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Goferring,
I sencirely hope, that your wife is truly good, decent woman. Then you are a lucky man. No joke. And all the best. Don't rely on her Asian mindset and be careful. It's so easy to break what you have been built for years, and so difficult to build up something new. Sometimes impossible.Tag,
Thanks. I'm well aware of how fortunate I am to have my situation and lifestyle. That's why I am very careful not to overstep any boundaries that would put it at risk.
I am constantly amazed at the number of guys that are in a similar position to me and then seemingly go out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot by doing stupid and incredibly disrespectful things to a good partner and then wonder why their lives fall apart.
Take care.
Mr Enternational
04-07-18, 23:34
I am constantly amazed at the number of guys that are in a similar position to me and then seemingly go out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot by doing stupid and incredibly disrespectful things to a good partner and then wonder why their lives fall apart.Fucking amazed. My cousin is a prime example. His wife is from Malaysia so she was paying for him to live in Pattaya because her father had died and she wanted to spend time in Malaysia with her mom who is up in age. Did he really have to add Pattaya hookers to his facebook?
Before that he was married to his first wife who was paying all the bills in the house at the time. Did he really have to have his side chick (his present wife now) in the house while his wife was at work? Not to even mention the chick from work he also took to their home and got pregnant while his wife was not there. That kind of shit just blows my mind. Now he is back home with his mom and child support out the ass with no passport. Not at all how a 47 year old guy should be living.
GoodEnough
04-08-18, 00:43
I am constantly amazed at the number of guys that are in a similar position to me and then seemingly go out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot by doing stupid and incredibly disrespectful things to a good partner and then wonder why their lives fall apart.
Like you, I'm very careful about where, with whom and under what circumstances. That said, I know lots of folks here in our shared circumstance but never met anyone stupid enough or careless enough to engage in the behaviors you and Tag describe. In my case, that's why P4 P, with no expectations except payment for services rendered, is by far the best option, as I can thus evade any misperceptions of some sort of relationship.
GE.
Tag,
Thanks. I'm well aware of how fortunate I am to have my situation and lifestyle. That's why I am very careful not to overstep any boundaries that would put it at risk.
I am constantly amazed at the number of guys that are in a similar position to me and then seemingly go out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot by doing stupid and incredibly disrespectful things to a good partner and then wonder why their lives fall apart.
Take care.I am not amazed by the number of guys or girls who shoot themselves in the foot and scatter the wonderful pieces of their lives.
What constantly amazes me is the level of stupidity they rise to!
BrainDrain
04-22-18, 07:39
My latest realization is that finding a great pinay is a tough choice:
Low education, maid type. Makes for a very comfortable married servant that will cook and clean house. Has limited intellectual pursuits and limited opportunity if I take her to my home country. Have plenty of choices for this girl in philippines, can choose a tidy and tight 20 year old.
Smarter and career minded. Much better for conversation and more likely to find a decent career in my country. Can imagine introducing this one to my friends and family. Drawback is she is likely to be lazy and poor cook as she has always had domestic helper (s).
I think I'm just to have to keep these girls in the fun zone.
BD.
My latest realization is that finding a great pinay is a tough choice: There is a solution BD: take a smarter and career minded one and hire a maid to do the cooking and cleaning (and maybe some fucking).
My goal is to find a cute, busty one from Silliman Medical School and from a good family when I retire there in Dumaguete area in 2022. If that doesn't happen at least a nurse or a flight attendant. Until then I will be banging the whole range of available kikis with nice susus.
Smarter and career minded. Much better for conversation Can imagine introducing this one to my friends and family. Drawback is she is likely to be lazy and poor cook as she has always had domestic helper (s).
BD.
There is a solution BD: take a smarter and career minded one and hire a maid to do the cooking and cleaning (and maybe some fucking).That is my end game plan. A full time live in maid is so cheap here, even the extra time you would spend in pleasurable pursuits with your lady makes them worth while.
Soapy Smith
04-23-18, 05:24
That is my end game plan. A full time live in maid is so cheap here, even the extra time you would spend in pleasurable pursuits with your lady makes them worth while.Do you think there may be some risk that, if she's fucking you on a regular basis, she might start to think of herself as a concubine and expect to have her maid duties reduced?
That is my end game plan. A full time live in maid is so cheap here, even the extra time you would spend in pleasurable pursuits with your lady makes them worth while.After having lived here for 21 years and interracting with expats of various nationalities in different ways during that time, I suggest that you should keep your sex activity and the duties of a maid very separate.
In fact, rather than succumb to any temptations in this regard, I have insisted that ALL of the helpers / maids that I have had over the years were older, married and relatively un-sexy, with of course, the added requirement that they could cook a variety of dishes and were competent with all household tasks.
Adding sex to the equation raises all manner of complications. The simplest way to summarize it is that as soon as you add sex to the mixture, you are essentially taking on a wife, partner, concubine or whatever you wish to call it, and most mongers are trying to avoid that. The next step after that is, as Soapy says, she will feel she is above maid duties and will want you to get another maid so she can spend time with you.
A live-in helper is a caretaker of your property, and a good one can be relied on for all manner of support work, such as replacing gas cylinders when empty, answering phones, hosting visitors, paying bills and protecting assets while you are absent, shopping for supplies etc.
As soon as you step outside those requirements, she will become possessive, jealous and vindictive if ever you try to bring home a friend or obviously flaunt other women in her face. If you need to sanction her in any way (poor performance, she damages your shirts, she is late etc), then there will be tampo and the possibility that she will gain revenge by "stealing" from you. They do this in all sorts of ways like taking washing powder, soap, groceries etc unless you monitor it all the time). If you need to fire her, then she can turn very nasty. The extreme outcome of course is that she can accuse you of forcing yourself on her (which is the euphemism for the word that we cannot use on this site). It's much easier to deny this charge if you have NEVER touched her otherwise the lines become blurred.
Women employed as maids with a clear boss / employee relationship will readily accept your philandering etc if the boundaries are defined. A good maid / helper is worth retaining once you find one. My current helper has been with me for 5 years and is ultra-reliable and very loyal. I would damage that relationship irrevocably if I was to request extra services.
I think the old saying "don't sh*t in your own nest" applies here. Others mileage may vary.
There is a solution BD: take a smarter and career minded one and hire a maid to do the cooking and cleaning (and maybe some fucking).
After having lived here for 21 years and interracting with expats of various nationalities in different ways during that time, I suggest that you should keep your sex activity and the duties of a maid very separate.For the record: I fully agree with RK. I was merely joking and I didn't have a full time live in maid in mind, but just a girl who works for you a couple of hours a day. But even in that case it might be better not to have sex with her.
Personally I wouldn't even want or need a full time live in maid. But that's another subject.
BaddHabbit
04-23-18, 09:15
For the record: I fully agree with RK. I was merely joking and I didn't have a full time live in maid in mind, but just a girl who works for you a couple of hours a day. But even in that case it might be better not to have sex with her.
Personally I wouldn't even want or need a full time live in maid. But that's another subject.What this makes me curious about is how intrusive having a live in maid is in relation to your mongering activities?
Is she accepting / comfortable with you regularly bringing home different (and / or multiple) girls? It would annoy the crap out of me if I was getting the sideways looks and silent disapproval routine from a maid who is there to 'observe' all of my activities. I would think a part-time helper would be simpler, as it also doesn't restrict WHERE in the house the fun happens.
BrainDrain
04-23-18, 10:24
I have a friend that has a few maids. They are mostly young and attractive. It goes without saying that they are all of the menu.
So, the choice stands. Find a girl that is house smart or a girl that is brainy smart.
BD.
What this makes me curious about is how intrusive having a live in maid is in relation to your mongering activities?
Is she accepting / comfortable with you regularly bringing home different (and / or multiple) girls? It would annoy the crap out of me if I was getting the sideways looks and silent disapproval routine from a maid who is there to 'observe' all of my activities. I would think a part-time helper would be simpler, as it also doesn't restrict WHERE in the house the fun happens.You're right of course BH.
For a monger who wants to have unrestricted fun in his own house, a part-time non live-in helper (like Mon, Weds; Frid) would suit you better. For a single guy who is reasonably tidy and clean, a maid may be unnecessary (as Mogwai intimated).
My helper is full live-in because I prefer that. She has her own room, bathroom, cable TV situated off the kitchen and she retreats there every evening around 7 pm and doesn't emerge until morning, and she takes Sat evening and all day Sunday off to spend with her family. I have become accustomed to her presence, and it's not intrusive for me.
Those who don't have a maid have to face the chore of periodic house-cleaning because the fine, grimy dirt of Manila infiltrates everywhere. Your floors and other surfaces need regular cleaning because the dust gets inside no matter how tight your windows etc might be. I spent a fair percentage of my previous life sharing domestic duties and child-raising with my ex-wife, and I have a helper now because I refuse to return to those chores of washing, ironing, dusting and cleaning a property ever again.
Good to know, RK. Thank you very much.
After having lived here for 21 years and interracting with expats of various nationalities in different ways during that time, I suggest that ..
Chocha Monger
04-24-18, 00:11
Fucking amazed. My cousin is a prime example. His wife is from Malaysia so she was paying for him to live in Pattaya because her father had died and she wanted to spend time in Malaysia with her mom who is up in age. Did he really have to add Pattaya hookers to his facebook?
Before that he was married to his first wife who was paying all the bills in the house at the time. Did he really have to have his side chick (his present wife now) in the house while his wife was at work? Not to even mention the chick from work he also took to their home and got pregnant while his wife was not there. That kind of shit just blows my mind. Now he is back home with his mom and child support out the ass with no passport. Not at all how a 47 year old guy should be living.When a man gives his penis veto power over his brain, the outcome is often disastrous. Each time his brain told him it was a bad idea, his penis said go right ahead because it is going to be fun. It is typical Walking Penis Syndrome and there is no cure for it. All one can do is let it run its course to the inevitable conclusion.
What this makes me curious about is how intrusive having a live in maid is in relation to your mongering activities?
Is she accepting / comfortable with you regularly bringing home different (and / or multiple) girls? It would annoy the crap out of me if I was getting the sideways looks and silent disapproval routine from a maid who is there to 'observe' all of my activities. I would think a part-time helper would be simpler, as it also doesn't restrict WHERE in the house the fun happens.Red's given you sensible advice.
It depends on one's work responsibilities (if any), the size of your place, how tidy you are, and how frequently you entertain at home. I had live-in domestics (Indian, Sri Lankan, and Filipina) in Kuwait and Abu Dhabi and it was a mixed experience, mostly due to pilfering and outright theft. I was working 60-80 hours per week and my residences were enormous, so a domestic was required, which wasn't intrusive because I had girls over infrequently, once or twice a week.
Here I have a 50m2 condo, which isn't large, have plenty of leisure time, and have many visitors. Also, I like being naked in my place, so having a live-in won't work out - I'm not a proponent of fucking the maid. If you can get into the routine of keeping your place very tidy and send your clothes and linens out to washed and / or ironed I've found no compelling reason. Hiring a part-timer still won't address the issue of the girls' 'leavings' in your bedroom, bathroom, etc. if you're entertaining daily, especially if it's 2-3 a day. The only way to be assured no residue is there it to make sure yourself.
Neighbours, guards, and maids talk. It's one thing when their gossip is speculation, but when your maid is a participant in the community gossip circle to me that's far too intrusive. And I certainly don't need a maid answering my visitors' questions. Even when it's a fubu thing, women are too inquisitive and allow their emotions to get the better of them. Who wants to entertain a girl who's in a sour mood and giving you the tampo treatment because she mind fucked herself with jealousy?
When a man gives his penis veto power over his brain, the outcome is often disastrous. Each time his brain told him it was a bad idea, his penis said go right ahead because it is going to be fun. It is typical Walking Penis Syndrome and there is no cure for it. All one can do is let it run its course to the inevitable conclusion.Very funny. We all are guilty in this regard. Some get caught in a circle of bad luck while others just enjoy and leave without any baggage. Long time ago I am guilty of making girls pregnant here in USA. Condom use was never heard of. Some girls were on the pill. Luckily children out of wedlock was frowned upon and all chose to abort the baby. Abortion was accepted and cheaper.
Just because penis controls behavior does not mean need to get stuck with relationships and alimony, child support etc.
It is natural to fool around with maid (sometimes easy lay) , co workers, girls you meet in bars etc irrespective of being married or not.
Anyway a Penis is the Boss LOL.
It is natural to fool around with maid (sometimes easy lay) I'm not accusing you of anything but a maid might be an easy lay because she's depending on you. She might give in to your advances because you are her boss and she doesn't want to lose her job.
WestCoast1
04-25-18, 15:26
It is natural to fool around with maid (sometimes easy lay) SNIP.Which does not make it smart. These things can run the risk of coming back to bite. So many other options on the menu.
Chocha Monger
04-25-18, 23:46
Many pensioners plan to marry or shack up with a young horny Pinay fuck monster then life happens and they get a high number on their PSA test, biopsy follows, and the surgeon wants to snip their prostate out. Should they let him? Here is one fellas story about why he wants his prostate back:
Your prostate gland labors in obscurity. The size of a golf ball, it's tucked away under your bladder, biding its time until you and your reproductive system decide to emit the sacred seed. Then the semen assembly line kicks in: The sperm swim up from your testicles to the seminal vesicles, and there they are mixed in a happy bath of fructose, vitamin see, and prostaglandins. This brew then proceeds to your prostate, which tops it off with enzymes, citric acid, and zinc before your man milk is propelled out of your body and into hers with rather pleasant smooth-muscle contractions. This long bomb triumphantly delivers your DNA into the end zone. Ah, glory days.
But around the time in your life when you start to think more about your 401 (k) than foreplay, your prostate starts to misfire. It swells in size, and the swelling clamps your urethra in a vise grip. If the cause of the swelling is benign, you're lucky. That's what those running-to-the-men's-room commercials for Flomax are all about. But some of the very same symptoms can also be caused by a prostate-cancer tumor.
It's June 18,2008, two nights before surgery. I'm in bed with my wife, and I miss my prostate already. I tell her that if and when we have sex again, there will be no ejaculate, no man milk, no wet spot. Henceforth I shall be seedless. You can see where I was going with this, can't you, guys? I was hoping I'd receive a happy send-off.
My wife says, "You should talk to your doctor about that. " Gosh, honey. Thanks.
Here's what patients think their doctors say: If you undergo the relatively new "nerve-sparing" prostate surgery, you will eventually return to the level of erectile function you enjoyed before you had the surgery. It may take weeks, months, or a couple of years, depending on age and prostate size but that mojo will return. That's what patients want to hear, too, so maybe they miss the doctors' qualifiers about "most men" and "in certain cases "
Unfortunately, that's just not the truth, says John L. Gore, M. The. , an assistant professor of urology at the University of Washington. "Even with a perfect surgery there's going to be some shutdown."
Dr. Gore is qualified to say this; he conducted one of the most recent studies of prostate-cancer patients and how surgery affects them. He and his UCLA colleague, Mark Litwin, M. The. , followed 475 prostate-cancer patients for 4 years. These patients received more scrutiny than the typical so-how's-your-erection questions from their doctors. They filled out a 20-minute questionnaire in the privacy of their homes before surgery and at 1, 2, 4, 8, 12, 18, 24,30, 36, 42, and 48 months afterward. And, no, things were not as they had been before.
"We're not saying sexual function is terrible after surgery," says Dr. Gore. "We're saying the likelihood of that function being exactly what it was before surgery is essentially zero. " And, he adds, you'll recover what you're going to recover within 2 years. "Beyond that, it is what it is."
Okay, so. Just how messed up are prostate patients? That question was answered by a nine-hospital study of 1,201 men, led by Martin Sanda, M. The. , director of the prostate-cancer center at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. After 2 years, radiation and brachytherapy patients complained most about urinary and bowel troubles; the 603 prostatectomy patients (93 percent of whom had nerve-sparing surgery) complained more about sexual function. To be blunt: Sixty-four percent of them said their erections were not firm enough for penetration (compared with 17 percent who had erection trouble before surgery), and just under half did not recover erections suitable for sex. This is, remember, 2 years after their surgery.
"One problem is that doctors often don't spend enough time with their patients to fully explain that sexual recovery typically takes years, not months, and often does not occur," Dr. Sanda says. "Men might assume that as long as they can have a nerve-sparing procedure, their sexuality will be fine. In reality, nerve sparing provides a reasonable chance for erection recovery, but it by no means guarantees it."
I'm not trying to pick a fight with urologic or cancer surgeons, but rather to help prostate-cancer patients have expectations that are more realistic. "Patients live a long time after treatment and many die with, rather than from, prostate cancer," notes Dr. Gore. "It's critical that they participate in shared decision making with their physicians so they don't come out of the process with regret."
I had no regrets. At first. I spent one night in the hospital, and 5 days later I taught a 3-hour class. Soon I'd quit inserting pink panty liners into my boxers. And urination became a reclaimed pleasure: I could whizz like a racehorse, just like in my teens.
As for what's clinically called "restoration of sexual function," here's my official report: I dunno. My marriage was a mess, so you can imagine the amount of sexual healing that didn't happen. But plenty of guys' marriages are, you know, meh just okay. So I wonder: Do a lot of wives think this is a dandy time to close up shop? How many other wives make it a habit to come to bed long after he's asleep?
I also wonder how much of the sexual wreckage is more than just nerve damage. Without any ejaculate, I feel like a broken toy. Like a water pistol that squirts jelly. (Or nothing.) If love ever comes my way again, I'll sort of dread it. I'll be a spectator at my own sexual rehab, and we all know what that does for an erection.
While wondering whether I'd ever again throw the high hard one, I read everything I could about prostate cancer. Within weeks I was filled with remorse. In early August less than 2 months post-op the USA Preventive Services Task Force, the nation's leading independent panel of experts in prevention and primary care, said doctors should no longer screen for prostate cancer in men age 75 and older. At that age, the panel reasoned, the harms from treating the cancer outweigh the benefits.
Engine Driver
04-26-18, 07:27
Many pensioners plan to marry or shack up with a young horny Pinay fuck monster then life happens and they get a high number on their PSA test, biopsy follows, and the surgeon wants to snip their prostate out. Should they let him? Here is one fellas story about why he wants his prostate back:
Mate, I think you are just wasting bandwidth here by posting irrelevant rubbish. This has got nothing to do with Pinays or the Philippines. The poor fellow could have got an enlarged prostate while minding his own business in the suburbs of Dayton, Ohio with his white American wife. For all we know, you could have just made up the story to test your fiction writing skills.
May I ask why your posts always have such a negative, sinister tone? Can't you contribute something positive, instead of alerting us to every danger which may or may not present itself in the Philippines?
Mate, I think you are just wasting bandwidth here by posting irrelevant rubbish. This has got nothing to do with Pinays or the Philippines. The poor fellow could have got an enlarged prostate while minding his own business in the suburbs of Dayton, Ohio with his white American wife. For all we know, you could have just made up the story to test your fiction writing skills.
May I ask why your posts always have such a negative, sinister tone? Can't you contribute something positive, instead of alerting us to every danger which may or may not present itself in the Philippines?Don't assume he is a mate. Could be a female. CM has never reported getting any pussy.
Tagalog2016
04-26-18, 11:23
This is a life story of one Filipina girl, which she told me once during little coming out party, when she was tipsy.
Let's call this girl Jenny, so that not to reveal her identity. She was born in Camaguin island in an ordinary family. Her father was an overseas worker, and as far as she can recall, in childhood she saw him not more than twice per year for a couple of weeks. When he was at home, he was always drunk and didn't pay too much attention to her and her younger sister.
When Jenny was 5, her family relocated to Cagayan de Oro in Mindanao. She still can distinctly remember their jobless neighbor Andrew, who spent all days long with her mama at their house and even sometimes stayed overnight, because according to her mother it was "too late and dangerous" for him to go home. On the rare occasions, when Jenny's father was back home, Andrew disappeared and never visited their house those days. For some reason, which Jenny can't explain, no one of their neighbors told her papa about mother's lover.
Two years later her parents separated, because her father found a younger woman, left his family and relocated to Siquijor island. Jenny with her sister were sent to Iligan city to her more well off aunt, and since then she hadn't heard of her parents for 7 years. Both mother and father started new family. Her mother settled in Davao, but her father left the woman from Siquijor with two newborn twins and relocated to Manila, where he found another mate for life.
Jenny lost her virginity, when she was 15. It happened with her cousin, whom with she used to attend the church on Sundays. That day the pastor was unable to come to the church because of severe hangover, and his wife collected monthly contribution from congregation instead of him. Although donation was non-mandatory, pastor always told them, that as more money they will contribute, as more God will love them. That's why Jenny was uncomfortable, that she is unable to donate anything, as her aunt never gave her any pocket money. Her cousin had pocket money and he always contributed. Jenny decided to ask some money from him that day to give it to the pastor's wife. The cousin said, that he would give her money, if she will get laid with him. Jenny happily agreed, because she was always curious of that process, she witnessed so many times at her aunt's house. When they were back from church, her cousin slammed Jenny down to the ground in the dark alley, and in 3 minutes the deed was done.
Although the first sex was unpleasant. Jenny started to fuck with her cousin from time to time in exchange of money. She didn't feel for him, so she raised the rates. If the first time at the church her cousin gave her just 50 peso, now she demanded not less than 100 peso from him for each fuck. In addition to that she had an affair with her school mate, but she loved him and fucked with him for free.
Then she got to know from her friends, that there is a way to become rich if to meet a foreigner. Her friends told her a lot of stories about their relatives, who got married with loaded westerners, as well as they shared their own experience of meeting foreigners who gave them generous gifts and paid for sex. Jenny enrolled at several dating sites and started her search.
The first foreigner, she met with was the old guy from Singapore, who intended to "participate in scientific conference" in Cagayan de Oro. He invited Jenny to meet him at his hotel in CDO. It was easy for her to fool her BF, because she quite often visited Cagayan de Oro with her friends. So she just said, it's going to be another meet up with her friends and she will stay overnight at her friend's relative house there.
Jenny admitted to me, that it was disgusting for her to suck old stinky half limp dick for the first time. Until then she didn't have an experience to fuck with old guys and she was very nervous. But she managed to fight her fear and disgust and got 1000 pesos tips from him. It was huge money, since her BF gave her only 500 pesos pocket money per week, and she was extremely happy. That's how everything started.
Within the next few months Jenny met with a couple tens guys, but all of them were a mere mongers who wanted just sex, so she still hadn't had experience of relationship with a foreigner. Then she got acquainted with English guy, who said, he wants serious relationship. Their correspondence lasted for three months, and Jenny was already tired of him, when her friend once suggested her to ask some money from that guy. Jenny invented a story, that she lives with her aunt and she borrowed 10000 pesos from her to pay for a semester of her tuition. Two days ago aunt's father died, and now she desperately needs money for funeral. It is utang na loob (debt of gratitude) for Jenny to repay her aunt at least 5000 in such hard moment of life. The foreigner believed that story and sent her p5000 by Western Union. It was a success for Jenny and she started to invent more and more stories to make him send money.
Once her Englishmen told, that he will come to Boracay in two weeks, and he wants Jenny to join him there. He sent her plane tickets from CDO to Cebu and from Cebu to Cacitlan, and Jenny had a dilemma, how to come to Boracay without her Pinoy BF knowing about it. She invented a story, that her papa just went back from overseas and now he wants to meet her in Cebu. She even showed a plane ticket to Cebu, bought by her "papa". Although Jenny was not close with her father, still they communicated by that time, and her pinoy BF knew her father.
To make a story more credible, she called her papa, who was resided in Mnaila and told him the truth, that she is going to meet a rich poriner, and that she told her pinoy BF, that she will meet with papa in Cebu. Her father was ok with that lie, since he used to cheat on women for all his life.
Jenny had a wonderful time with the Englishman in Boracay, and he even promised to marry her in one year and to take her to the UK. She was so happy. But when she was on vacation, new "wife" of her father, whom he told a story of his daughter, called the Pinoy boyfriend of Jenny and told him that Jenny lied him, and in fact she was in Boracay with the foreigner.
Pinoy BF was furious, and he kicked Jenny out of his parent's house, as soon as she returned to Iligan. Moreover his parents now demanded her to repay a debt for the tuition. Jenny relocated back to her aunt's house. It was a disaster for her, but still she managed to get away with it.
She convinced her English guy to give her more money. She told him a story, that her father desperately needs money to enroll for work overseas. She also was lucky to meet 8 foreign mongers within a short period of time plus borrowed some money from her aunt. Jenny decided to relocate to Manila, where she had a friend, who invited her to rent a bed space at her room for just 3000 pesos per month. Before she left Iligan, she met with her former Pinoy boyfriend to talk things out, which ended up with sex.
Now Jenny has been living in Manila for almost 2 years. She broke up with her Englishmen soon after she relocated, since he became suspicious of her rising appetite for money and strange relocation story. Now she is freelance prostitute, and she has been fortunate to find 2 foreign sponsors, whom with she meets only when they visit Philippines. No one of them knows, that he is not the only one. The other times, she specializes in mongers who pay for sex right away. She still hopes to get married the foreigner some day, but at the same time she is happy with what she has for now. She doesn't regret of anything.
Soapy Smith
04-26-18, 14:58
Could be a female. CM has never reported getting any pussy.If you go back far enough in the history of the forum, you will find at least two such reports. The one I remember best involved sending two Burgos women bleeding and crying to the CR, then kicking them out without paying. But the narrative was so incredible that at the time I observed that it read more like a "Letter to Penthouse" than anything real. I assume Penthouse would have been creative enough to hire women to write some of those silly letters. So imagine CM as a former female Penthouse letter writer. Some of the flair and imagination is still there, but now it has taken this sado-masochistic form of misandry. Sadly, this kind of sickness may thrive on comments like ours.
Don't assume he is a mate. Could be a female. CM has never reported getting any pussy.If you look at its posts in the thread American Women I doubt it's a female.
Soapy Smith
04-27-18, 10:20
If you look at its posts in the thread American Women I doubt it's a female.I put him on ignore a couple weeks ago and will not remove the ignore under these circumstances. But from his posts to which others in the American Women forum have replied, I see nothing to convince me that CM is necessarily a man.
Answers to the questions you probably didn't want to ask anyway.
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/4-common-vaginal-odours-mean-143100330.html
TomJones06
05-03-18, 15:04
Hello all,
I have come to this forum seeking guidance. Next week will be my first trip to A. See and I'm pretty excited, but I always like to arrive at a new destination as prepared as possible. A majority of my mongering trips have been working vacations as I am a you. S Navy Sailor. My solo trips include Mexico, Thailand, and Singapore, so not a whole lot of experience. After a few days reading through the forum I have learned a lot, but I would appreciate a bit of further guidance. Seeing as how I'm active duty Navy, I have been reluctant thus far to have any photographic evidence of my trips. After seeing some of the pics on here I think I want to change that. What is the best way to approach a pinay woman about photos / movies? From what I can gather, A. See during the day is kind of boring so I think I'll take a few day trips outside the city. I am an avid cyclist and kayaker, so would you all recommend Subic bay, or Manila for those activities and, or more daytime activities in general? I'm a street food kind of guy, but I haven't seen much mention of the quality of it in the Philippines. Is my $45 daily food budget safe, or should I plan on eating at restaurants every meal and spending more? Finally, I've read that pinay women don't do any anal activities. I normally don't either, but after having had my ass licked by a Japanese woman I kind of want it to happen again. Can anyone confirm or deny a pinay anal play reluctance?
Soapy Smith
05-03-18, 17:43
Hello all,
I have come to this forum seeking guidance. Next week will be my first trip to A. See and I'm pretty excited, but I always like to arrive at a new destination as prepared as possible. A majority of my mongering trips have been working vacations as I am a you. S Navy Sailor. My solo trips include Mexico, Thailand, and Singapore, so not a whole lot of experience. After a few days reading through the forum I have learned a lot, but I would appreciate a bit of further guidance. Seeing as how I'm active duty Navy, I have been reluctant thus far to have any photographic evidence of my trips. After seeing some of the pics on here I think I want to change that.
Thank you for your service.
You will have some wonderful memories of delightful times with Pinays, so it's not clear why you even need photographic evidence. Given some recent history of government officials being disciplined or fired when evidence of their p4p activities in Latin America went public, I would be inclined to refrain from photography. If you must take photos for your own reviewing later, protect them carefully. You can take a few tips from some of the photos in the Phils gallery: take photos from behind or without faces showing, and let the women see the images when they're done to reassure them that their identities will not be revealed.
$45 per day for meals is more than enough for eating in restaurants. There are some potential dangers in streetside vendors' food. In particular, with meat cooked on hibachi grills, there is no telling how long it sat in the ice chest, nor how the ice in the chest was maintained. You also need to be careful with raw vegetables because you have no idea whether local water was used to wash them. One of the few streetside foods I eat are the green mangoes. They will slice them in wedges as you watch, peel away the skin, and give you a little bag of salt and chili pepper pieces to dip the sour fruit in. Eliminating the peel presumably eliminates potential problems. In general, you should keep in mind that Filipinos have immunities to many of the bacterial strains in water and elsewhere, whereas your exposure to the same elements can give you a very nasty dose of "turista" that will incapacitate you throughout your planned R&R. Better restaurants filter their tap water, but many lower-end eateries do not, and especially not streetside vendors. Others may have additional specific advice.
I think you can forget kayaking in Manila, whereas bicycling can be unpleasant because of frequent smoke in the air. Subic offers some possibilities, such as bicycling around the roadways of the economic development zone. You would not want to kayak in the areas of Subic Bay near Olongapo City, but water in the back (southwest) side of the bay seems to be cleaner. There may also be vendors that will boat you to the outer reaches of the bay, but you will take up the better part of a day doing this. Search Subic Bay commercial websites for possible kayak rentals.
What is the best way to approach a pinay woman about photos / movies? Unlike western women that values privacy, Filipinos in general loved to be photographed. Just bring out your camera and click away.
TurdyCurdyOne
05-03-18, 18:27
Hello all,
I have come to this forum seeking guidance. Next week will be my first trip to A. See and I'm pretty excited, but I always like to arrive at a new destination as prepared as possible. A majority of my mongering trips have been working vacations as I am a you. S Navy Sailor. My solo trips include Mexico, Thailand, and Singapore, so not a whole lot of experience. After a few days reading through the forum I have learned a lot, but I would appreciate a bit of further guidance. Seeing as how I'm active duty Navy, I have been reluctant thus far to have any photographic evidence of my trips. After seeing some of the pics on here I think I want to change that. What is the best way to approach a pinay woman about photos / movies? From what I can gather, A. See during the day is kind of boring so I think I'll take a few day trips outside the city. I am an avid cyclist and kayaker, so would you all recommend Subic bay, or Manila for those activities and, or more daytime activities in general? I'm a street food kind of guy, but I haven't seen much mention of the quality of it in the Philippines. Is my $45 daily food budget safe, or should I plan on eating at restaurants every meal and spending more? Finally, I've read that pinay women don't do any anal activities. I normally don't either, but after having had my ass licked by a Japanese woman I kind of want it to happen again. Can anyone confirm or deny a pinay anal play reluctance?Well, hard to say, will you be eating alone? If so, $45 is plenty enough, but that does not include 6 beers or other drinks.
You can spend as little as $10 a day on up, if you eat like a local. If you go to high end restaurants you will be gouged. Good restaurant, figure $5-10. Expensive restaurants more.
Re anal: BJs are considered "dirty" by this culture, but many women do them. Depends on the status of the woman. Most women do not like to do anal, because it can hurt like an sob if it's not done right. Why would you want to do anal? Increases your risk of HIV (I always wear a condom, so should you). If you pick a girl with a tight snatch you don't need to do anal. However determining if she has a tight one is problematical-in general any young woman with no kids. But depends on the woman.
Just ask them. If they are pros or semi-pros, even if they are regular girls, they will tell you. Do not ask them in presence of others, they will automatically say no. Cannot help you on the tourist stuff, I don't do that.
Hello all,
I have come to this forum seeking guidance. Next week will be my first trip to A. See and I'm pretty excited, but I always like to arrive at a new destination as prepared as possible. A majority of my mongering trips have been working vacations as I am a you. S Navy Sailor. My solo trips include Mexico, Thailand, and Singapore, so not a whole lot of experience. After a few days reading through the forum I have learned a lot, but I would appreciate a bit of further guidance. Seeing as how I'm active duty Navy, I have been reluctant thus far to have any photographic evidence of my trips. After seeing some of the pics on here I think I want to change that. What is the best way to approach a pinay woman about photos / movies? From what I can gather, A. See during the day is kind of boring so I think I'll take a few day trips outside the city. I am an avid cyclist and kayaker, so would you all recommend Subic bay, or Manila for those activities and, or more daytime activities in general? I'm a street food kind of guy, but I haven't seen much mention of the quality of it in the Philippines. Is my $45 daily food budget safe, or should I plan on eating at restaurants every meal and spending more? Finally, I've read that pinay women don't do any anal activities. I normally don't either, but after having had my ass licked by a Japanese woman I kind of want it to happen again. Can anyone confirm or deny a pinay anal play reluctance?I'd be very careful about bringing any pics of "local delicacies" back home with me. The "risk to rewards" analysis falls short for me. A Sailor returning from leave in the Philippines is just to tempting a target for the Customs and Immigration guys to give a workover. Just watch free internet Asian porn websites when you are stateside.
But that is just me.
Member #4566
05-05-18, 00:39
I'd be very careful about bringing any pics of "local delicacies" back home with me. The "risk to rewards" analysis falls short for me. A Sailor returning from leave in the Philippines is just to tempting a target for the Customs and Immigration guys to give a workover. Just watch free internet Asian porn websites when you are stateside.
But that is just me.Dear Tom Jones.
I would send pics to an email and then delete them on your camera before going through any clearance. $45 a day is more than adequate. Korean restaurants are all over. They are cheap, served generously, and appetizing.
During an intimate massage, I have the girl massage the old tired brown eye. Sweeten the request with a promise of a tip. Maybe I will think to bring some latex gloves the next time I go so as to assuage her reluctance. Nah, it feels too good ungloved.
Mr Enternational
05-05-18, 01:29
What are you guys talking about? Ain't nobody ever gotten into trouble for entering the USA with nekkit pictures of a grown woman; because there is nothing illegal about having nekkit pictures of a grown woman. All this super secret squirrel stuff is ridiculous.
What are you guys talking about? Ain't nobody ever gotten into trouble for entering the USA with nekkit pictures of a grown woman; because there is nothing illegal about having nekkit pictures of a grown woman. All this super secret squirrel stuff is ridiculous.Nobody checks your e mails, pictures, intimate items routinely. Only if you bring contraband articles you will be subjected to thorough search. Even then having compromising pictures of legal adults is not a crime. Immigration generally knows why you go alone to certain countries. Some have asked me if I had fun. Going to " date girls in other countries " is not illegal. Engaging in sex is not illegal as long as it is consensual. Bringing photos on your personal electronics is not illegal unless you are pimping those girls to other people.
Nobody checks your e mails, pictures, intimate items routinely. Only if you bring contraband articles you will be subjected to thorough search. Even then having compromising pictures of legal adults is not a crime. Immigration generally knows why you go alone to certain countries. Some have asked me if I had fun. Going to " date girls in other countries " is not illegal. Engaging in sex is not illegal as long as it is consensual. Bringing photos on your personal electronics is not illegal unless you are pimping those girls to other people.It is not illegal but occasionally you get a border agent who wants to impose his own version of morality on someone. He cannot really do anything except make it very difficult for you to get past him, perhaps delaying your making your connecting flight. US border agents can and occasionally will not only look at everything on your phone but also will demand your on line passwords and ask about stuff stored online and accessed through your electronic devices. They also not only look at the data there but will keep it as well as your passwords and look further later.
If you have a nice snap of a 19 year old, all they have to say is they think she is not of legal age and you are in a world of hurt my friend. Your constitutional right to be assumed innocient until proven guilty simply does not apply at the border and since Asian women often look younger that they are to western guys it can happen.
It is really only US agents that do this sort of thing. That is why I will always try not to have a connection in the USA, the more moral than thou attitude of some US border agents is enough to never want to cross their borders again. Every international border crossing where I have been hassled or questioned has been with a US agent. No other country has ever given me a second look when crossing.
I know that there is not much chance of it happening but just the fact that they can and have done this sort of thing is enough to convince me to stay out of the USA. As you can infer from my username, I have lots of visa's and stamps from middle east places and Afghanistan in my passport and this always gets some interest from the US border agents. I have when entering by vehicle had to empty the car, have them spend a couple hours going through everything. I often get SSSS stamped on my bordering passes and am subjected to a very strict security screen.
BTW anyone on a military establishment is always subject to search so being a military guy increases your odds of being searched eventually not reducing it. All it will take is some asshole to make a comment that GI Joe has pictures on his phone of someone less than legal age and he can very well be searched by some senior person who takes offense to our hobby. Again not illegal but do you really want a comment "of poor moral virtue" or something similar on your performance review.
It is always best to keep everything about our hobby as private as possible. Upload your pictures to an online backup, delete that app from your phone and all reference to the app from a password manager so that a review of your phone cannot show that you use that online backup. You can download the pictures as soon as you enter the country. You traveled for vacation, not to date girls, and especially not for pay to date girls. Delete all dating apps and all online chats before crossing the border. You can reinstall later and if you backup up your chats you can reload them as well.
Mr Enternational
05-05-18, 05:16
It is always best to keep everything about our hobby as private as possible. Upload your pictures to an online backup, delete that app from your phone and all reference to the app from a password manager so that a review of your phone cannot show that you use that online backup. You can download the pictures as soon as you enter the country. You traveled for vacation, not to date girls, and especially not for pay to date girls. Delete all dating apps and all online chats before crossing the border. You can reinstall later and if you backup up your chats you can reload them as well.Seriously man you are taking this way too far. I have entered the US hundreds of times and never any of this stuff about someone trying to impose morality. I have literally told the immigration officer that I was out of the country fucking hookers and all he said was welcome back. They simply don't care. The number one way that people get in trouble for doing ILLEGAL stuff is that someone tells on them. They get a tip. Thousands of people are entering at each border everyday. They don't have time for that BS you are talking about of two consenting adults hooking up for free or for money. Again, if you are not doing illegal shit then there is nothing to worry about. And if you ARE doing illegal shit then I hope you get caught!
WestCoast1
05-05-18, 07:32
Seriously man you are taking this way too far. I have entered the US hundreds of times and never any of this stuff about someone trying to impose morality. I have literally told the immigration officer that I was out of the country fucking hookers and all he said was welcome back. They simply don't care. The number one way that people get in trouble for doing ILLEGAL stuff is that someone tells on them. They get a tip. Thousands of people are entering at each border everyday. They don't have time for that BS you are talking about of two consenting adults hooking up for free or for money. Again, if you are not doing illegal shit then there is nothing to worry about. And if you ARE doing illegal shit then I hope you get caught!Respectfully disagree. I also travel into the US by land, sea, and air. Almost always I'm waved right thru; a few simple questions at Immigration maybe. However twice in the last 5 years I've been stopped and my hardware was molested. Once a drug-sniff dog hit on my backpack after I'd cleared both Immigration and Customs with my luggage. They hauled me back for inspection (the dog had hit on some fruit in my backpack). They weren't much interested in my phone, but they took my laptop off for about 15 minutes (it was encrypted and they couldn't get past the initial pre-boot password).
On another occasion they pulled me aside at the Immigration desk. The guy never bothered to ask any questions: "Step over here sir". They led me to an office with a desk and chairs. This time they were interested in my phone. They walked off with it and 10 minutes later another Immigration officer came in with my phone and was looking thru it. It took them less than 10 minutes to hack into my phone. They didn't find anything because I'd offloaded the pics and sanitized the phone. I asked what he was looking for. "Pictures!" Why was I singled out? "Random. The computer puts a message on the Immigration officer's computer". Am I being detained? "No. You can go".
ICE is like a box of chocolates.
TomJones06
05-05-18, 10:12
I'd be very careful about bringing any pics of "local delicacies" back home with me. The "risk to rewards" analysis falls short for me. A Sailor returning from leave in the Philippines is just to tempting a target for the Customs and Immigration guys to give a workover. Just watch free internet Asian porn websites when you are stateside.
But that is just me.Not worried about that at all, I'm stationed overseas and my CO gave me a wink and a nod when he approved my trip.
Mr Enternational
05-05-18, 12:15
This time they were interested in my phone. They walked off with it and 10 minutes later another Immigration officer came in with my phone and was looking thru it. It took them less than 10 minutes to hack into my phone. They didn't find anything because I'd offloaded the pics and sanitized the phone. I asked what he was looking for. "Pictures!" Why was I singled out? "Random. The computer puts a message on the Immigration officer's computer". Am I being detained? "No. You can go".
ICE is like a box of chocolates.They have looked through my phone and tablet and written the IMEI code down and poked the inside of my bag with an awl. I have plenty of nekkit pictures in my phone. Nothing to worry about because once again they are looking for illegal things. Fucking grown women or having pictures of them is not illegal.
It is not illegal but occasionally you get a border agent who wants to impose his own version of morality on someone. He cannot really do anything except make it very difficult for you to get past him, perhaps delaying your making your connecting flight. US border agents can and occasionally will not only look at everything on your phone but also will demand your on line passwords and ask about stuff stored online and accessed through your electronic devices. They also not only look at the data there but will keep it as well as your passwords and look further later.
If you have a nice snap of a 19 year old, all they have to say is they think she is not of legal age and you are in a world of hurt my friend. Your constitutional right to be assumed innocient until proven guilty simply does not apply at the border and since Asian women often look younger that they are to western guys it can happen.
It is really only US agents that do this sort of thing. That is why I will always try not to have a connection in the USA, the more moral than thou attitude of some US border agents is enough to never want to cross their borders again. Every international border crossing where I have been hassled or questioned has been with a US agent. No other country has ever given me a second look when crossing.
I know that there is not much chance of it happening but just the fact that they can and have done this sort of thing is enough to convince me to stay out of the USA. As you can infer from my username, I have lots of visa's and stamps from middle east places and Afghanistan in my passport and this always gets some interest from the US border agents. I have when entering by vehicle had to empty the car, have them spend a couple hours going through everything. I often get SSSS stamped on my bordering passes and am subjected to a very strict security screen.
BTW anyone on a military establishment is always subject to search so being a military guy increases your odds of being searched eventually not reducing it. All it will take is some asshole to make a comment that GI Joe has pictures on his phone of someone less than legal age and he can very well be searched by some senior person who takes offense to our hobby. Again not illegal but do you really want a comment "of poor moral virtue" or something similar on your performance review.
It is always best to keep everything about our hobby as private as possible. Upload your pictures to an online backup, delete that app from your phone and all reference to the app from a password manager so that a review of your phone cannot show that you use that online backup. You can download the pictures as soon as you enter the country. You traveled for vacation, not to date girls, and especially not for pay to date girls. Delete all dating apps and all online chats before crossing the border. You can reinstall later and if you backup up your chats you can reload them as well.All I can say is your name red flagged for some reason. That is why they are checking you thoroughly. Once you are red flagged you will be treated as criminal least of which is morality. I have carried my I pad openly and they never ever checked it. A friend of mine was checked all the time because his name matches I believe of somebody they have red flagged.
Bottom line is if you are clean and not bringing contrabands you fine even if you have pictures of girls. Yes, maybe copy to your e mail and erase pictures is a good idea but they see at and as easily get into your e mail if they suspect anything. How can you refuse to give your password when detained?
WestCoast1
05-05-18, 20:10
Bottom line is if you are clean and not bringing contrabands you fine even if you have pictures of girls. Yes, maybe copy to your e mail and erase pictures is a good idea but they see at and as easily get into your e mail if they suspect anything. How can you refuse to give your password when detained?Each time my device was taken (different entries), it was not powered up. An agent simply walked away with it. Nobody asked for a password. When the laptop was taken, a few minutes later an agent returned and asked for my password (there were 3 passwords on that laptop: a pre-boot PW, a drive-encryption PW, and the Windows PW). I politely declined. He informed me that I could be detained or the laptop confiscated until I gave the password. I specifically asked if I didn't give the password, could I be let go and they could keep the laptop. The agent said possibly, yes. He said that if they kept the device that I could get it back whenever they were done with it. He departed and came back a bit later with the laptop, handed it to me, and wished me a good day. Apparently they weren't dying to get into it (I was detained for the fruit).
When the phone was taken. At the initial Immigration booth, the agent (#1) didn't take my passport. As I approached the booth he simply directed me to step aside and wait for another agent (which means the stop was random). Agent (#2) came and escorted me to a small office, then left. Agents #3 and #4 came and chatted me up with standard questions, scanned my passport, and asked if I had a cell phone and took it. It was powered off. They left me alone in the office for a bit, and agent #5 came in with my (now PIN-unlocked) phone, swiping through pics. I kept my mouth shut. He sat across from me intently looking and swiping, ignoring me. "You like architecture?" Yes sir (there were oodles of Makati skyscraper pics). What are you looking at? "Pictures!" Is there something on the phone I can help you find? "No". I don't think they had the phone long enough to hook it to a computer and download everything out of it. I was surprised at how fast they cracked the 4-digit PIN. Finally the agent gave me the phone and walked me out to the queue for Customs declaration / departure.
The vast majority of my experiences inbounding are similar to others: no hassles. Except for the above.
Regarding getting into your email. I think you're talking about getting into an email account that's on the phone. A somewhat different scenario happened coming back from Mexico some years ago. The Immigration agent swiped my passport. She asked the usual questions and asked if I'd been to XYZ college in the mid-west (seemed odd). "Yes ma'am". Graduate in 1980? "Yes ma'am". She smiled and informed me that we went to the same college at the same time, living in dormitories near each other. I asked how she knew my college. "Its here on my screen. There are other databases we can access to get information about you". Great! "For example, is your email blahblah@yahoo.com?" Yes ma'am. How did you know that? "Its the email you use to communicate with the State Department". Doh! And can you read my emails? She smiled and handed me my passport, sending me on my way. Un-nerving. If true, uploading pics to your email to hide them might not be the trick.
Mr Enternational
05-05-18, 21:43
Damn Westy. Finally someone with a first hand story. The time they wanted to see mine was last year when I was leaving the country to go to Peru. I walk through the door at the gate about to go get on the plane and there were 2 agents, man and a lady, with a copy of my passport. They went through all my things and looked in my devices and wrote the numbers down.
For some reason I had been flagged because my global entry was revoked February last year, then they kept putting me through secondary searches when I would enter the country. Nobody could ever tell me the reason. I talked to the immigration bosses in several cities and they told me to write in to ask because they didn't know why. I wrote in and they wouldn't say anything either.
My friend said I should write in to my senator. I haven't been worried about it lately because they stopped sending me to secondary and mobile passport is just as fast and most time faster than global entry. It seems the people that things like this have happened to are less paranoid than those that it has not happened to. Maybe because we already know what to expect.
Went through this recently, (no girlfriend at the moment, but a possibility soon). Nerves not spared, so hoping the implant will work in the near future.
Many pensioners plan to marry or shack up with a young horny Pinay fuck monster then life happens and they get a high number on their PSA test, biopsy follows, and the surgeon wants to snip their prostate out. Should they let him? Here is one fellas story about why he wants his prostate back:
Your prostate gland labors in obscurity. The size of a golf ball, it's tucked away under your bladder, biding its time until you and your reproductive system decide to emit the sacred seed. Then the semen assembly line kicks in: The sperm swim up from your testicles to the seminal vesicles, and there they are mixed in a happy bath of fructose, vitamin see, and prostaglandins. This brew then proceeds to your prostate, which tops it off with enzymes, citric acid, and zinc before your man milk is propelled out of your body and into hers with rather pleasant smooth-muscle contractions. This long bomb triumphantly delivers your DNA into the end zone. Ah, glory days.
What are you guys talking about? Ain't nobody ever gotten into trouble for entering the USA with nekkit pictures of a grown woman; because there is nothing illegal about having nekkit pictures of a grown woman. All this super secret squirrel stuff is ridiculous.I agree that naked pictures of grown women are not illegal in the USA and a lot of other countries, at least as long as the women are clearly 18+. But we all know Asian girls can look much younger than they are so that's already a point of concern. As experienced mongers we are used to their looks and probably more capable to determine if they are really 18+ or not than the average immigration officer.
But beside that there is another major point of concern: pornography is illegal in most (if not all) SE Asian countries. More than enough reason for me not to have any naked pictures on my phone, laptop or in my email. Even when law enforcement is light in some countries. Better safe than sorry.
Chocha Monger
05-07-18, 17:06
Went through this recently, (no girlfriend at the moment, but a possibility soon). Nerves not spared, so hoping the implant will work in the near future.Make certain to get the biggest cock implant possible, as there is a bit of shrinkage from the scar tissue. Do not get the pump-up model. The 'spring-loaded' model is much better, because it can deploy at will, and it is always ready to go. It will be like having a switchblade for a cock. Once it locks into position, it can stab puss all night long. There is no need to pause for a reload, as is the case with Viagra and other broken-boner pills.
The great thing about having an implant cock is the girls never know a monger comes, if he avoids making fuck faces, as he only shoots powder or a few drops of jelly at the most. That means the monger can get in two or three nuts nonstop in a short-time session with the cum-and-done girls, and the girl are none the wiser.
Haven't heard of a "spring-loaded" version, can't really find anything online. Sounds interesting though!
Make certain to get the biggest cock implant possible, as there is a bit of shrinkage from the scar tissue. Do not get the pump-up model. The 'spring-loaded' model is much better, because it can deploy at will, and it is always ready to go. It will be like having a switchblade for a cock. Once it locks into position, it can stab puss all night long. There is no need to pause for a reload, as is the case with Viagra and other broken-boner pills.
The great thing about having an implant cock is the girls never know a monger comes, if he avoids making fuck faces, as he only shoots powder or a few drops of jelly at the most. That means the monger can get in two or three nuts nonstop in a short-time session with the cum-and-done girls, and the girl are none the wiser.
Chocha Monger
05-08-18, 00:48
Haven't heard of a "spring-loaded" version, can't really find anything online. Sounds interesting though!It is called the semi-rigid malleable penile implant, and remains permanently hard. It is like having a fueled RS-28 Sarmat on the launch pad awaiting launch.
http://www.impotence-guide.com/penile-implant-types.html
Its a part of my recent travel report. Since it is kind of opinion about Phil girls so I m posting here.
Introduction: From 14th April to 30th April, 2018, I was in Philippines. Visited Manila, Bacolod and Cebu. It was in total 16 nights staying in Philippine and I meet with 16 girls. But concluded with a score of 14. None was of WG; none was picked in exchange of money. All were come from dating sites except one was my regular in connection of US.
The foot note: The IQ and late arriving of Phil girls has been discussed here several times. As usual it was always happening with me too. Late arriving may be tolerated in considering of Manila traffic but I get tired and clue less how to escape myself with their dumb act. Example: If the girl not a repeat generally I used to meet with new girl in any well known point where we can find ourselves in nice way. A girl coming from Marikina and we decided to meet at Cubao MRT station on entrance of Arneta Center. But it became clue less to me why she is waiting for me some where a 7/11 under the station Cubao LRT 2. If more to say I thought Cubao LRT2 might be well known so for another girl I decided to meet at the big MacDonald just under the station. But it made me furiously mad when she said she is waiting at Cubao MRT. So I got to walk from Cubao LRT2 to MRT and cost me another Taxi for 150 peso to reach my hotel with the girl. One was supposed to arrive at MRT but she was waiting at LRT2 and the other one supposed to meet at LRT2 but arrived at MRT. Oh God I m clue less.
Whatever dumb or not but they are not ashamed to show their attitude. With another one we decided to meet at the MacDonald just under the Taft Ave MRT; but she sent text to me she is waiting at the Jolibee inside the mall connected with Taft Ave MRT and it was other side form where I was waiting for her. It is not she don't know the meeting point; it is what she is showing her attitude that the Man should find the girl not by her.
The conclusion: I forgiven and in love to all pinays; they are open armed and full widen legs for us we coming and Cumming. Might be we are welcomed because of they are not using their brain and obsessed with their pleasure.
The details travel report coming on in General report thread.
IgoforAsian
06-09-18, 00:24
The IQ and late arriving of Phil girls has been discussed here several times. As usual it was always happening with me too. Late arriving may be tolerated in considering of Manila traffic but I get tired and clue less how to escape myself with their dumb act. I think the best solution to this common problem is to download the "Grab" app (like Uber; Grab has actually bought out Uber in the Philippines) and use it to bring the girl to you (you can use your smart phone from home but you will need some sort of local cell phone to receive a text to activate your account). Even better, you can add your credit card info to the Grab app and that way all fares are pre-paid. The Grab technique is not entirely foolproof as it sometimes can be tricky to get the driver to find your girl for pick-up if she is not in an obvious and easy pick-up location, so try to get her to go to an easy pick up location, I. E. In front of a 7-11 or other easy to find store, rather than some remote back-street residential address.
Once she is safely in the car, you can easily track her progress on the map within the app, while relaxing in your comfortable air-conditioned room. No need to rush down to pay the driver if the fare is pre-paid on your credit card. Another nice thing is you will get more dates this way as the girl doesn't have to pay her transport up front and risk you not reimbursing her, and it also eliminates the "send me money for my transport" hassle / scam.
Whatever dumb or not but they are not ashamed to show their attitude. With another one we decided to meet at the MacDonald just under the Taft Ave MRT; but she sent text to me she is waiting at the Jolibee inside the mall connected with Taft Ave MRT and it was other side form where I was waiting for her. It is not she don't know the meeting point; it is what she is showing her attitude that the Man should find the girl not by her.It is so true that they have problems arranging meeting places in a new area. \I have learned to adjust my language in an effort to make it better for me.
Previously: I would know my meeting area and choose an obvious meeting place for instance: Meet at the Jollibee near Terminal.
Now: What meeting place do you (to the girl) know to met near Terminal?
The other good one is along the lines of Yes, we meet at Jollibee. I'm at Jollibee. Me too etc etc. Eventually she says "Yes, I can see Jollibee". BUT she not AT Jollibee and you have no idea from where she can see it.
I don't think it's a "power" thing, just generally some pinay do not have good navigation outside of their common visiting places.
Like you said, once they do meet us they welcome us.
Chocha Monger
07-17-18, 02:44
Married mother-of-two 50-year-old Pinay cheats husband with her high school student!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5955083/Teacher-arrested-sleeping-underage-high-school-student.html
WestCoast1
07-17-18, 21:05
Married mother-of-two 50-year-old Pinay cheats husband with her high school student!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5955083/Teacher-arrested-sleeping-underage-high-school-student.htmlDid the article mention that she is Filipina?
Married mother-of-two 50-year-old Pinay cheats husband with her high school student!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5955083/Teacher-arrested-sleeping-underage-high-school-student.htmlDoesn't seem relevant to the forum. Please explain.
It is so true that they have problems arranging meeting places in a new area. \I have learned to adjust my language in an effort to make it better for me.
Previously: I would know my meeting area and choose an obvious meeting place for instance: Meet at the Jollibee near Terminal.
Now: What meeting place do you (to the girl) know to met near Terminal?
The other good one is along the lines of Yes, we meet at Jollibee. I'm at Jollibee. Me too etc etc. Eventually she says "Yes, I can see Jollibee". BUT she not AT Jollibee and you have no idea from where she can see it.
I don't think it's a "power" thing, just generally some pinay do not have good navigation outside of their common visiting places.
Like you said, once they do meet us they welcome us.It is not their fault. Unlike western girls where the system of individuality come Phi girls rarely venture out alone. Usually they are accompanied by family or friends. So sense of direction is not there. Many a time when I asked the girl to meet me they asked if they can bring somebody. Initially I thought it is because they are afraid but later found out they simply do not know much about transportation and where to go. As young girls they are afraid to ask for directions because there are many shady characters on the streets. Being generally many of them do not have money to travel and explore.
IMHO and with some scientific backing, women are just different with directions. Money and access to mobile data is a problem but I take care of that with passa load. With the really challenged, I ask them to go to an intersection or store send me pictures of the street sign / store and a 180/360 set of pictures. I can usually find them with maps or street view. Some phones have flaky GPS so they can only get you close if you have patience to walk them through the process of sending their location.
Now: What meeting place do you (to the girl) know to met near Terminal?
I don't think it's a "power" thing, just generally some pinay do not have good navigation outside of their common visiting places.
So sense of direction is not there. Many a time when I asked the girl to meet me they asked if they can bring somebody. Initially I thought it is because they are afraid but later found out they simply do not know much about transportation and where to go. As young girls they are afraid to ask for directions because there are many shady characters on the streets. Being generally many of them do not have money to travel and explore.
It is not their fault. Unlike western girls where the system of individuality come Phi girls rarely venture out alone. Usually they are accompanied by family or friends. So sense of direction is not there. Many a time when I asked the girl to meet me they asked if they can bring somebody. Initially I thought it is because they are afraid but later found out they simply do not know much about transportation and where to go. As young girls they are afraid to ask for directions because there are many shady characters on the streets. Being generally many of them do not have money to travel and explore.And I might add that they are deadly afraid to travel at night especially by taxi in Manila. I have had girls refuse to come after dark no matter what I would give them. Also some would not go home from my hotel at night. Later I found out most of the neighborhoods they lived in were not safe to be out at night.
Lucky for me the ones that came after dark brought a friend with them!
Doesn't seem relevant to the forum. Please explain.He harbors contempt for Pinays and consistently denigrates them. I guess it doesn't matter where they are located. This Pinay has a long career as a public school teacher in bum fuck valley, California, quite possibly 2nd or 3rd generation American.
Married mother-of-two 50-year-old Pinay cheats husband with her high school student!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5955083/Teacher-arrested-sleeping-underage-high-school-student.htmlAt least she should have enough money for a good lawyer. $ 133,000 a year, is that a normal salary for a teacher in the US?
ClamSlammer
07-18-18, 10:34
At least she should have enough money for a good lawyer. $ 133,000 a year, is that a normal salary for a teacher in the US?$133 k / yr is not normal salary for a high school P. E. Teacher. Something is seriously out of whack. It's California but Fresno area, which has a lot lower cost of living than the rest of Califormia. Fresno is right at or slightly above the median USA cost of living. I'the venture to guess her salary is about half of what was reported.
$133 k / yr is not normal salary for a high school P. E. Teacher. Something is seriously out of whack. It's California but Fresno area, which has a lot lower cost of living than the rest of Califormia. Fresno is right at or slightly above the median USA cost of living. I'the venture to guess her salary is about half of what was reported.News article said 133 k including benefits. Benefits probably includes medical, pension, life ins and other employer costs. Leaving probably 100 k for her. Still a high amount for the area.
Naked Gunz
07-19-18, 00:26
At least she should have enough money for a good lawyer. $ 133,000 a year, is that a normal salary for a teacher in the US?Maybe she had a high-level degree. She was at the same school for a long time, which boosts pay a bit, but still, that's a lot of cash. Teachers are seriously (under) paid! Maybe she was fucking somebody else for that salary!
Naked Gunz
07-19-18, 00:30
And I might add that they are deadly afraid to travel at night especially by taxi in Manila. I have had girls refuse to come after dark no matter what I would give them. Also some would not go home from my hotel at night. Later I found out most of the neighborhoods they lived in were not safe to be out at night.That coupled with the fact that women are biologically hardwired to be wary of risk and change.
Have been seeing a regular girl reasonably seriously for most of this year. She's 22 which also makes her fun and also make her immature. Starting to suggest too many rules and lifestyle changes for my middle aged, second time around liking. I though it was a big deal until a day later she's back on the dating sites. Guess I'm not that hard to forget.
Why can't Filipino just be content with their lot in life? Life's good with her but she wants more of me than I can give.
She will make the next guy very happy. I've trained her well.
Next!
Cheers.
Maybe horizontal aerobics coaching was one of the unstated job descriptions.
Starting to suggest too many rules and lifestyle changes for my middle aged, second time around liking.
Why can't Filipino just be content with their lot in life? Life's good with her but she wants more of me than I can give..I chat with DIA girls and at first they are so anxious to meet and then after a few days of chatting and she thinks I am hooked they begin to get demanding for commitment, etc. That is a turn off and not what I want. They do seem to follow pattern of woman world wide. Always wanting more when they think they have man in their pocket. Trading sex for submission. Anyone have a strategy to slow them down and stick to what I want?
I chat with DIA girls and at first they are so anxious to meet and then after a few days of chatting and she thinks I am hooked they begin to get demanding for commitment, etc. That is a turn off and not what I want. They do seem to follow pattern of woman world wide. Always wanting more when they think they have man in their pocket. Trading sex for submission. Anyone have a strategy to slow them down and stick to what I want?Yes sir. Stay off dating sites. Stop dating.
I chat with DIA girls and at first they are so anxious to meet and then after a few days of chatting and she thinks I am hooked they begin to get demanding for commitment, etc. That is a turn off and not what I want. They do seem to follow pattern of woman world wide. Always wanting more when they think they have man in their pocket. Trading sex for submission. Anyone have a strategy to slow them down and stick to what I want?Had the same problem at home with a girl who kept on calling needing money, calling even though I told her I was out of town. Every two days the calls would go on and on, needing money. Then I fucked her in the ass and the calls stopped.
Had the same problem at home with a girl who kept on calling needing money, calling even though I told her I was out of town. Every two days the calls would go on and on, needing money. Then I fucked her in the ass and the calls stopped.I have accepted her ass when she offered it. That didn't slow her down and as I learned it was her investment in getting commitment.
I chat with DIA girls and at first they are so anxious to meet and then after a few days of chatting and she thinks I am hooked they begin to get demanding for commitment, etc. That is a turn off and not what I want. They do seem to follow pattern of woman world wide. Always wanting more when they think they have man in their pocket. Trading sex for submission. Anyone have a strategy to slow them down and stick to what I want?It's not so much any financial demand, in fact she is modest in expectation.
Mainly the demands for monogamy, attention, couples time and longer term plan. None of which are compatible with Monger Ver 2. (actually these values were also not compatible with MarriedGuy V1).
Happy days.
Have been seeing a regular girl reasonably seriously for most of this year. She's 22 which also makes her fun and also make her immature. Starting to suggest too many rules and lifestyle changes for my middle aged, second time around liking. I though it was a big deal until a day later she's back on the dating sites. Guess I'm not that hard to forget.
Why can't Filipino just be content with their lot in life? Life's good with her but she wants more of me than I can give.
She will make the next guy very happy. I've trained her well.
Next!
Cheers.
I chat with DIA girls and at first they are so anxious to meet and then after a few days of chatting and she thinks I am hooked they begin to get demanding for commitment, etc. That is a turn off and not what I want. They do seem to follow pattern of woman world wide. Always wanting more when they think they have man in their pocket. Trading sex for submission. Anyone have a strategy to slow them down and stick to what I want?What are you telling the girl (s) you want out of a relarionship? If you tell that you live in town or are a very frequent visitor and see her often and repeatedly for a year, yes she will think it's an ongoing relationship and use emotional ties to ratchet up demands.
I'm always honest with the girls about what I want. There is no need to be rude or insulting to them but it never hurts to politely remind them of what you are looking for when they start to think that the relationship is changing.
PL I've had great luck with temporarily breaking up with girls. She will quite often return a couple of times to show me what I am missing out on and if she has been complaining about how poorly I have been treating her, then it gives her a reminder of how poorly the general punter can treat girls and how hard the daily grind can be. Perhaps I wasn't such an arsehole after all. 😁.
If you do get back together after a coupe of months, expect it to be much more on your terms
Chocha Monger
07-20-18, 01:18
Had the same problem at home with a girl who kept on calling needing money, calling even though I told her I was out of town. Every two days the calls would go on and on, needing money. Then I fucked her in the ass and the calls stopped.Damn! That you must have really reamed that ass out to permanently put an end to her endless pleas for financial aid. It looks like you figured out a way to plug the money pit! Maybe, after you drilled all her mud out and stretched her O-ring, she needed a blowout preventer and decided it was a mistake to list you as her financier of choice. Is she Thai?
I chat with DIA girls and at first they are so anxious to meet and then after a few days of chatting and she thinks I am hooked they begin to get demanding for commitment, etc. That is a turn off and not what I want. They do seem to follow pattern of woman world wide. Always wanting more when they think they have man in their pocket. Trading sex for submission. Anyone have a strategy to slow them down and stick to what I want?Best Strategy is no strategy. Go with the flow. There are plenty of them. If you are going after beauty remember there are probably hundreds you need to compete with. In general Philippines girls are not much interested in trying out every foreigner who they correspond with. They are looking for one or two steady patrons who visit often and make her happy sexually and support her financially. Single parent girls are not picky. They need money badly.
At the moment I am corresponding via Skype with a pretty 20 year old for my upcoming trip. Everything is promised. Will it happen? Hard to say. Once again I may have competition by the time I reach there. Meanwhile I am chatting with few other girls as well who have promised. Keeping my options open. Generally I have had good success in keeping the willing good sex girls for s few days. I do not like to have one in the morning, one for afternoon and one for night. Those were in my younger days. I am content in keeping one girl for few days if she is good. If not I get rid of her after one day and try others and so on. I may end up not finding the keeper girl. For me good sex, good company for a few days will suffice. I do compensate very well at the end.
Do they want long term relationship? Yes some do some don't. Those who don't know very well long distance relationship does not work. Even those who do say they will wait for me, end up finding somebody. Clear case is one Leyte beautifull 18 year girl who never had any sex. She said she will wait for me and did for two years. One fine day she told me she got married to a foreigner and leaving to another country.
So my advice do not take them seriously when they propose life long love. They know very well you have options and will take. That is talk I get from all girls saying I may have many girlfriends all over the world.
Your goal should meet, have fun and go home with no promises made. Do not be lulled and fall into honey trap.
PL I've had great luck with temporarily breaking up with girls. She will quite often return a couple of times to show me what I am missing out on and if she has been complaining about how poorly I have been treating her, then it gives her a reminder of how poorly the general punter can treat girls and how hard the daily grind can be. Perhaps I wasn't such an arsehole after all.Yes, I too am a fan of the breakup. One girl with whom I broke up would never CIM. When she came back, the CIM was part of her winback strategy.
Have to agree that the general filipina does have a good winback strategy.
Chocha Monger
07-21-18, 15:22
Yes, I too am a fan of the breakup. One girl with whom I broke up would never CIM. When she came back, the CIM was part of her winback strategy.
Have to agree that the general filipina does have a good winback strategy.CIM is tame stuff for a comeback strategy, as it is standard practice unless the donor has an STD and drops some very foul loads. When she takes BBCIA that is a more impressive comeback strategy.
ClamSlammer
07-21-18, 23:38
Maybe she had a high-level degree. She was at the same school for a long time, which boosts pay a bit, but still, that's a lot of cash. Teachers are seriously (under) paid! Maybe she was fucking somebody else for that salary!Yes she was long tenured at the school which definitely boosts pay. But $133 k is ridiculous for a high school P. E. Teacher, especially in Fresno. I'd bet the highest paid P. E. Teacher at the most prestigious private preparatory academy in Palm Beach makes less than $80 k. I highly doubt any high school P. E. Teacher has an advanced degree. I mean, that's the whole reason you teach high school P. E. Is because you don't have the academic background to be teaching something / somewhere else.
Let's face it, all you need to know about teaching high school P. E. If you don't already know you can learn in one 2 hour course. The kids change into their gym clothes and arrive at the gymnasium. You tell them to do some stretches and jumping jacks and then let them go on and play basketball or whatever sport by themselves. 15 minutes before the bell rings you tell them to stop and go change into their normal clothes. That's it. The job requires zero intelligence or skills or special training. That being said I'd say the average first year P. E. Teacher in Fresno would be offered around $35 k. This lady is making 4 x times. Something is seriously out-of-whack.
Wicked Roger
07-22-18, 01:58
CIM is tame stuff for a comeback strategy, as it is standard practice unless the donor has an STD and drops some very foul loads. When she takes BBCIA that is a more impressive comeback strategy.And as alternate ATM Chocha. Add that into the mix, plus some normal stuff like bondage and BDSM? LOL.
Yes she was long tenured at the school which definitely boosts pay. But $133 k is ridiculous for a high school P. E. Teacher, especially in Fresno. I'd bet the highest paid P. E. Teacher at the most prestigious private preparatory academy in Palm Beach makes less than $80 k. I highly doubt any high school P. E. Teacher has an advanced degree. I mean, that's the whole reason you teach high school P. E. Is because you don't have the academic background to be teaching something / somewhere else.
Let's face it, all you need to know about teaching high school P. E. If you don't already know you can learn in one 2 hour course. The kids change into their gym clothes and arrive at the gymnasium. You tell them to do some stretches and jumping jacks and then let them go on and play basketball or whatever sport by themselves. 15 minutes before the bell rings you tell them to stop and go change into their normal clothes. That's it. The job requires zero intelligence or skills or special training. That being said I'd say the average first year P. E. Teacher in Fresno would be offered around $35 k. This lady is making 4 x times. Something is seriously out-of-whack.If it is that easy then put in an application. I am sure there is an opening at the moment.
Chocha Monger
07-22-18, 19:25
And as alternate ATM Chocha. Add that into the mix, plus some normal stuff like bondage and BDSM? LOL.She gets extra comeback points if she brings along another hot girl for the ATM, and accepts BBBJCIM from her friend's ass to her mouth while her friend is in a kinbaku reverse shrimp tie and she is in a standard shrimp tie. LOL!
And as alternate ATM Chocha. Add that into the mix, plus some normal stuff like bondage and BDSM? LOL.
She gets extra comeback points if she brings along another hot girl for the ATM, and accepts BBBJCIM from her friend's ass to her mouth while her friend is in a kinbaku reverse shrimp tie and she is in a standard shrimp tie. LOL!While you two are busy seeing who is the Scrabble Master with the acronyms, I'll continue with my vanilla sex with fun girls. . . LOL.
Give me a hot chica with a fun attitude over one who can fire flaming ping pong balls while upside down on a pogo stick anytime.
My breakups have been because of a growing attitude and sense of entitlement rather than a tick list of activities.
Enjoy guys.
My breakups have been because of a growing attitude and sense of entitlement rather than a tick list of activities..This is certainly is certainly so true. What it is about Filipino that have given them such a fantastic attitude to great sex?
Sometimes I think my opinion is weighted by the age gap. 30 yeas difference means that they have such a different attitude to sex and for them it is not great deal.
When I've tried Tinder back in my home country. I am facing the reality of same age dating and even rejection.
So far, any Filipino rejections I have had are quickly forgotten as I am embraced into the warm A-Cup bosom of another Filipino.
Wicked Roger
07-23-18, 02:19
While you two are busy seeing who is the Scrabble Master with the acronyms, I'll continue with my vanilla sex with fun girls. . . LOL.
Give me a hot chica with a fun attitude over one who can fire flaming ping pong balls while upside down on a pogo stick anytime.
My breakups have been because of a growing attitude and sense of entitlement rather than a tick list of activities.
Enjoy guys.LOL yes I agree the break has always been about attitude, the sense they should get / deserve more and 'tam[o' - too much of that and I just switch off and walk away (with a comment as I am fair) that this is what is causing me to depart and I hope you learn for the next guy.
But all the other things are fun for me as well Goferring LOL.
Soapy Smith
07-23-18, 18:11
Let's face it, all you need to know about teaching high school P. E. If you don't already know you can learn in one 2 hour course. The kids change into their gym clothes and arrive at the gymnasium. You tell them to do some stretches and jumping jacks and then let them go on and play basketball or whatever sport by themselves. 15 minutes before the bell rings you tell them to stop and go change into their normal clothes. That's it. The job requires zero intelligence or skills or special training. That being said I'd say the average first year P. E. Teacher in Fresno would be offered around $35 k. This lady is making 4 x times. Something is seriously out-of-whack.I second Dg's suggestion: go for it. Pay level is often enhanced by:
Years of service increments; advanced degrees (masters degrees, specialist degrees, and some school teachers even get doctorates); summer teaching; national credentialing can lead to pay increases also. PE teachers, in addition to teaching things like health, sex education, and the "jumping jacks" stuff, get bonuses for coaching teams after school.
And then there's the requirement to get continuing education credits for maintaining certification. This can be done with additional college courses or, in some districts, continuing education courses offered by the district.
This leads to specifics for California: https://www.ctc.ca.gov/docs/default-source/leaflets/cl560c.pdf?sfvrsn=8db75dfc_6.
Easy peasy. And you get summers off to monger in the Philippines. Just do it.
Chocha Monger
07-24-18, 04:14
My breakups have been because of a growing attitude and sense of entitlement rather than a tick list of activities.And.
LOL yes I agree the break has always been about attitude, the sense they should get / deserve more and 'tampo' too much of that and I just switch off and walk away (with a comment as I am fair) that this is what is causing me to depart and I hope you learn for the next guy.Well, you can hardly blame the little darlings. They are under immense pressure from family, friends, neighbors, ambitious trike driver boyfriends, and random old hags. All of them are giving your little darling the same advice, "Make your rich fat poriner buy you house and lot, land with many animals and copra, and give you businesses to manage. You have poriner, so you should have maid, washing machine, car, big screen smart TV, air-con, and ATM card for his bank account. " The little darlings believe it all, and punish you with sulking and attitude when you disappoint them. They are great for short time, not so much for long time.
WestCoast1
07-24-18, 06:48
Let's face it, all you need to know about teaching high school P. E. If you don't already know you can learn in one 2 hour course. Which 2-hour course? I'm guessing the State will require a 'bit more' than that. Where DID you come up with this (sounds like something from decades ago; Ferris Bueller is long gone)? From your current knowledge of what California PE teachers 'do', maybe you can share with us how the State's Common Core curriculum has changed how PE (and other subjects) is currently taught? A high school Arts / Crafts teacher (a friend) told me a decade ago that the State required reading / writing across all subjects; Common Core will only have increased that. Standards and requirements change from time to time.
You tell them to do some stretches and jumping jacks and then let them go on and play basketball or whatever sport by themselves. 15 minutes before the bell rings you tell them to stop and go change into their normal clothes. That's it. The job requires zero intelligence or skills or special training. Students left unattended. In the days of student cell phone video-recording what happens at school (and putting it on social media), doesn't that leave your 'unintelligent / overpaid' PE teacher open to discipline, dismissal or lawsuit?
That being said I'd say the average first year P. E. Teacher in Fresno would be offered around $35 k. This lady is making 4 x times. Something is seriously out-of-whack. You are guessing. Districts vary widely in pay scale. The District mentioned has a starting pay (for teachers) of $54,649 and a top pay of $100,679 (17 years of service; see link below) for the 2017-18 school year (these numbers are base pay, not inclusive of benefits, Master's degree in subject, etc). A nearby District has starting pay of $47,398 and a top pay of $86,158 (21 years of service). Districts in California's Silicon Valley (where the standard of living is twice that of the mentioned District) will be nearly doubling those last numbers (enjoy some Google time). Districts in mid-west states might see pay schedules about 35% less than those numbers (enjoy some more Google time).
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3cVlGj3cwRqdFB0ZUxmeUZ1TW8/view
A quick look at annual weather in the area you mentioned (Fresno) shows months of the teacher teaching outside in cold / wet / foggy winter conditions (teaching soccer on a field blanketed in fog to a bunch of 15 year-olds; nothing to it). And months of being outside teaching in 100+ degree summer conditions (teaching swimming to 45 teenagers in a pool; nothing to it). California has the highest class sizes in the US, so our happy PE teacher is dealing with 40-50 hormonal 16 year olds all day. All for $35 k you mentioned, which is just 40% more than minimum wage. No wonder there is a large educator shortage across the American southwest.
Blanquiceleste
07-24-18, 15:45
Well, you can hardly blame the little darlings. They are under immense pressure from family, friends, neighbors, ambitious trike driver boyfriends, and random old hags. All of them are giving your little darling the same advice, "Make your rich fat poriner buy you house and lot, land with many animals and copra, and give you businesses to manage. You have poriner, so you should have maid, washing machine, car, big screen smart TV, air-con, and ATM card for his bank account. " The little darlings believe it all, and punish you with sulking and attitude when you disappoint them. They are great for short time, not so much for long time.So true. This pic says it all. Its on the FB page of a girl who with who I am friends.
Soapy Smith
07-24-18, 17:03
So true. This pic says it all. Its on the FB page of a girl who with who I am friends.My God, could this be CM? No wonder he feels the way he does toward Filipinas. Ironically, he's whiter and fatter than I am. Any guy so unaware of the effects of sunburn deserves this kind of exploitation, assuming that's actually what's going on here.
Soapy Smith
07-24-18, 17:16
Pay level is often enhanced by:
Years of service increments; advanced degrees (masters degrees, specialist degrees, and some school teachers even get doctorates); summer teaching; national credentialing can lead to pay increases also. PE teachers, in addition to teaching things like health, sex education, and the "jumping jacks" stuff, get bonuses for coaching teams after school.I should have included extra pay for senior faculty who have additional administrative responsibilities as department chairs or team leaders.
An extension to WC's points. In a past life I was a public school teacher in Alaska. Many schools in the few cities have ice rinks on the grounds. Imagine taking kids out during the day for ice skating or introduction to hockey or broom ball. The Canadians probably do this stuff too. Or taking kids out in the Spring or Fall for softball, lacrosse, or soccer when weather is like the persistent Seattle drizzle. A great time is had by all. But at least they get summers off.
BrainDrain
07-27-18, 22:59
Just been viewing my home movies of my lovely Filipinos giving me numerous BBBJs. I'm always thinking they spend a long time on the BJ but the length of the movies indicates maybe 5-6 minutes as maximum before I'm too horny.
Does anyone have a definitive time for a "good" BBBJ?
Just been viewing my home movies of my lovely Filipinos giving me numerous BBBJs. I'm always thinking they spend a long time on the BJ but the length of the movies indicates maybe 5-6 minutes as maximum before I'm too horny.
Does anyone have a definitive time for a "good" BBBJ?Generally I want to slip it in the hot wet V after 4-5 minutes. Most BJ are generic and it gets me up, at that point I want to put it in, especially if she is hot looking.
This morning's girl knew how lick and nibble on the shaft along with my balls in addition to slow slurpy DT. I let that teasing go on for 8-10 minutes. It would have been a dilemma if she was a new hot looking girl for me to let it go on past 5 minutes as I would really. Want to be inside her!
BrainDrain
07-29-18, 23:00
Generally I want to slip it in the hot wet V after 4-5 minutes. Most BJ are generic and it gets me up, at that point I want to put it in, especially if she is hot looking.That's my feeling as well. Get's too exciting and want to be plunging inside.
Some girls like to do it while I am doing something; watching TV, working on the computer, driving or texting. It is sometimes just enjoyable and I don't need to come. Though some of the girls will eventually want my full attention because they want it inside. The devices get taken away.
However, it can be distracting. If driving, I usually pull over and dump a load so I can concentrate on driving. I am still waiting to get arrested because truckers and SUVs get a pretty good view of the front seat.
Generally I want to slip it in the hot wet V after 4-5 minutes. Most BJ are generic and it gets me up, at that point I want to put it in, especially if she is hot looking.
This morning's girl knew how lick and nibble on the shaft along with my balls in addition to slow slurpy DT. I let that teasing go on for 8-10 minutes. It would have been a dilemma if she was a new hot looking girl for me to let it go on past 5 minutes as I would really. Want to be inside her!
That's my feeling as well. Get's too exciting and want to be plunging inside.I'm pretty much the opposite. As oral stimulation is my fetish I usually try to extend BBBJ, DATY, DFK and rimming for as long as possible.
TheApprentice7
07-30-18, 16:32
I have only been with one non-pro, a 20 year old social media butterfly. She does not really know how to do Cowgirl or reverse cowgirl because that position is too embarrassing for her. However when it comes to the BBBJ, she is in my top 5 of all time, and that includes escorts. This girl knows her BBBJ is incredible and gives a solid 10 minutes of effort, with lots of tongue and DT, etc. Seems the optimal time for me.
I have not dated any other non pros but the bar girls and FL I picked up all give shorter, less impressive BBBJs. Maybe 5 minutes max, and that has been rare.
I hear a lot about how pinoy girls love to give head, love DATY, etc but are these mostly non pros you guys are talking about? Because my experience with the pros and semi pros has been far from anything a non pro has been able to offer.
I have only been with one non-pro, a 20 year old social media butterfly. She does not really know how to do Cowgirl or reverse cowgirl because that position is too embarrassing for her. However when it comes to the BBBJ, she is in my top 5 of all time, and that includes escorts. This girl knows her BBBJ is incredible and gives a solid 10 minutes of effort, with lots of tongue and DT, etc. Seems the optimal time for me.
I've found that BBBJ girls, both professional and not, fall into two categories: those that give enough head just to stop their BF / John from complaining and those that provide steĺlar performances as they truly enjoy giving it and get off on it themselves.
I'm struggling to remember a girl that fell into a middle ground.
BrainDrain
07-30-18, 22:15
those that give enough head just to stop their BF / John from complaining.That's an interesting observation. No need for the girl to over deliver and spoil us.
Overall thanks for every one's responses. I was thinking I wasn't getting enough.
I have previously written about one nice AC massage girl that really has an excellent technique. I'll be seeing her again next week.
Is there a way to securely share some of these videos I have?
BD.
Is there a way to securely share some of these videos I have?I use cloud services, mainly Onedrive, for that purpose. You could also try Videosprout, but their free plan might not have sufficient storage capacity for your use. Both allow you to create a secret URL that can be shared via email or posted on fora.
If she knows what she is doing with sufficient attention to my goat sized gonads at least fifteen minutes until explosion if she swallows or continues lapping it up. If not, five minutes as a prelude to the Kiki. I take lots of personal pornos too, BD. Actually have gotten quite good at POVs. Hundreds of them. If she's got big knockers it's great to slide between them as she gobbles the head. Cheers.
Just been viewing my home movies of my lovely Filipinos giving me numerous BBBJs. I'm always thinking they spend a long time on the BJ but the length of the movies indicates maybe 5-6 minutes as maximum before I'm too horny.
Does anyone have a definitive time for a "good" BBBJ?
I think it can be done with the free Google Drive. I have only received and not tried posting to either general public or people who have link.
Is there a way to securely share some of these videos I have?
I use cloud services, mainly Onedrive, for that purpose. You could also try Videosprout, but their free plan might not have sufficient storage capacity for your use. Both allow you to create a secret URL that can be shared via email or posted on fora.
TheApprentice7
08-01-18, 16:19
Mongers,
During my 2 week trip to Manila / Makati, I pretty much shagged all pros or semi pros. However I lucked out in picking up a non-pro in the mall one time, and got together for 2. 5 of the days while I was there. She has her own $$ and would only accept minimal cash for cab fare, otherwise nothing else. She does let me pay for food tho. She just turned 20 and I for the life of me can't figure out why she continues to be interested in me (although I still look young, I am 40, even older than her step dad). Perhaps it's her fetish for Korean men and I am half Korean, and I can speak it as well.
We continue to exchange messages on we chat and kakao. The did tell her a lie that I am separated (in reality I am still married) but otherwise made it clear that because of my two young kids back in the states, I can't commit to any relationships, but would love to see her if I am back in Manila. She says anytime I am in Manila she wants to see me. She tells me this will always be the case until I decide I no longer want her company.
Hearing this I feel bad, and tell her pretty much the same thing. She will someday get a great boyfriend who wants to commit, and until that happens I will always be available to see her. I said when she commits, we can remain friends if she wants.
I think I am developing some emotional attachment here and seek the advice of veteran mongers. I have no plans to leave the wife for this girl but at the same time, feel disinterested in Manila pros and semi pros, compared to this girl. Perhaps some of you mongers juggle a few non pros at a time, and I have no idea how you deal with the emotional aspects of it. I see no harm letting this carry on for now, but as I am inexperienced with non pros, I can't see what the long term effects of this continued relationship will be like. Would appreciate your thoughts.
Chocha Monger
08-01-18, 19:41
Some girls like to do it while I am doing something; watching TV, working on the computer, driving or texting. It is sometimes just enjoyable and I don't need to come. Though some of the girls will eventually want my full attention because they want it inside. The devices get taken away.
However, it can be distracting. If driving, I usually pull over and dump a load so I can concentrate on driving. I am still waiting to get arrested because truckers and SUVs get a pretty good view of the front seat.I once saw an accident scene where a distracted driver was having his cock sucked while doing 70 mph on the highway. Upon collision with another vehicle, his girlfriend's mouth slammed shut, her teeth severed his cock, and it lodged in her throat obstructing her airway. He bled out before the first responders could cut through the wreckage and stop the bleeding.
I've found that BBBJ girls, both professional and not, fall into two categories: those that give enough head just to stop their BF / John from complaining and those that provide steĺlar performances as they truly enjoy giving it and get off on it themselves.I have had a western woman girlfriend who absolutely loves to give head and is spectacular at it. She has actually orgasmed while sucking me. She liked it so much that often while fucking her, and between positions, will ask me " is it OK if I suck you some more now". I say "of course dear". She is a non pro and says an ex boyfriend taught her how to do it and Wow is she great at it. Bless that guy.
BrainDrain
08-02-18, 01:07
I think I am developing some emotional attachment here and seek the advice of veteran mongers. I have no plans to leave the wife for this girl but at the same time, feel disinterested in Manila pros and semi pros, compared to this girl. Perhaps some of you mongers juggle a few non pros at a time, and I have no idea how you deal with the emotional aspects of it. I see no harm letting this carry on for now, but as I am inexperienced with non pros, I can't see what the long term effects of this continued relationship will be like. Would appreciate your thoughts.These girls are so addictive which is why we keep coming back to Philippines. I can think of at least 5 non-pro Filipinos that I have met and still friends with, that have told me a similar quote and I tell them similar as well. The reality is the a 20 year old Filipino is fun to be around in short doses and for me offers very little for a long term relationship. Do these girls understand or comprehend the complexities of western life, of government agencies that actually work, Can we take them to dinner parties and have them inspire my colleagues ad older friends? What do they offer that is fulfilling?
There are sweet intelligent girls that have very little choice. They are taught by aunties and other family members to keep foreigner BF on the hook. They are good at it BUT the risk is all yours. In staying with you she has everything to gain while you are risking everything.
For me it's Disneyland where I come and play but the fun stays in the park.
BD.
I once saw an accident scene where a distracted driver was having his cock sucked while doing 70 mph on the highway. Upon collision with another vehicle, his girlfriend's mouth slammed shut, her teeth severed his cock, and it lodged in her throat obstructing her airway. He bled out before the first responders could cut through the wreckage and stop the bleeding.Really? It is common in my younger days in USA to have girls give a BBBJ while you are driving with one hand and fingering her pussy with the other. Thankfully no accident happened except truckers who can see what's happening honking and occasional maintenance workers looking in when you slow down. Those were the fond memories.
I had a semi-pro gal who I would visit at her apartment during our lunchtimes for mutual showers, an unimpressive back massage and then a passionate 69 with her finishing me with an easily ten or fifteen min BBBJ all taken in her mouth. Off she'the go to spit and brush, never swallowing but always carrying me away without spilling a drop. 40 ish with a yoga toned body, very very addictive. She moved back to her village and I left Manila. Semi pro because she never demanded but always appreciated a $20 bill here and there to help her out.
I have only been with one non-pro, a 20 year old social media butterfly. She does not really know how to do Cowgirl or reverse cowgirl because that position is too embarrassing for her. However when it comes to the BBBJ, she is in my top 5 of all time, and that includes escorts. This girl knows her BBBJ is incredible and gives a solid 10 minutes of effort, with lots of tongue and DT, etc. Seems the optimal time for me.
I have not dated any other non pros but the bar girls and FL I picked up all give shorter, less impressive BBBJs. Maybe 5 minutes max, and that has been rare.
I hear a lot about how pinoy girls love to give head, love DATY, etc but are these mostly non pros you guys are talking about? Because my experience with the pros and semi pros has been far from anything a non pro has been able to offer.
Mr Enternational
08-02-18, 05:57
Semi pro because she never demanded but always appreciated a $20 bill here and there to help her out.I still say this semiprostitute stuff makes no sense. Even I would appreciate someone handing me a $20 bill to help me out. The true measuring stick is: Would she not see you again had you stopped giving her $20 bills? Then she is a hooker. If she would see you regardless of you giving her money or not, then she is not a hooker.
FWIW, maybe it is because I have more than I can handle, but I always make it clear to the girl it is a pay for play situation with no strings. Especially with young girls with no other attachments. I actually encourage them to seek other more permanent and better situations. Some actually cry and get very upset. But they get over it and come back and follow my advice, even though it could be detrimental to me. I plan visits so it matches my schedule and also do not interfere with their social life or hunting. Like weekend nights. I also advice them if they have suitors and help weed out the mongers. (What was that, takes a thief to catch a thief?) They have limited time find someone. My 2 cents.
I can't commit to any relationships, but would love to see her if I am back in Manila. She says anytime I am in Manila she wants to see me. She tells me this will always be the case until I decide I no longer want her company.
Hearing this I feel bad, and tell her pretty much the same thing. She will someday get a great boyfriend who wants to commit, and until that happens I will always be available to see her. I said when she commits, we can remain friends if she wants.
I think I am developing some emotional attachment here and seek the advice of veteran mongers. I have no plans to leave the wife for this girl but at the same time, feel disinterested in Manila pros and semi pros, compared to this girl. Perhaps some of you mongers juggle a few non pros at a time, and I have no idea how you deal with the emotional aspects of it. I see no harm letting this carry on for now, but as I am inexperienced with non pros, I can't see what the long term effects of this continued relationship will be like. Would appreciate your thoughts..
My little head cannot drive yet. That is why he pulls over.
I once saw an accident scene where a distracted driver was having his cock sucked while doing 70 mph on the highway. Upon collision with another vehicle, his girlfriend's mouth slammed shut, her teeth severed his cock, and it lodged in her throat obstructing her airway. He bled out before the first responders could cut through the wreckage and stop the bleeding.
I still say this semiprostitute stuff makes no sense.Let's keep it simple. I think the definition of a semi-pro is that prostitution is not her only source of income. So yes she's a hooker, but only part-time.
We continue to exchange messages on we chat and kakao. The did tell her a lie that I am separated (in reality I am still married) but otherwise made it clear that because of my two young kids back in the states, I can't commit to any relationships, but would love to see her if I am back in Manila. She says anytime I am in Manila she wants to see me. She tells me this will always be the case until I decide I no longer want her company.
Hearing this I feel bad, and tell her pretty much the same thing. She will someday get a great boyfriend who wants to commit, and until that happens I will always be available to see her. I said when she commits, we can remain friends if she wants.Some of these SEA girls are very good at playing the long game. She might be attracted to you but big part of this attraction comes from the prospect of having a wealthy (at least by PI standards) boyfriend. Most likely she can see through your lies about your marital status but she doesn't care.
There's nothing wrong in participating in this game. Just keep your emotions in check. If you are returning within couple of months you might benefit from cultivating this relationship. You might also find it a burden if you want to explore other options. Beyond few months (or even weeks), she will move on and find the next long term prospect. BD is right when warning against starting a long term relationship. I am married to a SEA lady some 15 years younger than me. While it makes life interesting and fun at times, mostly it is an uphill struggle to have any kind of normal social life in a western country.
If you are married and want to keep mongering, you have to move beyond feeling guilty for your actions, both in regard to you spouse but especially in regard to the providers, pro or non-pro.
Excellent observations. My sentiments exactly. I'm still planning to move to this Disneyland when I retire. Should I develop a long-term relationship or even marry I will keep her there but hopefully far away from any relatives. Even if she is well educated, a doctor or nurse. Westerners in USA are not ready for the age gap difference.
These girls are so addictive which is why we keep coming back to Philippines. I can think of at least 5 non-pro Filipinos that I have met and still friends with, that have told me a similar quote and I tell them similar as well. The reality is the a 20 year old Filipino is fun to be around in short doses and for me offers very little for a long term relationship. Do these girls understand or comprehend the complexities of western life, of government agencies that actually work, Can we take them to dinner parties and have them inspire my colleagues ad older friends? What do they offer that is fulfilling?
There are sweet intelligent girls that have very little choice. They are taught by aunties and other family members to keep foreigner BF on the hook. They are good at it BUT the risk is all yours. In staying with you she has everything to gain while you are risking everything.
For me it's Disneyland where I come and play but the fun stays in the park.
BD.
Mr Enternational
08-02-18, 15:11
Some of these SEA girls are very good at playing the long game. She might be attracted to you but big part of this attraction comes from the prospect of having a wealthy (at least by PI standards) boyfriend. Most likely she can see through your lies about your marital status but she doesn't care.What is this long game stuff? What does it matter if she likes having a wealthy boyfriend? I like having a pretty girlfriend. A key thing that is always overlooked in these relationships is: Just because he has money does not mean he has to give her any. And you tend know whether someone is with you for money or not; because you are always giving it to them or buying them shit! Somebody that is never asking for shit more than likely is not with you for money.
There are chicks in PI that I have been in a relationship with for years or been fucking for years. We have even stopped seeing each other and later gotten back together. Sure we have gone places and done stuff together, but I have not paid for any roofs, school books for kids, tuition, trike money, none of those bullshit code words guys use to say they are paying women without really admitting that they are paying women.
If they are with me for money then let me tell you, they have some mf patience, because I have never given them any and they have never asked for any. And some of these chicks travel from out of town to see me. The problem is guys leading with money, then you can not tell why a woman is with you. I give money to hookers; I do not give money to normal women. And TA7 met a normal chick and tried to give her damn near $100. The girl was probably insulted. Why do some guys even try to turn normal chicks into hookers then complain later when chicks are after their money? You made your own bed. Newsflash: Normal chicks like to fuck and hang out and have a good time too! It is not always about money.
Most women don't care if you have someone else. They just want the truth. I was with a chick (several actually) in the Dominican Republic last week. But we did the usual fuck first and get to know each other after. A day or so after, one of the questions she asked was if I was married. I said would it matter if I was? She said no, not really. I said well I am not married and I live alone. Then I showed her the security cameras at my house on my phone. Another chick that I was with in the same country last week is a high ranking police officer. Two days ago she said I saw you talking to those women on your phone when we were in bed. I said that is not important. Just love me for me. Love me for who I am. She said okay, but you are mine. Leave it at that. She now knows how I am and she has no problem with it.
If you are married and want to keep mongering, you have to move beyond feeling guilty for your actions, both in regard to you spouse but especially in regard to the providers, pro or non-pro.Like anything else in this world, all that takes is practice. How do you think the hookers in these bars felt the first time they had to go with a foreigner? Uncomfortable, guilty, and all kinds of other shit. Then over time they got used to it from practicing everyday.
I was in the Navy and spent the night at this Mexican chick's house. She had told me her brother was in the Navy. While she was sleep I went through her purse and saw she had a dependant ID card. So the guy she claimed to be her brother was actually her husband. I called my dad feeling guilty and told him that I didn't know the chick was married. He said you are in the real world now son. Now after all these years with so much practice of fucking married chicks...
What is this long game stuff? What does it matter if she likes having a wealthy boyfriend?The long game some girls play is simple: they have a boyfriend, they find another, maybe one or two more, dump the ones that aren't good looking / sexy / rich / kind enough or don't visit often enough and they keep on upgrading until reaching a satisfactory level. This happens in all societies and of course males do it, too.
I write from personal experience. Years ago I was seeing a Thai uni teacher in her late thirties that I had met through Thai Cupid. My work allowed me to visit Bangkok every couple of months. I mostly paid for dinners, entertainment and short trips out of town but she pulled her weight every once and a while. My gifts to her consisted of an occasional box of chocolates or jar of jam bought from a airport tax free shop. I never offered or gave her money, not even for taxi. She was the epitome of a good Thai girl, pleasant company and fun in the sack. I liked this lady so much that when she asked me to delete my Thai Cupid account I promised I would do it. She said that this was her way of asking for exclusivity. When I checked into TC I noticed that she had been active quite recently. I deleted my account but created another one to know how active she was there. After establishing that she logged in several times a day, I created five fake accounts to bait her. Out of five, she responded to three and and with two of those profiles she started corresponding with through email. Those two fake profiles had two things in common: they had financial independence and there were in process of locating to Bangkok.
I kept seeing her and nothing in her behavior with me suggested that she was playing me in any way. Finally I arranged a schedule conflict. One of the fake profiles was to arrive to Suvarnabuhmi and she promised to come and greet him at the airport. Few hours before she had to leave for the airport I asked her to go out and eat at her favorite riverside restaurant. She said she had to take her mother to see a doctor.
I kept seeing her for couple of more visits but no longer harbored any illusions of exclusivity. I didn't play this charade to embarrass her, just to know where I stood in relation to her plans.
My point is that everyone can participate in this game or just tag along for a ride. It can be fun. Just realize that some girls have goals that they travel towards and you are just a roadside cafe, maybe one of many, along the route. That is absolutely fine by me. I just don't get so much emotionally invested in anymore.
Normal chicks like to fuck and hang out and have a good time too! It is not always about money.That is true. And every once in a while when we are lucky we get to enjoy that unbridled joy of two human beings joining their paths for an exquisite no-strings-attached romp.
I keep hearing that good punters don't need luck, though. Maybe I'll get there one day.
Mr Enternational
08-02-18, 21:01
I kept seeing her and nothing in her behavior with me suggested that she was playing me in any way. Finally I arranged a schedule conflict. One of the fake profiles was to arrive to Suvarnabuhmi and she promised to come and greet him at the airport. Few hours before she had to leave for the airport I asked her to go out and eat at her favorite riverside restaurant. She said she had to take her mother to see a doctor.LOL. That is a great story. A guy like me though really wouldn't give a damn. I get emotionally wrapped up in all of them. That is not to say that I am going to cry over them or try to investigate their every move. I have always understood that women come and women go. I enjoy them during the time that I am with them and it seems that they enjoy me as well since there is nothing else they could be getting out of being with me.
Even a few chicks that I deal with have gotten pregnant and had babies by other guys lately (Thailand, PI, Dominican Republic). They admit that they fucked up, but I say we as people fuck up better than we do anything else. So I didn't stop messing with them because of that. I just kept right on fucking them while they were pregnant, and now while their babies are on the right titty, I am on the left. We are still friends but they are the ones that suffer because now they have less flexibility and of course all of the daddies disappeared when they found out the chicks were pregnant so they have to figure out how to take care of the kids on their own. The one in Pattaya said she will go back home at the end of September and return when the kid is seven or so; mainly because her bosses have sold the hotel that she manages and lives at, so her job and place to stay are gone.
When I was married, I got off at 11 pm and went over to a coworker's house one night and stayed until about 2:30 am. I wasn't drinking or anything. We were just shooting the shit. I got home and took a shower and got into the bed. My wife got up and put her clothes on and left the house. After 45 minutes or so she came back angry because I did not ask where she was going at such an hour. I told her that she was a grown woman. If she wanted me to know where she was going then she would have told me. Then I went back to sleep.
I have always understood that women come and women go. I enjoy them during the time that I am with them and it seems that they enjoy me as well since there is nothing else they could be getting out of being with me.Step by step I'm trying to get there as well. I suspect that in my thirties, early forties my tendency to either overpay or overtip WGs was an effort ot compensate for my own low self esteem rather than pay for services rendered. Lately I have realized that the best sessions have in big part been the ones where no money changed hands or compensation was not discussed beforehand.
BrainDrain
08-03-18, 01:13
I kept seeing her and nothing in her behavior with me suggested that she was playing me in any way. Finally I arranged a schedule conflict. One of the fake profiles was to arrive to Suvarnabuhmi and she promised to come and greet him at the airport. Few hours before she had to leave for the airport I asked her to go out and eat at her favorite riverside restaurant. She said she had to take her mother to see a doctor.
I kept seeing her for couple of more visits but no longer harbored any illusions of exclusivity. I didn't play this charade to embarrass her, just to know where I stood in relation to her plans.Thanks for sharing this experience. You remember last year when we had dinner in AC? I told you that my GF at the time was also about to meet my other persona. She's still playing at the game. It's better to know that to be under an illusion.
As always actions speak more than words.
BD.
If I invite a girl out to dinner and a movie and she spends the night, because we developed a connection, is she a prostitute? I understand the technicalities but that $20 was a gift, to help her out. She always agreed to meet me if our lunchtimes were available, and now that she live upcountry again I seriously doubt that she's giving out those BJs to local guys. Perhaps to her husband.
My little head cannot drive yet. That is why he pulls over.
I still say this semiprostitute stuff makes no sense. Even I would appreciate someone handing me a $20 bill to help me out. The true measuring stick is: Would she not see you again had you stopped giving her $20 bills? Then she is a hooker. If she would see you regardless of you giving her money or not, then she is not a hooker.
If I invite a girl out to dinner and a movie and she spends the night, because we developed a connection, is she a prostitute? I understand the technicalities but that $20 was a gift, to help her out. She always agreed to meet me if our lunchtimes were available, and now that she live upcountry again I seriously doubt that she's giving out those BJs to local guys. Perhaps to her husband.Don't fall for outside opinions and labels. Most of us help people out and are kind hearted people. We don't equate helping to a dollar value.
Chocha Monger
08-03-18, 11:51
Mongers,
During my 2 week trip to Manila / Makati, I pretty much shagged all pros or semi pros. However I lucked out in picking up a non-pro in the mall one time, and got together for 2. 5 of the days while I was there. She has her own $$ and would only accept minimal cash for cab fare, otherwise nothing else. She does let me pay for food tho. She just turned 20 and I for the life of me can't figure out why she continues to be interested in me (although I still look young, I am 40, even older than her step dad). Perhaps it's her fetish for Korean men and I am half Korean, and I can speak it as well.
We continue to exchange messages on we chat and kakao. The did tell her a lie that I am separated (in reality I am still married) but otherwise made it clear that because of my two young kids back in the states, I can't commit to any relationships, but would love to see her if I am back in Manila. She says anytime I am in Manila she wants to see me. She tells me this will always be the case until I decide I no longer want her company.
Hearing this I feel bad, and tell her pretty much the same thing. She will someday get a great boyfriend who wants to commit, and until that happens I will always be available to see her. I said when she commits, we can remain friends if she wants..Apprentice7,
You really made the grade on your mongering excursion in Manila. You are married with kids in the USA, and that means you have a lot to lose if your mongering career were ever to come to the attention of the wife. She will make you pay in the many ways that US divorce courts allow. Exercise great caution in continuing your little fling from the Philippines.
You fell in love with your little 20-year-old juicer during playtime in Manila. However, do not believe all of her sweet promises that she will wait for you with her pussy full of juicy anticipation. Pinays are great at playing the role of eternal romantics with words but the truth is your dick is not and will never be the only one pounding her puss. The non-pros all start out wanting little to no money, until you form a solid emotional bond. Then when the trike accident comes or the carabao falls on her papa in the rice field sending him and it to the hospital for very expensive operations, she will reach out to you for an emergency cash transfer. The emotional bond will make it hard for you to refuse her, and she knows this. Regardless of how you feel about her, realize that it is not real. She will move on from you just as easily as she moved on to your dick from her previous boyfriend, if she really moved on from him at all. Most likely, she just added your half-Korean penis to her collection.
Enjoy the girls in the moment but never become emotionally attached to them. If you do, you will set yourself up for some serious drama and disappointment. You enjoyed shooting your loads in her pussy and mouth. Do not make it more than that, and do not expect to see her again. Another monger or her Pinoy boyfriend may knock her up before you return or she may decide to become an overseas foreign worker. Pinays like to stay in touch with foreign mongers because it usually results in a much bigger payday than accepting the fee for services business model. There is no risk in this for her but as a married monger there is a huge risk that your old battle-axe may catch you during your amorous WeChat and Kakao sexting sessions, and feed your dick to the ducks.
Furthermore, as you observed, she is a 20-year-old Pinay having fun with Korean dicks, which is the in thing for that age group in the Philippines, and you are a 40-something-years-old family man and incorrigible monger. This is not exactly the stuff healthy long-term emotional relationships are built on.
TheApprentice7
08-04-18, 21:39
Mongers,
Many thanks for all your feedback. I don't think I mentioned this before-my non pro is one of those light skinned, Eurasian looking mestiza girl. In another thread a monger warned us about these types of girls and I must agree her beauty and sexy body makes it hard to resist any hidden agendas this girl might have. This girl spends a significant amount of time exchanging messages on her phone with me. She makes sure to message me for awhile first thing after waking up, and we spend a lot of time exchanging messages for hours before she sleeps. She just turned 20 - based on your advice I Have expressed to her that I will keep her company until she moves on. Implying that she can date others. But she seems to be quite invested in me for whatever reason I can't figure out. She says she finds me very handsome, etc. And says I can move on whenever I need to but that she will always be available for me. I simply don't believe these comments, but she is pretty convincing with her texts.
If this is a planned out scheme I must say she is wearing me down, and I am becoming more attached to her. In fact I am planning to visit Manila in a couple months and I have no desire to bang any pros, when she has committed to letting me do whatever I want to her body, except cum in pussy (she not ready for kids). But otherwise she going to let me bareback any position or hole I want, including anal, and is going to CIM with swallow when I am ready to finish, etc. Combine that with the emotional connection as well and my interest in pay 4 play girls drastically drops. Plus meeting this girl only cost me food and cab fare. Much cheaper.
Apprentice7,
You fell in love with your little 20-year-old juicer during playtime in Manila. However, do not believe all of her sweet promises that she will wait for you with her pussy full of juicy anticipation. Pinays are great at playing the role of eternal romantics with words but the truth is your dick is not and will never be the only one pounding her puss. The non-pros all start out wanting little to no money, until you form a solid emotional bond. Then when the trike accident comes or the carabao falls on her papa in the rice field sending him and it to the hospital for very expensive operations, she will reach out to you for an emergency cash transfer. The emotional bond will make it hard for you to refuse her, and she knows this. Regardless of how you feel about her, realize that it is not real. She will move on from you just as easily as she moved on to your dick from her previous boyfriend, if she really moved on from him at all. Most likely, she just added your half-Korean penis to her collection.CM, Your views on these girls seem to be on the extreme end but since I am still a newb I willl keep this possibility in the back of my mind. I do not expect anything exclusive but she makes every effort to show me I am the only one she's thinking about. It would actually make me feel more at ease if she moves on but she clings to me. Maybe there is longer payday play here but she has told me repeatedly she has money and doesn't need any. Very strange. The other possibility, as remote as it may be, is obsession? I don't know if that's possible after 2 days of company and 6 shags. I will be cautious, but am thinking hunting more non pros will be my only other worthwhile agenda.
Furthermore, as you observed, she is a 20-year-old Pinay having fun with Korean dicks, which is the in thing for that age group in the Philippines, and you are a 40-something-years-old family man and incorrigible monger. This is not exactly the stuff healthy long-term emotional relationships are built on.Whoa that is good news to me. Let me brush up on my Korean and try and get me another one or two 20-year olds on my rotation. Where should I go to start hunting these chicks?
Whoa that is good news to me. Let me brush up on my Korean and try and get me another one or two 20-year olds on my rotation. Where should I go to start hunting these chicks?Uhm... CM said Korean dicks, not Korean chicks.
Apprentice7,
You really made the grade on your mongering excursion in Manila. You are married with kids in the USA, and that means you have a lot to lose if your mongering career were ever to come to the attention of the wife. She will make you pay in the many ways that US divorce courts allow. Exercise great caution in continuing your little fling from the Philippines.
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Enjoy the girls in the moment but never become emotionally attached to them. If you do, you will set yourself up for some serious drama and disappointment. You enjoyed shooting your loads in her pussy and mouth. Do not make it more than that, and do not expect to see her again. Another monger or her Pinoy boyfriend may knock her up before you return or she may decide to become an overseas foreign worker. Pinays like to stay in touch with foreign mongers because it usually results in a much bigger payday than accepting the fee for services business model. There is no risk in this for her but as a married monger there is a huge risk that your old battle-axe may catch you during your amorous WeChat and Kakao sexting sessions, and feed your dick to the ducks.Not only has Apprentice let himself open to major complications at home, he has also lied to the girl and now falsely assumes that she does not know that he is married and is scared of the missus finding out about his overseas fling. This gives the girl incredible leverage for blackmail when required or to go full psycho on FB etc should she simply become bitter and twisted and want to cause as much damage as possible.
Apprentice, you need to remove as much of her leveage ASAP and regain some bargaining power in the relationship:
Tell her you have permanently reconciled with your wife and can only see her casually as there is now no chance of an ongoing relationship.
No need to be antagonistic but she needs to know you are willing and capable of seeing other girls. Even if it's only random nights while you are in country, she needs to go home some nights and you need to partake of other opportunities. She will find out and it will give her incentive to keep you happy rather than go nuts on you with threats etc.
Personally, I prefer to keep relationships commercial. A heartbroken pina going psycho more than outweighs the ego trip of having a perceived short term freebee. It's amazing how expensive freebees can be long term if they are not handled properly.
In regards to becoming emotionally attached, it's easy for others to say wake up when commenting from the outside. All I can say is remember that there is always a long game at play. It's important she is not given too much ammunition to make the end payoff too debilitating to you.
But she seems to be quite invested in me for whatever reason I can't figure out. She says she finds me very handsome, etc. And says I can move on whenever I need to but that she will always be available for me. I simply don't believe these comments, but she is pretty convincing with her texts.You can either accept her comments at face value and act accordingly or, if you have even a tiniest speck of doubt, proceed with caution. Either way, don't let us jaded mongers keep you from enjoying what's on offer.
CM, Your views on these girls seem to be on the extreme end but since I am still a newb I willl keep this possibility in the back of my mind. I do not expect anything exclusive but she makes every effort to show me I am the only one she's thinking about. It would actually make me feel more at ease if she moves on but she clings to me. Maybe there is longer payday play here but she has told me repeatedly she has money and doesn't need any. Very strange. The other possibility, as remote as it may be, is obsession? I don't know if that's possible after 2 days of company and 6 shags. I will be cautious, but am thinking hunting more non pros will be my only other worthwhile agenda.As on any forum, extreme opinions are most easily expressed in anonymous discussion and you are wise to filter everything that is written here using your own experience.
As this section of forum is labeled Opinions and advice, here are mine:
In my opinion you you had a wonderful sexual experience outside your normal environment with a girl that is 20 years younger than you and you are "high" from this experience. You feel exhilarated, appreciated and you got a boost of self-confidence. The feeling is strengthened by the fact that it looks like she didn't do it for money. Maybe she truly wants you as her only boyfriend or even marry you. 20-year age difference is not that uncommon in relationships like this. Heck, I met a Swedish guy in Pattaya who was 65 and already had 2-year old kid with a lady who was only 25 years old. They seemed perfectly happy together. You said you would prefer if she wasn't clinging on to you so much but her constant messaging and commitment make you feel obligated to keep in contact with her. You have fallen in a very sweet trap that she has set, maybe not maliciously, but by her instinct. She has sensed that you are a sweet guy and wants to hold on. You might seem to her as exotic and enchanting as she to you. You, on the other hand, might feel that she releases you from the emotional and sexual prison that your everyday life may feel like, maybe not all the time, but at least occasionally.
Why do I call it a trap? If you look at characteristics of any trap, it is first of all designed to lure you inside. Secondly, a trap is designed so that is hard or impossible to escape. Also, traps are made to look like you get a free lunch when in fact, sooner or later, you pay ten-fold. In this case it might even not be the girl who is setting the trap, but you yourself, by feeding off this situation and making yourself vulnerable to an emotional roller coaster or blackmail.
As to the advice, you have several options:
1. Forget the girl, cut communications and stop mongering. When your children come to visit you in a senior home, enjoy the warm feelings like the good father and husband you are. When they leave, secretly smile thinking about the time in PI when you had the sexual experience of your lifetime and wonder what happened to that sweet girl. Ask for an extra push so that your rocking chair gets a bit more speed.
2. Keep in contact with the girl, visit every few months and make her your secret escape from the mundane. String her along or marry her but either way, pay through your nose both financially and emotionally when your wife divorces you and you get bi-monthly visitation rights to see your children. The divorce might come from your wife finding out about your escapades or just from emotional estrangement that a situation like this is bound to cause. Eventually retire to a village on some remote PI island and dole out pesos to the village kids who crowd around your hammock.
3. Stay in contact, visit her but at same time try to line up more girls like this. You will need that because your "high" isn't as high as it was the first few times with the first girl. You get addicted and move on to higher or more frequent dosage. Also, try to arrange trips to some other countries since "variety is spice of life", isn't it? See above about emotional estrangement and divorce.
4. Find a job, NPO or other excuse that allows you to travel and disguise your mongering hobby. Keep from getting too emotionally attached to your occasional partners. Walk the rope and try not to fly too close to the sun.
5. Talk about your situation with a good therapist and eventually with your wife. Discover her hidden sexuality and start a swinging party circle in your town. Bring a pinay girl over occasionally to visit you and spice up your marital life. Don't count too much on this scenario playing out.
6. Any combination of above.
Finally, to be married to a someone who expects you to be monogamous and at the same time secretly carry on international mongering, you have to have patience. Wait for and work towards raising opportunities to travel. You need to silence your inner guilt if it makes you vulnerable to any exploitation by your punts. You need to avoid too deep emotional attachment to your sexual partners in order to save what's left of your ability to love for your family.
Many punters, myself included, have at some point, usually early on in our "career", been at the exact spot that you are at now. For me, it happened with a 23 yo Thai girl during my first mongering trip to Thailand. No money changed hands, the GFE was incredible, partying and dancing all night long was great and despite language barriers we kept in touch for nearly six months through messaging services. I was married at the time. This emotional attachment was not the only reason for my divorce but surely contributed towards it. About three years after meeting this lady, I looked her up in Pattaya through the T-shirt shop she used to work at. I went to see her at the restaurant where she now worked as a cook. She had an Australian boyfriend who was visiting at the time. She remembered the good times we had had and asked if I wanted to go out dancing the following week after the boyfriend left town. I had to leave LOS before that happened so I never found out if first love is also last love. No regrets, though.
But forget my ramblings, Goferring just gave best advice anyone can give for someone in your situation.
Let this guy be happy. I am sure he knows the pitfalls of falling in head over heels for the first girl who he has fun with. He will learn soon. In relationship all over the world girls are the same. Some are good and some are no good. There is no way an outsider can gauge the relationship. Let him be.
Mr Enternational
08-05-18, 18:31
Finally, to be married to a someone who expects you to be monogamous and at the same time secretly carry on international mongering, you have to have patience. Wait for and work towards raising opportunities to travel. You need to silence your inner guilt if it makes you vulnerable to any exploitation by your punts. You need to avoid too deep emotional attachment to your sexual partners in order to save what's left of your ability to love for your family.Now that was a great post.
When it comes to women, a quote that I live by is from the movie Heat:
Neil McCauley: A guy told me one time, "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner. "
Like I said before, it is cop and blow when it comes to women; they come and they go. If you are married, best practice is to catch and release. You get caught up with one chick then you start to get comfortable. Your patterns change. You used to be in the bed with your wife every night at 10, but now you don't get to bed until 11:30 because you are in the other room sending messages to some broad. Changes you make may not be obvious to you because you are all stary-eyed, but they will be obvious to your wife.
When I got married my dad told me never change your pattern. If you come home at 10 pm every night, you keep coming home at 10 pm. And he used to keep a bottle of liquor under his seat so he could take a swig before going into the house and fake like he had been out drinking if need be. I added to that bathing in the car exhaust. You don't want to come home smelling fresh whatever the case.
When I was married, I had a school teacher chick on the side. I got so comfortable. One day me and my wife were at home and she started telling me this story of her friend whose husband had came home with condoms in his pocket when they don't use condoms. She asked what I thought. I told her that the woman should just ask her husband about it instead of jumping to conclusions. So out came these condoms and my wife says I found these in your pocket when I was washing clothes. Luckily I can think fast. I was in school at the time and told my wife that they were giving them away on campus last week; and I am not one to turn down free stuff. I had a couple of close calls like that.
Finally, I just told my wife that I didn't want to be married anymore (instead of trying to sneak around doing dirt) and we were able to split up amicably. We were only married two years and didn't have kids together or anything and were able to remain friends.
I tell you what. I certainly would not be risking the farm over some chick from a 3rd world country that I spent 2 days with. If you risk the farm, then you do it with a chick that has more shit than you do (which is hardly ever the case.) You are the one with everything to lose. After your wife takes at least half of your shit, the side chick will be on to the next "hot" guy and you will be standing there with your dick in your hand looking like a moron wondering where it all went wrong.
Lets not forget about one of the worst ways to get busted, barebacking a girl and then passing along something to your wife when you return home. Can't check your pockets on that, see if your breath is ok to kiss her. Not having sex with your wife is also a dead giveaway.
Chocha Monger
08-05-18, 22:17
Apprentice7,
My views on these girls may seem on the extreme end because many non-pros with a decent job and a stable source of income start out not wanting money, commitment, or exclusivity supposedly. Then as time goes on, they move towards the extreme end of wanting one or more of those things. In your case, the girl just turned 20, so you may have a year or two before she starts calling herself "old" and wanting to have a "serious" relationship with you. Once she starts thinking about her future, you will see a different side to her.
Based on your description, the local boys will consider her very attractive and she will have many suitors. When you were a fresh 20-year-old, would you put your dick on ice waiting for a 40-something-year-old MILF with a husband and a couple of kids to roll back into town? Most likely not. Realize that Pinays love sex and variety, although the so-called "good girls" would never admit this, they secretly ride the cock carousel.
Even Pinays who do not ask for or accept money on a regular basis will eventually ask for a big lump sum of cash due to some alleged family emergency. The idea may not originate with her. A friend or relative will learn of her relationship with you, and put her up to requesting the cash for a real or nonexistent family emergency. Just give it time. LOL!
You can find more like her working in the malls and office complexes. Upscale Makati discos with hefty cover charges, table fees, and bottle service usually appeal to her type too. However, it is best to find girls working normal jobs if you want to increase the odds of finding true non-pros.
The fellas are giving you great advice from many points of view. Maybe my input is a bit extremist, as you say, because experience has shown me that even the most innocent pussy can surprise you. One should not risk anything significant on a 20-year-old Pinay's words. Fucking such a sweet attractive girl bareback naturally leads to release of pair-bonding hormones that create the feelings of love and attachment. The more you fuck her, the more hormones released and the greater the feeling of attachment and longing. As someone mentioned, her pussy may be a Venus flytrap whether she consciously intends it or not. Notice that she did not give you all she had to offer in bed during her week of fucking her exclusively. However, now that you are home with your wife, she is promising you increased benefits such as bareback any hole and position, cum-in-mouth with swallow, and bareback butthole pleasures. It should make you wonder why she held those things back for a week and is now offering them as incentives for your swift return. LOL!
Based on your original declared intentions, you went to Manila to sample some of the urban wild pussy with no strings attached. For much of your trip, you pursued that goal. Then you grew tired of fucking the P4P girls, and craved non-pros and romance. You abandoned the P4 P scene. Then you spent the last week having a love affair and lying about your marital status to keep it going. Although you state that you have no intention to stray from the path of family man and committed husband, you have nonetheless deviated from your original purpose and now on a different path from the one that you were on when you entered this forest.
Maybe I am a bit jaded, but I find it odd that a shy recent high school graduate Chinese Filipina stays on her own in a room at the Pearl Garden Hotel in Malate, a notorious freelance hooker district that causes young female immigration agents at NAIA to raise their eyebrows when listed on entry forms. LOL! Especially, since she lives in Quezon City and can travel home at night for less than the cost of a hotel room. Furthermore, she gives an expert BBBJ in the top 5 ever experienced by a 40-something-years-old monger. What are the odds of a young non-pro being that good? She also knows how to hold back her best skills and act shy initially to draw the monger in with her good girl GFE act. She certainly knows how to drive the progression and pace of the sexual relationship while letting the monger believe that he is in control and making things happen. It seems like she has been playing this game for a while with Chinoy and Korean businessmen out for some 19-hole golf.
Albert9989
08-05-18, 23:06
Mongers,
Many thanks for all your feedback. I don't think I mentioned this before-my non pro is one of those light skinned, Eurasian looking mestiza girl. In another thread a monger warned us about these types of girls and I must agree her beauty and sexy body makes it hard to resist any hidden agendas this girl might have. This girl spends a significant amount of time exchanging messages on her phone with me. ........., but she is pretty convincing with her texts.When I read all this and your comments I think I should tell you my own experience two years ago for my 1st trip to Bali.
I was a 63 yo divorced so totally free to meet any women there.
Before I came I did a lot of chats on several web site, but one of these girls was an indo based in Malaysia for studies. As it will be about Indonesians, not sure it will be in the right thread but I think it could be a good warning example for newcomers.
This girl was chatting a lot, we had video chats, very often, very correct ones, nothing weird, but she was very attractive and talking, a lot about her studies, her life, family, even boyfriends she had before, I think she was ready to marry but refused due to husband not serious enough.
During weeks, may be months we chatted a lot like this, very nice. But she was not interested to come to Bali.
So I went there, I am not an experienced monger so I tried to find some opportunities around in Kuta, I tried Riverview, but it's not really my thing, so I came back to my previous chats. I tried some Balinese contacts and one of them answered me, she wanted to come to my hotel with her car. What's she did immediately. Then we had some pleasant chat, drinks in the hotel, even pool together, and then I asked her to stay. She agreed but it was really unclear what will happen between us. Surely she was playing a little bit with me. She told me that she had work in a famous hotel in Ubud, and some other activities. But thing moved quickly when we were in the room and I found a sex machine all along the night together and all bareback, I forgot all precautions. Then she offered to drive me to several places, to visit, what we did, during 2/3 days, no money asked, very pleasant experince, I arned her that I was not ready to give lot of money, anyway she continued to drive me thereall over Bali island. I think I gave 1.2 mo once and may be another 1.2 mo later on. Then she returned to work. Now we stil have contacts from time to time and she seems still happy when we remind this time. This 1st experience was really a very great one.
Then I tried some other contacts, and the girl from Malaysia answered immediately. After a quick chat she agreed to come to Bali, I bought a flight ticket and the next day she was there at the airport. I brought her to an hotel in Sanur, cheap, 30 euros, but very nice balinese architecture, with swimming pool and aircond.
It took not very long to be in bed and, she was wearing night dresses, but when I started some cuddle, she came very quickly to sex in all ways possible here again! We spent three days here, quite all the time in the hotel room, doing bareback all the time. And then she had to return to KL for her studies. I just put some small money in her bag, nothing asked.
Then I ended my trip there and came back to France.
We continued lot of chat together, I had made it clear to her from the start that nothing could happen beween us like marriage or long relation and she agreed from the start. But we chatted a lot, I even helped her doing some school work.
And some months after she was speaking about her taking some weight. After having heard that several time we came to the point and I asked her to visit a doctor what she did. And she came back saying she was pregnant!
Hum, hum. You can say I didn't take any precaution, yes sure. But that came to be a very crazy situation for me.
Then she did an echography and she sent the result to me, but here I saw that the estimated conception date was 1 month before we met in Bali.
So I told this to her and she admit she had sex one month before with a local man in Malaysia.
After that, with the advice of my doctor here, I cut all relations.
But it stayed unclear for me why she did that, my opinion is that she knew that she could be pregnant and she took the opportunity to have sex with me in order to convince me that I was the father.
I think she was quite honest in the end, but this opportunity was for her like a life opportunity. I don't know what happen then.
But this firt experience had been a strong warning for me.
Anyway I keep a very nice remind of Bali at least for this first girl met there, very very nice and great exp. But the second one was a bit more rude.
TheApprentice7
08-06-18, 19:50
Mongers,
Many thanks again for sharing all your stories. Especially the uncomfortable ones that will help me be better prepared for all this. I have said some things to scale back her expectations per your advice. Made it clear I may see other women in addition to her, told her I will not interfere with her search for her boyfriend, etc. Also clarified that I am technically separated but not divorced, and are living with each other still due to kids. Sleep in basement, and stuff like that. She probably beginning to suspect more. She was not happy about me seeing other girls but understands I cannot offer her much.
Our chats cooled down a bit but with a little bit of time and sweet talk she says even if that's the case she still wishes to see me when I am in Manila. She said she will even come only the first couple days if I want to see other girls and she will not interfere. Here must be the Venus fly trap, because upon hearing that, I couldn't help thinking I would rather bang this girl bareback rather than use condoms and pay other pros. So I started to sweet talk saying I want to cancel other plans to spend more time with her. Probably stupid on my part. But can't help it. That girl is an unresistable venus fly trap.
Almost everything she told me about herself seemed to check out when I looked her up on social media. Or private pics she sent me. She said in a couple years she will invest in real estate with her mom. I am cautious about her sudden payday trap, but so far seems to be financially comfortable from family money.
My domestic situation is somewhat unusual. My wife doesn't take pills so I use condom. LOL this non pro would be the only girl I bareback. In the heat of the moment I only B. B. One other girl in Manila, and because I met her in LA cafe, I freaked out and got HIV test right after. All other pros I used condom for. The prospect of relatively safe bareback is very appealing to me. I will get full std test done before my trip to Manila just to be safe. If I catch anything from her, I'll know better next time.
Lastly following veteran monger advice, I will limit my trips to Manila to work travel opportunities, which will only be around 3 or 4 times a year. I told the girl this and she understands I cannot offer anything more. She still seems invested in me, still sending me lots of txt messages.
She did tell me a few stories when foreign mongers offer her money for poon, and Tells me she refused them all, telling them she is not that type of girl. Not sure whether to believe her or not, but her non pro vibe is very convincing.
There are some unusual behavior though that I do take note of. She says she does not get along with her stepdad, and recently moved out to a small apt in paranaque by herself. She says she plans to move to makati in another year and possibly get a housemate at that time (girl housemate). I am not familiar with pinay thought process and am not sure if this is unusual behavior or not. Either way I have no intent to ask for exclusivity or anything but if she is making $$ on the side from other mongers I want to be aware.
My plan is proceed with biz trip to Manila as planned in a couple of months, spend a lot of time with her, and if need be, tell her I am in the process of reconciling with wife, and see if she will take a mistress position.
Thanks mongers for all your advice!
TheApprentice7
08-06-18, 22:10
When I read all this and your comments I think I should tell you my own experience two years ago for my 1st trip to Bali....
Then she did an echography and she sent the result to me, but here I saw that the estimated conception date was 1 month before we met in Bali.
So I told this to her and she admit she had sex one month before with a local man in Malaysia.
After that, with the advice of my doctor here, I cut all relations.
But it stayed unclear for me why she did that, my opinion is that she knew that she could be pregnant and she took the opportunity to have sex with me in order to convince me that I was the father.
I think she was quite honest in the end, but this opportunity was for her like a life opportunity. I don't know what happen then.
But this firt experience had been a strong warning for me.
Anyway I keep a very nice remind of Bali at least for this first girl met there, very very nice and great exp. But the second one was a bit more rude.Thanks for sharing that. Glad to hear your first experience was pleasant, as it gets me more optimistic about my situation. These lessons will serve me well in the coming year!
TheApprentice7
08-06-18, 22:24
Apprentice7,
My views on these girls may seem on the extreme end because many non-pros with a decent job and a stable source of income start out not wanting money, commitment, or exclusivity supposedly. Then as time goes on, they move towards the extreme end of wanting one or more of those things. In your case, the girl just turned 20, so you may have a year or two before she starts calling herself "old" and wanting to have a "serious" relationship with you. Once she starts thinking about her future, you will see a different side to her....
The fellas are giving you great advice from many points of view. Maybe my input is a bit extremist, as you say, because experience has shown me that even the most innocent pussy can surprise you. One should not risk anything significant on a 20-year-old Pinay's words. Fucking such a sweet attractive girl bareback naturally leads to release of pair-bonding hormones that create the feelings of love and attachment. The more you fuck her, the more hormones released and the greater the feeling of attachment and longing. As someone mentioned, her pussy may be a Venus flytrap whether she consciously intends it or not. Notice that she did not give you all she had to offer in bed during her week of fucking her exclusively. However, now that you are home with your wife, she is promising you increased benefits such as bareback any hole and position, cum-in-mouth with swallow, and bareback butthole pleasures. It should make you wonder why she held those things back for a week and is now offering them as incentives for your swift return. LOL!CM,
Thanks for pointing this out. When and if the payday request does come, I will offer a little money and try and walk away. As to barebacking her, I thrust it raw dog a few times when we got together the second time and she did not object. It was me who wanted to be careful and put on the wrapper to finish. I actually don't enjoy anal either but while we were sexting we talked about what she used to do with her BF and she was honest about it. Her BF used to bareback her and shot his load outside. She admitted he came in her 3 times as well, but luckily never got preggo. She also tried anal but didn't like it. So I started asking her if she will let me do those things as well and she said yes. I don't particularly enjoy anal, but wonder if Bareback anal makes a big difference? Asking about anal was mainly to find out how adventurous she is willing to be with me, see how far I can push the envelope. It's only now that I have a better feel for her social life / non pro life that I feel comfortable barebacking her in these different holes. She has limits tho. She will not agree to a 3 some. Said she would not be able to do it due to jealousy.
In any case your advice is golden and allows me to have broader spectrum of monger views on dating non pros. Many thanks.
BrainDrain
08-06-18, 23:16
And some months after she was speaking about her taking some weight. After having heard that several time we came to the point and I asked her to visit a doctor what she did. And she came back saying she was pregnant!.How interesting. I've just had a Malaysian honey telling me that she is pregnant with my baby. Her due date meas that she will be in the rare class of women having a 10 month gestation.
Nice Guy 99
08-07-18, 02:13
Mongers,
Many thanks again for sharing all your stories.
My plan is proceed with biz trip to Manila as planned in a couple of months, spend a lot of time with her, and if need be, tell her I am in the process of reconciling with wife, and see if she will take a mistress position.
Thanks mongers for all your advice!You're on the right track. I'm married to a girl 25 years younger than me. Wonderful caring relationship and great sex but I still have a roving eye on my international business trips.
Had a wonderful 8 year relationship with a Chinese WG in the Middle East. Loved her so much that I found her a husband on the Internet. She is now married and a US citizen but still calls me every now and then for advice.
Following that great experience I met a lovely pinay with a university degree and a full time legitimate job, also in a Middle East country. One of those people you hit it off with immediately. She is 38 years younger than me. I managed to see her about 6 times a year for weekends or sometimes a week. No money asked for. I did give her some money for Christmas and for her birthday. Bought her some clothes, nothing crazy. The relationship was bareback 3-holer. Since I am snipped no little NG's in the future. Totally open with her about my wife and that I will never divorce. After about ten months we decided to get an apartment together. Actually saved me money over the hotel costs. We talked about pinay stereotypes. Maintaining several BFs, regular cash contributions, etc. She really seemed to be the exception to the rule. The relationship lasted for a little over three years. It started to crumble when she asked me to buy a jeepney for her younger brother so he could support their mom. Of course, with 50+ years of mongering experience, I refused. Then a few weeks later she told me that one of her older brothers died and she needed money for the funeral. That was the deal breaker. I was FB friends with some of her relatives and several of her friends and I knew this was not true. We parted ways. Still chat but seldom.
My advice to you is to enjoy your young friend to the max. Make sure your eyes are wide open as they now seem to be. There will / may come a time when she asks for big money. Be ready to amicably walk away. In your case you should probably insulate her from info about your wife and family. In my case my wife knows I have relationships overseas.
Enjoy!
How interesting. I've just had a Malaysian honey telling me that she is pregnant with my baby. Her due date meas that she will be in the rare class of women having a 10 month gestation.I travel with a dozen pregnancy test sticks just in case one needs one or I want to test a girl. I get them from Amazon for about 50 cents each. In PH they costs about $2 each and most girls can't afford them. Bring these along with chocolate! LOL.
Chocha Monger
08-07-18, 03:05
CM,
Thanks for pointing this out. When and if the payday request does come, I will offer a little money and try and walk away. As to barebacking her, I thrust it raw dog a few times when we got together the second time and she did not object. It was me who wanted to be careful and put on the wrapper to finish. I actually don't enjoy anal either but while we were sexting we talked about what she used to do with her BF and she was honest about it. Her BF used to bareback her and shot his load outside. She admitted he came in her 3 times as well, but luckily never got preggo. She also tried anal but didn't like it. So I started asking her if she will let me do those things as well and she said yes. I don't particularly enjoy anal, but wonder if Bareback anal makes a big difference? Asking about anal was mainly to find out how adventurous she is willing to be with me, see how far I can push the envelope. It's only now that I have a better feel for her social life / non pro life that I feel comfortable barebacking her in these different holes. She has limits tho. She will not agree to a 3 some. Said she would not be able to do it due to jealousy.
In any case your advice is golden and allows me to have broader spectrum of monger views on dating non pros. Many thanks.Apprentice7,
You are welcome. I will give you another tidbit. Young Pinays rarely live on their own even if they can afford it. They are not exactly solitary creatures. Even if stepdaddy gets horny and tries to stick his stiff cock in her sweet pink Venus flytrap, she is more likely to move in with a relative from her mommy's side of the family rather than strike out on her own in an apartment in Paraaque. The odds are more likely that a wealthy Pinoy senator or a Korean businessman is keeping her as a mistress, and they make use of her puss infrequently due to the busy schedules and familial obligations. That is the ideal situation for a young middle class girl in Manila, as she can have a few wealthy patrons on rotation while enjoying her youth with her peers.
Time will tell what she has in mind for you eventually, it always does. LOL! Meanwhile, just be careful and do not blunder into any surprises. You may have heard about the incident where Vhong Navarro visited a 22-year-old attractive Pinay in a luxury condo where she gave him a marvelous BBBJCIM. It turns out that she was the mistress of Filipino gangster businessman Cedric Lee, who barged in with his goons. They held Navarro with a gun to his head, beat the horniness out of him, and forced him to "confess" to assault on video. After he refused to pay blackmail money to his assailants, they took him down to the police station where his romantic interest accused him of forcing his cock into her.
The lesson is that wealthy Pinoy businessmen do not take kindly to other fellas fucking their 22-year-old mistress in the luxury condos where they keep them for their convenience. LOL! You may want to make sure that your 20-year-old darling always comes to your hotel, and never visit her at the condo where she intends to live in the near future. You can survive an STD, or even a pregnancy but not a bullet to the back of the skull at point blank range, which is how rich jealous Pinoys dispose of their rivals.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/cedric-lee-filipino-businessman-allegedly-behind-vhong-navarro-being-beaten-up_472888.html
Mr Enternational
08-07-18, 13:07
She has limits tho. She will not agree to a 3 some. Said she would not be able to do it due to jealousy.You have to tell her that you are doing it for her, not for you. You want her to see how good a woman can be.
Wicked Roger
08-07-18, 15:16
Apprentice7,
ou may have heard about the incident where Vhong Navarro visited a 22-year-old attractive Pinay in a luxury condo where she gave him a marvelous BBBJCIM. It turns out that she was the mistress of Filipino gangster businessman Cedric Lee, who barged in with his goons. They held Navarro with a gun to his head, beat the horniness out of him, and forced him to "confess" to assault on video. After he refused to pay blackmail money to his assailants, they took him down to the police station where his romantic interest accused him of forcing his cock into her.
Thttps://www.theepochtimes.com/cedric-lee-filipino-businessman-allegedly-behind-vhong-navarro-being-beaten-up_472888.htmlAnd the other thing was she claimed he managed to do the deed in less than a minute, was distraught and then was seen leaving the condo smiling and going for coffee (all in the news) LOL.
Lots of reporting on the guy sows he was also in league with others so a Google search will show what has happened to them recently.
http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/27/18/undefined
https://www.philstar.com/nation/2018/07/28/1837342/cedric-lee-deniece-cornejo-get-3-years-vhong-navarro-attack
And the other thing was she claimed he managed to do the deed in less than a minute, was distraught and then was seen leaving the condo smiling and going for coffee (all in the news) LOL.
Lots of reporting on the guy sows he was also in league with others so a Google search will show what has happened to them recently.
http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/27/18/undefined
https://www.philstar.com/nation/2018/07/28/1837342/cedric-lee-deniece-cornejo-get-3-years-vhong-navarro-attackGot to love a pussy warped gangsta.
Years ago there was a major gang war in Jakarta with two groups trying to wipe each other out. Bodies were dropping, nightclubs were being blown up and it got pretty serious for a while.
The news and police were putting it down to a turf war over drug territories so you can imagine the surprise when it turned out it was just two shot callers batting over 19th hole rights with a caddy at one of the high end golf courses.
Chocha Monger
08-08-18, 00:10
When I read all this and your comments I think I should tell you my own experience two years ago for my 1st trip to Bali.
I was a 63 yo divorced so totally free to meet any women there.
Before I came I did a lot of chats on several web site, but one of these girls was an indo based in Malaysia for studies. As it will be about Indonesians, not sure it will be in the right thread but I think it could be a good warning example for newcomers.
This girl was chatting a lot, we had video chats, very often, very correct ones, nothing weird, but she was very attractive and talking, a lot about her studies, her life, family, even boyfriends she had before, I think she was ready to marry but refused due to husband not serious enough.
During weeks, may be months we chatted a lot like this, very nice. But she was not interested to come to Bali.
So I went there, I am not an experienced monger so I tried to find some opportunities around in Kuta, I tried Riverview, but it's not really my thing, so I came back to my previous chats..That was a narrow escape! A month earlier, the caddy allowed the Malaysian punter to play through. The Malaysian fella teed off and sunk the ball in the 19th hole, scoring a hole-in-one. However, the caddy failed to inform you that the game was "two-man best ball" and tried to award you the tournament trophy. The lesson is that one should never assume he is the only one in the tee box, when playing 19-hole golf in Southeast Asia.
Albert9989
08-08-18, 21:10
That was a narrow escape! A month earlier, the caddy allowed the Malaysian punter to play through. The Malaysian fella teed off and sunk the ball in the 19th hole, scoring a hole-in-one. However, the caddy failed to inform you that the game was "two-man best ball" and tried to award you the tournament trophy. The lesson is that one should never assume he is the only one in the tee box, when playing 19-hole golf in Southeast Asia.Haha, excellent, I never play golf but here I did a good play and was close to win the master cup!
Naked Gunz
08-11-18, 04:25
Gunz in the Phils after 5 year absence. Getting my bearings, and logistics down as its been awhile. I have Tinder plus which puts me on the ground long before arrival. However, it does not matter, as it comes down to Pros being their usual lying, conniving version of themselves, and non-pros really having no time to do anything because of 6 day work week and single-mom shit. Had a pro come by yesterday after much BS banter back and forth. She started with a decent BBBJ, and her thick body made me want to ride her doggie right away. Then she announces she is on her period! Lying! I still gave her one K for fighting traffic, and to avoid girl drama (always stop problems at the lowest level) but I was none to happy. She had the nerve to get mad at me and stormed out! WTF! Non-pros have proliferated TINDER, which I thought is supposed to be for hook ups, saying they want love- go figure. Leave it to a woman to yet again fuck up something made for men by men.
Gunz in the Phils after 5 year absence. Getting my bearings, and logistics down as its been awhile. I have Tinder plus which puts me on the ground long before arrival. However, it does not matter, as it comes down to Pros being their usual lying, conniving version of themselves, and non-pros really having no time to do anything because of 6 day work week and single-mom shit. Had a pro come by yesterday after much BS banter back and forth. She started with a decent BBBJ, and her thick body made me want to ride her doggie right away. Then she announces she is on her period! Lying! I still gave her one K for fighting traffic, and to avoid girl drama (always stop problems at the lowest level) but I was none to happy. She had the nerve to get mad at me and stormed out! WTF! Non-pros have proliferated TINDER, which I thought is supposed to be for hook ups, saying they want love- go figure. Leave it to a woman to yet again fuck up something made for men by men.I wouldn't read too much into the "I want love" statements. It gives the girls cover for being on Tinder in case an acquaintance sees them there. Remember, it is still a traditionally conservative Catholic country.
Chocha Monger
08-11-18, 15:24
Gunz in the Phils after 5 year absence. Getting my bearings, and logistics down as its been awhile. I have Tinder plus which puts me on the ground long before arrival. However, it does not matter, as it comes down to Pros being their usual lying, conniving version of themselves, and non-pros really having no time to do anything because of 6 day work week and single-mom shit. Had a pro come by yesterday after much BS banter back and forth. She started with a decent BBBJ, and her thick body made me want to ride her doggie right away. Then she announces she is on her period! Lying! I still gave her one K for fighting traffic, and to avoid girl drama (always stop problems at the lowest level) but I was none to happy. She had the nerve to get mad at me and stormed out! WTF! Non-pros have proliferated TINDER, which I thought is supposed to be for hook ups, saying they want love- go figure. Leave it to a woman to yet again fuck up something made for men by men."Looking for love" always mean "looking for money from foreigners" in the Philippines. The "free fucks" are often more costly than the paid fucks. If you are not a Filipino, that pussy is going to cost you something.
Naked Gunz
08-14-18, 03:24
I wouldn't read too much into the "I want love" statements. It gives the girls cover for being on Tinder in case an acquaintance sees them there. Remember, it is still a traditionally conservative Catholic country.
"Looking for love" always mean "looking for money from foreigners" in the Philippines. The "free fucks" are often more costly than the paid fucks. If you are not a Filipino, that pussy is going to cost you something.True, same, same worldwide. Pinay always play it sweet, so they throw me off initially. IMHO, their "hardcore" is not that hard, vs Latina or Africans I have had. For instance I just yesterday had a DIA chic come by for the massage with extras. She gave a rudimentary massage, actually hurting me in some joints, but the extras were fucking awesome! Sweet BBBJ, and doggie, mish were fantastic. Almost worth the plane ride. Gunz felt like he was on a honeymoon! She purred like a kitten under me with long deep French, and I pounded to my hearts content. I had to stop her after hours and two pops. Tipped her for that performance. Bless the Phils.
Chocha Monger
09-03-18, 15:53
True, same, same worldwide. Pinay always play it sweet, so they throw me off initially. IMHO, their "hardcore" is not that hard, vs Latina or Africans I have had. For instance I just yesterday had a DIA chic come by for the massage with extras. She gave a rudimentary massage, actually hurting me in some joints, but the extras were fucking awesome! Sweet BBBJ, and doggie, mish were fantastic. Almost worth the plane ride. Gunz felt like he was on a honeymoon! She purred like a kitten under me with long deep French, and I pounded to my hearts content. I had to stop her after hours and two pops. Tipped her for that performance. Bless the Phils.Looks like you were lucky to stumble into the hardest working pussy in the Philippines. However, not all of them like working so hard that they have to spritz the pussy with bottle a bottle of Febreze after the session.
TheApprentice7
09-11-18, 18:21
You're on the right track. I'm married to a girl 25 years younger than me. Wonderful caring relationship and great sex but I still have a roving eye on my international business trips.
Had a wonderful 8 year relationship with a Chinese WG in the Middle East. Loved her so much that I found her a husband on the Internet. She is now married and a US citizen but still calls me every now and then for advice.
Following that great experience I met a lovely pinay with a university degree and a full time legitimate job, also in a Middle East country. One of those people you hit it off with immediately. She is 38 years younger than me. I managed to see her about 6 times a year for weekends or sometimes a week....
My advice to you is to enjoy your young friend to the max. Make sure your eyes are wide open as they now seem to be. There will / may come a time when she asks for big money. Be ready to amicably walk away. In your case you should probably insulate her from info about your wife and family. In my case my wife knows I have relationships overseas.
Enjoy!Mongers,
This apprentice is truly pathetic. I am quoting the above because this was what I was hoping for with my non pro girl. We had been exchanging messages for the past 6 weeks, and as time went by I felt myself more and more attached while she began to lose interest, wanting to find a long term BF. I told her just wait for me to come in October but she was conflicted, where some days she would video chat excitedly with me and other days I would hear nothing from her all day. Not even text messages. She promises she's just with gfs doing busy stuff that girls do. I am skeptical. I eventually broke it off, telling her to go find someone local who can help her get through her depression and mood swings due to her hormonal disorder. So we "parted" amicably.
And pathetically I had fallen for her so much I actually have like no interest in seeing other girls. I have no interest in bar scene or negotiating $$ for any chick. But I am still coming back to Manila as it may help me get over her quicker. Looking for advice which dating apps to use, one well suited for a young Asian American like myself, to pick up some chicks in their 20's. I heard of tinder and PL but they seem mostly for hookups where many pros go? What do you think of badoo? Any feedback on that one? Also since I am staying t hotel, when should I start contacting girls to make appointments? Like a week before my flight? Will appreciate any advice, thanks all!
BrainDrain
09-12-18, 07:43
Mongers,
This apprentice is truly pathetic. I am quoting the above because this was what I was hoping for with my non pro girl. We had been exchanging messages for the past 6 weeks, and as time went by I felt myself more and more attached while she began to lose interest, wanting to find a long term BF.That's Filipina101 they do not have much patience if you have not met them at least for the first time.
Pinalove has been good for me, as has Tagged. If you are planning October then don't start contacting yet.
By all means, look at the sites and see who is there. If they are still looking in 6 weeks then they are not for you. Look for genuine new talent 2 weeks before you arrive.
If you are going to have a good relationship you need to be comfortable with not knowing what they are doing while you are away. They can of course tell you, which will just mean they have to lie to you.
I should be in Manila and AC in October, let's share notes.
BD.
And pathetically I had fallen for her so much I actually have like no interest in seeing other girls. I have no interest in bar scene or negotiating $$ for any chick. But I am still coming back to Manila as it may help me get over her quicker. Don't worry, your lust and memories will evaporate as soon as you meet the next innocent and shy girl 3 minutes after arriving in Manila. Trust me, as much as you think so, she was not "special" and there are many more out there to replace her.
Looking for advice which dating apps to use, one well suited for a young Asian American like myself, to pick up some chicks in their 20's. I heard of tinder and PL but they seem mostly for hookups where many pros go? What do you think of badoo? Any feedback on that one? Also since I am staying t hotel, when should I start contacting girls to make appointments? Like a week before my flight? Will appreciate any advice, thanks all!PL and Tinder do have many purely professional girls but every app also has some relatively decent girls looking for Mr. Right. It's just a matter of logging on and finding them. Seeking Arrangement is getting good reports for better quality girls available for medium term relationships so you may want to research it. Lots of reports here if you search ISG.
For when to start communication, mongers fall into two categories. Some start a couple of weeks out with chatting, Viber and video chatting etc. Others, including me, only make contact when in country and find that the girls react better when they know they are not wasting time or being hit on for camsex. Remember that all girls want to meet guys in the flesh but get hundreds of messages, many of which are just time wasters who will never come to the PI or meet girls. Again, search the Penpals thread for lots of info.
Don't get too fixated on just meeting "good" girls. They do take a lot of effort and time to secure so you may enjoy a few STs to tide you over until you find what you do want. They will also help remove the look of desperation and newbie that everyone arrives with. You will also be more able to think with your big head and make some sensible decisions. 😁.
TheApprentice7
09-12-18, 17:59
That's Filipina101 they do not have much patience if you have not met them at least for the first time.
Pinalove has been good for me, as has Tagged. If you are planning October then don't start contacting yet.
By all means, look at the sites and see who is there. If they are still looking in 6 weeks then they are not for you. Look for genuine new talent 2 weeks before you arrive.
If you are going to have a good relationship you need to be comfortable with not knowing what they are doing while you are away. They can of course tell you, which will just mean they have to lie to you.
I should be in Manila and AC in October, let's share notes.
BD.Thanks for this BD. I just wanted to clarify I have seen her a few times back in late July. Her milky smooth creamy skin and tight snatch and incredible BBBJ forces me to be mesmerized, often recalling those details vividly during our video chat. Otherwise it would be easy to move on.
Another update. A very embarrassing one. In a drunken stupor I messaged her saying I really miss her and to disregard my comments breaking it off with her. The tentative agenda now is back to seeing her and only her the while time I am in Manila, and the saddest part about this is the fact that I have no interest in other girls, even when they have tempted me with promises of carnal nights that I would not forget. Truly sad. I am actually at the point where I want to separate from the wife (have been unhappy in marriage for awhile but this actually prompted me to seriously consider splitting from wife), in hopes of a brighter future with hotter sexier chick like her or someone similar (if this doesn't work out).
Would love to share notes in Oct. When will you be there? I plan on being there 10/1 - 10/8 and possibly extend trip another week if all goes well with this girl.
Mr Enternational
09-13-18, 00:09
And pathetically I had fallen for her so much I actually have like no interest in seeing other girls. I have no interest in bar scene or negotiating $$ for any chick. But I am still coming back to Manila as it may help me get over her quicker.Hold up. I thought you were married. If so, then why the fuck would you need to get over someone else? Is this how you ended up married in the first place? Met a chick, she put that pussy on you, and then you didn't have interest in seeing anyone else? Man you must be one of those hopeless romantics. Once again, this thing is cop and blow. Women come and women go. My policy is to just enjoy a person while I am with them.
I have gone through at least 50 new non-paid chicks in the past year and I am not singing love songs. One chick sucked your dick without a condom and now you are all in love? You might need to play the lottery. Either I am doing something wrong or you are fooling yourself.
20 years ago when I was your age, I was fucking everything that moved. These days I am fucking it whether it is moving or not. So many chicks try to get me to settle down. For what? I tell them to try to enjoy being with a person without putting all kinds of stipulations on them. You have too much time on your hands if you are worrying about what that chick is doing 24 hours a day. Stop starving for attention and let the damn girl breathe.
Besides, NEW PUSSY CAN'T COOK!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp39zD6_cLU
BrainDrain
09-13-18, 02:17
Truly sad. I am actually at the point where I want to separate from the wife (have been unhappy in marriage for awhile but this actually prompted me to seriously consider splitting from wife), in hopes of a brighter future with hotter sexier chick like her or someone similar (if this doesn't work out).
rl.Here in the Forum I have written about a Surigao chick that almost had me believing the same future. Certainly sexier but as time goes on the problems and baggage start to appear.
Mr Enternational
09-13-18, 03:08
Here in the Forum I have written about a Surigao chick that almost had me believing the same future. Certainly sexier but as time goes on the problems and baggage start to appear.LOL. And as soon as he separates, them broads will be nowhere to be found. He will be left with his dick in his hand. When I was in the Navy I used to wear a wedding ring to pick up chicks. Chicks are no different than dudes. Always want what they can't have. 1 million hookers in Angeles and someone posts about wanting to fuck the hotel clerk. If the clerk was one of the hookers in one of the bars, they would not have given her a second look.
Same as when you break up with your wife, they are not going to give you a second look. LOL. Then when you get finished paying child support and shit you won't have time or money to run over to P. I. to see Miss New Pussy. You don't pay someone to take your farm and think you can go live at the carnival. You go ride all the rides and have fun, then take your ass back to the farm until the next time that you can visit the carnival.
I have gone through at least 50 new non-paid chicks in the past year and I am not singing love songs. ]That's what I go through in a whole year, well maybe 10 more but I've slowed down quite a bit at 62. And I sing love songs with my guitar to most all of them but there is no hint of commitment despite the music. Chris Rock is so funny! "Men don't settle down, they surrender"! So true! Thanks for the clip, E!
Thanks for this BD. I just wanted to clarify I have seen her a few times back in late July. Her milky smooth creamy skin and tight snatch and incredible BBBJ forces me to be mesmerized, often recalling those details vividly during our video chat. Otherwise it would be easy to move on.
Another update. A very embarrassing one. In a drunken stupor I messaged her saying I really miss her and to disregard my comments breaking it off with her. The tentative agenda now is back to seeing her and only her the while time I am in Manila, and the saddest part about this is the fact that I have no interest in other girls, even when they have tempted me with promises of carnal nights that I would not forget. Truly sad. I am actually at the point where I want to separate from the wife (have been unhappy in marriage for awhile but this actually prompted me to seriously consider splitting from wife), in hopes of a brighter future with hotter sexier chick like her or someone similar (if this doesn't work out).
Would love to share notes in Oct. When will you be there? I plan on being there 10/1 - 10/8 and possibly extend trip another week if all goes well with this girl.You are on the verge of making the most regrettable decision of your life. This girl couldn't give two shits about you, you are one of many rotating white men hitting that. She can't even be bothered to keep up a fake online relationship with you and you are thinking about leaving your real wife / real life for her. Stop putting that pussy up on a pedestal.
TheApprentice7
09-13-18, 15:46
Thanks mongers, this is the brutal truth I needed to hear. The thing is, I see how my parents worked all their lives in the US and even at the age of 65, they are still paying mortgage and stuff and still struggle with bills. To me the prospect of an early retirement in Asia is more tempting than my current married life, living almost paycheck to paycheck (although I do manage to max out my 401 k). My wife will consider Asia she prefers the USA. I have completely fallen out of love with her already and is only in it for kids. This is what is making me even consider leaving my wife. It is really more of an excuse to pull the trigger early to start project Asia retirement, where the main issue is my selfishness will cause my kids to see me a lot less. This is the biggest hurdle for me, not the child care or alimony I will need to make.
I did clarify my relationship with the non pro following all your advice. I made it clear I can't be her BF, and we will merely be friends with benefits.
Thanks all for knocking some sense into me, and if anyone had a similar experience in life as to the crossroads I am at which they can share, I'the appreciate it.
Thanks!
TheApprentice7
09-13-18, 16:07
Here in the Forum I have written about a Surigao chick that almost had me believing the same future. Certainly sexier but as time goes on the problems and baggage start to appear.BD,
I tried to find your post about this, went back a few pages through your listing history but can't seem to find it. Can I trouble you to link it? Thanks!
To me the prospect of an early retirement in Asia is more tempting than my current married life, living almost paycheck to paycheck (although I do manage to max out my 401 k). My wife will consider Asia she prefers the USA. I have completely fallen out of love with her already and is only in it for kids. This is what is making me even consider leaving my wife. It is really more of an excuse to pull the trigger early to start project Asia retirement, where the main issue is my selfishness will cause my kids to see me a lot less. This is the biggest hurdle for me, not the child care or alimony I will need to make.My condolences on your current situation. This is totally different to throwing your life away because of some hoe you met on line yesterday as many assumed you were doing.
All I can suggest is be very sure of your options before you make any major decisions. You do not have to act on all fronts at once so work on a time line that works in your favour rather than against you.
Break ups and divorces are incredibly difficult both emotionally and financially. Only you will know if its truly beyond recovery or if some time and effort spent on the home front will pay dividends.
If it is beyond repair, get that sorted BEFORE embarking on a pina relationship. Separating because of irreconcilable differences can be understood by spouses, courts and kids. Separating because you cheated on your wife with an apparent Asian hooker half your age will enrage all concerned leaving you to pay the price.
Retiring to the PI works for some but also is a disaster for others. Again, take it slow and learn from others that seem to be going through the process successfully. Kabul Guy, Good Enough and DCups seem to have their act together so maybe search some of their posts. Most importantly, try before you make permanent decisions. Living in Asia is totally different to frequent visits for a couple of weeks.
BrainDrain
09-14-18, 06:30
BD,
I tried to find your post about this, went back a few pages through your listing history but can't seem to find it. Can I trouble you to link it? Thanks!Thanks for the fact checking. Here are my posts which include this girl staring.
There are so many lovely girls in PH once you scratch the surface. Not all are hardened pros that will always first get our attention and money.
The standard single mum dancer that plies her trade in AC is not the norm. There are heaps of single, childless, friendly filipina.
One of the stories I know is my ex-Phillies waitress. She tried making it as an OFW and that didn't work. Currently back in her province working her family sari-sari. She just wants a guy to care for. But the province life is not for me.
Miss Surigao is still available in Surigao. Still studying.
Well it had to happen, after two years of travelling to Philippines I was finally scammed in an online dating site. I know I have written about all of the rules, always get face check, skype etc. In this case, I couldn't / wouldn't get agreement from these two to skype, low bandwidth, account won't load, forgot password etc etc. Anyway I settled for voice contact via their mobiles. That was good and we had good conversations.
First girl, turns out the lady's Tagged profile is a family affair. This 22 year old girl is hot property and is the family's meal ticket to success if they can marry her off to a wealthy foreigner. Messages are answered by the mother, maybe the girl or other members of the family. Lovely people but not my cup of tea.
Second, the other girl. Her cousin set up and answers her Tagged profile. My first contact with her was on the phone, the SMS. Next thing she's in my room telling me how much she loved my Tagged conversations. Hmm. And she stayed the night and was wonderful. Possibly one of the tightest girls I have ever been with and no compensation accepted, not even a trik fare of P10..
Cebu has long been a favorite city of mine, in fact if was my first experience in Philippines. Here is a story of my arrival last week.
I left the provincial city where my provincial girl # 1 had accompanied me to the airport and put me on the flight safely with a good bye kiss after a lovely few romantic days.
The flight landed into Cebu on time and I was greeted by a previous flame from a previous trip, girl #2. No time wasted there. I did have a meeting to go to later that morning, so she suggested we go to a Queenslander so I could freshen up. Three hours in the room was pretty good fun. I headed off to my meeting very happy..
GoodEnough
09-14-18, 10:36
Retiring to the PI works for some but also is a disaster for others. Again, take it slow and learn from others that seem to be going through the process successfully. Kabul Guy, Good Enough and DCups seem to have their act together so maybe search some of their posts. Most importantly, try before you make permanent decisions. Living in Asia is totally different to frequent visits for a couple of weeks.Goferring provides some wise counsel in his post. I've lived and worked overseas, in a variety of countries in Europe, Africa and Asia for a hell of a long time, and I have seen too many guys crash and burn because of their overly-romanticized view of "the expatriate lifestyle. " Conversely, there are others who live contented lives and will not likely every go back home to live.
Part of a longer-term experience in country depends, I guess on one's personality, and partially on one's expectations. If the primary motivation in coming here is simply having sex with an endless bevy of 20-somethings, then believe me, it gets old fast, and it's not enough to sustain most people I know for very long. So I echo Goferring's suggestion: don't burn all your bridges immediately. Come here for a longer stay than normal and try to live like an expat rather than as a tourist during that time. Start to make friends whose company you enjoy.
GE.
PedroMorales
09-14-18, 12:02
Thanks mongers, this is the brutal truth I needed to hear. The thing is, I see how my parents worked all their lives in the US and even at the age of 65, they are still paying mortgage and stuff and still struggle with bills. To me the prospect of an early retirement in Asia is more tempting than my current married life, living almost paycheck to paycheck (although I do manage to max out my 401 k). My wife will consider Asia she prefers the USA. I have completely fallen out of love with her already and is only in it for kids. This is what is making me even consider leaving my wife. It is really more of an excuse to pull the trigger early to start project Asia retirement, where the main issue is my selfishness will cause my kids to see me a lot less. This is the biggest hurdle for me, not the child care or alimony I will need to make.
I did clarify my relationship with the non pro following all your advice. I made it clear I can't be her BF, and we will merely be friends with benefits.
Thanks all for knocking some sense into me, and if anyone had a similar experience in life as to the crossroads I am at which they can share, I'the appreciate it.
Thanks!You need a lot of sense knocked into you. If you go to Philippines or Thailand, you will get it knocked into you as you are a prime candidate for the rebound shakedown. You are running from your wife, not going to anything and in SE Asia, that is disaster. The only happy ending you get is some midget pulling your knob. I have spent over half my life abroad, much of it in Asia. The key thing is you have to be doing something besides bonking a Samar farmer's daughter, working out in the gym and downing Happy Hour SMBs with other losers.
Hitching up with a rice farmer's daughter suit many types: ex military, tattooed types and so on. I've met lots of decent, older guys who think they will find the love of their second lives in a brothel. The women are nice but they are "fallen" women", creatures of the night, as a 1980's' song had it. Last time, I had this pommie be-the in his 70's tell me he was there to "save" a girl who would love him in return. He is the one who needs saving, from himself.
By and large, all young women want young guys, not only to drill them unmercifully but to have common dreams and talk common shyyt together, to confide in each other and so on. They don't want grand the on his dialysis machine and back pack of Viagra.
This conversation has gone on since this forum began and will go on till it ends. First off, find out what you want to do and what you want to be. SE Asia can be a very expensive place for that voyage. If you're happy hanging around bars for their SMB happy hour and hitching up with some Samar whrre and if you want to improve your pool skills and develop a liking for karaoke and kim chee, then head to Angeles.
There are countless exceptions to this visa of staring off into an Alzheimer's induced nothingness but, if you do not have your life plan and game sorted, that is what most likely awaits you.
Hold up. I thought you were married. If so, then why the fuck would you need to get over someone else? Is this how you ended up married in the first place? Met a chick, she put that pussy on you, and then you didn't have interest in seeing anyone else? Man you must be one of those hopeless romantics. Once again, this thing is cop and blow. Women come and women go. My policy is to just enjoy a person while I am with them.
I have gone through at least 50 new non-paid chicks in the past year and I am not singing love songs. One chick sucked your dick without a condom and now you are all in love? You might need to play the lottery. Either I am doing something wrong or you are fooling yourself.
20 years ago when I was your age, I was fucking everything that moved. These days I am fucking it whether it is moving or not. So many chicks try to get me to settle down. For what? I tell them to try to enjoy being with a person without putting all kinds of stipulations on them. You have too much time on your hands if you are worrying about what that chick is doing 24 hours a day. Stop starving for attention and let the damn girl breathe.
Besides, NEW PUSSY CAN'T COOK!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp39zD6_cLUTx for the link. Classsic Chris Rock:
Commitment gives you a headache every now and then.
New Pussy clears up your mind!
BrainDrain
09-18-18, 01:34
We all know that many Filipina are wonderful actresses. For sure some of them deserve awards.
Surely to all of them can be playing us though? In the case of the hotel waitress that I am dating at the moment. She has had one long term foreigner BF before. That was a few years ago and since then supposedly not looking for a BF.
Now she says she's committed to me, obviously ready fro a child, and will stay with me forever.
I have no problems getting myself out of this pickle BUT how do they get themselves so twisted up in a guy that they have met just a few times.
Ideas and thoughts?
We all know that many Filipina are wonderful actresses. For sure some of them deserve awards.
Surely to all of them can be playing us though? In the case of the hotel waitress that I am dating at the moment. She has had one long term foreigner BF before. That was a few years ago and since then supposedly not looking for a BF.
Now she says she's committed to me, obviously ready fro a child, and will stay with me forever.
I have no problems getting myself out of this pickle BUT how do they get themselves so twisted up in a guy that they have met just a few times.
Ideas and thoughts?As one Filipina said to me about her friend, "M is stupid for love". Aren't we all? At one time or another?
WestCoast1
09-18-18, 05:04
I have no problems getting myself out of this pickle BUT how do they get themselves so twisted up in a guy that they have met just a few times.The don't fall in love with the guy after just a few chats or meets. They fall in love with something they have known a long time: They fall in love with the idea of being in love.
GoodEnough
09-18-18, 07:04
This conversation has gone on since this forum began and will go on till it ends. First off, find out what you want to do and what you want to be. SE Asia can be a very expensive place for that voyage. If you're happy hanging around bars for their SMB happy hour and hitching up with some Samar whrre and if you want to improve your pool skills and develop a liking for karaoke and kim chee, then head to Angeles.
There are countless exceptions to this visa of staring off into an Alzheimer's induced nothingness but, if you do not have your life plan and game sorted, that is what most likely awaits you.There's a lot of brutally honest, and very sound advice in PM's response. Like him, I've spent about half my life overseas, much of it in Africa and SE Asia, and though certain asapects of the scene (price, locations, the Internet) have changed over time, the actors and their characters remain invariate.
Most of the happier long-term expats I've met around the world, have settled into long—term relationships and live relatively "normal" lives, myself included. The bang-a-younger-chick-a day obsession wears off fairly quickly, and as does the accessibility of an endless supply of women with whom you have nothing in common. Sooner or later, as the song goes, "we all need somebody to talk to," and most expats are not exempted. Eventually, most of the expats I know, get their heads out of their asses and out of the bars eventually, and before too much damage has been done, and establish relationships with women who would never be caught dead in such establishments.
GE.
Mr Enternational
09-18-18, 10:20
The don't fall in love with the guy after just a few chats or meets. They fall in love with something they have known a long time: They fall in love with the idea of being in love.To me the weird thing is that when they find out that you have a kid or that you have had a girlfriend before they assume that you were supposed to have married the person. And I'm like bih you have a kid and you have had a boyfriend before but you did not get married to the person. The shit is really confusing.
Wicked Roger
09-18-18, 10:38
As one Filipina said to me about her friend, "M is stupid for love". Aren't we all? At one time or another?And dream that this guy will take them away from the mess and make them (and their) family 'richer' so they can tell their friends (or boast on Facebook) how better their life is now / Known many who say and have done that.
Just one small flaw at times (as is the case with 2 pinays I know in USA) - they think USA is the best / golden land but then don't realise their guy is a hick from Oregon who lives in a trailer park with his parents and has been a one handed typist for years LOL. That gents is a true story and I know the lady and she is utterly miserable.
We all know that many Filipina are wonderful actresses. For sure some of them deserve awards.
Surely to all of them can be playing us though? In the case of the hotel waitress that I am dating at the moment. She has had one long term foreigner BF before. That was a few years ago and since then supposedly not looking for a BF.
Now she says she's committed to me, obviously ready fro a child, and will stay with me forever.
I have no problems getting myself out of this pickle BUT how do they get themselves so twisted up in a guy that they have met just a few times.
Ideas and thoughts?I agree with WC's comment. They are infatuated with the idea of love. It doesn't matter who it is with as long as the money is coming in and affection is present. To me, it's all one big myth. Love and marriage are myths created by women, for women. The man gains nothing from it except maybe steady companionship and initially exciting good sex, but usually wears off in a few years. Maybe someday I will be come a believer, tho.
Soapy Smith
09-18-18, 21:12
Love and marriage are myths created by women, for women. The man gains nothing from it except maybe steady companionship and initially exciting good sex, but usually wears off in a few years. Maybe someday I will be come a believer, tho.This theory plays well here, but it is fundamentally incorrect. Hunting and gathering societies did not have formal marriages. They had common law pairings that worked well as a division of labor. Fidelity was not a great issue. People had sex with others who were not their common law partners, and there were common understandings that clans would take responsibility for the children in the event one or both members of the partnership were killed. This wasn't some communal panacea, it was simply because all hands were needed to help the clan survive.
Marriage came about with the advent of sedentary agriculture and private land ownership. People fenced off some land for the purpose of holding livestock or fencing others out of their cropland. In order to pass off ownership to their children, usually the oldest male child, men needed some means of identifying their own legitimate children. Marriage, marriage certificates, and birth certificates provided an institutional basis for doing so.
Women may be more likely to espouse the virtues of marriage, because as the Philippines illustrates so well, women are left to raise the children after the father runs off to find a new rutting place. But this too is changing. Various studies show that women are more selective in choosing their partners; men will jump anything that moves, especially when the bar is closing after midnight. One of the reasons that women propagate the virtues of marriage is that they have usually been given less latitude to screw around. Boys who sleep around are studs; girls who sleep around are called sluts and harl-ts.
Women did not create marriage as a myth. In fact, in earlier times their duties in marriage were typically laid down by the husband, and that included both in the kitchen and the bedroom. In the states the 19th Amendment gave them the right to vote--131 years after white men were granted voting rights in the original constitution. Women created the myth of marriage? Sure.
Women did not create marriage as a myth. In fact, in earlier times their duties in marriage were typically laid down by the husband, and that included both in the kitchen and the bedroom. OK perhaps I am wrong then. I assume you have some historical, sociological and / or anthropological evidence to back this up?
BrainDrain
09-18-18, 23:47
That gents is a true story and I know the lady and she is utterly miserable.Have to agree with this. A local Filipina I know in the home country married 2 years and now totally demotivated in the marriage. She had been promised a 2nd child but it turns out the guy had already been sniped. So what he promised was impossible. He's 20 years her senior so I think she has consoled herself to establishing herself here and bringing her first son here. Might as well get the the passports and citizen rights. He'll pass and she'll be set for life.
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Various studies show that women are more selective in choosing their partners; men will jump anything that moves, especially when the bar is closing after midnight. One of the reasons that women propagate the virtues of marriage is that they have usually been given less latitude to screw around. Boys who sleep around are studs; girls who sleep around are called sluts and harl-ts.
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We exist to propagate our genes. A man can father many kids and then let the mother take care of them. He has very little invested in spreading his seed around.
Women have a much larger state in child birth. It takes 9 months plus a incredible toll on their bodies and can very often be deadly.
Men only want a women who is likely to bear healthy children. That is why the 20 to 25 year old is generally considered most desirable because she is prime child bearing age. Wide hips and big breasts are desirable because they facilitate child rearing and indicate good overall health. Males showing a propensity to mate with these women had better success in propagating their genes and over the millennia selective breading occurred and that trait is now genetically hard wired into us.
Women want a man who will stick around to help raise the kid. They selected mates who would stick around (as much as they could given the strength imbalance between men and women) and selective breeding occurred. Now the desire to have an exclusive mate is hard wired into the women. They also want a man who will be a good provider that is why displays of strength and wealth attract women.
Men want a woman who is exclusive to them so that they can be sure that they are expending resources raising their genetic offspring. They want to have side pussy to enhance their chances of propagating their genetic material as well since they invest so little in the act.
I believe that a lot of our behaviors are hard wired genetically due to the desire to have children and pass on our genetic material to future generations.
For a fascinating read on the topic see "Warriors and Worriers" by Bension https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00HO6WT3O/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1.
Women want a man who will stick around to help raise the kid. They selected mates who would stick around (as much as they could given the strength imbalance between men and women) and selective breeding occurred. Now the desire to have an exclusive mate is hard wired into the women. They also want a man who will be a good provider that is why displays of strength and wealth attract women.
I don't know if this is covered in the book you linked, but it turns out women also want another man, or two, or three, who will come around to fuck when the provider mate is out doing his work in order to add to a healthy gene pool mix.
You know how we were told many years ago that certain birds mate exclusively for their entire lives and so should humans? A complete myth. In virtually every animal species. Now that we have better long range cameras and refined DNA testing methods, we have found that even those so-called "mate for life" female birds are getting fucked by other birds when the male nest builder and provider mate is away from the tree. Likewise, when we apply those same DNA testing methods to the 100 year old remains of humans, we find that dear old hard working dad was rarely the dad of all the kids in the family portrait. Or two of the eight kids? You notice how much more like dad's best friend or cousin Jethro that one kid in the portrait looks? And that goes as far back in every family tree as DNA testing is possible.
Again, this is something hard wired into the brain of females for the sake of propagating a healthy lineage too, just like the man spreading his seed around while away from home. Females can't rely on just one guy to pass along the best DNA, you know.
However, this pattern throughout the ages of Man and Woman was a lot easier to maintain before all those annoying DNA testing methods were developed. Now we can routinely test to make sure who is the father of every child born. No longer possible to simply marvel at how much like the 19 year old neighbor the latest one looks, shrug it off and just move on. Luckily, along with those new DNA testing methods has come more improved methods of birth control. So the ladies can still fuck the pool boy while we're out to satisfy her deeply entrenched hard wired human species survival need to do so fairly safe in the knowledge that it won't also produce a kid along the way.
I don't know if this is covered in the book you linked, but it turns out women also want another man, or two, or three, who will come around to fuck when the provider mate is out doing his work in order to add to a healthy gene pool mix.
.....Been a while since I read the book so I cannot say if it is in there, but I have read about that as well somewhere. The woman wants kids from another man in case there is some hidden flaw in the man's genetic offerings (or a combination of two regressive genes that means trouble for the offspring later in life) that will hurt her chances of propagating her genetic material.
She wants it to maintain the illusion that the mate's genes are the ones so she has a provider for the other man's kids.
Nature has a way around that. Kids have a stronger tendency to look like the father than the mother. There is no doubt who is the mother but looking like the father makes the man more likely to accept the kid. Over time natural selection means that offspring will look more and more like the father since kids not looking like the mate have a higher chance of being killed in infancy.
Lots of things that appear to be hard wired can be explained by social biology theory. For example kids all go through a stage where they become fussy eaters. It is about the same time that they acquire the ability to eat things on their own and ends about the time that they can be able to differentiate between things that are poisonous and those that are edible. Kids who ate poisonous things in this age range were not able to pass on their genes so again selective breeding means that this is a hard wired trait.
Just about any behaviors that you see across cultures in any species can be attributed to selective breading once you see the possible links. I don't know if this is true or not but I think that the evidence is pretty compelling.
Wicked Roger
09-19-18, 02:44
Have to agree with this. A local Filipina I know in the home country married 2 years and now totally demotivated in the marriage. She had been promised a 2nd child but it turns out the guy had already been sniped. So what he promised was impossible. He's 20 years her senior so I think she has consoled herself to establishing herself here and bringing her first son here. Might as well get the the passports and citizen rights. He'll pass and she'll be set for life.Getting the passport is a key motivation, the citizenship so the lady has options for her, the kids and possibly wider family. She may end up shagging around and having another kid with another guy where she lives (but hopefully has the brains to get the passport / permanent residency first).
Mr Enternational
09-19-18, 03:19
Since the marriage subject is up, this is something interesting I saw today about mail order brides.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kU0KkaCQFhI
Soapy Smith
09-19-18, 06:31
OK perhaps I am wrong then. I assume you have some historical, sociological and / or anthropological evidence to back this up?I confess to cribbing my explanation from this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Dawn-Stray-Modern-Relationships/dp/0061707813/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537333008&sr=1-1&keywords=sex+before+dawn.
In the event the moderator deletes the link, the book's short title is **Sex at Dawn* by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jetha. He has a PhD in psychology from an institution in your neck of the woods, and she is a psychiatrist trained in Portugal (or maybe India). They are married. I think this work is an extension of his doctoral dissertation. They offer lots of references to original sources and to various anthropological studies. Their core argument is that monogamy is not inherent in human nature; rather, humans, like our closest primate relatives, bonobo chimpanzees, are fundamentally polyamorous. Marriage is a human-induced institution, and the onset of sedentary agriculture and private land ownership is what induced the institution. The book has 896 reviews on Amazon, with a mean score of 4. 3 out of 5. Amazon reviews are not synonymous with scientific evidence, but this score suggests that a lot of readers found the book useful.
Much of what KG describes from another source, and the stuff ET is describing, including the bit about genetic hard-wiring, is consistent with what Ryan and Jetha report.
GoodEnough
09-19-18, 06:36
I confess to cribbing my explanation from this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Dawn-Stray-Modern-Relationships/dp/0061707813/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537333008&sr=1-1&keywords=sex+before+dawn.
In the event the moderator deletes the link, the book's short title is **Sex at Dawn* by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jetha. He has a PhD in psychology from an institution in your neck of the woods, and she is a psychiatrist trained in Portugal (or maybe India). They are married. I think this work is an extension of his doctoral dissertation. They offer lots of references to original sources and to various anthropological studies. Their core argument is that monogamy in not inherent in human nature; rather, humans, like our closest primate relatives, bonobo chimpanzees, are fundamentally polyamorous. Marriage is a human-induced institution, and the onset of sedentary agriculture and private land ownership is what induced the institution. The book has 896 reviews on Amazon, with a mean score of 4. 3 out of 5. Amazon reviews are not synonymous with scientific evidence, but this score suggests that a lot of readers found the book useful.
Much of what KG describes from another source is consistent with what Ryan and Jetha report.Sorry I couldn't get your message. I have now cleaned out the clutter.
There are also lots of sociological explanation for marriage as a convention for social control and, once religion had been invented in its various permutations, as a way of sexual / reproductive control as well. There's nothing congenital about any of the explanations and in one way or another the institution was developed by humans and doubtless of a variety of reasons.
GE.
Soapy Smith
09-19-18, 07:02
Been a while since I read the book so I cannot say if it is in there, but I have read about that as well somewhere. The woman wants kids from another man in case there is some hidden flaw in the man's genetic offerings (or a combination of two regressive genes that means trouble for the offspring later in life) that will hurt her chances of propagating her genetic material.
She wants it to maintain the illusion that the mate's genes are the ones so she has a provider for the other man's kids.But if the process is hard-wired, does the woman really "want" kids from the other man for these reasons? Is it a conscious thought process, or just humans acting out their biological urges? Are they really any more aware than female song birds are about why they are going around screwing other males while the "mate for life" is gathering twigs for the nest? When we go around dipping our ends in a variety of honey pots, are we consciously trying to expand the gene pool, or just following the hard-wiring of our libidos? I was clipped nearly 40 years ago, my libido hasn't slipped very much over that time, and I am damn sure not expanding my gene pool.
The monogamy thing, although it has an origin in human institutions, has also been sustained by religious institutions and the social and "moral" web that they weave. Monogamy and its propagation is one of the few justifications for institutional religion to exist. And therefore they have an incentive to promote monogamous marriage. They want children they can reliably socialize, not heathen kids wandering the streets spreading their seed all over the community.
The relaxation that women are feeling about exploring casual sex, as you and ET describe, is evidenced by the reports that women are giving about increasing numbers of sex partners and adulterous affairs. There are some interesting studies in which men and women are asked to report the numbers of sex partners they've had. Then the experimenters tell them in the next stage they will be connected to a lie detector and asked many of the same questions. The second time around, men's reports about sexual partners decrease and women's increase. It seems to me this reflects what the sexes have been taught about the acceptability of sexual experimentation.
So perhaps biology is overpowering the traditional constraints to which women were taught they needed to adhere. Women's capacity for multiple orgasms and shorter refractory time than we men experience suggest they may be potentially more sexually voracious than men. Great stuff, huh?
Soapy Smith
09-19-18, 07:06
Sorry I couldn't get your message. I have now cleaned out the clutter.Most of what I put in my PM is now in my two previous posts.
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So perhaps biology is overpowering the traditional constraints to which women were taught they needed to adhere. Women's capacity for multiple orgasms and shorter refractory time than we men experience suggest they may be potentially more sexually voracious than men. Great stuff, huh?The question is to what degree does nurture, I. E. Cultural restraints and social norms, restrict the nature, the biologically hard wired desires. I think that the answer is it depends on the individual and their desire to fit into their society.
Pinna women like all women enjoy sex, that is nature. , They hesitate to have it with locals because of the possibility of their friends, family and neighbors finding out so will have sex with foreigners. That is nurture and dammed lucky for guys like me. LOL Since I am removed from my culture and the impact of nurture, I can have sex with women young enough to be my granddaughter because the impacts of nurture are much lessened.
GoodEnough
09-19-18, 09:49
That is nurture and dammed lucky for guys like me. LOL Since I am removed from my culture and the impact of nurture, I can have sex with women young enough to be my granddaughter because the impacts of nurture are much lessened.An interesting discussion. Just to add another factor, it may be that Western guys learn, after a while at least, how to give as good as they get. I've been told by some girls that the locals are strictly roll on / roll off, much like the ferries. That can't be much fun for women interesting in exploring their own sexuality.
GE.
I've been told by some girls that the locals are strictly roll on / roll off, much like the ferries. That can't be much fun for women interesting in exploring their own sexuality.
GE.Many of the Board have argued the opposite: that this is why a lot of girls have sidedicks who are fit, young, trike drivers. The ability to pump out multiple short sessions per night is a big plus in an environment where privacy is non existent.
I could certainly see your view being valid where the girl has the ability to explore her own sexuality and satisfaction.
I know I've met both cases: girls that are keen to go all night and others that prefer to wake you up repeatedly for multiple sessions. Then again, maybe they are just telling me what I want to hear😁.
I confess to cribbing my explanation from this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Dawn-Stray-Modern-Relationships/dp/0061707813/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537333008&sr=1-1&keywords=sex+before+dawn.
In the event the moderator deletes the link, the book's short title is **Sex at Dawn* by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jetha. He has a PhD in psychology from an institution in your neck of the woods, and she is a psychiatrist trained in Portugal (or maybe India). They are married. I think this work is an extension of his doctoral dissertation. They offer lots of references to original sources and to various anthropological studies. Their core argument is that monogamy is not inherent in human nature; rather, humans, like our closest primate relatives, bonobo chimpanzees, are fundamentally polyamorous. Marriage is a human-induced institution, and the onset of sedentary agriculture and private land ownership is what induced the institution. The book has 896 reviews on Amazon, with a mean score of 4. 3 out of 5. Amazon reviews are not synonymous with scientific evidence, but this score suggests that a lot of readers found the book useful.
Much of what KG describes from another source, and the stuff ET is describing, including the bit about genetic hard-wiring, is consistent with what Ryan and Jetha report.Thanks, Soapy. I majored in sociology as an undergrad some years ago and find this interesting. As stated, we men are not inclined to monogamy hence the ISG for the sexually adventurous, the deplorable rate of divorce and infidelity for the formerly married, and the generally low level of happiness among the currently married which seems to only decline with time.
Cheers.
I confess to cribbing my explanation from this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Dawn-Stray-Modern-Relationships/dp/0061707813/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537333008&sr=1-1&keywords=sex+before+dawn.
In the event the moderator deletes the link, the book's short title is **Sex at Dawn* by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jetha. He has a PhD in psychology from an institution in your neck of the woods, and she is a psychiatrist trained in Portugal (or maybe India). ......Just finished reading the book. I downloaded it from Amazon and read it on Kindle.
The basic idea is that the standard model of humans being basically monogamous with the economic decision being made on mating is flawed and not supported by the evidence. The standard model is that men look for suitable child bearing women and women look for suitable providers.
The book makes the claim that this model is "Flinstoneized" that is tainted with our post agricultural ideals of the nuclear family and property values. We are viewing prehistoric humans like a "modern Stone Age family". The standard model imposes present day morality on the past as justification of present day morals and actions.
In hunter gathers societies, which make up the majority of human history and evolution, the norm was for more communal groupings. They had no concept of property ownership and all wealth and all hardships were communal. Under this model, a child had multiple care givers so the idea pf paternity was not as important. Sex was used as a means of fostering relationships, community and recreation. In these societies there was no concept of property at all, let alone that women were property, and hence no jealousy or long term monogamous relationships.
Also without property to pass along the parental lineage, there was really no need to definitively establish parentage. Some tribes viewed a child not as the product of one man's sperm but that a child composed of the better qualities of the semen of many men, so a woman would have sex with the best hunter, the best craftsman, the best story teller etc. In the group in the hopes that the child would have qualities of all the "fathers".
While I acknowledge that they are selling an idea and it is human nature to overemphasize what supports them while being dismissive of that that does not, I find that their arguments and evidence is somewhat compelling. It still reflects that the main motive of humans is to propagate their genetic diversity it just does it in a more communal method where the emphasis is the survival and propagation of the group rather than the individual. Since the individuals genetic material is dispersed throughout the group, the death of any one member will not necessarily result in the ending of their genetic line. All children are cared for, thus the communal nature of the group will be the insurance policy of any one individual succumbing to accident or disease, allowing propagation of their genetic material to future generations.
Their model does provide a better explanation for human behaviors; it does not undermine the idea that our desires and how we act had a hard wired component that is filtered through the society and culture that we live in.
It is a good read, well written and entertaining. I recommend anyone interested in evolutionary physiology to read this.
Soapy Smith
09-21-18, 19:54
It still reflects that the main motive of humans is to propagate their genetic diversity it just does it in a more communal method where the emphasis is the survival and propagation of the group rather than the individual. Since the individuals genetic material is dispersed throughout the group, the death of any one member will not necessarily result in the ending of their genetic line. All children are cared for, thus the communal nature of the group will be the insurance policy of any one individual succumbing to accident or disease, allowing propagation of their genetic material to future generations.Referred to by some as the "unselfish gene. " The gene doesn't care if I pass it along or my brother does.
One claim made in the book was that a male would have his sexual preferences fixed at an early stage in life while a woman's preferences would be more fluid throughout her life.
My first sexual encounter was at age 15 with a very slightly built girl. She was Caucasian but had a body shape similar to the nice slim pinas we meet here. She was 4'10". I lost all contact with her after high school but even the last time I saw her she was at 18 still 4'10 slim like a pina. Guess we know why I'm here LOL.
The book got me thinking about her almost 50 years later. I had no idea of her married name but asked Mr Google if he knew where she was. She has a very distinctive first and maiden name. I found an obituary of her mother that listed her with her married name, siblings all checked out so I knew it was her, she still lived in the same town.
This lead to her FB page. She is still 4'10" tall, just she is also 4'10" wide too.
Should have left my memories intact. LOL.
Soapy Smith
09-22-18, 04:31
Just finished reading the book. I downloaded it from Amazon and read it on Kindle.Sounds like it was one of those books "you just can't put down. " With some novels it's because the storyline is so intense that you keep turning pages. With this book it's because the thesis gives you justification for marital infidelity and all your intense desire to root around in as many crevices as possible. Nobody can put down a book that so thoroughly justifies your worst behaviors that the women in your life always condemned.
Sounds like it was one of those books "you just can't put down. " With some novels it's because the storyline is so intense that you keep turning pages. With this book it's because the thesis gives you justification for marital infidelity and all your intense desire to root around in as many crevices as possible. Nobody can put down a book that so thoroughly justifies your worst behaviors that the women in your life always condemned.It's more that I am just a voracious reader. I'll typically read a couple hundred pages in a day.
This is well written, treats a complex topic with humour and is actually a pretty easy read so reading 300 pages was not a big deal for me. (book is just over 400 pages but I skipped the notes and references).
FWIW, I was married for 35 years and never cheated on my wife, not even a HJ in a massage place until we formally split up.
Blanquiceleste
09-22-18, 12:28
Sounds like it was one of those books "you just can't put down. " With some novels it's because the storyline is so intense that you keep turning pages. With this book it's because the thesis gives you justification for marital infidelity and all your intense desire to root around in as many crevices as possible. Nobody can put down a book that so thoroughly justifies your worst behaviors that the women in your life always condemned.In case you do not want spend mongering funds on books.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B35CHq__bQh7aUYtM0xrdW5oYzA/edit
This is well written, treats a complex topic with humour and is actually a pretty easy read so reading 300 pages was not a big deal for me. (book is just over 400 pages but I skipped the notes and references).
I have not read this book yet but I recall the publication of The Naked Ape: A Zoologist's Study of the Human Animal in1967 book by Desmond Morris.
Also a pretty easy read but the key ideas are still being challenged in various forums. It looked at humans as a species and then compared their behaviour to that of other animals.
I am assuming this book is an extension of that thesis.
Soapy Smith
09-23-18, 15:33
I have not read this book yet but I recall the publication of The Naked Ape: A Zoologist's Study of the Human Animal in1967 book by Desmond Morris.
Also a pretty easy read but the key ideas are still being challenged in various forums. It looked at humans as a species and then compared their behaviour to that of other animals.
I am assuming this book is an extension of that thesis.The book shares a lot with Desmond Morris' thesis, but is much more focused on human sexuality. The evidence and argument is based both on the anthropology of "primitive" foraging groups of humans (of which there are apparently a few still in existence in the world), and on the biological study of sex organs, sperm and eggs, and so on.
There is some comparison to other species, largely to show how other species are fundamentally polyamorous. The principal comparison is to bonobo chimps, who unlike the common chimp and gorillas, are polyamorous, with females typically initiating recreational sex openly with a variety of males. In this way the female bonobos seem to control violence in the group. In common chimps, by comparison, sex is principally for mating, dominated by the silver back alpha male, and often the source of violence for dominance among the males. The central thesis of **Sex at Dawn** is that monogamy is not inherent or innate in humans and other animals.
I have read that **Sex at Dawn** has been well received by sexologists, but the reception has been more mixed from anthropologists and primatologists. I believe Desmond Morris is a sociobiologist in the mold of E. O. Wilson. There have been various criticisms of sociobiology, especially that it overemphasizes biology at the expense of social origins of behavior. Daniel Pinker, who has written about the decline of violence in the world (he offers a lot of evidence), suggests that much of the criticism of sociobiology is political and ideological. **Sex at Dawn** is essentially sociobiology. I assume a similar ideological criticism is being mounted against it: that it can be interpreted as justifying infidelity and casual sex.
The book shares a lot with Desmond Morris' thesis .....Actually it is the opposite. Sex at Dawn opposes the standard evolutionary physiology model that human pair bonding is innate. This is exactly what Naked Ape proposes.
For example, Morris wrote that the intense human pair bond evolved so that men who were out hunting could trust that their mates back home were not having sex with other men,:
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Ape.
However Sex at Dawn Postulates "In opposition to what the authors see as the "standard narrative" of human sexual evolution, they contend that having multiple sexual partners was common and accepted in the environment of evolutionary adaptedness. Mobile self-contained groups of hunter gatherers are posited as the human norm before agriculture led to high population density. According to the authors, before agriculture, sex was relatively promiscuous, and paternity was not a concern, in a similar way to the mating system of Bonobos. According to the book, sexual interactions strengthened the bond of trust in the groups; far from causing jealousy, social equilibrium and reciprocal obligation was strengthened by playful sexual interactions. ".
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_at_Dawn.
The only real commonality between the two is that they both state that our desires are genetically hard wired and supported by physical manifestations caused by genetic selection over evolutionary time frames.
Sex at Dawn refers to a process that they call "Flinstonization" That is projecting our current cultural adaption of pair bonding to prehistoric humans who were pre agricultural and had no concept of property, parenthood and genetic lineage I. E. Making the prehistoric humans the modern stone age family. They postulate that the rise of agricultural societies made humans develop a concept of property (including women as property that needed to be protected from other males) and that this made parentage important so that property could be passed to offspring.
Blanquiceleste
09-24-18, 01:18
Meanwhile in other news, I have the Filipina from Cebu who wrote to me this morning. An excerpt.
Girl: Good morning honey. I go province on 05 November.
Me: Great. But that is quite some time away. How you make plan so early?
Girl: Not much time. Only 36 days left.
Me: Oh! OK. Good luck.
Now go figure how 24 Sep to 05 Nov is only 36 days.
GoodEnough
09-24-18, 04:32
Actually it is the opposite. Sex at Dawn opposes the standard evolutionary physiology model that human pair bonding is innate. This is exactly what Naked Ape proposes.
For example, Morris wrote that the intense human pair bond evolved so that men who were out hunting could trust that their mates back home were not having sex with other men,:
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Ape.
However Sex at Dawn Postulates "In opposition to what the authors see as the "standard narrative" of human sexual evolution, they contend that having multiple sexual partners was common and accepted in the environment of evolutionary adaptedness. Mobile self-contained groups of hunter gatherers are posited as the human norm before agriculture led to high population density. According to the authors, before agriculture, sex was relatively promiscuous, and paternity was not a concern, in a similar way to the mating system of Bonobos. According to the book, sexual interactions strengthened the bond of trust in the groups; far from causing jealousy, social equilibrium and reciprocal obligation was strengthened by playful sexual interactions. ".
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_at_Dawn.
The only real commonality between the two is that they both state that our desires are genetically hard wired and supported by physical manifestations caused by genetic selection over evolutionary time frames.
Sex at Dawn refers to a process that they call "Flinstonization" That is projecting our current cultural adaption of pair bonding to prehistoric humans who were pre agricultural and had no concept of property, parenthood and genetic lineage I. E. Making the prehistoric humans the modern stone age family. They postulate that the rise of agricultural societies made humans develop a concept of property (including women as property that needed to be protected from other males) and that this made parentage important so that property could be passed to offspring.I got the book yesterday and I'm about at the halfway point. It does an excellent job refuting the common wisdom of inherent pair bonding, and on pointing out the confirmation bias underlying a substantial body of anthropological research. Maybe the reason it's receiving so much attention on this forum is that it provides a solid rationale for all of us to indulge in the behaviors that we enjoy.
I do like the discursive, irreverent style and the quick summaries of the gist of prior research, though I think the book's overall point could have been made more succinctly. Nonetheless, it's a fun, easy read.
GE.
WiseHustler
09-24-18, 04:50
I got the book yesterday and I'm about at the halfway point. It does an excellent job refuting the common wisdom of inherent pair bonding, and on pointing out the confirmation bias underlying a substantial body of anthropological research. Maybe the reason it's receiving so much attention on this forum is that it provides a solid rationale for all of us to indulge in the behaviors that we enjoy.
I do like the discursive, irreverent style and the quick summaries of the gist of prior research, though I think the book's overall point could have been made more succinctly. Nonetheless, it's a fun, easy read.
GE.The concept of "Mate Guarding" also started with males not trusting with females' hypergamy (dual sexual strategy of Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks) while they were out gathering food or provisioning for shelter / other needs as they wanted to be sure if the child was theirs (and not someone else's). More details in the book series of 'Rational Male' for those interested.
Soapy Smith
09-24-18, 05:01
The only real commonality between the two is that they both state that our desires are genetically hard wired and supported by physical manifestations caused by genetic selection over evolutionary time frames.And this is sociobiology. Notice that I said they "share a lot." The core of sociobiology is that the social webs that humans create are driven by their biology. Both these books are fundamentally sociobiological, although they disagree about the origins of monogamy. Morris' contention that monogamy permitted hunters to trust leaving their mates behind always seemed to me like a speculative leap of faith. How, after all, without reliable means of genetic testing, was the hunter to detect or enforce his mate's fidelity? How hard would it have been to sneak out in the woods and get it on with the mate of your neighbor who will be gone hunting for a day or more? The thesis in **Sex at Dawn** makes more sense to me. And maybe I want to believe it, for the reasons GE suggests.
I think most people treat Morris as a sociobiologist, but the **Naked Ape** may be more of a 50 year old splash that was long on speculation and short on evidence. It's possible **Sex at Dawn** will be viewed this way in the future.
I started to write some stuff about the more prominent sociobiologist, E. O. Wilson, and then remembered that this a forum about sex with Filipinas.
Soapy Smith
09-24-18, 05:09
I do like the discursive, irreverent style and the quick summaries of the gist of prior research, though I think the book's overall point could have been made more succinctly. GE.It was an extension of Ryan's doctoral dissertation, so of course it wanders around. That's how those guys are. People get paid to wander around like that.
GoodEnough
09-24-18, 08:57
It was an extension of Ryan's doctoral dissertation, so of course it wanders around. That's how those guys are. People get paid to wander around like that.I know. I used to get paid to wander around like that. Still, it's an interesting thesis and since it's consistent with my own confirmation bias, I accept it pretty readily. I find it interesting (and somewhat depressing) to think of how oppressive social strictures can force post-industrial socieities into collective cognitive dissonance. Virtually all of our socio-cultural standards pertaining to sexuality and marriage appear to be at odds with our biological imperatives. No wonder Americans are so screwed up about sex.
GE.
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Now go figure how 24 Sep to 05 Nov is only 36 days.Sundays and holidays off? That's 6 weeks and a day or 43 days by the regular calendar. Subtract All Saints Day and 6 Sundays and you get 36 days to go.
QED LOL.
The concept of "Mate Guarding" also started with males not trusting with females' hypergamy (dual sexual strategy of Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks) while they were out gathering food or provisioning for shelter / other needs as they wanted to be sure if the child was theirs (and not someone else's). More details in the book series of 'Rational Male' for those interested.According to Sex at Dawn, in a hunter gather society where everything was shared, parentage was irrelevant because parentage only became relevant with the agricultural society and the concept of property to be inherited.
My biggest complaint with Sex at Dawn is that they quickly discount all evolutionary changes since the dawn of the agricultural age. They rather dismissively say that 20,000 years since agriculture is simply too short to be relevant. However humans can evolve quicker than that. I once read an estimate that it would be between 5,000 and 10,000 years for a population to achieve the "correct" skin colour for the environment if they moved from the north to the equator or the other way around. There is evidence that agriculture existed 23,000 years ago, not 20 k as they state. Small difference but it does show that they may have cherry picked their data a little. Of course agriculture developed over a long time, it did not spring up fuly in a short period of time.
Blanquiceleste
09-24-18, 15:01
Sundays and holidays off? That's 6 weeks and a day or 43 days by the regular calendar. Subtract All Saints Day and 6 Sundays and you get 36 days to go.
QED LOL.Dang! This girl is wiser than I thought. Maybe I should take some math lessons from her next time.
You're on the right track. I'm married to a girl 25 years younger than me. Wonderful caring relationship and great sex but I still have a roving eye on my international business trips.
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My advice to you is to enjoy your young friend to the max. Make sure your eyes are wide open as they now seem to be. There will / may come a time when she asks for big money. Be ready to amicably walk away. In your case you should probably insulate her from info about your wife and family. In my case my wife knows I have relationships overseas.
Enjoy!Nice Guy and others for that matter.
Can you elaborate on the statement, "In my case my wife knows I have relationships overseas. "? How did you pull this off? This seems like the best of both worlds. A wife as home base and a hot new thing for a little excursion. I envy your situation. Looking for details and / or coaching here.
- Hootas.
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Can you elaborate on the statement, "In my case my wife knows I have relationships overseas. "? How did you pull this off? This seems like the best of both worlds. A wife as home base and a hot new thing for a little excursion........I have to ask. What is the wife doing while hubby is on these excursions?
Mr Enternational
09-27-18, 14:49
Nice Guy and others for that matter.
Can you elaborate on the statement, "In my case my wife knows I have relationships overseas. "? How did you pull this off? This seems like the best of both worlds. A wife as home base and a hot new thing for a little excursion. I envy your situation. Looking for details and / or coaching here.
- Hootas.There is nothing to pull off. It is called honesty. I have been messing with this chick that works at the mall in Pattaya for about 1 year. Last week she tells me she is going out for her friend's birthday. While she is partying, she sent me a picture of her and her friend. The friend looked pretty familiar, but I could not be sure. So I asked if the friend worked with her. She said no and that she works in massage.
So then I was pretty sure it was a chick that I started messing with last month. Plus I thought remembered her telling me something about her birthday. So when the first chick got home she sent me a message saying she was drunk. I asked her if Ploy was drunk too. She said how you know her name. I said because I know her.
Then she started asking questions like if I fucked her. I told her that she was asking too many questions then I just told her yes. She said the girl was a good friend of hers and they have known each other 10 years. I said well keep it in the family I guess. She said she was sad but not angry and as long as I was happy then it was fine with her.
She also said that the friend told her we had not been together. I told her I did not know why she would lie and told her exactly how I met her on Tinder and went to her shop to get a massage and picked her up after work and she stayed with me.
Ploy was a little different. She tried to play that role like she was hurt. What she didn't know was that the other girl had already inadvertently told me she had a boyfriend. (While the first girl was at the disco she said that her friend went home because her boyfriend called.) So she did not have a leg to stand on. She said that she would not see me again and that she was sorry that she did her boyfriend wrong. I told her that she would see me again and that her friend was fine with it. I knew that if she really did not want to see me again then she would not have kept talking to me.
My brother said that he would not have told her. I told him that I am a player. The day that I starr being scared of losing a chick will probably be the day that I start losing them.
Then there is my new chick in Manila that tried to tie me down. I just had to explain it to her (last screen shot). That made all the difference in the world. So just stop being full of shit and be honest with people for a change. (I guess it helps to have a little game too!) The results may surprise you.
Mr Enternational
09-27-18, 15:03
I have to ask. What is the wife doing while hubby is on these excursions?Why does it matter what the wife is doing? As long as she is meeting her responsibilities in the relationship then who cares? One thing I would never do is ask a woman to do something that I would not do myself (well besides anal maybe.) If you can give it, then you have to be just as willing to take it (no pun intended).
When I find out a chick broke up with her man because he was cheating I like to ask a few questions. Did he stop paying the bills? Did he stop doing his chores? Did he stop doing his responsibilities with the family? If the answer is yes to any of those then she needed to leave him. If the answer is no to any of them then I tell her she is a dumb bih for breaking up just because he stuck his dick into another hole. So you were willing to lose all the other shit that made you happy and comfortable because of your significant other fucked someone else? People are stupid sometimes.
A couple days ago, a female coworker was saying she went through her fiance's phone to find out if he was cheating. She said they had broken up for a while before because she saw he was writing messages to another chick. I told her if she was looking for something then she will find it. And that cheating is the glue that holds relationships together. You gotta get out there every now and then to see how fucked up things are in order to know how good you have it at home.
I am returning to Philippines in about 40 days for another month are&are so I have been chatting with some girls on DIA. Actually I have a list I call my harem that is so long with girls who want to sleep with me (most for free) I could not get thru them all if I spent 6 months there. Ages 20 to 48 (I have a gift with words I guess). I have been surprised by three of them that want me to impregnate them because they want a baby with a foreigner daddy. I have been snipped (vasectomy) but one I was with on my last trip in August claims she is 3 weeks late, I just really doubt it but I know sometimes it happens although very rare. Probably lying to keep me on a hook or so she thinks. My selfish thought is to offer my non existent sperm to them as an act of kindness. However my big head is saying don't do it because if they get pregnant by another guy and try to pin it on me I will have a world of problems. What say you guys?
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Then there is my new chick in Manila that tried to tie me down. I just had to explain it to her (last screen shot). That made all the difference in the world. So just stop being full of shit and be honest with people for a change. (I guess it helps to have a little game too!) The results may surprise you.My regulars know that there are other regulars that visit, they see the signs and I tell them directly that I will not be exclusive to them. I also tell them that they have two choices in the matter, accept it or not. If they accept it I don't want to hear any issues or drama about it. If they don't accept it then good bye.
What I found is that it makes them try a lot harder.
Honesty is the best policy. The old cliche. You suggest being a "sperm donor" to them, - who is "them"? Please don't treat other people badly just because one gal treated you badly.
As for a gal who is most likely trying to scam you, I recommend silence or calculated ignorance. Don't let her know your thought process because she will just refine her technique for the next sperm donor.
I once had a trophy shag. But she'd just got off the rag, still some spotting. She was gorgeous and I was smitten. I met the whole family. When I was back in X-land, she suggested pregnancy and I was doubtful. When I ignored her she tried the no electricity because no money tactic. She was pretty shallow, but truly gorgeous.
She eventually married a westerner, had a kid (not mine), and I hope the guy is okay.
I am returning to Philippines in about 40 days for another month are&are so I have been chatting with some girls on DIA. Actually I have a list I call my harem that is so long with girls who want to sleep with me (most for free) I could not get thru them all if I spent 6 months there. Ages 20 to 48 (I have a gift with words I guess). I have been surprised by three of them that want me to impregnate them because they want a baby with a foreigner daddy. I have been snipped (vasectomy) but one I was with on my last trip in August claims she is 3 weeks late, I just really doubt it but I know sometimes it happens although very rare. Probably lying to keep me on a hook or so she thinks. My selfish thought is to offer my non existent sperm to them as an act of kindness. However my big head is saying don't do it because if they get pregnant by another guy and try to pin it on me I will have a world of problems. What say you guys?
My regulars regularly recommend new ones to me.
Mr Enternational
09-28-18, 17:47
My regulars regularly recommend new ones to me.I get that, but the chicks that I was discussing are of the non-paid variety.
Mr Enternational
09-28-18, 18:09
I have been snipped (vasectomy) but one I was with on my last trip in August claims she is 3 weeks late, I just really doubt it but I know sometimes it happens although very rare. Probably lying to keep me on a hook or so she thinks. My selfish thought is to offer my non existent sperm to them as an act of kindness. However my big head is saying don't do it because if they get pregnant by another guy and try to pin it on me I will have a world of problems. What say you guys?Dude 90% of the chicks that I fuck want to have a baby. I am guessing the 3 that told you volunteered the information and you did not ask. In my case I tell them that I want them to have my baby and they all say ok.
I am just selling wolf tickets though. I had a vesectomy a few years ago. Since then 4 Dominicans and 1 Thai have claimed that I got them pregnant. The first Dominican chick (paid) had me really believing it. She had papers from the doctor, the dates coincided, and her belly and tits were getting bigger on the pictures that she sent me. This chick was 25 and had no kids. I got one of those sperm tests to make sure I was still shooting blanks. And I was. I wanted to play along until the baby came, but I got so tired of this chick begging me for shit everyday that I just let the cat out of the bag. She cursed me and said she never wanted to talk to me again. I saw on facebook that she has since had a little girl. Who knows who the real daddy could be.
Another Domincan chick (paid) that I mess with regularly had papers from the doctor that she was pregnant then claimed she lost the baby.
Third Dominican chick (unpaid) that I mess with regularly said she was pregnant. When she realized I was not going to send abortion money she claimed to have drank some abortion tea!
Fourth Dominican chick (unpaid) that I mess with regularly claimed she was pregnant and sent a picture of a positive pregnancy test that anyone can pull up from a google search.
Thai chick (paid) claimed to be pregnant and wanted me to take care of her and the baby. I told her sure I would when the baby gets here. She has not looked any bigger since May when she told me she was pregnant. I think she is bipolar.
I have never had a Pinay claim to be pregnant from me. I figure the chicks that claim to be pregnant arr mostly looking for "abortion money". I tell them to have the baby and I will take care of it when it comes. Soon after that they miraculously have miscarriages and shit.
Soapy Smith
09-29-18, 19:14
Dude 90% of the chicks that I fuck want to have a baby. You sure do spend a lot of time fending off false pregnancy claims. Do you have a lot of slack time to deal with these issues? Do you think you might want to revisit the thought processes in the way you choose sex partners?
Mr Enternational
09-29-18, 19:42
You sure do spend a lot of time fending off false pregnancy claims. Do you have a lot of slack time to deal with these issues? Do you think you might want to revisit the thought processes in the way you choose sex partners?But if you paid attention all but one happened in the Dominican Repulic. There they do not ask for money for a new roof or say something happened to the buffalo. They either say they are pregnant hoping you will send abortion money or send you a picture of an IV in someone's arm saying they were in an accident, sick, or whatever in order to extract money from a foreigner. Then there is always the one about the kids they had with another guy needing things for school.
But if you paid attention all but one happened in the Dominican Repulic. There they do not ask for money for a new roof or say something happened to the buffalo. They either say they are pregnant hoping you will send abortion money or send you a picture of an IV in someone's arm saying they were in an accident, sick, or whatever in order to extract money from a foreigner. Then there is always the one about the kids they had with another guy needing things for school.My buddy had a girl send him a photo saying she was in the hospital because of vaginal issues related to him having sex with her. No face shown in photo of the lady in the hospital bed but the foot in the photo only had 4 toes. He compared it to photo's he took of her showing all toes intact.
You sure do spend a lot of time fending off false pregnancy claims. Do you have a lot of slack time to deal with these issues? Do you think you might want to revisit the thought processes in the way you choose sex partners?Come on, Soapy. Geez. This is ISG not church.
BrainDrain
09-29-18, 22:12
......I have a gift with words I guessOh really? So all of the other people I see with girls ranging from 18-50 also have these gifts?
Please remember you have a gift of birthright and get paid in USD. These are much more powerful than words. .
But if you paid attention all but one happened in the Dominican Repulic. There they do not ask for money for a new roof or say something happened to the buffalo. They either say they are pregnant hoping you will send abortion money or send you a picture of an IV in someone's arm saying they were in an accident, sick, or whatever in order to extract money from a foreigner. Then there is always the one about the kids they had with another guy needing things for school.My ex GF in the DR is dying of cancer. Has been asking for some cash every other week for emergency medical treatment.
Pictures of IV's in arms, pictures of hospitals, pictures of her kid etc.
Last year she had dengue fever. Same pictures LOL.
Soapy Smith
09-30-18, 01:13
Last year she had dengue fever. Same pictures LOL.Or maybe she has a bunch of used hospital equipment lying around. Very entrepreneurial, don't you think?
WestCoast1
09-30-18, 07:42
Come on, Soapy. Geez. This is ISG not church.
You sure do spend a lot of time fending off false pregnancy claims. Do you have a lot of slack time to deal with these issues? Do you think you might want to revisit the thought processes in the way you choose sex partners?Unfortunately I also have had to fend off more than one false pregnancy claim. In every instance (in several countries, including more than once in Phils) the girl was pregnant and she knew there were multiple male partners (forcefully denying it all along, saying I was the only one). Just as STD's are a possible downside to the game, so are surprise pregnancies from a boyfriend other than myself, which I get the blame (responsibility?) for.
Wicked Roger
09-30-18, 11:34
Unfortunately I also have had to fend off more than one false pregnancy claim. In every instance (in several countries, including more than once in Phils) the girl was pregnant and she knew there were multiple male partners (forcefully denying it all along, saying I was the only one). Just as STD's are a possible downside to the game, so are surprise pregnancies from a boyfriend other than myself, which I get the blame (responsibility?) for.I will join this club also Westie.
Had one with whom I had a long chat asking her about the pregnancy. She claimed was me and sent me a copy of the 'proof' - a hand written note not on hospital letter head etc. When questioned I get another with some letterhead but the hand writing was different and the hostile was not real LOL.
In the end her 'doctor' called me to say she was pregnant, I was the father etc. When I asked him how he knew he said because she had told him. S o then I said OK lets DNA test (using my good friend Andre in Cebu) and suddenly it all went quiet and 3 days later she said sorry.
Another was when I was called out on being the daddy and she realized could not have been me as I was not in the country when she claimed the deed took place LOL.
Not the first and won't be the last am sure but then when there is heavy rain they claim a typhoon. One said house destroyed, family desperate etc, Sadly she lived in the south and the typhoon was North Luzon. But am sure some suckers out there LOL.
Soapy Smith
09-30-18, 16:27
Come on, Soapy. Geez. This is ISG not church.What an ignorant thing to say. I'm an agnostic, and this has nothing to do with church. Do you think we men are so unobservant or unreflective around women--regardless whether it's in a church or in an Angeles bar--that we're incapable of sizing up women's intentions? Do you think women hold all the cards? Yes, in the places where we prowl, there are dishonest women who do not use contraception, but does that characterize all of them? And do you think men's big heads are incapable of controlling their little heads? I have more respect for men's capabilities than that.
KG acknowledged a false pregnancy claim, and WC acknowledges "more than one," but Mr. E reports four Dominicans and one Thai. Isn't there some point at which men can question each other's judgment? Or do we just leave it to women to kick us in the head when we behave stupidly? And at what point should a man wake up and say, "hey, five false pregnancy claims, why am I spending my time doing this? I wonder if there's something else I could be doing as I think about the women I'm meeting"?
It's interesting that we have lots of reports of false pregnancies but few if any acknowledgements by guys who believe they did get the girl pregnant. In the years I have been active on the forum I recall only one, a Norwegian guy who reported trying to support the girl and the child financially. And then he fell off the face of the earth.
BrainDrain
10-01-18, 05:07
Well on the topic of pregnancy claims I had one from a girl I met earlier this year, she is back in her home country now (non-Filipino). She had a period in the few days after I had sex with her. Rather than explain how nature works, it was easier to just cut ties with her and I changed my phone number.
Wicked Roger
10-01-18, 08:46
It's interesting that we have lots of reports of false pregnancies but few if any acknowledgements by guys who believe they did get the girl pregnant. In the years I have been active on the forum I recall only one, a Norwegian guy who reported trying to support the girl and the child financially. And then he fell off the face of the earth.I know of many girls made pregnant by westerner who ran away, claimed was not theirs and blocked all contact via social media and changed telephone numbers DG and I know one who was put like that by an Italian Aussie man who quickly cut off this girl and left her stranded.
Plenty more I know like this.
Less are those who own up and support. Even even fewer are those who still take on the child knowing is not his so the kid has a western passport and some chance in life (I know 2 mongers who did this).
KG acknowledged a false pregnancy claim, and WC acknowledges "more than one," but Mr. E reports four Dominicans and one Thai. Isn't there some point at which men can question each other's judgment? I guess it also depends on how much you monger. Mr. E seems to be mongering full time all over the world, fucking girls almost every day. So chances are high that he's getting more pregnancy claims than the average monger.
Personally I've had only a few pregnancy claims in 15 years of mongering. Last year a semi pro in Manilla claimed she was 2 months pregnant from me. She sent me some pictures of her slightly swollen belly, so slightly that I could hardly tell if she was really pregnant, and a picture of a positive pregnancy test that she could have downloaded anywhere from the internet. Lo and behold one month later she had a miscarriage LOL. She probably wanted me to send money for the miscarriage but before she even asked I already told her I wouldn't give her a dime. She was pretty pissed LOL.
And a few years ago a girl in Pattaya wanted to know if I had a vasectomy. I said no and asked her why she wanted to know. She told me her menstruation was late. But one week later she texted me that her menstruation had come, so this girl was honest and not trying to fool me. (Yes, they exist.)
WestCoast1
10-01-18, 15:29
It's interesting that we have lots of reports of false pregnancies but few if any acknowledgements by guys who believe they did get the girl pregnant. In the years I have been active on the forum I recall only one, a Norwegian guy who reported trying to support the girl and the child financially. And then he fell off the face of the earth.Its not possible that I can get a girl preggers. When she accuses me of being the daddy, she is not only wrong, she is lying when I ask if she has been with another guy and she says no (every instance).
I have been surprised by three of them that want me to impregnate them because they want a baby with a foreigner daddy. I have been snipped (vasectomy) but one I was with on my last trip in August claims she is 3 weeks late, I just really doubt it but I know sometimes it happens although very rare. Probably lying to keep me on a hook or so she thinks. My selfish thought is to offer my non existent sperm to them as an act of kindness. The girl who told me she was three weeks late just reported to me she has now gotten her period, I told her I had no doubt she would unless she was fucking other men. She got angry and said no other, only love you. I said okay, I will do you again. She said Thank you sir. What else can I do but oblige, she is very open minded to me. I am taking Mr E advice and plan to offer stud service to all who ask. What a great country.
Chocha Monger
10-01-18, 23:20
Its not possible that I can get a girl preggers. When she accuses me of being the daddy, she is not only wrong, she is lying when I ask if she has been with another guy and she says no (every instance).Maybe, the girls think you will be flattered that they credited you with the breeding. In the Trobriand Islands, girls believe that pregnancies are the result of the seed of many men combining inside the pussy to form a baby. Therefore, a baby has many daddies. If you cream pie them, you contributed part of that baby, and you are a baby daddy out of many baby daddies contributing support.
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KG acknowledged a false pregnancy claim, ......I for one have had the Sunkist operation, Seedless but still juicy.
I was asked by a girl back home if I was sure, as she was pregnant but had only been with me and a guy her age. I assured her that I was still safe but was retested to be sure. (She came over and gave me a "hand" taking the sample LOL).
WestCoast1
10-02-18, 04:57
If you cream pie them, you contributed part of that baby, and you are a baby daddy out of many baby daddies contributing support.Love it! Pero, how does that play out in Family Court when determining paternity for child support? Hahaha
Love it! Pero, how does that play out in Family Court when determining paternity for child support? HahahaMajority of the countries there is no paternity questions and certainly no child support for unmarried girls. The family however poor they are help raise the child. Nobody goes to the court because courts are notoriously slow and besides there is no mechanism to enforce the ruling. If the girl has no means to raise the child boys parents are happy to take the child away from her. More and more there are single mothers everywhere somehow raising their children. Not all girls prostitute to earn money. Many have jobs irrespective of low pay.
PedroMorales
10-06-18, 11:18
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6246229/Father-75-loses-multi-million-court-battle-daughter.html
Here is a nice story. Fat cat City (Indian) lawyer hires Pinay baby sitter. Baby sitter immediately gets into the scratcher with Indian grand pa and wins the jackpot. Pinay squaw seals contract with two bambinos. Fat cat lawyer loses.
Of course, Pinays prefer penniless white guys. Literally, in your dreams.
Chocha Monger
10-07-18, 00:58
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6246229/Father-75-loses-multi-million-court-battle-daughter.html
Here is a nice story. Fat cat City (Indian) lawyer hires Pinay baby sitter. Baby sitter immediately gets into the scratcher with Indian grand pa and wins the jackpot. Pinay squaw seals contract with two bambinos. Fat cat lawyer loses.
Of course, Pinays prefer penniless white guys. Literally, in your dreams.The Indian daughter treated Gramps very harshly. Unfortunately, harshness is the only treatment for his foolishness after he stuck his 75-year-old leathery pole into that 28-year-old Pinay nanny's money hole. Had she not cut off his access to her bank account and assets, he would have fucked it all away!
BrainDrain
10-07-18, 04:55
Of course, Pinays prefer penniless white guys. Literally, in your dreams.Thanks for the share PM. These type of stories are good for all of us. Filipino will have to root a lot of us old guys in the hope that they strike it lucky.
The more that the overseas happily married Filipino post on their timelines about their success with foreigners the more the in-country girls will want to take a spin with us.
BD.
Anyone have any non-conventional strategies that they have tried either successfully or unsuccessfully?
By non-conventional I mean not the dating sites, WeChat, or bar fining or the known mall pick up sports for FL.
A few years ago there were still some here advising having business cards printer with name and number on them, not much on this approach the last while except for some saying they have not had any success with this approach recently.
I have put some ads in Craigslist. Looking for maids with benefits only successes were not the best looking or slimmer of the local beauties. Looking for a private dancer never got a nibble and even an offer of full scholarship support never got past initial inquiries.
When I first got here last year I had a couple of successes with some shop girls and a bank teller but since then not even a hint of any real interest from any of them.
I had thought of volunteering at a local university as a mentor, helping with English writing skills, perhaps making a presentation or conducting a seminar or two but after thinking about it and reading the discussion about the dangers of being in a position of perceived power over these girls have abandoned that idea. There is also a danger that volunteering can be considered work, especially if you are doing something that a local could be hired for and without a work permit that would be deportation.
I am thinking about taking a couple university courses, but from most of the school sites I have read it appears that the typical university student is full time in a course leading to a degree, nothing so far on occasional students not seeking a degree like most universities back home offer.
Of course these non-conventional strategies depend in large part on what you are looking for. Personally I want girls that I can have real discussions with and share some other activities and interests with. I want regulars who are non-pros.
Anyone have any non-conventional strategies that they have tried either successfully or unsuccessfully?
Of course these non-conventional strategies depend in large part on what you are looking for. Personally I want girls that I can have real discussions with and share some other activities and interests with. I want regulars who are non-pros.Clubs. Forget about targeting girls but concentrate on your interests to find someone similar. Are you a tennis player? Photographer? Gym Junkie? Amateur Chef? Join a group.
You will meet others with similar interests and have conversation points. She will have enough money to buy the required equipment and club membership so money won't be her only aim.
Just go with the flow and don't over plan things. My best times (hookups and longer) have all been unscheduled and happened by being around the right people at the right time.
Enjoy.
Anyone have any non-conventional strategies that they have tried either successfully or unsuccessfully?
.P.S. Did you see my earlier post about having non sexual partners? I realise it goes against this intent of the board and sounds crazy from outsiders but living in Asia is the opposite of suburbia. In Asia sex is on tap and after a while guys start looking for real company. It doesn't surprise me that after a couple of years of residency, you have come to the stage where endless streams of 20 somethings is wearing thin.
Please take this as constructive. I'm not making any judgements. Just recognizing that living in Asia and the West are totally different. Something that holiday makers may not realise.
Cheers, G.
Kabul,
Is it common in Manila to also keep a small stable of "very good" girls simply for their conversation and companionship skills?
When I lived elsewhere in Asia, copious great sex was so redily available that getting laid was sometimes not the primary aim of a date. We foreign residents would have a couple of contacts that we would date just for their companionship. These girls were generally stunningly beautiful, very well educated, had good jobs and their own money. They could hold conversation with anyone who entered the room on pretty much any topic. No money ever changed hands and it was always clear that the night was not going to end with a quicky back at the hotel.
Put simply they were fabulous company and that was why went out with them.
Pahllus Maximus
10-27-18, 02:43
Oldest trick around other the sick water buffalo and "me love you long time" (till tomorrow). Catch and release only.
Pahllus Maximus
10-27-18, 02:49
Funny how Thailand has near daily reports of westerners who "fell" out of a window. You can get lonely after omnipresent sex and massage, we need more emotional and intellectual support than that (plus cultural cues) and if not, you have other serious issues.
The best way would be easy visas to the west for SEA girls to provide 90 day "home care" to the elderly and horny. That however is opposed by the pussy union and guys sensibly giving up on ageing western white cows.
P.S. Did you see my earlier post about having non sexual partners? I realise it goes against this intent of the board and sounds crazy from outsiders but living in Asia is the opposite of suburbia. In Asia sex is on tap and after a while guys start looking for real company. It doesn't surprise me that after a couple of years of residency, you have come to the stage where endless streams of 20 somethings is wearing thin.
I have been posting at regular intervals about things you need to factor in to any decisions to live here (and I do this as a long time resident in the Philippines who owns his own condo in an up-market area of Manila).
I have managed to stay sane and comfortable here for almost 23 years now because I have work, I regularly travel to other countries including back to Australia for various short periods, and I have many interests outside of mongering.
My posts have cautioned strongly AGAINST using pussy availability as a criterion for deciding to live in the Philippines. You must have other reasons or you will go crazy.
As an aside, I have just completed an assignment that has taken me to Fiji, Tonga and Samoa and I am blown away by the wonderful lifestyle being enjoyed by expats in the Pacific. Fantastic climate, fresh fruit and vegs, and that most luxurious feature of all: fresh air (something that is in short supply in Manila and most big cities in SE Asia).
Notice that I left out the "pussy factor" since that should NOT be on a potential retiree's list.
Chocha Monger
10-27-18, 05:00
Funny how Thailand has near daily reports of westerners who "fell" out of a window. You can get lonely after omnipresent sex and massage, we need more emotional and intellectual support than that (plus cultural cues) and if not, you have other serious issues.Most of the "falling men" in Land of the Vertical Smiles arrived there with serious mental health issues like chronic depression and suicidal idealizations. They were attempting, unsuccessfully, to treat their insanity with a constant overdose of cheap booze and exotic pussy. In the end, the madness won and sent them off the edge.
Other arrive in LOS terminally ill or with insufficient funds to live out the remainder of their old age in the West. Their plan is simple. Fuck as much exotic pussy and drink as much booze as their meager lifesaving allow. Once the funds are finished, they make their descent from heaven like falling stars.
They leave the world on the own terms in a spectacular fashion after enjoying the pleasures of the flesh one final time. As far as they are concerned, it beats going broke and exiting stage left in the West. Lift your glass and pour out a libation to speed those brave mongers on their way.
My posts have cautioned strongly AGAINST using pussy availability as a criterion for deciding to live in the Philippines. You must have other reasons or you will go crazy.
As an aside, I have just completed an assignment that has taken me to Fiji, Tonga and Samoa and I am blown away by the wonderful lifestyle being enjoyed by expats in the Pacific. Fantastic climate, fresh fruit and vegs, and that most luxurious feature of all: fresh air (something that is in short supply in Manila and most big cities in SE Asia).
Notice that I left out the "pussy factor" since that should NOT be on a potential retiree's list.Subtract the brown exotic pussy availability and affordability, and you take away all that the Philippines has to offer the elderly Western pensioner. Gramps is not relocating to the Philippines to enjoy the hot weather, polluted air, contaminated water, dilapidated infrastructure, corruption, crime, and substandard healthcare. He is not planning to start a second career either, as that would invite trouble. He is there for the pussy period!
If that is depressing, just think about the sad life of the average old man in the USA where society worships youth, banishes the elderly from the workplace and ignores them. After the age of 59 years, American men cannot get a pretty girl to touch them outside of a doctor's office or hospital unless they pay huge sums of cash. Trying to make friendly conversation with women under 35-years old will likely result in a reputation for being creepy, gross, or a dirty old man.
There are few things in life that are sadder than an elderly Western retiree jerking off his lonely withered penis to porn and reminiscing on better days.
Mr Enternational
10-27-18, 05:11
Funny how Thailand has near daily reports of westerners who "fell" out of a window. You can get lonely after omnipresent sex and massage, we need more emotional and intellectual support than that (plus cultural cues) and if not, you have other serious issues.This is not an issue for guys that catch and release. This happens to guys that don't get attention in their home countries, then they get overseas and think they have found love. They realize the girl did not love them at all and they decide to end it all. Many say if it ain't happening at home, then don't expect it to happen overseas. I say to know how somebody really feels about you, then show up without money.
I have been posting at regular intervals about things you need to factor in to any decisions to live here (and I do this as a long time resident in the Philippines who owns his own condo in an up-market area of Manila).
I have managed to stay sane and comfortable here for almost 23 years now because.....Not surprising that this is an issue world wide, where ever guys are flocking to cheap pussy for holidays or forever.
A discussion currently going on in the Madagascar thread (where girls are also cheap and plentiful):
My take on the matter is this. Once you settled in semi-retired life like me. I found several ways of distraction.....
Neddy.
P.S. Did you see my earlier post about having non sexual partners? I realise it goes against this intent of the board and sounds crazy from outsiders but living in Asia is the opposite of suburbia. In Asia sex is on tap and after a while guys start looking for real company. It doesn't surprise me that after a couple of years of residency, you have come to the stage where endless streams of 20 somethings is wearing thin.
Please take this as constructive. I'm not making any judgements. Just recognizing that living in Asia and the West are totally different. Something that holiday makers may not realise.
Cheers, G.I was only a real catch and release guy for a few months after my marriage ended. Even as a kid, pre marrage, days I wanted a relationship with good sex that got better rather than a string of random encounters with sex of questionable quality.
I do disagree with RK that the pussy factor should never enter into the calculation for someone making a permanent move, I do agree that it should not be a major factor. There are girls everywhere in the world and you can find them anywhere but I'd never consider a conservative religious dominated place where sex was either rare or very risky. I spent time in Afghanistan and even if the place was safe and interesting to be I'd never live anywhere that had their attitudes to sex.
I picked the Philippines for a wide variety of reasons, climate, people, English widely spoken, most western like country in Asia, Canadian tax implications, ease of getting residential visa and yes, the pussy factor. However everywhere else that I was considering also had a simular ease and availability for pussy. For example the Dominican Republic prostitution is legal so no issues from LE about that.
Biggest reason for picking the Philippines came down to the ease of getting long term visa and being able to maintain residency without staying here (long complicated story regarding Canada tax law.) in case I wanted to take a work assignment somewhere. In fact the final decision was here or Costa Rica but they re.
P.S. Did you see my earlier post about having non sexual partners? I realise it goes against this intent of the board and sounds crazy from outsiders but living in Asia is the opposite of suburbia. In Asia sex is on tap and after a while guys start looking for real company. It doesn't surprise me that after a couple of years of residency, you have come to the stage where endless streams of 20 somethings is wearing thin.
Please take this as constructive. I'm not making any judgements. Just recognizing that living in Asia and the West are totally different. Something that holiday makers may not realise.
Cheers, G.I was only a real catch and release guy for a few months after my marriage ended. Even as a kid, pre-marriage, days I wanted a relationship with good sex that got better rather than a string of random encounters with sex of questionable quality.
I do disagree with RK that the pussy factor should never enter into the calculation for someone making a permanent move, I do agree that it should not be a major factor. There are girls everywhere in the world and you can find them anywhere but I'd never consider a conservative religious dominated place where sex was either rare or very risky. I spent time in Afghanistan and even if the place was safe and interesting to be I'd never live anywhere that had their attitudes to sex.
I picked the Philippines for a wide variety of reasons, climate, people, English widely spoken, most western like country in Asia, Canadian tax implications, ease of getting residential visa and yes, the pussy factor. However everywhere else that I was considering also had a similar ease and availability for pussy. For example the Dominican Republic prostitution is legal so no issues from LE about that.
Biggest reason for picking the Philippines came down to the ease of getting long term visa and being able to maintain residency without staying here (long complicated story regarding Canada tax law.) in case I wanted to take a work assignment somewhere. In fact the final decision was here or Costa Rica but they require 120 days a year in county. If I decided to take another assignment somewhere that would bot be doable.
My question was on other ways to meet girls here. We discuss at length the different boards, the different venues in the Red Light districts and the good FL pick up places. Why not discuss alternatives?
The only suggestion so far is the tried and true do things that interest you and you will find girls with the same interests, just as you would back home to find a GF. I have been offered introductions by some of my Filipino friends here but am concerned that if the introduction does not go well, as they often do here LOL, that it will impact my relationship with guys who I worked with in Afghanistan.
Mr Enternational
10-27-18, 19:07
Biggest reason for picking the Philippines came down to the ease of getting long term visa and being able to maintain residency without staying here (long complicated story regarding Canada tax law.) in case I wanted to take a work assignment somewhere. In fact the final decision was here or Costa Rica A buddy that I originally met in Brazil went from there to DR to Costa Rica, back to DR, and has been living in AC the past few years. He said it was expensive living in Costa Rica and he might as well had been living in the States.
Anyone have any non-conventional strategies that they have tried either successfully or unsuccessfully?
If you're in Manila sign up for cooking classes at one of the many culinary colleges. There are a few Toastmasters clubs in metro area. Same with the Hash House Harriers. If you're a motoring enthusiast and have money there's an active scene of petrolheads that gather often and frequently organise races and other events in AC at Clark Speedway. Though it's predominantly male there are a female groupies. If you interested in technology, women tend to gravitate to photoshop, web dev, and database admin, and there are many schools offering classes. And of course dance classes.
Mr Enternational
11-26-18, 18:29
Me and my university professor went to eat at the Arab spot near LA Cafe. She didn't finish all her food and took it to go. When we got to the condo I put her leftovers in the refrigerator. Before going to bed, she took the food out of the refrigerator and left it on the table. When she wakes up I will ask her what that was about.
Me and my university professor went to eat at the Arab spot near LA Cafe. She didn't finish all her food and took it to go. When we got to the condo I put her leftovers in the refrigerator. Before going to bed, she took the food out of the refrigerator and left it on the table. When she wakes up I will ask her what that was about.They typically do not refrigerate as much stuff as we would do in the west.
I have had GF just leave leftover soups and stews in the pot on the stove and reheat it next day.
They typically do not refrigerate as much stuff as we would do in the west.
I have had GF just leave leftover soups and stews in the pot on the stove and reheat it next day.Many have a history of not having refrigeration to rely on for food hygiene and preservation. That's the roll of chillies, spices and fision hot frying.
Eating local recipes are rarely a problem. Using the same methods to store western meals can cause a whole world of pain.
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