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Time Change in Brazil......
On Sunday Oct. 13th here in Brazil the "Time" will change. Most of Brazil will jump ahead 1 hour.
We here in Rio will then be 2 hours ahead of USA Eastern Standard Time...
Then on Sunday October 27th you in the US will change your time and go back 1 hour and Brazil will then be 3 hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time..
So anyone calling from the US after 10/27 (East Coast 8PM) it will be 11PM here in Rio....
and (West Coast 8PM) it will be 2 AM here in Rio
Hope this helps.
Jose Marcia
10-10-02, 17:06
tomb,
I had already tried several venues including brol before posting my request. Please consider that January/Feberuary is the high season and I was planning to get a flight from Albany NY, to Fortaleza.
After I saw your reply, I tried BACC. I told them the combination I would like and their agent "Nice" pronounced as "neice" gave me exactly that and at a price of $767 including all that taxes...i.e. $150 less than what I was willing to pay (quoted on the internet thru Orbitz). This flight will take me albany - Ohare - sao paulo - fortaleza - sao paulo - washigton - alabny. The average waiting time in between connections is 3 hours which simply is perfect in my case. I wish I could somehow return you a favor too.
This will be my 4th. trip to Brazil and approximately 25th. trip world-wide for mongering/sight-seeing purposes. Too bad that now I can not use last minute Air Courier flights that used to be $100 or less to any part of the world. I sure will submit my trip report in the middle of january. Thanks again for taking time to reply.
Jose:
Glad that Nice at BACC hooked you up. She's good, as is Monica (who I usually work with). I'm suprised that Albany-O'Hare works better than Albany-JFK, but I'm not a travel agent, what do I know... Sounds like you got a pretty good price, though! BTW, don't forget that you can include an indefinite stopover anywhere in your itinerary, Sampa for instance, to sample the local pleasures. Also, Sao Paulo - RJ flights cost about US$75, so if you want to stopover then visit "A Cidade Maravilhosa", there you go. If you have any questions, send me an email at tombSPAMTRAP@simarchitectSPAMTRAP.com (take out SPAMTRAP) as you get closer to the big date.
As for how to repay me, I'm sure we can figure something out. If you miss your courier days, you can always run me back a box of Dona Flor Maduro Churchills or Robustos, I can pay the cigar shop in Fortaleza (there's only one) with my credit card by phone, and you just pick them up and try not to smoke any before you get back to Albany. I live near Philly, so you just toss the box out the window as you pass by on your Washington-Albany flight. ;-)
BTW, I got a box of REAL Cohiba Esplendidos for US$230 when I was there......
Tom B.
Jose Marcia
10-11-02, 15:33
Hi again,
This board was very helpful. Way to go Jackson.
I just booked my flight to Brazil for january 2. As I see the real being devalued at a faster rate and reaching to a level of R4 to $1 (currently R3.954 = $1), my heart is jumping faster and faster. My $$s will go long ways.
I have a dilemma. The last time (4/6-13/1999) I went to Brazil, the embassy gave me a 5 year multiple visa. After carefully looking at all the pages of my passport over and over again, I can not find any single stamp that can prove that I went to Brazil on those dates. I have reciepts and airline stubs that can prove that I was in Brazil on those days. Does anyone on this board ever was in the similar situation? I am thinking that what if I do not ask another visa from the Brazilian embassy, I may be denied entry to Brazil or may be denied even to board the plane. Any help will be appreciated.
Jose:
As long as you have a valid 5 year visa, you'll be fine. It doesn't matter if you actually went to brazil between when the visa was issued and now. Call the consulate in NYC (www.brazilny.org for the number) if you have any doubts.
Tom B.
Jose Marcia
10-11-02, 17:15
Here you are again to my rescue. Thanks again.
Do you have multiple visa and did they stamp your passport?
I have already described my situation to the embassy at that address 3 days ago. They have not responded yet.
The stamp on my multiple visa says "First entry within 90 days. Valid for multiple entries within 5 years from date of first entry. For stays of 9 days. Renewable for the same length."
What worries me that they can raise the question that the visa is invalid and I have not made the first entry within 90 days therefore I need another visa.
P.S. As you asked me, I sure can toss a few boxes of Dona Flor Maduro Churchills or Robustos cigars on my way back. However, I will need UTM's of your place. Let me make this easy for you. UTM stands for Universal Traverse Mercater......Please find out what they are and look for some boxes of cigars on the roof of your house on January 11th. early in the morning. If you don't find any...make sure u search your neighborhood.
Bureaucrats are such idiots. They give you a five year visa, but then why would they care if you go down in the first 90 days or the fourth? It makes no sense. Anyway, I would be a little worried if I were you, although whether or not you get stopped probably depends on whether the guy who checks you is having a bad day or not. But, the real question is, why don't you have stamps in your passport for those prior visits?
The first time I went to Rio, they stamped my passport. But last time, they sure did not stamp it. But I do remember, they look for a valid visa but did not check previous stamps but the law is the law.
Jose:
DOn't bother trying to email the embassy, call them:
(917) 777-7777
And yes, you are caught in a fine delimna between the letter of the law and actuality. In all probability you will get no problem whatsoever from the guy stamping your passport in Brazil (I know you'll get no problem at the airport here in the States or on your way back). If I were you, I'd take your ticket stubs, etc along with you from your last trip to wave at the Federal Police just in case. Again, it's EXTREMELY unlikely that you'll have any problems on the way in, but if you do, just play the dumb American, say I don't know why I don't have stamps, etc. etc.. The officials really only care to see that you DO have a visa, that's all.
Tom B.
first of all thank you Tomb for the Rio Guide excellent guide, do you know the web address for Rio Rioss hotel and is it guest friendly. Thanks again..
t-rex:
http://rioroiss.tropicalbr.com.br/
Never been there,but I've read here in these forums that they are girl-friendly.
Tom B.
I've been there a bunch of times. Very girl friendly. No tricks either. Also, great location -- two blocks from Help. A little (and only a little) over-priced, but all-in-all it's worth the effort to stay there for that price range (about 50-ish a night in 2001).
Happy hunting,
JWadd
LatinTraveller
10-13-02, 21:06
Hotel RioRoiss
Great location, really straightforward staff.
I stayed there last in June/July 2002. I paid Real 110 per night including tax and breakfast. This was on the basis of single occupancy. If you want to bing a chica back they simply charge the difference between single and double occupancy, for that night only, 35 real if I remember correctly. No fuss, no problems.
Highly recomended.
Enjoy
LatinTraveller
Can you take 2 chicks at the same time at hotel Rio Roiss?
Thanks
Originally posted by Gladiator
Can you take 2 chicks at the same time at hotel Rio Roiss?
Thanks
One time a couple of garotas I had met on the beach tried to talk me into taking the both of them with me to the RR while we were at Meia Pataca. They insisted RR would let us in.
But, I didn't try it out. One of them had just drained me a few times.
IrishLager
10-15-02, 01:28
Does anyone have a used copy of pimsleur portuguese level 2 to sell? If so, please email me at cranialgalactic1NOSPAM@msnNOSPAM.com without NOSPAM of course.
I'm going back to Rio in January and want to be at least comfortable enough in portuguese to lay a rap to non pros. Much appreciated.
irishlager
You cannot take 2 chicks back to the Rio Roiss. Only one at a time is allowed. Of course better to get double room so you don't get charged for each garota.
If you are at Rio Roiss and need 3some, I'd suggest you to go to short time love motels.
Gentlemen,
You CAN take three, four, five, six, seven or whatever number of chicks into your room. Of course, you need is to cover your Main Man at the front desk. Just slip some greenback to the guy at the front desk. No problem.
Does anyone have the latest Therma prices?
How much does it cost for a night with a girl from Help Disco?
Thanks
Jose Marcia
10-16-02, 12:45
Finally, I got a reply from the Brazilian Embassy. I was planning to leave with my passport and ticket stubs. Now, I am not sure how to handle this situation. Here is their reply to my email.
Consulado Geral do Brasil em NY" <visas@brazilny.org>
>You will have to apply for a new visa.
>Best Regards
>---- Original Message -----
>To: <visas@brazilny.org>
>Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:01 AM
>Subject: Do I need another visa
> I have been to Brazil 3 times. The last time, in March 1999, I applied for a tourist visa. I was granted a 5 year multiple tourist visa. I went to Brazil on April 4, 1999 and came back on April 13, 1999. Rio immigration did not stamp my passport upon the entry and did not stamp again upon my exit. US immigration did not stamp my passport either. Therefore, I do not have any proof on my passport that I have ever been to Brazil. The visa states that the first entry should be within 90 days of getting this visa.
>
> Now I am booked for January 2, 2003 to go to Brazil again. How can I prove that I have been to Brazil? Is this visa still valid? Please help!!!
> Thanks.
>
> P.S. I have the travel iteneray and airline ticket stubs of my 1999
> trip that can prove that I was in Brazil then.
JoseMaria:
Typical bureaucrat! Anway, now you have a choice - do you spend another $50 and get a new visa, or do you just wing it? It's your 50 bucks and it's your peace of mind, so you have to decide what's worth more to you. Personally, I'd just go to Brazil with my old visa and "dar um jeitinho" (get a fix) if Brazilian immigration service gives me a hard time. But it's up to you.
Tom B.
Jose Marcia
10-16-02, 14:29
Thanks Tomb for responding. If I must get another visa, I will have to drive over 300 miles, take a day off from my work, and will have to pay the visa fees, and that is not gonna happen. I guess I will take your advice and will go with the old multiple visa. If they starting asking questions, I will play a pendeho americano at the Sao Paulo immigration counter. If they insisted, I will provide them with the old ticket stubs. I doubt it if they will deny me entry.
Guys,
I think immigration, custom, visa, passport topics would be better suited for the "General info" thread?
Just a thought.
JoseMaria:
I believe that you can do the visa by mail, again contact the consulate. Nevertheless, you'll most probably be OK just winging it.
Tom B.
BTW, what is "pendelho"? You mean "pentelho"? You know what that is, right?
Hey fellas,
I gotta a lotta useful info for your next trip to Rio but I just have not have time to write it here. I got a lot of useful info from this board (specially Tom, mad props to you my man), so it's only civilized for me to give back.
Anyways, it might seem sloppy but I'll just add to it as I go.
1_ HELP is fucking overrated. Go there get it out of your system, then make your own decision. I use to hang out in there just because I knew that my Rio Buddies would be there late at night.
2_ The best joints are the termas, Monte Carlo is off the hook (within walking distance to my apartment). The Solarium was even better. I got some of the best blowjobs I've ever gotten in my whole motherfuckin life at the Solarium.
Yep, there was days where I was so exhausted from fucking that a simple BJ would do just fine.
3_ Which leads me to say this, when you get to Rio, PACE YOURSELF. Do not go fuckin everything that looks good to you within the first days you're there. I swear by day 4 I had problems with my dick staying hard during the termas sessions. Even the guarana juice could not help a brotha.
4_ Apartments are nice, but next time I am getting a Hotel. The Rio Roiss is the bomb. One of my buddies stayed there. You cannot bring two girls at a time, but they are very girls friendly though. And best of all, their location is almost perfect. They are right behind the Rio Othon Palace. Prices a very decent and if you walk in, they might give you an extra 30% OFF ( no kidding)
If you think abou it, when you get a hotel room, you have someone come change your sheets every single morning. Trust after some hot sex sessions, you don't want to be sleeping on top of those nasty juices and sweats. Yuuk!
At my apartment, the maid only came once the whole week I was there, and I had to arrange it. I don't like that. I want clean sheets, and towels every morning, god damn it.
5_ Went to the Rio Antigo downtown, it was so so. But Again with the termas it's usually hit or miss. Ya know.
I tried one of the Twins, they wanted me to take em both, but that was just a little too freaky for me.
One word of advice though, the twins are not what I would call what the average white guy is looking for. I am black and I have a lot of white friends, and I have an idea of what they call a 10. The twins are a 10 to a black fella cuz that is the kind of body type we're looking for. Thick bootay all the way baby. Also I did do her greek style with no hesitation and she loved it.
6_ If you need the kindda girls that grace the pages of sports illustrated then you need to go to Barbarella's . The girls are expensive there, 100 US Dollars on average, but god damn it those bitches a model material. Cover charge is kindda heavy, 50 Reals, and drinks aren't cheap. So beware. But trust me the HOs look good.
7_ Going to the termas and taking 2 chicks at a time can be addictive. Be very very careful, once you do 2, you cannot just go back to 1 hehehehe.
8_ if you need energy to take care of the chickas, you can join a Gym for 1 week or even a day and it's right behind the Rio Roiss, as well as the internet cafe.
9_ Learn portuguese, Learn Portugese, Learn Portuguese, Learn Poruguese. The language could be a barrier if you want to get none Pros. I went to the Rio Sull mall a couple times, hooke up with some regular chicks that drove us around to go sight seeing and shit, took us back to their place and all. It was nice but just fucking painful when you don't speak portuguese.
If your potuguese gets better and you have a pimp mentality, you can get a lot of pussy for free. I guarantee ya. I saw other people do it and I know it's doable.
10_ Rio is not as bad as people say safetywise, but use common sense, make some friends and walk in groups, or share cabs with other people. Don't be shy, if you hear other people speak english, introduce yourself, make some friends for life, that might even save your life.
I met a lot of cool people in Rio, on upwards of 30 different individuals. I remember most their names, and even exchanged email addres with them.
11_ I am going back to Rio on October 28th to Nov 4th. I'll check the board to occasionly to answer some questions. Sorry about the typos, but I just ain't got time to check them and I am typing super duper fast right now.
Peaaaace....
Def
def, where is the Solarium terma? What are the rates for the different services?
Thanks
DEF!
Great post (i wish there were more posts like yours).
I almost want to suggest that Jackson should create a FIELD REPORT/TRIP REPORT achives for well written Rio posts.
They are few and far between.
Keep up the good mongering.
PEACE
just wondered if any of you guys will be in rio over christmas and
into mid or late january and want to hook up email bensark@freeukdotcom ,thinking of heading there mid december to check out some pros and non pros.im 27 and have blonde hair so hopefully will be okay with the non pros just the lingo,there is a big outdoor restaurant maybe called pizza park or something in leblon,i read about it on website as a good place to find middle class local non pros.
other places for non pros in rio from what i can gather are:
nuth
new york new york
bunker 84
any others worth knowing about ?
bensark@freeukdotcom
I will be in Rio entire week of Nov. 4. During the day I'll be conducting a bit of business, at night I will be having fun. I have been to Help! a few times and might really be interested in scoping some other places out. If anyone else in this forum is going to be there that week, give me a holler at manforyou999@yahoo.com (excuse the corny email, I don't want to post a real-looking email here because of web crawlers). There is one possible complication: I have a female acquaintance in Rio (not a pro, and I've never been intimate with her), there is a small possibility I could "hook up" with this woman while I'm there, in which case, my nighttime forays may be curtailed some or maybe even completely. I doubt that will happen, but you never know, I would gladly spend time with this woman all week then go pick up chicks I don't know, no smirks please. Anyway, holler at me if you're going!
OH MY GOD! Rio de FUCKING Janeiro! What a fantasyland!
The sexiest, most relaxed of mind, easy-going women in the world. You cannot imagine how good this place is until you go there. And Brazilian women, I quote, “love to fuck”. They all said that, and they all bloody meant it. Here is a real phone conversation to give you a flavour of what I mean:
Hooker: I want to be with you tonight
Me: I cannot tonight; I have got other plans with my mates
Hooker: But please, I really want to. Not for money. Just you and me, having a good time. I really really want you.
Me: You say not for money. But you don’t want me, you actually want my money.
Hooker: Why don’t you just believe me? (Sounds like genuine annoyance) I promise I don’t want any money. All I want is another night like yesterday.
Me: Because I don’t believe you just want to have sex just for the sake of sex. Men think like that, not women.
Hooker: NO, not Brazilian women. You don’t know Brazilian women. We love to fuck just as much as you guys do……..
No exaggeration, no bullshit. And all my friends heard words to that effect at some point or another during the holiday. Do they mean it? I think so, and anyway who cares – what counts is that they sound bloody genuine enough to make you feel like King Stud.
OK, so everyone has more or less written words to this effect already in past extracts. What’s the point of me writing this piece here?
Primarily, the other pieces are out of date. This site was very useful to me before we travelled out but could have been better with a few updated extracts. This report is from August 2002. Secondly, I am so boosted by my time there I want to tell the whole world about this magical place. In reality, I am getting off is telling you about how excellent this city is:
Help Discotheque is still the best place to pick up fit women. If I could, I would open a franchise of this most amazing place. Of course the prices vary according to the quality of girl. But just imagine some of the best looking women in the world, all dancing and approaching you for sex. And not in a business like manner either. There’s general chit chat, flirting, touching and caressing. Only after some time will you get the question of do you want to go back for sex. Its not seedy, it’s not uncomfortable – in fact it is so natural that it does not seem like you are pulling hookers but just some normal girl!! You walk out of there feeling like the world’s biggest stud when really all you have done is some business. That’s the beauty of it.
Watch out on the prices - I had someone quote me R$2000 for the night! This might sound extortionate but this woman was bloody amazing. Just watching her dance with her pelvis and hip movement in front of me for five minutes, left me no doubt that she would be one of the best fucks of all time. But still, unless you have money to burn, it still is only a fuck and hence a lot to spend.
The woman I first had was a scorcher of a blonde (tall with a hot body) for R$150 (even out of that she lost R$20 as I was short for the hotel room we went to!). She had a brilliant “I might or might not fuck you” style to her behaviour (I later found out that she was in fact a lesbian and had to ask her partner first if it was OK by her to go back with me!!!). That explained why she was more wet and her groans more natural when I was fingering her rather than using my dick!! But to emphasise the point we were messing around in Help drinking and dancing until 3PM before we finally left.
Another night I made friends with this 21year old Brazilian hooker (I hate even calling them this!) who was out of this world. Not only was she sexy, but also she could speak good English so I actually became quite close to her. Our sex together was mind blowing – I still haven’t gotten over it. After I had released my sheer animal instincts on her, the second time around she fucked me. I do not mean I just lay there with her on top – I mean she told me what to do, how to do it, when to do it, in order to please her. She kept begging, “don’t come yet, please don’t come yet”! She was the one getting her kicks! After twenty minutes of this I finally had to shoot my load, but she still made me carry on for another five to try and get her to climax. I am not sure if she did or not, but boy knowing she enjoyed the fuck as much as if not more than you is quite a buzz!
Anyway, while hanging out together, this girl told me a lot about how it works. Her rate was R$250. Possibly R$50 less if she liked the guy (hence usually in follow up meetings) or R$50 more if she thought she could get away with it. In her opinion that was the top end of the price range in Help, but she could ask for it as she was clean and not on drugs, young and hence not haggard, and could speak English. Do not underestimate this – knowing how to communicate what you want etc is very important to the whole experience. She was worth every single cent! And more.
Generally most of my mates paid between R$200 and $250 as well. Also, if you go with the girl again on another occasion, provided you treated her OK first time around, you will usually get the price down a little. One had two black Brazilian girls for R$300 (but no lesbo action), while another had one for R$200 with a loads of lines of coke thrown in! On another occasion, these girls that had taken quite a fancy to our group begged us to come back to theirs for their friend’s birthday party. They were not all that looking so we kept refusing and they even went as far as throwing money on the table to my friend saying they’ll pay us for the orgy!!
The theory goes that prices are for the whole night, but in reality these women are only thinking a few hours tops. And generally us men just burn out too soon and let them go once we’ve done our business. That is why do not drink too much! You want to get the best out of the experience. When I was with the lesbian I was hammered and came only once and I was in out of the hotel in a couple of hours. But on the other occasions I was more sober, and we were at it all night, only slept two or three hours, and even had breakfast together.
If you treat them well, these girls will happily stay with you for the whole night, hence adding to the experience of it just being a normal one-night stand. But if you cannot, they will finish with you (politely of course) and be back at Help for another round!
So back to more helpful facts. Get to Help at around 11PM to midnight. In fact do your warming up drinking in there – drinks only cost R$5 (except Vodka Red Bulls which are R$17!). That way you get to see all the girls and have first choice on them, flirt with them, have a feel up and generally build up your anticipation. Even if you find the girl you are going to spend the whole night with early on, don’t rush off straight away – have a dance with her, get a bit naughty in the club – it all adds to the sensation.
Stay in Copocabana. It is the liveliest area, is close to Help, has the best beach with some extraordinary women there, and is quite safe. But if you choose a five star hotel beware their strict policy on getting women in. You must have a single room, and the girl must be under 21 and have her id so that she can be signed in, and she must be presentable in front of other hotel guests (i.e. not revealing half her body). We were in the Rio Atlantico, which only allowed women between 11PM and 5AM. This place is notorious as the worst hotel for allowing female company up to your room so avoid it (although it has a brilliant roof pool terrace overlooking the whole of Copocobana.
Stay at the Othon. I hear it is equally good (5 star), more accepting of hookers, and the beach section straight in front of it is where you can pick hookers up during the day.
There are other places that I can describe, like Barbarella’s, but in my opinion these are just your average strip joint/brothel. Barabrella’s is actually the “best strip joint in town” according to an ex-pat out there, but the girls can be expensive (R$400+) and when compared to Help it is a lot seedier, darker lit and generally not as much fun. Even the famous Termas throughout Rio are very clinical in comparison to the natural backdrop of Help.
Finally, just to show off about how we went-out on this holiday – we had a massive “P Diddy / Dr Dre MTV video style” party where we hired the whole tenth floor of a top quality sex-motel for a massive orgy. The main suite had a dancefloor, swimming pool, jacuzzi, steam room, two showers, two double beds, TVs, music systems, bars and sofas. It was fucking amazing. On the rest of the floor were another 7 rooms just as well equipped. Phenomenal women everywhere in their bikinis, dancing and partying with us for the whole day. We just went around with permanent hard-ons (and trust me you want to invest in some Viagra for this sort of party) just hopping from one girl to the other. All the time there was someone fucking in the shower, or in the jacuzzi, or the pool, while being snapped away on camera. For my part a memory forever will be one girl dirtily saying in my ear while dancing with me that she and her fit friend wanted a threesome, and then walking into a bedroom suite w! ith these amazing girls and a bottle of champagne in each of my arms. What went on in that room for the next half hour is only for a privileged few ears!!
If anybody is interested in such a party I can arrange this for you. Guaranteed beautiful women, guaranteed you will come just seeing the place. For more info, mail: I_want_Help_in Rio@yahoo.com
Def:
Thanks for posting all the great info, brotha. Just got finished reading your last post. I'm heading back to Dom Republic for the third time this year with my crew...yeah..I know its no comparison to Rio ..but we gotta start somewhere. Anyway..I'm usually the one doing all the planning when we take trips so the fellas have been talking about heading down there this coming Feb for Carnival. Some people say its better to go on the off season , non-event schedule..what you think? I'm not on here all the time and I post once in a blue moon but I'll continue to check for a reply..In the meantime..I'll go pick up a book on the Portuguese languange. Thanks. One.
Skyjuice
NYC
1) Can someone comment about the difference in Brazilian women (non pros and pros in Rio) during "Carnival" versus the non-Carnival season?
and
2) Which city (Rio or Sao Paulo) is hotter for Brazilian women during "Carnival" and during the non-Carnival season?
Thanks
Hi Guys:
Heading to Rio this weekend and thinking of hitting up some prives (these are bordellos right?). Could anyone out there recommend one or two in the zona sul? By the way, thanks tomb for the guide, I'm sure it'll be a great help!
Skyjuice and RicoBid:
Rio, during Carnaval, is drunken chaos, Imagine Mardi Gras in New Orleans x 1,000,000. Honestly, a lousy time for the pro action. On the other hand, pre-AIDS, the sky was the limit for non-pro action... why do you think everyone goes there? The parades? Nope.. there was literally sex with strangers in the middle of the street. Again,operative word is WAS. Things are a bit more careful now. The place for wild sex is (and always has been) the big carnaval "balls" "baile de carnaval" - Vermelho e Preto, Scala, Clube Nautico, Metropolitan, Concurso das Panteras, Sírio e Libanes, Monte Líbano, Noite em Bagdad (notice the arab theme here). Old days... couples dancing while fucking... these days, more discretion, they do it in the corners and on tables. Some of these (Vermelho e Preto, Nautico, Panteras) have a reputation for being wilder than others (and some are predominantly gay.. Noite G and Gala Gay being the most famous), you'll have to ask around. To get in, youjust buy a ticket, which can get expensive - US$50-100 is typical for a "good" baile, but it's easy to find cheaper and way more expensive. Ingeneral the prices are there to set the tone of the crowd - more expensive keeps out the "riff-raff." As a hobbiest, you want middle-class wives out for a fling and little daddy's girls out for the same, so the fifty to a hundred-dollar range is about right, but remember to ask around. It's all strictly non-pro action.... and portuguese will help a LOT. Anyway, this is all very nice very good, but do you feel like competing with 1,000 other drunken tourists for every piece of ass around? And sweaty public quickie sex is not really my thing, dunno about you. In general ,the non-pros are a LOT more promiscous during Carnaval, everyone is in a party mood, any bar or street corner is a pick-up spot. "Romance do Carnaval" - carnaval fling, "Sem alianca ate Quarta-Feira" - Wedding band comes off untill Ash Wednesday, Ninguem eh casado no Carnaval", No-one is married at Carnaval... those old sayings still hold true.
However, as I noted before, Carnaval is chaos, and you will be just another tourist face in the crowd (and competing with a lot of carioca guys too!). If you are going to Rio for the girls, and not for Carnaval itself (the parties, the music, the sambodromo), then IMO, you are really better off going there sometime else. Mid-October untill Mid-December and after Carnaval until Mid-March is best (again, in my opinion), it's not high summer, so the prices are reasonable, but the weather is still great. March to October is fine also, but it's raining more often than not and it can get cool - 60F - not that there aren't some good beach days in between (Cariocas define the weather as one of two states - "Got Beach" "Don't Got Beach" - Da Praia/Nao da praia). Anyway, it's still fine weather for our INDOOR activities....
Enjoy!
Tom B.
shtupp:
Rio is not really known for "prives," the famous Termas are the way to go. Of course, they they are mostly in Gloria, which is near the Centro.. downtown.... ten taxicab minutes from Copacabana. However, it does have some "*****houses" both on the very high side (for millionares only) and on the very trash side (old buildings where the offices are rented out to low-class *****s). Send me your tips when you figure out how an ordinary joe like me can get into the millionare's clubs. I'd stay the hell out of the downtown "prives". In between are the "saunas"... nice for a quick fuck without all the pretense of the Termas (no silly little robes). They'll proabaly give you a massage first (basically it's the same setup as a "massage parlor" here in the States), but then they'll get down to business (no hand-relax bullshit). Recomended (for pretty girls, not the ambience!):
STELLAS MASSAGENS
No time limits on the girls, 20 good-looking girls total.
Santa Luzia 405/4º/507. 2510-4280/ 2510-3297.
HOLLYWOOD MASSAGENS
Rua Carioca, 59/5º andar. 2215-5737/ 2517-0171. Closed Sundays. 20 girls total, used to have a twofer special (two girls, price of one).
Should cost you around US$20-$30 per session. Nice, fast-food sex. Neither is in Zona Sul.... dunno if there are any "casas" in ZOna Sul, maybe in Barra. Most sex activity, except for the stuff for tourists in Copacabana, is near downtown, for obvious reasons. Also, any of the usual excort sites that say "Temos Apartamento" or "Temos Prive" is a prive for all pratical purposes.... Karla Models (www.karlamodels.com.br) is recomended and has their own rooms (R$50 for the room), but you may as well take out. If you call them while you are in Zona Sul, they will send around a girl with their "book", you can check it out, talk it over with the girl (who's really available?), get your girl and take her to a motel. Karla's is located in Tijuca, a residential neighborhood just beyond the Reboucas Tunnel.. basically on the other side of Corcovado Mountain.. a good neighborhood if you want to go there. All the choices of a *****house, but none of the aggravation. Of course, speaking some portuguese will help a lot...
Then again, there's always Villa Mimosa (near downtown),but that's another story...... ;-)
Tom B.
Does Help open everyday of the week?
If so, are there many chicks every single day or is there a big difference between weekdays and the weekend?
I'm planning my first trip and I prefer to know what to expect in advance...
Thanks
Ken_Apples
10-22-02, 22:33
A Question for The experienced Rio-mongers ;)
Hi folks, Beeing an experienced Asian Monger (Thailand, Cambodia), I now seek advice from you experienced Rio-guys out there.
Question:
Where to go, to find the most drop-dead beauty´s in rio ??
("money dosen´t means tonight..." , well, they do, but the expression makes it easier to explain what kind of girls I´m looking for here... ;)
So if anyone of you fellows out there got any tips or idea where to go - please leave me an answear, it would help me alot.
Thanks in advance, Ken_apples
Lovetodoyou
10-23-02, 03:13
I am going to Rio on Nov 18 to Dec 3. I have never been to Brazil. I would like advice on air passes. Or the best way to fly to the falls and amazon. These are 3 places I would like to see. Does anyone have or know of a site that has reviews of woman in Rio? Any websites of thermas and picture of the woman? Any additional advice is welcome. Thanks
Anybody know if the termas will be open this sunday with the election going on? I know some like centaurus aren't open anyways, but solarium usually is. Also, which days of the week are best to go to the termas, ie best ratio of garotas to fregueses (men)
Could somebody explain to me how this whole "book" thing works. I guess I'm pretty ignorant of the ways of call-girl services and there are a few honeys I wouldn't mind checking out. I promise I'll give a detailed trip report when I return :)
shtupp:
The "book" is pretty simple - it's just a book of girl's photos. However, as opposed to the Internet sites, where the girls don't want their faces shown all over the 'Net, in the book you see faces. More importantly, you have someone who's showing you the book who you can ask if this or that girl is really any good and if she is actually available. So that's it, no big deal really.
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I think some people who are reading this are getting confused. These "books" belong to individual escort agencies, clinicas, or *****houses. You go to the house, they show you their book (a very rare exception to this scheme, Karla's Models in Tijuca will send a receptionist girl over to YOU with the book.. sometimes). This is not some kind of secret, general guide. This is just a cheapo version of the line-up of girls (cattle-call) that *****houses USED to have in the good-old days (I think that the joints in Thailand, Phillipines, etc still do this). As I said, nothing special.
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As for the termas on election day, I've never tried to go on an election day, but everything that serves alcohol is closed by law, so I'd assume that the termas are closed. Of course, it's questionable if the electorate really makes any better decisions sober than they do drunk, but that's another story.
What days of the week are best? Again, I haven't done an extensive survey of Rio termas, but ifit's anything like the rest of Brazil, I'd assume that earlier in the week is best, Thursday and Friday are very crowded and weekends are pretty dead (no girls or clients). Many hobbiests have reported that 3ish to around 7ish is the best time to go on any given day, any earlier and there are no girls, any later and it starts fillignup with Brazilina businessmen. Makes sense and fits in with my experience elsewhere, but YMMV.
reconscout: call BACC (1-800-BACCRIO) about the brazil airpass, depending on what you want to do, it may or may not be worth it. Generally it's not worth it for only two extra cites.
Enjoy!
Tom B.
Once again, thanks tomb. You are truly showing yourself to be an expert in this hobby!
Regarding Help and termas in Rio.
Help is open every day of the week. Sunday night is the slowest night but still plenty of garotas. Amazingly Rio is the slowest during the weekend fri to sun.
Expect Barbarella to be 1/2 empty on fri and sat and 3/4 empty on sun.
Help is very busy on Sat. as several terma garotas show up for work.
Downtonw termas are opened mon thru fri (4x4, 65, rio antigo, aeroporto).
Centaurus in Ipanema is open mon thru sat but sat may not be a good day to go.
Solarium now is open every day of the week, opening at 14:00 on sat and 16:00 on sun.
As for Copa termas, Luomo is open every day at 16:00 and Monte Carlo is open mon thru Sat. On sat it closes early at midnight.
Termas is a MUST if you go to Rio. Try at least Solarium, 4x4, Centaurus and Luomo.
As for drop dead garotas, my experience is you never know where you will find them. It is possible to fine 10's in termas, at Help, at Barbarella, at escort agencies, at the beach.
Typically finding a 10 is not easy as you need luck but expect to score 10% of 10's. Each terma should have several 8's, 9's and maybe 1 or 2 10's. Barbarella couple of 10's. Help with luck 1 or 2. It also depends on time of year. Best imho is nov to april, avoiding Carnaval, Xmas and New Year. But termas will get the job done any time of the year.
Athos and company:
Just a cultural note: weekends are slow for mongering throughout Brazil, not just Rio. The reason is pretty simple - on weekends most guys are with their wives, girlfriends, fiancees, mistresses, etc.. It's kind of hard to say "Honey, I've got to work late tonight" on a Saturday. Likewise, the pro's have families, boyfriends, and husbands too, so the weekends is when they see them. Remember, most of the pro scene, even in Rio, is for locals and not tourists. Not to worry though, there is still a lot of action on the weekends, and the girls will be twice as happy to see you. besides which , many of the thermas girls free-lance on the weekends.....
There used to be one big exception... Sunday afternoons (at least untill 10 years ago). All the football (soccer) games used to be on Sunday afternoon, so there was a lot of "Honey, I'm going to the stadium with the guys" and then everybody heads straight for the nearest puteira. Of course, you had to be damn sure that you knew what the score and the highlights of the game were (Brazilian wives watch fooball too)! All the puteiras had TV' s and the receptionists kept track of the games so that you could get your story straight before going home.... Of course, that was then, about 10 years ago the Brazilian Football Federation started scheduling games all over the week (not to mention that more women started going to the games) and the traditional Sunday afternoon fuck went the way of the W-M formation. :(
Smile!
Tom B.
P.S> Athos, are you in Rio right now?
Ken_Apples
10-24-02, 17:35
Thank you Athos and Tomb! - you guys know this! :)
According to your answears, there are some places that I will have the pleasure to take a clooser look at ;)
Just to refine my question, and to make shure that we are talking about the same thing, i would like to explain what I mean by a "beautifull" woman.
The body: Really Slim stomache, and medium size breast, nice medium hips and a brown/light brown skincolour.
(the kind of girl you find on the cover of the newspaper "Sports Illustrated", or the kind of girl you would call a "fitness" girl.)
face: Dark hair with a nice white smile, and sparling happy eyes.
(In this matter, I´m not going for the platina-blone style - I'll find the so called Pamela Andersson look a like closer to me, here in Europe ;)
So, after this refinement - would you have any special advice for me. - Thanks in advance, and thanks again for the earlyer ansvear. - You guys rocks! ;)
Oh, almost did forgot - is there any "silicone-boobs" pamela andersson type of girl to get in rio, if I would like to change girltype, for once in a while ?? :)
Tomb
No I am not in Brazil yet, my trip is from Nov 16 to Nov 30. Wish I was though.
Ken_Apples
Garotas in Brazil, you get all the colors shades from completely black to completely white. Usually mixed but yes there seems to be a racial divide between hangouts.
Termas are more caucasian dominated, maybe 10% blacks. So expect lots of blondes and morenas, I'd say 1/2 and 1/2.
At Barbarella, same thing except no blacks like 0, 2/3 brunettes and morenas, 1/3 blondes.
At Help on the other hand, it is dominated by blacks so expect 2/3 blacks and mulattas, 1/3 caucasian.
Brazileiras on general do not go for silicone so expect all natural. They all have great bodies well 80% of them so the face is what separates the 6's and 7's from the 8's and 9's.
You can find swimsuit models in Brazil. Expect rounded butt, flat tummies, no fat...no fat.
Athos & tomb, thanks a lot for your knowledgeable advice.
In my first trip, I'll concentrate my hunting operations on Help, SW's and beach pussies, but I may also try termas.
Centaurus is quite well documented in this forum, and in my opinion it's overpriced: I don't need to get a 12-hour flight to pay those rates, I can find top chicks in Europe for that price, so Centaurus is out of the question.
What about the other termas that you mentioned (Solarium, 4x4, Luomo & Monte Carlo)? What are the current rate/time ratio there?
Also, can you recomend any good discos to pick up non-pros? What are the best places for non-pro action in Rio?
i'm looking for some info from someone currently in rio. i read on another board that prices for taxi's, food, and drink have started to go up. it was only a matter of time as the real is losing gound on the dollar. can any of the rio regulars verify this?
Gladiator
Centaurus is R290 which includes entrance, 40 min cabin with garota
Solarium will be under 200R, but wed and sun entrance is 30R higher because of swing couples but they may reduce session price, not sure.
4X4 is the cheapest 150R for one hour cabin.
65 is about 200R
Luomo and Monte Carlo the same under 200R maybe 170R total.
You're making a big mistake if you do not stop by any terma.
Help will not compare favorably unless you get real lucky.
For picking non pros. I am not much of a reference but I keep hearing of the boate The Bedroom.
I thought selection was tremendous at Zona Sul mall, right after tunnel as you leave Copa north bound. Selection includes customers and sales garotas. Go for a cheap lunch and enjoy scenery, better looking than puteiras hangout. They have a food court at every level. Supposedly some garotas on the program try to pick up tourists but did not see any.
Better speak Portuguese if you wish to go after non pros.
Chingon:
As athos wrote, for non-pro action, you need to have at least SOME portuguese. Shop girls are probably your best bet, the mall he mentioned is called "Rio-Sul", another good one is the "Barra Shopping" down in Barra da Tijuca. You don' thave to go to a mall either, any commercial street is bound to have some honeys (but you'd better have the gift of gab - at least enough to say "honey, can you help me, I'm a poor little lost American...", etc. etc.) Remember that Copacabana is only a very small part of Rio, and it' s well known for international mongerers like you and me (it's also considered a run-down and older section of Zona Sul). The average girl in Rio has NO interest in 'mongerers, so you'd better disassociate yourself as much as possible from Copacabana. If the weather is good there is plenty of non-pro action along the beaches, Arpoador and the left-hand side of Ipanema, along with Pepino have all the surf bunnies thanks to a half-decent point break. Leblon and Ipanema are the main beaches to be seen at for the Cariocas, Barra is the "suburban" beach (the Barra neighborhood is the equivalent of the Valley for L.A., same kind of chicks, same mentality, even has the rio equivalent of Val-talk). Personally, my favorite Rio beach for hanging out is Pepino (it's where the hang gliders land), it's a good mix of surf chicks, university girls, not too many tourists, and you've got the Barra babes coming east and Ipanema babes heading west. On the other hand, you also have the Rocinha favela about 1/2 mile behind it, so be careful (petty, jack your shit off your beach blanket thievery, no real danger). Also, don't e fraid to go downtown during the day, there are plenty of funky colonial streets, and they all have shops, etc. And don't forget the "botiquim" - street corner bars - they are the main hangout for everybody in Rio.
Dunno about the current "hot" discos, they change almost weekly. Ask around when you get there - in fact it's a great pick up line - "what's the hottest disco in Rio nowadays? Can I tak e you there tonight?" etc. Rio is well-known for clubbing, hopping from place to place al night long - any day of the week. Once you hook up with a crowd, off you go!
Athos: Yeah, I've been where you are before -staring at the calendar, wishing the days would go faster (and then geting to Brazil and wishing they'd go a lot slower). I want to be a byatch about one thing that I keep seeing on these forums - girls "on the program". It actually sounds kind of cool, liek there's some kind of mysterious society of *****s out there, but you guys are misinterpreting "garota de programa" and I'm pain-in-the-ass enough make an issue out of it. ;-) "Programa" is slang for a scheduled date, or even just an appointment - as in program=schedule. As in "I've got a programa tonight" - I'm going on a date. "I'm programmed this weeknd" (programado) - I'm busy, schedule is full. "Me and the guys are programming a swing by the Termas", "Hey babe, can I program you for dinner?" etc. etc. So "garota de programa" means "scheduled date girl" I still like reading "on the program"/"off the program" the way you guys write it, but don't mis-understand "programa" when you hear it in other contexts. OK, pendatic byatch mode off. ;-)
Tom B.
P.S. I dont' understand why we can't use "language" in a forum that is about fucking for pay? Who's going to get fucking offended? ;-) Whatever.. I'm not the webmaster, and I'm always very grateful to him for his hard work in keeping this place going.
TomB
I was always mystified by the term girls on the program but on my last Rio trip, one garota used the exact term of being on the program. By that I meant to understand girls who work as prostitutes. They probably would rather be called girls on the program then prostitutas I guess.
How do you Mongers take the pictures of the girls in the rooms of the termas',do you sneak a small camera in the pocket of your robe?is it not allowed to take pictures of the girls in the termas. also when you call a escort agency,is it a good idea to use the phone in your hotel room or is that to expensive or should use a pay phone or rent a cellphone?and when you call agencies if you do not speak portuguese is that going to be a big problem communicating to agencies. I am planning my first trip to Rio and need useful info. Thanks to all that can help with info..
Can you meet girls in the termas some are taking blowjobs with condom?or are every girls in the termas do without?
Thank you for all that info on the other termas and the non-pro action tips.
I think I'll pay a visit to Solarium, 4x4, Monte Carlo and Luomo. Are all of them in Copacabana? Where are they exactly located? What time do they usually open?
Thanks in advance.
athos:
Well. of course they'd rather be called "garota de programa" than "prostituta", "meretriz", "puta", "piranha", etc.... Also I don't want this to degenerate into a comparative-linguistics forum, but the word "programa" in portuguese simply does not have the mean of "program" the way we use it in English, as in "regimen." If this girl said "I'm on the program" in English, she must have been having some linguistic confusion about English (the best portuguese-english screwup I ever heard was a student of mine who went to Miami and asked for "a big Cock", when all she wanted was a large Coke..... and yes, I used to teach ESL, a long time ago in a galaxy far away). What girls do euphemistacly call "the program" is "a vida" - the life. Entrou na vida = got into the life and Saiu da vida = Left the life, used exactly the same way you guys are saying on and off "the program". "Garota da vida" is yet another way to say GP.
OK, enough hair-splitting!
Nordboer: Some with, some without, but from my understanding most with.
T-rex: No problem calling from your hotel room. Yeah, they probably charge more than th street, but so what? It's still reals. Not speaking portuguese will be a problem. Get a phrasebook, and/or write down what you want to say beforehand. A cellphone can be useful i fyou want people to be able to contact YOU (incoming calls are free for you), otherwise I think it's just as easy to use a payphone when your runnig around, jus tmake sure to have a phonecard.
Tom B.
"blame it on rio"
just back from 6 days in rio. man was it awesome had 10 girls in 6 days.. (i speak little spanish and no portuguese).
day 1 (sun 20-oct-2002)
got off the airport .. changed some min $ to real in the no commission window and asked information for real omnibus at the tourist information at the airport ... they pointed me to the outside ... where a girl in blue uniform was waiting ... she did not understand english but the tourist info lady wrote down what it says on the front of the bus .. some thing with ava... when i gave the name of my hotel.. 5 real for the bus .. and told the conductor to drop me at hotel debret...
make sure u tell him before hand where u want to get off .. one japanese guy was screwed because he did not communicate properly and the conductor does not understand english either.
used maps provided in lonely planet brazil travel guide (btw i recommend the book) ... to make sure i did not get into the problems the japanese guy got into.
the bus use ave atlantica st but rua barrata reberio which is a 5 min walk to the hotel.
saw help and mea pataca on the way. help looked kind of small and mea pataca was a small restaurant with a kind of shaded roof with tables and where girls hang out..
the room in debret was small and the toilet was kind of loose.. can compare to motel 6 in the us or worse.. but it served my purpose of looking at the beaches and help..
walk around the beach and mea pataca ... was not impressed with mea pataca so never got in there
"help" (20 real entrance)
went into help at around 12.00 pm ... was a mid sized disco compared to some discos i have been to in us.. the girls were kind of ave compared to adelita bar. was kind of getting desperate (big mistake) and frustrated at having spent so much and seeing such a shitty scene.. waited until 2.30 pm and found a girl who was kind of 7 who actually spoke english(another big mistake) i though i would have a good time as we could communicate , turned out this girl had visited us and studying architecture ... was a kind of ***** ... she was asking for 300real , tried bargaining but did not seem to work and i was kind of getting desperate so took her to the room ... paid debret hotel 30 real to take the girl...
once in the room the girls shows her true colors ... "no kissing no bj" ... says skin has peeled from face so she cannot kiss, it hurts... any ways have a really ave sex ... but talk to her for a while and she sleeps over... promises a picture in the morning but runs always in the morning before i could take a picture.
p.s kind of better to pick up girl out side help in the adjoining restaurant where they wait until 12.00 - 2.00 am.. never tried it though but generally the better looking girls never seemed to reach inside..
day 2 mon..
walked around in the beach and went to sugar loaf .. took the local bus ... 1.30 real ... pretty good and safe ride. took the trolley all the way up for 26 real... great view of copacabana and botofogo beaches.
(note all thermas are fixed price)
"aeroporto thermas" (50 entrance 50 room 100 girl + drinks) 40 min session more for 1 hr but i never tried it
go to aeroporto thermas... in the evening ... walk into the shower ,sauna, take a shower and wear robes and walk around.. all the girls were sitting on the chairs ... so had a hard time looking at their shapes... pick a girl around 6-7 ... sit and kiss outside for 30-40 min ... while she is playing with my thing... finally we go to the room gives bare back bj and kiss and then sex ... have a great time and come in 10 min (never happened before).
take pic of girls can't post sorry should respect their privacy.
"barberella" (50 real entrance 2 free national or 1 internation drink)
at around 10.30 pm head to barberella on ave princess isabella.. girls are great with strip show . find a girl steffi graf look alike with great figure ... she invites friend over and we have a great time kissing .. so i decide to take 2 girls back.. (big mistake ) .. bargain to 400 real ... ask for cheque ... the waiter comes with 150 real ... i am mad i never had any thing that exp... goes 50 for entrance and 50 , 50 for drinks i got for each of the girls (big lie i got 2 drinks but 1 was from my quota)... then i start arguing , another waiter speaking eng says the 100 is for bar fine for 2 girls.. i know i am getting ripped but i have not had sex with 8 plus since getting to rio so say what the heck tell the girls i will pay only 350 real for both
pay 150 and take the girls back to debret.. but the guys says no to 2 girls..
find another hotel where the girls talk in portuguese and screw me to pay 200 real.
kind of average 2 girls session .. with one girl acting like a *****... but one was really nice.
total for 2 girls 350+200(hotel)+150(bar fine) 700 real.
take pic of girls can't post sorry should respect their privacy.
finally decide i should only use the thermas as they are more organized ... and feels safer..
day 3 tue
leave debret hotel ... looked around was impressed with copacabana rio near rua barrata reberrio and rua san fransisco. look at copa pria hostel (kind of 10 min walk to beach) and decide to make it my new hood as i was sticking to thermas.
"monte carlo" thermas. (40 entrance , 30 room cabin, 100 girls) 40 min session more for 1 hr but i never tried it
pick another average looking girl 6-7 and kiss for 1 1/2 hour in the bar and go to room. and have great sex bare back bj ... take picture of girls ...
meet lot of new people at the hostel ... have a good time as they show me the place and the food to eat etc... , room are kind of shitty but who is in the room while in rio.
day 4 wed (rest day no xes oops sex)
"centaurus thermas" (90 + 60 + 140)
kind of expensive but all girls are great. just pay entrance look around and decide to use patience for the 1st time and skip sex.
go to maracana stadium fluminese v/s gois ... see romario score 2 goals.. 2nd goal in 2nd half when the team played with 10 players good game , bad refereeing always against fluminese ,but poor defense results in last min goal from gois and game ends in 2-2 draw. 35 real guided tour from hotel.
day 5 thu
monte carlo
had seen some stunners the previous visit so go back ... find a girl great figure ... 8 + kiss around for 1 hr and then go to room and have great sex for 40 min... take pictures of girl.
come down... and seem some more good looking girl and start kissing the girl about 7 ... and she invites friend 8+ and we do some double kissing down.... decide to take 2 girls ... and have great sex but cannot have orgasm ... may be all spend out..
(total 300 $r for 3 girls) take pic of girls.. but surprise the girls take my pic too .. kind of scary.
day 6 fri
l'ouma.. thermas (20 entrance some discount normal 40 real , 30 room cabin, 100 girl)
close to hostel walking distance
pick a 8+ girl ... kiss for 1 hour and go to room ... good sex for 40 min with bareback bj. take pic
come out see another girl down who looks like cameroon diaz .. tell her i want to see her tomorrow..
have a great night at la pa .. take the bus with a whole bunch of folks from hostel and a local guy whom we met there.. drink all night as its the last night for every body coming along ... it felt like bourbon street in new orleans ... sleep at 5 am in the morning after partying all night
day 6 sat last day sigh....
l'ouma
go back to l'ouma thermas... and find the girl (cameroon diaz look alike) waiting .. kiss for 40 min and the girl sees me take viagara and skips out. go back and pick one ever better looking blonde... and man have the best sex to the trip ... what a great ending.. take pic ..
come back and take a cab to the airport 40 real..
summary
rio is great... i had a safe trip ... but other had some diff experiences .. did not seem as risky as has been advertised. walk around with confidence and u will be safe..
one guy from the hostel found a working girl who let him have sex for free.
all girls let me take pic except the first one who was the worst ***** any way more like adelita kind of girl..
thermas do not allow to take pic but the girls will allow inside rooms.. so keep it quite... when u do take them.
did 10 girls in 6 days spend 2500 real...
used credit card every where to withdraw cash .. take both m/c and visa if u have them... some banks take only visa and other only mastercard.. blockbuster in copacabana has citibank and take both..
most atm are always out of money and we can only use selected one with visa/mc markings.. i used visa and used banco basil which is all over the place ... u might have to go though more than one banco brasil and the atm have no money but they are all over the place.
most of the time i spend less than 7-8 real for food ... had all kind of juices...
try acai juice made from amazonian fruit.
make sure u try muarios resteruant on av atlantica .. have sea food buffet for 60 real but worth it... best sea food in town... big lobsters ... prawns ... pallea .... the list goes on...
rio is 10 times better than tijuana... makes tj look like a rip off
can't wait to go back... may be longer next time.
Solarium is located on rua seabra 21, other side of Lagoon, 10 min taxicab from copa
4X4 is in centro, rua buenos aires 44, 15 min taxicab
Luomo is on Siqueiro Lemos in Copa, 4 min ride
Monte Carlo is on hilario de Gouveia 19 also in Copa, 4 min ride
Centaurus is in ipanema, rua canning 44, 3 min by taxicab
Other termas with lesser selection:
Rio Antigo in Gloria, terma 65 in centro rua rosario 65, Aeroporto by local airport.
Terma over 90% bbbj, Barbarella hit and miss I'd say 50% bbbj, Help depends in garota but chances are good too for bbbj.
I know I am going to get blasted for asking this but...
Is it possible to line up a "Girlfriend" for a long weekend?
I am thinking about taking a long weekend to Rio (I have never been). I want one girl (who will do anything, anything) for the entire time. Dinner, dance, sightsee, shop , plus all the good stuff.
I would have to get someone to set it up (maybe one of the guides) so that I would get what I am looking for in a girl (fun, speaks english, knows the city, looks great, etc, etc). Any idea what this would cost??
Any suggestions????
Thanks in advance, from a rookie to the international scene.
Matt:
No blasting. I myself like to have one "sure thing" rather than running around like crazy. Then again, maybe I've jsutbeen married for too long.... ;-)
My now infamous Rio Callgirl Guide includes some girls that are good for a LT setup. Can't remember the names off the top of my head (Deborah Gaucha and Flavia, I think), but they're on the list. Send me email at tombNOSPAM@simarchitectNOSPAM.com (wothout the NOSPAM, of course) and I'll send it to you.
Prices? Roughly $100/day plus food, some presents really should do it. But.... on the one hand some girls will try and quote you MUCH higher (their usual hourly rate multiplied by 24 hours, for instance), some girls (very rare) will actually be worth that, on the other hand lots of girls will be happy to hang out with you for the day for "free" if they like you. It all depends.... this can turn into a very long discussion (which I don't have time for right now),but depending exactly what you are looking for, you may be better off spending one day "hunting" for your perfect girl rather than trying to set it up beforehand. And, most improtantly, you WILL need decent portuguese - both to hunt and to be able to do anything besides grunt with these girls. They generally not the brightest bulbs in town (otherwise they wouldn't be working on their backs), so don't expect them to have the wherewithall to bridge the language gap. I'm pretty sure Deborah Gaucha speaks English though. Again, email me a bit more about what you are looking to do (or post it here) and I'll see what I can think up.
Enjoy!
Tom B.
Thanks tomb.
I will e-mail you.
Tom have you some info about this 'Agencia de accompanhantes' www.desejo.com.br (Agencia Corpus)....i don't know where it's located as they from what i see don't speak about it on their website but many girls seems to be high quality !! ...but are they reliable ? (in January i leave for a two monthes trip which will surely include, apart from 'to do' towns, Goiania, did you notice on the sex guide brasilian web site some reports on the boites of this town ??
Thanks in advance Tom
Pro
Pro:
Unfortunately, Agencia Corpus is a well-known rip-off. Avoid them like the plague. The girls the guy has there don't even know that they are on the site, he's ripped off model's photos from all over the place and posted them to his page (it's a one-man show). When you call, he sends over whatever girl he can get from calling other agencies - i.e. he doesn't even have his own "stable", but charges you about twice what normal agencies do because you think that you are getting a "model". To add insult to injury, lately he has been insisting on getting a credit card number or wire transfer beforehand and then sending you nothing.....
BTW, the scammer's name is Sarkis Calaigian, and he uses the alias João Paulo, so if you ever see any of these two names, run!
Answering some of your other questions, the so-called agency is in Sao Paulo. I know that by the phone number - (011) is the area code for Sao Paulo. (021) is the area code for Rio. Another interesting thing to be gleaned from the phone number is that it's a cell phone - all Brazilian cell phone numbers start with a 9. (corpus # is (011) 9621-7700). Now, you'd expect a callgirl to be using a cell phone, but an agency?!? Never. Also, you'd expect an agency with a website to have a mailing adress that uses their own domain-name... corpus uses uol.com for their mailing address, which is the brazilian equivalent of aol or hotmail - easy anonymity. On the other hand, you'll see a lot of sites with an hpg.com.br domain.. that's Ok, hpg is the equivelant of geocities, except thay are porn-friendly. You can take these as some general tips on how you can tell if an on-line agency is reputable or not.
Lastly, corpus is really showing some beautiful, model-quality girls (and if it sounds to good to be true, it usual isn't). You CAN get models and actresses "for hire" in Brazil (same as anywhere else), but they NEVER advertise on the Internet, for obvous reasons - it would kill their career. If you are looking for top-shelf in Sao Paulo, and you don't want to go to Club W, Photo (no longer as good as it used to be), or Bahamas, here's the number to call: (011) 37723972, ask for "Jota" - pronounced DJAW-tah - dunno if he speaks English though. He can also email you a "packet" of his girls' photos, 22Mb's worth, but he charges up front, about US$20. His email is apep@webcable.com.br. As for the agency being in Sao Paulo, if you're going to spend model-type money US$500 and up, you may as well fly them over from Sao Paulo, the air ticket is only $75 or so, and there are flights every half-hour. It's done all the time, in both directions. That's about what you'd spend just to step in to the high-end clubs in Sao Paulo, so it's really a wash.
As for Goiania, I haven't seen any reports, but I'll ask around. Here in the States, I've been running into a lot of Goianas recently, and they are suprisingly pretty and fun to bounce around (understand that Goias is the Brazilian equivalent of Arkansas... the hick middle of nowhere). So you should be in for a lot of fun, once you figure out the scene there.
Tom B.
Tom thanks for the advice about this rip off !!!!
...about Goiania yes i heard this was a place still very 'brasilian' and known as a city where girls are quite pretty ; anyway i think it's worth a visit to check :-) .... i never met a girl from Goiania as here where i live most brasilian girls (there a strong brasilian community) are from Sampa and Curitiba and VERY hard to score.....they loose their 'brasilian spirit' by living in Europe !! shit !!
Pro:
Curitibanas and Paulistas are cold fish in general - a lot of Northern Hemisphere attitudes. Fortunately, the same does not hold true for the working girls there.
Where do you live in Europe with a large Brazilian population? I know that Granada, Spain (lots of cariocas) and Milan, Italy has a relatively large community, but not about anywhere else.
Tom B.
Tom
"where do you live in Europe with a large Brasilian population ? "
Paris........there's really many Brasilian girls leaving here, and at least two or three 'brasiliera festas' each week....but many of these girls are spoiled (not even talking of the Paulistas and Curitibas) by taking the snobish french attitude after few monthes here, even some ex 'garotas de programa' i know who arrived here for unknown reasons (surely some poor fools taking them back to marry or whatever !)......happily the unexpected is always possible ! (there was a festa last night :) :) )
Now back to the purpose of the forum and sorry guys for this personnal digression ! ......keep on the good work
Hi Tomb :
First of all, thanks for all your advices - you surely are an asset to the forum.
I am looking for the same kind of stuff as Matt - I 'm planning to spend to spend a long weekend in Rio (about 4 days) and it would be good to have a 24 hour companion for all kind of activities like sightseeing , going to culbs and the "good stuff", of course . I don't speak much portuguese yet ( Still on Pimsleur - lesson 8 ... ) , but hopefully I'll pick up some before I leave (December 10th).
My question is - how do I meet somebody who speaks some English, is reasonably good looking and will be interested in a 24 hour companionship? I'm below 25 , reasonably ok looking - but the language is a big barrier I guess.
Also, is race a factor in picking up chica's in rio ? I'm hispanic, and i surely look non-white, so will that be a problem?
Texanman, could you put the portuguese pimsleur cds on Kazaa or some other file sharing group?
Texasman
As long as you are groomed, race is not important as far as garotas are concerned.
English is barely spoken by the garotas. They barely understand Spanish which is 80% similar to Portuguese. Instead of looking for an English speaking lady, how about looking for a gorgeous garota who loves to fuck?
PLEASE HELP :)))) Cannot decide!!!!!!
Rio or Argentina B.A. ????? Big question in my head.
I understand that Rio has a beach where you can chill during the day and BA not. But my main concern are WOMEN .
Correct me if I am wrong but Brazil has better butts and shorter women and Argentina has taller chicks , whiter and more European built.
I am looking for faces since bodys are out of this world on these women anyways.
Prices are pretty much the same in both countrys.
I like shapely women in 9-10 category but not willing to pay $200/night I live close to Montreal (Canada) and it is cheaper there.
So please help. I am sure many of readers of this board have been in both countrys and have their own 2 cents to add.
Please advise where women are prettyer and why?
Much appreciate your opinions guys.
Thank you.
Agencies in Rio
Hi all,
there are quite some agencies out there in Rio, Tom B. has mentioned some of them in his report, but not all of them have a rating. In order to avoid rip-offs and save valubale time, I would like your guys opinions on the following agencies:
http://www.milfaces.com
http://www.barravips.net
http://www.companygirl.com.br
http://www.docelibido.com (says will go out of biz)
http://www.intergirls.com.br
http://www.paraisoescort.com
http://www.utopiasex.com
http://www.karlamodels.com.br
http://www.cassiascort.com (website seems dead)
http://www.contatosrio.com
http://www.fetichesonline.net
http://www.chantily.com.br/agenciasrj/lovingirls/
http://www.programasexy.com
http://www.sexysrio.com
http://www.ciaplus.com
http://www.desejosrio.com
http://www.gatasvips.com
http://www.malaguetario.com
http://www.riorelax.com
http://www.escortsrio.com
At the same time much fun with this list ;-)
Chris
Garotas are younger in Rio than in BA, low 20's vs hi 20's.
Brazilian goes from black to caucasian while BA is European flavor.
It is easier to get TLN in BA than in Rio.
Pricing is about the same.
For pretty faces, you will have to do some hunting in both countries.
No Cariocas are much taller than American counterparts. I would never say BA ladies are taller than cariovas as very easy to find ladies in 5'4 to 5'10 range in Brazil.
As far I understand even though i have never been to BA, while in Rio it is easy to find and 8.0, not so in BA. But my friend who told me this is as picky as me. (The truth is it's not even close).
If TLN is a must go for you go to BA, if not go to Rio.
Escort agencies is NOT the way to go in Rio, terma is.
But my experience in Rio for agencies:
Agencia Roberta seems to have ceased to exist but they had a decent book to check, but expensive.
I got the girl I requested twice at CompanyGirl but my friend got a different one the one time he tried.
I got the right girl at Loren's Models but my friend got a different one.
I got the right girl once at FetichOnLine except she was not really the girl in the picture, resemblance so close enough. Another time they sent me an ugly one bait and switch.
TopLiner sent me the right one.
If you are not happy with garota looks, send her back and give her 20R for taxi cab.
The photos are professionally done on web sites so expect full 2 points drop off so make sure to select a 10 to get an 8.
I have to disagree with Athos on some of his points regarding the differences between Buenos Aires and Rio.
It is easier to get TLN ("toda la notche" in Spanish?) in Rio. Perhaps not at Barbarella, where the girls expect to go back to the club to work further, but in Help, certainly. It's almost expected, isn't it? If you get numbers from Terma girls, if they like you, it's pretty much the norm, as well. I found the situation to be much more "business-like" in BsAs, but I only took out women from two clubs (Playwomen and Black). I imagine the Pub scene there is probably very different.
Finding an "8.0" in BsAs is relatively easy, if you go to the right place. I found them easily at the two clubs mentioned above. I didn't seen anything worthwhile, however, in any of the other clubs. I dashed in and out of all of them that I could find, but there wasn't anything worthwhile in most of the places most often mentioned on the BsAs boards - in my estimation. I have ridiculously "high" standards. But, in Playwomen and Black, there were many choices to be made (this, however, was 2 years ago, and things tend to change, no?).
I love Rio. But, I don't find enough variety in the body types there. Yes, they come in all sizes and shapes and colors, but they're still sort of similar in certain ways. You're not likely to find "bosomy" chicks there, that's for sure. Yes, the body-type is more "European" in Argentina. I don't necessarily have a preference, but I do need the variety.
Pretty faces are there in both places, but it is true that there is an age difference. In Rio, in the termas, it's 18-23 commonly. In BsAs, I expect mid to late twenties and beyond.
Regarding the language: although it may help (a little) to speak Spanish in Rio, you'd be well-served to learn Portuguese. In BsAs, the Spanish-speakers are more apt to understand Portuguese than the other way around in Rio. The languages are very similar, but the educational level in Rio is probably far below that of what you'd experience in Argentina. One of the most amazing women I ever met was a 26 year old architecture student who spoke nearly perfect English. You're not likely to find that in the typical Rio pay-for-play scenarios.
I'd be interested, Athos, to hear of your experiences with 'net girls in Argentina. How "representative" are the pictures? I had one (awful) experience in Buenos Aires, and it's discouraged me from trying it again, anywhere. I have a post on the BsAs board relative to this, and I would appreciate your comments.
Regards,
Adam Bomb
Mohtep,
I prefer Rio to BsAs for some of the reasons you mentioned. The beach is key for me. As is the weather. I've only been to Buenos Aires once, but it was almost ruined for me by the weather. Cold and rainy, every day (September 2000). Only in the middle of our winter is it "warm" in BsAs. And, there's no beach. Indeed, I found that there really wasn't that much to do during the daytime. I took a couple of tours, but they weren't very interesting, nor scenic. BsAs is a nice city, but there's nothing spectacular to see there. Rio, on the other hand, has spectacular sights. And, the beach scene is a matter of course every day.
That said, I'm still now making plans to go back to BsAs in December. But, I would never go ONLY there. I'll go there for 4 nights, and then from there to Rio for a week+. There just isn't enough in BsAs to make it worthwhile for more time than that.
None of that addresses, though, the women situation. They are different. Read Athos' and my comments below about those differences. My suggestion is that you go to Rio first. There is more variety, more action, more to do and see, and better weather. You WILL return to Rio, many times. During one of those repeat visits, you can take a side trip to Argentina. Seems the most practical answer to me. This is said UNLESS you are really stuck on the more "european" aesthetic. If you require "only" caucasian-type women, you may be happier in Argentina. Also, if you like "busty" women, Rio will not do it for you.
I cannot say which has "prettier" women. They're just different. I will say this, as well, though: if you go to BsAs, you'll find Brazilian women working there. If you go to Rio, you'll find women who look like they could be Argentinian. It's just a matter of concentration, I suppose.
Here's another consideration: Rio has more variety in the types of situations in which you'll find girls - beach, cafe, termas, Help, boite/club, agency/net, street (not recommended anywhere). In BsAs - it's only cafe, club, agency/net, or street. The "brothel" situation there is very limited, and not near Rio standards.
If you have any other questions, please ask.
Member #1698
11-03-02, 02:47
Hey Mohctep, I live Southwest of Montreal on the US border...and excuse the digression, but where are yr. favourite off-island (local terms) clubs where you can do take-out--I'm not into quickies in the booths at the dix-et-plus bars--and what do you pay for TLN (same in French as in Spanish)...
Back to topic...I've been in Rio 15-20 times since the early 70's but stopped going in the late 90's but still went to nordeste and below Sampa coasts.
One thing I've never heard any mongers talk about/post is the big Q...BBBJ's but of course and ball sucking de rigueur but who all out there wants to give some dteailed experienced about rimming in either Rio or BA, where I'm headed (heh heh) in Feb.-March.
'Cheers, Hh
I have never been to BA but got detailed reports from mongers friends.
There are only 2 web sites in BA that are reliable Platynum and ArgentinaEscorts. But photos are usually older or touched up.
Concerning sexo, garotas have been somewhat spoiled.
Termas is great with over 90% bbbj, Help and Barbarella is hit and miss 50%.
Rimming happens, the best is butt fucking and can happen also once in a while.
I have had the best bbbj's in Rio by far, but my experience is limited to USA and Mexico.
I also have to disagree with Athos. I have been to Brazil multiple times in the last few years and have found that it's fairly easy to get all nighters in Rio.(although I will say that it seemed to have become more of a hit or miss situation the last time I was there in July) As far as the looks of the girls go, Brazilian girls ranges widely. In the termas you will tend to find more loiras and morenas (blondes and brunettes) especially Termas Centauras, 4X4 and 65; whereas at Help disco there is a larger proportion of mulattas.
I have not been to Buenos Aires but will be making the trip during thanksgiving so I'll probably have a better basis of comparision then. I will say though that I have not come across anybody who has been dissappointed with the scene in Rio assuming they know where to go.
As for rimming -- I know it's a little weird to open a discussion about it -- but most of the girls (76) I hooked up with over my 2 month stay in Brasil were willing to do it. Really. Experiences my vary.
Happy Hunting,
JWadd
Hey Guys,
I am new to the group, but not Rio or ***** mongering.
I will be in Brazil between Nov 13th - Dec 4th/2002 and I am looking to rent either an apartment or hotel (in the general area of the club/beach/street action) for around R$50/day (or less) for in each of the following cites:
1.Rio 2.Recife 3. Fortaleza 4. Manaus 5.Curitiba
I will post update to the various cites, when I get back from (or during) my trip (assuming my Brazilian airpass comes through).
I would also like to hook-up with any other "pussy chasers", for drinks, story swapping and skirt chasing. Anyone going to be around in any of the cites above, from Nov 13th-Dec 4th?
Would like to thank everyone for all the great information and tit-bits. It all gold and I like the varying points of view. (IMHO if we all liked the same thing wouldn't that be a bore!!).
Ciao
Antonio
Hi Spidy...
I might be able to help with an apt. in Rio... how long will you be here??
Please look at our web site
www.ez-riorentals.com
I can't help in Recife, Fortaleza, Manaus or Curitiba
kenn
I'll be in Rio, Monday night. And be returning a few more times as well. :)
Of course Help, the popular Boates, and Termas have definitively all been covered well.
Thanks to all the regulars for your great insight.
Since I work on a cruise ship, we want to send all our female staff and friends to regular bars and discos. So they don’t harass us the next morning, if they see us picking up chicks at Help. So can anybody give us a few names of bars and discos so our female colleagues will go there instead of Help.
Thanks.
Viagra?
Hey all, is it possible to get Viagra in Brazil / Rio.
If so: Where, what is the price, any special things to keep in mind?
Chris
Chris:
Walk into any pharmacy and ask for it. In August it was the equivalent of US$6 a pill, sold in packs of 8.
Tom B.
tomb:
thanks for posting up the info on rio during carnival time....i think i'm gonna reconsider heading down there at that time (carnival) since you say it gets kinda non-pro..and i'm not so crazy about huge huge crowds anyway..i like my space. i'm not sure if the rest of my buddies may want to miss carnival so i'm going to start planning my trip as a solo excursion. when i know for sure which dates..i'll post up and hopefully link up with a fellow hobbyist. btw..i took a peek at www.fetichesonline.net
in your experiance...are there any garotas in the termas that look like the ones on that site?..i'm more interested in the gfe/tln types.
thanks
skyjuice
Can sombody comment on the following clubs. Are these all clubs with non pros only?
Ballroom
Symbol
Nute
Meli Melo
nuth
new york new york
bunker 84
Thanks.
Octa:
Yes, all non-pro clubs, Nuth and New York, New York are particularly famous.
Sky:
Yeah, Carnval in Rio is a once-in-a-lifetime experience.. once is enough! (on the other hand, gotta do it sometime or other, just to say you have). That being said, a few observations - 1) you won' t be without your "buddies", there are forummers, mongers and other assorted riff-raff all over Copacabana, should be no problem to put together a "posse." 2) The garotas in the better Termas (Centarus, L'uomo, etc), can be model-quality if you sort thru 'em a bit. Happy Hunting! 3) with a little charm and some help from your uncle Benjamin, GFE is no problem, even with Termas girls (of ocurse, portuguese helps a lot). My callgirl guide also lists some girls that are good for long-term setups. TLN.."Toda La Noche" is "A noite inteira" in portuguese - read some of the older posts about how that works, but a lot of girls that you take up to your hotel or apartment will happily stay the night.
Enjoy!
Tom B.
Tomb,
Thanks a bunch.
Are these clubs open on Mondays as well? Or more towards the w/e?
octa:
Generally clubs are open every night of the week. Now which on eis "hot" on any given night is another stroy, you'll have to ask around.
How are your Sao Francisco plans coming along? I found teh name of some clubs in Joinville - non-pro. The pro scene is pretty dismal there - some spots, but butt-ugly girls. All in all, you're still better off going to Camboriu, even for the non-pros.
Tom B.
Tomb
Thanks. For the heads up on everything. We will be sure to send our female colleages over to Nuth and New York, New York tonight. While the boys go to "Help" and the termas.
Is Holiday a Boate or freelancer Disco?
Next cruise we wil be heading to Sao Francisco, so the plan is to go to Camboriu.
I also appreciate the Carnival information.
I am going with a couple of friends and like
the Ball- "Baile?" news. We are there for
the big crowds and drunken revelry ;)
I will monitor this board more often as
March approachs. Hints?
Tips? Information for this tourista is
appreciated anytime. Also I see a post
for somebody named Kenn renting apts.
Any reviews on his service?
Apart from Barbarella, what are the best boates in Copacabana?
Thanks in advance.
Octa
Agree with Tom, Nuth is the the most 'chic' club in town, worth a visit if you like snobish attitudes .....
Could better recommend 'Symbol' (ex 'By Marius') for the singles nights on wednesdays (Noites do solteiros) packed with middle class girls going there early (7pm) after work straight from their office or shop......till late :).....the place is very safe but remember you'll be the only tourist here and few worlds of portugese will help !
Ballroom is my fav hangout in town, always packed and with a different live music every night (forro,pagode,70's...) and a good middle class crowd (20's/30's). I strongly recommend it for a good change from the tourist ghettos.
Meli Melo is mainly for the 20's and less.
Pro
octatron,
Holiday is a boite along the same line as La Cicciolina, Frank's, Barbarella; however, the quality of the garotas leaves very much to desire the one time I was there. I would advise you to stay away from it. Frank's and La Cicciolina on most nights would have girls that will catch most everyone's fancy; for consistent high quality girls however; Barbarella has the best collection going. You do,however, pay for quality as the Barbarella charge both entrance and exit fee and the girls generally do not leave with you for less than 200 reals. One other thing about Barbarella is that the management can be a bit pushy and unfriendly at times.
As far as the non-pro clubs such as Nuth and Bedroom go, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them as they can be fun if you have any interest on the non-pro scene at all. Chicks at these places are typically better educated and more tend to speak some semblance of English. Obviously it takes a little more time to crack them so if you are short on time it's probably not worth your while.
For pure mongering purpose, it's hard to beat the termas scene in Rio. Places such as Monte Carlo, L'omo, 4x4, 65 and even Centaurus offer great fun with good selection of women.
Symbol
Av. Almirante Barroso, 139
Centro
Tel.: 2533-0292
T-F, 18h untill the last customer. Sat, 22h-4h
BTW, 18h = 1800 = 6PM. Brazilians often use the 24 hour clock, so may as well get used to it. Also, Symbol is a disco, not a pro spot.
Tom B.
Robbery report:
I'm sure most of you guys are smart enough not to go walking along the beach at night. I refer not to the boardwalk but actually walking along the water's edge. Having been to Brazil before and never having had a problem, I dropped my guard and did just that, in Copacobana. Three guys ran up to me and one grabbed me and threatened me with a knife, while another rifled my pockets. I had about 150 reais, plus my passport, credit card, and phone (yeah, I know, too bad I wasn't carrying my grandma's jewelry). Anyway, after they got everything, the guy with the knife let go, and it appeared they were going to take off. But the one holding my stuff held out my passport, etc., and motioned at my watch (a Casio digital, it cost me $70 to replace later). I traded the watch back for my stuff. Then they took off. The passport, etc. is of no use to them, in fact, if the cops stop them and they have it, it proves they are thieves. Of course, they could have run off with it and ditched it somewhere, so I suppose I should be grateful I was able to trade my watch for it.
After they ran off, I considered running after them (but keeping my distance, obviously). The problem is the beach is so wide, I'm not sure at what point, if ever, I would be within screaming distance of the main road where I could get a cop's attention. I probably would have done it if they had kept my passport, but there again, you see the logic in them giving it back to me - less incentive for me to follow them.
Amazingly, I remained calm throughout the event and even afterwards. I used to get a real disabling adrenaline rush when I was younger any time it looked like a fight or something was going to happen, but not this time. Perhaps now that I'm older (40) I feel closer to death. Who knows? I do know that if it had been physically possible for me to overpower them, I would have done so, and happily beat the s*** out of them. But one guy against three guys and a knife, figure the odds. I remembered reading a few months ago how Vanderlei Silva had his car stolen by three guys with guns. Silva is a well known fighter, no doubt if those guys hadn't had guns, he would have killed them with his bare hands. But, even he had to turn over the keys to his property and be grateful his life didn't end that night.
Once my turn was over and I started talking to other people about it, it turns out that nearly everyone I talked to had also been robbed at some point. For example, I have read that the buses in Rio are safe. But when I told the doorman in my building about my experience, he told me how he had been robbed on a bus by a man with a pistol. A local gets robbed on the bus? At gunpoint? Brazil I think is much more dangerous than some folks are letting on.
Why the hell don't they have cameras pointed down at the water? Or a beach patrol? Then they wonder why they get so much bad press about crime. One local commented to me, "Rio loses millions in tourist revenue every year because of this". I don't doubt it.
Oh yeah, I went to Help later in the week and got laid.
You have learnt your lesson and l hope you will be extra careful next time.l,m happy you are alright and are here to tell us to be very careful when we do go to Rio .RIO here l come in march.Hoe mongers in rio keep the price low and don,t mess it up for the rest of us.Thanks
Head:
Sorry to read about this, glad you're OK. you did the right thing - handed over your stuff and didn't put up a struggle. There's nothing that you can carry in your pocckets that is worth your life. I'm glad you thought twice about running after them, it wold have been a good way to become a corpse found on the beach next morning.
Yes, Rio crime is bad. .As I've written before, the average Carioca expects to be robbed about once a year (then again, I get robbed every time I get a paycheck and the government takes 40%, so it all balances out in the end). The average tourist isn't there long enough to become a statistic, but some things that you can do will really increasse your chances - like walking alone along the beach at night...... You wouldn't go for an nighttime stroll in the middle of Central Park in New York City, or Hyde Park in London, or the Bois de Boulogne in Paris, would you? What you did is exactly the same. Fortunately, you only lost 40 bucks worth of money, a cellphone, and a US$70 watch, plus some hassle with your credit card company..... not your life, nor your life's savings.
Enjoy Rio, use your head (the one on your shoulders, not the other one), forget the temporary annoyances and focus on the magic.
Cheers,
Tom B.
Headgame,
I want to echo your sentiment that crime is a problem in Rio de Janeiro. I too was robbed by couple of guys on the way back from Help one night with a garota. They took the money that I had (approximately 100 reais). But the thing that pissed me off was that they also took my apartment key so that I was unable to get into my apartment. Here I was, standing in front of apartment with the garota (she was a beautiful one at that)at 4 am in the morning, no way to get into my apartment so that I couldn't consummate my deal with the garota, talk about frustration. But you know what, the garota offered to let me hang out at her place until I could get a replacement key from my landlord. God bless her!!
I think the problem is that I too got a little bit too confortable about Rio because it was my 5th trip. I thought I had gotten the scoop down and had let down my guard. Remember, Rio is a city of ? 8 million people and as such will have its share of crimes. At no city in the good old US of A would I be walking around downtown inebriated at 4 Am yet I routinely do it in Rio de Janeiro. Take home message: exercise caution in Rio as you would any big city and you should be fine.
Actually, I did lose the apartment key. I don't think they took it, I think it fell in the sand. I was lucky enough to be able to get ahold of the apartment owner and get a replacement (it wasn't that late in the evening). Your story, Apstar, is a little more humorous than mine on that count. I'm not surprised that the girl took you to her place, most of the girls are very nice. I assume it was not Giselle, the pale one from Sao Paulo, stay away from her, she needs to set her business up in the States. Too cold and professional, at least in my opinion (I never took her home for that reason).
By the way, after I got robbed, I continued to walk home at night from Help to my apartment, which was 3 blocks away (Rua Bolivar). I was wary, though.
Anyway, I just hope my essential message is not lost here. Folks are always saying that any big city is dangerous and has crime. Yes, that is true. But, as I am fond of saying, that is not the whole truth. The whole truth is, Rio is more dangerous. Actually, to be even more precise, I would say in Rio one is more likely to get robbed than many other cities, though probably less likely to get hurt during a robbery. Does that make sense? In New York some crackhead might cut you or shoot you for the hell of it. I think in Brazil it's more of an industry, ripping off tourists (and locals, as well). Someone can chime in on that if they wish.
I'm not trying to run anyone off from Brazil, I myself had a good time after my robbery, and will probably return to Brazil. But I think a cavalier attitude about crime is guaranteed to get you in trouble. That's exactly why I dropped my guard and went walking on the beach, when I shouldn't have. So no matter how many times you've been to Brazil, and no matter how dangerous your home city is, you simply must be careful at all times. That's all I'm saying.
And crime evolves. How long before these guys figure out that they can watch apartment buildings and figure out which gringos are staying where? Now suppose you always take a taxi from Help, but these guys simply wait outside your apartment building. You pay the taxi, get out, but before the doorman opens the gate, boom! It will happen to someone sooner or later, if it hasn't already. And once one group of guys pulls it off, the others will all mimic and there will be a rash of these.
It seems to me that we should all be going down in groups. It would be a lot harder to rob four gringos instead of one. Two is better than one, but four provides some real security, I think.
Lovetodoyou
11-15-02, 03:19
I leave Monday for Rio. What is the best thermas to go to (To find high quality woman?)How would you rank them? 4x4, Centaurus, 65, monte Carlo, L'oumas, and Solarium. or any others worth visiting. I am looking for caucasion, blond brunettes, redheads,etc. Swimsuit model build.
Also does anyone have a sitemap to find these places?
Tomb:
Thanks a lot, brother, for all the valuble info. When I find the time, I'm going to submerge myself into some of the older post...like you suggested.
Anyone on here that will be in Rio for March (Carnival)..please let me know on here and/or by e-mail.
Skyjuice@mail.com
sky: you're welcome.
head: violence in rio, to some extent is a matter of perspective. basically, it's about as dangerous as any other city of 10 million +, just in different ways. of course, for the past 10 years the murder rate in north rio has been waaaaaay above normal, but that's a different story - us mongers are in south rio. let's not argue how relatively dangerous rio is. rememebr if it wasn't somewhat out of control, it wouldn;t be such a hot mongering spot either.....
the real point is that you can never let down your guard - a lesson that most people in the world have learned long ago, but us fat and happy americans and europeans have forgotten (on so many levels - 9/11, 'nuff said). you are absolutely correct that crime is always evolving, the "bad guys" are always thinking up new ways to rip off the "flats", be it scams, petty theivery, or robbery. however, there are a few things that never change. #1 the criminal is always ready to take advantage of our greed and/or horniness (the starting point for most scams) . always think! especially us mongers, who are already following our dicks around.... #2 the criminal picks out his victim like a predator picking out his prey from the herd. don't be a target! walk with your head up, confident, looking around (dont' overdo it but always be aware), look strong - not worth the risk of messing with. blend in.. don't use flashy jewelry, dress like the cariocas do (i usually run around in a nice "social" footy (soccer) shirt.... one without too many logos and crap). don't wander into risky situations (alone along the beach at night!). don't carry anything more than you are willing to lose, and not even that... predators don't go after slim pickings. that's it........ always use your head and you will be ok.
btw, your doomsday scenario has happened already. better yet is gangs of gunmen just breaking into a builidng, rounding everyone up and locking them in the basement and then ransacking the entire building. shit happens. of course, any of these schemes involves more than just 3 or 4 criminals. you're not seeing it, but there is a heavy police presence in copacabana and ipanema (rio doesn't want to lose tourism), and they break up any large gatherings of crooks they can get their hands on. what' s left are the "opportunists" - so don't become an opportunity!
you are also right about the severity of the crime. you might get robbed in rio, even if you use aall your wits. ultimately, so what? ultimately it becomes nothing more than something exciting to talk about later over a beer. you don't have maniacs attacking you just for the hell of it liek here in the states. at least you know what motivates the rio criminals - basically, hunger - you never know what's going on with the crackheads.
whew! i do go on, don't i? sorry, rio violence vs safety is a real hot-button with me. one last thing, as long as you've read this far already, here's a little story about the closest i ever came to being robbed in rio. i was staying at the othon and decided to go for an early morning swim, 7am or so. i walk out of the hotel in just my speedos (waaaaaaay back wwhen they were in style, and i was in shape), gringo pale as can be. i swim for a while and then go walking down the beach. after a few minutes i notice three guys behind me, flanking me, one by the water, two by the sand, in "street clothes" - raggedy shorts, sandals and tees. pretty obvious what was going on. when they were about 10 yards away, i just turned around, pulled off my speedos and said "amigos, tou pelado, viu?" - see, guys, i'm naked (which is also slang for broke...). they just gaped at me and then took off running the other way! yeah, a little stupid on my part, but what the f- could they do? (plan b was to hop back in the water and start swimming fast). i'm no longer that athletic, but the important thing is that i didn't have shit all for them to rob, and i let them know it....
tom b.
Tomb, lots of good advice. We shouldn't split the philosophical hairs, we should all be on the same page, which is to recognize the threat and do all the "right" things to minimize it, a lot of which you just ran through. It's great we have this forum to discuss these things!
Was in rio last month and went to following thermas
Centaurus **** $$$$
Monte Carlo *** $$$
LHouma *** $$$
Airporto *** $$$
**** Best looking girls all look 7 to 9 out of 10
*** Good looking girls 2-3 girls may be 7 to 9 rest 5 to 7 out of 10
Rates in real
$$$ 30 entrance 30-40 for cabin (40 min) 100 girl
$$$$ 90 entrance 30-40 for cabin (40 min) 150 girl
I haven't been to 4x4 , 65 , Solarium
Some thing i found on the net
Massage (Thermas)
The words "terma" or "Therma" is a Brazilian term and is used to describe a place that is a combination spa/health club/massage center/ bar/brothel. There are dozens of termas in Rio, and they are to be found in all major cities in Brazil. Here's How it Works, the system at the termas is pretty standard, there is an entrance fee to use the facility. Additionally you will pay for any drinks, the girl, and the room. There are three room choices (standard cabina, deluxe, and suite). In the standard cabina you can spend 40 minutes with the girl; in the other rooms it's an hour. If you go for an hour in the deluxe room your total bill, with a few drinks could be around $175. It is perfectly acceptable to talk with a number of women before settling on one. Once you find a good candidate, take a seat with her and get friendly. She'll soon likely have her tongue down your throat and her hand on your cock. Take your time, and don't rush back to the rooms...the Brazilian women are great at foreplay and love to get close. When you do decide it's time to get to know her even better, let her know and she'll arrange the rest. Like I said, they tend to be great at their work. You can expect oral and standard sex. The oral sex may or may not be bareback. More and more the girls propose using a condom for oral sex, although not all do. Condoms are always used for standard sex. After your time is up you can shower and leave, or shower and head back to the bar and have more fun. If the place isn't crowded, the girl you've been with will often be content to just sit with you and play around. It's a great way to spend an evening. You'll pay your tab when you leave.
L'uomo
Located on the second floor of a shopping mall next to Rua Siqueira Campos. It can be difficult to find as the place is full of antique shops and the thermas is outside on a balcony with only a small door surrounded by window bricks. Entry is R$20, a beer is R$3 and they charge R$120 for 40 minutes with the girl in a standard room. Upon entering and registering you are given a wrist band which carries an ID number and locker key. You then proceed through into the locker area, the key opens a specific locker which contains a robe and sandals. You change into these then go through into the main area which is a darkened disco type arrangement. When buying a drink the barman records the number on your wrist strap ands its added to your tab for when you leave. At the other side of the disco is a room with sun loungers and cable TV. Adjoining this room are the toilets with shaving facilities and a steam room and sauna with hot showers and cold showers. After cleaning up and relaxing, you select a girl, then take her to one of the rooms. A lady oversees this and rings a telephone in the room when time is up. The girls at L'uomo are generally fairly attractive (there's variability for sure) and are very good at their work. L'uomo is open 3pm-2am Mon-Sat. and this year (celebrating their 20th anniversary) is open Sundays.
Monte Carlo
also known as Club 19 (Rua Hilario de Gouveia, 19, in Copacabana). Monte Carlo is very convenient, just a block from the beach and Avenida Atlantica. The routine and set-up at Monte Carlo is nearly identical to L'uomo. You enter and change clothes on the ground floor, take the elevator to the showers/spa on the second (facilities are fairly similar to L'uomo's) and take the elevator to the club on the 4th floor, where the girls are to be found. Prices at Monte Carlo are about the same as L'uomo. I have not found the girls at Monte Carlo to be as attractive on average as those at L'uomo, but there's always a few beauties, and it only takes one (unless you want a "two fer", which is available at all the termas). Monte Carlo is open Mon.-Sat. from 4pm-2am.
Centaurus
(Rua Canning, 44, Ipanema). Centaurus is the most expensive of these termas, and it has some quirky drawbacks, but the women can't be beat. The arrangements are somewhat different at Centaurus. As you enter you are asked to pay $210. This covers admission, and 40 minutes in a nice room with any girl. Drinks are additional and are paid for as you leave. You can also arrange to have two girls at once but will need to pay an additional $100 in advance. After you enter you will be escorted by a girl to the dressing room. She will help you out of your clothes and into a robe and sandals. This is one aspect of Centaurus that's not good. The girls typically hangs around and expects that she will be your date for the evening. Always make it clear that you want to go somewhere to relax for awhile and then look around they get the message. After a shower on the ground floor you head upstairs to the bar area. There is a small room with a TV and massage tables that is often crowded with guys and girls getting friendly while watching soccer (what else!). The bar area is fairly large and has seating at the bar and bench seating elsewhere where it is easier to get to know the girls. There is a small stage where they have live music on some nights and where the girls do striptease routines every evening. The great thing about Centaurus is the girls. There are a lot of them and most are stunning. As good as L'uomo is, there's a substantial leap in the beauty of the girls. You will find a number of girls to your liking, and will likely find yourself paralyzed by indecision. When you find the one you like, just smile and wink and they'll come over. Another advantage at Centaurus is that there are several girls who speak fairly good English. I spent an evening with one blonde lovely who was a law student and spoke perfect English. Many of the girls at Centaurus are college students (many from the local Catholic college!) and are better conversationalists than girls at the other termas. The sex at Centaurus has been excellent.
Termas Solarium
(Rua JJ Seabra, 21, Jardim Botanica), located in a nice neighborhood about 15 minutes from Copa or Ipanema. Solarium is more on the upscale end of the termas, although a bit less expensive than Centaurus. The tab at Solarium will run about $190 plus drinks. It has a nicer facility than Centaurus and the girls are almost up to the Centaurus gold standard. Solarium is a bit off the beaten path, but definitely worth the trip.
Termas Pedagio
(corner of Rua Siqueira Campos and Rua Barata Riberio, 2nd level) is very inexpensive you can get in and out for $70 Reals, but you get what you pay for. The facilities are pretty gross, the girls variable but less attractive than other places, and the sex is less enthusiastic. Some guys like it because it's a good place for a little voyeurism: the girls often give the guys head in the communal steam bath. If this appeals to you, it's an option.
TERMAS 4 X 4: RUA BUENOS AIRES, 44 CENTRO 283-1009/253-1009 .
Cover for 4x4 was 20R and standard room/girl/40minute 110R - suite/girl/60min 130R. 4x4 is closed Saturday/Sunday
TERMAS 65: RUA DO ROSIRIO, 65 CENTRO 203-1338.
Entrance fee is about 45R and about 110R for girl and 30R for room. 30-50 Girls on duty, depending on the day.
http://www.**********.com/country/southamerica/brazil.htm
URL for part of my previous post
i will be in rio nov 23 thru dec 2. i like the suggestion about hanging together in a group. i will be staying at rio roiss hotel. anyone else going to be down there during that time? it will be my first trip. i also am going to hire one of the american guys down there for guide service during my stay...just to make sure i get on the right track...
hooky
kevin
the $210 you mentioned for centaurus, are you referring to US$ in that case and an extra US$100 for the second girl?
thanks,
hooky
Hooky,
Don't bother to "hire" a guide. If you're staying at the Roiss, you'll be in the center of it all. There will be plenty of English-speaking people at Meia Pataca, all day, every day.... You'll meet plenty of people, and won't need any additional, paid "service" for information. Meia Pataca, is literally "around the corner" from your hotel. You're in the right place, especially for a newbie.
Just be sure to read as many posts here as possible, just to ensure an understanding of the basics. You really shouldn't need a "guide" for anything other than "off-campus" explorations. And, in that case, I'd rather have a native (English-speaking) Brasilian than an American.
If you do have questions, just ask them here before you go. Or email one of us privately. Everyone's very willing to contribute info. And, if you do want a guide there, i know a great guy - a driver who speaks pert-near perfect English.
Member #1005
11-15-02, 20:53
Hooky
The prices referred to at Centaurus, are in Brazilian Reals not US$.
My experience of Centaururs is the girls are not as aggressively pushy as you’ll find in other place, so if you tell them politely you are interested in another type of girl they will respect that and engage you with polite conversation. If there is a girl that takes your fancy and you point them out, the girl may introduce you to her colleague with or without buying them a drink. I liked the Centaurus girls.
Enjoy!! www.centaurusnet.com.br
I'm sure a few of you will disagree with my post, but I stand by it!
I’ve seen so many posts about Help being overrated, or so “hit and miss”. There has also been talk of the high rate of CBJ at Help, that a BBBJ is scarce and hard to get. That’s probably accurate, but not my experience.
Will let me say a few things here. Help is by far the best place in the world to find freelancers. But Help should be a place to find an all-nighter! It’s not a place for a one hour suck and fuck. That’s why Rio has Termas. Besides, if you want a one hour suck and fuck it will be cheaper for you at Termas.
Now in the past five years, I think I’ve been to Help, perhaps four or five times. Each time, I’ve struck gold.
The trick to Help is you have to learn to weed out the hardened pros with just the part time amateurs. The Pros will be the first to approach you! They will perhaps start grabbing you, or touching you. They will perhaps be wearing very revealing clothing. Now these girls, want to suck and fuck you as fast as they can, and then get back for another trick. Of course these girls will probably not provide a BBBJ either.
I feel, to get the best from Help. You need to really spend time examining what’s there, and try to find the gem. Believe me there are plenty! What I do is look for the girls that don’t approach you right away, maybe just a little smile. Their clothing could be just jeans and a shirt. Perhaps their in a corner, or by the wall. They probable came into Help with their friend. I also look for an English speaker. English speakers will most doubtable be semi-educated, and perhaps still going to college. Since girl demographics in Help meet that age range. The best thing to do, is buy her a drink, and ask her upstairs. See how she flirts with you? Does she get aggressive getting all over you? Or is she more passive? Then dance with her, for 30 minutes. Does she get inpatient and wants to leave? Or is she happy with spending time with you. In other words this is all preliminary foreplay. Brazilian women love foreplay. Now when you just can’t stand it anymore, tell her you want her in the worst way, and will pay her USD$100.00. Don’t be put in the position to have to negotiate from a higher price. I always hate to negotiate, it takes a way from the moment.
Once you get her to the hotel room, or wherever. Take a shower with her. Makeout with her. Don’t be to quick to want to whip it out. I feel going this route a BBBJ, and incredible sex will be guaranteed.
One last thing, I recommend Viagra, because it’s so hard to outlast a Brazilian women. Consider if you don’t last at least three rounds, you are a disgrace. Don’t get to drunk either, get that good buzz, drink some Red Bull. But your only hurting yourself if you get to smashed.
Well that’s my two cents.
kevin_405 and octatron, great posts on thermas and Help! I find them very useful and informative.
octatron, when you say to offer the girl $100 for an all-night service I suppose you mean BR$, don't you?
Also, can anyone provide some info on boites? Is there any boite in Copa apart from Barbarella? I suppose there must be some, although no one seems to have mentioned them in this forum so far. What's the scene like in boites?
I'll be in Rio for the first time in few days so I'm finalizing my preliminary research.
Thanks a lot for your help.
Gladiator
Of course in Help it's possible to get a girl for under USD $100.00. The later you stay, or the more desperate they become. Or the more desperate you become? Or if their not quite a “9” or "10" Shit, maybe I just don't feel like haggling over a little cash. But from what I've experienced and read. USD 100.00 is a common/average price for Help. Sure call me stupid for helping keeping the prices high. But I've seen some stupid colleagues pay US rates at Help.
$100.00 for allnighter with a Help hoe ,that,s damn too expensive for me.l,m pretty better off paying less and in real in the termas.How many times can l even bang that pussy till morning ?May be twice or 3 times if l have that energy to go that far .Brazilian hoes are getting too expensive .l,m gonna start looking for more bang for less Dollar in Bangkok and leave Brazil for the high paying players
Octa: glad you had fun in Rio, and I assume thaat you managed to pack your lady colleagues off to a disco..... You took exactly the right approach at Help, don' t go after the obvious ones, go for the diammonds in the rough. Even when you are paying for play, it always pays off in the long run to "seduce" the girls. Make them WANT to please you, not just do it because you've got the bucks. Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I don't mean ROMANCE them, make love to them, or any of that bullshit, I just mean that you need to use your player skills., like octa did. And if a woman is not going to respond to you when you are flirting a bit, how do you think that she is going to respond in bed? I keep preaching the same message - treat the girls great, they'll treat you GREAT. (on the other hand, treat them like mindless fuck machines, and what you'll get is...).
But octa.. doooooood... you really ARE a sailor on shore leave, aint' you? ;-) US$100?!?!?! Are you insane? I understand that you don't neccesarily like to haggle, and that just handing them a C-note gets over any akward negotiation, but jeeeez. If nothing else (i.e. even if the money means nothing to you), remember a player has got to show a girl who's in charge - respect is important. Even if you just beat her down by $5, you show her who's boss and that she'd better the hell be eager to please you. If you are feeling generous, tip her well afterwards. That's what I usually do, haggle like hell over the price and then pay about 10% more than what she originally asked for if she did a good job (unless, of course, she asked for something demented, like US$100). Besides, by the time that you've used your playa skills on her (a little flirting, a little dancing, etc, just like you said), you should have her eager to get into YOUR pants, not vice-versa, and ready to go out with you for half her normal price. Leave Uncle Benjamin in your wallet, where he belongs, US$60-80 is more like it!
dogdays: Enjoy Bangkok! More Rio pussy for the rest of us.... ;-)
Abraco,
Tom B.
you have to prepay for the first girl at Centaurus, do you have to prepay if you want a second girl or pay when you leave. How about if you click with a girl at a Termas, can you have her at you hotel for a 100- 150 reals for maybe 4hours, is that likely or not.
Will you guys STOP paying these hoe's $100.US for a piece of ass!!! You are OVERPAYING.... What is wrong with you?
You should never pay more than 200reais for any girl at Help..... unless she is a perfect 10 and then there could be a bidding war...
Geesh.
I get the message, that $USD 100.00 is overpaying.
Well that's why we have the forum, ah?
Tomb--l will be in RIO this coming March but l just can,t get it striaght when Rich playas are just paying hundred,s of dollars to a help hoe .How much can an average playa{ monger} like myself can afford to pay to play, not that much .And what happens is l can,t get the chance to bang the best looking hoes in the house because some high paying playas have messed up the price.l gotta go and see if banging hoes are expensive in Rio then Bangkok will be my next trip or l,ll try another city in Brazil that playas don,t normally go to.
dog:
Good Rio pussy costs R$200-250, that's 60 or 70 USD, for a two hour session, usually you can stretch that into an all-nighter depending on when you start and how you click.
Yeah, you can get cheaper in BK, but it's a question of quality and which city you'd rather visit (and how far you want to fly). If you are going strictly for cheap, you can get a US$10-20 fuck in Vila Mimosa (just keep you eyes and nostrils shut!), but if that's you're primary concern, you may as well save the plane-fare and fuck a crack-ho at home...
As for dummies who are paying too much, it's all a question of supply and demand. First of all, Help, Barbarella, etc. are TOURIST PLACES. You can get some damn fine pussy somewhere else, where the girls realize that they are going to get the market price, not tourist dollars. Second, even in Help, you have to be a TRUE player (not just a dood with cash to burn.... the Italians are the worst). Charm the girls (like octa wrote about) then be firm - hey, let's get it on! What's it gonna be? US$100?!?! Yeah right! Do I look like a dumb Italian? - Laugh in their face, walk away, whatever - Oh R$300, now that's better, try R$150.... R$200? Well, OK, I like you kid, so you'd better be ready to rock my world and EARN those 200 reals.... That's how the game is played and even if you don't know portuguese, you can do it with hand signals, a little pigdin, and body language. If she won't come down in price, won't negotiate - dump her, get another, there's plenty. Of course, she's not going to bed with you because you're a stud (with me, yes, with you - NO 8^D ), it's all business. What's going on in her little head is "Do I go out with this guy who knows what he's doing, or do I wait around and hope to catch some sucker for US$100? Well, this guys been paying attention to ME and treating me nice, maybe I can get him to repeat tomorrow and give me more money later... Hmmm, a bird in hand...." etc. However you may want to sugar-coat it, it's all about sales. (On the other hand, so is regular dating, once you really analyze it). Some of you may be thinking... But I'm paying the bytch, why do I have to haggle and schmooze? Sure, you can just throw money in her face and treat her like a wh0re, but then she'll just treat you like a trick - that is, she'll charge you as much as possible, get you to come asap, take your money and run. Dunno about you, but that's not what I fly all the way to Rio for. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, the "GAME" is half the fun.
Cheers!
Tom B.
Tomb--l had banged crack hoes and l hoes who don,t smoke crack and had women you had no clue were somking crack and those that l always want to bang don,t even pay the time of day .l,ll take the #4 or the D,C train and l,ll see a bus load of find looking women.Hay l,m not all that cheap .l had paid $100 and over to hoes on 11th ave bet 42nd and 43rd ave in NYC by the westside highwy.Why should l go to a developing country where most people don,t make hundred $ a day and pay a hoe that much.Brazil and South Africa are comparably in terms of development .l pretty know where Brazil stands in terms of development so l am not trying to make it look like it,s a poor country ,but it,s not the us or canada or France or Germany.l,ll be happy to pay a help hoe R150-R200.
Re: Help and prices
I guess I gotta chime in with my two cents. Octatron, I think you had a good post, and I will back you up. Help is ok for picking up chicks. And with all due respect, Tomb, to some of us, getting the price down from $100 to $70 for a really nice girl is just not that big a deal. I hardly ever get laid in the States (except for my lovely wife, of course), and I'm only down there for a week. If I have the beauty I want for a night, what difference does it make if I pay $70 or $100?? Now of course, notice the key word in my sentence "if". As I mentioned in a previous post, I was with a very pretty girl in Help (Gisele, from Sao Paulo) and she wanted 300 reais for 2 hours, 400 for all night, and she would not budge from her price at all. I finally told her she was too cold and professional for my taste, and I split.
On Friday, I had much better luck. I noticed a really good-looking woman at the bar, she was not grabbing guys or any of that stuff, and she wasn't even looking around to see if anyone was checking her out. I kept checking her out over the next couple of hours, and she just seemed to be enjoying herself, with absolutely no marketing plan to score for the night, so far as I could tell. She was just standing there watching the dance floor and moving a little bit to the music when I came up to her and asked her to dance, and boom! I could just feel the sparks. She gave me the biggest smile and followed me out to the dance floor, and I got a huge kick just watching her dance and smile at me. I loved it from the first second.
(Just as an aside, like a lot of guys, I have always been shy about dancing. In my old age, I realize that it's not important how the guy dances. The whole point of the thing is that the girl likes to dance, and, in addition to enjoying herself, she is putting on a display for you. I think this is true everywhere, not just Help. So guys, don't be afraid to dance. Just sway a little to the music, and you'll be fine).
Anyway, we danced quite a bit, whereas I think I danced with Gisele for 5 minutes before she dragged me upstairs for negotiations. Finally we did go upstairs, and she asked me for $150 USD. I said no, 100. Dollars, she asked? Yes. "Nao problema!" She gave me a big kiss, and we took off a little while later.
Did I overpay? I sure as hell don't think so. I had a great time with her that night. She was squeezing my muscles and telling me how strong I was while I was making love to her. What a turn-on! (and yes, I do work out).
The next day she came back and we had sex again. No charge. Now do you think I overpaid?
This girl is a student during the week and only "works" on weekends. She would have been happy to spend the rest of the weekend with me, but unfortunately, that next day when I saw her again was in fact the day I was leaving (Saturday).
So, this is why I don't bother to go to the termas, despite some people on this board raving about them. I have no doubt that there are some beautiful women there. But to pay all that money to go spend 40 minutes in a room with one, when I can find one with some personality and take her home and really enjoy her, I just don't see the point. I don't like the clinical aspect of a terma, though since I've never actually done it, I won't lie and say I'm speaking from experience.
So I can think you CAN have a great time at Help, but, you have to go by more than looks (although my date above was very good-looking, don't get me wrong), and try to find someone you can connect with. Of course, don't get carried away and fall in love with one of these girls, obviously that would be a mistake. But you can find someone you enjoy spending time with, in and out of bed. But you have to work at it a little bit. And yes, it helps if you are decent looking, dress nice, and can say a few words of Portuguese.
While I was in Rio a couple of locals took me to a nice disco, where there were lots of pretty local girls dancing. But I did not dance with one all night. I am not, and never have been, part of the "young and pretty" crowd. I left there thinking I no more belonged there than I did in the equivalent kind of place in the States. If my wife goes out of town on a weekend, do I run down to the local disco and try to pick up women in the early 20's? No. If I looked like Tom Cruise (I'm his age), I might do it. But I don't. Going to Help is kind of a double fantasy. Not only is there the obvious prospect of taking a woman home for sex afterwards, but even while I'm there, I can pretend I do look like Tom Cruise. I ask a girl to dance, and she always says yes! Remember that movie WestWorld? Every time the guy got in a gunfight, he won. Help is like that, only about it's about dancing and sex, not gunfights.
BR$ 150-200 seems a fair price for an all-nigter at Help and it's in accordance with what some Rio veterans have posted over the last few months. I'll remember this when I start negotiations with the pussies in Help. I'll definitely not contribute to the sucker's factor.
headgames and guys:
Thanks for your post. Actually, I think that we are both saying exactly the same thing - something that a lot of other guys who are running around Rio are forgetting. Of course it doesn't matter if you pay $70 or $100 to the girl, you just spent about a grand between airfare and hotel just to be in Rio, not to mention precious freetime. Who cares about $30 less or more? I don't. (Of course, let' s not artificially drive up prices either....) It's all about having the best experience possible with these girls, living out the fantasyof meeting a beautiful girl, having a great time. and then having a great fuck. So what if you're paying her, you think you don't end up paying the "good" girls that you take out on dates in your regular life? (i.e. There's nothing more expensive than a free fuck). Personally, I don't like the Termas either, good for fast-food sex, but to each his own. If I wanted cold, mercenary, mechanical sex, I coulda just stayed at home and fucked my wife! hehehe, j/k I love my ball and chain, but variety is the spice of life... And the CHASE is the fun part - fucking is great, but I can do that whenever I want anyhow. Maybe a really sick analogy, but think of it like one of those trophy game preserves where you are GUARANTEED to bag a 12-point buck (becuase you're paying for it, of course). Headgames is right - for one night you ARE the movie star. Pathetic? Maybe, but all of life is a fantasy, an illusion - the important thing is being the one making the fantasy....
That being said, just handing the girls cash is NOT the best way to get the very best. My mantra is: Treat them like a girlfriend, they will act like a girlfriend, treat them like a wh0re, they will act like a wh0re. Headgame, look at your own experience at Help - girl #1 was not interested in budging on her price and ultimately wsa not at all interested in YOU as a guy, just you as an ATM machine with a dick. Now, thanks to your attention to her, girl #2 saw you as a guy to be pleased and was happy to drop her price. The question of price is NOT about the money - rather it is a "litmus test" of whether or not they are going to see you as something more than a walking wallet. Yes, in the end it's all about the benjamins, but you may as well have fun along the way!
Abraco,
Tom B.
P.S. despite all I wrote about "romancing" these girls, please don't ever forget IT'S JUST A GAME! leave your heart at the border - don't fall in love with these girls or beleive their pleasant lies. Fun in the sun, that's what it's all about.....
Tomb,
Agree 100%. Couldn't have said it better.
Definitely it's more important that the girl is willing to come down in price a little and that she obviously takes some interest in you, than what the final price actually ends up being, though like you said, in general, we shouldn't do anything stupid to drive up prices.
Love this forum.
TOMB-First l want to thank you and to all the guys who been contributing to this forum.l have learnt alot and still learning about where to go in RIO and how not to become a crime victim and so many useful informations.l,m gonna be ready to take on rio Hoes l have heard so much of and see how many that Bundas l can bang .Please keep contributing ,you are an asset to this forum.Thank you all.
Gladiator ,
Stay away from boites , They are all big rip offs , Barabella included... They will come up with a bill for stuff you never had etc etc.
Help is over priced and the quality sucks..
Your best bet is the Thermas ... maybe take the Phone no of a girl out there and hook up at night...
Lovetodoyou
11-17-02, 04:24
Is it possible to take pictures of the therma girls while in your room? Do you have to hide the camera? If so where? Do most woman mind if you take pictures? Does anyone have pics of these therma girls?
Guys,
I guess I will try to chime in my 2 cents as well. As always Tomb provides the voice of reason on this board. As he mentioned, the whole point of negotiation is not about saving an additional 20 bucks or so, but about exercising some some semblance of control over the girl which, strange as it may sounds, earns the respect of the girls in Brazilian(and for that matter, most latin) culture. Paying the first outlandish price that they quoted is most certainly not the way to do it. Of course, if you were to develop a serious chemistry with the girl, obviously letting 20,30 dollars getting in the way of you bedding the girl is absolutely foolish.
From talking to my friend who had literaly just got back from Rio yesterday, 200 reais for an all nighter is still pretty much the norm in Help. You will undoubtedly run into others who will ask for much more, however.
Octatron, my friend did tell me that the day that the sailors arrived in Rio, there was a noticeable buzz amongst the Help ladies and they were licking their chops knowing a fresh, inexperienced crew will drop into Help and they were going to be able to charge a higher price for the allnighter. He did qualify by saying that the talent level at Help disco those couple of days were substantially higher than the few days leading up to it.
I do have to take a bit of issue with Tomb regarding the mechanical nature of sex that you get from the termas. My own personal expeiences with the termas were quite the contrary. Sure the session was only for 40 minutes or even an hour but these terma girls provide some incredible, sensual and mind-bowing sex in the time alloted. And if you meshed with the girls(it helps a bit if you can at least carry on some small talk in Portugues), majority of the terma girls will rendevouz with you outside of the termas, when this happens, you can be sure that you are going to get some major GFE sex from the girls. As far as Help disco goes, some of my more mechanical experiences in Rio had come from Help. Again, this is simply my two cents.
Reconscout19,
Yes it is possible to take photographs of terma girls as I have taken photos of girls in 4x4, 65, L'uomo and Monte Carlo without any problems. You do need to use some discretion though as I don't think it's allowed under the official policy of the termas. I used a compact digital camera (Canon digital elph s330) and hide it in the pocket of the robes that you wear in the termas. Once in the suite or cabina, whip out your camera and ask the girls' permission for photos. Most but no all will gladly pose for you. Take a few shots and then show them on the LCD and the girls will probably pose more for you.
Apstar and gang:
Voice of reason? Asset to the forum? I'd better catch up on my drinking before I post anything to this forum.... ;-)
Seriously, I'm glad you all got my point. Treat the girls right, they treat you right. Be the player, don't get played. Pretty simple.
As for Termas, sure, you can get great sex there, I didn't mean to give the wrong impression. When I wrote about "mechanical sex" I mixed up my metaphors - so much for "voice of reason". I kinda digressed into Termas while I was still writing about why you shouldn't act like a chump at Help (i.e. because you'll get cold, mechanical sex). Be that as it may, I'm still not a fan of Termas, but it's more the setup I don't like - the little robes (always afraid of making a "tent at the wrong time!), the little cabines, the "swordfights" (depends on the time of day, of course), the clock ticking away - but that's just me and my hangups. The girls can be very fine indeed.
Enjoy!
Tom B.
I 2nd what Apstar had to say .
My personal experience has been that thermas is better than Help or Bars , as i got along fabulously with the girls and the girls were very cooperative in bet. But thats just me...
I like a set action where i know upfront what i am paying and what i am getting , in the thermas , you don't have to ask what you are going to get and what not, every girl will give a BJ & kiss , most will give BBBJ and the ones who don't give BBBJ will do so if you persist.
All of them are very courteous...
Girls at bars and Help aren't even in the same ball park in looks and otherwise again IMHO.
I don't really know any Protuguese , so my experiences can be different from Tombs , but i owe it to tomb for my great time in Brazil for all the info...
I am sure his excellent knowledge of Portuguses definitely gives him an edge in his dealings...
kevin 405,
I've been a Brazil veterans for 3 years and absolutely adores the brazilleras. I too was curious about Argentina as compared to Brazil. I'll be making my first trip to Buenos Aires this thanksgiving and will detail my impression upon return. However, judging from the enthusiasm encountered on the Argentinina section of WSG, I think Argentina might be able to give Brazil a run for the money.
Reading from the post on Agentina forum did not look like it is as organised as Rio especially the Thermas are exclusively Rio thing.
Uomo Grande
11-18-02, 21:12
Have any of you guys gone for a 1-hour session at Centaurus (or any of the other thermas for that matter)? Is it worth it? The girls are always trying to sell you on the "special room". For the price of a 1-hour session, you could get two 40-min sessions. For me, I think that I'd rather go twice with two different girls with a rest in between.
Rio versus Buenos Aires -
I've only been to BsAs once, and Rio ten times, but here are some random thoughts of comparison:
Rio, as a city, has much more to offer. Although BsAs is a 'nice' city, there's nothing spectacular to see, if you've ever been in any major cosmopolitan city. In fact, when i wanted to buy a postcard, there were none with images compelling enough for me to want to send or keep.... The weather in Rio is also far better. I do have a prejudice against BsAs, as i went in September for a week when it was cold and rainy. I then went directly to Rio, where it was beach weather.... Certainly, BsAs is nicer during their summer, but the window for good weather is something to consider. In Rio, however, it's pretty nice all year 'round. There is variation, but it's not nearly as extreme.
Rio's beach scene cannot be matched. BsAs has no beach. There really isn't much to do during the days there. In Rio, however, you're busy all day, every day. Basically, the day is Cafe>Beach>Cafe>Terma>Cafe>Help. In BsAs, i took a (dull) tour or two, and then basically waited for the nightclubs to open.
Rio has termas. BsAs has a couple of brothel-y type places which i never found, but from all reports, not much was missed. Rio has boites. BsAs has probably a few more, and at least two of them are wonderful (Playwomen, Black). I'd say they're probably equivalent to Barbarella, talent-wise. I'd call that a wash. Rio has Help. BsAs doesn't.
What else? Women? There are probably more women 'working' in Rio. Quality? Difficult to assess, as everyone has different tastes. Surely, there are more Euro-type women in BsAs, but there are also Brasileras working there. The bodies of Argeninian women, in my opinion, are more 'balanced.' More 'textbook.' If you're an ass-man, it's Brasil. If it's tits, BsAs.
Having been to both places, i can easily say i favour Rio, by a wide margin. But, i do feel a need to try Argentina again. My recommendation, if you're curious.... If you can manage ten days to two weeks or more, go to both. Book a three-leg trip to both destination. Personally, i wouldn't ever need to be in BsAs for more than four/five nights, so i'd skew my two weeks as 10 nights in Rio and 4 in BsAs. I really can't stress enough that i was just "bored" until 11pm every night in BsAs.
Check, also, the Argentina websites. www.platynum.com.ar and area-vip.com, especially. I believe that everyone on area is real, although they are 'aided' quite considerably by the (relatively) good, consistent photography and makeup. I've heard that the girls, in person, aren't quite up to that standard, but are still quite nice. On platynum, the girls are all real, except those with the asterisk in the profiles.... As well, be advised that all of the photos may not be current. Some/many may also be retouched.
If you have any other questions, please ask.
Originally posted by Uomo Grande
Have any of you guys gone for a 1-hour session at Centaurus (or any of the other thermas for that matter)? Is it worth it? The girls are always trying to sell you on the "special room". For the price of a 1-hour session, you could get two 40-min sessions. For me, I think that I'd rather go twice with two different girls with a rest in between.
I have never taken the 1 hour session but i ended up in the room that do the 1 hour session twice.. once in LHouma and once in Monte carlo
The Special room (10 x9)is twice as big as the 40 min room (9x5) approx...
I personally prefer the 40 min thing and go with another girl if i felt like it but thats just me...
you should try the 2 girl ... if you want instead of the 1 hr thing as it ends up being the same price.
That was really helpfulll ..... The BOMB
Originally posted by Adam Bomb
Rio versus Buenos Aires -
I've only been to BsAs once, and Rio ten times, but here are some random thoughts of comparison:
Rio, as a city, has much more to offer. Although BsAs is a 'nice' city, there's nothing spectacular to see, if you've ever been in any major cosmopolitan city. In fact, when i wanted to buy a postcard, there were none with images compelling enough for me to want to send or keep.... The weather in Rio is also far better. I do have a prejudice against BsAs, as i went in September for a week when it was cold and rainy. I then went directly to Rio, where it was beach weather.... Certainly, BsAs is nicer during their summer, but the window for good weather is something to consider. In Rio, however, it's pretty nice all year 'round. There is variation, but it's not nearly as extreme.
Rio's beach scene cannot be matched. BsAs has no beach. There really isn't much to do during the days there. In Rio, however, you're busy all day, every day. Basically, the day is Cafe>Beach>Cafe>Terma>Cafe>Help. In BsAs, i took a (dull) tour or two, and then basically waited for the nightclubs to open.
Rio has termas. BsAs has a couple of brothel-y type places which i never found, but from all reports, not much was missed. Rio has boites. BsAs has probably a few more, and at least two of them are wonderful (Playwomen, Black). I'd say they're probably equivalent to Barbarella, talent-wise. I'd call that a wash. Rio has Help. BsAs doesn't.
What else? Women? There are probably more women 'working' in Rio. Quality? Difficult to assess, as everyone has different tastes. Surely, there are more Euro-type women in BsAs, but there are also Brasileras working there. The bodies of Argeninian women, in my opinion, are more 'balanced.' More 'textbook.' If you're an ass-man, it's Brasil. If it's tits, BsAs.
Having been to both places, i can easily say i favour Rio, by a wide margin. But, i do feel a need to try Argentina again. My recommendation, if you're curious.... If you can manage ten days to two weeks or more, go to both. Book a three-leg trip to both destination. Personally, i wouldn't ever need to be in BsAs for more than four/five nights, so i'd skew my two weeks as 10 nights in Rio and 4 in BsAs. I really can't stress enough that i was just "bored" until 11pm every night in BsAs.
Check, also, the Argentina websites. www.platynum.com.ar and area-vip.com, especially. I believe that everyone on area is real, although they are 'aided' quite considerably by the (relatively) good, consistent photography and makeup. I've heard that the girls, in person, aren't quite up to that standard, but are still quite nice. On platynum, the girls are all real, except those with the asterisk in the profiles.... As well, be advised that all of the photos may not be current. Some/many may also be retouched.
If you have any other questions, please ask.
adam bomb has it close, and i agree it's quite a toss up between the two, leaving only personal tastes to decide for each of us - it's really that close.
but the big miss in the post is that b.a. does have much to do during the day. for those that work the malls in rio, b.a. has equally as many malls or shopping districts (e.g. avenida florida) to meet both rare pros and non-pros. and while rio has termas, b.a. has a much more robust internet call girl scene. and, while adam bomb did not find the terma-type or equivalent place, as he missed it, it is there in the form of boliches (like a terma but more a bar without the robes and sauna/message.
so, while "cafe>beach>cafe>terma>cafe>help" is offered for rio, the equivalent in b.a. could be cafe>cosmopolitanscene>cafe>internetgirl>cafe>boliche/boite.
don't underestimate the internet girls, some will be happy with the quality, others will prefer the much lower price than rio terma.
thus, for me, with prices being near equal, it comes down to girls tastes, food (i prefer brasil), and beach vs. other city items (you'll meet both pros and non-pros on each, easily, if it's your goal, and give prerequesite language skills).
lately, b.a. has been a little cheaper (air to b.a. is very low now, and hotels are lower given rio's holiday season). still, to conclude, for me, it's a damn tie. although i will make my 3rd b.a. visit later this year after last visiting rio in nov-01....
gentlemen
i am going for first time on friday for ~10days.
info on board very helpful.
i made arrangements to hook up with "don" from riotrips.com for tour service but their website is down and i haven't heard from him.
don, if you read this please post new web address.
anyone else out there know where he has got to?
thanks,
hooky
he is around !!! website is down for a little while I think. Just email him ...... riotrips@hotmail.com . He will show you a good time in rio.
Anybody
What is a good bar to hang out to start the evening. Perhaps it has live music. Not looking for girls there, just a place to have a few drinks before the night starts.
Thanks.
Fat Bastard
11-24-02, 06:49
Leo,
You mentioned air fare is cheap between BsAs and Rio.
Can you give me an idea of cost and which airline would you recommend?
If need be, my email is fatbastard1962@yahoo.com
Thanks
Fatty
fatty, you must be thinking of another poster - i'm not aware of gig/eze low fares, and actually i know that gig/eze fares are not all that cheap, and actually expensive during the december holiday season.
Adam Bomb
Thanks for your comments. What about 1) cost factor, Brasil vs. Argentina; 2) security & crime issues; 3) language. Portuguese is a MUST in Brasil. Would English work in Argentina and last but not the least 4) Atttitude/professionalism of the girls? Thank you.
Johan,
Regarding costs, you'll have to forgive me for my failing memory, as the BsAs trip was two years ago. Also, contributing to the issue is the difference in the currency value, which was almost dead on 1:1 Arg.Peso: US Dollar at the time of my visit.
Things are very much different now, in that respect.
I do believe, though, that even now the hotel situation would probably be a toss-up between both destinations. Last month i had booked a hotel in BsAs for $75 per night. Staying at the Roiss or Debret in Rio is about the same price. Of course, you can pay much more in either city. I wouldn't recommend paying less, though.
I'm pretty sure that food in both cities would also be even, price-wise. The devaluation in the Arg.Peso and Brasilian Real are almost even, in fact.
Language:
It's odd, but in Argentina, many of the girls understand Portuguese a bit. The counter is not really true, as Brasilian's don't understand Spanish (generalization, confirmed by a Brasilian friend of mine). The Argentinian girls you will meet will be more educated than the Brasileras, and more girls in BsAs speak English than girls in Rio. The Argentinians are also probably going to be a bit older, and more sophisticated.... I went to Argentina not knowing any more Spanish than i could learn in the week before my trip. Unfortunately, that bit of Spanish was jumbled-up with the bit of Portuguese i had been studying during the year i had been making visits to Rio.... And, since i went immediately from BsAs to RJ, my Portuguese was a bit wrecked during that second week.... But, whatever. I'm now finding, with more fluency in Portuguese, that Spanish is indeed very similar, and many of the words are almost the same. Or, you can clearly see from where they are derived.
Still, though, i know for a fact that you can have an incredible time in either place, not knowing a lick of either of the languages. It is, of course, much more interesting, involving, and 'fun' when you can communicate. Also, it shows a respect for the culture you're 'invading....'
Professionalism:
In general, i don't feel that the girls in Rio are very professional at all. In fact, knowing quite a few of them as "friends," it's difficult to really conceive of them being in the business of prostitution. They're just such "regular" girls (maybe excepting the Boite girls: Barbarella?). Even the terma girls are just really very sweet people. This of course may be disputed, but it has been my experience. Then again, i probably just gravitate toward the sweet side of things, and away from the hardcore....
In Buenos Aires, i didn't get quite the same feeling. I really only frequented two of the clubs: Black and Playwomen. There, it's really very much like going to Barbarella. The women are "on the clock." Things were just 'less personal.' I used the short-term motels for a couple of hours with each girl, and only rarely brought them back to my hotel room. That alone made things more 'business-like,' as you're only renting the room for a couple of hours.... But, as i say, these are only my experiences. I'm sure that things vary quite a bit based on where and how you find the women in either location. In general, though, i believe you're more likely to find a true GFE in Rio.
if heard from some recent visitors to rio of a rash of hold-ups. they seem to occur after 3a in the area of the debret & bob's. looks like they wait for the security guard at debret to go off duty.
you are correct . they are aware of when the security for the alcazar rest. leaves. They wait for people to leave help after 3 A.M and hold them up when they are walking home to debret or an apartment. This happened two 2 of my friends. No problem though just give them your reals and they will run off, hopefully you won't have a lot on you.
Why wouldn,t they take a cab home when they already know how bad rio is?People use your head.lt,s just like a young female walking through central park late at nite.
I've come back from my 10-day sexual trip to Rio, it was my first incursion into the Rio scene.
In total I've enjoyed 12 different pussies: 5 from Help and 7 from Monte Carlo.
Let's start with the Monte Carlo experiences:
1st visit: They told me the rates (BRL 50 entrance, BRL 40 per 40-min room and BRL 100 per 40-min pussy) and they took me around the premises to take a look. There were around 50 pussies there, on average on the 7.5-8.0 range on the Richter scale of beauty and an average age of 19-22 yo. After a while I chose 2 pussies (6.5 and 9.0) and went up to the room for a 40-min session. Both pussies showed an excellent attitude, motivated and keen to please all the way through: their technique was great and their performance outstanding.
2nd visit: I selected a 19 year old mulatta (8.5), she gave BBBJ but she didn't allow me to suck her tits, this wasn't a problem anyway, but remember: it's better to clarify all the points beforehand, I asked her about the BBBJ but I didn't ask her about sucking her tits (I took it for granted), I learnt the lesson and from then on I included this new question on my preliminary interview of the pussy. Her attitude was ok and her technique acceptable, but not as good as the first 2 chicks I had tried.
3rd visit: I took again the 9.0 (20 years old) I had on my first visit along with 2 other new pussies (7.0 and 7.5), both 22. The 4 of us went up to the room for another 40-min session. It was a great way of spending 40 minutes! I highly recommend the 3-pussy experience, even though I should've booked 1 hour: 40 min aren't enough to fully enjoy 3 pussies. The 3 chicks had excellent attitude and technique.
4th visit (and last): I chose a 24 years old blue-eyed blonde (8.0), with good attitude and a reasonable technique, she was sort of cuddly and sweet. Afterwards I started negotiations with another pussy for an all-night deal (the blonde didn't work as an all-nighter, unfortunately), we got to an agreement for BRL 200 from 1 am that night to 10 am the following day. She behaved quite well during the night, but she looked a bit inexperienced.
In general, I quite enjoyed Monte Carlo, the more times you go the sweeter the pussies become because they start to know you
and they're aware that you're a regular and do their best to be selected. All pussies I had in MC, except the all-nighter, gave BBBJ.
I didn't have the time to try other termas. One thing that I didn't like about MC is that when you take only 1 pussy they give you a room with a single bed, I hate single beds! There's no space to manoeuvre on them, I find that a definite drawback. Is it like that in the other termas too?
I'll try to write my report on my Help experiences one of these days.
Gladiator , the Cabins (40 min) are the smaller rooms and the suite (1 hour )are the bigger rooms , the room you get depends on the amount of time you choose.
You should have tried the other Thermas too ...
I am itching to get back to Rio ..
Originally posted by Gladiator
I've come back from my 10-day sexual trip to Rio, it was my first incursion into the Rio scene.
In total I've enjoyed 12 different pussies: 5 from Help and 7 from Monte Carlo.
Let's start with the Monte Carlo experiences:
1st visit: They told me the rates (BRL 50 entrance, BRL 40 per 40-min room and BRL 100 per 40-min pussy) and they took me around the premises to take a look. There were around 50 pussies there, on average on the 7.5-8.0 range on the Richter scale of beauty and an average age of 19-22 yo. After a while I chose 2 pussies (6.5 and 9.0) and went up to the room for a 40-min session. Both pussies showed an excellent attitude, motivated and keen to please all the way through: their technique was great and their performance outstanding.
2nd visit: I selected a 19 year old mulatta (8.5), she gave BBBJ but she didn't allow me to suck her tits, this wasn't a problem anyway, but remember: it's better to clarify all the points beforehand, I asked her about the BBBJ but I didn't ask her about sucking her tits (I took it for granted), I learnt the lesson and from then on I included this new question on my preliminary interview of the pussy. Her attitude was ok and her technique acceptable, but not as good as the first 2 chicks I had tried.
3rd visit: I took again the 9.0 (20 years old) I had on my first visit along with 2 other new pussies (7.0 and 7.5), both 22. The 4 of us went up to the room for another 40-min session. It was a great way of spending 40 minutes! I highly recommend the 3-pussy experience, even though I should've booked 1 hour: 40 min aren't enough to fully enjoy 3 pussies. The 3 chicks had excellent attitude and technique.
4th visit (and last): I chose a 24 years old blue-eyed blonde (8.0), with good attitude and a reasonable technique, she was sort of cuddly and sweet. Afterwards I started negotiations with another pussy for an all-night deal (the blonde didn't work as an all-nighter, unfortunately), we got to an agreement for BRL 200 from 1 am that night to 10 am the following day. She behaved quite well during the night, but she looked a bit inexperienced.
In general, I quite enjoyed Monte Carlo, the more times you go the sweeter the pussies become because they start to know you
and they're aware that you're a regular and do their best to be selected. All pussies I had in MC, except the all-nighter, gave BBBJ.
I didn't have the time to try other termas. One thing that I didn't like about MC is that when you take only 1 pussy they give you a room with a single bed, I hate single beds! There's no space to manoeuvre on them, I find that a definite drawback. Is it like that in the other termas too?
I'll try to write my report on my Help experiences one of these days.
Yes all thermas work on the same principle
small room , 40 min called cabin
big room , 1 hr called suite..
Originally posted by Gladiator
I've come back from my 10-day sexual trip to Rio, it was my first incursion into the Rio scene.
In total I've enjoyed 12 different pussies: 5 from Help and 7 from Monte Carlo.
Let's start with the Monte Carlo experiences:
1st visit: They told me the rates (BRL 50 entrance, BRL 40 per 40-min room and BRL 100 per 40-min pussy) and they took me around the premises to take a look. There were around 50 pussies there, on average on the 7.5-8.0 range on the Richter scale of beauty and an average age of 19-22 yo. After a while I chose 2 pussies (6.5 and 9.0) and went up to the room for a 40-min session. Both pussies showed an excellent attitude, motivated and keen to please all the way through: their technique was great and their performance outstanding.
2nd visit: I selected a 19 year old mulatta (8.5), she gave BBBJ but she didn't allow me to suck her tits, this wasn't a problem anyway, but remember: it's better to clarify all the points beforehand, I asked her about the BBBJ but I didn't ask her about sucking her tits (I took it for granted), I learnt the lesson and from then on I included this new question on my preliminary interview of the pussy. Her attitude was ok and her technique acceptable, but not as good as the first 2 chicks I had tried.
3rd visit: I took again the 9.0 (20 years old) I had on my first visit along with 2 other new pussies (7.0 and 7.5), both 22. The 4 of us went up to the room for another 40-min session. It was a great way of spending 40 minutes! I highly recommend the 3-pussy experience, even though I should've booked 1 hour: 40 min aren't enough to fully enjoy 3 pussies. The 3 chicks had excellent attitude and technique.
4th visit (and last): I chose a 24 years old blue-eyed blonde (8.0), with good attitude and a reasonable technique, she was sort of cuddly and sweet. Afterwards I started negotiations with another pussy for an all-night deal (the blonde didn't work as an all-nighter, unfortunately), we got to an agreement for BRL 200 from 1 am that night to 10 am the following day. She behaved quite well during the night, but she looked a bit inexperienced.
In general, I quite enjoyed Monte Carlo, the more times you go the sweeter the pussies become because they start to know you
and they're aware that you're a regular and do their best to be selected. All pussies I had in MC, except the all-nighter, gave BBBJ.
I didn't have the time to try other termas. One thing that I didn't like about MC is that when you take only 1 pussy they give you a room with a single bed, I hate single beds! There's no space to manoeuvre on them, I find that a definite drawback. Is it like that in the other termas too?
I'll try to write my report on my Help experiences one of these days.
Will be in Rio for two weeks in January. I am planning to rent an apt. The question I have is there any self service laundrymats around copacabana area? Also I know it is hot in Rio is it okay to wear shorts and sneakers to Help disco how about jeans and sneakers?
Hey Gang. I am heading to South America for work in February. It will be a couple of weeks before Carnival. I am going to visit RJ for 3 days before I go to Santiago for a week. Here is my question: Since I only have 3 days, what's the best way to spend that time? Are there any bars that are good for picking up? I probably will check out one of the spots suggested on here (Help maybe) unless someone else has any better ideas.
I am open to suggestions as I will be heading to Santiago for work every other month and would like to stop off in RJ each time. Thanks for the info guys. If you ever want some info on spots in Mexico just let me know.
Ed
dow30, there're many self-service laundromats in Copacabana, just walk around a bit and you'll find them.
I've been 10 nights to Help and I didn't see anyone in shorts but I did see many blokes in jeans & sneakers.
Hey Gladiator
I am curious to learn your Help exp...
There are a lot of self-service laundromats in Copacabana, there's one on Rua Bolivar less than one block from Ave. Atlantica (on your left, walking away from the beach), and another one on the next cross street, to the left. No shorts in Help, jeans and sneakers are fine, though you want to look nice, not too casual, just for the sake of the girls.
I am just curious. I just payed usd $585.00 for a round trip ticket to Rio de Janeiro from New York. Is this a good deal? What is the average airfare for a roundtrip ticket to Rio from the northeast (high season to low season) ? I know during Carnival the rates must be sky high. Also I will be arriving at 7am in the morning. My hotel check in time is noon. What do people do from 7am to noon. I don't want to be lugging my luggage around. I could be the unlucky tourist who gets robbed of all his stuff.
What do people do from 7am to noon?They take a nap at the airport.Carry your luggage around Rio ,no one gonna rob you.They ain,t gonna rob an innocent tourist.let us know your experience when you finally get to rio
dow30:
You'll be fine in Rio. US$585 is about right for high season (December-March, June-July), it's about $100 cheaper in low season. As for you first morning in Rio, by the time you get your luggage, have a friendly chat with customs, shake some reals out of an ATM machine, etc, it'll be 9AM, add almost an hour to drive to your hotel. When you get there, if your room isn't ready for check-in (it probably will be), then have them hold your bags while you go out for a suco and some sidewalk babe-watching. If you are renting an apartement and it aint' ready yet, hand your luggage and a nice tip to the doorman, or to your rental agent, or whatever. As for self-service laundromats, WHY? Hand any clothes to a full-service laundry, it costs pennies per pice to get your clothes done, maybe $10 for an entire suit-case worth (of course, don' t use in-hotel laundry services, way too expensive, walk them over to a laundry). You are spending good money and precious freetime to be on vacation and you want to save a buck doing your own laundry?!? Ues your head a little... As for "dress code," personally for daytime I wear flip-flop beach sandals, swimshorts, and football (soccer) shirt. Nightime clubbing, etc, is a bit more dressy in Rio (everybody is status concious) - slacks or khakis, shirt and decent shoes wil be fine. Jeans and sneakers are OK, but will brand you as a tourist. But don't worry about it, loosen up! You'll be in Rio....
dogdays: And I thought that *I* was sarcastic... hehehe, well, we were all clueless newbies at some time or another.
Speaking of clueless, for anyone who still hasn't got or is still interested in my Rio callgirl guide, I'm still sending them out. If you want one, kick me some email at tombSPAMTRAP@simarchitectSPAMTRAP.com (without the SPAMTRAP, of course).
Enjoy!
Tom B.
Tomb:
Do you use brol.com to buy your tickets? If so, how have your experiences w/ them been?
Thanks in advance,
JWadd
Well, let's go with my Help experiences, just to provide one more version of the story.
During my hunting operations in this great institution I focused on young (preferably 18-21), cute (7+) and non-hardcore all-nighters, that is, I had to go through many chicks before spotting qualified candidates. It took me on average around 2-3 hours to pick up the right ones. I spoke Spanish to the pussies and they understood most of what I said and I also got most of what they said in Portuguese, so communication was smooth and easy. I recruited 6 pussies in total.
1ST PUSSY, 'THE STUNNER': I spotted a 21 yo mulatta stunner and chatted her up. Despite being dressed to kill she neither looked nor talked like a hardcore, there was some kind of innocence in her. When we got down to business the asking price was BRL 300 but after negotiations we agreed BRL 250 with a departure time of 12 noon the following day. On arrival in the room she did a great striptease, she was motivated and horny till she left at 12 noon, as agreed. Marks: Beauty = Stunning, Attitude = Very good, Technique = Good.
2ND PUSSY, 'THE CON ARTIST': 21 yo blue-eyed, blonde, short and busty cuttie, she starts with the BRL 300 shit but we finally agree BRL 250 till 12 noon. Once in the room, while sucking her tits, she says that I have to pay in advance, but I tell her that I never pay in advance: I fuck in advance. She insists on it, but I repeat that I'll pay at 12 noon when she leaves, and she says that she's actually leaving at 9 am, as she's busy in the morning, that is, she was breaking the agreement of the 12 noon departure time, so I decided to release her (I hate scam pussies). After some argument I give her BRL 20 for the taxi and she unwillingly leaves. It was 6 am and I was too tired to get out of the hotel again at that time, so no sex that night. Marks: B = Very cute, A = Very bad, T = ?.
3RD PUSSY, 'THE SWEETIE': 19 yo black and very cute part-timer, sweet and cuddly, she didn't look a pro at all. She was from Sao Paulo, and in Rio on holiday with a client but he gave her 1 day off, I suppose it's true as I only saw her there that night. Rate agreed: BRL 200 till 12 noon. Marks: B = Very cute, A = Excellent, T = Excellent.
4TH PUSSY, 'THE HARDCORE': 21 yo cute brunette, she looked, dressed and talked like a non-hardcore, but she happened to be a hardcore: she was a hardcore with a non-harcore marketing strategy. Anyway, she respected the all-night agreement even though she was somehow mechanical while having sex. Rate agreed: BRL 200 till 10 am. Marks: B = Cute, A = Acceptable, T = Good.
5TH PUSSY, 'THE GIRLFRIEND': 19 yo black and cute part-timer, worked Help only 2-3 nights per week as she also had a 'normal' daytime job. She was the classical girlfriend-style sweet pussy. I spent 3 nights & 2 days with her. Rate agreed: BRL 200 for every 24 hrs. Marks: B = Cute, A = Excellent, T = Good.
6TH PUSSY, 'THE TRAINEE CON ARTIST': 20 yo cute mulatta with stunning body but ordinary face, she looked inexperienced while talking to me and during the negotiations. We finally agreed BRL 200 till 11 am the next day (it was around 5 am when I picked her up). Before leaving Help she introduces me to her friend: one ugly hardcore. In the middle of the fuck her mobile phone rang and she stopped fucking to reply, despite my objections. My first impulse was to kill her straightaway! In the phone conversation she said she'd be out in 20 minutes, maybe forgetting that I understood Portuguese, then she went on with the fuck, finishing with a good BBBJ. As I expected, she said she was leaving because she had to go to college: she couldn't stay till 11 am, as agreed. I reminded her the deal: BRL 200 till 11 am: no 11 am, no BRL 200. She said 'OK, I don't need BRL 200, just give me BRL 50'. I thought it was an excellent offer: BRL 50 for a session of around 1 hour, so I gave her the BRL 50 and she left. My theory is that she was a trainee con artist, who was being trained by the ugly hardcore, who was probably the one that phoned, but she was relatively new to the scene and inexperienced, so when the 'potential victim' refuses to pay, she just asks for BRL 50, which is probably what she charged in her hometown where she worked till a few weeks ago. Marks: B = Cute, A = Good while having sex (except for the stop) but bad afterwards, T = Good.
So in total I enjoyed 5 different pussies from Help, all of them had BBBJ in their repertories except 'The Sweetie', who gave BJ with condom only, but I forgave her because she was so sweet...
RE: Adam Bomb
Thank you so very much for the kind and detailed comments you provided. Very helpful indeed.
Regarding professionalism. I concur with your experience that the Carioca girls are totally nice and "non professional" and had a "friendship". In fact, some of the girls invited me to join them at their local clubs after the termas close. I am not a "big spender" at the termas, I guess the girls invited me alone as a friend. Funny, on my last trip, one of the girls really got upset at me for I did not sleep with her....
Regarding Argentine and Brasilera girls. I have never visited Argentina so I am speaking out of ignorance here. However, I used to know some Argentina girls when I resided in San Francisco (I also know a few Brasileros in San Francisco). Suffice to say, Brasileros are a lot warmer than Argentines... but then, it was two years ago when the Peso was @ par with US$. Anyways, I am rambling now.....
Again, thank you for your help.
JWadd:
No, I use BACC, for the past 20 years or so. If you want to try them, the contact info is:
http://www.brazilianvacation.com/
1-800-BACC-RIO (outside NY) or (212) 730-1010
(in NY)
Talk to Nice (pronounced like "neice") or Monica.
Glad:
Sounds like you had fun. You did the right thing in being firm with the two girls (#2 and #6) who broke their agreements with you. Personally, I would have kicked cell-phone girl (#6) out with nothing, so she was coming out ahead with R$50. Then again, I'm a certified bastard. ;-)
Tom B.
lookingforcutie
12-04-02, 12:14
Last time I was in Rio I was walking down the Av. Atlantica, checking out the scene and a hooker on the corner actually asked my for spare change. Quiet interesting that a prostitute was asking for change, must've been a slow night.
Gladiator: what was the "con artist's" name? Was it Giselle? It sure as hell sounds like her.
HeadGames, I don't remember her name but she is one of the regulars in Help, she was there every night. She's easy to locate because she's got a fixed territory.
During my study of the behaviour of the pussies within Help I realized that many regular chicks had a fixed territory of around 10-15 square metres, where they hang out most of the time. These chicks seldom venture out of their territories, and when they do so they just walk around the jungle a little bit, but come back to it after a short time. There're also regulars who are erratic and don't seem to have their own territory. So there're 2 kinds of regular pussies in Help: fixed-territory pussies and erratic pussies.
The con-artist was a fixed-territory pussy. Her territory is opposite the small bar that there's on the right-hand side when you get to the top of the stairs. Opposite that bar there's a step that leads to the dance floor: that step was the centre of her territory, sometimes she was on the dance floor side of the step and on other occasions she was on the top side of the step, but I saw her several nights there after I had the bad experience with her. She smiled at me each time she saw me. She said she had a baby and lived near Barra de Tijuca. She was very cute, quite and smooth-talking.
Tom B, you're right: I had fun during my stay in Rio, I definitely have to go back. But Brazil is a big country and Rio may be just the tip of the iceberg, on my next visit I'd like to combine Rio with one other destination by the sea where I can also find action. From what I've read in this forum I'd probably choose either Recife or Fortaleza, maybe there aren't as many hardcores over there as there're in Rio.
I'll have to decide over the next few months...
That's funny, because that's exactly where Giselle hangs out, and also your physical description matches, not to mention her behavior. However, she is from Sao Paulo and not Barra da Tijuca, so it must be somebody else.
Then again...she was from Sao Paulo, but she had an apartment somewhere in Rio, obviously. I didn't think she had a kid, but maybe I'm wrong about that. So maybe it IS her.
I don't know alot of the posters in the Rio section. I regularly post on the Buenos Aires board. I'm gonna be in Rio for 8 days with my friends for New Year's Eve. We are having a party probably New Year's Eve or NY Day. Should be a blast. All those that will be there then and want to join us, email me at saintofba@hotmail.com
This is gonna be great!
Saint
Member #1698
12-05-02, 21:12
Re: Shrink wrapped...
By Andrei Khalip
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters) - Forget high heels, provocative clothes and makeup -- the prostitutes congress of Rio de Janeiro state is a serious event for mature women who say their profession is nothing to be ashamed of.
This week's meeting brought together 80 prostitutes from such cities as Brazil's tourist mecca of Rio and the oil boom town of Macae to debate such issues as strengthening their associations, fully legalizing prostitution and protecting against sexually transmitted diseases.
The crowd was mostly middle-aged women wearing casual blouses, skirts and sandals.
"Young cute girls don't come here a lot. The women you see here are trying to organize themselves so that they get some help to survive after they have to abandon the job," said Waldo Cesar, 80-year-old president of Davida nongovernmental organization for the rights of prostitutes.
In fighting for their rights, women need all their self-esteem and have to abandon the shame traditionally associated with being a prostitute, the sociologist says. "We help them to respect the option they made," he said.
Davida, which organized the two-day event that ended on Wednesday, hopes that one day "sex professional" would be written in the women's work papers, entitling them to social benefits and pension, just as any other profession.
Charging as little as $3 to $15 per client allows the women working in the street to survive, but rarely leaves much to save for the retirement that normally comes long before they reach 40. Higher-paid "call girls" normally have other professions and do not take part in Davida's activities.
Prostitution is only half-legal in Brazil. It is not prohibited to offer sexual services for money, but exploiting others is, which in fact means that brothels and sex agencies are banned, at least on paper.
That, Davida insists, only leads to corruption. It supports a change in law that could legalize prostitution and go a long way toward changing the perception that it is a crime-linked business. Congress participants said virtually none of the women today have pimps.
In its final document, the congress gave its support to the bill. It also announced the creation of a monthly forum of "sex professionals" in the state and said it would suggest such forums in every state at the next week's wider meeting for southeastern and northeastern Brazil in Salvador.
Hand-outs, emblazoned with "No shame, girl, you have a profession" logo, included a booklet with tips for safe sex and beauty, as well as a balance sheet to control finances.
But the women said their service is more than just selling sex. Doroth de Castro, a 46-year-old black prostitute, said she also treats her clients' psychological problems.
"I consider myself a qualified shrink ... This is a macho culture here in Brazil, so the man who has to be macho at home with his wife or with his friends in the street can relax and just be himself with me. I am not a threat to his macho-ness."
To do the job, she insists, the prostitute has to give her best to the client. "We work with feelings -- so seduction, passion and pleasure always have to be involved. Otherwise you simply lose a client and get irritated yourself," Castro said.
Originally posted by HeadGames
Then again...she was from Sao Paulo, but she had an apartment somewhere in Rio, obviously. I didn't think she had a kid, but maybe I'm wrong about that. So maybe it IS her.
It might be her. How was your experience with that blonde? Did she ask for advance payment? Did she break the contract?
She said she had an apartment in Rio, and also one in Sao Paulo(!). And she had a Volkswagen. She didn't mention anything about a kid. She wanted 300 R for two hours, or 400 for all night - firm. She woudn't negotiate, and finally I told her she was just too professional for my taste, so I didn't take her home. By tremendous coincidence, a local I hung out with the next night knew her and told me that she was really pissed off about the gringo she spent all evening with but didn't take her home, which of course was me. She has pale skin, blue eyes, and very long hair. You really notice her hair and eyes. You think it might be her? Again, her name was Giselle. I'm just curious who else on the board has had experiences with this woman.
There're too many coincidences, so it's perfectly possible that the con artist was Giselle. Who knows? And in any case, who cares?
The important point is to always be firm with every single scamming pussy you come across.
I never paid in advance, which put me at an advantage. After the con artist experience I decided to clearly inform each chick that I recruited that payment time was the same as departure time, to avoid missunderstandings.
With the mobile phone pussy, for instance, when she told me she had to leave, I had already been almost 1 hour with her and I had already come once (in her mouth, by the way), so I had nothing to lose as I hadn't paid anything yet. She ended up asking for just R$ 50, which I thought was a reasonable rate, so in a tremendous act of generosity I gave her R$ 50.
I think payment in arrears is a key factor to be in control of the situation.
Well, I think you make a pretty good point. I usually negotiate "all night", but if you leave Help at 4:00AM, what does that really mean? From now on, I think I'll follow your lead and say "until noon" or whatever it is I feel like. As far as paying in advance, I never did that anyway. I think it's a good idea to establish that before leaving Help, as well, because I have had a couple of women try to get me to pay in advance (I always refuse). Who needs that argument when you're trying to get warmed up for sex before the buzz wears off?
travaler69
12-07-02, 22:55
HEY GUYS, I am new to the board, and have to say you guys rock!!!. Tons of useful info, I wanted to ask a question to some of the senior{been,there done that guys}about the difference between costa rica and brazil.I spent two months in costa in (99) and it was unreal,went to the local joints and the most I spent was 5000 colones.Quality of the girls was hit or miss but I HIT A FEW SOLID 10"S.My question is that I am planning another adventure and from everything I have read BRAZIL sounds fantastic.I am just trying to justify the added considerable expense, paying $1oo.oo to 200.00 us. for a knockout from HELP is just to rich for my blood.Could any of you guys who have been to both places,illuminate me on your opinions.And also travel options or package deals to brazil, I checked for roundtrip flights out of denver for a months stay in rio and the cheapest was $1.600.00 Any and all info would be greatly appreciated.
I think it's essential to agree a departure time in advance, otherwise you don't know what to expect, I always made a point of it. Usually, when asked, the chicks offered a departure time of 8-9 am, but I told them that no way, that I needed some sleep before waking up, and I also explained to them that with a later departure time they could sleep more themselves -considering that women are lazy by nature I guess they could see some benefit for them too with a later departure time. I used to negotiate the departure time at the same time as the rate. Most chicks negotiated the dep time with no problem as often they have nothing to do in the morning/afternoon.
Another point that I always clarified with them during negotiations was that morning time was sex time too. I had a couple of problems in this regard with all-nighters in other countries (before my visit to Rio), so I prefer to make it clear to them too, so that the idea of getting up in the morning and leaving without having sex doesn't even cross their minds.
Originally posted by travaler69
HI am just trying to justify the added considerable expense, paying $1oo.oo to 200.00 us. for a knockout from HELP is just to rich for my blood.
The guys are quoting in Brasilian R$, not USD.
Don't want to upset anybody here, but you are overpaying. An ''ALL NIGHTER"" is say 9-10pm until the morning/breakfast time. After 2am a girls chances of being picked are getting low unless its a Saturday night. By 4am or later (most of the night has gone), they are basically on a damage limitation exercise and want to recoup the costs of make-up/travel/entry to Help/food etc. Make a starting offer of 100R$, max 150R$ after that time. Many of the girls working at Help live outside the Zona Sul and travel there by bus. If they don't get a gringo, they leave Help and have to wait until 6am or slightly later to catch a bus home. If you take her out at 3am or so, she's getting a warm bed until sunrise for a safe trip home.
The girls that stand/sit right at the top of the stairs as you first enter Help tend to overcharge/have an attitude. Try and find a girl outside or earlier in the night, that way you are not forced into selecting the cast off's right at the end. There is probably a reason some girls are still hanging about at 4am, or maybe they did a short time earlier and returned to Help, so you are getting seconds!
Feel free to interogate me!
traveler69:
i've been to both costa rica & rio. i got tired of the san jose scene fairly quickly. it's good for a long weekend, IMHO. i went to SJ in 2001, haven't return, nor do i want to. i first visited rio last april & am returning next sunday, cause i liked it so much.
there are three things Rio has that SJ doesn't:
1. Brasileras of various colors, sizes and shapes.
2. termas
3. beaches with babes in thongs!
don't get hung up too much on the cost of the help girls. spend more time exploring the various termas. you'll find plenty of knockouts there. they're less expensive than the help girls. if you find some one you like, it's possible to meet them after work or on weekends.
bring a portugues phrase book. or better yet, learn some portuguese. the more portuguese you know, the better your trip will be. (i took a 12 week portuguese language course.) if you speak some spanish, you'll do fine.
if you're planning on traveling during xmas, new years or carnival, your expenses will be double. hotel and apartments can be found online. personally i prefer apartments. they're much cheaper than a hotel, and guest, i.e. babes, can be brought to your room without any hassle. just make sure your apartment has a doorman. if you're planning on a month stay, i'm sure you can negotiate a better rate.
you're biggest expense will be airfare. check the airlines websites and check with a consolidator. fares go up & down. (my airfare in april out of chicago was $560RT. this time it's $936RT, and i've seen fares of $430) also join a frequent flyer program. if you buy a consolidators ticket , find out if you get mileage credit.
Travaler69... I used to be a big advocate of CR... I visited CR about 12 times in a 3 year period. I thought it was the best place in the world. That is until I finally decided to give Rio a try. I will not be going back to CR any time soon...... Unless something unforeseen happens here in Rio.... I liked Rio so much I moved here almost 2 years ago.....
I would advise you to learn as much Portuguese as you can before you arrive here....
The cost of renting an apartment would depend on your dates... Carnival and New Years being the most expensive time to visit.... Also the longer your visit the lower the cost of the apt. Most of the buildings here in Rio have doormen.... so security should not be too much of a concern. However you should always be very careful who you bring back to the apartment........ I'm not saying that every girl here is out to rip you off but it does happen......
kenn
www.EZ-RioRentals.com
By the way, I stayed in one of Kenn's apartments on my last trip and I can vouch that he takes pretty good care of you.
I got back from Rio last week and would like to thank the contributors to this board for the info on the termas. Centaurus was a great atmosphere and alot of fun. It was my first time to try 2 girls and was great. I just saw an HBO brothel special where the Las Vegas brothel girls who aren't even as nice as some Centaurus girls get $500-$1000 per hour. I just smiled when I saw that. It made me appreciate RIo even more.
Unfortunately, I lost 4 days of my 8 day trip due to bad illness. I am wondering if anbody else has gotten sick (very high fever, swollen throat, but no stomach problems) after kissing so many girls. Mine kicked in 24 hrs after first Centarus visit where I made out with 5-6 girls. Doctor in US says my symptoms do not match trouble from food/water and are most likely from "intimate contact" with local girl (as I somewhat described to him). I would be interested to hear others experiences to see if it is common, since as much fun as I had at Centaurus, the 4 days in bed were pure hell, and I am not sure I would return if I had to go through that again.
Al Kikuras
12-10-02, 04:41
Originally posted by kenn
I will not be going back to CR any time soon...... Unless something unforeseen happens here in Rio.... I liked Rio so much I moved here almost 2 years ago.....
I went to Rio earlier this year and loved it. kenn how difficult was the move to Rio? are you there on a Visa?
What advice do you have for Americans moving there? If things fell into place I'd seriously consider the move.
Probably will be making a return trip early next year. Unfortunately I think Carnival will be too expensive for me.
Member #4239
12-10-02, 10:46
Ezez
Sounds like you got a case of the mono. For your sake, hopefully that's the worst thing that you got. I personally am not into kissing pros.
Just checking the Brasilian consulate site for my visa application requirements. Looks like they hiked the fee to 100$ in reciprocity for the 100$ we charge the Brasilians to apply for a U.S. travel visa. Thanks uncle Sam! J.G.
Ezez,
Yikes! I have tongue-kissed every garota I've ever been with down there, pro and non-pro. Your experience is food for thought.
Headhunter2000
12-11-02, 02:38
Originally posted by ezez
Unfortunately, I lost 4 days of my 8 day trip due to bad illness. I am wondering if anbody else has gotten sick (very high fever, swollen throat, but no stomach problems) after kissing so many girls.Ezez, I had a very similar experience when I went to Rio. I had the same symptoms you described. I think it was some type of flu, but worse than any one I've ever experienced at home. I suppose when you travel to foreign countries, your body is exposed to new viruses that it has no resistance to. I too engaged in DFK with the Cariocas--always initiated by them, not me. While DFK does make for a better GFE, I guess the lesson is, it isn't really worth the risk.
HH
I saw that show on HBO man was i laughing like hell , those poor suckers ....
I fell ill after coming back ... i think it was mostly becuase of the hazing i did on the last night...
But i am an Asian living in America so that must have saved me ...
Originally posted by ezez
I got back from Rio last week and would like to thank the contributors to this board for the info on the termas. Centaurus was a great atmosphere and alot of fun. It was my first time to try 2 girls and was great. I just saw an HBO brothel special where the Las Vegas brothel girls who aren't even as nice as some Centaurus girls get $500-$1000 per hour. I just smiled when I saw that. It made me appreciate RIo even more.
Unfortunately, I lost 4 days of my 8 day trip due to bad illness. I am wondering if anbody else has gotten sick (very high fever, swollen throat, but no stomach problems) after kissing so many girls. Mine kicked in 24 hrs after first Centarus visit where I made out with 5-6 girls. Doctor in US says my symptoms do not match trouble from food/water and are most likely from "intimate contact" with local girl (as I somewhat described to him). I would be interested to hear others experiences to see if it is common, since as much fun as I had at Centaurus, the 4 days in bed were pure hell, and I am not sure I would return if I had to go through that again.
Member #1698
12-12-02, 05:33
Re: "mono"-like symptoms...
There are two forms of dengue fever...the milder version is like the flu but also with aching joints and generally lasts for 4-8 days.
A few years ago, I got similar symptoms in Rio and went to a top doc there, who diagnosed a fungal infection in the throat, which she said probably came as a result of DATY rather than just kissing...but hey since my partners were also doing BBBJ's on me and girl-on-girl oral on each other plus some rimming as well as deep kissing...who could really tell.
I can only imagine explaining in my limited Portugese that I wanted my garotas to use a dental dam...
These days when I monger, I tend to audition willing non-pros and send them for medical tests or I stick to low-mileage semi-pros/high-end models and make sure I meet them when I am sober and check their mouths and hygiene out very carefully before my tongue enters any orifices and vice-versa.
If you have any ordinary middle-class Brazilian friends in SP or Rio, they probably all know friends or relatives who contracted HIV and/or have died of AIDS. There's a lot of bisexualityand drug use in the big Br cities, so you are playing roulette if you go with girls who have had hundreds of sex partners. The other thing you will notice with Brazilian girls in general is that if you do repeat GFE with them , nearly all will wake you up in the middle of the night for some bareback penetration.
Originally posted by kevin_405
I saw that show on HBO man was i laughing like hell , those poor suckers ....
I fell ill after coming back ... i think it was mostly becuase of the hazing i did on the last night...
But i am an Asian living in America so that must have saved me ...
Originally posted by Hhomeboy
Re: "mono"-like symptoms...
There are two forms of dengue fever...the milder version is like the flu but also with aching joints and generally lasts for 4-8 days.
A few years ago, I got similar symptoms in Rio and went to a top doc there, who diagnosed a fungal infection in the throat, which she said probably came as a result of DATY rather than just kissing...but hey since my partners were also doing BBBJ's on me and girl-on-girl oral on each other plus some rimming as well as deep kissing...who could really tell.
I can only imagine explaining in my limited Portugese that I wanted my garotas to use a dental dam...
These days when I monger, I tend to audition willing non-pros and send them for medical tests or I stick to low-mileage semi-pros/high-end models and make sure I meet them when I am sober and check their mouths and hygiene out very carefully before my tongue enters any orifices and vice-versa.
If you have any ordinary middle-class Brazilian friends in SP or Rio, they probably all know friends or relatives who contracted HIV and/or have died of AIDS. There's a lot of bisexualityand drug use in the big Br cities, so you are playing roulette if you go with girls who have had hundreds of sex partners. The other thing you will notice with Brazilian girls in general is that if you do repeat GFE with them , nearly all will wake you up in the middle of the night for some bareback penetration.
I will be a first time visiter to Brazil in the month of March,I would
like to know what are thermas, and are they better than the clubs
that are always mentioned on the rio reports.Also when I get to
Rio how would I find these thermas.Can you guys pease tell
me how to find them when I get to Rio. Any help you guys can
provide I would really appreciate.
Member #4239
12-12-02, 07:27
Hhomeboy
Your post really cracked me up. I have to say that it was also full of errors.
First of all adults don't typically get "fungal infections of the throat". The only people who are predisposed to getting that kind of infection are immuncompromised adults(e.g people with HIV, people who get chemotherapy or steroids, etc). So either your "top doctor" was full of it, or you better run and get an HIV test.
Second of all, it is absurd to think that somehow, magically, you can look at some one's mouth or other orifices and know what kind of infections they have or have not.
By the way, you can't get dengue from kissing, unless you like kissing a lot of mosquitos! J.G.
Member #1005
12-12-02, 22:05
Hi Scotland,
In answer to your question about Termas, generally they are easy to find, get into any cab and tell them the name and they will take you there.
Question: Are they (termas) better than clubs?
Answer: Yes, of course they are as the girls tend to be at the quality end of the market, students etc many speak English and yes you can kiss them. I personally kissed many girls and putting my hand on my heart say I came away with no type of illness,whatsoever. Two girls I met they offered to meet up the following day and gave me their mobile numbers. But if you’re in Brazil you must try a Terma once in your life.
Most of the information you are asking about is already contained on the board, (Question: What is a terma?) I know because I’ve posted a detailed report back in July with address and prices, which are still current, just scroll down to find this, but I imagine you’re a bit too lazy to do this, so try this link www.hotside.com.br/hotside6.htm
One word of warning, most termas accept credit cards but it shows up on your bill as a massage parlor and if you’re planning to go back, more than once, be careful; because of the high numbers of credit card fraud in South America your credit card company may suspend your card and send you a letter to your home address or leave telephone messages for you to get in contact. This is what happened to me on my visit, they suspended both my cards the two times I visited – so avoid the hassle and pay cash, so take the money of your card. They half-heartedly apologized but said it was a fraud preventatives measure but it’s too late when you’re already arrived back home. I did suggest that in future please e-mail rather than write to my home or leave messages when I am on the other side of the world as we are now in the 21st century.
Enjoy yourself
Juniour
Scotland
Write down the names and addresses of termas. You can find them in the yellow pages while in Rio but here are my favorite ones:
Terma Monte Carlo, rua hilario de gouveia, 19 in Copa mon-sat
Terma Solarium, rua JJ Seabra, 21 in Jardim Botanico, mon-sat
Terma Luomo, rua Siqueiro Campos by shopping mall, in Copa mon-sun
Terma 4 por 4, rua Buenos Aires, 44 in Centro.
Terma Centaurus is hit and miss, Rua Canning, 44 in Ipanema
Terma Aeroporto, 65 in Centro and Rio Antigo in Gloria, visit only if you have a lot of time on hand.
Terma has a fixed pricing system and garotas work full time there while at Clubs you find free lancers. I personally love termas and get mixed results at clubs like Barbarella and Help.
March should be awesome unless you go during Carnaval.
I did not any problems using my credit cards at monte carlo.
it just showed up as MC on my card.
Make sure you inform your credit card not to block your card if you use it in Brazil...
Originally posted by Juniour
Hi Scotland,
In answer to your question about Termas, generally they are easy to find, get into any cab and tell them the name and they will take you there.
Question: Are they (termas) better than clubs?
Answer: Yes, of course they are as the girls tend to be at the quality end of the market, students etc many speak English and yes you can kiss them. I personally kissed many girls and putting my hand on my heart say I came away with no type of illness,whatsoever. Two girls I met they offered to meet up the following day and gave me their mobile numbers. But if you’re in Brazil you must try a Terma once in your life.
Most of the information you are asking about is already contained on the board, (Question: What is a terma?) I know because I’ve posted a detailed report back in July with address and prices, which are still current, just scroll down to find this, but I imagine you’re a bit too lazy to do this, so try this link www.hotside.com.br/hotside6.htm
One word of warning, most termas accept credit cards but it shows up on your bill as a massage parlor and if you’re planning to go back, more than once, be careful; because of the high numbers of credit card fraud in South America your credit card company may suspend your card and send you a letter to your home address or leave telephone messages for you to get in contact. This is what happened to me on my visit, they suspended both my cards the two times I visited – so avoid the hassle and pay cash, so take the money of your card. They half-heartedly apologized but said it was a fraud preventatives measure but it’s too late when you’re already arrived back home. I did suggest that in future please e-mail rather than write to my home or leave messages when I am on the other side of the world as we are now in the 21st century.
Enjoy yourself
Juniour
Member #4239
12-16-02, 02:00
to all the experts on the brasilian scene:
i have been to brasil plenty of times, but have never been to the termas(i have pretty much always done the girl friend thing over there). i was wondering how easy it is to get the terma girls to do anal and be on the receiving end of [CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101). it doesn't matter whether it be in the terma itself or later in the apt/hotel. thanks for the info. j.g.
J.G.
If you look at the profiles of girls on the websites, you'll see that some of them say "Chuva de Ouro" or something like that. Translates to "Showers of Gold." I don't know if that means "giving" or "receiving."
I really hope you don't find anyone in the termas who will do that, you freaky piece of shit. That is some nasty behaviour. Ain't you had no proper home-training? Have you considered therapy? Just sit and have a talk with someone. Really. "Sit bick und relax. Now, how do you fil about your muddah?"
I'd like to have a philosophy of 'to each, his own," but you really make it difficult.
AB
[Hope you read this with a sense of humour, but i'm really only half kidding. You nasty, baby.]
jw:
no problem doing anal with termas girls - some get pissed off at you if you don't do their ass.... as for "[CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101)", never tried it, not into it at all, but if the price is right, these nuts will do just about anything. only issue you might have is that not all cabines (mini-rooms) in the termas have shower stalls, and management is apt to frown upon anyone pissing on their beds. then again, uncle benjamin speaks with a mighty voice (i.e. you want something freaky, prepare to pay for it - extra costs extra).
tom b.
Member #4239
12-17-02, 15:13
To tomb: thanks for the info
To AB: not even therapy can save me!
I don't speak Portugese. Can I get laid in Brazil. Where is the best action for newbies? I wouldn't mind paying for it, but within reason, of course.
howdy dudes, been a while since i was around here.
J.G. seems you are into some pretty weird stuff. i reckon there should be no problem getting what you want in rio though .
some of those mulatta girls are into all sorts of shit ( or so i`m told). the first time i went to rio , about 5 years ago i realised all my deepest desires and more - and that was on the first trip.
i reckon what you seek could be pretty elementary to SOME chicks.
Member #1698
12-18-02, 00:13
re: J.G. and immuno suppression or fungal infections...
well, unless you are an MD my friend you are full of it; and if you are, then I suggest you brush up on yr. tropical climate infections.
I took your post seriously enough that I phoned a close family member who is an expert on tropical diseases and infectious diseases.
She said that you do not have to be seriously immuno suppressed to get a persistent fungal malady sticking in yr. throat.
When I did have this some 20 yrs ago, I had also had a mild form of dengue type flu for sveral days, which certainly caused some immuno-supression (as can too much wine, women and early mornings).
The mild form dengue I got from a mosquito. The fungal infection either came from my villa's rainwater cistern or from sex partners...I was prescribed antiobiotics and injected with a jolt as well as checked for syphillis...the fungal infection disappeared soon after treatments.
You can also get persistent sore throats and some glandular irritations fromother STD's as well as from mono or flu type viruses.
As for medical checks and close inspections...personal hygiene is very important--especially if, like me, you like to hang and do repeat GFE with a couple of threesome-prone homegirls. Bleeding gums, certain vaginal discharges or certain redolent odours are often pretty good signs that you ought not to probe certain oprifices unless well wrapped in plastic.
Kissing and oral sex are a lot of the experience but taking precautions when you travel is well-advised--especeially in countries where first-rate, free or low-cost health-care is limited or unavailable to much of the local population.
I'll try not to post on this subject again as it is slightly off-topic.
You can also get a sore throat from extensive cock-sucking - it's all that banging against the tonsils that does it... ;-)
At least so says an openly gay co-worker of mine (no personal experience!). He starts cracking jokes every time I come to work with a cold, sumbitch. Oh well, we all have to get our laughs somehow.....
Tom B.
Member #4239
12-18-02, 08:26
Hhomeboy
I repeat: healty adults do not typically get fungal infections of their throat. End of story.
I think we all agree that "bleeding gums" and "foul odors" are definitely good signs that you should stay away from that area of the body/that person. Daaaah. Isn't that stating the obvious? I mean a three year old would know that. But even if an orifice looks perfectly normal, disease could still be very much present.
PENTA. J.G.
Member #1698
12-19-02, 06:57
re: J.G....I really can't believe I'm replying to yr. inanities...
I usually monger alone or with a bi-girl who does most of the advance work and re-con; sometimes, when I know the places I'm going I'll go with one friend or a couple of business acquaintances....otherwise, I'm a solo nocturnal rambler.
What I've noticed (and from my own rookie and sophomore phases 20 yrs ago) is that a lot of guys get shitfaced drunk and end up doing the not-so-protected nasty with some women whom they wouldn't have touched even with a pretentious poseur such as yourself's dick had they been even moderately juiced as opposed to slammo and fault-blind.
One thing guys who are trying to save money do or if you go to places with strict no-takeout policies (eg. some KTV's in Asia) or you are in a country where fraternizing with gringos outside the casa is looked down upon (eg. some Caribbean places if the girl is a local) is get a cell phone no. and/or arrange a next-day rendez-vous...it;s amazing how different that 9 can look when you are sober and she is not playing you on the game in a deceptively lit club.
My favourite chica recon companion is an obstetric unit nurse in Sampa--she can really tell a lot about telltale signs of possible STD's or other often hidden health issues.
And, yeah, JG, like Duh-uh-uh, I think most people know you can pick up infections from women who show no overt signs, which is why I try and avoid high-risk providers in favour of amateurs or high maintenance semi-pros.
I'll be in BA and Br in March and have already lined up a number of chicas for some tryouts...if I'm actually going to travel with someone and have a lot of repeat exposure, I'm going to have her and any other bi-friend/threesome companion checked out and tested at a reputable clinic--I know too many guys who have ended up with painful and potentially permanently damaging STD's because they went crazy and damn the consequences.
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Member #4239
12-19-02, 09:49
homeboy
I didn't understand your last post, but I agree that enough has been said. Good luck to you and your "bi chica recon companion"whatever. PENTA. J.G.
Sorry to asks a question that is probadly been answered in this board but I can't find it. Getting ready for my trip to Rio next month. Does anyone know where you can buy viagra without prescription in Rio. How much does it costs and is it geniune? Thanks
From what l understand one can buy viagra from any pharmacy in Rio,just tell the pharmacist what you want and he will be able to sell them for and l believe it cost $6.00.
You can buy Pfizer viagra at any drogaria without a prescription but it is not cheap. Price varies from drogaria to drogaria. I paid 84R for 5 100mg pills on my last trip.
Jony Vegas
12-24-02, 08:52
Hi Gents - Can anyone tell me a good place to stay in Rio that is close to the action, beach and is safe? What would the cost be in March or April (not during carnival)?
Also, what can a normal person expecting normal things from a lady working at a terma expect to pay. What about for someone at Help or a club?
Thanks
Jony Vegas
I would suggest reading this board, and all your answers will be revealed.
BlameItOnMo
12-25-02, 01:32
Well, it looks like I'll be going it alone for Carnaval in Rio in 2003. I already put the time in for it at work.
I need some info on apartments or hotels central to the Carnaval and beach action, what to expect from the ladies (both professional and non-professional, costs associated with Carnaval (what are package deals going for, and what's thier availability?), and the low-down on where to find the best action. I want to know every seedy disturbing detail so I know exactly what to expect :). You have your mission gentlemen.
Jony Vegas, during carnival, it is best to rent a 10 day apartment because hotels cost $150USD per day or more during the 5 days of Carnival. The only catch to the apartment is that you have to take the package for no less than 10 days for $763 ($76.30 per day or they claim $90 per day for the 5 days and $30 each additional day after). Hmm, 10 days in Rio where there are the best looking women in the world who are not right winged feminist prudes in New York, I'll definitely take it! And I'm talking about apartment in Copacabana beach.
About Help and other discoteques, they are not worth it. They go back to your hotel room for $100USD or R300 for less than an hour. These women are much more expensive than the ones in the termas so I suggest going to the termas to spend the hours. The addresses and phone numbers of the termas are listed in www.ipanema.com. This site also lists the discoteques and non-pro night clubs.
you can find a cheap apartment. i rented one in central copocabana this year for 55 reais per night. during the carnival i paid 100 reais per night.
if you stay in the centro area you can find somewhere even cheaper. i met 2 guys from argentina who were sharing a hotel room for 40 reais per night and they spent all their days at copocabana.
you approach a donna of some apartments and she will find you one . in many cases the apartment you rent will be already occupied by someone else but when the GRINGO with the big wallet comes to stay for a month or so the ocupier moves out to stay with some friends or in a cheaper location and gets a cut of the revenue.
you should never have to pay more than 150 reais for a girl. sometime you have to bargain to get this but many girls will not refuse this .
I fly to Rio tomorrow from Buenos Aires where I've been the past week. I'd highly recommend David at:
david@gringomanagement.com
www.gringomanagement.com
He is very professional and an American so no problems with language barriers. He owns a ton of nice apartments. Many on the beach. He is always quick with emails and he accepts Paypal.com so you can pay with your credit card. I've referred several of my friends to him that are Rio pros and most told me that his apartments are some of the nicest in Rio.
I'm staying at one for 11 days. He's a good guy. Good luck.
Saint
Originally posted by antoninho
you can find a cheap apartment. i rented one in central copocabana this year for 55 reais per night. during the carnival i paid 100 reais per night.
if you stay in the centro area you can find somewhere even cheaper. i met 2 guys from argentina who were sharing a hotel room for 40 reais per night and they spent all their days at copocabana.
you approach a donna of some apartments and she will find you one . in many cases the apartment you rent will be already occupied by someone else but when the GRINGO with the big wallet comes to stay for a month or so the ocupier moves out to stay with some friends or in a cheaper location and gets a cut of the revenue.
you should never have to pay more than 150 reais for a girl. sometime you have to bargain to get this but many girls will not refuse this .
Antoninho, where can I find an apartment for 55 Reais a day. Who can I contact to get this info? "you approach a donna of some apartments and she will find you one". Who is a donna. Thanks for your help in advance....
Trippleecks
12-27-02, 14:08
No, you are wrong Saint. David does not own a ton of apartments. He owns 1 apt. on Rua Miguel Lemos and he has access to 2 others on Rua Djalma Ulrich in Copacabana. David is very professional and he offers a few nice apts. at fair prices. He may also have access to a few apts. owned by others, but he does not own a ton of apts..
antoninho..
if you are thinking about staying in Centro for Carnival to save a few reais be careful because it is very dangerous there during the Holidays.
Security for 2003 New Year’s to be provided by 8.2 thousand police officers
Rio’s City Hall and the Municipal Secretary of Tourism are presently announcing the support plan for the 2003 New Year’s Eve celebrations, which cost R$ 3 million. The pyrotechnical show will last 12 minutes, and will use 120 tons of fireworks. The Municipal Health Secretariat will place seven medical assistance stations along Copacabana, Flamengo, Ipanema and Barra da Tijuca beaches. In the other places where there will be shows, the Secretariat will make use of the existing local medical assistance stations. To provide security, the Military Police will have 8.2 thousand soldiers on duty. In Copacabana, 2.3 thousand men will be distributed over five observation posts. The Municipal Guard will help with 1.2 thousand men spread throughout the city. The Municipal Guard’s main task will be to prohibit street vendors from invading the thoroughfares, sidewalks and sand. The beach clean-up operations will start at 6 a.m. on January 1st. Comlurb estimate it will be able to reestablish the beaches standards of cleanliness by 10a.m.. During last year’s New Year’s festivities, 210 tons of trash were collected in Copacabana alone.
Hello from San Jose, California! I'll be coming with a friend of mine to Carnival in a couple of months (already have the plane ticket and apartment). We're staying in Copacabana, so I was wondering if someone could give me some information on Termas (i.e., programa or relax) in the area: what the protocol is, and any good recommendations. Muito obrigado! (hopefully I'll be able to learn some more Portugese in the coming weeks, but at least I can say "Dois cervejas, por favor!")
...All you need is that attitude (and tudo bem? from Palo Alto, California) and you'll succeed. Read through this forum and the "archives" and you'll learn everything you need. It's a lot of scrolling, but everythign you need is in there.
As for me, I've never been a big fan of the thermas. I party late and sleep late. Typically, I pick up a girl somewhere (usally a SW -- which is a dream-come-true is Brasil) around 5-7 p.m., nail here for a glorious 2 hrs., and not get to the REAL ACTION 'til around 11 p.m. With this scenario (the best, I think), thermas just slow you down.
Happy Hunting,
JWadd
Bring CASH.....
If you are coming to Rio for New Years you had better bring CASH. Getting cash from the ATM's is getting more and more difficult due to the large numbers of tourists. The city is expecting over 2 million people here for The New Years celebration. Many of the ATM's will be out of cash very quickly and you don't want to get stuck without any money.....
more ATM news.....
Also you can no longer access the CitiBank ATM from inside BlockBuster Video in Copacabana.. They blocked off the "IN STORE" entrance to the ATM's, you have to go around the corner to the night entrance on Ave. N.S. de Copacabana to get into the ATM's now.....
Saint, let me just say how utterly disappointed I am that you've been in Rio for several days now and you haven't written 2000 words yet of comparisons between Rio and BA!!! This conspicuous absence is simply un-Saint like so I'm trying to figure out your lack of much presence so far and I've come up with a few explanations: 1-little or poor internet access 2-you're so busy with the Brasileras you haven't had time to come up for air and write yet 3-you're so disappointed with Rio compared to BA you don't even think Rio deserves a mention 4-you miss BA so much and you couldn't get a flight back to BA so you're presently riding in a Land Rover over Amazon jungle en route back to your beloved BA! 5-some dominatrix-like Brasilera is having her way with you and has you handcuffed to her terma bed for 48 hours and won't let you go! Say it ain't so Saint and tell your boardmember friends what the good word is about Rio! DownBA
I vote for reason #2.
Moondog
Muito obrigado, Senor JWadd! :-) Sounds like a plan to me. And with my "circadian clock" set to Pacific Standard Time, I'll be at my peak when all the fun starts late at night. And yes, all the information I could possibly ever want/need on thermas' is on this forum. I understand the SW scene in Rio puts Bangkok's to shame. Definitely looking forward to being in Rio for Carnival.
What are the dates for carnival this year, and who is going?
The Carnival is from February 28th to March 5th.
l,m gonna be going to Rio pretty soon and l,ll like to know from season vet if it makes sense to go with my own condoms from the states or buy them when l get to Rio?l don,t wanna be husstle by customs becuse of that?What advice do you give a first timer going to RIO?
The condoms in Brazil sometimes break and I have had a few accidental barebacked experiences with the Brazilian condoms. I would suggest you bring your own. One or two packs would not be enough if you are Asian because Asian people have an advantage there or if you are into their culture or are suave. You might need about 30 to 40 of them.
BlameItOnMo
01-01-03, 05:27
Hmmmm ... bringing my own condoms eh? Might have to get some more luggage :). Anyway, just purchased the airfare to Rio. I'll be leaving on February 27th and returning March 8th-9th. Ticket cost $660 everything included from NY. Now, if only I could find a nice inexpensive apartment in Copacabana near all the action.... (Yes, I've contacted all of the places I've read about on WSG, but have yet to find a deal.... Anyone with any thoughts?
Jony Vegas
01-01-03, 06:36
Darkseid - TY...very informative!!!
Octatron - Your a moron for taking the time to answer with your reply!!! I have read every post on here back for 5 months...amazing how there are many inconsistencies and not always to the point of my question. Save your time next time from respodnging with such a lame ass answer and put your finger back up your ass.
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