Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[Red Kilt]

I am not sure you can place the blame on the pill or lack of drugs. Most likely they were new girls from the province and thin from starvation. Six months later their bodies have been storing up for the winter. Similar to a yo yo diet.I think Goferring has a point.

I definitely detect an overall increase in filipina body mass within the population, and in fact just last week this was discussed in a lunch-time meeting with some friends. I have no empirical data to support it and there are still many examples of stunning bodies walking around the malls and elsewhere but, as a group, it seems to me that around 7 out of every 10 filipinas aged 18 and upwards are carrying surplus weight.

[WestCoast1]

Is it just me or have bargirls put on 10 lbs in the six months since my last visit?

I've noticed that those that were once shrink wrapped spinners now have a distinct layer of baby fat and those that were curvaceous are now heading towards pudgy.Noticed it recently in every bar along Burgos, from Kalayann to Makati Ave. The pudge factor that has invaded AC is now infecting Burgos. I spent one night alone, just barhopping, and was disappointed. Many bars had zero spinners (although that bar might not have had any pudges, but no skinnies also), and many bars had Gordas. When I stopped in GoGo Bananas (near Kalayann), there was only one girl dancing. I assumed others would rotate but the mama said only one girl tonight. After 2 g / t's myself, I asked for the gorda and bought her a drink. The mama said it was the gorda's first week in the bar, no barfines yet (Duma). The girl herself said that she had seen only one other girl barfine in the previous week (BF=3900, crazy). She said she lived inside the bar. When the mama pressed for a second drink I balked, intending to leave. "Wait. You want blowjob? The girl can blowjob, right here". Not really interested mama, just bring the bill. The girl said (she'd been coached): "Now we make a plan. I give you blowjob. You give 3000". Oh my. Stop. Stop. Bring my bill. The mama looked unhappy and went for the bill at the bar. The girl: "You don't want blowjob"? Did the mama teach you to say 3000? "Well she say I can ask any I like. Like that". I have to go hun. "Wait. I put my number in your phone. You txt me". I handed her the phone right in front of the mama while paying the bill, the mama didn't seem to mind the girl trading numbers. The girl entered her number and sent herself a txt msg from my phone. I left.

I hit several more bars (including Burbon St and Rogues), then walked back to Banana's. Same gorda dancing. I walked away and went to my room and knocked off. In the morning when I turned on my phone there were several more msgs from the girl. All day she was wanting to come to my room. Not interested toots. She promised to do anything I wanted, including to make a nawty video. Questionable sweetie. Finally I told her plainly that I'd be willing to do a naked photoshoot, no nawty, for p1000. She insisted on a nawty video. Finally after another dozen or so txts, I was sitting in Cubano eating, and she asked if she could just walk over to Cubano and for me to gift to her 5000 or a new smart phone. I nearly rolled out into the street laughing.

Later one of my regulars showed up to spend the night with me in Makati, and she wanted to barhop. We hit several of the bars, including Bananas. Same girl dancing, same mama. The mama struck up quite a conversation with my girl in tagalog. My girl leaned into my ear and said the mama wanted me to give her a tip. For what? "I don't know. She don't say. But she have to bisit pamily on Laguna tomorrow". Oh, that crap. CHECK PLEASE! We left, and the next day the gorda dancer blew up my phone until I told her to stop txting me (at least she was gracious and stopped right away).

I went out on 3 nights along Burgos, and was fairly disappointed with the talent in the bars (but found cuties on the street). I think the only way I'm taking a girl for 4000 (+tip) is if I am x) really drunk, y) I have 4000 pesos in my pocket (often I go out with much less), and z) there are half a dozen spinners on stage to choose from.

[Mogwai]

Noticed it recently in every bar along Burgos, from Kalayann to Makati Ave. The pudge factor that has invaded AC is now infecting Burgos. I spent one night alone, just barhopping, and was disappointed. Many bars had zero spinners (although that bar might not have had any pudges, but no skinnies also), and many bars had Gordas. When I stopped in GoGo Bananas (near Kalayann), there was only one girl dancing. I assumed others would rotate but the mama said only one girl tonight. After 2 g / t's myself, I asked for the gorda and bought her a drink. The mama said it was the gorda's first week in the bar, no barfines yet (Duma). The girl herself said that she had seen only one other girl barfine in the previous week (BF=3900, crazy). She said she lived inside the bar. When the mama pressed for a second drink I balked, intending to leave. "Wait. You want blowjob? The girl can blowjob, right here". Not really interested mama, just bring the bill. The girl said (she'd been coached): "Now we make a plan. I give you blowjob. You give 3000". Oh my. Stop. Stop. Bring my bill. The mama looked unhappy and went for the bill at the bar. The girl: "You don't want blowjob"? Did the mama teach you to say 3000? "Well she say I can ask any I like. Like that". I have to go hun. "Wait. I put my number in your phone. You txt me". I handed her the phone right in front of the mama while paying the bill, the mama didn't seem to mind the girl trading numbers. The girl entered her number and sent herself a txt msg from my phone. I left.
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Nice story Westy, it's spot on. Thanks for reminding me why I don't visit the bars anymore, LOL. They are terrible.
The only place where I still visit the bars is Pattaya where I can limit it to those bars where I usually won't be pestered by the girls, like Baccara and Happy, and can enjoy the eye candy.

These days I find my girls almost exclusively through WeChat, and sometimes in the streets. I prefer non-working girls or semi pro's but I'm not totally avoiding bar girls. I've even tried a few cuties who work in Korean bars and surprisingly enough they were not starfish. In fact they were quite pleasant company.

[WestCoast1]

Nice story Westy, it's spot on. Thanks for reminding me why I don't visit the bars anymore, LOL. They are terrible.Concur. They are fine for having a drink and enjoying the eye candy.


These days I find my girls almost exclusively through WeChat, and sometimes in the streets. I prefer non-working girls or semi pro's but I'm not totally avoiding bar girls. I've even tried a few cuties who work in Korean bars and surprisingly enough they were not starfish. In fact they were quite pleasant company. Similar. I can stroll the street till I find a looker. While I get high-ball initial offers from the girls, they always bite at much lower. I did take one girl out of Stardust a few years ago who later became an afternoon-er. She quit the bar subsequently, but she is still an afternoon special. I have built a small stable of Makati girls over the years, and they now do ST or LT for a set price (same amount now for many years) who grace the PG. I could give a sh*t about taking a bargirl or not. Its fun to drink in a bar and watch the eye-candy, all the while txting tonights f*cklet about what time she will arrive, where we will meet, whether to bar-hop for more eye-candy or hit a live band. Makati is fish in a barrel.

I haven't tried WeChat yet, its on my list for next time.

[BrainDrain]

OK, in the numerous chat messages that we share with the girls each week there are some words that I want to try and define.

When she says:

"I'm married" may mean I) she was married previously, ii) she was married and now lives alone, iii) married and living with husband iv) married but husband has been in Saudi for the past 15 years v) Let's meet for wild fucking when he's not here.

"I have a partner" may mean I) I have a foreigner who supports me ii) I have a foreigner who lives here with me iii) I want to say that so it sounds secure iv) We can still meet for fucking when he's not around.

"We can be friends" I) I have a partner, husband or other arrangement but will still meet you for fucking.

"We can be best friends" I) I have a partner, husband or other arrangement but will still meet you for wild fucking.

I am always in awe of these women and how they juggle their lives. They can spend many messages telling you how devoted they are to their husband / partner and then wanting to see me as soon as I arrive.

I love the RP and the pinays.

Please help me expand these definitions.

[Member #4566]

Please help me expand these definitions.An ISG member writes, "The Philippines is a conservative country means. " 1) it is completely fuck happy and the girls mate like jack rabbits.

[Red Kilt]

I haven't tried WeChat yet, its on my list for next time.Too many bakla on WeChat. You will use up too much time trying to sort the real ones from the imposters, and many will not admit to being ladyboys through text.

[Ms Account]

Noticed it recently in every bar along Burgos, from Kalayann to Makati Ave. The pudge factor that has invaded AC is now infecting Burgos. I spent one night alone, just barhopping, and was disappointed. Many bars had zero spinners (although that bar might not have had any pudges, but no skinnies also), and many bars had Gordas. When I stopped in GoGo Bananas (near Kalayann), there was only one girl dancing. I assumed others would rotate but the mama said only one girl tonight. After 2 g / t's myself, I asked for the gorda and bought her a drink. The mama said it was the gorda's first week in the bar, no barfines yet (Duma). The girl herself said that she had seen only one other girl barfine in the previous week (BF=3900, crazy).......I went out on 3 nights along Burgos, and was fairly disappointed with the talent in the bars (but found cuties on the street). I think the only way I'm taking a girl for 4000 (+tip) is if I am x) really drunk, y) I have 4000 pesos in my pocket (often I go out with much less), and z) there are half a dozen spinners on stage to choose from.To be fair Westie. You were there between Christmas and new year. In actual fact I was there on burgos a few nights between Christmas and new years and in actual fact I was probably the one who did the BF at Bananas the new girl you spoke to referred to. The new girl was dancing on stage (quite tall but a little chubby?). They tried to push the new girl on me but I was there specifically to rekindle a lost contact who had moved to Bananas. The BF was discounted to 3000. I normally don't like to put a girl in a position where she has to bypass the barfine (on first meet if I meet again of course I expect to bypass the barfine) so I was happy to pay the 3000. AS I have mentioned in previous posts I am a regular on Burgos (3 nights a month) and you can't compare Burgos between Christmas / New year to regular times. Also the bars you went to (Bananas, Rogues, Ringside....) are not really the looker bars compared to Kojax, Plan be, Bottoms Up. The beauty of bars (Burgos / Edsa / AC) is you get to see the girls in all their glory. I went to Classmates and Pegasus a few months ago where they are wearing uniforms. Actually went ahead and BF a girl at Classmates. Once the Classmates school uniform was removed. WOW what a mistake. The traditional two piece Burgos / Edsa / AC uniform would have flushed out what she was hiding. I will claim some of the regular ongoing contact girls I have from prime Burgos bars are some of the best looking girls I have met in the Philippines. Even meeting chatmates you don't know what is under the covers when your first meet them.

Having tried to defend Burgos. The original theme of these posts was the trend for chubbier girls (given we are in the Filipino Opinions and Advice thread not the Makati thread). It was a theme I was going to post on and ask the longer timers whether they had noticed a change over the long term. For multiple girls I have met. I see photos on their facebook from*a few years ago and then look at them now and say WOW what happened. Walking around the malls I see a substantial overweight problem in the middle aged Filipinos. Have the long time visitors / residents noticed an increase in obesity in the Philippines?*.

[WestCoast1]

To be fair Westie. You were there between Christmas and new year. In actual fact I was there on burgos a few nights between Christmas and new years and in actual fact I was probably the one who did the BF at Bananas the new girl you spoke to referred to. The new girl was dancing on stage (quite tall but a little chubby?). They tried to push the new girl on me but I was there specifically to rekindle a lost contact who had moved to Bananas. The BF was discounted to 3000. I normally don't like to put a girl in a position where she has to bypass the barfine (on first meet if I meet again of course I expect to bypass the barfine) so I was happy to pay the 3000. That is correct. Tall, booby, a bit much in the tummy. No discounted barfine was mentioned to me (I was in there either alone, or with my LT squeeze, several times over 2 nights). As the girl had been there for over a week and had yet to see anyone barfine (her words), I'm fine if she wants to see me outside of the bar's system (it was her idea). The bar itself has set itself into this crazy over-priced BF system. I have had previous barfines over the years who were happy to return ST in the daytime before her shift for an extra 1. 5 k (also 2 non-barfines; where the girl herself chose to give me her number and cheat the bar, the Bananas girl would be #3). The normal Burgos barfine system is not something I want to involve myself in very often.

And yes, its the week between Christmas / New Years. For those not familiar with phils, its the time many employees (read spinners) go home for the holidays (and some businesses simply close). They cannot go home without pasalubong and cash, and an odd sense of urgency comes over them, especially the day before she departs. A year ago, on NY Eve, it was raining lightly, and I was alone (not wanting a girl). I got bored at BW Oxford about 11 pm and grabbed the umbrella and went for a walk. I assumed everything would be closed and the street girls would be in the province or at home. Boy was I wrong. While there were only a handful of girls on the street, they were all following me up the street wanting a date. I walk pretty fast and just kept moving. I left Oxford headed to Kalayann, turned left and walked to Makati. I had several girls and several ladyboy in tow. Turing left onto Makati, one girl followed me all the way to the McDonalds corner before I crossed the street in the noise / fireworks madness and lost her. This year after my ST left I was eating at Cubanos for late lunch, and 3 street girls were simply hanging around on the sidewalk, staring inside Cubanos at all the male customers who didn't have a date, they just stood and stared at us (that's desperate). Then in the late afternoon I went for a massage (on Burgos, upstairs, near Tune). I told the nice lady at the reception no nawty, just massage. She said they don't offer nawty and got me a fat, older masseuse. Perfect. She was pretty good. She told me the receptionist was 40, was the owner, has no kids, was very honest, and needed a "hasbund" (hint, hint). Near the end of the massage (p500) she asked if I wanted any extra service. I was tempted to ask if she had a spinner on hand, but I wasn't horny (my afternoon ST took care of that). She said she needed some money for gifts to her kids and "hasbund" and she could do anything that I needed. "500 only sir". Wait, isn't this the place that does not offer extra service, according to the owner? "We don't tell the owner sir. She don't know. You are second customer only today. We closing. All massage girls need money right now before going home to family. Please sir". No, but thanks for offering yourself. "Sir you will give tip then? Please?" Yes, sweetie, the usual, which I handed her. "But sir I need 500 or more for gifts. Please". You want me to tip you the same amount as the massage? "Yes". Got to go love. I departed there about 5:30 in a light rain, thinking it was way to quiet for a Manila NY Eve. I popped into Starbucks to get out of the rain for a bit, and when the rain quit, the noise / fireworks came rushing back.

Sorry I didn't know you were in the area, MS, I would have bought you a libation. I will be posting a related tale shortly of gents overpaying SW.

[Ms Account]

The normal Burgos barfine system is not something I want to involve myself in very often......Sorry I didn't know you were in the area, MS, I would have bought you a libation. I will be posting a related tale shortly of gents overpaying SW."Libation"- must be American lingo because had to look up definition. According to Wikipedia: A libation is a ritual pouring of a liquid (ex: milk or other fluid such as corn flour or rice) as an offering to a god or spirit, or in memory of those who have "passed on". Westie am I in for the first category or second category of offering. Agree the Burgos barfine system is nuts. My deflation on burgos post two years ago where I predicted that the more competitive pricing of the Kojax / Plan be / Hot Spot troika would force the reduction in ladies drinks / bar fine prices of the delusional bars has not come to fruition. But I will still stick with that prediction. 2017 is going to be a very bad year for the world economy and the Philippines will get hit hard. Lets see what happens in 2017 to the Burgos delusional bars (like Bananas, Papillion, High Heels, the new Dimples etc). You get the occasional gems in some of these lower traffic bars (like the girl I seeked out in Bananas) and when I ask them why they stay there given there is virtually no customers its either I don't want to leave my friends or secondly its better to be a big fish in small pond than a small fish in a big pond. I look forward to your post on SW. I have to admit I have never partaked in SW on burgos and intrigued to know what I am missing and how much I should be paying. On a few occasions I see some real lookers on the street but quite often they look questionable age wise*

[Golfinho]

You were asking about Golfinho's claim that "Filipinas on military bases in the USA says more about the Americans who got them there than it does about the women. If this helps, hopefully you won't have to read much further into the forum.Well, that's the long version that gets across the same point. There's a good song by John Prine called 'Donald and Lydia' which captures this idea, which being your age, you may be familiar. Now, next up discussion: Americanize ghetto socialization and what it bring with it overseas.

[Mogwai]

Too many bakla on WeChat. You will use up too much time trying to sort the real ones from the imposters, and many will not admit to being ladyboys through text.I'm not sure how to translate 'bakla', LOL. Womanish man?
Anyway, when was the last time you used WeChat RK? Compared to a few years ago, or even only one year ago, more and more girls (and I mean real girls) are using WeChat and I usually have more hits than I can handle. I admit it can take quite some time to chat with all these girls in order to find the really nice ones and the occasional 'gem', but so does bar hopping. And the latter is way more expensive.

I haven't come across any imposters lately but maybe that depends on where you use WeChat. I can imagine there are more imposters in a big city like Manila than in AC for example.
And yes, there are many ladyboys but 95% is easily identified and over the years I've only had a few questionable denials.

Anyway, YMMV I guess.

[Red Kilt]

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The original theme of these posts was the trend for chubbier girls (given we are in the Filipino Opinions and Advice thread not the Makati thread). It was a theme I was going to post on and ask the longer timers whether they had noticed a change over the long term. For multiple girls I have met. I see photos on their facebook from*a few years ago and then look at them now and say WOW what happened. Walking around the malls I see a substantial overweight problem in the middle aged Filipinos. Have the long time visitors / residents noticed an increase in obesity in the Philippines?*.Ms A: I guess you missed reading Posts 4748 and 4751 on this very thread.

In case you are very specifically referring to middle-aged filipinos, the answer is still very much a big YES.

At risk of being accused of over-generalizing, I suggest that almost all filipinos have a bilbil (that's Tagalog for "fat belly; men and women), and the exceptions are usually the scrawny and skinny ones who look like matchsticks. A quick stroll along any street or through any mall will soon verify it.

[Red Kilt]

I'm not sure how to translate 'bakla', LOL. Womanish man?
Anyway, when was the last time you used WeChat RK? Compared to a few years ago, or even only one year ago, more and more girls (and I mean real girls) are using WeChat and I usually have more hits than I can handle. I admit it can take quite some time to chat with all these girls in order to find the really nice ones and the occasional 'gem', but so does bar hopping. And the latter is way more expensive.

I haven't come across any imposters lately but maybe that depends on where you use WeChat. I can imagine there are more imposters in a big city like Manila than in AC for example.
And yes, there are many ladyboys but 95% is easily identified and over the years I've only had a few questionable denials. Thanks for the update Mogs.

Firstly, some translation advice (according to my experiences as a long-term resident here). Bakla is defined in my dictionaries by the pejorative term (nowadays anyway) as "homosexual". Google via Wikipedia says that "in modern Filipino, it can mean either "effeminate man" or "homosexual". Cebuanos use either bayot or bakla to describe gay men. "Tomboy" is the universal term for women who have a mannish appearance and are lesbian but this excludes the sexy feminine woman who is bisexual and also lesbian. BTW, it is not an insulting term, and filipinos use tomboy/bakla / bayot all the time to describe other people.

Re WeChat. I am merely reporting my experience with it and I have used it almost exclusively in Ortigas Center so I am sure your experience of using it in Makati and possibly AC yields different results. I would say 9 out of 10 hits on me are from baklas, and I have recently disabled it on my phone as I am too busy right now to be fussed with it as a tool.

Readers should follow your advice and not be put off by my negative views, but I still advise caution and to do your due diligence before inviting anyone up for a massage.

[CallSign Papa]

Re WeChat. I am merely reporting my experience with it and I have used it almost exclusively in Ortigas Center so I am sure your experience of using it in Makati and possibly AC yields different results. I would say 9 out of 10 hits on me are from baklas,That's very much been my experience too RK. I was in Poblacion enjoying a lazy afternoon on the terrace at Treehouse and was pretty exasperated by the lack of real girls. I find Skout and Badoo much more reliable in this regard.

[One Eyed Man]

Too many bakla on WeChat. You will use up too much time trying to sort the real ones from the imposters, and many will not admit to being ladyboys through text.Yes, I wasted a of time with them. I was recently in Manila, and found bunch of the WeChat girls sitting outside a Pacific Coffee (I believe), near Greenbelt 4 (near the Shangri-La, in any case) working their phones. I should have just walked around there and picked on. Beware "models" who are much taller than the average Filipina.

[BaboyDave]

Thanks for the update Mogs.

Firstly, some translation advice (according to my experiences as a long-term resident here). Bakla is defined in my dictionaries by the pejorative term (nowadays anyway) as "homosexual". Google via Wikipedia says that "in modern Filipino, it can mean either "effeminate man" or "homosexual". Cebuanos use either bayot or bakla to describe gay men. "Tomboy" is the universal term for women who have a mannish appearance and are lesbian but this excludes the sexy feminine woman who is bisexual and also lesbian. BTW, it is not an insulting term, and filipinos use tomboy/bakla / bayot all the time to describe other people.

Re WeChat. I am merely reporting my experience with it and I have used it almost exclusively in Ortigas Center so I am sure your experience of using it in Makati and possibly AC yields different results. I would say 9 out of 10 hits on me are from baklas, and I have recently disabled it on my phone as I am too busy right now to be fussed with it as a tool.

Readers should follow your advice and not be put off by my negative views, but I still advise caution and to do your due diligence before inviting anyone up for a massage.Good points RK.

Where I come from a 'Tomboy' is a woman partaking in manly activities and dressing up in what is normally viewed as menswear.

It has never had anything to do with sexual preferences. I found myself debating this with multiple Pinay when either I or she used the term only to be lost in translation.

In any case, it is indeed a term for "Lesbian" in Filipino lingo, as is Bakla for Homosexual / Transgender.

As for Wechat, I have tried using it in Makati multiple times, almost only found clear Bakla or at least girls that caused suspicion. Ended up leaving it altogether.

[Mogwai]

Re WeChat. I am merely reporting my experience with it and I have used it almost exclusively in Ortigas Center so I am sure your experience of using it in Makati and possibly AC yields different results. I would say 9 out of 10 hits on me are from baklas, and I have recently disabled it on my phone as I am too busy right now to be fussed with it as a tool.



That's very much been my experience too RK. I was in Poblacion enjoying a lazy afternoon on the terrace at Treehouse and was pretty exasperated by the lack of real girls. I find Skout and Badoo much more reliable in this regard.



As for Wechat, I have tried using it in Makati multiple times, almost only found clear Bakla or at least girls that caused suspicion. Ended up leaving it altogether.I have used WeChat in AC and Thailand for the most part and only a couple of times in Manila (simply because I'm not staying there very often). Both in AC and Thailand I think about 40 or 50 percent of the hits on me are from ladyboys.

I've tried Badoo in Thailand but it didn't work for me there. Haven't tried it in the Phils yet so maybe I should. Thanks for the tip.

[Mogwai]

Thanks for the update Mogs.

Firstly, some translation advice (according to my experiences as a long-term resident here). Bakla is defined in my dictionaries by the pejorative term (nowadays anyway) as "homosexual". Google via Wikipedia says that "in modern Filipino, it can mean either "effeminate man" or "homosexual". Cebuanos use either bayot or bakla to describe gay men. "Tomboy" is the universal term for women who have a mannish appearance and are lesbian but this excludes the sexy feminine woman who is bisexual and also lesbian. BTW, it is not an insulting term, and filipinos use tomboy/bakla / bayot all the time to describe other people.
Thanks for the explanation RK. So Bakla is also used to refer to ladyboys? I guess they are not happy with that because they are not homosexual.

[Asian Rain]

Thanks for the explanation RK. So Bakla is also used to refer to ladyboys? I guess they are not happy with that because they are not homosexual.From my experience living in the Philippines, homosexual men were referred to as "gays". Butch-looking homesexual women were called "tomboys" or "toms". I had only heard transsexuals referred to as "ladyboys" or "bakla", the latter being less flattering. From my observation, many Filipino male transsexuals look like cross-dressers as they struggle with many challenges that land them in the more pejorative "bakla" category. (1) Majority cannot afford surgery so they are flat-chested and cannot get extra touches on nose and adam's apple. (2) Filipino men have more hair and don't have the smooth-skinned passable looks of some other nationalities like Thais. (3) Very few can afford hormones or expensive make up to make them more passable. So I generally think that Filipinos will refer more kindly to a passable and lady-like transsexual as "ladyboy". Those that are more like flaming cross-dressers will more likely get called "bakla". So if you want to score advance brownie points with your transsexual Filipino friends before you score other kinds of "brownie points", go for the less pejorative nomenclature. Haha. Enjoy the Philippines, AsianRain.

[X Man]

For some reason Firebird comes to mind when I read your report about tomboys.

I'm not homophopic, but I generally avoid eye contact and social contact with male streetwalkers. I was passing thru to the Angeles City Walking street, which is often a gauntlet, and got an unexpected and unwanted proposition. This was accompanied by a great flourish of hand wave. My reaction was to lean away, and I probably had a displeased look on my face. I said nothing.

The response was, "go back to your country".


From my experience living in the Philippines, homosexual men were referred to as "gays". Butch-looking homesexual women were called "tomboys" or "toms". I had only heard transsexuals referred to as "ladyboys" or "bakla", the latter being less flattering. From my observation, many Filipino male transsexuals look like cross-dressers as they struggle with many challenges that land them in the more pejorative "bakla" category. (1) Majority cannot afford surgery so they are flat-chested and cannot get extra touches on nose and adam's apple. (2) Filipino men have more hair and don't have the smooth-skinned passable looks of some other nationalities like Thais. (3) Very few can afford hormones or expensive make up to make them more passable. So I generally think that Filipinos will refer more kindly to a passable and lady-like transsexual as "ladyboy". Those that are more like flaming cross-dressers will more likely get called "bakla". So if you want to score advance brownie points with your transsexual Filipino friends before you score other kinds of "brownie points", go for the less pejorative nomenclature. Haha. Enjoy the Philippines, AsianRain.

[Hutsori]

For some reason Firebird comes to mind when I read your report about tomboys.
It's thunderbird, also t-bird, that's used for toms. They dislike it.

The TV programme Showtime had a tomboy pageant called "That's My Tomboy" a few years back. Very charming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llWi3T_OfU8

Not only were many once beautiful girls, the toms have game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaSdYrviCLw

[Soapy Smith]

From my experience living in the Philippines, homosexual men were referred to as "gays". Butch-looking homesexual women were called "tomboys" or "toms". I had only heard transsexuals referred to as "ladyboys" or "bakla", the latter being less flattering. AsianRain.Perhaps these terms are used differently in various settings or among various groups. My first exposure to the term "bakla" was from a woman who agreed to meet me at the airport. She had never met anybody at the airport and so told me she would be accompanied by two friends, Eunice and Jimmie, who were more familiar with meeting passengers at Terminal 1. I asked during a phone call how it was she was so close to Jimmie, alluding to the possibility he was her regular boyfriend. She laughed and said, "no, Jimmie is bakla. " I looked it up in my Filipino-English dictionary and found it defined as "homosexual. " In interactions after I arrived she referred to him directly as "bakla. " he seemed to take no offense, and this seems in keeping with RK's sugggestion, if I understand him correctly, that the expression is not regarded as insulting.

In a poor community in Malabon that I sometimes frequent there are a couple of gay men (not cross-dressers) who are referred to in person as "bakla," nearly as frequently as by their given names. Nobody pays any particular notice when this happens. In most social settings when an expression or communication is out of place or insulting, the natives sit up and take notice. I have been shopping, in Divisoria for example, with one of these men accompanying my squeeze, her teenage son, and me, largely because he knew the jeepney routes and she did not. As we strolled around the Divisoria Mall area she would refer to him openly as "bakla," and of the many people within earshot, nobody looked askance. These interactions suggested to me that the experession, at least in these contexts, was not seen as pejorative.

It's also possible that these situations have social class implications. The people I was hanging with were definitely not high society, although this particular bakla has worked regularly as an OFW in Singapore and Hong Kong. Perhaps in more high society contexts bakla has a more pejorative implication. Among the people I am describing having interacted with, "bakla" and "ladyboy" were not synonymous. It was understood that laydboys are baklas, but not all baklas are ladyboys. But, YMMV.

[Dg8787]

There was a girl that I had been to bed with a few times, she was referred to me by another girl that I had been with. After a while she was texting me and there was a stern jealous question like how many girl friends do you have? After a pause and some thought I replied "15 girls and one bakla". She started laughing and that was the end of the questioning and she understood that I was a butterfly.

I have never heard bakla used as a degrading word by Filipinos. How ever some will use "gay" as the English word. Most families will have a hidden bakla in the closet to foreigners, but pretty open to themselves.

[MrWoolyBooly]

Most families will have a hidden bakla in the closet to foreigners, but pretty open to themselves.Greetings Mr 8787, I'm not sure it's so often hidden. Often when telling me about their family, Pinays have said things like "I have 4 brothers and 5 sisters, but one is tomboy (or one is gay / bakla). " I can't figure out why they chose to mention that of all the characteristics they think I'd want to know. My acquaintances may not be a large enough sample size, but they do range from dirt poor to solid Pinoy middle class.

[WestCoast1]

Greetings Mr 8787, I'm not sure it's so often hidden. Often when telling me about their family, Pinays have said things like "I have 4 brothers and 5 sisters, but one is tomboy (or one is gay / bakla). " I can't figure out why they chose to mention that of all the characteristics they think I'd want to know.Have always been curious about this. It never fails, when a pinay has a gay brother or lesbian sister, they *must* point it out. Alternately, when she is mentioning about the brother of her friend (the friend is sitting in the room, both girls are naked), and the brother is gay, she *must* point that out. Looking at a picture of several Filipino, I curiously ask who this or that person is. "he is the brother of Analyn. He is a GAY". Or "This my brothers and sister. This brother is a GAY". If pointing out anyone else in the picture, she would never say: "he (or She) is straight". There seems to be some need to mention gay / bakla. Do any of you gents who have lived in phils for some time have an explanation for that?

[BrainDrain]

Have always been curious about this. It never fails, when a pinay has a gay brother or lesbian sister, they *must* point it out. Alternately, when she is mentioning about the brother of her friend (the friend is sitting in the room, both girls are naked), and the brother is gay, she *must* point that out. Looking at a picture of several Filipino, I curiously ask who this or that person is. "he is the brother of Analyn. He is a GAY". Or "This my brothers and sister. This brother is a GAY". If pointing out anyone else in the picture, she would never say: "he (or She) is straight". There seems to be some need to mention gay / bakla. Do any of you gents who have lived in phils for some time have an explanation for that?I am also often told of the gay family cohort. I had not considered it as 'pointing it out'.

I think it comes from a culture of being much more accepting of gay. In every workplace with which I am involved there are gays of both sides which fit into the dynamics of the organisation, the peers and the expectations.

I'm seeing it as a positive.

BD.

[Mr Enternational]

I am also often told of the gay family cohort. I had not considered it as 'pointing it out'.I have experienced the same thing. I just asked my girl and she said that she has never noticed any Filipinos to do that. She suggested asking the people who say that. I said maybe they only do it with foreigners then. She said maybe so.

Then she asked me about a belated Christmas gift to which I replied did you forget that I am not Christian?

[FreebieFan]

Then she asked me about a belated Christmas gift to which I replied did you forget that I am not Christian?They don't care if you are christian or not. They care for their pasalubong. Could be easter / devil worshipping day / eat more chilli day / international toilet day. Its still a reason for you to give a gift. In fact every day is gift giving day, but never to receive.

Its a wonderful moment when you turn the tables and ask the girl " so where's my gift ". Usually a speechless totally silent moment will follow with an utterly confused look in her eyes.

[Soapy Smith]

I think it comes from a culture of being much more accepting of gay. In every workplace with which I am involved there are gays of both sides which fit into the dynamics of the organisation, the peers and the expectations. I'm seeing it as a positive. BD.This is how I have always interpreted it. What comes across is the matter-of-fact nature in which it 's said. In cultures that are much less accepting of gays we would expect folks to definitively not draw attention to the gay family member.

[Sam 14]

It never fails, when a pinay has a gay brother or lesbian sister, they *must* point it out. <Snip> "This my brothers and sister. This brother is a GAY". <Snip> Do any of you gents who have lived in phils for some time have an explanation for that?Yes. . My guess is it's in their DNA, just like don't skip your lunch, and the famous "where are you?"

[MrWoolyBooly]

I hope to be unusually prepared for my next visit. A friend living in country will prepare stuff so I don't have to shop or lug onto the plane. Condo will be pre checked in, stuff will be there for me when I arrive if all goes well. What to request so I can travel light and worry-free?

- Toiletries.

- Lots of chocolates for "pasalubong" (annoyingly frequently requested gift) that appear to be foreign made. Any advice for specific brands that give the best impression for the least expense? (Taglish response of my friend, "Grabe, hindi romantic ang chocolates bought ni assistant. " Rough translation: "Seriously, chocolates bought by your assistant are not romantic. ") I will have all peso price tags removed.

- Alcohol. Any advice for the basic prestocked assortment?

- Birth control pills. I prefer to bring condoms from home for best comfort and quality.

- A stack of extra towels.

- One Globe and one Smart sim card with load cards.

[Mr Enternational]

I hope to be unusually prepared for my next visit. A friend living in country will prepare stuff so I don't have to shop or lug onto the plane. Condo will be pre checked in, stuff will be there for me when I arrive if all goes well. What to request so I can travel light and worry-free?

- Lots of chocolates for "pasalubong" (annoyingly frequently requested gift) that appear to be foreign made. Any advice for specific brands that give the best impression for the least expense? (Taglish response of my friend, "Grabe, hindi romantic ang chocolates bought ni assistant. " Rough translation: "Seriously, chocolates bought by your assistant are not romantic. ") I will have all peso price tags removed.

- Alcohol. Any advice for the basic prestocked assortment?None of the chicks that I have known really drink that much if at all. I probably would not worry with alcohol. In November my girlfriend wanted me to bring the Toblerone in the blue package and Nutella.

[Wicked Roger]

I hope to be unusually prepared for my next visit. A friend living in country will prepare stuff so I don't have to shop or lug onto the plane. Condo will be pre checked in, stuff will be there for me when I arrive if all goes well. What to request so I can travel light and worry-free?

- Toiletries.

- Lots of chocolates for "pasalubong" (annoyingly frequently requested gift) that appear to be foreign made. Any advice for specific brands that give the best impression for the least expense? (Taglish response of my friend, "Grabe, hindi romantic ang chocolates bought ni assistant. " Rough translation: "Seriously, chocolates bought by your assistant are not romantic. ") I will have all peso price tags removed.

- Alcohol. Any advice for the basic prestocked assortment?

- Birth control pills. I prefer to bring condoms from home for best comfort and quality.

- A stack of extra towels.

- One Globe and one Smart sim card with load cards.Cheap perfumes with a foreign name. I get mine in Carrefour and other places and these never fail to impress. Some I get Vic Secrets fragrance where I get 3 for the price of 1 promos (say PHP550 each) at the airport coming in (if promo is being pushed then) - this smells sweet and fruity (just like me LOL).

Cheap booze always for me as the girls seems to like branded so cheap foreign wine (I go for a mix of Aussie and Spanish as tend to be the cheapest in Metro supermarket) and avoid the Chivas as some love Chivas but up to you WB-onky nice bought that and was worth it but really the wine is fine or Red Horse / SML mix as some not care as long as alcohol IMHO.

Chocolates for me must be Cadburys or Lindt not the awful Heshey rubbish that some seem to think taste good LOL but some girls like Hersheys Kisses so I have relented for a reason (that we can all guess) but most love Cadburys and you can get this at most duty frees as you leave and put in the hand carry. You can buy this in the supermarkets in the Philippines also but some have a different flavour than if bought from the 'home country'. Try also Ferrero Rocha and the coconut delight one also. Sweet tasty and the girls love a small box of that. See the photos on any girls facebook shows they love their chocolates.

Towels. A good idea WB as we all like to shower a lot LOL.

[BrainDrain]

I hope to be unusually prepared for my next visit. A friend living in country will prepare stuff so I don't have to shop or lug onto the plane. Condo will be pre checked in, stuff will be there for me when I arrive if all goes well. What to request so I can travel light and worry-free?
.In addition to the other suggestions:

Red Horse and Tanduay (I have a such a stable of high quality girls).

Mouth wash.

Extra toothbrushes to give away.

Boxes of tissues.

[Dg8787]

In addition to the other suggestions:

Red Horse and Tanduay (I have a such a stable of high quality girls).

Mouth wash.

Extra toothbrushes to give away.

Boxes of tissues.Disposable razors and shaving cream.

Shampoo and conditioner.

Hair combs.

Lotion.

Energy bars.

[Hutsori]

- Alcohol. Any advice for the basic prestocked assortment?

Bacardi, Captain Morgan, and Absolut are all very affordable. I've yet to meet a girl who dislikes rum & Coke. You'll need limes too. Good orange and cranberry juices, which mix well with vodka, are imported, so they're expensive. Best deal on imported lager is the 500 ML bottles of Tsingtao, which is a very good beer. Don't neglect getting a bag of ice from 7-11.

Snacks like tortilla chips with salsa, bean dip, cheese, and jalapeno peppers (careful w/ this, though) are easy to prepare. If you intend to have the girls spend the night you'll need easy-to-prepare breakfast of muesli, croissant, sliced fruits such as mango and pomelo, and assorted yoghurts. Elle & Vire is the best flavoured ones sold locally, and Greek yogurt can be found. Tea tags.

I have a German friend who does a yearly visit. He works at a department store and obtains a large assortment of small-sized perfume samples which the girls like. You can buy perfume sample lots on ebay and bring with you.

Sachets of shampoo and conditioner.

Also bring a tube of stain remover like Shout for spot cleaning bed linen.

KY Jelly is a bit expensive here.

[Wicked Roger]

KY Jelly is a bit expensive here.But essential so don't spare the pesos LOL.

[X Man]

You mean Tanduay isn't mouthwash?

I'm always amused by visitors who ask for a comb or brush. I'm bald and keep a very short beard. I haven't used either tool in over 15 years.

The GFE gals seem to like it when I help them wash their hair. I tell them I want to do this since I have no hair of my own to wash.

Some guys will do anything to get their hands on a naked woman in the shower. I call them perverts! I only do it to save water.


In addition to the other suggestions:

Red Horse and Tanduay (I have a such a stable of high quality girls).

Mouth wash.

Extra toothbrushes to give away.

Boxes of tissues.

[Golfinho]

In addition to the other suggestions:

Red Horse and Tanduay (I have a such a stable of high quality girls). Mouth wash.
Extra toothbrushes to give away. Boxes of tissues.Vagisil odor block female soap wash. Never seen product in Phils.

[Clear Water]

I have a German friend who does a yearly visit. He works at a department store and obtains a large assortment of small-sized perfume samples which the girls like. You can buy perfume sample lots on ebay and bring with you.

Also bring a tube of stain remover like Shout for spot cleaning bed linen.

KY Jelly is a bit expensive here.Great idea with the samples.

I usually don't wear much frangrance so the small little men's ones are a godsend.

The perfume girls in the Department stores here in Australia usually don't give you the samples unless you buy a lot of perfume.

Then they open up like flowers.

Lube tick.

Electric. Appliance (vibrator) tick.

Australian condoms tick.

Stockings and leggings tick.

Skimpy kini's tick.

Dick medicine tick but can get cheap anyways in Phil.

[MrWoolyBooly]

Thanks to all for the pre-arranged (and some bring with) supply tips. The only conclusion I can draw from the alcohol suggestions is to have one each of many inexpensive varieties available for lady guests to chose from. Tentative list for my condo arranger to work on next week:

- Toiletries for me.

- Toiletries for the ladies (including brush, combs, lotion, and tissues).

- KY, spare no expense.

- Lots of tasty foreign chocolates. I'm also partial to Cadbury but know the Pinays like their Toblerones and Hershey Kisses.

- Alcohol. One or two each of several different beverages: SML, Redhorse, Rum & Coke, Tanduay, anything else inexpensive for variety.

- Packaged or easily prepared snacks.

- Birth control pills. I prefer to bring condoms from home for best comfort and quality.

- A stack of extra towels.

- One Globe and one Smart sim card with load cards.

An enterprising hotelier or AirBnB host could sell at a profit the convenience of a "Malandi" (flirtatious / promiscuous) or "Malibog" (horny) welcome package. Is anybody from Sogo or Eurotel reading this?

[Member #4566]

Thanks to all for the pre-arranged (and some bring with) supply tips. The only conclusion I can draw from the alcohol suggestions is to have one each of many inexpensive varieties available for lady guests to chose from Ultimately the girls will more appreciate an enhanced gratuity at the end rather than the elaborate preparations that you have in mind. These girls are generally flexible and will be happy with whatever. Further, I have never met an alcoholic Filipina. They drink or not drink as you do.

[WestCoast1]

Ultimately the girls will more appreciate an enhanced gratuity at the end rather than the elaborate preparations that you have in mind. These girls are generally flexible and will be happy with whatever. Further, I have never met an alcoholic Filipina. They drink or not drink as you do.Concur with Pomp. Previously I would shop for gifts here, which cost me time and more money than shopping there. I still bring a specific quality performer a choice goodie. But mostly when a girl says "Did you bring pasalubong to me? I respond with: Did you want a chocolate bar, or we can go shopping for your fav chocolates, or a nice top or jeans maybe. Usually they choose the shopping. Else I go shop for chocolates in her city prior to her arrival. These things cost less there, and save space / weight in my luggage. Recently in the province I bussed in 3 girls from a neighboring province for a 2-night stint. In the past I've brought them panties or chocolates. This time I offered them a choice of a chocolate bar (which I didn't have, I had given the last one away the day prior), or shopping. They found a clothing store 2 blocks from the hotel and each chose a dress to wear for their Noche Buena; total cost for 3 dresses in the province was under p900, and everyone was thrilled.

[Member #4566]

Concur with Pompetus. They found a clothing store 2 blocks from the hotel and each chose a dress to wear for their Noche Buena; total cost for 3 dresses in the province was under p900, and everyone was thrilled.Keep the sales receipt else when your back is turned they will return the items for cash. I have had that happen. Give them the money in the first place.

[Goferring]

Ultimately the girls will more appreciate an enhanced gratuity at the end rather than the elaborate preparations that you have in mind. These girls are generally flexible and will be happy with whatever. Further, I have never met an alcoholic Filipina. They drink or not drink as you do.+1. Much better to let the girls know of / build up a reputation for generous tips for good performance.

I'm not sure the OP fully understands the connection between P4P and a sure thing. LOL. Sure you want the girls to be comfortable and receptive but dumping a heap of gifts on them can quickly define you as an easy mark. Poor performance and high expectations on her part soon follow.

[MrWoolyBooly]

Ultimately the girls will more appreciate an enhanced gratuity at the end rather than the elaborate preparations that you have in mind. These girls are generally flexible and will be happy with whatever. Further, I have never met an alcoholic Filipina. They drink or not drink as you do.I agree. This arrangement is all about convenience for me, not to lure companions. I hate shopping and have to get tons of work done while trying to squeeze in(to) as many friendly Pinays as I can. I like to stay near Burgos for a failsafe, usually from no-shows, but have found the dating sites and intros provide plenty. In Burgos, the gratuity trumps all, but being a non-jerk pays huge dividends in future meets and introductions. On the dating sites and introduced ladies, they pretend not to have fantasies of a wealthy foreigner to solve all their problems. Some older ones just want a guy who'll be respectful, and non-judgmental. I pretend they want me for my irresistible manliness. It's to dating like a buffet is to eating. We all part happy.

[Chocha Monger]

Maria Ozawa remains the favorite porn star of Pinoys.

MANILA Filipinos are among the world's top consumers of porn at No. 19, according to the 2014 year in review report by website Pornhub.

In terms of time spent watching porn, Filipinos even topped the list with an average visit duration of 12 minutes and 40 seconds, beating the Americans, who were second with 9 minutes and 40 seconds.

"As we previously reported, according to data from wearsocial. Sg, the Philippines outranked all other Asian-Pacific countries for time spent on the Internet each day (6+ hours) and clearly, a good amount of that time is being spent on Pornhub," the report said.

"Overall, Pornhub saw a whopping 78.9 billion video views through 2014, which considerably surpasses last year's 63.2 billion. Specifically, this breaks down to 18.35 individual visits to the site over the course of the year, translating to about 5800 visits per second," it added.

The United States remained the top source of traffic for Pornhub, followed by the United Kingdom and Canada.

In Asia, India topped all countries, climbing three notches to No. 4, while Japan was up a notch to No. 15. But the Philippines registered the biggest jump among Pornhub's Top 20 countries as it zoomed eight notches to make the list.

Japanese porn star Maria Ozawa remains the favorite adult performer among Filipinos, while Lisa Anne was this year's No. 1 ranked porn star overall.

Pornhub also reported that "teen" was the most searched term in the world both this year and last, while coming in at No. 2 was "lesbian. " Among Filipino users, however, the terms "Pinay" and "hentai" were the most searched terms.

The website also found out that Filipinos were most busy watching porn in December and least in January. Monday was the preferred day for porn-viewing among Pinoys but not Tuesdays.

The report also noted that 25% of Pornhub users in the Philippines are female the fourth highest in the Top 20, led by Brazil with 29%.

"Of particular note are the Philippines and Finland, both of which are home to populations featuring over a quarter of female Pornhub viewers. This is interestingly juxtaposed to the most recent Global Gender Gap Report compiled by the World Economic Forum, which reports Finland in 2nd place and the Philippines in 5th of all countries in the world as having most successfully closed the gender gaps. It looks like these countries are getting closer to sealing the same gap here too as far as porn is concerned!" the report said.

In terms of device used, more Filipinos (48%) now watch porn on their mobile phones compared to desktop computers at 38%. In 2013, more than half of Filipinos used desktops to view porn.

[Amanut]

If your bringing chocolates bring them in your carry on. On my last trip I put them in my suitcase and by the time I got to my room they were a melted mess from the heat there. They were still consumed, but to me they just looked like a pile of steaming doggy doo.

[MrWoolyBooly]

I've also experienced tampo first hand and it's a magnified version of wrong time of the month that can happen any time.May I ask the old hands who are not Filipino but have much experience with non-pros? How do you deal with this tampo stuff? Apologize for "whatever I did" and melt the ice? Move on immediately to others in the stable? Of course they're hoping for an apologize and ardent wooing, but I can't stand that passive aggressive stuff.

[Chocha Monger]

May I ask the old hands who are not Filipino but have much experience with non-pros? How do you deal with this tampo stuff? Apologize for "whatever I did" and melt the ice? Move on immediately to others in the stable? Of course they're hoping for an apologize and ardent wooing, but I can't stand that passive aggressive stuff.Cut them loose and move on to others in the stable. The whole point of providing compensation for their time is so you don't have to put up with nonsense like tampo. Leave the apologies and ardent wooing for mongers who are married to a pinay. The tampo only gets worse as time goes on and it is ridiculous to spend money to be in a hotel room or condo with someone determined to make you uncomfortable as possible. If she is passive aggressive, expect more personality defects and issues. Your time with her will be as much fun as being locked in a room with a rabid beaver.

[BrainDrain]

May I ask the old hands who are not Filipino but have much experience with non-pros? How do you deal with this tampo stuff? Apologize for "whatever I did" and melt the ice? Move on immediately to others in the stable? Of course they're hoping for an apologize and ardent wooing, but I can't stand that passive aggressive stuff.Recognise that it is a sign of immaturity. The more you get close to them, the more under-developed is their mind. It's a product of poor education and problematic society.

With two of the girls I have simply apologised and moved on with whatever we were planning to do. They have an incredibly short memory and soon get over it.

That being said, this does not apply to the intelligent and well educated girls.

[WestCoast1]

May I ask the old hands who are not Filipino but have much experience with non-pros? How do you deal with this tampo stuff? Apologize for "whatever I did" and melt the ice? Move on immediately to others in the stable? Of course they're hoping for an apologize and ardent wooing, but I can't stand that passive aggressive stuff.Most likely it won't matter what you do for the next 24-48 hours. Just leave her alone if she's your main squeeze (she will appear angry, sulk, and not look much in your direction, and pretend you don't exist). If you apologize, you *must* apologize for the right thing (even though she's not telling you what you did wrong). Pleading with her to tell you what you've done wrong won't help the situation. If you apologize for the wrong thing, then you have done 2 things wrong.

Better to lay low, or ditch her and get a different girl quickly.

[Dg8787]

Most likely it won't matter what you do for the next 24-48 hours. Just leave her alone if she's your main squeeze (she will appear angry, sulk, and not look much in your direction, and pretend you don't exist). If you apologize, you *must* apologize for the right thing (even though she's not telling you what you did wrong). Pleading with her to tell you what you've done wrong won't help the situation. If you apologize for the wrong thing, then you have done 2 things wrong.

Better to lay low, or ditch her and get a different girl quickly.Sounds like a typical relationship anywhere. I have been through a few of these in the homeland and no more for me. I like to butterfly around and clearly state I am a butterfly so there is no misunderstandings. Now sometimes the girl might think she can change me but that quickly comes to an end when I ask her if she has a sister or cousin for me.

I am too old to ask or let it bother me what a girl is upset about. It is not worth it to me. Then again I really don't have steady relationships.

Disclaimer: 50% of my girls work or worked in a bar. The other half were non working friends and family referred to me from them.

[Red Kilt]

Cut them loose and move on to others in the stable. The whole point of providing compensation for their time is so you don't have to put up with nonsense like tampo. Leave the apologies and ardent wooing for mongers who are married to a pinay. The tampo only gets worse as time goes on and it is ridiculous to spend money to be in a hotel room or condo with someone determined to make you uncomfortable as possible. If she is passive aggressive, expect more personality defects and issues. I don't always agree with CM but he is correct here.

Just move on when they try to pull it on you, despite what the books (and other posters here) say about tampo.

If they pull it on you and they see that it is affecting you they will double-down and enjoy the feeling of "power" they get.

It's an immature stunt pulled by uneducated women, and the more education they have, the less likely you are to experience it. If you mix with bargirls and uneducated and unemployed women from dating sites, you have to expect it.

I have never experienced it from my wife nor seen it in the filipinas that I work with.

[FreebieFan]

Am in total agreement with the views of most of the posters here.

Remember tho you have to differentiate between a fair fight where one of you messed up and has caused a problem to / for the other. In that case one of you will have to apologise or find some other way of moving after time has elapsed.

However the sudden silence that is lacking in cause, indicates a mood problem, and a problem caused by something or someone, or nothing and no one.

Why should a man apologise or do the " honey, what's wrong " thing for something that was neither initiated, caused or in any way created by him. Thats for newbies.

Best solutions, as referenced by my learned colleagues is to equally go silent / go out and enjoy life as normal and that means no messaging her, or open the door, nod at her, nod at her suitcase. She will generally fold like a pack of cards.

Filipinas by nature are immature with a low IQ and low social EQ, at least among those that we mongers romp with.

The tampo attack is an attempt to gain some power in a relationship and should be rebuffed at the first signs of it. As with all of us here, we have probably learned from experience.

[GoodEnough]

I don't always agree with CM but he is correct here.

Just move on when they try to pull it on you, despite what the books (and other posters here) say about tampo.

If they pull it on you and they see that it is affecting you they will double-down and enjoy the feeling of "power" they get.

It's an immature stunt pulled by uneducated women, and the more education they have, the less likely you are to experience it. If you mix with bargirls and uneducated and unemployed women from dating sites, you have to expect it.

I have never experienced it from my wife nor seen it in the filipinas that I work with.Agreed. I think it's largely correlated to education and maturity levels. I've never experienced it in the workplace and surely never at home. If and when it does occur with young, immature bar girls, better just to move on after ignoring it completely.

GE.

[Rubio Tonto]

You mean Tanduay isn't mouthwash?

I'm always amused by visitors who ask for a comb or brush. I'm bald and keep a very short beard. I haven't used either tool in over 15 years.

The GFE gals seem to like it when I help them wash their hair. I tell them I want to do this since I have no hair of my own to wash.

Some guys will do anything to get their hands on a naked woman in the shower. I call them perverts! I only do it to save water.I like to stand behind them and hold their tits in the shower while they wash their hair. I tell them I'm holding their susu to keep the susu safe, or so their susu don't run away. This always gets a giggle in response, or if it's a girl that I've done many times, a "hay nako!

[Omega 3]

I like to stand behind them and hold their tits in the shower while they wash their hair. I tell them I'm holding their susu to keep the susu safe, or so their susu don't run away. This always gets a giggle in response, or if it's a girl that I've done many times, a "hay nako!Yet another approach is to train the young women to lather and wash and rinse you, while you lean back and relax in the shower or in the tub. That way, they can personally make sure that you are clean! Plus, of course, they need to towel you dry afterward, and then proceed to other hedonistic activities.

If you have two ore more at a time, they can share or divide the tasks. Depends on your management style and personal preference.

It's tough being a trainer / manager in the Philippines, but someone's got to do it!

OM.

[D Cups]

Maybe you are lucky, RK, and they probably curtail for obvious reasons at work. My buddy in the states married a Filipina RN (American educated) and he gets tampoed a lot. Real bad. After she goes into a fit for no reason (or small reason) she sometimes takes off for several days not telling him where she or when she returns. There's always two sides to a story but her reaction / tampo / fit is hardly appropriate. Another Canadian friend of mine is living with his Filipina GF in the Dominican Republic and he goes through more or less the same thing. Perhaps it is just pent up emotion from being sweet 98% of the time. The social psychologists could have a field day with this topic. Buyer beware.


It's an immature stunt pulled by uneducated women, and the more education they have, the less likely you are to experience it.
I have never experienced it from my wife nor seen it in the filipinas that I work with..

[D Cups]

What a great idea, Tonto. You are commended for your selfless display of safety in the shower hahahahaah.


I like to stand behind them and hold their tits in the shower while they wash their hair. I tell them I'm holding their susu to keep the susu safe, or so their susu don't run away. This always gets a giggle in response, or if it's a girl that I've done many times, a "hay nako!.

[Rubio Tonto]

What a great idea, Tonto. You are commended for your selfless display of safety in the shower hahahahaah.

.Thank you. I'm only trying to help.

[Roll Aides]

Maybe you are lucky, RK, and they probably curtail for obvious reasons at work. My buddy in the states married a Filipina RN (American educated) and he gets tampoed a lot. Real bad. After she goes into a fit for no reason (or small reason) she sometimes takes off for several days not telling him where she or when she returns. There's always two sides to a story but her reaction / tampo / fit is hardly appropriate. Another Canadian friend of mine is living with his Filipina GF in the Dominican Republic and he goes through more or less the same thing. Perhaps it is just pent up emotion from being sweet 98% of the time. The social psychologists could have a field day with this topic. Buyer beware..If you get tampo'd, and put up with it, it's you own fault. Full stop.

Yes Filipinas have a unique cultural pattern of abysmal behavior. Or at least a significant segment of them do, obviously not all. Regardless, that pattern comes down to seeing what they can get away with, a favorite sport of women everywhere and perhaps nowhere more than here. Point is, if you let it fly, it's on you. Stop that shit the first time you see it and you won't see it again. A simple but firm statement that marching orders will be issued without regret if it continues clears the whole thing up, one way or another.

[MrWoolyBooly]

One day 2. 000 pesos. 15 Days, 30.000 pesos.This forum has lots of info on short duration (<24 hours) pricing. But for medium term (2 days to a month) arrangements I still struggle with budgeting accurately. Longer duration (1 month plus) becomes more like any relationship with expenses foreseen and unforeseen. For these medium term arrangements, I've had hotties just happy to stay with me doing the rabbit dance every spare moment. Other times, I've had truly mercenary hotties but with specific pricing for all-inclusive service up front. One recent pricing experiment I offered was "500 pesos every time you make me pop" over several days. When I was busy she just lounged around watching Pinoy TV or chatting. I was unfair to her, though, because several times I drained the DNA tank elsewhere. I compensated with a bonus (added 3 k over 3 days) that made her happy when she left. Many ladies are willing to just live in for the period, usually offering to cook. I'm skeptical of their cooking skills, but if nothing else they can make the food run for me to a nearby restaurant. They seem to be prefer keeping me satisfied and living in relative comfort in the absence of a sugar daddy or real job. Sometimes ladies I date (plain old dinner and movie dates) come back to my place for fun, then just keep coming back. On the more expensive end, I've paid 5 k per day for some of the best I've found. In such cases, they were non-pros reluctant to provide what I wanted at any price, and quasi auction discussion ensued. Somewhere there's a formula that includes the guy's looks and charm, plus time spent persuading, plus money offered, plus the girls looks and enthusiasm, plus the current supply competion, plus the current demand volume, plus alcohol consumed, etc. that will result in a market price. I haven't figured it out yet. Some cheeky economics grad student could write a thesis on the topic.

[Mr Enternational]

If you get tampo'd, and put up with it, it's you own fault. Full stop.

Yes Filipinas have a unique cultural pattern of abysmal behavior. Or at least a significant segment of them do, obviously not all. Regardless, that pattern comes down to seeing what they can get away with, a favorite sport of women everywhere and perhaps nowhere more than here. Point is, if you let it fly, it's on you. Stop that shit the first time you see it and you won't see it again. A simple but firm statement that marching orders will be issued without regret if it continues clears the whole thing up, one way or another.Well a lot of guys are so controlled by pussy (even pussy that they are paying for) that they do not realize this. There is no way I am going to sit around and get higher blood pressure and more problems with a woman than I would have without one. When a chick thinks she is going to bring her whole family along in order for you to foot the bill you can not be afraid to tell them no. I had a great girl in Cebu with her own nice house, treated me like a king, and she would not take 1 piso from me. But she started that bullshit of trying to start arguments when there was nothing to argue about and I had to give her walking papers. The same way that I found that one, I can find another.

[WestCoast1]

SNIP But she started that bullshit of trying to start arguments when there was nothing to argue about and I had to give her walking papers. The same way that I found that one, I can find another.


SNIP that will result in a market price. I haven't figured it out yet. Some cheeky economics grad student could write a thesis on the topic.That's a good report. But for the reason ME stated above (I can find another -- quickly), I am not interested in 'the going rate'. I have an established set of rates (different in different cities), and I'm not concerned if that is above / at / below the going rate. I'm not interested if this or that girl's opinion of my rate. The true test: Does she return -- repeatedly? Its the only test. If a girl is unhappy with my rate, she will either tell me directly or not return. In either case, I'm suggesting to her that she visit moveon. Org (no hard feelings sweetie). Nnnnnnext!

[Roll Aides]

Well a lot of guys are so controlled by pussy (even pussy that they are paying for) that they do not realize this. There is no way I am going to sit around and get higher blood pressure and more problems with a woman than I would have without one. When a chick thinks she is going to bring her whole family along in order for you to foot the bill you can not be afraid to tell them no. I had a great girl in Cebu with her own nice house, treated me like a king, and she would not take 1 piso from me. But she started that bullshit of trying to start arguments when there was nothing to argue about and I had to give her walking papers. The same way that I found that one, I can find another.Precisely sir, well said.

[Roll Aides]

That's a good report. But for the reason ME stated above (I can find another -- quickly), I am not interested in 'the going rate'. I have an established set of rates (different in different cities), and I'm not concerned if that is above / at / below the going rate. I'm not interested if this or that girl's opinion of my rate. The true test: Does she return -- repeatedly? Its the only test. If a girl is unhappy with my rate, she will either tell me directly or not return. In either case, I'm suggesting to her that she visit moveon. Org (no hard feelings sweetie). Nnnnnnext!I would argue that replacability is the true genius of the Pinay. After all, if you can't get more, then you're stuck with what you've got. At their option.

I would love to see a published list of your rates Westie. Is it too much to ask? Surely the mongering world would benefit from this data.

[MrWoolyBooly]

I would love to see a published list of your rates Westie. Is it too much to ask? Surely the mongering world would benefit from this data.In theory if enough of us agreed on established rates and held our ground we'd create an effective buyer's cartel to hold down pricing. Unfortunately, there will always be enough sex-starved visitors with cash arriving and alcohol served to create price volatility on short-term arrangements. For the long term or repeat return foreigner in country interested in cash deals, I can't think of a better system than Mr Coast's "set rates that my budget and desires support and stick with 'em". Even a lower than market rate (having no idea whether Mr Coast's rates are above / at / below market rate) would ensure a steady stream of pleasing ladies in temporary straits. I'm guessing that an above market rate would lure some that would otherwise not consider a deal, increasing the pool of applicants. Who knows. Any research economists on this board are invited to contribute.

[Omega 3]

That's a good report. But for the reason ME stated above (I can find another -- quickly), I am not interested in 'the going rate'. I have an established set of rates (different in different cities), and I'm not concerned if that is above / at / below the going rate. I'm not interested if this or that girl's opinion of my rate. The true test: Does she return -- repeatedly? Its the only test. If a girl is unhappy with my rate, she will either tell me directly or not return. In either case, I'm suggesting to her that she visit moveon. Org (no hard feelings sweetie). Nnnnnnext!Westie hit the nail on the head. True market price is the price at which a willing buyer and willing seller will intersect (pun intended) and is not fixed in stone.

Market price will vary depending on the buyer (how desperate or how jaded, how young and attractive or how old and pangit), the seller (how beautiful or attractive or how bored and uninterested), the location (Burgos St or Daram Island), the time (just before quitting' time? On New Year's Eve? Or perceived competition (I. E, How many Koreans or other well-heeled or more attractive buyers are you bidding against at the time) and a myriad of other factors (pheromones, etc). It is actually not "one size fits all" (although either the buyer or the seller can just set a price and declare that it is non-negotiable and then just wait for an acceptable taker).

I remember reading about the first US troops in Italy immediately after WWII, who wanted local female services. The Italian ladies, who could not speak English, would hold up 3 fingers to quote a price. US troops would shake their heads negatively and hold up just one finger. No deal, until one desperate Italian lass finally accepted, and then was shocked to receive US $1 for services rendered. The Italian women had been quoting 3 cents each. Needless to say, from that day, market value was set at $1 and soon went up. The US troops were horny, and could afford to pay.

Also, illustrates something I have noticed over many years. Westerners in general and American men in particular tend to significantly overvalue the price of tail in Asia, and to overpay for this plentiful item which can be found everywhere. Maybe cause these men have been so effectively brainwashed (aka p-whipped) by female-dominated society back home?

Especially in underdeveloped provincial areas here, have found young women, who have never had contact with foreigners, who regard sex as a basic human function (like sneezing or peeing or defecating). They are surprised to learn that there can be a substantial premium for sex, as opposed to just being paid at "minimum wage rates" for their time, including sexual services. However, they learn very quickly and never look back.

Just one man's observations and thoughts.

OM.

P.S. Just for general reference purposes, the prevailing general minimum wage in Cebu City today is around Php 360 per day, meals not included. Lower in less developed provinces / areas.

[WestCoast1]

I would love to see a published list of your rates Westie. Is it too much to ask? Surely the mongering world would benefit from this data.RA: I will PM you. I tend to get in trouble when I post those. Without giving specific details, pay close attention to Omega's words below.


Westie hit the nail on the head. Right back atcha, good hammer use there big boy.


True market price is the price at which a willing buyer and willing seller will intersect (pun intended) and is not fixed in stone. You wouldn't go into a sporting or business event without analyzing your opponent, would you? The US Superbowl is today. If you were a linebacker for one of the teams, you would not only study film of the opposing team, you would do your best to visualize in your head what the opposing quarterback is seeing thru his helmet on each passing play, so you could anticipate his passes. Right? Yet when I chat with gents about their mongering, 99% of them view the thing thru their eyes only. Thinking that getting a young beautiful pinay for x000 pesos is a great deal compared to your home country is the equivalent of not studying your opponent. Failure to understand the seller's state of mind (her expectations) is fine if you're in a hurry (weekend warrior). However that just leads to Omega's WWII story. Caveat: I, too, am on occasion not in the mood to dicker or find out if I can get her for a lower rate, and for the sake of convenience, I just pay more (I don't always care if I'm paying too much).


I remember reading about the first US troops in Italy immediately after WWII, who wanted local female services. The Italian ladies, who could not speak English, would hold up 3 fingers to quote a price. US troops would shake their heads negatively and hold up just one finger. No deal, until one desperate Italian lass finally accepted, and then was shocked to receive US $1 for services rendered. The Italian women had been quoting 3 cents each. Needless to say, from that day, market value was set at $1 and soon went up. The US troops were horny, and could afford to pay. Great story. Watching it play out for some time in asia.


Also, illustrates something I have noticed over many years. Westerners in general and American men in particular tend to significantly overvalue the price of tail in Asia, and to overpay for this plentiful item which can be found everywhere. Maybe cause these men have been so effectively brainwashed (aka p-whipped) by female-dominated society back home? Concur. In listening to men in various places (AC, Makati, Cebu) talk about how much they give, you can tell they think they are getting a steal-of-a-deal when they get a girl for x000 pesos for a night (when in fact she gives herself to other gents for (x-3)000 pesos.


Especially in underdeveloped provincial areas here, have found young women, who have never had contact with foreigners, who regard sex as a basic human function (like sneezing or peeing or defecating). They are surprised to learn that there can be a substantial premium for sex, as opposed to just being paid at "minimum wage rates" for their time, including sexual services. However, they learn very quickly and never look back.

SNIP

P.S. Just for general reference purposes, the prevailing general minimum wage in Cebu City today is around Php 360 per day, meals not included. Lower in less developed provinces / areas. And half that in the provinces. Many province girls have no idea that their pussy gives some premium, they view spending a night with me as about the same amount of work they would do on a regular job (8-12 hours), and they expect nothing more than the standard prevailing wage. In addition they often view it as having extra benefits over her local boyfriend: live band, aircon, restaurant meals, a real bed.

[Omega 3]

Is there such a thing as a bona-fide real-life "fountain spraying" squirter (female) in the Philippines?

Have never encountered any in real life. Put this on my "bucket list" years ago, and, in search of the holey grail, have asked literally hundreds of Filipinos. Their responses, without exception, are that this is just a myth, a computer generated "special effect".

"And as his strength / Failed him at length / he spied a pilgrim shadow. / Shade, said he / Where can it be / This lass of shiofuki"?

OM.

[SaltyPete]

Is there such a thing as a bona-fide real-life "fountain spraying" squirter (female) in the Philippines?

Have never encountered any in real life. Put this on my "bucket list" years ago, and, in search of the holey grail, have asked literally hundreds of Filipinos. Their responses, without exception, are that this is just a myth, a computer generated "special effect".

"And as his strength / Failed him at length / he spied a pilgrim shadow. / Shade, said he / Where can it be / This lass of shiofuki"?

OM.Female ejaculation is the expulsion of fluid by the paraurethral ducts through and around the human female urethra during or before an orgasm. It is also known colloquially as squirting or gushing, although these are considered to be different phenomena in some research publications. The exact source and nature of the fluid continue to be a topic of debate among medical professionals, which is also related to doubts over the existence of the G-spot.

One of the mysteries of the Universe, I guess. I had a gusher in Thailand.

[Wolvenvacht]

Westie hit the nail on the head. True market price is the price at which a willing buyer and willing seller will intersect (pun intended) and is not fixed in stone.

(. . .)

Especially in underdeveloped provincial areas here, have found young women, who have never had contact with foreigners, who regard sex as a basic human function (like sneezing or peeing or defecating). They are surprised to learn that there can be a substantial premium for sex, as opposed to just being paid at "minimum wage rates" for their time, including sexual services. However, they learn very quickly and never look back.

Just one man's observations and thoughts.

OM.

P.S. Just for general reference purposes, the prevailing general minimum wage in Cebu City today is around Php 360 per day, meals not included. Lower in less developed provinces / areas.We all complain about these relatively high prices, yet most of us gladly pay extortionate prices for brand-name shoes and such.

I will happilly pay an Asian SYT a nice sum of money than fill the treasuries of Nike and co.

[Red Kilt]

Is there such a thing as a bona-fide real-life "fountain spraying" squirter (female) in the Philippines?
Yes. I met one in 2010 from Caloocan (a Manila 'hood).

She was embarrassed about it but I reassured her it was OK by me, especially as we were using an ST hotel to meet.

I no longer have contact with her. The gusher was her main attraction for me and I soon tired of it.

So OM, the squirter is not a myth, but they are few and far between I guess. Keep playing the odds and one day your numbers might line up.

[Omega 3]

Yes. I met one in 2010 from Caloocan (a Manila 'hood).

She was embarrassed about it but I reassured her it was OK by me, especially as we were using an ST hotel to meet.

I no longer have contact with her. The gusher was her main attraction for me and I soon tired of it.

So OM, the squirter is not a myth, but they are few and far between I guess. Keep playing the odds and one day your numbers might line up.Thanks for your report and encouragement, RK. You are a lucky man. There seem to be quite a few gushers (shiofuki) in Japanese AV, but, as you say, few and far between in Phils. Hope to sample one before I croak. If not, probably won't care at that point.

Cheers!

OM.

P.S. Maybe I should go and ask Maria Ozawa for guidance when she is in Manila?

[Hutsori]

So OM, the squirter is not a myth, but they are few and far between I guess. Keep playing the odds and one day your numbers might line up.It's not a myth, but not all girls can do so. The main hang up I found is when the novice girl gets close she chickens out because she thinks she's going to p33.

1) Before starting make sure she uses the toilet. Even if she has little to empty from her bladder is helps to empty her mind of thoughts later that she's going to p1$$.

2) Put towels on the bed. This helps prevent the mattress from getting soaked and also reassures her.

3) Keep your fingernails very short and file them to get rid of a sharp edge. Even better are the curved dildos specifically designed to hit the G-spot. It's not uncommon for a Pinay to not even know about the G-spot. There are many good instructional videos online.

4) Don't dive right in with G-spot massage. Get her warmed up and turned on in the way that works for her, be it neck, breasts, whatever.

5) A gush is a release without the projected force. Kind of like a spilled glass of water. I find this is more common than the squirt. I've yet to come across one who can squirt more than a few inches, and nothing like that in videos. I'm not saying extinguish the towering inferno doesn't happen, but, again, some girls have an idea that it's the correct one. Then they get discouraged.

[Crazy4Thai]

One of the mysteries of the Universe, I guess. I had a gusher in Thailand.I had one in Thailand too just about a month ago. I can remember 4 of them total in my lifetime. 2 were regular girlfriends. One ruined my futon mattress with mass quantities. The first one I ever had happened when I was in my mid twenties and it was a one time thing. She would not let me go down on her but would not say why. When she got on me to ride I soon found out. The one in Thailand immediately responded to me lightly spanking her pussy and she had a world class event and apparently not related to her g-spot.

[FreebieFan]

So OM, the squirter is not a myth, but they are few and far between I guess. Keep playing the odds and one day your numbers might line up.No its not. I had one once and in 9 months of meeting and getting horizontal it only happened 2 or 3 times and when it happened the girl was mortified until I showed her that its quite normal, just rare. Indeed its a bit like the lottery, never know when it going to happen. . and I only had once since then. As rare of hens teeth, or white rhinos or clean air in Beijing.

[Mr Enternational]

Is there such a thing as a bona-fide real-life "fountain spraying" squirter (female) in the Philippines?From your question you want to know if anyone knows of any Pinay that are squirters? You are not asking if squirters really exist.

I have never had a Pinay that could squirt. But my lifetime tally is 2 Thais, 2 Mexicans, 1 Peruvian, 2 Brazilian, 2 Colombians, 2 Black Americans, 1 White American. The Brazilians, Thais and 1 of the Colombians were hookers.

[Omega 3]

From your question you want to know if anyone knows of any Pinay that are squirters? You are not asking if squirters really exist.

I have never had a Pinay that could squirt. But my lifetime tally is 2 Thais, 2 Mexicans, 1 Peruvian, 2 Brazilian, 2 Colombians, 2 Black Americans, 1 White American. The Brazilians, Thais and 1 of the Colombians were hookers.You are right, ME.

I know the "theory" and have read the articles and ads for "educational" materials which seem to make squirting (or inducing squirting) sound relatively easy. But, over many years and after knowing many women in the Phils, have never actually met (or even heard of) a Pinay squirter in real time, and just wondered why not.

Thanks for all the encouraging posts from various "old hands" - impressive!

OM.

[Questor55]

Guys,

If it makes you feel better to pay more, by all means, enjoy doing so. I have no problem finding attractive, skilled, non pros, eager to repeat at 500 P for ST. Sometimes I will take one to a beach resort and pay 1 K per day. Again, absolutely no problem finding young babes very willing to accept. Those who insist on paying international rates are economic Neanderthals. When related to wages in the city, or especially in the provinces, the amount I am prepared to pay is considered generous.

[BrainDrain]

One of the most insightful experiences that I have is setting up a (second) fake account to chat with a Cebu girl that I am getting involved with. I am sure some readers will judge harshly.

Usually I will casually make contact via this new account in a different way, perhaps being introduced through a friend of a friend or through a dating site. Sooner or later the friend suggestion will appear on their FB feed and they accept.

Over the past month my fake profile has developed a daily small chat with this pinay I'm spending a lot of time with. Recently while I was in PI I thought I would apply some pressure testing to see what I could learn.

Scenario 1: While I was at my desk working, she is sitting watching TV. She wants to see the fake guy on webcam but need to turn off my sound so her 'family' does not know I'm chatting her. As she calls me on chat video, I walk over and join her on the couch. She quickly kills the call.

Scenario 2: I plant the seed that on Friday I will be at work near Ayala. No other info given. Amazing to have conversations with her and understanding how she arranges her time. Sometimes she will chat to real me and just ignore the suitor profile for days. Gently she is also checking that my work plans have not changed.

Scenario 3: One afternoon I decide to go for a 'sleep' in a different room while she is at the table. She agrees to a video chat with this fake profile but she asks for a delay. OK, to my surprise she enters the room where I am 'sleeping', goes to the bathroom and CR. Then shuts my bedroom door and goes back to the table for the video call. As the call is connecting I leave my phone in the bed and go to join her on the couch as she had 'awoken' me. She kills the call. But I am shocked, now she has freshly applied lipstick and new strapless shirt. What's up Babe? Oh, just thought we should go out she says.

Scenario 4: So the seed I plant in Scenario 2 starts to approach and yes I'll still be at work. She follows through to plan to meet this fake guy. I even now have a fellow monger whom will meet her at Margarita Station at the scheduled time while I'm at work. In discussion with my fellow man he helps me realize that knowledge is power and to exposing this girl would only kill the relationship. Basically nothing to gain. Change my work plans and spend my time with her enjoying each other. She is happy to burnoff the guy with some lame excuse. We had a wonderful time together and amazing to see how she can focus.

Lessons:

We all know that these girls need more than our casual visits each few months and accept that they will meet others.

I was amazed at how much mis-direction she can put into a conversation (ie I'm sitting across the table from her, but to her fake friend she says she is "in a trike".

Some of the mis-direction was not needed but it was amazing to see how consistent she was at it.

This actually built my trust in her, she is very picky and choosy. Not meeting every guy and in fact took me 2 profiles to get her closer. She is strict on her rules.

There was nothing to gain by exposing her, she's just doing what she wants and for much of it is 'entertainment'. She amuses herself by misleading DIA contacts.

In the end, she really played with me as without prompting she confessed it all to me one evening.

I also have this running with another of my provincial girls with whom I am supporting. Amazing to see that she was in real life in the middle of last week's earthquake and she's now homeless. But to the fake profiler she was at 200 kms away safe with her family. That misdirection was amazing and she wasn't looking for sympathy at all. I don't understand that one.

So, from a learning perspective I do suggest that this be done. I would not bother to do it unless you are physically present with them as he majority of my learnings happened through observation.

Sorry if this offends anyone.

BD.

[FreebieFan]

One of the most insightful experiences that I have is setting up a (second) fake account to chat with a Cebu girl that I am getting involved with. I am sure some readers will judge harshly.

Usually I will casually make contact via this new account in a different way, perhaps being introduced through a friend of a friend or through a dating site. Sooner or later the friend suggestion will appear on their FB feed and they accept.

Over the past month my fake profile has developed a daily small chat with this pinay I'm spending a lot of time with. Recently while I was in PI I thought I would apply some pressure testing to see what I could learn.

Scenario 1: While I was at my desk working, she is sitting watching TV. She wants to see the fake guy on webcam but need to turn off my sound so her 'family' does not know I'm chatting her. As she calls me on chat video, I walk over and join her on the couch. She quickly kills the call.

Scenario 2: I plant the seed that on Friday I will be at work near Ayala. No other info given. Amazing to have conversations with her and understanding how she arranges her time. Sometimes she will chat to real me and just ignore the suitor profile for days. Gently she is also checking that my work plans have not changed.

Scenario 3: One afternoon I decide to go for a 'sleep' in a different room while she is at the table. She agrees to a video chat with this fake profile but she asks for a delay. OK, to my surprise she enters the room where I am 'sleeping', goes to the bathroom and CR. Then shuts my bedroom door and goes back to the table for the video call. As the call is connecting I leave my phone in the bed and go to join her on the couch as she had 'awoken' me. She kills the call. But I am shocked, now she has freshly applied lipstick and new strapless shirt. What's up Babe? Oh, just thought we should go out she says.

Scenario 4: So the seed I plant in Scenario 2 starts to approach and yes I'll still be at work. She follows through to plan to meet this fake guy. I even now have a fellow monger whom will meet her at Margarita Station at the scheduled time while I'm at work. In discussion with my fellow man he helps me realize that knowledge is power and to exposing this girl would only kill the relationship. Basically nothing to gain. Change my work plans and spend my time with her enjoying each other. She is happy to burnoff the guy with some lame excuse. We had a wonderful time together and amazing to see how she can focus.

Lessons:

We all know that these girls need more than our casual visits each few months and accept that they will meet others.

I was amazed at how much mis-direction she can put into a conversation (ie I'm sitting across the table from her, but to her fake friend she says she is "in a trike".

Some of the mis-direction was not needed but it was amazing to see how consistent she was at it.

This actually built my trust in her, she is very picky and choosy. Not meeting every guy and in fact took me 2 profiles to get her closer. She is strict on her rules.

There was nothing to gain by exposing her, she's just doing what she wants and for much of it is 'entertainment'. She amuses herself by misleading DIA contacts.

In the end, she really played with me as without prompting she confessed it all to me one evening.

I also have this running with another of my provincial girls with whom I am supporting. Amazing to see that she was in real life in the middle of last week's earthquake and she's now homeless. But to the fake profiler she was at 200 kms away safe with her family. That misdirection was amazing and she wasn't looking for sympathy at all. I don't understand that one.

So, from a learning perspective I do suggest that this be done. I would not bother to do it unless you are physically present with them as he majority of my learnings happened through observation.

Sorry if this offends anyone.

BD.Good story. They lie. They lie regularly. As do we. We shouldn't be surprised they know how to play us whilst we think we are playing them.

[Mr Enternational]

But, over many years and after knowing many women in the Phils, have never actually met (or even heard of) a Pinay squirter in real time, and just wondered why not.Yesterday in AC I met a guy whose first time it is in PI. Before coming to AC, he spent days in Makati hanging around Burgos. He was shocked at how cheap AC was in comparison. He told me a story and showed me pictures of 2 chicks that he took from there the night before. He said one of the chicks asked his permission to squirt. Beginner's luck I guess. Wish I would have asked more info about the girl to pass on.

[Omega 3]

Yesterday in AC I met a guy whose first time it is in PI. Before coming to AC, he spent days in Makati hanging around Burgos. He was shocked at how cheap AC was in comparison. He told me a story and showed me pictures of 2 chicks that he took from there the night before. He said one of the chicks asked his permission to squirt. Beginner's luck I guess. Wish I would have asked more info about the girl to pass on.Ha ha, good one ME.

Keep on trucking, my fellow monger.

OM.

[BrainDrain]

Good story. They lie. They lie regularly. As do we. We shouldn't be surprised they know how to play us whilst we think we are playing them.Yes, we do need that and it is good to remember that the girls will do whatever they need to survive in this developing country. That I was able to see and hear the lies and the cover-ups was an amazing experience for me.

Do be cautious because the truth does hurt. For me, I already am happy to accept my place, as a visitor, in this amazing country.

This ruse took the following:

1 x Facebook account
1 x free email account
2 x different dating site accounts

and now has 20-30 other hotties in the pipeline

I know it's not allowed on this site but I'm willing to offload these accounts as I no longer have a use for them.

BD.

[MrWoolyBooly]

Sorry if this offends anyone.

BD.Greetings, Mr Drain. IMHO Facts can't offend. They can irritate, enrage, or disconcert, but not offend. Except the already imbalanced. Excellent observations. We males tend to think our lady companions are somehow less promiscuous than we, but statistically it must be roughly a wash.

[Wimble]

Yes, we do need that and it is good to remember that the girls will do whatever they need to survive in this developing country. That I was able to see and hear the lies and the cover-ups was an amazing experience for me.

Do be cautious because the truth does hurt. For me, I already am happy to accept my place, as a visitor, in this amazing country.This might appear twice. Remember the Eagles. Lyin' Eyes? I think most of the SYTs are 1/2 to 1/3 the age of some their sponsors. In reality, they have ambitions and dreams. Ignorance is bliss. Better to not peek behind the curtain and break the magic. Think best to turn a blind eye and live in the present and in the dream. My 2 cents.

[Kurre]

Yes, we do need that and it is good to remember that the girls will do whatever they need to survive in this developing country. That I was able to see and hear the lies and the cover-ups was an amazing experience for me.

Do be cautious because the truth does hurt. For me, I already am happy to accept my place, as a visitor, in this amazing country.Just looking for a (better) opportunity, was the answer I got from my Thai girlfriend a few years back. As I had my suspicions of this "good" Thai lady, working for a well-known university in Bangkok, I had set up multiple accounts at Thai Cupid and baited her until she responded. She began to miss our scheduled chats and meets and made excuses while using the time to build a connection with a fake, better looking and better-off me. It was partly an entertaining but certainly most enlightening experience to see how her mind worked. Finally, when confronted, she defended herself by stating the necessity of a lady in Thailand needing to ensure the best possible future for herself and her family (only middle class in Bangkok).

I am sure this applies to the Philippines as well.

The truth did hurt as I had invested in this quite a lot of time and traveling, but it also taught me not to take anything from a SEA lady at face value. And maybe to allow the "weaker" sex the same privileges I am enjoying: if you have an itch, you have to scratch it.

I eventually broke up with her but letting my ego take a hit or two gave me a more realistic view of the passing nature of most of the relationships we enjoy.

[Wimble]

Finally, when confronted, she defended herself by stating the necessity of a lady in Thailand needing to ensure the best possible future for herself and her family (only middle class in Bangkok).

I am sure this applies to the Philippines as well.

The truth did hurt as I had invested in this quite a lot of time and traveling, but it also taught me not to take anything from a SEA lady at face value. And maybe to allow the "weaker" sex the same privileges I am enjoying: if you have an itch, you have to scratch it.

I eventually broke up with her but letting my ego take a hit or two gave me a more realistic view of the passing nature of most of the relationships we enjoy.I hope you don't think this is unique to SEA lady. Where I come from, I see it a lot. Hence the easy to lead a lady astray. Some girls like the social media play as they like reading romance novels. There is a reason for the high divorce rate in Western countries and an interesting news article (fake news?) about the rather high percentage of questionable biological father in some families in the UK.

IMHO, girls want to play around as much as guys in general. They dream of their prince or knight in shining armour.

[Kurre]

I hope you don't think this is unique to SEA lady. Where I come from, I see it a lot. Hence the easy to lead a lady astray.You are right. I was seeing a married lady here in Europe back in 2012 who, I later heard, had me and five other lads "on call" to service her when hubby left town. She was good looking, smart and loved anal. She was good at juggling guys as during our affair, which lasted about three months, I never suspected she had other extramarital relationships than me. I only found out because when we hooked up for one night about six months later, she got drunk and started bragging about it.

[Wimble]

I was seeing a married lady here in Europe back in 2012 who, I later heard, had me and five other lads "on call" to service her when hubby left town.Yeah. Married women are real easy; like shooting fish in a barrel. Several I know are willing share their hubby closest and dearest; the sports car. Go figure.

[SaltyPete]

Yeah. Married women are real easy; like shooting fish in a barrel. Several I know are willing share their hubby closest and dearest; the sports car. Go figure.There is an interesting mating selection that goes on in the animal kingdom and anthropologists have proposed it accounts for infidelity in humans as well; it is based on the female only being able to reproduce every nine months, and the male able to reproduce several times a day.

A fertile female sorts potential mates in to one of two groups: Baby Givers and Baby Raisers.

The Baby Givers / sperm donors are the type of male that displays characteristics of healthy genes: good hair and complexion, square chin, broad shoulders, symmetrical facial attributes. Sperm donors know they are in demand and impregnate as many females as possible; thus there is no incentive for them to hang around to protect their offspring. Their genetic propagation rests in the quantity of babies they've produced. With safety in numbers, some will survive.

Baby Raisers are males that are not in demand for breeding; so if they get selected by a female they tend to stick around. Their genetic propagation lies in taking good care of the one or two children they (think they've) fathered.

The female will find a sperm donor to impregnate her, while using a baby raiser to protect, shelter and rear the offspring (which may not even be his). Thus the female gets the best of both worlds. A healthy, attractive baby that will also be taken care of, ensuring the propagation of her genes.

I'm not saying everyone acts like this. Some may not even be aware that their infidelity is ingrained through natural selection. But I imagine it happens more than people think / realize it does.

I wonder what percentage of ISG members are Sperm Donors, and what percentage are frustrated Sperm Donor wannabees like me.

"You and me aint nothing but mammals, so let's do like they do on the Discovery Channel".

[MrWoolyBooly]

The female will find a sperm donor to impregnate herHow to get loads of earthshaking, nutdraining sex with a Pinay? Step 2: Tell her "Promise you'll marry me if you get pregnant. " Step 1: Get a vasectomy.

[Wimble]

The female will find a sperm donor to impregnate her, while using a baby raiser to protect, shelter and rear the offspring (which may not even be his). Thus the female gets the best of both worlds. A healthy, attractive baby that will also be taken care of, ensuring the propagation of her genes.IMHO, most ISG members are the latter. A lot of pinays being bragged on the board have a child. As some have already pointed out, we get the sloppy seconds.

[Wimble]

I later heard, had me and five other lads "on call" to service her when hubby left town.There is George Clooney movie Up in The Air. The femme fatale was similar.

[Chocha Monger]

IMHO, most ISG members are the latter. A lot of pinays being bragged on the board have a child. As some have already pointed out, we get the sloppy seconds.More like sloppy thirds and fourths. I have noticed a lot of middle-aged mongers marrying pinays with two or three bastard kids and taking them back to the USA. I guess some guys just like having Shake and Bake families. Maybe shouldering the financial burden of raising some random Filipino guys' kids makes them feel like heroes. A lot of Western men suffer from the savior complex. Some of them even enjoy being cuckolded and seek out more virile men to stud their wives. The cuckold then carries out clean up duties on wife's pussy with his tongue.

[X Man]

Oh, please!


More like sloppy thirds and fourths. SNIP The cuckold then carries out clean up duties on wife's pussy with his tongue.

[Wimble]

More like sloppy thirds and fourths. I have noticed a lot of middle-aged mongers marrying pinays with two or three bastard kids and taking them back to the USA. I guess some guys just like having Shake and Bake families. Maybe shouldering the financial burden of raising some random Filipino guys' kids makes them feel like heroes. A lot of Western men suffer from the savior complex. Some of them even enjoy being cuckolded and seek out more virile men to stud their wives. The cuckold then carries out clean up duties on wife's pussy with his tongue.LMAO! I think the Western world suffers from the savior / hero complex. Reading too many Marvel Comics / Graphic Novels in their youth / adulthood. Most are especially generous with other people's money; like our past president. Was walking with a pinay back to my hotel when her BF called. Real eye opener for me.

[Wicked Roger]

The cuckold then carries out clean up duties on wife's pussy with his tongue.If you wish to meet one of these please let me know as they exist and is a different experience for some LOL (but the guys like it).

[WestCoast1]

Was walking with a pinay back to my hotel when her BF called. Real eye opener for me.Was the boyfriend pinoy or foreigner? I've had the great joy of listening to at least a dozen (or two) of these calls with foreigner boyfriends. Sometimes the girl will try and hide in the CR, the kitchen, or just pull the covers up over her head while in the bed next to me while she chats away with her mahal Robert or Mark. What better time to start dining at the DATY? Later: "Oh Westy you is BAD!" Yes love. Or very GOOD.

[Wimble]

Was the boyfriend pinoy or foreigner? I've had the great joy of listening to at least a dozen (or two) of these calls with foreigner boyfriends. Sometimes the girl will try and hide in the CR, the kitchen, or just pull the covers up over her head while in the bed next to me while she chats away with her mahal Robert or Mark. What better time to start dining at the DATY? Later: "Oh Westy you is BAD!" Yes love. Or very GOOD.Unfortunately, they were my compatriots. (I can kind of heard bits and pieces) I don't want to screw up their arrangements either but, man, it does kill the mood.

[Goferring]

Was the boyfriend pinoy or foreigner? I've had the great joy of listening to at least a dozen (or two) of these calls with foreigner boyfriends.My favorite is the guys that get wind of their girl friend's playing around when they're away and rather than get rid of the girl they marry and import them to suburbia.

I've lost count of the number of times I've returned from a holiday with a special friend and after a couple of weeks she is preparing passports and wedding plans to someone who believes he can "save" her.

[X Man]

She dashed out of our beach front love cottage. I knew what it was. I tried to respect her privacy, but the end of the call was pretty clear and in English, "I love you too".

I told her how hurt I was. She sucked my sausage in repentance. Moalboal.


Was the boyfriend pinoy or foreigner? I've had the great joy of listening to at least a dozen (or two) of these calls with foreigner boyfriends. Sometimes the girl will try and hide in the CR, the kitchen, or just pull the covers up over her head while in the bed next to me while she chats away with her mahal Robert or Mark. What better time to start dining at the DATY? Later: "Oh Westy you is BAD!" Yes love. Or very GOOD.

[WestCoast1]

I told her how hurt I was. She sucked my sausage in repentance. Moalboal.That's a good pentance. "Listen sweetie. You'll have to do this once for *every* boyfriend you have, local or poriner".

[MrWoolyBooly]

I instances of communications failure that you recounted are funny and we've all run into them. On the other hand, I've also have some great surprises, finding girls who were not only intelligent, but whose English was quite good. So in that case, I suppose it's all in the luck of the draw.
GE.It's also hard to know how much to attribute to our poor or non-existent Tagalog or Visaya or Ilokano or Tausug or whatever language skills.

[BrainDrain]

Was the boyfriend pinoy or foreigner? I've had the great joy of listening to at least a dozen (or two) of these calls with foreigner boyfriends. Sometimes the girl will try and hide in the CR, the kitchen, or just pull the covers up over her head while in the bed next to me while she chats away with her mahal Robert or Mark..The current filipina in my bed I need to take to Western Union later to pickup the allowance from her BF. It screws with my brain but oh so good. He has very good taste in girl and she will be a beautiful life partner. She just needs sex more often than once every six months when he visits.

[BrainDrain]

I know we often talk about the GFE and how Filipinas will deliver on this. One lesson I learned on my most recent trip is the Filipinas' penchant for fun.

With all of my life hassles, mortgages, kids, university fees, loans, commitments, appointments it's easy to forget that for the 21 year old filipina, no kids, she just wants to have fun. This will include lots of baiting me to break my serious thoughts, lots of practical jokes etc. Possibly childish, possibly it just comes from not having so many problems. Happy days.

BD.

[Mr Enternational]

With all of my life hassles, mortgages, kids, university fees, loans, commitments, appointments it's easy to forget that for the 21 year old filipina, no kids, she just wants to have fun. This will include lots of baiting me to break my serious thoughts, lots of practical jokes etc. Possibly childish, possibly it just comes from not having so many problems. Happy days.So we have more money and more problems. They have less money and less problems. Are we in a sense giving them more problems when we give them money? Or is there a sweet spot when money and problems are at a balance? The more you have, the more you have to lose.

[Dg8787]

So we have more money and more problems. They have less money and less problems. Are we in a sense giving them more problems when we give them money? Or is there a sweet spot when money and problems are at a balance? The more you have, the more you have to lose.Our problems of more money and more problems are all in the mind. Their problems of less money is all about survival problems. Trade places for a month. The more you have the more you have to spend or give.

[WestCoast1]

Are we in a sense giving them more problems when we give them money? Or is there a sweet spot when money and problems are at a balance? The more you have, the more you have to lose.Its an interesting take. A few months ago I saw a post in FB from a Filipino (the brother of one of my regulars). He re-posted a thing that said something *like* this: "No money is worth stress in your life. If your job or boss or teachers are causing you stress then you should leave. Quality family time is more important than your job or college. Living with stress is not the pinoy way". I wish I had screen captured it and posted it here. The message is in direct contradiction of the western way of life: Production (better work product, better grades, competition, efficiency) means everything (and time = money). I wanted to send a PM to the poster, but as he does not know me in FB and he might figure out that his sister has been happily banging me for 4 years, I walked away. I'm not saying the western or pinoy view is 'right'. I am saying that many foreigners don't see the cultural difference.

More than one mature pinay has pointed out this contradiction to me. "You foreigner treat your time like it is measured in gold. Its bad". And: "When you are working (often I'm working online while on vacation) around me you are a different person. Crazy serious. When you are not working you are yourself. Did you know that you are two different persons at different times? Its not healthy". A provincial pinay (age 21) said something similar to me: "Why don't you be yourself when you trabajo? You are other guy then". I tried to point out that the world of my work is filled with productions and time constraints, but she's never had work, so it didn't set in with her. Her friends who do have jobs do simple tasks, and are not usually graded on the job by sales amounts or production quotas. When the whistle blows to end the shift, they drop the world of their work and go home to the world of family and friends. For those of us in salaried positions, that may not be possible, the work follows us home, and in our mind all the time (personnel problems, finished products, efficiency problems, etc). A larger paycheck begets a larger responsibility to the company.

In talking to a provincial regular last year, I asked if she was able to find work. She's been trying. She said there was work in a shopping area, full-time, and she applied, waiting to hear. She complained that the pay is p180/ day for 8 hours (the going rate). She is unsure if she should take the job if it becomes available, too many hours for too little pay. I asked if she would take it if the pay was p250/ day. "Yes!" A step further: Would you take it for p250/ day, but at 60 hours per week. She thought for a minute. "Then work every day? No day off?" Well, 8 hours for 6 days (48 hours), and 12 hours for the 7th day. "No!" Why not? Its great money for you and your family. "No time to family. Never do that. Mother need me little sister need me. No. Work 12 hours in Sunday then no church even". There you have it. Where I would consider 60 hours in a week to be paltry (I rarely work a week with so few hours), pinoy might consider it to be prohibitive. Even if she were to take the better pay for longer hours (60) and make a lot more money each week, she might find that the money disappears as quickly as if she took the 40-hour job.

[D Cups]

If your job or boss or teachers are causing you stress then you should leave. Quality family time is more important than your job or college. Living with stress is not the pinoy way"..Hi WC and Mr. E. No wonder the PI and other third worlds never prosper. I've been seeing this cute 21 year old Cebuana two or three times a year since she was 18 who despite my urging does not hold a job for more than a month. She's the eldest of five sisters with the next eldest a 20 year old already with two babies. Poppa died last year. Momma doesn't work either. She's in a tough predicament but refuses to stay employed. Maybe she's got 10 or 20 other Western Union sugar daddies like me I dunno. I told her I worked while going to school starting at age 14 but that doesn't seem register. I'm all for family and family time but how can they have any quality time being broke all the time? Some work is better than no work in my Western mind.

[D Cups]

Yes, BD, it is one their endearing qualities that keep them (and their Western boyfriends) young regardless of age. They are lots of fun even outside the bed.


it's easy to forget that for the 21 year old filipina, no kids, she just wants to have fun. This will include lots of baiting me to break my serious thoughts, lots of practical jokes etc. Possibly childish, possibly it just comes from not having so many problems. Happy days.

BD..

[Ms Account]

A girl (call her Miss T) I have known for 3 years who previously was a sponsorship arrangement but in recent years was just a pay per meet arrangement. Last month she says "congratulations I am pregnant and you are the father". So she brings along her ultrasound which has an estimated conception date based upon foetus size which is 3 weeks after we last met (2 weeks if you assume sperm can survive 1 week before conception). I prove based upon my hotel bookings I was not in the Philippines when she conceived. She denies of course and plays the I am irresponsible and I need to support her and her baby for the rest of her life. The result was a stalemate but I agreed to pay her medical costs until birth and then we would take a DNA test. Just this month I meet a new chatmate. She is telling me about her Czech boyfriend that got her pregnant and discontinued communication after he found out. We are both agreeing this is irresponsible and she is asking me can she pursue him for an allowance which I responded it would be difficult. I was not interested in this girl and was about to wrap up our coffee meeting when she tells me what suburb she is from (which is the same suburb as Miss T). As it turns out she is a friend of Miss T and tells me Miss T is pregnant to her Filipino BF and they live in an apartment paid for by her German BF and she has two other foreigners she meets (presumambly I am one of those two). On parting I gave her a large donation for meeting upon which she responded that is too much. I assured her I was happy meeting her (not telling her she had saved me thousands of pesos).

Ahh the complicated situations we can get ourselves into.

[Travv]

Better hope your special friend doesn't get reamed by VAWA (Violence Against Women Act) - I understand that the Captain Save-A-Hos get to sign a financial responsibility pledge when the import them to the USA and are also vulnerable to false abuse charges which under VAWA earns their wife immediate citizenship papers. Giving chicas presents and gifts like cell phones or candy is one thing; risking jail and divorce in the USA by marrying them and bringing them to the Feminist States of America are a whole different kettle of fish.


My favorite is the guys that get wind of their girl friend's playing around when they're away and rather than get rid of the girl they marry and import them to suburbia.

I've lost count of the number of times I've returned from a holiday with a special friend and after a couple of weeks she is preparing passports and wedding plans to someone who believes he can "save" her.

[Omega 3]

A girl (call her Miss T) I have known for 3 years who previously was a sponsorship arrangement but in recent years was just a pay per meet arrangement. Last month she says "congratulations I am pregnant and you are the father". So she brings along her ultrasound which has an estimated conception date based upon foetus size which is 3 weeks after we last met (2 weeks if you assume sperm can survive 1 week before conception). I prove based upon my hotel bookings I was not in the Philippines when she conceived. She denies of course and plays the I am irresponsible and I need to support her and her baby for the rest of her life. The result was a stalemate but I agreed to pay her medical costs until birth and then we would take a DNA test.

Ahh the complicated situations we can get ourselves into.MA,

Welcome to the club!

Previously have been apprised of paternity several times, but each time, the subsequent DNA test indicated a statistical impossibility (99+% unlikely, as I recall). In each case, was persuaded to pay for support until after birth and until DNA test proved otherwise.

All good, and all part of the learning experience. Actually, truth be told, was disappointed, because wanted to be the natural father. Guess it's a little late now.

LOL,

OM.

P.S. Understand that there is a pre-birth DNA test, but don't know if available in Phils and at what cost?

[Wicked Roger]

So she brings along her ultrasound which has an estimated conception date based upon foetus size which is 3 weeks after we last met (2 weeks if you assume sperm can survive 1 week before conception). I prove based upon my hotel bookings I was not in the Philippines when she conceived. She denies of course and plays the I am irresponsible and I need to support her and her baby for the rest of her life. The result was a stalemate but I agreed to pay her medical costs until birth and then we would take a DNA test. J

She is telling me about her Czech boyfriend that got her pregnant and discontinued communication after he found out. We are both agreeing this is irresponsible and she is asking me can she pursue him for an allowance which I responded it would be difficult. IAhh the complicated situations we can get ourselves into.Happened to me many years ago and the lady in question produced a hand written note to show she was pregnant with dates that were nowhere near my arrival / departure plus followed up with a message from the 'nurse' (who was in fact her sister but who also was a nurse in reality). The 'document' was so unconvincing that it would be funny if not sad. She was in fact just needing cash and was not pregnant at all. Once I pointed out basic facts then the charade stopped and I never heard from her again (well blocked her etc).

As for the Czech guy perhaps there is a way as I know of another cutie last year pregnant by an Italian / Aussie mix lad who did same. She went to the Embassy and has his name placed on the birth certificate and asked the Embassy to find him etc. DNA tests etc would then be done.

I also know of a guy in Cebu who can do DNA tests for a fee and this is easy done plus the samples are sent and tested at a reputable institute. PM if you need the details. As he has helped a few friends from the board with this in the past.

[Member #4558]

A girl (call her Miss T) I have known for 3 years who previously was a sponsorship arrangement but in recent years was just a pay per meet arrangement. Last month she says "congratulations I am pregnant and you are the father". So she brings along her ultrasound which has an estimated conception date based upon foetus size which is 3 weeks after we last met (2 weeks if you assume sperm can survive 1 week before conception). I prove based upon my hotel bookings I was not in the Philippines when she conceived. She denies of course and plays the I am irresponsible and I need to support her and her baby for the rest of her life. The result was a stalemate but I agreed to pay her medical costs until birth and then we would take a DNA test. Just this month I meet a new chatmate. She is telling me about her Czech boyfriend that got her pregnant and discontinued communication after he found out. We are both agreeing this is irresponsible and she is asking me can she pursue him for an allowance which I responded it would be difficult. I was not interested in this girl and was about to wrap up our coffee meeting when she tells me what suburb she is from (which is the same suburb as Miss T). As it turns out she is a friend of Miss T and tells me Miss T is pregnant to her Filipino BF and they live in an apartment paid for by her German BF and she has two other foreigners she meets (presumambly I am one of those two). On parting I gave her a large donation for meeting upon which she responded that is too much. I assured her I was happy meeting her (not telling her she had saved me thousands of pesos).

Ahh the complicated situations we can get ourselves into.This is not located to "your" suburb as the "I am preggy and you are the father" happens all over the phils all the time. These girls are just doing their job and try to hook anyone to sponsor up their pregnancy/baby/extended "pamily"/pinoy boyfriend(mostly the real father)or just fill in any blanks i forgot. If she was filled up by, lets say 10 (to be modest) punters in a month time, all 10 will get the same "I am pregnant, you are the father" routine. This frase has spread throughout phils. Quite a few suckers out there paying for someone elses baby. So don't become the sucker(many i would guess think you are allready paying her medical as she partly allready succeeded in her tactics or did you stop due to being warned ms T playing the regular tactics which phil and its girls are so known from?)..

I stopped counting the times I got the frase myself. I am snipped so I am known to shoot dead spermias inside my girls lovecanal. For fun I do not tell upfront (in most cases). When I answer the mentioned standardfrase with "I am snipped" info they mostly go all "oh" on me.

But make no mistake, if I got a girl pregnant I would step up as I would never leave a child in a third world shithole no matter what. DNA DNA DNA. You can take DNA test after 12 weeks of pregnancy. That ends every speculations.

[Bamboo Pete]

But make no mistake, if I got a girl pregnant I would step up as I would never leave a child in a third world shithole no matter what. DNA DNA DNA. You can take DNA test after 12 weeks of pregnancy. That ends every speculations.I had this situation several times too and I asked at one of those diagnostic centers near friendship, how much a paternity test costs. They quoted 14 K. I told the girl that I'm ready to make a test and I will pay it if I'm the father, but if I'm not, I won't pay it and she needs to bring 14 k. None of them came.

[Dg8787]

DNA testing is really expensive in Philippines at 14 k plus. I have no idea why, other than express mailing of test swabs to USA and possibly other taxes involved. VAT tax of 12% would not jack the price up to 14 k. Most if not all tests are done out of the country like sent to USA. Last year I did pay 14 k plus an additional 2 k for my test swabs done in America. The girl and baby did their swab test in AC and the swabs were sent to US lab. They mailed the test kit to me from US and I mailed it back to DNA testing center in US. Really don't know why the extra cost of 2 k but it got me wondering.

I searched online and found the same company and LAB doing the DNA test for $119 or say 6000 pesos! They send you the test kit with instructions on obtain swabs along with a return envelope. Test results are emailed to you within 7-10 days upon receipt of swabs. On my last recent trip to Philippines a friend of mine asked me to get swab tests from a girl and baby of whom claimed he was the father. I did get the swabs and sent it to him upon my return to US. He sent them in with his swab test and the lab confirmed he was the father.

If I might suggest that you get your test kit in America and either bring it back with you or have someone send it to you or her in Philippines. By the way I had used FedEx to overnight some business papers from Phil to US and the costs was around $30! Apparently the cargo planes go back half empty is why it is much cheaper as it was explained to me.

I believe you can use the same DNA company in other countries like Australia according to their web site.

[Dg8787]

If you are the father, an American on social security then the monthly baby support will costs you nothing out of your pocket. As I understand it, a part of your SS benefits are monthly payments for your minor children until he or she reaches the age of 18. You will need to register your child born abroad at the Manila US Embassy, do DNA testing, obtain passport and SS number for child and notify SS.

If the deceased DS had done this before his kids would not be starving now.

[Member #4566]

A girl (call her Miss T) The result was a stalemate but I agreed to pay her medical costs until birth and then we would take a DNA test.I wouldn't pay a peso until you have some proof.

I remember the time when the PI did not have its own DNA lab and I had to send the swabs to a lab in Texas. Now there are several which you can find easily online. Some tests can be done in utero. I would rescind my offer to pay until the DNA test and if you are interested, link payment to expanded paternal rights. As an example, will she let the child be raised by your childless younger sister back home?

[Ms Account]

...... Quite a few suckers out there paying for someone elses baby. So don't become the sucker(many i would guess think you are allready paying her medical as she partly allready succeeded in her tactics or did you stop due to being warned ms T playing the regular tactics which phil and its girls are so known from?)........ DNA DNA DNA. You can take DNA test after 12 weeks of pregnancy. That ends every speculations.Thanks guys for all the feedback including the info on DNA testing. I didn't know you could test pre-birth. So far my commitment to pay medical costs has only cost me 5000 pesos and as mentioned in my heading of "I should buy a lotto ticket" my great luck was to meet Miss T's friend. So fortunately now my problem is solved and I don't need to tackle the DNA testing options. To be honest last month I was totally de motivated about continuing in the Philippines. I feel more motivated now. But the lies and deceit I have encountered over the last few years has made me slightly jaded. But likewise it works both ways. I hear multiple times of guys promising marriage then taking a girls virginity then disappearing. Or running when they have impregnated a girl. So both sides are as guilty.

[Dg8787]

Thanks guys for all the feedback including the info on DNA testing. I didn't know you could test pre-birth. So far my commitment to pay medical costs has only cost me 5000 pesos and as mentioned in my heading of "I should buy a lotto ticket" my great luck was to meet Miss T's friend. So fortunately now my problem is solved and I don't need to tackle the DNA testing options. To be honest last month I was totally de motivated about continuing in the Philippines. I feel more motivated now. But the lies and deceit I have encountered over the last few years has made me slightly jaded. Maybe I will recount some of the stories for another post.*I wouldn't let a few lies ruin my Phil adventures. Out of probably 40+ girls that had my number or way to contact me over the years I have had maybe 4-5 girls try to scam me.

A few did for small amounts and I got better at detecting them. 5-6 did have real family emergencies like hospitals or funerals. For hospital emergencies I ask where is the hospital and family members name. Then I search online for the hospital and call to verify the patient. Also I have them send copies of hospital receipts. Some are good at making up receipts at the Internet cafes. I caught one fake hospital bill because the hospital did not exist on an internet search and they used the AC zip code for a Rona's City location. LOL.

Usually the legit request will provide you with all the info you request. The scam will accuse you of calling them a liar and rush you.

Sometimes the scams are quite entertaining.

[Member #4558]

A friend of mine filled up a pinay some time ago and got DNA tests done at St Lukes 5 months into the pregnancy (it was his kid). After this he started to donate the girl and baby 30 k a month plus he rents them a nice condo in a Makati high rise. Where I come into the picture, is that I am regular phil visitor. I was the one got him into the DNA test and now I am to blame (I am jaded I know) making him worry the pinay taking all the money and ship it back to her "pamily" and leave very little for the child wellbeing. Since I started this I ended up with bringing some small items from my friends homecountry to give to the baby and girl. And it was a planned surprise visit(quite a contradiction there but try to ukderstand, the girl didnt know ofcourse, hehe)..

I am stereotyping quite a lot when it comes to pinays so I was sure I would find an underfed child, the girls pinoy BF, loads of leads she is cheating etc etc. I must say I was pleasently surprised finding a wellfed baby, tons of babytools / items / clothes (cool omes too), milkpowder to 2 k php a pk (she can not breastfeed), a lullaby singingmachine, a cat etc etc. The girl even had bankstatements, written diary from when the baby was born (provided from St Lukes), an unused CC, printed A4's with all theirchathistory etc etc. Hell she even had saved up quite an ammount from my friends cash. She showed me everything. Not a single sign of any cheating, just a typical normal girl loving her child and I must say probably also my friend. I guess I must lower my stereotyping a tad. This was the final test and baby and girl is ready for the embassy shuffle to get the baby my friends citizenship / passport / social security number (all in one application). Embassy requires the baby is registered into my friends country offical gvmnt system (claim fatherhood), mom and baby have to take a DNA test at the embassy. When that's done and the baby gets the passport its moms turn and she will probably, most likely the same day, get a family reunion VISA stamped into her passport at the embassy as they are authorized to decide this themself. Then she and baby can travel to my friends country to start their new happy pappy pamily thing. My friend was not their when the child was born and even so it would have been illigate child. His name is not on the birthcertificate. The only thing his country cares about is that he claims fatherhood and not the phil certificatesometimes. These things goes well it seems. Its not all trainwrecks stories.

[GoodEnough]

These things goes well it seems. Its not all trainwrecks stories.Not always, and with enough perseverance. I had a friend who had his own forum on this board, and who died several months ago, leaving 4 or 5 children behind who had never been registered with his embassy. However, with the help of one of his family members who provided a DNA sample, his daughter was recently able to procure a passport and a certificate of foreign birth registration. She'll be traveling to his country to begin her university studies this spring. So again, sometimes things end well.

GE.

[WestCoast1]

However, with the help of one of his family members who provided a DNA sample, his daughter was recently able to procure a passport and a certificate of foreign birth registration. She'll be traveling to his country to begin her university studies this spring. So again, sometimes things end well. GE.Yesssssssssssssssssssss!

[Wicked Roger]

Not always, and with enough perseverance. I had a friend who had his own forum on this board, and who died several months ago, leaving 4 or 5 children behind who had never been registered with his embassy. However, with the help of one of his family members who provided a DNA sample, his daughter was recently able to procure a passport and a certificate of foreign birth registration. She'll be traveling to his country to begin her university studies this spring. So again, sometimes things end well.

GE.Good news GE and I know you played a part in this with some behind the scenes advice etc so more kudos to you, hopefully the others can be helped similarly.

[Omega 3]

Not always, and with enough perseverance. I had a friend who had his own forum on this board, and who died several months ago, leaving 4 or 5 children behind who had never been registered with his embassy. However, with the help of one of his family members who provided a DNA sample, his daughter was recently able to procure a passport and a certificate of foreign birth registration. She'll be traveling to his country to begin her university studies this spring. So again, sometimes things end well.

GE.GE,

Good show! Thanks for sharing.

OM.

[WildHawk]

Hat tip to the poster (s) who have cited this fine NGO, of which I fear I am luring myself into becoming its next chief executive. I have fallen hard for a young Filipina SW met recently in Hong Kong, where she's doing the usual visa run; believe it's her second tour of duty, but who knows. Anyhow, as you've guessed it, Wildhawk is mad for this girl, thinking to see her again in Manila during a trip to Asia from the USA next month. I love everything about her, except her, if you know what I mean. It could be owing to her youth, her good English (likely acquired through a lot of Wan Chai dick-tation from Westerners). We've been doing the FB messaging, no mention of money (which she would only get for performance; I am half hoping that she broaches the subject so that I will jolt myself out of the crazy feelings and X her out of my life). She just mentioned that she had shown our messaging to a friend. "my friend like u". Which, naturally, makes the cynic in me wonder whether they are just comparing potential marks. The girl got a bit honked off when I submitted that I would not want to spend 5 hours of airplane /3+ airport time each way (from PEK) only to have her be a no-show in MNL, and that the Phils would not necessarily be my first choice of a destination if it were not for her. Instead of taking the compliment she went full-Duterte, as if I were impugning the reputation of her fine country. Now, in the end, Wildhawk is a big boy and could make do on his own, there or in AC. The routing would be a bit of a *****, as it's ORD-PEK (layover) -KMG in southwestern China, the focal point of the trip. I will be needing to pull the trigger on an air ticket, as prices in Southeast Asia are rising by the minute as we head to summer. So, in the end, I am soliciting advice. I could just do KMG to BKK, a two-hour flight each way and easy, but I just returned from Patts and really the Thailand trips (five in 10 years) will probably soon be drawing scrutiny. Another option is Bali, or Phnom Penh. Or go through to the extreme and change my booking for a layover in PEK and then add air to MNL. Sorry, this shit is sounding like I'm talking to a travel agent. Please forgive.

[Dg8787]

Hat tip to the poster (s) who have cited this fine NGO, of which I fear I am luring myself into becoming its next chief executive. I have fallen hard for a young Filipina SW met recently in Hong Kong, where she's doing the usual visa run; believe it's her second tour of duty, but who knows. Anyhow, as you've guessed it, Wildhawk is mad for this girl, thinking to see her again in Manila during a trip to Asia from the USA next month. I love everything about her, except her, if you know what I mean. It could be owing to her youth, her good English (likely acquired through a lot of Wan Chai dick-tation from Westerners). We've been doing the FB messaging, no mention of money (which she would only get for performance; I am half hoping that she broaches the subject so that I will jolt myself out of the crazy feelings and X her out of my life). She just mentioned that she had shown our messaging to a friend. "my friend like u". Which, naturally, makes the cynic in me wonder whether they are just comparing potential marks. The girl got a bit honked off when I submitted that I would not want to spend 5 hours of airplane /3+ airport time each way (from PEK) only to have her be a no-show in MNL, and that the Phils would not necessarily be my first choice of a destination if it were not for her. Instead of taking the compliment she went full-Duterte, as if I were impugning the reputation of her fine country. Now, in the end, Wildhawk is a big boy and could make do on his own, there or in AC. The routing would be a bit of a *****, as it's ORD-PEK (layover) -KMG in southwestern China, the focal point of the trip. I will be needing to pull the trigger on an air ticket, as prices in Southeast Asia are rising by the minute as we head to summer. So, in the end, I am soliciting advice. I could just do KMG to BKK, a two-hour flight each way and easy, but I just returned from Patts and really the Thailand trips (five in 10 years) will probably soon be drawing scrutiny. Another option is Bali, or Phnom Penh. Or go through to the extreme and change my booking for a layover in PEK and then add air to MNL. Sorry, this shit is sounding like I'm talking to a travel agent. Please forgive.Travel agents? Heck try writing to Dear Abby first. Possibly attend a few AA meetings also before you write.

Please, exactly what are you asking?

[Member #4566]

Once a girl has crossed the line, she is transformed and there is no going back. You can't make a virgin out of a mother, you cannot unscramble an egg, you cannot reform a ho. You are succumbing to some obsession / compulsion. Wake up! You must extricate yourself immediately. Run! You are headed to some yet unknown tragedy. I have seen it many times. Be strong.

[Geneva Guy]

Just griping here.

On the iPhone, you can set someone's email to be VIP, meaning that when the person sends an email the other person's phone "dings" to let them know that one of their VIPs has sent a message. Now me, I don't use it, but I have one filipina that does, and when I send a message in 25 seconds she replies. If it say "OK " to her message. She replies. I asked her "you have that phone taped to your chest".

Same with Viber, you can set it so that the person sending the messages doesn't know that the receiver has read the messages. I have a filipina I chat with, and when we chat, it is long and boring stuff, and I can't stand it. She has her viber set up so I can see the message was delivered (meaning she is online) but hasn't read it yet, even when she HAS read it. This makes for more long boring chats, as I send messages that show up as 'delivered" an sign off, and then get pepperred with her silly replies. So I just started ignoring them and reply when the mood hits me.

Both of them are good fucks by the way hahahaha.

Just some pissing and moaning from me here.

GG.

[WestCoast1]

Both of them are good fucks by the way hahahaha.

Just some pissing and moaning from me here.

GG.Maybe this will help. Same half-pint from #8633, and getting doggied in 8626. The girl taking the pics in #26 captured some magical moments, including this pic. The half-pint was having an explosively sexual night, mostly exploding on me. In this pic she had jumped on top, originally on her knees (#37) but later she stopped and squatted on her feet (seen here). She was rocking up / down in short, 1 inch strokes, as fast as she could. Her eyes were mostly closed, and sometimes when they opened they were divergent or rolled up in her head, then she would close them. I wasn't terribly horny at this point, I was just the wood she was using to explode.

Some days you get the bear. Some days the bear gets *you*. I should have felt cheap and used. Well, I didn't feel cheap. . .

[Dg8787]

Not always, and with enough perseverance. I had a friend who had his own forum on this board, and who died several months ago, leaving 4 or 5 children behind who had never been registered with his embassy. However, with the help of one of his family members who provided a DNA sample, his daughter was recently able to procure a passport and a certificate of foreign birth registration. She'll be traveling to his country to begin her university studies this spring. So again, sometimes things end well.

GE.Good job GE. I am wondering if the family member is helping with the registration and passport of the other siblings?

[GoodEnough]

Good job GE. I am wondering if the family member is helping with the registration and passport of the other siblings?The family is willing to help all of them. The problem is that there's substantial documentation and related paperwork that must be completed by the mothers, some of whom can't cope with it. Then, there's the $350 per test cost of the DNA analysis, plus a required trip or two to the embassy in Manila. These factors collectively are a daunting obstacle to some of them, and I doubt that the process will be completed, with the exception of one mother / son who live in Davao. The problems associated with this whole mess are significantly worse than what I've indicated above, but I don't really feel comfortable sharing all of it publicly. Suffice it to say that in the end, I believe only two of the children will wind up with citizenship.

GE.

[Chocha Monger]

A lot of elderly mongers have plans to retire to the Philippines and settle down with a much younger Filipina to a life of bliss. However, being married to a Filipina or living with one is entirely different from flying in a couple times a year to fuck a few or several Pinays before returning to the safety of home.

A 74-year-old Aussie expat described 15 years of matrimonial hell married to a younger Filipina. He recounted his experience from the comfort of the chicken house where he lived with his four children. His troubles began with his Pinay wife's ever increasing demands for more money. When he resisted her demands she used his children as a gun to his head, warning him that if he did not hand over the cash, the children would suffer. After that no longer worked, she waited until he was weakened by illness. Then she knocked him down and kicked the shit out of him like a wounded dog. She beat the tar out of him until he was within an inch of death, and he was only saved when her father intervened to drag her off him.

She then disappeared, abandoning the elderly Aussie expat and his kids after refusing to sign off on permission for him to take the kids with him back to Oz. He was left with a heart condition, three crushed vertebrate and a hernia which limited his mobility. The Australian embassy offered to evacuate him back to Oz but he was unwilling to abandon his Flip kids. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvHmKBPC1LQ.

[Dg8787]

A lot of elderly mongers have plans to retire to the Philippines and settle down with a much younger Filipina to a life of bliss. However, being married to a Filipina or living with one is entirely different from flying in a couple times a year to fuck a few or several Pinays before returning to the safety of home.

A 74-year-old Aussie expat described 15 years of matrimonial hell married to a younger Filipina. He recounted his experience from the comfort of the chicken house where he lived with his four children. His troubles began with his Pinay wife's ever increasing demands for more money. When he resisted her demands she used his children as a gun to his head, warning him that if he did not hand over the cash, the children would suffer. After that no longer worked, she waited until he was weakened by illness. Then she knocked him down and kicked the shit out of him like a wounded dog. She beat the tar out of him until he was within an inch of death, and he was only saved when her father intervened to drag her off him.

She then disappeared, abandoning the elderly Aussie expat and his kids after refusing to sign off on permission for him to take the kids with him back to Oz. He was left with a heart condition, three crushed vertebrate and a hernia which limited his mobility. The Australian embassy offered to evacuate him back to Oz but he was unwilling to abandon his Flip kids. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvHmKBPC1LQ.Are you saying this is the norm?

This happens in every country.

What are the facts? How much money was demanded? Was it for food to feed the kids? Sensational bs story!

[Mr Enternational]

Are you saying this is the norm?

This happens in every country.Seems like that was the point; not to get your hopes up thinking it will be any different than anywhere else. Shit could just as well turn out to be worse.

Then too I could never feel sorry for a guy like this. When the first inkling of bullshit rears its head the man needs to check it. If not, then this story is an example of what can happen when it gets out of hand and goes too far. To his detriment, he decided to put his foot down a little late.

A couple of years back I asked why guys just don't say no when a chick brings all those people to dinner and expects him to pay for it? Someone answered because they are afraid they will miss out on the pussy if they put their foot down. Can't be afraid guys. It is nothing to go back and get another one the same place you got that one. But I guess some guys want to be a part of a beautiful fairy tale just as much as women do.

[Torsk999]

A lot of elderly mongers have plans to retire to the Philippines and settle down with a much younger Filipina to a life of bliss. However, being married to a Filipina or living with one is entirely different from flying in a couple times a year to fuck a few or several Pinays before returning to the safety of home.

A 74-year-old Aussie expat described 15 years of matrimonial hell married to a younger Filipina. He recounted his experience from the comfort of the chicken house where he lived with his four children. His troubles began with his Pinay wife's ever increasing demands for more money. When he resisted her demands she used his children as a gun to his head, warning him that if he did not hand over the cash, the children would suffer. After that no longer worked, she waited until he was weakened by illness. Then she knocked him down and kicked the shit out of him like a wounded dog. She beat the tar out of him until he was within an inch of death, and he was only saved when her father intervened to drag her off him.

She then disappeared, abandoning the elderly Aussie expat and his kids after refusing to sign off on permission for him to take the kids with him back to Oz. He was left with a heart condition, three crushed vertebrate and a hernia which limited his mobility. The Australian embassy offered to evacuate him back to Oz but he was unwilling to abandon his Flip kids. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvHmKBPC1LQ.Yes you can't buy real love.

[MrWoolyBooly]

The nation mourns its loss, Malacanang Palace declares.

Cheema, have some resilience. Finding high-end model-type girls is easier said than done. How many model equivalents want a face full of spooge for p4000 to p6000? Most of the girls around are 4's to 6's, and 7's and 8's are attainable with some work and luck. Model types, by my definition, are the genuine 9's and 10's, such as those one sees on the cover of fashion zine and in adverts. Join the crowd chasing them. You can still have a great time here with 7's.Your description of the odds match my experience. I did get one 9 when she had just moved to the city after winning a provincial beauty contest. She's since gone on to placing in national pageants and GMA bit parts, but that early success was pure luck. She hates me now and has her crowd of wealthy Pinoys (married or otherwise) for company. I'm open to ideas on how to apologize to her, a great lady not just gorgeous and sexy even if since moved out of my league. 7's and 8's according to my preferred type are all over. If only 1 in 10 attempts with non-pros ends up greasing my pole, it just means I need to "woo" (via copy-and-paste style messages) 100 to get a full roster of 10 lovelies. Online this is easy as can be, feasible on moderately long layovers for those not taking a direct flight.

In all fairness and curiousity to the question originally posed though, how would we go about getting a true model-quality girl? FWIW, I'd make friendly chat, drinks, meals, sex, and live conversation with as many pretty ladies as I could, surely in the Burgos / EDSA / AC hotspots, but more especially in the expensive and elite nightclubs mentioned in this forum. I'd tell all the girls during conversation I'm looking for a willing "flawless, sexy, model-type" woman, with a reward for effective assistance. Price? We each have our maximum budgets for dream-girl sex. I'd cap out somewhat north of 20 K for 24 hours with a once-in-a-lifetime winner. Time is money as in all things. Putting out all the feelers will almost surely result in a catch over enough time, because even hotties inevitably fall on temporary hard times. I don't think it's feasible "on demand", but Mr Hutsori, judging from online posts you and a few others on ISG have much more experience in the more rarefied strata of Filipino society than I.

[Red Kilt]

. . . SNIP .... Price? We each have our maximum budgets for dream-girl sex. I'd cap out somewhat north of 20 K for 24 hours with a once-in-a-lifetime winner. Time is money as in all things. Putting out all the feelers will almost surely result in a catch over enough time, because even hotties inevitably fall on temporary hard times. I don't think it's feasible "on demand", but Mr Hutsori, judging from online posts you and a few others on ISG have much more experience in the more rarefied strata of Filipino society than I.A former Senator of the realm has a condo hideaway in my condo block and every now and again he visits his love nest.

The security guards all know when Sir is visiting because at various times during the evening cars pull up and absolute stunners (the 9's and 10's) get in the elevator and head for his floor.

I shared an elevator with two of them one night on their way to the "penthouse level", and they were very giggly and excited about their upcoming experiences. The senator selects his one or two targets and discards the rest which can be any number up to 6 or 8 girls. Each of the discards gets 20,000 php for their "trouble" in appearing (the guards inform me).

There is another world out there away from the guys who haggle over a 2000 bar fine plus tip. The real 9's and 10's occupy that world. If you want to be in their circle, you have to have a fat wallet.

[Wicked Roger]

I shared an elevator with two of them one night on their way to the "penthouse level", and they were very giggly and excited about their upcoming experiences. The senator selects his one or two targets and discards the rest which can be any number up to 6 or 8 girls. Each of the discards gets 20,000 php for their "trouble" in appearing (the guards inform me).

There is another world out there away from the guys who haggle over a 2000 bar fine plus tip. The real 9's and 10's occupy that world. If you want to be in their circle, you have to have a fat wallet.One of my contacts is an ex Playboy Philippines 'model' and she has said something similar to me. Plenty wealthy pinoys want to enjoy her company for a high price.

But then she sees me for fun and company as I have known her before she became 'famous' and did FHM and Playboy etc and that counts a lots in her judgement (lucky me LOL).

[Omega 3]

A former Senator of the realm has a condo hideaway in my condo block and every now and again he visits his love nest.

The security guards all know when Sir is visiting because at various times during the evening cars pull up and absolute stunners (the 9's and 10's) get in the elevator and head for his floor.

I shared an elevator with two of them one night on their way to the "penthouse level", and they were very giggly and excited about their upcoming experiences. The senator selects his one or two targets and discards the rest which can be any number up to 6 or 8 girls. Each of the discards gets 20,000 php for their "trouble" in appearing (the guards inform me).

There is another world out there away from the guys who haggle over a 2000 bar fine plus tip. The real 9's and 10's occupy that world. If you want to be in their circle, you have to have a fat wallet.Very true, RK.

It has been said that money and power are the ultimate aphrodisiacs.

On the positive side, it also has been said that that man is happiest who is content with what he has.

OM.

[Shark5]

A former Senator of the realm has a condo hideaway in my condo block and every now and again he visits his love nest.

The security guards all know when Sir is visiting because at various times during the evening cars pull up and absolute stunners (the 9's and 10's) get in the elevator and head for his floor.

I shared an elevator with two of them one night on their way to the "penthouse level", and they were very giggly and excited about their upcoming experiences. The senator selects his one or two targets and discards the rest which can be any number up to 6 or 8 girls. Each of the discards gets 20,000 php for their "trouble" in appearing (the guards inform me).

There is another world out there away from the guys who haggle over a 2000 bar fine plus tip. The real 9's and 10's occupy that world. If you want to be in their circle, you have to have a fat wallet.Great info and so true. I had a good friend who met a gal and got engaged. She was a looker and it turns out she was just past the age where she was appealing to the Filipino politicians, so she started looking for a husband. Turns out most of her young life she would only date powerful politicians and was allured to the money and power. She lived well.

I was invited to their engagement party and when I walked in I was amazed at the quality of her friends. I am talking the most beautiful pinays I have ever seen. I got introduced but I had no chance, since they all were dating some powerful politician, making good money doing so and addicted to the power the men had. Later my friend told me about the stories she would tell, naming prominent politicians and having contact info for them. One night they picked me up to go to dinner and drinks. As we were driving down by the Green Belt area, we were stopped by a Policeman. My anglo friend was driving and the Policeman was trying to get some money out of him. His girl got on the phone and called one of her politician friends, the phone was handed to the Policeman and with in seconds he told us we were free to go!

[SaltyPete]

She was a looker and it turns out she was just past the age where she was appealing to the Filipino politicians, so she started looking for a husband. So she turned 18? J / k.

[BrainDrain]

There is another world out there away from the guys who haggle over a 2000 bar fine plus tip. The real 9's and 10's occupy that world. If you want to be in their circle, you have to have a fat wallet.The difference is the P2,000 is OUR money. The money the good senator (s) are spending is the aid, support and graft that has been taken from the citizens. Tough to compete with that.

[Chocha Monger]

The difference is the P2,000 is OUR money. The money the good senator (s) are spending is the aid, support and graft that has been taken from the citizens. Tough to compete with that.Thank you for pointing out that we should not be admiring the good senator and other members of the elite who pay obscene amounts for a fuck from top tier hookers with money defrauded from the precariat who must content themselves with 200-500 peso street meat. It is always very easy for politicians worldwide to be very generous with other people's money, especially when that generosity is for their own benefit and sexual gratification. As they say, easy come easy go! The working man haggling over 2,000 pesos is not trying to be mean. He just wants to make sure that he is getting the best value for the limited amount of money that he earned with his labor. Given an unexpected financial windfall, the working man's generosity usually increases accordingly.

[Cunning Stunt]

As the subject is under discussion and at the risk of been accused of blowing my own trumpet, but I have enjoyed the company of a number of what I would describe as 'model' quality Pinays over the past few years. Its honestly not rocket science, you just have to put in time and effort into finding them preferably before they get 'discovered' and suffer from that common ailment of the Filipina commonly known as the 'fuck, my twat has turned to gold' syndrome. Then they are lost to the common man of the likes of you or I.

The most I have paid was P15 k. Excessive you might think but I thought it was a rare bargain. This was for an absolute off the scale 10 (in my subjective opinion of course) who I flew in from her home in Mindanao. She stayed with me a day and a night before going off to visit her relatives in Manila. To be honest, I was glad to see the shapely back of her. She had some serious issues and was very immature. She wasn't a starfish in bed but nor was she particularly adept either. She was just so-so. But like most guys I am a sucker for a pretty face and always on the prowl for finding that rare creature whose looks are matched by performance. They, I'm sad to say, are rarer than tits on a bull.

[MrWoolyBooly]

Each of the discards gets 20,000 php for their "trouble" in appearing (the guards inform me).Greetings Mr Kilt, I'm thinking model-to-order in the big city is out of my league. Best I can hope for is to "woo" as many as I can simultaneously and patiently, available when they have a fall in fortune. Thanks for the the insight into the "techniques" of a part of Filipino society we don't hear from here (as far as I know).


...you just have to put in time and effort into finding them preferably before they get 'discovered'


But like most guys I am a sucker for a pretty face and always on the prowl for finding that rare creature whose looks are matched by performance. They, I'm sad to say, are rarer than tits on a bull.Greetings Mr Stunt, the circumstances of your successful find are similar to mine previously reported. Thinking more on the topic, finding a model-potential girl in the province and offering to take her to the city is almost surely better odds. There's always the risk of disappointing performance. In those cases I put on my untypical "treat their body as my sex toy" mode. Not optimal, but best available option in the situation. My disappointment with a super cute virgin from Mindanao via Cebu was, like your situation, because she stuck around too long. Sex toy mode isn't to my taste more than once a blue moon. Thinking it over, maybe I could search for super hotties in the provinces specifically to come live with me in the city. Buying their domestic plane, bus, or carabao ticket is a minor money risk. Only plane requires they know your real name. Maybe even allow them to bring a pre-approved friend.

As for performance and looks, tough to find or even search for anything beyond looks. Rare is the Pinay who will boast of her prowess unless part of a pro's dubious sales pitch. My best ever Pinay BJ: A 30-ish massage girl on Burgos who had lived in Japan. On the verge of chubby, pretty but no stunner. Most pleasant cowgirl: Plain, verging on ugly, 19-year old nursing student from RTU met on DIA. Most enthusiastically submissive: Cute but not really pretty nanny from last trip. Most PSE: Unattractive skinny thing that met me in a Eurotel literally two minutes after my previous date had left. Wooly Jr was (I thought) drained, but the way she took care of me was like a POV porn movie. I just layed there and she made a fantasy script real. All this is not to say that hotties can't perform. Lots of 'em out there. Best most awesomest pussy (internal): 24-year old married lady from Tondo. Absolutely gorgeous, just not tall enough for modelling. Too bad society is too prudish to tolerate performance reviews of non-pros. Probably it's more the guys who would suffer ego bruises by women's reviews of us haha.

[MrWoolyBooly]

You may be in denial. Logic does matter. Wanting to help the girls? If you really felt charitable, just pay her barfine, give her the tip, and tell her to take the night off.

Examine your feelings. Your motivation is not eleemosynary but rather to distinguish yourself so that news of your largesse will aggrandize your reputation thus facilitating your future forays.

So whereas you deny that your tipping will have an overall influence on the market in general, you do hope that it will enhance your standing in the marketplace. But that is the point that some of us are trying to make. Your tipping moves the fulcrum, even if ever so slightly, in favor of the seller. You are contributing to inflationary pricing. Multiply that by many others who are excessive and you have a shift in the market.

Hold the market steady and don't tip. But GE, you will probably have to continue tipping since you have already created an expectation which you can not disappoint. That is the other down side to tipping.It's hard to begrudge the professional ladies willing to provide more, more frequent, or better service to their more generous clients. Nobody would begrudge "overtipping" a plumber who fixed the slow draining sink because it would cause inflation, or out of charity to his hardworking low-paid employee. Guys offering more or with a reputation for greater generosity are more likely to get what they want. Even if Mr. Enough's motives (which I have zero insight into) are to faciliate future forays, why not? For example, I may prefer short, thin, busty sisters in threesomes or moresomes. Or just a back massage from a woman with big feet. Others can get discounts with lesser looks, service, convenience, or frequency. Every business works that way. If the supply is inflexible (assuming no increase in suppliers from greater incentive, a dubious assumption in the Philippines), bigger spenders will get more and others less. Same amount of overall transactions, but the market deciding who transacts. Some of us don't even always discuss price before inviting a lady to our lairs. As for not being able to disappoint the ladies' expectations in the future, if she needs rent money and I'm the best offer she has at the moment her past pricing is irrelevant. The same upward pricing pressure would work downward. FWIW I'm convinced that nothing plays a bigger role in each lady's current floor price (known only to her) than her current state of need driven by cycle of bills or irregular personal crises. Lots of other lesser factors may also contribute: Her comfort level with the guy, whether she perceives any ongoing frequent customer (or even relationship) potential, even whether she likes the particular hotel or condo he's staying in.

[Dark Knight1]

What does your Filipino drink? Does your Filipina drink hard liquor or Red Horse when your around? In over a decade of dealing its been my experience most Filipinas turn down strong drinks unless have or are about to experience something traumatic (like bedding an old, overweight monger) and don't want to be sober for the ride.

[Mr Enternational]

My girlfriend in AC finally broke up with me. She used to always wish me Happy whatever way too early and I guess it went above my head. For instance she would tell me Happy New Year on December 15. I am like no, this is still the same year. The last straw was Father's Day. It was on Sunday, but she tells me Happy Father's Day like the Tuesday before. I asked her why she always does that and she got mad and said I did not appreciate her and she could not take it anymore. Good riddance I say. Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. A week later she sent me a message saying that her dad just died. I never responded. Just thought why was she telling me. We are no longer together.

[D Cups]

Methinks you're a little hard on her, E. At least she's thoughtful. Have some sympathy for the poor girl. Lord knows these are not the brightest girls on the planet but have a heart. Cheers.


My girlfriend in AC finally broke up with me. She used to always wish me Happy whatever way too early and I guess it went above my head. For instance she would tell me Happy New Year on December 15. I am like no, this is still the same year. The last straw was Father's Day. It was on Sunday, but she tells me Happy Father's Day like the Tuesday before. I asked her why she always does that and she got mad and said I did not appreciate her and she could not take it anymore. Good riddance I say. Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. A week later she sent me a message saying that her dad just died. I never responded. Just thought why was she telling me. We are no longer together.

[Chaton31]

Hello,

I live in BGC, I want to know if any of you took a girl in his condo before? Did you get any problems after?

[Wicked Roger]

Hello,

I live in BGC, I want to know if any of you took a girl in his condo before? Did you get any problems after?Based on your post history which is mainly questions you have been in BGC since 2015 as you asked about clubs. So you have not taken a girl back to your condo since then or is this a new one.

Lots of comment on this matter recently on the board (RTFF can help you there) - some disagree with each other and much depends on the condo, always best be very specific, name of condo and street etc as I live in condo and my rules are OK but sometimes they are not what I think they are and surprise me.

PM is also a great way to go.

[BrainDrain]

. A week later she sent me a message saying that her dad just died. I never responded. Just thought why was she telling me. We are no longer together.I wonder if she was telling you a week before her father died?

[FreebieFan]

Hello,

I live in BGC, I want to know if any of you took a girl in his condo before? Did you get any problems after?Problems from what. The security guard, the wife, or the girl.

Problems frrom secuity guard could include him telling the wife or the GF as secuity guards rank next to fishwives as being the worlds nosiest.

Problems with the girl? Select the girl wisely and no problems. I've entertained hundreds of them and nary a problem (except for security guars not minding their business).

Be smart, lock away valuables, hide anything that shows your name if you are worried. Don't tell her your exact apartment number and its doubtful she's even looking for it.

And enjoy. Maybe 1% of filipinas are dishonest and come with bad intentions but I haven't encountered those.

If you are really in doubt say its an airbnb apartment, and not yours?

[Hutsori]

My girlfriend in AC finally broke up with me.Sorry to hear that. Anyway, chin up. Happy Independence Day.

[Chocha Monger]

What does your Filipino drink? Does your Filipina drink hard liquor or Red Horse when your around? In over a decade of dealing its been my experience most Filipinas turn down strong drinks unless have or are about to experience something traumatic (like bedding an old, overweight monger) and don't want to be sober for the ride.That is an astute observation. I have noticed that some girls switch from mixed lady drinks and call for tequila when approached by certain mongers. At first, it looked like they were running up the bill based on the monger's appearance but the explanation about girls consuming strong drink to steel their nerves for the traumatic night ahead makes sense. Alcohol is commonly used to soothe the demons of PTSD. Another factor to consider is that some fellas ask Pinays to perform certain things that they may find painful such as taking a hard fucking in the asshole, or they may persuade them to actively engage in a no-holes-barred threesome or foursome with close blood relatives including sisters, aunts, and cousins. As these acts are generally considered taboo in polite Filipino society, it is common for the girls to imbibe strong spirits to overcome any sense of decency or morality that would otherwise inhibit indulging their foreigner's sexual fantasies.

Mind altering substances have been used since the dawn of time to allow people to do things that they would otherwise not do or have great difficulty doing. The Viking berserkers drove themselves into a frenzy using mushrooms before going into battle. Inca warriors chewed coca leaves for stamina, and the Wehrmacht's blitzkrieg was powered by crystal meth. In 2008, Lashkar-e-Taiba, an elite terrorist group, was able to repel hundreds of special forces troops for over two days without food or sleep even with severe wounds. Their secret formula was a combination of cocaine, LSD and steroids.

Also, millions of men stuck in marriages with middle aged androgynous fat women are only able to perform their husbandly obligations thanks to a combination of alcohol and Viagra, Cialis or Levitra.

[BrainDrain]

it looked like they were running up the bill based on the monger's appearance.I really think you are on the money with this one.

Regular bargirls drink quite a bit everyday. To drink on your tab with the mama's encouragement and commission is a good answer.

Some filipina are brought up on hard liquor to get drunk ASAP. My sweet non-bargirl pinay wants hard liqour with chaser and will drink a few until she falls. I'm trying to teach her to just drink enough to stay happy.

Any of course the sex was way better with the latter.

BD.

[Goferring]

I really think you are on the money with this one.

Some filipina are brought up on hard liquor to get drunk ASAP. My sweet non-bargirl pinay wants hard liqour with chaser and will drink a few until she falls. I'm trying to teach her to just drink enough to stay happy.

BD.I've seen both ends of the spectrum with new bar girls. Many have ordered juice or soda ladies drinks as they are not yet comfortable drinking (a lot of) alcohol. Similarly it is not rare to have newer girls refuse shots of tequila or the like fearing the repercussions.

At the other end of the scale I have seen new girls or tiny spinners try to keep up with 300 lb foreigners or older girls with devastating results up to and including hospitalisation. Spinners do hit the wall hard, going from a happy drunk to comatose in the space of one drink.

In terms of steeling the nerves, yes that also happens. I was a regular patron of a girl who was always very quiet until the 3rd rum and coke then all hell broke loose. I had another that would always get liquored up if my requests for the night became ummmm. . . "interesting".

[Red Kilt]

This is a rather damming indictment of the conflict between religion, the constitution and folk lore.

It's an even-handed film and doesn't make extravagant or irrational claims.

65% of women do not use contraception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBjgP541BIY

[Mr Enternational]

This is a rather damming indictment of the conflict between religion, the constitution and folk lore.

It's an even-handed film and doesn't make extravagant or irrational claims.

65% of women do not use contraception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBjgP541BIYRecently a chick that I have been dealing with for years got pregnant. We would always take trips together. She said that when I started blowing her off in February she met a guy in March and they got drunk and had sex. She said that she did not know he took the condom off. She also said but she never got pregnant with me. (She does not know I had a vasectomy.) I suspect the guy is a foreigner because she knows absolutely nothing about him. She does not even have his phone number. He disappeared on her. She says the baby is a blessing from god. I said bullshit. The baby is a result of your irresponibility.

[Blanquiceleste]

She says the baby is a blessing from god. I said bullshit. The baby is a result of your irresponibility.I find this incredible. I had a similar experience with a girl. She met a Norwegian guy who is a captain on a merchant ship (anyone here? And spent a few weeks with him. She got pregnant thinking that would cement the relationship and lead her to a better life. But guess what? The guy scooted. I asked her what she plans to do. And she says the baby is a gift from God. I asked her if its God's plan to bring a baby who might never get to meet his / her father into the world. No answer. I asked her if she has any contact details of the guy. She said she had a phone number that does not work anymore.

Amazing, truly amazing.

[Wicked Roger]

I find this incredible. I had a similar experience with a girl. She met a Norwegian guy who is a captain on a merchant ship (anyone here? And spent a few weeks with him. She got pregnant thinking that would cement the relationship and lead her to a better life. But guess what? The guy scooted. I asked her what she plans to do. And she says the baby is a gift from God. I asked her if its God's plan to bring a baby who might never get to meet his / her father into the world. No answer. I asked her if she has any contact details of the guy. She said she had a phone number that does not work anymore.

Amazing, truly amazing.Add to that they all want a 'white' baby as the culture in the country says 'white is better than brown' as being brown / dark means you work in the fields and thus poor / uneducated etc. Therefore the attitude is not surprising. I have asked similar questions "so God will provide the income necessary to bring up the baby and send it to school" , " God will pay for the hospital when it is born yes?" and get similar blank looks.

Also they want blue eyes for the baby but I never tell them as they are brwon eyed that will dominate.

Sad inditement of society's 'rules' in some respects showing how the church still hold sway.

[FreebieFan]

Recently a chick that I have been dealing with for years got pregnant. We would always take trips together. She said that when I started blowing her off in February she met a guy in March and they got drunk and had sex. She said that she did not know he took the condom off. She also said but she never got pregnant with me. (She does not know I had a vasectomy.) I suspect the guy is a foreigner because she knows absolutely nothing about him. She does not even have his phone number. He disappeared on her. She says the baby is a blessing from god. I said bullshit. The baby is a result of your irresponibility.And he we have a classic case of a western mindset in total disharmony with a Filipina mindset. Most western males would totally agree with Mr Enternational. And most Filipinas would probably agree with the girl. Given that a huge number of them found themselves equally blessed.

Its certainly a Filipina mindset to find a thing, reason or entity to blame and to provide responsibility. Never head one yet say " my mistake, I screwed up ". In this case God (?) presumably a catholic god has provided the blessing, the father was the one who was responsible and thus the girl is guilt free. Definitely not home free as she yet another unwanted kid to add to the millions already in existence (population 105 million soon!) but guilt free and sometimes that's all they need.

[Hutsori]

She says the baby is a blessing from god.Of course it is. All the other girls in the barangay will envy her because she has the most beautiful child. And all half castes grow up be TV celebrities on ABS-CBN and will take care of mum; it's her pension plan. And they lived happily ever after.

[The Tall Man]

Of course it is. All the other girls in the barangay will envy her because she has the most beautiful child. And all half castes grow up be TV celebrities on ABS-CBN and will take care of mum; it's her pension plan. And they lived happily ever after.Sad but true story of their mentality.

TTM.

[Slippery]

Add to that they all want a 'white' baby as the culture in the country says 'white is better than brown' as being brown / dark means you work in the fields and thus poor / uneducated etc. Therefore the attitude is not surprising. I have asked similar questions "so God will provide the income necessary to bring up the baby and send it to school" , " God will pay for the hospital when it is born yes?" and get similar blank looks.

Also they want blue eyes for the baby but I never tell them as they are brwon eyed that will dominate.

Sad inditement of society's 'rules' in some respects showing how the church still hold sway.No WR, God won't provide, but I have a nice income, so guess who provides. I wouldn't have it any other way. As per the church, let's see how far the latest version of planned parenthood goes in the legislature. It's going to go about as far as a fart in church.

[SaltyPete]

It's going to go about as far as a fart in church.Confucius say,"Man who fart in church must sit on his own pew". Also, "Cherry Girl like balloon. One prick, all gone!

[MrWoolyBooly]

Unless you employ some eunuchs to police them avoid this fantasy. The women will fuck it up. Put a group of them living together and all competing for the attention of one bloke and what do you have? Bickering, jealousy, mental torment. One girl trolls another claiming she received more money, a better gift, more attention, a heavier load you shot on her titties. In a nutshell: "I'm more desirable than you. " This escalates. They love drama and chaos. Sides are picked. Then allies find conflict with each other. It's a maelstrom. Eventually one choses the nuclear option by contacting police.

Compartmentalise. Even if one of your regulars wants a bi experience, don't bring in one of your other regulars. They'll start jibber jabbering and someone's feelings will be hurt. Even if you treated each one exactly the same, one girl will make some shit up. Find a new girl or have the regular find one.Mr. Hutsori, you have described precisely the one unsurmountable problem of any harem arrangement. I've given up that daydream in the Philippines. I'll bang sisters, friends, cousins, whatever, but separately however closely timed. Once in a while caught, drama, BS words, blah blah blah, move on. If done right, I just lay low until the offended party (ies) calm down and again need what I've got. Just yesterday, Batasan Hills QC first-timer (previously reported BJ only) read my fb conversations with her 22-year old needy and eager elder sister. Dramatic messages ensued between me and younger sister. She hasn't yet confronted elder sister. Younger sister has a sexier figure but more emotionally needy and dramatic. Elder sister seems to be all green light go and has at least some experience. I'm going to try balancing both with verbal BS, but if push comes to shove will pick one, probably the elder. Even in the case of harem-like X-somes, I wouldn't risk keeping the same roster together. 100% they will talk, and compare openly, and compare privately, and resent any imaginary slight. My whole sister thing will no doubt end badly some day, but I will enjoy the ride until it stops and will never try persuading them into a harem arrangement. At my bravest and with enough alcohol-induced open mindedness on their part maybe a one-time performance.

For what it's worth, I'm open to ideas on Las Pinas sister #1. She has frustrated and criticized me and made excuses enough times already, in spite of a very nice BJ on our first meeting. She now offers to meet me "for talking only" at a mall for 1 k per day. Ridiculous of course, but only 20 USD. She's broke as can be. My tentative plan is to Uber / Grab her to a convenient (for me) mall with relatively poor public transportation (Rockwell Power Plant?) and give her an ultimatum: 4 K for all day in my nearby condo or make your own way home. I'm hoping she'll feel disappointed about not getting 1 K, and enticed by 4 K. LP #2 is willing to "clean my condo" regularly for 1 k / visit. LP #3 is willing to stay with me for a single 3-day visit only because she "has a BF now". All three say "don't tell my sisters". Ladies, you can count on my discretion!

[MS Clive]

For what it's worth, I'm open to ideas on Las Pinas sister .... All three say "don't tell my sisters". Ladies, you can count on my discretion!Hilarious problems that only mongers can have. So many choices, so little time.

[Dg8787]

Mr WB, imo you are crazy to try to force LP sister #1 in to having sex or to do something she doesn't want to. No doubt she is in need of money, just throw her some cash and let it go. Plenty of women out there.

If I was trying to read between the lines it may not be sex you are really after with her. I personally find your plan to uber her there under the guise of her getting 1k and then reneging on it, stranding her there and forcing yourself on her dispicable. You might make your self feel better by throwing at her 4k. I hope you are only making a bad joke and certainly a bigger person than that.

[MrWoolyBooly]

Mr WB, imo you are crazy to try to force LP sister #1 in to having sex or to do something she doesn't want to. No doubt she is in need of money, just throw her some cash and let it go. Plenty of women out there.

If I was trying to read between the lines it may not be sex you are really after with her. I personally find your plan to uber her there under the guise of her getting 1k and then reneging on it, stranding her there and forcing yourself on her dispicable. You might make your self feel better by throwing at her 4k. I hope you are only making a bad joke and certainly a bigger person than that.Disclaimer: I've never stranded a lady and always kept every monetary promise, even when utterly unjustified. Even in the rare "leave now" situations, I've given more than agreed or necessary to get home safely (and been roundly criticized for giving too much). The stranding idea was indeed tongue-in-cheek. Worst case, I'll make her hang around the mall while I do whatever I want there, give her 1 k, and put her in my Uber / Grab back to LP. Still open to ideas on persuasion, monetary or otherwise. Maybe I'll bring flowers and chocolates and ask her to bury the hatchet, who knows. I'll never use threats or coercion. None will be worse off or unhappier for having met me. Way, way, way too many fish in the Metro Manila sea to resort to that. As an aside, this topic started in the Angeles City thread. I can't figure why anyone not interested primarily in the bar / club scene would go there instead of Metro Manila for the ladies. Numerically, AC is a pond while Metro Manila is an ocean. Not criticizing anybody's choice on how and where to spend their own time or money, just can't figure it out. Of course for the buffet of immediately available ladies, it's unbeatable in the Philippines.

[Dg8787]

Disclaimer: I've never stranded a lady and always kept every monetary promise, even when utterly unjustified. Even in the rare "leave now" situations, I've given more than agreed or necessary to get home safely (and been roundly criticized for giving too much). The stranding idea was indeed tongue-in-cheek. Worst case, I'll make her hang around the mall while I do whatever I want there, give her 1 k, and put her in my Uber / Grab back to LP. Still open to ideas on persuasion, monetary or otherwise. Maybe I'll bring flowers and chocolates and ask her to bury the hatchet, who knows. I'll never use threats or coercion. None will be worse off or unhappier for having met me. Way, way, way too many fish in the Metro Manila sea to resort to that. As an aside, this topic started in the Angeles City thread. I can't figure why anyone not interested primarily in the bar / club scene would go there instead of Metro Manila for the ladies. Numerically, AC is a pond while Metro Manila is an ocean. Not criticizing anybody's choice on how and where to spend their own time or money, just can't figure it out. Of course for the buffet of immediately available ladies, it's unbeatable in the Philippines.Thank you for clearing that up for me. I like AC because of the supply system and easy shopping. And always within 5 minutes or less back to my hotel. As simple as that.

[Streetlooker]

Thank you for pointing out that we should not be admiring the good senator and other members of the elite who pay obscene amounts for a fuck from top tier hookers with money defrauded from the precariat who must content themselves with 200-500 peso street meat. It is always very easy for politicians worldwide to be very generous with other people's money, especially when that generosity is for their own benefit and sexual gratification. As they say, easy come easy go! The working man haggling over 2,000 pesos is not trying to be mean. He just wants to make sure that he is getting the best value for the limited amount of money that he earned with his labor. Given an unexpected financial windfall, the working man's generosity usually increases accordingly.Yep its always easy to spend other peoples money.

[Streetlooker]

As the subject is under discussion and at the risk of been accused of blowing my own trumpet, but I have enjoyed the company of a number of what I would describe as 'model' quality Pinays over the past few years. Its honestly not rocket science, you just have to put in time and effort into finding them preferably before they get 'discovered' and suffer from that common ailment of the Filipina commonly known as the 'fuck, my twat has turned to gold' syndrome. Then they are lost to the common man of the likes of you or I.

The most I have paid was P15 k. Excessive you might think but I thought it was a rare bargain. This was for an absolute off the scale 10 (in my subjective opinion of course) who I flew in from her home in Mindanao. She stayed with me a day and a night before going off to visit her relatives in Manila. To be honest, I was glad to see the shapely back of her. She had some serious issues and was very immature. She wasn't a starfish in bed but nor was she particularly adept either. She was just so-so. But like most guys I am a sucker for a pretty face and always on the prowl for finding that rare creature whose looks are matched by performance. They, I'm sad to say, are rarer than tits on a bull.Yep getting a 8 + girl that's actually also good in the sack is about has rare has tits on a BULL. Its almost like they loathe having sex with you. Give me a pretty cute 6 that's a 10 in bed any day.

[Streetlooker]

Hilarious problems that only mongers can have. So many choices, so little time.So true I now have about 25-30 girls on a list of those I have found in bars, at the mall, at massage places and thru the internet that I want to fuck but don; t have the time to get to all them. The problem I am having is the list never gets shorter due to Once I fuck 2-3 of them from my to do list 2-3 more are added to the queue. Sometime a girl I just met gets jumped to the front of the line Its a never ending cycle of who's next and whos going to be left out only to wish I had done them when I had the chance. A mongers life is tough.

[Sammon]

Yep getting a 8 + girl that's actually also good in the sack is about has rare has tits on a BULL. Its almost like they loathe having sex with you. Give me a pretty cute 6 that's a 10 in bed any day.This reminds me of a girl I met online. She was from southern Mindanao and was a virgin 18 years old. One thing led to another and I ended up flying her to Manila. Let us say her face is so so not enough to make a second look. But she was great in bed and one of the best company I ever had. Initially she stayed with me only three days. But in spite of her looks we met several times and totally enjoyed each other. Just to say looks go only so far!

[Mogwai]

Yep getting a 8 + girl that's actually also good in the sack is about has rare has tits on a BULL. Its almost like they loathe having sex with you. Give me a pretty cute 6 that's a 10 in bed any day.I concur, 6's can be a lot of fun. Recently I found a 'call (center) girl' on Badoo who's not much to look at but when those glasses come off (she has that secretary look that I don't really like) and her clothes come off your jaw drops. A flawless little spinner body with a perfect b-cup and a dripping wet pussy. Intelligent, fun to be with and a nympho in bed. What else does a man want?

[Mogwai]

From a 24 yo's Badoo profile:
"I love to travel so I'm looking for a life time travel buddy. Who can understand me being immature, childish and jealous sometimes."

[WestCoast1]

I concur, 6's can be a lot of fun. Recently I found a 'call (center) girl' on Badoo who's not much to look at but when those glasses come off (she has that secretary look that I don't really like) and her clothes come off your jaw drops. A flawless little spinner body with a perfect b-cup and a dripping wet pussy. Intelligent, fun to be with and a nympho in bed. What else does a man want?This is what makes the pinay special: Forrest Gump's box of chocolates has some real goodies in it.

In a similar vein, I flew in a Mindanao regular recently who is a solid 7 on the scale, early 20's, be-cup spinner with a flat tummy like a rock (pictured in the PG previously). Not spectacular, but cute. And better: bubbly and happy. Even better: wants sex every 2-3-4 hours (even through the night). We've spent quite a few 2 and 3 nights together, and our recent stint was 4 nights. First afternoon, sex at the hotel just after airport pickup. Rest, lunch, sex. Rest, mall, dinner, sex about 9 pm. TV, sleep around 11 pm, she wakes me up wanting sex at 1 am. Then 4 am. And so on. After 4 nights, its murder-by-sex. When I could not keep up at 4 am: "Come on. Keep up to me Westy. Haha".

Hated to see her skinny *ss walk into the airport to fly home. Loved seeing her skinny *ss walk into the airport to fly home. Every man should have this problem. Next time: 3 nights is plenty.

[WestCoast1]

In a similar vein, I flew in a Mindanao regular recently who is a solid 7 on the scale, early 20's, be-cup spinner with a flat tummy like a rock (pictured in the PG previously).And here she is.

[D Cups]

, she wakes me up wanting sex at 1 am. Then 4 am. And so on. After 4 nights, its murder-by-sex. When I could not keep up at 4 am: "Come on. Keep up to me Westy. Haha".What a fucking nightmare hahhahaa! Seriously they don't call them LBFMs for nothing. Their fuckability is the primary motivation for me dropping 35 pounds and getting back into shape though. Cheers, mate.

[WestCoast1]

What a fucking nightmare hahhahaa! Seriously they don't call them LBFMs for nothing. Their fuckability is the primary motivation for me dropping 35 pounds and getting back into shape though. Cheers, mate.I've written about her before. Province girl who I've bussed for flown to me many times over the last few years. Wears me down to a nub within 24 hours; there's nothing left but fumes in my jizz tank. When she's ready she starts DFK and doesn't stop till she gets what she wants (straight f*cking, no BJ unless I mention it). She doesn't seem to care how long it lasts, only that she will start another session 2-3 hours after she ends this session. If I'm not horny she will resort to rubbing her front (and then back) all over me to get me hard. A raw-nerved horny animal.

I know what you're saying: If a man must die, this is possibly the best way to go. On our third morning recently as we were walking down the hall going to the hotel breakfast, she had her arm wrapped in mine, and I quietly said into her ear: You're killing me with all the sex; I love it, but can we wait till bedtime tonight before trying again? She laughed and said: "Haha Westy you so funny". That's all she said. What the heck did THAT mean? Yes we can take a few hours off? No, she had no intention of letting me off the hook? Good news, she did not push again until we returned from videoke and dinner that evening, when she started the body-rub again (it worked, but barely). Playful little tart.

"My father died in bed with a 22 year-old girl. That's right, he CAME and WENT at the same time". --Standup routine from Richard Pryor. I never forget that when I pick her up at the airport or bus station. I think I'm due up for an EKG.

[Streetlooker]

What a fucking nightmare hahhahaa! Seriously they don't call them LBFMs for nothing. Their fuckability is the primary motivation for me dropping 35 pounds and getting back into shape though. Cheers, mate.My experience now is finding that the LBFM Is a more rare species then in previous yrs. I used to bat about 9 out of ten finding girls that like to fuck all night now its about 50-50. Shorttime is about all you can get anymore. 1 pop and out the door.

[WestCoast1]

My experience now is finding that the LBFM Is a more rare species then in previous yrs. I used to bat about 9 out of ten finding girls that like to fuck all night now its about 50-50. Shorttime is about all you can get anymore. 1 pop and out the door.The girl is not P4 P. There is no ST, she usually is pushing the envelope before we meet to spend more nights with me. She is a sweet provincial thing. Her fam doesn't know where their sweet thang goes off to for a few days when she brings her nawty self to me. I'm sure that if I invited her for a week's stay, you good gents would find my shriveled body, the life force sucked out of it, in the back corner of the condo when she went home. Well, with any luck.

[Wimble]

The girl is not P4 P. There is no ST, she usually is pushing the envelope before we meet to spend more nights with me. She is a sweet provincial thing. Her fam doesn't know where their sweet thang goes off to for a few days when she brings her nawty self to me. I'm sure that if I invited her for a week's stay, you good gents would find my shriveled body, the life force sucked out of it, in the back corner of the condo when she went home. Well, with any luck.IMHO, it all depends on the girls. My preference is Indo gals but Pinays with great appetite and intercourse skills are easier to find. As an English speaker.

[MrWoolyBooly]

The girl is not P4 P. There is no ST, she usually is pushing the envelope before we meet to spend more nights with me. My experience also with the most ball-draining, death-by-oversex, insatiable ones has also been with non P4 P Pinays. They're not common, but they exist. I'm a bit nervous about my next visit. Three such rare creatures (one 7 in looks age 31 OFW, one 6. 5 age 25 SM store worker, one 6 age 34 factory worker) want to stay with me. Will probably have to disappoint the factory worker, stagger schedule the other two, and keep time reserved for other beauties new and old. The new beauties cost more in time, effort, and money, but newness contributes at least a full point to any lady's attractiveness and fun factor. And what is our mission if not to find the best out there?

[Chocha Monger]

My experience now is finding that the LBFM Is a more rare species then in previous yrs. I used to bat about 9 out of ten finding girls that like to fuck all night now its about 50-50. Shorttime is about all you can get anymore. 1 pop and out the door.This is what the growing new customer base wants. ST and a sendoff with a fistful of pesos. A reversal of the trend is unlikely anytime soon as each time Kim Jong Un launches a missile or tests a nuke, more South Koreans pack up and move to the Philippines. Thanks to the Filipino preference for recording everything on paper instead of relying on electronic information systems, their administrative and banking systems are among only a handful capable of surviving an electromagnetic pulse in the event of a nuclear exchange in Asia. Apparently, the Koreans figured this out and decided that the Philippines is the best country to live out the post-apocalyptic future.

The key to surviving the transition from a LT to a ST oriented service environment is to become a ST man in all your affairs in the Philippines. Once the girls realize that you are a short-timer, they will put a little more effort into pleasing you, as the window of opportunity to fleece you will be very short. The less time you spend with them the less time they have to tell you about their grandma's tragic trike accident and expensive lifesaving surgeries. These days the LT girls have lists of pre-qualifications. A few actually told me that they would not bar fine unless they were guaranteed a good licking and a predetermined gratuity for the following morning. It makes you wonder who is being serviced.

[Streetlooker]

This is what the growing new customer base wants. ST and a sendoff with a fistful of pesos. A reversal of the trend is unlikely anytime soon as each time Kim Jong Un launches a missile or tests a nuke, more South Koreans pack up and move to the Philippines. Thanks to the Filipino preference for recording everything on paper instead of relying on electronic information systems, their administrative and banking systems are among only a handful capable of surviving an electromagnetic pulse in the event of a nuclear exchange in Asia. Apparently, the Koreans figured this out and decided that the Philippines is the best country to live out the post-apocalyptic future.

The key to surviving the transition from a LT to a ST oriented service environment is to become a ST man in all your affairs in the Philippines. Once the girls realize that you are a short-timer, they will put a little more effort into pleasing you, as the window of opportunity to fleece you will be very short. The less time you spend with them the less time they have to tell you about their grandma's tragic trike accident and expensive lifesaving surgeries. These days the LT girls have lists of pre-qualifications. A few actually told me that they would not bar fine unless they were guaranteed a good licking and a predetermined gratuity for the following morning. It makes you wonder who is being serviced.The Koreans monger different then us western folk, and they are slowly and successfully taking over the whole city. Still good ones to be found but the work to find them is getting harder to do. Much easier for a girl to do 2 BF a day with 2 Koreans then a Longtime and do 2 pops with a westerner. Double the money and less work.

[Streetlooker]

This is what the growing new customer base wants. ST and a sendoff with a fistful of pesos. A reversal of the trend is unlikely anytime soon as each time Kim Jong Un launches a missile or tests a nuke, more South Koreans pack up and move to the Philippines. Thanks to the Filipino preference for recording everything on paper instead of relying on electronic information systems, their administrative and banking systems are among only a handful capable of surviving an electromagnetic pulse in the event of a nuclear exchange in Asia. Apparently, the Koreans figured this out and decided that the Philippines is the best country to live out the post-apocalyptic future.

The key to surviving the transition from a LT to a ST oriented service environment is to become a ST man in all your affairs in the Philippines. Once the girls realize that you are a short-timer, they will put a little more effort into pleasing you, as the window of opportunity to fleece you will be very short. The less time you spend with them the less time they have to tell you about their grandma's tragic trike accident and expensive lifesaving surgeries. These days the LT girls have lists of pre-qualifications. A few actually told me that they would not bar fine unless they were guaranteed a good licking and a predetermined gratuity for the following morning. It makes you wonder who is being serviced.Its does seem the seller is the one making the terms of the contract to which the buyer must agree too or there will be no transactions.

[Sxxxx]

Its does seem the seller is the one making the terms of the contract to which the buyer must agree too or there will be no transactions.Yes, it was quite clearly a buyers market for many long years, and which I was fortunate enough to enjoy.

Nowadays Phils is transcending into a sellers market for the women, as is the case in the Western World, nowadays.

Enjoy the last fragments lads, enjoy.

Note: People like Westcoast1 is bucking the system and still getting value for money, LOL. It can be done.

[Wimble]

Double the money and less work.Welcome to the new normal.

Cannot blame the provider if they or others want to promote economic equality.

I always found it amusing when a provider rejects a client; especially me. For me, the game is to squeeze in as much fun for myself if the provider is willing to play the game of separating me from my wad. They usually just go for the cash.

[Streetlooker]

Welcome to the new normal.

Cannot blame the provider if they or others want to promote economic equality.

I always found it amusing when a provider rejects a client; especially me. For me, the game is to squeeze in as much fun for myself if the provider is willing to play the game of separating me from my wad. They usually just go for the cash.I have never gotten a rejection on a short time offer unless they are on there menstruation I know This is a subtle way bargirls use to politely refuse a costumer they don; t really want to go with so I could have gotten rejected in this way of course. But I tend to believe they are really on there menstruation and I have come back 5 days later for some of them and they did go with me then be it some only took ST not long. I think they reject the long time deal because that takes them out of Chance to get a 2nd or even 3rd BF for the day. ST Is more the norm now a days and I for one really sad about that. The GFE is gone to the past. A long time deal also takes them out of a chance to go free lance for the night or hit up a past customer on Facebook for a hook up. TECH is to blame for the lost GFE the Philippines was once known for. I am with you I want to get 2 pops in for the price of one, the 1st one before sleep and a wake up one before they go. That's getting harder to find now.

[BrainDrain]

I have never gotten a rejection on a short time offer unless they are on there menstruation I know This is a subtle way bargirls use to politely refuse a costumer they don; t really want to go with so I could have gotten rejected in this way of course. But I tend to believe they are really on there menstruation and I have come back 5 days later for some of them and they did go with me then be it some only took ST not long. I think they reject the long time deal because that takes them out of Chance to get a 2nd or even 3rd BF for the day. ST Is more the norm now a days and I for one really sad about that. The GFE is gone to the past. A long time deal also takes them out of a chance to go free lance for the night or hit up a past customer on Facebook for a hook up. TECH is to blame for the lost GFE the Philippines was once known for. I am with you I want to get 2 pops in for the price of one, the 1st one before sleep and a wake up one before they go. That's getting harder to find now.Maybe the ridesharing economy has come to the bars. There are so many freelancer opportunities now that it is just as easy to get a girl on WeChat than a bar. The dating sites have so many semi-professional girls that can be effectively barfined for GFE.

Having a girl ST from the bar can be very cost effective and they don't stay to be fed and spent upon.

BD.

[Chocha Monger]

Maybe the ridesharing economy has come to the bars. There are so many freelancer opportunities now that it is just as easy to get a girl on WeChat than a bar. The dating sites have so many semi-professional girls that can be effectively barfined for GFE.

Having a girl ST from the bar can be very cost effective and they don't stay to be fed and spent upon.

BD.Perhaps the ride sharing economy has arrived in the bars, but this economy brings its own share of problems. Who regulates and provides assurances in this new ride sharing economy? With bars out of the picture will the monger be responsible for making sure girls at least visit social hygiene for checkups? The identification cards that the girls wear in the bar has their legal names and ages. Will mongers now have to obtain and record this information for their own protection? The same goes for having somewhere to go back to in order to verify the girl's identity if something goes missing in the room or the monger is harmed.

Many unsavory women and their male accomplices make their living targeting mongers online. This means that mongers hailing women online are taking on all of the risk of something going bad as there is no equivalent of Uber when it comes to verifying identity, age, gender, and criminal history when it comes to mongering. A drunk monger bar-fining a girl from a bar and a drunk monger picking up a freelancer from the streets or disco has different levels of risk involved. In AC, a lot of the online and freelancer girls are actually bar girls making extra on the side. However, if this changes, it should be interesting to see how things play out without bars in the picture. Only time will tell how this affects STD rates, crimes, and setups targeting mongers.

[CallSign Papa]

Having a girl ST from the bar can be very cost effective and they don't stay to be fed and spent upon.

BD.I find a packet of Onion Rings and a bottle of water doesn't set me back too much and keeps them pretty full.

[Goferring]

I find a packet of Onion Rings and a bottle of water doesn't set me back too much and keeps them pretty full.Haha. It works both ways. Night time trysts are fun but I find breakfast the most enjoyable meal of the day. It's almost impossible to raise an outcall ST early in the morning so I generally go for LT.

[Streetlooker]

Haha. It works both ways. Night time trysts are fun but I find breakfast the most enjoyable meal of the day. It's almost impossible to raise an outcall ST early in the morning so I generally go for LT.Yes the morning pop the most important one of the day. Just like breakfast is the most important meal of the day. Taking care of that morning wood makes the whole rest of your day much better.

[MrWoolyBooly]

At some point, you will have to hand over her walking papers.A gem of wisdom, this. For each and every Pinay that enters your lair that's not strictly ST, you must have an exit strategy. This applies to every situation from LT P4P to live in honey.

[Goferring]

A gem of wisdom, this. For each and every Pinay that enters your lair that's not strictly ST, you must have an exit strategy. This applies to every situation from LT P4P to live in honey.It can be a very effectively separation strategy to combine both the natural decline in a relationship and the perception that the grass would be greener in another field for the girl. Ie make the girls insecurities mentioned below work for you not against you.

I've had some horrific and expensive "divorces" when the girl thought she had no where to go to but also some great ones where she has seemingly left and immediately shacked up with someone else. This has quite often included no separation payment and casual return visits to demonstrate what I am missing out on.

She also saves face amongst her friends because she made the decision to leave rather than being seen to be sent packing.

The only issue that needs to be avoided is gaining a reputation as a cheap charley who does not support his long term partners.

[D Cups]

Hi guys,

I'll be coming to AC, Cebu and other PI locations next month. I want to put one of my regulars in Cebu on the pill. For you armchair MDs or otherwise knowledgeable ISGers how much is it there and when does she need to start taking it? Is the morning after pill available at PI pharmacies? Or should I buy it over-the-counter here in USA and bring with me? Don't talk to me about condoms. Any replies or PMs with costs, details appreciated.

[Dg8787]

Hi guys,

I'll be coming to AC, Cebu and other PI locations next month. I want to put one of my regulars in Cebu on the pill. For you armchair MDs or otherwise knowledgeable ISGers how much is it there and when does she need to start taking it? Is the morning after pill available at PI pharmacies? Or should I buy it over-the-counter here in USA and bring with me? Don't talk to me about condoms. Any replies or PMs with costs, details appreciated.You can buy birth control pills without prescription at pharmacies. Generic Trust brand is 45 pesos. Other brand names can cost 300-600 for a month. Some girls have told me they don't like the side effects of Trust brand. Others have had no problems with Trust. I forgot the names of the higher price brands.

Most important is to get them using it everyday and every month. Sporadic use does not work. Also use of antibiotics will render them ineffective.

I believe they start the cycle the day after they finish their menstration. The pills put them on a 28 day cycle.

[Mogwai]

I believe they start the cycle the day after they finish their menstration. The pills put them on a 28 day cycle.If she starts taking the pill on the first day of her menstruation then it's immediately effective.
If she starts taking it on any other day then it's only effective after 7 days. So those 7 days you'll still have to finish outside or use a condom.

[Sammon]

Hi guys,

I'll be coming to AC, Cebu and other PI locations next month. I want to put one of my regulars in Cebu on the pill. For you armchair MDs or otherwise knowledgeable ISGers how much is it there and when does she need to start taking it? Is the morning after pill available at PI pharmacies? Or should I buy it over-the-counter here in USA and bring with me? Don't talk to me about condoms. Any replies or PMs with costs, details appreciated.Apart from the pill there is what is known as Depo shot. It is a subcutaneous injection good for 3-6 months. I have done that with some of my regulars. Unless you are living there this is all you need. Ask them to go to a clinic and get the shot before you visit. Only side effects are redness at the site. Some girls also said they became more horny after the shot. Maybe it is because of hormones.

[D Cups]

Thanks Sammon, Mogwai and Dg. Sammon, do you recall the cost of the Depo shot? Does that have to be taken the day after menstruation? Now she is telling me she needs 1500 P for a pap smear, too. Does that sound right? Sorry for all the questions. Appreciate your kind replies.


Apart from the pill there is what is known as Depo shot. Some girls also said they became more horny after the shot.

[Sammon]

Thanks Sammon, Mogwai and Dg. Sammon, do you recall the cost of the Depo shot? Does that have to be taken the day after menstruation? Now she is telling me she needs 1500 P for a pap smear, too. Does that sound right? Sorry for all the questions. Appreciate your kind replies.I do not know the cost of the Depo Shot now. Maybe you should have her undergo complete STD work up. Pap smear is to see if she has some unusual cells which can turn into cerivical cancer. Generally promiscuous girls are prone to this. Once again it depends on how much you like her to give her money before you I indulge. I never had any girl ask me money for checking herself out.

[Dg8787]

Thanks Sammon, Mogwai and Dg. Sammon, do you recall the cost of the Depo shot? Does that have to be taken the day after menstruation? Now she is telling me she needs 1500 P for a pap smear, too. Does that sound right? Sorry for all the questions. Appreciate your kind replies.I think the depo shot is 450-600. I don't know when is the proper time for the depo shot. I assume it is the beginning of her mens or shortly thereafter.

The brand name pills are Diane 35 and Althea, 450 and 356.

Pap smear might be an upsell by the doctor. I have heard of doctors selling expensive vitamins as a cure for some aliments. So I am not surprised if a doctor upsells a Pap smear for no reason other than to make money. But there may be a reason for the Pap smear.

[Soapy Smith]

Now she is telling me she needs 1500 P for a pap smear, too. Does that sound right? DC,

My squeeze reports recently paying 650 php for a pap smear. This was in Metro Manila, which might affect the price. 1500 could be upsell from the doctor or the girl, or limousine service to and from the doctor, or might also include testing for HPV, which is sometimes done simultaneously when the speculum is already in place. If trust is important, why not find a non-confrontational way to ask her about the price.

[D Cups]

Dg and SS, she is probably in the ball park then for 1500 P for pap smear and birth control. Thanks for your replies guys. You know how the Filipinas can stretch the truth though. They're adept liars. Many of them. Not all of course.


DC,

My squeeze reports recently paying 650 php for a pap smear. This was in Metro Manila, which might affect the price. 1500 could be upsell from the doctor or the girl, or limousine service to and from the doctor, or might also include testing for HPV, which is sometimes done simultaneously when the speculum is already in place. If trust is important, why not find a non-confrontational way to ask her about the price.

[Red Kilt]

Most important is to get them using it everyday and every month. Sporadic use does not work. Also use of antibiotics will render them ineffective.

This is very critical. They have NO IDEA how the pill works, and that it resets the hormone levels over a PERIOD OF TIME.

If you put a girl on the pill, you MUST spend a lot of time stressing to her how she absolutely must follow the specific dosage routine DAILY or it's ineffective.

They simply don't understand this, and think it's like a vitamin or a med for a headache. They also think they can save money by only taking one every 2nd day.

Be warned. I have made a study of filipinas' knowledge of their menstrual cycle and associated physiology and believe me their knowledge is rudimentary or zero.

The only absolutely safe method of birth control for a monger is for him to have a vasectomy. I had one at age 48 and now, pushing towards 70, I am still VERY active and always have been.

[D Cups]

Got it. Thanks, Red.


This is very critical. They have NO IDEA how the pill works, and that it resets the hormone levels over a PERIOD OF TIME.

If you put a girl on the pill, you MUST spend a lot of time stressing to her how she absolutely must follow the specific dosage routine DAILY or it's ineffective.

They simply don't understand this, and think it's like a vitamin or a med for a headache. They also think they can save money by only taking one every 2nd day.

Be warned. I have made a study of filipinas' knowledge of their menstrual cycle and associated physiology and believe me their knowledge is rudimentary or zero.

The only absolutely safe method of birth control for a monger is for him to have a vasectomy. I had one at age 48 and now, pushing towards 70, I am still VERY active and always have been..

[Dg8787]

This is very critical. They have NO IDEA how the pill works, and that it resets the hormone levels over a PERIOD OF TIME.

If you put a girl on the pill, you MUST spend a lot of time stressing to her how she absolutely must follow the specific dosage routine DAILY or it's ineffective.

They simply don't understand this, and think it's like a vitamin or a med for a headache. They also think they can save money by only taking one every 2nd day.

Be warned. I have made a study of filipinas' knowledge of their menstrual cycle and associated physiology and believe me their knowledge is rudimentary or zero.

The only absolutely safe method of birth control for a monger is for him to have a vasectomy. I had one at age 48 and now, pushing towards 70, I am still VERY active and always have been.Very good information.

Make sure she understands to take the pill orally! Each day. Days 21-28 are placebos in the Trust brand but it keeps them in the habit of taking it daily. Others might have only 21 pills and they start back up on it after 7 days off.

I prefer they get the injection good for 3 months and not have to rely on daily memory.

[Wicked Roger]

Dg and SS, she is probably in the ball park then for 1500 P for pap smear and birth control. Thanks for your replies guys. You know how the Filipinas can stretch the truth though. They're adept liars. Many of them. Not all of course.DCups,

I know is Cebu is it less than PHP 1000, but the better the hospital the pricey it gets for the pap smear. Sorry for the late reply but been busy LOL.

[Roll Aides]

Going to plug again my fave, the IUD. Works ~100% confidence and it can't be forgotten, put off, confused, fucked up or otherwise rendered ineffective by a girl's nearly inevitable misunderstanding of reproductive anatomy, laziness, forgetfulness, or romantic dreams of producing mixed race offspring, without a deliberate visit to the doctor. I discovered this gem of contraceptive efficacy whilst in Thailand, and must note that for whatever reason Americans (such as myself) and indeed most anglosphere citizens seem to be completely ignorant of what is probably the single best, cheapest, least obtrusive and most convenient form of contraception invented by the human race to date. Which is probably because drug companies can't sell it on a monthly basis, it works for five+ years.

I fully agree with RK's report that Filipinos know shit about contraception, are prone not to follow a routine, and literally cannot understand how birth control pills actually work, nor yet discipline themselves to to use them according to the directions. I would warn anyone relying on any method of contraception that depends on the girl implementing it, to take a moment and reflect on the reality of that situation, which is that if you want something fucked up, then give that job to a Filipino. RK will probably not fully agree with that view, but I am less sentimental about the 7,101 islands' inhabitants. Compound this natural tendency to fail at doing things right with the fact that motivations may not be entirely what they are represented to be, if indeed there is any firm concept of motivations present at all, and I would say that you are safer crossing a minefield with a blindfold on than relying on birth control pills to prevent a pregnancy with your Filipina sweetheart.

In fairness I have not researched the depo shot, my thinking in general though is that the less hormonal interference the better, I have seen a lot of unfortunate reactions to BC pills in my time. The over the counter stuff you can easily get here is not tailored to the person using it as is possible in the West. IUD's cost about the same as what DCups was quoted for that workup, at least where I am. Might be more in Manila. Go with that or the vas, there are some advantages to having your boys snipped but an IUD can be taken out.

[WestCoast1]

Found in FB today:

Soldiers Wives and Girlfriends (SWAGS).

MENSTRUAL CYCLE AND OVULATION PERIOD. Married ones.

Most girls don't understand this because of much heavy grammar used to teach it, and we don't listen to our body too. I read, I started listening to my body for signs and I arrived at the simple analysis / steps.

👉MENSTRUAL PERIOD: The time blood flows out of your private area, when you use pad.

👉MENSTRUAL CYCLE: Days it takes to see another blood in the month. If you last saw your period in June 11th and it started again on July 10th 2017, then you have 30 days cycle (count from 11 June to 10 July).

NOTE: It is erroneous to believe its 28 days cycle, different women have different cycles ranging from 21-35 days.

👉OVULATION PERIOD: This is time to get pregnant without stress. This is 2 weeks after your period or 2 weeks before the next period.

Here's a simple way to calculate your ovulation (unsafe) period.

1. From the first day you see the blood of your period.

2. Pick up a calendar and count 15 days including the first day of the blood stain.

3. Mark the 15th day with a pen.

4. Mark 3 days before the 15th day, and mark 3 days after the 15th day.

6. You will notice you have 7 days marked.

These 7 days are your ovulation / fertile days also known as unsafe period.

That is if you have sex on any of these days, then you have 98% chances of being pregnant.

7. Do this every month diligently.

EVERY OTHER DAY IS YOUR SAFE PERIOD.

For example:

1. If your period is 11th July, 2017.

2. 15 days after the first day of the blood stain will be on 25th of this July too (2 weeks after) counting from 11th.

3. 15th day is on the 25th July 2017.

4. 3 days before the 15th day is 22,23, 24.

5. 3 days after 25th July 2017 is 26,27,28.

6. 22-28th July (7 days) is when you are ovulating. It is your fertile period.

**Don't forget that the 7 days is a reminder that sperm stays in the female body for about 7 days. Any sexual contact in between ovulation period will form something that has ears, eyes, etc.

ALSO.

If you want a baby girl, have.

Sex between 3 days before ovulation (22- 24th) 2017.

For a baby boy on the main ovulation day and 3 days after 25th.

MAJOR SIGNS THAT YOUR OVULATION HAS BEGAN.

You don't need a doctor, just relax. After 2 weeks you may feel the following:

1. Headache.

2. High body temperature.

3. Dizziness (feeling of tiredness and sleepiness).

4. Breast tenderness / size increases just like when you are menstruating.

5. Increased sex drive.

6. Light cramps or pain on one side of the pelvis.

7. Abdominal bloating.

8. Heightened sense of smell, taste or vision (you eat more).

9. Vagina mucus becomes slippery (if you notice, put it in between fingers. It stretches like thick catarrh or snail mucus. Colorless like egg white.

And / be: The instance here is for ladies with 30 days cycle. And someone who saw her period in July 2017. If yours is 28, then it's 14 days and not 15 days.

If you have headache without a cause, check back to when your period started. You can drink both malt and peak milk. Don't run to the pharmacist always on issues that can be naturally handled, because drugs are not always good on girls. Or you can take only paracetamol.

👉MEN, read and educate your wives and sisters, most don't know this.

[D Cups]

Geez, everything you always wanted to know, thanks WC, and others who responded. See you guys in about a month. In case you want to meet for a beer PM me. Oct 11 Makati. Oct 12 Malate. Oct 13 - 15 Cebu City at Diplomat 1 AM Oct 16 GB at MIN at Time Out Bar. Oct 16 - 17 Dalaguete Ocean Bay Resort with GF. Oct 18 - 24 Dumaguete. Oct 25 - 29 Cebu City Mandarin. Oct 30 - 31 Angeles Orchid Inn. Wear a costume haha. Nov 1 - 4 Subic Treasure Island to see the floating bar and w*house haha. Nov 5 Angeles Orchid Inn. Nov 5 - 7 Manila H20 Hotel for business conference. Any big boobs on a slim frame referrals always appreciated. Cheers.


MENSTRUAL CYCLE AND OVULATION PERIOD.

[Mango King]

Found in FB today:


👉MENSTRUAL CYCLE: Days it takes to see another blood in the month. If you last saw your period in June 11th and it started again on July 10th 2017, then you have 30 days cycle (count from 11 June to 10 July).

NOTE: It is erroneous to believe its 28 days cycle, different women have different cycles ranging from 21-35 days.

👉OVULATION PERIOD: This is time to get pregnant without stress. This is 2 weeks after your period or 2 weeks before the next period.

Here's a simple way to calculate your ovulation (unsafe) period.There is a simpler solution to calculating cycle. Apps! Yes there are a number of apps for iPhone and Android that do this. One of my girls sent me a nice screenshot of one. Of course, not all girls have smartphones.

I think this is a great idea for those girls I am planning to see and want to make sure they are not on their mens. I don't use it for BC though.

[Chocha Monger]

The Cane posted an interesting article on a study done in Australia on the "big age gap" in relationships fellas planning to retire to the Philippines and settle down to domestic bliss with a nubile Filipina may find interesting. The study found that men with younger wives are the most satisfied initially, while men married to older women are the least. Women are also particularly dissatisfied when they are married to older husbands and particularly satisfied if they are married to younger husbands.

However, the article provided even more discouraging news for age gap romance as follows: "According to an analysis of 3,000 married couples, the bigger the age gap between a couple, the more likely they are to split than same-age couples. For instance, couples with 10 years between them were 39 percent more likely to split than a same-age couple, while those with a 20-year gap were 95 percent more likely. Couples with a 30-year differential were pretty much doomed: 172 percent more likely to end up divorced."

Perhaps, pensioners may be better off sticking to mongering and a maid, instead of seeking short-lived domestic bliss based on the terrible odds.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/13556224-this-is-what-a-large-age-gap-does-to-your-relationship/?utm_source=aol.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=this-is-what-a-large-age-gap-does-to-your-relationship&utm_campaign=AOL-Wellness

[Sxxxx]

Yeh, why buy the book (marriage), when you can join the library (hit and run).

[D Cups]

ChochaMonger,

The Cane posted an interesting article on a study done in Australia.

[BrainDrain]

The Cane posted an interesting article on a study done in Australia on the "big age gap" in relationships fellas planning to retire to the Philippines and settle down to domestic bliss with a nubile Filipina may find interesting. I contend that the age gap research is not valid in the same way here in Ph. Guys are coming here with the sole intention of a beautiful young filipina. The relationship is one of dependency, the guy will pay for the girl, her education and her family. Her family will be keeping her in the relationship. IN AUST the marriages are about togetherness and life partnerships. Hopefully that same delusion does not exist in the older guy / filipina marrige.

BD.

[BrainDrain]

Yeh, why buy the book (marriage), when you can join the library (hit and run).Angeles City. The original Netflix?

[Jordan1986]

Hello all,

Sorry for the out of box Subject.

Next week going to visit riyadh. And I saw already there too many Philippines, if anybody can have any contact. Please share.

I will pay good to that person!

Regards,

Jordan.

[Wicked Roger]

Hello all,

Sorry for the out of box Subject.

Next week going to visit riyadh. And I saw already there too many Philippines, if anybody can have any contact. Please share.

I will pay good to that person!

Regards,

Jordan.You asked the same question 3 times. Here, Saudi and in American women. RTFF in Saudi would be better than a post here asking a question.

True there are many pinays in Saudi, I lived there, I know that well and I did FR at tmes about it so RTFF for clues as plenty in the correct thread.

Riyadh? Well best I respond in the correct forum.

But I sugegst you RTFF and read Saudi ISG very carefully to learn where the pinays are.

And there are many pinays in Riyadh also as I was there last month. That I can confirm.

[Streetlooker]

The Cane posted an interesting article on a study done in Australia on the "big age gap" in relationships fellas planning to retire to the Philippines and settle down to domestic bliss with a nubile Filipina may find interesting. The study found that men with younger wives are the most satisfied initially, while men married to older women are the least. Women are also particularly dissatisfied when they are married to older husbands and particularly satisfied if they are married to younger husbands.

However, the article provided even more discouraging news for age gap romance as follows: "According to an analysis of 3,000 married couples, the bigger the age gap between a couple, the more likely they are to split than same-age couples. For instance, couples with 10 years between them were 39 percent more likely to split than a same-age couple, while those with a 20-year gap were 95 percent more likely. Couples with a 30-year differential were pretty much doomed: 172 percent more likely to end up divorced."

Perhaps, pensioners may be better off sticking to mongering and a maid, instead of seeking short-lived domestic bliss based on the terrible odds.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/13556224-this-is-what-a-large-age-gap-does-to-your-relationship/?utm_source=aol.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=this-is-what-a-large-age-gap-does-to-your-relationship&utm_campaign=AOL-WellnessI plan a 60 yr + age gap marriage in the future. IF I am to make it to 80 yrs old I am planning a marriage to a 18-20 yr old girl. Why the hell not I be dead soon anyways. I guess my odds of divorce are lower then dying making her a widower.

[Dg8787]

I plan a 60 yr + age gap marriage in the future. IF I am to make it to 80 yrs old I am planning a marriage to a 18-20 yr old girl. Why the hell not I be dead soon anyways. I guess my odds of divorce are lower then dying making her a widower.I am only planning for a 50 year gap when I get married at age 70. I would love for her to keep drawing on my pension as a survivor while I have been long gone.

[Dccpa]

The person who wrote that article didn't do a very good job. 172% increase on what base? 172% increase of 1% is 2. 72%. I know the number is much higher, but that article reminds me of the Mark Twain quote. "There's lies, damn lies and statistics. ".

The interesting part was that the breakups were over financial shocks. So, what were the statistics to couples who did not experience financial shocks?


The Cane posted an interesting article on a study done in Australia on the "big age gap" in relationships fellas planning to retire to the Philippines and settle down to domestic bliss with a nubile Filipina may find interesting. The study found that men with younger wives are the most satisfied initially, while men married to older women are the least. Women are also particularly dissatisfied when they are married to older husbands and particularly satisfied if they are married to younger husbands.

However, the article provided even more discouraging news for age gap romance as follows: "According to an analysis of 3,000 married couples, the bigger the age gap between a couple, the more likely they are to split than same-age couples. For instance, couples with 10 years between them were 39 percent more likely to split than a same-age couple, while those with a 20-year gap were 95 percent more likely. Couples with a 30-year differential were pretty much doomed: 172 percent more likely to end up divorced."

Perhaps, pensioners may be better off sticking to mongering and a maid, instead of seeking short-lived domestic bliss based on the terrible odds.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/13556224-this-is-what-a-large-age-gap-does-to-your-relationship/?utm_source=aol.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=this-is-what-a-large-age-gap-does-to-your-relationship&utm_campaign=AOL-Wellness

[Streetlooker]

The person who wrote that article didn't do a very good job. 172% increase on what base? 172% increase of 1% is 2. 72%. I know the number is much higher, but that article reminds me of the Mark Twain quote. "There's lies, damn lies and statistics. ".

The interesting part was that the breakups were over financial shocks. So, what were the statistics to couples who did not experience financial shocks?I would image 80% of all marriages regardless regardless of age, race, or social status is over a financial shock. MONEY rules everything.

[Kabul Guy]

Found in FB today:

Soldiers Wives and Girlfriends (SWAGS).

.......


👉MEN, read and educate your wives and sisters, most don't know this.There is an old joke about what do they call people who practice the rhythm method of birth control?

Parents.

The reason it is 50% effective in preventing pregnancy is that it eliminates about 50% of the days you can have sex. You need to add an additional 3 days to the start of what is represented because sperm can survive up to 72 hours inside the woman. That means 5 days period, plus the 7 days recommended here plus 3 days eliminates 15 out of 28 days to have sex.

[Kabul Guy]

....
I believe they start the cycle the day after they finish their menstration. The pills put them on a 28 day cycle.They usually come 28 pills in a package. There are 7 labeled to be used during menstruation. These are simply placebos meant to keep the women in the habit of taking a pill every day. They can be safely missed.

The 21 active ingredient pills start the day menstruation ends. If you want to prolong the period between periods she can take the active ingredient pills from the second box for up to two weeks. This will delay the start of her period but will make it worse than normal for her. The pills work by tricking her body into believing she is pregnant. That is why side effects include breast swelling and tenderness. (I have heard women here wanting them for that side effect alone.) A pregnant woman will not ovulate during her pregnancy so a pill-induced pregnancy means that the woman will not ovulate either.

Take the pill same time every day. And yes antibiotics can make them ineffective.

[Dg8787]

They usually come 28 pills in a package. There are 7 labeled to be used during menstruation. These are simply placebos meant to keep the women in the habit of taking a pill every day. They can be safely missed.

The 21 active ingredient pills start the day menstruation ends. If you want to prolong the period between periods she can take the active ingredient pills from the second box for up to two weeks. This will delay the start of her period but will make it worse than normal for her. The pills work by tricking her body into believing she is pregnant. That is why side effects include breast swelling and tenderness. (I have heard women here wanting them for that side effect alone.) A pregnant woman will not ovulate during her pregnancy so a pill-induced pregnancy means that the woman will not ovulate either.

Take the pill same time every day. And yes antibiotics can make them ineffective.Guys, don't forget the pill is taken orally! I try to be helpful by deep throating her at pill time. BTW, the last 7 pills can be taken vaginally, I am helpful on insertion with my clam digger.

[BrainDrain]

Spending a lengthy amount of time in the Philippines for work or pleasure or both you have to be prepared for and enjoy the filipina tantrums. I know they have been discussed here at length but just recently I realise they do it for entertainment. For the most part life here is kind of dull, not as much culture, not as well development entertainment facilities, so that leave social life.

I know lots of guys come for the bargirls and the sex. Outside of the bargirls there is a whole new dimension of filipinas whom have a whole new definition of relationships. They want a guy, they want tandrums, they want arguments that just go nowhere. I've started playing things along a little, not my usual relationship. Seems to have got her more interested, or maybe tomorrow it will be less interested. Who knows.

Strange times.

BD.

[Roll Aides]

Spending a lengthy amount of time in the Philippines for work or pleasure or both you have to be prepared for and enjoy the filipina tantrums. I know they have been discussed here at length but just recently I realise they do it for entertainment. For the most part life here is kind of dull, not as much culture, not as well development entertainment facilities, so that leave social life.

I know lots of guys come for the bargirls and the sex. Outside of the bargirls there is a whole new dimension of filipinas whom have a whole new definition of relationships. They want a guy, they want tandrums, they want arguments that just go nowhere. I've started playing things along a little, not my usual relationship. Seems to have got her more interested, or maybe tomorrow it will be less interested. Who knows.

Strange times.

BD.Awesome thing of Filipinas. If you do not have any dramatic entertainment at hand they will provide any degree and volume required, even beyond expected parameters. Basically if you have seen it on Pinoy TV, they are not to be outdone and have more personally-tailored, rage-inducing melodrama to proffer, and more reputation-shattering, insanity-inducing, shitstorm-of-mother-of-god-shaming problem-causing fucked up nonsense to vex your mind and soul with than any other on species on earth, before or after. I'm not bitter, I'm in admiration. If that's your cup of tea, come here. You won't be left flat.

[D Cups]

This is so funny and true that I laugh until it hurts. I will probably have to become a drunk when I live there in five years just to keep my sanity.


Awesome thing of Filipinas. If you do not have any dramatic entertainment at hand they will provide any degree and volume required, even beyond expected parameters. Basically if you have seen it on Pinoy TV, they are not to be outdone and have more personally-tailored, rage-inducing melodrama to proffer, and more reputation-shattering, insanity-inducing, shitstorm-of-mother-of-god-shaming problem-causing fucked up nonsense to vex your mind and soul with than any other on species on earth, before or after. I'm not bitter, I'm in admiration. If that's your cup of tea, come here. You won't be left flat.

[RoccoWW]

Hey all,

New to this forum, but not new to WG and SPs!

Planning a trip to the Philippines. Is there a particular area better than the other for sex mongering? I prefer the girls up to mid 20's and also am looking to make contact with non-working girls.

Any advice would be great.

Thanks in advance.

J.

[Radical Guy]

Hey all,

New to this forum, but not new to WG and SPs!

Planning a trip to the Philippines. Is there a particular area better than the other for sex mongering? I prefer the girls up to mid 20's and also am looking to make contact with non-working girls.

Any advice would be great.

Thanks in advance.

J.You'll certainly get a wide range of opinions here. My preference is taking the time and effort to hook up with girls in the provinces and smaller cities, such as Butuan, Cagayan de Oro, and Biislig. You may need to be tolerant of having a friend accompany your date for the first meeting. It takes a bit more effort, but I've found some real jewels in these off-the-beaten-track places. Since they usually don't have much of a night life, I'll take my sweetie to Boracay or a larger city, which has the added advantage of taking them away from family and friends who might make them feel worried about their hometown reputation, etc. The downside is that these girls have a way of totally mesmerizing you, and you might end up marrying one. That's what happened to me, and five years later, she's still as hot as day one! .

RG.

[FreebieFan]

. Outside of the bargirls there is a whole new dimension of filipinas whom have a whole new definition of relationships. They want a guy, they want tandrums, they want arguments that just go nowhere. I've started playing things along a little, not my usual relationship. Seems to have got her more interested, or maybe tomorrow it will be less interested. Who knows.

Strange times.

BD.Not entirely sure I agree. I've been in Makati for past 4-5 months and have had a vast army of ladies in my condo.

Perhaps its all to do with the selection process or the way you are with them, but the majority of ladies I see, tend to treat me very well with not one sour face or tantrum yet.

These are all Manila and not province girls, most have been in my bed within an hour or two of meeting, many have cooked for me, many have done the dishes sitting in the sink, all sweep up their own hair of which there are lots. The only thing I haven't got them to do is take their panty liners out of the toilet trash bin. Last Saturday morning, my Friday night date was doing the weeks ironing, in her panties only and made me coffee.

One girl who came to give me a massage did that but she also succumbed to my kisses, and now comes once a week for a swim, a bonk and makes outstanding sinigang for me.

I should add that the vast majority of these girls do not expect or ask for money but obviously I provide a llittle transport help here and there. Being a reasonably nice guy also helps.

Had a very happy 3 some with two teachers last night that cost P600. I gave P1000 but they said its too much as their Grab was only P250.

I've been coming to Philippines for 30 plus years and perhaps the fact I speak and know some tagalog and am definitely not a newbie helps. Many would like a full time BF I'm sure but accept that spending a night a week with a nice guy in a nice apartment will tide them over till Mr BF comes along.

Such phrases as " walang pake " = don't care or " walang ako kung pake " I don't care help to ensure there are less tantrums than a less experienced guy might find.

If you let them throw a tantrum and get away with it once, they will certainly repeat. The less intelligent girls do this as a way of seeking attention in what can sometimes be a ME ME country. You only have see the politicians to know what I mean.

[Sxxxx]

Hilarious quote of the week, ex Forum:

"I should add that the vast majority of these girls do not expect or ask for money. "

[Streetlooker]

Hilarious quote of the week, ex Forum:

"I should add that the vast majority of these girls do not expect or ask for money. "Never met a Filipina yet that didn't ask for or expect financial support money to enter a relationship with you. If they don't ask for money then it because you give it to them freely without them having to ask you. But rest assured if the money stops flowing the pussy drys up and they will be a going. Each filipina has a price some are higher then others but they all get it.

[Sxxxx]

Never met a Filipina yet that didn't ask for or expect financial support money to enter a relationship with you. If they don't ask for money then it because you give it to them freely without them having to ask you. But rest assured if the money stops flowing the pussy drys up and they will be a going. Each filipina has a price some are higher then others but they all get it.Brought a smile to my face.

They are short of money, we are short of honey, the two get together and everyone is happy!

[Dg8787]

Hilarious quote of the week, ex Forum:

"I should add that the vast majority of these girls do not expect or ask for money. "To save face they don't need it. Old Asian custom that you have to insist they take it, to buy gifts for their kids and or family.

[TKOman]

I've been chatting with a pay for play Filipina online. She suggested that I watch her get banged by another guy and then fuck her. I'm not sure if this is the beginning of a con or robbery, but I have noticed a fair number of Filipinas with ads suggesting this kind of scenario. Are they just an exhibitionist culture, or is this a trick?

[Mbsl65]

Never met a Filipina yet that didn't ask for or expect financial support money to enter a relationship with you. If they don't ask for money then it because you give it to them freely without them having to ask you. But rest assured if the money stops flowing the pussy drys up and they will be a going. Each filipina has a price some are higher then others but they all get it.I agree with you eventually, they come out and try to work you out. A girl I took the virginity last March in QC was not very happy with me. Now she is back and asking me to buy a house for her in Alabang. Apparently she post priced it at 1 M Pesos.

[Bushes]

Never met a Filipina yet that didn't ask for or expect financial support money to enter a relationship with you. If they don't ask for money then it because you give it to them freely without them having to ask you. But rest assured if the money stops flowing the pussy drys up and they will be a going. Each Filipino has a price some are higher then others but they all get it.FWIW, I find Filipinos a lot less mercenary than non working girls from many other countries. It could be the language thing. But I get a lot of freebies from Filipinos in and outside the country.

[Chocha Monger]

Hilarious quote of the week, ex Forum:

"I should add that the vast majority of these girls do not expect or ask for money. "If they do not ask for money, it is because they expect an elderly monger to know the drill and not put them in the position of making them lose face by asking him for the money. When he gives them the money, it is customary for them to pretend that it is unexpected and to make an initial refusal. The culturally aware gentleman monger knows that he must insist that the money is not for services rendered but rather a gift for her to help her family. The monger saves face by pretending he is not paying to root a freelance hooker a third of his age and feels a bit less like an old deviant. The girl gets to save face by pretending that she is just being kind to a grandfatherly foreigner who sends gifts to her family. Both parties are happy without having to dwell on any unpleasant thoughts.


Never met a Filipina yet that didn't ask for or expect financial support money to enter a relationship with you. If they don't ask for money then it because you give it to them freely without them having to ask you. But rest assured if the money stops flowing the pussy drys up and they will be a going. Each filipina has a price some are higher then others but they all get it.Yes. If no cash or high end gadgets such as iPhone 8 are given to the pretty ones with decent employment, they will make themselves scarce the next time the stingy monger is nursing a Viagra induced boner in his room. He will be left shag on a rock and forced to give himself a wristy. When her girlfriends ask her why she no longer visits her old poriner for naughty fun, she will simply say that he is not a kind and generous fella.


I agree with you eventually, they come out and try to work you out. A girl I took the virginity last March in QC was not very happy with me. Now she is back and asking me to buy a house for her in Alabang. Apparently she post priced it at 1 M Pesos.When it comes to virgins, it is always best to ascertain their price before popping cherries. Some girls put a high price on their cherries. Cherry prices range from a house / condo to marriage with lifelong support for their entire extended family. Sometimes, one can negotiate expectations down to something more in line with their looks, socioeconomic class, education and future earning potential. It is dangerous to pop a girl's cherry without discussing what she wants from giving it up. Once her cherry is gone, the girl will feel that her aftermarket value is lower in the marriage markets. Some mongers on dating sites even state that they will only consider virgins for marriage. If the girl does not get what she expected, she might accuse the monger of ruining her life and become bitter and vindictive. This is especially true if the monger is hung like a rogue African elephant and leaves her with a gaping hole. After defloration, one girl looked at her immensely enlarged orifice in the mirror and fainted hitting the ground like a sack of rice. Apparently, they really take losing their virginity very seriously.

[Sxxxx]

FWIW, I find Filipinos a lot less mercenary than non working girls from many other countries. It could be the language thing. But I get a lot of freebies from Filipinos in and outside the country.Not 'gifting' the poor Filipinos we shag, is a mean act.