China Women - Opinions and Advice

[Santa]

I get my fair share of freebies. Most fall in the 30-40 y.o. range. I did one last night for the first time. She was closer to 40. The problem is that even though I took a Vitamin V, I still could not keep it up or pop.

Any suggestions?

OAH

Buy her some red boots! :D

[Old Mean Dog]

I get my fair share of freebies. Most fall in the 30-40 y.o. range. I did one last night for the first time. She was closer to 40. The problem is that even though I took a Vitamin V, I still could not keep it up or pop. This is not the first time I have had this experience. This never happens to me with P4P, but then I am usually doing 18-24 y.o. girls. However, I do not get many freebies in that age group at my age. Any suggestions?

OAH

Gotta agree with Johnny, at least turn off the lights and buy some big winter mittens to wear so you can't feel her droopy tits and wrinkles!! Then, close your eyes and think of it being one of them sexy young things you like so much with red boots on!

-SZE

P.S. If your able, deadlifts work wonders for your sex life and stamina. Nothing like a strong back to grind with.

[Pleasure Dude]

Hey OldAsiaHand,

This is Pleasure Dude. I am back in the US now and still can't forget the great time we had in shenzhen. It is so boring over here. Will have to visit China soon.

I will have the same problem as you if freebies falls in the 30 40 range while you can get a younger one for 150 RMB. My suggestion is simply skip them unless they are super fine. So many great opportunities out there but there is only one of you. Gotta save your energy for the best.

PD


I get my fair share of freebies. Most fall in the 30-40 y. O. Range. I did one last night for the first time. She was closer to 40. The problem is that even though I took a Vitamin V, I still could not keep it up or pop. This is not the first time I have had this experience. This never happens to me with P4P, but then I am usually doing 18-24 y. O. Girls. However, I do not get many freebies in that age group at my age. Any suggestions?

OAH

[Clean Gene]

I get my fair share of freebies. Most fall in the 30-40 y.o. range. I did one last night for the first time. She was closer to 40. The problem is that even though I took a Vitamin V, I still could not keep it up or pop. This is not the first time I have had this experience. This never happens to me with P4P, but then I am usually doing 18-24 y.o. girls. However, I do not get many freebies in that age group at my age. Any suggestions?

OAHOAH:

I have had similar problems. As a friend of mine now at a Univ in Sendai says, "16-24 is prime".

I believe it has to do with pheromones or perhaps hormones. Some women emit more than others. And young women in their prime are best. When stuck with an older woman, I can sometimes bring it about by lots of foreplay...DFK and DATY. Perhaps the foreplay stimulates more emitted molecues from the woman, or perhaps just having one's nose closer to the source of emitted molecues provides the necessary stimulation. Some guys with an older wife, they are faithful to, will hire a young massage girl to rub and stimulate before getting it up to do their wife.

Live long and thrive!

CG

[Clean Gene]

I get my fair share of freebies. Most fall in the 30-40 y. O. Range. I did one last night for the first time. She was closer to 40. The problem is that even though I took a Vitamin V, I still could not keep it up or pop. This is not the first time I have had this experience. This never happens to me with P4P, but then I am usually doing 18-24 y. O. Girls. However, I do not get many freebies in that age group at my age. Any suggestions?

OAHThe late Sam Peckinpah used to feel that some locals had more of this molecular appeal (my terminology, not his) than others. He thought girls of Northern Mexico were great, but still second to Qingdao girls. (Although he must have been quite young when a Marine in Qingdao.)

CG

[Ace Gallant]

IMHO:

If I do a girl and I carry the thoughts that I am fucking a pro, I just want to get it out!; I would need to engage in a lot more different positions and longer period (2 hrs) before I can pop. But there are exceptions as the more experience pros need not need to be taught.

If I do a girl with the thoughts that she is my GF, it is likely that I will be able pop together with her orgazm.

A lot of other factors counts too; Factors like the sounds she makes during the fucking, the foreplay, the tightness of her pussy, the BJ.... etc.

I do also have a problem of taking a long time (Minimum of 1 hr) to pop but if it a girl I really like, I can pop in 2 minutes and pop a second/third time (Without resting) in the next 5-10 minutes.

I remembered my greatest record was popping 5 times over 5 girls (5 to 1) in 1 hr. That was 4 years ago in the Philippines. But on the other end of the scale, I took 4 hours to pop just once on a 9/10 Chinese Actress from Beijing. Almost killed her! And I popped in just 5 mins while fucking the same Chinese actress's older sister 8/10 (5 years older). So, for me, it is not a question of where the girl is from or the age of the girls; It is all in my own brain.

Enjoy!
AG

[Clean Gene]

IMH

If I do a girl with the thoughts that she is my GF, it is likely that I will be able pop together with her orgazm.

I do also have a problem of taking a long time (Minimum of 1 hr) to pop but if it a girl I really like, I can pop in 2 minutes and pop a second/third time (Without resting) in the next 5-10 minutes.

I remembered my greatest record was popping 5 times over 5 girls (5 to 1) in 1 hr. That was 4 years ago in the Philippines. But on the other end of the scale, I took 4 hours to pop just once on a 9/10 Chinese Actress from Beijing. Almost killed her! And I popped in just 5 mins while fucking the same Chinese actress's older sister 8/10 (5 years older). So, for me, it is not a question of where the girl is from or the age of the girls; It is all in my own brain.

Bravo AG. The mind is the master chemist!

Two stories for the youngsters.

1. Some years ago I caught a dose from a hot young African lady (part Kikuyu, part White.) Not painful like the clap, but I could feel something was wrong. During the following year (a very stressful year), my only sexual thought was, "Why do I never think of sex? And not even a wet dream!" When I got back, a doctor told me that he had the same thing in med school. And he said I had been under much stress. I did not get better. I met a love of my life, and I couldn't. (I can still see her pale blue eyes on me.) The equipment just wouldn't work. I knew it wasn't my mind because my mind wanted to so bad, and so did she. I got referred to a wonderful urologist (Jacobsen) who unclogged a few ducts in my prostate. And I was in business again. Have since sired a half a dozen kids.

2. A young fellow, "Y" who sometimes runs errands for me, got out of prison (Bai Hu, an island prison in a lake southeast of Hefei) a while ago, was unable to pop except by his own hand. He tried all sorts of girls (SW's, school girls, farmgirls, older women etc.), but couldn't pop. Finally he got together with his first girl (who taught him fuckin' and druggin') and was cured. He has since gotten a couple babies started. First one aborted. Second with a really fine girl, a college graduate a couple of years older than "Y". They're getting married.

CG

Enjoy!

AGSome how the article won't post.

[Transporter]

I think it all comes down to that feeling of being "evil"
Although most won't admit it, its always a bit exciting to be hitting a girl that is as young or younger than your own kids. Because something just seems to be not right there. Its the added "rush" of doing something that might not be percieved as kosher.

[Ace Gallant]

I think it all comes down to that feeling of being "evil"
Although most won't admit it, its always a bit exciting to be hitting a girl that is as young or younger than your own kids. Because something just seems to be not right there. Its the added "rush" of doing something that might not be percieved as kosher.

Nah... not everyone likes young girls. I know a number of mongers who personally likes girls that are women and not girls as in girls.... ;)

As I said, for me its all in your own head!

Enjoy!
AG

[Tile Man4]

Nah... not everyone likes young girls. I know a number of mongers who personally likes girls that are women and not girls as in girls.... ;)

As I said, for me its all in your own head!

Enjoy!

AGMy age group is 35 to 45. Plus or minus a few years. I do feel that I am with my daughter when I am with a 20 year old woman. You sex organ is in your head (for both men and women). My Daughter is 26, so I do have guilt about young women. I know this is my problem AND I have no problem with men who want the young ones. ENJOY

This would be a boring world if everyone looked like me or thought like me. I want a woman that knows what she is doing. I have no time to teach sex anymore. I had 3 young women in Guangzhou, just a waste of my time.

You all enjoy yourself and take care.

Tile Man

[Downunder96]

careful of this discussion, we don't want this deviate to **** girls!!
having said that, i find that chinese working girls usually report at least 1-2 years older of their actual age. especially those in late teens. when they say they are say 20 years old i always quickly ask their chinese lunar animal. it should be rabbit if they are 20 years old. you will find that most will hesitate about telling!!
du96


i think it all comes down to that feeling of being "evil"
although most won't admit it, its always a bit exciting to be hitting a girl that is as young or younger than your own kids. because something just seems to be not right there. its the added "rush" of doing something that might not be percieved as kosher.

[Bnlee2]

careful of this discussion, we don't want this deviate to **** girls!!
having said that, i find that chinese working girls usually report at least 1-2 years older of their actual age. especially those in late teens. when they say they are say 20 years old i always quickly ask their chinese lunar animal. it should be rabbit if they are 20 years old. you will find that most will hesitate about telling!!
du96
i usually ask them the birth year immediately, if they hesitate and looks a bit younger, i move my interest to the next girl. do not like to venture into such young gals.

[Old Mean Dog]

i usually ask them the birth year immediately, if they hesitate and looks a bit younger, i move my interest to the next girl. do not like to venture into such young gals.

If they use the traditional method of birthdays, then they will appear one year older than we think because, the old Chinese way was to consider themselves one year old when born while in the West, we start at zero.

I also think the mommies tell them to say they are 18, if they are younger than that so, even asking a girl for her age does not prove she is and they don't carry around driver's license's like we do.

[Ace Gallant]

If they use the traditional method of birthdays, then they will appear one year older than we think because, the old Chinese way was to consider themselves one year old when born while in the West, we start at zero.

I also think the mommies tell them to say they are 18, if they are younger than that so, even asking a girl for her age does not prove she is and they don't carry around driver's license's like we do.

Not forgetting the fact that most of the girls' parents in China have 2 years deducted to their year of birth in order for them to get out to the workforce earlier....

Asking them or looking at their IDs, proves nothing. Most of the time I just ask them which Chinese Horoscope their belongs to. Unknowingly they will tell you the truth and from there you will be able to calculate the year.

For your information the following applies:

Year of the Horse = 1979 = 28 years old
Year of the Sheep = 1980 = 27 years old
Year of Monkey = 1981 = 26 years old
Year of Dog = 1982 = 25 years old
Year of Pig = 1983 = 24 years old
Year of Rat = 1984 = 23 years old
Year of Ox = 1985 = 22 years old
Year of Tiger = 1986 = 21 years old
Year of Rabbit = 1987 = 20 years old
Year of Dragon = 1988 = 19 Years old
Year of Snake 1989 = 18 years old

Later than 1989 the year restarts from Horse again again. So if the girl tell you that she is year of Horse but she don't looks like she is 28 and looks much younger... you better think twice!

Enjoy!
AG

[Clean Gene]

My 2 stories (#761) for youngsters got mixed with AG Quote.

#2. (addendum) "Y" is marrying a gorgeous bride-to-be: 26 yo (2 years older than "Y"). Tall beauty (176 cm), capable. Big plans for wedding. 200 tables. I'm out of country right now, so I sent 5,000 USD as gift.

"Y" has connections. He can also bring me a fresh farm girl when I feel the inclination to "kai hong".

[Ace Gallant]

My 2 stories (#761) for youngsters got mixed with AG Quote.

#2. (addendum) "Y" is marrying a gorgeous bride-to-be: 26 yo (2 years older than "Y"). Tall beauty (176 cm), capable. Big plans for wedding. 200 tables. I'm out of country right now, so I sent 5,000 USD as gift.

"Y" has connections. He can also bring me a fresh farm girl when I feel the inclination to "kai hong".

Don't get me wrong, below is IMHO and not trying to say that you are wrong. I am sure you are telling the truth.

That's pretty generous of you... USD5,000 = 40,000 RMB which is good enough for them to buy a house in the village or farm. And a big one too!

With USD5,000.... you can also get at least 8 fresh farm girls for you to "Kai Hong" you don't need connections to get them. In China they are available everywhere for between 3000 to 10,000 depending on the town or city.

Just on this topic; The Chinese also believe that if a guy break into a fresh girl, that will brings him good luck for the next few weeks. I had heard from mummies that there are many guys coming to ask for virgins in China before heading out to Macau. But in my IMHO: Breaking In a virgin will bring you good luck????? :p

Enjoy!
AG

[Clean Gene]

Ag, thanks for the info. I haven't kept up with the prices.

The young fellow, "Y", has been helpful in ways other than girls. His large family has deep roots in the area. Hefei is becoming a hub for transport of goods between the interior and the coast. It is furthermore in an area long known for its independence. It is no accident that Li Hong Zhang (Li Hefei), Zhang Guo Tao, and persons I won't mention came from this area. The New Fourth Army holed out here for some time. It's good to have friends.

Sir Victor Sasoon who operated from that monstrosity on Shanghai's Nanjing Lu (the Sasoon Bldg) a century ago is said to have done a virgin a day for decades. That sounds boring. But it's fun to play "teacher" for a week or two, now and then.

CG

[Clean Gene]

I may have "screwed the pooch".

The Chinese have a saying, something like:

"Sen mi yan en ren, dou mi zu chou ren"

"A cup of rice nourishes a friend, A bushel grows an enemy."

[Ace Gallant]

Ag, thanks for the info. I haven't kept up with the prices.

The young fellow, "Y", has been helpful in ways other than girls. His large family has deep roots in the area. Hefei is becoming a hub for transport of goods between the interior and the coast. It is furthermore in an area long known for its independence. It is no accident that Li Hong Zhang (Li Hefei), Zhang Guo Tao, and persons I won't mention came from this area. The New Fourth Army holed out here for some time. It's good to have friends.

Sir Victor Sasoon who operated from that monstrosity on Shanghai's Nanjing Lu (the Sasoon Bldg) a century ago is said to have done a virgin a day for decades. That sounds boring. But it's fun to play "teacher" for a week or two, now and then.

CG

Frankly, I don't care so much of virgins as it requires much more work from you. I don't really see why do I have to pay and do all the work and very much so; teach them? I think it is the perception ones have when he breaks a girl in that he is there first before others…. To me…. So what? You paid for it, just like anyone else could.

Whilst for Freebies is only slightly different, perhaps they are really in Love with you or they really wants to hook you on in their attempt to find a “good” husband?

As for the part about giving US$5000 as a gift, well, IMHO if I give someone something, I would not even think of what had had from him or what I will get in return, it is more of the appreciation of his friendship. It is all up to you, if you think he will be happy getting the gift from you, it can be US$5 or US$50,000 the amount is all up to you. In fact I had a rich friend in China who was offended when I gave him money as a gift! He told me that our friendship is something money can’t buy.

Enjoy!
AG

[Clean Gene]

Thanks for comments and opinions. Danke, Danke, Danke.

I'll keep my mind on the junk pottery I'm unloading in London and Dusseldorf.

CG

[Santa]

WARNING!

1. Keep all of you valuables in your hotel safe. Passport, atm cards, money and other. Carry only enough cash to pay for what you need that night.

2. NEVER follow street touts, especially males. Go with a mommie only if you know she is legit.

[Tony Soprano 1]

AG,
Maybe need to check your signs / years again? Also, where is the Rooster??
Cheers!
Tony

[Clean Gene]

I recently attended a discussion which reminds me of ways a Chinese woman can serve. Attributes of Chinese women: Intelligent, educated, capable and best of all they will work their fingers to the bone for an American who gives them the "Good Morning O" (Orgasm) An added bonus, almost every Chinese woman I have known (in the Biblical sense) dislikes and dispises Chinese men.

The discussion was on how to "fix" (as in dog) China. Illustrated by nice 2000 year old slides of bamboo book manuscripts (by SunZe), shown by S. And his wife "MeiJun".

SunZe says: (1) Control the enemy by holding what to him is most dear. "I. E. World Trade". (2) Attack his water and environs. (3) Sow disunity and destroy the resolve of their people. Etc. Etc. You can read SunZe BingFa for the rest.

CG

[Ace Gallant]

AG,
Maybe need to check your signs / years again? Also, where is the Rooster??
Cheers!
Tony

Oops.... you are right.... seems to forgot the rooster! Corrected it as follows:

Year of the Horse = 1978 = 29 years old
Year of the Sheep = 1979 = 28 years old
Year of Monkey = 1980 = 27 years old
Year of Rooster = 1981 = 26 years old
Year of Dog = 1982 = 25 years old
Year of Pig = 1983 = 24 years old
Year of Rat = 1984 = 23 years old
Year of Ox = 1985 = 22 years old
Year of Tiger = 1986 = 21 years old
Year of Rabbit = 1987 = 20 years old
Year of Dragon = 1988 = 19 Years old
Year of Snake 1989 = 18 years old

TS; Thanks for point out.

Also I forgotten mention, the Horoscope follows the Chinese New Year therefore sometimes if they are born on Jan of the year, they might just happens to be holding the sign of the previous year. Example; if she is born in Jan 1988, telling you that she is year of Rabbit and she is 20 years old is correct!

Enjoy!
AG

[Moody]

I recently attended a discussion which reminds me of ways a Chinese woman can serve. Attributes of Chinese women: Intelligent, educated, capable and best of all they will work their fingers to the bone for an American who gives them the "Good Morning O" (Orgasm) An added bonus, almost every Chinese woman I have known (in the Biblical sense) dislikes and dispises Chinese men.

I remember something from my Econ class called adverse selection. Usually it refers to insurance but it's applicable in other instances. You are the beneficiary of such. Think about it, the women who are most likely to prefer foreigners over Chinese men are the ones who are already with foreigners. Please don't think for a minute that such is the case with the majority of Chinese women. The vast majority of the women I sleep with,all seem to think that white and black men with their body hair and big noses are all hideous.

[Downunder96]

Totally agree with you Moody!
Clean Gene quote "almost every Chinese woman I have known (in the Biblical sense) dislikes and dispises Chinese men". They probably have a different agenda and see foreigners as Yao Qian Shu 摇钱树 $$$$ (Shake the tree & money will come down).
DU96

I remember something from my Econ class called adverse selection. Usually it refers to insurance but it's applicable in other instances. You are the beneficiary of such. Think about it, the women who are most likely to prefer foreigners over Chinese men are the ones who are already with foreigners. Please don't think for a minute that such is the case with the majority of Chinese women. The vast majority of the women I sleep with,all seem to think that white and black men with their body hair and big noses are all hideous.

[OldAsiaHand]

Let's not generalize here gentlemen. Everybody has different tastes. Some girls find the body hair and big noses attractive, others fear it. Some girls try foreigners because they have been fucked over by a Chinese guy. Some want to have a mixed child. Some just go after the money, regardless of race. Some find themselves at an age where local opportunties are limited. Having said that, you do see far less Chinese girls in permanent relationships with foreigners, than you do from say, The Philippines or Thailand. And, I do hear a lot about failed relationships between Western and Chinese. I will agree that the vast majority of Chinese women would prefer local guys given the same set of circumstances.

We should keep in mind that paid providers will tell us what we want to hear which is not necessarily what is in their hearts more often than not. Many Asians, especially local Chinese guys, do not like girls that do foreigners so the girls will tell the punter that they find foreigners unattractive and hideous. Vice versa, they will tell a foreigner that they despise Chinese guys. In the P4P realm, the biggest dilemma is the perception that all foreigners have huge dicks and fuck forever.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Ace Gallant]

Let's not generalize here gentlemen. Everybody has different tastes. Some girls find the body hair and big noses attractive, others fear it. Some girls try foreigners because they have been fucked over by a Chinese guy. Some want to have a mixed child. Some just go after the money, regardless of race. Some find themselves at an age where local opportunties are limited. Having said that, you do see far less Chinese girls in permanent relationships with foreigners, than you do from say, The Philippines or Thailand. And, I do hear a lot about failed relationships between Western and Chinese. I will agree that the vast majority of Chinese women would prefer local guys given the same set of circumstances.

We should keep in mind that paid providers will tell us what we want to hear which is not necessarily what is in their hearts more often than not. Many Asians, especially local Chinese guys, do not like girls that do foreigners so the girls will tell the punter that they find foreigners unattractive and hideous. Vice versa, they will tell a foreigner that they despise Chinese guys. In the P4P realm, the biggest dilemma is the perception that all foreigners have huge dicks and fuck forever.

Just my POV.

OAH

I fully agree with OAH. Just like different guys like different types of girls, different types of girls prefer different type of man. I had seen women who had been beaten up by her husband frequently but yet chooses to stay on with him because she thinks that he is manly enough to protect her from others. I my mind, “Enough to protect her from others but not enough to protect her from himself???” Often you winder why????

Whilst the Chinese pro, majorities do not mind sleeping with foreigners, they do mind marrying them. I believe this is as what DU said; they take us like Money tree, when the tree is dried up, they move on. They just want to get the money off us and not truly wanted developed a relationship with us. But however, there are still those who think that foreign culture is much better than old traditional thinking. I should think that these girls are those who had traveled or studied overseas.

I was very shocked a couple years ago when I started coming to China I was given the warning, in form of a flyer, prostitution is illegal in China and that if we are caught with a Pro, we will be deported out of China. On the web page referred by the flyer also feature a article that was circulated to the local that stated that Casual Sex with Foreigners is dangerous because it is the foreigners who brought sexual diseases in China. Wish that the page is still active so that I can post the link but I think is was taken down. I guess the local girls not only do not prefer foreigners is not only because they thinks that we have huge dicks and fuck forever…. It is also article like these that gave them fears about catching something.

Majority of the girls also thinks that local guy will give them more security because they are physically in China while for us, there is not telling when we will return to our home land and no promise whether we will bring them along.

Enjoy!
AG

[Old Mean Dog]

I fully agree with OAH. Just like different guys like different types of girls, different types of girls prefer different type of man. I had seen women who had been beaten up by her husband frequently but yet chooses to stay on with him because she thinks that he is manly enough to protect her from others. I my mind, “Enough to protect her from others but not enough to protect her from himself???” Often you winder why????

Whilst the Chinese pro, majorities do not mind sleeping with foreigners, they do mind marrying them. I believe this is as what DU said; they take us like Money tree, when the tree is dried up, they move on. They just want to get the money off us and not truly wanted developed a relationship with us. But however, there are still those who think that foreign culture is much better than old traditional thinking. I should think that these girls are those who had traveled or studied overseas.

I was very shocked a couple years ago when I started coming to China I was given the warning, in form of a flyer, prostitution is illegal in China and that if we are caught with a Pro, we will be deported out of China. On the web page referred by the flyer also feature a article that was circulated to the local that stated that Casual Sex with Foreigners is dangerous because it is the foreigners who brought sexual diseases in China. Wish that the page is still active so that I can post the link but I think is was taken down. I guess the local girls not only do not prefer foreigners is not only because they thinks that we have huge dicks and fuck forever…. It is also article like these that gave them fears about catching something.

Majority of the girls also thinks that local guy will give them more security because they are physically in China while for us, there is not telling when we will return to our home land and no promise whether we will bring them along.

Enjoy!
AG

Though I agree with most of the things stated here, I do not fully agree. I am in the international marriage business and also a monger, so I see both sides of the house. Some guys base their opinions on the xiaojies they screw all the time or the poor ass shop girls they get as freebies, this is not a good representation of Chinese girls.

Let me mention about one kind of girl I see in my office; They are very pretty (7-8 normally), highly educated, successful and have their OWN money. They seek a foreigner because most Chinese men refuse to accept a woman that is more powerful/successful than themselves. We are talking Architects, Doctors, Business Owners and Government Employees between the ages of 26-38. These girls also expect a presentable man, even if he is a foreigner, so even loser laowai's that come here thinking they will get such a Chinese beauty are in for a rude awakening.

It is really not that much different from the West, unless your talking about the poor farm girls, or low paid shop girls and their thinking is much different than the PI girls. There are many "good" girls in China that would make great, loving and loyal wives!

AG, my gf had lunch with some managers once that when they found out she was dating a laowai, they asked her if she had an HIV test done yet. She said they treated her as if she had contracted this disease and she really felt embarrassed. I would have liked to have been there to punch them in the nose.

-SZE

[Ace Gallant]

Though I agree with most of the things stated here, I do not fully agree. I am in the international marriage business and also a monger, so I see both sides of the house. Some guys base their opinions on the xiaojies they screw all the time or the poor ass shop girls they get as freebies, this is not a good representation of Chinese girls.

Let me mention about one kind of girl I see in my office; They are very pretty (7-8 normally), highly educated, successful and have their OWN money. They seek a foreigner because most Chinese men refuse to accept a woman that is more powerful/successful than themselves. We are talking Architects, Doctors, Business Owners and Government Employees between the ages of 26-38. These girls also expect a presentable man, even if he is a foreigner, so even loser laowai's that come here thinking they will get such a Chinese beauty are in for a rude awakening.

It is really not that much different from the West, unless your talking about the poor farm girls, or low paid shop girls and their thinking is much different than the PI girls. There are many "good" girls in China that would make great, loving and loyal wives!

AG, my gf had lunch with some managers once that when they found out she was dating a laowai, they asked her if she had an HIV test done yet. She said they treated her as if she had contracted this disease and she really felt embarrassed. I would have liked to have been there to punch them in the nose.

-SZE

Well, SZ that is exactly what I just said if you read my post correctly. Those that had gone overseas or studied overseas are much more open in their thoughts. May be the one I missed out are the highly educated ones. Whilst those poor farm girls or those that we screw from the low ends we are talking about; are easily mis-lead. These girls have no way to know whether the information they hear is true or not so they will rather trust the media who is controlled by the authorities. Such information may not be complete and thus giving them wrong ideals about foreigners, about diseases, about how foreigners treat their spouse.

You are also right about the part in which a Chinese do not wish to have a wife that is more "Powerful" (Capable) than themselves. You are right also; I do have many losers laowai friend whom had tried coming to China thinking that they are able to get a Chinese Beauty just by the fact that they are Laowai, or by their Handsome looks or the fact that US$ is 8 times of RMB, they all left China as a loser still.

I think the main problem in China is poverty and education. They had been shut off from the world for too long and now that they are open to the world, it is too overwhelming for them. They do not know who to trust. Again with the exception of those who are better off in their education, this form a different group but then again this are not to majority group.

Enjoy!
AG

[Tile Man4]

I fully agree with OAH. Just like different guys like different types of girls, different types of girls prefer different type of man. I had seen women who had been beaten up by her husband frequently but yet chooses to stay on with him because she thinks that he is manly enough to protect her from others. I my mind, “Enough to protect her from others but not enough to protect her from himself???” Often you winder why????

Whilst the Chinese pro, majorities do not mind sleeping with foreigners, they do mind marrying them. I believe this is as what DU said; they take us like Money tree, when the tree is dried up, they move on. They just want to get the money off us and not truly wanted developed a relationship with us. But however, there are still those who think that foreign culture is much better than old traditional thinking. I should think that these girls are those who had traveled or studied overseas.

I was very shocked a couple years ago when I started coming to China I was given the warning, in form of a flyer, prostitution is illegal in China and that if we are caught with a Pro, we will be deported out of China. On the web page referred by the flyer also feature a article that was circulated to the local that stated that Casual Sex with Foreigners is dangerous because it is the foreigners who brought sexual diseases in China. Wish that the page is still active so that I can post the link but I think is was taken down. I guess the local girls not only do not prefer foreigners is not only because they thinks that we have huge dicks and fuck forever…. It is also article like these that gave them fears about catching something.

Majority of the girls also thinks that local guy will give them more security because they are physically in China while for us, there is not telling when we will return to our home land and no promise whether we will bring them along.

Enjoy!

AGThis has been a great subject. I think all of you have a good honest opinion. I will also give you mine.

European and American men who come to Asia for sexual gratifications typically have little awareness of the Asian hierarchy of sexual market value, and of how deeply ingrained it is in Asian societies. Much more than in Europe or North America, sexual market value in Asia depends on factors other than beauty in women and age in men.

For women, a major aspect is sexual freshness. Throughout Asia, the highest sexual market value is attached to virgins.

As girls grow older, their sexual market value declines, even if the keep on staying with their parents (and remain virgins). These are the woman I like 35 - 45 , but I don't want a virgin

There is a very definite fall in the sexual market value of women who have been married and now are divorced or widows. And there again is a steep decline when they have given birth.

But among these, those who have work and an orderly income are still regarded higher than those who have no job, and whose only choice is to rely on finding a man to help make ends meet.

Prostitutes anywhere in Asia have the lowest sexual market value, though those whose virginity is on the block can ask for a high price once. It only takes a few weeks for their sexual market value to drop sharply.

Obviously, younger prostitutes get more customers, and ask for higher prices, but prostitutes are prostitutes, and even just as girlfriends (not talking about wives), their sexual market value is at the bottom of the scale.

Now enter Western men into the equation. In Western societies, especially in Europe, the sexual market value of women is less hierarchical. What counts in Europe is a beautiful face, and a sexy body. The age of a woman plays less a role, and as long as she doesn't have an infectious disease from it, it matters less how promiscuous she has been.

You'll have to look for a long time in Asia to find a rich man in his fifties marrying a woman in her forties. Rich Asian men in their fifties will marry young women in their twenties.

Divorced Asian women in their forties, when they stay in Asia, have either made their luck previously and then can be with a man who values the opportunity to marry a rich woman, or they will have to be content with a low-class male, or they stay unattached.

The problem with many Chinese women is. They have accepted this bullshit as culture , hook , line and sinker. I think Szexpat is telling us that these women are getting smarter now. Many Chinese women will no longer take this market value shit. This is why they want a western man

Tile man

[Tile Man4]

Well, SZ that is exactly what I just said if you read my post correctly. Those that had gone overseas or studied overseas are much more open in their thoughts. May be the one I missed out are the highly educated ones. Whilst those poor farm girls or those that we screw from the low ends we are talking about; are easily mis-lead. These girls have no way to know whether the information they hear is true or not so they will rather trust the media who is controlled by the authorities. Such information may not be complete and thus giving them wrong ideals about foreigners, about diseases, about how foreigners treat their spouse.

You are also right about the part in which a Chinese do not wish to have a wife that is more "Powerful" (Capable) than themselves. You are right also; I do have many losers laowai friend whom had tried coming to China thinking that they are able to get a Chinese Beauty just by the fact that they are Laowai, or by their Handsome looks or the fact that US$ is 8 times of RMB, they all left China as a loser still.

I think the main problem in China is poverty and education. They had been shut off from the world for too long and now that they are open to the world, it is too overwhelming for them. They do not know who to trust. Again with the exception of those who are better off in their education, this form a different group but then again this are not to majority group.

Enjoy!

AGOne more thing AG. China has been a closed society for over 5000 years. I don't like to listen to Bush, I just want to know when my son will come home from Iraq. But, Bush did say. China now has a crack in the dyke.

That dyke will break soon and we will see great change in China with woman and other changes for the good of China.

Tile man

[Clean Gene]

Ok. Money Tree, me.

I can remember my country girl wife saying how frightened she was of the hair on the back of my hands and fingers when I gave her something. And how she usually wears a gold rimmed jade heart around her neck (which her old boyfriend gave her). And the silver animal charm (his birth year) that was on her key chain for many years, until it fell apart. And that she calls him on Chinese holidays. She says their friendship lasts because it was "pure". More disturbing is her more recent comment that her mother always said that the least acquisitive will in the end acquire the most. (She worked selflessly for 15 years to get a hand on my mother's money.)

One of country girl's good Chinese friends still sends "care packages" to her old boss, and first lover in Beijing. She was good enough to offer her services when country girl was heavy with child.

CG

[Albert Punter]

A couple of weeks ago The Washington Post reported on the excessively high suicide rate among women in rural China. Read the article at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/14/AR2007051401506_2.html?hpid=topnews

As a matter of fact, somewhere else I had read that The World Bank estimates that Chinese women's suicide rate is five times the world average, only country in the world where the suicide rate for females is higher than for males.
China, with approximately one-fifth of the world's people, has 56% of the world's female suicides. It is estimated that five hundred women a day commit suicide in China.
So common is the suicide that now it ranks as the main cause of death for women between 18 and 34.

[Downunder96]

Bush (junior) did not know where Hong Kong was during the 1st Gulf war in 1991. I listened to one of his interview with I think CNN & could not believe it!

I have a reasonable good backgorund in Chinese culture (have relatives in China, Hong Kong, Singapore and Malaysia) though living in Oz for the last 25+ years. I firmly believe vast majority of chinese girls will still prefer to marry chinese men. Materialistic does play a part in this. In Australia, I have seen some "marriage for convenience" cases but many failed marriages of Laowai + Chinese women. (lesser extend Laowai + Chinese Men) 1-2 years later they will seek divorce & bring their true husband and their parents & in laws over here. I am not making a generalization here I think at the end of the day language and culture barrier seems to contribute to the failed marriages in addition to materialistism. AG I think you would have seen & heard a lot of these happening!
Hope I havent put a dent in all your experiences!!

DU96


One more thing AG. China has been a closed society for over 5000 years. I don't like to listen to Bush, I just want to know when my son will come home from Iraq. But, Bush did say. China now has a crack in the dyke.

That dyke will break soon and we will see great change in China with woman and other changes for the good of China.

Tile man

[Ace Gallant]

AG I think you would have seen & heard a lot of these happening!
Hope I havent put a dent in all your experiences!!

DU96

I have to tell you this:

I am twice divorce.
My first wife is an American Blonde
My Second wife is a Chinese.
And I am looking for my third wife to retire with.

Enjoy!
AG

[Old Mean Dog]

Well, SZ that is exactly what I just said if you read my post correctly.

I didn't state Chinese girls whom have traveled or studied abroad, I am talking about the educated, modern Chinese girls from a big city. Usually, these girls under 35 are very "up-to-date" on the world and can now form their own opinions.

Big cities have laowai's living and working in them so they see and maybe talk to them, maybe the girl works for a foreign company or does trading with one, tv, magazines and internet all have a role in forming their opinions. I think you are generalizing them a little to much or are basing your opinion on other kinds of girls.

Most men coming here to work and/or look for a wife, normally do not choose someone of lesser class than themselves and in cities like Shenzhen, the girls are just as modern and sophisticated as those of their Western counterparts.

What does surprise me is the poor or old Westerner who comes here, thinking they can score a 9 or 10 for a wife/gf.....hell, I don't think even many 8's or 7's would be interested in them, but they think JUST because they are from the West, the poor, needy, surpressed Chinese girl will beg them to take them away from China. Time to wake up and smell the coffee...

-SZE

[Albert Punter]

May I suggest a Brazilian "morena jambo" ?


P.S. Maybe Pluto can explain type of girl I mean



I have to tell you this:

I am twice divorce.
My first wife is an American Blonde
My Second wife is a Chinese.
And I am looking for my third wife to retire with.

Enjoy!
AG

[Downunder96]

AG,
I am a little fortunate happily married with a beautiful chinese wife & we have kids.
One of this day you need to give up this hobby & concentrate on your third wife. There's just too much distraction going on this board. Your expectation of a wife with highly geared sexual appetite is not going to happen :)
There is a lot of give & take in this game. That is give a lot of GIVE TLCM (tender loving care money) & TAKE a little sex in return.

DU96


I have to tell you this:

I am twice divorce.
My first wife is an American Blonde
My Second wife is a Chinese.
And I am looking for my third wife to retire with.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

AG,
I am a little fortunate happily married with a beautiful chinese wife & we have kids.
One of this day you need to give up this hobby & concentrate on your third wife. There's just too much distraction going on this board. Your expectation of a wife with highly geared sexual appetite is not going to happen :)
There is a lot of give & take in this game. That is give a lot of GIVE TLCM (tender loving care money) & TAKE a little sex in return.

DU96

I think that's the problem with me, I need to find a girl that can keep up with me. Those on the board, who knows me, know that I monger out everynight. If I don't do that they also knows that I must be with one of my freebies because they will call or MSN me in the middle of those nights only to find me humping her! :D

But just for information; my divorces is not due to sexual problems with my wives, it is because I traveled too much. Both wives think that I should bring them along. But that takes out the fun of traveling isn’t it?

My first wife married to me for 8 years and I lived with her back in States for those 8 years, counting the actual days; I only spent less than 2 months per year with her. My second, I hardly spent more than 1 month per year.

That the reason why I said; I need to retire in order to get married. But there will problem even with that; will she be able to keep up with me? I king of like my friend’s concept in the Philippines, he has 3 wives living together under the same roof. They run his family hotel business and each one of them sleeps with him on round robin schedules. :D Or maybe I should retire to Xing Jiang, and become a Muslim???


May I suggest a Brazilian "morena jambo" ?

P.S. Maybe Pluto can explain type of girl I mean

And what's that Allby?

BTW: Albert, I did not make it to Italy for thenew model Ferrari launch, I got too tied up.

Enjoy!
AG

[Downunder96]

AG,
There goes to show how much you're hooked on this hobby!!
You even changed the Province name to suit your appetite :)
性疆 Xing Jiang
新疆 Xin Jiang

Have a look at this link http://www.theage.com.au/news/travel/borat-did-make-benefit/2007/05/27/1180205122742.html

I think she escaped from Xin Jiang & over the border to Kazakhstan

I'll give her a 9

DU96


That the reason why I said; I need to retire in order to get married. But there will problem even with that; will she be able to keep up with me? I king of like my friend’s concept in the Philippines, he has 3 wives living together under the same roof. They run his family hotel business and each one of them sleeps with him on round robin schedules. :D Or maybe I should retire to Xing Jiang, and become a Muslim???

AG

[Ace Gallant]

AG,
There goes to show how much you're hooked on this hobby!!
You even changed the Province name to suit your appetite :)
性疆 Xing Jiang
新疆 Xin Jiang

Have a look at this link http://www.theage.com.au/news/travel/borat-did-make-benefit/2007/05/27/1180205122742.html

I think she escaped from Xin Jiang & over the border to Kazakhstan

I'll give her a 9

DU96

Hahahaha.....

I am so glad that someone on the board caught it!!! actually I meant 性江! Sex River!

I had a couple of Xin Jiang ( 新疆 ) Girls over the last two year... man..! all of them fucks like rabbit!

Enjoy!
AG

[Eaglestar]

What does surprise me is the poor or old Westerner who comes here, thinking they can score a 9 or 10 for a wife/gf.....hell, I don't think even many 8's or 7's would be interested in them, but they think JUST because they are from the West, the poor, needy, surpressed Chinese girl will beg them to take them away from China. Time to wake up and smell the coffee...
-SZE

This is a pretty broad generalization Szexpat. I happen to be "OLD",,, old enough to draw my social security in the US of A for that matter and I have had my share of 9's and maybe more than my share of 7's and 8's. I am not looking for a wife but age seldom presents a barrier to finding a pretty lady.

I will however agree that money is a pretty big factor. I am not rich by western standards or maybe not even by some modern Chinese standards but I am damn comfortable and don't mind spending a little for a lady I care about. Maybe this helps over come my advanced age.

I am having a cup a joe now, smells nice.

ES

[Old Mean Dog]

This is a pretty broad generalization Szexpat. I happen to be "OLD",,, old enough to draw my social security in the US of A for that matter and I have had my share of 9's and maybe more than my share of 7's and 8's. I am not looking for a wife but age seldom presents a barrier to finding a pretty lady.

I will however agree that money is a pretty big factor. I am not rich by western standards or maybe not even by some modern Chinese standards but I am damn comfortable and don't mind spending a little for a lady I care about. Maybe this helps over come my advanced age.

I am having a cup a joe now, smells nice.

ES

Majority of clients I get are over the age of 55, lots of gray hair and look tired. They come here asking for a 20-30 year old beauty queen's to marry.

Yeah it's a broad stroke, and as I said the overall quality of girl is what matters when one seeks a serious gf/wife. Anyone can have a 7, 8, or 9, just depends on how fat your wallet is and which KTV you attend that night, but this ain't the kind of girl most guys take home to mom.

-SZE

[Albert Punter]

AG,

I owe you an explanation.
In Brazil you can find all races and many mix between races: an official classifications had listed more than 130.
Term “morena jambo” means light-skinned brunette, i.e dark haired girl with light dark colour skin. Attached is a pic as example.
Killer combination is when eyes colour is blue :-b

Maybe one day Shanghai Club should organize its annual mongering convention in Brazil ...




...


May I suggest a Brazilian "morena jambo" ?

P.S. Maybe Pluto can explain type of girl I mean



And what's that Allby?

AG

[Member #3421]

I've seen more than a few posts from senior members about their freebie experiences. I think I'll write another set of "cliff notes" soon, linking to many of those helpful reports.

However, I went fishing a few months ago, and finally reeled in (so to speak) a girl (22-ish, supposedly) who posted in the W4M section of chinadaily.com with an ad that did not say "looking for LTR" as many of them seem to. And my first email to her "came clean" about being married, and at least one subsequent email emphasized that I couldn't be her boyfriend, etc... just to emphasize the casual nature of what I was after. I figured if she cared, she would break off the exchange. She didn't.

After exchanging quite a few emails over several weeks, we finally got around to more serious conversation, and it appears that pre-marital sex is "against her morals." Now wait a sec -- posting in W4M, get into a fairly frequent email exchange making plans to meet up with a married guy??

This reminded me of various posts where (as I recall) some of you commented that usually by the 2nd date, "moral concerns" quickly vanish? Something along the lines of Chinese women putting on an initial show of "traditional culture and morals" which then mysteriously vanishes?

I could be off base here (or not remembering correctly), but I thought it might be an interesting thread to open in this forum.

NBG

[Tile Man4]

I've seen more than a few posts from senior members about their freebie experiences. I think I'll write another set of "cliff notes" soon, linking to many of those helpful reports.

However, I went fishing a few months ago, and finally reeled in (so to speak) a girl (22-ish, supposedly) who posted in the W4M section of chinadaily.com with an ad that did not say "looking for LTR" as many of them seem to. And my first email to her "came clean" about being married, and at least one subsequent email emphasized that I couldn't be her boyfriend, etc... just to emphasize the casual nature of what I was after. I figured if she cared, she would break off the exchange. She didn't.

After exchanging quite a few emails over several weeks, we finally got around to more serious conversation, and it appears that pre-marital sex is "against her morals." Now wait a sec -- posting in W4M, get into a fairly frequent email exchange making plans to meet up with a married guy??

This reminded me of various posts where (as I recall) some of you commented that usually by the 2nd date, "moral concerns" quickly vanish? Something along the lines of Chinese women putting on an initial show of "traditional culture and morals" which then mysteriously vanishes?

I could be off base here (or not remembering correctly), but I thought it might be an interesting thread to open in this forum.

NBGNewbi , IMHO , a traditional chinese women does not go on the computer looking for sex or husband. I am very happy that they do go on the computer. I have met many women this way.

I have learned to take any Chinese women with a grain of salt who will say...... that she is a traditional Chinese woman. They just don't exist anymore. ALL women of the world want a man to take care of them.

One woman in Beijing not only told me that she was a traditional Chinese woman , she also told me that she was perfect. I really think she believe herself OR wants me to believe this.

Needless to say , I will not be meeting this pefect woman. This imperfect and humble man like myself can not be with a Traditional Chinese woman that thinks she is perfect.

Good luck to you tile Man

[Member #3421]

Newbi , IMHO , a traditional chinese women does not go on the computer looking for sex or husband. I am very happy that they do go on the computer. I have met many women this way.

I have learned to take any Chinese women with a grain of salt who will say...... that she is a traditional Chinese woman. They just don't exist anymore. ALL women of the world want a man to take care of them.

One woman in Beijing not only told me that she was a traditional Chinese woman , she also told me that she was perfect. I really think she believe herself OR wants me to believe this.

Needless to say , I will not be meeting this pefect woman. This imperfect and humble man like myself can not be with a Traditional Chinese woman that thinks she is perfect.

Good luck to you tile Man

Tile Man,

I like your sense of humor. I forget that internet access isn't ubiquitous, first of all. At least this woman does not think she is perfect (or if she does, she isn't saying it to me), so I'll keep this as a possibility.

Thanks,

NBG

[Mock A Bee]

I've seen more than a few posts from senior members about their freebie experiences. I think I'll write another set of "cliff notes" soon, linking to many of those helpful reports.

However, I went fishing a few months ago, and finally reeled in (so to speak) a girl (22-ish, supposedly) who posted in the W4M section of chinadaily.com with an ad that did not say "looking for LTR" as many of them seem to. And my first email to her "came clean" about being married, and at least one subsequent email emphasized that I couldn't be her boyfriend, etc... just to emphasize the casual nature of what I was after. I figured if she cared, she would break off the exchange. She didn't.

After exchanging quite a few emails over several weeks, we finally got around to more serious conversation, and it appears that pre-marital sex is "against her morals." Now wait a sec -- posting in W4M, get into a fairly frequent email exchange making plans to meet up with a married guy??

This reminded me of various posts where (as I recall) some of you commented that usually by the 2nd date, "moral concerns" quickly vanish? Something along the lines of Chinese women putting on an initial show of "traditional culture and morals" which then mysteriously vanishes?

I could be off base here (or not remembering correctly), but I thought it might be an interesting thread to open in this forum.

NBG

I think it is a matter of "Face" that a woman advertises herself as traditional. Kind of like how a lot of girls are posting notices under "Language Exchange" though you can find a lot of girls who want to hook up. (this is a big hint for those of you who have not explored this option before)

In China, I don't think most women are going to describe themselves as "Party Girl, only looking for free drinks and a good time, sex only if I think you are hot, otherwise I will suck your wallet dry then look for someone more attractive", or " Only looking for passport and money, not love, suckers need only apply".

Girls can play the game as well, especially in Shanghai.

MAB

[Eaglestar]

Interesting comments from Tile Man, NBJG and MAB.

It seems to me that in many cases (certainly not all though) a lady who says she is "traditional" really means "I probably will not fu*k you on the first date but if you seem like a decent guy I will on the second". Others (like one I was working on recently but have given up on) mean exactly what they say. They are not going to hit the sack with you for a long time and maybe only if you marry.

One I posted just last week who used the Traditional term claims she is still a virgin and she is 40 years old. This does not prevent her from performing an excellent BBBJ CIM however.

Who really knows what they mean.

ES

[Tiger 888]

...Who really knows what they mean.

ES
Don't you remember that the fastest changing statement ever is a woman's "no". A virgin doing BBJCIM - reminds me of the cherry girls in the Phils. Plenty around for that.
For the Chinese "traditional" girls: play their game. No sex, just a little playing around, a bit more every time until they are hot enough. Success almost guaranteed. But you will have to pay a price. They get sticky.

[Albert Punter]

In my experiences of freebies hunting through websites classifieds (in W4M, language exchange, and others) I have never found a girl who told me she was a traditional one.
I did found some who said they were not there for "one night stand" or "sex only" but even though I made it clear I was not looking for gf nor wife, they accepted correspondence and chat.
Finally they accepted invitation for an ice-cream (which seems more appropriate as less formal than a dinner) and they even eccepted some courtship and they even came to my place ...

So, as MAB says maybe it is a question of "face". I agree very much with him.
Everybody knows how "mian zi" is important here. Therefore, don't get discouraged when potential freebies say "I am not here for sex", they are obviously playing their game.

Newbeijingguy, only suggestion I can give is to try to invite this girl out and see how situation develops.

Maybe AG can enlighten us in this respect.

[Member #3421]

In my experiences of freebies hunting through websites classifieds (in W4M, language exchange, and others) I have never found a girl who told me she was a traditional one.
I did found some who said they were not there for "one night stand" or "sex only" but even though I made it clear I was not looking for gf nor wife, they accepted correspondence and chat.
Finally they accepted invitation for an ice-cream (which seems more appropriate as less formal than a dinner) and they even eccepted some courtship and they even came to my place ...

So, as MAB says maybe it is a question of "face". I agree very much with him.
Everybody knows how "mian zi" is important here. Therefore, don't get discouraged when potential freebies say "I am not here for sex", they are obviously playing their game.

Newbeijingguy, only suggestion I can give is to try to invite this girl out and see how situation develops.

Maybe AG can enlighten us in this respect.

Well, I'm certainly meeting her upon my arrival, and then I'll need to decide whether to pursue, as the pursuit does consume valuable time. I'll report. I don't want to experience "sticky" certainly, as Tiger puts it.

For true newbies out there, I should note that electronic pursuit is not altogether different from real-life pursuit. Do not -- repeat *do not* -- email the girl every two hours, or within 10 minutes of seeing her new email. As I'm stateside with obvious time differences, it isn't as big a worry, but still, be cautious. Don't make it too easy. I sometimes leave things dangling for a few days. There is no need to rush to the pre-meet email conversation. Play a little hard-to-get. If she doesn't do the same, it probably tells you something.

Happy hunting (that is someone else's tag I expect).

NBG

[Tile Man4]

In my experiences of freebies hunting through websites classifieds (in W4M, language exchange, and others) I have never found a girl who told me she was a traditional one.

I did found some who said they were not there for "one night stand" or "sex only" but even though I made it clear I was not looking for gf nor wife, they accepted correspondence and chat.

Finally they accepted invitation for an ice-cream (which seems more appropriate as less formal than a dinner) and they even eccepted some courtship and they even came to my place.

So, as MAB says maybe it is a question of "face". I agree very much with him.
Everybody knows how "mian zi" is important here. Therefore, don't get discouraged when potential freebies say "I am not here for sex", they are obviously playing their game.

Newbeijingguy, only suggestion I can give is to try to invite this girl out and see how situation develops.

Maybe AG can enlighten us in this respect.Al, you are honest with these women. I was also honest 3 years ago when I started looking for a wife only in China. Being divorced 20 years now, 3 years ago I started to look on-line for a woman.

I was so surprised 3 years ago, every woman I talked to wanted to marry me after 2 pictures and 2 emails. I told myself. This is a turkey shoot and something is wrong with this picture and also the attitude of Chinese women.

I am 3 years smarter now. I will leave for China soon, but this time I will relax, play, play, play, enjoy, enjoy, enjoy like Ace always says. Then I will think about getting married again. But, I will only marry a Chinese woman who does speak english.

These western men who think that they can go to China and marry a hot woman (girl toy), but "no can speak a English" are in for a fast divorce OR a very unhappy life. I perfer to stay single than do this.

I will have my fun with the (girl toy. Only 18 or older) but I will only marry a mature woman who speaks english. I hope to marry within 1 or 2 years.

Thanks for your post tile man

[Brooklyn Cyclone]

I have a stupid question for mongering experts in the forum, what kinds of pick up lines work for you in China? The other day I was walking in the hotel lobby, saw this really cute girl sitting there. I had some time so I sat down across from her. I must have stared at her too much that she looked at me, did not get upset. We exchange few looks but I did not know what to say so eventually she left. Any advice?

[Tile Man4]

I have a stupid question for mongering experts in the forum, what kinds of pick up lines work for you in China? The other day I was walking in the hotel lobby, saw this really cute girl sitting there. I had some time so I sat down across from her. I must have stared at her too much that she looked at me, did not get upset. We exchange few looks but I did not know what to say so eventually she left. Any advice?Every man has his own technique and I am sure this question will get you many replies that work for the author and I hope will also work for you.

Eye contact, eye contact, eye contact, with a smile. Chinese women are experts at eye contact and they love a smile. I don't really think a woman can read my mind with eye contact but I have heard this about Chinese woman a million times and tried it myself. It works.

Also, if she does not speak one word of English and you not one word of Chinese, you may think that your fucked already. Not True.network, network, network. How do you network? Have you hotel card with room number on it. Have someone help you write this on back of card:

If you free sometime, call me for a cup of tea together. Also say, If you are married of have a boyfriend please accept my deepest apology. Chinese women and men love politeness. Even if she is married or has boyfriend many women (not all) will call you. This did work for me. I have been in sales for many years. I learned that if you don't ask for the sale, you won't get it.

Other notes, Chinese people, men and women are very materialistic, they like nice dress, clean, good posture, Jewelry, nice cell phone. All these things give a Chinese person face. I never had a USA woman want to fuck my brains out because I had a nice cell phone, but this is China.

To me, some of this is bullshit, but when in Rome, you know the rest. I don't think you should walk around with all fake or real gold on you. This can get yourself into other problems. Chinese women do like and will go out with older men, but they don't like the hump back 90 year old look, even if your 30 years old.

If you have deep pockets, forget about everything I told you. Money talks in China. Money talks with me too. I don't want to sound like a hypocrite and I am for sure not an expert like some of the men on ISG.

This humble man (tileman) is even open for any mistakes that I have given you. We all learn everyday, but remember people who say they know-it-all don't know shit.

There are some very smart men on ISG, like SZE, ACE, OAH, EAGLE and many many more. I am sure you are smart enough not to listen to the wankers. They are easy to see. I have learned so much from some of the men here on ISG. I hope you will do the same. Have a safe trip.

Good luck, tile man

[BossLove72]

I'll just add my opinion to the subject at hand. It just seems that you have to just judge the situation for what it is.

I've had my share of women here in China. If they contact or respond you, then they are interested. It's up to you to see where it leads. I had chatted with this lady on Chinese Friend Finder about twice, I said that I was only looking for a friend, nothing more, nothing less.

She took me out for a nice dinner. She paid. I spoke English to her and helped her practice. After dinner we went for tea. There I made a move on her, i put my hand on her knee. Innocent, but yet a strong move to establish interest in more than just friends. She protested, but then she let my hand stay. Slowly, no rushing, I just got closer to her, then it was some small kisses that got longer. She couldn't stop. She drove me home, since I will never drive in China! I asked her to come in to the flat. She agreed, I knew that the deal was sealed. Chinese women will never go into a man apartment alone unless they are willing to do the deed.

Although she protested, she had her shoes off and together on the floor beside the bed that she willingly came and sat down on. A great time and afterwards she kept saying that she does not do this, these protests between kisses with me. So you must judge the woman and the situation.

I've had women that did not speak any English and I speak very little Chinese. You can make it work, if you want it. What he said about making the sale, is very true.

Just my opinion.

Thanks.

[Old Mean Dog]

I have a stupid question for mongering experts in the forum, what kinds of pick up lines work for you in China? The other day I was walking in the hotel lobby, saw this really cute girl sitting there. I had some time so I sat down across from her. I must have stared at her too much that she looked at me, did not get upset. We exchange few looks but I did not know what to say so eventually she left. Any advice?

Good Question! I always act like the helpless foreigner, ask her if she speaks English. If she does, ask a few simple questions like places to go for shopping, restaurants, sightseeing, etc. Tell her your from (XXX) and do not know the city, exchange names, business cards, etc. Then ask her if she would be interested in going with you as your new friend. If she bites on that, the rest is a piece of cake.

If she does not speak English, then if you still want to try for it, whip out a translation book and a pen/notepad to show her your interested in communicating with her as best is possible. You would be surprised at how many girls can actually speak a little English and/or read/write it.

Thanks Tileman for the props.

-SZE

[Softy]

I didn't state Chinese girls whom have traveled or studied abroad, I am talking about the educated, modern Chinese girls from a big city. Usually, these girls under 35 are very "up-to-date" on the world and can now form their own opinions.

Big cities have laowai's living and working in them so they see and maybe talk to them, maybe the girl works for a foreign company or does trading with one, tv, magazines and internet all have a role in forming their opinions. I think you are generalizing them a little to much or are basing your opinion on other kinds of girls.

Most men coming here to work and/or look for a wife, normally do not choose someone of lesser class than themselves and in cities like Shenzhen, the girls are just as modern and sophisticated as those of their Western counterparts.

What does surprise me is the poor or old Westerner who comes here, thinking they can score a 9 or 10 for a wife/gf. Hell, I don't think even many 8's or 7's would be interested in them, but they think JUST because they are from the West, the poor, needy, surpressed Chinese girl will beg them to take them away from China. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

-SZEWell said.

There was a time in China when China dolls would line up to live with a Western man regardless of age or looks. China was very poor then, and that was not all that long ago. But that time has passed. There are plenty of affluent locals now that offer more traditional marriage opportunities. , and the smart China doll can start her own gig as well and become rich without a man (I just had lunch with one today who is a business partner of mine).

Not too long ago, many areas of the world were much poorer than the US and Europe. That time, is rapidly coming to an end.

With all that said, if you are looking for a partner, China is a good place to look as I find Chinese women to be a good mix between independent and pleasure providing. But, if you are looking for a partner in life, looks and age should not be your primary criteria, IMHO.

[Brooklyn Cyclone]

Thanks for the advice. I learned two things: eye contact+smile and get some one to write down some chinese phrases for me. Will definitely try it out.


Eye contact, eye contact, eye contact, with a smile. Chinese women are experts at eye contact and they love a smile. I don't really think a woman can read my mind with eye contact but I have heard this about Chinese woman a million times and tried it myself. It works.

Also, if she does not speak one word of English and you not one word of Chinese, you may think that your fucked already. Not True.network, network, network. How do you network? Have you hotel card with room number on it. Have someone help you write this on back of card:

If you free sometime, call me for a cup of tea together. Also say, If you are married of have a boyfriend please accept my deepest apology.

[Santa]

I have a stupid question for mongering experts in the forum, what kinds of pick up lines work for you in China? The other day I was walking in the hotel lobby, saw this really cute girl sitting there. I had some time so I sat down across from her. I must have stared at her too much that she looked at me, did not get upset. We exchange few looks but I did not know what to say so eventually she left. Any advice?

Next time, you could try quickly flashing your cock, if she smiles you know you have a winner. This method works best in shopping malls. :D

[Albert Punter]

I had picked up a girl, of which I posted pics long time ago, by doing exactly what you say we shouldn't.
She liked a lot this sort of chat-style correspondence.



...
Do not -- repeat *do not* -- email the girl ... within 10 minutes of seeing her new email.
...
NBG

[Albert Punter]

I am sorry but today is the day I have to report different stories.

In a couple of cases, first about 15 years ago which left me ultra-frustrated and second about 3 years ago which I reported in ISG asking for advice, girl came to my apartment but didn't do the deed.
They only accepted DFK and very little touching.
In first case in Beijing I didn't meet the girl anymore as I had to leave day after.
In second case in Shanghai I met the girl again, but I couldn't achieve more.
However, in all other occasions a girl accepted to go to my place I ended the evening quite happy.




...
Chinese women will never go into a man apartment alone unless they are willing to do the deed.
...

[Ace Gallant]

Chinese women will never go into a man apartment alone unless they are willing to do the deed.

Thanks.

Nope.... it is a hit or miss case.

Not 100% unless

1) All Chinese women are sLuts
2) Those ladies are working in Bars or KTV or Saunas
3) You have shown to be a great potential for them and they are going all out to get you.

Even with me, I will not score 100%

Enjoy!
AG

[BossLove72]

[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Nope.... it is a hit or miss case.

Not 100% unless

1) All Chinese women are sLuts
2) Those ladies are working in Bars or KTV or Saunas
3) You have shown to be a great potential for them and they are going all out to get you.

Okay, this is totally correct. I also stated that this was also based on the situation. The statement was a bit too broad. However, I still stand by most of my statement, yes not ALL women will do the deed, but if you have them coming into your flat, there is a great chance that you will score with them. It's all about making the final pitch.

So gentlemen, swing for the fences, all they can say is no, if they don't you've scored.

Peace!

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Greetings,

It appears that you inadvertently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.

The quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is look for them in the text. Anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". Please note the "/" forward slash in the last tag. It's that simple.

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[Tile Man4]

I did receive a couple of emails from new ISG men in the last few days asking me how one can one tell if a woman is a WG or not. I told them both that its best to ask some of the experts on ISG. This is a tough questions, because I really don't think anyone can know for sure.

Many men on ISG are looking for a wife or LT GF, I only hope they have some good sex stories too. Some of the best sex can be with non WG. WG's do get bored with the job.

I will give you several things that I saw with some of the women that I was with.

1) I am sure you all don't smoke, I do. A Chinese pack of smokes has a very very skinny paper string to open a new pack of smokes. You must have baby fingers to to find the string and open it. One woman took the pack from me and had it open, one smoke in my mouth and one flick of my Bic in less than 30 seconds. She once told me she hated WG's. She was for sure a WG.

2) Feeding in public, I have been to many Chinese Restaurants. I have never seen a Chinese husband, wife, one child and the wife feeding the Husband. A few Chinese women who wanted to be my GF and maybe Marry told me that all Chinese women do this. Pure bullshit, she is a WG. Go to a KTV and watch how they lite your smoke and feed you fruit all night.

3) Always on cell phone and doing text. If she is a real working professional woman then maybe she is legit. Chinese people love to talk and text business If your woman told you that she is just a sales clerk but she is always on the phone and doing text she is probably a WG. If she has 3 or 4 cell phones, for sure she is a WG.

4) If your woman told you that she works but when you are in town she is available for you 24/7 she is maybe a WG. Ask her to take you to her work and if she says no because she works in secret Govt building. More bullshit, she is WG. One woman gave me this line.

5) Always crying about money and sitting on the pity pot. I need to help my Mother, I need to help my 5 sister, my father can't get out of the hospital unless I come up with 5000 rmb. More bullshit, she is not pulling on your heart strings, she is pulling on your wallet. She is a WG.

I have some more for you but lets give some other guys give their views and experiences.

Good luck tile man

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[Santa]

If she is working from very early morning to late at night and only gets one free day every two weeks, works for a respectable company, gets shit wages but wouldn't ask you for anything, she is probably NOT a WG.

Nice post Tile Man.

[Moody]

6. If a girl can only see you really really late at night, good chance she's a working girl. As a corollary, if the girl comes home drunk every night, she's probably a KTV girl.

7. If a girl's home town is really far away and she has no family in the immediate area, she's probably a working girl. Not many working girls like working near their home towns or near family.

8. If the girl's hot and she says she has no boyfriends and that she's a virgin... well... I won't say she's a working girl, but you're probably getting scammed somehow.

9. If the girl says she works as something like a receptionist or waitress, jobs that pay less than 1000RMB a month, but somehow manages to have a 4000RMB cell phone.... she's probably a working girl or has a sugar daddy. This also applies if she's living in a 3000RMB a month apartment.

10. The vast majority of normal Chinese girls don't smoke. If yours smokes, there's a good chance she's a working girl.

11. If your girl occasionally exhibits paranoid behavior, there's a good chance she's a drug addict and most likely a working girl.

[Blacklisted]

11.
If your girl constructs an apparatus above the bed and ties red ropes around it, then wraps herself up in it, puts your dick in her mouth and twirls while suspended in mid air, there's a good chance she's a working girl.

[SE Asia Joe]

You guys are talking about the HARD core WG's - and especially in China, they're of course quite easy to spot as per all the opinions here. But what always dings my dong is the - what i call - soft core WG's. These are the students or Make-up gals or hotel receptionist/staff..? who loves material things and wouldn't mind a bit on the side for $$, the kept women who are looking for some fun OR a change of horses, staff at offices I visit who wants to "get ahead" (either to get my business or to show her own boss that she can handle me) etc etc - these all are amenable to 'also' take some of my cash... And I'm also very amenable to handing over some of it to them!!

OK guys - stories on how you've scored with these "soft" targets - they're MUCHO more fun!!
SE Asia Joe

[Ace Gallant]

For me I use my nose to sniff out.

You do not need to be a dog to tell a WG from their strong perfume a mile away!

Enjoy!
AG

[Old Mean Dog]

7. If a girl's home town is really far away and she has no family in the immediate area, she's probably a working girl. Not many working girls like working near their home towns or near family.

All good points, but I disagree with ya on this one. Many girls come to Shenzhen, for example, looking for a job and a new life. Does not mean they will all become a WG because of no family. If she is educated and/or has values she will find a real job.

In a city like Shenzhen, at least 60% of the people here are from other parts of China and I assure you not all of those, that are girls, are *****s.

[Albert Punter]

... Put it in her hands, even in case she doesn't hold it, it won't fall down



...
So gentlemen, swing for the fences, all they can say is no, if they don't you've scored.
...

[Miao28]

6.
10. The vast majority of normal Chinese girls don't smoke. If yours smokes, there's a good chance she's a working girl.


There are an estimated thirty million women smokers in China. Are you saying that all these women smokers, or at least the majority, are WG?

How can you stereotype every Chinese woman smoker as a WG?

[Santa]

[QUOTE=Miao28] Are you saying that all these women smokers, QUOTE]

No! Moody said "good chance". A "traditional girl" (whatever that means) is less likely to smoke. If she smokes that increases the probability she is a WG.

[Santa]

6. If a girl can only see you really really late at night, good chance she's a working girl. As a corollary, if the girl comes home drunk every night, she's probably a KTV girl.

7. If a girl's home town is really far away and she has no family in the immediate area, she's probably a working girl. Not many working girls like working near their home towns or near family.

8. If the girl's hot and she says she has no boyfriends and that she's a virgin... well... I won't say she's a working girl, but you're probably getting scammed somehow.

9. If the girl says she works as something like a receptionist or waitress, jobs that pay less than 1000RMB a month, but somehow manages to have a 4000RMB cell phone.... she's probably a working girl or has a sugar daddy. This also applies if she's living in a 3000RMB a month apartment.

10. The vast majority of normal Chinese girls don't smoke. If yours smokes, there's a good chance she's a working girl.

11. If your girl occasionally exhibits paranoid behavior, there's a good chance she's a drug addict and most likely a working girl.

Remember, Moody is only talking about probabilities. Each of these signs only increases the probability.

[Santa]

For me I use my nose to sniff out.

Santa sniffs them out with his wrinkled old red cock! If she sucks mine she is probably a WG. :D

[Member #3421]

I had picked up a girl, of which I posted pics long time ago, by doing exactly what you say we shouldn't.
She liked a lot this sort of chat-style correspondence.

Fair enough! Of course there are exceptions, and sometimes it is a matter of supply and demand. But "the grass is greener on the other side of the fence" in every country I have visited, and "curiosity always kills the cat." I've had the best luck by keeping them curious if I have the luxury of time on my side. I just know that I screwed up a few non-WG chances by emailing too much and being too damn attentive.

I haven't looked at this thread in a few days. The recent thread re: recognizing WGs, and about pickup lines, is very interesting. Whomever posted "smile" said a million RMB (and perhaps even a million USD). A smile and confidence goes a long way. It's tough -- very difficult if you aren't used to it!

How many times did I catch the eye of a really hot girl and immediately look away (instinctive reaction: I don't get caught staring)? I wish someone had told me this when I was 18 years old. What a waste of time. Try maintaining constant eye contact and smile. Some of us (myself certainly) were probably raised to be too nice and proper. Maybe because we didn't grow up with any sisters to set us straight. Women like compliments (duh) -- or at least, the women that we have a chance with (WG or non-WG who might possibly get something going) will respond well to compliments, even in the form of a friendly smile. We're all human! A smile doesn't need to say, "I want to fuck your brains out," even if that is what you are thinking.

NBG

[Tile Man4]

There are an estimated thirty million women smokers in China. Are you saying that all these women smokers, or at least the majority, are WG?

How can you stereotype every Chinese woman smoker as a WG?Miao28 , this string was about "how do you tell a WG from non WG" . Post #820 to 831 in the "China women - Opinions and Advise". Most of of the men who respond to this Question hang out in South China.

99.99% of your post are from Kuching , Malaysia. Then you jump in and attack Moody with your Intellectual , analytical data on smoking. I did take some time to read your post from Kuching. You write some of the best post in your area. I can see that you are a smart man and you want and give the facts.

All we were trying to do was to help some ISG men who are looking for non WG's to have long term relationships and maybe marriage. We have one guy that made a post about this subject - ACE GALLANT. He is smart , funny , but a no bullshit man. He wants the facts. He tells all of us to RTFF. So maybe you need to go back and RTFF from #820 to #831.

I am a newbie to ISG with only 30+ post. But , in the past 3 years I have spent a total of about 1 years in China. I have maybe been to 10 Cities in South China only. Maybe I had eye contact and ass contact with 1 to 2 million women. I really don't know. I only saw 1 woman smoke in public.

Now get this , my ex Chinese GF said to me , that woman with a smoke is a WG. I am also 100% sure my ex Chinese GF was and maybe still is a WG. She is 43 , looks 28 and a 9 body. She knows China. If you want to talk to her about WG's and smoking , I will fix you up. She know a lot more about WG's than Tile Man and Moody.

Your live , work or play in Malaysia. Malaysia is the Paris , New York , London of Asia. China is China , its different here. Moddy NEVER did say ALL or EVERY.

Here are 2 of your quotes since you joined ISG in 2004:

1) "Fetish, don't bother posting next time if you're unwilling to share details. What's the point of your posts anyway? You can't even speak proper English. " Unquote.
***************************************************** Miao28
Senior Member
Reports: 459 Plugger,
We all make mistakes in the heat of the moment. Thank you for your graciousness. I have not taken things to heart and I am sure Viper feels the same. Let by gone be by gone.
*****************************************************

Not only are you a great writer in Malaysia , but you are also a real man who is willing to admit to his mistakes. You fucked up on this one brother. Come to South China and have a beer with us. Stay safe and have a great time in Kuching.

Have a good one , Tile Man

[Santa]

I'm sure lots of chinese girls are becomming addicted to cigarettes and are smoking in private, but do not want to be seen smoking in public because of the "bad girl" stigma.

Of course the cigarette companies must be very excited about the potentials of the China market. With the correct marketing and advertising, "good girls" will no longer fear that stigma. On top of the air pollution, tobacco will cause enormous medical problems for the chinese population.

[Moody]

There are an estimated thirty million women smokers in China. Are you saying that all these women smokers, or at least the majority, are WG?

How can you stereotype every Chinese woman smoker as a WG?

A few FACTS.

Not every girl who comes home late at night is a working girl.

Not every girl who comes home drunk every night is a drinking girl.

Not every waitress or receptionist with a 4000RMB mobile phone is a working girl.

Not every waitress or receptionist living in a 3000RMB a month apartment is a working girl.

Not every drug addict is a working girl.

And certainly not every girl who smokes is a working girl.

I'll bet dollars to RMB though, if you randomly select a 1000 girls aged 18-23 who smoke, and select another 1000 girls aged 18-23 who DON'T smoke.... a much higher percentage of the smokers will be working girls than the non-smokers. That's all I was saying.

BTW, I was thinking, if it's true there are 30 million women smokers in China, that's less than 5%. China has an estimated female population of 650-800 million. When I meet working girls, a hell of a lot more than 5% smoke... usually more than half the girls at KTV will light up, sometimes all of 'em.

[Old Mean Dog]

A few FACTS.

Not every girl who comes home late at night is a working girl.

Not every girl who comes home drunk every night is a drinking girl.

Not every waitress or receptionist with a 4000RMB mobile phone is a working girl.

Not every waitress or receptionist living in a 3000RMB a month apartment is a working girl.

Not every drug addict is a working girl.

And certainly not every girl who smokes is a working girl.

I'll bet dollars to RMB though, if you randomly select a 1000 girls aged 18-23 who smoke, and select another 1000 girls aged 18-23 who DON'T smoke.... a much higher percentage of the smokers will be working girls than the non-smokers. That's all I was saying.

BTW, I was thinking, if it's true there are 30 million women smokers in China, that's less than 5%. China has an estimated female population of 650-800 million. When I meet working girls, a hell of a lot more than 5% smoke... usually more than half the girls at KTV will light up, sometimes all of 'em.

Gentlemen, workplace sensitivity class for everyone!

I saw a couple of cute youngsters smoking the other day, next time I see those two little hotties, I am gonna test Santa amd Moodys theory, and whip out my cock and see what happens!

-SZE

[Ace Gallant]

Gentlemen, workplace sensitivity class for everyone!

I saw a couple of cute youngsters smoking the other day, next time I see those two little hotties, I am gonna test Santa amd Moodys theory, and whip out my cock and see what happens!

-SZE

SZ..... At your workplace???? Man!!!! You might go the wrong way..... sexual harrassment is also a offense in China!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

A few FACTS.

Not every girl who comes home late at night is a working girl.

Not every girl who comes home drunk every night is a drinking girl.

Not every waitress or receptionist with a 4000RMB mobile phone is a working girl.

Not every waitress or receptionist living in a 3000RMB a month apartment is a working girl.

Not every drug addict is a working girl.

And certainly not every girl who smokes is a working girl.

I'll bet dollars to RMB though, if you randomly select a 1000 girls aged 18-23 who smoke, and select another 1000 girls aged 18-23 who DON'T smoke.... a much higher percentage of the smokers will be working girls than the non-smokers. That's all I was saying.

BTW, I was thinking, if it's true there are 30 million women smokers in China, that's less than 5%. China has an estimated female population of 650-800 million. When I meet working girls, a hell of a lot more than 5% smoke... usually more than half the girls at KTV will light up, sometimes all of 'em.

But I am very sure that every WG wears strong perfume! Of course there are some low end ones that works in low end BBS, who is too poor to afford perfume, they just use whatever they can find from your Hotel's bathroom free collections :D

Enjoy!
AG

[Tuscan Man]

I spend most of my time in Xiamen and have had many local girlfriends. I can say of the normal girls non of my girlfriends smoked. of the ktv and wg types about 50% of them smoked. One ktv girlfriend was from yunxiao a town in Fujian that is the cigerette counterfit capital of China. Just about everyone in that town is in involved in the fake cigerette business in someway. She took me there to visit. That night we went out to the family style ktv with 11 of her girlfriends and everyone of those girls smoked heavily. I'm a non smoker but went along with the activity so as not to look prunish.

[Downunder96]

Damn,
I just bought an expensive bottle of French perfume & ready to give it to my girl friend for her Bday. Hope I am not implying anything!!
DU96


But I am very sure that every WG wears strong perfume! Of course there are some low end ones that works in low end BBS, who is too poor to afford perfume, they just use whatever they can find from your Hotel's bathroom free collections :D

Enjoy!
AG

[Miao28]

Tile Man4,

Shocked was the word when I saw the title of your reply to the questions that I posed to brother Moody titled, 'Miao28's attack on Moody'.
Shocked to think that my reply elicited such strong response from your goodself.

Perhaps you found my usage of the words 'all' and 'every' which I substituted for Moody's 'a good chance' was too strong and unsuitable or inappropriate. I was merely using those two words to further my understand as to what Moody meant by his words 'a good chance' and to engage brother Moody to further clarify his usage of the words 'a good chance'.

If I may quote from the opening paragraph of an article found on the web, the url of which is, http://www.womenofchina.cn/focus/health/17214.jsp, titled 'Why do women smoke', which states, Quote,

"It has been deeply ingrained in the Chinese people's mind that only bad women smoke. These women are often portrayed either as seductive spies or as dissolute prostitutes in literary works, sitcom shows and movies. Because of this stereotypical image of women who smoke, in modern China, it used to be the case that once a woman lit up a cigarette in public, she turned herself into a bad woman instantly in the eyes of others." Unquote.

I know that Moody did not use the words 'all' or 'every' and I was merely using those words to Moody to gain further insights from his usage of the words 'a good chance' that smokers are WG. Moody has since replied that there is a greater percentage of WG who smoke than non working girls and that was precisely the reply that I had in mind.

Instead of giving further insights or commenting on my reply to Moody, you saw fit to explain in great detail to readers in this thread my background which you think has relevance to your reply. I am sure all of the readers here have no interest in my personal details as to when I joined ISG and as to which little part of the world in which I post regularly, etc. If I may be permitted to air my thoughts, perhaps you are telling me in a nice fashion that I should stick to my own little part of the world in which I come from and not to post in the China thread? If I may go a little further, I would like to add that I am 100 percent Chinese and all my grandparents were born in Kwangtung (bring back the Wades Giles system of transliteration) or Guangdong (as they like to spell it nowadays) and perhaps this would give me some locus standi to comment on Chinese woman in general and Chinese woman smokers in particular. If I may be so bold as to add, it takes a Chinese man to properly know a Chinese woman and even more a Chinese woman smoker.

Are you being a bit vicious on your use of the words 'fucked up on this one brother'? Less on the expletive 'fucked' would have been the Chinese way of telling me that you thought that I was wrong in using the words 'all' or 'every'.

If you are ever in my part of this small world, perhaps you would like to come and have a beer or two on me. Enough on the semantics, let us get back to the business of discussing Chinese women in general. Have an enjoyable time dissecting the mind of the Chinese women.

[Miao28]

But I am very sure that every WG wears strong perfume! Of course there are some low end ones that works in low end BBS, who is too poor to afford perfume, they just use whatever they can find from your Hotel's bathroom free collections :D

Enjoy!
AG

The trend in my little part of the world is for WG not to wear perfume as this would stick to the clothes of the customers. Hubby would find it hard to explain the heavy smell of cheap perfume after a supposed drinking session with buddies at the local beer garden. If the WG cut down on the perfume, this would cut down on the percentage of quarrels with wife if she should does not smell perfume when hubby returns home.

[Santa]

Gentlemen, workplace sensitivity class for everyone!

I saw a couple of cute youngsters smoking the other day, next time I see those two little hotties, I am gonna test Santa amd Moodys theory, and whip out my cock and see what happens!

-SZE

When they see SZexpat's cock, the ladies will probably display a combination of shock and anxiety.

When they see mine, they usually have hysterical fits of laughter followed by sympathy. :D

[Albert Punter]

This was the case in western countries too, but 30 or more years ago .



... it used to be the case that once a woman lit up a cigarette in public, she turned herself into a bad woman instantly in the eyes of others."

[Albert Punter]

Zhuren posted this interesting report in BJ thread http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=613622&postcount=5580
with a link to a study which estimates number of WG in less than number of estimated women smokers.


There are an estimated thirty million women smokers in China. Are you saying that all these women smokers, or at least the majority, are WG?

How can you stereotype every Chinese woman smoker as a WG?

[Miao28]

Zhuren posted this interesting report in BJ thread http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=613622&postcount=5580
with a link to a study which estimates number of WG in less than number of estimated women smokers.

This article by Avert, an international AIDS charity, in http://www.avert.org/aidschina.htm, says that, Quote,

"Chinese Public security sources estimate that there were in the region of four to six million sex workers in China in 2000."Unquote.

ASH, a public health campaigning charity, estimates that there are more than thirty million women smokers in China. See their article in http://www.ash.org.uk/html/conduct/html/tobexpld8.html

[Moody]

When you guys say there's a lot more smokers than working girls, you guys are forgetting one small but important detail. The demographic for smokers is much larger than the demographic for working girls. For example, I would think a good number of the smokers (perhaps the majority) are aged 30-80 and above, whereas you would find very few working girls in that group.

If I were to meet a 80 year old woman who smokes, there's no way I would think she was a working girl. If however, I met one who was 18-23, I would think there's a good chance she was, especially if she exhibited any of the other signs. A better stat to emphasize would be smokers by age group. I have no idea what the stats are for young adult smokers in China is, but that would be a more appropriate number to discuss than the sum total of all female smokers in China.

[Old Mean Dog]

If I were to meet a 80 year old woman who smokes, there's no way I would think she was a working girl.

That's one theory I am unwilling to test, maybe we can talk Santa into it!

-SZE

[Arctic1]

Earlier this year I spent an extended period of time with a girl. Naturally I worried about the onset of her period, but she said she could control it. She had some pills she took for that purpose. I must be naïve, because it's the first I had heard of this. Can anyone shed some light?

[Miao28]

Earlier this year I spent an extended period of time with a girl. Naturally I worried about the onset of her period, but she said she could control it. She had some pills she took for that purpose. I must be naïve, because it's the first I had heard of this. Can anyone shed some light?

I dont really understand your question. Why do you worry when her period is beginning?

Perhaps she is on birth control pills to control her period? Is that what she is trying to tell you?

[Ace Gallant]

Earlier this year I spent an extended period of time with a girl. Naturally I worried about the onset of her period, but she said she could control it. She had some pills she took for that purpose. I must be naïve, because it's the first I had heard of this. Can anyone shed some light?

To my knowledge:

Bascially if we are talking about birth control pills, there are two types. The Day pills and the regular pills.

Regular Pills are those that a girl takes every day which will start on the 2nd to 5th day of her period. One course of the pills usually contains 22 or 24 pills which she will takes every day. Once she finish the course she is not to start the next course until the 2nd or 5th day of her period. Normally her period will start 1 to 2 days after she finishes each course.

Day Pills are those a girl takes 1 to 2 days after they had unprotected sexual intercourse. It normally consist of 1 to 2 pills. 1 to 2 days after taking the pills her period will begin.

Now back to your question:

I suppose you are asking if taking these pills will cause irregular period.

Yes for the Day Pills but no for the regular pills. In fact it is also a misconception that those birth control pills would helps to regulate the period.

The other question: Onset of her period; some girls do have irregular periods and some have prelong period. Taking pills to regulate the period is NOT the solution.

For Remedies read:

http://www.menstruation.com.au/periodpages/irregularremedies.html

I hope that answer your question.

Enjoy!
AG

[Arctic1]

I dont really understand your question. Why do you worry when her period is beginning?

Perhaps she is on birth control pills to control her period? Is that what she is trying to tell you?

My understanding was that the pills were not birth control pills, but I could be mistaken. I worry about her period because I do not want to screw her during her period.

[Ace Gallant]

My understanding was that the pills were not birth control pills, but I could be mistaken. I worry about her period because I do not want to screw her during her period.

If they are birth control pills, they might be Homones Pills, some doctors prescribe them to ladies who have homones imbalance.

Enjoy!
AG

[Old Mean Dog]

My understanding was that the pills were not birth control pills, but I could be mistaken. I worry about her period because I do not want to screw her during her period.

Dude, that's just the facts of life. If you don't want to earn your "Red Wings" then best forget about sex during that week or find a short time piece of pussy.

-SZE

[Miao28]

Earlier this year I spent an extended period of time with a girl. Naturally I worried about the onset of her period, but she said she could control it. She had some pills she took for that purpose. I must be naïve, because it's the first I had heard of this. Can anyone shed some light?

May I stress the importance of using a condom, unless the lady concerned is not a ML or a WL. If she can have sex with you, she can have sex with the world at large. We dont want other people's sexual history transferred to you via this lady.

[Dtcid]

There are birth control pills with a 3 month cycle. A woman take a pill each day for 3 months and she get her period after the cycle

[Ace Gallant]

There are birth control pills with a 3 month cycle. A woman take a pill each day for 3 months and she get her period after the cycle

That's the extended pills one of the brand are as below:

The SEASONALE® extended-regimen period: When you take SEASONALE®, your body behaves just as it does when you take a traditional birth control pill. You don’t ovulate and the period you experience is a “Pill period,” not a menstrual period.

The one important difference between SEASONALE® and the traditional Pill is that SEASONALE® is an extended-regimen birth control pill. Instead of taking an active pill every day for 3 weeks, you take one every day for 3 months (84 days). Taking your pills for 84 days extends the time between your scheduled periods to 1 every 3 months — 4 per year. While taking SEASONALE®, your periods will be about the same as with a traditional birth control pill — they shouldn’t be any longer or heavier. However, during the first year, you are also more likely to have spotting and breakthrough bleeding (which varies from slight spotting to a flow much like a regular period) than with a traditional birth control pill. This is common and should decrease over time. During the first year, total bleeding days are similar to a traditional Pill.

Enjoy!
AG

[Rubber Nursey]

Guys...

Excuse me dropping in on your conversation, but I know a thing or two about birth control and controlling periods. ANY contraceptive pill can be used to control/skip periods. I used the contraceptive pill to skip my periods from the age of 14, on the recommendation of my doctor, and I did it consistently for 18 years.

Contraceptive pills generally come in a pack of 28, with 21 'active' pills and 7 'sugar pills'. To use it as normal birth control, a woman takes one tablet every day until the pack is empty, then starts a new pack. For 21 of those days she's taking the active pills and her hormone levels remain constant (preventing ovulation), but while she's taking the sugar pills, her hormone levels change and she gets her period.

So to control your period, you just skip the sugar pills - no change in hormone levels, no period. You simply take the active pills for 21 days, throw the sugar pills out and start immediately on a new pack of active pills.

Some women do this constantly, for medical reasons (like I did), but HEAPS of women just do it on the odd occasion when they really don't want to have their period at a particular time - like in the situation that Arctic1 was talking about. All she has to do is skip one lot of sugar pills and she will miss one period. Her next one will come again as normal, when she takes next month's sugar pills.

As for having sex during her period, most sex workers I know (I can't vouch for Chinese workers, though) use sponges - sea sponges, purpose made synthetic sponges, or even pieces of household or carwashing sponges. The sponge is inserted just like a tampon and is generally undetectable by the man during sex, especially if he's using a condom.

Sorry about all the girlie talk - hope it wasn't too icky for you all. :)

[Dark Wolf]

Hello,

I've been here for ten months now. Just moved a small town (300,000 or so, in population) in the Southern part of China to teach. Can see already that there are a lot of eyes on me, so I must control myself. Went to a MP, didn't do anything, just addicted to good massages now. Director came over to me and mentioned it to me. No problems, but damn they already knew what I had done! Just think if I had fucked one of the girls or even tried to?

Any suggestions on how to find a steady fuck friend? Not so much a GF, but that maybe as well, but she knows that I'm out after I'm done with work. Is this possible?

Thanks for all and any comments.

[Tile Man4]

Hello,

I've been here for ten months now. Just moved a small town (300,000 or so, in population) in the Southern part of China to teach. Can see already that there are a lot of eyes on me, so I must control myself. Went to a MP, didn't do anything, just addicted to good massages now. Director came over to me and mentioned it to me. No problems, but damn they already knew what I had done! Just think if I had fucked one of the girls or even tried to?

Any suggestions on how to find a steady fuck friend? Not so much a GF, but that maybe as well, but she knows that I'm out after I'm done with work. Is this possible?

Thanks for all and any comments.

Your post struck a cord with me. I don't know why but everything you do in your town or city , people know about it. I have been reading about China for 5 years. Taked to many Chinese women about the culture. Been there 4 times since 2004. I have read , heard and seen that Chinese women don't like to talk about sex. Bull Shit!!!!!!!!

You are different in China , you are a westerner , you are a trophy to these women. Don't you just love it? But , if you want a private life. Don't shit where you eat. Take the bus to the next town. These is pussy , GF , lover , wife no matter where you go , depending on which one you want.

Don't fuck your fellow Chinese women English teacher. The next day even your students will know. Welcome to China. Take care and remember , "don't shit where you eat.

Good Luck tile man

Tile man

[Ontario Boy]

Hello,

I've been here for ten months now. Just moved a small town (300,000 or so, in population) in the Southern part of China to teach. Can see already that there are a lot of eyes on me, so I must control myself. .

You said it yourself - a lot of eyes are on you. You have two choices. One be a monk or be a man.

A monk will behave themselves and abstain from sex until they leave.

A man will walk up to your director and say " So What?? " You are not my father/get lost" I will not screw my students or your wife but everyone else is fair game? ""

Do you need the job that much ?? If the director gives you problems tell him to shove the job and walk They probably had enough trouble getting you to come in the first place. Teaching jobs are easy to get You are young once.

[Ontario Boy]

A few posts back a number of members were trying to indicate that girls who smoke are more likely to be working girls then those that don't smoke.
After over ten years with Asian women in America, Europe and China I can categorically state that there is no corelation or link at all. Chinese women smoke for a variety of reasons but being a sex worker is not one. Get out into the real Chinese world and not the clubs inhabited by mongers or their prey.

Today I was in the Oriental Plaza food court in Beijing at lunch Time . A quick estimate was that about a third of the females were smoking. They were mostly all well dressed and looked like shop assistants or office workers having lunch.Tonight I was at the old Goose and Duck and there were several mixed groups of Chinese patrons. Again about a third of the women were smoking.

[Santa]

Any suggestions on how to find a steady fuck friend? Not so much a GF, but that maybe as well, but she knows that I'm out after I'm done with work. Is this possible?

Thanks for all and any comments.

My suggestion is to fuck as many of them as you can. Avoid having a regular, she will become a problem. Tell her straight up that you don't want a steady girlfriend or wife.

Fuck 'em all and be proud of it. If they give you shit about it, tell 'em to kiss your arse and then fuck another one. If they don't like that tell 'em to go fuck themselves. Try to set a record, fucked more of these girls than any other english teacher in China. Keep fucking as many as you can and report back to your forum buddies.

Good luck Dark Wolf and we look forward to your progress report.

[Bnlee2]

My suggestion is to fuck as many of them as you can. Avoid having a regular, she will become a problem. Tell her straight up that you don't want a steady girlfriend or wife.

Fuck 'em all and be proud of it. If they give you shit about it, tel 'em to kiss your arse and then fuck another one. Try to set a record, fucked more of these girls than any other english teaching rookies in China. Keep fucking as many as you can and report back to your forum buddies.

Good luck Dark Wolf and we look forward to your progress report.
Santa;

You are suppose to be a benevolent man. Love and be a friend to everyone. You sound like Santa's 'wicked' evil twin. The Santa I knows wants to be a friend or rather a boyfriend to all females.. young and old.

Tell me this isn't the real Santa...for telling someone to kiss your ass and leave. Do you give them presents after you do the deed with these girls.. just wondering.

just in a joking mood, I will be back in a few weeks for more boring meetings. PM and lets have a drink,

[Santa]

If you see a girl in sexy clothing and smoking, there is an increased "probability" that she is an easy fuck and maybe a working girl.

If she is conservatively dressed and does not smoke, there is an increased "probability" that she is not so easy.

Just my opinion.

[Arctic1]

A few posts back a number of members were trying to indicate that girls who smoke are more likely to be working girls then those that don't smoke.
After over ten years with Asian women in America, Europe and China I can categorically state that there is no corelation or link at all. Chinese women smoke for a variety of reasons but being a sex worker is not one...

Twelve years ago I never, never saw a female smoking cigarettes in public. A wife would not even accompany her husband to a bar in Beijing. Now things have changed. I frequently see young females smoking in public. Chinese society is changing.

[Moody]

Get out into the real Chinese world and not the clubs inhabited by mongers or their prey.

Are you kidding me??? The "real Chinese world" is working 70 hours a week for 2000RMB or less a month. Why on earth would I want to do that??????

[Old Mean Dog]

Santa;

You are suppose to be a benevolent man. Love and be a friend to everyone. You sound like Santa's 'wicked' evil twin. The Santa I knows wants to be a friend or rather a boyfriend to all females.. young and old.

Tell me this isn't the real Santa...for telling someone to kiss your ass and leave. Do you give them presents after you do the deed with these girls.. just wondering.

just in a joking mood, I will be back in a few weeks for more boring meetings. PM and lets have a drink,

This Santa is a good friend of mine (unless I want to fuck his girl) and I can confirm he is the Bad Santa, just like from the movie. He gives all the girls in CP a special little gift each and every time they sit on his lap.

-SZE

[Santa]

There have been some comments about which is more important, women or friends. And comments about loyalty amongst friends. I have received a few PMs about this. So here is my reply.

Loyalty.

#1. Loyalty is only a word, invented by humans, a word we use to help us try to explain and describe behavior. But it is only a word, not some mystical trait that only psychologists understand. Only a word!

#2. People, friends, wives, girlfriends, pets, etcetera, are only loyal while it is in their own self interest and/or you are reinforcing them. When it is not in their own self interest and/or you stop reinforcing them, your very best and most loyal friend will dump you, as you would them.

#3. Self-interest, I call it, is natural and necessary. It is true of all creatures and all people. It has always been this way and will always be. It's built into the genetics and is necessary for the survival of all individuals and all species.

[Santa]

Which Is More Important, Women or Friends?

Well, I'm not a good writer, but I'll try to answer.

To understand behavior we need to understand Evolution and Learning.

Evolution. When we say humans are gregarious by nature, we need to understand that the survival of our species has required us to become social animals, to work together. Our genetics has determined that we seek friends and socialize. Animal survival also requires that males have sex with females. This is part of the evolutionary side of the question.

Learning. Learning involves our daily experiences after we are born, our interactions with others and our environments. To better understand this we need to study behavioral science; conditioning, positive and negative reinforcement, extinction. Since most people know very little about this science, it is rarely taught in schools.

When we argue in favor of one position or another, such as, "which is more important, women or friends?", our opinions reflect our individual experiences.

Some of us men have had few, none, or only negative experiences with women. Some of us have had many positive experiences with women. Some guys might have had some good sexual experiences with women, but never a good relationship with a women. Some us may have had very good relations with women, but never had sex. These experiences will be reflected in our opinions about women.

The same is true of friends. Some of us have had many good friends and some of us have had few. There are many different possible variations. These experiences will be reflected in our opinions about friends.

So, which is more important, women or friends? The answer you give depends on your own personal experiences, your individual history, and your ability to be verbally honest.

[Santa]

To add a note to my previous post.

I really don't think the question "are friends more important than pussy?" can be answered correctly, one way or another.

We behave according to the circumstances, the situation, and we have no way of knowing how we will behave.

My friend SZexpat said "friends are more important than pussy", while I said "no, pussy rules". But in truth, neither of us know how we would behave in future situations, so our answers are meaningless.

SZ said he would not reject a friend over a Yalan hooker. I'm sure that is true. But if he fell madly in love with a regular chinese girl, would he then reject his friend? If she told him "I will only marry you if you stop hanging out with Santa", would he then walk away from his friend?

Would he then reject his friend? Remember, I said "if SZ fell madly in love with her". Would pussy then be more important than friendship?

I think the answer is yes. I think the love of a women by a healthy heterosexual male, along with the affection and sexual reinforcement that situation involves, is far more powerful reinforcer than the friendship of a friend for a friend.

Of course, I'm not expecting SZ to "fall in love" with just one woman. He's a hardcore fucking animal and wants to fuck as many women as he can. :D

[Old Mean Dog]

The guys who know me, know what my job is here, but I wanted to inform all about what has happened in Shenzhen.

I learned about an American living here that uses various websites to find girls in Shenzhen (i.e. Cherry Blossoms, Match Doctor, Asian Friend Finder, etc.). What this guy does is invite these girls to his apartment with the purpose of seducing them. What I have learned is he secretly video tapes them whilst having sex, then blackmails them to pay him money for the release of the video tape. Even the guards in this guys building knows what he does and warns girls. I am not sure why the police have not got involved yet, but I will be checking. I am told he is on a fake marriage that he arranged and paid for to stay in China.

I find this activity deplorable and insulting as a foreigner, especially as a fellow American.

One of my assistants informed me tonight that she got an email from someone on Matchdoctor, who sent a warning to all girls in Shenzhen about another guy who does almost the same damn thing!

If you go to these marriage websites with the sole intent of scoring a freebie piece of ass, you might want to reconsider. You are playing on these girls emotions and in the long run, you will get burned.

-SZE

[Albert Punter]

Santa,

You are right in chasing us for answers on more appropriate subjects for this forum.

My answer is: I would keep the friend and reject the pussy.

As we are discussing about friendship and pussy, I would like to raise another topic for a possible debate.
Have you ever had sex with a female friend ?
Is it possible to have friendship between male and female with sex ?

In case you pose same question to women, most likely 100% will reply no, not possible.
I am quite positive on this subject. I believe in many cases can be a fullfillment of male/female friendship. And I can tell you, basing on my experiences, it worked well.


P.S. Actually, males get what they like, because generally we don't want friendship from women (they want that) but something else ...

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[Santa]

Santa,


My answer is: I would keep the friend and reject the pussy.

Is it possible to have friendship between male and female with sex ?

...

If you had a choice between an evening with a woman, and an evening with a friend, which would you choose? This is a useless question, since it would depend on the circumstances. For example, how good a friend is he? Is the woman hot or not?

If Romeo had to choose between Juliet or a friend, which would he choose?

Albert, you say you would "keep the friend and reject the pussy", but it's not that simple, you do not know that is true. It would depend upon the circumstances and your previous experiences.

Sex with a pretty female is a very powerful reinforcer for a healthy heterosexual male. So I would guess that, 9 times out of 10, the guy would reject an invitation to meet with a friend and accept instead an invitation to meet with a pretty pussy.

I don't have an answer to Albert's question. "Is it possible for male and female sex partners to be just regular friends?"

[Old Mean Dog]

As we are discussing about friendship and pussy, I would like to raise another topic for a possible debate.
Have you ever had sex with a female friend ?
Is it possible to have friendship between male and female with sex ?

In case you pose same question to women, most likely 100% will reply no, not possible.
I am quite positive on this subject. I believe in many cases can be a fullfillment of male/female friendship. And I can tell you, basing on my experiences, it worked well.

P.S. Actually, males get what they like, because generally we don't want friendship from women (they want that) but something else ...

Yes, I have experienced this several times. They are called "Fuck Buddies". Everyone needs some form of sexual release and if you can keep a straight head and understand that friendship is much more deeper and important than just a common bf/gf relationship. Of course, you might kick around the idea of having a bf/gf relationship and you may even test the waters, but if it doesn't work out, then still respect them as a friend.

"Lovers come and go, but friendship is forever"

Santa that's not my saying, I read it somewhere.

-SZE

[Santa]

"Lovers come and go, but friendship is forever"

Santa that's not my saying, I read it somewhere.

-SZE

That's a nice saying, and partly true.

1. Friends. Friendships generally last longer because they are based on longer lasting reinforcements, such as "mutual interests". But friendships also come and go, they also deteriorate. Sometimes they end because of petty and foolish arguments.

2. Pussy. Sexual relations are based on physical attraction and sexual arousal. As the girl no longer appears to be so attractive and sexual interest declines, the relationship quickly declines. The reinforcements are not long lasting.

3. Combo. Sometimes a sexual relationship can also involve friendship and mutual interests. Besides being pretty and good in bed, we may find she is fun to be with and enjoys similar activities. You have common interests and like the same books and movies. You are compatible. Such a relationship could lead to a long and successful marraige.

Number 3 is a combination of friendship and sex, such as Albert and SZ have been telling us of. But one of the partners may insist on monogamy and fidelity, the other may refuse, then the relationship could break down.

[Tile Man4]

Gentlemen, there has been much talk about men to men friendship and which is more important. Sex with women or male friendship. Yes, we all know the answer is sex. But I read that many men ( including me ) on this site want both. IMHO , women stick together , men don't . Why is this?

Men manipulate the environment. Women manipulate men. Women will go through great lengths to separate a man from his friends , and we fall for it. She sees a man's friend as competition to her needs and attention. - WG, non WG, any country , most women are the same with manipulation. They don't learn it , they are born with this trait. But they are like French wine , the older they get she will get better with manipulation.

This is why, for example, men devote so much of their time to fiddling around with gadgets, solving problems and playing games, and women spend much of their time and money altering the way that they look and chatting about relationships.

Most men would be staggered if they understood the lengths to which women normally go in order to manipulate them. But many men seem to be completely blind to it. This is not an insult to any man's intelligence , its just a fact of life.

And the reason is that, for the most part, men are just not operating in the same realm. Thank evolution or thank God for this , whatever your beliefs are. If men and women acted in the same realm , this world would not go around.

But why is it that women can have her female friends , her sex and everything else she fucking wants? SEX , she know that power of her pussy. Sex is power and power is sex. Oh and lets not forget money. Every human being needs power. Sex and money is power. Women are just a little better at manipulating the two. Most women have two assholes , her own and one that gets up every morning and goes to work for her.

For example, this explains why women are apt to get so uptight and make false accusations against men. They see such a thing as a failure to manipulate the man successfully and this goes right to the very core of their egos. Whereas the men involved in such situations were usually not even thinking about relationships at all , but only sex.

87% of women want heart love and 87% of men want sex love or just sex. I read these numbers from a Chinese / American sexologist. The other 13% that just don't fucking care, are from 15 to 21 years old (single). Remember those good old days?

And one of the reasons that we are facing so many problems here in the west is that feminism and political correctness have hidden from view the truly manipulative natures of women. China in just not at this level yet but they will be. Soon, very soon !!!

If you look closely at the details surrounding much of the inter-gender disharmony that takes place these days, you will usually see and hear with that verbal knife of a woman who failed to get what she wanted out of the man involved - rather than the other way round.

Most women think we wants to control her, or because we wants to achieve something, but because she persists in going on and on and fucking on about something that she wants or needs. And in doing so, she is well trained in the art of using the verbal knife in order to hurt him and to drive him crazy. Every one of you men know this verbal knife.

We have the dumb blond in the USA and China has the rocket scientist women who has to play dumb in order to give her man face. Women are purposely portrayed as passive dummies who are completely innocent. And yet nothing could be further from the truth.

When a man is watching a football match, he sees strategies, angles, tactics, formations, combinations etc to do with the game. A woman sees a group of men wasting their fucking time, pointlessly kicking an object around a field.

When a woman is watching a soap opera, however, she sees strategies, angles, tactics, formations, combinations etc to do with the manipulation of relationships. A man simply sees a story unfolding. This is what I mean by.......... She gets better with TV and age and we as men are so blind to this.

I want both , sex and my male friends. I would go crazy being with a Chinese women every day especially if our language barrier was not good. I do need to be with the boys , Chinese or western. I will fore-go the pussy for a good male friend almost anytime. Women are like buses , there is a new one that comes along every 10 minutes. Like SZE said , a friend can be forever.

PS , SANTA , You said one lie in this post. You said that you are not a good writer. I think most men on ISG ( including me ) just could not add more to this post. You are a wise man.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=622382#post622382

Have a good one guys and stay safe - tile man

[Eaglestar]

Where is Dr. Phil when we really need him?

ES

[Santa]

Where is Dr. Phil when we really need him?

ES

You have a question for me ES? :)

Tile Man, thank you for the compliment.

[Albert Punter]

Oh, oh, maybe I misunderstood your posts.
I thought you were referring to situation of possible conflict: i.e. the pussy in question is the girlfriend or wife of a friend. If such is the case, I will refrain from jeopardising the friendship.

Then, in case we just talk about how to spend an evening, 10 times out of 10 I will spend the evening with a possible prey, unless the friend needs me for consolation or special support.



...
So I would guess that, 9 times out of 10, the guy would reject an invitation to meet with a friend and accept instead an invitation to meet with a pretty pussy.
...

[Albert Punter]

It is some time John suspects his wife has got a lover and he cannot tolerate this situation anymore, so he decides to investigate.
One evening he manages to return home earlier. He parks the car around the corner and enters from the back door quietly. Immediately he hears some “noise” coming from upstairs.
Always silently, he starts to go upstairs and thinks:
- wife has never been so happy
- wife continues to take care of home and kids normally
- wife doesn’t ask him for money to pay for bills anymore
- wife doesn’t ask him for money to pay for her very elegant clothes anymore
- wife doesn’t ask him for money to pay for her jewels anymore
- wife was also able to book a beatiful cruise in the Caribbean, without asking a penny to him
- wife is always available for sex, whenever he wants
- wife ....
Then, he stops and goes downstairs, and when leaving home he says among himself: “What the f**k, HE is the cuckold !!!”



...
Most women have two assholes , her own and one that gets up every morning and goes to work for her.
...

[Santa]

If you are looking for "loyalty" or "a true friend" get a dog. There are plenty of guys out there who would tell you "forget the friends and the pussy, the only one I can trust is my dog". The dog comes first!

There is a reason they call a dog "man's best friend". When you return home from work your dog doesn't nag you, or bore you with stupid comments and arguments. Your dog will not file for divorce, blow the guy nextdoor and then take your house. Your dog will not reject your companionship because of a petty disagreement, like some friends I've known.

Someone once said, "the more I know about people, the more I like dogs".

So let's try them in this order.

#1 Dogs. #2 Pussy. #3 Friends.

Argue about #2 and #3. But when it comes to loyalty your dog is #1 :D

[Blacklisted]

As many of my friends know, since investing in the Shag Pad, many nights I would normally be out with buddies drinking and whoring and carrying on, are now spent in quiet comfort with a lady friend watching DVD's or even hitting a KTV together (to sing, mind).

But even so, dates with other potential 'prey' are important, and must be added into the mix so as to keep the potential freebie on the backburner until such time to move her forward.

However, I try hard to make sure I still hang with the boys regularly, albeit less regularly than before and actually, that is some of the best fun!

Hunting together and partying is awesome!

So essentially, we are all right and all wrong!

Both are important and needed to make a satisfying life, and sometimes one takes priority over the other and vice versa.

Dogs on the other hand, you can have!

[Santa]

However, I try hard to make sure I still hang with the boys regularly, albeit less regularly than before and actually, that is some of the best fun!

Hunting together and partying is awesome!

So essentially, we are all right and all wrong!

Both are important and needed to make a satisfying life, and sometimes one takes priority over the other and vice versa.

Dogs on the other hand, you can have!

Totally agree with you Blacklisted. Sometimes a friend takes priority over a woman and vice versa.

Women and friends are a lot more fun than a dog. You can't drink beer and laugh at jokes with your dog. You can't enjoy an interesting conversation with a dog. You can't have a romantic dinner and sex with your dog. Then again, maybe some guys do, I guess that's called "doing doggy" :D. But when it comes to "loyalty", the dog wins!

You can kick your dog in the butt and lock it in a room all day, and when you open the door, the dog will wag it's tail and still love you. Try doing that to your woman or friend.

[Ace Gallant]

Below is story, a wise friend once told me:

A guy heard a knock on his door and upon opening it he found 4 old men at the door who introduce themselves as:
1) Health
2) Family
3) Money
4) Friends

So, he invited all of them into his house but only to find that when “Friends” came in, the rest of them stayed out. When Money came in, “Friends” will follow after but Health and Family stayed out, but when Health came in, Family, Money and friends followed in after in sequent.

What’s the moral of the story?

Your own Health is the most important, without Health you got nothing. If you have a good health, you will be able to take care of your family in which money will follow in after. As for friends, nobody would want to associate themselves with a poor burger. But if you have money, you will be able to help them out and you would find yourself surrounded with a lot of friends.

But where is the so called important thing on this topic of Pussy? There is no fifth old man called “Pussy” This is my POV; Pussy is just a wants in life. Whilst the four mentioned above are Needs. Without any one of 4 above, pussy is of no use to you. The Pussy will not let you fuck her if you have no money and a sick man will not be able to fuck. Neither will a guy without any friends will be able find himself a good piece of pussy.

Conclusion: Pussy is important, but you will not live in misery without one, whilst all the other 4 are needs in life which you cannot do without! So treasure it!

Enjoy!
AG

[Bill Lee]

Food, shelter and sex.

Moral of another story, with my last dying breath, last RMB and with the help of my family and friends, I'm coming back to CP for one last Pussy. And he better not turn out to be an old man.

Enjoy,
Bill

[Crazier]

Guys,

There have been quite a few posts on this subject and perhaps, unnecessarily.

Personally, most guys I have known over my life would choose friends over women except that quite a few have had to "sometimes, temporarily forsake" friends for their lifetime companions (wife), but that is the order of life!
In the longer term, the close old men friendships will prevail.

My observation is that men make longer and more sticky close companionships amongst themselves than women because women tend to ***** and simply find reasons to hate each other over minor things.

I would personally choose to spend time and companionship with my men friends. If there is a woman in my life at that time. she either comes along or stay away if the situation is inappropriate for her to be present when I am with buddies.

Where there is some confusion here I observe is the difference between good old friends & aquaintances.

Most of the mongers here who have met up in ISG and in CP etc I would categorize as "aquaintances" with some developing friendships. A minor few may have accelerated to become buddy friendships while others are perhaps still being nurturing.

In some cases, one guy may see it as true blue friendship while the other side may still perceive it as a developing aquaintance with a view of common hobby (mongering).

So hang on guys, true blue friendship requires time and space. Meantime, no harm in learning more about each other.

[Ace Gallant]

guys,

there have been quite a few posts on this subject and perhaps, unnecessarily.

personally, most guys i have known over my life would choose friends over women except that quite a few have had to "sometimes, temporarily forsake" friends for their lifetime companions (wife), but that is the order of life!
in the longer term, the close old men friendships will prevail.

my observation is that men make longer and more sticky close companionships amongst themselves than women because women tend to ***** and simply find reasons to hate each other over minor things.

i would personally choose to spend time and companionship with my men friends. if there is a woman in my life at that time. she either comes along or stay away if the situation is inappropriate for her to be present when i am with buddies.

where there is some confusion here i observe is the difference between good old friends & aquaintances.

most of the mongers here who have met up in isg and in cp etc i would categorize as "aquaintances" with some developing friendships. a minor few may have accelerated to become buddy friendships while others are perhaps still being nurturing.

in some cases, one guy may see it as true blue friendship while the other side may still perceive it as a developing aquaintance with a view of common hobby (mongering).

so hang on guys, true blue friendship requires time and space. meantime, no harm in learning more about each other.

i tend to agree with you to a certain extend but in the marines we were taught either you are a friend or an enemy. we would shout: “friend or foe”.

imho: basic needs of human is food, water, clothing and shelter. sex is never a basic need; one will never die without sex. of course there are some exceptions. to those who think sex is a need; these are people who would betray friends for pussy or they reflect the typical profile of a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126).

enjoy!
ag

[Bill Lee]

really don't need to be on this board.

I don't know about you, but I'm fucking horny as hell and I ain't going take anymore.

Remind me again about the purpose of this board?
Oh yeah:
The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.

This is not the InternationalFriendsGuide.info board.

So if you're looking for friends, you better join up some penpal board elsewhere. Maybe you're in the wrong board. I'm guessing that most of us if not all of us members here "need" sex. Otherwise what the fuck are we doing here?

OK. I'm all fire up. I'm going out to get lay and not meet some "friends." I hope I don't bump into some "friends" along the way. Cause that would screw up my day.

Friends, just an over-rated TV show.

Enjoy,
Bill

[Old Mean Dog]

If you are looking for "loyalty" or "a true friend" get a dog. There are plenty of guys out there who would tell you "forget the friends and the pussy, the only one I can trust is my dog". The dog comes first!

There is a reason they call a dog "man's best friend". When you return home from work your dog doesn't nag you, or bore you with stupid comments and arguments. Your dog will not file for divorce, blow the guy nextdoor and then take your house. Your dog will not reject your companionship because of a petty disagreement, like some friends I've known.

Someone once said, "the more I know about people, the more I like dogs".

So let's try them in this order.

#1 Dogs. #2 Pussy. #3 Friends.

Argue about #2 and #3. But when it comes to loyalty your dog is #1 :D

A dog shits and pisses on my floor, I broke my gf of this long ago. Besides, you can't shag your dog (well, I'm not into that). I think the best answer is to find a submissive female that you can shag and befriend her, thus you kind of have the best of all three.

-SZE

[Old Mean Dog]

really don't need to be on this board.

I don't know about you, but I'm fucking horny as hell and I ain't going take anymore.

Remind me again about the purpose of this board?
Oh yeah:
The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.

This is not the InternationalFriendsGuide.info board.

So if you're looking for friends, you better join up some penpal board elsewhere. Maybe you're in the wrong board. I'm guessing that most of us if not all of us members here "need" sex. Otherwise what the fuck are we doing here?

OK. I'm all fire up. I'm going out to get lay and not meet some "friends." I hope I don't bump into some "friends" along the way. Cause that would screw up my day.

Friends, just an over-rated TV show.

Enjoy,
Bill

Bill,

Your not looking at it in the right context. What Jackson has created with ISG , is a brotherhood of mongers to go and report about places to go and things to do, with the main emphasis on sex. We all come to these boards to chat with like minded people and in some cases, even meet them in RL (Santa is like a S. China Ambassador for ISG), so in a sense you have developed many friendships on ISG already in your great search for another piece of pussy.

In China, pussy can be had on almost any street corner or alley, but to find a liked minded person here that you can communicate with is a whole different ball of wax. Here is a great example; My wingman has pussy on the brain 24/7, I understand what drives him and we can communicate about this topic often. Yet, when he meets an outsider, his topics always revert back to pussy and I can see the shock in these peoples faces as he talks to them.

Did you just "lone wolf" it everyday and not talk to other like minded people whilst you were here? Certainly not, you met others from ISG, BECAUSE you had already developed a form of friendship with them online and wanted to know them in RL.

-SZE

[Fast Eddie 48]

really don't need to be on this board.

I don't know about you, but I'm fucking horny as hell and I ain't going take anymore.

Remind me again about the purpose of this board?

Oh yeah:

The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.

This is not the InternationalFriendsGuide.info board.

So if you're looking for friends, you better join up some penpal board elsewhere. Maybe you're in the wrong board. I'm guessing that most of us if not all of us members here "need" sex. Otherwise what the fuck are we doing here?

OK. I'm all fire up. I'm going out to get lay and not meet some "friends." I hope I don't bump into some "friends" along the way. Cause that would screw up my day.

Friends, just an over-rated TV show.

Enjoy,

BillTo bill,

You can buy all the pussy in the world you want but you cannot buy friendship please sleep on that one my friend.

Fast eddie 48

[Santa]

Well, there it is folks. Now we know what we want for Christmas.

AG wants very loyal friends. Bill Lee wants wet and tight pussy, friends can wait until he's finished, the pussy comes first! Santa wants beer and a dog. OAH wants less fuckin' bullshit on the forum and a girl in red boots who gives really good blowjobs. JohnnyKon wants a 3way. Moody wants a big cheese-steak sandwich and a can of bugspray. And "mommies boy" SZexpat wants to fuck another mommy. They should lock SZ in a cage, even the mommies aren't safe when he's in town!

And the rest you probably want us to shut the fuck up or change the friggin subject. :D

[Ace Gallant]

To bill,

You can buy all the pussy in the world you want but you cannot buy friendship please sleep on that one my friend.

Fast eddie 48

Eddie;

Very well said.

Price of pussy in CP 150 - 200
Price of pussy in Catacombs 30
Price of pussy in Dalang 30
Price of Pussy in CP Saunas 400 - 800
Price of Pussy in CP KTV 500
Price of friendship: Priceless!
Price of getting to know a wanker: 35RMB or one breakfast in Miraton Hotel.

Enjoy!
AG

NB. All prices quoted are in RMB and for ST.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Eddie;

Very well said.

Price of pussy in CP 150 - 200
Price of pussy in Catacombs 30
Price of pussy in Dalang 30
Price of Pussy in CP Saunas 400 - 800
Price of Pussy in CP KTV 500
Price of friendship: Priceless!
Price of getting to know a wanker: 35RMB or one breakfast in Miraton Hotel.

Enjoy!
AG

NB. All prices quoted are in RMB and for ST.To AG

What the fxxx this sound like the US visa commercial.

Fast eddie 48

[Bill Lee]

So where were you stationed with the Marines?

Were you with the US Marines at all?

(I wonder why he doesn't answer that?)

Bill

[Santa]

To bill,

You can buy all the pussy in the world you want but you cannot buy friendship
Fast eddie 48

Sorry Fast Eddie, but I disagree.

The reason people become your "friend" or "love you" is because you reinforce them. You can reinforce them by being polite, charming, funny, interesting, kind, etc. You can also reinforce them with money by being "generous".

Money is a very powerful reinforcer and is often used for winning friends and influencing people. If you have plenty of money you can give gifts, help with debts, give cash, pay for dinner, give invitations to social events, pickup the ktv bill, pay for the girls, etc. So money can definately be used to win friends.

The Beatles sang a very nice song that most of you know "Money Can't Buy Me Love". Cute, but not true.

Not just hookers, regular women are also attracted to men with money, because they have learned that men with money are better able to reinforce them. Men are also attracted to people who have power and money, because we have also learned that they are better able to reinforce us.

We are not likely to become friends with street beggers, because we have learned that they are unlikely to reinforce us. But beggers are attracted to us, because they have learned that we might reinforce them.

When you buy a lady flowers, give your neighbor tomatoes, and invite someone to dinner, you are using your money to reinforce love and friendship.

[Santa]

So essentially, we are all right and all wrong!

Both are important and needed to make a satisfying life, and sometimes one takes priority over the other and vice versa.

!

I think Blacklisted has already given us a satisfactory answer to this question.

[Albert Punter]

yes, it is similar to European commercial too



To AG

What the fxxx this sound like the US visa commercial.

Fast eddie 48

[Old Mean Dog]

I have noticed that a lot of the younger girls 18-25, do not mind being with an older man, this was something I had to get used to coming from the USA, where most couples are within 10 years or less of each others ages.

I am talking about both freebies and xiaojies who want some form of a relationship.

Before I get ripped, let me say that there are girls who are working as xiaojies, but don't like this life and were kind of dupped or sucked into it for one reason or another. I think this is the reason you really never see the same girls, like this, past 2-3 months in a shop.

It also dawned on me that the ones I had real GFE with were the ones who did not stick around long (maybe I scared them), while the ones who were just a common pop (i.e no kissing, no BBBJ, etc.) seem to be the pros and are always around.

It almost seems like they want a father figure in their life. Maybe they had a tough upbringing, maybe no father around or maybe he shunned her growing up, never giving her the affection he would have for a son.

I know AG will say it's about the money, but I think it's much deeper than that. Maybe it is stability, security and/or affection that makes them want the older man. Sure, they need money to survive (hell, we all do), but outside of money, what do they seek or need that would make them want a much older man?

Santa, oh wise one, maybe you can help me in my dilemma?

-SZE

[Bill Lee]

is the fact that many of these girls have work at one time or another as a P4P worker and are used to older men.

For instance, I had a mid-20's GF in the states when I was in my early 40's. She was a mainlander and looking back, she was probably a working girl when she was back home.

Now, back in the states, you'll rarely find a American born Chinese girl with older men.

I think that through gradually getting use to older men in their company, they realized that that's where the comfort zone is, where their security is and where the money is too. Money brings comfort and security. That's what most girls will settle for in the end.

And maybe you're right about the father figure. After all, China is a son come first society. Any older men who adores a younger girl must make that girl feel special when she probably hadn't that kind of support and admiration at home.

Bill



I have noticed that a lot of the younger girls 18-25, do not mind being with an older man, this was something I had to get used to coming from the USA, where most couples are within 10 years or less of each others ages.

I am talking about both freebies and xiaojies who want some form of a relationship.

Before I get ripped, let me say that there are girls who are working as xiaojies, but don't like this life and were kind of dupped or sucked into it for one reason or another. I think this is the reason you really never see the same girls, like this, past 2-3 months in a shop.

It also dawned on me that the ones I had real GFE with were the ones who did not stick around long (maybe I scared them), while the ones who were just a common pop (i.e no kissing, no BBBJ, etc.) seem to be the pros and are always around.

It almost seems like they want a father figure in their life. Maybe they had a tough upbringing, maybe no father around or maybe he shunned her growing up, never giving her the affection he would have for a son.

I know AG will say it's about the money, but I think it's much deeper than that. Maybe it is stability, security and/or affection that makes them want the older man. Sure, they need money to survive (hell, we all do), but outside of money, what do they seek or need that would make them want a much older man?

Santa, oh wise one, maybe you can help me in my dilemma?

-SZE

[Santa]

Santa, oh wise one, maybe you can help me in my dilemma?

-SZE

I think you have answered your own question, oh wise one :)

I think chinese women will become less interested in older men as chinese women become increasingly influenced by western society. Also, as women gain financial success they will learn not to need men for security. This has already happened in the western countries where many women now earn more than men.

In the western countries, test tube babies are becoming increasingly popular. Women with money are ordering sperm from spermbanks where they can select gentically advantaged male donors. These women no longer need sex with men, so they encourage males to go fuck each other, or go fuck themselves.

Western governments support single mothers financially through "social programs", so working husbands become unnecessary. This is very apparent in the US inner cities where most mothers are single and their living expenses are paid by the federal government. The more babies they have the more "assistance" they receive. Many of these women sit in front of the TV all day, gorge themselves with food and become horribly obese. Men hang out on street corners, unemployed and useless to society.

SZ. Enjoy chinese women while you can.

[Bill Lee]

No, it isn't obvious unless you say so.

But what is obvious my friend, is that you have been evading the question.

So were you in the US Marines? It's a simple yes or no?

And if it is yes, we just want to know where you were stationed at?

And what does my employment have to do with anything about your military service? I never brought anything about my employment in past posts. You brought up your military service.

Bill


How stupid can one get?

The answer is obvious isn't it?

How about if you start telling us the company you work in first?

Enjoy!
AG

[Dan Hawaii]

I have noticed that a lot of the younger girls 18-25, do not mind being with an older man, this was something I had to get used to coming from the USA, where most couples are within 10 years or less of each others ages.

I am talking about both freebies and xiaojies who want some form of a relationship.

Before I get ripped, let me say that there are girls who are working as xiaojies, but don't like this life and were kind of dupped or sucked into it for one reason or another. I think this is the reason you really never see the same girls, like this, past 2-3 months in a shop.

It also dawned on me that the ones I had real GFE with were the ones who did not stick around long (maybe I scared them), while the ones who were just a common pop (i.e no kissing, no BBBJ, etc.) seem to be the pros and are always around.

It almost seems like they want a father figure in their life. Maybe they had a tough upbringing, maybe no father around or maybe he shunned her growing up, never giving her the affection he would have for a son.

I know AG will say it's about the money, but I think it's much deeper than that. Maybe it is stability, security and/or affection that makes them want the older man. Sure, they need money to survive (hell, we all do), but outside of money, what do they seek or need that would make them want a much older man?

Santa, oh wise one, maybe you can help me in my dilemma?

-SZE
I think the "father figure" psychological stuff comes into play and they are just seeking approval from their dads for what they are doing. So next time you are pleasuring one of these girls, ask them "who's you daddy" and smack her ass and say "you have been a naughty little girl". And after all the dust has settled, say "wo ai ni" :)

[Dan Hawaii]

Well, there it is folks. Now we know what we want for Christmas.

AG wants very loyal friends. Bill Lee wants wet and tight pussy, friends can wait until he's finished, the pussy comes first! Santa wants beer and a dog. OAH wants less fuckin' bullshit on the forum and a girl in red boots who gives really good blowjobs. JohnnyKon wants a 3way. Moody wants a big cheese-steak sandwich and a can of bugspray. And "mommies boy" SZexpat wants to fuck another mommy. They should lock SZ in a cage, even the mommies aren't safe when he's in town!

And the rest you probably want us to shut the fuck up or change the friggin subject. :D
Santa, I have been a good little boy, my Christmas wish is to move ChangPing to Hawaii. :)

[Dan Hawaii]

Depends on what kind of pussy we are talking about. Wify pussy, which is the pussy who is the mother of your child/ren kind of pussy, would be more important than friends, given that you love that pussy. The pussy that costs $20 for pussy, which is the pussy that is running rampant around pussy central CP, not more important than friends.

So the conclusion about pussy and friends, is that the first pussy is more important than the second pussy. As long as the first pussy does not find out about the second pussy, if that happens then fuck, the first pussy will get very mad at the second pussy and yourself, then the first pussy will ask for divorce. Thereafter, the first pussy will becomes less important than friends, because of the second pussy, 3rd pussy, 4th pussy, 5th pussy, 6th pussy, 7th pussy, 8th pussy, 9th pussy, 10th pussy, 11th pussy, 12th pussy, 13th pussy, 14th pussy, etc.

So to answer the question about pussy or friends, the pussy has to be placed into context on what kind of pussy we are talking about. So you guys get my point about pussy?

[Tile Man4]

I think you have answered your own question, oh wise one :)

I think chinese women will become less interested in older men as chinese women become increasingly influenced by western society. Also, as women gain financial success they will learn not to need men for security. This has already happened in the western countries where many women now earn more than men.

In the western countries, test tube babies are becoming increasingly popular. Women with money are ordering sperm from spermbanks where they can select gentically advantaged male donors. These women no longer need sex with men, so they encourage males to go fuck each other, or go fuck themselves.

Western governments support single mothers financially through "social programs", so working husbands become unnecessary. This is very apparent in the US inner cities where most mothers are single and their living expenses are paid by the federal government. The more babies they have the more "assistance" they receive. Many of these women sit in front of the TV all day, gorge themselves with food and become horribly obese. Men hang out on street corners, unemployed and useless to society.

SZ. Enjoy chinese women while you can.

As long as many Chinese men reject the divroced woman with a child , the older man or almost any western man has a chance. I would guess that many Chinese women divorce because of cheating , but she is blamed for the man's cheating.

As long as the Chinese woman gets older , even if she is beautiful , she is rejected. Young women give the Chinese man face. Sorry , no face with the older woman. I was told 5 years ago that 40 was old for a Chinese woman , now I am starting to hear 35 or less.

I must assume Santa , that you are talking about the GF or wife type , because all WG's ( Western or Eastern ) will go where the money is , no matter what the man's age.

The most attractive woman and sought after in the west is maybe 35 to 40 for the older man. We all know that the 19 year old is just a girl toy. This is a total 180 degree thinking in China. So , until the attitude of Chinese men change , they will be loosing there prime and beautiful women to the west with the help of the computer age.

Also , Chinese woman seem to think that ONLY older men have money in the west. This is so far from the truth. The most important quality that West and East women want is security. Chinese women think only older men can give them this. I still think it will take another 20 to 30 years to change this thinking. IMHO don't worry guys. I think we still have time. As far as the WG , there are a dime a dozen and maybe always will be in China.

Happy mongering , GF or Wife. tile man

[Miao28]

No, it isn't obvious unless you say so.

But what is obvious my friend, is that you have been evading the question.

So were you in the US Marines? It's a simple yes or no?

And if it is yes, we just want to know where you were stationed at?

And what does my employment have to do with anything about your military service? I never brought anything about my employment in past posts. You brought up your military service.

Bill

All Marines serve for a four year tour of duty. Once a Marine, always a Marine. One should be proud of having served in the elite Marines. So I wonder why the defensiveness when asked further. I dont believe that you are asking for his rank and serial number. Now that is a different story altogether.

[Miao28]

As long as many Chinese men reject the divroced woman with a child , the older man or almost any western man has a chance. I would guess that many Chinese women divorce because of cheating , but she is blamed for the man's cheating.

As long as the Chinese woman gets older , even if she is beautiful , she is rejected. Young women give the Chinese man face. Sorry , no face with the older woman. I was told 5 years ago that 40 was old for a Chinese woman , now I am starting to hear 35 or less.

I must assume Santa , that you are talking about the GF or wife type , because all WG's ( Western or Eastern ) will go where the money is , no matter what the man's age.

The most attractive woman and sought after in the west is maybe 35 to 40 for the older man. We all know that the 19 year old is just a girl toy. This is a total 180 degree thinking in China. So , until the attitude of Chinese men change , they will be loosing there prime and beautiful women to the west with the help of the computer age.

Also , Chinese woman seem to think that ONLY older men have money in the west. This is so far from the truth. The most important quality that West and East women want is security. Chinese women think only older men can give them this. I still think it will take another 20 to 30 years to change this thinking. IMHO don't worry guys. I think we still have time. As far as the WG , there are a dime a dozen and maybe always will be in China.

Happy mongering , GF or Wife. tile man

You seem to be belittling the Chinaman's thinking in a few of your posts with your Western man thinking.

If you think like a China man, there would not be a need for you to look down on the China man.

When in China, think like a China man. When in Rome, do as the Roman do.

By the way, how old are you George?

Remember that the Chinese make up a quarter of the world's population. You will catch a big cold if only a small fraction of the Chinese population sneeze.

[Ace Gallant]

All Marines serve for a four year tour of duty. Once a Marine, always a Marine. One should be proud of having served in the elite Marines. So I wonder why the defensiveness when asked further. I dont believe that you are asking for his rank and serial number. Now that is a different story altogether.

Now, that's a funny one;

Dear Sergent Major,

Please be proud of the fact that one of your Marines is shagging all these girls in CP and all over China. I am give a great contribution to our country by posting all this information so that all other fellowman can come to China and shag these girls as well. Apart from the fact that the Chinese do not appreciate us doing all these great contribution to their China, there is nothing to fear at all. We can even organise a unit gangbang in China and plant our flag in each city that we visit! Hurraaa!!!

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: Its call a Service number and not Serial Number. Serial Number is use in the movies only!

[Miao28]

Now, that's a funny one;

Dear Sergent Major,

Please be proud of the fact that one of your Marines is shagging all these girls in CP and all over China. I am give a great contribution to our country by posting all this information so that all other fellowman can come to China and shag these girls as well. Apart from the fact that the Chinese do not appreciate us doing all these great contribution to their China, there is nothing to fear at all. We can even organise a unit gangbang in China and plant our flag in each city that we visit! Hurraaa!!!

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: Its call a Service number and not Serial Number. Serial Number is use in the movies only!

That is funny, you didnt know that they actually use the term serial number? And you think they still use the term service number? Have you not heard that they have changed to the term social security number? Perhaps you enlisted before 1972. That was when they stop using the term service number.


Quote:

http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/HD/Historical/Frequently_Requested/Serial_Numbers_History.htm

"Background information on the origin of service numbers for Marine Corps
Personnel and the method of filing office and enlisted cases

1. Effective 1 July 1905, each enlisted man’s file case was assigned a number and the file case filed numerically. The first, or lowest number assigned was 20,000. The numbers from zero through 19,999 were reserved for Headquarters “general files” correspondence.

2. Previous to 1 July 1905, the enlisted men’s cases were filed alphabetically and when there were two or more cases with the same name, the cases were filed by date of enlistment.

3. Circular Letter 432 of 15 February 1941 directed that beginning on 1 March 1941 the file case numbers became the identification, or serial, number for each enlisted man in the Marine Corps or Marine Corps Reserve. Enlisted men in the service on 28 February 1941 were assigned file (serial) numbers by the Commandant of the Marine Corps and their commanding officers informed. Each number was identical with the file case number then used to identify the man at Marine Corps Headquarters, and remained the same during the man’s entire enlisted service. Each man enlisting in the Corps at the recruiting offices on and after 1 March 1941 was assigned a serial number by the recruiting officer immediately upon completion of the enlistment contract. The Commandant of the Marine Corps assigned blocks of numbers to recruiting districts for the purpose. A man enlisting at a Marine Corps activity other than recruiting, was assigned a serial number by Marine Corps Headquarters upon receipt of the enlistment paper, and the commanding officer of the man concerned was informed of that number. A re-enlisted man was reassigned the same serial number used to identify him during a previous enlistment.

4. In the early 1920’s a number was assigned to each officer’s file case from an alphabetical listing, thus an officer whose name began with “A” was assigned number “01”, etc. The system of filing the cases alphabetically was continued. The number was preceded by an “0” to distinguish it from an enlisted number.

5. On 7 October 1943 the Commandant of the Marine Corps directed by Letter of Instruction 551, that the system of using officers’ file case numbers for identification purposes and on correspondence concerning officers would be instituted, effective immediately. The number was shown immediately following the name of the office wherever it first appears in the correspondence.

6. Identification numbers were first designated service numbers. On 3 May 1950 Marine Corps Memorandum 45-50 was published directing the term “service number” will be used instead of the term “serial number”.

7. On 10 November 1950 the method of filing enlisted cases numerically was converted to a double terminal digit filing system.

8. On 5 June 1953 the method of filing officer cases alphabetically, although identified by a service number, was converted to a triple terminal digit filing system.

9. On 1 January 1972, the social security number replaced the service (serial) number as the primary means of identifying service personnel.

Reference Branch
History Division
2006"

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[Tile Man4]

You seem to be belittling the Chinaman's thinking in a few of your posts with your Western man thinking.

If you think like a China man, there would not be a need for you to look down on the China man.

When in China, think like a China man. When in Rome, do as the Roman do.

By the way, how old are you George?

Remember that the Chinese make up a quarter of the world's population. You will catch a big cold if only a small fraction of the Chinese population sneeze.Nope Miao , I learned at 8 years old at the dinner table when my older brother made a joke about a Jew and a Black man not to hate and be prejudice. My mother beat that poor boy with that big wooden spoon of hers until he was bloody.

We can only learn hate and prejudice in the home. But I did make China my home for 1 year and I was taught hatred and prejudice in my home (China) , only by a few men. You may have read some of my experiences with men in China in some of my earlier post.

We all know that China has 40 million men shortage with no women in sight. I have read that the ages of these boys and men are from 3 to 28. I now read that the figure is closer to 70 million. Its right in the Beijing Times Newspaper. And oh shit the Govt is really worried about the social ramifications of this problem and they openly talk about this problem in their controlled news.

Well, I ran into a few of these 40 to 70 million men. Would you walk down a dark alley in China with two of your beautiful Malaysian women on each arm and 70 million angry , frustrated men, pissed off and all with hard-ons walking towards you? You as a Chinese man and me as a western man would not make it through that gauntlet alive.

After my brother incident , I did learn later in life that if I / We who hate, then we allow these people that we hate to have control over us. I could not sleep for a year after 9.11 , I do hate those bastards. They killed my innocent American/Chinese brothers in NYC too. Other than the 9.11 problem , I cannot hate and be prejudice. If your [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) is yellow and your blood is red , then you pass all the requirements that I need to like a man.

I hate that phrase when in Rome , I use it too. Instead of trying to learn the most complicated culture in the world , If a person will not take my hand as a sign of friendship , I just shake the dust of my sandals , turn around and never look back. This works for me.

BTW , most of the information that I talk about came from all the Chinese women's mouth that I know. We must understand that Chinese women burn both ends of the candle. They tell us western men that they hate their Chinese men brother and when we leave they tell their Chinese men how much they hate us. USA and Western women say it a little different. They say , why can't I find a good man. Same thing , just a little different language.

If your [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) is yellow and your blood is red , then your OK in my book Miao. I am 60 and will be more than happy to email you some of me and my women's pic who have talked with me about this subject. I would share them with you. PM me anytime. I will not post pictures of myself and women on this site.

Stay safe - tile man

[Ace Gallant]

That is funny, you didnt know that they actually use the term serial number? And you think they still use the term service number? Have you not heard that they have changed to the term social security number? Perhaps you enlisted before 1972. That was when they stop using the term service number.


This shows that you are another wanker who does nothing but sit at home in front of the computer not knowing what is going on outside around the world.

One advice given to me by a good friend:

Assumption is the mother of all fucked ups.

Where in my posts did I say that I am the US Marines?

Ah...! you are one step nearer to find out which I am from.
Don't be stupid, we know well that this is a public forum, why on earth will anyone post information leading to a trace of true identity? I would be from MI6? CIA? KGB? hahahaha..... I had been through these all, keep them coming.

Get out of your seat and go get some pussy instead of trying to post report that you know better. When you return, post some reports trying to show that you know better. Post some report that are informative instead of flaming posts.

This matter ends here.

Enjoy!
AG

[Weelock]

Miao28:

You should NOT use racial racist terms to describe the Chinese Male in your post yesterday at 23:18. A rude derogatory remark.

[Zhuren]

This section is called " China Women - Opinions and Advice"

With all the bickering and name calling going on here, I move to change the title to "China & Laowei Girls - Bitching and Moaning."

[Old Mean Dog]

Now, that's a funny one;

Dear Sergent Major,

Please be proud of the fact that one of your Marines is shagging all these girls in CP and all over China. I am give a great contribution to our country by posting all this information so that all other fellowman can come to China and shag these girls as well. Apart from the fact that the Chinese do not appreciate us doing all these great contribution to their China, there is nothing to fear at all. We can even organise a unit gangbang in China and plant our flag in each city that we visit! Hurraaa!!!

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: Its call a Service number and not Serial Number. Serial Number is use in the movies only!

AG,

That's news to me! I served for 20 Years (not USMC), retiring in 2005. As far back as I can remember, we just used Social Security #. I spent 8 years in Europe (living in England, Greece and Spain) and as a young man, it was our goal to fuck girls from as many countries as we could! We had one of those miniature flag stands and would run down to the shop to buy a flag of the girls country of origin. I was proud to say, mine resembled the United Nations!

Miao,

The USMC used to have 2 and 4 year enlistments, and in my branch we had 4 and 6 year enlistments. This data is a few years old, so I am not sure if they have done away with the 2 year enlistments.

Hell, I am just a young fella, so maybe you guys are old school GI's. I am wondering though, what the fuck does this have to do with Chinese girls or even China in general?

-SZE

[Ace Gallant]

AG,

That's news to me! I served for 20 Years (not USMC), retiring in 2005. As far back as I can remember, we just used Social Security #. I spent 8 years in Europe (living in England, Greece and Spain) and as a young man, it was our goal to fuck girls from as many countries as we could! We had one of those miniature flag stands and would run down to the shop to buy a flag of the girls country of origin. I was proud to say, mine resembled the United Nations!


-SZE

SZ,

As I mentioned, I did not said that I was in US Marines. There are many Marines Corps in the world. Besides, why it is important whether I was in the Marines and what has it got to do with ISG or the topic of friends? In any case, SZ, you wouldn't tell which unit you are from on the ISG would you?

OK, if any of you are wondering if I was ever in the Marines before, I'll show you my service card the next time we meet.

As I said; this has nothing to do with ISG and I think we had taken the discussion over the limit of wasting the space on this threads. Matter Ends here.

Enjoy!
AG

[Zhuren]

As I said; this has nothing to do with ISG and I think we had taken the discussion over the limit of wasting the space on this threads. Matter Ends here.



I am wondering though, what the fuck does this have to do with Chinese girls or even China in general?





Absolutely. Case closed. This is getting annoying.

[Santa]

Maybe we should ask the moderator to start a "Useless Crap" thread, just for us.

Some of us are just full of it, especially me. I'm not going to name others, we know who we are. :)

[Dan Hawaii]

I don't speak the language, so I was wondering if any of you seniors (AG, SXE, Charge Red, Moody, etc...) could tell all the mommies to make their girls shave their armpits and legs (if needed). Not to be picky, but just my opinion :) , unless it goes against some kind of Chinese culture???

[Santa]

I don't speak the language, so I was wondering if any of you seniors (AG, SXE, Charge Red, Moody, etc...) could tell all the mommies to make their girls shave their armpits and legs (if needed). Not to be picky, but just my opinion :) , unless it goes against some kind of Chinese culture???

I have not found it to be a problem. Most of the girls have little body hair. A few have a big bush between their legs. Arctic1 uses a professional shaving kit on them. He says shaving pussy is lots of fun. I have never tried it but would like to.

[Ace Gallant]

I don't speak the language, so I was wondering if any of you seniors (AG, SXE, Charge Red, Moody, etc...) could tell all the mommies to make their girls shave their armpits and legs (if needed). Not to be picky, but just my opinion :) , unless it goes against some kind of Chinese culture???

There is nothing is Chinese culture (as I know of) that says that the girls should not shave. However I had found that it is hard to convince Chinese girls to shave their pussies or at least make it less bushy. Asking them to shave their armpits and legs has a 50% chance for me. I had often got the reply that it is painful or ticklish when the hair starts to grow back. I had only few successes in making a few of my freebies in Shanghai shave completely (both armpits and pussy). Not fetish but just IMHE.

Enjoy!
AG

[Old Mean Dog]

I don't speak the language, so I was wondering if any of you seniors (AG, SXE, Charge Red, Moody, etc...) could tell all the mommies to make their girls shave their armpits and legs (if needed). Not to be picky, but just my opinion :) , unless it goes against some kind of Chinese culture???


It is usually the common girl that you will find that does not shave her armpits, if needed. Agree with Santa that most girls only have a tiny amount of hair in the armpit area, so is not even visible. Yes, I also like a hairless or shaved kitten, but most gals think this is just "wrong" and majority feel as AG said, if they shave it, it will grow back thicker and heavier. As far as legs, I find that most girls naturally do not have hair on their legs.

I was having dinner with some people last week and one of the mainland wives of a HK guy had a shoulderless dress on and armpits so full of hair, I wanted to puke.

I teach all my gf's to shave the kitten, or daddy won't be eating any box lunches.

-SZE

[Ace Gallant]

It is usually the common girl that you will find that does not shave her armpits, if needed. Agree with Santa that most girls only have a tiny amount of hair in the armpit area, so is not even visible. Yes, I also like a hairless or shaved kitten, but most gals think this is just "wrong" and majority feel as AG said, if they shave it, it will grow back thicker and heavier. As far as legs, I find that most girls naturally do not have hair on their legs.

I was having dinner with some people last week and one of the mainland wives of a HK guy had a shoulderless dress on and armpits so full of hair, I wanted to puke.

I teach all my gf's to shave the kitten, or daddy won't be eating any box lunches.

-SZE

I have seen girls that are very hairy in China, in fact 50% of the girls I seen are like that.

I had successfully got most of my freebies in Shanghai to remove their hair (both Armpits and pussy) using a lotion I brought from Japan. I am not sure that is available in China. This method of removal, the hair will never grow back. This also eliminate the excuse of having a thicker bush when it grow back.

Anyone know if this type of lotion is available in China? I am running low on stock and may need till my next trip to Japan.

Enjoy!
AG

[Old Mean Dog]

I have seen girls that are very hairy in China, in fact 50% of the girls I seen are like that.

I had successfully got most of my freebies in Shanghai to remove their hair (both Armpits and pussy) using a lotion I brought from Japan. I am not sure that is available in China. This method of removal, the hair will never grow back. This also eliminate the excuse of having a thicker bush when it grow back.

Anyone know if this type of lotion is available in China? I am running low on stock and may need till my next trip to Japan.

Enjoy!
AG

AG,

Maybe I get lucky then, but the majority of gals I date or pop, naturally do not have hair on their legs. Now, I am partial to Chongqing and Sichuan girls so that may have something to do with it.

Nair, is an American hair removal cream that can be found in mosts Watsons Drug Stores.

-SZE

[Ace Gallant]

AG,

Maybe I get lucky then, but the majority of gals I date or pop, naturally do not have hair on their legs. Now, I am partial to Chongqing and Sichuan girls so that may have something to do with it.

Nair, is an American hair removal cream that can be found in mosts Watsons Drug Stores.

-SZE

SZ,

It is only true for my freebies, I have better luck on asking freebie to shave for me.May be is because paybies thinks we are just those guys who cum and go? :D I guess for freebies, they are looking for more long term relationship and thus more willing to do more for me?

Thanks SZ, I will try out "Nair" for next girl, not sure if it works like the Japanese brand because many of the other brands need several applications before all the hair can be totally removed.

Just for discussion, since we are on this topic; I had also found hairy girls much more horny that the rest. This is just my experience, I am not sure whether it is true for you guys. I had asked my General Doctor, he told me that it has something to do with the male homones.

Enjoy!
AG

[Bill Lee]

I have yet to see a hair removal cream in the US that does not have a warning to not use the cream in the pubic/genital area. That includes all the different types of Nair products.

Old joke: Why is pubic hair curly and not straight? So they don't poke you in the eye.

Bill



Nair, is an American hair removal cream that can be found in mosts Watsons Drug Stores.

-SZE

[Moody]

There is nothing is Chinese culture (as I know of) that says that the girls should not shave.

Yes there is. Bald pussy is considered bad luck. Girls who have naturally bald pussies have trouble finding husbands because the men think having sex with those girls will give them the bad luck. They even have a name for it, bai hu, white tiger.

[Old Mean Dog]

I have yet to see a hair removal cream in the US that does not have a warning to not use the cream in the pubic/genital area. That includes all the different types of Nair products.

Old joke: Why is pubic hair curly and not straight? So they don't poke you in the eye.

Bill

When I was younger and wanted to be a porn star (was a big dream) I rubbed some of this stuff on my balls and OMG, it burned so bad, I thought I was sitting on an open fire!

Actually, it's for bikini waxing and should not be applied directly to the vagina.....or balls.

-SZE

[Moody]

Thanks SZ, I will try out "Nair" for next girl, not sure if it works like the Japanese brand because many of the other brands need several applications before all the hair can be totally removed.

You better not put Nair on a girl's pussy. She'll be howling in pain if it touches a sensitive area. Been there.... don't dat....

EDIT: I didn't put it on MY sensitive area. Put it on a girl's sensitive area and she was bitching at me for a week after that.

[Albert Punter]

Hair removal, or not removal, in all different parts of body is regulated by many different reasons: social, cultural, religious, hygiene & health, sexual, etc. .

Hair removal from armpits and legs, then followed by “bikini waxing”, is a relatively new habit for women in Western Europe and North America: probably last 30/40 years. More recent is the habit of waxing or shaving completely pubic areas, even though it appears that waxing of the genital areas was common in many ancient cultures around the world.
In more recent years is becoming common also for men to wax or shave some areas of the body, other than face, including pubic area.

IMHE, in other areas, like Latin America or Asia, there is still some resistance to accept hair removal in women, for those various reasons said above.
I remember some posts in China forum stating that Chinese girls don’t like to shave around pussy, as in China a girl without pubic hair is believed a prostitute.

I do agree with you that girls’ armpits and legs should be smooth as silk.
Also, I prefer pussies at least trimmed if not shaved.

Now, I make a question to everybody who prefers shaved pussies: do you shave/trim your own pubic hair ?

“Par condicio” would demand such.
IMHE, girls do like/enjoy more oral performed on a shaved/trimmed man.
Exactly like we enjoy oral performed on a shaved/trimmed girl ;-)

[Ace Gallant]

Yes there is. Bald pussy is considered bad luck. Girls who have naturally bald pussies have trouble finding husbands because the men think having sex with those girls will give them the bad luck. They even have a name for it, bai hu, white tiger.

Actually Moody is right; sometime back we had this discussion before and I do believe I did said that the Chinese believe it is bad luck to fuck a girl that has hairless pussy. They are call 白虎 Bai2 Hu3 (as stated by Moody). The only male that will not get bad luck when fucking a 白虎 Bai2 Hu3 is a male that is hairless pubic area called 青龙 Qing1 Long2 (Green Dragon). A normal girl been fucked by a Green Dragon will get bad luck too!

However all the above applies to those born natural and will not grow pubic hair. Not when they have it removed. But if a Pros is taken by a customer and he saw her hairless pussy, he may think that she is a White Tiger.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

You better not put Nair on a girl's pussy. She'll be howling in pain if it touches a sensitive area. Been there.... don't dat....

EDIT: I didn't put it on MY sensitive area. Put it on a girl's sensitive area and she was bitching at me for a week after that.


When I was younger and wanted to be a porn star (was a big dream) I rubbed some of this stuff on my balls and OMG, it burned so bad, I thought I was sitting on an open fire!

Actually, it's for bikini waxing and should not be applied directly to the vagina.....or balls.

-SZE

The Japanese brand I used for my girls is not that bad. Although 1 or 2 of the girls did complained that they felt a little itchiness for the one hour that they have to leave it on, they did not complain about any burning or bad feeling beyond that.

May be I should consider imported that brand into China? Only problem is …its fucking expansive! 8000 JPY per tube!

Enjoy!
AG

[Old Mean Dog]

Now, I make a question to everybody who prefers shaved pussies: do you shave/trim your own pubic hair ?

“Par condicio” would demand such.
IMHE, girls do like/enjoy more oral performed on a shaved/trimmed man.
Exactly like we enjoy oral performed on a shaved/trimmed girl ;-)

Hell yeah I shave it! It makes my "Johnson" look bigger and believe me, I need all the help I can get!

Besides, it's hard enough to find a girl who will BBBJ, so if shaving my little friend helps me obtain some oral service, I'm doing it.

-Green Dragon
formally known as SZE

[Bill Lee]

When I was younger and wanted to be a porn star (was a big dream) I rubbed some of this stuff on my balls and OMG, it burned so bad, I thought I was sitting on an open fire!

Actually, it's for bikini waxing and should not be applied directly to the vagina.....or balls.

-SZE


You didn't pour hot wax over your balls? That I have to see. Damn, what Balls you have (had).

Bill

[Miao28]

When a concubine for the Chinese emperor was being prepared for him for the night, the concubine hair around her armpits and her pussy were shaved off by the eunuchs.

Having a concubine shaved off her pubic hair better prepared the Son of God from being pricked by bushy and prickly pubic hairs when he decides to dine at the Y.

Some women like to kiss a bushy man. Some women like their man to be clean shaven. The Son of God perhaps like to view the woods without the trees.

Having no hair is also more hygenic as all kinds of mites and lice and the like, like to feed on such a moist area as hair around the pubic region.

Chinese women also use a depilatory string to remove unsightly hair from the face and other areas around the body.

It was a wise choice that the Yellow Emperors preferred their concubines clean shaven.

[Dan Hawaii]

Yes there is. Bald pussy is considered bad luck. Girls who have naturally bald pussies have trouble finding husbands because the men think having sex with those girls will give them the bad luck. They even have a name for it, bai hu, white tiger.
Tell those girls to come to daddy, I'll make them lucky. :)

I don't mind some hair between their legs, just on their legs and under their arm, kind of a turn off. But if she's hot, I don't care if there is hair coming out of her ears and nostrils. Hahahaha.

[Dan Hawaii]

I have yet to see a hair removal cream in the US that does not have a warning to not use the cream in the pubic/genital area. That includes all the different types of Nair products.

Old joke: Why is pubic hair curly and not straight? So they don't poke you in the eye.

Bill
Isn't it like acid, where it melts the hair away? That's why SZE was "cooking his chessnuts over an open fire".

AG's lotion from Japan is like a growth inhibitor? Maybe different? Sounds like an awesome product.

[Old Mean Dog]

Tell those girls to come to daddy, I'll make them lucky. :)

I don't mind some hair between their legs, just on their legs and under their arm, kind of a turn off. But if she's hot, I don't care if there is hair coming out of her ears and nostrils. Hahahaha.


If she has hair on her legs and coming out her nostrils and ears, I doubt anyone would call her hot!

-SZE

[Santa]

If she has hair on her legs and coming out her nostrils and ears, I doubt anyone would call her hot!

-SZE

Maybe Caveman Dave would think she is hot?

There was a man called Dave,
Who kept his girl in a cave.
He said "I know I'm a shit, that I admit,
But Look at the money I save.

[Ace Gallant]

AG's lotion from Japan is like a growth inhibitor? Maybe different? Sounds like an awesome product.

Can't remember the brand but it comes in a tube form. I have a tube back in Shanghai. It is definitely not Acid!

Enjoy!
AG

[Zhuren]

.

Hair removal from armpits and legs, then followed by “bikini waxing”, is a relatively new habit for women in Western Europe and North America: probably last 30/40 years. More recent is the habit of waxing or shaving completely pubic areas

Believe me, the hairy armpit and the big bush is still very much en vogue in many parts of Europe, although waxing is making big inroads.



I remember some posts in China forum stating that Chinese girls don’t like to shave around pussy, as in China a girl without pubic hair is believed a prostitute.


That also is changing quite quickly. I recall a few years ago, even a WG said, when questioned about her bush: "Me good girl!" However, there are several salons in Beijing now that offer full Brazilians.

IMHO, Chinese girls are in more dire need of trimming, because their hair tends to be straight, instead of curly.

[Dan Hawaii]

IMHO, Chinese girls are in more dire need of trimming, because their hair tends to be straight, instead of curly.
So them hairs are poking you in the eye when you DATY :) Need to wear protective specticals then. hahaha

[Dan Hawaii]

If she has hair on her legs and coming out her nostrils and ears, I doubt anyone would call her hot!

-SZE
:) Funny!

I agree with you, I was just taking it to the extreme :)

[Santa]

I also enjoy reading the totally useless crap. But we need to steer the chit-chat, bullshit, dumb questions and useless knowledge to this thread.

Continued From the Dongguan Thread.

Are chinese men and women racist? Of course! We all are. We all have our racial preferences and dislikes.

Some of us prefer western girls and others prefer eastern girls.

Some girls like or dislike european guys, african guys or asian guys. Some girls prefer tall guys, short guys, young guys, fat guys or thin guys, etc. These preferences and dislikes are caused by previous learning experiences. These experiences can be very personal and/or culturally induced.

[Old Mean Dog]

I also enjoy reading the totally useless crap. But we need to steer the chit-chat, bullshit, dumb questions and useless knowledge to this thread.

Continued From the Dongguan Thread.

Are chinese men and women racist? Of course! We all are. We all have our racial preferences and dislikes.

Some of us prefer western girls and others prefer eastern girls.

Some girls like or dislike european guys, african guys or asian guys. Some girls prefer tall guys, short guys, young guys, fat guys or thin guys, etc. These preferences and dislikes are caused by previous learning experiences. These experiences can be very personal and/or culturally induced.

Santa,

Considering that alot of the chatter is generally about Dongguan, in particular Chang Ping, I am not so sure it belongs in this thread either.

Only a few of us live here and not a whole bunch of mongers come to DG on a regular basis, that are on ISG, so don't you think the thread would become a little boring?

Maybe Jackson can start a "Useless Crap" section for Dongguan?

-SZE

[Mock A Bee]

Santa,

Considering that alot of the chatter is generally about Dongguan, in particular Chang Ping, I am not so sure it belongs in this thread either.

Only a few of us live here and not a whole bunch of mongers come to DG on a regular basis, that are on ISG, so don't you think the thread would become a little boring?

Maybe Jackson can start a "Useless Crap" section for Dongguan?

-SZE

Actually, I think there is a lot more useless crap on the board than just the Dongguan thread.

MAB

[Fast Eddie 48]

Actually, I think there is a lot more useless crap on the board than just the Dongguan thread.

MABTo Mab / Szepaxt,

I think isg have just too many useless member like santa blah blah blah all the time in their hand with useless report without any useful informations.

Fast eddie 48

[Santa]

Discussions often develop in the city threads that do not belong there. Visas, money, air tickets, where to buy cheese or large shoes, he said she said, which are the best condoms, why don't chinese girls shave, do they dislike westerners, and so on.

I have nothing against these posts and enjoy reading them, but I think we need to "steer" them into the Opinions, General Info and Living in China threads.

[Old Mean Dog]

discussions often develop in the city threads that do not belong there. visas, money, air tickets, where to buy cheese or large shoes, he said she said, which are the best condoms, why don't chinese girls shave, do they dislike westerners, and so on.

i have nothing against these posts and enjoy reading them, but i think we need to "steer" them into the opinions, general info and living in china threads.

great idea, but that does not answer the question of what the hell us are we gonna talk about in a city specific thread like dg that has not already been posted? i am sure many guys don't want to hear about who i had dinner with and who i banged every night.

if the context of the post is directed for that specific area, i have no problem with it myself (i.e. how to get to cp, best hotel for...etc.). i also remember reading on this website, you can challenge a post as well. after all, should we let guys like owl say the foreigners [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) the chinese girls without some response?

my pov
sze

p.s. your post (#4923) in the shenzhen thread belongs where exactly? :confused: just give you a hard time my friend.

[Santa]

Szexpat, I understand why you like a busy Dongguan thread. You are living there and you like meeting friends and having a social life, and this forum helps.

I also really don't care who posts what and where, I was just giving my opinion.

Fast Eddie. My apologies if I have over-reacted. I took your post as a flame, but maybe that was not your intention.

[Mock A Bee]

To Mab / Szepaxt,

I think isg have just too many useless member like santa blah blah blah all the time in their hand with useless report without any useful informations.

Fast eddie 48Fast Eddie 48,

I think you are a bit too fast to draw your conclusion. Just like email, the forum can be mis-interpreted quite easily. Nuance is lost and a lot of meaning is left out of communication.

I simply wanted to make a statement of clarification regarding a request by SZexpat to start an independent thread to separate the chatter. As such, I only wanted to point out that Dongguan is not the only thread with chatter.

I did not intend to point out members with chatter, however you obviously took the opportunity to capitalize on my statement.

It was only a statement of fact, not flame.

Obviously my little statement got you started, you too the liberty to speak out because you thought my statement was parallel to your thinking and you got yourself into a flame war.

Actually Santa has a lot of good info as a contributor.

IMHO, MAB

[OldAsiaHand]

Gentlemen,

Actually, Jackson made a comment about irrelavent chit chat one time. I cannot remember exactly what he called it; "cross something or another" and suggested that it be done via PM not on the open forum. Requesting to hook-up with another member was one offense if I remember correctly. This is why he set up the Travel Plans & Announcements thread.

Sometimes, posts on inappropriate threads gets out of hand for continuity sake. One irrelavent post goes up and everybody jumps in on the same thread adding insult to injury.

Obviously, the racism issue among Chinese women belongs on this thread and is not useless IMHO. It is spot on the purpose of the forum as it directly relates to "Men meeting women for sex". In the P4P arena, I reckon it is more related to fear and misconception, than pure racism. Some local punters don't make it any better by looking down on the pros that do foreigners.

I don't mind a few humorous posts to lighten up the board. I do not necessarily like to read "Penthouse Forum" type posts with extensive detail of each session but I do like to know which girls give good service and which to avoid. Flaming wars are a complete waste of bandwith. Most important for me is where to find the best pussy and the prices. How to get there, where to stay, etc. is also worthwhile secondary information for this pursuit.

Just my POV.

OAH

P.S. Where's the pussy at?

[Santa]

I think one of his rules is that he doesn't want the forum to be used as a "chatroom", which is exactly what happens.

Builder Bob complained about the Dongguan thread being full of pages of useless blah, blah, blah. OAH made a similar complaint. I agree with them, but also know I am one of the guilty members.

If somebody goes to a new town and looks for info on the board, he doesn't want to read through endless pages of useless conversations between members. But if the chitchat and foolish arguments are steered into this thread then I don't see a problem, we can chat away, regardless of how insipid and irrelevant our posts may be.

Consequently, I said we need to "steer" the chitchat into the appropriate threads. I don't want to be critical of anybody or call for censorship.

PS. To avoid a flame war I deleted my earlier criticism of Fast Eddie. Bill Lee told me he is a cool guy.

[Ace Gallant]

Gentlemen,

Actually, Jackson made a comment about irrelavent chit chat one time. I cannot remember exactly what he called it; "cross something or another" and suggested that it be done via PM not on the open forum.

Cross Talk.

The No Cross talk rule.

It is operating in some Philiippines Threads right now.

Enjoy!
AG

BTW: I used to be able to delete and edit my own posts within 30 days after posting but it seems that now there is a 24 hour limit. So I cannot delete some of my own post if I found that it is useless and had crossed the 24 hours limit.

So; this post will self destruct in within 24 hours?

[Moody]

I don't mind the mindless chatter. I also don't really see the point of giving individual girls' names with ratings and stuff. How many of us have read about some guy's exploit with a particular girl and actually went and got that girl? I can remember only one instance when someone actually asked me to recommend someone and they actually took her. Without some mindless chatter and chatroom talk, stuff gets boring really fast. I would think this is especially true for anybody who knows a particular area really well. I mean come on, in Shenzhen, how many times are we gonna write about the BBS behind the Seibu? And how many times are we gonna answer the question, "where is it?" In CP, how many times are we gonna write about Yalan area or the area behind the Hui Mei or the bread trucks with chicks? All the regulars know all about these places. After a certain point, it gets mind numbingly repetitive.

[ManonsanBoy]

There is always a balance. As long as there is enough information, a little banter is good. Reading only who stuck what into what pussy for how much only goes so far.

[Oyenk]

Gentlemen...

This sunday is Chinese Valentine Day...

so do not forget to say "happy chinese valentine day" to your GF maybe hehehe, just found out this afternoon when I chatted with a sweet mainland girl.

better late than never.

cheers.

[Ace Gallant]

Gentlemen...

This sunday is Chinese Valentine Day...

so do not forget to say "happy chinese valentine day" to your GF maybe hehehe, just found out this afternoon when I chatted with a sweet mainland girl.

better late than never.

cheers.

Oyenk,

Thanks but;

Unfortunately, Sunday is over here in China. It's Monday morning 0250 Beijing Time.

I had a wonderful Valentine Day with my new GF in CP on Sunday!

Enjoy!
AG

[Oyenk]

I had a wonderful Valentine Day with my new GF in CP on Sunday!

Enjoy!
AG
ouw...what a wonderful day you spent with her bro..

so Happy Chinese Valentine Day for all pretty girls out there...

cheers.

[Clandestine782]

What has the experience that you guys have had with this?

Do Chinese people swing? And if so, is there some special vocabulary associated with it? Where do Chinese swingers go to meet.

Since marrying my wife (a Chinese girl), it seems that my pussy addiction has gotten even WORSE. It seems like there are moist, young opportunities *everywhere,* all the more tempting and notable.

I'm toying with two choices:

1. Tell my wife that I want to sample other vagina, and agree that we be both honest AND private about it (and that I am still committed to her).
2. Not saying anything and seeing if a tacit agreement between the two of us comes of this.

Of course, I could just not enjoy the moist regions of others at all-- but I fear something bad would come of all the energy that it took to subdue my feelings.

[WinteRain]

What has the experience that you guys have had with this?

Do Chinese people swing? And if so, is there some special vocabulary associated with it? Where do Chinese swingers go to meet.

Since marrying my wife (a Chinese girl), it seems that my pussy addiction has gotten even WORSE. It seems like there are moist, young opportunities *everywhere,* all the more tempting and notable.

I'm toying with two choices:

1. Tell my wife that I want to sample other vagina, and agree that we be both honest AND private about it (and that I am still committed to her).
2. Not saying anything and seeing if a tacit agreement between the two of us comes of this.

Of course, I could just not enjoy the moist regions of others at all-- but I fear something bad would come of all the energy that it took to subdue my feelings.Things like this make me question why you married your wife in the first place?

[Meiguoguizi]

It has been my observation (also married to a Chinese) that marriage is seen as more utilitarian and socially responsible among Chinese couples, as opposed to romantic and personal in its current Western disfunctionality.

As a result, Chinese women are more likely to 'turn a blind eye' to occasional discreet adventures, if they perceive them as not a threat to the marriage.

This is not to say that you would receive direct or tacit acknowledgment or approval, because that would involve a substantial loss of face.

Additionally, as you may have observed, society in China tolerates long separations between husbands and wives, for business or other interests. Infidelity that accompanies sustained separation, again as long as it is not institutionalized, as in an 'Er Nai', is not considered a marriage breaker.

I've often wondered, observing entire Chinese families enjoying a sauna, how often 'Dad' is allowed to head upstairs to the full-service floor without 'Mom' saying a word.


What has the experience that you guys have had with this?

Do Chinese people swing? And if so, is there some special vocabulary associated with it? Where do Chinese swingers go to meet.

Since marrying my wife (a Chinese girl), it seems that my pussy addiction has gotten even WORSE. It seems like there are moist, young opportunities *everywhere,* all the more tempting and notable.

I'm toying with two choices:

1. Tell my wife that I want to sample other vagina, and agree that we be both honest AND private about it (and that I am still committed to her).
2. Not saying anything and seeing if a tacit agreement between the two of us comes of this.

Of course, I could just not enjoy the moist regions of others at all-- but I fear something bad would come of all the energy that it took to subdue my feelings.

[Vilberto]

Things like this make me question why you married your wife in the first place?Come on, guys always mistake their lust as love and overestimate their partner's lust. Especially here in China where the ISG community is reporting new experiences and great chances everywhere. How can a man not be moved by this orient temptation?

Anyway, Clandestine, your wife would disagree / cry / be furious because by swinging, you have destroyed her face.

As for the question, does chinese swings? I recalled having read several articles on swinging in asiansexgazette.com

Now, you would have to read all the way back cause I think the last article about Chinese couples swinging in GZ is about 1/2 year back.

[OldAsiaHand]

Clandestine,

IMHO, and experience, most Chinese wives are just as jealous as their western counterparts. Divorce is on the rise in China for that reason. Modern Chinese women are becoming much less tolerant. "Times they are a changing".

Just my POV.

OAH


What has the experience that you guys have had with this?

Do Chinese people swing? And if so, is there some special vocabulary associated with it? Where do Chinese swingers go to meet.

Since marrying my wife (a Chinese girl), it seems that my pussy addiction has gotten even WORSE. It seems like there are moist, young opportunities *everywhere,* all the more tempting and notable.

I'm toying with two choices:

1. Tell my wife that I want to sample other vagina, and agree that we be both honest AND private about it (and that I am still committed to her).
2. Not saying anything and seeing if a tacit agreement between the two of us comes of this.

Of course, I could just not enjoy the moist regions of others at all-- but I fear something bad would come of all the energy that it took to subdue my feelings.

[Clean Gene]

Notice how many Chinese government workers are being investigated for corruption when their wives fink. The wives can be so jealous that they spite their face. And notice the numerous Chinese wives with kid(s) living in the bay area while their husbands continue working in China.
A Chinese wife can be an invaluable assistant...and a demon from Hell.
I try not to tell an untruth to my Chinese wife. But I do not have to tell all. The old adage is "Never confirm, never deny."

CG

[Clandestine782]

As for the first question (=WinteRain): Getting married does not mean that I suddenly become unaware of all the moist, pulsating orifices around me waiting to be explored. China must have the largest supply of good looking women on the planet, and it would be a waste to be with only one person. If I take her back to the United States, it would be much easier to be faithful to her since there are so many fat, ugly women around.

[Tile Man4]

First of all , I think that Clandestine maybe has marriage remorse. I don't doubt his love for his wife and there is nothing wrong with thinking variety. But variety and marriage don't mix. We men always seem to get caught.

I have been single for 20 years and was married for 17 years. I also thought about asking my wife for an "open marriage" several years after we were married. I am happy that I never did ask this Irish Catholic woman this question. It never would have happen. I too had marriage remorse soon after I was married. I loved my wife the same way that I am sure Clandestine loves his wife, but I wanted variety.

I did see a study from a Beijing sexologist who studied 17 provinces ( maybe 500,000) people. This is enough data to convince me that the answers and questions to these people are accurate. The study said that 86% of Chinese women don't think there is anything wrong with an extra-martial affair.

I wish the Chinese Doctor also ask the same 86% if they them self would have an affair. I guess that more than half (or more) of these Chinese women would say no to an extra-martial affair . Its that same as the abortion issue in the USA. 80 - 90% of women think a woman should have the "right to choose" , but more than half these women would never have an abortion them self. Why they approve of something , then fall into a gray area for them self, I just don't know.

Chinese culture is like a religion and many Chinese still believe in the 5000 year old concubine system. I am not Chinese and I believe in the concubine system. I am a monger and I do get bored with one women. It blows my mind that women will still believe and accept this culture. Men , I understand , women , I just don't get it.

That Chinese proverb taught to all Chinese woman... "keep one eye open and one eye closed". Simple meaning of this proverb.......... Keep your mouth shut if the hubby gets home at 2:00 AM with lipstick on his collar.

Chinese women have a great fear for divorce. There is little protection and support for them after the divorce. Many Chinese women will keep both eyes closed rather than divorce , especially the ones who are so dependent on the man. But , OAH is right , many Chinese women are starting to have both eyes open now. They are getting more independent.

So Clandestine , think twice before asking your wife for an open marriage. If she says no , then she knows that you want to play outside the home. You have a good idea Clandestine , come home to the country of the fat asses and you will be forced to be a good boy.

Good luck Clandesine to you and your wife. Be safe

Tile Man

[Santa]

Men , I understand , women , I just don't get it.

Tile Man

There are two theories regarding the behaviour of women. Both of them are wrong!

[Tile Man4]

There are two theories regarding the behaviour of women. Both of them are wrong!

The behaviour of BOTH men and women can be very complicated , this is true Santa. Many times I don't even understand the things I do and why.

Be safe and take care

tile man

[Dan Hawaii]

What they don't know can't hurt them. Don't ask for it, or you are going to get a wolrd of hurt. Just sneak around and make up excuses. But remember, trust is hard to build, but it is fast to break. You have to ask yourself, "is it worth it?"

[Albert Punter]

After reading a report, I remember sometimes I asked to another member details of that particular girl I read about and I met her.
Also, many times I have been asked by other members to supply contact details of a girl I had reported about.

Considering current debate in another China thread about fear performance may not correspond to price paid, I believe this is one of the purpose of the forum: to provide satisfactory "dates" to mongers, enjoying girls already experimented by others.



...
I also don't really see the point of giving individual girls' names with ratings and stuff. How many of us have read about some guy's exploit with a particular girl and actually went and got that girl?

[Albert Punter]

I wouldn't tell her anything.
Otherwise she won't be happy at all with you and you will always be seen as an unfaithful husband (even for time before you made question).

If you like to play, make it discretely and try to ensure she never knows: "When eyes don't see, heart don't feel pain".


As for the first question (=WinteRain): Getting married does not mean that I suddenly become unaware of all the moist, pulsating orifices around me waiting to be explored. China must have the largest supply of good looking women on the planet, and it would be a waste to be with only one person. If I take her back to the United States, it would be much easier to be faithful to her since there are so many fat, ugly women around.

[Zhuren]

Chinese culture is like a religion and many Chinese still believe in the 5000 year old concubine system. I am not Chinese and I believe in the concubine system. I am a monger and I do get bored with one women. It blows my mind that women will still believe and accept this culture. Men , I understand , women , I just don't get it.

My wife (Japanese) put it that way:

"Women will never understand why men need many women.

Men will never understand why women need many handbags."

[Albert Punter]

Allow me to use your wife's quote (in reverse) in the "hopefully-not-occurring" case my wife discovers I need variety.


My wife (Japanese) put it that way:

"Women will never understand why men need many women.

Men will never understand why women need many handbags."

[Zhuren]

Allow me to use your wife's quote (in reverse) in the "hopefully-not-occurring" case my wife discovers I need variety.

Permission granted.

I also recommend a Japanese wife ...

[Clandestine782]

I have a good looking girl that lives with me (and one that I am working on getting as a side dish).

There is a problem in both cases. I know that guys are not usually supposed to be worried about things like this, but my girl wears some clothes that are FUCKED UP. She has (in my opinion) a nice body, and I'd like her to wear some things that are flattering to her shape. Today she had on some shit that made her look like a wedding cake. If we were back in America and I was talking to a black woman, I'd say something like (insert black American accent): "Baby, if you gon' go somewhere with me, you got to take that shit off!" But maybe Chinese girls need to be handled a little more gently. What do you think is a good Chinese expression for this? I was thinking about taking her shopping (which is also a form of foreplay) in China and then throwing away some of the ugly, frilly shit that she has around here. Might that be a good strategy? (I know that verbal subterfuge is common in almost all of Asia.)

Then, the girl that I am looking for as a fuck friend has a really tight body. But her teeth are so fucked up, they look like she has been eating mayonnaise and coffee grounds for lunch. I had one girl with bad breath before, and I bought her a toothbrush before I nailed her. (It didn't help with the breath problem.) What is a *subtle* way in CHinese to break this to her?

[Neuromancer]

I have a good looking girl that lives with me (and one that I am working on getting as a side dish).

There is a problem in both cases. I know that guys are not usually supposed to be worried about things like this, but my girl wears some clothes that are FUCKED UP. She has (in my opinion) a nice body, and I'd like her to wear some things that are flattering to her shape. Today she had on some shit that made her look like a wedding cake. If we were back in America and I was talking to a black woman, I'd say something like (insert black American accent): "Baby, if you gon' go somewhere with me, you got to take that shit off!" But maybe Chinese girls need to be handled a little more gently. What do you think is a good Chinese expression for this? I was thinking about taking her shopping (which is also a form of foreplay) in China and then throwing away some of the ugly, frilly shit that she has around here. Might that be a good strategy? (I know that verbal subterfuge is common in almost all of Asia.)

Then, the girl that I am looking for as a fuck friend has a really tight body. But her teeth are so fucked up, they look like she has been eating mayonnaise and coffee grounds for lunch. I had one girl with bad breath before, and I bought her a toothbrush before I nailed her. (It didn't help with the breath problem.) What is a *subtle* way in CHinese to break this to her?Well, IMO, I think that Chinese women want to look more frumpy after getting married. No idea if this is true or not, but I guess that it's somehow related to showing respect for her husband. Don't want to speak for all Chinese out there, but I think that you generally don't want to show off in public. It attracts unwanted attention.

Regarding bad breath, probably has to do with diet. We eat lots of garlic and really love it. In the end, I think the best way to deal with it is to learn to live with it. It actually bothers me less than smelling some random stranger with some really stinky atss perfume which makes me wanna puke all over him/her. At least if you're smelling the bad breath you're well on your way to getting laid. Stinky atss perfume is just an affront to random bystanders.

Regarding the bad teeth, you could always find her a good dentist and buy her braces. I'm sure she'll be very appreciative.

[Tile Man4]

I have a good looking girl that lives with me (and one that I am working on getting as a side dish).

There is a problem in both cases. I know that guys are not usually supposed to be worried about things like this, but my girl wears some clothes that are FUCKED UP. She has (in my opinion) a nice body, and I'd like her to wear some things that are flattering to her shape. Today she had on some shit that made her look like a wedding cake. If we were back in America and I was talking to a black woman, I'd say something like (insert black American accent): "Baby, if you gon' go somewhere with me, you got to take that shit off!" But maybe Chinese girls need to be handled a little more gently. What do you think is a good Chinese expression for this? I was thinking about taking her shopping (which is also a form of foreplay) in China and then throwing away some of the ugly, frilly shit that she has around here. Might that be a good strategy? (I know that verbal subterfuge is common in almost all of Asia.)

Then, the girl that I am looking for as a fuck friend has a really tight body. But her teeth are so fucked up, they look like she has been eating mayonnaise and coffee grounds for lunch. I had one girl with bad breath before, and I bought her a toothbrush before I nailed her. (It didn't help with the breath problem.) What is a *subtle* way in CHinese to break this to her?

Clandestine , nothing wrong with wanting your live-in to look and dress hot. Go for the foreplay and spend some money on her if you feel she is worth it. My ex Chinese GF wanted to dress me the way she wanted me to look. Its a control thing with most women. We men just like our women to look hot and have other men drool over them.

I should not try to read between your lines and think that your live-in is getting complacent like USA women. Once they move in and or marry them , they get complacent , fat ass and let them self go. Don't let this happen.

If I know Chinese women like I think I know them , she will love you more if you make her look sexy. The only problem that I see here is my love word. This could be your big problem. Once she loves you , they are hard to get rid of. I think I read in one of your other post that you are married, so if this is your wife then absolutely clean her up and don't let that USA women type complacency set in her.

Since I have a teeth , lips and leg fetish I would dump #2 , but you don't need to here my selfish opinion and fetishes. And sure I like a tight T&A like most men. Shit Clandestine , beautiful Chinese women with nice everything are a dime a dozen where you are , and I am sure you don't want to bring home some nasty mouth disease to mama. Maybe some other guys can give you some advise.

Good luck my man and stay safe.

tile man

[Albert Punter]

Girl #1

Why are you concerned she looks a "wedding cake" ?
As she doesn't look hot, nobody will get interested in her and f**k her.
Out of joke, I believe a good way to solve the situation would be to do some shopping together and suggest clothes you like.

Girl #2

How can you be interested in a girl who has got "teeth so fucked up, they look like she has been eating mayonnaise and coffee grounds for lunch" ?
Agree with TileMan4, dump her. There are so many out there with nice teeth that I am sure you can find good replacement.

[Clean Gene]

clandestine,
i feel strongly about grungy teeth. some years ago, i was detained in an unfriendly location and the diet was causing me gum deterioration. (and i remembered also stories of life in japanese prison camps in indonesia during wwii, where women suffered gum deterioration as well as loss of periods from the stress...not necessarily diet because they still had items to trade for food.) i calmed my mind with meditation and prayer; and i made tools out of wood and soft iron to scrape the roots of my teeth. (soft iron won't damage the tooth even with moderately vigorous scraping.) and i saved all but three of my teeth. i did have extensive dental work as well as bone grafts after i got back to the states.

so i have a soft spot for girls with teeth and gum problems. i often keep a supply of inexpensive tools (available at drug store suppliers) to scape the teeth, as well as "water picks" into which antibiotics or listerine may be added. this and some 1000 mg vitamin-mineral tabs usually does the job. there are a couple of times when i have sprung for a periodontist bill for a girl i liked. (the girl has to be of more service to me than simply sex.) consideration has rewarded me perhaps 30% of the time.
cg

[Clandestine782]

i have a partner that has great potential, but i am not sure how to bring it out of her.

we live together, and she doesn't mind to have sex whenever i ask, but there are some interesting things:

1. she never asks directly for sex. she'll drop hints (like shutting the patio door). this afternoon, she decided that she had to take a nap and all of a sudden peeled off her clothes down to the underwear and got into bed next to me and grabbed me. but the pretext was "i need a nap." it was not done in a playful way-- but matter of fact-ly.

2. a lot of chinese girls won't let you lick their snatch, but she will. but when i try to turn it into a game of "bingo," she won't tell me where feels better or what types of stokes feel better. (you'll notice that some girls like lighter strokes on the clitoris and others like heavier. and then, there are still others that like more of the action from nearer the urethra moving up toward the clitoris.)

3. when we get started, there is no vaginal moisture. but touching in certain places gets the juices flowing quite a bit-- and that is a good sign, but when i try to conclusively know which parts are better, her response (in chinese is) "they're all ok."

4. no feedback about positions preferences. i am only guessing that cowgirl is what she likes the best from sounds/ breathing.

5. we talked about the possibility of having an open relationship, and she basically gave me free license to do what i wanted to. not many girls are like this. she may be open to swinging or something like that.

6. there may have been an orgasm today, but i don't know because of lack of feedback. one thing that you'll notice is that when women pop, they'll get very sleepy-- and sometimes stay asleep after sex for a good long while. (this has been an experience with several girlfriends.) today, there was a nap of several hours after the initiated (by her, in her roundabout way) sexual encounter. but i couldn't get either confirmation of or denial of an orgasm.

what is the deal with this active refusal of any feedback? and is this common with chinese girls? is there something that i'm missing? she was a virgin before we got together.

[Night Cat]

I'd be interested to know if anyone has had any Chinese girlfriends who really are good cooks (I mean you've tasted their cooking on several occasions and liked it). I find it puzzling how rare it is that (1) a girl can cook well, and (2) she comes up with the idea on her own to cook for the guy.
I posted the above in General Info and got no comments from anyone. I'm curious to hear from other guys, in your experience, is it rare to find such girls?

[Old Mean Dog]

I posted the above in General Info and got no comments from anyone. I'm curious to hear from other guys, in your experience, is it rare to find such girls?

It is so cheap to eat out at restaurants in China, majority of the pretty girls prefer this rather than "slave over a hot stove". My old maid could cook up a storm and clean my apartment like nobody's business.

-CPE

[Nobody Doe]

Additionally, as you may have observed, society in China tolerates long separations between husbands and wives, for business or other interests. Infidelity that accompanies sustained separation, again as long as it is not institutionalized, as in an 'Er Nai', is not considered a marriage breaker.
Hi Meiguoguize (is it "American Story" in Chinese? :) and all,

I have a related question regarding to "long separations between husbands and wives". I am from Taiwan and for business reasons I have been relocated from Taiwan to Beijing for almost 2 years. My wife also has been accompanying with me in Beijing in the past 2 years. She still doesn't like the life in Beijing, and from time to time occasionally, she talked about how she like the life in Taiwan, how she wanted to go back to Taiwan to find a job to make some money, and I can keep working in Beijing. In the past 2 years I always shut her down that idea.

Recently my wife went back to Taiwan for some urgent family issues for one month, and I started to mongering during that month, which is the first time ever after our 4 year marriage.

Now I am also taking a 3-week home vacation back to Taiwan to meet my wife. At the first few days of my home vacation in Taiwan (which was last Monday), she was talking about she wanted to stay in Taiwan to work. I almost responded her "Okay", but I was worried that if I accepted that so easily, she might think about other things. So I didn't give a clear answer.

Then after one week later, which was yesterday, I was trying to mention about the idea of her staying in Taiwan, then she was not happy, asking if I have affairs, etc. I said to her "it was you proposing that idea last week, and you were always not very happy in Beijing", but she didn't even admit she said that last week! So I stopped that topic. Her younger sister (who's also married) was living very close to our place in Taipei, and she even told her sister I was asking her to stay in Taiwan. What the hell.

So my question is: how I would resume our conversation of her "wish" to stay in Taiwan, and really make her to do so? In the past 2 years my attitude was always trying to keep her in Beijing with me, so I guess my change of attitude somehow made her scare.

My wife doesn't have a job in Beijing, and her Taiwan professional (medical examination) is very difficult to practice in mainland China. She has a few friends in Beijing, but none of them are as close as her friends in Taiwan. She always complained about how bored she was in Beijing, waiting me back home, how unfriendly the Beijing mainland Chinese are, how unworthy that she gave up her job in Taiwan, etc. So I guess it's possible she does want to stay in Taiwan to get a job, but I speculate while she's considering to stay in Taiwan, she's still worrying about if I would have affairs in Beijing.

Your great advice will be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Taiwan Guy

[Night Cat]

It is so cheap to eat out at restaurants in China, majority of the pretty girls prefer this rather than "slave over a hot stove". My old maid could cook up a storm and clean my apartment like nobody's business.

-CPEDue to lack of response from anyone who has had a different experience, I will assume that others have found the same thing, that Chinese girls don't cook.

Perhaps I'm a little too traditional. Back in the old days, it was considered normal for a girl to be able to cook. Also, some of them actually enjoyed cooking. There's an old saying, "the way to a man's heart is through his stomach." Not that one should live by a cliche, but there's a valuable sentiment in there. At least, it's something I would appreciate. I'd like to think that a relationship is about more than just jumping into bed together, and cooking is one of many ways that one or both partners can add something enjoyable to it. I admit that I can't cook, but, again, back in the old days, it was fairly normal for the kitchen to be the woman's domain. I'm not saying they should cook every day, but if they don't do it at all, it just feels like something's missing. I'm perfectly happy to contribute in other ways, like, if we go out to eat, I provide the car, drive it, pay for the meal, etc.

I just think it's sad if women no longer enjoy cooking as a creative activity and a way to contribute to a relationship. Perhaps I'm too old-fashioned.

[Chibi Asian]

Due to lack of response from anyone who has had a different experience, I will assume that others have found the same thing, that Chinese girls don't cook.

Perhaps I'm a little too traditional. Back in the old days, it was considered normal for a girl to be able to cook. Also, some of them actually enjoyed cooking. There's an old saying, "the way to a man's heart is through his stomach." Not that one should live by a cliche, but there's a valuable sentiment in there. At least, it's something I would appreciate. I'd like to think that a relationship is about more than just jumping into bed together, and cooking is one of many ways that one or both partners can add something enjoyable to it. I admit that I can't cook, but, again, back in the old days, it was fairly normal for the kitchen to be the woman's domain. I'm not saying they should cook every day, but if they don't do it at all, it just feels like something's missing. I'm perfectly happy to contribute in other ways, like, if we go out to eat, I provide the car, drive it, pay for the meal, etc.

I just think it's sad if women no longer enjoy cooking as a creative activity and a way to contribute to a relationship. Perhaps I'm too old-fashioned.I don't think you're old fashioned. In fact, I agree with you. I'm a guy in my early 20s, and due to the fact that I've become accustomed to living overseas alone, I've picked up cooking a few yrs ago. In fact, I love cooking when it comes to a relationship.

You're right about it being an activity that a couple can enjoy together. A few of my best memories are meals eaten together, after cooking it together. It brings a relationship a lot closer, I think. When compared to just eating out all the time, or take aways all the time.

Don't know whether it's a good thing or not, but apparantly I could cook a lot better than my ex could, so when it came to dinners, it's always me fixing things up, and she's the one doing the cleaning up.

But now I'm single, I cbf-ed to cook, and always eat out. KFCs and McDonalds are my staple food right now.

[Tile Man4]

Due to lack of response from anyone who has had a different experience, I will assume that others have found the same thing, that Chinese girls don't cook.

Perhaps I'm a little too traditional. Back in the old days, it was considered normal for a girl to be able to cook. Also, some of them actually enjoyed cooking. There's an old saying, "the way to a man's heart is through his stomach." Not that one should live by a cliche, but there's a valuable sentiment in there. At least, it's something I would appreciate. I'd like to think that a relationship is about more than just jumping into bed together, and cooking is one of many ways that one or both partners can add something enjoyable to it. I admit that I can't cook, but, again, back in the old days, it was fairly normal for the kitchen to be the woman's domain. I'm not saying they should cook every day, but if they don't do it at all, it just feels like something's missing. I'm perfectly happy to contribute in other ways, like, if we go out to eat, I provide the car, drive it, pay for the meal, etc.

I just think it's sad if women no longer enjoy cooking as a creative activity and a way to contribute to a relationship. Perhaps I'm too old-fashioned.

Night Cat , my Chinese woman ( 43 ) has a daughter and must cook. She cooks 10 times better than she cooks me in bed ( sex ) and 20 times better than giving head.

Most of the women we all meet here on ISG are young. Its all depends on what you want but most Chinese women ( older ones ) are good cooks. If you find a real young one that you really like her , then send her to English school and cooking school . And you teach her the good sex. You will then have a perfect 10.

Good luck and stay safe

tile man

[Csun213]

I have worked and lived in Taipei for 10 years and have a lot of Taiwan friends who works in China. They have a lot of wives who goes with them to China because they are worried that their husbands will fool around if left alone. Most of the time, the wife will come back to Taiwan because they get bored. After a time, the wife will usually go back and forth between Taiwan and China.

My advice to you is to ask your wife to come back to China with you. This way she will not think that you have something on the side. Then after a time, she will get bored and finally return to Taiwan to work. You will then go back to Taiwan whenever you have time to see her. You will of course have a girl friend about a week after she decided to move back to Taiwan. You, lucky guy will have the best of both world.

Do not ask her to stay in Taiwan, this is very important. If you do then she will stay with you in China thinking that you have a girl friend there. Just support her in her decision (not much you can do about it anyway), she will move back because it is just too different a life style in China vs Taiwan.

Wait and the good life will come to you.

[Meiguoguizi]

Island Gentlemen, if you are seeking marital advice on the InternationalSexGuide, your independent status is just a matter of time.


I have worked and lived in Taipei for 10 years and have a lot of Taiwan friends who works in China. They have a lot of wives who goes with them to China because they are worried that their husbands will fool around if left alone. Most of the time, the wife will come back to Taiwan because they get bored. After a time, the wife will usually go back and forth between Taiwan and China.

My advice to you is to ask your wife to come back to China with you. This way she will not think that you have something on the side. Then after a time, she will get bored and finally return to Taiwan to work. You will then go back to Taiwan whenever you have time to see her. You will of course have a girl friend about a week after she decided to move back to Taiwan. You, lucky guy will have the best of both world.

Do not ask her to stay in Taiwan, this is very important. If you do then she will stay with you in China thinking that you have a girl friend there. Just support her in her decision (not much you can do about it anyway), she will move back because it is just too different a life style in China vs Taiwan.

Wait and the good life will come to you.

[One Wing Low]

Most of them are just too lazy to cook and clean.

They feel their men should pay for the good life.

They just want to go out to eat the best food, go clubbing, then go home to bed where the men are expected to perform like porn stars...

I found women are mostly the same, Asians, Americans or Europeans.... unless you wanna romance a few nuns...hehehe

BTW if you are good looking and good fuckers, or if you have lots of money, the women would stick to you like leeches. Cant get rid of them.


Perhaps I'm a little too traditional. Back in the old days, it was considered normal for a girl to be able to cook. Also, some of them actually enjoyed cooking. There's an old saying, "the way to a man's heart is through his stomach." not saying they should cook every day, but if they don't do it at all, it just feels like something's missing. I'm perfectly happy to contribute in other ways, like, if we go out to eat, I provide the car, drive it, pay for the meal, etc.

I just think it's sad if women no longer enjoy cooking as a creative activity and a way to contribute to a relationship. Perhaps I'm too old-fashioned.

[Santa]

Chinese girls don't cook.

it was considered normal for a girl to be able to cook. Also, some of them actually enjoyed cooking. .

I think chinese girls now regard cooking as low income labor, or peasant's work. Successful women do not cook! Just like Hillary Clinton would say "I could have stayed at home and made cookies".

[Phil1980]

I think chinese girls now regard cooking as low income labor, or peasant's work. Successful women do not cook!



The thing is also, in case you marry a Chinese princess and take her back to a Western country, unless you are a high-income guy or enjoy eating junk at fast food joints you probably won't be able to afford to take her to a restaurant three times a day, since restaurant prices in most Western countries aren't comparable to those in China. The same way fulltime maids for cleaning, washing clothes etc. in Western countries don't earn 100 USD a month.

So she will have to learn to cook, clean and wash clothes and probably that will be the first chip on her shoulder leading to divorce.

Maybe this whole problem is related to the one-child policy. Formerly in Chinese families if the parents had six children, the boys were treated like princelings, while the girls were regarded as excess baggage to be married off, so they learned about their roles and value from an early age on. This has really changed since the one-child policy.

[Kunshan]

Phil19080,

I think your comment about Chinese girls once they are in the west is a very correct one. I have seen some really sad cases of western guys dragging a really sexy Chinese girl around supermarkets in the west, the girl obviously doesn't give a shit about cooking, but the guy needs to eat,,and like you said they (sorry, he) can't afford to pay for meals outside all the time.

I wouldn't say all these cases lead to divorce,,but most likely the majority would. Chinese girls who have good jobs or have wealthy men do not cook or clean, the current generation are completely looked after by their parents and don't know any household skills.

If people are looking at finding a wife in China then they look closely at this aspect.

But if people are planning to stay in China then this is not an issue.

[Tile Man4]

Phil19080,

I think your comment about Chinese girls once they are in the west is a very correct one. I have seen some really sad cases of western guys dragging a really sexy Chinese girl around supermarkets in the west, the girl obviously doesn't give a shit about cooking, but the guy needs to eat,,and like you said they (sorry, he) can't afford to pay for meals outside all the time.

I wouldn't say all these cases lead to divorce,,but most likely the majority would. Chinese girls who have good jobs or have wealthy men do not cook or clean, the current generation are completely looked after by their parents and don't know any household skills.

If people are looking at finding a wife in China then they look closely at this aspect.

But if people are planning to stay in China then this is not an issue.

My good Chinese woman friend came here about 2 years ago and she wants to go back to China. Her hubby has a good job , money and so on , but she wants out. Her problem is that he always works and never does give her much time. She also told me that she has 9 other Chinese women who came to USA and UK and they all want out.

What they all can't believe is how hard we work in the west and how little time we have for them. I have Doctors and Lawyers on my street and none of us have maids and cooks. I visit many Chinese restaurant and they also seem to work their asses off. This is life in the west.

This is why China got rid of the Lenin Communist system . You grow the rice , someone else chickens and I sit on my ass. It just does not work. Welcome to capitalism China. You have to work your asses off to make it here. I agree with this post , I will NEVER bring a Chinese woman to the USA , I will live in China.

Chinese women must watch too much Western TV , I just don't where they they get this western fantasy of the rich and famous life style.

Take care

tile man

[OldAsiaHand]

Whether a Chinese woman cooks depends on where they come from. It is commonly known that Chaozhou and Kejia (sp?) women make the best wives in this respect. The latter's tradition is to cook and wait until the man has eaten before even eating herself.

Having said that, modernization has affected traditional values, even in China. And, the affordable domestic labor available in Asia has spoiled many women. It just doesn't make sense to cook or clean when you only pay $100 per month for it.

When some Asian women get to the western world and realize they have to work both in and out of the home, it is a rude awakening.

Frankly, I fear that this could be the end of my relationship if I ever took my wife to the states. This is one of secondary reasons (mongering being #1), that I've stayed in Asia so long. I have become very lazy when it comes to domestic work, as has my wife. I could never afford the same luxury in the USA.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Santa]

If you are looking for a wife, especially for one who will cook and clean, maybe the Philippines is a better option.

There are two types of men, those who are looking for wives and those who are hiding from them.

[Tile Man4]

Whether a Chinese woman cooks depends on where they come from. It is commonly known that Chaozhou and Kejia (sp?) women make the best wives in this respect. The latter's tradition is to cook and wait until the man has eaten before even eating herself.

Having said that, modernization has affected traditional values, even in China. And, the affordable domestic labor available in Asia has spoiled many women. It just doesn't make sense to cook or clean when you only pay $100 per month for it.

When some Asian women get to the western world and realize they have to work both in and out of the home, it is a rude awakening.

Frankly, I fear that this could be the end of my relationship if I ever took my wife to the states. This is one of secondary reasons (mongering being #1), that I've stayed in Asia so long. I have become very lazy when it comes to domestic work, as has my wife. I could never afford the same luxury in the USA.

Just my POV.

OAH

A maid in a Chinese family can be dangerous. I'm not talking about a single man or woman having a maid in China. The danger is........ The maid can be a poor man's (ernai , second wife) . This can create some big problems with the wife. I was told by my woman not to talk to the maid or look into her eyes. I told my woman........ no fucking way , if you don't like her being around and your jealous that I may pop her then........ get rid of her. I was friendly to our maid becuase she is part of the family. We all live , eat and shit together.

The maid was there for our / her little girl and other duties around the house. I was not impressed with the way my woman treated this 19 year old girl. I felt she was cruel at times and treated the maid like a slave. Men observe this shit because we always feel that we can be the next one treated the same.

I was also told by my woman that some maids are brought into the home to releive the sexual pressure off the wife and given to the maid. This keeps everyone in the family happy. I may have to travel to the two places you above mentioned OAH. It really gets a little crazy in China with some of the shit that I have seen , heard and experienced. Its quite a country.

Be safe and take care

tile man

[Night Cat]

If you are looking for a wife, especially for one who will cook and clean, maybe the Philippines is a better option.

There are two types of men, those who are looking for wives and those who are hiding from them.Perhaps I'm in some third category, I neither have nor seek a wife. Actually, my question is not about having food prepared on a day-to-day basis. I know this problem can be solved by eating out a lot, hiring an ayi, or learning to cook myself. The issue is, I just think it would be a nice added touch if a girlfriend would cook once a while, even if only once in a week, or once a month for that matter, not as a "service" to perform, but as a gesture of caring, or just because she enjoys it.

In any case, I appreciate the responses, they seem to confirm that this kind of girl is rare.

[Old Mean Dog]

A maid in a Chinese family can be dangerous. I'm not talking about a single man or woman having a maid in China. The danger is........ The maid can be a poor man's (ernai , second wife) . This can create some big problems with the wife. I was told by my woman not to talk to the maid or look into her eyes. I told my woman........ no fucking way , if you don't like her being around and your jealous that I may pop her then........ get rid of her. I was friendly to our maid becuase she is part of the family. We all live , eat and shit together.

The maid was there for our / her little girl and other duties around the house. I was not impressed with the way my woman treated this 19 year old girl. I felt she was cruel at times and treated the maid like a slave. Men observe this shit because we always feel that we can be the next one treated the same.

I was also told by my woman that some maids are brought into the home to releive the sexual pressure off the wife and given to the maid. This keeps everyone in the family happy. I may have to travel to the two places you above mentioned OAH. It really gets a little crazy in China with some of the shit that I have seen , heard and experienced. Its quite a country.

Be safe and take care

tile man

Even for a single guy here, I had an old maid in Shenzhen who was a fantastic cook and cleaner. When I moved to Dongguan and went to an agency, they sent me a 23 year old cute girl who could speak a little English, but she was pure shit at cleaning and cooking, so I canned her. I went back to the agency and demanded the oldest, ugliest maid they had and now I am happy again in my nice clean apartment, with a belly full of good food, wearing my nicely ironed clothes.

-CPE

[One Wing Low]

If she gives you a couple good fucks everyday, she may be worth the money!

Can you hire young, pretty girls who would have sex regularly for a fixed monthly salary?


When I moved to Dongguan and went to an agency, they sent me a 23 year old cute girl who could speak a little English, but she was pure shit at cleaning and cooking,

-CPE

[Csun213]

The problem with bring a Chinese Wife back to the U.S. or U.K. is that they will be bored. You could not possible spend the same amount of time with her that you did when you were in China. If you don't have a big Chinese community then she will not make a lot of friends. This is why the Chinese girls like the ABC who lives in CA a lot better. We have a big Chinese community, Chinese newspapers, Chinese policemen and 24 hour Chinese cable programs.

If you are a White American who does not speak much Chinese, if She does not speak much English, you live in the mid east part of the U.S. with very few Chinese people then you have to work a lot harder to make sure that she is happy otherwise she will get home sick.

[Tile Man4]

If she gives you a couple good fucks everyday, she may be worth the money!

Can you hire young, pretty girls who would have sex regularly for a fixed monthly salary?

The answer is YES . You can have the poor mans maid ( "ernai" second wife for sex) for about 1000 to 1500 rmb in Guangzhou and about 800 rmb in Nanning. Just remember what SZE said , you will probally fall short on the cleaning , cooking and keeping your clothes clean.

Is your call , the young one who can't cook and clean OR the old ugly one who will do all the housework for you. Oh , and trust me , the "ernai" will ask or try to con you for a raise after two weeks if you fuck her too much.

Good luck

tile man