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[Marconista]

It is a pleasure for me to open this thread, although I may have limited experience compared to a lot of the members contributing regularly on WSG.

I am travelling to Manila a couple of times a year, and have done so since 1996. My visits are about 1,5 to two weeks at the time, and I am there for business. Business means that our partners in Manila take well care of me when I am there, ie some arrangements every single day, with dinner parties etc. Luckily, they normally end not later than 10PM, so I have some time for the hobby. But the mornings are hard if you on a regular basis are heading off to the bars.

Regular Filipinas (not working girls): I find it hard to meet and date a regular pinay as my days are fully booked. I try to go to the malls during the weekends, but even so, the girls you pick up are mostly semi-pro. But if you are in Manila for some time, you can date and after a while bed some of these cuties. But bedding is not likely after the first date. Remember that the regular girls are Catholics, the live with their families, and must be home at certain hours in the evening. But when you get that lucky, to meet an office girl, and invite her out for dinner at a nice place in Greenbelt, they get emotional, and sort of fall for you, wanting to make you happy, and finally sleep with you. This only happened to me this last visit, when I had some time to work things out. And the bonus – she was a virgin!

Working Girls: Not even depending on where you hang out in Manila, it is so easy to pick them up. But the attitude of the ladies may differ big time. If you become a regular, and act nicely, the ladies are really good to you. The last two years my regular water-hole has been Casino Bar in EDSA, and the ladies, the bartenders, FM(mama-sans) all recognize me, and some even remember my name. Nobody ever try to rip me off with expensive Lady-drinks, but they have some soft-drinks or beer on my bill. And like some of you guys hanging out in Angeles, I make it a point to tell the girls that I am a butterfly, so that they can not expect me to BF them more than one time each time I visit Manila. And the ladies knowing that, there is no big deal when I come back the next evening. They are all sweet and nice, and know that I am looking for someone else for the next evening. But I buy them a drink, and tease them about the previous night, and they even blush when I whisper details into their ears..he he he..


Internet-girls: Internet is such a nice inventions meeting people across the Globe. And I have been using it extensively for “research” prior to my travels. I started out with Microsoft Messenger, and looked in to the address-books of MSN, targeting some ladies (preferably with pictures), sent them a few emails, depending on their location. As I normally hang out in Malate, I search for girls in that area, asking about places to go, bands playing and so on. Most of them came back with info to me, and then I added them to my messenger and started chatting nicely when they appeared there. Got me two different girls (lays) on one trip, but one of the girls was working in a bar, the other was 19 and had worked in a bar for one year. So I paid them for their services. Three other girls that I chatted with I did not have time to meet with this last time, but I still keep in touch with them. After some time I started to use Yahoo Messenger. More Pinays are to be found on Yahoo than on Microsoft/MSN. If they are on MSN, they are ALSO on Yahoo. There are also other possibilities, such as www.Chikka.com. You can search their site for ladies, add them to your software, and start SMS (text-messages on cellular-phones) them. I am not sure of how popular SMS is in the US, but here in Norway/Europe and in the RP it is POPULAR. The good thing for us, is that if you download the software, you can text them for free, but they have to pay php 2,5 for each reply they make to your text. Another alternative to meet lady-friends are on www.Crushcow.com. I believe they are partners with Chikka.

Summing it up..Non-working girls become much more expensive than WG, for sure, ie dinner at nice places etc etc. And it takes time and endurance. But it is the hunt that is the best part, for me, and then of cause finally getting there... Y

Being nice to the ladies, WG or not, will give you a very good time, when visiting the beautifil island of the Philippines. I feel that most regulars can promise you that


I hope that CanContrib and Cebulocal can give more specific info on this thread, being “old-timers” both in RP and on this forum.

[Cebu Local]

I agree with marconista 100% since he has experienced the full spectrum of girls from working to normal,He is a member of a local board that I am also active on,my personal favorites though are the semi pros,the part timers since they are not hustlers like the bar girls,but you dont have to go through the hassle of courting a normal girl.plenty of those available regards

[CanContrib]

This html-ish quoting thing to intersperse tidbits is going to be hard, but I'll try to get it right.
To this point has taken some substantial recursive editing, so there really should be an easier way. ... anyway,

This new section should be affectionately entitled
"Proper Care and Feeding of Filipinas". :)

Just don't feed them *too* well once they're living with you or they'll go to sleep too soon, happy for what's the right reason for them but not exactly for you. If I followed my own advice properly then I wouldn't be posting this right now, but it's not that big a problem one way or another when it's "time".


Originally posted by Marconista
It is a pleasure for me to open this thread, although I may have limited experience compared to a lot of the members contributing regularly on WSG.[/i]

Marconista, you did a fine *fine* job. I could easily just write ... "yeah, what he said", but to neglect to add anything useful just isn't my style so apologies if this turns out a bit longish.


Originally posted by Marconista
I hope that CanContrib and Cebulocal can give more specific info on this thread, being ?old-timers? both in RP and on this forum. [...]

Regular Filipinas (not working girls): I find it hard to meet and date a regular pinay as my days are fully booked.
[/i]

Yes, that's a problem. Not an problem finding available filipinas, just a problem finding the *time* to do something with them, and then finding one who doesn't mind seeing you when *you* tell them you finally can. Can do though.


Originally posted by Marconista
I try to go to the malls during the weekends, but even so, the girls you pick up are mostly semi-pro. But if you are in Manila for some time, you can date and after a while bed some of these cuties. But bedding is not likely after the first date. Remember that the regular girls are Catholics, the live with their families, and must be home at certain hours in the evening. But when you get that lucky, to meet an office girl, and invite her out for dinner at a nice place in Greenbelt, they get emotional, and sort of fall for you, wanting to make you happy, and finally sleep with you. This only happened to me this last visit, when I had some time to work things out. And the bonus - she was a virgin!
[/i]

"Salamat na lang" to the mall pimps, and I just smile back at the real girls politely. If a real girl is sufficiently interested, she'll get her cell# to me someway discretely.

You got a bonus! You found the only one! I'm not sure what I'd do if I ever encountered a *real* virgin. In theory unless they're married, they're all "virgins" in this catholic country. In theory I'm sure you can even fine "married virgins". In real life, I've never met any girls at all who are real virgins, though of course in *theory* they all are. Maybe some way way down in the provinces where I've not been, or the very sweet very young girl I passed up last year because not touching her was the right thing to do.

Yes, if you treat them decently, with respect, but still making sure they know you're interested in more than "just dinner", when they do sleep with you they will do it because they love you. You figure out what to do with that little detail in the morning if you have any heart. My answer is that of course I will see them again soon, and do so. Eventually they move on anyway leaving you with a clear conscience and fond memories of them.


Originally posted by Marconista
Working Girls: Not even depending on where you hang out in Manila, it is so easy to pick them up. But the attitude of the ladies may differ big time. If you become a regular, and act nicely, the ladies are really good to you.[/i]

Yup. I think we already have enough accumulated evidence of that posted here.


Originally posted by Marconista
Internet-girls: Internet is such a nice inventions meeting people across the Globe. And I have been using it extensively for ?research? prior to my travels. I started out with Microsoft Messenger, and looked in to the address-books of MSN, targeting some ladies (preferably with pictures), sent them a few emails, depending on their location. As I normally hang out in Malate, I search for girls in that area, asking about places to go, bands playing and so on. Most of them came
back with info to me, and then I added them to my messenger and started chatting nicely when they appeared there. Got me two different girls (lays) on one trip, but one of the girls was working in a bar, the other was 19 and had worked in a bar for one year. So I paid them for their services. Three other girls that I chatted with I did not have time to meet with this last time, but I still keep in touch with them. After some time I started to use Yahoo Messenger. More Pinays are to be found on Yahoo
(.. +SMS details ... )
[/i]

Won't bore anyone with private stories of how I wound up in Phils in the first place, but let's just say I knew her very well before I got here. Everything we had talked about happened, and happened very fast, which surprised her but didn't surprise me. Even today I get a whole lot more happiness from her than complaints, which is something one normally only dreams about but never expects.

Isolated instance? Not really. I started chatting with another fine lady around the same time, but she had some things to work through. I gave her the proper advice and then after more than a year of her prodding I finally gave her the few hours she's wanted for so long to "make me happy". She was every bit as good with me as she said she wanted to be and she's made it clear that now she doesn't want to have to wait so long for the next time. Maybe next week I can do that again.

Ok, lucky twice? What about the friend I finally had dinner with about a year ago and then we didn't chat much until a little while ago? She came right out and told me a few of weeks ago that next time I should expect her to make love with me for her first time since her "first time" many years ago (and I *know* just how wild that makes them when it happens like that). Why *me*? Well, I'm here and her so-called foreigner "boyfriend" just isn't showing up to whisk her away like he promised, and I'm her good friend. I have an advantage. I'm here and real to her, and she needs some practice and wants me to help her with that.

Lucky again when I get around to it? Chatted with a new one yesterday, "just friends". Fine with me. She said I'll *never* take her home with me. Ok. Told me on second chat today that we'll only ever just be friends. But, then when I said that's just fine, suddenly she seems hurt because I just took what she said at face value. Suddenly there's strong hints that maybe just maybe her intentions could easily be more than "just friends" ... and can I meet her soon? Sorry, not soon, that'll have to wait until she's "ready" - by my definition and on my terms and turf.

Yeah, more isolated instances. Then there's the 19 year old who hit on me today. Could be nothing. "Just friends". Well, ummmm, maybe ummmm, she's chewing on the idea. Yeah. I know where she's wanting to head. Reminds me of the 18-year old that fell in love with me last year but I tried to let down very gently before anything actually happened. She was ready to follow me anywhere and no doubt would have. I bailed at the last moment, literally an hour before I was supposed to go & get her and take her to wherever I wanted to for the next few weeks for starters. She was absolutely beautiful too - still kicking myself for thinking of her future more than the enjoyment she would have given me.

Can you meet someone nice on yahoo, etc? Yes. Just remember most of them are human too, di ba?

Next question no one really asked: "Is there an age-barrier"?
Answer: depends. sometimes. Sometimes 10 years difference is too much. Sometimes 30-ish difference is just right, or anything in between. Figure it out with who you're talking to, it'll only take a few minutes. I've been called "lolo" (Tagalog for "grandpa") by ordinary girls who made love with me later. Go figure. Then again, they say I don't look or act like a "lolo" when they get to know me.

I thought about whether I should comment positively about e-chat-services, and concluded that the more the merrier. The more guys for the girls to chat with, the more of their cute yummy friends they'll bring along for their next online session. The more guys that act like idiots, the better it is for you and me when they finally get someone "decent" to talk to. Since there are increasingly more idiots than nice girls, we good guys win easily every time.


Originally posted by Marconista
Summing it up..Non-working girls become much more expensive than WG, for sure, ie dinner at nice places etc etc. And it takes time and endurance. But it is the hunt that is the best part, for me, and then of cause finally getting there...

Being nice to the ladies, WG or not, will give you a very good time, when visiting the beautifil island of the Philippines. I feel that most regulars can promise you that.
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Right. Be a good guy. You will be rewarded.

I know a few "working girls". They're friends, and we date when they don't have anything more profitable to do or when they just feel like it. I know a few "non-working" girls, same thing.
Irrespective of their occupation (or none), it's a toss-up between letting them find me electronically or in person. See where I wrote "them find me"? They hunt, I choose who may catch me. Try that back in North America when you're the wrong side of 50, needing to loose 30lbs, working like crazy but with no spare money? Do I ever want to leave this place? Just let them wear me out lovingly and bury me here with a big grin in a few decades.

Gentlemen, be decent exercising your advantages, because that's what gets you what you really want.

[Marconista]

Salamat Po, CanContrib. Knew we could trust you and CebuLocal to contribute on this valuable thread.

But for sure - there must be more gents out there (Pinoy-Gents also) with various opinions, and advice to give, after having lived in RP for years, or visited regularly.

[Pinay Lover]

Hello and thank you, CanContrib and Moconista, for your advise and insights on filipinas.

I've been coming and going in the Philippines for 7 years now and finally learned the language (passable). I must admit that I was enjoying myself with the availabily of the girls you can have for the first couple of years. Lately with the work and travel, it is hard sometimes to find the time.

One thing I do like about filipinas compared to other girls in asia or europe. That when you have sex with them, it is like your making love to your girlfriend not a girl you just barfined. They even kiss very passionately, too. That is why I learned to respect these ladies because of the double lives they live.

I am still uneasy of the tag "my foreigner boyfriend" when I'm around one of my steady girls. One of the girls I call on often is a 19 year old student that I met that works part-time at the bookstore in the mall below me. Haven't slept with her yet since she says she's still a virgin but I can wait. There are others around. She makes great company when I want to act like a overgrown kid.

Besides, sometimes I don't have to try and they still try to get my attention. I'm 40+ and I have college girls hitting on me. Would never happen to me in the States. Now that I'm pretty settle in the P.I., it will be hard for me to return Stateside. It is good to know that there are people who have been around longer and are willing to share their experience and advise.

I'm back in the states for another two weeks and it has been a dry two weeks already. I can't wait to get back to my lovely ladies that will be glad to see me once more. Besides, even calling with pre-paid phone cards can still be expensive will all the females I have to call and tell I haven't forgotten them.

Thank you once more, gentlemen.

[Tanker]

CanContrib

Great post; some very useful information. I'm struggling with my future plans with a filipina vs my need to play around. My girl will say that she just wants me to love her and she doesn't care if I have other GFs as long as she doesn't know about them, but I'm pretty sure that she's just trying to get me to promise that I won't have others.

As I see it, I have 3 options:

1. Be totally honest and tell her that I'll be very good to her, but I intend to play around.

2. Lie like a mother-fucker and tell her she'll always be the only one.

3. Cut her loose and live an empty life of fucking whoever I want without guilt (maybe just a little).

This little filipina is a world class babe and the sweetest girl I ever met and we love each other. I think I fell in love with her while we were having a casual conversation as she was washing my underwear by hand, happy as a proverbial clam. I don't want to give her up and I don't want to hurt her, but the latter may be a given no matter what I do, and the former might just be the right thing to do.

I appreciate any input you have on this topic since you seem to have some insight in this area and it might help some other guys as well.

[chacho]

Tanker,

Well, it seems as if you have a wee bit of mongering to get out of your system before you settle down. As much of a gem as the gal might be, it's probably best to drop her gently. Trust me! when a woman says that she doesn't mind if her man fuks other women, she's lying.

I would guess that your gal is hoping that she'll be able to put it on you so hard, that you won't feel the need to fuk other women.

You know, most men reach a point in their lives when they realize that fuking aroung is costly, time consuming etc., and they would be better off settling down. The thing of it is, until a guy completely reaches that stage, there's no need to force yourself into something that you aren't ready for.

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[Tanker]

thanks for the reply, chacho. i know that no woman can ever be happy if she knows her man is fucking around. i just get the impression that filipinas might be able to live with it to some degree more than some other women due to cultural influences. my future father-in law had a mistress quite openly apparently for several years, and mama wasn't happy about it, but he doesn't seem to be paying a high price now for the good times back in the day. i'm not planning to do anything out in the open like that, but in the philippines, there are so many opportunities that you'd have to be almost in a coma not to indulge. if i did something along those lines, it would be discreet and hopefully, even though women have a radar for that kind of thing, i'd possibly be able to get away with it unrep001hed.

anyway, i'm still tossing this one around. i'll figure something out eventually. happy hunting.

[CanContrib]

Tanker, if you feel you *really* know her then give it a try. What's the worst that can happen? You can wake up with all your stuff and money gone someday? Or you may wake up to her every morning that you want to.

Yes, that's actually possible. I have a few friends that are not the jealous type. One of them has on two occasions said to me "sure, go ahead if you like her" while sitting right there.
One night she even texted me asking if she could bring a friend over who needed a place to stay the night, and a few hours later she cheerfully went to sleep while her friend made me quite happy. We actually talked about that last week and she said "well, she liked you and you liked her, so why not; I was sleepy anyway". Then again, I similarily respect her right to go play with whoever she wants to, so I would expect your "arrangement" can't be all that much different. Filipinas that consider themselves committed to you tend to expect the same in return - to extreme. Geez if I'm not home at a reasonable hour akin asawa flips out worrying about me. She's told me she'll give me my freedom anytime I want, or stay with me for life, but I definately understand that with her it's one or the other. She's one to keep but those don't tend to let you have any fun elsewhere.

Maybe yours is different? Be interesting to read your update a few months or years from now. Best of luck!

[Tanker]

CanContrib,

Thank you for your input on this. I know she won't go for me playing around with other women. If I did that I'd have to be very careful and cover my tracks completely. She's a great girl, as I'm sure you can imagine. I've never had a GF who could even come close to her in quality and affection and anything else you can think of. I'll be in Manila in November, so if you want to get together while I'm there just let me know through this board. I'll keep buying the san migs until you stop talking.

[Jamal]

Question from a noob:

How do the filipinas feel about black guys? I'm going to be going to Singapore and was thinking about skipping over to the Phillipines, but I don't want to go over there and get treated like shit for a week.

[TSMDave]

Great Thread!

CanContrib, you're my hero! You're living the life I want to lead!

I've been to PI only once and loved it there. It is so down to earth there that I am seriously considering moving there someday.

Just curious, do most of you live there or just visit there once or twice a year?

And if you live there, what type of work is availiable (if you need to work at all).

Regarding filipinas, I've noticed there are different sub races among them, there are the ones who have a very 'tribal' look to them, usually a round face... and there are the ones with slimmer faces like the one here. Is there a regional difference where one could find more of one or the other?

[Three I]

Hi I am writing 2 filipina now! I have not met any of them yet but they want to meet. O yeah I am black!

threex@theinbox.org

[Three I]

Here is a site to check out! "Filipina Relationship and Marriages"

http:/pub25.ezboard.com/ffilipinorelationshipdfrm16.showMessage?topicID=76.topic

It is a really good site so check it out!

[Travel to Monger]

Jamal,

It’s no problem being a black guy in the RP. Some of the girls new to the scene will be afraid of you do to the reputation of the monster package, however many of the girls, and probably the girls who offer the best return on investment won’t treat you any differently than the rest of the punters in the Phils.

If you have a week, you have to check out Angeles City, I have flown from Pore to AC for just 2 days. If you have never hobbied in the Phils, you just can’t understand how much the girls attitudes enhances the whole experience. With these girls you aren’t renting a sex partner, you are renting a girl friend. IMHO, the Phils, and AC in particular is the gold standard of hobbying.

BJ

[Travel to Monger]

Tanker,

I have known a few Filipina’s over the years; current honey-ko is an attorney for an international law firm in Manila. She is an interesting and rather dangerous combination of Filipina passion and western logic.

From your posts I am not sure weather you intend to marry your honey-ko and bring her to the West and then “secretly” fool around on her. If so, I hope that you have a good lawyer draw up an air tight pre-nup. If you are going to live in the Phils, you can pull this off with the girl, but you will still have to deal with the family if you are married.

If you live in the Phils and don’t actually get married, the girls realize that their hand isn’t strong enough to force the issue, but bring her to the West and you are toast.

You mention that you think that their culture seems to tolerate the men fooling around, I actually think these girls are considerably more jealous than western women or Thais for that matter, and I am certain that they are MUCH more likely to resort to violence if they feel like they are about to lose their money-ko. It is very naïve to equate the accepted behavior of Pilipino men and what you can get away with as a foreigner.

Good luck,

BJ

[Jamal]

Bangkok_jim, Three X

Thanks for your replies guys. Look like I'm definately going to head over to the Phils now. 8-D. Good looking out.

bangkok_jim, the attitude was part of the reason I picked The Philippines ;)

[Steve101]

Hi all,

I need some advice - though I suspect it will be down to me to make up my mind in the end.

In early May I went to Cebu for a holiday and met a really sweet 18 year old (I'm 45) and we went on holiday to another island and we had a really nice time together - some sex (but not lots and lots) and just a very pleasant loving time together. It was really sad when the time came to come back home (I live in the region). Her English is not very good but we get on ok communication wise.

When I got back we communicated by phone and text message and I sent her some money to go to college. She also said that her father was sick and I sent her some money for him too. After a few weeks I got fed up with the money game and got a bit cross with her for asking for money.

Then she told me she ran away from the person she called her father and rented a room and stopped asking me for money but after a short while we lost contact for a while because she sold her cell phone to raise money.

A few weeks later just before the time when we had planned to see eachother again she suddenly got in touch again and begged me to go and see her but it was too late because I had made other plans. That happened twice over the months.Now with the Christmas holidays coming up she is texting me again and appealing to me to go and see her and saying very loving things.

I really don't know what to do. I hate to let her down but I can't tell whether she is being entirely honest with me because of the earlier experience with her 'father' though she did explain that he had been forcing her to ask me for money. I'm also not really sure there's a future in the relationship with such a gap in age, education and distance.

I'm faced with the choice between going and seeing her again or telling her it's the end and I'm not going to see her and I have to decide by Tuesday 25th. As I said I'd hate to think I'd let down a poor girl when she's always saying she loves me and really showed it when we were together - was completely dedicated to me.

Well I suppose I'd better stop there. Any advive welcome please.

[Pinay Lover]

Steve 101,

I myself was in Cebu just a few months ago and enjoyed my time with a real young college girl. I'm in my 40s and could relate to your dilema. Turns out that the girl is just 18 when I met her. I keep forgetting that they go to college here as young as 16. But back to the story, we keep in contact and yes, she has also asked for money for her tuition. I gave in once but if she asks again my answer will be no. I may be rich in their eyes but not by U.S. standards. You have to be firm with some of these women and girls. But as always, it is a personal judgement call. Be prepared to get burned is it goes wrong.

I just hope we are not talking about the same girl here. Just in case, the girl I'll be seeing is 5'4", about 100 lbs, long hair halfway down her back, 18 y.o., goes to SouthWestern Univ and goes by the name Theresa.

It is easy to fall in love with these brown hotties. If a gun where placed in my head to choose which of my "girlfriends" I keep on the side would be the next Mrs. Pinay Lover, I'd die of a stroke just trying to choose. Ha, ha, ha... I love (like) them all. Sometimes the GFE can seem so real.

Remember this, Steve. She lied to you before. You can't verify her story. Her sweet pleas could be a ploy to spend more on her. You seem to have made your decision already in your post. If you still plan to fool around still, loose the girl. If she's trying to use you as a bank, loose the girl. As for the age gap. Well, I'm trying to get over mine. I will be seeing my Cebuana beauty in a couple of days. She is so hot and tender in bed. Just something about her that makes that age difference melt away. Plus I am liking Cebu lately.

[Hutsori]

Steve101,

Take a step back, put the emotions aside, and think.

You're nearly 30 years her senior, from a socio-economic background that couldn't be more different, and find in difficult to converse in English with her. Other than her difficult life, her ailing family, and Brittney Spears what do you discuss?

Do you have a man in your life you call Father who isn't your father? Do you know of anyone else who does?

Since you've gotten fed up with the requests for money it seems that, like most of us, you are neither wealthy nor an altruist.

Perhaps she loves you. Perhaps she loves others. Likely your bank account is the true object of her love.

It's nice that you are concerned for her well being. What should cause you greater concern is your indecisiveness, as evident in this comment: I need some advice - though I suspect it will be down to me to make up my mind in the end.

You suspect (SUSPECT?!) it will down to you to make up your mind in the end. If not you...who? The man she calls Father?

As your judgment seems suspect heed your instinct.

[MasterBlaster]

Steve101,

You must be in the wrong board. But anyways here is an advice from a monger's point of view. I'm just pulling this off my ass. There is probably about 0.5% of 40 million Filipinas in the Philippines who would like to get married to a 45 year old Westerner. That makes it about say 200,000 Filipinas. I very much doubt if all of them would have the same problems as your current GF. Having problems at the stage when you are just "dating" is definitely a bad sign no matter who you talk to; and, to think that things will get good later is just bullshit. Your GF will always have the same "poverty" stigma even if she does better for herself. Her relatives will keep asking for money and she will always have the same guilt that pushes her to keep on helping them. Maybe her "Father" will always be in the background. Are you willing to take the odds of changing that trend or maybe "psyche"? Why don't you just pick from the other 200,000 possibilities? I'm sure there are a lot more decent ones out there. Just don't sell yourself short.

[Oetziboy]

steve
I'm also 45, I'm not the stunning guy around, but I believe I've something in between the ears, I visit Phls. since 1989 and I guess I've been there some 60/70 times, have done lots of business there too, so I had chance to learn somthing more than other occasional tourist, I've learned some of Tagalog and I have met tons of girls.
First let me confirm the advise to be careful, particularly when your (real) emotions are involved, but careful means not necessarely to bring trust to zero, handle it the way you feel it.
What I can tell you is that all kind of woman (and man) are available in Phls - same as in your & obviously in my country, the main difference - and this may take time to understand and to believe - is that they have a very very close relation to their family, they are willing to do and give everything for the family (attitude which we westeners dont have - rather opposite we expect our family / parents to do eerything for us).
Finally reg. age difference, well Steve, some Filippinas (maybe the most) see us westeners not necessarely as a walking bank account (as maybe some nasty father or brother ecc.) but as the chance to have a fa maily where the childs would not be raised along the street, where childs could have "western" education, where husband would not come back drunk with 2 or more girls in his arms ecc. ecc. definitly I suggest to look into yourself and to decide, and if you decide for your feeling, make thinks clear with her, and you will see how happy she will be for your understanding, may never bring her to your country Steve, she may suffer the changes (remind this by any of your decision)
P.S. words and toughts of a guy which will (hopefully)retire in few more years in Phls.

[Travel to Monger]

Hi Steve,

I feel your pain; I think that most of the mongers that travel to Southeast Asia for short holidays or business trips have been through very similar difficulties. As you point out in your post, this is your decision. So I won’t attempt to give you any actual advice, but I will share some of what I have learned first hand and through other friends’ experiences.

You didn’t mention how long you were with this girl, but if it was a typical holiday, it probably wasn’t more than 2 – 4 weeks. I am always amazed at how a Western man can know a girl, from a culture that he knows relatively little about, who may not speak his language fluently, and yet he thinks that he falls in love with the girl in just 2 weeks. Most of us wouldn't think that we could fall in love with someone from our own culture, who speaks our language fluently, in 2 weeks. Of course this goes equally for the girl who actually thinks she loves us, even though she doesn’t fully understand our language or our culture. The fortunate thing for most of us is that time and distance usually has a way of taking care of this problem, we get back to our frenzied life in the West, suffer from a few weeks of Post-Paradise-Depression, and then slowly settle back into our daily routine as the email frequency goes from several a day to a couple a week. I personally go through this cycle every time I travel to Southeast Asia.

Unfortunately, many of us are too resourceful for our own good. If we are still in the great Wage-Slave phase of life, we find a way to bring our new exotic Asian princess to our home countries. If we are financially independent, we pull up stakes and move to her country expecting to live happily ever after. Sadly, this often isn’t the case, each strategy offers it own unique difficulties.

<b> Bring Honey-Ko Home </b>
This option has the least probability of success and is potentially the most financially disastrous for the Western man. There are so many reasons why this option may fail that it would be difficult to list them all in one post. First let’s consider the culture shock that honey-ko is going to experience when she arrives in the West. She will be removed from her extended support network of a large family and friends that she has known for her entire life, she has probably never driven a car and she has never experienced a North American or Northern European winter and her education level and language proficiency will typically limit her to the most menial of jobs.

If she decides to work one of these unskilled jobs, she will be exposed to many people who have made the type of life choices that lead to menial employment. She will certainly be very susceptible to their influences, she is after all very young, naïve to our culture and our way of life. She will be exposed to young men her own age that she will have allot more in-common with than she does with her new husband given the age difference.

On the other hand, if she chooses not to work, that will present its own unique set of problems. She will be stuck at home all day with little to do besides watch TV (Soap Operas, Heraldo, etc) and eat. Both activities can quickly turn the beautiful, fun-loving princess into an overweight, head-case problem. Just think of the effect that watching the day-time talk shows that feature topics such as “my mother is having an affair with my husband”, or the weekly feature where they have 3 or 4 men and a woman with a baby whom has no idea which of the 4 is the father. The drama unfolds right there on national TV as they announce which of the 4 is the father, the 3 men who get off the hook are elated and the poor bastard who is stuck with girl and the baby is majorly pissed-off. These shows depict these activities as being normal, mainstream America. She doesn’t have the awareness to understand that these individuals represent the fringes of our society; it will mess with her head.

Another huge obstacle is the distorted sense of reality that these girls have about life in the West. First is the “money grows on trees” problem that Holly Wood promotes, enough said about that. Even more damaging than this will be the changes that you will exhibit as you settle into your wage-slave existence. Think about how the two of you spent your time while you were in the Phils. You woke up in the morning and did her “the big favor” before having room service bring up the breakfast, or you went out for breakfast at a nice restaurant. Actually, you ate every meal at a nice restaurant and you never thought twice about the cost, this probably won’t be how you live at home. We tell them that we rarely eat out at home, and that we actually do our own domestic chores. Although they claim to believe us, they are in denial about this, in the Phils people of even modest means have domestic helpers, these girls as absolutely certain that life with a foreigner includes a lifetime escape from laundry, cooking, cleaning, etc.

You mentioned in your post that there wasn’t allot of boom-boom with her, but most of us guys do honey-ko the “big favor” a couple of times a day while in paradise, and we take our time and do it in a manner that is worthy of our new found exotic princess, after all, she makes us feel 20 years old again. However, when we get home and head off to the office all day, we usually can’t keep up this level of service. In her mind, we “have changed” we aren’t the man she thought we were.

Lastly, if all of these forces that are working against marital bliss end up in a divorce, she will be in a position to clean you out financially. She has no skills, no support network; you are responsible for making her “a stranger in a strange land.” In the eye of the court system, you are responsible for her well-being.

<b> Move to Paradise </b>
For those of us who are old enough to retire or who are lucky enough to be financially independent, we can leave the West behind and move to paradise. I am not sure that this has a much higher probability of success; however, I do think that the ball is in our court and the financial risk is greatly reduced. I say that the ball is on our court because we are the ones who will be constantly faced with temptation and honey-ko will realize this from the beginning. If you managed to find this special lady while on a short holiday, just think what you will be able to find once you are established, know where to look and understand their culture well enough to push all of the correct buttons. You will soon discover that the exotic princess that you hastily fell deeply in lust with is just like about 20 million other young ladies who would all be very happy to make you their money-ko. As a matter of fact she is so non-unique; you will find it nearly impossible to pick her out of a crowd such as at the mall. Very few of us in the West have ever had to deal with this type of temptation in our lives and many are ill equipped to avoid the daily attempts by equally young, equally exotic girls that want to steal us away from honey-ko.

Another issue that many Westerners are ill prepared to deal with is the notion of extended family and the financial obligation that this imposes on you if you marry a Filipina. You will expected to help members of your new extended family with financial assistance on a continuous basis, and if you think that you can say no to legitimate family needs, you will be putting your new wife in an untenable situation. They simply could not understand why a family member who has money to help would ever say no to such a request.

However, the bottom-line is that we are in the driver’s seat, you don’t need to marry her to be with her and most importantly, she can’t clean you out financially if things don’t work out.

Given the often insurmountable odds of marrying a Filipina, what should we do to maximize our happiness? In my experiences with Filipinas and Thais, and from watching other foreigners struggle through this problem, I would recommend that you spend as much time as possible with her in the Phils. Treat her very well during your visits, buy her things that she will need but cannot easily hock such as clothes and school tuition if applicable. If she needs medical assistance, arrange to pay the bills directly, but no matter what, don’t send her money. I have a honey-ko in Manila who I take traveling to other countries, she really enjoys this and seems to get allot of respect from her co-workers as a result of our traveling together. It works very well for me as well, I get to spend time with my favorite Filipina without having to spend all my holidays in the Phils, and I have an excellent traveling partner. She even grudgingly accepts that I sneak out for some quick mongering on the side so that I can “experience” the local talent in every country. She doesn’t particularly appreciate this behavior, but she is smart enough to realize that forcing a show-down might lead to her being left in Manila.

I hope that this gives you a few things to consider before making a decision that could literally ruin your life.

BB

[Flying Scotsman]

Just a quick note to Bangkok Jim....realy enjoyed ur last post, well written, by someone who really knows the Philippines. Im lucky enough to have been married to a filipina for the past twenty odd years ... and still get out mongering..:) . hope the newbies will read and learn...

tnx for a great post... The Flying Scotsman

[Texas Now]

Lastly, if all of these forces that are working against marital bliss end up in a divorce, she will be in a position to clean you out financially. She has no skills, no support network; you are responsible for making her “a stranger in a strange land.” In the eye of the court system, you are responsible for her well-being.Not only in the eye of the court, but in the eye of the U.S. Government. During the immigration process you must complete an Affidavit of Support. Once this document is filed, and the person immigrates to the U.S, you are legally bound to support them until they are credited with 40 quarters (10 years) of work, they become a U.S. Citizen, depart the U.S. permanently, or they die. Divorce does not terminate your support obligation. Even if your ex-wife remarries, you are legally obligated to support her until one of the above conditions are met.

[Three I]

Bankok_jim I think that was an excellent post. I am texting 2 filipinas now, one is 23 witrh no education and the other is 33 with a education and a 14year old dauther.

You have helped alot!

[MasterBlaster]

After reading through other monger's recent posts, somehow I am yearning to hear somebody draw the line between a girl who is "marriage material" or a girl who you just f*ck. Since this is a monger's board, perhaps some would think that they all fall under the same category. I have no problem with that but I wonder if mongers like me have to really understand the "redeeming" value in differentiating between the two; I said "redeeming" coz I could not imagine anybody being nurtured to view the two as one and the same. Honestly, I have seen myself mix the two out of adventurism. Anyways, I enjoyed the most recent posts especially bangkok_jim's.

[Three I]

Hey masterblaster go to my 11-1103 post that has a filipina website that is great!

[Bad Santa]

There is one assumption which I would like to make before I give my opinion.
This is a mongerer’s board therefore I’m assuming that these women we’re talking about are pay 4 play.

I am a little bit perturbed with the idea that we emotionally get too involved with these working women. Maybe the GFE term should be changed to something like GFF (girl fried Fantasy) because fantasy/illusion is what we’re engaging in. Bangkok Jim was also right when he said that these working women are under the illusion that we grow money on trees. I think the reason why they have such thinking is partly because of their ignorance in economics . Our currency if far stronger compared to the Philippine Peso. Compared to a local mongerer, we can afford to pay more. To a working Filipina, especially to someone who has no formal education, she is oblivious on how we earn our money. All she knows is that we can afford to pay more. Therefore she thinks that we are wealthy. However, I think that we may also be under the illusion that these women are somehow, the Madam Butterfly we hope. We have these illusion that these women are raised to be subservient to the male population.

We go to PI to indulge in the fantasy that we are the “MAN”. Let's just leave it that way. I don’t know exactly when fantasy and reality gets mixed up but I think we inadvertently tend to switch the meaning of those two ideas. Somehow, when we’re engage in our fantasy we tend to believe that it is reality.

There are several reasons why we fly to PI and indulge in this hobby.
1) We get more bang for our hard earned buck. I think that all experienced mongers know how expensive it is to hobby in the states. Unless you are Hugh Heffner or Jerry Buss, which has a lot of money, regular hobbyist won’t get much out of the working women here.
2) Secondly, and I think this is the most important one of them all, most of these working women in SE Asia are not as jaded compared to the women we have here in the states. We are able to have more fun with them because they let us indulge in our fantasy. They make us feel very welcome and somehow we interpret their hospitality for caring or even love.

Guys here me out. No matter how these women make you feel complete, good or satisfied, they are PROS!!!! Most of these women are in that profession because they want/need to make money. They are good at what they do. So please, avoid trying to get too emotionally involve with them. It’s OK to indulge into your fantasy as long as you find the distinction between reality and illusion.

If you still want to marry a Filipina, then find someone who is not inn this type of profession. Bankok_Jim made several good observations so heed him out.

Filipina women in general are not subservient. They are more tolerant, forgiving people. This is just how the culture is in PI. Somehow I find this attractive because they’re more willing to put up with my mistakes/flaw (for a lack of a better word), compared to our women in the west.

Hope this helps.

SC

[Vchip]

And if you do decide to tie the knot. regardless of what country she is from, recommend that you get a notarized, legal pre-nuptial agreement.

[Travel to Monger]

The Flying Scotsman,

Thank you for your kind words. I hope that I did not write anything that would be offensive to an individual such as you who is happily married to a Filipina or Thai.

The entire subject of marrying a girl from a country and a culture other than one’s own is fraught with high risk and high reward. I would like to congratulate you and your significant other on a difficult job well done.

In my limited experience with these matters, I think that relationships with Filipinas are often more successful than with Thais for a multitude of reasons.

The first reason is that the Republic of the Philippines is a significantly more westernized society than the other Asian nations. The long period of Spanish colonization left a legacy of a western religion and a national language that is heavily influenced by the Spanish language. Combine this with the American occupation; militarily, economically and pop-culturally, and you are left with arguably the most western county in Asia.

I love the Asian culture, but a real problem I have with mongering in Thailand is that by the time the girl speaks decent English, she has already been in the business too long and is well on her way to be jaded. The widespread adoption of the English language is another reason why relationships with Filipina have a higher probability of success than with many other Asian nationals. The Filipinas tend to do a better job of communicating with their western husband/boyfriend than the Thai girls. They are also in a better position to obtain employment level proficiency at a relatively rapid pace in the West. Much of their post secondary education is based on US guidelines and is taught in English. The medical programs in the Phils, especially nursing is so highly regarded in the US and parts of Europe that their graduates are actively recruited in the Phils by US hospitals.

However, I think that the single most significant difference that gives marrying a Filipina a higher likelihood of success than marrying a Thai is the cultural attitude towards ones’ native country. The Thai’s seem to be extremely nationalistic, they are very proud of the fact that the Kingdom of Thailand has never been colonized by a foreign power. The Thais as a people just don’t have a burning desire to immigrate to the West. In contrast, many Filipinas have embraced Western culture and are extremely eager to immigrate to a Western country. This willingness to move abroad is undeniable to anyone who has spent any time in Southern California or even Hong Kong for that matter with the literally thousands of domestic helpers living and working in that city.

In closing, I guess I should state the obvious; I am a hard core Filipina lover. I never cease to be amazed at how much hardship the Filipinas endure and still maintain such a cheerful, positive outlook on life. We should ALL thank Buddha for the Filipina, one of the last best things on this planet.

--Bangkok Jim

Better Loving Through Chemistry; San Miguel Beer, Vitamin V and Filipinas

[MasterBlaster]

Three X,

Seen the board you mentioned. I'm too graphic to be in there. I'd rather stay here. Another thing, I'm no foreigner. Like one old fart's saying "To understand one is to be one."

Thanks anyways.

[Macauman]

Gentlemen,
I've hobbied extensively in China and HK, but lately, I find my tastes heading more in the direction of SE Asia. In the next few years, I have made it a goal to visit the PI, Indonesia (Jakarta), and Thailand, never having visited any of these places. What I am looking for is a girlfriend experience with an early to mid 20's woman, who I can hang out with throughout my trip - I'm a 40 y.o. American. Which of these places do you think offers the best opportunity for what I'm looking for? Which has the most beautiful girls? Which has girls who are least hung up on age differences? Where among these places is it easiest to find what I'm looking for? Based on what I've read and seen on the net, I'm leaning towards Jakarta. Those Indonesian/Malay girls are just so beautiful. But are they easily attainable for more than just short time?
Crazy questions, I know. Appreciate any advice you can give.

[Flying Scotsman]

To bangkok Jim.... definitely no offence taken....in fact, to say i agree with you would be an understatement, for someone who has a Filipina wife and a filipina g/f in the UK, and several regulars in the Phils :) you could say im addicted..!!

keep up the great posts.

The Flying Scotsman

[Travel to Monger]

Macauman,

The original religious war, Thai Girls vs. Filipinas, with a new twist thrown in just to make sure that none of us will agree, the exotic Indo girls.

In your post, you focused solely on the girls themselves, if this is your only selection criteria I would say that the Filipinas are by far your best choice. However, I would also recommend that you take into consideration each of the countries infrastructure, safety and possibly activities other than mongering. When you take all of these into account, the choice of the Phils is less of a slam dunk.

I have hobbied in The Phils and in Thailand, but my only experience with Indo girls has been in Singapore and Hong Kong. I have always found that these exotic delights are more appealing when enjoyed in their home country, so my experience with the Indo girls is not equivalent with my Thai and Filipina experiences. By the way, if your only Asian hobbying experiences are with Chinese pros, you are going to very pleasantly surprised by level of GFE you will get out of the Filipinas.

Addressing your question individually.

“What I am looking for is a girlfriend experience…” I think that this is a slam dunk factor in favor of the Filipinas. The problem with the Thais and the Indo girls is that by the time they have sufficient English language skills for a true GFE, they have been in the business too long, and they have heard so many bull-shit lines from foreigners that they can’t help but being jaded. With the Filipinas, you can literally be the first foreigner that these girls have ever boom-boomed, and they still have adequate English skills. The Filipinas are so tuned into American pop culture that they usually know more of what is going on in pop music than I do.

Another factor that makes it much easier to find the GFE in the Phils is the simple fact that many of the girls in the business are there specifically with the intent of marrying a foreigner and emigrating to the West. Most of these Filipinas do not even think of themselves as being prostitutes, and would actually be seriously upset if they realized how most of the Westerners view them. On the other hand, the Thais do not share this desire to move to the West, they are very nationalistic and they are much more focused on the financial aspects of the business. As they say in Thailand, “Their business is pleasure, and their pleasure is business.”

“Which has the most beautiful girls? “ Personally, I would give this one to the Thai girls. They tend to be smaller wasted and smaller boned that the Filipinas or the Indo girls. That is to say, that if you go into go-go bar with 100 girls in the Phils or Thailand, I think that a higher percentage of the girls will be stunners in Thailand. But I actually don’t think that is a matter of importance, we don’t need 100 stunners in a bar, we need 1 or 2 or 3, how ever many we are going bar-fine and in my experience there is always plenty of extremely beautiful girls in all of the larger go-go bars in the Phils or in Thailand. In your post you mention that you find the Indonesian/Malay girls to be beautiful, are you aware that the Philippinos are also of Malay decent? Another factor that I like about the Phils over Thailand is that the Thais, although often very beautiful, tend to look very similar. In contrast, the Filipinas from the various provinces tend to have significantly different features which contributes to more of a sense of variety.

“Which has girls who are least hung up on age differences? “ I am not sure that the age thing is really an issue in any of the countries; it certainly is no problem in the Phils where it is very common to see 50 or 60 year old foreigners with 20 year old non-bar girls.

As I mentioned previously, you may also want to take into account some factors in addition to the girls. I would give Thailand the top marks for transportation infrastructure, food, cultural activities, and safety. Obviously Indonesia, especially in the areas with large numbers of Westerners such as Jakarta and Bali, is potentially more dangerous than Thailand or the areas frequented by sex tourist (Angeles, Manila and Cebu) in the Phils.

The bottom line is that you can’t go wrong in Pattaya or Angeles, your biggest problem is going to be choosing amongst the 100s of girls who would love to join you on your holiday.

Let us know how it goes,

Travel to Monger (Bangkok Jim)

Better Loving Through Chemistry; San Miguel Beer, Vitamin V and Filipinas

[Macauman]

Travel to Monger,
Thanks for the advice. It looks like the Phils will definitely be at the top of my agenda!

[Jamal]

Travel to Monger


Excellent posts. You raised a number of issues I've been mulling over. I'm a bit younger than most, finishing my MBA hoping to work for an IB that has offices in the Phils. I was hoping to snag a honey-ko and if I can find the right one make a wife of her. You have definately articulated some things I need to think about. I'll be making my first trip to the Phils the coming March. I may pay a visit to that IB office there see if they'll pay me a decent rate to start there then migrate back to the U.S. later. Well enough of my life story. Thanks for the posts, keep them coming.

Jamal

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[GoodEnough]

Travel to Monger:
Thanks for your accurate and articulate post. In general, I would agree with your conclusions, however, as one who is just experiencing the Philippines long-term for the first time, I have found the Filipinas (of the non-bar girld variety) much more jealous than their counterparts in Thailand> As you said however, the Thais are much more mercenary than the ladies here.

I would like to weigh in on behalf of Indonesia, where I spent several years. It's true that the general lack of English language skills severely limits the ability to interact with the ladies. On the other hand, most of the university-educated women have adequate English, and they too are readily available to the horny foreign mail. Just walking into a large department store, restaurant, office or other gathering place, and chatting pleasantly with an attractive lady is often enough to gain you a partner for the week-end. Like the Filipinas, these ladies are mainly looking for an alternative to local men, and money is not a pressing issue. I would rate the Filipina vs. Indonesian issue as a toss up. Further, unless you find a university-educated girl in the Philippines (admittedly not a difficult task) the English language skills are likely to be pretty limited as well if you seek to go beyond very basic communications. Finally, given the recent spate of ethnic violence in the Philippines, and the glut of violent kidnapping of foreigners for ransom, I'm not sure that Indonesia is any more dangerous.

I do agree with your point about the physical variety of Filipinas from various provimces, but would like to point out that you find the same sort of diversity in Indonesia; perhaps to an even greater extent.

[CanContrib]

goodenough wrote:> [...] given the recent spate of ethnic violence in the philippines, and the glut of violent kidnapping of foreigners for ransom [...]

huh? *what* "glut of violent kidnapping of foreigners"? why haven't i heard of that on the news or in the papers or on the street _here_in_phils_? true there was the abu sayef nonsense down in mindanao a few _years_ ago and there's the mnla (or whatever) in the mountains who seem to have a deal with the government to behave in exchange for their lives, but really, you would go _there_ looking for trouble anyway?

yes, there have been some kidnappings recently - after all they have to fund the election campaigns somehow, but those were 100% (read: *all*) filipinos. most of those were chinese filipinos since they don't complain, they just pay. further, since they caught the doctor leading one of the major kidnapping groups and a few others, the whole mess seems to have virtually stopped now.

we have this ongoing debate, asawa ko & i. she thinks i'm a prime candidate for kidnapping. she's probably right if she's thinking about me being kidnapped and raped by attractive horny young filipinas, and that might just be a real factor in her opinion. but kidnap a *foreigner* for ransom? create an international incident guaranteed to get the kidnappers dead fast? they're not that stupid! they want money, not their funeral. that's why those not already hunted down now pick on low-profile family people to maybe extort 50,000pesos (translation: less than $1000us) with minimal hassle. you should worry more about being accused of j-walking by the mmda (translation: manila traffic cops).

everyone who lives here that i talk to agrees that obvious (non-chinese) foreigners are probably safer in phils than in north american city centers, always of course excepting truly stupid people who are never safe anywhere.

the wife of course prefers that i don't talk to cute female neighbours in front of our house, just in case.

[Flying Scotsman]

CanContrib nice report. Humorous and very true..!!

[GoodEnough]

CanContrib:

I agree that the threat is not substantial for foreigners. However, I did have a white, American colleague who was kidnapped last year, physically mutiliated and eventually released after his company paid a ransom. Not only that, but he was taken from an upscale shopping mall, in the middle of the day in Makati. Obviously whoever took him didn't "know better." The threat is marginal, but it does exist.

[Pinay Lover]

Need some advice, guys.

I found out one of my managers niteowls as a high price escort. Caught her in the act during a KTV night with some prospective Korean clients. As one of my best managers, her performance had dropped the past couple of weeks and has given her notice. I tried talking to her but all she can say is about saving face and the shame it could bring to the family. This girl comes from a very good family, a top private school and college and good credentials. Last person you'd expect to be an escort. So far, I am the only one in the comapny that knows. Nor am I telling.

Any advice on how I could talk her out of quitting or at least ease her mind that her alternate life is safe with me. Filipinas can be so stubburn at times and single minded.

[Genuis8]

PinayLover,

Is her performance as a manager in your company very good that you want to keep her? Then call her in for a heart-to-heart talk. Tell her that her secret is totally safe with you, and not to quit right away. Ask her to keep up her prior work quality in the office, and as far as you're concerned, her extra work outside your company is her own private business.

Tell her that there is no need to save face and keep the shame from her family, because you are not going to tell anyone else. And there is no need for her to quit, because you really value her contribution to your company.

[Firedick]

I would do exactly what genuis8 said with the addition of a promotion. This demonstrates your sincere desire to keep her. You may get away with a title change with no or a token increase in pay.

Good luck.

FD

[Pinay Lover]

Thanks, FD and genius,

Since I couldn't talk to her at work, I visited her this past weekend at her house. Met her mom and family. Oldest of five and bread winner of the family. Her Mom just retired last year. Dad passed away a couple of years ago. Too make things short. I was able to talk to her about staying. She was reluctantl and agreed to listen. I asked her if she has plans to get out of her "other" job but regretably she still needs it to make ends meet.

I found out her Madame get 50% of the take. And they charge the client (mostly koreans and japanese) anywhere from P 5,000 and up. Boy, those guys sure know how to hurt the market. And she only works two to four clients only per month. Now knowing how much she makes and needs, I made her an offer. A promotion and a modest increase in her salary. Plus part-time jobs for her two younger sisters after school in another department to help her out. I'm glad to let you know that she took it. Her sisters start orientation next week and she will ask her madame to remove her from the listing.

Thanks for all your help guys. It is truly appreciated.

[Ilongo_boy]

You're a GOOD man PL. Cheers!
IB

[Cheapskate]

Pinay Lover, you are a man with a BIG HEART, and you will be blessed.

I also wish to thank Firedick and Genius8 for coming to your aid as soon as they did.

[Sainter]

Here, here well done dude. At least you guys here have a bigger heart than my compatriots in the Thailand section. :)

[Pinay Lover]

Thanks guys, appreciate your support.

Speaking about Thailand. Yes, the women there are much cuter, sexier and prettier than their filipina counter parts. But when it comes to having sex, the experience with filipinas is, in my opinion, more realistic. Another plus is that most filipinas speak a decent to fluent english.

And those guys on the Thai Board are really hard on their women.

[Firedick]

You are welcome Pinay Lover. I'm very glad to hear that things worked out. I wish we had more nice guys like you as Expats.

FD

PS: If it is appropriate to post your business, do so. I'm sure a few of us could send you some business. You may have to do it on the personal ads board to keep Jackson happy.

[Genuis8]

PinayLover,

I am glad to see that you found a creative solution to her problem by providing extra work for her siblings. This is a good sign of a decent woman who did escorting due to financial needs, and is looking for a way out. My kudos to you and Firedick on his excellent suggestion.

[Cute_Tsinito]

haven't been to this forum in a while. but after reading some of the posts, just wanted to add some comments about the kidnapping situation. kidnappers will take anyone that they think they can make money off of. it doesn't matter whether the person is chinese or caucasian--as in the case with that american guy that goodenough mentioned. i recall from the papers that there was also another case where there was even a video made of some poor expat's ear being cut with scissors to expedite his company's ransom payment.

so it it not really correct to think that kidnappers are worried that they will cause some sort of "international incident." only the philippine department of finance department right now cares about foreign opinion. kidnappers only care about being paid ransom money.

it is always best to be prudent in all situations. have read recently in some competing sites of foreign guys wandering around in the cubao area trying out some clubs. thats really foolish...

[GoodEnough]

I too haven't visited here in a while so this is the first I heard of Pinay Lover's solution to the problem of the young lady. Way to go man! You have probably created the opportunity she and her family needed for a decent life. I'm sure you're changed her life and that of her family forever, and that you helped them gain some dignity for which they will be forever grateful.

[Pinay Lover]

Thanks Goodenough,

I'm glad to let you guys know that the new marketing manager is adjusting very well to her new promotion. She is back to par at 110% and her sisters are working out in their new positions rather well.

Now I can concentrate on my hobby that many of us in this board share. With the school session coming to a close in a month or two, there will be a influx of college students out there pretty soon.

[GoodEnough]

Pinay Lover:

I will be coming to Manila tomorrow and staying for a couple of nights. If you're there and you want to hang out a bit, drop me a PM and let me know how to contact you. I'm glad that the situation with you Marketing Manager worked out for the best. You created an excellent solution that helped her salvage her pride and dignity.

[Pinay Lover]

Goodenough,

My timing really must suck the past couple of months. I'm sorry to inform you that I'll be leaving for Thailand, the land of smiles. First thing Monday morning. I'll be there for the week before heading for the States (San Francisco) fo attend a company meeting (and file my taxes, too). Go see my Mom across the Bay while I'm over there as well.

I'm really going to miss the Philippines while I'm gone but I'll make it up in Thailand. It has been a couple of years since I've been there so I know there has been some changes. Probably put up a post or two in the Thai board once I'm done.

Enjoy your stay in Manila and thanks for the tip about the place across the street from the LA Cafe. Did not notice it before. Cute girls.

[GoodEnough]

Pinay Lover:

Too bad about the lousy timing, but I will be here for quite a while. As to Thailand, I've spent a couple of months there this year after a hiatus of about 5 years and was struck by how little the place had changed in regard to the sex scene. Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza were all pretty much as I had remembered them. Some bars have closed, others have opened, but plus ca change plus que la meme chose. In a sense, I think I enjoy the Philippines more from that standpoint. It's less overtly commercial here, a little more gentile, and everyone speaks some English. The Thai girls may be prettier, but the Filipinas are enthusiastic and anxious to please.

[Pinay Lover]

Goodenough,

Your right about Thailand still being the same. After two years. Not much has changed at all. Most of the clubs are still here and the women as aggressive in the streets as ever. Price is slightly higher but can't complain about how they made these into a business venture that was targeted for the likes of me.

Called one of my old contacts from Soi Cowboy but said she was already booked for the week. She referred me to a couple of her friends and sent them to meet meat the lobby of the hotel I was staying. She did not disappoint me. Thai girls are so cute especially with their long black silky hair. Picked one of them called Titi, about a 7 or 8, a petite slim (size 2 or 3) 22 y.o. Had to giggle about that. Great in bed and had her come over for the past couple of days. Alternated with her other freind Mai about a 7, who is 20 .y.o., a little chunkier and great BBJ. Enjoyed the nightlife with the two of them these whole week.

Thailand is commercial enough and is out in the open. But the GFE is not the same as thePhilippines. At times I can tell the girls were faking the moans and their comments, rehearsed. Too bad they wouldn't let me take their pictures naked for fear of me "selling" them. But I do have a few having a good time out in the town.

On Sunday, I'll be leaving for California for a week or so. Already I miss my girls in the PI. But, I'm sure they'll be happy to see me when I return with some "pasalubongs" from the States. Can't wait to return to Manila. Enjoy your stay in Davao and stay safe.

[GoodEnough]

Pinay Lover:

I think the thing that ennervates me about Thailand is that the girls' English is so limited, and they all learn the same lines and expect the same responses from all the clients. At least here in the Philippines, there's a possiblity of making contact at some level beyond (or in addition to) sex. Also, the action here, at least as it appears to me, is less overtly commercial than in Thailand, aside from the bar scene that is.

I have learned from Dragon Slayer that encountering middle class, articulate Filipinas is reasonbly simple in chat rooms, and the follow up is pretty simple as well. I doubt that, for an English speaker, a similar situation would exist in Thaland. All told, I've been meeting a different class of women lately here, and enjoying the whole experience a bit more.

Have a good trip to the US.

GE

[Pinay Lover]

Goodenough,

Arrived late Sunday night in SFO and it is cold and rainy. Quite a different weather experience now eventhough I was born and raised in The Bay Area. Feeling horny as hell and no place to go. Miss my girls in the PI already.

Speaking about english. I never had any problems communicating with the filipinas. Some were real rough and with a heavy accent while on the opposite spectrum, some were real fluent. Of course it also depends on the class of women you ick up and meet. But, in Thailand, english speaking girls are quite hard to find. Hard to maintain a decent conversation. One of the girls I spent the week with spoke very good english but seemed to learn the colorful adjectives and cussed in every sentence. Got her to control it because it got real tired real quick. Other than that, had a great time in Thailand.

I've hooked up with a few women on the internet while in Makati. Some was good, so-so and never again. Plus it takes some investment in time which is hard for me to come by with the last couple of months. I do not hit the mongering scene as much lately since I've been seeing my regulars by texting them. Or hooking up with my little Cebuana while in the Visayan region.

I'll be back sometime in the middle of next week and would be heading to Cagayan de Oro and Butuan City for some business for a few days. I might fly there since one of my girls I called said a ferry caught on fire.

Enjoy your new experiences and keep it up. Hope to hook up with you in Davao one of these days.

PL

[JT]

Hello fellas,
This is my first reply in the Philippines section of this site. I have mongered in Europe, South America, and Mexico. I just got back today from my first trip to the PI and I am absolutely flaggergasted at how sensual and sexy the Filipinas were. They rocked my world! So far, the PI has IMHO the best GFE's in the world! I totally can see why so many Westerners go there and marry. They have to be the sweetest girls on the planet. I can't wait until I return in a few months. I hit EDSA in Manila and Angeles City. I only had positive experiences with the Filipinas I encountered.

[Firedick]

JT,

Welcome to our world ! :)

FD

[JT]

Thanks FD,
I will definitely be coming back. Everyone is so friendly there. Have you been to the LOS? How do the women compare?

[Firedick]

Fellow mongers. I could have put "IMHO" in front of all the below, but that would have gotten old. It is all just my opinion.


JT,

Since you're a "newbie" I'll let you off easy.

Questions such as this one, that have been asked and answered hundreds of times on this board are not appreciated. Don't be lazy. Read past reports. The search function will help narrow things down for you.

Now, that said, since you asked me directly: I have been to the LOS 15-20 times. I find Thai girls just as beautiful as the Filipinas (some will say more so), but I also find them more mercenary. They do not love you, no matter how convincing the reverse may seem. It is just about the Baht. Most of the Thai girls also speak only a bit of English. Usually not a problem unless you want them to hang around more than a night.

I find the big advantages of Thailand are more about the country than the girls. Great culture and history, superior infrastructure (although improving a bit in the RP) and cuisine.

Filipinas are far better for your ego. Not just the pros but all. Girls throughout the country have raised flirting to an artform.
I also find the bar scene far more playful in the RP. When you barfine a girl in the RP, they seem to convince themselves that they are your "girlfriend for a night" rather than just someone to get you off.

A case in point. When you BF a Thai BG and ask her what she'd like to do, she will most likely say "Go shopping". Ask the same of a Filipina BG and she will probably say "Go bar hopping".

Good luck,

FD

[JT]

Thanks Firedick for the info. Gees, you didn't have to bit my head off. I just asked for YOUR opinion. I am not lazy and have read numerous opinions from many guys. I just wanted to see your perceptions. I have mongered extensively in other countries and get the same question over and over and still answer it over and over.

JT

[Firedick]

JT,

And here I thought I was pretty gentle.

My apologies if you thought I was biting your head off.

FD

[GoodEnough]

Pinay Lover:

It's true about the ferry. It blew up, and killed more than 100 people and no one seems to know why, or at least no one is saying anything for public consumption. As to mongering, I understand what you mean. It's so easy here to establish a team of regulars that it's often not worth the effort to go fishing for more. I have recently however, found a couple of new places in Davao that are worth the effort.

Don't envy you the cold and the rain. I think I'm getting too old for the bay area and for cold weather in general. The weather here is getting slowly ever warmer, with a lot of rain.

Let me know when and/or if you ever get to Davao.

GE

[Miao28]

The GFE of the Filippina is such an artform.

My experience with them is that they would SMS you everyday with all kind of love notes and then ask you for small favors like reloading their cellphones etc.

Sometimes I get a standardized message saying that they couldn't get through to me, not knowing that a few weeks previously they have sent an identical message. Obviously they must have a template of messages that they sent to all their so called boyfriends.
It is no point asking a Filippina if they have boyfriends. Most would not admit it. When you ask them why their telephone is always having a busy signal, they would say they are calling their family. As if they have so much to chat with their family.

But in the end, it is the ego massage that a Filippina provides. It is second to none. They really seem to mean what they say. Or is it a fiction of imagination that the guy wants to accept?

[JT]

Miao,
You are absolutely right. I never meet such sensual women in my entire life. Not in Africa, Europe, South America, and certainly NOT in N. America! Filipinas are really sweet and old fashioned. I love it. It kind of reminds me of what American woman had to of been like prior to the 1960's. The PI is definitely worth the 30 hours it takes to travel there, even for just a few days! Pics just don't do these girl's justice.

[GoodEnough]

JT:

It's true. The Thais may be slightly sexier as are the Vietnamese I think, but no one is sweeter, more romantic and more in the moment than these ladies. I doubt that American women were ever quite so loving and quite so good in bed.

[Intransit]

Gents,

I would certainly agree that Filipinas are better than Thais, although this is very much a personal preference. I know some guys who swear by Thais. I don't see the attraction. Although I've had some great experiences with Thai girls outside of Thailand, i.e. saunas in Macau, I've never had anybody that I'd consider above good in Thailand.

I'm just about to dump my Filipina girlfriend of two years. She's the fuck of the century and the sexiest thing that's ever shared my bed...but, although she's 10 years my junior, she acts more like 15 years my junior (which would make her about 15). Her big ambition is to be with me full-time. Well, I've been married and I'm not going to do that again. She could do quite a bit in terms of making her own way, but she doesn't. I'm tired of supporting her. She tells me she's bored--well, do something about it. If she came to be with me (I live in a non-English-speaking Asian country), she'd either have to learn the language, or I have to be a babysitter all the time. If I wanted a kid, I'd have one.

This may be an ongoing problem if you have an ongoing relationship with a Filipina. The sex, geezus, it's like having your own personal porn star, complete with body. They may take a mouthful of your cum and then run off to go to church, but at least you get the first part. If you're looking for a traditional cooking-cleaning-taking care of the kids wife that also takes it in the ass, then the Philippines is the place for you. However, if you're looking for more of a partner, someone who's going to have a life of their own, unless you start banging Filipina movie stars and singers, you're probably going to be disappointed.

[Sun Devil]

I have noticed a difference between Filipinas raised in the US and those in the PIs. American Filipinas tend to be more independent and self-assured whereas those raised in the Philippines are more subservient.

As a rule, I second the notion of what Intransit is saying, Filipinas raised in the PIs are loving and very family oriented but you have to think for them, advised them all the time of what to do, and they have low self-confidence in trying to do things by themselves.

If you are the type of man who likes to tell their significant others on what to do and how to think 24/7, then the Filipina is for you.

It was a nice confidence booster that my opinion was asked all the time by a former Filipina girlfriend initially but it became tiring later on since I am used to more independent chicks.

[GoodEnough]

Intransit:

In general, I agree with you. The problem is that after the sex wears off, there's nothing much left except to lust after someone with whom you haven't slept before. The exception may be college education women from fairly middle class families. My experience is that these girls are more independent, brighter and more inquisitive, and are still wonderful in bed. Of course, you still have the same problem with them wondering where the "relationship" is going. I have a friend who believes that the answer is to always have 3 girls friends: a number 1, with whom you spend Saturday night and one night during the week; a number 2, who gets Friday night and another night during the week; and a "rotating" number 3 who shares your bed whenever you're tired of the other two. It seems to work for him.

As to Filipinas raised in the US; they're Americans. No different really from other American women.

[JT]

Thanks for the great information guys. "Young grasshopper is learning much".

[Spidey]

I agree with GE. The girls in Makati are almost like the American girls in the states, b/c they are working, highly educated, and free thinkers. I find them to be very sharp, demanding, and independent. Prices are Makati can be almost the same as States prices. There are higher standard, so the prices are higher.

If you don't like this, then you have to go to the outskirt of the city, or to the provinces, where the girls are more submissive.

[Kencal MD]

I do think that the Filipinas are the most submissive women in Asia followed by the Japaneses and Thais.

In terms of sex Filipinas are better than all the others and they like to please.

[Genuis8]

Please dont make the mistake of thinking that filipinas are submissive. They may seem submissive but the truth is they are very passionate (remember the spanish bolld & influence for 400 years) and could blow up anytime. Treat them like decent people and they will respond accordingly.

[Marconista]

Beautiful or not?

There are discussions in the forum about the beauty of the Pinay and there is a saying "The beauty is in the eye of the ... (something), right? What you may find beautiful may not be so from another mans point of view. I think this differs from where you come from.

To me, the native filipina is more beautiful than a chinese-filipina, but when I discuss this with filipino men, they have the opposite opinion.

Why is that?
I shall try to answer from what I learned from the pinoy gentlemen I work with, and I would invite you to discuss this.

The filipino men look for something different, as what is pure pinoy and beautiful to a scandinavian is an ordinary girl to them. They would call the girls in LA Cafe, EDSA and Bourgos "exotic" and not beautiful at all, catering only to foreigners.
They would prefer places that caters to mostly pinoys, as the girls there would look chinese or even european. And those european looking girls that I have seen in RP is not beautiful when viewed through a europeans eye.

So how do you look upon the beauty of a pinay?
If from Asia?
If from India?
If from Europe?
If from USA?
If from South America?
If from ???

BTW, did you know that the Japanese men not married to a japanese, mostly are married to Brazilien ladies, and then Pinays comes as a good number 2. Good taste they have, the Japanese!

Peace

[Pinay Lover]

Marconista,

I, too prefer the more native pinay woman. Darker skin tones and not much of an chinese-filipina. When people from other countries watch a show from the Philippines, many say they look chinese or are of a lighter complexion. And when they come here, what they see on TV or the movies is totally different.

To my filipino co-worker, my cebu girl is typical or Alright in his view. And while my former Ex-GF (White-Sioux) is drop dead gorgeous. To me my Cebu girl is fine as she can be while my ex was pretty. Ask most filipino men who they would like to be with and many would quote foreign women models or actresses or light skinned filipinas. Go check out their local issue of FHM and see who the men in the Philippines desires.

Maybe that is why I like the girls out in the provinces over the city girls in Makati/Manila.

[Three I]

White skin is God to some Asians!

[Undray]

Hey Guys

What are the odds of me finding a nice, smart, pretty fillpina chick for possible marriage in Manila? Manila and the surrounding cities to be exact...

If I am lucky enough to find that, will the Philippine government give me a hard time wtih marriage licenses? I know they do in Brazil, but I don't know about the Philippines.

Thanks

Undray

[Pinay Lover]

Undray,

Odds of finding a nice girl willing to get married in the Philippines is pretty good in your favor. And for her, too. Check the Yahoo site and you'll find a lot of them there. Spend some time in Manila and no doubt many would fall (latch on) for you. Many foreigners marry a filipina so that they can buy property sinces foreigners are not allowed to purchase land.

Getting a marriage license from city hall is not a problem as long as the girl is over 25. Anything under will need the consent of parent or guardian but almost anyone will do. The fee is under P500 and is a civil marriage where if your lucky and a judge is available, you can get married on the spot for a couple of hundred pesos more. Rings are required. Grab any two city clerks as witnesses and tip them just to be nice. Church weddings are a little tougher to schedule.

Have fun and explore outside Manila to get the whole perspective on the many different women available.

[GoodEnough]

Undray:

I would say that your chances are excellent. Your biggest challenge will be whom to select. I doubt that the authorities here will present a problem so long as you pay them for "special favors" which is part of the expatriate way of life here. There are loads of bureaus here specializing in finding brides for foreigners, and many of the ladies here prefer foreign men. I doubt it would take you very long to connect.

Good luck.

GE

[Desert]

Undray:

The only other thing you will need to do is obtain a to a "Certificate of Legal Capacity to Contract Marriage" before filing an application for a marriage license. Generally, this certificate states that there are no legal impediments to you getting married in the Philippines (like you have another wife).

In the case of the US there is no central database that keeps marriage records. Thus, in the case of the US (and I am sure other countries), the Philippine Government accepts an "Affidavit in Lieu of a Certificate of Legal Capacity to Contract Marriage."

[Firedick]

Undray,

If you are a resident of the U.S. do not marry her until you get into the states. A fiancee' visa is far easier to get than a spousal visa. Seems wrong, but it is the case. Fiancee' visas are good for 3 months. Once you are married (within those 3 months), the lady is allowed to reside in the states until her final spousal approval is granted. It will take almost a year for the fiancee' visa and up to 6-8 months longer for the permanent spousal.

Good luck

FD

[Undray]

Hey Guys,

Thanks alot for your kind advice. I was wondering, Should I stay in Manila(and surrounding cities) and try to find a decent girl, or should I try my luck in Cebu?

Any advice on these two places guys?

Thanks again

Undray

[GoodEnough]

Undray:

Either is a good choice, as are five or six other places. Why don't you start corresponding with a few chicks from the net and then go where the girls sound most interesting? The round trip from Manila to Cebu via Cebu Pacific is only about $100 in any case, so it's easy to get back and forth.Manila and its environs are going to be more expensive for you than Cebu, just from the perspective of hanging out.

Good luck.

GE

[King Arthur]

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In response to
Three X
"White skin is God to some Asians!"
_____________________________

A more accurate observation is that the color of money is "god" to whichever girl is indigent.

Show me a monger without money and I'll show you a monger who doesn't get laid.

[Three I]

Hey buddy I am only about peace! I wasn't trying to flam.

[Uninfun]

Filipinos- my experience

I had a long term relationship with a girl who was from the Phillipines and here about ten years. She and all her girlfriends met guys through pen pal serves, married, then were divorced in a few years. All of them. (matter of fact the only couple she knew that was 20+ years was a guy who married a Thai girl, and he told me he went though a lot of hell with her).

Anway, the good stuff first. Very sexual and will do most anything if you ease her into it. Loving, caring, takes reasonably good care of the house and kids. It's like having a size one sex kitten around the house.

The bad stuff. Very Very Jelous and moody. Mabey it's the spanish influence, because that's what it reminds me of.

The Filipinos call it "TAMPO" and it's like dealing with temper tantrums. She was too needy as well, and had issues if you go somewhere without her. Her girlfiends were the same way just in varying degrees. You are definately not dealing with an independent woman. I broke it off with her after nearly five years because she was over the top jealous.


At the time we broke up her 22 year old niece was engaged to a 36 year old guy and looking forward to moving near here. They do not care about age differences at all. They are very attached to their family.

If you visit a girl in the Phillippines be prepared for their family to show up with her to pick her up. You are marrying the family and she'll be on the phone with them alot (which I think is good because it helped her stay close to them). She will need to send money (usually they all send a couple hundred bucks a month). You will regularly hear "Auniti x says...." "Cecila says..." "Uncle Ferndando says..." Family and friends reguarly tell them what to do. I think it's a cultural thing.

If a filipino shows tampo early get rid of her. I strongly suggest you bring her over on a finace visa and live with her for six months BEFORE marrying her.

The filipina girls will literally hit on you at the malls in Cebu if you just sit at the food court. It's never a problem to meet them. Several of her girlfriends used to complain how hard it was finding a white and single guy in Cebu!

Overall, it could be a good choice if you get a girl without the temper tantrums. That's my input. Hope it helps.

[Spidey]

King A,

A more accurate observation is that the color of money is "god" to whichever girl is indigent.

>>Yes, you might get it free for a while, but the bottom line is money, or citizenship.

Show me a monger without money and I'll show you a monger who doesn't get laid

>>I know of some guys who lives in SE asia, and don't have much money. First, they don't get much play, b/c they are not willing to pay tourist prices. They get some, but not for free, unless they have a gf, which they don't want, b/c then they can play with other girls.

Everybody that is mongering in Asia, or other countries, are there temporary, or on vacation. If they have to stay longer, they will have a different views, and will not spend like the way the spend vacationing. I can guaranteed that!

Sometime, I think it is like the western girls, but everything take a little longer, b/c they are dependent on you, first. From support to leaving you. Trust me, they have agenda, and plans. Some of them are not as simple as you think.

This is my opinion, and what I view.

[GoodEnough]

Spidey:

You're correct on several fronts. For years, I visited the Philippines on occassional business, and I spent like a tourist because I didn't really have enough time to get to know the non-tourist places, or the "non-tourist" women. Now I live here, and the picture, the pace, and the expectations are completely different. Neither is more "correct" than the other because each reflects a different perspective.

Most of the guys I know who have settled here without jobs, and have reasonably limited means, are still far more well-to-do than the locals, and consequently, they get laid a lot. Again however, their expectations and desires are different and they're not obsessessed with getting as much pussy as possible as often as possible.

You're also correct that there's not such thing as a "free lunch" here, and I doubt that there is anywhere. I think that, in most cases, the agendas of the women here are more fixated on being well-treated, finding someone who is nice to them, and having a good time with someone who will enjoy being with them outside the bedroom as well. From the standpoint of the Westerner, this does cost money; probably as much (or perhaps more) than paying directly for sex. Again, I think the route you choose is driven more by what you're looking for than the search for free or commcercial sex.

GoodEnough

[Bilbo Baggins]

I agree with Uninfun's report.

Filipina's are taught not to display their temper or bad emotions so their only way to express those emotions is to go mag-tampa, that is to sulk.

When I was travelling aroung the Philippines I met a French man who told me he was researching Philipino culture and in all of the world the Philippines had the highest incidents of the berserker. Culturally they have to be nice to each all the time and they bottle it up until one day they explode and go berserk or run amok. So you have to stroke their ego's like little children. If they start sulking you have to sweet talk them out of it if you can.

In my opinion it seems the Filipino's chief value is getting along with each other (pakikisama) While for us Australians being straight or 'fair dinkum' as we say it with your friends is our chief value. If you get mad and tell them off they don't hear it, all they see is an unseemly display of emotions and they are embarrased by it. Especially in public lose it with them and they think you might be going berserk.

I once had a public quarrel with a mate and everybody ducked for cover thinking we were going berserk as they never saw such a public display of temper like that but after we told each other what we thought of the other for about fifteen minutes we sat down and had a drink and were best friends again. Everybody was talking about it because we scared them. "Australians are really weird people, nice, strange and weird with no manners". We express it and get it out of our system they keep it in and for the woman it is expressed as being moody or sulking.

Their honour is more important than the truth so they will lie through their teeth in order not to lose face so don't put them in a position where they will lose face. If you are going to have a long term relationship with a filipina understanding the cultural forces at work in them will save you a lot of grief. It won't hurt you to help a sibling get an education and you make the world a better place all for some good sex not bad is it?

Bilboa

[T Poet]

I prefer girls with some color and some body where can I get plenty of action threesomes and with some color? from previous threads it seems like Angeles city or Cebu how is the prices compared to Manila and where to stay that is girl freindly. Appreciate help my mongers.

[CharminFun]

Cebu is pussy capital outside Manila. Try the massage parlors (findland, Ceasar's Palace, pricey, etc.) it is a sure thing. 1000 for fs. Outcall massage is relaxing and safe they go to your room. See classified ads on local paper. 500 for massage, 500 for hj. 1000 for fs. Downtown is pimpland. Try the area near University of San Carlos. They will approach you after dark, you get a room, bring protection. Clubs will get you the high-end chicks, up to 4000 pesos. Have Fun.

Bacolod city is an option. Try the goldenfieds area near the casino. Young Chicks for 800 pesos, from pimps. Anything else in the city is pretty much boring.

[Uninfun]

Never been to Cebu, but my ex who's from just south of there was mentioning some of the same things. She was complaining how the girls throw themselves at guys to the point they'll knock on your door if you tell them where your staying. Remember, to them, you're a prize. Many women dream of getting out and marrying a foreigner, they love the idea of mixed kids.

In any event, to follow up the prior comment about filipinas, the best way I found to talk them out of tampo is to sweet talk them. Just ignore what they say and try to sweet talk em out of it. I finally got tired of dealing with too much aggravation, but it worked for a while. They are seriously centerd around their family to the point that they either are the advisor, or listen to advice.

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[GoodEnough]

Going to Cebu for the first time next week, and if it's even better than Davao, I will really love the place. As to Uninfun's point about Filipina's temper tantrums, I think most of it stems from jealousy. There's a lot of competition here for foreign men, and girls do not like it when someone else steps into their preserve. I try to just ignore it, and if it gets too aggravating, I drop the girl telling her she sounds too much like a wife. The jealousy thing is infectious though, and I have seen it wherever I've traveled here. Go with a girl twice and she thinks of herself as your girlfriend, even if you're completely honest and try to explain that you will not give exclusive rights to anyone. Lucky for us, it's a buyer's market and for every girl who sulks there are four or five more trying to get your attention. Most of the girls just want to get the hell out of here and find someone who will take care of them.

[Vaquero]

Filipinas are uniquely exotic with their mix of Spanish and Asian ancestries. The sheen of their black hair, the fullness of their lips, the honey manila tone of their skin: All this can make a man stop and savor life.

Filipinas can also cook quite well and often display a surprising zeal for sexually pleasing their men.

That being said, they're also often very jealous, money-hungry, conniving and mysteriously ill-tempered. Here in NY, they share a reputation with dominicanas for being blinded by the pursuit of green. You can take the girl out of the favela, they say, but you can't take the favela out of the girl.

And yet I find myself still wanting to nail a couple more.

[Migrant One]

Gents,

Just want to say thanks for the info. I'm catching up on this thread. In S Calif and am just becoming involved with a Phillipina. She's very educated and a professional (not working girl professional).

My first wife was Korean so this is different.

Thanks for the insights guys, keep up the good work.

Migrant

[HarryDHo]

Filipinas, Malaysians, or Indonesians:

This question is for those rare people who know all three. I'm asking this question in the Malaysian and Indo sections too. Women from these three countries, in general, look similar. Which do you prefer? I have been to the PI several times and understand Filipinas reasonably well. I worked with a Malaysian woman who looked like she could've been from the PI. She was equally as beautiful but, more "intelligent". I have no experience with Indonesians.

[Bilbo Baggins]

HarryDHo,

They are all from Melanesian stock but different mixes. Thats the extent of my knowledge of all three.

Bilbo

[Geo Daddy]

Inglesia Ni Cristo - chics.

I have been to the Philippines several times (in '98 for a five month extended search for the "perfect" Filipina!) I have since backed off my ambitions, but I noticed something "strange".

Of the 50 or so girls that I met over the years, about 8 out of ten of the really "attractive" ones (my humble scoring) have been members of the Inglesia Ni Cristo Church - not Catholics. I've further noticed that a couple of my guy friends who have taken the plunge with an Inglesia Ni Cristo Chic - have, upon marrying them, been heavily pressured to contribute to the church.

I hate to be a conspiratorial cynic, but I'm thinking that the church (which is really no better than our own tela-evagelist scammers) is actively recruiting young, attractive Filipina and urging them to get things going with us Forty-year Old Farts in order to line the Churches pockets with donations.

Any thoughts on this.

Inglesia Ni Cristo, btw, is that church that looks like a local McDonald's dispensing fast food Christianity all around the P.I.

G

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[Dragon Slayer]

GoeDaddy,

I had two experiences with women of Iglesia ni Cristo over my 15 years (62 trips) to the Phils. Both were gorgeous. Both were under intense pressure from their "church". How did your pals marry without converting? INC is basically a cult of fanatical proportions. I could go on for hours but why bother.

Women oF INC ARE NOT more beautiful than Catholics. Also I can personally vouch for their NOT following their "church" rule against premarital sex. No problem fucking either lady but a relationship was unthinkable unless I was "crazy" enough to convert to this cult. I will try to post nude photos of my INC ladies.

Dragon Slayer

[Pinay Lover]

I'll take an Inglesia ni Cristo Chic any time over an El Shaddai one. But it really turns me off when a fine filipina chic gets into that devout/devoted "religious attitude." Not hating their religious beliefs since I'm Roman catholic myself but there is a time and place when discussing such subjects.

[Mookman]

Inglesia Ni Cristo along with Jehova Witness, Mormons are considered cults by other churches.

One of the big things with INC is that they believe that their church turns into a rocket ship when God comes back, hence you will notice the peaks in the church building with the red light tip.

Mook

[Domino]

I believe I will turn into a rocket shop when God comes back. That is why the top of my dick is red.

What is the religion where Mary wears glasses. Veru common in the Pi.

I remember I was a young and impressionable youth. The Children of God ladies used to fuck me to convert me. Happy days. Don't knock religion: it has its upside as my pocket rocket can attest.

I wish I could get to the Pi. Fucking Thai hookers gets boring. Plus, the pizzas are better in the Pi. Oh well!

[Marconista]

The THING about Inglesia Ni Cristo is that you shall contribute with at least a 10th of your income.

[Mookman]

10th of you income is like every church, it's says in the bible to give a tenth to God, so it's not unique to them. What might make them unique is that since they are a cult that they probably come after you and condemn you to hell for not doing it.

If the INC church does actually have a lot of hotties in their church, I'm sure every monger here will be lined up this sunday for service... haha...

Mook

[Geo Daddy]

Yes, I have heard that - if you do not show up at church at least once a week - church members come by your house and ask you "why?" I also heard that you are charged a "tax" for any service that you may have missed, but some ING chics have denied that.

Hey, I got problems with US tele-evangelists bilking old people of their life savings for a chance at salvation, so I am even more offended when these sharks pick at Filipinos who barely can put food on the table, and the thought of getting hooked into this racket. Well, I would just like to put the issue out there and see if anyone's come up against it (or, at least, be aware of it.)

G

[Jed Wordsmith]

Re: Filipinos, Indonesians and Malaysians.

I'm one of the 'rare ones' who know all three well. Ethnically/ genetically they're of the same stock (though not Melanesian as somebody else said - the race comes from around where Southern China/ Cambodia is now).

The difference between Malaysians and Indonesians is basically a few centuries of Western colonisation. Indonesia use to be a Dutch colony, Malaysia was British. Otherwise the people are basically the same, and even the languages (Bahasa Malaysia and Bahasa Indonesia) are 99% the same.

Filipinos are very closely related ethnically, particularly in the southern parts of the country. However in the Philippines (particularly towards the north) there was more inter-mixing with the Spanish who colonised the country in the past, and also with Chinese from southern China. That's why many northern Filipinos (e.g. from Luzon) are a lot fairer than southern Filipinos, or Malaysians/ Indonesians.

The differences you see have a lot more to do with culture and economic development. The Malaysian woman probably seemed more 'intelligent' because she was better educated, and had better food and healthcare growing up. Malaysia's the most advanced of the three countries economically.

Hope that helps clarify; pm me if you want any more info.

[Geo Daddy]

Hmmm, maybe I ran into more INC chics because I was traveling in the far out provinces, from Pagudpud, thru Isabel, Quezon, Occidental/Oriental Negros, Leyte, Bohol, thru Marawi (no INC or even Christian chics there... but some just as sweet Muslim Filipina with protective fathers and brothers unless you wanna do a Cat Stevens...) I guess if you're major experience is along the "trade" routes... Manila, Angeles and the tourist resorts, you find a far more secular crowd (or far more sophisticate traveler who won't put up wit' and b/s.)

G

[Sho Nuff]

Well I just visited the Philippines in May 12-22. It was my first trip and no I am not some old fat white guy with a lot of bread (money). I am a handsome in-shape (run 4 miles daily) 22 year old Afro-American Working class college student, with a taste for exotic women.

While in my hotel room watching T.V. the first thing, I noticed was the Filipino obsession with white skin this was amazing to me. They will do almost anything to keep their skin from getting dark I know you guys have seen it. The natives carrying umbrellas with no rain insight to block the sun. One thing I knew for sure I would meet racism because of my dark complexion. Even though I got a lot of stares especially in the Glorietta mall I was amazed by how friendly the people were to me man and women, many women did all type of things to get my attention (locals not bar girls). I did meet someone who became like a tour guide and she was everything you guys from this site illustrated about Filipino women. Beautiful, caring, fun and very jealous. After I agreed to let her “hang out with me” any other women who looked at me she gave them what she called “sharp eye.”

So for all my fellow young Afro-American male world travelers out there, there are not many of us, because many of our brethren consider a trip to the local American jail an adventure, go to the Philippines and sit back and let one of those little brown sexy ladies make you feel like a man should. Be nice and respectful and she will give you the world and some, she may try to take you home to meet dad and mom like my friend did.

Goodnight Gentlemen

[Three I]

Hey brother contact me I am going to the P.I. in Dec! PM me if you have time!

[Faust Joe]

Hey,

I'm a brotha who went to the PI, and I agree the people there were very friendly. I to like to travel and would not mind going the next time you guys go. Hopefully it will be sometime at the end year. Hey Wil Kil and Three X, inbox me and lets try to work something out.

[T Poet]

General info question fellas. From what I have been reading to get action at most of the bar clubs you have to pay a Bar fine 1500-3000 peso depending on where your at then fro drinks? and then the grirls asking price? Is this right? I am a non-drinking love to get in the panties type so I am looking for ways to cut costs especially alcohol ones since I don't drink. What is the best way to get in that ass with minimal cost sorry for the begginners question but looking for pro answers.

Thanks again

I hope to have something to contribute in the future.

TP

[Flying Scotsman]

t Poet,

If your talking about Manila, try LA Cafe. You ca drink soft drinks all night, no hassle. You will only meet freelancers there and its up to you to buy them a drink, but its normal bar prices. A lot of the girls dont drink alchohol anyways. the going rate there is 1000 pesos, altho some will go for less.

Have fun

Flying Scotsman

[English Dan]

I have read some of the posts here with some interest as I have gotten somewhat involved with a Phil woman. I never intended for it to happenbut just kind of did. Prior to my trip here last month I began chattin with some girls i met through 2match. I became friends with some different ones and in one case it as a very casual friendship but she really opened up her life to me shortly before I came. Married, 4 kids, her husband basically abandons her and does not work - you know a sad story but she was not trying to manipulate me with her emotions or story. She was not at all looking for a relatoinship as she had only just recently been separated - but did appreciate developing a friendship. This we did and upon meeting her I was so impressed with how classy she was and how easily we got along. I am about 40 and she is 34 and beautiful with a real sweet spirit.

Sparks did fly and we did get romantically involved and she was willing to have sex but I felt we should hold off - though we did other stuff like 69 and so forth.

She really claims a strong attachment now. I am the only other person she has been with other than her husband whom she married at 17. I sense a little bit of an overprotectiveness and maybe even jealousy. She is always asking me if I have other gf's or if when I travel I meet beatiful girls. She has it set up that whenever I go online it will notify her cell phone (SMS) so she can locate me. She is always asking if I chat to other girls and has even asked around 2match if they have chatted with me. Its kind of funny to me since she is still married.

But she sends such lovely messages to me every day and is filled with so much love, faith and hope. She is very transparent and has not asked for money. I am bringing her out to Thailand to meet me for a few days when I travel through in a couple of months. She thinks alot of the future and talks of maybe my being her 'soul mate' and stuff like that. I am really not sure where this has headed. I have told her we need to take it slow and not rush things but she acts 'head over heels'.

Anyway - its probably a common story. my cocern is my natural suspicious mind toward asian girls. I guess I have been to Thailand too many times and heard the I love you routine and you are so special routine too much. So any feedback is appreciated. If some of you in your experience can offer your suggestions as to whether its worth the gamble to keep pursuing it or if it is only going to become a nightmare later - please let me know.

Thanks

Hank

[Wicked SH]

Hank, if my experience is any indication RUN don't walk to the nearest exit.

I met a similar filipina about four years ago. This is in the USA but after dating her I knew alot of them. If you are an independent come and go as you like kinda guy and you probably wouldn't be here if you were not, be very carefull with dating or LTR a filipina. They are very possesive and can be quite irrational. The girl I was with 4 kids and all (kinda wonder if it is the same girl maybe she went back to the islands) would go ballistic if I didn't call during work. If I came home late, if I looked at other women. And heaven help you if you actually flirted. One time she tried to scratch my eyeballs. That was it I left and never looked back.

I would say this was issolated, but I had a couple of cop buddies who married filipinas and they had similar stories as did friends of friends. So unless your the stay at home, work 9-5, never look, talk, or think about a different girl kinda guy be very carefull.

[Intransit]

All these stories are too common. Whatever the age of your girl, subtract 10 years and that's the age she'll act. They're exceptionally passionate, exceptionally sex, fuck like animals, and act like schoolgirls. I just ended a 2.5-year relationship with a beautiful and sexy woman who just didn't know how to act. jealous rage, crying, just general juvenile behavior. Enough. I'm old enough to want to be with grown-ups.

[GoodEnough]

Don't know what I can add to Intransit's excellent analysis except that I think you need to subtract somewhat more than 10 years. Fifteen may be more appropriate. And once they have sex with you forget it. In their eyes, you belong to them. If you thin that by "only" 69'ing her you avoided real sex, I would say you're wrong. Get out now. Do not look back, and do not feel any guilt. The longer you let this go, the more possessive she will be and the more enmeshed you'll become.

T Poet:
The LA Cafe advice is really sound. No bar drinks, no bar fine and no bullshit. I was there last week and hooked up with two really nice looking ladies, and we partied for a long time. They didn't drink anything but fruit juice and I had one beer. They never asked for anything except cab fare when it was over. All of the clubs will hit you hard to ladies drinks, fines and high fees for the girls.

[J Boy]

Hank, a lot of the guys here use 2matchu. Would you mind sharing your girlfriend's 2matchu nickname so we don't blunder into the same situation.

[Deep Diver]

Hank,

What you have found is a Pinya that is looking for a better life. Hell arent we all! Before you think I am dogging her I am not. I married a pinya in a similar boat. A few problems 1 there is no divorce in the PI for the common person (ok they can get it anulled but not with 4 kids. So if you bring her to the US DONT try to get a girlfriend visa from the PI go to thialand or something as they do do record checks from the embasey. As far as her love dont underestimate it women from the PI fall in love easy but are usually (USUALLY) faithful to thier men if you treat them well. But that being said it will be hard for you to bring her kids to the US with her and she must be willing to leave them which she might not be willing to do.

Also that being said I had a pinya tell me strieght up that she would marry me just for citizenship so some times they are honest and forward. I turned her down.

[GoodEnough]

WilKil:

I fall more into the "fat old white guy" category I guess, but your observations are correct. I've met alot of African American and African men here, and there's no problem whatsoever. The Filipina obsession with white skin stems from the Spanish colonialization period. Spanish were white, they had the power and position, and the equation that fair skin=prestige and money sprung into being. It's why Filipinas spend a fortune on skin ligthening creams. It's absurd, but it's a point of view that's pretty ingrained here. On the other hand, Filipinas don't seem to give a damn what color their men are so long as the latter treat them like people, and with some degree of kindness. Also, black American film stars and musicians are enormously popular here, and the Filipinos see no irony in their obsession with fair skin on the one hand, and African American culture on the other. Go figure.

[Spidey]

I agreed with most of the posting on the relationships.

Hank, you have to realize that you are dealing with a woman with 4 kids, and if she is immature like some, or most Filipinas. then you will have 5 kids to deal with. Wouldn't it be better if you found one with no kids, or 1, instead of 4. That would be a problem to me. If you are feeling sorry for her, I suggest you "Run like Hell!". I don't feel sorry. I don't need this in my life. I, usually spend a month everytime, I am in the P.I. You really need to spend more time there, or step back. Also, I would make sure that the woman, work, or have worked in her life. You don't want a spoiled woman. We have enough of them in the States, and you want to import her, and create the same situation, then you would be asking for it!

Although, I am in a relationship with a Filipina, and the same event happen as all the posters mentioned. I have a little more faith, b/c of her level of education, but that doesn't mean she is there emotional, which could be real dangerous to me. She is a well- to-do woman in the Philippines, and doesn't need anything, or need to go abroad. I, just don't like the constant pounding of "Who are you with?" Which is nobody. Everyone that is in the States, and over 40, know that we are usually with no one!

My views (and with other friends) is that most Filipinos, are like children, who is always asking for money, like give me, give me. They are always dependent on someone. Even Filipinos that I know in the States get tired of those people in the P.I. Of course, they feel it is their duties to provide, or have the relatives talk gossips about them, which they fear the most.

The bottom line is that I am not here to babysit, and don't plan to be. If I am going to do this, I am going to have my own baby, not someone else. I don't mind, if the kids are grown up. I can deal with that.

Intransit:

There are many women like this:

who just didn't know how to act. jealous rage, crying, just general juvenile behavior. Enough. I'm old enough to want to be with grown-ups.

yes, I agreed, and find this quite comical. Sometime, I get a good laugh at this, b/c it is soooooo funny. Many guys don't even understand that some of the woman, made be really uneducated, and they will have to train them like children.

Yes, I am old enough, and I don't need to be moniter on my every move. I told her, she can tag along, if she likes. I am always looking for business there in SE Asia, and this can be quite boring for the less interest individual.

[Spidey]

Deep Diver,

I find that Filipinas are in a fantasy world. They live like they are in a fairy tale. They can falling in love, and fall out of love very fast.

I do notice that they start liking me fast, and I just ignore them. When they pout, I really ignore them. Just b/c they cry, I am going to feel sorry for them, b/c they didn't get there way. Remember, they are like children.

Another thing, they are good at is making babies. Hey, I am not generalizing. When half of their population is under 25 year olds, that tell you something. The P.I. is 80-100 Million people there. If you can't find a wife, or girlfriend there, something is wrong. ugly, or not, poor, or not, just have citizen to abroad is all it takes.

[Deep Diver]

Spidey,

I couldnt agree with you more. ATM I am married to a pinya and have 3 on the side. ( they allknow about my wife but not nessecarily about eachother in most cases ) I have no problem telling them NO and your right they are children or at lest act like it as they are 44,39,33,23 what can I say I am a dog! oh well.

[Spidey]

Deep Diver,

You know what , there are Americans (Is there a age limit for immaturity? ), who are 40-50-60, that still act immature. It's just that the Filipinas have to hustle, so they have to grow up faster. There is a lost of childhood here. They are forced to become adults immediate.

Of course, we all act immature at times, especially in Asia. What can I say, this is Adult Disneyland here! It's Like having Candy everyday, and still can't get enough of it, and more!

Diver, You're just a good parent, who can say "NO!" lol

Btw, if you say no to them, do they pout?

[GoodEnough]

deep Diver and Spidey:

You are not only correct, but I think you've identified the cardinal rule of the Philippines. The corolloary to this, that allows you to survive is: "Sorry baby, but these are the rules." I have found that it's better to be totally honest at the front end regarding what you will accept and what you find unacceptable. At the first sign of deviation just walk away, telling her, "sorry but I told you up front." Otherwise, you will wind up in a morass of emotional complications that gets ever more difficult to escape. I know this sounds harsh, and perhaps unfair, but so be it. You, as a foreigner, ain't gonna change the culture, the behaviors, or, for the most part, the expectations, and this is about self preservation.The bottom line? Be considerate, be honest, be fair, and above all be firm.

[Iron Duke]

Hi Guys.

I’m planning a trip to the Philippines in August and would appreciate opinions from some of you experts on filipinas what you think of the following:

I went to the Philippines for the first time last December to spend some time with a cute girl I’d got to meet on the Internet I spent a pleasant couple of weeks travelling around PI with her and her two friends. All three of them shared a room with me but (unfortunately!) it turned out to be quite platonic so no sex with any of them. However, thanks to the excellent advice on this board I managed to find plenty of action to satisfy the manly needs between spending time with them. I spent a few days in Manila (Makati) and found a couple of girls around P Burgos St who fitted the bill perfectly. Avoided the expensive bars in the area but managed to hook up with girls passing by whilst I was sitting at a pavement bar on P Burgos St. So, no bar fines! Took them back to my hotel (City Garden) and had no trouble bringing them up to the room. I also spent a few days in Ermita, at the other City Garden hotel there, which was much more convenient for the LA Cafe (and equally girl friendly.The reception even phoned up as they were leaving and checked that everything was ok). The LA Cafe lived up to all the good things posted elsewhere on this board and I had no trouble finding some really nice girls. One night, I took two of them together back to the hotel with me and much fun was had by all!

Anyway, back to my story. The girl I had gone to meet turned out to be real sulky and eventually she and her two friends left on their own to go back to Manila just after we’d got to Boracay! However, one of her friends was really gorgeous and she contacted me a few times via SMS while I was still in PI and afterwards. We’ve been keeping in touch ever since via email and Yahoo Messenger. This girl was a student, just finishing her studies, and in March she asked me for money to pay for her exam fees. Rightly or wrongly I sent her some cash. A few days later she sent me an email to say her brother had had an accident and she’d been forced to use the cash I’d sent her for his hospital bills. He also needed an operation, so, could I send some more cash? I told her no and we didn’t communicate for a while after that. We’ve been communicating again for the last month or so and I told her I was planning a trip to the East in August. Of course, she’d love to see me and has agreed to travel around with me in Philippines and abroad on what she quaintly describes as a sort of “honeymoon”.

I’ve now had an email from her asking for cash as she’s desperately short of funds. My instinct is to drop her immediately and not contact her again. But then I will be missing out on a fantastic holiday. I’ve read a few reports on this board that filipinas are not shy to ask for cash. So, my question is, if I send her a small amount of cash will this be regarded as a normal way for friends to help each other out? Or should I heed the warnings that she’s really just a (very attractive and gorgeous) gold digger and have nothing more to do with her?

Any advice from those of you who have experience with these lovely ladies will be much appreciated!

Iron Duke

[Intransit]

GoodEnough,

I think your advice is superb. One's message must be clear at all times.

[Spidey]

Iron Duke,

So, what else is new? Go to the Makati section and read what we are talking about.

I understand that your friend's friend is good looking, and so is many other girls in the Philippines. Depending on your taste. There are so many girls, if you are a foreigner, professional, or have a business, then you are in demand. It doesn't matter how you look, as long as you are able to support. That is what it is all about in Asia. Philippines is a little more extreme than the neighboring countries. They are consider one of the poor countries in SE Asia.

[Mookman]

Iron Duke, you have to find someone else now, it's too late for there to be anything with her. Since you sent her money already, you already have the work "sucker" written on your forehead and she will forever see you that way. What I would do is keep putting off sending her money until your trip, think of excuses, etc, get your monies worth when you get there from her and disappear after that. You can find plenty more where she came from. One good scam deserves another.

Mook

[MasterBlaster]

Iron Duke,

I can't believe you paid for three women to go to Boracay and get no action! Definitely, you're playing too much of a nice guy for women you just want to bang. My suggestion is that you determine first if the women are "virtuous" or not. The instant that your girl suggested to bring two other girl companions with her on a trip with you, should have raised a red flag that you are NOT getting any action especially if she is not a bar girl. It's like bringing your own witness to your own crime and nobody's going to do that. What you don't know in Filipino culture is that a "virtuous" girl (claiming to be one qualifies too) would bring companions as witnesses that she'd been "virtuous" all the time while you were with her. Somehow your story have gaps since you never mentioned whether your girl stayed with you (at least in your room) or not. Another is you never mentioned seeing the two other girls actually leave for Manila; sounds like a rouse to get a free ride. I'm sure those two other girls are somewhere else on the same beach! Boracay is the most popular beach in the Philippines and who would want to go back to Manila when you are standing on it.

You need to "graduate" how you appreciate women. You don't give an beach vacation to a girl you just meet or give a trip around the world to a girl you have the slightest idea about. Are you like this even when you are not mongering? Read all the post here and learn from it.

The need for money in the Philippines is unquenchable. Borrowing or asking money is already an artform there. Imagine being poor and not having enough all the time; you could only think of how you can break out of a pitiful situation. Asking money from strangers is not a tradition but poverty forces people to do so. Don't buy every bit of her story and don't mind the teasers. Everyone there knows a SOB story and a tease work wonders in loosening somebody else's pockets.

For this reason that you should just drop her and make an excuse and contact her only when you are close to seeing her, for example, when you are already at the airport to start your mongering adventure and, when you do see her, do you own lip service to get in her pants!

But one more thing, when you do go for a "honeymoon" (you see, this is an angle she is working on you and she knows you are just thrilled about this: ka-ching ka-ching) don't let her bring companions with her. Iron Duke, at least, try to live up to your name.

MasterBlaster

Hi,

This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.

I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it easier to read a report if the paragraphs are separated by a single blank line.

I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key TWICE at the end of each paragraph, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.

Thanks,

Jackson

[DannyNip]

Hi everyone,

I'm so angry "Spidey Theory" about Filipinas. Even their country poor many bargirls, so what? Spidey character was a [Deleted by Admin] guy because he found that money is the most important. Yes I agree money was important but not the most! Actually this guy always say he pay 9k for her girlfriend no problem something like that but 50k too much. But I beleved even 9k or 5k he didn't help her girlfriend. In his mind all girls just a hooker. May be her daughter or her mother was do that job so his mind like that!

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[Sho Nuff]

Good Enough,

No offense Good E I have nothing against white guys but you guys are like poster boys for mongers just as young Afro Americans are for rappers, basketball players, etc etc. Most Asians (who live in Asia) I noticed assumed because you are black you are born with the talent to rap and play sports what a weird world. Hmmm about that jealousy stuff man its crazy how possessive they are. All I can tell you guys out there be careful when you get involved with one of those ladies the sex is great but the headache and watching over your back is not.

[Robert Lee]

Iron Duke,

I agree with Mookman.

You now have been label a "sucker". She is always going to be in need, there will always be some crisis or another.

I get those types all the time. You need to learn not to give anyone money over the Internet and if you do consider it lost and don't worry about.

As for this girl, if you really want to bang her that badly. Just let her know you are coming, just before you go send her a message saying you are due in town and that you are looking to see her.
She will be glad to see you, remember you are label "sucker". Just take her to a short time room or your hotel. Although I wouldn't do that unless it was toward the end of my stay there.

However, this only based on the fact that you truly want to be bothered with her. There are so many girls you can meet wandering around the malls and in the shops. Do you really want to be bothered.

I still say this. NEVEN EVER SEND MONEY TO ANYONE.

[Doofer]

Iron Duke asked:

So, my question is, if I send her a small amount of cash will this be regarded as a normal way for friends to help each other out? Or should I heed the warnings that she’s really just a (very attractive and gorgeous) gold digger and have nothing more to do with her?

Duke, she's scamming you and probable others.

Doofer

[Geo Daddy]

Oh this "jealousy" thing. I gotta add, that after spending the better part of my life dating "american" chics and never can remember any being "jealous" (or even concerned) that I might stray (heck, let's be honest - most felt that "I" should be grateful that they lowered their expectations to stay wit' me, even they weren't "all that" that they thought themselves to be) It was a HOOT when I started to date Filipina and found them jealous.

Sure, on some level it's annoying, but on another, it's nice to know that they even care enuff to be jealous.

One thing though, it's really, really cut throat. I was with one "hot chic" Filipina, and while I was with her, in the bars, in the mall, in the restaurants, no other Filipina gave me the eye. They started down, defeated, humble, submitting to the evolutionary luck of the draw.

But, when I was with an "average" girl, the shop girls were virtually pushing her aside to impress me that I could do "better" - it was really - sociologically - fascinating, and a bit sad, as the girl I was with was real sweet, never said a word, but was hurt that she felt she wasn't good enuff. Sigh.

G

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[Spidey]

Danny,

First of all read what Masterblaster said:

The need for money in the Philippines is unquenchable. Borrowing or asking money is already an artform there. Imagine being poor and not having enough all the time; you could only think of how you can break out of a pitiful situation. Asking money from strangers is not a tradition but poverty forces people to do so. Don't buy every bit of her story and don't mind the teasers. Everyone there knows a SOB story and a tease work wonders in loosening somebody else's pockets.

Second, I didn't give her any money, and next she was not my girlfriend. She was someone I met only twice in my life, and to tell you this. I am not giving someone 9K pesos, which at the time, was almost 200 USD. Would you, or anyone here? You also, mention that you would help your wife, or wife to be. That is a different story, and ballgame, dude!

Btw, your so full of it. You don't even know what you are reading. Read it again, Bozo! I know there are good people in all the third world countries. I respect them if they are making an impact in their lives, or progressing. Also, I teach, and help others in financing, and motivation, this alone make up for Charity. You don't need to use money, use education. so you don't know what the hell you are talking about! If you want to attack, Bring it on! I don't need to deal with your childless attitude.

[Spidey]

Excuse me, "Childish attitude" lol.

Sorry got carried away.

Btw, Danny

My girlfriend is a Filipina, who is a school teacher. Got it!

[Trisomie]

Filipinos, whether man or women, are the biggest spongers and moochers on the face of the earth. And sly about it too....

Don't give me this "they are so poor they have to be like that" crap. So are most Chinese and they don't degrade themselves like this (I quess its the superior culture and upbringing). Does that explain why filipinos and mestizas with some Chinese blood are always quick to point this out?. The men especially I find are lazy and rely on the wife to go overseas as a nurse or domestic and send him money every month to buy San Miguel and pansit di ba.
I lived in Mexico for years where it is poor and catholic also and never found the same behavoir. The filipinos are without pride (unlike Mexicans) and get tiresome and predictable very quickly.

My advice to all brothers looking at a serious relationship/marriage with a filipina is don't bother. They will break your heart and slowly bleed you dry. You will always play second fiddle to her family-her committment to HER family will always be paramount and more important then you and your family. Someone told me once that the best Asian women to date/marry are the Japanese because the women there already have lots of their own money and are rich so they don't need to "gold dig" like filipinos. Sound advice from an old Asia pro.

Remember to practice the 4 R'S for Filipinas;

Find her
Feed her
Fuck her
Fling her

Cheers

Trisomie

[MasterBlaster]

Spidey,

You don't need me as an ally. I'm sure you can defend yourself using your own arguments.

Below are the statements you made recently.

"I find that Filipinas are in a fantasy world. They live like they are in a fairy tale. They can falling in love, and fall out of love very fast."

"Another thing, they are good at is making babies. Hey, I am not generalizing. When half of their population is under 25 year olds, that tell you something. The P.I. is 80-100 Million people there. If you can't find a wife, or girlfriend there, something is wrong. ugly, or not, poor, or not, just have citizen to abroad is all it takes."

"My views (and with other friends) is that most Filipinos, are like children, who is always asking for money, like give me, give me. They are always dependent on someone."

"I know there are good people in all the third world countries. I respect them if they are making an impact in their lives, or progressing."

I could NOT figure what direction you are headed. Please show sensitivity when you dispense advice especially if the topic is NOT about a *****.

MasterBlaster

[MasterBlaster]

Trisomie,

I feel sorry that your sorry ass kept on attracting the worse of the bunch that you could only generalize that everybody in the country is like that. You must be a real genius to figure that out. Don't worry. The world revolves around you and your omnipotent ass will always be on a pedestal with all praises coming from yourself. When you're long dead and rotten and the Filipinos are still thriving maybe they will make a monument in your honor. Cheers!

MasterBlaster

[Spidey]

Trisomie,

Filipinos males are lazy and don't want to work. Well, to tell you the truth. Nobody wants to work in general, even in the states. If it wasn't for being in debt (like mortgage pymt), not too many people won't go, or want to work. Of course, you have to feed your face, and there are things that one wants will keep us on the ball. People have to live.

Some of the Filipinos take it to an extreme, but don't forget that there are less jobs opportunties in the Philippines for the males there, and for the females, they have to compete for the job. There is also, a age limit there, if you are not a professional, or highly educated.

These are my views, and opinions, and to make people on this board aware of what is happening here.

[Spidey]

"I find that Filipinas are in a fantasy world. They live like they are in a fairy tale. They can falling in love, and fall out of love very fast."

>>Fairy tale in getting Marry, and living happily ever after. There are players in the Philippines too.

"Another thing, they are good at is making babies. Hey, I am not generalizing. When half of their population is under 25 year olds, that tell you something. The P.I. is 80-100 Million people there. If you can't find a wife, or girlfriend there, something is wrong. ugly, or not, poor, or not, just have citizenship to abroad is all it takes."

>>C'mon, it is just economics. Some of them don't really like us. They think we are rich (to them we are, and in their country, we are). They need to change their life, and be given a chance in life. They will do what they have to do. Believe me, Women are smarting than men. Always, one guy told me this in AC, I know they don't like us, But who cares! This guy is having the time of his life there. He can do anything he wants, and he is married.

"My views (and with other friends) is that most Filipinos, are like children, who is always asking for money, like give me, give me. They are always dependent on someone."

>>Maybe b/c they have been colonized by so many countries, Spainish, American, Japanese, American, that they become dependent on others.

"I know there are good people in all the third world countries. I respect them if they are making an impact in their lives, or progressing."

>>Look at some of the older bg, they are broked, and still working the trade. They are suppose to make more than the average Filipinos. I am sure when they were younger, they made okay money. What happened to it? There are many that are on drugs, gambling, or giving to their husband, or bf, and going to the family, (which is a right thing to do).

If they took the money, and improved their lives. That would ease the pressure on them at a older age.

Go to Makati, and you will see many successful Filipinos there. Some are many just as much as some of the people abroad. Like I said, some figured it out, While others haven't.

Again, this is my opinions, and views, and this is for the people, who wants to understand the people a little better. You don't have to accept this, just view it, and tell me what you think. Hey, if I can criticize others, why can't they criticize me, lol.

Sorry for being so blunt ( my nature), and sorry if I offend some. For being sensitivity, it is tough in a third world country. If you are too sensitive, they will eat you alive!

Take it easy, and enjoy your visit, whereven that may be.

[Iron Duke]

Spidey, Mookman, Master Blaster, Robert and Doofer

Thanks guys for the constructive comments. Much appreciated.

Forewarned is forearmed!

Iron Duke

[Pinay Lover]

hmm, i guess some people never saw an illegal alien running across hwy. 10 by san diego. not to mention have seen that sign with that woman dragging her family or the billion of dollars spent on the u.s. border patrol. how about those people back home in the states that are life long welfare recipients and section 8 abusers. not lazy, huh while mc donald's is hiring at $6.75 - 7.50 per hour depending on the state.

what i'm trying to get at is that jobs are few and far between in the philippines. there are so few jobs that they come in droves when word is out that a position is open in a company. it takes someone with a college course to apply at mc donalds or kfc in this country. and even if they got the job, it isn't a guarantee that it is a permanent one either. not to mention that the minimum wage is p280/day. oh, excuse me. it will be p300/day in july.

add age discrimination and you cut most unemployed filipinoes chance in half. many pinoys and pinays know that once they are over 30, they are considered too old for the work force. with so many colleges and universities turning out graduates every year, the demand for work gets higher. ever notice that every department store, fastfood or retail has a young lady behind the counter.

lastly, the reason why a man is left behind is because the woman has an easier time getting a visa to work overseas. most of the male ofws are either seamen or construction workers. while most female ofws are either domestic helpers, factory workers or nurses. which the demand is high in the middle east and china. these women put themselves at great risk working overseas. if you read the local papers. it is quite common to learn that some pinays die at the hands of their employer or employer's wife. the lucky ones are raped and beaten. all that risk to earn that mighty dollar or euro.

they are not lazy. they are extremist. many go to great extremes to survive daily. so deep are many in debt that it takes the whole family to pay out the loans. not to mention the famous 5/6 loans given by the indians or ofws with money to spare. 5/6 is borrow p5,000 and pay back p6,000 in about 30 - 60 days. some chose to pay this either daily or weekly.

so, if you think filipinoes love to party everyday. they do. but only if they can afford it for that day. maybe two. that's why they know how to have a good time with you when your paying. heck, i'll show you a good time in vegas or atlantic city if you pay my way. you know what i mean?

sorry for the long post, guys. especially when theirs no girl or sex involved or mentioned.

[MasterBlaster]

Spidey,

Judging from the way you write, I believe you are NOT born or raised in the United States and you haven't even mastered or understood the culture and language of your new adopted country. However, you view this as an opportunity to step on others which is actually a manifestation of your own inadequacies. How could you have a good understanding of the way of life of a third country when you are already having a difficulty in one? I am from the Philippines and I resent everything you said about how we live our lives as a race. I live in the US and way of life here is different, however, when things aren't so tuned to my beliefs I still open my eyes and see how the locals derive contentment from it. When you know how to respect other people, maybe you will have gained respect for yourself. For now, you belong to the hookers and a clueless school teacher that has no idea what kind of person you are.

MasterBlaster

[MasterBlaster]

Spidey,

I have reviewed all of your posts and I could only come to one conclusion: you shoot your mouth faster than your brain could think. You made several attempts to strike a conversation with intelligent mongers in this board and mostly all have ignored your attempts. The funny part is that some of these people, oblivious to you, are Filipinos. You exude a racist persona and people know it. At this point, I am truly certain that you are racist. After reaching America from an Asian country (I could tell you are Asian), you seem to have boosted your "superiority complex", or likely, dysfunction, by learning a little of America's language and culture but mostly by money, and, begin to think that you know it all. If you cannot understand this now maybe you should find some time to avail yourself of proper education. Your brand of ridicule is out of place in this board. I believe Jackson will agree with me on this.

MasterBlaster

Jackson, Sorry, allow me to fight for my dignity. Spidey will have the chance to retort intelligently if he is even capable of it.

[Undray]

Hey Guys

I have a simple question. I met this filipina chick online, and Ive been talking to her for about a month. She is all happy with me, I even call her, and she calls me. Im starting to have second thoughts about her since she brought up the idea of a fiancé visa.

What does the fiancé visa entail? If she applies for it, and we somehow break up can I send her back to manila? Or will I be a fool and she has a free ride to the states?

Let me know guys

Un

[DannyNip]

MasterBlaster,

100% support you talk about " Mr Spiney" all stupid messege!

[Mookman]

Yes, since he's being an ignorant racists, let's do the same, he must be Asian, no make that Oriental like my rug. He must be Chinese, Korean, no Japanese, those guys think they are superior. You end up being the same dumb arse smucks, making ignorant comments like him... leave the troll alone and don't become a troll yourself.

Mook

[Three I]

Dam what is your problem! I looked at his post and his bias dumb ass! I don't care where he is from shit! Some people take the net to seriously, go outside and get a fucking life.

P.S. In the states we spell Arse a s s !

Three X out!

[Ever Ready]

3X, Blaster, Danny, Mook

1. In UK we spell it ARSE - what does it matter anyway?

2. I'd rather see some well written reports on the great hobby of shagging, in preference to this tirade of argumentative bullshit. Can’t you children quit fighting?

3. No other comments!

ER

[GoodEnough]

Undray:

The ceaseless pursuit of a Fiancee Visa is the avocation of half the Filipinas in the country under the age of 40. Be very careful about this, as the process is time consuming and expensive. First, unless you can get an exemption from USCIS, you need to be in the Philippines during some of the process. Second, you will need to prove the durability and seriousness of your relationship. Third, you will have to demonstrate the financial capacity to take care of the girl and fourth, she will have to go to the US Embassy in the Manila for a lengthy interview and a lot of physical examinations.

The odds on clearing all of the hurdles are not great and it sounds like you have never even met the woman! She may be a terrific human being. On the other hand, she may be having the same conversation with a handful of Western men, hoping that just one of them takes her seriously.

The best advice I could give you is to walk away now and not even to consider pursuing this further.

[Mookman]

Three X, what the heck are you doing, you're pointing at him saying "his post and his bias dumb ass!" and you come out and say because he's like that, "He sounds like a Chinese or Korean to me!"

You're statements are troll statements just like him.

And yes I know ass is spelled A S S, I thought there was a profanity censor on this board.

Mook

[MasterBlaster]

Mookman,

I'm Asian and he's asian. I never said he is Korean, Chinese or anything but Asian. I precisely said he may be Asian. There is a thin line there but I never crossed it.

Three X,

Arse as in Arsehole? Which time period do you belong? Get a life yourself. I was not talking to you anyways! You are a racist pretending not to be one.

Dannyvip,

Thanks. Some people think they can get a way with everything even ignorance.

MasterBlaster

[MasterBlaster]

Undray,

If you are having second thoughts, it looks like the girl isn't for you or you might need more time to know her. You are already talking about how she could possibly betray you and how to get even with her when things fall apart. When you are at the stage that you are comfortable, maybe that's the time to talk about getting a fiance visa.

MasterBlaster

[English Dan]

Wicked SH, GoodEnough, Deep Diver, Instransit and Spidey:

Thanks for your responses to my message of 6/22. Sorry I am just now getting back to you all. I appreciate all of you taking the time.

I would like to say that some of the comments were very helpful and I have shared some similar observations that some have made such as her tendency toward jealousy, possessiveness etc. I broached the matter with her and she was genuinely apologetic and really wanted me to help her with this. She said she would really try to do better in the future and felt this way cause it had been so long since she had felt any feelings of love from someone or toward someone (she has been in a bad marriage for 15 years). Her response sounded reasonable. The idea that she may be ten years less mature is an interesting concept. She is now 34 - so some of you have suggested she might then be only emotionally at a 24 year old level or less. Yet this is a woman that has been married 15 years, been raising 4 children, colleged educated and working full time in marketing while married to a dead beat lazy guy who abused her and abondoned her. My guess is that her emotional stablility and maturity to handle all this must be pretty good. Please, I genuinely welcome your rebuttal on this. Some of you pointed out some practical issues such as marriage, fiance visa and stuff. At this point she has not talked that language though I think she would be willing to leave her children behind if she could get a job in the states (I think she is thinking more less of an arrangement like a long term girlfriend kind of thing). That is not bad. However lets say I did want to go the next step - it was suggested that annulment is not possible with her having 4 children. Her sister told me it could happen for about $ 5000 (I think this is done under the table if you know the right people). What is your experience or observations with this.

Anyway - she is a good girl who is not making any demands of me. We met online but there was never any kind of seducing or stuff like that. The attraction only started after we met in person.

Thanks for your feedback here. Still contemplating my options of holding on to her for a while and seeing how it goes. We have a planned trip together in Thailand in Aug for a few days of fun. She is really looking forward to getting away.

Thanks again

Hank

[Mikster]

GoodEnough,

What part of the fiancee visa process does a guy need to be in the RP for? I know the man has to go there and prove they met initially, but other than that, what else? I was under the impression you then come back to the states, petition her, get the approval and then they send it to manila where they contact the girl and tell her what to do. I am not aware of any reason why the man would have to return, unless he wants to attend the interview in Manila. What am I missing?

Thanks

Mikster

[MasterBlaster]

EverReady,

Read the heading "Filipinas - Opinions and Advice". Use your head instead of your Johnson.

MasterBlaster

[Robert Lee]

UNDRAY

"What does the fiancé visa entail? If she applies for it, and we somehow break up can I send her back to manila? Or will I be a fool and she has a free ride to the states?"

My man, you seem nervous about about this filipina. I can understand why, all the horror stories you will hear. The only piece of advice I can offer is this. " take you time"

I mean this in all it's forms. Get to know the filipina, get to know her family, her friends. Try to see her in all types of situations. (personally I try to get them mad/angry to see how they react, but that's just me)

If this woman is serious she will wait, believe me if she thinks you interested she will wait. Don't let her rush you or push to do anything without you thinking about it. Be polite and interested in her.
Also for Yoda's sake ask questions. Too many guys just get stuck with the figure, the sex, the affections they bestow.
Stop, and take a deep breath and ask questions. See how she is responds to them, wait awhile and ask the same questions again. If she is evasive, you may have a problem, If she responds to the same questions with a totally different answer, again you may have a problem.

Now as far as visa are concerned. You could do it yourself. I have some friends who have done so and got through with it. You can order most of the forms via the Internet or via the phone. I personally would use a lawyer.. However, that's because I am lazy.

You can go to any INS web site and read about the requirements. It's not as expensive as all that. but it can add up.

The important thing to remember is or be wary of is the affidavit of support. This is where you promise UNCLE SAM that you will take care and provide for all your bride's needs and wants. That she will not request assistant from any government agency.(They're are exceptions to this rule but by and large that's what it means.)
The last time checked into the affidavit I was told their were 2 version, a 10 year one and 3/5 year?( I think).

Now heres the really fun part. If your bride from the filipines up's and leaves you for any reason after you are married. Your fault, her fault, the dogs fault, no one's fault.

If she she goes some where and request government assistance

YOU CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ASSITANCE.

The state or Federal government can recoup the monies given her for assistance from you. They can and may come after you for the money.

This why I say don't be rush into anything. Take your time. There are a lot of filipinas who do what ever it takes to get the hell out of the filipines.(can't say that I blame them)
They will say anything and project the type of image that will make you weak in the knees and make you want to run to the alter right away. They will screw you silly and do any thing to get you to remember them.

I have no problem with that. I personally feel if you into a contract(marriage) then you should keep you contract agreement. She be a good and loyal wife and you should be a husband as you stated you would be. Neither should break the contract. The problem is that one or the other will or could decide to break it. That's where the problem comes into this.

Sorry, I don't usually do these long posts. I am going through this process now. So I feel strongly about it.

I wish you luck.

Don't be afraid to try. But don't overlooked things from her that could be a problem because it will only get worse.

[DannyNip]

Three x-ray, (you need to check up your lung actually), Mookman (you also need to change a woodman--no educated), why both you guys don't like or hate Asian? Are you American or European?

Rubbish!

[Mookman]

I wasn't going to respond so the topic can die but I had to after reading "dannynip's" comment. Dannynip, I was chastising them for being racists. I don't know how you got that from what I wrote because I thought I was being clear. But I can see how my sarcasm can be taken that way, if english isn't your first language.

My previous comments were against Three X, not MasterBlaster.

Anyway, for get this crap, just get back to the topic at hand.

[Firedick]

Undray,

The process is not all that bad. I did it. I had to prove that we had met, not hard since I was working in Makati, but after that all the paperwork was handled from the US. You'll need to file a form 129-f then sit on your butt, as I did, while she "jumps through all the hoops". It took about a year (prior to 9/11) and cost me a little over $100.

That said, I would be very careful with a girl who was asking for a visa prior to even meeting.

What's the hurry ? Go to the RP, meet her, and a lot of other nice girls and make an informed decision. Hell, suggest the two of you live there and see how she reacts ! :)

FD

[Uninfun]

Be very care ful when breaking up with filipina girls. They will say and do anything to be hurtful. The colder you are and stronger you are the better. These girls have no problem being evil when they don't get their way. In many ways, they are like very dependent children. Nothing is good enough.

I knew to girls who got divorced. One was from Brazil, who told her husband she wanted 8k to go home and help her family out (she was entitled to alot more). The other was from Phillippines, who was married for less time, got a lot more money and was very unsatisfied and bitched terribly. The girl from Brazil had ten times the character of the girl from the Phillipines in the same situation.

If you get involved and married, get a prenup ready. The girl from the Phillippines when its over will look at you like her huge payday, and say and do anything. Many of them end up divorced after only a couple of years in the USA.

They are definately into family, which is a good and bad quality. The downside is that the tampo (moodieness) can be like a kid throwing a tantrum. The best way to handle it is to be strong and cut her off the first time it happens. It's bad to say, but they respect strength more than kindness. Just part of the culture.

[GoodEnough]

Amen to all the advice about being careful, cautious, and extremely prudent. Get to know the family and take time to get to know the lady outside of the bedroom. My advice is not even to consider the visa until you have known the lady for at least 6 months, at least three of them in person. Do not base your decision on a 3 week romantic idyll in the Philippines. You would not make a life decision regarding someone in your own country in such a short space of time, so why do it in this case? Also give some careful thought to how this lady will fit into your day-to-day life in the West. Will she readily adapt to your culture, your friends, your family and your lifestyle?

GE

[Undray]

GoodEnough, Uninfun, Firedick, Robert Lee & MasterBlaster:

Thanks for the advice. I talked to my flipina chick and she got all pissed off because I wanted to live in Manila for 2 months.

So I dropped her like a bag of spuds!

She got all pissed off, I've never see her get this way.
Again, thanks for the advice.

Un

[Sho Nuff]

well make sure you get to know any girl really well you are planning on marrying and please if she gives sex early be worried, or use a condom. i was on my first trip after meeting a chat buddy i had been chatting with for four months i was so shocked this beautiful girl wanted to have sex with me, i even told her lets wait i just wanted to enjoy the sights but she pressed on. the sex was great but after returning home to the good ole us i later found i had pain when i urinated can you say chlamydia i am going to get checked for hiv tuesday. no one to blame but myself i got caught up in the moment. the women are beautiful and enticing but be careful as they may cost you money, time, health or as in my case a new nerve racked life.

[Robert Lee]

Undray

Sorry to hear that.

You said that you told her you wanted to live in manila for 2 months and she got angry or pissed. What exactly did she say? Have you seen her in person before.

You will not believe this but just because you say "YOU" have dropped her doesn't mean that she will consider it over. I can guarantee that she will call you back all apologetic and remorseful, promising any and all things.

Do yourself a favor and don't fall for it. She has showed her true colors remember them. If by some chance or another you do have sex with her WEAR A CONDOMN!

But expect an attempt to get back into your good gracious.

[Fastpiston]

Let Undray's experience be a lesson to all those who fall in love and offer marriage to Filipinas within days. Listen to the experience of others! I agree with GoodEnough on at least 6 months trial. I would go for a year or more. If the girl is really seriously in love with you she will go for that without hesitation.

The track record speaks for itself. Even professional Filipinos try and go to US / Europe on tourist visas and then overstay. It is a national obsession.
Most of the girls can't get a tourist visa for this reason, so the next best thing is to get hold of a foreigner and use sex and love as the passport to paradise.
First priority, get married and get a foreign passport.
If that does not work, second best, they try getting a foreigner to buy a house and lot for her in the Philippines (foreigners cannot own such property in the Philippines - even the lawmakers are in the game!). When she has the hose and lot, she can get rid of the foreigner.

Yes, there are wonderful girls in the Phils., but be very very cautious and take your time. Anyway, why get married and get locked out of the market. You will regret it when you next go out and see a sexy cutie walk by smiling at you.
Remember, it is contrary to man's nature to pentrate only one woman!

[DannyNip]

Wil Kil,

Oh have you do sex with condom? How about the report? Please details about the case!

[Vaquero]

Having tasted a little of everything from the world pussy platter, I'm not one eager to cater to stereotypes. But in the case of Filipinas, I feel it's necessary to add my two cents here.

I had me a little brown fuck machine who, after years of humping her way through the cruise line industry, declared political asylum in the U.S. By the time I met her in the Midwest, she'd already gotten her citizenship and a divorce.

I only knew this lady for a few weeks, and within that time she was pressuring me into marriage and homeownership. She had pretty good leverage, too, since she'd suckered me into ditching the condom at a time when she was ovulating. Because I didn't comply with her plans, which very well may have been the plot line of a Filipino soap opera, she and Vaquero Jr. vanished.

I'm sure there are some good Filipina women out there, but there are also plenty of vipers. And there are also plenty of them who follow their culture's tradition of bringing the entire clan to live at your home in the suburbs.

That same energy that fuels a Filipina's passion for fucking can also ignite psycho tendencies. Combine that with third world obsessions of the American dollar, and you can land in deep sh!t if you step too fast. If it's affordable enough, why not just get the pussy and run?

[Uninfun]

I can't agree enough with what you just said. It is a national obsession to get out of the country and to the US. That sexy little body and spanish influence can be a great combination. The downside is that many of them have psycho tendencies. Many are very money hungry as a result of their culture. Many want the family and the dream, but don't have enough between the ears to make it work. We all want things.

In any event, you take any chick from a different culture and there is a big risk of problems. One guy I knew brought a girl home to live with him and his parents for six months. He went to work and she proceeded to hide in his room under the bedsheets (true). He sent her on her way back home prior to the marriage. Lucky guy.

The point is that you may be better off vacationing from the phillippines rather than taking lil honey ko home. If you have to, then don't marry her and bring her over on a fiance visa for six months. See if she's goes off.

[Mikster]

Vaquero and the boys,

I know the feeling Vaquero, I have been through a similar experience. I know this is the filipina board, but it all ties together when it comes to third world chicks in general. During my early hunting days, I went to Cali, Colombia. The women there are hard to beat for pure hotness and good looks in vast numbers. You can hardly date a girl more than once if you have a functioning cock, and you dont need to pay if you have any semblance of a game. I met a psycho named Claudia who had a USA tourist visa. In Cali, she was the epitome of a doting girlfriend, treating me like a king and acting very normal. Once she got here, the game was over. She knew the law upside down and told me if I fucked with her she would call the cops and say I hit her and have me arrested. She was right. Here in Washington State its man bad, woman good. I called the cops and they told me that I had given her residency in my apartment and could not make her leave, even if she was on a tourist visa. Unbelievable. She proceeded to trash my apartment and yell, scream, threaten if I did not help her or marry her. I was to the point where I actually considered doing her in. The problem was that I had fell under her spell momentarily. Despite all her psycho behavior, she was fucking me into oblivion and telling me she loved me and just wanted a commitment. I came to my senses when she went into a trance of rage and just looked at me for hours as if she wanted to kill me. I took her to the mall one day, ran out and stranded her with no money. I raced back to the apartment, packed her shit and took it to a hotel. I had her passport and visa locked away. I told her go to the hotel or I will burn them. I had two of my friends who volunteered to say they witnessed her attack me and she finally gave up and agreed to go to the hotel. I had called her a taxi to take here there.

To make a long story short, it never pays to trust any foreign chick in my opinion. I dont think you can ever know their true intentions. Some would say that goes for American chicks as well, but at least you can date them for a long period and get to know them and make a smart, informed decision. I get a kick out of the "one week wonders," as I call them. Dudes who go to a foreign country for a week and end up married or engaged, all the while emptying their bank account immediately to meet the demands of their new found lover. Complete fools. I never thought much of the guys I have met in foreign lands whose sole intention was to find a wife in one week, no banging or fucking around at all. Just go to marriage agencies and interview chicks all day to find a suitable wife, propose on the spot without even banging them first. I will never understand that mindset. Part of the sheep society. I will always be a wolf and let other guys do the fucking up in life.

I never went back to Colombia after that. Cali smells with murder, kidnappings, crime galor. The most menacing city I have ever been in. Gringos go there anyway and fuck the hot calenas, but for my money, I prefer someplace I can walk around at night and not wonder if my head will be attached the next morning.

Beware marrying third world country women. I have seen more horror from these things than I care to remember. Just a pleasant warning. The usual disclaimer applies. Of course there are good girls to be found, but what are the odds you will get her? Be careful boys.

Mikster

[MasterBlaster]

Mikster and others,

Although you can't be sure what you are going to get since no one could really read somebody else's mind, you can increase the odds of finding a suitable woman by looking in the right places. That would depend totally on the guy's skills. Mind you, it is actually a tough job to do especially if you are foreigner since you view things from your "alien" perspective. If you interact with the locals and have a good understanding of where and how to find good women then your chances are better. So, I say you get what you work for. In the Philippines, women who have sex with a person she hardly knows is a terrible bad sign; women normally get married first before having sex or, at the very least, have known the person for weeks or months before sex. Picking women from the girlie bars is taking too much of a risk in any country and it doesn't matter if it's a Third World country or not. You really don't have to think a lot to really understand what "good girls" are since that is universal. As mongers, we let our Johnson do the talking and we overlook what really matters. Stripper with big boobs... good for the Johnson.... doctor with small boobs... bad for the Johnson... 18 year old bargirl... good for the Johnson.... 34 year old nurse... bad for the Johnson. Most of the time, that's the way I think; and, I have my own share of sorry tales because of that. Also, I crave for instant gratification much like what a drug addict would behave. I believe all mongers behave the same way. As mongers, we just have to admit that we usually are not thinking right and that we just have to try a little harder when we want to be serious. Oftentimes we mix ideas about women we want to marry and women we just want to f***. That will be the challenge for everybody here.

MasterBlaster

[Man In Search]

Dear All,

The opinions expressed in this particular message board is extremely prejudiced and offensive.

Generalisation, typification and simplification is one of the worst things that you can do to a section of people looking from your own naroow perspective. If you have such low opinion about your rented girlfriends then either you are extremely bad in judging a person or you are as good ( or as bad ) as those girls who pick your purse while you go to the toilet.

I have known quite a few philipinas also for that matter Indons, Malays and Viets and have also come into contact with other Third world girls from the Caribbeans.

I am sorry to say that the chances of finding a phsycho girl in the first world is far greaterthan in the third world.

For heavens sake stop this idiotic generalisation and get back to mongering and if you do not like the third world girls then stay away from them. Please do not insult them by such generalisation.

[English Dan]

Dear Gang,

First I want to thank Masterblast

Your comments to “Mikster and others” are indeed helpful, particularly in taking your time to find the right girl and searching in the right places and putting in the time.

Now I want to write some general comments about what I have been reading lately in general. I am in somewhat of dilemma in how I word this as I am very much aware that many here are writing from their experiences and their perspectives may be shaped only their experience whereas others that have written comments have done so from a more broader and reflective perspective. I do not know who each group is – however as I have been looking over some of the general responses made to some of us with questions about our Phil girlfriends, it feels as if what we/I hear is a negative streak in many of them. Many comments are highly cynical of these girls and paints them out to be ruthless. I have traveled Asia extensively and lived in South Asia for 3 years and continue to make numerous trips annually. I am aware of how some of these girls are drown to the money aspect of a relationship with a foreigner. I don’t think though that every girl is that way. It is almost as if there is an underlying assumption that each of us that has a gf has a bar girl and that all bar girls are the same. Therefore the logic being that if she dumped you or used you…she will do the same to me. While all the dark and sinister scenarios many of you point out may happen – I am not hearing enough credit being given to the girls themselves or a more reasoned approach that considers other perspectives. I am not trying to be harsh in my comments here…I am just asking for something that considers more than one angle.

If any of you have some other suggestions to us or to me specifically – I appreciate it very much. The girl I am with is not a bar girl and is seemingly a decent girl who has worked in the business field with her marketing degree for several years.

Thanks again guys – I really value your comments, particularly those of you that have actually live in PI or been married to a Filipina who is not from the “bar culture”.

Hank

[Slickery]

I could not help but comment on this thread. I have always been attracted to asian women and put an ad on one of the asian penpal sites. I am 46 years old and average looking.

Every day i get intrest from 10 to 20 girls. This would be great but the majority of these girls are from 18 to 20 years old.

I wonder what an 18 year old girl wants with a 46 year old man.

I do not want to think bad of any of these girls but it does make me worry about marrying any of these girls.

Are they that desperate to get out of the Phillipines or are they truely interested in a 46 year old guy.

Thanks,

Slickery

[Uninfun]

It's not about being harsh, it's about reality. I was with my filipnia girl for over five years. I've seen the culture, the good side and the bad side. Could you bring over a 35 year old nurse and be ok, mabey. However, that's not what most guys bring home (ala the lbfm trophy wife). My ex was a trophy wife, as well as severa l of her girlfriends. All had awesome bodies and good manners about themselves. Almost all broke up with their older husbands after two (2) years! The only one who didn't is screwing around on the side and has multiple boyfriends she's told me about. Many will say and do anything to get to the US and get a husband. It's just reality that you need to be careful about. Even the girl I know who is staying with her older husband told me she's doing it for her stepkids, not him.

In any event, believe what you wish. Just go in with two eyes open. If I live in Phillippines I could definately get into another long term relationship with one. In the US, I'll stick with other girls. Mabey I'm generalizing, but five years of experience seeing my ex and her friends has left me smarter when it comes to filipinas.

A smarter question, is how many guys on this board actually had long term serious relationships with these girls (over 4 years). These are the guys you should listen to.

[Fastpiston]

I feel the posts of the last few days are really useful for those about to make commitments to women from third world countries.

In the case of the Philippines, remember that you could end up with a truly sincere, wonderful girl, but the family may not be so sweet and look at you as the money pot. Even Filipina domestic helpers in Hong Kong are put under unbearable money request pressure from family back home, to the extent that such Filipinas take on large debts. It is common to read in Hong Kong newspapers about such girls driven to suicide. Be careful, some families are BIG ie 10 sisters & brothers, cousins etc etc. Before you know it there is a whole village out there!

Again, there are exceptions. My advice is be very, very careful and be street wise. You can end up with a real diamond, but you have to filter carefully through a lot of dirt to get to it! Meet the family and see if the handout requests start. They will usually show up after a time. Thus my earlier post advice to take a year with a girl to check things out.

[MasterBlaster]

Hank Stram,

I appreciate your kind words. Your comments show a lot of experience and wisdom. Other posters will find it very useful.

Others,

I urge the other posters here not to pass isolated negative experiences as the "truth" especially if the facts are only supported by your own experience. Such action is prejudicial at best and serves no purpose. It is better to just lay down the facts and let the others decide how to interpret it. Making generalizations based on one, two or three experiences is just plain fallacy. I don't think this section is intended to show how you could be infallible either. Show some wisdom like Hank did.

MasterBlaster

[Man In Search]

Comment from Slikery
<<I could not help but comment on this thread. I have always been attracted to asian women and put an ad on one of the asian penpal sites. I am 46 years old and average looking.

Every day I get intrest from 10 to 20 girls. This would be great but the majority of these girls are from 18 to 20 years old.

I wonder what an 18 year old girl wants with a 46 year old man.

I do not want to think bad of any of these girls but it does make me worry about marrying any of these girls.

Are they that desperate to get out of the Phillipines or are they truely interested in a 46 year old guy.>>
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Dear Friend(s),
I might seem to championing the case of philipina women too much, but believe me I have received wonderful treatment from all my rented asian girlfriends. I confess I have not been in relations that are 4 year old, but I have rented the same girl for 6 months in some cases. In all the cases I have expereinced good companionship and a very sensible head on lovely shoulders.

I may have been lucky.

But I am not talking about an isolated case, I've had similar experience with multiple girls.

To answer Slikery's specific question: Yes of course they are after the money. But your age is of much lesser consequence to them. They do not mind having a relation with a much older man. What they prefer is an understanding person. Well If he is rich then it is even better.

I am 40+ myself and my girlfriends are sometimes 20+. I am an Asian so the girls do not associate dollar with me. Also if I like a girl the first thing that I tell her is "I am not a rich guy", which I am not. So there iare no false expectations.

Even with this background, I have had very enjoyable expereinces with my girlfriends (and continuing to have the same even now).
Well I owe it to these girls to speak up for them. They are really wonderful girls.

I am sure there are whakeys and thieves among them, but which population is free from bad elements.

My two pence.

Happy mongering to all.

[English Dan]

Dear SLickery,

You write:

I wonder what an 18 year old girl wants with a 46 year old man.

I do not want to think bad of any of these girls but it does make me worry about marrying any of these girls.

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To offer a possible reasonable anwer to those questions, a young filipina's perspective on why she would have interest in an older Western man lies rooted partly in her culture and maybe partly in her experience.

1. Her culture will implicity respect older men as wise and sophisticated. With that comes a level of stability and nurturing that is attractive to women who are looking for a man who will be a good man to them and a stable family man for their future children.

2. Experience may be that the young filipino boys she goes out with are immature and possibly very promiscuous if not unfaithful. An older man may in fact be less unscrupulous and have a greater sense of loyalty to her...particularly as his own libiido is beginning to be less "charged". Unless he is a serial monger with a serious additiction problem - she may find such a guy attractive, cause for these women it isn't all about the "looks".

Incidentally the money does factor into the equation - but in the sense that the money gifts are seen as an expression of love.
(This is not to say that there aren't ruthless girls who are just out to milk you as I have had my experience with them before)

Hope this is helpful to you.

Hank

[English Dan]

Uniform,

I looked at your message below and you wrote:

It's not about being harsh, it's about reality. I was with my filipnia girl for over five years. I've seen the culture, the good side and the bad side. Could you bring over a 35 year old nurse and be ok, mabey. However, that's not what most guys bring home (ala the lbfm trophy wife). My ex was a trophy wife, as well as severa l of her girlfriends. All had awesome bodies and good manners about themselves. Almost all broke up with their older husbands after two (2) years! The only one who didn't is screwing around on the side and has multiple boyfriends she's told me about. Many will say and do anything to get to the US and get a husband. It's just reality that you need to be careful about. Even the girl I know who is staying with her older husband told me she's doing it for her stepkids, not him.

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Let me take a moment to underscore certain assumptions in your report:

1. reality - as defined by you is your limited experience with your gf (admitedly a bar girl) and her girl friends (presumably also from that bar culture) the so called trophy wives.
2. These girls are all young and broke up with their "older" husbands.
3. Many will do and say anything to get to the US and get a husband.
4. Even the one girl you knkow who is sticking with her husband is doing so only for the stepkids.

The assumptions above are again based on limited experience. Now that is reasonable to consider your experience along with others but if we are going to use the language of talking about "reality". Reality is that when a forty or fity something year old male finds a rather uneducated but pretty bar girl of twenty to be his wife, there are going to be some challenges.

Putting aside the age difference, these girls have often had to go this route because they did not have any other options. So they may be lacking in both education, sophistication, culture and maturity all those things play a role in socializing that person into becoming a suitable mate (though not necessarily all those traits are required). So while other girls may have been developing character such as self control, discipline, hard work, frugalness etc. these bar girls developed habits and character built around fast and easy money, the adrenaline rush, multiple partners etc. and in the process may have even developed certain behavioral addictions as a result of their lifestyle that compels them toward continued promiscuity - even if they really dont want to in their hearts. They may in fact need therapy to overcome these personal challenges. So any man that does marry one - better be prepared to take on this baggage and help her through her past - if she even wants it (she may not).

When looking at formulating healthy relationships, it has to go much deeper than an older guy being proud of the trophy wife. Please - I am not trying to pick a fight here or accuse you or anyone else for that matter, of being superficial or shallow or one dimensional in your approach. So much has to go into finding the righ mate and once it is reduced to the frame of "she is good looking", the girl really knows how to play that one easily. Sadly that basis of relationship is off to a bad start without having the really needed stuff to make a good friendship, rapport and mate for the long term. I have to wonder also if the girl deep down inside maybe resents that her perceived value lies in her "good looks" and not for who she is. While there may be some superficiality on her part in entering into a relationship such as she has, yet the esteem issue runs deep and may drive her away if she does not feel truly valued for who she is (or at least things she is) having been raised in a highly Catholic/relgious country.

The third assumption of saying or doing anything to get a husband is certainly valid as you worded it "many" qualifying it accordingly.

The fourth point - about the girl sticking around for the step kids is somewhat sad but certainly i have known many American women who stick around for the sake of the children and when college comes - off she goes to.

Thanks for your report. It was stimulating. Sorry for such a long response but am simply trying to continue to inject reason into the discussion on the board. Hopefully the guys will do better then your friends by not going after a bar girl 20 years their junior, but finding a woman who is in a healthy state of mind and not carrying alot of personal baggage and dsyfuntion. Perhaps a partner closer in age range would also add some more element of frienship and equality to the relationship, though Asian women ofter like older men because of the "respect factor" and "wisdom" often ascribed to them. This is attractive to them from a stabilty standpoint.

Best wishes

Hank

[Firedick]

Hank, MB & Man in Search,

Thanks for trying to mellow things out here.


To the rest,

What a bunch of pedantic posturing ! True, this is the "opinion and advice" section. But stop trying to impress us with your wisdom and experience. Does posting make you feel self important ? Get over it.

Anyone who falls in love with a bar girl is an idiot (IMHO) and deserves what he gets. But, people who paint all Filipinas with the same broad brush are no better.


FD

[Mikster]

FD and others,

Your right, it probably doesnt do much good for any of us to lecture on the risks of third world marriage. My report was more or less just anecdotal based on a horrible experience that I had. I have more of them, but i didnt want to go into the whole thing. Its not all about me, most of my horror stories are about other men who have used the shittiest judgement possible when out on the search for a wife. I have seen incredible stupidity displayed by otherwise extremely intelligent men. Last year, a friend of mine married an indian girl from Lima, Peru against EVERYONES advice, including a couple of her own friends. I saw him last week and he is severely depressed. She has turned into a ***** who complains about everything, has gotten fat, and wants a divorce. I cant tell you how this frightens me when I develop feelings for foreign women. I am so jaded and cynical that no woman really has a chance with me. Its too bad because I know I have let a couple slip through my hands that I shouldnt have, but I just couldnt pull the trigger and follow through. I could use a can of some Ronald Reagan optimism when I meet someone that I have a good feeling about. Then, the other part of me says why even bother thinking about marriage at all? There's really nothing in it for a man that is worth the risk with any women, and financial devastation is right around the corner if she decides to leave you. Remember, if you marry a foreign woman you are on the hook for a long period of support should things go south. I dont think a man can afford to be to careful in this process.

Anyway, just my opinion. Not intended to be a lecture or put down of anyone who disagrees with me.

Mikster

[MasterBlaster]

Slickery,

"I wonder what an 18 year old girl wants with a 46 year old man."

I will be blunt and honest but please don't get offended. I will just be laying down the facts for you. These are the reasons a "presumably" 18 year old girl expresses interests with a 46 year old man over the Internet:

1. She sees you as her knight in shining armor since she sees you as a way out of her misery (including her family's misery);

2. She had been in a bad relationship (possibly got pregnant) and unequivocably decided that all local guys are bad;

3. She sees you as attractive because you have the Western looks. This comes from the "colonial mentality" that persists in Philippine society. You could also bring prestige to the family.

4. She sees you as a stable figure who likely would not womanize because of your age;

5. Her family would like to get out of the country and decided that she is their only ticket. All the relatives pitch in responding to your e-mails and listen to all your phone conversations;

6. She wants you to sponsor you in her studies and make you a good Samaritan. She can be brazen as to say that "Western people are so nice they pay for everything for nothing."

7. You are just a potential con victim who they can get cash or profit from. Beware of attractive pictures especially if you haven't seen her on a webcam or does not let you talk over the phone. Most pictures are actually cut-outs from teen magazines. SOB stories are to be told with expectation to loosen your pocket. She may show her own picture but she might want you to buy her some cell phone loads which she is crazy about.

8. You are just part of "her" girlish fantasy. Some are gay playing irresistable girl. It's their pictures that were posted but their voice and mannerism is the tie-breaker;

9. They like to have friends from foreign lands and maybe play house later. She really doesn't have a clue why she is doing it. She's probably still a kid.

10. You are just so irresistable even James Bond couldn't compare to you.

You take your pick. I hope you keep this in mind. Good luck!

MasterBlaster

[MasterBlaster]

Uninfun and others,

If you think reality is that Western guys always bring Third World "trophy" wives then so be it, however, don't expect that special rules or privileges apply to these people. I understand that you've been seeing this as a trend for which you have suffered yourself, but, couldn't you just rationalize that a successful marriage is not based on looks alone? Maybe you already thought about this.

In my opinion, marrying a bar girl is the biggest mistake that a Westerner could ever make. Bar girls are light years away compared to normal working girls. Bar girls work on the idea on how to make a quick buck no matter what while a normal working girl believes in the decency and dignity of labor. Bar girls have started from being desperate, abused, demeaned and later being the poser, user and abuser. They are psychologically damaged in the head because they can never really escape from being desperate, abused and demeaned even if they get married to a Westerner. In the Philippines, a bar girl is looked upon as one of the lowest in society. They are always suspect to being a prostitute. They are always the gossip of the neighborhood. They are teased while they walk the streets. Their families usually shun them or look at them as the gravy train.

Once I met this good looking ex-Olongapo bar girl from a trendy nightclub in Texas. We traded stories finally I asked her how she got to America. It was a friendly conversation. Along the way, she explicitly told me she married this old guy but she left him at home to party. Guys were practically buying her drinks left and right then this young guy came and she introduced him to me as his new man. Then suddenly in the middle of the conversation, she ordered me to buy drinks otherwise she wouldn't talk to me no more. What a pompous ass! I said whispering: In the Philippines, you are practically a 1,000 peso w****! The good thing I didn't call her PUTA or she'd probably let loose her w**** fury. I felt sorry for the old guy who brought her.

Bottomline, looks could only go so far.

MasterBlaster

[Rorschach]

Just my two cents worth, from a native of the Philippines.

I realize that a lot of those who post on this thread (or this forum) are really foreign to the Philippines. I bet even a lot of you will be caucasian, which really make you stand out in the crowd over here. I understand how easy it is to generalize and put down Filipinas because of the bad experiences you guys may have had. However, like what a lot of others have said, you just made a bad pick.

Face it, if you pick up a "working girl," don't expect her to be all nice to you and not to exploit you. That's their ultimate intention really. Foreigner or not, you really can't trust these women especially with regard to money matters. Just like picking up a cheap hooker in any country.

Now, some of you may ask "why can't I get a decent girl in the Philippines?" Here's what I think happens:

The bad eggs (working girls looking to exploit foreigners) are all over the place, especialy in public malls and bars. The more foreign you look, the more they'll approach you. So, you may think you met a decent girl, but you just met a very good con artist in disguise. Also, looking at the pics you guys post here, I see that your tastes lean more towards the exotic (a.k.a. half-monkey) women. Honestly, there are a lot more pretty women here than you may realize. I know because I've availed of the local services as well. It will probably cost you guys just as much to get a decent escort service as it is to pick-up an ugly woman who's all ready to put out just because she sees you've got a fat wallet.

Now, decent girls are a difficult catch if your a strange looking foreigner. There is the local mentality that foreigners here are always looking for a quick wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am thing. So, you probably will have a very difficult time getting to know any decent local girl. Besides, the upper scale women here have the idea that AIDS and other STD are more prolific in the western countries, so one-nighters with a foreigner are dangerous. Further, please don't dress up like garbae when you're walking around. If you look like trash, you'd probably attract trash too.

Just some word of advice, don't get too involved with paid women. The reason you're paying for their services is so that you can part ways and forget each other after. Sex is cheap in the Philippines, so stop trying to get any freebees and you'll probably remain safe from those girls that are after your money thinking you're gonna give them a better life in some other part of the world.

[Action Star]

This is my first report on the forum. I have read the opinion of all members. I would just like to say if you want a Filipina, just enjoy with her but dont get seriously involved else you would be heart broken. That's the best way to sum it up.

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[Uninfun]

Hank,

Thank you for your reply. I guess we can agree to disagree, but I feel that I need to clarify two important points.

First, my ex was not a bar girl. Out of all of her freinds, only one was a bar girl. My ex came over on a pen pal service and I met her in the US years later. She was from a real conservative family.

Second, she was older than me by a couple of years. Again, it wasn't the age difference at all. In five years I met her family (which was great though it is true about the extended family asking for money), and her friends, almost all of whom were filipina. There certainly was some good side, but the bad side unfortunately prevented my relationship from working. Similar problems arose in her friend's relationships.

As I said before, if and when I retire and move to Phillippines, I would definately get into a relationship there (no marriage though), but here, I'll stick to others. Just my two cents.

[J Boy]

I guess I'll dive in on this one. I don't believe for a minute that a bar girl can't leave the bars and have a great relationship with some guy. I think the reason Americans who marry bar girls have such low success rates is that the girls never loved them in the first place. The girls married them for practical finacial reasons - to escape their current circumstances. If those same girls married for love rather than money the odds of a happy permanent relationship would go up dramatically.

I do agree that the bar life has negative effects on girls that they will need to work out but they can be worked out. I think it would be harmful to self esteem, make them distrust men, addict them to the excitement, etc.

So what is my conclusion? I won't marry a bar girl. I'm over 50, over weight, bald - I doubt the girl's attraction would be real. But if I were a good looking younger guy - I don't know. If I did fall for a bar girl I would live with her IN THE Philippines - unmarried. And I would try to get her into counseling.

[Migrant One]

My 2 cents, or pesos,

Many of the ladies that provide the services we want come from poor families and have very little options.

Unlike the US it is virtually impossible to break out of the lower classes in the third world countries. Combine this with a culture (many not just in the Phillipines) that accept prostitution, and you have the ladies.

Let's face it sex is friction, and a physical act only. and to many cultures that is why the stigma that we Americans have doesn't exist.

Like everything, there is no absolutes, but I know some bargirls from asian countries that have made good wives, long lasting relationships.

The difficulty is finding the ones that are honest, they exist, but many that are also lying for the chance to come over here and the money.

Younger women fall for older men, it happens and with many of the cultures we hobby in, the men can be real jerks.

If one wishes to hook up with a working lady, I would counsel take your time as here, the more time you are together, the more you get to know the person. It's difficult with long distance, but hey, if your serious, it's a small price to pay.

Migrant

[Leo Monti]

Mikster wrote:

"Remember, if you marry a foreign woman you are on the hook for a long period of support should things go south."

Hello to all you guys. I've read many time on this web site opinions like this, and I think there is a misunderstanding there. Financilay would it be so different,when things goes wrong but you have married a girl of your land?? IMO your problems will be the consequence of the fact that you trusted a girl (most of them) who dosen't really cares at you, independently she is a foreign woman or not. :)

Only my opinion.

Peace

Leo

[MasterBlaster]

Action Star aka Mr 1-post,

What report? Kill more brain cells and work your way up to at least 1/20-th the number of postings of the people in the discussions especially when you feel like summarizing for them. At least, we won't think of you as a Boy Scout doing your sacred oath.

MasterBlaster

[MasterBlaster]

Trim Keeper,

The statement "I wonder what an 18 year old girl wants with a 46 year old man" is not specifically about bar girls. Anyways, this section is about Filipinas and not bar girls. And, if you think your opinion about an 18 old girl being happy with a 46 year old negates the thousands of successful marriages between 18 year olds and 40+ or 50+ Westerners then you must be using a faulty crystal ball. I agree that many have been unsuccessful but it simply means NOT ALL. Do not assume that every human being in the planet has money and material gains in their minds. Third World people may not be rich but I would assure they can find happiness with just a little comfort and a little kindness.

MasterBlaster

[MasterBlaster]

Trim Keeper,

The topic was about 18 year olds expressing interests for a 46 year old man in a penpal site; a topic raised by Slickery. You made a simplification that all these 18 YO are all bad and bound to ruin the man's life. These 18 YO are from the general population; so, how could you have made that simplication? For sure, you associate them with the bar girls, your rented gfs or unsavory characters you're capable of attracting.

I am NO foreigner so my perspective is definitely different than yours. But I'm no stranger in trying to attract other women in other countries either, that is, including First World countries. The truth is any woman in any country can potentially screw you up. The problem is some people think they deserve a better deal than anybody just because they came from a First World country. And when the failure happens, these people just find it convenient to malign everybody else from the Third World country for the s*** they got themselves into. That is just Western arrogance. The truth is the foreigner is the "chooser" and the Third World country girl is the "chosen". So, who's fault is it if the relationship failed? If you think others would want to shoot their own foot just let them do it and call them stupid later, but, quit painting all Filipinas as beasts out to get you.

MasterBlaster

[MasterBlaster]

Trim Keeper,
You're problem is you generalize too much and you go off context and you have a lot to say about the Philippines yet your experience did not even go more than 4 months. The first time you came to the Philippines was April as stated in your previous posts. When you were running after pussy all this while, when did you get the moment of clarity that you understood how life is in the Philippines? Have you really the chance to met normal people? I don't dispute everything you said but please put everything in context.

MasterBlaster

[Sho Nuff]

Master Blaster

you are right man I am a Afro-American and I love your country man the hospitality is like none other and I have traveled the world extensively via the US army Hungary, Korea etc.... but I met a girl she was not a bar girl we made love cause it was not hot sex to me I am 22 and handsome and I got a little dough(money) I can get that in my home city of Chicago she was a sweet little something though I do believe she wanted to make me love her with sex cause I told her over and over again it was not necessary but like you said we are the choosers.

[MasterBlaster]

J Boy, Migrant One,

I agree with what both of you said. There is still hope for a bar girl. I have met the nicest bar girls and they could easily pass as my childhood friend. Unfortunately, some have developed the bar mentality and find it difficult to really adjust to life outside of the bar. On the other hand, some are shameful of what they are doing but have no recourse since that is their only way out of a more unbearable situation. The difficulty, like you said, is knowing how to identify which one is which. Just to add, another is the difficulty of trying to live (once you are already married) with the knowledge that she was once a bar girl and the relationship constantly suffers since the trust level is never constant. I wouldn't recommend it to anybody, and, personally, I do not want to be in that situation. Besides, there are a lot more decent girls to be had without going through those complications. I really appreciate you writing sensible and stimulating comments unlike some who could only write wildly.

Happy mongering.

MasterBlaster

[MasterBlaster]

Wil Kil,

Glad your enjoying yourself in the country. The more you get in tune with the locals the more you get action. You will also love it in Australia as the locals are also fun loving and they enjoy Asians and Afro-Americans like no other country I know. Upon arriving at the airport, the women are already flirting and the bars are so full of gorgeous women. I court women even on the streets and they respond. I snagged myself a few and it cost me practically nothing. The P4P is also excellent especially in Sydney. The quality of the girls are so high I can't believe it. It's like meeting girls from the covers of Cosmopolitan and Vogue magazines and it's not expensive either. The escort services even have higher quality. I went to Penthouse in Pitt Street and I banged women of various race and color for two days. It was like the United Nations there but filled with beautiful ready to f*** rated 10 women. I almost fulfilled my dream of "going around the world" and f***ing women. I thought I could do it but upon hearing the different accents while they do their sex talk / moans / groans is like Viagra to the ears and the Johnson just kept on raising up from the dead like clockwork. I think the only country I missed was Russia since I didn't have the time left. I'll probably just go to Toronto for that one or maybe go back to Sydney for another "trip around the world". Sorry for the sidetrip. Well, have fun and treat those Filipina GFs of yours nice like you already do. BTW, how is Hungary action? I love Slavic women. Their butts are the best.

MasterBlaster

[MasterBlaster]

Trim Keeper,

I thought you were just confused; now, you are a liar. The last time you left the Philippines was 35 years ago that puts you at 6 years old back then. The only thing that was clear back then was that you wanted your baby bottle. The most recent was 4 months ago. That makes you an expert? See your own post - they don't lie.

http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=201502#post201502

http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=200202#post200202

Anyways, my age is no further that yours and I wasn't wearing my daddy's shorts like you claim I was. Surely, i'm not an idiot coz I beat you. Are you an ambulance lawyer? A public defender can beat you. You don't run after pussy? You flew 3,000 miles just to get pussy. Don't kid me. Keep boasting and don't forget to pay somebody an SMB.

MasterBlaster

[MasterBlaster]

'Your review of my posts are only what "I" want people to know about me! '. What kind of defense is that? For a lawyer, you suck! Oh, I'm sorry, you might not be a lawyer.

[Fastpiston]

Masterblaster, Trim Keeper,
Why don't you both have a time out for a week and allow us others to use this excellent forum for what it is intended.

[MasterBlaster]

Fastpiston,

Since you put it so nicely, I will comply. NO word from me after this since he already invoked a suicide defense.

MasterBlaster

[Lucifer69]

Just to lighten the mood in this room. If you have been with a filipina for some time, I got 12 years with the same one, you will really relate to a lot of these.

You may be married to a Filipina if...

While this has circulated on the internet for quite some time, I have no idea who originally wrote it, though there can be NO doubt that the fella has a Filipina wife...by the way, this is all in good fun, so I hope no one is offended by some of the broader generalizations here. Some of these items I didn't understand myself, but most struck a familiar chord, and my wife enjoyed it (well, most of it), so I figure it's safe for public consumption.
________________________________________________

You may be married to a Filipina If... (written by an American guy who loves his Filipina wife in spite of the numerous irregularities):

* Your refrigerator is always full but you cannot find any food that you recognize

* Instead of a dowry, you got the whole bill for the wedding and honeymoon

* Most of the decorations in your house are made of wicker

* You are expected to be able to read her mind just by watching her eyebrows move up and down and by the way her lips are pointed

* All her relatives think your name is "Joe"

* The instant you are married you have 3,000 new close relatives that you can't tell apart

* Your house isn't really on fire, you've just got a very charred fish on top of the stove burner

* All the desserts are sticky and all the snacks are salty

* She eats her fruit with giant salt crystals and her fried chicken with ketchup

* Even the ketchup tastes weird...very weird

* You throw a party and everyone is fighting to chop the leathery skin off a dead pig

* All your kids have 4-5 middle names

* Your in-laws take 10 years to acknowledge your existence and to call you by something other than "that white guy"

* You try to call her up on the phone and someone tells you "for a while" and you want to know "for a while, what??"

* You are trying to go to sleep and she keeps asking for the comFORT'r, and you ain't got a clue what she's talking about

* Your first Christmas present is some funny looking, baggy, see-thru shirt made out of leftover lace doilies

* Your phone bills are composed mostly of international and calls that average 3 hours each

* She sweeps with something that witches usually fly around on

* Her idea of classy, expensive champagne is Asti Spumante

* The rice cooker is on 24 hours a day and uses up 50% of your electricity and food budget

* On your first trip to the Philippines, you have 18 giant boxes that weigh 1000 pounds each and your "carry on" luggage requires a small forklift truck

* The same luggage is over filled with things that cost an average of 15 cents each like old magazines and M&Ms -- the worst part is when you get off the plane, the same stuff you've been hauling around half way around the world is available in every store in the airport for half the price!

* All her pajamas look like they were worn by the Dalai Lama until they got too faded and he discarded them

* The first time she's pregnant you have to go out at 4:00 in the morning looking for some weird type of greasy sausages, green mangoes and bagoong

* You buy a new $500 freezer so she can store 200 pounds of SPAM and CORNED BEEF that was on sale

* Everything in your house was bought on sale, even if you don't need it ... that it was a "bargain" is all that matters

* She gets really excited by sucking the fat out of pig knees

* Your daughter gets her ears pierced when she's 2 minutes old but your sons are not circumcised until they turn 21

* All your postage bills instantly double

* You hire a Ya-Ya because your wife ckeabs mirrors with soap and a sponge and the Ya-Ya seems cheaper than a divorce

* The only "white meat" she likes is YOU. And that's if you're lucky...

* Her favorite sauce is called "patis." Americans call it turpentine

* She actually thinks that bowling and golf and billiards are real sports and are more important than baseball and football

* You were married 5 years before she explained to you that "ARAY!" doesn't mean "ooh, baby!"

* She prefers bistek to beef steak

* Her idea of new upholstery is rinsing the bagoong stains out of the slip covers

* She can eat and talk at the same time; in fact that's her specialty!

* Her favorite meal is leftovers, her favorite fancy dessert is Jell-O mold and for something REALLY romantic, she'll offer you a halo-halo with 2 straws

* You still don't know the difference between manong and manok

* She and the kids are always saying "Daddy made utot" and you still don't know what it means, but they think it's pretty funny

* Other than eyebrow raising and lip puckering, her next most expressive form of communication is grunts and pssst's

* She goes to the movies just for the AC

* Her homeland has more Megamalls than islands

* Before every holiday and visit, her sisters fax you a 10 page "bilins" list which says "suggestion only"

* Your kitchen table has a merry-go-round in the middle

* All the vegetables she buys at the Filipino store look like they were grown at Chernobyl

* Her friends are named Chinky, Girlie, Boy and Bimbo and NO, you are not allowed to smirk

* Her home economics course only taught shopping, eating and siesta; cooking, cleaning and sewing were not electives

* Her idea of edifying reading is gossip magazines

* All your place settings have the silverware backwards and there are no knives

* She washes her hair with a bucket and her car with a broom

* Her favorite book (she has 3 copies) is "1001 New Recipes for Pig Parts You Were Gunna Throw Out"

* You are the only family in a 200 mile radius with 2 Betamaxes, 3 televisions

* She's done her best job planning a surprise party for you if she manages not to tell you about it until a week or two before

* She "cleans" her closet by throwing all the crap into your closet

[Asian Lover 01]

Lucifer,

Dude...this is so funny! I've seen most of these at one time or another, but its funnier when revisited haha. I've only been with mine for 3 years but everything still holds true LOL.

Thanks for the laughs :) (Oh, and for you guys that wonder these are ALL true!)

[GoodEnough]

Lucifer:

Great post! That's the first time I have ever seen this list, and it reconfirmed my commmitment never to marry a Filipina! I have noticed many of the same things with live-in girlfriends, which may explain why I do not hang on to any of them very long.

[Mikster]

Lucifer, GoodEnough,

Great post Lucifer. Its amazing what you can learn even when its meant to be funny. GE, your right. I have always thought filipinas were best kept as LBFM and leave the marriage part to other guys. Sad, but most likely true.

I love banging filipinas the best of any I have had, but I really believe that for an American, a latina is probaby the best bet in the crapshoot that is foreign marriage. My OP only.

Dragon Slayer,

Dude, your right. I have been busy banging japanese broads, but I have tried to write you. Your inbox seems to always be full, and I did try writing to your other email and I dont know if you got it or not, but I did send it.

Mikster

[GoodEnough]

Mikester:

The other thing I have recently noticed (and experienced) here is the aggressive and really unpleasant jealousy of women, when one has a relationship with a foreigner and the other, who wants such a relationship, does not have one. Even the best of friends, it seems, will go to great lengths to undermine each other in an attempt to destroy the relationship of the lady with the foreign boyfriend. Though I have lived here for the better part of a year now, this is the first time I've observed this phenomonon, and having discussed it with other expat friends here, I'm convinced that my experience is not unique.

It appears to me that the penchant for wanting to destroy that which the "other" has, even though such destruction offers no benefit to the underminer, is more prevalant here than I had realized. I finally decided just to divorce myself from the whole mess and to refrain from commenting on the stories, allegations, distortions and general lies being circulated about me. It seemed to work, as I simply refused to provide anymore fuel to the fire.

Maybe the situation exists because there is a limited number of foreign men here and the competition for their affections, and their wallets is fierce. Or maybe the situations like this fester because the women have so little else to occupy their time. Whatever the reason, such situtions create hurt feelings and unnecessary hassles,

[Member #1986]

GoodEnough

Hahahahahahah, I see you have learned grasshopper. That is true what you speak. Its called the crab mentality of the filipino people. If one person starts to get ahead and rise up, the others will grab them and bring them back down to their level.

Like you said even though there is no monatary gain for the crab in doing this they still like to grab onto them and drag them back down to the bottom where they dwell. No one there likes to see another succeed above them before they do.

Your experience is not unique my son, it is probably one of the most non thought about practices that happens, its just second nature to them. Just count it as a good day that you learned something. Thats just the way it is and it ain't gonna change in our life time. Thanks for the honest report. It helps all.

[Wildone59]

I met my wife in the New York club in Kinville Okinawa in 1989 while there as a Marine, I brought her here in July of 1990 on a fiancee visa and we were married in Aug of 90, she now has US citizenship, in retrospect I should have followed my Grandmother's wish and request that 'Don't bring one of those asian girls home'

My wife has 4 brothers and 4 sisters, and the amount of support that has been sent has increased along with my income, my wife has not really contributed into the marraige, her income for the first ten years was her own (when she worked), plus she had to have money from me. Then when she was convinced to join her income with mine to pay off bills she could not live within her allowance, and complained that I was spending the money.

She has changed from being a LBFM to a frigid, coniving, controlling *****. Her priorities are to support her brothers and sisters families, (one of her sisters has 8/9 kids) and now I pay for her younger sisters appartment with refridgerator and the works, while her sister and brother sit on their ass.

I went once to meet her family and it was a non-stop flow of people daily asking for money.

Once my sister needed some help and my wife was enraged that she might have to help my family. I loaned one of my brothers a thousand dollars and my wife acted like I gave away our life savings, my neice is asking to come and stay with us to have a new start for her and her two kids and my wife is acting like its the end of the world.

I don't mind helping people, and I don't mind helping my wife's family, but I do mind providing for people that won't hellp themselves.

My Advise to everyone is to fuck them and leave them there.

[Wildone59]

Ljohnson,

It was mostly told of the hazards of being married to a fillipina, that they are extreemly one sided and very narrow minded.

I don't give them money, my exwife did which is why she lives in an apartment and I have the house.

And lets add one and one, you say you have been married for thirty years, yet your in here?, sounds like something is missing

I do understand that they have not had much, but that is mostly due to the selfishness and petty bickering these people do.

[GoodEnough]

Wildeone59:

I agree with Ljohnson. Why not "just say no." The only two possible outcomes seem to be that your wife, seeing some steel in your backbone, backs off and stops hassling you, or she leaves, which seems to be a conclusion that you would have no problem accepting. What's the worst that could happen? You get diviorced and she gets half your income as alimony? Sounds from what you said that this would amount to less than you're paying now. Tell her to fuck off and see what happens.

[Funny Go Lucky]

Wildone59

What happend with you ? You can not say NO ?? What are you afraid off ?

Do not complain to anybody about the things happend to you. You make your own mess.

Learn to say NO

[Frequent Flier]

Wildone59?

Or more likely Whimpone01.

I believe you have possibly heard enough already from fellow mongers here.

If not, and since I live here in the USA and I am guessing you do also, let me be the one to come kick you in your ass and get your manhood rebooted.

I will of course sedate this with some beer.

Holy shit my friend. I would love to come help you with moral support. Yes, that is right. Moral support. Because what your going through is a crime.

In the mean time I will also take some of your wife's female relatives and show them the realities of life as well.

Just let me know if you need some help with your backbone.

FF

[Wildone59]

Ljohnson,

This was intended as an example of how these broads can be, if I had a dollar for every fight my wife and I had when I said no and she went and did it anyway I would not be missing the money.

As I stated in the first post, you can't help but have some empathy for these people, but then again most of them don't set themselves up to go anywhere.

I gave my wife the benefit of multiple chances due to her being abandoned and forced to work this way by her family, and also having an abusive BF before me, and her resultant bi-polar disorder due to the neglect and abuse.

Marraige is also supposed to be a commitment until death.

Yes, I do have backbone, she is soon to be an ex-wife.

I am curious as to why you are here in this type of forum if you have been so happily married for 30yrs

GoodEnough,

'just say no', I have said NO, No, No, so many times and so many ways to her that I thought that 'No' was the main word in the english dictionary.

When she agreed that I was right and then she did it anyway, typical filipina style, was when I realized that it woud never work with her.

Wildone59

[GoodEnough]

Wildone59:

Sorry for my off the cuff comments. It's always easy to give perfct advice when you know nothing about the context or the people involved. I'm glad that you finally dumped her. It sounds to me like you did everything you could to make it work.

GE

[Dinghy]

Wildone - "cheaper to keep her". Mine would get close to 1/2 mill if we split "Happily"? (but non-Asian)

[Vaquero]

Regarding Filipinas and women of many cultures: Do what's good for you.

Many women, U.S. and other, are going to try their best to exploit you through feelings of sympathy. It's in our nature, as men, to act to a degree lke guardians and protectors.

But also remember that many women will not only tell you tales of woe and abuse, but they'll also entirely invent them. So take it with a grain of salt when your girly tells you she was in an abusive relationship before you came along.

And if your girly's family is overseas, the chance that her father needs help with his hospital bills is more likely that he wants a shiny DVD player, or if he's a brighter fellow, maybe a new deck.

There are exceptions to the rule, but in many cases, you can take the girl out of the favela, but you can't take the favela out of the girl. And in the favela, sometimes the only assett a girl has is her sweet body and smile. That unfortunate truth breeds a lot of conniving putanas.

At 34, I've had my heart broken a few times. My credit rating is still intact.

[English Dan]

Hi guys!

Does anyone know how difficult it is for filipina girl to get a visa to visit me in the USA for a week or two? IS there much paperwork involved in this or is it pretty straightforward? Thanks for the advice here.

Hank

[GoodEnough]

Hank Stram:

On the off chance that your post is not a joke, I can tell you that the chances are between slim and none. The entire process takes at least 6 months and the percentage actually granted visas is quite small.

[Wastrel]

After much paperwork and expense it will eventually be very straightforward: the answer will be no, she can't, buzz off and have a nice day.

Unless she is chief of surgery at an elite hospital and her dad is a wealthy tycoon and her mom is a high government official, the U.S. authorities will almost always decide (rightly or wrongly) that there is insufficient reason to believe that a poor, working, or middle class Filipina will not overstay, and applications for U.S. tourist visas are routinely denied to ordinary Philippine citizens.

It is a lot easier for YOU to visit her in the RP.

[Trisomie]

Trisomie,

Ever wondered why the Chinese dominate trade and commerce in the Philippines?

Simple - they help one another out and work together through "guangxi" (connections/networking) for the greater good of the community (Chinese, that is).

What's my point?. Well lets just say that "crab" analogy suits Filipinos to a tee.

They are so engaged in sponging, mooching and trying to bring others down in their sly mischievious ways that, unlike the Chinese,are not smart enough to realize that the way to get ahead is by working together. These people want a free ride and will try and sink their claws into you at the first oppurtunity (another crab analogy?).

Remember the 4 F's for Filipinas;

Find her
Feed her
Fuck her
Fling her

If you want a serious relationship with a women, go Chinese/Korean or Japanese.

Flips are too DYSFUNCTIONAL.

Cheers

Trisomie

[English Dan]

Good Enough and Wastrel,

Thanks for the responses. I anticipated somewhat that kind of response however, I have heard otherwise from Philpino friends here in the US. In the case of this woman, she is a married girl (though separated) with 4 children, college educated and working for a mulitnational in Phil and solidly middle class. Most importantly does have something to return to in Phil...4 children. So I guess I kind of figured she would be a safe bet for visa for tourist visit.

I guess maybe I am wrong - unless someone else has another insight into this. My Phil friend here in states said that because of the overstaying of visas and stuff they have reduced visa stays for 2 months.

Hank

[Wildone59]

Hank Stram

I brought my wife overhere on a fiancee visa, that took 13 months, and I would not send support money to your girl, it only sets you up as money source for her, she would always come up with a reason for you to send her money.

I would take time off and visit her there, and half think about surprising her, this way you would know if she has a regular filipino guy as a BF that she really likes, and using you for money.

[Wastrel]

hank,

i find the information from your friends interesting. not sure what to do with it, but interesting. i happened to be in manila when the philippino gossip grapevine overthrew a government, and i tend to respect the potency of their international telepathic chatter network, so i wouldn't want to lightly dismiss their understanding of the matter. my home base in the u.s. is near las vegas, which has a very substantial fil-am community, so i will probably try to ask some folks here about it in case my knowledge of the tourist visa situation is obsolete or they have some insight in how to outwit it.

something else i would want to consider if i was going to try what you want to do is that i have found that international flights originating in the rp tend to be more expensive than trips originating from the u.s. to the philippines. it is possible that i just don't know where or how to look for them, but i haven't found r/t fares from manila for anything like the $600usd consolidator fares i know i can get in the other direction, and even the all-asia pass from cathay pacific that i am familiar with required that the junket begin from lax, sfo, or sea-tac. on the other hand, maybe your filipina friend can catch a better deal with pal becuase she is a philippine national, and i am not.

wastrel

[HotSam]

Nobody here with good experience in marriage with Filipinas???
Maybe is not the forum for it.....

I'm not interested in marriage, but i read many posts of every country and i found the same prolems everywhere.
In the past i thought that a Filipinas is one of the best choice....

Maybe the problem is not the nationality.....

[Lucifer69]

HotSam,

I have been living in the Philippines for the better part of 10 years and been married to the same girl for more than 12.

I think that the best way is to stay away from the bar girls as they tend to learn the bad habits of easy come easy go. They don't really have a lot of common sense in the financial department.

I think the waitresses, department store girls, regular business store girls are a much better choice. I met mine overseas and we decided to move back to the Philippines after we had made a few trips there together.

I accidentally came upon the following website and found that it had some really good information.

http://filipinawives.com/

It can answer a lot of questions without the bitterness common to this board of bad experiences. It can and does work out with filipinas.

[GoodEnough]

I know more than a few Filipinas here, several of them middle class, who spend a reasonably high proportion of their time establishing and maintaining internet-based relationships with guys in the US and Europe. Several maintain relationships with 3-5 guys who send them money, propose marriage, and offer to take them out of the country. Having read the posts and listened to the phone calls from these guys, it appears that many of them are convinced that they're "engaged" to these women.

Leaving aside for the moment, the wisdom of proposing marriage to somone they have never met, and about whom they know nothing at all, the fact is that the creation of as may of these relationships as possible is, for Filipinas, somewhat of a national sport. Many of these guys call the women once or even twice a day, and do not appear to consider the fact that their "fiancees" have multiple virtual relationships. The rationale, from the standpoint of the women seems to be that from among a skein of possibilities, one may actually work out and offer them a viable chance to get the hell out of here.

From the standpoint of the guys, I have no clue what's in their heads. Perhaps they're motivated by the mistaken though noble belief that they are going to "save" the women from lives of poverty and neglect. Perhaps they're unwilling or unable to sustain actual relationships in their own countries, or perhaps they're playing games as well and have several simultaneous relationships with groups of women. All I can tell you is that here in the Philippines, it's a huge con game from which the women derive substantial financial benefits.

Recently, I was in bed with an adorable woman, had just finished an intense bout of making love with her, and her phone rang. It was her "boyfriend/fiancee" from Europe telling her how much he loved her. She carried on an apparently sincere conversation with him, reassuring him how much she loved him, he promised to send money, and she went back to fucking my brains out. She told me later she had several such relationships and never expected any of these guys to actually show up.

I think the lesson to be learned here for you guys out there who maintain these relationships from 12,000 miles away is that things are rarely as they seem and the chances are good that while you're fantacizing about the girl, and sending her money for support, the chances are excellent both that a few other guys are doing the same thing and that she's fucking one or more non-virtual guys on the ground in the Philippines. Do not delude yourselves into thinking that you're the chivalrous white knight responsible for the survival of the woman, or that your Pygmalion dreams are anything but dreams.

We say in French: "Un homme averti en vaux deux," which means that a man who has been warned is worth two of one who has not been. Consider yourselves warned.

GE

[English Dan]

Good Enough,

I am quite curious about the kind of girls you are referring to. I know that stated these were "middle class" girls and certainly a young lady working in a bar can eventaully earn enough money to be considered "middle class". You gave the story of you screwing a girl who was having multiple relationships with Europeans and reasurring a fiancee of her love and devotion. Was this a bar girl or a nice girl you met working in a professional setting.

Please set the context for your statement about these girls "bilking" as many guys as they can for their money. Are these decent professionals working normal jobs or dysfunctional, poverty stricken desperate girls or bar girls?

your generalization is not clear about the "class of girls" you are referring to. Thanks for some clarity here.

Hank

[Frequent Flier]

Hank,

I actually had a message on an Filipina internet date site from a girl in the same position as your girl. She also had four children.

In the message she told me that she was looking for a relationship with a guy from the USA and that she was willing to leave her four children at home to have a husband in the USA to have a better live and be able to support her children. That she would love him and please him and also have hopes to get a job to send money back to her four children. In other words, you are now supporting her children and the family they are staying with.

I understand her situation, but her message left me with an impression that she was trying to leave her children permanently and really didn't want the responsibility anymore. While others may look at her as sacrificing and very caring. I thought he total opposite.

Just me opinion

FF

[Frequent Flier]

Goodenough,

The part of your message giving the possible main reason for most or some of the girls carrying on more than one interent relationship. Because they do not know which guy will actually come through with all the promises is why I don't blame them for having multiple possible suitors on the hook. To many guys play with their feelings as well.

I also hold a very little sympathy for those girls who are bilking multiple guys out of their loot and never have any intention of actually going through with her promises. If she is any good, the money she can bring in is far more what she would make with the poor job opportunities and poor pay if you do get a job in the Philippines. Because if the guy is naive enough to believe her, then someone is going to take his money sooner or later anyway. So why not her.

I have had many girls on yahoo chat who talk of wanting to meet me during my next trip to the Philippines. Soon after I agree that it would be nice to meet her she begins talking about needing to stay in touch with each other till I arrive to the Philippines.

Then she gets around to telling me that she cannot afford to stay in touch because she has no job. So, would I support her in staying in contact with me.

Of course I always tell them no and let them know exactly why. They always come back that they are not like that, but if I think he is that's OK. I respond that I'm sorry if I upset her, but there are to many girls lying and playing games on Chat sites.

I tell her to give me her cell phone number and I will call her when I get to the Philippines. If we actually make contact then it was meant to be, if not then guess what?

Just wanted to share one very common scam that I have had tried on me many times.

FF

[Mookman]

Hey how about some advice for me.

On my last trip to Cebu I met a girl there who worked in the mall. She's a sales lady at one of the botique stores.

First off, I'm not looking for a serious relationship so it wouldn't break my heart if she was screwing some other guys. I just want tips on how to tell if she's telling the truth or not. I've read the past posts so I have some ideas but more advice is better than less.

Reasons that I want to know if she's straight foreward with me or not is that, if she's screwing around then I want to make sure I use protection always and if her story is true I plan on paying for tuition for her to finish college, she claims to have 2 years left. I'm not in love but sometimes I just like helping people and if she's legit I'd just help her out for the hell of it. Obviously I would pay tuition straight to the school not to her and check up with her professors on how she is doing and if she is showing up to class, etc.

From what I can gather she's just started her 5 month contract there at her store.

Some reasons that make me think she's a non-P2P girl is:

1. Works at a store, 6 days a week 8 hours a day. Why would a P2P girl spend hours all day and week working making 200p a day when she can work nights and make 5 times that. This is verified because I would drop by the store during the day and pick her up after work during the week I was there.

2. Has an old beat up crappy cell phone. I'm not talking even the old Nokia 3315 black and white that I bought for 3000p last month. The thing has to be a couple of years old and through a couple of past owners. P2P girls usually have a decent phone or top model phones since either they got the money or they have greed, that's why they are in the business.

3. Wardrobe is average with not many name brands, ie. Bench, JAG, Kamiseta, etc. I can tell she only has maybe a couple of clothes that she recycles for the week.

4. Lives in a boarding house with 3 other girls in the same room. Went to see it already.

So what would be some ways to check up on her and look for signs.

I repeat I'm not in love nor looking for a relationship with her, just looking for ways to verify her story to me so that if she's telling the truth I will help her with her schooling. When I say I will help her I don't mean for sex. I guess I have the typical knight in shining armor complex.

Mook

[Domino]

Mook: She is probably genuine so go ahead and give her a chance. And tell her you wil check up from time to time.

I bonked some ladies in Bangkok who were working in shitty factory jobs by day and doing some hooking by night. If her room mates are hooking, as would be natural if they need the dough and don't morally object to it, there would be pressure on her to do likewise.

Women are into shit like mobile phones; they are social creatures. Give her a break, and a new mobile phone too. If it works out, you will be happy.

[GoodEnough]

Mook:

You have already done the most logical thing, which is to drop by unannounced and confirm that she's where she said she would be. All of the other outward signs you mention point to her story being true. Go ahead. Help her with school. It's one of the best things you could do with your money, and you will make a difference in her life.

[Mookman]

well, here's some advice from me.

i asked her straight up why she's not hooking and has she ever and if not why not, let's face it, making 200p a day at a job that you have to stand all day is shitty in anybody's book.

her answer to me was that she just wasn't that type of girl and what would others think of her especially her board mates, who would instantly know. it sounds reasonable because she was always shy coming to my hotel room because she didn't want people to think that she was a hooker and didn't want to come up alone out of fear that security would stop her and accuse her of it. also she was very self-concious of stares that people gave us when we were out and about. all "working" girls i've met don't care.

domino, you are right about the roommates, she explained to me that there were different boarding houses for girls that were p2p, i would suspect a bit better than her place since she didn't have a/c. so i guess they congregate or pressure each other to work or work out of envy of the boardmate bringing in the big bucks.

at the same time guys, when i was in manila i picked up a freelancer at a bar, nice girl, was telling me that she did have a 9 to 5 job at a internet cafe and did this twice a week to supplement the income. her bf was sending her 20,000p a month and she worked. i was just thinking to myself is she must be spending that money on shabu cause she must be pulling in 25,000p then total and here she goes hooking just to make say an extra 2000p a week if she gets picked up, when she's raking in the cash already. who knows how many other suckers are also sending her money. even dropped by the internet cafe and saw her since it was at a major mall so she was legit.

while i'm at it, i'll tell you guys another girl i met, the day after the one above. she just turned 18 been "working" for 3 months. sold her virginity to a japanese guy for $1600 through ******* when she was 17. (i leave blank because i don't want to encourage any **** activities.) so this guys sends her 30,000p a month so that she won't "work". smart plan since he knows she's clean with no diseases but he didn't take into account her greed or need. so she tells me she does this 3 times a week to supplement her income. i pretty sure 30,000p a month is plenty to live on and i was grilling her about it. she says that she has to send money home every month because her dad can't work anymore, a sob story but don't know if it's true. also told me that how she ended up in manila from her province was that a lady came looking for virgins to work at ********* she would still be working there but the cops came and busted her and she got kicked out for being **** at the time.

that's why i'm skeptical myself after hearing these things in person. i did leave the girl in cebu my 3315 so she wouldn't have to use her beat up phone. if she doesn't get greedy and ask me for a color cell by her birthday in december, i'll get her a nice color phone since i know too that cell phones are the status symbol of the pi.

mook

[Domino]

Too depressing Mook. Treat her well, no fancy phones or expectations. Now I am off to SA in Thailand for, hopefully my last post for a looong time.

Some poor girls don't hook. It is interesting in Thailand to observe the cashier/receptionist as one walks a skank in.


bye bye.

[Migrant One]

I've never been to the Phillipines, but am getting involved with a Phillipina here in the states who has been here a little over a year.

She's a educated professional (not pro working girl) so perhaps a little different. She has kids and is on a tight budget, yet she does contribute.

The biggest thing that I'm still not sure where I stand on is her busy social schedule. 'auntie' this is here, lets visit, so and so wants us to, always somebody for a lady who hasn't been here long.

But she works hard, likes to fool around and even enjoys going out for drinks, so far so good.

Good thread, I enjoy reading the different comparisons.

Migrant

[J Boy]

I give up - what does p2p refer too?

[Mookman]

Sorry, I guess here the term P4P is used in the "Termes & Abbreviations" section. I'll use P4P from now on instead of P2P both have the same meaning though.

Sorry for all the sociology posts, just getting some things out there.

Mook

[HotSam]

Maybe in this forum everybody are talking about girls from big city like Cebu, Manila or woring in A.C. where is more possible for a foreigner to meet a p4p girl.
It can be different in some others places like a small city or island?
I ask because my friend is married with a girl from Malapascua (north of Cebu) and he is happy until now. He paid for the engagement party, the marriage, one year waiting the wife obtain the Visa, for the "poor" famuly of the wife, but no more than a marriage in Europe.
What do you think???
I know the same problem in Thailand and you can look the "perfect manual of a thai girl" (translate thai-english = "how to get money from several stupids foreigners")

[MasterBlaster]

Here's a suggestion on how to be generous with a Filipina and not get abused as a result. Do not offer things that she is not accustomed to without any controls. For example, do not offer school money without seeing her school card on a regular basis or have her write you of her progress or possibly get copies of receipts. Believe me, anybody who is given the opportunity to receive free money would not know the difference between $500 and $1,000. In other words, when you offer a hand it is likely that she will ask for your arm; unless, an offer actually means some work on her part or something that insinuates that money is not that easy.

[GoodEnough]

Hank Stram and Frequent Flier:

Hank: It's a fair question. By "middle class" I mean girls who have been to university and completed their degrees, are working in "regular" jobs, for the most part in offices, do not frequently the tawdrier places, though may go to Venue on ladies night, and appear to come from families who at least had the means to send them through school. These girls, perhaps because of the higher educations they have received, or perhaps just because they are frequently accessing the world wide web, seem to have caught a glimpse of "the good life," and have decided that they cannot acquire it on their own, nor can they hope to achieve it with Filipino boyfriends.

From what I can gather, quality of life for them, is synonomous with high fashsion, fancy electronics, good jewelry, and the fun things that money can by. Middle class, in the context of the Philippines, means having enough to get buy. It does not imply the ability to afford any luxuries.

Frequent Flier: I am not denigrating the girls who are doing this. They're doing what they think they need to do before settling for a much less glamorous life. I am also not dissing the guys who do this, but I must admit that it's something I simply do not understand. If these guys are so hungry for love, or to go on a quixotic quest to save the poor and downtrodden, they should invest in a trip here and at least meet the ladies to whom they're getting "engaged."

Most of the girls, or at least the ones to whom I've spoken, know that the talk about love and marriage is boola boola (bullshit) but they will happily take the money and do what they can to sustain the fantasies of the guys on the other end. I asked one of these girls a couple of days ago, what she would do if one of the guys ever showed up. She responded quite honestly I think, by saying: "I have no idea." And when I asked whether, as the guy would expect,she would hop right into bed with him, she said she did not think so because she wouldn't even know him! I guess the lives most of these guys lead, whether in the States, Europe or Australia, is pretty limited and emotionally barren, and maybe this type of thinking is what gets them through the night.

[Mookman]

GE,
Your points are well taken but some people don't want to listen. Also lets be realistic here for a lot of guys I've seen in the philippines, they are not the most desireable guys by woman in terms of looks and personality, forget about wealth.

I met a guy in the PI that was over 40, never married, personalility of a door knob, I can see why he says he only gets laid when he takes a overseas trip or at local massage parlors. Sure there are guys who can get woman from home but choose to find someone overseas but the majority I've met especially in Angeles more so than other places.

I usually travel alone so I randomly chat up other guys when I'm in the PI. Sometimes the stories I hear about their lives and how they live is more depressing than what some the girls go through. Their lives are limited and emotionally barren like you said.

I'm not complaining much though because to tell you the truth, if I didn't have my girlfriend, who I met during college in the US, I might turn out the same way eventually. haha.. Not being able to sustain a normal relationship as equal partners and having to have leverage such as money to keep a girl.

Harsh, on my part but never the less true.

Mook

[GoodEnough]

Mook:

I know exactly the genre of guys you mean and have met several here. However, it's one thing to pay for decent sex. It's another to send money into the ether for some chick you've never met and, for all one knows, whose picture you've never really seen. I can understand being ugly, having the personality of a turnip and the brains to go with it, being frightened of commitment, and still being horny enough the pay for it. Fine. I just cannot understand the internet-based relationships, and I know, being a Sociologist, I should not be judgmental, but the whole practice bothers me.

I am well on the far side of fifty, out of shape, and hardly the answer to a young girl's fantasies. Yet, I have no problems here getting laid and not paying for it most of the time. I figure if I can do this, so can most guys. If the internet relationship fellows would save up for a few months, retaining the money that they're sending over here, they could easily afford a trip, so financial constraints should not be a major issue. It's all a great mystery to me. Maybe I could write a best seller about it.

[Mookman]

I had a 2 week trip so I have a lot of things to write about the PI so let me get started.

Since GE is talking about guys who meet girls on the internet and send them money sight unseen, I'll start on internet girls.

So 2 months before my trip I started going to all the usual personals websites. I signed up, even paid for a months membership in the hopes that I would meet a nice girl to show me around and get some for free, isn't that what every guy practically goes to the sites for?

So I contacted 10 girls total that I kept in reasonable contact with throught out the 2 months. Chatting on yahoo and a couple of emails here and there.

Got pictures from all of them and they were cute or decent at the least.

So I ended up meeting all of them throughout the week, may I just attest that I will go kill the inventor of Photoshop because it makes an ugly girl into a pretty one in pictures.

I swear, 8 out of the 10 were nothing like their pictures. I mean nothing. If I had to go by the pictures I would never be able to pick them out of a line up.

For example, this one girl I met, in her pictures she has a nice complextion and clear skin, I meet her in person, she has the most acne I've seen in my life with tons of foundation on to hide it. All the girls I've met that had good pictures of nice skin and a cute face were photoshoped.

So you fellas that haven't met the girl yet and only seen pictures you're not going to get what you expected.

I even saw one girl on webcam and still she looked different in person.

The two girls that ended up being the cutest were the ones with not so good pictures because they didn't touch them up.

So what's the rule, if they look like a model or cute in the pictures, they are ugly in real life. If they look just okay in the pictures, they might turn out to be a knock out. :)

Mook