Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[Sammon]

I always use condom but I'm still debating whether its safe to lick her down there or not. Any comments are welcome.NO DO NOT DO IT!

You will loose your lips, face, nose, eyes etc

[Soapy Smith]

I always use condom but I'm still debating whether its safe to lick her down there or not.

Any comments are welcome.It is true that it may loosen up your lips, face, nose, and eyes, but I have done a fair bit of it and have not yet lost, injured, or infected any of these facial parts. Interestingly, I have found that a number of Pinays do not want it done. They will actively push you away. Perhaps somebody has brainwashed them to believe their private parts are fundamentally dirty. Others will consciously wash the inner parts around the labia carefully in preparation, presumably in anticipation that you'll be going down on them. As with women anywhere else, let your eyes and nose do the first exploration. If it looks or smells bad, don't dive in.

I have found that Pinays who let you initiate activity DATY are quite GFE as compared with p4ps I have known in the states. In general, stateside p4ps are clock-watchers and want to get you off and out quickly; letting you go DATY is a waste of their time. I have also had stateside p4ps tell me they don't want to cum during the session because it makes them too relaxed so they don't work as hard to get and finish more clients. Many Pinay p4ps are less inclined to clock-watching, so they will actually relax, enjoy, and get off from your oral attention. In my experience it makes the rest of the session all the more GFE.

[Pete Benetar]

I always use condom but I'm still debating whether its safe to lick her down there or notTear off big sheet of Saran wrap and plaster it across perineum. Then go to town.

[Soapy Smith]

Tear off big sheet of Saran wrap and plaster it across perineum. Then go to town.Works fine if she shaves bare; slips all over if she keeps all or part of the Bush. LOL

[Member #4351]

I have found a way to get them to stop shaving. I tell them that if God wanted them to shave, he wouldn't have given them hair down there. It seems to be working well.

[Wjmpsr]

Tear off big sheet of Saran wrap and plaster it across perineum. Then go to town.Available from condom websites online.

[Red Kilt]

I have found a way to get them to stop shaving. I tell them that if God wanted them to shave, he wouldn't have given them hair down there. It seems to be working well.I couldn't find the "like" button but for the record, nice one David.

I too have found it works to invoke His intercession.

I used the line "If God didn't want us to have sex He wouldn't have made it so enjoyable" a few times and it seems to work too LOL

[Nice Guy 99]

Interestingly, I have found that a number of Pinays do not want it done. They will actively push you away. Perhaps somebody has brainwashed them to believe their private parts are fundamentally dirty.Don't forget that a majority of Pinays are quite submissive. I recall a 27 year old Pinay nanny who kept those legs tightly together as I worked my way south and made a half hearted attempt to push my head away. Once we reached her very wet pussy things changed to head pushing and moans. Later that evening she was riding my face.

The neophytes think they don't want it done until you get them going. Now I must qualify it that the nanny was not a pro and had only had 4 guys before. All from the Phils. Missionary and wham bam.

Don't cross the line into really forcing it but a little pressure can really pay off.

[Pete Benetar]

Works fine if she shaves bare; slips all over if she keeps all or part of the Bush. LOLHahaha. In which case the wrap better in place over mongerer face-sadly must break for ventilation. Maybe mouth condom better.

[Geneva Guy]

Don't forget that a majority of Pinays are quite submissive. I recall a 27 year old Pinay nanny who kept those legs tightly together as I worked my way south and made a half hearted attempt to push my head away. Once we reached her very wet pussy things changed to head pushing and moans. Later that evening she was riding my face.

The neophytes think they don't want it done until you get them going. Now I must qualify it that the nanny was not a pro and had only had 4 guys before. All from the Phils. Missionary and wham bam.
Interesting. My experience with my filipina GFs is this. Most tell me that the Filipino guys haven't eaten their pussy (I always tell them I don't care if someone has before). I have found that once you start, they love it. I have one GF that messages me regularly and says "honey I can't wait for you to eat me again".

GG

[D Cups]

Yes and you could suffocate if you don't do it right. Haha.


NO DO NOT DO IT!

You will loose your lips, face, nose, eyes etc

[Hutsori]

I always use condom but I'm still debating whether its safe to lick her down there or not.

Any comments are welcome.If you put in the time and do it well you will own the girl. This is especially true if she is a regular good girl who doesn't do p4p. I'd have some qualms about doing so on a MBC girl; am I the first guy she met tonight, or am I the third? Since the poster asks whether it's "safe" I should mention that some STIs can pass vag to mouth. You're only safe by staying home alone; risk mitigation is what you're looking for.

[Radical Guy]

I have found a way to get them to stop shaving. I tell them that if God wanted them to shave, he wouldn't have given them hair down there. It seems to be working well.As I said before, I prefer them unshaven. However, an obvious retort to your argument would be that God gave them hair under their arms and on their legs also. I have a fetish for women with unshaven legs and pits also, but good luck finding that in the Phils! . Maybe in China.

RG

[Member #4351]

As I said before, I prefer them unshaven. However, an obvious retort to your argument would be that God gave them hair under their arms and on their legs also. I have a fetish for women with unshaven legs and pits also, but good luck finding that in the Phils! . Maybe in China.

RGI don't want to push my luck.

[Hutsori]

I have a fetish for women with unshaven legs and pits also, but good luck finding that in the Phils!Unshaven legs are not uncommon, definitely not the norm, but can be found. Haven't come across the unshaven pits, which I too like.

[Pete Benetar]

After all you wouldn't want to come down with Gonorrhea / Chlamydia of the throat or worse end up like Michael Douglas.Exposure to the bacterial STDs a fair point but no more than barebacking (without barrier or chemoprophylaxis). OTOH, your reference to oropharyngeal CA not so much. Ref CDC STD section below, note ubiquity of HPV, anywhere, and utility of HPV vacccines, the most effective being Giardisil, reported to confer about 95% immunity. My 16 yo got his 3 shot series about 2 years ago and my youngest will start his later this year. Better living through chemistry.

Per CDC:

How common are HPV and health problems caused by HPV?

HPV (the virus) : Approximately 79 million Americans are currently infected with HPV. About 14 million people become newly infected each year. HPV is so common that nearly all sexually-active men and women will get at least one type of HPV at some point in their lives.

Genital warts: About 360, 000 persons in the USA get genital warts each year.

Cervical cancer: About 10, 300 women in the USA get cervical cancer each year.

Other cancers that can be caused by HPV, including some vaginal, vulvar, penile, anal, and oropharyngeal cancers: Each year in the USA, HPV is thought to cause an estimated.

6, 700 oropharyngeal cancers in men*

*Note: Other factors, notably tobacco and alcohol use, may also play a role with HPV to cause these cancers.

About 21, 000 of these cancers are potentially preventable by HPV vaccines.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv.htm

[Capistrano]

I would stay away from oral sex especially with ladies in the Philippines as safe sex practices are not their strong suit.

Filipinas are known for taking a full load of semen into their wombs without complaint only to hours later let an unsuspecting and unfortunate guy such as yourself lick up the last guy's spunk.

Some guys in the sport are beyond the help of biochemisty and a tongue lashing of the wet kind is all they can offer those nubile nymphs. After all you wouldn't want to come down with Gonorrhea / Chlamydia of the throat or worse end up like Michael Douglas.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/jun/02/michael-douglas-oral-sex-cancer

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57587350/oral-sex-and-throat-cancer-michael-douglas-hpv-report-spotlights-epidemic/I agree, just hit her with your weapon not with your mouth or tongue,

[Hutsori]

I was going to post this is Chat Rooms & Pen Pals, but then a few other messages followed, and this is a better location.

From M, a 24-year-old on FC:


Subject: Hi,

im a lesbian.. filipina,,can u give me a sperm,,, ??? me and my girlfriend wonna have a baby.. and i love your out look,, heres my cell 09xxxxxxxxx

My reply:


A sperm? Just one? ;) You want me to ship it to you or will you come to my condo with a tweezers and microscope to choose the one you like best? You're the 8th person who has requested I father her child this year. Though flattering I always decline. I feel a child of mine needs me to be actively involved in his / her life. I need to be more than the DNA donor, I need to be the genuine father. My job, which I love, has me traveling from country to country, and of course this is not conducive to family life. It's why I'm not in an exclusive relationship at this time.

I wish you and your partner all the best in your search and in your lives.M's reply:


and by the way. ill be jobless next week,, can u help,, me find any place to stay??? or any work,, i have experienced. as a nurse, as a secretary,, as a tutor. and as an advisor. pls. help me. 09xxxxxxxxx. i hope,, your Gods gift to me.Golly, talk about an upsell. A barely literate, unemployed, homeless, short, fat, bullish lesbian who's career has been bouncing from one job to another in different fields wants to be my baby momma? What an honour!


No baby, you're God's gift to me.

[Capistrano]

I was going to post this is Chat Rooms & Pen Pals, but then a few other messages followed, and this is a better location.

From M, a 24-year-old on FC:

My reply:

M's reply:

Golly, talk about an upsell. A barely literate, unemployed, homeless, short, fat, bullish lesbian who's career has been bouncing from one job to another in different fields wants to be my baby momma? What an honour!Yeah, you're truly a god's gift to her, she's asking for an extraordinary favor. If you don't want to give her a baby why not give her 2nd favor. It would be of great help and I'm sure you'll going to have more blessings by helping her.

[Wicked Roger]

Now I a great lover of pinays as some of you would know but a few things infuriate me more than anything else. One is the very common issue of going somewhere and then not buying 2 way / return ticket, expecting someone else to pay for them to come home!

Recently a little cutie told me she was in Manila at some family funeral etc that took all of 2 weeks and when I said when are you back in your home town as I would be there soon she replied she had to "borrow" cash to pay that ticket back. Seems her relatives who she said paid for the outbound did not buy a return (or "2 way") ticket.

This is happening a lot to which I tend to reply along the lines of "well they got you there so they can get you back as I won't contribute"

Anyone had this situation or is it just me?

[Cbea20]

She does not have a return ticket because that requires advance planning-something alien to poor filipinos. I agree with your reply. My response is,"If your family wants you back, they will find the money." In most cases the girl has family or other resources. She prefers to get travel funding from a foreigner, because it creates no debt or obligation. I will not pay for a girl to come if she has roots here, whether family or friends. On arrival, she will go off with them! And get around to me only a few days later. And then I will probably reject her, eating my loss. Let her borrow the money, as she suggests, and then earn money from you to repay the loan.

Other situations. I will not session with a girl or give her money to go away. My line is,"I don't help a girl to go away, unless I want her to go away." I don't expect committed service when she is planning to leave town the next day.

Bringing in a girl when she has no ties here can be very satisfactory, if I determine that she is worth it. The travel expense is added to her daily allowance and amortized over 3 days."Stay three nights, and you get a ticket back." (Otherwise, the daily allowance pays for it.) The ticket you send her (or air fare itinerary) should of course be not refundable to the passenger.


Now I a great lover of pinays as some of you would know but a few things infuriate me more than anything else. One is the very common issue of going somewhere and then not buying 2 way / return ticket, expecting someone else to pay for them to come home!

Recently a little cutie told me she was in Manila at some family funeral etc that took all of 2 weeks and when I said when are you back in your home town as I would be there soon she replied she had to "borrow" cash to pay that ticket back. Seems her relatives who she said paid for the outbound did not buy a return (or "2 way") ticket.

This is happening a lot to which I tend to reply along the lines of "well they got you there so they can get you back as I won't contribute"

Anyone had this situation or is it just me?

[Slippery]

Now I a great lover of pinays as some of you would know but a few things infuriate me more than anything else. One is the very common issue of going somewhere and then not buying 2 way / return ticket, expecting someone else to pay for them to come home!

Recently a little cutie told me she was in Manila at some family funeral etc that took all of 2 weeks and when I said when are you back in your home town as I would be there soon she replied she had to "borrow" cash to pay that ticket back. Seems her relatives who she said paid for the outbound did not buy a return (or "2 way") ticket.

This is happening a lot to which I tend to reply along the lines of "well they got you there so they can get you back as I won't contribute"

Anyone had this situation or is it just me?My gf in USA wanted to visit family in Davao so I paid up the money for her trip. Three weeks later she was whining for money for a return ticket. Stupid me thought that anybody going to Davao from USA would buy a round trip ticket. I told her to get the money for return ticket from her family. She's not my gf anymore.

[Sammon]

Now I a great lover of pinays as some of you would know but a few things infuriate me more than anything else. One is the very common issue of going somewhere and then not buying 2 way / return ticket, expecting someone else to pay for them to come home!

Recently a little cutie told me she was in Manila at some family funeral etc that took all of 2 weeks and when I said when are you back in your home town as I would be there soon she replied she had to "borrow" cash to pay that ticket back. Seems her relatives who she said paid for the outbound did not buy a return (or "2 way") ticket.

This is happening a lot to which I tend to reply along the lines of "well they got you there so they can get you back as I won't contribute"

Anyone had this situation or is it just me?In my experience she would have already bought round trip ticket. In effect she is asking for money because her family made her spend all her money and maybe they want more. When Phi girls ask for money they do not tell.

The truth what is really for. I am sure you had demands for tuition, exam etc only to find out later there is no tuition and no exam. Never believe any sick stories either.

Few of my contacts in Cebu send me message for money since the earthquake in Bohol and Cebu. Any chance they get they use that excuse. Once you help them there will be continuous demands for this and that.

[Cbea20]

True-you rarely hear the whole story. My ex-GF, college educated but always a beggar for money, goes to Manila to seek her fortune. After two years, no fortune but she's pregnant. She asks me for money to return to her family. I respond with the line,"If your family wants you back,..." Shortly afterward her best friend, who has visited her recently, advises me that the baby's father, bless his heart, is hanging with her. So it's really two tickets they are fundraising for. Thank goodness for best friends. She's been waiting for the coast to clear to express her longing (miss na kita) for me.


In my experience she would have already bought round trip ticket. In effect she is asking for money because her family made her spend all her money and maybe they want more. When Phi girls ask for money they do not tell.

The truth what is really for. I am sure you had demands for tuition, exam etc only to find out later there is no tuition and no exam. Never believe any sick stories either.

Few of my contacts in Cebu send me message for money since the earthquake in Bohol and Cebu. Any chance they get they use that excuse. Once you help them there will be continuous demands for this and that.

[Wicked Roger]

Thank goodness for best friends. She's been waiting for the coast to clear to express her longing (miss na kita) for me.Yes I agree, the BFF (best friend forever) is always your BFF also especially when she sees an opporuntity to take over from her best friend LOL and shag your brains out and prove she is better. I have one now doing the same trick on her BFF. Got to love the way pinays thinks LOL.

[Cbea20]

My point was, not all filipinas lie outright. Beggar that she is, I never caught that girl inventing a fictional need. When she was in school, she explained that she needed to commute an hour each way from home to school. So I sponsored a boarding house room near the college, plus something extra for meals away from home. In this case, she did not invent her need for an air ticket home. She didn't mention the second traveler, her partner. So it was not lying, but failing to tell the whole story.

[Exoticspirit]

I saw a lot of normal Filipino girls working at non-sex related jobs such as hotel front staff, cleaning staff, restaurant staff, etc. I'm pretty sure they know what most of us male tourists are in Philippines for, ie, sex tourist mongers.

I've always wondered what these normal girls thought of us. Have any of you actually asked them this?

Do they think we are all pigs because we take their sex-worker sisters (whether bar girls or FLs)?

If they do, I would think that this would drastically cut our chances of having any prospects of having a long term relationship with a normal Filipino girl if they already knew that we were in the country as mongers.

[Hutsori]

I saw a lot of normal Filipino girls working at non-sex related jobs such as hotel front staff, cleaning staff, restaurant staff, etc. I'm pretty sure they know what most of us male tourists are in Philippines for, ie, sex tourist mongers.

I've always wondered what these normal girls thought of us. Have any of you actually asked them this?

Do they think we are all pigs because we take their sex-worker sisters (whether bar girls or FLs)?

If they do, I would think that this would drastically cut our chances of having any prospects of having a long term relationship with a normal Filipino girl if they already knew that we were in the country as mongers.
Filipinos in general don't think to highly of foreigners and the thought is well deserved. Only the most desperate and downtrodden of Filipinos will associate with foreigners (especially your average foreigner) on anything more than a superficial level.Good question. To an extent I agree with p50 except for his sweeping generalisation that "Only the most desperate and downtrodden of Filipinos will associate with foreigners.". Perhaps it's more accurate that many Filipinos believe "Only the most desperate and downtrodden of Filipinos will associate with foreigners.". Having dated many middle and upper-middle class girls I found there are the urban-cosmopolitan and the provincial-conservative types. My girls whose parents and siblings are still in the provinces state their family and neighbours would be scandalized. It's very much a "Heavens, what will the neighbours think about us?"

There are factors that influence these views, age for instance. If the guy is very much older than a young woman of 18-22 many people will conclude she's from lowest rungs. Conversely, a woman past her sell-by date of late 20s and early 30s (and older, of course) may not be viewed as harshly. For an unmarried or separated woman with kids a foreigner is seen as the better, and perhaps the only, option.

Of course many Filipinos also believe that foreigners, particularly non-Asian ones, exclusively go for the "exotic beauty", codeword for "ugly girl", so a girl has to contend with that stigma no matter which class she is.

Now, how does this play out in metro Manila? Will she not want to be seen in public with a foreigner? No. Will she walk 3 metres behind the foreigner everywhere they go? No. Will she hold his hand or walk arm-in-arm with him? Yes. This suggests to me that she doesn't face blatant hostility or insults, which I have experienced firsthand in other Asian countries. The girls I know remarked that they get more stares by strangers in the street when I accompany them.

If you pay attention to Filipino celebrity (it's difficult to avoid if you're around Pinays a lot) you'll soon learn many of the most famous are halfsies. And former US Ambassador Thomas very publicly dates an older Pinay, a well-respected executive who accompanied him often to both public and private functions.

Lastly, I think any regular Pinay would have problems establishing a long-term relationship with a known-to-be-active and unrepentant p4p monger. This holds true for regular women across the word. What I find delightful here, more so than I've experienced elsewhere, is many will regularly see me knowing that I'm meeting other regular girls too. Some girls just want a bit of excitement and nice fuck in their lives.

[Exoticspirit]

Of course many Filipinos also believe that foreigners, particularly non-Asian ones, exclusively go for the "exotic beauty", codeword for "ugly girl", so a girl has to contend with that stigma no matter which class she is.This is interesting. Wonder how I as an Asian North American (with the NA accent to go) would fare as a foreigner among the normal Filipinas? I know that among the sex-workers, I was a darn curiosity for them.

[Hutsori]

This is interesting. Wonder how I as an Asian North American (with the NA accent to go) would fare as a foreigner among the normal Filipinas? I know that among the sex-workers, I was a darn curiosity for them.A good buddy of mine is Korean-American and years ago in both Thailand and the Philippines bar girls refused to believe he was 'Mercan, so he used "Korean-American", which the girls all understood to be "Korean". With so many Japanese, Korean, and now Chinese and Indians coming here I reckon the hyphenated Asian Americans face a larger hurdle. Amongst the educated Filipinos an Asian American is known because so many have relatives in North America and / or have traveled there.

[Exoticspirit]

A good buddy of mine is Korean-American and years ago in both Thailand and the Philippines bar girls refused to believe he was 'Mercan, so he used "Korean-American", which the girls all understood to be "Korean". With so many Japanese, Korean, and now Chinese and Indians coming here I reckon the hyphenated Asian Americans face a larger hurdle. Amongst the educated Filipinos an Asian American is known because so many have relatives in North America and / or have traveled there.When I was at MBC in Manila and at the Big Apple in Sabang Beach, word got around among the girls (and yes, they do seem to spread news fast) that I was not a 'normal' Asian. So compared to other Asians who were already there on site, I was getting a lot more 'traffic'. The girls were darn curious to know why I spoke perfect English unlike my true Asian counterparts. Now of course this was the experience with the working girls which in itself was pretty cool. After all, attention from any women, as long as not pushy, is always cool. But again, I never had this experience or opportunity for that matter with any normal Filipinas while I was in the country except for maybe one on one at a time with say a waitress or the girl who booked my Swagman transit tickets.

[Pip Jaeger]

My point was, not all filipinas lie outright.But many of them do! Case in point: last night I arranged a 3some with one I've seen already two times who was bi-curious and a bi-girl I've known for quite a while; both agreed to stay all night. After round one miss bi-curious says she has a headache and wants to leave; I tell her no problem and off she goes. An hour later I get a text telling me that she didn't really have a headache, but that her brother texted her to tell her that her mom and him had gotten into a motor bike accident and she needed to be with them (why didn't she just tell me that in the beginning?). But wait, it gets better, I simply replied "No problem, I hope they get better soon". She replies her mom's ok, but brother is unconscious and needs an operation (this is the same brother that supposedly texted her earlier and BTW, she told me during our initial meeting that her mom was dead; you can see what's coming). I didn't reply and a few hours later I get the expected message,"Baby, oparashun cost 6, 000p, need yur help and now my mums not 2 good 2" (of course not, she's been dead for 10 years, LOL).

I didn't reply, although I was tempted to, but I don't need the drama. I thought that would be the end of it, but a few hours later I get another text: "Baby, my pussy hurt, you sure that other girls pussy clean?". No reply from me and I've since blocked her number as I'm sure we can all guess what her next text message would say. I think some of these girls thrive on drama and they think we're naïve or dumb enough to fall for their bull crap; and send them money to boot!

[Cunning Stunt]

But many of them do!Do you know the infallible way to tell whether a Filipino/a is lying? Easy. Their lips move.

It seems to be a cultural thing. A Pinoy/Pinay will weave a complicated and unsustainable lie, when the truth would be so much simpler. I used to think it was some sort of face saving, defensive mechanism but I now suspect it to be basic ingrained fault in the national psyche. They mostly all seem to do it almost as second nature.

[GoodEnough]

Do you know the infallible way to tell whether a Filipino / a is lying? Easy. Their lips move.

It seems to be a cultural thing. A Pinoy / Pinay will weave a complicated and unsustainable lie, when the truth would be so much simpler. I used to think it was some sort of face saving, defensive mechanism but I now suspect it to be basic ingrained fault in the national psyche. They mostly all seem to do it almost as second nature.I agree, it's more than saving face. There's a national reluctance to confront anything unpleasant directly, and this characteristic manifests itself in daily life multiple times per day. Our general tendency in the West is to confront things head-on whereas theirs is to avoid, dissemble, ignore and try to create alternate realities. I'm not sure I've ever seen this behavior, at least to this extent, in any other culture in which I've lived or worked. Maybe it's a way to circumvent the general hardships with which most Filipinos must cope during their everyday lives. Life here is, in general, a soap opera.

GE

[YellowStar45]

Hello,

Yes, same stories here so funny everyday new storys about money from them LOL.

[Red Kilt]

. SNIP.

I didn't reply, although I was tempted to, but I don't need the drama. <SNIP . I think some of these girls thrive on drama and they think we're naïve or dumb enough to fall for their bull crap; and send them money to boot!Yes PJ.

The key word in all of this is "drama"

Everything becomes over-dramatized.

When girls ask me why I don't want serious relationship with them I always reply "because too much drama with filipinas".

The response? Hehehehehe

[Tally Wacker]

Since we are generalizing here then yes its part of the culture but I think most of the women the guys on this site are dealing with are poor, uneducated and desperate and at some point understand they are being used so why not try sucking a few more bucks out of the relationship before it ends. The responses here show that their lying often backfires and the normal response is to cover with another lie. I think at this point some Filipinas attemp to save face that's why they go to so much effort to cover up.

With that said I have a somewhat educated girlfriend who I caught in a lie early in our relationship. By my suggestion my gf moved back home to the family house to be with her daughter after I started to support her. Her mom and adult sisters became very jealous and put a lot of pressure on her because she had me supporting her. I noticed the simple expenses start to increase and the requests. I understand the culture and was aware plus my gf was telling me that mom was asking for this and that.

One of my gf sisters had her two kids from two different guys staying in the same house with the mom (grandma) caring for them. The family started to put the pressure on my gf to suck more money. The sisters baby got sick and hospitalized for a week and expenses increased. My gf would give me details of things but I told her I will only support her and her daughter early on.

Then one day my gf messaged that she wanted to fly back to Manaila to gather her things she left behind and bring them back. It sounded fishy to me from the start. I asked what the importance of the things were and was it worth the effort and cost. She was insistent that she needed to fly to Manila to get her stuff which increased my suspicion. She gave me an amount to send her for the ticket which seamed high so I looked online and found a cheaper ticket. She said no that she wanted to gain her miles for flying the certain airline. WTF? I told her that was ridiculous and sent her the pesos anyways to see what would happen.

The day came for her to fly and she started to give me minute by minute details. I already researched her flight. She messages I am waiting now and now I'm boarding and then now I have landed and the whole thing. Just was weird and somehow did not match up to me. I can't remember the details but I did some online computer forensics and called her on the lie.

She caved in and explained that her family took the laptop I sent her and pawned it to pay the bills and she needed the money to get it out of pawn. Was it another lie? I don't know but I don't think so. It almost ended our relationship and she ended up moving away from the family due to the pressure for money.

Her relationship with the family is not great but our relationship has got stronger. She has also became open to trying a 3 some with me in the middle under her own conditions. Not a bad arrangement. Sorry for the long story but its just my example.


Do you know the infallible way to tell whether a Filipino / a is lying? Easy. Their lips move.

It seems to be a cultural thing. A Pinoy / Pinay will weave a complicated and unsustainable lie, when the truth would be so much simpler. I used to think it was some sort of face saving, defensive mechanism but I now suspect it to be basic ingrained fault in the national psyche. They mostly all seem to do it almost as second nature.

[Wicked Roger]

Life here is, in general, a soap opera.

GEYou said it GE, they live their lives watching hopelessly stupid and totally unreal soap operas where even the bad guys are nice and then try and believe real life is like that. Not sure how many times I have said to pinays it is better to fess up with the truth rather than spin stories (which generally they are not good at)

Look at who they vote for as an example!

TW. This is a common story and one where the gf does not realise (until it is too late that nrmally) she places the whole relationship at risk due to greedy family and even the extended family (cousins etc). We all have heard or experienced this.

Am now counselling a cutie on this where her elder sisters keep asking for cash even though she is at university sponsored by a westerner. They think as she gets the fees paid he can pay for the house repairs (she does not live with them as university in a different city) , the babies food and clothes plus cash for the fiesta. She is intelligent enough to realise if she does keep asking shit will fly and the school will go south. But the pressure and nastiness from the family are unbelievable (well maybe not to some of the loger time observers). She has virtually ct them out of her life which for many pinays is unthinkanle bt she realised this was the only option left after they could not understand the word No.

And a drama is made of everything, mother has cough so she is dying needs to go to hospital take X rays and stay there a few days when a simple Panadol would help at times, plus rest etc.

[Tally Wacker]

TW. This is a common story and one where the gf does not realise (until it is too late that nrmally) she places the whole relationship at risk due to greedy family and even the extended family (cousins etc). We all have heard or experienced this.

Am now counselling a cutie on this where her elder sisters keep asking for cash even though she is at university sponsored by a westerner. They think as she gets the fees paid he can pay for the house repairs (she does not live with them as university in a different city) , the babies food and clothes plus cash for the fiesta. She is intelligent enough to realise if she does keep asking shit will fly and the school will go south. But the pressure and nastiness from the family are unbelievable (well maybe not to some of the loger time observers). She has virtually ct them out of her life which for many pinays is unthinkanle bt she realised this was the only option left after they could not understand the word No.Yes pressure from the family can get nasty. My gf also had to detach herself from the family due to money sucking siblings. My gf's sister that has two kids from two different pinoys who have never supported them is now pregnant with a third child from a third pinoy who is married and a local politician. A fucked up situation.

[Wicked Roger]

Yes pressure from the family can get nasty. My gf also had to detach herself from the family due to money sucking siblings. My gf's sister that has two kids from two different pinoys who have never supported them is now pregnant with a third child from a third pinoy who is married and a local politician. A fucked up situation.Is all fucked up as the Church seems to think that more kids is God's will despite there being no jobs or cash to support most of the little ones.

Great programme on BBC on the Philippines showed the fucked up nature with a lady in Todno on her 8th kid (Tondo is a very poor area of Manila) and no prospect for husband to find work (but is God's will!) and a middle class family who now have 2 kids, gated cmmunity home using Makati Medical where a delivery of a sprog is around PHP 150,000! And some politican saying lie is better in the country. The BBC lady was very kind in her questions.

Yet another girl who I know asked for cash for her hair rebonding as she needed to look good at school. Values are odd especially if there is a moneyko around.

[Ganesha]

I've never been to Asia. But I am reading this thread with special interest, as I wish to travel the Philippines next year.

When reading all this posts about 'adjusting reality', I recall my personal relationship with an highly educated, European Lady with an 'Borderline' diagnosis. Maybe we have a Forum member with professional skills in Psychiatry / Psychotherapy who could contribute to this thread?

To make it short. An excerpt from Wikipedia: "Borderline personality disorder whose essential features are a pattern of marked impulsivity and instability of affects, interpersonal relationships and self image". This is a humble description of the horrors living from day to day with such a person."It's an enduring and inflexible pattern of maladaptive inner experience and pathological behavior".

Even more. The foundations of an young (mostly female) adults showing this behavior are in early childhood experiences with unstable mother / father relationships and quite often emotional and / or sexual abuse by near relatives are part of it.

So why a whole society might be called a 'Borderline Syndrome Society'. The Asian 'face-saver' attitude cannot fully explain those reports listed here. Is it part of personality depravation through century old colonial history, where only the most submissive were able to survive?

Any contribution with more insight is welcome!

[Soapy Smith]

So why a whole society might be called a 'Borderline Syndrome Society'. The Asian 'face-saver' attitude cannot fully explain those reports listed here. Is it part of personality depravation through century old colonial history, where only the most submissive were able to survive?

Any contribution with more insight is welcome!I am neither a psychiatrist nor psychologist but have had some exposure to Borderline Syndrome. It is one of a number of behavioral personality disorders, like anti-social personality, and all imply that the individual's personality is dominated by this behavioral disorder. It's not just a set of behaviors that occasionally rear their head. In most cases this disorder is for life.

Tampo (petulant sulking) and other dramatic episodes with Filipinos are sort of a socialized behavior, something that is learned by example-and can therefore be unlearned. Also, unlike borderline personality, it does not dominate the individual's behavior. Thus Filipinas who exhibit this behavior can also be as sweet as sugar at other times. I have called my squeeze on her tampo behavior on occasion, and she will eventually admit that she knows she's doing it-and that it is for attention. A person with borderline personality is unlikely to admit that her or his behavior is screwed up and may not even believe it is screwed up.

[GoodEnough]

I doubt that the entire country suffers from a shared psychological pathology. Rather I believe, as Skip Kost suggests, it's a culturally transmitted pattern of behaviors, part of it doubtless rooted in the feudal-like hierarchy that characterizes the place, and part doubtless attributable to social behaviors that evolved during colonial times. The whole syndrome, while it might appear maladaptive to us, obviously has some efficacy for those whose actions are governed by it, since behavior is largely mirrored when seen as effective. I've been fortunate, I think that my closest relationships with Filipinos are with clear anomalies who don't conform to the more typical pattern.

One of the reasons, I think, that the endless chasing of SWTs has become unappealing to me is that I have a much lower tolerance for the whole set of behaviors than I used to; that, plus the insipid, vapid conversations that typically precede and then ensue from these encounters just isn't worth the short-lived pleasure of the sex. For me, the price is simply not worth it any longer.

GE

[D Cups]

[QUOTE=Skip Kost; 1491163]Tampo (petulant sulking) and other dramatic episodes with Filipinos are sort of a socialized behavior, something that is learned by example-and can therefore be unlearned.

Maybe tampo is related to tampon.

[Red Kilt]

Maybe tampo is related to tampon.Wild guess DC.

Filipinas don't know much about tampons. Their use is extremely rare here and they are very difficult to find for purchase in shops in the Philippines.

Various reasons given for their unpopularity.

I always advise my family and other (female) visitors to bring their own supply when they come here.

[Pip Jaeger]

Filipinas don't know much about tampons. Their use is extremely rare here and they are very difficult to find for purchase in shops in the Philippines.

Various reasons given for their unpopularity.Most likely due to the lack of education about their own bodies and the stigma the church puts on about touching their pussies.

Something else hard to find here is a douche. Plenty of feminine wash lotions, potions and wipes, but no applicators. The bi-girl I'm seeing takes good care of herself and likes to clean her pussy during the last days of her period. She takes a cotton ball, pulls it apart a bit, dampens it with water, wraps it around a finger, soaks it with a commercially available ph balanced feminine hygiene wash solution, swabs herself and then rinses her pussy out with water by using the shower wand.

I told her about how women in other parts of the world use a plastic ball / bottle applicator to rinse themselves out and I also cautioned her about the over use of these products as it can interfere with / change the vagina's normal bacteria levels and actually increase the chance of an infection. I've searched the supermarkets and pharmacies, but to no avail. Although it was interesting trying to explain what I wanted to some of the clerks; some of whom blushed so much I thought a few blood vessels in their cheeks were going to burst, LOL; crazy poreigners!

And before someone suggests it, no, a girl shouldn't use an enema ball / bag or simple plastic squirt bottle as the holes on a douche are on the lateral side of the nozzle. Using a simple squirt bottle or enema applicator can force bacteria and / or foreign matter into the fallopian tubes and potentially cause harm as well as increase the chance of a bacterial infection.

BTW, if anyone here can suggest where in Cebu City I might be able to find a douche (and please spare me the humor of suggesting places where other board members may be hanging out) please let me know. Otherwise I guess I'll have to pick up few in the states and bring them with me when I return.

[Wicked Roger]

Most likely due to the lack of education about their own bodies and the stigma the church puts on about touching their pussies.

BTW, if anyone here can suggest where in Cebu City I might be able to find a douche (and please spare me the humor of suggesting places where other board members may be hanging out) please let me know. Otherwise I guess I'll have to pick up few in the states and bring them with me when I return.I have asked in most of the pharmas in Cebu and no luck, many of the assistants have no clue what I am talking about. The girls I know all use wash etc but the way your girl does it is worth passing the tip on.

Issue with touchng themselves is clearly the bloody nuns who claim it is bad (quite a few have told me that in class they were told it was an evil act etc). That is unless uncle WR teaches them differently and lets them use a vibe as well. Amazing how fast they forget their previous education LOL.

[KongKing]

This forum sometimes reports on the difficulty faced by Filipinas (18-40) in exiting the country through Philippines border control. I will describe my recent experience.

I took a 24 year old Filipina, single, who I had known, on and off, for two years on a week's holiday to Singapore; her first trip out of the country and her first airplane flights. We checked into Cebu-Mactan airport more than two and a half hours before our international departure time, just in case there may be a hold-up. First, Cebu Pacific would not do the check-in until my Filipina paid the 1600p travel tax. After seat allocation we then paid the 550p per person airport departure tax then we 'fall in line' at the Immigration departure kiosks. My passport was cleared without problem. My partner was not cleared and was told to go sit in a special waiting area where there were three officers (Immigration and PNP). A Filipina ahead of her was being interviewed and she finally left in tears, with her trip rejected. I don't know whether that meant a loss of travel costs (air flight, travel and departure taxes) or whether she would be able to get a refund. But she could not travel (or maybe pay a bribe fee just before flight deadline?)

My Filipina was asked to fill in a 'Border Control Questionnaire' and was then interviewed for 10-15 minutes about why she was going, how long she had known me, my character etc. Watching this from the side I was tempted to ask why immigration was doing this. Surely it was primarily the role of Immigration in the destination country (eg Singapore, Thailand etc) to control and protect their own borders, and not the departing country? I bit my tongue on this. After a while one of the officials came to me and asked a few questions. When he discovered that I had bought the return tickets more than 10 months ago that rapidly cleared the process. That established I had a long term (part-time) relationship with this Filipina.

The Bureau of Immigration (BI) officer explained that their role was to protect Philippines citizens, and in particular unmarried Filipina from the prospects of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). I was asked to sign a declaration that I would return with the Filipina by a particular day, and if I didn't this could / would impact on any future entries or residency in the Philippines. My Filipina then received a senior officer's clearance endorsement, then went back to the officer on duty to get her passport exit stamped. Then we were just in time to be the last to board the plane.

I have since done a little more research on the topic. The Philippines had achieved a 'Tier 2' listing on a USA 'Trafficking Index' and with additional measures being introduced in 2012 and 2013 the Philippines hopes to attain soon a 'Tier 1'. The new introduced measures authorize the BI to conduct a secondary inspection after the primary departure inspection "for the purpose of protecting vulnerable victims of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and illegal recruitment and other related offences, through the assessment of the following circumstances": age; educational attainment; and financial capability to travel. Travellers who will automatically be subjected to secondary inspection include if they fall under the following categories 'travelers without financial capacity to travel escorted / accompanied by a foreigner not related'.

It's obviously not easy to take your Miss Filipina out of the country for a fun trip. Anyone been caught by this 'secondary inspection'?

KongKing

[Wicked Roger]

It's obviously not easy to take your Miss Filipina out of the country for a fun trip. Anyone been caught by this 'secondary inspection'?

KongKingAlways happen KK, the excuse is crazy given the politicians et al are allowed to leave despite being charged or suspected of huge theft. The officials are jealous and some true a*holes. I have even seen a married couple (he was a westerner) being asked to sign an affidavit tc. He was really pissed off and told them as he has 2 kids with him as well.

I get an affidavit from the parents as well, this helps if it gets very messy and awkward. Thats shuts them up completely as they can't day a thing. If more than 1 cutie my lawyer friend recommends this always as parents say is Ok so how can immigration say no.

And the crap about bring them home etc., is what it is: Crap, as there is no way to say when and where we return. I went out many times with my long term suqeeze, she was always asked the same questions despite it clearly showing we travelled together a lot. The none day I told the immigration to look at his screen not the passports stamps to try and match them with mine. He did and voila, he was just trying to elongate an unecessary process.

Another who has a job in Cebu booked a package to Singapore and still refused, no excuses and she thought it was pure jealousy that she could afford. A while back with yet another cutie I used the affadavit (this was after they called her university to check she was a student there, checked the hotel and tickets 4 times). You need patience with these a*holes as anything other they will have you and make life worse.

Even the guys warning me were hitting on the girls telling them "only white guys do cybersex and trafficking" as if that was ever true!

And they do lose the tickets and the money. No refund.

Another theory I read in another blog was stopping pinays visiting more affluent ASEAN countries was good so they can't come back and tell everyone how good it is there despite corruption in those countries. This could refule unrest and the government can't have people questioning how they spend the taxpayers money. So yous see there is sense somewhere KK.

Will email and call you soon my friend

[BrainDrain]

It's obviously not easy to take your Miss Filipina out of the country for a fun trip. Anyone been caught by this 'secondary inspection'?

KongKingI went through this process at Clark a year ago. I supported them guys and told them they were actually doing a good job. Thanks to this forum and probably posts and experiences by WR I was prepared and arrived early.

I think the area of questioning around where did you meet, length of relationship is important to them. We were both asked this question separately and obviously our answers collaborated.

From the stories I have read, if the lady is accompanied by us, then that seems to work more reliably. In my girls case it was her first overseas trip and first use of her passport.

Interestingly I'm considering taking a girl on a short overnight trip to Singapore in December. Your story makes me think that maybe it isn't work it.

AND, I bet in the event that the girls are refused exit in any of the scenarios, the various exit fees and departure taxes were not refunded.

I was really surprised to have to pay P2, 000 just because the girl was a Filipino. Usually taxes are higher for the Westerners.

Enjoy

[Wicked Roger]

Interestingly I'm considering taking a girl on a short overnight trip to Singapore in December. Your story makes me think that maybe it isn't work it.

AND, I bet in the event that the girls are refused exit in any of the scenarios, the various exit fees and departure taxes were not refunded.

EnjoyBD,

I would take the girl eslewhere for a first time like HK, BKK or KL as you then have a stamp of exit / return. Singapore always a tough one but the affidavit will work.

And yes, no refund.

[Geneva Guy]

All,

Let me add my past and recent experiences. I bring girls to Singapore only. One girl who I was bringing over 2 years ago, was turned away (and yes you lose all the ticket and travel fees). She was told she needs an "authenticated" certificate that I was to get from the PHIL embassy in SG, send her the original, etc. Well, you know how efficient the PHIL embassies are. Turns out her uncle knew "some people" and they put my signature on a certificate there in Manila and she passed a few days later.

Fast forward to Oct 2013. She has visited me in SG 6 times over 2 years, has multiple cards, letters, etc from me. Has a pretty good job, some kids, owns a house in Manilla, etc. Has a passport full of SG travel stamps. I booked her ticket (SG Airlines, not a budget flight) , she goes to the airport and gets an hour worth of questions from Immigration. Now, she has all of the stuff I ever sent her, a new letter from me as an invite, copies of my passport, my SG ID, pics of us together, etc. They ask her stupid questions like "when is his birthday" etc. Now, this girl is by no means shy, looks them right in the eye, keeps her composure and replies calmly. Only after they let her pass, does she explode and writes me an email before boarding about what jerks they are.

2 weeks later, she goes home and my Davao sweetie comes. She gets the huge hassle in Davao (has come over 4 other times already and has 2 passports with SG stamps). And the Immigration guy tells her that she should have me get that "official" certificate to be sure she can pass. She wasn't too happy, they kept one of her ID's to be sure she would return to Davao as scheduled.

Again. Each of them had copies of my passport, SG ID, letter from me, full ticket info, pics of us, passports with many prior trips to and back, etc. Etc etc.

Now, both these girls had documented return tickets in their hand and both had returned as planned multiple times in the past.

WTF. Can we just take a big 2 x 4 and hit these immigration people across the head. Oh right, they don't let ANY girls from PHIL get sent to SG for sex work. I never see any Filipinas here doing that. What a screwed up system.

So. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to all of this. Even with this "official authenicated" certificate, they may not pass I'm told (by the PHIL embassy here, their own words, its not up to them"

GG

[FreebieFan]

My.

I have since done a little more research on the topic. The Philippines had achieved a 'Tier 2' listing on a USA 'Trafficking Index' and with additional measures being introduced in 2012 and 2013 the Philippines hopes to attain soon a 'Tier 1'. The new introduced measures authorize the BI to conduct a secondary inspection after the primary departure inspection "for the purpose of protecting vulnerable victims of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and illegal recruitment and other related offences, through the assessment of the following circumstances": age; educational attainment; and financial capability to travel. .

It's obviously not easy to take your Miss Filipina out of the country for a fun trip. Anyone been caught by this 'secondary inspection'?

KongKingI've tried twice and both times couldn't get the girl out the country. I won't waste any more money on this. Lots of Thais and Indonesians happy to travel around Asia. Took a 20 year Jakarta cutie on my last 3 Singapore / Malaysia trips.

Cheaper flying her in than doing the Orchard Towers routine.

On her most recent return she was asked why she was always travelling as a student and did she deal drugs.

[KongKing]

Thanks for the interesting feedback guys. Looks like its very arbitrary and discretionary the way the BI treat Filipinas exiting the country. My Filipina may have had a lucky day.

KongKing

[Wicked Roger]

All,

She was told she needs an "authenticated" certificate that I was to get from the PHIL embassy in SG, send her the original, etc. Well, you know how efficient the PHIL embassies are. Even with this "official authenicated" certificate, they may not pass I'm told (by the PHIL embassy here, their own words, its not up to them"

GGThis certificate is all BS as a friend asked the Embassy in SG what he needed and it had no idea!

He then did his bit as you did and she was stopped. Is why I use affadavits which can be costly if you look at the ticket price (ie budget airline price) but worth it and in my case the immigration could not do sweet FA

Immigration will not stop Estrada et al from leaving despite court cases pending but will stop filipinas from seeing their loved ones in case they figure out how great it is in Asia and how corrupt it is in thier own country (by now I think they have that figured out with the prk barrel scam issues LOL)

[Econo Tech]

So. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to all of this. Even with this "official authenicated" certificate, they may not pass I'm told (by the PHIL embassy here, their own words, its not up to them"

GGThe Authenticated letter of invite, Aka LOI, has no value in SG, but is a way to slip easily in PH. Though in PH, as per the documented process, people have to go through "PRIMARY SCREENING" and "SECONDARY SCREENING"

Then again, I do wonder how the cute cuties end up in OT. And an occasional barely 18 also is seen there. Did they swim across the sea?


This certificate is all BS as a friend asked the Embassy in SG what he needed and it had no idea!The PH embassy in SG has a policy of not issuing it for non-Filipino / relatives of the invited. And tend to give the deer-in-headlight look.

If your friend had asked in Taglish, he may have got a better reply I guess.

Well, if you been to the PH Embassy in SG, it is like a large place to employ a lot of redundant people, so the Govt can employ more people. Sorts of.

Take the visa counter. Barely less than two dozen countries need visa to PH, and there are 4 people manning the counter.

So a person, say, from a country that needs visa, married to a Filipina, goes there, the counter girls go "bank statement, employment letter. Marriage certificate."

Sometimes feel like asking the girl FFS, doesn't being married to a Filipina count? Or heck, do they think those going to PH are going to work illegally and make more money than in SG?

Oh, wait, on the other hand, part of Philippines are Korean Town, Japan Town and the like.

[Econo Tech]

Always happen KK, the excuse is crazy given the politicians et al are allowed to leave despite being charged or suspected of huge theft. .PS: when the accused, starting from Binay, and almost all those in the senate / congress who have cases pending, are allowed to continue their 'service to the nation'. Why would the PH BI stop them from leaving? LOL. How about Estrada for that matter. And The Army guys who tried a coup and now are in the Senate?

Pinoy logic. You can be innocent until you die, though you can have dozen cases. This applies only if you are a Filipino.

[Red Kilt]

I arranged to meet a friend 2 weeks ago at 10. 30 am near Mall of Asia for 2 hours of fun before my afternoon meeting that I had to attend.

Despite me having advised her to be on time she arrived at 11. 25 am (I waited for her because she is hot and also I had a book and I was waiting in an air-conditioned venue). She had given me an update about where she was and had apologised for being late blah blah so it was OK.

Fast forward to Tuesday of this week. Same woman. I told her that because she was 1 hour late last time when we were supposed to meet at 10. 30 that we would meet at 11. 30 am this time so she had no excuse to be late.

Do I need to go on?

At 11. 50 am I texted her that I couldn't wait any longer. She pleaded with me "I am close now. Please wait. I don't have any money". I waited.
She arrived at 12. 05 and I gave her 100 php fare (it was enough to cover return fare) and turned her around and said "get back on the bus; we don't have time now as I need to be at a 2 pm meeting". I also told her not to call me any more. I do not have the time to waste on such irresponsibility.

She left somewhat confused because I didn't yell and curse her out etc. I am sure she still doesn't know what all the fuss was about. The total disregard for other people's time is astonishing.

[Mr Enternational]

I arranged to meet a friend 2 weeks ago at 10. 30 am near Mall of Asia for 2 hours of fun before my afternoon meeting that I had to attend.

Despite me having advised her to be on time she arrived at 11. 25 am.

Fast forward to Tuesday of this week. Same woman. I told her that because she was 1 hour late last time when we were supposed to meet at 10. 30 that we would meet at 11. 30 am this time so she had no excuse to be late.

Do I need to go on?

At 11. 50 am I texted her that I couldn't wait any longer.I'm confused as well. If you already know her track record of being late why didn't you tell her an earlier time than you really wanted her to be there?

[Sammon]

I arranged to meet a friend 2 weeks ago at 10. 30 am near Mall of Asia for 2 hours of fun before my afternoon meeting that I had to attend.

Despite me having advised her to be on time she arrived at 11. 25 am (I waited for her because she is hot and also I had a book and I was waiting in an air-conditioned venue). She had given me an update about where she was and had apologised for being late blah blah so it was OK.

Fast forward to Tuesday of this week. Same woman. I told her that because she was 1 hour late last time when we were supposed to meet at 10. 30 that we would meet at 11. 30 am this time so she had no excuse to be late.

Do I need to go on?

At 11. 50 am I texted her that I couldn't wait any longer. She pleaded with me "I am close now. Please wait. I don't have any money". I waited.

She arrived at 12. 05 and I gave her 100 php fare (it was enough to cover return fare) and turned her around and said "get back on the bus; we don't have time now as I need to be at a 2 pm meeting". I also told her not to call me any more. I do not have the time to waste on such irresponsibility.

She left somewhat confused because I didn't yell and curse her out etc. I am sure she still doesn't know what all the fuss was about. The total disregard for other people's time is astonishing.When I meet a girl in the mall or outside I go late knowing very well that if she is there already she would text one after the other. If I am waiting in the room I go about my activities. Most of the girls take jeepney and they have no control or knowledge how long it will take. However it is cruel if you send them back after they made a real effort to be there. Obviously you did not like her much.

One time I went to the casino and was playing blackjack. I was lucky. I made the girl wait 45 minutes before I met her. Casino does not allow you to use the phone when playing. Girl was real upset why I was not at the agreed meeting point. Another time I could not get rid of the girl who is with me in time to meet the new one. The girl with me was a favourite one one and she really did not want to leave in spite of me saying I have a meeting for business. I made new one wait 1. 5 hours.

So it goes both ways. But I never have sent anybody back unless I just did not like her or it is not the same girl who I talked to on cam. Some girls do send a cousin or friend to meet me. Maybe the real girl had a bf or some other situation.

[WestCoast1]

When I meet a girl in the mall or outside I go late knowing very well that if she is there already she would text one after the other. If I am waiting in the room I go about my activities. Most of the girls take jeepney and they have no control or knowledge how long it will take. However it is cruel if you send them back after they made a real effort to be there.

So it goes both ways. But I never have sent anybody back unless I just did not like her or it is not the same girl who I talked to on cam.

Obviously you did not like her much.Not necessarily. He may never have met her. I'm with RK. I learned long ago to tell them to be prompt or I will not meet them. Things I find that I must tell them ahead of time:

* Be on time. I'm not pinoy. [usually followed by: "Oh, yes, I understand"]

* More than 15 mins late and I will leave, no meeting.

* If you bring a friend I will not buy them anything.

* Better that you are 1 hour early than 5 minutes late.

I used to do like Sammon, and just plan to be late 30-60 minutes myself. But I find it better to tell the girl to leave her place (ie manila, cebu) 2 hours ahead of the meeting time.

[Radical Guy]

But I find it better to tell the girl to leave her place (ie manila, cebu) 2 hours ahead of the meeting time.That's like telling a leopard to change his spots to stripes. Filipinas are just wired a certain way

[Red Kilt]

I'm confused as well. If you already know her track record of being late why didn't you tell her an earlier time than you really wanted her to be there?It was hardly a track record. It was only the 2nd time for me to meet her and I wanted to see what happened.

She killed her chances of a 3rd time.

If I say 11 am then I am there at 11 am. If I arrive at 11. 30 then I am reinforcing her belief that a stipulated time is just a rough guide. The whole notion of saying 10am when you expect them to arrive at 11 is one of the dysfunctional things wrong with the whole society. In my professional life I turn up at the appointed time. Filipinos are still mostly late even though they set their watches 10 minutes ahead, because they assume everyone else will be late. They quickly learn to be on time when I start meetings without them.

As West Coast says, it is easy to lay down your conditions in advance with conditions attached. This is what I always do too. As a result, I have met lots and lots of women, and many of them are on time or early once they know you are serious. Many still have no idea about being on time.

To Sammon: I was certainly not cruel, and I never am. She knew the situation and I was actually kind to wait for her and then send her back with bus fare only. She is not a P4P woman; she was not "out of pocket" from coming to meet me.

She seemed suitably chastened by the episode and texted me numerous times that she will never do it again but to be 1 hour late twice in 2 meetings was not a good omen for me so she is now cut adrift.

[D Cups]

lay down your conditions in advance with conditions attached. .Hi Red, OK I'll try it but I doubt they learn the first time. Mexicans and many other cultures are notoriously late, too, even for business meetings. I don't like it and am always on time. As others have said meet someplace where there is something to do while waiting e. G, girl-watching and beer drinking.

[Sammon]

It was hardly a track record. It was only the 2nd time for me to meet her and I wanted to see what happened.

She killed her chances of a 3rd time.

To Sammon: I was certainly not cruel, and I never am. She knew the situation and I was actually kind to wait for her and then send her back with bus fare only. She is not a P4P woman; she was not "out of pocket" from coming to meet me.

She seemed suitably chastened by the episode and texted me numerous times that she will never do it again but to be 1 hour late twice in 2 meetings was not a good omen for me so she is now cut adrift.I fail to understand. If she is a P4P girl I would understand that she killed the golden goose. She could easily go make money somewhere.

If she is a regular girl hoping to be with you and she made an effort even if she was late, for you to just ask her to turn around and take the jeepney all the way back to her house.

It is not like you got tired of waiting and left and did not want to go back and get her.

You did meet her and obviously there are other factors at play here not just being late. Obviously you did not like her or had other better plans. Just remember she has gone through to meet you. Previous day she would have washed her hair, washed her favourite dress, put on nice make up, splashed some perfume, got her bag packed with essentials etc.

Put yourself in her shoes. Imagine how disappointed she must have been. I assume we all have been in a jeepney few times in our life. It is not a pleasant ride. Dusty, dirty, smoke bellowing from other vehicles, start and stop at every few yards, jostling with other people.

It does not matter what rules you lay down.

I would suggest next time be more sympathetic and considerate to them especially if they are non P4P.

They have grown up in a society with few punctuality restrictions. It is unlikely they will change unless they come to a western country and learn.

Once again I say what you did was cruel. It has nothing to do with money she hoped to get from you.

[Red Kilt]

I would suggest next time be more sympathetic and considerate to them especially if they are non P4P.

They have grown up in a society with few punctuality restrictions. It is unlikely they will change unless they come to a western country and learn.

Once again I say what you did was cruel. It has nothing to do with money she hoped to get from you.Thanks for the long lecture Samm. You must have a heap of time on your hands to bother with such rubbish.

I have been living and working continuously here for 17 years.

Guys who know me would be laughing at your advice to me.

Your comments are completely out of context and misguided, especially the bit about how long it took for her to get ready. She walked out of her shop and jumped on a bus. Splash of perfume???

I guess I can add you to my "Ignore" list in future.

[LifeIsABeach]

If I say 11 am then I am there at 11 am. If I arrive at 11. 30 then I am reinforcing her belief that a stipulated time is just a rough guide. The whole notion of saying 10am when you expect them to arrive at 11 is one of the dysfunctional things wrong with the whole society. In my professional life I turn up at the appointed time. Filipinos are still mostly late even though they set their watches 10 minutes ahead, because they assume everyone else will be late. They quickly learn to be on time when I start meetings without them.I have been travelling around the world for about 40 years and the different cultures and their lifestyles are some things to enjoy and learn from. I do not know where Red Kilt comes from, seems like a place where you get burnt out by having to be very on time and over worked. Many cultures around the world actually enjoy their time more than be always rushed and may be a few HOURS late for meeting, getting together and having a good time. There is NOTHING dysfunctional about such lifestyles. It is what it is. Accept it and enjoy the ride. You are lucky you are not in Morocco where the girl may be 4-6 hours late but will come highly energized. Or, France, where a meeting could be a day late! This is life. You seem too rigid. Don't like PI, just go back to where you came from. It's rare for any woman to be on time, in any country.

[FreebieFan]

Thanks for the long lecture Samm. You must have a heap of time on your hands to bother with such rubbish.

I have been living and working continuously here for 17 years.

Guys who know me would be laughing at your advice to me.

Your comments are completely out of context and misguided, especially the bit about how long it took for her to get ready. She walked out of her shop and jumped on a bus. Splash of perfume?

I guess I can add you to my "Ignore" list in future.You have probably already added the Life is a beach " guy to the ignore list also mate. Some of these pompous prats are amazing. Its why I need a holiday from this board every so often.

[GoodEnough]

I don't want to prolong this insipid debate any longer than necessary, but RK is a good friend, a person I know well, and therefore I know how absurd some of these comments are.

GE

[Cunning Stunt]

I don't want to prolong this insipid debate any longer than necessary, but RK is a good friend, a person I know well, and therefore I know how absurd some of these comments are.I disagree. On an open. Democratic forum, everyone is entitled to an opinion whether valid or misled. Just because a member is a fine, upstanding member of the ISG community does not make them immune from criticism for their admitted actions and it up to them to explain or otherwise ignore the criticism as they see fit. Although the support of 'good friends' is to be lauded, it does smack slightly of the dreaded 'croneyism' that we all mock and despise in a certain institution that is frequently derided on these threads.

So let the guy defend himself if he so wishes. I'm sure that he is much more of a man than another senior member who was recently taken to task by fellow members for perceived 'off form' behaviour and who appears to have disappeared from the forum in a no doubt petulant hissy fit. Although whereas in his case it might be a case of well rid, the valued contribution of RK is appreciated and its loss is to be avoided.

[Sammon]

I don't want to prolong this insipid debate any longer than necessary, but RK is a good friend, a person I know well, and therefore I know how absurd some of these comments are.

GEJust because he is your good friend you defend his actions?

So hereon whoever is not your good friend it is ok to be criticized?

This is a forum where everybody expresses their opinion. Everybody who posts here need to take the criticizing with a grain of salt. If they do not like do not post. Simple!

Is this guy god almighty himself to put me on the ignore list? Who cares?

Am I going to loose sleep on it? Stupid comments fitting his ugly personality. Anybody who meets a girl and gives few pesos to go back after she made the effort in spite of being late speaks how classy he is.

And he is your good friend? You choose your friends well!

[Buko Max]

On an open. Democratic forum, everyone is entitled to an opinion whether valid or misled.Yes it is funny to see long time prolific posters bellyache and threaten to put other members on ignore lists just because they don't agree with said topic. It shows what kind of men they really are.

[Soapy Smith]

If viewed as a 'debate' between RK and others, this exchange does perhaps appear insipid. But since I view it as a dialogue, I find it quite productive in a number of ways. The dialogue contains, for example, underlying narratives about national cultures (Beach Life), about whether it is possible to change cultural practices that are deeply ingrained in people (Radical Guy), about the limitations of function vs. dysfunction for evaluating societal tendencies (Beach Life), and about group dynamics ('cronyism,' 'groupthink' [? ]) among participants in this forum (CS). Although I recognize that some participants may experience the interaction here as raw and personal, I am just far enough removed that I find it quite provocative.

As regards the dysfunctionality of 'Filipino time' I think Beach Life made an important point. Essentially he argues that functionality and dysfunctionality are always relative—to some set of values or interests. What is functional for efficiency in economic transactions may be dysfunctional for societal harmony. What is functional for short-term accomplishments may give us ulcers in the longer term. Some cultures, especially Anglo cultures (including the U.S.), have characteristically short time horizons. Others, especially Asian cultures, have much longer time horizons. Americans, for example, are preoccupied with opening up more and more sources of fossil fuel, heading toward 'energy independence,' while simultaneously probably destroying the earth's capability to support human life.

I could point out many other functional contradictions but won't. I agree that from the standpoint of somebody socialized in a Western country Philippine culture and politics seem 'dysfunctional.' But does that mean dysfunctional relative to 'development' or 'progress'? And if so, shouldn't we reflect on where Western progress is pointed? The terms 'development' and 'progress' carry a great deal of value baggage.

There has been lots to criticize in the Philippine disaster response. But please note that in all of Anderson Cooper's criticism—and in applause for his reporting-there was nary a mention of the way that American (and other industrial nations') carbon fuel effluents may be contributing to the increasingly horrific storms that affect the Philippines so directly. Each of the last three years has seen typhoons bigger than anything that came before them. Do we think this dynamic is going to change? Perhaps the absence of this discussion in international reporting (I did hear a Canadian journalist raise the issue) ought to cause us to reflect on our own cultural assumptions about what is functional and dysfunctional.

Americans and other Westerners have been trying and mostly failing for more than a century to make the Philippines over in our image. Leopards, spots, stripes anybody?

As to RK's interactions with the woman at Mall of Asia, there was an interesting clash of cultural realities. RK had a limited window of time, and his professional and socialized dispositions caused him to place importance on not being late for his business meeting. I don't recall what her background was, but we might suspect her cultural and professional commitments were much different. Who was right or wrong is relative to where we sit. Will his response to her change her cultural dispositions? Leopards, spots, stripes? And even if his response did make cultural impact with her, that's one down and 94,999 to go. Like others I think there must have been other factors than the punctuality issue. Most of us, if we found redeeming qualities in her, might have tried to find another way to hook up on another occasion. RK did title his original report as something about Filipino time, so what he depicted may have been meant only to illustrate that dimension. I assume other embedded conditions must have been present, but he did not include them in his report.

I think the principal takeaway here is that RK has suggested a rationale and tactic that may be useful to others on this forum. But as for cultural differences, I'm not sure there's much to learn from RK's immediate interaction that hasn't been said in the forum many times before. But there is much that's accessible in the ensuing discussion.

If you are still reading and you have lots of spare time, you may want to look at a couple of sources of thinking about national cultures and cross-cultural interaction.

This is a link to the work of Geert Hofstede, who conducted huge studies in the late 1970s of cultural differences among IBM employees in more than 80 countries. I believe he tries to keep his data current; he is getting a little long in the tooth and his son seems to be taking a larger role in their work:

http://geert-hofstede.com/national-culture.html

Robert House and his students at the University of Pennsylvania attempted to extend Hofstede's work in their GLOBE 62 studies. I could not find his website; maybe he thinks he would be giving away proprietary information that he gets paid to use in his international consulting. Here is a good description of their work:

http://www.grovewell.com/pub-GLOBE-intro.html

(Sorry, you will need to cut and paste that one.)

There is also the work of Ronald Inglehart and Christian Welzel in their World Values Survey. They have surveyed folks in various countries over a number of years. One lesson from their work is that all cultures in the world are moving in a generally common direction toward 'modernization.' Unfortunately they reduce the equation to two factors: traditional vs. secular-rational values and survival (communal) vs. self-expression values. A little too simplistic IMHO:

http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/

Sorry, sometimes Skip just can't help himself.

[Mr Enternational]

Great post Skip. Bringing up Hofstede brought back memories of my MBA work. I chose to major in International Business because differences in culture was the only thing that appealed to me and I wanted to make money knowing how to work among those differences.

Every culture has its own perspective of time. If a party or meeting in Brazil was said to start at 9 and you showed promptly then you would certainly look like a jackazz for being so early, because it would be common knowledge in that culture that at 9 nothing would be ready and you are really supposed to arrive at least 45 minutes after the posted time. So if you are choosing to bring your North American or Western European standards of time to meet with the head of Petrobras there, then you best be prepared to wait in the ante room for a significant period of time.

Generally when dealing with other people on their home turf you are not allowed to play by your set of rules, you must play by theirs. It seems some foreigner is learning that everyday here in Thailand.

[Soapy Smith]

Great post Skip. Bringing up Hofstede brought back memories of my MBA work. I chose to major in International Business because differences in culture was the only thing that appealed to me and I wanted to make money knowing how to work among those differences.Glad I was able to bring back some fond memories. I saw Hofstede speak way back in 1993. I find lots of good applications for his five dimensions while also recognizing some limitations in his perspective.

One of the most used applications of "Filipino time" is when Filipinos arrive late for meetings with apologies about "it's very troppick." In this usage troppick (traffic) is essentially an adjective that implies the traffic was very heavy. While it gets to be a transparent excuse, there is some truth to the heavy traffic conditions. But even many professionals appear not to plan for likely heavy traffic, so they may well expect to be able to use the "troppick" line regardless when they arrive. But in my limited experience meetings in early morning and at night seem to have fewer punctuality issues. This seems to correspond to traffic levels.

[WestCoast1]

One of the most used applications of "Filipino time" is when Filipinos arrive late for meetings with apologies about "it's very troppick." In this usage troppick (traffic) is essentially an adjective that implies the traffic was very heavy. While it gets to be a transparent excuse, there is some truth to the heavy traffic conditions. But even many professionals appear not to plan for likely heavy traffic, so they may well expect to be able to use the "troppick" line regardless when they arrive. But in my limited experience meetings in early morning and at night seem to have fewer punctuality issues. This seems to correspond to traffic levels.Regarding 'troppick'. I find that if you ask a girl how long it takes her to get from Makati to Malate (Robinson's) to meet at 2pm, she will say 45 minutes or 1 hour. If you ask her how long it takes at 9pm, she will say the same thing. Its more like 30-40 minutes at night, and 1. 5 hours in the daytime. If meeting at 2pm and she says she will leave at 1pm, I find it better to suggest she leave by noon. I tell her if she's early I'll buy her some lunch. Seems to have improved timeliness.


Generally when dealing with other people on their home turf you are not allowed to play by your set of rules, you must play by theirs. It seems some foreigner is learning that everyday here in Thailand.Respectfully disagree. Pinoy do understand punctuality. And they can be on time (when they consciously want to). The culture is to not be punctual, but they are not ignorant of it. Front-loading the conversation with expectations certainly helps."I'm not pinoy. Don't be late. More than 15 minutes late there is no meeting you go home with nothing. Leave 2 hours early." To you and me, that may sound harsh. But pinay never seem to mind waiting around a mall to meet (I tend to meet more and more only with girls who have nothing to do). Failure to front-load means you end up playing by her rules.

BTW I'm with RK: 15 minutes late = no meeting (usually) , as I schedule multiple activities in the day (girls).

[Mr Enternational]

But pinay never seem to mind waiting around a mall to meet (I tend to meet more and more only with girls who have nothing to do). Failure to front-load means you end up playing by her rules.

BTW I'm with RK: 15 minutes late = no meeting (usually) , as I schedule multiple activities in the day (girls).Once I was meeting a girl. She picked the meeting place (mall) and the time. She did have a car and I was on foot. When I arrived at the mall she claimed that she was on the way to the meeting spot from another part of the mall. I waited and waited but nothing. Tired of waiting, I ordered a meal and sat down in a restaurant to eat.

I was just about finished my meal when she appeared. She claimed that she had not been late at all, but had been watching me in the mall as I talked to / was with other women. This was a blatant lie, but she swore by it. When I arrived all sweaty the only female I talked to was the one who took my order. She stood by this lie though. And even though we went to the hotel after and fucked each other's brains out, to this day I just don't understand why she would tell an outright lie like that which to me served no purpose..

[Pete Benetar]

15 minutes late = no meeting (usually) , as I schedule multiple activities in the day (girls).Sounds flexible to me. My girl gets 5 minutes to go on notice, or gets demerits. Daddy pays her bills and she likes her bills paid. Very punctual. But if I hope to get laid at petrobras or pemex or whatev perhaps punctuality is much overrated.

OT, the urologist favoring Levitra for favorable cardio ADR profile is a shareholder of Bayer / Schering-Plough or dollars to doughnuts gets some very nice perks from their marketing depts.

[GoodEnough]

Skip raises several points that I found interesting. I hadn't really appreciated the cultural metaphors embedded in the points of view expressed. Certainly most Western cultures view time linearly, and we this place importance on at least the illusion of time management. For us, time is a commodity that has value. For Filipinos time is more fungible, less a commodity than a flexible approximation of when something might happen. It has little predictive value in day to day life. In terms of the larger cultural mix of vales and ensuing behavior I agree with Skip's point; it's unlikely anything we do will change this. Perhaps in a largely agrarian society people's lives are governed by much broader, less precise concepts of time such as the seasons, or day and nighttime.

I've found the differences in time perceptions true in most SE Asian cultures. When working in Thailand I had attributed the value differences to starkly different world viewS of Buddhist and Western cultures. For Buddhists, time is circular. However, perhaps the difference has nothing to do with Buddhism and perhaps the differences in values and perceptions can be traced to a set of cultural characteristics shared by several SE Asian countries.

Thanks Skip for casting the whole discussion in a different light.

GE

[FreebieFan]

If viewed as a 'debate' between RK and others, this exchange does perhaps appear insipid. But since I view it as a dialogue, I find it quite productive in a number of ways. The dialogue contains, for example, underlying narratives about national cultures (Beach Life) , about whether it is possible to change cultural practices that are deeply ingrained in people (Radical Guy) , about the limitations of function vs. Dysfunction for evaluating societal tendencies (Beach Life) , and about group dynamics ('cronyism, ' 'groupthink' [? ]) among participants in this forum (CS). Although I recognize that some participants may experience the interaction here as raw and personal, I am just far enough removed that I find it quite provocative.

As regards the dysfunctionality of 'Filipino time' I think Beach Life made an important point. Essentially he argues that functionality and dysfunctionality are always relative—to some set of values or interests. What is functional for efficiency in economic transactions may be dysfunctional for societal harmony. What is functional for short-term accomplishments may give us ulcers in the longer term. Some cultures, especially Anglo cultures (including the USA) , have characteristically short time horizons. Others, especially Asian cultures, have much longer time horizons. Americans, for example, are preoccupied with opening up more and more sources of fossil fuel, heading toward 'energy independence, ' while simultaneously probably destroying the earth's capability to support human life.

I could point out many other functional contradictions but won't. I agree that from the standpoint of somebody socialized in a Western country Philippine culture and politics seem 'dysfunctional. ' But does that mean dysfunctional relative to 'development' or 'progress'? And if so, shouldn't we reflect on where Western progress is pointed? The terms 'development' and 'progress' carry a great deal of value baggage.

There has been lots to criticize in the Philippine disaster response. But please note that in all of Anderson Cooper's criticism—and in applause for his reporting-there was nary a mention of the way that American (and other industrial nations') carbon fuel effluents may be contributing to the increasingly horrific storms that affect the Philippines so directly. Each of the last three years has seen typhoons bigger than anything that came before them. Do we think this dynamic is going to change? Perhaps the absence of this discussion in international reporting (I did hear a Canadian journalist raise the issue) ought to cause us to reflect on our own cultural assumptions about what is functional and dysfunctional.

Americans and other Westerners have been trying and mostly failing for more than a century to make the Philippines over in our image. Leopards, spots, stripes anybody?

As to RK's interactions with the woman at Mall of Asia, there was an interesting clash of cultural realities. RK had a limited window of time, and his professional and socialized dispositions caused him to place importance on not being late for his business meeting. I don't recall what her background was, but we might suspect her cultural and professional commitments were much different. Who was right or wrong is relative to where we sit. Will his response to her change her cultural dispositions? Leopards, spots, stripes? And even if his response did make cultural impact with her, that's one down and 94, 999 to go. Like others I think there must have been other factors than the punctuality issue. Most of us, if we found redeeming qualities in her, might have tried to find another way to hook up on another occasion. RK did title his original report as something about Filipino time, so what he depicted may have been meant only to illustrate that dimension. I assume other embedded conditions must have been present, but he did not include them in his report.

I think the principal takeaway here is that RK has suggested a rationale and tactic that may be useful to others on this forum. But as for cultural differences, I'm not sure there's much to learn from RK's immediate interaction that hasn't been said in the forum many times before. But there is much that's accessible in the ensuing discussion.

If you are still reading and you have lots of spare time, you may want to look at a couple of sources of thinking about national cultures and cross-cultural interaction.

This is a link to the work of Geert Hofstede, who conducted huge studies in the late 1970s of cultural differences among IBM employees in more than 80 countries. I believe he tries to keep his data current; he is getting a little long in the tooth and his son seems to be taking a larger role in their work:

http://geert-hofstede.com/national-culture.html

Robert House and his students at the University of Pennsylvania attempted to extend Hofstede's work in their GLOBE 62 studies. I could not find his website; maybe he thinks he would be giving away proprietary information that he gets paid to use in his international consulting. Here is a good description of their work:

http://www.grovewell.com/pub-GLOBE-intro.html

(Sorry, you will need to cut and paste that one.)

There is also the work of Ronald Inglehart and Christian Welzel in their World Values Survey. They have surveyed folks in various countries over a number of years. One lesson from their work is that all cultures in the world are moving in a generally common direction toward 'modernization. ' Unfortunately they reduce the equation to two factors: traditional vs. Secular-rational values and survival (communal) vs. Self-expression values. A little too simplistic IMHO:

http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/

Sorry, sometimes Skip just can't help himself.WOW SKIP. Do you have a lot of free time or a brain that went into overdrive with this subject matter.

Amaxing analysis, however at the end of the day some girls will be late and some won't. And some guys will tolerate it and some won't.

[Soapy Smith]

WOW SKIP. Do you have a lot of free time or a brain that went into overdrive with this subject matter.Probably more the latter than the former. It was Sunday morning for me, and since I live in the Bible Belt, everybody else was in church at the time. LOL

[BrainDrain]

Once I was meeting a girl. She picked the meeting place (mall) and the time. She did have a car and I was on foot. When I arrived at the mall she claimed that she was on the way to the meeting spot from another part of the mall. I waited and waited but nothing. Tired of waiting, I ordered a meal and sat down in a restaurant to eat.When they say 'almost there", or I'm in taxi" etc, they could very well still be at home showering or deciding to take a Jeepney to save the money to that you are paying for the taxi anyway. These days I do the same thing and just tell them 30 minutes earlier than I will arrive.

[Hutsori]

Sorry, sometimes Skip just can't help himself.Great comment, Skip, and good follow up comments by some others. I'm presently waiting for a girl and an aircon technician so I have time on my hands and needed something to read. Knowing my luck the aircon guy will show up just as I'm inserting. Dem da breaks.

I've long ago given up on expecting a girl to show up on time, though from time to time I'm pleasantly surprised and on three occasions have been caught wrong footed by a girl arriving early. I understand a guy's frustration of leaving with plenty of time to be punctual and the girl doesn't extend the same courtesy. Nevertheless it's her country and culture, we're the guests, and if accommodations are to be made I think it's on us to do so.

The only solution that's worked for me is meeting the girl at my condo. Sure she's late, but so what? I don't have to travel anywhere and dilly dally around. I have my computer, my TV, my books, my swimming pool, and my refrigerator all at hand. Going to watch "Boardwalk Empire" in a moment. In previous discussions of this very same topic I've read most would never do this. So, bring a book to read while waiting at Starbucks next time.

[BrainDrain]

BD,

I would take the girl eslewhere for a first time like HK, BKK or KL as you then have a stamp of exit / return. Singapore always a tough one but the affidavit will work.

And yes, no refund.Thanks WR. Decided it is easier to go without. It's not that I don't get my fair share in Ph.

[FreebieFan]

I've long ago given up on expecting a girl to show up on time, though from time to time I'm pleasantly surprised and on three occasions have been caught wrong footed by a girl arriving early. I understand a guy's frustration of leaving with plenty of time to be punctual and the girl doesn't extend the same courtesy. Nevertheless it's her country and culture, we're the guests, and if accommodations are to be made I think it's on us to do so.Its interesting that in the world of work, everyone showed up for work on time.

In the five years when I worked there, I was pleasantly suprised by how punctual everyone was from the lowest to the highest members of staff. Meetings started on time and it was rare that someone called in late saying stuck in "trapik".

The filipinas who are late for dates must be a different type? Or maybe work / livelihood / salaray is of greater import.

Separately, I recall waking up after a boozy night in Manila with my phone ringing, and I see its a girl I'm supposed to meet.

She does the normal " where are you, I'm here" routine.

I said I just woke up.

She said "Ok I wait you. I'm here now".

I did a time check and she was 2 hours early.

[Hutsori]

When they say 'almost there", or I'm in taxi" etc, they could very well still be at home showering or deciding to take a Jeepney to save the money to that you are paying for the taxi anyway. These days I do the same thing and just tell them 30 minutes earlier than I will arrive.The worst is when a girl tells you she's in a nearby city and says she can meet in two hours after she bathes and prepares herself. Then you later learn she's coming from some far off place, like Laguna. Jeez!

[Hutsori]

Its interesting that in the world of work, everyone showed up for work on time.

In the five years when I worked there, I was pleasantly suprised by how punctual everyone was from the lowest to the highest members of staff. Meetings started on time and it was rare that someone called in late saying stuck in "trapik".

The filipinas who are late for dates must be a different type? Or maybe work / livelihood / salaray is of greater import.You're right about workplace punctuality. I do know one girl whose office allows a 15-minute tardy window, but I haven't heard of this elsewhere. I know the call centres can be hard ass about punctuality.

Maybe there's a power play at hand. How long will he wait for da poosy?

And two hours early?!? Hysterical!

[FreebieFan]

Interesting article abour Filipino families and dysfunctionality. May explain why some of them are the way they are, why they comment about each other as they do, why they will always follow the family first,

The comments are as always, equally illuminating.

http://antipinoy.com/failed-family-values/

[Pip Jaeger]

I had a good laugh the other night. My gf JJ and I met up again with one of her gf's (who I'll call Lyn) for a 3some. Last March when we met this hot little spinner she was in an LTR with a tomboy (who we also met and was extremely cute). Talking to her she mentioned that she would only let her TB and guys eat her pussy. I thought it was some kind of a deal she had with her TB girl friend that would help maintain a modicum of intimacy between them.

Shortly after my last visit Lyn broke up with her TB and went home to her province. She only just returned to AC a few days ago. JJ was excited not only to see her again, but she was hoping to eat her too; something she's wanted to do for over 2 years. When we got to the room and started playing around Lyn wouldn't let JJ go down on her. Lyn's explanation: "JJ's my good friend, but she's a girl and I only let boys eat my pussy".

Somewhat perplexed I asked about her ex-TB friend, saying something to the effect that she would let her TB eat her pussy and she replied,"Yes". So then I asked what the difference is, after all your TB was a girl."No, that's different, she was a boy". Apparently some girls view tomboys as "boys", even if they are fully 100% female. A bit confusing for me, but I guess in their minds it makes sense. Anyone else here on the board run across a situation like this? Is this something common here in Phils or elsewhere too?

JJ was still a little disappointed, but of course she was right there every time I pulled out of Lyn to lick my cock clean. And Lyn had no objection when I sucked her cum out her pussy and shared it with JJ (which she hungrily lapped up) ; at least JJ was somewhat pacified, LOL.

[Econo Tech]

Somewhat perplexed I asked about her ex-TB friend, saying something to the effect that she would let her TB eat her pussy and she replied,"Yes". So then I asked what the difference is, after all your TB was a girl."No, that's different, she was a boy". Apparently some girls view tomboys as "boys", even if they are fully 100% female. A bit confusing for me, but I guess in their minds it makes sense. Anyone else here on the board run across a situation like this? Is this something common here in Phils or elsewhere too?Yah, been there, almost. Met a girl, who had a tomboy in relationship, who would suck me totally dry, but refused to let me penetrate. And another who insist she will not let me DATY, though she was ok for everything else, as she reserved the DATY for her Tomboy GF / BF (yes, they think tomboy=boy. Though I have inspected more than one tomboy anf found they are 100% women.)

Strange belief they have in PH, including blaming the strong sperm if the girl gets pregnant, and insisting on not wearing condom as condoms can give rash / irritation. (not that I mind. Though.)

[FreebieFan]

Been exchanging a few chats with a lady / girl I knew but backed off when she revealed that instead of her posted age of 19 she was actually 17.

Today she restarts chatting with me and says " I'm 18 now I had birthday last week. U are free of child abuse if we meet ".

[Slippery]

Been exchanging a few chats with a lady / girl I knew but backed off when she revealed that instead of her posted age of 19 she was actually 17.

Today she restarts chatting with me and says " I'm 18 now I had birthday last week. U are free of child abuse if we meet ".It happened to me twice this week. I reminded them about Freddie's problems and how it could be incredibly bad for a foreigner. They had no problem with Freddie but in my work experience, as soon as an older guy dumps a minor, she complains, he's arrested, tried in the press, given a "fair" trial with the "victim" sitting there sobbing, and then given a long prison sentence. Nope. Not even taking a remote chance on that. Especially with the prospect of prison, let alone a Filipino prison. I'm so sick and tired of these women on chats asking for money anyway. Oh, well, back to the neighborhood bars. Its more fun in the Philippines.

[Cbea20]

Yes, of course they are, most of them, a "different type" from filipinos who arrive punctually at work or school. They dropped out of school, and in most cases never held a real job. The bar has a time to be at work, but they don't get fired for tardiness or days off, because the highest priority of management is having many bodies at work. Contrast this with call centers, where many apply for a limited number of jobs-five minutes late and you'll be fired, they tell you during training.

For the minority who are capable of holding a real job, they have a wrong attitude. They don't view a meeting with you as a contracted job; they view it as socializing (and they view themselves as anything but a prostitute). So they are casual with meeting you as they are with family and friends.


Its interesting that in the world of work, everyone showed up for work on time.

In the five years when I worked there, I was pleasantly suprised by how punctual everyone was from the lowest to the highest members of staff. Meetings started on time and it was rare that someone called in late saying stuck in "trapik".

The filipinas who are late for dates must be a different type? Or maybe work / livelihood / salaray is of greater import.

Separately, I recall waking up after a boozy night in Manila with my phone ringing, and I see its a girl I'm supposed to meet.

She does the normal " where are you, I'm here" routine.

I said I just woke up.

She said "Ok I wait you. I'm here now".

I did a time check and she was 2 hours early.

[Cbea20]

In my experience, it's not a matter of gender. The girl who comes to you to exchange sex for money is very afraid of her pinoy lover's jealousy. She will reserve certain activities for her lover. Sometimes she will screw you but refrain from giving head; sometimes she will give head but refrain from screwing you. And the tomboy, usually an older butch woman, is the very worst when it comes to insecurity and violent jealousy. My response is,"I am more important than your empty-pockets boyfriend, because I am supporting you. Your body belongs to you, and you can do or not do what you want with it. But my money is my money too." Then I might renegotiate payment, or else make clear that it's a one-time-only visit. The one-time-only threat is of course ineffective in a one-night-stand environment such as AC.

By the way, a butch can and often does screw the femme, using some implement.


Yah, been there, almost. Met a girl, who had a tomboy in relationship, who would suck me totally dry, but refused to let me penetrate. And another who insist she will not let me DATY, though she was ok for everything else, as she reserved the DATY for her Tomboy GF / BF (yes, they think tomboy=boy. Though I have inspected more than one tomboy anf found they are 100% women.)

Strange belief they have in PH, including blaming the strong sperm if the girl gets pregnant, and insisting on not wearing condom as condoms can give rash / irritation. (not that I mind. Though.)

[Econo Tech]

In my experience, it's not a matter of gender. The girl who comes to you to exchange sex for money is very afraid of her pinoy lover's jealousy. She will reserve certain activities for her lover. Sometimes she will screw you but refrain from giving head; sometimes she will give head but refrain from screwing you. And the tomboy, usually an older butch woman, is the very worst when it comes to insecurity and violent jealousy. My response is,"I am more important than your empty-pockets boyfriend, because I am supporting you. Your body belongs to you, and you can do or not do what you want with it. But my money is my money too." Then I might renegotiate payment, or else make clear that it's a one-time-only visit. The one-time-only threat is of course ineffective in a one-night-stand environment such as AC.

By the way, a butch can and often does screw the femme, using some implement.I agree with almost everything you say, other than the part of trying to hammer in logic into the pinays brain. LOL

[Wicked Roger]

By the way, a butch can and often does screw the femme, using some implement.I agree hence the many request " please buy me a strap on WR as I love to be used like that by my (tomboy / butch) girlfriend" Being a gent I try to oblige but a condition is that when am town we all meet up for an 'educational' lesson on how to use the strap on. Never any jealousy from the butch girls in my experience.

Also I make sure I get more than the butch such as Greek as she / he can't do that very well LOL.

[IM Punter]

Not to be derogatory and I am not accusing the girls I have met of deceit, but I have noticed something common amongst the filipina's that I have met on the past two trips to the Philippines.

Many times, the stories they tell aren't consistent or don't add up. I am not talking about the scammers, I am talking about the ones I have met, and enjoyed their company.

For example, a couple of years ago, after meeting my first Philippine girl outside Havana, I ended up texting her so we could get together again. I asked her where she was. She replied at home in Taguig watching TV, but did I want to get together. Well the answer was yes and her reply was "I here at Starbucks". Hmm, didn't she just tell me she was watching TV at home.

Another example, on my last November trip, one of my DIA prospects (a reject) had texted my on a Sunday morning asking what I was doing, in turn, I asked her, and she said she was at church but she could meet me at the Filling Station in 15 minutes. Being that my hotel was at the Oxford, I was in the Filling Station in 2 minutes. Guess who was sitting in the smoking section. The girl who 3 minutes earlier was telling me she was in church.

Yet another example.

Also, on my November visit I was heading over to my philippine "wife"'s house. Every few minute she would text me "where was I", as she was worried the taxi driver was taking me on a ride (he was). As the driver pulled up outside her house, I texted her "are you at home", she replied she was at the market buying manok she was going to cook for my supper."Ok", I said, I'm outside your house but I'll go and wait in the 7-11 across the street. Sure enough, there she is in 7-11 with her young son.

Since then I have been skyping with her quite frequently and occasionally these inconsistencies crop up. For example, she'll say she had adobo manok for supper. Then a few minutes later, she'll say she hasn't had supper yet.

Ok, so these stories weren't intended to harm me, and the lies were inconsequential. But why? I could see lying if there was a purpose, ie. Texting the trusting 'kano in the US, that they are the only man in their life, while sitting next to their Korean boyfriend, but when there isn't a direct purpose, I don't get it.

Any ideas on why?

[Makeupaname]

LOL, I don't know why they do that, but if you question them about it, they will say you are strict.

[Tally Wacker]

Not to be derogatory and I am not accusing the girls I have met of deceit, but I have noticed something common amongst the filipina's that I have met on the past two trips to the Philippines.

Many times, the stories they tell aren't consistent or don't add up. I am not talking about the scammers, I am talking about the ones I have met, and enjoyed their company.

Any ideas on why?It seems like the first two girls were attempting to come off as innocent and did not want you to know they were out hunting other prospects but once they knew you were up for a romp they jumped on your offer. Remember they don't think ahead as many steps as you might.

As far as your wife is concerned I have no clue.

[Member #4387]

I am no expert in pinays way of thinking by all means and I have ro throw in some good lying too to get by. I will try not to sound from up tp down but I find most of the pussies I dealing with to be not that bright at all. I think their intellect is atleast 10 years behind their equillaents in the western world. They have no lack or understanding in our maby a tad more developed way of thinking ahead. I guess your examples would work fine in phils for the "locals" but they are not tuned into our mind of thinking.

I have a few examples leading in your direction as well:

1. Last week I had this spinner claiming she lived in Makati and in a 15 minutes range from my location. Truth to be told she lived in Valenzuela and it took her 1 hour+ to get there.

2. Another spinner supposed to be located in Makati was in the province and asked me to provide her money so she could get to see me.

3. One sleepover of mine claimed she was bold in the pussyarea but she had quite some forest, hehe, and we debated that only a few hours before we met.

4. Told she was a english teacher but could hardly put in two correct words next to eachother. That was comforting.

Ex nr 3 this were girls I never met but ditched out of stupidness, hehe.

[D Cups]

Many times, the stories they tell aren't consistent or don't add up. I am not talking about the scammers, I am talking about the ones I have met, and enjoyed their company.

Any ideas on why?You'll go nuts trying to answer this or for that matter the way any woman from any country thinks. Just accept them, bang them and be nice to them. If you want conversation go to a Westerner, preferably an educated man.

[FruitNinja]

I'm planning my trip to SE Asia. Definite stops are Tokyo to sight see. Manila and Cebu for the obvious. Maybe Singapore and Kuala Lampur then Vietnam and I leave from Bangkok. Whew! Being the planner that I am I'm on the net way to much trying to hook up some freelancers. I'm concentrating on the Phils because it's very do-able. Vietnam because I like the look of the women. In talking to the women in the Phils I've got 18 year olds begging to meet. I'm 56. I've got probably 40 phone numbers. Trying to do the same in Vietnam and I can't get 35 year olds to even agree to meet. I'm thinking the Phils are heaven on earth.

[Amavida]

Not to be derogatory and I am not accusing the girls I have met of deceit, but I have noticed something common amongst the filipina's that I have met on the past two trips to the Philippines.

Many times, the stories they tell aren't consistent or don't add up. I am not talking about the scammers, I am talking about the ones I have met, and enjoyed their company.

Any ideas on why?I've been intimately involved with people of PI for about 7 years or so all in all.

They all do this. Rich or poor.

Many women I have known tell so many lies they can't remember what lies they've told to who.

Cultural? The 'Face' thing? Asian people are less direct than westerners, preferring answer a question with what they think you want to hear rather than the plain truth for fear of offending. Then there is the assigning responsibility thing. Always give an answer that sets someone else up to take the fall if the shit hits the fan about something. Try running a friggin business with all of them doing this all day long. Jeeezzzuuusss.

Then there are the truly duplicitous little bitches who are trying to work every angle of situations.

Learn to live with it or switch to another arena. You will NOT change them.

AV

[Waals]

Can't help wondering if there is a mirror website, perhaps called InternationalRichGuyGuide. Info where Pinays discuss good places to find us.

I imagine if there was you would find a similar discussion about how western men are so deceitful, and how they just tell the girls what they want to here in order to either get the best service for x amount or in non-P4P scenarios to fuck girls for as close to free as possible.

There's no end of guys on this forum (not all guys) who are willing to pretend to have long term plans for business in the Philippines, who pretend not to have wives, who pretend to only have x amount of money in their pocket, or who pretend to have sudden things to deal with "elsewhere" in order to get rid of one girl to make space for the next

There is culture of deception where us and them meet. Though there are many honest representatives on both sides, and wish them all well.

[X Man]

Stop over generalizing."they all do this" is stereotyping.


I've been intimately involved with people of PI for about 7 years or so all in all.

They all do this. Rich or poor.

Many women I have known tell so many lies they can't remember what lies they've told to who.

Cultural? The 'Face' thing? Asian people are less direct than westerners, preferring answer a question with what they think you want to hear rather than the plain truth for fear of offending. Then there is the assigning responsibility thing. Always give an answer that sets someone else up to take the fall if the shit hits the fan about something. Try running a friggin business with all of them doing this all day long. Jeeezzzuuusss.

Then there are the truly duplicitous little bitches who are trying to work every angle of situations.

Learn to live with it or switch to another arena. You will NOT change them.

AV

[Sam 14]

Not to be derogatory and I am not accusing the girls I have met of deceit, but I have noticed something common amongst the filipina's that I have met on the past two trips to the Philippines.

Many times, the stories they tell aren't consistent or don't add up.I have a common theme and it's in the dozens, probably hundreds. This should probably be in the Davao thread since that's where it occurred and where it's been the most predictable. But it's not a small lie telling me what I want to hear, I like that. It's a direct lie telling me exactly what I don't want to hear.

Here's just the latest example: Today I met a tall, very pretty, dark brown girl. Nice body, around 19 and friendly. I gave her my number with a little note saying "you're so guapa" and within 15 minutes I got a text. Then it's all the usual questions; Where did you live, you already have a wife or family, why your here, what your work here, you have a business, why you left your home, you have a kids, your old already why you don't have a wife, and so on. So I played along for a while then I dropped the bad word. Something about "meeting in personal so we could talk". Then came the whopper that was so absurd I didn't even bother to reply;"I have no time because I have to focus on my work". The reason It sounded so ridiculous and I didn't reply is because I met her at the station, she was pumping gas in my motorcycle. It took allot of restraint not to text back but I've become good at it. Because the only reply I could come up with wouldn't have been very respectful or nice. It would have been something like; Haha. Well I appreciate you not lighting my motor on fire Sweetheart, but how much focus do you really need?

I'm hoping this is a bit unique to Davao because many of them haven't had experience even talking to a foreigner, especially on the outskirts of the city. But I would much rather hear them say "I'm scared of you or you look like my grandpa".

[D Cups]

OK guys see if you can help me out with this one if you are interested and on DIA. Go to Hanna8888. She is in Dumaguete. 28 whyear old In her first DIA photo she was gorgeous but the one she has up there now she looks like a ladyboy? She changed it after she gave me her phone # (if she is really a she)! Opinions, please, after you look at the photo. Thanks. I swear she was much prettier in the first photo.

[D Cups]

a similar discussion about how western men are so deceitful, and how they just tell the girls what they want to here in order to either get the best service for x amount or in non-P4P scenarios to fuck girls for as close to free as possible. willing to pretend to have long term plans for business in the Philippines, who pretend not to have wives, who pretend to only have x amount of money in their pocket, or who pretend to have sudden things to deal with "elsewhere" in order to get rid of one girl to make space for the next There is culture of deception .To quote Jack Nicholson's character in A Few Good Men "The truth? You can't handle the truth"! Frankly I have never met a woman that handles the truth very well. Maybe it is just me.

[Amavida]

OK guys see if you can help me out with this one if you are interested and on DIA. Go to Hanna8888. She is in Dumaguete. 28 whyear old In her first DIA photo she was gorgeous but the one she has up there now she looks like a ladyboy? She changed it after she gave me her phone # (if she is really a she)! Opinions, please, after you look at the photo. Thanks. I swear she was much prettier in the first photo.Its not uncommon for Pinays to share online accounts. Its not uncommon for a Pinay's bakla cousin to run an account on her behalf until a fish takes the bait. Lastly, people of both sexes often lie on dating sites about their looks etc etc. Ask to see any girl on cam early in the negotiations phase to verify her looks.
Let is know the outcome.

AV

[D Cups]

Thanks, AV. I have decided not to meet her / him / it opting instead for a more obvious well endowed (in the boobs) semi chubby duma girl.


Its not uncommon for Pinays to share online accounts. Its not uncommon for a Pinay's bakla cousin to run an account on her behalf until a fish takes the bait. Lastly, people of both sexes often lie on dating sites about their looks etc etc. Ask to see any girl on cam early in the negotiations phase to verify her looks.
Let is know the outcome.

AV.

[Hutsori]

3. One sleepover of mine claimed she was bold in the pussyarea but she had quite some forest, hehe, and we debated that only a few hours before we met. Things grow fast in the tropics.


4. Told she was a english teacher but could hardly put in two correct words next to eachother. That was comforting.

Many of the English students are Koreans; they'll ruin anyone's English.

[Hutsori]

OK guys see if you can help me out with this one if you are interested and on DIA. Go to Hanna8888. She is in Dumaguete. 28 whyear old In her first DIA photo she was gorgeous but the one she has up there now she looks like a ladyboy? She changed it after she gave me her phone # (if she is really a she)! Opinions, please, after you look at the photo. Thanks. I swear she was much prettier in the first photo. Why not skype or video chat with her to further investigate?

[FreebieFan]

Chatting with a girl I know. She's 19, and has an auntie in US.

Auntie is pregnant and clearly looking to get some cheap home help on the side and has asked this girl if she can "adopt her" so that she can bring her to the US.

Yes, I duly advised said 19 year old that there was a little more to the process than just her auntie expressing an interest in this.

Today I get a message from another lady I've known since last year who just turned 20, asking me if I could "adopt her" as she doesn't like her new job.

Whilst I fully understand the meaning of this word in a western context, I'm not so familiar with it in a Filipina contact.

I'm most certainly not adopting anyone, whatever the meaning, but just wondering what the resident expats, those who know and live in the Philippines know of meaning / usage behind this word.

[Red Kilt]

. . . . < SNIP > .

Whilst I fully understand the meaning of this word in a western context, I'm not so familiar with it in a Filipina contact.

I'm most certainly not adopting anyone, whatever the meaning, but just wondering what the resident expats, those who know and live in the Philippines know of meaning / usage behind this word. I suspect it is a somewhat rhetorical question FF but I will answer it seriously anyway.

It seems like a mis-used concept in the Philippines to us "westerners" who use the word in a more literal way.

In the Philippines context it means shelter; take care of; feed and generally act as a guardian.

I know many many families (my own included) who have "adopted" children of sisters, cousins or even close friends for various periods of time ranging from 6 months through to 2 or 3 years while the parent is working overseas and even to adopting children whose parent (s) have died.

Rarely do they mean "adopted" in terms of filling up the necessary paperwork and doing it through the legal system. They just mean taking over and assuming responsibility for the needs of the adoptee.

Some friends (Australian couple) who have adopted 2 little 3 year old flipina orphan girls told me the initial stages of the legal process were agonising and took so long but once the girls were validated as genuine orphans then it proceeded quite smoothly.

[GoodEnough]

Chatting with a girl I know. She's 19, and has an auntie in US.

Auntie is pregnant and clearly looking to get some cheap home help on the side and has asked this girl if she can "adopt her" so that she can bring her to the US.

Yes, I duly advised said 19 year old that there was a little more to the process than just her auntie expressing an interest in this.

Today I get a message from another lady I've known since last year who just turned 20, asking me if I could "adopt her" as she doesn't like her new job.

Whilst I fully understand the meaning of this word in a western context, I'm not so familiar with it in a Filipina contact.

I'm most certainly not adopting anyone, whatever the meaning, but just wondering what the resident expats, those who know and live in the Philippines know of meaning / usage behind this word. RK is of course correct; better to "adopt" a more Filipino attitude toward the subject.

[Red Kilt]

Why not skype or video chat with her to further investigate?Didn't you know that DCups is technologically challenged Huts. Skype or video is way beyond his level of expertise.

[FreebieFan]

I suspect it is a somewhat rhetorical question FF but I will answer it seriously anyway.

It seems like a mis-used concept in the Philippines to us "westerners" who use the word in a more literal way.

In the Philippines context it means shelter; take care of; feed and generally act as a guardian.

I know many many families (my own included) who have "adopted" children of sisters, cousins or even close friends for various periods of time ranging from 6 months through to 2 or 3 years while the parent is working overseas and even to adopting children whose parent (s) have died.

Rarely do they mean "adopted" in terms of filling up the necessary paperwork and doing it through the legal system. They just mean taking over and assuming responsibility for the needs of the adoptee.

Some friends (Australian couple) who have adopted 2 little 3 year old flipina orphan girls told me the initial stages of the legal process were agonising and took so long but once the girls were validated as genuine orphans then it proceeded quite smoothly. Thanks RK.

Yes, our western mindset gets in the way sometimes as we always assume theirs a logical path to this, with precedence and rules processes and systems.

How you described it, is as I thought it was. A shelter and care situation without Western Union involvement.

Sometimes, as was stated on another post, its way easier to ask those who know, than those who think they know.

[Sammon]

Thanks, AV. I have decided not to meet her / him / it opting instead for a more obvious well endowed (in the boobs) semi chubby duma girl.

. Sometimes it works in a strange way. I had a Bakla posing as a girl on DIA (Unknown to me at that time). Once I arrived in Manila I text him? He texted me back saying he will be in my room in half hour. Knock on the door and when I opened this very pretty girl is standing there. I told her she does not look like the DIA pic. She replied saying it was an old pic. She was total GFE and we clicked very good in sex. I kept her for about 4 days. In fact I still see her. She is a nurse now.

Later on questioning she told me that the bakla is a good friend of hers and she wanted some tuition money and bakla put somebody's pic on DIA.

She was really shy and Bakla or her never demanded money. However I took care of her.

So do not write off baklas. They are friends with some really nice girls.

[D Cups]

Ya, I'll learn it / get it when needed. I already spend too much time on the fucking computers for work.


Didn't you know that DCups is technologically challenged Huts. Skype or video is way beyond his level of expertise. .

[D Cups]

So do not write off baklas. They are friends with some really nice girls. OK, thanks, Sam.

[Amavida]

Sometimes it works in a strange way. I had a Bakla posing as a girl on DIA (Unknown to me at that time). Once I arrived in Manila I text him? He texted me back saying he will be in my room in half hour. Knock on the door and when I opened this very pretty girl is standing there. I told her she does not look like the DIA pic. She replied saying it was an old pic. She was total GFE and we clicked very good in sex. I kept her for about 4 days. In fact I still see her. She is a nurse now.

Later on questioning she told me that the bakla is a good friend of hers and she wanted some tuition money and bakla put somebody's pic on DIA.

She was really shy and Bakla or her never demanded money. However I took care of her.

So do not write off baklas. They are friends with some really nice girls.In my experience this is not at all uncommon for bakla's to handle the drudge work of online profiles for straight girls in exchange for some sort of compensation from the girls. Many girls have a bakla in their social circle and are tight with them. Lesson: be polite to bakla's, they are your friend hehehe.

AV.

[TheDude865]

To quote Jack Nicholson's character in A Few Good Men "The truth? You can't handle the truth"! Frankly I have never met a woman that handles the truth very well. Maybe it is just me.I always use the "My hearts been broken too much, it's hard for me to trust for a relationship. " Most often the girl, professional or not, always give in and accept I'm only available for physical relationships. That's my best truth to say to the clinging pinay.

TheDude.

[Amavida]

I always use the "My hearts been broken too much, it's hard for me to trust for a relationship. " Most often the girl, professional or not, always give in and accept I'm only available for physical relationships. That's my best truth to say to the clinging pinay.You're spot on man. Tell them a sob story that makes it ok to shag without guilt. Works like a charm.

AV.

[Radical Guy]

I've had three situations when a young 19-20 year old virgin swears up and down that she will not have sex before marriage, then wants me to meet the family. I meet the family, then proceed to go to my hotel alone. It seems that the family encourages the girl to come to the hotel and stay with me, and she gives her virginity with no promises on my part. Presumably, the family gives their blessing on the chance that I might decide to make it a permanent relationship, and also because they know that if I am in the hotel alone, I will find another girl for "satisfaction."

In the last of these situations, their plan may have worked. I am totally enamoured with her! .

RG.

[Asian Rain]

Presumably, the family gives their blessing on the chance that I might decide to make it a permanent relationshipOr perhaps the family knows that if this guy isn't hooked, they can always give their blessing for their virgin daughter to sleep with the next foreigner. Enjoy the Philippines, AsianRain.

[Sammon]

I've had three situations when a young 19-20 year old virgin swears up and down that she will not have sex before marriage, then wants me to meet the family. I meet the family, then proceed to go to my hotel alone. It seems that the family encourages the girl to come to the hotel and stay with me, and she gives her virginity with no promises on my part. Presumably, the family gives their blessing on the chance that I might decide to make it a permanent relationship, and also because they know that if I am in the hotel alone, I will find another girl for "satisfaction."

In the last of these situations, their plan may have worked. I am totally enamoured with her! .

RG.Reminds me a situation I had before. This girl "Virgin" said the same thing. Meet my family and after that I can stay with you. How about your Virginity? I asked.

She said she is free to do whatever she want. Then why should I meet your family? I asked.

Well, My mother needs to check you out and make sure you are a decent man.

I politely declined to get involved in all this drama. Who knows if she is really truly a Virgin?

[Pinaypounder]

Radical Guy.

I have to assume you are at least 40 likely more Radical Guy! WTF are you thinking? A 19 year old, technically an adult yes, mentally probably equal to a 15 year old here or less, great body but? There are a million (or two) 27 years olds with the same body some skills and some street smarts why mess with a 19 year old?

I would never travel down the Virgin path for several reasons.

1. They are obviously no good in bed, stupid me I thought that was the point.

2. They are tight enough at 35 after 3 kids because they are only 90 lbs, to tight to often I am not sure I could get my dick in a virgin.

3. THEY ARE FING VIRGINS for a good reason. Leave them be! Sooner or later she will realize your just an asshole and that she was used, tricked maniipulated or worse (I HOPE NOT), I know we all have "superior minds" but I don't fuck with Virgins.

4. What the hell do you talk about with a 19 year old Virgin.

5. How can you sit in the house with their family?

6. K A are M A! Who really needs Cancer of the balls.

Now of course if you are under the age of 24 then I take it all back and your just a young man in love.

Yep I am judging!

Fuck women that enjoy fucking and pay them to have orgasms, that is good karma.

PP.

[WestCoast1]

I have to assume you are at least 40 likely more Radical Guy! WTF are you thinking? A 19 year old, technically an adult yes, mentally probably equal to a 15 year old here or less, great body but? There are a million (or two) 27 years olds with the same body some skills and some street smarts why mess with a 19 year old?
The virgin thing is also not for me, however the 19 thing can be at times. These are sometimes inexperienced girls, extremely inquisitive, discovering passions for the first time. One of the girls pictured here was young at the time, and wanted to experience sex standing up. "My dream to it. " So whilst she was riding cowgirl I held her close to me and stood up from the bed and walked her over to the wall, while still inside her. Fucking her folded in half, with her back against the wall and her knees up over my shoulders, I slowly started playing with her asshole, and worked a finger in. Her eyes got huge for a minute but she didn't balk. Later, talking about it: "Udder dream to me. In my ass. I seen that porn. " Would you like me fuck your ass sometime hun? "Yes. My udder dream. ".

Making a good dog bust its leash can be sooooooo fun.

[Radical Guy]

Radical Guy.

I have to assume you are at least 40 likely more Radical Guy! WTF are you thinking? A 19 year old, technically an adult yes, mentally probably equal to a 15 year old here or less, great body but? There are a million (or two) 27 years olds with the same body some skills and some street smarts why mess with a 19 year old?

I would never travel down the Virgin path for several reasons.

1. They are obviously no good in bed, stupid me I thought that was the point.

2. They are tight enough at 35 after 3 kids because they are only 90 lbs, to tight to often I am not sure I could get my dick in a virgin.

3. THEY ARE FING VIRGINS for a good reason. Leave them be! Sooner or later she will realize your just an asshole and that she was used, tricked maniipulated or worse (I HOPE NOT), I know we all have "superior minds" but I don't fuck with Virgins.

4. What the hell do you talk about with a 19 year old Virgin.

5. How can you sit in the house with their family?

6. K A are M A! Who really needs Cancer of the balls.

Now of course if you are under the age of 24 then I take it all back and your just a young man in love.

Yep I am judging!

Fuck women that enjoy fucking and pay them to have orgasms, that is good karma.

PP.Well, truth be told, I am not going to marry anyone, but it would be nice to have that chick as a regular. As for the virginity thing, of course virginis are not experienced in bed, by definition, but for me, there is something really exciting and arousing about watching a girl's face as her pussy is being penetrated for the first time. I can't explain it, but when I am balls deep in a virgin for the first time, there is an inexplicable sense of conquest that is beyond words. Yes, the tightness is awesome, but it's much more than that. Also, when I go down on a virgin for the first time, I just love the way they say, "What are you doing? You want to do what?" And then tasting her virgin juices, and savoring her virgin aroma, as she is experiencing sensations she never felt before. Okay, I admit it. I'm a total perv! But on the flipside, I have no problem with being very generous.

RG.

[Amavida]

Reminds me a situation I had before. This girl "Virgin" said the same thing. Meet my family and after that I can stay with you. How about your Virginity? I asked.

She said she is free to do whatever she want. Then why should I meet your family? I asked.

Well, My mother needs to check you out and make sure you are a decent man.

I politely declined to get involved in all this drama. Who knows if she is really truly a Virgin?I've never been a 'virgin hunter' but like you I have been ensnared in these situations. The younger the girl you're meeting the more likely you are encounter it. These girls are too young to have a clear idea in their own minds what they are on about. The swirling vortex in their heads is along the lines of 1) Trying to fulfill good girl role by trotting you out to the family as potential husband. 2) Sexually adventurous / curious. 3) Raging hormones / horny 4) Already missed a period courtesy of local bf & needs to blame it on rich foreigner (money for abortion needed urgently).

Against my better judgement I let my little brain take over to do a virgin & regretted it. Not worth the physical / emotional / financial stress. I just tell them you might think its a good idea now but you'll regret it the rest of your life so thanks but no thanks, find a guy you love to be your first. Now if you're a psychopath who enjoys dominating / hurting young women then please be my guest.

AV.

[LukeSkywalker]

I met a few girls in Asia who claim they were virgins. They are usually uglier than average. They cannot sell their hopeless lack of beauty, so they try to sell their virginities.

These alleged "virgins" are almost always the worst lying sluts on the continent, trying to snare a rich and naive foreign husbands.

If you inquire among local guys, many would quickly tell you how times, and in how many perverse ways, they have stuck their dicks into the alleged virgins' pussies, mouths, asses. If their navels, their noses and ears were wide and deep enough, they would probably not remain unstuck for long. Hehe.

I am sick of these stupid, lying girls with their solemn claims of their FUCKING VIRGINITIES!

[Amavida]

I met a few girls in Asia who claim they were virgins. They are usually uglier than average. They cannot sell their hopeless lack of beauty, so they try to sell their virginities.

These alleged "virgins" are almost always the worst lying sluts on the continent, trying to snare a rich and naive foreign husbands.

If you inquire among local guys, many would quickly tell you how times, and in how many perverse ways, they have stuck their dicks into the alleged virgins' pussies, mouths, asses. If their navels, their noses and ears were wide and deep enough, they would probably not remain unstuck for long. Hehe.

I am sick of these stupid, lying girls with their solemn claims of their FUCKING VIRGINITIES!Phew! Another hate filled venomous rant. That's got to' be a record somewhere. If you're a millionaire playboy with movie star looks then go to Macau & [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) your money away on the Hi So models there instead of looking down your nose at everyone here & complaining about everyone & everything.

P.S. Most guys know that virgins cover a spectrum from doe eyed complete innocents waiting to be road kill to the total bastards of this world, through to the out & out scammers with many 'technical virgins' in between who are too inexperienced / immature to have a clue what they are on about.

AV.

[GoodEnough]

Phew! Another hate filled venomous rant. That's got to' be a record somewhere. If you're a millionaire playboy with movie star looks then go to Macau & [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) your money away on the Hi So models there instead of looking down your nose at everyone here & complaining about everyone & everything.
AV.AV, if you live in Angeles, I'd like to buy you a drink the next time I get to ABC. You articulated something I've wondered about: how can anyone who retains a high level of anger all of the time survive here, much less be happy with his life?

GE.

[X Man]

This guy has been pretty much ignored for a long time. I politely request you do the same.


Phew! Another hate filled venomous rant. That's got to' be a record somewhere. If you're a millionaire playboy with movie star looks then go to Macau & [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) your money away on the Hi So models there instead of looking down your nose at everyone here & complaining about everyone & everything.

P.S. Most guys know that virgins cover a spectrum from doe eyed complete innocents waiting to be road kill to the total bastards of this world, through to the out & out scammers with many 'technical virgins' in between who are too inexperienced / immature to have a clue what they are on about.

AV.

[Amavida]

This guy has been pretty much ignored for a long time. I politely request you do the same.Agreed.

AV.

[LukeSkywalker]

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[Ikksman]

Although a relative newbie here, I have RTFF (and I have lived in Manila on 2 occasions).

The senior posters here have done a remarkable job in self censorship on the PI threads. They have largely managed to constrain or remove the adolescent behaviour, foul language, serial antagonists, BS and hate campaigners over the years.

There are some classic posts. One in particular (by Red Kilt, I think), was quite recent, and a model in restrained politeness: "Experienced visitors and residents like me know that many of your comments are just plain silly".

Anyway, congratulations guys, and I hope your success continues.

Cheers.

[Amavida]

AV, if you live in Angeles, I'd like to buy you a drink the next time I get to ABC. You articulated something I've wondered about: how can anyone who retains a high level of anger all of the time survive here, much less be happy with his life?

GE.Drinks are on me next time you're in town GE.

Cheers mate.

AV.

[Slippery]

Drinks are on me next time you're in town GE.

Cheers mate.

AV.Whaddabout me? I was maybe coming up this weekend from Manila. Haven't been up that way in about 6 months and don't really believe what I'm hearing so thought I'd TOFFT.

[Amavida]

Whaddabout me? I was maybe coming up this weekend from Manila. Haven't been up that way in about 6 months and don't really believe what I'm hearing so thought I'd TOFFT.G'day Slippery. I fucked up my knee Saturday, just rolled home from the Orthopedic surgery tonight. I may be able to make it out for a drink by the weekend. Happy to catch up with you if I can. Let's see. Meanwhile I home delivery pinay for a few days LOL! Pm me for my digits.

Cheers.

AV.

[Slippery]

G'day Slippery. I fucked up my knee Saturday, just rolled home from the Orthopedic surgery tonight. I may be able to make it out for a drink by the weekend. Happy to catch up with you if I can. Let's see. Meanwhile I home delivery pinay for a few days LOL! Pm me for my digits.

Cheers.

AV.Best wishes for a rapid recovery. Get well soon.

[Red Kilt]

Just a reminder to all here that the Philippines has a law regarding adultery.

There was a much publicized celebrity case here a couple of years ago.

There was an interesting article about this in the press recently.

Viz:

https://anc.yahoo.com/news/nbi-reveals-increase-in-adultery-cases-filed-due-to-telenovela-074330092.html

Whilst I cannot imagine the poorer members of society trying to implement this law to chase after you, those who boast about only targeting the educated members of society might well be cautious that scammers occur within their ranks too. Be somewhat wary that a husband and wife are not conniving to relieve you of some cash by threatening to invoke this law. Be especially wary of the filipina who says her husband allows her to meet other men, or that they have an "open marriage".

[Cbea20]

The below is a fair warning. If in doubt, you can ask the lady to supply a "certificate of no marriage", available from the National Bureau of Statistics. Never mind possible lawsuits, I don't want any married woman in any case, even if separated. I rely on Facebook. Anyone who denies having a page, especially a woman of means, is immediately rejected. And it should be a real Facebook page, with normal activity, friends lists, etc. --not a list of friends who are all foreign men! If her Facebook says she is single, then you have a valid defence to adultery--that you were unaware. If in doubt, download and save her page. Get her to say in writing that she is single.

I found one attractive girl's real Facebook when she carelessly gave a second YM address on her dateinasia profile, which lead to it. She was not a student, as she said, but was supporting her student husband.


Just a reminder to all here that the Philippines has a law regarding adultery.

There was a much publicized celebrity case here a couple of years ago.

There was an interesting article about this in the press recently.

Viz:

https://anc.yahoo.com/news/nbi-reveals-increase-in-adultery-cases-filed-due-to-telenovela-074330092.html

Whilst I cannot imagine the poorer members of society trying to implement this law to chase after you, those who boast about only targeting the educated members of society might well be cautious that scammers occur within their ranks too. Be somewhat wary that a husband and wife are not conniving to relieve you of some cash by threatening to invoke this law. Be especially wary of the filipina who says her husband allows her to meet other men, or that they have an "open marriage".

[Amavida]

The below is a fair warning. If in doubt, you can ask the lady to supply a "certificate of no marriage", available from the National Bureau of Statistics. Never mind possible lawsuits, I don't want any married woman in any case, even if separated. I rely on Facebook. Anyone who denies having a page, especially a woman of means, is immediately rejected. And it should be a real Facebook page, with normal activity, friends lists, etc. --not a list of friends who are all foreign men! If her Facebook says she is single, then you have a valid defence to adultery--that you were unaware. If in doubt, download and save her page. Get her to say in writing that she is single.

I found one attractive girl's real Facebook when she carelessly gave a second YM address on her dateinasia profile, which lead to it. She was not a student, as she said, but was supporting her student husband.A valid concern. This place is hypocrisy central. Doing a little online detective work is prudent. I've found FB gives them away frequently. I agree with you on this. In any country I don't get involved in the open marriage thing. Its too creepy & insincere for me. Going to the NBS is a bit of a passion killer don't you think? LOL!

AV.

[LOLWTFBBGirl]

If you're just visiting, what does it matter about the adultery stuff?

I mean you'd have to be unlucky to get caught doing "adultery" if you're there for a week.

[Pip Jaeger]

Just a reminder to all here that the Philippines has a law regarding adultery.




In any country I don't get involved in the open marriage thing. Its too creepy & insincere for me. It's not just the legal side that concerns me or needs to be taken into consideration, I'd be just as worried about being set up for a scam. That alone is enough for me to shy away from messing with married ladies; either with or without hubby's knowledge of her cheating ways.

[Slippery]

There are no legal defenses to anything in this country for a foreigner unless very well connected. Next best thing is a briefcase full of cash.

[Cbea20]

You have some experience along these lines, Slip? Or you just blowing smoke?


There are no legal defenses to anything in this country for a foreigner unless very well connected. Next best thing is a briefcase full of cash.I remember now, it's called a CENOMAR, "certificate of no marriage". You need it to get married. So yes, to the extent that marriage is a libido-killer.

[Amavida]

You have some experience along these lines, Slip? Or you just blowing smoke?

I remember now, it's called a CENOMAR, "certificate of no marriage". You need it to get married. So yes, to the extent that marriage is a libido-killer.Correct, CENOMAR is for Filipinos. For Australians Certificate of no impediment is needed. Look if you live here the best advice is to never get into legal trouble. The judicial 'system' is utterly corrupt. Filipinos are always favored to win. End of story. I frankly doubt that money or connections would save you unless you have been here a very long time & had worked assiduously to garner many many connections. Even then I'm sceptical based on observation.

AV.

[Pinaypounder]

It's not just the legal side that concerns me or needs to be taken into consideration, I'd be just as worried about being set up for a scam. That alone is enough for me to shy away from messing with married ladies; either with or without hubby's knowledge of her cheating ways.I am on the other side of that fence.

As we all know ALL pinoy cheat and most white guys married to Pinay cheat also. I have had sex with many married pinays married to both kinds. Some have not had sex for yearsssssssss and they are not going to bug you and they all know the men are fucking around. Payback is a *****,.

Again I hang out with more cerebral types and what is good for the goose is routinely found at the end of my cock.

Also 3/4 of my freebies are engaged or have BF! Most pinay simply can not be trusted once they have fucked a man that can actually fuck. Because most men there simply do not deliver the mail. They are by far the easiest, horniest, tightest women in the world I have had a few here in the homeland, usually on the first date. Got a local Chinese girl lined up here this week I am curious how that will go, she is cute but I don't really like their mindset!

PP.

[GoodEnough]

Correct, CENOMAR is for Filipinos. For Australians Certificate of no impediment is needed. Look if you live here the best advice is to never get into legal trouble. The judicial 'system' is utterly corrupt. Filipinos are always favored to win. End of story. I frankly doubt that money or connections would save you unless you have been here a very long time & had worked assiduously to garner many many connections. Even then I'm sceptical based on observation.

AV.Amavida is, in my opinion correct. There's very little chance, given a confrontation with the legal system, that a foreigner can win. Not only is the system thoroughly corrupt, but it's horrifically convoluted and inefficient, offering, as with so many aspects of society here, the appearance of impartial judgment. Anyone staying here for the longer term realizes that the best way to survive is to fly well under the radar, to remain non confrontational, and to accept that you've got no rights.

GE.

[Roll Aides]

Howdy all,

I was just RTFF and I'm not going to quote the posts that prompted me to make this one because they were from like 2012, but I thought it might be helpful to share some experiences that could save some others grief / stress in the future, based on what has happened to me here in the land of no condoms. Also, I realize that this is primarily a mongering site, and this experience is more to do with GF's but for all of us that have been here more than a few months, we know that Filipinas do not like or want rubber sheaths for the most part, and indeed seem to have little care for whether they become pregnant, for varying motives or reasons.

Anyway, The two thing I have to say are this:

1) Getting an abortion in this country is illegal. BUT. I will refer you to the following extremely awesome organization: Women on Waves.

2) As an American, I found it almost embarrassing that I did not know this, but for whatever reason apparently we in the USA Are very fucking ignorant in the contraception department, to wit: the best method by far, and used by millions in Asia, is an IUD. In the Phils getting one costs less than than 1000 pesos. The only caveat I ran into was that, the doctor would not do it unless the girl was on her menstruation at the time. (This is purely due to the anti-abortion laws here, there is no medical reason.).

Coming from Thailand, where the shower raincoat was de riguer, I was very surprised at the PH attitude towards safe sex. My very first bargirl here, told me it was her birthday, I said what do you want. She replied come inside me I want another baby. At. At The other night, I dropped sown to the local bar district and hooked up with a cutie in the back rooms. I brought condoms this time, and she was both surprised and fascinated. She said she had heard of them and wanted to stay safe, but had never seen one before. I bought them in the store next door to the bar. I left the remainder of the pack with her, at her request. I hope for her sake she uses them, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

IME, Filipinas are all about babies. Also, the birth control pills available in this country are horrible, you can't get a custom prescription and the weight gain, rash, bloating, nausua etc from them are quite common and not something I would wish on any girl, never mind the fact that she has to take them reliably for it to work.

Just some FYI.

[Chocha Monger]

it is true that filipinas hate condoms and love raw nasty sex. guys who arrive in the philippines with sincere intentions to use condoms in each and every sexual encounter eventually find their resolve weakened if not crushed. filipinas will beg, whine and plead for some good old fashioned raw sausage complete with an injection of cream filling. foreigners are perplexed by this seemingly blas attitude filipinas have to being impregnated by complete strangers during casual sexual encounters. unlike western women who choose their impregnator based on his ability to pay a sizeable amount of child support for two decades, filipinas choose the father of their children based on genetics. desirable traits like intelligence, a long snout, eye color, height, a huge penis, etc. can result in filipina begging for your sperms.

"give me baby" is a request heard regularly by foreigners visiting or residing in the philippines. many guys acquiesce and add their genes to the philippine gene pool siring a number of offspring. filipinas are happy to be knocked up by foreigners even when financial support is not forthcoming. the craving for sperm diversity may confound the casual observer but a closer look at local communities provides some understanding of this phenomenon. a visitor to a typical provincial village would soon discover that most of the residents are related to each other. filipino men not wishing to shag their cousins must often visit other villages to find girlfriends or wives. **** is a common problem in the provinces. this may be part of the reason why filipinas prize impregnation by a foreigner. it brings fresh genes into the community and possibly discourages **** ambitions from relatives.

iuds may be an effective form of contraception but filipinas look on any form of contraception with deep suspicion. so, good luck trying to get them to go to a doctor and have some medieval looking hardware installed in their snatch. the religious zealots have done a good job of convincing women that contraception will harm their health and render them permanently barren. as for condoms, you would not have a problem using them to root bar girls but expect them to complain that it hurts their pussy and they don't fancy them. girlfriends are a different matter. they expect you to ride them bareback and cum in their snatch, to do otherwise would be considered an insult and any feelings of affection you express to them will be considered insincere. all you can do is be open to breeding them if you want to keep that loving feeling. you can try to fool them with a vasectomy but after a year or two of frequent sex the girls will start thinking that your dick is too weak to knock them up and they will get a man with intact stones to breed them on the side.

what about stds? if you're riding dirty with multiple sex partners you will catch them eventually. you can't ride the lighting and remain unrep001hed. i know mongers who caught their first dose of gonorrhea on their very first trip to the philippines from the very first girl they screwed and went home with a dick dripping custard as a souvenir. others have a dirty dick but they're asymptomatic and don't even know they're carrying diseases and spreading them around. then there are the lucky ones who haven't run into some sick pussy yet. in the end you pay your money and take your chances. filipinas have some cute euphemisms for stds though, i remember one saying, "my boyfriend gave me fever in my poosay. "

[WestCoast1]

i'm popping this cultural item in the rod.

several parts had me in either agreeing or in stitches:


snip guys who arrive in the philippines with sincere intentions to use condoms in each and every sexual encounter eventually find their resolve weakened if not crushed. filipinas will beg, whine and plead for some good old fashioned raw sausage complete with an injection of cream filling. foreigners are perplexed by this seemingly blas attitude filipinas have to being impregnated by complete strangers during casual sexual encounters.western women are fairly familiar with porn, and will often go down on my early in a session. the cocksucking seems to be a kind of foreplay. with many pinay however, they skip it and get me rock hard with some kissing, then tend to pull my shoulders till i'm on top and entering her. they are just fine with just the shag, and she doesn't care how long it lasts or if she gets off. one might conclude that she's just interested in the baby goo.


"give me baby" is a request heard regularly by foreigners visiting or residing in the philippines.have heard this at least a dozen times (along with "i want you eyes" including girls who were not my gf who whispered it into my left ear, while she was aware that my actual girlfriend was sitting just to my right.


so, good luck trying to get them to go to a doctor and have some medieval looking hardware installed in their snatch. getting my white wanker in there is easy. hardware not so much.


what about stds? snip! you can't ride the lighting and remain unrep001hed. i know mongers who caught their first dose of gonorrhea on their very first trip to the philippines from the very first girl they screwed and went home with a dick dripping custard as a souvenir.hahaha killing me!

unfortunately some newb will read this and later report that he went to manila and didn't find girls dying for his goo.

[Lou32]

it is true that filipinas hate condoms and love raw nasty sex. guys who arrive in the philippines with sincere intentions to use condoms in each and every sexual encounter eventually find their resolve weakened if not crushed. filipinas will beg, whine and plead for some good old fashioned raw sausage complete with an injection of cream filling. foreigners are perplexed by this seemingly blas attitude filipinas have to being impregnated by complete strangers during casual sexual encounters. unlike western women who choose their impregnator based on his ability to pay a sizeable amount of child support for two decades, filipinas choose the father of their children based on genetics. desirable traits like intelligence, a long snout, eye color, height, a huge penis, etc. can result in filipina begging for your sperms.

"give me baby" is a request heard regularly by foreigners visiting or residing in the philippines. many guys acquiesce and add their genes to the philippine gene pool siring a number of offspring. filipinas are happy to be knocked up by foreigners even when financial support is not forthcoming. the craving for sperm diversity may confound the casual observer but a closer look at local communities provides some understanding of this phenomenon. a visitor to a typical provincial village would soon discover that most of the residents are related to each other. filipino men not wishing to shag their cousins must often visit other villages to find girlfriends or wives. [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) is a common problem in the provinces. this may be part of the reason why filipinas prize impregnation by a foreigner. it brings fresh genes into the community and possibly discourages [CodeWord130] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord130) ambitions from relatives...quick question:

i know that white skin is highly valued by pinays who may seek pregnancy by a foriegner.

can i safely assume that those of us with darker skin won't be sought after for their sperm since they don't want dark skinned babies?

[Econo Tech]

Quick question:

I know that white skin is highly valued by Pinays who may seek pregnancy by a foriegner.

Can I safely assume that those of us with darker skin won't be sought after for their sperm since they don't want dark skinned babies?Some women want exotic looks for their offsprings.

Saw a kid with Afro hair in a bontoc village. The mother had got pregnant in China while working as a teacher. But till date refuses to tell who the father is.

Darker skins aren't so sought after vs fair skins, but pinays are adventurous and that means they will pull all the tricks in their bag to weaken your resolve and make you go bare back.

Just play as a nice gentleman and you will be rewarded.

P.S. Most mothers who have fairer offsprings have another agenda. Fairer skin = child can be an artista = be the talk of the town in the future + proven ticket to get rich. See how many artistas have European surnames. Curtis, Eigmann, Gudicelli.

[Econo Tech]

Quick question:

I know that white skin is highly valued by Pinays who may seek pregnancy by a foriegner.

Can I safely assume that those of us with darker skin won't be sought after for their sperm since they don't want dark skinned babies?Some women want exotic looks for their offsprings.

Saw a kid with Afro hair in a bontoc village. The mother had got pregnant in China while working as a teacher. But till date refuses to tell who the father is.

Darker skins aren't so sought after vs fair skins, but pinays are adventurous and that means they will pull all the tricks in their bag to weaken your resolve and make you go bare back.

Just play as a nice gentleman and you will be rewarded.

P.S. Most mothers who have fairer offsprings have another agenda. Fairer skin = child can be an artista = be the talk of the town in the future + proven ticket to get rich. See how many artistas have European surnames. Curtis, Eigmann, Gudicelli.

[JordanSigley]

Greeting from down under!

I will be heading over to the Philippines for work, not having been there I don't know the georgraphic side of the Philippines.

Apparently we will be staying in an area called Clark, which appears to be near the Angeles city.

Would there be any actions in the Clark area? As in should I expect outcall to hotel?

I'm looking forward to the trip and hopefully someone could shed some light on this.

I will be delighted to give after reports afterwards!

Thanks in advance,

Jordie

[D Cups]

Angeles city.Jordie, read the Angeles City thread.

[Redman69]

Olangapo city is outside subic. There is plenty of action there and a thread about it. Also there are some beach bars in subic that are good hunting grounds. Angeles city is clark. Just get outside the gate. Read the threads. 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. For a break go to the beach in subic. Take some work mates with you. And have some of both. In Angeles city it is wide open. How not to have work mates involved will be easy. Stay in a different hotel. That simple.

[Roll Aides]

Hilarious, and highly accurate. As I said, my advice was more geared towards the GFs or other situations where offspring could be a major inconvenience. If had I known then what I know now, it would have saved me a lot of money and stress. The only point I would beg to differ on is, whilst Filipinas balk at contraception, if one tells a regular girl / sponsoree / whatever "my way or the highway," they tend to come around.

In any event, IUD removal is simple and inexpensive if they don't want it later, and Women on Waves really delivers in a crunch.


It is true that Filipinas hate condoms and love raw nasty sex. Guys who arrive in the Philippines with sincere intentions to use condoms in each and every sexual encounter eventually find their resolve weakened if not crushed. Filipinas will beg, whine and plead for some good old fashioned raw sausage complete with an injection of cream filling. Foreigners are perplexed by this seemingly blas attitude Filipinas have to being impregnated by complete strangers during casual sexual encounters. Unlike Western women who choose their impregnator based on his ability to pay a sizeable amount of child support for two decades, Filipinas choose the father of their children based on genetics. Desirable traits like intelligence, a long snout, eye color, height, a huge penis, etc. Can result in Filipina begging for your sperms.

"Give me baby" is a request heard regularly by foreigners visiting or residing in the Philippines. Many guys acquiesce and add their genes to the Philippine gene pool siring a number of offspring. Filipinas are happy to be knocked up by foreigners even when financial support is not forthcoming...

[Radical Guy]

Hilarious, and highly accurate. As I said, my advice was more geared towards the GFs or other situations where offspring could be a major inconvenience. If had I known then what I know now, it would have saved me a lot of money and stress. The only point I would beg to differ on is, whilst Filipinas balk at contraception, if one tells a regular girl / sponsoree / whatever "my way or the highway," they tend to come around.

In any event, IUD removal is simple and inexpensive if they don't want it later, and Women on Waves really delivers in a crunch.I hate condoms also, which is why I avoid P4P girls and stick to students and other non-pros. Yes, there is still a risk, but a calculated one. Besides, life is a risk, right?

I have never had a girl ask me to use a condom, and I never mention the fact that I had a vasectomy, unless a girl seems worried about pregnancy (very rare, I agree!). If I can get extra points for the girl believing that I ejaculate potent seed, then all the better! LOL.

RG.

[Amavida]

Greeting from down under!

I will be heading over to the Philippines for work, not having been there I don't know the georgraphic side of the Philippines.

Apparently we will be staying in an area called Clark, which appears to be near the Angeles city.

Would there be any actions in the Clark area? As in should I expect outcall to hotel?

I'm looking forward to the trip and hopefully someone could shed some light on this.

I will be delighted to give after reports afterwards!

Thanks in advance,

JordieMate you needed to do a little more homework before making bookings. Accommodation in Clark is about 14 km's return trip from AC / Balibago. No trikes in Clark. There are jeeps in the day time which are cheap but you need help of a local initially to figure out which is going where. At night your only realistic option is a private taxi (no public taxi's come here) at about P400 - P500 each way. Be prepared for high spending on transport unless you own a car. Renting a car is not cheap & parking can be hard to find.

Driving here is possible if you're adaptable & have nerves of steel. Make sure to have insurance!

The P4 P is all far away in Balibago. If you live in an expensive Condo in Clark the girls will fall over themselves to come with you but its your burden to pay their transport home next day. Most are single mothers paying a baby sitter until 6 am so expect early departure around 5 or 5. 30 am. Don't quarrel them, they truly need to go.

If you're here only a week or two better to book a hotel in Balibago. If longer you can rent a clean safe 'up and down' for P5000 per month.

AV.

[Amavida]

Hilarious, and highly accurate. As I said, my advice was more geared towards the GFs or other situations where offspring could be a major inconvenience. If had I known then what I know now, it would have saved me a lot of money and stress. The only point I would beg to differ on is, whilst Filipinas balk at contraception, if one tells a regular girl / sponsoree / whatever "my way or the highway," they tend to come around.

In any event, IUD removal is simple and inexpensive if they don't want it later, and Women on Waves really delivers in a crunch.I have lots of lovely gf's. They all listen attentively about how 'lady pills' work & very quick to go buy them & use them. I have met very few who are irresponsible or asking fatherless children. Even AC bar girls are moving to condom insistence.

I guess it depends on where you buy your meat. I must be shopping at a classier buthcher?

AV.

[Sammon]

I have lots of lovely gf's. They all listen attentively about how 'lady pills' work & very quick to go buy them & use them. I have met very few who are irresponsible or asking fatherless children. Even AC bar girls are moving to condom insistence.

I guess it depends on where you buy your meat. I must be shopping at a classier buthcher?

AV.There are different types of girls. Some who think their life is not complete till they have a child. Very few in Phi wait till they are 28 years old to have a child.

Partly it is because the whole family expects it. Abandoned father, nameless father, unknown father it does not matter. Phi people love children. Most of the ladies I met do not like to take pills. They think it does harm to their bodies. However I have convinced couple of girls who stay with me for a week at a time to go on the pill. These are young 18-19 year olds. Most 21-22 year old flatly refused pill or condom. These girls think I consider them dirty girls if I use condom.

[Roll Aides]

There are different types of girls. Some who think their life is not complete till they have a child. Very few in Phi wait till they are 28 years old to have a child.

Partly it is because the whole family expects it. Abandoned father, nameless father, unknown father it does not matter. Phi people love children. Most of the ladies I met do not like to take pills. They think it does harm to their bodies. However I have convinced couple of girls who stay with me for a week at a time to go on the pill. These are young 18-19 year olds. Most 21-22 year old flatly refused pill or condom. These girls think I consider them dirty girls if I use condom.I agree completely. Your mileage may vary depending on the girl. Obviously, as Amavida somewhat coarsely pointed out, education and social class can be be determinants, but in any event it's going to end up being a tug of war between emotions and reason. Filipinos LIKE babies. Reproduction is something of a national hobby. However, most girls are bright enough to realize if (another) kid will fuck up their life, if they think about it; that doesn't mean they don't WANT one. If reason wins out, an IUD is a great option because you can't forget to take your IUD. Also as I mentioned, the birth controls pills herewhich are available over the counter cheaply, by the wayare not the best, by which I mean that although effective, I wouldn't wish the common side effects on anyone I like.

Really, the main thing is the Filipina conviction that you consider her a dirty girl if you try to use a condom. Even some bargirls will get hurt ("I'm clean! I got tested every week! Whatever. The thing I like about IUDs is you can ride bareback with a girl who IS clean, she's happy, the little monger is happy, and foolproof contraception. Some women can find them slightly uncomfortable for the first a month or two; after that they don't even notice them.

I tend to go with older girls who know what they want, and are happy to jump at pregnancy-free sex, as long as it doesn't involve the dreaded rubber sheathes. I feel the same way, so that's cool. I also don't have any problem adding to the gene pool variety, as long as there's no chance that I'm going to be looked for as the daddy at some point. If a girl that's old enough to know better wants a "gwapo" mixed-race kid, and has no expectations, she's more than welcome to as much sperm as she can make use of. Bless their horny little. Umm. Hearts.

Frankly, if you are have a long term-girl that wants babies, and you don't, the reasonable move is to walk. I was not by any means condoning coercing contraception on anyone. On the other hand, if you make it clear to a girl that it's reliable contraception or bye-bye, she may suddenly "change her mind. " A lot of Filipina obstinance is purely seeing what they can get away with. My point was just that, it's a pretty good method, and it's reversible, which a vasectomy is not, and basically free from side effects, which the pill is definitely not.

Anyway, that's enough IUD evangelism from me. I just though it might help others, as I was totally clueless that such a thing even exists, before I moved here and found out how useful they are.

[Chocha Monger]

I checked out the Women on Waves website. Their method of putting the pregnant women on a Dutch flagged yacht and sailing them out past the 12 mile territorial limit for an abortion in international waters is an interesting way of circumventing anti-abortion laws. I did not see any abortion voyages listed on their website for the Philippines. Perhaps, the difficulty in getting Filipinas pass port controls is a factor. The navy and coastguard may be another. With the Philippines being a Vatican colony in all but name it is hard to imagine they would allow their female citizens to sail out to sea to kill babies. If the organization has a presence in the Philippines it must be well hidden.

[Roll Aides]

i checked out the women on waves website. their method of putting the pregnant women on a dutch flagged yacht and sailing them out past the 12 mile territorial limit for an abortion in international waters is an interesting way of circumventing anti-abortion laws. i did not see any abortion voyages listed on their website for the philippines. perhaps, the difficulty in getting filipinas pass port controls is a factor. the navy and coastguard may be another. with the philippines being a vatican colony in all but name it is hard to imagine they would allow their female citizens to sail out to sea to kill babies. if the organization has a presence in the philippines it must be well hidden.i think you might have missed something. the way it works, or at least as i have experienced, is they mail the pills necessary for a medical abortion, discretely, to an address where abortion is prohibited such as the philippines. the cost for is was around 5000 pesos, we got them within about a week via speed post from india.

overall i was very impressed by their level of professionalism, and the pre-screening and follow-up involved. obviously if you use this method you need to employ some intelligence. your girl will need to get an ultrasound first to make sure it is not an ectopic pregnancy (trivial, about 900 pesos.) etc. read the faq.

btw, this is not a method that can be used after the 9th week.

at the time, our options were to fly someplace else and have a standard surgical abortion (vastly, in fact, for me, bank-breakingly more expensive and hassle,) or women on waves. truly a lifesaver.

maybe they do the offshore cruise thing too, i don't know. it sounds a little involved to me.

if you use there service there is a.

[Hutsori]

It's often fortuitous when a girl uses your computer and doesn't log off - turn off your wifi in your place before she arrives so she's less likely to use her phone. A friend just broke up with her overseas boyfriend. She was hiding her social activities but got caught. What she was doing is using a dating site profile without any photos. She'd browse the guys and send them a message telling them that she was looking for a shag. They would then exchange emails with photos attached. Her boyfriend made a profile with another guy's photos and she contacted him. Surprise!

Anyway, I read some of their emails (the girl and bf) and found this excerpt revealing:

"I was just honest to you because you deserve honesty. This is the real me that I was hiding from you, . I was unfaithful since the first time I got a boyfriend until I dated you and become loyal, I love doing it to you because I can feel the love. . . But you were not here for a long time already this is the reality, girls are more horny than guys and once girls got use to having sex every other day we / I will going to find ways to look for it, I love doing it with you because I love you, but you are here satisfy my needs. . I've never been honest like this before thank you for letting me know myself better. . I am selfish, you cannot trust me with sex but I'm a good friend, I am silly, I am crazy but I know how to choose, I now know what I want and now know the real me. . I'm not the shy girl we both know. . I thought I'm a shy girl but I'm not, I'm confident and brave. . As you said I'm a smart girl. . Before I was doubting it but now I feel really I am. . I love you baby. Thank you for all. . I will miss you so much. You help a lot to improve myself. Yes your right, I don't deserve you, I don't deserve your trust."

A robust id there, eh? "You are here to satisfy my needs."

I like how the "honesty" only comes after she's been completely exposed. If you're going to be overseas, and expect your girl to be loyal (sheer folly, I think), you might want to verify whether she is. Tough to do though.

About year ago I met a Pinay who lives in Thailand with her Yank husband. He installed software on her mobile so he could track her location. She was on a home visit and passing through Manila for a couple of days. She couldn't come to my place because he'd know. Her solution: inviting guys to come to her hotel. D'oh! Seems the guy didn't get the right software, because there are programs that can be activated remotely such as turning on camera and microphone, capture all texts, etc.

[Manny51]

it is true that filipinas hate condoms and love raw nasty sex. guys who arrive in the philippines with sincere intentions to use condoms in each and every sexual encounter eventually find their resolve weakened if not crushed. filipinas will beg, whine and plead for some good old fashioned raw sausage complete with an injection of cream filling. foreigners are perplexed by this seemingly blas attitude filipinas have to being impregnated by complete strangers during casual sexual encounters. unlike western women who choose their impregnator based on his ability to pay a sizeable amount of child support for two decades, filipinas choose the father of their children based on genetics. desirable traits like intelligence, a long snout, eye color, height, a huge penis, etc. can result in filipina begging for your sperms.

"give me baby" is a request heard regularly by foreigners visiting or residing in the philippines. many guys acquiesce and add their genes to the philippine gene pool siring a number of offspring. filipinas are happy to be knocked up by foreigners even when financial support is not forthcoming. the craving for sperm diversity may confound the casual observer but a closer look at local communities provides some understanding of this phenomenon. a visitor to a typical provincial village would soon discover that most of the residents are related to each other. filipino men not wishing to shag their cousins must often visit other villages to find girlfriends or wives. [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) is a common problem in the provinces. this may be part of the reason why filipinas prize impregnation by a foreigner. it brings fresh genes into the community and possibly discourages [CodeWord130] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord130) ambitions from relatives.

iuds may be an effective form of contraception but filipinas look on any form of contraception with deep suspicion. so, good luck trying to get them to go to a doctor and have some medieval looking hardware installed in their snatch. the religious zealots have done a good job of convincing women that contraception will harm their health and render them permanently barren. as for condoms, you would not have a problem using them to root bar girls but expect them to complain that it hurts their pussy and they don't fancy them. girlfriends are a different matter. they expect you to ride them bareback and cum in their snatch, to do otherwise would be considered an insult and any feelings of affection you express to them will be considered insincere. all you can do is be open to breeding them if you want to keep that loving feeling. you can try to fool them with a vasectomy but after a year or two of frequent sex the girls will start thinking that your dick is too weak to knock them up and they will get a man with intact stones to breed them on the side.

what about stds? if you're riding dirty with multiple sex partners you will catch them eventually. you can't ride the lighting and remain unrep001hed. i know mongers who caught their first dose of gonorrhea on their very first trip to the philippines from the very first girl they screwed and went home with a dick dripping custard as a souvenir. others have a dirty dick but they're asymptomatic and don't even know they're carrying diseases and spreading them around. then there are the lucky ones who haven't run into some sick pussy yet. in the end you pay your money and take your chances. filipinas have some cute euphemisms for stds though, i remember one saying, "my boyfriend gave me fever in my poosay. "wow! great post. might be the most interesting post i have ever read on the forum.

[Member #4351]

Wow! Great post. Might be the most interesting post I have ever read on the forum.ChochaMonger is one of my favorite contributors on ISG. My favorite post was his comparison of a typical Filipina family's daughters to pigs being fattened up for sale. They would hopefully bring in old age social security, a monthly supply of San Miguels and other goodies for the parents when married off to some foreigner.

[Wicked Roger]

ChochaMonger is one of my favorite contributors on ISG. My favorite post was his comparison of a typical Filipina family's daughters to pigs being fattened up for sale. They would hopefully bring in old age social security, a monthly supply of San Miguels and other goodies for the parents when married off to some foreigner.Agreed.

But unlike Manny CM has been there done tat and got the t-shirt, he knows a lot about STDs and spreading the gene pool which IMHO is a tad unfortunate (the last bit I mean).

Always good to see how fellow mongers treat and respect the pinays. Manny would learn if he ever come here but that seems remote LOL.

[Soapy Smith]

ChochaMonger is one of my favorite contributors on ISG. My favorite post was his comparison of a typical Filipina family's daughters to pigs being fattened up for sale. They would hopefully bring in old age social security, a monthly supply of San Miguels and other goodies for the parents when married off to some foreigner.I'm starting to see the light. So thanks to Manny for resurrecting this recent post. I confess I read it too quickly the first time and missed all the good stuff. Having grieved over all the Pinays with whom I never got more than a few nights of lust, how could I have been so naive not to realize they were looking for greener pastures after I told them I'd had a vasectomy. Besides, all the foreign inbreeding will lead these women to have yet larger daughters, thus making it easier to fatten them up for the next generation of foreigners. When you stop and reflect it just makes so much sense--this incessant craving of foreign sperm.

[Manny51]

Agreed.

But unlike Manny CM has been there done tat and got the t-shirt, he knows a lot about STDs and spreading the gene pool which IMHO is a tad unfortunate (the last bit I mean).

Always good to see how fellow mongers treat and respect the pinays. Manny would learn if he ever come here but that seems remote LOL.Roger, you are just looking to mix it up aren't you? I wanted the flame war to burn out, but you want to keep going? Fine?

Funny how are you are sticking up for CM now. It seems like just a few days ago you are your girlfriends were piling on him, the way that cowards do. You guys have spent so much time hanging with uneducated girls that you have adopted their clique, gossipy ways. Say what you like, but I'll be waiting for the day when you and your buddies run out of retirement cash, and you jump off the balcony of some fleabag hotel in Manila to finally end your misery. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

[Wicked Roger]

Roger, you are just looking to mix it up aren't you? I wanted the flame war to burn out, but you want to keep going? Fine?

Funny how are you are sticking up for CM now. It seems like just a few days ago you are your girlfriends were piling on him, the way that cowards do. You guys have spent so much time hanging with uneducated girls that you have adopted their clique, gossipy ways. Say what you like, but I'll be waiting for the day when you and your buddies run out of retirement cash, and you jump off the balcony of some fleabag hotel in Manila to finally end your misery. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.Manny,

I suggest you read the FR properly and understand the jist and satire of what was written before claiming that me and others have the brains of idiots and will commit suicide as we will run out of funds (ever hear of the word 'pension' - as this is what many who live in the country use however big or small).

If you can't understand the jist of the post the basic facts are CM is not a favourite by any means in fact I would put him on the Ignore List but I like to read the rubbish he spouts (as I do your FMs) as life is full of variety so why make it boring.

BTW, few girls read the form IMHO so who are the 'girlfriends' you refer to unless you mean fellow members who you disagree with. Enlighten us please as to which members you call a girl? As my girlfriends never read ISG and you don't know them as well so who are you referring to, please.

[X Man]

From my humble adobe in a bustling East Asia city, I can enjoy Filipina drama just by browsing around FB.

An attractive woman from Bacalod writes on her timeline: You can come here anytime I show you everything I do. Then you realize what's your saying against me..

It's unclear who she is writing to, but looking thru her pictures it is easy to identify at least one AC hotel room. The gal seems to spend a lot of time in hotel rooms. The friend list shows she has no shortage of foreign male friends. She has the kind of FB profile which would put her right up there near the top of my list. And I surely wouldn't be saying things "against her".

Five days later she posts again: I hate you. The time you are here I'll text you many times you didn't txt me back.

And now you are leaving.

You txt me and say you going to Miss me and hope see me soon fuck you I'm not born yesterday..

Drama is more fun in the Philippines!

[Slippery]

From my humble adobe in a bustling East Asia city, I can enjoy Filipina drama just by browsing around FB.

An attractive woman from Bacalod writes on her timeline: You can come here anytime I show you everything I do. Then you realize what's your saying against me..

It's unclear who she is writing to, but looking thru her pictures it is easy to identify at least one AC hotel room. The gal seems to spend a lot of time in hotel rooms. The friend list shows she has no shortage of foreign male friends. She has the kind of FB profile which would put her right up there near the top of my list. And I surely wouldn't be saying things "against her".

Five days later she posts again: I hate you. The time you are here I'll text you many times you didn't txt me back.

And now you are leaving.

You txt me and say you going to Miss me and hope see me soon fuck you I'm not born yesterday..

Drama is more fun in the Philippines!Hahaha I got the fuck you from a girl a couple weeks ago after I had broken my foot, had it casted and was on crutches and showed her all of that on cam. She said I was a liar. Like I'd go through all that to break a date.

[Member #4387]

Hahaha I got the fuck you from a girl a couple weeks ago after I had broken my foot, had it casted and was on crutches and showed her all of that on cam. She said I was a liar. Like I'd go through all that to break a date.Haha unbelievable how some of these girls can manage to creat drama. And even if some are obviously spending a lot of time in hotelrooms around they are jelous as hell. Beats me. I myself do like the quite life without any dramas but as some others here it is quite nice and humoristic to follow from a distance. I have added quite a few hundreds in a facebook account and from them there are a solid number of what I would expect to be BG's. It is funny when they press like with their other or even third account telling you upfront they only did have one. I like to investigate my way to their "real" account as from this one they have real friends and the ones I like to feast from (even if it is not a perfect science).

And this early in the morning: I love you Joe.

Afternoon: I love you Steven.

Evening: hate you Joe.

Midnight: I feel frustrated.

No wonders if you ask me, haha.

[Roll Aides]

My first Filipina. Man what a lesson I learned from that one. "I love you. I love you. I love you. " Three weeks in she asks me for some help on the computer. I had been letting her use my laptop. In the course of checking it out I happened to look at the browser history. Good grief. Date in Asia, Cherry Blossoms, etc. I get her password out of her to "help" her, and proceed to check out her yahoo messenger, email, facebook, etc. Apparently while I am sleeping in the next room, she has a large variety of other guys on the hook, cam shows, the whole nine yards.

After this little episode, I did some research on system monitoring software. The one selected after some comparison shopping, is System Surveillance Pro. http://www.gpsoftdev.com/ This is invisible to anyone who doesn't know how to access it, and it lets me see what anyone using my computer has been doing, in detail. Screenshots, anything typed, sites visited, chat monitoring.

Now, one of the first things I do, is make sure a girl has (what she assumes is) alone time on my computer. Then I check out the hijinx and shit she has been up to while I was out of the room or asleep. Incredibly revealing. I can't recommend this program highly enough. It's one thing to read about Filipina dishonesty, quite another when you see it with your own eyes, in incontrovertible evidence.

The hilarity which ensues when you confront her with her online activity versus her obvious lies is worth a hundred times the cost of the program. After one has been in the Philippines a while, one realizes that the girls lie all the time, about everything, almost like it's a bodily function. But how they react when you catch them at it is even more revealing, in a way, of their national psychology. Somewhat of a study of the squalid, but 100% necessary if you want to survive here, IMO.


It's often fortuitous when a girl uses your computer and doesn't log off - turn off your wifi in your place before she arrives so she's less likely to use her phone. A friend just broke up with her overseas boyfriend. She was hiding her social activities but got caught. What she was doing is using a dating site profile without any photos. She'd browse the guys and send them a message telling them that she was looking for a shag. They would then exchange emails with photos attached. Her boyfriend made a profile with another guy's photos and she contacted him. Surprise!

Anyway, I read some of their emails (the girl and bf) and found this excerpt revealing:

"I was just honest to you because you deserve honesty. This is the real me that I was hiding from you, . I was unfaithful since the first time I got a boyfriend until I dated you and become loyal, I love doing it to you because I can feel the love. . . But you were not here for a long time already this is the reality, girls are more horny than guys and once girls got use to having sex every other day we / I will going to find ways to look for it, I love doing it with you because I love you, but you are here satisfy my needs. . I've never been honest like this before thank you for letting me know myself better...

[Tally Wacker]

My first Filipina. Man what a lesson I learned from that one. "I love you. I love you. I love you. It's one thing to read about Filipina dishonesty, quite another when you see it with your own eyes, in incontrovertible evidence.
I wouldn't take your experience with a local **** and convey that on all "Filipinas" because its not accurate. If she did a search on your personal computer and found that you are a member of ISG does that mean you are a liar? Are you looking for a wife or a hooker? Maybe you need to reevaluate your plan before your next visit.

[Red Kilt]

I wouldn't take your experience with a local **** and convey that on all "Filipinas" because its not accurate. If she did a search on your personal computer and found that you are a member of ISG does that mean you are a liar? Are you looking for a wife or a hooker? Maybe you need to reevaluate your plan before your next visit.I think you're being a bit harsh TW.

I have experienced many times the main point that he makes: that it is accepted fairly generally that "most" (probably more than 90%) of Pinays lie easily and confidently.

However, when confronted with clear incontrovertible evidence that they are lying, they NEVER admit it but instead resort to the most extraordinary strategies to show that they "didn't".

This has nothing to do with whether we tell lies or fibs or whatever (now and again).

[Wicked Roger]

I think you're being a bit harsh TW.

I have experienced many times the main point that he makes: that it is accepted fairly generally that "most" (probably more than 90%) of Pinays lie easily and confidently.

However, when confronted with clear incontrovertible evidence that they are lying, they NEVER admit it but instead resort to the most extraordinary strategies to show that they "didn't".

This has nothing to do with whether we tell lies or fibs or whatever (now and again).I agree RK.

Recently someone told me this anecdote about his pinay who said she was at school. When he went to the school and found she had dropped out 18 months ago he asked "are you at school" - she replied "yes" (she even was wearing the uniform). When he then asked again but also said "and remember I have been to your school today and seen the registrar" she then admitted she was not at school but told him she was not lying as she still wore her uniform, went to school but just never went inside the campus.

Odd logic bit clearly acceptable to her. And remember many pinays can never tell you bad news, or want to hear bad news (maybe as a result of the truly stupid TV programmes they insist on showing and watching here), so they never see it as lying, just a cultural thing that we westerners don't understand (and never will IMHO).

[Roll Aides]

I wouldn't take your experience with a local **** and convey that on all "Filipinas" because its not accurate. If she did a search on your personal computer and found that you are a member of ISG does that mean you are a liar? Are you looking for a wife or a hooker? Maybe you need to reevaluate your plan before your next visit.Not sure what your panties are in a knot about, but I live here, I'm not visiting; and I'm not looking for either a wife or a working girl at this particular moment, but thanks for the concern.

So to simplify for the simpleminded: A good safety protocol for detecting Filipina bullshit while you are here is, in my experience, to install monitoring software on your personal computer, and allow the girl to use it unsupervised. It can be quite a revelation.

[Amavida]

i think you're being a bit harsh tw.

i have experienced many times the main point that he makes: that it is accepted fairly generally that "most" (probably more than 90%) of pinays lie easily and confidently.

however, when confronted with clear incontrovertible evidence that they are lying, they never admit it but instead resort to the most extraordinary strategies to show that they "didn't".

this has nothing to do with whether we tell lies or fibs or whatever (now and again).we often hear from the cheated upon guys. i have a little experience to share that just happened this week. in essence i'm the 'other' guy through no fault of my own.

so i'm down in dipolog this week to attend to some minor business when i get temporarily stuck here due to glenda & bloody cebu pacific canceling flights with little warning.

as anyone would know there is no 'scene' to speak of here. however not to be deterred your intrepid correspondent books an in hotel massage and surprise surprise my 'therapist' takes a shine to me in a big way. gets my digits, arrives back in the morning for a beach outing, stays in my suite that night & enthusiastically plans a little 'vacation' to cebu with me. we stop at her place ostensibly for to pick up a dress. its a very nice brand new p8000/ month apartment with all the mod con's. hmm something not right here. from a p500 full body massage her cut is p70.

i'm not a 'meet the family' guy. i feel its dishonest but she ambushes me with a 'wait my mother is coming'. oh shit. eventually the whole bloody family shows up before i can beat a retreat.

back at my hotel that night we talk about the near future. she has something to tell me because she doesn't want to lie to me. uh huh. turns out while i'm enjoying her carnal delights 'john' from england an elderly man is paying all her bills for her apartment. she says she never told him she loved him & never slept with him. apparently i'm special. falls for me & feels guilty to john.

she asks me what she should do. i advise her to be honest and be loyal to which ever party she chooses. can't have your cake & eat it. etc.

i cut her loose to 'make a decision'.

whoever you are john, your allegedly untouched 22 yr old cebuano is one sweet shag. sorry mate.

av.

[Sammon]

Back at my hotel that night we talk about the near future. She has something to tell me because she doesn't want to lie to me. Uh huh. Turns out while I'm enjoying her carnal delights 'John' from England an elderly man is paying all her bills for her apartment. She says she never told him she loved him & never slept with him. Apparently I'm special. Falls for me & feels guilty to John.

She asks me what she should do. I advise her to be honest and be loyal to which ever party she chooses. Can't have your cake & eat it. Etc.

I cut her loose to 'make a decision'.

Whoever you are John, your allegedly untouched 22 yr old Cebuano is one sweet shag. Sorry mate.

AV.First of all this girl may not love " John " but certainly loves his money. I do not believe she never had sex with him.

You are there to fuck and leave. No need to advice her to be truthful to John. Let her gravy train continue as long as possible. What do you care?

[Amavida]

First of all this girl may not love " John " but certainly loves his money. I do not believe she never had sex with him.

You are there to fuck and leave. No need to advice her to be truthful to John. Let her gravy train continue as long as possible. What do you care?Correct. I don't care. Cutting her loose to make a decision is my way of diplomatically stepping out of this little drama. White knights who waltz off back to their home countries are fools. The girls have needs. They are not going to sit around knitting for months & months. That's just not realistic.

How many times have I heard these stories of elderly white knights who fork over money on a promise of future marriage. Countless. I have known a couple of guys who actually did give support to a chick they never banged. Not that it matters in this case. Just morbidly fascinated.

AV.

[WestCoast1]

We often hear from the cheated upon guys. I have a little experience to share that just happened this week. In essence I'm the 'other' guy through no fault of my own.

SNIP

Whoever you are John, your allegedly untouched 22 yr old Cebuano is one sweet shag. Sorry mate.

AV.Udder guy: Salamat, salamat, salamat.

A tale from the crypt, which is not so unusual in phils.

My habit in the province is often to bus girls in from neighboring towns. It gives the girl a chance to not be around her community and do things she might get criticized for otherwise. It also keeps me from having to meet family, bff, etc. There's a province girl, age 21, that I've been with several times now. Thin, twiggy (80 lbs), cute, quiet (usually). Best asset: high level of horny (at night, after the whammy, sound asleep, she plays with both her nipples or mine, she can't stop). Likes to get on her knees in the shower and suck dick. Good girl.

One morning recently she started a fuck session (after trying to kill me in bed with fucking the night before: "I love drunk and fuck. " In the middle of the session, hammering away, her phone went off. Its maybe the loudest phone I've ever heard, with a god-awful ringtone. It rang and rang and rang. The caller hung up, then called again, over and over. She looked at the caller and then ignored it. Whoever was calling sure wanted to talk to the girl.

After the ditty ended and the heavy breathing was winding down the phone went off again. I told her she could answer it. She looked at the phone to see who was calling and said, "Later. " I got up off the bed and got into the shower. Stepping out to towel off after the shower, I could hear her giggling and talking to someone. I cracked the bathroom door to see her with the phone to her ear, carrying on a conversation in english. I could barely hear a man's voice coming from the phone. When I opened the door to step out of the CR, she pulled the sheet over her head, making a mild attempt to hide. She lowered her voice a bit.

I went to the bed and crawled under the covers, sitting up against the headboard, grabbed my laptop and fired it up and checked email. All this took about 10 minutes and she continued her conversation. Closer to the phone now, I could hear the man's voice and the whole conversation. Clearly a boyfriend. He was pleasant, loving, actively interested in the girl. He said he would like to come visit her soon. Her response to him: "You say that before many time. " More relationship stuff.

I put down the laptop and began rubbing my hand over her naked body under the bedsheet. She didn't resist. I played with her nipples, then moved my hand south, toyed with her clit. She never missed a beat with the guy as her breathing changed. I love it when it goes in this direction. I worked my middle and ring finger into her pussy, massaging some of my cum out. She started having a harder time talking to the foreigner. Then I slid my pinky finger, just barely the tip, into her ass. A slight gasp with a sharp inhale. Love it. (she had her first anal fuck the day prior).

The conversation continued until she said she had to go now. Wait for it, wait for it, he said: "I love you. " Silence. He said: "Babe?" Just as she was about to speak, I pushed my pinky finger in a bit more, causing another gasp. She said: "I go now," and she hung up on him. You might think that my fingering her like that was unkind, but as soon as she hung up, she rolled towards me, thrust her hips towards my hand to push deeper inside, grabbed my head and kissed me really good. Like I said before: oodles of horny locked up inside that tiny body.

I was sated, so we washed and went to breakfast. I asked about the gent. She said she's been chatting him for 2 years from some dating website, he sends money, he calls her a lot, and his name is Mark. Two years and he's never visited? "No. " How much money does he send you? "Um. Depend. 4000.5000. 6000 maybe. " Every month? "No. Two weeks. Each month two time. Like that. " Wow, so you're getting 10 k per month? "Sometimes 15. " Do you ask him for money? "One time only. 1500 my kid was sick. After that he just keep sending more. Always more. " Do you and Mark say I Love You on the phone? "Yes. " Do you love him? "Haha no. Just he think it. ".

On our last evening we went to a karaoke place, then to a bar that had a band. We had just one beer each there, and I went to the CR and asked for the bill at the same time. When I came back from the CR she was walking towards me, putting her hand in mine, to leave. I told her that I needed to pay for the two beers, and she said she had already paid for them. I told her that she didn't need to do that, but she was fine with it.

Well, she's always been happy with transport + blue note / night with me. And I can see why. Mark, wherever you are, thank you SO MUCH for being too slow to get on a plane and actually spend time with this always-horny beauty (that you love). Thank you SO MUCH for not being aware that the amount you are sending her is well more than enough for her and her child to live comfortably in the small mindanao province (so much so that she has enough to buy me beer and never ask me for money -- for anything -- and give her mother thousands of excess pesos monthly). So, her gravy train continues, and so does mine!

We all probably have similar stories, of being in bed with some pinay when her boyfriend (sugar daddy) calls. I think this relates to RK / TW / RollAides thoughts on pinay dishonesty below.

[D Cups]

. After one has been in the Philippines a while, one realizes that the girls lie all the time, about everything, almost like it's a bodily function. But how they react when you catch them at it is even more revealing, in a way, of their national psychology. Thanks for the link, RA. As for the lying oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice first to deceive -- I forget who said it. I'm certainly no saint either. I usually tell the girls I have a business meeting with a mate and sometimes it's true but usually it's just more monkey business hahaha. I've never met any woman anywhere that I could be completely truthful with. I tried it and they don't handle it very well. Maybe that's why I've never been married. Oh well. Happy horndogging!

[Hutsori]

Mark, wherever you are, thank you SO MUCH for being too slow to get on a plane and actually spend time with this always-horny beauty (that you love). Thank you SO MUCH for not being aware that the amount you are sending her is well more than enough for her and her child to live comfortably in the small mindanao province (so much so that she has enough to buy me beer and never ask me for money -- for anything -- and give her mother thousands of excess pesos monthly). So, her gravy train continues, and so does mine!

It boggles my mind, but I'm a beneficiary of several girls' free time and on occasion her generosity too, so I'm happy with the arrangement. I wonder who these guys are. I reckon probably married and hen pecked. Perhaps fearful of coming over because they may just chuck in their old life for something new and exciting. Anyway Mark gets the companionship he wants from this relationship, i.e. talking to her on the phone, and if it's good enough for him who am I to object?

[Hutsori]

After this little episode, I did some research on system monitoring software. The one selected after some comparison shopping, is System Surveillance Pro. http://www.gpsoftdev.com/ This is invisible to anyone who doesn't know how to access it, and it lets me see what anyone using my computer has been doing, in detail. Screenshots, anything typed, sites visited, chat monitoring.
These girls live on their mobiles. If you really want to get into their lives get their mobile, have it rooted, and install monitoring software on it. You'll get everything System Surveillance Pro gives you plus GPS location, voice recording of calls including skype, whatsapp, etc. , and the ability to turn on the camera and microphone remotely. You may watch the show.

If I were to get serious about a girl I'd certainly make sure I have the ability to check the truthfulness of her love and devotion.

[WestCoast1]

I have experienced many times the main point that he makes: that it is accepted fairly generally that "most" (probably more than 90%) of Pinays lie easily and confidently.For fun, check youtube for pinoy comedian Mikey Bustos. He has quite a few comedy vids on pinoy culture. In one of his vids, he did a skit on pinoy lying. He said his best friend lies to him all the time, and its done to save face. He admitted that it must seem odd to outsiders. The vid link was originally sent to me by a pinay friend working in the middle east. We were discussing lying. Back when I was naive about how much the girls lie there, she was explaining to me that its not possible for her to get thru a conversation with a friend or relative without lying (however, she said she never lies when it comes to her work with other employees or customers). I asked her if she lies to me, as we seemed to be very good friends. "Yes I do. " I told her that I could never remember telling her a lie, ever, in 2 years of chat online. Do you lie to me often? She stopped and thought about that for a bit. "Hmmm. Yes. " When did you lie to me last? "Ah. Few days ago. You had a cold. You look bad. But I tell you that your guapo. " I see. Small white lie. "Yes. We filipina lie for many reasons. We lie to be polite. Also we lie when we know we should say the truth. Its part of who we are. " Then she told me about Mikey Bustos, and sent some youtube links. Check him out.

[Sammon]

Correct. I don't care. Cutting her loose to make a decision is my way of diplomatically stepping out of this little drama. White knights who waltz off back to their home countries are fools. The girls have needs. They are not going to sit around knitting for months & months. That's just not realistic.

How many times have I heard these stories of elderly white knights who fork over money on a promise of future marriage. Countless. I have known a couple of guys who actually did give support to a chick they never banged. Not that it matters in this case. Just morbidly fascinated.

AV.Few years ago I met a 18 year old very pretty girl in Cebu surroundings. She became my GF for a couple of years. Ofcourse I used to send her minimal money every month so that she can support herself, her mother and her younger sister. They were very poor. They live in a remote area on Cebu island and no chance of any employment. Later on she found a job in a store. Now she is married to a local and has a child.

When I met her she told me that she met a 60 year old man from Europe who was supporting her. Ofcourse as any of support payments there comes a time when people just stop including me.

She insisted the man did not fuck her but after me insisting it is a lie she admitted saying he did screw her and take her virginity. She was only 15 at that time she said. Extreme poverty forced her to do it she said. At least he gave her lots of money every month.

So do not believe your girl saying she never had sex with her man. It is like AC girls saying they are still virgins after having sex once or twice.

[Amavida]

This little soap opera in Dipolog just keeps getting better & better hehehe.

Late last night I hear a soft tap on my hotel room door. Open the door & there she is still in her massage girl smock. So much for security in this hotel.

She plants a passionate kiss on me & we shag again. After I get my breathe back I ask 'Have you spoken to John yet?' She replies 'I'm thinking I cannot because its hurts to him'. There is a pause & before I can say anything she hits me with another 'I have something to tell you'. Rolling my eyes thinking 'oh god, now what?

To paraphrase she hits me with a laundry list of sins perpetrated by 'John' mostly centering around his lack of understanding of her culture & accepting family around. I get a list of praises. I query her that she likes me & ok with me? 'Yes! Yes! I very ok with you! You very nice guy for me! I remind her I'm (ahem) leaving tomorrow. She tells me she does'nt want me to leave & instead move in with her in 'her' apartment.

Morbidly fascinated I ask what / when she will tell 'John'. Nope, not going to tell him, have me there bonking her while he sends the monthly payments is her brilliant plan.

She seems so genuinely sweet & innocent, hard to tell the real person. Maybe she is just unsophisticated / dumb or maybe she is a real world class swindler? The cultural nuances escape me.

In any event I tell its not going to happen & send her off with a little money as a parting gift.

My cell phone is now going crazy with txt messages as I pack for my flight.

Sometimes I think there is not a female in this country who is not hustling.

AV.

[GoodEnough]

This little soap opera in Dipolog just keeps getting better & better hehehe.

Late last night I hear a soft tap on my hotel room door. Open the door & there she is still in her massage girl smock. So much for security in this hotel.

She plants a passionate kiss on me & we shag again. After I get my breathe back I ask 'Have you spoken to John yet?' She replies 'I'm thinking I cannot because its hurts to him'. There is a pause & before I can say anything she hits me with another 'I have something to tell you'. Rolling my eyes thinking 'oh god, now what?

To paraphrase she hits me with a laundry list of sins perpetrated by 'John' mostly centering around his lack of understanding of her culture & accepting family around. I get a list of praises. I query her that she likes me & ok with me? 'Yes! Yes! I very ok with you! You very nice guy for me! I remind her I'm (ahem) leaving tomorrow. She tells me she does'nt want me to leave & instead move in with her in 'her' apartment.

Morbidly fascinated I ask what / when she will tell 'John'. Nope, not going to tell him, have me there bonking her while he sends the monthly payments is her brilliant plan.

She seems so genuinely sweet & innocent, hard to tell the real person. Maybe she is just unsophisticated / dumb or maybe she is a real world class swindler? The cultural nuances escape me.

In any event I tell its not going to happen & send her off with a little money as a parting gift.

My cell phone is now going crazy with txt messages as I pack for my flight.

Sometimes I think there is not a female in this country who is not hustling.

AV.In between my bouts of laughter when reading this, I've tried to reflect on what this lady's actions might imply about the culture. Perhaps the apparent amorality is in fact suggestive of a total inability to think critically, to assess possible longer-range consequences of her actions. This would be consistent with an education system and a culture that discourages any form of critical thought, analysis or ideation.

GE.

[Wicked Roger]

total inability to think critically, to assess possible longer-range consequences of her actions. This would be consistent with an education system and a culture that discourages any form of critical thought, analysis or ideation.

GE.Good observation GE.

Was speaking with a friend of mine the other night who lamented his wife could not really see the longer term picture, for her LT was barely the end of the week and sometimes a shorter time frame. She could not see the consequence of her actions regarding a fake Facebook page saying he and her were flying around the world each month (they were not) - she had a real Facebook page for the family and him but he found another one totally fake all for 'show'. She had no idea of the crap she would get when people found out she was lying.

There is limited critical thinking here because IMHO the education system in most parts is poor. I have seen the 'exams' given to some university students and these are so weak and lack any challenging questions or make the student critically examine and comment upon the subject. Plus the TV spouts out such total rubbish that says even the bad guys are good, all will be right eventually if you pray hard enough and best vote for some useless educationally challenged actor / actress / TV host because they seem nice.

Others may have a more critical / different view but I like to keep things simple if possible.

[Tally Wacker]

I think you're being a bit harsh TW.

I have experienced many times the main point that he makes: that it is accepted fairly generally that "most" (probably more than 90%) of Pinays lie easily and confidently.

However, when confronted with clear incontrovertible evidence that they are lying, they NEVER admit it but instead resort to the most extraordinary strategies to show that they "didn't".

This has nothing to do with whether we tell lies or fibs or whatever (now and again).Ok maybe so. I just checked in here and have not been reading the back stories. But he still sounds like he was classifying all Filipinas in one basket. Peace and enjoy the Philippines.

[AskeAske]

These girls live on their mobiles. If you really want to get into their lives get their mobile, have it rooted, and install monitoring software on it. You'll get everything System Surveillance Pro gives you plus GPS location, voice recording of calls including skype, whatsapp, etc. , and the ability to turn on the camera and microphone remotely. You may watch the show.

If I were to get serious about a girl I'd certainly make sure I have the ability to check the truthfulness of her love and devotion.Hutsori, are you american. You have read to many spy novels. Don't act like NSA.
It is not legal and it is not ok to spy a girl like that.
P4 P girls lie and so what. Live with it or get another hobby.

[Hutsori]

Hutsori, are you american. You have read to many spy novels. Don't act like NSA.
It is not legal and it is not ok to spy a girl like that.
P4 P girls lie and so what. Live with it or get another hobby.No. And learn the meaning of "if".

[Sam 14]

" I see. Small white lie. "Yes. We filipina lie for many reasons. We lie to be polite.


the main point that he makes: that it is accepted fairly generally that "most" (probably more than 90%) of Pinays lie easily and confidently.Funny you mention that now RK, I was just thinking that when the last one looked me in the eye and told me she was too busy to do anything with me. Yet she immediately followed with how she needed to get a job. I know how to work that but I didn't bother to try.

I'd say your number is not too far off. Just for fun and the sake of this post, I counted some saved texts. There were about 160 that I tried, on at least one occasion, to get them out. But I only got together for a second meet with about 35 of them. So if my math is right, almost 80% of them got out of it by lying and saying they were too busy to do anything with me. These are regular girls I met on my daily routine. So sure, allot of them have a job or are studying so it's a decent, but still weak excuse. Since it's just a small white lie, and it's politer than saying "I'm scared of you" or "you looks like my lolo", it don't really matter I suppose.

But I try not to let it bring me down. The first one I mentioned that was too busy, her best friend just left my hotel a while ago and she's a notch or two hotter anyway.

[Roll Aides]

These girls live on their mobiles. If you really want to get into their lives get their mobile, have it rooted, and install monitoring software on it. You'll get everything System Surveillance Pro gives you plus GPS location, voice recording of calls including skype, whatsapp, etc. , and the ability to turn on the camera and microphone remotely. You may watch the show.

If I were to get serious about a girl I'd certainly make sure I have the ability to check the truthfulness of her love and devotion.I looked into this at the time I was searching for PC monitoring software, but after extensive searching the only smartphone monitoring applications I was able to find all require a monthly subscription fee. Basically, you have to pay them for the server to collect the data from the phone, you can't just install the app and let it run.

More to the point, most girls can't afford an android-capable mobile, so you would have to give it to them. I see a ton of shitty mobiles, I sometimes give girls shitty mobiles, I sometimes see a girls with a pass-me-down iPhone 3 from a OFW relative. In fact I myself use a shitty mobile, I don't really see the need for or use anything more than taking pictures and sending texts, and I like the qwerty pad on my ancient Nokia blackberry clone. Basically nothing you could install the mobile surveillance apps on to begin with.

In the past, I have considered giving certain girls an android phone to check up on them, but basically it never seemed worth it. BTW Cherry Mobile here makes some very nice, very affordable android smartphones if anyone is in that market. If you're in your home country and want to check up on your Pinay fiancee then a "gift" of a rooted mobile could totally be worth it, if you have the patience to go that route. Or send her a laptop. 'about the same price.

These days, I actually don't get myself into situations where I really give a shit whether the little darlings are boning someone else or not, but SSPro was key in educating me back in the day.

[Amavida]

In the last episode I'm packing to leave, in today's final episode your intrepid correspondent is sitting in departure are being assaulted by constant stream of I love you grams via text.

Suddenly out of the blue I get a voice call from her. She has something to tell me. I adk myself, Again?

Under this barrage of psychological warfare I can only utter a gutteral 'uhhh. ' before she launches into the confession.

She has a 2 year old daughter courtesy of a philandering married Pinoy (she didn't know he's married, of course, sop). I ask with resignation did he dump her. No he died. When I ask? May.

Curious I ask when did elderly John show up & put her in her little fairy tale castle. June.

The fog of war clears for a moment & a timeline emerges.

She's been a very busy girl lately.

Daughter in Dumagete is sick needs medicine. The apartment set up by John is paid only 1 month bond plus 1 month in advance, soon to expire.

All the furniture & appliances in the aortment were purchased on time payment by John & the first payment is falling due soon. Crucially elderley John is in sudden need of surgery & has gone to ground. How typical.

My hitherto gwapo'ness is rapidly receding as the economic imperatives manifest before my eyes.

It was all about money. I enjoyed the sex.

Final curtain.

AV.

[Hutsori]

Final curtain.
A romance for the ages there, m8. Quite heartwarming.

I'm sure she'll bounce back. The next love of her life is just an email, text or wastebook friend away.

[Member #4387]

It was all about money. I enjoyed the sex.

Final curtain.

AV.As a closure you can tell her you did donate 550 piso to the airport authoroties as in travel tazas for her wellbeeing. That will make her at ease I am sure. She will be fine I am sure, hehe. Nice one there AV as my breakfast is spread all over when I burst into laughter.

[Amavida]

Nice one there AV as my breakfast is spread all over when I burst into laughter.Always happy to entertain :-)

Back home in Pampanga now, busy being welcomed home by my girlfriends where life seems so much simpler hehehe.

AV.

[GoodEnough]

In the last episode I'm packing to leave, in today's final episode your intrepid correspondent is sitting in departure are being assaulted by constant stream of I love you grams via text.

Suddenly out of the blue I get a voice call from her. She has something to tell me. I adk myself, Again?

Under this barrage of psychological warfare I can only utter a gutteral 'uhhh. ' before she launches into the confession.

She has a 2 year old daughter courtesy of a philandering married Pinoy (she didn't know he's married, of course, sop). I ask with resignation did he dump her. No he died. When I ask? May.

Curious I ask when did elderly John show up & put her in her little fairy tale castle. June.

The fog of war clears for a moment & a timeline emerges.

She's been a very busy girl lately.

Daughter in Dumagete is sick needs medicine. The apartment set up by John is paid only 1 month bond plus 1 month in advance, soon to expire.

All the furniture & appliances in the aortment were purchased on time payment by John & the first payment is falling due soon. Crucially elderley John is in sudden need of surgery & has gone to ground. How typical.

My hitherto gwapo'ness is rapidly receding as the economic imperatives manifest before my eyes.

It was all about money. I enjoyed the sex.

Final curtain.

AV.I am shocked I tell you, shocked. Maybe we can swap so, e additional narratives over a couple of beers in Pampanga later this week.

GE.

[Pip Jaeger]

Back home in Pampanga now, busy being welcomed home by my girlfriends where life seems so much simpler hehehe.

AV.And where there's absolutely no bola bola nor any drama, LOL.

[Amavida]

I am shocked I tell you, shocked. Maybe we can swap so, e additional narratives over a couple of beers in Pampanga later this week.

GE.Hehehe anytime GE. You may need a lot of beer!!

AV.

[FreebieFan]

and best vote for some useless educationally challenged actor / actress / TV host because they seem nice.

.It gets better. Now the Number 2 in opinion polls for next President isn't just an actor. No now its an actors wife. Yes folks. Imagine Grace Poe hobnobbing with other elected leaders and when asked " how did you get to be President" she replies. Well I married an actor and got the sympathy vote when he died. Sad but true.

[Kabul Guy]

I have been involved with a young filli for about 6 months. It is a long distance relationship but we have had a few visits. She is young and was a virgin when we met.

She has recently become quite clingy and is asking for more and more money. Just about daily it is a request for something else. Yesterday was a house, day before was money for furniture for existing apartment, last week was a 30 000 p cell phone. (She has lost 3 since we have been together.).

She is very insecure in the relationship and has threatened to commit suicide if I ever leave her.

Any advice on how to dump her in such a manner that she does not commit suicide?

[FreebieFan]

T IMHO the education system in most parts is poor. I have seen the 'exams' given to some university students and these are so weak and lack any challenging questions or make the student critically examine and comment upon the subject. .On my most recent trip I was asked.

" Do they speak Filipino in China. ".

" Do they use pesos in China ".

This, from a graduate. Yes the education system is alive and well.

[Radical Guy]

I have been involved with a young filli for about 6 months. It is a long distance relationship but we have had a few visits. She is young and was a virgin when we met.

She has recently become quite clingy and is asking for more and more money. Just about daily it is a request for something else. Yesterday was a house, day before was money for furniture for existing apartment, last week was a 30 000 p cell phone. (She has lost 3 since we have been together.).

She is very insecure in the relationship and has threatened to commit suicide if I ever leave her.

Any advice on how to dump her in such a manner that she does not commit suicide?Filipinas are masters at manipulation. I've heard the suicide routine many times. They will say and do anything to keep that money pipeline flowing, and if they sense that a suicide threat will do the trick, they will play that card.

Don't be a fool. She's not committing suicide. If you want to dump her, then just dump her. She will simply move on to her next sucker.

RG.

[Hutsori]

Still in Asscrackistan?

She's playing to your compulsion to rescue her; it's your Achilles' heel, and it will surely lead to your downfall. Your choices are "save" her or genuinely save yourself.


She has lost 3 since we have been together.She needs another mobile? Tell her to go back to the second-hand mobile / pawn shop where she sold them. I doubt her Filipino boyfriend will return the one she gave him so it's pointless to ask him.


She is very insecure in the relationship and has threatened to commit suicide if I ever leave her.She won't. There are other blokes to fleece. She has a responsibilities to her family and boyfriend (s) to support them.


Any advice on how to dump her in such a manner that she does not commit suicide?Hopefully you established communication with her using a throw-away email account, etc. Just delete the account(s). *Poof* You're gone. If it's an account you can't delete you then need to block her, but be assured she has other accounts, or will make one, and resume communication. Block those. Block her on skype, any other chat / text service. Block her on wastebook.

[Amavida]

I have been involved with a young filli for about 6 months. It is a long distance relationship but we have had a few visits. She is young and was a virgin when we met.

She has recently become quite clingy and is asking for more and more money. Just about daily it is a request for something else. Yesterday was a house, day before was money for furniture for existing apartment, last week was a 30 000 p cell phone. (She has lost 3 since we have been together.).

She is very insecure in the relationship and has threatened to commit suicide if I ever leave her.

Any advice on how to dump her in such a manner that she does not commit suicide?Anyone crazy enough to try to get 'involved' with a Pinay better have a plan to quickly commit or forget ever starting it in the first place.

You took her virginity. Everyone in her community knows it. Its still a social stigma here. What the hell was your plan exactly?

I'm sorry, 3 cell phones in 6 months is totally unbelievable. That money was going to family / boyfriends. A white lie or worse.

In any event, now that you've had your fun with her, tell her you're breaking off & then cut off communication by killing the email account & tossing your Sim card. Don't think further about it. No point to drive yourself crazy about this.

Regards.

AV.

[Member #4387]

She is very insecure in the relationship and has threatened to commit suicide if I ever leave her.
Any advice on how to dump her in such a manner that she does not commit suicide?Just had one I briefly know (means have fucked her a few times) trying her best act while dining at Gloriettas TGI Fridays. She has braces and obviously some teethproblem without looking bad. She asked me to "barrow" only 70000 php as she allready did pay her dentist 10000 php. I just changed the subject pretending I just did not listen to her.

Your "gf" have been lying her ass off to you so I would give her a big one in return. Based on your nick here use the Kabul for what its worth (been there myself) and pretend you send her a last msg ever as you have been shot and badly injured in Kabul. Let it sound like: "I am here at my last stop before heaven / hell (u choose), shot by Talibans, I feel my life is fading away, I hope you (here you pretend your dead)".

Then you are done with her and can look ahead. She will not even try to ever contact you again as they are terrified with ghosts and to be haunted. Maby a bit harsh but if you try please advice us. She will not commit suicide over a punter.

[Wicked Roger]

I have been involved with a young filli for about 6 months. It is a long distance relationship but we have had a few visits. She is young and was a virgin when we met.

She has recently become quite clingy and is asking for more and more money. Just about daily it is a request for something else. Yesterday was a house, day before was money for furniture for existing apartment, last week was a 30 000 p cell phone. (She has lost 3 since we have been together.).

She is very insecure in the relationship and has threatened to commit suicide if I ever leave her.

Any advice on how to dump her in such a manner that she does not commit suicide?KG,

I have seen the other FRs / advice and I would say you need to be cruel to be kind. Dump, change email / mobile number etc and then take a deep breath and find another pinay if that is your flavor.

Three mobiles in 6 months = pawn shop, and if she wants another then tell her "here is a 1000 pesos go to the shop and buy a cheap nokia" See her reaction and that will tell all you need to know about her.

She is getting all the material things as she knows your relationship with her will go south so get all she can now before you catch on.

So dump her now KG, find another and learn the lesson. We all have been there and got the t shirt.

[Red Kilt]

It gets better. Now the Number 2 in opinion polls for next President isn't just an actor. No now its an actors wife. Yes folks. Imagine Grace Poe hobnobbing with other elected leaders and when asked " how did you get to be President" she replies. Well I married an actor and got the sympathy vote when he died. Sad but true.Major error FF, and not "sad but true".

Grace Poe is the adopted daughter of Fernando Poe Jr and certainly NOT his wife. She is only 46 years old.

She has real substance to her with some excellent credentials and if she runs for President she will put the cat among the pigeons even if she is inexperienced.

Pretty easy to check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Poe.

[Radical Guy]

After going through a divorce, and a few trips mongering, I've decided to bite the bullet and get engaged. My fiancee, Juvy, is a beautiful 24-year-old accountant, with a BS degree in accounting, who was a virgin when we met (and yes, I know for a fact that this is true). Not only has she never asked me for money, when I decided to send her 5 K pesos by Western Union to compensate her for the time off she needed to take to spend time with me, she became offended and actually spent a fee to send me the 5 K pesos back by WU. She refused to accept any money. Additionally, it was like pulling teeth whenever I wanted to take her to a nice restaurant, or take her shopping for nice clothes.

Juvy lives in the provinces near Cagayan de Oro. I spent 2 weeks with her, with a few days meeting Juvy and her family, and the rest of the time with her in Cebu and Bohol. Interestingly, Juvy's family never once even implied that I should give them any money, and never even asked about how much money I make. Instead, they "interrogated" me about how I would treat her, and the reasons for my prior divorces, etc. Well, maybe I am a fool, but I don't want to live my later years alone. Nevertheless, I will still regard my mongering days with fondness.

RG.

[Snow1998]

I have been involved with a young filli for about 6 months. It is a long distance relationship but we have had a few visits. She is young and was a virgin when we met.

She has recently become quite clingy and is asking for more and more money. Just about daily it is a request for something else. Yesterday was a house, day before was money for furniture for existing apartment, last week was a 30 000 p cell phone. (She has lost 3 since we have been together.).

She is very insecure in the relationship and has threatened to commit suicide if I ever leave her.

Any advice on how to dump her in such a manner that she does not commit suicide?KG,

You have to have known that in your absence she would have been going astray. I am into filis somewhat and even have a regular for several years now and the difference is that a genuine girl will not fleece you as this one has done / is doing. As everyone here who are more experienced in these matters with filis have said, the suicide threat is just playing on your emotions. Simply dump her cutoff all comms and think nothing of it. When I start to meet a fili I make sure on the first meet she is aware there can never be a permanent relationship and its their choice how they want to play it. Many have opted out, a couple have remained and they just like to be treated as ladies and respected. The sex is on occasion, and very satisfying on those times. A few gifts now and then is all it takes. I should add these are in mid 30's and reasonably well employed with a good education. Frankly if it had been me, I would have dumped her at the start of the fleecing. Clingy in filis is somewhat normal but does not mean they fleece you. They want to always be with you, want to know where you are at all times what you are doing etc etc. She is not clingy IMHO but just wants to get the best of her sugar daddy. May sound harsh but that's what I think you have been to her. Hope that helps you to dump her without worrying your head off.

[Ikksman]

Well, maybe I am a fool, but I don't want to live my later years alone. Nevertheless, I will still regard my mongering days with fondness. RG.I for one, don't think that you are a fool.

Best wishes.

[Snow1998]

Not all Filipinas are the same.I second that!


Well, maybe I am a fool, but I don't want to live my later years alone. Nevertheless, I will still regard my mongering days with fondness.

RG.No I don't think you are one. You are both lucky to have met and found each other. Wishing you all the best.

[Hutsori]

I've decided to bite the bullet and get engaged. Congratulations! Seems like you found a great one.

[D Cups]

Well, maybe I am a fool, but I don't want to live my later years alone. Nevertheless, I will still regard my mongering days with fondness. RG.Congratulations, RG!

[Wicked Roger]

Major error FF, and not "sad but true".

Grace Poe is the adopted daughter of Fernando Poe Jr and certainly NOT his wife. She is only 46 years old.

She has real substance to her with some excellent credentials and if she runs for President she will put the cat among the pigeons even if she is inexperienced.

Pretty easy to check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Poe.Quite right RK, as some of the Filipinos I know think highly of her as she is not tainted with the PDAF / DAP scams that are daily fodder on the press. And she has been pushing for the Freedom of Information (FOI) act to be passed. Despite PNoys promise in 2010 this has yet to be passed (and is being watered down if Poe it to be believed), another reason they like her.

As you said it would be a cat among the pigeons. She is denying she will run for the high office maybe because if she shows her hand too soon she will be 'fixed' by those who don't want her to spoil their bid. It is more fun in the Philippines!

FF sorry don't want to disagree but this time RK is right!

[Sam 14]

tell her "here is a 1000 pesos go to the shop and buy a cheap nokia" See her reaction and that will tell all you need to know about her. I use a junk BS Mobile that costs 500 p for my second sim. A girl I had become fond of was admiring it saying "that's a beautiful phone". It was too, compared to her beater. I told her it's hers now. That's a good girl.

[Hutsori]

She has real substance to her with some excellent credentials and if she runs for President she will put the cat among the pigeons even if she is inexperienced.

Red, this is not intended as a knock on Ms. Poe but the same was said for Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo's substance and credentials when she ran for VP and later president.

[Wicked Roger]

Red, this is not intended as a knock on Ms. Poe but the same was said for Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo's substance and credentials when she ran for VP and later president.True but if everyone started with the premise that all those running for office in the country however large or small that office is, was corrupt and would abuse taxpayers money then at least no voter would ever be disappointed and if that person turns out less corrupt than he / she thought then it is a bonus LOL.

Just like women. If they started with the assumption men were all kinky, naughty mongers with no morals and will never do the cleaning, ironing, washing etc, then they would never be disappointed with the one they marry LOL But of course many don't think like that and become bitter and twisted when they find their man is exactly that.

[FreebieFan]

Major error FF, and not "sad but true".

Grace Poe is the adopted daughter of Fernando Poe Jr and certainly NOT his wife. She is only 46 years old.

She has real substance to her with some excellent credentials and if she runs for President she will put the cat among the pigeons even if she is inexperienced.

Pretty easy to check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Poe.Saw a conclusion and jumped. Thought she was the wife.

[Red Kilt]

Red, this is not intended as a knock on Ms. Poe but the same was said for Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo's substance and credentials when she ran for VP and later president.I prefer to be optimistic Huts.

ALL politicians start out on the right track. Even Marcos was a great President in his first term until the power corrupted him.

Grace Poe has grown up out of the country and managed to top the Senate vote WITHOUT having formed lots of alliances with the traditional politicians here.

She is the only shining light on the political horizon that might make a difference if she stands and is elected. So far so good. The current Mayor of Davao is another interesting prospect but that's a whole separate story.

I prefer to try to look at the half full glass because I have made a decision to live here for lots of reasons (many of which correlate with RadicalGuy's reasons stated earlier).

Guys who live here but continue to look at ONLY the worst aspects of the country will eventually implode (or explode), whichever comes first.

[FreebieFan]

Whilst we all know that the younger ladies can resemble peaches in their full and juicy prime, I was a tad shocked on recent trip to see how badly some Filipinas age.

Yes there are the Loren Legardas and other well moneyed ladies who can keep the advancing years from ravaging their beauty, but it was something of a shocker to see guys with women who were presumably their spouses. The guys looked reasonably fine, but the ladies seemed to have gone into an aging fast programme, whereby first the belly has gone (2 plates of rice every meal will soon do that), then the ass, then the flabby bingo wing arms, and of course with all that sugar in the diet, on comes the double chin etc.

If it was only one or two, would have been fine but it seemed like every middle aged guy out with his spouse.

Was a shame as the peaches continue to appeal.

As the saying goes, if you want to see how the peach will look, have a look at peaches mom.

[Amavida]

Whilst we all know that the younger ladies can resemble peaches in their full and juicy prime, I was a tad shocked on recent trip to see how badly some Filipinas age.

Yes there are the Loren Legardas and other well moneyed ladies who can keep the advancing years from ravaging their beauty, but it was something of a shocker to see guys with women who were presumably their spouses. The guys looked reasonably fine, but the ladies seemed to have gone into an aging fast programme, whereby first the belly has gone (2 plates of rice every meal will soon do that), then the ass, then the flabby bingo wing arms, and of course with all that sugar in the diet, on comes the double chin etc.

If it was only one or two, would have been fine but it seemed like every middle aged guy out with his spouse.

Was a shame as the peaches continue to appeal.

As the saying goes, if you want to see how the peach will look, have a look at peaches mom.Obesity is a growing problem here. 9 Years ago all the girls were spinners in skin tight jeans with only the ocassional tubby. Now most girls are 'solid', 'tubby' or 'walrus' with spinners an increasingly endangered species. Majority of girls get around in short shorts that do nothing to hide the fat thighs. It sometimes seems It's only the squatter chicks who are skinny now. Anyone with access to any money at all hits the jollibee etc. The more well off they are the worse it is. Expat wives & better off women positively gorge themselves on the worst diet you can imagine. Women are worse than men. Look on Phils TV, often the presenter guy is fairly normal build & the female co-host is sporting a big spare tyre & fat upper arms. If you're silly enough to marry one I can predict you will outlive her if the age gap is not too great. Sudden death through cardiac events is common. Young Pinays in 18 -20 group are beautiful but gosh they soon lose their looks now. Taking a gander at the mothers is a shocker. I often find myself doing a side by side comparison & I'm not impressed.

I think a lot of foreigner / Pinay marriages fail because that sweet little spinner you married quickly morphs into a not so sweet fat brown whale.

AV.

[D Cups]

that sweet little spinner you married quickly morphs into a not so sweet fat brown whale.Hell I've seen a Filipina I dated add quite a bit of beefage as she got into her late 20's! Recycle as needed and another good reason for me to stay single until I'm in my 70's. As someone once said (source unrecalled) the great tragedy of marriage is that the wife changes while the husband doesn't want her to; and the husband never changes into what the wife wants him to. Still I'm happy for the blokes that are happy with it.

[Slippery]

And then there the obese children too. Moms think they're so cute but they're only setting them up for juvenile or adult diabetes, hypertension and joint problems from carrying all that fat.

[Amanut]

Whilst we all know that the younger ladies can resemble peaches in their full and juicy prime, I was a tad shocked on recent trip to see how badly some Filipinas age. I prefer women in their thirties and early forties and have been very lucky in maintaining most past relationships while adding the odd new lady on my trips. These have been with some quite attractive slim professional ladies I have been lucky enough to bed. I am in the process of planning a trip in September and have been working the dating sites. Over time I have been chatting off and on with one particular lady in her early forties. We had planned to meet on previous trips but it never worked out.

This time I decided I would make a point of meeting her. She has said she had put on a few pounds lately so I made a point of finding her Facebook page. What a difference three years can make. In that time she has gone from an attractive spinner to a very unattractive obese individual who I would not have recognized in public based on her pictures. It was shocking to see her pictures on her Facebook timeline and watch just how quickly she deteriorated into glutinous flabbiness. I shudder at the thought of waking up beside her.

In her case I dodged a large bullet and will have to tell her that sadly due to unexpected circumstances my trip had to be cancelled.

So get them on cam or do what you need to do, but do your Due Diligence.

[Mr Enternational]

So your only reason for wanting to meet her was because she was thin? To each their own, but that is some Shallow Hal bs.

[Amanut]

So your only reason for wanting to meet her was because she was thin? To each their own, but that is some Shallow Hal bs.Yup it is. I am saving the whales for those that "each to their own" are looking for them in the deep end of the pool.

[Capt Munch]

Yup it is. I am saving the whales for those that "each to their own" are looking for them in the deep end of the pool.I am with you. . . . . One of the reasons that I enjoy the Philippines so much. . . .

I am a shallow end of the pool guy. . . . Filipinas come in all variations but if given a choice, I will go for the slender / well put together cutie over the older chubby ones any day LOL.

I may change my mind after I am 70 + but for now. . . . . Mr E can have the more robust examples.

Munch.

[Fred Gold]

I have been chatting with various 'good looking young ones' at TAG. I have learned yes, do due diligence. While I have yet to get to Manila, I have found that the picture posted is frequently touched up or old or someone else's picture. A CAM is worth 1000 words. With all the available women at the malls, etc. I'm considering just waiting until I get there and pick from the many available. Not sure all this chatting is worth the time and trouble.

Just my 2 cents.

HAPPY HUNTING FRED.

[FreebieFan]

So your only reason for wanting to meet her was because she was thin? To each their own, but that is some Shallow Hal bs.The few ladies I enjoyed on my last trip were 40 kgs 42 kgs, 45 kgs, 43 kgs and a hefty 47 kgs.

Looks like you got the deep and chubby end of the pool all to yourself.

[Amavida]

I am with you. . . . . One of the reasons that I enjoy the Philippines so much. . . .

I am a shallow end of the pool guy. . . . Filipinas come in all variations but if given a choice, I will go for the slender / well put together cutie over the older chubby ones any day LOL.

I may change my mind after I am 70 + but for now. . . . . Mr E can have the more robust examples.

Munch.Munch I'm sitting in a bar last night drewling at 60 tiny beautiful spinners on stage. I have one on each arm. There is a bunch of dour looking Caucasians sitting on a drink & just glowering. I'm in hog heaven & good naturedly asked this guys why they don't grab some cuties. They screwed their faces up & complianed 'no sous sous' ' too small' etc. Fuck that's fine with me brothers, more for me!! .

AV.

[Capt Munch]

Munch I'm sitting in a bar last night drewling at 60 tiny beautiful spinners on stage. I have one on each arm. There is a bunch of dour looking Caucasians sitting on a drink & just glowering. I'm in hog heaven & good naturedly asked this guys why they don't grab some cuties. They screwed their faces up & complianed 'no sous sous' ' too small' etc. Fuck that's fine with me brothers, more for me!! .

AV.Amavida. Sad but to true.

It does seem that a fair amount of the gentlemen (Caucasians) seem to prefer larger sous sous. Given the fact that the average Filipina is somewhere in the range of 5' 3" tall on average and usually petite, it does make you wonder what the expectations are when some guys visit some of the Asian countries.

Maybe I am fortunate, I have always been attracted to petite brunettes. And there is a whole country full of them here. Here over 90 % will come in the smaller sizes A,be. Some see and very few the cups. . . .

Needless to say, I am perfectly happy here and I would guess you have adjusted well yourself. (LOL).

Munch.

[D Cups]

. Some see and very few of the dee cups. . . ..Hi guys well it's good that most SEA mongers go for the cute flat petites. Obviously I have a penchant for the bustier ones which are not as easy to find but they are there. Slim and stacked is my preference but I'll opt for a little chubby because I'm a tad husky. A well-endowed petite Pinay makes me super horny just looking at her. I just can't get enough of them sou sous. It's really an addiction for me. Overall I think there are bustier Asian girls in Indonesia. Of course the Latin and Black girls have the biggest boobs of all. I'll be going to Dominican Republic for the first time next year and also have Medellin on the to do list in the future. Medellin is purportedly the silicone capital of South America if anyone likes bolt-ons. I don't care if their real or enhanced. Got to have them.

[Questor55]

During the past two decades we've witnessed a dual population explosion here in the Philippines. Numbers increasing uncontrollably and poundage following suit! It's become the norm for the slim teen age cuties to become quite chubby by their early twenties. For those of us who like them slim, sadly, we're experiencing a much shallower pool to play in.

[Streetlooker]

Sometimes I like spinners, sometimes I like a girl with a little meat, sometimes I go for younger, sometimes I go for older, And sometimes I just look for the pretty face and a good attitude. Great thing about AC is there is a selection for whatever mood your in.

[Ebauche]

Munch I'm sitting in a bar last night drewling at 60 tiny beautiful spinners on stage. I have one on each arm. There is a bunch of dour looking Caucasians sitting on a drink & just glowering. I'm in hog heaven & good naturedly asked this guys why they don't grab some cuties. They screwed their faces up & complianed 'no sous sous' ' too small' etc. Fuck that's fine with me brothers, more for me!! .

AV.To bad they don't recall Franklin's aphorism - "All cats are grey in the dark. ".

[Amavida]

During the past two decades we've witnessed a dual population explosion here in the Philippines. Numbers increasing uncontrollably and poundage following suit! It's become the norm for the slim teen age cuties to become quite chubby by their early twenties. For those of us who like them slim, sadly, we're experiencing a much shallower pool to play in.There's going to be a major health care crisis in the near future. Cardio vascular disease, diabetes etc due to massive population increase+ severe obesity + smoking. So many girls now smoking also. Due to the run away population there are still tons of pretty slim girls to be found but you have to work to find them now. Increasingly more average girls are tubby smokers.

AV.

[FreebieFan]

There's going to be a major health care crisis in the near future. Cardio vascular disease, diabetes etc due to massive population increase+ severe obesity + smoking. So many girls now smoking also. Due to the run away population there are still tons of pretty slim girls to be found but you have to work to find them now. Increasingly more average girls are tubby smokers.

AV.Its reported that today the population of the Philippines will hit 100 million. Not sure how they got to that exact figure but there you go.

If the "new airport" terminal is only 17 years late, for sure theres a way to know exactly what the population is, down to the nearest and newest bambino.

So the good news, is there must be a few slim slinkies in that population. The type many of us like.

The bad news of course with the growth in population, theres a growth in chubbies. Literally and figuratively.

[Red Kilt]

Sometimes I like spinners, sometimes I like a girl with a little meat, sometimes I go for younger, sometimes I go for older, And sometimes I just look for the pretty face and a good attitude. Great thing about AC is there is a selection for whatever mood your in.I seem to have been posting an inordinate number of links to other articles in the past few days but this one is especially topical given the debate on the AC thread.

Jacqueline Bisset laments the fact that older women are horny and need sex but men won't sleep with them.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/jul/24/jacqueline-bisset-older-women-want-sex-men-dont-want-sleep-with-them

Those guys who equate spinners with sexy might do well to expand horizons a little because it doesn't always follow.

Some older but attractive women can be ignited without too much effort at all.

[WestCoast1]

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/jul/24/jacqueline-bisset-older-women-want-sex-men-dont-want-sleep-with-themOuch, read the comments.

[Wicked Roger]

Jacqueline Bisset laments the fact that older women are horny and need sex but men won't sleep with them.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/jul/24/jacqueline-bisset-older-women-want-sex-men-dont-want-sleep-with-them

Those guys who equate spinners with sexy might do well to expand horizons a little because it doesn't always follow.

Some older but attractive women can be ignited without too much effort at all.If they all looked like her then maybe WR would try but unfortunately they don't RK. I may not be as svelte as I was but I am convinced I am more gwapo hence the bevvy of cuties knocking on my door LOL.

I have known 1 (maybe 2) MILFS who would / could share my bed (one was touching 60 with a body of a 30 year old) but that is all. In the coffee shop today were adverts for why we older degenerates prefer pinays. White MILFs with an ass the size of an elephant LOL.

[WestCoast1]

Ouch, read the comments.Rats, my previous post was placed in the wrong thread. Disregard.