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I believe this completely. The woman I know would probably have supported me too if she were making a lot of money. She was generous. My only question is: can your lazy friend disobey the Shanghai woman? I believe you have their loyalty, but they require complete obedience. Results vary of course.
I shall quote the Shanghainese wife of another friend of mine:
"Before Marriage, I kept both eyes wide open, after wedding, I closed one. Now, after more than 10 years being married, I actually often do close both of them."
Well, again, difficult to generalize. Your Shanghai girlfriend went through a lot of sh.t in her life, and her clock is running, so she probably does not want to make another mistake.
Good luck!
Levitian
Nobody Special
09-24-09, 05:02
After reading and re-reading to the point of blindness I decided to try the qq route to make contacts for future trips to China as suggested here. The response has been quite interesting. I have a date setup already for every city I have ever visited in China and a few I will now. At least 3 or 4 ladies contact me per week, and I don, t speak many words in Mandarin. If they don't speak english I use an online translator to communicate. Some are shy and some are direct. I say I want to learn Chinese and every single one has volunteered to teach me. One after 15 minutes of chatting asked me directly if I had a big dick!
Others say they are looking for foreign sweethearts. Most have sent their pictures and 1 revealing pictures.
As noted here nothing is free but I think during my next trip to China I won't worry much about crackdowns by LE.
QQ is available in english and generally has 1 million plus people online at any time. Try it. It's much like MSN and enjoy.
Play safe
Nobody Special
QQ is available in english and generally has 1 million plus people online at any time. Try it. It's much like MSN and enjoy.
QQ ain't that compatible with a mac.
I really want to use QQ, but for some reason, it fks up alot.
Still, the woman stays by her man, she is still writing the checks, and she probably will do so for the rest of her life. She occasionally thought about going back to China, because she even would have greater career opportunities there, but also because of her husband unwilling to move she decided to stay in the US and go on with her life.
Shakes once wrote that a guy who's well hung prevents a bad marriage.
As noted here nothing is free but I think during my next trip to China I won't worry much about crackdowns by LE.
QQ is available in english and generally has 1 million plus people online at any time. Try it. It's much like MSN and enjoy.
Play safe
Nobody Special
When I tried QQ I instantly got infected with a lot of computer viruses... did you experience that? It waved me off from that venue, although it does sound enticing. Would be interested in others exeriences with qq.
http://www.imqq.com/
Online users: 43,598,837 All-time peak concurrent users: 75,499,351
Viruses no fun. How are the 40+ million doing it on Qme without viruses ? A question for a Techie. I have not tried Qme yet.
When I tried QQ I instantly got infected with a lot of computer viruses... did you experience that? It waved me off from that venue, although it does sound enticing. Would be interested in others exeriences with qq.
Nobody Special
09-24-09, 22:27
I haven't had a virus yet in a couple months of lurking and actual usage.
It has its own virus scanning built in but I rely on my Norton anti virus.
I use the latest beta version with no issues at all.
Cannot comment on Mac compatability, don't use one.
Nobody Special
Shakes once wrote that a guy who's well hung prevents a bad marriage.
Well, even this is not the case, saw it often enough during shower after squash, but maybe he can perform some miracles with it.
Levitian
http://www.imqq.com/
Online users: 43,598,837 All-time peak concurrent users: 75,499,351
Viruses no fun. How are the 40+ million doing it on Qme without viruses ? A question for a Techie. I have not tried Qme yet.
Viruses: not a problem. I ALWAYS use protection. Invest in an effective anti-virus program with regular (or "as needed") downloads.
Never had a problem for the past 3 years (continuous PC-condom use).
Just my experience.
P13
I haven't had a virus yet in a couple months of lurking and actual usage.
It has its own virus scanning built in but I rely on my Norton anti virus.
I use the latest beta version with no issues at all.
Cannot comment on Mac compatability, don't use one.
Nobody Special
QQ is not very Mac friendly, limited functions unlike the PC counterpart. You do not even have webcam capability, all you can do is chat. Three years on QQ and not one virus (knock on wood), either with PC or Mac. IMHO.
Mmlouie
Member #4144
09-25-09, 16:00
QQ is not very Mac friendly, limited functions unlike the PC counterpart. You do not even have webcam capability, all you can do is chat. Three years on QQ and not one virus (knock on wood), either with PC or Mac. IMHO.
Mmlouie
heard a lot about qq girls, and I have qq but I don't know how to find them. I can see that I can search and find many girls on qq and I can initiate some converstation, but it will be really time consuming to find a WG via qq? Or there is a simpler process to location them? some special chat room?
Fillmore
Nobody Special
09-25-09, 16:15
heard a lot about qq girls, and I have qq but I don't know how to find them. I can see that I can search and find many girls on qq and I can initiate some converstation, but it will be really time consuming to find a WG via qq? Or there is a simpler process to location them? some special chat room?
FillmoreWho is looking for working girls in QQ?
A little effort and your getting freebees!
I do an advanced search for females who have english in their languages spoken profile and a webcam. Then look for those who have entered an english user name and start chatting. 25% of my contacts found me because of my profile, "looking for chinese girls to chat in english"
As I type this, just got another hit. seeya
Nobody Special
Didn't really know that QQ was the choice to pick up chicks these days for us foreigners. I had anticipate QQ to be used amongst teenagers within China, trying to date one an other. But for foreigners to use to as a pick up tool, shows me that people are becoming increasingly inventive and the game has evolved!
My question is Nobody special is, do you really get freebies? Or do the girls you meet still require some gifts or tips? In addition, how have been the quality of the girls? Age? Looks? Etc?
Happy mongering
AsnDragon
Who is looking for working girls in QQ?
A little effort and your getting freebees!
I do an advanced search for females who have english in their languages spoken profile and a webcam. Then look for those who have entered an english user name and start chatting. 25% of my contacts found me because of my profile, "looking for chinese girls to chat in english"
As I type this, just got another hit. seeya
Nobody Special
Nobody Special
09-27-09, 22:10
My question is Nobody special is, do you really get freebies? Or do the girls you meet still require some gifts or tips? In addition, how have been the quality of the girls? Age? Looks? Etc?
Happy mongering
AsnDragon[/QUOTE]As everyone here says nothing is absolutely free.
But....When I meet the ladies there is few time constraints.
They know I'm coming to visit and can plan some other things to do.
As Toby Keith said "I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was".
Additional most of the time I get a free tour guide and once introduced to other friends for future reference. So they get some meals (which I put in my expenses) and I get a good time. And yes I have bought other items on occasion but never cash.
BTW with QQ you can even narrow your search by city. Makes it easier to narrow the selection if your only going to one particular town.
Nobody Special
Loveasiangirls
09-30-09, 08:00
Didn't really know that QQ was the choice to pick up chicks these days for us foreigners. I had anticipate QQ to be used amongst teenagers within China, trying to date one an other. But for foreigners to use to as a pick up tool, shows me that people are becoming increasingly inventive and the game has evolved!
My question is Nobody special is, do you really get freebies? Or do the girls you meet still require some gifts or tips? In addition, how have been the quality of the girls? Age? Looks? Etc?
Happy mongering
AsnDragonI don't use QQ much in my searches so never had much success with it. But there are true freebies out there. They just like sex and cannot get any.
Had a chat with a 38 year old accountant on Tuesday. She added me. She says I am handsome and keeps sending me these kissing icons. I tell her I prefer real ones. I suggest that I can cook dinner for her if she likes Italian food. She says ok and comes here by subway after work. As soon as we get to my place we start kissing. Quickly make it to bed, round one. We then eat some spaghetti then round 2. She said I am her first foreigner (I can believe that) as she was quick the check in my pants ("hen da"). In bed she first refuse getting DATY but after I insisted she really enjoys "tai hao! ". She said she had no sex in 7 years. Not sure about that but I can assure she was very horny.
After she proposes to help wash the dishes and refuses 50rmb that I offer for her to take taxi instead of subway. Cost me some spaghetti and a bit of wine. Cannot get more free than this.
Seems like you hit the jackpot. Was she any good looking at all? or the fact that she was so horny and it was almost a freebie kind of cancel that aspect of the equation?
I don't use QQ much in my searches so never had much success with it. But there are true freebies out there. They just like sex and cannot get any.
Had a chat with a 38 year old accountant on Tuesday. She added me. She says I am handsome and keeps sending me these kissing icons. I tell her I prefer real ones. I suggest that I can cook dinner for her if she likes Italian food. She says ok and comes here by subway after work. As soon as we get to my place we start kissing. Quickly make it to bed, round one. We then eat some spaghetti then round 2. She said I am her first foreigner (I can believe that) as she was quick the check in my pants ("hen da"). In bed she first refuse getting DATY but after I insisted she really enjoys "tai hao!". She said she had no sex in 7 years. Not sure about that but I can assure she was very horny.
After she proposes to help wash the dishes and refuses 50rmb that I offer for her to take taxi instead of subway. Cost me some spaghetti and a bit of wine. Cannot get more free than this.
Member #4144
10-01-09, 19:55
Seems like you hit the jackpot. Was she any good looking at all? or the fact that she was so horny and it was almost a freebie kind of cancel that aspect of the equation?
i think you get what you pay for. no sex in 7 years and close to 40, should be free.
F.
I don't use QQ much in my searches so never had much success with it. But there are true freebies out there. They just like sex and cannot get any.
... Cannot get more free than this.From my experience over several years and several cities, QQ is an absolute gold mine, and the experience you describe occurs more often than not. I've often never even made it to the dinner part, just a lot of sucking and fucking, a shower, then she's off to go back home if she has to work the next day, otherwise she stays the night with me if she's good enough looking to see again. Liking variety, I tend not to repeat though. So many nice pussies in China why fuck the same one twice unless she's pretty darn exceptional (like BBBJ CIM). Seems most of the mid-20's through late 30's (I usually won't venture much beyond early 30's though) are using it to hook up. Can typically get good webcam previews to see what you're in store for.
Enjoy,
Doc
Well if the lady was shapely, it doesn't matter what her age is. Glad you had a fun time. I'm sure after 7 years, you probably gave her the best sexual release in a LONG time.
AsnDragon
i think you get what you pay for. no sex in 7 years and close to 40, should be free.
F.
She said I am her first foreigner (I can believe that) as she was quick the check in my pants ("hen da").
As far as China goes, that big dick thing is usually a Western fantasy. Usually, Chinese girls are afraid of big dicks, because it hurts their xiao mei mei. For unfathomable reasons, Japanese girls (who usually are built even smaller') usually enjoy a big tool. Note the qualifiers. YMMV.
After she proposes to help wash the dishes and refuses 50rmb that I offer for her to take taxi instead of subway. Cost me some spaghetti and a bit of wine. Cannot get more free than this.
Of course she refused. It's an insult. Would you give $7 or Eur 5 to a girl after a dinner and a romp?
Loveasiangirls
10-02-09, 07:26
As far as China goes, that big dick thing is usually a Western fantasy. Usually, Chinese girls are afraid of big dicks, because it hurts their xiao mei mei. For unfathomable reasons, Japanese girls (who usually are built even smaller') usually enjoy a big tool. Note the qualifiers. YMMV.
I don't think I am huge, at most slightly above average. Actually I never had a freebie complain about size. A couple asked me to go slow at first. The only ones who complained were a few working girls, a couple of which even refused. I think it was just an excuse to provide lousy service. Some gladly take the taxi money rather than take the subway or bus. Sort of depends on their income and job I think.
New girl tonite......an office manager.
Thank god there are tons of freebies out there as I went for a late dinner at the Den last night. I am no expert to scout that place but I am 100% sure that there was definitely zero talent there.
Chocha Monger
10-02-09, 09:43
as far as china goes, that big dick thing is usually a western fantasy. usually, chinese girls are afraid of big dicks, because it hurts their xiao mei mei. for unfathomable reasons, japanese girls (who usually are built even smaller') usually enjoy a big tool. note the qualifiers. ymmv.
that might be true for the one's who haven't ventured beyond china's borders but once these girls go abroad they seek out the longest thickest dicks they can find. it's more likely to be peer pressure against servicing foreigners rather than any genuine fear of large cocks. there are many delicate little lotus flowers in america with men hung like the budweiser clydesdales.
Clean Gene
10-02-09, 13:07
I came down from my hotel room in a Swiss hotel a couple of days ago, and I noticed three young Chinese girls crowded around each of the two computers. They were looking at pictures of themselves which they had uploaded on some Chinese website. Pictures taken at major landmarks in Europe. Eiffel Tower, Arc of Triumph, etc. There was a picture of a really cute girl with a good shape. And the girl sitting in front of me said, "That's me". (She had looked non-descript in big black rimmed glasses.)
I started chatting, and it seemed that the girls had been over much of the developed world. A cute girl at the next computer called me over to show me a picture of herself in Harvard. I asked her if she had gone there. No, she had gone to a college in Hubei. Wuhan Univ. or HuaZhong? No. Another one I never heard of.
Then one of the two older ladies, sitting on a sofa, called me aside, and motioned me to sit on a sofa across the table from them. They asked what I did. How old I was. Was I married. How many children I had, etc. And was I lonely. Did I miss company. The tall tough looking lady said she was "laoban" of one of the largest shrimp companies in the world. Small shrimp. And she took some of her workers out to visit international clients. And she asked me again (maybe five or six times in all) if I was lonely (gudan).
I think that she may have taken the girls to Europe as a reward. And maybe to even entertain clients? I considered giving her my room number to see if I'd get company for the night. But it was late. I was tired. And I had appointments the next morning. And they would be leaving the next day.
I'd have liked to pick the one pictured in t-shirt and shorts.
CG
My question is Nobody special is, do you really get freebies? Or do the girls you meet still require some gifts or tips? In addition, how have been the quality of the girls? Age? Looks? Etc?
Happy mongering
AsnDragon
If you have any doubts as to whether freebies are readily available you should follow some of my old threads on the photo gallery and/or the Shanghai thread.
Believe me, there is much to be had at little or no expense and certainly no payment in cash for the deed (s)
ES
Clean Gene
10-03-09, 06:31
I'd have liked to pick the one pictured in t-shirt and shorts.
CG
I got a lovely, long legged honey from the Dominican Republic the following night for 650 Swiss Francs (a little under 5,000 RMB). But I keep thinking of the sweet young thing with the tight t-shirt and short shorts. (She said that she thought it would be cold in Europe and only brought one pair of shorts. It was really warm and she was very glad she had the shorts. One day a week earlier, she said the temp hit 35 degrees C.)
CG
Can I be honored enough to have you as my Master teacher on the technique of freebies? Seems not to be very easy for me.
AsnDragon
If you have any doubts as to whether freebies are readily available you should follow some of my old threads on the photo gallery and/or the Shanghai thread.
Believe me, there is much to be had at little or no expense and certainly no payment in cash for the deed (s)
ES
SE Asia Joe
10-03-09, 07:26
I got a lovely, long legged honey from the Dominican Republic the following night for 650 Swiss Francs (a little under 5,000 RMB). But I keep thinking of the sweet young thing with the tight t-shirt and short shorts. (She said that she thought it would be cold in Europe and only brought one pair of shorts. It was really warm and she was very glad she had the shorts. One day a week earlier, she said the temp hit 35 degrees C.)
CG
Sorry - but I'm a bit lost here.
You're in Switzerland, talking about a Dominican Republic gal .... on the China threads!!
And why the need to specifically mention the big bucks you spent - with no other info, report, direction etc?
Just wondering.
SEAJ
Clandestine782
10-03-09, 08:45
I understand that it is a custom in China for husbands to pay for an expensive wedding party for their wives.
The questions are:
1. Can someone give me cost estimates for an average/ low end/ expensive wedding party?
2. Guest are supposed to give money at the wedding party. What are acceptable amounts per guest?
3. Does the wedding party money include a dowry of any type? I know that in Thailand, the dowry costs something like US$5,000-- but by custom it is given back to the bride and groom as a gift by the parents. Is it similar in China?
4. What type of traditional things are done at this wedding party? (Jewish weddings have the smashing of a glass as a symbol of the destruction of the First/ Second Temples. Christian weddings have the "throwing of the bouquet.)
5. Is the wedding party what I think it is (i.e., a way for the groom to make friends with the bride's family/ be accepted by them)?
Clandestine, I married in China this summer, the whole thing was laid back and didn't really cost more than an ordinary holiday trip to China. I just told my wife beforehand that in my culture things like dowries didn't exist, so it wasn't much of a problem.
So now I am married to a 23 year old 5'9" stunner, she will come join me in Europe early next year.
I understand that it is a custom in China for husbands to pay for an expensive wedding party for their wives.
The questions are:
1. Can someone give me cost estimates for an average/ low end/ expensive wedding party?
2. Guest are supposed to give money at the wedding party. What are acceptable amounts per guest?
3. Does the wedding party money include a dowry of any type? I know that in Thailand, the dowry costs something like US$5,000-- but by custom it is given back to the bride and groom as a gift by the parents. Is it similar in China?
4. What type of traditional things are done at this wedding party? (Jewish weddings have the smashing of a glass as a symbol of the destruction of the First/ Second Temples. Christian weddings have the "throwing of the bouquet.)
5. Is the wedding party what I think it is (i.e., a way for the groom to make friends with the bride's family/ be accepted by them)?
SE Asia Joe
10-03-09, 12:49
Clandestine, I married in China this summer, the whole thing was laid back and didn't really cost more than an ordinary holiday trip to China. I just told my wife beforehand that in my culture things like dowries didn't exist, so it wasn't much of a problem.
So now I am married to a 23 year old 5'9" stunner, she will come join me in Europe early next year.
So..... young man - you're now married to a Chinese girl huh?!
I'd like to be amongst the first to CONGRATULATE AND WISH YOU AND YOUR BRIDE the best that life together in romantic harmony can bring.
Good on you!!
Just remember that for us Chinese, the most important aspect of Love, Marriage and life is RESPONSIBLITY. Everything else pales in importance.
Again CONGRATULATIONS!!
SEAJ
Clean Gene
10-03-09, 13:14
Sorry - but I'm a bit lost here.
You're in Switzerland, talking about a Dominican Republic gal .... on the China threads!!
And why the need to specifically mention the big bucks you spent - with no other info, report, direction etc?
Just wondering.
SEAJ
Just another fatuous CG report. Unwinding and regretting. The girl was a beauty. Wonderful body, wonderful skin. Very good oral skills. Good control of her "nookie", but mechanical and disappointing to me. Location: '6' (read 'sex') three blocks east of Bahnhofstr between Paradeplatz and river. I selected and got outcall.
Yes. I was feeling flush after making a good sale, and I let myself be up-sold. I felt burned. I mentioned the 'bucks' because I can no longer afford such stupidity. Got to get back to Hefei.
CG
SE Asia Joe
10-03-09, 13:25
Just another fatuous CG report. Unwinding and regretting. The girl was a beauty. Wonderful body, wonderful skin. Very good oral skills. Good control of her "nookie", but mechanical and disappointing to me. Location: '6' (read 'sex') three blocks east of Bahnhofstr between Paradeplatz and river. I selected and got outcall.
Yes. I was feeling flush after making a good sale, and I let myself be up-sold. I felt burned. I mentioned the 'bucks' because I can no longer afford such stupidity. Got to get back to Hefei.
CG
WAs just wondering as I know that you usually write good, sensible posts and this one was just so out of character.
No biggee and yes - you gotta come back to the Middle Kingdom pronto. Seems that your brain is being turned to mush by all 'em cheese, cows and the altitude in the Alps!!
SEAJ
So..... young man - you're now married to a Chinese girl huh?!
I'd like to be amongst the first to CONGRATULATE AND WISH YOU AND YOUR BRIDE the best that life together in romantic harmony can bring.
Good on you!!
Just remember that for us Chinese, the most important aspect of Love, Marriage and life is RESPONSIBLITY. Everything else pales in importance.
Again CONGRATULATIONS!!
SEAJ
Yeah, I'm actually glad my previous lifestyle of regular China visits for sex with some cheap hookers will be over for a while. A long-term relationship really feels more fulfilling to me at the moment.
SE Asia Joe
10-03-09, 14:01
I understand that it is a custom in China for husbands to pay for an expensive wedding party for their wives.
The questions are:
1. Can someone give me cost estimates for an average/ low end/ expensive wedding party?
2. Guest are supposed to give money at the wedding party. What are acceptable amounts per guest?
3. Does the wedding party money include a dowry of any type? I know that in Thailand, the dowry costs something like US$5,000-- but by custom it is given back to the bride and groom as a gift by the parents. Is it similar in China?
4. What type of traditional things are done at this wedding party? (Jewish weddings have the smashing of a glass as a symbol of the destruction of the First/ Second Temples. Christian weddings have the "throwing of the bouquet.)
5. Is the wedding party what I think it is (i.e., a way for the groom to make friends with the bride's family/ be accepted by them)?
Cland - another nuptials on the horizon?? Good on ya!
On your questions:
Costs estimates are NOt going to be of any use as wedding expenses varies according to your and your fiance's wishes for the wedding - you want lavish, you'll pay lavish, you want simple and economical, DITTO.
Location is also very important - in that prices varies so drastically between localities in China. A meal at a 5 star Shanghai hotel is gonna be 10, 20 even 100 times more expensive than what you can get at a road side stall in a little village.
Best if you and your fiance first discuss what you BOTH want and then start pricing what you decide on, in the locale you're getting married at. Bargain with the venues, go back and compromise between you and your fiance - and start planning things TOGETHER - for that's what you need to do from here onwards!!
On the rest of this post, I will outline what I know is the '"custom" in Hong Kong and I would think, by extension, most areas of Southern China.
As far as Dowries is concerned - the gals are SUPPOSSED to have already planned their wedding from the time they reach puberty and salt away money, jewelries, goods, items etc into their Ka Cong (Cantonese equivalence of an American "Hope Chest") which she brings into the marriage.
The Parents - and other family elders, respected friends and members of the community etc - are suppossed to also "gift" the couple with Red Packets when the bride and groom carry out the ceremonial serving of tea - an essential and integral part of the "ceremony" you ask about.
And the guests - it's very common for them to also give Red packets when they attend the wedding banquet - and in Hong Kong, the amount given is commonly adjusted for the number of persons coming to eat, the restaurant where the wedding is at, how close the guests are to the family - instead of giving regular wedding presents. Wedding gift list as is common in the West is NOT unknown - but rarely used except for very western wedding and usually for vey prominent families who feels uneasy about accepting cash.
Good luck to you and congratulations.
Jeez!! ISG is sure turning into a regular chronicler of romance and mushy love stories!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-03-09, 14:25
that might be true for the one's who haven't ventured beyond china's borders but once these girls go abroad they seek out the longest thickest dicks they can find. it's more likely to be peer pressure against servicing foreigners rather than any genuine fear of large cocks. there are many delicate little lotus flowers in america with men hung like the budweiser clydesdales.
apologize if i'm being a bit impish - but you know how big they are??!!
as far as fear of laowai big dicks - well, its very much a matter of practicalities for most of the p4p ladies. note: p4p gals.
1. they are afraid of getting injured and being out of action as a result - especially stories from their colleagues about these sex crazed big 'uns pumped up on all that viagra. and look at the size on the guy in that sex video instruction disc shown to us by the momma!
2. a very real possiblity of alienating her present and future chinese clients if she gets known as being "the gal who's so ugly/so bad that she had to resort to servicing laowais.
3. pain in the ass servicing these laowais who cain't even speak the language. waste of time!
4. hell, i'd prefer to wait for the locals - why should i waste my time doing the laowai who will most likely never come back again.
etc etc
ju8st imho
seaj
Meiguoguizi
10-03-09, 14:49
Yeah, I'm actually glad my previous lifestyle of regular China visits for sex with some cheap hookers will be over for a while. A long-term relationship really feels more fulfilling to me at the moment.
At the risk of having mistaken your sarcasm for genuine remorse, I would politely ask Jackson to delete without comment the phrase - fulfilling long-term relationship - and similar expressions.
At the very least, a separate thread should be created for outrageous posts like this one to protect our community values.
Perhaps the thread can be titled: Expensive Infrequent Monogamous Sex in China.
At the risk of having mistaken your sarcasm for genuine remorse, I would politely ask Jackson to delete without comment the phrase - fulfilling long-term relationship - and similar expressions.
At the very least, a separate thread should be created for outrageous posts like this one to protect our community values.
Perhaps the thread can be titled: Expensive Infrequent Monogamous Sex in China.
Not quite sure what you're trying to say?
SE Asia Joe
10-03-09, 15:39
Not quite sure what you're trying to say?
Just another one of our Meiguoguizi's brand of humour and his apparent displeasure at "yet another one of us hitting the dirt and getting hitched..... and leaving the mongering fraternity"
I guess "fullfilling long term" relation is an anathema for him!!
hahaha
SEAJ
Just another one of our Meiguoguizi's brand of humour and his apparent displeasure at "yet another one of us hitting the dirt and getting hitched..... and leaving the mongering fraternity"
I guess "fullfilling long term" relation is an anathema for him!!
hahaha
SEAJ
Not sure I'm out of the mongering thing forever, since we'll probably visit her native place in China more or less frequently, where I can presumably have some extramarital fun. It's not like I'm the only married guy posting in this forum.
Really there was no alternative to marriage for me anyhow, for a variety of reasons which I don't have to relist here. Basically I was on a path of self-destruction, getting into ever deeper sh*t in the China mongering scene, to the point that I presumably would have landed in jail in China or dead in China sooner or later. I have been stabbed by a pimp in China, my face has been beaten bloody in China, both of which are rather unusual occurences for Western foreigners in China, I have bought substances that carry prison terms on various occasions in China. Actually I'm pretty fed up with the whole mongering lifestyle, all the lying, worthless wh*res that make up China's mongering scene, the criminal organizations of lying little pimps they work for, and glad to be settling down to coming home after work in the evening to a housewife, instead of coming home, getting drunk, going out to the brothels, getting into trouble and still feeling frustrated at the end of the day. Just my 2 Cents, but to each his own opinion.
Meiguoguizi
10-03-09, 16:17
Not sure I'm out of the mongering thing forever, since we'll probably visit her native place in China more or less frequently, where I can presumably have some extramarital fun. It's not like I'm the only married guy posting in this forum.
Really there was no alternative to marriage for me anyhow, for a variety of reasons which I don't have to relist here. Basically I was on a path of self-destruction, getting into ever deeper sh*t in the China mongering scene, to the point that I presumably would have landed in jail in China or dead in China sooner or later. I have been stabbed by a pimp in China, my face has been beaten bloody in China, both of which are rather unusual occurences for Western foreigners in China, I have bought substances that carry prison terms on various occasions in China. Actually I'm pretty fed up with the whole mongering lifestyle, all the lying, worthless wh*res that make up China's mongering scene, the criminal organizations of lying little pimps they work for, and glad to be settling down to coming home after work in the evening to a housewife, instead of coming home, getting drunk, going out to the brothels, getting into trouble and still feeling frustrated at the end of the day. Just my 2 Cents, but to each his own opinion.
Yes - just kidding. I wish you the best.
Make sure you take good care of her. Too often they put on 20 pounds, get pissed off that lao gong's 'business' takes him to CP every month, spend hours bitching with their friends on QQ, and the next thing you know you see some familiar tits bouncing in Eaglestar's posts.
Clean Gene
10-04-09, 03:39
that might be true for the one's who haven't ventured beyond china's borders but once these girls go abroad they seek out the longest thickest dicks they can find. it's more likely to be peer pressure against servicing foreigners rather than any genuine fear of large cocks. there are many delicate little lotus flowers in america with men hung like the budweiser clydesdales.
i used to hear, "they'll stretch a mile before they tear an inch." some times not true.
2nd hand story: a united flight attendant had a large black boyfriend who she claimed "ruined" her. several surgeries and was never the same since. (i think we have each encountered wg's with "alternative vaginal pockets" which are uncomfortable or even painful for the wg when we use the pocket. some are able to "fake it" and moan with pleasure.)
on my first tour in vietnam, i met a tall, muscular black with a sizable piece of meat bitten out of his belly. i said, "she must have choked to death on it." he said, "she died happy." he wasn't kidding. he liked to go out on "hunter-fuckers". (i'll explain the terminology for the youngsters on a later post.)
one would sometimes encounter young women who had their uterus or intestinal wall penetrated during hard sex with multiple men. blood, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) or shit coming out the sex hole. kindly gi's would pack her hole with tetracycline and shoot her with morphine.
cg
And the guests - it's very common for them to also give Red packets when they attend the wedding banquet - and in Hong Kong, the amount given is commonly adjusted for the number of persons coming to eat, the restaurant where the wedding is at, how close the guests are to the family - instead of giving regular wedding presents.
Jeez!! ISG is sure turning into a regular chronicler of romance and mushy love stories!!
Don's "Jeez" us, guy! You know you're as romantic and mushy as the rest of us, if not more! You're just trying to come off as a guy who enjoys temporary (ST) sex with as many girls as there are. But...your temporary sex are still filled with romance and lovey-dovey moments the gals will remember for the rest of her life (a guy will be hard pressed to top the fantasy/magic you treat her to during the short time you're with her).
Red Packets. In other places, we call em Red Envelops. Anyway, you do know that in some places, a "nice" Red Envelop is given to the finder (or the matchmaker) of a girl to the guy, if marriage is the result of the happy introduction. And there are some ISGers who are single...and open to romance and mushy love experiences...leading to MARRIAGE!!! woo wooo..... hint hint....
Chocha Monger
10-04-09, 05:24
I used to hear, "They'll stretch a mile before they tear an inch." Some times not true.
2nd hand story: A United flight attendant had a large black boyfriend who she claimed "ruined" her. Several surgeries and was never the same since. (I think we have each encountered WG's with "alternative vaginal pockets" which are uncomfortable or even painful for the WG when we use the pocket. Some are able to "fake it" and moan with pleasure.)
On my first tour in Vietnam, I met a tall, muscular black with a sizable piece of meat bitten out of his belly. I said, "She must have choked to death on it." He said, "She died happy." He wasn't kidding. He liked to go out on "hunter-fuckers". (I'll explain the terminology for the youngsters on a later post.)
One would sometimes encounter young women who had their uterus or intestinal wall penetrated during hard sex with multiple men. Blood, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) or shit coming out the sex hole. Kindly GI's would pack her hole with tetracycline and shoot her with morphine.
CG
Clean Gene:
The mechanics of sexual assault are a bit different from normal sex. There is usually no vaginal lubrication and the vaginal muscles contract in an attempt to prevent unwanted vaginal penetration these factors contribute to the tearing of tissues in addition to the rough violent insertion and thrusts of the penis. During a sexual assault it is not uncommon for objects like broomsticks, plunger handles and even the business ends of guns to be inserted into the victim. So all of the internal perforations may not have necessarily been caused by a penis.
I seriously doubt that the flight attendant's boyfriend ruined her pussy. We're talking about an organ designed to allow the passage of a head and shoulders! There are no cases, documented or not, of any human male having a penis meeting, much less, exceeding the diameter of a new born child's cranium. Though I am sure some mongers out there might claim that well hung. There are women out there with abnormal vaginae. The vagina might be malformed with a constriction or it might be under developed. A friend of mine had a girlfriend whose cherry seemed impossible to pop. More than one suitor had attempted and failed. After taking her to a gynecologist and endocrinologist it was determined that her pussy seemly failed to respond to hormones during her growth spurt when she passed through puberty. It had failed to grow to an adult size. Her uterus was also not fully developed. Yet, she was shaped like a Spanish guitar with full ripe breasts. She turned heads wherever she went. Her ovaries seemed produce a normal amount of hormones. I'm willing to bet that the flight attendant had similar issues and this was the source of her problem rather than her boyfriend being hung like a miniature pony. Of course, like many woman instead of admitting that something may not have been quite right with her the blame was placed squarely on the boyfriend's penis.
However, there is not a thing that a large penis can do to a normal aroused well lubricated vagina. Fisting videos are a testament to this fact.
SE Asia Joe
10-04-09, 05:52
my ex- gf who i kept for a few years - just foned me to chit chat; we do this quite often as she still likes to get my take on things/get my advise and just generally catch up on each other.
it's been a couple or so years since we broke up and she's gone back to her village and is running her own little business out of the shop/house she owns.
her latest "adventure" is about the guy who had come into her shop and starting to date her. the last time we chatted, i was quite happy for her as she's now got a guy who she is interested in and thus she can fulfill her wishes to one day settle down and get married, have a family etc. things which i - and of course her - had wanted to happen all along.
things were going good with him introducing her to his parents etc and they were talking about marriage etc. at first i was quite happy for her, although i was a bit surprised at the speed with which all this had been happening to her. she had always been a sensible girl and quite "practical" in her daily life. quite out of character in all this.
anyway, as it turns out, there is more to the story than meets the eye. he is not a good looker or anything, but the thing is that his parents are supposed to be some kind of big shots in her village and is known to have a bit of asset. he's working at some inconsequential job getting rmb 1,500/month - which it ain't bad in a village in the middle of nowhere in jiangxi.
so far so good.... until she asks me what i think about what this idiot was proposing to her. couldn't believe it!! he said his mom had told him to ask her for rmb 50,000 for the wedding, and that after marriage, he will move into her house. she had managed to build a house when i was keeping her: g/f is 2 shop spaces, one which she uses for her business, the other rented out for rmb 450/month. 2/f is where she lives at whilst the 3rd and 4th floors are also rented out. and then this other 'request' - that she buy some more furniture for her present place to make it more live-able for the 2 of them! and before they get married!!
can you believe this??!! who the hell does this guy think he is?! well, my ex-gf of course saw thru all this and was shaking her head (figuratively!) as much as i was, whilst we were chatting. but the nerve of the guy!!
thank god that she was sensible enough to have never had any physical contacts with him. she tells me that at home in her village, there's no way that she would have even kissed him before getting married. it's just not on! how extreme the differences in china!
she had been telling me all along how difficult it is for her to find a "good guy" back home - and was wondering if all that we had talked about and worked towards whilst we were together - is really such a good 'plan" as we had thought it was then. she was going to be with me, accumulate enough to have a certain amount of financial independence, go back home and then slowly pick and chose a suitable good guy to settle down with and raise a family with.
good plan huh? except she's been telling me that she really is having such a difficult time doing 'as planned.' most of the guys in the village are so dirt poor that she's afraid that all they're after is her $$. on the other spectrum, those guys who has bit of asset/status all think that they're god's gift to women and acts like the ass-holes that they are - even though she tells me that in most cases, she's actually got more than these guys.
anyway - this li'l story of mine i guess fits in with the question clandestine's been asking on.
only in china!!!
seaj
SE Asia Joe
10-04-09, 06:32
Don's "Jeez" us, guy! You know you're as romantic and mushy as the rest of us, if not more! You're just trying to come off as a guy who enjoys temporary (ST) sex with as many girls as there are. But...your temporary sex are still filled with romance and lovey-dovey moments the gals will remember for the rest of her life (a guy will be hard pressed to top the fantasy/magic you treat her to during the short time you're with her).
Red Packets. In other places, we call em Red Envelops. Anyway, you do know that in some places, a "nice" Red Envelop is given to the finder (or the matchmaker) of a girl to the guy, if marriage is the result of the happy introduction. And there are some ISGers who are single...and open to romance and mushy love experiences...leading to MARRIAGE!!! woo wooo..... hint hint....
HEY....... Have I got the perfect gal for you my young friend!!
Well trained in the act of love - but very low mileage with only 2 (as far as I know) previous beaus.
Horny as hell most of the time - or at least willing to please her man anytime, any ways.
Very good looking.
Has her own business and house.
Very smart (but sometimes too practical - but hell, practical is good for a wife!!).
Has had no mileage accumulated the past couple or so years, except for the occassional "self fulfilment" when the situation gets too desperate. (usually when she thinks about me!!)
How Much?? How Much Red envellope you gonna give me??
SEAJ
Wooo woo to you too!!
Chocha Monger
10-04-09, 07:06
HEY....... Have I got the perfect gal for you my young friend!!
Well trained in the act of love - but very low mileage with only 2 (as far as I know) previous beaus.
Horny as hell most of the time - or at least willing to please her man anytime, any ways.
Very good looking.
Has her own business and house.
Very smart (but sometimes too practical - but hell, practical is good for a wife!!).
Has had no mileage accumulated the past couple or so years, except for the occassional "self fulfilment" when she gets too horny.
How Much?? How Much Red envellope you gonna give me??
SEAJ
Wooo woo to you too!!
I'm opening my bid at 1,500 RMB and I promise not to hurt her xiao mei mei. She can visually inspect the package before agreeing to nuptials.
SE Asia Joe
10-04-09, 07:15
I'm opening my bid at 1,500 RMB and I promise not to hurt her xiao mei mei. She can visually inspect the package before agreeing to nuptials.
SHE...IITT!
As much as I've invested in her project trainin'?
As much real $$ as I'd had spent on trainin'?
As much "real physical training" I've had to give her to ensure the ultimate in sexual pleasure?
AND, last but not least, a SEAJ personal Seal of Total Approval?
And only RMB 1,500???
Tsk Tsk Tsk!! You disappoint me my friend!
SEAJ
Clean Gene
10-04-09, 08:19
Clean Gene:
The mechanics of sexual assault are a bit different from normal sex. There is usually no vaginal lubrication and.
Very often there is vaginal lubrication. The vagina tends to protect itself. Of course the lubricant may exhaust itself after a couple of dozen men, but by then the male fluids will have made the sex tube wet.
"Team Hunting" ...I stand corrected, is a team sport sometimes practiced by our military in Asia in the early 20th Century. It consists of one, two or even three men working on a girl while the others stand guard and wait their turn.
Three is the minimum number. But not always sufficient for example in the case written into the Congressional Record during the Philippine Insurrection around 1900. Three American soldiers were killed on a night hunt on a small Philippine island. The commanding general then had the entire population of the island killed in retribution. Perhaps as many as three thousand: men, women and children. The outrage in Congress caused the general to be removed from command.
There have been several girls, especially very young ones in Vietnam, who have died under the sexual duress.
CG
And only RMB 1,500???
Now, now, there's some reason to that.
mi madre loves to intrude in other ppl's affairs and some set ups have succeeded (5 out of 30?). If two docs get together, she'd get a nice red envelop. If a manager gets together with a sales-girl, the red envelope would be considerably less, if any at all (cheap ungrateful bastard!).
Excluding her looks, history, etc., like most elders do, and judging on her practical "value" (unfair, I know...), she's got a business with a house. Those are bargaining chips! If the guy's got equal to what's she's got, GREAT, match made and depending on both of their income, a month's salary in red envelope 'thank you' tip. In consistency with the suggested two month's salary for a wedding ring...
If, however, the guy's got value more than the girl, then the red envelope wouldn't be that impressive. No disrespect to you and definitely NONE to the girl, but in the Asian world of traditional and practical relationships for family and stability; emotional love is mocked while a relationship that looks good on paper and for both families is embraced.
In any case, her one month salary plus my one month's salary as a 'thank you' tip. Perhaps Pig Fat will make it a double wedding, B-S-Dave will be hired as our wedding coordinator, Jett-B888-PPanic-JTraveler-etc. will be supervising what they're great at, SB in charge of pre-wedding fun, and Wad will help us get deals for all the appliances.
Who knows, this might become a trend for ISG... LOL!
seajoe,
only in china, should be the title to this post. it's so strange how life works sometimes. it's ok for a rich guy to be with a dirt poor girl, and not have to worry about whether the girl will "only be with him for his money"; however, it is not alright for the opposite to happen to a girl- where the richer girl cannot be with a dirt poor guy. strange how that works, but society dictates norms and apparently we are all affected by it and we live by it.
i notice another irony in the situation as well. you helped her accumulate wealth to go back to her village to marry someone stable. so in her years being with you she was dependent on your financial support, and she was alright with being supported by you. but now that she's back in her village, she is actually in your position now, being richer than most other people in the village. now when she wants to be with a dependable guy, but who's dirt poor, it's not alright to support a man in that position anymore, that same position that she was alright with previously when she was with you. the suportee becomes a supporter.
what's strange is, how come it's ok for guy to be the supporter? why is it that guys don't mind being the supporter? are we scared of being with a dirt poor girl? i don't think we are scared of a girl being too dirt poor at all. it goes back to the social norms that dictate our lives. there are certain things that never change, a girl wants to be supported by a man- a man who's dependable, on the same level or better. a man wants a woman who is younger and prettier.
hence the saying goes: "a man is like wine, they become more valuable with age." as you grow older you have the financial support and capability that women strive for. while women are the opposite they depreciate with time like most cars (excluding vintage and limited edition models)
in the very end seajoe, the girl wants to be with you. she has always been hoping that one day you would turn around and take her back or really take her in. she calls you, perhaps because she's close to you, but mostly because she's seeking for options. women are all about options, they keep their options open all the time. she's seeking for that ray of hope, that perhaps you may muster up some nostalgic feelings to take her back. testing out the waters, because out of the three options:
1. marry a dirt poor guy in jiangxi
2. marry a stuck up bastard in jianxi
3. be with seajoe, the most romantic, sensitive and comforting lover.
which option do you think she's praying for when she picks up that phone and dials your number? crossing her fingers and hoping and wishing for a second chance with you. i would not be surprised if she said "还是你最了解我对我最好的“ or "还是你最关心我的我好想你“ those two phrases that girls love to use. those words that can melt a guys heart, and i'm sure that part of you, just a little part of you is moved and touched by those very same words. because deep down inside seajoe, your 25 year old heart, is a sensitive one in the very end. a helpless romantic, a person who realizes that the chase, and process of getting to know the girl, is equally as important as having sex with them. you know you are a master monger, when you seek for mental connection and affection as much as just finding a regular wg to sleep with. while most mongers just want the prettiest girl, seajoe demands both and some times, he gets both! that's the amazing part! old timers like us, have lots to learn from a young guy like you seajoe.
asndragon
my ex- gf who i kept for a few years - just foned me to chit chat; we do this quite often as she still likes to get my take on things/get my advise and just generally catch up on each other.
it's been a couple or so years since we broke up and she's gone back to her village and is running her own little business out of the shop/house she owns.
her latest "adventure" is about the guy who had come into her shop and starting to date her. the last time we chatted, i was quite happy for her as she's now got a guy who she is interested in and thus she can fulfill her wishes to one day settle down and get married, have a family etc. things which i - and of course her - had wanted to happen all along.
things were going good with him introducing her to his parents etc and they were talking about marriage etc. at first i was quite happy for her, although i was a bit surprised at the speed with which all this had been happening to her. she had always been a sensible girl and quite "practical" in her daily life. quite out of character in all this.
anyway, as it turns out, there is more to the story than meets the eye. he is not a good looker or anything, but the thing is that his parents are supposed to be some kind of big shots in her village and is known to have a bit of asset. he's working at some inconsequential job getting rmb 1,500/month - which it ain't bad in a village in the middle of nowhere in jiangxi.
so far so good.... until she asks me what i think about what this idiot was proposing to her. couldn't believe it!! he said his mom had told him to ask her for rmb 50,000 for the wedding, and that after marriage, he will move into her house. she had managed to build a house when i was keeping her: g/f is 2 shop spaces, one which she uses for her business, the other rented out for rmb 450/month. 2/f is where she lives at whilst the 3rd and 4th floors are also rented out. and then this other 'request' - that she buy some more furniture for her present place to make it more live-able for the 2 of them! and before they get married!!
can you believe this??!! who the hell does this guy think he is?! well, my ex-gf of course saw thru all this and was shaking her head (figuratively!) as much as i was, whilst we were chatting. but the nerve of the guy!!
thank god that she was sensible enough to have never had any physical contacts with him. she tells me that at home in her village, there's no way that she would have even kissed him before getting married. it's just not on! how extreme the differences in china!
she had been telling me all along how difficult it is for her to find a "good guy" back home - and was wondering if all that we had talked about and worked towards whilst we were together - is really such a good 'plan" as we had thought it was then. she was going to be with me, accumulate enough to have a certain amount of financial independence, go back home and then slowly pick and chose a suitable good guy to settle down with and raise a family with.
good plan huh? except she's been telling me that she really is having such a difficult time doing 'as planned.' most of the guys in the village are so dirt poor that she's afraid that all they're after is her $$. on the other spectrum, those guys who has bit of asset/status all think that they're god's gift to women and acts like the ass-holes that they are - even though she tells me that in most cases, she's actually got more than these guys.
anyway - this li'l story of mine i guess fits in with the question clandestine's been asking on.
only in china!!!
seajeditor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
SE Asia Joe
10-04-09, 08:51
Now, now, there's some reason to that.
mi madre loves to intrude in other ppl's affairs and some set ups have succeeded (5 out of 30?). If two docs get together, she'd get a nice red envelop. If a manager gets together with a sales-girl, the red envelope would be considerably less, if any at all (cheap ungrateful bastard!).
Excluding her looks, history, etc., like most elders do, and judging on her practical "value" (unfair, I know...), she's got a business with a house. Those are bargaining chips! If the guy's got equal to what's she's got, GREAT, match made and depending on both of their income, a month's salary in red envelope 'thank you' tip. In consistency with the suggested two month's salary for a wedding ring...
If, however, the guy's got value more than the girl, then the red envelope wouldn't be that impressive. No disrespect to you and definitely NONE to the girl, but in the Asian world of traditional and practical relationships for family and stability; emotional love is mocked while a relationship that looks good on paper and for both families is embraced.
In any case, her one month salary plus my one month's salary as a 'thank you' tip. Perhaps Pig Fat will make it a double wedding, B-S-Dave will be hired as our wedding coordinator, Jett-B888-PPanic-JTraveler-etc. will be supervising what they're great at, SB in charge of pre-wedding fun, and Wad will help us get deals for all the appliances.
Who knows, this might become a trend for ISG... LOL!
Hey!! FOR ALL PRACTICAL purposes, she IS just a smart, virtuous hard woking gal with a house and quite a bit of $$. When she came home, she took pains to built up her own reputation back in her village as a gal who was very succesful at direct selling in Southern China, built a house back home, came back with $$ and is starting her business.
She had maintained her facade of respectability AND virtue and as far as anybody nowadays is concerned, she IS a virtuous and smart young business woman. WHAT A CATCH!!
Fact is, her identical twin sister had come home a couple years or so before and she also started her own business which nowadays is NETTING approx RMB 20,000 per month. A really princely sum in such a small village. This gal had earned her "start-up capital" down South the hard way - by being a hard working and VERY popular WG - but she'd taken pains to conceal this from EVERYBODY. She came home taking on the same kind of virtuous personnae etc like my ex-gal and managed to snare a pretty good, substantial fella.
So, Bee Tee, if you want an "introduction" you'd better come up with the goods - and I don't mean no silly li'l sums as a month's pay. Piffle!!
SEAJ
Ps. Besides the admitedly still small amount of $$ that she's making from her business FOR NOW, she is also pulling in approx RMB 1,500 from rent.
Seajoe,
If she's a girl that you think is worth "sponsoring", then she's obviously a stunning gal. I'm not a dirt poor Jiangxi man, but I am a dirty old man though. I'm not sure if she'll accept me. I am quite impressed with her monthly earnings of $20, 000 NET. If she's willing to accept an old man like me, then I will definately take her! I've always wanted to be a "sponsored" old man.
Name your price young man!
AsnDragon
Hey!! FOR ALL PRACTICAL purposes, my gal HAS built up her own reputation back in her village as a gal who was very succesful at direct selling in Southern China, built a house back home, came back with $$ and is starting her business.
She had maintained her facade of respectability AND virtue and as far as anybody nowadays is concerned, she IS a virtuous and smart young business woman. WHAT A CATCH!!
Fact is, her identical twin sister had come home a couple years or so before and she also started her own business which nowadays is NETTING approx RMB 20,000 per month. A really princely sum in such a small village. This gal had earned her "start-up capital" down South the hard way - by being a hard working and VERY popular WG - but she'd taken pains to conceal this from EVERYBODY. She came home taking on the same kind of virtuous personnae etc like my ex-gal and managed to snare a pretty good, substantial fella.
So, Bee Tee, if you want an "introduction" you'd better come up with the goods - and I don't mean no silly li'l sums as a month's pay. Piffle!!
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
10-04-09, 09:02
As far as fear of Laowai Big dicks - well, its very much a matter of practicalities for most of the p4p ladies. NOTE: P4P gals.
SEAJ,
I do not consider myself to be that big, only average for a laowai. That said, I often get complaints from P4P girls. All of your points are well taken, however, my take is that most of them complain and fake pain in order to try to make you feel sorry for them and pop faster thus reducing the amount of time they have to service you.
On the other hand, the actual rate depends on the locale, but I get refused service by an nationwide average of about 30% of P4P girls for the reasons you state.
Just my POV.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
10-04-09, 09:12
SEAJ,
I do not consider myself to be that big, only average for a laowai. That said, I often get complaints from P4P girls. All of your points are well taken, however, my take is that most of them complain and fake pain in order to try to make you feel sorry for them and pop faster thus reducing the amount of time they have to service you.
On the other hand, the actual rate depends on the locale, but I get refused service by an nationwide average of about 30% of P4P girls for the reasons you state.
Just my POV.
OAH
I don't really know how to write this without coming off as boasting or what....
Anyway, let me try - but guys, please.... no flaming OK!
Invariably,WG's I've been doing ALWAYS tells me that I am big - certainly bigger than the average Chinese mongers they've been doing. The truth of the matter is that I only consider myself average - but these gals swear up and down that they're telling the truth etc.
Lots of time, when I first insert, they would ask me to go in slowly as they're afraid that they would get injured. But after the initial caution, I have hardly ever had ANYof the gals complain.... and really do think that they do enjoy themselves with me. Well... at least they're not in pain or squirming of any displeasure (or is it just that they're all such pros?)
I've certainly NEVER had any of the gals - at least not in any recent memory - ever saying the "Tong, Tong Tong" that you guys are always reporting back here.
So is it more their general "reluctance with Lao Wai" clients rather than really "Tong tong Tong?"
Just IMHO
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
10-04-09, 09:18
Can I be honored enough to have you as my Master teacher on the technique of freebies? Seems not to be very easy for me.
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
Some guys spend a huge amount of time on the internet in chatrooms, email, etc. setting up the freebies in advance. I believe this was Eaglestar's secret for success but I will let him comment himself.
I also reckon the internet is the best approach for the business traveler to China. The girl knows that she has a limited amount of time to secure the relationship and already feels she knows you from the internet.
For local based laowais, learning a bit of the language is a big advantage. Basically, you gain access to the entire market with Mandarin skills. Many Chinese girls are curious about foreigners but are unable to act due to their language limitations.
Lower your expectations depending on your age: I found that when I set my focus on the 28-35 age group, my hit rate went up substantially. I wasted a lot of time chasing young stuff. Now, I pay for the young stuff and chase older freebies.
One night stands: There are girls in the big cities that go out to clubs looking for one night stands. One of my freebies has a 27 yo friend that does this nearly every weekend. That said, I have never been able to nail a girl the first night I met her in China.
Just my POV.
OAH
Chocha Monger
10-04-09, 10:42
Invariably,WG's I've been doing ALWAYS tells me that I am big - certainly bigger than the average Chinese mongers they've been doing.
Well, well... yet another member of the large penis support group! :eek:
SE Asia Joe
10-04-09, 11:00
Well, well... yet another member of the large penis support group! :eek:
Oh good God!!
I knew it. I just knew it!
Wankers making fun of ME, MOI, Respectfully Yours.
I said: NO FLAMING!!
Good God!!
I had EMPHASIZED that I am just average .... if that!!
Chocha - you'se just got to much time!!
Same as me when I cain't go out mongering!!
SEAJ
One night stands: There are girls in the big cities that go out to clubs looking for one night stands. One of my freebies has a 27 yo friend that does this nearly every weekend. That said, I have never been able to nail a girl the first night I met her in China.
Just my POV.
OAH
Get her drunk, then you'll get to nail her the first night, just my POV.
Chocha Monger
10-04-09, 11:46
Oh good God!!
I knew it. I just knew it!
Wankers making fun of ME, MOI, Respectfully Yours.
I said: NO FLAMING!!
Good God!!
I had EMPHASIZED that I am just average .... if that!!
Chocha - you'se just got to much time!!
Same as me when I cain't go out mongering!!
SEAJ
Oh, don't be shy now Mister Joe! You weren't a moment ago when you boasted about the Chinese girls finding you hung better than a large China mule. Yes. Some of us don't have to attend meetings with the Large Penis Support Group to learn how to cope with an enormous penis so that leaves a bit of time to get on ISG. I certainly hope you pay those poor girls extra for all the bladder problems that they'll experience after servicing your large donkey dick. No wonder Lao Wai have a hard time getting good service. Gee thanks a lot SEAJ.
Oh, don't be shy now Mister Joe! You weren't a moment ago when you boasted about the Chinese girls finding you hung better than a large China mule. Yes. Some of us don't have to attend meetings with the Large Penis Support Group to learn how to cope with an enormous penis so that leaves a bit of time to get on ISG. I certainly hope you pay those poor girls extra for all the bladder problems that they'll experience after servicing your large donkey dick. No wonder Lao Wai have a hard time getting good service. Gee thanks a lot SEAJ.
Most of the prostitutes say something like "name da!" etc., even if you have an average size dick, I would estimate my dick at around 6 inches and still most of the Chinese working girls I have been with told me how big it supposedly was. All the typical lying they engage in.
The only time I experienced Chinese hookers genuinely being physically intimidated by me instead of just faking their supposed fear of my dick was way back in 2004, when I had used large doses of anabolic steroids in the previous months before my China visit and worked out very extensively and so had a very muscular and ripped build, then they would say stuff like "wo hen pa ni" etc. when I took of my shirt. Unfortunately I'm too lazy to work out much now, so I have degenerated into more of a beer pouch.
What is interesting about this is, that if you look better in my experience the prostitutes really do tend to treat you better and with more respect, if you look like shit they treat you equivalently.
SE Asia Joe
10-04-09, 12:19
Oh, don't be shy now Mister Joe! You weren't a moment ago when you boasted about the Chinese girls finding you hung better than a large China mule. Yes. Some of us don't have to attend meetings with the Large Penis Support Group to learn how to cope with an enormous penis so that leaves a bit of time to get on ISG. I certainly hope you pay those poor girls extra for all the bladder problems that they'll experience after servicing your large donkey dick. No wonder Lao Wai have a hard time getting good service. Gee thanks a lot SEAJ.
Too much time you got.
TOO damn much time.
Just like me these days!
SEAJ
Can I be honored enough to have you as my Master teacher on the technique of freebies? Seems not to be very easy for me.
AsnDragon
Guess I deserved that AsnDragon. My post did sound like "Master". Did not intend that at all. Just making a point that if an old fart like me can do it certainly anyone can.
ES
Eaglestar,
Don't get me wrong. I wasn't trying to be sarcastic when I wrote that. I have been seeing your pictures for a long time on this board. I must say that I am genuinely impressed by how many freebies you get. I know OAH gets a lot of freebies as well, just that he does not publish them as well. There's seriously a lot I need to learn from you guys. So just wanted to pay my compliments.
Great job on all of those girls. I agree with SEAjoe, mongering is a trade that is lifelong learning. Never plateaus in terms of the learning curve, as China always has a way of coming up with bizarre situations, girls or events.
Happy mongering
AsnDragon
Guess I deserved that AsnDragon. My post did sound like "Master". Did not intend that at all. Just making a point that if an old fart like me can do it certainly anyone can.
ES
Oah and eaglestar,
Freebies are great. I'm sure it's a whole different feel than the pay for play type of girl. But don't they get very clingy? I remember OAH had told me about girls that got him in trouble because they were too clingy and it was so hard to get rid of them. Do you guys find that to be the case when getting freebies? Does the fact that they latch onto you make it balloon into an even bigger headache than just pay for play?
I don't mind doing the 27-35 year old girl range at all. As women approach that age, it seems that their sexuality approaches its peak. They actually learn to enjoy sex a little bit more than the young 18-19 year old girls.
As I said before. Still got a lot to learn. Lifelong learning.
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
Some guys spend a huge amount of time on the internet in chatrooms, email, etc. setting up the freebies in advance. I believe this was Eaglestar's secret for success but I will let him comment himself.
I also reckon the internet is the best approach for the business traveler to China. The girl knows that she has a limited amount of time to secure the relationship and already feels she knows you from the internet.
For local based laowais, learning a bit of the language is a big advantage. Basically, you gain access to the entire market with Mandarin skills. Many Chinese girls are curious about foreigners but are unable to act due to their language limitations.
Lower your expectations depending on your age: I found that when I set my focus on the 28-35 age group, my hit rate went up substantially. I wasted a lot of time chasing young stuff. Now, I pay for the young stuff and chase older freebies.
One night stands: There are girls in the big cities that go out to clubs looking for one night stands. One of my freebies has a 27 yo friend that does this nearly every weekend. That said, I have never been able to nail a girl the first night I met her in China.
Just my POV.
OAH
Phil,
Strange, I once had a WG in CP, who just loves it when a guy is muscular and does her really hard. Right before the session, she said, "WE are going to have a fun time today right? " I was confused as to what they meant. She then says "Can you like fuck me really really hard? I like it when a man is strong and rams me really hard! "
I'm not that big of a build, but in comparison to most Chinese men whom are skinny, I'm considered bigger in terms of body size. But this girl. She likes how I was more muscular than most men there and she wanted to be fucked hard! She kept on asking me to fuck her deeper and harder until my balls were flying all over the place, goin' back and forth. It was too a point where she enjoyed it more than me, I kept on feeling bad how hard I was pounding, but she was insatiable.
So just comes to show that you can find just about anything and everything in China. I could never find that girl again. She was from the Swan Lake KTV BBS. Back in the days when they had the girls divided in those 5 small KTV rooms. Tall 5 foot 6 inch girl from Chongqing, with the hottest body ever! Must have been a few years back.
AsnDragon
Most of the prostitutes say something like "name da!" etc., even if you have an average size dick, I would estimate my dick at around 6 inches and still most of the Chinese working girls I have been with told me how big it supposedly was. All the typical lying they engage in.
The only time I experienced Chinese hookers genuinely being physically intimidated by me instead of just faking their supposed fear of my dick was way back in 2004, when I had used large doses of anabolic steroids in the previous months before my China visit and worked out very extensively and so had a very muscular and ripped build, then they would say stuff like "wo hen pa ni" etc. when I took of my shirt. Unfortunately I'm too lazy to work out much now, so I have degenerated into more of a beer pouch.
What is interesting about this is, that if you look better in my experience the prostitutes really do tend to treat you better and with more respect, if you look like shit they treat you equivalently.
Oah and eaglestar,
Freebies are great. I'm sure it's a whole different feel than the pay for play type of girl. But don't they get very clingy? I remember OAH had told me about girls that got him in trouble because they were too clingy and it was so hard to get rid of them. Do you guys find that to be the case when getting freebies? Does the fact that they latch onto you make it balloon into an even bigger headache than just pay for play?
I don't mind doing the 27-35 year old girl range at all. As women approach that age, it seems that their sexuality approaches its peak. They actually learn to enjoy sex a little bit more than the young 18-19 year old girls.
As I said before. Still got a lot to learn. Lifelong learning.
AsnDragonAsndragon:
I find doing the bored lonely rich "trophy wives" neither clingy nor expensive. I got a few of them reserving suites in five star hotels and ordering room service in. Their husbands are working 24/7/365 and they are usually more loaded than you or I. I just do not understand why their hubby are out mongering while leaving them at home. They usually keep a secret better than you or I. The only thing I make sure is that their significant other is not a triad member, high ranking PLA officer or a government official. I usually do a bit of background check before I go banging away.
AsnDragon,
.....Lower your expectations depending on your age: I found that when I set my focus on the 28-35 age group, my hit rate went up substantially. I wasted a lot of time chasing young stuff. Now, I pay for the young stuff and chase older freebies.
.....
Just my POV.
OAHOah
You find a lot of hot lonely bored trophy wives in this group. They were hot in their early twenties and they are still hot. The 28-35 group probably looks atleast ten years younger compare to their western counterparts.
I have been hitting this group especially the rich ones. The cost to you is minimal and they are not clingy and usually a lot hornier that the younger one. I have a few that even goes as far as paying for the room, calling room service and really remembers your birthdate, anniversary (first time you bang them) and other things.
The success rate in this group is very high. Just do a background check on her hubby before banging away.
Just my two rmb pov. Btw, two rmb is worth much more than yesteryear.
SE Asia Joe
10-05-09, 05:16
Seajoe,
If she's a girl that you think is worth "sponsoring", then she's obviously a stunning gal. I'm not a dirt poor Jiangxi man, but I am a dirty old man though. I'm not sure if she'll accept me. I am quite impressed with her monthly earnings of $20, 000 NET. If she's willing to accept an old man like me, then I will definately take her! I've always wanted to be a "sponsored" old man.
Name your price young man!
AsnDragon
Good God AsnDragon!!!
You're suppossed to "draw in" her ying into yours - that's the reason to be screwing all these SYT's - but all 'em young pussy must instead be drawing YOUR YANG into them.... leaving you a demented old man who cain't even understand the printed words!!
I wrote that it's her identical Twin sister who's making the +- RMB 20K per month. My ex-gf just only started her business and is NOT making anywhere close - but she's nonetheless "OK" as she also has her rental to fall back on.
OK, the price.... since I basically was outlaying approx RMB xxx/month when I was keeping her.... Plus she's now "fully graduated" from the SEAJ school of advanced romance - we start off our negotiations from this base level.
Make your bid!
SEAJ
Chocha Monger
10-05-09, 05:37
Good God AsnDragon!!!
You're suppossed to "draw in" her ying into yours - that's the reason to be screwing all these SYT's - but all 'em young pussy must instead be drawing YOUR YANG into them.... leaving you a demented old man who cain't even understand the printed words!!
I wrote that it's her identical Twin sister who's making the +- RMB 20K per month. My ex-gf just only started her business and is NOT making anywhere close - but she's nonetheless "OK" as she also has her rental to fall back on.
OK, the price.... since I basically was outlaying approx RMB xxx/month when I was keeping her.... Plus she's now "fully graduated" from the SEAJ school of advanced romance - we start off our negotiations from this base level.
Make your bid!
SEAJ
SEAJ or shall I call you Clydesdale Joe? Since you have beaten on this girl's cervix for a number of years with your exceptionally large penis (according to your testimony) I have concerns that she may have suffered extensive cervical scarring and possibly widening of the uterine neck. This means that she will have problems conceiving and is at a high risk for miscarriages. In addition to her diminished child bearing prospects you've irreparably stretched out and loosened her xiao mei mei significantly reducing her market value. Some of us would not mind accepting a damaged consignment of goods but only at a deep discount. Please consider all of the medical bills that any future husband would have to bear due to the female problems she will no doubt suffer as a result of being repeatedly stuffed with a large penis. Things like chronic bed wetting due to her weakened bladder would put the longevity of the marriage in serious jeopardy. She may also have a penchant for seeking out large Lao Wai penises after the marriage. Risk analysis shows her to be in the high to very high risk category. Hence you should be more reasonable in regards to your expectations for red envelope.
SE Asia Joe
10-05-09, 06:22
Seajoe,
Only in China, should be the title to this post. It's so strange how life works sometimes. It's ok for a Rich guy to be with a dirt poor girl, and NOT have to worry about whether the girl will "only be with him for his money"; however, it is not alright for the opposite to happen to a girl- where the richer girl cannot be with a dirt poor guy. Strange how that works, but society dictates norms and apparently we are all affected by it and we live by it.
I notice another irony in the situation as well. You helped her accumulate wealth to go back to her village to marry someone stable. So in her years being with you she was dependent on your financial support, and she was alright with being supported by you. But now that she's back in her village, she is actually in your position now, being richer than most other people in the village. Now when she wants to be with a dependable guy, but who's dirt poor, it's not alright to support a man in that position anymore, that same position that she was alright with previously when she was with you. The suportee becomes a supporter.
What's strange is, how come it's ok for guy to be the supporter? Why is it that guys don't mind being the supporter? Are we scared of being with a dirt poor girl? I don't think we are scared of a girl being too dirt poor at all. It goes back to the social norms that dictate our lives. There are certain things that never change, a girl wants to be supported by a man- a man who's dependable, on the same level or better. A man wants a woman who is younger and prettier.
Hence the saying goes: "A man is like wine, they become more valuable with age." As you grow older you have the financial support and capability that women strive for. While women are the opposite they depreciate with time like most cars (excluding vintage and limited edition models)
In the very end SeaJoe, the girl wants to be with you. She has always been hoping that one day you would turn around and take her back or really take her in. She calls you, perhaps because she's close to you, but mostly because she's seeking for options. Women are all about options, they keep their options open all the time. She's seeking for that ray of hope, that perhaps you may muster up some nostalgic feelings to take her back. Testing out the waters, because out of the three options:
1. Marry a dirt poor guy in Jiangxi
2. Marry a stuck up bastard in Jianxi
3. Be with SEAjoe, the most romantic, sensitive and comforting lover.
which option do you think she's praying for when she picks up that phone and dials your number? Crossing her fingers and hoping and wishing for a second chance with you. I would not be surprised if she said "还是你最了解我对我最好的“ or "还是你最关心我的我好想你“ those two phrases that girls love to use. Those words that can melt a guys heart, and I'm sure that part of you, just a little part of you is moved and touched by those very same words. Because deep down inside SEAjoe, your 25 year old heart, is a sensitive one in the very end. A helpless romantic, a person who realizes that the chase, and process of getting to know the girl, is equally as important as having sex with them. You know you are a master monger, when you seek for mental connection and affection as much as just finding a regular WG to sleep with. While most mongers just want the prettiest girl, SEAjoe demands both and some times, he gets BOTH! That's the amazing part! Old Timers like us, have lots to learn from a young guy like you SeaJoe.
AsnDragon
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Again.... another sensitive and sensible post.
QUESTION: why are your posts "delayed" i.e. they always appear after a time lag/apparently being monitored before allowed to be posted up. I see you're a Senior Member, I presume you've paid your membership AND most importantly, you do write good, non offensive reports.
I cannot see why your posts would/should be monitored and suggest you shud write to Jackson to be removed from such monitoring. That is, unless you HAD been an asshole in the past! But even then, the way that you write now AND for the longest time that I can remember, well, I do believe that Jackson would/should cut you some slack. Anyway....
…. Continued on next post//SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-05-09, 06:24
Continued..........
Ok, on with a reply to your post about my ex-GF.........
Actually all that you wrote, probably does have a grain of truth in it - but is not accurate and paints a wrong picture about her and about us. Let me explain.
When we first started, she had just gotten over being 'heart-broken' by the BF who popped her cherry whilst at the factory; to the point that she was fed up with the way that her life was going. Her sister, who was a true blue real professional WG - told her to just drop everything and come over to discuss plans for her future.
Between the 2 sisters, they figured that for my ex-GF to also be a WG was a non-starter as she’s just not pre-disposed that way at all. And that was when I came into the picture.
I “negotiated” terms with both girls – with the big sister actually being quite sensible and even guiding both of us quite impartially. She knows that if the terms were too one sided either way, that nothing good will come about – as she’s certainly seen/know of lots of these “sponsorship” deals; good ones, bad ones! On my side, I approached these “negotiations” as if I was discussing a business deal – as indeed, that is all the expertise I was armed with as I never had any experience with negotiating a “gal sponsorship!”
1. First thing first is that such sponsorship should never be an “open-ended” one as then, like you had said previously, would just lead to a dead end of frustrations for both parties. We agreed on a “Trial period” of 3 months minimum, with option to renew for further periods as then warranted.
2. Exit strategy – when I ‘incubate’ an operation, there has to be a way to ‘cash in’ on the effort via IPO’s, sale to 3rd party etc. and there has to be a time frame too. The same thing here and we figured that an “ideal” time frame would have been 15 months and a maximum period would have been 2 years.
We of course ‘negotiated’ other terms of her engagement, including things like remuneration and how paid, promotion prospects, end-of-contract benefits, on-the-job training, restrictions on side-employments etc – terms which are not too pertinent to the real message I’m trying to convey in this post.
Anyway, our ‘negotiated contract’ was a win-win situation for both of us and we hardly ever had any disputes or rancour about the terms of our engagement. The 5% problem, which I had previously mentioned as being the only fly in the ointment in our relationship, was when and how we at last parted.
Actually even as early as at the end of the first year or so, we were still aiming for the 2 years exit strategy, when we both would have already achieved what we both wanted from each other.
Well, guess what??!! We actually fell in love!! OUCH!! And every time we knew it was time to part, neither one of us would actually have the heart to do so. We both knew that to go on was NOT a viable alternative – but the heart is the weakest part of all of us ain’t it. Every couple or so months, we’d “prepare” to break – but it never happened! Not until something “external” and completely out of our control made it all but impossible for her to go on (And NO, it wasn’t another guy or anything remotely close).
And the subsequent break-up was very dramatic and heart wrenching for both of us. Something which both of us really regretted and one which we could never have imagined would mark the end of our fairytale-like relationship.
I hope you see that it would be totally fool hardy now for us to ever even contemplate getting back together – although to be honest – I do miss that idyllic time with her and I also genuinely do miss her; And I know that she feels the same way – but the world’s turned and both of just cannot afford to go back to it.
It’s time for her to get married off and start the next phase of her life.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-05-09, 06:40
SEAJ or shall I call you Clydesdale Joe? Since you have beaten on this girl's cervix for a number of years with your exceptionally large penis (according to your testimony) I have concerns that she may have suffered extensive cervical scarring and possibly widening of the uterine neck. This means that she will have problems conceiving and is at a high risk for miscarriages. In addition to her diminished child bearing prospects you've irreparably stretched out and loosened her xiao mei mei significantly reducing her market value. Some of us would not mind accepting a damaged consignment of goods but only at a deep discount. Please consider all of the medical bills that any future husband would have to bear due to the female problems she will no doubt suffer as a result of being repeatedly stuffed with a large penis. Things like chronic bed wetting due to her weakened bladder would put the longevity of the marriage in serious jeopardy. She may also have a penchant for seeking out large Lao Wai penises after the marriage. Risk analysis shows her to be in the high to very high risk category. Hence you should be more reasonable in regards to your expectations for red envelope.
Harummpphh.... you cain't see quality if it fell on you.
And appreciate quality?? Christ - any body who appreciates Meat Bloat's posts as you do......
Well enough said!.
Negotiations' OVER with you!!
You're way too..... (please fill in with any and all derogatory words your heart desires!)
SEAJ
Seajoe,
First off, I hope you don't take offense to what I'm about to say. But considering that you have larger penis than most Asian Men, am I to assume that your penis has done irreparable damages to her already?
Seeing how you have written your posts, allows me to understand that you are definitely in the finance industry! Without a reasonable doubt, Equities is my guess.
Anyhow, let's get back to the juicy parts of your "sponsorship". I am actually very impressed how you are able to let her go and wanting to let her live the next stage of her life. Most guys only care about themselves, and how usual sponsorships work, especially from HK mongers (please don't flame me, I'm just stating a fact from the examples I've personally seen) they usually always end up very messy. Messy as in, the guy usually waits until Chinese New Year when they go back home to their village and the guy just cuts his funds to her and runs away. This can be seen in many Huangguang sponsored girls after the financial crisis. It was almost a trickle down effect. The other scenario is that the girl usually runs away from the "sponsorship" because she doesn't know how to leave the relationship, either afraid of hurting the guy's feelings or just can't stand the bastard being so damn controlling that she runs off without a notice. But in your case, you spelled out everything almost like a a job offer contract. So your way of making things clear cut seems to be very effective. That coupled with the fact that you had a middleman, her older sister, as the negotiator.
My question is, I had always been in the impression that in CP love only exists so long as you are there, and once you leave it dissapears. Basically "love" in CP is nothing more than either temporary infatuation, or a good lie covered in ulterior motives. But in your situation you picked the younger sister who was the "innocent" one, not exposed to the harsh realities of CP and the "world of a WG." So I'm wondering if you were able to fall in love because she was not exposed to CP and became a WG, and she was a "normal" girl and not a WG? Or if this scenario was with the older sister, who has already been a WG, would the love have been there with time? Or is there just something that happens to a girl once they become a WG that makes sponsoring a girl not work out in the very end?
It's always hard to let go of the girls you have a mental connection with. Having that emotional connection with a girl is rare to none. You can find a white tiger easier than finding someone you click with. I'm wondering if you are contemplating or at least tempted at times to just continue the sponsorship for just one more year.? Or is your guilty conscience, or the fear that it'll be even harder to let her go serve as the barriers to your happiness?
In CP, or any other place in China. If you just monger for the physical aspect of things, you can become quite empty after a while. Yes, in the beginning it feels greats and most guys don't have a second thought about it; however, as my friend once told me " sometimes, you just want to fuck a girl that you like."
AsnDragon
SeaJoe,
I notice that your pricing quote for your ex-girlfriend seems to be very vague. Is there some part of you that cannot let go of her, that you are unwilling to reveal your starting bid for your red envelope-needed for this introduction?
As you have not become the MIDDLEMAN (strange how life works) will be providing all the complete disclosures, so that brothers here may do their due diligence fore embarking on this venture?
You think she will accept someone as old as me though? Be FULLY Honest when you answer this question please.
Thanks
P.S.- Ying or Yang, it doesn't matter, opposites attract anyhow.
AsnDragon
Good God AsnDragon!!!
You're suppossed to "draw in" her ying into yours - that's the reason to be screwing all these SYT's - but all 'em young pussy must instead be drawing YOUR YANG into them.... leaving you a demented old man who cain't even understand the printed words!!
I wrote that it's her identical Twin sister who's making the +- RMB 20K per month. My ex-gf just only started her business and is NOT making anywhere close - but she's nonetheless "OK" as she also has her rental to fall back on.
OK, the price.... since I basically was outlaying approx RMB xxx/month when I was keeping her.... Plus she's now "fully graduated" from the SEAJ school of advanced romance - we start off our negotiations from this base level.
Make your bid!
SEAJ
Chocha Monger
10-05-09, 09:34
Harummpphh.... you cain't see quality if it fell on you.
And appreciate quality?? Christ - any body who appreciates Meat Bloat's posts as you do......
Well enough said!.
Negotiations' OVER with you!!
You're way too..... (please fill in with any and all derogatory words your heart desires!)
SEAJ
Oh why so sour Joe? I agree with AsnDragon anyway, this girl really wants you back and you are still in love with her deep inside your heart though you may deny it. You're trying hard not to show it but you miss her xiao mei mei! Well, you should go ahead and take her back. She'd probably make you a good wife if you turn a blind eye to her giving Eaglestar a freebie every now and then in your absence.
As for your jab regarding Meat Loaf's posts I'd simply point out the fact that Van Gogh's paintings were not appreciated during his lifetime and were seen as the nonsensical works of a raving madman. Today you cannot afford one of his paintings with your entire life's earnings.
SE Asia Joe
10-05-09, 10:06
Oh why so sour Joe? I agree with AsnDragon anyway, this girl really wants you back and you are still in love with her deep inside your heart though you may deny it. You're trying hard not to show it but you miss her xiao mei mei! Well, you should go ahead and take her back. She'd probably make you a good wife if you turn a blind eye to her giving Eaglestar a freebie every now and then in your absence.
As for your jab regarding Meat Loaf's posts I'd simply point out the fact that Van Gogh's paintings were not appreciated during his lifetime and were seen as the nonsensical works of a raving madman. Today you cannot afford one of his paintings with your entire life's earnings.
And the contemporaries of Van Gogh??!!
And other wannabe artists??
Probably thousands if not hundreds of thousands of other supposed budding artists - and ALL of their works are now trash - the same as when they first "created" em.
Me-thinks you're too enamored of Signor Loaf!!
But of course you are right about my ex-GF - of course we BOTH still care about each other..... lots.... but we also know what has to be, has to be.
SEAJ
Meiguoguizi
10-05-09, 12:37
Continued..........
Ok, on with a reply to your post about my ex-GF.........
our fairytale-like relationship.
SEAJ
J,
Last night I put my 6 year old grand-daughter to sleep with the sweet story of you and your ex..
"Once upon a time in the kingdom of Guangdong an ugly old man with a large wise dick met a lovely young farm girl looking to make her fortune with her sweet young pussy.............
.......
Upon the conclusion of their magical sponsorship, Prince Joe and Princess Jiangxi reviewed the tenants of their pre-non-nup, now stained by many tears of love and two years of errant love juices. The prince bowed, still stiff. The princess curtsied, still tender.
Then the People's Iron Steed carried the princess from the Kingdom of Lust to her castle in the industrial outskirts of Nanchang..
To this day Prince Joe wanders the dungeons of CP in dark torment, doomed to vainly seek the magical sweet pussy of Prince Jiangxi.
OldAsiaHand
10-05-09, 12:58
Oah and eaglestar,
Freebies are great. I'm sure it's a whole different feel than the pay for play type of girl. But don't they get very clingy? I remember OAH had told me about girls that got him in trouble because they were too clingy and it was so hard to get rid of them. Do you guys find that to be the case when getting freebies? Does the fact that they latch onto you make it balloon into an even bigger headache than just pay for play?
I don't mind doing the 27-35 year old girl range at all. As women approach that age, it seems that their sexuality approaches its peak. They actually learn to enjoy sex a little bit more than the young 18-19 year old girls.
As I said before. Still got a lot to learn. Lifelong learning.
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
Yes, some get too clingy. I've had my share of clingy ones but they tended to be in the younger group. Another reason to raise the age bar. I've also had a few of the trophy wives that Bnlee2 talks about but I always feel guilty about it and afraid of getting caught. It is not always easy for me to do background checks. Often, the fact that the wife is available means that the husband is rich and powerful enough to be out prowling himself, probably has a mistress. Rich and powerful men in China have friends in high places.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
10-05-09, 13:01
SEAJ,
Did I miss something? Since when are you 25 years old?
OAH
SE Asia Joe
10-05-09, 15:57
SEAJ,
Did I miss something? Since when are you 25 years old?
OAH
Wot....?? You ain't been readin' my confessionals splashed all over here and the DGG thread?
you didn't read me at last coming out in the open??
936475
Oh Hell... since I'm already in deep doo doo with the Singaporeans anyway, I may as well [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the Taiwanese too and ...........................
.Thank God that we don't have too many Taiwanese on ISG - or at least I hope they ain't on here - for I'd hate to get my young ass kicked ..... after the Singaporeans floors me!!
I am SEAJ - And for those who wants to meet me, I am 25 years old, 6'2", 185 lbs, works out daily at the gym and practice tae kwon do/karate Sundays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Thai Kick boxing Mondays and Fridays. I am blue eyed, blond and come from Sweden.
Capice??
SEAJ
Member #4144
10-05-09, 17:56
SEAJ,
Did I miss something? Since when are you 25 years old?
OAH
Good to know that SEAJ is not in his 20s, as he had the reputation of always getting the best looking girls and two of them are now begging him to keep them. LOL.
Fillmore
Chocha Monger
10-05-09, 21:27
J,
Last night I put my 6 year old grand-daughter to sleep with the sweet story of you and your ex..
"Once upon a time in the kingdom of Guangdong an ugly old man with a large wise dick met a lovely young farm girl looking to make her fortune with her sweet young pussy.............
.......
Upon the conclusion of their magical sponsorship, Prince Joe and Princess Jiangxi reviewed the tenants of their pre-non-nup, now stained by many tears of love and two years of errant love juices. The prince bowed, still stiff. The princess curtsied, still tender.
Then the People's Iron Steed carried the princess from the Kingdom of Lust to her castle in the industrial outskirts of Nanchang..
To this day Prince Joe wanders the dungeons of CP in dark torment, doomed to vainly seek the magical sweet pussy of Prince Jiangxi.
That's an excellent story! Though I would edit the beginning to read:
"Once upon a time in the kingdom of Guangdong a rather large frog with an enormous dick met a lovely young farm wench looking to make a fortune with her sweet tight young pussy..."
You wanna call SEAjoe the large frog with an enormous dick, that's fine. But just to be fair, I think the girl should be left neutral in this case with no name calling. Because if SEAjoe is willing to sponsor her, I would have to admit that she MUST be VERY pretty in order for him to do so. Therefore, the girl should be described with neutral adjectives.
I'm trying not to ruin my chances to "eat soft rice" here alright guys? A girl with real estate and a small up-and-coming business as well, not to mention she must be hot! I'm going to pay more compliments than ridicule in order to get my foot in the door on that!
AsnDragon
That's an excellent story! Though I would edit the beginning to read:
"Once upon a time in the kingdom of Guangdong a rather large frog with an enormous dick met a lovely young farm wench looking to make a fortune with her sweet tight young pussy..."
Well, guess what??!! We actually fell in love!! OUCH!! And every time we knew it was time to part, neither one of us would actually have the heart to do so. Nice story dude. When it's over it's over, that's one of my few rules. I wouldn't try to get back with her, but maybe i'm wrong, that's your story, maybe she is waiting for you.
Maybe it's because i'm French, but i always think the most beautiful love stories are not in movies or books, but in our memory. That's why French people try to have as many love stories as possible before marriage and spend the rest of their life writing about it (and looking for more side projects) !
I pity the fools who always assume love stories don't happen between working girls or bar girls and random guys like us.
A girl has feelings too, even if she gets paid and even if her job is to do whatever she can to feed her family. Sometimes she just becomes addicted or on the contrary tries not to fall in love with a foreigner but still does.
That's what heppened with my KTV girl, she didn't want to see me when i was inviting her, but she always ended up calling me at 2am telling me to come over because she didn't wanted to sleep alone. To me, love is an addiction to a person. I was addicted to her, and she called me regularly so i guess she was too. She cried when i said i was going to leave and she cried at the airport too. Harder to fake than an orgasm.
Anyway, at what point did you fell in love and at what point did she fell in love ? After the first year?
SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 04:01
Guys.... I'm stepping on a minefield (groan, as usual!!) in the Cheap sex in China thread.
I am espousing the case that we in China do NOT want the cheap mongers to come over here and to spoil it all.
Yes, yes, yes, I've railed against the Big Swinging Dicks (BSD's) in the past - and now I'm doing the same against the Mongers On a Budget - the MOB!!
I hope you can see - and agree with - my reasoning on this and will go along with me to suppress the Cheap sex thread AND discourage the MOB from coming over.
Peace and out!!
SEAJ
I hope you can see - and agree with - my reasoning on this and will go along with me to suppress the Cheap sex thread AND discourage the MOB from coming over.
Isn't that what BBSs are for? In many areas in China ST at BBSs are 130 rmb to 150 rmb. Course, foreigners get charged 200 rmb. China is notorious for giving a cheap price to locals and an exorbitant price to any non-locals. And I do hate bargaining. A person would have to know the approx. value in order to bargain...not fun for many!
HJs at the shacks are 50 rmbs or less. 100 rmbs or less if you go for an hour of touching.
Saunas in smaller towns can go as low as 250 to 400 rmb. Full everything and in a nicer environment.
I've heard 50 rmb full sex in CP, but with the cheaper places, you really have to consider personal safety. Even WITH BBSs, the fact that you're going into a well-hidden and shady room is common-sense enough to either go with a partner or observe/become informed with such set ups.
Mongering on a budget may not be all that worth it. Shopping, eating, or sightseeing on a budget can be much more fulfilling. So really, I'd suggest a visitor to just stick to what's reported and time-tested. ISG not only has what things are going for, but also the secrets of "how to." Those are invaluable. As for cheaper and inner-secrets, well, that depends on how reliable the guide or informant is.
SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 04:39
That's an excellent story! Though I would edit the beginning to read:
"Once upon a time in the kingdom of Guangdong a rather large frog with an enormous dick met a lovely young farm wench looking to make a fortune with her sweet tight young pussy..."
Getting old... really old.
But what do I, a good looking, muscle rippling 25 year old know about "OLD" - but still Chocha - you're really old aintcha??!! And if not, you're nonetheless getting boring and long winded on this!!
SoTHERE!!
Peace N out!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 04:47
Isn't that what BBSs are for? In many areas in China ST at BBSs are 130 rmb to 150 rmb. Course, foreigners get charged 200 rmb. China is notorious for giving a cheap price to locals and an exorbitant price to any non-locals. And I do hate bargaining. A person would have to know the approx. value in order to bargain...not fun for many!
HJs at the shacks are 50 rmbs or less. 100 rmbs or less if you go for an hour of touching.
Saunas in smaller towns can go as low as 250 to 400 rmb. Full everything and in a nicer environment.
I've heard 50 rmb full sex in CP, but with the cheaper places, you really have to consider personal safety. Even WITH BBSs, the fact that you're going into a well-hidden and shady room is common-sense enough to either go with a partner or observe/become informed with such set ups.
Mongering on a budget may not be all that worth it. Shopping, eating, or sightseeing on a budget can be much more fulfilling. So really, I'd suggest a visitor to just stick to what's reported and time-tested. ISG not only has what things are going for, but also the secrets of "how to." Those are invaluable. As for cheaper and inner-secrets, well, that depends on how reliable the guide or informant is.
You've hit the nail on the head!!
I believe that we as a group of foreign mongers have probaly gone down low and far enough as far as locales, pricing and habits is concerned - and all that the cheap sex thread does is make known/wrongly publicize all the even lower, cheaper sex venues which is meant ONLY for locals.
Places which we as foreign mongers should never even know about - and certainly NOT report on or bring to the forefront - as it really brings a new low level of "shame and loss of face" to China.
Think about it - what would happen if one of these beer gutted, singlet garbed, flip flop shod, unshaven, unkempt guys (LL's = Low lifes!) get hurt or killed whilst in search of cheap pussy in DGG or other known mongering places. EASY for it to happen as these are a bunch of loud and foul mouthed idiots representing the worst of the bigoted and lowest strata/class people in their own country!!
And/or if a bunch of 'em just congregates regularly on SWL road in Chang Ping, Zapata in Shanghai, Workers stadium area in Beijing etc - the same way they saunter up and down the streets of AC or Pattaya? All attracted to and trying to find Cheap Sex in China. What's such a sight gonna do to the GENERAL perception of us foreign mongers in the eyes of the locals, the gals, etc etc - Not that we're perceived all that favorably at present as it is - but then we're gonna be lumped in together with these LL-MOB's!!!
Think about it..... and thus my eagerness to want to try to preserve our "hobby" the way it is!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 05:00
Good to know that SEAJ is not in his 20s, as he had the reputation of always getting the best looking girls and two of them are now begging him to keep them. LOL.
Fillmore
Whaddya mean I ain't in my 20's??/
Hell, I am much much more than just a regular 20's guy - I'm at least double or even triple the looks, the savoir faire and the idiocy of the regular 20's guy!!
So THERE to you TOO!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 07:53
GooOOoooOOooood Grief!!
How do I do this.....??
Get myself in some more deep doo doo.... even before I extricate myself from the hot water I'm in already??!!....t@#$!!
I've just heard "The word." Aaaaaand I quote" :
"..........Please do NOT use the initials "LL" to mean Low Lifes! We on the Thailand boards mean Livingstone Lodge when we write LL. At least make sure you draw a clear distinction that you mean low lifes and NOT Livingstone Lodge when writng LL. Thank You............"
OK..... I'm NOT sure if this "word" came from a detractor or a sycophant (they hate that I use this word to describe guys who seems to live and die with LL!!!!) of LL.
If you are a detractor - well - you've got your wish with this post.
If on the other hand you are a (sycophant, no no, OK, Ok) FAN of LL - who've been soooo jubilant and crowing this past couple or so days that "Any publicity, good or bad, is good publicity".... Well..... you've also got your wish!!
So please don't neither of you guys get after my case no more - OK?
I mean Hezzus Christos, the last time I even only mentioned that LL's - (errrr.... that's Livingstone's Lodge and NOT Low life's) got plastic chairs - as indeed their furnitures are covered in Plastic (NO NO NO - its Naugahide over Teak wood!!), I nearly didn't get out of there alive.
And I happen to be a fan of LL (Livingstone's Lodge!!! NOT low life's) - as I guess that there's just too many LL low lifes in Thailand - and LL (Livingstone's Lodge) does offer an oasis of at least a bit more discerning "higher" grade..... mongers (no no no, I ain't gonna use LL instead of mongers!) - and one does get what one expect.....
Peace Y'all!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 10:21
You wanna call SEAjoe the large frog with an enormous dick, that's fine. But just to be fair, I think the girl should be left neutral in this case with no name calling. Because if SEAjoe is willing to sponsor her, I would have to admit that she MUST be VERY pretty in order for him to do so. Therefore, the girl should be described with neutral adjectives.
I'm trying not to ruin my chances to "eat soft rice" here alright guys? A girl with real estate and a small up-and-coming business as well, not to mention she must be hot! I'm going to pay more compliments than ridicule in order to get my foot in the door on that!
AsnDragon
Hmmmmm.... a possibly acceptable suitor???
Maybe??
Perhaps??
Like Hell you are Dragon - you've got a "flower Heart" and will just break my poor little ex-GF's tender heart.
Shame on you! shame on you!!
Get back into your dragon's lair and pounce on OTHER unsuspecting youmg maidens.
HOW does a dragon attract the way you attract?? How is it possible?
I mean I've seen you attract them like flies to shit!!
Muahahaha!!
SEAJ
Ps. See Chocha... Young guys... young guys like Dragon and I.... we are YOUNG!!
SE Asia Joe
10-06-09, 10:26
Nice story dude. When it's over it's over, that's one of my few rules. I wouldn't try to get back with her, but maybe i'm wrong, that's your story, maybe she is waiting for you.
Maybe it's because i'm French, but i always think the most beautiful love stories are not in movies or books, but in our memory. That's why French people try to have as many love stories as possible before marriage and spend the rest of their life writing about it (and looking for more side projects) !
I pity the fools who always assume love stories don't happen between working girls or bar girls and random guys like us.
A girl has feelings too, even if she gets paid and even if her job is to do whatever she can to feed her family. Sometimes she just becomes addicted or on the contrary tries not to fall in love with a foreigner but still does.
That's what heppened with my KTV girl, she didn't want to see me when i was inviting her, but she always ended up calling me at 2am telling me to come over because she didn't wanted to sleep alone. To me, love is an addiction to a person. I was addicted to her, and she called me regularly so i guess she was too. She cried when i said i was going to leave and she cried at the airport too. Harder to fake than an orgasm.
Anyway, at what point did you fell in love and at what point did she fell in love ? After the first year?
Thanks Onadlos - appreciate it!!
One important clarification though - I never said that she was a WG - in fact, she's far from it as far as my definition opf a WG is concerned.
Others may think that she's not much better than a regular WG as she WAS a kept woman.
But......
SEAJ
Let's be clear here. For your kept girl, I will be completely faithful, because when it comes to being faithful to the girl who's going to bring home the bacon, I am by far the most faithful man you will ever see. Your accusation that I have a "flower heart" is totally blown out of proportion here.
I mean SeaJoe. Yes you've seen my in person. I am a little bit over 50, yes I do have a bit of a large tummy and a bit on the short. 5 feet 4 inches or so. Not everyone can be like you, all strong young and muscular-and blond! But you've seen me, I look like an honest guy who can take care of a girl. I may need a bit of help in the looks department, but I thought it's what's inside that counts, not the outside? As the song goes "我很丑，但是我很温柔。“ -Translation= "I may be ugly, but I'm a tender person."
Come on Joe. You have to let go of her sometime right? You're still a young man who can find other suitable young maidens to pursue, let an old-timer like me have a shot for once.
By the way. If you agree, can I sign a non-competitive clause, so I don't have to end up fighting all these other brothers who want her once they see her picture?
I'm still waiting Joe. You are killing us! We want to see what she looks like. You're putting a carrot on the stick. It's just cruel!
AsnDragon
Hmmmmm.... a possibly acceptable suitor???
Maybe??
Perhaps??
Like Hell you are Dragon - you've got a "flower Heart" and will just break my poor little ex-GF's tender heart.
Shame on you! shame on you!!
Get back into your dragon's lair and pounce on OTHER unsuspecting youmg maidens.
HOW does a dragon attract the way you attract?? How is it possible?
I mean I've seen you attract them like flies to shit!!
Muahahaha!!
SEAJ
Ps. See Chocha... Young guys... young guys like Dragon and I.... we are YOUNG!!
Chocha Monger
10-07-09, 09:01
Getting old... really old.
But what do I, a good looking, muscle rippling 25 year old know about "OLD" - but still Chocha - you're really old aintcha??!! And if not, you're nonetheless getting boring and long winded on this!!
SoTHERE!!
Peace N out!!
SEAJ
Joe:
I’m old… very old and tired too. Too many holes in too little time, it will do it to you every time. My old leathery weather beaten cock sheds a single tear from his blinded Cyclops eye for a youth misspent. He sports a long white beard like an old wise wrinkled Confucian China man. He’s seen more action than an Iraq War vet with four tours under his belt. He’s been down all kinds of caves Joe, with biological warfare suit and sometimes without. He’s puked more times than he can remember. Scars from bruises sustained while squeezing through many a tight tunnel mark his wrinkly skin. He used to rise early in the morn standing straight up like a soldier. Now the poor fellow just hangs his head in shame. I’m not quite sure what it is he’s ashamed of though. Perhaps, it’s a life of sordid debauchery. Maybe he feels guilty about roaming the world enjoying fresh young tits and pussy when others his age have resigned themselves to fat post-menopausal porkers at home. My doctor said it might be withdrawal symptoms from overdosing on Viagra one too many times. He said dicks that have too much of the stuff have been know to get a bit melancholic from time to time. Personally, I think the limp bastard resents me for some of the places I stuck him in his prime. I think all the bowing he does now is out of pure spite. It’s his way of getting back at me for slapping him around sometimes when I’ve had a bit too much to drink and feeling a little randy.
So you see Joe, the only way I can cheer my old abused noodle up is to tell him jokes. The story about a farm fresh China girl getting rooted by an enormous 25 year old lao wai dick made him laugh. It kind of reminded him of his youth. Really Joe, it’s nothing personal, just having a laugh at your expense that’s all. Shacking up with that farm girl up in Jiangxi might do him some good though. She’ll find him quite entertaining once he’s had his Viagra, Cialis, Levitra cocktail with a chaser of rice wine. As for me, there’s nothing I’d like to do more than remove my dentures and dine on some soft rice. Should you arrange that for me, I will hand you a thick red envelope while saying, “So solly, so solly sir!” Like AsnDragon, I too want to be a kept man and give up my wandering ways.
Thanks Onadlos - appreciate it!!
One important clarification though - I never said that she was a WG - in fact, she's far from it as far as my definition opf a WG is concerned.
Others may think that she's not much better than a regular WG as she WAS a kept woman.
But......
SEAJMy KTV girls is no WG either.
IN spite of what people think here, only about 20% of the KTV's include "full service, others just offer... singing songs with young ladies".
My KTV girls is no WG either.
IN spite of what people think here, only about 20% of the KTV's include "full service, others just offer... singing songs with young ladies".Don't fool yourself. The percentages of KTV gals that provide full service is much...much higher. Many of them will not admit that all they are is "higher" price ho's than the garden variety.. bbs..
It is probably absurd to mention this here. But, will the Chinese woman always try to move her parents to the USA and want to hang out with them during her free time? Will she want her mother to raise any possible child? Some guy wrote here how a woman from Shanghai took such good care of her husband and supported him. I wondered if the guy was just a houseboy of the rich wife. Anyway, this is probably not the place to talk about long term relationships with a Chinese woman. I'm curious how bad a move having a permanent relationship with an educated Shanghai woman could be.
OldAsiaHand
10-12-09, 07:10
It is probably absurd to mention this here. But, will the Chinese woman always try to move her parents to the USA and want to hang out with them during her free time? Will she want her mother to raise any possible child? Some guy wrote here how a woman from Shanghai took such good care of her husband and supported him. I wondered if the guy was just a houseboy of the rich wife. Anyway, this is probably not the place to talk about long term relationships with a Chinese woman. I'm curious how bad a move having a permanent relationship with an educated Shanghai woman could be.
A friend of mine, currently living in China, just returned to the USA for a couple of months. His Chinese wife, not only moved her parents, but there were 9 family members living in the 800 square foot condo.
It is normal in China for the grandmother to move in and help to raise the children. It is also normal in Shanghai for the husband to do all the work, including at home.
Just my POV.
OAH
A friend of mine, currently living in China, just returned to the USA for a couple of months. His Chinese wife, not only moved her parents, but there were 9 family members living in the 800 square foot condo.
It is normal in China for the grandmother to move in and help to raise the children. It is also normal in Shanghai for the husband to do all the work, including at home.
Just my POV.
OAH
Thanks!
I am currently "negotiating" with my potential partner. I had a family emergency and a long absence. Now I am going back to California, and my girlfriend is talking about how she wants to have a family and help her parents also. I said I am not interested in my in-laws being nearby, and under no circumstances my child raised by a foreign grandmother. We shall see how that goes over. I also said money sent to China upon my approval and consent, child not taken to China for over 30 days, no visits for over 30 days, etc.
Clean Gene
10-12-09, 08:10
It is probably absurd to mention this here. But, will the Chinese woman always try to move her parents to the USA and want to hang out with them during her free time? Will she want her mother to raise any possible child? Some guy wrote here how a woman from Shanghai took such good care of her husband and supported him. I wondered if the guy was just a houseboy of the rich wife. Anyway, this is probably not the place to talk about long term relationships with a Chinese woman. I'm curious how bad a move having a permanent relationship with an educated Shanghai woman could be.
A young mother-in-law can be partly an asset (but mostly an intolerable influence). She can be reduced to a docile domestic with proper handling.
Shanghai women are difficult unless you are Shanghainese. This includes "Shanghainese in disguise" (anyone who has lived or been educated in the Shanghai area--which includes Zhejiang and Taiwan--or are an offspring of any such person.) Simplest JUST FUCK AND RUN.
Not mentioned above are male offspring of such women from previous husbands. A lawyer in Los Angeles recommends simply doing away with the boy while he is still in China. (Although he himself has not done so, and has paid an excruciating price.)
CG
A young mother-in-law can be partly an asset (but mostly an intolerable influence). She can be reduced to a docile domestic with proper handling.
Shanghai women are difficult unless you are Shanghainese. This includes "Shanghainese in disguise" (anyone who has lived or been educated in the Shanghai area--which includes Zhejiang and Taiwan--or are an offspring of any such person.) Simplest JUST FUCK AND RUN.
Not mentioned above are male offspring of such women from previous husbands. A lawyer in Los Angeles recommends simply doing away with the boy while he is still in China. (Although he himself has not done so, and has paid an excruciating price.)
CGThanks! The in-law is older, and I speak not a word of Mandarin. I already said there is a 30 day limit to any visitors, and 30 day limit to Shanghai Lil leaving the USA to visit China. I also said no having in-laws living nearby. I also said no in-law raising of child. I bet this Shanghai woman never bargained harder before. I would actually not marry anyone in California, it would be a China marriage so I can't be sued later. I hope I am covering all the bases. Maybe I should buy a disposable engagement ring instead, haha.
Dash,
All Shanghai girls say yes and comply with everything you talked about and agree about prior to marriage.Then after you marry, she'll slowly sneak things through, when and if she can.
Beware of Shanghai girls- as they are demanding...overly demanding...ridiculously overly demanding.
Good luck
AsnDragon
Thanks! The in-law is older, and I speak not a word of Mandarin. I already said there is a 30 day limit to any visitors, and 30 day limit to Shanghai Lil leaving the USA to visit China. I also said no having in-laws living nearby. I also said no in-law raising of child. I bet this Shanghai woman never bargained harder before. I would actually not marry anyone in California, it would be a China marriage so I can't be sued later. I hope I am covering all the bases. Maybe I should buy a disposable engagement ring instead, haha.
His Chinese wife, not only moved her parents, but there were 9 family members living in the 800 square foot condo.
It is normal in China for the grandmother to move in and help to raise the children. It is also normal in Shanghai for the husband to do all the work, including at home.
LOL...
The idea is that the husband takes care of the wife and her family and later, the wife and her family will take care of the children (and also grandchildren). Who else is more fit to take care of family and installing values than females? One big extended family. That's the Chinese way. Not exclusive to Shanghai, but for some reason, Shanghai's got a lot more men who are whipped and pretty much castrated after marriage. Don't know why this is so...maybe the wife holds that much more power socio-economically. Or maybe the men do all that extra stuff to "be good" so he can go to CP to "be bad."
Funny how I never meet these "I love my entire family" girls. Most girls I meet are the career types who is independent and not that attached to her family. Always talk of double-income-no-kids (initials spell...). Wonder where all the family-first ones are at?
Thanks! The in-law is older, and I speak not a word of Mandarin. I already said there is a 30 day limit to any visitors, and 30 day limit to Shanghai Lil leaving the USA to visit China. I also said no having in-laws living nearby. I also said no in-law raising of child. I bet this Shanghai woman never bargained harder before. I would actually not marry anyone in California, it would be a China marriage so I can't be sued later. I hope I am covering all the bases. Maybe I should buy a disposable engagement ring instead, haha.
Smart to make it a Chinese marriage. Definitely not a CA marriage. Drawback of marrying in China is that she will have to sit in China until her green card comes through, which can take ages. Getting her stateside on a fiancee visa is the more expeditious route, but then you will marry according to US rules. CA certainly is one of the worst states, but the other ones are not much better. (I have costly experience ....) When you divorce, the divorce is settled according to Chinese law. http://www.nyconsulate.prchina.org/eng/lsqz/laws/t42222.htm. Don't think it's a bed of roses. A prenup is strongly advised.
Once she has a green card, convince her NOT to take US citizenship. No matter what your agreement says, as a citizen, she can petition to bring in her parents and her siblings. With a green card, she can only petition to bring in her unmarried children (lets make sure she doesn't have any) and her husband. But hubby already is in.
Smart to make it a Chinese marriage. Definitely not a CA marriage. Drawback of marrying in China is that she will have to sit in China until her green card comes through, which can take ages. Getting her stateside on a fiancee visa is the more expeditious route, but then you will marry according to US rules. CA certainly is one of the worst states, but the other ones are not much better. (I have costly experience ....) When you divorce, the divorce is settled according to Chinese law. http://www.nyconsulate.prchina.org/eng/lsqz/laws/t42222.htm. Don't think it's a bed of roses. A prenup is strongly advised.
Once she has a green card, convince her NOT to take US citizenship. No matter what your agreement says, as a citizen, she can petition to bring in her parents and her siblings. With a green card, she can only petition to bring in her unmarried children (lets make sure she doesn't have any) and her husband. But hubby already is in.
This woman is previously married. She married a very rich but low class older US man who went to China to pick her out from several "candidates". So, she was efficient and actually became a citizen. I met her when she was about to separate, but was still married. Her marriage lasted 4 years, and I met her when she was traveling in Hong Kong a few years ago. She says she was "looking for another husband" when she met me. Funny, I never heard that before last month when she started busting my balls. I am still afraid to marry a US Citizen in California who fought her ex-husband tooth and nail, spending thousands of her own money to appeal her case and try for a huge score (potential upside was hundreds of thousands). I worry she would fight me as hard, if she decided I was also "bad".
If you marry her in China, it will be according to Chinese law. Read it and weep. As an experienced divorcee, (getting US citizenship inside of a 4 year marriage takes some energy) she will (take my word for it) marry you in CA. As a citizen of the US, she has the right to bring her family. My recommendation: RUN!!!!!!
This woman is previously married. She married a very rich but low class older US man who went to China to pick her out from several "candidates". So, she was efficient and actually became a citizen. I met her when she was about to separate, but was still married. Her marriage lasted 4 years, and I met her when she was traveling in Hong Kong a few years ago. She says she was "looking for another husband" when she met me. Funny, I never heard that before last month when she started busting my balls. I am still afraid to marry a US Citizen in California who fought her ex-husband tooth and nail, spending thousands of her own money to appeal her case and try for a huge score (potential upside was hundreds of thousands). I worry she would fight me as hard, if she decided I was also "bad".
If you marry her in China, it will be according to Chinese law. Read it and weep. As an experienced divorcee, (getting US citizenship inside of a 4 year marriage takes some energy) she will (take my word for it) marry you in CA. As a citizen of the US, she has the right to bring her family. My recommendation: RUN!!!!!!
Thank you! I believe that she is getting extreme pressure from her parents. I will email one more time and copy paste some nuggets from here. The guy who came back to a condo full of Chinese relatives is classic, and the comment about Shanghai women too. I know a Japanese woman educated at UC and even she mentioned "your girlfriend is from Shanghai? Watch out." Seems Shanghai women have a reputation, not all good. Now I will be looking for ways to see her without conditions. Her parents and their difficulty are not my problem. As a Chinese may say "It is their destiny."
My advice: Take the (or any) Japanese and marry her in Japan. If you run around on her, she can sue your concubine for damages (if she has proof - photos in flagranti) but she cannot sue you. Japanese divorces are quick and painless. And - sorry, guys - Japanese women are Amaterasu's gift to mankind.
Thank you! I believe that she is getting extreme pressure from her parents. I will email one more time and copy paste some nuggets from here. The guy who came back to a condo full of Chinese relatives is classic, and the comment about Shanghai women too. I know a Japanese woman educated at UC and even she mentioned "your girlfriend is from Shanghai? Watch out." Seems Shanghai women have a reputation, not all good. Now I will be looking for ways to see her without conditions. Her parents and their difficulty are not my problem. As a Chinese may say "It is their destiny."
My advice: Take the (or any) Japanese and marry her in Japan. If you run around on her, she can sue your concubine for damages (if she has proof - photos in flagranti) but she cannot sue you. Japanese divorces are quick and painless. And - sorry, guys - Japanese women are Amaterasu's gift to mankind.
The woman who is Japanese is an old friend from her California college days. My girlfriend is a Chinese from Shanghai. I believe I will be dead meat if I get married to Shanghai Lil, since she has already told me her intentions of using "her money" to pay for her parents to live in the USA??!! I am composing email to her saying I will not agree to this arrangement.
Ham Sap Lo
10-12-09, 18:47
Hey guys. I'm hoping those that have gone before me can offer up some advice on what to do in this situation.
So on my last trip to China I mongered around the saunas and there was one particular girl sexy enough to go for a repeat. I probably would have repeated every day, but I had to go home. Before leaving I got her phone number and QQ. I think about the sex every day and I could definitely see myself banging that fine pussy and mouth the 2 times or so a year I go to China. Ever since I got back we chat occasionally on QQ.
Any advice on keeping the girl's interest during the wait period, which is going to be months? You know how these girls are. They're not going to pay you much attention unless there's money. I briefly thought about sending small amounts of money but I know that's a bad road to go down. I thought up a compromise where she could send me nudie pics and I could send money, but we just couldn't agree on a price. I figured 100 RMB / photo would be fair.. obviously she didn't.. she wanted 10000. My Chinese was not good enough to explain that LA porn stars probably don't even make that much. :) Or is it that I'm just being too cheap?
Those of you that see an old flame after months of absence, does it usually work out again, or is the memory always better than the reality? How much do you usually pay the girl for the whole evening and night when you go back? It's got to be enough so that it's more worth it for her to have a night on the town with you instead of working at the sauna, but not too ridiculous that you fuck up the market for yourself and everyone else.
Any other tips on how to stay sane? I try to keep interest alive with QQ chat and her story is the typical sob story you see in a lot of these girls. Parents are in poor health, she doesn't have a home but instead lives at the sauna, etc. For what it's worth, she didn't offer the story trying to worm money out of me, I had asked specific questions after reading a lot of ISG posts. I feel pretty sorry for her.
Ham Sap Lo,
Don't go down that road. She'll either be still free and working when you get back, or she won't. Spending money in the meantime is just going to make you poor and her a bit richer, and not actually influence anything she does or will do. Except one thing - she'll expect even more money when you return.
Ham Sap Lo,
I can honestly say that I have been in your position before. In fact, I've gone after girls that work in every sector of the mongering business. I've gone after KTV girls, BBS girls, Sauna girls, sleazy foot massage girls etc. Hell, I've even gone after Non WG, hotel receptionist, restaurant waitress, Real estate agents in China. But as for the NON WG we'll lay off on that until next time. But out of all the WG professions, Saunas girls are the HARDEST to get.
Let me tell you the reason why please see following:
-BBS Girl
A BBS girl usually maximum per day only does about 2-3 customers a day. Their working style and environment is a lot more relaxed. That can or cannot service the customers that choose them. They don't get fined or get in much trouble for not servicing the customers. Their money and repeats business is based on their own merits.
-KTV Girl
KTV has a bit more rules they have to follow. They get fined for stupid things related to being at the KTV itself. However, they rarely get fined for NOT performing well in bed with the customers. Sure they get fined for not having a good attitude, or not drinking when customers tell them to. But when after the drinking and they go back to the hotel with the customer, they basically are the laziest lays ever. Some don't really even want to give a BJ etc. The maximum amount of guys they fuck is usually 1 maybe 2 if the guy does her again in the morning.
-Sauna Girls
Sauna girls are constantly on their tippy toes. Any small mistake they get fined. If they leave behind a small plastic wrapper they get fined. If a customer not even complains, but says the service was "ok" and no "good" they get fined. They get fined if a customer forgets his personal item and comes back looking for it. They get fined for not having their hair perfect. If they are sick and don't want to work that day, they have to pay a fine just to rest for the day. At some saunas if the girl cannot make the customer cum, they also get fined for that as well. In addition, if you are a hot and popular girl, you have to do a guy sometimes up to 7-8 times a day. And no. These girl's don't just lay down there and let the customer do his thing and be lazy. A Sauna girl has to rub, scrub, suck and lick you in places that stink all day long. If you imagine. A girl after a while becomes so desensitized that they act or are rather cold in their demeanor and character.
Now, we all know that most girls, not all, but most girls that end up working as a WG feel that it's a profession that is not honorable. Therefore, many girls will block and put their emotional attachments aside so that they can function in doing their job, earning their money and getting out of the business to move on with their lives. Once there is emotional attachment to any man, it makes it incredibly hard to do their job. This is especially true for a Sauna girl. The amount of men they service a day, and they things they have to do for a guy, regardless of they are good looking, fat, or ugly puts a big toll on their emotional well being. In fact, there are sauna girls, where I've asked them if they like this job, many of them don't like it. They say it's hard work and they have sex so many times that they become numb to the whole thing. In fact, they tell me they see so many dicks and do it so many times they get scared of having sex.
Sauna girls may earn the most money, the quickest out of the three category of professions; however, many of them never last long doing it, and at times they get fined so much money a month that averaging it out they get paid less than a KTV girl at time, but not all the time. It's a high stress environment to be under every single day.
Girls that go out doing a sauna are basically three types of girls:
1. They are greedy and want a quick buck. They don't mind working hard and suffering, but they want it quick so they can get out of the business fast
2. Girls that can't drink alcohol. If they were that pretty of a sauna girl, many of them usually will become a KTV girl more than a Sauna girl because it's more relaxed and they don't need do do as much servicing for the guy.
3. They are desperate for money, either for their parents who have health issues are poor, siblings that need money for school, or a Pimp boyfriend who she actually loves, or who threatens to beat her up if she does not bring home the money for his to spend, therefore she was tricked into doing it because of the pimp boyfriend/slave driver.
Regardless of what the reason is, many sauna girls are pretty screwed up in the head after being in the business for a while. As with every high stress job, you work your ass off all the time, you end up wanting to do things to reward yourself as well. As a result, many Sauna girls actually don't end up saving up much money because in order to relieve their stress at work, they end up shopping and buying up expensive clothing, items, jewelry and dining etc. On their days off. Which you can be assured is at least 1 week a month. So many sauna girls end up with no savings, which is kind of sad. In addition, working at a sauna is almost like being owned completely by the organization, they dictate what clothes you wear, every single action you do during the servicing of the man, how your makeup and hair should be, how you should act. Not to mention that it's bad enough to service men 7-8 times a day, but certain days of the week they have practice lessons where you have to learn new techniques or brush up on it, so you have to service men during the practice lessons. To top it all off, they also have to pay a huge fee just to pay for the lesson fees in order to learn to be a sauna girl, in which we services customers for free during the trial period. Sometimes during Chinese New Years you have to give out a red envelope to the managers or supervisors, and depending on the amount you give they will give you preference on giving you better shifts of the day etc.
So, it's not easy being a sauna girl. They are extremely complicated, and aren't the most easy girls to warm up to. It took me 2 months to get a Sauna girl to like me. I spent more money than I should have. I took a lot of time, effort and the experience was not good at all.
Now, how do you keep in touch before you go back? Well, there's nothing much you can do about that. Girls in China come and go all the time. When they are there, enjoy them. But if you think they will be there 4-6 months afterward, likeliness is very low. Not saying there NOT a chance, just probability is very low. There have been sauna girls throughout that I wished would stay, but 90% of them all left. They change their phone numbers, leave their WORKING life behind and move on, hoping to forget about all the ass licking they have done in their previous job.
So if I were you and you had an incredible session. Book a flight, take days off work, fly over and just do her for a week straight 2 times a week if you need to. After doing her 14 times, I can assure you that you will like her less. Because men in the end, want variety, as variety is the spice to life.
Just my personal opinion. (damn I felt like wrote a whole essay)
AsnDragon
Hey guys. I'm hoping those that have gone before me can offer up some advice on what to do in this situation.
So on my last trip to China I mongered around the saunas and there was one particular girl sexy enough to go for a repeat. I probably would have repeated every day, but I had to go home. Before leaving I got her phone number and QQ. I think about the sex every day and I could definitely see myself banging that fine pussy and mouth the 2 times or so a year I go to China. Ever since I got back we chat occasionally on QQ.
Any advice on keeping the girl's interest during the wait period, which is going to be months? You know how these girls are. They're not going to pay you much attention unless there's money. I briefly thought about sending small amounts of money but I know that's a bad road to go down. I thought up a compromise where she could send me nudie pics and I could send money, but we just couldn't agree on a price. I figured 100 RMB / photo would be fair.. obviously she didn't.. she wanted 10000. My Chinese was not good enough to explain that LA porn stars probably don't even make that much. :) Or is it that I'm just being too cheap?
Those of you that see an old flame after months of absence, does it usually work out again, or is the memory always better than the reality? How much do you usually pay the girl for the whole evening and night when you go back? It's got to be enough so that it's more worth it for her to have a night on the town with you instead of working at the sauna, but not too ridiculous that you fuck up the market for yourself and everyone else.
Any other tips on how to stay sane? I try to keep interest alive with QQ chat and her story is the typical sob story you see in a lot of these girls. Parents are in poor health, she doesn't have a home but instead lives at the sauna, etc. For what it's worth, she didn't offer the story trying to worm money out of me, I had asked specific questions after reading a lot of ISG posts. I feel pretty sorry for her.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
Hey guys. I'm hoping those that have gone before me can offer up some advice on what to do in this situation.
So on my last trip to China I mongered around the saunas and there was one particular girl sexy enough to go for a repeat. I probably would have repeated every day, but I had to go home. Before leaving I got her phone number and QQ. I think about the sex every day and I could definitely see myself banging that fine pussy and mouth the 2 times or so a year I go to China. Ever since I got back we chat occasionally on QQ.
Any advice on keeping the girl's interest during the wait period, which is going to be months? You know how these girls are. They're not going to pay you much attention unless there's money. I briefly thought about sending small amounts of money but I know that's a bad road to go down. I thought up a compromise where she could send me nudie pics and I could send money, but we just couldn't agree on a price. I figured 100 RMB / photo would be fair.. obviously she didn't.. she wanted 10000. My Chinese was not good enough to explain that LA porn stars probably don't even make that much. :) Or is it that I'm just being too cheap?
Those of you that see an old flame after months of absence, does it usually work out again, or is the memory always better than the reality? How much do you usually pay the girl for the whole evening and night when you go back? It's got to be enough so that it's more worth it for her to have a night on the town with you instead of working at the sauna, but not too ridiculous that you fuck up the market for yourself and everyone else.
Any other tips on how to stay sane? I try to keep interest alive with QQ chat and her story is the typical sob story you see in a lot of these girls. Parents are in poor health, she doesn't have a home but instead lives at the sauna, etc. For what it's worth, she didn't offer the story trying to worm money out of me, I had asked specific questions after reading a lot of ISG posts. I feel pretty sorry for her.
I have had some long distance "relationships" with Mexican girls. They weren't hookers, but the idea is the same. If you want to be a saint, send her money. If you want to see her, go see her. If you want her to remember you, good luck with that. "out of sight, out of mind" applies. For a picture she will be very reluctant. They may be hookers, but they don't want any permanent evidence floating around in some John's possesssion. Imagine her horror to see it posted somewhere?
There is always a good time when you come back to see someone you had fun with before, but she may move. As far as keeping your sanity, do not pine away about this girl. Find someone where you live to date, as inferior as she may be. Never say you lose your sanity over a girl, it's the road to perdition buddy.
Those of you that see an old flame after months of absence, does it usually work out again, or is the memory always better than the reality? How much do you usually pay the girl for the whole evening and night when you go back? It's got to be enough so that it's more worth it for her to have a night on the town with you instead of working at the sauna, but not too ridiculous that you fuck up the market for yourself and everyone else.
Any other tips on how to stay sane? I try to keep interest alive with QQ chat and her story is the typical sob story you see in a lot of these girls. Parents are in poor health, she doesn't have a home but instead lives at the sauna, etc. For what it's worth, she didn't offer the story trying to worm money out of me, I had asked specific questions after reading a lot of ISG posts. I feel pretty sorry for her.
An arrangement along these lines is actually quite common in China. As any business arrangement in China, in can be quite profitable. Or end in a disaster. If you are successful, you have joined the ranks of successful Chinese (and foreign) businessmen who show off their Chinese concubine with pride. If you mess it up, you will end up poor, your Western marriage shattered, and you will have an offspring in China who is an ATM machine that looks a bit like you. You are entering the Er Nai zone …
The Er Nai is your Chinese concubine. Also known as “Xiao laopo” (“little wife”.) There was a good article in Times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article604618.ece .
From reading the article, it quickly becomes clear that this is not a low budget investment. If you just want to mollify a bad conscience, or have warm and fuzzy feelings about “rescuing a poor girl,” forget it.
This arrangement can work out several rungs lower than Prada and villa and BMW. I know several Western businessmen who come to China often. Instead of getting picked up by a driver holding up a sign with a misspelled name, they are met by a beautiful girl with a smile and a hug. Instead of driving off to a hotel, they go to her & his apartment. His luggage is light, most of his stuff needed in China is in the wardrobe.
This arrangement works out if you come to China often, say every second or third month, and stay a while. If you can write off the apartment as an office, and the lady as an assistant, it is very tax efficient. You will have someone to look after you when you are here, and who looks after your Chinese affairs when you are not. The monthly rent of a one bedroom in Beijing can be covered by the price of two or three nights in a five-star. You’ll learn Chinese.
The girl needs to be qualified to do this. This is not a job for a country bumpkin. It will cost you the price of the apartment, and at least 3000 – 5000 a month for the girl. More if her qualifications are high. Do not buy the apartment, it may end up in her name.
You need to keep her busy. If she’s idle for long times, she’ll get used to it, she’ll get second thoughts and second or third “steadies.” I know of some ladies who successfully juggle up to five “steadies.”
You need to make it clear that this is a professional “second wife” arrangement. If you make it clear, it is accepted. Look for an open minded one. Train her to introduce you to other women, and to arrange female companionship for you and your business partners on travels. Keeps matters clear.
If you are married at home, watch out. In China, the second wife is usually accepted by the first wife, as long as the first wife is properly taken care of. In the West, you will hear from a lawyer. You are open to blackmail by your second wife. The strangest story I had personally witnessed was that of a very sharp Beijing girl, MBA material, who was, at the same time, the xiao laopo of a US venture capitalist and a Japanese CEO. One time, both were in town. Fate would have it that both resided at the same hotel with their respective entourages. Xiao laopo made many trips between the 12th and 15th floor. The Chinese driver of the Japanese CEO found out (they have better intelligence here) and she was discretely dumped by CEO-san who had already arranged for her Tokyo studies. Then, Xiao set out to blow up the American's marriage (he was 40 years her senior and had prostate cancer, good catch.) Strangely, Xiao chatted up the son of the US venture capitalist on MSN and started a virtual romance with the son, while dating the father. It ended in a monstrous explosion. Xiao ended up with nothing.
Bottom line: It is done, quite often, quite successfully. It is not a low budget affair. It has its hazards. Advantageous if you can mix business with pleasure. Sending money just to keep memories alive or to get pictures is moronic.
OldAsiaHand
10-13-09, 09:49
Thanks! The in-law is older, and I speak not a word of Mandarin. I already said there is a 30 day limit to any visitors, and 30 day limit to Shanghai Lil leaving the USA to visit China. I also said no having in-laws living nearby. I also said no in-law raising of child. I bet this Shanghai woman never bargained harder before. I would actually not marry anyone in California, it would be a China marriage so I can't be sued later. I hope I am covering all the bases. Maybe I should buy a disposable engagement ring instead, haha.
Dash,
IMHO, your approach to this marriage is doomed for failure. Everything you are bargaining for runs against the grain of Chinese culture. Neither of you will ever be happy in this relationship.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
10-13-09, 10:01
Hey guys. I'm hoping those that have gone before me can offer up some advice on what to do in this situation.
So on my last trip to China I mongered around the saunas and there was one particular girl sexy enough to go for a repeat. I probably would have repeated every day, but I had to go home. Before leaving I got her phone number and QQ. I think about the sex every day and I could definitely see myself banging that fine pussy and mouth the 2 times or so a year I go to China. Ever since I got back we chat occasionally on QQ.
Any advice on keeping the girl's interest during the wait period, which is going to be months? You know how these girls are. They're not going to pay you much attention unless there's money. I briefly thought about sending small amounts of money but I know that's a bad road to go down. I thought up a compromise where she could send me nudie pics and I could send money, but we just couldn't agree on a price. I figured 100 RMB / photo would be fair.. obviously she didn't.. she wanted 10000. My Chinese was not good enough to explain that LA porn stars probably don't even make that much. :) Or is it that I'm just being too cheap?
Those of you that see an old flame after months of absence, does it usually work out again, or is the memory always better than the reality? How much do you usually pay the girl for the whole evening and night when you go back? It's got to be enough so that it's more worth it for her to have a night on the town with you instead of working at the sauna, but not too ridiculous that you fuck up the market for yourself and everyone else.
Any other tips on how to stay sane? I try to keep interest alive with QQ chat and her story is the typical sob story you see in a lot of these girls. Parents are in poor health, she doesn't have a home but instead lives at the sauna, etc. For what it's worth, she didn't offer the story trying to worm money out of me, I had asked specific questions after reading a lot of ISG posts. I feel pretty sorry for her.
Ham Sap Lo,
Unless you are willing to make the investment that Zhuren mentions and even then have no guarantee of exclusitivity when you are away, just stay in touch and see her when you come over, pay her for her time or sauna session and leave it at that. I believe you will find that the fantasy will end after a few visits.
Just my POV.
OAH
Meiguoguizi
10-13-09, 13:06
As in most human interactions, there is room for variability.
I have a five-year 'friendship' with an ex-sauna girl from a small town in Dongbei.
At 24 years old, she has retired from the business and is back in her hometown, living at home, looking for a husband.
I am in China several times a year for a cumulative 3 or 4 months. In total, I spend two or three weeks a year with her in different cities. She hops on a plane, stays with me for a week while I work, and when I request, heads back home.
I've discovered that I miss her while I'm away in the U.S., but after a week in China with her, I become bored and prefer a steady variety of new 'acquaintances'. I'm sure she knows this and perhaps feels the same way.
We communicate regularly by email and QQ. I wish her well with her search for a husband.
It helps that I'm 'happily' married and 30 years older than her, so a real marriage was never on the table.
Money - when I'm in China I absorb her airfare and present her with 1000 rmb daily. We shop occasionally, to buy clothes that I want her to wear when she is with me. No jewelry. A gift from the U.S. upon arrival.
Cumulatively she receives about 20,000 - 25,000 rmb annually, 3 or 4K U.S. Nothing much in the U.S., but in a small town in China, not a bad p/t job.
As an ex-sauna gal, her technique is outstanding. Her affection for me is either sincere, or well acted. Most importantly she is willing to bare the shame of eating and walking in public with an old lao wai. It doesnt seem to bother her too much, and she loves to boss the waitresses and the maids around.
I do not tolerate any persistent requests for additional money or support, she knows she's back on the plane home if that occurs. I do not wish to duplicate the traditional 'er nai' relationship - who the hell wants more than one wife? Chinese wives routinely self-define themselves as the boss in the relationship, wanting more than one Chinese wife seems to me masochistic. I'll leave that to you HK guys.
My xiao xiao lao po will marry soon. I am grooming another young Henan village lass to replace her.
Dash,
IMHO, your approach to this marriage is doomed for failure. Everything you are bargaining for runs against the grain of Chinese culture. Neither of you will ever be happy in this relationship.
Just my POV.
OAH
OAH, thanks. You are correct. My "bargaining" is in reponse to the woman's laundry list. She is a divorcee who is a US Citizen, and wants to be a mother but wants to go back to China for 6 months so she can make money outside of CA. She wants to move her parents to the USA as our neighbors. ETC. I do not particularly care to adopt the cuture of someone who has adopted MY country. Anyway, she went through my desk once and found hooker picks of girls I posted on this forum and said I was a "sex addict" etc. This was mongering I did years ago. She is one of the rare women who married rich, signed a prenup, refused $3000/month alimony because she was seeking a pot of gold. She lost, and then spent $20,000 (her life savings) to appeal the divorce court decision. The rich husband finally got sick of fighting and she got $10,000 or so. I did her homework for college, even while I took care of my dying mother 22 hours per day. I am afraid to marry a woman capable of such tenacious fighting. She said she wants a baby to help her in old age because "you will die before me". Isn't Chinese culture avoiding the blunt mention of your future husband dying? No problem for Shanghai Lil evidently.
Money - when I'm in China I absorb her airfare and present her with 1000 rmb daily. We shop occasionally, to buy clothes that I want her to wear when she is with me. No jewelry. A gift from the U.S. upon arrival.
Cumulatively she receives about 20,000 - 25,000 rmb annually, 3 or 4K U.S.
This "pay as you go" approach is another good variation on the theme. The rate is about right.
She is a divorcee who is a US Citizen, and wants to be a mother but wants to go back to China for 6 months so she can make money outside of CA. She wants to move her parents to the USA as our neighbors. ETC.....I am afraid to marry a woman capable of such tenacious fighting. She said she wants a baby to help her in old age because "you will die before me".
It sounds really callous but there is no way that this can end in anything but a mountain of problems. Really - not problems in another decade, immense troubles weeks after the papers are signed.
Ham Sap Lo
10-13-09, 18:28
Just wanted to write a quick note that I really appreciated the replies, the voice of wisdom, and the insight into market rates. It's nice to see the "battle scars," so to speak.
The sex is like a drug sometimes. Hard to think about anything else when you're not in China.
DoItUnderwater
10-13-09, 18:42
Dash,
You already know what you should do. Quote "I believe I will be dead meat if I get married to Shanghai little."
Listen to yourself and all the friends here. Cut and run! Now, as fast as you can. Get your balls back out her purse and get out!
The woman who is Japanese is an old friend from her California college days. My girlfriend is a Chinese from Shanghai. I believe I will be dead meat if I get married to Shanghai Lil, since she has already told me her intentions of using "her money" to pay for her parents to live in the USA??!! I am composing email to her saying I will not agree to this arrangement.
It sounds really callous but there is no way that this can end in anything but a mountain of problems. Really - not problems in another decade, immense troubles weeks after the papers are signed.
Thanks Exile.
I will not sign anything, not marry anyone, not have children with her. I have determined she is doing her parents' bidding. So my negotiating is completely over. Great pussy is nice, but my sanity and freedom (and money) is worth more to me.
Member #4144
10-14-09, 01:20
Just wanted to write a quick note that I really appreciated the replies, the voice of wisdom, and the insight into market rates. It's nice to see the "battle scars," so to speak.
The sex is like a drug sometimes. Hard to think about anything else when you're not in China.
I think it is still possible to keep a working ktv girl around by calling her once a week and send her 1k-2k rmb once in a while (averge to about 1k a month) to keep her being your gf until your next visit. She may have other such bf but at least when you see her again, she would be very excited and happy to be with you again and the sex that much better, not to mention the calling will keep the relatinoship interesting. I have done this, but I would only do so with a ktv girl who has much lower mileage then other types.
Fillmore.
Fillmore,
how are you even transferring money to her? I mean if you do a wire transaction, i feel that it's too close to home, they sort of have information on where the money is coming from. If you do other types of western union, there sometimes is no guarantee that there is a place nearby for them to get the money.
I'm curious, aren't you all afraid of the financial tracks that you leave when doing these types of monetary transfers?
AsnDragon
I think it is still possible to keep a working ktv girl around by calling her once a week and send her 1k-2k rmb once in a while (averge to about 1k a month) to keep her being your gf until your next visit. She may have other such bf but at least when you see her again, she would be very excited and happy to be with you again and the sex that much better, not to mention the calling will keep the relatinoship interesting. I have done this, but I would only do so with a ktv girl who has much lower mileage then other types.
Fillmore.
I think it is still possible to keep a working ktv girl around by calling her once a week and send her 1k-2k rmb once in a while (averge to about 1k a month) to keep her being your gf until your next visit. She may have other such bf but at least when you see her again, she would be very excited and happy to be with you again and the sex that much better, not to mention the calling will keep the relationship interesting. I have done this, but I would only do so with a ktv girl who has much lower mileage then other types.
Fillmore.
In my opinion, I would test her. I found out working girls will lie all the time. They are very dishonest. I am nice to them but I will never trust them.
I believe it is possible too if you are looking for a girl friend or wife and if you find her earlier her career. After getting to know your girl, sending money, and 2-3 months of not seeing your KTV girl, I would ask a "trusted" friend to try to pick her up. It is to see if she will sleep with your friend. If she says no, tell your friend to offer twice the going rate to test her. Never tell her you did this.
Two thousand RMB is more than enough to survive in a medium size city. In addition, most have roommates to share the cost. The problem is at least 80% of the girls send majority of their money back home. Note, most normal people in restaurants make only 900 to 1200 RMB to live off.
A WARNING:
On another forum, many of the guys feel there are the only guys the girl is seeing and sleeping, not true. The trurth, she will only be there as long as you have money. Once the money is gone, I will almost guarantee she will be gone. She went into the business as a working girl to get fast money.
There was an Internet cafe in Thailand or the Philippines. The owner of the cafe, logged some of the mails from the girl. He found out, most of the girls were sending e-mail to several guys with the same letter. Several guys were sending money to one girl. The girls were scamming the guys. I think ISG member Santa told me this story.
I think it is still possible to keep a working ktv girl around by calling her once a week and send her 1k-2k rmb once in a while (averge to about 1k a month) to keep her being your gf until your next visit. She may have other such bf but at least when you see her again, she would be very excited and happy to be with you again and the sex that much better, not to mention the calling will keep the relatinoship interesting. I have done this, but I would only do so with a ktv girl who has much lower mileage then other types.
Fillmore.
I agree that by sending her money, you will be sure that she will remember you. she will be happy to see you because she wants to keep the money coming however you are not going to get her to stop working for 1000rmb/month so if that doesn't bother you, then go ahead and do it.
After all, just because you are infatuated with her doesn't mean she is infatuated with you.
Ham Sap Lo
10-14-09, 06:44
I agree that by sending her money, you will be sure that she will remember you. she will be happy to see you because she wants to keep the money coming however you are not going to get her to stop working for 1000rmb/month so if that doesn't bother you, then go ahead and do it.
After all, just because you are infatuated with her doesn't mean she is infatuated with you.
I don't think anyone here would be foolish enough to assume that any money sent over would buy exclusivity. It would purely be to ensure a nice experience the next time, like giving a waitress a large tip if you plan on showing up again. Then again, if 1000 RMB a month is truly the market rate, and it would be 6 months before I see her again, sounds rather stupid to me. 6000 RMB would buy you 10 lays at a sauna. I think I'd rather bang 10 different women than get a slightly better lay with 1.
But hey, when you can't get it at all and the little head does all the thinking, it does crazy things to you, right?
By the way, to answer the question about the technicals of sending money, Western Union is really prevalent in China, at least around the bigger cities. I was playing around on their Chinese website the other day. The only problem is that your girl may not have heard of it (mine hadn't), and you'd have to use their search function to find a nearby location. But you should only need the recipient name and you choose a password. I think that would be a lot more discreet than a wire transfer.
Member #4144
10-14-09, 06:49
Fillmore,
how are you even transferring money to her? I mean if you do a wire transaction, i feel that it's too close to home, they sort of have information on where the money is coming from. If you do other types of western union, there sometimes is no guarantee that there is a place nearby for them to get the money.
I'm curious, aren't you all afraid of the financial tracks that you leave when doing these types of monetary transfers?
AsnDragon
There are many ways. I started out using western union but found that to be too much trouble for the girl and for me. The simplest thing is to setup a bank account in China. You deposite into that account by cash with an ATM so there is really no trace of tranctions. How do you otherwise have money to spend in China anyway? You will one way or another need an account in China that is completely secret anyway. Many Chinese banks nowadays can be controlled from a web interface to transfer money to other Chinese banks. Sure, there is a trace to your passport when openning such an account, but you can close that account anytime.
Fillmore.
I agree that by sending her money, you will be sure that she will remember you. she will be happy to see you because she wants to keep the money coming however you are not going to get her to stop working for 1000rmb/month so if that doesn't bother you, then go ahead and do it.
After all, just because you are infatuated with her doesn't mean she is infatuated with you.
Don't throw your money away on a hooker buddy. Spend that dough on airfare or on a chick where you live. I think there should be an amendment in our constitution that you cannot pay for pussy that you never get to see.
Don't throw your money away on a hooker buddy. Spend that dough on airfare or on a chick where you live. I think there should be an amendment in our constitution that you cannot pay for pussy that you never get to see.
If the guy can afford it, then it's no problem. 2000 RMB is nothing when you are rich. It's only 300 USD when many foreign executives in China make well over 100,000 USD a year. I am sure they have expense accounts for plane tickets, hotels, meals, which they don't have to pay for. Furthermore, 2000 RMB is nothing to the many rich and powerful men in China too. For the average Joe like you and me it's not possible, it's a lot of money. If I was a multi millionaire and powerful, for sure I do it.
Some guys have 2 to 3 wives. There are many females that are Mistress or second wives in China. You should read Zhuren post.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1627&page=2&pp=15
An article on the subject of second wife.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/li...ticle604618.ece
OldAsiaHand
10-14-09, 10:38
If the guy can afford it, then it's no problem. 2000 RMB is nothing when you are rich. It's only 300 USD when many foreign executives in China make well over 100,000 USD a year. Furthermore, 2000 RMB is nothing to the many rich and powerful men in China too. For the average Joe like you and me it's not possible, it's a lot of money. If I was a multi millionaire and powerful, for sure I do it.
Some guys have 2 to 3 wives. There are many females that are Mistress or second wives in China. You should read Zhuren post.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1627&page=2&pp=15
An article on the subject of second wife.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/li...ticle604618.ece
Weelock,
I disagree. It is not a matter of if you can afford it or not. There are just too many scamming girls. BTW, it was me that told you the story about Thailand. You have no exclusitivity when you are far away for long periods of time and cannot keep an eye on them. I used to do a girl in Shenzhen on weekdays in the apartment that a rich HK guy had bought for her. And, he came up every weekend. I know another similar case in Yantian by another respected senior member of this forum.
Just my POV.
OAH
Weelock,
I disagree. It is not a matter of if you can afford it or not. There are just too many scamming girls. BTW, it was me that told you the story about Thailand. You have no exclusitivity when you are far away for long periods of time and cannot keep an eye on them. I used to do a girl in Shenzhen on weekdays in the apartment that a rich HK guy had bought for her. And, he came up every weekend. I know another similar case in Yantian by another respected senior member of this forum.
Just my POV.
OAH
Sorry, I thought it was Santa. I also said be nice to her but never trust her. I found out many working girls will lie about anything. You need to test her to see if she is loyal to you. Ask a trusted friend to try to take her out. Even try to pay double.
When I find a girl that I like, after doing it first the time for a test drive, I usually do them several time. I have been asked by a few to be their girlfriend when they find out I'm single with no GF after getting to know them. A few even asked to to get married. I have to worry how sincere or honest they are with their proposal. If you are rich and powerful, this should not be a problem taking care of these girls or second wife.
Yes, I agree there are too many scamming girls.
Member #4144
10-14-09, 13:57
Weelock,
I disagree. It is not a matter of if you can afford it or not. There are just too many scamming girls. BTW, it was me that told you the story about Thailand. You have no exclusitivity when you are far away for long periods of time and cannot keep an eye on them. I used to do a girl in Shenzhen on weekdays in the apartment that a rich HK guy had bought for her. And, he came up every weekend. I know another similar case in Yantian by another respected senior member of this forum.
Just my POV.
OAH
I see no need to keep a second wife, or exclusivity, as that will be too expensive and too much trouble to think about if she is being faithful. I just need the girl to be there when I come to China and can come to my city and spend a few days with me and during that time, I know she is completely mine and I can take her to clubs and wine bars etc and the sex is much better when she actually trully enjoys it. There is no counting number of times, no time presure and no talk of money. Sure I will pay her at the end, but still, during the whole time, she feels completely like my gf.
SE Asia Joe
10-14-09, 14:10
Weelock,
I disagree. It is not a matter of if you can afford it or not. There are just too many scamming girls. BTW, it was me that told you the story about Thailand. You have no exclusitivity when you are far away for long periods of time and cannot keep an eye on them. I used to do a girl in Shenzhen on weekdays in the apartment that a rich HK guy had bought for her. And, he came up every weekend. I know another similar case in Yantian by another respected senior member of this forum.
Just my POV.
OAH
Take it from us guys here. Keeping a gal is actually quite hazardous to your financial, physical and mental health!
ESPECIALLY for anybody that is not going to be around her that much i.e. most of you guys from outside of Asia!
Financial - well, no need for me to expound any more on this.
Physical - boredom, out of sight out of mind.... boy friend to keep her entertained! What if it's a jealous BF?? Or one of those Ultra Nationalists who take it as a personal affront for any Chinese gals to consort with a foreigner.
Mental - Besides the obvious mental torture of never really knowing if the gal is really faithful/telling only the truth etc., there is the WORSE (IMHO) problem if you, her or worst of all, both of you really fall in deep and true love with each other!! What then??!!
Nahhhh.... too many pitfalls.... and for Ham Sap Lo - the road you are going, even contemplating on traveling on is the first step towards keeping the gal. Think about it first ...very carefully!
IMHO
SEAJ
If the guy can afford it, then it's no problem. 2000 RMB is nothing when you are rich. It's only 300 USD when many foreign executives in China make well over 100,000 USD a year. Furthermore, 2000 RMB is nothing to the many rich and powerful men in China too. For the average Joe like you and me it's not possible, it's a lot of money. If I was a multi millionaire and powerful, for sure I do it.
Some guys have 2 to 3 wives. There are many females that are Mistress or second wives in China. You should read Zhuren post.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1627&page=2&pp=15
An article on the subject of second wife.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/li...ticle604618.ece
The guy pining over the girl is not a rich old executive. I imagine too that the majority of mongers are not either. Anyway, surely a guy with tons of "disposable income" may dispose of it by enriching a hooker if he chooses. Paying for pussy that lives 5,000 miles away is definitely for the rich.
Meiguoguizi
10-14-09, 15:21
Paying for sexual access is not only rational, it is the reason that ISG exists.
Paying for affection or paying for fidelity is ineffective and innane.
Save your money for therapy.
Paying for sexual access is not only rational, it is the reason that ISG exists.
Paying for affection or paying for fidelity is ineffective and innane.
Save your money for therapy.
The voice of reason!
Sorry to beat a dead, boring horse, but just for the edification of my dear fellow pervert mongers who may sometimes have a "relationship" with a Chinese woman. Mine is in Monterey, CA. After a long absence, she told me she wanted a "serious relationship" "marriage and family" etc. although she did not need it, she is a divorcee who got her US citizenship already.
She emailed me a laundry list: she has ability to earn her own money, can take care of her parents, can bring her parents to be our neighbors, I help clean the house and cook, she can go back to China for long periods to do business e.g. 6 months (outside community property obviously), etc.
I replied: no leaving USA for over 30 days, no parents visiting longer than 30 days, no supporting parents, no parents becoming neighbors, no financial decisions made without my approval, no child ever raised by grandmother, first language and culture of child Amerian, etc.
I told her I saw the many examples of nasty Chinese meddling mothers, and I would send her evidence. I said that she is being told what to do by her parents, and I will never agree to people I have never met running my life, etc.
She eventually AGREED to all of my terms. "I see we have cultural differences, so I do not think we need to be married. Maybe I do not need to be married either." She said this with a laugh and a smile. Negotiations were over!
Boys, let this be a lesson. Never capitulate in these kinds of negotiations. I argued that under no circumstances does the person who adopts a country have the right to impose her cultural practice on the residents of that country. As an American, I will not become Chinese to suit a Chinese immigrant to the USA. Case closed.
Incidentally, the whole child discussion was purely hypothetical.This woman, like most Chinese, wants to have her money secure first, and isn't particulary interested in a baby yet.
Nighthawk55
10-15-09, 20:35
You deposite into that account by cash with an ATM so there is really no trace of tranctions.
Fillmore.Except for the video taken of you using the machine!
Red Rock II
10-16-09, 05:21
I just think it is a crazy idea to send money to a WG just because you like her and want her to be there for you the next time when you visit China. If she is still working at the same place the next time you visit china, she will still be there regardless whether you send her money or not. If she is going to get out of that business, 2000 RMB /month will not make a difference. If you send her money just to ensure a better service the next time when you visit her, it is like you give her a big tip without using the her service.
Trackster42
10-17-09, 01:17
Dash, Are you in love with her or is she just a good lay?
It sounds more like a business deal than a marriage or a relationship.
Good luck!
Dash, Are you in love with her or is she just a good lay?
It sounds more like a business deal than a marriage or a relationship.
Good luck!
I loved her, I was away to care for a sick parent who died. Around this time, the Chinese lady started to say she wanted to be married, have a family, etc. and that I would not be able to provide this to her. At the time I was very hurt. She later told me more exactly what she "required" in her marriage. Well, that was enough of this bullshit. And, the whole "business" part of the marriage was coming from her. I would not tolerate my wife giving our money to someone else, I would not tolerate my wife leaving for long periods, etc. Since she was the divorcee who fought so hard, I was a little afraid to not say exactly what I would require also. Marriage actually is a business in a way, so if you have a wife who wants to take "her money" to support her parents, then you can't marry this person. I also didn't want to have people meddling in our affairs. Listen, if a woman says she is interested more in her parents than in you, then she needs to go marry THEM.
Sorry to beat a dead, boring horse, but just for the edification of my dear fellow pervert mongers who may sometimes have a "relationship" with a Chinese woman. Mine is in Monterey, CA. After a long absence, she told me she wanted a "serious relationship" "marriage and family" etc. Although she did not need it, she is a divorcee who got her US citizenship already.This is the issue with many young gals. Besides supporting them, they expect you to support their families back home. Have you ever thought about seeking out a gal with money. There are many rich horny gals.
Early on in life, I find it easier to date rich gals than poor ones. This way you do not need to buy expensive presents to please their moods. They have everything. I just read an article that within the next ten years, the number of Chinese billionaires will exceed American billionaires.
Just a thought. That is why I prefer to go after the rich, lonely, unattended MILF than the greedy poorer one.
Just my two rmb on this.
OldAsiaHand
10-18-09, 08:22
I loved her, I was away to care for a sick parent who died. Around this time, the Chinese lady started to say she wanted to be married, have a family, etc. and that I would not be able to provide this to her. At the time I was very hurt. She later told me more exactly what she "required" in her marriage. Well, that was enough of this bullshit. And, the whole "business" part of the marriage was coming from her. I would not tolerate my wife giving our money to someone else, I would not tolerate my wife leaving for long periods, etc. Since she was the divorcee who fought so hard, I was a little afraid to not say exactly what I would require also. Marriage actually is a business in a way, so if you have a wife who wants to take "her money" to support her parents, then you can't marry this person. I also didn't want to have people meddling in our affairs. Listen, if a woman says she is interested more in her parents than in you, then she needs to go marry THEM.
Dash,
All of what you describe as her requirements are normal in Chinese marriage; and many other Asian cultures for that matter. Family is part of the deal.
Just my POV.
OAH
Dash,
All of what you describe as her requirements are normal in Chinese marriage; and many other Asian cultures for that matter. Family is part of the deal.
Just my POV.
OAH
OAH, I recognize her ideas were normal for her. I only explained to her the concept of "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." I reacted to her laundry list of "requirements" with a list of my own. So, they cancelled out. We shall see but I am being careful before I marry anyone in the great state of California.
This is the issue with many young gals. Besides supporting them, they expect you to support their families back home. Have you ever thought about seeking out a gal with money. There are many rich horny gals.
Early on in life, I find it easier to date rich gals than poor ones. This way you do not need to buy expensive presents to please their moods. They have everything. I just read an article that within the next ten years, the number of Chinese billionaires will exceed American billionaires.
Just a thought. That is why I prefer to go after the rich, lonely, unattended MILF than the greedy poorer one.
Just my two rmb on this.
I like this idea, I bet I'd need to be in China not Northern California to meet them. Now, if a lonely rich Chinese MILF ever went to San Francisco, I could arrange a visit, haha.
Clean Gene
10-18-09, 19:01
Dash,
All of what you describe as her requirements are normal in Chinese marriage; and many other Asian cultures for that matter. Family is part of the deal.
Just my POV.
OAH
A rich girl's family can 'buy' a son-in-law. A rich boy's family can 'buy' a daughter-in-law. This happens the world over in one way or another.
CG
I like this idea, I bet I'd need to be in China not Northern California to meet them. Now, if a lonely rich Chinese MILF ever went to San Francisco, I could arrange a visit, haha.
They are not far from you. Vancouver. I know if several loaded Chinese MILFs, some of them alleged virgins in their late 30s, who are in Vancouver looking after family money squirreled away to Canada. No US citizenship. But usually Canadian residency permit.
Just a thought. That is why I prefer to go after the rich, lonely, unattended MILF than the greedy poorer one.
Sounds like Chinese GigOlo, D U C K, eat old pussies, be good looking and a wimp.
I like this idea, I bet I'd need to be in China not Northern California to meet them. Now, if a lonely rich Chinese MILF ever went to San Francisco, I could arrange a visit, haha.
What is a gigOlo ?
A gigOlo is a man who loves everything about a woman. Of course he is there to care for her body, but just as important he is there with all his attention. A gigOlo is educated, knows about the world, is independent, is sexually experienced and understands what a woman needs. Not just sex, but romance, even if it is for just one night, there is connection, passion, fun, humour, trustworthiness, safety. A gigOlo will know how to use his own "tools" and other tools which will help him achieve his utmost goal: to fully satisfy his lady
You don't qualify Dash
sounds like chinese gigolo, eat old pussies, be good looking and a wimp.
what is a gigolo ?
a gigolo is a man who loves everything about a woman. of course he is there to care for her body, but just as important he is there with all his attention. a gigolo is educated, knows about the world, is independent, is sexually experienced and understands what a woman needs. not just sex, but romance, even if it is for just one night, there is connection, passion, fun, humour, trustworthiness, safety. a gigolo will know how to use his own "tools" and other tools which will help him achieve his utmost goal: to fully satisfy his lady
you don't qualify dash fran
"old pussy".. late 20's to mid 30's , is that too old for you. many asian female looks atleast 10 years younger than their western counterparts. if that is too old for you, maybe you are in the wrong forum. if you are seeking younger pussies like the ones under 18, i suggest you discuss your issues at another website. jackson do not tolerate ****s and most members here do not either.
as for calling me a gigolo, i do not ask the gals for money, they enjoy their time with me . if they want to shower me with presents that is their decision. maybe you need to pay for a girl to have sex with you, i very rarely need to take that route. maybe you ought to lose a few pounds and maybe see a plastic surgeon (to make some modification to your body and face) to increase your chances with females. take a few charm lesson and then you may be able to enjoy life.
please do not flame another member because you only wish to be in their persona.
i like this idea, i bet i'd need to be in china not northern california to meet them. now, if a lonely rich chinese milf ever went to san francisco, i could arrange a visit, haha.
sorry bnlee2, my comments were meant for dash. he has very little knowledge of china's customs, culture and politics. just read some of his posts in "cheap sex in china" and "china women and opinion" thread, just makes me so mad.
he likes this idea of screwing rich older females. he wrote this yesterday. i don't think he even knows what is a duck. he does not qualify being a duck but a dick.
btw i never wrote about **** stuff.
sorry bnlee2, my comments were meant for dash. he has very little knowledge of china's customs, culture and politics. just read some of his posts in "cheap sex in china" and "china women and opinion" thread, just makes me so mad.
he likes this idea of screwing rich older females. he wrote this yesterday. i don't think he even knows what is a duck. he does not qualify being a dick.
btw i never wrote about **** stuff.
fran,
you didn't read my posts, and i do know all about chinese customs. the point is that this chinese woman came to the usa, which has my customs. then, she wants to impose hers onto me. you can do what you want. as far as being a "duck", i don't aspire to be paid for fucking some older chinese lady, but i would always consider dating one if she was attractive and not a total controller. how did shanghai women gain their reputation all over asia anyway? why does my singapore chinese woman friend tell me that shanghai women are "militant"?
stop calling me names. are you a california resident who married someone who wants you to live with your in-laws that speak an unknown language to you? if you are, go right ahead and cut your balls off to please them.
in case you weren't aware, this site is about getting laid with women and you are here presumably because you like to do that. if you came to insult my culture or behavior, go somewhere else.
sorry bnlee2, my comments were meant for dash. he has very little knowledge of china's customs, culture and politics. just read some of his posts in "cheap sex in china" and "china women and opinion" thread, just makes me so mad.
he likes this idea of screwing rich older females. he wrote this yesterday. i don't think he even knows what is a duck. he does not qualify being a dick.
btw i never wrote about **** stuff.
to clarify, i do not like old pussy, but i don't consider 30's and 40's too old if this is an asian woman who has not lost her figure. if i'm such a dick, why did so many of the chinese women i met there exchange emails with me and some ask me to look for them and come back to china?
personally i like china and the scene and the people there. but, girls should not try to trade pussy for turning me into a pussy-whipped shanghai henpecked husband.
Dash, not to pour cold water on your thinking but you are not going to change the entire Chinese culture just because they move to the U.S.
Look at all the foreigners working and living in China. Do they act and live like the local Chinese just because they live there now?
Be careful, she might say what you want to hear just to please you. If you marry her, what are you going to do when you find out one day that her parents lives next door. What are your options then? If she has more money than you do, then it is great because CA is a no fault state so you can get money out of her but you are probably looking at a long, draw out fight on your hands.
Unless you can't live without her, I would just leave the relation.
Dash, not to pour cold water on your thinking but you are not going to change the entire Chinese culture just because they move to the U.S.
Look at all the foreigners working and living in China. Do they act and live like the local Chinese just because they live there now?
Be careful, she might say what you want to hear just to please you. If you marry her, what are you going to do when you find out one day that her parents lives next door. What are your options then? If she has more money than you do, then it is great because CA is a no fault state so you can get money out of her but you are probably looking at a long, draw out fight on your hands.
Unless you can't live without her, I would just leave the relation.
I agree with you, I cannot change what the Shanghai girl believes. I told her my family tradition and American customs are different from hers. She tried a Chinese guy in Shanghai. He lost his job, she supported him and he gambled away their nest egg. Guy #2 was a rich American old sick guy, she married him for security (money). He was worse. So, now she is working herself to death, 14 hour days for several months with no day off. She knew my mother died and left me money. Funny this was exactly when she made her demands and wrote a list of her "requirements". I posted them here before. I told her that I know of many horror stories of nasty Chinese mother-in-laws, and the concept of my future child being raised Chinese by a grandmother who cannot speak English is ridiculous. I do not give a rat's ass about her cultural beliefs, except when they coincide with logic and my own. Otherwise, she can go back and marry a Chinese who will treat her with the same respect men treat women in China, which is questionable. She wants to marry a successful American in California, well, there are people who pay for the privilege, but I am not conceited. I just grew up in New England and I sure understand holding my ground against female blackmail. Would I also marry someone who insisted on wearing a burkha in the street?
The Shanghai girl shot herself in the foot, her laundry list of demands ruined the impression of her in my mind. I told her she is incapable of making good financial decisions, so that these would be made by me, as well as no people living with us (30 day visit limit) etc, etc. For the time being, she agrees. I think she became desperate and used her old ways on me, too bad she doesn't know you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
I bumped into this comment:
"I even have a few shave their pu$$y smooth because that is how I prefer it, even though doing that in the Chinese society is a "no no" Hey, SEAJ, really, sometimes they do themselves. After your last lecture from you, I stop doing it, I just tell them my preference."
On my first sex date with the Shanghai woman, I went down on her. I asked her if she liked it? She said a lot.
"It will be easier for me to continue to eat your pussy if you shave it". Since that time, she shaved her pussy.
I had no idea that it was against her cultural norms. She always was smooth before she ever saw me after that. Once she was growing out a bit, and I complained. "It's because I have to see the doctor." She thought the GYN would think she was "bad" or something?
I always mention this to any new partner. I say "A woman not shaving her pussy is inconsiderate, it's like a guy having dirty underwear when he comes to see you, such a turnoff."
SE Asia Joe
10-19-09, 19:20
I bumped into this comment:
"I even have a few shave their pu$$y smooth because that is how I prefer it, even though doing that in the Chinese society is a "no no" Hey, SEAJ, really, sometimes they do themselves. After your last lecture from you, I stop doing it, I just tell them my preference."
On my first sex date with the Shanghai woman, I went down on her. I asked her if she liked it? She said a lot.
"It will be easier for me to continue to eat your pussy if you shave it". Since that time, she shaved her pussy.
I had no idea that it was against her cultural norms. She always was smooth before she ever saw me after that. Once she was growing out a bit, and I complained. "It's because I have to see the doctor." She thought the GYN would think she was "bad" or something?
I always mention this to any new partner. I say "A woman not shaving her pussy is inconsiderate, it's like a guy having dirty underwear when he comes to see you, such a turnoff."
Good God Dash - what are you going on about now?
OK - what I think I know, what I prefer, What I think most Chinese guys thinks, what I think most chinese gals thinks/like IMHO, Just my POV
- I HATE shaved pussies -they are an abomination as most times they've got knicks and cuts which harbour all sorts of nasties and of course exposes me to blood directly. On top of that, most times its like fucking a hedgehog with the stubbles (How many gals would shave every day? Before each session?)
- Most Chinese I think also have the same opinion. On top of that, to a Chinese, any gal who shaves herself is probably a sl*t/they're so damn bad that they need to shave themselves to be able to get these furreners who prefer shaved pussies. For sure I'd say that a great majority of Chinese guys would be turned off by shaved pussies. In fact, I stopped doing much mongering in Thailand/P.I. becasue I was running into so many of these plucked chickens down there. Total turn off
- I personally prefer white tigers - naturally hairless pussy which one does find in Chinese/Asian gals - beautiful, smooth, fragrant - PERFECT!
- But most Chinese guys will steer clear off White Tigers as they are considered bad luck - will give you bad luck for years if you ever do one.
- Most chinese guys will NOT go down on gals - it's way beneath their dignity to have to service a gal and it's just too damn nasty!
- Me, I wouldn't go down on a lot of gals - but those I like, have done my best to check out is in my opinion clean, is one of my regulars - yup, I would go down. But even here, lots of gals are very reluctant to even allow me to do so at first as they consider this act as being too vulgar and dirty.
- But once they do "open up"...... and knowing that she ain't gonna meet up with too damn many more Chinese guys who will go down on her..... competiton eliminated... mine for life... Yeah!
- The above being the case, I would think that MOST Chinese gals have never had anybody go down on thembut once they loosen up, and try it, they're truly hooked! Best thing since sliced bread as their western sisters have found out much earlier. But here, I must also give my POV - these damn Western/Westernized gals are so fuckin spoilt by you guys that they seem to always EXPECT to be licked -as if you must go down on them! Fucking women Libbers!
- And if your GF's gynecologist is Chinese - of course he will think she is a sl*t when he sees that she shaved herself.
Just IMHO, my POV - you guys who don't agree - wellllll...... to hell with you!!! Muahahaha!!
SEAJ
Joe,
I'm in total support of your tastes, habits, desires, beliefs. See, I support everyone's rights here.
But...you are as picky as I am it seems. The Shanghai woman DOES shave her pussy before she sees me, and since it was not a daily event, she could do so. I think that Asian pussies often are easy enough to shave because their pubic hair is thin or soft anyway. I hate stubble too.
I too believe a girl who has a shaved pussy the first time I meet her may be a bit worldly compared to one who does not. But, I never thought to hold it against her.
I have different habits about going down on girls, hookers may frighten me, but I was talking about girls I date. I like going down on girls for my own perverted desires, if the girl enjoys it too, all the better.
Shit, if I could find exclusively Asian girls I'd go down on them until the cows came home.
My worst nightmare happened to me last year. I was in a strange town, someone introduced me to a horny divorcee, she was heavy, Jewish, and when we went at it, she took off her pants and had NO panties on, and I was presented with a fairly huge, slightly nasty bush with RED hair and man, was I thinking of running. What did I do? I gritted my teeth, toughed it out, ate, fucked and ran. Sometimes we have to "take one for the team."
I forgot to mention. I hope someday someone creates a database of those dreaded "unlucky white tigers", I would gladly venture where normal men fear to tread! I can handle the bad luck.
Wait! I can tell the Shanghai girl someday she is not perfect, that I am actually seeking a rare, elusive "white tiger". Will she know what I am talking about?
Have you ever gone down on a big black chick? Now, that's "fear factor" balls for the truly brave men out there. After that, you can better handle her breaking your bones as she wrestles you into submission.
Oh, I'm too far off the subject of Chinese chicks. Shit, I will have to settle for some Mexican strange next month. Well, some of them have soft hair but you are at the mercy of the luck of the draw.
Trackster42
10-20-09, 05:02
The Shanghai girl shot herself in the foot, her laundry list of demands ruined the impression of her in my mind. I told her she is incapable of making good financial decisions, so that these would be made by me, as well as no people living with us (30 day visit limit) etc, etc. For the time being, she agrees. I think she became desperate and used her old ways on me, too bad she doesn't know you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar.Dash,
In regards to the "Shanghai woman," those written demands you have for each other are just not a good way to start a relationship. Regardless of whose demands are more reasonable, anyone can see that your relationship is doomed to fail. It's clear that you two are not meant for each other, so it is a good thing that you have both decided to "move on."
OldAsiaHand
10-20-09, 05:13
Dash,
If you are not willing to compromise, you should never marry a Chinese woman, or any Asian woman, for that matter.
You appear to be very stuck in your ways and insist that your wife should change to agree with you completely.
As I posted before, you would both be miserable in a relationship.
People have cultural backgrounds regardless of where they live. They were brought up with them. An intercultural marriage takes "give and take".
I speak from experience.
Just my POV.
OAH
Dash,
If you are not willing to compromise, you should never marry a Chinese woman, or any Asian woman, for that matter.
You appear to be very stuck in your ways and insist that your wife should change to agree with you completely.
As I posted before, you would both be miserable in a relationship.
People have cultural backgrounds regardless of where they live. They were brought up with them. An intercultural marriage takes "give and take".
I speak from experience.
Just my POV.
OAH
I completely agree with most of your post. I will say only that I do not insist that my potential *immigrant foreign wife* change. She of course is entitled to her own ways, as a single woman. I do compromise. I listen to her baloney about "luck" and "healthy habits" "natural medicine". I pardon her ignorance of China invading Tibet, and other horseshit she was taught. I eat anything she ever cooks for me, even though she seems to love tendons and skin more than meat. She cannot have life both ways. If she wants to be a tough negotiator, be out in the world alone, fighting her way through life, then she can try to get someone to accept her "requirements". If she wants me to commit to marriage, which I doubt now, she will be like an Asian woman: subservient to me, not busting my balls before we even get started.
SE Asia Joe
10-20-09, 05:42
dash,
if you are not willing to compromise, you should never marry a chinese woman, or any asian woman, for that matter.
you appear to be very stuck in your ways and insist that your wife should change to agree with you completely.
as i posted before, you would both be miserable in a relationship.
people have cultural backgrounds regardless of where they live. they were brought up with them. an intercultural marriage takes "give and take".
i speak from experience.
just my pov.
oah
i was thinking the same thing - that dash, you've really got your strong "d'ruthers" dontcha?
seems to me that you are at present in a very good place as a single guy - and that you're right now "discovering" quite a bit more of life's little pleasures. you've stumbled on what you perceive is a great gal, got all infatuated (perhaps at her very skillful urging!) and thinking of going with the flow. now, the following is of course just another one of my imho's and if i'm off base, wellllll... i'm off base. no probs!
something basic to yourself though, is showing you an amber if not red light - and it's great that you've been able to come up with such warning signals yourself. you've come to this board to see if other guys share your caution and perhaps help you understand better your mixed emotions.
ok - the way i look at it, you've really just started on the possibilities in your own life; that you've only tasted the preliminaries in what i - and perhaps you - can see as a whole banquet coming up. but hey, you've just eaten the greatest appetizer in your whole life and you now are contemplating to eat just this one appetizer for the rest of your life..... but want to do so using your knife and forks and not chopsticks - and certainly not using your bare hands, at your leisure, at your own timing, at your price, accompanied by your choice of wine, at your.....everything.
only problem is that this little morsel has its own demands and requirements. this appetizer is shanghai crab which can only be eaten by hand and savored slowly accompanied by shanghai rice wine.
2 choices - go with the flow and compromise like insist on using plastic gloves to eat it, or even have it already peeled and separated and made into another dish. but is this what you really want? it's become another dish!
second choice - go on with what you're doing all along, discover new appetizers and main courses and desserts - and after you''ve had your fill - and only then - think which dish you want as your staple diet. after all, you're having a great time right now just sitting down at the banquet table - why leave so early? hell, you may want to spend the rest of your life savoring every little banquet that comes up instead of just sticking to one dish!
whaddya think?
seaj
SE Asia Joe
10-20-09, 05:57
I forgot to mention. I hope someday someone creates a database of those dreaded "unlucky white tigers", I would gladly venture where normal men fear to tread! I can handle the bad luck.
Wait! I can tell the Shanghai girl someday she is not perfect, that I am actually seeking a rare, elusive "white tiger". Will she know what I am talking about?
Have you ever gone down on a big black chick? Now, that's "fear factor" balls for the truly brave men out there. After that, you can better handle her breaking your bones as she wrestles you into submission.
Oh, I'm too far off the subject of Chinese chicks. Shit, I will have to settle for some Mexican strange next month. Well, some of them have soft hair but you are at the mercy of the luck of the draw.
I've got a small data base - but it's ONLY available to myself and to those who contributes to the list with their own REAL White Tigers! Photos required!
As far as going down on Black Chicks - actually the one and only black chick I had was eons ago when I was 18..... and she was 16 working as a chamber maid at the motel I was staying at in Central Florida. (God - how the hell did I end up staying there??!). A slim, vivacious and very pretty gal I thought at that time. And I was just truly amazed at how different her pussy was - with all that very curly hair around it, very black outside and very pinkish white when separated. And yes, of course I did go down on her - when I found out that the only other guy she'd been with is her at that time steady boyfriend. It's nice memories those 2 weeks long long ago!
Nowadays though, I truly find it abhorrent that just about any Western/westernized gal I do usually have mutilated themselves by shaving AND then practically insist that I have to go down on her. The hell I say - going down or not is the perogative of the MALE - and it's a privilege for them dang females - not something that is a duty for guys.
And I say the hell with these gals!!
Muahaha
SEAJ
Ham Sap Lo
10-20-09, 18:05
So the sauna chick I was talking to on QQ has started to ignore me, after only 3 weeks. It's not like I was too overbearing either, just a quick "are you there" every few days. This made me appreciate the wisdom of all the long-term veterans on this board, who predicted this would happen.
I don't get it. I keep reading posts on ISG about girls trying to pursue you (not the other way around) because of the possibility of work or money! I'm annoyed, not because I'm looking for love or anything, but because my "hit rate" at saunas is only about 1 in 5. It's only about that often that I find a gem really slutty enough to act like a porn star, provide top notch service, etc. Every time I go to China I have limited time, and I want to max out the high-quality fucks while I'm there. It always takes a lot of shopping to find a good one and now it's back to square one!!
i was thinking the same thing - that dash, you've really got your strong "d'ruthers" dontcha?
seems to me that you are at present in a very good place as a single guy - and that you're right now "discovering" quite a bit more of life's little pleasures. you've stumbled on what you perceive is a great gal, got all infatuated (perhaps at her very skillful urging!) and thinking of going with the flow. now, the following is of course just another one of my imho's and if i'm off base, wellllll... i'm off base. no probs!
something basic to yourself though, is showing you an amber if not red light - and it's great that you've been able to come up with such warning signals yourself. you've come to this board to see if other guys share your caution and perhaps help you understand better your mixed emotions.
ok - the way i look at it, you've really just started on the possibilities in your own life; that you've only tasted the preliminaries in what i - and perhaps you - can see as a whole banquet coming up. but hey, you've just eaten the greatest appetizer in your whole life and you now are contemplating to eat just this one appetizer for the rest of your life..... but want to do so using your knife and forks and not chopsticks - and certainly not using your bare hands, at your leisure, at your own timing, at your price, accompanied by your choice of wine, at your.....everything.
only problem is that this little morsel has its own demands and requirements. this appetizer is shanghai crab which can only be eaten by hand and savored slowly accompanied by shanghai rice wine.
2 choices - go with the flow and compromise like insist on using plastic gloves to eat it, or even have it already peeled and separated and made into another dish. but is this what you really want? it's become another dish!
second choice - go on with what you're doing all along, discover new appetizers and main courses and desserts - and after you''ve had your fill - and only then - think which dish you want as your staple diet. after all, you're having a great time right now just sitting down at the banquet table - why leave so early? hell, you may want to spend the rest of your life savoring every little banquet that comes up instead of just sticking to one dish!
whaddya think?
seaj
i think it's going to be necessary for me to keep my own head and not crumble to the pressure put onto me. shanghai lil gave me a lot of shit at a difficult time, so i was not generous when i replied to her laundry list of "requirements". i guess i was thinking that constantly hunting for more varied strange means i spend lots of time in between being bored and wishing for a partner. the cure is probably a road trip to mexico. in near future i hope to know how things are going with shanghai lil. if i went to mexico immediately, she'd think i was a jerk. say, can i ask for my hairy crab "shaved" before i eat it? haha.
So the sauna chick I was talking to on QQ has started to ignore me, after only 3 weeks. It's not like I was too overbearing either, just a quick "are you there" every few days. This made me appreciate the wisdom of all the long-term veterans on this board, who predicted this would happen.
I don't get it. I keep reading posts on ISG about girls trying to pursue you (not the other way around) because of the possibility of work or money! I'm annoyed, not because I'm looking for love or anything, but because my "hit rate" at saunas is only about 1 in 5. It's only about that often that I find a gem really slutty enough to act like a porn star, provide top notch service, etc. Every time I go to China I have limited time, and I want to max out the high-quality fucks while I'm there. It always takes a lot of shopping to find a good one and now it's back to square one!!
Sauna chick may like you, and wants to protect herself from hurting. Imagine the stress of her lousy job? Or, she realizes reality is you cannot save her now. Either way, you met under crummy circumstances, so it's very hard to change the ultimate result. What if she actually became someone's partner? Would she want him to know she was once a hooker? I doubt it.
she will be like an Asian woman: subservient to me, not busting my balls before we even get started.
Wow, an asian woman subservient? Now who is the naive one, aiye?
So the sauna chick I was talking to on QQ has started to ignore me, after only 3 weeks. This made me appreciate the wisdom of all the long-term veterans on this board, who predicted this would happen.
Not to be an arse, but send her a "I'll give you 500 rmb" message and you'll get her attention within the day.
My hit rate is roughly 1 in 4. 1 awesome, 2 ok, and 1 bad/terrible. The key is to enjoy yourself and take the good with the bad. It's really hard to judge a person/service just by looking at her face/body/smile/etc.
SE Asia Joe
10-21-09, 06:11
Not to be an arse, but send her a "I'll give you 500 rmb" message and you'll get her attention within the day.
My hit rate is roughly 1 in 4. 1 awesome, 2 ok, and 1 bad/terrible. The key is to enjoy yourself and take the good with the bad. It's really hard to judge a person/service just by looking at her face/body/smile/etc.
RMB 500 huh?
Do smaller amounts work the same magic??
You ever try smaller amounts?
Even as low as RMB 100?
SEAJ
Lustforthrust
10-21-09, 15:34
I would think that MOST Chinese gals have never had anybody go down on them..
Most Chinese gals who have come of age during and after the late 90s, expect it.
SE Asia Joe
10-21-09, 15:56
Most Chinese gals who have come of age during and after the late 90s, expect it.
Hong Kong girls - yes,
Taiwanese Girls - yes
Perhaps even Gals living in Shanghai/major Chinese cities who has regular interaction with more westerners/western modes - some yes!
But the MAJORITY of Chinese women - even those who come of age during and after the late 90's - IMHO has NOT had anybody go down on them.
I stand by my statement that "I would think that MOST Chinese gals have never had anybody go down on them"
Just an observation and not a flame or anything - but the very fact that the gals you've had - did agree to be with a Westerner categorizes the kind of gals in your sample.
SEAJ
Hong Kong girls - yes,
Taiwanese Girls - yes
Perhaps even Gals living in Shanghai/major Chinese cities who has regular interaction with more westerners/western modes - some yes!
But the MAJORITY of Chinese women - even those who come of age during and after the late 90's - IMHO has NOT had anybody go down on them.
I stand by my statement that "I would think that MOST Chinese gals have never had anybody go down on them"
Just an observation and not a flame or anything - but the very fact that the gals you've had - did agree to be with a Westerner categorizes the kind of gals in your sample.
SEAJ
Chinese girls wherever they live are not much into oral sex either a blow job or DIY. Even the regular girlfriends I had in china did not like it and many times they push me away. Maybe something wrong in my technique. Some girls came right out and said it is dirty to do such things. They like regular sex in different positions.
This includes even the girls who are 18-21. Sometimes they let you do it because they do not want to be rude and think we enjoy it. I think it is mainly due to their isolation from the rest of the world sexual practises
Yeah, what happens when you send a nightmarket girl 100 rmb?
Not to be an arse, but send her a "I'll give you 500 rmb" message and you'll get her attention within the day.
My hit rate is roughly 1 in 4. 1 awesome, 2 ok, and 1 bad/terrible. The key is to enjoy yourself and take the good with the bad. It's really hard to judge a person/service just by looking at her face/body/smile/etc.
Lustforthrust
10-21-09, 17:39
Maybe something wrong in my technique. Maybe you're onto something there, dude ;)
In my experience there's reluctance to blow you (doesn't apply to hookers) but oral sex is on the menu.
There was a survey which indicated that HK women expected a hard-on from their men in under 5 minutes. Ofcourse there's no foreplay (typically, HKers heads are filled with 1 thing - digits), no blowjob but they expect the guy not to get bored after 1 year, maybe 5.
Survey was from the Health Dept.'s ED study so these were likely to be in the 40+ age group.
There must be a good % of lesbians in China.
SE Asia Joe
10-22-09, 03:14
Maybe you're onto something there, dude ;)
In my experience there's reluctance to blow you (doesn't apply to hookers) but oral sex is on the menu.
There was a survey which indicated that HK women expected a hard-on from their men in under 5 minutes. Ofcourse there's no foreplay (typically, HKers heads are filled with 1 thing - digits), no blowjob but they expect the guy not to get bored after 1 year, maybe 5.
Survey was from the Health Dept.'s ED study so these were likely to be in the 40+ age group.
There must be a good % of lesbians in China.
That's what great about this forum!
We CAN agree to disagree!
After all, I would think that most sex studies and surveys and scientific research are just THAT! Things which those who don't do (and perhaps.... just perhaps... aspire to!) instead put up rambling,complicated, jargon filled reports based firstly on their own over-active, and fantasy filled imagination!
Ciao
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
10-26-09, 05:15
I almost never go down on a WG, but nearly always on freebies in China. Of the freebies, I would also say that the majority of them, either never had it or do not want it for some psychological reason. That said, once they get over the mental hurdle, they really enjoy it.
Just my POV.
OAH
Offhand, the only freebies that I can recall who didn't initially resist daty were those who had been out of the country or had previously had western boyfriends.
I had a fairly long-term relationship that did pretty much everything imaginable in the bedroom and, despite enjoying it, never got over her hang-up about having me go down on her.
Lustforthrust
10-26-09, 08:08
If I don't daty a Chinese chic she'll think I'm a mope. This ofcourse excludes hookers whom I will never kiss and never daty.
As I have mentioned earlier, on some, I don't want to. These are the one's that have grey pubic hair (30 year olds have this, too much stress?), the one's whose legs look like 12 year old boys' and some others.
You'd be surprised much how porn they watch.
Lustforthurst,
Yes I have DATY girls before. They generally don't like it from an old many like me. But i must admit, I have DATY a WG before, on a few occasions. Pretty risky stuff. However, how do you really know that the girls you encounter and DATY do not have anything dirty, or anything dirtier than a WG?
That's the myth that people seem to have, that casual encounters with a girl or relationships with a GF is any cleaner than a WG. I mean a WG usually, not all, take precautions to put on a rubber hat. However, I could be in Beijing or any big city, pick up a regular girl, who is sexually irresponsible. They could have had dozens of unprotected sex with her previous boyfriends who are dirty. Does this not mean that they are potentially dirtier than a WG? There's this false assumption that Non-working girls are any cleaner than a WG. I think all brothers have to take that into account when doing bareback with "girlfriends" you think are clean or casual encounters at a bar with supposed "Non-working" girls. This includes DATY as well- as there is NO cure for herpes, just medicine to calm it down from not flaring up!
As a side note, I've seen WG have less sex than Non-working girls. Strange..but life is full of ironies.
AsnDragon
If I don't daty a Chinese chic she'll think I'm a mope. This ofcourse excludes hookers whom I will never kiss and never daty.
As I have mentioned earlier, on some, I don't want to. These are the one's that have grey pubic hair (30 year olds have this, too much stress?), the one's whose legs look like 12 year old boys' and some others.
You'd be surprised much how porn they watch.
I wanted to add my 2cents worth about what most Chinese ladies will do and not do based on my 3 years living in China.
First I agree with previous reports that most young and old woman have not have their husband or bf go "down" on them.
Many will try giving oral sex but not expect it. And think it is not very "clean" if the guy goes down on her. Secondly, tasting the sperm is a hard concept for them to accept.
You have to be patient and work on it.
I had a 23 year old Chinese student GF and she did not want to drink it nor like if I went south. She pull me back up and say no! She was only comfortable with doggy style and missionary.
My good friend age 22 had his 20 college Gf go down on him and he had to be a "coach" pushing her "don't stop your doing fine! '
Experiences of younger woman. Yes, more now have lost their virginity. Any woman with a look of 6 and higher has probably lost her virginity by the age of 23/24.
They are looking to marry at age 24/25 and have their kid at age 26. That is the traditional thinking.
Yes, easier to find more open minded woman in Beijing, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Shangshai than other cities with fewer foreigners.
Yes, you can get the suana girl for bath and handjob for 150rmb.
The good looking KTV girls costing you 700 rmb over night.
Not easy to find a regular GF because of the following reasons:
1. If you are over 50.
2. Language barrier for her not just you.
3. Outside the major cities people still look down at the girl who is with the foreigner.
4. Worry you are playboy with STDs.
5. One day you will up and dump her going back to your country.
If you are young. Age 20 to 40 you have a good chance to catch a girl and if you have money. Businessman your chances are great.
Great way to catch the girl is offer her help to learn English.
I'll stop here. Getting too long
Lustforthrust
10-28-09, 06:14
asian dragon,
you are right, there's no telling which of the 2 is "cleaner".
however, all sex as you know, is in the brain. (that is why some are attracted to bbw, others to "meatless bones", others to somewhere in between and ofcourse there are the faggots, the swingers, the paedophiles, the necrophiles, the sadists, the masochists, the gangbangers, those into bestiality, the poopers, the fisters, the pushers, the watchers, etc.)
to some brains daty on a hooker is repulsive and to others it is not. that's all!
SE Asia Joe
10-29-09, 06:32
Lustforthurst,
Yes I have DATY girls before. They generally don't like it from an old many like me. But i must admit, I have DATY a WG before, on a few occasions. Pretty risky stuff. However, how do you really know that the girls you encounter and DATY do not have anything dirty, or anything dirtier than a WG?
That's the myth that people seem to have, that casual encounters with a girl or relationships with a GF is any cleaner than a WG. I mean a WG usually, not all, take precautions to put on a rubber hat. However, I could be in Beijing or any big city, pick up a regular girl, who is sexually irresponsible. They could have had dozens of unprotected sex with her previous boyfriends who are dirty. Does this not mean that they are potentially dirtier than a WG? There's this false assumption that Non-working girls are any cleaner than a WG. I think all brothers have to take that into account when doing bareback with "girlfriends" you think are clean or casual encounters at a bar with supposed "Non-working" girls. This includes DATY as well- as there is NO cure for herpes, just medicine to calm it down from not flaring up!
As a side note, I've seen WG have less sex than Non-working girls. Strange..but life is full of ironies.
AsnDragon
So...... going by your logic, I guess I oughta just quit DATY'ing ALL the gals - WG as well as non WG's!
Or.... perhaps I should reverse it and just go ahead and DATY all of 'em!!
Damn.... choices, choices!!
SEAJ
Ps. Which gals taste better??!! Muahahah!!
OldAsiaHand
10-29-09, 10:30
I mean a WG usually, not all, take precautions to put on a rubber hat.
AsnDragon,
I am not sure we can assume that most WG usually use a condom. I think you would be surprised how many do not insist on it and how many punters go bareback.
How many times have you been with a WG that asked politely if you want to use a rubber or not? How many times have you had to stop a WG from hopping on without the condom in order to cover up? How many times have you asked a WG that asks for a condom for BB and they agreed right away even if you intended to use a condom anyway?
I think the BB numbers are much higher than we believe and I do not think that WGs are going to tell us the truth about it.
Just my POV.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
10-29-09, 11:16
AsnDragon,
I am not sure we can assume that most WG usually use a condom. I think you would be surprised how many do not insist on it and how many punters go bareback.
How many times have you been with a WG that asked politely if you want to use a rubber or not? How many times have you had to stop a WG from hopping on without the condom in order to cover up? How many times have you asked a WG that asks for a condom for BB and they agreed right away even if you intended to use a condom anyway?
I think the BB numbers are much higher than we believe and I do not think that WGs are going to tell us the truth about it.
Just my POV.
OAHIMHO and very humble ones too, the degree of insistence on condom usage is quite related to the type of customers the gal/venue generally gets.
Places where the clients are mostly from Hong Kong, Taiwan and other overseas destinations, the gals are more likely to insist on condom usage. CP is of course one such place where some gals tells me that they've actually never had a local guy as a client!! True!! At least that's what they tell me!! And don't tell me that these SYT's would ever lie!! To me!! Impossible!!
Places where the majority of clients are locals - that's where condom usage is spotty - as the local mongers will usually INSIST on non-usage; and they can be quite demanding on this score - whilst most guys with exposure to Western thinking/more enlightened about safe sex practices will instead be the ones who insist on being well covered!! (chicken-shits!!)
Just IMHO!!
SEAJ
SEAJoe,
Which gals taste better? Well that is based on personal preferences. But I think you and I are fighting for the same type of girls to DATY:
1. Natural White Tiger (or close to it)
2. A kitty kat that has no smell, no white, green or red excretion, nor any signs of sores.
AsnDragon
So...... going by your logic, I guess I oughta just quit DATY'ing ALL the gals - WG as well as non WG's!
Or.... perhaps I should reverse it and just go ahead and DATY all of 'em!!
Damn.... choices, choices!!
SEAJ
Ps. Which gals taste better??!! Muahahah!!
SEAJoe,
Which gals taste better? Well that is based on personal preferences. But I think you and I are fighting for the same type of girls to DATY:
1. Natural White Tiger (or close to it)
2. A kitty kat that has no smell, no white, green or red excretion, nor any signs of sores.
AsnDragon
This one tasted damn good. Not a white tiger but very close. At the time I took the photo she was 39
ES
This one tasted damn good. Not a white tiger but very close. At the time I took the photo she was 39
ESLooks like a fresh oyster to me! One might want to squeeze some lemon juice on it.
Levitian
Eaglestar,
Wow those pictures were amazing. Was she a freebie as well? For her age, that is a pretty close white tiger. Sure she's got some hair, but not like the hairy bushes I usually see in the BBS.
My question is why some girls, no matter how much they clean or scrub down there just has a bad smell. I mean, is it their diet? or just simple genetics?
Wonder if there's a formula to neutralize that smell down there. Sometimes not even DATY-ing a girl, just doing her missionary i can smell her foul scent down there that permeates throughout the whole entire room. I almost threw up once during a session, that's how bad it was.
AsnDragon
This one tasted damn good. Not a white tiger but very close. At the time I took the photo she was 39
ES
Lustforthrust
10-31-09, 06:14
My question is why some girls, no matter how much they clean or scrub down there just has a bad smell. I mean, is it their diet? or just simple genetics?
Wonder if there's a formula to neutralize that smell down there. Sometimes not even DATY-ing a girl, just doing her missionary i can smell her foul scent down there that permeates throughout the whole entire room. I almost threw up once during a session, that's how bad it was.
A range of factors from the weather, the fabric-softner used to wash their underwear, UTI and ofcourse how much water they drink.
Most people drink water when/because they are thirsty and only if a cold pop or beer is unavailable.
SE Asia Joe
10-31-09, 06:26
A range of factors from the weather, the fabric-softner used to wash their underwear, UTI and ofcourse how much water they drink.
Most people drink water when/because they are thirsty.
Yes - but I'd betcha its got more to do with STD's - like Chlamydia (quite common a do make them stink bad), gonorrhea,chlamydia, Trichomonas vaginalis, syphilis etc.
Some gals also have just bad smelling "common" germs (B.O.) on their arm pit and genital areas - and those can be cured by just a simple application of alcohol twice a day for a few days.
Again - physicians here - please chime in. thanks
SEAJ
Lustforthrust
10-31-09, 06:47
Women are very conscious of odor and will use all their womanly (manipulative) charm to stop/deter you from licking her. Essentially, it is what they can't smell (or rather don't find unpleasant) and you can.
On a related note, I was flicking through chanels and caught the tail-end of a commercial on Chinese (HK) TV. It showed a girl sitting on a park-bench and butterflies, flowers, candy & love signs flying (animated) out of her crotch. My guess is someone is marketing pantyliners or whatever with the "smell" theme.
I have eaten every Asian female I have ever had the chance to, since you never know when the opportunity will arise. The Shanghai girl gave me blow jobs all over the place, she was a real sport about it. She would let me park somewhere for a quick bj before we went to a movie, etc. She also let me come in her mouth every time I fucked her, sometimes she would let it dribble out and she spread it onto her tits while she laughed. Pretty cool. I was convinced she had watched porno or had read some shit on a Chinese website about how to be sexy and please a man. I mean, how did she know about tickling me near my asshole while she blew me? She definitely liked me going down on her and she once reminded me that I had "forgotten" to perform that little service on her. A few rare girls have not wanted me to go down on them, and by odd coincidence, they were slightly unappealing for some reason. Why some girls have a nasty pussy is a mystery of life. What a drag for them and for us too.
The response will vary from girl to girl. And so will the tastes. Diet makes a big difference. Kim chi (Korean girls) makes the best tasting pussy. Don't let them shove something up there to make it taste better. The first time you eat a Chinese girl you will be able to tell considerable about her. How she moves her hips, some just lay there but they will grab your hands and squeeze them. Others grab your hair and move your head. What you do with your tongue and the movements you make with it are also important. Some buck a lot. The sex is always better after they have been eaten. At least that has been my experience.
I have eaten every Asian female I have ever had the chance to, since you never know when the opportunity will arise. The Shanghai girl gave me blow jobs all over the place, she was a real sport about it. She would let me park somewhere for a quick bj before we went to a movie, etc. She also let me come in her mouth every time I fucked her, sometimes she would let it dribble out and she spread it onto her tits while she laughed. Pretty cool. I was convinced she had watched porno or had read some shit on a Chinese website about how to be sexy and please a man. I mean, how did she know about tickling me near my asshole while she blew me? She definitely liked me going down on her and she once reminded me that I had "forgotten" to perform that little service on her. A few rare girls have not wanted me to go down on them, and by odd coincidence, they were slightly unappealing for some reason. Why some girls have a nasty pussy is a mystery of life. What a drag for them and for us too.
Loveasiangirls
10-31-09, 16:41
I wanted to add my 2cents worth about what most Chinese ladies will do and not do based on my 3 years living in China.
First I agree with previous reports that most young and old woman have not have their husband or bf go "down" on them.
Many will try giving oral sex but not expect it. And think it is not very "clean" if the guy goes down on her. Secondly, tasting the sperm is a hard concept for them to accept.
You have to be patient and work on it.
I had a 23 year old Chinese student GF and she did not want to drink it nor like if I went south. She pull me back up and say no! She was only comfortable with doggy style and missionary.
My good friend age 22 had his 20 college Gf go down on him and he had to be a "coach" pushing her "don't stop your doing fine! '
Experiences of younger woman. Yes, more now have lost their virginity. Any woman with a look of 6 and higher has probably lost her virginity by the age of 23/24.
They are looking to marry at age 24/25 and have their kid at age 26. That is the traditional thinking.
Yes, easier to find more open minded woman in Beijing, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Shangshai than other cities with fewer foreigners.
Yes, you can get the suana girl for bath and handjob for 150rmb.
The good looking KTV girls costing you 700 rmb over night.
Not easy to find a regular GF because of the following reasons:
1. If you are over 50.
2. Language barrier for her not just you.
3. Outside the major cities people still look down at the girl who is with the foreigner.
4. Worry you are playboy with STDs.
5. One day you will up and dump her going back to your country.
If you are young. Age 20 to 40 you have a good chance to catch a girl and if you have money. Businessman your chances are great.
Great way to catch the girl is offer her help to learn English.
I'll stop here. Getting too long
I somewhat disagree. Age is not a big factor in China. I am nearly mid-50s and have no problems getting any gf under 35 even below 30. I am talking well educated girls, some of which have studied abroad. Obviously it helps if you look good, not so old and not too overweight. Getting a GF in Beijing any ways for a foreigner is the easiest place in the world. Nothing close to kind of possibility this in North America.
Again - physicians here - please chime in. thanks
SEAJType of panties, especially synthetic ones, play a role. Natural fibers, cotton mostly, help with keeping the really stinky bacteria at bay. Most bacteria love warm, damp, dark. Not much you can do about lighting down there but keeping it dry really helps.
The response will vary from girl to girl. And so will the tastes. Diet makes a big difference. Kim chi (Korean girls) makes the best tasting pussy. Don't let them shove something up there to make it taste better. The first time you eat a Chinese girl you will be able to tell considerable about her. How she moves her hips, some just lay there but they will grab your hands and squeeze them. Others grab your hair and move your head. What you do with your tongue and the movements you make with it are also important. Some buck a lot. The sex is always better after they have been eaten. At least that has been my experience.
This post made me think of something. If a chick eats Kim Chi, I think I would *rather eat her pussy* than kiss her mouth anyway, haha. But, Korean chicks I have seen are very hot looking, I have only fucked two, but they don't really count because they were adopted and so were American. My worst experience was a stupid girl who took a bubble bath, shaved her box and then I went down on her and choked on the fucking BABY POWDER she sprinkled around there, shit! Neverending bullshit to contend with, but that's the price of pussy.
The response will vary from girl to girl. And so will the tastes. Diet makes a big difference. Kim chi (Korean girls) makes the best tasting pussy. Don't let them shove something up there to make it taste better. The first time you eat a Chinese girl you will be able to tell considerable about her. How she moves her hips, some just lay there but they will grab your hands and squeeze them. Others grab your hair and move your head. What you do with your tongue and the movements you make with it are also important. Some buck a lot. The sex is always better after they have been eaten. At least that has been my experience.
I've had the holding hands thing happen to me a few times while moving their hips as well (sometimes in a kind of side to side motion and other times raising their hips as if feeding it to me), so what would that tell me about her? I am intrigued now!
On a side note, for those that have met me on here, it looks like I may be moving permanently to DG in Dec, so look forward to seeing you again on your travels there
OldAsiaHand
11-01-09, 07:24
I somewhat disagree. Age is not a big factor in China. I am nearly mid-50s and have no problems getting any gf under 35 even below 30. I am talking well educated girls, some of which have studied abroad. Obviously it helps if you look good, not so old and not too overweight. Getting a GF in Beijing any ways for a foreigner is the easiest place in the world. Nothing close to kind of possibility this in North America.
Loveasiangirls,
Thank you for standing up for us older guys. I have the same experience and find that age is not really an issue. Most of my freebies are in the 30-35 range but I set my targets in that age group because of the high conversion rate. That said, I have also had limited success in the under 30 category albeit at a much lower conversion rate. If I try under 25, it is pretty difficult but not impossible.
Just my POV.
OAH
I somewhat disagree. Age is not a big factor in China. I am nearly mid-50s and have no problems getting any gf under 35 even below 30. I am talking well educated girls, some of which have studied abroad. Obviously it helps if you look good, not so old and not too overweight. Getting a GF in Beijing any ways for a foreigner is the easiest place in the world. Nothing close to kind of possibility this in North America.I totally agreed. I'm in my mid 50's and do not have problems getting gf in the mid to late twenties. I find myself being hit on. I'm no handsome devil nor an ugly geek (I do not think so), but finding gals in the 30's is very easy. I'm not seeking a gf, but am quite busy with satisfying lonely trophy housewives and gf of others.
Ice Dragon
11-02-09, 14:39
GF uses a liquid substance called "Jolly" Lady Care, keeps her really fresh and clean, she uses it to clean me up too, makes me edible.
Pink bottle from every grocery store
Ice
I have a 26 yo girlfriend who loves me going down on her before doing the deed and no kissing citing hygiene issue.
She even got love making ideas from website and once asked me to put some beans under the condom before doing her.
And the best part is she squirts.
Now the problem is she wants to marry me and mentions almost every time I see or calls her. Time to let go, I guess.
I have a 26 yo girlfriend who loves me going down on her before doing the deed and no kissing citing hygiene issue.
I just love to go down on a SYT and then give them a big DFK. Lets them taste their own pussy. Some have a problem with this but don't seem to mind BBBJ between rounds where they can taste themselves and me.
Slim
King Assington
11-04-09, 15:04
Hey, need some suggestions. I'm a big dude, I weigh in around 120 kilos, I carry it well, but none the less I'm still a big person. I regularly do power lifting and go running a few miles at a time. I've actually lost a bunch of weight here in China.
I don't think I'm going to loose a whole lot more as my natural body type runs along the lines of being a bigger framed person. I'm thinking no matter how much running, dieting, and lifting I do.. I'm always going to look like a linebacker for a football team.
So my questions here are how do I get with Chinese girls? Most of the girls I've met literally take two steps back when they seem trundle into a room. The look on their faces runs along the lines of, "Holy lord that one must be a throwback from the Pleistocene!"
Now I'm going to be moving to Xi'an one of these days and I'm a bit tired of doing the rounds at the saunas. I've not had much luck here in the conservative town I'm in right now. Hopefully, this will change once I get to a city like Xi'an where the locals have seen more foreign men.
So what works for Chinese girls? I know I've had enough luck in the past just flirting with them, but getting past first base seems to be a real chore. How can I get them to look past the fact that I could not only smother them in their sleep by rolling over on them I could probably break them half with my left hand. It's nice to be able to bench press 160 kilos, I do enjoy it at times.
What pointers can you boys give me for getting past the whole shock factor? I wouldn't mind having some sort of long term hook up with a local girl whilst here in China for the remainder of my teaching contract. I'll probably be in Xi'an for around a year so I have plenty of time.
Hey, need some suggestions. I'm a big dude, I weigh in around 120 kilos, I carry it well, but none the less I'm still a big person. I regularly do power lifting and go running a few miles at a time. I've actually lost a bunch of weight here in China.
I don't think I'm going to loose a whole lot more as my natural body type runs along the lines of being a bigger framed person. I'm thinking no matter how much running, dieting, and lifting I do.. I'm always going to look like a linebacker for a football team.
So my questions here are how do I get with Chinese girls? Most of the girls I've met literally take two steps back when they seem trundle into a room. The look on their faces runs along the lines of, "Holy lord that one must be a throwback from the Pleistocene!"
Now I'm going to be moving to Xi'an one of these days and I'm a bit tired of doing the rounds at the saunas. I've not had much luck here in the conservative town I'm in right now. Hopefully, this will change once I get to a city like Xi'an where the locals have seen more foreign men.
So what works for Chinese girls? I know I've had enough luck in the past just flirting with them, but getting past first base seems to be a real chore. How can I get them to look past the fact that I could not only smother them in their sleep by rolling over on them I could probably break them half with my left hand. It's nice to be able to bench press 160 kilos, I do enjoy it at times.
What pointers can you boys give me for getting past the whole shock factor? I wouldn't mind having some sort of long term hook up with a local girl whilst here in China for the remainder of my teaching contract. I'll probably be in Xi'an for around a year so I have plenty of time.
If you are just huge, then maybe some girl will have a special attraction to you. If you are like a cut bodybuilder, then some girls will definitely feel attracted to you. I am no expert, I only know that there are girls who like a different looking guy, just like some guys like very skinny, or very fat chicks. Good luck. At least in China you can also relieve your stress here and there with pros.
Hey, need some suggestions. I'm a big dude, I weigh in around 120 kilos, I carry it well, but none the less I'm still a big person. I regularly do power lifting and go running a few miles at a time. I've actually lost a bunch of weight here in China.
I don't think I'm going to loose a whole lot more as my natural body type runs along the lines of being a bigger framed person. I'm thinking no matter how much running, dieting, and lifting I do.. I'm always going to look like a linebacker for a football team.
So my questions here are how do I get with Chinese girls? Most of the girls I've met literally take two steps back when they seem trundle into a room. The look on their faces runs along the lines of, "Holy lord that one must be a throwback from the Pleistocene!"
Now I'm going to be moving to Xi'an one of these days and I'm a bit tired of doing the rounds at the saunas. I've not had much luck here in the conservative town I'm in right now. Hopefully, this will change once I get to a city like Xi'an where the locals have seen more foreign men.
So what works for Chinese girls? I know I've had enough luck in the past just flirting with them, but getting past first base seems to be a real chore. How can I get them to look past the fact that I could not only smother them in their sleep by rolling over on them I could probably break them half with my left hand. It's nice to be able to bench press 160 kilos, I do enjoy it at times.
What pointers can you boys give me for getting past the whole shock factor? I wouldn't mind having some sort of long term hook up with a local girl whilst here in China for the remainder of my teaching contract. I'll probably be in Xi'an for around a year so I have plenty of time.
Try the freebie route on DIA, CFF etc. Just say in your profile you are a big guy, give your height and weight and a nice clean cut looking photo and roll the dice.
Lotta girls have no problem with that at all. I am 6'3" and 235 lbs so I am not small but had a great deal of success with freebies
ES
King Assington
11-05-09, 03:48
I'll try the China Friend Finder route first. A buddy of mine told me about QQ so I downloaded that yesterday. Just not sure how it works as of yet. Still tinkering with it.
As for my shape.. hmm.. that's a hard one to explain. Imagine a muscular big person with a think midsection. Mainly I'm just a damn big dude. I have to turn sideways sometimes when going through Chinese doors in older buildings because my shoulders have trouble fitting through.
At my heaviest I was 256lbs and I am only 5'10 and I would have had the same proportions as you (thick but not lean).
If you want freebies all you really have to do is Step 1. shower and shave (clean shaven is a must). Step 2. Wear nice clothes and go out. Just because of your size you will have girls approach you. Step 3 Learn the language so that you can talk to the girls that do approach you. Step 4 Take them to your house and shag.
Having said that however, I am currently about 208lbs and I must honestly say I am more attractive to the ladies at this size. Big by local standards but also leanish (ideal weight is probably about 190lbs)
King Assington
11-05-09, 13:52
I work out regularly and I'm doing what I can to learn the language. It will take some time I suspect and maybe moving to a city that is a bit less conservative. Being out in the hind end of the Qinghai province hasn't done much for my sex life.
Though. Had a great oil massage with rub-a-tug included today. Took the edge right off.
Here's an article that a friend sent me recently. It's about the cops in China getting rough on WG. Even taking pictures of their face to ridicule them in the public. Surprisingly the general public in China view working as a prostitute to be a lowly job, but they do not condemn it as everyone knows that earning a Mao in China these days are difficult times.
http://www.chinasmack.com/pictures/police-mistreat-prostitute-during-raid-netizen-reactions/
AsnDragon
I have a question to ask...
Say, you are living with a girl and for whatever reason you would like for her to move out (eg, she stole your money, she cheated on you, she pissed you off, or you just want to break up), what would be the best and most efficient way to get rid of them? Based on previous experience and seeing other men going about it I know that it is not an easy thing to do
I have a question to ask...
Say, you are living with a girl and for whatever reason you would like for her to move out (eg, she stole your money, she cheated on you, she pissed you off, or you just want to break up), what would be the best and most efficient way to get rid of them? Based on previous experience and seeing other men going about it I know that it is not an easy thing to do
I don't know about China. I know a case of the guy who had a penthouse in our apt. building in Manhattan many years ago.
The guy just moved out and stopped paying rent. He left his clothes behind. He just disappeared.
In China maybe you need to prepare an envelope of "lucky money" and hand it to the female so she has her "walking papers" and enough to go somewhere else? Then, change your locks?
Breaking up is so hard to do. Good luck.
FernandoAlonso
11-10-09, 02:41
Here's an article that a friend sent me recently. It's about the cops in China getting rough on WG. Even taking pictures of their face to ridicule them in the public. Surprisingly the general public in China view working as a prostitute to be a lowly job, but they do not condemn it as everyone knows that earning a Mao in China these days are difficult times.
http://www.chinasmack.com/pictures/police-mistreat-prostitute-during-raid-netizen-reactions/
AsnDragonThey have always been rough to these girls, they take their share like they want in cash or others. Pictures were taken privately and leaked to the internet. I do not think they were intended to be public although sometimes this is a warning to others. Interesting the reaction amnd how this was depicted in the media, they critisised LE for unnnecessary violence and misconduct, it was even like that in the China Daily, quite interesting turn these days. But I would not take that as a sign they tolerate more, so still watch out guys!
FA
OldAsiaHand
11-10-09, 03:22
I have a question to ask...
Say, you are living with a girl and for whatever reason you would like for her to move out (eg, she stole your money, she cheated on you, she pissed you off, or you just want to break up), what would be the best and most efficient way to get rid of them? Based on previous experience and seeing other men going about it I know that it is not an easy thing to do
Pig Fat,
IMHO, it depends on the background and the circumstances. As you know, Chinese people are not keen on confrontation, so I would avoid that. It often happens that she will want money for the time she spent with you, especially if she was a WG or your second wife. On the other hand, if she is just a regular girl, you have the time and she is not stealing your money, I would suggest that you just start to pay less attention to her. Most Chinese girls will get the hint and leave on their own. It saves a lot of face.
Just my POV.
OAH
I have a question to ask...
Say, you are living with a girl and for whatever reason you would like for her to move out (eg, she stole your money, she cheated on you, she pissed you off, or you just want to break up), what would be the best and most efficient way to get rid of them? Based on previous experience and seeing other men going about it I know that it is not an easy thing to do
A wise old codger once gave me an excellent solution to this problem: start talking about how much your current live-in is exactly like your old gf, first wife, etc. She's get mad and distance herself for sure...
Worked for me.
OW
Blacklisted
11-10-09, 14:52
Hey, need some suggestions. I'm a big dude, I weigh in around 120 kilos, I carry it well, but none the less I'm still a big person. I regularly do power lifting and go running a few miles at a time. I've actually lost a bunch of weight here in China.
I don't think I'm going to loose a whole lot more as my natural body type runs along the lines of being a bigger framed person. I'm thinking no matter how much running, dieting, and lifting I do.. I'm always going to look like a linebacker for a football team.
So my questions here are how do I get with Chinese girls? Most of the girls I've met literally take two steps back when they seem trundle into a room. The look on their faces runs along the lines of, "Holy lord that one must be a throwback from the Pleistocene!"
Now I'm going to be moving to Xi'an one of these days and I'm a bit tired of doing the rounds at the saunas. I've not had much luck here in the conservative town I'm in right now. Hopefully, this will change once I get to a city like Xi'an where the locals have seen more foreign men.
So what works for Chinese girls? I know I've had enough luck in the past just flirting with them, but getting past first base seems to be a real chore. How can I get them to look past the fact that I could not only smother them in their sleep by rolling over on them I could probably break them half with my left hand. It's nice to be able to bench press 160 kilos, I do enjoy it at times.
What pointers can you boys give me for getting past the whole shock factor? I wouldn't mind having some sort of long term hook up with a local girl whilst here in China for the remainder of my teaching contract. I'll probably be in Xi'an for around a year so I have plenty of time.
Man, I would be scared as well if you walked into the room!! That is a shitload of weight. I imagine you must be lean though, to be 120 and lifting weight like that, you would have a pretty minimal BF%. Reckon the clubs are the place for you - def. gonna find chicks who like muscles, more likely in SH than X'A though I'd imagine.... Correct me if I'm wrong!
JohnJohnJr2000
11-10-09, 15:11
Bl, I weigh in at 95. 98 Kilos. Most of my pounds are in my thighs and butt. This is probably the wrong forum to talk about this but I would suggest maybe doing some random adds in facebook and also be in SkypeMe Mode in Skype with a Cantonese or Mandarin Name with a profile working in China like meeting people to practice English. This is start and you will make friends and remember there are no rules for hooking up with your friend's "Friends". Just a start and no cost involved.
Before I travel, I always meet random friends on facebook and Skype and my visit is usually successful being friendships with benefits. The only country that this did not work was Korea. I have a buffett waiting for me in Phillipines and will be in Guangzhou, China in a few days and I know I will be overspent. You have nothing to lose. You can always play with game and let them know you are looking for friends but also want to meet people and then you can take it from there. If you want to know more about how I use these things then PM.
There are also a few pay sites that work but can be expensive if you can't read the language and thus have use the translator service. I did this also and I told the girl point blank I only communicate on yahoo or hotmail after two messages (pay-translated). I have made a few friends this way and they want more than a friendship I. E. STR and LTR.
Good Luck! BTW: One of my first Chinese GF who has PhD was 45 kilos and I was her "teddy bear" I thought that term was racist but I overlook it for a great time. So, it can happen just change your tactics.
Man, I would be scared as well if you walked into the room! That is a shitload of weight. I imagine you must be lean though, to be 120 and lifting weight like that, you would have a pretty minimal BF%. Reckon the clubs are the place for you. Def. Gonna find chicks who like muscles, more likely in SH than X'A though I'd imagine. Correct me if I'm wrong!
JohnJohnJr2000
11-10-09, 17:17
BL, sorry about the last posting..I guess this rain in Jeju South Korea got my head spinning. Sorry the response was for KingA who was asking for suggestions about his weight. I'm not a senior member on ISG yet so I can't edit like i can on USG
Again, My Error, My Bad,
Bl, I weigh in at 95. 98 Kilos. Most of my pounds are in my thighs and butt. This is probably the wrong forum to talk about this but I would suggest maybe doing some random adds in facebook and also be in SkypeMe Mode in Skype with a Cantonese or Mandarin Name with a profile working in China like meeting people to practice English. This is start and you will make friends and remember there are no rules for hooking up with your friend's "Friends". Just a start and no cost involved.
Before I travel, I always meet random friends on facebook and Skype and my visit is usually successful being friendships with benefits. The only country that this did not work was Korea. I have a buffett waiting for me in Phillipines and will be in Guangzhou, China in a few days and I know I will be overspent. You have nothing to lose. You can always play with game and let them know you are looking for friends but also want to meet people and then you can take it from there. If you want to know more about how I use these things then PM.
There are also a few pay sites that work but can be expensive if you can't read the language and thus have use the translator service. I did this also and I told the girl point blank I only communicate on yahoo or hotmail after two messages (pay-translated). I have made a few friends this way and they want more than a friendship I. E. STR and LTR.
Good Luck! BTW: One of my first Chinese GF who has PhD was 45 kilos and I was her "teddy bear" I thought that term was racist but I overlook it for a great time. So, it can happen just change your tactics.
Johnjohn, I admire your attitude and success.
John John,
Why would you consider the term "teddy bear" to be racist? I'm sure her nickname for you was out of the fact that you are so large and it feels good to cuddle up next to you and hug you, that's all. I mean I hear people in western countries address that to their significant other all the time.
Just wondering.
AsnDragon
Bl, I weigh in at 95. 98 Kilos. Most of my pounds are in my thighs and butt. This is probably the wrong forum to talk about this but I would suggest maybe doing some random adds in facebook and also be in SkypeMe Mode in Skype with a Cantonese or Mandarin Name with a profile working in China like meeting people to practice English. This is start and you will make friends and remember there are no rules for hooking up with your friend's "Friends". Just a start and no cost involved.
Before I travel, I always meet random friends on facebook and Skype and my visit is usually successful being friendships with benefits. The only country that this did not work was Korea. I have a buffett waiting for me in Phillipines and will be in Guangzhou, China in a few days and I know I will be overspent. You have nothing to lose. You can always play with game and let them know you are looking for friends but also want to meet people and then you can take it from there. If you want to know more about how I use these things then PM.
There are also a few pay sites that work but can be expensive if you can't read the language and thus have use the translator service. I did this also and I told the girl point blank I only communicate on yahoo or hotmail after two messages (pay-translated). I have made a few friends this way and they want more than a friendship I. E. STR and LTR.
Good Luck! BTW: One of my first Chinese GF who has PhD was 45 kilos and I was her "teddy bear" I thought that term was racist but I overlook it for a great time. So, it can happen just change your tactics.
Clean Gene
11-11-09, 07:41
John John,
Why would you consider the term "teddy bear" to be racist? I'm sure her nickname for you was out of the fact that you are so large and it feels good to cuddle up next to you and hug you, that's all. I mean I hear people in western countries address that to their significant other all the time.
Just wondering.
AsnDragon
A lovely photographer's model in LA used to call me "Bear". I liked it.
CG
JohnJohnJr2000
11-11-09, 11:40
Asn Dragon and Clean Gene
Sorry, maybe I just was insecure given that I'm Brown Skin i.e. black, brother, african american and thus I took offense to "Teddy Bear" being brown or black and yes I know teddy bears come in all sizes, shapes and colors. So, yes dudes I was trippin. My bad...you guys are right I should enjoy it the free sex and STR. Excellent points, you all make given these freebies and open relationships with N.S.A.
Now here is something that I "learned" but still confused. I keep running until girls that are ABC (American Born Chinese) that say they are not traditional but the traditional girls that migrate to USA or talk to me via SKYPE or Facebook claim they are traditional but opening talk about Sex. SO what does a tradational CHinese Women mean these days? So, maybe you can help me out on this..? Only future husband need to apply? No babies? No Divorced? No guy that is damaged good?
Cheers!
John John,
Why would you consider the term "teddy bear" to be racist? I'm sure her nickname for you was out of the fact that you are so large and it feels good to cuddle up next to you and hug you, that's all. I mean I hear people in western countries address that to their significant other all the time.
Just wondering.
AsnDragon
The term was used by a EU GFE years back - " you are my teddy bear." I thought it was affection to say the least based on her facial and other expressions.
Look for other clues of expressions.
Be Happy.
IMHO
S7
Good Luck! BTW: One of my first Chinese GF who has PhD was 45 kilos and I was her "teddy bear" I thought that term was racist but I overlook it for a great time. So, it can happen just change your tactics.
Hey all. I have a newbie question I hope you can answer.
Besides my side-line of hobbying when going to China on business, I have made friends (and more ;) ) with some girls that work for companies we do business with.
I have just been invited to go with one of these girls to a KTV to sing and drink when I next visit.
Are there legit KTVs besides the ones we all love so much? Or do legit (properly behaving)customers sit in the next room while we're all acting like hormone charged teenagers in the next room?
Thanks in advance for you esteemed wisdom.
SE Asia Joe
11-12-09, 10:32
Hey all. I have a newbie question I hope you can answer.
Besides my side-line of hobbying when going to China on business, I have made friends (and more ;) ) with some girls that work for companies we do business with.
I have just been invited to go with one of these girls to a KTV to sing and drink when I next visit.
Are there legit KTVs besides the ones we all love so much? Or do legit (properly behaving)customers sit in the next room while we're all acting like hormone charged teenagers in the next room?
Thanks in advance for you esteemed wisdom.
Yes, "Veggie" KTV's abound all over China - even in Chang Ping, GD which is Monger Central.
Veggie KTV's will usually charge you just for the room usage and for the drinks, although some also have DJ's available to help with serving drinks, selecting songs etc.
Lots of regular guys and gals go to KTV's just to sing and get together - and mongers also go to these veggie KTV's with their dates for the night to save a bit of money. And veggie KTV's do NOT have gals available to sit with you etc.
SEAJ
FernandoAlonso
11-12-09, 11:07
Hey all. I have a newbie question I hope you can answer.
Besides my side-line of hobbying when going to China on business, I have made friends (and more ;) ) with some girls that work for companies we do business with.
I have just been invited to go with one of these girls to a KTV to sing and drink when I next visit.
Are there legit KTVs besides the ones we all love so much? Or do legit (properly behaving)customers sit in the next room while we're all acting like hormone charged teenagers in the next room?
Thanks in advance for you esteemed wisdom.All over Asia this is just a form of entertainment, not necessarily our type of KTV, they call themselves party KTV etc., quite nice and not really expensive, often with a buffet and a good start for a date, enjoy!
Bob Builder
11-12-09, 15:03
Asn Dragon and Clean Gene
Sorry, maybe I just was insecure given that I'm Brown Skin i.e. black, brother, african american and thus I took offense to "Teddy Bear" being brown or black and yes I know teddy bears come in all sizes, shapes and colors. So, yes dudes I was trippin. My bad...you guys are right I should enjoy it the free sex and STR. Excellent points, you all make given these freebies and open relationships with N.S.A.
Now here is something that I "learned" but still confused. I keep running until girls that are ABC (American Born Chinese) that say they are not traditional but the traditional girls that migrate to USA or talk to me via SKYPE or Facebook claim they are traditional but opening talk about Sex. SO what does a tradational CHinese Women mean these days? So, maybe you can help me out on this..? Only future husband need to apply? No babies? No Divorced? No guy that is damaged good?
Cheers!
So what do you call a big fat white brother... a polar bear?
It could mean they are only interested in Chinese guys?
Bob and anyone else,
I don't know why you all have a thing against a girl calling you a bear of some sort. I mean what's wrong with a polar bear? They are cute, that's why Coke uses them for their holiday advertisement campaign. I don't see the white brothers in the western countries taking offensive to that at all. It's just expressions that's all.
Americans call their own sons Tiger. Like "go get them tiger!"."way to go tiger!" I don't see people dissecting that comment and addressing that there's anything deeper or malicious other than just an expression.
Now if the girl calls you a pig or a snake or a rat. Well that can be interpreted as an insult because those comments are used as an insult in China. But a bear? Come on guys. Chinese love bears. They spend millions upon millions of RMB just to keep pandas alive for crying out loud. If they hated Bears most of China would just eat them for lunch. (I must note, there is a small population in China that does eat bear, but only a minuscule deranged percentage) When China and Taiwan opened up their political doors and ties last year China sent Taiwan. Yes- a panda Bear as a peace offering gift. Because they are so cute and non threatening.
Please no more polar bear, black bear, grizzly bear, Gummy bears, etc. You guys are big guys and girls like that, it makes them feel protected, being with a Large strong man. Like a- Bear.
AsnDragon
So what do you call a big fat white brother... a polar bear?
It could mean they are only interested in Chinese guys?
Asn Dragon and Clean Gene
Now here is something that I "learned" but still confused. I keep running until girls that are ABC (American Born Chinese) that say they are not traditional but the traditional girls that migrate to USA or talk to me via SKYPE or Facebook claim they are traditional but opening talk about Sex. SO what does a tradational CHinese Women mean these days? So, maybe you can help me out on this..? Only future husband need to apply? No babies? No Divorced? No guy that is damaged good?
Cheers!
I have heard the phrase "I am a traditional Chinese" which I believe means she is not a tart, but a decent woman (in contrast with the hookers she believes you have seen in China). She is willing to have sex but she means she is serious about having a relationship with a man before she has sex (presumably distinct with her view of "easy" Western women). Around the world, all the girls I have fucked on the second date have an odd impression of American women. They think American women are running wild in the streets making porno or something. If the girls you meet say they are "traditional" they mean they are of good character and respect themselves. That in no way should preclude sex with one of them if she likes you enough.
Bob Builder
11-14-09, 03:00
Bob and anyone else,
I don't know why you all have a thing against a girl calling you a bear of some sort. I mean what's wrong with a polar bear? They are cute, that's why Coke uses them for their holiday advertisement campaign. I don't see the white brothers in the western countries taking offensive to that at all. It's just expressions that's all.
Americans call their own sons Tiger. Like "go get them tiger!"."way to go tiger!" I don't see people dissecting that comment and addressing that there's anything deeper or malicious other than just an expression.
Now if the girl calls you a pig or a snake or a rat. Well that can be interpreted as an insult because those comments are used as an insult in China. But a bear? Come on guys. Chinese love bears. They spend millions upon millions of RMB just to keep pandas alive for crying out loud. If they hated Bears most of China would just eat them for lunch. (I must note, there is a small population in China that does eat bear, but only a minuscule deranged percentage) When China and Taiwan opened up their political doors and ties last year China sent Taiwan. Yes- a panda Bear as a peace offering gift. Because they are so cute and non threatening.
Please no more polar bear, black bear, grizzly bear, Gummy bears, etc. You guys are big guys and girls like that, it makes them feel protected, being with a Large strong man. Like a- Bear.
AsnDragon
My feeble attempts at humor are being misinterpreted. But I still had trouble working out why being called a teddy bear was racist until it was explained.
I used to have a Sichuan gal for a few years that had very hairy arms with dark black hair and used to joke with her that she was a monkey. Apparently, her family also used to call her that. Were they and I racist? Are there laws against [CodeWord139] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord139) in China, cause I can eat a monkey without it being against the law?
I apologise in advance for anyone who has been called a monkey, LOL.
OldAsiaHand
11-14-09, 04:22
Are there laws against [CodeWord139] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord139) in China, cause I can eat a monkey without it being against the law?
BB,
I do believe that the traditional serving of live monkey brains is now illegal on the mainland although you can still find it in certain outlying areas.
Just my POV.
OAH
Maybe this is not the place to comment, since this Chinese lives here in California. But, the following is for the amusement or edification of anyone who may meet a Chinese woman and considers "buying the cow" and bringing her to the USA as their wife.
I am not married to this Shanghai "Lil", but she married previously a rich dude, got her citizenship just as he divorced her. She took all her life savings and started a small business so now she's doing pretty well.
I was away from her for a year caring for a sick parent, now she is playing hardball upon my return. Latest update herewith.
She wants to bring her parents to live nearby. I asked her why, and her reason was so her unemployed brother can come too, and work for her. She wants to take care of everyone. I told her I predict that living so close to in-laws that I cannot communicate with would cause problems. This incensed her. She kept saying she needed to help her brother. She would need to help her parents do absolutely everything, drive them to the store, etc. I could foresee in my mind her spending her entire day working and the entire evening with her parents. She said that she needed to "take care" of her parents. I asked "how old are they? are they sick?" She didn't want to answer. So, I repeated, "how old are they?" She didn't want to say! Finally she said "71". I mentioned that perhaps my Govt. would not grant her parents permanent resident status anyway, since they worked their entire lives for the Peoples Liberation Army, and this could be looked at negatively. I reminded her we once fought a war with the PLA in North Korea. I probably should not have said this, as she saw it as my attacking her dear parents.
It gets worse. She said if her parents did not want to live in the USA, she would want to cohabitate with them for 6 months per year! I said "We would need a much bigger house for this arrangement to work. I predict this would cause more problems and ruin our relationship. I would not enjoy being the only person who cannot follow the conversation."
I guess I will miss her sexy awesome figure and porno actress behavior, because this would be certain death for me.
She kept repeating to me, "I cannot be with someone who only accepts me and does not accept my family." I said "No, you want someone who will accept your grand plan of importing your entire family here. What you just said to me was the most important person to you is your unemployed brother. Let's just send him some money." NO GOOD.
Anyway, I should point out. This person is as kind, sweet, considerate, pleasant, sexy and capable as any I have ever met. AND YET, this is what is in the back of their minds! She's not much different from the other girls who leave the countryside to send money back home. Me? I'm just incidental to the enterprise.
You marry a Chinese woman, you become part of the family. Period, no if's and's or but's. Part of the family in the Chinese version of family, not in the western version of family. And in her mind she is Chinese and only a little westernized. Enjoy and appreciate the differences. There are good points to being married to a Chinese woman. I know, I married one.
Maybe this is not the place to comment, since this Chinese lives here in California. But, the following is for the amusement or edification of anyone who may meet a Chinese woman and considers "buying the cow" and bringing her to the USA as their wife.
I am not married to this Shanghai "Lil", but she married previously a rich dude, got her citizenship just as he divorced her. She took all her life savings and started a small business so now she's doing pretty well.
I was away from her for a year caring for a sick parent, now she is playing hardball upon my return. Latest update herewith.
She wants to bring her parents to live nearby. I asked her why, and her reason was so her unemployed brother can come too, and work for her. She wants to take care of everyone. I told her I predict that living so close to in-laws that I cannot communicate with would cause problems. This incensed her. She kept saying she needed to help her brother. She would need to help her parents do absolutely everything, drive them to the store, etc. I could foresee in my mind her spending her entire day working and the entire evening with her parents. She said that she needed to "take care" of her parents. I asked "how old are they? are they sick?" She didn't want to answer. So, I repeated, "how old are they?" She didn't want to say! Finally she said "71". I mentioned that perhaps my Govt. would not grant her parents permanent resident status anyway, since they worked their entire lives for the Peoples Liberation Army, and this could be looked at negatively. I reminded her we once fought a war with the PLA in North Korea. I probably should not have said this, as she saw it as my attacking her dear parents.
It gets worse. She said if her parents did not want to live in the USA, she would want to cohabitate with them for 6 months per year! I said "We would need a much bigger house for this arrangement to work. I predict this would cause more problems and ruin our relationship. I would not enjoy being the only person who cannot follow the conversation."
I guess I will miss her sexy awesome figure and porno actress behavior, because this would be certain death for me.
She kept repeating to me, "I cannot be with someone who only accepts me and does not accept my family." I said "No, you want someone who will accept your grand plan of importing your entire family here. What you just said to me was the most important person to you is your unemployed brother. Let's just send him some money." NO GOOD.
Anyway, I should point out. This person is as kind, sweet, considerate, pleasant, sexy and capable as any I have ever met. AND YET, this is what is in the back of their minds! She's not much different from the other girls who leave the countryside to send money back home. Me? I'm just incidental to the enterprise.
OldAsiaHand
11-14-09, 09:44
Maybe this is not the place to comment, since this Chinese lives here in California.
Dash,
You have told us all this before. If you don't want to deal with the family, you should not even consider any Asian woman period, not just Chinese.
A good friend of mine has 9 people living in his 800 square foot condo in San Fran at the moment. First it was the mother, then the father, and now the brother, sister and their families.
Just my POV.
OAH
Maybe this is not the place to comment, since this Chinese lives here in California.
Good thinking. No, it's not. Not even remotely.
And I think I'm speaking for the immoral majority here if I say that we are tired of your rants, your chest-pounding and arrogant "I am addressed by my name, or Mr. or Sir, or as an American" behavior.
This is the China forum, not the Dash forum. For someone who's been to Beijing in 2005, spent two days at the Grand Hyatt, still fantasizes about a WG grabbing him, you have an awful lot to type (repetitively, ad nauseam.) Except for that unedifying story, and something about picking a girl out of an in-room fishbowl (also in 2005) there is nothing that resembles a report.
Most of us have given up on you. Now do us all a favor, give us some space so that we can return to the topic at hand. Of which you don't seem to understand one bit.
We are tired of your Shanghai Lily histrionics. We are glad you missed the art students and tea ceremony scam on Wangfujing. We have the impression that you've been here once, in 2005, a Chinese divorcee is busting your balls, and it drives you to vicariously reliving your ancient and short past. Get over it or get a shrink.
Now, Mr., Sir, American, please move on.
Thank you. Highly appreciated.
Dash,
I usually like to help people out. But this is just ridiculous. Your story belongs on the craigslist portion of rants and raves or relationships page. The reason why i say this is because once you take a girl out of China or any Asian Country, their expectations and everything changes. This is to be expected.
But OAH is right, Chinese are very family oriented. It's a good quality in some sense. You should not just look at the negativity of it. If you married her and your parents were sick, I'm sure she would come and take care of them as well. Because marriage in China is the coming of two families, it's not just two individuals.
Is it outrageous for her to want to help her family? Well in your eyes you may think so, but if you were in her shoes, I'm sure you want want to help out your own family as well right? I'm sure you can understand her point of view.
Therefore, I believe it's more your fault. You did not express your expecations clearly in the begininning. However, if you did lay our your expectations in the beginning and she just ignored it or had a change of heart, you equally have the right to leave this relationship ASAP. You are NOT married to you; therefore, you had no obligations to stay.
The biggest problem with you is, you want the milk, but you don't want to buy the cow. I'm sorry my friend, but You live in the US of A, not in China. You in essence, wanting such a pretty girl in the US, are a beggar. In order to keep her you must compromise. In life, as you know Dash, something's gotta give in the end. You can't have everything. You want to be with her, then compromise. If you don't want to compromise then part ways. She has laid out her expectations clearly. You lay out yours and if you both cannot reach a consensus then part ways. Move on with your life Dash. It's like you are stuck in one spot unwilling to solve the problem. You can't have everything in life. Every girl in the world comes with some sort of package that you must accept.
You either take it or leave it, don't waste her time nor yours. Life is too short.
AsnDragon
Maybe this is not the place to comment, since this Chinese lives here in California. But, the following is for the amusement or edification of anyone who may meet a Chinese woman and considers "buying the cow" and bringing her to the USA as their wife.
I am not married to this Shanghai "Lil", but she married previously a rich dude, got her citizenship just as he divorced her. She took all her life savings and started a small business so now she's doing pretty well.
I was away from her for a year caring for a sick parent, now she is playing hardball upon my return. Latest update herewith.
She wants to bring her parents to live nearby. I asked her why, and her reason was so her unemployed brother can come too, and work for her. She wants to take care of everyone. I told her I predict that living so close to in-laws that I cannot communicate with would cause problems. This incensed her. She kept saying she needed to help her brother. She would need to help her parents do absolutely everything, drive them to the store, etc. I could foresee in my mind her spending her entire day working and the entire evening with her parents. She said that she needed to "take care" of her parents. I asked "how old are they? are they sick?" She didn't want to answer. So, I repeated, "how old are they?" She didn't want to say! Finally she said "71". I mentioned that perhaps my Govt. would not grant her parents permanent resident status anyway, since they worked their entire lives for the Peoples Liberation Army, and this could be looked at negatively. I reminded her we once fought a war with the PLA in North Korea. I probably should not have said this, as she saw it as my attacking her dear parents.
It gets worse. She said if her parents did not want to live in the USA, she would want to cohabitate with them for 6 months per year! I said "We would need a much bigger house for this arrangement to work. I predict this would cause more problems and ruin our relationship. I would not enjoy being the only person who cannot follow the conversation."
I guess I will miss her sexy awesome figure and porno actress behavior, because this would be certain death for me.
She kept repeating to me, "I cannot be with someone who only accepts me and does not accept my family." I said "No, you want someone who will accept your grand plan of importing your entire family here. What you just said to me was the most important person to you is your unemployed brother. Let's just send him some money." NO GOOD.
Anyway, I should point out. This person is as kind, sweet, considerate, pleasant, sexy and capable as any I have ever met. AND YET, this is what is in the back of their minds! She's not much different from the other girls who leave the countryside to send money back home. Me? I'm just incidental to the enterprise.
This is just ridiculous.
You are damn right it is. But here is clearly someone who just wants to talk (repetitively, bordering on insanity) and who does not want to listen. Jeez, he forces us to repeat ourselves. He's been (supposedly) asking for advice. Advice was courteously given, and ignored. He doesn't want advice. He just wants to use this as a toxic waste dump. He's all over the place, in most China threads.
I move we all put him on the ignore list.
Or we petition Jackson to do what he does best: Give him his own "Dash (vicariously) in China" forum. Either that, or we all have to move elsewhere.
Web Connect
11-14-09, 13:20
From what I gathered from reading the forums most Chinese woman do not shave down completely since Chinese men prefer their woman to have some hair?
Do Chinese woman prefer a man who shaves his private area totally clean? As in no hair at all?
I would think it makes sense when it comes to the the rimming department!
Good thinking. No, it's not. Not even remotely.
And I think I'm speaking for the immoral majority here if I say that we are tired of your rants, your chest-pounding and arrogant "I am addressed by my name, or Mr. or Sir, or as an American" behavior.
This is the China forum, not the Dash forum. For someone who's been to Beijing in 2005, spent two days at the Grand Hyatt, still fantasizes about a WG grabbing him, you have an awful lot to type (repetitively, ad nauseam.) Except for that unedifying story, and something about picking a girl out of an in-room fishbowl (also in 2005) there is nothing that resembles a report.
Most of us have given up on you. Now do us all a favor, give us some space so that we can return to the topic at hand. Of which you don't seem to understand one bit.
We are tired of your Shanghai Lily histrionics. We are glad you missed the art students and tea ceremony scam on Wangfujing. We have the impression that you've been here once, in 2005, a Chinese divorcee is busting your balls, and it drives you to vicariously reliving your ancient and short past. Get over it or get a shrink.
Now, Mr., Sir, American, please move on.
Thank you. Highly appreciated.
My post was for the entertainment and education of an American man who may find himself involved with a Chinese lady. If this is not the forurm for that in your opinion, so be it.
The answer to my posting too much is don't bother reading them.
I have a few years to go to get up to the thousands of posts some people have.
Thank you for calling me sir. This is polite. Calling me "foreigner" is not polite so I prefer this way.
Dash,
I usually like to help people out. But this is just ridiculous. Your story belongs on the craigslist portion of rants and raves or relationships page. The reason why i say this is because once you take a girl out of China or any Asian Country, their expectations and everything changes. This is to be expected.
But OAH is right, Chinese are very family oriented. It's a good quality in some sense. You should not just look at the negativity of it. If you married her and your parents were sick, I'm sure she would come and take care of them as well. Because marriage in China is the coming of two families, it's not just two individuals.
Is it outrageous for her to want to help her family? Well in your eyes you may think so, but if you were in her shoes, I'm sure you want want to help out your own family as well right? I'm sure you can understand her point of view.
Therefore, I believe it's more your fault. You did not express your expecations clearly in the begininning. However, if you did lay our your expectations in the beginning and she just ignored it or had a change of heart, you equally have the right to leave this relationship ASAP. You are NOT married to you; therefore, you had no obligations to stay.
The biggest problem with you is, you want the milk, but you don't want to buy the cow. I'm sorry my friend, but You live in the US of A, not in China. You in essence, wanting such a pretty girl in the US, are a beggar. In order to keep her you must compromise. In life, as you know Dash, something's gotta give in the end. You can't have everything. You want to be with her, then compromise. If you don't want to compromise then part ways. She has laid out her expectations clearly. You lay out yours and if you both cannot reach a consensus then part ways. Move on with your life Dash. It's like you are stuck in one spot unwilling to solve the problem. You can't have everything in life. Every girl in the world comes with some sort of package that you must accept.
You either take it or leave it, don't waste her time nor yours. Life is too short.
AsnDragon
Thanks for your comment. I am getting quite the education here, which was my secondary purpose. The first was to address the American men who may go find a girl in China.
The girls parents are healthy, happy, secure and live in China. They should stay there in my opinion, and visit for one month. She in turn should visit them for one month.
This woman knew perfectly well she was leaving her parents behind when she married an American (not me).
I am a beggar, that's rich. I have other options, but I prefered her nice, kind ways when we were together.
A little disclaimer: when we began, she never mentioned needing her family here, never mentioned all of these new "requirements", and said she accepted me and my "lifestyle" (whatever that is) etc.
So if you are Chinese and I pissed you off, sorry. I disagree with the notion that she through marriage for a few years now brings her entire family to live in the USA. This is my political belief, nothing personal against her family of course.
As I mentioned to zuren, if my stuff bothers you, skip reading.
From what I gathered from reading the forums most Chinese woman do not shave down completely since Chinese men prefer their woman to have some hair?
Do Chinese woman prefer a man who shaves his private area totally clean? As in no hair at all?
I would think it makes sense when it comes to the the rimming department!
I would recommend shaving down below. I have not ever had a female say she didn't like it.
You are damn right it is. But here is clearly someone who just wants to talk (repetitively, bordering on insanity) and who does not want to listen. Jeez, he forces us to repeat ourselves. He's been (supposedly) asking for advice. Advice was courteously given, and ignored. He doesn't want advice. He just wants to use this as a toxic waste dump. He's all over the place, in most China threads.
I move we all put him on the ignore list.
Or we petition Jackson to do what he does best: Give him his own "Dash (vicariously) in China" forum. Either that, or we all have to move elsewhere.
If you disagree with me, fine. You want to censor me? OK. If you don't like people not accepting the "advice" given on the forum, then that's our choice, or is it not? My comments are directed for the possible amusement and interest of American men traveling to China and who may meet a girl.
You marry a Chinese woman, you become part of the family. Period, no if's and's or but's. Part of the family in the Chinese version of family, not in the western version of family. And in her mind she is Chinese and only a little westernized. Enjoy and appreciate the differences. There are good points to being married to a Chinese woman. I know, I married one.
Thank you for your comment.
Where do you live? China or the USA? Do your wife's parents reside with you in the USA? Do you cohabitate with her parents for 6 months per year? Are you the main breadwinner and pay to support her parents? Etc.
Dash,
You have told us all this before. If you don't want to deal with the family, you should not even consider any Asian woman period, not just Chinese.
A good friend of mine has 9 people living in his 800 square foot condo in San Fran at the moment. First it was the mother, then the father, and now the brother, sister and their families.
Just my POV.
OAH
Thank you for your comment. The news was cohabitating with them for 6 months and the brother coming along also. I had not known this. How exactly does your good friend handle this situation? Is your good friend American?
Bob Builder
11-15-09, 01:18
Thank you for your comment. The news was cohabitating with them for 6 months and the brother coming along also. I had not known this. How exactly does your good friend handle this situation? Is your good friend American?
This doesn't just happen in the US. Many Hong Kong guys who shack up or marry Chinese gals in Shenzhen end up supporting various members of the family or having their apartment used like a free hotel by various extended family members and village friends from back home looking for work in the South.
To save all these problems you need to find a gal who is an orphan.
OldAsiaHand
11-15-09, 04:48
Thank you for your comment. The news was cohabitating with them for 6 months and the brother coming along also. I had not known this. How exactly does your good friend handle this situation? Is your good friend American?
Dash,
He is American. He doesn't handle the situation. He is living in China with another woman most of the time. A real glutton for punishment. He has asked for a divorce and she does not agree. Why should she? Where would she put the family if they sold the condo? He was recently in San Fran and had to stay at a friend's place until she could find temporary residence for the family and he could eventually stay in his own condo.
The bottom line is that it is not at all unusual for extended Chinese families to live all together like this. She would have found a place for him to sleep in the condo, probably in the master bedroom while the others slept elsewhere in the unit.
This may be the extreme but it demonstrates the Chinese committment to family.
Just my POV.
OAH
From what I gathered from reading the forums most Chinese woman do not shave down completely since Chinese men prefer their woman to have some hair?
Do Chinese woman prefer a man who shaves his private area totally clean? As in no hair at all?
I would think it makes sense when it comes to the the rimming department!Im an Asian American and i prefer my biatch shave smooth and clean. I usually leave a razor in the "loo" with a hustler mag showing smooth gals. I do not tell them to shave anymore (really SEAJoe, i say nothing to them, sometimes i leave a red envelope near the razor, but really, i do not tell them anything) but somehow after they see those pictures they usually comes out clean and smooth. Really....
BTW, please do not bring this subject up to SEAJoe, he prefers them the hairy variety.
Bob Builder
11-15-09, 05:41
Dash,
He is American. He doesn't handle the situation. He is living in China with another woman most of the time. A real glutton for punishment. He has asked for a divorce and she does not agree. Why should she? Where would she put the family if they sold the condo? He was recently in San Fran and had to stay at a friend's place until she could find temporary residence for the family and he could eventually stay in his own condo.
The bottom line is that it is not at all unusual for extended Chinese families to live all together like this. She would have found a place for him to sleep in the condo, probably in the master bedroom while the others slept elsewhere in the unit.
This may be the extreme but it demonstrates the Chinese committment to family.
Just my POV.
OAH
I wonder if Rupert Murdoch has this problem?
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