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Anyways, I know this is off topic in some way, but cl asked for it.
Actually, I regard it as on-topic. And it was not CL that asked the question, it was me. Thanks to those of you who have responded so far. More responses are welcome.
After reading your stories, I have gone from wondering why I don't meet normal, higher-class girls, to wondering why I don't have friends in high government positions and get invited to classy cocktail parties. But let's not answer that, I'm afraid this will go in circles. The bottom line, I guess, is that not being particularly high-class myself is what keeps me out of high-class circles.
Oh well, back to ho'ing. Cheers,
NC
Jackson,
I got a new one. But in China everything takes a bit longer than in the US. Money was not and is not an issue.
NC,
I agree that we would go in circles and everyone has different backgrounds as well. I just shared my experiences.
And yes - you popped the question. Apologies!
If you wanna go for a night tour one day, let me know.
Drinks are on me.
MAC2
Actually, I regard it as on-topic. And it was not CL that asked the question, it was me. Thanks to those of you who have responded so far. More responses are welcome.
After reading your stories, I have gone from wondering why I don't meet normal, higher-class girls, to wondering why I don't have friends in high government positions and get invited to classy cocktail parties. But let's not answer that, I'm afraid this will go in circles. The bottom line, I guess, is that not being particularly high-class myself is what keeps me out of high-class circles.
Oh well, back to ho'ing. Cheers,
NC
Tinybobo1002
09-20-05, 23:46
Actually, I regard it as on-topic. And it was not CL that asked the question, it was me. Thanks to those of you who have responded so far. More responses are welcome.
After reading your stories, I have gone from wondering why I don't meet normal, higher-class girls, to wondering why I don't have friends in high government positions and get invited to classy cocktail parties. But let's not answer that, I'm afraid this will go in circles. The bottom line, I guess, is that not being particularly high-class myself is what keeps me out of high-class circles.
Oh well, back to ho'ing. Cheers,
NC
Based on my experience in China, there are 3 methods to meet high class girls:
1. You are young and strong and have blonde hair and blue eyes. If you are old and ugly and weak, like me, forget it.
2. You have lots of greenbacks or tons of maple leaf lonnies. I dont, so have to settle with 150 rmb bbs or 800 ktv girls.
3. You are a big shark in beijing, or a not-very-big shark in small towns. I am not.
I am below average, so quite pleased with below average girls. A pop is still a pop.
Clandestine782
09-24-05, 14:13
If only I could *find* the type of girl who wanted a live-in relationship...
I have been reading the China Woman - Opinions and Advise thread for the past few weeks and want to offer my two cents worth.
First of all I need to give you my background so you can make your own judgment weather or not my point of view carries any more or less weight then the average poster here.
Although I was born in Hong Kong right after World War Two, I am not Chinese. My father was an American Army Air Force officer and my mother was a British Civil Servant attached to the Foreign Office.
I speak Putonghua (Mandarin), Yue (Cantonese), and Northern Min ( spoken in Fujian) and I also read and write.
How this came about is because I spent the first fifteen years of my life living in Hong Kong with full time servants that were instructed to speak to me only in Mandarian or Cantonese. I picked up N. Min from a few friends that I met later on as a young adult. The reason for the servants doing the upbringing is because my mother died from malaria when I was a few months old. That was a bit unusual for the times but not unheard of in Hong Kong right after the war.
At fifteen my father moved the both of us back to the USA and he went to work for the State Department as an Asia annalist. My education in HK was so good that when we moved back to the USA I was made a senior in high school and graduated at sixteen. I immediately entered an Ivy League school studying engineering and languages. Because of good old dad I joined the ROTC program. I found collage so dammed boring that the week after graduation I enlisted in the US Army becaming a second lieutenant right out of basic training.
The Army in its infinite wisdom shipped me to Vietnam where I spent the next few years without seeing one moment of combat except the cum shots fired in every ***** house in Saigon that I could find. I also picked up an excellent working knowledge of Vietnamese.
After my army career came to an end I moved to New York City and joined what is euphemistically called an OGA (other government agency). Finally my language skills were being used and I was given an intense immersion course in Spanish and shipped off to the best place in the world for *****ing, South America :)
After doing my part to rid the world of bad guys, I retired from government service and became a private security expert for hire. No one except the highest ranking person of any company I work for knows that I speak any language other than English. This way when I take my overseas assignments the people I am keeping in line are more at ease with me and say all kinds of crap that if they knew I understood would never be said in my presence. I use as a cover a local interpreter that has no clue that he or she is totally unnecessary. My biggest kicks come when when they take bribes from the people I am keeping in line and lie to me.
The reason I gave all this background is because I want the point I am about to make, to make a very long lasting impression upon you and I hope you will use the information to your advantage.
The point is, NEVER marry ANY local Chinese woman. If a local woman will have any kind of romantic relationship with you, they are nothing more than a prostitute in one form or another. Do not tell me that China has a changing society, or other left wing liberal bull shit. Chinese woman do not have relationships with non Chinese men unless they have an ulterior motive. If they will go to bed with you and you are not Chinese the woman is a *****.
Now we all know every rule has its' exceptions. These are the exceptions:
1-You have lots of money and the woman has even more money than you and her family is highly placed in the Party or the PLA.
2- Refer to number one because there is no number two.
Take my advise and years of experience for what it is worth. Remember it came for free on the internet so you should consider the source carefully.
Just remember, if you do not marry the woman you can not get into much trouble unless you do something very stupid, as in physically striking her or stealing money from her.
Marrying the woman opens you up to a world of hurt in ways you can not imagine.
China is not what you think it is, and unless you are born and raised in the culture, you will never understand the way it works and the way the Chinese think.
You are not Chinese and they are.
That last sentence sums up everything, and unless you understand that, you are doomed to misery by reacting with your emotions.
Do not trust the Chinese to act in any way other than their own personal self interest.
You are not Chinese and they are.
Cebu Local
09-25-05, 00:03
Hi Ex-Cop
Regarding your rules,What about If you have some money and the woman s family also has some money.Enough to send her to College abroad and the girl s Family is Mid level in the Party.A director in a State agency.I am curious on your opinion,There is self interest obviously in her part,She wants to marry rich and live in a big house with servants,shopping,lots of trips abroad etc.But I want to do more business in China and expand this area.She has already given me contacts that I have put to good use.We both want to get ahead with our lives and make lots of money.I am curious on your opinion on this area.Best Regards
Crazy Jim Wood
09-25-05, 00:12
If a local woman will have any kind of romantic relationship with you, they are nothing more than a prostitute... Chinese woman do not have relationships with non Chinese men unless they have an ulterior motive... Marrying the woman opens you up to a world of hurt in ways you can not imagine... you will never understand the way it works... You are not Chinese and they are.
Lighten up, there is danger in marrying a Chinese woman, but no more than in marrying any woman from any country. Chinese women are just as caring and affectionate, illogical, or selfish as women from any other country. In fact, a sophisticated North American, European, or even Thai (from what I have seen on the Thailand forum) is going to do a better job cleaning you out in a divorce than an unsophisticated Chinese peasant woman. Instead of saying we can't understand Chinese women because they are Chinese, you should say we cannot understand them because they are women.
How you make out with a woman is more about you and her than it is about the country she comes from.
I have never worked for an OGA but this is just commen sense!
Lubricate It
09-25-05, 00:40
As a monger who was looking for emotional attachment, I can see the dangers in becoming involved with a Chinese woman. Was torn to bits over an episode three years ago (mentioned in the first few posts in this thread, which was created after a suggestion of mine) and am extremely perplexed still in trying to understand not just one aspect, but a whole range of aspects of what happened. (and I've lived in Asia most of my life). The ex-Fed's opinion is worth considering. Avoid the angst.
I have heard exactly the same comment from other HK people, which is where I assume you have gotten this view too?
Although I would have to agree with you about being very careful about relationsips with Chinese girls, I think that the only cases of Chinese-Foreign relationships that I have seen working long term most often are ones where the Chinese is an artist and thinks differently to the herd.
The girls who would mentally be most incompatable with a foreign partner long term would be army or party background people, these types should be treated carefully. These are people who have benefited from the current system, why would they appreciate a western view?
I am here in Yunnan at the moment and I have seen more functioning JV couples here than in larger cities, maybe people here are less money driven??
Ex-Cop brings up some good points. I don't agree with all of them though. There are many Chinese women who I believe would qualify as potential spouses:
1) mature women by Chinese standards (over 26),
2) divorced (which typically places them upper 20's or more)
3) Wealthy or well off by Chinese or Western standards
4) Self-employed (in real business), owns real estate of substance, university educated, family well educated, etc
I know westerners that have married women in the above catagories and have been quite happy. Chinese women in the above catagories tend to be more pragmatic, very focused on the family (both her new one and her parents, brothers, sisters, friends). They are very supportive and will do whatever it takes to assist you with any problems you have living/doing business in China. The problem that you can encounter is not knowing who is a good girl and who is a bad girl. After being here for a number of years, one of my business friends taught me to know the difference.
As Sgt. Phil Esterhaus from Hill Street Blues used to say..."Lets be careful out there."
LA
Nice Guy 99
09-25-05, 01:07
Yes I think ex-Cop is a little over the top ...but, the words:
They are Chinese and you are not
... is a very useful perspective that we allought to bear in mind.
Cebu Local
09-25-05, 01:27
Yes I think ex-Cop is a little over the top ...but, the words:
They are Chinese and you are not
... is a very useful perspective that we allought to bear in mind.But you could just as well reverse it and say you are Canadian,American,Filipino,.......and She is NOT.Precisely the point is she cannot be expected to behave like a American,Thai,Filipina.......etc woman.It is all a matter of attitude.If it is very clear that she says what she wants out of life and you are clear with what you want,then you shouldnt have a problem if these two match.In my case,Her ulterior motive is to marry rich and make plenty of money using connections,politicians etc to help live a very comfortable lifestyle.Mine is to make money and grow my China business,Since my particular friend is helping me towards those goals,Our life goals match,She and I both see how using my connections in the Philippines and hers in China,We can both make money.Anyway just my 2 centavos opinion
Hi Ex-Cop
But I want to do more business in China and expand this area.She has already given me contacts that I have put to good use.We both want to get ahead with our lives and make lots of money.I am curious on your opinion on this area.Best Regards
I think you answered your own question :)
Shouldn't you be an ex-spook instead of ex-cop then?
A rose by any other name.....
Yeah, them AND ALL OF US WHO READ THIS BOARD.
And why would any one be interested in finding out who I am ?
I am sure it could be done, but I doubt anyone here would go through the time or effort to do so. I also doubt any one who is reading this is the subject of any of my employers. However I have been wrong in the past, but in this case I think I am on safe ground.
How you make out with a woman is more about you and her than it is about the country she comes from.
And she is Chinese and you are not. Her culture is almost genetically imprinted in her.
Ex-Cop brings up some good points. I don't agree with all of them though. There are many Chinese women who I believe would qualify as potential spouses:
1) mature women by Chinese standards (over 26),
This group is definitely looking for a meal ticket
2) divorced (which typically places them upper 20's or more)
See answer above
3) Wealthy or well off by Chinese or Western standards
They still have an ulterior motive called get to the top as fast as possible
4) Self-employed (in real business), owns real estate of substance, university educated, family well educated, etc
Very unlikely they will have anything to do with you unless they have been educated in a Western country and have learned to appreciate what comes along with a successful Western man ( and it ain't all as good as they think it is)
I know westerners that have married women in the above catagories and have been quite happy. Chinese women in the above catagories tend to be more pragmatic,
YES YES YES pragmatic is the word.
very focused on the family (both her new one NO NO NO
and her parents, brothers, sisters, friends). YES YES YES
They are very supportive and will do whatever it takes to assist you with any problems you have living/doing business in China.
Possibly, but only if will bring in more cash.
The problem that you can encounter is not knowing who is a good girl and who is a bad girl. After being here for a number of years, one of my business friends taught me to know the difference.
I think you are as most Westerners, you think you know the difference, but one day you will find out you were mistaken.
As Sgt. Phil Esterhaus from Hill Street Blues used to say..."Lets be careful out there."
Sgt Esterhaus was/is one of the worlds great philosophers.
As I said before this is just my humble opinion based on my life. Take it for what you think it is worth
As I said before this is just my humble opinion based on my life.
..and there we have agreement.
Blacklisted
09-26-05, 04:48
You sound to me like a man who has been severely hurt in past relationship/s with Chinese girl/s.
Yes, they're all nasty, hurtful bitches (even the American ones) looking to take your money.
It's a shame you have decided to denegrate an entire race based on your jaded viewpoint.
One more thing, I've grown up in the West, but that doesn't make me an expert on Western women, able to box them all into one group all with similar characteristics based primarily on ethnicity.
But in your case, it was an interesting, if not a little sad, post to read. I wish you all the best, should you choose mongering for the rest of your existence, or to settle down (obviously not with an Asian lady), but most likely with I'm sure, a nice, sweet, predictable, not-chasing-money, American girl.
I'm sure by doing so, you could avoid future pain, and live happily ever after.
To those who believe any of the cop's post, remember revenge and retribution through ill-repute on a particular race is nothing more than perfect racism. Something of which this world needs more of like a few more hurricane Katrinas.
Just 'my' two cents worth', for what they're worth.
-Tripper
I don't think Ex Cop is being racist, just cynical. That is due to years of experience dealing with deceitful people. However, I think he is generalizing.
My brother married a younger chinese lady from Shanghai 10 years ago and she is very nice. She didn't marry him for money, he doesn't have much and she now supports him. As for his first wife, an american, she was a total disaster! The yankee gal was the gold-digger who cleaned his clock. I think his advice would be to marry an asian gal.
That being said, anyone thinking about marrying a chinese girl should think very seriously about what Ex Cop had to say. These chinese gals are very "pragmatic", most of them are primarily thinking about economics, visas and connections. Ex Cop is obviously an interesting guy with lots of experience.
I agree with Ex Cop. For those of us interested in getting married, we must be careful with these gals, it's easy to make a mistake. Your cock can get you into a lot of trouble!
Just my 2 cents.
Cebu Local
09-26-05, 06:47
I guess I am not as cynical with as Ex-Cop because My experience is different,I am involved with a Shanghai girl who is western educated in Canada,Coincidentally also in the University of British Columbia,My alma mater.We are now doing business together with her contacts bringing in money for me.She doesnt need one cent of support from me,though I always pay for our dates,After her Philippine trip this October,we are going to the Maldives in November.She wants to marry rich and get richer,I am well off but want to work my butt off to be rich.So being both driven to make money,enjoying travel,high end living etc,We have similiar goals.I dont have a problem with Chinese girls being matieralistic,if that matches your life goal and She will help you towards your goals.I am happy so far and can only hope for the best
Blacklisted
09-26-05, 09:29
(from wikipedia: not the most 'reliable' of sources, but nonetheless')
Racism refers to beliefs and practices: (1) that assume inherent and significant differences exist between the genetics of various groups of human beings; (2) that assume these differences can be measured on a scale of "superior" to "inferior"; and (3) that result in the social, political and economic advantage of one group in relation to others.
I also can't confirm what Ex Cop wrote, most Chinese girls I have met over time appeared to be very nice people, but then again I've never been married to one and only had rather casual aquaintances.
If you're looking for a Chinese wife, avoid girls from the "entertainment" sector, e.g. night clubs etc., look for a college educated girl from a stable, healthy family background, maybe some regular work experience and normal life style (e.g. still lives with her parents, doesn't smoke, doesn't own three mobile phones, doesn't get up at noon etc.), then you will probably fare better than with most Western women.
You sound to me like a man who has been severely hurt in past relationship/s with Chinese girl/s.
Yes, they're all nasty, hurtful bitches (even the American ones) looking to take your money.
It's a shame you have decided to denegrate an entire race based on your jaded viewpoint.
One more thing, I've grown up in the West, but that doesn't make me an expert on Western women, able to box them all into one group all with similar characteristics based primarily on ethnicity.
But in your case, it was an interesting, if not a little sad, post to read. I wish you all the best, should you choose mongering for the rest of your existence, or to settle down (obviously not with an Asian lady), but most likely with I'm sure, a nice, sweet, predictable, not-chasing-money, American girl.
I'm sure by doing so, you could avoid future pain, and live happily ever after.
To those who believe any of the cop's post, remember revenge and retribution through ill-repute on a particular race is nothing more than perfect racism. Something of which this world needs more of like a few more hurricane Katrinas.
Just 'my' two cents worth', for what they're worth.
-Tripper
I find your pop psychological analyses of me quite amusing :)
My opinion is not based on their ethnicity, but on the culture and society they live in.
I am sorry to inform you that I was never deeply hurt by a Chinese woman. Quite the contrary Chinese woman have provided me with much joy.
I just happen to understand where they are coming from and never let myself get into a situation that was in danger of getting away from me.
Yes I will probably settle down soon, probably with a woman from Columbia, the Dominican Republic, or Panama. I will in all likelihood decide to retire and relax in one of those counties in the next year or so.
Since I have spent so much time working in Lain America I have come to appreciate the people and culture.
PS This edit is just to say in my original reply I was going to ignore the remark calling me racist, but since it made me laugh so hard I decided to edit the post to let you know.
I guess I am not as cynical with as Ex-Cop because My experience is different,I am involved with a Shanghai girl who is western educated in Canada,Coincidentally also in the University of British Columbia,My alma mater.We are now doing business together with her contacts bringing in money for me.She doesnt need one cent of support from me,though I always pay for our dates,After her Philippine trip this October,we are going to the Maldives in November.She wants to marry rich and get richer,I am well off but want to work my butt off to be rich.So being both driven to make money,enjoying travel,high end living etc,We have similiar goals.I dont have a problem with Chinese girls being matieralistic,if that matches your life goal and She will help you towards your goals.I am happy so far and can only hope for the best
Cebu Local:
I think in my reply to LoveAsia I covered your point well
My reply was:
"Very unlikely they will have anything to do with you unless they have been educated in a Western country and have learned to appreciate what comes along with a successful Western man ( and it ain't all as good as they think it is)"
I sincerely wish you lots of good luck in your relationship.
Well I fully agree with that. Mongering without a clear mind to control your emotion, the potential of getting into deep shit is high if you've got a good family already.
This is a real case which just happened to my sister, and worst still it's still ongoing. It started out with my brother-in-law being posted to Shanghai for an assignment for 1 yr in 2003 and he, like most of us, mongered around. Too bad, he got emotionally attached to this chick. When he relocated to another china city in 2004 and that's when my sis decided to joined him there with the kids, she found it out. The conclusion is he should leave the chick behind in Shanghai & they handled this in a matured way -- let bygone be bygone. And guess what, months after that, he also relocated the chick to Chengdu. Of course, like the chinese saying " paper can never cover fire". My sister found out & after some struggling months, they decided to come back to our own country - another asian city - in early this year.
Things started off fine but in april, he brought the chick to our country for a visit and all this while, he never denies still in contact with the chick. Now, best part is last week we found a rental receipt and as a matter of fact, we visitted the apartment a couple of days ago & caught them red handed. All these while he never think he had done anything wrong and could still afford to stress that she's only here for social visit! Guess he had just corssed the last line and they're now filing for divorce.
This type of stories have been repeated among my circles of friends who can't handle their own emotion when mongering. In short, there's always a risk there especially if you're in China & you mongers with emotion. For some of these chicks, to get hitch with a guy who can support her financially is simply a "must have" life survival skill.
That's my 2 cents opinion!
Mattrick - yes that is in extremely poor taste. Surprised you even have to ask that, given that many of the most respected members here in China are in fact Chinese. Please consider deleting it - it sounds like an american joke from the deeep south.
Sorry guys, I just had to break up this interesting discussion with this picture. If it is in bad taste, I will move it to the jokes section.
Mattrick
VERY poor taste for this thread.
Nice Guy 99
09-27-05, 12:50
Mattrick ... since you ask, the graphic you posted is in very poor taste. I suggest you delete it and not repost it anywhere.
but really poor joke. Especially when this board has many Asians as contributors.
LM is right, sounds like a redneck joke.
Bill
Mattrick,
I'm of Chinese descent. My Chinese friends and I occasionally crack dumb Yankee jokes. Yes, they are invariably in poor taste and smack of bigotry and prejudice. But we make it a point never to do so in the presence of an American. You think maybe we should?
Mattrick posted an old optical illusion that originally was supposed to be read from farther away from the computer monitor. Try it.
I do not find slanted eyes to be derogatory. It is nothing but an identifying characteristic of a particular human race.
Blue-eyed caucasians had also been known to discriminate against brown eyed caucasians. Calling someone or making some comment about a redneck might be just as offensive.
Race is a fact of nature. Trying to be superior in anyway (or worried about being inferior) is the basis of all conflicts whether it is by virtue of race, religion, wealth or intellect.
Why is it ok to tell racial jokes if it is directed at yourself? Why is it ok to use the "N" word if one is African American and not by any one else?
Afterall, if there is a funny joke, tell it. Just remember to be able to take one back. My place of work is like a mini-UN, we have accepted that fact and all jokes fly. I would not trade my co-workers for any others.
Just enjoy the forum, if something bothers you, let it go. I just hate to see more issues like SB, LongCU, JT etc here in WSG.
"I do not find slanted eyes to be derogatory. It is nothing but an identifying characteristic of a particular human race."
Lilojo:
Do you really think that Asians have slanted eyes and I guess their skin are really yellow too?
If you were Asian and some Caucasian you didn't know came up to you and call you "Hey slantty eyes, come here." You wouldn't smack the shit out of that guy?
I totally agree with the rest of your assessment but your take on slanted eyes lost me.
Bill
Blacklisted
09-28-05, 01:50
[QUOTE=Ex-Cop]I find your pop psychological analyses of me quite amusing :)
My opinion is not based on their ethnicity, but on the culture and society they live in.
"The point is, NEVER marry ANY local Chinese woman. If a local woman will have any kind of romantic relationship with you, they are nothing more than a prostitute in one form or another."
Noooo, that's not racist at all.... (cough, cough)
The judgement is, can you imagine the statement coming from someone else about the country you are from and the 'local women' there all being prostitutes if they go out with someone from another culture? I don't think so. Unless you really do need some mental assistance.
[QUOTE=Ex-Cop]I find your pop psychological analyses of me quite amusing :)
My opinion is not based on their ethnicity, but on the culture and society they live in.
"The point is, NEVER marry ANY local Chinese woman. If a local woman will have any kind of romantic relationship with you, they are nothing more than a prostitute in one form or another."
Noooo, that's not racist at all.... (cough, cough)
The judgement is, can you imagine the statement coming from someone else about the country you are from and the 'local women' there all being prostitutes if they go out with someone from another culture? I don't think so. Unless you really do need some mental assistance.
If you decide to quote me to make a point you should not use selective editing. Use the entire section that is relevant.
Begin Balance of my Quote
"Now we all know every rule has its' exceptions. These are the exceptions:
1-You have lots of money and the woman has even more money than you and her family is highly placed in the Party or the PLA.
2- Refer to number one because there is no number two.
Take my advise and years of experience for what it is worth. Remember it came for free on the internet so you should consider the source carefully."
End of my quote
Also take note that I specifically said local Chinese woman, that would exclude Chinese woman such as an ABC (American Born Chinese)
I stand by what I said and it is not racist.
Blacklisted
09-28-05, 04:53
I think what you said, despite as you say 'selective' quoting, was without-a-doubt racist. Obviously to quote the entire post would be wasteful.
Anyway, I don't want to try to change your mind or your post, it is what it is, and it would be a waste of my time.
I merely thought that such an obviously bigoted statement deserved to be rebutted, as this section is offering advice to people about Chinese women, and I think your view is extremely jaded and one-sided, despite your claims of being an expert.
You don't know everything about all Chinese women, and I don't know everything about all Australian women, or any women, because they are all different, no matter where they're from, their socio-economic status, or their cultural and social influences, and no statistical data or mere 'opinions' can make it otherwise.
Hopefully more inter-racial relationships and mixed children will eventually render opinions such as yours redundant, as I believe that these types of attitudes are the root of many of the world’s problems.
JMHO
Dear gentlemen,
The jest of this joke is suppose to be the opticle illusion. I'm sorry that some of you took it the wrong way. Like Lilojo, I work with people from many races and we are always poking fun at our differences. Anyway enough said, consider it deleted. Please return to regular programming.
Mattrick
Actually, whether or not the joke was racist is totally irrelevant, lets get back to the subject matter. I consider it much more problematic for somebody like "Ex-Cop" to claim that Chinese women who get romantically involved with Western men are nothing more than *****s.
Sure there are *****s, but the vast majority of Chinese women are not and it is not difficult to find ordinary girls in China either. Of course you shouldn't look in the same locations where you look for hookers.
Are you sure you aren't some jealous Asian man, "Ex-Cop"? Sometimes Chinese guys don't like Western men fishing in their pond.
If you look for a Chinese girl and want to avoid *****s, look for warning signals:
Does she work at night and sleep at the daytime? Does she have lots of cash and mobile phones? Does she live with her parents and have an ordinary job etc.
I think what you said, despite as you say 'selective' quoting, was without-a-doubt racist. Obviously to quote the entire post would be wasteful.
Anyway, I don't want to try to change your mind or your post, it is what it is, and it would be a waste of my time.
I merely thought that such an obviously bigoted statement deserved to be rebutted, as this section is offering advice to people about Chinese women, and I think your view is extremely jaded and one-sided, despite your claims of being an expert.
Obviously bigoted is your opinion, and as I said before what I write are my opinions based upon my life experience and should be taken for what you think they are worth.
You don't know everything about all Chinese women,
I never said I did
and I don't know everything about all Australian women, or any women, because they are all different, no matter where they're from, their socio-economic status, or their cultural and social influences, and no statistical data or mere 'opinions' can make it otherwise.
[QUOTE=Tripper In Town] Hopefully more inter-racial relationships and mixed children will eventually render opinions such as yours redundant, as I believe that these types of attitudes are the root of many of the world’s problems.
JMHO
Yes another one world socialist who thinks human nature can be changed, we can all live together in a large happy place and people like me are the cause of the worlds problems.
I suggest a dose of reality and a hard look in the mirror might do you a bit of good.
As far as I am concerned my comments on this aspect of this thread are done.
Enjoy :)
As far as I am concerned my comments on this aspect of this thread are done.
Enjoy :)Alright, we've read your opinion, now kindly stop trashing Chinese women and Western-Chinese relationships.
Guys, don't listen to this dude, Chinese women are good, not all of them, but very many. They also tend to be easy to get along with, just attempt to learn a little about their culture and expectations.
Of course the type of woman you end up with also reflects on yourself, if you're too dumb to choose a good gal, it may just be your own fault.
Blacklisted
09-28-05, 14:01
I also suggest a look in the mirror yourself may be of value.
I know the world isn't all rosy, but seriously, calling all the girls in one country prostitutes if they go out with guys outside their own ethnic group is pretty harsh, and also exceptionally untrue.
I urge you not to leave, but the choice is up to you. Everyone's opinion is valid and based on theri own life experience.
I also suggest a look in the mirror yourself may be of value.
I know the world isn't all rosy, but seriously, calling all the girls in one country prostitutes if they go out with guys outside their own ethnic group is pretty harsh, and also exceptionally untrue.
I urge you not to leave, but the choice is up to you. Everyone's opinion is valid and based on theri own life experience.
As you suggest I will still stay as an observer, and contributor to the board when I think a comment is called for.
Just a question: Has anybody here had experience with anal sex with Chinese hookers? I would like to try it once, but my impression is that most Chinese girls won't do it.
Ontario Boy
10-01-05, 20:14
In one of your recent statements you wrote"
"I am sorry to inform you that I was never deeply hurt by a Chinese woman. Quite the contrary Chinese woman have provided me with much joy.
I just happen to understand where they are coming from and never let myself get into a situation that was in danger of getting away from me."
Isn't it possible that there are other people like yourself that can find "joy" or are you an exception. IMHO you are sadly mistaken. I know many happy couples where the woman is "local" chinese as you define it and their partners are not rich or have much power to help them or their families yet in all outward appearances they are happy and in many cases have been together for a while. Would you call these women "*****s" ?
You seem to find Latin women more attractive but I can quote you many examples of relationships where latinas took their partners to the proverbial cleaners and were laughing as they did it. Are they indicative of the latin woman you want to settle down with??
In your opening references you speak of your past employment with or for another area of government,I would remind you it was the opinion of several of these "oag" s that Bin Laudin was not a threat and that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They must have used the same thought process you did to arrive at your opinion about "local" Chinese women.
In one of your recent statements you wrote"
"I am sorry to inform you that I was never deeply hurt by a Chinese woman. Quite the contrary Chinese woman have provided me with much joy.
I just happen to understand where they are coming from and never let myself get into a situation that was in danger of getting away from me."
Isn't it possible that there are other people like yourself that can find "joy" or are you an exception. IMHO you are sadly mistaken. I know many happy couples where the woman is "local" chinese as you define it and their partners are not rich or have much power to help them or their families yet in all outward appearances they are happy and in many cases have been together for a while. Would you call these women "*****s" ?
You seem to find Latin women more attractive but I can quote you many examples of relationships where latinas took their partners to the proverbial cleaners and were laughing as they did it. Are they indicative of the latin woman you want to settle down with??
In your opening references you speak of your past employment with or for another area of government,I would remind you it was the opinion of several of these "oag" s that Bin Laudin was not a threat and that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They must have used the same thought process you did to arrive at your opinion about "local" Chinese women.I fully concur, the Chinese girls I have met over the years have mostly been hard-working, with strong family values, basically soft on the outside with a diligent, ambitious and value-oriented core, quite the opposite of your typical Western woman that tends to be hardhearted on the outside with an irrational, demanding emotional mush inside.
Most of these girls were also exceptionally easy to get along with, basically East Asian societies tend to value harmony over conflict in social relations.
Chinese women are certainly better characterwise than average latino women as well, just look at how China is developing compared to Latin America, just compare Chinese immigrants to the US with your average Hispanic. I know one shouldn't generalize, that's why I specifically write "on average(!)", there are always exceptions to the rule. I wrote some specific advice below on how to filter out *****s and KTV-girls from ordinary Chinese girls.
The bigshot women whom "Ex-Cop" recommends are probably spoiled and demanding, rather go for middle class Chinese women. Besides, I have found that the higher up you go in Chinese society the more people there become character-swines and mafia types with whom it is probably better not to associate yourself, let alone get married to them.
In one of your recent statements you wrote"
"I am sorry to inform you that I was never deeply hurt by a Chinese woman. Quite the contrary Chinese woman have provided me with much joy.
I just happen to understand where they are coming from and never let myself get into a situation that was in danger of getting away from me."
Isn't it possible that there are other people like yourself that can find "joy" or are you an exception. IMHO you are sadly mistaken. I know many happy couples where the woman is "local" chinese as you define it and their partners are not rich or have much power to help them or their families yet in all outward appearances they are happy and in many cases have been together for a while. Would you call these women "*****s" ?
While joy and marriage are not mutually exclusive, one does not necessarily go hand in hand with the other. Outward appearance can be quite deceiving, example; how a person acts before as opposed to after marriage.
You seem to find Latin women more attractive but I can quote you many examples of relationships where latinas took their partners to the proverbial cleaners and were laughing as they did it. Are they indicative of the latin woman you want to settle down with??
In your opening references you speak of your past employment with or for another area of government,I would remind you it was the opinion of several of these "oag" s that Bin Laudin was not a threat and that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They must have used the same thought process you did to arrive at your opinion about "local" Chinese women.
As far as the OBL comment, first, the comparison of my thought process as to how an OGA reaches a conclusion is ridiculous on its face, and second your facts are wrong, it was the Executive branch of the US government that was down playing the danger of OBL. To the best of my recollection and from what I recall reading in the mainstream media, the intelligence community through out the world knew how dangerous OBL was.
Chinese women are certainly better characterwise than average latino women as well, just look at how China is developing compared to Latin America, just compare Chinese immigrants to the US with your average Hispanic. I know one shouldn't generalize, that's why I specifically write "on average(!)", there are always exceptions to the rule. I wrote some specific advice below on how to filter out *****s and KTV-girls from ordinary Chinese girls.
You are entitled to your opinion. My experience taught me a very different lesson.
As for Chinese woman being of better character, to the best of my knowledge genderside is not practiced in Latin America. This link http://www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html will allow you to read the entire story I quoted here:
"The phenomenon of female infanticide is as old as many cultures, and has likely accounted for millions of gender-selective deaths throughout history. It remains a critical concern in a number of "Third World" countries today, notably the two most populous countries on earth, China and India. In all cases, specifically female infanticide reflects the low status accorded to women in most parts of the world; it is arguably the most brutal and destructive manifestation of the anti-female bias that pervades "patriarchal" societies. It is closely linked to the phenomena of sex-selective abortion, which targets female fetuses almost exclusively, and neglect of girl children."
What kind of character does a won have when she decides to kill her new born daughter for economic reasons ?
The bigshot women whom "Ex-Cop" recommends are probably spoiled and demanding, rather go for middle class Chinese women. Besides, I have found that the higher up you go in Chinese society the more people there become character-swines and mafia types with whom it is probably better not to associate yourself, let alone get married to them.
Again you are entitled to your opinion and my life experience has been expressed in my previous posts.
What kind of character does a won have when she decides to kill her new born daughter for economic reasons?I would blame the Chinese government and their cruel one-child policy. Besides, this may be behaviour practiced by some poor villagers, not by typical girls in the cities you are likely to meet. How about still posting an article detailing how some Chinese supposedly eat boiled human fetuses.
BTW, what do the following statistics which are not just racist rumor mongering and hearsay tell you about the average character and abilities of Hispanics:
http://www.hcreo.org/about/crisis.html
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"# Hispanics are the most undereducated major segment of the U.S. population according the National Council of La Raza.
# The number of Hispanics who cannot read adequately is 54%.
# Less than 6% of Hispanics hold a four-year college degree.
# Latinos lag drastically behind in post-secondary education achievement.
# Hispanic dropout rates have remained between 30% and 35% over the past 25 years, and is 2.5 times the rate for blacks and almost 4 times the rate for white non-Hispanics.
# Hispanics have the highest teen birth rate – 69% higher than the national average. For Hispanics, the rate is 165 per 1,000 girls aged 15-19 and the overall U.S. rate is 97 per 1,000 girls of the same age."
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17717
"Hispanics lead drunk-driving arrests, accidents
Federal study: Car crashes 3rd-leading cause of death for Latinos"
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http://www.isteve.com/Crime_Imprisonment_Rates_by_Race.htm
"Hispanics have a 3.7-times-higher rate of imprisonment that non-Hispanic whites"
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I could also mention that in all these statistics, whether you're talking about education, teen pregnancy or crime Chinese do very well, clearly better than Whites in the US.
People are people - everywhere on earth. The older I get, and the more I travel around the world, the more I am convinced of that. If 5% of the women in the USA or any other developed country are absolutely vile, horrible people, then my guess is that that is about the percentage in China, or Brazil, or India.
Gendercide is a horrible fact of life, no doubt. But to spin that somehow into an ethical indictment of a nations women is beyond my level of understanding. In a patriarchal society that is extremely poor, has high levels of illiteracy, and low levels of education, (I guess) some people here want to blame the women for such horrible pratices. Not me. They need our help, not our scorn.
Bob Builder
10-04-05, 08:51
I don't think that the woman in almost all cases makes the decision of aborting a female fetus on her own. And it is easy to deride this practice saying it is an "economic practice" making it sound as if it is a decision between buying this year's new SUV or keeping the old one when the reality is that families are fined an amount equal to several years of their household income and the child is decline wlefare benefits such as free schooling and medical care.
The irony of it is that most factory workers are female and I have come across many female workers in normal and mongering situations that provide the majority of the cash income for their families including financing the brother's education and marriage. Asked what the male members of the family do? - Nada!
Wow! I didn't know that Hispanics were such horny young fuckers. Sounds like we should all be spending more time mongering in the US where they are poor, uneducated, young and horny.
Blacklisted
10-04-05, 12:24
Excellent response Lao Ma, but I guess you can't convince someone with such an obviously skewed sense of humanity as poor old Ex-Cop.
We should possibly offer our sympathies, and hope that one day he will see the big picture.
Ex cop: I still think some Chinese chick fucked you over big time, despite your denials...
I would blame the Chinese government and their cruel one-child policy. Besides, this may be behaviour practiced by some poor villagers, not by typical girls in the cities you are likely to meet. How about still posting an article detailing how some Chinese supposedly eat boiled human fetuses.
I would blame the people that kill the child and not a faceless government official in Beijing. We are responsible for our actions and we always have a choice in what we do. As for eating fetuses could you tell me how they taste ? Since I am an Ex-Cop don't you think I would be fascinated as to how this new and rare delicacy for me tastes ?
BTW, what do the following statistics which are not just racist rumor mongering and hearsay tell you about the average character and abilities of Hispanics:
http://www.hcreo.org/about/crisis.html
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"# Hispanics are the most undereducated major segment of the U.S. population according the National Council of La Raza.
# The number of Hispanics who cannot read adequately is 54%.
# Less than 6% of Hispanics hold a four-year college degree.
# Latinos lag drastically behind in post-secondary education achievement.
# Hispanic dropout rates have remained between 30% and 35% over the past 25 years, and is 2.5 times the rate for blacks and almost 4 times the rate for white non-Hispanics.
# Hispanics have the highest teen birth rate – 69% higher than the national average. For Hispanics, the rate is 165 per 1,000 girls aged 15-19 and the overall U.S. rate is 97 per 1,000 girls of the same age."
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17717
"Hispanics lead drunk-driving arrests, accidents
Federal study: Car crashes 3rd-leading cause of death for Latinos"
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http://www.isteve.com/Crime_Imprisonment_Rates_by_Race.htm
"Hispanics have a 3.7-times-higher rate of imprisonment that non-Hispanic whites"
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I could also mention that in all these statistics, whether you're talking about education, teen pregnancy or crime Chinese do very well, clearly better than Whites in the US.
What the above statistics say is that the Hispanics that are living in the USA either legally or illegally were the most disadvantaged of their native country before they came to the US. They brought their poor social skills with them and produced a following generation not much more adept at becoming productive members of society.
The above statistics have nothing to do with Latin or South America. I am sure that I could come up with a group of statistics showing poor performance of Chinese in all aspects Chinese society. The Chinese that caome to the USA seem to do quite well, however that can not be said of the hundreds of millions living in rural China.
I would blame the people that kill the child and not a faceless government official in Beijing. We are responsible for our actions and we always have a choice in what we do.Oh, what choices does a peasant woman have in China, can she do anything about a tyrannical government forcing her to only have one child or a tyrannical husband/family that wants a son to help with the field work?
The more totalitarian a society is, the fewer the choices are, just look at North Korea, practically no choice there whatsoever.
Anyway, if you think ordinary Chinese women condone killing babies you frankly don't know much about Chinese women.
The above statistics have nothing to do with Latin or South America. I am sure that I could come up with a group of statistics showing poor performance of Chinese in all aspects Chinese society. The Chinese that caome to the USA seem to do quite well, however that can not be said of the hundreds of millions living in rural China.Well, to compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges, show me any society in which Latinos and Chinese coexist and Latinos do similarly well as the Chinese. Also there are functioning Chinese-dominated societies like Taiwan, Hong Kong or Singapore, there is no well-functioning Latin American society.
I also don't go to the Latin American section and tell them how trashy their women and societies are, so what is the sense in you coming here and spreading negative propaganda about Chinese women? Just to start an argument?
Prince Leo
10-04-05, 17:43
I am not going to commend on the Hispanic, or the PC term is Latino, part because I am not Latino, and I don't have much similarity of what they go through. But interms of blaming China's infantcide problem on the One-Child Policy is a bid too much. Infantcide problems exisits with many societies. For thousands of years, China has been a society that is male-dominant. Female infantcides has been there since the beginning of the earliest dynasties. The One-Child Policy still enforced in China, but yet infantcide rate has reduced pretty signaficantly in the past few years. In today's society, low education rate is the cause of infantcide, not the One-Child Policy. Without this policy, China will be much worse, see India.
I would blame the Chinese government and their cruel one-child policy. Besides, this may be behaviour practiced by some poor villagers, not by typical girls in the cities you are likely to meet. How about still posting an article detailing how some Chinese supposedly eat boiled human fetuses.
BTW, what do the following statistics which are not just racist rumor mongering and hearsay tell you about the average character and abilities of Hispanics:
http://www.hcreo.org/about/crisis.html
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"# Hispanics are the most undereducated major segment of the U.S. population according the National Council of La Raza.
# The number of Hispanics who cannot read adequately is 54%.
# Less than 6% of Hispanics hold a four-year college degree.
# Latinos lag drastically behind in post-secondary education achievement.
# Hispanic dropout rates have remained between 30% and 35% over the past 25 years, and is 2.5 times the rate for blacks and almost 4 times the rate for white non-Hispanics.
# Hispanics have the highest teen birth rate – 69% higher than the national average. For Hispanics, the rate is 165 per 1,000 girls aged 15-19 and the overall U.S. rate is 97 per 1,000 girls of the same age."
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17717
"Hispanics lead drunk-driving arrests, accidents
Federal study: Car crashes 3rd-leading cause of death for Latinos"
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http://www.isteve.com/Crime_Imprisonment_Rates_by_Race.htm
"Hispanics have a 3.7-times-higher rate of imprisonment that non-Hispanic whites"
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I could also mention that in all these statistics, whether you're talking about education, teen pregnancy or crime Chinese do very well, clearly better than Whites in the US.
Prince Leo
10-04-05, 17:58
Phil1980
You must be still in school, or just graduated in the past year or so. If I am not mistaken, you are born in 1980, that makes you 25.
Have you watch any Chinese News lately or growing up? You mentioned that Taiwan and Hong Kong as "functioning Chinese-dominated society". How often do you see that there are physical fights during Taiwan's congressional meetings? Very often. Hong Kong was a very well-known society in the world prior to its return to China for three reasons, one being it is a trade center in Asia; second, it is very diverse, third, it is known to have tons of Dark Society or Mofias. Hope you know these facts until you mention them as functioning societ.
Oh, what choices does a peasant woman have in China, can she do anything about a tyrannical government forcing her to only have one child or a tyrannical husband/family that wants a son to help with the field work?
The more totalitarian a society is, the fewer the choices are, just look at North Korea, practically no choice there whatsoever.
Anyway, if you think ordinary Chinese women condone killing babies you frankly don't know much about Chinese women.
Well, to compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges, show me any society in which Latinos and Chinese coexist and Latinos do similarly well as the Chinese. Also there are functioning Chinese-dominated societies like Taiwan, Hong Kong or Singapore, there is no well-functioning Latin American society.
I also don't go to the Latin American section and tell them how trashy their women and societies are, so what is the sense in you coming here and spreading negative propaganda about Chinese women? Just to start an argument?
Phil1980
You must be still in school, or just graduated in the past year or so. If I am not mistaken, you are born in 1980, that makes you 25.
Have you watch any Chinese News lately or growing up? You mentioned that Taiwan and Hong Kong as "functioning Chinese-dominated society". How often do you see that there are physical fights during Taiwan's congressional meetings? Very often. Hong Kong was a very well-known society in the world prior to its return to China for three reasons, one being it is a trade center in Asia; second, it is very diverse, third, it is known to have tons of Dark Society or Mofias. Hope you know these facts until you mention them as functioning societ.Here, look at these homicide statistics for example:
http://www.info.gov.hk/police/hkp-text/english/statistics/homicide.htm
In 2004 there were 45 homicides in Hong Kong which has approximately 7 Million inhabitants, makes roughly 0,6 murders per 100000 inhabitants.
Now look at these statistics from Brazil, where many people simply disappear and never show up in any statistics, so the statistics underrepresent the actual murder rates:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/brazil/story/0,12462,1454763,00.html
The participation of off-duty police officers in death squads is a sinister feature of the poor suburbs to the north-west of Rio de Janeiro, in a region known as the Baixada Fluminense. Here the homicide rate is 76 per 100,000, compared with 50 per 100,000 in metropolitan Rio de Janeiro, one of the highest rates in the world.
So the homicide rate in Rio is roughly 80 times as high as in Hong Kong per capita.
Even compared to the US crime rates in Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan are low, just check out statistics for yourself.
Education statistics on these places also show them doing better than the US, not to mention Latin America, just search in google for TIMMS (Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study) or PISA, a test by the OECD.
From what I assess these places are in many ways better functioning societies than the US and above comparison with Latin America. How well a society functions says something about the people who built that society, in my opinion.
The Chinese have built up these places, because they are on average diligent, thrifty, family and business oriented, value education and have a low propensity towards violent crimes. Now they are rapidly building up China using these same qualities.
Most people in Latin America don't possess these qualities, that's why those countries are stuck in perpetual backwardness and mainly export drugs.
Oh, what choices does a peasant woman have in China, can she do anything about a tyrannical government forcing her to only have one child or a tyrannical husband/family that wants a son to help with the field work?
The more totalitarian a society is, the fewer the choices are, just look at North Korea, practically no choice there whatsoever.
Anyway, if you think ordinary Chinese women condone killing babies you frankly don't know much about Chinese women.
Phil you are absolutely correct!!! I know nothing about Chinese woman. Being born in Hong Kong, spending the first fifteen years of my life living there, and speaking three dialectics Chinese is why I do not know anything about Chinese woman or Chinese society and culture.
Well, to compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges, show me any society in which Latinos and Chinese coexist and Latinos do similarly well as the Chinese. Also there are functioning Chinese-dominated societies like Taiwan, Hong Kong or Singapore, there is no well-functioning Latin American society.
Do I smell a bit of hostility to Latinos when you write "there is no well-functioning Latin American society."
I think most of South America functions as well as if not better than the PRC.
I also don't go to the Latin American section and tell them how trashy their women and societies are, so what is the sense in you coming here and spreading negative propaganda about Chinese women? Just to start an argument?
Let me see, I am spreading negative propaganda about Chinese woman when I report that Chinese woman have been killing the female children born to them and this has been going on for hundreds of years. A fact is a fact even if you don't like it.
Cebu Local
10-04-05, 23:58
Do I smell a bit of hostility to Latinos when you write "there is no well-functioning Latin American society."
I think most of South America functions as well as if not better than the PRC.
Firstly I am not anti-Latino,But I have to correct a fact.China is now the Worlds 5th largest economic power haven overtaken Canada last year,It will overtake Germany and Britain in the next 2 to 3 years and is expected to overtake Japan in 10 years.Unfortunately there is no Latin American Society anywhere in the top 10 nor top 15,Brazil is no 18.The Chinese are on the way to become the 2nd largest power in the world,Can you name one Latino Superpower?????Excluding the United States which will not have a Latino Majority at least for 50 years.
I agree latinos know how to live and enjoy life,For example according to the newsweek survey despite poverty the Filipinos are happier then the Taiwanese.The Chinese people are generally not happy,richer but not happier.Just my 2 centavos opinion
Do I smell a bit of hostility to Latinos when you write "there is no well-functioning Latin American society."
I think most of South America functions as well as if not better than the PRC.
Firstly I am not anti-Latino,But I have to correct a fact.China is now the Worlds 5th largest economic power haven overtaken Canada last year,It will overtake Germany and Britain in the next 2 to 3 years and is expected to overtake Japan in 10 years.Unfortunately there is no Latin American Society anywhere in the top 10 nor top 15,Brazil is no 18.The Chinese are on the way to become the 2nd largest power in the world,Can you name one Latino Superpower?????
Cebu Local
I was not talking about the size of any Latin American countries economy. If I read Phil1980 correctly he was referring to how a society functions as a whole. Obviously no Latin American country comes close to the economic prowess of China, but then again none has a population of 1.3 billion with a dictatorship dedicated to making the country into super power status.
Last time I remembered, Hispanics are the most important minority in the US. Many facts and figures point that the US will be the United States of Latin America. The Free Trade Americas Zone will be the largest trade zone in the world and will shift economic power to some countries in Latin America and will also help consolidate US economic power. Although that may put me out of a job, it will happen in the next 20 years, after I'm retired or dead. Don't underestimate Latin America as many people underestimated China 20 years ago.
Phil you are absolutely correct!!! I know nothing about Chinese woman. Being born in Hong Kong, spending the first fifteen years of my life living there, and speaking three dialectics Chinese is why I do not know anything about Chinese woman or Chinese society and culture.
Actually, Phil is correct. As you pointed out, you were born and lived the first 15 years of your life in Hong Kong, not PRC. Hong Kong and PRC are have two different cultures. Second, you were a kid growing up in HK and had a kid's understanding of HK Chinese culture, not an adults understanding. Your childhood memories and interpretations were just that, memories and interpretations of a child.
I think most of South America functions as well as if not better than the PRC.
Specifically how do you define functions as well? Having been surrounded by South Americans my entire life and can claim 80% of my friends being from South America, they would likely have a different take on your definition of functions as well or better than the PRC.
I am not looking to start a flame war (or add to one) but your growing up in HK nor being an ex-cop gives greater legitimacy to your opinions.
Last time I remembered, Hispanics are the most important minority in the US. Many facts and figures point that the US will be the United States of Latin America. The Free Trade Americas Zone will be the largest trade zone in the world and will shift economic power to some countries in Latin America and will also help consolidate US economic power. Although that may put me out of a job, it will happen in the next 20 years, after I'm retired or dead. Don't underestimate Latin America as many people underestimated China 20 years ago.
I believe the original comments were about latin american countries/leadership and not latin americans. No question latin americans are a growing force in the US and help the US economy to grow. That was not the debate.
Actually, Phil is correct. As you pointed out, you were born and lived the first 15 years of your life in Hong Kong, not PRC. Hong Kong and PRC are have two different cultures. Second, you were a kid growing up in HK and had a kid's understanding of HK Chinese culture, not an adults understanding. Your childhood memories and interpretations were just that, memories and interpretations of a child.
My childhood memories are supplemented by both my former work with the government and my current work that takes me to the PRC, sometimes for extended periods. No flame war is under way and I don't like to participate in them and judging by your previous post neither do you
Specifically how do you define functions as well? Having been surrounded by South Americans my entire life and can claim 80% of my friends being from South America, they would likely have a different take on your definition of functions as well or better than the PRC.
I am not looking to start a flame war (or add to one) but your growing up in HK nor being an ex-cop gives greater legitimacy to your opinions.
When I say functions as well I am referring access to government services and personal freedom
Prince Leo
10-05-05, 01:47
I still say that Phil is born in 1980. He reminds me of being in a debate club in high school and/or college. Got to give him credit for doing his homework. But why go through such length to argue something on a forum that is pretty, should I say, unformal. Have a beer and chile, man. Don't get too worked up, like Long CU.
By the way, I spent my childhood near the GZ area, and I do visit China 2 or 3 times a year, each time about 3 to 4 weeks.
Phil you are absolutely correct!!! I know nothing about Chinese woman. Being born in Hong Kong, spending the first fifteen years of my life living there, and speaking three dialectics Chinese is why I do not know anything about Chinese woman or Chinese society and culture.What has you supposedly having grown up in Hong Kong got to do with the points you argue. I could find many people who have lived all their lives in China and would disagree with you. I grew up and live in Germany, that still doesn't make me into some kind of authority that can pass sweeping statements on and trash ordinary German women who go out with foreigners.
Let me see, I am spreading negative propaganda about Chinese woman when I report that Chinese woman have been killing the female children born to them and this has been going on for hundreds of years. A fact is a fact even if you don't like it.How many Chinese women have you met who have killed their babies? I could just as well post some articles on child abuse or various other social ills in the US or elsewhere, that wouldn't give you an accurate description of ordinary Americans or their relationships to their children.
My childhood memories are supplemented by both my former work with the government and my current work that takes me to the PRC, sometimes for extended periods. No flame war is under way and I don't like to participate in them and judging by your previous post neither do you./QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ex-Cop]When I say functions as well I am referring access to government services and personal freedom
No doubt we will sit on opposite sides of this particular issue so we might as well leave it at that and respect that we all will have differences of opinion.
Do we have personal freedom in the US anymore?
[QUOTE=Ex-Cop]My childhood memories are supplemented by both my former work with the government and my current work that takes me to the PRC, sometimes for extended periods. No flame war is under way and I don't like to participate in them and judging by your previous post neither do you./QUOTE]
No doubt we will sit on opposite sides of this particular issue so we might as well leave it at that and respect that we all will have differences of opinion.
Do we have personal freedom in the US anymore?
You can bet your butt we do, far more than any other country. I will even say that with a few miserable parts of the Patriot Act in force we have the most personal freedom of any country on earth.
We still have a second amendment: can you imagine any one party state allowing its citizens to own and carry firearms.
[QUOTE=LoveAsia]We still have a second amendment: can you imagine any one party state allowing its citizens to own and carry firearms.
BTW, in Nazi Germany people were allowed to own and carry firearms, please learn your history before posting.
OldAsiaHand
10-05-05, 08:55
Gentlemen,
Is the purpose of this thread to debate politics and societies? IMHO, the recent dialogue has digressed a bit far off the topic of "China Women". The forum is the InternationalSexGuide. Let's get back to discussing how to get the best sex from Chinese women whether they be hookers, freebies, wives, etc.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Ex-Cop]
BTW, in Nazi Germany people were allowed to own and carry firearms, please learn your history before posting.
Go look up the gun law of 1938 and then report back as to who could own guns.
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Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons
11 November 1938
With a basis in § 31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1928 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 265), Article III of the Law on the Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and § 9 of the Fuhrer and Chancellor's decree on the administration of the Sudeten-German districts of 1 October 1928 (Reichsgesetzblatt 1, p. 1331 ) are the following ordered:
§ 1
Jews (§ 5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt 1, p. 1332) are prohibited from acquiring. Possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.
§ 2
Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.
§ 3
The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the Prohibition in § 1 for Jews who are foreign nationals. He can entrust other authorities with this power.
§ 4
Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of § 1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine. In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years.
§ 5
For the implementation if this regulation, the Minister of the Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative provisions.
§ 6
This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts.
Berlin, 11 November 1938
Minister of the Interior
Frick
If you prefer the original German try this link
http://www.jpfo.org/NaziLawGerman.htm
Cebu Local
10-05-05, 13:40
[QUOTE=Phil1980]
Go look up the gun law of 1938 and then report back as to who could own guns.
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Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons
11 November 1938
With a basis in § 31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1928 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 265), Article III of the Law on the Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and § 9 of the Fuhrer and Chancellor's decree on the administration of the Sudeten-German districts of 1 October 1928 (Reichsgesetzblatt 1, p. 1331 ) are the following ordered:
§ 1
Jews (§ 5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt 1, p. 1332) are prohibited from acquiring. Possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.
§ 2
Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.
§ 3
The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the Prohibition in § 1 for Jews who are foreign nationals. He can entrust other authorities with this power.
§ 4
Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of § 1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine. In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years.
§ 5
For the implementation if this regulation, the Minister of the Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative provisions.
§ 6
This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts.
Berlin, 11 November 1938
Minister of the Interior
Frick
If you prefer the original German try this link
http://www.jpfo.org/NaziLawGerman.htmI agree with OAH,We are way off topic with Nazi Gun laws,General info maybe??But Chinese Women????Just my humble observation
[quote=phil1980]
go look up the gun law of 1938 and then report back as to who could own guns.
so what? jews by that time were no longer considered germans, they had the legal status of undesirable aliens with all what that entails. actually guns in germany were only confirep001ed once the us troops had occupied the country in 1945 and today in supposedly free germany we have way stricter gun laws than at any time before 1945.
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/harcourt_nazigun.html
"changes in 1938
it helps to read the 1938 nazi gun laws closely and compare them to the earlier 1928 weimar gun legislation, as a straightforward exercise of statutory interpretation. the 1938 nazi gun laws actually liberalized the weimar republic's gun-control measures regarding possession and carrying by making these restrictions applicable only to handguns, lowering the juvenile age from 20 to 18 and extending carrying permits from the previous one-year limit to three years."
this is not meant to glorify nazism, just to disprove your theory that one-party states outlaw private possession of firearms, which is basically nothing more than nra propaganda, so they can slander their opponents.
another example of a one-party state in which very many people owned private firearms was iraq under saddam hussein, as the us has discovered since its invasion. now the us is trying to confirep001e the private guns there as well, basically repeating their act of "liberation" of 1945.
gentlemen,
the purpose of this forum is to provide for the exchange of information between men on the subject of finding women for sex.
let's get back to the subject.
thank you,
jackson
[quote=ex-cop]so what? jews by that time were no longer considered germans, they had the legal status of undesirable aliens with all what that entails. actually guns in germany were only confirep001ed once the us troops had occupied the country in 1945 and today in supposedly free germany we have way stricter gun laws than at any time before 1945.
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/harcourt_nazigun.html
"changes in 1938
it helps to read the 1938 nazi gun laws closely and compare them to the earlier 1928 weimar gun legislation, as a straightforward exercise of statutory interpretation. the 1938 nazi gun laws actually liberalized the weimar republic's gun-control measures regarding possession and carrying by making these restrictions applicable only to handguns, lowering the juvenile age from 20 to 18 and extending carrying permits from the previous one-year limit to three years."
this is not meant to glorify nazism, just to disprove your theory that one-party states outlaw private possession of firearms, which is basically nothing more than nra propaganda, so they can slander their opponents.
another example of a one-party state in which very many people owned private firearms was iraq under saddam hussein, as the us has discovered since its invasion. now the us is trying to confirep001e the private guns there as well, basically repeating their act of "liberation" of 1945.
gentlemen,
the purpose of this forum is to provide for the exchange of information between men on the subject of finding women for sex.
let's get back to the subject.
thank you,
jackson
i agree :) i will keep on topic.
more woman less politics and especially less politicians
Jeeze, I hope the politicos didn't kill this thread.
Has anyone else found that many chinese women get obsessed with their careers and money? My ex wife was that way and this new student i have been bangin is too.
There are certainly benefits to them having outside interests, but it sucks when they are too busy for me. Any suggestions for effectively dealing with the problem would be appreciated.
Cebu Local
11-06-05, 00:56
Jeeze, I hope the politicos didn't kill this thread.
Has anyone else found that many chinese women get obsessed with their careers and money? My ex wife was that way and this new student i have been bangin is too.
There are certainly benefits to them having outside interests, but it sucks when they are too busy for me. Any suggestions for effectively dealing with the problem would be appreciated.
Clarification MOST Chinese Women AND Men are Obsessed with their careers and money.Thats why they are sucessfull with their careers and business.Remember what Deng said,To get rich is glorious.My only advice is to try to look for a slacker type woman.Good luck
Any advice on the best website to try online dating in China? I've seen thatsbeijing.com and thatsshanghai.com that look pretty active.
Sajer
Clarification MOST Chinese Women AND Men are Obsessed with their careers and money.Thats why they are sucessfull with their careers and business.Remember what Deng said,To get rich is glorious.My only advice is to try to look for a slacker type woman.Good luck
As my good friend Denny Crain said a few week ago. "At the beginning of every date, I just put the cash on the table. Everything seem to fine from there, especially with the hookers"
Cebu Local
11-07-05, 00:41
As my good friend Denny Crain said a few week ago. "At the beginning of every date, I just put the cash on the table. Everything seem to fine from there, especially with the hookers"
Very true with hookers and normal girls,Once you establish Whats in it for them and What you expect in return,Things should be fine.It is when expectations are not clear that problems occur.In my case,It was clear,She wants to get rich and get ahead with her life and So do I,So We are working on this together.Her contacts in her high profile job allows her to have access to a wide range of highly placed individuals in China.So while my High level Philippine connections have proven themselves useful.Bottom line,She has hooked me up with people in China that are generating lots of new business oppurtunities and money for both of us,"To get Rich is Glorious" is something I can live with,especially If we are the ones getting rich.We are defenitely going to the Maldives this coming Chinese New year and spending Christmas in Whistler.Work hard,Play hard
Clandestine782
11-21-05, 15:26
I've just saved myself 150RMB.
A hooker that I had the other day told me some things that didn't add up.
1. She was a teacher, but only 20 years old. I thought that you had to have some sort of degree to do this in China. One that would take a little longer than from the time that you graduated high school.
2. Her sister needed medicine for pneumonia, that only happened to come up after we had met.
3. There was no way she could go out and get a few extra customers for the money, because she was conveniently on her period. Nor did she have the numbers of any regulars or friends who could have lent her the money.
4. When we went to the hospital where her sister was supposed to be, I told her that I would pay for the medicine if she needed it. (This just happened to be the round amount of 150RMB.) But I made it clear that I would not give her the money. All of a sudden, she was too nervous to go to the pharmacy counter with me. Finally, I laid it on the line for her and aksed her if she wanted this medicine or not. She didn't, and her scheme was foiled.
Live and learn. But I'm glad I headed that one off at the pass.
Doctor_Skank
12-19-05, 23:28
I have had a few Chinese women, all pros, with whom I have had fairly unsatisfying sex. There seems to be little chemistry, or perhaps i am pushing the wrong buttons. They generally consider me attractive, so I doubt its that. I think its my sexual style. For what its worth, I am very successful with Western and Slavic women getting them off in bed.
Any ideas on what works for you guys out there that are successful with Chinese women?
I can't think of a more subjective question you could raise, Dr. S, with all due respect.
There is not one class of "chinese women" - there are all kinds - just like western women. Some are nympho's, some are frigid, some are in-between. Providers from China in a foreign country will be different that providers inside China. Pro's new to the game will be different than pro's who have been on the scene for years. Pro's who charge escort rates will be different than pros who walk the streets. Pro's who work in massage parlors and screw 5 guys a day will be different than pro's who turn 1 or 2 tricks per week. Pro's who were tricked into going to a foreign country, and who have their passports taken by unscrupulous pimps will be different than pro's who just want some shopping money. Pro's who can communicate well in english will be different than pro's who only speak chinese.
What are your circumstances ?
Gualtier Malde
12-20-05, 03:39
Well, Doctor_S, what buttons are you pushing? And what was unsatisfying? Many western women don't hesitate to fake orgasms - are you sure you are actually successful in getting them off? What do you do with them that you believe is very successful? And what do you do when you bed an Asian pro?
I have had a few Chinese women, all pros, with whom I have had fairly unsatisfying sex. There seems to be little chemistry, or perhaps i am pushing the wrong buttons. They generally consider me attractive, so I doubt its that. I think its my sexual style. For what its worth, I am very successful with Western and Slavic women getting them off in bed.
Any ideas on what works for you guys out there that are successful with Chinese women?
Master Cronin gives them flowers and has great success, maybe that will work for you too.
I just give them my wrinkled old red knob and they seem to be content with that. Ho ho ho.
Maybe the more you pay the more they groan!
OldAsiaHand
12-20-05, 14:06
Doc,
I am not sure if any pros really get off with customers. I do know alot of them fake enjoyment and pretend very, very well. And, I notice some of them get much wetter than others. DATY tends to work sometimes, but I do not do this that often. Is any of it real?
OAH
OAH, it does happen, I have experienced pro cummings, unless they have been incredible actresses, that can fake body and physiological reactions. If thats the case more power to them, I still had great times.
Sometimes its a matter of chemistry, if possible and the girl is open to it, I try to give her a good time. They get horny like everyone else and if the timing is right you strike gold.
Smelling good, being clean, decently dressed and seeing the girl more than once I think just adds to the chance that you could get more than you paid for.
My POV.
Cheers
Doctor_Skank
12-22-05, 08:39
Friends:
I realize it is a very general enquiry, but I think women of different cultures do behave differently in bed and have different expectations/needs/preferences. My circumstances? So far with Chinese women only on a pro basis, besides various business contacts and giggling girls at the mall, some of which even wanted to take my picture.
In any case, I have had several Chinese girls in HK and the Guangzhou area and was not really satisfied with our encounters. My encounters with Thais, Malay girls or Indonesians were much more satisfying, for me and (at least superficially) for them as well.
Sex with pros is a mixed bag... some of them hate having sex for money, others treat the job as just a job and try to offer good service and others actually enjoy it and get off. My Chinese girls seemed to be somewhere between hating the job and offering decent but unspectacular service.
Still, I somehow feel I am not connecting with them at all, which is of course compounded by an utter lack of language skills. I dont speak a word of Chinese beyond "nee how" etc. Essentially, if the sex wasn't good, I think I am as much of the problem as the girls, that's my attitude on this.
As I said I am quite successful with American, European and Slavic women... mostly on a non-pro girlfriend basis. Basically any type of women other than Chinese actually! Were my other successes faking? Excluding the pros, with whom I try to have good sex and sometimes succeed (depends on the provider of course and her willingness to allow herself to forget the job and enjoy herself), the vast majority of other girls weren't faking their pleasure. No need to go into detail on this, but I have more success than I can handle in that area.
But the Chinese, they just aren't working out for me.
So what am I doing wrong, what buttons am I failing to push?
Basically I use the same technique with the Chinese as with the others. Nice atmosphere, trying to make them feel comfortable, lots of kissing, maybe a massage, sexually a mix of tender and rougher sex, slow and fast rhythm, various positions etc.
They all complain about my size, but it isnt so that they've never seen anything like that before, so I figure the ones that complain are just lazy. Put it this way, the Thais never complain, they seem happy. I think the Chinese complain about everybody's size. Chinese girls in my experience are also lousy at sucking cock. Very teethy, uninspired, unskilled. Maybe I've just done a poor job selecting or had bad luck.
Most of the senior posters in this thread have had experience with dozens if not hundreds of girls. Is there anything that you find Chinese girls like in particular? Any common denominator with them? What works for you? What do you do to maximize the experience? I could write a book on dating and sexual relations with Russian women, but I am admittedly quite clueless when dealing with Chinese women. Any ideas are helpful. I want to have more interesting encounters as I am not satisfied with mere stick it in-pump-orgasm type encounters.
I'm suffering. Help! :)
I guess I'd posit that chinese girls, on the whole, aren't good at blowjobs. The ones that are are very good, and then there are those who are very bad. Very little middle ground. Maybe there is a cultural bias still that says oral sex is wrong - like the catholic girls syndrome. Don't know.
My disclaimer is that I monger almost exclusively in northern china -based on the reports, it seems southern china is a whole different story.
Mongolian girls, on the other hand, seem to relish a mouthful of man-naise.
Dr. S, is it your experience that all russian ladies have really dour/sad expressions on their faces ? Or is it just the ones I come across in China ? They just seem so... tragically unhappy. It's a big turnoff for me - I'll take a 6 or 7 with a happy outlook and big smile over a 9 or 10 who looks like some bug crawled up her butt and died
Doctor_Skank
12-22-05, 10:13
Lao Ma,
Most likely the Russian girls you meet in China are simply not happy to be there and dont like their work.
Generally speaking though, Russian girls can have a sour look on their face... its just their Slavic facial structure and the fact that people on the street don't really smile often. But if you meet "normal" Russian girls in a natural atmosphere or setting they are happy, wild, lovely people. Even a lot of Russian pros have good attitudes and have fun doing their work, sometimes even for free if they like you.
Youre lucky to have access to Mongolian girls, I am really keen on meeting some but so far haven't in HK. I know that they have certain hangouts (I do RTFF... :)) but haven't yet met any. My luck with Central Asian girls I've met in Russia (Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan) has been quite good. They are loving and passionate... maybe a bit shy at first, but they are essentially open to anything and friendly.
As for Chinese girls and their oral skills, I've yet to have a decent blowjob from one... but I know that there are good providers out there, there must be. I am just failing to properly access the market or properly motivate them.
You think you have problems? Listen to my pitiful tale.
I went into a shop and the girl said she wouldn't do a waiguoren because he is "tai da, too big". So to prove it is not always true I took my old red knob out and showed it to her. I then asked, "tai da ma? is it too big?".
She looked at it, paused a little and angrily replied, "bu shi, tai xiao!, no, it's too small!".
Dr Skank thinks he has probems?
Poor old Santa doesn't get any respect!
Merry Christmas bah humbug!
Gualtier Malde
12-22-05, 18:52
Santa, you poor sap, that is just TOO FUNNY!!! Thanks for the story.
I guess you could have pumped it up a bit, telling her "Just a sec, let me make it just right...".
Was the provider's name Goldilocks? :-)
David
You think you have problems? Listen to my pitiful tale.
I went into a shop in and the girl said she wouldn't do a waiguoren because he is "tai da, too big". So to prove it is not always true I took my old red knob out and showed it to her. I then asked, "tai da ma? is it too big?".
She looked at it, paused a little and angrily replied, "bu shi, tai xiao!, no, it's too small!".
Dr Skank thinks he has probems?
Poor old Santa doesn't get any respect!
Merry Christmas bah humbug!
It was christmas night at the brothel
And the snow lay chrisp upon the ground
In walked Jolly Old Santa
His face as bold as brass
He said, "I don't want christmas pudding
I want a piece of arse!".
I've had a lot of experience with Chinese women, ranging from HK, Taiwan, to Yunnan in SW China, from pros to freebies to GF's. As with women anywhere there's vast variation due to upbringing, ethnic differences, education, & region. My Chinese is only slightly better than yours.
They've all been passionate, fun, & orgasmic (I can feel their throbbing). But I must concur with you that never have I had a superior BJ. Also, face is paramount, so their chief fault, if you want to call it that, is being too prideful.
Just started reading The Asian Mystique: Dragon Ladies, Geisha Girls, & Our Fantasies of the Exotic Orient.
I hope it's not just another bitter screed by an American woman who is angry about being ignored in Asia while her countrymen are having the times of their lives.
I hope it's a bit more thoughtful. Anyone read it yet?
Blacklisted
12-27-05, 16:30
it was christmas night at the village,
fresh [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) and spit on the ground,
and there was jolly old santa,
several qing dao's raised to his mouth,
he turned to his friend tripper and said,
"santa wants to buy you a trip down south!"
谢谢你!!!
Diamond Head
12-27-05, 22:19
Yogin: Yes, I've read the book and found it interesting. I do think there's a bit of what you referred to, "the bitter American woman" etc. I also think I have an often unhealthy attraction to Asian women, especially Chinese, and the book helped me look at that objectively. Didn't cure me, I'm still as obsessed as ever. Reading it won't be a waste of your time IMHO.
Blacklisted
12-28-05, 03:25
Just started reading The Asian Mystique: Dragon Ladies, Geisha Girls, & Our Fantasies of the Exotic Orient.
I hope it's not just another bitter screed by an American woman who is angry about being ignored in Asia while her countrymen are having the times of their lives.
I hope it's a bit more thoughtful. Anyone read it yet?
I wouldn't mind checking it out. How is it so far? I am absolutely unashamedly hooked on Asian girls. Don't even look at western women any more, it's like they're simply not on the menu! I don't understand it myself...
Love Taipei
12-28-05, 06:07
western women are oblivious as to how their desire to be what they want to be make them completely unappealing, even if they are physically hot, they cannot deal with it.
When we say western, exclude the former Soviet bloc because the girls of eastern europe and even russia like to be women.
I wouldn't mind checking it out. How is it so far? I am absolutely unashamedly hooked on Asian girls. Don't even look at western women any more, it's like they're simply not on the menu! I don't understand it myself...
"The Asian Mystique: Dragon Ladies, Geisha Girls, & Our Fantasies of the Exotic Orient".
It is an interesting book. I read it several months ago. Nevertheless, It is written by an anthropologist and it can be dissapointing depending on the expectation you have.
If you want to know about the Asian culture, Asian women and Western men it is a very interesting book. I have learnt a lot reading it. But if you are expecting a book upon sex in Asia it will be highly dissapointing.
The basic thesis of the writer is interesting, and she builds her theory with a lot of evidences. Nevertheless, I am sure that most of the people will not agree with her.
Take care out there
Blacklisted
12-29-05, 11:28
Was about how westerners (due to Hollywood) project a one sided Asian mystique onto Asian women that is apparently untrue. It was quite an angry little article, I think written by a caucasian woman (they're so pissed off about being fat and ugly it's not funny), but held some merit.
I think Chinese women are very different and so much better in almost every way despite how Hollywood portrays them. I just like to watch Zhang Ziyi do some Kung Fu!
So to the shop goes Trigger
With a snigger on his face,
Without a good old shaggin'
There wouldn't be a human race.
He came back later
With a dirty slutty smile,
"Best fuckin' shaggin' I've done in a while!"
Cebu Local
04-20-06, 01:16
Ok,This is to announce that I basically am going to be in a LTR with a Chinese girl,SinCe I will propose later this year.For those of you unfamiliar with the background Me Canadian,38 Owner of Several Travel related businesses in the Philippines.She Shanghai Chinese 27,Western educated with a degree from University in Canada,Where She lived for 5 years.Working in Prestigous job at well known company in Shanghai,Well connected and earning well by chinese standards 14000 RMB monthly.We both are driven by the same passion to move ahead and get richer,Our relationship actually has brought financial benefits for both of us,Since Her connections have brought in lots of business for me,She in return has benefited from trips to Maldives,Singapore etc almost monthly now.So for those of you guys in a LTR with a Chinese girl what should I expect after ???I prepared a prenuptial contract to be filed in China and Canada.I have my position on helping family members and sponsoring clear etc.Family is OK with me,Dad is a middle level official in the Party and connected.So I dont expect them to be asking for support.In fact I have using their contacts instead to get deals with the Chinese state.
So Do these Women suddenly become jealous and possesive after the ceremony??Do you suddenly have 10 relatives virually living with you???Anyway looking for perspectives on being MARRIED to a Chinese Woman??Noting A western educated relatively well off Chinese woman as compared to a BBS girl.Thanks in advance to anybody who can provide insights.
Blacklisted
04-20-06, 01:42
Hi Cebu,
You're forgetting a very important factor that eliminates advice on such questions being the slightest bit useful.
She (your GF) is not one of 'these women', she is an individual with her own perspectives on life. Okay, so some cultural traits can be projected onto others from similar backgrounds, although a western education (in the very least) separates her from 'these women' anyway.
However, I'll give you some useless advice.
It sounds like you guys have a very happy, well balanced relationship which is not a one-sided rich old (usually white) guy with an eighteen yo Chinese girl.
If you are happy and want to spend the rest of your life with this chick, then fuck it, just do it!! Don't worry about what a bunch of mongerers think about it, most of us are jaded in terms of relationships anyway!!
Good luck!
Cebu Local
04-20-06, 11:59
Hi Cebu,
You're forgetting a very important factor that eliminates advice on such questions being the slightest bit useful.
She (your GF) is not one of 'these women', she is an individual with her own perspectives on life. Okay, so some cultural traits can be projected onto others from similar backgrounds, although a western education (in the very least) separates her from 'these women' anyway.
However, I'll give you some useless advice.
It sounds like you guys have a very happy, well balanced relationship which is not a one-sided rich old (usually white) guy with an eighteen yo Chinese girl.
If you are happy and want to spend the rest of your life with this chick, then fuck it, just do it!! Don't worry about what a bunch of mongerers think about it, most of us are jaded in terms of relationships anyway!!
Good luck!
Thanks,I just wanted to get some feedback If anybody has walked this path before.I got some excellent advice by PM.Thanks so much .Well I may be semi retiring later this year as far as FR s go,But I will still be around for the travel advice .So expect less FR s from me,but more general advice and travel tips in the future.Best regards
Please stay with us Cebu. We don't want to lose a friend.
I have been reading your many posts for years. Your contributions have always been highly respected and appreciated.
Cebu Local
04-20-06, 23:07
Please stay with us Cebu. We don't want to lose a friend.
I have been reading your many posts for years. Your contributions have always been highly respected and appreciated.Actually I have no plans to leave,But will cut back on my mongering activities,So I will have less FR s.,However I will still be very active on dispensing Travel advice and General Info,My future partner has an understanding attitude,She has told me that she knows men have needs and will TOLERATE occasional adventures as long they are NOT in the PI or China,when I am away on long trips.But nevertheless I really will be cutting back,since It is rare to find somebody with an understanding attitude .She is defenitely a keeper
Ok,This is to announce that I basically am going to be in a LTR with a Chinese girl,SinCe I will propose later this year.For those of you unfamiliar with the background Me Canadian,38 Owner of Several Travel related businesses in the Philippines.She Shanghai Chinese 27,Western educated with a degree from University in Canada,Where She lived for 5 years.Working in Prestigous job at well known company in Shanghai,Well connected and earning well by chinese standards 14000 RMB monthly.We both are driven by the same passion to move ahead and get richer,Our relationship actually has brought financial benefits for both of us,Since Her connections have brought in lots of business for me,She in return has benefited from trips to Maldives,Singapore etc almost monthly now.So for those of you guys in a LTR with a Chinese girl what should I expect after? I prepared a prenuptial contract to be filed in China and Canada.I have my position on helping family members and sponsoring clear etc.Family is OK with me,Dad is a middle level official in the Party and connected.So I dont expect them to be asking for support.In fact I have using their contacts instead to get deals with the Chinese state.
So Do these Women suddenly become jealous and possesive after the ceremony??Do you suddenly have 10 relatives virually living with you? Anyway looking for perspectives on being MARRIED to a Chinese Woman? Noting A western educated relatively well off Chinese woman as compared to a BBS girl.Thanks in advance to anybody who can provide insights.Having 10 relatives virtually living with you is something that happens in the lower rungs of society. It seems like she is well off and her relatives are too I assume. Like you said, she is driven and aggressive. She is probably indepedent, but I don't know her personality. If you are asking questions, is there some doubt in your mind?
Actually I have no plans to leave,But will cut back on my mongering activities,So I will have less FR s.,However I will still be very active on dispensing Travel advice and General Info,My future partner has an understanding attitude,She has told me that she knows men have needs and will TOLERATE occasional adventures as long they are NOT in the PI or China,when I am away on long trips.But nevertheless I really will be cutting back,since It is rare to find somebody with an understanding attitude .She is defenitely a keeperIt seems like she is secure and confident of herself. I doubt you need to worry about her being jealous or possessive.
Cebu Local
06-03-06, 23:03
It seems like she is secure and confident of herself. I doubt you need to worry about her being jealous or possessive.
You are correct about that,I will be seeing her this June in Shanghai and Proposing then,all doubts were cleared Cheers CL
Saturn Hsu
07-06-06, 20:04
Cebu,
I really like to input some opinions about you and your Chinese GF, or maybe the wife by now.
Before that, I must say in the past week, I went over all the 40 pages of messages on this thread, and benefited from everyone's opinion and expereinces.
Statistically, Cebu's gf is belonging to a very rare class amongst all Chinese women. Her oppotunity to study in UBC and income of 14000RMB comes around probably 1 in a million, and don't forget there is still 900 million Chinese that are peasant. Therefore, none of the traditional traits of Chinese women should be applicable to her.
What I am curious about is Cebu never once mentioned any shortcoming of this woman, and always have positive opinion about her. Since it is very difficult to really input any opinion to someone who is already biased. However, we are here to say what we have to say. To me, it is more like a business partnership then true love. The women agree to marry you because you're probably the biggest fish she could reach, and once her economic status has surpassed yours, you will be dropped. Nonetheless, you're financially secured with a prenupt, and should not worry too much abou the future.
Cebu Local
07-06-06, 23:42
Cebu,
I really like to input some opinions about you and your Chinese GF, or maybe the wife by now.
Before that, I must say in the past week, I went over all the 40 pages of messages on this thread, and benefited from everyone's opinion and expereinces.
Statistically, Cebu's gf is belonging to a very rare class amongst all Chinese women. Her oppotunity to study in UBC and income of 14000RMB comes around probably 1 in a million, and don't forget there is still 900 million Chinese that are peasant. Therefore, none of the traditional traits of Chinese women should be applicable to her.
What I am curious about is Cebu never once mentioned any shortcoming of this woman, and always have positive opinion about her. Since it is very difficult to really input any opinion to someone who is already biased. However, we are here to say what we have to say. To me, it is more like a business partnership then true love. The women agree to marry you because you're probably the biggest fish she could reach, and once her economic status has surpassed yours, you will be dropped. Nonetheless, you're financially secured with a prenupt, and should not worry too much abou the future.Well Actually She has shortcomings.She likes to shop a LOT,Travel extensively and go to nice Restaurants.She is high maintenance and thats why I got selected.I have no illusions that I was the Biggest fish she could find and was selected for Pragmatic reasons.However I dont think I will be dropped even If her economic status exceeds mine,Because by that time,We would have been together some time,Had kids etc AS LONG I remain well off and Nice to her.Remember I am aware of the Pragmatic nature of Chinese and She knows I am Pragmatic also.Hoping her recent conversion to Christianity might LESSEN that a bit.But I am watching my back and Given how many Mainland Chinese Males treat their wives,I kinda think a well off nice guy with a Canadian Passport offering her a upper class lifestyle abroad would still be a keeper.Hoping for the best Cheers
Traveler1234
07-07-06, 01:12
Ok,
So Do these Women suddenly become jealous and possesive after the ceremony??Do you suddenly have 10 relatives virually living with you???Anyway looking for perspectives on being MARRIED to a Chinese Woman??Noting A western educated relatively well off Chinese woman as compared to a BBS girl.Thanks in advance to anybody who can provide insights.
First, congratulations and best wishes.
Second, as ABC (actually CBA), married for close to 30 yrs to shanghainese wife, with mother and mother-in-law from same, welcome to the family. In my case, met my wife when she was still college student, dated for 3 yrs before proposing (and having fun with others during the same time in Taiwan) and i guess the saying is 'robbed from the cradle'!
I can tell you life won't be boring and as you mentioned in later post, very high maintenance. They're very pragmatic, you take care of them and they'll take good care of you. Make sure you have one boy and girl each.
:)
Cebu Local
07-07-06, 02:01
First, congratulations and best wishes.
Second, as ABC (actually CBA), married for close to 30 yrs to shanghainese wife, with mother and mother-in-law from same, welcome to the family. In my case, met my wife when she was still college student, dated for 3 yrs before proposing (and having fun with others during the same time in Taiwan) and i guess the saying is 'robbed from the cradle'!
I can tell you life won't be boring and as you mentioned in later post, very high maintenance. They're very pragmatic, you take care of them and they'll take good care of you. Make sure you have one boy and girl each.
:)Yes,You hit it on the nail,If you take care of them,They will take care of you.For example,She introduced me to a good contact in the Zhejiang Provincial Goverment that I will be able to use,BUT She expects me to take her to Langkawi for the October Holidays,A weekend in Korea in November and Christmas in the Philippines and New Zealand.Thank goodness I am a Travel Agent and can get free or discounted rates.Yes She indicated She wants at least 1 Boy and girl.She apparently has decided to have a Family ASAP which is a good sign.My family met her Family already and they hit it off,They are satisfied She is not from a Peasant Family and They are satisfied My Family is a well off educated family,Since My brothers and Sisters also own their own businesses with one brother graduating MBA in Harvard and the other in MIT.Best regards
OldAsiaHand
07-07-06, 15:11
CL,
When is the date? I expect an invitation my friend. I have a red bag ready.
All the best,
OAH
Traveler1234
07-07-06, 15:26
Yes,You hit it on the nail,If you take care of them,Best regards
Let's make sure our wives never meet or we'll both go broke.
Hope to catch up with you one of these days...just got back from 30 day tour in mid june, should be out again in late aug or latest mid sept. Missed manila this time around - next visit - maybe you'll show me the ropes (literally :) )
thought i would add some grist to the mill. met a shanghai girl who has been in the us for about 4 years.
she was nice from the beginning, invited me to lunch, paid it. next date, she invited me to dinner and wanted to pay! after that we took turns but if i drove she paid, we live about 45 minutes drive apart.
she confessed in the second date that she was married, separated but still legally hitched. she will be divorced sometime soon.
my previous american girlfriend was prettier and younger, so i didn't have much enthusiasm, but any port in a storm i guess. this woman was so giggly and seemed to laugh at anything i said, a very cheerful woman.
she firstly was extremely punctual and if we were to meet at some time, she was there 10 minutes early. if she said she would call, she would call. etc. very dependable, this is nice.
after a few dates and lots of sexual innuendos, we met and i took her to a motel, we had a blast. she was so open to sex and was not a prude although not that experienced. very accomodating and not a peep of complaint about anything i want to do.
she mentioned watching pornos so i suggested a "porno finish" so i often take it out and come in her mouth and she loves it.
she often says this refrain: "i want you to be happy".
she also says "if you are good to me, i will be good to you. i want you to live 100 years." etc.
i was laid up for a few weeks and she would drive up to see me, take care of me, fuck my brains out for 4 hours or so, then cook chinese dishes that she thought would help me get better.
i told her a little about the divorce set up in the usa and she said that it was confirmed by her lawyer, and she wants to reward me for my advice. she says that if she becomes wealthy through her divorce and her work, she wants to take care of me so we can travel together. she also mentioned that she is afraid of a man who is becoming rich, she believes a rich man will leave his woman for a younger woman, since this is common practice in shanghai.
she wants nothing of me but sex and companionship and wants to take good care of me. she's a doll!
and yet i am still always thinking of how to go after the vietnamese girl who gave me a manicure, ha, ha what is wrong with me?
i am extremely impressed by the chinese woman i know, but yrmv.
Cebu Local
07-08-06, 00:04
CL,
When is the date? I expect an invitation my friend. I have a red bag ready.
All the best,
OAH
Yes,You are certainly going to be Invited,See you in GZ soon,The Training seminar got moved to October in GZ,But might be in DG in Sept.Cheers
Cebu Local
07-08-06, 00:07
Let's make sure our wives never meet or we'll both go broke.
Hope to catch up with you one of these days...just got back from 30 day tour in mid june, should be out again in late aug or latest mid sept. Missed manila this time around - next visit - maybe you'll show me the ropes (literally :) )No problem,I will take you to all the "wrong places".Yes Shanghainese women are high maintenance compared to other Chinese women.Shopping together......A horribile thought.......
Ace Gallant
07-08-06, 03:04
Just on this topic.
A couple years ago; my friend and I monger in Japan. He will always use the excuse that he is going drinking with me at KTVs and I am the monger guy, I did the same as we pre-agreed that instead of keeping all of these away from the wives, we will use each other as an excuse.
However the world is a small place and it happens that our wives got to know each other from the Association of Overseas Chinese. Than they suggested to meet for lunch together with the husbands on one Sunday afternoon. They started talking, only to find out how naugthly we both had been.
Now both of us are Divorced!
What the moral of the story?
Leave the wives at home! Never have them meet!!
AG
CebuLocal,
This is probably off topic for the forum, but I wish you the best w/ your chinese GF. The fact that you are pragmatic (as is she) and are going to watch your back, w/o any illusions, will be major pluses in your relationship (as there will be no need to pretend to be what you are no).
Just on this topic.
A couple years ago; my friend and I monger in Japan. He will always use the excuse that he is going drinking with me at KTVs and I am the monger guy, I did the same as we pre-agreed that instead of keeping all of these away from the wives, we will use each other as an excuse.
However the world is a small place and it happens that our wives got to know each other from the Association of Overseas Chinese. Than they suggested to meet for lunch together with the husbands on one Sunday afternoon. They started talking, only to find out how naugthly we both had been.
Now both of us are Divorced!
What the moral of the story?
Leave the wives at home! Never have them meet!!
AG
Yes but aren't you happier now being free and be able to do all the beautiful girls in China :-)
Blacklisted
07-13-06, 06:13
Just on this topic.
A couple years ago; my friend and I monger in Japan. He will always use the excuse that he is going drinking with me at KTVs and I am the monger guy, I did the same as we pre-agreed that instead of keeping all of these away from the wives, we will use each other as an excuse.
However the world is a small place and it happens that our wives got to know each other from the Association of Overseas Chinese. Than they suggested to meet for lunch together with the husbands on one Sunday afternoon. They started talking, only to find out how naugthly we both had been.
Now both of us are Divorced!
What the moral of the story?
Leave the wives at home! Never have them meet!!
AG
Didn't you once tell me you NEVER cheated on your wife mate?
Ace Gallant
07-13-06, 06:42
Didn't you once tell me you NEVER cheated on your wife mate?
Hey.... mongering in KTV and drinking does not means we have to sleep with the KTV girl or pick girl for sxx!
My Definition: Monger and not have sxx with another female when you are married is not cheating your wife.
Don't know how other sees it!
But the female do not see it that way, the Asian female thinks that once you are married to her, you belongs to her. You are not to touch, hug, kiss, sit side by side or even talk dirty with any other female! So it take just a little for your wife to be jealous and just a little more for them to pull the plug!
AG
Ace Gallant
07-13-06, 06:46
Yes but aren't you happier now being free and be able to do all the beautiful girls in China :-)
I see it both ways. One can be happy regardless of whether you are married or not.
Advantage of been married: You do not have to call for delivery service or go to bars and pick up fast food, when you are hornny. Just jump into bed with your wife and have a nice meal!
Disadvantage of been married: It is the same menu you are eating everytime. N
AG
The way I see it, as long as you don't get emotionally attached to a girl, you are not cheating! I suspect (although I have never been drunk enough to actually ask it) that women would prefer you sleep with a complete stranger and never see them again, and have absolutely no feelings for them vs. having a close woman friend that you feel an emotional bond.
Just half joking. But only half.
No need to get married. Just find a gal you don't like and give her your house.
Same,same!
Santa the Cynic
The way I see it, as long as you don't get emotionally attached to a girl, you are not cheating! I suspect (although I have never been drunk enough to actually ask it) that women would prefer you sleep with a complete stranger and never see them again, and have absolutely no feelings for them vs. having a close woman friend that you feel an emotional bond.
Just half joking. But only half.
Actually that is the way a lot of Taiwan ladies feel about it. They don't mind if their husband sleep with different girls since everyone knows that the girls are just looking for money. The wives feel it is like getting a handjob in a massage without any emotion atachment. Since a lot of Taiwan guys goes to China for work and the wives have to stay in Taiwan in order to look after their kids therefore the wives know the husband will get lonely and therefore play around. Their only request is that the husband can not get the same girl twice and have to keep changing girls. What great wives.
Actually that is the way a lot of Taiwan ladies feel about it. They don't mind if their husband sleep with different girls since everyone knows that the girls are just looking for money. The wives feel it is like getting a handjob in a massage without any emotion atachment. Since a lot of Taiwan guys goes to China for work and the wives have to stay in Taiwan in order to look after their kids therefore the wives know the husband will get lonely and therefore play around. Their only request is that the husband can not get the same girl twice and have to keep changing girls. What great wives.
Csun
You are so correct. Many asian wives looks the other way. Just as long as you do not flaunt it infront of their faces, they will accept it that their husband will play around in china. I know of many asian businessman with girl friends in china. Another reason is that if their husband have a long term affair with a chinese (mainland) girl, it is very difficult for them to leave the mainland and since they can not leave the mainland to come over and cause a ruckus.
A lot of mainland mistress are content with just being a kept woman. They do not have to work and have a spending allowance from their overseas or hong kongese boyfriend. they are living much better than the local. They really do not want to rock to boat. just my point of view.
Ace Gallant
07-14-06, 00:28
Csun
You are so correct. Many asian wives looks the other way. Just as long as you do not flaunt it infront of their faces, they will accept it that their husband will play around in china. I know of many asian businessman with girl friends in china. Another reason is that if their husband have a long term affair with a chinese (mainland) girl, it is very difficult for them to leave the mainland and since they can not leave the mainland to come over and cause a ruckus.
A lot of mainland mistress are content with just being a kept woman. They do not have to work and have a spending allowance from their overseas or hong kongese boyfriend. they are living much better than the local. They really do not want to rock to boat. just my point of view.
OK, I don't know but may be both my ex-wives are those over sensitive type. Or would it be that they assumed that when a man goes to KTV or Bars they will pick up girls and eventually sleep with them? As one of the reasons they had put in the reasons for a Divorce is Adultery, although both of them did nt have any prove or evidance. Therefore the court rules that it should be changed to "Suspected Adultery". However both of them is not and will not be able to get any prove that I was cheating during that period I was married to them.
CSUN, I am not sure whether to agree or not agree with you; You can sleep with a female but not emotionally attached to her. But that does not means she is not emotionally attached to you. Besides Money and other motives, why would a girl sleep with you? There must be some emotions from her? On the other hand; If sleeping with another girl without emotion attachement is not cheating, than what will contributes an Adultery?
Adultery is one of the 4 main valid reasons in which the Marriage court can rule that a divorce is in order in Singapore and it is also one of the few main reasons back at home in USA.
AG
OK, I don't know but may be both my ex-wives are those over sensitive type. Or would it be that they assumed that when a man goes to KTV or Bars they will pick up girls and eventually sleep with them? As one of the reasons they had put in the reasons for a Divorce is Adultery, although both of them did nt have any prove or evidance. Therefore the court rules that it should be changed to "Suspected Adultery". However both of them is not and will not be able to get any prove that I was cheating during that period I was married to them.
AG
AG...
Maybe your exs' are a bit over sensitive. Most asian women from Asia takes the approach of "Don't Ask and Don't Tell" I never flaunts it and never discuss it. Csun maybe right. I do not have emotional attachment to those gals. I just make sure that i go through all my notes, pockets and luggage before returning making sure that there is no telltale signs.
Ahh... going through two divorce, I hope that i never have to go through one of those. I came close to one and was able to reconcile before it cost me bundles.. I learn to hide some of my assets in case that happens to me. I just want to make sure that I do not have to start back from scratch.
Hi Asian Gambler, I am just saying that if you sleep with a BBS or KTV girl, I don't think it SHOULD count as Adultery. I don't believe that you will get attach with a girl if you just see her once. I also don't think she will be attached to you emotionly if she only see you once also. This is the reason why a lot of my Taiwan friends will not take the same girl twice (they promised their wives). I am just wondering if you are caught with a hooker in the U.S., would this qualify as adultery? Is there anyone that is a lawyer on this board that can answer this question.
One of my U.S. friend was having basically the same discussion with his America wife. His point was that first, he was just looking for some phycial release when he was in China and the girl was just looking for some money from him. Since he does not speak any Chinese and she does not speak any English, he feels that there is no connection and his wife should not be mad at him. Plus he said that he worn a condom therefore he did not really have sex with her since none of his penis really touched her body. Believe it or not, his wife did not accept any part of his story :-) Women are not logical at all :-) It would be great if his wife bought into his logical story, now he can not come to China :-(
I don't think it SHOULD count as Adultery.
Plus he said that he worn a condom therefore he did not really have sex with her since none of his penis really touched her body. Believe it or not, his wife did not accept any part of his story :-) Women are not logical at all :-) It would be great if his wife bought into his logical story, now he can not come to China :-(Csun213,
That is truly a logical argument! I had a great laugh, thanks.
M
Plus he said that he worn a condom therefore he did not really have sex with her since none of his penis really touched her body. Believe it or not, his wife did not accept any part of his story :-) Women are not logical at all :-) It would be great if his wife bought into his logical story, now he can not come to China :-(
CSUN
I love your rationale that if a condom is worn then his penis did not touch any part of her body. You must have been the adviser to Clinton, coaching him to say that oral sex is not sex.... it is just a blow job.
I do not think my wife will buy that either. I would rather take the "dont ask, don't tell" approach. I believe that most women are angry when you get careless and let it be known that you "cheated" on them. It is more psychological with women. They just do not want to lose face. While us men are usually "thick skin" . I do not think that too many women would buy that stuff about wearing a condom and not actually touching the gal. I think it is funny.
Im an ABC, I have some understanding of putonhua, but i sometimes prefer to tell them that i understand very little, so that i do not have to engage in a long chat with them. i sometimes just do not want to hear some of their silly jibberish that they want to throw at you.
As for you (AG), on the third time around, maybe find a less sensitive gal to marry. Maybe a gal with a killer face and body, great cook/housekeeper, totally illiterate (can not read any of your confidential mail) and maybe also be a deaf mute and a nymphomaniac all to boot. If you find her and decide not to marry her, maybe i could use a gal like her for a mistress in China.
just my point of view.
Ace Gallant
07-14-06, 02:12
AG...
Maybe your exs' are a bit over sensitive. Most asian women from Asia takes the approach of "Don't Ask and Don't Tell" I never flaunts it and never discuss it. Csun maybe right. I do not have emotional attachment to those gals. I just make sure that i go through all my notes, pockets and luggage before returning making sure that there is no telltale signs.
Ahh... going through two divorce, I hope that i never have to go through one of those. I came close to one and was able to reconcile before it cost me bundles.. I learn to hide some of my assets in case that happens to me. I just want to make sure that I do not have to start back from scratch.
Just points to note:
My First wife is a White American and second is Asian.
I don't have problems with those stuff from girls besides my wife as I never sleep with them when I was married, so I don't get photos, tell tales signs or notes from the girls. I do my laundries at the hotel before I return home so I don't get lip sticks or perfume smell and I keep girls cell# on Secret mode in my cell.
I don't have problem with my problems with those Money stuff as they both bare my kids so it is my responsiblities to feed them and provide them with a good education but on the Assets, none of them got a piece of them.
AG
Phantomtiger2
07-14-06, 02:54
Don't know how other sees it!
But the female do not see it that way, the Asian female thinks that once you are married to her, you belongs to her. You are not to touch, hug, kiss, sit side by side or even talk dirty with any other female! So it take just a little for your wife to be jealous and just a little more for them to pull the plug!
AG
Although some asian women dont show it, believe me when I say they are all a jealous bunch. And sometimes the more educated the women, the worst they get (at least from my experiences) as they feel they dont need a man to support them as they are more financially independent.
In Singapore, just being seen walking out of a brothel in the Geylang red light district is almost a legal ground for a divorce if the wife was jealous enough.
PT
Ace Gallant
07-14-06, 03:04
Although some asian women dont show it, believe me when I say they are all a jealous bunch. And sometimes the more educated the women, the worst they get (at least from my experiences) as they feel they dont need a man to support them as they are more financially independent.
In Singapore, just being seen walking out of a brothel in the Geylang red light district is almost a legal ground for a divorce if the wife was jealous enough.
PT
I can't agree with you more than that!
AG
CSUN
As for you (AG), on the third time around, maybe find a less sensitive gal to marry. Maybe a gal with a killer face and body, great cook/housekeeper, totally illiterate (can not read any of your confidential mail) and maybe also be a deaf mute and a nymphomaniac all to boot.
just my point of view.
And she gotta havva bigga boom booms! :D
And she gotta havva bigga boom booms! :D
My friend just got a divorce. Lost about $2M to the wife, 50% of his 401K which was worth another $3M and the judge still order him to pay $5K a month in spousal support. At what she walked away with, she should be supporting my friend. Yes, she was educated but at the time of divorce has not work in the last five or six years and now she claims that even with the settlement she needs to find a job. Sad isn't it.
Something has to be done with changing divorce laws and make it equitable.
A good friend of mine just got divorced. She divorced him. His wife, a gal he loved very much, started seeing other guys. He tried to defend his family and honor by tell these other guys to stay away from his wife. She got a restraining order from the courts. He ignored the order "nobody is going to fuck my wife except me".
Well, now he is doing two years in jail. He has lost everything! Good job, house, kids, social life, freedom. He calls me sometimes from the jail. I send him phone cards and books.
Some guys are lucky and find the right gal, others are not.
Cebu, we all hope you are one the lucky guys.
Blacklisted
07-14-06, 11:29
Will you send me phone cards and books if I ever end up in jail?
:)
Will you send me phone cards and books if I ever end up in jail?
:)
I'll send you a large plastic blow-up doll. You can pimp her out to the other inmates :D
Well I have a few women I deal with and am thanking god at the moment I am not married nor have I ever been. I have a couple of friends that got divorced, but before the marriage, the guys in question moved all assets into off shore accounts and even transfered assets to their parents name and their parents basically willed it all back to them in case of death. Some lawyer set it all up so perfectly that when they got divorced (wives were in it for the bucks) they only lost a little bit. Something to consider for us mongers who live life on the edge.
As for protecting family and honor, I am still in favor of the boot rather than fuck up my life. If you cover your ass, she can cheat, you will find out and she is game over. Oh and Blacklisted, I will send you care packages too... liars dice might help you make a living on the inside :)
Clandestine782
07-24-06, 15:24
Some of you may remember that I posted on here a while back about being in a relationship with a girl who wanted 1,000RMB/ month as a companion. She had another boyfriend but said that he was obsessed with his job and did not pay her attention. Fine. For 1,000RMB/ month, I got about all the sex I wanted and a girl that got up and left on command.
Fast forward to another city and another job. This time I have met a girl from a KTV. A few interesting things. 1. She said that the overhead was so high that she only cleared 2000RMB/ month. I had her overnight for 800 and she said that the boss would take 600, of which 400 went into his pocket and 200 went to rental fees for the house. (As it happens, when I came to the place, they told me that there were girls for 1600 overnight-- at which I laughed hysterically and told them to show me the 800RMB girls.) 2. She had never had her carpet licked and I had to pry her legs apart in order to do this to her but she flailed all over the place when I did do it. 3. She is from this city. 4. When I told the boss that I was looking for a girl, he brought this one to me first jack out of the box. And the numbers that she told me for how much she got per customer were believable when I saw how fast she was willing to go with a black foreigner.
Of course, the question came up: Would you be willing to move in with me for 2,000/ month? She said that she would, but was curious about how I would pay her. Would it be monthly or weekly and if it would be in advance or not. I told her it could be weekly and in advance.
The question for you guys is: What are some things that I should consider in going into this "relationship"? This girl is hot as hell (to me), and 2,000 is something that I can afford. As it is, I don't want to spend any time on finding a girl in bars because I HATE bars and I HATE cigarette smoke and loud house/ techno music. It is not a foregone conclusion that I could get a girl this hot on my own.
This relationship may not last for more than 6 months or a year, but I am seeing it as a way to economize on my time. As it is, I only like to go running and lift weights. I'm a really boring asshole who does not like to drink and live the life of other foreigners here.
Cebu Local
07-25-06, 01:12
Some of you may remember that I posted on here a while back about being in a relationship with a girl who wanted 1,000RMB/ month as a companion. She had another boyfriend but said that he was obsessed with his job and did not pay her attention. Fine. For 1,000RMB/ month, I got about all the sex I wanted and a girl that got up and left on command.
Fast forward to another city and another job. This time I have met a girl from a KTV. A few interesting things. 1. She said that the overhead was so high that she only cleared 2000RMB/ month. I had her overnight for 800 and she said that the boss would take 600, of which 400 went into his pocket and 200 went to rental fees for the house. (As it happens, when I came to the place, they told me that there were girls for 1600 overnight-- at which I laughed hysterically and told them to show me the 800RMB girls.) 2. She had never had her carpet licked and I had to pry her legs apart in order to do this to her but she flailed all over the place when I did do it. 3. She is from this city. 4. When I told the boss that I was looking for a girl, he brought this one to me first jack out of the box. And the numbers that she told me for how much she got per customer were believable when I saw how fast she was willing to go with a black foreigner.
Of course, the question came up: Would you be willing to move in with me for 2,000/ month? She said that she would, but was curious about how I would pay her. Would it be monthly or weekly and if it would be in advance or not. I told her it could be weekly and in advance.
The question for you guys is: What are some things that I should consider in going into this "relationship"? This girl is hot as hell (to me), and 2,000 is something that I can afford. As it is, I don't want to spend any time on finding a girl in bars because I HATE bars and I HATE cigarette smoke and loud house/ techno music. It is not a foregone conclusion that I could get a girl this hot on my own.
This relationship may not last for more than 6 months or a year, but I am seeing it as a way to economize on my time. As it is, I only like to go running and lift weights. I'm a really boring asshole who does not like to drink and live the life of other foreigners here.I believe this relationship is very common in China and known as a Mistress.It has worked for many people and failed for others,But for 2,000 RMB for unlimited sex monthly is fair enough.Go for it
Cebu Local
07-25-06, 01:18
A good friend of mine just got divorced. She divorced him. His wife, a gal he loved very much, started seeing other guys. He tried to defend his family and honor by tell these other guys to stay away from his wife. She got a restraining order from the courts. He ignored the order "nobody is going to fuck my wife except me".
Well, now he is doing two years in jail. He has lost everything! Good job, house, kids, social life, freedom. He calls me sometimes from the jail. I send him phone cards and books.
Some guys are lucky and find the right gal, others are not.
Cebu, we all hope you are one the lucky guys.Thanks Santa,I hope so to,But I you see my post on the Shanghai thread I am covering my ass with Prenuptials filed in Canada,China and the PI as well as having spent a lot of time with her that we both have the same vision of getting rich TOGETHER.Plus we will NEVER live in North America,It puts too much oppurtunity for her to take me to the cleaners.Best Regards
I think many of these girls live lives of insecurity, fear and competition. By living with you she'll have a steady income, no rent, food paid and a guy to cuddle her for 3-4 times what she'd make back home.
WHY NOT ?? I'd give her a little extra - my style - to make her think you're not Scrouge.
I know a couple of guys who ended up marrying their maids. WHY?? they got full service, in every field. It's part of the subservient psychology of girls from poor backgrounds anxious not to lose what security they've got.
The only problem was when they were with business associates who couldn't hold conversations with the girl.
DO IT!!
Some of you may remember that I posted on here a while back about being in a relationship with a girl who wanted 1,000RMB/ month as a companion. She had another boyfriend but said that he was obsessed with his job and did not pay her attention. Fine. For 1,000RMB/ month, I got about all the sex I wanted and a girl that got up and left on command.
Fast forward to another city and another job. This time I have met a girl from a KTV. A few interesting things. 1. She said that the overhead was so high that she only cleared 2000RMB/ month. I had her overnight for 800 and she said that the boss would take 600, of which 400 went into his pocket and 200 went to rental fees for the house. (As it happens, when I came to the place, they told me that there were girls for 1600 overnight-- at which I laughed hysterically and told them to show me the 800RMB girls.) 2. She had never had her carpet licked and I had to pry her legs apart in order to do this to her but she flailed all over the place when I did do it. 3. She is from this city. 4. When I told the boss that I was looking for a girl, he brought this one to me first jack out of the box. And the numbers that she told me for how much she got per customer were believable when I saw how fast she was willing to go with a black foreigner.
Of course, the question came up: Would you be willing to move in with me for 2,000/ month? She said that she would, but was curious about how I would pay her. Would it be monthly or weekly and if it would be in advance or not. I told her it could be weekly and in advance.
The question for you guys is: What are some things that I should consider in going into this "relationship"? This girl is hot as hell (to me), and 2,000 is something that I can afford. As it is, I don't want to spend any time on finding a girl in bars because I HATE bars and I HATE cigarette smoke and loud house/ techno music. It is not a foregone conclusion that I could get a girl this hot on my own.
This relationship may not last for more than 6 months or a year, but I am seeing it as a way to economize on my time. As it is, I only like to go running and lift weights. I'm a really boring asshole who does not like to drink and live the life of other foreigners here.
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Alex,
First things first... "How would a working girl in her situation THINK about her boyfriend, if she didn't want to give up the money of her job?"
Working girls think of their boyfriends like any other girl thinks of their boyfriend - they love them. Your girlfriend was telling you the absolute truth. Sex with your boyfriend is VERY different to sex with a client. It's really hard to explain (I've tried it many times over the years in this thread) but when you work, it's like it's not actually you doing it. It's a whole other woman...your working persona.
I guess the closest thing I can think of to compare it to (and it's not really very close, I'm sorry) would be if you were a Gynocologist. You would spend every day with your head between women's legs and your fingers and hands inside their vaginas. You wouldn't feel any sexual excitement - every time it would be just another patient with just another pussy. But I'm sure Gynos don't feel the same way when they get a woman in their bed! They touch their patient's vaginas as a doctor and their partner's vagina as a lover. Does that make any sense? A working girl touches her clients as a professional sex worker - but she touches her partner as a lover.
That doesn't mean she doesn't ENJOY the sex with her clients though...and that's where your next question comes in, that there is really no simple answer for. Yes, when she's enjoying sex with her client, in HER mind it's her work persona having the fun. It's not her. It has no impact on her, emotionally. Her work persona may be having a great time, but the 'real' her is hiding deep inside and has absolutely nothing to do with what's going on. (Again, I know that sounds ridiculous, but it's really hard to describe what goes on in your mind in that situation and that's the nearest I can get!)
Thing is though - in YOUR mind, she is still having sex with another man. And she is, simple as that. The jealousy and fear and anger you feel about that, is TOTALLY VALID. That's why most sex workers either stay single or don't tell their partners what they do for a living. In our heads, we feel we're not doing anything 'wrong' for our relationship. We don't class it as infidelity because we know that there is no emotion involved, like there would be in an affair. As silly as it sounds, a hooker with a partner could have sex with five men a day at work and feel nothing- but if she went to a party OUTSIDE of work and fooled around with someone else, she'd be consumed with guilt for being unfaithful to her partner.
But that doesn't make it any easier on you, as her partner. You don't see her work persona performing a service for a living - you see your girlfriend having sex with strangers. It takes a certain kind of person, and a certain kind of relationship, to deal with that situation. Don't feel bad if you can't live with it - the majority of men couldn't. I can't tell you whether you should be with her or not. That's something only YOU can decide. But be honest with yourself...it WILL bother you. You WILL have trouble dealing with your feelings and there is a very good chance that you could become bitter towards her because of it. If you feel really strongly about the relationship and want to try again, then TALK to her about the way you feel...but don't try and make her quit. This is her income we're talking about, not some promiscuous lifestyle that she should give up to settle down. Eventually it will come down to one of you making a huge sacrifice - either she stops working, or you learn to live with your girlfriend being with other men. It CAN work, but it's a tough one and I wish you the very best of luck. x
Excellent post by Rubber Nursey and deserves Post of Distinction. Thank you Alex Rock for posting it here.
I still remember the name of the first prostitute I had sex with, Eva. She worked in the redlight district of Amsterdam. I told her I had never exchanged money for sex before, she answered "always a first time for everything".
She was a dead fuck, very mechanical and not girlfriendly. Very disappointing.
I asked her, "do you enjoy sex?" She answered, "only with my boyfriend". I thought it very odd that she would have a "boyfriend". What kind of guy would have a prostitute for a girlfriend?
Is it possible for a guy to "fall in love" with a prostitute?
The british writer, Somerset Maugham, wrote a semi-autobiographical novel called Of Human Bondage. It's about a young man who tragically falls in love with a prostitute. It was also made into an old black and white movie starring Bette Davis and Trevor Howard.
To paraphrase OAH, you can take the girl out of the street, but you cannot take the street out of the girl.
We can also reverse this discussion. Should a girl who is not a prostitute marry a guy who likes to monger? And, can a prostitute fall in love with a client?
Do any of you guys like opera? Puccini's opera La Boheme is about a love affair between an artist and a prostitute. Bizet's opera Carmen is about jealous rivalries for the love of a beautiful prostitute.
Rubber Nursey
08-04-06, 05:44
Hi Santa. I hope you don't mind me butting in on your conversation, but I wanted to comment on your post.
Is it possible for a guy to "fall in love" with a prostitute?
Is it possible for a guy to fall in love with an accountant? Or a school teacher? Or a mortician? When we fall in love, does the question of a person's occupation really come into it? If not, why do we ask if it's really possible to fall in love with a hooker?
We fall in love with a PERSON. Love is about compatibility and chemistry, how that person treats us and makes us feel about ourselves. It's about wanting to spend the rest of your life with someone who makes you feel complete. Why can a sex worker not give you that? We are just ordinary women, who happen to have sex for a living. Sex work is just a job. It's not a character flaw or an alternative 'lifestyle' we indulge in. It doesn't make us bad or immoral people. And it certainly does not make us any less capable of maintaining an honest, loving, caring relationship - nor should it make us any less deserving of one.
To paraphrase OAH, you can take the girl out of the street, but you cannot take the street out of the girl.
Why would that be the case? As I said above - sex work is just a job. People leave 'normal' jobs every day and never return to that line of work. Why do people believe it's impossible for a sex worker to do it?
We can also reverse this discussion. Should a girl who is not a prostitute marry a guy who likes to monger?
My answer to this question is likely to offend, but there's no way of saying this nicely.
There are thousands of posts all over this site discussing how to sneak away from the wife to visit an MP, what to tell her when you go on overseas 'business trips', requests for hookers' numbers to call when the wife takes the kids to visit Grandma for a week, how to juggle three girlfriends in three different countries, how to screw over bar girls so you get five days of sex without paying.... the list goes on. You wanna compare marrying a hooker (or ex hooker) to marrying a monger? Like I said above, being a sex worker is not some character flaw. But being inherently dishonest and selfish *IS*.
When a sex worker has sex with a client, it's about the money. When a married (or otherwise committed) man has sex with a sex worker, it's for personal gratification. He selfishly puts his need for sex or variety before his marriage and shows a complete lack of respect for his wife. A sex worker can choose to leave the job - but being a liar and a cheat is not so easily changed. There are also lots of men on this site who have absolutely no respect for the sex workers they visit, either, with thousands of stories of refusing to pay or stealing money back, forcing sex acts that weren't agreed to and even violence and sexual assault. That sort of disrespect for fellow human beings is inherent and those men are unlikely to ever change.
Would I marry an ex hooker? I don't see any reason why not. Would I marry a monger who lies and sneaks around and/or treats sex workers like second class citizens? No. I wouldn't. Of course, in real life, I wouldn't have all the information to be able to make this decision...because the mongers in question would never tell me the truth in the first place.
For the record, I have absolutely no problem with single men seeing sex workers (providing they treat those women with respect, of course). Could I marry a guy who regularly saw sex workers while single? Maybe ...although I would always be concerned that his need for 'variety' may get the better of him one day. It would be very hard to trust him completely.
I'll tell you where the problem comes in.
Hookers can't get it out of their head that all men will cheat on their significant others. They've seen so much of it that they can't imagine it otherwise. Add that to the fact that quite a few of them have very low self esteem, and you end up with a woman with serious issues.
Mongers on the other hand, can't get it out of their head that all hookers care about is money. They can't get it out of their head that their affections can be bought, even temporarily. That and the fact that hookers are willing to do the most intimate, and sometimes the basest of acts for money.
Basically, both groups can't have normal relationships.
Rubber Nursey
08-04-06, 07:56
Hi Moody,
I should say upfront that I don't believe, for a second, that old chestnut that sex workers suffer from low self-esteem. (Sure, there are some that do - but I doubt it would be any more than occurs in the general female population). That is a theory spouted by feminists and chauvenists who feel that women need an 'excuse' to be a hooker - that there must be some emotional dysfunction or psychiatric condition that led us down that path, because no 'normal' woman would ever consider doing something so 'abhorrent'. On the contrary, hookers need to have supreme self-confidence to be good at their jobs. Do you have any idea how much self esteem it takes, to parade around in a dress that exposes three quarters of your flesh and demand half a man's weekly wage for an hour of your time? But I digress...
You do have a point about sex workers not trusting men because they've seen so much infidelity in their time in the industry - although, personally, my industry experience only confirmed what I already thought to be true, from previous crappy relationships. Still, there are millions of 'normal' women out there who don't trust men at all, either (and men who feel the same about women). I don't see that as a valid reason to specifically avoid dating sex workers.
Willing to do the 'basest of acts' for money? I guess that depends on your definition of a base act and your moral position on sex in general. Coroners slice dead bodies apart for money. Abbatoir workers slaughter animals for money. Nurses and carers clean up other people's shit for money. Do they do it because it's fun? No, they do it because it's part of their job description. More importantly...does doing a job that many of us would find 'abhorrent', make us judge the people in those occupations the way we judge sex workers?
I'm not sure where the 'hookers only care about money' comes from. We work, and charge for that work, like any other businessperson. But when you say that our 'affections can be bought', it makes me wonder. Is this more about a man's insecurity? A fear that he won't be able to distinguish the line where the hooker ends and the 'real woman' begins? That he won't be able to tell whether she really loves him or if she's just playing him for cash?
Great commentary by Rubber Nursey and Moody. I agree and disagree.
However, I think I'll wait to read more commentaries before I respond.
The topic is marraige between prostitutes and mongerer, or non-mongerer. Or marraige between mongers and non-pros.
Generally, are we talking about loyality and infidelity?.
The debate started with the question "should a guy marry a prostitute?"
And then it became "should a non-pro marry a monger?"
Working Girls and Mongers change depending on how long they have been at it.
It seems to me that the personality of a lot of working girls get worse over time and would be less likely candidates for a workable relationship the longer they have been in business.
Perhaps this is due to the way some mongers treat and/or cheat them. Or is it the nature of the business? I have seen a few girls that offered exceptional service when they are relatively new change over time. They become less trusting and offer less for the same or more $$$. They may also try to scam or cheat you and don’t seem to have any charm left (expect before the deed when they are negotiating).
As for mongers, do you remember when you started? Or how about the newbies here. Always getting ripped off or not knowing how to get the best service. You don’t take on trust you will get great service without ticking off a few criteria off the list first. Of course never pay upfront. You have probably had a few GFE when just when you think it is real your illusion is shattered, she asks for more money or just goes off to the next punter.
Personally I am in a LT relationship and my partner knows I monger when she is not around so it suits me fine. If I had to start again I don’t know if I would go for someone who I had to lie to about having the occasional play. It may be a might just go for an ex pro or a part timer, certainly not one with a lot of mileage though.
In China there seem to be a lot of candidates that only take up the business for a short time. I would probably think if it did not work out I would just find another. I have kids and don’t want any more so perhaps I am not thinking so long term any more. Still that lack of commitment might doom me from the start.
BJK
I did. My problem was that I didn't know for quite some time that she was. I went through suspicion and discovery and was emotionally screwed up. The dishonesty was an element - I felt it destroyed trust. I treated her as though she was being unfaithful.
She was always great to me and while with me. She always seemed happy together and really enjoyed doing everyday things. After I found out what she did and went crazy, she brought 2 friends round. One who is a call girl and the other who isn't. She ended up telling me everything, and answering all my questions, explaining her feelings towards me as her boyfriend and clients explaining it was different. From her perspective it was her job and that's it. Now I see the whole thing as MY HANG UP's not hers.
To help me try to figure things out I talked with lots of working girls and several became really good friends. When someone is honest and up front with no secrets, it makes you trust them and feel quite secure. One wg I got close to as a friend would come and stay with me or sometimes ask me over to her place for a food, some fruit or just a chat. Sometimes we'd sleep together. She'd tell me when she was seeing a client. Sometimes she would tell me if a client had special requests or whatever, but she never ever identified clients and I never asked her to. She needed a boyfriend despite all the clients she would see.
Flip things around. Many guys monger - and have girlfriends or wives. How should your wife or gf think about you screwing a hooker? Actually sex with a sex worker doesn't threaten a marriage as much as an emotional affair does.
People in all walks of life can be assholes or really great friends. It's the same for sex workers. Some can be good friends - in many ways better than other friends because you can tell them anything and they don't have hang-ups. Also I do agree many sex workers and mongers can change over time because of their experiences. Some people handle their life and balance it well, others get screwed up inside. Others become desensitized and fed up with their job but need the money. Think how badly some guys can treat wg. One girl from Xinjiang, a Han girl told me once a guy had screwed her, threw up on her then took her watch, and mobile phone. She threatened to call the police - he said go ahead. In the end she didn't dare. You can understand the nervousness some girls have. Some get a client to agree the price, then after sex he won't pay. That's why the so called high class call girls and higher class Passion types always ask to be paid up front unles they know you. It's also why they prefer regular clients or referrals because they feel safer.
Lots of guys have double standards. I definitely did and probably still do. If a woman was willing to pay you for sex or give you nice gifts to "service her" once a week. Would you accept it.?
I strongly believe prostitution should be made fully legal so the girls can get protected and the social stigma removed. They provide a service, just like masseurs, hairdressers and manicurists. In one way sex is a form of massage, usimng parts of the body to massage someone else where it feels good. It's our genetic programming that makes us have such strong feelings about the little step from a massage to sex.
Chinese wg come from very different backgrounds. Some are from poor areas, others are keeping a family, some are well educated, some want a high life. I've found some to be really nice girls.
Suggest you try getting to know some wg as people, maybe some will turn out to be friends.
Phantomtiger2
08-04-06, 22:06
Actually sex with a sex worker doesn't threaten a marriage as much as an emotional affair does.
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Alex, I agree with some of your thoughts and others are your own feelings on the subject, so cant comment on them as its your IMO.
But, I have to seriously disagree with your statement as its way off about marriage and having sex workers on the side. It is obvious from your statement that you are single and unmarried (or never been married in the past--but could be wrong)-so correct me.
Any married man will tell you that it is best NOT to tell their wives about any mongering on the side as this will lead to serious problems with the marriage.
Try to think of it this way: If you were married , would it be OK for your wife to screw any man that comes along (paid =male sex worker or otherwise). Forget about her actually telling you this, just your "suspicion" that she is doing it on the side will probably ruin a good marriage.
Conclusion: if married and mongering on the side, then best not to be caught--IMO
PT
Thanks for your comments.
Alex, I agree with some of your thoughts and others are your own feelings on the subject, so cant comment on them as its your IMO.
But, I have to seriously disagree with your statement as its way off about marriage and having sex workers on the side. It is obvious from your statement that you are single and unmarried (or never been married in the past--but could be wrong)-so correct me.
Any married man will tell you that it is best NOT to tell their wives about any mongering on the side as this will lead to serious problems with the marriage.
Try to think of it this way: If you were married , would it be OK for your wife to screw any man that comes along (paid =male sex worker or otherwise). Forget about her actually telling you this, just your "suspicion" that she is doing it on the side will probably ruin a good marriage.
Conclusion: if married and mongering on the side, then best not to be caught--IMO
PT
Actually I’ve been married, divorced, lived with a Chinese lady for a few years, broke up THEN learned so much I never knew before about mongering and girls in the sex trade, their lives, how they think and more interestingly, about my own hang-ups.
You raise an issue which I think could take a book to respond and I'm sure we all have different perspectives.
The essence of my thinking is that sex workers are people just like us all, BUT because of their jobs they can be more open and honest in a relationship – because they’ve seen and experienced more than so-called normal girls. Therefore they can make great wives/girlfriends because they let you feel free.
Firstly; if you are married to a normal “nice” woman, chances are you will run into friction, misunderstandings or conflict. You might have arguments or times where she’s mad and doesn’t let you know why. She’s jealous because she thinks you looked at her friend’s miniskirt. You need to hide your Penthouse and Hustler. There are periods she won't have sex with you or is annoyed about something so you don't approach her for sex. Sometimes she makes you feel like shit because you want sex, so you feel a distance from her, maybe angry. You may also occasionally, on a business trip, at first, or frequently look for sexual excitement outside your relationship. Most, but not necessarily all guys have sex outside their steady relationship. Most will NOT dare tell their wife/steady because it would destroy trust and bring in all kinds of insecurities. Then they become dishonest. I agree with you, in this case it’s better NOT TO TELL. Here there is a “contract” for total fidelity. But you are breaking it and she suspects you. You protect her by hiding it.
Secondly; In an ideal relationship, wouldn't we want to feel free and secure.? Free to be ourselves, free to do things you want to. Secure knowing that you won’t lose anything you hold precious. Free to do the things you like like looking at that miniskirt, reading Hustler or sometimes fucking another woman.? Wouldn't it be great if this could be done openly without threatening your relationship?
With a wife/girlfriend you have usually established a basis for fidelity, even though you don’t keep it. When you go with a hooker or another woman for sex, you have to hide it and lie. You feel guilty and afraid you’ll get caught.
Now, try imagining this scenario: You meet a great looking sex worker, you tell her you like screwing around and you’ll never change. You get on great with her, you have fun going out, not just having sex. She moves in with you. She tells you when she’s going with a client, she takes client calls in front of you without hiding it. You tell her when you go with another girl/woman. If you ask her anything, she tells you honestly. If she asks you anything, you tell her honestly. No hiding, no secrets. She brings porno movies home to watch together. Sometimes you ask her to bring a friend – she does with no hassles. Here the contract is it’s OK to have sex with other people, and we have no secrets. We know we will always come back to each other and not get emotionally involved with others.
What does threaten a girl of this background – and most women I think - is that you will get emotionally involved and leave her. That is far more threatening than just having sex with other women.
I fully agree in most relationships you will have a hell of a time if you admit going outside for sex. However, I find Chinese women – in general – though, again, not always - less hung up about this than western women. Chinese culture used to expect wealthy men to have 3 wives and 4 concubines ("San qi, Si qie")
I’ve tried the honest approach and from my limited experience if the basis for a relationship is established from the beginning, and is based on 2-way honesty then I’d argue you can have a higher success rate for honesty with sex workers than so-called “regular” girls.
I think it all depends how the relationship starts. Try the approach with a girl you like.
I fell in love with a sex worker, but couldn’t take it when I found out what she did. If I’d known up front I wouldn’t have felt the betrayal.
But since then, I’ve had some super gf relationships with wg, and enjoy the freedom from guilt and pressure.
I have had hang ups and still feel jealous when I think about my girlfriend. In my mind she was so "pure". Event though she was so great to me, when I found out her job, it was my problem, I couldn't take it.
In the end why are humans so susceptible to sexual jealousy.? I think its in our genes.
I also realise the emotional level is very different from the intellectual level. Emotions can be irrational which is why some biologists say that they are genetically programmed.
Anyway, I think the most important thing is honesty. Better to live one life than dual lives. What do you think ?
I recently returned from a great trip to China. Had some great sex with girls i have been chatting with for a while. Without going to deep into the details, both of these girls were quite impatient about getting my (average sized, covered) cock into them (finger probbing was also much appreciated).
My attention to their clitoris was welcome but just not as arousing for them as penetration. They always wanted me inside them, usually as soon as possible. I have noticed this with several other asian women I have bedded, including my ex (but she didnt even like my fingers inside her) and a girlfriend of about 18 months.
White women seem to get off more on clitoral attention.
Has anyone else noticed this or have any thoughts on the subject? Thanks in advance
Chocha Monger
08-12-06, 23:20
It's not really a stimulation issue. Actually, it's more about domination. White women like their men to bow down and lick their cunts. It is the ultimate act of submission. In case you haven't noticed white women detest sucking cock, so it is not a question of them preferring oral sex over the old cock in the pussy. Any female on male oral sex terminates or rapidly declines in frequency upon marriage.
Lubricate It
08-13-06, 00:59
Wanabee
I suspect it's just ignorance, especially in the case of younger, less experienced Asian women. I get the feeling that a lot of sex in Asia is of the "Bang wham, thank you Ma'am" type, and the woman feels satisfied if she knows the man is satisfied. People have tended to have less luxury of time and space for making love. There also tends to be less literature than in the West. Young Asian women sometimes seem genuinely surprised and puzzled when you deliberately start to take things seriously and do things slowly and delay orgasm, for instance.
I have also encountered a lot of Asian women, especially more experienced ones (but even my wife when she was in her early 20's) who enjoy clitoral stimulation, and want to continue with it. It also features prominently in most Japanese sex movies and the women in the movies seem very responsive to it. Personal preferences will vary enormously from woman to woman. I think it has been shown scientifically that women who have flatter personalities and tend to speak in flat tones are less sexually responsive than the more excitable and emotional ones. But I think there is value in showing your female partner with way, and toys can be very effective for this.
Gualtier Malde
08-13-06, 02:50
This is such a wild generalization it has got to be a joke!
There is no single answer to the question. Some women (white, brown, whatever) love oral, some just don't get into it as much, for a variety of reasons (some asian women think their pussy is not a clean area, and don't want you putting your mouth there).
I've had white women who can't get enough oral, in both directions. I've had others who do it but prefer the final penetration. Same with asian women.
In the end, I think the best way to please a woman is not to just do what you like to do, but to read her, get into her comfort zone, and work from there. Do the things she obviously likes first, then slowly and incrementally add new things.
If she doesn't like you going down on her, start with some very gentle fingering. Kiss her breasts, her belly, and her thighs, her inner thighs, but don't go to her pussy with your mouth (yet). Touch her with your fingers as you kiss the nearby areas.
Then, start doing things like wetting your finger with your mouth before inserting it into her pussy. Later, when your finger is wet with her juices, let her see you bring your finger up and suck off her juices. Tell her how good she tastes. Kiss her after you do that. Keep things slow and passionate.
It could take several sessions like this before one day you replace your finger, briefly, with your tongue and/or lips. Don't linger. Just lick, or kiss, then go right up and kiss her passionately. This is the tease. You have to be the judge of how slowly or how quickly to take it.
Regarding clit versus vaginal excitement. I don't think it is a choice of one over the other. Some women have very sensitive clits, and you need to appreciate that. It is like having a woman only stimulate the glans of your penis. It can be very very intense. A suggestion is, rather than rub the clit directly, to rub just to one side of it, with your finger against the clit on one side, but with most of the gentle pressure going just to the side, not directly over the clit. This tends to pull the hood of the clit back and forth over the clit, which for some women is a more sublime stimulation.
Also, after a woman cums she will be very sensitive at the clit, sometimes painfully so. At this point, no need to stop, just stimulate other areas, like her g-spot. Some women can be kept on an orgasmic plateau for a long time by alternating g-spot and clitoral orgasms.
Good luck!
David
It's not really a stimulation issue. Actually, it's more about domination. White women like their men to bow down and lick their cunts. It is the ultimate act of submission. In case you haven't noticed white women detest sucking cock, so it is not a question of them preferring oral sex over the old cock in the pussy. Any female on male oral sex terminates or rapidly declines in frequency upon marriage.
Travel Dog
08-14-06, 09:25
Wana
Here's my 2 cents on this... Yes I agree there is little interest in the clit. But I think the girls just want to get you in and get things finished off (and get paid).
TD
Cebu Local
08-14-06, 23:36
After discussing this topic with My Chinese Fiance,She told me to tell your friends that the favorite form of foreplay for Chinese Women is Shopping!!!!!!
After discussing this topic with My Chinese Fiance,She told me to tell your friends that the favorite form of foreplay for Chinese Women is Shopping!!!!!!
This type of foreplay also applies to jewish girls also.....
I think this type of foreplay works for girls worldwide!
d luc
In the end, I think the best way to please a woman is not to just do what you like to do, but to read her, get into her comfort zone, and work from there. Do the things she obviously likes first, then slowly and incrementally add new things.
If she doesn't like you going down on her, start with some very gentle fingering. Kiss her breasts, her belly, and her thighs, her inner thighs, but don't go to her pussy with your mouth (yet). Touch her with your fingers as you kiss the nearby areas.
Then, start doing things like wetting your finger with your mouth before inserting it into her pussy. Later, when your finger is wet with her juices, let her see you bring your finger up and suck off her juices. Tell her how good she tastes. Kiss her after you do that. Keep things slow and passionate.
It could take several sessions like this before one day you replace your finger, briefly, with your tongue and/or lips. Don't linger. Just lick, or kiss, then go right up and kiss her passionately. This is the tease. You have to be the judge of how slowly or how quickly to take it.
David
David's very slow, gradual, methodical and cautious method of teaching a lady how to enjoy foreplay and have orgasms has a scientific name, DESENSITIZATION. It is also a successful therapy that behavioral psychologists use for curing many phobias.
But this will only work with cooperative girlfriends or wives.
If anybody wants more information about sex therapy, do a google search of Masters and Johnson.
As Travel Dog has said, most prostitutes are only interested in quickly getting you in, getting you finished and getting paid. That is why they hurry us along, don't want foreplay and fake an orgasm.
Unlike David, I don't have much personal experience with giving ladies orgasms. I've learned to just shag her, pay her and leave. Why should we give a shit if a rented lady has an orgasm or not? Any thoughts???
Clandestine782
08-15-06, 05:26
I happened to be staying in a roach roost motel in Jinan (100RMB/ night) and asked some guys that were sitting in the lobby if they knew the market price for a girl overnight. (I NEVER pay more than 800RMB and usually I try to get it for 300-400, since that's all it's worth to me under normal circumstances.) Anyway, it turns out that there was a sauna on the sixth floor and it was a DUMP. (I'm thinking: "Ok, I'll go into this with an open mind.") The papasan and I negotiated 300RMB (inclusive) for two hours and he would not let me have the girl in my room, but insisted that I go to the 5th floor (my room was on the 2nd) and have the girl there. OK, Fine. He led me upstairs to a *really* grubby locker room (where there were no attendants) and had me slip into some paper pajamas and then led me to an equally grubby room and told me that I could have a shower there and the girl would come in after. (There were no batteries in the remote control and the air conditioner was broken and I had to change rooms to a place where everything functioned.)
So, in comes a 19 year old girl (who is pudgy, but that does not bother me) and she has no problem offering the service. She had only been on premises for three days and I was (she said) her first sexual customer. We had fairly decent sex and did some chatting after she was finished. (She did do a little complaining about the length of the sex-- 25 minutes, tops-- and said that her boyfriend had never gone for such a long time. Whoa.)
It turned out that she had come there from Yantai and tried to find a job in the big city and she had lost her cell phone and her money. She was trying to find make 2,000RMB to get back to Yantai (we were in Jinan) so that she would not go back to her parents empty handed. (They must have financed her journey there.) It was at that point that I made my sales pitch (because I have been trying to see about hiring a BBS girl as a live-in for a monthly salary-- and at the suggestion that a heavier/ darker Chinese girl might be easier to convince into this type of arrangement have been trying to aim for that market) and asked her if she might want to come with me to live in Chongqing and come up with a story to tell her parents as to how she landed there. (You may think me crazy, but this is not so unreasonable. If you ask a lot of BBS girls where they are from, they will often say distant places. It's strange, because they pass over MANY OTHER BBS on the way to work at whatever distant one they choose.) We talked about this for a good long while and the two hours passed like 30 minutes. In addition I asked her how long she planned to stay in the business, since 3 days was a very short time and that if she stayed longer she would begin to see that there were a lot of people in the business who were NOT nice-- both bosses and customers. (If you sit in a barbershop and observe or ask the girls questions you will find that they deal with cheating bosses and abusive customers not infrequently.)
Since food is a symbol of friendship in China, I offered to take her out to get something to eat and we could talk over some specifics. At this point, it was 1am and so she should have been finishing work at just that time. This is where the trouble started.
I went out and got dressed and the papasan told me that there was an additional 20RMB fee for use of the locker room, and that this was standard in Jinan. After I finished hysterically guffawing, I mentioned to him that: 1)I had been to two other saunas and that it was not the case at either of those places; 2) He was changing his story from the price being inclusive to adding hidden fees; 3) I only used the grungy sauna at his insistence and would have preferred to go to my room. At this point he dropped the price to 10RMB and I still would not budge. Finally, he chose to drop it. At this point, the girl came out of the room and wanted to go to dinner (you could guess that she liked to eat) and the boss told her that she could not get off work-- even though he had before told her that she finished work at 1am. The reason is because there were some other customers that wanted a full service hooker and the boss wanted the money.
An argument between the girl and the boss ensued, during which he told me that I could go back to my room and I told him that I would wait for the girl (and said if he could carry me then that would be a reason for me to go back to the room). To make a long story short, the girl ended up leaving the premises and the boss would not give her her money for the night (which amounted to something like 420RMB for the day). He was also very incensed with me for taking the girl out of the shop when he wanted her to stay for other customers. (I stayed and waited for the girl partially out of interest to take her to dinner and talk business and partially out of spite for the boss-- his having made me SO ANGRY by trying to tack on those extra charges and then lying about it on the assumption that I was too stupid to know otherwise.)
The girl was near tears over the lost money as we walked, but she was happy that I stayed (since she was afraid that the boss would strike her or drag her back to the sauna to offer service). None of this happened, and it came up that she had only 10RMB to her name. OK, fine. So, I gave her 100RMB (which was enough to get a bus back to her hometown) and told her that she could come up with a story to tell her parents as to why she didn't have money. (This was my last kind gesture because I am always and everywhere EXTREMELY RELUCTANT to give tips and almost never do so.) I also had given her my phone number and told her if she wanted to call me to make an arrangement like I'd suggested earlier, she was welcome.
So, overall, I had very good service with a massage for 400RMB for an hour-- which was 100RMB more than I was willing to pay. But, I didn't have the heart to send the girl away with only 10RMB to her pocket and not even enough to hire a taxi back to her accommodation.
That was *weird.* In hindsight, I realize that that might not have been the best thing to do because there might have been someone on premises that could have done bodily harm to me, but fortunately the boss was so cheap that he would not have been willing to let go of the money to make this happen (note that there were no attendants in the locker room at any time). Also, I had not taken my neuroleptic medication and was less easily daunted than I would have ordinarily been to pursue such a course of action.
That was *weird.* In hindsight, I realize that that might not have been the best thing to do because there might have been someone on premises that could have done bodily harm to me, but fortunately the boss was so cheap that he would not have been willing to let go of the money to make this happen (note that there were no attendants in the locker room at any time). Also, I had not taken my neuroleptic medication and was less easily daunted than I would have ordinarily been to pursue such a course of action.I would be interested to hear if you actually hear back from her. My experience would suggest she won't, as for some reason these girls don't always seem to be the best at grabbing better opportunities when they are offered. As for the story about her losing her phone etc, I heard the same story not so long ago, I don't really buy it though and think it is just an excuse. It doesn't make sense to go into that business just to buy your ticket home, I think she would have left home knowing exactly what business she is going into, or atleast whoever arranged her trip for her (maybe husband) knew. It has intrigued me how you really do get girls from all corners of the country working in these places, since prices are uniform over most of China (in big cities atleast) why do they travel so far to end up in a place when they could work in the same business in their home town. Im guessing that there is some big middleman industry with agents out arranging exactly which shop the girls will go into. I met a girl from some part of Jiangxi who ended up in Shandong, yet she literally had not been further than 50 meters away from the shop she worked at, did not even know the main road the shop was off. As for trying to get them to quit jobs for you, I think it would be an upward battle since can they trust a laowai? (or any stranger who could just say anything). I think the way to approach it might be to see them a couple of times, then when you get the chance to take them out of the shop talk business. I think it is hard but not impossible. But be realistic, while you may offer better working conditions, you should be prepared to offer competitive salary. If she made 400rmb in one day, then your 1000 isnt so attractive. Afterall money is the key factor to girls in this position, if working conditions were then they wouldnt be there in the first place.
Tuscan Man
08-16-06, 04:51
Just wanted to add, I had a live in girlfriend that was a ktv working girl. I only payed the rent and took her shopping now and then. I wanted to help her improve her life and I asked her if I paid her 4500 yuan a month would she leave her job. Her answer made a lot of sense and I believe it is the thinking of most of these girls when dealing with a foreigner that does not live in China.
She said if she quit her job gave up her regular customers and six months from now I don’t come back to China then where would she be? She has given up her customer base that she built over two years and has to start over again. It made sense and I think these girls just can’t trust or depend on a foreigner. Even though they may really like you, they can’t open their hearts because they wonder will you come back next time or not? Actually in hindsight I’m glad the girl didn’t take me up on the 4500 yuan offer I still got all the sex I needed from her for 1500 yuan a month (rent money). Also, if I find a girl I like, and talk her into living with me, I rent the apartment under her name. This way if I want to get rid of her, I do the leaving and she can’t stick to me.
I was also in the same situation. But this girl only wanted 3000 RMB per month.
Some friend's of mine said it is a good idea if you happen to live in Hongkong.
But even then there is no guarantee they will not entertain other guys when you are away. For them it is money which is the bottom line. They are well aware of the demand for them will drop dramatically when they age.
But the bottom line is not to fall in love with a sex worker irrespective of the chemistry between you and her. I know it is hard sometimes,
OldAsiaHand
08-16-06, 15:25
Santa:
Unless it is GFE or a freebie, I couldn't give a rats' ass whether they have an orgasm. IMHO, most pros do not enjoy being with punters anyway. I do believe that many mongers are fooling themselves into thinking otherwise.
Just my POV.
OAH
As Travel Dog has said, most prostitutes are only interested in quickly getting you in, getting you finished and getting paid. That is why they hurry us along, don't want foreplay and fake an orgasm.
Unlike David, I don't have much personal experience with giving ladies orgasms. I've learned to just shag her, pay her and leave. Why should we give a shit if a rented lady has an orgasm or not? Any thoughts???
They are well aware of the demand for them will drop dramatically when they age.
There was a woman from Kent
Who fucked her landlord for rent
But when she grew older
The landlord grew colder
And now she lives in a tent. :D
Thanks for the opinions and info. FYI the 2 girls who prompted my original question were freebies. Of course that doesnt mean they werent faking their excitement, but it makes it easier for me to believe. Each of them insisted on paying for one meal. I took this as a gesture of friendship or reciprocity and/or a demonstration (sincere or not) that they weren't just hangin out together for the perks. Another girl I took out for a couple of meals but whom i couldnt get into my hotel room, came back to my hotel to give me a nice little present (a wooden fan). Any thoughts on these polite gestures? Thanks
Clandestine782
08-17-06, 13:07
Thanks for your replies to my comments.
I would be interested to hear if you actually hear back from her.
As a matter of fact, I did. She called me at around noon and said that she would come to my hotel at 15:00-- I got there and waited and she didn't show up.
My experience would suggest she won't, as for some reason these girls don't always seem to be the best at grabbing better opportunities when they are offered.
You are so right about that. You are so right about that. YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT THAT. I remeber one example (OF MANY OTHERS) being back in the Philippines and met a girl at a bar who was a STUNNER. She was the best looking Philippina that I have ever laid eyes on if I do say so myself. So, I called her off the dance floor and went into the room and fucked her and talked to her a bit. At that time I was looking for a wife and asked her if she would be interested to come back to the States with me. (I never have a problem getting up and going to work.) At any rate, she said (basically) that she had heard all that before. A wealthy white man had offered her a living allowance of US$10,000 per month if she would come and live with him. For whatever reason, she declined. I can't imagine why. And as we talked some more, she said there was a Swedish guy that she met that she liked and had stayed in contact with, but for some reason he was not contacting her back after a couple of months correspondence. She and her sister both worked at this bar. No matter which way you add it up, this girl was a stupid b.itch. Only a *very few* women in the Philippines will make US$10,000/ month hooking, and then who knows how many customers they will have to deal with to get that. In the case of this guy, she could have had one regular sexual partner and more money. She turned this down in order to pursue someone who could not offer the same thing and was not all that interested in her and to have the glorious life of bar work. Go figure.
As for the story about her losing her phone etc, I heard the same story not so long ago, I don't really buy it though and think it is just an excuse. It doesn't make sense to go into that business just to buy your ticket home, I think she would have left home knowing exactly what business she is going into, or atleast whoever arranged her trip for her (maybe husband) knew. It has intrigued me how you really do get girls from all corners of the country working in these places, since prices are uniform over most of China (in big cities atleast) why do they travel so far to end up in a place when they could work in the same business in their home town.
I have wondered as much as well. It's like: "How many BBS did you pass on the way here in order to come and work at this one dump?" And when you talk to girls at BBS, you will find that MOST of them are not locals.
But be realistic, while you may offer better working conditions, you should be prepared to offer competitive salary. If she made 400rmb in one day, then your 1000 isnt so attractive. Afterall money is the key factor to girls in this position, if working conditions were then they wouldnt be there in the first place.
It is, but I have been doing some serious investigation into how much they should make at this job (talking to taxi drivers) and the figure that I keep getting is somewhere between 2000-3000RMB/ month. That makes perfect sense. When you talk to the girls, they say that they work something like 3 weeks on 1 week off (even though menstruation lasts less than a week). So, if you assume two customers per day at 40RMB each (calculated because the Mamasan gets about 1/2 of the girls' take in order to keep the shop open and pay bribes to help the police forget what she is doing there and because Chinese men don't pay more than 100RMB for a short time and a lot of taxi drivers will tell you they'll only pay 70RMB) that is about 80RMB per day x 23 working days. That's about 1840. You could throw in a few overnighters or even tweak the number of customers/ mamasan cuts/ working days and the salary still only approaches 3,000. (Incidentally, talking to the taxi drivers, they told me that 3,000 was definitely an overestimate. And talking to the girls, they said that AT MOST they would get 2 customers per day. Some days there would be no customers at all-- in spite of the long working hours.)
And then these girls still have to pay for food and accommodation, so there is SOME overhead-- even if it is not that much. Some girls to whom I have spoken in the BBS say that it is better than working in the KTV because the increased costs are eaten up by even higher overhead (deposits and clothing expenses and what-not).
So, when you do the math-- it may not be necessary to offer 10,000RMB/ month to get these girls out of the barbershop. Consider the better living conditions and free accommodation.
Cebu Local
08-17-06, 13:30
Thanks for your replies to my comments.
As a matter of fact, I did. She called me at around noon and said that she would come to my hotel at 15:00-- I got there and waited and she didn't show up.
You are so right about that. You are so right about that. YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT THAT. I remeber one example (OF MANY OTHERS) being back in the Philippines and met a girl at a bar who was a STUNNER. She was the best looking Philippina that I have ever laid eyes on if I do say so myself. So, I called her off the dance floor and went into the room and fucked her and talked to her a bit. At that time I was looking for a wife and asked her if she would be interested to come back to the States with me. (I never have a problem getting up and going to work.) At any rate, she said (basically) that she had heard all that before. A wealthy white man had offered her a living allowance of US$10,000 per month if she would come and live with him. For whatever reason, she declined. I can't imagine why. And as we talked some more, she said there was a Swedish guy that she met that she liked and had stayed in contact with, but for some reason he was not contacting her back after a couple of months correspondence. She and her sister both worked at this bar. No matter which way you add it up, this girl was a stupid b.itch. Only a *very few* women in the Philippines will make US$10,000/ month hooking, and then who knows how many customers they will have to deal with to get that. In the case of this guy, she could have had one regular sexual partner and more money. She turned this down in order to pursue someone who could not offer the same thing and was not all that interested in her and to have the glorious life of bar work. Go figure.
I have wondered as much as well. It's like: "How many BBS did you pass on the way here in order to come and work at this one dump?" And when you talk to girls at BBS, you will find that MOST of them are not locals.
It is, but I have been doing some serious investigation into how much they should make at this job (talking to taxi drivers) and the figure that I keep getting is somewhere between 2000-3000RMB/ month. That makes perfect sense. When you talk to the girls, they say that they work something like 3 weeks on 1 week off (even though menstruation lasts less than a week). So, if you assume two customers per day at 40RMB each (calculated because the Mamasan gets about 1/2 of the girls' take in order to keep the shop open and pay bribes to help the police forget what she is doing there and because Chinese men don't pay more than 100RMB for a short time and a lot of taxi drivers will tell you they'll only pay 70RMB) that is about 80RMB per day x 23 working days. That's about 1840. You could throw in a few overnighters or even tweak the number of customers/ mamasan cuts/ working days and the salary still only approaches 3,000. (Incidentally, talking to the taxi drivers, they told me that 3,000 was definitely an overestimate. And talking to the girls, they said that AT MOST they would get 2 customers per day. Some days there would be no customers at all-- in spite of the long working hours.)
And then these girls still have to pay for food and accommodation, so there is SOME overhead-- even if it is not that much. Some girls to whom I have spoken in the BBS say that it is better than working in the KTV because the increased costs are eaten up by even higher overhead (deposits and clothing expenses and what-not).
So, when you do the math-- it may not be necessary to offer 10,000RMB/ month to get these girls out of the barbershop. Consider the better living conditions and free accommodation.I have come to the conclusion that Chinese women are not always logical.Take my fiance for example,I have a hard time convincing her to move to the PI from China.Here s the math Life in China One bedroom Condo with 50 sqm space and a maid who comes in daily life in PI 5 bedroom house with 700 sqm living area 4 maids 2 drivers membership in 2 country clubs plus 150 sqm Condo with 3 bedrooms in Makati.Guess Where She wants to live????See they are not logical
Traveler1234
08-17-06, 19:12
Since food is a symbol of friendship in China, I offered to take her out to get something to eat and we could talk over some specifics. At this point, it was 1am and so she should have been finishing work at just that time. This is where the trouble started.
The girl was near tears over the lost money as we walked, but she was happy that I stayed (since she was afraid that the boss would strike her or drag her back to the sauna to offer service). None of this happened, and it came up that she had only 10RMB to her name. OK, fine.
So, I gave her 100RMB (which was enough to get a bus back to her hometown) and told her that she could come up with a story to tell her parents as to why she didn't have money. (This was my last kind gesture because I am always and everywhere EXTREMELY RELUCTANT to give tips and almost never do so.) I also had given her my phone number and told her if she wanted to call me to make an arrangement like I'd suggested earlier, she was welcome.
You're such a kind and generous dude...looks like you fxxxed her over twice, once literally, the second time w/ her job. What do you think the meal you offered would have cost - I bet more than the RMB100 you gave her.
And this from a guy who sits on a motorcycle in the rain to save RMB 40 in search of cheaper BBS in the sticks :(
Traveler1234
08-17-06, 19:17
I have come to the conclusion that Chinese women are not always logical.Take my fiance for example,I have a hard time convincing her to move to the PI from China.Here s the math Life in China One bedroom Condo with 50 sqm space and a maid who comes in daily life in PI 5 bedroom house with 700 sqm living area 4 maids 2 drivers membership in 2 country clubs plus 150 sqm Condo with 3 bedrooms in Makati.Guess Where She wants to live????See they are not logical
Cebu
It makes perfect sense to me.....would you rather live in the big Apple or some dumpy town/city in Texas?
LOL
I have come to the conclusion that Chinese women are not always logical.Take my fiance for example,I have a hard time convincing her to move to the PI from China.Here s the math Life in China One bedroom Condo with 50 sqm space and a maid who comes in daily life in PI 5 bedroom house with 700 sqm living area 4 maids 2 drivers membership in 2 country clubs plus 150 sqm Condo with 3 bedrooms in Makati.Guess Where She wants to live????See they are not logical
I'm guessing she doesn't want to give up her family and social life, which is in China.
Cebu Local
08-17-06, 23:40
Cebu
It makes perfect sense to me.....would you rather live in the big Apple or some dumpy town/city in Texas?
LOLI kinda think it would be unfair to compare Cebu to a dumpy city in Texas,Its the number one tourist destination in the Philippines,So think a smaller city in Hawaii compared to the big apple.But its still a valid comparison a Villa in Hawaii to a small flat in New York.Basically I recognize she has an exciting life there so we are probably going to live in a a bi-country relationship.
Cebu Local
08-17-06, 23:43
I'm guessing she doesn't want to give up her family and social life, which is in China.Yes She is well connected in Shanghai and has extensive family connections there so It would be a major sacrifice for her,But She also knows I have extensive business interests here in the PI so We will probably work something out..
Yankee 617
08-21-06, 03:34
I will travel to China in November. My first time in Asia.
First part of this trip will be Hong Kong, Guilin, and Shanghai.
Where should I go next? I want to find the best value mongering at reasonably low prices (e. G. , 100 - 300 rmb). I was thinking maybe Xiamen or Fuzhou. Or maybe all the way to Hangzhou.
I will skip Beijing as it seems too cold there in late November.
I have 5-7 days between Shanghai & my return to Hong Kong. Then I travel to Manila for 7-10 days of warm sunshine, beaches and more girls before returning to the US.
Thanks, Yan Kee:-)
Old Mean Dog
08-21-06, 07:30
I will travel to China in November. My first time in Asia.
First part of this trip will be Hong Kong, Guilin, and Shanghai.
Where should I go next? I want to find the best value mongering at reasonably low prices (e. G. , 100 - 300 rmb). I was thinking maybe Xiamen or Fuzhou. Or maybe all the way to Hangzhou.
I will skip Beijing as it seems too cold there in late November.
I have 5-7 days between Shanghai & my return to Hong Kong. Then I travel to Manila for 7-10 days of warm sunshine, beaches and more girls before returning to the US.
Thanks, Yan Kee:-)I would assume by the # of posts in each forum/city for mongering, Shanghai, Beijing and Shenzhen would then be 1, 2, 3. Hard to say though, I'm sure everyone has their own favorite and not so favorite spots.
I will travel to China in November. My first time in Asia.
First part of this trip will be Hong Kong, Guilin, and Shanghai.
Where should I go next? I want to find the best value mongering at reasonably low prices (e. G. , 100 - 300 rmb). I was thinking maybe Xiamen or Fuzhou. Or maybe all the way to Hangzhou.
I will skip Beijing as it seems too cold there in late November.
I have 5-7 days between Shanghai & my return to Hong Kong. Then I travel to Manila for 7-10 days of warm sunshine, beaches and more girls before returning to the US.
Thanks, Yan Kee:-)
Since you will be in Hong Kong area, I would strongly recommend Shenzhen and CP (which is about 30 minutes by train from SZ). Both places you will find a lot of nice girls between 150-200rmb for ST.
Phantomtiger2
08-22-06, 01:00
I will travel to China in November. My first time in Asia.
First part of this trip will be Hong Kong, Guilin, and Shanghai.
Where should I go next? I want to find the best value mongering at reasonably low prices (e. G. , 100 - 300 rmb). I was thinking maybe Xiamen or Fuzhou. Or maybe all the way to Hangzhou.
I will skip Beijing as it seems too cold there in late November.
I have 5-7 days between Shanghai & my return to Hong Kong. Then I travel to Manila for 7-10 days of warm sunshine, beaches and more girls before returning to the US.
Thanks, Yan Kee:-)
As others have pointed out, your best bet is SZ and CP--thats exactly what I plan to do after reading about them (in addition to Shanghai).
Only advise is :Best you save your money in HK as prices for mongering is very high.(unless you hit the local brothels, but quality and quantity suck)-IMO. For the price of one call gal in HK , you can get 3-4 in Manila or China.
PT
Tuscan Man
09-12-06, 12:23
Can someone give me some idea on what the affection level is with Chinese working girl girlfriends? My experience so far with three different girlfriends has been that they are not overly affectionate on a daily basis. They don't have much interest in just kissing. They actually seem to avoid necking and save it for the evening sex. They will French kiss you to death when they are having sex with you. But seem to have no interest in daily kissing on the lips. They also seem to ritually want to have sex in the late evening. Mainly when they go to bed late at night. I do get the standard hand holding and arm rubbing. When they come home from work or just haven't been together for the day they are glad to hug you but mainly get only a cheek peck. I don't have bad breath and I am always clean shaven. Is it cultural? Any opinions and or experiences similar to this.
Cebu Local
09-12-06, 23:51
Can someone give me some idea on what the affection level is with Chinese working girl girlfriends? My experience so far with three different girlfriends has been that they are not overly affectionate on a daily basis. They don't have much interest in just kissing. They actually seem to avoid necking and save it for the evening sex. They will French kiss you to death when they are having sex with you. But seem to have no interest in daily kissing on the lips. They also seem to ritually want to have sex in the late evening. Mainly when they go to bed late at night. I do get the standard hand holding and arm rubbing. When they come home from work or just haven't been together for the day they are glad to hug you but mainly get only a cheek peck. I don't have bad breath and I am always clean shaven. Is it cultural? Any opinions and or experiences similar to this.I have a normal Chinese fiance and that is about right.It is a kind of disconnect,There is a time for sex and that is when you neck and kiss etc,The rest of the time is for eating,shopping,talking etc and kissing,necking etc is out of place at that time.Get it???,If you want Affectionate get a Filipina!!!Cheers
Old Mean Dog
09-13-06, 04:58
I have a normal Chinese fiance and that is about right.It is a kind of disconnect,There is a time for sex and that is when you neck and kiss etc,The rest of the time is for eating,shopping,talking etc and kissing,necking etc is out of place at that time.Get it???,If you want Affectionate get a Filipina!!!CheersAgreed. I am still trying to get my girlfriend to "makeout" with me....lol. They are open to hand holding in public, not fond of kissing in public and cuddles on the sofa are ok. Passion is for the bedroom and is "normally" done when it get's dark outside. It's a culture thing.
Bob Builder
09-14-06, 07:36
IMAGES OF GRANDFATHERS AND LONG LOST CHINESE GRANDDAUGHTERS DOING THE TONGUE TANGO flashing before my eyes! Arrrgghh!
I wake in a cold sweat to find myself in Pacific Coffee on Lockhart Road in Wan Chai nursing a cup of java and thank Christ it was just a bad dream. I look out onto the road and there is a well travelled 6'4 English guy with a what seems to be a sub 5' indo Nymphete laided down with shopping bags. He leans over in what seems to be a gesture to help her out with the bags but then instead thrust his tongue down her throat. Arrrgghh!
I think I need something stronger than a coffee cause it making reality and fantasy / nightmare into one, so I head down to Neptune II which seems to be full of Thai Grandmothers. Arrrgghh!
Public Display of Affection are looked down upon in any country. Just think back to the last time that you saw a couple going for it in public in the West and the first thing going thru your mind was "Get a f***king room!"
I read stuff like this and I'm no longer surprised that the girls generally try to screw us any way they can, prob thinking better to get us before we do it to them.
To make a long story short, the girl ended up leaving the premises and the boss would not give her her money for the night (which amounted to something like 420RMB for the day). ...The girl was near tears over the lost money as we walked, but she was happy that I stayed (since she was afraid that the boss would strike her or drag her back to the sauna to offer service). None of this happened, and it came up that she had only 10RMB to her name. OK, fine. So, I gave her 100RMB (which was enough to get a bus back to her hometown) and told her that she could come up with a story to tell her parents as to why she didn't have money. (This was my last kind gesture because I am always and everywhere EXTREMELY RELUCTANT to give tips and almost never do so.) I also had given her my phone number and told her if she wanted to call me to make an arrangement like I'd suggested earlier, she was welcome.
So, overall, I had very good service with a massage for 400RMB for an hour-- which was 100RMB more than I was willing to pay. But, I didn't have the heart to send the girl away with only 10RMB to her pocket and not even enough to hire a taxi back to her accommodation
I have a gf living with me for over 1 year now. The sex and stuff is not bad but also not frequent (actually I'm afraid I'm loosing appetite - maybe it's becoming too common with her?). She's fun though and not like those women who demand money for all kinds of stuff or demand other things of you.
Recently I met another, pretty woman who I don't particularly fancy characterwise and who doesn't speak English that well but she's so wild, acts like a nympho, making me come 3 times in a row and not minding me shooting inside her (no baby, I just finished my da yi ma (period) -which I witnessed so it's true)... I know most of you will disapprove this risky business and so do I, but the desire on the moment is too strong.)
Question nr. 1: Why do women like her not fear that???
This woman however shall never replace my gf so I have to tell her a bunch of lies. In fact, after we're done, I feel I love my gf as never before and I really regret my cheating on her. I guess that's logical since I just released my horniness... Cuz after a while my regrets starts to decrease again and I start thinking back of my wild adventure, longing for a repetition....
Question nr. 2: What's your advice. I don't want to hurt either of them.
Blacklisted
09-26-06, 09:12
I have a gf living with me for over 1 year now.
Recently I met another, pretty woman who I don't particularly fancy characterwise and who doesn't speak English that well but she's so wild, acts like a nympho, making me come 3 times in a row and not minding me shooting inside her (no baby, I just finished my da yi ma (period) -which I witnessed so it's true)... I know most of you will disapprove this risky business and so do I, but the desire on the moment is too strong.)
Question nr. 1: Why do women like her not fear that???
Women don't fear that for a couple of reasons.
1: They don't understand the magnitude of STD's out there, usually due to a lack of education, or because they are young and believe it won't happen to them.
2: They think, fuck it, if he gets me pregnant I have him - he can pay child support or marry me and I'll be rich, rich, rich.
This woman however shall never replace my gf so I have to tell her a bunch of lies. In fact, after we're done, I feel I love my gf as never before and I really regret my cheating on her.
Question nr. 2: What's your advice. I don't want to hurt either of them.
My advice is strong and direct: wear a fucking condom with your girl on the side. You put your girlfriend, who you supposedly love at extreme risk. I'm sure you don't want to catch anything, but imagine explaining to your girlfriend that you caught something fucking a girl on the side... Keep shagging both, by all means, but just be smart about it, rather than stupid.
Can someone give me some idea on what the affection level is with Chinese working girl girlfriends?
I don't have bad breath and I am always clean shaven. Is it cultural? Any opinions and or experiences similar to this.
It varies wildly in my opinion. I've seen both, but definitely it is more the way other brothers describe, with a time and place mentality.
Yet saying that, only last Sunday night I recall, what you call it, making out for quite a long time in the middle of the dance floor at a reasonably busy club, yet the girl I was with certainly does not mind attracting attention to herself at all and I'm sure was eyeing other dudes off at the same time.
But, on the other hand, she was not my girlfriend, and it has not been a long term relationship, so that might not answer your question too well.
Cebu Local
09-26-06, 13:47
After having my my fiance live in the PI for a few months,She has learned to be a bit more affectionate Hugging or kissing me in Public,But thats not really her thing,She is adjusting because of the social conditions in the PI.But having her mixing with a group of Expat wives and local High end Filipinas also has had her shave more regularly,Floss and Brush ,clean up more often.So I guess over time a Chinese Woman can learn to become more demonstrative.Likewise I am becoming more Chinese in outlook towards some things.I also eat Snake and Lizard now also.Well you have to compromise to make things work.My 2 Fen opinion
Public Display of Affection are looked down upon in any country. Just think back to the last time that you saw a couple going for it in public in the West and the first thing going thru your mind was "Get a f***king room!"
Wow - Bob. That is very American-centric (I'm American, so I can say that). You will see in any country south of the U.S. or anywhere in Europe from France and below public displays of affection that would get you arrested in the U.S. In the "West" (meaning Anglo-saxon northern Europe and most of the U.S), public displays of affection are considered inappropriate primarily because of the puritan heritage that we have inherited (along with the work-ethic). The Chinese reasons for not showing public affection are different and I've shared them in a separate message to the original question.
Can someone give me some idea on what the affection level is with Chinese working girl girlfriends? My experience so far with three different girlfriends has been that they are not overly affectionate on a daily basis. They don't have much interest in just kissing. They actually seem to avoid necking and save it for the evening sex. They will French kiss you to death when they are having sex with you. But seem to have no interest in daily kissing on the lips. They also seem to ritually want to have sex in the late evening. Mainly when they go to bed late at night. I do get the standard hand holding and arm rubbing. When they come home from work or just haven't been together for the day they are glad to hug you but mainly get only a cheek peck. I don't have bad breath and I am always clean shaven. Is it cultural? Any opinions and or experiences similar to this.
The answer is really pretty simple, but one that is overlooked these days. Chinese women are still the product of a repressive society. Twenty years ago, a women would be beaten for infidelity, expelled from university for kissing and/or holding hands with her Chinese boyfriend (the boy would only be suspended) or signed up for extra political education classes if seen talking to a foreigner (I've personally witnessed all three). So, when you wonder about the public levels of affection, remember that they are the kinds of things for which they could get killed and can still get them into trouble. And the things they learn in public then translate into the bedroom. Lastly - kissing is cultural. It is part of the tradition of most of Europe, but just ask the Eskimos or the Mauri of New Zealand how they feel about kissing.
My advice is to only be as affectionate in public as she feels she can handle. Kissing with a foreigner in China today is roughly the equivalent of a woman kissing an African-American man in the early 60s. It may or may not get her in trouble, but it is certainly not going to go down well with the neighbors. On your own with her, keep up the affection and she will eventually get more comfortable. The biggest problem will be fighting the tendency to retreat when she doesn't show the same level of affection.
Women don't fear that for a couple of reasons.
1: They don't understand the magnitude of STD's out there, usually due to a lack of education, or because they are young and believe it won't happen to them.
2: They think, fuck it, if he gets me pregnant I have him - he can pay child support or marry me and I'll be rich, rich, rich.#1 is bad but look out for #2 especially. in the expat community of HK the girls aka golddiggers from shanghai are notorious for it. it was one of the first things i was told, and that if it happens to you the other girls will look at you too like you are an idiot.
Cebu Local
09-26-06, 23:45
The answer is really pretty simple, but one that is overlooked these days. Chinese women are still the product of a repressive society. Twenty years ago, a women would be beaten for infidelity, expelled from university for kissing and/or holding hands with her Chinese boyfriend (the boy would only be suspended) or signed up for extra political education classes if seen talking to a foreigner (I've personally witnessed all three). So, when you wonder about the public levels of affection, remember that they are the kinds of things for which they could get killed and can still get them into trouble. And the things they learn in public then translate into the bedroom. Lastly - kissing is cultural. It is part of the tradition of most of Europe, but just ask the Eskimos or the Mauri of New Zealand how they feel about kissing.
My advice is to only be as affectionate in public as she feels she can handle. Kissing with a foreigner in China today is roughly the equivalent of a woman kissing an African-American man in the early 60s. It may or may not get her in trouble, but it is certainly not going to go down well with the neighbors. On your own with her, keep up the affection and she will eventually get more comfortable. The biggest problem will be fighting the tendency to retreat when she doesn't show the same level of affection.
That is so correct,A brief kiss or a brief hug is about what She is comfortable with in public.That is despite living in the PI already.It is really not a Chinese thing to be physically demonstrative outside the bedroom.This reffering to normal girls.I repeat If you want physically affecionate in public,Get a Filipina
Yankee 617
09-27-06, 00:35
I want to thank all who responded to my earlier plea (quoted below).
My itinerary is shaping up as follows: Guangzhou (5 days), Guilin (5 days), Shanghai (4 days), Xiamen (2 days), Shenzhen (2 days), Hong Kong (2 days), Manila (3 days), Cebu (4 days), then 2 days more to make my way back to Guangzhou for my flight home.
My thought is only to spend 2 days upon arrival in Guangzhou, enough to get over jet lag and get situated. Then I'd venture out to Dong Guan or Chong Ping for a few days to explore the local talent. The trip to Guilin is for business but, once that's done, the rest... starting with Shanghai... is entirely for pleasure (and, as such, its on my own dime).
I'd like any specific tips on how to make this trip better. For example: Is a cell phone something I need or would this be silly? (I do not have one at home. I don't speak any Chinese.) Should I go to CP or DG (and should I take a bus or train and how do I do that)? Where should I stay when I'm in DG/CP/SZ (considering mongering opportunities as well as safety, convenience, comfort & price)?
Sorry for the newbie questions... I *do* read the forum. I've traveled (and mongered) a lot, including several trips to Brazil, but never before in Asia.
Thanks! Yankee
I will travel to China in November. My first time in Asia.
First part of this trip will be Hong Kong, Guilin, and Shanghai.
Where should I go next? I want to find the best value mongering at reasonably low prices (e. G. , 100 - 300 rmb). I was thinking maybe Xiamen or Fuzhou. Or maybe all the way to Hangzhou.
I will skip Beijing as it seems too cold there in late November.
I have 5-7 days between Shanghai & my return to Hong Kong. Then I travel to Manila for 7-10 days of warm sunshine, beaches and more girls before returning to the US.
Thanks, Yan Kee:-)
Blacklisted
09-27-06, 08:06
Well, I'm bored, although should be working, so let me add my two cents! nothing happening on the board today, even the losers in the phils fight club are all sulky and quiet... :)
Anyway, what an itinerary!!! Some great choices.
Cell phones are certainly handy, but with no chinese skills, the only benefit would be hooking up with other mongers. Leave that one up to you, but if you spoke Chinese and were keen on freebies, it would certainly be a 'must-have' item.
DG is CP and CP is in DG, but there is also a DG city, so they tell me, but not worth hitting, so they also tell me, (that is, the GZ crew). Best to leave GZ and head straight to CP. Apparently the train is very convenient, but best to PM OAH on that one as he is the man around those parts.
CP is great, but possibly a couple of days is enough and maybe 2 more in SZ, depending on recent reports, there are sometimes some crackdowns which affect the mongering there, especially around xiazui.
Also check with OAH on hotels in that region, he knows some great ones at very reasonable rates. Especially the CP one, it is a brilliant place for mongering, with a see-though shower screen providing a view from the bed. Great!!!:)
Most of all, don't overplan, just go with the flow, you'll have a ball. Cash is easy to get in China and travelling around is pretty straight forwards. Do bring a phrase book and try to learn at least minimal Chinese, especially bargaining and numbers, etc.
Overall, have fun!
Buy or borrow an used one either from the place you're from or in China. Get one that accepts GSM 900 SIM card. In China, an cheap used phone might cost you about $30 US or less. Nothing fancy, very basic.
If your first stop is in GZ, I can PM you with direction to a local cellphone market near the Garden Hotel. There's about 50 small shops there. But they speak mostly Mandarin. Can't guarantee their service or product. Perhaps hooking up with a fellow monger in GZ could assist you in this?
Buy a temporary calling GSM SIM card in China, probably cost you about $20 US. It will come with a Chinese telepone number and you dont' have to sign up for a monthly plan. I think it will include some minutes built in. Buy additional calling time card for cell as you need them. They come in denominations of 50RMB (6.00US), 100RMB and more.
BTW, this telephone number you get in GZ or anywhere in China will work in other cities in China as well. So you can roam through China with the same number. Cost of time rate use may vary in each city you travel to.
I find that having a cell phone is extremely convenient in hooking up with fellow mongers. Who wants to be tied to their hotel room waiting around for calls? Once you're out and about with fellow mongers, you dont' want to be separated from them. Your phone is their way of finding you and the other way around.
Finally, the other countries that you're going to will also accept GSM 900 phones. Just buy the cards there too to use their telephone system.
BTW, for calling overseas from China, I find that direct dial on the cell is the most expensive way. Buy a calling card for overseas card and then call through your cell phone.
I may be off with the pricing. Someone here can input with the correct pricing? But things in China are pretty cheap.
If you're from the US, GSM 900 phones can be used with T-Mobile and Cingular system.
Can't believe you dont' have a cell at home. Yankee, are you really from the US? What parts?
Bill
I want to thank all who responded to my earlier plea (quoted below).
My itinerary is shaping up as follows: Guangzhou (5 days), Guilin (5 days), Shanghai (4 days), Xiamen (2 days), Shenzhen (2 days), Hong Kong (2 days), Manila (3 days), Cebu (4 days), then 2 days more to make my way back to Guangzhou for my flight home.
My thought is only to spend 2 days upon arrival in Guangzhou, enough to get over jet lag and get situated. Then I'd venture out to Dong Guan or Chong Ping for a few days to explore the local talent. The trip to Guilin is for business but, once that's done, the rest... starting with Shanghai... is entirely for pleasure (and, as such, its on my own dime).
I'd like any specific tips on how to make this trip better. For example: Is a cell phone something I need or would this be silly? (I do not have one at home. I don't speak any Chinese.) Should I go to CP or DG (and should I take a bus or train and how do I do that)? Where should I stay when I'm in DG/CP/SZ (considering mongering opportunities as well as safety, convenience, comfort & price)?
Sorry for the newbie questions... I *do* read the forum. I've traveled (and mongered) a lot, including several trips to Brazil, but never before in Asia.
Thanks! Yankee
Ace Gallant
09-27-06, 13:28
I want to thank all who responded to my earlier plea (quoted below).
My itinerary is shaping up as follows: Guangzhou (5 days), Guilin (5 days), Shanghai (4 days), Xiamen (2 days), Shenzhen (2 days), Hong Kong (2 days), Manila (3 days), Cebu (4 days), then 2 days more to make my way back to Guangzhou for my flight home.
Thanks! Yankee
Let me re-schedule your trip:
Day One:
Fly into Shanghai,
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day two:
Still stuck in Shanghai
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day three:
Fly to Guangzhou
take the train to CP
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day four...
Stuck in CP
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day five:
Still stuck in CP
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day Six:
Take the CP => Shenzhen Express bus
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day Seven:
Stuck in SZ
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day Eight:
Cross the border to HK.
Go to Kowloong
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day Nine:
Fly to Manila
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day Ten:
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day Eleven:
Relax a little because by now you would have to reload as your 100 rounds magazine is almost empty.
Day Twelve:
Fly to Cebu
Go Scuba diving. (See that why I told you to relax or else you will not do well in Scuba!
Day Thirdteen:
Magazine reloaded
Hook up with a Lady diving buddy (Lot of Japanese girls to chose from!)
Scuba dive...
At night.... Fxxk Fxxk
Day fourteen:
Relax .... in the morning
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk in the night
Day Fifteen:
Fly to Manila to catch a flight to Hongkong
Once in Hong Kong catch the Bus to Shenzhen
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day Sixteen:
Stuck in Shenzhen
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day Seventeen:
Catch the bus to CP
Reach CP
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day Eighten
Still in CP
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
Day Nineteen
Catch the bus to Guangzhou
Fxxk Fxxk Fxxk
4 days spare from your original schedule
Last Day:
Do shopping for home bound.
Fly back home
Forget about Xiamen, Forget about Guilin those are not to be discussed in ISG!
Hehehe... In case you are stil interested in Sightseeing .... I left 4 days for you to do so! Also, noticed there are more Fxxk in some towns/city then others? That's a hint.
Enjoy China!
AG
Tuscan Man
09-27-06, 17:07
Forget about Xiamen, Forget about Guilin those are not to be discussed in ISG!
Enjoy China Man!
AG[/QUOTE]Just curious as to why forget about Xiamen? I've heard differing opinions about women there. Whats your take on the women there?
Xiamen: I would keep it in your travel itenary, especially if you are not only into mongering, but also seeing a bit of China. Xiamen is a very nice town with a lovely old centre - just about the right size to walk around. Stay at Lujiang Hotel close to the Ferry port - it's cheap, nice and very centrally located. Don't miss the day trip to the lovely island just in front of Xiamen. For the countless mongering possibilities, check the Xiamen section - especially for the saunas.
Mobile: Indeed very practical for making hotel reservations, hooking up with people and sending SMS to girls that you met and would like to see again. Buy the cheapest GSM 900 mobile, a China Mobile number for around RMB 100 (already with 70 RMB credit for calls) and add credits with phone cards for RMB 100.
Shanghai: if you like to stay in nice places, check the Rui Jin Guesthouse in the French Concession - it's a very nice complex of old buildings with lots of character and atmosphere, situated in the middle of a large garden with different settings. It feels a bit surreal staying in such a nice, old and quiet place in the middle of the buzzling, crazy Shanghai ... a perfect place to fill up your batteries for nightly adventures. Not necessarily the best place for mongering, although you may be lucky with some of the SW close to the "House of Blues", a very nice Jazz bar (I was extremely lucky during my first stay in Shanghai). Normal rooms are around RMB 800-1000 (check the internet for cheapest price)
Have fun in China!
Hendrik
Ace Gallant
09-28-06, 02:15
Forget about Xiamen, Forget about Guilin those are not to be discussed in ISG!
Enjoy China Man!
AGJust curious as to why forget about Xiamen? I've heard differing opinions about women there. Whats your take on the women there?[/QUOTE]
Simple, if his trip is for mongering, CP and Shenzhen has it all, once you gone there; you would not want to go anywhere else because every mongering places is so near by and inexpensive!
However if the trip is not only for Mongering... yes; CP and Shenzhen basically has not much to offer in terms of Sightseeing.
AG
Yankee 617
09-28-06, 02:17
I'm overwhelmed by the great responses to my plea for advice.
The itinerary will stay pretty much as I stated. Guilin is a must as I have business there (that is what's paying for this trip). I will head to CP (via train -- or whatever OAH recommends) from GZ as soon as I get over the long flight from Boston via LAX. I will also check with OAH about hotels in CP. The Rui Jin Guesthouse in Shanghai sounds over my budget so I will pass on that.
I will not have much time in Xiamen (2 nights, 1 full day) and will look into the Lijian Hotel. I found their web site <http://www.fjta.com/xmlujiang/> which also provides their email address <lujihtl@public.xm.fj.cn>. I think Xiamen will be an interesting smaller city to see after all the big cities and, with luck, it might turn up some nice mongering.
I'll give the cell phone thing more thought. It certainly sounds cheap enough and I've been thinking about getting a prepaid SIM from T-Mobile anyway. (Yeah, I know its strange, I work in hi-tech and I still don't have one of these electronic leashes. It just shows you how cheap I am.)
I do have a phrase book (with English/pinyin/Mandarin... so I can point to stuff even if I can't say it), and I did take a quick course in Mandarin (although I got almost nothing out of it), but this won't help me out when trying to use a cell phone in China (especially in regions where they speak Cantonese).
Coming back from PI, I will try to skip directly through to SZ or CP without stopping overnight in HK. But I am not sure I can avoid overnight in HK because my flight gets there from Manila at 18:40. Is there a bus (or something) that goes directly to SZ or CP from the HK airport at that hour?
I buy my tickets on 9/28/06 and will then start gathering detailed info on local transport, hotels, mongering venues, etc for each of these cities. Any further tips (e.g., where to stay and how to get around in SH/SZ/HK) would be appreciated.
Yankee
PS) Shall I buy Cialis here before I depart or is it easily/cheaply available in GZ? (I will pack my own condoms.)
Just curious as to why forget about Xiamen? I've heard differing opinions about women there. Whats your take on the women there?Simple, if his trip is for mongering, CP and Shenzhen has it all, once you gone there; you would not want to go anywhere else because every mongering places is so near by and inexpensive!
However if the trip is not only for Mongering... yes; CP and Shenzhen basically has not much to offer in terms of Sightseeing.
AG[/QUOTE]IMHO Windows of the World and Splendid China (in Shenzhen) are worth a visit, especially WotW. I take my hat off to the Chinese for creating those models, even Niagra Falls- impressive and for around 100RMB, well worth about 4 hours of your life for each one- and it gives you a chance to regenerate!
Ace Gallant
09-28-06, 08:18
I'm overwhelmed by the great responses to my plea for advice.
PS) Shall I buy Cialis here before I depart or is it easily/cheaply available in GZ? (I will pack my own condoms.)
Ok Yank,
OAH can book you into CP Miraton hotel, PM me if you need help for Hotels in Shanghai.
From GZ to CP the best way is to take the train, there’s a 3.30pm train that will puts you in Dongguan station by 4:15pm, Remember, there is NO Chang Ping Station! Dongguan Station is CP!
No further comment on Xiamen and Guilin.
If you are that cheap, than buy the cheapest cell available in the market, Amoi has one that cost 350 RMB + 50 for the SIM that’s US$50! Trust me, YOU NEED A CELLPHONE! Especially when you do not speak the local language and you intend to wander out alone … you get lost, the cab does not speak your language, call back the hotel! They will give him the directions!
For Chinese Phases try this:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=494897&postcount=147
Or read off the Chinese phase Thread!
For bus from HKIA to CP or GZ read this:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=509722&postcount=1252
And this:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=509812&postcount=1254
Lastly: Cialis is not available in most parts of China, even if you can find some in medical shop, there is a high risk that it is fake. So you are better of the buy them in States and bring them over. Condoms sold in China are slightly smaller in width so if you have huge diggy… you put them in your packing list.
Enjoy!
AG
They are LOCKED, meaning you can't switch SIM card inside the phone with another carrier. T-Mobile gives you three months and they will then unlock for you but that's for regular plan and maybe not the prepaid/pay as you go plan.
If you're from Boston, go to the independent T-Mobile dealers in Chinatown and they will most likely have unlock phones for you. So are even free. But you have to sign up for a yearly contract. Maybe a minimum monthly contract of $39.99.
Otherwise, buy an used cheap phone in China or from a independent dealer in Chinatown (if they sell used. But I'm sure they have them in shop). I wouldn't pay more than $30.00. Tell them you just want to use it in China and don't get a GSM 850. Unlock GSM 900 phone is what you need.
Bill
I'll give the cell phone thing more thought. It certainly sounds cheap enough and I've been thinking about getting a prepaid SIM from T-Mobile anyway. (Yeah, I know its strange, I work in hi-tech and I still don't have one of these electronic leashes. It just shows you how cheap I am.)
I'm overwhelmed by the great responses to my plea for advice.
The itinerary will stay pretty much as I stated. Guilin is a must as I have business there (that is what's paying for this trip). I will head to CP (via train -- or whatever OAH recommends) from GZ as soon as I get over the long flight from Boston via LAX. I will also check with OAH about hotels in CP. The Rui Jin Guesthouse in Shanghai sounds over my budget so I will pass on that.
I will not have much time in Xiamen (2 nights, 1 full day) and will look into the Lijian Hotel. I found their web site <http://www.fjta.com/xmlujiang/> which also provides their email address <lujihtl@public.xm.fj.cn>. I think Xiamen will be an interesting smaller city to see after all the big cities and, with luck, it might turn up some nice mongering.
I'll give the cell phone thing more thought. It certainly sounds cheap enough and I've been thinking about getting a prepaid SIM from T-Mobile anyway. (Yeah, I know its strange, I work in hi-tech and I still don't have one of these electronic leashes. It just shows you how cheap I am.)
I do have a phrase book (with English/pinyin/Mandarin... so I can point to stuff even if I can't say it), and I did take a quick course in Mandarin (although I got almost nothing out of it), but this won't help me out when trying to use a cell phone in China (especially in regions where they speak Cantonese).
Coming back from PI, I will try to skip directly through to SZ or CP without stopping overnight in HK. But I am not sure I can avoid overnight in HK because my flight gets there from Manila at 18:40. Is there a bus (or something) that goes directly to SZ or CP from the HK airport at that hour?
I buy my tickets on 9/28/06 and will then start gathering detailed info on local transport, hotels, mongering venues, etc for each of these cities. Any further tips (e.g., where to stay and how to get around in SH/SZ/HK) would be appreciated.
Yankee
PS) Shall I buy Cialis here before I depart or is it easily/cheaply available in GZ? (I will pack my own condoms.)
Yankee 617
09-28-06, 22:01
Ok Yank,
Trust me, YOU NEED A CELLPHONE! Especially when you do not speak the local language and you intend to wander out alone … you get lost, the cab does not speak your language, call back the hotel! They will give him the directions!
Enjoy!
AG
That's the best argument in favor of a cell phone that I've heard yet! I certainly do like to wander about and explore on my own. Since I cannot read anything (and cannot communicate verbally either) I would be entirely dependent on my memory and recognition of landmarks... so getting totally lost is a real possibility that I don't relish.
Thanks everyone for all the other advice as well. I'll take it to heart.
Yankee
That's the best argument in favor of a cell phone that I've heard yet!
In addition if you meet a nice girl somewhere you can ask her to give you her cell phone number and contact her again any time later.
They are LOCKED, meaning you can't switch SIM card inside the phone with another carrier. T-Mobile gives you three months and they will then unlock for you but that's for regular plan and maybe not the prepaid/pay as you go plan.
If you're from Boston, go to the independent T-Mobile dealers in Chinatown and they will most likely have unlock phones for you. So are even free. But you have to sign up for a yearly contract. Maybe a minimum monthly contract of $39.99.
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Don't worry about bring a locked phone to China. Anyone phone place can unlock any phone for 20rmb (don't pay more than that).
I agree with everyone that you need a cellphone in China. You will find that you will use it a lot more than you think. With a cellphone, you can keep in touch with all the forum guys who are in China and can help you out via cellphone. Also you can get girls phone number and then call them to come to your room.
I use my cellphone less than 10 minutes per month in the U.S. however I have found that I use about 300 minutes when I am in China in about 1 month.
But the three times I have been offered to unlock my US locked phone, they were going to replace it with software in Chinese. So I declined.
How do I explain that to my service provider back in the state after I switch back SIM cards? Unless you can read Chinese or don't care about the phone's readable options.
Bill
Don't worry about bring a locked phone to China. Anyone phone place can unlock any phone for 20rmb (don't pay more than that).
I agree with everyone that you need a cellphone in China. You will find that you will use it a lot more than you think. With a cellphone, you can keep in touch with all the forum guys who are in China and can help you out via cellphone. Also you can get girls phone number and then call them to come to your room.
I use my cellphone less than 10 minutes per month in the U.S. however I have found that I use about 300 minutes when I am in China in about 1 month.
Old Mean Dog
10-14-06, 03:43
But the three times I have been offered to unlock my US locked phone, they were going to replace it with software in Chinese. So I declined.
How do I explain that to my service provider back in the state after I switch back SIM cards? Unless you can read Chinese or don't care about the phone's readable options.
BillIf you come to China more than once a year, just buy a mobile here. You can get a cheap one for less than $100 USD and where I live, I know the lady who sells the stolen ones for half price. Then just buy a SIM card, a time card and switch the phone to English. Wallah, problem solved and now you have easy access to chat up some pretty girls or make a date for a midnight lover.
Perhaps you can adivse how to get a sim card in China that would allow calls to be made internationally as well as within China and to Hong Kong. Should one get a number in Hong Kong first and then go to Shenzhen, etc?
I have tried different ways, and would be interested in hearing others experiences.
But the three times I have been offered to unlock my US locked phone, they were going to replace it with software in Chinese. So I declined.
How do I explain that to my service provider back in the state after I switch back SIM cards? Unless you can read Chinese or don't care about the phone's readable options.
Bill
I had 2 friends unlock their U.S. phone for 20rmb and they did not change any software at all. Their phone does not have any of the Chinese software after the unlock. However I do agree that it might be better if you get a cheap, simple phone in China. I have never lost any cellphone in the U.S. at all (5 years) and have lost 2 phones in China already. So get the cheapest phone that you like because there is a good chance you will lose it sometime in the near future.
It appears that some of you think that I need help with my cell phone in China. Not so. I was replying to Yankee617 on his cell phone inquiry and posting my experience. I carry at least two unlocked phones with me when I return to China. I leave the expensive one in the hotel/secured apartment and travel with the cheapie phone. The expensive one is my back up phone. You have to be careful of your cellphone in CHina. A lot of pickpockets go after the cellphones.
Concerning this inquiry on international calls, I find it least expensive to buy a calling card in China and use my hotel/cellphone to call a local number and then input a long ass numeric password that connects me back to the state.
Depending where you plan on using the phone the most, you should get one there. I usually travel through HK and I gotten one HK SIM card in the past 10 years. It expired by the time I returned. It was convenient at that time because my family was also traveling in HK. I don't think HK SIM cards work in China. I know my China SIM card kicks in the minute I cross the SZ border into China and turns off the minute I cross the border back into HK.
But there are some China SIM cards that works outside China. For instance, a fellow monger stayed at the Lisboa Hotel in Macau and was able to use his China cellphone from his hotel room only on the upper floors.
Bill
Perhaps you can adivse how to get a sim card in China that would allow calls to be made internationally as well as within China and to Hong Kong. Should one get a number in Hong Kong first and then go to Shenzhen, etc?
I have tried different ways, and would be interested in hearing others experiences.
Cebu Local
10-15-06, 03:26
With all due respect Bill,This discussion has been very Informative BUT not about Chinese Women.Dont you think this is better under the General Info category.Cheers
But the thread wasn't started by me. I have no more to say.
Bill
With all due respect Bill,This discussion has been very Informative BUT not about Chinese Women.Dont you think this is better under the General Info category.Cheers
Flower Seeker
10-30-06, 03:19
Can anyone tell me what the norm is when it comes to Chinese women performing felatio?
My part-time gf (I am part-time in China) performs excelent oral sex. On the one hand this is fantastic, glorious, orgasmic. On the other hand it makes me question how she learnt to do it. I don't think that deep throating comes naturally and must be learned and practised. She claims to have had only one sexual experience before me.
What are the odds that she is or was a working girl?
Tequila Kid
10-31-06, 03:27
Can anyone tell me what the norm is when it comes to Chinese women performing felatio?
My part-time gf (I am part-time in China) performs excelent oral sex. On the one hand this is fantastic, glorious, orgasmic. On the other hand it makes me question how she learnt to do it. I don't think that deep throating comes naturally and must be learned and practised. She claims to have had only one sexual experience before me.
What are the odds that she is or was a working girl?
My theory is you can find two types of women in China who give good fellatio...
Type 1 - the pro or semi-pro. Because it is a job necessity.
Type 2 - an undersexed, college educated, 25-35 yo girl, maybe divorced, independent and starving for affection. They learn it because, they want to keep you happy and they want the reciprocal.
I have run into several of the type 2.
Once you pique their interest, they open up to a relationship with a westener. No money need exchange. They have enough or more than enough to live on. They make great GF's, as they are not in it for the money and they love the interest you show. [your greatest cost is the time needed to maintain some semblance of a relationship]. They are OK with you having a family back home, But not OK with you seeing other women in China.
I think type 2 women are all over the developed eastern cities. I think they are China's best keep secret. The only challenge, many of them spike little or no english. ;-(
TK
I thought this report of Tequila Kid was absolutly spot on, I have found that Shanghai is full of this type.
Perhaps the reason why is that often this type 2 in Shanghai is from another part of the country and her family is not in town to keep her under control.
Ace Gallant
10-31-06, 05:24
My theory is you can find two types of women in China who give good fellatio...
Type 1 - the pro or semi-pro. Because it is a job necessity.
Type 2 - an undersexed, college educated, 25-35 yo girl, maybe divorced, independent and starving for affection. They learn it because, they want to keep you happy and they want the reciprocal.
I have run into several of the type 2.
Once you pique their interest, they open up to a relationship with a westener. No money need exchange. They have enough or more than enough to live on. They make great GF's, as they are not in it for the money and they love the interest you show. [your greatest cost is the time needed to maintain some semblance of a relationship]. They are OK with you having a family back home, But not OK with you seeing other women in China.
I think type 2 women are all over the developed eastern cities. I think they are China's best keep secret. The only challenge, many of them spike little or no english. ;-(
TK
Not really;
I have a lot of freebies that are below 25 years of age. Some of them do not know how to do Oral sex from the start and I have to basically teach them from ground zero. All of them could continue to do oral sex and in some cases I even taught a few to swallow and they love it after a while! Of course there are a number of them who still think that it is "dirty" and do not like to swallow, but they would still do the oral sex part without complains. However, I do agree that they would do it because they want to satisfy you and in satisfy you they would assumed that they would "capture" your heart.
Enjoy
AG
Flower Seeker
10-31-06, 07:48
Thanks for the advice gentlemen. I am far more optimisitic about her honesty, whilst keeping an open mind.
Just wanted to add, I had a live in girlfriend that was a ktv working girl. I only payed the rent and took her shopping now and then. I wanted to help her improve her life and I asked her if I paid her 4500 yuan a month would she leave her job. Her answer made a lot of sense and I believe it is the thinking of most of these girls when dealing with a foreigner that does not live in China.
She said if she quit her job gave up her regular customers and six months from now I don’t come back to China then where would she be? She has given up her customer base that she built over two years and has to start over again. It made sense and I think these girls just can’t trust or depend on a foreigner. Even though they may really like you, they can’t open their hearts because they wonder will you come back next time or not? Actually in hindsight I’m glad the girl didn’t take me up on the 4500 yuan offer I still got all the sex I needed from her for 1500 yuan a month (rent money). Also, if I find a girl I like, and talk her into living with me, I rent the apartment under her name. This way if I want to get rid of her, I do the leaving and she can’t stick to me. Are you still with her?
Curious. I had a WG girlfriend without knowing what she did. After breaking up I've had several WG gf's stay with me a while, but not on a semi permanent basis. Would you hook up with a WG long term? Does it bother you what she does every day (night?) or are you OK with it? I think we have double standards and are happy to fuck around but want our women faithful. Just curious how you feel on these issues?
Perhaps you can adivse how to get a sim card in China that would allow calls to be made internationally as well as within China and to Hong Kong. Should one get a number in Hong Kong first and then go to Shenzhen, etc?
I have tried different ways, and would be interested in hearing others experiences.If you have someone who speaks good Chinese who can inquire about one that is available, it is a Sim card available in Shenzhen that works also in Hong Kong. Same pricing as the others- dependant on number.
My wife bought me it so we can keep in touch when I go there from SZ (or more like to keep track of me).
Satellite
Mock A Bee
11-18-06, 14:00
Can anyone tell me what the norm is when it comes to Chinese women performing felatio?
My part-time gf (I am part-time in China) performs excelent oral sex. On the one hand this is fantastic, glorious, orgasmic. On the other hand it makes me question how she learnt to do it. I don't think that deep throating comes naturally and must be learned and practised. She claims to have had only one sexual experience before me.
What are the odds that she is or was a working girl?
How do Western women learn to give good bj's?
Some are good and some are not.
Chinese girls can be just as enthusiastic as those from any other country.
On the other hand, to generalize, Chinese girls do tend to think it is a "dirty" sex act, and many will refuse. It is often thought of as degrading, and for prostitutes only. But that is just generalizing of course.
My advice, don't question it, and just relax and enjoy!
MAB
Are you still with her?
Curious. I had a WG girlfriend without knowing what she did. After breaking up I've had several WG gf's stay with me a while, but not on a semi permanent basis. Would you hook up with a WG long term? Does it bother you what she does every day (night?) or are you OK with it? I think we have double standards and are happy to fuck around but want our women faithful. Just curious how you feel on these issues?I have mixed feelings about a long term relationship with a WG, but I do believe it can work. I have had several that have lasted over a year or so but I'm the one that gets board and moves on. All my ktv girlfriends don't speak English and I don't speak Chinese but we seem to be able to live together for a year or more. They can be very domestic. Washing your clothes, cooking etc. But sometimes they go off overnight with a customer and if you have feelings for her it can be difficult. I have adapted by having more than one girlfriend. If my live-in gf is not coming home for the night. I call gf #2 and go to her place or she comes to mine, leaving by 8am before gf #1 shows up. Sometimes it can get tricky, like having two dinners on the same night, but I get a rush from it. I have been with a lot of ktv girls and when I get the vibe that the girl may not be a gold digger on you then I go for her. Out of 5 girlfriends I did get burned once. The other 4 girls were down to earth, didn't require shopping every week and eventually didn't require shopping at all and most never asked for money. I would say there where two girls ages around 23 y. O that were willing to settle down wanting to live a normal life raising a family etc. One girl took me to meet her family and I became rather close to her father and brother and still am. So yeah, you can find wg for long term but it's not easy. You have to live in China to make that work. I am just a frequent visitor and I know my live-in girl has had a boyfriend stay over at the apartment while I am gone. I'm ok with it and expect that will happen. As long as she's ready to give me the royal treatment when I'm back in town. That's what counts.
If your single and living there, from what I can tell in the ktv world I would say at least 20% off the girls could be long term candidates. There are two kinds of KTV girls those that are full time WG's brought in by the clubs. Then there are the hostes girls that are part timers as WG depending on how there money situation is for the month, they may go with no guy or one or two guys for the whole month so this is the group I concentrate on fishing when looking for a gf. This second group of girls don't start out as hookers. Some start out as a door greeter then when there is an opening move up to waitress. After awhile they see the money the hostess girls make and they end up moving into that position. Once they start on the drinking route and they end up meeting a guy that treats them right they may sleep with him. So it wasn't so bad why not sleep with a guy for money. I hear this story several times. These are nice girls with a bad job. Yeah, in this group you can find a longterm gf that will treat you right.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Albert Punter
01-18-07, 16:01
Read this interesting article
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-01/18/content_5621064.htm
but what is your opinion ?
Albert Punter
02-06-07, 17:37
Do chinese women marry for love or for money?
Just read this interesting article
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-02/06/content_5703781.htm
Well I have one now and she has been with me for almost 6 months. No mention of money or anything. She is the ULTIMATE maid too. Pampers me like a king and won't let me do anything at home. Of course she still works couple of days a week but that doesn't bother me. We came to a mutual understanding that nothing will come of this (marriage etc) and she tells me that all she is looking for is for someone to be with and to care about her as well as have some meaningful sex. I told her upfront and my other gf that I have another woman on the side and they are both fine with it. Sometimes the truth does work. So yes if you are careful and in it for the right reasons then a LT relationship with a working girl will work. Just don't forget to keep your emotions in check because I have met a number of guys who said it was just play and then end up marrying the girl.
Borisbumbum
02-12-07, 09:48
Hi,
What happens, when you bang a chinese massage girl and make her pregnant?
Tuscan Man
02-13-07, 09:03
Do chinese women marry for love or for money ?
Just read this interesting article
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-02/06/content_5703781.htmI read a recent article online from an English teacher in China who asked his middle school class if they would mary for love or for money? He was surprised by the answers. He said that 85% of the girls said they would marry for money and all the boys said they would marry for love. He asked the girls why they would choose money and not love. Simple answer. "You can not be sure about love but you can be sure about money. " WOW! Scarry!
Well this depends on if she is legit or ilegit massage.
The ones that are prostitutes have a local clinic that takes care of these problems. Just pay her 4-5 hundred RMB if she bothers you about it and you never want to see her again.
If you want to see her again or she is a gf ( if she is gf what were you doing not putting her on the pill) be nice about it and offer assistance as she needs it.
Crazy Jim Wood
02-13-07, 22:29
Hi,
What happens, when you bang a chinese massage girl and make her pregnant?If you really do not want to be bothered, say to her that she sleeps with anyone and everyone and that there is no reason to believe that it is yours and that she should [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. Even if it is yours, this will dash all her hopes and she will feel so demoralized that she will get an abortion and will never talk to you again.
Fortunately, even if she has the baby to spite you, it will be difficult for an uneducated massage girl to pursue a paternity case across international borders.
If you want to "do the right thing" and pay for the abortion, go with her to the hospital. Pay only what is on the receipt. You will also sleep easier knowing that the job has been done. Who knows, you may even be able to claim it on your medical insurance or taxes. In China abortion is widely accepted, even preferred, due to the One Child Policy, and the girl will likely not object. In fact, it may be difficult to convince her to keep it, given the legal situation: the child will have no hukou (birth register) and will not be elligible for free medical care, education, etc.
If you want to keep the child, an ultrasound several weeks into the pregnancy can tell you very accurately when the child was conceived and you can then decide if the child could be yours or not. The ultrasound will tell you while still leaving plenty of time to abort should it not be yours. Impress upon the young woman that you WILL get a DNA test after birth and ditch her if it is not yours. She will not want to be burdened with the child if no one is there to support her, so if she waffles at this point it may be an indication that the child is not yours.
Then you get a box of cigars and go to the bar to get drunk. Choose a bar you do not frequent often, just in case things don't work out. Wait until after the DNA test to tell your parents that they are now grandparents.
CJW
Old Mean Dog
02-14-07, 04:09
Hi,
What happens, when you bang a chinese massage girl and make her pregnant?
YOU become a daddy. Take care of your kid
Crazy Jim Wood
02-15-07, 22:50
I read a recent article online from an English teacher in China who asked his middle school class if they would mary for love or for money? He was surprised by the answers. He said that 85% of the girls said they would marry for money and all the boys said they would marry for love. Not a surprising answer, since middle school boys have no money.
Chuck Norris
03-06-07, 06:52
Not a surprising answer, since middle school boys have no money.Doesn't that make their answer all the more suprising? If they already had money you could understand them marrying for love. The fact that they are skint but still would marry for love, well.
Interesting piece of trivia anyhow ;)
Chuck Norris
03-06-07, 07:01
I read a recent article online from an English teacher in China who asked his middle school class if they would mary for love or for money? He was surprised by the answers. He said that 85% of the girls said they would marry for money and all the boys said they would marry for love. He asked the girls why they would choose money and not love. Simple answer. "You can not be sure about love but you can be sure about money. " WOW! Scarry!Brother, thats just one part of reality Chinese style. You can either embrace it or be intimidated by it. I think if you want to grow as a person and experience life as opposed to merely observing it you need to roll up those sleeves and muck in, get those hands dirty and have a great freakin time while your at it! :)
Just my 2c.
Clean Gene
04-14-07, 08:32
Lighten up, there is danger in marrying a Chinese woman, but no more than in marrying any woman from any country. Chinese women are just as caring and affectionate, illogical, or selfish as women from any other country. In fact, a sophisticated North American, European, or even Thai (from what I have seen on the Thailand forum) is going to do a better job cleaning you out in a divorce than an unsophisticated Chinese peasant woman. Instead of saying we can't understand Chinese women because they are Chinese, you should say we cannot understand them because they are women.
How you make out with a woman is more about you and her than it is about the country she comes from.
I have never worked for an OGA but this is just commen sense!I like your posts, so I looked up a few more.
About "unsophisticated Chinese women", I married one. She was working in a large town as a plant breeder (as in Ag Biz). I used to frequent this town since it was a supplier of clean young country girls for foreign visitors at a nearby installation. This particular girl was in her mid twenties and had been left by a boy friend who went on to college and married another. She often carried a half of a pair of scissors to protect her "xiao mei mei". I bought her a pair of Gerber shears which came apart to become two combat daggers. That and a few other gifts (a rugged water proof watch, a Swiss Army knife, etc.) allowed me to touch and kiss her a bit. Eventually Dick and Lady Jane had fun. At about that time, my mother needed a full time care giver, and I decided this was a straight and reliable girl for the job. I moved her to the States and she has given my mother loyal and loving care for over 15 years now. I gave her one kid to tie her down a bit. She wanted another, but I figured one was sufficient.
Neuromancer
04-14-07, 15:42
If you want to "do the right thing" and pay for the abortion, go with her to the hospital. Pay only what is on the receipt. You will also sleep easier knowing that the job has been done. Who knows, you may even be able to claim it on your medical insurance or taxes. In China abortion is widely accepted, even preferred, due to the One Child Policy, and the girl will likely not object. In fact, it may be difficult to convince her to keep it, given the legal situation: the child will have no hukou (birth register) and will not be elligible for free medical care, education, etc.
CJWJim - what you mean "child will have no hukou"? Is it required that both parents are registered?
About "unsophisticated Chinese women", I married one.
I moved her to the States and she has given my mother loyal and loving care for over 15 years now. I gave her one kid to tie her down a bit. She wanted another, but I figured one was sufficient.
I have a friend who married a Shanghai lady. They live in the US, married 12 years and get along great. I very nice lady!
On the otherhand, do a google search on Nina Wang, the Shanghai girl who married a Hong Kong billionaire. She really cleaned his clock! She forged his will and then had him dumped into the ocean. She recently died at age 69. Look for her amazing story in the New York Times obituaries.
Clean Gene
04-15-07, 18:52
I have a friend who married a Shanghai lady. They live in the US, married 12 years and get along great. I very nice lady!
On the otherhand, do a google search on Nina Wang, the Shanghai girl who married a Hong Kong billionaire. She really cleaned his clock! She forged his will and then had him dumped into the ocean. She recently died at age 69. Look for her amazing story in the New York Times obituaries.Thanks. We get along great also.
I don't spend too much time at home because "you can't take the country out of the girl". She can become unreasonably jealous.
Although she remembers fondly the comfort of the first pair of running shoes I bought her and the durability of the first polyester outfit (as durable as the outfits she made from the dyed polypropylene fertilizer sacks), she shows little gratitude for the shoes and clothes she now buys.
Hardly a day goes by without her mentioning that she wants a big house with a view of the mountains and the water like the one now owned by my ex.
Hardly a month goes by without a phone call in the middle of the night from a relative needing help over some disaster. And the impossibility of talking to an unreasoning woman screaming back, "I have to do it." (The fault lies not in our stars. I tried to explain to her that her only choice in these matters is whether to send money or not send. Stupid me. She had already decided.)
Clean Gene
04-15-07, 19:22
The fault is all mine.
"Pennywise, pound foolish." I thought "country girl" was worth a couple of grand a month taking care of my mother. (And I could get good service when home, at no extra cost.) And I could rid myself of her later. Little did I realize my mother would leave joint custody of her money with "Country girl". And the choice is not so easy. And I am PISSED. And I have to smile and not show my distress. I am PISSED! PISSED! PISSED!
Clean Gene
04-21-07, 09:09
Sorry. No need to get riled.
I still get to manage the investments. Wifey and I must both sign for disbursements. With investment earnings averaging over 10% over recent years, the account should increase several times over my lifetime with even a far greater expenditure than she now drains.
So it's no big thing. She'll also be spending the summer with me in China, now that my mother has passed. Oy vey.
Hi,
What happens, when you bang a chinese massage girl and make her pregnant?
If I were you, I would be more worried about your own health. If the massage girl had allowed you to bonk her, think of how many men would have had bonked her before you. Since you made her pregnant, you obviously did not use a condom. In that case, you have a high chance of catching any number of diseases from that massage girl. Getting her pregnant, if indeed it was you who impregnated her, is the least of your worries. Go get a checkup to ensure that you have not caught any incurable sexually transmitted disease pronto.
[QUOTE=Clean Gene]Hardly a day goes by without her mentioning that she wants a big house with a view of the mountains and the water like the one now owned by my ex.
QUOTE]
If you ex wife can now own half your property and still have a big house with a view, what happened to your own half of the big house with a view? If you were able to give your ex such property, why have you not provided with your present better half with the same or better house?
The fault is all mine.
"Pennywise, pound foolish." I thought "country girl" was worth a couple of grand a month taking care of my mother. (And I could get good service when home, at no extra cost.) And I could rid myself of her later. Little did I realize my mother would leave joint custody of her money with "Country girl". And the choice is not so easy. And I am PISSED. And I have to smile and not show my distress. I am PISSED! PISSED! PISSED!
"And I could rid myself of her later". What sort of a man are you? You want to get rid of country girl when you think you have no further use for her? Thank God your mother had sense and left half of what could have been all yours with the country girl. I know not what is in your mind boasting your evil thoughts here.
Crazy Jim Wood
05-05-07, 18:46
Jim - what you mean "child will have no hukou"? Is it required that both parents are registered?
China has a planned breeding program.
Legally, I believe that each married couple can have one boy or one girl and then a second child. Some ethnicities have no legal limit.
However, even if you are married and authorized a child, you still need to wait for permission to have a child, because each segment of the population is permitted so many children per year, etc.
Unmarried couples are not authorized children in the plan.
If you have a child outside of the plan (unmarried, you already have one child, or you are married have no children but it is not your turn yet) the child, called "hei hai zi", will get no hukou.
That means no free medical care, free schooling, etc.
I have heard that you can arrange a hukou for 10,000 RMB or so.
CJW
Crazy Jim Wood
05-05-07, 19:02
The fault is all mine.
"Pennywise, pound foolish." I thought "country girl" was worth a couple of grand a month taking care of my mother. (And I could get good service when home, at no extra cost.) And I could rid myself of her later. Little did I realize my mother would leave joint custody of her money with "Country girl". And the choice is not so easy. And I am PISSED. And I have to smile and not show my distress. I am PISSED! PISSED! PISSED!
I think you were right, she probably was worth that, if it weren't for the the joint custody. I am surprised that your mother did that. I think some people really mean well but may have an innocent view on human relations. I think when I get old & ready to die I will leave everything to my natural children, not their spouses.
CJW
I think when I get old & ready to die I will leave everything to my natural children, not their spouses.
CJW
CJW
When i get to that situation, i will take a hop on a jet (first class of course) and take a limo directly into CP/Dongguan and select ten GFE stunners to spend the night with.. if that don't kill me during the my feast... i will bring in another ten until they carry my body out of there with a grin ear to ear. hell with the spouse ( she could join the nunnery), kids ( my kids already have a trust fund) and so call friends. My heirs could do what ever they want... im dead already. As for the gal riding me while i have the big heart attack, she gets 50K Rmb for my ride to eternity.
just my pov
Clean Gene
05-06-07, 10:53
I think you were right, she probably was worth that, if it weren't for the the joint custody. I am surprised that your mother did that. I think some people really mean well but may have an innocent view on human relations. I think when I get old & ready to die I will leave everything to my natural children, not their spouses.
CJWCJW,
The trust is well set up. But still got to be careful. A good trust lawyer could cause trouble.
Country Girl (wife) is attractive and 20 some years younger than myself (who is fighting baldness, waistline-fat, blood glucose, LDL, triclycerides, Blood pressure etc). So I've got to be nice.
Good thing my GF left the faucets on during a power failure (the booster pump wasn't getting water to the 12th floor). When the power went back up, the apartment became a swimming pool. So I can set up a new apartment with Country Girl.
CG
Clean Gene
05-06-07, 20:07
CJW:
Good insight. You're perceptive on my mother's thinking. She skips me, and goes to grandchildren. She stipulates that one half of the previous year's after tax investment income may be disbursed by a majority decision of Myself, Country Girl, and my son (by my ex).
I am trying to establish better relations with the son. I tell the boy how proud I am of him (PhD Stanford), but he is a dork. Works as a Silicon Valley grunt, lives in a shit-hole with his in-laws, and drives a domestic car. Uses the word "mainlander" like a cuss word. "You're like a a Fuck-up Mainlander"
And it is surprising my mother included Country Girl. Mother has long had great reserve toward the dark races. Even last Thanksgiving, she said to me, "More dark meat? You find it juicier? Tenderer? tastier? Do try a little white meat. Too dry? No taste? How about some cranberry sauce?"
And I'm with you CJW. Money on good pussy is money well spent.
CG
OldAsiaHand
05-09-07, 02:40
I get my fair share of freebies. Most fall in the 30-40 y.o. range. I did one last night for the first time. She was closer to 40. The problem is that even though I took a Vitamin V, I still could not keep it up or pop. This is not the first time I have had this experience. This never happens to me with P4P, but then I am usually doing 18-24 y.o. girls. However, I do not get many freebies in that age group at my age. Any suggestions?
OAH
Superforce99
05-09-07, 03:28
I get my fair share of freebies. Most fall in the 30-40 y.o. range. I did one last night for the first time. She was closer to 40. The problem is that even though I took a Vitamin V, I still could not keep it up or pop. This is not the first time I have had this experience. This never happens to me with P4P, but then I am usually doing 18-24 y.o. girls. However, I do not get many freebies in that age group at my age. Any suggestions?
OAH
Tell your 30-40 year old freebies to wear a mask to look 18-24 years old and then let you fuck them anally to get that tighter sensation.
Problems solved! That'll be a $75 consultation fee. Cash only, no checks.
Dr. J
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