a year the same girl who tried so hard for 1500baht now does not try hard at all, and is pestering for more and more money for doing less and less.So yes, those insecure types who think they can buy love by flashing cash, do spoil the market for everyone. And that does not matter if you earn 50K or 150K a year, a spoiled market is a spoiled market.In general for Bangkok :Hand Job = 500 baht tipBlow Job = 1000 baht tipFS = 1500 baht tipShort time = 1000 to 1500 baht tipLong time = 2000 baht tip.Now the girls have learnt many ways to get more, like they will be half way through a hand job and say "you know many cheap charlie just pay 500 baht tip for special". "or they will be half way through a hand job and say "you want finish? 1000 baht for hand job", or they will get the 500baht and then look at you with indignance and puppy eyes as if to say "you cheap bastard" and hope you give them some extra, or they will keep saying after the event that it was "so much hard work, they are so tired now" or they will Polish your ego during the event by saying all sorts of lovely things about your body and skills, or. Well the list is endless.To the Thai Girl, this is a game, its all about getting the farang customer to pay more, simple as that. They will love you no more for it, or like you no more, you simply go to the top of their "walking ATM" list.Those who pay standard prices for service, and less for bad service will always say the insecure men who think they have to "buy" good service or buy holiday love spoil the market.Those who like to over pay and tip lots of tip will always call the men, secure enough they do not need to bribe, who do not pay more or tips "cheap charlies".Quite simply, those who sling around the "cheap charlie" talk are in fact well "trained by the Thai Girls". You are under their spell and they are withdrawing from the ATM
[QUOTE=Opebo]However, a middle-class man from the US or Western Europe would make around $75, 000 US per year or $6, 250 per month. In this context, 1, 000 baht or $29 is not a significant sum of money. Even 2, 000 baht or $58 US is not a substantial sum for someone in that income bracket.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Canyon]

Opebo might disagree to that.I for one don't overtip. Tip is considered a monetary reward for great performance so if the performance was ok, why tip?Originally Posted by CanyonIn my experience, the men who fight for the last baht are really not very happy and really don't enjoy life as much as the more generous people. Quote:Originally Posted by Canyon[QUOTE=Opebo]Let me be clear that I'm not advocating tipping for average performance, as Nic accused me of doing. LEt me make something very clear: I did not accuse you of anything. God is my English so bad that you can't even understand a 2 lines Post?I was just stating my opinion, and that all it is, an opinion, never said you were wrong or that I was right. Having said that, I fully agree with the below quoted because this is also what I do.Quote:What I'm saying is that if a girl goes above and beyond the call of duty and gives you a great time, performing at a very high level, I think a generous tip is in order Nic,Your English is fine. I only wish my French were as good as your English. Don't get so upset. In your first post above, you accurately quoted me to the effect of advocating a generous tipping policy and not fighting for the last baht. After posting my quote, then you say that "I for one don't overtip." In this context, the logical inference is that you disagree with my quote and imply that I'm in favor of overtipping.In any case, after reading more of your posts, I don't think we have any fundamental disagreements.Canyon

[NicFrenchy]

Nic,Your English is fine. I only wish my French were as good as your English. Don't get so upset. In your first post above, you accurately quoted me to the effect of advocating a generous tipping policy and not fighting for the last baht. After posting my quote, then you say that "I for one don't overtip." In this context, the logical inference is that you disagree with my quote and imply that I'm in favor of overtipping.In any case, after reading more of your posts, I don't think we have any fundamental disagreements.CanyonI did not mean to disagree with you, in fact I am in agreement (I failed to make my point) LOL I know sometimes my writing can be abrupt, matbe the literal translation from the French words that come to my mind when I write.NExt time you're in BKK, let me know, would love to buy you a drink

[M P Lurker]

It certainly is up to you. I mean, you might buy a loaf of bread from Tesco Lotus, and its tastes so good next time you refuse to pay the standard price and pay 100 baht over the price cause its so nice. Or you might have a room at the Sheraton Sukhumvit and be so impressed you refuse to pay the 6000 baht per night, but pay 8000 baht cause its so good.This is a very poor analogy.I hate to tell you this, but a loaf of bread doesn't appreciate a tip, nor does a room, but some people might tip the room cleaning staff. People get tipped for service and the amount varies depending on the level of service and on the customer.I don't accept that everyone doing my job gets paid the same amount. I am more experienced and more knowledgable and thereofre can recognise problems and solve them faster and more correctly. I therefore get paid better than others.I am willing to pay girls differently depending on their level of expertise and hard work and how good it was for me. There is a psychological influence with more intellegent girls when someone knows the tip is going to based on their level of performance. Other girls may be just trying to do well enough to keep the customer coming back.If a girl has no desire to retain the customer, obviously the performance will be ordinary at best.

[Daddy07]

...People get tipped for service and the amount varies depending on the level of service and on the customer...Quite true, but we might also remember that when we pay the MP shop whatever for 2 hours, and agree with the girl an additional amount for HJ, BJ, or FS, THAT is the tip, or at least that is what the Thai guys are giving them. Only if the girl goes over and beyond what you expected of her should additional sums be given, IMHO.

[Run Mann]

In my opinion this words should be written in big letters at the arrival from Suvarnabhumi Airport.Exactly what would be the point?

[Nvslim]

New ladies @ Sweet Massage on Sukhumvit Soi 39http://www.sweetmassage39.com/All of the girls look pretty good. Any that stood out in service?Slim

[NicFrenchy]

Other girls may be just trying to do well enough to keep the customer coming back.If a girl has no desire to retain the customer, obviously the performance will be ordinary at best.Once they know you are not a tourist, most girls will try and make sure they get you to return to see them frequently. Mick, now what do you mean by ugly customers? I don't thinf there are such kinds in Thailand, you know, seeing as we're all handsome :D

[NicFrenchy]

Lastly I wonder how many farang visitors actually make $75,000 a year! We should have a poll.Well, some of us (and it is in no way meant in a bragging way) make more than that. You choose to live in Thailand look for work there, but some other people, like me, were called here and reluctantly accepted to come because the money was good (+ the full expat benefits).I then grew to really like it here and am quite happy that my company is satisfied with my work (extended my contract for another couple years)

[Dextro Sol]

I then grew to really like it here and am quite happy that my company is satisfied with my work (extended my contract for another couple years)Are we suprised?Who would not?

[Member #3428]

[QUOTE=Canyon]The big question is, how many of the girls are really planning for their future, or how many are spending and sending all of their funds back home? A girl I was recently talking with, did talk extensively about her "future" and seemed to be trying to seriously saving money, as she knew both mentally and physcially, she couldn't continue.This is funny... most girls retirement is to find a permanent guy when she is ready to settle down. But I recently ran into a girl who had a financial break down, cost projections, plans, designs and a full business plan for a piggery if you can believe it. I first thought she had customers do it for her but she actually knew the stuff inside and out. When I originally asked what her plans were I never expected having a lesson on how to prepare business proposals by a Thai Massage Girl... I've learned not to assume things about these girls. SOME of these girls are dumb as dirt, some are sharper then most business men I deal with...

[Andy Abs]

I know a soapy girl very well (she's a top I would say, maybe not THE top girl, but in a high class place nethertheless) and she told me (I trust her) that she makes 2000. 3000 baht a day, and about 30k baht a month on average. She works 10-11h a day, not sure how many customers. She doesn't work 22 days a month, obviously, but that seems a little much. It's hard work! And the pay is not what many here seem to think it is.The girl I train earns on average 3-5 thousand a day, plus tips, which could be anything from 200-1000 per customer. On a bad day 2-3000 baht. On a good day 4-6000 baht. She has one day off a week. Her average monthly wage is over 100,000 baht.For each customer she gets 1000 baht on the day. She receives a receipt from the MP for each 2 hour customer, if the customer has an extra hour she just gets the extra money and one receipt, if she does 4 hours she gets two receipts, she collects the receipts and hands them in at the end of the month and gets 75 baht per receipt.I wish I was a woman! not really...I think they earn it...I have seen some of the people that get in her place...Fucking arseholes...years ago when I used to work the doors in Birmingham, we used to block customers like that on the basis of being too fucking ugly! No offense to you ugly mothers out there!BTW...this girl is pretty..but I have seen better... If a place is busy most women will earn.

[Canyon]

[QUOTE=Thepfu] I've learned not to assume things about these girls. SOME of these girls are dumb as dirt, some are sharper then most business men I deal with...Tansak, I agree with you 100%. Many of them are smarter than many of the Harvard graduates I have met.

[NicFrenchy]

Tansak, I agree with you 100%. Many of them are smarter than many of the Harvard graduates I have met.Damn, what did they do in Harvard? lower the passing grades by half? :D

[Canyon]

Why should her food be considered a 'business expense'? I have to eat.. we all have to eat. I'd say her expenses are more like 1,000 a month for a couple of tubes of KY, a bottle of Listerine, and a monthly course of antibiotics. Lastly I wonder how many farang visitors actually make $75,000 a year! We should have a poll.In addition to food and supplies, I think there are also things like room charges, laundry, tips to the maids, etc. I've heard that a high-end girl can pay as much as 16,000 a month and the low end could spend 5,000 a month on expenses.Regarding American income figures, President Obama defined middle class as starting at $60,000 up to $200,000 for urban areas in the United States. I live in San Francisco, and middle class starts around $60,000 and goes up to around $150,000. The $75,000 figure I chose was on the lower end. I would guess that most of the western and Japanese men who come to Thailand for a short vacation earn at least $75,000 per year. I agree to your idea of a poll. Put me down for substantially in excess of $75,000.

[Sharka]

Not really, I'm a veteran of LOS and been to many times in past (but not in the last 3years ). I make about $40-(45,000)-(if have a bonus year end), a year and also have co-workers in this range that also monger all over.It will not stop me from monger in LOS, but just have to be more realistic as to staying in cheaper hotels and spent the money saved on the only thing I came to LOS for.Also alot to do with where you live at home as $40,000 will be much more in Alabama than New York City.Just my 2centsShark

[Canyon]

Not a substantial sum or not, there is a very clear reason why Thailand is priced "attractively" for sex, its because the going rate is adhered to by the locals, there is lots of supply, and oversupply always means low prices.Standard service = Standard tips.This means when you go for your session, the girl is friendly, cute, does everything you want, gives you a couple of pops and generally is nice.Thats standard.I fail to see why anyone needs to over pay, and as I said earlier its generally only the insecure people who feel the need to over pay or over tip.EG - they want to see the girl again and they are dangling a carrot in front of her to make her want to see them again.Pure and simple, insecurity is why people over pay and over tip.Whilst that is their choice, the issue I have is it makes girls lazy, some become to expect to get 1500 baht for doing very little, and 2000 baht or 3000 baht for doing what they should be doing in the first place.This is not a nice scenario as I will give them a 500 baht tip or 1000 baht tip and tell them they were useless and not getting any more.This is the correct course of action, if they provide standard service you pay standard prices, and if they fail to provide the service you pay less.This keeps them on their toes, working hard and pleasuring all customers.You should not look at anything and compare to Western wages and lifestyles, you pay according the local market and local prices.I am lucky in that I get a fair share of newbies, who think that 1500 baht for FS is wonderful and they love you for it. They work hard, try hard and please.However, owing to our insecure friends who act like "walking ATM's" (yes thats what the girls call you behind your back, not the "Tilak" to your face) normally with a year the same girl who tried so hard for 1500baht now does not try hard at all, and is pestering for more and more money for doing less and less.So yes, those insecure types who think they can buy love by flashing cash, do spoil the market for everyone. And that does not matter if you earn 50K or 150K a year, a spoiled market is a spoiled market.In general for Bangkok :Hand Job = 500 baht tipBlow Job = 1000 baht tipFS = 1500 baht tipShort time = 1000 to 1500 baht tipLong time = 2000 baht tip.Now the girls have learnt many ways to get more, like they will be half way through a hand job and say "you know many cheap charlie just pay 500 baht tip for special". "or they will be half way through a hand job and say "you want finish? 1000 baht for hand job", or they will get the 500baht and then look at you with indignance and puppy eyes as if to say "you cheap bastard" and hope you give them some extra, or they will keep saying after the event that it was "so much hard work, they are so tired now" or they will Polish your ego during the event by saying all sorts of lovely things about your body and skills, or. Well the list is endless.To the Thai Girl, this is a game, its all about getting the farang customer to pay more, simple as that. They will love you no more for it, or like you no more, you simply go to the top of their "walking ATM" list.Those who pay standard prices for service, and less for bad service will always say the insecure men who think they have to "buy" good service or buy holiday love spoil the market.Those who like to over pay and tip lots of tip will always call the men, secure enough they do not need to bribe, who do not pay more or tips "cheap charlies".Quite simply, those who sling around the "cheap charlie" talk are in fact well "trained by the Thai Girls". You are under their spell and they are withdrawing from the ATM [QUOTE=Canyon]EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Easy,I think you've got the wrong idea on psychology and economics. You fulminate about "over-tipping" and "over-paying," complaing that people are pricing you out of the market, but those concepts are pretty subjective. Price is always determined by a willing buyer and a willing seller. If both buyer and seller get what they want at a price they both agree to, there's really no over-paying or over-tipping. That's the nature of the marketplace. The seller always tries to get the best price and the buyer also tries to get the best price. If the buyer likes the service and wants to tip the girl, that's a gift to show his appreciation. It doesn't mean he's insecure, it just means that he wants to reward her, and possibly continue the sexual relationship. If a girl doesn't want to go with you, because you're offering too little, there's no reason to complain bitterly. Either you give her more money or you go see someone else who will accept your lower price. There's not really much "over-paying" or "over-tipping" going on. It's just economic actors trying to get the best deal for themselves, negotiating price in the market. A great-looking girl who gives great service will always be able to charge more than a plain-looking one or one who gives mediocre service.

[Easy2007]

Ah. But that is where you are totally wrong.I HAVE NOT complained about being "priced out of the market".I HAVE NOT compalined about "girls not going with me cause I offer too little".In fact, throughout, I have stated that I have no problem getting them "for the correct prices" and do not need to over pay or over tip in order to get them, or keep them.I have said clearly, it is men who are insecure who feel the need to pay loads of money to "retain" someone they fear they could not get any other way, than without dangling lots of cash as bait.
[QUOTE=Easy2007]Not a substantial sum or not, there is a very clear reason why Thailand is priced "attractively" for sex, its because the going rate is adhered to by the locals, there is lots of supply, and oversupply always means low prices.Standard service = Standard tips.This means when you go for your session, the girl is friendly, cute, does everything you want, gives you a couple of pops and generally is nice.Thats standard.I fail to see why anyone needs to over pay, and as I said earlier its generally only the insecure people who feel the need to over pay or over tip.EG. They want to see the girl again and they are dangling a carrot in front of her to make her want to see them again.Pure and simple, insecurity is why people over pay and over tip.Whilst that is their choice, the issue I have is it makes girls lazy, some become to expect to get 1500 baht for doing very little, and 2000 baht or 3000 baht for doing what they should be doing in the first place.This is not a nice scenario as I will give them a 500 baht tip or 1000 baht tip and tell them they were useless and not getting any more.This is the correct course of action, if they provide standard service you pay standard prices, and if they fail to provide the service you pay less.This keeps them on their toes, working hard and pleasuring all customers.You should not look at anything and compare to Western wages and lifestyles, you pay according the local market and local prices.I am lucky in that I get a fair share of newbies, who think that 1500 baht for FS is wonderful and they love you for it. They work hard, try hard and please.However, owing to our insecure friends who act like "walking ATM's" (yes thats what the girls call you behind your back, not the "Tilak" to your face) normally with a year the same girl who tried so hard for 1500baht now does not try hard at all, and is pestering for more and more money for doing less and less.So yes, those insecure types who think they can buy love by flashing cash, do spoil the market for everyone. And that does not matter if you earn 50K or 150K a year, a spoiled market is a spoiled market.In general for Bangkok: Hand Job = 500 baht tip Blow Job = 1000 baht tip FS = 1500 baht tipShort time = 1000 to 1500 baht tip Long time = 2000 baht tip.Now the girls have learnt many ways to get more, like they will be half way through a hand job and say "you know many cheap charlie just pay 500 baht tip for special". "or they will be half way through a hand job and say "you want finish? 1000 baht for hand job", or they will get the 500baht and then look at you with indignance and puppy eyes as if to say "you cheap bastard" and hope you give them some extra, or they will keep saying after the event that it was "so much hard work, they are so tired now" or they will Polish your ego during the event by saying all sorts of lovely things about your body and skills, or. Well the list is endless.To the Thai Girl, this is a game, its all about getting the farang customer to pay more, simple as that. They will love you no more for it, or like you no more, you simply go to the top of their "walking ATM" list.Those who pay standard prices for service, and less for bad service will always say the insecure men who think they have to "buy" good service or buy holiday love spoil the market.Those who like to over pay and tip lots of tip will always call the men, secure enough they do not need to bribe, who do not pay more or tips "cheap charlies".Quite simply, those who sling around the "cheap charlie" talk are in fact well "trained by the Thai Girls". You are under their spell and they are withdrawing from the ATMEasy, I think you've got the wrong idea on psychology and economics. You fulminate about "over-tipping" and "over-paying, " complaing that people are pricing you out of the market, but those concepts are pretty subjective. Price is always determined by a willing buyer and a willing seller. If both buyer and seller get what they want at a price they both agree to, there's really no over-paying or over-tipping. That's the nature of the marketplace. The seller always tries to get the best price and the buyer also tries to get the best price. If the buyer likes the service and wants to tip the girl, that's a gift to show his appreciation. It doesn't mean he's insecure, it just means that he wants to reward her, and possibly continue the sexual relationship.If a girl doesn't want to go with you, because you're offering too little, there's no reason to complain bitterly. Either you give her more money or you go see someone else who will accept your lower price. There's not really much "over-paying" or "over-tipping" going on. It's just economic actors trying to get the best deal for themselves, negotiating price in the market. A great-looking girl who gives great service will always be able to charge more than a plain-looking one or one who gives mediocre service.

[M P Lurker]

Once they know you are not a tourist, most girls will try and make sure they get you to return to see them frequently. Mick, now what do you mean by ugly customers? I don't thinf there are such kinds in Thailand, you know, seeing as we're all handsome :DI really meant ugly personalities (ngee ngao or A holes)

[Payforplaybkk]

after reading through this board many times during my recent trip to bangkok, felt obliged to quickly pass on some of my experiences and adventures in the "pay for play" arena.spent two weeks in bangkok recently for some business, but was able to squeeze in good time for fun as well. was my attempt to blow some of my bonus! tried escort services, soapy massage parlors, and other massage type places and came away with the following thoughts and observations: escort services: your mileage may vary, but i was very disappointed given the high $$.1. first girl was from bkk141 ("pu"). cost was 5000 baht for 2 hours. she came to my hotel. looked different from photos. and super ordinary looking. barely spoke english and was extremely boring. and complained that i had too hairy of a chest! i literally couldn't get aroused enough to do anything with her and dispatched her within an hour without much sex.complete waste of $.2. second girl the next night was from bangkok gold ("fern"). cost was 6000 baht for 2 hours. spoke to a guy on the phone. will. who was very helpful and after my experience with bkk141 assured me that fern had a good personality and was not shy and spoke really good english, and would also love a glass of white wine. this ended up being true, and overall the experience was pretty good. if you like daty this is definitely a girl for you. however her photo was definitely off from the website. she was decently good looking. but not sure i would have picked her from a soapie lineup.3. third girl was an afternoon romp from erotika queens ("jip"). cost was 6000 baht for 2 hours. she was decently attractive, but for third time the photos are very misleading. sex was super mechanical. she went straight into a covered bj without any kind of other stimulation to set the mood. looked at the clock a lot too. was disappointed. also not the best body, especially for 6000 baht! and the website said she spoke good english, which ended up being completely false.overall: i know there is a lot of discussion about these agencies. and others have had better experiences. but i personally can't recommend this route. given the cost, i would have expected super high quality with photos that were reasonably close to the websites. instead, i was disappointed in each case. agencies are probably better if you're super strapped for time and want discretion and convenience. if you must do this, make sure you ask detailed questions to get the kind of woman you want, and lower your expectations of how the girl will look in person. better yet find women who have been reviewed elsewhere.soapy massage parlors: a mixed bag, but overall good experiences1. nataree. opens earlier than most (i think around 1:30pm) with a good lineup. i thought many of the sideliners were really good, especially for the price (2600 baht). had a really good experience with one sideliner. i think her name was meow. cute girl and worked very hard to please. i liked how she did the shower thing quickly so we can get on with the sex. also tried a girl from the fishbowl. the soapie experience on a inflatable mattress was a bit much and long for me. rooms are decent. staff was nice. no pressure to make a decision.2. amsterdam. probably the best looking lineup i've seen, but prices are definitely on the higher side. tried a girl named king. 5100 baht for 90 minutes. she's in the highest category "supermodel" there and was a former thai penthouse girl. very nice and one of the most attractive women there. sex was very good. worthwhile experience if you can afford it. i took her for 3 sessions. the staff there is very nice. highly recommend. also was in a vip room that was unbelievably big. even had a urinal inside which can be very convenient! 3. poseidon. huge complex. tried a fishbowl girl for 2500 baht who was a great performer. the fishbowl girls range from about 2500 to 3000 baht when i was there. there is also a models floor that opens at 4pm. although quality to me was mixed. definitely some stunners. caters very much to japanese.4. caesars. pricey. picked a sideline girl for 4, 000 baht who spoke zero english but was a total stunner and excellent in bed. my problem with this place is the layout. the women sit a bit far from the viewing area, which is small. not as good as others. 5. other places. walked into a few other places but didn't pick a woman.emmanuelle is right next to nataree. good selection but nothing that caught my eye. excellent layout and space though. cupidy massage i saw quickly. one of the only places where the sideline girls were aggressive about making gestures to you. most others you'll just get a smile if anything, but here they really wanted you to pick them! overall: best value for looks is nataree. i thought many of the sideliners there were considered "models" in other places. you can't go wrong with any of the places mentioned. depends how much you want to spend. i recommend you speak to the staff. i often tipped them and they pointed me in the right direction. what i like about these places is you can see the girl clearly upfront and can spend according to your budget."other" places: 1. aviva massage: in soi 8 sukhumvit. the massage prices are normal, but the girls will ask you if you want a special massage. 500 for hj, 1000 for bj, 1500 full service. went a few times and the quality was good. i actually never went for anything special but liked the place because facilities are nice and the massage is pretty decent. be warned though the girls do get annoyed if you don't do anything special, so i ended up tipping well.2. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). also soi 8. for bbbjs that only cost 700 baht. a strange place inside. the upstairs has curtains separating you and its dingy. better to go here after a drink or two. recommend you pick the girl yourself outside before going in. once you go inside the bar a random girl will come ask you if you want a bj and she's unlikely to be cute. funny story. picked this girl "dream" who was excellent and gave me a 40 minute bbbj (took forever because i was quite tipsy). i liked her so much i decided to barfine her to go clubbing. i spent a ton of money on this. maybe 8-10k! i was too drunk to care or think properly. i will say dream is fun and looks amazing outside of [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) when wearing jeans and more normal attire. not sure why she's working at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) but she's a must try. she starts in evening shift at 5pm (better looking girls then).3. tulip massage. the much talked about place near soi 38 sukhumvit. went twice and had very different experiences. first girl was okay, but the second was incredible and the best i met in bangkok. so much so that i barfined her for an evening out on the town and nightcap, which was very cheap. i think 1000 baht to tulip and 1500 baht to the girl. i think the quality of girls at tulip is okay, but the service is incredible.overall: tulip is definitely worth the hype, but the quality can vary so you may want to make an advanced booking for the girl you want. at the very least pick a girl downstairs yourself. for the money though (600 baht for 90 minutes + 1500 to girl) i got sex and service that was better than any other place in bangkok. barfining here is a bargain.i'd be happy to answer some questions.editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Dan7373]

....So yes, those insecure types who think they can buy love by flashing cash, do spoil the market for everyone. And that does not matter if you earn 50K or 150K a year, a spoiled market is a spoiled market.In general for Bangkok :Hand Job = 500 baht tipBlow Job = 1000 baht tipFS = 1500 baht tipShort time = 1000 to 1500 baht tipLong time = 2000 baht tip.....I'm not so sure that artificial price-fixing is such a good idea. When you create a cartel where all the buyers collude to fix prices at a certain level. Then this in itself can spoil the market.Because if the ladies can earn better money elsewhere, such as by marrying a rich farang. Then the better-looking ladies won't stay in the massage business for long. And you will end up with a lot of relatively unattractive ladies to go to for massage.Only free markets works best. Because a free market naturally balances supply and demand fairly for everyone. If as you say, a lot of guys pay excessively large tips and generally give too much money to the massage women. Then can you imagine what's going to happen when these newly rich women come home and their friends and relatives find out about it? Many of their friends and relatives will naturally want to get rich like that too. And it won't be long before the market will be flooded with lots and lots of attractive new women. Which will naturally bring down their prices. Because these ladies will have to compete with each other for a limited number of men.But can you imagine what's going to happen when a lot of guys get to ride a lot of good-looking gals for not too much money? They are going to boast about it on the internet and post pictures of the good-looking gals at websites such as this. And it won't be long before lots and lots more horny guys will get on a plane and rush to meet the good-looking ladies for a good ride too.There might not be enough good-looking gals for all the guys in such a situation. And some guys will start to pay higher prices in order to keep banging the best-looking ladies.Flexible prices that change according to market conditions is what creates a good match between the supply and demand. Higher prices attract more ladies into this business. Which is good, when there are too many guys. Because more guys do need more ladies. But there is a natural limit to how far the prices can rise. Because when prices become too high. Then too many ladies flood the market. And they drive down the prices through competition between themselves.Of course, there are many things that can affect the supply and demand for massage services. Right now, there is a world-wide recession. A lot of guys who had the money to come to Thailand before now can't afford it. While in Thailand many people are now loosing their jobs and their need for money is increasing.A lot of good-looking ladies are probably flooding the massage and the sex-market in Thailand now. And if you are a guy who can still afford to go there for some fun with the ladies. Then now is definitely a good time to go there. Just make sure to bring lots of large condoms from your country with you, if you are as big as most farangs are. Because locally made condoms in Thailand are usually too small and uncomfortable for farangs. That, and buy some Viagra when you get there. Or else you won't be able to meat all the Thai beauties you meet.

[Striker34]

2. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). picked this girl "dream" who was excellent and gave me a 40 minute bbbj (took forever because i was quite tipsy). i liked her so much i decided to barfine her to go clubbing. i spent a ton of money on this. maybe 8-10k! i was too drunk to care or think properly. i will say dream is fun and looks amazing outside of [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) when wearing jeans and more normal attire. not sure why she's working at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) but she's a must try. she starts in evening shift at 5pm (better looking girls then).i had a great bbbj session with dream some weeks back (neglected to write about it). worked like a trojan for a good 30 min (had a session with tgf earlier that day) and also swallowed. in fact wouldn't stop even after i had blown my load - a real pleaser! reasonably good looking too with a nice rack.

[Dan7373]

i had a great bbbj session with dream some weeks back (neglected to write about it). worked like a trojan for a good 30 min (had a session with tgf earlier that day) and also swallowed. in fact wouldn't stop even after i had blown my load - a real pleaser! reasonably good looking too with a nice rack.there might be a good reason why this good-looking lady named dream wouldn't stop, after she made you blow your load with her blow job. they do have short-time rooms upstairs on the 3rd floor for guys who are interested in more than just the basic bj. it's quite possible that she was trying to get you up and going again for some extra service with her on the 3rd floor.and if she is as good-looking as you say she is. then doing it one more time with her is something worth going for. because a professional lady like this knows full well that a man needs time to work up his second cum. and she is prepared to let him take his time and have some real fun working on his second cum with her for as long as he wants.it's 700b for the bj and 1500b for the private room service according to their website.http://lolitasbangkok.com/services.htmlthis isn't cheap when you first pay for the bj and then for the private room. but when the lady is good-looking. and she sets you up for an extra hard and an extra long coupling with her. then paying her more is fair. because you get what you pay for. and this isn't easy money for her either.but from what i've heard about this place. at least some ladies there will let you have the full service with them right there in the bj booth for about 1000b in total. you don't get there as much privacy as you would get in the private room. but for some guys this is actually a turn on doing it with the lady, when there are so many other people around you just a curtain away. but be warned. the curtains don't go all the way down. and people outside can guess what it is that the lady and the guy are doing from the position of their feet relative to each other. but that's okay. the worst that can happen is that you will hear some giggling and snickering from some of the girls walking by.

[Centaurus]

After reading through this board many times during my recent trip to Bangkok, felt obliged to quickly pass on some of my experiences and adventures in the "pay for play" arena.That is an amazing first post, thanks!

[M P Lurker]

After reading through this board many times during my recent trip to Bangkok, felt obliged to quickly pass on some of my experiences and adventures in the "pay for play" arena.....2. Second girl the next night was from Bangkok Gold ("Fern"). Cost was 6000 baht for 2 hours. Spoke to a guy on the phone. Will. Who was very helpful and after my experience with BKK141 assured me that Fern had a good personality and was not shy and spoke really good English, and would also love a glass of white wine. This ended up being true, and overall the experience was pretty good. If you like DATY this is definitely a girl for you. However her photo was definitely off from the website. She was decently good looking. But not sure I would have picked her from a soapie lineup. ...Definitely a 2 weeks packed very full and picked some good places.Escorts have not appealed to me before, as I am often fussy about face shapes, but I am curious about BKK Gold. RA previously wouldn't confirm if Apple had real tits or not? :(Here is pick of Fern. I always thought these pics were rather unclear. I mean you can't see much except for the bottom clad in shorts.http://www.bangkokgoldescorts.com/images/seperate3/fern.jpgSo I wondered in what way the pic seemed unrealistic? This escort service supposedly guarantees real pics ???

[NicFrenchy]

This escort service supposedly guarantees real pics ???Well, so do all the Oilies (angel, Teen...) however the pictures are photoshopped.I think their interpretation of "real" is that there is not Bait & Switch.This happends a lot in the West where, Online agencies featuring Asian girls will post pictures of girls they do not have and when a client books, they send another lady. They are successful because of the Very low amount of clients that send the girls back.In the case of fern, I am guessing the pic is photoshopped, plus, she is older and probably a little heavier now.

[M P Lurker]

In the case of fern, I am guessing the pic is photoshopped, plus, she is older and probably a little heavier now.Some girls I have been with didn't look that fantastic in the cold hard daylight. But if a girl looks really good when she wakes up in the morning, that is true beauty.Ah, I digressed. Loosing weight can make girls look a lot prettier sometimes.

[Jan 1969]

Definitely a 2 weeks packed very full and picked some good places. This escort service supposedly guarantees real pics ???I can guarantee you that should you order Nam and Tang from Bangkokgold they will not show up on your doorstep in Bangkok as they both reside and ply their trade in London,England.Meet Nam aka Cassia: http://www.asianvariety.co.uk/asian_escorts/CassidaNewexotic.89.htmMeet Tang aka Sukmie ( what's in a name:): http://www.asianwhispers.com/asian_london_escorts/Sukmie.1.21.htmOfcourse this does not mean that all pictures on the website are girls actually working elsewhere, and the service on offer could well be very good ( as testified by RA). Hope this answers your question.

[M P Lurker]

Meet Tang aka Sukmie ( what's in a name:): http://www.asianwhispers.com/asian_london_escorts/Sukmie.1.21.htmSurely only a lady boy would have the audacity to call herself "Suk Me" although it should be "Me Suk" I guess.

[Sonic Bam]

Ah, I digressed. Loosing weight can make girls look a lot prettier sometimes.So can a couple of beers. :)

[M P Lurker]

So can a couple of beers. :)Good one, but I wouldn't know about that.If I am going to fuck, then I don't drink more than one. I am concerned about being able to perform at my best. I guess this is kind of "sex-totaller" (meaning having sex instead of drinking).If the girl is sex super-star but not that good looking in the face, I tend to take her for a short time only. I wouldn't want to get a shock and wakeup next to a "dog" (ugly girl) in the morning. But must sometimes happen to guys that were drinking a lot :D

[NicFrenchy]

I wouldn't want to get a shock and wakeup next to a "dog" (ugly girl) in the morning.Looking at things from a different angle, isn't that why a lot of girls refuse LT? maybe they also don't want to wake up next to a "dog" (punter) in the morning :Dand maybe that's also the reason why they drink a lot of tequilas ;)

[John Euro]

Weekend, finally some time to catch up with writing, I have been to much on the road in and out BK lately but I did not forgot to monger every day where possible, here some experincesAfter being for a long time dedicated to the 33 shop and Sazanka, I finally made the effort to visit the Shitlom branch since I knew they have a able wash instead of just that little chair with a opening for ball?s and junior as at the 33 shower area.Welcomed by one decent looking girl and 3 dogs I did not like, I asked for a few names I had on my shortlist, they all serving now in 33 branch and Miki is still there as well, WOW, lucky not to let here loose face again for not choosing here.I asked for Shizuka and she was available, I opted for the 80min V5 course for 1580 thb promotion. Shizuka is a nice looking kid, good English and with bit a sense of humour. It is the same mik-mak from going up to the room to undress and back to ground floor for the wet area. The table wash and shampoo was a good average treatment without much teasing, a bit ball massage and ass rimming with the question if I wanted 2 or 3 fingers in it, What, you Joking, the scrub was not as good as I had in the CMI Akasuri but she works trough here standard Akane programme and nothing else more, does not allow much body touching as she takes the lead all the time, I must recon that here BJ skills are good, no complains about it. After I blew my load she came laying on top of me and gave me a good GFE with some nice talking just as she was a long time GF, nicely done of course, now she could skip the massage works now and have a rest on my chest. I have never been 80 min inside instead of having a 80 Akane session but have left the place perfectly clean inside and outside.Looks like Shitlom as a lot more rooms but I prefer the welcome and bigger reception area at 33 branch, it?s more amicable there, easier to inspect the line up from a distance wile on the sofa and the whole place upstairs is less messy than the Chitlom branch.JohnEDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[John Euro]

From my hotel it took me only 10 minutes to walk to the well discussed Luxury hotel MP at Soi 19. A nice and friendly receptionist lady that pushing me a bit to take a combined package with Jacuzzi, scrub etc but that was not where I was looking for this time.Went trough the photo book and I asked for a few popular names that I received from some mongers but all these girls are occupied for at least anther hour (as they always say to sell another one), she kept on saying take this girl and that one but 3 girl names have been motioned as bad experience on this forum before, I took finally Miss PANG and yes as said before, the pictures are nicely photo shopped (my hobby) and also blown up, when Pang came around the corner, noticed she looks a lot thinner and smaller than on the picture but the decision was made, will see.She took the toolbox from beside the sofa, together upstairs with the mayor PM girl questions, where come from ? your name and you first time here, where you stay, this all done when going upstairs. We entered in the room with Jacuzzi and she told me to take a shower, big surprise to me, she left the room and I find this a bit unhandsome showering alone and also in a tub, there where on the way up plenty shower rooms free. I even did not have the time and reaction to ask here for joining me for a shower. I have been sitting for about 10min naked on the tub side till she came back, told me to lay down and with face down, she lost right away a few credit points as I did not like the tone and here absence, I could not place here attitude why and I am definitely not ugly bear but nice and friendly to here.After rubbing a long time on my back without any teasing I turned around, continue massaging my thighs with a occasionally ball touch, this turned me even more off instead of on and she lost again some points, my interest for this girl and FS was almost gone by now.She asked finally unfriendly, do you want extra, me: yes, what?s about a good BJ to see here reaction, she shows me a angry face and said, I don?t do BJ or mouth job, do you like FS, yes when the BJ is include, NO I give no BJ, this was enough for me and said, ok only HJ then, she asked immediately 800thb for it, I said, lady I work in BK long time and now the pricing, its 500 everywhere, again a angry face with the confirmation se needs 800 thb and I refused it all, she must have realised that here income was going trough the drain and tried to sell me a body to body only for 1000 thb to get some income but I declined this also as the time was almost over and my mood gone, she gets up and wrapped a big towel around here still dressed body.She continue finally with rubbing oil on my chest en belly with a last try if I still wanted the HJ, me, ok yes 500 and aggressively she said, only if you don?t touch my body, there was of course the towel protection for. I agreed but should not have done this as it was only a bit stroking without any special touching, I showered again, no one word said, piad the 500 wo tip and a good bye on the out.What a Fck attitude and why, a bad day? Most other girls would have been nice to you and trying to get you hot and horny from the beginning and convince that way for securing there extra income. At Thonglor for example, several times some girls have been asking me if I want them to shower together with me even before I had the chance to ask it myself, never a price discussion upfront as we all know the standard price, if the job is excellent they get a tip on top, however this went wrong from the start as I could feel some tension at the first moment. I know this is mainly a FS place but here approach was definitely wrong from the beginning.John EuroEDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[PrinceMV2]

excellent report. after going thru your report i guess the three mps are the best bet, & the [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). i personally don't prefer the soapys, as the servise is too mechanical. in my last visit i picked a very young girl from a disc & took her to my hotel room for lt in 2000bt. was very satisfying experience.
after reading through this board many times during my recent trip to bangkok, felt obliged to quickly pass on some of my experiences and adventures in the "pay for play" arena.spent two weeks in bangkok recently for some business, but was able to squeeze in good time for fun as well. was my attempt to blow some of my bonus! tried escort services, soapy massage parlors, and other massage type places and came away with the following thoughts and observations: escort services: your mileage may vary, but i was very disappointed given the high $$.1. first girl was from bkk141 ("pu"). cost was 5000 baht for 2 hours. she came to my hotel. looked different from photos. and super ordinary looking. barely spoke english and was extremely boring. and complained that i had too hairy of a chest! i literally couldn't get aroused enough to do anything with her and dispatched her within an hour without much sex.complete waste of $.2. second girl the next night was from bangkok gold ("fern"). cost was 6000 baht for 2 hours. spoke to a guy on the phone. will. who was very helpful and after my experience with bkk141 assured me that fern had a good personality and was not shy and spoke really good english, and would also love a glass of white wine. this ended up being true, and overall the experience was pretty good. if you like daty this is definitely a girl for you. however her photo was definitely off from the website. she was decently good looking. but not sure i would have picked her from a soapie lineup.3. third girl was an afternoon romp from erotika queens ("jip"). cost was 6000 baht for 2 hours. she was decently attractive, but for third time the photos are very misleading. sex was super mechanical. she went straight into a covered bj without any kind of other stimulation to set the mood. looked at the clock a lot too. was disappointed. also not the best body, especially for 6000 baht! and the website said she spoke good english, which ended up being completely false.overall: i know there is a lot of discussion about these agencies. and others have had better experiences. but i personally can't recommend this route. given the cost, i would have expected super high quality with photos that were reasonably close to the websites. instead, i was disappointed in each case. agencies are probably better if you're super strapped for time and want discretion and convenience. if you must do this, make sure you ask detailed questions to get the kind of woman you want, and lower your expectations of how the girl will look in person. better yet find women who have been reviewed elsewhere.soapy massage parlors: a mixed bag, but overall good experiences1. nataree. opens earlier than most (i think around 1:30pm) with a good lineup. i thought many of the sideliners were really good, especially for the price (2600 baht). had a really good experience with one sideliner. i think her name was meow. cute girl and worked very hard to please. i liked how she did the shower thing quickly so we can get on with the sex. also tried a girl from the fishbowl. the soapie experience on a inflatable mattress was a bit much and long for me. rooms are decent. staff was nice. no pressure to make a decision.2. amsterdam. probably the best looking lineup i've seen, but prices are definitely on the higher side. tried a girl named king. 5100 baht for 90 minutes. she's in the highest category "supermodel" there and was a former thai penthouse girl. very nice and one of the most attractive women there. sex was very good. worthwhile experience if you can afford it. i took her for 3 sessions. the staff there is very nice. highly recommend. also was in a vip room that was unbelievably big. even had a urinal inside which can be very convenient! 3. poseidon. huge complex. tried a fishbowl girl for 2500 baht who was a great performer. the fishbowl girls range from about 2500 to 3000 baht when i was there. there is also a models floor that opens at 4pm. although quality to me was mixed. definitely some stunners. caters very much to japanese.4. caesars. pricey. picked a sideline girl for 4, 000 baht who spoke zero english but was a total stunner and excellent in bed. my problem with this place is the layout. the women sit a bit far from the viewing area, which is small. not as good as others. 5. other places. walked into a few other places but didn't pick a woman.emmanuelle is right next to nataree. good selection but nothing that caught my eye. excellent layout and space though. cupidy massage i saw quickly. one of the only places where the sideline girls were aggressive about making gestures to you. most others you'll just get a smile if anything, but here they really wanted you to pick them! overall: best value for looks is nataree. i thought many of the sideliners there were considered "models" in other places. you can't go wrong with any of the places mentioned. depends how much you want to spend. i recommend you speak to the staff. i often tipped them and they pointed me in the right direction. what i like about these places is you can see the girl clearly upfront and can spend according to your budget."other" places: 1. aviva massage: in soi 8 sukhumvit. the massage prices are normal, but the girls will ask you if you want a special massage. 500 for hj, 1000 for bj, 1500 full service. went a few times and the quality was good. i actually never went for anything special but liked the place because facilities are nice and the massage is pretty decent. be warned though the girls do get annoyed if you don't do anything special, so i ended up tipping well.2. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). also soi 8. for bbbjs that only cost 700 baht. a strange place inside. the upstairs has curtains separating you and its dingy. better to go here after a drink or two. recommend you pick the girl yourself outside before going in. once you go inside the bar a random girl will come ask you if you want a bj and she's unlikely to be cute. funny story. picked this girl "dream" who was excellent and gave me a 40 minute bbbj (took forever because i was quite tipsy). i liked her so much i decided to barfine her to go clubbing. i spent a ton of money on this. maybe 8-10k! i was too drunk to care or think properly. i will say dream is fun and looks amazing outside of [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) when wearing jeans and more normal attire. not sure why she's working at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) but she's a must try. she starts in evening shift at 5pm (better looking girls then).3. tulip massage. the much talked about place near soi 38 sukhumvit. went twice and had very different experiences. first girl was okay, but the second was incredible and the best i met in bangkok. so much so that i barfined her for an evening out on the town and nightcap, which was very cheap. i think 1000 baht to tulip and 1500 baht to the girl. i think the quality of girls at tulip is okay, but the service is incredible.overall: tulip is definitely worth the hype, but the quality can vary so you may want to make an advanced booking for the girl you want. at the very least pick a girl downstairs yourself. for the money though (600 baht for 90 minutes + 1500 to girl) i got sex and service that was better than any other place in bangkok. barfining here is a bargain.i'd be happy to answer some questions.editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[M P Lurker]

Looking at things from a different angle, isn't that why a lot of girls refuse LT? maybe they also don't want to wake up next to a "dog" (punter) in the morning :Dand maybe that's also the reason why they drink a lot of tequilas ;)You crack me up :D but very valid points.There are bar girls that rarely do long time and others that rarely go with customer at all. Some of these were avoiding the "dogs". Others only fuck guys that really appeal to them. You have to respect bar girls that hardly ever agree to go with a customer. There was a top class dancer at Long Gun who I never saw agree to go with a customer, even though plenty asked including me, but apparently she had done so very rarely. Always seemed to be having her period or family thing to do early in morning, or birthday party, etc.You are spot on about the tequillas, for sure. I have certainly bought tequillas to get the girl over inhibitions and make her hot for me. But didn't work with the Long Gun dancer. She could drink like a fish, even though very skinny, and still do the dance show with complete poise. I am in wrong thread, as all this is not relevant to MP girls, except I suppose that soapy girls don't have to wake up next to "dogs" in strange beds in the morning.

[Easy2007]

You'll find that Luxury Soi 19 is really an FS place. The girls are often not interested in doing any massage or HJ/BJ, they just want to get done with FS and get the 1500 baht in the bag.If you are feeling not really in the mood for FS, then avoid places like this, and keep to the more standard oil massage places you see everywhere, where there is no book and you pick one of the available girls, as you will always get a HJ, and its always a 500 baht tip and she will be very happy with it.Places like Luxury really are only of use to those who are sure they want FS when they go inside, and then, if he girls are busy, do not take the leftovers, there is a reason why some girls are busy and others not.
From my hotel it took me only 10 minutes to walk to the well discussed Luxury hotel MP at Soi 19. A nice and friendly receptionist lady that pushing me a bit to take a combined package with Jacuzzi, scrub etc but that was not where I was looking for this time.Went trough the photo book and I asked for a few popular names that I received from some mongers but all these girls are occupied for at least anther hour (as they always say to sell another one), she kept on saying take this girl and that one but 3 girl names have been motioned as bad experience on this forum before, I took finally Miss PANG and yes as said before, the pictures are nicely photo shopped (my hobby) and also blown up, when Pang came around the corner, noticed she looks a lot thinner and smaller than on the picture but the decision was made, will see.She took the toolbox from beside the sofa, together upstairs with the mayor PM girl questions, where come from ? your name and you first time here, where you stay, this all done when going upstairs. We entered in the room with Jacuzzi and she told me to take a shower, big surprise to me, she left the room and I find this a bit unhandsome showering alone and also in a tub, there where on the way up plenty shower rooms free. I even did not have the time and reaction to ask here for joining me for a shower. I have been sitting for about 10min naked on the tub side till she came back, told me to lay down and with face down, she lost right away a few credit points as I did not like the tone and here absence, I could not place here attitude why and I am definitely not ugly bear but nice and friendly to here.After rubbing a long time on my back without any teasing I turned around, continue massaging my thighs with a occasionally ball touch, this turned me even more off instead of on and she lost again some points, my interest for this girl and FS was almost gone by now.She asked finally unfriendly, do you want extra, me: yes, what?s about a good BJ to see here reaction, she shows me a angry face and said, I don?t do BJ or mouth job, do you like FS, yes when the BJ is include, NO I give no BJ, this was enough for me and said, ok only HJ then, she asked immediately 800thb for it, I said, lady I work in BK long time and now the pricing, its 500 everywhere, again a angry face with the confirmation se needs 800 thb and I refused it all, she must have realised that here income was going trough the drain and tried to sell me a body to body only for 1000 thb to get some income but I declined this also as the time was almost over and my mood gone, she gets up and wrapped a big towel around here still dressed body.She continue finally with rubbing oil on my chest en belly with a last try if I still wanted the HJ, me, ok yes 500 and aggressively she said, only if you don?t touch my body, there was of course the towel protection for. I agreed but should not have done this as it was only a bit stroking without any special touching, I showered again, no one word said, piad the 500 wo tip and a good bye on the out.What a Fck attitude and why, a bad day? Most other girls would have been nice to you and trying to get you hot and horny from the beginning and convince that way for securing there extra income. At Thonglor for example, several times some girls have been asking me if I want them to shower together with me even before I had the chance to ask it myself, never a price discussion upfront as we all know the standard price, if the job is excellent they get a tip on top, however this went wrong from the start as I could feel some tension at the first moment. I know this is mainly a FS place but here approach was definitely wrong from the beginning.John EuroEDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[John Euro]

If you are feeling not really in the mood for FS, and then, if he girls are busy, do not take the leftovers, there is a reason why some girls are busy and others not.I agree and I know this perfectly, I am not new to the BK MP scene and know what Luxury stands for, when they just opened I figured out that they are related to Thonglor II, at that time they had most Thonglor girl pictures on there website. I visit Thonglor many times never any problem.I went there for FS but just testing the situation in the beginning how she would go on with it, You did not read at which point I lost my interest in FS with here, It went wrong from the beginning due to here attitude, she did not showed any interest or friendliness and I should not have taken this leftover, that was part of my message to fellow mongers.John

[Sonic Bam]

You'll find that Luxury Soi 19 is really an FS place. The girls are often not interested in doing any massage or HJ/BJ, they just want to get done with FS and get the 1500 baht in the bag.If you are feeling not really in the mood for FS, then avoid places like this, and keep to the more standard oil massage places you see everywhere, where there is no book and you pick one of the available girls, as you will always get a HJ, and its always a 500 baht tip and she will be very happy with it.Places like Luxury really are only of use to those who are sure they want FS when they go inside, and then, if he girls are busy, do not take the leftovers, there is a reason why some girls are busy and others not.I think I read John's report differently to Soapy and yourself, my take is that he did go there for FS but the girl's attitude and service totally put him off. I would probably have reacted the same way as him with this kind of service (as I perceive it from his report).

[John Euro]

I think I read John's report differently to Soapy and yourself, my take is that he did go there for FS but the girl's attitude and service totally put him off. I would probably have reacted the same way as him with this kind of service (as I perceive it from his report).Sonic Bam, Well read, this exactly what was saying, when I walk up to the room I use always my French charm with being polite and a bit funny, with my sixth sense I feel right away if its gone work or not, 99% it works, this time it was not there, the girl as to please the client to some make money and the 1500 is not just granted because you walk in. If she tell me in two words to shower in a tub and lay face down then I will see how she is gone turn me to deserve here 1500. Wile from the same company, there have been more not soo good reports on Luxury but as far as I remember non on Thonglor.John

[NicFrenchy]

Wow, I am surprised.Luxury used to (still kind of is) a fav place of mine. Having said that I never had Miss PANG.John Euro, The session could have been better for you but I can't blame you at all because I have done exactly the same as you countless times.. until the day I decided not to take any crap from the girls any more. Always keep a positive attitude and most of all (and Easy2007 nailed it) is you want FS, SKIP the massage. Foreplay is very important for me so I always start by telling the girl I want special and invite her to shower with me. In the shower, the Foreplay starts, I dictate the pace and she follows (you will find TGs like that). If you don't do that, she will do her routine.My problem is that I never have enough with 1 hour for the FS only... so I laugh when the girls ask you for FS with 10 mn left on the clock.Next time, you should not have accepted the HJ at all. just let her finish the massage and give her no tip (or 20thb). This will teach her for trying to rip you off with a 800 HJ. But I have rarely come across girls like these. Maybe I'll try PANG next time I go to Luxury and see if she tries to pull the same trick.

[John Euro]

Wow, I am surprised.Luxury used to (still kind of is) a fav place of mine. Having said that I never had Miss PANG.The session could have been better for you but I can't blame you at all because I have done exactly the same as you countless times.. until the day I decided not to take any crap from the girls any more.Nick, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it and I know it is one of your fav places In your PM to me on 12 January you told me: For your Soi 19 question, Luxury is a nice Spa and I guess you can bring your miss out there ? Example you bring your wife out there or a women walks in for a massage only, the girl get maybe only 100thb extra tip, I will see there reaction, same for exclusive. Good I did not try your suggestion LOL.From what I have seen there occasionally I would have been in big trouble with doing that, when I was waiting for my girl, the receptionist gave the photo book to a younger western couple that just walked in, from what I could see on the women here face and reaction when seeing the pictures, she really did not expected that kid of presentation, maybe only a menu and they left again.I actually took a 1. 5h session, then they normally understand what you wantJE

[Run Mann]

I finally made the effort to visit the Shitlom branch since Welcomed by one decent looking girl and 3 dogs I did not likeLooks like Shitlom as a lot more rooms but I prefer the welcome and bigger reception area at 33 branchYou do realize it is Chitlom and not Shitlom or is that your play on words about because of your disapproval of that branch?

[Centaurus]

A disaster...! Still, I have her mobile number...Just a thought - Sunday is her day off, so if you were asking yesterday it might have just meant that she wasn't there that day. Clutching at straws, I know...No, let's not go into panic mode yet ;) . I didn't call the shop, only read it on the other forum.

[John Euro]

You do realize it is Chitlom and not Shitlom or is that your play on words about because of your disapproval of that branch? It sounds or looks like you have a great sense of humour, I like it that way, due to all the wrong spelling errors from Thai on the road signs its getting confusing to pick the right word or writing sometimes, if you only see how many different spelling there are for Pekhasem road, one should end up at the Laos border for less. But NO, believe me it was not a Shit (lom) experience and no disapproval at there Akane branch, beside the fact she had the little finger up in my ass.You made good remark mate. Just see what a wrong spelling can lead to, I had other shit experinces I don't want to talk about.John Euro

[John Euro]

Wow, I am surprised.Luxury used to (still kind of is) a fav place of mine.Maybe I'll try PANG next time I go to Luxury and see if she tries to pull the same trick.The story reflection is not only about Pang, it happen now an then to all of us, all depend on how we deal with it, sometimes I put the blame to quick in myself if things does not match properly, a negative reaction or lack of interest at first sight can occur from the client or the provider, I am not the kind of guy that grabs the girl right away between here legs when walking up to the room but I behave always, I never have to blame myself for that kind of behaviour but what?s left? It all occur sometimes due to small little things to turn on or off, . A example, maybe she does not like your hairstyle or the country where you come from ? I am definitely not a dark Arab, you smoke. But no, I don?t smoke, you have to much hair on your body, I don?t have any hair, A important factor for us, sometimes there are things we mongers don?t like about the girls there attitude but we don?t react that quick or negative on it.A little example, I remember some years ago, I took a nice looking girl with me from Renoir at 33 to my room at the Sheraton Grande for LT, I told here on the way to the hotel that I came from Mars, she did not know where it was located but between all the joking she thought at least it was somewhere in Europe, after our first round of great sex we just chatting a bit about general things and during the chit- chat I told here things about the country where I actually came from, in a flash she gets completely nuts and starts crying like a waterfall, tears all over the pillow, I have been trough worst situations to get in to panic but did not know how to handle that situation, at this stage love and the great sex game was over and out, there was no way to repair the GFE situation from before, what did I wrong? Blaming myself for what, big shit, just guess why? Finally I figured out that here long time boyfriend (read sponsor) just broke off with here and this was here first day back at work after a week crying time at home and this guy came from the same country as I was talking about, bad luck but its only Murphy?s law that came in to the game.Thai girls can react even more unpredictable than western women, it al depend a bit on how you deal with it but I am to old to let these kids playing games with me, finally we guys pay the bill and these girls have to act professionally for what they finally get paid for and it is not up to us to go on our knees to get a smile or a chance to get sex, that?s what married men have to do (mainly) at home, John

[M P Lurker]

Wow, I am surprised.Luxury used to (still kind of is) a fav place of mine. Having said that I never had Miss PANG.PANG (Phaeng) in Thai means "expensive" but perhaps she has a different pronunciation.

[M P Lurker]

LOL - I'm surprised superstar Yok is still around, given all the international acclaim the past few weeks on ISG. All good things come to a pass....We can't expect superstars to last forever. Many girls have a dream to do something else, maybe run a different type of business. Its best to get the phone numbers just in case ;)Lets face it. They have to do it for the money.If they find another better source of money, they will leave.Sometimes girls who leave, come back again after it didn't work out. Dao returned. Perhaps others will too.

[Raptors]

We can't expect superstars to last forever. Many girls have a dream to do something else, maybe run a different type of business. Its best to get the phone numbers just in case ;)Lets face it. They have to do it for the money.If they find another better source of money, they will leave.Sometimes girls who leave, come back again after it didn't work out. Dao returned. Perhaps others will too.Well true they do it for money absolutely because considering regular income possibilities in Thailand, they can make quite a lot even considering the circumstances. In the case of Yok, I have talked with her quite a bit, well I still expect her to be there sometime, so worries here for the people.

[Member #3428]

No, let's not go into panic mode yet ;) . I didn't call the shop, only read it on the other forum.Nope she is gone for a while at least...

[Mouse1]

Striker, I choose Nestle for a third session. When we got to the room (about 9 PM) she was a complete *****. The first thing she said was she was really tired and not to touch her titties. The she jumped in the shower without inviting me. I got in the shower and she handed me the bottle of soap like she wanted me to wask my own dick. No blowjob. She then just laid on the bed and told me to fuck her if I wanted to. She was a complete *****. I told it wasn't happining for me and got dressed. Nestle said I didn't have to pay her (no shit) but I was still asked to pay the 800b for the (20 nim) massage.I had a similar experience with Nestle once - not quite so rude but she was clearly too tired after a late night to make much effort. I reported on it some time ago. Have never revisited her after that.

[Run Mann]

It sounds or looks like you have a great sense of humour, I like it that way, due to all the wrong spelling errors from Thai on the road signs its getting confusing to pick the right word or writing sometimes, if you only see how many different spelling there are for Pekhasem road, one should end up at the Laos border for less. But NO, believe me it was not a Shit (lom) experience and no disapproval at there Akane branch, beside the fact she had the little finger up in my ass.You made good remark mate. Just see what a wrong spelling can lead toJohn Euro The finger up the ass is SOP at Akane but I'm with you in objecting to being probed by those girls and I'm glad you had a good time. I agree with you about the spelling issue, there are also so many euphemisms, jargons and slangs here that you have to be ?in the know? to not get lost in the translation. Just look at the Pattaya thread where scholastic lessons are being conducted on the proper enunciation of the modified pickup TRUCK known in Thailand as the Baht BUS.

[NicFrenchy]

Well, not really the review you guys expect but I am just telling you I have decided to no longer use Luxury on soi 19.NOT because of a bad performance (I could deal with that) but because the Mamasan / Cashier Lied to me.I know that many of you will think that "yeah, forget it, they all lie" but I am highly disappointed. I have been a very regular customer there and thought they treated their clients fairly, obviously, I was wrong.I am not sure you guys remember the review I made about Luxury when I wanted to See Miss R (Lamai) and the mamasan told be she went back to her hometown? that she was pregnant? and that she was gone for 6 months?Well, I saw Miss R, working in another shop yesterday. She isn't pregnant, she isn't gone home, she's in Bangkok, working.I can appreciate that sometimes business people will omit to mention something to protect their interests, but in this case, they blatantly lied so I am no longer comfortable supporting this place with my money.So long Luxury

[NicFrenchy]

I finally saw Miss JEAB that Mick was talking about.She isn't as cute as her pic and her skin color is darker than on the picture, but she is still a cutie. She was booked by a guy and happened to come out of the girls area so I got a good look at her.I would not mind a session with her

[NicFrenchy]

I went into Honey to give it a Try.>> for those who don't know, Honey massage is the new place that belongs to the Angel Group (Angel, Menthol, Honey) and was open after the Angel 22 shop closed.the Honey website features a few cuties but unfortunately they are not available. The book they have there features totally different girls (not as nice as the website).Too bad so I left.

[NicFrenchy]

I saw something very strange at Angel yesterday: As I was looking at the book, a (very plain) TG entered and talked to the cashier who immediately gave her some application form to fill out. Once the Application was filled out, the lady took out a set of about 10 photos and gave them to the Cashier. All the pics were photoshopped but the cashier went through all of them (evaluation process?).I left before they could reach a decision but on my way out, I smiled and said "good luck" to the girl who smiled back and waied me. Unfortunately, she isn't pretty enough to be in the Angel lineup methinks.

[Traveler1234]

We can't expect superstars to last forever. Many girls have a dream to do something else, maybe run a different type of business. Its best to get the phone numbers just in case ;)Lets face it. They have to do it for the money.If they find another better source of money, they will leave.Sometimes girls who leave, come back again after it didn't work out. Dao returned. Perhaps others will too.Yep, well said and couldn't agree more. That's what makes ISG fun - it's the monger's equivalent of American Idol - the endless search for the next star ;)

[Stiffoak 571]

Yep, well said and couldn't agree more. That's what makes ISG fun - it's the monger's equivalent of American Idol - the endless search for the next star ;)Or Dancing on Ice (only Brits need to know)

[M P Lurker]

NOT because of a bad performance (I could deal with that) but because the Mamasan / Cashier Lied to me.I know that many of you will think that "yeah, forget it, they all lie" but I am highly disappointed. I have been a very regular customer there and thought they treated their clients fairly, obviously, I was wrong.Nic,In the end we can put up with bad staff, bad facilities, and all sorts of things, provided the girl we want is still there.Its as simple as that. But they pissed you off and the girl is gone too.When the flower girl was so hot, I didn't even notice what the bed was like. LOL P.S. Lying is considered quite normal in Thailand but my ex GF was a freak. She appeared not to know how to. In 3 years I would search for evidence and never once caught her out with a lie. The most unbelievable things turned out to be confirmed by investigation. But if the truth was not acceptable in her view, she would simply be silent. Its gets nearly as annoying as lies, especially when she is not talking even though not been accused of anything at all.Silent in anticipation?But I am going to try it. I try not to bullshit girls, as I'm too lazy to make up stuff, so I might as well just be quiet when I don't want to answer.ML

[Sharka]

Had plan to visit Catherine MP's last year during my visit but ended spending all my time in Pattaya instead.My last visit to Catherine MP was 2 year ago but it was closed at that time because it was raided Twice by the local cops and shut down.I heard it was not going to reopen or open under a different name. not sure what the status of this MP is at this time. Any mongers here try Catherines recently and if still open, is the policy still 2 shots in 2 hours?thanksPTHad some coworkers that returned from Bkk and paid a visit to Catherines. Their experiences were so-so. Said the girls were mostly unenthusiastic about what they were doing, maybe because they were foreigners and not some rich Thais (their main customers) . Many starfishes there, so buyers beware.As to cost, they said had 2 groups . Left and Right side. Sorry, but forgot what my friends said were the cost of each group. Perhaps someone else who been there can list the correct prices.Shark

[NicFrenchy]

I try not to bullshit girls, as I'm too lazy to make up stuff, so I might as well just be quiet when I don't want to answer.That might work in Thailand, but this can never work in the west.

[NicFrenchy]

I went to Hana in hope of getting a good Balls Massage + sex with Rin.When I arrived, there was a girl sleeping on the couch (entrance left) so I tried to slide the door without waking her but no success. She jumped up and yelled something in Thai.A lady in her 30s came out from the Girls Area and looked like she was sleeping too (also had her top unbuttoned adn was holding it with one hand). I smiled adn pretended to look the other way to give her time to button it up.I asked for Rin and the lady told me "you like old lady?" adn said that there were 3 other lady available, very good service. Looking at the girl that was asleep on the couch, I was not very interested.It turned out Monday is Rin's day off. Too bad for me. I left

[M P Lurker]

Their experiences were so-so. Said the girls were mostly unenthusiastic about what they were doing, maybe because they were foreigners and not some rich Thais (their main customers) . Many starfishes there, so buyers beware.SharkThe rich Thais will go to more upmarket places like Amsterdam, Utopia, La Belle, Tarawadee, etc.Catherine is el cheapo, and quality of girls not so good.Most Catherine girls will probably have a pimp/agent looking after them.

[Fon Tok]

It turned out Monday is Rin's day off. Too bad for me... That's why I always call about 11 in the morning and speak with Rin directly. Last time I was there -- Valentine's Day -- Khun Rin gave me a gift I will remember for a long, long time. Seems there's a lot more to Rin than just the bast balls massage in town...Chok dee Mr. Nic!

[Dobinator1]

I had a similar experience with Nestle once - not quite so rude but she was clearly too tired after a late night to make much effort. I reported on it some time ago. Have never revisited her after that.I went with Nestle last Saturday, at about 5, and I have to say, she was one of the best providers I have ever had - very enthusastic, funny, great conversationalist, and the sex and massage were fantastic. Maybe she puts too much into the early clients not to leave enough for the later.

[NicFrenchy]

Seems there's a lot more to Rin than just the bast balls massage in town...Are you talking about her oversize breasts? :D please do tell...

[John Euro]

PANG (Phaeng) in Thai means "expensive" but perhaps she has a different pronunciation.The name underneath the picture in the book was definitely PANG.

[John Euro]

Are you talking about her oversize breasts? :D please do tell...I had a great outstanding session with RIN few day?s ago , will get the report done tomorrow and you will learn all about here big ( tell you later ) John

[M P Lurker]

The name underneath the picture in the book was definitely PANG.Yes, I am not doubting. The spelling English means little, as its still hard to guess the correct Thai word. The correct Thai consonant is not clear, the correct vowel is not clear, and the tone is not clear. Its just that Thai and English do not match.

[M P Lurker]

I finally saw Miss JEAB that Mick was talking about.She isn't as cute as her pic and her skin color is darker than on the picture, but she is still a cutie. She was booked by a guy and happened to come out of the girls area so I got a good look at her.I would not mind a session with herDidn't I post a real pic of her?

[NicFrenchy]

Didn't I post a real pic of her?Did you?I was just comparing with her Photo. When she walked out, I had the photo album adn flipped to her page. I could see the difference right there and then.

[NicFrenchy]

She was a complete *****. I told it wasn't happining for me and got dressed. Nestle said I didn't have to pay her (no shit) but I was still asked to pay the 800b for the (20 nim) massage.Next time it may be better to just come down adn ask for a change of girl (for the remainder of the session). The current girl might lose face but as a customer, you should not care, you pay for a service and if they can't/won't provide, then it is your right to change.

[M P Lurker]

Did you?I was just comparing with her Photo. When she walked out, I had the photo album adn flipped to her page. I could see the difference right there and then. You obviously forgot over time.http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=833095&highlight=Jiap+Angel#post833095Can't imagine why you are awake so early in morning!Its evening for me as not in Thailand.I thought Jiap was quite good looking without being stunning, but better than other girls in Angel lineup when most girls were available. She gave me a good "Gee-up" by riding me very expertly.In my experience, absolutely stunning girls do not exist at Oilies. Maybe Angel's Kristen could have been stunning, but never actually met her before she was gone. :(The stunners do appear in Soapies at times. That's why ....But Oilies do have the odd delightful girl. ;)

[NicFrenchy]

Can't imagine why you are awake so early in morning!Its evening for me as not in Thailand.Ah, well, Had quite an eventful night :D but I won't tell
In my experience, absolutely stunning girls do not exist at Oilies. The stunners do appear in Soapies at times. That's why ....But Oilies do have the odd delightful girl. ;)I fully agree with you on this. The difference between Oilies adn Soapies is, class. What I mean is that in thailand it is very important that you belong to a certain class/Category and some girls will never accept to be mixed with some "Run of the Mill" ladies. At Oilies, Everyone is on the same level it is up to the customer to choose.Soapies are different, FB, models, sideline, supermodels... some girls really like to be in the higher status. Also, some stunners (like the one you had at LA BELLE) might not want to screw 5 guys per day, they are happy with 1 or 2 and get handsomely paid for it.

[NicFrenchy]

Looks like a few girls have vanished. My Fav (Hiro) from 33 is not on the website anymore :(http://www.pink-project.com/akane/english/ladise.html

[NicFrenchy]

I actually took a 1. 5h session, then they normally understand what you wantHi JE, In 4 years of going frequently to Oilies I have learned 1 thing, never assume anything. If you want something, then it is best to ask for it.Many ladies are a little shy to ask and wait for you to make a move, then, 10 minutes before the end, seeing as you did not make a move, they might pop the question.

[NicFrenchy]

Following John Euro’s unsuccessful session at Luxury, I started thinking, what would happen if I went to a new place and took a new girl? Let her do her stuff and see what happens?With that in mind I went to Sukhumvit soi 31 (a soi I very rarely visit). There are 4 places here that I can try: - Oranges Massage http://orangesbkk.com/ - Euro Massage http://euromassage.allabout-thailand.com/ - Orchid Massage http://www.paithailand.com/orchidmassage/eng/index.php - Dream massage http://www.dreammassage31.com/index.php?language= I have visited All but one of the above places: Dream Massage. I went in before but never found a girl that I wanted to stay for.This time I was determined to finally try it.I entered the place and there wasn’t any life in the lobby but eventually an older and heavier mamas an made her way to me and greeted me. She wasn’t very enthusiastic and I really hoped that the girls were a lot more enthusiastic than she was. Flipping through the book I could feel her heavy breathing next to me and it started to make me uncomfortable, especially so that she was commenting on every picture. “this one holiday” “she busy now” “she here, you want her? Good” “oh, she booking”… I wanted to tell her to go to hell but managed to stay poised and smile.I pointed to a lady that had no sticker but Mama wasn’t sure if she was busy or not so she had to yell her name to see if she was there. An reply came out of somewhere and Mama then turned to me “she busy”. I wanted to ask her “what kind of business are you running here? 3 girls are busy and you can’t even keep track?” hell at oilies like Angel, they tell you when each girl will be next available and ask you if you want to make a booking.I came all this way so might as well try to enjoy myself and besides, I had no intention of wrestling with the overweight mamas an in case I left without taking a girl LOL.The girl came out and she was a little shorter than I expected but had a very sweet smile. We went up 2 flight of stairs right into a nice room with a big mirror next to the bed! Mama gave me the VIP room or are all rooms with a big mirror? Not sure but I certainly appreciate it.Mama, if you read this forum (I know you won’t but..) “Quit snacking on the dried pork skin! And thanks for the room ”I won’t tell you which lady I picked but she is one of their TOP 5 girlIn the room she left to get her tools and I hopped into the shower to cool down from the outside heat. Upon her return she gave me the wash soap and Listerine then closed the door of the shower. It was clear that she had no intention of showering with me. I start to feel like JE’s Luxury session. I have 2 choices, keep quiet and see where it leads (probably to an uninspired and lame massage followed by a dull plea for extras) or ask her to join me (and see how well she can clean my dick).I was horny and in no mood for the first option so I opened the shower door and asked her “you not take shower?”, her reply “oh you want I shower with you? Ok”. She stripped completely and joined me. I did not give her any time to think and took the lead: I grabbed the body wash and started to pour it on her with one hand and spreading the lotion with the other. She smiled and let me wash her completely (of course, she was also washing me at the same time). We exchanged basic information in the shower and she was now all smiles. Good for me!Out of the shower my phone rang and despite my very brief conversation (a friend) she smiled at me and said: “khon Faranset” (means: you are French). I was stunned. I asked her if she could speak French but she could not, she just said that she has a few French customers.We then started talking about customer’s nationalities and she confessed to liking Japanese men better because “lek lek dick” (very small dick). She also said that the day before, she had “chocolate man” (a black guy) and that the guy had a huge dick. So big that she only accepted HJ and she had to go at it with 2 hands (she mimicked it and if her motions were accurate, the guy must have had a 20 inch dick). She said that she does not like India man and Chocolate man, and she really does not like germany man (she would not tell me why).We were having this conversation while lying on the bed. It was time to get things started. She made a move to get the oil and I stopped her “mâi ao massage” (I don’t want a massage) I told her and she started to laugh. “You don’t want massage? Why you come to massage shop?” (we were both laughing hard at this point). She started to stroke me and licking my nipples, making her way down my shaft. When the moment arrived for her to blow me, she rolled a condom down my dick. “condom?” I said and she replied “oh, you don’t like?” “not for smoke” I told her. She gently removed it and started a nice BBBJ with a lot of suction on the head. I, of course reciprocated with a good Catbath and Daty. She loved that I was kissing her neck and ears and although she initially avoided kissing, she by then initiated the DFK.As I went down on her she was starting to get very wet and as she was reaching orgasm I gently inserted a portion of my finger up her rear. She closed her eyes and let a little noise come out her mouth. She was enjoying this. Her orgasm was intense and after she jumped in my arms and gave me another DFK.She said I was the first customer for her that day and she is happy that I choose her. She went down on my Johnson and again did a good job at making me hard.We had sex for a full hour. I was knackered and so was she, she really could not take any more.I used the “male multiple orgasms” technique I read in a book and I can say that it worked like a charm… well, almost.I actually held the sperm from coming out while still feeling all the good sensations, my dick was still hard, very sensitive for a few seconds but ready to go for round 2. I did it a second time and she was really getting tired. The downside was that the third time I could not come at all and she had the impression that I did not have an orgasm (I had 2 in fact, but as there was no sperm in the rubber). She was sorry she could not make me come and tried desperately to give me a very good BBBJ but I was done. I told her it’s not a problem.She said I was, very strong and she finish many time and now she want to sleep and have no energy.Coming down the lobby the mama an asked me for more money (2 hours instead of 1) and I went back in the heat of Bangkok.Will I go back to Dream? Possibly but I will most likely call her for a takeout at my condo.Sorry guys, no name, this one stays with me

[NicFrenchy]

Looking at their website, there are 3 girls that I would not mind humping: MIMI, MOD, CHERRYhas anyone been with them before?

[Dextro Sol]

Looking at their website, there are 3 girls that I would not mind humping: MIMI, MOD, CHERRYhas anyone been with them before?Real cuties.I'll put them on my list for next time.

[Normad2020]

Mate, just checking with you as to why the girls featured in Sweet Massage and those featured in Dream Massage are the same? Are these two massage places belonging to the same owner?I was thinking of visiting Dream Massage on my next trip to Bangkok in March 2009, thus the question. Hope you don't mind.Cheersnormad2020
New ladies @ Sweet Massage on Sukhumvit Soi 39http://www.sweetmassage39.com/

[NicFrenchy]

Are these two massage places belonging to the same owner?Yes, they are ;)

[Satrai2000]

Looking at their website, there are 3 girls that I would not mind humping: MIMI, MOD, CHERRYhas anyone been with them before?I have been with the 3rd one before. RTF: certainly!