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Loveasiangirls
02-25-13, 00:25
Hi guys,
I am going to to tavel to China tomorrow for two weeks, and therefore I look forward to meet some girls, hopefully freebies.
It will be my first trip to China, and for that do you know some god Internet datingsites to help me to get contacted with some girls?
Best regards,
FrankLeaving tomorrow? Too late. For freebies it takes time to sort them out and chat them up. It's not like you place an ad and sleep with one the next day. You can always try AFF which is more direct not not busy.
Chris Peterson
02-25-13, 03:59
I've RTTF, but don't see an overview of the sites. I just created a profile on DIA. Any opinions?
Joesph Doe
04-25-13, 05:26
Get WeChat, use the "Look Around" function to find girls near you. Arrange a meeting. Flirt a lot. Arrange another for the next day. If it looks like she's into you get her back to your hotel. Commence kissing, touching etc. If she's into it be clear about what you want, she may say she isn't interested at first, if so stop the intimacy immediately and do something else. If she comes over to you start again. Repeat until she crumbles. You need to be pretty dominant but if she really isn't into it just tell her you respect her wishes and just want to be friends. Say bye bye and go sort out another date. Don't go pretending you want to be her boyfriend to get in her pants because it ain't cool and doesn't actually work.
Hi guys,
I am going to to tavel to China tomorrow for two weeks, and therefore I look forward to meet some girls, hopefully freebies.
It will be my first trip to China, and for that do you know some god Internet datingsites to help me to get contacted with some girls?
Best regards,
Frank
Wechat is the best way I know to meet girls. With the look around function I meet girls every week and I don't even live in China, I stick with Chinese girls in paris. Many girls are looking for one night stands but won't admit it. Date her outside (forget bars Mc Donald's make you sound like a harmless guy.) Never mention sex, just find a reason to go to your flat. Things will happen, just go with the flow.
It was the clear-eyed, no BS reporting of Andreas Wang that got me seeking info on ISG a few years ago after my first mongering experience ever (BBBJTC for 200rmb. A great start to the hobby. In BJ at a place around the corner from the Lido.
Andreas, where are you?
I keep watching for your sage wisdom, but it seems you are MIA.
Please chime in another unmatched BBS report like only you can do!
Cheers
Not exactly.
Being a pussy-dependent chump is a no-no. Anywhere.
You'll only get as much bullshit as you put up with and encourage.
And the only constant there being. You. Ever considered that American women walk all over you because you let them? Chinese ones play you because you are easy to play?
American values. Pft. Your 'values' at best and since when has gullibility been a value please?
Mighty Spearsman
07-09-13, 17:21
Andreas Wang. Miss your reports!
It was the clear-eyed, no BS reporting of Andreas Wang that got me seeking info on ISG a few years ago after my first mongering experience ever (BBBJTC for 200rmb. A great start to the hobby. In BJ at a place around the corner from the Lido.
Andreas, where are you?
I keep watching for your sage wisdom, but it seems you are MIA.
Please chime in another unmatched BBS report like only you can do!
Cheers.You are wondering where Andreas Wang's reports are, but we can certainly ask the same question about you. Where are your reports?
You yourself write that you had your first mongering experience a few years ago, yet this is only your 3rd report! Why not write a few more reports instead of just asking questions?
i accept your criticism as i have been a long-time lurker and reader and watcher of andreas without even logging in. i guess i figured i hadn't a lot to add because i prefer the low-roll bbss over the high-roll maggie's, et al. also too, i have read many a blow-hard over-boasting here which i would be loathed to do myself. but certainly i don't want to take from my fellow mongering brethren without giving back.
that first experience i mentioned was just pure luck – i sheepishly went into a door opened as i passed by (though i had been gutlessly peering into those bbss for some time without the courage to enter any). the wg was so fresh-off-the-farm the mama had to come into the room to ojt her for a how-to lesson. it was glorious and i figured all experiences thereafter would be that great. ha! i've learned better since.
so, if anyone is interested, i've a couple thought on things i recently read here:
1) i read here that the 'street walker' girls were accessible only by car. if it's the same beijing street i'm thinking of (the one with the home inn on it) – that is not exactly true in my experience. on that stroll the girls come out just after dark and they will take you back to their place nearby if on foot. i had a great bb experience there doing exactly that six months ago. but as is always cautioned on this, and every other board: when going into the apartment keep your wallet in a zipper pocket and keep that pocket in your sight at all times. if it means putting your pants on the nightstand – do it. as andres always said: don't pay up front (if, for no other reason, so they cannot know where your money is)! and if your little head insists on forking over the cash first even though your real brain knows better – then keep a small stash in a separate pocket than your wallet pocket (like folded up tightly in the small change pocket) so as to not tip-off where your wallet actually is.
2) having mongered in china for a while, i too have the same incredulity about the over-payers as do the others i've recently read on this forum. i was in beijing in april and i did not pay more than 200rmb for covered action and no more than 300rmb for bb action. i am not particularly charming, handsome nor adept at negotiations – but i do keep smiling to show that i am not insulted to by the lady trying to get more and that we are still friendly. yet i keep going back to the actual, real market value so they also know i'm not going to cheat myself, either. and as andreas always taught (at least taught me well) , use the power of the walk-away when the girl is just being stubborn (thinking she'll get little head to give in). most (not all. be ready to leave it behind) times i've been called back from a walk-away to the realistic price when the girl concludes that getting some of something is better than all of nothing.
when i was there in april le was hassling my favorite shops in haidan and i had to resorted mostly to my freebie list because the wgs got surly after le visited them. so when i am back again in the next couple of months i'll share some of the back alley places i discover and rediscover if le has lightened up.
i hope that somewhat redeems this long-time lurker. cheers.
you are wondering where andreas wang's reports are, but we can certainly ask the same question about you. where are your reports?
you yourself write that you had your first mongering experience a few years ago, yet this is only your 3rd report! why not write a few more reports instead of just asking questions?
Moonlight99
07-13-13, 16:05
1) I read here that the 'street walker' girls were accessible only by car. If it's the same Beijing street I'm thinking of (the one with the Home Inn on it) – that is not exactly true in my experience. On that stroll the girls come out just after dark and they will take you back to their place nearby if on foot. I had a great BB experience there doing exactly that six months ago.What's this about BB action? And for 300?
What road is this? I googled "home inn Beijing" and much to my (not unexpected) dismay, there are hundreds. Do you have a road name? I'm not familiar with this, area. :/
I hope that somewhat redeems this long-time lurker. Cheers.Tell me the address and we'll call it even!
Peace
FrancoDemore18
11-03-13, 22:08
100% agree. Wechat is the best way to fuck Chinese girls.
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Wechat is the best way I know to meet girls. With the look around function I meet girls every week and I don't even live in China, I stick with Chinese girls in paris. Many girls are looking for one night stands but won't admit it. Date her outside (forget bars Mc Donald's make you sound like a harmless guy.) Never mention sex, just find a reason to go to your flat. Things will happen, just go with the flow.
Ice Dragon
11-24-13, 17:57
As a latecomer to the smartphone scene, I was totally unaware of We Chat / Weixin until a brother filled me in here. Having signed on I was surprised when the look around feature introduced me to someone very familiar, living 0 meters away! Further investigation revealed that my live in GF had been using it intensively for almost a year, and was regularly meeting local guys at lunchtimes in a local hotel where they have a 2 hour lunchtime special! I'm not sure on the way forward yet, apart from spoiling arrangements by turning up unexpectedly, but it does prove the point, you can take the massage girl out of the massage parlour, but you can't.
Ice
As a latecomer to the smartphone scene, I was totally unaware of We Chat / Weixin until a brother filled me in here. Having signed on I was surprised when the look around feature introduced me to someone very familiar, living 0 meters away! Further investigation revealed that my live in GF had been using it intensively for almost a year, and was regularly meeting local guys at lunchtimes in a local hotel where they have a 2 hour lunchtime special! I'm not sure on the way forward yet, apart from spoiling arrangements by turning up unexpectedly, but it does prove the point, you can take the massage girl out of the massage parlour, but you can't.
IceKeep us posted on how it goes. One of the first things I read on this forum was "never, EVER, fall in love with a working girl!". This includes massage girls and I did.
Trust me as I learned the Expen$$$$$ive way. This is very true.
Nice Guy 99
11-25-13, 15:05
As a latecomer to the smartphone scene, I was totally unaware of We Chat / Weixin until a brother filled me in here. Having signed on I was surprised when the look around feature introduced me to someone very familiar, living 0 meters away! Further investigation revealed that my live in GF had been using it intensively for almost a year, and was regularly meeting local guys at lunchtimes in a local hotel where they have a 2 hour lunchtime special! I'm not sure on the way forward yet, apart from spoiling arrangements by turning up unexpectedly, but it does prove the point, you can take the massage girl out of the massage parlour, but you can't.
IceAll true, but maybe we should also think about what we want out of these relationships with WGs. I have a Chinese right now in Abu Dhabi who provides some of the best sex I've ever had and is very beautiful. I know all about her life and she about mine. She stays with me but goes out for ST almost every night. It's interesting to sit on the couch with her while she arranges a deal on WeChat. She's back within two hours, usually excitedly showing me how much money (I can't believe how much she gets) and recounting exactly what she did with the guy. Then we go at it like rabbits and sleep soundly the rest of the night.
This may stike you as an unusual way to approach this type of situation but it can really work well. She wants to make money, you push each other's buttons, work out a win-win.
Midwestern
11-25-13, 16:00
All true, but maybe we should also think about what we want out of these relationships with WGs. I have a Chinese right now in Abu Dhabi who provides some of the best sex I've ever had and is very beautiful. I know all about her life and she about mine. She stays with me but goes out for ST almost every night. It's interesting to sit on the couch with her while she arranges a deal on WeChat. She's back within two hours, usually excitedly showing me how much money (I can't believe how much she gets) and recounting exactly what she did with the guy. Then we go at it like rabbits and sleep soundly the rest of the night.
This may stike you as an unusual way to approach this type of situation but it can really work well. She wants to make money, you push each other's buttons, work out a win-win.Does not sound unusual. Sounds divine. Wish I had the same. Trying to find it, but haven't had any luck yet.
Wechat is the best way I know to meet girls. With the look around function I meet girls every week and I don't even live in China, I stick with Chinese girls in paris. Many girls are looking for one night stands but won't admit it. Date her outside (forget bars Mc Donald's make you sound like a harmless guy.) Never mention sex, just find a reason to go to your flat. Things will happen, just go with the flow.Is there a desktop, non-app version or substitute, not just for Chinese girls, but foreign girls in general?
As a latecomer to the smartphone scene, I was totally unaware of We Chat / Weixin until a brother filled me in here. Having signed on I was surprised when the look around feature introduced me to someone very familiar, living 0 meters away! Further investigation revealed that my live in GF had been using it intensively for almost a year, and was regularly meeting local guys at lunchtimes in a local hotel where they have a 2 hour lunchtime special! I'm not sure on the way forward yet, apart from spoiling arrangements by turning up unexpectedly, but it does prove the point, you can take the massage girl out of the massage parlour, but you can't.
IceHow did Wechat provide you with the information that:
(1) Your gf had been using it extensively for one year?
(2) She was regularly hooking up with guys at lunchtimes?
(3) That you could identify where she was going to meet guys?
I have been using Wechat pretty well since it was introduced in 2010 (date?) , and I do not know this functionality! Please inform as it would be fascinating to be able to do this!
How did Wechat provide you with the information that:
(1) Your gf had been using it extensively for one year?
(2) She was regularly hooking up with guys at lunchtimes?
(3) That you could identify where she was going to meet guys?
I have been using Wechat pretty well since it was introduced in 2010 (date?) , and I do not know this functionality! Please inform as it would be fascinating to be able to do this!I also would like to know how you gleaned this information. Could come in handy at some point. Mrclen
Is there a desktop, non-app version or substitute, not just for Chinese girls, but foreign girls in general?Anyone can use Wechat, not just Chinese people. In fact, it is quite popular in Thailand, Malaysia, and the Middle East. So there are non-Chinese girls using Wechat.
There is also a web based Wechat service. The instructions are under Me / Settings / General / Web Wechat. You need a camera on your phone to scan the QR code.
Ice Dragon
12-30-13, 07:54
How did Wechat provide you with the information that:
(1) Your gf had been using it extensively for one year?
(2) She was regularly hooking up with guys at lunchtimes?
(3) That you could identify where she was going to meet guys?
I have been using Wechat pretty well since it was introduced in 2010 (date?) , and I do not know this functionality! Please inform as it would be fascinating to be able to do this!Prior to discovering Wechat, I had bought her a smartphone and put her old Nokia into abeyance. Whilst wiping the old Nokia I found her Weixin account with message records!
Messages started in Nov 2011.
Seemed important to me to find out what was going on, so installed simple tracker, $19 / yr (Mapme, tracks when GPS turned off.)
One glitch, the tracker is accurate to 3 mtrs, in satellite view, map view has a 200 mtr offset.
After monitoring situation, found 5 of 43 contacts were current. All were married men, only able to slip away at lunchbreaks. Weekends at home with family.
This was really quite easy to disrupt, simply by becoming unpredictable.
Naturally I am also making full use of wechat, I live in a district with very few foreigners and attract a lot of attention!
Prior to discovering Wechat, I had bought her a smartphone and put her old Nokia into abeyance. Whilst wiping the old Nokia I found her Weixin account with message records! Messages started in Nov 2011. Seemed important to me to find out what was going on, so installed simple tracker, $19 / yr (Mapme, tracks when GPS turned off.) One glitch, the tracker is accurate to 3 mtrs, in satellite view, map view has a 200 mtr offset. After monitoring situation, found 5 of 43 contacts were current. All were married men, only able to slip away at lunchbreaks. Weekends at home with family. This was really quite easy to disrupt, simply by becoming unpredictable. Naturally I am also making full use of wechat, I live in a district with very few foreigners and attract a lot of attention!OK, so not Weixin per se, but you utilised a tracker app that you installed on her smartphone. Thanks for the info.
I agree that the district where you use Weixin to browse nearby girls, or hopefully attract unsolicited attention, makes a huge difference to your rates of success.
Ikks
OK, so not Weixin per se, but you utilised a tracker app that you installed on her smartphone. Thanks for the info.
I agree that the district where you use Weixin to browse nearby girls, or hopefully attract unsolicited attention, makes a huge difference to your rates of success.
IkksLets see, after you found out she was doing whoever she could on the side, you are OK with it? Just want to hamper her excursions a bit? Seems a little strange. Jealous, but not so much that you want to stop it, just slow it down. I have to think that if I went to all that trouble I would have been a bit more upset. Just my POV, mrclen
Ice Dragon
01-01-14, 07:18
Lets see, after you found out she was doing whoever she could on the side, you are OK with it? Just want to hamper her excursions a bit? Seems a little strange. Jealous, but not so much that you want to stop it, just slow it down. I have to think that if I went to all that trouble I would have been a bit more upset. Just my POV, mrclenDifficult to explain, but some of us are quite advanced in years, and living with a horny 30yr old live in GF, we kid ourselves about the reason they are here. Of course I was not happy about the situation, but decided to try to defuse it rather than blow it to pieces.
Ice
Chinese girls are so cautious and traditional – but get them going and watch out.
Some random thoughts:
I went into a clothing shop in luohu to buy a custom suit. I flirted with the young sales girl and asked her out, she agreed to meet me for lunch the next day before her shift. The time came, and she didn't show up. When I returned to get my suit, I asked her WHY she didn't show, and she was so shy, she told me she thought I was joking. We did a repeat and next time she did show up and later ended up in my bed.
Start dating a Chinese girl and first time she may bring her friend along. I am never sure why about this, what can I do, do bad things in PUBLIC? LOL. Later she will meet alone. When she finally agrees to sex – she may be crazy in bed because all the sexy positions etc. Are new to her. This is of course, a non-working girl, because a regular girl probably never had sex before or only one or two traditional positions.
Chinese girls that I met seem horrified by the thought of anal sex. Hm. But it is possible to get them curious enough to try it. Expect screaming in the hotel room hahaha.
I never enjoy the full Bush of hair, some do some trimming but many stay for the full Bush. Once I start seriously dating, I can have a talk with her and convince her to shave it all off. Great. I know they think it is weird, but they do it for me.
Chinese girls are so cautious and traditional – but get them going and watch out.
Some random thoughts:
I went into a clothing shop in luohu to buy a custom suit. I flirted with the young sales girl and asked her out, she agreed to meet me for lunch the next day before her shift. The time came, and she didn't show up. When I returned to get my suit, I asked her WHY she didn't show, and she was so shy, she told me she thought I was joking. We did a repeat and next time she did show up and later ended up in my bed.
Start dating a Chinese girl and first time she may bring her friend along. I am never sure why about this, what can I do, do bad things in PUBLIC? LOL. Later she will meet alone. When she finally agrees to sex – she may be crazy in bed because all the sexy positions etc. Are new to her. This is of course, a non-working girl, because a regular girl probably never had sex before or only one or two traditional positions.
Chinese girls that I met seem horrified by the thought of anal sex. Hm. But it is possible to get them curious enough to try it. Expect screaming in the hotel room hahaha.
I never enjoy the full Bush of hair, some do some trimming but many stay for the full Bush. Once I start seriously dating, I can have a talk with her and convince her to shave it all off. Great. I know they think it is weird, but they do it for me.She brought her friend for her own safety. Thinking she is traditional and only has done two positions in her life if ridiculous. Do you really think Chinese guys are different from you and don't want to try as many positions as possible. China by the way is not traditional anymore. The girls can seem traditional because of the language barrier. If she bangs a foreigner then obviously she is not traditional. If she fucks you after just meeting one or two times them obviously she is not traditional. Just because she has a day job don't assume she does not hook on the side. Prostitution is huge is China and money is god.
Tom
Almost all your posts are flames to other people.
Each to their own. I am obviously talking about a small sample size. Just as you are. Not all sales girls are hookers on the side.
She brought her friend for her own safety. Thinking she is traditional and only has done two positions in her life if ridiculous. Do you really think Chinese guys are different from you and don't want to try as many positions as possible. China by the way is not traditional anymore. The girls can seem traditional because of the language barrier. If she bangs a foreigner then obviously she is not traditional. If she fucks you after just meeting one or two times them obviously she is not traditional. Just because she has a day job don't assume she does not hook on the side. Prostitution is huge is China and money is god.
Tom
Almost all your posts are flames to other people.
Each to their own. I am obviously talking about a small sample size. Just as you are. Not all sales girls are hookers on the side.Hi Launchnow,
I am not flaming you at all. We are having a conversation on a discussion board. I have been in the same situation going out with a Chinese girl many times and she brings her friend. Later when I ask why they always say for safety. Chinese by nature do things in big groups. Their culture is unique. I have met so many Chinese and man they are just like us. People are people. They have their I phones they watch american movies. Chinese guys are super horny. They are guys and guys are guys. 20 years ago I would meet Chinese and because of the communication barrier I would think they are so different. But latter I realized I assumed they were traditional because we could not communicate well. By saying a regular girl that is not a hooker never had sex before or not many positions is not accurate. They are people.
OldAsiaHand
01-03-14, 06:12
Gentlemen,
I don't want to get into the middle of a flaming war, however, most of the freebies (regular girls) I have done in China seem to know what they are doing in bed. My typical freebie is late 20s to 35 and have only had 1-2 guys before. That said, they were usually in long term relationships, rather than one night stands. Most of them were well versed sexually obviously from the experimentation and experience gained from their previous relationships, but surely not from being a hooker.
Just my POV.
OAH
I have been coming to China for work for 17 years now, and I guess I have lived here for around 11 years. I could not disagree more with the comment Chinese are just like everyone else.
That has not been my experience at all. LOL. I will say that the current millenial generation, the under 25 crowd, is very similar to the under 25 crowd in the west. Lazy, entitled, slackers. But the same? No, and no.
Gentlemen,
I don't want to get into the middle of a flaming war, however, most of the freebies (regular girls) I have done in China seem to know what they are doing in bed. My typical freebie is late 20s to 35 and have only had 1-2 guys before. That said, they were usually in long term relationships, rather than one night stands. Most of them were well versed sexually obviously from the experimentation and experience gained from their previous relationships, but surely not from being a hooker.
Just my POV.
OAHQuick Comment: I agree with OAH, with a comment. Asian girls, regardless of WG or not, seem to be more willing to satisfy their man, even if they don't have the experience, they are usually willing to learn. Whether it's the man of the moment or SO. The women's movement, equality, lib, etc, has gotten in the way of this attitude in America and other liberated countries. IE: I don't do that, it is uncomfortable to bend that way, I've got a headache, just washed my hair, got to go to work early tomorrow, you want what, make an appointment, I am tired, are you done yet, etc, etc. Mrclen
I have a comment / question about WeChat: If I have understood correctly, when it is installed, by default WeChat searches your Contacts file to identify people you know who are already members of the WeChat community. Thus, it's quite possible that WeChat will detect the phone number of your wife or partner if they have already registered with WeChat. My question, therefore, is: do people in your Contacts list get automatically notified that you have just registered with WeChat? I can also envisage a scenario where you use the 'People Nearby' option at the same time as your wife or partner. Is there a way to prevent this happening?
I await responses with keen anticipation,
Wabbittt.
P. S. Happy 2014 to all of you. Have fun!
OldAsiaHand
01-04-14, 03:10
Quick Comment: I agree with OAH, with a comment. Asian girls, regardless of WG or not, seem to be more willing to satisfy their man, even if they don't have the experience, they are usually willing to learn. Whether it's the man of the moment or SO. The women's movement, equality, lib, etc, has gotten in the way of this attitude in America and other liberated countries. IE: I don't do that, it is uncomfortable to bend that way, I've got a headache, just washed my hair, got to go to work early tomorrow, you want what, make an appointment, I am tired, are you done yet, etc, etc. MrclenMr. Clen,
Unfortunately, I have no point of comparison with western women as freebies or SO. I have only had Asian women for the past 30 years in both arenas.
That said, I can compare P4P girls from all over the world and must agree that the Asian girls, generally speaking (there are some exceptions) do try harder and provide better service. Second in line, would be the Latin American girls, followed Eastern European girls with the exception of Russian girls and, Romanian girls are at the bottom of my list. Some of the African girls can be very good too. For Western European and North American girls, I do not have enough experience to pass judgment. The few girls I have tried have been hit or miss.
Just my POV.
OAH
I hear you OAH and respect your perspective.
For everyone else, I am talking about MY experiences. For me, yes, I have had great sex with experienced Chinese girls. But also great sex with Chinese girls that have basicallly NO experience or very limited. That was happened for me. Everyone is entitled to having their own experiences right?
I have dated several sales girls. Yes, some take time. Like 1 year to develop a relationship, and for ME, I found out that they had limited experience, I. E. One had a college bf for sex, they tried it a few times with two positions only. That's it. Then I came along.
When I meet non-pros, I take the time to get to know them, and maybe that is why I focus more time on the ones that I know are sweeter and have limited experience, after I talk to them and know more about their background.
So just as in the US. It is possible to find a 30 year old woman who is a virgin (yes they are out there). It is possible to find Chinese girls with limited experience.
Mr. Clen,
Unfortunately, I have no point of comparison with western women as freebies or SO. I have only had Asian women for the past 30 years in both arenas.
That said, I can compare P4P girls from all over the world and must agree that the Asian girls, generally speaking (there are some exceptions) do try harder and provide better service. Second in line, would be the Latin American girls, followed Eastern European girls with the exception of Russian girls and, Romanian girls are at the bottom of my list. Some of the African girls can be very good too. For Western European and North American girls, I do not have enough experience to pass judgment. The few girls I have tried have been hit or miss.
Just my POV.
OAH
Ice Dragon
01-06-14, 15:45
I have a comment / question about WeChat: If I have understood correctly, when it is installed, by default WeChat searches your Contacts file to identify people you know who are already members of the WeChat community. Thus, it's quite possible that WeChat will detect the phone number of your wife or partner if they have already registered with WeChat. My question, therefore, is: do people in your Contacts list get automatically notified that you have just registered with WeChat? I can also envisage a scenario where you use the 'People Nearby' option at the same time as your wife or partner. Is there a way to prevent this happening?
I await responses with keen anticipation,
Wabbittt.
P. S. Happy 2014 to all of you. Have fun!On WeChat 4th tab,"Me" there is a "settings" tab, then a "privacy" tab. Here you can select to search for people by phone number or not, and you can also allow people to find you or not.
Ice
I have a comment / question about WeChat: [SNIP] I can also envisage a scenario where you use the 'People Nearby' option at the same time as your wife or partner. Is there a way to prevent this happening?You can open a second Wechat account and use that I'd when playing. Additionally, I have a second cell phone which is dedicated to my play usage. I think my cost on China Unicom is RMB138 per month.
Unfortunately, I have no point of comparison with western women as freebies or SO. I have only had Asian women for the past 30 years in both arenas. [SNIP] That said, I can compare P4P girls from all over the world and must agree that the Asian girls, generally speaking (there are some exceptions) do try harder and provide better service. OAHLike OAH, I have also had only Asian women in the last 30 years (I separated from my Caucasian first wife in 1984). Whilst I am not an oracle on P4P as I rarely participate (apart from part timers) , I have had many experiences with Asian girls and I just find that they suit my style. I have not had memorable experiences with African, Middle Eastern or South Asian girls.
My Asian experience encompasses Japan, Philippines, (including 2 marriages to Filipina) , Indonesia, China (1 marriage) , Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia and limited experience in Thailand and Vietnam.
Whilst trying hard not to generalise (LOL) , I find that Chinese girls are the sweetest and most loving (although my experience is limited mostly to South China). And they are very willing to learn. I remember encouraging a petite 22 year old Hunan girl from Shaoshan to do BJ for the first time, and she totally gagged starting to suck the tip of my cock. She had to run to bathroom and did the caark, but like the true trooper she was, she returned and persevered, and soon became a champion cocksucker under my expert tutelage (hehe).
On the other hand, my experiences with Indonesian girls have led me to conclude that they are all nymphomaniacs (YMMV).
Quick Comment: I agree with OAH, with a comment. Asian girls, regardless of WG or not, seem to be more willing to satisfy their man, even if they don't have the experience, they are usually willing to learn. Whether it's the man of the moment or SO. The women's movement, equality, lib, etc, has gotten in the way of this attitude in America and other liberated countries. IE: I don't do that, it is uncomfortable to bend that way, I've got a headache, just washed my hair, got to go to work early tomorrow, you want what, make an appointment, I am tired, are you done yet, etc, etc. MrclenI find this conversation to be very interesting. From my limited experience: B/C of women's movement, equality, lib, etc. I have actually found freebies in North America to be FAR more into sex. Yes. I have to work a little harder, and there is more pressure to bring pleasure to both. But in general, I find them to be far better. (and yes, with that freedom to enjoy wild sex also comes the freedom to tell you to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off when not in the mood) I have had my share of freebies (married and otherwise) here in China. And again, in general. I have found them to all be a little passive. I feel like people always claimed that Chinese women were like starfish years ago. It has almost aways proven true for me. Of course, this new generation, has seen lots of porn, and knows what porn sex looks like. But that, to me, is just a simulation. It misses the point of true, mutual pleasure. I was reminded of this recently when I hooked up with caucasian canadian divorcee. Wow. Just wow. Squirting and such. Wild. Wow. It was awesome, and a good reminder that a whole realm of pleasure exists beyond fake moans, and pat pat pats on the back in the mish position. Now. Lots of caveats, of course, as there should be when discussing broad generalizations like this. I have never been married or had a long term relationship with a Chinese woman (I generally find sex gets better after repeated practice with the same person. Wow, I know I now sound like a chick, but I really am not. I just play one on tv). I have been married to an american woman. Most of my interactions are p4p throughout asia, but not all. My sample size. Like other parts of me. Not as big as I'd like. Just my two cents. Regardless if we agree, it's a very interesting topic, with lots of perspectives.
Jay
OldAsiaHand
01-11-14, 07:33
Like OAH, I have also had only Asian women in the last 30 years (I separated from my Caucasian first wife in 1984). Whilst I am not an oracle on P4P as I rarely participate (apart from part timers) , I have had many experiences with Asian girls and I just find that they suit my style. I have not had memorable experiences with African, Middle Eastern or South Asian girls.
My Asian experience encompasses Japan, Philippines, (including 2 marriages to Filipina) , Indonesia, China (1 marriage) , Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia and limited experience in Thailand and Vietnam.
Whilst trying hard not to generalise (LOL) , I find that Chinese girls are the sweetest and most loving (although my experience is limited mostly to South China). And they are very willing to learn. I remember encouraging a petite 22 year old Hunan girl from Shaoshan to do BJ for the first time, and she totally gagged starting to suck the tip of my cock. She had to run to bathroom and did the caark, but like the true trooper she was, she returned and persevered, and soon became a champion cocksucker under my expert tutelage (hehe).
On the other hand, my experiences with Indonesian girls have led me to conclude that they are all nymphomaniacs (YMMV).Ikksman,
Our background and experience with Asian women is nearly identical albeit more P4P than Freebies in terms of the sheer numbers. Ironically, I also separated with my Caucasian SO in 1984 when I moved to Thailand from Hong Kong. And, I have has some similar experiences with Chinese girls eager to learn new things.
I reckon we should meet up if you are around S. China. Send me a PM if you are keen to share war stories someday.
Just my POV.
OAH
Anyone have some tips on finding WG's on QQ, Weixin, or MoMo? I don't know how to figure out for sure they're down for p4p. Is there code language or something? Maybe it's just my area? Nanjing isn't that happening compared to Beijing or Shanghai, I know.
Most of the girls I talk to on these apps want to play a slow game (chat, chat, chat, coffee, dinner, then movie at my place for some action maybe). Perhaps that's common in China, but it sure would be nice to find some easy ONS freebies, like I hear is so easy for foreigners here. Do I need to me forward about what I'm interested in? Pretty new to using these apps. Seems more difficult than meeting a chick at a bar and taking her home haha.
I have a few regular freebies I met on QQ, just looking to meet some more, and with less effort haha.
Fredies Dream
02-23-14, 04:11
Here's the deal. I am in the USA training a man from China how to drive a tractor trailer. He and his wife have only been here for a few months. He is suggesting later this year that I train his wife to drive also. This will entail her being alone with me in a tractor trailer with a sleeper for about 4 weeks over the road. First of all, this man doesn't realize I'm a major horn dog. Is he crazy? Is this normal for them to be so trusting? Second, she is more than easy on the eyes. What are my chances? He is Buddhist. She is Muslim. But I don't think they are real serious about that. He is a total cornball and I'm not sure what they are doing together. She seems much more sophisticated. They are from Beijing. I've got a few months to prepare and work on my angle and game. Advice please as I know nothing of this culture and how to woo a woman from China.
Here's the deal. I am in the USA training a man from China how to drive a tractor trailer. He and his wife have only been here for a few months. He is suggesting later this year that I train his wife to drive also. This will entail her being alone with me in a tractor trailer with a sleeper for about 4 weeks over the road. First of all, this man doesn't realize I'm a major horn dog. Is he crazy? Is this normal for them to be so trusting? Second, she is more than easy on the eyes. What are my chances? He is Buddhist. She is Muslim. But I don't think they are real serious about that. He is a total cornball and I'm not sure what they are doing together. She seems much more sophisticated. They are from Beijing. I've got a few months to prepare and work on my angle and game. Advice please as I know nothing of this culture and how to woo a woman from China.Why not just do your job instead of ruining a Chinese couples time here in the USA. Who knows what they had to do in China just to make it to the USA.
LukeSkywalker
02-24-14, 01:48
As a professional driver, you must be aware of lots of young prostitutes available for sex cheap along your routes.
If you just want sex, just pay for it. Why lower your dignity and move in on someone else's wife?
You should know Muslims are very strict about infidelity. If you screw a Muslim woman then take your dick to someone else, she has the right under Shari law to chop off your dick with a blunt instrument.
Don't take my words for it. Consult any Inman or Shari-law expert.
Here's the deal. I am in the USA training a man from China how to drive a tractor trailer. He and his wife have only been here for a few months. He is suggesting later this year that I train his wife to drive also. This will entail her being alone with me in a tractor trailer with a sleeper for about 4 weeks over the road. First of all, this man doesn't realize I'm a major horn dog. Is he crazy? Is this normal for them to be so trusting? Second, she is more than easy on the eyes. What are my chances? He is Buddhist. She is Muslim. But I don't think they are real serious about that. He is a total cornball and I'm not sure what they are doing together. She seems much more sophisticated. They are from Beijing. I've got a few months to prepare and work on my angle and game. Advice please as I know nothing of this culture and how to woo a woman from China.
Fredies Dream
02-24-14, 03:40
Apologies as I did not realize the moral compass of this forum swung that far to the right. As far as what is available in my travels the selection though there is poor and I tend to be selective, few and far between. In the decade I've been driving I've had 3 women "visit" me in the truck one of which was a friend.
As far as the couple goes, he is not innocent nor a stranger to this hobby. He was a well paid government worker that in his profession was a frequent guest of the sauna girls. As I said before they were neither serious about their religious affiliation as it was more just their family background. The mere fact that they would entertain the thought of spending an entire month in a truck alone with me has got to say something to that. My intentions are in no means to force myself on her but to learn and do what was necessary not to offend her cultural sensibilities, be charming the way a Chinese woman appreciates and let the chips fall where they may. Typically I am not a 1st move sort of guy. There would have to be a pretty clear go ahead signal before I would even suggest a trist. But if she comes onto me, well, it's on. I just want to know how to cultivate the opportunity.
As a professional driver, you must be aware of lots of young prostitutes available for sex cheap along your routes.
If you just want sex, just pay for it. Why lower your dignity and move in on someone else's wife?
You should know Muslims are very strict about infidelity. If you screw a Muslim woman then take your dick to someone else, she has the right under Shari law to chop off your dick with a blunt instrument.
Don't take my words for it. Consult any Inman or Shari-law expert.
LukeSkywalker
02-24-14, 06:02
It's my experience, if a Chinese girl agrees to come to your private living space, she's open to have sex. Chines girls do want a lot of sex everyday. But they usually leave it up to the men to make it happen. Except the worst butches, girls naturally like to be told what to do, and they despise guys who they can boss around. Even US girls play this game. Chinese girls just play it a little longer.
Just about all Chinese girls would put up a front and resist your advances again and again. They would not want to spread their legs wide so quickly for fear of losing face. But believe me they all get hot and wet in their panties in anticipation of some hot sex. Human naturally need sex regularly just like they need food, water etc.
So once you have her in your room, give her some alcohol to make her relaxed and happy. Your should start your physical and verbal advances and keep moving in closer and closer to her, kissing her hands, her shoulder, her neck, her face then her lips while your hands should be roaming and caressing her sensitive and intimate zones, eg. Nipples, boobs, thighs, crotch etc. Remember to whisper softly in the most sensuous tone in her ears that you find her very beautiful, attractive, sexy. And that you are in love.
What happened next is very likely shy and bashful Chinese girl would quickly jump on your ass and fuck your brains out.
Anyone have some tips on finding WG's on QQ, Weixin, or MoMo? I don't know how to figure out for sure they're down for p4p. Is there code language or something? Maybe it's just my area? Nanjing isn't that happening compared to Beijing or Shanghai, I know.
Most of the girls I talk to on these apps want to play a slow game (chat, chat, chat, coffee, dinner, then movie at my place for some action maybe). Perhaps that's common in China, but it sure would be nice to find some easy ONS freebies, like I hear is so easy for foreigners here. Do I need to me forward about what I'm interested in? Pretty new to using these apps. Seems more difficult than meeting a chick at a bar and taking her home haha.
I have a few regular freebies I met on QQ, just looking to meet some more, and with less effort haha.
FreebieFan
02-24-14, 06:42
Like OAH, I have also had only Asian women in the last 30 years (I separated from my Caucasian first wife in 1984). Whilst I am not an oracle on P4P as I rarely participate (apart from part timers) , I have had many experiences with Asian girls and I just find that they suit my style. I have not had memorable experiences with African, Middle Eastern or South Asian girls.
My Asian experience encompasses Japan, Philippines, (including 2 marriages to Filipina) , Indonesia, China (1 marriage) , Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia and limited experience in Thailand and Vietnam.
Whilst trying hard not to generalise (LOL) , I find that Chinese girls are the sweetest and most loving
On the other hand, my experiences with Indonesian girls have led me to conclude that they are all nymphomaniacs (YMMV).I'm generally in the same category. My last white woman was in 1985. Middle East, never had. Africans, some great experiences. My personal Top 3 would be Indonesians, Filipinas and Chinese. Thai comes in 4th place. All have that loving component, some are just more than others.
I'm generally in the same category. My last white woman was in 1985. Middle East, never had. Africans, some great experiences. My personal Top 3 would be Indonesians, Filipinas and Chinese. Thai comes in 4th place. All have that loving component, some are just more than others.Our top 3 are the same, except I place Chinese as number one.
It is interesting that many of my colleagues claim that (generally) Chinese non-WG girls are starfish. It is my belief that Chinese girls (particularly those from smaller cities and rural areas) are quite conservative. And, these girls have been brought up to believe they are 'lesser human beings' than males. Maybe, they just tend to let the male get his rocks off. A bit of patience, loving and understanding usually enables these girls to experience real pleasure which is then returned in spades.
Also, in my experience, I have never met a squirter in China. And I cannot remember reading posts at ISG of squirter experiences. Do they exist here?
Cheers
LukeSkywalker
02-25-14, 05:05
Just feed your Chinese date a six pack of Tsingtao and she will be squirting all night. Hehe.
Also, in my experience, I have never met a squirter in China. And I cannot remember reading posts at ISG of squirter experiences. Do they exist here?
Cheers
LukeSkywalker
02-25-14, 05:32
I was only kidding about Shari law allowing your Muslim GF to chop off your infidel dick with a blunt instrument. Nobody picked up on that bullshit. Everyone is just way too serious dicking each other over nickels and dimes.
With my limited exposure to the Muslim world, Shari laws are a lot stricter than most nonsectarian laws in the world, but it allows intermarriages among first cousins, probably due to the necessity of small tribes' nomadic lifestyles. I also personally observe that, in practice, Muslim men and women mostly have lower moral and ethical standards compared to those of other major religions.
Outside of North America and Western Europe, women in Asia, Africa and the Middle East, are still being grossly abused and exploited by their spouses and families. Young girls are still being cirscumcised before teen age by their fathers to make sure they cannot be sexually stimulated, therefore assuring their virginity and marriageablity. You should see girls rolling in pain on the ground, having their clitoris cut off bloody by their fathers with dull glass shards.
So a lot of married third-world women will cry about abuses and neglect by their spouses, wanting some love and sex from you. I would tell them if their situations are that bad, they should have the guts to divorce their abusive husbands. When they become single women again, I would consider giving them my love and sex. I would never destroy my dignity for some women regardless.
Apologies as I did not realize the moral compass of this forum swung that far to the right. As far as what is available in my travels the selection though there is poor and I tend to be selective, few and far between. In the decade I've been driving I've had 3 women "visit" me in the truck one of which was a friend.
As far as the couple goes, he is not innocent nor a stranger to this hobby. He was a well paid government worker that in his profession was a frequent guest of the sauna girls. As I said before they were neither serious about their religious affiliation as it was more just their family background. The mere fact that they would entertain the thought of spending an entire month in a truck alone with me has got to say something to that. My intentions are in no means to force myself on her but to learn and do what was necessary not to offend her cultural sensibilities, be charming the way a Chinese woman appreciates and let the chips fall where they may. Typically I am not a 1st move sort of guy. There would have to be a pretty clear go ahead signal before I would even suggest a trist. But if she comes onto me, well, it's on. I just want to know how to cultivate the opportunity.
Ira Johnson
02-25-14, 05:57
Most of the girls I talk to on these apps want to play a slow game (chat, chat, chat, coffee, dinner, then movie at my place for some action maybe). Perhaps that's common in China, but it sure would be nice to find some easy ONS freebies, like I hear is so easy for foreigners here.I think what you are finding is that it IS easy. As for 'easy ONS freebies, ' I've only found those in clubs, and much more rarely.
It's my experience, if a Chinese girl agrees to come to your private living space, she's open to have sex. Chines girls do want a lot of sex everyday. But they usually leave it up to the men to make it happen. Except the worst butches, girls naturally like to be told what to do, and they despise guys who they can boss around. Even US girls play this game. Chinese girls just play it a little longer.
Just about all Chinese girls would put up a front and resist your advances again and again. They would not want to spread their legs wide so quickly for fear of losing face. But believe me they all get hot and wet in their panties in anticipation of some hot sex. Human naturally need sex regularly just like they need food, water etc.
So once you have her in your room, give her some alcohol to make her relaxed and happy. Your should start your physical and verbal advances and keep moving in closer and closer to her, kissing her hands, her shoulder, her neck, her face then her lips while your hands should be roaming and caressing her sensitive and intimate zones, eg. Nipples, boobs, thighs, crotch etc. Remember to whisper softly in the most sensuous tone in her ears that you find her very beautiful, attractive, sexy. And that you are in love.
What happened next is very likely shy and bashful Chinese girl would quickly jump on your ass and fuck your brains out.This is my experience too. In fact, I have come to appreciate the chat, chat, chat, chat, coffee, dinner, then WHAM. It builds a huge level of comfort, allows the girls to save face and not seem to be 'easy, ' and then when it happens, it's all the way for most everything.
Thanks to SMS and instant messaging, I am able to maintain and develop several at one time. Always a few drop off before fruition but there are more available every day. Once they are in your place they will still likely put up a show of chastity and virtue, but I believe they expect that a man will try to get some. And with gentle but persistent prodding it happens. I generally get sex on the first date, and if not the first, the second. But only after quite a bit of chatting.
I won't tell them I love them or anything that implies it is a relationship though. Sure, closing is easier if you do lead them to believe there is a potential relationship, but the damage caused by a crazed jilted Chinese woman is not worth the hassle.
These things may also apply to non-Chinese but I live in China and love the local action. I find it very worthwhile to play the game. And the few times I try to rush it and get a quick ONS I usually end up dissatisfied.
Ira Johnson
02-25-14, 05:59
It's my experience, if a Chinese girl agrees to come to your private living space, she's open to have sex.Not to mention the fact that in my experience, if you are kissing her, you have the green light for everything. For me, with Chinese gals, kissing on my sofa always leads to sex in my bed (or elsewhere) within 10-20 minutes.
Hey,
So I randomly met this woman online, can't remember what service, but we moved over to WeChat. She knows that I am married and have kids. We met for lunch once, now she wants to meet for drinks and dinner. I know what Freebie would say, but this is just a general question for the board. What does she want? Who wants to eat with a boring married guy? I'm mid 30's, average beyond average. She is single, mid 30's. Works in HR at a local company. I confess, I'm baffled as to her intent. Practicing eEglish? Something physical?
I'm not sure what conclusions to draw about this dinner date she wants.
Jf
Midwestern
02-25-14, 12:31
Also, in my experience, I have never met a squirter in China. And I cannot remember reading posts at ISG of squirter experiences. Do they exist here?
CheersI had a GF in China that was a gusher. I've only had 1 gusher before her, and both were stoners. I wonder if there's a connection.
Ira Johnson
02-26-14, 01:36
Hey,
So I randomly met this woman online, can't remember what service, but we moved over to WeChat. She knows that I am married and have kids. We met for lunch once, now she wants to meet for drinks and dinner.Congratulations.
Meet her for drinks and dinner. Flirt and make it clear (non-verbally especially) that you want to play. Invite her back to your pad or to your hotel room to show her something on your computer (interesting artistic passion you pursue, get her opinion on something related to HR and your work because you could use another opinion). Because based on what you've shared, that is what she wants. Maybe you think you are average, but maybe she has not had a male foreign friend before.
You've followed the steps patiently. Met online, chatted on wechat, met for a chaste lunch. And now she is asking for dinner and drinks? Dude. Don't think too much. Sounds like it's on like Donkey Kong.
Only caveat. I would meet her for drinks and dinner and drinks and drinks (Polish off at least one bottle of wine, give her an 'excuse' for misbehaving) and convince myself that I'd be fine if she really said no. But if you get a kiss, or get her to your room, or even get touchy-feely in a bar. You're golden.
And if you can't agree with what I am sharing here, PM me her WeChat info and I'll explore my theory. I'm kidding of course. PM me if you want some of my tested and proven bar / restaurant / reasons to come back to my place ideas.
Ira
Hey,
So I randomly met this woman online, can't remember what service, but we moved over to WeChat. She knows that I am married and have kids. We met for lunch once, now she wants to meet for drinks and dinner. I know what Freebie would say, but this is just a general question for the board. What does she want? Who wants to eat with a boring married guy? I'm mid 30's, average beyond average. She is single, mid 30's. Works in HR at a local company. I confess, I'm baffled as to her intent. Practicing eEglish? Something physical?
I'm not sure what conclusions to draw about this dinner date she wants.
JfI think that it could be one of many things. These include:
O Attracted to you but wants to build the relationship first.
O Intrigued to meet and learn from a foreigner.
O Wants to practise English.
O Likes to dine at places that she cannot afford herself.
Remember, she is one of the infamous 'left over' women. She may have found it difficult to get married to a Chinese guy with an equal level of sophistication. So, maybe she has designs on you even tho she knows that you are married. What does your intuition tell you?
I sometimes approach this type of situation by suggesting a weekend together away from the home town (and re-assure her that you are a gentleman). If she is OK with having the one room together, or is only a bit hesitant about it, then you are pretty safe that you will have a good weekend. But in all probability she will be fairly conservative in bed. You can be her mentor business-wise and sex-wise!
Cheers
I think that it could be one of many things. These include:
I sometimes approach this type of situation by suggesting a weekend together away from the home town (and re-assure her that you are a gentleman). If she is OK with having the one room together, or is only a bit hesitant about it, then you are pretty safe that you will have a good weekend. But in all probability she will be fairly conservative in bed. You can be her mentor business-wise and sex-wise!
CheersAh, I could invite her on a biz trip. Great suggestion. Should I choose to pursue!
LukeSkywalker
02-26-14, 08:37
I think you are right.
Not only Chinese girls, but I find almost any girls in the world would take deep kissing of their mouths very seriously, more serious than letting someone stick a dick into their pussies covered with a condom.
I am not an MD, but read somewhere that the mouth, with fluids and nutrients in the saliva, actually carries and breeds far more bacteria, viruses and diseases than the rest of the body.
Besides potentials for offensive bad breath, there are also potentials for infection by pathogens carried in saliva from bleeding gums and mouth sores ect. Girls usually require a high degree of attraction and trust in guys before they would allow deep mouth kisses. If she lets you stick your tongue into her mouth, she would most likely let you stick your tongue and your dick into her other cavities.
To maximize the chance to score on dates, always keep your mouth clean and your breath fresh. If you have bad breath, take along a few kilos of breath freshener on dates. In the worst case of bad breath, rinse your mouth with high-octane gas regularly if you have to...hehe.
Not to mention the fact that in my experience, if you are kissing her, you have the green light for everything. For me, with Chinese gals, kissing on my sofa always leads to sex in my bed (or elsewhere) within 10-20 minutes.
LukeSkywalker
02-26-14, 09:21
Hi Ira,
Your experiences with Chinese girls match mine almost exactly.
In my job I have to deal with young Chinese girls everyday long distance via SKYPE, PHONE and EMAIL. They are all college educated with good commands of writing and speaking English. Some are incredibly beautiful, nice, sweet, innocent and trusting. I met and go out with all of them in my visits to China. So I can say I know them personally.
I treat them like very close and trusted friends with much truthfulness, sincerity and honesty. My sincere compliments are always returned with the sweetest and most innocent appreciation. I found young Chinese girls far sweeter and more innocent than girls at the same levels of age and education in almost all other countries, that in my considered judgement, it's way too easy to take and break their hearts.
In comparison, US girls in the same demographic group are far more cunning and cynical with lots of bad attitudes.
I only visit China infrequently but managed to have a few very sweet relationships with a few educated, wholesome, good-looking young girls. BTW I am a passionate guy. I have a bad habit of telling every girl of my undying love for them by the second date. Guess I just love , or say I love, a lot of girls at the same time.
When Chinese girls are interested in intimate relationships with guys, almost all would offer to cook their favorite dishes and spoon feed the guys like babies. A lot of girls offer to put me up in their cramped apartments and cook meals for me in my visits. If that is not love, I dont know what love is!
The guys who live in China are indeed lucky. Just donate as many orgasms as you can but try not to break their hearts.
I think what you are finding is that it IS easy. As for 'easy ONS freebies, ' I've only found those in clubs, and much more rarely.
This is my experience too. In fact, I have come to appreciate the chat, chat, chat, chat, coffee, dinner, then WHAM. It builds a huge level of comfort, allows the girls to save face and not seem to be 'easy, ' and then when it happens, it's all the way for most everything.
Thanks to SMS and instant messaging, I am able to maintain and develop several at one time. Always a few drop off before fruition but there are more available every day. Once they are in your place they will still likely put up a show of chastity and virtue, but I believe they expect that a man will try to get some. And with gentle but persistent prodding it happens. I generally get sex on the first date, and if not the first, the second. But only after quite a bit of chatting.
I won't tell them I love them or anything that implies it is a relationship though. Sure, closing is easier if you do lead them to believe there is a potential relationship, but the damage caused by a crazed jilted Chinese woman is not worth the hassle.
These things may also apply to non-Chinese but I live in China and love the local action. I find it very worthwhile to play the game. And the few times I try to rush it and get a quick ONS I usually end up dissatisfied.
Hi Ira, [SNIP]
I only visit China infrequently but managed to have a few very sweet relationships with a few educated, wholesome, good-looking young girls. BTW I am a passionate guy. I have a bad habit of telling every girl of my undying love for them by the second date. Guess I just love, or say I love, a lot of girls at the same time.
When Chinese girls are interested in intimate relationships with guys, almost all would offer to cook their favorite dishes and spoon feed the guys like babies. A lot of girls offer to put me up in their cramped apartments and cook meals for me in my visits. If that is not love, I don't know what love is!
The guys who live in China are indeed lucky. Just donate as many orgasms as you can but try not to break their hearts.Unfortunately, my experiences have been very different.
In my experience, if a guy says to a Chinese girl that he loves her in the first 6 months of them seeing each other, she regards him as a bit of an idiot. Westerners have a reputation for saying "I love you" very easily and not mean it! They are a wake up to us!
I have never had a Chinese girl offer to cook for me. Every younger girl that I have met did not even know how to cook at all! At home, their mothers spoilt them, and at university and in their jobs, they eat in canteens. Sometimes 3 meals a day in their company canteens!
Again, I have never had a Chinese girl offer me to stay, even overnight, in their apartments. They either live in dormitories, share apartments with other girls, or, live in such tiny apartments (15 sq. Metres?) they are embarrassed to ask a guy to try and squeeze in with them. In fact, I have never been invited to any Chinese home or apartment by a make or a female. They always ask you out to dinner.
You must be really charming and lucky!
FruitNinja
02-26-14, 13:56
I had a GF in China that was a gusher. I've only had 1 gusher before her, and both were stoners. I wonder if there's a connection.I had a Chinese SB here in the states. 22 when I met her. She was a total gusher. It's all in the G-spot, the right level of excitement, and hitting it the right way. She was embarrassed by it but for me it was a major turn on. I had another SB about the same age. American girl. She never squirted for me but on her what through town she told me she had the ability. Had it happen with her bf. So we tried it and sure enough she squirted like crazy. I'm with a 1/2 Viet. 1/4 AA, and 1/4 Romanian girl now that is about 5'1" 90 lbs. I've almost got her there. I think the majority of women can do it. Just a matter of finding the right button.
StinkyFeet
02-26-14, 14:56
In fact, I have never been invited to any Chinese home or apartment by a make or a female. They always ask you out to dinner.Perhaps I am asian, perhaps I have a casual laid back attitude, but yeah, I never had a problem getting invites to the girl's cramped places. Several times I was shot down if she shared her place. Cooking, well most of them offered. Even when I wasn't living in China. I was always thought it was a an asian culture thing to invite them for a friendly meal.
Perhaps I am asian, perhaps I have a casual laid back attitude, but yeah, I never had a problem getting invites to the girl's cramped places. Several times I was shot down if she shared her place. Cooking, well most of them offered. Even when I wasn't living in China. I was always thought it was a an asian culture thing to invite them for a friendly meal.Perhaps it is because I am western and they are embarrassed about their tiny little apartments. They are incredibly tiny, and often in shitty areas. Many may also think all white collar westerners live in gigantic mansions.
In Shenzhen, in a reasonable area, a small one room studio apartment (about 20sq m or 200 sq ft) costs 3, 500 to 4, 000 RMB.
Young girls' salaries, even for college graduates, is likely to be much less than 5, 000 RMB. A shop assistant's salary may be about 2, 000 RMB. They just can't afford a decent apartment by themselves.
Near some of the industrial areas, there are often many block of apartments built especially for workers. They are even much smaller, and very shitty but can be as cheap as 1, 000 RMB. These are often rented by single office and factory girls, but there is not even room in them to swing a cat, let alone for 2 people.
By comparison, in Futian, a 140sq m (1, 400sq ft) furnished apartment in a decent complex, costs 9, 000 RMB to 12, 000 RMB.
It also sounds that you are taking out a more sophisticated girl than the young girls I generally take out.
Again, it might be a west versus east culture thing, but every time I have been invited for a meal, be it senior business manager, or horny young girl, it has always been to a restaurant, not their home.
In 8 1/2 years of living in China, I have never been invited to a Chinese person's home. Shit, there must be something wrong with me!
The only exception was in Hong Kong, a good friend invited me many times to his 2 bed room plus maid's quarters Tung Chung apartment. This apartment (about 1000sq ft) , although nice, was still very small, considering the guy had been a VP of a very large American corporation. Actually, the apartment was smaller than 1000sq ft as in Hong Kong they include the common areas, such as hallways by the elevators as part of the sq footage.
Sorry for mixing metric and imperial measurements. Mainland China is metric and Hong Kong is imperial.
Anyway, Stinkyfeet, you have much better luck than me. And no Chinese girl has ever offered to cook shit for me, even when in my apartment. I always end up cooking for them!
I had a Chinese SB here in the states. 22 when I met her. She was a total gusher. It's all in the G-spot, the right level of excitement, and hitting it the right way. She was embarrassed by it but for me it was a major turn on. I had another SB about the same age. American girl. She never squirted for me but on her what through town she told me she had the ability. Had it happen with her bf. So we tried it and sure enough she squirted like crazy. I'm with a 1/2 Viet. 1/4 AA, and 1/4 Romanian girl now that is about 5'1" 90 lbs. I've almost got her there. I think the majority of women can do it. Just a matter of finding the right button.Maybe I need to take lessons!
Cheers
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Also, in my experience, I have never met a squirter in China. And I cannot remember reading posts at ISG of squirter experiences. Do they exist here?
CheersI have met a Chinese squirter in Beijing on on LT stay there with one of those expensive call outs. She was doing it quite a bit, was going all over my shoulders and some around my face while we were in 69. I still am not sure if she was faking this as she was squeezing her sphincter muscles when it happened. The thing I'm still not sure of even this day is IF that shit is really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). My Sign. Othr can squirt as well (by herself) when she wants to, yet she says it's not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). But both women it has the slight smell of [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and it's runs like [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) too.
I had a GF in China that was a gusher. I've only had 1 gusher before her, and both were stoners. I wonder if there's a connection.My current 27 yo (met her when she was 23) is a squirter (first time with me) and never a stoner.
Midwestern
02-28-14, 05:48
I've noticed more and more black girls on Craigslist. What's the story here? Anyone partake and can provide a 411? I'd love to sample one of them, but CL in general has been a ripoff for me, so I'm wary.
Ice Dragon
02-28-14, 16:04
My current 27 yo (met her when she was 23) is a squirter (first time with me) and never a stoner.Hate to show my ignorance, but what's a "Stoner"?
Ice
Hate to show my ignorance, but what's a "Stoner"?
IceDo not know the word. Maybe stonefish, but meant starfish? OT, but you don't want to step on a stonefish; the sting is exceptionally painful! Are some girls like that? Haha.
Hate to show my ignorance, but what's a "Stoner"?
IceStoner = drug user / abuser, I. E. 'stoned'.
Peter Christo
03-02-14, 01:02
Hi guys,
Any advice on this would be appreciated.
I have my regular girl in this area travelling with me for about 9 days.
Obviously the crackdown has stopped her normal gig.
We are staying in 4 star + hotels and I am taking care of her.
So any ideas on how should much I should give her as an "allowance".
If all good, we will do this for each month, till the crackdown is lifted.
Her normal rate for LT overnight has been 1,000.
PM me if you have any inside info on any pitfalls etc.
StinkyFeet
03-09-14, 17:30
It seems like all the really hot guangdong girls have a body odor that I cannot get accustomed to. The girls are exceptionally clean, but the smell, I really cannot handle it. Even with perfumes (which I don't like) the smell is still there. Is it a diet issue? What gives? Some sichuan girls have it but is tolerable, hunan girls that I noticed, smell sweet. Northeast girls that I experienced smell the best hence my fondness of them.
It seems like all the really hot guangdong girls have a body odor that I cannot get accustomed to. The girls are exceptionally clean, but the smell, I really cannot handle it. Even with perfumes (which I don't like) the smell is still there. Is it a diet issue? What gives? Some sichuan girls have it but is tolerable, hunan girls that I noticed, smell sweet. Northeast girls that I experienced smell the best hence my fondness of them.Interesting! I have never noticed this (of course there are individuals with bad BO and genital hygiene). Does this mean I have become acclimatised to Guangdong?
Anyway, I believe diet is a factor in BO (but there again Sichuan and Hunan people both like hot spicy food). I spent some years in Papua New Guinea. Phew! A plane full of PNG people leaves you gasping. It is not a very pleasant smell to westerners (no offence meant to Papuans). Many attributed it to the diet of tinned fish and rice.
I will have to pay close attention next time to the next 'hot Guangdong girl' I come across (not literally)!
Cheers
StinkyFeet
03-10-14, 17:21
Interesting! I have never noticed this (of course there are individuals with bad BO and genital hygiene). Does this mean I have become acclimatised to Guangdong?
Anyway, I believe diet is a factor in BO (but there again Sichuan and Hunan people both like hot spicy food). I spent some years in Papua New Guinea. Phew! A plane full of PNG people leaves you gasping. It is not a very pleasant smell to westerners (no offence meant to Papuans). Many attributed it to the diet of tinned fish and rice.
I will have to pay close attention next time to the next 'hot Guangdong girl' I come across (not literally)!
CheersEven though hunan people eat spicy food, it doesn't contain a lot of offensive smelling garlic like there siblings the sichuanese, also korean girls can sometimes be a little too much for me at times due to there fermented diets. Chile isn't all that bad to vag juice I believe. But yeah, I was flirting with this really hot GD girl the other day, everytime she got close, I had to back away somewhat. Sigh, cute face, busty, nice ass, small hands, slender, really hawt
FreebieFan
03-12-14, 04:45
I chat with quite a few ladies on various sites and places, but what is remarkably similar is that all these ladies will invariably ask, on the 3rd. 4th or 5th question " Are you single ". For some they don't care how I reply, for others being separated for the past 5 years still makes me legally married and their interest in me deflates quicker than a recently ejaculated dick.
This sad obsession by some girls to get into a marriage regardless of who when where how, just so they can say they " succeeded " at getting married is a really strange phenomenen thats interesting to see. Luckily I have a great roster of freebies who don't care about this and don't expect much from me.
I chat with quite a few ladies on various sites and places, but what is remarkably similar is that all these ladies will invariably ask, on the 3rd. 4th or 5th question " Are you single ". For some they don't care how I reply, for others being separated for the past 5 years still makes me legally married and their interest in me deflates quicker than a recently ejaculated dick.
This sad obsession by some girls to get into a marriage regardless of who when where how, just so they can say they " succeeded " at getting married is a really strange phenomenon that's interesting to see. Luckily I have a great roster of freebies who don't care about this and don't expect much from me.FreebieFan, you and many other posters here are genuine alpha males. The girls want to marry the alpha males, but because alpha males do not want to marry, they settle for less! Many Chinese girls also want to marry someone who they think is acceptable to their parents - and this would not be an alpha male! How is that for a theory?
BTW I am interested in your opinion regarding the difference between Pinay and Chinese girls. It is indisputable that very young Pinays have many more babies out of wedlock than Chinese girls (even including abortions). It seems to be an accepted way of life with lesser educated non-professional (business professional not WG) girls! And I don't hold to the idea of blaming the Catholic Church!
Anyway, there are plenty of freebies to keep us going in these difficult times here!
Cheers
Many posters here prefer girls in the 19 to 25, some up to 30 age range. Others, like BnLee2 prefer MILFS.
I do not put age as the first criterion. Quality is more important to me. I am proud to admit that in 2012 I had a GF who was 53 years old. If she did not have to look after her 80 year old mother, the relationship would have lasted longer!
She was great – genuine quality in every way! Truly memorable! She had never been married, but had had a long term relationship with a western guy.
Any advance on 53? Anyone?
FreebieFan, you and many other posters here are genuine alpha males. The girls want to marry the alpha males, but because alpha males do not want to marry, they settle for less! Many Chinese girls also want to marry someone who they think is acceptable to their parents. And this would not be an alpha male! How is that for a theory?
BTW I am interested in your opinion regarding the difference between Pinay and Chinese girls. It is indisputable that very young Pinays have many more babies out of wedlock than Chinese girls (even including abortions). It seems to be an accepted way of life with lesser educated non-professional (business professional not WG) girls! And I don't hold to the idea of blaming the Catholic Church!
Anyway, there are plenty of freebies to keep us going in these difficult times here!
CheersMaybe parents like non-alpha males exactly for the reason you stated- alpha males don't need to commit!
As for freebies, for those of us who only visit and don't live in the region, what might be some things to try? Especially if we are Asian (but USA born / educated)? Is it approaching on the street? Bars / clubs? Online dating sites, chat / cultivate and set up meets?
Maybe parents like non-alpha males exactly for the reason you stated- alpha males don't need to commit!
As for freebies, for those of us who only visit and don't live in the region, what might be some things to try? Especially if we are Asian (but USA born / educated)? Is it approaching on the street? Bars / clubs? Online dating sites, chat / cultivate and set up meets?Before visiting, use dating sites. I have tried DIA and Chnlove, but I much prefer ChineseLoveLinks. It has by far the best ROI for me. And don't neglect opportunities in nearby towns. I have had a number of girls come to visit (and stay with me) after a bit of correspondence.
Approach on streets? I don't think this is the best way. Occasionally you may have success. I have met girls at airports and on planes a number of times. Customers in coffee shops can be an opportunity, but usually there are many other customers, and the girls are reserved and do not want to lose face.
Chatting shopgirls in any shop that is not busy has worked great for me. Shops in upmarket shopping centres often have one or more girls who speak a little English. Sometimes even a little Japanese or Korean (they learn at school). So if your Chinese is not fluent, an amusing, racy patois of language results. It is a lot of fun. You just need to be aware that you not distracting them from their work, and be aware who is the manager.
I remember when a new coffee shop opened in a smallish office building in Futian (actually it was Shenzhen Metro building). As always 3 or 4 girls there, even tho' very, very few customers. I visited a few times, as my bank was also on the ground floor of the building. The woman who owned the shop, ended up asking me if I liked any of the girls (they were standing shyly in the background). She then introduced me to each of the girls and I got their mobile numbers and WeChat I'd's.
Overall, if I go out looking for freebies, I am often unsuccessful. But opportunities arise frequently, and when I least expect them. Be alert and you won't regret your inactions later!
Cheers
FreebieFan
03-13-14, 07:22
BTW I am interested in your opinion regarding the difference between Pinay and Chinese girls. It is indisputable that very young Pinays have many more babies out of wedlock than Chinese girls (even including abortions). It seems to be an accepted way of life with lesser educated non-professional (business professional not WG) girls! And I don't hold to the idea of blaming the Catholic Church!
Anyway, there are plenty of freebies to keep us going in these difficult times here!
CheersWhislt I'm certainly not an expert on Chinese girls, (but do have a passing familiarity with Pinays) any comparisons are tough, simply because Pinays are happy to get their panties with no pretense because they genuinely and enthusiastically enjoy sex. They also know much less about birth control thanks to the ridiculous teachings or lack thereof by the church. They might have a moments guilt about the church nonsense but I've had many many ladies I chatted with, then met for first time in a mall, and had them in bed within the hour.
Chinese girls pretend they are a tad more difficult and seem to pretend to want more loving and more relationship stuff, but in the end they still like what goes on in the dark just as much. I don't know much about Chinese girls and their disposition to having babies before married. I've met 3-4 like that but thats all.
The other difference of course is that Chinese gals are just a bit more hairy. LOL.
FreebieFan
03-13-14, 07:24
Overall, if I go out looking for freebies, I am often unsuccessful. But opportunities arise frequently, and when I least expect them. Be alert and you won't regret your inactions later!
Cheers4 of my current roster all contacted me. I just sit and wait. 3 days ago one contacted me and was highly interested in having coffee with me. 1.7m. 57kg. 27 year old. We met, had happy chat for an hour. Now weve had the first meet will lure her to my place next week.
StinkyFeet
03-13-14, 17:51
The other difference of course is that Chinese gals are just a bit more hairy. LOL.I must challenge that stereotype. 75% of the girls I met were not hairy at all. Yes they got pubes but fine strands is very edible.
The other difference of course is that Chinese gals are just a bit more hairy. LOL.My experience is that Chinese girls have very little underarm hair compared to Pinay.
I have never encountered a Pinay white tiger, but I have met several Chinese white tiger (actually I just counted 6, although 2 of them actually had a tiny bit of fluff above the object of our desire). Natural white tigers in China versus artificial (ie shaved) white tigers in PI. I know which I prefer!
OT, but did you know Filipinos regard a girl with hairy arms as quite sexy? WTF!
Cheers
Whislt I'm certainly not an expert on Chinese girls, (but do have a passing familiarity with Pinays) any comparisons are tough, simply because Pinays are happy to get their panties with no pretense because they genuinely and enthusiastically enjoy sex. They also know much less about birth control thanks to the ridiculous teachings or lack thereof by the church. They might have a moments guilt about the church nonsense but I've had many many ladies I chatted with, then met for first time in a mall, and had them in bed within the hour.I think that Chinese are equally ignorant regarding birth control. Maybe Pinays just love sex more. Filipinos seem to be more open about sexual matters, have less hang-ups, and this enables them to enjoy sex more? Maybe they are also more fertile (?). I wonder if pollution in China is a factor!
Cheers
OldAsiaHand
03-16-14, 04:29
First, let me qualify that I have done far more Chinese WG than their Filipina counterparts. That said, I have had a fair share of Pinays over the years.
I don't always ask but I have only encountered a few Chinese WGs that had babies. On the other hand, I found that the majority of Pinay WGs have kids.
Chinese girls tend to wait for marriage to have babies and when they get divorced, most of them have some means to support themselves and their children. The fathers take more responsibility in this regard. Thus, they don't need to go on the game to support the kids.
Filipinas just seem to get knocked up and dumped without recourse by deadbeat fathers and end up on the game to support their children. Thailand is similar.
Just my POV.
OAH
First, let me qualify that I have done far more Chinese WG than their Filipina counterparts. That said, I have had a fair share of Pinays over the years.
I don't always ask but I have only encountered a few Chinese WGs that had babies. On the other hand, I found that the majority of Pinay WGs have kids.
Chinese girls tend to wait for marriage to have babies and when they get divorced, most of them have some means to support themselves and their children. The fathers take more responsibility in this regard. Thus, they don't need to go on the game to support the kids.
Filipinas just seem to get knocked up and dumped without recourse by deadbeat fathers and end up on the game to support their children. Thailand is similar.
Just my POV.
OAHGenerally agree. One further difference is that Chinese girls will have abortions, whereas Pinays tend to want to keep the baby. Filipino families also tend to accept and support the babies. Some Pinay girls even seem to want to have babies, especially if a light-skinned westerner is involved. Status? Potential support?
One of my Filipina ex's has a cousin (urban middle class family) who knocked up his girlfriend when they both were high school classmates. They got married and subsequently produced 5 daughters. Four of the girls all had babies before they turned 17. The whole family of course supported them. Only the youngest could manage to keep her panties above her knees, and my ex-wife and I supported her through her nursing degree. Now she supports the rest of the family! And of course they are no longer a middle class family like the parents, but perennially teetering on the edge of poverty.
StinkyFeet
03-17-14, 18:19
Any thoughts on this? Asking any seniors from south China area any experience on this. This is my second time doing this coming tomorrow. Another cute 18yo white tiger. My first experience wasn't a match made in heaven but was close to a stunner in my book. This time I hope to just have as much fun as possible before she disappears on me.
I am sure that many experienced members here have encountered SYTs wearing a red string around their waist. Why do they wear it?
I have heard that only Rat girls wear it. Also, I think I remember reading on this forum that only girls who are 12, 24 or 36 years of age wear it.
I know rodeo cowboys hang on to a rope that is around their mount! Could it be something similar?
Do you think that I could get a research grant to investigate further and do statistical analyses of selected sample groups?
Cheers
Jude Bright
03-28-14, 01:34
I am sure that many experienced members here have encountered SYTs wearing a red string around their waist. Why do they wear it?
I have heard that only Rat girls wear it. Also, I think I remember reading on this forum that only girls who are 12, 24 or 36 years of age wear it.
I know rodeo cowboys hang on to a rope that is around their mount! Could it be something similar?
Do you think that I could get a research grant to investigate further and do statistical analyses of selected sample groups?
CheersGood observation. This is a Chinese tradition, every 12 years from you birth, Not only girls, but also boys suppose to wear red belt, short or red inner clothers to keep them safe, from disaster, etc. This is a well know fact.
JB
Good observation. This is a Chinese tradition, every 12 years from you birth, Not only girls, but also boys suppose to wear red belt, short or red inner clothers to keep them safe, from disaster, etc. This is a well know fact.
JBIn other words if, this year, I meet a girl that is wearing a red string, then she was born in a year of the Horse (for example 1990).
I know that some Chinese people wear red to help keep them safe as it scares off a specific dragon (can't remember its name) that causes disaster. But this is probably not related to the wearing of red during one's zodiac animal year, as they do this every year?
I do understand that the year of their zodiac animal is regarded as an auspicious year for the person, but why wear red only during this particular year? Why scare off a dragon only during their zodiac animal year?
And I think someone once told me that the red clothing worn to ward off the 'disaster' dragon had to be bought or made by someone else.
Maybe the complete answer to the tradition is more complex!
Cheers
Ice Dragon
03-28-14, 04:27
My understanding is that one's birth sign year is an extremely unlucky, and perilous time. Something red is worn to ward off evil at all times, ie. May not be removed. In recent times I've seen this several times in the form of a piece of red string around the waist, a red string bracelet (with gold charm attached) , and a red neck pendant. I've seen much discussion (and photos) on this forum over the years.
Ice
In other words if, this year, I meet a girl that is wearing a red string, then she was born in a year of the Horse (for example 1990).
I know that some Chinese people wear red to help keep them safe as it scares off a specific dragon (can't remember its name) that causes disaster. But this is probably not related to the wearing of red during one's zodiac animal year, as they do this every year?
I do understand that the year of their zodiac animal is regarded as an auspicious year for the person, but why wear red only during this particular year? Why scare off a dragon only during their zodiac animal year?
And I think someone once told me that the red clothing worn to ward off the 'disaster' dragon had to be bought or made by someone else.
Maybe the complete answer to the tradition is more complex!
Cheers
My understanding is that one's birth sign year is an extremely unlucky, and perilous time. Something red is worn to ward off evil at all times, ie. May not be removed. In recent times I've seen this several times in the form of a piece of red string around the waist, a red string bracelet (with gold charm attached) , and a red neck pendant. I've seen much discussion (and photos) on this forum over the years.
IceThanks for your input. Everything makes sense. I have delved back into the forum archive here, and googled (English only) for information. My current gf just says she doesn't believe in all this superstition, so she isn't much help.
But I am a pedantic, detailed driven bastard (because of my profession) , and I strongly believe that we do not fully understand the tradition.
For example, I have seen many, many girls of all different ages wearing pendants / charms on red string around their necks or wrists. I have always thought that the girls could not afford a necklace / bracelet and so use lucky red string. I have seen stall holders selling jewellery automatically offer red string to buyers of all ages.
I have specific knowledge of 2 acquaintances (one 22, and the other 28) , where they bought and wore jewellery on red string around their neck. On the other hand, I remember maybe 10 years ago, I bought some charm (I can't remember if it was jade or gold etc) , that supposedly had special significance for my gf's mother as a birthday present. My gf was adamant that the charm had to be worn on red string! The mother could have been turning 48, but I am uncertain.
Maybe it is only the red string around the waist that is of special significance during the year of a person's zodiac animal sign?
Do some girls keep wearing waist red string after the end of the year?
What is the significance of red string, versus other red articles of clothing, which of course are removed daily?
Does the red string ideally have to be bought by someone else?
I find this an interesting discussion, although not strictly relevant to the objectives of this forum except that:
O at this point of time, I have drawn the tentative conclusion that one cannot reliably calculate a girl's age if she wears red string.
O better understanding this tradition, may assist win the hearts and affection of our SYTs.
Cheers.
P. S. Of course I realise that the tradition applies to both males and females, but I haven't seen many naked males!
Thanks for your input. Everything makes sense. I have delved back into the forum archive here, and googled (English only) for information. My current gf just says she doesn't believe in all this superstition, so she isn't much help. [S N I P]My current gf has just informed me that none of her friends believe in this 'superstitious crap'. And she is only a few years out of the backblocks of rural China (Hanshou County near Changde (Hunan). So apparently, these cultural traditions are fast dying out!
Cheers
My current gf has just informed me that none of her friends believe in this 'superstitious crap'. And she is only a few years out of the backblocks of rural China (Hanshou County near Changde (Hunan). So apparently, these cultural traditions are fast dying out! CheersThe best explanation of the tradition that I could find is given below and is relevant for 2014. Interesting that the red string should be worn every 6 years! Some Chinese apparently only wear the red item, during chunjie (the 15 day Chinese New Year period). However, it is also apparent that many Chinese like to wear red all the time! Online ads show red waist strings being sold all year!
"For many Chinese, it's necessary to wear red underwear, a red string around the waist or wrist, or a gold necklace throughout the entire ben ming nian, the zodiac year in which they were born.
"For example, those born in the year of horse, namely the years of 1918, 1930, 1942, 1954, 1966, 1978, 1990 and 2002, are entering their ben ming nian this year.
"Ben ming nian (destiny year) is supposed to be a year of extremely bad luck and many difficulties.
"Many people don't realize, however, that cautions also apply to those separated in birth by six years.
"This is because those born in the destiny year — and those six years away — are said to offend the god Tai Sui, the ancient Chinese name for Saturn. This year "it's horses and rats, on opposite sides of the 12-animal zodiac.
"It's said that the god that protects horse people departs for heaven that year, leaving the person unprotected and vulnerable to all kinds of dangers.
"Red is considered an auspicious and lucky color that can counter bad luck, while gold is said to have enough spiritual power to conquer evil spirits. Thus, the red clothing, strings and gold jewelry — they are supposed to be kept close to the body at all times.
"Some people buy Tai Sui amulets in a small red paper pouch and carry it with them throughout the year, burning it before the next new year arrives.
"Horses and rats are advised not to go to funerals since they are more vulnerable to yin (cold) energy and evil spirits this year."
StinkyFeet
04-15-14, 15:35
When I as a young, I used to only worship the breasts, as I got older, I now crave the ass on a slithe girl. Anybody else like me? I now cannot even get excited even though the girl could be pretty with great tits but if there is no ass, I can't be having that. Current sugarbaby is a cute from anhui with small B's, but such a nice ass. She's wearing a velour track suit, and I can't help but grope her ass. Before her I was playing with another pretty girl with perfect C's on a slith body but I after hitting it twice, I couldn't get excited again. But this girl. Everyday with out a hitch.
My current gf has just informed me that none of her friends believe in this 'superstitious crap'. And she is only a few years out of the backblocks of rural China (Hanshou County near Changde (Hunan). So apparently, these cultural traditions are fast dying out!
CheersMy girlfriend has been wearing red underwear as described. She said it's a cultural thing.
When I as a young, I used to only worship the breasts, as I got older, I now crave the ass on a slithe girl. Anybody else like me? I now cannot even get excited even though the girl could be pretty with great tits but if there is no ass, I can't be having that. Current sugarbaby is a cute from anhui with small B's, but such a nice ass. She's wearing a velour track suit, and I can't help but grope her ass. Before her I was playing with another pretty girl with perfect C's on a slith body but I after hitting it twice, I couldn't get excited again. But this girl. Everyday with out a hitch.The problem from my perspective is that many / most Chinese women have the ass of a 12 year old boy
StinkyFeet
04-16-14, 17:36
The problem from my perspective is that many / most Chinese women have the ass of a 12 year old boyI think that problem only exists for south congress girls and some girls outside of that province
I think that problem only exists for south congress girls and some girls outside of that provinceSouth Congress? What province is that? Please explain! Is your autocorrect on?
Cheers
I love natural white tigers (not shaved) and teeth floss girls are OK too!
But until recently, I did not know that the type of pubic hair carried traditional meanings.
White Tiger: may be infertile.
Black pubes: strong and passionate.
Brown, gold tints: easy and generous
Fine, silky: quiet and retiring.
Upward growth: sign of beauty.
Abundant growth: sensuous and passionate.
There are also various terms for pubic hair: black rose, fragrant grass, sacred hair, moss.
Enjoy
When a girl is described as burnt fungus, what does this mean?
Is it possibly referring to how mushrooms (fungi) become mushy when overcooked, and how a girls meimei will become mushy when overused? LOL
Apologies I don't know how to post the Chinese characters (yes, I have RTFF).
Cheers
When a girl is described as burnt fungus, what does this mean?
Is it possibly referring to how mushrooms (fungi) become mushy when overcooked, and how a girls meimei will become mushy when overused? LOL.
Apologies I don't know how to post the Chinese characters (yes, I have RTFF).
CheersMaybe you mean hei1mu4'er3, wich means black fungus, a mushroom often eaten in China.
A girl is called hei mu er, when people think she sleeps around a lot. The black fungus resembles her often used vagina.
The problem from my perspective is that many / most Chinese women have the ass of a 12 year old boyI like the bounce and need something to hold onto. Way too many bony butts here in the middle kingdom. Southern congress or otherwise.
StinkyFeet
04-22-14, 17:31
South Congress? What province is that? Please explain! Is your autocorrect on?
Cheers% autocorrect! I was swipe typing in a hurry on my android. I meant south Chinese girls.
StinkyFeet
04-22-14, 17:32
I love natural white tigers (not shaved) and teeth floss girls are OK too!
But until recently, I did not know that the type of pubic hair carried traditional meanings.
White Tiger: may be infertile.
Black pubes: strong and passionate.
Brown, gold tints: easy and generous
Fine, silky: quiet and retiring.
Upward growth: sign of beauty.
Abundant growth: sensuous and passionate.
There are also various terms for pubic hair: black rose, fragrant grass, sacred hair, moss.
EnjoyWhere's the like button?
Maybe you mean hei1mu4'er3, wich means black fungus, a mushroom often eaten in China.
A girl is called hei mu er, when people think she sleeps around a lot. The black fungus resembles her often used vagina.Thanks for your assistance. I just rechecked. It was shao1 hui3 mu4 er3, and its dictionary translation is burnt wood-ear fungus (or tree fungus?).
Maybe the 2 terms are used in different parts of China?
Anyway, I think your explanation of the look (as compared to my mushy 'feel' explanation; LOL) is probably the accurate meaning.
Cheers
Tips to meet freebies in Shenzhen if you don't speak Chinese.
This is probably an opportune time, with the current dearth of P4P, to document my approach to meet freebies. I have long been a freebie fan rather than a P4P guy (I enjoy the challenge of the hunt). My experiences have mainly been in Shenzhen, which I appreciate can be a bit different to the northern Tier 1 cities.
With preplanning, you could develop contacts with English-speaking girls from sites such as DIA, and CLL (now called something else) , but forget Craigslist unless you are a deviant. But this is not really practical when you are already in-country for just a short business trip. Most of these girls have greater expectations than you do, and it takes time to develop these relationships.
But, if you are new to SZ and don't speak any Chinese, you can still meet freebies.
My DO tips follow:
(1) WeChat: This is a good option if you have the right approach. It is important to have some good photos of yourself (or someone who looks somewhat like you if identity is a concern). Invest a bit of time to clearly state in Chinese where you are, and write an attractive 'What's Up' (in Chinese). Clearly state the you do not speak Chinese, want to visit local places, are patient and would like to learn Chinese or something similar. Add a few 'Moments' with photos that show you are a genuine and fun guy. You will get some contacts, but be proactive and 'Discover' nearby girls that have some English words in their name or profile. Use Fake GPS on your phone to 'visit' different areas to expand your opportunities.
(2) Banks: A favourite of mine. Many banks have a junior girl at a counter near the front to assist customers. They speak some English, or will call someone who does. Get her to help you use the ATMs (some complicated transfer or similar). If she seems friendly, get her business card and follow up! I used to do this all the time, especially a few years ago when a lot of ATMs did not have English menus on the screen.
(3) Shops: In better class shopping centres, some of the shop girls speak basic English. Just be aware that she has a job to do, so don't monopolise her at busy times. Places I recommend include King Glory Plaza, Coco Park (GouWuGongYuan) , City Walk, SZITIC Centre (Sam's Club Walmart) and similar places. Never had any success at MixC though.
(4) Coffee Shops: Small uncrowded coffee shops often provide opportunities where one or perhaps 2 girls are sitting alone. Most won't speak English, but occasionally you will strike gold. Just say hi, and ask a silly but simple question to start.
(5) Major Bookshops: Go to the English section and where they have the English language learning books. Girls in these areas are more likely to speak a little English. My favourite is the Bookcity branch in Futian near Children's Palace (largest bookshop in the world?). Just don't trip over the sitting people reading the books! There are also multiple books stores within Bookcity.
(6) Hotels: Better class hotels have numerous staff that speak English. If you are charming, there are opportunities here. Some of the hotels employ university students part-time (say in the coffee shop) , because of their English ability. At one time some of the girls at the (black) Sheraton were available for take-out if they liked you (they were not cheap).
(7) Remember, be aware of other people around you. A girl may show signs of interest in you, and if you are not alert, it becomes another lost opportunity.
(8) Most of the girls learnt English at school. They can read and write some English, and it is amazing, how if they really need to, they can manage to speak a little English.
(9) And lastly, when you meet a SWT, buy her some small gifts. In South China, if she is with other girls, and you do not buy her a present, she loses face in front of her friends.
My DON'T tips and things I no longer try to meet SWTs:
(1) Nightclubs: Way too noisy and the few girls that can speak a little English (if you can hear them) are usually WGs (maybe part-timers).
(2) Starbucks: They are usually crowded (with people using the free wifi for hours at a time). Even if you can find a convenient seat, it is a bit awkward to trying English on random girls if you are shy and retiring like me!
(3) Metro trains: In my experience, girls are not amenable to being chatted up by some guy raving on in a foreign language. They lose face in front of the many other passengers. Very unlikely to meet an English speaking girl (long distance, or HK trains are a different matter though and the stewardesses on long distance trains are usually attractive and a definite possibility).
(4) Waitresses in restaurants: They are usually the least educated and least likely to speak English and are usually too busy to attempt to chat with foreigners.
(5) Don't just smile or stare lecherously at every girl in the street (these guys remind me of some of the low-lifes that inhabit the Ayala Mall in Cebu).
(6) Don't approach well-dressed and made-up girls in streets near Sauna and KTV areas: Although you might have your tongue hanging out, they are probably going to work (at those places) and will have absolutely no interest in you on the street.
(7) Don't go with a girl or girls to a coffee place, cafe or restaurant that she suggests. Never! There have been many warnings about these types of scams.
(8) Don't try to hold hands with her. This level of intimacy makes unsophisticated South China girls very uncomfortable.
HOWEVER, if you can speak basic conversational Chinese then your opportunities increase dramatically. It is so much easier to develop a mutual smile into something meaningful, even on the street. If you sense that there is interest, open a polite conversation. Don't frighten them by immediately using a language translator. Talk to them, compliment them, comment on the weather, ask a question. You can use Jibbigo or Google T to assist communications later, when you are sitting down together (sit on the same side of the table to share translations on your phone).
If you can speak a little Chinese then try some local tourist places like Windows of the World or even Shenzhen Museum. Girls are generally quite friendly and approachable in these places. They are not rushed and have time to chat.
Opportunities can now also include those neglected married ladies that BnLee2 used to post about (maybe not quite his stratospheric level). I have met a few married ladies on weekdays in the better class shopping malls, and in particular, supermarkets such as Carrefour. A bit of a smile and if returned (even if ever so slightly) is a good chance to break the ice by asking about merchandise. For example, you can ask about quality, or ask where to buy a certain item. I have even had a married lady take me to a different shop that had products I wanted. Events happily progressed from there.
Lastly, one type of place where I have had surprising success (if you can converse in basic Chinese) , is at Shenzhen and ShenzhenBei railway stations. Many travellers have time to kill, or need to find out how to travel to their local destination and will sit in Maccas etc. Maybe this is their first trip to SZ! They are often open to meeting an interesting laowei. My favourite place is the Maccas on the upper level walkway of the Luohu (Shenzhen) station closer to the Shangri-La. It is rarely crowded, girls will stay there for lengthy periods and I am inevitably the only laowei present.
If all else fails, take a trip to HK (read the HK forum first). Shatin is less than 20 minutes from Luohu or Futian, and there are usually plentiful, friendly Filipinas in New Town Plaza, even on weekdays.
This is just my experience in Shenzhen, but much of it applies elsewhere. Hope this will prove useful to some members.
Tips to meet freebies in Shenzhen if you don't speak Chinese.
This is probably an opportune time, with the current dearth of P4P, to document my approach to meet freebies. I have long been a freebie fan rather than a P4P guy (I enjoy the challenge of the hunt). My experiences have mainly been in Shenzhen, which I appreciate can be a bit different to the northern Tier 1 cities.
If all else fails, take a trip to HK (read the HK forum first). Shatin is less than 20 minutes from Luohu or Futian, and there are usually plentiful, friendly Filipinas in New Town Plaza, even on weekdays.
This is just my experience in Shenzhen, but much of it applies elsewhere. Hope this will prove useful to some members.Ikksman: you are a genius. All the bruvvers should be in your debt! Bruvvers: follow his advice. .
I look forward to reading the China volumes of your autobiography!
Enjoy and report.
P13.
Currently in barren Zhejiang.
Ikksman: you are a genius. All the bruvvers should be in your debt! Bruvvers: follow his advice. .
I look forward to reading the China volumes of your autobiography!
Enjoy and report.
P13.
Currently in barren Zhejiang.Thanks Push!
Actually there is one other method that I forgot. I used it some years ago and found a delightful married girl to whom I gave in-country and in-bed lessons . But it was a bit tedious weeding out the no-goes.
There are websites that hook-up people wanting to learn foreign language by meeting / email / chat. The one I used was mylanguageexchange. Com (may still exist).
I remember when I used it there were more than 10 recent pages of Chinese in Shenzhen wanting to practise English. 90% were female and some included hints that they were interested in more than just language practice. Not really my thing, but a quick way to meet girls who can speak some English.
Erasmus B Dragin
04-29-14, 03:54
mr split:
the fluid is not [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). it's clear, tasteless or has a slightly sweet flavor and is produced by small glands that are just inside the vagina, next to the urethra, called paraurethra or skene's glands. they produce a liquid that is chemically similar to male prostatic fluid (ie semen without the sperm). the location and morphology of these glands varies widely among females, hence the variability in incidence and characteristics of what has come to be called "squirting".
i've met 2 squirters in china. there was a girl i met online that shot a stream out as she came, a true squirter. the other would more appropriately be labeled a "gusher". she's older, now late 30's, but an ex-model, slim and tall, still very attractive. she's no longer living nearby but we usually meet when she returns home. she produces just an incredible amount of fluid; have to use a plastic sheet and a few towels for her.
i have met a chinese squirter in beijing on on lt stay there with one of those expensive call outs. she was doing it quite a bit, was going all over my shoulders and some around my face while we were in 69. i still am not sure if she was faking this as she was squeezing her sphincter muscles when it happened. the thing i'm still not sure of even this day is if that shit is really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). my sign. othr can squirt as well (by herself) when she wants to, yet she says it's not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). but both women it has the slight smell of [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and it's runs like [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) too.
Tiradentes
04-29-14, 04:42
The only problem with Chinese women is that after half an hour of I having sex with them, I am hungry again ).
Tips to meet freebies in Shenzhen if you don't speak Chinese.
This is probably an opportune time, with the current dearth of P4P, to document my approach to meet freebies. I have long been a freebie fan rather than a P4P guy (I enjoy the challenge of the hunt). My experiences have mainly been in Shenzhen, which I appreciate can be a bit different to the northern Tier 1 cities.
<Awesome do's and don'ts list snipped for purposes of brevity>
If all else fails, take a trip to HK (read the HK forum first). Shatin is less than 20 minutes from Luohu or Futian, and there are usually plentiful, friendly Filipinas in New Town Plaza, even on weekdays.
This is just my experience in Shenzhen, but much of it applies elsewhere. Hope this will prove useful to some members.Thank you Ikksman for the quite insightful and comprehensive content, as well as the cultural and common-sense reminders / info / notes, all of which IMO has usefulness and applicability beyond SZ in other Chinese-speaking places, including Taiwan.
Wow! Thanks Ikksman. A real helpful post. But I went to Bookcity and could not find any English book section, just the English teaching books section. But I did manage to chat a girl there and got Wechat ID.There are a number of areas where there are English language books (and English speaking girls). Keep looking!
There is another smaller bookshop in the Bookcity complex that stocks a large range of English books. From the main Bookcity shop, head south and go up the escalators beside the story-telling forum, crossing over Fuzhong 1 Lu. Go back down to the bottom level again and there is another bookstore (very narrow aisles) that stocks quite a lot of foreign language books. Can't remember the name.
Cheers
Over a period of 2 1/2 years I came to know a family that came from a small village, about one hour from Changsha, whose family members gradually migrated to the big cities for work. They had 3 daughters before they finally had a son. I am not sure how they achieved it as the penalties for the 3rd and 4th babies would normally be financially crippling.
I never met the son. He was at a university in Changsha. I also never met the father (unemployed). The mother was 47 and quite attractive for her age, considering 4 babies!
The oldest daughter was 25, a university engineering graduate, who was unsuccessful in getting a job, and taught English in Beijing. I banged her on occasions when I had trips to Beijing. Was it true love? Of course not, but she thought I could help her get an engineering job in Shenzhen. And, she was certainly no starfish!
The other 2 daughters, who both worked in Shenzhen, had very limited education; one was beautiful, the other plain.
The mother came to Shenzhen and was my housekeeper (part-time) for about one year. This was arranged by the youngest daughter.
Believe it or not, but one evening when she was cooking, she deliberately started, almost surreptitiously, rubbing her backside against my xiao didi (when I was looking over her shoulder)! All she said was 'Don't tell my daughter'. She knew little about sex, other than the wham, bang, thank you ma'am type. And, unfortunately, my efforts to educate her were largely unsuccessful. But she was enthusiastic. I often used to work from my apartment office, so if I felt a bit horny I always had a willing playmate.
One evening, the youngest daughter introduced me to her mother's younger sister (in front of the mother). She was married, lived in Changsha, apparently middle class, and was obviously looking for a bit of romance. We then communicated by email, and I helped her ease her romantic itch during her 3 week visit to Shenzhen. After she returned she used to text me saying she would love to repeat the episodes. Apparently her husband totally neglected her.
Finally, the youngest daughter (an ex-gf described her as a classical Han beauty). She was 21 when I met her. She worked at various agencies selling / renting apartments (that is how I met her) ; each position rarely lasted longer than the 3 month probationary period (after which salary was largely commission only). During the 2 1/2 year period, she asked me for surprising amounts of money:
O 40, 000rmb to repair the family home that had been damaged by typhoon / rains.
O university fees for her brother (I forget how much) and a laptop (he was doing IT)
O 10, 000rmb to enable her to start a business selling beauty products.
O 8, 500rmb for car driving lessons, and help to buy a car.
O 300, 000rmb to replace agency moneys that had been stolen from her (incredible story that any young Pinay would have been proud of)
O to buy an apartment in Shenzhen for the family (and then I could have her forever!).
I never gave her any of these moneys, however, I was generous to her and her mother in other ways. And, although I banged 3 other family members, I was never successful with this sexy young girl! She was only willing to give herself at a high price (to help the family?).
Typical or atypical traditional family? Actually, I think they were a fairly typical rural family trying to make the most of limited opportunities!
Over a period of 2 1/2 years I came to know a family that came from a small village, about one hour from Changsha, whose family members gradually migrated to the big cities for work. They had 3 daughters before they finally had a son. I am not sure how they achieved it as the penalties for the 3rd and 4th babies would normally be financially crippling.
Typical or atypical traditional family? Actually, I think they were a fairly typical rural family trying to make the most of limited opportunities!Probably typical with the development of capitalism in China in the part 40 years.
Some of the requests that have come my way:
20, 000 RMB to help start a new foot massage business (from an attractive foot lady, who warmly responded to my invitation for some after-hours fun). And what would be the collateral?"Not important!" hahaha.
10, 000 RMB for medicine for her sick Changsha daughter (from a delicious SW I met in an unnamed city, with whom I clicked! But the click also switched on the money demands!)
4, 000RMB each month for a massage lady to tell me all her "fuck secrets" each day at her spa.
5, 000RMB to buy a new phone for my Shenzhen princess, whom I first met in a rub and tug place in Hong Kong.
10, 000RMB to help with her Shenzhen apartment renovations.
10, 000RMB to help with her SiChuan parents' medical bills.
Any amount of money to help an on-line Hubei Princess with medical bills from her father's then-recent demise (veracity not doubted). Because of the kindness in my face and heart, and her UNBELIEVABLE beauty I drip feed her.
Of all the above, I made a downpayment for the first two weeks. 2000 for daily secrets, but after a couple of days the information flow dried up. I was happy to make the payment because there were some genuine (I believe genuine) medical problems at home. And the Hubei drip feed continues! (smile)
You live and learn.
Enjoy and report.
P13.
Probably typical with the development of capitalism in China in the part 40 years. [S N I P] Of all the above, I made a downpayment for the first two weeks. 2000 for daily secrets, but after a couple of days the information flow dried up. I was happy to make the payment because there were some genuine (I believe genuine) medical problems at home. And the Hubei drip feed continues! (smile)
[ S N I P]Haha! I believe that in many circumstances, we should assist those less fortunate than ourselves!
But the only request that I have ever been really tempted by was from a very beautiful young factory girl in Bantian, who only earned about 2, 300 per month, and lived in a dormitory of 6 bunks to the room, and only 2 toilets on each floor of the building. She offered to live with me and cook, wash etc for 8, 000 per month. In this way she could help her parents back home. She had a cute way of pointing at both of us and then resting her head on her hands to indicate sleep. Tempting, but I refused, although I did help her financially a bit, as I knew that her parents were in genuine financial difficulties.
Very different from the PI, where the lovely lasses try every trick in the book (sick Carabao, baby needs milk powder etc) just to improve their spending power. The Chinese SWTs tend to be more genuine!
But Freebies are always more expensive than straight WG arrangements! And I never seem to learn my lesson!
Cheers
Just some comments on how a long term with a WG has worked out!
I met this girl when she was 25 years old (actually 28) and have seen her about 4 times per year for the last 3 or 4 years (how time flies when you are having fun). When we first met and for the subsequent first year or so, she was sexy, loving, and almost nothing off limits. When she would come to see me in the hotel (without the KTV involved) she would dress nicely, good make up, etc. The passion was there for a good night of sex. Gradually the passion has worn off and now when she comes straight to the hotel she usually is in street clothes and without makeup etc. In other words, very causal. In other words, she is acting more like a Tie Tie (wife) than a WG. The sex is still good, but the passion is dimmed. Now I have to admit that I have been somewhat unlucky in my timing of my my visits and red has been visiting one the last three trips.
I have given her a bit of money for the normal WG problems, but I consider this just payment for services so it is not a big deal and probably doesn't amount to more than payments for services anyway in the long run.
Some of the things that have changed:
She used to kiss DiDi goodby in the AM upon leaving.
She does not fix herself up the way she used to when she makes a visit to the room without the KTV involved.
She tries to go to sleep without multiple romps.
She will leave without morning sex.
She has stopped DFK as she says she doesn't like it. (All else is OK, DATY, CIM, COB, etc).
In other words, the sexual portion of the relationship has cooled but the emotional part has increased (at least that is what she tells me).
Now, is what I am experiencing a normal development or has any other Bros had a similar experience? I would like to continue the relationship but would like to relight the fire. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Of course I can cut it off and start another and do have backups to draw upon so it is not the end of the world if I just cut the string. Mrclen.
StinkyFeet
05-14-14, 16:33
Just some comments on how a long term with a WG has worked out!
I met this girl when she was 25 years old (actually 28) and have seen her about 4 times per year for the last 3 or 4 years (how time flies when you are having fun). When we first met and for the subsequent first year or so, she was sexy, loving, and almost nothing off limits. When she would come to see me in the hotel (without the KTV involved) she would dress nicely, good make up, etc. The passion was there for a good night of sex. Gradually the passion has worn off and now when she comes straight to the hotel she usually is in street clothes and without makeup etc. In other words, very causal. In other words, she is acting more like a Tie Tie (wife) than a WG. The sex is still good, but the passion is dimmed. Now I have to admit that I have been somewhat unlucky in my timing of my my visits and red has been visiting one the last three trips.
I have given her a bit of money for the normal WG problems, but I consider this just payment for services so it is not a big deal and probably doesn't amount to more than payments for services anyway in the long run.
Some of the things that have changed:
She used to kiss DiDi goodby in the AM upon leaving.
She does not fix herself up the way she used to when she makes a visit to the room without the KTV involved.
She tries to go to sleep without multiple romps.
She will leave without morning sex.
She has stopped DFK as she says she doesn't like it. (All else is OK, DATY, CIM, COB, etc).
In other words, the sexual portion of the relationship has cooled but the emotional part has increased (at least that is what she tells me).
Now, is what I am experiencing a normal development or has any other Bros had a similar experience? I would like to continue the relationship but would like to relight the fire. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Of course I can cut it off and start another and do have backups to draw upon so it is not the end of the world if I just cut the string. Mrclen.Old WG are not fun. Unless she is something really special (white tiger, model type stunner, intellectual, university grad nuclear rocket astro physics major) than I would quietly find another younger, fresher girl and slowly cut her off.
Now, is what I am experiencing a normal developmentYes. With ALL women. WG or not.
Keep your relationships as relationships and your WGs as WGs. In the end you will find both to be more genuine and enriching.
Of course I can cut it off and start another and do have backups to draw upon so it is not the end of the world if I just cut the string. Mrclen.I would, there's too many out there!
IMHO, of course!
Mmlouie.
Midwestern
05-25-14, 09:53
Pros, cons? I have a regular outcall girl. Thinking about buying her a cheap present. My friend thinks she'll start scamming me since she might think I'm in love with her or something. I'm not. Just want to be nice, and hope to continue getting good service from her. What do you brothers think?
Pros, cons? I have a regular outcall girl. Thinking about buying her a cheap present. My friend thinks she'll start scamming me since she might think I'm in love with her or something. I'm not. Just want to be nice, and hope to continue getting good service from her. What do you brothers think?What do you mean by cheap?
A basket of fruit, up to 200 rmb.
A nice dress or jacket, anywhere from 300 up to 5000, means being taken to the mall, totally useless you choosing!
Handbag, again, anywhere from 250 up to 12000, again no use you trying to choose it.
Main first expensive present, a platinum chain and hanger, from 7000 up to 12000.
Second expensive present, platinum or gold bracelet, 9000 and up. (Beware many jewellers offer 50% discount on the tagged prices, the girl may try to pocket the discount!
Perfume, up to 1000 rmb.
Make up, facial whatever, normally sold in gift packages, 2500 up to 8000 rmb.
Been through them all, then start again, by now she is probably your freebie!
Fz.
Beijing4987
05-25-14, 15:09
What is surprising here is that she has not asked for it already. Every gal I have encountered has tried and gotten presents from. Cosmetics, electric scooter, cell phone. I asked one to spend the night where before she left quickly after I came. She asked for more in order to buy pearls. Yeah, I'm a sucker. But I'm crazy about Chinese gals. They have tried the sick mother routine and have taken me to the gold store looking at 10,000 rmb necklaces. They know how much I will spend before saying "mei you".
]What do you mean by cheap?
A basket of fruit, up to 200 rmb.
A nice dress or jacket, anywhere from 300 up to 5000, means being taken to the mall, totally useless you choosing!
Handbag, again, anywhere from 250 up to 12000, again no use you trying to choose it.
Main first expensive present, a platinum chain and hanger, from 7000 up to 12000.
Second expensive present, platinum or gold bracelet, 9000 and up. (Beware many jewellers offer 50% discount on the tagged prices, the girl may try to pocket the discount!
Perfume, up to 1000 rmb.
Make up, facial whatever, normally sold in gift packages, 2500 up to 8000 rmb.
Been through them all, then start again, by now she is probably your freebie!
Fz.
Midwestern
05-25-14, 15:33
I bought a 180 rmb bracelet. Will she start scamming me? I'm an old dood, so always worried that I'll be taken advantage of.
Nice Guy 99
05-25-14, 17:10
Pros, cons? I have a regular outcall girl. Thinking about buying her a cheap present. My friend thinks she'll start scamming me since she might think I'm in love with her or something. I'm not. Just want to be nice, and hope to continue getting good service from her. What do you brothers think?It depends on what kind of a relationship you are cultivating. If it's purely business a gift doesn't do much for you. If you relate to the girl as a person, have conversations, know a bit about each others lives ... then it is a very appropriate thing to do. I have a Chinese regular in the UAE that I have that kind of relationship with. I recently bought her a purse for the equivalent of 3,750 RMB. She was very happy and it also made me feel quite good. I pay her well below market and a lot of times she just comes over and hangs when she has nothing to do. If you consider this girl a friend and think that she may feel the same way then by all means buy a gift. Always remember that WGs are people ... if you can break through the defensive shell many of them have then it can be a much more rewarding experience for both parties.
I bought a 180 rmb bracelet. Will she start scamming me? I'm an old dood, so always worried that I'll be taken advantage of.Gifts work! Just consider it a deposit on future encounters. If it gets to be too much (yes they will try all the other scams), just say no and move on. I look at it this way--if I spend 2000 RMB on "gifts" and get three free nights of pussy, then I break about even and we both feel good, she got the gifts, I got the pussy! Mrclen.
So, I don't know how Freebie Fan does it, but by looking at his posts, he gets like 3 chicks a week, plus posts about 30 posts it ISG's various threads and I guess has a day job? Some of his posts clearly involve alcohol, but I guess other than that, he has just the most enormous set of balls ever bestowed on a man. As for me have never had a freebie that doesn't require several coffees, several dates,it's like a full time job. And if you want to get 1 chick to even meet for coffee you have to approach probably 10-15 before you get a hit. This chick last night, took her to a movie, she wouldn't come home with me until we literally had a High-school drama like conversation about "Do you like me" crap. Holy s* I agree with whomever posted that freebies aren't really free. I will gladly go back to just the straight up value proposition. My time is just too valuable. Not attacking Freebie Fan or questioning how he does it more just looking for sympathy. I mean a define the relationship talk? Are we 14?
So, I don't know how Freebie Fan does it, but by looking at his posts, he gets like 3 chicks a week, plus posts about 30 posts it ISG's various threads and I guess has a day job? Some of his posts clearly involve alcohol, but I guess other than that, he has just the most enormous set of balls ever bestowed on a man. As for me have never had a freebie that doesn't require several coffees, several dates,it's like a full time job. And if you want to get 1 chick to even meet for coffee you have to approach probably 10-15 before you get a hit. This chick last night, took her to a movie, she wouldn't come home with me until we literally had a High-school drama like conversation about "Do you like me" crap. Holy s* I agree with whomever posted that freebies aren't really free. I will gladly go back to just the straight up value proposition. My time is just too valuable. Not attacking Freebie Fan or questioning how he does it more just looking for sympathy. I mean a define the relationship talk? Are we 14?JF,
You are way too anxious. Being too anxious will get you little. Yes there are freebies that will cost you nothing, you may even receive more than what you give. My time is also valuable too. I do have a day job and am quite busy. And yes, I do get my share of Freebies. You sound like a young. Try to be a bit more calm, cool and collective (my 3 see's in life).
FreebieFan
05-29-14, 05:21
So, I don't know how Freebie Fan does it, but by looking at his posts, he gets like 3 chicks a week, plus posts about 30 posts it ISG's various threads and I guess has a day job? Some of his posts clearly involve alcohol, but I guess other than that, he has just the most enormous set of balls ever bestowed on a man. As for me have never had a freebie that doesn't require several coffees, several dates,it's like a full time job. And if you want to get 1 chick to even meet for coffee you have to approach probably 10-15 before you get a hit. This chick last night, took her to a movie, she wouldn't come home with me until we literally had a High-school drama like conversation about "Do you like me" crap. Holy s* I agree with whomever posted that freebies aren't really free. I will gladly go back to just the straight up value proposition. My time is just too valuable. Not attacking Freebie Fan or questioning how he does it more just looking for sympathy. I mean a define the relationship talk? Are we 14?I have a good full time job, that has peaks and troughs in application time, therefor sometimes have time to post and sometimes not.
Having showered recently I'd say I have average sized balls LOL.
I've been doing the free thing a lot, for many years in a few countries and seem to have figured out the type of girls I like and how to do it.
The current roster is Miss 33, Miss 22, Miss 24 all Chinese and Miss 32 whose an African student, and hopefully Miss 21 , a new African student will be added. Some days I like to be alone, but other days I don't.
I'm not successful with everyone for normal male / female reasons, but I make sure that I come across as a clean cut, decent, gentleman and that the girl can enjoy her time with me. I make sure theres generally no trace of the previous nights occupant in my bed or bathroom and treat the girls with a lot of respect. I'm never late, and when I'm with one girl, will only send texts or messages to another when I have trips to bathroom.
I think I do well because I come across as a normal guy who has some experience with women.
They all know I'm happily separated so no danger of a marriage hunter clinging on.
I have some girls who have been to my apartment and I haven't touched them as there was no indication it was warranted.
I would say I have some sort of relationship with all my ladies, just different from one to the other that's all. After all an evening with no talk only bonking would be boring. So with some e cook, or watch movies or play pc games or walk.. Etcetc. And I've never given anyone of them one cent, except time, and some shared meals.
I'm not really young and anxious (40's, fluent in Chinese), but I also confess, that based on Freebie's posts, I had the impression that he had more than a small roster. I had the impression that he rolled into Maan's Coffee, and rolled out with two chicks under each arm.
I too have had freebies but they have all ended with me changing my phone number to escape. Maybe I'm just too good of a catch.
YoungTriarii
06-02-14, 04:32
Do you know a good bleach for my skin? I am a Black man with yellow fever, and I have no intention of being celibate or settling for chicks I don't want.
Do you know a good bleach for my skin? I am a Black man with yellow fever, and I have no intention of being celibate or settling for chicks I don't want. Do not worry about buying some bleach, if you are well behaived, a gentleman and have a good personality you should be ok.
I know of a few afro-americans in Beijing who have Chinese girlfriends, live in partners and better luck than most with the ladies.
Teltel.
A few months ago, I met a 28 yo photographic model. I wrote about this encounter in the SZ forum: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?946-South-China-Shenzhen&p=1564874&viewfull=1#post1564874 .
Whilst I was overseas recently, I spent time on WeChat with her. We arranged to meet last night for dinner. It was a great evening that culminated in her spending much of the night in my apartment.
We chatted a lot about life, and the fact that she was becoming a "left over" woman. She wanted to get married to a Chinese guy that would agree to help support her parents in their old age. Love was not important.
And her opinion of laowai? Mostly nice guys, but ignorant of Chinese culture and customs, and thus she could not develop relationships with them!
One thing she said that I had not heard before was that that her friends all agreed the most important physical attribute of men's xiǎo dì di was for it to be stiff, strong and erect. Non-vertical dicks that could not support 4 wet towels, did not turn them on (my words, not hers)!
I'm not successful with everyone for normal male / female reasons, but I make sure that I come across as a clean cut, decent, gentleman and that the girl can enjoy her time with me. I make sure theres generally no trace of the previous nights occupant in my bed or bathroom and treat the girls with a lot of respect. I'm never late, and when I'm with one girl, will only send texts or messages to another when I have trips to bathroom.This is the post reminds my experiences that m having in these days. But not in China, these are in Thailand. The similarity inspired me to telling here an experience in short. It is necessary to tell about me that, m not a fan of P4P services unless it is a bared night. I used to be meet with the girls introduced by different sources including the dating sites too. If some one not ready to mark these GF type experience as free bees, I have no comments. Because m ready to spend money as in need for fun and pleasure. Any one will agree that spending money for right things is a satisfying event too. Spending time a little or more for the girls is a best sport for me. In event of dating sites sometimes it makes disappointment but all in all it's a great fun.
For my girls m confirming here that I never repeat the same room for different girls. So no need to make extra care for clean the trace of previous nights. I just change my hotel and after that if the things going to ends, if no chances to repeat with her again, I just through the sim I used for her. So I use new sim every time for new girls. I invite the girl to my apartment if I have planned to keep her for long time.
Sometimes I get overlapped too; once I was with a girl and in 4. 00 am I get sms from another girl arriving BKK from another city and need to pick up her from the rail station. It was not problem at all for me to leave the girl stayed with me in night in the room, since the girl can check out whenever she want before 12.00 pm. The problem started in the new hotel room when the new girl entered in wash room. Because I was so hurry to pick her from the rail station and forget to check the new room (generally I don't need too). While after using the wash room the girl came out with her heavy face, and claimed I was with another girl in this room. It was true but certainly not in this room. I checked the wash room and found a used condom on the floor and certainly by the previous user of the room. Quickly I called the room service and what the hack the lady can not talk Thai, she came from Burma and newly joined in this hotel.
Yes my new girl did not accept my explanation, and left over me, since we had just only one sex.
In saunas in Guangzhou, the masseuses are so well-practiced in their craft that they can almost send you over the brink of orgasm just by glazing their fingernails over your testicles, perineum, and penis. None of the Chinese women can do that and I don't know of any American women that can do that either.Silly me, I thought Guangzhou was in China! In Shanghai the trick is not to go over the brink, but to be kept on the brink for as long as possible!
Silly me, I thought Guangzhou was in China! In Shanghai the trick is not to go over the brink, but to be kept on the brink for as long as possible!Perhaps he meant to write "None of the Indian women can do that and I don't know of any American women that can do that either", as he has many posts in the Indian forums.
Ikks.
Fast Eddie 48
12-24-14, 00:05
Silly me, I thought Guangzhou was in China! In Shanghai the trick is not to go over the brink, but to be kept on the brink for as long as possible!To F.
You don't even know where the hell Danshui is it and you start a Huizhou forum some NAIVE newbie just don't get it.
Fast eddie 48.
YoungTriarii
01-01-15, 22:01
Freebies abound just as long as you're not black. Same all over Asia really.
Big Ass Eater
01-02-15, 01:21
A few months ago, I met a 28 yo photographic model. I wrote about this encounter in the SZ forum: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?946-South-China-Shenzhen&p=1564874&viewfull=1#post1564874 .
Whilst I was overseas recently, I spent time on WeChat with her. We arranged to meet last night for dinner. It was a great evening that culminated in her spending much of the night in my apartment.
We chatted a lot about life, and the fact that she was becoming a "left over" woman. She wanted to get married to a Chinese guy that would agree to help support her parents in their old age. Love was not important.
And her opinion of laowai? Mostly nice guys, but ignorant of Chinese culture and customs, and thus she could not develop relationships with them!
One thing she said that I had not heard before was that that her friends all agreed the most important physical attribute of men's xiǎo d di was for it to be stiff, strong and erect. Non-vertical dicks that could not support 4 wet towels, did not turn them on (my words, not hers)!One thing I can't stand about Chinese women is their obsession with culture, and especially their own Chinese culture. They are unable to choose for themselves the kind of life they wish to live. Many are curious about foreigners but at the same time look down on foreign culture and habits.
I got the impression that most middle-aged women were extremely unhappy and unstimulated. Most Chinese husbands don't give a damn about their wives after a few years and they live miserably. Chinese men often resort to drinking as well.
Surely many Chinese have mental issues.
One thing I can't stand about Chinese women is their obsession with culture, and especially their own Chinese culture. They are unable to choose for themselves the kind of life they wish to live. Many are curious about foreigners but at the same time look down on foreign culture and habits.
I got the impression that most middle-aged women were extremely unhappy and unstimulated. Most Chinese husbands don't give a damn about their wives after a few years and they live miserably. Chinese men often resort to drinking as well.
Surely many Chinese have mental issues.Reading your post here, and your post history, I can tell you have a deep and profound understanding of China and China culture, so I recommend everyone here to listen to what Mr. Big Ass has to say. Of course! Many Chinese have mental issues! I encourage everyone to go back and read his posts. For example, back in June, he informed us that expats go to Sanlitun on the weekends, and that's where Chinese girls go to meet up with their foreign guys. Useful!
Crikey.
Reading your post here, and your post history, I can tell you have a deep and profound understanding of China and China culture, so I recommend everyone here to listen to what Mr. Big Ass has to say. Of course! Many Chinese have mental issues! I encourage everyone to go back and read his posts. For example, back in June, he informed us that expats go to Sanlitun on the weekends, and that's where Chinese girls go to meet up with their foreign guys. Useful!
Crikey.I fully agree. After reading BigAssEater's posts, I have come to appreciate that he has the deepest and most profound understanding of China and Chinese culture of any ISG poster. Truly amazing!
Ikksman
"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"
Big Ass Eater
01-02-15, 09:52
Another aspect of Chinese culture (or mentality) is that they take offense for nothing. The Chinese always claim foreigners don't understand Chinese culture. In my view Chinese culture isn't that complex or hard to understand. One just have to experience the country for a while and learn how the Chinese think and act.
Yes, anyone can go back and read my previous posts. I don't understand Lao Ma's remark about my describing that Chinese women / girls meet foreigners at Sanlitun. Many Chinese still think it's inappropriate for Chinese women to be out late at night and specially meet foreigners. The few women, however, who aren't restricted by such a conservative mindset go to places where they can meet foreigners. And Sanlitun is such a place. But this is a minority of course. Most Chinese women take pride in being "traditional".
Another aspect of Chinese culture (or mentality) is that they take offense for nothing. The Chinese always claim foreigners don't understand Chinese culture. In my view Chinese culture isn't that complex or hard to understand. One just have to experience the country for a while and learn how the Chinese think and act.
Yes, anyone can go back and read my previous posts. I don't understand Lao Ma's remark about my describing that Chinese women / girls meet foreigners at Sanlitun. Many Chinese still think it's inappropriate for Chinese women to be out late at night and specially meet foreigners. The few women, however, who aren't restricted by such a conservative mindset go to places where they can meet foreigners. And Sanlitun is such a place. But this is a minority of course. Most Chinese women take pride in being "traditional".This mainly because China was a closed society before and old timers do not approve young girls seen with foreigners other than ethnic Chinese.
This reminds of when I lived in Shenzhen. I had a very pretty GF from Hubei who was 18 years old. We would go everywhere together and even kiss and hold hands in public. She would tell me about the comments other Chinese were making within our earshot. I asked her saying if it bothered her maybe we should be more discrete but she said she does not care. Many a time she told the people who were making comments in a threatening way " Why are you making comments about me and my husband " ? This usually shuts them up.
In spit of world modernization and people intermarrying all ethicities still there are people stuck in their old ways. Better ignore completely and go about your business.
Freebies abound just as long as you're not black. Same all over Asia really.Calling bullshit on this. I'm African-American and I've dated Asian women from from China, Thailand and several other countries as you say. If you think ALL Asian women only date either their own kind and white guys, your sadly mistaken, then again you may be trolling for all I know.
Entertaining video on the differences between Northern and Southern girls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbiIu_EzuWk
Ikks.
I love white tigers (although I would never ask a Chinese girl from a rural area to shave).
I am not sure whether or not this has been discussed before, but why are there so many natural white tigers in China (and to a lesser degree in Vietnam) compared to other countries?
Maybe it is just my luck to have met a fair number in China? I have never encountered a Japanese, Filipina or Indo natural white tiger.
Are there Caucasian natural white tigers (an area where I admit I have quite limited experience compared to Asians)?
Ikks.
Radical Guy
01-15-15, 02:58
Calling bullshit on this. I'm African-American and I've dated Asian women from from China, Thailand and several other countries as you say. If you think ALL Asian women only date either their own kind and white guys, your sadly mistaken, then again you may be trolling for all I know.Well, I've noticed that quite a few Asian women believe the myth that all black men, and to a lesser degree, white men have huge penises, and they are afraid that it won't fit in a their tiny pussies. Maybe you've heard this same misconception before. Of course, once they are educated, then no problem. LOL.
RG.
SE Asia Joe
01-15-15, 08:02
I love white tigers (although I would never ask a Chinese girl from a rural area to shave).
I am not sure whether or not this has been discussed before, but why are there so many natural white tigers in China (and to a lesser degree in Vietnam) compared to other countries?
Maybe it is just my luck to have met a fair number in China? I have never encountered a Japanese, Filipina or Indo natural white tiger.
Are there Caucasian natural white tigers (an area where I admit I have quite limited experience compared to Asians)?
IkksNothing much more to offer to explain the preponderance of natural white tigers in China, except the fact that as a race Orientals are just less hirsute, plain and simple!
But did you know that amongst the older Chinese mongers, there is belief that doing White Tigers will bring on 7 years of bad luck? Thus explaining why there is less nookie shaving (thank goodness!) amongst Chinese girls.
SEAJ
Well, I've noticed that quite a few Asian women believe the myth that all black men, and to a lesser degree, white men have huge penises, and they are afraid that it won't fit in a their tiny pussies. Maybe you've heard this same misconception before. Of course, once they are educated, then no problem. LOL. RG.Additionally, girls from Southern China (there are considerable numbers of African blacks in Guangzhou) have told me, that blacks are cheats and often involved with drugs.
Ikks.
Nothing much more to offer to explain the preponderance of natural white tigers in China, except the fact that as a race Orientals are just less hirsute, plain and simple!
But did you know that amongst the older Chinese mongers, there is belief that doing White Tigers will bring on 7 years of bad luck? Thus explaining why there is less nookie shaving (thank goodness!) amongst Chinese girls.
SEAJThanks SEAJ, I knew that sleeping with a white tiger was bad luck, but did not know it was believed to be 7 years bad luck. Lucky I am not superstitious (cross my fingers and touch wood).
The following is an extract from a recent post of mine on the HK Forum that expands on the topic of white tigers:
"Traditionally, a girl with no pubic hair was considered to be probably infertile. She was thus considered to be bad luck as the family lineage was (and is) so important to Chinese. Later, the superstition became broader to include that guys would have bad luck if they slept with girls without pubes.
"The rare white tiger is related to the symbol of jinx in China history, and in Feng shui a white tiger picture or statue can cause extreme bad luck if ill-positioned. If you follow Chinese astrology you will know that 2010 was a white tiger year (metal = white) and was considered, by many traditionalists, a very unlucky year (the mainly wooden tiger would fight with the metal element).
"Thus, girls without pubic hair became known as 'white tigers' - ie bad luck!
"Interestingly, many types of pubic hair carry traditional meanings:
• no pubes - - may be infertile
• abundant pubes - - sensuous and passionate
• black pubes - - strong and passionate
• brown, gold tints - - easy and generous
• fine, silky - - quiet and retiring
• upward growth - - sign of beauty.
"Chinese are still very superstitious and many girls still wear the red string around their waist every 6 years (good way to check a Chinese girl's age). But, fairly naturally, these superstitions are dying out, particularly in the cities, however most PRC WGs come from rural areas."
Note that I wrote every 6 years for the red string. Some girls only wear every 12 years, but traditionally it is every 6 years, as it includes the year opposite their běn mìng nián (本命年 destiny year). I wrote about this roughly a year ago:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1627-China-Women-Opinions-and-Advice&p=1548888&viewfull=1#post1548888
I find the difference between culture and superstition interesting. Some superstitions die out, some grow, and yet others become part of Chinese culture. And many traditions are part culture and part superstition.
So, is the "white tiger" 100% traditional culture or 100% superstition, or a mixture of both?
Chinese culture is not easy to understand. And cultural traditions and superstitions can vary from area to area within China, particularly where there are ethnic divides. Western scholars of Chinese culture study for years and state that their knowledge is never complete, and that they do not understand many aspects of Chinese culture.
Therefore, when posters claim that Chinese culture is easy to understand and they know it all, I take this with the proverbial grain of salt.
Ikksman.
SE Asia Joe
01-16-15, 15:44
Thanks SEAJ, I knew that sleeping with a white tiger was bad luck, but ......
"Interestingly, many types of pubic hair carry traditional meanings:
no pubes - - may be infertile
abundant pubes - - sensuous and passionate
black pubes - - strong and passionate
brown, gold tints - - easy and generous
fine, silky - - quiet and retiring
upward growth - - sign of beauty.
I find the difference between culture and superstition interesting. Some superstitions die out, some grow, and yet others become part of Chinese culture. And many traditions are part culture and part superstition.....Chinese culture is not easy to understand. And cultural traditions and superstitions can vary from area to area within China, particularly where there are ethnic divides. Western scholars of Chinese culture study for years and state that their knowledge is never complete, and that they do not understand many aspects of Chinese culture.
Ikksman.Interesting, and a revelation to me personally.
I just now figured that to the Chinese, things like you write about are just matter of fact and something that somehow is like common knowledge; but to foreigners like you, you not only study and search out these things, I detect a certain amount of fascination too.
Mind you though, I've not heard prior on what you wrote about types of pubic hairs!
Learn something new every day! LOL.
SEAJ
So send them my way and I'll test the theory and report back in 2022 how it went.
Interesting, and a revelation to me personally.
I just now figured that to the Chinese, things like you write about are just matter of fact and something that somehow is like common knowledge; but to foreigners like you, you not only study and search out these things, I detect a certain amount of fascination too. {S N I P}
SEAJI have always been interested in the cultures of people, and in particular, traditions relating to sexual matters. Perhaps it is because non-indigenous Australians such as me, don't really have a rich cultural heritage. In fact, many say we are totally uncultured!
I have read a lot about (I use the word 'read' rather than 'study') a number of Asian cultures and I certainly find many aspects fascinating, and many, near impossible to fully understand. For example, there is an old Japanese tradition that a girl must jump naked, legs apart, over an open fire on her wedding night. Prove her virginity? Burn her bushy growth off? WTF!
Of course some traditions / superstitions are easily understood. The belief that White Tigers are bad luck, is simply an extension of the earlier belief that they may be infertile.
There are often red herrings and misconceptions held by non-Chinese about Chinese culture and superstitions. For example, many Singaporean and some American mongerers believe that White Tigers will f#*k your brains out. Unfortunately, I cannot read Chinese, so I have to sort the wheat from the chaff in English language publications. I tend to find the most reliable are direct translations from Chinese texts.
Chinese culture, that relates to sexual matters, is also a good conversation topic with Chinese girls. They can be extremely impressed that you know about the traditions. You just have to hit the right topic that is of interest to them. And (in my experience) miscommunication between the two of you can add a touch of hilarity to the pubic proceedings.
Ikksman
Peripatetic Pube Ponderer
P.S. In Korea, some girls who have less than bushy gardens, actually get hair transplants to make themselves more attractive!
P.P.S The cause of pubic baldness is a recessive gene, a condition more common in East Asian females.
Well, I've noticed that quite a few Asian women believe the myth that all black men, and to a lesser degree, white men have huge penises, and they are afraid that it won't fit in a their tiny pussies. Maybe you've heard this same misconception before. Of course, once they are educated, then no problem. LOL.
RG.I have heard this misconception more times than I can whizz. Regarding the racism towards blacks not just in China, but Japan, Hong Kong, Thailand etc, its kinda the same ol song and dance (I won't go into what those are as it would take to long for me to explain). I however remember a time When I lived in Bangkok that I was on my way back to my apartment after a social gathering. I took a taxi back to my place. Along the way, the taxi comes to a police checkpoint. The taxi was ordered to stop and pull over. I thought: "well ok, maybe theres' something wrong with his car". Nope, they wanted to do a check on me. I was asked nicely to step out of the taxi and present my passport. I was then asked where I stayed, I told them the area, and, they were quite surprised when I spoke. They assumed I was Nigerian. They did a pat down, saw that I had nothing and sent me on my way with an apology. I was close to home, we hit another police checkpoint. Same scenario all in one night!. Mind you I wasn't mad at all. I was calm, and I did everything they asked me to do. It didn't take long for them to send me on my way.
All in all I put much blame on some of the drug running Africans who fuck it up not for me, but for ANY person of ethnicity. Will it get better in time is anyone's guess. Getting back to the women in Asia, a LOT of them are VERY curious and want to"take the plunge" but are too nervous to do so. I moreso take a carefree attitude if they wish to know more about me. In Thailand now by the way by way of USA (Massachusetts).
Interesting, and a revelation to me personally.
I just now figured that to the Chinese, things like you write about are just matter of fact and something that somehow is like common knowledge; but to foreigners like you, you not only study and search out these things, I detect a certain amount of fascination too.
Mind you though, I've not heard prior on what you wrote about types of pubic hairs!
Learn something new every day! LOL.
SEAJSEAJ,
I guess I'm damned for life. You know I love bald pussy. My freebie knows what I like and she uses my razor to keep her smooth.
But did you know that amongst the older Chinese mongers, there is belief that doing White Tigers will bring on 7 years of bad luck? Thus explaining why there is less nookie shaving (thank goodness!) amongst Chinese girls.
SEAJ
SEAJ, I guess I'm damned for life. You know I love bald pussy. My freebie knows what I like and she uses my razor to keep her smooth.But is a girl with a shaved pussy regarded as a genuine White Tiger by the older Chinese mongerers? I have no idea!
Ikksman
Peripatetic Pube Ponderer
OldAsiaHand
01-17-15, 20:51
But is a girl with a shaved pussy regarded as a genuine White Tiger by the older Chinese mongerers? I have no idea!
Ikksman
Peripatetic Pube PondererIkksman,
You can reconfirm with SEAJ (he is the White Tiger expert) but, IMHO, it must be natural to be genuine.
Just my POV.
OAH.
SE Asia Joe
01-18-15, 08:03
Ikksman,
You can reconfirm with SEAJ (he is the White Tiger expert) but, IMHO, it must be natural to be genuine.
Just my POV.
OAHSheesh OAH, thou hath again exaggerate!
I just have a penchant for NATURAL white tigers and total abhorrence for white plucked chickens, which is how many refers to shaved nookies in the Cantonese vernacular.
Which of course replies you Ikksman!
SEAJ
Sheesh OAH, thou hath again exaggerate!
I just have a penchant for NATURAL white tigers and total abhorrence for white plucked chickens, which is how many refers to shaved nookies in the Cantonese vernacular.
Which of course replies you Ikksman!
SEAJThanks SEAJ. I agree with you. I also abhor the shaved 'white plucked chickens' because when I DATY:
1. I dislike getting my face scratched when the shave is more than a day or two old.
2. I dislike the sight of previously hidden ingrown hairs.
3. There is the risk of catching disease (and yes, HIV) via the even minute amounts of blood on freshly shaved pubes.
Just my personal beliefs and preferences!
Ikksman.
Thanks SEAJ. I agree with you. I also abhor the shaved 'white plucked chickens' because when I DATY:
1. I dislike getting my face scratched when the shave is more than a day or two old.
2. I dislike the sight of previously hidden ingrown hairs.
3. There is the risk of catching disease (and yes, HIV) via the even minute amounts of blood on freshly shaved pubes.
Just my personal beliefs and preferences!
Ikksman.I love both natural (which is very rare) and plucked.
I hope that no one noticed, but there was a sentence missing from my 'White Tiger' post of the 1/16/2015 (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1627-China-Women-Opinions-and-Advice&p=1669722&viewfull=1#post1669722).
The omission made the post a bit illogical. It should have read:
"Traditionally, a girl with no pubic hair was considered to be probably infertile. She was thus considered to be bad luck as the family lineage was (and is) so important to Chinese. Later, the superstition became broader to include that guys would have bad luck if they slept with girls without pubes.
"The rare white tiger is related to the symbol of jinx in China history, and in Feng shui a white tiger picture or statue can cause extreme bad luck if ill-positioned. If you follow Chinese astrology you will know that 2010 was a white tiger year (metal = white) and was considered, by many traditionalists, a very unlucky year (the mainly wooden tiger would fight with the metal element).
"The Chinese have bred white tigers in captivity for many years, and they have become largely infertile due to inbreeding.
"Thus, girls without pubic hair became known as 'white tigers' - ie bad luck!
Ikksman.
SE Asia Joe
01-20-15, 10:05
Thanks SEAJ. I agree with you. I also abhor the shaved 'white plucked chickens' because when I DATY:
1. I dislike getting my face scratched when the shave is more than a day or two old.
2. I dislike the sight of previously hidden ingrown hairs.
3. There is the risk of catching disease (and yes, HIV) via the even minute amounts of blood on freshly shaved pubes.
Just my personal beliefs and preferences!
Ikksman.Precisely!
I guess you and I grew up about the same time, sneaking peeks at our older brother's Playboy magazines and getting all excited when that publication and Penthouse started showing wisps of pubes! Man, those pictures are way more erotic than the full blown porn available all over nowadays.
I also enjoy DATY but usually reserve such for civvies and try to refrain when with WG's. I don't know, I guess it's silly as pros are probably more fastidious with their hygiene and get checked out more regularly – but be that as it may!
But I also notice that nowadays, more and more of our Oriental beauties seem to be enamored of DATY – some even actually asking for it! I remember that scant few years ago, most of them would consider this to be the depth of depravity, but now?
I hope that they do NOT adapt too many of the thoughts and practices of their strident Western sisters – especially disfiguring themselves by shaving. YUCK!
And reading some of the "demands" by WG's in the US-centric provider sites – cannot believe that guys would actually still want to partake after reading what they demand of their clientele.
Just musing.
SEAJ
GoldMeister
04-10-15, 14:15
Any thoughts on how to hook up with older (35+) women? All the places seem to be offering young girls.
Interested in Shanghai, Wuhan, Shenzhen.
Thanks to all!
OldAsiaHand
04-11-15, 03:18
Any thoughts on how to hook up with older (35+) women? All the places seem to be offering young girls.
Interested in Shanghai, Wuhan, Shenzhen.
Thanks to all!GoldMeister,
You can have all the 35+ women you want in China for free. There are very few at this age still on the game.
Just my POV.
OAH.
Moth To Flames
04-11-15, 05:06
Any thoughts on how to hook up with older (35+) women? All the places seem to be offering young girls.
Interested in Shanghai, Wuhan, Shenzhen.
Thanks to all!Just put yourself out there. Go to bars and chat to women. Hell, go to department stores, supermarkets, anywhere and get talking to them. If you don't know how to break the ice try asking for directions and then thank profusely with an invitation to Starbucks. Unmarried women in China are like Christmas cake - unwanted after the 25th. Giving attention to a woman 35+ who looks after herself but still can't get a guy interested I'm sure will pay dividends.
Also get online, use dating websites like Date in Asia, tinder, etc and also social media: WeChat, QQ, Momo and use the look around / people nearby functions. Fire off greeting messages and see who replies. Your hardest part may well be managing the demand!
Good luck. This is not the voice of experience but a compendium of info gleaned from RTFF'ing. Let us know how it goes!
Member #4495
04-15-15, 11:44
Solid advice Moth, another thing I want to offer is that there's a Chinese Tinder called Tantan, may have better luck there than Tinder.
Just put yourself out there. Go to bars and chat to women. Hell, go to department stores, supermarkets, anywhere and get talking to them. If you don't know how to break the ice try asking for directions and then thank profusely with an invitation to Starbucks. Unmarried women in China are like Christmas cake - unwanted after the 25th. Giving attention to a woman 35+ who looks after herself but still can't get a guy interested I'm sure will pay dividends.
Also get online, use dating websites like Date in Asia, tinder, etc and also social media: WeChat, QQ, Momo and use the look around / people nearby functions. Fire off greeting messages and see who replies. Your hardest part may well be managing the demand!
Good luck. This is not the voice of experience but a compendium of info gleaned from RTFF'ing. Let us know how it goes!
This post is prompted by a chance reading of another post here, and is based purely on my experiences. Unfortunately, my experience is minimal compared to members like Old Asia Hand who, some 10 years ago, admitted to banging about 3,000 WGs (I wonder what the total is now?).
I have probably banged maybe 100 WGs and some 265 freebies over 12 1/2 years in China (pitiful total I admit - I get too attached to a few special freebies).
Anyway, not one of my freebies has ever complained about the size of my LB, or really being hurt by it. I have seen a look of surprise on some of their faces, and there have been occasional difficult entries.
However, many of the WGs have complained that I was too big, asked me to hurry up as they were in pain, or complained that I had ruined their little sister. GFEs were the exception rather than the rule.
I wonder if your experiences and your conclusion are similar to mine?
Ikksman
This post is an extension of a post of mine on the SZ forum, but is more suited to be under this forum heading. It is not intended to be the last word on freebies, but is purely based on my experience and knowledge. It may assist those members contemplating the freebie opportunities.
1. SYTs: The Pearl River Delta can be called a megacity of 50 - 60 million with a huge number of factories (footwear and electronics). These factories employ millions of young girls from rural areas in the surrounding provinces (many more females than males). There are factories that employ 10,000 more females than males (Foxconn employs 100,000 more females). There are some valid reasons for this disparity, but this is outside the scope of this post. Combine this with the preponderance of girls employed in shops and restaurants, then there are obviously plenty of opportunities as many SYTs are happy to go out with a foreigner for a variety of reasons. Some SYTs who have had some exposure to foreigners even regard them as guys who show them more respect and treat them better (than Chinese guys).
2. Left over women: Chinese men prefer young girls, and if they live in cities, are able to satisfy this preference. So if a city girl reaches 27 or 28, she virtually becomes unmarriageable. Actually, there are plenty of guys back in the girls' home towns who have limited chances of marriage, and who would eagerly marry them. But the educated, more sophisticated city girls would never again be happy with a home town guy - someone they now view as a country bumpkin who spits spittle, bones and other inedible food on the floor, etc. The 'left over' women often view foreigners as a chance for happiness with someone who will treat them equally.
3. Neglected married women: Some Chinese husbands (who probably did not marry for love), after they have fulfilled their filial obligations of producing a son, prefer to look elsewhere for their sexual fulfilment - either visiting KTV and saunas or, if they have the money, procuring one or more 'ernai'. This leaves large numbers (in absolute terms), of wives who decide to look elsewhere for satisfaction. Foreigners are often seen as a discreet low-risk attraction.
4. Mothers with daughters: Most Chinese men still prefer to marry a young sexually inexperienced girl. And very, very few Chinese guys would be prepared to risk their parents' wrath by marrying a 'mother', particularly if they are not allowed to have another child. The mothers tend to view foreigners, who do not have a prejudice against an existing child, as potential partners.
Whilst I document that there are large numbers of girls in these categories, remember that there is a huge population base, so the actual percentages that are possible opportunities for us, may still be quite small. Thus, do not stereotype based on my writing. However, the opportunities are very real as the numbers are definitely big!
Ikksman.
P.S. There is a non-freebie aspect that intrigues me. Many well-trained sauna girls etc return to their hometown and marry home town men whose level of sexual experience and expertise are way below hers. Of course the SYTs would never reveal their sexual prowess to their new husband. The guys have no idea that they are married to champion cock suckers, fire and ice experts, and even anal lovers. Do most of these girls settle happily into their new role, or do some pine for the excitement and sexual satisfaction of the encounters in their previous existence? Just thinking!
Big Ass Eater
05-31-15, 01:08
Any thoughts on how to hook up with older (35+) women? All the places seem to be offering young girls.
Interested in Shanghai, Wuhan, Shenzhen.
Thanks to all!I spent some time in China and met several mature women who were prostitutes. Some mature Chinese can be really hot. However, most Chinese women 35 and older still have a traditional mindset and wouldn't engage in one-night stands or casual relationships. Getting a bad reputation is similar to a death sentence in China; you're branded for life and people avoid you. So, the best thing you can do is contact brothels and ask for mature women. That's the easiest way.
Charlie Shine
06-09-15, 16:26
I spent some time in China and met several mature women who were prostitutes. Some mature Chinese can be really hot. However, most Chinese women 35 and older still have a traditional mindset and wouldn't engage in one-night stands or casual relationships. Getting a bad reputation is similar to a death sentence in China; you're branded for life and people avoid you. So, the best thing you can do is contact brothels and ask for mature women. That's the easiest way.The dating sites are full of older woman. Of course they won't say they are looking for casual sex and won't respond if you asked. Subtlety is the name of the game in China.
For casual relationships, the bigger cities are the way to go. I have had several in the 36-41 year old bracket and could have had several more had I been more proactive in my 6 months in Beijing.
I suggest badoo and okcupid. A decent photo helps as does the facade that you will be here long term, love China, want to learn Chinese. Whatever nonsense they ask, just nod and smile.
Most Chinese woman are all for 'try before you buy' in regards to sex.
If its pay for play you want then all 2nd or 3rd tier cities have loads of woman in the 36-56 why / o bracket for between 30 - 200 rmb. Railways stations are good places to find brothels as are low rent areas after sundown. When I was in Nanning in the south I used to get an awesome BJ off a woman in her 50's. I 'd lie back and she would be at the foot of the bed sucking for all her life. She only asked for 30 rmb. Of course I tipped her another 20 (I wasn't carrying anything lower. LOL).
My favourite type of Chinese meimei:
• White tiger, or near white tiger - but definitely not the scratchy shaved plucked chicken variety
• Beautiful pink flesh meimei - the opposite of black, burnt wood-ear fungus (shāohuǐ mù ěr or hēi mù ěr).
Just my preference! What's yours?
Ikks.
I spent some time in China and met several mature women who were prostitutes. Some mature Chinese can be really hot. However, most Chinese women 35 and older still have a traditional mindset and wouldn't engage in one-night stands or casual relationships. {S N I P}Yes, you are mostly correct. But you overlook the critical fact that "most" probably still leaves a hundred million women who do not fit the "traditional mindset" (whatever that is).
In the mid to late 90's, there were many cities (and Zhuhai was probably the 'worst') , where there were thousands upon thousands of young WGs. These SYTs are now women in their 30's and 40's. (If you want to learn more about the period, read a reliable biography of the Toad, and how he caused China to descend into a cesspool of corruption, particularly after he became 'paramount leader' in 1989).
And for P4P, there are many 35+ women available for HE/BJ/FS in MPs (although post yanda in SZ, FS tends to be off premises). Even some saunas often have 35+ women. You can even find 35+ women on escort / outcall sites.
WRT married women, they of course keep their philandering secret, and laowai are often viewed as desirable and discreet partners for their liaisons.
Dating sites such as Chinalovecupid dot com and similar sites provide a seemingly unlimited supply of 35+ women and many of them are delectable and appreciative of a laowai's attention.
In conclusion, it is easy to find large numbers of 35+ women, and these 'freebies' have been a favourite of mine at various times.
BYT, even today there are many young SYTs who have what you term "a traditional mindset", and many SYTs do not want to be seen with a foreigner (as Chinese guys will consequently shun and look down on them). But there are still plenty left for us!
Ikks.
My favourite type of Chinese meimei:
White tiger, or near white tiger - but definitely not the scratchy shaved plucked chicken variety
Beautiful pink flesh meimei - the opposite of black, burnt wood-ear fungus (shāohuǐ m ěr or hēi m ěr).
Just my preference! What's yours?
Ikks.I like the white tiger.
I hear Pink is in!
My favorite color. Looks healthy to me.
Arizona123
06-16-15, 19:30
My favourite type of Chinese meimei:
White tiger, or near white tiger - but definitely not the scratchy shaved plucked chicken variety
Beautiful pink flesh meimei - the opposite of black, burnt wood-ear fungus (shāohuǐ m ěr or hēi m ěr).
Just my preference! What's yours?
Ikks.White tigers are definitely my preference, but they are hard to come by in China. I think they have this thing about bad luck being with a white tiger or something, so 99% of the girls don't shave down there. I've tried calling agencies telling them that's specifically what I'm looking for and they pretty much tell me good luck with that.
Having to hack my way in with a machete to get to the oyster, and getting flossed while I'm eating. Ok, where are the white tigers??
White tigers are definitely my preference, but they are hard to come by in China. I think they have this thing about bad luck being with a white tiger or something, so 99% of the girls don't shave down there. I've tried calling agencies telling them that's specifically what I'm looking for and they pretty much tell me good luck with that.
Having to hack my way in with a machete to get to the oyster, and getting flossed while I'm eating. Ok, where are the white tigers??I think that I might post a profile on DIA and CLC and state my preference for white tiger (or near white tiger). See if I get any responses!
Second thoughts, I will also state my preference for puffy inverted nipples. What a combination!
Ikks
P.S. I have written a couple of times here on the origin of the term 'white tiger' and the bad luck superstition.
There have been discussions from time to time about the typical heights of Chinese girls from the North versus the South. The table below is apparently from a recent nutrition and chronic diseases status report published by the State Council Information Office. It is a summary of the average height of females, aged between 20 and 25, in China.
Average heights of girls from southern provinces is typically 5'3" (160cm) or less!
HarryDubois
07-07-15, 00:48
I am 54, tall, athletic, white, blue eyes, divorced and live in New York City. I am considering moving to China, perhaps Shenzhen, and teaching English.
Would it be difficult for me to date pretty, college age girls there? I have heard stories that girls like that might find me very attractive.
FreebieFan
07-07-15, 01:47
I am 54, tall, athletic, white, blue eyes, divorced and live in New York City. I am considering moving to China, perhaps Shenzhen, and teaching English.
Would it be difficult for me to date pretty, college age girls there? I have heard stories that girls like that might find me very attractive.I live in Beijing and have a few years over you. And have had no trouble at all in having dates, gfs whatever in past few years. My current main squeeze is a 1. 7 m tall 23 year old African student, but there are nights when I prefer chinese and have a back up of 3 that will come on over for dinner and a bonk. Plus some other spares. Theres plenty to go around. Age isn't an issue unless you think its an issue.
I am 54, tall, athletic, white, blue eyes, divorced and live in New York City. I am considering moving to China, perhaps Shenzhen, and teaching English.
Would it be difficult for me to date pretty, college age girls there? I have heard stories that girls like that might find me very attractive.Being a laowai does not provide automatic entry into the pants of China's SYTs. Many Chinese SYTs will not even go out with a laowai for various reasons (which have been discussed on this forum at various times). But as FF writes, there's plenty to go around!
To be a successful Casanova (freebie hunter, or whatever), does not mean Brad Pitt looks and the delicate porcelain courtesans cannot guess our ages - more important is:
• knowing enough Chinese to carry a simple conversation (she probably will speak little or no English)
• understanding what things make a girl feel comfortable/uncomfortable and not lose face in front of her friends
• having a pleasant personality and self-confidence
There are tens of thousands of unqualified laowai English teachers in China and who had no teaching experience prior to arrival. But the position of laowai English teacher does not carry much status (or pay) in China unless you are highly qualified and work at a prestigious university.
I have met a number of teachers in Shenzhen and Guangzhou and they barely survive, living in tiny shitty apartments or sharing with 3 or 4 other laowai. Sharing with guys is not conducive to seducing a SYT and the girl will not take you to her place as she most probably lives in a dormitory or an even tinier, shittier apartment with just a bed and toilet/shower and not even a kitchen. And teachers do not earn enough money to take their sweethearts to nice restaurants or buy gifts for them. There is some anecdotal evidence that living in a tier 2 or 3 city is a bit better as the cost of living is so much lower (although the pay will also be lower).
It is my contention that you need a minimum monthly gross salary of 50,000 RMB to maintain a halfway decent lifestyle and English teachers get 12,000 to 18,000 RMB in Tier 1 cities. Just my opinion - feel free to disagree!
However, having said all that, there are many laowai English teachers who have developed liaisons with some of their students. And it is also true that many of them have lost their jobs when the relationships have gone south through jealousy or whatever. Teacher-student relationships are definitely discouraged or even banned by the teaching institutions. So I would advise looking outside the educational workplace to develop relationships with SYTs.
Ikksman
HarryDubois
07-07-15, 02:12
What I find in New York is that women under 30 consider me to be a [CodeWord910] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord910) if I try to flirt with them.
So as I understand it, Chinese girls are not like that.
I would definitely avoid my own students.
Is there sort of a Chinese fetish for American and Western European men?
FreebieFan
07-07-15, 03:01
Is there sort of a Chinese fetish for American and Western European men?Some Chinese girls will never date a white guy because they have been told we are bad and big etc.
Some Chinese girls will only date white guys as they prefer guys who don't spit, talk loudly, etcetc.
Some girls will enjoy multi ethnic, multi racial situations as they take people as they find them.
But do know in advance that English teachers have a lousy reputation, for drinking, flirting and trying to and in many cases, bedding their students, or the students of a colleague.
You can see these girls out on weekends, with groups of English teachers, (who are generally much younger than you are).
You will be a normal person (at least, when you start LOL) working in China and it will be up to you to figure out how people react to you, and how you react to them. Enjoy the journey.
Some Chinese girls will never date a white guy because they have been told we are bad and big etc.
Some Chinese girls will only date white guys as they prefer guys who don't spit, talk loudly, etcetc.
Some girls will enjoy multi ethnic, multi racial situations as they take people as they find them.
And don't you just hate it when your trainee SYT gives you a BBBJ and wants to stop every 15 secs to spit on the floor!
Ikks.
And don't you just hate it when your trainee SYT gives you a BBBJ and wants to stop every 15 secs to spit on the floor!
Ikks.Been there, it really did not work for me. Actually she was a MILF massage girl but same thing. American girls would spit in a tissue or something. Chinese girls hack off the side of the bed!!
Mood killer that it was.
HarryDubois
07-07-15, 08:53
What is SYT?
Also, I wonder how a short, trimmed beard would be accepted by Chinese girls? I imagine it would be a novelty.
FreebieFan
07-07-15, 10:49
What is SYT?
Also, I wonder how a short, trimmed beard would be accepted by Chinese girls? I imagine it would be a novelty.Memo to Harry. You arent the first white guy to go to Shenzhen. I think maybe 1 million and 1 bearded folks have gone there before you. Not including the Allah you akhabar-istas from Xinjiang.
HarryDubois
07-07-15, 11:27
Would there be more novelty and a lower cost of living in some other locations?
Harry Dubois has, since 2008, written 51 posts all asking questions, mainly about places like Ukraine, Russia, Philippines, etc. And even asking questions about teaching in some of these countries. And repeatedly stressing that he is a tall, handsome, 50+ New Yorker wanting very young non-WGs, blah, blah, blah.
He sure is a novelty!
I now regret wasting my time writing a lengthy, serious response to his initial question here. He is now on my ignore list!
Ikks
HarryDubois
07-07-15, 15:26
I'm not trying to waste anyone's time, but isn't this whole forum all about sharing advice about how to meet women outside the US? Do I have to have a plane ticket in my hand to ask some questions??
Blanquiceleste
07-07-15, 16:40
I have met a number of teachers in Shenzhen and Guangzhou and they barely survive, living in tiny shitty apartments or sharing with 3 or 4 other laowai. Sharing with guys is not conducive to seducing a SYT and the girl will not take you to her place as she most probably lives in a dormitory or an even tinier, shittier apartment with just a bed and toilet/shower and not even a kitchen. And teachers do not earn enough money to take their sweethearts to nice restaurants or buy gifts for them. There is some anecdotal evidence that living in a tier 2 or 3 city is a bit better as the cost of living is so much lower (although the pay will also be lower).
It is my contention that you need a minimum monthly gross salary of 50,000 RMB to maintain a halfway decent lifestyle and English teachers get 12,000 to 18,000 RMB in Tier 1 cities. Just my opinion - feel free to disagree!
IkksmanI have been travelling to China for quite a few years now. The average SYT you are after may not speak a word of English but she is much smarter than you think and will run circles around you before she lets you touch her. You are absolutely right Ikksman. Most come from remote provinces and throng at the big city gates. Almost all are looking for upgrades in life. If you want to get into the pants of a non-working girl you have to wine & dine her, get her expensive gifts and take her on frequent holidays. All the pussy you get in the world, you pay for it one way or another.
And your estimate of income required to lead a comfortable living is about right. Maybe with a bit of frugality you can get away with 30 K RMB.
Harry will have a tough time meeting his Sally as an English teacher.
Big Ass Eater
07-07-15, 22:50
I am 54, tall, athletic, white, blue eyes, divorced and live in New York City. I am considering moving to China, perhaps Shenzhen, and teaching English.
Would it be difficult for me to date pretty, college age girls there? I have heard stories that girls like that might find me very attractive.One thing I learned when I was in China is that the Chinese have a habit of saying you're attractive. At first when some Chinese girls told me I was attractive I seriously believed they were flirting with me and wished for my advance. After making a fool of myself a couple of times I realized it simply works as a kind compliment. Both Chinese men and women use it to show politeness. Several Chinese men told me I was attractive and I understood they were not gays hitting on me.
If you're 50+ and work as a teacher I suggest you keep a low profile at work. Stay away from the female students and even if they invite you to dinner or KTV don't think they want to sleep with you. Act professionally at work and during your time off travel to some other city and have your fun there. You can find serious girlfriends or playdolls in neighboring towns. If you openly act like a sleaze you will embarrass the employer. Many foreigners behave like pigs in China and give white people a bad name.
HarryDubois
07-07-15, 22:56
How about just walking up to a pretty Chinese 20 something girl and asking for her phone number?
In the US that works IF you are also 20 something. If you are 50 something the reaction will at best be no reaction, at worst "GET LOST CREEP".
57 posts in the last 7 years and every single post a question related to young freebies - primarily in the Ukraine.
Don't be a pussy! Be a man! Take decisive action! And turn your dreams into reality before your walking frame becomes an obstacle when trying to bang SYTs!
Big Ass Eater
07-07-15, 23:52
How about just walking up to a pretty Chinese 20 something girl and asking for her phone number?
In the US that works IF you are also 20 something. If you are 50 something the reaction will at best be no reaction, at worst "GET LOST CREEP".If walking up to random girls on the street is what you have in mind I'd say China is not the right place for you. That's completely inappropriate in China, especially for a man of your age. I suggest you travel to some Asian country where they are used to sex tourism. As Ikksman said previously, maybe it's time to "just do it". No need to ponder on it.
HarryDubois
07-08-15, 00:30
If walking up to random girls on the street is what you have in mind I'd say China is not the right place for you. So it sound like Shanghai or New York City, pretty much the same mentality.
So it sound like Shanghai or New York City, pretty much the same mentality.As you are an academic, I am sure you know how to do research projects. Here, it is called RTTF! But you must be careful to sort the wheat from the chaff. There is a lot of BS written by self-proclaimed experts.
Initially, I recommend that you read the China posts of Freebiefan and Ikksman over the last couple of years.
Freebiefan and Ikksman are long-time freebie chasers of SYTs. They are both well past the 50 mark (I think Ikksman is 65). They have lived and worked in Asia for more than 20 years, including maybe 10 years in China.
Then, and only then can you ask intelligent questions of the members here (if you still have any unanswered questions).
Try this for a research starter on freebies:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2015-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction&p=1560960&viewfull=1#post1560960
Big Ass Eater
07-08-15, 05:26
As you are an academic, I am sure you know how to do research projects. Here, it is called RTTF! But you must be careful to sort the wheat from the chaff. There is a lot of BS written by self-proclaimed experts.
Initially, I recommend that you read the China posts of Freebiefan and Ikksman over the last couple of years.
Freebiefan and Ikksman are long-time freebie chasers of SYTs. They are both well past the 50 mark (I think Ikksman is 65). They have lived and worked in Asia for more than 20 years, including maybe 10 years in China.
Then, and only then can you ask intelligent questions of the members here (if you still have any unanswered questions).
Try this for a research starter on freebies:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2015-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction&p=1560960&viewfull=1#post1560960What "self-proclaimed" experts are you referring to? Are there "reliable" experts? I'd say what counts is that people speak from experience. Maybe you're nothing but a "self-proclaimed" one yourself. Ridiculous post.
Of course there are all sorts of opinions and advice about Chinese women posted on these forums. It is the responsibility of the reader to sort the pearls of wisdom from the BS.
And when a poster makes suggestions or offers tips, the reader is free to follow the advice or ignore it.
I certainly do not regard myself as an expert on Chinese women, but I will make suggestions if I feel they may help a fellow ISG member. And I certainly never make claims that it is easy to understand Chinese culture or give stereotypical opinions of Chinese women.
Kit
Big Ass Eater
07-08-15, 21:06
Of course there are all sorts of opinions and advice about Chinese women posted on these forums. It is the responsibility of the reader to sort the pearls of wisdom from the BS.
And when a poster makes suggestions or offers tips, the reader is free to follow the advice or ignore it.
I certainly do not regard myself as an expert on Chinese women, but I will make suggestions if I feel they may help a fellow ISG member. And I certainly never make claims that it is easy to understand Chinese culture or give stereotypical opinions of Chinese women.
KitNo need to play humble and at the same time dismiss members here as "self-proclaimed" experts. Now that you've read through my China posts you've come to the comclusion that you yourself would never say that it's easy to understand Chinese culture, because unlike me you know Chinese culture is by far toooo complex, right? Well, you do seem to act a little like an expert yourself.
Why don't you ask the (stereotypical) Chinese women then why most of them seem to get married at around 25-26 years of age? Am I being a "self-proclaimed" expert again revealing my prejudice about this complex culture?
How is my assessment of Chinese women more "stereotypical" than say Ikksman's? Is there a hierarchy of whom is allowed to speak with authority on this prostitution site? Maybe it would be a good idea if you simply granted licenses to guys who are serious and in the know. In that way quality would be guaranteed. How about that? For the sake of quality.
Some of us here (including Fuzimiao, Lao Ma and myself) have already acknowledged that BigAss is our ISG expert on China.
I find BigAss's posts very educational, and hope he continues to post, particularly about Chinese culture - as he simplifies for us, the complex, interwoven, overlapping and ever-evolving beliefs, myths, traditions and superstitions and their significant regional variations.
Ikks.
{S N I P}Am I being a "self-proclaimed" expert again revealing my prejudice about this complex culture? {S N I P}I am a bit confused! On 01-02-15, you wrote "In my view Chinese culture isn't that complex or hard to understand". But now you write "about this complex culture"!
{S N I P}Why don't you ask the (stereotypical) Chinese women then why most of them seem to get married at around 25-26 years of age?{S N I P}I believe that most Chinese girls would not be able to succinctly answer this question other than to say that parents and other relatives want them to hurry up and marry.
It is a complex question, and is certainly outside the scope and indeed, objective of this forum to answer thoroughly.
If readers are interested, there is an interesting book "Politics of Marriage in Contemporary China" that is readily available.
Just a few points that I trust are of interest to ISGers are:
• The average age of marriage for Chinese females is increasing
• There is a difference between rural and urban ages of marriage
• There are different pressures for rural and urban females to marry
• The increasing legal age for marriage has had an effect on the average age of marriage
• There are significant efforts by state departments to encourage females to marry younger
• It is the better educated females who delay marriage until later, and the government would rather these 'more intelligent' females reproduce earlier to increase the intelligence of the population (totally stupid, I know)
• The stigma of 'shengnu' (leftover) women puts a lot of pressure on females to get married by 27 or 28 (and the government has formally defined the term).
• Parents put significant pressure on their daughters to get married (often so the selfish parents can enjoy their grandchildren before they get too old).
To illustrate how quickly things are changing, I remember a 1950's survey in a Hunan village revealed that every girl over the age of 13 was married! I am glad that has changed, as I love those sweet, petite, porcelain Hunan dolls!
Ikks.
HarryDubois
07-09-15, 12:49
Has anyone watched this documentary? I think it was pretty amazing. Very nicely and professionally done.
http://www.seekingasianfemale.com/
Big Ass Eater
07-09-15, 17:55
Some of us here (including Fuzimiao, Lao Ma and myself) have already acknowledged that BigAss is our ISG expert on China.
I find BigAss's posts very educational, and hope he continues to post, particularly about Chinese culture - as he simplifies for us, the complex, interwoven, overlapping and ever-evolving beliefs, myths, traditions and superstitions and their significant regional variations.
Ikks.My posts are based on my personal experience. But since you are old, clever and more experienced than I am I guess they are not good enough for you. I guess you know how to pick up Chinese girls at Starbucks and on the subway. They are all into 60+ guys.
It would be better to publish a list of members who have reliable info on China. There would be less confusion and easier for anyone looking for good advice concerning the subject matter. Ikksman and Kitsumine (or whatever his name) could arrange such a list. They are the experts and know good from BS.
HarryDubois
07-09-15, 23:23
I believe that the ISG should sponsor me to go on a fact finding expedition to China, in the interest of HARD science. I will publish my IN DEPTH report in the forum of course, together with many photos of the natives and their customs.
FreebieFan
07-10-15, 01:49
My posts are based on my personal experience. But since you are old, clever and more experienced than I am I guess they are not good enough for you. I guess you know how to pick up Chinese girls at Starbucks and on the subway. They are all into 60+ guys.
It would be better to publish a list of members who have reliable info on China. There would be less confusion and easier for anyone looking for good advice concerning the subject matter. Ikksman and Kitsumine (or whatever his name) could arrange such a list. They are the experts and know good from BS.Sir, you sound old and bitter. Relax, lighten up. Its Friday. Theres lots of Chinese pussy for everyone and we all have different, but successful ways of getting it. Had a fabulous and somewhat nervous HJ last night in my home from a 21 year old virgin girl who " I don't know how to do this, please teach me ", will have tonight with a tall slim African student who I generally date a few nights a week, and on Monday an acupuncture student who lives in Tianjin is coming for a visit. The fact she has sent me her naked pics tell me we might be getting it on.
Hope you have as relaxing a time.
Big Ass Eater
07-10-15, 02:59
Sir, you sound old and bitter. Relax, lighten up. Its Friday. Theres lots of Chinese pussy for everyone and we all have different, but successful ways of getting it. Had a fabulous and somewhat nervous HJ last night in my home from a 21 year old virgin girl who " I don't know how to do this, please teach me ", will have tonight with a tall slim African student who I generally date a few nights a week, and on Monday an acupuncture student who lives in Tianjin is coming for a visit. The fact she has sent me her naked pics tell me we might be getting it on.
Hope you have as relaxing a time.Talking to me? Maybe you should be addressing Mr DIkksman instead, he's way older than I am. Why on earth would I be bitter? If you only knew. I've had my share of Chinese women. Believe me. The hottest woman I ever had was Chinese, from Jiangxi. A mother of two in her 30's. Fantastic body, more curves than I could handle, just like a Coca-Cola bottle; big tits, slim waist and big firm ass. The pussy was the most beautiful I've ever seen, a real piece of art. She was a working girl but to me more like a GF. She visited me whenever I asked her and paid her 200 yuan per session which lasted as long as I wanted. The dream hooker. The only 10/10 I've ever been with. All other girls pale in comparison.
So, don't pass judgements on me. I'm done with this discussion. Think, assume and say whatever you like.
My posts are based on my personal experience. But since you are old, clever and more experienced than I am I guess they are not good enough for you. I guess you know how to pick up Chinese girls at Starbucks and on the subway. They are all into 60+ guys.
It would be better to publish a list of members who have reliable info on China. There would be less confusion and easier for anyone looking for good advice concerning the subject matter. Ikksman and Kitsumine (or whatever his name) could arrange such a list. They are the experts and know good from BS.I never chat girls in Starbucks or on the MTR, and have specifically stated that guys forget about hunting freebies in these places.
And being such a young looking hunk, I can't comment whether or not these girls are into 60+ guys!!!!
IMHO, there are some posters here who should get off their horses to look at the flowers.
Ikks
Some time ago I posted about a beautiful young Changsha girl that I lusted after for a number of years. She was the girl that I never succeeded in developing an intimate relationship with, although I banged her sister, her mother and an aunt.
Surprise, surprise! Today, I got an email from her (with photos). She wrote that she missed me very much and wanted to see me and give herself totally to me (her words)!
I wonder if she is desperately in need of money, or is just afraid of becoming a sheng nu (left over) woman.
She truly is a classic Han beauty. And not the currently sought after tall, thin, big boobs and V shaped face with double lid eyes that Chinese guys so strongly desire (I think they watch too much K-pop). She has a sexy firm body of perfect proportions and a beautiful face, perfect teeth plus a great personality and smile. So it is a wonder that she is still single at 26. Or at least I think that she is 26. I remember her once telling me that it was her birthday, so I said that you are now 24? She replied "No, I am still 23, same as yesterday" (renri)!
Anyway, there are always temptations in life. Excuse my one-handed typos! Shit, how old am I?
Cheers.
"Your BF/husband is a very lucky guy!" If appropriate, follow up with "I hope that he knows how lucky he is!".
This flattery works great with both single and married woman (if said in front of her friends it also gives her face). This can open up all sorts of opportunities for bright young men!
If the woman is married, she will often say that she doesn't know, or similar. This really means, her husband neglects her and she is open to offers. BTW, I recall a married girl that I met, and she would never let me tongue kiss, although everything else was on offer (and accepted). She said this was reserved for her husband, even though he was obviously neglecting her! If I remember rightly, she actually initiated the contact with me at Starbucks in Coco Park!
A few cultural tidbits: Many SYTs falsely claim to have a BF. One of 2 possible reasons: either to get rid of you, or, to give herself face. If it is the latter, then of course she is willing to be 'wooed'. It is also common to find that a SYT is hanging on to her no-good BF just until she finds a new and better one (she may even despise the current one). A couple of examples:
1. I was banging a SYT, who said that her ex-BF, who she went through college with back in her home province, was no good and did not treat her well. Suddenly, the guy appeared in SZ, with lots of gifts, and she let him live with her. I asked why and her response was that if she could be my GF, she would dump him. In the meantime, she would live with him!
2. There was another girl who worked in the Tumi luggage shop in HK (when it was in Chater house). One day I decided to ask for her phone number. She replied that she had had the same BF for 10 years! So being the gentleman that I am, I desisted from further assaults on her. But when I was leaving the shop, she rushed over and grabbed my hand in her 2 hands, squeezing tightly, and thanking me profusely for shopping again with Tumi. Some shoppers entering the store stopped dead in their tracks at this public display of affection by a SYT to an old laowai fart! She then gave me her phone number after what seemed like minutes of rubbing her big tits against me and lustfully looking into my eyes! I have to admit that I was so taken aback by this that it was some days before I could summon up the strength and courage to contact her.
A number of posters here claim that it is a long and difficult process to woo a Chinese SYT into your bed. I totally disagree. I have found that if you successfully get their mobile number, exchange a few message, then they have already mentally accepted you as a potential BF. So just a meal, a small trinket or a few drinks (although many SYTs don't drink), and you should have your wicked way with them, in a couple of hours.
Additionally, in my experience (and confirmed by actual studies), that nearly all Chinese SYTs are not virgins by the time they reach 17, or 21 in the case of university graduates. And they are more than willing to play the two humped beast. But they are generally inexperienced by our standards, never had an orgasm and require gentle coaching in the art of BBBJs. However, you do encounter the occasional screamer!
Trust that this information is of interest and useful! I should also state that I believe that South Chinese girls are very different to those in the North!
Cheers.
FreebieFan
11-20-15, 08:53
Additionally, in my experience (and confirmed by actual studies), that nearly all Chinese SYTs are not virgins by the time they reach 17, or 21 in the case of university graduates. . But they are generally inexperienced by our standards, never had an orgasm and require gentle coaching in the art of BBBJs.
! I should also state that I believe that South Chinese girls are very different to those in the North!
Cheers.Have met 4 ladies in past year (from North China, aged between 22-26) who were aghast at the thought that I was going to lick their pussies.
Two were eventually fine with the idea whilst telling me " Chinese boys never ever do that ". "wow. . that feels nice Freebie ".
One said repeatedly " no no no no no no no no don't do that no no no. That's weird ".
And the last one was a very matter of fact direct sort of girl " tell me why you are intending to kiss my pussy and what will I feel when you do this, will it hurt, is it safe for me to let you, me etcetc ". She agreed to let me have a few tentative licks of her lips, agreed that it was pleasant and seemed to enjoy it more and more.
Once they liked, it was way way easier to get them to shave at least of their jungle by telling them they would enjoy more.
Have met 4 ladies in past year (from North China, aged between 22-26) who were aghast at the thought that I was going to lick their pussies.
Two were eventually fine with the idea whilst telling me " Chinese boys never ever do that ". "wow. . that feels nice Freebie ".
One said repeatedly " no no no no no no no no don't do that no no no. That's weird ".
And the last one was a very matter of fact direct sort of girl " tell me why you are intending to kiss my pussy and what will I feel when you do this, will it hurt, is it safe for me to let you, me etcetc ". She agreed to let me have a few tentative licks of her lips, agreed that it was pleasant and seemed to enjoy it more and more.
Once they liked, it was way way easier to get them to shave at least of their jungle by telling them they would enjoy more.Hi Freebie,
Most Southern girls from the far-flung provinces of China seem to think that DATY is dirty and will wriggle and fight to escape your tongue getting anywhere near their mei mei. I love to get them by surprise: first persuading them to have a shower together (hard work), and then getting them into a wrestling submission hold so they cannot escape.
So you use bribery to get them to shave? Hmmm! Girls who have copious sacred moss around their labia or who are of the burnt wood fungus variety, often do not get a repeat session with me. White tigers I keep in a cage! They get starlet treatment, especially if they have pink, puffy nipples as well!
Last year I had a beautiful SYT in the shower with me. She urinated whilst squatting over the drain and then suddenly exclaimed "My aunt has come!". I looked, and there were indeed traces of menstrual blood. I wonder why they say it is her 'aunt'? Any suggestions? Do northern girls say this?
It is hard work training SYTs, but the rewards are substantial!
BTW do northern girls sit sidewise on western toilets? Some southern spinners from the provinces have this strange habit!
Cheers
"My aunt has come!". I looked, and there were indeed traces of menstrual blood. I wonder why they say it is her 'aunt'?
Could be a westerner taught them who "Aunt Flo" was.
Could be a westerner taught them who "Aunt Flo" was.Thanks Stegram,
Seems plausible, although they may have developed the euphemisms in parallel. I wonder how old the expressions are? I did read in one (unreliable) source that the full saying in Chinese was "My aunt has come so I can't leave the house".
Actually I have never heard the expression "Aunt Flo". It has a certain quaint appeal because of the flow! Where I grew up, the common slang was to "be on the rag" or She has the red flag flying. Very unimaginative slang of 19th century English origin (yes, the females did use rags).
Chinese always seem to have wonderful euphemisms such as "Looking at the flowers whilst riding on horseback" and "deep fried breadsticks". I guess I was hoping for a similarly attractive expression.
Cheers.
Thanks Stegram,
Seems plausible, although they may have developed the euphemisms in parallel. I wonder how old the expressions are? I did read in one (unreliable) source that the full saying in Chinese was "My aunt has come so I can't leave the house".{S N I P}This one may or may not be deemed more appropriate! Note that she is a genuine, near white tiger!
I also found another couple of expressions for menstruation. The most puzzling one was 天癸 tiān guǐ. Tenth heaven? I don't think so! Any ideas?
Ikks.
C'mon Guys! Am I the only perverted bastard who has studied Chinese spinners sitting sideways on western style toilets and wants to know why. Don't you find this an exciting puzzle?
Cheers.
FreebieFan
11-23-15, 03:05
Hi Freebie,
Last year I had a beautiful SYT in the shower with me. She urinated whilst squatting over the drain and then suddenly exclaimed "My aunt has come!". I looked, and there were indeed traces of menstrual blood. I wonder why they say it is her 'aunt'? Any suggestions? Do northern girls say this?
BTW do northern girls sit sidewise on western toilets? Some southern spinners from the provinces have this strange habit!
CheersI have heard numerous expressions of menstruation. Certainly the "auntie is visiting " is a common one.
The " on a red holiday " is another one " red tide " (from Philippines) " temporarily out of action " was another recently heard.
I've also had here in China " I have a visitor so I can't go out tonight " and other variations of it.
Another from the Philippines is " I have dysmenarhea ". You have what honey? "" I have my period". Oh, why not just say so.
{S N I P}Another from the Philippines is " I have dysmenarhea ". You have what honey? "" I have my period". Oh, why not just say so.She must have been one those nurses we used to pick up at St Luke's Hospital in Global City!
Another strange thing, I have never met a South China girl who knew what a tampon was, and they would recoil in horror at the idea of jamming a cotton plug up their little sister!
Forget Liar's Dice and other drinking games! IMHO, drinking games are for drunks. Learn a few Chinese songs instead and get one of the girls to locate the songs for you.
Check out the chinasmack dot com archives (search for "chinese pop songs"). Some years ago they used to have regular posts that helped one learn popular Chinese songs (and included pinyin), even old classics like "I came over the ocean to see you". Being a laowai able to sing Chinese love songs, made one very popular with the KTV girls.
How sad that the 2/5/7 or even the 3/7/10 days are gone forever. Still, thankfully there is still corporate entertainment, where as a guest, it is all free!
BTW my absolute all time favourite song (Cantonese or Mandarin) is 'Chi Xin Jue Dui' (Absolute Infatuation). Even if you cannot speak a single word of Chinese, it is still a beautiful song! You can listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Ydf0wclaI.
I suppose I like this song because it reminds me of some Japanese love songs that I learnt in Tokyo in the 70's. I remember I learnt mainly Shinichi Mori songs (such as Ginza no Onna , Shinjuku and Shibuya Eki ). In those days, Mori San was infamous for banging older and married women (he brought great shame on his family - I think his mother tried to commit suicide) - still, he was my kind of guy! No internet in those days, and no Romaji or English translations. Just cassettes! My Japanese boss at the time, a thrice failed Kamikaze pilot and great monger (I have great stories about, and memories of him), helped me learn the lyrics.
Cheers.
At one time a few years back, I had a scary episode with a Chinese 'left over' woman. Lucky for me she was ugly!
Chinese guys always say that we westerners get the ugly girls. Their idea of a true beauty is young (under 24yo), ultra slim, 170cm tall, rock-hard C tits, double eye lids, v-shaped face, and less intelligent than themselves.
It actually started in Abu Dhabi where I had to help with some presentations and planning exercises. There was a Chinese girl there from another company, which was state owned. During the course of the week or so, we worked closely together. There was something about her that turned me on. She had a cute face and wore glasses, was a short (156cm), very buxom and shapely 30ish girl, and had at least 2 masters degrees and 1 PhD (maybe more). The Chinese guys there could not understand my obvious interest in her (I thought that I was being discreet); she was even a mid-level manager!
Back in China, she flew in to visit me some weekends and I would fly to her as well. I could have sex with her 3 times in 7 hours and repeat 10 hours later. It was like I was 25 years younger! And she would go absolutely crazy too - a real screamer. Additionally, we could have intelligent conversations, when my little brother needed to recover (typically, when with an 18yo SZ shop or factory girl, my post-coital conversation would be limited to "How are you getting home?").
Unfortunately, she started being monitored for some unknown reason. The poor girl was investigated (read interrogated), demoted and sent to Poland to work on some boring telecom network project. If she had not been ugly, I suspect that I could have been in trouble as jealousy from the higher ups would have then played a factor.
We still Wechat from time to time, and those conversations are tinged with sadness! I look at her photos on Wechat and wonder what could have been (sentimental old bastard that I am)!
We westerners have been truly blessed that there are so many ugly sheng nu in China!
Cheers
A short while ago I reported that a girl, who I had never banged (but had banged her sister, mother and aunty) , contacted me saying that she missed me very much. I gave a detailed report about this lengthy family adventure here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1627-China-Women-Opinions-and-Advice&p=1561355&viewfull=1#post1561355
Yesterday, the photographic model that I have previously posted about (on 2 occasions), also contacted me saying that she also missed me very much.
I know that they all need money for Chinese New Year. Whilst I appreciate their sense of filial piety, and their great willingness to bang me, I am awake to their ways! No hong bao from me!
I wonder who will be next to contact me?
Ikksman
Continued from Shanghai thread:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1824239&viewfull=1#post1824239
Hi Natty,
The Pearl River Delta, in Guangdong Province is the largest urban area in the world (even bigger than Tokyo) with 50 million population. It is newly developed, particularly in the electronics area with tens of thousands of large factories and related enterprises. Female workers by far outnumber the male worker, and have come mainly from smaller cities, town and villages in Guangdong, Hunan, Yunnan, Guangxi, Sichuan, Chongqing and Hubei.
FreebieFan and myself have coined the area (or parts of the area such as SZ), 'Freebie Paradise'.
The 3 main types of freebies are:
(1) Lesser educated girls who have come to the big cities to work. They have developed a veneer of sophistication and don't want to return to their poverty stricken village. I don't think these girls are Natty's target species. However, they are ready to jump into bed with any likely looking foreigner (the ones that are not terrified of us haha). They are very aware that they have few assets (most can't even cook), and their beauty is quickly fading away.
(2) Highly educated girls who probably only commenced building their career at 25 when they left university. They concentrated on their work, with good pay and good prospects for a few years, and then discovered they were 'Sheng nu' (left over) women. Unless they had some other outstanding quality (like rich parents), they had very little chance of getting married to a Chinese mainland guy. ABCs and some expats snap them up, but still plenty left over and advertising on CLC, etc for us! The educated ones will often speak excellent English and have been educated at top Western universities.
(3) There are huge numbers of divorced women, who Chinese mainland guys are not interested in. A few may be pure hot-tempered controlling bitches from Sichuan (oops, did I write that? But many are wonderful girls whose only fault was to give birth to a baby girl (and not a boy). The guy simply divorces and remarries another girl that meet the current standards of Chinese beauty, and hopefully will have a baby boy. He continues this until he and his parents get their desired offspring. Chinese guys do not want to marry a sexually experienced mother; they want the opposite, a sexually inexperienced near-virgin (maybe had one similar BF before).
These poor girls only hope of married bliss is to marry a foreigner. The single mothers are particularly attentive to a foreigners' needs as they are very aware their beauty only has a short shelf life. Their other alternative is to return to their village / town and marry an uneducated guy who spits the fish bones on the floor, loudly slurps, burps and farts, and thinks that sex is just a 30 second relief exercise whenever they want it. This husband will have been selected by their families.
I have had girls cry in my arms (and Chinese girls are normally fairly dour in these circumstances and rarely cry), over having to choose between filial piety and happiness with a foreigner. Their parents don't want to emigrate to a western country, and the girl does not want to throw away her only chance at happiness.
Only 2 warnings. Firstly, it is traditional, in China, to have all professionally taken photographs heavily photo-shopped (my recent passport photo makes me look 30 years younger), and secondly they often post photos from 10 years ago. So examine their beauty with a critical eye. You won't be disappointed!
Some years ago I inquired about a discount for subscribing to more than one site such as CLC, HKC, and FC. They were very happy to negotiate a good price for me but eventually I came to my senses and realized that the numbers in China where more than enough for me!
Just my POV!
Ikksman
Thanks for great analysis. . Your terminating sentence ". Happy to.
Negotiate. Enough for me" not quite clear, haha.
Need some interpretation for a stupid Laowei.
Thanks, Gregory.
Continued from Shanghai thread:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1824239&viewfull=1#post1824239
Hi Natty,
The Pearl River Delta, in Guangdong Province is the largest urban area in the world (even bigger than Tokyo) with 50 million population. It is newly developed, particularly in the electronics area with tens of thousands of large factories and related enterprises. Female workers by far outnumber the male worker, and have come mainly from smaller cities, town and villages in Guangdong, Hunan, Yunnan, Guangxi, Sichuan, Chongqing and Hubei.
FreebieFan and myself have coined the area (or parts of the area such as SZ), 'Freebie Paradise'.
The 3 main types of freebies are:
(1) Lesser educated girls who have come to the big cities to work. They have developed a veneer of sophistication and don't want to return to their poverty stricken village. I don't think these girls are Natty's target species. However, they are ready to jump into bed with any likely looking foreigner (the ones that are not terrified of us haha). They are very aware that they have few assets (most can't even cook), and their beauty is quickly fading away.
(2) Highly educated girls who probably only commenced building their career at 25 when they left university. They concentrated on their work, with good pay and good prospects for a few years, and then discovered they were 'Sheng nu' (left over) women. Unless they had some other outstanding quality (like rich parents), they had very little chance of getting married to a Chinese mainland guy. ABCs and some expats snap them up, but still plenty left over and advertising on CLC, etc for us! The educated ones will often speak excellent English and have been educated at top Western universities.
(3) There are huge numbers of divorced women, who Chinese mainland guys are not interested in. A few may be pure hot-tempered controlling bitches from Sichuan (oops, did I write that? But many are wonderful girls whose only fault was to give birth to a baby girl (and not a boy). The guy simply divorces and remarries another girl that meet the current standards of Chinese beauty, and hopefully will have a baby boy. He continues this until he and his parents get their desired offspring. Chinese guys do not want to marry a sexually experienced mother; they want the opposite, a sexually inexperienced near-virgin (maybe had one similar BF before).
These poor girls only hope of married bliss is to marry a foreigner. The single mothers are particularly attentive to a foreigners' needs as they are very aware their beauty only has a short shelf life. Their other alternative is to return to their village / town and marry an uneducated guy who spits the fish bones on the floor, loudly slurps, burps and farts, and thinks that sex is just a 30 second relief exercise whenever they want it. This husband will have been selected by their families.
I have had girls cry in my arms (and Chinese girls are normally fairly dour in these circumstances and rarely cry), over having to choose between filial piety and happiness with a foreigner. Their parents don't want to emigrate to a western country, and the girl does not want to throw away her only chance at happiness.
Only 2 warnings. Firstly, it is traditional, in China, to have all professionally taken photographs heavily photo-shopped (my recent passport photo makes me look 30 years younger), and secondly they often post photos from 10 years ago. So examine their beauty with a critical eye. You won't be disappointed!
Some years ago I inquired about a discount for subscribing to more than one site such as CLC, HKC, and FC. They were very happy to negotiate a good price for me but eventually I came to my senses and realized that the numbers in China where more than enough for me!
Just my POV!
Ikksman
Thanks for great analysis. . Your terminating sentence ". Happy to.
Negotiate. Enough for me" not quite clear, haha.
Need some interpretation for a stupid Laowei.
Thanks, Gregory.I admit, not my best piece of writing!
Back in the days when the Chinese site was called ChineseLoveLinks dot com, I emailed the Australian company that operated the various sites. I requested a subscription discount for simultaneous membership of multiple sites. I gave as an example, adding their HongKongCupid (HKC) and / or FilipinoCupid (FC) sites to my membership).
They replied that it was a great idea, and asked what I thought was a reasonable discount. I suggested a 30% total discount adding 2 site membership (6 month membership I think) and greater discounts for 3 sites or longer terms. Surprise, surprise, they agreed! I should have asked for 40%.
However, I never accepted the offer. I did have to earn a living! If I went to PI, I could just get a short term PC membership there. And WRT to HK, I always found enough DHers to keep me busy.
Ikks.
P.S. Further to my previous post, a divorced mother will sometimes concentrate 100% on bringing up their child, and refuse to enter the dating scene until the child finishes their education. I have also met a number of older, successful business women, who had no interest in dating until they reached some objective in business. In my experience, these women then had a sexual mission. They knew that they were inexperienced sexually, and were very willing to be trained. They just wanted to experience everything before they were too old!
Those were the days.
Thanks again, Gregory.
I admit, not my best piece of writing!
Back in the days when the Chinese site was called ChineseLoveLinks dot com, I emailed the Australian company that operated the various sites. I requested a subscription discount for simultaneous membership of multiple sites. I gave as an example, adding their HongKongCupid (HKC) and / or FilipinoCupid (FC) sites to my membership).
They replied that it was a great idea, and asked what I thought was a reasonable discount. I suggested a 30% total discount adding 2 site membership (6 month membership I think) and greater discounts for 3 sites or longer terms. Surprise, surprise, they agreed! I should have asked for 40%.
However, I never accepted the offer. I did have to earn a living! If I went to PI, I could just get a short term PC membership there. And WRT to HK, I always found enough DHers to keep me busy.
Ikks.
P.S. Further to my previous post, a divorced mother will sometimes concentrate 100% on bringing up their child, and refuse to enter the dating scene until the child finishes their education. I have also met a number of older, successful business women, who had no interest in dating until they reached some objective in business. In my experience, these women then had a sexual mission. They knew that they were inexperienced sexually, and were very willing to be trained. They just wanted to experience everything before they were too old!
"Your BF/husband is a very lucky guy!" If appropriate, follow up with "I hope that he knows how lucky he is!".
This flattery works great with both single and married woman (if said in front of her friends it also gives her face). This can open up all sorts of opportunities for bright young men!
A number of posters here claim that it is a long and difficult process to woo a Chinese SYT into your bed. I totally disagree. I have found that if you successfully get their mobile number, exchange a few message, then they have already mentally accepted you as a potential BF. So just a meal, a small trinket or a few drinks (although many SYTs don't drink), and you should have your wicked way with them, in a couple of hours.
Trust that this information is of interest and useful! I should also state that I believe that South Chinese girls are very different to those in the North!
Cheers."So just a meal, a small trinket or a few drinks (although many SYTs don't drink), and you should have your wicked way with them, in a couple of hours. "
1.) What if they or you don't drink, do you still get your way with them as easily?
2.) What kind of meal are you usually going to? To an expensive Restaurant?
Since most Chinese girls like a BF with money, than it is understandable why they would pursue a man after giving them the impression that you have money and a better life style than them, relative to their own income.
3.) What is a small trinket? You mean you will give them jewelry?
In this quote down below you mentioned how you banged the female part of a family.
And than you say an other young girl of that family came also be banged by you, but it might be possible that she just was in money trouble, and wanted to be with you for that reason.
Here my question: Are you offering money to most of those girls you get to know, and is this the reason why they are being forthcoming with you?
I remember other posts where you also say you give those freebies money.
I am quite surprised, as I am sure many others are as well, that you as an 60+ year old are scoring so many young girls, when others that are the same age as you or even younger are not.
Even old time ISG members that I know don't have the same success rate getting freebies as in your reports.
I would like to join you as a wingman once and watch you working, to see how you are actually "practically" doing it.
Here is the post I have just been referring to:
Some time ago I posted about a beautiful young Changsha girl that I lusted after for a number of years. She was the girl that I never succeeded in developing an intimate relationship with, although I banged her sister, her mother and an aunt.
Surprise, surprise! Today, I got an email from her (with photos). She wrote that she missed me very much and wanted to see me and give herself totally to me (her words)!
I wonder if she is desperately in need of money, or is just afraid of becoming a sheng nu (left over) woman.
She truly is a classic Han beauty..It seems to me that you must spent a lot of time wooing all these girls, when you are basically bedding the entire female part of a family. But you say you don't.
Do they all know of each other, that you have been banging those other family members, and they still agreed to continue banging you at the same time?
For money?
I don't know, but if a girl does not look good enough for me, I can't get myself to sleep with her.
Thanks for your answer.
Cheers.
"So just a meal, a small trinket or a few drinks (although many SYTs don't drink), and you should have your wicked way with them, in a couple of hours. "
1.) What if they or you don't drink, do you still get your way with them as easily?
2.) What kind of meal are you usually going to? To an expensive Restaurant?
Since most Chinese girls like a BF with money, than it is understandable why they would pursue a man after giving them the impression that you have money and a better life style than them, relative to their own income.
3.) What is a small trinket? You mean you will give them jewelry?
In this quote down below you mentioned how you banged the female part of a family.
And than you say an other young girl of that family came also be banged by you, but it might be possible that she just was in money trouble, and wanted to be with you for that reason.
Here my question: Are you offering money to most of those girls you get to know, and is this the reason why they are being forthcoming with you?
I remember other posts where you also say you give those freebies money.
I am quite surprised, as I am sure many others are as well, that you as an 60+ year old are scoring so many young girls, when others that are the same age as you or even younger are not.
Even old time ISG members that I know don't have the same success rate getting freebies as in your reports.
I would like to join you as a wingman once and watch you working, to see how you are actually "practically" doing it.
Here is the post I have just been referring to:
It seems to me that you must spent a lot of time wooing all these girls, when you are basically bedding the entire female part of a family. But you say you don't.
Do they all know of each other, that you have been banging those other family members, and they still agreed to continue banging you at the same time?
For money?
I don't know, but if a girl does not look good enough for me, I can't get myself to sleep with her.
Thanks for your answer.
Cheers.I will try and answer your questions and points in sequence. Hope the end result makes sense! I am specifically addressing the dating of relatively unsophisticated SYTs who have not lived in cities like SZ for more than a year or so. If I was dating, say a girl who had worked in a business corporation at a professional level for a number of years, then I would modify my tactics accordingly.
I have written other posts about meeting SYTs (in the RODs I think), and also some posts about their culture that sure helped my success rate. But I am not sure whether I admitted to one lazy technique. When I have been on long term contracts, I made friends with some of the SYTs that worked for the company at various levels from secretaries through to technical or professional staff. I have asked if they had any GFs who would like to come out to dinner with the both of us. The girls always had friends who they knew from their hometown or university, and I used this strategy successfully, particularly before I became more proficient in Chinese.
1. If the SYT does not drink alcohol (and many girls from rural areas do not drink) then yes, it may increase the challenge a bit. Maybe a second date if I am attracted to her. I myself am a very light drinker, and often do not drink when having a meal.
2. Generally speaking, I ask girls for their phone / Wechat ID after first meeting with them. Then use Wechat. So maybe there is 2 or more hours invested in "grooming". Oops, that's not politically correct! So by the time of the first date I am pretty confident she is willing to have a good time.
3. Sometimes she will want a GF to go with her. I don't see this as a major problem. If I can impress her GF, then I know a second date will be a good investment. Sometimes the GF will go home after a while, so there is no longer that impediment.
4. I don't go to expensive restaurants on first dates. My main criteria are (a) middle of the range restaurant that hopefully doesn't have food with too many chemicals; (b) a restaurant that is not too big and noisy so we can talk and use translator comfortably; and (c) a restaurant that serves food from her province (so if the girl is from Hunan, I will choose a Hunan or maybe Sichuan restaurant). A Hunan girl will probably dislike Cantonese or Shanghai food etc.
5. Sometimes a first date might just be spending time in a mall such as MixC or Coco Park, and having coffee or tea. Something different to her usual experiences.
6. The most important thing is to be personable and make the girl feel comfortable with me and have a relaxing and fun time together.
7. Then we usually wander the plaza shops. There are often stalls where cheap stuff is sold. Could be a phone cover, necklace or if at Dongmen Pedestrian Street even a blouse or shorts or similar. Generally, she finds something that she likes and I offer to buy it for her.
8. After shopping, I suggest we go to my place for some reason such as to process and email photos on computer etc. Often we just used to jump in a taxi and tell her at that time. Once she has accepted that, I knew that I was well on the way, although a couple of times disappointment followed when she tells me that her auntie has arrived.
9. Additionally, I think that it is important to dress well (not "tropical formal", a term which some readers will remember from the last century). So definitely no sandals, shorts or T shirts. The SYT will most probably make an effort to dress up to look good for you.
10. BTW, good dress sense also impresses the SYT. I would have already given her my business card (Chinese and English) and my title would have impressed her. My apartments have been in good communities. So, basically no ostentatious display of wealth. Good dress and demeanor and she feels comfortable.
11. Most SYTs that I have dated have not, in the short term, pursued me, wanted anything more than a good time, food that they not not otherwise eat, practise English etc, etc, I have never had a Chinese SYT (non WG) girl say she loved me even after dating for a couple of months. This is a cultural issue, so be careful not to cause problems when one breaks up with SYTs.
12. The only cash money that I would normally give to the SYT would be for a taxi home, although often (if we had clicked), I would go with her in the taxi and return home after seeing her safely to her residence (usually some crappy dormitory).
13. WRT to the ChangSha girl that I pursued for years, the fact that I banged her sister, mother and auntie were purely coincidental. No wooing or money involved! I did help the family with their son's university cost plus a used laptop and a few other things. But holy sh*t, there was no way that they knew I had any involvement with other members of the family. But I still regret not achieving success with the "Classical Han beauty"!
14. Over the years I have given some money to a few other SYTs that I have dated, who I knew were in genuine need. In total, it would be about the same amount of money that I spent on 4 trips (14 days total?) to ChangPing (admittedly, we did splash out in CP).
15. Of course there were other expenses dating a SYT on an ongoing basis.
16. I enjoy the chase and it is great to be able to be able to pick and phone a SYT at short notice and have a willing partner for the evening, and it is also great fun to chase a SYT who is 40 or more years younger than oneself.
17. This has not been an exercise in self-aggrandizement. When I estimate the number of SYTs that I have met and banged, the total looks pitiful (certainly less than one per week). During my early times in China, I was very green and spoke no Chinese.
18. This pitiful average also includes dates using ChinaLoveLinks (or whatever it is called now) and WeChat during its early days from 2011 through 2013, when it was a great source for meeting freebies.
19. I don't know if I could calculate a success rate. Is a smile that is not returned a failure? Is a chance meeting of a SYT via a common acquaintance a success? Probably pointless exercise. However I learnt from my years in the Philippines not to get addicted to the ease of winning and banging freebies.
20. WRT my age, I am not particularly handsome, but have developed my personality over the years. Many Chinese at companies where I worked thought that I was about 45.
21. Additionally in SZ it is very common to see SYTs with older (in fact often very old) Chinese guys. The subject of 'ernai' in China (and in particular SZ and DG) is a whole cultural topic by itself. Thus the age difference was never a problem, whether the SYT was just wanting to have a good time or a longer serious relationship.
22. I have even had the experience of the female owner of a coffee shop come and chat with me and ask which of her 5 girls (staff) I liked. All of the girls would have been in the 16 to 18 age range. She said that they would like to date me (the girls turned their back to us to hide their embarrassment).
Whew!
Ikksma
P.S. I shifted to Hua Hin in Thailand just over a year ago with my long time SYT who I mentioned earlier and in many other posts. But I still do some consulting work in SZ.
I will try and answer your questions and points in sequence. Hope the end result makes sense! I am specifically addressing the dating of relatively unsophisticated SYTs who have not lived in cities like SZ for more than a year or so. If I was dating, say a girl who had worked in a business corporation at a professional level for a number of years, then I would modify my tactics accordingly.
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22. I have even had the experience of the female owner of a coffee shop come and chat with me and ask which of her 5 girls (staff) I liked. All of the girls would have been in the 16 to 18 age range. She said that they would like to date me (the girls turned their back to us to hide their embarrassment).
Whew!
Ikksma
P.S. I shifted to Hua Hin in Thailand just over a year ago with my long time SYT who I mentioned earlier and in many other posts. But I still do some consulting work in SZ.&#老牛吃嫩菜; lao niu chi nen cai! Old cow eats tender grass!
Burn Notice
07-17-16, 05:08
In the years 2000 , when a western foreigner was walking to a bar even dress like a schmuck, he was the immediate attention of the hot girls. Any WG was gone work him immediately.
My observation since a year now that I am back in Beijing, it's no longer the case. WG #1 target are now rich Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Singaporean.
Asking 3000 rmb to a western foreigners its $450 US, that's a lot of money. Asking 2 or 3 times that amount to some Asian guys is nothing for them.
One Mongolian girl (tall and stunning) told me that she was accepting me as a customer at this very low price because I was no problem for her and live near her place in Beijing.
I was paying her 2000 For one evening including dinner once a week and I was thinking that was pretty good. Then I started to ask questions and she told me that for a weekend with a Korean or Singapore guy she gets easily 10000 rmb just to be beside them during the weekend. Any trip in Thailand or somewhere else she gets 5000 per day no problem. For party when Japanese comes in town she could get 25000 but her and her friends need to fuck the group.
She is the mistress of some rich Chinese guys driving luxury cars and giving her very expensive gifts all the time.
She started to tell me that foreigners were problem for her as we were to much counting our money and vere cheap in her eyes. I told her that her value of money was a bit distorted and she was lucky to have access to that kind of guys who are obviously rich.
She showed me pictures of her friends, all very good looking but some honestly do not qualify for that lifestyle, all with this rich kids or Asian guys. Non with westerners. Time to leave the big city. The rich Asian are ruining it for us!
DougTheHead
09-20-16, 18:15
Chinese guys becoming rich / moving up to middle class will ruin China and Chinese women, not just for foreigners but for everybody.
They don't know how to handle girls. They throw tons of money at them and shower them with gifts, and probably don't even get any sex in exchange in most cases.
P.S. I shifted to Hua Hin in Thailand just over a year ago with my long time SYT who I mentioned earlier and in many other posts. But I still do some consulting work in SZ.You mean you are in Thailand together with the girl of whom you had fucked her mother and auntie?
Very interesting report.
I personally find it too much work to pursue any girls anymore just for sex.
Even sex starts to get old.
Except if she seems to be my soul mate and there is love involved as well, which almost never happens.
Why not choose a Thai beauty, instead of taking a Chinese one to Thailand?
Do you prefer Chinese girls in some way?
Hua Hin seems beautiful. I may check it out, to move there myself.
P.S. I shifted to Hua Hin in Thailand just over a year ago.I would like to go to Hua Hin for holidays this month, and rent an apartment for one month there. Can you recommend anything, or do you know of an apartments to rent for one month?
You can PM me if you want, or leave a comment here.
TW.
You mean you are in Thailand together with the girl of whom you had fucked her mother and auntie?No! My long term SYT is not part of and unknown to the family that I have written about in a number of reports. And the main reason that I wrote about the family was that I was unsuccessful in bedding the real beauty in the family.
Very interesting report.
I personally find it too much work to pursue any girls anymore just for sex.
Even sex starts to get old.
Except if she seems to be my soul mate and there is love involved as well, which almost never happens.
Why not choose a Thai beauty, instead of taking a Chinese one to Thailand?
Do you prefer Chinese girls in some way?
Hua Hin seems beautiful. I may check it out, to move there myself.My P4P and freebie chasing gradually decreased as the relationship with my SYT developed. When I made the decision to shift to Hua Hin, I was surprised when she said she would like to come with me, and also surprisingly we negotiated a good arrangement and I was happy to bring her with me.
It is in effect, a marriage. The arrangement has worked well since shifting there after CNY2015, Soulmate? I don't know! Actually, I probably do prefer Chinese girls (or East Asian) although there is of course a great variety and I could generalize and say I found Hubei girls conniving bitches and Sichuan girls hot-tempered etc etc.
I still travel on contract work occasionally, and she has her internet business.
I have sent you PM regarding Hua Hin itself.
Ikks.
{S N I P}Actually, I probably do prefer Chinese girls (or East Asian) although there is of course a great variety and I could generalize and say I found Hubei girls conniving bitches and Sichuan girls hot-tempered etc etc.
Ikks.I received a (friendly) PM chiding me about my characterization of Hubei girls. A number of ISG posters have critically acclaimed Hubei (or Wuhan) girls as being the prettiest and best in China.
I thought I might expand on my differing opinion (which concurs with the opinion of some other long time posters here), and Chinese tradition.
Chinese from adjacent provinces sometimes call Hubeinese "jiǔ tóu niǎo" or nine headed birds (legendary phoenix dragon from Hubei province). It is a derogatory term and is generally understood to mean cunning or sly. The association in meaning comes from the traditional legends, and a number of versions are recorded.
Even Hubei locals call their girls "jiǔ tóu niǎo" and the meaning has extended to being bossy, clever, conniving, wanting to make quick money and being averse to work.
I agree with this characterization. Do you?
Ikks.
OldAsiaHand
12-12-16, 22:25
I received a (friendly) PM chiding me about my characterization of Hubei girls. A number of ISG posters have critically acclaimed Hubei (or Wuhan) girls as being the prettiest and best in China.
I thought I might expand on my differing opinion (which concurs with the opinion of some other long time posters here), and Chinese tradition.
Chinese from adjacent provinces sometimes call Hubeinese "jiǔ tu niǎo" or nine headed birds (legendary phoenix dragon from Hubei province). It is a derogatory term and is generally understood to mean cunning or sly. The association in meaning comes from the traditional legends, and a number of versions are recorded.
Even Hubei locals call their girls "jiǔ tu niǎo" and the meaning has extended to being bossy, clever, conniving, wanting to make quick money and being averse to work.
I agree with this characterization. Do you?
Ikks.Ikks,
Many mongers group the girls from Hunan / Hubei in the same category because the provinces are close together. IMHO, they are worlds apart. I agree with you that most of the Hubei girls are sly and cunning and deliver the least amount of service in the shortest period of time. Whereas, the Hunan girls are more sweet and innocent types with a desire to please.
Just my POV.
OAH.
DreamingInt
01-24-17, 12:48
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Recently I received a WeChat message from a girl I chatted up some 5 years ago. She asked me to help her get a BF / husband and sent me copious photos.
She had intermittently communicated with me in the past hoping to develop a relationship with me. I originally met her at Nanjing airport, told her I was 45, and gave her my mongering Wechat ID. She was 18 at the time, so she is now 23/24. I have forgotten her hometown but she works in Nanjing and her parents seem to be relatively affluent as she flew home quite often and judging from the photos that she has sent me over the years.
Anyway, if anyone is interested, PM me and I will pass on her WeChat ID and a few photos. What does she look like? Neither ugly nor spectacular; she is slim and probably about 158 cm; not a model type that Chinese guys would madly chase.
Ikks.
A high school friend of mine sent me a link, which discussed women refusing to give men blow jobs. Deprivation of oral sex by Chinese women has happened to me so frequently in China that I just accept it as a matter of course. It is the same thing with Chinese women answering cell phones during a meal with me. They have done it so many times that I don't even bother making it an issue. It is just not worth it.I insist, before, that the phone is turned OFF.
If the precondition is not met, no date! I have it as a personal article of faith never to listen to another person's phone call. Not intended for me, so why should I listen.
What's important for your date: answering a beeping phone, or maintaining exciting conversation with me? Hahaha.
Just one of my pecadillos!
Enjoy and report.
P13.
I like the Chinese women in their thirties and forties best. They are so much more liberal sexually. They will do just about anything sexually: give head at the drop of a dime, swallow cum, partake in BDSM, fuck multiple times, demand pics, and send erotic texts. {S N I P}Do these characteristics apply to shengnu, married, and / or divorced women? And is this true of women from all areas of China, urban and rural, north and south? Just interested!
Ikks.
P.S. Have you ever been to China?
A Chinese woman texted me, "I want my mouth taste your cum again." I texted her to instead write, "I want to taste your cum again." She does not need the noun mouth, for it is understood that when you use the word taste you are referring to mouth, for one only tastes with their mouth. She also needed the preposition "to". I provide excellent grammatical instruction for many Chinese people, whom I interact with, both sexually and platonically, because not only do I correct their speech and writing, but I also explain to them why what they said or wrote is grammatically incorrect.Perhaps you could open an English language training school for women who want to be liberated?
I have often thought about opening a Mandarin (putonghua) training school for cabbies in China. Sometimes, . Only my feeling. I sense that their Mandarin (putonghua) is not standard!
Just my experience.
Enjoy and report.
P13.
{S N I P}For example, when I was in Shenzhen I noticed that close to half the city did not speak English and Shenzhen is rock throwing distance from Hong Kong,{S N I P}You are making a joke here? Right?
Ikks.
The Chinese virgin could follow my conversation at lunch. However, I had to provide definitions for all of the vocabulary words to her, as well as explain concepts to her. She only had a rudimentary understanding of how Deng Xiaoping's market reforms were initiated in 1978, launching the unsurpassed economic growth that China has seen during the reform era.So, there is an opening for you: to educate her. Not only on Deng XiaoPing but also about Adam Smith. Will you use Engish or Chinese as the medium of instruction?
Just my curious question for today?
Enjoy and report.
P13.
The Chinese girl that I met at the mall texted me tonight an hour before hour dinner date to tell me that she wanted to bring a female friend of hers. I texted, "Absolutely not. Two is company and three is a crowd. ".
She texted, "Only I a person go to is?
I texted, "Three people on a date is absolutely absurd. ".
She texted, "Well, I see. " Despite her English language deficits she definitely got the message. There was no way in God's green earth I was going on a date with her accompanied by her friend. Being the self-proclaimed dating expert that I am I gave her one of my intellectual diatribes, texting, "Unfortunately, it is a practice that still exists in China, even among the post 1990's generation. It exists because Chinese men allow it to continue. No sane and self-respecting Western man would ever go on a date with a woman that brought her friend along. " Basically, she did me a favour, for by telling me that she was going to bring her friend on the date she was insinuating, in no uncertain terms, that she had zero sexual interest in me and to think that I could possibly effectuate sexual interest in her for me at some later future date would be categorically absurd. What I don't understand is why she would spend two hours on a date with a guy she had no sexual interest in. Possibly, it was out of curiosity.I would rather think she was trying to arrange a meeting with a foreign guy for her friend.
Crazy Jim Wood
08-24-17, 11:17
Some Chinese women are conservative and won't have sex on the first date or even second date. I had one tell me that only bad girls have sex before second date. I told her well I am only in town for two nights and we met once before earlier in the day this is second time we are meeting. So she decided to have sex that night. And who knows playing a little cat and mouse game may make them feel romantic and get them excited etc. I recall I was a little tired from my travels and didn't feel like staying up all night getting her drunk etc which is another way to get around this no sex until after x number of dates game. I think when a a woman says that she is saying she wants to have sex just not tonight. If she is really not interested, she won't meet again. Or who knows maybe there is some other reason she is on her period or her stomach is upset etc. And some of these women want a serious relationship not just sex. Somehow putting on the brakes for one night makes them feel it is serious I guess. It's really not a big deal to wait another night (unless like me you did not have two nights). As for bringing a friend, it's not a big deal either, except I don't like to pay for two to eat when I only fuck one. So I suggest to meet at a cheaper place if there are two. Or I just tell her, we can all pay our own way then if it is a group event (sometimes this is just free meals with an interesting stranger and the woman is not at all interested in sex, but it's a chance to talk either of the women in bed, if they go out with a guy just for food they have loose morals and might eventually fuck who knows). But it's not unusual for a woman who is serious to bring a friend, and, if things go well, the friend will make excuses and leave you two alone. So I would accept a third person on a first date, but after the first date, no more third wheel, and I don't take third wheels to expensive places.
The Chinese girl that I met at the mall texted me tonight an hour before hour dinner date to tell me that she wanted to bring a female friend of hers. I texted, "Absolutely not. Two is company and three is a crowd. ".
She texted, "Only I a person go to is?
I texted, "Three people on a date is absolutely absurd. ".
She texted, "Well, I see. " Despite her English language deficits she definitely got the message. There was no way in God's green earth I was going on a date with her accompanied by her friend. Being the self-proclaimed dating expert that I am I gave her one of my intellectual diatribes, texting, "Unfortunately, it is a practice that still exists in China, even among the post 1990's generation. It exists because Chinese men allow it to continue. No sane and self-respecting Western man would ever go on a date with a woman that brought her friend along. " Basically, she did me a favour, for by telling me that she was going to bring her friend on the date she was insinuating, in no uncertain terms, that she had zero sexual interest in me and to think that I could possibly effectuate sexual interest in her for me at some later future date would be categorically absurd. What I don't understand is why she would spend two hours on a date with a guy she had no sexual interest in. Possibly, it was out of curiosity..
{S N I P} As for bringing a friend, it's not a big deal either, except I don't like to pay for two to eat when I only fuck one. So I suggest to meet at a cheaper place if there are two. Or I just tell her, we can all pay our own way then if it is a group event (sometimes this is just free meals with an interesting stranger and the woman is not at all interested in sex, but it's a chance to talk either of the women in bed, if they go out with a guy just for food they have loose morals and might eventually fuck who knows). But it's not unusual for a woman who is serious to bring a friend, and, if things go well, the friend will make excuses and leave you two alone. So I would accept a third person on a first date, but after the first date, no more third wheel, and I don't take third wheels to expensive places. The SYT might want to bring a girl friend if this is the first face to face meet, and you may turn out to be some weird crazed foreigner. If the SYT wants to bring the girl friend on a second date, then I would interpret it that she likes you, but wants to be just friends; so time to bail.
Ikks.
Henri Dufresne
04-08-18, 10:08
Can you tell me where this footage has been taken?
https://www.xvideos.com/video21275357/iphone_hq_escorts_no_big_money_no_fuck
I know it is very difficult to know the exact premise where it happens but I would like to know the city where it comes from. The women look Chinese for sure. The premise look kind of luxurious for a Chinese place. Could it be from Macau?
Some people said in the comments that it is a brothel in Taiwan, However, I believe that brothels are forbidden in Taipei.
Thank you in advance.
I was in China in late June and early July. My friend Ting in Beijing had been trying to get me to visit Xiamen with her for several years. I was kinda bored in Ningbo so decided to take the train down to Xiamen and let Ting show me around. Xiamen was nice but I soon got tired of all the shopping places Ting kept dragging me too. This has happened to me before with other Chinese women. It is like they enjoy having a man with them when shopping. Most of my experiences have been like this most recent experience with Ting, where she paid for everything so it was not like she took me shopping so I could buy her stuff. After Xiamen Ting talked me into taking a short trip to Phuket where I thought I would enjoy the beach and her great little body in a Bikini. She did look good in the hotel room in and out of the Bikini but outside she was covered up like a nun to prevent the darker skin, LOL. Anyway while in Thailand I found out about "Power King" and how you have to get to the airport three hours early for duty free shopping. She was on her phone sending pictures on Wechat to her friends and they would send her money to make purchases. I now refer to her as 'Ting Ting the shopping queen". It will be awhile before I let her know when I am in China.
StinkyFeet
09-05-18, 16:09
This is a mixed footage from several videos. It really has no meaning. The line up of girls in civilian clothing looks to be after the great crack down. Girl quality is quite good so I'm leaning towards Shanghai sauna.
Can you tell me where this footage has been taken?
https://www.xvideos.com/video21275357/iphone_hq_escorts_no_big_money_no_fuck
I know it is very difficult to know the exact premise where it happens but I would like to know the city where it comes from. The women look Chinese for sure. The premise look kind of luxurious for a Chinese place. Could it be from Macau?
Some people said in the comments that it is a brothel in Taiwan, However, I believe that brothels are forbidden in Taipei.
Thank you in advance.
Lately, I have been checking various Asian dating sites like AsianFeels. The women here are more marriage oriented, but a few are looking for a western boyfriend /. (Probably also marriage oriented). If you were to ask me, I'the say the profiles were real.
I haven't sent any money yet and before I do I wanted to check with a few members here to discuss their experiences, etc.
Many of the chats and messages from women seem unique and genuine. Can anyone comment or share their experiences and advice. Thanks.
Cap.
I would rather think she was trying to arrange a meeting with a foreign guy for her friend.I bet she said to her friend I have found European guy who wants to take me to dinner. Do you want to come along too. If nothing else we will eat well and drink well all at his expense know doubt?
I would of cancelled the date there an then. Or said "Lady I intend to feed you the fuck you as well. If you want to bring your friend along it okay". But she must know before hand that she will be expected to join in on the action in my hotel afterwards.
Sly.
Lately, I have been checking various Asian dating sites like AsianFeels. The women here are more marriage oriented, but a few are looking for a western boyfriend /. (Probably also marriage oriented). If you were to ask me, I'the say the profiles were real.
I haven't sent any money yet and before I do I wanted to check with a few members here to discuss their experiences, etc.
Many of the chats and messages from women seem unique and genuine. Can anyone comment or share their experiences and advice. Thanks.
Cap.Be careful with Chinese dating websites. Since you have been to China a lot you know that China is full of scammers. I tried a dating site several years ago that I forget the name of. Before I sent any money realized it was all a fraud. Best way to find out if the site is legit is to have the lady contact your Wechat account and continue the conversation there. If you don't have Wechat, get an account. Everyone in China has one.
Take care and good luck!
ChickPicker
10-07-19, 15:45
Although Tan Tan is marriage focused, many Chinese ladies use this app to find a date, typically when traveling without their husband. I live in Zhuhai which is sort of a holiday destination and these types of profiles come up all the time, same experience in Shenzhen. While not immediate, a few days preparation ahead of staying in a city usually does the trick. Tan Tan offers location spoofing, it's inbuilt. Say you're going to Shanghai, set your spoof location to that city a few days in advance. Like the hell out of the presented profiles. Same day success is also possible sometimes, but you'll have more choices if you prepare. The ladies I met like this have almost all become friends, soon I'll have a lady in every port Most have no English, I don't really speak Chinese, no problem, just don't be too direct in the chat unless the girl is.
I was in China in late June and early July. My friend Ting in Beijing had been trying to get me to visit Xiamen with her for several years. I was kinda bored in Ningbo so decided to take the train down to Xiamen and let Ting show me around. Xiamen was nice but I soon got tired of all the shopping places Ting kept dragging me too. This has happened to me before with other Chinese women. It is like they enjoy having a man with them when shopping. Most of my experiences have been like this most recent experience with Ting, where she paid for everything so it was not like she took me shopping so I could buy her stuff. After Xiamen Ting talked me into taking a short trip to Phuket where I thought I would enjoy the beach and her great little body in a Bikini. She did look good in the hotel room in and out of the Bikini but outside she was covered up like a nun to prevent the darker skin, LOL. Anyway while in Thailand I found out about "Power King" and how you have to get to the airport three hours early for duty free shopping. She was on her phone sending pictures on Wechat to her friends and they would send her money to make purchases. I now refer to her as 'Ting Ting the shopping queen". It will be awhile before I let her know when I am in China.This is interesting. I had a similar experience once with a Chinese girl in Dubai. Funny thing, sometimes I too just prefer their company instead of having to pretend and come-up with fake talk with a WG.
Was this friend Ting a WG or more of a friend with benefits?
Although Tan Tan is marriage focused, many Chinese ladies use this app to find a date, typically when traveling without their husband. I live in Zhuhai which is sort of a holiday destination and these types of profiles come up all the time, same experience in Shenzhen. While not immediate, a few days preparation ahead of staying in a city usually does the trick. Tan Tan offers location spoofing, it's inbuilt. Say you're going to Shanghai, set your spoof location to that city a few days in advance. Like the hell out of the presented profiles. Same day success is also possible sometimes, but you'll have more choices if you prepare. The ladies I met like this have almost all become friends, soon I'll have a lady in every port Most have no English, I don't really speak Chinese, no problem, just don't be too direct in the chat unless the girl is.Hi ChickPicker,
This is helpful. I've used Tan Tan to find dates before, but haven't really slept with anyone. I'm Chinese, and have been in the US for the last 7 years. Had plenty of mongering in NYC, where I used to work.
Now I'm back to Beijing, and I was familiaring myself with acronyms like Hidden Dragon and Wonderful Massage. This might sound ridiculous, but I actually have no idea how to look for places in Beijing, either "pink lamp" MPs (I have never mongered in China when I grew up. When I'm in NYC, I liked to engage with Eastern Europeans, sometimes Chinese or Korean) or indies. Any help appreciated here. I'm active on a forum called AMP Reviews, and if you travel to the US, feel free to reply to this message and we could chat.
Don't think I have the PM function yet.
Hi ChickPicker,
This is helpful. I've used Tan Tan to find dates before, but haven't really slept with anyone. I'm Chinese, and have been in the US for the last 7 years. Had plenty of mongering in NYC, where I used to work.
Now I'm back to Beijing, and I was familiaring myself with acronyms like Hidden Dragon and Wonderful Massage. This might sound ridiculous, but I actually have no idea how to look for places in Beijing, either "pink lamp" MPs (I have never mongered in China when I grew up. When I'm in NYC, I liked to engage with Eastern Europeans, sometimes Chinese or Korean) or indies. Any help appreciated here. I'm active on a forum called AMP Reviews, and if you travel to the US, feel free to reply to this message and we could chat.
Don't think I have the PM function yet.Try QQ and WeChat (微20449. It will take a while to get useful intel, but worth the perseverance.
Just my experience.
P13.
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