Living in Thailand

[NicFrenchy]

Not me either. Get a government job. That way you can go in late and make up for it by leaving early.

unless you're at a very decent position within the government, the pay is lousy

[Old Thai Hand]

Sorry but you're talking out of your rear. you don't know what others do and what amount of work needs to be done (at or outside work) so you can't possibly compare by generalizing.

You're absolutely correct.

I worked in communications, 60 hours/wk for over 15 years, on top of which I taught part-time.

I actually turned to teaching full-time because I didn't want to work so hard anymore. Sure, it pays a pittance compared to what I used to make. But, it's far less work and less stressful.

[Amer Tun]

You're absolutely correct.

I worked in communications, 60 hours/wk for over 15 years, on top of which I taught part-time.

I actually turned to teaching full-time because I didn't want to work so hard anymore. Sure, it pays a pittance compared to what I used to make. But, it's far less work and less stressful.So you'd better come work to Europe where teaching pays lots more OTH.
I work 16h/week for full time at about 5500 eur (THB 282.000 or USD 8.450) net per month as a single. For the rest I can work till 30h/week to get more money.

Should I say that I work in Luxembourg?

Here I get twice the amount then in Germany, France or Belgium.

Makes me some extra to spend in LOS.

Amet Tun

[Old Thai Hand]

So you'd better come work to Europe where teaching pays lots more OTH.
I work 16h/week for full time at about 5500 eur (THB 282.000 or USD 8.450) net per month as a single. For the rest I can work till 30h/week to get more money.

Should I say that I work in Luxembourg?

Here I get twice the amount then in Germany, France or Belgium.

Makes me some extra to spend in LOS.

Amet Tun

I suppose you're European and can work in Europe. It's not so easy for a N. American, unless one can luck out and work in one of the overseas American unis.

In any event, what people fail to take into account in discussions about salaries is that tax rates in Thailand are considerably lower than in the west. Think of taxes in Sweden and the UK.

For example, the average university salary in the US is approximately $46,500/yr. Deducting state and federal taxes, you'd likely end up with a net of about $32,000. Given the cost of living in the US, this wouldn't go very far. Of course, there are first tier universities and state universities that pay considerably more, but not usually much above about $80,000/year, unless you're a senior professor.

In comparison, once one is in the loop, it's not too difficult to make a university salary of about $48,000/yr in Thailand, provided you have marketable qualifications and skilss. Since a large portion of this constitutes tax-free teaching fees, the net, after taxes would be about $45,000/yr. While certainly far from expat salaries in the private sector, this is still a respectable salary, especially if one considers that the hours worked are much less than 40 hrs/wk.

But, with the rising cost of living here, lower taxes are becoming less and less of an advantage.

[Redfield10]

Oth,

I'd have to dispute that the "average" university salary is 46k in the US. Perhaps for a non-tenured "lecturer" it might be. And for a lecturer who does no research.

However, for tenure-track profs at the Asst. Prof level on up, I'd say the "average" (including the assoc. Profs and full profs. Is more like 70-80k. And at other universities a full prof can easily make over 100k. Particularly if research and outside income is added in.

There are a wide range of folks teaching at various levels across the USA at various loads. So that's why I offered some context above.


I suppose you're European and can work in Europe. It's not so easy for a N. American, unless one can luck out and work in one of the overseas American unis.

In any event, what people fail to take into account in discussions about salaries is that tax rates in Thailand are considerably lower than in the west. Think of taxes in Sweden and the UK.

For example, the average university salary in the US is approximately $46,500/yr. Deducting state and federal taxes, you'd likely end up with a net of about $32,000. Given the cost of living in the US, this wouldn't go very far. Of course, there are first tier universities and state universities that pay considerably more, but not usually much above about $80,000/year, unless you're a senior professor.

In comparison, once one is in the loop, it's not too difficult to make a university salary of about $48,000/yr in Thailand, provided you have marketable qualifications and skilss. Since a large portion of this constitutes tax-free teaching fees, the net, after taxes would be about $45,000/yr. While certainly far from expat salaries in the private sector, this is still a respectable salary, especially if one considers that the hours worked are much less than 40 hrs/wk.

But, with the rising cost of living here, lower taxes are becoming less and less of an advantage.

[M P Lurker]

So you'd better come work to Europe where teaching pays lots more OTH.
I work 16h/week for full time at about 5500 eur (THB 282.000 or USD 8.450) net per month as a single. For the rest I can work till 30h/week to get more money.

Should I say that I work in Luxembourg?

Here I get twice the amount then in Germany, France or Belgium.

Makes me some extra to spend in LOS.

Amet Tun
What are you teaching that pays so well?

[SE Asia Joe]

Sorry guys - do you mind me asking a bit more about Thai Tax laws - seeing as this is ISG?

Anyway, I own a few properties in Phuket - all individually owned thru separate BVI companies, whose "principal' is my tax accountant in Hong Kong (and who do not go to Thailand). I rent these places thru an agent there and when they rent it out for less than a month, they go ahead and deduct the taxes and pay it to the Phuket tax office. When they rent it out for longer than a month, they do NOT deduct anything - and just 'suggests' that I should go ahead and file an income tax report at the end of the year.

Wellllll.... I of course have never filed such a tax report. What are the implications and the possible downside here?? The sums are I guess quite considerable in the Thai context i.e. I just rented out that 2 bedroom out for US$15,000 for the next 5 months - plus like I said, I do have other properties and a couple or so rents out for quite a bit more.

Thanks - and again my apologies for asking a question unrelated to mongering

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

The rest of my expenses are utilities (about 8,000) food, (about 12,000), allowance for my GF and Gig (7500x2=15,000) and this and that (10,000). I probably spend more than 65,000 some months. But, that's about the average.

Anything else you want to know?
Hey OTH - thanks for clarifying.

And as far as other things - yes -

You spend THB7,500@ allowance for your GF and Gig. Is this the "going rate" in Bangkok? Seems quite low to me - less than a quarter or even a fifth of the 'rate' in China and helluva lot lower than in HKG for sure! What does the 7500 cover? I mean is this what guys pay to maintain a mistress there? Or is it just little bit here and there for your GF who I believe is NOT a P4P? Please clarify

Thanks
SEAJ

[Old Thai Hand]

Hey OTH - thanks for clarifying.

And as far as other things - yes -

You spend THB7,500@ allowance for your GF and Gig. Is this the "going rate" in Bangkok? Seems quite low to me - less than a quarter or even a fifth of the 'rate' in China and helluva lot lower than in HKG for sure! What does the 7500 cover? I mean is this what guys pay to maintain a mistress there? Or is it just little bit here and there for your GF who I believe is NOT a P4P? Please clarify

Thanks
SEAJ

I don't think there is anything such as a going rate. I think it depends on the quality of the girl. Both my GF and Gig are good girls, and not out to gouge me. They are both quite modest in their tastes and don't ask for much out of genuine concern for me. In fact, for some time I paid them each only 5,000/month and have only increased it this year because of a rise in living costs. They both were perfectly happy with this.

While my GF lives with me, so doesn't have much in the way of personal expenses except for clothes, transportation and food at school, my Gig pays everything (except tuition) out of the 7500, including her apartment, Internet and general day-to-day expenses. Up until this year, she had a student loan for school. But, for some reason, she didn't qualify this year, so I paid it. It's generally not that much. This is her final semester and her tuition is 13,500.

I think this is clear evidence that if you get yourself a regular TG of quality, she won't fall into the cliche of money-hungry Thai girls always asking for more and more. A P4P girl will do that because she's hard-wired that way. But, a genuine, quality TG simply won't be like that, in my experience.

It was my decision from day 1 to support both of them because that's how things are done here. But, I have my limits, and they respect that. It's been like this for over 2 years and there's never been any nasty suprises: sick mothers, water buffalos or whatever. For example, I loaned my GF's father money to pay his car insurance and he actually paid me back. That's the kind of people she comes from.

[SE Asia Joe]

I don't think there is anything such as a going rate. I think it depends on the quality of the girl. Both my GF and Gig are good girls, and not out to gouge me.
I think this is clear evidence that if you get yourself a regular TG of quality, she won't fall into the cliche of money-hungry Thai girls always asking for more and more. A P4P girl will do that because she's hard-wired that way. But, a genuine, quality TG simply won't be like that, in my experience.

It was my decision from day 1 to support both of them because that's how things are done here. .

Thanks for this insight - which is VERY insightul for me on the way things are in thailand. Yes I do go down to LOS quite frequently - but have always just gone ahead and "screwed' around whilst there.

One thing I find interesting is the fact that a "decent" Thai gal would accept cash payments. A regular/decent gal in Hong Kong AND China would generally NOT accept a regular cash payment - and if she does, is then considered a mistress/kept woman and the relationship would be first predicated on the money part.

But it seems from you, that this would not necessarily be taken in such a context in Thailand i.e. she maintains her 'decent' status even when she is actually being paid reguarly by you. Interesting!!

SEAJ

[Opebo]

I've had serious relationships with two middle class girls in Thailand, and dated a couple more. None of them ever accepted a dime, nor expected one, as far as I could tell. Of course I was only 5-10 years older, and these girls were apparently from much richer families than OTH's dependants.

Interesting story about your father-in-law's car insurance, OTH. While I am sure he is a gentleman of sterling character - and his repayment of the loan confirms this - his impecuniousness may imply something about his daughter's motivations.

[Amer Tun]

What are you teaching that pays so well?Mick,

I even don't teach at univesity level. I teach in Highschool, maths and economics. We work on a 22h/week basis and teaching lessons have coefficients so you don't work the real 22h but more like 16-17h/week. For this I get 5500 eur/month in my pocket (after tax, which is about 47% for a single).

Another good thing is as you work for the government, you can't loose your job.

If you want some extra money here, you can work till 30 h/week, which makes you a salary after tax of about 8500 eur after tax because tax is slightly higher for the extra.

I worked in banks before this, which gets you slightly more money but I would never change back considering the fact you can loose your job there.

As OTH mentioned, US expats can't have these jobs. By the way I've got a doctorate in econometrics in France which enables me to teach at university but I feel more comfortable in Highschool with all the advantages I have here.

Amer Tun.

[Old Thai Hand]

Oth,

I'd have to dispute that the "average" university salary is 46k in the US. Perhaps for a non-tenured "lecturer" it might be. And for a lecturer who does no research.

However, for tenure-track profs at the Asst. Prof level on up, I'd say the "average" (including the assoc. Profs and full profs. Is more like 70-80k. And at other universities a full prof can easily make over 100k. Particularly if research and outside income is added in.

There are a wide range of folks teaching at various levels across the USA at various loads. So that's why I offered some context above.

I took the figure of $46,500 from US News and World Report and I suspect it covers a very wide range of institutions and positions from lecturer up to full professor. If you average all those variables, I think it's not that out-of-line.
Relative to the numbers of people teaching, the positions and salaries you describe (which I also referred to in my original post) are not that common and near the top of the spectrum. Increasingly, institutions are dropping tenure as being too costly. Also, this average is only talking about salaries and doesn't include grants, or outside work etc.

I can also add a personal note to this. The last time I applied for a job in the US, in 2004 at a first tier college in upper NY state, I was offered $49,000, which I refused. They then upped it to $54,000 saying this was the ceiling for an Asst. Prof. I turned that down, as well. I was also offered $44,000 at U. of Montana and $48,000 at New Mexico Highlands U. I don't have a PhD, but have an MFA, which in the programs to which I applied is usually considered a terminal degree. I also have considerable experience.

There are so many colleges and universities in the States, that it's simply unreasonable to assume that other than perhaps places at the level of Cornell, Columbia, NYU, UCLA, Yale, Harvard and well-known state schools pay anything like you're describing.

To bring it back to something relevant... I'd hazard a guess that the average salary at a Thai university is probably around 35,000 baht/month. For example, Thai faculty at public universities routinely make only about 25,000/month. But, there are several people, like me making at least 5x that much or more. But, that's not anywhere near the average.

[Run Mann]

for some time I paid them each only 5,000/month and have only increased it this year because of a rise in living costs.

Paid them, not gave?

[Old Thai Hand]

I've had serious relationships with two middle class girls in Thailand, and dated a couple more. None of them ever accepted a dime, nor expected one, as far as I could tell. Of course I was only 5-10 years older, and these girls were apparently from much richer families than OTH's dependants.

Interesting story about your father-in-law's car insurance, OTH. While I am sure he is a gentleman of sterling character - and his repayment of the loan confirms this - his impecuniousness may imply something about his daughter's motivations.

For one thing the difference between your situation and mine is that I am not just "dating" her. We live together, and for all intents and purposes, she's my wife. We're going to get married later this year.

Instead of "impecuniousness", why don't you just say "penniless", you pompous ass. Her father is in fact not poor, nor does she have "motivations" as you imply. As I said before, if money was at all her motivation, she could do a lot better than me. She's extremely cute, and white-skinned. She's in an apprenticeship program at one of the top hotels in BKK, and when she finishes in a couple of months will probably be making more than you do. She has had plenty of opportunities to be with quite wealthy men, both Thai and Farang. Because of this and many other things, I honestly believe her when she says she loves me.

Her father is much older and retired from a upper-management government position. The problem with his insurance was simply a momentary shortfall, which is why I helped out. This is what you do in a Thai family. Her family are solidly middle class and not poor in the least.



To: S.E.A.Joe

What happens in other Asian cultures just doesn't apply here.

In Thai culture, it is simply expected that a man takes care of/supports his GF/wife, which is how I view my committment to my GF. It was my decision from the beginning and it was I who offered, not she who asked for it. For one thing, she's a student and not working. It's my responsibility to pay for her studies. I have been here long enough to know what the culture expects. Thai children also routinely help their parents regardless of the economic standing of the family. That's just how it's done. My GF's family are very honest straight-forward people. For example, because I have been supporting her, when we get married, I won't be required to pay sin sord (dowry) which all men in Thai culture have to pay. I know many Farang who have supported their poor GF's and their families extensively and have still been expected to pay a full dowry when they got married. These type of Thai people tend to be from the lowest classes and totally opportunistic. They often demand and get a dowry far above the amount the girl is "worth" because there's a 'rich' Farang involved and they expect a premium. For example, if an average Isaan farmgirl married a Thai, she'd get 50,000 cash and 2 baht of gold as sin sord. That same girl marrying a Farang (and many are former bargirls and therefore, in reality have no market value at all) would likely demand at least 150,000 cash and 5 baht of gold.

Anyway, in the case of my Gig: I'm simply helping her while she goes to school. When she finishes and starts working, it is understood that this will stop and she'll take care of herself.

[NicFrenchy]

I don't think there is anything such as a going rate. I think it depends on the quality of the girl. Both my GF and Gig are good girls, and not out to gouge me. They are both quite modest in their tastes and don't ask for much out of genuine concern for me. In fact, for some time I paid them each only 5,000/month and have only increased it this year because of a rise in living costs. They both were perfectly happy with this.

Nice insight.
I have 2 giks in Bangkok and we have never discussed any kind of "money" tie for our relationship. These girls are already taken (one is married and the other in a relationship, both with Thai guys) so they call me whenever they want to meet me. When we go out, we usually always go shopping, movies, dancing, nice restaurants and I end up fronting a 3 to 5k bill on average (I guess that's the price I pay to have them?).
I never let them pay for anything (as long as they don't exxagerate of course) and I told them I am not looking for a relationship so I guess they know there is no long term future and seem to accept it (at least for now).

My only mistake is that everytime I see them they come back to my condo (yes, they both know where it is), I am not very worried about a scene because they are both already in a relationship however, what I read here about them being able to become hysterical freaks me out a little... I guess time will tell.

[Old Thai Hand]

Paid them, not gave?

'Gave' is correct. my mistake. I suppose 'paid' implies something else, which is not the case.

[Old Thai Hand]

Nice insight.
I have 2 giks in Bangkok and we have never discussed any kind of "money" tie for our relationship. These girls are already taken (one is married and the other in a relationship, both with Thai guys) so they call me whenever they want to meet me. When we go out, we usually always go shopping, movies, dancing, nice restaurants and I end up fronting a 3 to 5k bill on average (I guess that's the price I pay to have them?).
I never let them pay for anything (as long as they don't exxagerate of course) and I told them I am not looking for a relationship so I guess they know there is no long term future and seem to accept it (at least for now).

My only mistake is that everytime I see them they come back to my condo (yes, they both know where it is), I am not very worried about a scene because they are both already in a relationship however, what I read here about them being able to become hysterical freaks me out a little... I guess time will tell.

As I already indicated, I only give the money to my Gig because she's going to school and I wanted to help. She never asked me to do this. Nor, will it continue after she graduates.

Some people give money to "Save the Children", I do this.

I also used to help another girl in Udon Thani pay for school, yet only met her once (I dated her cousin for a short time, though). I simply did this because her father had abandoned her and her brother because he had a new family, and her mother was in HK working. So, she had nobody to help her.

So sue me. I have a soft spot for students in need.

[Fon Tok]

--snip...I think this is clear evidence that if you get yourself a regular TG of quality, she won't fall into the cliche of money-hungry Thai girls always asking for more and more. A P4P girl will do that because she's hard-wired that way. But, a genuine, quality TG simply won't be like that, in my experience. It was my decision from day 1 to support both of them because that's how things are done here....snip--"That's how things are done here, " is a very appropriate comment on "helping out" a bit.

My experience with my current GF has only been positive and I know she is very frugal. The "regular" money I give to her (5K/mo) goes to her poor mama's farm and daughter's education. She also works 6 or 7 days a weeks. When extra money is needed, which is not often, it hard for her to ask. Once I get her to tell me what's wrong, we just joke that there's a PIN number on my belly. And I give here what she needs. She is very, very good to me and I want her to be happy and feel secure. Hopefully, regardless of where I am, I'd like to do this for her and her family for a long time.

[Retired Army]

...for all intents and purposes, she's my wife. We're going to get married later this year.

Congratulations, you won't regret being married to a "good Thai girl."



She has had plenty of opportunities to be with quite wealthy men, both Thai and Farang. Because of this and many other things, I honestly believe her when she says she loves me.

Isn't it funny how that works?



Her father is much older and retired from a upper-management government position. The problem with his insurance was simply a momentary shortfall, which is why I helped out. This is what you do in a Thai family. Her family are solidly middle class and not poor in the least.

You don't just marry a Thai girl, you marry her family also.

[Crazy Jim Wood]

Instead of "impecuniousness", why don't you just say "penniless", you pompous ass.
Yes, it is true: "pompous ass" are the only words in the English language that can adequately describe any person who uses the word "impecuniousness".

[Daddy San]

Hi there,

I am seriously thinking of moving to LOS and retiring there.
Buy a small house at the seaside, get a TGF, medical insurance, a small car, a broadband internet connection, and live comfortably ever after or at least untill I drop dead.

I am currently living quite comfortably in Germany and I realize that my kind of income should be more than enough in LOS (depending on the extent of the mongering activities and maybe not in BKK).

The catch is my current spouse, who would not get along with my TGF, will therefore stay in Europe and get a large bite of my income.

Can you please point me to some websites and/or other sources to help me estimate the monthly cost of living in Thailand?

Thanks for your input

Hi there,

thanks very much for your frank replies and my sincere apologies for not replying earlier, but "circumstances beyond my control" prevented me from rejoining this discussion sooner.

The bottom line is probably, that I "shall not want" (in the biblical sense) at THB 80-100K.

One point not mentioned in any of your replies is medical insurance. I gather, that the quality of medical care in Thailand is world class, but places like Bumrungrad don't come for free.
What is medical care like outside of BKK?

And above all: How do you expats and LOS-retirees arrange for medical insurance and what does it cost in Thailand?

Thanks again for your help.

[Amer Tun]

Hi there,

thanks very much for your frank replies and my sincere apologies for not replying earlier, but "circumstances beyond my control" prevented me from rejoining this discussion sooner.

The bottom line is probably, that I "shall not want" (in the biblical sense) at THB 80-100K.

One point not mentioned in any of your replies is medical insurance. I gather, that the quality of medical care in Thailand is world class, but places like Bumrungrad don't come for free.
What is medical care like outside of BKK?

And above all: How do you expats and LOS-retirees arrange for medical insurance and what does it cost in Thailand?

Thanks again for your help.Daddy San,

I suppose that being a german citizen, getting his retirement money from gemany, you would also pay your social security and taxes in Germany. So you'll normally get german social security outside. Some years ago you had a paper called E111 providing this. This form doesn't exist any more but is automatically included in your social security card.

In EU social security is harmonized so I think for you it's the same than for me.

As mentioned before I suppose that, even in LOS, you are a german tax payer and therefore a profitee of german social security.

Amer Tun

[El Greco]

Sorry but you're talking out of your rear. you don't know what others do and what amount of work needs to be done (at or outside work) so you can't possibly compare by generalizing.


No matter how sorry you are that kind of phraseology you can use with your friends and your business associates mister. Not with me. Therefore it is returned to you.

Further more at that low level, that you brought the conversation at, you are not worth any more commend by me.

[Flyhere]

Hi All,

Would like to get some tips from the old-timers in Thailand on a long(ish)-term condo rental.

I am based in California, but have recently starting to pick up some work in Asia again, just finishing a short gig in China, my next potential project is in BKK for 6-12 months, around Sukhumvit 42. I think a condo near the train is the best option.

I got a suggestion from a local for Oakwood corporate housing, a studio goes for 47,000 bahts a month, near Surasak BTS station. A friend who goes to BKK often suggested Windsor Suite Hotel at 40,000 bahts a month for a room, and said nearby rentals go for 20,000 baht a month including internet and utilities (not sure studi or 1 bedroom).

Browsing the BKK real estate websites (bangkokpropertyagents, thaiapartments, siamrealestate), I found 1-br in the 18,000-65,000 range, Sukhumvit seems a bit more expensive, with quite a few choices around 25K-35K a month, not sure about furnishing and utilities.

1. Are the more modern high-rise condos around Sukhumvit more desirable? (and safer)?
2. Is it fairly easy to find furnished rentals? who normally covers utilities? I prefer not to have to worry about utilities for 6 month stint.
3. What would be a ball-park average? Are those online ads fairly representative of the market?
4. Are these mostly minimum 12 months? and not month-to-month?

Any advices would be much appreciated. If I make it there, would like to hook up with a few of you, and I owe you a beer or two.

[Old Thai Hand]

Hi there,

thanks very much for your frank replies and my sincere apologies for not replying earlier, but "circumstances beyond my control" prevented me from rejoining this discussion sooner.

The bottom line is probably, that I "shall not want" (in the biblical sense) at THB 80-100K.

One point not mentioned in any of your replies is medical insurance. I gather, that the quality of medical care in Thailand is world class, but places like Bumrungrad don't come for free.
What is medical care like outside of BKK?

And above all: How do you expats and LOS-retirees arrange for medical insurance and what does it cost in Thailand?

Thanks again for your help.

The best expat insurance is BUPA (Blue Cross). If you buy the top policy with the out-patient option it will cover you at all the international hospitals like Bumrungrad, Bangkok Hospital and Samitivej.

[Old Thai Hand]

Hi All,

Would like to get some tips from the old-timers in Thailand on a long(ish)-term condo rental.

I am based in California, but have recently starting to pick up some work in Asia again, just finishing a short gig in China, my next potential project is in BKK for 6-12 months, around Sukhumvit 42. I think a condo near the train is the best option.

I got a suggestion from a local for Oakwood corporate housing, a studio goes for 47,000 bahts a month, near Surasak BTS station. A friend who goes to BKK often suggested Windsor Suite Hotel at 40,000 bahts a month for a room, and said nearby rentals go for 20,000 baht a month including internet and utilities (not sure studi or 1 bedroom).

Browsing the BKK real estate websites (bangkokpropertyagents, thaiapartments, siamrealestate), I found 1-br in the 18,000-65,000 range, Sukhumvit seems a bit more expensive, with quite a few choices around 25K-35K a month, not sure about furnishing and utilities.

1. Are the more modern high-rise condos around Sukhumvit more desirable? (and safer)?
2. Is it fairly easy to find furnished rentals? who normally covers utilities? I prefer not to have to worry about utilities for 6 month stint.
3. What would be a ball-park average? Are those online ads fairly representative of the market?
4. Are these mostly minimum 12 months? and not month-to-month?

Any advices would be much appreciated. If I make it there, would like to hook up with a few of you, and I owe you a beer or two.

Most condos/apartments will be furnished. The online ads tend to often be out-of-date. But, the rates they quote are more or less what you'll pay. But, the selection is quite limited, tends towards the higher end and not a good indication of what is actually available.

It all depends on what you want, (studio, 1 BR) at what level you want it, (basic, luxury) and location. For an outsider coming in and not knowing the lay of the land, you'll probably end up over-paying a bit. If you don't mind a bit of walking around, I'd get a hotel room for a week, select an area and just walk up the soi. There are often 'for rent' signs outside of buildings that would never advertise online.

The first question you need to ask is, where do you want to be located? Then perhaps people on here can be of more help.

[Fon Tok]

-snip-Would like to get some tips from the old-timers in Thailand on a long(ish)-term condo rental...Any advices would be much appreciated. If I make it there, would like to hook up with a few of you, and I owe you a beer or two.Task a look at the Bangkok Craigslist. They have private owners advertising their apartments for rent. I know several people who've found good places for good prices.

Also, apartments are cheaper the farther out you go on the BTS line (e.g., On Nut, Mo Chit). Short term month-to-month is harder to find (and more expensive) than a 1-year lease.

[Flyhere]

...<snip>... If you don't mind a bit of walking around, I'd get a hotel room for a week, select an area and just walk up the soi. There are often 'for rent' signs outside of buildings that would never advertise online...<snip>

Thanks, that's what I was planning anyhow, to get a hotel room for a couple of weeks, then look around. Will have better questions then.

Fon Tok: Thanks, will research info on the BTS stations.

It looks like work is near Ekkamai station, so I'll look into 2-3 stations either side of that. I see Phra Khanong and On Nut on the South side, and Thong Lo, Phrom Phong, then Asok on the North side of the line. Any comments or suggestions for these areas? I think I will start off looking for a 1-br luxury condo, and go from there.

fly

[Old Thai Hand]

Thanks, that's what I was planning anyhow, to get a hotel room for a couple of weeks, then look around. Will have better questions then.

Fon Tok: Thanks, will research info on the BTS stations.

It looks like work is near Ekkamai station, so I'll look into 2-3 stations either side of that. I see Phra Khanong and On Nut on the South side, and Thong Lo, Phrom Phong, then Asok on the North side of the line. Any comments or suggestions for these areas? I think I will start off looking for a 1-br luxury condo, and go from there.

fly

Thong Lor is very expensive, but a great area with lots of good restaurants and clubs.

There are several condos on Ekamai. I used to live there. Are you working on Ekamai or Sukhumvit? Depending on how far down Ekamai you go, there are some reasonably good condos at the far end near Petchburi, (for example, on soi Wat Pasee, Ekamai 23 there are 2 good ones: Petch Tower - about 15,000 for a 1 bedroom and HiTech at about the same price). However, since traffic on Ekamai is pretty congested, unless you are working on Ekamai, this might not be a good option.

The rule of thumb is the further east (not south) you go (i.e. away from downtown), the cheaper it will get. There are some new places around On Nut that will be a fraction of what you'd pay around Asoke and will still be only a 10 minute ride to Ekamai on the BTS. Phra Khanong (soi 71) is also relatively cheap. But, there might not be much near the BTS. If you go up 71, about 10 minutes by taxi, you can find many more reasonable places off the main street. But, just so you are aware, this area and further east towards On Nut is very Thai. There won't be too many foreigners around.

I've attached a link to MrRoomfinder that lists a lot of places by district which should give you a good cross-section of price ranges. The areas you want to look at for your location are: Klongtoey - (some are near the BTS or MRT, but at least it's close even if you take a taxi), Phrakanong and Wattana.

http://www.mrroomfinder.com/apartments_bangkok.php

[Flyhere]

... Are you working on Ekamai or Sukhumvit? Depending on how far down Ekamai you go, there are some reasonably good condos at the far end near Petchburi, (for example, on soi Wat Pasee, Ekamai 23 there are 2 good ones: Petch Tower - about 15,000 for a 1 bedroom and HiTech at about the same price)...Thanks for the names, they definitely help locating things on the map. Not sure where the final work location will be, but it's possibly near Soi Rubia Sukhumvit 42 (I'm still learning the Thai map system), on Google maps the area looks about 1/4 mile directly south of the Ekkamai BTS station. Ekkamai 22 looks quite a distance north of that.

I see a quite a few agencies advertising on BKK craigslist plus lots of condos for rent.

Thanks again.
fly

[Zap2003]

Old Thai HAnd

Thank you for taking the time to provide us with all this info.I think any monger shold treat you with a beer . I am heading to BKK this year and I would definitely want to meet you in a nice club one night(my treat) in case you are interested. Regarding the list that you provided with which area from that list will be closer to the action?


Happy hunting

[NicFrenchy]

Maybe off topic but if my memory serves me right, Soi 42 is a one way street and you can only go from Rama4 to Sukh (so it can be a Pain when coming from the BTS and try to grab a bike)

I love the Thonglor Area and especially J-Avenue, Great places to hang out and plenty of Non P4P opportunities :)

[M P Lurker]

I love the Thonglor Area and especially J-Avenue, Great places to hang out and plenty of Non P4P opportunities :)
I don't know J-Avenue but Google Maps is great.
Plugged "J Avenue, Bangkok" into search box and immediately came back with lots of markers clustered around Thong Lor 15 (plus a few spurious totally misplaced markers). Didn't take more than a minute to find this.

So ISGers, searching the web for a place in Thailand is relatively easy these days.

Although sometimes you have to know the correct "Google" spelling used. Google Maps doesn't accept partial words.
e.g. my mobile phone has Nokia Maps downloaded for Thailand has "Thong Lo 15" although just "Thon" will do to get a list of streets starting with those letters. But no J Avenue.

[Fon Tok]

Ever since I first came to live in Thailand I've noticed a "fire sale" mentality that seems to just suck people in no matter what the product: Clothes, food, watches, costume jewelry, whatever. If a crowd has formed to rummage through the stuff then it must be good, right?

A couple of days ago I was on Silom Rd. and I noticed a CP product sale (eggs, frozen hot dogs, etc.) on the steps of the CP Tower. If my information is correct, CP is the the largest agricultural corporation in the country. I've seen this street front sale before, but today it had more of that "fire sale" look than I remember.

I know that in most countries a good deal is a good deal, but in Thailand it is a downright frenzy. Any thoughts on this?

[Old Thai Hand]

Ever since I first came to live in Thailand I've noticed a "fire sale" mentality that seems to just suck people in no matter what the product: Clothes, food, watches, costume jewelry, whatever. If a crowd has formed to rummage through the stuff then it must be good, right?

A couple of days ago I was on Silom Rd. and I noticed a CP product sale (eggs, frozen hot dogs, etc.) on the steps of the CP Tower. If my information is correct, CP is the the largest agricultural corporation in the country. I've seen this street front sale before, but today it had more of that "fire sale" look than I remember.

I know that in most countries a good deal is a good deal, but in Thailand it is a downright frenzy. Any thoughts on this?


While I don't know the background to this particular event, I do know that with the sharp increase in the cost of consumer goods, especially food, there might be a bit more of a feeding frenzy (no pun intended) than normal. Interestingly, most of the major suppliers of food and tolettries have been given the green light by the government to increase prices even further. Things are getter tougher, that's for sure.

[Flyhere]

I read through the old forum and there are several post discussing having a bank account with HSBC or such in HK or Singapore.
And it seems there are quite a few people do stock trading from Thailand.

Who would be a good firm to have a brokerage account with? specifically if I want to trade US options such as covered calls online from Thailand? I can use Fidelity from Bangkok, but will have to remit money back into the US.

From their website HSBC HK has an investment account, but it looks mainly for trading stocks only. In the US, I can open an account with Fidelity.

If I work in Thailand and get paid there and park my money in HK or Sing, I would like to buy US stock and try to sell some covered calls. (US stocks because I am familiar with Microsoft and Yahoo and such, but nothing to limit me to the US market, just I don't know anything about Europe or HK or China or Thailand...)

Thanks
fly

PS. I found interactivebrokers.com, will take a look to see what they offer

[Redfield10]

I took the figure of $46,500 from US News and World Report and I suspect it covers a very wide range of institutions and positions from lecturer up to full professor. If you average all those variables, I think it's not that out-of-line.

Relative to the numbers of people teaching, the positions and salaries you describe (which I also referred to in my original post) are not that common and near the top of the spectrum. Increasingly, institutions are dropping tenure as being too costly. Also, this average is only talking about salaries and doesn't include grants, or outside work etc.

I can also add a personal note to this. The last time I applied for a job in the US, in 2004 at a first tier college in upper NY state, I was offered $49,000, which I refused. They then upped it to $54,000 saying this was the ceiling for an Asst. Prof. I turned that down, as well. I was also offered $44,000 at U. of Montana and $48,000 at New Mexico Highlands U. I don't have a PhD, but have an MFA, which in the programs to which I applied is usually considered a terminal degree. I also have considerable experience.

There are so many colleges and universities in the States, that it's simply unreasonable to assume that other than perhaps places at the level of Cornell, Columbia, NYU, UCLA, Yale, Harvard and well-known state schools pay anything like you're describing.

To bring it back to something relevant... I'd hazard a guess that the average salary at a Thai university is probably around 35,000 baht/month. For example, Thai faculty at public universities routinely make only about 25,000/month. But, there are several people, like me making at least 5x that much or more. But, that's not anywhere near the average.Here's the latest survey from the Chronicle of Higher Education.

http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/ratingscale/2008aaupratingscale.htm

The figure you quote is too low no matter how you slice it.

As you can see the average salary for the lowest tenured professor category (associate professor) at an average type univeristy. No, I'd have to say below average. (a University that offers a Master's degree, but no PHDs.

Is between 75k and 85k. And that is for only 9 months of teaching as stated in the survey. And includes no research or outside income. So a professor's total salary is usually much higher than that. (I know what I'm talking about being close to the situation.

An instructor at a mediocre institution who has not made tenure or isn't even on tenure track might make 45k. But that's definitely at the very low end.

[Taiwan Laowai]

I read through the old forum and there are several post discussing having a bank account with HSBC or such in HK or Singapore.

And it seems there are quite a few people do stock trading from Thailand.

Who would be a good firm to have a brokerage account with? specifically if I want to trade US options such as covered calls online from Thailand? I can use Fidelity from Bangkok, but will have to remit money back into the US.

From their website HSBC HK has an investment account, but it looks mainly for trading stocks only. In the US, I can open an account with Fidelity.

If I work in Thailand and get paid there and park my money in HK or Sing, I would like to buy US stock and try to sell some covered calls. (US stocks because I am familiar with Microsoft and Yahoo and such, but nothing to limit me to the US market, just I don't know anything about Europe or HK or China or Thailand...)

Thanks,

fly

PS. I found interactivebrokers.com, will take a look to see what they offerGo with Schwab and remit your money back to States if you can meet the US$25K minimum (doesn't have to be maintained at this level though). They offer most stocks and stock options listed on the various US exchanges as well as a good selection of CDs, bonds, and money market funds.commissions are not the lowest of all US brokers but low enough and you can more than make up for this from other advantages (higher rates on flexible money market funds and lower margin rate charges). Also, the debit card which rebates all ATM charges is a big plus. You can do everything online with them and get serviced over Skype whenever you need immediate customer service (they have an office in HK too).

If you want something more flexible and extensive and have to have your money in Asia, try Saxo Capital Markets out of Singapore. Most US and stocks and options are available or can be approximated with their CFDs and you get access to all other kinds of great stuff. Oil, gold, and silver spot products, dozens of currency pairs (largest selection of any currency broker), you can write or buy tailor made OTC currency options, trade futures, and get access to large amounts of low cost leverage whenever you want to utilise it. Carry trade interest rate differentials are also very competitive compared to other currency brokers. This capital market provider is a subsidiary of Saxo Bank based in Denmark and your assets are segregated from the firm's liabilities as required by Singapore law. You can fund it in one of 15 currencies (Thai Baht is not one of them though) and switch among them as you like. Online service is great with a real time chat function.

Interactive Brokers is great (lowest currency pair spreads I've ever seen) and the product lines are very extensive (all types of listed options, futures, stocks, etc). But, its really geared for hedge funds and institutions (around 90% of their business I believe) even though they are willing to open retail accounts. Their online platforms are extremely cumbersome and not at all user friendly. You will not even get an accurate reading of your single transaction P&L since they assume that most customers attach the Interactive software to their own in-house systems which monitor these things. And forget about customer service. They are not well equipped to deal with non-sophisticated retail investor type issues.

I've used both Saxo and Schwab on extended trips to Thailand and the internet connections I've had there support these online platforms just fine.

[M P Lurker]

A close friend (Thai) has been taken to police station after someone has set her/him up with drugs in the room (or maybe not setup), and beaten and forced to sign a confession.

Fortunately its not my GF but someone close to her.

What is the best approach to this to avoid being sent to prison? I presume it is costly.
Doea bribing have to occur before court cases?

This is no joke :(

[Taiwan Laowai]

That's heavy. If you're smart, you won't go near this.

I like reading real life prison cases and have read several that involve farangs in Thai jails. I've also read "Confessions of a Bangkok Private Eye". From information gleaned within, it seems like the only window your friend might have at a bribe is the short period during which the investigating officer is still handling the case. In the private eye book, the author was arrested for auto theft (due to an honest misunderstanding) and after a few days in a detention cell, was offered the chance to buy his way out (basically have the paperwork amended to something negligible before it was sent out to the court system). If I remember right, he paid 40, 000 Baht.

But for a drugs charge, I highly doubt its that simple or that anything material can be done to assist. If you really must help her, you can go online to get a list of Bangkok attornies from the US Embassy website, shortlist it to the ones who handle narcotics cases, and pay for half an hour of consulting with the one of your choice. Perhaps the system is more flexible for Thai nationals with means than it is for the farang prisoners I've read about?

When I hear about cases like this, I am reminded how important it is in Thailand to avoid making enemies or having conflicts of interest with anybody.







A close friend (Thai) has been taken to police station after someone has set her/him up with drugs in the room (or maybe not setup), and beaten and forced to sign a confession.

Fortunately its not my GF but someone close to her.

What is the best approach to this to avoid being sent to prison? I presume it is costly.
Doea bribing have to occur before court cases?

This is no joke :(

[Flyhere]

Thanks, Taiwan Laowai, for the info. I already have Fidelity in the US which I can do everything I need. This is just an idea to park some different money in Asia. Will look into Saxo.

Just looked at Saxo, they don't appear to offer US stock options. Thanks for the info though.

[Retired Army]

A close friend (Thai) has been taken to police station after someone has set her/him up with drugs in the room (or maybe not setup), and beaten and forced to sign a confession.

Fortunately its not my GF but someone close to her.

What is the best approach to this to avoid being sent to prison? I presume it is costly.
Doea bribing have to occur before court cases?

This is no joke :(

Get a Thai lawyer...

[Opebo]

An instructor at a mediocre institution who has not made tenure or isn't even on tenure track might make 45k. But that's definitely at the very low end.

That is also the great majority of university level instructors. Surely we can agree that elite institutions are by definition a rarity, and that the vast bulk of American educational institutions are mediocre at best. Most people I know who teach college courses only get paid per class, and have to have a day job as well to get by. They would dream of a regular position making $45K.

[Retired Army]

A mediocre University in Bangkok is looking for Native English speakers for a conversation class on Sat and Sunday. Four hours each day and the pay is $20 per hour. Now, I am sure that is in Baht equivelent because they aren't going to give you U$D. A TESOL certificate is desired, but not necessary. If you are interested you can PM me.

[Old Thai Hand]

That is also the great majority of university level instructors. Surely we can agree that elite institutions are by definition a rarity, and that the vast bulk of American educational institutions are mediocre at best. Most people I know who teach college courses only get paid per class, and have to have a day job as well to get by. They would dream of a regular position making $45K.

For once I have to actually agree with Opebo. The salary chart published by Redfield10 is misleading as it only talks about those working full-time. The vast majority of college and university level lecturers in the States are adjunct and are paid by the hour, or by the course and the rates vary wildly (anywhere from $35/hr - $60/hr or $2500-5000/course). The rates aren't that great, considering cost of living and above all, taxes. I remember that when I first taught adjunct at a first-tier college in Chicago back in 1987, I made less than I had made as a grad TA, 6 years earlier in Canada.

A full-time salary of say, $80,000/year might look good on paper. But, you're take-home from that might be only a little more than $50,000 after State and Federal taxes.

To bring this back to something relevant in Thailand (and to this forum), University salaries here for Farang faculty, while certainly not at a US level, still even out somewhat, when you factor in taxes and cost of living. I'm certainly not the highest paid foreign lecturer here, and, as well, I'm taking a load reduction in the Fall because of health reasons, and still my take-home will be about $43,000 US. I realize this is a pittance compared to the high incomes of Farang (like NicFrenchy and Retired Army) working in the private sector in BKK. But, it's still a respectable salary for Thailand, especially for a teacher. I must stress though, that I'm talking about teaching subjects other than English. Salaries for teaching English are generally crap...but they're crap anywhere.

I currently have a visiting lecturer for the summer who teaches adjunct at the U. of Wisconsin. She was amazed at the part-time rate here and said that if she didn't already have a committment to go back for the Fall, would consider staying here, as the part-time rate in Thailand was comparable to what she'd be making at UW and the added advantage, besides cost of living is she wouldn't have to pay taxes on it.

[Flyhere]

...and the added advantage, besides cost of living is she wouldn't have to pay taxes on it.

How is it that she would not have to pay taxes on it? I have been discussing a project in Bangkok and was told that my pay will have 30% Thai personal tax withholding.

[Old Thai Hand]

How is it that she would not have to pay taxes on it? I have been discussing a project in Bangkok and was told that my pay will have 30% Thai personal tax withholding.

1/ because it's in cash

2/ her name is not on the books other than in a general reference as "part-time" visiting lecturer ("visiting" being the operative word)

3/ it's a government university and certain types of teaching fees are tax exempt


BTW, my "official" teaching salary is only 56,000/month and I pay taxes on that, only. Anything above that (70,000+ at the moment) is tax exempt including overload teaching money which comes from a special govt. consultancy fund (ya, I know "smoke and mirrors") :)

Hey, TIT

[Flyhere]

...Hey, TIT

I see...hmm...I must see how I can get on this TIT program.

[Old Thai Hand]

I see...hmm...I must see how I can get on this TIT program.

One thing I've recently discovered as a newly created quasi Thai govt. employee is...it's no wonder Thais allegedly earning only 25,000/mo still manage somehow to drive a Mercedes S. The amount of under the table money, "special funds" and other wads of cash freely available without anyone to answer for it is staggering.

For example...In my little chunk of the pie, I'm given a hand-written chit every month for various "above and beyond" expenses, which I then hand into a certain hole-in-the-wall "bank" for a stack o'cash. There seems to be very little paper trail, certainly nothing directly tied to me. I have only begun to tap into this. There are grants, development funds, educational funds, research funds...you name it and all non-taxable. One can only imagine how connected, in-the-loop Thais are benefiting from this perpetual wind-fall of unaccounted-for moola.

[PinkPearl]

Thailand is full of pathetic people and nobody has the lock on which group is the most pathetic.Certainly some board members here are in the running for the Lotto 649

34 million $ CAD sweepstakes. LOL!

[Zap2003]

Hello everybody,

After browsing this thread for days I still can not figure out what I want.

So how much does one needs monthly to live like a king in BKK or Pattaya?

I know that "live like a king" expresion means different thing for everybody?

I will head for Thailand soon for a five month trip and my budget will be 12 thousand USD per month.

What can I expect for this kind of money?

Any response will be highly appreciated

Happy hunting

[Old Thai Hand]

Hello everybody,

After browsing this thread for days I still can not figure out what I want.

So how much does one needs monthly to live like a king in BKK or Pattaya?

I know that "live like a king" expresion means different thing for everybody?

I will head for Thailand soon for a five month trip and my budget will be 12 thousand USD per month.

What can I expect for this kind of money?

Any response will be highly appreciated

Happy hunting

I'm not sure.

Personally, I don't think I could manage on $12,000US (408,000 baht)/month and I don't even monger that much. But, if you're really careful, I think you can just about manage to have a reasonable time with that amount. Bangkok is quite expensive. So, just to make that 12 grand go a little further, I'd suggest spending most of your time in Pattaya.


Enjoy. ;)

[Redfield10]

It's a ridiculous statement to say you can't live well on 12,000 usd a month in thailand.

You can live very well in american on 12,000 a month or 144,000 a year. In fact well less than 5% of the population makes that much (per person).


I'm not sure.

Personally, I don't think I could manage on $12,000US (408,000 baht)/month and I don't even monger that much. But, if you're really careful, I think you can just about manage to have a reasonable time with that amount. Bangkok is quite expensive. So, just to make that 12 grand go a little further, I'd suggest spending most of your time in Pattaya.


Enjoy. ;)

[M P Lurker]

Hello everybody,

After browsing this thread for days I still can not figure out what I want.

So how much does one needs monthly to live like a king in BKK or Pattaya?

I know that "live like a king" expresion means different thing for everybody?

I will head for Thailand soon for a five month trip and my budget will be 12 thousand USD per month.

What can I expect for this kind of money?

Any response will be highly appreciated

Happy hunting
You could manage in BKK but it wouldn't be living like a king. Some guys survive on much less, but not me. But then I am staying for short periods.

Start in Pattaya for a bit and see if you are managing to be well under budget. If so, then try BKK which will be much more expensive.

After that decide which you prefer for that amount to spend.

[Retired Army]

Hello everybody,

After browsing this thread for days I still can not figure out what I want.

So how much does one needs monthly to live like a king in BKK or Pattaya?

I know that "live like a king" expresion means different thing for everybody?

I will head for Thailand soon for a five month trip and my budget will be 12 thousand USD per month.

What can I expect for this kind of money?

Any response will be highly appreciated

Happy hunting

I think you can do quite well on $12K a month if you don't go broke trying to save money.

[Daddy07]

...So how much does one needs monthly to live like a king in BKK or Pattaya? ... my budget will be 12 thousand USD per month.


Don't listen to those jealous guys!

For that kind of dough you can live in Thailand like the Biblical king Solomon entertaining the queen of Sheba.

Some punters on this board are living here on less than 1K USD/mo.

Send us a report of your fabulous adventures.

Regards,
Daddy

[M P Lurker]

Some punters on this board are living here on less than 1K USD/mo.

LOL. Of course some of us are jealous of having that much ready to blow away. But he might get bored after 1 month.

US$1K/month sounds tough. That person would probably be better off in Phnom Phen Cambodia or even Tanzania.

[Old Thai Hand]

US$1K/month sounds tough. That person would probably be better off in Phnom Phen Cambodia or even Tanzania.

"THAT PERSON" is Opebo. :D

[NicFrenchy]

408,000 thb per month?

Forget it mate, unless you rent a crappy bunk in Khao san road and only monger in Opebo's areas, you're fucked. You either need to triple that budget or stay home.

On a more serious note.. have you read anything on this forum?
I know guys that live VERY comfortably with 25% of that amount.

100,000 is sufficient to live well
200,000 you can live very well
400,000? you'll live like a king for sure.

[Retired Army]

408,000 thb per month?

Forget it mate, unless you rent a crappy bunk in Khao san road and only monger in Opebo's areas, you're fucked. You either need to triple that budget or stay home.

On a more serious note.. have you read anything on this forum?
I know guys that live VERY comfortably with 25% of that amount.

100,000 is sufficient to live well
200,000 you can live very well
400,000? you'll live like a king for sure.

I was pulling in about 300,000 a month in BKK and found that the more I made the more I spent because everything was so cheap I over indulged. Now I have a bunch of antique Chinese furniture I have no use for and a bunch of mia nois to take care of.

[Giotto]

... Now I have a bunch of antique Chinese furniture I have no use for and a bunch of mia nois to take care of.Retired Army,

LOL,

Keep the furniture - but I could take over the mia nois :) .


Giotto

[Retired Army]

Retired Army,

LOL,

Keep the furniture - but I could take over the mia nois :) .


Giotto

You can have them. I will send them by your place perhaps you can put their lazy asses to work.

[Zap2003]

Guys,

Thank you so much for your answers, especially Daddy07, Mick licker and Retired Army.

Daddy07,

Thank you for your reply .I laughed when i read it.

I look forward to add my own contribution to the forum as I found so much valuable information.

Nickrenchy

I did read the forum but "Living in Thailand" thread can be very confusing.Some mongers seem to do very fine on 3k USD per month while others seem to spend amounts that would be enough to live very well in London New york or PAris so I wanted to make clear.

Retired Army

You are funny man.

Thank you for your answers guys and I look forward to write my first Thailand monger report.

Happy hunting

[Daddy San]

Hi there,

I'll be travelling in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos this January and February and intend to take my TGF along.
She is a great companion, invaluable as a guide, interpreter and negotiator and of course takes care of all my nighttime and other needs.

My questions to you:

1. Do Thai nationals need a passport (in lieu of a Thai ID Card) to travel to Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos?
2. Do Thai nationals need a visa to travel to Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos?
3. What is the cost of a Thai passport and how long does it take to get one?
4. Will her Thai be much help, i.e. any more help than my English/French, in Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos?

Thank for your info.

[Opebo]

US$1K/month sounds tough. That person would probably be better off in Phnom Phen Cambodia or even Tanzania.


"THAT PERSON" is Opebo. :D

In fact of course, I make more like $1,200/month, and more importantly often recieve money from the family at home. But it is certainly true that the great majority of farang residents working as teachers in Thailand live on around $1,000-1,200/month.

I agree it isn't enough with prices spiralling out of control - in fact I'm a bit broke right now. But what can one do about it? Nothing.

As for the fellow asking if he can live on $12,000/month, perhaps he's joking.

[LittleBigMan]

Zap2003,

In my opinion it comes down to your accommodations first, how you want to eat and how much you want to f--k and how you want to f--k.

I have a small house and car that is paid off clear and free and that was my plan before I retired in Thailand. I get no pension and support my wife and son and her nephew and I had originally plan on $1,000 U.S. a month when the baht was 40 to 1 USD. But at current rate as they are now and when it was as low as 31 to 1, budget each month was nearly 1500.00 USD. My expenses were somewhat like this..........

20,000 baht for my wive right off the top, in which she took to the bank and deposited 10,000 baht, the other 10,000 baht was for general expenses for the family so that she wouldn't have to always ask me for money.

4,000 on a average to go to Foodland, Carrefour, Tesco, for groceries and general supplies for the house.

4,000 on a average for gas for the car and 2 motorcycles
2,000 for daily school expenses and extra tutoring each day and Saturdays.

4,000 baht for all utilities, electric, water, cable, internet etc..

3,000 4,000 for personal, cheating, butterflying expenses on the side.

3,000 to take the family out twice a week for dinner general entertainment fr the family.

With all my obligations I live a pretty comfortable life on this budget.

I have a friend that is retired in Pattaya that rents a room with a pool on the other side of Sukhumvit in Pattaya for 8,000 which include everything. F--ks 5 times a day, has orgy's with 2 girls once a week, and overpays for everything and eats like a king! MK, BBQ Plaza, Fugi, you name it! and his budget is 3,000 USD and he still washes his own underwear and hangs it outside the balconey for everyone to see. Zap, on your budget you might just be the King!

You can do it for alot less, and still pay me for my great advice!

LBM

[Old Thai Hand]

Hi there,

I'll be travelling in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos this January and February and intend to take my TGF along.
She is a great companion, invaluable as a guide, interpreter and negotiator and of course takes care of all my nighttime and other needs.

My questions to you:

1. Do Thai nationals need a passport (in lieu of a Thai ID Card) to travel to Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos?
2. Do Thai nationals need a visa to travel to Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos?
3. What is the cost of a Thai passport and how long does it take to get one?
4. Will her Thai be much help, i.e. any more help than my English/French, in Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos?
Thank for your info.

1/ Yes
2/ No, except, I think Vietnam. I took my GF there once and I seem to remember that she needed a visa. But, if Vietnam is part of ASEAN, then, no she doesn't.
3/ I don't know the current cost (used to be around 1,000 baht). it takes about 1 week
4/ None, except possibly a bit in Laos because they watch Thai TV and there are some similarities in the language.

Where does your TGF come from? If she's from Isaan, then she can speak Lao, anyway, unless she comes from Buriram or Surin, where the majority speak Khmer, which would mean she'd be able to manage in Cambodia.

[Zap2003]

LITTLE BIG MAN

Thank you for taking the time to answer me.As I explained I was a little confused about the posts in "LIving in Thailand " thread.Since everybody tells mes the same thing all I have to do now is to count the days that are left until I reach LOS .I don't know if you are living Bangkok or Pattaya but we can have a beer if you want to.

OPEBO

I wasn't joking at all man.I am form eastern europe where everybody says is so cheap but actually is not cheap at all so I wanted to make sure.


Happy hunting guys.

[Daddy San]

1/ Yes
2/ No, except, I think Vietnam. I took my GF there once and I seem to remember that she needed a visa. But, if Vietnam is part of ASEAN, then, no she doesn't.
3/ I don't know the current cost (used to be around 1,000 baht). it takes about 1 week
4/ None, except possibly a bit in Laos because they watch Thai TV and there are some similarities in the language.

Where does your TGF come from? If she's from Isaan, then she can speak Lao, anyway, unless she comes from Buriram or Surin, where the majority speak Khmer, which would mean she'd be able to manage in Cambodia.
Hi OTH,

that's exactly how information should be, to the point and complete!
Thank you.
My TGF comes from near HatYai. So it's unlikely that she speaks Lao or Khmer.

[Daddy San]

I too was considering retiring to LOS and did some research on the topic.

As LittleBigMan clearly shows, one can live very comfortably on $3000 p.m. although possibly not in a condo in BKK, which would not have been a problem for me.
BUT:
The one item missing on LBM's list is medical insurance in LOS, which (european) state or private health plans do not cover.
Depending on your age, you could pay as much again in premiums, if they take you at all!!
Do your homework, google!

[LittleBigMan]

Daddy San,

I have done alot of research on Medical insurance in Thailand, particularly in the Pattaya area. I spend my free time sometimes just visiting the local hospital to see the facilities. All medical policies pricing are based on age and some depending on the coverage being offered requires a medical examine. From my personal experience I think we older farangs are being discriminated due to our age! I'm in very good shape and prior to my retirement visited the doctors annually for my checkup I do everything suggested when it comes to prevention. I applied for a AIA, insurance policy ( This is a American company ) biggest company in Thailand, and they require a physical! because they provide you with a 300,000 baht insurance coverage in their plans. They refused me after the physical with no explaination even after I wrote to the head office in Bangkok! The doctor that examine me said I was very fit for my age. There is nothing wrong with me but they wouldn't cover me!

Unlike in the U.S. medical coverage doesn't cover everything. Some policies you must purchase another policy for accidents and all that I researched doesn't cover doctors visits. Medical coverage is for overnight stay only. In my own research I have come away with alot of reservations as to whether a medical policy like 1 million baht is really going to take care of me if I come down with something like cancer, heart transplant, etc.... and I have alot of reservations as to what is being recommended at times by some of these hospital and the manner in which diagnoses are being explained. In the end in my research Blue Cross or Buppa as it is called in Thailand seem to be the best if you purchase the Platium policy. Age 56-60 you pay something like 45,000 baht. Second, Bangkok Bank also offer's something similiar around the same cost. Some will take you after 60 and some won't but if they do you are going to pay a price. And like in the western world even if they cover you when you get sick expect them to refuse coverage when you get really sick. There is no consumer rights in Thailand that is worth mentioning and by the time you do win you will be dead anyways.

For those of you that are retired and have medical coverage from your former employer consider yourself very lucky!

Zap2003, I live in that sewage that OTH, calls Pattaya

LBM

[Opebo]

OPEBO

I wasn't joking at all man.I am form eastern europe where everybody says is so cheap but actually is not cheap at all so I wanted to make sure.

Well, keep in mind that large numbers of English and Europeans come to Thailand every year, and even still a few Americans. The kind of person who would have $12,000/month to spend for holiday-making is a great rarity in any country, so it can't be that expensive. The normal income for better-off workers in any of our homelands is in the $40,000-60,000/year range before taxes, so any mass tourism destination must fit that budget... otherwise they'd never fill the hotels or pussies.

[Bumholes1]

The normal income for better-off workers in any of our homelands is in the $40,000-60,000/year range before taxes, so any mass tourism destination must fit that budget... otherwise they'd never fill the hotels or pussies.

That's correct and for those on less than the figures you mention, or living here on an even smaller pension, find it necessary to fill cheaper pussies than either the average pussy, or the very expensive ones provided by Giotto

[Daddy07]

I want to look for a condo to buy or rent, but do not want to rely on a typical real-estate agency loyal to the sellers paying their huge commissions. I have heard that there are so-called “buyers agents” who speak Thai and will work for a flat fee to find the best situation available to suit the client’s needs. They apparently know just about everything available on the market – not just the properties listed with them. I’m told that most properties are actually unlisted so it is just a matter of finding them.

Does anyone know of such an agent or how to go about finding one?

[NicFrenchy]

They apparently know just about everything available on the market – not just the properties listed with them. I’m told that most properties are actually unlisted so it is just a matter of finding them.

Does anyone know of such an agent or how to go about finding one?

Well, I was looking for a new Office for my job and met this cutie from CBRE Agency, she took me around to visit the lots she had but none did meet my requirements. Of course, during the course of the day, I bought her (and her driver) food and drinks, well she connected me to a friend who had plenty of offices available (I actually rented from that guy). All was without the CBRE company knowing.

I am not sure what the guy paid the lady from CBRE for the Finder's fee but I got a cheap price and good Location. Win-Win-Win (well, except for CBRE).

[NicFrenchy]

So who thinks it's still a good idea to retire here? LOL

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1043623/British-man-murdered-family-Thai-bride-predicted-violent-death.html

[Old Thai Hand]

So who thinks it's still a good idea to retire here? LOL

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1043623/British-man-murdered-family-Thai-bride-predicted-violent-death.html

Well, look where the guy was living and who he married. It was a recipe for disaster from the beginning.

[1Ball]

Well, I was looking for a new Office for my job and met this cutie from CBRE Agency, she took me around to visit the lots she had but none did meet my requirements. Of course, during the course of the day, I bought her (and her driver) food and drinks, well she connected me to a friend who had plenty of offices available (I actually rented from that guy). All was without the CBRE company knowing.

I am not sure what the guy paid the lady from CBRE for the Finder's fee but I got a cheap price and good Location. Win-Win-Win (well, except for CBRE).
Good deal for you Frenchy, though disappointing story. I kept hoping you were going to tell us you banged the realtor.

[Daddy07]

I’ve lived in the LOS for a total of 10 ½ months now, and have noticed that there has not been a single day of bad weather here in all that time. Of course, there has been a fair amount of rain, but it never gets beyond a gentle downpour, and no strong winds, even here in Pattaya by the sea.

This is all in stark contrast with the USA, where the weather can kill you. We have hurricanes, tornados, violent electrical wind and rain storms, earthquakes, massive floods, forest fires, extremely hot and humid summers, and freezing cold winters with tons of ice and snow, as a matter of course.

I didn’t realize that Thailand is so tame.

[Seydlitz]

Well, look where the guy was living and who he married. It was a recipe for disaster from the beginning.

Horrible, but very predictable.

The other story is even worse:

"Three years ago Briton Toby Charnaud, a gentleman farmer aged 42, was beaten to death, barbecued and his body fed to the tigers in Kaeng Krajan national park in Thailand after he divorced his Thai wife and removed her from his will. She was later charged and convicted with other relatives."

There is also a lot of stupidity by the Thai felon wife etc. How can they hope to get away with blatant murder like that ?

[Old Thai Hand]

I’ve lived in the LOS for a total of 10 ½ months now, and have noticed that there has not been a single day of bad weather here in all that time. Of course, there has been a fair amount of rain, but it never gets beyond a gentle downpour, and no strong winds, even here in Pattaya by the sea.

This is all in stark contrast with the USA, where the weather can kill you. We have hurricanes, tornados, violent electrical wind and rain storms, earthquakes, massive floods, forest fires, extremely hot and humid summers, and freezing cold winters with tons of ice and snow, as a matter of course.

I didn’t realize that Thailand is so tame.

a gentle downpour? Gawd! You obviously haven't been here long enough to experience one of those famous Thai floods, not to mention rain so heavy it actually hurts when it hits you. We had a "gentle downpour" last week with winds so strong, it blew the roof off the shack below my condo and blew out the transformer at the corner. There's nothing more exciting than watching sparks arcing across the wet street and downed power lines bouncing around, as people try to get out of the way. This is a fairly routine occurence this time of year in Bangers. I don't know how many transformers I've seen explode in this way over the years.

I remember a particularly bad flood about 10 years ago where Ramkhamhaeng Road was so flooded that the water was crotch deep. The buses couldn't even get up the road. What was normally a 15 minute trip home, took me over 90 minutes. Walking in flood water that deep is bad enough. But, given that Ram was under construction because of the upcoming SEA Games and the new flyover going up, it was downright treacherous. 4 people died that night. One guy was electrocuted by a downed power line (you know those ones that, at the best of times are at neck-level in some places in BKK) and 3 others dropped down an open man-hole and drowned.

In the winter of 1999, people were dying up on Doi Inthanon in Chiang Mai because the temperatures plunged to -3. I was in CM then and remember the dayly highs barely got up to 12 degree Celcius in town. There wasn't anywhere to get warm. I nearly died from the cold.

You need to stay here for awhile longer and in a variety of places in the country before you can really experience the full range of weather in LOS.

[Daddy07]

...You need to stay here for awhile longer and in a variety of places in the country before you can really experience the full range of weather in LOS.
Yeah, I didn't mean to include all of Thailand as I know there are high altitude areas where the weather can get cold. OK, we've had a few heavy downpours here in Pattaya, but not accompanied by heavy winds, so they seem gentle compared to thunder storms in the USA.

I'm aware that there is periodic flooding here, but it's nothing like the great Mississippi floods or the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina, for example. I'm also aware that Phuket experienced a Tsunami, but that was a freak occurance.

All things considered, if you can get used to the constant heat, the tropical parts of the country, including Pattaya, seem to be a safe and pleasant place to live weatherwise.

[Old Thai Hand]

Sorry to hear about your situation, there was nothing personal in my post and I apologize if it came out wrong.

But, extrapolating your personal situation to then make generalizations is stretching it, IMHO.

I will refrain from further comment and again, sorry mate ;)

My so-called "generalizations" are not merely as a result of my current personal situation, but are a result of 12 years of up-close interaction with these fucking people.

[Terry Terrier]

OTH,

T1234 plays golf and slaps people on the back for a living. Trying to explain your situation to him is like shouting into a wind tunnel. IMO the best place for you (if an opportunity is available) is Dubai. The only complication of moving there is, if you take your gf you will have to marry her.

[LittleBigMan]

OTH,

In the short time that I have been here I feel your frustration but unlike you you have the choice of picking up and leaving more so that me. Regardless of my frustration I must learn to meet a balance since I have no plans ever to bring my wife or son to live in the U.S. even if there is political unrest in Thailand. Personally it could never get so bad politically ( even if it is a military state ) that I woud leave Thailand.

I can't disclosed the location for shelfish reasons but for me personally when I get to the point where I want to kill someone in Pattaya, I make a call for that 2 hours of great oil massage with a happy ending. Right now that's what keeping LBM from killing someone or having road rage! My recommendation is you need a break from all those hi-so people you been hanging around with. That would make anyone uptight! You might want to give Daddy07, a call in Pattaya to loosen yourself up.

LBM

[Opebo]

...Personally it could never get so bad politically ( even if it is a military state ) that I woud leave Thailand.

Generally speaking we farangs fare much better under military or military-backed regimes. Democracy is what does us in - anything that reflects the will of the majority in a country where the common people dislike us and blame us for all ills can't be good.

[LittleBigMan]

o****,

i look so much like thai, if i downdress my wardrobe and grew my hair out alittle i would blend right in with the rest. they would never find me if they were after farangs.

lbm

[Opebo]

i look so much like thai, if i downdress my wardrobe and grew my hair out alittle i would blend right in with the rest. they would never find me if they were after farangs.

congratulations on looking like that, and by the way it is opebo, not o****, but i don't think they'll ever be 'after' farangs. i just mean they'll make life more and more difficult for us, and make long-stay almost impossible.

[DirkDingy]

I am residing in Ekamai and just woke up from Model's Night at Bed Supper Club and after hours at Gazebo and only now found out from CNN that Thais wanna depose their leader and storm the capital building.

Talk about being out of it.

Who wants to hit Qbar tonight?

[Asheron]

Can Anyone Recommend A Good Dentist in Bangkok?



Also is Bangkok.com a good website to book tours? or should I only book tours when I arrive in Thailand?

Thanks for advice

[Warbucks]

Can Anyone Recommend A Good Dentist in Bangkok?



Also is Bangkok.com a good website to book tours? or should I only book tours when I arrive in Thailand?

Thanks for advice

Very professional. Sort of expensive I have been going there since 06'. Just Yahoo the name.

[Flyhere]

Also is Bangkok.com a good website to book tours? or should I only book tours when I arrive in Thailand?...

I think it depends on how much time you have. Almost all hotels will have a tour desk or brochures with prices. I would go this route for convenience.

There are travel agencies around town, may be near your hotel, selling tours also.

If you have more time, look at bangkok.com for the tour name, then searching the internet and book with the tour operators directly can save money.

In any case, I would suggest you choose and book when you get here.

[Traveler1234]

Can Anyone Recommend A Good Dentist in Bangkok?

Thanks for advice

Bumingrad Hospital off Sukhumvit, near Nana. My crown popped out on flight from HK to Bkk, went over to outpatient dental clinic and they did a great job cleaning, sealing it back on - under B1000.

[LittleBigMan]

Since we are talking about dental work. I'm still looking for a good dentist in Pattaya?

Although, there are many and I have been to several the last few years to check them out I haven't found one that I really like or trust to do more work than just cleaning. The one's that I have visited to clean do no more than that! There are no xrays, no preventive measures, and no examination to tell you of any potential problems in the future. Some have lousy techniques when it comes to cleaning so I'm relundant for them to do more work. Some are good but I can't understand enough of their English to make out what I really need. Some, the price is right but still I have questions concerning procedures like root canals or replacing fillings and crowns.

I have been to a few independents one's along with Pattaya Memorial, Bangkok/Pattaya and have come away with the same feeling. When it comes to explaining things in English the Dentist on Soi 5 has been on the top of my list but his cleaning technique was rough. I was jumping off the seat and there was very little to clean because I take pretty good care of my choppers. Like most of us old guys are gums are reseeding so our gums are sensitive. Nearly every Dentist I have tried, no more than 15minutes and I'm out the door. Including Bangkok/Pattaya which charge me 1300 baht to clean and just a hello and goodbye. Nice place, but I can get the same for 500 baht.

Being on a budget and I know you get what you pay for but I'm looking for the best bang for your buck! Concerning root canals and crowns I have been quoted 4,000 baht by a local Dentist that works at the Pattaya Memorial Hospital but has her own practice in the evening and Bangkok/Pattaya quoted me between 13,000/15,000.

Anyone have any idea's?

Thanks, LBM

[Dinghy]

There's one I use soi 5 between Beach and second - from intersection of 2nd and soi 5 go about 100m toward beach - on the left sign at the corner with a big picture of a tooth..

ABD ?? ABM?? whatever the name is - staff speaks good English been using him now for 6 years. I think freeler sent me to him in the first place

[Retired Army]

Who wants to hit Qbar tonight?

No way! Been once ain't going again.

Much rather go to Angel's in the basement of the Nana Hotel.

[Betong]

Including Bangkok/Pattaya which charge me 1300 baht to clean and just a hello and goodbye.
I don't think any medical facility in Thailand works harder to separate farang from their baht. I'd recommend Queen Sirikit Hospital in Sattahip.

[Freeler]

LBM, Dinghy,

The dentist goes by the name of Dr. Apichai Kitsadayurat and his clinic is called APC Dental Clinic. It is where Dinghy said it is.
If I ever would recommend going to someone who sticks needles in you and then rips out parts, it would be him.

[Higgins T]

I wonder, how much money do you need a month to live in Thailand ? 1. In Bangkok and 2. somewhere, not in a major city, but close to the sea?

What is the cost of living without the girls, just renting a house, ride a motorcycle and travel around a little bit in the neighbouring countries?

[Old Thai Hand]

I wonder, how much money do you need a month to live in Thailand ? 1. In Bangkok and 2. somewhere, not in a major city, but close to the sea?

What is the cost of living without the girls, just renting a house, ride a motorcycle and travel around a little bit in the neighbouring countries?This has been discussed many times before. In any case, you need to be more specific about your plans, the places you want to go and the lifestyle you expect.

FYI, my monthly expenses for basics is 60,000 baht.

[Traveler1234]

Off topic but appreciate any feedback. A family friend's daughter has volunteered to teach for 6 months - much to her parents chagrin. She had surgery to insert rods in her back many years ago and never fully recovered...

Anyway, she's going to Wangdong, Amphoe Muang which is near city of Kanchanaburi. If I wanted to visit her, how long by car and what would taxi/car charge for roundtrip plus couple of hours wait time while we have lunch, etc. She mentioned her school is about half outside of K city and no internet. She'd have to bus into town to internet cafe. I assume she'll get mobile service in her school and village area?

Thanks,
T1234

[LittleBigMan]

Dinghy and Freeler,

Thanks, this was the guy I was using in the beginning English is good did me right a couple of times. I mentioned him on my report, his cleaning technique sucked I was jumping out of the chair and he didn't do any preventive and barely talked just cleaned (800 baht) 2 years ago. I think he quoted me something like 20,000 baht for a root canal. But when I return I'm going to go back to him and check again t make sure. If it's anywhere in the 10,000 baht for a crown or root canal and I can't find someone else I'll have him do the work.

Thanks,

[Titanio]

If I wanted to visit her, how long by car and what would taxi/car charge for roundtrip plus couple of hours wait time while we have lunch, etc.
Thanks,
T1234In February I was offered by a taxi driver to do the trip to Kanchanaburi for 1400 baht when he drove me to the Southern busstation in BKK. With raised petrol prices I expect that today you will be able to negociate down the offer to 1500 including the waiting time at lunch.

[Opebo]

I wonder, how much money do you need a month to live in Thailand ? 1. In Bangkok and 2. somewhere, not in a major city, but close to the sea?

What is the cost of living without the girls, just renting a house, ride a motorcycle and travel around a little bit in the neighbouring countries?

Why rent a house? Apartments are much cheaper and usually furnished. Lots of rooms in Pattaya still charge about 5,000 baht/month. Renting a moto is about 2,000-3,000 baht per month (wise to rent as ownership is a huge and complex pain in Thailand). Comestibles maybe 200-300 baht per day.

I'd say if you want to travel a little, but very cheaply, your total budget should be around 30,000-40,000 per month. That's $900-1,200/month. If you want to enjoy the whole reason for being here, however figure 500-1,000 baht per lay.. say another 15-30K baht per month.

Avoid Bangkok at all times - it isn't anywhere near a good deal anymore, and also is less fun than it used to be.

[Old Thai Hand]

Off topic but appreciate any feedback. A family friend's daughter has volunteered to teach for 6 months - much to her parents chagrin. She had surgery to insert rods in her back many years ago and never fully recovered...

Anyway, she's going to Wangdong, Amphoe Muang which is near city of Kanchanaburi. If I wanted to visit her, how long by car and what would taxi/car charge for roundtrip plus couple of hours wait time while we have lunch, etc. She mentioned her school is about half outside of K city and no internet. She'd have to bus into town to internet cafe. I assume she'll get mobile service in her school and village area?

Thanks,
T1234

I recently did an all day trip to K and back. It cost me 4,000 baht with Howa Taxi, who I always use for trips out of town. This included considerable driving around and stops in the surrounding countryside.

[Giotto]

...
Anyway, she's going to Wangdong, Amphoe Muang which is near city of Kanchanaburi. If I wanted to visit her, how long by car and what would taxi/car charge for roundtrip plus couple of hours wait time while we have lunch, etc. She mentioned her school is about half outside of K city and no internet. She'd have to bus into town to internet cafe. I assume she'll get mobile service in her school and village area?
...
Mr. M.D.,

From Bangkok it's about 2 hours with a car. If you rent a car for all day it should cost you around THB 2,500.00 - THB 3,000.00 (no sight-seeing, lunch included). Internet and mobile service should not be a problem.


Giotto

[Higgins T]

Thanks Old Thai Hand, thanks Opebo!

I thought of about € 1000,.- a month (= 50. 000 Baht) / without girls.

I am thinking of moving there in a few years. I am 40 years old right now, live in europe. I don't want to get married (my girlfriend does), my job is ok, but not to much perspective, so I make plans to escape. Maybe it is just the midlife crisis ! ? !

I would not want to live in a major citiy, maybe nearby, sea is important, I love a garden, so I would rent a house, and to move around, yes, maybe hire or buy a small motorbike.

I have a house in indonesia, I just visit it a few times a year, I am sick of the people there allways trying to take money from me (and suceeding many times.)Thats why I would prefer to rent EVERYTHING in Thailand (house, transportation, gf.) So in case I get sick of it all, I can move on.

[M P Lurker]

A Thai gik has asked me to join Hi-5 web club. Does anyone have any advice for me? Is this dangerous?

[NicFrenchy]

A Thai gik has asked me to join Hi-5 web club. Does anyone have any advice for me? Is this dangerous?

Very popular thai networking community... also how thai girls monitor (spy on) their friends and boyfriends. beware.

[M P Lurker]

Off topic but appreciate any feedback. A family friend's daughter has volunteered to teach for 6 months - much to her parents chagrin. She had surgery to insert rods in her back many years ago and never fully recovered...

Anyway, she's going to Wangdong, Amphoe Muang which is near city of Kanchanaburi. If I wanted to visit her, how long by car and what would taxi/car charge for roundtrip plus couple of hours wait time while we have lunch, etc. She mentioned her school is about half outside of K city and no internet. She'd have to bus into town to internet cafe. I assume she'll get mobile service in her school and village area?

Thanks,
T1234
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=d&saddr=Livingstones+Lodge+%4013.733971,100.567093&daddr=Wang+Dong,Kanchanaburi&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=54.23735,78.837891&ie=UTF8&ll=13.757362,100.545985&spn=0.058691,0.07699&z=14

Google Maps:
Driving directions to Wang Dong, Amphoe Muang Kanchanaburi, Changwat Kanchanaburi, Thailand
158 km – about 2 hours 39 mins
From:
Livingstones Lodge

I once went there from Southern Bus Terminal (Sai Tai), but wanted to return at night after a festival and last bus already gone. So had to hire a taxi in the end to send me back to BKK. Had to find someone who wanted to go and negotiate a price but can't remember how much.
Would have been better to hire vehicle/driver from the start.
Watched music videos of Coyote dance competition girls of way back.

Mick

[Traveler1234]

Thanks to OTH, G and ML for their help.

[Dinghy]

Mic - What you need is for one to ask you to join the "mile high" club. ;)

[M P Lurker]

mic - what you need is for one to ask you to join the "mile high" club. ;)
my airline fantasy doesn't involve sex in an airline toilet.
it involves hanky panky under an airline blanket. but for real fucking, sol sofa is about the most awkward i can cope with at my age.
i would consider it the "mile high" club if one of the best of the famous "singapore girls" would have a liason with me at ground level.

one long flight to europe, had two gorgeous singapore girls in my section and spent the whole flight peering down their blouses whenever they stooped to serve or pickup something.
i must have been very clumsy that flight.

[Dinghy]

Well-- if you could be in DENVER, you would always be in the "mile high club" :)

[PinkPearl]

Different banks, different rules. In case you have no work permit I figure it depends how much money you want to deposit. Let's say you offer THB 1 million, you will see banks moving. Banks are quite flexible in Thailand. Also note that each branch has it's own rules.

Give it a try with money in hand with a good story, a big smile, at multiple branches. Pretty sure you will get your account. Mind you interest sucks.

JBTo follow up on this subject from last year, this was helpful info, and I was able to open an account at a bank in Bangkok. In fact three separate banks have offered to give me an account. But this may be because I have a long stay tourist visa.

Most of those I approached asked if I had a working visa and two absolutely insisted I have it. These were the Siam Commercial and Siam City banks in the Ploenchit Center at Soi 2. But not all was shit, as I found success at the Krung Thai across the street. In this case, though, I could not earn interest or have an ATM card.

Good news was also found at the Kasikorn on Soi 3 near the Grace Hotel. This institute is also known as the Thai Farmers and offered a savings account for 500 baht, with an ATM available for 300 more. I don't know if these are yearly fees or if interest is given, and the person I spoke with did not understand my question about interest. So I said fuck this and left.

The Bank of Ayudhya located at Siam Paragon, second floor, was the third to offer me their services, but I have not yet followed up on the specific terms as to fees, cards and interest, if any.

All of these banks are amongst the very largest in Thailand. Of them the Krung Thai branch I visited was easily the most impressive as far as professionalism and monstrosity of size. Upon entering I was asked what currency of an account I wanted to open, then directed about the huge facility with decent English. I entered it on Soi 3 and when I excited was lost, though soon realized I was across the street from Soi 2 and a Big Mac on Sukhumvit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasikorn_Bank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Banks_of_Thailand

[Takamine1]

A Thai gik has asked me to join Hi-5 web club. Does anyone have any advice for me? Is this dangerous?

Dear Mick,
Hi5 isn't dangerous...it's an interesting way of meeting Thai ladies before visiting the country. Other websites Thais use are Tagged, WAYN and facebook. You can be a bit cunning and use these websites for various activities. I have and it's worked pretty well. All the websites I mentioned are absolutely free.
On the other hand one has to pay for websites such as Friendfinder.
Take a chance, be careful how to describe yourself and your job and try to find a variety of friends from different places. This way, you cloud up any issues that a Thai girl may have with you.
Good luck!
Taka
PS: I miss Tulip's sooooooo much. Have to wait till next year. Alas :-(

[Warbucks]

Any chance of that standoff with the government hitting the fan? I am due in Bangkok in 5 weeks.

[Giotto]

Any chance of that standoff with the government hitting the fan? I am due in Bangkok in 5 weeks.Daddy Warbucks 1,

There is nothing to be worried about. It is the normal [Thai] chaos.

My take on the future development is:

PM Samak is right now between a rock and a hard place - he wants to resolve the (illegal) occupation of government buildings with police force, but many powerful parties (democrats, judges, parts of the military, privy council members, senators, HMTK) want him to be "soft and gentle" with the demonstrants. There is no other democratic country in this world that would accept an illegal act like the occupation of public buildings by demonstrants, and everywhere the use of police force would be accepted by the public majority to solve the problem - but not so in Thailand.

PM Samak's way out is to implode - due to high blood pressure dealing with his own emotions he will most likely suffer a stroke or something like that soon. His problem started already 3 weeks ago, with an incident on Klong Toey market, when a team of journalists followed him to a public toilet (in which he disappeared for 30 min. or longer). When he found out that journalists were waiting outside he stormed away - not even buying the ingrediences for his planned cooking activities - what a shame!

Most likely the PAD will take over power then, not as a official party in the parliament, but as a kind of subversive underground government. Whenever something happens what the PAD doesn't like they will stage a demonstration, occupy a government building and errect public toilets there. Sooner or later Bangkok will change from the "City with 10000 temples" to the "City with 10000 public toilets". After a while then the parliament will amend the constitution (something PM Samak is not allowed to do to protect Mr. Thaksin from further legal investigations of his former corruption activities, but the PAD is of course allowed to do so, and all this is no contradiction at all) to implement Sondhi's political targets: appoint 70 % of the MPs (appoint by whom is not yet clear) and only elect 30 % of the MPs in public elections.

Besides all that we must understand that there are definitely reasons to stage this kind of demonstration, because this country is (obviously) not really ready for democracy. Vote buying is the common way of winning elections (I give you THB 500, you give me your vote!). Under this circumstances it of course makes sense to modify the election system a bit - and appoint 70 % of the MPs. Exchanging one bad system with another bad system - Thai logic. People supporting this ideology are called "intellectuals" here in Thailand. Long live brainlessness!!!

The military is busy with itself - one group obviously supports the PAD, another group are the old Thaksin fans. Now everybody wants to have a higher position with the next reshuffle - and for that you need good relations to the acting PM. Who cares about the country if he can care about his own career ? And then there is the time problem: The PPP supporting generals are watching the PAD supporting generals, whether somebody is planning to stage a coup! And of course - same the other way around. So - nobody really has the time to stage a coup. Better to support the demonstrants (on one side) and police (on the other side) on building new toilets in the conflict zone.

Some are waiting for HM The King of Thailand to give advice - but up to now it did not happen. Obviously he doesn't consider this to be a real crisis, being used to far worse situations. But some indications for where the the royal family stands are there - medical support for the demonstrators was organized by a princess. And the medical team knows - for the reasons of keeping public hygene up in this times of unrest - new toilets are urgently needed. That message was understood by the powerful people here in Bangkok.

Now I don't expect anybody to understand all this because I also don't understand what I just wrote. But all this is definitely not about politics - it is about the fact, that Bangkok needs more public toilets!

Besides all that there is nothing to be worried about. Everything is fine :) !!! We will have a lot of toilets in this city soon!


Giotto

PS: I just heard that the chief of the Metropolitan Police was transferred to an inactive post. My special knowlegable sources tell me that he is under investigation for not building enough public toilets in time...

[NicFrenchy]

Not really sure where to post this but yesterday I broke my “voyeur” cherry. I am very hesitant to share it here because I will surely get laughed at, but what the heck!

I was browsing camfrog (as usual) and went to a room in the Turkey Zone, not sure why but I was just curious and looking at the women. I was surprised to find quite a number of Thai ladies in the Turkish rooms and they were all (to a certain extent) showing skin.

This is the name of the room: 0X_YASEMEN01_VE_GUZEL_CIFTLER_MEKANI_X

I saw this girl masturbating on cam and sent her a message that I thought her pussy was better than mine (referring to my “non existent” cat), it made her curious enough to look at my cam and one thing leading to another, we got to talk via Private messenger.
The girl (Pu is her name) is a little plump (I mean fat but want to be nice) 23 years old from Bangkok, works in a bank and was on her day off at home, bored, browsing camfrog. She was shocked to learn that I worked in Bangkok and met her in a Turkish room but was glad that we could chat because all the other guys want to show her their dicks. She confessed that she was really jaded looking at dozens of dicks everyday and requests for pussy shows. We exchanged pleasantries in broken English, joked at a few things that Farangs do in Bangkok and she told me she has no boyfriend or even a gig. I asked her if it was ok to move to some kinky questions and she laughed, then agreed. The first question I asked her was the following: “if you have no boyfriend or gig, how do you take care when you are horny?” she sent me a “Red cheeks” smiley and told me that I was making her shy. I told her I was sorry and that I would go back to some more appropriate conversation but she told me that no, she liked it and we could continue. In answer to my question, she showed me a couple dildos. We then laughed about how she got them (present from a friend who is married to a Farang who brought the toys from Germany). I told her that dildos were good but fucking a guy was a totally different experience and she told me that she missed that greatly.

When I asked her if she ever fucked a guy on cam, she then asked me to answer her first and I said I have never done anything more than show my dick. She confessed having used her dildos many times on cam but that she actually never had sex on cam; in fact, she did not have sex with a guy in over a year (seeing how big the lady is, I can believe her). She then said that we (as in me and her) should try to do it on cam (but always added LOL at the end so I understood she was joking, except, she wasn’t).

She wrote her mobile number and her address, then said she was waiting for me to come see her now at her Ladphrao apartment. I messaged her to see if the number was real and it indeed was. What to do? Am I desperate enough to go and fuck this lady? Some people say “any hole’s a goal” but, I mean, she was really large (for my standards).
Curiosity took the best of me and I decided to leave work to see her in flesh. After all, the camera always make people seem a little bigger than they really are so better to go and check for myself (however the camera could not have added the extra 80 pounds this lady was showing LOL).
I wrote her that I was leaving now and would be in Ladphrao in approx 30 minutes, she was very surprised and also very excited but at least, she did not back down.

Being in Thailand, I was kind of expecting her to get cold feet, have a last minute change of heart and leave me there, alone in Ladphrao but that was a loss I was ready to accept: I have nothing to lose.

After a 40thb Taxi ride from the MRT station, I Arrived in front of her building and sent her an SMS to which she replied immediately with the apartment number, ok, I thought, it’s on!
I was a little excited at the idea of seeing what the lady really looked like but also somewhat scared or more like a guy going for his first job interview.

She opened the door and waied me (I waied back), ushered me in and invited me to sit on a sofa. Her whole place was not bigger than my bedroom, it had no kitchen and all was in the main room except for a toilet and the famous cold water shower hose.
Although small, her place was nicely decorated. Ok, enough with the bullshit talk, She offered me a drink (water, my choice) and sat beside me; we made some very basic conversation and I really began to feel at ease (was the water kicking in already? LOL). This lady, however big had a very cute face and a very nice voice so I thought “it might not be that painful to screw her after all”.

She told me I was even more handsome in real than on cam and that she was very happy and lucky that I come to see her, showing me her computer while she was starting camfrog. She sat down on the big chair (no pun intended) and went to the room where we met (where people know her I guess) and engaged into some chat with guys in the room, as it was all in English I could understand.
It ranged from the “Bid dick on cam”, “look my cam, dick show here”, “about to come over your tits” to “please show your tits”, “finger your pussy”, “I want to marry you” kind of posts and I had to laugh at the stupidity of some men in the room.
She then said that her boyfriend was here (I guess that was to be me) so she could not show unless he was ok with it; she turned to me and said she was scared and excited but she don’t know what she can do… I took charge and kissed her. She was very responsive and before you know it, we were making out with her sitting on the chair, me leaning on her and the perverts from the room cheering for some action.

She moved the cam to point to the bed and invited me to get a little more comfortable, I sat on the bed and she almost literally jumped me. We kissed and started to slowly get rid of our clothes. I took charge and started to make my way down very slowly to her (large) tits before going down to taste the pussy. Her pussy was already very wet, sticky and surprisingly very tight. I spent a long time eating her and she certainly sounded like she was enjoying it greatly. She gave me a very mediocre BJ (but at least she made the effort) and thank god I brought my own condoms because this lady would have impaled me bareback without even a second thought. When I took out the condoms she said that if I wanted to do without condoms it’s ok, but I told her that for safety reasons it is always better to be sure.

To cut a long story short, we had sex twice in front of the cam that day and I must say that the experience was very exciting. Would I do it again? Yes, probably but maybe not with her. As you probably have guessed, she keeps messaging me to go and see her, she is lonely, she loves me, she misses me etc, etc… The thing is, she is a very nice person, not comfortable with her body because Thai people always look down on her and laugh at her. She had a boyfriend about a year ago who was from UAE but he had to go back to his country and she did not want to follow him.
Not wanting to break her heart I told her that I had a girlfriend and that it would not be easy for me to do this often, she said she understood but that I could come see her whenever I wanted.

Attached is a picture from a Japanese Porn movie where the actress really looks like Miss Pu from Ladphrao.

I know this one is not a babe or a knockout, far from it but the whole experience was very exciting.

[Lover Boy #2]

Not really sure where to post this but yesterday I broke my “voyeur” cherry. I am very hesitant to share it here because I will surely get laughed at, but what the heck!

I was browsing camfrog (as usual) and went to a room in the Turkey Zone, not sure why but I was just curious and looking at the women. I was surprised to find quite a number of Thai ladies in the Turkish rooms and they were all (to a certain extent) showing skin.

This is the name of the room: 0X_YASEMEN01_VE_GUZEL_CIFTLER_MEKANI_X

I saw this girl masturbating on cam and sent her a message that I thought her pussy was better than mine (referring to my “non existent” cat), it made her curious enough to look at my cam and one thing leading to another, we got to talk via Private messenger.
The girl (Pu is her name) is a little plump (I mean fat but want to be nice) 23 years old from Bangkok, works in a bank and was on her day off at home, bored, browsing camfrog. She was shocked to learn that I worked in Bangkok and met her in a Turkish room but was glad that we could chat because all the other guys want to show her their dicks. She confessed that she was really jaded looking at dozens of dicks everyday and requests for pussy shows. We exchanged pleasantries in broken English, joked at a few things that Farangs do in Bangkok and she told me she has no boyfriend or even a gig. I asked her if it was ok to move to some kinky questions and she laughed, then agreed. The first question I asked her was the following: “if you have no boyfriend or gig, how do you take care when you are horny?” she sent me a “Red cheeks” smiley and told me that I was making her shy. I told her I was sorry and that I would go back to some more appropriate conversation but she told me that no, she liked it and we could continue. In answer to my question, she showed me a couple dildos. We then laughed about how she got them (present from a friend who is married to a Farang who brought the toys from Germany). I told her that dildos were good but fucking a guy was a totally different experience and she told me that she missed that greatly.

When I asked her if she ever fucked a guy on cam, she then asked me to answer her first and I said I have never done anything more than show my dick. She confessed having used her dildos many times on cam but that she actually never had sex on cam; in fact, she did not have sex with a guy in over a year (seeing how big the lady is, I can believe her). She then said that we (as in me and her) should try to do it on cam (but always added LOL at the end so I understood she was joking, except, she wasn’t).

She wrote her mobile number and her address, then said she was waiting for me to come see her now at her Ladphrao apartment. I messaged her to see if the number was real and it indeed was. What to do? Am I desperate enough to go and fuck this lady? Some people say “any hole’s a goal” but, I mean, she was really large (for my standards).
Curiosity took the best of me and I decided to leave work to see her in flesh. After all, the camera always make people seem a little bigger than they really are so better to go and check for myself (however the camera could not have added the extra 80 pounds this lady was showing LOL).
I wrote her that I was leaving now and would be in Ladphrao in approx 30 minutes, she was very surprised and also very excited but at least, she did not back down.

Being in Thailand, I was kind of expecting her to get cold feet, have a last minute change of heart and leave me there, alone in Ladphrao but that was a loss I was ready to accept: I have nothing to lose.

After a 40thb Taxi ride from the MRT station, I Arrived in front of her building and sent her an SMS to which she replied immediately with the apartment number, ok, I thought, it’s on!
I was a little excited at the idea of seeing what the lady really looked like but also somewhat scared or more like a guy going for his first job interview.

She opened the door and waied me (I waied back), ushered me in and invited me to sit on a sofa. Her whole place was not bigger than my bedroom, it had no kitchen and all was in the main room except for a toilet and the famous cold water shower hose.
Although small, her place was nicely decorated. Ok, enough with the bullshit talk, She offered me a drink (water, my choice) and sat beside me; we made some very basic conversation and I really began to feel at ease (was the water kicking in already? LOL). This lady, however big had a very cute face and a very nice voice so I thought “it might not be that painful to screw her after all”.

She told me I was even more handsome in real than on cam and that she was very happy and lucky that I come to see her, showing me her computer while she was starting camfrog. She sat down on the big chair (no pun intended) and went to the room where we met (where people know her I guess) and engaged into some chat with guys in the room, as it was all in English I could understand.
It ranged from the “Bid dick on cam”, “look my cam, dick show here”, “about to come over your tits” to “please show your tits”, “finger your pussy”, “I want to marry you” kind of posts and I had to laugh at the stupidity of some men in the room.
She then said that her boyfriend was here (I guess that was to be me) so she could not show unless he was ok with it; she turned to me and said she was scared and excited but she don’t know what she can do… I took charge and kissed her. She was very responsive and before you know it, we were making out with her sitting on the chair, me leaning on her and the perverts from the room cheering for some action.

She moved the cam to point to the bed and invited me to get a little more comfortable, I sat on the bed and she almost literally jumped me. We kissed and started to slowly get rid of our clothes. I took charge and started to make my way down very slowly to her (large) tits before going down to taste the pussy. Her pussy was already very wet, sticky and surprisingly very tight. I spent a long time eating her and she certainly sounded like she was enjoying it greatly. She gave me a very mediocre BJ (but at least she made the effort) and thank god I brought my own condoms because this lady would have impaled me bareback without even a second thought. When I took out the condoms she said that if I wanted to do without condoms it’s ok, but I told her that for safety reasons it is always better to be sure.

To cut a long story short, we had sex twice in front of the cam that day and I must say that the experience was very exciting. Would I do it again? Yes, probably but maybe not with her. As you probably have guessed, she keeps messaging me to go and see her, she is lonely, she loves me, she misses me etc, etc… The thing is, she is a very nice person, not comfortable with her body because Thai people always look down on her and laugh at her. She had a boyfriend about a year ago who was from UAE but he had to go back to his country and she did not want to follow him.
Not wanting to break her heart I told her that I had a girlfriend and that it would not be easy for me to do this often, she said she understood but that I could come see her whenever I wanted.

Attached is a picture from a Japanese Porn movie where the actress really looks like Miss Pu from Ladphrao.

I know this one is not a babe or a knockout, far from it but the whole experience was very exciting.

...nice story...I had a blind date similar to what you describe and show in your post a few years ago. You are a better man than me....I couldn't do it!! I didn't want to hurt her feelings through all the compliments she was giving me. I tried a little, but just could not...no matter how hard she tried. I ended up masturbating in her mouth and fingering her to what I beleive was an orgasm. When I got home, I showered and have tried to forget the incident...until now!!

[Daddy07]

...I know this one is not a babe or a knockout, far from it but the whole experience was very exciting.
Wonderful story, Nic, and it all goes to prove that we can have just as much fun with ordinary -- sometimes even extraordinary -- girls.

Several months ago, I struck up a Thai LoveLinks conversation with a pretty faced, but chubby and lonely 23 year old girl from BKK, who discovered that she liked to chat dirty with me. One thing led to another, and soon she agreed to take a bus to Pattaya for the sole purpose of having sex with me for a day. She was a novice, but eager to learn, and the experience turned into an oral sex extravaganza. She just loved giving long lovely blowjobs and having her pussy eaten.

Early the next morning, I took her to the bus station and she was off, never to be seen again.

[1Ball]

Nice story, Nic, an interesting read, not the ususal stuff we read here. And it was an experience you will probably not forget soon.

[Jungle Bluebird]

Hi Nic

haven't been here for a while and first report i read was yours. Your reports are always great to read, honest and from the heart. Excellent.

And yes, she is a big girl LOL

JB



Not really sure where to post this but yesterday I broke my “voyeur” cherry. I am very hesitant to share it here because I will surely get laughed at, but what the heck!

I was browsing camfrog (as usual) and went to a room in the Turkey Zone, not sure why but I was just curious and looking at the women. I was surprised to find quite a number of Thai ladies in the Turkish rooms and they were all (to a certain extent) showing skin.

This is the name of the room: 0X_YASEMEN01_VE_GUZEL_CIFTLER_MEKANI_X

I saw this girl masturbating on cam and sent her a message that I thought her pussy was better than mine (referring to my “non existent” cat), it made her curious enough to look at my cam and one thing leading to another, we got to talk via Private messenger.
The girl (Pu is her name) is a little plump (I mean fat but want to be nice) 23 years old from Bangkok, works in a bank and was on her day off at home, bored, browsing camfrog. She was shocked to learn that I worked in Bangkok and met her in a Turkish room but was glad that we could chat because all the other guys want to show her their dicks. She confessed that she was really jaded looking at dozens of dicks everyday and requests for pussy shows. We exchanged pleasantries in broken English, joked at a few things that Farangs do in Bangkok and she told me she has no boyfriend or even a gig. I asked her if it was ok to move to some kinky questions and she laughed, then agreed. The first question I asked her was the following: “if you have no boyfriend or gig, how do you take care when you are horny?” she sent me a “Red cheeks” smiley and told me that I was making her shy. I told her I was sorry and that I would go back to some more appropriate conversation but she told me that no, she liked it and we could continue. In answer to my question, she showed me a couple dildos. We then laughed about how she got them (present from a friend who is married to a Farang who brought the toys from Germany). I told her that dildos were good but fucking a guy was a totally different experience and she told me that she missed that greatly.

When I asked her if she ever fucked a guy on cam, she then asked me to answer her first and I said I have never done anything more than show my dick. She confessed having used her dildos many times on cam but that she actually never had sex on cam; in fact, she did not have sex with a guy in over a year (seeing how big the lady is, I can believe her). She then said that we (as in me and her) should try to do it on cam (but always added LOL at the end so I understood she was joking, except, she wasn’t).

She wrote her mobile number and her address, then said she was waiting for me to come see her now at her Ladphrao apartment. I messaged her to see if the number was real and it indeed was. What to do? Am I desperate enough to go and fuck this lady? Some people say “any hole’s a goal” but, I mean, she was really large (for my standards).
Curiosity took the best of me and I decided to leave work to see her in flesh. After all, the camera always make people seem a little bigger than they really are so better to go and check for myself (however the camera could not have added the extra 80 pounds this lady was showing LOL).
I wrote her that I was leaving now and would be in Ladphrao in approx 30 minutes, she was very surprised and also very excited but at least, she did not back down.

Being in Thailand, I was kind of expecting her to get cold feet, have a last minute change of heart and leave me there, alone in Ladphrao but that was a loss I was ready to accept: I have nothing to lose.

After a 40thb Taxi ride from the MRT station, I Arrived in front of her building and sent her an SMS to which she replied immediately with the apartment number, ok, I thought, it’s on!
I was a little excited at the idea of seeing what the lady really looked like but also somewhat scared or more like a guy going for his first job interview.

She opened the door and waied me (I waied back), ushered me in and invited me to sit on a sofa. Her whole place was not bigger than my bedroom, it had no kitchen and all was in the main room except for a toilet and the famous cold water shower hose.
Although small, her place was nicely decorated. Ok, enough with the bullshit talk, She offered me a drink (water, my choice) and sat beside me; we made some very basic conversation and I really began to feel at ease (was the water kicking in already? LOL). This lady, however big had a very cute face and a very nice voice so I thought “it might not be that painful to screw her after all”.

She told me I was even more handsome in real than on cam and that she was very happy and lucky that I come to see her, showing me her computer while she was starting camfrog. She sat down on the big chair (no pun intended) and went to the room where we met (where people know her I guess) and engaged into some chat with guys in the room, as it was all in English I could understand.
It ranged from the “Bid dick on cam”, “look my cam, dick show here”, “about to come over your tits” to “please show your tits”, “finger your pussy”, “I want to marry you” kind of posts and I had to laugh at the stupidity of some men in the room.
She then said that her boyfriend was here (I guess that was to be me) so she could not show unless he was ok with it; she turned to me and said she was scared and excited but she don’t know what she can do… I took charge and kissed her. She was very responsive and before you know it, we were making out with her sitting on the chair, me leaning on her and the perverts from the room cheering for some action.

She moved the cam to point to the bed and invited me to get a little more comfortable, I sat on the bed and she almost literally jumped me. We kissed and started to slowly get rid of our clothes. I took charge and started to make my way down very slowly to her (large) tits before going down to taste the pussy. Her pussy was already very wet, sticky and surprisingly very tight. I spent a long time eating her and she certainly sounded like she was enjoying it greatly. She gave me a very mediocre BJ (but at least she made the effort) and thank god I brought my own condoms because this lady would have impaled me bareback without even a second thought. When I took out the condoms she said that if I wanted to do without condoms it’s ok, but I told her that for safety reasons it is always better to be sure.

To cut a long story short, we had sex twice in front of the cam that day and I must say that the experience was very exciting. Would I do it again? Yes, probably but maybe not with her. As you probably have guessed, she keeps messaging me to go and see her, she is lonely, she loves me, she misses me etc, etc… The thing is, she is a very nice person, not comfortable with her body because Thai people always look down on her and laugh at her. She had a boyfriend about a year ago who was from UAE but he had to go back to his country and she did not want to follow him.
Not wanting to break her heart I told her that I had a girlfriend and that it would not be easy for me to do this often, she said she understood but that I could come see her whenever I wanted.

Attached is a picture from a Japanese Porn movie where the actress really looks like Miss Pu from Ladphrao.

I know this one is not a babe or a knockout, far from it but the whole experience was very exciting.

[NicFrenchy]

Wow, Thank you all for the great comments. I was expecting to be laughed at because the girl was big LOL.

I am now also finishing the report about my gig that called me in the middle of a drink with Mick Licker, Flyhere, Neufie and Giotto... LOL

[Jungle Bluebird]

Nic

I think the BIG girl did it. After all, we all have screwed wicked girls. and hey, there is beauty in every girl (i know this sounds a bit over).

I once screwed the ugliest girl ever - farang, super skinny. she even asked me 'why u want to fuck me, i am sooo ugly' and with that i did the impossible. and damn, it was exciting. wicked yes. but who is to tell what is normal and what is not.

JB



Wow, Thank you all for the great comments. I was expecting to be laughed at because the girl was big LOL.

I am now also finishing the report about my gig that called me in the middle of a drink with Mick Licker, Flyhere, Neufie and Giotto... LOL

[Flyhere]

Nic

I wouldn't laugh. I think it's a cool story. And I would do it with a fat girl if she has a pretty face.

Hell, at my age, all girls look good ;)

[Piper1]

(This doesn't really belong in the BKK threads, but it follows from NicFrenchy's 'fat-girl' post).

Great story Nic - good fun - and looks like there are more chubbylovers out there. I don't mind a bit of wobble on a girl - in fact I sometimes prefer cuddly girls over spinners. But one night I went way overboard ...

A few years ago I started chatting online with a German woman, and got to know her over a few weeks. She told me she was a BBW, and how she wanted lots of hot sex, even gang-bangs. I soon realized she was the fat 28 y.o. German woman who sometimes hangs at a pub where I played pool a couple of nights a week. She would sometimes stay until closing time hoping to pick up drunk guys, but I never saw her take a guy home. Not a bad face, but very fat.

So one night, I was one of those drunk guys at closing time and she was there, so I thought "WTF, time to try something different, plus help the poor girl out". :)

She didn't know I was the guy she had been chatting to online for a few weeks, so I played on this a bit. I started talking to her, and after no more than a few minutes conversation I asked where she lives ("A few minutes walk from here"), and did she live with aynone else? ("No"). Of course I already knew all this from our online chatting. :)

I said to her, "Well, how about we go back yo your place now?". She looked at me a bit surprised and asked me why I wanted to go to her place. I simply looked her in the eye and replied. "For hot sex". She smiled, said "Oh, okay then" and off we went. She was more than chubby, so I made sure we left separately. I had to show my face in that club again!

Like Loverboy2 in his report below, once her clothes came off I just couldn't do it. She actually put her nightclothes on after her shower - she wouldn't let me see her naked. I played with her a while and she was bouncing around all over me while giving slurpy blowjobs and frantically munching and swallowing my cock deepthroat like she hadn't seen a cock for years and was starving.

In the end I finished with her lying on the bed face up, I stood behind her on the floor and fucked her mouth hard, and deep into her throat for ages, pulling out every now and then so she could breathe. When I was finally about to come I held her head hard against my cock as I came in her mouth and spurted straight down her throat. This caught her by surprise, she gagged, pushing me away and calling out "You pig! You pig!" coughing up the cum, and spitting it out. Then started laughing and asked me to stay the night as she wanted me to fuck her hard and long.

Selfishly, once I had come, I just wanted to leave, so made my excuses. I stayed long enough to tell her who I was (my 'chat' name), and she laughed. When I woke up sober the next day I thought "What have I done!!??" She messaged me a few more times in the next few days, but I said I had a girlfriend and couldn't see her again as it was risky. She said she understood, and stopped messaging.

The problem was that she would sometimes come to the club after that night with friends, and while I was playing pool, she would bring her friends to the pool room, and proudly point me out, to show them the guy she managed to take home! I avoided the pub a while, only going occasionally. Haven't seen her for a few years.

I like girls of all shapes, sizes and nationalities, but this was a one-off experience. Something to tell the grandkids about one day.
___

Meanwhile one of the three non-WGs I'm seeing reguarly nowadays is a half-Filipina/half-Indian cuddly girl with a beautiful face and big bouncy hooters and a plump ass, and fucking hot in bed. Not quite fat, but certainly more than "average".

[LittleBigMan]

Daddy07,

I thought that was you the other morning on 3rd road heading in the bus station direction. With her in the back it makes your motorbike look so small.

LBM

[Daddy07]

Daddy07,

I thought that was you the other morning on 3rd road heading in the bus station direction. With her in the back it makes your motorbike look so small.

LBM

Nah, it couldn't have been me since my 'date' was months ago.

You probably saw Nic on his recent holiday in Pattaya with the lovely Pu. :D

[NicFrenchy]

You probably saw Nic on his recent holiday in Pattaya with the lovely Pu. :D

No chance. There are 2 dumpy areas in thailand where I hope to never visit: Khao san road, and Pattaya. As opposed to a lot of people here, and despite my reports, I am not in thailand because of the girls. Yes Thai girls are attractive but the primary reason for me being here is because I do a job that I like and that pays me very well, not because I have the "Yellow Fever".

Daddy07, if I ever make it to Pattaya (oh lord), I will be sure to buy you a beer ;)

[NicFrenchy]

Like Loverboy2 in his report below, once her clothes came off I just couldn't do it.

You could have closed your eyes and pretended to dream about Jessica Alba or some other hot chick... you went this far and did not fuck her, poor girl, she must have been so disappointed.

For me, Miss PU loved to be eaten (Daty) and I must say that her pussy tasted very nice. I did not press for Anal but she did not say a thing when I slowly put a finger up there while sucking on her clit.
One day, I'll be horny, broke and in the ladphrao vicinity, I'll probably call her ;)

[Daddy07]

...Daddy07, if I ever make it to Pattaya (oh lord), I will be sure to buy you a beer ;)
Ok, Nic, and I'll be glad to show you once and for all that Paradise, er..., I mean Pattaya, has received a bad rap on this board from your BKK friends.

Does Pu like the beach? :D

[NicFrenchy]

does pu like the beach? :d

my oh my, seems you really took a liking to miss pu ;)

she still sms me everyday telling me she misses me and wants to see me, i reply to her that my gf is here and i can only see her when my gf is away. can you imagine me taking pu to the beach in pattaya? not only will she think she is my gf but also might ask me to move in with her (and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me on a daily basis lol).

[M P Lurker]

my oh my, seems you really took a liking to miss pu ;)

she still sms me everyday telling me she misses me and wants to see me, i reply to her that my gf is here and i can only see her when my gf is away. can you imagine me taking pu to the beach in pattaya? not only will she think she is my gf but also might ask me to move in with her (and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me on a daily basis lol).
nic ,

you are such a good guy who is willing to help out the under-priveliged girls (with lousy figures), by giving them a good screwing. i would not be likely to give up my time as i like slim girls but willing to make an exception for girls slightly too big (d cups). also i am not sure if i could find the pussy easily amoungst the flab.

[NicFrenchy]

Nic ,

You are such a good guy who is willing to help out the under-priveliged girls (with lousy figures), by giving them a good screwing. I would not be likely to give up my time as I like slim girls but willing to make an exception for girls slightly too big (D cups). Also I am not sure if I could find the pussy easily amoungst the flab.

Very understandable, and as the Scottish member said earlier, your time is limited so you need to use it to your advantage.
As far as I am concerned, I have a lot of time for P4P and also for non P4P. In the case of this story, looks of the girl were not really my concern, I was really attracted by the "fucking on camfrog" experience.
I can now say I have done it (and liked it).

As for Pu's pussy, trust me it was very easy to find once I got her in the appropriate position.

[Sammon]

I had great sex with a large plump woman in Phuket.
Although she was only 21 years old working in the bar. Nice cute face.
She was real horny and wanted to have sex allnight. Sometimes you need to pick up these kind of women who generally do not get much sex. This girl was very clean, no smell whatsoever. Great GFE.
She wanted to stay with me next day also. But I decided it was bad for my ego to walk around with a large woman.
Just a general advice to all mongers. Sometimes pick a non-stunner type and the experience can be great. I think it is true when they say cover the face and fire the base.

[Double Shooter]

one long flight to europe, had two gorgeous singapore girls in my section and spent the whole flight peering down their blouses whenever they stooped to serve or pickup something.

i must have been very clumsy that flight.a cunning plan for a cheap thrill: before takeoff adjust your seat belt so that it's tight then leave it undone on your lap. pretend to be asleep. the sg girl will be too polite to wake you and will do the belt for you.

warning do not try this on a ba flight, the gay stewards will 'ave you darling.

[Daddy San]

Gentlemen, I need some info.

My TGF's birthday is coming up and I want to send her some flowers.
Is there such an organisation as Fleurop (who deliver flowers worldwide, be it at outrageous prices) in Thailand and particularly in Chiang Mai, where she lives?

Any info is appreciated.

[NicFrenchy]

Gentlemen, I need some info.

My TGF's birthday is coming up and I want to send her some flowers.
Is there such an organisation as Fleurop (who deliver flowers worldwide, be it at outrageous prices) in Thailand and particularly in Chiang Mai, where she lives?

Any info is appreciated.

Try this: http://www.flowerfeedback.com/

[Sammon]

Send money instead of flowers. Sending flowers is western concept. She can use the money to buy herself some usefull stuff.

[NicFrenchy]

Send money instead of flowers. Sending flowers is western concept. She can use the money to buy herself some usefull stuff.

I disagree. Sending Presents to a Thai girl is very well appreciated.

My office staff receive sometimes presents in the Office (flowers, Teddy bears...) and they love to show them to everyone.

Receiving a gift is a very big face gain for them in front of their friends, money can't buy that.

[Flyhere]

...WARNING do not try this on a BA flight, the gay stewards will 'ave you darling.

or the Qantas guys

[Daddy San]

Thanks for the tip, Nic et al.

I do want to send my TGF at least flowers for her birthday, in lieu of a physical gift, which I'll hand over in person when I see her in some moths.

I definitely will not send her money, so as not to establish a precedent and a situation, where this might be expected, although she has never ever asked me outright.

When we are together, I do spend substantial sums, buying her "little things" (such as a massage shop!). But I do have some control over where that money goes. And no, she has not sold that massage shop yet!

[NicFrenchy]

I remember the Story of a member who said he picked up a lady working in a supermarket and had sex with her, few members actually believed him and some even said it was next to impossible to achieve. Well, it happened to me last night.

I went to Villa market on Sukhumvit (around Soi 33) late evening to buy some fruits and cereals. When I arrived at the cashier, manned by a very cute little girl, I noticed she was eyeing my bag (I bought some Grilled chicken and Som tam from a street vendor) then shyly asked me (in Thai) "you like Som tam?" I said yes and asked her if she liked it too? of course she did. I then joked with her that I can wait until she finished work and share it with her at my place... "really? yes, I want" was her answer. I did not really know what to say because I had no intention of sharing it with her or have her at my place, I just thought she would giggle at my invitation and tell me "Mai dai".

I smiled and told her that I had to sleep early because of work tomorrow but that maybe the next time I come to Villa we can talk again. She smiled and resumed her work, I have no idea if she was relieved or disappointed and I learned a lesson for next time: Keep your mouth Shut.

Pickup at Supermarkets is definitely a possibility, but in my case, I am not clear whether she was after my dick or my som tam LOL

[Lover Boy #2]

I remember the Story of a member who said he picked up a lady working in a supermarket and had sex with her, few members actually believed him and some even said it was next to impossible to achieve. Well, it happened to me last night.

I went to Villa market on Sukhumvit (around Soi 33) late evening to buy some fruits and cereals. When I arrived at the cashier, manned by a very cute little girl, I noticed she was eyeing my bag (I bought some Grilled chicken and Som tam from a street vendor) then shyly asked me (in Thai) "you like Som tam?" I said yes and asked her if she liked it too? of course she did. I then joked with her that I can wait until she finished work and share it with her at my place... "really? yes, I want" was her answer. I did not really know what to say because I had no intention of sharing it with her or have her at my place, I just thought she would giggle at my invitation and tell me "Mai dai".

I smiled and told her that I had to sleep early because of work tomorrow but that maybe the next time I come to Villa we can talk again. She smiled and resumed her work, I have no idea if she was relieved or disappointed and I learned a lesson for next time: Keep your mouth Shut.

Pickup at Supermarkets is definitely a possibility, but in my case, I am not clear whether she was after my dick or my som tam LOL


...."yes, I want".......cute....and you turn it down!!!!!!!!...and all she wants is a taste of som tam...and your peanut.....this begins to look like you are a pussy teaser!!...but congratulations. It is funny the range of people on this forum....from guys in Pattaya barebacking Beach Road girls to guys turning down free sex in Villa Market......bless you!!

[NicFrenchy]

I think I have to write this story, if only just to explain why I left so abruptly from last reunion at LL LOL.

Chilling out at Giotto’s Lodge accompanied by Mick Licker, Neufie, Flyhere, Tansak’s cute girl (you lucky bastard!), Mamasan and the girl on my lap (Apple?), watching the very entertaining Katoey show by the Staff (Note to Newbies:There are no Katoeys at Livingstones, it was just a funny play by the Male Staff for the staff party) and of course: Drinking.

My girl was playing with my chest hair and tried on multiple occasions to take the shirt completely off my back, I told her she could do so only if she would agree to do me the courtesy of removing her top (of course, she didn’t). We were having fun and I was laughing at her suggestion that she wanted to barfine me for the night “I am expensive” I told her, “how much”? she asked, curious to find out. “5000 thb for all night: 1000 for the boss, 4000 for me” I said, smiling, thinking she would hit me and bark, but no, she very seriously told me she was ok with the price but that for 5000 thb, I was to come 8 times during the course of the night. We were having a great laugh while waiting for the Pool table to free up, but unfortunately, we never did get the chance to play together as one of my gig (Ann) called me.

This is one of the students I met at a Thonglor Bar, we saw each other 3 times on kind of “dates” but never rushed into things (read: no sex yet). We always communicate via sms, on a daily basis, but this was the first time she actually called me. She (in a good English) explained that she was at a party near Thonglor and that her lady friend got so drunk she could not go home, he mother and father would kill her if they knew she had been drinking. She was very sorry to disturb me and politely asked me if they could come spend the night at my place (she knows I live nearby and have a very big condo), she said “sorry” about 10 times LOL. In a split second I was to choose between helping a girl who’s pussy I would not mind to enter and the ISG Party at Livingstones… well, being a horndog, you can guess where my priorities were: Pussy!

** FOREPLAY ** (for those who want to know the story) if you only want the “Plat de resistance” Skip to the Deed.

She said she would meet me in front of Emporium within 10 minutes. A friend of hers was driving (a BMW, so must be well off) and both my gig and her drunkard friend (Ae) were sitting at the back. Car ride was very short (I do not live far from that area) and I actually had to carry the drunk lady up to my place. You should have seen the look on my security guard’s face when he saw me get out of a BMW, with 2 girls and carrying the 3rd one in my arms, LOL.
We went upstairs and put the friend to bed in the second bedroom while we sat down and chatted in the living room. My gig needed to call the drunk’s sister to tell her that Ae would sleep at her place (so the parents don’t freak out). While Ann was talking to the sister on the balconny, I was chatting up the BMW driver, a very cute lady (actually they were all very cute) and she complimented me on the nice and big place. We exchanged pleasantries, she said I was very nice and asked me for my phone number to invite me sometimes to some private parties (like the one they just were at). Ann came back and we had a great time chatting & drinking (and eating of course). The BMW lady excused herself and left for the night, leaving me and Ann all by ourselves.

It did not take long for her to show me how grateful she was that I helped her friend by sticking her tongue down my throat. One thing led to another and we were both on the floor exploring each other’s bodies (still clothed) when she stopped, excused herself and went to check on her friend. She came back minutes later telling me she felt tired and would like to sleep. I offered her my bedroom, telling her I would sleep on the sofa in the living room but she told me she would sleep with her friend to make sure she is ok. I smiled, kissed her, wished her goodnight and told her to not hesitate helping herself to anything in the appartment if she needed.
I know what some of you guys are thinking, I am a fool for letting 2 stangers in my condo, unsupervised… well you are right, I was foolish but these girls have money so I did not think anything bad would happen. Went to sleep at 2:30 am.

When I woke up around 8:00 I was surprised to see that all the mess from the night before was cleaned up and washed and that the girls were gone. Ann left me a note that her friend was very grateful and would never forget what I have done for her, that she was taking her home and would be back right after. Can you guess what was missing from my appartment?
Nothing! (thank god).

Of course, the “I will be back right after” was Thai style, which means she stayed at her friend’s place for lunch and only came back at 15:00 LOL.

** THE DEED **

Ann sent me SMSs all morning to reassure me that she would be coming back but was presently tied up with her friend’s family. I had lunch on my own and was toying with the idea of going to the movies when she messaged me that she was on her way and would meet me at my place. Very unusual for her to ask that since we usually meet outside for shoping or some fun but I think she had things on her mind she wanted to do (and I wished that they were the same as what I had on my mind).

Surprisingly (for me) she knocked on my door, which means she bypassed the security guards (2 of them) who usually never let Thai people enter (unless they live in the building or are with someone who does). I open the door and there she is, all smiles.
We were seating on my sofa nibbling on the cakes she just brought when I (I know it’s cheesy but..) put some whipped cream on the tip of her nose, she giggled and looked at me like: is this really what yo want?
We had a little Whipped cream fight and it totally felt like I was back in my teens. As you might have guessed, we ended up in each other’s arms kissing and licking off the whipped cream from our faces. As she asked me for a towel because she wanted to shower I said to her “I need a shower too, can I shower with you?”, her smile and the saucy look on her face spoke for themselves: she was game.

In my bathroom I have a bathtub and separate Rainshower area (which she prefered because it is quite spacious). She went in first and I joined her after making sure the front door was locked. She complained that I did not have any Conditionner and that shampoo alone would make her hair not beautiful. Whatever. I took some cream and started to gently caress her body (and what a body she had) washing her slowly. She did the same thing and I was fully erect in a matter of seconds, she giggled but did not touch my johnson. What ensued was a very erotic experience for me, I kissed her and licked her whole body despite the fact that she was not rinsed off. She was very responsive and kept grabbing and pulling my hair as I was eating her pussy. As we were under the shower, I couldn’t tell if she was wet or if it was the water and besides, she was still all soaped up. We were kissing, licking and holding each other passionately and she (for the first time) grabbed my Erect member. She looked me in the eyes while stroking it gently and raised her leg: she was clearly waiting for me to take her right there in the shower. I did not object and we had sex, bareback. I know it was risky but at least I had the good reflex not to come inside her. She was very tight but not new to sex.

We showered and she complained again that I had no conditioner and that I needed to buy some for next time (? Like she was expecting to move in?). As she dried herself I had a full view of her nice little round ass and pussy and could not resist, Blood was already flowing down towards Johnson who was starting to grow a little. I went to her and started to kiss her neck (her back was turned to me) going down to her butt cheeks. I carried her and threw her on the bed: I was ready for round 2!
I really took my time with the foreplay and she was really into gettind eaten, she did not object me licking her ass but did not want me to insert a finger there (fair enough). This second time I did not forget to put on the condom (she was very surprised) and we had mad sex in many different positions. She fell asleep right after. Big downside: she does not do Blowjobs.
Upon waking up, she told me that she had a very good feeling when we have sex and that she really liked me , she then went on to ask if I had other girlfriends (fuck I hate the after sex Pillow talks LOL). I told her that I had no girlfriend (which is only half a lie because I only have giks) and she was all smiles, she told me she has finished with her boyfriend because he had too many girlfriends and she did not like it.

We went out to eat dinner and she went on her way.

*As this happened a long time ago, the update is as follows: I am still seeing her but only about once or twice a week when I am in Bangkok. She does not have a key to my place but already brought some of her beauty products, toothbrush and some clothes in case she ends up staying overnight (which she likes). Does that make her a Girlfriend? Also, her BMW friend (who is well aware of everything between us) is starting to get very close to me, hinting she would be interested even though I am with her friend.
I hate the games Thai ladies play. Can’t we just get the Tits and Pussies without the lady attached to it?

[Old Thai Hand]

She does not have a key to my place but already brought some of her beauty products, toothbrush and some clothes in case she ends up staying overnight (which she likes). Does that make her a Girlfriend?

In her mind...probably. I had a friend some years ago who told me a similar story. He'd never had a Thai GF, because he was 30-ish, well-off, and just wanted to play around (sound familiar, Nic?) He called me one day, in a slight panic and said "I opened my cupboard and found her clothes there. I don't even know when she did that. She's already taken over my bathroom". I laughed and told him he was doomed.

They're now married.

von Clausewitz could have learned a thing or two from Thai girls. They're masters of strategy and manouever. :)

[NicFrenchy]

In her mind...probably. I had a friend some years ago who told me a similar story. He'd never had a Thai GF, because he was 30-ish, well-off, and just wanted to play around (sound familiar, Nic?)

Sounds VERY Familiar ... looks like I have to have a chat with her but this could not come at a worse time, she has just started to give me blowjobs LOL

[Daddy07]

...she has just started to give me blowjobs LOL
OK, then ... my initial reaction to your great story was that, after having her pussy and asshole licked clean in the shower, she was terribly ungrateful by not giving you a nice blowjob in return.

Seems she is learning fast and you are enjoying yourself teaching her. :)

(BTW -- of course she is now your girlfriend. Giks have a way of doing that. :D

[Old Thai Hand]

(BTW -- of course she is now your girlfriend. Giks have a way of doing that. :D

Things have a way of sneaking up on you like that, here. TGs, like cats, mark their territory.

I remember shagging my Health Insurance rep back in 2004, who only on the second time she was around my place, not only left clothes and toiletries, but sprayed her perfume in my cupboard. On the third day, since we first shagged, she sent me 19 sms, which increasingly became more desperate and angry, because I didn't answer her (I was working and too busy). The last message that day was a classic Thai-English transliteration, which was so angry and unintentionally funny at the same time. "What do you think I am, a loose virtue woman?" It was at that point that I decided that I had to get rid of her before she spilt blood.

Not wanting her to come to my place for obvious reasons, I thought meeting her in public would be safer. I didn't count on a complete emotional breakdown. So, there we were at Black Canyon at Big C across from Central World, her balling her eyes out, screaming at me, as every Thai glared at me as if I had just murdered our first born. "You don't love me anymore!!!!" (We had really only been together 1 week and shagged twice). "Do you think I am Sopanee?" (hooker). "You're a really bad man!!!" (This was said in Thai, immediately drawing the attention of every Thai guy in the vincinity). It was at that point, I realized that this was a lose-lose badly scenario and I had to run for my life. So, with her still weeping and wailing at the top of her lungs, I quickly stood up, said good bye and simply ran out there. A strategic withdrawal it wasn't. But, the natives were restless. So, I took the easy way out.

I only got one message from her after that. She was so "broken-hearted", that she had shaved all her hair off, (a bit of Thai culture - women will cut their hair when they are severely broken hearted), quite her job and moved back home to live with her parents.

Farang bad. Thai good. :)

[Daddy07]

Things have a way of sneaking up on you like that, here. TGs, like cats, mark their territory.

I remember shagging my Health Insurance rep back in 2004, who only on the second time she was around my place, not only left clothes and toiletries, but sprayed her perfume in my cupboard. On the third day, since we first shagged, she sent me 19 sms, which increasingly became more desperate and angry, because I didn't answer her (I was working and too busy). The last message that day was a classic Thai-English transliteration, which was so angry and unintentionally funny at the same time. "What do you think I am, a loose virtue woman?" It was at that point that I decided that I had to get rid of her before she spilt blood.

Not wanting her to come to my place for obvious reasons, I thought meeting her in public would be safer. I didn't count on a complete emotional breakdown. So, there we were at Black Canyon at Big C across from Central World, her balling her eyes out, screaming at me, as every Thai glared at me as if I had just murdered our first born. "You don't love me anymore!!!!" (We had really only been together 1 week and shagged twice). "Do you think I am Sopanee?" (hooker). "You're a really bad man!!!" (This was said in Thai, immediately drawing the attention of every Thai guy in the vincinity). It was at that point, I realized that this was a lose-lose badly scenario and I had to run for my life. So, with her still weeping and wailing at the top of her lungs, I quickly stood up, said good bye and simply ran out there. A strategic withdrawal it wasn't. But, the natives were restless. So, I took the easy way out.

I only got one message from her after that. She was so "broken-hearted", that she had shaved all her hair off, (a bit of Thai culture - women will cut their hair when they are severely broken hearted), quite her job and moved back home to live with her parents.

Farang bad. Thai good. :)
By golly, OTH, you really are a cad and a scoundrel, aren't you? :D

[Old Thai Hand]

By golly, OTH, you really are a cad and a scoundrel, aren't you? :D

and a bounder, as well.

[Daddy San]

To change the topic - totally:

In another forum, a phrase in one of Opebo's less slimy contributions caught my eye.

"I went to Ceasar instead where the prices are prominently posted on the walls for all to see (even farangs can read Roman numerals)"

Farangs can commonly read Roman numerals, because farang culure evolved from the Roman culture and some of us have actually read Tacitus or Julius Caesar.

Pardon my ignorance, but I am not aware of any such connection between the Roman and Thai cultures. Furthermore, the clientele at Khon Kaen chicken houses are unlikely to have studied Latin, so why post prices in Roman instead of Thai or possibly Arabic numerals?

[Escort Fan]

I was wondering if it's possible for a westerner to find a descent job in BKK?

After all there are tons of international firms that have established a HQ in BKK.

Does anyone from the western world that went to bkk to get a job locally can share his experience of the job market in bkk?

Perhaps some links to some job site or web sites from major headhunters from BKK.

[NicFrenchy]

I was wondering if it's possible for a westerner to find a descent job in BKK?

Yes it is but it depends on your qualifications.


After all there are tons of international firms that have established a HQ in BKK.

Not really, BKK is not a good place for HQs of big Intl firms. They are in HK or Singapore.


Does anyone from the western world that went to bkk to get a job locally can share his experience of the job market in bkk?


I was hired via head hunter but my Branch is very specific and my head hunter specializes in my field only.
you should do a google search.
Also, many jobs available on the BKK post so I guess you can check their website (if they even post their "classifieds" there).

Lastly, I would like to tell you one thing: BKK (and LOS) is not the paradise it is supposed to be, a lot of hassles for foreigners in terms of employment, visas, work permits and Thai Bosses. Yes, the lifestyle, money and pussy are a big reason why most Farangs forget about how poorly they are treated by the system here.

Keep in mind that we are not wanted, just needed and merely tolerated.

God, I sound like OTH LOL... ;)

[NicFrenchy]

Update on Miss PU, the Bank lady I met and Fucked on cam (read report here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=784467&postcount=1871 )

I am to see her again at the end of the week. She SMS'd me today to tell me that she bought a gift for me and that I can come to get it whenever I have time. She also added that it would make me very happy.

I was a little disturbed by the message for 2 reasons:

1. I was not expecting to hear from her again and had no intention of repeating our previous experience

2. I was skeptical about the fact that her buying me a gift would be buying her way to be a more serious Gig or GF?

I asked an old asia hand (60 years old colleague of mine) and he said I would be crazy not to accept the gift but needed to be clear with her that I was not available for any kind of romantic relationship.

Well, we shall see what comes out of this encounter and what the actual gift (that will make me happy) turns out to be.

I will report it here but in the meantime, any ideas on what I should watch out for? (this question is obviously directed to long time LOS residents)

[Old Thai Hand]

Update on Miss PU, the Bank lady I met and Fucked on cam (read report here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=784467&postcount=1871 )

I am to see her again at the end of the week. She SMS'd me today to tell me that she bought a gift for me and that I can come to get it whenever I have time. She also added that it would make me very happy.

I was a little disturbed by the message for 2 reasons:

1. I was not expecting to hear from her again and had no intention of repeating our previous experience

2. I was skeptical about the fact that her buying me a gift would be buying her way to be a more serious Gig or GF?

I asked an old asia hand (60 years old colleague of mine) and he said I would be crazy not to accept the gift but needed to be clear with her that I was not available for any kind of romantic relationship.

Well, we shall see what comes out of this encounter and what the actual gift (that will make me happy) turns out to be.

I will report it here but in the meantime, any ideas on what I should watch out for? (this question is obviously directed to long time LOS residents)


Lingerie...

Do I hear?..."Going to the chapel and we're, gonna get married, married...
Going to the chapel of love" :D

[Opebo]

Pardon my ignorance, but I am not aware of any such connection between the Roman and Thai cultures. Furthermore, the clientele at Khon Kaen chicken houses are unlikely to have studied Latin, so why post prices in Roman instead of Thai or possibly Arabic numerals?

Virtually all Thais understand Roman numerals, and those are the numerals most commonly used in Thailand nowadays. Also the place to which I referred in my post was not a 'chicken house' (where most assuredly nothing is posted), but a 'Soapy Massage' style place. They cater to middle class Thais who are willing to blow big money - 1,000-2,000 baht, on a mildly titillating experience. Chicken houses are much more working class - middle class Thais generally do avoid them for fear of being seen and thus looking shabby.

[NicFrenchy]

ok, I see that after the reviews about my successes in pulling girls from camfrog a lot of guys inquire about it (via PM), save yourself the hassle of PMing me adn read this below:

1. You MUST have a cam - if you don't, unless you read/write in Thai the girls won't talk with you

2. Upgrade to Pro so you can go to the ASIA rooms and not only the Thailand section

3. Do NOT repeatedly write the lady's name like an obsessive jerk on the main board (freaks them out).

4. Do NOT show your cock on cam... EVER (ladies lose all respect for guys who do that because they see hundreds of them everyday).

5. just compliment them, say something funny. you must say something fun and unusual as to get her curious = the only goal is for her to look at your cam.

6. Go to the rooms with very low user count in order to increase your chances of being noticed by the girls.

7. Understand the colors: Names have different colors, why?

Black = regular user
Blue = Friend of the Room
Green = Operator of the Room
Red = Owner of the room
Grey = when someone blocks your mic (they use it to tell people who is showing or who is cute)

7. For me, I am known by many Thai girls on camfrog now and it becomes difficult because many girls think they are my Cyber Girlfriend. I have some problems when more than 1 happen to be in the same room at the same time.

8. I am young and not so ugly looking so a lot of times the DJ of the room tells the ladies to look at my cam... this happened yesterday, I was in a China room and the lady DJ said that I was very handsome (on her microphone) and next thing you know, ALL the girls were looking at me and I got a lot of offers for private shows. (Attached is the screen and I have to say it was pretty intimidating to have all people look at me)

9. Problem is I get a lot of IM from Gays asking me to show my cock or meet them, you win and lose some... LOL

When you see the user's Logo with the green eyes? means they look at your cam

[Betong]

Also the place to which I referred in my post was not a 'chicken house' (where most assuredly nothing is posted), but a 'Soapy Massage' style place.
Ah, so that explains the "MDCLXX บาท" sign at the Pink Lady!

[Opebo]

Ah, so that explains the "MDCLXX บาท" sign at the Pink Lady!

Ah, sorry. I forgot they're called 'arabic numerals' - the ones we and virtually everyone in the world normally use. Oops.. was thinking of Roman characters, I guess.

[Daddy San]

Ah, sorry. I forgot they're called 'arabic numerals' - the ones we and virtually everyone in the world normally use. Oops.. was thinking of Roman characters, I guess.
Thanks,
mystery solved

[Daddy San]

Reading Nic Frenchy's Camfrog adventures, there was a remark about dildos and other "toys", suggesting these articles are not readily avalable in Thailand.
Ist this a fact, or have I just misunderstood?

If dildos are in fact a rarity in LOS, then my TGF might be pleased to get one (or several), to help her through the long lonely nights and to keep her out of the clutches of you lustful farangs!

[M P Lurker]

Reading Nic Frenchy's Camfrog adventures, there was a remark about dildos and other "toys", suggesting these articles are not readily avalable in Thailand.
Ist this a fact, or have I just misunderstood?

If dildos are in fact a rarity in LOS, then my TGF might be pleased to get one (or several), to help her through the long lonely nights and to keep her out of the clutches of you lustful farangs!
I would say its not that easy to get good sex toys in Thailand. Thai girls are too shy to by them and there is a certain "pornographic" label attached to them.
There are crap vibes available on the street made in China.

I import to Thailand vibes on a regualr basis to give away as presents to girls. The 'hot for it' girls mostly appreciate them as they know that the customers won't always be able to turn them on as desired. My GF uses vibes when I am not there and even when I am there gives me a show sometimes.

Many girls like small vibes that can be hidden away in a handbag easily, e.g. bullets, as long as they are powerful enough. My GF says a weak vibe is frustrating. It should be so powerful that she almost cannot stand it.

Right now I'm in Frankfurt so I should stock up in my suitcase.
There are sex shops everywhere here.

[Retired Army]

Right now I'm in Frankfurt so I should stock up in my suitcase.
There are sex shops everywhere here.

There is one in the arrival hall at FRA International Airport in case you have an immediate need.

[NicFrenchy]

Reading Nic Frenchy's Camfrog adventures, there was a remark about dildos and other "toys", suggesting these articles are not readily avalable in Thailand.
Ist this a fact, or have I just misunderstood?

Yes, they are not readily available. Most TGs get them from Farangs and Japanese that visit LOS and give them away.
For those adventurous enough, you can always start your own website and sell them Dildos online... however I am not sure it would be legal to deliver in Thailand but there certainly is a BIG market for it.

[Old Thai Hand]

Yes, they are not readily available. Most TGs get them from Farangs and Japanese that visit LOS and give them away.
For those adventurous enough, you can always start your own website and sell them Dildos online... however I am not sure it would be legal to deliver in Thailand but there certainly is a BIG market for it.

Are easily found at Khlong Tan market.

[NicFrenchy]

Are easily found at Khlong Tan market.

Yes, the cheap vibrators are available but not the good stuff

[M P Lurker]

There is one in the arrival hall at FRA International Airport in case you have an immediate need.
Yes that shop is O.K. if just arriving in Frankfurt and need condoms and Lube supply brfore taking taxi direct to mongering grounds, or if forgot to stock up on good quality lube before heading to thailand. But probably too expensive at airport for vibes etc.
I'll be buying a massive tube of "Condomi" Lube or "Ritex" is O.K. too.

[Retired Army]

Yes, they are not readily available. Most TGs get them from Farangs and Japanese that visit LOS and give them away.
For those adventurous enough, you can always start your own website and sell them Dildos online... however I am not sure it would be legal to deliver in Thailand but there certainly is a BIG market for it.

This is an interesting discussion to which I have never given much thought. When I travel my wife is always having me buy "toys" for her Thai girlfriends. Now, I'm talking about women in their 30's and 40's, not 20's. Seems like they all have a desire for a whopping 220 volt or gasoline powered vibrating dildo.

Therefore, I think that anyone chasing 20 something "girls" in Thailand are missing a golden opportunity. If a woman needs a dildo, think how much they would appreciate the real thing. Especially one that spurts.

[NicFrenchy]

Therefore, I think that anyone chasing 20 something "girls" in Thailand are missing a golden opportunity. If a woman needs a dildo, think how much they would appreciate the real thing. Especially one that spurts.

I'm not at all into 20 year old girls but they just happen to be game for some fun so can't turn them down LOL

My primary targets are, as you said, older girls (30 to 40) adn not only are they hungry for sex, they actually know how to fuck a man.

[Retired Army]

I'm not at all into 20 year old girls but they just happen to be game for some fun so can't turn them down LOL

My primary targets are, as you said, older girls (30 to 40) adn not only are they hungry for sex, they actually know how to fuck a man.


Nothing worse than dropping your drawers, have a girl look at your dick, and ask what's that and what do I do with it.

[M P Lurker]

I'm not at all into 20 year old girls but they just happen to be game for some fun so can't turn them down LOL

My primary targets are, as you said, older girls (30 to 40) adn not only are they hungry for sex, they actually know how to fuck a man.
Nic,

Some of these Thai girls have been fucking a lot since the age of 16 or whatever. They can be experts by the age of 21 in many cases. However I do know a 38 year old who fucks way better than she did when she was 23. But she a shit BF at 23. So it depends!

A year of good experience can be better than many years of bad experience!

[Jungle Bluebird]

Sex toys are are readily available. Example http://www.sanooksook.com/

Delivery time is abt 2 days. Toys are delivered in a brown box, no label.

Careful though. Friend of mine got arrested for having a few sex videos. Police found a dildo in his condo. Apparently it's illegal. Go figure LOL.

JB



I would say its not that easy to get good sex toys in Thailand. Thai girls are too shy to by them and there is a certain "pornographic" label attached to them.
There are crap vibes available on the street made in China.

I import to Thailand vibes on a regualr basis to give away as presents to girls. The 'hot for it' girls mostly appreciate them as they know that the customers won't always be able to turn them on as desired. My GF uses vibes when I am not there and even when I am there gives me a show sometimes.

Many girls like small vibes that can be hidden away in a handbag easily, e.g. bullets, as long as they are powerful enough. My GF says a weak vibe is frustrating. It should be so powerful that she almost cannot stand it.

Right now I'm in Frankfurt so I should stock up in my suitcase.
There are sex shops everywhere here.

[Daddy San]

Avalability by mail order is just for the informed few.

I think my TGF will be pleased by some select specimen.

I must remember to buy Eveready Energizer batteries.
They last longer (than I do)!

[NicFrenchy]

Follow up on Miss Pu from Ladphrao:

Part 1: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=784467&postcount=1871
Part 2: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=787689&postcount=1908

As promised, I went to see her again last night and things went exactly as I expected they would go: Miss PU welcomed me in her flat and we sat on her couch, talking about the weather and nibbling on some food she prepared. I was waiting for her to make the first move to see where this whole thing would go.
We had 15 minutes of pointless conversation about where I was (Chiang Mai), if I like my job, do I travel a lot and bla bla bla. She then, out of the blue asked me if I find her sexy (oh lord) and I honestly replied that she looked Very pretty (which is true as she has the face of an angel). She was over the moon and hugged me. She then said that she really likes me and that she want to be important for me so she buy me a gift: a dress shirt from DAPPER (these go for 2k each). I was shocked. What do I do? Do I take or refuse the present? I thought it would be extremely rude to refuse so I took it and thanked her (2k must have been a fortune for her because as a bank teller she probably earns less than 10k/month). She saw the opportunity and gave me a kiss, then another and next thing you know I am Thrusting in and out of her pussy. She loves every minute of it and after the deed tells me I am so handsome and she is so lucky that I like her because she love me so much.

I am really having trouble as I do not want to break her heart, but at the same time I do not want her to think she is my girlfriend so I decide to change my strategy (since the “I have a GF already” does not seem to work): I tell her that I am a very bad man and that I am a butterfly and have many many girlfriends.
She was not happy about this and asked me how many girlfriends I had: about 10 (I lied). She then ask me which number she is? And I told her that I had 3 very important GF already. She almost cried and told me why I have important gf but I go see her and have sex if she’s not important? (fuck fuck fuck.. how can I counter TG Logic?).

I got away, telling her that she was a very pretty, very sweet and good hearted lady (Huge EGO boost) and she deserved someone much better than me. I told her I am not good, I drink a lot and I am always looking for a new girlfriend but that she need a man that will really love her and take good care of her.
She looked at me and told me that it is difficult to find a good man but she understand and she don’t want a guy who will go with many ladies.

I left her place (with the shirt) and sent her 4 sms to which she did not reply. Is the relationship over? LOL

[1Ball]

Nic, I feel awful for this poor girl.

Go back there, and fuck her in the ass this time.

[PinkPearl]

Aren't sex toys illegal in Thailand?

http://www.phuketgazette.net/issuesanswers/details.asp?id=849

"In Thailand, vibrators are forbidden by law. One of these babies in your hand luggage could land you in a prison cell. Those who want to take the risk should remove the batteries first as they look a bit obvious on the x-ray."

http://www.mangosauce.com/sex/not_urban_myth_hello_kitty_vibrator.php

Comment from another forum, lonleyplanet:

"There have been a number of well publicized cases where individuals importing and/or selling 'sex toys' have been prosecuted in Thailand. I therefore suspect that trading in sex toys is illegal."

[Old Thai Hand]

Follow up on Miss Pu from Ladphrao:

Part 1: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=784467&postcount=1871
Part 2: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=787689&postcount=1908

As promised, I went to see her again last night and things went exactly as I expected they would go: Miss PU welcomed me in her flat and we sat on her couch, talking about the weather and nibbling on some food she prepared. I was waiting for her to make the first move to see where this whole thing would go.
We had 15 minutes of pointless conversation about where I was (Chiang Mai), if I like my job, do I travel a lot and bla bla bla. She then, out of the blue asked me if I find her sexy (oh lord) and I honestly replied that she looked Very pretty (which is true as she has the face of an angel). She was over the moon and hugged me. She then said that she really likes me and that she want to be important for me so she buy me a gift: a dress shirt from DAPPER (these go for 2k each). I was shocked. What do I do? Do I take or refuse the present? I thought it would be extremely rude to refuse so I took it and thanked her (2k must have been a fortune for her because as a bank teller she probably earns less than 10k/month). She saw the opportunity and gave me a kiss, then another and next thing you know I am Thrusting in and out of her pussy. She loves every minute of it and after the deed tells me I am so handsome and she is so lucky that I like her because she love me so much.

I am really having trouble as I do not want to break her heart, but at the same time I do not want her to think she is my girlfriend so I decide to change my strategy (since the “I have a GF already” does not seem to work): I tell her that I am a very bad man and that I am a butterfly and have many many girlfriends.
She was not happy about this and asked me how many girlfriends I had: about 10 (I lied). She then ask me which number she is? And I told her that I had 3 very important GF already. She almost cried and told me why I have important gf but I go see her and have sex if she’s not important? (fuck fuck fuck.. how can I counter TG Logic?).

I got away, telling her that she was a very pretty, very sweet and good hearted lady (Huge EGO boost) and she deserved someone much better than me. I told her I am not good, I drink a lot and I am always looking for a new girlfriend but that she need a man that will really love her and take good care of her.
She looked at me and told me that it is difficult to find a good man but she understand and she don’t want a guy who will go with many ladies.

I left her place (with the shirt) and sent her 4 sms to which she did not reply. Is the relationship over? LOL

I have to say that it's been a LONG time since I laughed out loud at a report on here. Maybe you didn't mean to be funny. But, this is a riot. :D

P.S. No, the relationship is not over. Take a deep breath and count slowly...1...2...3...and soon you will suddenly get a message from her. She'll be angry because you fucked her (she doesn't want to appear to be "bad"). But, then you'll be given another chance to truly "LOVE HER" (i.e. fuck her again) because she "loves you long time"...hahaha.

I'm waiting with baited breath. ;)

[Daddy07]

...I left her place (with the shirt) and sent her 4 sms to which she did not reply. Is the relationship over? LOL
IMHO, the relationship won't be officially over until you have let her save face by presenting her with a gift worth at least 3K. You must at least allow her make a profit on her bad investment. :)

[Old Thai Hand]

IMHO, the relationship won't be officially over until you have let her save face by presenting her with a gift worth at least 3K. You must at least allow her make a profit on her bad investment. :)

Actually, not a bad idea. While it might be risky for a number of reasons, he'll most likely get an enthusiastic 'thank you' shag out of it. ;)

[Jungle Bluebird]

or worse. that huge chip on her shoulder, all that low self-esteem, now channeled towards Nic :-) after all it's all his fault now...

JB



I have to say that it's been a LONG time since I laughed out loud at a report on here. Maybe you didn't mean to be funny. But, this is a riot. :D

P.S. No, the relationship is not over. Take a deep breath and count slowly...1...2...3...and soon you will suddenly get a message from her. She'll be angry because you fucked her (she doesn't want to appear to be "bad"). But, then you'll be given another chance to truly "LOVE HER" (i.e. fuck her again) because she "loves you long time"...hahaha.

I'm waiting with baited breath. ;)

[NicFrenchy]

IMHO, the relationship won't be officially over until you have let her save face by presenting her with a gift worth at least 3K. You must at least allow her make a profit on her bad investment. :)

I was thinking about this as I feel bad she forked 2,000 thb for nothing. But if I buy her something, I do not want her to think I am interested or trying to get back in her good books for a relationship. I also contemplated the idea of returning the shirt (I did not wear it) so that she can get the money back.

[NicFrenchy]

Guys,

Please stop asking for PU's phone number and address, she is not a prostitute so I will not give her details away.

[NicFrenchy]

I have to say that it's been a LONG time since I laughed out loud at a report on here. Maybe you didn't mean to be funny. But, this is a riot. :D

I did not intent for it to be funny at all LOL, glad it made you laugh though.


P.S. No, the relationship is not over.

hhmmm, so what do I have to do then? change my number? so she can no longer contact me?
She still has not contacted me yet... maybe she is asking her friends for advice on what to do, or even better, trying to find the solution by watching her Fav Thai sopa opera?

[Daddy07]

I was thinking about this as I feel bad she forked 2,000 thb for nothing. But if I buy her something, I do not want her to think I am interested or trying to get back in her good books for a relationship. I also contemplated the idea of returning the shirt (I did not wear it) so that she can get the money back.
I honestly think you would make things worse for her if you returned the shirt.

Why not give her a nice present and tell her that you want to be friends; that she is too good for you as a girlfriend because you are a butterfly, but that you like her very much, and the last thing you want to do is hurt her?

One thing you should NOT do is fuck her again, IMO.

[Giotto]

I was thinking about this as I feel bad she forked 2,000 thb for nothing. But if I buy her something ...
NicFrenchy,

I think that's not a good idea - you better get married to her soon :) .


Giotto

[Old Thai Hand]

I did not intent for it to be funny at all LOL, glad it made you laugh though.

I laughed because it's just so familiar. I've been there many times. Didn't you read my story about the girl who cried her eyes out at Big C when I told her I was a bad man and a butterfly etc. etc.? Listen, if the opportunity presents itself, screw her again. Who cares? She's a big girl. TGs are masters at feigning innocence, shock and disbelief. She took a calculated risk, gave you the shirt, planned to shag you, hoped for more and was hurt when it didn't quite go her way. It's quite cliche, really.

In reality, you're thinking too much about it.

[NicFrenchy]

Listen, if the opportunity presents itself, screw her again. Who cares?


One thing you should NOT do is fuck her again, IMO

Waaaaaa... I am even more confused now LOL

On a serious note, Yes OTH, I have read the BigC experience you had ;)

I decided that I will buy her something (can't be a dildo caus she has many already) of the Value 3,000 and tell her we can be friends (however I am sure this will not go well as she wants more).

[Daddy07]

Waaaaaa... I am even more confused now LOL

On a serious note, Yes OTH, I have read the BigC experience you had ;)

I decided that I will buy her something (can't be a dildo caus she has many already) of the Value 3,000 and tell her we can be friends (however I am sure this will not go well as she wants more).
You can always give her the option of becoming one of your giks, (with full disclosure, of course). :D

[Old Thai Hand]

Nic

Your average TG would blush at the very thought of sex toys.

So, if the girl has many dildos, she's hardly a typical TG and I'd say a bit of a "goer", if you know what I mean. She does not really require diplomacy or delicate handling.

Stop being such a gentleman. ;)

[Daddy San]

Waaaaaa... I am even more confused now LOL

On a serious note, Yes OTH, I have read the BigC experience you had ;)

I decided that I will buy her something (can't be a dildo caus she has many already) of the Value 3,000 and tell her we can be friends (however I am sure this will not go well as she wants more).
I read about a place, where they make make a cast, and model a dildo replica of your cock. You can even have it scaled up (or down). Is that not a suitable present? This way she will allways remember you....

[Member #3428]

I read about a place, where they make make a cast, and model a dildo replica of your cock. You can even have it scaled up (or down). Is that not a suitable present? This way she will allways remember you....

http://www.makeyourowndildo.com/

Perfect present for your TGF, wife and Gik's alike...

Mick and Nic have so many they should just buy stock in this company :D

[Cunning Stunt]

Your discussion about dildo's reminds me of a joke I heard recently:

A family are driving behind a garbage truck when a large dildo flies out and thumps against the windscreen.

Embarrassed, the mother turns around and says to her young son in the back, "Don't worry. That was only an insect."

To which the boy replies, "I'm surprised it could get off the ground with a cock like that!"

:D GH

[Daddy San]

I read about a place, where they make make a cast, and model a dildo replica of your cock. You can even have it scaled up (or down). Is that not a suitable present? This way she will allways remember you....
This was supposed to be a joke. I didn't know, the place (http://www.makeyourowndildo.com/) actually existed.
But at least the idea of scaling up the dildo is new. I'd take out a patent on it, but the Thai/Chinese would copy it anyway.

[Member #3428]

This was supposed to be a joke. I didn't know, the place (http://www.makeyourowndildo.com/) actually existed.
But at least the idea of scaling up the dildo is new. I'd take out a patent on it, but the Thai/Chinese would copy it anyway.

Actually there are two that I know of, the one I listed below and this one which has some more variety like making a chocolate bar of your cock, candle, or soap etc...

http://www.cloneawilly.com/

Been around for a while....

[Retired Army]

how can I counter TG Logic?...



You can't, so why waste the time and energy...

[M P Lurker]

You can't, so why waste the time and energy...
And trying to use my straightforward understandable logic on them seems to be fairly useless as well.
I even resort back to basics of the approach used to train a horse like the carrot and the stick but even that doesn't work. I guess they know I just don't have anything to beat them with. But my stick can hurt ;)

[Old Thai Hand]

Well, first of all, to have logic of any sort, one has to think.

Thais don't think.

It's all emotion and shoot from the hip. Who can deal with that?

[Retired Army]

Well, first of all, to have logic of any sort, one has to think.

Thais don't think.

It's all emotion and shoot from the hip. Who can deal with that?


Well, Thai's think, I just don't know about what... And it's not about what's happening at the moment.

[LittleBigMan]

They do think, but it's trying to think what they are thinking and why they are they thinking it, is the confusing part!

The do shoot from the hip and trying to figure it out is a waste of time. If you use logic with them majority of the time it goes over their heads and they get mad and loose face! Aside from my wife, now I just sit listen, smile and say yes or no!

LBM

[Wander Luster]

Keep in mind that we are not wanted, just needed and merely tolerated.

God, I sound like OTH LOL... ;)

How would you and others compare this mentality to other Asian countries? Japan is maybe the least excepting. What about compared to the Philippines? Is Thai culture truly so unwelcoming of non thais?

Been many times, but I may retire and live there for a time.

[NicFrenchy]

Is Thai culture truly so unwelcoming of non thais?

Thai are not even keen on welcoming their own kind if from a different social class.

[Old Thai Hand]

Thai are not even keen on welcoming their own kind if from a different social class.

Nor are they welcoming to Thais from certain parts of the country such as the South and Isaan.

[Opebo]

How would you and others compare this mentality to other Asian countries? Japan is maybe the least excepting. What about compared to the Philippines? Is Thai culture truly so unwelcoming of non thais?

Been many times, but I may retire and live there for a time.

Every Asian country I've been to is characterized by very high levels of xenophobia, and non-Asian foreigners are definitely only tolerated if their money is needed. In Thailand for the moment they need our money, but every year as they become more prosperous they need us less. In South Korea they can now give free vent to their dislike of foreigners, as they have become rich. Its hard to even get a prostitute to accept the foreigner there (I believe it is the same in Japan). Thailand will be like this one day, no doubt.

I do think that those planning a retirement far in the future should consider poorer countries such as the Philippines or Indonesia, which are unlikely to become prosperous enough to reject the despised foriegner.

[Jungle Bluebird]

Thais embrace chaos as a constant. westerners are committed to bring order into chaos and thus cannot accept chaos as status quo.

many of the reasoning we - as westerners - apply simply just does not fly in Thailand.

JB


They do think, but it's trying to think what they are thinking and why they are they thinking it, is the confusing part!

The do shoot from the hip and trying to figure it out is a waste of time. If you use logic with them majority of the time it goes over their heads and they get mad and loose face! Aside from my wife, now I just sit listen, smile and say yes or no!

LBM

[Old Thai Hand]

Thais embrace chaos as a constant. westerners are committed to bring order into chaos and thus cannot accept chaos as status quo.

many of the reasoning we - as westerners - apply simply just does not fly in Thailand.

JB

Chaos reigns here because of the Thai inability to deal with any sort of uncomfortable challenges or confrontation. They freak out and try to get out of such a situation either through irrational and often extreme histrionics (both men and women) or by simply running away. Sometimes they do both. Loss of face, of course is at the root of it all.

The ultimate goal of most Thais is maintaining harmony through avoidance.

[Jungle Bluebird]

Sorry OTH. you are describing the symptoms. what is the cause though?

JB



Chaos reigns here because of the Thai inability to deal with any sort of uncomfortable challenges or confrontation. They freak out and try to get out of such a situation either through irrational and often extreme histrionics (both men and women) or by simply running away. Sometimes they do both. Loss of face, of course is at the root of it all.

The ultimate goal of most Thais is maintaining harmony through avoidance.

[NicFrenchy]

I have sent her many messages (sms) but she did not reply so I guessed she was a little hurt.
I caught her on Camfrog and we chatted via IM, I apologized if I mislead her into thinking that there could be more to our relationship than the sex and she said she understood and anyway was looking for a good man and not butterfly.

I also took Seajohn's advice and had Chocolates (no flowers, sorry) + 2,000thb delivered via my office messenger. She sent me a Thank you sms with a nice Smiley.

The End of this relationship (or so I hope)

now, I would like to say that this girl isn't that innocent, for what it's worth, I think any girl who owns many dildos and has sex on cam is a big (no pun intended) girl and can take the rough ending.

[Old Thai Hand]

Sorry OTH. you are describing the symptoms. what is the cause though?

JB

The cause is complex. But, a lot of it has to do with the fatalism of Thais learned in their rather warped Buddhist teachings, coupled with a feudalistic society so rigid and domineering, that control over one's own destiny is all but stripped away from the average Thai. The Thai education system discourages thinking and certainly any sort of challenges to whatever crap largely mis-informed Thai teachers spew out. Tied into all of this is also what I described in my post as the goal of harmony through avoidance: avoidance of issues, problems or anything that would require difficult decisions and choices. Such a rigid set of cultural controls often leads Thais to snap and go off the deep end.

[M P Lurker]

The cause is complex. But, a lot of it has to do with the fatalism of Thais learned in their rather warped Buddhist teachings, coupled with a feudalistic society so rigid and domineering, that control over one's own destiny is all but stripped away from the average Thai. The Thai education system discourages thinking and certainly any sort of challenges to whatever crap largely mis-informed Thai teachers spew out. Tied into all of this is also what I described in my post as the goal of harmony through avoidance: avoidance of issues, problems or anything that would require difficult decisions and choices. Such a rigid set of cultural controls often leads Thais to snap and go off the deep end.
The solution for to problems for many Thais seems to be going to the temple and consulting the Monk who is expert in all things.
Shall I sell my house? How much should I ask? Can the monk bring good fortune to her business deal?

There is also the attitude that in order for something to turn out well you must pray to the Buddha. If you pray to 50 Buddhas your chance is better. But as well as asking for an outcome you must promise to do something if the outcome is successful. All this praying seems to be an excuse to take little or no actual action to achieve the outcome, hoping for good fortune, at the very least is wasting valuable time.

Many visiting the temple are looking for lucky numbers to help them with the lottery.

[Jungle Bluebird]

interesting...

what I consider the biggest challenge is Thai’s inability to take criticism. it is almost that some switch in their cognitive wiring points to one direction, where westerns tend to go right the opposite. when westerners seek solutions and clarity through discussion, Thai’s tend to shut down. however Thai's do send signals of compromise westerners can’t receive nor decipher.

Personally i find the communication gap impossible to bridge. but then i resigned to the fact that though we live on the same planet why the heck do we all need to understand each other.

JB



The cause is complex. But, a lot of it has to do with the fatalism of Thais learned in their rather warped Buddhist teachings, coupled with a feudalistic society so rigid and domineering, that control over one's own destiny is all but stripped away from the average Thai. The Thai education system discourages thinking and certainly any sort of challenges to whatever crap largely mis-informed Thai teachers spew out. Tied into all of this is also what I described in my post as the goal of harmony through avoidance: avoidance of issues, problems or anything that would require difficult decisions and choices. Such a rigid set of cultural controls often leads Thais to snap and go off the deep end.

[Ham Yai]

You exist!

Here I stand!

[Old Thai Hand]

All this praying seems to be an excuse to take little or no actual action to achieve the outcome, hoping for good fortune, at the very least is wasting valuable time.

The ultimate goal is to accept no responsibility for anything. Karma is merely an excuse (like the Will of God) to never take charge and actually do something. It's also a way to avoid making a mistake. It's better to do nothing than take a risk of doing something wrong.

The Thais are basically gutless wonders - fun to be with in any light-hearted social situation, but completely useless in any scenario requiring backbone and fortitude.

[Opebo]

...a feudalistic society so rigid and domineering, that control over one's own destiny is all but stripped away from the average Thai...

Actually such control is also unavailable to working class people back home; we just go to more trouble to decieve ourselves, or allow ourselves to be decieved out of hubris. Fact is the Thai way of actually recognizing how society works is a bit more honest, forthright, and hardnosed than the laughable American view that hard work, individualism, and self-reliance have any effect on one's condition.

[LittleBigMan]

The cause?

In my opinion it seems to be losing face! and Thai's don't seem to like sitting down and expressing their emotions to each other like westerners.

LBM

[Jungle Bluebird]

Brilliant! A new label and suitable for almost all occasions



... Thais are basically gutless wonders.....

[M P Lurker]

The ultimate goal is to accept no responsibility for anything. Karma is merely an excuse (like the Will of God) to never take charge and actually do something. It's also a way to avoid making a mistake. It's better to do nothing than take a risk of doing something wrong.

The Thais are basically gutless wonders - fun to be with in any light-hearted social situation, but completely useless in any scenario requiring backbone and fortitude.

But Thailand is more fun than other countries and this causes some Thais to not take the opportunity to leave.
Was talking to a nun at the temple yesterday who has been there for 2 months, so far, but no shaven head (nicely braided instead). She works in marketing. She has worked in Singapore but didn't like it.

She also does part time work helping paralysed people with special massge techniques manipulating nerve fibres (I think).
I was surprised that she was even allowed to touch my arm to demonstrate her fibre manipulation technique.

She is in the temple to escape from a recent boyfriend who is muslim and wants to take her overseas. One of her parents is muslim too, but she is Buddhist only.
She is 40 years old with 3 kids and cannot think of leaving Thailand of course. I have to admit I fancied her but I was there for a different purpose.

Meanwhile another nun took me to numerous Buddhas to pray for my desirable outcomes. I lot of highly superstitous behaviour that seems to me to be at odds with the true buddhist principals.

[Starchild2012]

Meanwhile another nun took me to numerous Buddhas to pray for my desirable outcomes. I lot of highly superstitous behaviour that seems to me to be at odds with the true buddhist principals.

Yes...The present form in which principles of Buddhism are preached has nothing to do with the meaning for which Buddha was born in India.

Buddha was the first and the foremost in rejecting all the idol worship..he was against people building temples and going to temple to pray for salvation and desires.

His very existence was to reject all Gods and Goddess and the false priests who in the name of God kept the masses under dark and benefited a lot.

His whole life was against what now a days Buddhist do and preach all over the world...if he ever had gone to a temple he would have never have being a Buddha...his whole life was to find God outside the temple and idols and he did find and went into Nirvana.

He wanted to break the code of the priests as they controlled the masses and as they said you guys can only see God through us..come to temple..make offering, sacrifices..we will show you God..Buddha was just born to prove those bad guys wrong.

Budhism has become an institution and a religion just like other religions to make ends meet for many people..if Buddha has to come back...the first thing he will ask is to destroy all the temples and statues that are constructed in his name around the world :)

Its ironical that the nation which gave Buddha have moved on and went back to vedas and Advaita philosophies...All the great saints who were born after Buddha realized the time for Buddhist principles was over as his work was done.

At present times...Buddhism is an impractical religion and now it has become to the extent of self torturing and a means of exploitation.

If people are really interested in Buddhism they have to first and foremost read the history of India and the circumstances that led to the principles of Buddhism.

Without one learning the history of India.....understanding Buddhism is just 50% :)

[Lover Boy #2]

Yes...The present form in which principles of Buddhism are preached has nothing to do with the meaning for which Buddha was born in India.

Buddha was the first and the foremost in rejecting all the idol worship..he was against people building temples and going to temple to pray for salvation and desires.

His very existence was to reject all Gods and Goddess and the false priests who in the name of God kept the masses under dark and benefited a lot.

His whole life was against what now a days Buddhist do and preach all over the world...if he ever had gone to a temple he would have never have being a Buddha...his whole life was to find God outside the temple and idols and he did find and went into Nirvana.

He wanted to break the code of the priests as they controlled the masses and as they said you guys can only see God through us..come to temple..make offering, sacrifices..we will show you God..Buddha was just born to prove those bad guys wrong.

Budhism has become an institution and a religion just like other religions to make ends meet for many people..if Buddha has to come back...the first thing he will ask is to destroy all the temples and statues that are constructed in his name around the world :)

Its ironical that the nation which gave Buddha have moved on and went back to vedas and Advaita philosophies...All the great saints who were born after Buddha realized the time for Buddhist principles was over as his work was done.

At present times...Buddhism is an impractical religion and now it has become to the extent of self torturing and a means of exploitation.

If people are really interested in Buddhism they have to first and foremost read the history of India and the circumstances that led to the principles of Buddhism.

Without one learning the history of India.....understanding Buddhism is just 50% :)

Fantastic post........the truth has been spoken....(please add that the special version practiced in Thailand would probably make Sidharta Gautama very ill)

[NicFrenchy]

God Help us, please let the sex come back :D

[Member #3173]

You mentioned a place called Oh Nut somewhere recently in this forum.I am
a newbie in Bangkok but last August I happened to be there at 8pm having
missed the Bell Travel bus to Pattaya as my Air Asia flight from Penang missed
the last bus and I boarded the wrong bus to Pratunam from the airport when
what I wanted was to get to a hotel near Ekamai so that I could be on the
bus the next day to Pattaya.
Anyway the bus let me off at Oh Nut and I found it to be a big place (any
hotel there?) and there were even local buses to nearby Chonburi at 9pm
(but I dare not take the bus not knowing what time the bus will get there)
In the end I boarded a bus to Khao San Road for the night as there are several including #511.I noticed that the bus even passed Chinatown.

In short if Oh Nut is a strategic place with food,supermarket,hotel and transport I will make it a stopover whenever Iarrive late in Bangkok.
Any help?Thanks

[M P Lurker]

God Help us, please let the sex come back :D
Well you could find another thread more sex oriented I guess. :)
"Living in Thailand" isn't just sex for most people.

When you get off work Nic, do you have time for anything in amongst your heavy sex schedule? ;)
I have to admit I found very little time for work I was supposed to be doing during my recent 1 week in Thailand. :D It wasn't all sex as has to investigate a few issues relating to the GF.

[Old Thai Hand]

You mentioned a place called Oh Nut somewhere recently in this forum.I am
a newbie in Bangkok but last August I happened to be there at 8pm having
missed the Bell Travel bus to Pattaya as my Air Asia flight from Penang missed
the last bus and I boarded the wrong bus to Pratunam from the airport when
what I wanted was to get to a hotel near Ekamai so that I could be on the
bus the next day to Pattaya.
Anyway the bus let me off at Oh Nut and I found it to be a big place (any
hotel there?) and there were even local buses to nearby Chonburi at 9pm
(but I dare not take the bus not knowing what time the bus will get there)
In the end I boarded a bus to Khao San Road for the night as there are several including #511.I noticed that the bus even passed Chinatown.

In short if Oh Nut is a strategic place with food,supermarket,hotel and transport I will make it a stopover whenever Iarrive late in Bangkok.
Any help?Thanks

DirkDingy is wrong. On Nut is the station after Prakhanong and the last stop on the Sukhumvit line of the BTS.

On Nut is a pretty Thai neighbourhood and not so strategic. However, there's a large mall there (Tesco Lotus) and a lower-end guesthouse called the On Nut Guesthouse, which I think is relatively new. A friend of mine stayed there and said it was pretty good for what it was and convenient for getting the the airport early in the morning. But, it's about a 15-20 minute walk up soi 89, so not exactly near the BTS. I think it's around 500 baht/night.

[Member #3173]

Old Thai Hand, is Oh Nut part of Sukhumvit area then? Normally on the day of arrival I do not like to monger though if there is a chance nearby, why not.
500 baht for one night accomodation is okay, having stayed in Khao San area 2 months ago.
All buses should stop at the big stop at Tesco HYpermarket and if there are
several hotels and/or guesthouses within 15 monute walk from Tesco it is, even better, just in case the one you mentioned is full.
For a night, air cond or fan is okay.Next day I will be off to...Pattaya !!

[Old Thai Hand]

Old Thai Hand, is Oh Nut part of Sukhumvit area then? Normally on the day of arrival I do not like to monger though if there is a chance nearby, why not.
500 baht for one night accomodation is okay, having stayed in Khao San area 2 months ago.
All buses should stop at the big stop at Tesco HYpermarket and if there are
several hotels and/or guesthouses within 15 monute walk from Tesco it is, even better, just in case the one you mentioned is full.
For a night, air cond or fan is okay.Next day I will be off to...Pattaya !!

On Nut is on and around Sukhumvit. FYI, Sukhumvit is a very long street and extends well out into the provinces.

[Lord Farquard]

On Nut is on and around Sukhumvit. FYI, Sukhumvit is a very long street and extends well out into the provinces.

Doesn't it go all the way to Pattaya?

[Lover Boy #2]

Doesn't it go all the way to Pattaya?

....all the way to Trat actually.

[M P Lurker]

....all the way to Trat actually.
One crazy road. On average heads SE from BKK but heading ranges everything between South West to North East. Even when does a 90 degree turn still seems to be Sukhumvit (Sukhum wit).

So why change name to Ploenchit(Phlern-jit) when heading straight the other way (West) for barely 1 kilometre before changing again to Rama 1 (Phra Raam Neung)? Then cross the Khlong and name changes again to Bamrung Meuang.

Seems to be gross inconsistency!

[Retired Army]

One crazy road. On average heads SE from BKK but heading ranges everything between South West to North East. Even when does a 90 degree turn still seems to be Sukhumvit (Sukhum wit).

So why change name to Ploenchit(Phlern-jit) when heading straight the other way (West) for barely 1 kilometre before changing again to Rama 1 (Phra Raam Neung)? Then cross the Khlong and name changes again to Bamrung Meuang.

Seems to be gross inconsistency!


Whenever faced with these inconsistencies, remember T. I. T.: This is Thailand...

[DirkDingy]

Does anyone know where I can find a website designer? If so, what's the going rate for a site? Thanks in advance.

DD

[Lover Boy #2]

Does anyone know where I can find a website designer? If so, what's the going rate for a site? Thanks in advance.

DD

...what city? (prices are all over the place depending on the size of the company and how much they think they can get from you)

[DirkDingy]

...what city? (prices are all over the place depending on the size of the company and how much they think they can get from you)

BKK. Thanks.

[Lover Boy #2]

BKK. Thanks.

I sent you a PM

[Run Mann]

Does anyone know where I can find a website designer? If so, what's the going rate for a site? Thanks in advance.

DD
My company has used ADDR for the last seven years, they will even host your site.
www.addr.com

[DirkDingy]

they want $250. is this about right for a custom webpage?

[Flyhere]

they want $250. is this about right for a custom webpage?
ONE page? that's way too much, even for the USA.

I guess it depends on how much layout work, and how much graphic design work. Btw, you don't have to limit yourself to local firms, as this kind of work can easily be done anywhere. I find locally designed websites are of low quality compared to the US.

In many cases, a hosting company will offer design work at very reasonable costs, since they're going to make regular money on hosting.

[DirkDingy]

Thanks. I meant webiste. They charge 250 for up to ten pages.

[Flyhere]

Thanks. I meant webiste. They charge 250 for up to ten pages.
In the US market, for small jobs, you pay around $200 for a simple but professional 5-page website, all high-quality graphics provided by the designer. I have seen off-shore designers quoting half that, but it can be a case of you get what you pay for, and quality will vary a great deal.

US$250 for a 10-page website is a decent price. Probably about 5 hours of work at $50/hr.

[Opebo]

Is it possible to 'own' a car or motorbike in one's own name in Thailand? I had heard from fellow sexpats that all one needs is a work permit, but the applicable bureaucracies informed me that there is in addition some sort of 'residency paper' or 'yellow book' proving one's address and so forth that one must get. I've also heard this is extremely difficult to get.

Alternatively, if one has purchased a motorbike or automobile, what happens if one never does anything about 'putting it in ones name'? Does it become illegal to be driven at some point? Does the license on the rear of the vehicle informed the police whether or not it is up to date in terms of taxation, etc., as in the USA?

[LittleBigMan]

Opebo,

Others might have the exact answer and in the proper order.

As for a motorbike, I don't think you can drive it out without allowing them to register the purchase/bike. At some point you got to have a license plate and a yearly registration tag fixed to the bike.

One of my friends recently purchased a motorbike this year. He had to go down to immigration and get a letter saying he was living or retired in Thailand. He is staying long term in a Resort and used his monthly receipt as proof he had a resident address. He took that letter down to the Honda dealership and purchased the bike.

I'm sure the exact and correct answer will be forth coming to you soon.

LBM

[Lover Boy #2]

Opebo,

Others might have the exact answer and in the proper order.

As for a motorbike, I don't think you can drive it out without allowing them to register the purchase/bike. At some point you got to have a license plate and a yearly registration tag fixed to the bike.

One of my friends recently purchased a motorbike this year. He had to go down to immigration and get a letter saying he was living or retired in Thailand. He is staying long term in a Resort and used his monthly receipt as proof he had a resident address. He took that letter down to the Honda dealership and purchased the bike.

I'm sure the exact and correct answer will be forth coming to you soon.

LBM

I think this is pretty close. I purchased a car and I have a driver's license (both motorbike and car) and they wanted the residency cert.....not my work permit. The residency cert. is obtained at Immigration....it is one page and asks for your current address and they want a receipt of payment at that location....along with a few photos. There was a small fee and I came back in 1 hour and the papers were done. The work permit is not necessary to get the vehicle registered.

[Flyhere]

A couple of people were looking for (cheap?)website designers previously. No first-hand knowledge, but I was told that there are a few on the 1st floor (not sure if that's ground floor or not) of Pantip Plaza. They have shops or booths with "website design" signs. Around 3000-3500THB for a simple website.

[Lord Farquard]

A couple of people were looking for (cheap?)website designers previously. No first-hand knowledge, but I was told that there are a few on the 1st floor (not sure if that's ground floor or not) of Pantip Plaza. They have shops or booths with "website design" signs. Around 3000-3500THB for a simple website.

It's one stop shopping, there are even some booths that can help with domain names (probobly the same ones). Looks like you can just walk in, and walk out with your own site, up and running. All right, it might take longer than 10 min. :)

[Lover Boy #2]

It's one stop shopping, there are even some booths that can help with domain names (probobly the same ones). Looks like you can just walk in, and walk out with your own site, up and running. All right, it might take longer than 10 min. :)

....but do you really want your server in Thailand? After my company did a tonne of research, it was decided that the server (hosting company) would be offshore to avoid all of the Thai b.s. Also, because of issues involving the infrastructure of the Thai internet (poor isp's, etc.)...the site will be slow even if viewed from out of the country. I think it best to use an offshore host.

[Warbucks]

….The dentist asked me was I an American basketball player. Now white westerners ask questions like this too when they see a black guy with a little bit of money. It's usually rapper, athlete, or singer. :D What is crazy is if I was an American basketball player with their salaries I would not have to travel to Thailand to see a dentist. I have dumped over $5000 dollars in this place in the last two years….but that still is small money compared to American dental prices.

[NicFrenchy]

….The dentist asked me was I an American basketball player. Now white westerners ask questions like this too when they see a black guy with a little bit of money. It's usually rapper, athlete, or singer. :D

Were you at Emporium 2 nights ago? dining at that Fish restaurant with a Thai lady?
I saw a black guy there and he had a fair amount of "Bling" on him so I thought it was you... I toyed with the idea of introducing myself but if it wasn't you I did not want to make an ass of myself...

NF: Hi, are you Daddy Warbucks?
DW: No
NF: (feeling Stupid).....
Thai Girl: (thinking) "Maybe he's famous" :D:D

[Warbucks]

Were you at Emporium 2 nights ago? dining at that Fish restaurant with a Thai lady?
I saw a black guy there and he had a fair amount of "Bling" on him so I thought it was you... I toyed with the idea of introducing myself but if it wasn't you I did not want to make an ass of myself...

NF: Hi, are you Daddy Warbucks?
DW: No
NF: (feeling Stupid).....
Thai Girl: (thinking) "Maybe he's famous" :D:D

I did hit Paragon earlier this week.

[Retired Army]

….The dentist asked me was I an American basketball player. Now white westerners ask questions like this too when they see a black guy with a little bit of money. It's usually rapper, athlete, or singer. :D What is crazy is if I was an American basketball player with their salaries I would not have to travel to Thailand to see a dentist. I have dumped over $5000 dollars in this place in the last two years….but that still is small money compared to American dental prices.


$5,000 is one crown in the US.