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Dash,
He is American. He doesn't handle the situation. He is living in China with another woman most of the time. A real glutton for punishment. He has asked for a divorce and she does not agree. Why should she? Where would she put the family if they sold the condo? He was recently in San Fran and had to stay at a friend's place until she could find temporary residence for the family and he could eventually stay in his own condo.
The bottom line is that it is not at all unusual for extended Chinese families to live all together like this. She would have found a place for him to sleep in the condo, probably in the master bedroom while the others slept elsewhere in the unit.
This may be the extreme but it demonstrates the Chinese committment to family.
Just my POV.
OAH
Thank you so much for this interesting info. My sincere condolences for your friend. I wonder why he needs her permission to divorce in California?
I wonder if Rupert Murdoch has this problem?
I hear his mrs makes him put money in small red envelopes and give his inlaws "lucky money" everytime he sees them.
I am not so sure why some guys are up in arms against Dash. I too share the view with the majority here, that Dash is unrealistic in his expectations when it comes to relationships/marriage with Chinese women (to put it mildly). But so what? Is that a reason to censor him? I think not.
And yes, many have already pointed things out to Dash, and he seems slow to "reform". But again, so what? If you have pointed his errors out to him a couple of times, and he doesn't want to take your advice, it's his business.
And yes, this is the proper thread to discuss those topics.
Dash may be misinformed in his opinions (about Chinese girls/women in particular) but he has never been abusive or used foul language. Which is more than can be said for those pointing out the errors in his way.
If you disagree with me, fine. You want to censor me? OK. If you don't like people not accepting the "advice" given on the forum, then that's our choice, or is it not? My comments are directed for the possible amusement and interest of American men traveling to China and who may meet a girl.
I am not so sure why some guys are up in arms against Dash. I too share the view with the majority here, that Dash is unrealistic in his expectations when it comes to relationships/marriage with Chinese women (to put it mildly). But so what? Is that a reason to censor him? I think not.
And yes, many have already pointed things out to Dash, and he seems slow to "reform". But again, so what? If you have pointed his errors out to him a couple of times, and he doesn't want to take your advice, it's his business.
And yes, this is the proper thread to discuss those topics.
Dash may be misinformed in his opinions (about Chinese girls/women in particular) but he has never been abusive or used foul language. Which is more than can be said for those pointing out the errors in his way.
I appreciate your comment. The mystery concerning one I am dating was the issues she suddenly says are paramount to her although she has never ever mentioned them before, and did not have these issues in her first marriage to an American.
My comments were in case one day someone else were to meet a Chinese woman and get involved. The comments show not only how the woman may be, but her brothers, friends, parents, etc. I have absorbed fully the "ambiance" here.
SE Asia Joe
11-15-09, 18:46
I am not so sure why some guys are up in arms against Dash. I too share the view with the majority here, that Dash is unrealistic in his expectations when it comes to relationships/marriage with Chinese women (to put it mildly). But so what? Is that a reason to censor him? I think not.
And yes, many have already pointed things out to Dash, and he seems slow to "reform". But again, so what? If you have pointed his errors out to him a couple of times, and he doesn't want to take your advice, it's his business.
And yes, this is the proper thread to discuss those topics.
Dash may be misinformed in his opinions (about Chinese girls/women in particular) but he has never been abusive or used foul language. Which is more than can be said for those pointing out the errors in his way.
You are of course correct in just about everything you say - but this guy's been writing about this over the hill 40+ Shanghai Lil going back to 07/08/06 - 2006...THREE YEARS!!
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And he ad nauseam repeats the same thing over and over and over AGAIN!. And then comes up with all sort of pronouncements and provocative statements based upon his one or two visits to China in 2005 - yes, 2005, FOUR years ago!
OK, like you said, we could all just ignore him - but he invariably comes back and make some more provocative statements. Things like it's OK for him to spend a whole year off work to take care of his Mom - and its not OK for Shanghai Lil to want to take care of her parents.
And I don't think anybody here wants to "censor" him or anything akin - just to stop posting the same drivel over and over again whilst ignoring all the good (IMHO) advise that most guys here generously give..... as if he's doing this just to provoke strong reaction.
And as far as this being the correct forum - what has a self supporting 40+ old Gal got anything to do with ISG which is a forum for discussion of PAID sex?
SEAJ
Joe,
Once again, you are getting too personal and insulting.
This forum is called China women-opinions. Therefore, I can state my opinion about Chinese women.
This woman is indeed 40 but not over the hill, but I won't post her pictures here. Her appearance exceeds 90% of the hookers posted here. Obviously her education exceeds 100% of the hookers here, as does her English skill.
In addition, she is not a HOOKER.
If you don't like my "provocative statements", then argue them.
Incidentally, taking care of a mother who needs help is different than inviting two healthy but poor Chinese to the USA. They and their son reside in China and all are fine.
But, thanks for your posts. I learned much about attitudes towards Americans.
Just so you all know.
I am aware of the injustices, difficulties, abuses and crimes against China by foreigners and I also know that the history of China is turbulent and that Chinese have suffered throughout its history. I may joke and complain, but I do respect my hosts when I travel and am careful not to offend them. I believe in not telling residents of their home country what bothers me while I am visiting. In my limited experience, Chinese were friendly and curious to meet me and hear my story, because I worked in a third world country to develop an industry there, and more casually, because I look very unlike the average person, including the Western dudes in suits.
I just read through the last couple days' reports on this thread and I would have to say that Dash has the right to tell it as it is, even though it is kind of a rant. I have to say from personal experience that even the most "westernized" 20-something from Shanghai still has PLENTY of traditional values that she would not let go, even after moving to the US if that's the case. I think you just have to find the right balance of Chineseness/Americaness if you're looking for a long term partner. If what you see don't suit your needs, just move on. I think Dash is being realistic in his decision. Moving that girl's parents and her brother to the US would just be a huge pain in the ass for most. If that's a sacrifice that a person is not willing to make, it's completely reasonable.
Cunning Linguist
11-16-09, 00:35
I have read some reports about CFF website for meeting girls and I have followed some of Eaglestar's advice he gave a while back but I wanted to know if there are any "techniques" for luring some doable freebies (and separate the ones who are mostly looking to get married and those who want to have fun). One could say that they are just after money or shopping money (freebies are not altogether free, are they?). Perhaps some are after a bit of adventure or are curious about a laowai and how they do it.
Perhaps some of you have had experience in convincing them that they need to share themselves, but how do you go about it without scaring them, yet letting them know what one of the main goals is, if you know what I mean. What makes them tick?
Any advice on how to deal with Chinese girls would be appreciated not only by me but by many others, I am sure.
Thanks in advance.
I just read through the last couple days' reports on this thread and I would have to say that Dash has the right to tell it as it is, even though it is kind of a rant. I have to say from personal experience that even the most "westernized" 20-something from Shanghai still has PLENTY of traditional values that she would not let go, even after moving to the US if that's the case. I think you just have to find the right balance of Chineseness/Americaness if you're looking for a long term partner. If what you see don't suit your needs, just move on. I think Dash is being realistic in his decision. Moving that girl's parents and her brother to the US would just be a huge pain in the ass for most. If that's a sacrifice that a person is not willing to make, it's completely reasonable.
I appreciate your comment. I have not posted the other scary information I have found here and there. e.g. visa required form i134 affadavit of support, and if Chinese parent goes into the hospital ($100K medical bills not unsual) I am on the hook if I am married to whoever signed this form. Suffice that I do not know anyone who resides with in-laws, let alone of the same nationality. I wish I could post pictures of the babe and remove them, but I do not see this capability on the photo site.
As I said everyone girl has some sort of baggage attached to them. Her parents are important to her. If you truly love her, then take responsibility for it if marriage is on your future agenda with her, then you should be willing to accept her parents as your parents in the near future. That's what a "marriage" is called.
I don't really see your point in rambling off about this shanghainese GF of yours. You already know what to do, but yet you just want to ramble off and vent your frustration. What is it that you want to accomplish? Did you want to have a support group or something? Because I think everyone on this board has given you very decent advice thus far.
You can't take all the goodies of a girl and refuse to accept the parts you don't like. Therefore, if you cannot accept her mindset of helping out and bringing her family over to the states, i think you should just part ways with her and move on with you life.
Sure she may be hot and kind and great in bed, but obviously those qualities are not enough for you to overlook her determination to bring over her family to the states. As a result, it's vert clear-cut. Just leave her and move on with your life. You will never be happy if you cannot accept helping out her family.
In fact, in many ways i view your actions as being very selfish. If today this shanghai girl was an American, who's family was in the US and very old, and this American girl had all of the qualities of this shanghai girl, would you refrain from marrying her because her parents could "potentially" get sick and you would be left with over $100,000 USD medical bill to help out on? Listen to how selfish you sound. It's as if because she's from China, her parents are worth less and should just stay the hell in China since it's cheaper there? But if today it was an American GF with American old parents that could potentially end up the hospital, i guess you couldn't back out of being a selfish person anymore huh? Cause there's no China for them to go back to for cheaper healthcare.
Face it, today you do not view this Shanghai Girl as an equal at all. That's where your problems lie. Which is fine...if you don't find her to be worthy it's find, I'm not out there to judge you, but I'm here to point out that if you cannot take her family ambitions, then you should be a responsible gentlemen and leave her so she can find a guy who actually has the kindness and heart to take care of her and her family, regardless of the consequences because he loves her and everything that she cares about in life.
AsnDragon
I appreciate your comment. I have not posted the other scary information I have found here and there. e.g. visa required form i134 affadavit of support, and if Chinese parent goes into the hospital ($100K medical bills not unsual) I am on the hook if I am married to whoever signed this form. Suffice that I do not know anyone who resides with in-laws, let alone of the same nationality. I wish I could post pictures of the babe and remove them, but I do not see this capability on the photo site.
SE Asia Joe
11-16-09, 04:52
As I said everyone girl has some sort of baggage attached to them. Her parents are important to her. If you truly love her, then take responsibility for it if marriage is on your future agenda with her, then you should be willing to accept her parents as your parents in the near future. That's what a "marriage" is called.
I don't really see your point in rambling off about this shanghainese GF of yours. You already know what to do, but yet you just want to ramble off and vent your frustration. What is it that you want to accomplish? Did you want to have a support group or something? Because I think everyone on this board has given you very decent advice thus far.
You can't take all the goodies of a girl and refuse to accept the parts you don't like. Therefore, if you cannot accept her mindset of helping out and bringing her family over to the states, i think you should just part ways with her and move on with you life.
Sure she may be hot and kind and great in bed, but obviously those qualities are not enough for you to overlook her determination to bring over her family to the states. As a result, it's vert clear-cut. Just leave her and move on with your life. You will never be happy if you cannot accept helping out her family.
In fact, in many ways i view your actions as being very selfish. If today this shanghai girl was an American, who's family was in the US and very old, and this American girl had all of the qualities of this shanghai girl, would you refrain from marrying her because her parents could "potentially" get sick and you would be left with over $100,000 USD medical bill to help out on? Listen to how selfish you sound. It's as if because she's from China, her parents are worth less and should just stay the hell in China since it's cheaper there? But if today it was an American GF with American old parents that could potentially end up the hospital, i guess you couldn't back out of being a selfish person anymore huh? Cause there's no China for them to go back to for cheaper healthcare.
Face it, today you do not view this Shanghai Girl as an equal at all. That's where your problems lie. Which is fine...if you don't find her to be worthy it's find, I'm not out there to judge you, but I'm here to point out that if you cannot take her family ambitions, then you should be a responsible gentlemen and leave her so she can find a guy who actually has the kindness and heart to take care of her and her family, regardless of the consequences because he loves her and everything that she cares about in life.
AsnDragon
Very very well said!!
But I suspect that our man Dash is again gonna just ignore it - the same as he ignores every other advice given to him previously - and instead come up with the same old tired saw again.
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
11-16-09, 05:29
Very very well said!!
But I suspect that our man Dash is again gonna just ignore it - the same as he ignores every other advice given to him previously - and instead come up with the same old tired saw again.
SEAJ
AsnDragon,
I second the motion. This is exactly what we have all been trying to tell Dash in different ways. You have captured it perfectly in your post.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
11-16-09, 05:31
Thank you so much for this interesting info. My sincere condolences for your friend. I wonder why he needs her permission to divorce in California?
Dash,
I am not a lawyer but I don't think he needs permission to divorce her. I understand he can get a divorce without a property settlement. What he is trying to do is to negotiate a settlement and avoid a lenghty and expensive court battle.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
11-16-09, 05:59
Joe,
Once again, you are getting too personal and insulting.
This forum is called China women-opinions. Therefore, I can state my opinion about Chinese women.
This woman is indeed 40 but not over the hill, but I won't post her pictures here. Her appearance exceeds 90% of the hookers posted here. Obviously her education exceeds 100% of the hookers here, as does her English skill.
In addition, she is not a HOOKER.
If you don't like my "provocative statements", then argue them.
Incidentally, taking care of a mother who needs help is different than inviting two healthy but poor Chinese to the USA. They and their son reside in China and all are fine.
But, thanks for your posts. I learned much about attitudes towards Americans.
Too personal and insulting?
Look- it, this ain’t a kindergarten – or a kidney garden as how you’d deride your own GF – and if you don’t like what I said, you can also put me on the ignore list. And – oh - it’s not alright when I come up with a well disguised reference to the fact that I do think that you are a self centered, Mommy’s boy – but it’s alright in your books to insult all Chinese by glibly deriding our dietary habits, Chinese herbal medicine, our own preferences, how the Chinese gals are all out there waiting for your “white duck meat?” Yeah right… relax…
”Lighten up, calling myself "white meat" and my cock "duck dick" is for fun, besides it rhymes. "suck my duck dick" just rolls off the tongue. Some of the beliefs in China are indeed quaint and ridiculous´
Or
“I tell each and every Chinese I meet in sunny California that I know he is only here to chase a dollar. Anyone who goes to China and does not get laid for money from the gazillion girls has no desire to do so. They send them to your room in hotels for god's sake. In China everything is for sale, we all know that”
Perfectly OK for the great Sir Dash to make fun of ALL Chinese and not OK for me to just even refer to him as a Momma’s boy! Quite!
And your sheer arrogance – I’m from California (hell I’ve never heard from guys who actually even live in Carmel, Beverly Hills, Newport Beach, Russian Hill etc expressing how great they are just because they’re from California – and you??? Santa Cruz huh?), your repeated announcements that “I speak 2 languages” (Hell, the MAJORITY of Chinese and most Asians in general speaks at least 2 languages – their own regional dialect and the National language – and usually other languages – some even Ingris!), how you find even the term “laowai” offensive (Pray do tell us all – from your vast knowledge of China and the Chinese language – how we humble Chinese are supposed to refer the Great Mr., Sir, American Dash when conversing in our own language?
Like I said, you may have come in to a bit of money from your Mom, and now there is no need for you to only be doing the crack-ho’s your weekly pocket money allowed you to do or have to any more associate with the Hooker that you’d previously proudly announced as being your live-in lover. You’ve now grown bigger in your pants and you’ve graduated to being able to even be considered by a Shanghainese Gal. Great!
But then you come on here and bare all your own insecurities and incredibly – it seems that you are trying to drum up support for your selfish and self centered attitude as AsnDragon pointed out. And not only once - but time and time again, ad infinitum, ad-nauseum. Whilst glibly ignoring all previous advice and opinions. What’s your point? And you’ve been moaning about Shanghai Lil for the past THREE years…. Since 2006… So why dontcha just give it a rest?
OK OK, I can easily put you on the Ignore List – but why should I when you go on still insulting us Chinese? Especially when it’s all based upon your fleeting once or twice visit to China also FOUR years ago! And your “Great Romance” with what most of us in China would consider as being damaged, discarded goods.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
11-16-09, 06:07
I . I wish I could post pictures of the babe and remove them, but I do not see this capability on the photo site.
You been an ISG member for how Long?
Yes you can post up pictures and then remove it anytime (up to I think 24 hours) just by using the EDIT fuction.
So why dontcha just do exactly that.
Let's see your great beauty (yeah - right!!)
And whilst you're at it, why dontcha post up a picture of yourself as I detect that you do think that you are indeed a glamour boy and a much higher cut than the other American "suits." Sigh....!
because I look very unlike the average person, including the Western dudes in suits
.........
I have known Chinese here and they have probably not met many american guys who are not older men in suits
SEAJ
You been an ISG member for how Long?
Yes you can post up pictures and then remove it anytime (up to I think 24 hours) just by using the EDIT fuction.
So why dontcha just do exactly that.
Let's see your great beauty (yeah - right!!)
And whilst you're at it, why dontcha post up a picture of yourself as I detect that you do think that you are indeed a glamour boy and a much higher cut than the other American "suits." Sigh....!
SEAJ
Well, if I post myself, would that not defeat the purpose of this forum? Then, people would know who I am next time I was on TV selling shamwows.
As I said everyone girl has some sort of baggage attached to them. Her parents are important to her. If you truly love her, then take responsibility for it if marriage is on your future agenda with her, then you should be willing to accept her parents as your parents in the near future. That's what a "marriage" is called.
I don't really see your point in rambling off about this shanghainese GF of yours. You already know what to do, but yet you just want to ramble off and vent your frustration. What is it that you want to accomplish? Did you want to have a support group or something? Because I think everyone on this board has given you very decent advice thus far.
You can't take all the goodies of a girl and refuse to accept the parts you don't like. Therefore, if you cannot accept her mindset of helping out and bringing her family over to the states, i think you should just part ways with her and move on with you life.
Sure she may be hot and kind and great in bed, but obviously those qualities are not enough for you to overlook her determination to bring over her family to the states. As a result, it's vert clear-cut. Just leave her and move on with your life. You will never be happy if you cannot accept helping out her family.
In fact, in many ways i view your actions as being very selfish. If today this shanghai girl was an American, who's family was in the US and very old, and this American girl had all of the qualities of this shanghai girl, would you refrain from marrying her because her parents could "potentially" get sick and you would be left with over $100,000 USD medical bill to help out on? Listen to how selfish you sound. It's as if because she's from China, her parents are worth less and should just stay the hell in China since it's cheaper there? But if today it was an American GF with American old parents that could potentially end up the hospital, i guess you couldn't back out of being a selfish person anymore huh? Cause there's no China for them to go back to for cheaper healthcare.
Face it, today you do not view this Shanghai Girl as an equal at all. That's where your problems lie. Which is fine...if you don't find her to be worthy it's find, I'm not out there to judge you, but I'm here to point out that if you cannot take her family ambitions, then you should be a responsible gentlemen and leave her so she can find a guy who actually has the kindness and heart to take care of her and her family, regardless of the consequences because he loves her and everything that she cares about in life.
AsnDragon
So, everyone here thinks it's a good idea to cohabitate with 2 in-laws and a brother in law? Funny, no one I have actually spoken to does. Well, I guess I am being selfish. If my partner's parents put me in the hole for $100,000 because the girl thinks Medicare will cover them (it won't) yeah, I am very selfish about this and will take steps to avoid this disaster.
The parents are not "very old". But I have only just learned that there is no system of social security or medicare nor good hospitals in China for many people. I see her problem better now.
The other thing is I have no objection to supporting the woman if she requires it, and letting her financially help her parents. But, my posts are for the American guys who may frequent this *English language American website*. I want to mention again: the woman since we met never mentioned this desire to bring the family in, her requirements change almost daily. Live nearby, cohabitate, bring brother, etc. etc. No one appreciates constant surprises and new demands from a woman, Chinese or not.
I could accept her parents. Surely, the barrier is language. This is not my fault. However, in normal circumstances, American adults do not live with their parents either.
People here have made a basic mistake. This is not a website to give advise and for it to be "taken". This is a place to exchange ideas and opinions. I apologize if my comments are rants. I see rants all over the place online.
I was ignornant that so many Chinese are here and so I reminded them I enjoyed their country and people. I even respect quaint customs although I may have made fun of them.
Don't sweat it. I won't mention anything more about the foibles of dating a Chinese woman in the golden state. Any other guys who are curious can find me. I'm still undecided if I really want to be a "responsible gentleman."
SE Asia Joe
11-16-09, 08:23
So, everyone here thinks it's a good idea to cohabitate with 2 in-laws and a brother in law? Funny, no one I have actually spoken to does. Well, I guess I am being selfish. If my partner's parents put me in the hole for $100,000 because the girl thinks Medicare will cover them (it won't) yeah, I am very selfish about this and will take steps to avoid this disaster.
The parents are not "very old". But I have only just learned that there is no system of social security or medicare nor good hospitals in China for many people. I see her problem better now.
And yet it is perfectly acceptable for you to not work for a year to take care of your mom - just coz she's American I guess. And like AsnDragon pointed out - would you object if Shanghai Lil was an American?
The other thing is I have no objection to supporting the woman if she requires it, and letting her financially help her parents. But, my posts are for the American guys who may frequent this *English language American website*. I want to mention again: the woman since we met never mentioned this desire to bring the family in, her requirements change almost daily. Live nearby, cohabitate, bring brother, etc. etc. No one appreciates constant surprises and new demands from a woman, Chinese or not.
"Chinese or not" - you've hit it on the head. Apparently you cain't handle Shanghai Lil as a person, and instead come on here ranting about her Chinese- ness.
People here have made a basic mistake. This is not a website to give advise and for it to be "taken". This is a place to exchange ideas and opinions. I apologize if my comments are rants. I see rants all over the place online.
I was ignornant that so many Chinese are here and so I reminded them I enjoyed their country and people. I even respect quaint customs although I may have made fun of them.
You are not only ignorant that so many Chinese are here, you are ignorant of the fact that most here -whether Chinese or not - have sense and have sensibilities. And oh yeah - again with this imperialistic attitude - "no problem, solly, your country great, China wonderful" whilst your real attitude is "how quaint" to put it very mildly.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
11-16-09, 08:24
Don't sweat it. I won't mention anything more about the foibles of dating a Chinese woman in the golden state. Any other guys who are curious can find me. I'm still undecided if I really want to be a "responsible gentleman."
Thank you Mr. Dash!
SEAJ
And yet it is perfectly acceptable for you to not work for a year to take care of your mom - just coz she's American I guess. And like AsnDragon pointed out - would you object if Shanghai Lil was an American?
"Chinese or not" - you've hit it on the head. Apparently you cain't handle Shanghai Lil as a person, and instead come on here ranting about her Chinese- ness.
You are not only ignorant that so many Chinese are here, you are ignorant of the fact that most here -whether Chinese or not - have sense and have sensibilities. And oh yeah - again with this imperialistic attitude - "no problem, solly, your country great, China wonderful" whilst your real attitude is "how quaint" to put it very mildly.
SEAJ
The difference is her healthy parents have each other and their son. My mother had only me, and she had a terminal disease. Imperialist? I only rented, I never took. I thought the Germans, Japanese and English were the imperialists. Shanghai Lil (rod stewart "every picture tells a story") is hard to handle lately.
SE Asia Joe
11-16-09, 08:38
The difference is her healthy parents have each other and their son. My mother had only me, and she had a terminal disease. Imperialist? I only rented, I never took. I thought the Germans, Japanese and English were the imperialists. Shanghai Lil (rod stewart "every picture tells a story") is hard to handle lately.
GOOD GOD Mr. Sir Dash!
I've even already thanked you for saying that you ain't gonna write about Shanhgai Lil no more.... and not an hour passed by!!
Guys - I apologize for all this rant on MY part - but the guy will just not let it go will he??!!
Again sorry guys - I'll lay off the guy - unless of course if he comes on again and start with putting others down.... again!
SEAJ
GOOD GOD Mr. Sir Dash!
I've even already thanked you for saying that you ain't gonna write about Shanhgai Lil no more.... and not an hour passed by!!
Guys - I apologize for all this rant on MY part - but the guy will just not let it go will he??!!
Again sorry guys - I'll lay off the guy - unless of course if he comes on again and start with putting others down.... again!
SEAJ
I can still reply to posts can't I? Just no new updates. I never put anyone down. Actually, you have by calling the woman "over the hill" "washed up" etc.
SE Asia Joe
11-16-09, 08:59
I can still reply to posts can't I? Just no new updates. I never put anyone down. Actually, you have by calling the woman "over the hill" "washed up" etc.
My exact words were "..what most of us in China would consider as being damaged, discarded goods....." and I stand by that statement.
How else would/could one describe a woman who worked to support a Shanghainese guy who gambled away all her money away, then comes to the States to marry some unsophisticated old geezer - just because he has money - and then gets dumped by this same old geezer as she was trying to grab his $$?? And at 40+ years?
A young perfect specimen?
Over the hill, washed up - your words!
SEAJ
Ps. I wish... I really wish that we'd stop all this going back and forth. I'll take the lead and let you come back with whatever you want to come back with ONCE - and I'll let it drop. OK?
Fire Away!!
My exact words were "..what most of us in China would consider as being damaged, discarded goods....." and I stand by that statement.
How else would/could one describe a woman who worked to support a Shanghainese guy who gambled away all her money away, then comes to the States to marry some unsophisticated old geezer - just because he has money - and then gets dumped by this same old geezer as she was trying to grab his $$?? And at 40+ years?
A young perfect specimen?
Over the hill, washed up - your words!
SEAJ
Ps. I wish... I really wish that we'd stop all this going back and forth. I'll take the lead and let you come back with whatever you want to come back with ONCE - and I'll let it drop. OK?
Fire Away!!
I do not doubt that in Shanghai she is considered "damaged" by the local residents who can chase the tons of girls running around. She was divorced but the reason was she figured out the man would never let her study, learn, work. He married a professional Chinese and wanted a house cleaner, slave, pet. The guy forbade her to study and work. It was unjust, she could not have any retirement assets if she remained. She turned 40, but phyiscally she is an almost perfect specimen.
Ham Sap Lo
11-17-09, 00:57
Just thought I'd ask the old timers out there how long you can expect a sauna girl to keep working in the business (not necessarily the same sauna). A couple months? A year? From what I've read of the life, I doubt any these girls last past a half a year, nevermind a full year.
It's funny, there was a period of time where I was only into Sauna Girls because they gave good service. But slowly that mentality kind of died out a bit. In any case, from my personal experience, 4-6 months is their limit. I've rarely seen girls who work for more than 1 year, unless they are the "trainers" or "teachers" who teach each girl weekly techniques to brush up their skills. Trainers or teachers don't service many men, and sometimes never service any at all. But they last longer because they get high salary for not having to be licking and sucking men's toes and anuses all day long.
But most girls work on and off. Usually 3-6 months then they go home for a bit to rest up and spend all their money. Once their purses are dry, they come back to work again. Being a Sauna girls is just too damn tiring to last that long straight.
AsnDragon
Just thought I'd ask the old timers out there how long you can expect a sauna girl to keep working in the business (not necessarily the same sauna). A couple months? A year? From what I've read of the life, I doubt any these girls last past a half a year, nevermind a full year.
FernandoAlonso
11-17-09, 12:31
It's funny, there was a period of time where I was only into Sauna Girls because they gave good service. But slowly that mentality kind of died out a bit. In any case, from my personal experience, 4-6 months is their limit. I've rarely seen girls who work for more than 1 year, unless they are the "trainers" or "teachers" who teach each girl weekly techniques to brush up their skills. Trainers or teachers don't service many men, and sometimes never service any at all. But they last longer because they get high salary for not having to be licking and sucking men's toes and anuses all day long.
But most girls work on and off. Usually 3-6 months then they go home for a bit to rest up and spend all their money. Once their purses are dry, they come back to work again. Being a Sauna girls is just too damn tiring to last that long straight.
AsnDragonYep, they stay as long as they have to, they mostly hate it. When they have the money for sick mom, brothers house, lazy brothers wedding, lazy brothers study (?) etc. Etc. They return home or they find a sugardadddy or they find an ass****. The clever ones keep some money and start a better life. Shitty job, litterally.
FA
PS: nobody gets me wrong, I know a few quite well and admire their determination and some of them I even love, so no offence intended with this post!
FA,
I think you got it completely right! But i wanted to add this one story of mine. There's this one girl form Crown Prince Sauna. She was a 9 out of 10. Hunan girl, with perfect figure. 5 feet 5 inches, large breasts no fat anywhere except her ass and breasts. She had a really cute face. She's was one of the most popular girl in the Sauna, being booked from when she started to work until she got off work. Servicing about 5 customers a day plus. Since they get tipped 500 RMB at this place per customer, she was raking in 3000 RMB a day. She had a great attitude and gave great service with a smile too!
When i asked her what her plans were after working at the Sauna, she told me that her Fiance and her would go back home to get married. I was stunned....Fiance? She told me that her fiance is currently living with her in the same apartment and knows and encourages her to work hard at a Sauna servicing all these mongers- 5-6 times a day. So here's a story of this great girl, who's being encouraged by her future husband to sell her body so that he can marry her and be set for the rest of their lives using all the money she's accumulated over the last few months. Unscrupulous...but then again, TIC= This Is China.
She left after 5 months. She never came back. She was so popular that the manager kept her number vacant, just in case she wanted to come back to work again. It's been over a year already since I last saw her...Girls come and go in China. Enjoy while you can.
AsnDragon
Yep, they stay as long as they have to, they mostly hate it. When they have the money for sick mom, brothers house, lazy brothers wedding, lazy brothers study (?) etc. Etc. They return home or they find a sugardadddy or they find an ass****. The clever ones keep some money and start a better life. Shitty job, litterally.
FA
PS: nobody gets me wrong, I know a few quite well and admire their determination and some of them I even love, so no offence intended with this post!
SE Asia Joe
11-18-09, 07:31
FA,
I think you got it completely right! But i wanted to add this one story of mine. There's this one girl form Crown Prince Sauna. She was a 9 out of 10. Hunan girl, with perfect figure. 5 feet 5 inches, large breasts no fat anywhere except her ass and breasts. She had a really cute face. She's was one of the most popular girl in the Sauna, being booked from when she started to work until she got off work. Servicing about 5 customers a day plus. Since they get tipped 500 RMB at this place per customer, she was raking in 3000 RMB a day. She had a great attitude and gave great service with a smile too!
When i asked her what her plans were after working at the Sauna, she told me that her Fiance and her would go back home to get married. I was stunned....Fiance? She told me that her fiance is currently living with her in the same apartment and knows and encourages her to work hard at a Sauna servicing all these mongers- 5-6 times a day. So here's a story of this great girl, who's being encouraged by her future husband to sell her body so that he can marry her and be set for the rest of their lives using all the money she's accumulated over the last few months. Unscrupulous...but then again, TIC= This Is China.
She left after 5 months. She never came back. She was so popular that the manager kept her number vacant, just in case she wanted to come back to work again. It's been over a year already since I last saw her...Girls come and go in China. Enjoy while you can.
AsnDragon
I've often wondered what exactly do eventually happen to these gals who do exactly like your story above.
Countless times I've run into working gals who prostitute themselves to save up to have a meaningful real start to their rest of their lives - many times at the behest, encouragement or even threats and actual beatings from their "boyfriends."
I had always been of the opinion that these gals are truly foolish to believe that what they are doing is the right thing to do and that in fact, these Boyfriends are nothing but pimps who will go on to the next gal as soon she stops being "productive" for him. I always tell such a gal that the ONLY job that her BF has is the job of pleasing her and making her fall in love with him.
But surely this cannot be the case 100% of the time?
That these "Boyfriends" are ALL like I described?
Surely there ARE cases where the guy and gal do get married and live happily ever after?
Or am I just dreamin'?
SEAJ
SeaJoe,
Your idealism would be the perfect story. I'm sure that some, a very small portion, do have a happier story later on. With a lot of luck and a lot of brains they might be able to use their earnings from the Sauna to put forth in something else that generates some sort of income. But in my personal opinion, it's difficult. Many may try, but even really smart and well capitalized businessmen fail at business in China more times than not. The degree of success I believe is slim. Sorry if I'm taking on the more cynical view of things. But if you give someone with NO money management skills a whole lot of money all at once, it's hard for them to know what to do with the money except for spending and squandering it away.
Now, I believe that we see more of these girls being pimped out by their BF's because we tend to stay around the CP/Dongguan Area, where many of the girls are just plain young. inexperienced and foolish when it comes to relationships. What can you expect out of a 17-19 year old girl from the village who live innocent and carefree lives? Many of them are idealistic, foolish and easily tricked and swayed by their pimp boyfriends to be in this line of work. Therefore, I believe that if the girls we meet are much older, perhaps in the mid to late 20's, they will not be as foolish as younger girls in their late teens. But let's face it, in CP we hardly ever see WG that surpass 23 or 24 so we hear more of the young and foolish girls who fall as prey to these unscrupulous boys.
Is it just me, or I seem to get the impression that China females are harder working than China males. Do i just have skewed view of things here?
AsnDragon
I've often wondered what exactly do eventually happen to these gals who do exactly like your story above.
Countless times I've run into working gals who prostitute themselves to save up to have a meaningful real start to their rest of their lives - many times at the behest, encouragement or even threats and actual beatings from their "boyfriends."
I had always been of the opinion that these gals are truly foolish to believe that what they are doing is the right thing to do and that in fact, these Boyfriends are nothing but pimps who will go on to the next gal as soon she stops being "productive" for him. I always tell such a gal that the ONLY job that her BF has is the job of pleasing her and making her fall in love with him.
But surely this cannot be the case 100% of the time?
That these "Boyfriends" are ALL like I described?
Surely there ARE cases where the guy and gal do get married and live happily ever after?
Or am I just dreamin'?
SEAJ
SeaJoe,
Your idealism would be the perfect story. I'm sure that some, a very small portion, do have a happier story later on. With a lot of luck and a lot of brains they might be able to use their earnings from the Sauna to put forth in something else that generates some sort of income. But in my personal opinion, it's difficult. Many may try, but even really smart and well capitalized businessmen fail at business in China more times than not. The degree of success I believe is slim. Sorry if I'm taking on the more cynical view of things. But if you give someone with NO money management skills a whole lot of money all at once, it's hard for them to know what to do with the money except for spending and squandering it away.
Now, I believe that we see more of these girls being pimped out by their BF's because we tend to stay around the CP/Dongguan Area, where many of the girls are just plain young. inexperienced and foolish when it comes to relationships. What can you expect out of a 17-19 year old girl from the village who live innocent and carefree lives? Many of them are idealistic, foolish and easily tricked and swayed by their pimp boyfriends to be in this line of work. Therefore, I believe that if the girls we meet are much older, perhaps in the mid to late 20's, they will not be as foolish as younger girls in their late teens. But let's face it, in CP we hardly ever see WG that surpass 23 or 24 so we hear more of the young and foolish girls who fall as prey to these unscrupulous boys.
Is it just me, or I seem to get the impression that China females are harder working than China males. Do i just have skewed view of things here?
AsnDragon
You have lazy men and lazy women just like everywhere else. While a lot of WGs work hard to support lazy BFs/brothers/family members there are also the hard working men who work in construction sites or as labourers. I certainly would not want to be a construction worker in GD working under the sun in the middle of the day! And I certainly would not want to wear dress pants like a lot of them do (what is up with that as well??? Never been able to figure that out).
What can you expect out of a 17-19 year old girl from the village who live innocent and carefree lives? Many of them are idealistic, foolish and easily tricked and swayed by their pimp boyfriends to be in this line of work.
The pimp-WG relationship is very hard to understand. Most logical explanations don’t apply. The strangest one I experienced was in Germany with a tall, statuesque blonde in her late 30’s. A hardened and definitely not stupid pro. I hired her when I had clients who had pretty strange desires. She performed wonderfully. I never fucked her. Statuesque blondes don’t work for me. We had a professional friendly relationship. We had regular dinners, and she filed detailed after-action reports about the sessions with my clients. She had a slight lesbian bent, not unusual in the biz.
She had a pimp who lived thousands of kilometers away on the Canary Islands. He was Vienna/Russian mafia and lived there with several girlfriends. Once a month, she hopped on a plane, went from Germany to the Canaries and brought him his 50%. He had that much power over her. I then succeeded in talking her into setting 10% aside before she split the money. It’s an old trick to break the spell. It worked. He finally let her go, after she paid him 50,000 EUR. Some of the WG-pimp relationships are submissive-dominant, where both actually get a kick out of it. Too hard for most of us to understand.
Is it just me, or I seem to get the impression that China females are harder working than China males. Do i just have skewed view of things here?
I am having the same impression.
OldAsiaHand
11-18-09, 11:58
She turned 40, but phyiscally she is an almost perfect specimen.
Dash,
I am sure you would agree that most of us lower our expectations living for extended periods of time in the USA vs. China. I sure do.
Therefore, a 40 yo in the USA looks a lot better since we do not have the easy access to the younger chicks that we do in China.
Just my POV.
OAH
. I certainly would not want to be a construction worker in GD working under the sun in the middle of the day! And I certainly would not want to wear dress pants like a lot of them do (what is up with that as well??? Never been able to figure that out).
I had a friend ask me to buy him some work gear as its around $40 a shirt back home. They don't sell it here unless you buy a 40 foot container, Guess its cheaper to wear someones old suit.
Bob Builder
11-18-09, 15:00
You have lazy men and lazy women just like everywhere else. While a lot of WGs work hard to support lazy BFs/brothers/family members there are also the hard working men who work in construction sites or as labourers. I certainly would not want to be a construction worker in GD working under the sun in the middle of the day! And I certainly would not want to wear dress pants like a lot of them do (what is up with that as well??? Never been able to figure that out).
They are cheaper than jeans and you can get a street vendor tailor to throw you together a suit for under RMB100.
No US100 Levis here.
It is also harder for men to get work in Southern China as apart from heavy manual work employers prefer to hire women for a number of reasons.
SE Asia Joe
11-18-09, 15:17
SeaJoe,
Your idealism would be the perfect story. I'm sure that some, a very small portion, do have a happier story later on. With a lot of luck and a lot of brains they might be able to use their earnings from the Sauna to put forth in something else that generates some sort of income. But in my personal opinion, it's difficult. Many may try, but even really smart and well capitalized businessmen fail at business in China more times than not. The degree of success I believe is slim. Sorry if I'm taking on the more cynical view of things. But if you give someone with NO money management skills a whole lot of money all at once, it's hard for them to know what to do with the money except for spending and squandering it away.
Now, I believe that we see more of these girls being pimped out by their BF's because we tend to stay around the CP/Dongguan Area, where many of the girls are just plain young. inexperienced and foolish when it comes to relationships. What can you expect out of a 17-19 year old girl from the village who live innocent and carefree lives? Many of them are idealistic, foolish and easily tricked and swayed by their pimp boyfriends to be in this line of work. Therefore, I believe that if the girls we meet are much older, perhaps in the mid to late 20's, they will not be as foolish as younger girls in their late teens. But let's face it, in CP we hardly ever see WG that surpass 23 or 24 so we hear more of the young and foolish girls who fall as prey to these unscrupulous boys.
Is it just me, or I seem to get the impression that China females are harder working than China males. Do i just have skewed view of things here?
AsnDragon
Yeah - I agree that their chances of success is very limited... and its sort of heart breaking as they'd gambled their youth AND dignity to build up the nest egg....which gets lost so meaninglessly.
Worse though are those who never even managed to save up anything at all - after taking care of their "family obligations" with some of their hard earned money, the rest gets blood sucked by their pimp boyfriends.
And yes, I definitely do think that PRC womenfolks works a lot a lot harder than the menfolks. All you'd have to do is to see our favorite seamstress in CP who's working away at her little sewing machine from 10 in the morning to well over midnight everyday, day after day, hot, cold, sunshine or rain (for those who may need some tailoring, clothes repair etc, she's the gal in front of the Video shop closest to the Swan Lake hotel - good work at very reasonable prices - to the point that we'd always way over tip her!! Yeah Yeah Yeah - BSD's!!).
And that was what I observed each time that I ran a business in China - the gals would be fabulous and hard working and the guys would be lazy pain in the neck experts only at complaints and what they'd think is office politics. Idiots!!
SEAJ
Dash,
I am sure you would agree that most of us lower our expectations living for extended periods of time in the USA vs. China. I sure do.
Therefore, a 40 yo in the USA looks a lot better since we do not have the easy access to the younger chicks that we do in China.
Just my POV.
OAH
I appreciate your comment. I firstly defended the woman because of disparaging remarks, and I only wanted to set the record straight: her body is fantastic.
I definitely have lower expectations here, for many reasons. Certainly I would not expect every woman I met when traveling the USA to email me and ask me to come visit her. This can only happen to me in China. The place is so awesome, too bad out of laziness I go to Mexico for my vacations and girl hunting expeditions. If I can figure out how to tolerate 18 hour flights and jet lag, I'd love to go visit. I think there are 20 years worth of interesting things to see in China, the girls are a bonus. But, each time I think to myself "3.5 hours to Baja California Sur, beaches, sun and babes." I give in to my laziness. I like surfing, sailing, diving, fishing and I speak fluent Spanish so the scales tip down south.
But the Chinese girls are fabulous. I wish Mao had fulfilled his promise to Kissinger to send us a few million of them :)
The dress pants is an interesting comment. When i first came to china in 2000, i saw that everyone man was wearing dress pants, even the construction workers and tricycle drivers as well. I was thinking in my head "wow, these blue collar workers in China dress better and look more professional than me." Even as i walked by the sidewalk and saw construction workers digging a ditch in the mud or cleaning up the bathrooms, these guys wore better pants, and had a cleaner looking belt than me.
So i went off to ask around what was the deal? Answer is, it's cheaper for them to buy these dress pants than to buy jeans back in the days. I have a Guangzhou friend who's business has been in the tailoring business. He told me couple decades back when China was opening up they were heavily invested in textiles. Apparently many of the cheaper suit pants and suits were made early on in china. These pants and suits were mass manufactuered and was cheaper than buying blue jeans back in the days. Apparently many people just took up this style as the norm throughout the years.
This is what my friend told me. Of course today is a bit different as jeans and other clothing is just as cheap. But i guess hard habits are hard to kick?
AsnDragon
You have lazy men and lazy women just like everywhere else. While a lot of WGs work hard to support lazy BFs/brothers/family members there are also the hard working men who work in construction sites or as labourers. I certainly would not want to be a construction worker in GD working under the sun in the middle of the day! And I certainly would not want to wear dress pants like a lot of them do (what is up with that as well??? Never been able to figure that out).
My theory about why men in China are more lazy is due to their culture and also their one child policy that has shaped their culture over the years.
Firstly, the culture in China is that supposedly having a boy is more precious than having a daughter. Therefore, their culture and ways spoil the men. They treat their sons like they are little emperors and treat their daughters (at least in the past and in villages) as inferior in comparison. Thus, you see these working girls work their butts off to earn money to give to their parents, which the parents end up giving it all to the son anyhow. I mean, i was appalled at how the girls have to work and earn money to send back home so that their Brother can build a house when he gets married. China is very extreme in this area.
In addition, having the one child policy has exacerbated the situation further, where parents treat their only son even better and spoil them even more.
In comparison to other Chinese societies in other countries such as Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore or any of the overseas Chinese living in South East Asia, China is extreme. Personally having been to all these countries, i find that there's a bit more of a daughter and son preferential balance in other countries. But in China...I just feel bad for all the girls that sacrifice their whole lives away just to help out the brother(s) in the family.
Hence SEAJoe, that's why I think most of the guys you encounter in China are useless, because they have been to spoiled by everyone in the family. They cannot take the stress and backbreaking work that al the females are use to enduring throughout their life.
Even Dash has experienced this first hand. His 40 year old GF, even after being married, is still worrying about her "brother" who's getting nowhere in China.
Although the characters and setting may be different, but the story recycles into so many people's lives in China.
AsnDragon
Yeah - I agree that their chances of success is very limited... and its sort of heart breaking as they'd gambled their youth AND dignity to build up the nest egg....which gets lost so meaninglessly.
Worse though are those who never even managed to save up anything at all - after taking care of their "family obligations" with some of their hard earned money, the rest gets blood sucked by their pimp boyfriends.
And yes, I definitely do think that PRC womenfolks works a lot a lot harder than the menfolks. All you'd have to do is to see our favorite seamstress in CP who's working away at her little sewing machine from 10 in the morning to well over midnight everyday, day after day, hot, cold, sunshine or rain (for those who may need some tailoring, clothes repair etc, she's the gal in front of the Video shop closest to the Swan Lake hotel - good work at very reasonable prices - to the point that we'd always way over tip her!! Yeah Yeah Yeah - BSD's!!).
And that was what I observed each time that I ran a business in China - the gals would be fabulous and hard working and the guys would be lazy pain in the neck experts only at complaints and what they'd think is office politics. Idiots!!
SEAJ
That's why OAH is smarter and moved to China instead of being in The US and rot away in boredom. Gotta give it to you OAH, you make all the right moves.
AsnDragon
Dash,
I am sure you would agree that most of us lower our expectations living for extended periods of time in the USA vs. China. I sure do.
Therefore, a 40 yo in the USA looks a lot better since we do not have the easy access to the younger chicks that we do in China.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
11-20-09, 02:47
I had a friend ask me to buy him some work gear as its around $40 a shirt back home. They don't sell it here unless you buy a 40 foot container, Guess its cheaper to wear someones old suit.
Jamie5063,
Yes, you will not find much of what is exported from China in a local Chinese department store, however, you can often find them in "branded" goods shops in some hotels and in the malls like Luohu in Shenzhen or Silk Market in Beijing. You must be careful to distinguish the "real thing" from fakes. The "real thing" is either a production overrun or made during "extra hours" at a licensed factory with the same materials by the same people. The fakes are just copies with cheaper materials.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
11-20-09, 02:51
That's why OAH is smarter and moved to China instead of being in The US and rot away in boredom. Gotta give it to you OAH, you make all the right moves.
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
Thanks for the compliment, however, living in China is not always a bed of roses. In my case, the access to the girls outweighs all the other inefficiencies and difficulties of daily life. For others, this may not be the case. It takes quite a bit of adjustment and tolerance.
Just my POV.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
11-20-09, 06:51
The dress pants is an interesting comment. When i first came to china in 2000, i saw that everyone man was wearing dress pants, even the construction workers and tricycle drivers as well. I was thinking in my head "wow, these blue collar workers in China dress better and look more professional than me." Even as i walked by the sidewalk and saw construction workers digging a ditch in the mud or cleaning up the bathrooms, these guys wore better pants, and had a cleaner looking belt than me.
So i went off to ask around what was the deal? Answer is, it's cheaper for them to buy these dress pants than to buy jeans back in the days. I have a Guangzhou friend who's business has been in the tailoring business. He told me couple decades back when China was opening up they were heavily invested in textiles. Apparently many of the cheaper suit pants and suits were made early on in china. These pants and suits were mass manufactuered and was cheaper than buying blue jeans back in the days. Apparently many people just took up this style as the norm throughout the years.
This is what my friend told me. Of course today is a bit different as jeans and other clothing is just as cheap. But i guess hard habits are hard to kick?
AsnDragon
Actually.... there's one more reason for all the dress pants that a lot of Chinese wear everyday.
Most clothing are bought by the Chinese just prior to the Chinese New Year - especially by these migrant workers before they go back home. And they'd mostly buy suits and dress pants as this is what they plan on wearing to celebrate the New Year and when they go out and visit relatives/friends. They'd NOT want to be wearing jeans or other sloppy/rough quality/work wear etc and prefer to flaunt their "success" by wearing dress clothes.
After the Chinese new year - what to do with these nice clothes? Wear them of course! Even when they're digging trenches back in Shenzhen, Beijing or wherever they go to to work.
IMHO
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
11-20-09, 07:09
I appreciate your comment. I firstly defended the woman because of disparaging remarks, and I only wanted to set the record straight: her body is fantastic.
Ok, OK!! I believe you! That her body is fantastic and perfect. But I betcha that lots of guys here DON'T! So howzabout my previous suggestion - that you post up her picture.
You don't have to show the face or you may want to blur out her facial features - a trick I'd just learned from John Dao and instruction on which I posted up in the Photo Gallery chit chat thread.
And whilst you're at it - my previous suggestion for you to post up YOUR picture as you've been telling us all that you're a cut higher - way higher - above all the other Americans in the looks department.
I definitely have lower expectations here, for many reasons. Certainly I would not expect every woman I met when traveling the USA to email me and ask me to come visit her. This can only happen to me in China. The place is so awesome, too bad out of laziness I go to Mexico for my vacations and girl hunting expeditions. If I can figure out how to tolerate 18 hour flights and jet lag, I'd love to go visit. I think there are 20 years worth of interesting things to see in China, the girls are a bonus. But, each time I think to myself "3.5 hours to Baja California Sur, beaches, sun and babes." I give in to my laziness. I like surfing, sailing, diving, fishing and I speak fluent Spanish so the scales tip down south.
But the Chinese girls are fabulous. I wish Mao had fulfilled his promise to Kissinger to send us a few million of them :)
It's only a 14 hour flight and less when coming back (West coast).
Come on over..... heck, can you imagine how much more you could write about China AFTER you come back? Then your word would truly be infallible and you'd be a true bonafide China Expert then!!
Muahahaha!
SEAJ
Ok, OK!! I believe you! That her body is fantastic and perfect. But I betcha that lots of guys here DON'T! So howzabout my previous suggestion - that you post up her picture.
You don't have to show the face or you may want to blur out her facial features - a trick I'd just learned from John Dao and instruction on which I posted up in the Photo Gallery chit chat thread.
And whilst you're at it - my previous suggestion for you to post up YOUR picture as you've been telling us all that you're a cut higher - way higher - above all the other Americans in the looks department.
It's only a 14 hour flight and less when coming back (West coast).
Come on over..... heck, can you imagine how much more you could write about China AFTER you come back? Then your word would truly be infallible and you'd be a true bonafide China Expert then!!
Muahahaha!
SEAJ
I will post my picture as soon as the other people do. A hooker website should be great for my image. Please find the post where I claim to be Brad Pitt. I didn't say I was so great compared to Americans. I cannot say why some girls were friendly, but the ones I actually went to my room with were paid.
SE Asia Joe
11-20-09, 10:12
. Please find the post where I claim to be Brad Pitt. I didn't say I was so great compared to Americans. .
Oh my my my - how soon one forgets!!
Just a couple of your statements:
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because I look very unlike the average person, including the Western dudes in suits
.........
I have known Chinese here and they have probably not met many american guys who are not older men in suits
SEAJ
Oh my my my - how soon one forgets!!
Just a couple of your statements:
............
because I look very unlike the average person, including the Western dudes in suits
.........
I have known Chinese here and they have probably not met many american guys who are not older men in suits
SEAJ
I don't look old, and I was not wearing a suit. I'm tall, tanned, athletic and not pasty. The cute sichuan girl who went to my room thought I was 35. Keep that thought :)
I don't look old, and I was not wearing a suit. I'm tall, tanned, athletic and not pasty. The cute sichuan girl who went to my room thought I was 35. Keep that thought :)
This sichuan girl was a WG? It is not unusual for a WG to give their customers a compliment, after all they do want to get paid...duh
This sichuan girl was a WG? It is not unusual for a WG to give their customers a compliment, after all they do want to get paid...duh
She made a guess. She was paid for in advance, part of the excellent hotel service. Duh.
She made a guess. She was paid for in advance, part of the excellent hotel service. Duh.
Who pays a hooker in advance???
Chocha Monger
11-21-09, 00:14
Some Chinese girls make a big deal over big dicks claiming that their pussies are too tight and will get damaged but they don't seem to make this argument about their assholes. Do Chinese girls with small pussies prefer to take it up the ass?
Who pays a hooker in advance???
Either I paid in advance or the price was agreed in advance, frankly, now I can't recall. The person who told me her price was a hotel employee, so I had no money discussion with the cutie. See her in photos, she was a doll.
Some Chinese girls make a big deal over big dicks claiming that their pussies are too tight and will get damaged but they don't seem to make this argument about their assholes. Do Chinese girls with small pussies prefer to take it up the ass?
A pussy is like a rubber band. Stretch it and let it go. It snaps back to the original size (well, a baby's shoulders may be different).
Bob Builder
11-21-09, 02:32
Some Chinese girls make a big deal over big dicks claiming that their pussies are too tight and will get damaged but they don't seem to make this argument about their assholes. Do Chinese girls with small pussies prefer to take it up the ass?
And how much success have you had in this regard? I think you don't get any complaints as that door is usually locked shut.
OldAsiaHand
11-21-09, 03:49
She made a guess. She was paid for in advance, part of the excellent hotel service. Duh.
Dash,
It doesn't matter. You could have given her a tip. Nearly all girls in the industry will tell you you look younger than you are. I get the same thing all the time and I really look like an old geezer.
Just my POV.
OAH
Chocha Monger
11-21-09, 05:00
And how much success have you had in this regard? I think you don't get any complaints as that door is usually locked shut.
Bob:
True, I haven't had much success over the long term but I've managed to nail a few Chinese girls in the ass. Once in a while I'll run into a girl when fortune smiles on me and her brown-eye winks at me like a one-eyed dragon. Anyway, the back door is usually off limits I suspect due to a high rice diet which is enough to make the girls scared of making a trip to crapper when constipated let alone holding still for a vigorous butt-fucking.
I thought I'd ask to see if anyone had a different experience because as they say your mileage may vary.
Professor 1
11-21-09, 05:03
Bob:
True, I haven't had much success over the long term but I've managed to nail a few Chinese girls in the ass. Once in a while I'll run into a girl when fortune smiles on me and her brown-eye winks at me like a one-eyed dragon. Anyway, the back door is usually off limits I suspect due to a high rice diet which is enough to make the girls scared of making a trip to crapper when constipated let alone holding still for a vigorous butt-fucking.
I thought I'd ask to see if anyone had a different experience because as they say your mileage may vary.
Met a Chinese girl in Bangkok who provided, but never been to PRC. The visa issue makes me nervous. :)
SE Asia Joe
11-21-09, 06:17
Bob:
True, I haven't had much success over the long term but I've managed to nail a few Chinese girls in the ass. Once in a while I'll run into a girl when fortune smiles on me and her brown-eye winks at me like a one-eyed dragon. Anyway, the back door is usually off limits I suspect due to a ..............
You REALLY must be sauced!! Not 6 hours ago you wrote
Some Chinese girls make a big deal over big dicks claiming that their pussies are too tight and will get damaged but they don't seem to make this argument about their assholes.
If you're trying to spam us, at least be a bit consistent!!
SEAJ
Well, I usually try to do them backdoor too. I almost always ask but not in a pushy way.
I will ask them whether they have done it "here" before, while gently rubbing their butthole. They say no.
Would they like to? They say "Pa Tong" (afraid of the pain).
I will then point out, that when they take a shit, it comes out "this big" (while making a circle with thumb and index finger almost as thick as my dick)
Usually the girl will say it's just not the same. But a couple of weeks ago, the girl said: when I take a shit, it comes out liquid. It's never thicker than a strand of spaghetti so it never hurts.
Given the hygiene of the food here, especially what the girls eat, it's probably true. They probably do have chronic diarrhea.
I didn't know what to say, didn't have a comeback for her. Anyone here with any ideas?
Bob:
True, I haven't had much success over the long term but I've managed to nail a few Chinese girls in the ass. Once in a while I'll run into a girl when fortune smiles on me and her brown-eye winks at me like a one-eyed dragon. Anyway, the back door is usually off limits I suspect due to a high rice diet which is enough to make the girls scared of making a trip to crapper when constipated let alone holding still for a vigorous butt-fucking.
I thought I'd ask to see if anyone had a different experience because as they say your mileage may vary.
SE Asia Joe
11-21-09, 19:42
. But a couple of weeks ago, the girl said: when I take a shit, it comes out liquid. It's never thicker than a strand of spaghetti so it never hurts.
Given the hygiene of the food here, especially what the girls eat, it's probably true. They probably do have chronic diarrhea.
I didn't know what to say, didn't have a comeback for her. Anyone here with any ideas?
GROSS, GROSS, GROSS!!
And my friend, you still went ahead and did her didn't you?
DIDN'T YOU??!!
Gross!!
SEAJ
Well, I usually try to do them backdoor too. I almost always ask but not in a pushy way.
I will ask them whether they have done it "here" before, while gently rubbing their butthole. They say no.
I didn't know what to say, didn't have a comeback for her. Anyone here with any ideas?
Show her this question:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070605102213AAmkVNK
Tell her it does.
more:
http://www.erosblog.com/2007/06/22/pass-it-on-anal-sex-makes-your-butt-biggerer/
South Gate
11-22-09, 07:06
That still has me rolling.
There are research reports saying that frequent sex increases life expectancy.
Show her this question:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070605102213AAmkVNK
Tell her it does.
more:
http://www.erosblog.com/2007/06/22/pass-it-on-anal-sex-makes-your-butt-biggerer/
Bob Builder
11-22-09, 09:11
Well, I usually try to do them backdoor too. I almost always ask but not in a pushy way.
I will ask them whether they have done it "here" before, while gently rubbing their butthole. They say no.
Would they like to? They say "Pa Tong" (afraid of the pain).
I will then point out, that when they take a shit, it comes out "this big" (while making a circle with thumb and index finger almost as thick as my dick)
Usually the girl will say it's just not the same. But a couple of weeks ago, the girl said: when I take a shit, it comes out liquid. It's never thicker than a strand of spaghetti so it never hurts.
Given the hygiene of the food here, especially what the girls eat, it's probably true. They probably do have chronic diarrhea.
I didn't know what to say, didn't have a comeback for her. Anyone here with any ideas?
Why don't you both buy dildos and while in the gals company shove it up your own asses just to show them it doesn't hurt. Then the gal might not object... but I think not.
And in no way am I telling you guys to feck yourselves, LOL.
SE Asia Joe
11-22-09, 09:48
Why don't you both buy dildos and while in the gals company shove it up your own asses just to show them it doesn't hurt. Then the gal might not object... but I think not.
And in no way am I telling you guys to feck yourselves, LOL.
ROFLMAO!!!!!
SEAJ
You should know from sauna sessions that this is not gonna work. In a lot of sauna sessions, part of the routine, is for the girl to shove various vibrators and dildoes (and her tongue too) up your a-hole. If you say you don't like things up your backdoor (except her tongue of course), and why don't we reverse the situation and try to shove things up her backdoor, you will get a stern NO.
Moral of the story: just because it's OK for you, doesn't mean the girl will do it too. So, pointless to try. But I will leave it up to you to come up with more of these suggestions, as you seem to be more experienced in this.
Why don't you both buy dildos and while in the gals company shove it up your own asses just to show them it doesn't hurt. Then the gal might not object... but I think not.
And in no way am I telling you guys to feck yourselves, LOL.
Bob Builder
11-22-09, 10:28
You should know from sauna sessions that this is not gonna work. In a lot of sauna sessions, part of the routine, is for the girl to shove various vibrators and dildoes (and her tongue too) up your a-hole. If you say you don't like things up your backdoor (except her tongue of course), and why don't we reverse the situation and try to shove things up her backdoor, you will get a stern NO.
Moral of the story: just because it's OK for you, doesn't mean the girl will do it too. So, pointless to try. But I will leave it up to you to come up with more of these suggestions, as you seem to be more experienced in this.
W,
You are the one trying to convince the gal it doesn't hurt cause something bigger comes out but if you don't even buy that story, how are you going to convince her? In the end it doesn't matter whether they like it or not but how desparate they are for money and how much you are willing to pay.
Out of the many years I have been mongering here, I can count the gals willing to let me do the backdoor on 1 hand. Not too knowledgeable on suanas as they are not my thing but I did get anal at Dam Sui once a few years ago at a sauna there.
When sex was the main thing in getting a KTV gal and not wanting to be disappointed, when a gal sat down for the trial 10 - 15 minutes I would first ask if she "did anything" and if there is anything they can think of they don't do they should go and we wouldn't be both waste our times. 99.99% of gals, the first thing that they say they don't do is anal. They also say foreigners like doing that so that is why foreigners have an higher incident of AIDS(Not my viewpoint but a common belief amongst Chinese I have come across).
The biggest suprise I got with one which did do anal but her story was that she was not good looking and not making any money accompanying guys drinking who would tie her time up all night at a KTV for RMB100 as she was a good drinker but would not do her. I was her best customer for a time.
On the Hong Kong 141 sites you will find the only gals that do anal are over the hill pigs who literally need to do anything so that guys will go to them.
And yes, Joe, I went ahead and "did" her. Frontdoor that is, since she refused the backdoor. No sign of anal leakage from her during the deed.
GROSS, GROSS, GROSS!!
And my friend, you still went ahead and did her didn't you?
DIDN'T YOU??!!
Gross!!
SEAJ
Clean Gene
11-23-09, 08:25
Well,
Usually the girl will say it's just not the same. But a couple of weeks ago, the girl said: when I take a shit, it comes out liquid. It's never thicker than a strand of spaghetti so it never hurts.
Given the hygiene of the food here, especially what the girls eat, it's probably true. They probably do have chronic diarrhea.
Diarrhea is a serious problem in China, as well as many other developing areas. It is a major cause of infant death.
I often have three or four episodes of explosive liquid shit per day. A Chinese remedy, HuangLianSu, four tabs four times a day helps. I've been taking this, on and off. for over twenty five years now. Before the HuangLianSu, I'd sometimes have to just let it out. Makes a bigger clean up problem for a WG.
CG
To quote the great SEAJ ....GROSS, GROSS, GROSS
... and wasn't that "a bigger cleanup problem for a WC?"
It reminds me of a story Expat's wingman told me. After he had finished fucking a girl he found the bed covered with shit. So he said, " I had literally fucked the shit out of her!" :D
Where is our friend Expat? Never post's anymore.
OldAsiaHand
11-24-09, 15:16
It reminds me of a story Expat's wingman told me. After he had finished fucking a girl he found the bed covered with shit. So he said, " I had literally fucked the shit out of her!" :D
Where is our friend Expat? Never post's anymore.
I did a girl anal one time in Hanoi and all kinds of stuff came out. It looked like some kind of vegetable matter. She told me it was herbal medicine.
OAH
FernandoAlonso
11-24-09, 15:28
I did a girl anal one time in Hanoi and all kinds of stuff came out. It looked like some kind of vegetable matter. She told me it was herbal medicine.
OAHguys really you make me wish to give up the hobby. Can we get back to the topic?
Anal is something here in China not practised frequently so the chicks are afraid like hell. I got a GF that goes nuts from pleasure when you put fingers up her ass, she loves it, but get near with little tom and her sphincter cramps down, no spagetthi shit would come out. All pure psychology. So concerned this country as a mongering destination this is in principal a one whole region, we must be lucky we can get some to oral, but anal will be the exception, as sad as it is
Peace and please safe me the shit discussion.
FA
I should search the forum, but here is my question.
There is a Chinese girl who gave me a fabulous foot massage (wow, nice) here in the Golden state. She has been here 4 years. She was pretty hot, but of course "over the hill" by China standards. She pressed her ample tits on my feet at the beginning. By mistake?
After she asked a lot of "buying signal" questions of me, I was wondering if she would also give any attention to Mr. Duck Di Di.
BUT I would never want to offend her sensibilities.
She said she had done this job back in her native Dalian.
(The "foot massage" by the way went up to my thighs.)
I should search the forum, but here is my question.
There is a Chinese girl who gave me a fabulous foot massage (wow, nice) here in the Golden state. She has been here 4 years. She was pretty hot, but of course "over the hill" by China standards. She pressed her ample tits on my feet at the beginning. By mistake?
After she asked a lot of "buying signal" questions of me, I was wondering if she would also give any attention to Mr. Duck Di Di.
BUT I would never want to offend her sensibilities.
She said she had done this job back in her native Dalian.
(The "foot massage" by the way went up to my thighs.)
As an experienced monger, 161 posts, Zhongguo tong, you need to ask?
I wonderred like you guys before.
Then they told me the answer. It can go like that not much bec of whatever, but they both agree to believe the marriage is a business, that is to make money right from themselves
So that is why the guy can tell the girl to sell her body since there is nothing to make money at hometown. Cash just doesn't flow there.
She agrees with him since she knows he needs her a provider. The beating and exploiting gives her a proud quiet feelings of being traditional lover overcoming hardship, which is a sort of mindblowing or massage therapy disguised in domestic violence. Anyway her pleasures are promoted first. And while she is working, he is home popping another girls too. Then they cover both fantasy, fun, and business together.
Back to hometown is just the better way to make their yuans go longer. It costs cheaper to live at home, or they can open a shop there.
I used to see a super pretty big girl family style at jinan sofitel. Just 2 months later I could not find her again.
The things we see are not stories, those are their business and we got to go business if we want some.
I've often wondered what exactly do eventually happen to these gals who do exactly like your story above.
Countless times I've run into working gals who prostitute themselves to save up to have a meaningful real start to their rest of their lives. Many times at the behest, encouragement or even threats and actual beatings from their "boyfriends. "
I had always been of the opinion that these gals are truly foolish to believe that what they are doing is the right thing to do and that in fact, these Boyfriends are nothing but pimps who will go on to the next gal as soon she stops being "productive" for him. I always tell such a gal that the ONLY job that her BF has is the job of pleasing her and making her fall in love with him.
But surely this cannot be the case 100% of the time?
That these "Boyfriends" are ALL like I described?
Surely there ARE cases where the guy and gal do get married and live happily ever after?
Or am I just dreamin'?
SEAJ
As an experienced monger, 161 posts, Zhongguo tong, you need to ask?
Et tu, Blair?
Cooler Wolf2
12-01-09, 09:03
I should search the forum, but here is my question.
There is a Chinese girl who gave me a fabulous foot massage (wow, nice) here in the Golden state. She has been here 4 years. She was pretty hot, but of course "over the hill" by China standards. ....
She said she had done this job back in her native Dalian.
What was her name? Not CiCi by any chance?
What was her name? Not CiCi by any chance?
She says her name is "Judy".
SE Asia Joe
12-03-09, 08:17
I wonderred like you guys before.
Then they told me the answer. It can go like that not much bec of whatever, but they both agree to believe the marriage is a business, that is to make money right from themselves
So that is why the guy can tell the girl to sell her body since there is nothing to make money at hometown. Cash just doesn't flow there.
She agrees with him since she knows he needs her a provider. The beating and exploiting gives her a proud quiet feelings of being traditional lover overcoming hardship, which is a sort of mindblowing or massage therapy disguised in domestic violence. Anyway her pleasures are promoted first. And while she is working, he is home popping another girls too. Then they cover both fantasy, fun, and business together.
Back to hometown is just the better way to make their yuans go longer. It costs cheaper to live at home, or they can open a shop there.
I used to see a super pretty big girl family style at jinan sofitel. Just 2 months later I could not find her again.
The things we see are not stories, those are their business and we got to go business if we want some.
My apologies - but I am having a bit of difficulty understanding what you mean exactly. Are you saying that most times, it's a conscious decision by BOTH the guy and the gal for her to become a hooker as there is not much else that they can do to make money? And that the beating is "accepted" by the gal as the "dues" she has to pay as a sacrifice towards the marriage or relationship to work - that this is the "lot" of womenfolk in Chinese society - to bear all the hardship for the family.
If so, I agree that this is probably the psyche in most of these relationship - BUT that the guy is truly a bastard for exploiting the natural weakness and tendencies of Chinese girls. He is NOT doing it for "a family" but doing it all for his own selfish aims PERIOD! He's not around to have family but to have a good time exploiting all the earning power of the gal.
And lots of gals here are so preconditioned by their own families saying for their whole life that gals are "useless" that they just go along with these pimps as if it is truly their calling life. One of my regulars became a WG when her mom got sick (the dad had a few years ago disappeared leaving a trail of gambling debts in his wake) and when the mom went around to friends and family, all of them instead told her "what a pity you didn't have a son who would be able to pay for you" and turned their backs on her. Whilst the truth of the matter is that a very large number of families in China Are actually supported by their daughters working their hands.... and many times, their bodies.... to the bones. But that is the mindset of most of the Chinese - especially in the rural areas.
SEAJ
My apologies - but I am having a bit of difficulty understanding what you mean exactly. Are you saying that most times, it's a conscious decision by BOTH the guy and the gal for her to become a hooker as there is not much else that they can do to make money? And that the beating is "accepted" by the gal as the "dues" she has to pay as a sacrifice towards the marriage or relationship to work - that this is the "lot" of womenfolk in Chinese society - to bear all the hardship for the family.
If so, I agree that this is probably the psyche in most of these relationship - BUT that the guy is truly a bastard for exploiting the natural weakness and tendencies of Chinese girls. He is NOT doing it for "a family" but doing it all for his own selfish aims PERIOD! He's not around to have family but to have a good time exploiting all the earning power of the gal.
And lots of gals here are so preconditioned by their own families saying for their whole life that gals are "useless" that they just go along with these pimps as if it is truly their calling life. One of my regulars became a WG when her mom got sick (the dad had a few years ago disappeared leaving a trail of gambling debts in his wake) and when the mom went around to friends and family, all of them instead told her "what a pity you didn't have a son who would be able to pay for you" and turned their backs on her. Whilst the truth of the matter is that a very large number of families in China Are actually supported by their daughters working their hands.... and many times, their bodies.... to the bones. But that is the mindset of most of the Chinese - especially in the rural areas.
SEAJ
Those poor women. It's so unfair. It's amazing they can keep a pleasant demeanor with their horrible situation. Sounds like a story from an American ghetto, loser men leaving suffering women behind.
I knew a 25 yo normal girl through a dating site in
Guangzhou. She is a 7 in looks slim with A cup and work as a clerk. We got into a boy-girlfriend relationship and lived together in my apartment for few months but when I rejected her idea of getting married, she left me and went to Fuzhou to work and started to look for a husband through recomendations by parents and dating sites.
We still maintain contact through phone and QQ and she seems not being able to find the type of man she fancies to marry and met quite a few married man pretending to be single to get into her pants.
She view sex as an important part of marriage and wanted a sizeable dick often confiding in me on these matters.
I made it clear that I will not marry her, but she just wants me to visit her so she can sleep with someone especially now in winter.
I have made several trips visiting her till now by booking a hotel for a week or so while she will come after work to stay with me and yes she wants me to hug her everynight. Found a nice clean cheap motel 90rmb a night with internet LAN see pics
We will go for shopping and dine in restaurant during weekends when she is not working and on weekdays I would just surf the net most of the time inside the hotel using her laptop while waiting for her to get off work to dine together.
When I leave would just give her some spending money though she did not asked.
She said to me ; I AM SO CHEAP SLEEPING WITH YOU THOUGH YOU WOULD NOT MARRY ME
I knew a 25 yo normal girl through a dating site in
Guangzhou. She is a 7 in looks slim with A cup and work as a clerk. We got into a boy-girlfriend relationship and lived together in my apartment for few months but when I rejected her idea of getting married, she left me and went to Fuzhou to work and started to look for a husband through recomendations by parents and dating sites.
We still maintain contact through phone and QQ and she seems not being able to find the type of man she fancies to marry and met quite a few married man pretending to be single to get into her pants.
She view sex as an important part of marriage and wanted a sizeable dick often confiding in me on these matters.
I made it clear that I will not marry her, but she just wants me to visit her so she can sleep with someone especially now in winter.
I have made several trips visiting her till now by booking a hotel for a week or so while she will come after work to stay with me and yes she wants me to hug her everynight. Found a nice clean cheap motel 90rmb a night with internet LAN see pics
We will go for shopping and dine in restaurant during weekends when she is not working and on weekdays I would just surf the net most of the time inside the hotel using her laptop while waiting for her to get off work to dine together.
When I leave would just give her some spending money though she did not asked.
She said to me ; I AM SO CHEAP SLEEPING WITH YOU THOUGH YOU WOULD NOT MARRY ME
OK good for you.
What is the point of your post?
ES
Cooler Wolf2
12-22-09, 17:37
OK good for you.
What is the point of your post?
ES
Eaglestar,
You have my absolute respect on being a master-freebie hunter in Shanghai and/or online, but don't you think you are being a little harsh on him?
He was upfront with the girl and she came back for more. Does this not ring any bells?
However, I will agree his (IMHO) gloating in the last sentence was a somewhat uncalled for.
Good to see you are still alive and kicking. Any chance you will be back in Shanghai anytime in the near future?
OK good for you.
What is the point of your post?
ES
Thanks for the insight to Chinese culture would that happen in the states no way. Hotel pics well I suppose I would pay more and get the same its interesting to see what you can get. Keep sharing. Eaglestar is a nice guy hes been out of China too long.
Thanks for the insight to Chinese culture would that happen in the states no way. Hotel pics well I suppose I would pay more and get the same its interesting to see what you can get. Keep sharing. Eaglestar is a nice guy hes been out of China too long.
Yepp, I thought that would be the last I see her after she left and was surprised at the outcome.
She is now asking me to rent a place for about 1000yuan including utilities a month so she could be with me on a permanent basis.
I thought sex would be boring after staying together for many months but I was wrong, she's wet and wild as before.
I was so aroused that I managed 4 shots the first day and she is a squirter!
I am almost twice her age and was lucky as she prefer mature man.
In China there's Suprises when you least expect
Yepp, I thought that would be the last I see her after she left and was surprised at the outcome.
She is now asking me to rent a place for about 1000yuan including utilities a month so she could be with me on a permanent basis.
I thought sex would be boring after staying together for many months but I was wrong, she's wet and wild as before.
I was so aroused that I managed 4 shots the first day and she is a squirter!
I am almost twice her age and was lucky as she prefer mature man.
In China there's Suprises when you least expectIf she is young and a squirter. For $1K rmb, I think it is a bargain. I would keep a few for that price. I cost me more than that to maintain my wife in the US and I at most get it a few times a month. You get it four times the first day. The only problem is that once you rent the apartment, she is going to ask you to go shopping and buy this and that. That stuff could add up, then again she is a squirter. True squirters are a rare breed.
Never been with a squirter before...ever! I guess I'm missing out big time. But even if she was not a squirter, for $1000 RMB I think it's a steal! Most girls ask you for monthly allowances, on top of rent and gifts etc. But then again...it's only the beginning. rule of thumb with all Chinese Girls is...their expectations grow with time....
AsnDragon
If she is young and a squirter. For $1K rmb, I think it is a bargain. I would keep a few for that price. I cost me more than that to maintain my wife in the US and I at most get it a few times a month. You get it four times the first day. The only problem is that once you rent the apartment, she is going to ask you to go shopping and buy this and that. That stuff could add up, then again she is a squirter. True squirters are a rare breed.
Eaglestar,
You have my absolute respect on being a master-freebie hunter in Shanghai and/or online, but don't you think you are being a little harsh on him?
He was upfront with the girl and she came back for more. Does this not ring any bells?
However, I will agree his (IMHO) gloating in the last sentence was a somewhat uncalled for.
Good to see you are still alive and kicking. Any chance you will be back in Shanghai anytime in the near future?
OK, 40 lashes with a wet noodle. Keep my damned mouth shut.
ES
FernandoAlonso
12-29-09, 06:35
Never been with a squirter before. Ever! I guess I'm missing out big time. But even if she was not a squirter, for $1000 RMB I think it's a steal! Most girls ask you for monthly allowances, on top of rent and gifts etc. But then again. It's only the beginning. Rule of thumb with all Chinese Girls is. Their expectations grow with time.
AsnDragonindeed a squirter is a keeper, just imagine what you save on lubricants. Agree demands tend to rise once they feel (too) comfortable, so resist early. But please be also aware you take responsibility for her, wanted or unwanted once she becomes your regular and parents and friends know this. You dump her she has a problem, so please take this into account. Even if they say they know it is only temporary, they hope it is not. I know countless such tales, so do not forget this please!
FA
SE Asia Joe
12-29-09, 18:08
Never been with a squirter before...ever! I guess I'm missing out big time. But even if she was not a squirter, for $1000 RMB I think it's a steal! Most girls ask you for monthly allowances, on top of rent and gifts etc. But then again...it's only the beginning. rule of thumb with all Chinese Girls is...their expectations grow with time....
AsnDragon
Have I got a recomendation for you next time you're in CP!!
I've located the famous WG which all the Taiwanese do - she's quite famous in some Taiwan based forum.
She's got a very pretty face but only passable body - but she SQUIRTS!!!
And NO.... I will not post it here where to find her/how to get her etc as I definitely want to save her from toooooo much wear and tear from other mongers on ISG, before you get here!! Seniors who I know and want her too - PMS me - OK?
Yeah yeah yeah - I'm supposed to share info.....according to who?? Usually newbies and guys who don't contribute IMHO.
SEAJ
SEAJoe,
Drinks on me when I get back into CP! I didn't know that such a WG exists out there. There's something for me to look forward to, a new hope and aspiration for me to fulfill.
Sheesh, you seem to have them all categorized in your library of pictures of who's who huh? I am impressed by you young lad!
AsnDragon
Have I got a recomendation for you next time you're in CP!!
I've located the famous WG which all the Taiwanese do - she's quite famous in some Taiwan based forum.
She's got a very pretty face but only passable body - but she SQUIRTS!!!
And NO.... I will not post it here where to find her/how to get her etc as I definitely want to save her from toooooo much wear and tear from other mongers on ISG, before you get here!! Seniors who I know and want her too - PMS me - OK?
Yeah yeah yeah - I'm supposed to share info.....according to who?? Usually newbies and guys who don't contribute IMHO.
SEAJ
Have I got a recomendation for you next time you're in CP!!
I've located the famous WG which all the Taiwanese do - she's quite famous in some Taiwan based forum.
She's got a very pretty face but only passable body - but she SQUIRTS!!!
And NO.... I will not post it here where to find her/how to get her etc as I definitely want to save her from toooooo much wear and tear from other mongers on ISG, before you get here!! Seniors who I know and want her too - PMS me - OK?
Yeah yeah yeah - I'm supposed to share info.....according to who?? Usually newbies and guys who don't contribute IMHO.
SEAJHey SEAJ
Can you put me on the list too. I promise to leave my razor at home. I promise. (fingers crossed).
I had a Chinese girl in a motel room new year's eve. Had a fun "dogstyle date". After the ball fell down on Time's Square, she said to me there was a custom of no sex at this time. "In China, people don't have sex right on New Year's." I called bullshit on that, she was probably just exhausted from working.
I am a young, athletic, white guy 21 yr old and I am planning a mongering trip to Asia. My budget is around 5000 bucks not including airfare. Should I go to China and Thailand? I would like at least two girls a day. If so, which cities? I promise to report pics. I also would like to go to Japan. I'm ok at getting chicks in the us, will it be easy for me to get free cute chicks at bars in Japan, China, or Thailand? No languages spoken other than french and english.
Thanks
Wolf,
It just depends on whether you want to pick up chicks or you want to pay for them. It also depends on what you prefer, the Thai Look or the China Look.
Either places you can score if you want to pay for it. You can have two girls or even 3,4 or 5 girls a day if you want, so long as you got the cash, anything can be arranged.
If you just want pussy and pussy everywhere and don't care much about looks, I think Thailand is a better place to be at. Girls are just in your face all the time at Pattaya or similar cities. But if you want girls with lighter skin tone and are willing to shed out the money then perhaps China has some higher upper scale venues for you. (This is my personal opinion)
I look forward to your future reports!
AsnDragon
I am a young, athletic, white guy 21 yr old and I am planning a mongering trip to Asia. My budget is around 5000 bucks not including airfare. Should I go to China and Thailand? I would like at least two girls a day. If so, which cities? I promise to report pics. I also would like to go to Japan. I'm ok at getting chicks in the us, will it be easy for me to get free cute chicks at bars in Japan, China, or Thailand? No languages spoken other than french and english.
Thanks
I am a young, athletic, white guy 21 yr old and I am planning a mongering trip to Asia. My budget is around 5000 bucks not including airfare. Should I go to China and Thailand? I would like at least two girls a day. If so, which cities? I promise to report pics. I also would like to go to Japan. I'm ok at getting chicks in the us, will it be easy for me to get free cute chicks at bars in Japan, China, or Thailand? No languages spoken other than french and english.
Thanks
If you are planning on paying for sex what does it matter what you look like?
Some freebies may be adverse about shagging a younger man, but that can be overcome. I am guessing you are talking about one night stands (re: picking up free girls at bars?)? It isnt as common as the US and depending on where you are you may struggle. You may want to try to hook up with uni students wherever they hang out (some bars, cafes, etc).
Chinese women, imo, have different tastes to western women. So what US girls found appealing about you may not cut much chop with chinese girls (like an "athletic" body for example) who look for other things.
I am a young, athletic, white guy 21 yr old and I am planning a mongering trip to Asia. My budget is around 5000 bucks not including airfare. Should I go to China and Thailand? I would like at least two girls a day. If so, which cities? I promise to report pics. I also would like to go to Japan. I'm ok at getting chicks in the us, will it be easy for me to get free cute chicks at bars in Japan, China, or Thailand? No languages spoken other than french and english.
ThanksBro, to be young and free again! Having spent sufficient time in all 3 countries, here's my 2 cents' worth.
Japan and China are notorious for being quite closed in culture although chicks in shanghai can be known to speak english. However, the ability to speak japanese (in japan) and Chinese (in China) will definitely help you score in these countries.
Thailand would be best if english is your main mode of chatting up chicks and you will definitely get your money's worth.
Personally, as a person with native ability in english and Chinese and fluent in japanese (I studied there on exchange programme while in university), my preference would be japan and China.
Hope my input helped and have fun scoring!
OldAsiaHand
01-05-10, 12:38
I am a young, athletic, white guy 21 yr old and I am planning a mongering trip to Asia. My budget is around 5000 bucks not including airfare. Should I go to China and Thailand? I would like at least two girls a day. If so, which cities? I promise to report pics. I also would like to go to Japan. I'm ok at getting chicks in the us, will it be easy for me to get free cute chicks at bars in Japan, China, or Thailand? No languages spoken other than french and english.
Thanks
Thailand: Passable English is spoken by many WGs which may be an advantage. Average chance of "free cute chicks"but many bars have a mix of both free and pay.
China: Language can be a problem for P4P and to pick up "free cute chicks". Less opportunity for one night stands but still out there.
Japan: P4P and everything else is very expensive. Your 5k won't last very long there. You have the best chance of "free cute chicks" for one night stands.
Just my POV.
OAH
I've located the famous WG which all the Taiwanese do - she's quite famous in some Taiwan based forum.
She's got a very pretty face but only passable body - but she SQUIRTS!!!
She must have small boobs. Taiwanese guys are afraid of boobies....
I had a Chinese girl in a motel room new year's eve. Had a fun "dogstyle date". After the ball fell down on Time's Square, she said to me there was a custom of no sex at this time. "In China, people don't have sex right on New Year's." I called bullshit on that, she was probably just exhausted from working.Some Chinese people believe that what you do during new years you will do for the rest of the year. So a lot of people abstain from 'bad' habits during the first few moments.
Thailand: Passable English is spoken by many WGs which may be an advantage. Average chance of "free cute chicks"but many bars have a mix of both free and pay.
China: Language can be a problem for P4P and to pick up "free cute chicks". Less opportunity for one night stands but still out there.
Japan: P4P and everything else is very expensive. Your 5k won't last very long there. You have the best chance of "free cute chicks" for one night stands.
Just my POV.
OAHDefinitely agree! Esp the part on 5k not lasting very long in japan. To add on from here, english-speaking Chinese chicks are most commonly found in Shanghai.
I assume you are time limited, two weeks at best.
If so, Thai girls would be best bang for the buck for a person with limited language and cultural skill. Get used to lemon grass food & read about Thai culture and you will do well.
Thai girls are used to foreign faces and cultures. Lots of EU girls in TH.
If you have more time you could do a tri-county sex tour using start-up airlines to save money if not on a frequent mileage program.
Non-pro china action requires web dating lessons from the old masters of this forum. Setting up prior to departure. I see some of them have responded.
ISG Japan thread is useful for quick learning. China thread recommends the usage of a handler in CP.
I am a young, athletic, white guy 21 yr old and I am planning a mongering trip to Asia. My budget is around 5000 bucks not including airfare. Should I go to China and Thailand? I would like at least two girls a day. If so, which cities? I promise to report pics. I also would like to go to Japan. I'm ok at getting chicks in the us, will it be easy for me to get free cute chicks at bars in Japan, China, or Thailand? No languages spoken other than french and english.
Thanks
Some Chinese people believe that what you do during new years you will do for the rest of the year. So a lot of people abstain from 'bad' habits during the first few moments.
Thank you for your reply.
I am a young, athletic, white guy 21 yr old and I am planning a mongering trip to Asia. My budget is around 5000 bucks not including airfare. Should I go to China and Thailand? I would like at least two girls a day. If so, which cities? I promise to report pics. I also would like to go to Japan. I'm ok at getting chicks in the us, will it be easy for me to get free cute chicks at bars in Japan, China, or Thailand? No languages spoken other than french and english.
Thanks
I'm a bit incredulous about this but never mind. If I were 21 with this much cash and "game" I'd forget hookers. I have only Japan experience and a few weeks of China knowledge. I would say that meeting English speaking cute Japanese girls is possible, because I did this. But, I had an expense account and burned through cash like it was monopoly money. If I had the money to blow *today* I would go to China because it is so fascinating and the girls are so cute. I met English speaking girls in Beijing and from a university in Qingdao (nice place to visit too). Perhaps planning ahead to locate "freebies" online is a good approach, and back it up with hookers in case results are not so great. A traveler to China will always have an interesting experience in itself. As in most countries, higher education=English ability, hookers=lower education. Chinese non-pro girls value a man's potential more than just his looks, so saying to them "I'm on a sex tour" or "I came to experience Asian girls" will yield zero results.
Chocha Monger
01-06-10, 01:11
I am a young, athletic, white guy 21 yr old and I am planning a mongering trip to Asia. My budget is around 5000 bucks not including airfare. Should I go to China and Thailand? I would like at least two girls a day. If so, which cities? I promise to report pics. I also would like to go to Japan. I'm ok at getting chicks in the us, will it be easy for me to get free cute chicks at bars in Japan, China, or Thailand? No languages spoken other than french and english.
Thanks
If you're looking to experience some tender dragon pussy for a price forget Japan. They don't let foreigner participate in their hobby. Thailand has been worn out by horny Westerners and the girls are jaded and hardened. Go to Dongguan, China and get yourself some of that fine porcelain skinned tenderloin.
Chocha Monger
01-06-10, 01:14
Some Chinese people believe that what you do during new years you will do for the rest of the year. So a lot of people abstain from 'bad' habits during the first few moments.
Funny, I didn't think a Chinese girl would think that getting fucked doggie style was a bad habit. On the other hand going to sleep after one pop is definitely a bad habit. :D
Thanks to all of the guys who replied, it was truly a good heads up. Like I said I will report when the time comes, hopefully this summer when school is over.
Thanks to all of the guys who replied, it was truly a good heads up. Like I said I will report when the time comes, hopefully this summer when school is over.
You are being fed wrong information.
1.) Japan: by all means, go. They let foreigners participate in their hobby (this is reaching you from Japan ...) But the hobby is expensive and your $5000 won't last long. If you are young and good looking, go for freebies. There is a "nampa" section in the Japan thread. If you are really good looking and on a really tight budget and don't mind a woman who's a bit older (many 21yo don't...) then there are many classy mid 30s Japanese ladies waiting to take care and advantage of you. They look 10 years younger anyway
2.) China: Easier on your budget in the p4p dept., especially outside of the big cities. Freebies action limited for your age. Whereas a young JP girl looks for sex now and get married later, a young Chinese girl looks to get married now. Especially in the bigger cities, freebies look for a guy with money, and that means a bit older, in his 30's. But again, not impossible, just don't give away your age. Tell them you are older :)
I am a young, athletic, white guy 21 yr old and I am planning a mongering trip to Asia. My budget is around 5000 bucks not including airfare. Should I go to China and Thailand? I would like at least two girls a day. If so, which cities? I promise to report pics. I also would like to go to Japan. I'm ok at getting chicks in the us, will it be easy for me to get free cute chicks at bars in Japan, China, or Thailand? No languages spoken other than french and english.
Thanks
Wolf, I would agree that Japan is one way to run out of cash in a hurry. Thailand is incredible, and you can try Bangkok as well as some of the beach areas like Samui for something a little different. There are two things I absolutely would not miss if possible. First, if you go to Beijing, make sure to experience an evening with a lady from Mongolia, I assure you it will be life affirming, and second, you didn't include the Philippines in your travel plans. The girls there all speak English, they are (IMHO 0f course) the best GFE dates in Asia, and come in so many different shapes, sizes that you will not run out of choices and your 5K will go a LOOONG way there.
I know with 5K, free airfare and the time to spend it, I could do a lot of damage......
I will tell you the best place to go. The main target, save your 5k!
If you wanna find hot girls, meaning pretty but cheap, these places are the ones, by rank of safety and quality
1. Hongkong
2. South Korea
3. China (some places)
4. Mongolia
Japan and Taiwan I have never been, you can try to read Japan section. I heard it is expensive, which I don't like.
U have to be careful with the money, warn u, 5k won; t last long if you don't know how to spend. Of course it is enough for 1 month. Minimum there is 100usd a day for everything, that is minimum(it is only 660rmb now, and hotel is already 500rmb a day the good one)
So 5k is not Al Capone's wallet. If so, you need to net 15k for 1 month to eat lobsters, caviars, stay in American hotels and do the best girls of Asia
I will tell you more details
Wolf, I would agree that Japan is one way to run out of cash in a hurry. Thailand is incredible, and you can try Bangkok as well as some of the beach areas like Samui for something a little different. There are two things I absolutely would not miss if possible. First, if you go to Beijing, make sure to experience an evening with a lady from Mongolia, I assure you it will be life affirming, and second, you didn't include the Philippines in your travel plans. The girls there all speak English, they are (IMHO 0f course) the best GFE dates in Asia, and come in so many different shapes, sizes that you will not run out of choices and your 5K will go a LOOONG way there.
I know with 5K, free airfare and the time to spend it, I could do a lot of damage.
I will tell you the best place to go. The main target, save your 5k!
If you wanna find hot girls, meaning pretty but cheap, these places are the ones, by rank of safety and quality
1. Hongkong
Minimum there is 100usd a day for everything, that is minimum(it is only 660rmb now, and hotel is already 500rmb a day the good one)
So 5k is not Al Capone's wallet. If so, you need to net 15k for 1 month to eat lobsters, caviars, stay in American hotels and do the best girls of Asia
I will tell you more details
HONG KONG ???????????
Or you could get the sky limo from Hong Kong to Shenzhen and spend 120 to 180 RMB $20 for a clean Chinese hotel free internet 38RMB lunch not coffee with a cheap sauna on the 3rd floor if you don't feel like or cannot walk.Why would a girl give you do a low price when the guy is paying 800 just to sleep gets free soap and a hundred extra for areriot 5 star internet. No walk of shame past all the stuck up white women sipping red wine. while there husbands have a business meeting in the Sauna down the road charging an arm and a leg as the 5 stars are next door. leaving enough to have FS every day at least once if not twice with a sweet Chinese girl not a pino hustler until it gets boring or you get a freebie.You want frequent flyer points or a big smile its up to you. I can give you details if you like with private email.
Jamie
OldAsiaHand
01-09-10, 04:16
I will tell you the best place to go. The main target, save your 5k!
If you wanna find hot girls, meaning pretty but cheap, these places are the ones, by rank of safety and quality
1. Hongkong
2. South Korea
3. China (some places)
4. Mongolia
Dumaway,
IMHO, you are off base with your rankings. Hong Kong and South Korea are not places to conserve your budget.
Although, you can get relatively cheap girls in Mongkok (380 HK$ for Chinese) and some of the less attractive on 141 for about the same, you get better quality for half the price across the border. Most of the imported girls in Wanchai want 1,000 HK$ ST and are definitely not the cream of the crop.
The cheapest action I know of in South Korea is RLD at 70,000 Won ($60) for 15-20 mintutes ST and the "A" quality don't even accept foreigners. Sauna action starts at around $160 and LT with a stunner can run over $500.
My rankings according to value/safety are:
1) Thailand
2) Philippines
3) China
4) Cambodia
Just my POV.
OAH
Clandestine782
01-09-10, 04:55
old asia hand is right.
the ranking that i would give for price would be:
sk>hk>>china=thailand=mongolia>cambodia.
there is another factor to consider, and that is ease of access.
if you only consider that (and not price), then:
hk=sk=thailand<cambodia<mongolia<china.
1. hk, sk, thailand require no visa. thailand may be a visa on arrival, but i don't think so. it's been years since i've been there and memory may not serve me correctly.
2. cambodia does visas on arrival. something like us$20
3. mongolia requires no visa, but it is not easy to access. you could either fly there or take the train from beijing (but in that case you would have to go through china and get the china visa). i also noticed that there were not some huge number of girls in one place for you to choose from in mongolia. they were kind of .......rep001tered. so, you go to place a and there are 2 girls. you go to place b and there are another two.
4. mainland china requires a visa to get in. and if you have a us passport, that visa can't be done on arrival. you would have to go into hk and go to the consulate (or macau, or an overseas consulate) and pay something like us$150 for a double/ multiple entry. (the situation just never seems to be the same at any embassy. at the la consulate, they gave me a year long visa without a second thought. the hk/ macau consulates don't like to give more than double entry visas. but then that could change in the next 15 minutes. also, the price of your visa depends on which type of passport you hold.) if you go to hk to get a visa, you would have to stay overnight because they weren't doing same day visas (at least not at the hk embassy anymore). and if you don't know the subway, you would have to pay a visa agent additional to get the visa for you.
1. in china, you have to speak the national language to be able to find places and not get ripped off. sometimes they are a bit grumpy about serving foreigners.
2. cambodia has a really nasty hiv problem.
3. they don't seem fussed about foreigners in mongolia and thailand.
a sample calculation:
if you had $5,000, you could:
1. buy a round trip to hk for about $725.
2. get the china visa for about $200 (say a single entry).
3. have one girl overnight every day for a month. say about us$45 each (rmb300) time for 30 days= $1350
4. have a girl in the afternoons for short time every day for a month= us$25-30 (rmb150-200)= $750
5. have food for a month $10/ day in china= $300 (i only eat what the chinese people eat. i stay out of mcdonalds and pizza hut.)
6. stay in a hotel for a month. us$450.
after all that, you would still have change left over. (i estimate about $1200--i assumed that you would be fucking two girls per day, one in the afternoon and one overnight.) some of you guys will complain and say that these prices are too low, but you are assuming shenzhen. he can get prices as i have mentioned if he gets on the train and goes over to guangxi or hunan. or many other places outside of guangdong.
if you can handle going on a train, there are many cities that are 1/2 day ride away.
I saw this and it may provide amusement for some, not for others. The rant purports to be written by a Chinese girl, but who knows? Its veracity is better determined by others than I. Depending on your perspective, it may amuse or bother you.
http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/china-does-not-have-any-men-suitable-for-me/
Lustforthrust
01-12-10, 09:29
I saw this and it may provide amusement for some, not for others. The rant purports to be written by a Chinese girl, but who knows? Its veracity is better determined by others than I. Depending on your perspective, it may amuse or bother you.
http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/china-does-not-have-any-men-suitable-for-me/
The chic may have something common with ordinary Americans - ignorant about the rest of the world. If only she knew how hard it is for most Americans pigeon-holed in a regular job, let alone anyone on minimum wage or near minimum wage!
Only reinforces my belief that any white guy claiming to be American can land guilible Chinese pussy in China.
To her credit, she does correctly equate the currrent nationalism in China with being "played like monkeys".
Chocha Monger
01-12-10, 10:34
The chic may have something common with ordinary Americans - ignorant about the rest of the world. If only she knew how hard it is for most Americans pigeon-holed in a regular job, let alone anyone on minimum wage or near minimum wage!
Only reinforces my belief that any white guy claiming to be American can land guilible Chinese pussy in China.
To her credit, she does correctly equate the currrent nationalism in China with being "played like monkeys".
Yes. She is just begging to be fucked by the first English teacher that comes along. This is an over ripe piece of Chinese pussy with delusions about the Land O' Milk and Honey waiting to fall into the jaws of a horny monger at the urging of a slight breeze. :D China is not a cheap sex destination. It is a free sex destination.
I actually read this article a long time ago. Some say it's fake, but it sounds fairly real. Apparently, when you take everything you know about America or Europe from Movies, you only see the rosy aspects of the western world, or the romanticized view of the western world. I would like to take her to South Central LA and or Richmond California, Detriot urban areas, Bronx in NYC or the dirty south in Atlanta and see if she still has the same view of how great America really is. However great a place is, always has it's faults. She really does not live in reality and is consumed in her own little world to get ahead in life.
If I were her, i'd hook onto a rich China politician...you'd have maids, power and money and she could survive in a place where she knows the language well. Go with a man with the same caliber in America or Europe..the girl will get dumped in less than 3 months.
AsnDragon
The chic may have something common with ordinary Americans - ignorant about the rest of the world. If only she knew how hard it is for most Americans pigeon-holed in a regular job, let alone anyone on minimum wage or near minimum wage!
Only reinforces my belief that any white guy claiming to be American can land guilible Chinese pussy in China.
To her credit, she does correctly equate the currrent nationalism in China with being "played like monkeys".
Chocha Monger
01-13-10, 05:39
I actually read this article a long time ago. Some say it's fake, but it sounds fairly real. Apparently, when you take everything you know about America or Europe from Movies, you only see the rosy aspects of the western world, or the romanticized view of the western world. I would like to take her to South Central LA and or Richmond California, Detriot urban areas, Bronx in NYC or the dirty south in Atlanta and see if she still has the same view of how great America really is. However great a place is, always has it's faults. She really does not live in reality and is consumed in her own little world to get ahead in life.
If I were her, i'd hook onto a rich China politician...you'd have maids, power and money and she could survive in a place where she knows the language well. Go with a man with the same caliber in America or Europe..the girl will get dumped in less than 3 months.
AsnDragon
She wants riches but she also wants a man who she can control. Notice the recurring themes about men going out eating, drinking and visiting prostitutes. She wants a nice guy who works, brings home the money and stays on his leash.
Forbidden Kid
01-13-10, 07:07
She wants riches but she also wants a man who she can control. Notice the recurring themes about men going out eating, drinking and visiting prostitutes. She wants a nice guy who works, brings home the money and stays on his leash.Its interesting how she thinks her Uni is a prestigious one. Typical asian *****, I will admit as an ABC I have only seen a few normal locals with common sense, but most of them are just so one-sided.
Well....the theme that you just pointed out...every women are like that to some degree or other. In any nation, in any culture women are the same- controlling. It just depends on what degree of control.
Just like Tiger Wood's wife is not going to take Tiger's rampant cheating sprees in America. In China, women are the same. Recently, in China a women was given 8 years in prison for cutting off her cheating husband's penis. Now of course that is an extreme situation.
For whoever says they met a China girl who is submissive and allows the guy to do anything, it's only true to a certain degree. Yes some women can turn a blind eye to their cheating husband...but they will only tolerate it to a certain degree. After a while they will be questioning and giving you an attitude after a while. Women before marriage always act like they are cool with everything...but once they get married, they will exert a little bit more control over time. Women in any country as the same..china is not an exception. That's just my personal opinion though.
To add onto the article, that girl is crazy and delusional, living in her own little world. But regardless of how pretty she is...women like that in China exist and I'm sure there are many...not the majority but many like her. That's why Dash is getting his earful from his shanghai girl....because no matter what they will become demanding and controlling over time. that's the natural evolution of women throughout their lifetime.
AsnDragon
She wants riches but she also wants a man who she can control. Notice the recurring themes about men going out eating, drinking and visiting prostitutes. She wants a nice guy who works, brings home the money and stays on his leash.
Well....the theme that you just pointed out...every women are like that to some degree or other. In any nation, in any culture women are the same- controlling. It just depends on what degree of control.
Just like Tiger Wood's wife is not going to take Tiger's rampant cheating sprees in America. In China, women are the same. Recently, in China a women was given 8 years in prison for cutting off her cheating husband's penis. Now of course that is an extreme situation.
For whoever says they met a China girl who is submissive and allows the guy to do anything, it's only true to a certain degree. Yes some women can turn a blind eye to their cheating husband...but they will only tolerate it to a certain degree. After a while they will be questioning and giving you an attitude after a while. Women before marriage always act like they are cool with everything...but once they get married, they will exert a little bit more control over time. Women in any country as the same..china is not an exception. That's just my personal opinion though.
To add onto the article, that girl is crazy and delusional, living in her own little world. But regardless of how pretty she is...women like that in China exist and I'm sure there are many...not the majority but many like her. That's why Dash is getting his earful from his shanghai girl....because no matter what they will become demanding and controlling over time. that's the natural evolution of women throughout their lifetime.
AsnDragon
What I also heard from the Shanghai girl was a similar complaint about Chinese men. Her Chinese boyfriend lost a fortune gambling, and lost his job. He drank and smoked while gambling of course. Her other boyfriend screwed around with the gazillion girls available in Shanghai. Her aunt bothers her now asking for $20k+ because her cousin lost a fortune gambling. Another Chinese lady had similar complaints about the men. The guys not eating pussy is not openly discussed, but you know women like that too. Interestingly, I have not heard a Mexican woman complain much about the men *except for their drunkenness*. If I were she, I'd leave too, since she will probably feel disillusioned expecting a guy to resist all that cute pussy running around in China. Who could resist it? I've lived in England and visited Europe (some consider them distinct) and I'd marry a French dude if I were this girl. Movie image or not, France is a damn fine place to live, just avoid Marseilles.
Its interesting how she thinks her Uni is a prestigious one.
It is. Shanghai Jiaotong is probably one of the top 3 schools in China. Jiang Zemin is probably it's most famous graduate. Jiaotong is as famous in China as Yale would be in the US.
Meiguoguizi
01-13-10, 22:24
i saw this and it may provide amusement for some, not for others. the rant purports to be written by a chinese girl, but who knows? its veracity is better determined by others than i. depending on your perspective, it may amuse or bother you.
http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/china-does-not-have-any-men-suitable-for-me/
in a country with more than half-a-billion women, maybe 200 million under 26 years old, certainly there is a variety of opinions about mate selection.
what is consistent and differing from the west is the time and energy a young woman places in the selection of a spouse.
i would venture to say that 'dating' as the west knows it, is very rare in china - 3 dates, fuck for a month or two, break up, repeat... is horrifying to chinese women. yet it has been the routine dance in western cities for 20somethings for at least 3 generations.
her appraisal of the chinese marketplace for husbands is shared by many of her peers, that is - female college students. they often are critical of men. in the west, of course, most women are also very critical of men, but their criticism is based on gender, not race (with the exception of american black women, whose diatribes have much in common with this shanghai princess.)
she is a child of privilege, something that is now widespread but relatively new in china. statistically, whomever she chooses, she will be divorced by 35 and remarry a chinese man who is also divorced. they will work very hard in a city that is increasingly expensive and unlivable. they both will have affairs. but they will sustain their second marriage for their children's benefit.
the only unknown is what message her daughter will receive from her mother's disillusionment. by the time her daughter is 'dating', the west's life-style will likely have deteriorated to a level more on par to china. emigration from china will continue to become increasingly unattractive.
hopefullly for readers of isg, her daughter maintains this ignorant desire to capture a western man, fueled by american tv shows that portray a lifestyle no longer available to american college graduates, and is willing to cultivate this ignorance by securing his allegiance in bed.
I think u guys are too jaded. The girl is a college student, which means she's still young and pretty naive. Think back when you guys were young. Did you guys really think that you'd grow up, have an unhappy marriage, get divorced, get bratty kids, get stuck in a crappy job, end up bedding prostitutes, etc., etc. I'm pretty sure most of us thought along the lines of, I'm gonna have a career I really like that helps people and the world, I'm going to fall in love with a girl, marry her, be faithful to her, have kids with her, grow old with her and be with her until I die.
The sad reality is, most of us start off as the latter, but end up as the former. No big deal, it's just the way things work out sometimes. There's a danger to the psyche with bedding a lot of prostitutes. We tend to forget what non-prostitutes are like. We tend to form opinions of women based solely on what we see and expect from prostitutes. We get into this mode where we think that all women are after is money. Well, that's because all we see are prostitutes, who are literally, only after the money. I know some guys who can't even talk to normal girls anymore. They don't know what to say to them.
I read the thing and I really have no negative opinion of the girl. Most of what she says about well off Chinese men is probably correct to some extent. The vast majority of Chinese guys with money that I know do go overboard with the drinking, gambling, and mongering. Younger Chinese tend to be a well intentioned, but ill-mannered. The reasons she cites for wanting to live overseas is a bit dated, but on the whole, living standards in developed western countries is significantly better than China. I don't find her attraction to foreign guys a big deal. Everybody has a fetish of some sort and she obviously has a fetish for foreign guys.
I think though, the girl is going to be unhappy. She basically has some kind of illusion built up in her mind about what life is going to be like for her, and she's based a lot of that illusion on her marrying a foreigner. If she doesn't marry a foreigner, she's always going to have that thing in the back of her mind that life would have been much better had she married a foreigner. If she does marry a foreigner, and everything is not as she expected (which will probably be the case), she will again be disillusioned. She would do well to remember that not every guy is Gregory Peck, and that she is not a princess. Personally, I think she would have a much better chance at happiness if she were to work in a foreign country and marry a guy over there. The vast majority of foreign guys who work in China are pretty much fucked in the head already. I even know some guys who are starting to say stuff like, "what happens in China, stays in China." That the first symptom of getting the China Syndrome.
She wants riches but she also wants a man who she can control. Notice the recurring themes about men going out eating, drinking and visiting prostitutes. She wants a nice guy who works, brings home the money and stays on his leash.So she's a local ShangHai girl. All Chinese around China agree that ShangHai girls (the ones born and raised there) are Dominant towards their husbands and can explode like the nuke on Hiroschima when they get angry. ShangHai men have a name of being extremely submissive to their wifes.
SE Asia Joe
01-14-10, 06:30
I think u guys are too jaded. The girl is a ,................. some guys who are starting to say stuff like, "what happens in China, stays in China." That the first symptom of getting the China Syndrome.
How very insightful!
And don't forget - this is ONE (1!!) gal's diatribe - and should not be read as if it represents all, or even the majority of gals in China.
SEAJ
I think u guys are too jaded. The girl is a college student, which means she's still young and pretty naive. .......I feel that she is living in a dream world. She definitely have been watching too much western video/TV media.
Just my two rmb on this.
Far too much time and bandwidth is being wasted on vicarious armchair players who post ancient diatribes lifted from outdated blogs.
Forbidden Kid
01-14-10, 07:41
It is. Shanghai Jiaotong is probably one of the top 3 schools in China. Jiang Zemin is probably it's most famous graduate. Jiaotong is as famous in China as Yale would be in the US.IMHO, Peking, Qinghua, Renmin, Fudan all beat jiaotong in a heartbeat.
Forbidden Kid
01-14-10, 07:47
Far too much time and bandwidth is being wasted on vicarious armchair players who post ancient diatribes lifted from outdated blogs.To summarize for you personally, I think Dash posted a link to a Shanghainese girl smacking talking Chinese men and wanting to live in a foreign country based on her watching movies such as gone with the wind and etc. Mongers then started to discuss the whole shebang that caused her to say such a thing.
FK
Far too much time and bandwidth is being wasted on vicarious armchair players who post ancient diatribes lifted from outdated blogs.
I posted a disclaimer/warning. Is not a Chinese woman's opinion valid for the discerning westerner who may visit Shanghai hoping for a freebie? Certainly this information is useless for the true players, but they don't need any information. Men who pay for pussy don't care what the woman is thinking.
A quote from the infamous Rodney King " Can't we all just get along". If you do not want to read a long statement then just move on. It is up to you to read it. No one is forcing you to do anything.
This may not interest many, but I found it interesting so am posting. My Shanghai lady friend met me in an undisclosed motel for a rendezvous. After round #2 she went to the toilet as I lay in bed and kept talking to me as she sat on the commode with the door open. After I heard no [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) running from her, I thought "oh-oh." She was not shy about taking a crap a few feet from me, and I suggested she may like to close the door. She did after I made a joke, but she would have kept it open. I found it kind of cute and interesting. I can't remember any other woman having this kind of attitude towards her body functions. She always exhibits classy behavior and was a professional in Shanghai, and is a university graduate. Anyway, I thought later "oops, I should have let her keep the door open, in Japan and Germany they relish this kind of stuff". Darnit, what was I thinking?
Meiguoguizi
01-20-10, 14:34
This may not interest many, but I found it interesting so am posting. My Shanghai lady friend met me in an undisclosed motel for a rendezvous. After round #2 she went to the toilet as I lay in bed and kept talking to me as she sat on the commode with the door open. After I heard no [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) running from her, I thought "oh-oh." She was not shy about taking a crap a few feet from me, and I suggested she may like to close the door. She did after I made a joke, but she would have kept it open.?
perhaps since she's from Shanghai she expects her "lao gong" to wipe her ass for her.
if she was a country girl, she'd be standing on the seat. you'd have an aerial view of her productivity.
SE Asia Joe
01-20-10, 16:19
Are we talking about sh.t again?!
Come on guys - nip this in the bud please!
GROSS!!
SEAJ
Are we talking about sh.t again?!
Come on guys - nip this in the bud please!
GROSS!!
SEAJ
I was just curious whether her attitude was typical for Chinese women. Also, some other guys may find it interesting. I prefer her lack of modesty in general. I find it so interesting that she is so shy about showing affection in public, yet in private she is not that shy.
Bored In Beijing
01-22-10, 12:09
Some of you may hate the following installment of "as the stomach turns". Stop reading here.
This is for the edification and possible education for western men who meet a totally charming, polite, kind, educated, classy and sexy broad from Shanghai and consider a serious relationship with one.
Watch your ass brothers.
......
It was all bullshit! She was playing "relationship poker" with me since AUGUST. Man, she was really good!
This may bore the shit out of you, if so, my apologies. But, the point of this long story is: the reputation of Shanghai women as schemers is well deserved. I would have appreciated her telling me in August the true situation, and her not pressuring me and making me so crazy.
ANY Chinese woman whom you meet will not be any more accomodating, sexy, meek, considerate and sweet than Shanghai Lil. Watch yourself guys! This is the most amazing case of a girl playing "texas holdem" with me I have experienced in my considerable career.
In the words of Reagan: trust, but verify. Actually, do not trust. I had explained to her the two kinds of lies: omission and commission. Hers were both.
I got lots of shit here for being an asshole American, or not taking the advice of other people. Well, guess what? She is a conniving Shanghai Chinese and she can take her ways and shove them.
Dash,
You had a lucky escape.
This kind of thing has happened to a few of my friends and it is not only Shanghai women who play these games. You should take an important lesson from this and appreciate that Chinese women take a more practical view of love, marriage and kids and you cannot apply Western standards to them.
Just my humble opinion.
BiB
This is for the edification and possible education for western men who meet a totally charming, polite, kind, educated, classy and sexy broad from Shanghai and consider a serious relationship with one.
I asked how she planned to care for her baby since she has a new business and works 7 days a week. "She sent her baby to live in China.Her mother is taking care of her baby."
. She asked if I could still be her very close special friend, or her "brother". She offered to introduce me to another girl if I needed one.
She wrote that she hoped she could find someone someday who would help her have a baby. If she could not accomplish her dream, she would accept her fate.
he replied finally with the truth. She has another guy who WANTS a baby with her, but she made him wait. She prefers to be with ME and is very sad, but she has this other dude on a back burner. She previously had denied dating others. "I hope my friends can introduce me to a nice man". She said that she had not dated anyone while I was away.
Thanks for your insight but sounds like a normal Chinese woman.
Having a baby and giving it to relatives is quite the norm here, I would say its quite unusual to bring the baby up us a parent.
I have relationships were I've had benefits, been called naughty uncle, brother, and teacher (I find this sick by the way I just nod)which formalize the casual sex boyfriend relationship to family, which will not lead to marriage.
All Chinese women have a stalker or boyfriend normally from kindergarden days waiting for them to accept the fate they are the only one willing too marry and have a baby with her, she will not love him but will do it as it keeps her relatives happy, sounds like you may have made his day.
Shes not playing games, this is China,You have been honest with her all along which is good your now her brother when shes bored. I'm Sure you can find another new one in 10 minutes you were in the states too long, Good luck enjoy.
Dash,
You had a lucky escape.
This kind of thing has happened to a few of my friends and it is not only Shanghai women who play these games. You should take an important lesson from this and appreciate that Chinese women take a more practical view of love, marriage and kids and you cannot apply Western standards to them.
Just my humble opinion.
BiB
Thank you for your post. My Western standard is against lying, deceit, and manipulation. As usual, she felt her intellect was higher than the dumb ass American man. I see this mistake often.
Thanks for your insight but sounds like a normal Chinese woman.
Having a baby and giving it to relatives is quite the norm here, I would say its quite unusual to bring the baby up us a parent.
I have relationships were I've had benefits, been called naughty uncle, brother, and teacher (I find this sick by the way I just nod)which formalize the casual sex boyfriend relationship to family, which will not lead to marriage.
All Chinese women have a stalker or boyfriend normally from kindergarden days waiting for them to accept the fate they are the only one willing too marry and have a baby with her, she will not love him but will do it as it keeps her relatives happy, sounds like you may have made his day.
Shes not playing games, this is China,You have been honest with her all along which is good your now her brother when shes bored. I'm Sure you can find another new one in 10 minutes you were in the states too long, Good luck enjoy.
Thank you for your informative post. I was unclear, I am in California, she is too. But, I am so glad to know that "brother" may have benefits. I feel a great relief. Some other sucker will be fulfilling their collective dreams.
Bob Builder
01-23-10, 00:32
This may not interest many, but I found it interesting so am posting. My Shanghai lady friend met me in an undisclosed motel for a rendezvous. After round #2 she went to the toilet as I lay in bed and kept talking to me as she sat on the commode with the door open. After I heard no [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) running from her, I thought "oh-oh." She was not shy about taking a crap a few feet from me, and I suggested she may like to close the door. She did after I made a joke, but she would have kept it open. I found it kind of cute and interesting. I can't remember any other woman having this kind of attitude towards her body functions. She always exhibits classy behavior and was a professional in Shanghai, and is a university graduate. Anyway, I thought later "oops, I should have let her keep the door open, in Japan and Germany they relish this kind of stuff". Darnit, what was I thinking?
Don't you pay extra for that kind of service?
Warning: possibly boring and annoying post. Proceed with caution.
Previously I posted the tale of my girlfriend from Shanghai who surprised me saying she needed to break up because she wanted to have a baby. We'd been an item for a few years, but live separately in California about 45 minutes apart. She played an interesting game of "relationship poker" and baffled me. She always said she hoped someone may introduce her to a man, while actually a guy is waiting in the wings for her. It took her a few months to come clean with this fact. She works 7 days per week so she really is exhausted and I think that a baby is just a pipe dream for her, but she would either send the baby back to live in China or bring a relative here to care for it. I told her I thought her plans were crazy, but now I realize it's not crazy from her perspective.
I posted that western men should be extremely cautious when dealing with the sexy, fun and polite Chinese girls.
She therefore told me that we should be friends, as if I were her "brother". I was sad at first, but later felt some relief. Some other guy will have that stress of living with a stranger, or her family, or who knows what?
She came to visit me last night. After watching a slideshow on my tv of Baja Mexico pictures from my recent trip, I was ready for bed. She was demure taking her clothes off and I offered her a t-shirt to sleep in.
Once in bed, I made a grab for her, and she said "But, we are sister and brother now." I said "OK, I guess I am a perverted brother then."
She said "Maybe we can continue to be 'special friends'?"
I wanted to blurt out my disapproval "You are willing to cheat on the other guy to see me?!?"
I kept quiet and said "However I can see you, I want to see you."
So, this woman is definitely unique. I have not dated a Chinese before. She played hardball with me, now she is talking about cheating on some guy who will father her child? This assumes she likes the guy when she gets to know him I guess.
This may be a case of extreme loyalty to ME, but it's strange. So, it means she is subjugating her feelings for me to please her family and achieve her goals. I find her completely amazing.
I don't resent her strange attitudes and behavior. I realize that she is the product of thousands of years of women's conditions in China. She is clever because it's inbred.
She mentioned introducing a Chinese girl to me and I thought it was a trick. But, maybe someday she will, if she ever actually hooks up with the guy who is interested in starting a family.
The Chinese woman is intelligent, charming, hardworking, sexy, polite and pretty. Just exercise extreme caution with her, to us she is from another planet.
Bob Builder
01-28-10, 16:46
Warning: possibly boring and annoying post. Proceed with caution.
Previously I posted the tale of my girlfriend from Shanghai who surprised me saying she needed to break up because she wanted to have a baby. We'd been an item for a few years, but live separately in California about 45 minutes apart. She played an interesting game of "relationship poker" and baffled me. She always said she hoped someone may introduce her to a man, while actually a guy is waiting in the wings for her. It took her a few months to come clean with this fact. She works 7 days per week so she really is exhausted and I think that a baby is just a pipe dream for her, but she would either send the baby back to live in China or bring a relative here to care for it. I told her I thought her plans were crazy, but now I realize it's not crazy from her perspective.
I posted that western men should be extremely cautious when dealing with the sexy, fun and polite Chinese girls.
She therefore told me that we should be friends, as if I were her "brother". I was sad at first, but later felt some relief. Some other guy will have that stress of living with a stranger, or her family, or who knows what?
She came to visit me last night. After watching a slideshow on my tv of Baja Mexico pictures from my recent trip, I was ready for bed. She was demure taking her clothes off and I offered her a t-shirt to sleep in.
Once in bed, I made a grab for her, and she said "But, we are sister and brother now." I said "OK, I guess I am a perverted brother then."
She said "Maybe we can continue to be 'special friends'?"
I wanted to blurt out my disapproval "You are willing to cheat on the other guy to see me?!?"
I kept quiet and said "However I can see you, I want to see you."
So, this woman is definitely unique. I have not dated a Chinese before. She played hardball with me, now she is talking about cheating on some guy who will father her child? This assumes she likes the guy when she gets to know him I guess.
This may be a case of extreme loyalty to ME, but it's strange. So, it means she is subjugating her feelings for me to please her family and achieve her goals. I find her completely amazing.
I don't resent her strange attitudes and behavior. I realize that she is the product of thousands of years of women's conditions in China. She is clever because it's inbred.
She mentioned introducing a Chinese girl to me and I thought it was a trick. But, maybe someday she will, if she ever actually hooks up with the guy who is interested in starting a family.
The Chinese woman is intelligent, charming, hardworking, sexy, polite and pretty. Just exercise extreme caution with her, to us she is from another planet.
You continue to see someone whose morals you find objective and you continue to repeatedly subject the people in this forum who live in China and find this fairly commonplace and not as incredulous and amazing as you do. Are you thick skinned or just thick?
You continue to see someone whose morals you find objective and you continue to repeatedly subject the people in this forum who live in China and find this fairly commonplace and not as incredulous and amazing as you do. Are you thick skinned or just thick?
I continue to see girls who offer me the opportunity to fuck them. Do you?
The point of my posts is a warning to unsuspecting American or western men who go to China and may be accosted by mobs of horny Chinese girls with aspirations. They have guile and skill beyond western girls.
I have no idea who inhabits this forum. I have assumed this is read by Americans who travel the world looking to get laid.
The name of this particular forum is "opinions and advice". So, I have an opinion.
I do not blame Chinese girls for being themselves, just want other guys who are not anthropologists to recognize what they may have to deal with.
When the Shanghai girl asks me about using my capital to start a business with her in China, I politely decline. I don't want to expose myself to any more two legged snakes.
One Wing Low
01-28-10, 22:00
You did not mention how old, what stages of life you are both in. I hope she is of a very high caliber to be worth the hassles.
It's normal for girls in both Western and Eastern culture to play all the games in hope to marry desirable mates.
Chinese girls will have relationships with many guys, on many levels, while they try to hook the best candidate for marriage. Most Chinese girls I know have very active sexual lives. They do it for physical gratifications as well as to keep the guys interested. Usually in China when the girls get pregnant, they either get the guys to marry them, or they will get abortions and start new relationships.
This Shanghai girl appears to have big interests in you as a good mate. She's manipulating your feelings by playing these games and witholding sex from you, but most likely are sleeping with others. You should insist on sex as a precondition to continue the relationship. It's only normal human needs. She needs sex too, sometimes badly...
Chinese or Western, any girls who go into bedrooms or hotel rooms with guys are ready for sex. The guys just have to be insistent in nice, fun, gentle ways so the girls are not scared off...
Warning: possibly boring and annoying post. Proceed with caution.
Previously I posted the tale of my girlfriend from Shanghai who surprised me saying she needed to break up because she wanted to have a baby. We'd been an item for a few years, but live separately in California about 45 minutes apart. She played an interesting game of "relationship poker" and baffled me. She always said she hoped someone may introduce her to a man, while actually a guy is waiting in the wings for her. It took her a few months to come clean with this fact. She works 7 days per week so she really is exhausted and I think that a
I posted that western men should be extremely cautious when dealing with the sexy, fun and polite Chinese girls.
She therefore told me that we should be friends, as if I were her "brother". I was sad at first, but later felt some relief. Some other guy will have that stress of living with a stranger, or her family, or who knows what?
She came to visit me last night. After watching a slideshow on my tv of Baja Mexico pictures from my recent trip, I was ready for bed. She was demure taking her clothes off and I offered her a t-shirt to sleep in.
Once in bed, I made a grab for her, and she said "But, we are sister and brother now." I said "OK, I guess I am a perverted brother then."
She said "Maybe we can continue to be 'special friends'?"
She mentioned introducing a Chinese girl to me and I thought it was a trick. But, maybe someday she will, if she ever actually hooks up with the guy who is interested in starting a family.
The Chinese woman is intelligent, charming, hardworking, sexy, polite and pretty. Just exercise extreme caution with her, to us she is from another planet.
This may not interest many, but I found it interesting so am posting. My Shanghai lady friend met me in an undisclosed motel for a rendezvous. After round #2 she went to the toilet as I lay in bed and kept talking to me as she sat on the commode with the door open. After I heard no [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) running from her, I thought "oh-oh. " She was not shy about taking a crap a few feet from me, and I suggested she may like to close the door. She did after I made a joke, but she would have kept it open. I found it kind of cute and interesting. I can't remember any other woman having this kind of attitude towards her body functions. She always exhibits classy behavior and was a professional in Shanghai, and is a university graduate. Anyway, I thought later "oops, I should have let her keep the door open, in Japan and Germany they relish this kind of stuff". Darnit, what was I thinking?That was just the way to show her intimacy with you, without much privacy. In China, there is hardly any private place. I know, as I have met a few when I went there.
Meiguoguizi
01-28-10, 22:52
I continue to see girls who offer me the opportunity to fuck them. Do you?
The point of my posts is a warning to unsuspecting American or western men who go to China and may be accosted by mobs of horny Chinese girls with aspirations.
Thanks for the heads up.
We selfless products of the American educational system have to watch out for each other.
You did not mention how old, what stages of life you are both in. I hope she is of a very high caliber to be worth the hassles.
It's normal for girls in both Western and Eastern culture to play all the games in hope to marry desirable mates.
Chinese girls will have relationships with many guys, on many levels, while they try to hook the best candidate for marriage. Most Chinese girls I know have very active sexual lives. They do it for physical gratifications as well as to keep the guys interested. Usually in China when the girls get pregnant, they either get the guys to marry them, or they will get abortions and start new relationships.
This Shanghai girl appears to have big interests in you as a good mate. She's manipulating your feelings by playing these games and witholding sex from you, but most likely are sleeping with others. You should insist on sex as a precondition to continue the relationship. It's only normal human needs. She needs sex too, sometimes badly...
Chinese or Western, any girls who go into bedrooms or hotel rooms with guys are ready for sex. The guys just have to be insistent in nice, fun, gentle ways so the girls are not scared off...
Thank you for your post. I deleted a longer post outlining how devious and tricky her games were. I was in a weakened emotional state at the time and she seemed to take advantage. But, I agree all women behave this way to some degree. I had been totally honest with her. Anyway, now we are back to both playing games. Too bad for her, her attitude has made me only distrust her.
Bad or good, women should not be manipulative. They must leave men who are assholes, but they shouldn't play games with men whom they value.
I was at the stage where I was interested in marrying the woman last summer. She is 40 but still attractive. I know she believes she is running out of time.
Bob Builder
01-29-10, 02:44
I continue to see girls who offer me the opportunity to fuck them. Do you?
The point of my posts is a warning to unsuspecting American or western men who go to China and may be accosted by mobs of horny Chinese girls with aspirations. They have guile and skill beyond western girls.
I have no idea who inhabits this forum. I have assumed this is read by Americans who travel the world looking to get laid.
The name of this particular forum is "opinions and advice". So, I have an opinion.
I do not blame Chinese girls for being themselves, just want other guys who are not anthropologists to recognize what they may have to deal with.
When the Shanghai girl asks me about using my capital to start a business with her in China, I politely decline. I don't want to expose myself to any more two legged snakes.
Then maybe you wear earplugs when you fuck her and report aobut the sex here than all that other BS. And if she is just a fuck, why do you care about all the other stuff?
Wake up. Western men don't get accosted by mobs of horny Chinese girls, its more like horny Western guys catching yellow fever and wanting a bit of Chinese snatch.
You have your opinion but you are like a broken record, just repeating the same track over and over again.
Just my opinion!
Then maybe you wear earplugs when you fuck her and report aobut the sex here than all that other BS. And if she is just a fuck, why do you care about all the other stuff?
Wake up. Western men don't get accosted by mobs of horny Chinese girls, its more like horny Western guys catching yellow fever and wanting a bit of Chinese snatch.
You have your opinion but you are like a broken record, just repeating the same track over and over again.
Just my opinion!
A warning to Western and American men about the sly ways of a Chinese woman (who sounds typical) was my entire purpose. The other BS you don't like is by way of explanation. There is no way a guy over in China won't meet a girl who will enchant him, so some guys need to know they are entering new territory where home field rules do not apply.
Bob Builder
01-29-10, 05:59
A warning to Western and American men about the sly ways of a Chinese woman (who sounds typical) was my entire purpose. The other BS you don't like is by way of explanation. There is no way a guy over in China won't meet a girl who will enchant him, so some guys need to know they are entering new territory where home field rules do not apply.
So why don't you go post this stuff on a more relevant forum where lonely fuckers look for companionship and marriage instead of here where most guys are just looking to get laid, or do you post on those as well.
I'll repeat since you like to do so, you keep writing the same thing over and over again, same gal same stuff.
The other BS just shows that you should stick to domestically reared pussy as you don't have enough "game" for the imported stuff.
Wake up. Western men don't get accosted by mobs of horny Chinese girls, its more like horny Western guys catching yellow fever and wanting a bit of Chinese snatch.
You have your opinion but you are like a broken record, just repeating the same track over and over again.
Just my opinion!
I get disappointed if I go out for the day and a girl does not try to pick me up. Its not yellow fever its a good looking girl half my age giving me an opportunity. I don't need any fever to pick her up I don't even go looking anymore.
Anyone here for the first time should be advised its a buyers market, what games they play the cultural difference to age gap, what they mean when they say something, and what crap you don't need to put up with. How many would fall for the scams if you did not read it on here Shanghai tea house for example or apartment robbery's. Its good people share information don't like it don't read it, Why do we need ISG in China anyway if all you want is sex in China.
Just my opinion :-)
Bob Builder
01-29-10, 08:00
I get disappointed if I go out for the day and a girl does not try to pick me up. Its not yellow fever its a good looking girl half my age giving me an opportunity. I don't need any fever to pick her up I don't even go looking anymore.
Anyone here for the first time should be advised its a buyers market, what games they play the cultural difference to age gap, what they mean when they say something, and what crap you don't need to put up with. How many would fall for the scams if you did not read it on here Shanghai tea house for example or apartment robbery's. Its good people share information don't like it don't read it, Why do we need ISG in China anyway if all you want is sex in China.
Just my opinion :-)
Then you are very one lucky dude and don't need to to be on the InternationalSexGuide at all.
The problems that this guy can't deal with are not peculilar to a Chinese person. Who from a not so well off background does not try to help their family or in some cases send their children to live with relatives who could do dedicate more time and do a better job of taking care of them. Just a brief example when I do a Wikipedia search of some personalities from the US, there are many who were brought up by their Grandmothers or Aunts. How can you vilify an entire ethnic race of women from the limited experience of a sample of 1.
What crap you put up with is your own choice.
Jmelbourne
01-29-10, 09:26
Hey,
I don't know how to find a Chinese girlfriend.
What should I do?
WHere should I go?
You guys seem to be very well traveled.
I found it easy to get a GF in Thailand, but here...not so easy.
Meiguoguizi
01-29-10, 13:48
Then you are very one lucky dude and don't need to to be on the InternationalSexGuide at all.
What crap you put up with is your own choice.
Bob,
A quick review of the posts by these two gentlemen will tell you that one expert has been in China less than a year. And the others "shanghai girl-friend" in California was already the object of his mania in 2006 - ("Hi Santa, sorry to burst your bubble. I treat all hookers with respect, kindness, tenderness and you know what? They are some of the most conniving, manipulative, venal, double dealing women on the planet. How do I know this? I cohabitate with one at the moment, and I read her journal when she is taking a bath. I should post it sometime to educate the clueless mongers such as you... regards Dash") As a result of this Shanghai Taitai's infidelity and successful acquisition of his limited wealth, he has been selflessly educating "clueless mongers" such as us for quite awhile.
I'm not quite sure what it is about the "China women -opinions and advice" thread that brings out the whiners. Maybe it should be retitled - "This Chinese hooker half my age took all my money and I thought she really loved me."
Then you are very one lucky dude and don't need to to be on the InternationalSexGuide at all.
The problems that this guy can't deal with are not peculilar to a Chinese person. Who from a not so well off background does not try to help their family or in some cases send their children to live with relatives who could do dedicate more time and do a better job of taking care of them. Just a brief example when I do a Wikipedia search of some personalities from the US, there are many who were brought up by their Grandmothers or Aunts. How can you vilify an entire ethnic race of women from the limited experience of a sample of 1.
What crap you put up with is your own choice.
Maybe I'm just a nice likable lucky guy who never gets too serious,:-)
Bob,
A quick review of the posts by these two gentlemen will tell you that one expert has been in China less than a year. And the others "shanghai girl-friend" in California was already the object of his mania in 2006 - ("Hi Santa, sorry to burst your bubble. I treat all hookers with respect, kindness, tenderness and you know what? They are some of the most conniving, manipulative, venal, double dealing women on the planet. How do I know this? I cohabitate with one at the moment, and I read her journal when she is taking a bath. I should post it sometime to educate the clueless mongers such as you... regards Dash") As a result of this Shanghai Taitai's infidelity and successful acquisition of his limited wealth, he has been selflessly educating "clueless mongers" such as us for quite awhile.
I'm not quite sure what it is about the "China women -opinions and advice" thread that brings out the whiners. Maybe it should be retitled - "This Chinese hooker half my age took all my money and I thought she really loved me."
Were do I use the word Expert Thats the time you should leave China if you know everything, Ive been here a year this trip true but altogether a bit longer, Since retiring I have a bit more time to enjoy the hobby and stay here,
I find the woman OK here, depends were you look,Try too find one thats educated. I tried long term relationships a few years ago with Shanghai girls including a Doctor not great but they were still 10 times better than the western woman I dated. Its Opinions and advice good or bad everyone should have there say this thread as Jackson has said this is like the world war one trenches no one likes to post in China, just block people you don't agree with.
Bob Builder
01-29-10, 18:49
Were do I use the word Expert Thats the time you should leave China if you know everything, Ive been here a year this trip true but altogether a bit longer, Since retiring I have a bit more time to enjoy the hobby and stay here,
I find the woman OK here, depends were you look,Try too find one thats educated. I tried long term relationships a few years ago with Shanghai girls including a Doctor not great but they were still 10 times better than the western woman I dated. Its Opinions and advice good or bad everyone should have there say this thread as Jackson has said this is like the world war one trenches no one likes to post in China, just block people you don't agree with.
The reason I commented on Dash's post is that I saw he posted here (I prefer reading reports on the Southern China threads on where the action is) and wanted to see new stuff he had to say but it was just the same stuff he started here a few months ago. Now Meiguoguzi states he has been saying the same stuff about the same 1 woman for the past 4 years.
So why don't you go post this stuff on a more relevant forum where lonely fuckers look for companionship and marriage instead of here where most guys are just looking to get laid, or do you post on those as well.
I'll repeat since you like to do so, you keep writing the same thing over and over again, same gal same stuff.
The other BS just shows that you should stick to domestically reared pussy as you don't have enough "game" for the imported stuff.
I put the warning where someone like me may find it. Actually, imported stuff is what I have usually found in California: Vietnamese, Japanese, Mexican, etc.(Americans too, can't discriminate). Since I get pussy for free most of the time, I guess I have game enough.
Bob,
A quick review of the posts by these two gentlemen will tell you that one expert has been in China less than a year. And the others "shanghai girl-friend" in California was already the object of his mania in 2006 - ("Hi Santa, sorry to burst your bubble. I treat all hookers with respect, kindness, tenderness and you know what? They are some of the most conniving, manipulative, venal, double dealing women on the planet. How do I know this? I cohabitate with one at the moment, and I read her journal when she is taking a bath. I should post it sometime to educate the clueless mongers such as you... regards Dash") As a result of this Shanghai Taitai's infidelity and successful acquisition of his limited wealth, he has been selflessly educating "clueless mongers" such as us for quite awhile.
I'm not quite sure what it is about the "China women -opinions and advice" thread that brings out the whiners. Maybe it should be retitled - "This Chinese hooker half my age took all my money and I thought she really loved me."
You are mixing up two girls. I once had a gorgeous young hooker ask to move in years ago between real girlfriends. She is in no way related to Shanghai Lil who is not nor ever was a hooker. My dabbling with American hookers was a temporary lapse of sanity and judgement. However, a former "barely legal" magazine model was captivating for several stressful weeks.
Shanghai Lil searched my desk and file cabinet, found a couple of the hooker letters and pictures, took them away and burned them. FYI.
Maybe I'm just a nice likable lucky guy who never gets too serious,:-)
If you are thinking of bringing one back to the USA or elsewhere, you should be advised to keep it that way. FYI.
In China, they know they are just one among zillions vying for your attention. Take one out of that environment and watch out.
The reason I commented on Dash's post is that I saw he posted here (I prefer reading reports on the Southern China threads on where the action is) and wanted to see new stuff he had to say but it was just the same stuff he started here a few months ago. Now Meiguoguzi states he has been saying the same stuff about the same 1 woman for the past 4 years.
Actually, my new "information" was how much of a liar and deceiver this "ideal" woman was.
She was honest to be completely up front with her goals, plans, dreams etc.
She was completely dishonest with a lot of other stuff, but more details of this would bore the rest.
"I hope someday I can meet someone who wants to really have a family with me. If I never can, I will accept my fate" In fact, she already has a dude who is waiting. She confessed this to me out of frustration finally. I could give many more examples, but what's the point? I offend some because they feel I am attacking their culture.
Actually, her culture is more like a religion. It's beliefs and customs cannot be challenged or the name calling and abuse begins to the "non-believer".
Finally, I am very happy for my experience on this forum. It made it a very easy decision not to offer to support Shanhai Lil's parents and brother, and possiby who knows who else?
OldAsiaHand
01-30-10, 03:10
Actually, my new "information" was how much of a liar and deceiver this "ideal" woman was.
She was honest to be completely up front with her goals, plans, dreams etc.
She was completely dishonest with a lot of other stuff, but more details of this would bore the rest.
"I hope someday I can meet someone who wants to really have a family with me. If I never can, I will accept my fate" In fact, she already has a dude who is waiting. She confessed this to me out of frustration finally. I could give many more examples, but what's the point? I offend some because they feel I am attacking their culture.
Actually, her culture is more like a religion. It's beliefs and customs cannot be challenged or the name calling and abuse begins to the "non-believer".
Finally, I am very happy for my experience on this forum. It made it a very easy decision not to offer to support Shanhai Lil's parents and brother, and possiby who knows who else?
Dash,
I'm with Bob Builder on this. You keep re-hashing the same shit over and over again about this Shanghai Lil. IMHO, nothing is new in your most recent posts.
Just keep tagging her for free if she is keen and you are able to keep the relationship on that level. Otherwise, cut her loose and stop bitching about it. You are not going to change her desires to support her family. As you have been told many times here, it is normal.
Just my POV.
OAH
The reason I commented on Dash's post is that I saw he posted here (I prefer reading reports on the Southern China threads on where the action is) and wanted to see new stuff he had to say but it was just the same stuff he started here a few months ago. Now Meiguoguzi states he has been saying the same stuff about the same 1 woman for the past 4 years.
Thanks for that. Subject closed my end , I'm going back to hunting pussy Found 2 places closed, I think due to a new property development? 4 new ones nearby last night, Near your hunting ground, 200 quickly back down to 150, I'm getting to generous.
Dash,
I'm with Bob Builder on this. You keep re-hashing the same shit over and over again about this Shanghai Lil. IMHO, nothing is new in your most recent posts.
Just keep tagging her for free if she is keen and you are able to keep the relationship on that level. Otherwise, cut her loose and stop bitching about it. You are not going to change her desires to support her family. As you have been told many times here, it is normal.
Just my POV.
OAH
Thanks for your comment. The "news" was she admitted lying and has someone in the wings the entire time she was "negotiating". The second news was she said she would like to continue with me even if she has someone else. The Lil chronicles may be irrelevant to most, annoying to others, but are a warning to some. One out of three is all I hope for.
Perhaps others have posted about non-hooker encounters with Chinese women here, but it seems to be rare.
Bob Builder
01-30-10, 11:49
Thanks for your comment. The "news" was she admitted lying and has someone in the wings the entire time she was "negotiating". The second news was she said she would like to continue with me even if she has someone else. The Lil chronicles may be irrelevant to most, annoying to others, but are a warning to some. One out of three is all I hope for.
Perhaps others have posted about non-hooker encounters with Chinese women here, but it seems to be rare.
The answer to that is self explanatory and obvious. We fuck them, pay them and then tell them to fuck off.
Then you don't spend 4 years of mental anguish and byatching about it on ISG.
The answer to that is self explanatory and obvious. We fuck them, pay them and then tell them to fuck off.
Then you don't spend 4 years of mental anguish and byatching about it on ISG.
It's been just a few months that she's been giving me shit. I hope others who have Chinese girlfriends (not hookers) avoid this anguish.
Unlike many mongers, I have only dabbled in that "sport".
I did learn not to try to change her beliefs and goals. The next guy will end up either cohabitating with a bunch of strangers or sending his child to another country thousands of miles from the USA to be raised by people he can't communicate with.
I also pity the next guy, his trophy wife will be out fooling around, evidently.
I never lecture others, including mongers, about how to deal with people. But I gave fair warning for those considering "buying the cow" to get the milk. The cow "renters" (mongers) won't care, so I planned on stopping any further updates on Lil.
Lost in my posts is that with Lil I was sincere and honest, but this sincerity was not returned. I was ready to "buy the Chinese product" whole hog, but the "factory" changed the specification just at the moment of truth. This may be typical behavior. If so, a warning to other guys out there.
Married, wealthy, old, retired, businessmen, or Chinese mongers aren't the target of my warning. They may not worry about being in a sincere relationship with a Chinese woman probably. Or do not want a relationship with just one of them.
Everyone's input has been appreciated, regardless of message.
Meiguoguizi
01-31-10, 02:34
Lost in my posts is that with Lil I was sincere and honest, but this sincerity was not returned. I was ready to "buy the Chinese product" whole hog, but the "factory" changed the specification just at the moment of truth. This may be typical behavior. If so, a warning to other guys out there.
Married, wealthy, old, retired, businessmen, or Chinese mongers aren't the target of my warning. They may not worry about being in a sincere relationship with a Chinese woman probably. Or do not want a relationship with just one of them.
Everyone's input has been appreciated, regardless of message.
You're very welcome. Now, please, STFU.
You're very welcome. Now, please, STFU.Good One.
If my signif. other look like that, i would be on the computer fantasizing a lot so that i can forget about what i really got at home.
You did some great work in finding the real Mrs.Dash. Good Job, maybe now DASH would STFU.
Clandestine782
01-31-10, 11:50
i have been sketching ideas about things that women in china "go for" (other than money, since i am not a ccp official or a businessman).
if you think that you know how these things can be developed, give me some suggestions.
1. there is a proverb for every single occasion in china. i have learned a decent number of proverbs, but wonder what do you guys think about the benefits of embarking on a good study of them. i am told that (in the minds of chinese people) having a proverb ready for every occasion denotes intellectual ability. what do you think it might do with women? whenever i do use proverbs in speech, people will tell me that "oh, that is from the qin dynasty." do proverbs from some times sound better than others? (i'd gotten most of my proverbs from a book that detailed their origins in just that dynasty, but for some reason they just don't seem to work when i try to use them.)
2. what do women here think about playing instruments/ musical ability? i can play piano, but am not sure how to sell this idea. i'd spoken to some hotels here about working for one night a week-- and billing myself as a jazz pianist (i am actually about as much of a jazz pianist as mike tyson is), but whenever i sit down and play something-- no matter what genre-- people will say "oh, jazz!" the other thing is that it seems that women here like the ability to song. (i am a second tenor, and that is not the most preferred vocalist range. it seems like people who sell the most albums are tenors, so i'm not sure that serenading a woman would have that effect. i have passed through many a hotel and found philippino bands playing shit like the carpenters ("yesterday once more") and a lot of other generally corny shit.
3. what about learning poems? has anyone found that is a good selling point?
4. talking about topics that i read in books seems like it would be a bad idea. women everywhere *cringe* when one brings up something too analytical. but might this be done in a workable way?
what selling points have you guys found effective?
Crazy Jim Wood
01-31-10, 14:53
everytime i hear a proverb from the qin dynasty i think: what, your country has half the world's population, and you could not think of anything better in 2 thousand years?
so i don't think ancient proverbs impress anyone any more than a dancing bear might. we all smile politely but while a dancing bear might be amusing to villagers it is not the type of thing anyone wants in their house.
i think new material always impresses more.
poetry... art work... i have invited a few lasses over to my place to look at my scroll of ancient poetry ha ha but somehow they never asked to see it. more often i ask if they want to see a movie and we never finish the movie. it is just a polite fiction something to say instead of let's go back to my place to fuck.
i think at the end of the day, a woman sees something in you that she likes, and she puts up with corny proverbs, poems, music, etc, or finds those things as an easier way to describe what she likes. remember we're animals, we like each other because of how we smell, the symmetry of our bodies and faces, because we see the vestiges of someone else, or we put up with someone we don't like because we're horny and would fuck a hole in the ground (man's case) or we have a baby to feed (woman's case). rather hard to say i liked him at first because he was rich and later because he has a nice smell so instead woman tells all her friends you're educated know some corny old proverbs abd have a qing dynasty vase.
cjw
i have been sketching ideas about things that women in china "go for" (other than money, since i am not a ccp official or a businessman).
if you think that you know how these things can be developed, give me some suggestions.
1. there is a proverb for every single occasion in china. i have learned a decent number of proverbs, but wonder what do you guys think about the benefits of embarking on a good study of them. i am told that (in the minds of chinese people) having a proverb ready for every occasion denotes intellectual ability. what do you think it might do with women? whenever i do use proverbs in speech, people will tell me that "oh, that is from the qin dynasty." do proverbs from some times sound better than others? (i'd gotten most of my proverbs from a book that detailed their origins in just that dynasty, but for some reason they just don't seem to work when i try to use them.)
2. what do women here think about playing instruments/ musical ability? i can play piano, but am not sure how to sell this idea. i'd spoken to some hotels here about working for one night a week-- and billing myself as a jazz pianist (i am actually about as much of a jazz pianist as mike tyson is), but whenever i sit down and play something-- no matter what genre-- people will say "oh, jazz!" the other thing is that it seems that women here like the ability to song. (i am a second tenor, and that is not the most preferred vocalist range. it seems like people who sell the most albums are tenors, so i'm not sure that serenading a woman would have that effect. i have passed through many a hotel and found philippino bands playing shit like the carpenters ("yesterday once more") and a lot of other generally corny shit.
3. what about learning poems? has anyone found that is a good selling point?
4. talking about topics that i read in books seems like it would be a bad idea. women everywhere *cringe* when one brings up something too analytical. but might this be done in a workable way?
what selling points have you guys found effective?
i have been sketching ideas about things that women in china "go for" (other than money, since i am not a ccp official or a businessman).
if you think that you know how these things can be developed, give me some suggestions.
1. there is a proverb for every single occasion in china. i have learned a decent number of proverbs, but wonder what do you guys think about the benefits of embarking on a good study of them. i am told that (in the minds of chinese people) having a proverb ready for every occasion denotes intellectual ability. what do you think it might do with women? whenever i do use proverbs in speech, people will tell me that "oh, that is from the qin dynasty." do proverbs from some times sound better than others? (i'd gotten most of my proverbs from a book that detailed their origins in just that dynasty, but for some reason they just don't seem to work when i try to use them.)
2. what do women here think about playing instruments/ musical ability? i can play piano, but am not sure how to sell this idea. i'd spoken to some hotels here about working for one night a week-- and billing myself as a jazz pianist (i am actually about as much of a jazz pianist as mike tyson is), but whenever i sit down and play something-- no matter what genre-- people will say "oh, jazz!" the other thing is that it seems that women here like the ability to song. (i am a second tenor, and that is not the most preferred vocalist range. it seems like people who sell the most albums are tenors, so i'm not sure that serenading a woman would have that effect. i have passed through many a hotel and found philippino bands playing shit like the carpenters ("yesterday once more") and a lot of other generally corny shit.
3. what about learning poems? has anyone found that is a good selling point?
4. talking about topics that i read in books seems like it would be a bad idea. women everywhere *cringe* when one brings up something too analytical. but might this be done in a workable way?
what selling points have you guys found effective?
good looks and nice clothes are a start. wear a watch. get a haircut and manicure. be in physical shape. stand up straight and be unfailingly polite. do not: spit, gamble, get drunk, loud, etc. in foreign countries, name brands have cachet if you want to wear them. listen to girls' stories. if you are sympathetic and interested, good. if not, just listen anyway. pay the girl compliments and ask what her special skills are. let her show them.
never look away at the other hotties around, especially if they are her friends.
fast women care about different things than women you want for a long term relationship. what a long term girlfriend cares much about is if the guy is reliable, not a playboy, obviously she wants a guy who is successful or seems on the way to success.
if you have some interest in her culture and show it, she will feel complimented also.
i've found this to be universally true in the four countries i have lived in. it's likely the same in others i visited.
Good looks and nice clothes are a start. Wear a watch. Get a haircut and manicure.
My Chinese wife will not let me cut my hair, Says it makes me look clever like a professor, Its a real pain and I look look an old hippie.Problem when you return home with wet hair from a massage, One day I met this young chick in a cafe she looks at me and says are you a professor, I just smiled and said what makes you think that. Long hair seems too work.
Shes forever cutting my nails, Notice some locals have long pinky nails not sure what that is for, but cannot imagine women would let that any were near them.
Watch plenty of fakes work just make sure its not a rolex.
Crazy Jim Wood
02-01-10, 16:45
Long fingernails supposedly indicate you do not work in a field and ergo have money. Today I think it only indicates that you do not work in a field becuse you own a taxi.
Sometimes I see the long pinky nail on the hand of a cab driver.
But usually you never see the long pinky nail. Since it is normally burried in the ear of said cab driver.
To see the pinky nail, look for the yellow blur as it flicks a balll of ear wax before being reinserted.
However, should you ever see a BROWN pinkie nail, do not shake hands with the owner.
However, no foreigner should ever allow his pinkie nail to grow, unless of course he also owns a taxi.
My Chinese wife will not let me cut my hair, Says it makes me look clever like a professor, Its a real pain and I look look an old hippie.Problem when you return home with wet hair from a massage, One day I met this young chick in a cafe she looks at me and says are you a professor, I just smiled and said what makes you think that. Long hair seems too work.
Shes forever cutting my nails, Notice some locals have long pinky nails not sure what that is for, but cannot imagine women would let that any were near them.
Watch plenty of fakes work just make sure its not a rolex.
Meiguoguizi
02-01-10, 23:56
What selling points have you guys found effective?
In a lecture center of 150 college women, in answer to the question: "What kind of boyfriend do you want" one freshman girl answered "Generous", to thunderous applause.
Receiving gifts is not merely the province of working girls. It is ALWAYS expected.
Horneblower
03-16-10, 04:47
I live in Beijing and my Chinese wife is absent much of the time. She has offered me the opportunity to find a woman to sleep with me (and sometimes us). She has presented me with two candidates but I did not like either one. Of course we’d pay the girl, house and feed her, etc and she’d have to perform some other services as well, like housekeeping. Now, I want to do some “recruiting” of my own! I think fellow members might have some thoughts that could help me and us.
Now most of the BBS girls and WGs here must be recruited from their villages and small towns. A friend of mine even met an Australian guy in HK who claimed to be a “recruiter”. I would like to find a recruiter, or a trusted mamasan or papasan who can help me in my search. I know my wife would prefer a young girl, who has been trained in how to please, including massage but is not yet a WG.
Can anyone introduce a “recruiter”, or a mama or papa? Does anyone have any thoughts about if this can work?
Hornblower: You are in luck. Don't tempt your luck. Let your wife handle this. She is Chinese. She will have to manage the girl. The girl will report to her. (In every sense of the word.) As the husband, you should reserve the right of refusal, but let her do the recruiting. This way, if something goes wrong, it will be her fault. If and when the arrangement comes to fruition, you want a piece of paper (in English, unless you know Chinese) in which she assents and in which she declares that she does not view the arrangement as infidelity or bigamy.
I live in Beijing and my Chinese wife is absent much of the time. She has offered me the opportunity to find a woman to sleep with me (and sometimes us). She has presented me with two candidates but I did not like either one. Of course we’d pay the girl, house and feed her, etc and she’d have to perform some other services as well, like housekeeping. Now, I want to do some “recruiting” of my own! I think fellow members might have some thoughts that could help me and us.
Now most of the BBS girls and WGs here must be recruited from their villages and small towns. A friend of mine even met an Australian guy in HK who claimed to be a “recruiter”. I would like to find a recruiter, or a trusted mamasan or papasan who can help me in my search. I know my wife would prefer a young girl, who has been trained in how to please, including massage but is not yet a WG.
Can anyone introduce a “recruiter”, or a mama or papa? Does anyone have any thoughts about if this can work?
Hornblower: You are in luck, and you should let your wife handle this.
Agree with Zhuren, if she chooses less chance of upsetting her if the girl gets too attached.
Tell your wife what you expect her to find for you. I am sure she will do her best.
I would not expect her to choose someone more beautiful than herself. If you can get a nice body and good attitude go for that above looks in my view.
BJK
Horneblower
03-18-10, 17:14
Hornblower: You are in luck. Don't tempt your luck. Let your wife handle this. She is Chinese. She will have to manage the girl. The girl will report to her. (In every sense of the word.) As the husband, you should reserve the right of refusal, but let her do the recruiting. This way, if something goes wrong, it will be her fault. If and when the arrangement comes to fruition, you want a piece of paper (in English, unless you know Chinese) in which she assents and in which she declares that she does not view the arrangement as infidelity or bigamy.Well Zhuren and BJK, many thanks. Can you help me help my wife by finding a few of the WG recruiters? A friend of mine met an Australian in Hong Kong who did this work but the idiot lost the guy's card. Some friend!
In a lecture center of 150 college women, in answer to the question: "What kind of boyfriend do you want" one freshman girl answered "Generous", to thunderous applause.
Receiving gifts is not merely the province of working girls. It is ALWAYS expected.It's not the gift per se, it's the promise of good / better life they are seeking.
I never give gifts. Chinese Girls do expect Gifts from a generous Chinese boyfriend who takes care of her and is romantic like in a stupid Koreanmovie, but for sex I just use my "oh you're so tall" "of your eyes are so blue" and "oh you look like hugh grant" skills.
I tease them, then instead of being nice I act like a jerk (but a nice jerk you have to find the right angle) and then I stop talking and let them speak until they feel uncomfortable, then I Kiss them and done. Doesn't work on every girl every time but does work. I esecially do that if I intend to have a relationship with a girl, I don't want to end up with a golddiger so my first test is always to make sure money is not the issue. Got several girls to pay for the drinks an the hotel (I mean by themselves, I wasn't trying to save money or anything).
Hey guys, long-time reader but first-time poster on the China forums here.
I'm going to be making business trips to China quite frequently for the next year or so, and of course female companionship would be much appreciated. I've heard some great rumors here and there about hot Chinese girls throwing themselves all over you, but I kind of wanted a little more fact than fiction.
Basically I was wondering if it would be in my better interest to stick to the MPs, saunas, KTVs, etc and pay as I go, pick up freebies, or should I try to keep a casual girlfriend?
I'm 27, decent-looking, in shape, and can speak Chinese at a basic conversational level. My company's based in Taiwan right now, and I'll be making trips to the South China area about once a month, though I'll probably only be staying 4-5 days at a time.
I already have someone in Taiwan, so if I'm going to have a relationship in China, I would need her to be at least a solid 8 or better. How easy would it be to get and keep a girl like that?
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks guys!
South Gate
03-23-10, 11:29
Very easy for a young 27 year old stud like you to keep a pretty girl here. But it will be expensive, "probably".
Regarding saunas and MPs, it depends on your taste. Generally saunas are less personal but the girls can be gorgeous. MPs are more friendly but the environment is sometimes grubby and the girls may not be as attractive. I never go to KTVS. When I have, I found them overpriced and largely a waste of time.
Hey guys, long-time reader but first-time poster on the China forums here.
I'm going to be making business trips to China quite frequently for the next year or so, and of course female companionship would be much appreciated. I've heard some great rumors here and there about hot Chinese girls throwing themselves all over you, but I kind of wanted a little more fact than fiction.
Basically I was wondering if it would be in my better interest to stick to the MPs, saunas, KTVs, etc and pay as I go, pick up freebies, or should I try to keep a casual girlfriend?
I'm 27, decent-looking, in shape, and can speak Chinese at a basic conversational level. My company's based in Taiwan right now, and I'll be making trips to the South China area about once a month, though I'll probably only be staying 4-5 days at a time.
I already have someone in Taiwan, so if I'm going to have a relationship in China, I would need her to be at least a solid 8 or better. How easy would it be to get and keep a girl like that?
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks guys!
Uncle Wayne
03-23-10, 12:35
27, decent-looking, in shape, businessman, and can also speak Chinese? Hot Chinese girls will be all over you, my friend. You will be seeing more ass than a rental care without even breaking a sweat. And rest assured, they will all be top-notch.
The question really becomes whether or not you want to keep a particular girl for the long-term. My advice is to avoid going down that road. Let's take a look at why.
1. A guy with your qualifications in China is truly a catch for the local girls. But you are also the goose that lays the golden egg. I'm not being cynical, but a lot of these girls probably just want you for your money. Sometimes it's to pamper them with luxuries, other times it's to support an entire family back home. Dating is a lot different in China, and I think it's safe to say that Chinese girls are a lot more cunning than the ones we're used to back home. For a rookie Westerner, you'll be in way over your head by the time you realize it.
2. You'll be visiting China once a month, about 4-5 days at a time. While that may sound frequent to you, it still makes you only a visitor and not a resident. There isn't much of a benefit to keeping a girlfriend on the side for you. It's not like you're sitting around bored at home all the time. After you take of business and catch up with some colleagues, you'll probably only have 1-2 nights free to yourself. Regular girlfriends are for those who have a lot of time on their hands. Jetsetting studs like you go for hot flings.
3. As an extension of the above point, you already have a girlfriend or wife back home. Unlike some people who only return home once or twice a year, you'll be spending the majority of your time there, meaning your significant other is about 100 times more likely to find out if you have a girlfriend in China. Trust me, women can always tell, even if you're James Bond. Your sins in China should never be able to follow you pass the airport security gate.
My advice is to just pick up new chicks as you need them. A guy with your qualifications should have no shortage of supply. If you're too lazy to go fish for easy freebies (assuming they haven't latched on to you already), just go relax at a sauna or MP. Exchange a few numbers with the ones you like just so you can have a few "tried and true" girls to call the next time around.
Actually, good quality working girls may actually be better than freebies for you. Remember, some guys pay girls to have sex with them while others pay girls to LEAVE after having sex with them. Keep that in mind.
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OldAsiaHand
04-18-10, 03:56
In a lecture center of 150 college women, in answer to the question: "What kind of boyfriend do you want" one freshman girl answered "Generous", to thunderous applause.
Receiving gifts is not merely the province of working girls. It is ALWAYS expected.
China is a gifting society at all levels; friends, business associates, government officials, etc., therefore, the same applies to relationships with the opposite sex.
Small gifts go a long way to getting what you want in China.
Just my POV.
OAH
Hey guys, long-time reader but first-time poster on the China forums here.
I'm going to be making business trips to China quite frequently for the next year or so, and of course female companionship would be much appreciated. I've heard some great rumors here and there about hot Chinese girls throwing themselves all over you, but I kind of wanted a little more fact than fiction.
Basically I was wondering if it would be in my better interest to stick to the MPs, saunas, KTVs, etc and pay as I go, pick up freebies, or should I try to keep a casual girlfriend?
I'm 27, decent-looking, in shape, and can speak Chinese at a basic conversational level. My company's based in Taiwan right now, and I'll be making trips to the South China area about once a month, though I'll probably only be staying 4-5 days at a time.
I already have someone in Taiwan, so if I'm going to have a relationship in China, I would need her to be at least a solid 8 or better. How easy would it be to get and keep a girl like that?
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks guys!
There are many Hong Kong weekenders who sponsor girls from Shenzhen to guangzhou. Many are businessmen who can do this. But the downside is you do not know what she is doing behind your back. It is always very easy to get good looking girls for companionship, sex anytime you want. If you are looking for a normal girl there will be added demands for permanent relationship with kids etc.
You better stick to mongering.
FernandoAlonso
04-18-10, 15:41
But the downside is you do not know what she is doing behind your back. It is always very easy to get good looking girls for companionship, sex anytime you want. You know what they are doing behind your back, you do. It is on their back.
If you do it for money you buy her time, if you are in a relationship she may be trusted, but the demands against you will be high, not necessarily only monetary if you meet her under normal circumstances. But all the girls in the business are in the business for money, most not because they want. They simply have to.
So what you are looking for is a paid relationship and it is your choice whether you are a serial monogamist or a monger. But it never will be a real GF. And in all honesty you do not offer a real boyfriend relation either.
So what you pay is what you will get, either way. Also if you can exploit your advantage of being a young businesspeson with fluent Chinese, aka a prime target. It starts all so easy here but can end very bad.
No offence, no judgement, just experiences from me and friends. Getting a girl here is simple but you better think of the consequences before you get burned.
Enjoy live, play safe
FA
Martini Easy
04-19-10, 10:35
Long time listener, first time poster. I live in China and occasionally visit the saunas and massage joints. I am married but my wife does not live here.
We have a pretty open relationship and I am sure she knows what goes on but we do not discuss it.
On a visit to a big city I get way over drunk with a friend and he takes me to a girly bar. Well known but not the most popular. At this level of drunkenness, I didn't need to be there. That was last summer.
In my drunken state I spot an attractive girl and the next thing I know we are in bed at my hotel.
I do not remember much about that night and I am sure my performance was poor. But we connected. The following morning we had sex and she left. I got her number. I was surprised at my own feelings. I had never before made any emotional connection with a WG.
On several visits after that I always told her I was coming in advance and she always spent the night. I paid well but not over the top.
I tried not to judge, we get along great.
Over the months, she has travelled with me and we have spent many days and nights together.
I have real feelings for this girl and she accepts that I am married and will not divorce.
I am willing to help her financially if she quits the WG scene. She will not accept. She returns to the bar as soon as she gets back to the Big City. She often says that she is only meeting friends, but I know she is working.
She tells me she really cares for me as well and I believe it to some extent but I always have doubts that I am just a good customer. She never asks me for money anymore, although I usually offer some. We go shopping as well but she never buys anything expensive.
I admit I have fallen for this girl. The sex is great and so is the time we spend together. I have become emotionally involved.
I cannot commit long term but I want her to quit the WG scene. She does not seem interested. I have some doubts she hates it as much as she says.
She told me she does not like the work but needed to raise some cash and then return home. She figured she would be doing this for about a year. But lately she always seems low in cash or needs to help a friend and needs to work. She is lazy by nature. She cannot seem to save any money. So the need to return to the bar perpetuates.
I do not tell her what to do; I let her know how I feel.
But I struggle with my feelings knowing she is working at nights.
Yeah, I fell for a WG, I am sure I am not the first.
But I would love some insight into her thinking.
I have offered a way out and she seems uninterested.
BR
I have offered a way out and she seems uninterested.
I think that you are fortunate that the girl is being honest and open about being unwilling to leave the bars.
As emotionally involved as you feel, you appear to see the situation fairly clearly - you met a working girl while drunk while separated from your wife and visiting a city away from home, you pay her for her time, she is unwilling to leave her job and likely unable as she does not appear to possess the financial skills to reach her goal of returning home.
Frankly speaking, I see no way that this can end in anything but a bad way.
Meiguoguizi
04-20-10, 04:19
I have offered a way out and she seems uninterested.
BR
What have you offered her? Will you buy her family a house in her hometown? Even if her 'laojia' is a 3rd tier city in Jiangxi, that's now at least 50K U.S. How many years are you willing to pay her family's monthly expenses and her little brother's tuition and her parents medical bills, say $1000 U.S monthly? Then there's the car....
She wakes up with drunk clients on a regular basis for the sole purpose of offering her family a 'way out' of several generations of poverty.
She didn't presume to offer you a 'way out' of your marriage. Don't presume to offer her a 'way out' of her family's difficulties.
Two Fingers Deep
04-20-10, 07:21
I admit I have fallen for this girl. The sex is great and so is the time we spend together. I have become emotionally involved...
I have offered a way out and she seems uninterested.
BRFirst rule, you can take the girl out of the *****house but you can't take the ***** out of the girl. A little harsh to generalize, but perhaps you both fulfill each others emotional needs. Good for both of you, but once a girl goes pro their relationship with men changes and it is very hard for WG's to have what we would call your sterotypical husband and wife arrangement.
I hate to outright say it won't work, but I really do think you will be better off if you don't invest any more emotional stock into the situation and keep your relationship as *uck buddies only.
Most of these girls need an emotional outlet and you seem to provide that.
Clean Gene
04-20-10, 08:20
[QUOTE=Martini Easy
I have offered a way out and she seems uninterested.
BR[/QUOTE]
I have offered an I-20 and a year's support in an American Univ. But (never to my knowledge) to a WG.
Three became professors in US. One at Cornell won't even answer my emails. Old *****. The other two welcome me.
CG
First rule, you can take the girl out of the *****house but you can't take the ***** out of the girl. A little harsh to generalize, but perhaps you both fulfill each others emotional needs. Good for both of you, but once a girl goes pro their relationship with men changes and it is very hard for WG's to have what we would call your sterotypical husband and wife arrangement.
That's the popular wisdom, but as usual, the popular wisdom is wrong. I am good friends with a very prominent madam in Berlin, and one in Manhattan (she tries to keep a low profile there...) Both confirm that the main cause of attrition of their personnel is their girls falling in love with a customer and getting married.
"Pretty Woman" is alive and well in the trade. You rarely hear about it. When someone asks the standard question "so how did you guys meet" they will hardly say "he paid $1000 for the night." Anyway, it happens often. I know some couples who met under the aforementioned circumstances, and they are in bliss.
Where it usually fails is when guys have these "I'll rescue that girl" fantasies. Martini "I have offered a way out" seems to be one of them.
Guy thinks if he takes her out of that clearly wretched life, she must be grateful to him for eternity. Bullshit. She needs love and care and companionship like any other woman. That Chinese girl seems to have her act together. She knows the guy won't leave his wife for her. Good for her that "she seems uninterested."
"Taking a girl out of the bar" is known to work, given true love and devotion. Taking a girl out of the bar and stashing her somewhere for a monthly check, where she waits until the guy shows up, usually ends in disaster.
That's the popular wisdom, but as usual, the popular wisdom is wrong. I am good friends with a very prominent madam in Berlin, and one in Manhattan (she tries to keep a low profile there...) Both confirm that the main cause of attrition of their personnel is their girls falling in love with a customer and getting married.
"Pretty Woman" is alive and well in the trade. You rarely hear about it. When someone asks the standard question "so how did you guys meet" they will hardly say "he paid $1000 for the night." Anyway, it happens often. I know some couples who met under the aforementioned circumstances, and they are in bliss.
Where it usually fails is when guys have these "I'll rescue that girl" fantasies. Martini "I have offered a way out" seems to be one of them.
Guy thinks if he takes her out of that clearly wretched life, she must be grateful to him for eternity. Bullshit. She needs love and care and companionship like any other woman. That Chinese girl seems to have her act together. She knows the guy won't leave his wife for her. Good for her that "she seems uninterested."
"Taking a girl out of the bar" is known to work, given true love and devotion. Taking a girl out of the bar and stashing her somewhere for a monthly check, where she waits until the guy shows up, usually ends in disaster.
I am glad she is forward and truthful. Most girls in this business are untrustworthy and dishonoest. There are too many horror stories of guys getting burned around the world from WG.
I agree majority of the girls want to find someone that's special but can you trust them.
FernandoAlonso
04-20-10, 15:11
Long time listener, first time poster. I live in China and occasionally visit the saunas and massage joints. I am married but my wife does not live here.
We have a pretty open relationship and I am sure she knows what goes on but we do not discuss it.
On a visit to a big city I get way over drunk with a friend and he takes me to a girly bar. Well known but not the most popular. At this level of drunkenness, I didn't need to be there. That was last summer.
In my drunken state I spot an attractive girl and the next thing I know we are in bed at my hotel.
I do not remember much about that night and I am sure my performance was poor. But we connected. The following morning we had sex and she left. I got her number. I was surprised at my own feelings. I had never before made any emotional connection with a WG.
On several visits after that I always told her I was coming in advance and she always spent the night. I paid well but not over the top.
I tried not to judge, we get along great.
Over the months, she has travelled with me and we have spent many days and nights together.
I have real feelings for this girl and she accepts that I am married and will not divorce.
I am willing to help her financially if she quits the WG scene. She will not accept. She returns to the bar as soon as she gets back to the Big City. She often says that she is only meeting friends, but I know she is working.
She tells me she really cares for me as well and I believe it to some extent but I always have doubts that I am just a good customer. She never asks me for money anymore, although I usually offer some. We go shopping as well but she never buys anything expensive.
I admit I have fallen for this girl. The sex is great and so is the time we spend together. I have become emotionally involved.
I cannot commit long term but I want her to quit the WG scene. She does not seem interested. I have some doubts she hates it as much as she says.
She told me she does not like the work but needed to raise some cash and then return home. She figured she would be doing this for about a year. But lately she always seems low in cash or needs to help a friend and needs to work. She is lazy by nature. She cannot seem to save any money. So the need to return to the bar perpetuates.
I do not tell her what to do; I let her know how I feel.
But I struggle with my feelings knowing she is working at nights.
Yeah, I fell for a WG, I am sure I am not the first.
But I would love some insight into her thinking.
I have offered a way out and she seems uninterested.
BRYou are one lucky guy, you just do not realise it. You wrote it all down in your post. You are lucky because she likes you and she does not milk you for money. I cannot judge whether you deserve it (no offence intended) but I hope you really support her. At least several thousand RMB per month, she can easily do this in her job 10, 20 to 30.000 depending on the size of the Big City. But key is you cannot commit longterm and she knows that. What is her choice? She seems to genuine like you and gives you her most precious thing, time and real feelings. As I read it you seem to support her a little, or even not. You should give her some money, because she is not in this job because she likes fucking old ugly man (again no offence, no reference to you personally intended, just in general) but her family needs money, if for real or just because of a lazy brother does not matter.
You can only offer her a way out if you give her a future. I20 and a year, will be gone in weeks for family, especially if she has a sick family member, often the case. So you want to offer her a way out or do you just want to have a GF or lover that is not a WG? You want her quit the job for her or for you? She may do it for you but not under current circumstances and from her POV she is right.
If you love her you must commit, these girls have heard that story before, have been disappointed many, many times.
So read your post again, make your own decision, listen to the people here who made similar experiences (me included) and then do the right thing. For her, you care about her. Think about her life, her future!
No judgement intended, I know way too good how you feel
FA
Chocha Monger
04-20-10, 17:07
What have you offered her? Will you buy her family a house in her hometown? Even if her 'laojia' is a 3rd tier city in Jiangxi, that's now at least 50K U.S. How many years are you willing to pay her family's monthly expenses and her little brother's tuition and her parents medical bills, say $1000 U.S monthly? Then there's the car....
She wakes up with drunk clients on a regular basis for the sole purpose of offering her family a 'way out' of several generations of poverty.
She didn't presume to offer you a 'way out' of your marriage. Don't presume to offer her a 'way out' of her family's difficulties.
A very frank and succinct reply that many will do well to pay heed to!
Long time listener, first time poster. I live in China and occasionally visit the saunas and massage joints. I am married but my wife does not live here.
...
In my drunken state I spot an attractive girl and the next thing I know we are in bed at my hotel.
...
I admit I have fallen for this girl. The sex is great and so is the time we spend together. I have become emotionally involved.
I cannot commit long term but I want her to quit the WG scene. She does not seem interested. I have some doubts she hates it as much as she says.
She told me she does not like the work but needed to raise some cash and then return home.
...
I do not tell her what to do; I let her know how I feel.
But I struggle with my feelings knowing she is working at nights.
Yeah, I fell for a WG, I am sure I am not the first.
But I would love some insight into her thinking.
I have offered a way out and she seems uninterested.
BR
Martini Easy: what a delightful courageous 1st posting.
In my opinion (and I speak from a bit of experience on this matter), you are trying to save her (because of your values) and she does not wish to be saved (because of her values).
It can be very painful when someone you genuinely care for does not play life's game according to your rules.
At the end of the day, what you are trying to do is to save yourself, because your outer values and actions, reflect your inner soul.
For what it is worth ...
P13
Martini Easy
04-21-10, 11:24
Martini Easy: what a delightful courageous 1st posting.
In my opinion (and I speak from a bit of experience on this matter), you are trying to save her (because of your values) and she does not wish to be saved (because of her values).
It can be very painful when someone you genuinely care for does not play life's game according to your rules.
At the end of the day, what you are trying to do is to save yourself, because your outer values and actions, reflect your inner soul.
For what it is worth ...
P13Thank-you Gentlemen,
Much to think about and several of the posts have made me question myself and that is good.
She is not impoverished as some might think. She does not have a family needing money. Her desired lifestyle and ambition do not align, currently.
And I don't want her to be a kept women, nor would she accept that.
I can help with school, business ideas, contacts. Something where she needs to put some effort in to make it work but sees the opportunity.
I don't need eternal gratitude, this is not alot different than helping a employee develop their potential and being very happy for them when they do, whether with my company or someone else's.
They did the work, we just gave them an opportunity and some support.
Much appreciated.
Martini Easy
Long time listener, first time poster. I live in China and occasionally visit the saunas and massage joints. I am married but my wife does not live here.
We have a pretty open relationship and I am sure she knows what goes on but we do not discuss it.
On a visit to a big city I get way over drunk with a friend and he takes me to a girly bar. Well known but not the most popular. At this level of drunkenness, I didn't need to be there. That was last summer.
In my drunken state I spot an attractive girl and the next thing I know we are in bed at my hotel.
I do not remember much about that night and I am sure my performance was poor. But we connected. The following morning we had sex and she left. I got her number. I was surprised at my own feelings. I had never before made any emotional connection with a WG.
On several visits after that I always told her I was coming in advance and she always spent the night. I paid well but not over the top.
I tried not to judge, we get along great.
Over the months, she has travelled with me and we have spent many days and nights together.
I have real feelings for this girl and she accepts that I am married and will not divorce.
I am willing to help her financially if she quits the WG scene. She will not accept. She returns to the bar as soon as she gets back to the Big City. She often says that she is only meeting friends, but I know she is working.
She tells me she really cares for me as well and I believe it to some extent but I always have doubts that I am just a good customer. She never asks me for money anymore, although I usually offer some. We go shopping as well but she never buys anything expensive.
I admit I have fallen for this girl. The sex is great and so is the time we spend together. I have become emotionally involved.
I cannot commit long term but I want her to quit the WG scene. She does not seem interested. I have some doubts she hates it as much as she says.
She told me she does not like the work but needed to raise some cash and then return home. She figured she would be doing this for about a year. But lately she always seems low in cash or needs to help a friend and needs to work. She is lazy by nature. She cannot seem to save any money. So the need to return to the bar perpetuates.
I do not tell her what to do; I let her know how I feel.
But I struggle with my feelings knowing she is working at nights.
Yeah, I fell for a WG, I am sure I am not the first.
But I would love some insight into her thinking.
I have offered a way out and she seems uninterested.
BR
Here is my story whether you like it or not. Me and local business partner was having drinks at a local bar. Suddenly he gets a call from a mamasan he knew before. She called just to inform him she has switched jobs and now working at a different Karaoke club and gave him the address. He casually asked me whether I would like to visit. We both went there and met the mamasan. She negotiated very low price for our drinks and companionship. While walking to the room I noticed this young beautifull girl and I motioned her to come with me.
To cut the long story short, she was a 18 year old girl from Hubei who just came to Shenzhen because of her aunt(mothers sister) who worked in this karaoke. She told me she went only one time with a Hong Kong guy. Whether it is the truth or not I could not care less.
She came with me that night and stayed with me and never went back to work. She was giving all sorts of excuses when her mamasan called her.
Anyway the relationship lasted little more than a year. I was supporting her and putting her through school.
One day when I was back home in USA shechanged her phone number and got lost. There was no way I could contact her. I strongly believe she met some young guy in school and maybe got married.
Anyway I did not get upset because I had told her I would not marry her.
I did miss her company for a while because she was a sweet girl , totally attentive and in love.
So my advice is take things slowly and do not get upset if the girl wants to take her life in her own hands and move on.
Red Rock II
04-24-10, 20:06
=So my advice is take things slowly and do not get upset if the girl wants to take her life in her own hands and move on.
My friend, it is easy to say but it is hard to do! Sometimes we just can't control over our own emotion. It is part of our human nature. Just like something that causes the pain in some part of your body, you will feel pain no matter if you care or careless.
Here is my story: I met a very attractive girl and I did not know that she was living with someone already. She just told me that he was her lanelord, and she was renting a room from his apartment, she called him her roomate. Well, I could not careless as long as she was seeing me and fucking with me. But before long, I began to fall in love/lust (whatever you call it) with her, then I could not stand the fact that she was fucking another man while she was not with me. When I called her, if she said she was at work or at school, then I felt ok, but if she said that she was at home, then I could not help thinking that they were together and fucking each other. I was seriously getting sick! I asked her to move in with me, but she was making some excuse and did not take the idea. I thought to get rid of her, and move on, but she kept coming back and knocking on my door at night, I just could not refuse the sex she offered, she was pretty and sexy. But the more I was seeing her, the worse that I felt. It last a little over a year, thanks god, she found a job in other city and relocated, and that ended the story and ended my worst experience in my life! Sometimes I feel love/lust like drug, once you get into it, it is hard to get out. Most of times, you know exactly what you need to do, but you just can not do it!
My advice is if you fall into her, take her or leave her. If you just see her as a fucking partner, things will be much less complicated.
My friend, it is easy to say but it is hard to do! Sometimes we just can't control over our own emotion. It is part of our human nature. Just like something that causes the pain in some part of your body, you will feel pain no matter if you care or careless.
Here is my story: I met a very attractive girl and I did not know that she was living with someone already. She just told me that he was her lanelord, and she was renting a room from his apartment, she called him her roomate. Well, I could not careless as long as she was seeing me and fucking with me. But before long, I began to fall in love/lust (whatever you call it) with her, then I could not stand the fact that she was fucking another man while she was not with me. When I called her, if she said she was at work or at school, then I felt ok, but if she said that she was at home, then I could not help thinking that they were together and fucking each other. I was seriously getting sick! I asked her to move in with me, but she was making some excuse and did not take the idea. I thought to get rid of her, and move on, but she kept coming back and knocking on my door at night, I just could not refuse the sex she offered, she was pretty and sexy. But the more I was seeing her, the worse that I felt. It last a little over a year, thanks god, she found a job in other city and relocated, and that ended the story and ended my worst experience in my life! Sometimes I feel love/lust like drug, once you get into it, it is hard to get out. Most of times, you know exactly what you need to do, but you just can not do it!
My advice is if you fall into her, take her or leave her. If you just see her as a fucking partner, things will be much less complicated.Good say, "It is part of our human nature. Just like something that causes the pain in some part of your body, you will feel pain no matter if you care or careless. "
Although I had the same experience, yet I do believe we should not do this again. What result do we want to get? Marry her? I don't think so. Being sex partner, it sounds reasonable. so just keep the relationship for a period. When you find a new attractive target, I think we will move on.
Long time listener, first time poster. I live in China and occasionally visit the saunas and massage joints. I am married but my wife does not live here.
I have real feelings for this girl and she accepts that I am married and will not divorce.
BRYou need to see other WG and try to forget this one. I've been there (even wrote about it, so I understand) Don't walk, run away or you'll be sorry in so many way.
Martini Easy
I know many brother here have already put forth many of their own opinions on this issue. I myself have been caught in too many emotional tangles with girls.
My advice is to take things at face value. This is China after all, a place where you can never really know if someone genuinely cares about you or not. Even if you want to go in deeper to find out if she genuinely cares for you, you do not have the luxury nor the time to do so because you are married.
So my advice is to take things as it is. Sometimes girls just don't want to be saved. So enjoy her company while you are with her. Help her out a little if she wants or if you feel like you need to. But in terms of doing anything major for her like opening a store for her etc...i think it's a bit overboard.
The reality is that you women in China generally want to get married. If you cannot provide that for her...even if you sponsor her, help her, or just date her and help her financially for a while, she will want to have a family in the future, which is something you cannot provide. So to save yourself from drowning deeper into this relationship or infatuation, you should think of it from another point of view. If her ultimate goal is to get married in the future and you waste the next few years of her youth being with you on the side, it'll ruin her chances of finding true happiness-which is to have a family later on. So for your sake and her sake, either you avoid her or you can continue to see her but don't put forth any more deeper emotions into this relationship.
AsnDragon
Long time listener, first time poster. I live in China and occasionally visit the saunas and massage joints. I am married but my wife does not live here.
We have a pretty open relationship and I am sure she knows what goes on but we do not discuss it.
On a visit to a big city I get way over drunk with a friend and he takes me to a girly bar. Well known but not the most popular. At this level of drunkenness, I didn't need to be there. That was last summer.
In my drunken state I spot an attractive girl and the next thing I know we are in bed at my hotel.
I do not remember much about that night and I am sure my performance was poor. But we connected. The following morning we had sex and she left. I got her number. I was surprised at my own feelings. I had never before made any emotional connection with a WG.
On several visits after that I always told her I was coming in advance and she always spent the night. I paid well but not over the top.
I tried not to judge, we get along great.
Over the months, she has travelled with me and we have spent many days and nights together.
I have real feelings for this girl and she accepts that I am married and will not divorce.
I am willing to help her financially if she quits the WG scene. She will not accept. She returns to the bar as soon as she gets back to the Big City. She often says that she is only meeting friends, but I know she is working.
She tells me she really cares for me as well and I believe it to some extent but I always have doubts that I am just a good customer. She never asks me for money anymore, although I usually offer some. We go shopping as well but she never buys anything expensive.
I admit I have fallen for this girl. The sex is great and so is the time we spend together. I have become emotionally involved.
I cannot commit long term but I want her to quit the WG scene. She does not seem interested. I have some doubts she hates it as much as she says.
She told me she does not like the work but needed to raise some cash and then return home. She figured she would be doing this for about a year. But lately she always seems low in cash or needs to help a friend and needs to work. She is lazy by nature. She cannot seem to save any money. So the need to return to the bar perpetuates.
I do not tell her what to do; I let her know how I feel.
But I struggle with my feelings knowing she is working at nights.
Yeah, I fell for a WG, I am sure I am not the first.
But I would love some insight into her thinking.
I have offered a way out and she seems uninterested.
BR
Carolina Guy
05-02-10, 00:34
Well Zhuren and BJK, many thanks. Can you help me help my wife by finding a few of the WG recruiters? A friend of mine met an Australian in Hong Kong who did this work but the idiot lost the guy's card. Some friend!Is this common in China for a wife to not only allow, but even recruit another woman to sleep with her husband (and do other duties around the home)?
FernandoAlonso
05-02-10, 14:28
Is this common in China for a wife to not only allow, but even recruit another woman to sleep with her husband (and do other duties around the home)?Sure, in your dreams. Of course not,this guy is very lucky. Even though many rich guys have a second wife but firstwife does not (or pretend not to) know.
Saving face is evrything here.
FA
Carolina Guy
05-03-10, 04:05
That is what I thought...seems more like an adolescent dream than normal reality. :-)
Sure, in your dreams. Of course not,this guy is very lucky. Even though many rich guys have a second wife but firstwife does not (or pretend not to) know.
Saving face is evrything here.
FA
FernandoAlonso
05-03-10, 06:35
That is what I thought...seems more like an adolescent dream than normal reality. :-)Actually quite a few dreams can become true here, I am living some, but not all is paradise, still a nice place to be, there may be better but for sure there are worth!
FA
FernandoAlonso,
can you describe to us how you are living your dreams, or how your dreams have come true thus far?
AsnDragon
Actually quite a few dreams can become true here, I am living some, but not all is paradise, still a nice place to be, there may be better but for sure there are worth!
FA
FernandoAlonso
05-17-10, 14:46
FernandoAlonso,
Can you describe to us how you are living your dreams, or how your dreams have come true thus far?
AsnDragonWell I not really dare as I am still a newbie and far away from the legends that regulary post here and have far more things to talk about.
So I am just a very humble guy with little experiences. What I call a dream is the continuous availablity of all kind of entertainment at reasonable prices. I mean, I feel horny, no problem you get normally laid half an hour later. You want two girls, no problem. Boring afternoon, spice it up. And there are so many segments of the market I have not even touched yet (KTV, online, MILFS). Just too many girls too little time. A paradise for men. You can literally have sex every day with every kind of girl you like, young or old, thin or fat, all here. I realise I get a little too little sleep and every day doing it can get a bit demanding, but hey I had times here I did it three four times in average every day for several weeks. And I am no special guy in any way. Imagine that back home or with a wife, l no way in the long run! I had great and numerous experiences before, but here the sheer quantity and quality just tops everything.
In our home countries our hobby is a filthy, expensive not really tolerated bad behaviour, here it is dou keyi, everybody does. Everybody can afford it.
And best of all the service quality and the beauty of the girls is way beyond what you find elsewhere. If you know how to play and speak a little the language they literally all love you (or your money who cares I want to have fun not marry them all). Phils may have a notch more but I would not know where the combination of excelllent training, natural beauty and GFE is better.
I may be wrong and I know it is not for everybody (and also not always, had two lousy experiences today I will report) but still it is so easy to have fun here. And having fun is my personal dream.
Thanks to all here helping with the infos enabling this!
FA
I refrain from the technical side of things and I do not want to brag, I just try to express what I feel! Anybody not like it, fair enough, feel entitled to keep you opinion, this is mine!
SE Asia Joe
05-18-10, 09:35
We DO get spoiled in China don't we??!!
Yesterday I was with an old girl friend who I haven't seen for about a couple years; She's now 25 and I first knew her when she was about 19. Whilst I used to really enjoy doing her, yesterday was a bit of a disappointment as I "felt" that she was getting a bit flabby all over the place!!
Can you imagine - me thinking a 25 YO is already flabby??!!! Just coz I'm so used to doing these 18-22 all the time?
Jeez, we do live in La-La land don't we??
SEAJ
Well I not really dare as I am still a newbie and far away from the legends that regulary post here and have far more things to talk about.
So I am just a very humble guy with little experiences. What I call a dream is the continuous availablity of all kind of entertainment at reasonable prices. I mean, I feel horny, no problem you get normally laid half an hour later. You want two girls, no problem. Boring afternoon, spice it up. And there are so many segments of the market I have not even touched yet (KTV, online, MILFS). Just too many girls too little time. A paradise for men. You can literally have sex every day with every kind of girl you like, young or old, thin or fat, all here. I realise I get a little too little sleep and every day doing it can get a bit demanding, but hey I had times here I did it three four times in average every day for several weeks. And I am no special guy in any way. Imagine that back home or with a wife, l no way in the long run! I had great and numerous experiences before, but here the sheer quantity and quality just tops everything.
In our home countries our hobby is a filthy, expensive not really tolerated bad behaviour, here it is dou keyi, everybody does. Everybody can afford it.
And best of all the service quality and the beauty of the girls is way beyond what you find elsewhere. If you know how to play and speak a little the language they literally all love you (or your money who cares I want to have fun not marry them all). Phils may have a notch more but I would not know where the combination of excelllent training, natural beauty and GFE is better.
I may be wrong and I know it is not for everybody (and also not always, had two lousy experiences today I will report) but still it is so easy to have fun here. And having fun is my personal dream.
Thanks to all here helping with the infos enabling this!
FA
I refrain from the technical side of things and I do not want to brag, I just try to express what I feel! Anybody not like it, fair enough, feel entitled to keep you opinion, this is mine!
FernandoAlonso
05-18-10, 15:19
We DO get spoiled in China don't we??!!
Yesterday I was with an old girl friend who I haven't seen for about a couple years; She's now 25 and I first knew her when she was about 19. Whilst I used to really enjoy doing her, yesterday was a bit of a disappointment as I "felt" that she was getting a bit flabby all over the place!!
Can you imagine - me thinking a 25 YO is already flabby??!!! Just coz I'm so used to doing these 18-22 all the time?
Jeez, we do live in La-La land don't we??
SEAJAbsofu**inglutely!
South Gate
05-20-10, 17:05
Sex for money is available to me during my time in California but there is a huge difference between women in California and in China. In China, at my mid 60s and with a wife to boot, I can find women who want to fuck with me for free and of those I pay, I truly feel that some of them enjoy the experience as much as I do. In California, that never happens. No woman wants to look at a married 65 year old guy in Los Angeles. In China, I pick up and fuck several every year.
Well I not really dare as I am still a newbie and far away from the legends that regulary post here and have far more things to talk about.
So I am just a very humble guy with little experiences. What I call a dream is the continuous availablity of all kind of entertainment at reasonable prices. I mean, I feel horny, no problem you get normally laid half an hour later. You want two girls, no problem. Boring afternoon, spice it up. And there are so many segments of the market I have not even touched yet (KTV, online, MILFS). Just too many girls too little time. A paradise for men. You can literally have sex every day with every kind of girl you like, young or old, thin or fat, all here. I realise I get a little too little sleep and every day doing it can get a bit demanding, but hey I had times here I did it three four times in average every day for several weeks. And I am no special guy in any way. Imagine that back home or with a wife, l no way in the long run! I had great and numerous experiences before, but here the sheer quantity and quality just tops everything.
In our home countries our hobby is a filthy, expensive not really tolerated bad behaviour, here it is dou keyi, everybody does. Everybody can afford it.
And best of all the service quality and the beauty of the girls is way beyond what you find elsewhere. If you know how to play and speak a little the language they literally all love you (or your money who cares I want to have fun not marry them all). Phils may have a notch more but I would not know where the combination of excelllent training, natural beauty and GFE is better.
I may be wrong and I know it is not for everybody (and also not always, had two lousy experiences today I will report) but still it is so easy to have fun here. And having fun is my personal dream.
Thanks to all here helping with the infos enabling this!
FA
I refrain from the technical side of things and I do not want to brag, I just try to express what I feel! Anybody not like it, fair enough, feel entitled to keep you opinion, this is mine!
South Gate,
Perhaps that's the reason why we all come to China in the first place. In china you are considered a high commodity. Firstly, In China, as you age, they value you more as you are considered more wealthy, more wise etc. Whereas the US culture is...when you are old...you are expired inventory. The US culture emphasizes so much on youth...and looks, which fosters so much plastic surgeries. Whereas in China, women are more practical. They are not surrounded by the Americanized thinking or high standards.
Take an Asian American for example. She demands everything. They want a good looking guy, a young guy, an educated guy, a wealthy guy or at least high future earning potential. Their wants are endless. Whereas a China girl's demands are within a range that we can offer them. They are not as outrageous as in the US.
So I came to talk about this topic with a friend. Is it just money? I mean in China with your background and wealth, you would pretty much be considered a $5 millionaire in the US, in relative comparison. So if you had $5 million dollars in the US you are considered top 1% of the wealth category. But will you be happier? Will you be able to get all the chicks? The answer in my personal opinion is...well..yes! i'm sure you could. But the price tag is much higher and just because you are rich, many girls cannot overlook the fact that you are older. They will still romanticize about being with some young guy and would even be with a young guy on the side and cheat on you. But althought this scenario could happen in china, I would find that it would happen a whole lot less. In China, a woman can be with you when you are older, because they care more about stability, your wisdom, patience, etc.
There's a saying in China....a man in his 30's a just a small flower bud beginning to blossom. A real man is a man in his 40's and 50's. But in the US. once you past your 30's...and reach your 40's..women tend to look the other way. That's why there's so many wide-life crisis and depression in the US.
just my personal opinion.
China...is still the best...for now! let's hope it doesn't become too westernized.
AsnDragon
Sex for money is available to me during my time in California but there is a huge difference between women in California and in China. In China, at my mid 60s and with a wife to boot, I can find women who want to fuck with me for free and of those I pay, I truly feel that some of them enjoy the experience as much as I do. In California, that never happens. No woman wants to look at a married 65 year old guy in Los Angeles. In China, I pick up and fuck several every year.
It's all about supply and demand. In China there's so much competition and sex is more readily available. In order to survive, a bit of customer service has to be put forth to attract re-occuring customers. There's actually a pressure to perform.
Whereas in California...all the paid services you go for...are extremely illegal-not so readily available. Therefore, most girls (Koreans mostly and some Chinese) know that they are in higher demand. They give you crap service and still expect to be paid premium for their vagina. In addition, they screw customers so many times they have no more juice down there. How many times have you frequented a WG in the US where they don't need to use Lubrication? --Very rare. Just the act of them putting lube on before the deed turns me off personally. They end up giving me the perception that they are nothing but a piece of meat with a hole down there. Whereas in China, a girl (even if she's faking it or not enjoying it) gives you more of a natural/real feel that you are with a woman...not a piece of flesh who wants you to come in 10 mins so they can work less and service the next 9 guys in line for the day. Everything is so mechanical and dry. In addition, the fact that the WGs in the US are older, turns most guys off as well. The fact is...men are all the same everywhere....if we could...we like younger ones. We would readily trade in our old models for the new models on the lot.
Just my personal opinion....
AsnDragon
Sex for money is available to me during my time in California but there is a huge difference between women in California and in China. In China, at my mid 60s and with a wife to boot, I can find women who want to fuck with me for free and of those I pay, I truly feel that some of them enjoy the experience as much as I do. In California, that never happens. No woman wants to look at a married 65 year old guy in Los Angeles. In China, I pick up and fuck several every year.
SE Asia Joe
05-21-10, 08:03
Sex for money is available to me during my time in California but there is a huge difference between women in California and in China. In China, at my mid 60s and with a wife to boot, I can find women who want to fuck with me for free and of those I pay, I truly feel that some of them enjoy the experience as much as I do. In California, that never happens. No woman wants to look at a married 65 year old guy in Los Angeles. In China, I pick up and fuck several every year.
And WOW - been following your photo postings recently.
You certainly ARE doing well for your age!!
Props and kudos South Gate.
Keep "it" up!!
SEAJ
Loveasiangirls
05-21-10, 10:06
South Gate,
...Take an Asian American for example. She demands everything. They want a good looking guy, a young guy, an educated guy, a wealthy guy or at least high future earning potential. Their wants are endless. Whereas a China girl's demands are within a range that we can offer them. They are not as outrageous as in the US.
So I came to talk about this topic with a friend. Is it just money? I mean in China with your background and wealth, you would pretty much be considered a $5 millionaire in the US, in relative comparison. So if you had $5 million dollars in the US you are considered top 1% of the wealth category. But will you be happier? Will you be able to get all the chicks? The answer in my personal opinion is...well..yes! i........
AsnDragon
There is quite a difference between the working girl and the regular girl.
Regular Chinese girls are quite "practical". If the girl is young and good looking then you'd better have a lot of money to compete for quality girls. It is quite normal when 2 Chinese date for the guy to state up front what his job is, how much he makes and that he has a car and or an apartment. Not very romantic.
One of my freebies was managing a high-end watch store. Several times per week a middle-aged Chinese guy would walk in and spend over 100,000rmb for a watch for his younger gf. In Beijing alone over 180,000 people make over 1million rmb per year. That is about US$1.5 million. Just extrapolate how many make over US$500,000 per year? Maybe half a million people?
I suspect that most people on this board cannot compete in this league. But there are plenty of cheaper WG and divorced not so good looking freebies.
FernandoAlonso
05-21-10, 12:57
There is quite a difference between the working girl and the regular girl.
Regular Chinese girls are quite "practical". If the girl is young and good looking then you'd better have a lot of money to compete for quality girls. It is quite normal when 2 Chinese date for the guy to state up front what his job is, how much he makes and that he has a car and or an apartment. Not very romantic.
One of my freebies was managing a high-end watch store. Several times per week a middle-aged Chinese guy would walk in and spend over 100, 000rmb for a watch for his younger gf. In Beijing alone over 180, 000 people make over 1million rmb per year. That is about US$1. 5 million. Just extrapolate how many make over US$500, 000 per year? Maybe half a million people?
I suspect that most people on this board cannot compete in this league. But there are plenty of cheaper WG and divorced not so good looking freebies.some of your numbers do not add up 1 million RMB is 150k, or do you mean they actuallly make 10 million RMB? Anyhow there are many wealthy people here and showing wealth is like in the US a status symbol, as is the young GF, god I love this country.
I may challenge the differences you make between WGs and regular girls without any offence intended. Here the difference is very grey. Many regulars actually sell themselves for gifts or a potential future husband without feeling themselves as WGs, for many WGs this is a sometimes short period to make some money or because they are too stupid or sometimes even bored to do something else. Difficult to tell very often.
I am not saying every girl here is a prostitute, just to make this very clear. But the MO can be very, very similar.
Just my extensive experiences
FA
Meiguoguizi
05-21-10, 15:30
In Beijing alone over 180,000 people make over 1million rmb per year. That is about US$1.5 million.
Not yet. But maybe not too far in the future :)
Loveasiangirls,
Not to pick on what you wrote. But how can 1 million RMB be equivalent to $1.5 million USD?
I think the figure that people earn $1.5 million a year is a bit exaggerated at this point. I can easily believe that 180,000 people are worth $1.5 million in terms of the net worth.
You are right that big cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen there are big shots that really are in a league of their own. But China is so big and there are second tier cities or third tier cities or town to reside at where you can feel like your money goes a bit further.
My original post was to compare that being in China versus US is better in most aspects. I do truly believe that in some third tier city or town in China, you can still get a very young and pretty girl with South gate's earning potential, whereas you couldn't get any young and pretty girl in Mississippi or North dakota of the US.
But in any case, I do understand your point. People in China are getting richer and there's no way to compete with the big guns. But my advice is...don't compete, seek out new territory.
Asndragon
There is quite a difference between the working girl and the regular girl.
Regular Chinese girls are quite "practical". If the girl is young and good looking then you'd better have a lot of money to compete for quality girls. It is quite normal when 2 Chinese date for the guy to state up front what his job is, how much he makes and that he has a car and or an apartment. Not very romantic.
One of my freebies was managing a high-end watch store. Several times per week a middle-aged Chinese guy would walk in and spend over 100,000rmb for a watch for his younger gf. In Beijing alone over 180,000 people make over 1million rmb per year. That is about US$1.5 million. Just extrapolate how many make over US$500,000 per year? Maybe half a million people?
I suspect that most people on this board cannot compete in this league. But there are plenty of cheaper WG and divorced not so good looking freebies.
Last I checked RMB?US$ exchange rate was about 6.8 RMB to 1US$.
So a million RMB is a little under $150,000 US. Jeez!
Loveasiangirls
05-22-10, 17:32
Loveasiangirls,
Not to pick on what you wrote. But how can 1 million RMB be equivalent to $1.5 million USD?
I think the figure that people earn $1.5 million a year is a bit exaggerated at this point. I can easily believe that 180,000 people are worth $1.5 million in terms of the net worth.
You are right that big cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen there are big shots that really are in a league of their own. But China is so big and there are second tier cities or third tier cities or town to reside at where you can feel like your money goes a bit further.
My original post was to compare that being in China versus US is better in most aspects. I do truly believe that in some third tier city or town in China, you can still get a very young and pretty girl with South gate's earning potential, whereas you couldn't get any young and pretty girl in Mississippi or North dakota of the US.
But in any case, I do understand your point. People in China are getting richer and there's no way to compete with the big guns. But my advice is...don't compete, seek out new territory.
Asndragon
Sorry, typo. I meant 10 million rmb
Crazy Jim Wood
06-11-10, 00:33
What are chances a woman in her late 30's who has a tattoo on her stomach, tattooed eyebrows, etc, and sometimes works in a bar in Sanlitun is not a ho?
She's going out with a friend, he doesn't think she's a ho, but she's got no real job I can tell (says she sells cosmetics, but she is always available when he is in town), she's not from Beijing, she's not been to college. Oh, she says she knows how to massage.
And she slept with my friend first night they met.
I don't see how she could not be a ho.
The only possible reason is she is not that good looking, kind of plain with age creeping up not helping but maybe a naive foreigner would not notice.
Is there any one thinks such a person may not be a ho?
I'm thinking 10-to-1 she's a ho.
Thanks!
FernandoAlonso
06-11-10, 02:45
I think you generalise a little too fast. Here things are very flexible. What you mention like tattoes etc may have been clear indications a while ago but nowadays? Also she is pretty old for the profession in this country. So she may have other reasons to be with your friend. Bottomline if she asks him for money she is one. But serious what does it matter?
Been there done that
Fa
What are chances a woman in her late 30's who has a tattoo on her stomach, tattooed eyebrows, etc, and sometimes works in a bar in Sanlitun is not a ho?
She's going out with a friend, he doesn't think she's a ho, but she's got no real job I can tell (says she sells cosmetics, but she is always available when he is in town), she's not from Beijing, she's not been to college. Oh, she says she knows how to massage.
And she slept with my friend first night they met.
I don't see how she could not be a ho.
The only possible reason is she is not that good looking, kind of plain with age creeping up not helping but maybe a naive foreigner would not notice.
Is there any one thinks such a person may not be a ho?
I'm thinking 10-to-1 she's a ho.
Thanks!
What are chances a woman in her late 30's who has a tattoo on her stomach, tattooed eyebrows, etc, and sometimes works in a bar in Sanlitun is not a ho?
She's going out with a friend, he doesn't think she's a ho, but she's got no real job I can tell (says she sells cosmetics, but she is always available when he is in town), she's not from Beijing, she's not been to college. Oh, she says she knows how to massage.
And she slept with my friend first night they met.
I don't see how she could not be a ho.
The only possible reason is she is not that good looking, kind of plain with age creeping up not helping but maybe a naive foreigner would not notice.
Is there any one thinks such a person may not be a ho?
I'm thinking 10-to-1 she's a ho.
Thanks!
The odds of the girl having never been a hooker is about the same as the odds of a pot of water on a hot stove freezing and turning into ice. It's mathematically possible, but highly unlikely.
The odds of a fair coin landing heads about a octillion times in a row. Again, mathematically possible, but probably not in our lifetimes.
Don't think those long odds are impossible. Absent something like intelligent design, the odds of intelligent life evolving on a random planet into something that resembles us is probably similar.
What are chances a woman in her late 30's who has a tattoo on her stomach, tattooed eyebrows, etc, and sometimes works in a bar in Sanlitun is not a ho?
She's going out with a friend, he doesn't think she's a ho, but she's got no real job I can tell (says she sells cosmetics, but she is always available when he is in town), she's not from Beijing, she's not been to college. Oh, she says she knows how to massage.
And she slept with my friend first night they met.
I don't see how she could not be a ho.
The only possible reason is she is not that good looking, kind of plain with age creeping up not helping but maybe a naive foreigner would not notice.
Is there any one thinks such a person may not be a ho?
I'm thinking 10-to-1 she's a ho.
Thanks!
Does it matter if she is, or isn't?
All that matters is her jollies and your friend's jollies.
If they love each other, that is all that matters.
If he loves her burrowing into his wallet, that is all that matters.
Just my opinion, ... based on my experience. :)
P13
StinkyFeet
06-11-10, 12:00
i have a cute thing asking me to get her health/life insurance just recently. what are the costs for this. i have heard for health insurance, in the range of 200-300rmb a month. life insurance i can easily imagine lower. thanks for the info.
Crazy Jim Wood
06-11-10, 14:41
i have a cute thing asking me to get her health/life insurance just recently. what are the costs for this. i have heard for health insurance, in the range of 200-300rmb a month. life insurance i can easily imagine lower. thanks for the info.
tell her to buy it, give you the receipt, and you will reimburse the amount on the receipt. you will probably never hear about the issue again. if she provides a receipt that seems high, scan it and post it here, we'll tell you waht she really bought.
Crazy Jim Wood
06-11-10, 14:42
Does it matter if she is, or isn't?
All that matters is her jollies and your friend's jollies.
If they love each other, that is all that matters.
If he loves her burrowing into his wallet, that is all that matters.
Just my opinion, ... based on my experience. :)
P13
it's not a deep philosophical question, im just wondering if there is a single person here thinks she isnt a ho
The odds of the girl having never been a hooker is about the same as the odds of a pot of water on a hot stove freezing and turning into ice. It's mathematically possible, but highly unlikely.
The odds of a fair coin landing heads about a octillion times in a row. Again, mathematically possible, but probably not in our lifetimes.
Don't think those long odds are impossible. Absent something like intelligent design, the odds of intelligent life evolving on a random planet into something that resembles us is probably similar.Is the woman Chinese? Tattoos in China are a bit dubious. If she's a Chinese woman and she's got tatts, gotta say she's a tart.
i have a cute thing asking me to get her health/life insurance just recently. what are the costs for this. i have heard for health insurance, in the range of 200-300rmb a month. life insurance i can easily imagine lower. thanks for the info.
I've heard brothers getting quotes for health bills that he supposedly inflicted on the girl while she was "working."
1) you gave her a cold so she needs to get a shot at the clinic
2) you tore her pussy and now it's infected and requires medicine
3) you stretched out her pussy so now you need to rein-burst her for lost wages or hospital fees
4) you got her pregnant and she needs morning after pills
5) you pounded her so hard her vagina's sore and "hurt". doc says medication is needed.
in any case, it's money she wants and a lotta of it to shut her up.
Pokerstar77
06-24-10, 00:29
Long time listener, first time poster. I live in China and occasionally visit the saunas and massage joints. I am married but my wife does not live here.
We have a pretty open relationship and I am sure she knows what goes on but we do not discuss it.
On a visit to a big city I get way over drunk with a friend and he takes me to a girly bar. Well known but not the most popular. At this level of drunkenness, I didn't need to be there. That was last summer.
In my drunken state I spot an attractive girl and the next thing I know we are in bed at my hotel.
I do not remember much about that night and I am sure my performance was poor. But we connected. The following morning we had sex and she left. I got her number. I was surprised at my own feelings. I had never before made any emotional connection with a WG.
On several visits after that I always told her I was coming in advance and she always spent the night. I paid well but not over the top.
I tried not to judge, we get along great.
Over the months, she has travelled with me and we have spent many days and nights together.
I have real feelings for this girl and she accepts that I am married and will not divorce.
I am willing to help her financially if she quits the WG scene. She will not accept. She returns to the bar as soon as she gets back to the Big City. She often says that she is only meeting friends, but I know she is working.
She tells me she really cares for me as well and I believe it to some extent but I always have doubts that I am just a good customer. She never asks me for money anymore, although I usually offer some. We go shopping as well but she never buys anything expensive.
I admit I have fallen for this girl. The sex is great and so is the time we spend together. I have become emotionally involved.
I cannot commit long term but I want her to quit the WG scene. She does not seem interested. I have some doubts she hates it as much as she says.
She told me she does not like the work but needed to raise some cash and then return home. She figured she would be doing this for about a year. But lately she always seems low in cash or needs to help a friend and needs to work. She is lazy by nature. She cannot seem to save any money. So the need to return to the bar perpetuates.
I do not tell her what to do; I let her know how I feel.
But I struggle with my feelings knowing she is working at nights.
Yeah, I fell for a WG, I am sure I am not the first.
But I would love some insight into her thinking.
I have offered a way out and she seems uninterested.
BRMost WG find it hard to quit their jobs. You want to know why? Because it's fast money. These girls earn more money a month then they would've earned in a year back home, not counting the many gifts such as designer handbags, clothes, etc.
You provide her with her needs (money, gifts) and she provides you with your needs (company, affection, sex).
Trust me, you're not the 1st one I've seen fallen for a WG. It's pretty common. Just don't ruin yourself. I've seen a lot of expats and native Chinese getting in trouble because they misread the situation.
Learn to play the game or don't play at all. Never go the the same WG more then 2 times in a short period. Being naked and completely satisfied is more dangerous then sitting at home and wanking your self to sleep.
I think she probably sees you as a good customer, you're very nice to her, probably nicer then 90% of her other clientele does. She may even like you. The problem is that you like her more then she likes you, which but you at a disadvantage.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
Done. I will keep it up for the next twelve hours or so.
Recently I picked up an absolutely gorgeous Chinese girl in Guangzhou and arranged with her to spend three continuous overnights with me in my hotel.
1 Certainly by the last night if not before, she put her small money purse on the other twin bed completely out in the open as we slept. Was she testing me? Or is this commonly done by call girls? If testing, what could she possibly get from it? (It is really risky if the guy is a scumbag.)
2 This girl-although she looked 18-was 36 by her ID and told me she was a hooker since 19. Yet she is pretty tight, as tight as the "girl next door. " (Insertion of the middle finger as part of foreplay.) Her tightness is not from her own squeezing but her natural state. Wouldn't her long time hooking make her pretty loose or at least untighten her? (I never asked her her age. It came up in conversation when I said she looked 18. She denied it to which I flatly refused. She then showed me her ID. Later, the next day, I asked her about her prostitution.)
Recently I picked up an absolutely gorgeous Chinese girl in Guangzhou and arranged with her to spend three continuous overnights with me in my hotel.
1 Certainly by the last night if not before, she put her small money purse on the other twin bed completely out in the open as we slept. Was she testing me? Or is this commonly done by call girls? If testing, what could she possibly get from it? (It is really risky if the guy is a scumbag.)
Yeah, it's pretty common. What else they gonna do with it? Hide it in YOUR room?
2 This girl-although she looked 18-was 36 by her ID and told me she was a hooker since 19. Yet she is pretty tight, as tight as the "girl next door. " (Insertion of the middle finger as part of foreplay.) Her tightness is not from her own squeezing but her natural state. Wouldn't her long time hooking make her pretty loose or at least untighten her? (I never asked her her age. It came up in conversation when I said she looked 18. She denied it to which I flatly refused. She then showed me her ID. Later, the next day, I asked her about her prostitution.)
Vaginas, like penises, come in all shapes and sizes. As long as it's not overly stretched, like giving birth, it'll return back to it's normal size. Even then, a little PBG exercise will restore it back to normal size. Women do lose some muscle tone as they age though, but again, exercise will restore it. As a last resort they can get vaginoplasty to restore former tightness. In general though, vaginas are pretty resiliant. The question you're asking is kinda like asking if a guy fucks a lot, will his penis get smaller from being worn down.
Long Dicker
06-26-10, 00:45
Yeah, it's pretty common. What else they gonna do with it? Hide it in YOUR room?
Vaginas, like penises, come in all shapes and sizes. As long as it's not overly stretched, like giving birth, it'll return back to it's normal size. Even then, a little PBG exercise will restore it back to normal size. Women do lose some muscle tone as they age though, but again, exercise will restore it. As a last resort they can get vaginoplasty to restore former tightness. In general though, vaginas are pretty resiliant. The question you're asking is kinda like asking if a guy fucks a lot, will his penis get smaller from being worn down.I think the baby thing is the biggest factor. I used to fuck this one in Singapore and she got pregnant with her husband. A year later I was banging her again and that pussy could've accomodated a small Volkswagen. Stretched to hell.
SE Asia Joe
06-26-10, 01:55
Yeah, it's pretty common. What else they gonna do with it? Hide it in YOUR room?
Vaginas, like penises, come in all shapes and sizes. As long as it's not overly stretched, like giving birth, it'll return back to it's normal size. Even then, a little PBG exercise will restore it back to normal size. Women do lose some muscle tone as they age though, but again, exercise will restore it. As a last resort they can get vaginoplasty to restore former tightness. In general though, vaginas are pretty resiliant. The question you're asking is kinda like asking if a guy fucks a lot, will his penis get smaller from being worn down.
CLASSIC Moody post!!
Just thought I'd write and tell you that I do really enjoy your posts and writing style...and MOST of your thoughts too BTW!!! LOL
SEAJ
StinkyFeet
06-26-10, 05:22
This girl-although she looked 18-was 36 by her ID and told me she was a hooker since 19.
i'm sorry... but how the hell would you think she is 18 if her real age is 36!!! the differences are too big! granted asian girls age slower. my ex-jap GF looked 22 even though she is 30. but common. that is crazy. most chinese girls go downhill after 27 with rare exceptions.
i'm sorry... but how the hell would you think she is 18 if her real age is 36!!! the differences are too big! granted asian girls age slower. my ex-jap GF looked 22 even though she is 30. but common. that is crazy. most chinese girls go downhill after 27 with rare exceptions.[Deleted by Admin] As I said she looked 18. Several western men I showed her pics to agreed. But I was not surprised to find that two Chinese men saw her as 24 and 30 respectively. All these men thought she was a model or like one. This survey shows how westerners and East Asians differ greatly by the appearance of age.
The issue is not whether she really looked 18; unquestionably she looked young. The issue is how she could look so, so good but have been in the "business" so long. Evidently if Stinkyfeet has a nose for such issues, then I won the one-in-the-million sweepstakes the night I picked her up.
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yeah, it's pretty common. what else they gonna do with it? hide it in your room?
vaginas, like penises, come in all shapes and sizes. as long as it's not overly stretched, like giving birth, it'll return back to it's normal size. even then, a little pbg exercise will restore it back to normal size. women do lose some muscle tone as they age though, but again, exercise will restore it. as a last resort they can get vaginoplasty to restore former tightness. in general though, vaginas are pretty resiliant. the question you're asking is kinda like asking if a guy fucks a lot, will his penis get smaller from being worn down.thanks moody. i agree except your analogy does not fit. while it is true that the vagina is resilient, it is also true that they get looser over time. attested by the fact that vaginoplasty exists! childbirth and use can speed that process up. to some extent kegles might help; but here again such exercises show that the vagina looses its elasticity.
Yeah, it's pretty common. What else they gonna do with it? Hide it in YOUR room?All very true, thanks. But putting it out in the open is like putting raw meat in front of a tiger--if the guy is a bum. It would be less provoking if it were "hidden" in her handbag. Anyway, I guess, her action had no meaning, as you say it is pretty common.
Judging from the reports here, few members are going to KTVs. Saunas and BBS are the places. Is that solely because of lower cost and immediate servicing? Or 1) crackdown of KTVs or 2) success too uncertain at a KTV?
Also, can anyone recommend any KTVs in Hangzhou and in Guangzhou?
South Gate
06-30-10, 03:54
I never go to KTVs. This is in part because I am an older guy who mongers alone and in part because the few times I have gone to KTVs, I have been made to spend a lot of money just to sit and talk to a nervous young girl and when it got to sex, it was too expensive. Perhaps these places are good for groups of guys who want to bullshit and then maybe fuck but not for lone mongers. I am curious about others' experience.
Judging from the reports here, few members are going to KTVs. Saunas and BBS are the places. Is that solely because of lower cost and immediate servicing? Or 1) crackdown of KTVs or 2) success too uncertain at a KTV?
Also, can anyone recommend any KTVs in Hangzhou and in Guangzhou?
I never go to KTVs. This is in part because I am an older guy who mongers alone and in part because the few times I have gone to KTVs, I have been made to spend a lot of money just to sit and talk to a nervous young girl and when it got to sex, it was too expensive. Perhaps these places are good for groups of guys who want to bullshit and then maybe fuck but not for lone mongers. I am curious about others' experience.
Hi South Gate,
Agree with you that KTVs mean spending bundles, and talking to one or many girls and YMMV for FS. That being said, I do like KTVs, and have had great fun at KTVs, bcos of the company and current mood.
I prefer saunas, which usually guarantees good or standard service (catbath, AR, BBBJ, FS, GFE). I partake in BBS on the side too, for quickies (FS, BJ, HJ) when in need of release.
As to age issue, I don't think it matters (I am mid-thirties). It boils down to getting value for money for oneself and own choice of P4P. Mongers who prefer KTVs seek a different rush. I feel mongers like us go for a more direct guaranteed approach.
Just my POV.
Hoeman...
SE Asia Joe
06-30-10, 08:07
Just a C+P of a PM exchange with an ISG'er which may be of some interest to you guys/is quite a common question FYI
SEAJ
On "Qualifying" - MOST KTV"s already indicate if a certain gal will go out or not by the use of different TYPE name/number badges, or by where they place their name tag i.e. OK-to-go on their breast area, not-OK on their lower parts etc - all you need to do is ask the mommie/manager how they classify their gals and separate the going-outers to the only-sitting-with-you ones.
But even with this "system" in place, some supposedly OK-to-go gals will refuse to go out with their customers for for a variety of reasons - the guy is an ass/creep, the guy specifies certain services/perversion, she gets drunk, her BF demands she come home, M just started etc etc.
If her "excuse" does not hold water, then you have the right to complain to the mommie who CAN force her to go with you - no mater what. But what's the point of screwing a gal who didn't want to be with you in the 1st place?
Naah... 'qualifying" her ain't gonna do you much good , not IMHO, for in the final analysis, it does take 2 to tango.
You like a gal and you want to have her for the night - just treat her as a human being, enjoy yourself and I'd say you'd have a pretty good chance (of course with a gal who had been identified as OK-TO-Go at the very start)
SEAJ
Hi SEAJ,
. I happen to be new to our hobby (though not to the sport) and wonder if you could answer something. It is about KTV. I haven't been to one but know the basic scene.
My question is can you "qualify" the girl almost immediately about wanting to take her back to your hotel room? (By qualifying, I mean testing her and her intention toward you.)
Some reports on the website have guys striking out in the end at the KTV and not only having to pay the bill but ruining the whole night. I wonder if qualifying early might help to increase success.
Just a C+P of a PM exchange with an ISG'er which may be of some interest to you guys/is quite a common question FYI
SEAJ
You really should tell the guy that the tag thing only applies on DG and some surrounding areas. Most places outside don't do it. As far as I recall, none of the places I've been to in SZ do it. Also, a lot of KTVs up north are strictly entertainment only. You really have to convince the girl to go with you. On the bright side though, at those places, if she does go with you, you don't have to give her anything.
The best way really to make sure a girl is available for take out is to just tell the mommy beforehand to only bring in girls that will go out. That's what we used to do in SZ. Hell, girls at the high end SZ places don't even wear tags.
Just a C+P of a PM exchange with an ISG'er which may be of some interest to you guys/is quite a common question FYI
SEAJ
One part of your answer grabbed my attention. Why can't she "go out" with the customer if she's drunk? Some girls pretend to be drunk or intentionally get drunk to get out of going out with the guy. they may pass out or start getting violent. But taking the girl back is subjective to the whims of the guy, right?
I've seen one instance where the girl gets really drunk and starts insulting others in the room. Falls down on the floor, etc. Pretty messed up, yeah, and I guess the guy just lets her go. I've also seen an instance where the girl gets so drunk she's actually extra sexy and all. Granted, she did get into a fight when taken back to the hotel in the elevator with another random girl, but interesting nether-less.
Any stories of drunk girls?
I read that the KTV can be a lot of fun --but also isn't the KTV a kind of built-in rip off? It is reasonable to think that the girls are pressed by management to get the guys drinking and re-ordering drinks. So a guy just can't expect to take a girl back to his hotel any time soon. He has to sit, chat, but especially order some kind of minimum. Can anybody tell me about how long you got to go through this process before taking your booty back to your lair?
Why not I go to a sauna or elsewhere? Sure but it seems that the girls at the KTV might be socially a cut above girls at the other places. Some fellow members have commented that girls at saunas, etc. probably service many more men than do KTV girls. If so, then KTV girls probably have a lower chance of having STDs. Why risk it if you don't have to? So that's why I've thought of KTV.
When last there, I saw police blocking entrance to a closed KTV in GZ. A Chinese told me that the police are making them close early. The same for dance clubs because of the upcoming Asian games. Is there also a crackdown in DG?
I read that the KTV can be a lot of fun --but also isn't the KTV a kind of built-in rip off? It is reasonable to think that the girls are pressed by management to get the guys drinking and re-ordering drinks. So a guy just can't expect to take a girl back to his hotel any time soon. He has to sit, chat, but especially order some kind of minimum. Can anybody tell me about how long you got to go through this process before taking your booty back to your lair?
KTV is not for everybody. Some guys just hate it. They don't like to drink, they hate the crappy singing, they don't like the preliminaries when all they want is a quick fuck, they don't like the hit and miss nature of sex with KTV girls, they don't like the cost, they don't like smoke, they don't like the smell, they don't like the building, they don't like elevators. Whatever.
Go to one and you'll see whether it's for you or not. Yes KTV is a rip-off, but so are any drinking establishments in general. As for girls trying to increase the bill, not so much. If you tell them not to drink they won't and you don't have to drink a drop if you don't want to, just pay the minimum. Nobody forces you to stay, you can leave anytime you want, again, just pay the minimum. Also, most of the larger KTV's have a floor show. You can hang out there and get a girl too. The minimum for the floor show is usually significantly less than for a private room. If your goal is to just get a girl and leave, this is probably a better option. KTVs also have different price structures for the girls. This usually depends on location and quality of the establishment. Be aware, the high end places are really up there. Finally, not all KTVs are automatic take out. Some are solely for entertainment.
Why not I go to a sauna or elsewhere? Sure but it seems that the girls at the KTV might be socially a cut above girls at the other places. Some fellow members have commented that girls at saunas, etc. probably service many more men than do KTV girls. If so, then KTV girls probably have a lower chance of having STDs. Why risk it if you don't have to? So that's why I've thought of KTV.
As many people dislike KTV, a lot of them also dislike the sauna scene or the BBS scene for various reasons. For example, sauna girls at the busier places will easily do 4-8 guys a day. Some guys prefer their girls a little fresher. There is also the mechanical aspect of most sauna experiences. The girls go through a whole routine, which at first can be an interesting novelty, but it gets old pretty fast for some.
For BBS girls, some guys don't like the quickness aspect. A lot of BBS places limit you to like 30 minutes or less. Some BBSes are incall only and can be pretty raw. Again, some guys do have issue with the number of guys these girls service on a given day.
Basically, everybody has different tastes, and budgets. If you've can afford it, and have friends to go with, KTV is cool. If you're on a budget and by yourself, KTV is not really much fun.
Amendment: I guess I should mention, unless you can speak a bit of Mandarin or have someone with you who can, KTV is going to be very difficult to navigate. I have been to a couple where they had managers who spoke a tiny bit of English, but really not enough to be very helpful.
Finally, I really should mention the KTV scams. Although I think that these are more or less a thing of the past now. Every now and then, somebody will sucker a foreigner into doing something stupid, like having sex in the KTV room, and then extort him by threatening to call the police or some other nonsense.
Excellent, Moody. Many thanks.
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